| 00:00.04 | bleaked | Guerin.. well, i did not.. |
| 00:00.12 | Guerin | !anyone use aircrack in deb? |
| 00:00.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses aircrack in deb, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:00.18 | nostur | eh\ |
| 00:00.21 | MrBallZ | Guerin: hahaha :) |
| 00:00.23 | Guerin | bleaked: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 00:00.29 | ox | how do I start a debian apache install with the -X flag? /usr/sbin/apache -X? |
| 00:00.37 | nostur | yea, remove kde, gnome rox |
| 00:00.56 | Lyrical | can anybody say to me .. how can i format my hdd under knoppix ? |
| 00:01.10 | Guerin | ox: there is probably a file in /etc/default/ |
| 00:01.11 | sky0 | bad idea |
| 00:01.28 | Guerin | ox: else you can start the thing directly with apachectl |
| 00:01.40 | Guerin | Lyrical: why would you? |
| 00:01.47 | nostur | oh phuk, i forget to update t kernel 2.6 |
| 00:02.04 | nostur | oh damn |
| 00:02.30 | ox | Guerin, I usually do use apachectl, but I want to use apache::DB to debug this PITA script that hangs |
| 00:02.39 | ox | apachectl -X? |
| 00:02.53 | ox | nope |
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| 00:03.03 | Guerin | ox: read the help - on debian you should usually use /etc/init.d/apache |
| 00:03.04 | extr3m | any ideas on how to install wxPython under debian? |
| 00:03.18 | Lyrical | i must |
| 00:03.28 | zOrK | !anyone use windows? |
| 00:03.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses windows, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:03.33 | Guerin | extr3m: aptitude search wxpython |
| 00:03.35 | Lyrical | have anyone the command for it ? |
| 00:03.35 | zOrK | ahaha |
| 00:03.40 | Guerin | windows uses them |
| 00:03.42 | rulesnut | apachectl graceful |
| 00:03.50 | aeronadix | how do you start the ftpd, or where is it installed? |
| 00:04.00 | Guerin | aeronadix: rtfm |
| 00:04.06 | Guerin | !helpfile ftpd |
| 00:04.06 | dpkg | For help with ftpd, look in /usr/share/doc/ftpd There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 00:04.07 | nostur | fbi: can u tell me way to set up the /dev/psaux to use the touchpad? or some cmd to ask dpkg |
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| 00:04.15 | zOrK | extr3m apt-cache search wxpython |
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| 00:04.40 | Lilldude10 | does any one run netscape on linux? |
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| 00:04.58 | Lilldude10 | debian sarge |
| 00:05.02 | pureone | can you even get netscape for linux? |
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| 00:05.24 | Guerin | Lilldude10: nobody with half a clue |
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| 00:05.30 | Lilldude10 | ok |
| 00:05.34 | Guerin | pureone: yes, but nobody uses it, because it's shit |
| 00:05.34 | Lilldude10 | just saw it |
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| 00:05.52 | pureone | :) |
| 00:06.05 | pureone | last time i looked on the site i couldnt see a linux client only windows |
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| 00:07.12 | sky0 | Lyrical: you want "fdisk" (partition) or "mkfs.*" (format); but you aren't asking the question in the right way; |
| 00:07.24 | thingfish | you want netscape? That's...like saying you wear polyester. |
| 00:07.25 | numbercrusher | wie kann ich mit gcc die test.cpp von der crypto++ lib compelieren? |
| 00:07.34 | thingfish | !de |
| 00:07.34 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 00:07.35 | dsl673 | which Debian distribution should I install to ensure compatibility with most Linux distributions when I compile my programs? |
| 00:07.38 | numbercrusher | sry. wrong channel |
| 00:07.42 | numbercrusher | thx |
| 00:07.57 | thingfish | ;) |
| 00:08.05 | aeronadix | there is some serious problem in my system, cause I installed ftpd, and I don't have the command available to me |
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| 00:08.44 | sky0 | aeronadix: ftpd is not a 'command'; you want an ftp client program? |
| 00:09.32 | aeronadix | yeah, but I remember, the last time I did it, I installed ftpd, then I started ftpd |
| 00:09.51 | Caelum | does netscape still exist? |
| 00:09.53 | magyar | ahoy |
| 00:10.01 | sky0 | you want an ftp-daemon (server) or a client? |
| 00:10.02 | abrotman | Caelum: for what ? |
| 00:10.07 | thingfish | in some back room somewhere, yes. |
| 00:10.16 | abrotman | Caelum: netscape still distributes a browser .. and has an ISP |
| 00:10.32 | magyar | is there a way to read a usb "flash-disk" pluged in to a usb "flash-disk" readrer? |
| 00:10.46 | aeronadix | ftp-daemon server |
| 00:10.48 | Caelum | abrotman: I remember they had a bastardized apache server called netscape server too |
| 00:11.09 | abrotman | Caelum: uhm .. yeah .. people still use it .. but i don't think they sell it anymore |
| 00:11.19 | sky0 | aeronadix: I you starting the ftpd as root? have you tried /usr/sbin/ftpd ? |
| 00:11.20 | Caelum | magyar: try modprobe usb-storage ? |
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| 00:12.27 | Guerin | aeronadix: rtfm |
| 00:12.33 | Guerin | aeronadix: i already told you |
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| 00:12.58 | Guerin | aeronadix: you will kick yourself when you realise the fucking ftpd is already running |
| 00:13.02 | magyar | Caelum, lsmod shows "usb_storage 83776 0 |
| 00:13.02 | magyar | ide_core 150968 7 ide_generic,ide_disk,ide_cd,usb_storage,it821x,generic,piix" |
| 00:13.11 | Guerin | either that or, god willing, someone else will kick you |
| 00:13.32 | aeronadix | whats rtfm? |
| 00:13.53 | shadowarts | i am having trouble getting my NIC working (intel prol/100), DHCP and static ip configurations fail, it is plugged in |
| 00:13.56 | aeronadix | I tried /etc/init.d/ftpd but its not there |
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| 00:14.27 | shadowarts | aeronadix: which ftp server? |
| 00:14.34 | aeronadix | ftpd or ftpd-ssl |
| 00:15.04 | shadowarts | i ahve no clue which one that is... |
| 00:15.35 | aeronadix | its the one on debian |
| 00:15.44 | Guerin | !helpfile ftpd |
| 00:15.44 | dpkg | For help with ftpd, look in /usr/share/doc/ftpd There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
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| 00:15.52 | aeronadix | netkit |
| 00:15.57 | Guerin | aeronadix: see above ^ |
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| 00:16.30 | aeronadix | I am just gonna try wu-ftpd |
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| 00:16.45 | aeronadix | I looked in the directory, it just talks about compile |
| 00:16.47 | somakoma | aeronadix: vsftp is very nice, too |
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| 00:17.00 | Caelum | magyar: try mounting /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 00:17.29 | Guerin | aeronadix: ok, let me spell it out for you: ftpd is run from inetd. You don't have to start it. |
| 00:17.43 | Guerin | !tell zOrK about away |
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| 00:18.57 | soymilk | anyone know of a substitue for /usr/bin/mail that accepts smtp host as argument? |
| 00:18.59 | bleaked | Guerin.. ok, well, if i remove kdelibs3 & 4, and re-install, will i loose my themes, window settings, kicker settings, etc? |
| 00:19.01 | magyar | Caelum, i have already sda harddrive also sdb. When o do "fdisk -l" it doesnt show up. I wonder if linux recongnizes the "card reader" on the side of my monitor |
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| 00:19.31 | Guerin | bleaked: huh, if you're running kde, why do you care about kpdf's deps? |
| 00:19.32 | shadowarts | dhclient eth0 wont assign me an ip |
| 00:20.16 | aeronadix | ok, well when I try to access it from mozilla I get 530 login incorrect error |
| 00:20.19 | Caelum | magyar: try looking through dmesg |
| 00:21.06 | Guerin | aeronadix: you want to configure it |
| 00:21.06 | bleaked | Guerin.. well, i only had kdebase installed, with a few apps, installing kpdf brought in kopete, arts, kdegraphics, etc, etc..and i dont need a lot of that. |
| 00:21.26 | Guerin | bleaked: gah, kde is hella broken |
| 00:21.28 | Caelum | if I did apt-key add /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg but I still get packages cannot be authenticated messages for sid packages, is that normal? |
| 00:21.54 | resiak | Caelum: /msg dpkg apt secure ? |
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| 00:22.45 | stu7 | oops... not IS... "if" older debian packages still work in Sarge ? |
| 00:22.47 | Caelum | that's what it says... |
| 00:22.52 | aeronadix | Man, this ftpd was so simply the first time I did it, now its gotton complicated |
| 00:22.58 | resiak | Caelum: Okay, okay :) |
| 00:23.11 | aeronadix | before I just installed apt-get install, and it was working |
| 00:23.26 | Guerin | !be a ftpd barbie |
| 00:23.26 | dpkg | Aww, ftpd is hard! Let's go shopping, guerin |
| 00:23.28 | mrnull | OK.. this is weird. Alsaconf modifies my modules.conf correctly, but I have to re-run it every time I want to have sound in Gnome. Is the startup order out of whack or something? How can I make gdm not start automatically? |
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| 00:23.59 | stu7 | mrnull...use xdm ? :) |
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| 00:24.19 | rendi | hi what command to copy dir |
| 00:24.25 | nopplop | !seen LightVision |
| 00:24.25 | dpkg | lightvision <n=light@003.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 49d 22h 21m 54s ago, saying: 'bucky: great :)'. |
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| 00:25.38 | flamethrower | Ok, needing help |
| 00:25.47 | flamethrower | On every kernel I compile, I get this error when booting it |
| 00:26.05 | flamethrower | VFS: Cannot open root device "sda3" or unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 00:26.22 | resiak | Why are you compiling a kernel? /msg dpkg dr and read the bit on compiling your own kernel. build your hdd modules into the kernel or use an initrd. HTH HAND |
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| 00:26.44 | Caelum | rendi: cp -a |
| 00:26.48 | flamethrower | The kernel images I've gotten from apt have used initrd's. How would I set one up? |
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| 00:27.03 | Guerin | !seen mwilson |
| 00:27.03 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 49d 3h 20m 40s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 00:27.17 | Caelum | flamethrower: make-kpkg --initrd ... |
| 00:27.32 | flamethrower | Thx. Caelum, I'm a linux noob. |
| 00:27.38 | nopplop | !seen candle |
| 00:27.38 | dpkg | candle <i=lisa@067.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 60d 22h 27m 6s ago, saying: 'stew: hello'. |
| 00:27.55 | soymilk | anyone know how to specify an smtp host to /usr/bin/mail ? |
| 00:28.26 | stu7 | ...so... a woody package... will run on Sarge somehow ? |
| 00:28.35 | flamethrower | Make: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
| 00:28.57 | flamethrower | That's what I get when trying make-kpkg --initrd |
| 00:29.19 | Guerin | !tell flamethrower about kp mantra |
| 00:29.22 | shadowarts | e100: 503 serial component detected which cannot autonegotiate <- how can i fix this? |
| 00:29.37 | flamethrower | Ok, what the heck does all of that do, Guerin? |
| 00:29.40 | sky0 | soymilk: I don't think /usr/bin/mail speaks smtp; but relies on a local mta. I could be wrong, though. |
| 00:29.48 | Guerin | flamethrower: it builds a damn kernel |
| 00:30.02 | flamethrower | That's what it looked like :s |
| 00:30.04 | resiak | soymilk: You should probably reconfigure your MTA. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # unless you replaced exim4 with something else |
| 00:30.14 | resiak | flamethrower: /msg dpkg kp, read the chapter on building a kernel |
| 00:30.17 | soymilk | resiak: why? |
| 00:30.20 | resiak | flamethrower: Why are you building your own, anyway? |
| 00:30.22 | mrnull | How can I disable gnome from starting automatically at login? |
| 00:30.31 | resiak | soymilk: Because /usr/bin/mail uses your MTA to send mail |
| 00:30.36 | azeem | mrnull: choose another session |
| 00:30.52 | flamethrower | resiak: This will sound stupid, but so my SoundBlaster Live! LS will work. |
| 00:31.03 | mrnull | azeem: it's a startup issue. I think it's blocking alsa somehow |
| 00:31.04 | soymilk | resiak: but the MTA isn't broken. i will figurue out another way to do it... |
| 00:31.07 | Guerin | !onboard |
| 00:31.07 | dpkg | All onboard sound, video, raid, network and modem cards suck great big donkey balls, and there's nothing you can do about it. unless your time is worth nothing, give up and buy a real card. This goes triple for raid. see tardware |
| 00:31.16 | resiak | flamethrower: Are you sure that the appropriate version of the kernel is not already built by Debian? |
| 00:31.16 | azeem | mrnull: really? |
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| 00:31.39 | flamethrower | Guerin: That is one annoying factoid, and not entirely appropriate. |
| 00:31.42 | resiak | soymilk: But the MTA _is_ broken if mail(1) doesn't work. |
| 00:31.44 | nopplop | !seen abrotman |
| 00:31.45 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (1h 3m 29s). Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 20m 35s |
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| 00:31.53 | soymilk | resiak: did i say mail doesn't work? |
| 00:31.58 | mrnull | azeem: I guess I can see if choosing another session solves the problem. |
| 00:31.59 | abrotman | what?! |
| 00:32.02 | nostur | !seen phuking lames |
| 00:32.03 | dpkg | nostur: i haven't seen 'phuking lames' |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | nopplop: ? |
| 00:32.04 | Guerin | flamethrower: no, really. If you just go and spend $10 on a real sound card, it'd Just Work. |
| 00:32.07 | nostur | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.21 | resiak | soymilk: Ohhhhhhh.... Sorry, I can't read. My bad. I think you need to use a different program than mail, then. |
| 00:32.26 | mrnull | It's strange, but I know my modules.conf loads my soundcard correctly. Regardless, I have to run alsaconf after every boot. Any ideas? |
| 00:32.33 | resiak | soymilk: Incidentally, (your nick)++ |
| 00:32.36 | flamethrower | resiak: To be honest, I've heard many different views on it. This kernel (2.6.8) SHOULD work with it, but snd-emu10k1 does not detect it, as ca0106 is needed, but I can't compile ALSA. |
| 00:32.41 | nostur | !seen good government |
| 00:32.41 | dpkg | nostur: i haven't seen 'good government' |
| 00:32.46 | flamethrower | Guerin: I'm VERY strapped on cash. |
| 00:32.47 | nostur | :)) |
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| 00:33.07 | abrotman | nostur: STOP |
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| 00:33.14 | soymilk | resiak: i think i can write a wrapper to nbsmtp to make it behave like mail |
| 00:33.25 | resiak | soymilk: Almost certainly, but someone _must_ have done it before. |
| 00:33.32 | sky0 | soymilk: you can use telnet/netcat and speak smtp directly? |
| 00:33.40 | resiak | *bamf* |
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| 00:33.54 | nostur | abrotman: ok, sorry, i just couldn't resist :) |
| 00:34.03 | soymilk | sky0: i know how... |
| 00:34.35 | sky0 | soymilk: then why not do that; or do you want to use it from scripts? |
| 00:35.04 | fbi | i feel the need. the need. for. weed. |
| 00:35.09 | fbi | !weed me |
| 00:35.14 | fbi | dpkg: jerk |
| 00:35.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jerk is someone who needs something to do. |
| 00:35.21 | Caelum | I'm an idiot, you have to apt-get update for keys added to apt to work |
| 00:35.55 | nopplop | !fbi |
| 00:35.55 | dpkg | [fbi] the Federal Bureau of Investigation, or the frame buffer image viewer |
| 00:36.09 | soymilk | sky0: it has to work with this semi-brain-dead script someone else wrote, and must behave like mail |
| 00:37.38 | nostur | gn all |
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| 00:37.51 | ghostys | how do you check what modules are loaded? |
| 00:38.03 | Guerin | ghostys: lsmod |
| 00:38.07 | sky0 | soymilk: and speak to one dedicated remote smtp; can port forward/proxy to the target? |
| 00:38.08 | ghostys | i'm trying to see if my broadcom gigabit network modules is already loaded so i can setup eth1 and eth2 |
| 00:38.10 | ghostys | ta |
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| 00:39.47 | ghostys | hmmmm does anyone know what the broadcom gigabit module is called ? |
| 00:39.50 | ghostys | lol |
| 00:39.59 | nopplop | I don't like mondays |
| 00:40.14 | karsten | ghostys: tg3 IIRC. For Taigon. |
| 00:40.32 | flamethrower | Ok, I got about 30,000 errors to start off the kernel creation according to Guerin's way, but it seems to be going along fine now... |
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| 00:41.20 | karsten | ghostys: Um. "Tigon". |
| 00:41.29 | aeronadix | how do you configure ftpd? |
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| 00:42.47 | stu7 | is this monday... oh... yes :) |
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| 00:43.01 | flamethrower | Does anyone have any idea at all how I can set up alsa to use snd-emu10k1 instead of ca0106 |
| 00:43.32 | fbi | flamethrower: alsaconf && alsamixer |
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| 00:45.00 | x_or | I am interested in installing Debian on a very old linux system (Suse 6.3) using chroot and debootstrap. Does anyone have a good guide on this? I found one for Ubuntu, but I think I would prefer to use Debian. |
| 00:45.00 | ghostys | so it's called tg3 ? |
| 00:45.03 | karsten | ghostys: 'tg3' per some list posts I've got, should correspond to 'tigon3' appearing in 'lspci' output. |
| 00:45.06 | karsten | ghostys: Might be. |
| 00:45.09 | karsten | ghostys: Try it. |
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| 00:45.24 | Luis_ | hello |
| 00:45.26 | flamethrower | fbi: doesn't work. alsaconf closes all sound modules then searches for a sound card, and naturally since it requires ca0106 (a non-default ALSA module) to be detected, alsaconf finds nothing. |
| 00:45.33 | karsten | ghostys: ... and if the Magic Smoke escapes, I'll fax you your dollar back. |
| 00:45.35 | ghostys | lscpi gives me |
| 00:45.39 | ghostys | 0000:02:09.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) |
| 00:45.39 | ghostys | 0000:02:09.1 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) |
| 00:45.51 | fbi | flamethrower: then the snd-emu10k1 driver is not the one you need. |
| 00:46.14 | flamethrower | I know that, fbi. I asked how to get snd-ca0106 on there and set up. |
| 00:46.32 | fbi | flamethrower: you need a kernel from etch that has the driver built in. |
| 00:46.40 | soymilk | tg3 |
| 00:46.45 | nopplop | when einstein was a little kid he cries for milk - now we crie for einstein - |
| 00:46.56 | Guerin | fbi: the recent debian kernels all need yaird, which ain't in sarge |
| 00:47.06 | fbi | Guerin: eh? |
| 00:47.07 | karsten | ghostys: Best of my knowledge, yes. Googling that output, BTW, should provide useful results. |
| 00:47.14 | fbi | i thought we were talking about alsa drivers |
| 00:47.18 | flamethrower | So did I... |
| 00:47.26 | fbi | that alsa driver he needs isn't in sarge's 2.6 kernel |
| 00:47.37 | fbi | it's in etch's 2.6.12 |
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| 00:47.52 | Guerin | 2.6.12 is still in etch? ok, use that, then. |
| 00:47.53 | flamethrower | That's why I was trying to compile one from 2.6.14.3 |
| 00:48.00 | Lorian | I am trying to use tail to update only when something changes with dmesg.. I have tried tail -f, but it isn't working as expected... can anyone give me some pointers? |
| 00:48.08 | Guerin | fbi: just use the one in etc, as I already told you to |
| 00:48.10 | Guerin | flamethrower: |
| 00:48.20 | fbi | !stupidnickcomplete Guerin |
| 00:48.25 | Guerin | flamethrower: we went through this all yesterday, what 's so hard about it? |
| 00:48.27 | fbi | dammit |
| 00:48.30 | fbi | what's that trigger |
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| 00:48.50 | flamethrower | Guerin, that was right before school, where I had numerous tests and just about forgot everything before lunch. |
| 00:49.04 | Guerin | fbi: Lorian tail -f needs an actual file, not a script which cats a file |
| 00:49.12 | mtupper | i should change my handle to newbie_retard! i cant get into proftpd, I got it up and running, but cant login. where and the hell is the proftpd install directory where I would be able to find ~/README.pam ??? |
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| 00:49.18 | Guerin | Lorian: so tail -f /var/log/dmesg is probably what you want |
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| 00:49.38 | nopplop | I like einstein and his tongue - what tell its so? |
| 00:49.39 | Lorian | Guerin, ahh ok, thanks a lot. that's what I needed :) |
| 00:50.00 | flamethrower | So, will compiling a kernel your way work for ca0106? |
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| 00:50.18 | Guerin | flamethrower: you can probably just install the 2.6.12 package from etch |
| 00:50.36 | flamethrower | Etch is testing, isn't it? I thought that wasn't stable :S |
| 00:50.49 | nopplop | einstein build a family and tell us a fuckin hell good christmas - |
| 00:50.57 | Guerin | flamethrower: it's not, but it might work anyway |
| 00:51.14 | sifi | how do I replace all underscore in multiple filenames? |
| 00:51.18 | Guerin | nopplop: please refrain from ircing while drunk |
| 00:51.23 | fbi | haha |
| 00:51.26 | Guerin | sifi: man rename |
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| 00:51.27 | flamethrower | Burnt |
| 00:51.33 | fbi | !confuse nopplop |
| 00:51.33 | dpkg | Yes, what is their badger yesterday, nopplop? wellies of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 00:51.48 | flamethrower | Wow, that confused me, and I'm sober |
| 00:51.56 | flamethrower | Guerin, if that doesn't work, will I need to compile a kernel? |
| 00:52.04 | Guerin | flamethrower: probably |
| 00:52.12 | flamethrower | Alright. Gonna give it a shot. |
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| 00:52.38 | ghostys | ok so how to up load this tg3 module ? |
| 00:53.05 | mtupper | anyone? proftpd std user logins? |
| 00:53.54 | SimonRaven | !test |
| 00:53.54 | dpkg | Yes, simonraven, you're still online. |
| 00:53.57 | nopplop | Guerin: lonely hearts ircing any time at any place |
| 00:54.00 | SimonRaven | w00t |
| 00:54.04 | Tortel | !test |
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| 00:54.05 | Guerin | mtupper: you're stupid if you do, anyway |
| 00:54.16 | Tortel | !test |
| 00:54.16 | dpkg | Yes, tortel, you're still online. |
| 00:54.20 | Tortel | YaY! |
| 00:54.29 | sky0 | x_or: you normally need a debian system to use debootstrap; I don't know if the cd-rom installer is capable of any tricks; you can try to fetch deboostrap manually, but this breaks if your system libs are too different (http://www.starshine.org/SysadMoin/DebootstrapInstallation) |
| 00:54.33 | SimonRaven | i was worried the ppp upgrade would fuck things up |
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| 00:54.55 | Guerin | !ftp |
| 00:54.55 | dpkg | [ftp] (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 00:55.15 | rabih | hi for all |
| 00:55.22 | fbi | hi2u! |
| 00:55.25 | ghostys | lsmod gives me ; tg3 65312 0 |
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| 00:55.36 | Guerin | ghostys: then it's loaded |
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| 00:55.47 | wang | does kde typically run better/cleaner than gnome? |
| 00:55.48 | flamethrower | Hey that ain't funny |
| 00:55.55 | rabih | any body has an idea |
| 00:55.57 | Guerin | wang: not really |
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| 00:55.58 | flamethrower | My box gettin pwn3d on windows/zonealarm is why I'm on linux |
| 00:55.59 | ghostys | firmware_class 10880 1 tg3 |
| 00:56.10 | rabih | how can I use root on ubuntu |
| 00:56.17 | Guerin | rabih: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:56.20 | SimonRaven | #ubuntu |
| 00:56.22 | flamethrower | Guerin, you beat me to it |
| 00:56.27 | flamethrower | You should add a factoid for that |
| 00:56.30 | Guerin | i beat EVERYONE |
| 00:56.37 | fbi | !ubuntu |
| 00:56.37 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 00:56.37 | ghostys | guerin: so all i need to do is bind an address to each card now and that's lsmod will list a device using the tg3 module ? |
| 00:56.37 | Guerin | flamethrower: they are legion |
| 00:56.40 | flamethrower | Ok or there is one.. |
| 00:56.45 | rabih | yes |
| 00:57.02 | rabih | soooo |
| 00:57.11 | Guerin | ghostys: i have no idea what you're trying to do, but your module is loaded, and you now need to read man interfaces |
| 00:57.25 | SimonRaven | o_O |
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| 00:57.45 | flamethrower | B&W manual pages... delicious |
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| 00:58.21 | fbi | rabih: /j #ubuntu |
| 00:58.29 | Alumni | Does Debian will give 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 00:58.33 | nopplop | Guerin: you're not my savior there mutch better nodes... |
| 00:58.37 | Guerin | Alumni: in unstable, only |
| 00:58.40 | SimonRaven | vman () { /usr/bin/man "$*" | col -b | /usr/bin/view -c "set ft=man nomod nolist" - } |
| 00:58.47 | tonix | hy guys, is there a way out there to connect to an ssh server with the password directyly from the command line? |
| 00:58.51 | SimonRaven | colour man pages |
| 00:58.54 | Guerin | tonix: no |
| 00:58.57 | rabih | ok I try |
| 00:59.05 | tonix | i mean something like this: ssh user@host --password=password |
| 00:59.06 | Guerin | tonix: /msg dpkg ssh without password |
| 00:59.13 | flamethrower | Guerin, will I be able to make an initrd if I use yaird? I'm reading up on it now, it looks like I'll have to get it off an unstable source |
| 00:59.18 | tonix | tahnks Guerin |
| 00:59.21 | Guerin | tonix: because that's not insecure at all |
| 00:59.37 | Guerin | flamethrower: i know nothing about yaird |
| 00:59.41 | Alumni | Does Debian will give 2.6.14 exception unstable? |
| 00:59.51 | tonix | Guerin: yes i know, but i need to initiate an ssh connection to do a reverse ssh |
| 00:59.51 | Guerin | Alumni: no. |
| 00:59.58 | flamethrower | Knowing english is good, Alumni... |
| 00:59.58 | Fluten | how do i find out if a piece of hardware is supported by linux before i buy it? |
| 01:00.10 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 01:00.10 | dpkg | i guess hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel |
| 01:00.14 | flamethrower | Fluten: Ask people. Most lists are incomplete or partially inaccurate. |
| 01:00.16 | mtupper | Guerin: thanks for the input. But I was thinking of using it this way for just for a couple of hours. So here's another rookie question: where is the anonymous FTP directory? |
| 01:00.19 | Guerin | Fluten: ^ |
| 01:00.28 | Alumni | flamethrower: I knowing english yes I am |
| 01:00.37 | Guerin | mtupper: wherever you configure it to be |
| 01:00.44 | flamethrower | You know english like I know spanish, and I'm only in Spanish I |
| 01:00.49 | Alumni | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.57 | flamethrower | Not very well. |
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| 01:01.11 | Gnea | Fluten: i'm willing to bet that your mr. coffee coffee maker is not natively supported |
| 01:01.15 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:01.22 | mtupper | Guerin, right. so the default proftpd? I have read it over a couple of times and cant seem to decipher... |
| 01:01.27 | flamethrower | Holy jesus nipples... |
| 01:01.32 | Guerin | mtupper: then use a simpler ftpd |
| 01:01.35 | flamethrower | nvidia-kernel-2.6.14.3-12-216-115-159_1.0.7174-3+20051205_i386.deb <-- this was also made by guerin's method |
| 01:01.37 | Guerin | mtupper: like vsftpd |
| 01:02.23 | Alumni | flamethrower: Watch box of side to find Linux |
| 01:02.27 | mtupper | Guerin, thats what I was thinking of doing, I got that one up and used it without any dramas. somebody recommended I try proftpd. |
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| 01:02.30 | nopplop | !seen cia |
| 01:02.31 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'cia', nopplop |
| 01:02.31 | Fluten | my reset button also isn't supported :) |
| 01:02.33 | flamethrower | Ok, now how would I go about installing these? dpkg -i (kernel) ; dpkg -i (nvidia-kernel)? |
| 01:02.40 | Alumni | flamethrower: grep for Linux |
| 01:02.45 | Gnea | flamethrower: versions of versions that have a version.. nothing new |
| 01:02.57 | Fluten | i used w2k and xp for 2 years before going to linux, and there are lots of pen and pencil marks from where i missed the reset button |
| 01:03.07 | Alumni | Err, Fluten grep for linux with box side |
| 01:03.18 | Guerin | flamethrower: get your kernel installed and sound working before you think about nvidia |
| 01:03.25 | flamethrower | Rgr. |
| 01:03.29 | flamethrower | Installing now. |
| 01:03.49 | Alumni | I English am learning. |
| 01:03.59 | eBug | flamethrower where are u from ? |
| 01:04.16 | Guerin | eBug: u is from Alphabetland |
| 01:04.23 | nopplop | dpkg haven't seen cia - hm |
| 01:04.24 | Guerin | near t and v |
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| 01:04.46 | eBug | Guerin me Europe |
| 01:04.47 | flamethrower | eBug: Knoxville, IA |
| 01:05.02 | Tortel | http://69.250.79.13/koosh.png |
| 01:05.06 | wang | rofl |
| 01:05.07 | Tortel | Fear the KooSH! |
| 01:05.14 | Alumni | u ist buchstaben in English? |
| 01:05.18 | flamethrower | I feel an urge to bow to the koosh |
| 01:05.22 | nopplop | she's a sleep |
| 01:05.32 | flamethrower | Oh buddy, german... Another language I don't know |
| 01:05.39 | Tortel | !german |
| 01:05.39 | dpkg | from memory, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 01:05.57 | Alumni | Tortel: I am you thank. |
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| 01:06.00 | flamethrower | Gonna get some mac and cheese and reboot to the new kernel... here goes... |
| 01:06.16 | Tortel | Alumni: bitte |
| 01:06.50 | justnulli | i get this error with bonding "bond0: duplicate address detected" any ideas? |
| 01:06.57 | sky0 | mtupper: the default for anon users is the home dir of the "ftp" user; as defined in /etc/passwd |
| 01:07.12 | eBug | justnulli do u like bondage ? |
| 01:07.22 | wang | haha |
| 01:07.24 | wang | jesus |
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| 01:07.52 | justnulli | ebug: no is too buggy |
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| 01:08.01 | wang | haha |
| 01:08.02 | sky0 | mtupper: if you want to change it replace the "~ftp" in this line "<Anonymous ~ftp>" in /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 01:08.11 | insomnd | how can i force gksudo to prompt for root password instead of current user pwd? |
| 01:08.11 | azeem | eBug: eh? |
| 01:08.12 | eBug | justnulli try sm |
| 01:08.28 | Guerin | insomnd: you don't |
| 01:08.37 | justnulli | ebug: module not found in my kernel |
| 01:08.49 | Guerin | insomnd: sudo doesn't work like that - man sudo. |
| 01:08.56 | eBug | there's no sm module in your kernel ? |
| 01:09.25 | insomnd | Guerin, there's an option in /etc/gksu.conf that says "sudo-mode=yes/no" |
| 01:09.37 | mtupper | sky0, as in "<anonymous ~user>" which has a directory of ~/home/user as defined by the /etc/passwd ??? |
| 01:09.37 | insomnd | Guerin, i dont know if it does anything |
| 01:09.40 | justnulli | now i have smp kernel ley me install sm one |
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| 01:09.51 | flamethrower | Annd fuck. |
| 01:09.53 | flamethrower | I need to make an initrd. |
| 01:10.13 | flamethrower | And have no recollection of how. |
| 01:10.15 | insomnd | i.e. i want gksudo to behave like gksu |
| 01:10.33 | Guerin | insomnd: why not just use gksu? |
| 01:10.34 | Gnea | !tell flamethrower about initrd |
| 01:10.56 | flamethrower | I know that much, Gnea. I need to make one. |
| 01:10.59 | insomnd | Guerin, this is on an ubuntu install, and ubuntu uses sudo by default, if i disable it, the menu's and several other things dont work properly |
| 01:11.01 | justnulli | seriously now: anyone knows why bonding complains about duplicate ip? |
| 01:11.06 | kapil | flamethrower: the initrd should be made automatically by dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-... |
| 01:11.09 | Gnea | flamethrower: did you go to the url? |
| 01:11.10 | flamethrower | !ubuntu |
| 01:11.10 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 01:11.11 | Guerin | insomnd: ask #ubuntu, then |
| 01:11.14 | sky0 | mtupper: or, so your config is different from the example.conf; but yes. |
| 01:11.18 | insomnd | Guerin, no answer :P |
| 01:11.26 | flamethrower | Are you sure, kapil? I'll try the command... |
| 01:11.36 | flamethrower | That's saying something about Ubuntu, then. |
| 01:11.36 | Guerin | insomnd: here's the thing: debian doesn't break if you disable gksudo, so there's no reason for you to not use it. |
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| 01:11.39 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 01:11.39 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 01:11.54 | flamethrower | !beer guerin |
| 01:12.03 | Tortel | !beer me |
| 01:12.06 | Tortel | :D |
| 01:12.11 | insomnd | Guerin k |
| 01:12.20 | Guerin | insomnd: what you're asking demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of how sudo works - all sudo does it checks that the person sitting at the terminal is the person who logged in originally |
| 01:12.30 | nopplop | I think this chan is a place to throw your ego in a wrong place - |
| 01:12.47 | azeem | nopplop: what does that mean? |
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| 01:12.55 | Gnea | nopplop: ego's are meant to be trampled - just look at Ann Coulter |
| 01:12.58 | Guerin | nopplop: oh, give over |
| 01:13.19 | insomnd | Guerin, if you do gksudo <command>, it prompts for the current user's password. gksu <command> prompts for root password |
| 01:13.22 | flamethrower | kapil: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: kernel-image-2.6.14.3-12-216-115-159_20051205_i386 is not installed |
| 01:13.31 | kapil | insomnd: iirc, you should *never* set a root password in ubuntu. check the ubuntu wiki. |
| 01:13.34 | insomnd | Guerin, true that i dont understand how it works |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | insomnd: go to #ubuntu |
| 01:13.52 | Guerin | insomnd: yes. That's how it's supposed to work. gksu is a wrapper to something like su -c; gksudo is a wrapper to sudo |
| 01:14.08 | Gnea | nopplop: but if you feel the need to go as far as she does, then you're in the wrong place ;) |
| 01:14.18 | mtupper | sky0, thanks, now that was helpful... a simple explanation for a rookie (unlike Guerin, who while surely knows what he's doing, doesn't help at all with only the snide comments of an arrogant cock)... |
| 01:14.34 | insomnd | kapil, why should i not set a root password? wiki says that you can if u want |
| 01:14.38 | kapil | flamethrower: is the kernel installed (in spite of what dpkg says)? |
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| 01:14.41 | abrotman | !tell insomnd about u |
| 01:14.59 | flamethrower | kapil, yes |
| 01:15.00 | insomnd | kapil, abrotman Guerin sorrry for asking non debian questions |
| 01:15.02 | azeem | mtupper: whatever he said, "arrogant cock" isn't the most seasoned response |
| 01:15.10 | Guerin | mtupper: no, really. You're using the most complicated ftpd there is for a trivial task. That;'s not stupid at all. |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | insomnd: don't apologize .. just stop doing it |
| 01:15.27 | Gnea | mtupper: "arrogant cock" is that the best you can do? |
| 01:15.42 | Guerin | i'm not arrogant, i'm fucking RIGHT |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | self-important penis! |
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| 01:15.48 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:15.49 | kapil | flamethrower: in that case try to use mkinitrd with an appropriate conf file. |
| 01:15.52 | flamethrower | Ok, so arrogant cock = synonym to cocky dick, right? |
| 01:16.03 | flamethrower | kapil, where would the conf be? |
| 01:16.03 | nopplop | Gnea: she's go to far |
| 01:16.05 | mtupper | ok, dudes, chill... |
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| 01:16.21 | Gnea | flamethrower: dude, that's a scary thought :) |
| 01:16.32 | flamethrower | Gnea: yeah, but ture :P |
| 01:16.32 | Gnea | !beer mtupper |
| 01:16.34 | flamethrower | true* |
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| 01:16.53 | sky0 | mtupper: I woudn't blame him; I agree that he might not be as friendly as I would like, but most times he right; and he is doing a lot more of free(!) tech support than I am; You are welcome, by the way. |
| 01:17.20 | Gnea | flamethrower: well, more of a matter of opinion - one could equate a 'cocky dick' to a mutant - the cock of a cock ;) |
| 01:17.28 | flamethrower | kapil: I will as soon as I know where I can find said conf file |
| 01:17.33 | flamethrower | Hahahaha |
| 01:17.35 | flamethrower | This is true |
| 01:17.45 | kapil | flamethrower: the default conf is in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf. but don't edit that one. copy /etc/mkinitrd to /tmp/mkinitrd. edit /tmp/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and use 'mkinitrd -d /tmp/mkinitrd'. |
| 01:17.58 | flamethrower | Most people (I hope) would think something along the lines of cocky dick... umm... cocky asshole |
| 01:18.03 | flamethrower | Wow, that didni't help me out any |
| 01:18.09 | flamethrower | Thx kapil (wasn't referring to you) |
| 01:18.20 | Gnea | kapil: yeah but /tmp gets wiped out at reboot |
| 01:18.53 | flamethrower | mkdir /home/sylvisj/mkinitrd ; cp /etc/initrd /home/sylvisj/mkinitrd |
| 01:18.56 | flamethrower | How's that sound? |
| 01:19.02 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:19.13 | nopplop | 1978 I compiled hello world but noeone listen |
| 01:19.31 | Gnea | 1978 people didn't know what a keyboard was |
| 01:19.36 | Guerin | nopplop: in internet, people can hear you scream - they just don't give a damn |
| 01:19.43 | flamethrower | Well, they did... if they were Bill Gates' friends. |
| 01:19.55 | kapil | flamethrower: as gnea reminded me you need to copy the initrd made by mkinitrd to /boot. |
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| 01:20.08 | flamethrower | yeah, but I need to make said initrd first. |
| 01:20.16 | kapil | flamethrower: you want 'cp -a' not 'cp' |
| 01:20.33 | mtupper | ok, all, sorry, damn y'all get so riled up in a hurry. thank you all, especially sky0, and in particular, Guerin, for pointing out what a rookie I really am. thanks for all the free tech support, please just remember that a ton of the people that come in here looking for a pointer or two are rookies, not total retards (even though I guess I said myself I felt retarded for asking the question), but a stupider question was the one not asked. |
| 01:20.35 | abrotman | Gnea: yeah .. they only had .. typewriters ... |
| 01:20.40 | mtupper | later |
| 01:20.49 | kapil | flamethrower: and the command is 'mkinitrd -d /tmp/mkinitrd -o initrd.img' |
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| 01:20.58 | Guerin | mtupper: don't sweat it, d00d |
| 01:21.09 | Gnea | abrotman: i still have an original ibm clikity-klakity keyboard ... ps/2 :) |
| 01:21.10 | flamethrower | Ok dude, still copying /etc/mkinitrd to /home/sylvisj/initrd |
| 01:21.26 | wang | i love the word stupider |
| 01:21.37 | wang | it makes me chortle in a bowl of rice crispies |
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| 01:21.43 | flamethrower | How do I make dirs? |
| 01:21.50 | flamethrower | erm |
| 01:21.50 | flamethrower | copy |
| 01:21.51 | Guerin | flamethrower: mkdir |
| 01:21.52 | flamethrower | not make |
| 01:21.55 | flamethrower | I know ^^ |
| 01:21.55 | wang | flamethrower : mkdir |
| 01:21.56 | Guerin | flamethrower: cp -a |
| 01:21.59 | flamethrower | Thx. |
| 01:22.03 | azeem | flamethrower: you're not entitled to say "cock" or "dick" in here if you do not know that |
| 01:22.08 | wang | flamethrower : cp |
| 01:22.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:22.26 | Guerin | but you can say c*ck or d*ck |
| 01:22.32 | wang | the debian people are feisty today |
| 01:22.35 | flamethrower | What about c0ck or d!ck? |
| 01:22.37 | Gnea | azeem: what about pussy or vagina? |
| 01:22.39 | Guerin | because those words are a-O.K. |
| 01:22.48 | sifi | how can I translate all uppercase with lowercase in a file? |
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| 01:22.52 | azeem | flamethrower: you can, but that'll make you look silly |
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| 01:23.02 | flamethrower | This is true. |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | wtf did i do ? |
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| 01:23.14 | flamethrower | Facking people of all ages attempting to use debian :/ |
| 01:23.19 | wang | you're just o so hot |
| 01:23.31 | JRWR | man muti networks with psybnc is messy |
| 01:23.32 | wang | flamethrower : what's wrong with that? |
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| 01:23.43 | JRWR | freenode~wang |
| 01:23.46 | JRWR | lol |
| 01:24.00 | wang | ? |
| 01:24.17 | wang | what cletus? |
| 01:24.19 | kapil | flamethrower: if only people who want to use Debian FAQ-ed as often as they f***ed. |
| 01:24.31 | JRWR | lol |
| 01:24.37 | flamethrower | Meh, would still be none. |
| 01:24.38 | Guerin | kapil: totally |
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| 01:24.39 | JRWR | i read that b4 i read the readme |
| 01:24.47 | flamethrower | <-- 15, virgin. |
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| 01:25.05 | flamethrower | Therefore your statement needs to be modified to include me somehow. |
| 01:25.18 | wang | it's unfathomable how fast kde is on this primitive device compared to gnome |
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| 01:25.26 | kapil | flamethrower: here's the mod. if only people who want to use Debian FAQ-ed as often as they f***ed-up. |
| 01:25.27 | flamethrower | Much love to KDE. |
| 01:25.36 | sky0 | sifi: do you mean the file name or the file content? |
| 01:25.49 | sifi | sky0, the content |
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| 01:27.37 | paolob | Hi guys! I'm trying to get a big file from http.us.debian.org, but wget hangs up (I don't know why). So I want to continue downloading, but the following invocation of wget, with or without the -c option, always restart downloading. Why doesn't it retrieve the preceeding download? thank you! |
| 01:27.50 | sky0 | sifi: running "tr '[a-z]' ['A-Z'] <input >output" will uppercase everthing; switch params to '[A-Z]' '[a-z' to lowercase |
| 01:28.02 | flamethrower | Exceedingly stupid question alert, but when I make the initrd, where is it saved ot? |
| 01:28.04 | flamethrower | to* |
| 01:28.33 | sky0 | sifi: I meant '[a-z]' of course |
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| 01:29.01 | Guerin | paolob: bigger than 2G? |
| 01:29.04 | kapil | flamethrower: you missed my comment on the '-o' switch. mkinitrd -d /tmp/mkinitrd -o outputinitrd |
| 01:29.07 | Gnea | flamethrower: i think there's an option for that - man mkinitrd |
| 01:29.18 | Gnea | or what kapil said :) |
| 01:29.24 | flamethrower | Thanks. |
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| 01:29.41 | Guerin | paolob: you need to use client which doesn't freak on files bigger than long |
| 01:29.53 | mtupper | Guerin, so I went to remove proftpd and get the error "dependency problems - not removing" because proftpd-mysql, -pgsql, & -ldap are not installed... WTF? do I have to install these to be able to remove the whole f-ing thing? |
| 01:29.56 | sifi | sky0, tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' file output: Try `tr --help' for more information. |
| 01:30.01 | flamethrower | Is it rm or mv that renames? mv, right? |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | flamethrower: man <cmd> |
| 01:30.21 | Guerin | mtupper: freakshow, that's pretty nasty. |
| 01:30.25 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 01:30.25 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard". (i e type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 01:30.26 | flamethrower | Meh, was tryin to avoid that, but ok. |
| 01:30.39 | resiak | You were trying to avoid reading the docs? |
| 01:30.39 | sky0 | sifi: you are missing the "<" before inputfile; and the ">", otherwise output goes to stdout |
| 01:30.52 | paolob | Guerin: 17M (linux-image) |
| 01:31.07 | sifi | sky0, yes, I'd saw that now |
| 01:31.08 | flamethrower | resiak, yeah, I admit it. |
| 01:31.10 | sifi | sky0, thx |
| 01:31.14 | sky0 | np |
| 01:31.19 | Guerin | paolob: hrm, should be no problem there |
| 01:31.33 | flamethrower | Anyone have a page where I can find what the line for my bootloader will have to be in order to point to the newly made initrd? |
| 01:31.50 | mtupper | sky0, so I went to remove proftpd and get the error "dependency problems - not removing" because proftpd-mysql, -pgsql, & -ldap are not installed... WTF? do I have to install these to be able to remove the whole f-ing thing? |
| 01:31.58 | paolob | Guerin: perhaps the problem is with http.us.debian.org? Doesn't that server support download resuming? |
| 01:32.17 | nopplop | if einstein has a keyboard - I listen... |
| 01:32.24 | Guerin | paolob: it should ... if not, try another |
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| 01:32.40 | Guerin | paolob: i mean ... it does, but it appears to not be working for you |
| 01:32.44 | azeem | mtupper: try apt-get -f install |
| 01:33.01 | resiak | flamethrower: Just use make-kpkg and install the deb and it'll do it all for yo |
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| 01:33.04 | azeem | mtupper: how did you install proftpd? with dpkg -i? |
| 01:33.15 | resiak | flamethrower: or you could read the grub documentation (assuming you're using grub like all sane people). |
| 01:33.18 | flamethrower | resiak: .deb wasn't created, just initrd.img |
| 01:33.25 | mtupper | azeem, oh, right, you got me... i did apt-get |
| 01:33.30 | flamethrower | Grub, yeah. I've heard LILO is dabbling in some dark magic. |
| 01:33.35 | flamethrower | using LILO* |
| 01:33.35 | mtupper | azeem, thanks, let me try that |
| 01:33.37 | resiak | flamethrower: /msg dpkg dr, read the chapter on kernel compilation. How many times do I have to tell you to do this? |
| 01:33.47 | azeem | eh |
| 01:34.00 | azeem | mtupper: if you used apt-get, it should be fine in theory |
| 01:34.01 | flamethrower | I've read it, but it doesn't make much sense to me. I think I'll need to end up doing Linux From Scratch, as I've heard it's like bootcamp for linux. |
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| 01:35.06 | xiaogil | is rsync quicker than wget to download a file ? |
| 01:35.16 | Guerin | xiaogil: no |
| 01:35.28 | nopplop | I make pictures with a tongue - |
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| 01:36.21 | resiak | flamethrower: Right. You're in /usr/src/linux. You've run make menuconfig and everything is set up how you like it. Then run the commands listed after it in _Debian_standard_method_. |
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| 01:36.39 | nopplop | I will be with einstein and his studends - I think they have a lot of fun!!! |
| 01:36.52 | mtupper | azeem, typical rookie error, installed with apt-get install and tried to remove with dpkg -r... removed ok with apt-get remove... thanks again. |
| 01:36.54 | azeem | nopplop: you seem to be off-topci? |
| 01:36.57 | thc | wtf? |
| 01:37.01 | thc | !seen vagabund |
| 01:37.01 | dpkg | vagabund <i=me@p508BFA35.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 69d 17h 45m 24s ago, saying: 'who was friendly? I take hims in my arms!'. |
| 01:37.02 | azeem | mtupper: ah, ok |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | azeem: and never on |
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| 01:37.13 | thc | nopplop: weren't you banned from this channel? |
| 01:37.41 | azeem | haha |
| 01:37.43 | abrotman | thc: /nick lightvision .. become your true self |
| 01:37.51 | thc | haha |
| 01:38.08 | nopplop | *rofl* |
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| 01:38.21 | flamethrower | resiak... I already have the kernel made... |
| 01:38.24 | nopplop | you are better than TV |
| 01:38.25 | flamethrower | the initrd is done... |
| 01:38.30 | flamethrower | I just need to know what to put in GRUB |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | nopplop: you're better than a refrigerator |
| 01:38.57 | resiak | flamethrower: If you make it with make-kpkg your life will be easy. Or you can read the grub docs, and the existing entries in menu.lst, and do it all manually. Your choice. I'll choose the former. |
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| 01:39.49 | shadowarts | how do i check if shadow passwords are enabled? |
| 01:39.51 | nopplop | abrotman: live told me so |
| 01:39.52 | flamethrower | Guerin, what was that kernel compilation mantra like you had dpkg do send me? |
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| 01:40.07 | abrotman | shadowarts: look in your passwd file for starters |
| 01:40.26 | itp560 | I can't find chkconfig tool |
| 01:41.06 | itp560 | apt-cache search chkconfig |
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| 01:41.10 | resiak | flamethrower: Does exactly what the dr page says to do, except without an initrd |
| 01:41.56 | flamethrower | brb, rebooting, testing initrd.. |
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| 01:42.44 | azeem | itp560: what is chkconfig good for? |
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| 01:43.14 | abrotman | i was wondering what happened to gravity .. thought he floated off somewhere |
| 01:43.19 | itp560 | azeem, I want to add some init scripts |
| 01:43.33 | nopplop | hearts as oak! |
| 01:43.34 | abrotman | itp560: /etc/init.d/README and update-rc.d |
| 01:43.52 | azeem | itp560: chkconfig might be RedHat-specific or si |
| 01:43.53 | azeem | so |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | azeem: it is |
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| 01:44.32 | faiper | j #PSL-BA |
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| 01:44.41 | itp560 | thanks guys |
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| 01:46.21 | nopplop | the old sailors tells |
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| 01:47.15 | abrotman | nopplop: don't you have to take your bath or something ? |
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| 01:47.44 | Flamethrower | No. Fucking. Luck. |
| 01:47.46 | Flamethrower | It almost seems time to find my old winxp cd. |
| 01:48.07 | shogunx | why do you need something to put under your drink? |
| 01:48.13 | azeem | !hi |
| 01:48.13 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
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| 01:48.25 | abrotman | azeem: feeling lonely ? |
| 01:48.28 | Yarou | abrotman |
| 01:48.30 | Yarou | is pro |
| 01:48.32 | Flamethrower | I've had no sound since I installed linux on this, and have lost the ability to game since I've been having to main it. |
| 01:48.40 | azeem | abrotman: dpkg wouldn't react to a /msg |
| 01:48.49 | abrotman | azeem: for package info ? |
| 01:48.59 | azeem | eh, I think I am just sleepy |
| 01:49.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:49.08 | shogunx | are you using a stock kernel? |
| 01:49.19 | Flamethrower | Right now, yeah. I've had NO LUCK compiling my own. |
| 01:49.31 | abrotman | why are you compiling your own ? |
| 01:49.34 | shogunx | do you klnow the model of your sound card/chip? |
| 01:49.37 | nopplop | I still listen - |
| 01:50.06 | azeem | compiling kernels is lame since 2003, btw |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | nopplop: have you tried #kindergarten ? |
| 01:50.55 | Yarou | woohoo my userland ownz yours |
| 01:51.01 | nopplop | 1956 I tried that |
| 01:51.05 | shogunx | Flamethrower? |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | Yarou: why ? |
| 01:51.07 | Flamethrower | abrotman: sound compatability issues |
| 01:51.13 | Flamethrower | shogunx: Sound Blaster Live! LS |
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| 01:51.22 | Yarou | abrotman: because my kernelmode got me stuck in ring1 help me :( |
| 01:51.23 | Flamethrower | Also found as Sound Blaster Audigy LS |
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| 01:51.29 | Flamethrower | Same thing, depends on who you ask |
| 01:51.36 | shogunx | what does lspci say? |
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| 01:52.07 | dvs | Flamethrower: emu10k1 doesn't work for the Audigy? |
| 01:52.21 | Flamethrower | dvs: no. ca0106 does, but I have no clue as to set that up. |
| 01:52.42 | dvs | ca0106? What the heck? I never heard of that! |
| 01:52.43 | Flamethrower | 0000:01:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
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| 01:53.00 | Flamethrower | dvs: www.alsa-project.org |
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| 01:53.04 | Flamethrower | Look up my card, that's what it says. |
| 01:54.04 | shogunx | in /lib/modules/(kerne;-version) is there an alsa module precompiled? do you have the alsa user space apps intealled? |
| 01:54.45 | Yarou | !op |
| 01:54.49 | Yarou | weee |
| 01:55.01 | dvs | Flamethrower: Oh, an Audigy 2. You'll probably have better luck with the Live! |
| 01:55.22 | Flamethrower | yes, shogun. |
| 01:55.25 | Flamethrower | DVS, it IS live. |
| 01:55.28 | Flamethrower | Onboard |
| 01:55.37 | shogunx | does alsamixer give you any output? |
| 01:55.46 | dvs | Flamethrower: What driver did you try for the Live? |
| 01:55.50 | Flamethrower | Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 according to the box, SoundBlaster Live! LS according to a few sites. |
| 01:55.57 | itp560 | any bad exp with reiserfs ? |
| 01:56.00 | Flamethrower | emu10k1, the card isn't recognized by alsa. |
| 01:56.03 | Flamethrower | No, shogun. |
| 01:56.20 | dvs | Flamethrower: Did you try the emu10k2 just in case? |
| 01:56.30 | Flamethrower | Tell me how and I will. |
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| 01:56.38 | shogunx | what, does this card need to be added to the alsa hardware database? |
| 01:56.39 | dvs | Flamethrower: What kernel are you using? |
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| 01:57.03 | nopplop | holding back the jears... |
| 01:57.23 | Flamethrower | It's in there, shogun. |
| 01:57.26 | Flamethrower | dvs, 2.6.8 |
| 01:57.42 | Flamethrower | creative labs, sound blaster live! ls or sound blaster audigy ls |
| 01:57.45 | shogunx | so what gives? just a config? |
| 01:57.48 | dvs | Flamethrower: Then modprobe snd-emu10k2 should do it. |
| 01:57.58 | Flamethrower | No clue, shogun. |
| 01:58.29 | xiaogil | why when i use firefox to see the page http://ndweb.iis.sinica.edu.tw/archaeo2_public/Include/GetImage_FileName.jsp?filename=R024974ccwa&type=3, i get a big image, and when i try to read it with wget, i get a small image ? |
| 01:58.43 | Flamethrower | FATAL: Module snd_emu10k2 not found. |
| 01:58.46 | nopplop | set your grandfather to the keyboard! |
| 01:58.55 | dvs | Flamethrower: Is this a Debian kernel? |
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| 01:59.00 | Flamethrower | Yes. |
| 01:59.04 | Flamethrower | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 01:59.06 | shogunx | ahh. then there is the place to begin. what happens with modprobe $appropriate kernel module && /etc/init.d/alsa restart && alsamixer ? |
| 01:59.21 | Flamethrower | Something along those lines |
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| 01:59.36 | Flamethrower | Shogun, you'll have to be a bit more specific, like with an example... |
| 01:59.39 | matadon | Any recommendations for a filesystem monitoring tool similar to tripwire (I'm researching alternatives)? |
| 01:59.45 | nopplop | not this "kindergarten" |
| 02:00.04 | Yarou | !voice |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | apt-cache search tripwire |
| 02:00.09 | Yarou | !sex |
| 02:00.09 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 02:00.18 | zxc | is it possible to copy the entire /dev from one pc to another, using tar or something ? |
| 02:00.25 | shogunx | we know the card shows up on the pci bus. so we want to try to load a kernel module to run it, then restart the userspace daemons, then try a userspace app. |
| 02:00.25 | dondelelcaro | Yarou: if you need to play with the bot, use /msg. |
| 02:00.39 | matadon | abrotman: I'm looking for alternatives; I may just write one. |
| 02:00.40 | abrotman | zxc: why in the world would you want to do that ? |
| 02:00.44 | Yarou | i must vocalize my sex |
| 02:00.50 | abrotman | matadon: i just told you how to find them |
| 02:00.51 | shogunx | hence: modprobe $modulename |
| 02:00.51 | dvs | Flamethrower: Did you try "modprobe snd_ca0106" |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | matadon: or at least a few |
| 02:01.05 | shogunx | then: /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 02:01.11 | shogunx | then: alsamixer |
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| 02:01.25 | Flamethrower | Yes, dvs, same thing, but pointing to snd-ca0106 |
| 02:01.27 | shogunx | if correct, the mixer will give us some setting to fiddle with. |
| 02:01.32 | Flamethrower | shogun, I meant like a command-line example |
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| 02:01.52 | shogunx | modprobe ?snd-ca0106? |
| 02:01.52 | OctoberDan | What permisions should I set for CVSROOT? |
| 02:02.14 | Flamethrower | 12-216-115-159:/home/sylvisj# modprobe snd-ca0106 |
| 02:02.14 | Flamethrower | FATAL: Module snd_ca0106 not found. |
| 02:02.14 | Flamethrower | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ca0106 |
| 02:02.16 | shogunx | ? because i'm not sure which module you need, not for syntax |
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| 02:02.36 | shogunx | you are sure this is the module name? |
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| 02:02.42 | Flamethrower | Yes |
| 02:02.46 | Flamethrower | 12-216-115-159:/home/sylvisj# modprobe snd-emu10k1 <- This went fine |
| 02:02.54 | Flamethrower | ca0106 isn't on my system, no clue how to get it on there |
| 02:02.54 | shogunx | but it does not exist on your host. |
| 02:02.58 | Flamethrower | Bingo. |
| 02:03.01 | thc | Flamethrower: the sarge 2.6 kernel does not have that alsa driver. you need a kernel from etch. |
| 02:03.02 | Flamethrower | That's been my prob all along. |
| 02:03.21 | Flamethrower | Thc: I need stability, too many more lengthy problems will drive me to windows |
| 02:03.28 | Flamethrower | Ironic, I know |
| 02:03.33 | shogunx | so you need the kernel source for the kernel you are running, and you will need to compile that particular module. |
| 02:03.37 | Flamethrower | At least windows I knew how to tweak :/ |
| 02:03.44 | Flamethrower | I have the kernel source. |
| 02:03.47 | thc | well you're sol then, that chipset wasn't even out when sarge was released. |
| 02:03.54 | xiaogil | How to know the user agent string that firefox sends with wget ? |
| 02:03.59 | thc | you need at least a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 02:03.59 | shogunx | you have the kernel source installed in /usr/src? |
| 02:04.17 | Flamethrower | yes, shogun. |
| 02:04.24 | matadon | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | matadon: find anything? :) |
| 02:04.34 | shogunx | cd to that directory and type make menuconfig |
| 02:04.42 | matadon | xiaogil: man tcpdump |
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| 02:05.17 | matadon | abrotman: Yes, although I had to log into my home Deb box for it. Fscking vendor only supports FC2 (!) so I'm un-Debianized for a large chunk of my servers. |
| 02:05.26 | abrotman | ack! |
| 02:05.34 | matadon | abrotman: Exactly. |
| 02:05.50 | shogunx | find the module you need in drivers-->sound--> |
| 02:05.51 | sky0 | Flamethrower: I admit I can't read this: http://groups.google.com/group/hun.lists.mlf.linux-kezdo/browse_thread/thread/ea4fd91c1936bc00/e0d7bee6fb92455d - but it seems to indicate patching the alsa driver is necessary. |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | and rc2! |
| 02:05.56 | xiaogil | matadon: could you give me an example of how to use it ? |
| 02:05.59 | Flamethrower | Which kernel source you want me to use? I have 2.6.14.3 and a lot before that. |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | Flamethrower: why don't you ask #alsa how to make it work ? |
| 02:06.19 | Flamethrower | The channel is almost always dead silent. |
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| 02:06.30 | Flamethrower | I've googled it, the alsa site got me nowhere. |
| 02:06.31 | shogunx | i would use at least a version that has support for that chipset;) |
| 02:06.33 | dvs | abrotman: The ca0106 module isn't compiled by Debian for some reason |
| 02:06.44 | matadon | xiaogil: tcpdump -s 2048 -X dport 80 |
| 02:06.45 | Flamethrower | Latest it is. |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | sound is overrated .. |
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| 02:06.51 | shogunx | tho to make things easy, use the source from the running kernel. |
| 02:06.52 | sky0 | Flamethrower: unless the debian alsa package is already patched; but it would explain where the snd-ca0106 module would come from. |
| 02:06.52 | Flamethrower | Abrotman... not for a gamer. |
| 02:06.57 | nopplop | hey - so a real men is drunk when he want to be drunk - |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | Flamethrower: did you think to try a kernel from etch or sid ? |
| 02:07.08 | thc | the ca1016 driver is built in to 2.6.12 kernels and newer. |
| 02:07.21 | thc | i use it with my audigy card |
| 02:07.24 | shogunx | unless you want to compile the whole kernel, etc... instead of just the module you need for the kernel you are currently running. |
| 02:07.29 | dvs | Flamethrower: I'd try and grab a kernel from etch. |
| 02:07.30 | matadon | abrotman: Not when it comes to girlfriends. ;p |
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| 02:08.00 | xiaogil | matadon: thanks |
| 02:08.08 | shogunx | tho a working kernel already as a deb would do the trick too. |
| 02:08.21 | Flamethrower | built-in.o ca0106_main.c ca0106_mixer.c ca0106_proc.c Makefile |
| 02:08.21 | Flamethrower | ca0106.h ca0106_main.o ca0106_mixer.o ca0106_proc.o snd-ca0106.o |
| 02:08.24 | Flamethrower | Found it. |
| 02:08.35 | dvs | Flamethrower: Found it where? |
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| 02:08.48 | abrotman | those are 2.4 modules ? |
| 02:08.52 | dvs | and how come it isn't snd-ca0106.ko? |
| 02:08.55 | Flamethrower | '/usr/src/linux-2.6.14.3/sound/pci/' |
| 02:09.06 | Flamethrower | add a ca0106/ to the end of that |
| 02:09.15 | shogunx | oss modules? that will work too. |
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| 02:09.29 | shogunx | i was thinking find it in the menuconfig interface. |
| 02:09.31 | dvs | shogunx: Those aren't even OSS modules |
| 02:09.41 | eddietejeda | flamethrower... is this empty or full? |
| 02:09.46 | Flamethrower | Eh? |
| 02:10.05 | Flamethrower | That's the filelist from /usr/src/linux-2.6.14.3/sound/pci/ca0106/ |
| 02:10.30 | thc | abrotman: did you play hookie ? |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | thc: no .. but it appears to be sunday in here :) |
| 02:10.46 | Flamethrower | shogunx, what did you mean? |
| 02:10.51 | shogunx | does such exist in the kernel source tree for the kernel you are running right now? |
| 02:10.53 | thc | ahso. |
| 02:10.59 | Flamethrower | Don't think so, lemme check |
| 02:11.04 | Yarou | l o l z |
| 02:11.10 | shogunx | what did i mean when? |
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| 02:11.22 | xiaogil | matadon: my problem is that when i wget a web page (http://ndweb.iis.sinica.edu.tw/archaeo2_public/Include/GetImage_FileName.jsp?filename=R024974ccwa&type=3), i get a small jpeg image, and when i download it using firefox, i get a the same iimage in a bigger resolutio. Do you know how to get the big resolution image with wget ? It looks that tcpdump could help, but i don't really understand how to use it for that. |
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| 02:11.34 | Flamethrower | No, shogunx. Not there. |
| 02:11.43 | shogunx | it is what, a 2.6.8? |
| 02:11.46 | Flamethrower | Yes. |
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| 02:11.53 | nopplop | work = slavery |
| 02:11.56 | Fluten | is there any way to send a device over a network? such as to have a video capture card in one linux box and use it in another, as if it was in the same machine |
| 02:11.58 | shogunx | ok, then build a 2.6.14 from scratch. |
| 02:12.07 | Flamethrower | That's my major malfunction. |
| 02:12.11 | thc | why is nopplop still talking in here |
| 02:12.18 | Flamethrower | Every kernel I've attempted to compile won't boot, even with an initrd. |
| 02:12.18 | shogunx | where are you running into problems? |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | Flamethrower: get a 2.6.12 from etch |
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| 02:12.25 | abrotman | thc: you'd need an op to get rid of him |
| 02:12.32 | dvs | Flamethrower: I second abrotman |
| 02:12.33 | thc | yes, or ignore |
| 02:12.34 | shogunx | won't boot like dies when? |
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| 02:12.35 | Gnea | nopplop: what's your point? |
| 02:12.35 | Yarou | hmm |
| 02:12.41 | Flamethrower | With an initrd, it complains about 'unknown filesystem 'devfs'' and a ew other things. |
| 02:12.49 | PerfDave | Fluten: There's not any generic way that I'm aware of. |
| 02:12.53 | interbird | Nautilus crashes when I open the properties page of a desktop-icon. Can anybody help me solve this ? |
| 02:12.53 | Flamethrower | Dies during boot |
| 02:12.58 | abrotman | Gnea: there is no point .. he is showing us the extent of the damage |
| 02:13.09 | Gnea | abrotman: damage? |
| 02:13.12 | nopplop | if the slavery is over i find a work - simple |
| 02:13.20 | PerfDave | Fluten: For your particular requirement, you may be able to use vls/vlc to stream the video over the LAN. |
| 02:13.20 | Flamethrower | Abrotman, how would I install it? From a testing/unstable source? |
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| 02:13.27 | abrotman | Gnea: blow to the skull apparently |
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| 02:13.35 | abrotman | Flamethrower: wget |
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| 02:13.43 | Gnea | nopplop: you may wish to consider replacing crack for something else |
| 02:13.45 | Furae | Hey, quick question here guys, I run knoppix on my laptop, how do you run a script right as you log on? And can you make it run invisible? |
| 02:13.48 | abrotman | interbird: all icons ? |
| 02:13.52 | abrotman | Furae: #knoppix |
| 02:13.55 | interbird | yes |
| 02:13.56 | Yarou | lol |
| 02:13.59 | Yarou | that's not debian |
| 02:14.02 | Furae | Ah, haha, thanks |
| 02:14.06 | shogunx | to do what abrotman and dvs suggest, you could find it with http://packages.debian.org |
| 02:14.11 | Fluten | PerfDave, ill look into vlc, thankyou |
| 02:14.12 | rudenstam | anyone who can have a look at my errors when trying to compile the hpt drivers for rocketraid 1640 and give me any tips ? http://paste.anbcs.com/3700 |
| 02:14.30 | shogunx | sounds like your new kernel just needs a bit of a tweak or two though. |
| 02:14.33 | Gnea | nopplop: you've got options, you know... imprisonment or slavery |
| 02:14.34 | Flamethrower | Installing wget, abrotman... |
| 02:14.42 | interbird | abrotman: Also when i log in under a different user |
| 02:14.46 | Flamethrower | Shogunx, that's where I know nothing. I'm an utter newbie. |
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| 02:15.23 | nix | rudenstam: looks like an outdated/wrong kernel hpt driver? |
| 02:15.24 | shogunx | we were all there once. be glad its now... i had to compile my first kernel on a 486... over and over and over. i would type make and leave for the night. |
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| 02:15.49 | Gnea | shogunx: i miss those days *sniff* ;) |
| 02:15.57 | Flamethrower | Aaannd wget has one of the biggest man entries I've seen, time to find an apt source for that etch kernel |
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| 02:16.18 | shogunx | gnea: yeah, fast sysops and slow computers made for lots of slack in those days. |
| 02:16.19 | Flamethrower | That makes me glad I have my K8 |
| 02:16.19 | abrotman | interbird: so it seems to be system wide ? .. did you check the BTS ? |
| 02:16.33 | nopplop | modern slavery don't ask... |
| 02:16.36 | Gnea | shogunx: slackware is still around |
| 02:16.41 | Yarou | slavery |
| 02:16.44 | Gnea | nopplop: then stfu |
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| 02:16.51 | thc | make it go away |
| 02:16.57 | shogunx | i have no k8 but i do have some ppc64's, alphas, openmosixen, and a s/390 |
| 02:17.05 | Yarou | ya debian's kernel is my slave lolz |
| 02:17.06 | Flamethrower | Wow. |
| 02:17.16 | Flamethrower | Sparc is ppc64, right |
| 02:17.16 | Flamethrower | ? |
| 02:17.18 | Yarou | i make him eat ring0 for sex |
| 02:17.23 | abrotman | Flamethrower: are you serious ? |
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| 02:17.26 | shogunx | powerpc64. |
| 02:17.28 | Flamethrower | Ahh. |
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| 02:17.34 | Gnea | Flamethrower: no, ppc is powerpc - apple made it |
| 02:17.39 | Flamethrower | Ok, thx. |
| 02:17.40 | shogunx | sparc is made by sun. |
| 02:17.42 | Yarou | powerpc, aren't those .. |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | Gnea: you mean IBM ? :) |
| 02:18.05 | shogunx | only these ppc64's are in rs/6000 ibms. |
| 02:18.13 | eddietejeda | actually IBM only designs it |
| 02:18.16 | Flamethrower | abrotman: I've said this so many times I feel like a broken record. I am an utter newbie with linux. I know little about CPU architectures. For goodness sake, I'm 15 trying to get a headstart on a career field I want to get into. Please, chill. |
| 02:18.20 | Gnea | abrotman: 2 different people ;) |
| 02:18.23 | Yarou | lol |
| 02:18.26 | eddietejeda | its built my people like Motorola |
| 02:18.26 | Yarou | Flamethrower |
| 02:18.31 | Yarou | go eat some xor |
| 02:18.37 | Flamethrower | xor? |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | eddietejeda: but apple certainly doesn't make it or design it |
| 02:18.56 | Gnea | Flamethrower: abrotman's cool, he's just bustin' yer balls |
| 02:19.06 | Flamethrower | Yeah, he has been since I first got in here. |
| 02:19.07 | Yarou | Exclusive OR |
| 02:19.12 | nix | Flamethrower: if comments in here are undigestable, simply add salt. ;) |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | no i haven't |
| 02:19.19 | Gnea | Flamethrower: you get used to it :) |
| 02:19.20 | eddietejeda | abrotman: nope. they use it. as do a million other devices (use PPC) |
| 02:19.23 | shogunx | ok, Flamethrower... you must logically look at the errors that your kernel prints to determine whats wrong with the kernel you have compiled. |
| 02:19.25 | Flamethrower | My bad, every time I've made a comment about something I know nothign about. |
| 02:19.30 | Flamethrower | I know, shogunx. |
| 02:19.42 | Yarou | Flamethrower: learn x86 Assembly and i'll sex u up |
| 02:19.43 | interbird | abrotman: Yes, seems to be system wide; could not find a reference in BTS, New deb-installs from scratch on textbox work ok. I would like to track this sucker down but I need some help I guess... |
| 02:19.56 | interbird | (testbox) |
| 02:20.00 | shogunx | so what is the last error that is printed before it hangs/panics/reboots/etc. |
| 02:20.03 | Flamethrower | This initrd one is saying that it first can't modprobe anything because they're not found, then can't mount the devfs because it's unknown, and then can't open dev/console because that doesn't exist. |
| 02:20.04 | abrotman | interbird: bugs.debian.org/nautilus ? |
| 02:20.16 | shogunx | then what happens. |
| 02:20.24 | Flamethrower | Kernel panic, not syncing, it locks. |
| 02:20.33 | interbird | abrotman: lookin' it up |
| 02:20.42 | Gnea | Flamethrower: did you compile the kernel by hand? |
| 02:20.42 | Flamethrower | Yarou, x86 assembly... I'm guessing what goes on in the cpu pipes? |
| 02:20.45 | Flamethrower | Yes. |
| 02:20.46 | shogunx | look in filesystems part of your kernel config. |
| 02:21.01 | Flamethrower | How do I open an existing config? |
| 02:21.04 | abrotman | interbird: you could ask #gnome or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. |
| 02:21.07 | Gnea | Flamethrower: make sure the support all that is modular - make menuconfig |
| 02:21.43 | Flamethrower | Gnea, that just flew over my head. Lemme see what make menuconfig does |
| 02:21.55 | shogunx | make menuconfig, Flamethrower |
| 02:21.59 | Yarou | Flamethrower: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language |
| 02:22.01 | Flamethrower | I used make xconfig |
| 02:22.06 | shogunx | while in the /usr/src/(kernel-version) dir. |
| 02:22.08 | dvs | Flamethrower: that works |
| 02:22.11 | Gnea | Flamethrower: ah, it's the same thing, just in console |
| 02:22.12 | shogunx | xconfig is fine too. |
| 02:22.22 | rudenstam | nix: newest hpt driver I think.. sais it supports 2.6.x in the readme |
| 02:22.29 | Flamethrower | Ok... what am I looking for in Filesystems? |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:22.41 | shogunx | devfs |
| 02:22.49 | abrotman | Flamethrower: what is your CPU ? |
| 02:22.58 | liable | hrm, i got no system bell in x.. |
| 02:22.59 | Yarou | it's psparc |
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| 02:23.05 | interbird | abrotman: Yeh, I think I'm bound to go there -- I have yo get over the fact I cannot solve this one :-) Thanx ! |
| 02:23.08 | Yarou | powerpc + sparc = ftw |
| 02:23.14 | Flamethrower | abrotman, AMD64 |
| 02:23.17 | abrotman | interbird: yeah .. seems very odd |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | Flamethrower: pure64 or 32bit ? |
| 02:23.32 | Flamethrower | 32bit |
| 02:23.41 | Flamethrower | I could run 64, but I lack the experience |
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| 02:24.05 | odla | tarzeau: are you here? |
| 02:24.14 | Flamethrower | Thx dave, I can feel the sympathy :P |
| 02:24.27 | interbird | abrotman: I'm pretty sure it's my configuration and not a Gnome bug, but what the hell it is... |
| 02:24.43 | PerfDave | Flamethrower: Meh, I was young and foolish once too :) |
| 02:24.47 | odla | !seen tarzeau |
| 02:24.47 | Flamethrower | :D |
| 02:24.47 | dpkg | tarzeau is currently on #debian (1d 23h 46m 22s). Has said a total of 432 messages. Is idling for 6h 42m 28s |
| 02:24.53 | Flamethrower | See, I really am young though, 15. |
| 02:24.59 | predius_ | !seen predius_ |
| 02:24.59 | dpkg | predius_ is currently on #debian (7h 30m 4s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | Flamethrower: wget http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-generic_2.6.12-10_amd64.deb && dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-generic_2.6.12-10_amd64.deb |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | interbird: have you tried with a totally new user ? |
| 02:25.27 | Flamethrower | I can't find anything related to devfs, shogunx. |
| 02:25.30 | odla | will i noticed a performance increase if i move from a 386 to 686 kernel image if i have a celeron? |
| 02:25.38 | odla | s noticed/notice |
| 02:25.44 | Guerin | odla: doubtful |
| 02:25.49 | shogunx | in psuedo filesystems |
| 02:25.50 | odla | Guerin: that's what i figured |
| 02:25.54 | Flamethrower | Ok, checking. |
| 02:26.00 | odla | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:26.02 | Gnea | odla: a small bit |
| 02:26.08 | Flamethrower | Relayfs? |
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| 02:26.12 | PerfDave | odla: Probably more if you use libc6-i686 |
| 02:26.17 | str8edge | anyone got 'leet apache 2 mod_proxy skillz? |
| 02:26.19 | str8edge | hehe |
| 02:26.22 | Gnea | odla: nothing ground-breaking, but there is a difference |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | #apache ? |
| 02:26.31 | odla | Gnea: probably not noticeable though? |
| 02:26.34 | shogunx | "/dev file system support (OBSOLETE)" |
| 02:26.35 | Yarou | str8edge: script kiddie much/ |
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| 02:26.41 | Gnea | odla: well i noticed it *shrug* |
| 02:26.44 | str8edge | yarou: hell no.. |
| 02:26.45 | odla | Gnea: i mean debian is going to boot like 30 seconds quicker or something |
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| 02:26.51 | Yarou | you should |
| 02:26.57 | abrotman | odla: no .. more like .5 seconds faster |
| 02:26.57 | Gnea | str8edge: #h4x0rzRuS |
| 02:27.04 | magyar | using "postfix" with db manager? which one would you suggest: postgre or mysql? |
| 02:27.05 | shogunx | olda... linuxbios:) |
| 02:27.08 | odla | abrotman: ok..that's what i figured |
| 02:27.11 | odla | thanks! |
| 02:27.12 | Yarou | then you should learn a real programming language |
| 02:27.14 | str8edge | yarou: why? because I like to talk like an id10t sometimes? |
| 02:27.23 | abrotman | magyar: mysql isn't a database |
| 02:27.23 | Yarou | just curious |
| 02:27.25 | interbird | abrotman: Yes, it does the same, that's why I think it's global. I also installed the same Deb-system on a test-box and that worked fine. Thus, there's a **uck*'n bit that fell over, but where... @#$%^ |
| 02:27.27 | Gnea | odla: i don't know about 30 seconds... maybe 10-20 |
| 02:27.37 | Flamethrower | ./proc file system support, /proc/kcore support, sysfs file sys support, virtual memory fs support, huge tlb fs support, relayfs fs support |
| 02:27.37 | Gnea | odla: try it out and see |
| 02:27.38 | odla | 10-20? really? |
| 02:27.48 | abrotman | interbird: yep .. ask #gnome |
| 02:27.51 | odla | i feel like a gentoobie |
| 02:27.54 | abrotman | interbird: i don't even know how to debug it |
| 02:27.55 | odla | speed...vroom...vroom |
| 02:28.07 | magyar | abrotman, why not? |
| 02:28.13 | Gnea | odla: i used to run a dual celeron system, i squeezed every possible bit of performance out of it that i could on the kernel level - yes, i got it to boot faster |
| 02:28.18 | Flamethrower | shogunx: /proc file system support, /proc/kcore support, sysfs file sys support, virtual memory fs support, huge tlb fs support, relayfs fs support |
| 02:28.33 | Flamethrower | Gnea, I've never heard of a dual celeron system |
| 02:28.35 | Flamethrower | What socket? |
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| 02:28.45 | Yarou | str8edge: xorl much/ |
| 02:28.46 | Coweater | 370 |
| 02:28.48 | shogunx | olda: why not just MPICH your whole netowrk for speed? |
| 02:28.48 | Flamethrower | Dual crap is still crap :/ |
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| 02:28.59 | Gnea | Flamethrower: hehe, abit used to make a motherboard called the BP6, it was the first and one of the very few SMP celeron boards out there |
| 02:29.03 | str8edge | Yarou whats xorl? |
| 02:29.04 | odla | what's the difference between 2.6-686 and 2.6.8-686? |
| 02:29.07 | shogunx | Flamethrower: the BP6 motherboard had dual celerons. |
| 02:29.16 | Flamethrower | Wow, SMP Celeron... scary. It's like having twice as much poo in your tower. |
| 02:29.19 | PerfDave | odla: Look at the package descriptions? :) |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | odla: one is a meta package |
| 02:29.20 | interbird | abrotman: I will. -- There's a stack trace but it did not reveil much of interest to me. I guess it's time to ask the experts at #gnome, thanx ! |
| 02:29.22 | shogunx | :) |
| 02:29.26 | CaT[tm] | odla: the first'll upgrade you to the latest 2.6 kernel. the second to the latest 2.6.8 kernel |
| 02:29.27 | dvs | odla: 2.6-686 points to the latest version |
| 02:29.36 | Gnea | Flamethrower: it was basically a poor-mans SMP - i got the CPU's at about $30/ea and the mobo for around $100 at the time |
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| 02:29.45 | Flamethrower | Wow. |
| 02:29.50 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | Gnea: it's still better than UP systems :) |
| 02:29.54 | Coweater | Flamethrower: not really, they would get 300 celerons, oc them to 450 (100 fsb) and they would beat out the p2s because of on-die cache |
| 02:29.56 | Flamethrower | Even a Xeon would crapcan a celeron. |
| 02:29.58 | odla | which in sarge is 2.6.8-2-686 anyways |
| 02:30.12 | shogunx | there is no dev filesystem in 2.6.14? that must break lots of shit. let me look. i'm looking at a 2.6.12 now. |
| 02:30.19 | Flamethrower | Thx, shogunx. |
| 02:30.24 | Gnea | abrotman: there's an edge for that, but yeah it's better than some - the cool thing is that the system i built is still running strong >:P |
| 02:30.36 | CaT[tm] | shogunx: it went out with 2.6.13 afaik. it's why the debian installer team are having gobs of fun :) |
| 02:30.42 | Flamethrower | Coweater, I've never really heard of celeron being used for cache :/ |
| 02:30.44 | Gnea | Flamethrower: right, but do you know why? |
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| 02:30.48 | abrotman | Flamethrower: i think based on the fact you don't know what PPC and Sparc are .. you're probably not qualified to say whether or not a Xeon could beat SMP Celerons |
| 02:30.59 | abrotman | Gnea: i sold my SMP machine |
| 02:31.00 | Flamethrower | I have an old non-working tower with a 2.7ghz celeron on 100mhz fsb, 128k cache... it's poo. |
| 02:31.08 | Gnea | abrotman: i gave mine to my mother |
| 02:31.19 | Flamethrower | abrotman: based on cache and clockspeeds, as well as benchmarks, a xeon would rape a celeron. |
| 02:31.29 | Flamethrower | Kind of a given due to generation difference, though. |
| 02:31.35 | Coweater | Flamethrower: they had less cache, but at the time pentium 2s didn't have on-die cache, so when you clocked the celeron up it would beat it in most apps |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | Flamethrower: UP sure .. but SMP .. who knows .. though .. i mean Celeron vs Xeon of the same speed |
| 02:31.55 | Gnea | Flamethrower: well, xeons are the cadillacs of the x86 series, but have you seen the price of them? |
| 02:32.00 | Flamethrower | I see. Around that time was when I just got my first box, Pent 133mhz. Got that was fun. |
| 02:32.14 | Flamethrower | Yeah, you hsould just save money and go with something that performs better, aka Opteron. |
| 02:32.27 | Gnea | it all depends upon need and environment |
| 02:32.35 | CaT[tm] | yup |
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| 02:32.44 | abrotman | most people who have opterons underuse them and waste thier money :) |
| 02:32.45 | Flamethrower | I've only seen a thing or two that a xeon could beat an opteron in. Heat output is one. |
| 02:32.48 | Gnea | you don't 'need' a xeon to run openoffice, firefox, some games and irc ;) |
| 02:32.56 | CaT[tm] | no point in getting a chuinky cpu when, for eg, it's disk io that's breaking your server. |
| 02:33.03 | Flamethrower | :D My K8 does it fine. |
| 02:33.14 | Flamethrower | But good point, Gnea. |
| 02:33.16 | Gnea | now, if you were calculating PI, that'd be a different story ;) |
| 02:33.20 | Flamethrower | Haha. |
| 02:33.26 | JRWR | RAMDISK |
| 02:33.30 | shogunx | i'll take an EV7 over a K8 anyday. |
| 02:33.30 | zinx | i 'need' a really nice computer to develop said games on :P |
| 02:33.30 | JRWR | thats what i use |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | RAM |
| 02:33.34 | JRWR | for servers |
| 02:33.42 | Gnea | JRWR: hahaha |
| 02:33.49 | Flamethrower | I plan on just getting a 939 Opteron this spring and replacing my Athlon64 with it. More cache, better overclockability, and I server a lot. |
| 02:33.57 | JRWR | when you have 2 gigs of memery |
| 02:34.03 | JRWR | and 90 meg website |
| 02:34.08 | JRWR | well |
| 02:34.10 | abrotman | Flamethrower: good .. your Firefox will load faster! |
| 02:34.12 | shogunx | the cache is the real bottleneck in most systems. |
| 02:34.23 | dvs | Flamethrower: And throw it out when the M2 socket comes in. |
| 02:34.26 | Flamethrower | Abrotman... I'm a hardcore gamer too. That's why I want the cache. |
| 02:34.27 | CaT[tm] | JRWR: yeah. I'm tempted to go there too. battery backed up ramdisk would do wonders for certain types of workloads. |
| 02:34.30 | JRWR | (CPU) 1-Intel P2 Celeron, 298MHz, 256KB (0% Load) .:. (RAM) usage: 123/192MB (64.06%) .:. (GFX) unknown, (Display) 1024x768/16bit |
| 02:34.30 | Flamethrower | I don't plan on going M2 for a while. |
| 02:34.31 | JRWR | (OS) Windows 98 (4.10 - 2222), (installed for) 1w 2h 3m, (uptime) 1h 39m 46s .:. (HDDs) 1.26GB/2.00GB(63%) free |
| 02:34.37 | JRWR | my server rocks |
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| 02:34.41 | Gnea | Flamethrower: amd makes some decent chips, hopefully the debian amd64 project will have increased support by then |
| 02:34.46 | Flamethrower | I plan on just waiting for 1207,. |
| 02:34.53 | Flamethrower | Yeah, I know what you mean. |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | where do kids get all this damn money? |
| 02:35.02 | JRWR | i whant a 128 bit processor |
| 02:35.05 | shogunx | their parents |
| 02:35.08 | JRWR | from AMD |
| 02:35.10 | Flamethrower | I saw that there was some AMD64 64-bit support and got all giddy, then was pretty shocked to see how much work went into it. |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | did i miss the part of school where you sold your body for computer hardware ? |
| 02:35.15 | Flamethrower | JRWR... don't think there is one. |
| 02:35.27 | Flamethrower | You did miss the part where I said I was a virgin. |
| 02:35.31 | Gnea | abrotman: allowance from rich parents |
| 02:35.33 | JRWR | so am i |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | i don't care if you're a fucking virgin |
| 02:35.44 | Flamethrower | Gnea: My birthday present, 6 mo.s ago. |
| 02:35.53 | Flamethrower | $1700 to build a tower with. |
| 02:35.55 | JRWR | all i own is this laptop |
| 02:36.02 | JRWR | a Ibm 390e |
| 02:36.05 | shogunx | unless you have a serial fellatio device attached to that amd64. then you need to get out more. |
| 02:36.06 | JRWR | thinkpad |
| 02:36.14 | Flamethrower | AMD64 3500+, 6600GT PCI-e, 150gb SATA hdd, nice stuff. |
| 02:36.24 | Flamethrower | serial fellatio? |
| 02:36.26 | JRWR | only 150gig |
| 02:36.34 | Flamethrower | Yeah. |
| 02:36.38 | JRWR | why not a 1TB |
| 02:36.38 | abrotman | shogunx: that's not nice :) |
| 02:36.42 | Flamethrower | I don't plan on using all of 150gigs. |
| 02:36.43 | Gnea | Flamethrower: must be nice. i paid for most of my crap. $2000 for a 486 sx 25, 8 megs ram, 125meg hd back in the day. video card had 1/2meg of ram on it. |
| 02:36.46 | thc | abrotman: what is a "fucking" virgin ? |
| 02:36.52 | Flamethrower | Damn, late 90's? |
| 02:36.55 | thc | i thought virgins don't fuck. |
| 02:37.01 | Gnea | late 80's |
| 02:37.05 | Flamethrower | Jesus. |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | thc: kind of like a catholic preist :) |
| 02:37.13 | Flamethrower | Just read the hdd size.' |
| 02:37.15 | thc | !moo |
| 02:37.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:37.17 | JRWR | i own a IBM ps/2 8086 |
| 02:37.20 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:37.21 | Flamethrower | I had an old Zenith with a bigger HDD. |
| 02:37.29 | JRWR | had a 10meg HD |
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| 02:37.34 | JRWR | and 2 megs of ram |
| 02:37.37 | Gnea | Flamethrower: the market scaled FAST |
| 02:37.45 | Flamethrower | I can see :/ |
| 02:37.48 | JRWR | a wopping 5mhz processor |
| 02:37.53 | Flamethrower | :P |
| 02:37.56 | Flamethrower | The zenith was 90mhz |
| 02:37.57 | Gnea | JRWR: oooo |
| 02:38.04 | shogunx | i got my first computer for x-mas one year. a 64K Tandy Color Computer with audio tape drive and RF modulator for the TV. It kicked the Atari 2600 off the TV, as the 2600 kicked off the pong cosole before it. |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | Gnea: that was really your first ? |
| 02:38.07 | JRWR | with 60k of video ram |
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| 02:38.09 | Gnea | big upgrade from 2.5mhz lol |
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| 02:38.18 | Flamethrower | :P |
| 02:38.19 | Gnea | abrotman: the first that i personally owned. |
| 02:38.22 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:38.25 | JRWR | I OWN A TRS-80 |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | DO YOU? |
| 02:38.41 | Gnea | abrotman: TI99/4A was the first computer we really had |
| 02:38.45 | dvs | JRWR: My Vic-20 is better |
| 02:38.47 | Flamethrower | I have an old Vector 8000 that I'd get bored and play disks off 5.5" floppies on. |
| 02:38.50 | Flamethrower | 5.25, whatever. |
| 02:38.51 | JRWR | i really own a CoCo3 128k of ram and its runs a a whole 1.5672354632342 mhz |
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| 02:39.04 | abrotman | Gnea: i had a crappy apple :) |
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| 02:39.09 | JRWR | lol |
| 02:39.20 | JRWR | i do own a g3 apple |
| 02:39.21 | Gnea | abrotman: dude, i used to go to the library JUST to use the apple II+ :) |
| 02:39.24 | shogunx | i have a dual PI 133 Zenith. |
| 02:39.24 | JRWR | CRT ones |
| 02:39.32 | JRWR | lol |
| 02:39.35 | Gnea | they had more games on 5.25 floppies |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | Gnea: this was an Apple //e |
| 02:39.43 | JRWR | my DUEL SLOT A IS THE BOMB |
| 02:39.43 | Gnea | oooo |
| 02:39.46 | Gnea | you had the 3.5 |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | Gnea: no |
| 02:39.56 | Flamethrower | :D Old times. |
| 02:39.58 | Gnea | abrotman: 3d tetris? :) |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | Gnea: those were optional :) |
| 02:40.02 | Flamethrower | I don't remember those days. |
| 02:40.02 | JRWR | lol |
| 02:40.04 | shogunx | Tandy sold the games on cartridges. The bastards. |
| 02:40.05 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | Gnea: MS QBasic card |
| 02:40.10 | JRWR | yep |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | Gnea: it still runs .. it's at my friend's house |
| 02:40.18 | JRWR | i have about 5 of them |
| 02:40.21 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 02:40.22 | JRWR | the cess one is hard |
| 02:40.23 | Flamethrower | If you could have any components for a rig... what would they be? |
| 02:40.25 | JRWR | chess |
| 02:40.33 | Gnea | Flamethrower: i'd start with a rack |
| 02:40.37 | JRWR | a Brain |
| 02:40.51 | JRWR | then a Bio-interface |
| 02:40.51 | Flamethrower | 5 parts, tower/case excluded. Pick. |
| 02:41.05 | JRWR | and thats it |
| 02:41.07 | shogunx | About 20 full Alphaserver ES40's. And only a serial console;) |
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| 02:41.15 | JRWR | it will kick any computers ass |
| 02:41.16 | Flamethrower | :P |
| 02:41.25 | Gnea | i would actually take the time to R&D how many BTX systems i could fit within 1U and go from there ;) |
| 02:41.27 | JRWR | i whanted to ask this |
| 02:41.33 | Flamethrower | Lol, Gnea |
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| 02:41.58 | JRWR | Is switching to debian from win2k a good idea for a small webserver |
| 02:41.58 | Gnea | or, if my employer was extra generous, get a few 8-way Opterons |
| 02:42.05 | Gnea | each dualcore |
| 02:42.13 | JRWR | i whant a SUN worksation |
| 02:42.20 | Gnea | JRWR: want mine? |
| 02:42.23 | JRWR | ok |
| 02:42.24 | Flamethrower | 1) Athlon64 FX57, 2) GeForce 7800GTX 512mb, 3) GeForce 7800GTX 512mb, 4) Cascade phase change cooling for oc'ing, 5) 32" plasma monitor |
| 02:42.26 | JRWR | sure |
| 02:42.34 | Flamethrower | Mmm |
| 02:42.35 | Gnea | it's a sparcstation5 :) |
| 02:42.38 | Flamethrower | 16 core opteron rig |
| 02:42.40 | JRWR | cool! |
| 02:42.40 | Flamethrower | *drool* |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | Gnea: i don't think they make those yet |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | JRWR: anysystem.com |
| 02:43.00 | Flamethrower | They've got them, there's an 8-socket Tyan board, able to take 8 dual-core opterons |
| 02:43.02 | Gnea | abrotman: oh but they do - iwill |
| 02:43.03 | shogunx | if you would have told me that i would have sold you a 12 way sun enterprise 3500 last week |
| 02:43.08 | interbird | abrotman: I also have a minor prob with udev, can you perhaps shed some light on that ? -- udev wants to connect to ldap, but ldap is not running yet... I'm not sure why udev wants that... |
| 02:43.11 | abrotman | Gnea: okeedokee |
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| 02:43.31 | JRWR | omg |
| 02:43.32 | JRWR | Sun Enterprise E420R - 450MHz x 2/ 2 GB/ 36GB/ CD |
| 02:43.33 | JRWR | pad |
| 02:43.33 | JRWR | New Sun Price: $34,975.00 |
| 02:43.33 | JRWR | Refurbished AnySystem Price: $595.00 |
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| 02:43.42 | abrotman | interbird: udev is retarded .. it's documented at http://216.239.37.147/ |
| 02:43.46 | Gnea | abrotman, Flamethrower: http://www.leadcomp.com/product_details_parts.asp?PRID=4600 |
| 02:43.47 | Elly | hey guys, where is the Xen package? aptitude can't find it |
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| 02:44.01 | abrotman | Elly: apt-get.org |
| 02:44.08 | JRWR | ... |
| 02:44.27 | Gnea | !xen |
| 02:44.27 | dpkg | methinks xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. in plain english for morons, it's yet another virtual machineriser |
| 02:44.32 | interbird | abrotman: I thought devfs was? Whats the alternative to udev ? back to basics ? |
| 02:44.34 | abrotman | JRWR: anysystem.com |
| 02:44.35 | Flamethrower | Correct me if I'm wrong |
| 02:44.36 | JRWR | why does a SUN worksation cost SO MUCH |
| 02:44.42 | abrotman | interbird: no .. really i don't know |
| 02:44.47 | Flamethrower | But why the hell would you use Intel chipset things on an AMD64 system? |
| 02:44.50 | Flamethrower | It's just supid |
| 02:44.51 | Flamethrower | stupid |
| 02:44.52 | interbird | kee |
| 02:44.53 | thc | JRWR: no one cares. don't paste that garbage in here. |
| 02:45.08 | Gnea | Flamethrower: see, these days, corporations collide and build off of each other |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | JRWR: http://www.anysystem.com/desktops.html |
| 02:45.14 | interbird | oops: kee means Okay :-) |
| 02:45.30 | wang | ... |
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| 02:45.33 | abrotman | interbird: is ldap used for auth ? |
| 02:45.34 | Flamethrower | I thought Intel and AMD were fucking cutthroat to eachother :s |
| 02:45.37 | Flamethrower | Yeah, they are |
| 02:45.48 | Flamethrower | something about being eachother's biggest competition |
| 02:45.50 | interbird | abrotman: yes |
| 02:45.58 | Gnea | competition is fuel for innovation |
| 02:46.04 | abrotman | interbird: that might be a good reason |
| 02:46.10 | Flamethrower | This is true, but also fuel for rising CPU costs |
| 02:46.17 | Flamethrower | See FX57 |
| 02:46.19 | Gnea | that's just a constant |
| 02:46.33 | shogunx | Gnea: somethimes it is. others it is a means to kill innovation. |
| 02:46.33 | JRWR | drools |
| 02:46.34 | Flamethrower | Ok, so in 10 years I'll hav eto rob fort knox to buy the top-of-the-line Gamer cpu? |
| 02:46.35 | JRWR | 64 CPUs, 64 GB of shared memory, and more than 100 TB of storage, |
| 02:46.45 | Flamethrower | How the fuck is that possible |
| 02:46.45 | Gnea | new technology will always drive a high cost since it's on-the-edge and not really tested yet |
| 02:47.01 | Gnea | how are you gonna support something you don't know much about? |
| 02:47.04 | Flamethrower | 64cpu's is a wet dream to a cpu designer |
| 02:47.09 | Elly | uhh |
| 02:47.09 | Flamethrower | Good point, Gnea |
| 02:47.12 | interbird | abrotman: Yes, that must be it ! Thanx man !! |
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| 02:47.17 | Elly | I bet that thing uses megawatts per hour |
| 02:47.19 | wang | earl grey tea tastes like ass |
| 02:47.26 | Flamethrower | Megawatts per minute |
| 02:47.29 | Gnea | Elly: gigawatts? ;) |
| 02:47.34 | Flamethrower | Soemthing like that :D |
| 02:47.39 | shogunx | elly: unless you use an n-machine to power it. |
| 02:47.46 | Flamethrower | Fuck that |
| 02:47.46 | Gnea | hahah |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | interbird: maybe email the udev maintainer and ask ? |
| 02:48.15 | Flamethrower | The heat from this baby will power them |
| 02:48.16 | wang | easy there cletus |
| 02:48.22 | shogunx | you frying eggs over there flamethrower? |
| 02:48.23 | Elly | apt-get.org has nothing on Xen |
| 02:48.24 | Elly | :( |
| 02:48.30 | wang | haha |
| 02:48.32 | interbird | abrotman: When I know for sure it's not me :-) |
| 02:48.33 | Flamethrower | Lol |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | iirc .. IBM has a regatta class that goes up to 72CPUs .. not sure if Sun has something with more CPUs or not |
| 02:48.35 | Gnea | ;) |
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| 02:48.52 | Flamethrower | I wanna see what happens when someone tries to run a high-clock PIV prescott with no heatspreader |
| 02:49.00 | Elly | heh |
| 02:49.04 | shogunx | you can always cluster smp machines also. hence blue gene. |
| 02:49.07 | sky0 | interbird: just guessing (I don't know udev), but do you have fallback entry "file" in your /etc/nsswitch.conf? I mean if udev wants to set device ownership, it needs to lookup ids; those should better be in a file, because the ldap server will only start later. |
| 02:49.07 | Elly | no dude |
| 02:49.21 | Elly | you want to see someone running a 3.8ghz Paxville with no heat spreader |
| 02:49.22 | Elly | :) |
| 02:49.26 | Gnea | you wanna see what happens when a shred of metal accellerates toward the speed of sound toward your neck? |
| 02:49.29 | Flamethrower | :twisted: |
| 02:49.30 | abrotman | oh .. looks like Sun does it too |
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| 02:49.50 | Flamethrower | I wonder if Intel finally realized the Itanic sank |
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| 02:49.59 | Flamethrower | Probably used the iceberg it sank on to cool the Paxville |
| 02:49.59 | abrotman | no .. they still market it |
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| 02:50.12 | Flamethrower | Itanic is dying, will die. |
| 02:50.34 | Flamethrower | I read a few places that they've hushed up the original launches to try and get it right on the next one :/ |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | maybe .. just like every other RISC cpu .. then intel will own us all |
| 02:50.36 | shogunx | hope that the alpha lives, cause its greased everything around it for years. |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | alpha is dead |
| 02:50.51 | shogunx | not yet its not. |
| 02:50.54 | Flamethrower | Not true, AMD will always be there |
| 02:50.58 | magyar | sarge comes with "exim" as the mta. Is there reason why? |
| 02:51.00 | Flamethrower | As it's proving, and even gaining on intel |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | they are selling the last of the alpha series now .. get it if you want one .. it will be gone in a few years |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | magyar: flipped a coin .. exchange lost |
| 02:51.26 | magyar | ehehhe |
| 02:51.30 | shogunx | you think too little of HP abrotman. they are not s stupid as to not make an ev8 |
| 02:51.36 | sky0 | interbird: correct keyword is "files", sorry |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | shogunx: really .. HP has decided to euthanize Alpha |
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| 02:51.52 | Flamethrower | someone should euthanize NetBurst :/ |
| 02:51.53 | shogunx | thats not what I heard, but what do I know;) |
| 02:51.59 | interbird | sky0: Yeah, I guess it's somewhere there, but file comes first and then ldap. But I must admit I just got ldap to authentices without a long wait -- so it's not setup too good. |
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| 02:52.12 | abrotman | shogunx: really .. go read .. HP has killed the alpha line in favor of PA-RISC and itanium(which ithink they now dropped) .. they also killed Tru64 .. which was also a mistake |
| 02:52.19 | interbird | sky0: But I think the prob lies there somewhere; thx ! |
| 02:52.32 | Flamethrower | Yeah, but have you noticed that HP is starting to sell Opti rigs? |
| 02:52.32 | imex | need some help on sound blaster pci128 |
| 02:52.41 | shogunx | i know folks still churning the ev8 fire with new development. |
| 02:52.44 | dvs | imex: ens1371 |
| 02:52.57 | imex | it sounds like it sees the card but cant use in X |
| 02:53.00 | shogunx | really. |
| 02:53.00 | Flamethrower | Even Dell is starting to sell some AMD rigs |
| 02:53.06 | Flamethrower | Few, but they're selling. |
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| 02:53.34 | abrotman | shogunx: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/planning2005.html |
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| 02:53.42 | abrotman | shogunx: better start saving |
| 02:53.44 | Flamethrower | With more and more people learnign what they're really buying, Intel can't just get by on a good market record anymore |
| 02:53.45 | sky0 | interbird: files first is probably even better; you could try to change the order just to be sure, but I don't it'll help. |
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| 02:54.08 | shogunx | abrotman I can't send you any links, I just know who/what I know;) |
| 02:54.09 | Elly | why doesn't debian have packages for ANYTHING |
| 02:54.23 | shogunx | apt-get install ANYTHING? |
| 02:54.24 | crash3m_ | because you havent added good sources? |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | shogunx: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/announce/ |
| 02:54.26 | Flamethrower | Elly |
| 02:54.29 | Flamethrower | Add sources |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | shogunx: you are wrong |
| 02:54.35 | zinx | Elly: maybe no one has made a package for ANYTHING, or maybe ANYTHING is not free according to the dfsg |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | shogunx: HP has killed the line |
| 02:54.45 | ScreaminIke | anyone know where i can get aimsniff in a repository? |
| 02:54.45 | shogunx | abrotman believe what you choose. |
| 02:54.54 | ScreaminIke | or could someone talk me through it? |
| 02:55.06 | Flamethrower | Think we'll see K9 on M2 or 1207? |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | shogunx: ok . you can either read news releases from HP . .or continue lying to people |
| 02:55.11 | Elly | Flamethrower: how does a distro this big not have packages for xen or openvz or ... |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | shogunx: you're 100% wrong |
| 02:55.28 | Flamethrower | Elly, just add a source. www.google.com is your friend. |
| 02:55.30 | shogunx | not lying. know things that don't reach the old interweb. |
| 02:55.43 | interbird | sky0: I have file first but there's more to ldap than nsswitch, but these are good clou's. |
| 02:55.52 | imex | any1 had experience installing sb pci128 to sarge |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | shogunx: according to all those news releases .. Alpha will be dead within a year .. |
| 02:56.03 | dvs | !ne1 |
| 02:56.03 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 02:56.17 | shogunx | abrotman been hearing that since 2000 |
| 02:56.27 | abrotman | shogunx: oh .. so instead of reading .. you keep spreading lies ? |
| 02:56.51 | Flamethrower | To be fair, According to Intel, the Xeon wtfpwn3d the Opteron, but we all know that isn't true. |
| 02:57.12 | shogunx | as i said, believe what you want. i have read those releases. and i have talked to some other folks in labs. if they will sell it or not, through Hp or not, who knows. but its being made, for sure. |
| 02:57.50 | Flamethrower | To whoever said I should use that 2.6.12 etch kernel |
| 02:57.51 | Flamethrower | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-generic_2.6.12-10_amd64.deb (--install): |
| 02:57.51 | Flamethrower | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.51 | Flamethrower | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:57.51 | Flamethrower | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.51 | abrotman | shogunx: go ask #alpha |
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| 02:58.05 | Flamethrower | I really wish I could paste all that as 1 line |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:58.17 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 02:58.25 | Flamethrower | Hey, paste taste good. Yum. |
| 03:00.04 | Flamethrower | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1224 <-- Someone please read and tell me how to fix this mess Guerin has me in |
| 03:00.19 | shogunx | hmm.. Flamethrower, it looks like no devfs. something in your boot sequence calls something in /dev and its none too happy about it. |
| 03:00.33 | Flamethrower | I know that, shogun. |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | Flamethrower: uname -a |
| 03:00.38 | Flamethrower | I meant about the arch mismatch |
| 03:00.54 | Flamethrower | Linux 12-216-115-159 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Thu May 19 18:03:29 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:00.55 | shogunx | so most of that was migrated to sysfs, correct? |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | ah .. that makes more sense |
| 03:01.01 | Flamethrower | No clue. |
| 03:01.02 | shogunx | the /dev functions? |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | shogunx: no .. |
| 03:01.30 | shogunx | where was it put abrotman? |
| 03:01.35 | Flamethrower | abrotman, what do I do now? :s I'd like to have sound working by the end of the night |
| 03:01.39 | abrotman | Flamethrower: hold on |
| 03:01.42 | Flamethrower | Thx a ton. |
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| 03:02.22 | Wizee | any1 have a clue y i cant use the sb pci 128 |
| 03:02.28 | Wizee | with sarge |
| 03:02.37 | Flamethrower | It's older than the dirt I walk on? |
| 03:02.37 | abrotman | Flamethrower: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7_2.6.12-10_i386.deb && dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 03:02.39 | Tortel | !ne1 |
| 03:02.39 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 03:02.45 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 03:02.46 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | !y |
| 03:02.47 | dpkg | from memory, y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 03:03.09 | Gnea | Wizee: kernel doesn't support it probably |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | Gnea: it should |
| 03:03.35 | Wizee | anyone can help me installing sb pci 128 on sarge? |
| 03:03.57 | Flamethrower | Kernel recompile :/ |
| 03:03.59 | Wizee | it seems to be able to see the chipset |
| 03:04.24 | Gnea | !google debian sarge sb pc 128 |
| 03:04.29 | dpkg | Google says debian sarge sb pc 128 is at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203147&perpage=15&pagenumber=5 or http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203147 or http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/203147 or http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203147&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 or http://www.geocities.com/rburra/acx100howto.html |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | pci |
| 03:04.38 | sky0 | where are the docs on naming convention again? Or why is a k7 optimized kernel postfixed with i386? |
| 03:05.06 | zinx | sky0: o_O |
| 03:05.09 | Wizee | i am heading there that is fast |
| 03:05.28 | Flamethrower | abrotman: Should I just reboot into that kernel? |
| 03:05.49 | abrotman | Flamethrower: did it install ? |
| 03:05.53 | Flamethrower | Yes |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | did you pray ? |
| 03:06.02 | Flamethrower | Doing so now :s |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | !bless Flamethrower |
| 03:06.09 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Flamethrower, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:06.29 | shogunx | Flamethrower: giving up on the compile? |
| 03:06.31 | abrotman | just wait 2 minutes til you're cursing |
| 03:06.38 | Flamethrower | Won't take that long. Brb. |
| 03:06.54 | abrotman | bets anyone ? |
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| 03:07.22 | shogunx | on whether that box boots now? |
| 03:07.31 | abrotman | whether sound works |
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| 03:07.54 | odla | gentoosmite dpkg |
| 03:07.57 | shogunx | if the module and the userspace are there... no reason no. |
| 03:07.57 | odla | !gentoosmite dpkg |
| 03:08.37 | abrotman | shogunx: you're assuming alsa is setup |
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| 03:08.58 | shogunx | ya... thats why i said userspace. |
| 03:10.05 | abrotman | apparently either her machine wasn't k8 .. or her install was screwed up some how |
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| 03:10.20 | Flamethrower | THAT'S JUST FUCKING ASS TASTIC |
| 03:10.26 | Flamethrower | SOUND WORKS, BUT NO VIDEO BECAUSE OF GOD DAMN RIVAFB SUPPORT |
| 03:10.47 | shogunx | you can use the vesa interface. |
| 03:10.51 | Flamethrower | Not for nvidia driver |
| 03:10.52 | abrotman | you need rivafb to have X ? |
| 03:11.11 | Flamethrower | I can't compile nvidia drivers with rivafb support built into the kernel |
| 03:11.18 | Flamethrower | I need nvidia drivers for my gaming |
| 03:11.29 | Flamethrower | Kinda logical, nvidia drivers on a GeForce 6600GT |
| 03:11.29 | Tortel | UT demo? |
| 03:11.31 | abrotman | i don't understand what rivafb has to do with X |
| 03:11.33 | shogunx | the nv driver or nvidia driver? 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Mo |
| 03:11.34 | shogunx | el 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15) |
| 03:11.38 | Flamethrower | nvidia |
| 03:11.41 | shogunx | running with vesa now. |
| 03:11.51 | Flamethrower | nvidia drivers needed for 3d acceleration on nvidia cards |
| 03:11.55 | shogunx | boo. proprietary binary kernel. |
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| 03:12.03 | shogunx | i know. 3d games look bad w/o it. |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | !tell fc466 about root |
| 03:12.19 | Flamethrower | 0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2) |
| 03:12.28 | abrotman | ok .. wtf does rivafb have to do with DRI ? |
| 03:12.30 | Gnea | Flamethrower: calm down, you can use the vesa fb driver with the nvidia drivers - it's a known issue that rivafb is not compatible |
| 03:12.41 | abrotman | this is why i don't use nvidia garbage |
| 03:12.51 | Flamethrower | yes, but with support built into the kernel, the nvidia drivers will not compile |
| 03:13.01 | Flamethrower | I'd have to recompile the kernel and leave out rivafb from what I've heared |
| 03:13.17 | Gnea | that's right |
| 03:13.35 | Flamethrower | I just got this to avoid another failed recompile..... |
| 03:13.40 | shogunx | orafu, if rivafb loads as a module... |
| 03:13.53 | Flamethrower | The compiler says built into kernel. |
| 03:13.59 | Gnea | Flamethrower: the only way to learn linux is to do. |
| 03:14.04 | Flamethrower | I know. |
| 03:14.12 | shogunx | gnea is right. |
| 03:14.17 | Flamethrower | Damn, I was hoping to fucking have working sound AND video before I logged for the night. |
| 03:14.33 | Flamethrower | Since I have no fucking clue how to fix my failed kernel compiles, I'm getting bent over the minibar. |
| 03:14.46 | Gnea | dude, just recompile without the rivafb, the subject has already been pounded into the ground years ago |
| 03:14.52 | Flamethrower | Gnea, I know |
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| 03:15.00 | Flamethrower | Recompiles __do__not__work__ |
| 03:15.06 | shogunx | ok, you can get the source to the kernel you just installed. |
| 03:15.07 | Flamethrower | __will_not_boot__ |
| 03:15.07 | zinx | hah |
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| 03:15.14 | Flamethrower | 2.6.12? |
| 03:15.15 | Gnea | then you need to reconfigure it |
| 03:15.19 | abrotman | Gnea: kernel-fu not strong with Flamethrower .. shit no workie |
| 03:15.20 | zinx | Flamethrower: __problem_exists_between_keyboard_and_chair__ |
| 03:15.27 | Gnea | abrotman: i noticed |
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| 03:15.42 | servus | Flamethrower: Trying to compile a custom Debian kernel? Did you make deb-pkg and then dpkg -i it? |
| 03:15.43 | Flamethrower | zinx, try my empty bank of linux info in my brain |
| 03:15.45 | Gnea | Flamethrower: another solution is to step away from the computer for awhile - go make a pizza or something :) |
| 03:15.49 | Flamethrower | Yes, servus |
| 03:15.58 | Flamethrower | Gnea, I could grab another mt.dew, but that's about it. |
| 03:16.03 | servus | And? |
| 03:16.08 | Flamethrower | The kernels will not boot |
| 03:16.21 | servus | How descriptive. |
| 03:16.32 | Flamethrower | VFS: Cannot open root device "sda3" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 03:16.42 | Flamethrower | Please append a correct "root=" boot option. |
| 03:16.45 | Gnea | what's sda3? |
| 03:16.49 | servus | Are you using grub or lilo? |
| 03:16.50 | Gnea | is that a sata drive? |
| 03:16.53 | Flamethrower | Yes, gnea. |
| 03:16.55 | Flamethrower | Yes, servus. |
| 03:16.56 | Flamethrower | Grub |
| 03:16.57 | predius_ | Flamethrower: .14? |
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| 03:17.02 | shogunx | Flamethrower if you use the source for your current kernel, and don't change anything, then recompile, you will get the package maintainers .config. |
| 03:17.08 | Flamethrower | unsure, predius. |
| 03:17.12 | Gnea | did you compile sata support for your chipset into the kernel with the proper scsi? |
| 03:17.14 | shogunx | and the same kernel. |
| 03:17.17 | predius_ | I get that too. |
| 03:17.18 | shogunx | which works. |
| 03:17.21 | servus | Flamethrower: Edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the new kernel's settings to match the old, working kernel. |
| 03:17.23 | predius_ | ide drive. |
| 03:17.24 | odla | wow kde3.5 has some new nice features |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | Gnea: give up now |
| 03:17.34 | shogunx | and it will work also when you only remove rivafb |
| 03:17.34 | Flamethrower | Servus, I haven't had to, it does that on the kernel install. |
| 03:17.38 | servus | Do it. |
| 03:17.46 | servus | Confirm that it did things correctly. |
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| 03:17.48 | Gnea | Flamethrower: do the dew. |
| 03:17.52 | Flamethrower | They're identical except for different kernels. |
| 03:17.54 | Flamethrower | Good idea, brb |
| 03:18.00 | covux | odla: where do you get kde 3.5 for debian? |
| 03:18.00 | Gnea | abrotman: ;) |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | covux: ask #debian-kde |
| 03:18.26 | |XO| | whats the command to delete files when deleting them by using rm * doesnt work because of too many args |
| 03:18.27 | |XO| | ? |
| 03:18.39 | Flamethrower | *sigh* back |
| 03:18.49 | abrotman | |XO|: there are too many files ? |
| 03:19.02 | Flamethrower | Gnea, I'm unsure what to enable for SATA support on nForce4 SATA. |
| 03:19.19 | |XO| | abrotman yeea |
| 03:19.41 | Flamethrower | Shogunx, what do you mean about using the 2.6.8 source, recompiling, and changing nothing? |
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| 03:20.01 | shogunx | normie, because 2.6.8 does not support your sound. |
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| 03:20.04 | abrotman | |XO|: you could do a script like for loop thingie .. |
| 03:20.14 | abrotman | |XO|: does unlink also have the problem ? |
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| 03:20.16 | collink | does anyone know anything about installing GRUB? |
| 03:20.32 | Gnea | Flamethrower: go xconfig again and check under device drivers for SCSI support |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | probably .. just ask |
| 03:20.37 | shogunx | Flamethrower: i mean the 2.6.12 that works with your sound. |
| 03:20.46 | CoffeeIV | what is the best debian package for running a pop server for virtual domains ? |
| 03:20.52 | sky0 | |XO|: "ls | xargs rm" might work; are you sure it is not a problem of freaky filenames |
| 03:20.56 | Gnea | !best |
| 03:20.57 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 03:21.06 | collink | okay, well I don't use debian, but it's my second choice and the people in #gentoo and #grub are being douches |
| 03:21.13 | abrotman | Gnea: hey .. he was pretty specific :) |
| 03:21.14 | Gnea | CoffeeIV: actually, dovecot does it |
| 03:21.16 | Flamethrower | Following two people is hard. I don't think I have the 2.6.12 source, just the kernel. I have the source for 2.6.14 which will work if I config it right, it has the ca0106 option. |
| 03:21.19 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 03:21.26 | Flamethrower | Lemme go make xconfig... |
| 03:21.26 | |XO| | skx0 im sure |
| 03:21.29 | |XO| | let me try that |
| 03:21.33 | abrotman | collink: how are they being douches ? |
| 03:21.37 | odla | covux: i don't have it...i was just looking on the website...you can probably get it from that alioth website though |
| 03:21.39 | abrotman | collink: and did you try ##linux ? |
| 03:21.43 | CoffeeIV | Gnea: I'll go read about dovecot . . . |
| 03:21.49 | Ries | Hey all, for apache2, is there any rule where I need to put my rewriteCond and rewriteRule lines, I cannot make it to work.... no error not nothing, nada.... |
| 03:21.55 | collink | abrotman, #grub is full of ppl but dead |
| 03:22.03 | abrotman | collink: yeah .. carbomb |
| 03:22.11 | shogunx | Flamethrower: correct. you can get the source for that 2.6.12 debian package kernel also. |
| 03:22.15 | collink | abrotman, and the ppl in #gentoo aren't being helpful |
| 03:22.28 | abrotman | collink: you should sooo install debian! :) |
| 03:22.30 | covux | odla: k. i wait for sid packages |
| 03:22.31 | |XO| | sky0 i did 'find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm' which works :) |
| 03:22.32 | Ries | I currently put these in a conf file in sites-available, symlink is ok and mod_rewrite is added |
| 03:22.39 | shogunx | Flamethrower: its the right idea to fix your 2.6.14 tho;) |
| 03:22.40 | Flamethrower | Shogunx, I can, but don't know where to look. I'll use 2.6.14 since I have it. |
| 03:22.48 | Flamethrower | Thx |
| 03:22.54 | shogunx | you learn more that way. |
| 03:22.55 | Flamethrower | Finally I've started something semi-right |
| 03:23.15 | abrotman | hey guess what .. the Eagles SUCK |
| 03:23.19 | Flamethrower | Alright, shogun, can we go to another channel? I'ma need a lot of help with this config and dun wanna spam the hell out of #debian? |
| 03:23.20 | collink | abrotman, I used to use it...but I've been converted |
| 03:23.26 | Flamethrower | #debian. * |
| 03:23.33 | abrotman | collink: too bad the support sucks in #gentoo :) |
| 03:23.42 | collink | abrotman, for real! |
| 03:23.45 | odla | covux: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5-rc1 ./ |
| 03:23.45 | gravity | Wow, since when is #gentoo a bad place to get support? |
| 03:24.00 | collink | since they just totally ignore what you say |
| 03:24.00 | Gnea | !flood |
| 03:24.00 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | gravity: we have our sunday .. they have monday :) |
| 03:24.03 | sky0 | |XO|: if you use "find" you could also use the "-exec rm {} \; " instead of piping into xargs; both work around the param-number limit; ashes on the head of the "rm" maintainer :-( |
| 03:24.06 | gravity | abrotman: Right :-) |
| 03:24.11 | gravity | The moons shift with the distros |
| 03:24.22 | Flamethrower | Shogun, I'd have to register. |
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| 03:24.40 | |XO| | sky0 thanks |
| 03:25.05 | collink | do you guys know what '/dev/cloop' is? |
| 03:25.09 | Flamethrower | How do I register on this IRC so I can send PM's? |
| 03:25.10 | shogunx | Flamethrower #damnkernel |
| 03:25.22 | sky0 | ups; I take that back, it is bash, not rm. |
| 03:25.29 | abrotman | gravity: that's why we hired you! |
| 03:25.36 | abrotman | dpkg: what does gravity pay you for |
| 03:25.36 | dpkg | normally gravity begs for unspeakably disgusting actions, abrotman, but I've really had enough... |
| 03:25.36 | collink | Flamethrower, "/msg NickServ register <password> |
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| 03:25.44 | gravity | Sweet |
| 03:26.00 | Flamethrower | Ahh, /ns register |
| 03:26.19 | collink | yeah that works too |
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| 03:26.34 | servus | !moo |
| 03:26.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:27.56 | magyar | need your input i've been using UW for pop/imap now i need to switch, got three choices (dovecot-cyrus-courier). Can someone help a brother? |
| 03:28.27 | magyar | will need to auth againstr a db |
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| 03:29.26 | abrotman | magyar: people still use uw ? |
| 03:29.38 | magyar | thats me |
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| 03:30.01 | Epix | Interesting error: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 03:30.17 | Epix | And, e2fsprogs is very very important... |
| 03:30.21 | abrotman | magyar: i heard there's another in nepal |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 03:30.27 | dpkg | e2fsprogs loop is, like, you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:30.28 | dondelelcaro | Epix: first upgrade to stable. Then upgrade to unstable or testing or whatever you're running. |
| 03:30.49 | magyar | abrotman, thats me |
| 03:30.55 | Epix | dondelelcaro: is there a new stable out? upgrade guide? |
| 03:32.06 | dondelelcaro | Epix: if sarge is new, yes. See the release notes, or simply perl -pi -e 's/woody/sarge/' /etc/apt/sources/list; aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; |
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| 03:32.21 | abrotman | sources.list ? |
| 03:32.31 | dondelelcaro | errr... yeah. |
| 03:32.33 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
| 03:32.44 | dondelelcaro | the / key was getting too much of a workout |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | it's ok .. you're just slash happy |
| 03:33.12 | Epix | dondelelcaro: but, im running sarge and im on testing... |
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| 03:34.09 | dondelelcaro | Epix: sarge has released. Change testing to sarge; run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; then change your sources.list to testing again if you want to run etch. |
| 03:34.52 | ecliptik | is it possible to have a 32-bit sarge install and then do an apt-get dist-upgrade to a 64-bit sarge? |
| 03:35.09 | abrotman | ecliptik: i would think no .. get clarification from #debian-amd64 |
| 03:35.34 | ecliptik | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:35.43 | Epix | dondelelcaro: what about testing/updates |
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| 03:37.09 | Epix | dondelelcaro: what do i change that to? |
| 03:37.22 | dondelelcaro | Epix: just comment that out. |
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| 03:38.08 | wang | i got a headache |
| 03:38.11 | wang | and it's not a tuma |
| 03:38.27 | interbird | Gonna go flat to escape the man with the hammer -- thanx abrotman & sky0 -- later... |
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| 03:39.22 | abrotman | i'd like to point out the .. the Eagles still suck |
| 03:39.34 | wang | you suck |
| 03:39.44 | Epix | how do i get out of a scren and leave the process running? |
| 03:39.46 | Epix | screen*( |
| 03:39.49 | wang | don henly could take you |
| 03:39.57 | abrotman | nohup ? |
| 03:40.08 | wang | control+a+d |
| 03:40.14 | abrotman | Epix: using 'screen' or something else ? |
| 03:40.19 | jbroome | good thing they suspended TO |
| 03:40.28 | wang | control+a&d |
| 03:40.29 | Epix | abrotman: using screen |
| 03:40.46 | wang | control |
| 03:40.47 | wang | plus |
| 03:40.48 | wang | a |
| 03:40.48 | wang | and |
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| 03:40.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:40.58 | wang | pshaw |
| 03:41.05 | Epix | And hod do i reattach? |
| 03:41.10 | wang | screen -r |
| 03:41.16 | wang | man screen |
| 03:41.17 | wang | holy crap. |
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| 03:41.54 | jbroome | one more line! |
| 03:42.03 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 03:42.15 | wang | to label screen sessions use screen -S EXAMPLE: screen -S freenode BitchX nickname irc.debian.org |
| 03:42.25 | jbroome | didn't he get auto kicked for four lines in a row? that was funny |
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| 03:42.40 | abrotman | jbroome: it's four lines in a certain amount of time |
| 03:42.40 | wang | then you would do, screen -r freenode |
| 03:42.49 | wang | jbroome : your mom goes to college |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | or you could man screen and read all about it! |
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| 03:46.18 | deadcat | i am trying to get pppoeconf to work with sbcglobal.net, we have static ip. but its not working for me. any ideas? |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:46.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:46.25 | Epix | do i reboot after distupgrade? |
| 03:46.41 | shogunx | !cruft |
| 03:46.41 | dpkg | cruft is, like, a program which allows one to Find any cruft built up on your system, or defined recursively in terms of "cruft" |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | probably should .. |
| 03:46.50 | deadcat | i have provider dsl-provider in the eth1 section in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:49.52 | magyar | deadcat: is it pppoe or ppp-bridge? |
| 03:50.19 | deadcat | magyar: just pppoe, we have a static ip. but when i run pppoeconf it didnt ask me to enter ip |
| 03:50.49 | magyar | deadcat, you dont have to, if it's pppoe |
| 03:51.15 | magyar | deadcat, it will always assign the same ip |
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| 03:52.05 | magyar | deadcat, did they give you "username" & "password"? |
| 03:52.07 | deadcat | magyar: i set that in /etc/network/interfaces right? do i also need the option provider dsl-provider there? |
| 03:52.15 | levander | Anybody know a good book apart how the essential pieces of software in a Linux system are architected? Would just be nice to have an overview of things like the kernel and it's modules, X window system, apache, etc |
| 03:52.22 | jay | So I'm trying to install kdevelop3 and dependencies are screwed up in my system |
| 03:52.33 | jay | I do a sudo apt-get install kdevelop3 |
| 03:52.41 | abrotman | levander: the kernel .. or everything ? |
| 03:52.47 | abrotman | jay: etch ? |
| 03:52.49 | magyar | deadcat, in interfaces you dont secify an ip for the ppp interface |
| 03:52.59 | jay | and it returns with kdevelop3: Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-3) but 4.0.2-2 is to be installed |
| 03:53.07 | dushtabuddhi | levander Running Linux - Matt Welsh, et al |
| 03:53.19 | levander | abrotman: just whatever, the basic architecture of some important software, don't want to know enough to program, just want to have good idea how they work |
| 03:53.26 | Lorian | When I use 'cat /dev/input/mice' and then move my mouse around, should I get output on the screen if it is working? |
| 03:53.26 | magyar | deadcat, auto dsl-provider |
| 03:53.26 | magyar | iface dsl-provider inet ppp |
| 03:53.26 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.26 | magyar | # please do not modify the following line |
| 03:53.26 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:53.32 | deadcat | magyar: then where do i set the ip though? they dont give me. i have to set it myself |
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| 03:53.49 | deadcat | Marticus: ah |
| 03:53.52 | dushtabuddhi | levander or How Linux works or something like that |
| 03:54.00 | levander | dushtabuddhi: i read Running Linux when i first got into linux, that doesn't talk about how the software is designed, it just talks about what they do, what they do as far as the end user is concerned |
| 03:54.06 | abrotman | levander: you can probably read more than enough online .. |
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| 03:54.25 | jay | So then I try sudo apt-get install libstdc++6=4.0.2-5 gcc-4.0-base=4.0.2-5 |
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| 03:54.36 | levander | abrotman: yeah, but the problem is that online, all the stuff is scattered everywhere, would be nice to have once presentation in a book, if available |
| 03:54.44 | jay | and then I get a screen FULL of stuff that it wants to UNINSTALL |
| 03:54.46 | deadcat | magyar: oh. so i dont set my auto eth1 settings? |
| 03:54.51 | magyar | deadcat, but this is ony the case if you are "pppoe" |
| 03:54.58 | levander | dushtabuddhi: i'll check how linux works, but i think it's content is similar to "running linux" |
| 03:54.58 | jay | Anybody know how to correct this? |
| 03:55.08 | magyar | deadcat, nope |
| 03:55.10 | abrotman | levander: there's the linux kernel internals . but i have a feeling that's too specific |
| 03:55.10 | jay | Or, could anybody refer me to the proper mailing list to ask? |
| 03:55.12 | levander | dushtabuddhi: maybe with a few more tricks on usage |
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| 03:55.21 | levander | abrotman: yeah, too specific |
| 03:55.25 | dushtabuddhi | levander linux cookbook ? |
| 03:55.43 | levander | abrotman: what i'm looking for probably doesn't exist in one book, or i'd have seen it by now |
| 03:55.45 | magyar | deadcat, as i mentioned, you will always be given the static IP by the radius server |
| 03:55.50 | abrotman | levander: tldp.org might have a decent amount of stuffs |
| 03:55.58 | levander | dushtabuddhi: that's a tips and tricks book, not a how the software is designed book |
| 03:56.11 | dushtabuddhi | levander :) |
| 03:56.29 | dushtabuddhi | levander most prbly, experience is the only book for you then |
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| 03:56.31 | levander | abrotman: yeah, i haven't looked around on there good, i know about the howto's, but that's most just how to get stuff to work from an end user perspective |
| 03:56.35 | p3rti | hi |
| 03:56.42 | jay | anybody know where to go with apt-get problems? |
| 03:56.42 | levander | dushtabuddhi: yeah, that's typically how this stuff is learned |
| 03:56.45 | abrotman | levander: there are other sections |
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| 03:56.56 | levander | abrotman: i'll definitely check them, thanks for the tip |
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| 03:57.10 | levander | jay: ask away |
| 03:57.22 | pmiller9 | when will the kdelibs4c2/kdelibs4c2a issue be resolved? I think it's been a problem for a couple weeks.... |
| 03:57.24 | jay | Thanks Levander |
| 03:57.37 | jay | I try to do an apt-get install kdevelop3 |
| 03:57.39 | levander | jay: just ask, not promising i can answer |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | levander: try the guides |
| 03:58.05 | jay | and apt-get returns kdevelop3: Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-3) but 4.0.2-2 is to be installed |
| 03:58.08 | p3rti | i have problems with udev. when i startup my system. btaudio its loaded and the system think that its my sound card. i blocked on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it still loading!! what i have to do?. to hear sometime i have to rmmod btaudio |
| 03:58.10 | deadcat | magyar: i am doing this on the router and it works. i enter username passwd static ip. dns. then i can connect. but i just dont know how to set it up for linux |
| 03:58.11 | abrotman | jay: are you using testing/etch ? |
| 03:58.15 | jay | and Depends: kdevelop3-plugins (= 4:3.2.2-0.5) but it is not going to |
| 03:58.19 | jay | I'm using testing |
| 03:58.30 | abrotman | jay: yeah .. kde is all kinds of messed up in testing right now |
| 03:58.33 | jay | but I have sources for stable turned on also |
| 03:58.43 | deadcat | magyar: so far i have 2 lines. auto dsl-provider; iface dsl-provider inet ppp; thats it right? |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | jay: all i can say is to wait a few days and try again |
| 03:58.56 | jay | I've been trying for about 1 month now |
| 03:58.59 | levander | abrotman: yeah, the guides section definitely seems to be going in the area i want, maybe they got what i'm looking for, thanks |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | jay: apt-get -t stable install kdevelop .. or whatever it is |
| 03:59.15 | p3rti | hey abrotman can u helpme? |
| 03:59.20 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:59.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:59.26 | p3rti | sorry |
| 03:59.31 | p3rti | abrotman, can YOU helpme |
| 03:59.42 | sky0 | levander: have you seen this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ - the best non-paper thing I know; as far as I understand your question |
| 03:59.43 | magyar | deadcat, you also have to make sure that the physical interface to which the virtual (ppp) will attach is up |
| 03:59.49 | abrotman | p3rti: iirc .. that's not how you blacklist with udev |
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| 04:00.03 | jay | it's still complaining |
| 04:00.05 | deadcat | magyar: which is eth1 right? what do i put for eth1 in interfaces? |
| 04:00.07 | magyar | deadcat, in that case "pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth1" |
| 04:00.10 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 04:00.10 | dpkg | i guess blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 04:00.19 | jay | but let me work at this for a while and I'll return if I need |
| 04:00.20 | jay | thanks |
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| 04:00.25 | magyar | deadcat, nada |
| 04:00.31 | deadcat | ? |
| 04:00.34 | levander | sky0: ahhh! that may be exactly what i'm looking for |
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| 04:01.02 | p3rti | oh.. maybe its discover.conf |
| 04:01.23 | magyar | deadcat, auto eth1 |
| 04:01.40 | deadcat | magyar: what about iface eth1 inet blah? |
| 04:02.14 | magyar | deadcat, no need, unless you are routing a subnet through that interface also |
| 04:02.15 | jay | well apt-get -t stable install kdevelop3 didn't work |
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| 04:02.26 | jay | but apt-get -t unstable install kdevelop3 will work |
| 04:02.30 | jay | I'm going to go with it |
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| 04:02.38 | deadcat | magyar: ya. basically the linux box is gonna be the router for the LAN. |
| 04:02.47 | jay | Thanks again |
| 04:02.58 | magyar | deadcat, eth0 = LAN? |
| 04:03.02 | deadcat | magyar: ya |
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| 04:03.59 | magyar | deadcat, than thats it you dont even need "auto eth1" ppp deamon will bring the physical interface up without an ip |
| 04:04.14 | deadcat | magyar: brb. gonna try it out |
| 04:04.47 | xerophyte | Does anybody use Gnumeric if so why does not = (cell1 - cell2) / cell3 is giving wierd answer |
| 04:07.48 | xiaogil | how to export a djvu image into a a viewable by gimp format ? |
| 04:07.55 | odla | xerophyte: i use gnumeric...but i have no idea what you're asking |
| 04:10.17 | benjamindees | dumb question, but is there a "standard" way to build a package with debug info? |
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| 04:10.51 | gravity | benjamindees: The package may have a -dbg package, which you can install to get the symbols |
| 04:11.09 | xerophyte | odla, =(K5-J5)/I5 thats what i did for a cell its giving me weird answer for example K5=4 J5=2 I5=1 i am not getting the correct answer some number do you know whyu |
| 04:11.20 | benjamindees | gravity, it doesn't :( ...I'm trying to rebuild it |
| 04:11.22 | odla | oh |
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| 04:12.33 | odla | xerophyte: it works for me |
| 04:12.52 | benjamindees | xerophyte, cell formatting? |
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| 04:13.07 | odla | xerophyte: here is what i got.. =(A4-A5)/A6 |
| 04:13.21 | odla | xerophyte: and that works for me |
| 04:13.44 | odla | all of the stuff at apt-get.org is for woody |
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| 04:21.11 | odla | rowdy bunch tonight |
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| 04:23.52 | wang | hehe |
| 04:24.05 | wang | i said the same thing |
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| 04:24.36 | odla | everyone is talking so much i can't figure out who to help first |
| 04:24.41 | odla | ;) |
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| 04:26.28 | crash3m_ | odla: just find me a new job and call it a night heh |
| 04:26.41 | odla | crash3m_: do you like animals? |
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| 04:26.52 | triple5 | hi folks |
| 04:26.54 | crash3m_ | odla: define 'like' heh |
| 04:27.06 | odla | crash3m_: i will need a field tech this summer...if you want to trap river otters |
| 04:27.08 | odla | ;) |
| 04:27.13 | crash3m_ | ehhh no |
| 04:27.18 | odla | hi triple5 |
| 04:27.37 | odla | crash3m_: not to kill...i'm an ecologist |
| 04:28.14 | crash3m_ | odla: neat, but trappings not my game |
| 04:28.31 | odla | crash3m_: i don't pay well anyways ;) |
| 04:28.45 | crash3m_ | odla: heh, not like my current job does either |
| 04:28.48 | odla | crash3m_: you could be my long distance IT man |
| 04:28.54 | crash3m_ | possibly |
| 04:29.23 | odla | crash3m_: i could be...wtf is wrong with my computer...and you would say...did you try the on button...and i would say...that's fucking brillant |
| 04:29.47 | crash3m_ | heh |
| 04:30.12 | triple5 | yea you guys are here, any mounting specialist? |
| 04:30.25 | odla | define mounting..he he |
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| 04:31.08 | triple5 | like when you want to make something plug in (like a usb-stick) and I do want to make it appear right away on the desktop... |
| 04:31.28 | odla | triple5: take it off auto in /etc/fstab? |
| 04:31.30 | crash3m_ | strip | touch | touch | touch | grep | mount | umount | exit |
| 04:32.01 | triple5 | I have to put it manually into /etc/fstab ? |
| 04:32.19 | odla | triple5: maybe? try noauto |
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| 04:33.02 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.26 | triple5 | because there are many devices I plug into the USB. my phone with a 512 MB Card, (normally works like a charm) my 512MB USB stick with two partitions (vfat and ext3) |
| 04:33.33 | crash3m_ | there should be no need for manual insertion into fstab if hotplug is setup properly |
| 04:33.37 | odla | triple5: are yo urunning gome? |
| 04:33.45 | triple5 | gnome, yes |
| 04:33.48 | crash3m_ | but as far as getting an icon, I'm at a loss |
| 04:33.52 | odla | triple5: maybe there is a way to turn it off in a setting |
| 04:34.02 | triple5 | turn what off? |
| 04:34.11 | odla | triple5: the auto mounting |
| 04:34.18 | odla | triple5: isn't that what you don't want? |
| 04:34.30 | wang | is there any other way to make a debian machine print to a printer connected to a windows 2000 box and shared PRINT other than with samba? |
| 04:34.30 | triple5 | I think I need a proper hotplug, I want automount |
| 04:34.46 | triple5 | I want to plug it and see it |
| 04:34.49 | odla | triple5: oh...run gnome-volume-manager |
| 04:35.02 | triple5 | I will try... |
| 04:35.41 | crash3m_ | wang: cups |
| 04:35.44 | odla | there is something else that gnome uses to automount but i can't remember what it's called |
| 04:35.55 | wang | crash3m_ : how do i set that up? |
| 04:36.13 | crash3m_ | wang: http://www.linuxprinting.org/cups-doc.html |
| 04:36.22 | deadcat | magyar: ok. i have the internet running. but when ever i startup this firewall script. internet goes dead. )= |
| 04:36.30 | triple5 | odla: the g-v-m is already running it says. |
| 04:36.33 | deadcat | poonj: the firewall script is blocking the internet |
| 04:37.54 | odla | triple5: hrm..what kernel are you using? |
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| 04:38.11 | triple5 | 2.6.12 |
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| 04:38.25 | odla | triple5: etch? |
| 04:38.35 | triple5 | well, ubuntu |
| 04:38.49 | gravity | triple5: #ubuntu |
| 04:39.03 | odla | gravity lives! |
| 04:39.11 | sslashes | is there any way to tell what type of machine i am running on through linux (or software that does it), my hosting company told me i am using a Dell server, but i suspect it is a whitebox macine, any idea? |
| 04:39.23 | gravity | odla: I've been here, but doing packaging stuff |
| 04:39.23 | triple5 | yeah, I am here, because I like debian, and use ubuntu because I like debian |
| 04:39.39 | gravity | odla: Heh, that's not me. That's Norbert Tretowski who did the backport of my package, but thank you :-) |
| 04:39.49 | gravity | triple5: Ubuntu isn't Debian. Sorry. |
| 04:39.55 | predius_ | !ping |
| 04:39.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:39.56 | triple5 | should I leave ubuntu and come back completely? |
| 04:39.58 | predius_ | yay |
| 04:40.09 | odla | triple5: to debian? |
| 04:40.21 | odla | gravity: you're welcome! |
| 04:40.23 | triple5 | yea |
| 04:40.24 | gravity | triple5: If you want. It doesn't really matter, but you should use the appropriate support channel for your distro, whatever it is |
| 04:41.22 | gravity | triple5: There are bugs in one that aren't in the other, and vice versa, which makes it very difficult to assess what the problem is |
| 04:41.34 | odla | triple5: if you don't need a release every 6 months, or year, or 18 months..he he he |
| 04:41.36 | triple5 | okay, I will go to the ubuntu channel now, thanks for your help, sorry if I was in the wrong place, a friend asked me to try the debian channel |
| 04:42.00 | odla | triple5: no problem..it's just they can help you with a ubuntu question better then we can cause we're running debian |
| 04:42.52 | triple5 | I have come to linux because debian, shame on me that I abandoned it, but I am not so much a developer as to be able to use it. |
| 04:43.09 | staniel | hello |
| 04:43.10 | odla | triple5: i'm not a developer but an end user |
| 04:43.24 | triple5 | and I use debian on my server. |
| 04:43.30 | triple5 | servers |
| 04:43.33 | staniel | is there anyway to stop ohci_hcd from loading at boot up... it seems to be causing the USB ports on my laptop not to work |
| 04:43.52 | odla | staniel: blacklist it? |
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| 04:44.19 | predius_ | !blacklist |
| 04:44.19 | dpkg | somebody said blacklist was Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 04:44.55 | RainbowW | is there a way to get thunderbird to periodically check every sub-folder on an imap box? atm mail can go unread for weeks because tbird doesn't flag sub-folders as having unread messages unless i remember to click on them |
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| 04:45.48 | deadcat | iptales anyone? |
| 04:45.58 | odla | iptales? |
| 04:46.17 | RainbowW | sounds like my kids would like iptales. they're 3, 2, and 2. |
| 04:48.13 | int21h | help me with my splashimage |
| 04:48.25 | odla | int21h: what splash image? |
| 04:49.22 | int21h | grub v0.95 |
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| 04:49.52 | int21h | i am using debian stable with grub v0.95 |
| 04:50.27 | staniel | odla - blacklisting ohci_hcd didn't work - still tries to load, and still has problems |
| 04:50.29 | odla | int21h: what splash image are you expecting to see? |
| 04:50.37 | c4_ | can i make only an apt-get upgrade of "security risk packages"? |
| 04:50.42 | staniel | USB HC takeover failed! (BIOS/SMM bug) |
| 04:50.45 | staniel | can't reset |
| 04:50.59 | staniel | does it for each one of the usb ports |
| 04:51.18 | odla | staniel: hrm...i don't know |
| 04:51.29 | triple5 | I am gone |
| 04:51.31 | RainbowW | c4_: comment out everything but security.debian.org, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade. when you're done, reverse the comments and then do another apt-get update. |
| 04:52.13 | int21h | i tried to p[ut this line to menu.lst -> splashimage=(hda0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz, but the output is black screen and a blincking cursor? |
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| 04:53.12 | xevious | how do i get firefox 1.5 into my apt cache? |
| 04:53.19 | odla | xevious: sarge? |
| 04:53.24 | xevious | whatever testing is |
| 04:53.41 | odla | xevious: it's only in sid and available for sarge via backport |
| 04:53.42 | odla | s |
| 04:53.43 | gravity | You either update to unstable, use pinning, or wait it out |
| 04:53.46 | cheal | xevious: testing is etch. firefox 1.5 is not in debian yet |
| 04:53.47 | gravity | I recommend the latter |
| 04:53.57 | gravity | Oh, it's not in unstable? Heh |
| 04:54.13 | gravity | I've been using epiphany lately anyway :-) |
| 04:54.14 | odla | xevious: you could get it from backports.org if you wanted |
| 04:54.22 | cheal | gravity: well, there's a pretty close version (RC3). enough to expect the real thing soon |
| 04:55.44 | c4_ | int19h hehe |
| 04:55.56 | int21h | =) |
| 04:56.03 | xevious | pinning? |
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| 04:56.17 | odla | !tell xevious about pinning |
| 04:56.20 | int21h | odla: i tried to p[ut this line to menu.lst -> splashimage=(hda0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz, but the output is black screen and a blincking cursor? |
| 04:56.26 | c4_ | int21h: 19h reboots, or that was in all machines? |
| 04:56.34 | cheal | yay, I just had udev break my system for the first time :D |
| 04:56.38 | c4_ | all= old |
| 04:56.42 | cheal | good thing I don't run sid :) |
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| 04:56.51 | odla | int21h: i don't know...maybe gunzip it first? what's the man tell you for adding splashes? |
| 04:57.09 | cheal | OK, it only broke X |
| 04:57.30 | xevious | ok my keyboard is fucked up |
| 04:57.33 | hugo__ | how install ssh.....im a new user.... |
| 04:57.35 | xevious | alt doesnt work in this X terminal |
| 04:57.42 | xevious | (xfce terminal) |
| 04:57.44 | odla | int21h: btw...i think you need to put it on your kernel line not the root line |
| 04:57.46 | cheal | hugo__: which debian release do you run? |
| 04:57.55 | c4_ | xevious: Alt+Ctrl? |
| 04:57.57 | xevious | and by the way xfce is sweet |
| 04:58.02 | hugo__ | 3.1 |
| 04:58.09 | xevious | c4_: nope :) but thanks... |
| 04:58.09 | cheal | hugo__: # apt-get install ssh |
| 04:58.17 | odla | xfce is pretty cool |
| 04:58.17 | int21h | from the splashimage tutorial said that no need to gunzip |
| 04:58.28 | odla | int21h: put it on the kernel line then? |
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| 04:58.51 | int21h | ok will try it |
| 04:59.05 | odla | int21h: i know that's how they do it in ubuntu with their splash screen |
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| 05:00.32 | int21h | . |
| 05:00.33 | odla | int21h: do you have a link to this tutorial still? |
| 05:00.41 | hugo__ | how to start an ssh server please |
| 05:00.43 | amd_goon | xfce is the wm/desktop that look like win95 isn't it? |
| 05:00.53 | odla | amd_goon: no... |
| 05:00.56 | douthat | hugo__: apt-get install ssh |
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| 05:01.05 | odla | amd_goon: that's iceWM |
| 05:01.40 | amd_goon | right, ok next guess, xfce has the mouse logo? |
| 05:01.59 | odla | amd_goon: ding ding ding |
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| 05:02.03 | odla | !medal amd_goon |
| 05:02.10 | odla | that's mean dpkg |
| 05:02.17 | odla | !gentoosmite dpkg |
| 05:02.17 | staniel | hmm - this is odd - none ofthe usb nodes are being created either.. possibly because ohci is failing? |
| 05:02.34 | amd_goon | I tend to use windowmaker and fluxbox |
| 05:02.37 | xevious | amd_goon: xfce is a lightweight desktop based on gtk |
| 05:02.41 | xevious | amd_goon: it's fast |
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| 05:02.50 | odla | amd_goon: i use to use fluxbox |
| 05:02.54 | hugo__ | ssh are allready install |
| 05:03.11 | cheal | hugo__: then the server should already be running |
| 05:03.35 | hugo__ | hum but not work |
| 05:03.43 | amd_goon | hugo: as root, /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 05:03.59 | cheal | hugo__: why do you say that it doesn't work? |
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| 05:04.09 | xevious | so what's epiphany? |
| 05:04.17 | odla | !epiphany |
| 05:04.18 | dpkg | it has been said that epiphany is a fork of galeon that also uses gtk2. It is very fast and lightweight. In some senses epiphany is to galeon what firebird is to mozilla. btw... galeon2 uses gtk2 also and is nice also. |
| 05:04.22 | cheal | is the architecture option in debbugs's pkgreport.cgi (under "Show bugs applicable to") functional? and if so, how does it work? |
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| 05:04.43 | xevious | which rendering engine does ephipany use? |
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| 05:04.52 | odla | gecko? |
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| 05:05.19 | xevious | flash, etc, work ok? |
| 05:05.28 | odla | xevious: it should |
| 05:05.57 | odla | xevious: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla (from marillat repos) and use javapackage to make a java deb and you're golden |
| 05:05.58 | gravity | It's a very minimal, gnome-y browser |
| 05:06.03 | gravity | If you're in to that sort of thing, it's nice |
| 05:06.09 | gravity | It's also faster than firefox |
| 05:06.09 | xevious | tabbed browsing? |
| 05:06.16 | odla | xevious: yup |
| 05:06.16 | gravity | Yep. |
| 05:06.21 | xevious | word |
| 05:06.36 | xevious | apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla and javapackage before ephiphany? |
| 05:06.39 | gravity | The extensions are crap so far, but it's generally very good |
| 05:06.51 | odla | xevious: either way should be fine |
| 05:06.55 | xevious | okee |
| 05:06.58 | odla | !tell xevious about java |
| 05:07.05 | hugo__ | hum not working |
| 05:07.36 | hugo__ | i've a thing like this Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdserveur:/# |
| 05:08.41 | CoffeeIV | where can I set an environment value which will be inherited by every process on the system ? |
| 05:08.43 | xevious | i can't find epiphany in aptitude... |
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| 05:09.10 | amd_goon | hugo: that is what you see? that OpenBSD . . . message? |
| 05:09.13 | odla | !tell xevious about install java |
| 05:09.13 | odla | lag |
| 05:09.20 | cheal | hugo__: why do you say that it's not working? |
| 05:09.29 | benjamindees | CoffeeIV, I doubt that's possible |
| 05:09.31 | odla | xevious: what are you running? |
| 05:09.37 | xevious | odla: testing |
| 05:09.44 | odla | !info epiphany testing |
| 05:09.49 | cheal | amd_goon: note that OpenSSH is from OpenBSD |
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| 05:10.25 | CoffeeIV | benjamindees: ok, if I do "NAME=value" in one of the scripts in /etc/init.d/ will that be inherited into the environment of that daemon ? |
| 05:10.29 | Kvant | xevious, epiphany is in sid and sarge, but not in etch |
| 05:10.37 | amd_goon | yes, I think hugo has it running, that is the usual o/p upon starting the server |
| 05:10.38 | xevious | so....? |
| 05:10.47 | xevious | what do i do? |
| 05:10.55 | benjamindees | CoffeeIV, but /etc/profile maybe |
| 05:11.03 | Kvant | xevious, you can add a deb line for sarge in sources.list |
| 05:11.08 | benjamindees | CoffeeIV, yes |
| 05:11.44 | xevious | you guys recommend epiphany over firefox? |
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| 05:11.51 | hugo__ | because its dont work |
| 05:11.55 | xevious | (i'm on a p3 600) |
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| 05:12.14 | CaT[tm] | likes seamonkey |
| 05:12.15 | Kvant | hmm |
| 05:12.29 | Kvant | !info epiphany-browser testing |
| 05:12.31 | dpkg | epiphany-browser: (Intuitive GNOME web browser), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.6.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 3259 kB, Installed size: 9072 kB |
| 05:12.54 | cheal | hugo__: please ask #debian-fr. we can't help you |
| 05:12.54 | xevious | found it |
| 05:13.02 | xevious | epiphany-browser, not epiphany :) |
| 05:13.03 | hugo__ | ok |
| 05:13.03 | xevious | thanks |
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| 05:13.30 | xevious | WHOAH |
| 05:13.31 | xevious | hold on! |
| 05:13.34 | xevious | uh |
| 05:13.43 | xevious | installing epiphany requires a gnome install? |
| 05:13.55 | amd_goon | yikes |
| 05:13.59 | xevious | and mozilla? |
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| 05:14.23 | odla | xevious: mozilla i understand but gnome too? the whole thing or a meta package? |
| 05:14.24 | xevious | and libsmbclient?! |
| 05:14.43 | gravity | odla: It's a gnome app |
| 05:14.46 | odla | xevious: it ues the same engine as the mozilla engine that's why you need mozilla |
| 05:14.56 | gravity | When I said gnome-y I meant it :-) |
| 05:14.58 | odla | gravity: but you need to install the whole dm to get it? |
| 05:15.07 | odla | wow |
| 05:15.08 | gravity | odla: I'm not sure |
| 05:15.18 | gravity | I honestly don't know what it relies on. I run full gnome, so I don't know |
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| 05:15.37 | amd_goon | anyone use dillo for a browser? |
| 05:15.39 | Ries | does anybody know if there are any probs with apache2 mod_rewrite on debian testing? |
| 05:15.43 | odla | gravity: yeah same here |
| 05:16.10 | dondelelcaro | odla: quite a few of us run it. |
| 05:16.19 | dondelelcaro | (but often just on select devices) |
| 05:16.22 | odla | yay i don't feel alone! |
| 05:16.30 | odla | it just seems like everyone is running testing |
| 05:16.45 | benjamindees | it's the cool thing to do |
| 05:16.50 | xevious | odla: dbus, dbus-glib, docbook-xml, epiphany-extensions, esound-clients, esound-common, fam, gconf2, gconf2-common, gnome-doc-utils, gnome-icon-theme, gnome-keyring, gnome-mime-data, iso-codes, libart, libaudiofile, libbonobo, libbonobo-common, libbonobo-ui2, libbonoboui2-common, libcdparanoia0, libesd0, libfam0, libgconf2, libgnome-desktop, libgnome-keyring0, libgnome2, libgnome2-common, libgnome-canvas2, libgnomeui, libgnomevfs2 and w |
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| 05:16.55 | amd_goon | odla: many sarge boxes in the lab, some sid on laptops |
| 05:17.28 | xevious | just as a result of adding epiphany-browser |
| 05:17.38 | odla | xevious: well that's not the whole gnome desktop though :) |
| 05:17.49 | odla | how bad do you want epiphany? |
| 05:18.05 | xevious | i just want a web browser |
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| 05:18.08 | xevious | that's lightweight |
| 05:18.11 | xevious | has tabbed browsing |
| 05:18.16 | xevious | and will play flash and java correctly |
| 05:18.17 | odla | xevious: how much space does it take up? |
| 05:18.27 | odla | xevious: galeon? |
| 05:18.30 | xevious | 30mb or so of downloads |
| 05:18.48 | odla | !galeon |
| 05:18.49 | dpkg | galeon is, like, a pretty cool browser with a very fast interface based on gnome and gecko (mozilla rendering engine). More info at http://galeon.sourceforge.net/. add 'deb http://people.spacelabs.nl/~paul browser-gtk1.2/' to your sources list for galeon 1.2.9+mozilla 1.3, or a browser that has sucked since version 1.3.x |
| 05:19.22 | vimman | my system hangs when it reaches starting PCMCIA .. during bootup... its dell laptop.. do i need it ? |
| 05:19.36 | odla | vimman: do you use a wireless card? |
| 05:19.45 | odla | vimman: or anything else in your pcmcia slots? |
| 05:19.45 | xevious | galeon installs allll of gnome |
| 05:19.48 | benjamindees | "If the environment variable `DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS'contains the string `debug', compile the software with debugging information" |
| 05:19.50 | vimman | ya i use a wireless card |
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| 05:20.01 | douthat | i have kind of a noobish question: how can I find out which packages I have installed aren't part of sarge stable? |
| 05:20.03 | odla | vimman: is it in your pcmcia slot? |
| 05:20.12 | odla | xevious: man...i don't know |
| 05:20.18 | vimman | odla: how do i find it |
| 05:20.20 | odla | xevious: use firefox with the fasterfox extension? |
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| 05:20.43 | xevious | all i want on this laptop is xfce, a web broswer, and basic office apps |
| 05:20.44 | xevious | and ssh |
| 05:20.46 | odla | vimman: find what? do you have to insert your wireless card? |
| 05:20.56 | xevious | fasterfox? |
| 05:21.08 | odla | xevious: it makes firefox go vroom vroom |
| 05:21.13 | xevious | nifty |
| 05:21.38 | xevious | so aptitude has firefox 1.0.7 |
| 05:21.45 | odla | https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=1269&application=firefox |
| 05:21.46 | vimman | how do i find what is there in the pcmcia card.. ? i have wireless.. but really dont know abt the hardware connections |
| 05:21.52 | odla | xevious: that link is for you |
| 05:22.06 | xevious | thanks |
| 05:22.15 | xevious | not much fun in a text browser though |
| 05:22.18 | odla | vimman: if it's not in your slots then you don't have an external wireless card |
| 05:22.25 | odla | xevious: you can only use that on firefox |
| 05:22.36 | odla | xevious: you can get 1.5rc3 from sid or from a sarge backport |
| 05:22.41 | odla | xevious: or wait for 10 days |
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| 05:23.15 | odla | vimman: can you find a google link to your laptop? |
| 05:23.15 | xevious | i meant the link wasnt much fun in a text browser |
| 05:23.23 | odla | xevious: oh i see ;) |
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| 05:24.47 | xevious | well i can stumble along with 1.0.7 and then apt-get upgrade should upgrade to 1.5 when it's in there, right? |
| 05:25.06 | odla | xevious: certainly! also not much differnce between 1.0.7 and 1.5 imo |
| 05:25.13 | xevious | ok |
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| 05:25.23 | xevious | good security updates |
| 05:25.35 | xevious | is there a gtk aptitude? |
| 05:25.57 | xevious | yay! |
| 05:25.59 | xevious | synaptic |
| 05:26.10 | xevious | i love answering my own questions! |
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| 05:26.57 | amd_goon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.38 | bbmj | not debian related. anyone had a problem with intel boards not booting or giving any video until a key is pressed(any key). having the problem with 2 different models d865perl(socket 478) and a slot 1 board. weird. |
| 05:28.03 | xevious | boo |
| 05:28.04 | bbmj | sucks when i reboot them remotly. |
| 05:28.08 | xevious | synaptic installs a bunch of gnome stuff |
| 05:29.07 | amd_goon | bbmj: weird, what chipset(s)? |
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| 05:29.48 | bbmj | the d865perl is an intel i865 series. cant remember the other |
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| 05:29.55 | cheal | xevious: not too much, as long as you avoid libgnome2-perl |
| 05:30.05 | PHRO23N | is it possible to use emerge and do a multithreaded download like axel or flashget on w32? |
| 05:30.20 | amd_goon | bbmj: ok, was wondering if that was the chipset |
| 05:30.22 | defuture | hi |
| 05:30.33 | bbmj | amd_goon, the slot 1 didn't start it until i set the bios back to optimal settings. then i started. |
| 05:30.57 | xevious | cheal: it says "synaptic recommends libgnome2-perl" |
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| 05:31.06 | xevious | can i just hit - on that package? |
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| 05:31.11 | cheal | xevious: yes, but it doesn't depend on it |
| 05:31.16 | xevious | and how will that affect synaptic's operation? |
| 05:31.28 | cheal | xevious: hum, what APT frontend are you using to install synaptic? |
| 05:31.33 | xevious | aptitude |
| 05:32.28 | cheal | xevious: I don't know about aptitude. installing synaptic without libgnome2-perl shouldn't be a problem with # apt-get install synaptic |
| 05:32.31 | amd_goon | bbmj: no idea, but can you ssh into those boxes when they are stuck? or is there no network going yet? |
| 05:32.53 | A3K | here is a question for you... Let me preface this by saying that I think the HD in this laptop is going out...do you think that HD problems could cause insanely long load times on programs, as well as long boot times, as well as cause the system to hang for 20-30 seconds every time you load a web page? |
| 05:33.02 | PHRO23N | wget is slow, it only downloads one segment at a time |
| 05:33.22 | A3K | or could it be something else? |
| 05:33.25 | bbmj | amd_goon, no they won't start to boot until a key is hit. |
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| 05:34.15 | bbmj | amd_goon, it's made me very bitter towards intel...... |
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| 05:34.56 | xevious | what durr hell is deborphan? |
| 05:34.57 | amd_goon | bbmj: I hear ya, um, do they post then wait? or not even post? |
| 05:35.18 | xevious | no description in aptitude |
| 05:35.23 | bbmj | no they don't post until a key is hit |
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| 05:35.34 | gravity | xevious: It shows up for me |
| 05:35.41 | gravity | Maybe it was removed from etch for some reason |
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| 05:35.49 | gravity | xevious: packages.debian.org/deborphan |
| 05:35.55 | A3K | deborphan = my son...orphaned by me since I have been playing with Debian ;) |
| 05:36.22 | xevious | gravity: it's in aptitude, but no description |
| 05:36.39 | gravity | weird |
| 05:36.41 | amd_goon | ok, I got ya. that's bizarre. almost sounds like a BIOS option but what good would that be?? |
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| 05:37.30 | A3K | any ideas on the load times? If it were wintel I would say it is a virus or the HD needs a defrag. I am really beginning to think my HD may be going out. |
| 05:37.50 | amd_goon | bmj: wouldn't be bad keyboards would it? |
| 05:37.59 | bbmj | amd_goon, i've went throught everything. it would be useful if you wanted a secure boot, have to have flesh at the keyboard to boot. kinda stupid though |
| 05:38.08 | Ayk | hi |
| 05:38.10 | xevious | gksu is so i can run synaptic as a non root user and just give a root password? |
| 05:38.12 | mrbrocoli | which arch should i pick for amd64? the only thing close i see is ia64 (which i guess is itanium.. or not?) |
| 05:38.21 | amd_goon | A3K: is the machine swapping a lot? |
| 05:38.51 | bbmj | amd_goon, wouldn't think so. the only 2 intel boards i have and they both do it. intel is the only thing they have in common. |
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| 05:39.13 | benjamindees | bbmj, I've see Dells that refuse to post when rebooted, have to unplug power and plug back in before they work |
| 05:39.40 | benjamindees | (Intel i865 I think) |
| 05:39.52 | cheal | mrbrocoli: not ia64. amd64 or i386. amd64 isn't an official arch. ask #debian-amd64 to choose between the two |
| 05:39.54 | A3K | amd_goon I don't think so, it was fine until a couple of days ago. I installed Debian a couple of weeks ago after an HD crash. My drive also seems to be making strange random ticking noises |
| 05:39.54 | bbmj | benjamindees, ya i've seen a few of those. but not just hit a key. |
| 05:40.04 | A3K | How do I check the swapping? |
| 05:40.22 | amd_goon | bbmj: don't know, what about flashing an updated BIOS? |
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| 05:40.53 | mrbrocoli | cheal: k, i'll try there, thanks |
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| 05:41.24 | bbmj | both at the newest. the d865perl has done it through all the bios versions i've ran since i've gotten it. |
| 05:41.28 | xevious | ok |
| 05:41.29 | amd_goon | A3K: well, the drive light will go on for a long time, and 'free -m' will show the RAM is almost full and the swap size is increasing |
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| 05:41.49 | xevious | i'll suck it up and deal with a few gnome packages |
| 05:42.04 | bbmj | amd_goon, and judging by the search engines i seem to be the only one who is having a problem like this. |
| 05:42.08 | A3K | the drive light stays on for a long time |
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| 05:42.59 | A3K | this does not look right... Mem: 377 total 331 used 45 free??? |
| 05:43.13 | amd_goon | bbmj: that is the pits, can't say I have anymore ideas. |
| 05:43.40 | A3K | I have 384 Megs of ram and a pretty clean installation I think. |
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| 05:43.49 | bbmj | amd_goon, at this point i just need emotional support. :) |
| 05:44.04 | jimi | hello i have a general linux newbie question: which log file are all the startup messages stored in? |
| 05:44.07 | servus | The free command mightn't be what you expect. It shows unallocated memory, and Linux will suck up memory even if it's not being used, just so that it /can/ be used. |
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| 05:44.16 | xevious | jimi: type dmesg |
| 05:44.30 | A3K | servus: ah...ok |
| 05:44.32 | xevious | jimi: well dmesg|less is more useful |
| 05:44.38 | amd_goon | A3K: sure, the kernel will usually use most of the RAM available. Do you see the swap file size growing? |
| 05:44.45 | jimi | xevious: that was easy, thanks! |
| 05:44.50 | benjamindees | jimi, /var/log/dmesg |
| 05:44.52 | xevious | jimi: you're welcome |
| 05:44.54 | A3K | well, heavy swapping would would make sense. |
| 05:45.35 | amd_goon | bbmj: how about a big hammer? |
| 05:45.42 | jhealey | wehat is the latest v of debian for x86 and where is the fastest place to dload the DVD image? |
| 05:45.46 | jhealey | hello all |
| 05:46.07 | mrbrocoli | i want to install debian in a chroot disk image.. i did that once a while ago and just had to unpack a tarball with the base install inside. did the install procedure change? if not where is the tarball? |
| 05:46.13 | bbmj | amd_goon, really been thinking about it. knew i shouldn't have gotten an intel. |
| 05:46.13 | cheal | jhealey: the same as for all official architectures |
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| 05:47.04 | cheal | !tell jhealey about stable |
| 05:47.08 | bbmj | amd_goon, prob going to build a new one in a few months. going to try amd again. |
| 05:47.11 | amd_goon | A3K: mine says 91 total, 87 used, 3 free, for RAM, 220 total, 0 used, 220 free for swap |
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| 05:47.19 | jimi | xevious: it does not seem to contain some of the startup errors that I am getting, are there any other logs that are used? |
| 05:47.30 | jhealey | stable? |
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| 05:47.56 | jhealey | i'm KDE centric, does that work for Debian? |
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| 05:48.15 | A3K | amd: it does not appear to be using the swap at all |
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| 05:48.30 | jimi | ascii porn mmm |
| 05:49.11 | cheal | jhealey: did you receive a message from dpkg bot? |
| 05:49.15 | benjamindees | jhealey, yes it does |
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| 05:49.22 | cheal | jhealey: why wouldn't it? |
| 05:49.24 | A3K | but it is taking the ram down all the way while the buffers still have plenty |
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| 05:49.27 | amd_goon | bbmj: I've had pretty good luck with various amd boards |
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| 05:49.32 | jhealey | cheal: no message, nope |
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| 05:49.43 | A3K | somebody want to...thank you |
| 05:50.34 | jimi | gave him ops? |
| 05:50.59 | bbmj | amd_goon, my biggest problem with boards now a days is all the "crap" they try and pile on them. what happened to the days when you could find a m/b with nothing integrated????? |
| 05:51.10 | Azar | what is new honorables? |
| 05:51.32 | Azar | how does a new Debian user secure his freshly installed system? |
| 05:51.34 | A3K | sometimes I will hear what sounds like a beep come from inside my laptop case. I think it is some sort of error reporting mechanism on the HD |
| 05:51.39 | jhealey | ok, cheal i got the msg |
| 05:51.44 | jhealey | than ks |
| 05:51.45 | CaT[tm] | bbmj: well nowadays you can buy a mb with video, sound, ethernet, raid, etc for less then you'd spend on a network card back then. |
| 05:51.48 | amd_goon | A3K: odd then that the drive runs so much |
| 05:51.51 | CaT[tm] | bbmj: I'm not complaining :) |
| 05:51.54 | cheal | jhealey: cool |
| 05:51.59 | A3K | yeah: I think it is bad |
| 05:52.04 | Azar | all I could do was to remove telnet anything else? |
| 05:52.06 | A3K | dying but not dead |
| 05:52.31 | bbmj | CaT[tm], i'd rather have nothing and put only what i want. thats just me though. |
| 05:52.45 | CaT[tm] | bbmj: *nod* I'd rather have the cash :) |
| 05:52.50 | A3K | I got a really nasty virus on XP and it did unpleasant things to my HD. Crashed the heck out of windows. I was getting blue screen errors on safe mode boots. |
| 05:52.52 | jhealey | anyone care to elaborate on the advantages of runnin Debian over Ubuntu? |
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| 05:53.01 | A3K | my HD started making noises |
| 05:53.06 | Azar | what is chkrootkit? I only see two lines in chkrootkit.conf |
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| 05:53.29 | A3K | I finger on the chalkboard sounds instead of the normal ticks |
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| 05:53.46 | Gnea | !securing debian |
| 05:53.46 | dpkg | securing debian is probably at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 05:53.54 | amd_goon | A3K have you run any tests on it? |
| 05:53.58 | Azar | thank you Gnea |
| 05:54.01 | Gnea | np |
| 05:54.01 | cast | im mildly confused with /etc/cron.daily. i have a script '#!/bin/sh\n\ntouch "/cronran`date`.good" |
| 05:54.09 | A3K | I dont know what software to use to test it. I am a noob |
| 05:54.23 | cast | [ahh damn enter key] that never runs. is there something im missing? |
| 05:55.02 | bbmj | CaT[tm], i build my workstation like i build my servers at the office. used to have raid 10 on a lsi megaraid elite 1600. dd it over to another disk when i ran out of case space though. |
| 05:55.03 | cast | infact no script that i drop in /etc/cron.daily appears to run, though the dpkg installed tripwire script in there runs fine |
| 05:55.06 | amd_goon | your could run e2fsck on it, assuming your are using ext2 or ext3 filesystem |
| 05:55.32 | A3K | Debian comes with a lot of packages. With it running so slowly trial and error could take eternity. I am running whatever file system live install does. |
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| 05:55.44 | amd_goon | bbmj: We had to send back some |
| 05:55.49 | A3K | er net install |
| 05:55.51 | amd_goon | Arima boards |
| 05:55.51 | A3K | not live install |
| 05:56.08 | jimi | is there anyway of recording all of the text that is displayed on startup. i need everything from immediatly after grub up until X runs |
| 05:56.44 | cheal | jimi: dmesg is the easy part |
| 05:56.54 | gravity | jimi: /var/log |
| 05:56.54 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 05:56.55 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 05:56.57 | amd_goon | A3K: type mount and see if you see ext3 |
| 05:56.58 | cheal | jimi: for the second part, bootlogd works sometimes |
| 05:57.12 | A3K | yes |
| 05:57.16 | bleaked | jimi.. check /var/log/messages |
| 05:57.18 | bleaked | it has it all. |
| 05:57.43 | jimi | ok thanks guys ill try those options (dmesg does not have everything) |
| 05:57.45 | xevious | ok |
| 05:57.48 | xevious | thanks for the help folks |
| 05:57.48 | xevious | i'm out |
| 05:58.01 | bleaked | jimi.. /var/log/messages will have everything. |
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| 05:58.17 | A3K | what is e2fsck |
| 05:58.18 | A3K | ? |
| 05:58.25 | A3K | apt-get does not find it |
| 05:58.39 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.48 | amd_goon | A3K: e2fsck is like chkdsk, and should not be run on a mounted filesystem. I run it by calling it to run on next bootup |
| 05:59.11 | A3K | how do I call it to run on next boot? |
| 05:59.23 | A3K | I will reboot now and check it in the morning |
| 05:59.26 | amd_goon | A3K: 'shutdown -rF now' -r for reboot, F for check filesystem |
| 05:59.56 | amd_goon | A3K: see 'man shutdown' |
| 06:00.06 | A3K | thanks |
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| 06:00.48 | amd_goon | Usually it is run automatically after so many reboots, too. |
| 06:02.19 | peterS | tengulre: harmless |
| 06:02.37 | peterS | tengulre: basically syslog writes a MARK every 20 minutes by default, so if your machine dies at some point you'll have a pretty good idea when it died |
| 06:02.40 | amd_goon | A3K: you can also boot from you livecd and run e2fsck -c -c /dev/hda? to look for badblocks. |
| 06:03.02 | Azar | what does mean when I see someone trying several time to gain access bruteforcing for a user name? |
| 06:03.17 | Azar | I assume he did not gained access, right? |
| 06:03.46 | tengulre | peterS: I see, thanks! :) |
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| 06:07.11 | Guerin | Azar: it means that you might want to install fail2ban |
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| 06:10.50 | wang | why is it so difficult to print to a printer connected to a windows machine in samba |
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| 06:14.44 | TNKS | hi. |
| 06:14.55 | TNKS | I have a problem that I'm having trouble debugging. |
| 06:15.08 | TNKS | There's a package that won't install on my laptop, but it does install on my desktop. |
| 06:15.12 | TNKS | enlightenment. |
| 06:15.24 | TNKS | I did install some third-party e17 packages. |
| 06:15.28 | TNKS | but I purged them all. |
| 06:15.35 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 06:15.36 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
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| 06:18.25 | Makro | hello |
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| 06:18.49 | TNKS | dondelelcaro, here's a pastebin of my problem http://pastebin.ca/32623 |
| 06:19.39 | smacnay | Why does cdrdao give me the error "ERROR: Cannot prevent/allow medium removal." when trying to burn a cd? Is this common? |
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| 06:20.00 | Makro | i need a line for determine the path to the cdrom device in a autorun script, so when i put the cd on the cdrom it checks his path for run some stuff |
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| 06:22.39 | benjamindees | Makro, everything I can think of would break on systems with multiple cd-roms |
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| 06:23.03 | TNKS | I guess what's really confusing me is this "no installation candidate" message with apt-get. |
| 06:23.16 | Azar | Guerin what is fail2ban? |
| 06:23.43 | Azar | I see zillions of attempts to gain access something like a bruteforce bot |
| 06:23.45 | Makro | benjamindees: well, thanks for try :) |
| 06:23.54 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: ok, the reason why you're seeing that is because you've set up unstable as pinned to 90, even though you're basically running unstable. |
| 06:23.56 | Makro | seems not to easy |
| 06:23.59 | dondelelcaro | Azar: fail2ban is good. |
| 06:24.03 | dondelelcaro | !fail2ban |
| 06:24.19 | Azar | ok I will try it is that the install name as well right? |
| 06:24.24 | bleaked | so someone told me it's better to install using aptitude than to use apt-get..is this true, and why? |
| 06:24.48 | vimman | my system hangs once it starts hald .. caplock does not work.. i.e the keyboard does not work.. it does not proceed to the next step .. is it essential to run hald.. i find that S20dbus-1 in rc5.d starts it !! can i disable dbus-1 ?? |
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| 06:25.09 | Azar | hmm thats not a deb package.. |
| 06:25.11 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: fail2ban is <reply> fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with ssh and iptunnel, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 06:25.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 06:25.15 | dondelelcaro | !info fail2ban |
| 06:25.23 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 06:25.27 | vimman | Azar: you said that to me ? |
| 06:25.47 | Azar | oh sid |
| 06:25.53 | Azar | I run sarge |
| 06:25.56 | dondelelcaro | Azar: there are backports for it; I even have one. |
| 06:26.07 | Azar | ok I will google for it |
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| 06:27.12 | dondelelcaro | Azar: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/fail2ban_0.5.4-5_all.deb |
| 06:27.29 | dondelelcaro | (not that it even needed to be backported, since it just depends: python, iptables. |
| 06:28.20 | stdoubt | hi ho, In the annaouncement for the release of Sarge, it's stated that debian "features cryptographic software" -Umm, what is it? |
| 06:28.24 | Azar | :) thank you dondelecaro, I hope I will be able to know what to do with it |
| 06:28.35 | dondelelcaro | stdoubt: like gnupg, openssl... the list goes on. |
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| 06:29.13 | Thanatermesis | i can't posible to record CD's from gnomebaker... but yes for record DVD's... any idea ? |
| 06:29.23 | vulture | CDs, no apostrophe! |
| 06:29.28 | vulture | DVDs. |
| 06:29.32 | vulture | *shakes fist* |
| 06:29.50 | Thanatermesis | im not english native.. sorry |
| 06:29.52 | TNKS | dondelelcaro, thanks for the tip. I installed with -t testing, and it set things straight. |
| 06:30.35 | Azar | how do I install that stuff? I just downloladed it |
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| 06:31.28 | beleys | bonjour |
| 06:31.42 | Azar | apt-get install fail2ban does not work |
| 06:32.03 | Thanatermesis | Azar dpkg -i file.deb |
| 06:32.14 | Azar | thank you Thanatermesis |
| 06:32.47 | Thanatermesis | i have "ioctl failure"... i can record from root, no from user, any idea of what i need for gnomebaker ? |
| 06:33.18 | benjamindees | how does Cobalt (defunct?) still have like 8% of the webserver market? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/05/strong_growth_for_debian.html |
| 06:33.23 | Thanatermesis | all is in the group cdrom (device + link and user) |
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| 06:34.21 | Makro | benjamindees: i think any suggest will be useful so if you have an idea please tell me |
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| 06:36.35 | Thanatermesis | time out |
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| 06:39.29 | xevious | lightweight media player? |
| 06:39.33 | xevious | for video |
| 06:39.36 | xevious | no dvd necessary |
| 06:39.57 | xevious | an itunes like thing that also does video would be nifty |
| 06:40.02 | xevious | i guess |
| 06:40.11 | benjamindees | Makro, is the autorun file a script or does it have to be a binary? |
| 06:40.18 | xevious | but i have xmms already, so video is just what i'm after |
| 06:42.23 | stdoubt | xevious -heard of xine? it won't do iTunes but it's nice and light |
| 06:42.37 | benjamindees | Makro, ah I see it's a script, you can use the %P% variable as the mount path |
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| 06:43.02 | xevious | stdoubt: messed around a little with xine |
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| 06:43.13 | xevious | stdoubt: i like your nick, by the way :) |
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| 06:43.23 | stdoubt | ty :) |
| 06:43.42 | xevious | and which packages should i fetch to play almost any video file |
| 06:43.50 | xevious | (not that i'm referring to odd pr0n files, or anything) |
| 06:43.56 | kapil | xevious: to just play mpegs use 'smpeg-xmms' a plugin for xmms |
| 06:43.59 | jm_ | mplayer |
| 06:44.09 | overnout | mplayer is the best |
| 06:44.24 | stdoubt | xevious -probably need w32codecs (not in debian proper) debs are available thru Marillat |
| 06:44.54 | stdoubt | it's all good, dog |
| 06:46.18 | xevious | best sound server? |
| 06:46.31 | kapil | xevious: xine can work with the w32codes. |
| 06:46.32 | stdoubt | go with the Linux one: ALSA |
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| 06:46.49 | SimonRaven | i.e., none |
| 06:46.58 | xevious | well that's the drivers. dont you generally need a sound server to mix things nicely? |
| 06:47.07 | xevious | arts, esd, etc? |
| 06:47.20 | stdoubt | oh -dunno |
| 06:47.39 | kapil | xevious: use the dmix plugin that is part of alsa |
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| 06:47.52 | xevious | kapil: i'll read up, thanks |
| 06:48.21 | seina | pekok |
| 06:48.27 | xevious | gxine? |
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| 06:49.00 | seina | pada pekok |
| 06:49.03 | frvnieuw | can someone pls tell me how i can configure my keyb selection after installation in deb |
| 06:49.04 | frvnieuw | thx |
| 06:49.20 | seina | hello |
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| 06:49.47 | benjamindees | most apps support esd or arts |
| 06:49.47 | stdoubt | frvnieuw -do you use KDE by chance? |
| 06:49.54 | frvnieuw | stdoubt no |
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| 06:51.36 | bleaked | so i moved to udev. in the howto i looked at, it said to append a devfs=nomount option to my kernel line in grub. since the devfs support was cut from 2.6.14 and that's the kernel version i run, do i need to do this still? |
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| 06:54.22 | litage | i'm ssh'd into a switch and have opened up all of the ACLs and firewalls to allow a TFTP transfer between the switch (HP ProCurve 2626) and my box. however, the switch keeps saying "Transport Error" |
| 06:54.54 | xevious | marillat? |
| 06:54.59 | stdoubt | frvnieuw -do you want to change your keyboard language? By 'configure' what do you mean? |
| 06:55.07 | xevious | what's marillat? |
| 06:55.30 | bleaked | !tell xevious marillat |
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| 06:55.52 | stdoubt | xevious: an infamous wild-eyed rouge of great esteem and debauchery |
| 06:55.52 | bleaked | !tell marillat xevious |
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| 06:56.10 | darkness_ | Say my keyboard mapping which should be set to uk is messed up. Any ideas how to reconfigure? |
| 06:56.17 | bleaked | xevious.. well, /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 06:56.32 | xevious | bleaked: i just did :) i had forgotten about dpkg |
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| 06:57.21 | stdoubt | darkness_: try kbdconfig |
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| 06:59.27 | Bogaurd | anyone know of a simple perl script or something that will keep track of the total amount of traffic that has passed through an interface? |
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| 06:59.58 | darkness_ | stdoubt: Cheers, Does it require a reboot? |
| 07:00.47 | stdoubt | darkness_: don't know never used it ;] |
| 07:00.47 | stdoubt | if you have KDE it makes it really easy |
| 07:00.47 | xevious | is there a gdm/kdm/xdm equivalent that's prettier than xdm, but won't install gnome or kde? |
| 07:00.47 | stdoubt | GNOME probably too |
| 07:01.12 | stdoubt | xevious: yes -1 sec |
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| 07:01.38 | stdoubt | xevious: wdm is nice |
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| 07:02.10 | xevious | thanks |
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| 07:02.19 | stdoubt | yw |
| 07:02.24 | Le_Vert | hi people |
| 07:02.33 | martin_ | can anybody give me a source where i can find airsnort |
| 07:02.37 | stdoubt | heyhey |
| 07:02.40 | Le_Vert | how could i redefine $PATH from debian/rules |
| 07:02.41 | Le_Vert | ? |
| 07:02.50 | Le_Vert | export PATH=/usr/share/qt4/bin:$PATH |
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| 07:03.02 | Le_Vert | make: dh_testdir : command not found |
| 07:03.12 | martin_ | and howto can i configure the X server (graphically)? |
| 07:03.38 | stdoubt | martin_: airsnort is in Sarge |
| 07:03.48 | ice_1963 | when i install my nvidia driver and run kde i have no sound m/flash |
| 07:04.16 | bbmj | where does mdadm get it's configuration information from? how to i clear it. even after i fdisk the drives and format them it continues to try and start /dev/md0. this is after i've ran mdadm -f /dev/md0 and mdadm -r /dev/md0 it still tries to run the array. |
| 07:04.36 | stdoubt | martin_: graphically? is an ncurses interface graphicy enough? "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 07:04.59 | postel | Bogaurd: freshmeat for network-accounting daemon, iptraf is also out there, or grep proc |
| 07:05.24 | Bogaurd | postel: thanks - the proc is no good, it gets reset every 4gb. |
| 07:05.33 | Bogaurd | postel: or something like that. |
| 07:05.35 | Bogaurd | =) |
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| 07:06.03 | martin_ | thanks stdoubt |
| 07:06.08 | stdoubt | yw |
| 07:06.15 | postel | Bogaurd: it rolls over, if you poll it before rolling over you can have the script adding up |
| 07:06.24 | xevious | this lack of a working alt key is getting annoying |
| 07:06.41 | Bogaurd | postel: yeah - i was hoping to find a pre-written script to do just that :) |
| 07:06.42 | xevious | i can't switch windows in irssi |
| 07:06.46 | xevious | well i can |
| 07:06.49 | xevious | with /win # |
| 07:06.51 | Bogaurd | postel: do you know at what value it rolls over exactly? |
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| 07:07.01 | jm_ | xevious: try ctrl+number or <esc><number> |
| 07:07.26 | jm_ | xevious: other than that, irssi FAQ/Docs/whatever page has a suggestion about this IIRC |
| 07:07.51 | postel | Bogaurd: im not sure, get the accounting daemon and dig in the source to see how it polls the interfaces |
| 07:07.58 | xevious | esc+number worked |
| 07:08.06 | Bogaurd | postel: sure :) thanks |
| 07:08.10 | xevious | thanks |
| 07:08.16 | xevious | alt used to |
| 07:08.25 | xevious | oh well |
| 07:08.28 | xevious | esc now |
| 07:08.28 | jm_ | yeah that's a common problem |
| 07:08.48 | jm_ | metaSendsEscape to the rescue |
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| 07:09.43 | darkness_ | Mmm, i've just reset my qwerty uk keyboard to qwerty std std, yet some keys are still fubar? |
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| 07:10.29 | Bogaurd | hmm - does anyone know why 'bwbar' would report completly innacurate vales under sarge? i used apt-get bwbar to install it, and have configured it.... |
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| 07:12.59 | jm_ | did you tell it the right interface to check for bandwith usage? |
| 07:13.11 | postel | Bogaurd: % that its out? |
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| 07:13.31 | Bogaurd | postel: seems to be completley random |
| 07:13.56 | Bogaurd | though it never seems to be anything better than about 90% out |
| 07:14.04 | Azar | nice stuff that fail2ban but I cannot see what it does... or I do not need to see? |
| 07:14.10 | Bogaurd | if i'm downlaoding at 50kb/s it's most likely to say something around 4kb/s |
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| 07:17.38 | xevious | what does a .ICEauthority file do? |
| 07:17.43 | xevious | where's it come from? |
| 07:17.56 | xevious | (i'm merging a user home dir from an old installation that used kde) |
| 07:18.05 | postel | Bogaurd: adjust the -t parameter, maybe it polls every half a year |
| 07:18.23 | deeler | how to get a list what networkcard is assinged to what interface ? (eth0, eth1, ...) |
| 07:18.28 | Bogaurd | postel: tried a whole bunch of t values... |
| 07:18.34 | Bogaurd | nothing seems to work. |
| 07:18.54 | jm_ | xevious: it contains authorization data |
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| 07:19.39 | bleaked | xevious.. i believe it's X settings..google it, there are tons of results. |
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| 07:20.28 | torc | when a security package is released for stable 'apt-get source' is also updated? |
| 07:20.38 | Azar | where could I find a file named README.Debian? |
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| 07:20.54 | cheal | torc: the source packages are updated |
| 07:20.55 | torc | Azar: /usr/share/doc/<package>/... |
| 07:21.09 | Azar | thank you torc |
| 07:21.11 | torc | cheal: ok, thanks. |
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| 07:29.49 | dabaR | what is the command to see whicch pprocess is using a device such as /dev/dsp |
| 07:30.12 | valdyn | dabaR: lsof |
| 07:30.19 | dabaR | thanks. |
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| 07:30.28 | valdyn | darkness_: or fuser |
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| 07:32.05 | calvin | if i setup my dns server on my machine. do i have to wait for the ISP to update ? |
| 07:32.44 | calvin | poonj: i am stuck man. |
| 07:32.44 | torc | calvin: if your ISP will be secondary dns, its possible to notify it of your changes for it to be updated immediately. |
| 07:33.30 | deeler | how to get a list what networkcard is assinged to what interface ? (eth0, eth1, ...) |
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| 07:33.54 | calvin | torc: well. the ipaddress is 71.144.52.129 and the domain name is webmail.gwfund.com see if you can test if it work or not |
| 07:33.57 | calvin | thanks |
| 07:34.13 | calvin | torc: i dont know whats bloking it. )= maybe the firewall or the hosts.deny file. |
| 07:34.26 | calvin | been at this since 4pm. |
| 07:35.20 | ke6isf | calvin: I'm doing 'dig a webmail.gwfund.com +trace' right now, and so far I've seen calvin and berkeley. |
| 07:35.34 | ke6isf | calvin: oops... s/calvin/concord |
| 07:35.47 | calvin | ke6isf: that seems right. |
| 07:35.56 | calvin | ke6isf: can you http://webmail.gwfund.com ? |
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| 07:36.18 | deeler | how to get a list what networkcard is assigned to what interface ? (eth0, eth1, ...) or what hardware the eth0,1,2,... uses ... |
| 07:36.38 | ke6isf | calmar: Nope. Sorry. |
| 07:36.44 | calvin | damn |
| 07:37.09 | xevious | is there an apt-get --pretend option or something like it? |
| 07:37.13 | calvin | ke6isf: you think it could be the firewall or the hosts.deny file? |
| 07:37.30 | ke6isf | calvin: Could be, but hard to say - what I'm seeing is that I can't get the A record from the NS. |
| 07:37.41 | torc | xevious: -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act |
| 07:37.51 | ke6isf | calvin: So in short, if your NS is behind the firewall, then yeah. Can't speak for the hosts.deny file though. |
| 07:37.54 | ke6isf | And with that... |
| 07:37.54 | xevious | thanks torc |
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| 07:38.42 | calvin | ke6isf: 71.144.52.129 is the dns server and its behind the firewall. which is the machine you're trying to host |
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| 07:42.25 | FinnTux | is savage driver in sid DRI enabled? |
| 07:44.20 | torc | deeler: check /sys/class/net/<device>/device, its a symlink to the actual device. |
| 07:44.28 | torc | deeler: then do an `lspci` to find it. |
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| 07:46.57 | tarzeau | if i have xinerama, and an application changed the resolution in one monitor and crashed, how can i get that screen to non-scrolling highres again? |
| 07:47.12 | tarzeau | don't bother, xvidtune |
| 07:47.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:47.46 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 07:48.02 | torc | tarzeau: what about privacy? is it safe? :) |
| 07:48.12 | tarzeau | torc: privacy of what? |
| 07:48.18 | torc | tarzeau: popcon. |
| 07:48.24 | tarzeau | torc: popcon? yes if you ask me |
| 07:48.43 | tarzeau | torc: the only information sent is the package lists and their access times, you can view them |
| 07:48.59 | torc | tarzeau: does it support http connect proxy? |
| 07:49.00 | tarzeau | torc: well the reciever will know the ip address from which it comes, but that really is not associated with any names. |
| 07:49.07 | tarzeau | torc: yes |
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| 07:49.14 | torc | tarzeau: ok. installing it now :) |
| 07:49.30 | tarzeau | torc: great :) do dpkg-reconfigure it to change to http submits |
| 07:49.38 | tarzeau | i think by default it uses mail (weekly) |
| 07:49.52 | torc | nope, it only recommends mail for me on unstable ppc. |
| 07:50.22 | tarzeau | torc: yep, do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff again |
| 07:50.32 | tarzeau | dpkg popcon is also do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:50.32 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 07:50.51 | deeler | torc, /sys is empty |
| 07:51.08 | torc | deeler: seems like its not mounted, or you're on 2.4 ? |
| 07:51.19 | deeler | yes, debian sarge 2.4 |
| 07:51.27 | tarzeau | torc: 505 more people and there's 10000 popcon users |
| 07:51.29 | mkl1525 | Hi, looking at vmstat of our db server and our 2 apache web server there are about 4000-5000 context switches on the apaches and 0 on the db - is there some documentation what the context switches mean and how much they affect the server performance? |
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| 07:51.58 | torc | tarzeau: wonder where HTTP proxy is specified, dont see any mentions in /usr/share/popularity-contest/default.conf |
| 07:52.19 | tarzeau | torc: check /usr/share/doc/popularity-contest |
| 07:52.23 | tarzeau | oh let me search it |
| 07:52.48 | deeler | torc, is there perhaps another way for 2.4 kernels |
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| 07:53.01 | tarzeau | torc: i can't find any mentions either ... |
| 07:53.17 | torc | tarzeau: ok, its always possible to do it using proxychains ;) |
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| 07:57.22 | tarzeau | torc: me for one would also like to see stats on cpu type/memory amount popularity |
| 07:57.23 | juergen8 | hi! |
| 07:57.23 | juergen8 | I'm having problems with dhcp3, bind9 and ddns update. can you help me here, or is there a specialized channel_ |
| 07:57.38 | tarzeau | torc: and urls if the machine runs an http server :) |
| 07:57.54 | torc | tarzeau: imho its absolutely possible, as long as popularity-contest pkg is updated :) |
| 07:58.00 | tarzeau | juergen8: can you ask more specific? |
| 07:58.23 | torc | tarzeau: urls could be a bad thing. cause if there's an exploit for current stable apache, then some guys are in a real trouble with it :) |
| 07:58.25 | tarzeau | torc: oh, it's not *that* important |
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| 07:58.33 | xevious | testing and unstable are different, correct? |
| 07:58.36 | tarzeau | torc: only if they run apache :) |
| 07:58.40 | tarzeau | xevious: yes |
| 07:58.46 | xevious | anyone using unstable? |
| 07:58.51 | tarzeau | yes plenty |
| 07:58.55 | juergen8 | my problem is, that my clients get their dhcp adresses, and are put into the reverse map of bind. but not in the forward map (only 5 of them are). i'm using sarge |
| 07:59.01 | torc | tarzeau: i wonder how do i know if my result has been submitted successfully? |
| 07:59.02 | xevious | tarzeau: are you? |
| 07:59.08 | tarzeau | xevious: of course, alot of machines |
| 07:59.22 | torc | tarzeau: alot of machines - you mean in *production* ? :0 |
| 07:59.25 | xevious | tarzeau: could you tell me if a program called "slim" is in apt on unstable? |
| 07:59.27 | tarzeau | torc: ahhh good question, dunno, http or mail submit? run a sniffer :( |
| 07:59.29 | tarzeau | :) |
| 07:59.39 | tarzeau | torc: what is production? yes they produce stuff |
| 07:59.55 | torc | tarzeau: I mean, you consider them stable, and use for some major tasks? |
| 07:59.57 | tarzeau | xevious: nothing here |
| 08:00.03 | xevious | darn |
| 08:00.05 | xevious | oh well |
| 08:00.05 | tarzeau | torc: yes |
| 08:00.09 | xevious | just gotta install this from source |
| 08:00.14 | postel | you would be mad rolling sid in production, although it doesnt break that often and when it does the response time to the code tree are rapid |
| 08:00.14 | tarzeau | xevious: url? |
| 08:00.19 | torc | xevious: what is slim? |
| 08:00.27 | xevious | slim is a very lightweight display manager |
| 08:00.37 | tarzeau | postel: maybe it depends what kind of production and how critical it is? |
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| 08:00.45 | tarzeau | postel: and can't be generalized like you just did |
| 08:00.59 | xevious | http://slim.berlios.de/index.php |
| 08:01.01 | tarzeau | xevious: like xdm? |
| 08:01.01 | postel | tarzeau: if its "production" its critical enough by definition |
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| 08:01.07 | tarzeau | postel: i disagree |
| 08:01.14 | xevious | tarzeau: yup. but it isnt ugly |
| 08:01.27 | torc | tarzeau: cant say that debian security response is so clean and so fresh, but its at least something, while there isn't any in sid. |
| 08:01.27 | tarzeau | xevious: yes it looks ok |
| 08:01.40 | xevious | i didnt want all the muck of installing gdm or kdm |
| 08:01.43 | tarzeau | torc: well there is also in sid, it's just a bit delayed |
| 08:01.47 | xevious | but i can't stand hideous xdm |
| 08:02.05 | torc | tarzeau: and running sid on production is like running gentoo. if you want a security update for zlib - you may have to upgrade libc also ;) |
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| 08:02.30 | tarzeau | torc: you can have several test machines, running sid doesn't mean to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade daily |
| 08:02.36 | tarzeau | torc: you can do it when you *need* it |
| 08:02.39 | torc | xevious: why do that? set the shell to startx ;) |
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| 08:03.15 | tarzeau | torc: like www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ ? |
| 08:03.19 | torc | tarzeau: yeah, i like sid. but for some critical - its easier to have it the sarge way. no need to worry. just half a year upgrade - and simple apt-get dist-upgrade ;) |
| 08:03.39 | xevious | torc: i never thought of that |
| 08:03.42 | xevious | hah |
| 08:03.49 | litage | how can you determine if security.debian.org has an update for pkgX? |
| 08:03.59 | tarzeau | torc: yes we have it like that at work too. but you know 2 releases ago, apache sucked so much, i Had to use apache and bind from sid |
| 08:04.15 | postel | tarzeau: production boxes need to be available, sure the "level" of being critical is different among services but its stilla production box, services/users would be affected, maybe it wont destroy your corporate profile if you're a small house but the point remains |
| 08:04.16 | tarzeau | torc: and since you can't go back. i learnt to live with sid, and it's worked well for all the 5 years back |
| 08:04.31 | tarzeau | postel: look can we stop discussing that? do it like you want. i do it like i want |
| 08:04.40 | tarzeau | postel: we will never agree |
| 08:04.51 | Gokee2 | Anyone know offhand what package sshd is in? I thought it was in open-ssh but its not.... I did apt-cache search ssh and did not see in in there eather... ? |
| 08:04.53 | xevious | torc: would doing that create any problems? |
| 08:04.57 | tarzeau | Gokee2: ssh |
| 08:05.06 | deeler | how to get a list what networkcard is assigned to what interface ? (eth0, eth1, ...) or what hardware the eth0,1,2,... uses ... |
| 08:05.14 | Gokee2 | tarzeau, The server is in ssh? |
| 08:05.25 | tarzeau | Gokee2: yes, which is a metapackage in sid? |
| 08:05.28 | torc | xevious: i think - yes :/ |
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| 08:05.52 | postel | tarzeau: im not trying to get you changing your mind, im just presenting the facts to help you understand what production means, use whatever makes you happy |
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| 08:06.32 | torc | postel: everybody understands it. its a mater of environment. |
| 08:06.52 | tarzeau | postel: production is not a clear definition |
| 08:07.05 | Gokee2 | tarzeau, Hmm ok is installed great :) Thanks |
| 08:07.13 | torc | tarzeau: actually its possible to fetch source pkgs from sid, compile them on your 'stable sid' box. |
| 08:07.36 | tarzeau | torc: not always as easily. sometimes it's easier to just use sid |
| 08:08.14 | torc | tarzeau: sometimes its easier to compile some critical pkg by hand. cause you dont have to believe some pkg maintainer :) |
| 08:08.29 | torc | tarzeau: but that depends on how you measure critical :) |
| 08:08.31 | tarzeau | torc: yes of course, it matters alot on which package it is |
| 08:08.36 | postel | torc: always is a matter of environment, but you roll boxes that are "expected" to break either as testbeds or if there is something in the new feature set you're desperate to have, no sane man would roll an unstable tree for kicks in a corp env |
| 08:09.05 | tarzeau | postel: i'm not talking about workstations for many users. |
| 08:09.07 | torc | postel: if you grab a sid, and its not broken from start - its 85% it wont break in future :) |
| 08:09.14 | tarzeau | postel: production can be one box, for a developer, for a server too |
| 08:09.29 | tarzeau | torc: it really matters on the selected software packages that you want |
| 08:09.50 | tarzeau | torc: if you take gnome or kde or any other large metapackages, they sure will fail badly some day and cause you trouble |
| 08:10.09 | torc | tarzeau: yeah. in future I mean, that you won't ever do any dist-upgrade ;) |
| 08:10.26 | tarzeau | torc: i've dist-upgraded boxes that were not upgraded for years... |
| 08:10.27 | torc | tarzeau: I mean a snapshot of sid is quite stable. If its not broken from the start. |
| 08:10.34 | tarzeau | torc: yes that's right |
| 08:10.45 | postel | torc: thats true |
| 08:10.49 | tarzeau | torc: it can also have bugs that you never notice or never encounter |
| 08:10.59 | torc | sure. |
| 08:11.03 | tarzeau | torc: bts is great |
| 08:11.10 | torc | never used it. |
| 08:11.12 | torc | never had ;) |
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| 08:11.20 | torc | err. never had to use it ;) |
| 08:11.21 | tarzeau | torc: you should. it's useful also for selection of software |
| 08:11.31 | tarzeau | torc: say you have something that does something, and you don't know which of the 20 somethings you want |
| 08:11.32 | torc | what do you mean by selection? |
| 08:11.46 | SimonRaven | !btssmite torc |
| 08:11.50 | torc | like someone could give you a suggestion what to install? I've had that feeling with kde. |
| 08:11.53 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 08:12.14 | tarzeau | torc: no but like what people have what problems, why and if they report the bugs |
| 08:12.14 | torc | ouch. |
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| 08:13.22 | torc | tarzeau: yeah. sure. but debian is really slow on adopting new technologies. thats great for stability, but not for an ocassional user ;) |
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| 08:13.42 | tarzeau | torc: sid has all the software that others don't have |
| 08:13.53 | tarzeau | torc: or can you name any free software that's not in debian? |
| 08:13.58 | torc | tarzeau: yeah, thats why people tend to use sid a lot ;) |
| 08:14.09 | xevious | how do i install the X11 dev files? (just want to compile an app that requires the headers, etc) |
| 08:14.15 | torc | tarzeau: yeah, there is. i've seen some. even slim, which has been mentioned here ;) |
| 08:14.19 | xevious | is there a virtual package that'll do it? |
| 08:14.39 | tarzeau | xevious: you have sid or sarge? |
| 08:14.43 | tarzeau | torc: name some |
| 08:14.46 | xevious | tarzeau: etch |
| 08:14.48 | tarzeau | torc: slim is not something that i need |
| 08:14.57 | xevious | tarzeau: (etch is testing, right?) |
| 08:14.58 | torc | xevious: like x-dev ? |
| 08:15.03 | tarzeau | xevious: yes |
| 08:15.05 | postel | xevious: x-dev? |
| 08:15.06 | tarzeau | torc: more like x11-dev |
| 08:15.13 | tarzeau | torc: but it's got splitted up in sid/testing |
| 08:15.27 | torc | tarzeau: huh! x12-dev is still not in debian sid!? how could this be... |
| 08:15.28 | torc | ;) |
| 08:15.38 | tarzeau | libx11-dev even |
| 08:15.53 | xevious | that's what i'm after. |
| 08:15.54 | xevious | thanks |
| 08:16.20 | torc | tarzeau: cannot remember any that I could not live without. there is always a replacement for this. |
| 08:16.35 | torc | tarzeau: dfsg is sometimes really confusing, but you can always work around it :) |
| 08:16.53 | torc | tarzeau: sid is nice. really. |
| 08:16.55 | tarzeau | torc: what's confusing about dfsg to you? |
| 08:17.24 | torc | tarzeau: i've heard gentoo has some nifty pkgs, which sid does not have due to dfsg restrictions. |
| 08:17.30 | deeler | how to get a list what networkcard is assigned to what interface ? (eth0, eth1, ...) or what hardware the eth0,1,2,... uses ... |
| 08:17.42 | torc | tarzeau: live vmware, which gentoo could easily emerge. |
| 08:17.45 | torc | like* |
| 08:17.45 | tarzeau | torc: they have non-free software, so what? nothing that i want |
| 08:17.53 | tarzeau | torc: nobody wants that |
| 08:18.08 | torc | tarzeau: sure. for me there is always qemu or even bochs :) |
| 08:18.14 | tarzeau | torc: i don't want software that i can't get the source to |
| 08:18.15 | Gokee2 | Hello everyone, I have a laptop I am installing debain on. I have a problem when leaving it a few hours unatended it goes to sleep or something I I can not wake it.... Anyone know what this is or how to fix it? |
| 08:18.21 | torc | tarzeau: but you should not say it like 'nobody wants that' there is always someone. |
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| 08:18.41 | torc | Gokee2: like. try to install the latest&greatest 2.6 kernel and see? |
| 08:18.44 | tarzeau | torc: yes we have it too, but then you can package it yourself or get it from somewhere |
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| 08:18.59 | tarzeau | torc: debian should move non-free and contrib away from debian.org |
| 08:19.03 | torc | tarzeau: yup. and thats great. but in the end it all depends on the pkg maintainer.. |
| 08:19.13 | torc | tarzeau: like some nice pkgs are broken for weeks in sid. |
| 08:19.24 | tarzeau | torc: you can send patches, make nmus |
| 08:19.37 | Gokee2 | torc, I really want this laptop on the stable distro.... Not sure what kernal it has I forgot |
| 08:19.42 | torc | tarzeau: yeah, have to dig that new maintainers guide up. |
| 08:20.28 | torc | Gokee2: try to google your laptop name with linux keyword and see if someone had solved that already. |
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| 08:21.10 | Gokee2 | torc, ok all try that |
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| 08:22.08 | postel | Gokee2: theres a site that lists laps and compatibility? linuxmobile? or tuxmobile? something like that, google it up |
| 08:22.30 | torc | tarzeau: are there any more or less stable sid binary snapshots? like I want to install a new box and want it to install kde cleanly and so on. |
| 08:22.47 | Gokee2 | postel, I found that site... This laptop was not on it |
| 08:23.08 | torc | Gokee2: if you wont find it, you can check for any other brand which has similar hardware. |
| 08:23.14 | postel | Gokee2: sounds like trouble, what lap is it? |
| 08:23.17 | torc | Gokee2: those are all clones :) |
| 08:23.46 | postel | torc: got a point, even if its not listed if the hardwaer matches it "usually" works |
| 08:23.52 | raden | is there a GUI C++ enviroment for KDE ? |
| 08:24.16 | postel | as an IDE? |
| 08:24.21 | postel | kdevelop? |
| 08:24.25 | Gokee2 | Its a qompac psereo m2000 |
| 08:24.36 | Gokee2 | qompaq* |
| 08:24.37 | raden | postel, ill try that quick |
| 08:24.40 | binarydigit | you can use eclipse |
| 08:24.53 | postel | qompaq? is that a franken compaq? |
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| 08:25.07 | torc | Gokee2: qompaq wow. seems like an ufo thing. |
| 08:25.09 | Gokee2 | presario* |
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| 08:25.26 | torc | postel: does kdevelop support python? |
| 08:25.30 | Gokee2 | compaq* lol |
| 08:25.46 | Gokee2 | compaq presario m2000 :) |
| 08:26.14 | torc | Gokee2: http://www.google.com/search?q=compaq+presario+m2000+linux |
| 08:26.25 | postel | Gokee2: have you tried installing by now? did it break somewhere? or you're just researching beforehand? |
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| 08:26.55 | Gokee2 | postel, debian is running on it right now |
| 08:27.05 | postel | all is good then |
| 08:27.08 | Gokee2 | its apt-getting kde atm |
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| 08:28.37 | torc | tarzeau: now kdevelop is broken on sid ;( |
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| 08:29.26 | Guerin | kde breaks all the time when there's a g++ abi transition |
| 08:29.29 | tarzeau | torc: i use gorm |
| 08:29.31 | Guerin | it's how life is |
| 08:29.39 | Guerin | i use emacs |
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| 08:29.44 | torc | Guerin: what about vim? |
| 08:29.47 | Guerin | there's nothing an IDE can do that emacs can't |
| 08:29.54 | Guerin | torc: what about it? |
| 08:29.55 | torc | I wonder if python does really need a GUI , and IDE ;) |
| 08:30.46 | tarzeau | can i sort the firefox searchplugins somehow? |
| 08:31.22 | torc | tarzeau: AFAIK with some .css |
| 08:31.44 | Gokee2 | Is it normal for kdm to take about 20-30 sec to start? It seems really slow.... :/ |
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| 08:32.04 | tarzeau | Gokee2: yes |
| 08:32.12 | Gokee2 | :( so sad |
| 08:32.38 | stdoubt | Gokee2: try the Enlightenment desktop =death by eyecandy and really pretty fast |
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| 08:33.16 | tarzeau | torc: there's http://www.maltekraus.de/Firefox/Search-Engine-Ordering/ |
| 08:33.27 | tarzeau | torc: i hate firefox you know |
| 08:33.34 | HPS`Fresh | hi |
| 08:33.36 | stdoubt | the KDE in kubuntu is nice and fast though......3.4 improved in that area |
| 08:33.46 | tarzeau | torc: gets slow as a hog (1.5 one), crashes all the time |
| 08:33.49 | torc | tarzeau: i wonder if those xpi are platform dependant ?:) |
| 08:33.57 | HPS`Fresh | how can i switch proftpd to pasive mode? |
| 08:34.00 | Gokee2 | stdoubt, ok :) |
| 08:34.05 | HPS`Fresh | only |
| 08:34.07 | torc | tarzeau: opera is really nice. |
| 08:34.23 | tarzeau | torc: i like omniweb (up to version 3) and dillo and links2 -g |
| 08:34.45 | tarzeau | torc: firefox/mozilla don't work on gnu/kfreebsd |
| 08:34.55 | torc | those are too hacky. while opera has its engine right. its like 3rd popular browser. and the fastest of those top 3:) |
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| 08:35.30 | tarzeau | torc: did you try the latest dillo? not that bad, http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/dillo-yahoo.png |
| 08:35.42 | tarzeau | torc: the problem w/ opera it's not free software, no source |
| 08:35.43 | xevious | i'm setting up slim (an xdm replacement). how do i know the names of the x sessions available? |
| 08:35.53 | tarzeau | torc: and it's got tabs and the wrong/ugly gui toolkit |
| 08:36.11 | torc | tarzeau: who needs that source? ;) its free. |
| 08:36.19 | tarzeau | torc: i need the source? |
| 08:36.22 | torc | tarzeau: and btw, why does it reside in non-free, while its free now? |
| 08:36.27 | Azar | thank you guys, great stuff. |
| 08:36.29 | tarzeau | torc: there's no binaries for some of my systems |
| 08:36.34 | Guerin | !tell torc about free software |
| 08:36.48 | tarzeau | torc: because free software means you get the source, and the right to distribute changed versions |
| 08:36.48 | Guerin | torc: opera is not free, and never has been |
| 08:36.59 | torc | sorry. sorry. |
| 08:37.17 | torc | but I was quite surprised to see it in apt-get. so if its there - why not just use it ? ;) |
| 08:37.23 | torc | and thats on ppc. |
| 08:37.29 | Guerin | torc: because it's not free. |
| 08:37.33 | Guerin | not to mention it being shit |
| 08:37.34 | tarzeau | torc: your sources.list is broken |
| 08:37.40 | tarzeau | torc: you should remove contrib and non-free from it |
| 08:37.42 | Guerin | !find opera |
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| 08:37.54 | Guerin | it's not even in non-free, is it? |
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| 08:38.02 | tarzeau | torc: because when it has bugs, you can't fix them |
| 08:38.05 | deeler | how to get a list what networkcard is assigned to what interface ? (eth0, eth1, ...) or what hardware the eth0,1,2,... uses ... |
| 08:38.10 | tarzeau | Guerin: debian-unofficial.org has it |
| 08:38.22 | torc | bad. looks like I'm a sinner :/ |
| 08:38.23 | tarzeau | deeler: stop repeating, you can't |
| 08:38.28 | jm_ | torc: apt-cache show vrms ;) |
| 08:38.47 | Guerin | tarzeau: bah, debian-butwewishwewerefedora.org, you mean? |
| 08:38.53 | jm_ | deeler: drivers usually report it via syslog |
| 08:39.09 | torc | lol. |
| 08:39.12 | tarzeau | Guerin: whatever, vrms is happy w/ me |
| 08:39.16 | stdoubt | deeler: did you try ifconfig? that gives the MAC address and interfaces |
| 08:39.26 | jm_ | also look at /proc/interrupts and lspci -n output and try to correlate the two |
| 08:39.29 | Guerin | tarzeau: that's because vrms is not as vigilant as real rms |
| 08:39.54 | torc | jm_: /sys way is the most nice. but looks like its not possible on 2.4? |
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| 08:40.36 | torc | then why does debian put that "non-free" in all of the sources.list examples on site? |
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| 08:40.53 | torc | if using non-free is bad, why give people a clue to use it? ;) |
| 08:41.01 | stdoubt | freedom |
| 08:41.12 | Guerin | torc: yes. |
| 08:41.12 | torc | you still can do it yourself. |
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| 08:41.32 | torc | its guidance. if something is bad for that free-only religion - you should not do it :) |
| 08:41.32 | jm_ | torc: yeah 2.4 has no /sys |
| 08:41.40 | stdoubt | freedom...and a willingness to support other ppls need to screw themselves over |
| 08:41.43 | Guerin | torc: a substantial portion of debian developers want non-free removed |
| 08:41.56 | torc | its like opening a porn stand in the church - also called freedom :) |
| 08:42.02 | poe-t | hi! Could you please give me an url to a good howto on comiling nvidia driver for 2.6.14-2-686 (when I do it how prescribed at "Andrew's Debian-nVidia HOWTO" the compiler bitches about rivafb in kernel|inird) |
| 08:42.11 | Guerin | torc: it is rather like that. |
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| 08:42.34 | torc | Guerin: oic. can I please leave opera installed, but remove non-free from the sources.list? |
| 08:42.48 | Guerin | !tell poe-t about nvidia one liner |
| 08:42.51 | jm_ | I keep forgetting about /sys/class/net/eth0 |
| 08:42.51 | stdoubt | there is an ongoing debate over the idea of dropping non-free from debian |
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| 08:42.54 | raden | any good books for C++ newbie ? |
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| 08:43.16 | Guerin | torc: do what you like |
| 08:43.18 | torc | no need to drop anything. |
| 08:43.33 | Guerin | torc: i disagree |
| 08:43.33 | kapil | poe-t: check whether rivafb module is loaded by running 'lsmod grep rivafb'. if so then 'rmmod rivafb'. |
| 08:43.43 | stdoubt | IMNTBHO, they'd have to drop the "Universal" from the creedo if they dropped non-free |
| 08:43.47 | Guerin | torc: let others take care of non-free, as they alreadyy do |
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| 08:44.01 | deeler | i did ifconfig, but i need to know to what hardware it's binded |
| 08:44.03 | torc | yeah. move it from official site is nice. |
| 08:44.07 | benjamindees | used to find c++ for linux books in the "obsolete" section of the book store :) |
| 08:44.11 | poe-t | kapil, thanks! I should've thought about that.. really. thank you |
| 08:44.13 | Guerin | stdoubt: bullshit. It's non-free which makes the Universal bit less true. |
| 08:44.40 | torc | yeah. all depends on how one defines 'universal' :) |
| 08:44.53 | stdoubt | I guess the main issue of keeping non-free in official mirrors is the extra work for mirror ops/ but yeah non-free could take care of itself |
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| 08:45.10 | torc | but some ocassional user wants to have it on his linux box, as long as he sees 'opera available on linux now' on some site... |
| 08:45.11 | frvnieuw | how do I load a keyboard map ? |
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| 08:45.24 | Guerin | torc: users need reeducation. |
| 08:45.27 | stdoubt | Guerin: that's political reactionism you're doing =="Universal" means "Inclusive of everythinG" |
| 08:45.33 | torc | and being that free-only oriented means forget about *any* vendor support? or not ? |
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| 08:46.04 | torc | Guerin: ya know. my point is. most of the users do not to be fixed. |
| 08:46.24 | torc | Guerin: cause they are free to be who they are :) |
| 08:46.25 | Guerin | stdoubt: in debian's case it means 'inclusive of everyONE', with the obvious subtext of freeness. |
| 08:46.50 | Guerin | stdoubt: and as long as it contains non-free, it's not freely usable by everyone. |
| 08:47.11 | Guerin | torc: and people who disagree with them are free to do so. |
| 08:47.14 | torc | Guerin: maybe debian is not concerned about global linux distro dominance - then its perfectly ok with me. cause when there is a need for some functionality, some free one will pop up. |
| 08:47.16 | Gokee2 | damn apt-get makes the laptop really slow |
| 08:48.08 | torc | Guerin: its ok. then non-free should be dumped fast, so that no one could get disappointed with that :) |
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| 08:48.15 | postel | Gokee2: its not apt-get making the lap slow, saturating the link makes it slow ;) |
| 08:48.20 | stdoubt | Guerin: excuse me if what you said strikes me as sentimental -yes Debian is self-organizing co-operative community but I wouldn't see 'Universal Operating System" have anything to do with everyONE but rather everyARCHitecture |
| 08:48.22 | Guerin | torc: there's the rub. As long as people continue going 'oh, the only way i can do $foo is with non-free software, I'll just install $bar' free alternatives fall by the wayside, and new free applications take lower priority |
| 08:48.25 | tarzeau | Guerin: rms is fine with GNUstep live cd :) http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions |
| 08:48.33 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh |
| 08:48.38 | Gokee2 | postel, What link? |
| 08:48.48 | Guerin | stdoubt: well, that would be your mistake |
| 08:48.56 | postel | Gokee2: the one you're using for downloading |
| 08:49.07 | Guerin | !tarzeau++ |
| 08:49.40 | Gokee2 | postel, Why would that make the laptop slow? |
| 08:49.48 | torc | stdoubt: ya know debian is nice the way it is. but if you have to choose something - you need to check it with your requirements. if you absolutely sure that you require some proprietary stuff in pkgs - then you have to choose something else. and thats ok. |
| 08:49.59 | Guerin | stdoubt: because the fact remains that debian doesn't run on anything LIKE all architecures which exist - but excluding non-free, it IS freely usable by everyone, everywhere. |
| 08:50.15 | postel | Gokee2: define slow. network use or cpu load? or memory? or response time? or what? |
| 08:50.19 | torc | Guerin: is it ok to install some proprietary app on debian box which is not in dpkg? |
| 08:50.47 | Guerin | torc: that's for each user to decide for themselves. |
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| 08:51.12 | torc | Guerin: ok, then great :) |
| 08:51.12 | kapil | torc: it is always ok (i.e. you are free) to torch your machine if that's what you want. |
| 08:51.14 | poe-t | !tell about non-free sources |
| 08:51.54 | stdoubt | Guerin: i think i understand your point. I don't think it would be a tragedy if Debian dropped non-free, like i said it can survive on it's own -My point is, part of debians great strength is that anyone can make a .deb for it ;] |
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| 08:52.10 | Guerin | torc: you limit your own rights by doing so, and you hinder others if you recommend proprietary software to them. If you're cool with that, nobody's going to stop you. |
| 08:52.18 | Rubin | is there an ext3 tool to undelete from the journal? |
| 08:52.20 | Gokee2 | positron, responce time.. The mouse hardly moves now it seems to have got better :/ |
| 08:52.25 | kapil | torc: but debian is free enough to provide tools (alien, dh_make etc.) that will make even non-free apps play nice with dpkg and friends. |
| 08:52.25 | Guerin | Rubin: no. |
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| 08:52.31 | torc | Guerin: its just for my own use, no distribution. |
| 08:52.51 | Guerin | torc: you sound like a drug addict. |
| 08:52.53 | torc | kapil: yeah, i need those for my server, cause their rhel4 management tools are not free. |
| 08:52.59 | torc | Guerin: ;) |
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| 08:53.04 | valdyn | torc: why do you think we should care what your own moral decisions are? |
| 08:53.24 | torc | valdyn: no. I was just checking the degree of freedom. |
| 08:53.24 | postel | if non-free goes away you're left with an OS that wont play mp3, wont play DVDs, wont display macromedia flash, wont have drivers for non open-architecture hardware, who would want an OS like that? RMS? |
| 08:53.41 | benjamindees | none of that is in non-free anyways |
| 08:53.41 | torc | valdyn: sorry for spamming you with my stuff. |
| 08:53.55 | benjamindees | except nvidia I guess |
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| 08:54.25 | raden | is there something better to learn than C++ ? |
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| 08:54.34 | Guerin | postel: no, mp3 players are currently still on the outside fring of free |
| 08:54.35 | stdoubt | postel: the issue was should debian mirror ops have to deal with extra work of hosting non-free in 'official' mirrors -i don't think they should have to since the debs will be there from someplace else anyway |
| 08:54.39 | Coweater | raden: better for what? |
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| 08:55.03 | torc | raden: python maybe? |
| 08:55.19 | valdyn | to learn what? |
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| 08:55.27 | benjamindees | raden, depends, what's your objective? |
| 08:55.27 | valdyn | raden: to learn what? |
| 08:55.33 | Guerin | postel: DVDs are a different issue regarding cryptography; flash is a clear-cut case anyway; drivers can be and are being reverse-engineered |
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| 08:55.39 | kapil | Guerin: the problem with non-free is that not all non-free is equal. for example "povray" folks are working hard to resolve license issues. |
| 08:55.48 | Guerin | kapil: yes, absolutely. |
| 08:55.52 | stdoubt | as for myself -i'll be 100% RMS approved when there exists OSS-asskicking-3d-acceleration- |
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| 08:56.13 | Guerin | bah, if you wand 3d accelleration, use windows |
| 08:56.29 | Coweater | that's a silly idea |
| 08:56.43 | stdoubt | Guerin: that was a gay-assed thing to say and you know it-- unless you're a luddite |
| 08:56.57 | Guerin | Coweater: no, it's not. If you really want to use the right tool for the right job, regardless of licensing issues,then do so. |
| 08:57.09 | stdoubt | 3d acceleration is defacto expected by MOST PC users |
| 08:57.15 | Guerin | stdoubt: what about that was reminiscent of a homosexual's behind? |
| 08:57.16 | kapil | so the way i see it non-free (the part i'm willing to consider) is software that is trying to be dfsg-free but is not yet. |
| 08:57.22 | Guerin | stdoubt: so let them use windows. |
| 08:57.23 | stdoubt | if OSS can't deliver it...well, |
| 08:57.31 | Guerin | kapil: except that it's not. |
| 08:57.41 | Guerin | really |
| 08:57.42 | valdyn | kapil: no, its software that is not dfsg free, and what it 'tries' doesnt matter |
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| 08:57.49 | stdoubt | Guerin: i thought you don't recommend non-free ;] |
| 08:58.04 | torc | Guerin: some people have nice graphical accelerators on their boxes, why not give them a chance to use them to the full potential? |
| 08:58.08 | Guerin | it's the gap between dfsg-freedom and freedom of distribution |
| 08:58.15 | Guerin | torc: windows gives them that chance. |
| 08:58.21 | tengulre | I have some characters 'tmpuser:x:501:0:/home/tmpuser:/bin/sh' in /etc/passwd, how to modify 501 to 0 in shell command? like '#grep tmpuser /etc/passwd | ?' |
| 08:58.42 | postel | Guerin: using m$ is beside the point, you dont make sense |
| 08:58.48 | Guerin | my point here is that the only reason to use non-free 3d drivers is the 'right tool for the job' argument |
| 08:58.51 | stdoubt | well, all i know is i'll be happy when OSS 3d is a done deal all around |
| 08:59.00 | stdoubt | cuz i dont do windows |
| 08:59.10 | torc | Guerin: maybe that question is not concerned with non-free directly, but in overall - why not adopt windows vista ide graphical twists to linux before they release it? why keep linux == minimal ? |
| 08:59.18 | Guerin | if you're that hung up on using the right tool for the job, regardless of issues of freedom, then why don't you just go the whole hog? |
| 08:59.20 | kapil | torc: "these people would be able to use their brains to full potential if only they'll let me hypnotise them". will they be free after that? |
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| 08:59.32 | Mr_Green | how do I load a keyboard map in console (for qwerty) ? |
| 08:59.50 | sissi | hi, where am I supposed to put my ooimpress template under debian ? |
| 08:59.55 | stdoubt | Guerin: the hog's stinky is why ;] |
| 08:59.57 | benjamindees | Guerin, either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists? |
| 08:59.59 | valdyn | torc: that is in development |
| 09:00.01 | Guerin | stdoubt: but as long as you keep supporting nvidia and ati's non-free drivers, and buying their hardware which requires them, you're hampering the development of the thing you claim to want |
| 09:00.01 | torc | kapil: I agree that non-free drivers are crap. like a modem driver for my powerbook - if you're not paying to it - you modem is limited to 14.4 kbps only lol. |
| 09:00.02 | Coweater | Mr_Green: loadkeys us i think |
| 09:00.07 | jm_ | Mr_Green: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 09:00.16 | Guerin | benjamindees: no, people can use windows for some tasks and free software for others. |
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| 09:00.26 | torc | valdyn: kde\gnome stuff? |
| 09:00.29 | kapil | valdyn: i agree. it is just that even within non-free one can distinguish between those projects it is worthwhile working with and those that aren't. |
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| 09:00.45 | benjamindees | Guerin, I'd like a pci video card that supports xv and tv-out. What should I use? |
| 09:01.00 | jm_ | PCI? now that's backwards :) |
| 09:01.04 | stdoubt | Guerin what i want (3d OSS drivers) will HAVE to come from a Corp, that builds the chips......I'm supporting nvidia because they support linux DFSG notwithstanding |
| 09:01.06 | valdyn | torc: yea |
| 09:01.21 | Guerin | benjamindees: i don't know. I bought a $50 vga -> rf adaptor which requires no ssoftware and works perfectly, every time |
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| 09:01.46 | jm_ | or buy a TV with DVI input |
| 09:01.48 | torc | valdyn: thats really nice. |
| 09:02.04 | Guerin | stdoubt: because corporations never release free software. Red Hat, Sun, Novell, IBM certainly don't. |
| 09:02.04 | jm_ | some even have a VGA input |
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| 09:02.19 | valdyn | torc: well, bisically gtk is 'done' since it does support anything needed to be 'like vista', just underlying layers are being developed still |
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| 09:02.49 | torc | valdyn: thats gtk3 or what? |
| 09:03.12 | valdyn | torc: no, gtk 2>=2.8 |
| 09:03.27 | postel | Guerin: nope, think again, ibm has released more open source you can handle and sun opened up half of the solaris tree to the community |
| 09:03.33 | jm_ | KernelTraffic page had a link to a guy explaining why it would be good to move to OpenGL for everything |
| 09:03.38 | stdoubt | Guerin..... IBM has released source for some stuff and IIRC, redhat is basically OSS, and Sun opened solaris so..... |
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| 09:03.38 | Guerin | postel: *whoooosh* |
| 09:03.45 | Guerin | stdoubt: *whooooosh* |
| 09:03.56 | torc | postel: they say sun is going to open source of its java enterprise system. |
| 09:04.03 | jm_ | just think about JSF if nothing else comes to mind |
| 09:04.09 | jm_ | uhm JFS |
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| 09:04.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:04.20 | Guerin | you're all fucking stupid |
| 09:04.27 | jm_ | heh |
| 09:04.28 | Guerin | that was in response to "(3d OSS drivers) will HAVE to come from a Corp" |
| 09:04.29 | torc | no, dont say that ;) |
| 09:04.36 | stdoubt | it may not be GPL but the source is open for view -it's complicated -that's why I love debian -it's NOT |
| 09:04.44 | torc | opengl is hot. |
| 09:05.10 | jm_ | as long as you have a decent card - i.e. none of that on-board Intel shit |
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| 09:05.43 | Guerin | yeah. NONE of those companies I mentioned have EVER released free software.... and I picked those companies SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE they never have, and never will, ever release any free software. EVER |
| 09:05.44 | jm_ | .p jm_ |
| 09:05.48 | Guerin | EVEREVER |
| 09:06.02 | Guerin | am I being unsubtle enough for you yet? |
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| 09:06.11 | jm_ | no you're wrong - RedHat has also released it |
| 09:06.14 | postel | Guerin: getting there |
| 09:06.16 | stdoubt | Guerin -they will for these graphics cards of today they're like mini cpu's and they (the corps) need to be encouraged to open the specs but they never will -it's a visious cycle but no OSS hacker is going to write a good driver w/o support from the Corp. |
| 09:06.23 | Guerin | i don't want to say it, but there's a word beginning with S |
| 09:06.26 | Guerin | and ending in |
| 09:06.29 | Guerin | ARCASM |
| 09:06.54 | jm_ | I was thinking P :P |
| 09:07.14 | torc | afaik there was a decent third-party driver for sound blaster audigy cards |
| 09:07.26 | torc | that was on windows and it was better than the stock one. |
| 09:07.31 | Guerin | stdoubt: and if enough people stopped buying the latest-greatest $500 GPUs until they agreed to release one which was supported in free software, then we'd see a quick change |
| 09:07.47 | Guerin | not immediate, because at least nvidia is under NDAs for africa |
| 09:07.57 | Guerin | but if the money was riding on it, they'd make it happen |
| 09:07.57 | stdoubt | Guerin - that'll be the day :\ |
| 09:08.01 | torc | Guerin: there is hardly any demand for GPU on linux. |
| 09:08.27 | Guerin | stdoubt: yes, it will be the day - because short-sighted lusers aren't going to give up their little computer games to support it. |
| 09:08.32 | benjamindees | somehow I don't think there will be if Windows is always suggested as the solution |
| 09:08.44 | Guerin | torc: that's not what stdoubt is telling me. |
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| 09:10.27 | torc | what linux can do is try hard to lower the costs for computer game vendors to port and release their software under linux. |
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| 09:10.44 | stdoubt | Guerin: I'd be playing Mechwarrior3 *right now* if I didn't loathe windows to the point of madness.......I for one demand 3d on Linux |
| 09:10.47 | CcSsNET | yea that hole driver big juicy vid card situation blows |
| 09:10.58 | tarzeau | torc: it can't unless there be free software drivers for fast 3d video |
| 09:11.05 | jm_ | torc: how can you play TORCS without it? :) |
| 09:11.10 | tarzeau | torc: nvidia and ati binary drivers are SO PAINFUL |
| 09:11.11 | Coweater | lower costs? a number are based on id's engines, id's engines are developed on linux to begin with |
| 09:11.19 | Guerin | torc: make the hardware and the software will come |
| 09:11.24 | Guerin | torc: look at amd64 |
| 09:11.26 | tarzeau | Coweater: they used to be developed on OPENSTEP |
| 09:11.30 | tarzeau | Coweater: er NeXTSTEP even |
| 09:11.41 | jm_ | that was 10 years ago ;) |
| 09:11.47 | torc | lol |
| 09:11.49 | stdoubt | anyone who supports the GPL should want to see all functionality of the "other OS's" redone well under linux =IMO+ |
| 09:11.58 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 09:12.05 | torc | cyrix was a real crap |
| 09:12.09 | Guerin | stdoubt: not 'under linux' - 'in free software' |
| 09:12.19 | CcSsNET | yea yea cant i make fun of things |
| 09:12.39 | stdoubt | Guerin: have it your way ;] |
| 09:12.45 | CcSsNET | besides if it wasnt for them amd wouldnt have goten there atholons right |
| 09:12.52 | CcSsNET | they bought cyrix out |
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| 09:12.59 | raden | benjamindees, better language for doing like applications to access databases and such |
| 09:13.09 | Guerin | stdoubt: and people who really understand free software DO want that - it's people who go 'ow hell, i'll just install (flash|nvidia|sunjava|etc), this once' who don't |
| 09:13.11 | CcSsNET | athlons* |
| 09:13.12 | torc | CcSsNET: like you have some top secret corporate report to say that? ;)) |
| 09:13.24 | stdoubt | Guerin: good point |
| 09:13.26 | Guerin | or if they do, they're doing what they can to make it NOT happen |
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| 09:14.04 | CcSsNET | lol who needs a corprate report why do you think they bought em |
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| 09:14.15 | vimman | i am not able to figure out the package under which iwconfig comes... apt-cache does not tell me.. some one help me please |
| 09:14.19 | CcSsNET | use a logical process up there ^ |
| 09:14.32 | torc | CcSsNET: there is not direct logic to that. |
| 09:14.54 | torc | CcSsNET: sure, cyrix had some developments, but thats not that without them athlons could not happen ;) |
| 09:14.58 | benjamindees | raden, c++ is fine, I was mostly joking |
| 09:15.06 | dondelelcaro | vimman: wireless-tools. |
| 09:15.09 | CcSsNET | yea yea yea |
| 09:15.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell vimman -about search |
| 09:15.23 | CcSsNET | but without it things would be difrent |
| 09:15.29 | dondelelcaro | vimman: visit packages.debian.org specifically, and see the bottom of thepage. |
| 09:15.33 | torc | CcSsNET: and btw, that was VIA, who bought the Cyrix processor ;) |
| 09:15.38 | benjamindees | raden, but your choice of widget set will be more important I think |
| 09:15.43 | CcSsNET | uh you sure? |
| 09:15.49 | vimman | dondelelcaro: i said apt-cache was not of use.. :-) |
| 09:16.02 | dondelelcaro | vimman: apt-cache is only the *first* part of that factoid. |
| 09:16.08 | Guerin | vimman: because there are no other options in that factiod for you |
| 09:16.10 | torc | CcSsNET: please read that and never tell those things again => http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1396 |
| 09:16.18 | CcSsNET | haha |
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| 09:16.45 | Guerin | via processors are huge in china |
| 09:16.55 | jm_ | I figured out telling people about "search" factoid results in exactly that - but I can't find it with apt-cache, makes you wondered why someone even bothered writing such a useful factoid ... |
| 09:17.01 | Guerin | i'd buy stock in them if I had $shitloads |
| 09:17.12 | jm_ | wonder even |
| 09:17.13 | torc | yeah, C7 is nice. |
| 09:17.21 | dondelelcaro | jm_: it's for the self flagellation value... |
| 09:17.27 | torc | and C7 means Cyrix 7 :) |
| 09:17.32 | CcSsNET | id just like to get a mini-itc based via |
| 09:17.39 | stdoubt | I like via and the whole low-power idea........!! I doubt i'll buy another ATX again |
| 09:17.39 | CcSsNET | itx* |
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| 09:18.12 | stdoubt | I only wish i kknew how to use the rng cpu flag as an entropy source |
| 09:18.21 | CcSsNET | i must have been thinking of a difrent company then cyrix :/ |
| 09:18.24 | CcSsNET | dont ask |
| 09:18.32 | CcSsNET | but amd did buy something out forget what |
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| 09:19.05 | jm_ | NexGen |
| 09:19.14 | CcSsNET | YEA thats the one |
| 09:19.16 | CcSsNET | thx |
| 09:19.19 | CcSsNET | brain fart |
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| 09:19.29 | CcSsNET | i got the 166mhz chip at home |
| 09:19.31 | CcSsNET | socket 76 |
| 09:19.33 | CcSsNET | 7* |
| 09:19.42 | CcSsNET | just sitting in a draw haha |
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| 09:20.19 | benjamindees | so, can't somebody make a nice video card out of these VIA chips with OSS support? |
| 09:20.34 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: sure, why don't you go right ahead? |
| 09:20.39 | CcSsNET | heh |
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| 09:20.46 | Guerin | benjamindees: sounds like a great idea |
| 09:20.53 | jm_ | there was a post to LKML about making totally free video card, there's a web page for it |
| 09:20.55 | CcSsNET | id buy it |
| 09:21.19 | Guerin | i *think* the Unichrome driver is free software |
| 09:21.26 | jm_ | http://kerneltrap.org/node/4033 |
| 09:21.32 | CcSsNET | * the thing ben said |
| 09:21.49 | benjamindees | Guerin, unichrome and prosavage |
| 09:22.11 | Coweater | the unichrome driver is somewhat incomplete |
| 09:22.11 | CcSsNET | id still like a mini-itx or two in a nice dual rackmount 1U in my 8u at home |
| 09:22.15 | CcSsNET | its feeling nakid |
| 09:22.20 | CcSsNET | with just that router |
| 09:22.23 | jm_ | Open Graphics Project as it turns out |
| 09:22.48 | CcSsNET | sweet |
| 09:24.25 | CcSsNET | hmmm next project . . . i got debian on a sparc station 5. the sparcstation has a pcmcia - sbus adapter and a orinico wifi card. and a quad eth sbus. i need to turn it into a wifi gateway connecting to the wifi router |
| 09:24.29 | CcSsNET | any ideas? |
| 09:24.47 | CcSsNET | i was thinking squid but i think its a bit much for a 70mhz cpu |
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| 09:25.01 | tarzeau | CcSsNET: #sparc |
| 09:25.05 | CcSsNET | thx |
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| 09:25.21 | EmleyMoor | Not directly related to Debian (apart from the fact that that is the system I am running), but how do I verify whether my graphics card is "3D with configured OpenGL access", as required, so says winetools, for GoogleEarth? |
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| 09:25.38 | jm_ | xdpyinfo|grep GLX or glxinfo |
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| 09:27.28 | EmleyMoor | jm_: OK, I glxinfo'd - how do I interpret the output? Does the presence of OpenGL renderer string, etc., imply that the need is met? |
| 09:27.56 | EmleyMoor | (xdpyinfo | grep GLX gives GLX and SGI-GLX) |
| 09:28.09 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: yup, who's the wendor? |
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| 09:29.34 | tarzeau | jm_: but where can i buy a open graphics project video card? |
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| 09:30.33 | EmleyMoor | jm_: of OpenGL? Mesa project. If of something else, what? |
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| 09:31.54 | jm_ | vendor even |
| 09:31.55 | jm_ | tarzeau: don't ask me, I just know about the project - they have a Wiki page |
| 09:31.55 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: glxinfo gives you vendor string |
| 09:31.56 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: that's software renderer AFAIK |
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| 09:32.07 | benjamindees | what does "direct rendering:" say? |
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| 09:32.42 | jm_ | nice |
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| 09:33.48 | raden | benjamindees, lol |
| 09:33.49 | EmleyMoor | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 09:34.00 | EmleyMoor | client glx vendor string: SGI |
| 09:34.08 | raden | well im off to la la land later all |
| 09:34.26 | EmleyMoor | OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 09:34.29 | jm_ | well you have GLX, but you'll see how fast it is |
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| 09:34.47 | EmleyMoor | jm_: OK - so I just need to get the DLLs I'm missing... |
| 09:35.14 | human_error | anyone know of a lightweight mp3 player that can delete the currently playing song? |
| 09:36.40 | poe-t | whats up with Non-US packages? I keep getting "Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.fr.debian.org unstable/non-US/main Packages" |
| 09:37.09 | EmleyMoor | There is no non-US |
| 09:37.15 | Guerin | poe-t: topic |
| 09:37.20 | Guerin | everything is US now |
| 09:37.38 | tarzeau | human_error: opencubicplayer |
| 09:37.43 | tarzeau | human_error: alt+k |
| 09:37.55 | poe-t | ok, thanks |
| 09:38.11 | human_error | thx |
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| 09:41.45 | human_error | hm, open cubic player doesn't list mp3 as a supported format |
| 09:42.38 | stdoubt | human_error: it does here: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/opencubicplayer I was just looking at it |
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| 09:42.52 | cgray | hi, does anyone know if there is presentation software for linux that can render 3d and do animations? |
| 09:43.12 | stdoubt | what i'dlike to know is what is opencubicplayers' Priority? |
| 09:43.16 | human_error | tarzeau: thanks i see it |
| 09:43.31 | Ethics | cgray like say blender? |
| 09:43.35 | deadcat_ | what ip is 10.20.30.40? |
| 09:43.41 | tarzeau | stdoubt: priority like what? |
| 09:43.45 | jm_ | deadcat_: ehh? |
| 09:43.47 | cgray | Ethics: well that's not exactly presentation software |
| 09:43.54 | cgray | Ethics: afaiui |
| 09:43.56 | deadcat_ | can someone traceroute 71.144.52.129? and tell me whats wrong? |
| 09:44.00 | tarzeau | human_error: i just reported that the linux port doesn't do anything on alt-k, it's a matter of keyboard handling though... |
| 09:44.08 | stdoubt | tarzeau: as in debian policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-priority |
| 09:44.18 | Ethics | cgray so you mean something lighter ...like scala or medi8tor in windows? |
| 09:44.29 | tarzeau | stdoubt: optional, like most |
| 09:44.39 | deadcat_ | jm_: we are using pppoe+eth1 for sbcglobal. we can go out but no one can come in. |
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| 09:44.55 | jm_ | deadcat_: firewall? |
| 09:45.22 | stdoubt | tarzeau: but i don't get it- it's in Sid, but it comes with mp3 support? that's non-free i thought |
| 09:45.22 | deadcat_ | jm_: it doesnt even get to my firewall |
| 09:45.27 | jm_ | deadcat_: how do you know? |
| 09:45.33 | tarzeau | stdoubt: no it's not |
| 09:45.36 | fireba11 | deadcat_ stops at 64.164.97.81 .. some sbcglobal.net box |
| 09:45.38 | tarzeau | stdoubt: encoding maybe |
| 09:45.38 | deadcat_ | jm_: hmm |
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| 09:45.44 | stdoubt | ahh |
| 09:45.44 | tarzeau | stdoubt: madplay also decodes mp3 |
| 09:45.49 | tarzeau | stdoubt: so does mpg321 |
| 09:46.00 | deadcat_ | fireba11: ya. it doesnt even get to my box |
| 09:46.03 | tarzeau | stdoubt: file a bug if you feel different |
| 09:46.04 | jm_ | deadcat_: tcpdump -i ppp0 - if you don't see incoming packets (SYN flag) then it stops at your ISP I guess |
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| 09:46.07 | fireba11 | deadcat_: also the route in sbcglobal.net is freaking long |
| 09:46.08 | cgray | Ethics: possibly. I'm giving a presentation next week and I need to use 3d pictures. Like a cross between powerpoint (ugh) and blender |
| 09:46.21 | stdoubt | opencubicplayer looks way cool -can't wait till it trickles down to stable |
| 09:46.31 | jeanmi | I need to access a machine connected to the internet behind a NAT/router I have no access to. What I have: a public machine somewhere else on the internet and someone that can set up the machine I need access to |
| 09:46.33 | fireba11 | deadcat_: got 17 of their boxes in my traceroute |
| 09:46.39 | deadcat_ | jm_: been working on this problem for 10+ hours )= |
| 09:46.41 | tarzeau | stdoubt: that can take ages |
| 09:46.46 | jeanmi | any idea ? |
| 09:47.00 | tarzeau | stdoubt: indeed it's cool: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/ocp.png |
| 09:47.02 | jm_ | deadcat_: they should be working on it, not you :P |
| 09:47.02 | Ethics | cgray: there are a few around ive seen magic point before....you may need to export from blender as say avi or something but video in presentations is common |
| 09:47.07 | tarzeau | stdoubt: i've got a backport if you want.... (for sarge) |
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| 09:47.22 | cgray | Ethics: ok, thanks, I'll give all that a try |
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| 09:47.25 | jeanmi | I was thinking of setting up a PPP over SSH connection that would bring that machine (with an IP) to the LAN of that public machine I have on the net |
| 09:47.28 | poe-t | Guerin, the oneliner doesnot install nvidia, by the way |
| 09:47.31 | deadcat_ | jm_: helping my friend here. they have to get this webserver running by tomorrow )= |
| 09:47.32 | stdoubt | tarzeau: how safe is it? ;] |
| 09:47.33 | fireba11 | deadcat_: looks like their routing is messed up .. there should be no way to have a route going trough 17 of their boxes |
| 09:47.38 | tarzeau | stdoubt: works perfectly here |
| 09:47.40 | human_error | darn, dependency problems for ubuntu |
| 09:47.41 | jeanmi | but installing such a stuff is not very convenient at the moment |
| 09:47.44 | tarzeau | stdoubt: single binary, simple backport |
| 09:47.44 | jeanmi | any idea ? |
| 09:47.44 | deadcat_ | fireba11: thanks |
| 09:47.56 | tarzeau | stdoubt: pick sid source, debuild, done |
| 09:47.57 | deadcat_ | fireba11: let me show you what i see on the server. |
| 09:47.57 | stdoubt | tarzeau: I'd appreciate a link then |
| 09:48.01 | jm_ | jeanmi: why not use VPN tools? |
| 09:48.16 | Ethics | cgray you can also do something like recording your X11 sesion if you need to demonstrate something.... |
| 09:48.19 | stdoubt | tarzeau: eeek -never used debuild |
| 09:48.22 | deadcat_ | fireba11: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/concord |
| 09:48.26 | jeanmi | jm_ such as which ones ? |
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| 09:48.32 | tarzeau | stdoubt: much easeir and non-buggy like dpkg-rebuild |
| 09:48.36 | jm_ | jeanmi: apt-cache search vpn, pick one |
| 09:48.51 | Ethics | cgray vnc can be used to record to avi of something ive used before for training videos...may help you |
| 09:49.07 | tarzeau | stdoubt: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/debian/backports/ocp/ |
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| 09:49.24 | stdoubt | tarzeau: TY i'm checking it out |
| 09:49.30 | insipid | how is the word unstable used by the debian distrobution relative to what other distrobutions would consider unstable and unsuitable for distrobution? For example, I notice debian is a bit behind and more cautious... is this really any more unstable than say.. ubuntu or something of the like? |
| 09:49.32 | tarzeau | stdoubt: reload i forgot the deb |
| 09:50.24 | insipid | i am aware that if something breaks "TOUGH" but relatively speaking how unstable could be? |
| 09:51.06 | insipid | **could it be |
| 09:51.13 | benjamindees | insipid, depends, at the moment it could be pretty unstable |
| 09:51.21 | fireba11 | deadcat_: uhm .. shound't your interface have soem broadcast entry ? |
| 09:51.48 | deadcat_ | fireba11: brb reboot modem |
| 09:51.49 | stdoubt | tarzeau: pulling it down now -what's opc? |
| 09:51.59 | Ethics | hmm mass mp3 tagging programs that pull from IMDB/Musicbrains...any suggestions? |
| 09:52.00 | Guerin | ocp |
| 09:52.05 | tarzeau | stdoubt: ocp is the short name for it, it's called like that by upstream |
| 09:52.33 | stdoubt | tarzeau: oh jeeze -brain cramp |
| 09:52.34 | insipid | benjamindees, testing on the other hand is fairly solid? |
| 09:53.12 | stdoubt | tarzeau: are you the maintainer/developer?? |
| 09:53.17 | benjamindees | insipid, more solid, yes |
| 09:53.27 | jm_ | Ethics: how could mp3 tagging tool get the info from anywhere? |
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| 09:54.32 | tarzeau | stdoubt: i'm the maintainer mw| in #ocp is the porter. the developers did it on dos 10 years ago |
| 09:54.34 | Ethics | jm_ umm matching filename to music DB for artist then song then album.....they exist and work on windows....amarok can do individual tracks.... |
| 09:54.52 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone has a 16 way opteron working with a linux kernel? |
| 09:55.02 | Knight_Lord | I'm having problems finding a 2.6 kernel that works |
| 09:55.02 | jm_ | Ethics: why bother checking it online if you already have the info in filenames |
| 09:55.15 | stdoubt | tarzeau: yes i knew it was originally DOS I just love seeing ports like this thank you! |
| 09:55.29 | Ethics | jm_ thats the because "various artists" or Mixed albulms suck... |
| 09:55.42 | insipid | benjamindees, i don't necessarily want "bleeding edge" software packages i want them to be fairly stable.. but i do need packages that constantly update (like i said not bleeding edge.. but not to far behind) |
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| 09:56.08 | SDFH_Linux | morning guys |
| 09:56.15 | EmleyMoor | direct rendering: No |
| 09:56.19 | Ethics | jm_ also not all are named the same way so id have to awk them to death... |
| 09:56.21 | SDFH_Linux | i am getting an error during apt-get update upgrading |
| 09:56.26 | SDFH_Linux | can anyone help? |
| 09:56.46 | SDFH_Linux | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 09:56.47 | SDFH_Linux | E: Error occurred while processing xfprint4 (NewFileVer1) |
| 09:56.47 | SDFH_Linux | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:56.47 | SDFH_Linux | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 09:56.49 | Ethics | jm_ small library would be fine...mines not small hehe.. |
| 09:57.00 | jm_ | Ethics: that doesn't matter much - I put stuff in artist/album/files structure, and I have simple shell script that's calling id3 to tag them - I suppose it wouldn't be hard to find the info on-line and use it |
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| 09:57.34 | benjamindees | insipid, testing is a good choice, I mean, it's not Gentoo that's for sure :) |
| 09:57.38 | Ethics | jm_ no issue with that for a few hunderd but im in the 100K area at the moment... |
| 09:57.40 | SDFH_Linux | sorry guys |
| 09:57.42 | SDFH_Linux | anyone can help me |
| 09:57.50 | jm_ | SDFH_Linux: never heard of google? |
| 09:58.06 | SDFH_Linux | sure but i figure i get even more info here |
| 09:58.21 | blaamann | SDFH_Linux: Describe your problem rather than ask to ask |
| 09:58.28 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 09:58.38 | SDFH_Linux | i run apt-get update |
| 09:58.38 | dondelelcaro | !mmap |
| 09:58.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 09:58.53 | fireba11 | SDFH_Linux: too much sources in sorces.list ... tell apt-get to increase the max size or delete some |
| 09:59.01 | SDFH_Linux | ok how i do that? |
| 09:59.08 | jm_ | yeah google would never find a solution for that on Debian mailing lists |
| 09:59.12 | SDFH_Linux | ah wait i am reading |
| 09:59.20 | insipid | benjamindees, im not sure what you mean by that because i never tried gentoo.. i considered it but i wasnt interested in portage |
| 09:59.21 | SDFH_Linux | what you guys put above me |
| 09:59.36 | SDFH_Linux | jim i prefer asking you guys |
| 09:59.49 | SDFH_Linux | thats my choice |
| 09:59.51 | jm_ | you prefer someone doing the work for you |
| 09:59.59 | jm_ | and the nick is not jim |
| 10:00.06 | stdoubt | is Aptitude really recommended over apt-get for upgrading packages?!?! |
| 10:00.12 | caphuso | stdoubt: yes |
| 10:00.19 | SDFH_Linux | nope i prefer to get a lot of opinions even though if i agree with them or not |
| 10:00.28 | jm_ | stdoubt: that's why Sarge release notes mention it |
| 10:00.28 | stdoubt | but it's GUI!!!!!!! |
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| 10:00.34 | insipid | benjamindees, are you referring to the 'bleeding edge' packages, or the stability? |
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| 10:00.45 | jm_ | it works just like apt-get on command line and has some extra useful commands |
| 10:00.47 | dondelelcaro | stdoubt: it's curses and cli based. Lose the excess punctuation please. |
| 10:00.56 | jm_ | the only thing it lacks is source (maybe it has that in newer version) |
| 10:01.08 | SDFH_Linux | ok guys i will try this thanks for your help |
| 10:01.15 | SDFH_Linux | peace |
| 10:01.19 | Ethics | hmm i stopped using aptitude because it keeps wanting to remove 300+ packages but they are all upgraded...i think thats a KDE 3.4 thing tho... |
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| 10:01.34 | fireba11 | SDFH_Linux: it's jsut taht you asked a question that is really common and simple to solve .. so if you try google first we can concentrate on the real problems :-) |
| 10:01.37 | tarzeau | stdoubt: you're welcome, i like it too. also plays sids , midi , cd, ogg , AND adlibs:) |
| 10:01.53 | jm_ | sounds like markauto thing |
| 10:02.03 | stdoubt | oh - OK i've seen it. was dselect renamed to aptitude ? as i recall the interface was similar |
| 10:02.06 | tarzeau | stdoubt: here's some nice tunes, www.maktone.tk and gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ see music-adlib and music-misc |
| 10:02.15 | dondelelcaro | stdoubt: no, it wasn't. dselect is totally different. |
| 10:02.20 | stdoubt | tarzeau: TY |
| 10:02.23 | dondelelcaro | (and still going strong, for those who like dselect) |
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| 10:05.15 | stdoubt | OK -deselect is a front-end to dpkg and aptitude is a front-end to apt . got it straight. |
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| 10:06.31 | Ethics | so what does aptitude look at over apt-get so that apt-get dist-upgrade is completely happy but aptitude upgrade /aptitude dist-upgrade wants to remove a heap of packages that are "unused" |
| 10:07.08 | dondelelcaro | Ethics: so mark those packages that you actually want as manually installed. |
| 10:07.38 | liable | Ethics: it keeps tabs on what dependancies it installs, so if you remove something, it'll remove the deps too. |
| 10:08.15 | Ethics | dondelelcaro, in the aptitude gui? 196 packages... is there a way to mark the from a command line? |
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| 10:08.20 | Syntux | guys, I updated my bios, and now my computer wont boot, is there any solution for this? is there anyway to reset bios or re-install it without getting into the system ? |
| 10:08.47 | dondelelcaro | Ethics: sure, unmarkauto. man aptitude. |
| 10:09.00 | Ethics | syntus if your on a dual bios board yeah but on an older board you need a prom writer |
| 10:09.20 | Ethics | dondelelcaro, excellent ill go a reading... |
| 10:09.31 | jm_ | also read aptitude Reference manual |
| 10:09.43 | dondelelcaro | Ethics: you'll find the aptitude-doc package and /usr/share/doc/aptitude/manual/ usefull. |
| 10:09.53 | dondelelcaro | s/manual/html/ |
| 10:10.05 | stdoubt | Syntux: computer won't boot meaning you see no BIOS or system table? Just black? then yes prom writer or new board |
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| 10:10.44 | Syntux | stdoubt, yes, just black screen, bios post doesn't show up |
| 10:10.50 | human_error | Syntux: you might be lucky and have a bios that can be flashed noninteractively with a bootup disk |
| 10:10.57 | stdoubt | but if your OS just stopped loading it might be as simple as changing your HDD type |
| 10:11.05 | human_error | Syntux: if not, then go on ebay to get it reflashed for around $10 |
| 10:11.08 | stdoubt | Syntux: that sux |
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| 10:11.17 | Ethics | dondelelcaro, liable cheers..thanks for the clues...hopefully ill get some after the reading hehe |
| 10:11.30 | dondelelcaro | Ethics: np |
| 10:11.35 | stdoubt | Syntux: or if your BIOS chip ain't soldered on you might be able to buy a replacement |
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| 10:12.06 | human_error | Syntux: i messed up mine in a flash and got it reflashed by someone else for $10 |
| 10:12.25 | Syntux | human_error, how do they reflash it ? |
| 10:12.36 | rvalles | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.40 | rvalles | this is very mean |
| 10:12.43 | human_error | Syntux: they have boards (about $20-$30) |
| 10:12.50 | rvalles | There are no Easter Eggs in this program. |
| 10:12.50 | Ethics | hehe i flash my xbox daily but i hate flashing MOBOs hehe |
| 10:12.57 | rvalles | any workaround? :) |
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| 10:13.19 | possie | hi |
| 10:13.28 | stdoubt | heyhey |
| 10:14.34 | stdoubt | rvalles: huh? |
| 10:14.37 | liable | rvalles: add a v or two :) |
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| 10:15.00 | stdoubt | is that an actual error? |
| 10:15.41 | Ethics | it sounds like an error... |
| 10:15.56 | Ethics | apt-get install moo....perhaps? |
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| 10:16.00 | rvalles | liable: I want a cow :( |
| 10:16.11 | rvalles | liable: not a stupid snake with a cow? inside of it |
| 10:16.14 | Ethics | supercow error....sounds like one of those kind of jokes hehe |
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| 10:17.07 | stdoubt | if my computer ever says anything about super cow....not sure i'd like that |
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| 10:17.48 | Ethics | stdoubt....same sound CAU cable attenuation unit.....runs your cable lines into a house.....id like CAs for my PCs hehe |
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| 10:18.31 | john_c | hello, is there a way to find out the reason for a shutdown ? i want to know if it was from a power failure or other reason... how can i tell that ? |
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| 10:19.12 | stdoubt | super CAU? hehe |
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| 10:19.18 | Ethics | john_c is your alarm clock flashing 8).... |
| 10:19.50 | john_c | Ethics: it's a remote location |
| 10:21.00 | Ethics | john_c ...is their alarmclock flashing hehehhee.......dmesg may give you clues if it was say a USB device or something going banananas |
| 10:21.51 | ircdevil | say - what is the v in comma separated files .csv and in tab separated files .tsv v=viles? |
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| 10:22.38 | john_c | and another question, where can i read about the boot process ? any good howto/doc/faq/tutorial ? |
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| 10:23.07 | Ethics | ircdevil, values |
| 10:23.16 | ircdevil | Ethics: hm ok |
| 10:23.50 | dondelelcaro | john_c: any decent linux book would cover it; but most of it is fairly simple, assuming you don't have an initrd. / gets mounted, /sbin/init gets run, which does whatever is in inittab. |
| 10:23.53 | Ethics | ircdevil, tab delimited...is another term used for it |
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| 10:24.22 | dondelelcaro | john_c: man inittab; for details. Everything else is just the scripts and programs that get started from inittab. |
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| 10:26.21 | hfx | hiyas |
| 10:26.27 | Gokee2 | I have a Conexant CX20468-31 AC'97 sound card..... What do I need to do to make it give me sound? |
| 10:26.52 | threat | Good evening |
| 10:26.54 | hfx | how do i save a file in UTF-8 with vi? |
| 10:27.00 | hfx | in sarge :o> |
| 10:27.14 | john_c | dondelelcaro: hmmm, that was my ideea of it, but with 2.6.x i get some msgs i don't understand that well |
| 10:27.19 | threat | hmmm is UTF-8 set as your default locale? |
| 10:27.30 | jm_ | :help fileencoding |
| 10:28.10 | dondelelcaro | john_c: which message? |
| 10:28.12 | hfx | hmmm...don't think so. it's all iso in locale.alias |
| 10:28.19 | Ethics | gokee2 look up alsa driver name for the chip name |
| 10:28.21 | threat | ok |
| 10:28.34 | john_c | dondelelcaro: loading drivers i think.. or actualy testing usb devices... a |
| 10:28.37 | Gokee2 | Ethics, I can`t find it in the alsa card page |
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| 10:28.44 | Ethics | google alsa sound linux... |
| 10:28.45 | J_P | hi all |
| 10:29.00 | dondelelcaro | john_c: oh, that's probably hotplug |
| 10:29.02 | Ethics | gokee or try alsaconf and see if it autodetects |
| 10:29.10 | hfx | jm_, where do i have to type that? |
| 10:29.17 | Gokee2 | Ethics, I did that and it failed :( |
| 10:29.40 | Ethics | gokee2 is that the actual name from lspci? |
| 10:29.56 | benjamindees | insipid, both, gtg though |
| 10:29.58 | Gokee2 | Ethics, As far as I can tell :/ |
| 10:30.10 | john_c | dondelelcaro: ok, i will search some docs about it, thanx |
| 10:30.25 | Ethics | gokee2 lspci is a command you can run...is it the same as that name? |
| 10:30.36 | jm_ | hfx: in vim |
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| 10:32.11 | Gokee2 | Ethics, 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 (rev 02) |
| 10:32.26 | Ethics | gokee2 - i think this driver is the one snd-ali5451.ko\ |
| 10:32.36 | Gokee2 | Ethics, I also got found our its really a Altec Lansing card... |
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| 10:32.52 | Ethics | gokee2 try modprobe snd-ali5451 |
| 10:32.52 | Gokee2 | Ethics, How do I load that driver? |
| 10:32.54 | hfx | jm_, that doesn't give me a help text :o/ is there an extended version of vi or something? |
| 10:32.56 | liable | Gokee2: try 'update pciids' |
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| 10:32.58 | Gokee2 | ok one sec |
| 10:33.07 | hfx | ... apt get install unicode doesn't quite get it, rite? |
| 10:33.28 | Gokee2 | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-ali5451 |
| 10:33.57 | p30n | how do i list all installed packages in console ? |
| 10:33.59 | Gokee2 | liable, bash: update: command not found |
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| 10:34.20 | liable | Gokee2: err, my bad, add a - in there.. |
| 10:34.27 | jm_ | hfx: you can also convert things using iconv (vim, not vi, but it will be available as a vi alternative) |
| 10:34.31 | fatal | p30n: dpkg -l |
| 10:34.32 | Gokee2 | Ethics, SO where do I get that module? |
| 10:34.59 | Gokee2 | liable, It did something... |
| 10:35.08 | hfx | aaaah iconv :oD tyvm...forgot the name of the prog and didn't find it ^^ |
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| 10:35.33 | Ethics | gokee2 should be in there...its default alsa just alsaconf is less than perfect |
| 10:36.06 | Gokee2 | Ethics, its not..... |
| 10:36.19 | Gokee2 | Ethics, Did miss something when loading alsa? |
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| 10:36.37 | Ethics | sarge? |
| 10:36.49 | Ethics | gokee2 sarge or testing? what kernel? |
| 10:36.55 | Gokee2 | Ethics, Its stable |
| 10:37.14 | Gokee2 | I think its 2.6 but forgot.... What that command to check? |
| 10:37.14 | p30n | anyone have experience in using Cacti for debian ? |
| 10:37.20 | p30n | is it hard to get to run ? |
| 10:37.28 | Ethics | gokee2 need the new alsa sources id guess. |
| 10:37.37 | the_g0d | p30n: no, i got it to run preaty fast |
| 10:37.44 | Gokee2 | new alsa sources? |
| 10:37.53 | Ethics | gokee2 1.0.9b was in sarge when it was testing but not in the base had to use Module assistant... |
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| 10:38.06 | Ethics | Gokee2, uname -r |
| 10:38.26 | Ethics | !find alsa-source |
| 10:38.27 | Gokee2 | still a 2.4 kernal :/ |
| 10:38.35 | Ethics | thatll do it... |
| 10:38.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsa-source' (2): (/usr/lib/polypaudio-0.8/{module-alsa-source.la|module-alsa-source.so}) in sound/polypaudio-alsa ;; (/usr/share/alsa-source/alsa-source.conf, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/alsa-source) in sound/alsa-source. |
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| 10:39.59 | Ethics | gokee2 any reason not to go to 2.6 kernels you know of? you the admin of the box..... if its a play box apt-get instal a newer kernel and see if its betterer |
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| 10:41.07 | Gokee2 | Ethics, its a my dads laptop... I did a netinstal yesterday and thought it would be 2.6..... I guess I could apt-get 2.6.... :/ |
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| 10:42.09 | Gokee2 | What do I do with what dpkg said? |
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| 10:42.32 | Ethics | gokee2 linux26 on boot of the netinstall to get 2.6 kernels default for stable was 2.4 both on the cd tho |
| 10:42.37 | stdoubt | Q: is there an *easy* way to install 3rd-party fonts? I have a dir of foo.ttf files..... what could I use to get them installed? |
| 10:42.38 | jm_ | it's usually a good idea to read it |
| 10:42.52 | jm_ | stdoubt: add them to fontconfig path |
| 10:42.55 | Ethics | gokee2 nothin i was looking for something i didnt find it there.. |
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| 10:43.09 | Gokee2 | heh ok.... |
| 10:43.58 | Guerin | !kernal |
| 10:43.59 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 10:44.01 | Ethics | gokee2. it will leave the old one there so you can fall backwards.. |
| 10:44.07 | Gokee2 | ok |
| 10:45.00 | stdoubt | jm_ does that mean to just add them to the /var/lib/defoma/fonconfig.d/X/ directory? |
| 10:45.18 | jm_ | stdoubt: no, fonts.conf will tell you where it looks for them by default |
| 10:45.22 | p30n | could some tell me how to uninstall a package using apt- and if that would completely remove my settings and stuff for that package ? |
| 10:45.26 | Gokee2 | Ethics, What are kernals under? apt-cache search kernal turned up nothing.... |
| 10:45.31 | p30n | say i fucked up my sql install and wanna re-do it |
| 10:45.43 | the_g0d | p30n: apt-get remove --purge pkg |
| 10:46.02 | p30n | the_g0d: the purge is necessary ? |
| 10:46.21 | Ethics | gokee2 umm try linux they changed the naming around 2.6.11... |
| 10:46.22 | the_g0d | p30n: if you wanted clean of all config and files yes |
| 10:46.41 | the_g0d | p30n: if you want your settings, just remove and then apt-get install again |
| 10:46.48 | jm_ | stdoubt: or maybe use defoma-font |
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| 10:47.24 | stdoubt | jm_ tried that - and "echo $?" said "0" but abiword still did not pick them up :\ |
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| 10:47.32 | Ethics | gokee2 oh and its kernel ... |
| 10:47.42 | the_g0d | p30n: read about remove and --purge in the man apt-get, should give you enough info |
| 10:47.49 | jm_ | stdoubt: does abiword use fontconfig? |
| 10:47.56 | Ethics | gokee2 not an A an E |
| 10:48.04 | threat | G'Day, I am having openoffice issues, with mail merging, I join two tables together and its not grouping by primary key when the secound table has a multiple index that associates more then one record for a primary key |
| 10:48.04 | Gokee2 | ah ok |
| 10:48.21 | stdoubt | jm_ /var/lib/defoma/fonconfig.d/<dir> is listed in fonts.conf |
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| 10:48.35 | jm_ | stdoubt: which fonts.conf? |
| 10:48.37 | threat | any ideas? |
| 10:48.42 | Ethics | threat id speak to the OO support channel...we do OS more than app |
| 10:48.46 | yang | Is it reasonable to update from sarge to etch if you want to keep with new releases? |
| 10:48.46 | stdoubt | jm_ re: abiword i don't know i just thought defoma-font would "register" the fonts for the entire system |
| 10:49.15 | threat | Ethics, ok |
| 10:49.17 | Gokee2 | Ethics, So the one I should do would be kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ? |
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| 10:49.28 | threat | Ethics, is that #openoffice.org ? or is there another support channel ? |
| 10:49.31 | stdoubt | jm_ umm.. /var/lib/defoma/fonconfig.d/fonts.conf |
| 10:49.32 | Ethics | !prize gokee2 |
| 10:49.43 | Ethics | gokee2 yeppers go nuts |
| 10:49.49 | Gokee2 | haha |
| 10:49.59 | jm_ | stdoubt: /etc/fonts/fonts.conf |
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| 10:50.12 | threat | heh stdoubt |
| 10:50.17 | threat | thats a new one |
| 10:50.27 | Ethics | threat...yeah i think thats the one...the websie may have another one but try there they will know more than most of us.. |
| 10:50.29 | Gokee2 | Ethics, But that will not fix the sound will it? |
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| 10:50.44 | yang | So if I update to etch, this will become the next debian release? |
| 10:50.50 | threat | Ethics, ok, hmmm well the chan is dead :\ but I will keep on trying, thanx for your input :) |
| 10:51.10 | Ethics | gokee2 it will help it...2.6 has alsa built in where 2.4 had to be screwed around with to work i thinks.....either way its easier to debug it t 2.6 |
| 10:51.22 | stdoubt | jm_ found it TY -yikes -big file |
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| 10:51.46 | Ethics | threat NP hope you figure it out...having said that why not just make a temp table and do a select as into it... |
| 10:51.54 | Gokee2 | Ethics, Hmm ok well its about done setting it up now |
| 10:52.01 | Ethics | threat may solve your immediate issue.. |
| 10:52.04 | yang | I am experiencing some errors in kernel on 2.6.8 (sarge) |
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| 10:52.27 | Ethics | yang. debian kernel or xustom? |
| 10:52.28 | Gokee2 | Ok its rebooting |
| 10:52.46 | Gokee2 | hehe that was so easy..... :) |
| 10:53.05 | yang | Ethics: Dec 6 05:25:22 jason kernel: Dead loop on virtual device nl-ein0.eu, fix it urgently |
| 10:53.11 | yang | Ethics: debian |
| 10:53.15 | Lord_Pazuzu | Alguem fala português? |
| 10:53.27 | jm_ | !br |
| 10:53.27 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 10:54.07 | Ethics | yang cute whats it mean?.. |
| 10:54.42 | Ethics | yang nl-ein0.eu,...pc? or device? |
| 10:54.54 | yang | Ethics: device |
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| 10:55.45 | Ethics | yang...anything on kernel.org BTS or Debian BTS regarding similar? |
| 10:56.09 | yang | Ethics: its being fixed in 2.6.12, so i am deciding either to update to etch? |
| 10:56.23 | jm_ | you an use 2.6.12 with Sarge |
| 10:56.24 | jm_ | can |
| 10:56.25 | yang | since 2.6.8 is the kernel for sarge |
| 10:56.32 | stdoubt | jm_ "oh, hell ya!" I copied the .ttf files to /usr/share/fonts/truetype and abiword sees them now Thank You ! |
| 10:56.41 | Gokee2 | ok its up |
| 10:56.51 | jm_ | stdoubt: not a good idea, would be better to use ~/.fonts or /usr/local/fonts perhaps |
| 10:56.56 | Gokee2 | I am letting alsaconfig do its thing just in case |
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| 10:57.52 | stdoubt | jm_ true, true |
| 10:57.52 | Ethics | yang just pull the kernel and udev i think is all thats required but there are wiser than i here that may know what else is required for 2.6.12 + |
| 10:57.52 | yang | jm_: but apt search doesnt give me any result for 2.6.12 |
| 10:57.53 | jm_ | yang: that would be because it's not in Sarge - backports.org or your own custom kernel will do fine |
| 10:58.00 | Ethics | yang actualli compiled vanilla 2.6.12 and udev when it came out onto my sarge testing box....it should be ok.. |
| 10:59.15 | Gokee2 | Ethics, ok so now I am in 2.6 alsaconfig failed again.... Should I try the modprobe thing again? |
| 10:59.17 | liable | Ethics: why udev? |
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| 10:59.32 | jm_ | liable: some people are into SM :P |
| 10:59.37 | liable | heh |
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| 11:00.02 | Ethics | liable...2.6.12 required a minimum higher at the time....it may have updated by the time it went stable...the maintainer sent me a deb to try as he made it |
| 11:00.34 | Gokee2 | Ethics, Hey! This time with modprobe it said "Setting up ALSA...done."... Still can`t open alsamixer.... What next? |
| 11:00.47 | Ethics | gokee2 lsmod and see if theres anything soundish there already..oss may be blocking |
| 11:00.58 | jm_ | Ethics: that is only true for Debian's kernel, vanilla doesn't require udev crap |
| 11:01.41 | dr-nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.52 | Ethics | jm_ 2.6.13 does tho yeeah...just so i understand the timelines.. devfs is deprecated now .. |
| 11:01.55 | Gokee2 | Ethics, snd 57156 6 snd_ali5451,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 10336 1 snd |
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| 11:02.05 | dushtabuddhi | give me the horizontal sync and vertical refresh rates of a monochrome monitor that you have been using/used... i need to test it on mine. |
| 11:02.17 | liable | you still dont need udev.. |
| 11:02.32 | Ethics | jm 2.6.12 release notes from kernel org had it in them.... |
| 11:02.46 | yang | Ethics: so its not buggy to update to etch, like someone said to me...? |
| 11:02.49 | jm_ | Ethics: it's not needed |
| 11:02.50 | Gokee2 | Ethics, A few more things like that too..... How do I kill them all? |
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| 11:03.03 | Ethics | gokee2 what does alsamixer say when you try to run it? |
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| 11:03.14 | vimman | i am able to ping to my dns ip.. but not google. in general am able to ping to ips.. but not hostnames.. .. i had added my dns ips in /etc/resolve.conf prefixed with nameserver .. if some one has a hint of why it could be please tell me |
| 11:03.22 | Gokee2 | Ethics, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 11:03.45 | Ethics | yang 2.6.12 seemed fine to me with the udev version at the time of 2.6.12 release but i dont play enough to say stable... |
| 11:03.48 | liable | vimman: try a different dns |
| 11:04.12 | kapil | vimman: perhaps its the speling :) /etc/resolv.conf not /etc/resolve.conf |
| 11:04.18 | liable | yang: yes, etch is buggy as hell atm! |
| 11:04.28 | Ethics | gokee2 alsaconf again it shoul kill processes |
| 11:04.46 | liable | yang: and yes, udev will probably give you grief at some point |
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| 11:05.03 | grumpydog | Hi guys, I have an old geforce 64mb mmx440 card that will only take a max colour depth of 8 which is no good. Is it worth just sticking in a new card rather than just messing around with it? |
| 11:05.08 | liable | yang: and no, you dont need it unless you use gnome |
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| 11:05.25 | Ethics | yang, if its a server stay on sarge and just pull from dpo...or compile vanillas |
| 11:05.39 | liable | gnite |
| 11:06.02 | yang | Ethics: the thing is that i want to keep current with new release...i dont want to get outdated packages on sarge |
| 11:06.21 | Gokee2 | Ethics, Ok the only thing soundish left is "soundcore 10336 1 snd".... alsamixer still gives same problem |
| 11:06.46 | Coweater | grumpydog: that card will easily handle more, sounds like a configuration problem |
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| 11:06.55 | stdoubt | grumpydog: which driver are you using for it? vesa? even with vesa a card that new should do 24 depth -maybe the card is fried somehow? |
| 11:07.07 | Ethics | yang, umm then testing/etch is the go but it is somewhat broken...it runs and most things work but i get oddities daily atm.. |
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| 11:07.36 | yang | Ethics: i dont have many packages running on the server, anyway, its not some testing platform :) |
| 11:07.44 | Ethics | yang today show desktop and the task switcher in gnome just crashed on boot....i dunno |
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| 11:08.15 | Gokee2 | Ethics, So what do I do now? |
| 11:08.34 | Ethics | yang totem has been working fine so the porn is still useable hehhe...internet works....basics of life worki for me... |
| 11:08.48 | grumpydog | Coweater, stdoubt could be a configuration problem but seems unlikely stdoubt yes using for vesa...let me go and play around with it a little more, see if I can fix it. |
| 11:08.56 | Guerin | grumpydog: use nv |
| 11:09.06 | Ethics | did you run update-pciids? |
| 11:09.07 | grumpydog | Guerin, alright will try that |
| 11:09.12 | Guerin | grumpydog: that card will definitely support up to 24-bit depth with nv |
| 11:09.22 | Ethics | Gokee2, ^^^ |
| 11:09.33 | yang | Ethics: i have etch on my workstation, nothing really failed so far, except that udev/hotplug have some issues |
| 11:09.46 | Gokee2 | Ethics, ah not since 2.4 all do that |
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| 11:10.04 | Ethics | yang...you could just use pinning...that way you keep stable and pull the stuff you need to update... |
| 11:10.37 | Ethics | yang you only brak what you choose to then.. |
| 11:10.45 | tkircrc | Hi! Would you recommend me switching to xorg? (I am currently using sid) |
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| 11:11.06 | Guerin | tkircrc: if you're using sid, you should already be on xorg |
| 11:11.20 | yang | Ethics: but etch will at some point become stable |
| 11:11.21 | Gokee2 | Ethics, ok that did something..... something with http and what not ? but alsamixer still fails to open :/ |
| 11:11.34 | Guerin | tkircrc: there's no reason to continue using xfree; then again, if xfree works there's no reason to change. |
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| 11:11.54 | Ethics | yang....sarge took what 3 years or so....etch is what 4 months born?... |
| 11:11.57 | Guerin | Ethics: mixing stable and anything else is a recipe for disaster - pinning or no |
| 11:12.46 | trueno | Guerin: what's the point of switching to xorg, then? |
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| 11:13.08 | Ethics | guerin: yeah i agree but id rather not suggest a server even a simple one going to etch completely...basically its a kernel problem but also wants occasional new packages.... |
| 11:13.08 | possie_ | is there a "debian way" to create your own kernel image used for installations? |
| 11:13.18 | jm_ | trueno: licence change obviously |
| 11:13.25 | Guerin | trueno: license |
| 11:13.37 | jm_ | possie: read debian installer docs |
| 11:13.42 | Gokee2 | Ethics, So er what do i do to it next? |
| 11:13.51 | Guerin | trueno: unless you have a video card which isn't properly supported in xfree 4.3.x, there's not really eny reason |
| 11:13.52 | the_g0d | dpkg tell possie_ about kp |
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| 11:13.54 | Guerin | any |
| 11:14.11 | Guerin | trueno: but many users of debian DO have such cards, and xorg is the way forward |
| 11:14.15 | Ethics | gokee2 lspci again and check what the audio lines are again just to confirm an exact match |
| 11:14.29 | Guerin | trueno: also the new modular code tree will/should make development easier and more open |
| 11:14.39 | yang | Ethics: How does it work...new packages get in sid first, then into etch if they are stable enough, and sarge doesnt get any new packages at all? |
| 11:15.17 | tarzeau | yang: not stable enough, after 2, 5 or 10 days |
| 11:15.20 | Gokee2 | Ethics, "0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)" |
| 11:15.20 | tarzeau | yang: or more days |
| 11:15.24 | Ethics | yang correct....but testing may not get the same security updates..although i think they get...Some... |
| 11:15.24 | Guerin | Ethics: backports are the answer |
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| 11:15.31 | tarzeau | yang: some only or first get into experimetnal first, like gcc 4.1 |
| 11:15.43 | tarzeau | yang: stable gets new packages when its released |
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| 11:16.00 | tarzeau | Guerin: not everything can be backported |
| 11:16.04 | grumpydog | Guerin, stdoubt Coweater thanks guys...got it working. need to be NV that is all. |
| 11:16.14 | [Bartje] | hi, is there somebody with EMC experience on Debian? |
| 11:16.19 | stdoubt | grumpydog -cool |
| 11:16.38 | stdoubt | would hate to see a 64MB card go to a landfill ;] |
| 11:16.46 | trueno | Guerin: I see the point... are older cards supported by xorg? |
| 11:17.00 | Gokee2 | Ethics, So whats wrong with it? |
| 11:17.16 | yang | !sarge->etch |
| 11:17.38 | Ethics | gokee2 sec google my friend |
| 11:17.48 | Ethics | gokee2 im searchign atm |
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| 11:18.18 | Grant_ | Hey guys, has anyone seen a .deb package for ISPman? |
| 11:18.30 | Gokee2 | Ethics, ok :) |
| 11:18.30 | resiak | Grant_: About three miles west, arrr. |
| 11:18.36 | yang | dpkg tells me, I need to do apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade, isnt it missing the apt-get upgrade before dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:18.38 | possie_ | jm_, installation manual on debian.org? |
| 11:18.50 | resiak | yang: No. man apt-get |
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| 11:19.51 | jm_ | possie_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:20.44 | jm_ | possie_: I think the old version of IM had a chapter about this, but the Sarge one doesn't |
| 11:20.49 | trueno | yang: they are different |
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| 11:22.21 | possie_ | jm_, okee, cause i used todo it being changing the linux.gz on the bootable floppy, but i don't know if this is the correct debian way todo it |
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| 11:23.01 | Guerin | tarzeau: more or less |
| 11:23.09 | Guerin | trueno left |
| 11:23.09 | Ethics | gokee2 try modprobing snd-atiixp |
| 11:23.10 | Guerin | nice |
| 11:23.21 | Grant_ | So im assuming no one has a deb package for ISPman? |
| 11:23.24 | possie_ | the_g0d, kp is not for an installer right? only for running debian installs ? |
| 11:23.33 | Ethics | gokee2 heres your link http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ATI&card=.&chip=IXP+150%2C+IXP+200%2C+IXP+250&module=atiixp |
| 11:23.50 | jm_ | possie_: sure it works just fine |
| 11:23.58 | Gokee2 | Ethics, ok |
| 11:24.15 | Gokee2 | same problem after a modprobe |
| 11:24.37 | Gokee2 | Do I need to somehow get rid of the old modeprobe? |
| 11:24.56 | Guerin | wth is ispman? |
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| 11:25.25 | possie_ | jm_, well, during install it will copy the kernel image (that is packaged on the cd it self, or download it from internet), so afther installation is complete i need to boot via other disk, and then reinstall a new kernel image, this is a bit cumbersome, cause i need to isntall a couple of boxes atm |
| 11:25.51 | harleyg | when is kde 3.5 going to be able to apt-get without breaking kde |
| 11:26.13 | tarzeau | harleyg: when etch gets stable? |
| 11:26.19 | harleyg | whens that? |
| 11:26.19 | tarzeau | or #debian-kde |
| 11:26.22 | Guerin | harleyg: when it's ready |
| 11:26.24 | tarzeau | end of 2006 |
| 11:26.33 | harleyg | omfg |
| 11:26.33 | harleyg | :) |
| 11:26.35 | jm_ | possie_: that's why you create custom CD-s |
| 11:26.55 | Guerin | harleyg: kde is *huge*, and there's a g++ abi transition happening now which affects all c++ programs |
| 11:27.03 | Guerin | harleyg: and ALL of kde is written in c++ |
| 11:27.08 | harleyg | ok |
| 11:27.10 | Guerin | so that's the problem |
| 11:27.20 | Coweater | is 3.5 even out of unstable? |
| 11:27.28 | Guerin | Coweater: it's not even IN unstable |
| 11:27.33 | Guerin | as far as I know |
| 11:28.09 | Guerin | i mean |
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| 11:28.15 | Guerin | it was released what ... a week ago? |
| 11:28.19 | harleyg | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5-rc1/ |
| 11:28.22 | harleyg | does that work? |
| 11:28.23 | Guerin | give over, people |
| 11:28.28 | Guerin | harleyg: suck it and see |
| 11:28.32 | harleyg | lol |
| 11:28.38 | harleyg | not in debian atm :P |
| 11:28.48 | liran | ayy |
| 11:28.55 | liran | so many unmet dependencies |
| 11:28.57 | liran | im stuck |
| 11:29.20 | Guerin | liran: welcome to unstable |
| 11:29.29 | liran | heh, but my sources are stable :) |
| 11:29.33 | antgel | harleyg: what is it about unstable users that makes them want to install the most bloated, complicated, packages? |
| 11:29.38 | Guerin | liran: then you have mixed sources |
| 11:29.52 | harleyg | 3.5 is better thats why |
| 11:29.55 | harleyg | i hate using old stuff |
| 11:29.57 | Guerin | liran: or you have something that's not in debian, like kde 3.6 |
| 11:29.59 | resiak | !versionitis |
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| 11:30.04 | antgel | liran: you've knobbed something up or you're not telling us something |
| 11:30.05 | Guerin | or gnome 2.14 |
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| 11:30.09 | resiak | Gah, who killed that one? |
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| 11:30.16 | liran | lol |
| 11:30.19 | liran | yeah its not pure debian |
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| 11:30.30 | resiak | Well then you can't complain |
| 11:30.34 | Ethics | Gokee2, read the link thats as much as i can tell you untill youve done it all. |
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| 11:30.38 | nairu | ciao a tutti ragazzi |
| 11:30.38 | liran | true :) |
| 11:30.40 | Guerin | resiak: you can complain, we just won't care |
| 11:30.41 | hrw|work | hi |
| 11:30.45 | liran | haha |
| 11:30.46 | Guerin | !pal liran |
| 11:30.54 | hrw|work | someone tried to rebuild kdepim 3.5.0 maybe? |
| 11:31.08 | Gokee2 | Ethics, I copyed the stuff into the file and am running update-modules now :) |
| 11:31.25 | antgel | harleyg: why is it better? why do you hate using old stuff? my advice is *use* your workstation, don't just sit there upgrading stuff |
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| 11:31.38 | antgel | hrw|work: maybe |
| 11:31.43 | Ethics | cool that may help alsa conf find the sucker 8)...seems conexant like changing revisions 8) |
| 11:31.52 | harleyg | old stuff is bad... just the thought of knowing something is betetr makes me feel sick |
| 11:32.21 | Guerin | !kde3.5 is <reply> KDE 3.4 not new enough for you? 3.5 was released a matter of days ago, and it's not in debian. Ask #debian-kde, they might have ideas. |
| 11:32.21 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 11:32.22 | jm_ | harleyg: so you're getting worse with each day then? |
| 11:32.26 | Ethics | harleyg working is better than broken....better tis relative to usefulness i feel |
| 11:32.34 | harleyg | :) |
| 11:32.35 | Guerin | any op who wants to put that in the topic is welcome to |
| 11:32.40 | hrw|work | Guerin: thx |
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| 11:33.45 | resiak | Guerin: Wishful thinking. |
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| 11:33.57 | hrw|work | cu then |
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| 11:34.01 | antgel | harleyg: suggest you take a look at your comment ^^ and think about it. in any case, debian is really not geared to those who want to be on the bleeding-edge |
| 11:34.10 | antgel | !afo |
| 11:34.10 | dpkg | antgel for ops! |
| 11:34.14 | antgel | woohoo |
| 11:34.40 | harleyg | thats why i use other debian distros, based on debian :) |
| 11:34.40 | toresbe | ~no, afo is ~= s/afo/abrotman/ |
| 11:34.42 | harleyg | or... gentoo |
| 11:34.52 | resiak | toresbe: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:34.53 | toresbe | !no, afo is ~= s/afo/abrotman/ |
| 11:35.04 | toresbe | uh |
| 11:35.05 | resiak | !literal afo |
| 11:35.05 | dpkg | "#debian afo" is "<reply>(antgel|abrotman|anyone) for ops!" |
| 11:35.07 | resiak | toresbe: ^^ |
| 11:35.12 | toresbe | haha |
| 11:35.14 | toresbe | aaaah |
| 11:35.32 | antgel | toresbe: a blinding display of bot-fu |
| 11:35.52 | toresbe | antgel: of bad bad botfu :) |
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| 11:36.27 | Guerin | resiak: implied by the string 'op' |
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| 11:36.48 | resiak | Guerin: toupé |
| 11:37.16 | toresbe | resiak: so, ignoring the faulty trigger and the wrong substitute string, was that right? |
| 11:37.21 | Gokee2 | Ethics, I did everything in the link (exept installing alsa alsa-lib and alsa-utils as I already have them) And i still get the same problem..... |
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| 11:37.25 | antgel | dpkg: no, afo is <reply>(antgel|abrotman|anyone|asg|azeem) for ops! |
| 11:37.25 | dpkg | okay, antgel |
| 11:37.34 | jm_ | toresbe: no |
| 11:37.39 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:38.28 | Ethics | hmm.. alsaconf spat it? |
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| 11:39.18 | Gokee2 | Ethics, alsaconf has not found anything... I tried it again too |
| 11:39.35 | Guerin | !hairsmite resiak |
| 11:39.48 | Guerin | someone other than me should make a hairsmite |
| 11:40.14 | Ethics | gokee2 hmm modprobe loaded modules but alsamixer still complains? |
| 11:40.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:40.16 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:40.24 | Gokee2 | Ethics, Yes |
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| 11:41.31 | resiak | toresbe: I still have no idea what the hell you were trying to do. Replace antgel with abrotman? No, it wasn't! |
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| 11:41.44 | antgel | !rfo |
| 11:41.44 | dpkg | Nachos666 for ops! |
| 11:41.57 | Ethics | gokee2 ...vhanged your asound file? |
| 11:42.23 | resiak | toresbe: if you had done !afo =~ s/afo/abrotman/, dpkg would have told you to piss off because the string "afo" isn't in that factoid. |
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| 11:42.54 | toresbe | resiak: thanks! |
| 11:43.01 | toresbe | !literal rmssmite |
| 11:43.10 | resiak | !literal cmd: rmssmite (.*?) |
| 11:43.10 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: rmssmite (.*?)" is "($1): <action> ties $1 to a PDP-10 and forces them to listen to the Complete Recorded Works of RMS, including several extended unreleased versions of the Free Software Song, for the crime of misusing terminology." |
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| 11:43.25 | Gokee2 | Ethics, yes |
| 11:43.41 | toresbe | oh, bloody hell, someone's already done it |
| 11:43.56 | toresbe | I've been annoyed about that factoid for ages, and it's been fixed |
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| 11:44.16 | Ethics | gokee2 then your in inknown territory for me...there was fixes in 2.6.13 for this driver but if its your issue i dunno.. |
| 11:44.22 | toresbe | But I bet they haven't fixed the FUBAR factoid! Mwahahahaha. |
| 11:44.26 | toresbe | !literal fubar |
| 11:44.26 | dpkg | "#debian fubar" is "Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in a VAX" |
| 11:44.33 | grumpydog | Hrmm must admit apart from the card issue, that is probably one of the easiest setups ever. |
| 11:45.00 | Gokee2 | Ethics, :( other people with this laptop had sound working off the bat in ubuntoo |
| 11:45.02 | toresbe | !fubar =~ s/a VAX/some VAXen and PDP-11s/ |
| 11:45.03 | dpkg | OK, toresbe |
| 11:45.06 | toresbe | whoo |
| 11:45.12 | toresbe | I done made a bot change |
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| 11:47.09 | Ethics | gokee2 grab their info from lspci, asound and see whats different...ubuntu is the same as debian at this level software wise...they have better hwinfo i think but hey we will get it soon enough..how it works may be a thing to tell the D-I team once you figure it out.. |
| 11:47.40 | xalibur | xalibur:~$ man readNo manual entry for read |
| 11:47.42 | Ethics | gokee2 i dont understand why but knoppix and ubuntu seem to have much better hw autoconfig stuff... |
| 11:47.54 | xalibur | why? do I miss some package or what? |
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| 11:48.10 | antgel | Ethics: newer kernels |
| 11:48.24 | jm_ | xalb;obviously |
| 11:48.25 | resiak | xalibur: Why were you expecting there to be a manpage for "read"? |
| 11:48.29 | Ethics | gokee2 this has been proven many times with multiple areas of hardware...speedstepping is one in particular that made me load ubuntu on my laptop instead of debain.. |
| 11:48.32 | xalibur | isn |
| 11:48.45 | xalibur | t there supposed to be entrys for like c things |
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| 11:48.57 | resiak | !info manpages-dev sarge |
| 11:48.58 | Ethics | antgel, old hardware still isnt found in debian... |
| 11:48.59 | resiak | xalibur: ^^ |
| 11:49.09 | Gokee2 | Ethics, I would guess I could ask for help on the form I read about it working on |
| 11:49.10 | jm_ | read is a system call and yes, there is a package which has man page for it |
| 11:49.16 | xalibur | ah system call |
| 11:49.32 | Gokee2 | Ethics, Are you useing ubuntu right now? |
| 11:49.33 | xalibur | anyone knows what package? |
| 11:49.38 | resiak | xalibur: manpages-dev |
| 11:49.42 | xalibur | ok |
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| 11:50.10 | dpkg | manpages-dev: (Manual pages about using GNU/Linux for development), section doc, is standard. Version: 1.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1047 kB, Installed size: 2660 kB |
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| 11:50.59 | Ethics | gokee2 ask in ubuntu if anyon has it running thats online...they can show you theiir files in #flood or something if there is....its a pretty new laptop so it may need the alsa 9.0b stuff....which is/was in testing version of sarge....shoube be there still...alsa-source was the old package name and you could install it via module assistant |
| 11:51.08 | Ethics | if i remember rightly |
| 11:51.13 | Ethics | !ich6 |
| 11:51.13 | dpkg | ich6 is, like, a new intel chipset. SATA supported under ide-piix. audio on sarge needs either 1.0.8 (alsa-source)....snd-azx is the 1.0.8 version of the driver. 1.0.9 hda-intel driver is much better tho but not packaged. D-i RC3 should find sata automatically as it has been bugfixed but modprobe will find it if not autoconfiged |
| 11:52.04 | Ethics | gokee2 that was the same problem with ich6 when sarge went live fixed in the newer kernels as als 9 was built in to them |
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| 11:52.25 | Gokee2 | Ethics, ich6? |
| 11:52.34 | Ethics | should prolly update the factoid or delete it now...its old news |
| 11:52.53 | Ethics | gokee intel onboard sound.... |
| 11:52.58 | Gokee2 | ahh |
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| 11:53.32 | lnx_rulez | Hello all! Sugestion: Pykota or PrintBill? Clients debian/w2k and server samba+openldap. |
| 11:53.49 | lnx_rulez | ... + cups |
| 11:54.10 | xalibur | wohoo! thanx duuds :) |
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| 11:57.38 | mop | hi, I'm writing a little prog to test libbfd and the result is "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-fini.c: 66: _dl_fini: Assertion `i == _rtld_local._dl_nloaded' failed! |
| 11:57.38 | mop | " there is some trick to workaround this problem ? |
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| 12:06.58 | brynjarh | Anyone here expirenced the improvments of using software such as SuperMemo http://supermemo.com/ (has very extencive documentation on both the software and idea/practice/theory/etc..), MemAid http://memaid.sourceforge.net/ , Rememorizer http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=27012&group_id=129676 and jMemorize http://riad.de/jmemorize/ ? |
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| 12:08.51 | brynjarh | This kind of software should really be mainstreamed and talked about amongs free software developers to develop it further, killer app for human memory/studying/education. |
| 12:08.53 | yves | hello |
| 12:08.55 | michal_ | hi.. anyone know if it's possible to use sed to replace stings in a file? or is it just for streams? |
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| 12:09.07 | jm_ | yes |
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| 12:09.43 | michal_ | jm: are you responding to me? |
| 12:09.47 | resiak | michal_: man sed |
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| 12:10.07 | michal_ | i've looked at the man page for sed.. can't see anything about modifying a file in place |
| 12:10.08 | yves | I'have just instlled debian testing on my usb hard drive. I would want to plug it on several computer su I see that kudzu can detect hardware and configure the system at boot time |
| 12:10.14 | yves | but I can't install it :( |
| 12:10.31 | jm_ | michal_: yes |
| 12:10.48 | yves | it say that it is into the package list but it can install it |
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| 12:10.53 | resiak | michal_: And searching the manpage for "in place" gives, as the FIRST HIT, the option to do it, so you clearly _haven't_ read it. |
| 12:11.25 | michal_ | resiak: well that string doesn't exist in the sed manpage i'm looking at |
| 12:11.34 | resiak | michal_: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 12:11.41 | jm_ | yves: it's not in Sarge |
| 12:11.46 | michal_ | 3.0 |
| 12:11.58 | resiak | michal_: I see. Look at -i |
| 12:12.04 | yves | jm_, I m using etch I think (testing) |
| 12:12.18 | michal_ | no -i either |
| 12:12.30 | resiak | Why are you still using Woody? |
| 12:12.44 | yves | the is the package but it is virtual I think (ther is a 'v' near the package name when I do aptitude search) |
| 12:13.08 | michal_ | hmm.. i'll just upgrade sed |
| 12:13.28 | yves | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.32 | michal_ | cool.. very handy |
| 12:13.34 | michal_ | thanks |
| 12:14.22 | jm_ | yves: wait, I mis-read it, it's in Sarge but not in Etch (/msg dpkg why is kudzu not in testing0 |
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| 12:14.36 | eka | hi all |
| 12:14.43 | eka | anyone knows this error? Error: mod_caucho.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 12:14.56 | yves | jm_, but when I search with aptitude it is here :c( |
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| 12:15.05 | eka | i'm having troubles making ssl to work |
| 12:15.11 | jm_ | yves: yes, it probably was available in the past |
| 12:15.13 | yves | so is there another way to detect hardware and configure system at boot time ? |
| 12:15.44 | hp_ | Hello all! Sry, my conection close. Any sugestion? Pykota or Printbill -> clientes debian/w2k server samba+openldap? |
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| 12:17.39 | antgel | !kudzu |
| 12:17.39 | dpkg | well, kudzu is redhat's hardware autodetection and configuration program, which runs each boot to check for and configure any changed hardware on the system. a dip shit, or another word for 'dirty kludge', and a noxious vine which smothers everything it touches. You have been warned. |
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| 12:18.04 | antgel | yves: discover, hotplug, udev |
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| 12:19.43 | threat | gay, thunderbird and LDAP addressbook has no write access :( |
| 12:19.53 | antgel | !tell threat about gay |
| 12:20.02 | yves | antgel, so If I install those package and I plug my usb hardrive on another one computer, the good modules should be loaded ? :) |
| 12:20.09 | threat | and where the hell do I get the thunderbird schema from ? |
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| 12:20.44 | antgel | yves: indeed. also /msg dpkg pmount |
| 12:20.47 | threat | antgel, hi |
| 12:20.58 | antgel | hi, doctor nick |
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| 12:22.23 | yves | antgel, I don't mind automount etc... I search for hardware detection and system configuration :) I know about 'mount' command :) |
| 12:22.37 | yves | thank I will try those packages... |
| 12:22.50 | antgel | yves: i said pmount, not mount :) |
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| 12:23.41 | eka | any one knows what mod_caucho.so is for? |
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| 12:24.15 | Zugschlus | antgel: -v |
| 12:24.16 | michal_ | Xvnc sucks :/ seems to crash a couple of times a month |
| 12:24.39 | antgel | Zugschlus: are you asking me to be verbose? |
| 12:25.12 | Zugschlus | antgel: jes |
| 12:25.13 | Zugschlus | yes |
| 12:25.51 | Zugschlus | which part of exim config do you consider broken |
| 12:25.59 | Zugschlus | err, as "needs fixing" |
| 12:26.06 | antgel | Zugschlus: as in, remove the exim4-config package and make the many layers of meta-ness go away. of course, i'm sure that there's a reason things are as they are etc. |
| 12:26.06 | tarzeau | does someone make game graphics 2d side/jumpnrun view? |
| 12:26.25 | Zugschlus | antgel: no, that's not going to be fixed |
| 12:26.31 | antgel | tarzeau: supertux |
| 12:26.31 | Zugschlus | it's a feature. |
| 12:26.48 | tarzeau | antgel: no i mean someone that draws graphics for a gameengine that i have |
| 12:26.54 | Zugschlus | antgel: and the reason is called "Debian Policy" |
| 12:26.56 | stdoubt | tarzeau: happypenguin.org :) |
| 12:27.09 | tarzeau | antgel: preferably amiga people, not linux or freesoftware people |
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| 12:27.12 | tarzeau | stdoubt: yuck |
| 12:27.17 | stdoubt | ? |
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| 12:27.31 | tarzeau | antgel: if freesoftware or linux people make graphics, it ends up in ugly crap , look at all the ugly bomberman clones |
| 12:27.47 | tarzeau | all the good games (good graphics) are ported , and not created on linux |
| 12:28.11 | tarzeau | no wonder, there's no nice pixel painting program for linux (like there existed dp on amiga) |
| 12:28.18 | antgel | Zugschlus: as i suspected. in my world conf.d would disappear, exim4-config would disappear, the file that it *used* would be in /etc, yadda. i'm not moaning, you understand :) |
| 12:28.37 | petemc | hmm |
| 12:28.52 | antgel | tarzeau: i don't know, i have nowhere near as much time as you to play games :) |
| 12:29.03 | petemc | antgel: you do know if you put a exim4.conf in /etc/exim4/ , it will use that |
| 12:29.06 | tarzeau | antgel: irc is the same waste of time |
| 12:29.24 | Zugschlus | and, if somebody _really_ dislikes our work, he could package his own exim4-config-foo and have it interface with our daemons. |
| 12:29.38 | antgel | Zugschlus: i know, i know :D |
| 12:29.48 | Zugschlus | antgel: why are you still bitching? |
| 12:29.56 | Zugschlus | what you want to do is possible. |
| 12:30.09 | antgel | tarzeau: naw, on irc, we get to help fellow users |
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| 12:31.27 | mekk | ola |
| 12:31.49 | marcosbrazil | bom dia |
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| 12:32.42 | ma3x | ieee1394: sbp2: aborting sbp2 command |
| 12:32.42 | ma3x | Read (10) 28 00 06 78 c1 5f 00 00 10 00 |
| 12:32.43 | antgel | Zugschlus: please don't interpret my comments as bitching. i'm used to it now. just reconfigured a box and reminded me to investigate |
| 12:32.50 | ma3x | why the hell I receive a lot of errors like that? |
| 12:32.54 | ma3x | my HDD is healthy |
| 12:33.00 | ma3x | it works under windows |
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| 12:33.32 | antgel | Zugschlus: i didn't think that people would go to all that work for no reason |
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| 12:33.47 | Zugschlus | antgel: if you have an idea to package an MTA fully policy compliant without the levels of indirection, please say so. |
| 12:33.48 | fireba11 | ma3x: just that you can run an OS from it doesn't mean it's fine |
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| 12:34.22 | Zugschlus | but the way you're currently condemning months of work that have gone into the package ("will they finally fix"), I feel deeply offended. |
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| 12:34.59 | fireba11 | antgel: about what are you complaining exactly ? |
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| 12:35.53 | antgel | Zugschlus: sincere apologies. i think i have inadvertently touched a nerve. no offence was meant. please regard my initial question as more like "why is exim4 configuration so complex under the bonnet?" |
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| 12:36.25 | ma3x | fireba11, so whats the problem? |
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| 12:36.42 | Zugschlus | antgel: well, it is so complex to be user friendly, update friendly and policy compliant. |
| 12:36.49 | Zugschlus | We didn't come up with any easier way |
| 12:36.49 | fireba11 | ma3x: could be a couple dead clusters for example .. did you run your HD verndors test-tool ? |
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| 12:36.59 | Zugschlus | and, frankly, nobody else has. |
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| 12:37.18 | ma3x | fireball: what if I find dead clusters? are they repearable? |
| 12:37.18 | ma3x | *repairable |
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| 12:37.40 | antgel | Zugschlus: and now i understand |
| 12:37.41 | stdoubt | ma3x - is that a portable firewire hdd? |
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| 12:38.06 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: true it's a bit complex .. but it's hard to find an easy way to configure a program with complex options :-) |
| 12:38.09 | ma3x | fireba11, ieee1394: unsolicited response packet received - no tlabel match |
| 12:38.09 | ma3x | stdoubt, yes |
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| 12:38.59 | fireba11 | ma3x: hm ... fi it got dead clusters they can be marked as dead ... but usualyl ore clusters die soon .. but look s more like a firewire problem to me now .. |
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| 12:39.23 | stdoubt | ma3x, read the manpage for fsck e2fsck or so -there are options to repair badblocks if that's the problem |
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| 12:39.40 | ma3x | stdoubt, I think I will first check them with badblocks? |
| 12:40.01 | stdoubt | ma3x -could do, but it does look like a firewire issue |
| 12:40.44 | stdoubt | ma3x - you running the default kernel in Sarge? |
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| 12:43.18 | antgel | Zugschlus: perhaps you can help me. i'm trying to find out what dc_mailname_in_oh does. grepping for mailname_in_oh gives no results |
| 12:44.03 | Zugschlus | hm. that's indeed uncocumented. Let me see |
| 12:44.41 | Zugschlus | seems it's an unused option |
| 12:45.18 | Zugschlus | hold on |
| 12:45.44 | Knight_Lord | I'm trying to install a kernel on my dual core 8 way machine but i keep hitting this bug http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/bugme-janitors/2005-November/000229.html. Can anyone recomend a kernel that works? |
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| 12:46.55 | Zugschlus | antgel: it's an internal option that serves as a flag that the contents of /etc/mailname has already added to the other_hostnames list. |
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| 12:47.24 | Zugschlus | antgel: I'll file a bug to have that documented in the update-exim4.conf man page |
| 12:47.48 | liran | when im apt-getting some software, apt-get is trying to stick in some extra packages, can i somehow exclude them? |
| 12:47.54 | liran | or include ONLY the packages i tell it? |
| 12:48.05 | antgel | liran: you're not using debian, are you? |
| 12:48.19 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: that's an ugly one .. |
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| 12:48.20 | liran | i am |
| 12:48.31 | tijn | ghe |
| 12:48.31 | liran | im using apt-get though in another dist, so im wondering |
| 12:48.41 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 it makes the machine useless for scientific computation, which was what we bought it for |
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| 12:49.06 | antgel | liran: you need to ask that distro for support. it's not a debian question really as it's repository-related |
| 12:49.15 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 i've tried 2.4.14.2 2.4.14.3 2.4.12.2 2.4.12.6 |
| 12:49.17 | Knight_Lord | all buggy |
| 12:49.32 | Knight_Lord | i mean 2.6 |
| 12:49.41 | liran | yeah thing is that they dont have a mysql extension so im stuck |
| 12:49.43 | Knight_Lord | different bugs between 2.6.12 and 2.6.14 though |
| 12:49.50 | antgel | Knight_Lord: perhaps you should search lkml for a workaround or try an older kernel e.g. 2.6.8 |
| 12:49.56 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: hm .. you tried some older 2.4 kernel ? |
| 12:49.58 | liran | well i guess i could compile from source, but i've gotten all spoiled up thanks to debian's apt-get :) |
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| 12:50.14 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 2.4 doesn't have NUMA stuff |
| 12:50.28 | antgel | liran: apt-get - a powerful tool, liable to be misused in the wrong hands :) |
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| 12:50.33 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: true .. then maybe older 2.6 as liran suggested |
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| 12:50.51 | antgel | hey, do i look like liran? |
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| 12:50.56 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 that's what i was trying with the 2.6.12 because i seemed to recall someone saying it worked |
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| 12:51.01 | liran | heh |
| 12:51.06 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: or you try to get hold of some kernel guru and hit him with a cluebeat untill he comes up with a fix :-) |
| 12:51.13 | Knight_Lord | lol |
| 12:51.24 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 strange thing is that it only seems to happen on 8 way dual cores |
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| 12:52.13 | [Bartje] | dd |
| 12:52.18 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: well .. probably some rather stupid bug .. 8way-dual cores aren't exactly common so maybe you're the first to encouter that problem |
| 12:53.52 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 it's documented in http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/bugme-janitors/2005-November/000229.html |
| 12:55.03 | antgel | Zugschlus: eek. let me put this to you. need to redirect root mail to an internet email address via /etc/aliases. the domain is assumed to be myung.wayforth.local. this doesn't resolve in public dns, so it fails on dnslookup reouter despite root being in aliases. how can i fix this without breaking something else? |
| 12:55.20 | antgel | s/domain/mailname |
| 12:55.37 | antgel | well, it's both i suppose |
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| 12:55.53 | fireba11 | antgel: what are you doing today ? you seem to run in rather rare problems a lot :-) |
| 12:55.54 | Zugschlus | how does your exim learn where to deliver the message? |
| 12:56.17 | antgel | fireba11: it must be the lack of sleep :) |
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| 12:56.35 | antgel | Zugschlus: with the router list |
| 12:57.01 | Zugschlus | antgel: what router list |
| 12:57.44 | _lisa | kika |
| 12:58.04 | antgel | Zugschlus: goes through each router in turn. however, i think if i set mailname to myung rather than myung.wayforth.local, there won't be a match on local_domains and it might work |
| 12:58.47 | Zugschlus | how about using the hubbed_hosts router which is explicitly there for the reason of being able to domains that do not resolve in DNS? |
| 12:59.24 | antgel | Zugschlus: i did think about hubbed_hosts. i've used it before for other reasons. i didn't know if that was the correct way to do it. |
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| 12:59.50 | Zugschlus | well, if it works, it is the correct way ;) |
| 12:59.58 | Zugschlus | there is more than one way to do it |
| 13:00.43 | Knight_Lord | Apparently the problem has to do with hypertransport |
| 13:00.49 | antgel | Zugschlus: here's the difference between a box that works and this new box |
| 13:00.58 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: O.o that doesn't sound too good :-/ |
| 13:01.19 | antgel | working: wakeman in "! +local_domains"? no (matched "! +local_domains" - cached) |
| 13:01.20 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 a guy from #kernel said that he spent 3 evenings debugging it with no results |
| 13:01.35 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: so .. hardware issue ?? |
| 13:01.47 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 no, just a difficult bug |
| 13:01.52 | antgel | broken: myung.wayforth.local in "! +local_domains"? yes (end of list) |
| 13:02.02 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 i'm just gonna try all kernels i can find |
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| 13:02.22 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: looks like your only option untill someone finds that bug |
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| 13:03.09 | Zugschlus | antgel: that's the complete output of exim -bt? |
| 13:03.29 | Zugschlus | antgel: paste a complete output of exim -d -bt local@domain to paste.debian.netplease |
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| 13:06.58 | jharrisonwk | top of the morning |
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| 13:07.28 | antgel | Zugschlus: http://paste.debian.net/3097 |
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| 13:08.51 | Zugschlus | antgel: you don't have the domain in /etc/exim4/hubbed_hosts |
| 13:09.27 | Zugschlus | it doesn't resolve in DNS and it is not local => your exim doesn't know how to handle the domain |
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| 13:10.03 | antgel | Zugschlus: not as yet. i'm just trying it with our internal mail server as smarthost. should work, as it does on other boxes. difference is, this is a laptop and it would be nice for mail to root to work whilst the box is offsite |
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| 13:10.40 | Zugschlus | antgel: use hubbed_hosts |
| 13:10.43 | antgel | Zugschlus: gotcha |
| 13:11.05 | _-elektron_libre | hello everyone |
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| 13:11.08 | Zugschlus | that way, exim knows how to route the message, but cannot reach the target, and will thus queue the message |
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| 13:11.35 | antgel | Zugschlus: okay, will do. i've used hubbed_hosts before for a scanning multi-domain gateway. great job by the exim4 team to configure it so i just had to create the file and it worked :) |
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| 13:12.24 | Zugschlus | antgel: thanks |
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| 13:12.37 | Flamethrower | If I have the source for it, how do I make a module for snd-ca0106? |
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| 13:14.21 | Garp | Question: are there unprivilegiated users tools to browse a file containing a filesystem? I likely cant perform a "mount", but some tool like the one that allow browsing is a tar archive. Is there any I could use? Thanks. |
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| 13:14.44 | antgel | Zugschlus: thanks for the help |
| 13:15.08 | antgel | Garp: what sort of file is it? |
| 13:15.32 | Garp | antgel: it's the result of a dd on a floppy disk (FS unknown, but very likely dos) |
| 13:15.53 | jm_ | Garp: what kind of fs? |
| 13:16.14 | Garp | jm_: As I said, unknown, but likely dos. |
| 13:16.23 | Garp | (that would be the first I would try) |
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| 13:16.46 | jm_ | Garp: ahh floppy, I wrote a tool to extract floppy images to disk |
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| 13:16.56 | threat | Thunderbird has crap all LDAP addressbook support, Is there any plugins for thunderbird to give it better LDAP support/ |
| 13:17.01 | Garp | jm_: hooo :-) Here i'm interssted. |
| 13:17.14 | Garp | jm_: Is that public? |
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| 13:17.20 | jm_ | Garp: it's written for DOS (DJGPP to be exact) |
| 13:17.36 | Garp | jm_ : humm, I'm on linux. |
| 13:17.50 | Flamethrower | Damnit |
| 13:17.56 | Flamethrower | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/source SUBDIRS=/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.10rc3 O=/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/build modules |
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| 13:18.15 | Flamethrower | Apparently when making snd-ca0106, something wants my kernel source... |
| 13:18.17 | antgel | threat: no. this annoys me as well as it's a killer feature. assume it's been requested in bugzilla and is being worked on |
| 13:18.17 | Zugschlus | antgel: you're welcome |
| 13:18.20 | jm_ | Garp: I figured, but why don't you simply loop mount it? or are you doing this on some other system? |
| 13:18.22 | Flamethrower | modules source, something. |
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| 13:19.11 | Garp | jm_ : well, because I didnbt wanted to have to modify any configutration as root. I believe I cant loopback mouint as simple user until I hacked in /etc/fstab, right ? |
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| 13:19.25 | jm_ | Garp: correct |
| 13:19.52 | stdoubt | Anyone correct me please if i'm wrong on this but Flamethrower, I think modules have to be built against the full source tree of the kernel you want to use with them |
| 13:20.00 | Garp | jm_ : I half expected konqueror to open my image transparently as it does for tar.gz, but well, no :-( |
| 13:20.14 | Flamethrower | stdoubt, compatability is compiled in... I'm gonna try with a kernel I just finished, brb |
| 13:20.22 | lodder | can anybody help me with my eth0 problem. the problem is the server is running but after a while eth0 stops for som reason i think it stops but the problem is can't ping intern the only thing that does work ik is dhcp server all the rest is falling for some reason and i think that eth0 doesn't clean up it's connection if someone could help me out |
| 13:20.23 | jm_ | Garp: there is a tool for ISO9660, but don't see anything for vfat |
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| 13:20.29 | positron | stdoubt: cant they be just configured and the make modules & make modules_install? |
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| 13:20.44 | Garp | jm_ : OK, I'll vi /etc/fstab, then... |
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| 13:21.20 | Garp | jm_ : I wonder... woulent it be possible to just have some userspace wrapper around the kernel FS sources ? |
| 13:21.22 | stdoubt | positron, afaik not if they are source modules but i could easily be wrong |
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| 13:21.55 | tuyan | hi all, what is the way to use blowfish enc. in /etc/shadow file ? |
| 13:21.59 | Garp | jm_ : in that case a single tool cvould support every supported FS as no cose.. |
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| 13:22.04 | Garp | no cost |
| 13:22.19 | positron | stdoubt: i dont have any idea |
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| 13:22.32 | Garp | Of course, it couldnt be "mounted" in the unix way, but browser by user. |
| 13:22.41 | positron | stdoubt: except what i said. but im not sure |
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| 13:22.47 | jm_ | Garp: yeah that would work I think |
| 13:22.56 | Garp | but if not existant, i'm not going to write it :-( |
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| 13:23.19 | EmleyMoor | Has something gone wrong to stop make-jpkg working with Sun jre-1.5.0 update 6? |
| 13:23.35 | EmleyMoor | I get checksum errors when I try it |
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| 13:24.25 | Garp | jm_ : Too bad nobody ever found this useful ;-) |
| 13:24.41 | Garp | jm_ : I'm not skilled enough to write that now :-( |
| 13:24.48 | Garp | jm_: Thanks for the answer anyway. |
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| 13:25.02 | skruw | anyone who ingoing knows much about GPL?, i was wondering about gpl licensed Content Management System (CMS), am i allowed to change all the graphics of a website i have created through it, and change all the text, even the copyright text at the bottom and exchange it to just GPL read gpl.txt or what ever ? |
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| 13:26.38 | doubleukay | has anyone had their / fs on an LVM? |
| 13:26.44 | antgel | EmleyMoor: the docs specify known working versions |
| 13:26.53 | antgel | doubleukay: lots of people, probably |
| 13:27.10 | doubleukay | i'm having trouble makign the initrd |
| 13:27.21 | jharrisonwk | skruw: the software of the CMS or your website created with the CMS? |
| 13:27.36 | skruw | ? |
| 13:27.37 | stdoubt | skruw, whatever you create with GPL'd tools is yours to do with as you will -if your product contains any code from GPL'd tools, you need to provide the source code of your product to the end users. |
| 13:27.37 | skruw | what? |
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| 13:27.54 | skruw | it is a gpl licenced CMS |
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| 13:27.57 | electr0n | hello |
| 13:28.00 | jharrisonwk | skruw: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html |
| 13:28.02 | skruw | so i downloaded it and edited it like i wanted to |
| 13:28.17 | electr0n | How can I make coloured text in my shell like Gentoo, how the username is green ect |
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| 13:28.30 | skruw | now my question is am i allowed to change the gpl register text at the bottom to something else or even nothing at all? |
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| 13:28.47 | skruw | cos the licences and rverthing are still on the webserver |
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| 13:28.54 | doubleukay | electr0n, edit your sh PS1 variable |
| 13:29.09 | stdoubt | electron: you using an xshell or a tty? |
| 13:29.16 | Garp | skruw: The problem, I believe is not with code but with the intellectual property associated with the grapic arts provided with the tools. GPL is fine and clear for code, but for graphic art, it's not so clear, I dont know how to answer. |
| 13:29.30 | Garp | (I have to go -> meeting) bebye |
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| 13:29.37 | skruw | but all i am doing is changing the graphics |
| 13:29.48 | skruw | replacing them to my own, not all but a lot of it |
| 13:29.50 | EmleyMoor | antgel: So why will it not work with the latest release of 1.5 Standard Edition? |
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| 13:30.39 | electr0n | xshell |
| 13:30.40 | jharrisonwk | electr0n: you might also what to uncomment the colorized configuration in ~/.bashrc |
| 13:30.44 | electr0n | aterm |
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| 13:31.08 | electr0n | colour=auto |
| 13:31.10 | electr0n | is that right? |
| 13:31.14 | electr0n | do I need to reboot? |
| 13:31.19 | blondie | color not colour |
| 13:31.27 | electr0n | sorry |
| 13:31.54 | jharrisonwk | electr0n: it really should be colour but in the computing world they spell colour wrong |
| 13:32.37 | GregM | its a pain in html too |
| 13:32.58 | tarzeau | electr0n: man console_codes |
| 13:33.00 | blondie | nah, color is better |
| 13:33.02 | tarzeau | electr0n: also check tetradraw |
| 13:33.24 | timopr | help!:) I seem to totally crash whenever I insert a CD into my laptop running debian, I tried to look into /var/log for clues, but nothing! |
| 13:33.24 | jharrisonwk | blondie: yankie |
| 13:33.25 | tarzeau | blondie: colour is perfectly fine as well |
| 13:33.31 | blondie | no, i'm not american |
| 13:33.35 | squall_dear | hello |
| 13:33.39 | blondie | the u is not pronounced |
| 13:34.02 | jharrisonwk | oh |
| 13:34.02 | kukAW | http://picasa.hu/1133875016-1133820621761.jpg happy santaclaus ;-) :) |
| 13:34.08 | squall_dear | can i'm want to join you |
| 13:34.10 | tarzeau | blondie: but it can be written |
| 13:34.13 | jharrisonwk | I have been saying col-our all my life? |
| 13:34.22 | timopr | damn am i on the right channel.. |
| 13:34.24 | blondie | tarzeau: it's pointless :P |
| 13:34.27 | squall_dear | hey listen to me |
| 13:34.38 | blondie | squall_dear: silence |
| 13:34.39 | jharrisonwk | some people just dont get it |
| 13:34.39 | tarzeau | !confuse squall_dear |
| 13:34.40 | dpkg | Yes, them are their badger today, squall_dear? trousers of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 13:34.52 | grumpydog | heh |
| 13:34.55 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 13:35.26 | jharrisonwk | just like tire is wrong and should be tyre |
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| 13:35.49 | blondie | yes it should be, but I prefer color to colour |
| 13:35.53 | GregM | centre v center |
| 13:36.10 | blondie | and as I need to write color for somethings, may as well use it all the time |
| 13:36.17 | grumpydog | jharrisonwk, because tired means tired http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/errors.html#errors |
| 13:36.22 | jharrisonwk | GregM: yes as in I work in a data centre not data center |
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| 13:37.04 | lodder | can anybody help me with my eth0 problem. the problem is the server is running but after a while eth0 stops for som reason i think it stops but the problem is can't ping intern the only thing that does work ik is dhcp server all the rest is falling for some reason and i think that eth0 doesn't clean up it's connection if someone could help me out |
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| 13:37.34 | jharrisonwk | grumpydog: dont get it |
| 13:37.43 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hey whats up? |
| 13:38.07 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'm playing sid tunes in opencubicplayer and making screenshots. LOL |
| 13:38.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: got a whole page of your favorite stuff |
| 13:38.21 | michigan | lodder, if loopback fails, it's likely you have a bad ethernet adapter. Do you have any others you can test with? |
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| 13:38.32 | goron | Is there a list with standard security settings for /usr etc? After installation, /usr was created on my root file system, instead of the LVM, and because of that I lost the permissions. |
| 13:38.33 | grahamoz | w00t |
| 13:38.37 | grahamoz | is debian worth it ? |
| 13:38.45 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i pray someone fixes libdiscover for gnu/kfreebsd until merry christmas 2005, or happy new year 2005/06 at least |
| 13:38.56 | jharrisonwk | michigan: what? |
| 13:39.03 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 13:39.04 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 13:39.06 | lodder | michigan: no i don't have any other i can test but it look like it's a lock up or it yust freezes |
| 13:39.12 | grahamoz | what the hell |
| 13:39.32 | jharrisonwk | grahamoz: just answering your question |
| 13:39.33 | lodder | michigan: i can't seem to find anything in the log files |
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| 13:40.12 | jharrisonwk | michigan: so what do you have to say about not having any ethernet device and being able to ping loopback anyways? |
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| 13:40.32 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: are you an irssi man? |
| 13:40.45 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: also TalkSoup.app and IRC.app |
| 13:41.07 | skruw | anyone who can help me with this GPL question? |
| 13:41.16 | tarzeau | skruw: #gnu |
| 13:41.20 | skruw | ah thanx |
| 13:41.23 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: when will you maintain a few packages? |
| 13:41.39 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: well funny you should ask |
| 13:41.43 | lodder | michigan: but after reboot eth0 works again |
| 13:41.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have been packaging a little bit |
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| 13:42.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: and I might be more ready for it now |
| 13:42.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: can i test? what is it? |
| 13:42.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://linuxbs.org/pub/debian/binary/ |
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| 13:42.33 | hfx | hmmm...my server performance is lousy since exporting some paths via nfs. "top" shows no big performance eaters even if one remote console hangs (on a "ls" for example). any idea what that could be? |
| 13:42.48 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: those are a little old but there are newer ones in sid now |
| 13:42.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I made those packages because I wanted newer versions at the time |
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| 13:43.18 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: however gitweb is still old in sid and I have a new one and I even think I fixed a small bug in it |
| 13:43.22 | jm_ | you added NFS export to PATH? it's natural things will be slow if NFS server is not repsonding and you execute stuff |
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| 13:43.34 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have to put it up on the repo though and regenerate the Packages.gz |
| 13:43.39 | hfx | i'm also exporting them via samba. might that be the catch? ^^ |
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| 13:43.46 | klap | hi, is it possible to install sarge using the etch installer (netboot) ? |
| 13:44.01 | klap | (i need the etch one for hardware support ...) |
| 13:44.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: also I have been coding more recently |
| 13:44.08 | hfx | jm_, ya jokin, right? |
| 13:44.21 | jm_ | hfx: what? |
| 13:44.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but I have yet to package my stuff as they are just mostly scripts that I find useful and I doubt anyone else would care much about them |
| 13:44.40 | hfx | you added NFS export to PATH? <-- what kinda dork would do that? *g* |
| 13:44.48 | alex__ | Hi, I'm having some trouble with my Brother MFC420CN. I was printing a page I scanned and it ended up being way too large, so I hit stop and removed the half-finished paper as if it were jammed. I tried to continue printing and it wouldn't work, so I stopped cupsys and unplugged/plugged in the printer, now cups tells me "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" |
| 13:44.54 | jm_ | we do it all the time at work ... |
| 13:45.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: better to package other peoples stuff :) |
| 13:45.18 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: :) yes |
| 13:45.22 | hfx | oy |
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| 13:45.35 | alex__ | I was watching the console output and it showed the printer being unplugged then plugged back in, and lsof doesn't show anything else accessing it (would that even be a problem?) |
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| 13:45.45 | hfx | well, the performance even hangs if i execute stuff on the server itself |
| 13:45.47 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: well most of my stuff is python code anyways and I dont know how to package python coded programs |
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| 13:46.13 | hfx | and well, "top" shows nothing special, with top mostly being the most time consuming process o.O |
| 13:46.14 | jm_ | then you're dealing with some other issues, does it help if you stop NFS server? |
| 13:46.37 | hfx | hmmm...lemme check |
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| 13:47.22 | grumpydog | jm_ I have found it helps...not just on debain but other distro's |
| 13:47.50 | grumpydog | *debian |
| 13:47.58 | jm_ | grumpydog: stopping NFS server you mean? |
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| 13:48.06 | grumpydog | jm_, yes |
| 13:48.22 | jm_ | grumpydog: well there is some logic in it, depending on what clients are doing etc. |
| 13:48.25 | hfx | jm_, now it's quite quick. should i take the userspace nfs server instead maybe? |
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| 13:48.52 | jharrisonwk | you should always shut down services you are not using |
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| 13:49.01 | hfx | lol |
| 13:49.03 | jm_ | hfx: it's worth trying I guess |
| 13:49.13 | hfx | hmmm or should i better use samba instead? |
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| 13:50.02 | hfx | it quite feeled like nfs was putting a lock on files or directories opened via nfs |
| 13:50.10 | hfx | but that might be a misperception |
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| 13:52.45 | ob1kenewb | hi, what's the best USB 2.0 supported webcam under linux ? |
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| 13:53.09 | hfx | wah |
| 13:53.18 | Nomad | anyone running "kopete" ? |
| 13:53.22 | hfx | userspace daemon gives me "[4393829.276000] RPC: call_verify: program 100003, version 3 unsupported by server server" in dmesg |
| 13:53.24 | boycer | !tell ob1kenewb about best |
| 13:53.29 | hfx | o.O |
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| 13:54.24 | SlayerXP | ob1kenewb: the best one is the one that suits your needs best |
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| 13:55.08 | ob1kenewb | well, let say 25 frame/s, no hardware compression, crisp image and color, for about 150 euro |
| 13:55.18 | ob1kenewb | and resolution 640x480 |
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| 13:55.32 | ob1kenewb | GPL drivers |
| 13:55.45 | boycer | ob1kenewb: tried amazon.*? find one, check it's supported, buy it. |
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| 13:56.01 | boycer | ob1kenewb: they're all the same anyhow! :) |
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| 13:56.30 | boycer | ob1kenewb: look at http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/devices.shtml for supported chipsets |
| 13:56.40 | ob1kenewb | wondering if the pwcx driver is still closed source or not ? |
| 13:56.59 | ob1kenewb | i like the logitech quick cam pro 4000 |
| 13:57.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: |
| 13:57.28 | FrdFlint | i am using debian stable ,i have a microscrapft usb joystick.the joystick will show up as dev/input /js0 if i unplug the connector and replug it.how can i make it be picked up at boot up? |
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| 13:58.04 | boycer | ob1kenewb: that webcam's mentioned on the URL I gave you... |
| 13:58.16 | grahamoz | is there like a newer site |
| 13:58.20 | grahamoz | for why debian |
| 13:58.26 | grahamoz | like vs current distros |
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| 13:58.59 | antgel | grahamoz: what? |
| 13:59.01 | stdoubt | FrdFlint: while it's working, check lsmod for which module it uses then add the name of the module to /etc/modules (just might work;) |
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| 13:59.14 | FrdFlint | ok thanks |
| 13:59.16 | grahamoz | like is there a site |
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| 13:59.21 | grahamoz | that says which distro is best |
| 13:59.39 | Ronin | grahamoz: the one you like/use/configure properly is best |
| 13:59.39 | boycer | grahamoz: like? no. exactly? maybe. |
| 13:59.43 | antgel | !tell grahamoz about enter |
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| 13:59.57 | Ronin | personally as you might guess we think debian fits that bill |
| 13:59.58 | antgel | !tell grahamoz about best |
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| 14:00.48 | grahamoz | hmm |
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| 14:01.12 | stdoubt | best is s0 subjective |
| 14:01.25 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: ? |
| 14:01.38 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we were talking about packages |
| 14:01.40 | rss | can I restrict the printer to be able to be printed by only a application? |
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| 14:02.16 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i have no idea about python really |
| 14:02.28 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'd look at other python packages? |
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| 14:02.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but you were saying I should package other peoples stuff |
| 14:02.56 | rss | Because there is a POS and I want only that application have the ability to print though the user may browse and do different things |
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| 14:03.13 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yeah, got anything that's not yet packaged? |
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| 14:03.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: do you realize how difficult it is to find software that has not been packaged yet or is not planned to be packaged? |
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| 14:05.03 | ob1kenewb | well, i'll ask my question differently : what is the most well written webcam driver in the linux kernel ? |
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| 14:05.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: there's always an undiscovered a gem or another |
| 14:05.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: :-P |
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| 14:07.33 | stdoubt | Q: i haven't had apt-listbugs installed before (new to Sarge) I get bug warnings when upgrading/installing packages. Some are grave some are critical. Was this always the case and I just didn't see it because i had no apt-listbugs running previously? |
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| 14:08.59 | stdoubt | for example i'm upgrading xbase-clients now and 2 grave bugs -one says it's uninstallable, one says 'doesn't install' I still have the option to continue...is that a bug in itself? |
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| 14:10.22 | stdoubt | i didn't expect grave bugs to come with packages out of stable -let alone from the security pool |
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| 14:10.35 | resiak | stdoubt: No ... they probably apply to other archs. You can view the details of each bug before saying "yes". |
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| 14:11.34 | stdoubt | resiak, is there a way to view locally or do i open a browser and search the bug #? |
| 14:11.46 | resiak | stdoubt: I can't remember? |
| 14:11.50 | stdoubt | k |
| 14:12.15 | eheil | Their is always reportbug which will allow you to view bugs. Its usually for submitting bugs, but you can also review them too. |
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| 14:13.57 | resiak | eheil: "there" |
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| 14:14.28 | greap | anyone know how to extract the contents of a mac 'dmg' file? |
| 14:14.47 | antgel | greap: with macos x |
| 14:15.00 | greap | bah, I knew someone would say that |
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| 14:16.28 | sdakota | heya :) |
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| 14:17.41 | nix | !moo |
| 14:17.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:18.31 | resiak | What's the recommended course of action for someone who's +q here? Speak to the op who +q'd them? |
| 14:18.36 | bizkit | i use find /path/ -name '*.sfv' to find all .sfv files, this gives me each file with the complete path. now i need a way to remove the trailing filename on the path, so i get the location of each found only. basename gives me only the filename itself, wheres i just want to remove the filename |
| 14:18.48 | sdakota | dpkg, is apt-get moo safe? |
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| 14:18.55 | sdakota | nix, is apt-get moo safe? ;) |
| 14:19.04 | jm_ | bizkit: dirname |
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| 14:19.09 | resiak | sdakota: Yes |
| 14:19.13 | stdoubt | antgel, or any Op, user [GABRI] can't type on the channel -any idea or anythimg? |
| 14:19.16 | bizkit | jm_: this sounds good, thanks :) |
| 14:19.18 | sdakota | resiak: ok |
| 14:19.25 | torc | will new sarge maintenance releases ever switch to another libc? or its 1 libc for 1 release rule? |
| 14:19.50 | sdakota | stdoubt: he's probably silenced |
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| 14:20.06 | sdakota | stdoubt, he probably did something the ops didnt like |
| 14:20.14 | stdoubt | hmm |
| 14:20.28 | sdakota | LOL |
| 14:20.31 | sdakota | apt-get moo ;-D |
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| 14:21.01 | caphuso | what's the problem? |
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| 14:21.59 | resiak | caphuso: [GABRI] is +q. I don't know why, but (s)he was /msging me to ask why (s)he couldn't talk. hostname looks dynamic --- possible it wasn't [GABRI] who got +q'd. |
| 14:22.11 | stdoubt | user [GABRI] said he's only been here 5minutes -1st time |
| 14:22.19 | caphuso | resiak: yeah, good chances that he's been caught by friendly fire |
| 14:22.23 | *** mode/#Debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 14:22.25 | resiak | caphuso: The ban is _old_ too |
| 14:22.26 | *** mode/#Debian [-b %*!*@120.Red-80-32-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by caphuso |
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| 14:22.52 | resiak | Hmm, actually, the word "static" should have leapt out at me, but ... the ban was _old_. |
| 14:22.59 | caphuso | resiak: one month |
| 14:23.02 | sdakota | anyone here has some Postfix installation guide with SHH? |
| 14:23.03 | caphuso | that's not old :) |
| 14:23.06 | Zvpun | what is the meaning of: Dec 5 13:28:43 moctezuma pumpd[3643]: reject: xid: 0x1260998a <--> 0x5a2f0000 |
| 14:23.08 | resiak | caphuso: Feh, old enough. |
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| 14:23.13 | [GABRI] | hi? |
| 14:23.17 | stdoubt | heyhey |
| 14:23.23 | [GABRI] | OHHHHHHH |
| 14:23.25 | stdoubt | yay for the ops! |
| 14:23.26 | sdakota | Hi, [GABRI] =) |
| 14:23.28 | [GABRI] | i can talk here |
| 14:23.32 | [GABRI] | thanks thanks thanks thankssssss |
| 14:23.56 | stdoubt | now make sure and behave yourself ;] |
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| 14:24.27 | sdakota | stdoubt, you said it was first time - (s)he didn't behave before? :/ |
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| 14:24.38 | nostur | hi all |
| 14:24.40 | [GABRI] | it my first time here |
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| 14:24.46 | sdakota | this story smells a bit - "hostname looks dynamic" and "behave yourself".. |
| 14:24.52 | stdoubt | s/he said it's his 1st time here |
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| 14:24.58 | [GABRI] | yes stdoubt |
| 14:25.00 | caphuso | we get quite a few morons using rima-tde.net |
| 14:25.14 | [GABRI] | i am spanish |
| 14:25.15 | stdoubt | <---innocent bystander I promise jeeze |
| 14:25.23 | resiak | Wait ... [GABRI] _has_ been here before. |
| 14:25.30 | caphuso | eventually one of that bans is going to hurt a non- or less moronic user |
| 14:25.30 | sdakota | caphuso, what's rima-tde.net ? |
| 14:25.30 | nostur | lofl |
| 14:25.35 | caphuso | sdakota: spanish ISP |
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| 14:25.41 | resiak | "dondelelcaro : [GABRI]: stop repeating; if someone had it, they would have responded already." |
| 14:25.55 | resiak | I guess that's why the +q happened, because [GABRI] _didn't_ stop repeating. |
| 14:25.57 | [GABRI] | rima-tde.net is telefonica.s.a |
| 14:26.10 | stew_ | !es |
| 14:26.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:26.16 | nostur | what is the mode +q its like muted? |
| 14:26.21 | caphuso | nostur: yeah |
| 14:26.26 | sdakota | stew_ (s)he is talking english, no need to say that. |
| 14:26.27 | nostur | hehe nice |
| 14:26.29 | stdoubt | <-- just tryin' to help (gulp) |
| 14:26.38 | sdakota | stdoubt, that's okay |
| 14:26.53 | sdakota | [GABRI], have you been here before, or are you on a computer that someone else could have been using? |
| 14:27.01 | sdakota | [GABRI], with the same username ? |
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| 14:27.11 | [GABRI] | yes |
| 14:27.20 | [GABRI] | my computer is in the big office |
| 14:27.34 | nostur | lofl, 20$ that he's lying |
| 14:27.38 | [GABRI] | in the same pc work two person |
| 14:27.43 | sdakota | [GABRI], type /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 14:28.10 | nostur | geez, iam moron, i forget what to use with touchpad, /dev/psaux ? |
| 14:28.21 | Zvpun | if /etc/network/interfaces has dhcp in it what client is used to get the address? |
| 14:28.37 | jm_ | Zvpun: man page lists the order of preference |
| 14:28.45 | stew | Zvpun: dhclient is the default |
| 14:28.57 | torc | pump is like a minimal dhcp client? |
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| 14:29.36 | deadcat | my samsung ml2010 laser printer is here. i dont know what to put for model/driver in cups. i have raw, dymo, epson, hp, okidata, zebra. |
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| 14:29.46 | stew | nostur: yes, but if you are on a 2.6 kernel you can just load mousedev and psmouse modules and use /dev/input/mice. and "/msg dpkg synatptics" for a x driver for the touchpad |
| 14:29.47 | jm_ | deadcat: Samsung obviously |
| 14:29.57 | sdakota | anyone here has a Postifx for Debian manual (including TLS)? |
| 14:30.16 | deadcat | i just got home. 6am. couldnt fix my friend's pacbell static ip and dns + squirrelmail problem )= |
| 14:30.23 | deadcat | jm_: not listed |
| 14:30.51 | jm_ | deadcat: ehh? install some recommended packages |
| 14:31.21 | deadcat | jm_: dont know which one |
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| 14:31.41 | deadcat | jm_: foomatic-db? |
| 14:31.59 | sdakota | deadcat, Google for "samsung linux drivers" or aptitude search samsung |
| 14:32.07 | deadcat | i suck at fixing corperate computers )= |
| 14:32.10 | jm_ | deadcat: yeah, as in those suggested by cupsys package |
| 14:32.12 | deadcat | k |
| 14:32.23 | jm_ | deadcat: foomatic-filters-ppds |
| 14:32.31 | nvz | I gotta stop drinking gatorade.. that crap turns me red inside and out.. makes me think I am bleeding internally every time I go to the bathroom |
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| 14:32.44 | jm_ | although I don't see 2010 in Sarge, but that's not a big problem because you can steal it from their Windows driver |
| 14:32.44 | sdakota | nvz: gatordae? |
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| 14:32.49 | sdakota | nvz: gatorade* |
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| 14:32.55 | deadcat | installing (= first printer since the mid 90's |
| 14:33.09 | nvz | sdakota: no gatorade :P |
| 14:33.23 | stdoubt | xbase-clients are "uninstallable due to dependancy to libglu1 and libglu1c2" .......but it *is* already installed. I'm just trying to upgrade it -this is stable? i don't get it. |
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| 14:33.49 | sdakota | nvz: sounds like some spanish red drink with 60% alcohol.. |
| 14:33.55 | kjdis | Is there no amd64 support in Debian? |
| 14:34.04 | sparr | no |
| 14:34.08 | nvz | sdakota: if you never heard of gatorade, you had better google it |
| 14:34.09 | nix | kjdis: not officially yet. |
| 14:34.12 | kjdis | oh, good :) |
| 14:34.15 | nix | kjdis: #debian-amd64 |
| 14:34.15 | jm_ | kjdis: #debian-amd64 |
| 14:34.18 | sdakota | nvz: maybe wikipedia knows about it |
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| 14:34.22 | nvz | sdakota: I dont know what rock you live under |
| 14:34.25 | phycho | is the uk debian mirror down? |
| 14:34.31 | sdakota | nvz: uh? |
| 14:34.32 | kjdis | I wanna install debian on an Athlin 64 but I DO NOT want 64-bit system |
| 14:34.37 | sparr | nvz: gatorade doesnt market nationally |
| 14:34.40 | jm_ | then use x86 release |
| 14:34.46 | kjdis | I am/will thanks |
| 14:34.51 | nvz | sdakota: its the official sports drink of nearly every athletic sport in the world |
| 14:35.07 | [GABRI] | mm anyone know if it exist bootsplash patch to kernel 2.6.15? in the oficial web i can't find it |
| 14:35.10 | sdakota | nvz: ok. |
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| 14:35.21 | nvz | sparr: oh well.. they should market the fact that there is too much red food coloring in the fruit punch |
| 14:35.28 | jm_ | [GABRI]: 2.6.15 hasn't been released yet |
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| 14:35.37 | sdakota | nvz: uhh, wikipedia knows about it, so i guess you're true ^^ |
| 14:35.56 | sdakota | nvz: Gatorade is a non-carbonated sports drink marketed by PepsiCo. Originally made for athletes, it is now often consumed by non-athletes as a snack beverage. The drink is intended to rehydrate and to replenish the carbohydrates (using sucrose, glucose, and fructose) and electrolytes (sodium and potassium salts) depleted during aerobic exercise (particularly in the debilitating Florida climate). |
| 14:36.05 | nvz | sdakota: knows about gatorade, or that it turns me red inside and out? :P |
| 14:36.11 | [GABRI] | mmm jm_ what is the latest version released? |
| 14:36.20 | [GABRI] | 2.6.14.3? |
| 14:36.29 | deadcat | jm_: found samsung (= |
| 14:36.30 | sdakota | nvz: that it's the official sports drink of nearly every athletic sport in the world :P |
| 14:36.47 | sdakota | nvz: it says it has about a million of flavors o.O |
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| 14:37.06 | nvz | sdakota: yeah I prefer Powerade. its made by coca cola, and never made me think I need to visit the hospital |
| 14:37.24 | hent | coffee ftw |
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| 14:37.28 | jm_ | [GABRI]: right |
| 14:37.46 | fireba11 | anyway both got nasty colors ... |
| 14:37.51 | sdakota | nvz: Gatorade's main competition is POWERade, made by the Coca-Cola Company. Kool-Aid also holds a fair share of the consumers. All Sport used to be a competitor until PepsiCo acquired Gatorade's maker, the Quaker Oats Company, in 2001, ending the need for an unpopular sports drink to compete against the original. |
| 14:39.46 | nvz | I'm guessing if I were bleeding internally I wouldnt have to guess.. it would probably be more obvious |
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| 14:40.38 | nvz | I've only been drinking between 24 and 48oz of that gatorade fruit punch at work a day.. and anything that comes out of my body is all red.. every time I spit or anything.. its insane |
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| 14:40.51 | nvz | I feel like writing them a fuck you letter |
| 14:41.02 | sdakota | lol |
| 14:41.15 | nix | just drink water. |
| 14:41.15 | nix | :) |
| 14:41.21 | deadcat | someone check linuxprinting.org for me please |
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| 14:41.32 | beardy | !nvzdrink nvz |
| 14:41.35 | sdakota | water tastes so..... tasteless (ehm, so it doesnt taste ... :/) |
| 14:41.43 | GNULinux | In which rc directory can I put a startup script? |
| 14:41.53 | sdakota | !nvzdrink itself |
| 14:41.56 | positron | just drin red bull or battery |
| 14:42.11 | deadcat | rc2 |
| 14:42.22 | positron | whats rc2 |
| 14:42.24 | EmleyMoor | Has anyone got sun jre 1.5.0+update06 working? |
| 14:42.30 | liran | check what? its up im on it |
| 14:42.31 | nix | GNULinux: man update-rc.d |
| 14:42.32 | sdakota | !nvzdrink letting it go inside its central mainframe so it crashes and explodes and kills everyone here ^^ |
| 14:42.36 | jm_ | deadcat: why? |
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| 14:42.45 | joachim2401 | hi |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: ask a better question |
| 14:42.48 | deadcat | jm_: link not working for me |
| 14:42.54 | beardy | GNULinux: Do it with a @reboot cronjob is the easiest way. /msg dpkg update-rc.d, /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 14:43.03 | beardy | an |
| 14:43.18 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: OK, why, when I try to make-jpkg it, do I get permission denied on stuff in /usr/share/application-registry? |
| 14:43.23 | deadcat | nevermind just slow |
| 14:43.31 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: you're not using fakeroot ? |
| 14:43.46 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: I *am* using fakeroot |
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| 14:43.58 | jm_ | deadcat: you don't need to go to that page |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | ls -ld /usr/share/application-registry/ ? |
| 14:44.13 | stew | EmleyMoor: iirc that is documented in the bts as being known and harmless |
| 14:44.50 | stew | EmleyMoor: #297868 |
| 14:44.52 | EmleyMoor | stew: It is not harmless - it breaks the whole process |
| 14:44.52 | deadcat | jm_: looking for 2010, they have 17xx and 2115+ |
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| 14:45.11 | stew | "This is actually intended behaviour, but badly documented/told to the |
| 14:45.12 | stew | user." |
| 14:45.16 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 14:45.16 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
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| 14:45.20 | _Roey | hi all!! |
| 14:45.28 | _Roey | :) |
| 14:45.36 | _Roey | Alex.. |
| 14:45.37 | jm_ | deadcat: you got a CD with it, right? |
| 14:45.38 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: What should the permissions be? They were root.root, 755 |
| 14:45.55 | nvz | the fucked up thing is.. I just inhaled a Delux Breakfast from McDonalds about an hour or so ago.. so I feel sick too.. this is why I cant drink that crap anymore.. cause I would never know if something was actually wrong |
| 14:46.01 | abrotman | beardy: why do you have my boots ? |
| 14:46.06 | deadcat | jm_: man. i have to mount a cd? )= |
| 14:46.10 | beardy | abrotman: It was mine! |
| 14:46.15 | jm_ | deadcat: it has PPD on it |
| 14:46.21 | deadcat | k |
| 14:46.22 | beardy | abrotman: Now throw it back. |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | nvz: you're blaming your stomach on alcohol .. but you just had McDs ? |
| 14:46.40 | stdoubt | ba ba ba ba ba he's hatin' it |
| 14:46.41 | beardy | Nooo.. |
| 14:46.56 | deadcat | jm_: i am gonna call ups and say i never received the package. they just left it outside the door and i didnt sign shit (= or i sue hehe |
| 14:46.58 | tarzeau | holy crap, who makes debian package names like: public.protocols.syslog public.tools.configfiles public.parser.xml2 and public.network.pcap |
| 14:47.04 | jm_ | deadcat: haha |
| 14:47.04 | hent | McD = feeling sick |
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| 14:47.26 | kjdis | deadcat technically UPS does not always have to get a signature, I learned that after they left my pkgs many times |
| 14:47.40 | hent | i always walk around mcd in a big circle, bah that smell |
| 14:47.46 | stew | tarzeau: i don't think '.' is allowed in package names |
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| 14:47.51 | deadcat | kjdis: damn what if someone just grab it? i mean a freaking huge lazer printer. i'll do it |
| 14:47.56 | tarzeau | stew: yes it is, check textedit.app |
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| 14:48.13 | nvz | abrotman: no I am bitching because this Gatorade Fruit Punch I've been drinking in small ammounts mind you.. I consume a _lot_ of liquids and a very small percentage of it is gatorade.. |
| 14:48.26 | extr3m | i once thought of doing a deb package named inet.tcp.socket.protocol.enhancer.daemon |
| 14:48.27 | abrotman | nvz: gatorade makes me ill .. |
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| 14:48.38 | nvz | abrotman: its turning me red inside and out.. I spit red.. even like 12-16 hours later |
| 14:48.54 | kjdis | yeah it's bull but after calling them about it, they told me that technically speaking, if the sender does not specify sig, the driver has the option to leave the pkg |
| 14:48.57 | stdoubt | lol@extr3m |
| 14:48.57 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. especially the fruit punch |
| 14:49.03 | doubleukay | what does it mean by "This package is for transition only." ? |
| 14:49.05 | nvz | abrotman: I go to the BR and its all red.. its scary its like I am bleeding internally.. and if I was, I would never know |
| 14:49.15 | doubleukay | got this when checking out kernel-image-2.6 for unstable |
| 14:49.26 | kjdis | if you notice on the UPS "missed you" slips, there are checkboxes for various things like "left with neighbour" and "left at back door" |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | nvz: bedroom ? |
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| 14:49.48 | abrotman | doubleukay: linux-image-2.6-* are the new names |
| 14:49.56 | nvz | abrotman: no when I go to the office, to do my paper work |
| 14:50.10 | abrotman | nvz: do you write on the paper? |
| 14:50.16 | stew | doubleukay: in unstable kernel-image-2.6* was renamed linux-image-2.6* so there is a kerel-image-2.6 "transitional" package which you will be upgraded too but that package is just there to pull in the real packages name linux-image-* |
| 14:50.25 | doubleukay | ahhh :) |
| 14:50.29 | doubleukay | thank you, thank you. |
| 14:50.29 | sparr | kernel-image is too generic now that there are somewhat viable non-linux kernels |
| 14:50.33 | sparr | so we get linux-image |
| 14:50.36 | sparr | hurd-image |
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| 14:50.42 | doubleukay | i see. |
| 14:50.44 | sparr | i imagine there might be a mach-image some day |
| 14:50.45 | tarzeau | there's also kfreebsd |
| 14:50.46 | nvz | abrotman: no I just swipe it through the fax machine.. some times I get shit on it and sometimes I dont :P |
| 14:50.54 | EmleyMoor | http://pastebin.com/450973 - what I get when I try to make-jpkg the latest Sun jre |
| 14:50.54 | tarzeau | sparr: gnumach , mach is different |
| 14:51.08 | abrotman | nvz: did i ever tell you about COBOL ? |
| 14:51.18 | sparr | win32-image :) |
| 14:51.19 | nvz | abrotman: nope |
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| 14:51.32 | sparr | that would be an amazing feat |
| 14:51.35 | sparr | get debian running on win32 |
| 14:51.38 | stew | EmleyMoor: those permission denied errors are not the problem, those are expected, its something else |
| 14:51.45 | bizkit | why does if [ $(find $sfv_dir -name '*CRC verified*') ] ; then.. in a bash script not work? it works if nothing gets found, it files are found / a file, an error occurs |
| 14:51.49 | tarzeau | sparr: there is a mailinglist, mostly dead |
| 14:51.56 | tarzeau | sparr: dll's can't be replaced without reboot |
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| 14:52.14 | EmleyMoor | stew: OK, what could it be? There is nothing obvious |
| 14:52.27 | nvz | bizkit: you would have to be specific, like the example of a filename found, and the resulting error it raises |
| 14:52.36 | abrotman | nvz: i had a COBOL class a long time ago .. and i used to take printouts of code when i'd go for a smoke .. but i wouldn't tell anyone where i was going .. and i'd come back without the printout .. and say "Wiping with COBOL is so satisfying" |
| 14:52.57 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
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| 14:53.21 | sparr | abrotman: i have to keep that in mind for C# labs |
| 14:53.23 | bl3ssing | how can I format in linux [kubuntu] my flash memory stick? |
| 14:53.28 | stew | EmleyMoor: assiming you have checked the freespace, and you write permission in the directory you are using to create these, and in /tmp, i'd probably strace it, or start looking at the make-jpkg script directly to try to figure out what is going wrong |
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| 14:53.51 | abrotman | sparr: it works well when you print about a 3000 line weekly project and it's all like CALL COWS-GO-HOME .. crap like that :) |
| 14:53.53 | sparr | bl3ssing: what filesystem? "mkdosfs /dev/sda1" is how i might do it |
| 14:54.05 | nvz | that makes me think of a new one.. I will say I'm "grading papers" now |
| 14:54.14 | bizkit | ok, here is an example file it finds: "/path/to/file/bla the content of this dir is CRC verified blabla" and the error, if the file is really there looks like this: ./scansfv.sh: line 16: [: too many arguments |
| 14:54.19 | bl3ssing | sparr, it is a ext3 linux |
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| 14:54.22 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 14:54.36 | nvz | mynullvoid: not yet, but I am working on it. |
| 14:54.36 | sparr | bl3ssing: you can mke3fs if you want, but usually for that kind of media you use a 'dumb' filesystem :) |
| 14:54.51 | Phated | LEECH |
| 14:54.56 | sparr | bl3ssing: most likely your digital camera / mp3 player / whatever can only read one or two FSes |
| 14:54.57 | Phated | I mean, uh, backups! |
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| 14:55.08 | bizkit | ah got it nvz.. just had to add double quotes around the if question.. |
| 14:55.10 | sparr | ive got a dvd+ burner |
| 14:55.15 | sparr | and a crapload of dvd- media |
| 14:55.15 | sparr | sucks |
| 14:55.19 | nvz | sdakota: I've had one for like 6mo.. I mostly use it for a bookend |
| 14:55.19 | Phated | Yow. |
| 14:55.25 | bl3ssing | sparr, can you be more ... understandable? :-) I'm a novice in linux ... new. |
| 14:55.31 | sdakota | ^^ |
| 14:55.47 | sparr | bl3ssing: there are many different filesystems. the FS dictates how files are stored on the device. what kind of error recovery is used, etc |
| 14:55.58 | nvz | I've probably not ever used a DVD aside from like a PS2 or XBox game |
| 14:55.59 | sparr | bl3ssing: your hard drive in linx is probably ext2 or ext3 |
| 14:56.10 | bl3ssing | I see sparr ... |
| 14:56.15 | sparr | bl3ssing: if you used windows you would be using FAT32 or NTFS |
| 14:56.27 | stew | bl3ssing: are you going to use this memory with a non-linux os ever? |
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| 14:56.38 | stew | not ntfs |
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| 14:56.48 | bl3ssing | I had Fat32; but formated and making an ext3 partition on my flash memory ... :-) |
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| 14:56.51 | sparr | bl3ssing: linux can read anything, pretty much. windows can read FAT*, NTFS, VFAT, ISO, and a few others |
| 14:56.57 | bl3ssing | yes steve |
| 14:56.58 | israel | hablenme en español |
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| 14:56.59 | bl3ssing | stew |
| 14:57.00 | bl3ssing | :-) |
| 14:57.12 | sparr | bl3ssing: hardware like cameras and mp3 players can mostly only read vfat/dosfs |
| 14:57.17 | deadcat | what dpi should i use for resolution on my laser printer? |
| 14:57.21 | israel | una persona que me ayude pero en español |
| 14:57.28 | fireba11 | !es |
| 14:57.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:57.30 | tarzeau | UFS2 with debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 14:57.32 | goron | If I install sotware from e.g. svn, would it be a "bad" thing if would just do make install without a prefix? Or will this confuse the package system, or is there some other problem with it?) |
| 14:57.39 | mynullvoid | !en |
| 14:57.39 | dpkg | english, you twit |
| 14:57.42 | stew | bl3ssing: if you want to use it with both linux and windows, use vfat, and format with mkfs.vfat |
| 14:57.46 | bl3ssing | depending deadcat ... what do you want to do with your laser printer? |
| 14:57.46 | nvz | israel: si, en #debian-es por-favor |
| 14:57.46 | tarzeau | goron: should go to /usr/local and be fine |
| 14:57.47 | mynullvoid | !my |
| 14:57.50 | umbop | hey, does anyone know of a terminal where i can increase the buffer size so that it holds a huge amount of text? |
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| 14:57.57 | sparr | tarzeau: /opt ! |
| 14:58.01 | bl3ssing | shall I only write mkfs.vfat? |
| 14:58.02 | bl3ssing | :-) |
| 14:58.04 | tarzeau | umbop: Terminal.app allows that |
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| 14:58.09 | tarzeau | sparr: yuck. doesn't exist |
| 14:58.10 | goron | tarzeau: Ah, apt stuff goes to /usr/ ? |
| 14:58.13 | sparr | bl3ssing: that will work |
| 14:58.16 | israel | donde esta eso |
| 14:58.16 | goron | tarzeau: that's a nice system. |
| 14:58.17 | israel | ? |
| 14:58.19 | tarzeau | goron: anywhere but /usr/local |
| 14:58.20 | bl3ssing | thank you sparr |
| 14:58.21 | umbop | thanks tarzeau |
| 14:58.34 | stew | bl3ssing: no, read the manpage for mkfs.vfat |
| 14:58.34 | tarzeau | goron: that's unix way, and well, there's nicer systems |
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| 14:58.47 | sparr | tarzeau: i use /usr/local when im installing things that dont have debs, but if i know theres a deb, and i might even have it installed, i go with /opt for zero chance of conflict |
| 14:58.52 | mynullvoid | what a bring day |
| 14:58.58 | goron | About UT2004, it runs great, now I have hardware accelerated sound and a good kernel with the correct agp implementation. |
| 14:59.08 | cr3 | when I boot my laptop, running ntpdate waits a long time when the laptop is not connected. what can I do if I want to automatically run ntpdate when connected and not run it when disconnected? |
| 14:59.08 | tarzeau | sparr: i make debs or install it where i want (too lazy to add /usr/local crap to PATH and where not) |
| 14:59.09 | mynullvoid | tomorrow I had to be in Dubai............ |
| 14:59.21 | sparr | goron: new patch even adds a lot of new graphics goodies. too bad the mod list and force feedback still dont work :( |
| 14:59.34 | tarzeau | sparr: i like software that a user can install into his home and it just works(tm). |
| 14:59.39 | mynullvoid | cr3: play with ifup ifdown script |
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| 14:59.44 | sparr | tarzeau: ive got firefox from mozilla.org in /opt right now because of bugs in the debian firefox packages |
| 14:59.46 | goron | sparr: What patch? |
| 14:59.50 | sparr | goron: 3369 |
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| 14:59.59 | tarzeau | sparr: the mozilla.org firefox is buggy too |
| 15:00.01 | goron | sparr: Hmm, already outdated... |
| 15:00.04 | sparr | tarzeau: less buggy |
| 15:00.13 | sparr | goron: heh, patch came out like yesterday |
| 15:00.17 | tarzeau | sparr: we have it the same way at work and i divert it |
| 15:00.26 | goron | sparr: I installed new graphic drivers a few days ago, and again there are new drivers. |
| 15:00.30 | sparr | i cant install extensions with debian's firefox |
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| 15:00.35 | tarzeau | sparr: hahaha |
| 15:00.35 | sparr | goron: yep :) |
| 15:00.47 | goron | sparr: Well, at least it seems they do something now :) |
| 15:00.52 | _outlaw | I'm trying to install kde fron testing and have run into a dependency problem and would like to know if anybody can suggest a "work-around" may I provide the details please? |
| 15:00.54 | tarzeau | sparr: debian , which version? sid? experimental? |
| 15:00.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: how is swiss? |
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| 15:01.01 | bl3ssing | sparr, it is not working with mkfs.vfat command. :-( |
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| 15:01.07 | goron | sparr: But unfortunately new software/hardware ships before its tested. |
| 15:01.09 | cheal | _outlaw: ideally at #debian-kde |
| 15:01.11 | cr3 | mynullvoid: I'm not sure I understand what I can do with ifup and ifdown |
| 15:01.12 | sparr | tarzeau: incoming! :) j/k, unstable. |
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| 15:01.19 | bl3ssing | stew, where can I find that manpage for mkfs.vfat? |
| 15:01.24 | _outlaw | thank you cheal |
| 15:01.57 | goron | sparr: Time to market is the most important these days. |
| 15:01.57 | sparr | bl3ssing: it might not be /dev/sda1, thats just where my first usb storage device goes |
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| 15:01.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you mean how is switerland? still not enough snow |
| 15:02.08 | tarzeau | sparr: it still has not 1.5... |
| 15:02.13 | liran | is there a log of everything that happend with apt/dpkg? error messages and installs... |
| 15:02.15 | sparr | goron: witness xbox360 launch, with zero next gen titles |
| 15:02.19 | tarzeau | liran: no |
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| 15:02.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes I meant that |
| 15:02.30 | liran | ok |
| 15:02.31 | goron | sparr: And a bogus power source. |
| 15:02.33 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you like snow? |
| 15:02.37 | tarzeau | liran: one major thing that sucks about dpkg. and there is one at BTS |
| 15:02.41 | liran | maybe thats a feature request then, no? :) |
| 15:02.53 | EmleyMoor | I am unable to see anything wrong with anything that would stop make-jpkg working in this way |
| 15:02.56 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: if it's not yellow |
| 15:02.58 | bl3ssing | the snow has already come in n.j. - usa. :-) so beautiful. |
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| 15:03.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what about brown? |
| 15:03.03 | stew | liran: in the dosfstools package |
| 15:03.10 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i like it white |
| 15:03.10 | stew | bl3ssing: ^^^^ |
| 15:03.15 | sparr | im all the way down in TN, we might get snow within the next week |
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| 15:03.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what if it is sort of off white? |
| 15:03.23 | goron | Also I am now running Firefox 1.04, and since I run Stable it has all known security bugs fixed, right? |
| 15:03.32 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: google pictures white |
| 15:03.40 | tarzeau | goron: no |
| 15:03.41 | EmleyMoor | goron: It's 1.0.7 in disguise |
| 15:03.43 | tarzeau | goron: it's not really 1.0.4 |
| 15:03.46 | sparr | its -5C here already |
| 15:03.50 | stew | goron: as long as you have a security line in sources.list, you are actually running 1.0.6 |
| 15:04.03 | goron | The version says 1.04? |
| 15:04.05 | liran | on dkpg -l what does "pn" means? |
| 15:04.14 | goron | Who had come up with that? |
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| 15:04.16 | EmleyMoor | goron: That's the disguise |
| 15:04.23 | Nomad | I'm in Atlanta. If we get snow, I'm not leaving my house. People down here have no clue how to deal with that stuff |
| 15:04.28 | goron | EmleyMoor: Yes, I get that, but why is that? |
| 15:04.29 | stew | liran: the p means purged and the n means not installed, (there is legend at the top of the output) |
| 15:04.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we have white sand here |
| 15:04.32 | sparr | Nomad: same here |
| 15:04.38 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: its sort of like snow but not cold |
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| 15:04.48 | sparr | jharrisonwk: you also have hurricanes :) |
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| 15:04.59 | stew | liran: actually p means you have requested it to be purged and n means it actually is purged |
| 15:05.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: like that: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/photos/jungfraujoch/index.jpg |
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| 15:05.19 | liran | oh my you're right, havent noticed that |
| 15:05.20 | liran | thanks |
| 15:05.29 | jharrisonwk | sparr: yeah so? |
| 15:05.29 | EmleyMoor | goron: Do you not understand what a disguise is, or do you want to know why it is disguised? |
| 15:05.52 | goron | EmleyMoor: Well, it sounds like security though obscurity. |
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| 15:05.59 | goron | EmleyMoor: And that's not secure. |
| 15:06.00 | stew | goron: normally stable never gets new versions of software, only security fixes, in this case it was too dificult to put the security fixes back into 1.0.4 so they released 1.0.6 into stable (which is very rare), but they disguised it as a security patch |
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| 15:06.21 | goron | stew: like a trojan horse ;) |
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| 15:06.48 | stew | goron: 1.0.6 had all the security fixes they were trying to backport unsuccessfully into 1.0.4, when they were trying to backport the fixes into 1.0.4 it was making 1.0.4 extremely unreliable |
| 15:06.50 | moeen | is there a 'alsaconfig' file in Debian Testing ? |
| 15:07.05 | stew | moeen: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 15:07.09 | goron | stew: Ok, thanks for the explanation. |
| 15:07.51 | EmleyMoor | Can someone else do me a favour and try to make-jpkg of the current version available from Sun? |
| 15:08.37 | EmleyMoor | I want to be sure whether it's just me or not |
| 15:08.38 | moeen | stew, thanks :D but why the package 'alsa' will not install them and just install alsa-base ?! |
| 15:09.19 | stew | moeen: i don't know, you'd have to ask the maintainer |
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| 15:10.24 | crocus | I use 'mount -t iso9660 /media/cdrom' to mount a music, but I got some warning and the mount failed |
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| 15:10.34 | crocus | however, with data CD, it's mounted ok. |
| 15:10.41 | EmleyMoor | crocus: You don't mount audio CDs. |
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| 15:11.03 | crocus | EmleyMoor, then how do I use audio cds? |
| 15:11.13 | mynullvoid | bye all |
| 15:11.15 | EmleyMoor | crocus: Run a program to play/rip them |
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| 15:11.37 | stew | crocus: just point a player at the device (/dev/cdrom?) |
| 15:12.01 | stew | crocus: audio cds don't contain a filesystem and therefore cannot be mounted |
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| 15:12.21 | crocus | I am so stupid. I never played a cd under linux for so many years and today I tried so hard to mount it ... |
| 15:12.41 | crocus | can xmms play cds? |
| 15:12.45 | stew | yes |
| 15:13.16 | crocus | I am asking because I don't have xmms at hand right now. so I just open a 'file' and open '/dev/cdrom' right? |
| 15:13.17 | _Roey | crocus: 'playcd' also works |
| 15:13.19 | _Roey | or cdplay |
| 15:13.19 | EmleyMoor | Could it be that Sun are putting out faulty files? |
| 15:13.19 | abrotman | crocus: you don't mount audio CDs |
| 15:13.20 | _Roey | not sure which one |
| 15:13.23 | shib | i have a webserver running on my computer, so i have to save files in the folder /var/www, but when i try to do that it says: "Could not save the file", what's the problem? |
| 15:13.33 | _Roey | abrotman: hi |
| 15:13.39 | Maledict | god bitch |
| 15:13.44 | abrotman | what?! |
| 15:13.46 | _Roey | abrotman: I can't boot off of this dell poweredge 1850. |
| 15:13.50 | oskie | you shouldn't need to mount CDs with filesystems anyway... |
| 15:13.51 | EmleyMoor | shib: Permissions? |
| 15:13.57 | abrotman | _Roey: haven't we had this discussion .. Dell sucks :) |
| 15:14.01 | shib | It worked a couple of weeks ago |
| 15:14.07 | shib | what do i have to change? |
| 15:14.08 | _Roey | abrotman: oh man c'mawn... :) |
| 15:14.10 | _Roey | abrotman: hehe |
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| 15:14.25 | crocus | stew, so I just open a 'file' and open '/dev/cdrom' right? I mean under xmms |
| 15:14.33 | _Roey | abrotman: the kernel panics in booting. I don't know why. |
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| 15:14.55 | phycho | anyone know how to fix segfault issues? |
| 15:14.56 | phycho | root@gw:~# apt-get install snort |
| 15:14.56 | phycho | Reading package lists... Done |
| 15:14.56 | phycho | Segmentation faulty tree... 50% |
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| 15:14.59 | misieq_ | can i extract an icon from windows .exe? |
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| 15:15.10 | _Roey | abrotman: how hard should it be to get a Debian system up and running... ARG. I think I want to take that ETch installer CD and re-do it with my own kernel but that takes soooo long..arg. |
| 15:15.18 | phycho | aargh segfault |
| 15:15.22 | abrotman | _Roey: when you choose Dell hardware .. it's hard :) |
| 15:15.28 | Daveman | yo abrotman |
| 15:15.32 | abrotman | hi |
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| 15:15.41 | EmleyMoor | phycho: Under what circumstances are you getting segfaults? |
| 15:16.02 | shib | EmleyMoor: what do i have to change so i can save files in that folder again? |
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| 15:16.38 | EmleyMoor | shib: Make sure you are a member of the group that owns it and that the group has write permission |
| 15:16.47 | shib | ok |
| 15:16.52 | phycho | emilymoor - when using apt-get |
| 15:17.02 | phycho | root@gw:/var/log# apt-get install snort |
| 15:17.02 | phycho | Reading package lists... Done |
| 15:17.02 | phycho | Segmentation faulty tree... 50% |
| 15:17.14 | EmleyMoor | ... and under any other circumstances?> |
| 15:17.26 | phycho | yeh.. regularly the filesystem is becoming corrupt |
| 15:17.28 | phycho | and sshd is segfaulting |
| 15:17.40 | EmleyMoor | phycho: Tried replacing your RAM? |
| 15:17.43 | phycho | nope |
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| 15:17.55 | EmleyMoor | That would be my first suggestion |
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| 15:18.19 | abrotman | _Roey: did you try sarge 2.6.14 ? |
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| 15:19.14 | goron | _Roey: Getting Debian up and running was a complete pain this time for me too. |
| 15:19.18 | stew | crocus: that would be my guess, but i haven't used xmms in a few years |
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| 15:20.08 | EmleyMoor | I can't get to the bottom of this make-jpkg problem at all |
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| 15:21.07 | EmleyMoor | Whatever it is, it's failing with old versions too |
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| 15:21.12 | GNULinux | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 15:21.14 | stew | EmleyMoor: did you try stracing it? |
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| 15:21.24 | EmleyMoor | Yes - no useful information |
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| 15:21.40 | _Roey | abrotman: sarge 2.6.14?? |
| 15:21.46 | _Roey | abrotman: there is such a thing?? |
| 15:21.47 | harfooz | Hi all -- I'm looking at the HP L2000 laptop, but see that it's got a 64-bit processor. Is the 64-bit stuff more trouble than it's worth for things like firefox and jre? Can 32-bit Sarge be installed on it instead? |
| 15:21.48 | _Roey | abrotman: I didn't know. |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | !tell _Roey about sarge 2.6.14 |
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| 15:21.53 | abrotman | _Roey: unofficially |
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| 15:21.57 | _Roey | abrotman: ohhhh ok. |
| 15:22.00 | GNULinux | where do i get the public key? |
| 15:22.00 | stew | EmleyMoor: you could install a jre from debian-unofficial.org |
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| 15:22.28 | stew | !apt-key 8722E71E |
| 15:22.28 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 8722E71E ; gpg --export 8722E71E | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 15:22.43 | _Roey | abrotman: I'm looking for emt64 + SMP + XFS + LVM (it's a two-way Dell PowerEdge 1850) |
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| 15:23.09 | Maulkin | GNULinux: wget http://secure-testing.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 15:23.12 | EmleyMoor | stew: I could - but I should be able to make my own |
| 15:23.16 | abrotman | _Roey: and you want pure64 ? |
| 15:23.17 | _Roey | abrotman: oh, and of course, the drivers for megaraid_box and megaraid_mm built into the kernel. |
| 15:23.19 | abrotman | _Roey: does it have to be sarge ? |
| 15:23.29 | _Roey | abrotman: well I don't /need/ pure64 |
| 15:23.35 | _Roey | I think I can get by with 32. |
| 15:23.41 | abrotman | _Roey: do you want sarge or is etch ok ? |
| 15:23.43 | _Roey | really I do. The machine only has 2 gigs of ram. |
| 15:23.57 | _Roey | abrotman: I've already upgraded this testing box in the lab to etch. |
| 15:23.57 | tralala | After upgrading my etch last week I've noticed that my hdd kept doing something 2-3 times per second all the time. I've traced that down to kded - it was trying to access /dev/dvd and because I didn't have any discs in it was failing and trying again and again. I had to comment the fstab line to make it stop. Did anyone else had the same problem? |
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| 15:24.11 | GNULinux | Maulkin: i did gpg --recv-keys 946AA6E18722E71E , but it didnt help |
| 15:24.23 | Maulkin | GNULinux: Then follow my instructions |
| 15:24.23 | abrotman | _Roey: did you try the etch installer daily image ? |
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| 15:24.48 | tonix | hy guys, why mandrake includes patchomatic patches in the default installation and debian not? the p2p module is very good! thanks |
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| 15:25.14 | Maulkin | GNULinux: Also see http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/secure-testing-announce/2005-November/000020.html |
| 15:25.53 | moeen | In Debian Sarge when I installed an application, it's link went to a menu with name Debian in Gnome. but in Etch, when I install an application, noting going done !!! where can I find my applications links ? |
| 15:25.57 | Daveman | 2.6.15? |
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| 15:26.19 | _Roey | abrotman: it doesn't have those megaraid_mm and megaraid_box modules. |
| 15:26.25 | EmleyMoor | I think this has always happened on this machine for some reason - always made these on my laptop before |
| 15:26.31 | _Roey | abrotman: at least, the one I tried didn't (the one with the beta installer) |
| 15:26.50 | possie_ | i mounted a iso image via the loop back interface, but i can't write to it, "read only filesystem" however when i do mount -o remount,rw /mnt/loop; touch /mnt/loop/foo it still say's it's ReadOnly, anyone have an idea how i can get this filesytem read write? |
| 15:26.53 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 15:26.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 15:26.57 | cheal | moeen: do you see a Debian menu? |
| 15:27.06 | stew | possie_: iso9660 is always read only |
| 15:27.11 | abrotman | moeen: menu-xdg ? |
| 15:27.12 | moeen | cheal, no |
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| 15:27.17 | stew | possie_: if you want to edit it, you have to make a new one |
| 15:27.22 | moeen | abrotman, what is that ? |
| 15:27.27 | possie_ | stew, ahhhh okee |
| 15:27.28 | tralala | tonix: I guess it either violates the debian policy or there isn't a voulenteer to do it. |
| 15:27.28 | cheal | moeen: is menu-xdg installed? |
| 15:27.30 | abrotman | !info menu-xdg etch |
| 15:27.35 | dpkg | menu-xdg: (freedesktop.org menu compliant window manager scripts), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 15:27.38 | stew | EmleyMoor: if you put the strace up somewhere i'd look at it |
| 15:28.06 | tonix | tralala: thanks! ok, now let's find some voulenteers!!! :-) |
| 15:28.08 | moeen | cheal, no :D thx ! |
| 15:28.17 | tralala | tonix: good luck :) |
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| 15:28.32 | _Roey | tralala: now I get your nick. It's after that video, right? |
| 15:28.37 | tonix | these are the reasons there are many mdk users out there! |
| 15:28.40 | _Roey | you something my tralala |
| 15:28.51 | stew | tonix: check wnpp and see if there is anything there about it already. /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 15:28.52 | _Roey | that's one of the funniest videos I've seen in a long time. |
| 15:28.55 | possie_ | stew, you know how i can see if the iso is bootable? |
| 15:29.04 | tonix | stew: ok |
| 15:29.17 | tralala | _Roey: no, not really. I don't know any video by that name. |
| 15:29.23 | stew | possie_: not off the top of my head, besides burn it to a disk and try booting it :) |
| 15:29.44 | goron | !info exscalibar sarge |
| 15:29.47 | raden | someone recommend a good book for C++ programing ? begineer level |
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| 15:30.06 | moeen | Is there any way to add all the applications from DEBIAN menu to native Gnome menus ? |
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| 15:31.11 | timopr | when i make oldconfig (recompiling kernel), where is that old config taken from? |
| 15:31.35 | possie_ | steve, hehe, okee, |
| 15:32.05 | EmleyMoor | timopr: The .config file in the kernel directory - wherever you got that from |
| 15:32.24 | moeen | raden, C++ Complete Refenrence - Herbert Schildt |
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| 15:32.42 | moeen | s/Refenrence/Reference |
| 15:32.47 | nostur | can anyone tell me, how to get info about what proccess is using my sound card? i cant play music because of that |
| 15:32.51 | timopr | EmleyMoor: aha, okey..is there a way to get the current config from the kernel im using somehow to a the new .config? you see I recompiled a new kernel (2.6) but some things did not work and id like to see what i left out compared to the default kernel I had running |
| 15:32.54 | tonix | ....and is a debian policy to have wide readable home directories in sarge? different from a mandrake default installation! joking a part, i'm a debian user! |
| 15:33.06 | jharrisonwk | timopr: .config |
| 15:33.14 | stew | tonix: the current kernel's config should be /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:33.29 | jharrisonwk | unless you move it |
| 15:33.32 | doubleukay | well i finally solved all my problems with poweredge 850, xen, and debian. just !@#$ use sid! ;) |
| 15:33.34 | timopr | jharrisonwk: the .config in /usr/src/linux.. is the new config ive rebuilt, it no loinger has the old settings |
| 15:33.40 | tonix | stew: ehm? this message is not for me! |
| 15:33.47 | jharrisonwk | timopr: got ya |
| 15:33.50 | stew | oh |
| 15:33.51 | timopr | stew: i believe that was intended for me :) |
| 15:33.54 | stew | yes |
| 15:33.59 | nostur | lofl |
| 15:34.03 | tonix | ;-) |
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| 15:34.10 | antgel | timopr: don't create the /usr/src/linux symlink |
| 15:34.16 | jharrisonwk | I usually move the configs out of /boot |
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| 15:34.29 | jharrisonwk | makes it easier to compile a lean kernel without all kinds of crap in it |
| 15:34.29 | timopr | stew: and indeed this is what i was after :) |
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| 15:34.54 | timopr | antgel: why not? |
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| 15:35.13 | moeen | I add some of my Windows disks in /etc/fstab ! in Gnome 2.8 when I opened Computer, I saw them like this : hda1, hda5, ... but in Gnome 2.10 they are like : 14G Hard Drive, 14G Hard Drive(2), 14G Hard Drive(3), ... Is there anyway to change them or make alias for them ? |
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| 15:35.20 | stew | timopr: the kernel README explicitly says not to (and gives reasons) |
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| 15:35.48 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good way to route the strace output to a file? |
| 15:35.54 | stew | EmleyMoor: -o file |
| 15:35.59 | timopr | stew: ok, not like its that much different for me to cd kernel-source-2.6.8 instead of cd linux |
| 15:36.12 | stew | timopr: right, so you should do that |
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| 15:36.46 | stew | timopr: unfortunately there is still broken software out there that when it finds /usr/src/linux assumes its the source of the currently running kernel, which is likely to be wrong |
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| 15:37.09 | timopr | stew: ok, good point thanks for that info, like I sayd a minor detail that can lead to trouble later on :) |
| 15:37.13 | stew | timopr: whereas it should be looking in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ |
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| 15:38.05 | xored | j #ubuntu |
| 15:38.12 | tonix | is there out there a free firewall debian based? like mnf from mandriva. thanks |
| 15:38.14 | timopr | I was pleased to see how much faster my laptop booted after my new kernel, which indeed had a lot of crap in it, but apparently i also left out something crucial as any ACPI, sound or cdrom refused to work ^^ |
| 15:38.25 | PerfDave | tonix: iptables? :) |
| 15:38.29 | antgel | !tell tonix about shorewall |
| 15:38.59 | antgel | timopr: if your kernel boot faster compared to stock, it's not because you compiled it. it's because you left things out |
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| 15:39.16 | phycho | there |
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| 15:39.19 | phycho | new memory added to gateway |
| 15:39.22 | phycho | will see if it screws up again |
| 15:39.23 | phycho | =) |
| 15:39.31 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me if it's possible to detach epic4 just like bitchx can? |
| 15:39.43 | phycho | nope |
| 15:39.43 | timopr | antgel: that is what I meant ofcourse, like i sayd it had lots of unneeded things in it |
| 15:39.43 | phycho | need to use screen |
| 15:39.52 | stew | Belping--: what do you mean by detatch? |
| 15:39.58 | nurv | hi ppl, I have a problem to solve. Downgrade unstable to testing. How can I do that? |
| 15:40.07 | cheal | nurv: reinstalling |
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| 15:40.11 | xored | as i have installed linux before, i had WinXP running. So i installed Linux as "second" system. Now iqam going to delete Windows. My question is about grub. I`ve installed grub on the partition of WinXP, so if i delete this partition, i would not be ablt to boot, or ? |
| 15:40.14 | antgel | timopr: you don't understand. not everything in the kernel gets loaded upon boot |
| 15:40.23 | nurv | cheal, :-) something else |
| 15:40.27 | Belping-- | stew: well i'm using it through putty, when i close the connection i would like epic4 to keep running |
| 15:40.38 | tonix | no no... sorry, for firewall i mean a ready to use distribution debian based not an iptables interface. |
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| 15:40.41 | stew | Belping--: run it inside screen |
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| 15:40.48 | timopr | xored: you should be able to boot with a bootcd of some sort, then just reinstall grub on MBR :) |
| 15:40.51 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to paste a file into pastebin? |
| 15:41.08 | stew | Belping--: then when you close the window, and reopen it, you can screen -r |
| 15:41.09 | Belping-- | stew: yes, but i have not experience with screen and bitchx had it automated, you just had to type /detach and scr-bx to get it back |
| 15:41.21 | Belping-- | stew: ok, i'll give it a try |
| 15:41.23 | timopr | antgel: I understand that, but if the kernel has support on a lot of things, it has to slow down some while trying to probe for sthings that arent even present, or needed.. |
| 15:41.27 | Belping-- | stew: thanks! |
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| 15:41.32 | tonix | because i realized a debian box to use as a router/firewall/ids/proxy server |
| 15:41.43 | stew | Belping--: screen is useful for many many things, i'd recommend you become more familiar with it |
| 15:41.50 | xored | timo: so just boot with the debian install CD, and reinstall grub ? |
| 15:41.56 | antgel | timopr: *nod* but most of those things are needed in many boxes, otherwise they'd be modules :) |
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| 15:42.02 | xored | timopr: so just boot with the debian install CD, and reinstall grub ? |
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| 15:42.06 | Nenillo | hi |
| 15:42.12 | Belping-- | stew: so i've heard; you're right i'll look into it! |
| 15:42.23 | tonix | and i got some problem with frox and viralator. they work well both but i need some other features like the possibility to select the mime type to filter with a proxy ftp. |
| 15:42.35 | Nenillo | how can I make exim access Maildir owned by "mail" user? |
| 15:42.38 | bbrazil | tonix: I *think* there's ipf for linux |
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| 15:42.41 | timopr | antgel: I included everything i thought id need, aparently something was missing :) in any case, someone once sayd i shouldnt bother recompiling a kernel which i happened to disagree on, imo its an essential part of using linux :) |
| 15:42.48 | Nenillo | I'm getting access denied |
| 15:42.50 | nostur | Anyone knows good prgram for on fly monitoring internet and lan and wifi speed, temperature etc. ? |
| 15:42.54 | Zugschlus | Nenillo: set user=mail on the transport |
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| 15:43.02 | Nenillo | ok, thanks |
| 15:43.08 | EmleyMoor | stew: http://topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com/make-jpkg.strace |
| 15:43.13 | xored | timopr: adj: could i just install grub from my linux right now ? |
| 15:43.16 | bbrazil | nostur: iftop, iptraf and sensors |
| 15:43.23 | nostur | bbrazil: thx |
| 15:43.24 | timopr | xored: i believe thats possible too yes |
| 15:43.32 | timopr | xored: (re)install it on MBR |
| 15:43.39 | nurv | nostur, lm-sensors |
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| 15:43.44 | bbrazil | nostur: I'd go for mrtg for longterm pretty graphs |
| 15:43.46 | tonix | frox + clam works well together but i don't want to scan with clam the debian isos i download from debian mirrors!! is someone experimented ftp proxy + virus scanning? |
| 15:44.43 | bbrazil | tonix: dans squid guardian will give you a http proxy anyway |
| 15:45.03 | xored | timopr: iam not sure, but i remeber having problems installing it on the MBR. the linux boot partition is after 8GB on the HDD. Coudl that be a problem ? |
| 15:45.09 | stew | EmleyMoor: can you strace it again passing strace a '-f' |
| 15:46.03 | EmleyMoor | stew: Done |
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| 15:47.17 | timopr | xored: i honestly dont know, youll have to ask someone else :) |
| 15:47.33 | tonix | bbrazil: yeah, i mean right about dans guardian... bu t i need an ftp proxy! |
| 15:47.39 | MASoft | How can I make ALIAS for partitions that Gnome show in Computer ? |
| 15:48.02 | bbrazil | tonix: squid does ftp |
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| 15:48.13 | bbrazil | tonix: as in you can access ftp via it |
| 15:48.29 | tonix | and it works well? |
| 15:48.51 | tonix | bbrazil: ok, i'll try to use squid |
| 15:48.51 | honschu | Hi, I want to compile my own kernel. What do I need to do to create the initrd? just make bzImage and copy to boot? |
| 15:48.54 | psnl | win 11 |
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| 15:49.26 | bbrazil | tonix: I've never had problems, uploads work too but if you're firewalling they mightn't work |
| 15:49.29 | EmleyMoor | honschu: Do you need an initrd? |
| 15:49.43 | takatumi | honschu: install kernel-package, man make-kpkg |
| 15:49.46 | honschu | EmleyMoor: No, but how do I get to know if it is currently used? |
| 15:49.47 | abrotman | !tell honschu about kp |
| 15:49.56 | goron | Is there some way to isntall all files in this directory with one command? http://www2.truman.edu/~iam504/amarok/ |
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| 15:50.18 | abrotman | goron: did you download them all already? |
| 15:50.19 | honschu | I hate the debian-way to create a kernel - it takes mutch too long to compile/recompile ... |
| 15:50.34 | tarzeau | honschu: yes, make-kpkg |
| 15:50.37 | takatumi | honschu: why? |
| 15:50.40 | loxley_ | honschu: ? |
| 15:50.41 | goron | abrotman: Not all, since a couple of them are the same I think. |
| 15:50.41 | abrotman | goron: ? |
| 15:50.43 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:50.45 | goron | abrotman: suppose I did. |
| 15:50.47 | tarzeau | hah read is there |
| 15:50.58 | blaamann | I can't mount my CDROM anymore, how can I troubleshoot what is wrong ? I get two lines in /var/log/messages when I try to mount it "manually" with mount -t iso9660. The messages are: localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 and localhost kernel: isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32 |
| 15:51.02 | tarzeau | honschu: not longer than without the debian way |
| 15:51.02 | abrotman | goron: if they're all in one directory(with no other files) dpkg -i *.deb |
| 15:51.13 | beardy | honschu: It takes no more time at all than compiling "by hand". |
| 15:51.16 | honschu | How do I know if initrd is currently used? |
| 15:51.21 | EmleyMoor | blaamann: Can you mount other CD ROMS? |
| 15:51.27 | antgel | blaamann: bad media? hardware? |
| 15:51.29 | goron | abrotman: and the dependencies are worked out then too? (interdeb depen. I mean) |
| 15:51.40 | blaamann | EmleyMoor: I've tried two, let me try another one |
| 15:51.45 | abrotman | goron: if not .. a simple apt-get -f install should fix it(if they're available to you) |
| 15:51.50 | EmleyMoor | Sounds like faulty drive in that case |
| 15:51.55 | honschu | beardy: I does, if you compile / forgot something and then you can't just do a recompile with the object-files. debianway makes a "make clean" and that sucks! |
| 15:52.10 | beardy | honschu: Are you running a stock kernel now? If you are, then yes. |
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| 15:52.19 | caphuso | honschu: no, it sucks if people refuse to read the docs |
| 15:52.24 | honschu | beardy: What's a stock kernel? |
| 15:52.29 | EmleyMoor | stew: Not trying to rush you but is that OK? |
| 15:52.41 | caphuso | honschu: if you had bothered looking at e.g. "man kernel-pkg.conf", then you wouldn't have to complain now |
| 15:52.49 | beardy | honschu: Don't forget anything then. |
| 15:52.53 | samuel | im using a 4gb microdrive in my pocket pc, but when i delete stuff on it from my pocket pc that free space no longer shows in linux, what gives? i now have a 4gb microdrive with 165 mb free space and NO files in it!!! any ideas? |
| 15:52.56 | honschu | caphuso: It's more simple to do a "make bzImage" than to read the (in my opinion) fucking docs about a fucking debain-way (sry) |
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| 15:53.26 | beardy | honschu: No one is stopping you. (don't whine about it though, if you want to compile your own way) |
| 15:53.36 | caphuso | honschu: so... you let's summarize: you don't know hardly anything about make-kpkg, yet you feel confident in telling a few hundred people that it sucks |
| 15:53.37 | EmleyMoor | I used to do my kernels the traditional way, until I discovered the sheer maintenance ease of using the Debian way |
| 15:53.46 | honschu | yeah |
| 15:54.02 | bleaked | honschu.. make-kpkg kernel-image is hard? |
| 15:54.04 | honschu | do not make a simple thing more complicate than it is |
| 15:54.17 | caphuso | honschu: yeah, go on. make yourself look stupid |
| 15:54.24 | honschu | ;) |
| 15:54.26 | sparr | bleaked: linux-image!!! |
| 15:54.46 | bleaked | sparr.. really? odd, i was taught kernel-image |
| 15:54.54 | bleaked | sparr.. what's the difference? |
| 15:54.54 | caphuso | bleaked: it changed recently |
| 15:55.04 | EmleyMoor | It is kernel-image - if linux-image also works, that's new |
| 15:55.06 | beardy | honschu: By stock kernel I mean a precompiled Debian kernel installed when installing your system, or installed later through apt-get. |
| 15:55.13 | sparr | bleaked: new names. kernel-image is too generic, there are kernels other than linux that can run debian now |
| 15:55.18 | sparr | EmleyMoor: it used to be kernel-image |
| 15:55.30 | loxley_ | totally missed that :) |
| 15:55.30 | beardy | !linux-image |
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| 15:56.07 | SucumEson | abrotman: what'st he link to the daily Etch Beta Installer .iso? |
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| 15:56.22 | SucumEson | abrotman: and how can I find out if it has the necessary kernel modules? |
| 15:56.31 | takatumi | sparr: make-kpkg does not have a linux-image target yet, maybe in the future, it's still kernel_image |
| 15:56.35 | blaamann | It seems like I can't mount any cd's anymore always the same error. Are there any services or some other applications that need to be running in order to mount a cdrom that I can check (just a longshoot)? |
| 15:56.46 | sparr | takatumi: seems to be behind the times :) |
| 15:56.47 | honschu | beardy: Ok, so I have a stock kernel. What to do to change off the initrd? |
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| 15:57.05 | sparr | takatumi: should probably be make-lpkg anyways, unless its going to be generalized a lot :) |
| 15:57.07 | caphuso | blaamann: the error you pasted looks like hardware problems |
| 15:57.07 | EmleyMoor | blaamann: No. You have a faulty drive |
| 15:57.32 | bbrazil | blaamann: is this a cdrw and have you tried rebooting? |
| 15:57.37 | caphuso | blaamann: and "modprobe fixhardware" doesn't work yet :) |
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| 15:58.25 | blaamann | Rebooting, I thought that was a Windows thing to do when things go wrong but I will try it. |
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| 15:59.05 | bbrazil | blaamann: I've found that if I burn a cd badly that my drive won't work again until it gets a reset |
| 15:59.22 | bbrazil | blaamann: its more rebooting the drive than the OS |
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| 15:59.37 | blaamann | bbrazil: No way to reset the drive without rebooting ? |
| 15:59.46 | EmleyMoor | I remember once a kernel that would not allow CDs to be unmounted - so, after using two, I had to reboot to use any more |
| 15:59.58 | bbrazil | blaamann: no safe way on a normal desktop |
| 16:00.02 | EmleyMoor | (serves me right for using 2.3.99_ |
| 16:00.07 | goron | In what package can I find the binary vncviewer? |
| 16:00.21 | caphuso | blaamann: cdrecord -reset/-abort might work |
| 16:00.21 | SlayerXP | goron: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:00.27 | blaamann | goron: use apt-file |
| 16:00.50 | goron | blaamann: And where do I get apt-file? |
| 16:01.11 | EmleyMoor | Anyone else good at looking at strace output? make-jpkg fails for me for a reason I just can't fathom. http://topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com/make-jpkg.strace |
| 16:01.20 | goron | never mind |
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| 16:04.24 | SucumEson | abrotman: hi |
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| 16:04.26 | stew | EmleyMoor: do you *definately* have enough room in /tmp/? |
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| 16:04.51 | EmleyMoor | /dev/hda14 980308 17404 913108 2% /tmp |
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| 16:05.28 | micro | has anyone tried to install sarge on a dell dimension? |
| 16:05.34 | harleyg | is gcc 3.4 out in debian? |
| 16:05.34 | SlayerXP | why on earth would anyone need that many partitions |
| 16:05.37 | harleyg | stable |
| 16:05.38 | mistik1 | I am running debian-3.1 on a system and need a newer version of the quota package to support the new JFS quota. What would be a good debian way to get a new package? |
| 16:05.44 | SlayerXP | micro: no, no-one has ever attempted that before. |
| 16:06.00 | loxley_ | guys when building a package, is it the packagename.substvars that pass on what libs are needed to build cleanly? |
| 16:06.10 | EmleyMoor | SlayerXP: Why do you find that so strange? |
| 16:06.34 | SlayerXP | EmleyMoor: why do you find that so normal? |
| 16:06.39 | Nenillo | Zugschlus still getting permission denied |
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| 16:07.30 | harleyg | is gcc3.4 available with apt-get? |
| 16:07.46 | pureone | is apt-cache search missing from your system? |
| 16:07.55 | tuyan | harleyg, apt-cache search.. |
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| 16:08.02 | harleyg | okay dokay |
| 16:08.04 | micro | SlayerXP: I looked over the togaware.com linux survivors and found my exact situation, the problem I am having is that debian is unable to see my hard drive. The text said that 3.1 sarge was supposed to fix this problem |
| 16:08.14 | EmleyMoor | SlayerXP: In some cases, I have divided my filesystems - so that, for example, /usr/local is on its own |
| 16:08.21 | harleyg | i know him dont kick me |
| 16:08.21 | harleyg | :) |
| 16:10.11 | EmleyMoor | I also have a partition set aside for peoples' .wine directories |
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| 16:11.05 | EmleyMoor | SlayerXP: What do you consider a normal amount of partitions? |
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| 16:12.09 | SlayerXP | EmleyMoor: well, it depends. anything more than 4 is probably overkill though. |
| 16:13.20 | jharrisonwk | EmleyMoor: 8 is ok |
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| 16:14.23 | EmleyMoor | I have 14 now - could have been 11 if (a) I had accounted properly for the size of one of them (b) I hadn't decided to keep an eye on another on its own |
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| 16:14.33 | Nenillo | how can I add an existing user to a group? |
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| 16:14.51 | EmleyMoor | Nenillo: vi /etc/group, add them to the relevant line |
| 16:14.58 | Nenillo | ok |
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| 16:15.27 | goron | When I send a file from a windows XP SP2 machine to the cups server, it does not print it, although it comes in the queue. I can print locally, though. |
| 16:15.32 | petemc | Nenillo: you can do it with adduser |
| 16:15.39 | Nenillo | ok |
| 16:15.59 | petemc | adduser username groupname |
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| 16:16.09 | jharrisonwk | EmleyMoor: you need /, /boot, /usr, /var, /home, /sbin, /bin, and /var/log |
| 16:16.11 | goron | PID 28552 stopped with status 22! |
| 16:16.20 | goron | Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 28552) for job 4 |
| 16:16.44 | jharrisonwk | EmleyMoor: im just messing around with you |
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| 16:17.10 | jharrisonwk | EmleyMoor: I usually do /, /boot, swap, and /home |
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| 16:17.27 | jharrisonwk | EmleyMoor: but /, and swap is all that is needed |
| 16:18.05 | goron | Never mind, it seems to work again. :) |
| 16:18.05 | EmleyMoor | I put fewer partitions on most of my machines - but this machine is the "most" machine I've got |
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| 16:18.59 | zeier | I have "shutting down lcd after 1 minute" enabled in energy settings for my display. Now, it is off and won't turn on on mousemove or keypress. Is it possible to reenable it by using the console? I have full access with ssh. |
| 16:19.08 | goron | Or not... I get a complete black page. There goes all my ink... |
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| 16:21.31 | tuxbeginner | sers |
| 16:21.53 | tuxbeginner | I need somehelp with apt pinning |
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| 16:22.12 | tuxbeginner | it seems the "preferences" file is ignored |
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| 16:22.50 | tuxbeginner | I set stable priority to 1001 but apt-cache policy shows that stable has only 990 |
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| 16:23.31 | cr3 | how can I determine what package corresponds to a path on the filesystem? |
| 16:23.54 | SlayerXP | winter:~# dpkg -S /bin/bash |
| 16:23.54 | SlayerXP | bash: /bin/bash |
| 16:23.56 | SlayerXP | cr3 ^^^ |
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| 16:24.51 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.longislandishere.com/angelfish.jpg |
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| 16:25.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.longislandishere.com/Cape6.jpg |
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| 16:25.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | I am in a ethernet network and I changed my MAC address on my interface. The DHCP server here does not care about MAC addresses when giving a lease. But as soon as I changed my MAC, I can not get a DHCP lease any more. Is there a reasong ? |
| 16:25.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | I used macchanger utility. Someone ever had this problem before ? |
| 16:25.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.longislandishere.com/capesanta1.jpg |
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| 16:26.16 | goron | Why does kcontrol have no menus on the left? |
| 16:26.21 | cr3 | SlayerXP: thanks, and how do I list all the files contained in a package? |
| 16:26.29 | goron | E.g. for configuring the language and more? |
| 16:26.36 | SlayerXP | cr3: dpkg -L |
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| 16:26.40 | goron | Or is it because it's an old version? |
| 16:26.58 | koudelka_ | is there any wmv codec for linux? |
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| 16:27.07 | jharrisonwk | koudelka_: of course |
| 16:27.18 | cr3 | SlayerXP: aha, I searched for -S in the dpkg manpage and found -L right next to it. that'll teach me to ask before reading. thanks. |
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| 16:28.04 | dimir | s/ask/read/;s/read/ask/ |
| 16:28.07 | dimir | :-P |
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| 16:30.43 | harleyg | how do i mute someone on irc? |
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| 16:30.49 | harleyg | if im an op |
| 16:31.20 | nefertum | with /ban you can do that, ban |
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| 16:31.28 | PerfDave | harleyg: Depends entirely on the IRC server you're using, and not really Debian-related :) |
| 16:31.34 | harleyg | yeh :) |
| 16:31.41 | harleyg | the server im on you can ban em and they still talk |
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| 16:32.06 | takatumi | very convenient. |
| 16:32.08 | chipheo | re * |
| 16:32.20 | fatal | freenode also has a +q flag which works like +b but used only to quiet people IIRC. |
| 16:32.36 | harleyg | ok |
| 16:32.50 | chipheo | guys, how can I boot the installer from a USB drive? |
| 16:33.09 | Pioto | hi, i'm wondering how i can debug how exactly the configuration stage of the openafs-client package is failing... where does this info get logged? (all it tells me is the script exited with status 1) |
| 16:33.18 | chipheo | my notebook doesn't have CD or FDD |
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| 16:34.00 | jharrisonwk | yikes - http://www.marinecreatures.com/images/Blacktip%20Bahamas%205.1.jpg |
| 16:34.58 | jharrisonwk | cool |
| 16:35.20 | goron | Somehow my printer is only printing black pages. cups log shows this: Job 5] Back-channel read error - Input/output error! |
| 16:35.21 | jharrisonwk | found a picture of normans cay where all the drug dudes use to be |
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| 16:38.33 | jharrisonwk | goron: not good |
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| 16:39.16 | goron | jharrisonwk: Well, I came that far too. |
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| 16:39.37 | william | hirc is anyone here interested in China? you know China will host the 2008 Olympics Games 2000 |
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| 16:40.17 | PerfDave | william: Do they use Debian for that? :) |
| 16:41.17 | PerfDave | Pioto: Look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openafs-client.preinst and .postinst? |
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| 16:41.42 | Pioto | PerfDave: looked at that a bit, i'm now trying a complete purge and reinstall |
| 16:41.53 | Pioto | and that somehow worked... oddd... |
| 16:41.55 | PerfDave | Pioto: Also, have you checked the BTS? |
| 16:41.55 | william | hirc I think so! 2000 |
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| 16:42.14 | Pioto | PerfDave: ya, no bugs [i have that bug checker thing that goes along with apt] |
| 16:42.24 | PhoenixMan | Hi. Someone has been abusing his powers, and I wish to warn them next time they login to my system with their account. How do I make it so a message is sent to someone as they login? Some kind of thing like /etc/motd, but then private |
| 16:42.31 | PhoenixMan | And one-time, I guess |
| 16:42.56 | Pioto | PhoenixMan: hmm, email? modify their .login file? |
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| 16:43.26 | PerfDave | Pioto: That doesn't check *every* bug :) |
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| 16:43.58 | Pioto | PerfDave: well, purging and reinstalling has made it work, so i guess i just had something odd in one of my config files |
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| 16:44.54 | Discord | hey do you any of you guys know if there is an apt-get system for windows available? i couldn't find one so started one on sourceforge but i'd rather not recode something |
| 16:45.21 | abrotman | Discord: maybe in cygwin ? |
| 16:45.25 | PerfDave | Discord: There was a Debian Win32 port, don't know (or particularly care) what happened to it. |
| 16:45.29 | pureone | Discord no not as far as ive seen. would be cool though |
| 16:45.41 | hent | sounds like blasphemy to me : / |
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| 16:45.44 | resiak | Discord: Just port apt to use .msi s rather than .debs and dpkg, like the apt4rpm people did with rpms |
| 16:45.54 | abrotman | "Just" ... hehe |
| 16:46.11 | [GABRI] | anyone have grub witch splashimage? |
| 16:46.22 | abrotman | dpkg is in cygwin .. but apt-get is not |
| 16:46.31 | dealer | why always that i update my packages lists and i have something new is prints this? |
| 16:46.35 | dealer | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 16:46.59 | cr3 | how can I determine what debian package contains ucs.sty which is nowhere to be found on my box. |
| 16:47.07 | abrotman | Discord: though .. TBH .. what use would it be ? |
| 16:47.19 | resiak | !find ucs.sty |
| 16:47.21 | pureone | would be good to have a program to update windows software (not like windows update which just updates microsofts software) |
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| 16:47.26 | PerfDave | cr3: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:47.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ucs.sty' (1): (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ucs/ucs.sty) in tex/latex-ucs. |
| 16:47.38 | resiak | cr3: ^^ |
| 16:47.41 | antgel | !tell cr3 about apt-file |
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| 16:48.45 | chapeaurouge | hi all... trying to compile grub-0.95+cvs20040624 (sarge).. but am getting a make[2]: *** No rule to make target `graphics.c', needed by `pre_stage2_exec-graphics.o'. Stop. |
| 16:48.57 | dealer | anyone knows? |
| 16:48.58 | chapeaurouge | any idea? |
| 16:49.12 | resiak | chapeaurouge: apt-get build-dep grub |
| 16:49.18 | abrotman | ask #grub ? |
| 16:49.40 | chapeaurouge | well, it's a debian pkg. i got it via apt-get source grub. |
| 16:49.41 | cr3 | PerfDave: cheers, that is so useful. |
| 16:49.43 | chapeaurouge | resiak, will try that |
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| 16:50.02 | abrotman | why are you trying to compile grub ? |
| 16:50.06 | PerfDave | cr3: No worries :) |
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| 16:50.17 | chapeaurouge | abrotman, grubpxe |
| 16:50.31 | cr3 | PerfDave: I have only started using Debian since recently and I really like everything, not a single complaint so far :) |
| 16:50.31 | abrotman | ohok .. have fun! |
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| 16:50.55 | PerfDave | cr3: I've been using it for ~5 years and only found one thing that's hard to do with it :) |
| 16:51.01 | dealer | abrotman: do you know why apt returns that warning? |
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| 16:51.05 | chapeaurouge | resiak, didn't change anything. |
| 16:51.21 | EmleyMoor | Anyone else good at looking at strace output? make-jpkg fails for me for a reason I just can't fathom. http://topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com/make-jpkg.strace |
| 16:51.23 | abrotman | dealer: ? |
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| 16:51.50 | Knight_Lord | Does 2.6.10 only supports a maximum of 8 processors? |
| 16:51.53 | dealer | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 16:51.56 | resiak | chapeaurouge: #grub |
| 16:52.04 | chapeaurouge | yup thx |
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| 16:52.19 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: they probably taste great |
| 16:52.24 | honschu | ttyS0 works but ttyS1 doesn't - why? (kernel detects both without problems) I get no data/can't send from ttyS1 |
| 16:52.28 | abrotman | dealer: what's the source line ? |
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| 16:52.43 | dealer | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 16:53.11 | dealer | abrotman: just this |
| 16:53.20 | cr3 | PerfDave: so what's hard to do with Debian? convince other people to use it? |
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| 16:53.55 | PerfDave | cr3: Nah, getting rev4 Alcatel Speedtouches to work. |
| 16:54.07 | abrotman | dealer: you need a deb-src line .. |
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| 16:55.36 | blaamann | I've rebooted my system and I still can't mount my cdrom. I ve also tried to burn with it using k3b without success ('never' failed before) so based on the error messages I guess it is dead/borked. Do I need to change anything e.g in /etc/fstab if I go and buy myself a dvd player and mount that in place of my borked cdrom? |
| 16:55.42 | xiaogil | is there a command to list the ten biggest files of a directory ? |
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| 16:56.09 | EmleyMoor | blaamann: You may want to add new references to it for mounting UDF - but that's up to you |
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| 16:56.31 | dealer | abrotman: thanks dude |
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| 16:56.43 | abrotman | dealer: have a nice day |
| 16:56.59 | nostur | hi, is ind debian gnome any program for recording screen video? |
| 16:57.00 | blaamann | EmleyMoor: Are DVDs pretty standard devices or are there anything I should be careful about when buying one ? |
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| 16:57.10 | EmleyMoor | They are pretty standard |
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| 16:57.29 | EmleyMoor | (though, if you plan a writer, decide what formats you want) |
| 16:57.35 | dealer | abrotman: i hope hehehe ;D |
| 16:57.44 | blaamann | nostur: Not sure if wink is available |
| 16:57.52 | EmleyMoor | (I have one that does everything except +DL, though it does do -DL) |
| 16:57.53 | PerfDave | blaamann: As long as you have an ATAPI drive, it should Just Work. |
| 16:57.56 | nostur | blaamann ok, ill try |
| 16:58.24 | petemc | nostur: theres a vnc2swf app that records a vnc session |
| 16:58.29 | blaamann | PerfDave: ATAPI it is |
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| 16:58.47 | PerfDave | blaamann: What error do you get while trying to mount the drive? |
| 16:58.51 | blaamann | nostur: gvid as well |
| 16:59.04 | Mercury | Urgh, I sorta goofed, I need to redeliver the contents of a few Mailbox formatted files, what's the easiest way to pull this off? |
| 16:59.08 | nostur | blaamann: thx, cuz wink is not available |
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| 16:59.48 | nostur | blaamann" but i found only gvidm or changing resolution |
| 16:59.53 | cr3 | how can I determine which package is necessary when apt-get returns: package foo is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:00.15 | cr3 | nevermind that: foo has no installation candidate |
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| 17:00.31 | blaamann | PerfDave: "kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64" and then "kernel: isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32" |
| 17:00.39 | cr3 | so there is no other package as far as my sources are concerned |
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| 17:00.52 | dealer | abrotman: if i use the "deb" of US and the deb-src for Germany, will be printing the same warning? |
| 17:00.56 | PerfDave | cr3: What package are you trying to install? |
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| 17:01.12 | PerfDave | blaamann: Could be a motherboard / IDE controller issue, it might be worth trying it on hda/hdb or even in another machine. |
| 17:01.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what tastes great? |
| 17:01.22 | goron | Windows printing - Check! :) |
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| 17:01.31 | passkillr | does anyone have an idea about how to get gnome 2.12 on sarge? |
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| 17:02.11 | jharrisonwk | passkillr: aptitude install gnome? |
| 17:02.15 | chapeaurouge | passkillr, jhbuild ? |
| 17:02.15 | foo_ | any idea how can i ask a dns server not to recursively resolve a domain for me? |
| 17:02.25 | foo_ | but to reply me with the first answer it got? |
| 17:02.28 | jharrisonwk | foo_: what command are you using? |
| 17:02.37 | chapeaurouge | jharrisonwk, not even sure that gnome 2.12 is in unstable yet.. maybe in experimental |
| 17:02.43 | cr3 | PerfDave: musixtex-doc, but I suspect it comes with musixtex. it's just odd that "musixtex-doc" is returned by dpkg -l '*musixtex*' when there is no corresponding package |
| 17:02.51 | jharrisonwk | chapeaurouge: oh well that makes sense then |
| 17:02.58 | abrotman | dealer: iu don't think so |
| 17:03.00 | cockroach | hi. i just upgraded my system's memory but instead of 1 GB, linux only sees about 900 MB (the BIOS sees the whole 1024 MB). what could be wrong there? |
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| 17:03.08 | wang | anyone mind helping with a samba problem? #samba is dead/useless |
| 17:03.23 | groogs | cockroach: on-board video? it's probably using shared memory |
| 17:03.23 | foo_ | jharrisonwk dig |
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| 17:03.43 | goron | !ask |
| 17:03.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:03.45 | cockroach | groogs: no, no onboard video |
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| 17:03.47 | cahoot | cockroach: need a kernel with highmem support |
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| 17:03.50 | blaamann | PerfDave: I can try it on another machine, but what do you mean with try it on hda/hdb ? |
| 17:03.50 | jharrisonwk | foo_: dig what? |
| 17:04.00 | thingfish | cockroach: which kernel are you using? |
| 17:04.06 | jharrisonwk | foo_: dig www.foo.com? |
| 17:04.06 | cockroach | cahoot: already for 1 GB? i thought that was only neccessary for >2 GB |
| 17:04.07 | thingfish | oh cahoot got him. |
| 17:04.15 | cockroach | thingfish: 2.6.14.3 |
| 17:04.29 | zerve_the_death | ? |
| 17:04.40 | cahoot | cockroach: self made? |
| 17:04.44 | zerve_the_death | cockroach, 2.6.12 support 4gb |
| 17:04.45 | cockroach | cahoot: yes |
| 17:05.09 | cahoot | cockroach: check the config |
| 17:05.39 | cockroach | okay, I set High Memory Support to 4 GB - let's recompile & check |
| 17:05.53 | cockroach | thanks for the hint |
| 17:05.54 | dealer | abrotman: the error until happening |
| 17:06.02 | thingfish | cockroach: of course the additional memory is seen in BIOS, correct? |
| 17:06.07 | cockroach | thingfish: yes |
| 17:06.14 | thingfish | just checking. |
| 17:06.17 | abrotman | dealer: ? |
| 17:06.18 | cockroach | heh |
| 17:06.19 | mathieu | anyone know how to reduce the space between footnotes in openoffice ? |
| 17:06.21 | jharrisonwk | cockroach: to get 1GB memory recognized by the kernel you have to have the 4GB support otherwise the kernel will see almost the entire 1GB but not all of it |
| 17:06.35 | dealer | abrotman: that warning |
| 17:06.38 | jharrisonwk | cockroach: it should work now that you are compiling with 4GB support |
| 17:06.48 | cockroach | jharrisonwk: okay, great! |
| 17:06.51 | blaamann | nostur: It is easy to install wink. Just go to their site and follow their instructions |
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| 17:07.15 | nostur | blaamann: ok, i just didnt found it with aptitude\ |
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| 17:07.28 | dealer | abrotman: the deb-src is already at sources.list |
| 17:07.30 | PerfDave | blaamann: Your drive is on your secondary IDE channel, you may want to try it on the primary IDE channel. |
| 17:07.37 | Tuttle_ | Is there a way to get prepackaged recent Mozilla Firefox & Thunderbird releases when I use Sarge on my workstation? |
| 17:08.01 | PerfDave | Tuttle_: backports.org? Do Mozilla provide their own .debs? |
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| 17:08.56 | Tuttle_ | PerfDave: I'm afraid there is just .tar.gz for linux on mozilla.org at first sight |
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| 17:09.02 | Tuttle_ | at least |
| 17:09.04 | blaamann | PerfDave: Ok, I understand (even though I am a hardware noob). |
| 17:09.19 | MessedRocker | hey is there a filesystem that works well with linux -and- windows? |
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| 17:09.27 | abrotman | dealer: huh? |
| 17:09.33 | cockroach | MessedRocker: vfat |
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| 17:09.38 | MessedRocker | vfat, eh? |
| 17:10.04 | De_Mon | yes vfat is great. I hope you don't have files > 2G |
| 17:10.04 | misieq_ | how can i extract an icon from windows .exe? |
| 17:10.21 | De_Mon | misieq_ have you asked google? |
| 17:10.26 | dealer | abrotman: that warning of apt.. persists |
| 17:10.41 | ircdevil | misieq_: screenshot |
| 17:10.43 | misieq_ | De_Mon, tried to |
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| 17:10.53 | De_Mon | misieq_ you're trying to do this from linux I hope |
| 17:10.57 | misieq_ | yeah |
| 17:12.04 | dealer | abrotman: can be the testing upgrade? |
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| 17:13.30 | jsz__ | hello |
| 17:13.34 | jsz__ | I found a bug |
| 17:13.49 | jsz__ | I was running tcpdump in aterm and the aterm window just closed |
| 17:13.50 | samuel | anyone know of a search for gnome that will search in files such as pdfs? |
| 17:14.00 | samuel | amoungst others? |
| 17:14.05 | EmleyMoor | jsz__: Has it happened more than once? |
| 17:14.24 | jsz__ | yes |
| 17:14.39 | dealer | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 17:14.43 | jsz__ | after about 4 minutes |
| 17:15.04 | dealer | everytime i run update on apt it prints this |
| 17:15.04 | dealer | =/ |
| 17:15.07 | jsz__ | dealer: please use www.pastebin.com |
| 17:15.14 | jsz__ | !tell dealer about flood |
| 17:15.19 | jor | samuel: I think beagle supports PDF nowadays |
| 17:15.33 | dealer | jsz__: do you know? |
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| 17:15.47 | samuel | jor, thanks for the tip, but beale is still VERY beta :) |
| 17:16.00 | ircdevil | jsz__: dont blame people paste on esingle line for flooding |
| 17:16.03 | samuel | doesnt work very well... (at all :( ) |
| 17:16.05 | De_Mon | misieq_ your best bet is to use a windows machine |
| 17:16.08 | sulan | asuffield: hi, what options do you use for indent in dancer-ircd? |
| 17:16.22 | jor | samuel: Works for Me(tm) ;p |
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| 17:16.32 | dealer | anyone know whats this? |
| 17:16.37 | ircdevil | dealer: i heard a lot of stuff is broken in etch these days |
| 17:16.39 | samuel | jor, really? you on sid? etch? |
| 17:16.54 | Malagmyr | How come bash.org still allows quotes IDENTICAL to those already there? How hard is it to do a small search before approving a quote? Argh! |
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| 17:17.22 | jor | samuel: sid |
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| 17:17.32 | De_Mon | samuel thats like asking slashdot .. oh nevermind |
| 17:17.42 | dealer | ircdevil: with the apt packages? |
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| 17:18.21 | ircdevil | Malagmyr: how come they still alllow lousy qoutes - even after the great moderator selection |
| 17:18.34 | ircdevil | dealer: i dont know - i run _stable_ |
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| 17:18.57 | dealer | ircdevil: at you desktop |
| 17:18.58 | dealer | ? |
| 17:19.24 | ircdevil | dealer: that didnt make sense |
| 17:19.27 | EmleyMoor | For some reason I can't fathom, I can't make-jpkg on this machine - it's as if there is a lack of disk space (there isn't) |
| 17:19.49 | Malagmyr | ircdevil: that, too, is extremely annoying. also, a quite with <-500 score really should be removed. and you should be allowed to add a reason when you mark a quote for review, like "It's already there, dumbasses!" |
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| 17:20.11 | misieq_ | De_Mon, done :) using http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/iconsext.html and wine :) |
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| 17:20.23 | dealer | ircdevil: but can be the apt package? |
| 17:20.25 | ircdevil | Malagmyr: amd you should be able to get random quotes with a score +500 |
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| 17:20.45 | ircdevil | dealer check the bts |
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| 17:21.13 | Malagmyr | ircdevil: do you happen to know if they have an irc channel where I can complain about all this stuff? |
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| 17:21.33 | Willyan19 | Olá |
| 17:21.43 | dealer | hum, the unstable works |
| 17:21.44 | dealer | =D |
| 17:22.00 | ircdevil | Malagmyr: according to the latest very crappy quote they have a chan - i just dont know if its on freenode |
| 17:22.05 | Willyan19 | eu sou novo no irc alguem ai conhece algum servidor brasileiro? |
| 17:22.13 | dealer | servidor do que? |
| 17:22.21 | ircdevil | !br |
| 17:22.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:22.31 | Willyan19 | algum servidor irc brasileiro |
| 17:22.37 | dealer | tem vários ;D |
| 17:22.45 | dealer | agora ajuda em linux tu não vai achar |
| 17:22.49 | dealer | portuguese off =D |
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| 17:23.17 | bizkit | i use lftp to put files on a remote ftp, however when i put it, and the file is 100% sent, it hangs. the speed goes down to some b/s and slows down to 0b/s and nothing is happening, any ideas? passiv, active ftp probs? |
| 17:23.17 | Willyan19 | fala uns ai eu naum tenhu problemas com ingles naum...hehehe |
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| 17:23.31 | Malagmyr | ircdevil: when i find said channel, I'll make sure to complain about it not being posted on the index of their webpage too. i'm sure I'll be banned within 2 minutes. |
| 17:23.39 | dealer | Willyan19: entao fala em ingles hehe |
| 17:23.46 | plbgnr | hello, I have irda connected to motherboard. Does anybody have experiences with this ? I installed irda-utils and tried to use irdadump ...there I got after approaching mobile-phone with ir communication turned on name of phone(Sony Ericss). But now I want to send some files from phone to pc but don't know what sw to use... can anybody give me advice ? |
| 17:23.51 | Willyan19 | eu sei ler |
| 17:23.55 | bwlang | what happends when you have one side of a gigabit link with mtu 6000 and the other with 1500... breakage? |
| 17:24.02 | Willyan19 | falar é outros 500 |
| 17:24.07 | eBug_ | how do I extract my debconf bd ? |
| 17:24.13 | ircdevil | Malagmyr: how long would it take to design a mysql database and a cgi script which does the same? 2 hours ? |
| 17:24.20 | eBug_ | something like debconf --get-selections |
| 17:24.26 | dealer | Willyan19: se quer pra ajuda sobre linux? |
| 17:24.45 | Willyan19 | naum só sobre o X-chat mesmo |
| 17:24.54 | dealer | ajuda para xchat? |
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| 17:24.59 | Stereo | hello guys |
| 17:25.01 | dealer | ou pra conversar? |
| 17:25.03 | ircdevil | Malagmyr: and one should be able to give the quotes a score - not just ++ and -- |
| 17:25.15 | Stereo | is there a way of listing packages I got from non-free and contrib? |
| 17:25.15 | Willyan19 | como q eu adiciono um servidor brasileiro no x-Chat |
| 17:25.15 | Willyan19 | ? |
| 17:25.28 | dealer | irc.dsgx.org |
| 17:25.29 | dealer | adiciona ai |
| 17:25.33 | dealer | esse é um br |
| 17:25.37 | ircdevil | Malagmyr: and when a quote have been around for like two months - it should be frozen |
| 17:25.38 | dealer | pronto :D é isso =] |
| 17:25.55 | Willyan19 | ta certo vlws vou tentar aqui |
| 17:26.18 | ircdevil | right folks - now piss off into your own chan! :o) |
| 17:26.38 | bizkit | fuck, mein crap client |
| 17:26.44 | ircdevil | good boy samuel |
| 17:26.47 | bizkit | sorry, wrong channel :) |
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| 17:27.56 | EmleyMoor | Can anyone advise, from my strace output, why make-jpkg fails? It's not a lack of disk space. http://topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com/make-jpkg.strace |
| 17:28.02 | wang | params.c:Section() - Badly formed line in configuration file: ] |
| 17:28.51 | wang | params.c:Section() - Badly formed line in configuration file: ] <--I get this error when cups/smbclient try to load the smb.conf file, any ideas? |
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| 17:30.55 | wang | ....... |
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| 17:30.57 | Inder | Guten Abend |
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| 17:31.22 | Inder | Is this the german debian channel from channel.debian.de ? |
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| 17:31.34 | Arnald | is modutils obsolete for 2.6 kernels? can I safely remove it? |
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| 17:31.42 | mgriffa | hi all, did anyone managed to get internet explorer running on debian with wine? |
| 17:31.55 | misieq_ | Inder, #debian.de |
| 17:32.05 | Inder | thank you :) |
| 17:32.10 | Ronin | mgriffa: what on earth for |
| 17:32.10 | grendal_prime | hmmmm anyone work with festival? |
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| 17:32.57 | grendal_prime | mgriffa, dont do that |
| 17:33.08 | EmleyMoor | No more time for this now - will use laptop to make java package - but could do with getting this sorted anyway so answers will still be appreciated |
| 17:33.11 | grendal_prime | its a one big fkn piece of crap you dont need on your machine |
| 17:33.11 | j_m_k__ | any app to controll wireless/ethernet devices with afterstep, like netapplet in gnome? |
| 17:33.16 | EmleyMoor | mgriffa: winetools does it well |
| 17:33.31 | EmleyMoor | grendal_prime: It is, but you can't get shockwave any other way |
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| 17:34.00 | jsz__ | apt-get install windows-xp |
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| 17:34.14 | jsz__ | I added an apt source for windows lol |
| 17:34.36 | Ronin | EmleyMoor: and thats a bad thing why? |
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| 17:34.43 | hever_ | Hello there, I've got a Problem with my network configuration. My Network Interface is set up and works. I can ping a server very fast and the domain resolution works also fast, but when I'm going to open a website for example in firefox i have to wait a long time means a minute until the site comes up. Has anyone an Idea what this could be? |
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| 17:35.11 | grendal_prime | shockwave? i manage to survive rather well without it and i do alot of webdev. someone needs to finish up the work on flash for linux..lets get ride of the hold that corp has on the dev community..its starting to look like MS |
| 17:35.21 | EmleyMoor | Ronin: If you want shockwave, a lot |
| 17:35.24 | SNow | Hi, there, anyone maybe could help me, the upload from server is just fine, but the download is terribly horrible :)) what should I do, I don't have any firewall's only a simple MASQ script. |
| 17:35.32 | mgriffa | I hate to install ie, but as long as people use it I'll have to use it one in a while to check bugs (I'm a web developer and ie marketshare is still high) |
| 17:35.38 | EmleyMoor | grendal_prime: flash is fine in Linux |
| 17:35.50 | grendal_prime | the devtools? |
| 17:35.59 | grendal_prime | never seen any worth the time in learning to use |
| 17:36.10 | stew | EmleyMoor: sorry, btw. i wasn't able to figure out what was going on with that strace |
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| 17:36.17 | grendal_prime | mgriffa, install qemu..and then put win2000 on it |
| 17:36.20 | jsz__ | what does the government use? VMS? |
| 17:36.26 | EmleyMoor | grendal_prime: Ah, maybe not then |
| 17:36.28 | jsz__ | HP-UX? |
| 17:36.34 | SNow | Hi, there, anyone maybe could help me, the upload from server is just fine, but the download is terribly horrible :)) what should I do, I don't have any firewall's only a simple MASQ script. |
| 17:36.35 | EmleyMoor | stew: So, that makes two of us? |
| 17:36.38 | grendal_prime | that is the only way your are going to get a true windows enviro to test things |
| 17:36.49 | EmleyMoor | I'll use the laptop this time - but I shouldn't have to |
| 17:37.03 | grendal_prime | you do that you can watch the entire windows install from the outside ...makes bug stomping much easyer |
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| 17:37.27 | grendal_prime | stew, you know anything about festival ? |
| 17:37.40 | stew | EmleyMoor: i'd file a bug with the output and link to the strace, the java-package maintainer is very responsive |
| 17:37.52 | stew | grendal_prime: its a text-to-speech app. thats what i know |
| 17:38.08 | EmleyMoor | I will verify the laptop can still handle it first |
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| 17:38.40 | grendal_prime | ya configureing it i mean, it works but speaks very fast on this machine...i cant find any information on how to slow it down |
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| 17:39.33 | EmleyMoor | Um... hold on a minute! |
| 17:39.50 | stew | EmleyMoor: the .bin is listed in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED, right? i assume it would refuse otherwise |
| 17:40.06 | hever_ | Lynx is as slow like firefox.... |
| 17:40.27 | SNow | no ideas guys? |
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| 17:40.59 | EmleyMoor | stew: Yes, it is |
| 17:41.57 | nostur | can anyone give me official site of Wink -the video recorder? iam searching, but no success |
| 17:42.12 | hever_ | anbydoy has an Idea? |
| 17:42.53 | blondie | Idea is not a proper noun |
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| 17:44.01 | blaamann | I finally managed to mount my cdrom by becoming root and then issuing the command "mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom", but I don't understand why this suddenly changed because I ve always been able to just issue the "mount /media/cdrom" command. Do I need to change my /etc/fstab file now also? |
| 17:44.11 | hever_ | When I resolved a domain to an ip i could browse fast on the website. but the first call takes a lot of time |
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| 17:45.36 | stew | blaamann: are you in the cdrom group? is /dev/sr0 owned by cdrom group? |
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| 17:45.50 | stew | blaamann: do you use udev? |
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| 17:46.04 | stew | blaamann: you can alter fstab and add the "user" option |
| 17:46.39 | blaamann | stew: I am in cdrom group yes, I think I am using udev. HAL is the replacement right ? I am on Debian stable |
| 17:46.47 | S4nD3r | Is possible to install Openoffice 2, using apt-get ??? |
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| 17:47.51 | blaamann | stew: /dev/sr0 is owned by root |
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| 17:48.32 | stew | blaamann: if you use udev, you should have udev configured to create /dev/cdrom which is owned by group cdrom |
| 17:48.42 | stew | blaamann: hal depends on udev |
| 17:49.07 | Shadowcat | S4nD3r: for what version of debian? |
| 17:49.13 | S4nD3r | sarge 3.1 |
| 17:49.24 | Shadowcat | no |
| 17:49.50 | eBug_ | dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 17:49.53 | S4nD3r | hummm.... |
| 17:49.54 | eBug_ | where's that file ? |
| 17:49.58 | S4nD3r | I will download it then.... |
| 17:50.03 | stew | S4nD3r: there might be an unofficial way, if there was, #debian-oo would know |
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| 17:50.20 | blaamann | Stew: ll /dev/cdrom |
| 17:50.20 | blaamann | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-11-08 00:30 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdd |
| 17:50.22 | Shadowcat | *shrugs* |
| 17:50.36 | stew | blaamann: but your cdrom is scsi? |
| 17:50.37 | Shadowcat | OpenOffice.org v2.0 is in unstable at the moment |
| 17:50.42 | paolob | hi guys, I installed linux-image-2.6.14, but it hangs during the kernel boot, when discovering hc... (?). Any idea? 2.6.12 work well |
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| 17:50.43 | Necrosis | What is this ? |
| 17:50.43 | Shadowcat | and it's gonna stay there for a while |
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| 17:51.03 | stew | blaamann: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:51.27 | blaamann | stew: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 17:52.15 | Necrosis | What is the azureus help channel guys ? |
| 17:52.17 | blaamann | stew: A long time ago I followed a tutorial on cd writing and if I remember correct I've got scsi emulation and it is an IDS drive |
| 17:52.40 | stew | do you have the ide_scsi module loaded? |
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| 17:53.35 | blaamann | stew: lsmod | grep scsi |
| 17:53.35 | blaamann | ide-scsi 8272 1 |
| 17:53.35 | blaamann | scsi_mod 86052 3 [sg sr_mod sbp2 ide-scsi] |
| 17:53.36 | blaamann | ide-core 91864 6 (autoclean) [ide-scsi ide-cd ide-detect ide-disk amd74xx] |
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| 17:53.53 | djroupe_ | hey all |
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| 17:54.50 | djroupe_ | i have a pb with my webcam!! someone could help me |
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| 17:55.36 | bizkit | !anybody |
| 17:55.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:55.53 | bizkit | !tell djroupe_ about ask |
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| 17:55.59 | O_GOIANO | BOA TARDE GALERA |
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| 17:56.06 | nostur | Ahoj |
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| 17:56.40 | O_GOIANO | ALGUEM SABE ME DIZER COMO FAZER UM SERVIDOR DE LINUX VIRAR SHELL |
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| 17:56.53 | cheal | !br |
| 17:56.53 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:56.58 | djp | do i need to be root or use sudo permissions in order to use cdrecord and/or cdrdao commands? |
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| 17:57.16 | jsz__ | whats the latest kernel out? |
| 17:57.39 | StevenR | jsz__: 2.4.32 |
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| 17:57.43 | Duelist | jsz__: I think 2.6.14 in unstable, 2.6.12 in testing |
| 17:57.46 | hostix | hey |
| 17:57.56 | cheal | !tell jsz__ about kernel |
| 17:58.01 | hostix | i have installled vmware but i cant get it config right |
| 17:58.07 | jsz__ | what about 2.6.14? |
| 17:58.11 | [GABRI] | anyone have grub with splashimage? |
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| 17:58.14 | bizkit | jsz__: finger kernel@kernel.org |
| 17:58.15 | jsz__ | ah yeah |
| 17:58.20 | jsz__ | I might help test it |
| 17:58.43 | hostix | i have compiled the kernel an setup the network an everything seem'd right but i get the wrong config'd error when i try to start it |
| 17:58.52 | dus | can you tell me where can i find debian irc chanel in french |
| 17:58.57 | dus | please |
| 17:59.05 | bizkit | !fr |
| 17:59.05 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:59.05 | AciD | debianfr ? |
| 17:59.15 | AciD | or with an hyhen |
| 17:59.17 | dus | simply |
| 17:59.33 | dus | ok thanks i'll try it |
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| 17:59.48 | andax | is there a solution to somehow "link" 2 ftp sites? i have 2 storage boxes, and the secondary is currenty mounted to the primary box via NFS. But nfs is getting slow for 100+ users. So this "mount stuff to the ftp server" approach is not really working anymore. Is there a better solution? |
| 17:59.53 | hostix | !dk |
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| 17:59.53 | dpkg | hmm... dk is Denmark and #debian.dk too |
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| 18:00.04 | jsz__ | shit theres hackers in my kernel |
| 18:00.12 | jsz__ | I better run anti-virus |
| 18:00.15 | hostix | andax, drftpd |
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| 18:00.31 | andax | hostix: thanks |
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| 18:01.09 | hostix | np |
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| 18:03.47 | Rydekull | God, I really dont have a memory, where was the database for dpkg available |
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| 18:04.56 | djp | do i need to be root or use sudo permissions in order to use cdrecord and/or cdrdao commands? |
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| 18:05.38 | EmleyMoor | You need to have write permission to the devices |
| 18:05.47 | bizkit | djp: no, you don't need root |
| 18:06.17 | djp | bizkit so i can just run the command as for example... cdrdao write... |
| 18:06.24 | jsz__ | will be good when the 3 kernel series comes out |
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| 18:06.36 | jsz__ | or will it be 4? |
| 18:06.46 | bizkit | djp: yes, if you have write access to the device |
| 18:09.27 | SpComb | I just installed debian on my old desktop with a nVidia GeForce 4 MX 420 graphics card. I selected the nv driver, and told it to use a 1280x1024 @ 60Hz, but when I log into gnome I only have 800x600 res. Someone told me to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and I selected the 1280x1024 as a option for the res there, and restarted gdm too, but I still don't have a proper res. Any ideas what I could do to get a good res? |
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| 18:10.03 | bizkit | SpComb: you could use the nvidia binary driver |
| 18:10.29 | SpComb | from nvidia.com? |
| 18:11.15 | blaamann | SpComb: I edited the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and inserted a couple of resulotion setting there |
| 18:11.29 | bizkit | mom |
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| 18:11.34 | bizkit | SpComb: yes |
| 18:11.40 | fbi | Uh, you don't need nvidia's driver to change resolution. |
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| 18:11.54 | fbi | blaamann: advising users to edit that file is a bad idea. |
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| 18:12.27 | SpComb | prophile? He just opened a DDC chat to me... on 0.0.0.127 port 0 even :/ |
| 18:12.29 | karsten | I want to install a debian/testing via ssh. I don't have anything more. From where do I get the latest debootstrap? |
| 18:12.35 | Seb | bizkit: please don't recommend that |
| 18:12.35 | capchaos | prophile, what art thou doing, leet hax00r0r!? |
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| 18:12.35 | Leknaat | Same here. |
| 18:12.40 | bizkit | fbi: but using the nv driver on such a card is.. you don't buy a fast car to drive with 20mph? |
| 18:12.44 | Seb | dpkg, tell SpComb about nvidia |
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| 18:12.53 | prophile | capchaos: sending /ctcps, Ebola made me do it! |
| 18:12.59 | djp | cheers Xalior |
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| 18:13.09 | Seb | bizkit: thing is, you *never* use the installer from nvidia.com unless you wanna mess your system up |
| 18:13.10 | capchaos | Ebola? |
| 18:13.13 | fbi | bizkit: whatever. he said _nothing_ about 3D. he asked how to change resolution, which you *DO NOT* need nvidia's driver to do. |
| 18:13.15 | Ebola | Lies |
| 18:13.16 | bizkit | Seb: however, nv driver is not what most users search for if they're using such fast cards |
| 18:13.31 | liberion | hey guys im wanting to upgrade from debian stable to sid do i upgrade the stable packages first and then set it to upgrade to unstable next? |
| 18:13.32 | Seb | bizkit: read what I'm saying man |
| 18:13.32 | prophile | yeah, Ebola |
| 18:13.33 | fbi | clueless. |
| 18:13.39 | Ebola | I'm just considering using Debian again |
| 18:13.42 | Seb | bizkit: there are other ways to install the nv driver |
| 18:13.42 | prophile | he leethaxed me |
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| 18:14.13 | stew | bizkit: i hope you don't ever drive your car at its maximum speed |
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| 18:14.21 | fbi | i hope he does. |
| 18:14.23 | blaamann | SpComb: Make a backup of that file before you try to edit it because if you do anything wrong you might not be able to start x again |
| 18:14.33 | denken | prophile: stop it |
| 18:14.33 | SuperLag | prophile: got a problem you think you need to spam people on the network? |
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| 18:14.52 | liberion | Seb, apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 18:14.56 | liberion | Seb, apt-get install nvidia-glx-settings |
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| 18:15.02 | Seb | liberion: *I* know that |
| 18:15.03 | fbi | blaamann: do you understand what editing that file does? obviously not. |
| 18:15.08 | Ebola | Reminds me, last time I was using it, I ended up with a screwy res and then couldn't change it, at least from within KDE. I really should reinstall and see what that was |
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| 18:15.17 | prophile | SuperLag: I sent one ctcp! and it wasn't even an advertisement |
| 18:15.26 | bizkit | Seb: however, i'm using the nvidia binary since 4 years with twinview and tvout and every stuff my card does, no problems on many kernels. don't know you're problem. they are crap and got bugs and problems with certain features, but these features are not required by the 'common user'. |
| 18:15.29 | Seb | prophile: don't do it, is all |
| 18:15.30 | wesley | Alguém sabe onde encontro um dicionário português-português bom pra linux? |
| 18:15.39 | nefertum | is there any problem to download all the files from a url? |
| 18:15.43 | nefertum | sorry |
| 18:15.44 | denken | prophile: hardly "one ctcp" |
| 18:15.47 | nefertum | any program? |
| 18:15.49 | Seb | bizkit: dude what the hell is wrong with you ? I'm just saying don't use the nvidia installer, use the debian packages |
| 18:15.53 | Seb | shit |
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| 18:15.55 | prophile | denken: yes, one ctcp |
| 18:15.56 | denken | your dcc chatting and dcc get/sending ppl at random |
| 18:15.57 | pureone | nefertum wget |
| 18:16.00 | Seb | is it still the WE or something ? |
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| 18:16.11 | prophile | denken: I just sent a /ctcp DCC to the channel, is all |
| 18:16.15 | nefertum | mmm, i'm trying with wget but... |
| 18:16.23 | bizkit | Seb: well, you didn't say that. |
| 18:16.25 | pureone | but? |
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| 18:16.26 | fbi | SpComb: if you want your system to remain in a usable state, i would put blaaman and bizkit on /ignore. |
| 18:16.26 | bizkit | :) |
| 18:16.29 | Seb | prophile: what part of "don't do it" do you not get ? |
| 18:16.33 | Seb | bizkit: you just can't read is all |
| 18:16.38 | denken | prophile: on port zero? you arent fooling anyone. |
| 18:16.49 | Seb | bizkit: 10:13:46 Seb | bizkit: there are other ways to install the nv driver |
| 18:16.50 | prophile | denken: to 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:16.54 | prophile | denken: harmless |
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| 18:17.02 | Ronin | i say we all chat him |
| 18:17.10 | Ronin | first day on irc prophile? |
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| 18:17.14 | Seb | someone really wants the boot |
| 18:17.19 | bizkit | Seb: this sounds much to me.. like using the debian package. you're a funny dude :D |
| 18:17.22 | prophile | as it happens, Ronin, no, I just got put up to it by someone |
| 18:17.36 | bizkit | Seb: but who cares? we should forget it.. |
| 18:17.37 | Ebola | wang :o |
| 18:17.37 | Shadur | prophile: Don't do that again. |
| 18:17.38 | denken | mmhm |
| 18:17.40 | Ronin | well if its not your first day you should have known better |
| 18:17.46 | wang | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html <--i just followed this entire document and it didn't work, any ideas? |
| 18:17.48 | Seb | bizkit: you told him to use the installer from nvidia.com |
| 18:17.51 | Seb | bizkit: that was stupid |
| 18:17.51 | prophile | yes, I should |
| 18:17.53 | Brox | im using debian on a amd64. i cant start natulius because it crashes every time |
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| 18:18.10 | Seb | bizkit: it's already forgotten, /i |
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| 18:18.42 | jbroome | denken: could be worse... could be IBS |
| 18:18.51 | denken | heh |
| 18:18.56 | denken | that comes after dinner |
| 18:19.02 | jbroome | :) |
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| 18:19.21 | Brox | bug buddy: pastebin.com/451199 |
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| 18:21.30 | ircdevil | is there a tool to synchronize bookmarks across several machines - or a tool to somehow keep you bookmarks online and in synch with whatever browser you use? |
| 18:21.46 | jbroome | ircdevil: there's a firefox extension that will do that. if you're not using FF, not sure |
| 18:21.59 | ircdevil | jbroome: name of extension? |
| 18:22.08 | SpComb | This howto tells me there is no NVDIST=stable, but dpkg tells me there is, which one do I believe? |
| 18:22.20 | jbroome | ircdevil: off hand, not sure. I'll look.. plz hold... |
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| 18:22.27 | cheal | SpComb: dpkg |
| 18:22.33 | SpComb | oke |
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| 18:22.49 | fbi | SpComb: i already told you. disregard everything you were told by bizkit and blaamann. use dpkg's method. |
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| 18:23.10 | stew | SpComb: you need 3d accelleration? |
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| 18:24.06 | jbroome | ircdevil: Deceptively called "Bookmars Synchonizer" :) |
| 18:24.16 | jbroome | err, bookmarks |
| 18:24.30 | ircdevil | jbroome: gotit - thanks |
| 18:24.33 | xst | I wan't to make a script beein "run by root" so I have done a "chmod +s myScript". But I still have permission problems. Why? Isn't it the way to do it? |
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| 18:24.40 | De_Mon | Hrm my bootstrap created /dev has hardly no devices, how do I get the rest of em added? |
| 18:25.00 | djp | bizkit, but would i need to use the sudo command in order to use cdrecord/cdrdao? the only reason i ask is that if i just issue the command cdrdao write... it returns a permission denied message. is that correct? |
| 18:25.03 | numist | De_Mon: load some modules and /dev gets fuller, in a lot of cases |
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| 18:25.25 | De_Mon | numist it doesn't even have hd nodes |
| 18:25.31 | numist | :o |
| 18:25.36 | numist | you sure you have hard drives? >_> |
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| 18:25.42 | numist | sysfs or udev? |
| 18:25.42 | De_Mon | heh heh |
| 18:25.52 | Brox | nautilus crashes on every startup. bug buddy: pastebin.com/451199 - anyone got some help? |
| 18:25.53 | bizkit | djp: check the permissions for your cd recorder, e.g. /dev/hdc. |
| 18:25.54 | De_Mon | sysfs I guess, the really old method |
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| 18:26.23 | abrotman | doh .. |
| 18:26.26 | bizkit | djp: if it is /dev/hdc, use 'adduser djp cdrom' and 'chmod g+w /dev/hdc' as root |
| 18:26.31 | xam | De_Mon: if you are gonna use udev/hotplug (prefferable latter), you likely don't need many files in there |
| 18:26.55 | brox_ | nautilus stürtzt immer ab. bugbuddy: http://pastebin.com/451199. Kann mir jemand helfen? |
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| 18:27.03 | numist | er |
| 18:27.12 | fbi | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 18:27.14 | jsz__ | how do I run .sh? |
| 18:27.15 | De_Mon | its an old cobalt that can't run a 2.6 kernel and it doesn't have devfs compiled either so I'm stuck with sysfs |
| 18:27.16 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 18:27.27 | numist | jsz__: ./program.sh |
| 18:27.32 | djp | cheers bizkit |
| 18:27.36 | xam | !german brox_ |
| 18:27.38 | stew | De_Mon: which version of debian? |
| 18:27.40 | De_Mon | 2.4.19 to be precise |
| 18:27.46 | numist | jsz__: if its not chmod +x you're out of luck though |
| 18:27.50 | De_Mon | stable |
| 18:27.59 | xam | !tell brox_ about german |
| 18:28.04 | De_Mon | not sure how that's relevant |
| 18:28.12 | stew | De_Mon: current kernel in stable is 2.4.27-2 |
| 18:28.30 | SimonRaven | did prophile get k-lined? |
| 18:28.33 | De_Mon | stew does it have udev support? |
| 18:28.34 | numist | no |
| 18:28.39 | stew | De_Mon: yes |
| 18:28.43 | numist | but he wont be doing it anymore |
| 18:28.46 | numist | SimonRaven: ^^ |
| 18:28.49 | De_Mon | O_o |
| 18:28.49 | stew | De_Mon: do you have udev installed? does "dpkg -l | grep udev" return a line starting with ii? |
| 18:29.07 | SimonRaven | +b i suppose |
| 18:29.09 | numist | SimonRaven: he was 'put up' to do it to #gentoo and #debian, he's done now |
| 18:29.27 | xam | De_Mon: what kind of debian (stable, testing)? |
| 18:29.44 | xam | De_Mon: sorry, just read your answer |
| 18:30.02 | djp | Xalior, is it better to keep things using sudo or should i give 'chmod g+w |
| 18:30.03 | De_Mon | stew no I didn't install it beacuse I know the kernel i'm using doesnt suppor it. It's an old RPM'd kernel by the cobalt guys. |
| 18:30.12 | numist | SimonRaven: you dont have to worry about him anymore, s'ok |
| 18:30.20 | SimonRaven | dumbass. if someone told him to go jump off a bridge would he do that too? |
| 18:30.25 | numist | probably |
| 18:30.27 | jbroome | hopefully |
| 18:30.36 | SimonRaven | ... |
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| 18:30.40 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 18:30.58 | numist | SimonRaven: talk about making the world a better place.. go dare him for me |
| 18:30.59 | De_Mon | I'll try to upgrade the kernel later, but I'd like more devices sooner than that. Guess I could just make the ones I need manually, but yuck |
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| 18:31.09 | stew | De_Mon: then cd /dev and MAKEDEV generic |
| 18:31.34 | SimonRaven | numist: dare him to leave the network ;) |
| 18:31.43 | bizkit | djp: the point is everybody in the cdrom group may write to your cd recorder, so if you have a cd-rw in there and someone else in the cdrom group wants to erase data, he can. if you're the only user on your system, there's no reason to not allow it |
| 18:32.04 | jsz__ | you know you spend too much time on the computer when you have a cockroach, moth and mouse infestation in you're house. |
| 18:32.07 | numist | SimonRaven: I did tell him that if he kept at it then it would be eq to being dared to get a kline... |
| 18:32.14 | numist | SimonRaven: in more understandable terms though >_> |
| 18:32.19 | Brox | ok could you point me in a direction where i could get help? |
| 18:32.32 | SimonRaven | hehe O_O |
| 18:32.38 | De_Mon | stew ... I tried --help and got nothin and didn't even think about a manpage! |
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| 18:33.25 | djp | bizkit, i see. so by default i need to use sudo but that is only the case because it assumes there is more than one user on the system. so by being an "only" user, i don't need such tight security measures, right? |
| 18:33.45 | SimonRaven | sun came out first time in couple weeks, improved my mood =) |
| 18:33.48 | De_Mon | and it's still going. shesh, thanks stew |
| 18:33.52 | Brox | i mean this is wierd i didn't really change anything and now nautilus doesnt quit crashing |
| 18:33.59 | numist | yay sun |
| 18:34.30 | PupenoL | Why do some libs have a number added, like "libspandsp0" instead of "libspandsp" on the packages. |
| 18:35.09 | bizkit | djp: even if there were others on your system it would be no problem, just kick them out of the cdrom group |
| 18:35.45 | Brox | is someone reading this? |
| 18:35.58 | stew | PupenoL: becuase multiple binary incompatible versions of the same library can coexist on the same machine |
| 18:36.14 | stew | PupenoL: google for SONAME |
| 18:36.20 | bizkit | djp: or create a new group for 'burn/write' access, e.g. cdrecord and chgrp your device to this group, give the group +w and the others just +r-w |
| 18:36.41 | Brox | is it clever to downgrade it? |
| 18:37.07 | stew | Brox: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:37.22 | jsz__ | how do I rename a file? |
| 18:37.32 | stew | jsz__: man mv |
| 18:37.51 | xam | Brox: unfortunately the backtrace is not very useful. Sorry I can't help, I'm not using gnome or nautilus myself |
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| 18:38.20 | Brox | kk |
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| 18:39.09 | X-Bull | I wish Debian was more like freeBSD |
| 18:39.18 | xam | Brox: did you try to quit rename the nautlius config files so that it would create new default ones? |
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| 18:39.19 | stew | X-Bull: in which way? |
| 18:39.27 | SpComb | Yay! It worked |
| 18:39.30 | SpComb | thank god for howots |
| 18:39.32 | X-Bull | in everyway |
| 18:39.37 | X-Bull | I like the ports |
| 18:39.43 | X-Bull | in freeBSD |
| 18:39.52 | m_athias | X-Bull: wo don't you yue freeBSD than if oyu like it better in every way? |
| 18:39.54 | stew | X-Bull: why not gentoo then? |
| 18:39.57 | bizkit | X-Bull: then use freebsd |
| 18:40.02 | X-Bull | and the FreeBSD Handbook that's in /usr/share/doc |
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| 18:40.30 | stew | X-Bull: apt-get install debian-reference, and the debian reference will be in /usr/share/doc/debian-reference |
| 18:40.39 | X-Bull | I'm usinf FreeBSD right now |
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| 18:40.57 | stew | X-Bull: are you just here to troll? or do you have debian related questions? |
| 18:40.59 | X-Bull | I used to use RedSplat Linux |
| 18:41.20 | jbroome | but now you're too 'leet for RHL, right? |
| 18:41.28 | X-Bull | yup |
| 18:41.52 | X-Bull | after I switched to the BSD's my life became a lot simpler |
| 18:42.08 | stew | X-Bull: how can we help you with debian? |
| 18:42.21 | jbroome | that's all the convincing i need. i'm wiping sarge off my mail server right now |
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| 18:42.43 | X-Bull | jbroome, LMAO |
| 18:42.57 | mac__ | question about hdparm -Tt: |
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| 18:43.12 | Brox | i think i have gnome2.8.3 - how can i get a newer version with apt-get? |
| 18:43.13 | mac__ | why does doing hdparm -c1 -d1 not improve the speeds? |
| 18:43.14 | numist | bsd is really cool, but where it wins in stability and overall bomb, it lacks in things like available packages and dependency sorting |
| 18:43.25 | stew | Brox: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:43.36 | mac__ | for me the speeds stay at 450M and 45M respectively whether or not 32bit or DMA are on... |
| 18:43.39 | moshii | numist: ever used pkgsrc? |
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| 18:43.52 | Brox | how can i find out? |
| 18:43.55 | X-Bull | FreeBSD can do something Linux can't |
| 18:44.04 | numist | moshii: nope, I leave the BSD admin to my dedicated server admin... he already does BSD admin for a living |
| 18:44.05 | stew | X-Bull: stop trolling |
| 18:44.05 | moshii | anyone know anything about compressed filesystems? like what's available? |
| 18:44.13 | numist | he usees ports on FreeBSD though |
| 18:44.25 | xam | mac: 45MB for -t means that you are definitely using DMA |
| 18:44.31 | X-Bull | because the software builds automatically for you on ports |
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| 18:44.44 | Brox | stew: how can i find out |
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| 18:44.57 | moshii | X-Bull: If you want ports on Linux try gentoo |
| 18:45.09 | kados | so ... I'm learning how to use autoconf/automake and I can't find the autotoolset package (which has a nice utility called acmkdir) in debian |
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| 18:45.22 | X-Bull | nah I'll think I will stick with FreeBSD |
| 18:45.23 | kados | anyone know where it is and if it's not in debian why it's not? |
| 18:45.27 | numist | moshii: with the exception that gentoo doesnt do dependency checking.. you can install gnome and remove x and emerge wont complain |
| 18:45.43 | mac__ | xam: I see (heh, I don't really know what good/bad speeds are)... odd then that turning DMA off seems not to change the speed |
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| 18:46.05 | jharrisonwk | X-Bull: there is debian/kfreebsd |
| 18:46.05 | Brox | stew: in /etc/debain_version there is 3.1 |
| 18:46.07 | mac__ | xam: I only investigated because I noticed by default my HDD is at -c0 -d0 |
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| 18:46.27 | stew | Brox: paste the output of "apt-cache policy gnome-session" to #flood or in a pastebin (don't paste here) |
| 18:46.31 | moshii | numist: really? that's a bit poo to say the least ... means you can do weird things though, sometimes you don't want all of X installed.. |
| 18:46.34 | PupenoL | kados: why don't you give scons a chance ? |
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| 18:46.46 | xam | mac__ yah, kinda odd. It should drop down to about 3MB/s without DMA. Maybe your drive/mainboard is ignoring the request? |
| 18:46.59 | kados | PupenoL: scons? |
| 18:47.01 | numist | moshii: true.. I use openbox and gnome-terminal, but gnome-terminal requires all sorts of crap (most of gnome got installed along with it) |
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| 18:47.20 | mith | aterm 4 lyfe |
| 18:47.27 | kados | PupenoL: ahh ... a replacement for make eh? |
| 18:47.27 | numist | tabbed terminals for life |
| 18:47.28 | PupenoL | kados: a build system that replaces make+autotools, all in one package well designed from the bottom up. |
| 18:47.36 | numist | a screen in each, one tab per computer |
| 18:47.39 | PupenoL | kados: make AND autotools. |
| 18:47.40 | jsz__ | why do people use Gnome and KDE? |
| 18:47.41 | moshii | numist: try building a system in 256meg... and have room to actually do stuff :( |
| 18:47.44 | mith | real men don't need 'tabbed terminals' because they know what screen is. |
| 18:47.48 | mac__ | xam: oh well... where can I find out what "good" speeds are for HDD, CD, DVD drives? They all have -c0 -d0, and I want to make sure that they're running at best speed they can... |
| 18:47.50 | numist | moshii: tmpfs :) |
| 18:47.50 | Brox | stew: pastebin.com/451239 |
| 18:47.54 | kados | PupenoL: thanks for the tip, I'll look into it |
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| 18:48.23 | moshii | numist: fine if you don't want to keep anything |
| 18:48.25 | xam | mac__: well, 45MB/s is reasonably good :) |
| 18:48.27 | PupenoL | kados: after the first time I tried it I drope autotools and make completely. |
| 18:48.28 | stew | Brox: ahh i thought you said 2.8.3. you current have the latest available version in debian stable |
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| 18:48.31 | fbi | who cares if people run gnome or kde. for many users it's how they make the transition to running linux as a desktop. wondering why is useless and stupid. |
| 18:48.41 | Brox | stew: i think gnome 2.12 is around so how can i get near that version? |
| 18:48.42 | numist | moshii: or never reboot :) |
| 18:48.49 | stew | Brox: not in debian stable |
| 18:48.50 | kados | PupenoL: problem is, for the project I'm working on they are requiring GNU compliance |
| 18:48.53 | numist | moshii: alternately, a DVD-RW is a slow way to do the same thing |
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| 18:48.59 | kados | PupenoL: and automake/autoconf |
| 18:49.03 | Brox | stew: anyway its not really stable |
| 18:49.04 | xam | mac__ you should read the specs of your harddrive ;) |
| 18:49.08 | PupenoL | kados: outch. |
| 18:49.09 | stew | Brox: well there might be a newer version available at backports.org |
| 18:49.11 | kados | PupenoL: so I don't have a choice this time :( |
| 18:49.24 | eleftherios | sound used to work on my machine until I run alsaconf. My soundcard got detected and mpd starts without problem yet I get no sound (I have all the mixer levels on max). Any suggestions please? |
| 18:49.24 | Brox | stew: perhaps i should downgrade? |
| 18:49.29 | PupenoL | kados: take a look at it anyway, for when you have the choice ;) |
| 18:49.32 | Xenguy | er, prophile |
| 18:49.32 | mac__ | xam: true enough, thx |
| 18:49.33 | stew | Brox: stable in linux means not changing, it doesn't necessarily mean not crashy |
| 18:49.38 | kados | PupenoL: absolutely! thx |
| 18:49.57 | kados | so noone knows why autotoolset isn't in debian sarge eh? |
| 18:49.57 | stew | Brox: downgrade to a pre-release version? |
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| 18:51.16 | Brox | stew: yup |
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| 18:51.24 | Qoco | hey.. has anyone a clue how to setup mailgraph (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~dws/software/mailgraph/)? i only get the word "mailgraph" instead of any stats. In the Apache Error Log I get the message "Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi ERROR: opening '/var/lib/mailgraph/mailgraph.rrd': No such file or directory" |
| 18:51.40 | bleaked | could someone please recommend a fast, quality, ripping app, which has fast, quality flac/ogg/mp3 encoding built in? |
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| 18:51.55 | nixie | fast, quality. doesnt mix. |
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| 18:52.00 | djw | I see prophile is an idiot |
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| 18:52.12 | m1ll3` | what was the name of that debian-tool which can configure the soundcard (like alsaconf) |
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| 18:52.26 | Ronin | djw: indeed |
| 18:52.46 | bleaked | nixie.. well, i would like the quickest of the quality rippers. |
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| 18:53.49 | psychonate | nixie, well, grip is a frontend for any ripper/encoder you choose... |
| 18:53.51 | ecliptik | bleaked, I think cdparanoia is the de-facto audio ripper for linux, then you can use any gui frontend for it. I use grip which does, flac, ogg, mp3 encoding as long as you have the supporting binary. |
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| 18:53.53 | moshii | bleaked: crip |
| 18:53.57 | psychonate | er |
| 18:54.01 | psychonate | that was for bleaked heh |
| 18:54.06 | djp | is it possible to convert flac files to wav? |
| 18:54.06 | nixie | :) |
| 18:54.13 | psychonate | djp, absolutely |
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| 18:54.21 | psychonate | djp, flac --decode |
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| 18:55.11 | ecliptik | bleaked, I think you can change it so it doesn't do any error checking, etc. |
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| 18:55.16 | psychonate | bleaked, that's not really grip's fault. That depends on which ripper and encoder you select |
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| 18:55.19 | JoaoJoao | hello |
| 18:55.28 | djp | pyschonate, so i just issue that command? i have flac installed. |
| 18:55.31 | psychonate | bleaked, and the options you choose, and the speed of your cdrom drive |
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| 18:56.03 | psychonate | djp, 'flac --decode file.flac' |
| 18:56.46 | djp | excellent psychonate. thank you. |
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| 18:57.01 | psychonate | djp, np, but why did you want to decode to wav anyway? |
| 18:57.20 | _daniel_ | Hi how do I find a file in a directrory I keep doing |
| 18:57.25 | _daniel_ | daniel@debian:~$ find -iname lecat1 |
| 18:57.25 | _daniel_ | find: ./.kde/share/apps/k3b: Permission denied |
| 18:57.25 | _daniel_ | find: ./.msf: Permission denied |
| 18:57.25 | _daniel_ | find: ./.idapro: Permission denied |
| 18:57.25 | _daniel_ | find: ./sara-6.0.4/results: Permission denied |
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| 18:57.32 | djp | psychonate, oh... i wanted to creat some audio cd's for xmas. do i not need to convert to wav then? |
| 18:57.37 | numist | sweet |
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| 18:57.39 | djp | creat=create |
| 18:57.54 | psychonate | djp, yes, you do, but many burning apps will do that for you, such as K3B. |
| 18:58.04 | _daniel_ | Why does it not find the file if I know the file exists and is called lecat1.jpg? |
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| 18:58.17 | jsz__ | _daniel_: try sudo first |
| 18:58.19 | psychonate | djp, I'm not sure off the top of my head which ones will decode flac, but I know K3B does. |
| 18:58.20 | bleaked | psychonate.. ok, thanks. |
| 18:58.21 | xam | errmm, why did dpkg/debhelper not floodkicked daniel? is it turned off? |
| 18:59.05 | djp | psychonate, i'm using cdrdao to create my cd's |
| 18:59.05 | _daniel_ | jsz__, then it doesnt yield anything |
| 18:59.05 | psychonate | djp, ah, you prefer command line I suppose? |
| 18:59.06 | jsz__ | sudo find file |
| 18:59.11 | _daniel_ | yes of course |
| 18:59.23 | _daniel_ | daniel@debian:~$ sudo find -iname lecat1 |
| 18:59.23 | _daniel_ | daniel@debian:~$ |
| 18:59.24 | Qoco | hey.. has anyone a clue how to setup mailgraph (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~dws/software/mailgraph/)? i only get the word "mailgraph" instead of any stats. In the Apache Error Log I get the message "Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi ERROR: opening '/var/lib/mailgraph/mailgraph.rrd': No such file or directory" |
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| 19:00.15 | djp | psychonate, it seems to work fine for me with my mp3 and ogg files, so i suppose it is what i have become used to |
| 19:00.31 | psychonate | djp, nothing wrong with that |
| 19:00.48 | psychonate | K3B is nice though if you ever want to try a GUI and don't mind qt heh |
| 19:00.52 | _daniel_ | I know the file is in my Desktop, why doesnt it finds it ? |
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| 19:01.28 | ne__free | How can i force a remount / read-only, mount -o remount,ro / gives: mount: / is busy, how can i tell :i don't care if it is busy just DO IT ? |
| 19:01.55 | djp | psychonate, sure. i used it under suse and like it a lot |
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| 19:02.27 | Qoco | ne__free use mount -f |
| 19:02.35 | psychonate | djp, yeah, unfortunately it's not in testing atm, so I've been using cdrecord a lot lately |
| 19:02.47 | m1ll3` | what was the name of that debian-tool which can configure the soundcard (like alsaconf) |
| 19:03.30 | ne__free | Qoco Thank you |
| 19:03.47 | JoaoJoao | how can I get rid of this error when I try to do apt-get upgrade: E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs. |
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| 19:04.01 | Brox | is there an amd64 debian irc? |
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| 19:04.20 | cheal | !tell Brox about amd64 |
| 19:04.29 | S4nD3r | Hello... |
| 19:04.43 | wang | Brox what? |
| 19:04.45 | S4nD3r | Id like to have a sources.list with best mirrors do use... |
| 19:04.50 | S4nD3r | Where do I find ?? |
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| 19:05.13 | xam | S4nD3r: run apt-setup |
| 19:05.38 | S4nD3r | Id like to install kde3.4 and openoffice 2 |
| 19:05.39 | ne_reg | How can i FORCE a mount -o ro,remount /; -f doesn't work |
| 19:05.48 | S4nD3r | but, openoffice 2, I must download the .deb |
| 19:05.49 | S4nD3r | eheheh |
| 19:06.15 | Malagmyr | S4nD3r: A "mirror" gets its name from being exactly the same as the server it's mirroring. Use apt-setup and find the mirror closest to your location. It should be the best, meaning "fastest", for you. |
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| 19:06.48 | S4nD3r | I understand |
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| 19:06.52 | S4nD3r | thanks |
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| 19:08.22 | Malagmyr | S4nD3r: also, to find weird stuff that's not on the official mirrors, try searching for it on apt-get.org and adding the appropriate mirror to your sources.list |
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| 19:09.02 | Brox | how do i downgrade with apt-get? |
| 19:09.17 | jsz__ | apt-get remove? |
| 19:09.27 | RichiH | Brox: do you mean a single package or a distro? |
| 19:09.39 | Brox | a single package: nautlius |
| 19:09.59 | jelly | Brox: for a single package you can specify an exact version: apt-get install foo=1.2.3-1 |
| 19:10.16 | m1ll3` | what was the name of that debian-tool which can configure the soundcard (like alsaconf) |
| 19:10.37 | jelly | Brox: so take a look at which versions are available: apt-cache policy nautilus, and you can install one of those via apt. |
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| 19:10.53 | Pego | hi |
| 19:11.24 | S4nD3r | thanks everybody |
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| 19:11.31 | Brox | jelly> there is only one possible version listed |
| 19:11.32 | Pego | what is the command for group the repeated string in bash ? |
| 19:12.08 | kingsley | What's the name of the plugin for Firefox or Mozilla that provides a button, which when clicked on with the mouse, clears the URL window? |
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| 19:13.05 | jelly | Brox: tough luck, either add some other distribution to sources.list or download by hand and install with dpkg. |
| 19:13.28 | jelly | Brox: s/distribution/release/, ie. testing or stable. |
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| 19:15.06 | valdyn | Pego: you words do not make sense |
| 19:15.12 | valdyn | Pego: your words do not make sense |
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| 19:16.16 | Brox | who needs nautilus!! |
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| 19:17.09 | SpComb | Hmm, libapache2-mod-php5 doesn't like apache2 :/ |
| 19:17.18 | eleftherios | are there any alternatives for sound to alsa? Sound used to work on my machine until I run alsaconf |
| 19:17.31 | SpComb | anyone have any howto/knowledge of php5 and apache2 on debian? |
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| 19:18.02 | SpComb | dpkg isn't very comprehensible on the subject |
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| 19:18.36 | Qiang | where do i find out how apt-get , dpkg handle installed older packages when installing newer ones? will it delete/rename the old one ? couldn'f find anything in apt-get howto. |
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| 19:19.07 | dondelelcaro | Qiang: basically, the old package is removed, and the new package is installed. It's slightly more complicated, but that's the basic idea. |
| 19:19.36 | Pego | valdyn: my english is bad :/ but my final need is to create a dir recursivly in many dir where there is .jpg in one main dir :( |
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| 19:19.51 | Pego | valdyn: lol it still have no sense :/ |
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| 19:20.02 | dondelelcaro | Qiang: if you're looking for the technical details of how it's done, that's in the dpkg source code, and also explained briefly in some of the reference works on Debian. |
| 19:20.20 | dondelelcaro | Pego: so mkdir -p foo/bar/baz/bleh |
| 19:20.21 | Qiang | dondelelcaro, is it handled by the postinstall script ? i found something in dpkg about that. assume apt-get is similar ? |
| 19:20.24 | dondelelcaro | SpComb: just ask your question. |
| 19:20.29 | SpComb | trying to install libapache2-mod-php5 gives a critical error about PHP not being comiled to be threadsafe |
| 19:20.41 | SpComb | I did, although I wasn't very specifc about the error |
| 19:21.06 | Covener | SpComb: install a non threaded apache2 mom (prefork) |
| 19:21.18 | Covener | SpComb: Or trust that the libraries you use happen to be threadsafe |
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| 19:21.30 | SpComb | apache doesn't want to trust it |
| 19:21.46 | SpComb | is there a way to get a threadsafe version of PHP instaed of replaceing apache? |
| 19:21.49 | Covener | SpComb: no, the package maintainers have conspired not to trust it. |
| 19:21.59 | valdyn | SpComb: or run threadsafe php applications |
| 19:22.00 | Covener | SpComb: No way to do that, it's the native libraries that are the problem |
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| 19:22.11 | SpComb | mkay, so I have to replace apache |
| 19:22.25 | dondelelcaro | it's not the native libraries, it's the fact that PHP itself isn't threadsafe. |
| 19:22.28 | Covener | SpComb: Or use a different mpm -- you probably have worker which is threaded |
| 19:22.38 | SpComb | I took apache2 package |
| 19:22.42 | dondelelcaro | (or shall we say, not *just* the native libraries) |
| 19:22.45 | Covener | dondelelcaro: I follow apache httpd pretty closely -- it's the libs that php linsk to not php itself |
| 19:22.48 | SpComb | not too sure about MPM and prefork :) |
| 19:22.56 | xam | mhh, Sun will opensource their new SPARC T1 (Niagra) processor (design) in Q1/2006. |
| 19:23.28 | SpComb | apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
| 19:23.31 | dondelelcaro | SpComb: yes. |
| 19:23.34 | SpComb | oke |
| 19:23.42 | Pego | dondelelcaro: not exactlywht i need:/ |
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| 19:24.05 | dondelelcaro | Pego: try explaining exactly what you need... |
| 19:25.15 | SpComb | this stuff is so much for fliud the third time around |
| 19:25.35 | blondie | who the hell is this "prophile" person? |
| 19:25.48 | SpComb | a idiot, it seems blondie |
| 19:25.52 | SpComb | did he DDC chat you? |
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| 19:26.02 | blondie | he tried |
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| 19:26.14 | blondie | three seperate times |
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| 19:27.25 | st | the md5-passwords use a salt also? |
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| 19:28.01 | Servo888 | Ok so here's my situation... I've sshed into my remote network, and from the remote machine I can print (lpr somefile). Is there a way to setup the printer on the user machine (not the remote one) and have it print to the remote machine? |
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| 19:28.20 | dondelelcaro | whoever that is isn't on this channel. |
| 19:28.24 | honschu | Hi, is there another good app like "gpa" (gnupg) for kde? |
| 19:28.30 | valdyn | Servo888: yes |
| 19:28.36 | honschu | I want to sign emails in kmail |
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| 19:28.42 | blondie | Servo888: tunnel port 631 |
| 19:28.46 | blondie | I think |
| 19:28.53 | dondelelcaro | honschu: kmail should have bindings for gnupg |
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| 19:29.10 | quitte | honschu: kgpg |
| 19:29.12 | honschu | dondelecaro: I do not have a key yet |
| 19:29.15 | honschu | quitte: thx |
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| 19:29.41 | sven_ | is it possible to compile a kernel on a debian unstable ? |
| 19:29.48 | bleaked | someone in here mentioned to me that it's more ideal to install with aptitude than apt-get..is this true, and why/not? |
| 19:29.58 | dondelelcaro | gpg --gen-key... |
| 19:29.59 | bleaked | sven_.. of course |
| 19:30.00 | Covener | Servo888: have you looked into letting cups share it over the lan, then pointing your other cups install at it? |
| 19:30.03 | dondelelcaro | bleaked: yes. |
| 19:30.04 | eleftherios | Hello, I run Debian Etch on a Compaq Deskpro machine. It is a small form factor machine which also has a tiny speaker built-in. Sound has been working fine by default but then under the impression that I could improve sound quality I installed alsaconf and ran it. The soundcard that gets detected is an Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 02). Choosing that the configuration continues and at the end of the script I get: |
| 19:30.11 | sven_ | with gcc 4.0 ? |
| 19:30.19 | dondelelcaro | sven_: if it's a new kernel, yes. |
| 19:30.26 | eleftherios | "/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found..." and the message that ALSA is ready to use. I up the levels on the Gnome mixer and I try playing back some audio files but I get no sound output. Running alsamixer on the command line gives me: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device". Any pointers please? |
| 19:30.26 | sven_ | okay yes it is |
| 19:30.30 | sven_ | thank you |
| 19:30.32 | dondelelcaro | sven_: if it's an older one, you'll need to use gcc 4.0 and probably an older binutils. |
| 19:30.37 | dondelelcaro | s/4.0/3.4/ |
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| 19:30.42 | sven_ | well |
| 19:30.57 | bleaked | dondelelcaro.. why is it better? |
| 19:30.58 | sven_ | thats a 2.6.14 kernel version i think it will ok like that :) |
| 19:31.02 | valdyn | eleftherios: installing alsaconf does not automagically remove the OSS drivers you might have been using |
| 19:31.11 | dondelelcaro | bleaked: there are many reasons, not the least of which being the ability to track which packages have been specifically installed, and which have come along for the ride. |
| 19:31.32 | eleftherios | valdyn, could that be the case? If yes, how can I find out which drivers these are and remove them? |
| 19:31.37 | quitte | eleftherios: i guess you now have two sound drivers loaded. make sure only sound drivers that begin with snd_ are loaded |
| 19:31.57 | dondelelcaro | bleaked: the other benifits include actually being able to choose how problems are resolved, and seeing all the possible versions that can be installed at a single time. It's basically a drop in replacement for apt-get at the most basic level, but has a lot more advanced commands in the curses interface if you want to use them. |
| 19:32.11 | valdyn | eleftherios: intel_8x0? Im not sure |
| 19:32.16 | valdyn | eleftherios: intel8x0? Im not sure |
| 19:32.21 | bleaked | dondelelcaro.. so i should do it from the ncurses or bash? |
| 19:32.25 | dondelelcaro | bleaked: yes. |
| 19:32.31 | bleaked | yes what? |
| 19:32.35 | dondelelcaro | bleaked: yes. |
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| 19:33.31 | Roey | hi |
| 19:33.33 | Roey | hi all, again. |
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| 19:33.59 | valdyn | !find i8x0.ko |
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| 19:34.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'i8x0.ko' returned no results. |
| 19:34.23 | eleftherios | quitte, do you know how I can get rid of the OSS drivers? (or at least revert back to them so I can have sound working)? |
| 19:34.25 | valdyn | !find intel8x0.ko |
| 19:34.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'intel8x0.ko' (3 of 5): (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-686. |
| 19:34.41 | Roey | I'm trying to install Etch to a Dell Poweredge 1850 but the installer can't find the disks. How can I solve this? |
| 19:34.50 | abrotman | but something other than dell! |
| 19:34.55 | Roey | abrotman: ;) |
| 19:34.59 | Roey | abrotman: we're a dell-only shop. |
| 19:35.02 | Roey | we buy from dlel. |
| 19:35.05 | valdyn | eleftherios: im sure you can find it looking in /lib/modules/ |
| 19:35.08 | Roey | dell has good service (overnight) |
| 19:35.10 | edrin | i need something like a pdf manager software to manage all my pdf files, have the possibility to add notes to a pdf file and to do a search in all my pdf files for special notes, any idea? |
| 19:35.10 | dondelelcaro | Roey: I feel sorry for you. |
| 19:35.14 | abrotman | Roey: i'm sorry to hear that .. your managers are idiots :) |
| 19:35.26 | Roey | whatever. |
| 19:35.28 | dondelelcaro | Roey: in any case, the new etch d-i should be able to boot, and you can use that to debootstrap the machines. |
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| 19:35.30 | blondie | dell is ok |
| 19:35.31 | quitte | eleftherios: sorry, no. i have no idea why oss gets loaded here,too. tell me if you find out |
| 19:35.34 | abrotman | Roey: hey .. you're seeing exactly why Dell is bad |
| 19:35.37 | Roey | dondelelcaro: d-i? |
| 19:35.40 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 19:35.40 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:36.04 | Roey | dondelelcaro: I have a netinst of Etch with the beta installer; it's dated 20051129. It can't find the disks (they're behind a PERCraid controller) |
| 19:36.09 | valdyn | quitte: it gets loaded if you dont install alsa or set alsa to be the sound system of choice ( etch / sid ) |
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| 19:36.26 | dondelelcaro | Roey: so load the perc module. |
| 19:36.32 | Roey | dondelelcaro: wha'ts it called? |
| 19:36.37 | Roey | dondelelcaro: I thought megaraid_box and megaraid_mm. |
| 19:36.46 | quitte | valdyn: alsa gets loaded,too. and i didnt do any special sound config at all |
| 19:36.47 | abrotman | those are for older PERC cards iirc .. try aacraid |
| 19:36.48 | Roey | dondelelcaro: at least, that's what Kanotix loads when I try booting to a Kanotix CD. |
| 19:36.56 | Roey | abrotman: I tried. Lemme try again. |
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| 19:37.06 | abrotman | Roey: linux.dell.com |
| 19:37.06 | com-0 | i'm running vncserver on my linux box, but when i try to connect it from my win2k i only see black dotted window... i can not do anything inside this window? also trying as an example : mozilla -display host-ip:2 & |
| 19:37.06 | com-0 | did not work! can sombody help me? |
| 19:37.13 | eleftherios | valdyn, is that at system installation time? Because I have alsa installed but didn't explicitly choose it at install time |
| 19:37.19 | coax | does anyone know if it's possible to resize the windows of a program from a console?! |
| 19:37.20 | valdyn | quitte: yea, but isnt the point that you dont want OSS drivers to be loaded |
| 19:37.24 | Kerr | err,is letting wine do this on my sarge box a bad idea? gcc-3.4-base libstdc++6 wine |
| 19:37.33 | Kerr | err install^ |
| 19:37.42 | De_Mon | ??stable |
| 19:37.42 | valdyn | quitte: 'apt-get install alsa' <- that blacklists oss modules ( on sarge, not on etch/sid ) |
| 19:37.46 | jelly | Are those aacraid thingies bootable from raid? |
| 19:37.58 | eleftherios | valdyn, ah that explains it |
| 19:38.02 | jelly | That's mostly-soft raid, innit? |
| 19:38.11 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: if you're actually using stable, it's not a big deal. |
| 19:38.13 | eleftherios | valdyn, now I have to find out how to unload them |
| 19:38.22 | valdyn | eleftherios: not completely, i have no idea how this is dealt with if yo dont reboot |
| 19:38.24 | Kerr | com-0: what wm doyou use? |
| 19:38.33 | valdyn | eleftherios: uh, modprobe -r |
| 19:38.54 | quitte | valdyn: im running etch |
| 19:39.01 | eleftherios | valdyn, that gives me no output |
| 19:39.05 | Roey | abrotman: dell only supports red fuck |
| 19:39.10 | eleftherios | I am running etch too |
| 19:39.27 | valdyn | quitte: apt-get install linux-sound-base and/or dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 19:39.31 | abrotman | Roey: which PE ? |
| 19:39.39 | com-0 | gnome on debian box |
| 19:39.46 | valdyn | eleftherios: modprobe -r <yourossdriver> |
| 19:39.54 | Roey | dondelelcaro, abrotman: anyway, I had aacraid loaded. So I went to the next screen in the installer, where you carve up the disk into partitions and LVM groups. But it didn't list any disk to configure. |
| 19:39.56 | Kerr | com-0: i got that; had to make a file in my hoem dir called .xsession, with the comamnd to start my chosen window manager inside it. in my case, icewm. |
| 19:39.56 | Roey | abrotman: PE? |
| 19:40.01 | quitte | valdyn: linux-sound-base wasnt even installed |
| 19:40.04 | abrotman | poweredge |
| 19:40.22 | abrotman | Roey: do you know which controller even ? |
| 19:40.27 | dondelelcaro | Roey: check the dmesg output on console 3 or 4 and make sure that the drive came up properly. |
| 19:40.32 | Roey | abrotman: like I said, the raid controller is a PERC4 raid. |
| 19:40.37 | Roey | dondelelcaro: alright. |
| 19:40.44 | dondelelcaro | Roey: the output of lspci will also be useful. |
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| 19:40.49 | quitte | valdyn: ill see after the reboot if it works - and if it doesnt ill just rm the oss sound module |
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| 19:41.36 | eleftherios | quitte, have we got the same problem? |
| 19:41.49 | quitte | eleftherios: maybe |
| 19:42.10 | abrotman | Roey: PERC or CERC ? |
| 19:42.15 | valdyn | eleftherios: you dont even know yet if you have oss driver(s) loaded |
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| 19:42.26 | quitte | eleftherios: i usually unload all sound modules and then reload alsa manually if i want to use sound. with uptimes of about a week it didnt hurt much |
| 19:42.44 | Roey | er |
| 19:42.45 | Roey | abrotman: perc. |
| 19:43.04 | abrotman | roey and i dont see anywhere that they only support RH |
| 19:43.12 | eleftherios | valdyn, lsmod and grepping for audio doesn't give me any results so I may not |
| 19:43.15 | Azar | good day honorables, where could I go to check my system activity logs? besides /var/log/auth.log I have no idea where, there are scheduled messages sent somewhere but I have no idea where |
| 19:43.17 | Roey | abrotman: dell? they only really officially support RH and Suse. |
| 19:43.17 | com-0 | still , nothing is displayed??? |
| 19:43.17 | karsten_ | question: what todo, when this happens under debian/testing: |
| 19:43.19 | karsten_ | # base-config |
| 19:43.19 | karsten_ | Terminated |
| 19:43.22 | Roey | ah |
| 19:43.23 | Roey | terminated |
| 19:43.25 | Roey | such a lovely word. |
| 19:43.34 | valdyn | eleftherios: do you know any oss module that has audio in its name? |
| 19:43.40 | karsten_ | I excec base-config and this is the only result... |
| 19:43.56 | abrotman | Roey: did you look at the URL from linux.dell.com ? |
| 19:43.58 | eleftherios | valdyn, I have run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and chose ALSA |
| 19:44.00 | jelly | Roey: my PE 1800 has megaraid_mm and megaraid_mbox loaded, but I suspect that's not much help since you have already tried that. |
| 19:44.05 | eleftherios | valdyn, yes, via82cxxx_audio is an example |
| 19:44.06 | valdyn | eleftherios: though there's one iirc that isnt your intel driver ) |
| 19:44.07 | peterS | valdyn: via82cxxx_audio, i810_audio |
| 19:44.13 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: add a set -x to it, and see where it's failing. |
| 19:44.14 | valdyn | eleftherios: right |
| 19:44.19 | eleftherios | valdyn, :-) |
| 19:44.24 | valdyn | eleftherios: ok |
| 19:44.30 | abrotman | Roey: it's a PERC4/SC or DC or QC ? |
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| 19:44.44 | dondelelcaro | or Di? |
| 19:44.45 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: + base-config |
| 19:45.00 | Azar | abrotman, where could fail2ban send activity messages? I am looking everywhere I cannot find the location |
| 19:45.24 | eleftherios | let's see what happens with a reboot :( |
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| 19:45.29 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: base-config is a shells cript that runs many things; add a set -x to see exactly where it's failing. |
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| 19:45.44 | abrotman | Azar: never used it |
| 19:45.48 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it just logs them to /var/log/fail2ban.log |
| 19:45.49 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: ah, into the shell-script? |
| 19:45.52 | megatronx | anyone know how to get the mouse wheel working under debian? for some odd reason mine is not functioning well... |
| 19:45.53 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: yes. |
| 19:46.01 | valdyn | !drxx megatronx |
| 19:46.01 | dpkg | megatronx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:46.03 | dondelelcaro | Azar: if you want it to do something else, change it's configuration file. |
| 19:46.07 | abrotman | Roey: which is it ? |
| 19:46.12 | Azar | thank you dondelecaro |
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| 19:46.30 | hever | Hello, how could I stop a module? I want to remove ipv6 support with modconf. But I can't do this, because ipv6 is still in use... |
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| 19:46.38 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: exec script -c /usr/sbin/base-config -q -a /var/log/base-config.log -t |
| 19:46.40 | peterS | hever: you can't remove ipv6, it's a special case |
| 19:46.45 | jelly | hever: you can't rmmod ipv6. |
| 19:47.01 | peterS | hever: most modules you can remove with 'rmmod' or 'modprobe -r', but ipv6 is specifically prevented from ever being removed. you'll have to reboot. |
| 19:47.15 | hever | Uhm... but I think it makes my internet connection esp. my browser very slow... |
| 19:47.40 | valdyn | hever: why would that be the case? |
| 19:48.03 | karsten_ | hever: thats probably, because your linux kernel tries to reach ipv6 addresses, even if you don't have a ipv6 access to the internet. switch ipv6 off in your browser |
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| 19:48.09 | jelly | hever: I have uncommented this in my /etc/modutils/aliases: alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6 |
| 19:48.12 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: and that just fails straight away? |
| 19:48.15 | peterS | hever: well, best you can do: change the ipv6 line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases to 'alias net-pf-10 off' or something. then reboot. (that's assuming a 2.6 kernel, for a 2.4 kernel the file is /etc/modutils/aliases or something) |
| 19:48.27 | jelly | hever: and then reboot. |
| 19:48.37 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: how do you mean? every time the same error? |
| 19:48.37 | abrotman | Roey: ? |
| 19:48.41 | hever | My Problem is that my browser needs very long to resolve an address... But when it is resolved I can browse normaly. |
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| 19:48.55 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.04 | hever | thanks for your help... I think its ipv6 because under WinXP it was also IPv6 |
| 19:49.16 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: basically, yes. I want to know why it's failing, and/or if it actually starts running base-config inside of script. |
| 19:49.29 | jelly | hever: yes, the resolver sees you have ipv6 and tries to look up ipv6 records. Take a look with eg. tcpdump. |
| 19:49.37 | peterS | valdyn: DNS queries, like he's saying, will attempt to use ipv6 if it appears to be available. it is possible that they could send packets and wait awhile for them to time out before trying on ipv4 |
| 19:49.46 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: that, I don't know. after exec [..] it gets terminated |
| 19:50.09 | megatronx | thanks |
| 19:51.43 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: try BASE_CONFIG_IN_SCRIPT=1 strace -o temp script -c /usr/sbin/base-config -q -a /var/log/base-config.log -t 2>>/var/log/base-config.timings |
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| 19:53.48 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: ah.. I see.. openpty failed probably there is an device file missing |
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| 19:54.57 | Roey | abrotman: back |
| 19:54.58 | jelly | !blaireau |
| 19:55.11 | Roey | abrotman: it's a PERC 4e/Si Standard. |
| 19:55.11 | abrotman | Roey: i thought delaware had invaded! |
| 19:55.21 | Roey | ;) |
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| 19:55.23 | ViViD | does debian support cpu affinity? |
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| 19:55.31 | hever | peterS: I uncommented the ipv6 line alias net-pf-10 off and restartet but that take no effect ;( |
| 19:55.36 | abrotman | Roey: all i see is 4e/Di |
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| 19:55.43 | abrotman | PowerEdge 2800, PowerEdge 2850, PowerEdge 1850 - PERC4e/Di - dual channel, U320 SCSI, PCI Express, with battery-backed cache. Requires megaraid2 driver |
| 19:55.43 | valdyn | ViViD: does linux? |
| 19:55.47 | abrotman | Roey: ^^ |
| 19:55.54 | jelly | hever: have you done update-modules before rebooting? |
| 19:55.57 | loopdee | is transcode included in a deb repository? |
| 19:55.58 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: now it is the question, which is missing... I copied the pty* from /dev of my rescue-system |
| 19:55.58 | ViViD | valdyn, thats pretty much what im asking |
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| 19:56.12 | peterS | hever: if you use a 2.4 kernel you must change the line in /etc/modutils/aliases, if you use a 2.6 kernel you must use a line in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 19:56.13 | hever | there are also ipv6 entrys in my /etc/hosts file... should i comment them out ? |
| 19:56.25 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: you didn't have /dev/pty mounted, or /dev/console or something. |
| 19:56.28 | peterS | hever: the ipv6 entries in /etc/hosts will not cause module loading |
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| 19:56.38 | Roey | abrotman: whzat do you mean, all you see? see where? |
| 19:56.40 | peterS | at least, I don't think they will |
| 19:56.44 | Roey | abrotman: oh |
| 19:56.50 | Roey | abrotman: requires megaraid2 driver. |
| 19:56.50 | Roey | hmm. |
| 19:56.51 | abrotman | Roey: i'm gonna drive down there and fix your eyes! |
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| 19:56.56 | Roey | :) |
| 19:56.59 | bwlang | is there some tricky way to just reboot once with a test kernel? |
| 19:56.59 | hever | ohh i have a 2.6 one... and i did not update-modules, sorry I do that now... |
| 19:57.09 | abrotman | Roey: are you trying sarge or etch now ? |
| 19:57.12 | bwlang | using grub... |
| 19:57.15 | Roey | etch. |
| 19:57.19 | Roey | abrotman: I did it with Sarge actualy |
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| 19:57.25 | Roey | abrotman: I did manage to install it with Sarge. |
| 19:57.29 | peterS | hever: with 2.6 it is actually not necessary to update-modules, but you *do* need to edit the file in /etc/modprobe.d, not the one in /etc/modutils |
| 19:57.34 | hever | :) |
| 19:57.37 | Roey | abrotman: but when I rebooted, it gave this kernel panic baout not being able to load /dev/console |
| 19:57.38 | valdyn | ViViD: yea it does |
| 19:57.44 | Roey | abrotman: (That's with sarge) |
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| 19:58.36 | stew | bwlang: man grub-reboot |
| 19:58.58 | dondelelcaro | Roey: so boot off of the sarge disks, mount /; cd /dev; MAKEDEV generic console; |
| 19:59.00 | ViViD | valdyn, do you know what kernel versions it begins with? |
| 19:59.04 | abrotman | !find megaraid2.o sarge |
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| 19:59.16 | valdyn | ViViD: apt-cache show schedutils |
| 19:59.21 | dondelelcaro | yeay for the 2.4 kernel. |
| 19:59.27 | Roey | dondelelcaro: the sarge disks? which ones?? |
| 19:59.28 | abrotman | Roey: it's possible they merged megaraid and megaraid2 for 2.6.x kernels |
| 19:59.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: they may have merged drivers .. megaraid2.ko doesn't exist |
| 19:59.48 | dondelelcaro | Roey: however you installed sarge the first time. |
| 19:59.52 | Roey | abrotman: oh that's the thing--the sarge I installed went straight to the 2.4.x kernel without asking me |
| 20:00.04 | abrotman | Roey: but did you try megaraid2 ? |
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| 20:00.10 | peterS | hever: so, modprobe will normally be asked to load net-pf-10, and it will translate this to "ipv6" unless you change that in one of the config files in /etc/modprobe.d/. that is what's happening. |
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| 20:00.13 | valdyn | ViViD: 2.5.8-pre3 appearantly was the first kernel to support this, but i have _never_ used it, just reading an article by robert love |
| 20:00.20 | Roey | abrotman: where? |
| 20:00.32 | abrotman | anywhere ? :) |
| 20:00.34 | Roey | abrotman: megaraid2 where? on the etch netinst CD? there isn't |
| 20:00.44 | abrotman | on the sarge with a 2.4 kernel |
| 20:00.48 | Roey | abrotman: I can't boot from disk (after I have installed Sarge) |
| 20:00.52 | Roey | abrotman: I can't boot it... |
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| 20:00.59 | Roey | abrotman: I can boot into Kanotix and then chroot into it, sure. |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | Linus/AKPM's 2.6.0-test contains megaraid 2.00.3, but patches exist to bring this up to 2.00.9a. |
| 20:01.07 | ViViD | valdyn, so its safe to say taht the 2.6.8 SMP kernel with sarge would support it? |
| 20:01.11 | Roey | abrotman: but I don't know how I'd fix anything from there on. |
| 20:01.12 | peritus | what option do i put in fstab to make another user than root own the files on a mounted ntfs partition? |
| 20:01.40 | hever | peterS: WHOW, thank you very much ;) Its working for me, I'm now fast in the internet. |
| 20:01.50 | peterS | hever: good to know |
| 20:01.54 | PerfDave | peritus: There are several options; "man mount" will go over them. |
| 20:02.16 | hever | And I've got another question, where should I download kde3 for debian sarge ? |
| 20:02.38 | hever | with apt |
| 20:02.53 | PerfDave | hever: You just answered your own question ;) |
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| 20:03.21 | hever | yes ok. But I mean from which source... because sarge doesn't support kde3 |
| 20:03.23 | peterS | yeah, sarge includes KDE 3, specifically KDE 3.3.2 |
| 20:03.29 | hever | uhm |
| 20:03.41 | hever | then I've to look thanks |
| 20:03.44 | valdyn | ViViD: yea |
| 20:03.47 | hever | bye |
| 20:03.49 | peterS | hever: the package name is 'kde' |
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| 20:03.54 | Kerr | ergh, i have mic capture on max, but things can't hear what i say; any ideas? |
| 20:04.04 | PerfDave | kde, or kdebase, or kde-core, depending on how much of kde you want ;) |
| 20:04.04 | hever | ohh it was kde3 some times ago ? |
| 20:04.06 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: mounted? |
| 20:04.17 | peterS | hever: possibly, I don't know, but it's what PerfDave says, now |
| 20:04.27 | hever | yes ok thanks bye |
| 20:04.34 | Roey | dondelelcaro, abrotman: so what I'm asking is, what should I do after I boot up a Kanotix CD? |
| 20:04.47 | Roey | dondelelcaro, abrotman: in trying to figure out with this thing won't boot. |
| 20:04.50 | PerfDave | Or you can just select the "Desktop Environment" task at install and get all of KDE (and Gnome) |
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| 20:05.08 | valdyn | Kerr: you are thinking you would hear yourself simply by capturing? |
| 20:05.22 | abrotman | Roey: so you're saying that when you boot the sarge installer .. it all installs fine ? .. but then you reboot and it dies ? |
| 20:05.23 | valdyn | Kerr: what _exactly_ are you doing there? |
| 20:05.27 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: whether it exists in /dev/ or what? I'am wondering that this error occours... |
| 20:05.54 | Kerr | valdyn: trying to hold a skype conversation. worked fine 'tll my etch install desintegrated. (now using sarge) |
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| 20:06.43 | valdyn | Kerr: just try 'cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp', see if you can hear yourself talking into the mic |
| 20:06.55 | peterS | Kerr: alsa lets you mute individual channels, maybe you have the mic muted? |
| 20:07.26 | Roey | abrotman: yes. |
| 20:07.28 | Roey | abrotman: well no |
| 20:07.32 | Qoco | can someone please help me with playback of encrypted dvds? libdvdcss is already installed, but totem won't play encrypted dvds. vlc plays them, but i get a very fragmented audio and video output.. |
| 20:07.56 | peterS | Qoco: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine? totem-xine works fine for me |
| 20:07.56 | Roey | abrotman: I compiled a new kernel and added that to lilo.conf (I used make-kpkg) and then I ran lilo (just to be sure) and THEN I rebooted. |
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| 20:08.02 | numist | !tell me about u |
| 20:08.07 | Roey | abrotman: (and then it panicked) |
| 20:08.08 | valdyn | Qoco: using marillats dvdcss? |
| 20:08.21 | abrotman | Roey: ok .. so it worked .. you compiled a kernel .. then it died ? |
| 20:08.26 | Roey | yes. |
| 20:08.30 | abrotman | Roey: why did you do that ? |
| 20:08.38 | Roey | I didn't--note, I didn't--remove the old kernel |
| 20:08.47 | Roey | abrotman: because I want kernel 2.6 |
| 20:08.51 | Qoco | valdyn: yes |
| 20:08.59 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: yes, if you don't have a /dev/pty it'll fail, often as not. |
| 20:09.00 | Roey | abrotman: and for that matter, I want LVM, and LVM is buggy for kernels under 2.6.14. |
| 20:09.21 | EmleyMoor | Roey: Can you see why your new kernel panics? |
| 20:09.25 | karsten_ | dondelelcaro: both, console and pty exists... |
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| 20:09.32 | Roey | EmleyMoor: it can't open /dev/console. |
| 20:09.34 | dondelelcaro | karsten_: then it should be working |
| 20:09.39 | valdyn | lvm is buggy under 2.6.14? |
| 20:09.43 | abrotman | Roey: ok .. so you need to find out if the megaraid.ko in 2.6.8 should support your card |
| 20:09.45 | Roey | valdyn: so I heard. |
| 20:09.46 | dondelelcaro | Roey: so cd /dev; MAKEDEV standard console; |
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| 20:09.57 | Qoco | peterS: i use totem-xine |
| 20:09.59 | dondelelcaro | s/standard/generic/ |
| 20:10.02 | Roey | dondelelcaro: when should I do that? the thing doesn't give me any prompt. |
| 20:10.05 | valdyn | Roey: i'd doubt that |
| 20:10.07 | Roey | dondelelcaro: past the LILO prompt. |
| 20:10.19 | peterS | Qoco: well, it worked fine for me with the libdvdcss2 I found somewhere, last I tried it |
| 20:10.20 | EmleyMoor | Which distribution are you using? |
| 20:10.20 | Roey | valdyn: I want LVM because then I could take snapshots. |
| 20:10.22 | dondelelcaro | Roey: boot off of something that will give you a prompt (or a kernel that will) and use MAKEDEV to make the console device. |
| 20:10.32 | Roey | dondelelcaro: oh, ok. |
| 20:10.33 | EmleyMoor | (stable?) |
| 20:10.50 | Roey | dondelelcaro: actually, I think it's not able to open /dev/console because it didn't load the correct disk driver. |
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| 20:10.54 | Roey | EmleyMoor: etch actually. |
| 20:11.03 | Roey | EmleyMoor: I installed Sarge, then upgraded to Etch. |
| 20:11.07 | EmleyMoor | Boot the old kernel, install a 2.6 from the standard packages, then use its config to get you started on configuring the new one |
| 20:11.19 | eleftherios | damn, not even X starts now. I get: AGP GART support is not available. Make sure your kernel has agpgart support or the module is loaded. All that after 1 year of using the machine without problems. My kernel is 2.6.12, on Etch |
| 20:11.23 | Roey | EmleyMoor: I can't boot the old kernel. |
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| 20:11.33 | EmleyMoor | Roey: Can't boot the old kernel? Why not? |
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| 20:11.35 | dondelelcaro | Roey: it's possible; in that case, you didn't compile in the proper drivers for your custom kernel. In any case, boot off of something that will boot, and fix your kernel. |
| 20:11.39 | Roey | EmleyMoor: can't open /dev/console. |
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| 20:11.46 | Roey | dondelelcaro: hmm, ok. |
| 20:11.49 | EmleyMoor | Roey: I thought that was the new kernel? |
| 20:11.49 | odla | tarzeau: hi |
| 20:11.50 | peterS | eleftherios: what kernel did you use before now? if it was a 2.4 kernel before, that would explain the agpgart thing |
| 20:11.54 | Bufferfly | WTF is Etch thats the ssecond time today i heard that |
| 20:12.01 | odla | Bufferfly: testing |
| 20:12.08 | honschu | How to use gpg in kmail because in sarge there is not gpg-agent |
| 20:12.08 | dondelelcaro | !tell Bufferfly -about etch |
| 20:12.10 | Roey | Bufferfly: the first third of "a-sketch" |
| 20:12.12 | eleftherios | peterS, no I have been using this kernel for some time now |
| 20:12.18 | peterS | Bufferfly: etch is debian testing, which will become debian 3.2 or 4.0 |
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| 20:12.23 | Bufferfly | ahh |
| 20:12.33 | Roey | peterS: how do you guys decide on revision numbers?? |
| 20:12.33 | Bufferfly | well its testing and people are moaning they have problems? |
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| 20:12.40 | Roey | peterS: s/revision/version |
| 20:12.50 | abrotman | does anyone know a place that lists sites that have RSS feeds ? |
| 20:12.51 | EmleyMoor | Roey: Good question... I never understood the jump to 3.0 |
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| 20:12.55 | odla | Bufferfly: exactly...i agree hold heartily with you |
| 20:12.55 | Roey | EmleyMoor: :) |
| 20:12.56 | peterS | Roey: the release managers get to decide what the next release will be |
| 20:13.00 | Kerr | valdyn: can't. |
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| 20:13.02 | odla | s hold/whole |
| 20:13.05 | Roey | peterS: I know that htere's a new grpahical installer int he works. |
| 20:13.06 | peterS | Roey: it's one of the few privileges they have that is not drudge work |
| 20:13.11 | odla | heartedly |
| 20:13.11 | valdyn | Kerr: cant what? |
| 20:13.12 | Roey | heh |
| 20:13.17 | abrotman | Roey: they roll a 1d4 ? |
| 20:13.17 | Roey | peterS: and what comes after Etch?? |
| 20:13.18 | Bufferfly | ok i just wanted that straight in my hed thats all |
| 20:13.19 | Kerr | valdyn: can hear fine if i turn up the mic playback vol. |
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| 20:13.23 | abrotman | Roey: we don't know yet |
| 20:13.25 | Roey | abrotman: ;) |
| 20:13.33 | odla | Roey: dapper drake |
| 20:13.34 | odla | ha ha ah |
| 20:13.39 | dondelelcaro | honschu: it's gnupg-agent |
| 20:13.42 | Kerr | valdyn: loopdee can't hear myself talking into the mic with cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp |
| 20:13.43 | EmleyMoor | buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch... no further names decided, except sid which will always be unstable |
| 20:13.45 | peterS | EmleyMoor: AJ Towns posted about 3.0, he said he thought the number was justified - "and by that I mean the 3, not the .0" |
| 20:13.49 | Qoco | here's totems terminal output (maybe some helpful infos?): http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zKkot466.html |
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| 20:14.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell odla -about away |
| 20:14.12 | valdyn | Kerr: maybe its dsp1 for you, i cant know that |
| 20:14.13 | Kerr | i muted mic playback though, as even on 0 volume i could hear it wih mic capture muted and playback unmuted. |
| 20:14.14 | bobgray | i just installed linux-image-2.6.14 and udev, hotplug removed. |
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| 20:14.21 | bobgray | alsa isn't working anymore |
| 20:14.22 | Roey | I propose moving to Star Trek names. Because if Xen is integrated into Debian at that time, you could get by with calling it "Dax" |
| 20:14.27 | Roey | eh |
| 20:14.28 | Roey | sigh |
| 20:14.33 | bobgray | the devices dont seem to be being created |
| 20:14.33 | Roey | lemme get back to fixing this ol' kernel. |
| 20:14.38 | honschu | dondelecaro: yeah, you are right |
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| 20:14.45 | eleftherios | how can I add AGP support to my kernel? |
| 20:14.57 | eleftherios | 2.6.12 on Etch |
| 20:14.58 | odla | dondelelcaro: thanks...i wasn't aware of that |
| 20:15.03 | Kerr | valdyn: I only have one soundcard |
| 20:15.05 | Bufferfly | recompile and the put a * in the box that says agp support |
| 20:15.19 | peterS | Roey: the problem is, star trek names are *so* cliche in the geek world. toy story names are something nobody but debian seems to do |
| 20:15.20 | EmleyMoor | ... and the appropriate related boxes for your card |
| 20:15.35 | Bufferfly | which ud hope were already there |
| 20:15.41 | Bufferfly | dum dum dum |
| 20:16.03 | Bufferfly | do conversation ever happen in the channel or is it ALL help related? |
| 20:16.12 | peterS | Bufferfly: both |
| 20:16.19 | Bufferfly | ok |
| 20:16.40 | Bufferfly | but more often than not its "help" or "advise" right? |
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| 20:16.51 | valdyn | Kerr: if that command doesnt work then skype naturally cant work, but since it doesnt seem to give you an error, its just some volume setting i guess |
| 20:16.53 | PerfDave | Bufferfly: Usually it's just telling people to RTFM ;) |
| 20:17.00 | Bufferfly | lol |
| 20:17.02 | Azar | how do I find what version of firefox I use? |
| 20:17.06 | peterS | Bufferfly: the purpose of the channel isn't social chat, but tech support. however, when you get enough regulars who've been around long enough, social chat does happen |
| 20:17.07 | Bufferfly | azar RTFM |
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| 20:17.12 | PerfDave | Azar: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox |
| 20:17.19 | Azar | thank you PerfDave |
| 20:17.27 | Bufferfly | ;) |
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| 20:17.39 | m1ll3` | plz help me - i can't remember the name of that tool which allowed to specify dma, irq etc. for my isa-soundcard and modified config-files |
| 20:17.48 | m1ll3` | note alsaconf |
| 20:17.52 | Bufferfly | alsaconfig |
| 20:17.52 | m1ll3` | not |
| 20:17.55 | m1ll3` | no |
| 20:17.57 | Bufferfly | oops |
| 20:18.01 | Bufferfly | -ig |
| 20:18.02 | valdyn | m1ll3`: apt-cache show isapnptools |
| 20:18.06 | peterS | Bufferfly: I met my wife on #debian! Thanks, freenode! well, ok, not really |
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| 20:18.20 | valdyn | m1ll3`: oh, but that probably isnt what you want.. |
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| 20:18.26 | licued2 | heya |
| 20:18.26 | licued2 | http://pastebin.com/451355 |
| 20:18.29 | licued2 | what's wrong with that? |
| 20:18.30 | valdyn | m1ll3`: try 'modconf' |
| 20:18.31 | m1ll3` | valdyn: it was some ncurses-based tool |
| 20:18.31 | Bufferfly | peterS, good for you. :) |
| 20:18.46 | licued2 | my while statment dosen't seem to be working |
| 20:18.54 | m1ll3` | valdyn: which package is this part of? |
| 20:18.54 | licued2 | why dosen't that write any lines to my /etc/xurls.txt file? |
| 20:19.00 | valdyn | m1ll3`: modconf |
| 20:19.14 | sdakota | Hi, I'm using postfix and courier as MTA, and I'm using maildir to save all emails - how do I set quota over these maildirs? If possible, using MySQL, but that's not complétely required. |
| 20:19.29 | Kerr | valdyn: even with every volume bar in alsamxier maxed it doesn't work. |
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| 20:19.48 | valdyn | Kerr: you *might* have to switch somthing off |
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| 20:19.55 | m1ll3` | ah - don't know what alsaconf did hehe. but last time my card only worked with that tool |
| 20:20.18 | m1ll3` | oh yes, it was modconf |
| 20:20.23 | peterS | sdakota: the debian packages 'quota' and 'quotatool' (two different command line tools) should handle this case |
| 20:20.23 | m1ll3` | thank you so much valdyn |
| 20:20.38 | Kerr | i installed alsa and alsa-oss via apt, last time i installed alsa was a kernel module or something? could this be the critical difference? |
| 20:20.44 | valdyn | Kerr: its like that with my via82xx sound chip |
| 20:20.53 | sdakota | peterS: Okay, I'll try those, thanks :) |
| 20:20.53 | valdyn | Kerr: dont remember what it was, i had to 'mute' that anyway |
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| 20:21.15 | peterS | sdakota: note the quota databases are just kept on disk, not in a database. but I think that's the best you're gonna do |
| 20:21.21 | hid3 | licued2: maybe try this: http://pastebin.com/451370 not sure if it will solve, but worth to try |
| 20:21.24 | unixfool_ | can anyone suggest an IMAP server besides uw-imapd? (uw-imapd takes all the memory and cpu on the mail server) |
| 20:21.39 | Azar | since I cannot use X while in root, but I wish to update mozilla-firefox, and apt-get update mozilla-firefox does not work how would I do that? |
| 20:21.44 | peterS | sdakota: you could keep stuff in a DB but you'd have to script the glue to have it automatically extracted and run through a quota tool |
| 20:21.44 | sdakota | peterS: Ok - the only thing I really need is that those quota's are maintainable by any script (for example, PHP) |
| 20:21.47 | Kerr | valdyn: when i sintalled my testing install it was sarge. now wih sarge stable skype doesn't work? makes no sense :/ |
| 20:21.48 | EmleyMoor | courier is good, unixfool_ |
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| 20:21.56 | unixfool_ | EmleyMoor, will look into thanks! |
| 20:22.02 | sdakota | peterS: yea, I'll do that :) |
| 20:22.09 | Kerr | Azar: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 20:22.23 | Azar | thank you Kerr |
| 20:22.24 | valdyn | Kerr: nope, as i said, you have to mute something, like iec958 or whatever the hell it was |
| 20:23.10 | valdyn | Kerr: and just keep that 'cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp' running, skype does nothing else than just that |
| 20:23.25 | Azar | my mozilla-firefox version shows 1.0.4-2sarge5 and the new version 1.5 will not go through apt-get install ? |
| 20:23.41 | GNULinux | what is the BIOS key on the OLD laptops? it doesnt write it |
| 20:24.01 | EmleyMoor | 1.0.4-2sarge5 is really 1.0.6 or so. 1.5 will not come to sarge |
| 20:24.09 | PerfDave | Azar: You are running stable, it only gets security updates. |
| 20:24.09 | SpComb | now the harder questions, where in the fs heirarchy does all my music belong :p |
| 20:24.25 | valdyn | SpComb: ~/music ) |
| 20:24.26 | sdakota | GNULinux, depends - can be escape, F1, or any F-key, "enter", but most computers show it when pressing "tab" at start |
| 20:24.31 | PerfDave | SpComb: /srv/xmms ! |
| 20:24.32 | peterS | SpComb: probably in your home directory somewhere, but on my machine I created a /var/music |
| 20:24.38 | SpComb | var :/ |
| 20:25.01 | Azar | aw, so I am not able to upgrade firefox while in Sarge.. |
| 20:25.04 | SpComb | I wouldn't want to put it in my home directory |
| 20:25.14 | peterS | SpComb: or possibly under /srv would be appropriate, if you intend to serve it to client machines, like with icecast |
| 20:25.17 | GNULinux | sdakota: this one boots directly into lilo |
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| 20:25.20 | valdyn | Azar: no one said that |
| 20:25.25 | EmleyMoor | Azar: You'd have to find a backport, or maintain it locally - not for the faint-hearted |
| 20:25.28 | PerfDave | Azar: Not necessarily, just not from the Debian Sarge repositories. |
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| 20:25.34 | Azar | valdyn so I can get it with wget then? |
| 20:25.35 | andax | Azar: just download firefox 1.5 from getfirefox.com, unpack and run it. |
| 20:25.37 | eleftherios | ugh...how can I get a usb mouse to work in xorg? |
| 20:25.38 | SpComb | I just want a place to put it where I won't have to move them ever again |
| 20:25.42 | sdakota | GNULinux, it can't boot diréctly into lilo - press tab right after you start it |
| 20:25.45 | Azar | thank you guys :) |
| 20:25.45 | eleftherios | it does not get autodetected |
| 20:25.47 | SpComb | so a general one |
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| 20:25.59 | valdyn | Azar: whatever, dont use etch/sid package(s) though |
| 20:26.17 | Kerr | valdyn: muting everything from right to left makes no difference. |
| 20:26.25 | m1ll3` | valdyn: is there some website which shows sources.list servers for interesting, up-to-date packages? |
| 20:26.27 | Azar | valdyn no I will try to get it through links in root |
| 20:26.37 | peterS | m1ll3`: that'd be www.apt-get.org |
| 20:26.39 | Shadowcat | what's a good desktop publishing program for Linux? |
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| 20:26.50 | valdyn | m1ll3`: for sarge? |
| 20:26.52 | sdakota | peterS, Is there also a way to count 1. how much space is used now, 2. how much space total quota is, and 3. how much quota is left? |
| 20:26.56 | m1ll3` | valdyn: sid |
| 20:27.02 | peterS | m1ll3`: or dotdeb.org, I'm not sure which is considered better |
| 20:27.13 | valdyn | m1ll3`: debians sid repository is recent just be itself.. |
| 20:27.28 | Shadowcat | why are you running sid? |
| 20:27.30 | peterS | sdakota: the quota command line tool can report all of this. exactly how to set it up I'm not sure, because I haven't used quotas under linux before |
| 20:27.34 | Shadowcat | half the stuff in sid is broken at the moment |
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| 20:27.43 | m1ll3` | valdyn: just wondering why firefox shows 1.4.99 + 1.5rc3 |
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| 20:27.50 | bessel | how to change resolution/refresh rate at console please? |
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| 20:27.57 | bessel | display is normal on gnome. |
| 20:28.04 | sdakota | peterS, okay, thanks anyway :) |
| 20:28.06 | peterS | m1ll3`: so that the real 1.5, when released, will have a higher version number than 1.5rc3 |
| 20:28.12 | andax | bessel: man fbset |
| 20:28.14 | valdyn | m1ll3`: because the package's maintainer is working slower than you wish |
| 20:28.18 | bessel | thanks andax |
| 20:28.27 | peterS | m1ll3`: if you just sort version numbers lexicographically, 1.5rc3 appears to be newer than 1.5. which is not desired. |
| 20:28.44 | valdyn | m1ll3`: you can always use upstream, but debian package _do_ have their advantages |
| 20:28.46 | GNULinux | sdakota: ok esc worked for me...but there is only FDD->HDD boot mode, no CDROM boot mode |
| 20:28.52 | peterS | m1ll3`: so basically 1.49+1.5rc3 is intended to make the debian upgrade tools do the right thing when a real 1.5 comes out |
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| 20:29.09 | sdakota | GNULinux: lilo can boot into CD-roms too, I thought - not sure, try #lilo |
| 20:29.22 | bessel | andax: it does not work: /dev/fb0 does not exist |
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| 20:29.49 | sdakota | peterS: what does it do when the soft / hard limit is overflown? |
| 20:29.59 | peterS | sdakota: read and find out |
| 20:29.59 | m1ll3` | ok |
| 20:30.08 | sdakota | peterS: it's not on the quotatools web site |
| 20:30.10 | Parrebuff | a good video player? |
| 20:30.15 | peterS | sdakota: the kernel enforces the hard limit. I'm not sure what process happens when you exceed the soft limit |
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| 20:30.24 | sbk | Have an elementary question. Will adding more swap space reduce the odds of the oom-killer being triggered (everything else being equal, and there's no memory-leaking process going haywire?) |
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| 20:30.29 | Azar | how do I install a .tar.gz file ? |
| 20:30.31 | edrin | hi |
| 20:30.31 | peterS | sbk: yes |
| 20:30.39 | peterS | Azar: read the docs that come with the tar.gz file |
| 20:30.44 | edrin | is there a realvideo/audio player for debian? |
| 20:30.47 | m1ll3` | one more question: do i need alsa-oss? i don't have OSS in my kernel |
| 20:30.48 | sbk | peterS: *nod* ok, thanks |
| 20:31.06 | peterS | m1ll3`: some apps require it, some don't. so it depends on what apps you run |
| 20:31.08 | GNULinux | sdakota: its an older laptop, so it seems you can only boot from a CD |
| 20:31.11 | andax | if you exceed the soft limit nothing happens, except root gets a mail about the violation, and if you don't free up some space for a given time (it's called grace time) your soft limit becomes your hard limit |
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| 20:31.18 | GNULinux | sdakota: its an older laptop, so it seems you can only boot from a FLOPPY |
| 20:31.22 | EmleyMoor | edrin: You can install realplayer - there is an installer in Debian that takes (I think) the RedHat package - though you may need marillat or some other repository to get it |
| 20:31.37 | valdyn | m1ll3`: alsa-oss has nothing to do with your kernel, it is a tool to run OSS-using apps on alsa 'aoss somegame' |
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| 20:31.38 | peterS | edrin: sid ships helix-player, but I think you still need to download non-free stuff from real.com to get it to play those |
| 20:31.51 | m1ll3` | peterS: does alsa-oss include modules which are equivalent to those i can chose in the kernel? or is this independent |
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| 20:32.16 | peterS | m1ll3`: I'm actually not sure what alsa-oss is. the kernel itself includes an OSS emulation module called snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:32.23 | valdyn | m1ll3`: its a different solution for the same problem |
| 20:32.31 | m1ll3` | yes - thats what i'm wondering about, too |
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| 20:32.45 | m1ll3` | because all other alsa-stuff i have as modules from the kernel |
| 20:32.53 | valdyn | m1ll3`: the modules create /dev/dsp , aoss ( which is in alsa-oss ) redirects apps straight to alsa |
| 20:33.02 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 20:33.18 | elephantMan | Who know what stupide QT package i need to use 'make xconfig' |
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| 20:33.33 | elephantMan | i am becoming crazy with this thing |
| 20:33.33 | m1ll3` | would it be better to install alsa-oss or enable oss in the kernel? |
| 20:33.44 | valdyn | m1ll3`: the modules work better, alsa-oss doesnt impose any of the limitations that the modules might. |
| 20:33.47 | sdakota | GNULinux, so, boot from a floppy and boot the cdrom from that :P |
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| 20:33.58 | elephantMan | it says 'missing QT' something, but doesn't give a clear package name |
| 20:34.01 | edrin | btw. do you know why my sound could be that bas quality? |
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| 20:34.38 | sdakota | ah whatever, I'll do the whole quota thing tomorrow... |
| 20:34.39 | sdakota | bye |
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| 20:36.10 | peterS | elephantMan: libqt3-mt-dev, I believe |
| 20:36.38 | peterS | elephantMan: but it should automatically detect libgtk2.0-dev, alternatively |
| 20:36.58 | Azar | damn I googled for help with unpacking firefox and it gives me RedHat instructions |
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| 20:37.43 | Azar | man firefox does not say how to unpack and install it |
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| 20:38.06 | m1ll3` | valdyn: i'm wondering why i'm able to play mp3 with xmms with OSS driver as output plugin |
| 20:38.07 | valdyn | mith: it doesnt hurt to have both available |
| 20:38.09 | Azar | bunzip does not work with gz |
| 20:38.25 | m1ll3` | although i don't have oss installed anywhere |
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| 20:38.27 | valdyn | m1ll3`: because you have alsas OSS emulation modules loaded |
| 20:38.33 | m1ll3` | ah |
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| 20:39.01 | valdyn | m1ll3`: see ls /dev/dsp* <- made by the module snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:39.01 | koshnaranek | tar -xzvf <file> |
| 20:39.04 | fbi | Azar: tar zxvf foo.tar.gz ; cd to new directory ; read the README/INSTALL |
| 20:39.25 | m1ll3` | valdyn: ok, i see |
| 20:39.43 | kingsley | Azar: I suggest installing debian's firefox package, but if you must install a tar.gz file, try alien. |
| 20:40.02 | m1ll3` | when moving xmms window around with the mouse its somehow sluggish |
| 20:40.15 | valdyn | m1ll3`: the sound? or the movement? |
| 20:40.20 | m1ll3` | movement |
| 20:40.23 | LinuxNIT-laptop | anyone know if there is a version of grub i can install with out being in a OS. ie just boot it form cd and install it? |
| 20:40.27 | xam | m1||3: well don't do it then ;) |
| 20:40.42 | kingsley | Azar: alien creates a debian package, which is easier to administer than simply uncompressing and untarring the archive and leaving files scattered hither and yon. |
| 20:41.03 | m1ll3` | xam: just noticing :) didn't have that with archlinux i think |
| 20:41.11 | sirlore | hello, howto set up time to live for network card ? |
| 20:41.24 | grumpydog | ttl 128 |
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| 20:41.55 | funkyHat | Are the debian repositories having trouble? or is it just me? |
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| 20:42.04 | valdyn | m1ll3`: that's hard to track down really, it can be about *any* driver you have loaded, your specific driver, your Xs driver, your X settings.. |
| 20:42.15 | kingsley | LinuxNIT-laptop: Some live linux CDs have an option to install linux to the hard disk, and I expect some even install grub. |
| 20:42.16 | SlayerXP | funkyHat: yes, the debian repositories having trouble or is it just you. |
| 20:42.18 | valdyn | m1ll3`: i meant 'specific kernel' |
| 20:42.19 | SlayerXP | odd question. |
| 20:42.27 | Azar | kingsley, you are right |
| 20:42.29 | edrin | do you know why my sound could be that bas quality? |
| 20:42.33 | edrin | do you know why my sound could be that bad quality? |
| 20:42.34 | LinuxNIT-laptop | k thanks |
| 20:42.41 | predius_ | no |
| 20:42.44 | Azar | I am totally lost here |
| 20:42.44 | kingsley | funkyHat: It may depend on the repository. |
| 20:42.48 | Roey | abrotman, dondelelcaro: back. I recompiled, installed, and still see this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/YaHRwC55.html |
| 20:42.52 | grumpydog | funkyHat, ngland is experiencing problems |
| 20:42.58 | valdyn | edrin: i know for sure that you want to provide useful information instead of repeating |
| 20:42.58 | Kerr | valdyn: i'm still confused as to why i cann not capture from the mic in this sage install but could in my previous. wha is the easiest way to go about insalling the alsa modules, instead of using the debian package? |
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| 20:43.05 | grumpydog | england |
| 20:43.05 | Azar | I need to replace the old version of firefox and I have no idea how |
| 20:43.06 | abrotman | Roey: you missed a driver of some sort |
| 20:43.08 | funkyHat | I'm having trouble with security.debian.org ;) |
| 20:43.08 | m1ll3` | valdyn: don't know - it's an old thinkpad 600 with isa sound and stuff.. not really cutting edge :p |
| 20:43.12 | Roey | abrotman: well yeah |
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| 20:43.30 | Roey | abrotman: I'm just wondering which one--seeing as to how I've already compiled aacraid into the kernel. |
| 20:43.31 | grumpydog | funkyHat, it is b0rked for me as well atm |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | Roey: well . i have no idea which .. start with your controllers .. and your FSs .. double chekc thos |
| 20:43.32 | abrotman | those |
| 20:43.36 | valdyn | Kerr: uname -r |
| 20:43.44 | abrotman | Roey: did you compile in ext3 or whatever you're using ? |
| 20:43.46 | Roey | valdyn: to me? |
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| 20:43.49 | Roey | abrotman: er |
| 20:43.52 | Kerr | m1ll3`: my thinkpad 380d would own yours (if we catapoulted them at eachother.) |
| 20:43.53 | Azar | so I am gonna stay with this: now that I downloaded, and unpacked firefox how do I replace the old version and send the files to the directories where they should be? |
| 20:44.01 | Roey | abrotman: pretty sure? lemme check. |
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| 20:44.28 | m1ll3` | kerr: massive stuff :p |
| 20:44.32 | Kerr | valdyn: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 20:44.33 | funkyHat | grumpydog, well I'm in england as well, I guess I'll just wait then, and not worry about my connection ;) |
| 20:44.42 | fbi | Azar: i just told you. unpack the source, read the README/INSTALL file. |
| 20:44.56 | Azar | ah ok thanks fbi |
| 20:44.57 | valdyn | Kerr: so you're using the alsa modules that came with that kernel. |
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| 20:45.02 | fbi | using alien to install that is a ridiculous idea. |
| 20:45.03 | valdyn | Kerr: i see no reason or point changing that |
| 20:45.04 | grumpydog | funkyHat, *nod* I am in manchester fyi and still have the same problem. |
| 20:45.07 | Kerr | O.o |
| 20:45.09 | Kerr | valdyn: hmm. |
| 20:45.28 | funkyHat | ok |
| 20:45.49 | Kerr | valdyn: i had to install alsa, after i finished my install from dvd, alsaconf wasn't there to run. |
| 20:45.58 | funkyHat | can anyone help me with a simple (and probably stupid) question about using perl on a debian apache2 server |
| 20:45.59 | Kerr | my sarge install^ |
| 20:46.10 | funkyHat | how do I create and set up my cgi-bin directory? |
| 20:46.18 | vincent` | i've got a machine with a 3ware 9550SX raid controller i want to install debian on. the drivers are included in the 2.6.14 kernel according to the manufacturers website, can i make a debian installer that boots w/ 2.6.14 (all the drives are on the controller) ? |
| 20:46.31 | predius_ | funkyHat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 20:46.51 | thingfish | last I installed firefox from their website, all you had to do was unzip the dir and place it where you think it should go, that's it. |
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| 20:46.57 | Azar | gawd here where the README.TXT file sends me: http://getfirerfox.com/releases |
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| 20:46.59 | Azar | what a joke |
| 20:47.04 | grumpydog | funkyHat, or check channel #apache |
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| 20:48.17 | the_g0d | vincent`:maybe this will help, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:48.28 | Kerr | valdyn: wouldn't alsaconf have been there so i could have it set up my card? I think it was last tine :-/ |
| 20:48.47 | predius_ | thingfish: apt-get install firefox? |
| 20:48.48 | vincent` | the_g0d: thx |
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| 20:49.05 | kingsley | Azar: Did you try "apt-get install firefox"? |
| 20:49.09 | thingfish | predius_: well, that's how *I'd* get it, but I was talking to Azar. |
| 20:49.14 | Roey | a HGA |
| 20:49.15 | Roey | HAH |
| 20:49.16 | thingfish | he wants 1.5. |
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| 20:49.34 | predius_ | Azar: sarge, sid or etch? |
| 20:49.43 | eleftherios | all my problems were because of hotplug being removed |
| 20:49.46 | Azar | kingsley, I run sarge |
| 20:49.47 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox experimental |
| 20:49.48 | Roey | abrotman: ok, I did grep -i aid /boot/config* (in Kanotix); I saw that MEGARAID_LEGACY and MEGARAID_NEWGEN are selected. |
| 20:49.54 | Roey | abrotman: as a 'y' |
| 20:49.57 | abrotman | Roey: and in yours ? |
| 20:49.57 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 7587 kB, Installed size: 21608 kB |
| 20:50.02 | Roey | abrotman: in mine it is not. |
| 20:50.05 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 20:50.08 | abrotman | Roey: you're an evil bastard! |
| 20:50.10 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7444 kB, Installed size: 21016 kB |
| 20:50.10 | Roey | abrotman: I thought that aacraid module covers that though? |
| 20:50.15 | Roey | abrotman: I had no idea. Damnit! |
| 20:50.15 | predius_ | abrotman: that's not the one |
| 20:50.21 | predius_ | !info firefox sid |
| 20:50.23 | Roey | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 20:50.24 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7585 kB, Installed size: 21588 kB |
| 20:50.24 | kingsley | Azar: I see. |
| 20:50.26 | Roey | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 20:50.27 | eleftherios | I still get no sound though |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | Roey: we already covered this .. you were supposed to read that page .. it said that it was megaraid2 or something |
| 20:50.40 | predius_ | Azar: backport it |
| 20:50.42 | Roey | abrotman: see I could have solved this two days ago but I needed your guys' help |
| 20:50.55 | thingfish | Azar: Firefox 1.5 will likely not be released for sarge. Downloading it directly from mozilla.com will work, but it will not be integrated with your Debian system. |
| 20:50.56 | abrotman | Roey: some of the other controllers were aacraid |
| 20:50.56 | Roey | abrotman: yes but you said megaraid2 is not the 'megaraid' module. |
| 20:51.05 | abrotman | Roey: in 2.4 it's not :) |
| 20:51.06 | Roey | abrotman: that applied in my case? |
| 20:51.21 | Azar | ok so I am steering at 2 files in my root directory: firefox and firefox-1.5.tar.gz I have no idea what to do with them , where to move them and how to replace mozilla-firefox 1.04sarge5 |
| 20:51.25 | Roey | abrotman: oh... ok |
| 20:51.32 | Roey | abrotman: in any case lemme recompile |
| 20:51.33 | Roey | WOO. |
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| 20:51.39 | Roey | abrotman: I can't find the option in the menu though. |
| 20:51.40 | Azar | ah |
| 20:51.41 | abrotman | Roey: you were supposed to find out about 2.6 and megaraid2 .. but then i pulled *another* section from that page where it said that megaraid2 became megaraid in 2.6.x |
| 20:51.45 | Azar | I see |
| 20:51.50 | Roey | abrotman: ahh |
| 20:51.51 | abrotman | Roey: you may have to enable broken drivers |
| 20:51.57 | Roey | abrotman: ? really?? |
| 20:52.02 | Roey | broken, how so?! |
| 20:52.03 | abrotman | yes .. really |
| 20:52.12 | abrotman | well ... i don't know .. i didn't mark them broken :) |
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| 20:52.22 | Roey | abrotman: can't I just change .config? |
| 20:52.28 | fbi | i blame canada for your broken drivers |
| 20:52.37 | abrotman | Roey: you can try .. but i wouldn't 'just change' it |
| 20:52.39 | Azar | so I unpacked firefox does that means it is installed? the new version? |
| 20:52.47 | abrotman | !install Azar |
| 20:53.04 | Roey | abrotman: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=112620765718812&w=2 |
| 20:53.11 | goron | I have downloaded all the .deb files in this directory: http://www2.truman.edu/~iam504/amarok/ . I did dpkg -i *.deb in the download dir as root... and now I get http://pastebin.com/451429 |
| 20:53.12 | thingfish | Azar: sort of...there is an executable inside that dir that will run firefox. |
| 20:53.12 | Roey | abrotman: yeah there's a bug in the LEGACY driver. |
| 20:53.14 | kingsley | Azar: How about dpkg -r firefox && mv /firefox /usr/bin |
| 20:53.16 | Roey | abrotman: hope it doesn't apply to me. |
| 20:53.30 | abrotman | Roey: which version are you compiling ? |
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| 20:53.53 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 20:54.12 | Fox_1_ | i couldn't remove horde package. it write that i must remove some lines from /etc/apache/access.conf, but access.conf is empty. then it write [PRESS RETURN] i pess, but nothing. and now i can't install and remove anything. my apt was die. |
| 20:54.12 | fbi | !sing abrotman |
| 20:54.12 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 20:54.34 | abrotman | fbi: did you know there's a drury lane in philly ? |
| 20:54.41 | fbi | abrotman: no. |
| 20:54.55 | thingfish | Your Drury Lanes are common. |
| 20:54.55 | fbi | abrotman: i only remember one street in philly. south street. |
| 20:54.57 | abrotman | err .. drury street! |
| 20:55.11 | abrotman | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Drury+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19107&spn=0.001821,0.007909&hl=en |
| 20:55.13 | fbi | where all the good bars and sluts are. |
| 20:55.26 | abrotman | fbi: i wouldn't say that much .. there aren't that many good bars there |
| 20:55.34 | fbi | tattoo mom's++ |
| 20:55.38 | abrotman | fbi: for instance .. there is Monk's! |
| 20:55.43 | thingfish | yeah I think ours is just residential... |
| 20:56.03 | abrotman | fbi: monkscafe.com |
| 20:56.10 | fbi | all i know is, sluts in philly like tattooed california boys |
| 20:56.14 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 20:56.20 | thingfish | hehe well who doesn't? |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | fbi: you did say 'sluts' .. didn't you ? |
| 20:56.31 | thingfish | :) |
| 20:56.37 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 20:56.44 | fbi | abrotman: yes, sluts. the plural form of "slut" |
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| 20:57.17 | Kerr | lol |
| 20:57.22 | fbi | abrotman: how did you know i had a branch for a penis? |
| 20:57.32 | SimonRaven | you wish |
| 20:57.43 | abrotman | twig ? |
| 20:57.49 | fbi | pfft. |
| 20:57.49 | goron | abrotman: The dpkg -i *.deb approach didn't work. |
| 20:57.58 | abrotman | goron: that was .. like hours ago .. |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | goron: did you try apt-get -f install then ? |
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| 20:58.24 | goron | abrotman: I have been doing some other healthier things. |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | right .. some of us have to work for a living |
| 20:58.45 | Kerr | my mic still won't capure :-/ |
| 20:58.52 | Kerr | capture^ |
| 20:59.17 | abrotman | what's the frequency kenneth ? |
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| 20:59.22 | goron | abrotman: ? |
| 20:59.36 | abrotman | goron: do you have an error for us ? |
| 21:00.03 | goron | abrotman: Yes, I posted a link to pastebin http://pastebin.com/451429 above. |
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| 21:00.34 | goron | abrotman: But I think this apt-get -f install seems to help. |
| 21:00.40 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.40 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:00.47 | abrotman | goron: what do you think that means? ??? ??! ?!?!?!? |
| 21:00.48 | m1ll3` | ah - how can i get rid of that "failed to mount /selinux" message? |
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| 21:00.53 | Azar | ok I have some learning to do here, I need a howto for downloading, unpacking and installing packages outside Debian Sarge archive |
| 21:00.53 | goron | abrotman: Yes, you are almost always right. |
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| 21:00.59 | abrotman | goron: did you then try `apt-get -f install` ? |
| 21:01.03 | abrotman | like i told you to ? |
| 21:01.04 | goron | abrotman: Well, there where more problems. |
| 21:01.08 | abrotman | were |
| 21:01.27 | abrotman | more problems ? |
| 21:01.38 | Azar | on the online Debian manuals I cannot find such instructions |
| 21:01.38 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.00 | abrotman | goron: apt-get -f install gives that back ? |
| 21:02.08 | Azar | is there a man with info on howto install packages outside Sarge archives? |
| 21:02.13 | abrotman | !backports |
| 21:02.13 | goron | abrotman: no, it's on pastebin |
| 21:02.13 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:02.27 | abrotman | goron: apt-get -f install .. what does it say ? |
| 21:02.31 | goron | abrotman: With apt-get -f install it works. |
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| 21:02.37 | goron | abrotman: Exactly like you said. |
| 21:02.39 | abrotman | goron: ok .. then i'm confused ? |
| 21:02.39 | Azar | thanks abrotman |
| 21:02.43 | goron | abrotman: You are the best |
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| 21:03.00 | abrotman | goron: so it all works ? |
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| 21:03.18 | goron | abrotman: Well, I have to start amarok, but ignoring that, yes. |
| 21:03.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:03.44 | doubleukay | does anyone here use xen 3.0 + debian sid? i am getting this setsid() problem |
| 21:03.56 | Genghis_ | anyone knows why iptables stops logging dropped packs to /var/log/kernel.log after +/- 20mins? |
| 21:04.09 | abrotman | because you filled / ? |
| 21:04.14 | abrotman | or /var/ ? |
| 21:04.31 | thingfish | Azar: what are you trying to install? |
| 21:04.33 | abrotman | goron: so everything is peachy now ? |
| 21:04.55 | goron | abrotman: looks like amarok is annoying with my playlist, but ignoring that, yes completely. |
| 21:05.06 | abrotman | annoywith my playlist ? |
| 21:05.11 | abrotman | goron: maybe .. #kde ? .. |
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| 21:05.25 | goron | abrotman: I can solve this myself. |
| 21:05.31 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 21:05.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:05.53 | c4_ | is messenger client inplemented in new versions of centericq?\ |
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| 21:06.26 | Kerr | this is irritating ~.~ though i'm using a 2.6 kernel, would it hurt to install alsa from source, to see if that helps mic capture work? |
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| 21:07.09 | abrotman | c4_: check the changelogs ? |
| 21:07.20 | abrotman | Kerr: what app are you trying to use to record ? |
| 21:07.38 | abrotman | Kerr: and .. uhm .. some drivers reverse input/mic |
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| 21:08.34 | some_dude | when i installed X it ran me through a setup script, how can i do that again ? |
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| 21:08.43 | fbi | !tell some_dude about drxx |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | !drxx some_dude |
| 21:08.46 | dpkg | some_dude: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | !tell fbi about snickers |
| 21:09.08 | abrotman | fbi: i found a warm snickers in my pants! |
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| 21:09.10 | DevilChaos | what is a good mp3 encoder to use indebian cant seem to findone in deselect ? |
| 21:09.13 | fbi | !tell abrotman about the birds and the bees |
| 21:09.21 | abrotman | DevilChaos: i think most people use lame |
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| 21:09.25 | abrotman | !tell DevilChaos about lame |
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| 21:09.45 | abrotman | !tell fbi about birds and the bees |
| 21:09.53 | fbi | haha |
| 21:09.53 | numist | haha |
| 21:09.55 | fbi | fucking jackass |
| 21:09.59 | numist | !tell me about birds and the bees |
| 21:10.02 | abrotman | i didn't create it! |
| 21:10.05 | abrotman | it was already there |
| 21:10.07 | numist | haha it really exists |
| 21:10.14 | fbi | !factinfo the birds and the bees |
| 21:10.14 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as the birds and the bees, fbi |
| 21:10.19 | abrotman | fbi: no the |
| 21:10.20 | fbi | !factinfo birds and the bees |
| 21:10.20 | dpkg | birds and the bees -- created by sussudio <Suss@45dyn138.dh.casema.net> at Wed Jul 31 08:16:00 2002 (1224 days); last modified at Fri Dec 20 02:09:15 2002 by tolchz!~tolchz@adsl-156-145-86.owb.bellsouth.net; has not been requested yet. |
| 21:10.38 | Roey | abrotman: hehe |
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| 21:11.04 | abrotman | ok .. www.casema.net has .. the best website! |
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| 21:11.15 | fbi | i wonder what percentage of dpkg's factoids are completely useless |
| 21:11.20 | numist | a lot |
| 21:11.23 | SpComb | dpkg is a pretty smart bot |
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| 21:11.33 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 21:11.33 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a kurumin user |
| 21:11.42 | numist | abrotman: oh. my. god. |
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| 21:12.13 | abrotman | fbi: you can download them yourself and se |
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| 21:12.15 | abrotman | see |
| 21:12.21 | some_dude | what is my mouse device, I use a USB, and ps2 and the touch pad on the laptop ? |
| 21:12.41 | fbi | abrotman: from dpkg? |
| 21:12.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:12.47 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 21:12.47 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 21:13.21 | Roey | abrotman: I compiled the megaraid stuff yet I still get that error. I made a diff between Kanotix's .config and my own; it's at http://rafb.net/paste/results/BCmqch87.html |
| 21:14.44 | abrotman | Roey: why don't you just copy the kanotix config and try tthat .. without any changes ? |
| 21:15.08 | abrotman | i'm not fluent in diff :) |
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| 21:16.02 | Roey | abrotman: ah, ok. I have the original files, too, if you want. |
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| 21:16.22 | abrotman | Roey: why not just try the kanotix config ? |
| 21:16.32 | Roey | abrotman: that's the next step, I was thinking. |
| 21:16.57 | Roey | I'll copy its .config; make oldconfig; fakeroot make-kpkg linux-image. |
| 21:16.57 | abrotman | i already thought it :) |
| 21:17.04 | Roey | ;) |
| 21:17.07 | abrotman | Roey: make-kpkg binary |
| 21:17.11 | Roey | why? |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | though .. linux-image should be sufficient |
| 21:17.18 | Roey | (was it not making some modules?) |
| 21:17.31 | Roey | (I thought linux-image does kernel AND modules) |
| 21:17.36 | abrotman | i always make them all .. i'm lazy :) |
| 21:17.48 | abrotman | i would have to remove the tree .. then find out i needed that deb two months later |
| 21:17.54 | Roey | oh |
| 21:17.55 | Roey | oh |
| 21:18.00 | abrotman | err |
| 21:18.01 | abrotman | hate |
| 21:18.03 | Roey | abrotman: you mean making all what? |
| 21:18.09 | Roey | abrotman: making all of the options in the kernel? |
| 21:18.11 | karsten | @comfort abrotman |
| 21:18.12 | ravenbird | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:18.17 | abrotman | !scream |
| 21:18.17 | dpkg | GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 21:18.27 | Roey | !scream louder |
| 21:18.28 | oohlaf | Do the debian kernels support custom DSDT (acpi) files inside initrd images? |
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| 21:18.58 | karsten | !scream louder |
| 21:18.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, scream louder is GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!! |
| 21:19.23 | Roey | !behave yourself |
| 21:19.23 | Kerr | abrotman: trying to use skype, it worked in my last sarge install; which was also on a 2.6 kernel. I get sound but can't capture :-/ |
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| 21:19.42 | Roey | abrotman: ok, i'll compile kanotix's .config. |
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| 21:20.16 | sussudio | !authstats |
| 21:20.28 | m1ll3` | lol - my fps in glxgears (neomagic 128XD card) seems to be locked to 66 fps |
| 21:20.42 | Roey | ;) |
| 21:20.43 | Roey | heh |
| 21:21.03 | m1ll3` | is there some refreshlock like in windows? :p |
| 21:21.03 | Kerr | i've decided letting my sarge testing turn to etch testing and lend from sid and every unrtrusted respository i need something from isn't a great idea. My previous install dying a horrible death has nothing to do with this. |
| 21:21.26 | ViViD | what is the version number of etch? |
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| 21:21.45 | Duelist | unstable is in general a bad idea unless you are willing to bug report anything |
| 21:22.27 | karsten_ | karsten: oh, come on ... this name is too beautoful to get registered to one person ;) |
| 21:22.49 | Kerr | Duelist: took from sid 'cause the nvidia one liner wasn't working. Damn nvidia drivers. |
| 21:23.03 | Duelist | Kerr: nVidia makes crap anyway |
| 21:23.21 | sussudio | !factstats author |
| 21:23.24 | Duelist | I think my next card will be either an ATI or Matrox (I have a Matrox now) |
| 21:23.29 | Kerr | Duelist: donated gforce 4 > tnt2 i found in college. |
| 21:23.35 | Duelist | true that |
| 21:23.50 | dpkg | factoid statistics by author: (15 of 81): 850 by greycat ;; 508 by xk ;; 384 by sussudio ;; 274 by dondelelcaro ;; 265 by hoxu ;; 247 by nrclf ;; 240 by guerin ;; 221 by localhost ;; 205 by ricky_clarkson ;; 203 by cafuego ;; 183 by bob2 ;; 153 by mentor ;; 147 by karsten ;; 115 by asuffield ;; 107 by solitude. |
| 21:23.55 | Duelist | back when I didn't care about freedom of software and a binary only Windows driver was enough the TNT2 was a decent card |
| 21:23.55 | m1ll3` | which assistant to use to configure my sys to dhcp on bootup? |
| 21:23.58 | abrotman | Kerr: oh .. no idea then .. try another app that records .. liek audacity |
| 21:23.59 | sussudio | \o/ |
| 21:24.02 | Kerr | i play quake3 and sof2. soemtimes, i swear i can hear the card crying. |
| 21:24.04 | goron | What's the procedure for reporting bugs in Stable? |
| 21:24.53 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 21:24.53 | dpkg | i guess reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. install reportbug, then run reportbug. |
| 21:25.04 | abrotman | sussudio: your old ISP has a funny image on the home page |
| 21:25.18 | Fox_1_ | is there any mailing list software in debian? |
| 21:25.19 | abrotman | sussudio: wtf is solitude ? |
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| 21:25.23 | Kerr | abrotman: cat dev/dsp > /dev/dsp is silent too. |
| 21:25.24 | sussudio | abrotman: mreh? |
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| 21:25.31 | abrotman | sussudio: the last one in that list |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | Kerr: really .. you don't say .. i can't imagine why .. try it again |
| 21:25.46 | sussudio | list? |
| 21:25.46 | ViViD | does etch have a version number? |
| 21:25.52 | abrotman | sussudio: the factstats author |
| 21:25.53 | Kerr | abrotman: a demo version of aprtitude that can only install one package. |
| 21:25.56 | Kerr | :-P |
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| 21:26.04 | Kerr | aptitude^ |
| 21:26.31 | abrotman | !wiki Sound |
| 21:26.33 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 21:26.37 | OpenSores | I'm trying to start Apache2, it runs with no errors but it dies leaving this in the error log (28)No space left on device: mod_python: Failed to create global mutex 1 of 20 (/tmp/mpmtx134671)., yet /tmp appears to have at least 300M available |
| 21:26.39 | abrotman | someone make the wiki thing work |
| 21:26.47 | abrotman | Kerr: check the wiki |
| 21:26.52 | abrotman | !wiki |
| 21:26.55 | Kerr | abrotman: i uninstalled alsa, i can guarantee it won't work this time. |
| 21:26.56 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 21:27.04 | OpenSores | Anyone got any ideas? |
| 21:27.06 | SNow | shit the cobs |
| 21:27.08 | SNow | caught me |
| 21:27.10 | SNow | 10minutes ago |
| 21:27.12 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 21:27.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and a handful of rabid kittens. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 21:27.28 | valdyn | OpenSores: "df -a" <- paste somwhere |
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| 21:27.32 | abrotman | what do you need the paste for ? |
| 21:27.48 | sussudio | abrotman: there's no isps mentioned |
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| 21:27.54 | abrotman | isps ? |
| 21:28.01 | abrotman | !listauth solitude |
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| 21:28.03 | fando | I'm using wpa supplicant.. I was wondering why the wireless indicator is almost always on compared to the old WEP |
| 21:28.04 | chino2 | how do i look at a package contenets ? |
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| 21:28.22 | Conan_ | a question: I just had my webserver go "read only" on the / , why did this happen? any ideas? |
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| 21:28.24 | valdyn | chino2: an installed package? |
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| 21:28.28 | chino2 | yes |
| 21:28.28 | Conan_ | didn't find much googling about it |
| 21:28.34 | sussudio | !bluelines |
| 21:28.34 | dpkg | well, bluelines is solitude's ByteCenter blootbot! named after the massive attack album |
| 21:28.35 | OpenSores | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/451493 |
| 21:28.37 | bessel | distorted console display after NVIDIA installation, however gdm appears fine... if dont start gdm at boot up, console goes back to normal. thanks. |
| 21:28.39 | valdyn | chino2: dpkg -L |
| 21:28.48 | abrotman | !shut the crap |
| 21:28.48 | dpkg | shut the crap is probably equinox's way of saying shutup. |
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| 21:29.01 | Conan_ | anyone know anything about that? or had that happen? |
| 21:29.13 | OpenSores | i wish i hadn't partitioned my HD like that |
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| 21:29.22 | chino2 | valdyn: do i have to type out the full name ? |
| 21:29.30 | xam | !slashdott |
| 21:29.30 | dpkg | Slashdott Headline (10 shown): Horizontal elevator plans scrapped ;; Masturbation proven to cure cancer! ;; Small nuclear reaction from mixing Coke & Pepsi kills 3 ;; GAMP taking the world by storm ;; Bin Laden uses AOL ;; 486 Overclocked to 2.1Ghz ;; Overclockers causing global warming? ;; Canada invades U.S.A. ;; Microsoft buys Earth for $6.8 trillion ;; Top 10 Top 10 lists. |
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| 21:30.30 | Ungy | mastrubation causes Cancer Nooooooooo |
| 21:30.30 | Conan_ | Anyone know why my debian box suddenly (after 50 days of uptime) has switched to "read only" on / ?? |
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| 21:30.33 | valdyn | chino2: dpkg -L mozila-firefox ( for instance ) |
| 21:30.47 | chino2 | yes i did dpkg -L lighttpd and it says its not installed... |
| 21:31.29 | chino2 | is a there a list of installed packages ? |
| 21:31.32 | OpenSores | valdyn, no ideas? |
| 21:31.36 | MrBallZ | Conan_: because maybe you filled up the space on " / " |
| 21:31.50 | valdyn | OpenSores: nope, not from this df output |
| 21:31.53 | ove | chino2: dpkg --list |
| 21:31.54 | MrBallZ | Conan_: try df -h |
| 21:32.04 | marcel__ | whats the dpkg arguement to set up X with gnome? |
| 21:32.05 | valdyn | OpenSores: try creating a file there yourself |
| 21:32.14 | Conan_ | nope, 50% left |
| 21:32.36 | chino2 | how do i stop checkinstall from creating a deb list name with the version number on it ? |
| 21:32.39 | OpenSores | valdyn, it worked |
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| 21:33.02 | Conan_ | ./dev/hda2 110G 53G 52G 51% / |
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| 21:33.16 | valdyn | OpenSores: chmod +x that file |
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| 21:33.26 | Kerr | abrotman: abrotman what effect, if any, will installing alsa from source have on my machine? |
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| 21:33.36 | abrotman | Kerr: NFC .. ask #alsa .. |
| 21:33.36 | Kerr | err |
| 21:33.39 | Conan_ | i googled on it, seems its not that uncommon, just that noone seems to find out why it happens |
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| 21:33.46 | valdyn | OpenSores: uh or just paste your fstab and the output of mount |
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| 21:33.55 | marcel__ | abrotman: how can I ask dpkg about installing gnome? |
| 21:34.01 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 21:34.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 21:34.08 | galnod | ot: having hardware trouble: put a new (to me) mobo in a box to replace a dying one. Reconfigured a few things, shutdown, closed the case, rebooted. wouldn't boot. no video. Swapped agp cards. No good. Pulled the agp card installed a pci card. Same. Monitor works, I'm using it now. Any ideas? |
| 21:34.31 | abrotman | galnod: #hardware |
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| 21:34.51 | Conan_ | hmm |
| 21:35.00 | Conan_ | this is what it says in the fstab file |
| 21:35.04 | Conan_ | ./dev/hda2 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 21:35.17 | Conan_ | so im guessing some error occured, and it remounted as read-only |
| 21:35.26 | galnod | abrotman: yeah, I'd say so, but which hardware, and how could closing the case break it? |
| 21:35.26 | Conan_ | how can i find out what the error was? |
| 21:35.41 | abrotman | galnod: as in .. the channel #hardware .. /join #hardware |
| 21:36.09 | valdyn | galnod: agp can be disabled in some bios iirc |
| 21:36.28 | KirbyMeister | does anyone know if NVU has an IRC channel? |
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| 21:37.02 | galnod | abrotman: got it, thanks. |
| 21:37.15 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: maybe on irc.mozilla.org ? |
| 21:37.16 | xam | Conan_ if you are lucky you might see something in /var/log/syslog* |
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| 21:37.35 | KirbyMeister | thanks |
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| 21:37.42 | Conan_ | ya im checking |
| 21:37.49 | galnod | valdyn: can't get to bios, no video, besides it was enabled enough before I closed the case |
| 21:38.00 | Kerr | valdyn: your suggestion about unmuting channels didn't work.. i can still hear the mic play backfine and it still won't capture |
| 21:38.05 | valdyn | galnod: you can when you plug in your pci card.. |
| 21:38.29 | galnod | valdyn: nope, no video with the pci card either. |
| 21:39.01 | valdyn | Kerr: wish i could control your volume.. your hardware internal feature to directly play whatever the mic gets isnt what you need for skype.. |
| 21:39.13 | OpenSores | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/451514 - i can't see anything that might suggest there's a problem |
| 21:39.20 | valdyn | Kerr: is this a centrino notebook btw? |
| 21:39.46 | phaedrus_ | anyone wanna help me sort out my wlan0 problems? |
| 21:39.53 | Kerr | valdyn: nope, C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 21:39.53 | abrotman | you can hear mic playback fine ? .. but it won't capture ? |
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| 21:39.59 | Kerr | on a homebuilt k7. |
| 21:40.00 | phaedrus_ | anyone wanna help me sort out my wlan0 problems? |
| 21:40.03 | Zvpun | a183127:/mnt/hda1# lsattr lib/libsh.so/shdcf |
| 21:40.03 | Zvpun | ----------------- lib/libsh.so/shdcf |
| 21:40.03 | Zvpun | a183127:/mnt/hda1# rm lib/libsh.so/bash |
| 21:40.05 | Zvpun | rm: cannot remove `lib/libsh.so/bash': Permission denied |
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| 21:40.12 | Azar | I ham having a directory that I see it is empty, I created it, I want to rm it but it keeps saying it is not empty how do I force remove it? |
| 21:40.20 | Kerr | it worked fine before i was fored to reinstall sarge |
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| 21:40.35 | marcel__ | abrotman: an USB infra red mouse is at /dev/input/mice, right? |
| 21:40.43 | abrotman | sohuld be |
| 21:40.47 | marcel__ | thank you! |
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| 21:41.19 | Zvpun | I cant delete a file as root, can someone help me? lsattr lib/libsh.so/shdcf # ----------------- lib/libsh.so/shdcf |
| 21:41.23 | valdyn | OpenSores: right, no idea. |
| 21:41.32 | Conan_ | Dec 6 21:51:22 moxiecode kernel: EXT2-fs error (device hda2): ext2_readdir: zero-length directory entry |
| 21:41.33 | Conan_ | Dec 6 21:51:22 moxiecode kernel: Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 21:41.35 | OpenSores | heh |
| 21:41.36 | Conan_ | thats the problem |
| 21:41.48 | OpenSores | it happened after i edited apache2.conf but i don't know if that is coincidence |
| 21:41.49 | Conan_ | a simple fscheck on reboot should be fine? |
| 21:42.09 | Kerr | valdyn: what made you think it was a laptop O.o ? |
| 21:42.54 | valdyn | Kerr: i misread earlier i guess, doesnt matter |
| 21:43.07 | valdyn | Kerr: i have 2 switches for my microphone: capture and mute |
| 21:43.20 | valdyn | Kerr: capture needs to be on, mute needs to be not on |
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| 21:43.45 | valdyn | Kerr: err, or its probably called 'record' |
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| 21:44.27 | Kerr | valdyn: on alsamixer, tab switches between capture and playback; the former being the volume someone on the other end of a skype call can hear, the latter being what you can hear. Mo matter the combination of mutes and volumes, the capturing of the mic simply doesn't happen. |
| 21:44.30 | Zvpun | I need help deleting a file: rm: cannot remove `usr/lib/libsh/hide': Permission denied |
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| 21:44.46 | E-bola | I had a bad disk on a software raid in linux, i had removed the missing disk fromt he raid5 set and added a new spare, and it had just begun rebuilding/synchin when a power outage shutdown the box, after a reboot it apears to be rebuilding/synching from scratch again, is it likely i will get problems? |
| 21:44.47 | hfx | hiyas |
| 21:44.53 | Kerr | zyriel: try man rm |
| 21:44.56 | Azar | rmdir mydirectory rmdir: Directory is not empty what can I do ? |
| 21:44.59 | hfx | i get only read-only files when i connect to my debian server. server is samba version 3.0.20b, client is 3.0.14a. any idea what could be wrong? |
| 21:45.00 | Kerr | zyriel: it will list some other options. |
| 21:45.07 | LSorensen | Zvpun: who owns the file? who owns the dir? who are you? |
| 21:45.20 | hfx | Azar, try "rm -r <dir>" |
| 21:45.29 | Kerr | Azar: don't do it :-P |
| 21:45.40 | Azar | thank you hfx :) |
| 21:45.43 | Conan_ | umm... ok how do i force reboot debian when in read-only? seems like "reboot" wants to do something and fails (since drive is in read-only) |
| 21:45.44 | Kerr | Azar: read the man file, and make sure that option is what you want. |
| 21:45.48 | hfx | welcome :) |
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| 21:46.07 | Azar | what it was bad to do that? |
| 21:46.10 | Kerr | Azar: accepting spoonfeeding = putting your pc in the hands of strangers. best to doublecheck. |
| 21:46.11 | Azar | rm -r file? |
| 21:46.32 | Azar | Kerr I had an empty directory that refused to go |
| 21:46.45 | Kerr | i'd have used rmdir :) |
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| 21:46.59 | Zvpun | LSorensen: I am root. ls -l usr//lib/libsh/hide # -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 114 2000 Jul 16 2004 usr//lib/libsh/hide |
| 21:47.12 | Zvpun | ls -ld usr//lib/libsh/ # drwxr-xr-x 6 root 1005 4096 May 28 2005 usr//lib/libsh/ |
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| 21:47.17 | Azar | I did rmdir mydirectory and I kept getting that was not empty |
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| 21:47.31 | KirbyMeister | try rm -r mydirectory |
| 21:47.37 | Zvpun | LSorensen: lsattr usr//lib/libsh/hide # ----------------- usr//lib/libsh/hide |
| 21:47.40 | KirbyMeister | it will recursivly trash everything |
| 21:47.51 | LSorensen | zb: and 'id' ? |
| 21:47.54 | KirbyMeister | in mydirectory |
| 21:47.55 | Azar | thank you, it worked this way |
| 21:47.58 | LSorensen | er Zvpun |
| 21:48.20 | valdyn | Kerr: maybe try gnome-volume-control or whatever if you have a slight doubt getting along w/ alsamixer ( i sure dont like it ) |
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| 21:48.33 | hfx | KirbyMeister, might have been some hidden files |
| 21:48.40 | LSorensen | Zvpun: are you trying to remove a rootkit or something? |
| 21:48.45 | Zvpun | LSorensen: id # uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 21:48.47 | Zvpun | LSorensen: yes |
| 21:48.48 | LSorensen | Zvpun: file system readonly? |
| 21:48.54 | Zvpun | LSorensen: no |
| 21:48.59 | Azar | ahhh damn, I forgot about hidden files |
| 21:49.08 | Azar | its ok the directory had to go |
| 21:49.10 | Zvpun | LSorensen: I reinstalled on another partition and booted other installation |
| 21:49.11 | jdhutchin1 | Zvpun, if you have a rootkit, you need to reformat and re-isntall everything |
| 21:49.16 | LSorensen | Zvpun: then most likely your tools are compromised to prevent you doing anything. boot from a trusted OS install, backup data, reinstall |
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| 21:49.33 | valdyn | Kerr: then there's that remote chance you might have hit an alsa bug, get new modules via 'apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r);m-a prepare;m-a a-i alsa' |
| 21:49.36 | Zvpun | LSorensen: I reinstalled and rebooted. now I want to delete the old partition |
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| 21:49.42 | LSorensen | Zvpun: if you already are doing that, then hmm. |
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| 21:50.00 | LSorensen | Zvpun: what is with the two '/'s ? |
| 21:50.01 | Zvpun | LSorensen: I could delete some files after using chattr but some cant be deleted |
| 21:50.06 | Kerr | valdyn: just now installed nvidia drivers, so i'm pretty sure all that is up to date :-/ |
| 21:50.21 | jdhutchin1 | Zvpun, do you have selinux? you could also check dmesg and see if it has anything relevant |
| 21:50.22 | chino2 | how do i tell checkinstall to create a deb with the doc/ folder as the document tree ? |
| 21:50.33 | valdyn | Kerr: what does that have to do with alsa? |
| 21:50.34 | Zvpun | LSorensen: what does '/'s mean? |
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| 21:50.51 | LSorensen | Zvpun: you have usr//lib/libsh/hide rather than usr/lib/libsh/hide |
| 21:51.02 | LSorensen | Zvpun: just wondering if that was a typo or it really has that? |
| 21:51.15 | Kerr | having kernel headers, module assistant, etc. |
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| 21:51.27 | valdyn | Kerr: well, skip that part then |
| 21:51.32 | Zvpun | LSorensen: it really is that but doesnt change anything |
| 21:51.34 | LSorensen | Zvpun: so lsattr on the dir and the file have nothing? |
| 21:51.38 | Kerr | apt is pretty busy installing mplayer anyhow |
| 21:51.51 | LSorensen | Zvpun: if they somehow stuck a / in the dir name that is a big deal. / is not allowed in dir/file names |
| 21:52.16 | Zvpun | LSorensen: I can ls the files without // so I assume it is not in the filename |
| 21:52.26 | Azar | so the deb-src sources in the sources.file will only update archives but will never switch me from sarge to etch or sid, right? |
| 21:52.46 | LSorensen | Zvpun: ok. good. so no lsattr bits set on either the dir or the file then? |
| 21:53.02 | valdyn | Azar: right. |
| 21:53.08 | LSorensen | Azar: a deb-src is only for source packages. it won't do anything to your install |
| 21:53.09 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 21:53.15 | Zvpun | LSorensen: your hint with lsattr on directories seems to be the thing I was searching for |
| 21:53.24 | Zvpun | LSorensen: Thanks! |
| 21:53.33 | LSorensen | Zvpun: dir has a stupid bit set? |
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| 21:53.55 | OpenSores | hmm, rebooting seemed to fix that weird error |
| 21:54.16 | valdyn | OpenSores: ls -ld /tmp/, btw |
| 21:54.32 | Zvpun | LSorensen: the directories had sia flag |
| 21:54.39 | OpenSores | drwxrwxrwt 9 root root 3072 Dec 6 21:55 /tmp/ |
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| 21:54.59 | valdyn | OpenSores: yea, perfect |
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| 21:55.20 | Zvpun | LSorensen: thanks for your help |
| 21:55.22 | LSorensen | Zvpun: well that would do it yes. |
| 21:55.25 | LSorensen | Zvpun: no problem |
| 21:55.28 | |V\oNK | what can i apt-get to burn .isos? |
| 21:55.32 | LSorensen | Zvpun: you were already on the right track at least |
| 21:55.34 | Zvpun | LSorensen: it makes sense to me now too |
| 21:55.47 | |V\oNK | id hate to have to boot back to MS to burn an iso |
| 21:55.51 | jdhutchin1 | |V\oNK, cdrecord |
| 21:55.56 | LSorensen | |V\oNK: to cd: cdrecord, to dvd: growisofs (dvd+rw-tools) |
| 21:56.03 | |V\oNK | ty |
| 21:56.06 | |V\oNK | ty both |
| 21:56.41 | Azar | us.debian.org does not work for me in sources.list |
| 21:57.02 | jdhutchin1 | Azar, try ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 21:57.04 | sbk | Another dumb question. Is it just me being silly, or am I not seeing the purpose of these programs that "auto-restart some daemon" when inittab can do the same thing? |
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| 21:57.27 | Azar | yah it is an idea |
| 21:57.42 | nyk2005 | does vim not have syntax highlighting in the debian package? |
| 21:57.51 | jdhutchin1 | nyk2005, you have to enable it, it is there |
| 21:57.53 | Zvpun | Myon: :syntax enable |
| 21:58.10 | Zvpun | nyk2005: :syntax enable, also read about ~/.vimrc |
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| 21:58.12 | caphuso | sbk: if you do it via inittab, then stopping the process temporarily is a PITA and not at all possible for non-root users |
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| 21:59.39 | Azar | us.debian.org non responsive |
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| 22:00.11 | Zvpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.11 | Azar | I never used that source, it never works for me |
| 22:00.26 | Azar | can I get from another side of the world? |
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| 22:00.30 | caphuso | Zvpun: because they're not shells? |
| 22:00.38 | naphex | Is there a khtml based browser I can apt-get whithout installing kde? (on etch) |
| 22:00.43 | Pryon | And whose shell profile would it read? |
| 22:00.45 | hugo | how to start an mysql server |
| 22:00.50 | sbk | caphuso: ah, I see -- ok. |
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| 22:00.58 | Zvpun | caphuso: but then there is no profile read and no environment set |
| 22:01.00 | zinx | naphex: uhm, khtml most likely requires KDE |
| 22:01.06 | astronut | i just installed sarge and then upgraded to sid. I then went to install 2.6 (2.6.14-2-686), and apt also installed yaird. however, it won't configure the kernel image, saying "Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2.6.14-2-686 on running kernel 2.4.27-2-386 in /usr/sbin/mkinitrd /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yair /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs |
| 22:01.28 | naphex | zinx: I don't mind a few libraries... but the whole stuff... |
| 22:01.31 | m1ll3` | which repository can i get adobe reader 7 from? |
| 22:01.37 | grumpydog | It does makes sense I must say just, using netinstall and progressing from there. |
| 22:01.46 | zinx | naphex: KDE is a quite a few libraries |
| 22:01.46 | Zvpun | caphuso: also the profile is your environment that is why your shell is mentioned in /etc/passwd |
| 22:01.49 | Kluster_v2 | hugo is that a question ? |
| 22:02.01 | zinx | naphex: you don't need anything but the deps :P~ |
| 22:02.08 | hugo | yes |
| 22:02.09 | Kluster_v2 | si oui, facile: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 22:02.18 | caphuso | Zvpun: no, the shell is mentioned in /etc/passwd because login needs to know what to execute when a user logs in |
| 22:02.20 | hugo | merci bien |
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| 22:02.29 | grumpydog | sava? |
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| 22:02.34 | Zvpun | caphuso: okay |
| 22:02.53 | Zvpun | caphuso: still: how is your environment read during login with a display manager? |
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| 22:03.18 | valdyn | !wikifaq Zvpun DotFiles |
| 22:03.19 | dpkg | Zvpun: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:03.28 | caphuso | Zvpun: depends on the startup scripts |
| 22:03.40 | nyk2005 | jdhutchin1: thanks! |
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| 22:03.48 | Zvpun | caphuso: on debian, _not_ selecting "default" |
| 22:04.01 | naphex | zinx: in aptitude at least, it seems that konqueror depends on kde-desktop, which come wuth a bunch of stuff I don't want... So no 'lighweight browser' based on khtml? |
| 22:04.01 | caphuso | Zvpun: still depends on the startup scripts |
| 22:04.39 | valdyn | !depends konqueror |
| 22:04.44 | caphuso | Zvpun: if those read your ~/.profile, it'll be used. if they don't, then it won't |
| 22:04.58 | Azar | damn \ |
| 22:05.13 | Zvpun | caphuso: on a debian standard installation without changing the system wide startup scripts |
| 22:05.40 | caphuso | Zvpun: again, depends on the startup scripts |
| 22:05.47 | naphex | zinx: actually I'm wrong. It does not take that much. I really love debian :) |
| 22:05.48 | caphuso | how often do i need to repeat that? |
| 22:06.02 | dpkg | konqueror: depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.4.3-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfam0, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libice6, libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libkonq4 (>= 4:3.4.3-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1 (>> ... |
| 22:06.06 | Zvpun | caphuso: can you explain? Apparently I don't understand what you try to tell me |
| 22:06.29 | valdyn | naphex: its called 'kdesktop' as far as i can see, and ist not that huge really |
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| 22:07.18 | naphex | valdyn: true, see my comment above, I was wrong. |
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| 22:07.46 | caphuso | Zvpun: one thing you might want to consider: a standard debian installation can use at least half a dozen different display managers |
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| 22:09.16 | Zvpun | caphuso: they don't behave the same way? In this case lets say I am using either kdm or gdm |
| 22:09.34 | caphuso | Zvpun: both of those are known to do weird stuff by default |
| 22:10.05 | Zvpun | caphuso: fair 'nuff |
| 22:10.07 | caphuso | apparently you can beat them into shape by choosing "debian session" and using a proper ~/.xsession, but that might be a myth |
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| 22:10.49 | Zvpun | caphuso: using ~/.xsession does relay on selecting default, that is not really an option when explaining other people why their environment is not read |
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| 22:11.39 | caphuso | Zvpun: well, if you can come up with a working way of reliably reading in the user's profile, feel free to send a patch to the XSF |
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| 22:12.53 | Zvpun | caphuso: there is already an old suggestion in debian bug report system suggesting the Red Hat way: make XSession #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh and using bashim to source the correct profile (independend on bash= |
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| 22:13.07 | Azar | "unable to find a source package for mozilla-firefox-1.5" ? I changed my sources.list to both testing and unstable.. :( |
| 22:13.08 | caphuso | Zvpun: good idea. force everyone to use bash |
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| 22:13.22 | Zvpun | caphuso: I accknoledge your point. |
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| 22:13.30 | Azar | all it gives me is mozilla-firefox 1.0.7 |
| 22:13.58 | Zvpun | caphuso: What is wrong with demanding display managers to read the users profile like login shells do? |
| 22:14.19 | caphuso | Zvpun: how would it do that? |
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| 22:14.44 | Zvpun | read /etc/passwd and spawn a login shell |
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| 22:15.30 | caphuso | Zvpun: spawn a login shell when? |
| 22:16.05 | Zvpun | caphuso: after the display authenticated you, spawn a login shell |
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| 22:16.12 | caphuso | Zvpun: in a xterm? |
| 22:16.24 | caphuso | now that's going to help... |
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| 22:16.51 | Zvpun | caphuso: well the display managers spawns X, make it spawn a login shell that spawns X, you wont need an xterm |
| 22:17.02 | goron | !info firefox experimental |
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| 22:17.29 | caphuso | Zvpun: you got that backwards... the display manager starts a shell and that spawns X |
| 22:17.32 | Kruz | anyone know about mitm arp poisoning and could answer a question or 2 |
| 22:17.34 | caphuso | not the other way round |
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| 22:17.47 | tr1gg3r | kruz, ill try |
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| 22:17.53 | NikiN | hy |
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| 22:18.03 | goron | !info mozilla-firefox experimental |
| 22:18.05 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 7587 kB, Installed size: 21608 kB |
| 22:18.14 | goron | Azar: There it is |
| 22:18.17 | Zvpun | caphuso: display manager -> login-shell -> X Would that not work? |
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| 22:18.26 | shadowcat | experimental? |
| 22:18.33 | shadowcat | goron: are you fucking insane? |
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| 22:18.43 | caphuso | Zvpun: and what would happen if a user uses a shell that can't cope with /etc/X11/Xsession? |
| 22:18.49 | goron | shadowcat: It's not like I am installing it. |
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| 22:19.06 | shadowcat | goron: don't EVER recommend unstable/experimental packages to anyone |
| 22:19.06 | goron | shadowcat: Someone close to the edge wants it. |
| 22:19.15 | goron | shadowcat: Even when they ask? |
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| 22:19.17 | caphuso | Zvpun: (or whatever startup scripts your DM uses) |
| 22:19.22 | Kruz | ok, im looking to do a MITM on my network, using ettercap, i can see all non encrypted stuff, but i know with tunnels and stuff i can get on the end to see past the encryption, i tried dsniff, and ettercap, but cant see the encrypted stuff still |
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| 22:19.25 | shadowcat | goron: then tell them they should wait |
| 22:19.27 | seb- | anyone else think putting 2.6 kernel on stable is sometimes *more* unstable than just running unstable? |
| 22:19.30 | NikiN | Can someone help me with sudo... i red the manual but i could not find a way to get work a single command - mount - work without password |
| 22:19.38 | goron | Azar: You heard it, you should wait. |
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| 22:19.43 | bazz | is there a way to get udhcp to hand out ips based on mac addresses? (i.e. if my mac address is "blah" always give me 192.168.0.40 or somesuch) |
| 22:19.54 | caphuso | NikiN: you don't need sudo for that. put it in /etc/fstab |
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| 22:20.24 | Zvpun | caphuso: Xsession is run by /bin/sh, why would Xsession depend on who it started? |
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| 22:20.32 | NikiN | i need to mount a SAMBA folder |
| 22:20.32 | seb- | I've seen trouble with stable I don't see with unstable so I'm confused |
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| 22:20.41 | NikiN | and that from a script |
| 22:21.03 | shadowcat | if you don't know what debian unstable/experimental is |
| 22:21.09 | shadowcat | you shouldn't be running packages from there |
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| 22:21.24 | nuskool | bazz: wouldn't it just make sense to use statically assigned IPs then? |
| 22:21.25 | caphuso | Zvpun: because it's no good if the X session user foo starts is completely owned by root |
| 22:21.26 | seb- | shadowcat: i know what it is and got unstable on some PCs |
| 22:21.38 | Azar | why am I getting errors on : $ dpkg-source -x mozilla-firefox1.0.7-1.dsc ? |
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| 22:21.55 | goron | shadowcat: You are being overcautious. Let people just read !unstable, they will learn sooner or later. |
| 22:21.58 | goron | !unstable |
| 22:21.58 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
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| 22:22.04 | lxIT | I've got some problems with Qt > I try to ./configure Superkaramba and I get "configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qt-mt) not found." > I've found "libqt-mt.so.3" in "/usr/share/qt3/lib/" |
| 22:22.12 | Zvpun | caphuso: so Xsession is run by root, is that correct? |
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| 22:22.18 | Kruz | i tried running a large combo of arpspoof, dsniff, webmitm, fragrouter, and tried to monitor tcpdump, but dsniff wasnt pulling out my webpasswords i was entering on my other pc |
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| 22:22.21 | caphuso | Zvpun: no, it's not |
| 22:22.23 | bazz | nuskool: no, because i'd like to get the dns stuff from the dhcp server |
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| 22:22.43 | nostur | Kruz: ettercap |
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| 22:22.45 | shadowcat | heh |
| 22:22.47 | shadowcat | the funny part |
| 22:22.48 | nuskool | bazz: do your dns servers change? |
| 22:22.48 | Kruz | is there another program, or using ettercap or ethereal that makes it easier |
| 22:22.52 | tr1gg3r | Kruz, u should be able to see encrypted packets if they are there and you are truely between the hosts having the encrypted communication, but see past the encryption, idont think, so, with some algs you could pretend to be one the host and get the secret but, you must be there for the session setup |
| 22:22.53 | Zvpun | caphuso: I dont understand you Xsession argument |
| 22:22.53 | shadowcat | goron couldn't get nvidia working |
| 22:22.59 | nuskool | bazz: ips I mean |
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| 22:23.03 | shadowcat | and he recommends experimental packages to people |
| 22:23.10 | bazz | nuskool: they do when i go from network to network (i use my laptop in a lot of different locations) |
| 22:23.10 | jade | anyway to know what a user root is typing on the terminal? e.g. i tried 'tail -f /root/.bash_history |
| 22:23.17 | nostur | Kruz: MITM with ettercap, ethereal and go go go! |
| 22:23.23 | seb- | shadowcat: but i'm not asking if i should run unstable...rather, I'm asking why *STABLE* has trouble with 2.6 kernel while *UNSTABLE* does not! |
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| 22:23.30 | bazz | nuskool: so i'd like to just be able to dhclient and have it work on whatever network i'm on |
| 22:23.31 | saloxin | bazz: dnsmasq can do it, it's also quite small |
| 22:23.37 | shadowcat | seb-: you weren't in this conversation :P |
| 22:23.45 | bazz | saloxin: ahh, so that's the one i need to look at :) thanks |
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| 22:23.48 | shadowcat | seb-: this was about goron recommending an experimental package to someone |
| 22:23.53 | Azar | $ apt-get source package, (mozilla-firefox) then $ dpkg-source -x mozilla-firefox1.0.7-1.dsc |
| 22:23.53 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.02 | nuskool | bazz: just be careful of ip conflicts when you do that |
| 22:24.03 | seb- | shadowcat: ah |
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| 22:24.10 | Kruz | nostur: i had been running ettercap and ethereal, but i was looking to pull out like gmail, hotmail passowrds etc, which are encrypted, or am i SOL with the encrypted PWs |
| 22:24.15 | shadowcat | seb-: which I think is really stupid |
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| 22:24.19 | bazz | nuskool: nod, thanks |
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| 22:24.24 | caphuso | Zvpun: well, then you need to sit down and go through how your display manager starts an X session, until you understand it |
| 22:24.24 | shadowcat | seb-: as for 2.6 in sarge, no problems here |
| 22:24.32 | shadowcat | uptime of over 100 days |
| 22:24.36 | shadowcat | no problems what so ever |
| 22:24.52 | Seb | anyway to automate the conversion form .doc to html from the command line, using openoffice ? |
| 22:24.52 | seb- | shadowcat: no problem /here/ either ...but *some* machines barf on it that *DON'T* barf on unstable! |
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| 22:25.01 | Seb | i'd rather not have to open it and do it manually for those 156 docs |
| 22:25.03 | Seb | :\ |
| 22:25.18 | shadowcat | sheesh |
| 22:25.22 | shadowcat | seb, seb- |
| 22:25.28 | Seb | i know |
| 22:25.30 | shadowcat | one of you change your nicks :P |
| 22:25.31 | Seb | i asked him to change |
| 22:25.35 | Seb | he doesn't give a damn |
| 22:25.37 | shadowcat | it's confusing like hell |
| 22:25.39 | seb- | shadowcat: yes? |
| 22:25.47 | seb- | Seb: maybe you need to change |
| 22:25.49 | One | shadowcat, ????? |
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| 22:25.59 | seb- | Seb: or else you don't give a damn. |
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| 22:26.07 | shadowcat | heh |
| 22:26.16 | Seb | mine is registered, punk, and is not derived from another one, by say adding a trailing - |
| 22:26.19 | Seb | anyway |
| 22:26.32 | Seb | so no one hot on ooffice command-line fu ? :) |
| 22:26.34 | shadowcat | well you're gonna confuse the hell out of people |
| 22:26.36 | seb- | Seb: mine is registered too punk |
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| 22:26.47 | shadowcat | seb: first off, .doc sucks |
| 22:26.54 | lxIT | I've got some problems with Qt > I try to ./configure Superkaramba and I get "configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qt-mt) not found." > I've found "libqt-mt.so.3" in "/usr/share/qt3/lib/" |
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| 22:26.56 | Seb | shadowcat: hence my willing to convert it to html :) |
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| 22:27.02 | shadowcat | secondly, you need to pray to some outdated diety to get that done |
| 22:27.38 | bazz | saloxin: got it, thanks |
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| 22:27.52 | Seb | seb-: oh well, I'll gladly live with the satisfaction of knowing that you have seb- just cause you can't have seb |
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| 22:28.03 | shadowcat | he left |
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| 22:28.31 | Seb | haha |
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| 22:28.59 | saloxin | bazz: :-) it's a dream to configure compared to dhcp from isc |
| 22:29.15 | Azar | bleh it will refuse to build: depencencies/conflicts unsatisfied |
| 22:29.22 | bazz | saloxin: yeah, super simple |
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| 22:29.34 | Azar | 3 hours for nothing crap |
| 22:29.35 | azeem | lxIT: you need the -dev library (.a) as well |
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| 22:29.54 | shadowcat | !tell Azar about auto-apt |
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| 22:30.15 | zinx | Azar: what are you trying to build? |
| 22:30.15 | jlmb | !tell jlmb about auto-apt |
| 22:30.25 | lxIT | azeem: That should be this one: libqt3-mt-dev |
| 22:30.32 | shadowcat | heh |
| 22:30.37 | shadowcat | I always install libqt3-mt-dev |
| 22:30.41 | Azar | thank you shadowcat, zinx, eh I was trying to use a newer firefox version on Sarge, but it is too much trouble |
| 22:30.45 | saloxin | Seb: you can have a look at wv, which can convert .doc on cmdline. not from oo though |
| 22:30.47 | shadowcat | I'm addicted to make xconfig |
| 22:30.52 | eleckttruss | hello |
| 22:30.58 | lxIT | I got an error on apt-getting libqt3-mt-dev |
| 22:31.06 | zinx | Azar: you'd have to have all the build deps, some of which may not exist in sarge |
| 22:31.07 | shadowcat | Azar: there is no new version of firefox for sarge |
| 22:31.09 | shadowcat | and never will |
| 22:31.15 | marculix | Someone from Singapore here? |
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| 22:31.20 | Azar | right |
| 22:31.21 | saloxin | jlmb: /query dpkg your keyword :-) |
| 22:31.26 | Lorian | X was working on my system prior to last night. I get a mouse error now: "/dev/input/mice No such device." lsusb shows my mouse in the list. Can someone give me a suggestion? |
| 22:31.33 | eleckttruss | i have one problem |
| 22:31.39 | shadowcat | Lorian: you broke udev |
| 22:31.47 | Lorian | What is udev? |
| 22:31.57 | lxIT | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libxrandr-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not goingto be installed [...] |
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| 22:32.11 | Azar | now how could i remove all this trash? 4 files in root mozilla-firefox-1.0.7, the same .diff.gz and the .dsc. and the orig.tar.gz |
| 22:32.12 | shadowcat | the package that's responsible for creating /dev/input/mice |
| 22:32.17 | azeem | lxIT: are you running unstable? |
| 22:32.21 | compDo | is there a tool to display all available modes (resolution) my video card supports? |
| 22:32.35 | Azar | fighting dependencies is not worth having the latest version of something on Debian |
| 22:32.39 | shadowcat | compDo: manual |
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| 22:32.49 | eleckttruss | compDo, you need kismet? |
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| 22:32.49 | grunx | hi |
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| 22:33.03 | jlmb | saloxin: oh, thanks. although it's cool to speak on third person :D |
| 22:33.03 | lxIT | azeem: nope, I run sarge, but I installed OpenOffice 2 from unstable... So I suppose that screwed up the system, nope? |
| 22:33.12 | azeem | lxIT: could be |
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| 22:33.23 | PDani | hi |
| 22:33.24 | zinx | Azar: stuff you get with 'apt-get source' isn't managed; just delete it |
| 22:33.27 | Lorian | shadowcat: should I try to apt-get the package again? |
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| 22:33.50 | shadowcat | lxIT: do you know how to run unstable? |
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| 22:34.09 | shadowcat | I'm betting OOo dragged in the latest udev |
| 22:34.14 | shadowcat | which threw out hotplug |
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| 22:34.22 | shadowcat | and he's running a < 2.6.12 kernel |
| 22:34.28 | nostur | hi, i have a problem, eveytime, iam lsitening to music, and then exit the program, and i wanna listen again, it tells me, that device is in us by another program... |
| 22:34.30 | shadowcat | which means he's running 2.6 without udev |
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| 22:34.35 | shadowcat | aka he's in deep trouble |
| 22:34.40 | lxIT | shadowcat: As Manuel said: "I know nothing" |
| 22:34.58 | Lorian | shadowcat: I am running 2.6... should I get rid of udev then? |
| 22:35.02 | PDani | i need a shell command which prints out the n. (where n is a parameter) line of stdin to stdout |
| 22:35.03 | zinx | shadowcat: he was in deep trouble at "I run sarge" ... "installed from unstable" |
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| 22:35.15 | azeem | lxIT: it would be better to install the OpenOffice 2 backport for sarge and stay with sarge otherwise |
| 22:35.22 | shadowcat | lxIT: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.14.2-i686 |
| 22:35.25 | shadowcat | reboot |
| 22:35.26 | shadowcat | and pray |
| 22:35.36 | shadowcat | azeem: too late, he can't downgrade |
| 22:35.42 | shadowcat | OOo upgraded half his system |
| 22:35.48 | Seb | saloxin: thanks man |
| 22:35.48 | shadowcat | if he wants sarge again he's gonna have to reinstall |
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| 22:36.05 | jonas3 | SID works great no reason to run sarge |
| 22:36.14 | shadowcat | !beat jonas3 |
| 22:36.14 | lxIT | shadowcat: and that would be the third time in 2 months :D |
| 22:36.34 | shadowcat | half the stuff in sid is broken |
| 22:36.37 | shadowcat | KDE is in transition |
| 22:36.44 | shadowcat | stuff in gnome segfaults |
| 22:36.51 | jonas3 | I have used sid for 4 years on both laptops and servers. Never had any problems. |
| 22:37.01 | shadowcat | half the third party apps for either wm have conflicting dependencies |
| 22:37.08 | shadowcat | jonas3: yes we know how to run sid |
| 22:37.09 | shadowcat | they don't |
| 22:37.19 | lxIT | Is there any chance that this will be fixed as soon as OO2 is in stable? |
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| 22:37.28 | shadowcat | there's a way to run sid so that you don't get apt throwing out half your packages because of a dependency problem |
| 22:37.37 | shadowcat | lxIT: it'll NEVER be in sarge |
| 22:37.39 | shadowcat | end of story |
| 22:37.54 | shadowcat | it'll be in etch, whenever that gets released |
| 22:37.54 | Duelist | lxIT: once a version of stable is released, only bugfixes go in it |
| 22:38.01 | astronut | what's the metapacakge for x? |
| 22:38.02 | Duelist | so the version in sarge stays 1.1 |
| 22:38.05 | shadowcat | which will probably be before after WWIII |
| 22:38.15 | lxIT | Damned... I thought there were updates of some packages also |
| 22:38.18 | shadowcat | astronut: x-window-system-core |
| 22:38.29 | astronut | shadowcat: thank you |
| 22:38.29 | azeem | lxIT: see backports.org |
| 22:38.34 | nuskool | I love batch processing |
| 22:38.39 | Duelist | shadowcat: about conflicts... that's what aptitude and its resolver is for |
| 22:38.43 | Duelist | I wish synaptic had that too |
| 22:38.48 | astronut | the kde transition is screwing this up...i have to reinstall my box and some things are uninstallable |
| 22:39.08 | shadowcat | Duelist: the problem is that when you install a conflicting package with aptitude |
| 22:39.22 | shadowcat | it says "hmm.... ok I need to throw this out to get that installed" |
| 22:39.34 | shadowcat | however, sometimes "this" means all of gnome |
| 22:39.34 | lxIT | shadowcat: sorry, is my own fault... I didn't like Suse and I just tried Debian & I liked it... |
| 22:39.35 | tr1gg3r | Kruz, u r sol |
| 22:39.42 | Duelist | shadowcat: are you using the old version of aptitude without the resolver? |
| 22:39.49 | Duelist | or do you not know how to use the resolver? |
| 22:39.52 | shadowcat | Duelist: no I'm using the latest one |
| 22:39.59 | shadowcat | yeah I do |
| 22:40.03 | Duelist | because the resolver always gives you the option of just uninstalling that package |
| 22:40.07 | Duelist | or not installing I should say |
| 22:40.08 | lxIT | Shaµ |
| 22:40.08 | shadowcat | I just had a weekend of fun sorting out conflicting KDE packages |
| 22:40.21 | shadowcat | Duelist: yes I know |
| 22:40.22 | Duelist | and there are ways to coerce the resolver into doing what you want when it's possible |
| 22:40.32 | shadowcat | Duelist: in this case it isn't possible :P |
| 22:40.40 | shadowcat | which comes back to stuff being broken in sid |
| 22:40.44 | shadowcat | horribly so |
| 22:40.52 | Duelist | do what I do now, stick to testing |
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| 22:41.00 | lxIT | shadowcat: going to unstable might be an option... |
| 22:41.05 | shadowcat | you can't get KDE installed in testing either |
| 22:41.06 | Duelist | I have very few things from sid installed but that will change as stuff makes it out of sid into testing |
| 22:41.20 | Duelist | shadowcat: really? |
| 22:41.24 | shadowcat | nope |
| 22:41.27 | Zvpun | caphuso: I am giving up. Is .xsession the only way to read user environment? |
| 22:41.33 | shadowcat | KDE is broken in testing and unstable |
| 22:41.38 | Guerin | !undelete |
| 22:41.43 | Duelist | fuck. I can't get marillat's indexes to update |
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| 22:41.57 | shadowcat | Duelist: and let me tell you |
| 22:42.04 | shadowcat | sorting out kde dependencies by hand |
| 22:42.05 | Guerin | ~undelete |
| 22:42.06 | apt | well, undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc |
| 22:42.06 | shadowcat | is NO fun |
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| 22:42.12 | rabidphage | !list |
| 22:42.12 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to rabidphage@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 22:42.15 | Duelist | shadowcat: that's why I use the resolver to help. |
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| 22:42.25 | shadowcat | Duelist: it's not smart enough |
| 22:42.26 | Duelist | teehee |
| 22:42.36 | shadowcat | I had to go in and select individual kde apps |
| 22:42.36 | Guerin | dpkg, undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc |
| 22:42.37 | dpkg | Guerin: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 22:42.42 | shadowcat | following a list off packages.debian.org |
| 22:42.43 | Duelist | okay a week ago KDE was installable in sid |
| 22:42.43 | Azar | guys thanks for the help I am finally out of this firefox upgrade mess |
| 22:42.46 | Duelist | so I already have it |
| 22:42.49 | Guerin | dpkg, \undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc |
| 22:42.49 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 22:42.58 | shadowcat | so now I'm only missing kig and k3b |
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| 22:43.05 | Guerin | just think! |
| 22:43.09 | shadowcat | wait, kaffeine as well |
| 22:43.12 | Guerin | you could be free of kde entirely! |
| 22:43.13 | shadowcat | but I got the rest of it |
| 22:43.13 | rabidphage | ! |
| 22:43.19 | saloxin | Guerin: true for journaled filesystems like ext3? |
| 22:43.20 | Guerin | what an opportunity you're missing... |
| 22:43.24 | Guerin | saloxin: no. |
| 22:43.27 | shadowcat | Guerin: oh shut up |
| 22:43.29 | shadowcat | I like kde :P |
| 22:43.39 | Guerin | shadowcat: you poor bastard |
| 22:43.43 | eleckttruss | l |
| 22:43.47 | Duelist | what version of KDE are you trying to upgrade to? |
| 22:43.53 | rabidphage | !list |
| 22:43.53 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to rabidphage@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 22:44.02 | licued2 | hey |
| 22:44.03 | shadowcat | Duelist: KDE in unstable is wedged between 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 |
| 22:44.08 | licued2 | one good with getops? |
| 22:44.13 | shadowcat | well... actually 3.4.3 is complete |
| 22:44.20 | shadowcat | except that one part conflicts with the other |
| 22:44.20 | Azar | so the final question and lesson I learned today: until Etch goes out official, there will not be an upgraded Firefox ? |
| 22:44.27 | rabidphage | y do people code rude bots? |
| 22:44.33 | shadowcat | kde from etch is missing kde-amusements and kdeaddons |
| 22:44.50 | shadowcat | Azar: if you're running stable, no |
| 22:45.01 | saloxin | Azar: if backports.org gets in shape it might show up there |
| 22:45.01 | Azar | ok thanks shadowcat |
| 22:45.17 | Guerin | dpkg, \undelete is also doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 22:45.18 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 22:46.28 | shadowcat | Guerin: the problem is that KDE > Gnome ui wise |
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| 22:46.32 | shadowcat | all bashing aside |
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| 22:47.03 | outlaw84 | how do I start an extra X sescion ? |
| 22:47.30 | shadowcat | outlaw84: create another xorg.conf file |
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| 22:47.34 | shadowcat | and another virtual terminal |
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| 22:47.53 | Guerin | shadowcat: only marginally |
| 22:48.16 | Guerin | hrm, my mc doesn't appear to have an undelete function |
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| 22:48.31 | Zvpun | caphuso: 99xfree86-common_start should run exec -l $SHELL -c "$STARTUP" |
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| 22:51.24 | outlaw84 | shadowcat: where am I suppose to put this extra xorg.conf? |
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| 22:52.07 | outlaw84 | I could starta a new x session by 'export display=:1' and the startx but I got my usuall desktop |
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| 22:54.22 | Genghis_ | anyone knows why iptables stops logging dropped packets to /var/log/kernel.log after +/- 20mins? |
| 22:54.27 | psychonate | I have backups of my /etc/init.d/rc and rcS scripts. If I play with the scripts and mess them up, I can always move the copies back to fix everything up, right? I mean, there shouldn't be any danger as long as I have the copies? |
| 22:55.22 | shadowcat | psychonate: err |
| 22:55.31 | shadowcat | you could mess them up so badly that you never get to a terminal |
| 22:55.32 | JRWR-BNC | till your computer blows up |
| 22:55.45 | Gnea | Genghis_: because there are no more dropped packets being passed |
| 22:56.10 | psychonate | shadowcat, but I could always use a live disk to copy them back over |
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| 22:56.28 | shadowcat | psychonate: I'd rather be doing it in user mode linux |
| 22:56.30 | shadowcat | but that's just me |
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| 22:57.00 | bartden | hi, when i run nmbd i get this output Samba server ROUTER is now a domain master browser for workgroup DENOTTE on subnet 192.168.1.1, witch is good, but my windows XP clients are on 192.168.2.100 - 200 , can they join this PDC |
| 22:57.14 | psychonate | shadowcat, ah, I just got a safer idea. I was going to try this patch out on them. Instead, maybe I should copy copy the scripts and run the patch on the copies first. |
| 22:57.31 | psychonate | s/copy// |
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| 22:57.48 | shadowcat | psychonate: it's your system to screw up |
| 22:57.50 | shadowcat | :) |
| 22:57.58 | psychonate | haha ty |
| 22:58.08 | andihit | n8! |
| 22:58.11 | Gnea | bartden: well that depends, did you set samba up to be a domain controller? |
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| 22:58.27 | Guerin | so, has anyone actually managed to USE mc's undelete functionality? |
| 22:59.10 | Guerin | the documentation doesn't appear to coorrelate to how the thing actually works |
| 22:59.10 | JRWR-BNC | i have once |
| 22:59.10 | Guerin | as in |
| 22:59.11 | JRWR-BNC | well |
| 22:59.11 | JRWR-BNC | it failed |
| 22:59.11 | JRWR-BNC | very badly |
| 22:59.20 | bartden | Gnea yes its a PDC |
| 22:59.22 | Guerin | i try to chdir undel:/dev/sda1; and it gives "no such file or dir" |
| 22:59.59 | Gnea | bartden: can you point any of the wintendos at \\192.168.1.1\ in explorer? |
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| 23:01.00 | tania | hola |
| 23:01.06 | Genghis_ | Gnea: yes there are |
| 23:01.15 | tania | hola |
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| 23:01.54 | tania | hola a todos |
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| 23:04.07 | lightbright | hello |
| 23:04.09 | lightbright | I have 2 VOB files 1 gig in size and want to edit them , cut etc! How can I do this please? |
| 23:04.46 | psychonate | argh, the patch didn't work :( |
| 23:04.48 | Guerin | lightbright: apt-cache search video editor |
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| 23:05.38 | lightbright | Guerin: cool thanks |
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| 23:05.50 | unique | i am trying to install bandwidthd and it tells me "configure: error: Bandwidthd requires but cannot libpng" and i do have libpng.. |
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| 23:07.06 | Jae | im getting this message with phpsysinfo "'/proc/net/dev' not readable" can anyone help me out? |
| 23:07.29 | azeem | Jae: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:07.37 | Jae | view phpsysinfo |
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| 23:07.47 | Jae | azeem, http://system.e107hosting.com |
| 23:08.13 | stew | Jae: is this running in a chroot? |
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| 23:08.22 | andax | unique: most likely you don't have libpng3-dev package |
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| 23:08.48 | Jae | stew, you mean the entire system? no its not |
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| 23:09.01 | stew | Jae: no i mean apache |
| 23:09.20 | nostur | what the best game for debian? :) |
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| 23:09.23 | psychonate | Has anyone gotten his progress bar to work in bootsplash? |
| 23:09.25 | Jae | stew, im not sure, plesk 7 reloaded is installed, which basicly takes over apache |
| 23:09.50 | Kruz | anyone know how, in ettercap, to get SSL/HTTPS passwords, i hear its possible, but im stuck |
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| 23:10.33 | nuskool | nostur: it's called "write a threaded x-server" |
| 23:10.40 | stew | Jae: does "ls -l /proc/net/dev" show the file as 444? |
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| 23:11.19 | Jae | stew, -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 6 23:11 /proc/net/dev |
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| 23:11.39 | stew | Jae: then it is readable |
| 23:11.40 | m0se5 | Which debian package contains the program, "less"? For example: lsmod | less |
| 23:11.47 | stew | m0se5: less |
| 23:12.01 | azeem | m0se5: packages.debian.org has a search facility for questions like these |
| 23:12.03 | clojster | how can I set LC_ALL and together with it have LC_MESSAGES different from value of LC_ALL? |
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| 23:12.26 | Jae | stew, how to make it readable? |
| 23:12.37 | goku0230 | :) |
| 23:12.40 | stew | Jae: it is readable |
| 23:12.56 | Jae | stew, You know what it could be? |
| 23:12.59 | m0se5 | grr... I was looking right at it.... Thanks guys. sorry for wasting your time.... |
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| 23:13.07 | stew | Jae: i would guess that apache is running chrooted |
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| 23:13.19 | Jae | stew, and how to check? |
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| 23:13.37 | stew | Jae: look at how apache is being started |
| 23:13.41 | nadjyla | hello |
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| 23:13.57 | Jae | stew, www-data 26914 9568 TS 24 23:07 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
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| 23:14.11 | Guerin | ok, failing undelete, do vfat fsk-like utilities exist in debian? |
| 23:14.20 | Guerin | scandisk, or something? |
| 23:14.29 | azeem | dosfstools? |
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| 23:14.37 | Guerin | ah, of course |
| 23:14.50 | azeem | Maintainer: Roman Hodek <roman@hodek.net> |
| 23:14.52 | azeem | whoa |
| 23:14.58 | azeem | greetings from the 90s |
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| 23:15.46 | Guerin | no matter where i copy it to, or what I call it, this one particular textfile just won't be seen by my iKillah |
| 23:15.58 | stew | Jae: that doesn't really say much, you should probably be asking in a plesk related channel or something |
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| 23:16.50 | Jae | well, i have fedoracore on another box same setup withplesk, and phpsysinfo works fine.. |
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| 23:19.35 | lightbright | has anyone here edited a VOB file |
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| 23:20.18 | azeem | 00:00 < Guerin> lightbright: apt-cache search video editor |
| 23:21.10 | lightbright | azeem: I did that :P |
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| 23:22.18 | bessel | I changed the 'search' line in resolv.conf, but why every time system reboots it is changed back? thanks |
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| 23:22.35 | azeem | bessel: DHCP does that |
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| 23:23.08 | azeem | bessel: you need to configure dhclient accordingly, you can tell him to use a specific nameserver rather than the one DHCP tells it, I think |
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| 23:23.37 | bessel | azeem: could you please tell me how to configure the dhcp client? |
| 23:23.59 | azeem | bessel: no time right now, sorry |
| 23:24.38 | jbroome | or tell it not to pull dns server info from dhcp server |
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| 23:25.02 | Guerin | lightbright: everything you ened to know about video files is at doom9.org |
| 23:25.10 | stew | Jae: phpsysinfo works fine on my debian boxes here |
| 23:25.14 | bessel | azeem: thanks any way. |
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| 23:25.24 | stew | Jae: how do you restart apache? |
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| 23:25.48 | Jae | stew, Plesk 7 reloaded is isntalled on this box |
| 23:25.53 | Kruz | e |
| 23:26.06 | stew | Jae: you need to figure out what it does when it starts apache |
| 23:26.09 | peritus | stew: /etc/init.d/apache restart or /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 23:26.16 | stew | peritus: i doubt it |
| 23:26.22 | peritus | oh, sorry |
| 23:26.38 | peritus | i read "how do I ..." |
| 23:26.44 | stew | :) |
| 23:26.50 | peritus | <-- too tired |
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| 23:27.36 | nuskool | anyone tell me what I need to apt-get for aclocal? |
| 23:28.06 | Guerin | !aclocal |
| 23:28.06 | nostur | nuskool: apt-cache search aclocal |
| 23:28.24 | nostur | Anyone here compiled the Quake 3 arena? |
| 23:28.28 | deadcat | Guerin: want to see my laser printer? |
| 23:28.40 | Guerin | deadcat: no |
| 23:28.43 | deadcat | hahah |
| 23:28.44 | nostur | lofl |
| 23:28.48 | Guerin | deadcat: i hate printers with a passion |
| 23:28.51 | nuskool | thanks nostur |
| 23:28.53 | deadcat | (= |
| 23:28.54 | nostur | np |
| 23:28.55 | Guerin | if I never see another one, it'll be too soon |
| 23:28.56 | deadcat | Guerin: LASER |
| 23:29.05 | Guerin | deadcat: bullet |
| 23:29.09 | deadcat | )= |
| 23:29.13 | nostur | phew, i have ultra-phaser printing system |
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| 23:30.18 | ChrisH | Do I need some magic knowledge to install Plone on Sarge? I installed the "plone" meta package, created a zope instance and am logged into the management interface. But I can't create a simple plone site. Half of the packages suggested by the meta package are not existing in Sarge. Any pointers? |
| 23:30.37 | lightbright | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:31.02 | nuskool | ok, now that I downloaded the package for aclocal, why when I try to run an autogen.sh does it say that it cannot find aclocal? |
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| 23:32.32 | stew | nuskool: what package did you install? |
| 23:32.32 | SDFH_Linux | can someone help with apt-get problem please |
| 23:32.39 | stew | nuskool: and what are you trying to compile? |
| 23:32.42 | nuskool | libguile-dev |
| 23:32.50 | stew | nuskool: apt-get build-dep libguile-dev |
| 23:32.51 | nuskool | e17 modules |
| 23:32.52 | nostur | Anyone here compiled the Quake 3 arena? |
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| 23:33.01 | stew | SDFH_Linux: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 23:33.06 | SDFH_Linux | i get an error about dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:33.11 | SDFH_Linux | how i fix? |
| 23:33.17 | nuskool | I'm not trying to build libguile though |
| 23:33.23 | stew | SDFH_Linux: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 23:33.26 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 23:33.31 | stew | nuskool: apt-get build-dep libguile |
| 23:33.39 | stew | nuskool: why are you compiling it? |
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| 23:33.54 | nuskool | i'm NOT trying to build libguile |
| 23:33.54 | daha | helo. had anyone already done the linux kernel 2.6.14.3 configuration with the qt libs (make xconfig) on his debian etch installation? if so, then what did you do that the config script has found the qt installation? resp. which packets did you install for it? |
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| 23:34.01 | nuskool | I'm trying to build e17 modules |
| 23:34.06 | SDFH_Linux | hmm i tried that this morning and either i didnt know what i was doing or i didnt do it right |
| 23:34.18 | stew | nuskool: what package did you install to get aclocal? |
| 23:34.27 | Guerin | well, look at that |
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| 23:34.37 | Guerin | it shows up if I rename it to 'badgers.txt' |
| 23:34.47 | Guerin | i knew badgers were magical! |
| 23:34.57 | nostur | :) |
| 23:35.04 | nostur | use phasing laser |
| 23:35.05 | stew | daha: look at the Suggests: for linux-source packages |
| 23:35.07 | nuskool | libguile-dev |
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| 23:36.00 | stew | is he saying that he installed libguile-dev to get aclocal? cuz that would be misguided |
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| 23:38.52 | roler | I can't wait for debian to update firefox and wish to use 1.5 myself. right now I have mozilla-browser and mozilla-firefox installed. it wont let me remove mozilla-browser due to yelp/gnome. Is there a way to actually remove it and make debian happy? Or am I stuck with it. |
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| 23:39.33 | Guerin | roler: why remove it? just install a static binary from mozilla.org in your homedir or in /opt/ and use that instead |
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| 23:41.04 | roler | guerin; because it clutters up my hard drive. :) |
| 23:41.31 | roler | Guerin, ; is that what the /opt/ is for? I've always wondered that |
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| 23:41.56 | Chance | hi i have installed postgres but libpq++.so is missing |
| 23:42.01 | Guerin | roler: yeah, /opt/ is for stuff you install from outside your OS's official things |
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| 23:42.34 | stew | nuskool: you want one of the automake packages to get aclocal |
| 23:42.39 | Chance | anyone can tell me what do i have to install to get the libpq++? |
| 23:42.41 | roler | Guerin, ; i always used /usr/local for that... whats the diff? |
| 23:42.48 | nuskool | stew:?? |
| 23:42.58 | Guerin | roler: they're subtly different. |
| 23:43.23 | Guerin | roler: you could use /usr/local if you like. the difference is explained in the FHS and LSP specs |
| 23:43.31 | Chance | anyone ? |
| 23:43.33 | Guerin | but you'll have to REALLY care to look them up there |
| 23:43.33 | stew | nuskool: if you are compiling something and its complaining that you dont have aclocal, you must install one of the automake packages, libguile-dev was not the correct package for you to install |
| 23:43.37 | Guerin | that's some dry sht |
| 23:43.48 | Guerin | Chance: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:44.09 | nuskool | stew: I tried it with automake installed too, any other suggestions? |
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| 23:44.20 | roler | Guerin, ;heh. and where are those? |
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| 23:44.34 | Guerin | roler: on teh intarwebs |
| 23:44.44 | Guerin | roler: google will bring them up, i don't know offhand |
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| 23:45.24 | stew | nuskool: autoconf or autoconf2.13 |
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| 23:47.06 | roler | guerin; oh well :) |
| 23:47.10 | roler | Guerin, ; thanks though |
| 23:47.12 | stew | nuskool: or you might have the wrong automake, which did you install |
| 23:47.15 | nuskool | stew: still nothing |
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| 23:47.37 | nuskool | automake1.4 |
| 23:47.39 | Jacobo221 | why does aptitude very frequently keep packages back when running upgrade? apt-get didn't |
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| 23:48.24 | stew | nuskool: remove that and install automake1.9 |
| 23:48.28 | nostur | Kubuntu is debian based, no |
| 23:48.39 | Guerin | nostur: no |
| 23:48.40 | stew | nuskool: it is |
| 23:48.45 | Guerin | nostur: it's ubunut-based |
| 23:48.49 | Guerin | ubuntu, even |
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| 23:48.52 | nostur | :) |
| 23:49.07 | thingfish | I like ubunut better. :) |
| 23:49.09 | nostur | i want quake3, but iam not able to compile it :( |
| 23:49.21 | Guerin | nostur: complain to id software |
| 23:49.37 | nostur | guerin: complain to mine idiocy |
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| 23:49.45 | Guerin | nostur: that was a given |
| 23:49.47 | MrPrimate | hey can anyone recommend a proxy server? |
| 23:49.56 | MrPrimate | I want to set up a socks proxy to allow me to connect to AIM through |
| 23:50.03 | aarkerio | Hi! since some months a go I see some "movie tutorials" getting the console comands to movie, wich program do this? |
| 23:50.16 | nostur | Mcprimate: try gate1.arcus9.cz:8080 |
| 23:50.23 | aarkerio | MrPrimate, well, the best is squid |
| 23:50.25 | MrPrimate | nostur, but I want to set up my own proxy |
| 23:50.31 | nuskool | apt can't find automake1.9 |
| 23:50.32 | nostur | oh |
| 23:50.37 | nostur | Privoxy to linux |
| 23:50.40 | nostur | or wait |
| 23:50.44 | azeem | nuskool: then try automake1.8 |
| 23:50.46 | nostur | i cant remember name |
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| 23:51.01 | stew | !info automake1.9 stable |
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| 23:51.07 | roler | Guerin, ; i can't find it on google, and now it's bothering me... heh... is the difference mainly different distrobutions/linux-unix ? |
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| 23:51.13 | nuskool | nope, nor 1.7 |
| 23:51.23 | stew | nuskool: are you running debian? what version? |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | 1.7 is in sarge i'm pretty darn shure |
| 23:51.28 | abrotman | sure |
| 23:51.28 | stew | 1.9 is |
| 23:51.37 | nuskool | debian |
| 23:51.39 | nostur | McPrimate: privxy for linux |
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| 23:51.45 | nuskool | testing version |
| 23:52.01 | MrPrimate | I think I will try squid, and then privxy |
| 23:52.09 | dpkg | automake1.9: (A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.9.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 493 kB, Installed size: 1564 kB |
| 23:52.11 | stew | nuskool: automake1.{4-9} are all definately in testing |
| 23:52.16 | abrotman | nuskool: apt-cache search automake .. shows what ? |
| 23:52.35 | nuskool | it shows it |
| 23:52.36 | aarkerio | MrPrimate, the easy is tinyproxy, just 80 and 443 ports |
| 23:52.42 | abrotman | nuskool: and did you install it ? |
| 23:52.49 | nuskool | but when I try to apt-get install automake=1.9 nothing |
| 23:52.50 | stew | i lied, automake{4,7-9} are in testing |
| 23:52.56 | Guerin | roler: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ http://www.linuxbase.org/ |
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| 23:53.17 | abrotman | update-alternatives --list automake |
| 23:53.27 | stew | nuskool: apt-get install automake1.9 not automake=1.9 |
| 23:53.28 | MrPrimate | nostur, I can't even find privxy |
| 23:53.32 | deadcat | how do i know whos hostings www.gwfund.com (dns) |
| 23:53.37 | nuskool | ahh |
| 23:53.40 | nuskool | that may be it |
| 23:53.44 | Guerin | deadcat: dig |
| 23:53.51 | deadcat | k |
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| 23:54.37 | nostur | privoxy |
| 23:54.41 | jcurry | i don't have a /dev/usb directory, but i have a usb printer plugged in...lsusb doesn't show it, but kde's kinfocenter does...how do i fix it? i am using 2.6.14, and latest sid |
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| 23:57.37 | roler | Guerin, ;thanks man |
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| 23:59.06 | abrotman | deadcat: netcraft.com for the lazy |
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