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| 00:00.11 | deadcat | abrotman: k |
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| 00:03.25 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:03.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:03.52 | nostur | if i have *.run how should i run it? |
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| 00:04.12 | abrotman | ./blah.run |
| 00:04.16 | nostur | thx |
| 00:04.21 | abrotman | nostur: nvidia drivers ? |
| 00:04.35 | nostur | quake 3 arena point release :D :D |
| 00:04.38 | nostur | lool |
| 00:04.43 | abrotman | oh .. putz |
| 00:04.49 | nostur | ? |
| 00:04.55 | SDFH_Linux | cant fix my apt-get error |
| 00:04.59 | SDFH_Linux | map thing |
| 00:05.07 | nostur | post error |
| 00:05.08 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 00:05.08 | dpkg | hmm... dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
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| 00:05.17 | SDFH_Linux | tried it |
| 00:05.32 | SDFH_Linux | and either i did it wrong or its not working for me |
| 00:05.33 | crackhead | does anyone know how to set the term for screen? |
| 00:05.40 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: up the value again |
| 00:05.51 | SDFH_Linux | tried that once let me do it again |
| 00:06.12 | nostur | geez, i forget |
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| 00:06.19 | nostur | M00!! |
| 00:06.27 | jcurry | i don't have a /dev/usb directory, but i have a usb printer plugged in...lsusb doesn't show it, but kde's kinfocenter does...how do i fix it? i am using 2.6.14, and latest sid |
| 00:06.28 | abrotman | !dynamic mmap |
| 00:06.28 | dpkg | methinks dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 00:06.59 | bushito | what was the command to see all that one person have wroten |
| 00:07.00 | bushito | ? |
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| 00:07.18 | SDFH_Linux | same problem abrotman |
| 00:07.28 | SDFH_Linux | i got a feeling i am not doing this right |
| 00:07.49 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: do you need a woman to help ? |
| 00:07.54 | nostur | lmao |
| 00:08.09 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 00:08.14 | lightbright | it seems Debian is unable to edit or convert a VOB file to AVI :( too bad |
| 00:08.14 | patbrugge | Hey |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: what is in your apt.conf file ? |
| 00:08.37 | patbrugge | and what if you use a program like dvdrip? |
| 00:08.56 | lightbright | patbrugge: it saves as VOB |
| 00:09.00 | patbrugge | lightbright: erm dvdrip cant do that? |
| 00:09.01 | thingfish | lightbright: well maybe you shouldn't be being naughty and ripping DVDs. |
| 00:09.14 | lightbright | thingfish: lol |
| 00:09.18 | SDFH_Linux | a file called 70debconf |
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| 00:09.32 | lightbright | thingfish: indeed, but this is a dvd of me in a short film we created :) |
| 00:09.38 | patbrugge | lightbright: ahh ok not used it yet so no idea |
| 00:09.38 | Guerin | lightbright: mpeg encoders aren't in debian because they're patent-encumbered |
| 00:09.39 | thingfish | oh cool |
| 00:09.49 | lightbright | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 00:09.53 | Guerin | lightbright: err, s/^/many/ |
| 00:09.57 | deadcat | i have dns runninf for my domain and subdomain. do i have to wait for my ISP to update? we just had a new ip changed. |
| 00:10.01 | lightbright | Guerin: s/^/many/? |
| 00:10.13 | patbrugge | Guerin: But you can get them elsewhere ;) |
| 00:10.27 | tahpot | where in debian do i configure smtp? I can connect and send stuff at localhost, but the messages don't seem to move onto my ISP |
| 00:10.27 | Guerin | lightbright: man 6 regexp |
| 00:10.32 | Guerin | goddamnit |
| 00:10.37 | Guerin | man 7 regexp |
| 00:10.55 | Guerin | tahpot: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 00:11.14 | lightbright | Guerin: No manual entry for regexp in section 7 |
| 00:11.21 | tahpot | guerin: thx |
| 00:11.41 | Guerin | deadcat: yes, you'll need to wait until both the nameserver updates, and until the clients' dns caches expire |
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| 00:11.52 | Guerin | lightbright: regex, sorry |
| 00:12.05 | abrotman | Guerin: give up now :) |
| 00:12.09 | pureone | hi just doing a netinstall on my laptop and it just over heated... ive never seen it get so hot before, any idea on what to do to stop it from over heating |
| 00:12.25 | deadcat | Guerin: know how long? because we need it up asap. should be up few hours ago )= |
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| 00:12.45 | nostur | lol egoboo has 000fps :D |
| 00:12.58 | somakoma | k3v1n0gfgggg#äöfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:13.01 | abrotman | that's funny ? |
| 00:13.05 | Guerin | deadcat: depends on dns servers and clients |
| 00:13.08 | lightbright | Guerin: ok :) |
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| 00:13.15 | Guerin | deadcat: if you've updated it, you've done all you can |
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| 00:13.17 | lightbright | patbrugge: you think dvdrip saves is avi? |
| 00:13.22 | litage | what does the 2nd colum in ``ls -l'' mean? ie: the "3" here: drwxr-sr-t 3 root root 4096 2005-12-07 10:11 . |
| 00:13.46 | abrotman | deadcat: what was the TTL when you switched ? |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | man ls ? |
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| 00:14.02 | SDFH_Linux | eh i still cant get this to work |
| 00:14.02 | nostur | its any pssibility of boosting GL? mine is kinda slow |
| 00:14.05 | somakoma | pooiizukjfjfkjfjk |
| 00:14.10 | litage | abrotman: can't find it in the manpage |
| 00:14.13 | Guerin | litage: info coreutils ls |
| 00:14.14 | somakoma | sorry... wrong keyboard |
| 00:14.34 | thingfish | :/ |
| 00:14.35 | litage | thanks Guerin |
| 00:14.40 | abrotman | nostur: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 00:14.45 | deadcat | abrotman: dont know man )= |
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| 00:15.01 | nostur | thz |
| 00:15.03 | nostur | thx |
| 00:15.10 | abrotman | deadcat: that's how long you have |
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| 00:15.25 | nostur | abrotman: yes or no, whats better |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | nostur: i'm asking the questions .. what does it say ? |
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| 00:15.56 | Parallax_ | how do I find a specific text on a directory full of txt's ? |
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| 00:16.02 | abrotman | litage: i'm sure it's in there .. but vague :) |
| 00:16.03 | nuskool | hahah... debian.org kernel compiling howto, reasons for compiling a new kernel: impress your friends, try new things |
| 00:16.07 | abrotman | Parallax_: grep |
| 00:16.10 | Guerin | Parallax_: man find, man grep |
| 00:16.24 | nostur | abrotman: Direct rendering: Yes |
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| 00:16.34 | abrotman | nostur: and what is your video card ? |
| 00:16.38 | Parallax_ | something more specific, please |
| 00:16.46 | nostur | abrotman: Intel xtreme 2 |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | nostur: how many FPS in your little game ? |
| 00:17.08 | Parallax_ | how do I use find inside a file |
| 00:17.10 | Parallax_ | ? |
| 00:17.20 | thingfish | hehe sigbacon |
| 00:17.37 | nostur | abrotman: in egoboost? 000 :D |
| 00:17.44 | Guerin | should be SIGBACN |
| 00:17.52 | nostur | abrotman: *egoboo |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | bah .. i tried to help |
| 00:18.02 | thingfish | now I'm hungry. |
| 00:18.07 | litage | Guerin: so the "3" in my example is the byte position of the beginning the file name? |
| 00:18.22 | abrotman | litage: really ? |
| 00:18.24 | Guerin | litage: i dunno, i never bothered to check :) |
| 00:18.28 | pureone | i guess ill go search google then |
| 00:18.31 | thingfish | feed me some crab legs. |
| 00:18.33 | kingsley | litage: I remember the second column being described as links, and http://suso.org/docs/shell/permissions.sdf says it's "the number of files that reference the file. This is usually useless information and you don't need to worry about it." |
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| 00:18.46 | thingfish | or banana bread. |
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| 00:18.51 | nostur | abrotman: in egoboo? 000 :D |
| 00:19.00 | litage | thanks |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | dude .. i have no fucking clue what egoboo is |
| 00:19.11 | Parallax_ | how do I find a specific "text" on a directory full of txt's ? Please! |
| 00:19.15 | thingfish | or some homemade ricotta ravioli. |
| 00:19.17 | nostur | | grep |
| 00:19.29 | nostur | Parallax_ blah.txt | grep ggg |
| 00:19.34 | abrotman | Parallax_: are you blind ? |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | Parallax_: man grep |
| 00:19.38 | nostur | lmao |
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| 00:19.44 | dondelelcaro | Parallax: find . -type -f |xargs grep |
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| 00:19.55 | Parallax_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:20.02 | nostur | Parallax_: rm / |
| 00:20.10 | nostur | sorry |
| 00:20.12 | nostur | hehe |
| 00:20.14 | kingsley | Parallax_: grep "text" directory/* |
| 00:20.24 | nostur | abrotman? |
| 00:20.40 | abrotman | nostur: what does glxgears say ? |
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| 00:21.17 | nostur | abrotman: 1968 frames in 5.0 seconds = 393.600 FPS |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | maybe that's all it does .. |
| 00:21.50 | abrotman | my i830 or whatever does .. a bit more .. |
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| 00:22.16 | nostur | dont think so, its stronger than it, and egoboo its not so eh.. u know what |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:22.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:22.43 | abrotman | that's it .. *plonk* |
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| 00:23.42 | nostur | :P |
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| 00:24.32 | nostur | u kno' abrotman, sumtimes man havta do 2 things, :D :D |
| 00:24.50 | tahpot | guerin: i've tried every exim4-config option, but still no emails are being sent. any other ideas? |
| 00:24.51 | nostur | and b like a 2 womens :P |
| 00:25.04 | azeem | nostur: if you want to be part of the Debian community, please try to write in non-abbreviated english |
| 00:25.07 | azeem | if possible |
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| 00:25.53 | nostur | azeem: that was ment like joke @ abrotman, but iam sorry, iam used 2 use this english, too many hours @ irc |
| 00:25.58 | nostur | eh, ill try |
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| 00:26.19 | azeem | nostur: I use IRC since 2001 and never saw people talk like you |
| 00:26.34 | nostur | azeem: well, depends on channel imo |
| 00:26.37 | azeem | seems to be dependent on the network/chan rather than IRC in principle |
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| 00:26.40 | azeem | yeah |
| 00:26.48 | nostur | yea |
| 00:27.02 | nostur | and on that english is not my native lang. |
| 00:27.11 | azeem | neither it is mine |
| 00:27.19 | nostur | eh, where r u from? |
| 00:27.25 | azeem | germany |
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| 00:27.27 | nostur | * are you |
| 00:27.31 | abrotman | azeem: would you like me to correct your english now ? :) |
| 00:27.40 | nostur | nice, iam from czech |
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| 00:27.48 | thingfish | cool, nostur. |
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| 00:27.55 | nostur | oh geez |
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| 00:28.04 | thingfish | I wish I had studied some czech. |
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| 00:28.09 | nostur | why |
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| 00:28.24 | thingfish | well because it's a good west slavic language. |
| 00:28.27 | azeem | abrotman: well, if I'm writing something repeatedly wrong, sure. Correcting every mistake would just spam the chan I guess :) |
| 00:28.30 | nostur | slavic? |
| 00:28.43 | abrotman | azeem: how about five in one sentence :) |
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| 00:28.50 | thingfish | um, yes...czech is a slavic language. |
| 00:28.59 | abrotman | thingfish: give up |
| 00:29.04 | thingfish | boy really |
| 00:29.12 | nostur | what slavic means, like languages slovakian, polish etc. ? |
| 00:29.19 | abrotman | thingfish: it's like the slavic lightbright :) |
| 00:29.19 | thingfish | yes nostur |
| 00:29.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:29.28 | nostur | oh, ok then |
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| 00:29.31 | SerajewelKS | are there any good encrypted volume programs (or encrypted directory trees, like encfs) that have software on both linux and windows? (preferable in a debian package for the linux end). |
| 00:29.50 | zcot | hi. acrobat reader? what's the debian way for pdf? |
| 00:29.58 | azeem | zcot: kpdf or evince |
| 00:29.59 | nostur | i use ext3 as data partition for win and lin too |
| 00:30.11 | thingfish | not for win you don't. |
| 00:30.13 | azeem | zcot: or maybe xpdf if you run sarge |
| 00:30.22 | vinay | for win its wext3 |
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| 00:30.27 | abrotman | zcot: xpdf/gpdf/kpdf/evince |
| 00:30.32 | mathias64 | zcot: or acroread, nobody is stopping you from installing it |
| 00:30.47 | azeem | Package: vrms |
| 00:30.53 | zcot | azeem: that's local viewer and plugin as well? i'm running sarge. |
| 00:30.55 | azeem | Priority: Required |
| 00:30.56 | thingfish | I'll swear this channel gets weirder by the day. |
| 00:31.05 | azeem | zcot: hrm, maybe not plugin |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | thingfish: i found a snickers in my pants! |
| 00:31.15 | thingfish | see |
| 00:31.20 | abrotman | warm too! |
| 00:31.27 | NikiN | hy |
| 00:31.28 | logg | fluid also ? |
| 00:31.31 | azeem | zcot: though I seem to remember xpdf as a plugin |
| 00:31.44 | zcot | mathias64: is that easily done? i'd have no clue |
| 00:31.47 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:32.21 | azeem | MrBallZ: -ENICK |
| 00:32.25 | NikiN | i still search for help with SUDO , i want to make %user group mount a SAMBA share in a script |
| 00:32.35 | mathias64 | zcot: yes, it is easy. You can download the tar file and install it in /usr/local, or you can find the marillat unoffical debian package of it |
| 00:32.57 | azeem | NikiN: you can mount samba shares as a user via smbmount without having to use sudo, I thought |
| 00:33.14 | marcel_ | I have just added the line /dev/hdc1 /festplatten/1 ntfs ro 0 0 to /etc/fstab. how do I know, if the number is correct at hdc and how can I access this hdd now? |
| 00:33.29 | zcot | hmm. ok thank you mathias64 and azeem.. |
| 00:34.03 | azeem | marcel_: run cfdisk or something on hdc |
| 00:34.05 | thingfish | marcel_: look at fdisk -l |
| 00:34.43 | NikiN | i could not.. i tried mount -t smbfs -o username:xxx,password:xxx //somwhere/somewhat //mnt/server |
| 00:34.43 | MrBallZ | any recomendations on good games for linux ... i have a decent laptop Pentium 4M @ 1.8Ghz, 512 RAM, Nvidia 420Gow/16MB ... |
| 00:34.47 | NikiN | sorry |
| 00:35.00 | nostur | MrBallz: quake3 like me |
| 00:35.03 | crash3m_ | MrBallZ: enemy territory |
| 00:35.06 | vincent` | unreal tournament |
| 00:35.08 | thingfish | MrBallZ: blackjack. |
| 00:35.09 | azeem | NikiN: try smbmount instead of mount -t smbfs |
| 00:35.09 | nostur | MrBallz: Enemy territr |
| 00:35.17 | nostur | *territory |
| 00:35.19 | nostur | oh |
| 00:35.23 | NikiN | with rhe same parameters? |
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| 00:35.35 | thingfish | I owe blackjack so much money. |
| 00:35.41 | nostur | lmao |
| 00:35.46 | azeem | NikiN: not sure, check the documentation |
| 00:35.56 | nostur | anyone here have default.cfg for quake3? |
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| 00:36.07 | Guerin | tahpot: i don't really know what you want to do |
| 00:36.12 | Guerin | nostur: no |
| 00:36.23 | Guerin | nostur: /j #g4m3rd00dz |
| 00:36.28 | NikiN | smbmounts man page says.. that is the same like mount -t smbfs |
| 00:36.29 | nostur | thx |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | MrBallZ: Enigma .. but don't plan on work for a few days |
| 00:36.40 | deadcat | squirrelmail is not letting me login even though i type in the right passwd. what do i do? |
| 00:36.45 | tahpot | Guerin: I just want to be able to send emails from my machine |
| 00:37.08 | Guerin | tahpot: so configure exim to do so |
| 00:37.20 | tahpot | when sending an email through exim4 everything appears to work, but the email isn't received in my external email account (gmail) |
| 00:37.33 | crash3m_ | check exim's logs |
| 00:37.35 | tahpot | guerin: I'm not sure which option to choose, but I tried all of them and none worked |
| 00:37.40 | Guerin | tahpot: read logs |
| 00:37.42 | Frankablu | MrBallZ: Not very heavy on cpu but LiquidWar & BzFlag are nice |
| 00:38.07 | tahpot | crash3m: the logs say "Completed" after each message send |
| 00:38.22 | crash3m_ | tahpot: the logs should say a hell of a lot more than that |
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| 00:38.36 | tahpot | crash3m: with no apparent error message.. |
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| 00:38.50 | bushito | how can i add more sources page to apt-get i forgot command =3 |
| 00:39.01 | MrBallZ | is enemy territory " free" ?? |
| 00:39.04 | NikiN | the help what i realy need is how i get the sudoers file edited so %users can use mount on any workstation? without giving passwd |
| 00:39.06 | crash3m_ | MrBallZ: yes |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | bushito: apt-setup ? |
| 00:39.20 | mathias64 | bushito: man sources.list |
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| 00:39.41 | MrBallZ | Frankablu: links to liquidwar and bzflag ? |
| 00:39.51 | marcel_ | how can I unmount a filesystem, when it tells me, that the device is busy, but I want t o force it to |
| 00:39.52 | tahpot | crash3m: this is what my logs say about one message: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2326 |
| 00:39.53 | MrBallZ | crash3m_: link to it ? |
| 00:40.00 | Frankablu | MrBallZ: apt-get? |
| 00:40.02 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:40.10 | dondelelcaro | marcel_: man mount, read about -l. |
| 00:40.18 | MrBallZ | marcel_: umount -l /dev/hda1 ... l is for loose .. |
| 00:40.21 | orchid | MrBallZ: bzflag.org , #bzflag |
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| 00:40.31 | abrotman | MrBallZ: Enigma .. but don't plan on work for a few days |
| 00:40.49 | crash3m_ | MrBallZ: is google broken or something? |
| 00:40.56 | litage | what would happen if you had /etc mounted from a compact flash card, and while /etc was mounted, you removed the CF card and put in a new one (with the contents of /etc)? |
| 00:41.03 | Frankablu | MrBallZ: http://www.bzflag.org/ http://www.ufoot.org/liquidwar/ |
| 00:41.17 | Frankablu | crash3m_: DNS failure for google atm |
| 00:41.28 | mathias64 | litage: nothing, except opened files would cause errors in their applications. Provided the mount was read only |
| 00:41.32 | crash3m_ | litage: well considering you ripped out a mounted drive, you'd probably have 1 corrupted CF, then once something reread /etc...the service might freak out |
| 00:41.47 | MrBallZ | abrotman: is that like Myst ? |
| 00:41.59 | abrotman | MrBallZ: apt-cache show enigma |
| 00:42.02 | crash3m_ | Frankablu: 64.233.187.99 |
| 00:42.17 | crash3m_ | Frankablu: 4.2.2.2 is a reliable....but slow nameserver heh |
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| 00:42.55 | litage | crash3m_: if it was mounted 'sync' rather than 'async', would the CF card that was removed become corrupted? |
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| 00:43.03 | Frankablu | crash3m_: Nah they are... Errr..... Having routing problems to Errr.... somewhere safe.... South Africa atm |
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| 00:43.14 | crash3m_ | litage: dunno |
| 00:43.20 | litage | mathias64: what if the mount was rw,sync? |
| 00:43.20 | crash3m_ | Frankablu: if you say so |
| 00:43.30 | Guerin | Frankablu: you're full o' shite |
| 00:43.48 | crash3m_ | litage: try it and find out |
| 00:44.07 | litage | crash3m_: i would, but i don't have a CF card or reader. am just curious, that's all |
| 00:44.16 | mathias64 | litage: Sounds risky. You can tell things to sync, but they don't always listen |
| 00:44.21 | litage | ah |
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| 00:45.16 | mathias64 | litage: the manpage for mount is telling. it says that -p sync means I/O _should_ be done synchronously.... not that it will be done that way |
| 00:45.26 | mathias64 | s-p/-o/ |
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| 00:46.08 | Frankablu | Guerin: Let me guess you just worked out I'm joking and think your smart doing so? |
| 00:46.09 | grendal_prime | anybody write in delphi? |
| 00:46.16 | Frankablu | Guerin: Your not >.> |
| 00:46.37 | MrBallZ | crash3m_: what version of enemy territory 2.56 or 2.60 ? |
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| 00:47.20 | nuskool | anyone think of a reason why I try to tar -x something and it just hangs? |
| 00:47.23 | astro | what's the proper way to update alternatives to make firefox my default broswer? |
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| 00:47.39 | crash3m_ | MrBallZ: are you REALLY asking me that? |
| 00:47.44 | MrBallZ | no ... |
| 00:47.47 | litage | nuskool: did you give tar the -f option? |
| 00:47.48 | MrBallZ | =P |
| 00:48.24 | crash3m_ | usually getting the latest release is the best...may even be required byt he server you join |
| 00:48.32 | Guerin | Frankablu: my not what? |
| 00:48.41 | Guerin | my smart? |
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| 00:48.59 | nuskool | litage: yes |
| 00:49.12 | MrBallZ | crash3m_: is Enemy Territory only online ? |
| 00:49.15 | manuel_ | si |
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| 00:50.08 | blockd | MrBallZ: yes... not really debian related but you'd need to buy RTCW for an off-line game similar to it |
| 00:50.27 | MrBallZ | blockd: thnx |
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| 00:50.42 | Dewi | how do I ask bash to complete my command from *history*? |
| 00:50.53 | mathias64 | Dewi: !command |
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| 00:51.26 | SerajewelKS | does anyone know if the ubuntu debs for TrueCrypt work on debian? |
| 00:51.31 | Dewi | mathias64: any way to preview that before it runs? |
| 00:51.41 | thingfish | !shame SerajewelKS |
| 00:51.50 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: wtf |
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| 00:51.52 | thingfish | :/ |
| 00:51.57 | stew | Dewi: you can hit ctrl-r, then start typing and it will try to complete from history, hitting ctrl-r again finds a previous match |
| 00:51.59 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you will, if you try them |
| 00:52.05 | Dewi | stew: aha! |
| 00:52.23 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: but all things considered, it's probably saner to just build the ubuntu sources yourself |
| 00:52.47 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i don't know if there is a source package |
| 00:52.49 | azeem | SerajewelKS: or join the Utnubu team/tell them about it |
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| 00:53.02 | azeem | uhm, after proper research, of course |
| 00:53.04 | SerajewelKS | azeem: yeah, uhm ubuntu will tell me to ask here |
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| 00:53.12 | azeem | SerajewelKS: "Utnubu" |
| 00:53.14 | olczyk | I using sarge and lilo, how do I choose a different runlevel at boot? |
| 00:53.25 | SerajewelKS | azeem: and that is... |
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| 00:53.31 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: wtf |
| 00:53.33 | thingfish | someone said ubunut earlier, I'm still laughing over that one. |
| 00:53.46 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ubuntu has source packages too, you know |
| 00:53.46 | stew | SerajewelKS: follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" but use a ubuntu source instead of a sid source |
| 00:53.56 | azeem | SerajewelKS: alioth.debian.org/projects/utnubu |
| 00:54.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i'm looking at the truecrypt site, not the ubuntu repositories |
| 00:54.02 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:54.07 | mathias64 | olczyk: man inittab |
| 00:54.18 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: in which case you need to ask the truecrypt eejits |
| 00:54.28 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's offtopic in BOTH #debian and #ubuntu |
| 00:54.41 | deadcat | how do i kno when the master dns server updates with us? |
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| 00:54.48 | deadcat | how do i speed this process up? (= |
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| 00:55.01 | olczyk | man inittab |
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| 00:55.13 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: just asking.. no need to get all PMS at me |
| 00:55.14 | mathias64 | olczyk: at the prompt, not here |
| 00:55.17 | olczyk | Doh. Sorry. |
| 00:55.35 | jbroome | ls /home/john/girlporn |
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| 00:55.43 | jbroome | nope, doesn't work in here. :P |
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| 00:55.55 | Guerin | pms? |
| 00:56.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: google it |
| 00:56.35 | fff | hi all |
| 00:56.37 | olczyk | What the hell does inittab have anything to do with it? I'm asking how to enter the runlevel at the lilo menu. |
| 00:56.42 | thingfish | pre-menstrual syndrome |
| 00:56.47 | fff | anyone expert in hd-media install? |
| 00:57.06 | nostur | gn |
| 00:57.08 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: oh, ffs, i know what it is, i'm just dumbfounded that anyone would try to use it that way |
| 00:57.31 | MrBallZ | who said quake3 ? |
| 00:57.34 | nar | I am trying to prepair a USB memory install image for sarge following the installation guide. Where can I find hd-media/boot.img.gz as I can't see it on the 3.1 r0a "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD? |
| 00:57.36 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: hrm? i hear it used in that way quite frequently |
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| 00:57.55 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: by drooling morons with no respect for women, i suppose |
| 00:57.57 | gigio | olczyk: at the lilo prompt, append the runleve you want |
| 00:57.58 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it's akin to "pissed off" |
| 00:58.02 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: well, maybe |
| 00:58.18 | RedDaWg | greetz from linux newbie with a question |
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| 00:58.41 | olczyk | gigio thanks. |
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| 00:58.56 | mathias64 | nar: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s02.html.en#where-files |
| 00:59.00 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: anyway, it's not in ubuntu's repos |
| 00:59.07 | RedDaWg | I am trying to install fish encryption in xchat and where would I find xchat home direc |
| 00:59.08 | fff | well, I'm trying to install sarge to a boz with no removable devices |
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| 00:59.15 | mathias64 | nar: look in the hdmedia subdirectory |
| 00:59.38 | stew | o |
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| 00:59.49 | fff | I managed to boot hd-media d-i from another partition |
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| 01:00.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: are debian and ubuntu different enough to cause problems with a lot of packages? (in other words, is there a nice summary of the differences somewhere online?) |
| 01:00.05 | fff | but no clue about iso-scan |
| 01:00.14 | nar | mathias64: Thanks |
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| 01:00.25 | fff | anyone? |
| 01:00.42 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: they are diverging and converging all the time. Such a document would be outdated the second it was written, and would be a total waste of time. |
| 01:00.43 | jbroome | fff: can you netboot it? |
| 01:01.12 | fff | jbroome, afaik no |
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| 01:01.29 | jbroome | ah |
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| 01:02.24 | fff | jbroome, no floppy nor cd |
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| 01:02.55 | jbroome | fff: can you put the hdd in a nother machine and get the base OS on there? |
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| 01:03.27 | mathias64 | fff: bootable usb? |
| 01:03.31 | fff | jbroome, actually I have another hdd in it, running an old slack |
| 01:03.49 | fff | mathias64, BIOS won't support it |
| 01:04.36 | mathias64 | fff: you have slackware! you ought to be able to use debbootstrap to install debian on another partition (forget the install media completely). |
| 01:04.51 | fff | jbroome, so I could boot hd-media. I copied an .iso, but d-i won't scan it |
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| 01:05.09 | ViViD | would i get better overall system performance using gnome or kde? |
| 01:05.23 | fff | mathias64, any links about that? |
| 01:05.30 | mathias64 | fff: i'm on it |
| 01:05.42 | azeem | ViViD: impossible to tell, try both and keep what you like more |
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| 01:07.38 | Lilldude10 | does 7000 ati work on debian |
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| 01:08.23 | odla | !info xfce sarge |
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| 01:08.27 | mathias64 | fff: I think http://www.burgettsys.com/stories/59455/ wilkl give enough information |
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| 01:09.04 | ViViD | if i want to build a new kernel should i get the kernel-source or kernel-tree packages |
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| 01:09.18 | MrBallZ | byebye |
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| 01:09.37 | crash3m_ | + |
| 01:09.38 | AlienX | what's the app that allows gnome to automatically mount a drive? Specifically a usb thumbdrive. |
| 01:09.56 | Azar | I am looking for possible messages sent by the system in "mail" but I have no idea in which directory I could find it? where is "mail" ? |
| 01:10.00 | deadcat | how long does the master domain server sync with servers like ours? |
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| 01:10.07 | deadcat | we have a dns server |
| 01:10.09 | fff | mathias64, txs |
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| 01:10.41 | crash3m_ | deadcat: uhhhh, the masters dont sync with your server |
| 01:10.42 | thc | ViViD: kernel-source-* if you're running stable, linux-source-* for testing/unstable |
| 01:10.50 | crash3m_ | deadcat: the masters sync with themselves, then query your server when needed |
| 01:10.54 | mathias64 | fff: the point is, you get debootstrap to download all the files to a new partition, then change lilo to boot to that partion. |
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| 01:11.06 | deadcat | crash3m_: see if you can host www.gwfund.com |
| 01:12.01 | crash3m_ | deadcat: your nameservers dont appear to be answering |
| 01:12.04 | crash3m_ | dig @64.170.141.198 gwfund.com |
| 01:12.04 | crash3m_ | ; <<>> DiG 9.3.0 <<>> @64.170.141.198 gwfund.com |
| 01:12.04 | crash3m_ | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 01:12.04 | crash3m_ | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 01:12.13 | fff | mathias64, ok, gonna look into it |
| 01:12.15 | crash3m_ | 4 lines? ah geez |
| 01:12.19 | karsten | !tell crash3m_ about flood |
| 01:12.45 | carl | Hi, Is there security support in testing now? |
| 01:12.48 | crash3m_ | if the chan was actually busy...I might understand |
| 01:12.58 | thc | carl: /topic |
| 01:13.05 | deadcat | crash3m_: what do i do? |
| 01:13.39 | deadcat | crash3m_: if you host www.gwfund.com 71.144.52.129 <- our dns server, it will work. |
| 01:13.41 | crash3m_ | deadcat: kick the admin of 64.170.141.198 and 67.112.12.98 to get them working? |
| 01:13.52 | crash3m_ | deadcat: gwfund's whois info points to the two IP's I just mentioned |
| 01:14.01 | deadcat | crash3m_: i am working on that (= |
| 01:14.03 | astro | what is the proper way to set up sensors now? sensors-detect fails, i suppose because of udev |
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| 01:14.38 | crash3m_ | deadcat: deadcat the nameserver can answer at 71.144.52.129 all day every day, but it wont matter unless the whois points to it |
| 01:14.53 | deadcat | crash3m_: ah. who controls the whois? |
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| 01:15.07 | crash3m_ | deadcat: your registrar |
| 01:15.08 | deadcat | crash3m_: not the server right? the isp? |
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| 01:15.15 | deadcat | crash3m_: ah. |
| 01:15.19 | thc | astro: uname -r |
| 01:15.32 | crash3m_ | deadcat: in this case, it looks like networksolutions |
| 01:15.37 | astro | thc: 2.6.14-2 |
| 01:15.38 | nixie | deadcat: you need to talk with Myers Internet Services, Inc to have them update their registrar info with your new dns servers |
| 01:15.44 | thc | astro: sid ? |
| 01:15.49 | astro | thc: yes |
| 01:15.51 | deadcat | crash3m_: thanks |
| 01:15.58 | crash3m_ | deadcat: np |
| 01:16.06 | astro | thc: fresh install...i wiped out my /usr by mistake last night |
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| 01:16.16 | NikiN | can anyone tell me how can i set the defoult SAVE mode so.. that the saved files can be writen by all the members of the users group? |
| 01:16.29 | deadcat | nixie: thanks.. we've been busting our ass from 2-6am yesterday. and still working on it )= |
| 01:16.35 | SerajewelKS | NikiN: "save" mode in what? |
| 01:16.36 | ViViD | thc, is there a way i can update my kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6.8 in stable without having to compile it? |
| 01:16.39 | thc | astro: i don't know. i thought maybe you were on a 2.4 kernel and needed a patch. i don't mess with sid anymore. |
| 01:16.49 | crash3m_ | deadcat: really? gah the only reason you should need tow ait that long is whois propogation heh |
| 01:16.51 | blockd | NikiN: are you thinking about setgid on the directory? |
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| 01:17.00 | thc | ViViD: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:17.05 | nixie | deadcat: the propagation will take a few hours to a day max. the fastests solution is to get the current dns servers (from whois) working. |
| 01:17.15 | astro | maybe i just need to stop udev? |
| 01:17.21 | astro | let me see if Md is around |
| 01:17.27 | gratuit | does debian include the madwifi drivers, and if not, is it a licencing issue, or something else? |
| 01:17.29 | crash3m_ | nixie: not with a horrid ISP like roadrunner, it can take weeks |
| 01:17.33 | astro | pity, he isn't |
| 01:17.37 | astro | gratuit: IIRC, yes |
| 01:17.40 | NikiN | if i save a file the defoult setting are: -rwx------ |
| 01:17.44 | astro | gratuit: i think they need nonfree firmware |
| 01:17.58 | deadcat | crash3m_: nixie: well. sbc "static" ip was fucking us as well though |
| 01:18.03 | gratuit | ah |
| 01:18.15 | blockd | NikiN: you probaby want to read about umask then |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | !tell gratuit about madwifi |
| 01:18.16 | mathias64 | NikiN: man bash, then search for umask |
| 01:18.21 | crash3m_ | deadcat: uhmmm, sure |
| 01:18.37 | deadcat | nixie: do i call those guys up or email them? |
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| 01:18.49 | NikiN | thanx |
| 01:18.57 | diana | How can I run "bum" not as aa regular user? |
| 01:19.03 | crash3m_ | deadcat: I'd call |
| 01:19.05 | nixie | deadcat: call if you're persuasive and time-pressed. mail otherwise. :) |
| 01:19.15 | diana | i am logged in as root...butt I can't get a display with bum |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | deadcat: what is the TTL for the domain ? |
| 01:19.18 | crash3m_ | diana: possibly set cdrecord suid? |
| 01:19.20 | deadcat | k |
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| 01:19.44 | abrotman | deadcat: and if you don't know .. use dig to find out |
| 01:19.53 | carl | hmm, so there are repository available for security in testing, but the site says "we aim to eventually provide full security support for testing" |
| 01:19.54 | nixie | abrotman: current dns servers are dead |
| 01:20.05 | blockd | diana: if you need to be root, then try running it with sux, kdesu, or gksu maybe... |
| 01:20.06 | deadcat | abrotman: which file? |
| 01:20.07 | carl | So it means that it works partially? |
| 01:20.13 | crash3m_ | nixie: your caching name server might be able to tell, check your /etc/resolv.conf and dig that server |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | deadcat: is it a common domain ? |
| 01:20.17 | diana | thanks blockd |
| 01:20.23 | Lilldude10 | i am buy new video card is at 700 good one? for debain |
| 01:20.31 | thc | !debain |
| 01:20.31 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 01:20.33 | abrotman | 700 what ? |
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| 01:20.39 | deadcat | abrotman: gwfund.com, the TTL in the file is 1D |
| 01:20.40 | Lilldude10 | or shoulkd i get nvida |
| 01:20.46 | nixie | crash3m_: unlikely for my isps dns server to have queried theirs |
| 01:20.57 | blockd | Lilldude10: do you mean 7000 instead? |
| 01:21.03 | Lilldude10 | yeah |
| 01:21.09 | diana | blockd: What is the command with sux? |
| 01:21.15 | crash3m_ | nixie: you never surfed your own domain? geez |
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| 01:21.27 | nixie | crash3m_: its not my domain. its deadcats? |
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| 01:21.32 | abrotman | deadcat: then anyone who has it cacahed .. will have it for one day |
| 01:21.33 | crash3m_ | NikiN: doh sorry heh |
| 01:21.34 | blockd | Lilldude10: pretty low-end IMHO... |
| 01:21.43 | crash3m_ | bah wtf |
| 01:21.48 | crash3m_ | I cannot tab-complete anytyhing tonight |
| 01:22.03 | blockd | diana: I don't use sux, but probably "sux name-of-command" |
| 01:22.05 | crash3m_ | or spell...thats it, time to step away from irc |
| 01:22.15 | blockd | diana: the others are like that pretty much |
| 01:22.15 | diana | debian:~# sux bum |
| 01:22.17 | diana | Unknown id: bum |
| 01:22.17 | deadcat | abrotman: well. the problem crash3m_ and nixie found is that the registrar is still poininting to the old ip. i have to get that fixed asap |
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| 01:22.32 | diana | debian:~# bum |
| 01:22.33 | diana | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: at /usr/lib/perl5/Gtk2.pm line 59. |
| 01:22.37 | blockd | diana: maybe "-c bum" rather... sorry about that. The man page should say. |
| 01:22.41 | JRWR | ive setup debian using the WEbserver option |
| 01:22.44 | Lilldude10 | whats low end |
| 01:22.51 | JRWR | where is the apache dir located |
| 01:22.52 | abrotman | deadcat: i got a 64.x.x.x and a 67.x.x.x |
| 01:22.59 | diana | debian:~# sux -c bum |
| 01:23.00 | diana | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: at /usr/lib/perl5/Gtk2.pm line 59. |
| 01:23.04 | blockd | Lilldude10: lower-end anyway... but it's all relative I guess. |
| 01:23.13 | blockd | Lilldude10: 7000's |
| 01:23.20 | Lilldude10 | yeah most are 8x |
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| 01:23.27 | Lilldude10 | 7000 is 4x card |
| 01:23.29 | deadcat | abrotman: our new ip is 71.144.x.x |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | deadcat: both dns servers were on the same host ? |
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| 01:23.52 | Lilldude10 | blocked whats better card then? |
| 01:24.07 | carl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.16 | dondelelcaro | diana: uh... you're already root. sux isn't going to work. |
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| 01:24.23 | deadcat | abrotman: just the concord one. we point www to berkeley. and webmail is concord |
| 01:24.26 | nuskool | >> You must install ncurses-devel in order |
| 01:24.26 | nuskool | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
| 01:24.33 | nuskool | anyone know what package that is refering to? |
| 01:24.47 | abrotman | nuskool: libncurses-dev |
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| 01:24.57 | blockd | Lilldude10: I'd say it depends on your needs... there's an #ati channel that might be better for anwering this though... |
| 01:25.03 | diana | diana@debian:~$ sux -c bum |
| 01:25.03 | diana | Unknown id: eval $TERM; exec env TERM='xterm' DISPLAY=':0.0' "bum"; |
| 01:25.07 | diana | dondelelcaro? |
| 01:25.21 | Lilldude10 | ok Blocked |
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| 01:25.40 | thc | god damn |
| 01:25.43 | Lilldude10 | is it better to get nvida then>? |
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| 01:25.48 | yrithinnd | ban |
| 01:25.48 | thc | how do you ignore those bitchx quits? |
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| 01:26.05 | carl | I wanna switch from slackware to debian. I have two internet conection (home and work). One is dhcp and the other is static. Is it easy to reconfigure net connection under debian? |
| 01:26.14 | js_ | yes |
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| 01:26.31 | diana | carl: Just as easy as any other linux distribution. |
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| 01:27.15 | carl | diana, is there a tool? under slack, I use netconfig, and I don't have to edit config files by hand... |
| 01:27.28 | astro | what is the proper way to set up sensors now? sensors-detect fails, i think because of udev |
| 01:27.43 | js_ | carl: editing the config file by hand is super-easy |
| 01:28.00 | nixie | carl: you can use vi, nano, joe, or even cat. |
| 01:28.22 | crash3m_ | carl: I have my system setup so that if I do 'ifup eth0' it brings up my static IP...if I want dhcp I just do dhcpcd and I'm up and running |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | deadcat: you're gonna call netsol and whine ? .. good luck |
| 01:28.24 | carl | ok, so what is the file that I need to edit? |
| 01:28.34 | js_ | carl: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:28.38 | js_ | carl: man interfaces |
| 01:28.43 | carl | ok thanks guys |
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| 01:29.29 | JRWR | where is httpd.conf located at in debain? |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | JRWR: for apache or apache2 ? |
| 01:29.42 | diana | JRWR: apache or apache2? |
| 01:29.50 | abrotman | slowpoke |
| 01:29.52 | JRWR | apache2 i think |
| 01:29.56 | karsten | JRWR: find /etc/apach* -name httpd.conf |
| 01:29.58 | diana | /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 01:30.08 | diana | /etc/apache2/apache.conf |
| 01:30.22 | JRWR | lawl |
| 01:30.27 | JRWR | i did not know that was a folder |
| 01:30.28 | abrotman | yeah .. it's not called httpd.conf for apache2 |
| 01:30.30 | deadcat | abrotman: whos netsol? |
| 01:30.31 | carl | what desktop to debian gurus use? Gnome, KDE, or something smaller? |
| 01:30.39 | JRWR | i use KDE |
| 01:30.40 | diana | carl: fluxbox |
| 01:30.47 | mathias64 | carl: fvwm |
| 01:30.51 | diana | lol |
| 01:30.56 | karsten | carl: linoleum. |
| 01:30.59 | gratuit | fluxbox all the way |
| 01:31.06 | abrotman | deadcat: the registrar :) |
| 01:31.11 | carl | never heard about linoleum |
| 01:31.17 | diana | carl: the real gurus just use twm and no mouse. |
| 01:31.18 | abrotman | deadcat: netsol.com |
| 01:31.21 | karsten | carl: On Linux, WindowMaker. |
| 01:31.22 | carl | I use AfterStep uner slack at the moment... |
| 01:31.44 | karsten | carl: WM's pretty similar, actually under development. |
| 01:31.57 | abrotman | carl: they use whatever they're comfortable with |
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| 01:32.14 | deadcat | abrotman: Myers Internet Services, Inc domains@MYERSINTERNET.COM |
| 01:32.18 | karsten | carl: ... use what you want, it really doesn't matter. |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | carl: and so should you |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | deadcat: uhm .. no |
| 01:32.30 | diana | !start a window manager war |
| 01:32.31 | dpkg | emacs sucks! |
| 01:32.39 | abrotman | deadcat: whois gwfund.com | grep Registrar |
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| 01:32.51 | gratuit | heh |
| 01:33.00 | carl | I know abrotman, I always like to see what other uses, I like the diversity |
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| 01:33.34 | nixie | deadcat: generally, tech contacts administer registrar management accounts. call myers first. |
| 01:33.48 | deadcat | k |
| 01:33.50 | abrotman | i think he is myers :) |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | deadcat: or are you gwfund ? |
| 01:34.01 | deadcat | no |
| 01:34.06 | deadcat | gwfund |
| 01:34.13 | oddquestion | I'm passing 1300 packets per second on my network, according to Ethereal. that seems like a lot for a home network, yes? |
| 01:34.22 | JRWR | # UserDir is now a module |
| 01:34.22 | JRWR | #UserDir public_html |
| 01:34.22 | JRWR | #UserDir disabled root |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | oddquestion: stop looking at porn ? :) |
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| 01:35.02 | karsten | oddquestion: netstat, iptraff, may be of use. |
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| 01:35.59 | oddquestion | abrotman: there are three systems on the network, and none of them are doing anything known to me.. i.e. no surfing, no downloading, except this IRC client. |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | oddquestion: use a network monitoring tool |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | oddquestion: are any of them windows machines ? |
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| 01:36.41 | oddquestion | abrotman: yes, one. |
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| 01:36.55 | abrotman | oddquestion: netbios is kind of noisy IIRC |
| 01:37.40 | oddquestion | abrotman: Kk, I'll use the tools karsten suggested, and then start shutting down systems one by one to see what happens. Thanks all. |
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| 01:44.32 | paolob | hi guys! I installed 2.14 from debian unstable, and the kernel hangs up after saying: |
| 01:44.32 | paolob | hub 4-0_1-0_ USB hub found |
| 01:44.32 | paolob | <paolob> ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7:EHCI Host Controller |
| 01:44.32 | paolob | ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7:debug port 1 |
| 01:44.32 | paolob | Any idea? |
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| 01:44.46 | astro | what is the proper way to set up sensors now? sensors-detect fails, i think because of udev |
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| 01:45.01 | paolob | hi guys! I installed 2.14 from debian unstable, and the kernel hangs up after saying: |
| 01:45.02 | paolob | hub 4-0_1-0_ USB hub found |
| 01:45.02 | paolob | <paolob> ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7:EHCI Host Controller |
| 01:45.02 | paolob | ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7:debug port 1 |
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| 01:45.35 | jbroome | ow many times you need to get auto kicked before you figure out to use #flood? |
| 01:46.18 | Phated | jbroome: You'd be surprised. |
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| 01:46.31 | jbroome | it *is* entertaining at least. :) |
| 01:46.43 | SerajewelKS | jbroome: or that we saw it the first time |
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| 01:48.38 | abrotman | 2.14 ? |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | what was that error ? |
| 01:49.02 | paolob | 2.6.14! excuse me |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | paolob: here's a hint .. if the new one doesn't work .. stop trying to use it |
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| 01:50.53 | paolob | abrotman: thank you, that's what I'm doing :-) |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | so stop trying to use the broken one .. |
| 01:51.09 | abrotman | and chekc the BTS |
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| 01:52.16 | psychonate | Does anyone know how to keep ooffice from making typed URLs actual HTML links? |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | ask #debian-oo |
| 01:54.57 | jbroome | psychonate: i'm sure it's a pref. somewhere |
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| 01:55.18 | RedDaWg | does anyone know where the home directory of xchat would be |
| 01:55.32 | jbroome | RedDaWg: .xchat in your home dir |
| 01:55.47 | scyrma | I'm on sid and iwconfig gives me this strange error : "undefined symbol: iw_sawap_ntop" about which googles knows nothing. Any ideas? |
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| 01:55.56 | jbroome | or .xchTabComplete |
| 01:56.09 | ahewitt | hi guys...I have an apache2 server with a vhost + userdir. When I connect to http://members.domainname.com.au/~username/cgi-bin/script.cgi apache passes the |
| 01:56.12 | ahewitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.15 | ahewitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.21 | ahewitt | oops...sorry about that :( |
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| 01:57.55 | RedDaWg | the executable is in usr/bin |
| 01:58.06 | RedDaWg | there is nothing in home |
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| 02:00.08 | JRWR | on deflaut where is the public_html folder at for apache 2 |
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| 02:03.22 | abrotman | JRWR: ask #apache |
| 02:03.26 | Lord_Athur | where does debian put the files of code created with "apt-get source"? |
| 02:03.43 | abrotman | i think $CWD |
| 02:04.15 | JRWR | i am |
| 02:04.19 | JRWR | they have no clue |
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| 02:05.31 | jbroome | RedDaWg: /usr/lib/xchat maybe? |
| 02:05.44 | jbroome | locate xchat | less might help you too. |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | dpkg -L xchat |
| 02:06.02 | dpkg | No packages found matching xchat |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 02:06.11 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 02:06.29 | jbroome | abrotman: nice, thanks |
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| 02:08.51 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:08.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:09.23 | Gnea | bwahahaha |
| 02:09.28 | cmorgan | how do i use phppgadmin? unlike phpmysql I can't seem to login as root, or user postgres, even after changing the extra security permissions in /etc/phppgadmin/blah.ini |
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| 02:09.55 | Gnea | no idea, never used it, just phpmysql |
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| 02:10.16 | Lord_Athur | how can I umount the cd-rom when the cd is being used for something |
| 02:10.19 | Gnea | cmorgan: /usr/share/doc/phppgadmin/ ? |
| 02:10.27 | PerfDave | cmorgan: Uhm, can you log in as either of those users from the command line? |
| 02:10.29 | Lord_Athur | how can I umount the cd-rom when the cd is being used for something |
| 02:10.32 | cmorgan | Gnea: thats actually a good idea |
| 02:10.36 | Gnea | Lord_Athur: find the processes that's using it and kill it |
| 02:10.47 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 02:10.47 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:12.18 | abrotman | cmorgan: probably setup an actual user |
| 02:12.24 | PerfDave | cmorgan: It's generally a very bad idea to use the postgres user account anyway :) |
| 02:12.35 | cmorgan | PerfDave: i can log in as postgres if i 'su root' and 'su postgres', i turned from ident to md5 authentication but phppgadmin still won't let me login |
| 02:12.46 | cmorgan | i don't even see the access attempts in /var/log/postgres/whatever.log |
| 02:12.55 | cmorgan | i like postgres, but what a pain in the ass it is to get setup |
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| 02:13.19 | abrotman | it's easy to use from the CLI .. |
| 02:13.30 | cmorgan | it is |
| 02:13.31 | PerfDave | cmorgan: Are you sure you changed the right setting in pg_hba.conf? How does phppgadmin connect to the database? |
| 02:13.32 | abrotman | i've used pgsql for .. 7 years? .. i've never used phppgadmin :) |
| 02:13.36 | cmorgan | i figured i'd get the php gui one working |
| 02:13.40 | cmorgan | since i really really like phpmysql |
| 02:13.48 | cmorgan | PerfDave: i'm not sure how it connects |
| 02:13.49 | PerfDave | abrotman: This is because wanky PHP scripts are hopeless. |
| 02:13.55 | PerfDave | cmorgan: Maybe you should find out ;) |
| 02:13.55 | Gnea | yeah phpmysql really makes it more efficient |
| 02:13.57 | abrotman | PerfDave: or it's a pebcak :) |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | PerfDave: like i said . .i've never tried it .. so i can't say if it's hard or not |
| 02:14.14 | PerfDave | abrotman: Nah, my boss installed phppgadmin once, it spews shite all over your database without asking. |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
| 02:14.25 | cmorgan | PerfDave: i got an error with lack of php postgres libraries, so i know its using php-pg or whatever |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | PerfDave: i wouldn't blame PHP for that though .. i'd blame the app |
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| 02:14.46 | abrotman | cmorgan: php4-pgsql |
| 02:14.54 | cmorgan | abrotman: right, php5-pgsql in my case |
| 02:15.06 | abrotman | and that's where i step out |
| 02:15.12 | cmorgan | hah |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | cmorgan: on sarge right ? |
| 02:15.24 | cmorgan | abrotman: unstable actually |
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| 02:15.29 | PerfDave | abrotman: Oh, I'm not assuming it's PHP's fault ;) |
| 02:15.32 | abrotman | oh .. right .. see .. even better |
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| 02:15.57 | PerfDave | Though frankly the way PHP handles database connections makes me want to vomit. |
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| 02:16.21 | PerfDave | Then again, the way PHP handles most things makes me want to vomit ;) |
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| 02:17.02 | cmorgan | abrotman: do i want to change the db admin line? "local all postgres ident sameuser" in pg_hba.conf? |
| 02:17.26 | abrotman | doubtful .. |
| 02:17.29 | cmorgan | abrotman: i take it that forces all postgres logins to be local. |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | cmorgan: check the logs for pgsql |
| 02:17.43 | nixie | "Science: Rat Brains Fly Planes". sigh. |
| 02:17.48 | PerfDave | cmorgan: I suggest you read the Postgres documentation :) |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | nixie: as fuel ? |
| 02:17.56 | cmorgan | PerfDave: christ man. i've tried |
| 02:18.02 | nixie | abrotman: as pilots, apparently. |
| 02:18.04 | abrotman | cmorgan: or ask #postgresql |
| 02:18.11 | nixie | crazy scientists |
| 02:18.12 | cmorgan | PerfDave: i tried a year or so ago with phppgadmin but gave up then too :-) |
| 02:18.16 | cmorgan | yeah, let me ask in there |
| 02:18.31 | cmorgan | debian is probably doing the best it/they can with phppgadmin :-) |
| 02:18.34 | PerfDave | cmorgan: If you think that that line "forces all postgres logins to be local", you haven't tried hard enough :) |
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| 02:19.06 | cmorgan | PerfDave: well its ident sameuser, how else would you be the postgres user otherwise? |
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| 02:19.52 | PerfDave | cmorgan: I think you're failing to understand what the pg_hba config file does, despite its clear comments and the helpful documentation on postgresql.org :) |
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| 02:20.24 | cmorgan | PerfDave: it says right at the top that its client authentication configuration |
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| 02:20.40 | PerfDave | cmorgan: Yes, which means it authenticates, it doesn't force anything. |
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| 02:21.25 | abrotman | though it can |
| 02:21.48 | cmorgan | PerfDave: right. i'm not being clear mostly because i'm not clear about how the settings affect things, let me ask in postgresql about phppgadmin |
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| 02:22.16 | bushito | what was the command to see how many HDD i got on my box? |
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| 02:23.04 | abrotman | /proc/partitions ? |
| 02:23.19 | bushito | yes, abrotman |
| 02:23.31 | bushito | thx |
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| 02:24.50 | abrotman | what's the song before Hats Off to Roy Harper ? |
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| 02:25.08 | dragonfly | can someone help me set up a script |
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| 02:25.20 | abrotman | oh .. i meant two before that :) |
| 02:25.21 | diana | How do I run a gui program as root...when the regular user has x..,.so if I try to run xchat as root...I get 'can not open display" how can I ffix this? |
| 02:25.32 | abrotman | dragonfly: need more info |
| 02:25.43 | abrotman | diana: sux |
| 02:25.45 | nosklo | diana: uh, not running xchat as root? |
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| 02:26.02 | diana | abrotman: what would be the command? |
| 02:26.04 | PerfDave | diana: Running xchat as root is a terribly bad idea. Why would you want to do that? |
| 02:26.11 | diana | abrotman: As a reegular user type "sux xchat"? |
| 02:26.16 | diana | Or type that as root abrotman? |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | diana: and yes .. running anything as root .. especially a network app .. is not a good idea |
| 02:26.17 | mathias64 | diana: I can run xchat as root by running xterm, running su, and running xchat. At that point, xchat tells me: using IRC as root is stupid. |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | !sux |
| 02:26.31 | dpkg | i heard sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 02:26.43 | dragonfly | abrotman: first off i should admit that i am not running debian....i have two scripts, one that i want to run on boot and one that i want to run on shutdown |
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| 02:26.59 | diana | I want to run "bum" asa root with a gui |
| 02:27.05 | diana | But I just used xchat as an example |
| 02:27.12 | nosklo | oh ok |
| 02:27.19 | PerfDave | vum? |
| 02:27.23 | dragonfly | someone else in a different room suggested i make a script to call the one on boot when it boots and the one for shutdown when it shuts down and to model it after the networking script in init.d |
| 02:27.31 | dragonfly | does this sound like a good idea to u? |
| 02:27.32 | mathias64 | diana: what happens when you su and then run it? Are you trying to run it from another machine or from the console? |
| 02:27.33 | PerfDave | dragonfly: Then go ask the help for your distro, since different distros run scripts differently. |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | dragonfly: let me guess .. uhm .. fedora! |
| 02:27.49 | PerfDave | What is "bum"? It sounds rude ;) |
| 02:28.06 | diana | mathias64: ahhh...I am typing su - |
| 02:28.14 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | dragonfly: which distro ? |
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| 02:28.37 | diana | whatdiana@debian:~$ su |
| 02:28.37 | diana | Password: |
| 02:28.37 | diana | debian:/home/diana# bum |
| 02:28.37 | diana | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 02:28.38 | diana | Xlib: No protocol specified |
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| 02:28.44 | abrotman | sux! |
| 02:28.49 | mathias64 | diana: do you have xdm running or something like that? |
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| 02:29.00 | gravity | diana: Check the FAQ in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common |
| 02:29.04 | nosklo | diana: dont use su, use sux instead |
| 02:29.07 | gravity | diana: The answer to your question is in there |
| 02:29.26 | diana | diana@debian:~$ sux bum |
| 02:29.27 | diana | Unknown id: bum |
| 02:29.34 | nosklo | diana sux, then bum |
| 02:29.34 | PerfDave | diana: man sux |
| 02:29.51 | nosklo | diana, just like you did with su |
| 02:29.57 | PerfDave | I really shouldn't be finding "diana sux bum" amusing, should I? But still... felching! |
| 02:30.02 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:30.07 | idis | diana: another option is to use xauth merge with the .Xauthority of the user which runs the X session |
| 02:30.16 | dragonfly | yes it is fedora....rather a version of fedora designed for a specific purpose |
| 02:30.20 | PerfDave | idis: Which is basically what sux does for you :) |
| 02:30.23 | PerfDave | dragonfly: #fedora :) |
| 02:30.33 | mathias64 | Look everyone: I am running debian and I can run x apps as root iwthout messing with xauth |
| 02:30.38 | dragonfly | nobody was talkng in there |
| 02:30.57 | diana | sux doesn't work |
| 02:30.58 | nosklo | dragonfly, install debian :) |
| 02:31.03 | mathias64 | gravity: /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common doesn't exist for people running xorg |
| 02:31.04 | idis | PerfDave: yes, but sometimes letting the user understand what the problem is helps in later letting laziness have an app for it |
| 02:31.05 | diana | I try sux -c bum and it still doesn't work. |
| 02:31.06 | PerfDave | dragonfly: That doesn't make it #debian's problem to deal with your Fedora issue, especially since different distros handle init scripts differently :) |
| 02:31.17 | mathias64 | diana: do you have xdm or gdm or kdm? |
| 02:31.17 | abrotman | dragonfly: try ##linux |
| 02:31.18 | dragonfly | :S |
| 02:31.23 | gravity | mathias64: ... |
| 02:31.29 | bushito | how do i safe the modifications done in vim??? |
| 02:31.33 | diana | mathias64: I use slim. |
| 02:31.34 | dragonfly | well, thanks anyway, i'll come back sometime when i have issues on my linux box :D |
| 02:31.38 | diana | mathias64: slim.berlios.de |
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| 02:31.45 | Phated | bushito: esc, :w. |
| 02:31.50 | Phated | ... minus the period. |
| 02:31.51 | bushito | thx |
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| 02:31.54 | PerfDave | diana: Install Debian, it's good for you :) |
| 02:32.00 | PerfDave | Whoops, I meant that for dragonfly :) |
| 02:32.04 | diana | I use debian PerfDave |
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| 02:32.26 | mathias64 | diana: get rid of that, run startx to start x, and I bet you won't have so many xauth issues |
| 02:32.36 | Tony_Sidaway | bushito, if you find vi difficult to use, try nano. vi can take a bit of getting used to. |
| 02:32.47 | diana | mathias64: Why it's the best login manager that exists. |
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| 02:32.54 | PerfDave | There is *no* reason why you can't run X apps with sux when using a login manager. |
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| 02:32.59 | diana | mathias64: All it does it use .xinitrc |
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| 02:33.01 | bushito | Vim, is the perfecto editor for me, thx Tony_Sidaway for the recommendation =3 |
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| 02:33.21 | loopdee | how to increase pthreads stack size? |
| 02:33.21 | Phated | <3, surely? =3 looks like a nose. |
| 02:33.27 | idis | diana: X doesn't let any other user than authorised use the display |
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| 02:33.35 | PerfDave | The only distro I've found where x apps Just Work with su is Knoppix :) |
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| 02:33.45 | Tony_Sidaway | I won't say what it looks like here; I might get booted! |
| 02:33.49 | PerfDave | Then again, the only X app I've ever run as root is qtparted :) |
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| 02:33.54 | idis | diana: if you want to override this you need to let X authorise you |
| 02:33.55 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:34.12 | mathias64 | PerfDave: they Just Work with Debian if you run startx by hand... |
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| 02:34.20 | Phated | Yeh. |
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| 02:34.45 | PerfDave | mathias64: I don't see why that's the case, but I have no interest in not having my shiny kdm to greet me at boot :) |
| 02:34.50 | diana | ok, I'm using xdm now...but I get the same error when I try to start bum |
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| 02:35.09 | PerfDave | diana: Just use sux like you used su. |
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| 02:35.39 | idis | diana: the user which launches bum is not the same as the one which "owns" the display for now |
| 02:35.41 | Tony_Sidaway | bum? sux? Good grief, hot-babe was obviously the start of the rot. ;) |
| 02:35.41 | abrotman | man sux ? |
| 02:35.47 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:36.38 | idis | diana: so the answer is indeed with xauth as mathias64 says |
| 02:36.47 | abrotman | magic cookie! |
| 02:36.48 | PerfDave | diana: Just to check, you *do* have xbase-clients installed, right? (check with "dpkg -l xbase-clients") |
| 02:36.50 | diana | diana@debian:~$ sux -c bum |
| 02:36.51 | diana | Unknown id: eval $TERM; exec env TERM='xterm' DISPLAY=':0.0' "bum"; |
| 02:36.55 | idis | diana: and smart people built sux for that |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | hehee |
| 02:37.06 | PerfDave | diana: Just use sux like you used su. |
| 02:37.14 | blockd | diana: try "sux root bum" instead... I just looked it up and sux doesn't seem to use -c |
| 02:37.32 | blockd | diana: as I'd said, /maybe/ "-c" the man page would say for sure... |
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| 02:37.47 | abrotman | eegads .. reading is hard! |
| 02:37.49 | diana | PerfDave: Yeaa, I haave that. |
| 02:38.00 | karsten | abrotman: Where could I find more information on this 'man'? |
| 02:38.07 | servus | man man |
| 02:38.11 | PerfDave | mathias64: There's no reason to use xauth by hand if you're using a login manager. sux takes care of it for you. |
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| 02:38.26 | harryl | when Xscreensaver runs awhile it changes mode on monitor, why? |
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| 02:38.27 | mathias64 | PerfDave: there's no reason to use a login manager... |
| 02:38.34 | diana | awesome |
| 02:38.34 | karsten | abrotman: man needs an '-o' option. |
| 02:38.35 | diana | thanks blockd |
| 02:38.37 | diana | That works. |
| 02:38.43 | mathias64 | PerfDave: unless you have an X terminal or something like that |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | karsten: will it sing ? |
| 02:38.48 | karsten | abrotman: ... that way we could go 'man -o man.... ' |
| 02:38.58 | karsten | abrotman: ... or man -o war.... |
| 02:39.00 | diana | yea, you don't need a login manager. |
| 02:39.07 | karsten | abrotman: or man -o the_times.... |
| 02:39.12 | PerfDave | mathias64: Apart from the fact that it's more user friendly and faster :) |
| 02:39.13 | diana | You can just seetup your ~/.xinitrc file and 'startx' |
| 02:39.26 | blockd | shouldn't matter as long as it uses X... I didn't have sux installed otherwise I'd have looked it up sooner |
| 02:39.27 | harryl | I have to ctl-alt - to go down a mode |
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| 02:39.45 | karsten | ... if I'm writing stuff like this, I might as well be drunk. |
| 02:39.51 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.22 | PerfDave | mathias64: It's faster because I don't have to log in, wait for X to start, and then do stuff. X starts, then I log in :) |
| 02:40.44 | diana | How can I make /var/lock/bum "unlocked"? |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | karsten: tequila! |
| 02:40.45 | mathias64 | PerfDave: much faster, indeed |
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| 02:41.26 | harryl | beer is for drinking tequilla for sipping |
| 02:41.28 | karsten | abrotman: mockingbird! |
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| 02:41.43 | abrotman | harryl: amateur! |
| 02:41.43 | PerfDave | harryl: Depends on the beer and the tequila ;) |
| 02:41.50 | karsten | diana: Likely: remove it. |
| 02:41.54 | PerfDave | Most tequila is for pouring straight down the drain :) |
| 02:41.55 | harryl | depends on your guts |
| 02:42.27 | karsten | PerfDave: ... sometimes making a bypass through the alimentary tract. |
| 02:42.42 | karsten | PerfDave: ... though whether that's a straight-through or in-and-out depends on your mood. |
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| 02:43.03 | JRWR | i installed debian using ht ewebserver option |
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| 02:43.12 | JRWR | does mysql come installed with that |
| 02:43.14 | idis | karsten: GIGO |
| 02:43.36 | karsten | idis: More like GIG...reeeeeeeetch! |
| 02:43.39 | JRWR | and if it does why does this come up when i run a script |
| 02:43.40 | JRWR | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/apache2-default/public_html/phpclanwebsite/appl_top.php on line 19 |
| 02:43.44 | idis | karsten: garbage in garbage out |
| 02:43.47 | harryl | tequilla is an aperatif |
| 02:43.53 | diana | I have a dual boot...and I don't want windows as a partition anymore...I want to delete the windows partition and make my debian bigger....Then if I need to use xen 3.0 for windows....When I "sux root gparted" gparted doesn't show the ntfs partition...why not? |
| 02:44.07 | diana | The ntfs partition wasn't in /etc/fstab either...I had to manually add it. |
| 02:44.25 | karsten | diana: You're not going to get particularly far with Xen 3.0 & windows just yet. |
| 02:44.35 | PerfDave | diana: If you're juggling partitions you're best off doing it from a LiveCD, like Knoppix booted with noswap |
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| 02:44.50 | karsten | diana: It's not particularly stable, won't be until well into '06. |
| 02:44.57 | PerfDave | qemu! :) |
| 02:45.15 | harryl | why is Xscreensaver changing my video mode? |
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| 02:45.19 | karsten | PerfDave: Good option. |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | to punish you |
| 02:45.29 | karsten | harryl: Because it can? |
| 02:45.33 | karsten | harryl: ... from what to what? |
| 02:45.37 | harryl | how can it? |
| 02:45.45 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want to improve boot speed of linux, i have calculated that kernel boot may cause about 10 seconds, how can i make kernel boot faster? |
| 02:45.47 | idis | good to worse |
| 02:46.00 | PerfDave | TraceGreen: Buy a faster computer and hard drive? :) |
| 02:46.06 | harryl | from 640x480 with virtual 1024x768 to 1024x768 no virtual I think |
| 02:46.06 | diana | Hmm...those BitchX messages are annoying...hoow can I filter those out? |
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| 02:46.18 | karsten | diana: Use irssi. |
| 02:46.21 | abrotman | diana: have your client ignore join/part |
| 02:46.22 | jbroome | diana: /ignore #debian JOINS QUITS |
| 02:46.24 | diana | I am using irssi |
| 02:46.26 | PerfDave | harryl: Using the xrandr extensions to X, most things can change your screen resolution. |
| 02:46.27 | karsten | diana: ... or /ignore |
| 02:46.37 | harryl | yikes |
| 02:46.38 | mathias64 | TraceGreen: 1) Make the kernel do less work. have less compiled in and load fewer modules. Run fewer init scripts. |
| 02:46.52 | karsten | diana: ^^ jbroome |
| 02:47.00 | jbroome | 4) deal with it 5) don't reboot. :) |
| 02:47.01 | karsten | harryl: ?? |
| 02:47.11 | karsten | harryl: NM. |
| 02:47.13 | idis | i like 5 |
| 02:47.15 | TraceGreen | mathias64, does kernel load all modules when boot? |
| 02:47.31 | PerfDave | TraceGreen: No |
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| 02:47.44 | TraceGreen | mathieu, or, how can i see which module loaded at boot time? |
| 02:47.50 | PerfDave | TraceGreen: lsmod |
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| 02:47.56 | PerfDave | Or read /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | !parallel boot |
| 02:47.58 | dpkg | somebody said parallel boot was http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-boot.html?ca=dnt-437 |
| 02:48.11 | diana | How can I tell what resolution I am running in right now? |
| 02:48.23 | karsten | diana: xdpyinfo IIRC. |
| 02:48.24 | TraceGreen | PerfDave, thanks, i think i will study it. |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | xdpyinfo |
| 02:48.27 | harryl | vidtune |
| 02:48.28 | odla | i get this strange error when i try to run gnome-terminal |
| 02:48.29 | odla | gnome-terminal: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libvte.so.4: invalid ELF header |
| 02:48.36 | PerfDave | diana: Run "xrandr" from an xterm |
| 02:48.44 | odla | i have libvte installed |
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| 02:49.01 | karsten | harryl: Eew! |
| 02:49.08 | harryl | I am new |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | i thought xvidtune died with X4 :) |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | or X3 i mean |
| 02:49.38 | idis | diana: you'd really be better off with a good list of nifty X commands, that takes time to read but understanding is priceless |
| 02:50.05 | mathias64 | diana: xdpyinfo |
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| 02:51.23 | harryl | xrandr just tried it thanks |
| 02:51.28 | diana | abrotman: Where is slim? |
| 02:51.34 | diana | Did you manually install it yet? |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | diana: wtf are you talking about ? |
| 02:52.47 | diana | What is the best video card for debian(not ati/nvidia)...something good to play games on and have open source drivers so it will support 3d accel out of the box when I install debian. |
| 02:52.54 | diana | abrotman: slim.berlios.de |
| 02:53.08 | abrotman | diana: i use debian ? |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | diana: oh .. there's an RFP for it |
| 02:53.49 | PerfDave | diana: As far as I am aware, there are no cards with open-source 3D accelerated drivers which are good enough for gaming, unless you want to play old games in low res on an ATI card in xorg. |
| 02:54.09 | PerfDave | diana: And if you want that to work "out of the box", you'll have to run the gauntlet of netinstalling Etch. |
| 02:54.13 | abrotman | !dbugs 337578 |
| 02:54.16 | dpkg | #337578:W[wnpp] ITP: slim - Simple LogIn Manager; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 01:33:01 UTC |
| 02:54.18 | diana | abrotman: yea I made a wnpp |
| 02:54.20 | diana | And it was itped |
| 02:54.22 | abrotman | PerfDave: i game on mine! |
| 02:54.28 | diana | That was a long time ago thoough |
| 02:54.34 | PerfDave | abrotman: nethack doesn't count ;) |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | PerfDave: no .. GL stuff works |
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| 02:55.00 | PerfDave | abrotman: I know it *works* |
| 02:55.02 | Thanatermesis | how to mark a package for not-upgrade ? |
| 02:55.09 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 02:55.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: though .. i haven't tried any new-ish games .. in a while |
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| 02:55.25 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, please read what I said about old games ;) |
| 02:55.27 | Thanatermesis | thx |
| 02:55.28 | abrotman | PerfDave: except that super damn cool sub hunting game! |
| 02:55.52 | diana | viruskiller is the best game |
| 02:55.55 | PerfDave | abrotman: IIRC directhex did some benchmarking. You might be able to squeeze a game of Enemy Territory out of the Free ATI xorg drivers, but not Doom 3 or Quake IV :) |
| 02:56.36 | abrotman | PerfDave: intel :) |
| 02:56.55 | PerfDave | bzflag! |
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| 02:57.03 | foureyes779 | w00t |
| 02:57.04 | abrotman | PerfDave: http://happypenguin.org/show?Danger%20from%20the%20Deep .. that's a pretty damn good looking game for a 0.1 release |
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| 02:58.19 | mathias64 | brb |
| 02:58.27 | harryl | what kernel stuff needed to run pentium III as 686? |
| 02:58.43 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 02:59.14 | harryl | currently running 386 and want to run as 686 |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | harryl: uname -a |
| 02:59.41 | Tortel | What is a good programming language to learn? |
| 02:59.45 | mathias64 | all right, now we find out if xchat 2.6 is as buggy as 2.4.5. Nobody say irssi. |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | toresbe: Ada |
| 03:00.05 | abrotman | err |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | Tortel: RPG |
| 03:00.13 | gravity | Tortel: Depends on what you want to do. What are you interested in? |
| 03:00.21 | Tortel | everything |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | oh .. is that all |
| 03:00.29 | gravity | That's not helpful |
| 03:00.30 | Tortel | something useful in life |
| 03:00.31 | idis | Tortel: too vague |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | Tortel: what would you like to do with this programming language ? |
| 03:00.50 | Tortel | hows C? |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | great! |
| 03:01.00 | gravity | C is wonderful |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | C is fun! |
| 03:01.03 | Tortel | ok, ill get a book on that |
| 03:01.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:01.27 | PerfDave | harryl: I think you mean you want to run a 686-optimised kernel? "apt-cache search kernel-image 686", and install libc6-i686 while you're at it. |
| 03:01.28 | servus | I'm on XChat 2.4.4 and it's never crashed for me... |
| 03:02.00 | PerfDave | mathias64: irssi! |
| 03:02.01 | mathias64 | servus: 2.4.5 has issues. I'm trying 2.6 now. |
| 03:02.02 | gravity | Tortel: You want K&R |
| 03:02.08 | idis | Tortel: in case you still want to revert change, www.informit.com/articles/printerfriendly.asp?p=430402 |
| 03:02.10 | gravity | Tortel: aka The C Programming Language |
| 03:02.27 | gravity | Be prepared to deal with memory like you've never wanted to deal with memory before |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | gravity: is that really a good book for someone who has never programmed ? |
| 03:02.35 | gravity | abrotman: Got me. Got a better one? |
| 03:02.38 | PerfDave | abrotman: I learned C from K&R :) |
| 03:02.47 | idis | PerfDave: themselves? |
| 03:02.51 | PerfDave | K&R's not at all bad, if you work through it chapter by chapter. |
| 03:02.52 | gravity | I had a bunch of crappy programming books before I got K&R. |
| 03:02.52 | abrotman | gravity: no .. but i can't imagine it's good for a total newbie to programming |
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| 03:03.03 | gravity | abrotman: I know, but I don't know of a better one myself. |
| 03:03.10 | PerfDave | I knew Spectrum BASIC before I learned C though |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | there are tons of C++ books |
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| 03:03.22 | gravity | C++ is a pain in the ass though |
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| 03:03.30 | harryl | what is the difference between kernel...386 and kernel...686? |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | that's not the point! |
| 03:03.40 | idis | harryl: compile options? |
| 03:03.55 | abrotman | gravity: it's just that apparently there is only one book for C :) |
| 03:04.03 | PerfDave | harryl: One is compiled for 486 processors, one is optimised for 686 processors. They should contain (mostly) the same modules etc. |
| 03:04.11 | mathias64 | harryl: the processor it's compiled for? |
| 03:04.29 | gravity | abrotman: Pretty much :-) Most of the others aren't worthwhile. K&R has you covered. |
| 03:04.39 | gravity | abrotman: Besides, pretty much every other programming book wants to be K&R |
| 03:04.45 | abrotman | gravity: though .. does scott meyers make C books .. or just C++ ? |
| 03:04.46 | PerfDave | I learned C++ from the books which came with Borland Turbo C++ 3.0 for DOS *g* |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | PerfDave: i still have that book :) |
| 03:04.59 | gravity | abrotman: Dunno. Not many people make C books any more |
| 03:05.01 | abrotman | and the floppies |
| 03:05.13 | PerfDave | abrotman: 3.5" or 5.25"? ;) |
| 03:05.16 | harryl | another question: I got dma 33 cables on my ide's am I slowing it down? |
| 03:05.20 | exequor | could anyone tell me why i should stop using ubuntu and use debian instead |
| 03:05.22 | abrotman | PerfDave: 3.5" |
| 03:05.35 | PerfDave | exequor: If you're happy with Ubuntu, stick with it. |
| 03:05.42 | abrotman | exequor: because then you can ask us questions! :) |
| 03:06.03 | exequor | well i am trying to setup a lan connection and no one in the ubuntu channel would even reply |
| 03:06.06 | idis | abrotman: basic zealotism |
| 03:06.06 | PerfDave | Yeah, #debian does seem to be more useful than #ubuntu :) |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | idis: ? |
| 03:06.20 | mathias64 | exequor: because you are a Real Man? |
| 03:06.31 | mathias64 | or Real Woman |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | idis: i just said he gets to ask us questions .. with Ubuntu he doesn't |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | idis: how is that zealotism ? |
| 03:06.41 | exequor | mathias64: what do you mean by that? |
| 03:06.43 | gravity | #ubuntu seemed useful when I popped in there a few times |
| 03:06.50 | idis | abrotman: must you use debian to post debian questions here ;-)? |
| 03:06.53 | PerfDave | But really, Debian and Ubuntu seem to basically do the same thing. Debian seems a little more finicky about shipping non-Free firmwares etc., which can be annoying from an end-user perspective but good if you care about such things. |
| 03:06.54 | abrotman | gravity: i heard it was .. in the bigeinning |
| 03:07.05 | PerfDave | idis: Yes :) |
| 03:07.09 | gravity | abrotman: I was in there when they last released |
| 03:07.11 | abrotman | idis: that's not zealotism .. that's the way the channel is .. putz |
| 03:07.17 | abrotman | gravity: err . beginning :) |
| 03:07.32 | mathias64 | PerfDave: ubuntu _is_ debian. They take the debian unstable tree, repackage it, update some software, and distribute it. Skip the middleman -- install debian yourself |
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| 03:07.39 | idis | abrotman: doesn't forbid one to post debian-related questions while not using it? |
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| 03:07.56 | harryl | debian runs nice so far for me |
| 03:08.01 | PerfDave | mathias64: Yes, I'm aware of what Ubuntu is. Some people like the work that the middleman does. |
| 03:08.01 | litage | i have box1 updating its time from public ntp servers, and box2 updating its time from box1. box1 updates, but box2 doesn't. ``ntpq -p'' says " 234.41.168.202. .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00" |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | idis: i'd prefer if you were speaking english |
| 03:08.22 | PerfDave | I wouldn't try to convince someone running Ubuntu to run Debian, in the same way that nobody's managed to give me a good reason to use kubuntu yet. |
| 03:08.26 | idis | abrotman: i don't intend to change my nationality for you, sorry for misunderstanding |
| 03:08.27 | gravity | idis: Most questions from ubuntu users are about Ubuntu. Not Debian. As such, we don't support them. |
| 03:08.28 | mathias64 | PerfDave, I was somewhat replaying to what exequor asked, sorry |
| 03:08.44 | abrotman | idis: yeah ..that's what i asked for .. idiot |
| 03:08.48 | nissemus | Hello I have set up LAMP server based on debian sarge... How secure is it if all the php pages I serve are well written? |
| 03:08.56 | nissemus | Though I have no firewall |
| 03:09.01 | PerfDave | nissemus: How secure is a piece of string? :) |
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| 03:09.16 | jbroome | nissemus: well, if you leave the console logged in as root in a room full of linux geeks, not very |
| 03:09.26 | PerfDave | nissemus: Have you read the Securing Debian manual? |
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| 03:09.34 | idis | abrotman: nice trolling |
| 03:09.46 | nissemus | PerfDave for me its 17alnum |
| 03:09.47 | abrotman | idis: apparently you can neither speak nor read english .. |
| 03:10.01 | idis | abrotman: ab hominem, how nice |
| 03:10.09 | abrotman | wait .. so why am i still communicating with it .. duh |
| 03:10.17 | PerfDave | Not running a firewall smacks of sloppiness. You probably want an IDS in there, something like tripwire, something like logcheck, maybe nagios or something |
| 03:10.17 | abrotman | yay .. another one dies |
| 03:10.23 | PerfDave | idis: Actually, that's "ad hominem" ;) |
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| 03:10.36 | gravity | idis abrotman Cut it out |
| 03:10.39 | nissemus | PerfDave what are those? |
| 03:10.40 | abrotman | PerfDave: you're doing it too! |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | gravity: i already did! |
| 03:10.47 | idis | PerfDave: actually typos exists |
| 03:10.49 | PerfDave | Though frankly if anybody payed any attention to Latin, it'd be "in hominem" :) |
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| 03:11.19 | PerfDave | nissemus: Read the Securing Debian manual? :) |
| 03:11.24 | nissemus | gah ok. |
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| 03:11.59 | abrotman | nissemus: at the bare minimum .. a firewall |
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| 03:12.12 | abrotman | nissemus: it depends how much work you want to put into it |
| 03:12.21 | PerfDave | nissemus: But really, security is *hard* to do right. It involves an awful lot of things, not least your audit processes. You'll want to subscribe to a few mailing lists (debian-security-announce is a *must*), read some books, add Bruce Schneier's blog to your RSS reader :) |
| 03:12.26 | nissemus | as much as nescessare to make it secure. |
| 03:12.39 | abrotman | nissemus: unplug the network cable |
| 03:12.44 | nissemus | bruce |
| 03:12.45 | nissemus | ok |
| 03:13.00 | nissemus | abrotman yep right after unplugging the porwer cord. |
| 03:13.11 | abrotman | nissemus: actually .. before |
| 03:13.17 | PerfDave | abrotman: Unplug the network cable, encase the machine in reinforced concrete, drop it in the bottom of the sea ;) |
| 03:13.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: that's just silly .. the concrete might leak |
| 03:13.45 | idis | abrotman: s/might/will/ |
| 03:13.49 | PerfDave | abrotman: I'm not sure a firewall is a "bare minimum". I'd suggest that an IDS is more important than a firewall, assuming you know how to use netstat. |
| 03:14.11 | abrotman | PerfDave: it depends how you've set up the services ... |
| 03:14.20 | harryl | is there a frontend for ntp? |
| 03:14.24 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, and if you know how to use netstat... ;) |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | harryl: for what ? |
| 03:14.41 | harryl | configure |
| 03:14.44 | nissemus | ok I GOT IT! I'll go to the manual |
| 03:14.49 | nissemus | ;) |
| 03:15.01 | PerfDave | But still, having a firewall is a good extra layer of security above minimising the services you run. Defence in depth and all that. |
| 03:15.12 | PerfDave | I'd really really like to find a good firewall for Windows 2000 :/ |
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| 03:15.28 | abrotman | PerfDave: zonealarm ? blackice ? .. the windows firewall ? |
| 03:15.35 | nissemus | PerfDave would you toss me a rss link for his blog? |
| 03:15.50 | PerfDave | nissemus: http://www.schneier.com/ :) |
| 03:16.03 | idis | PerfDave: good for windows means in the kernel? |
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| 03:16.12 | PerfDave | abrotman: The Windows firewall for Win2K is fucking hopeless. The one on XP is fairly reasonable for domestic use, but useless for me :) |
| 03:16.43 | PerfDave | I don't think Zonealarm can filter on interfaces, which is what I need. And there's not much that can filter outgoing packets. |
| 03:16.43 | abrotman | PerfDave: the win2k one .. is good for incoming .. but it's so stupid that it doesn't do --related etc |
| 03:16.51 | wobbler | sygate is the only one i used |
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| 03:17.05 | abrotman | PerfDave: zonealarm can filter outgoing .. |
| 03:17.05 | PerfDave | Anyway, this if offtopic for #debian, sorry *g* |
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| 03:17.22 | JRWR | how do i look at someone else term (like somone logged in VIA ssh when im root |
| 03:17.25 | roby | What is it called again for sites that have "other" packages like lame and mplayer? |
| 03:17.56 | PerfDave | JRWR: ttysnoop |
| 03:18.01 | PerfDave | roby: "Illegal in the US"? :) |
| 03:18.02 | dvs | roby: unofficial? |
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| 03:18.12 | abrotman | roby: unofficial backports ? |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | !backports |
| 03:18.18 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 03:18.29 | roby | excellent |
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| 03:18.56 | PerfDave | abrotman: They're not always backports :) |
| 03:18.58 | roby | i tried backports first, but it seemed like backports are packages from testing/unstable compiled for use in sarge, guess i'm wrong |
| 03:19.00 | abrotman | PerfDave: i know |
| 03:19.06 | PerfDave | roby: No, you're right :) |
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| 03:19.31 | roby | ah |
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| 03:19.51 | roby | so the links dpkg just spit out are not waht i'm looking for? |
| 03:20.05 | roby | i'm trying to get sources.list deb links to lame and mplayer |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 03:20.11 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 03:20.17 | roby | that's the one! |
| 03:20.19 | roby | :) |
| 03:20.42 | roby | everytime i write down marillat i keep loosing the paper |
| 03:20.46 | JRWR | PerfDave: how do i get my tty# |
| 03:20.54 | roby | JRWR: tty |
| 03:20.56 | PerfDave | JRWR: who |
| 03:20.57 | roby | in console |
| 03:20.59 | JRWR | ;p; |
| 03:21.00 | abrotman | roby: so write it down! |
| 03:21.10 | roby | abrotman: lol |
| 03:21.31 | PerfDave | roby: Be aware that the packages in Marillat may be illegal where you are (such as the US) |
| 03:21.44 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 03:21.50 | roby | I know, one reason I like being in Canada :) |
| 03:21.59 | roby | but can't stand the cold here :( |
| 03:22.06 | dvs | roby: Uh oh. You just opened the floodgates. |
| 03:22.20 | roby | me sirs? |
| 03:22.25 | PerfDave | Hmm, I thought Canada had pretty similar patent laws to the US, is that not the case? |
| 03:22.34 | roby | dvs: i see what u mean |
| 03:22.39 | dvs | roby: ;-) |
| 03:22.52 | dvs | roby: From one Canuck to another |
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| 03:23.00 | thma | how can i run base-config without downloading 9 hours of files to install system? |
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| 03:23.25 | dvs | thma: dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 03:23.28 | dvs | thma: try that |
| 03:23.29 | PerfDave | thma: What do you mean? What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 03:23.50 | thc | thma: don't pick any packages during tasksel. |
| 03:23.59 | thc | you don't need dpkg-reconfigure, base-config is a command. |
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| 03:24.03 | roby | PerfDave: i'm not sure, but I think the Canadian ones are slightly more lenient |
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| 03:24.27 | thma | i have two sarge dvds but i dont want to download all the newest versions to get started |
| 03:24.28 | CompWizrd | and no stupid blackberry-ntp crap going on in canada |
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| 03:24.43 | thc | thma: if you mean security updates, you want those. |
| 03:24.46 | mathias64 | OK, so here's a loaded question. I have been using debian unstable for years and years, with no problems, and I always seem to have mostly current software. What if any advantage is there to switching to ubuntu? Note: I don't run gnome. |
| 03:24.47 | dvs | thma: You can install the DVD and upgrade |
| 03:24.49 | abrotman | down with RIM! |
| 03:24.56 | thma | i dont consider mozilla a security update |
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| 03:24.59 | dvs | abrotman: Bite your tongue! |
| 03:25.11 | PerfDave | thma: So don't install mozilla and it won't give you a security update for it :) |
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| 03:25.16 | thma | i plan to upgrade after its installed |
| 03:25.44 | PerfDave | thma: If you do a minimal install, it will only give you security updates for the base packages. Or you can disable security updates at install time, but that's a pretty bad idea. |
| 03:26.03 | PerfDave | mathias64: I think you mway want to ask #ubuntu. I don't see any reason to switch to Ubuntu at all :) |
| 03:26.14 | Gumby` | does anyone have an idea what might have caused this error that lead to a kernel panic. http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/errors/kernelpanic.txt |
| 03:26.15 | thma | Ubiuntu stincks |
| 03:26.16 | abrotman | dvs: you graduated from RIM ? |
| 03:26.25 | blockd | waterloo I'm guessing |
| 03:26.26 | dvs | abrotman: Very close to RIM. |
| 03:26.26 | gravity | thma: No trolling please |
| 03:26.41 | dvs | abrotman: Like 200 feet from RIM |
| 03:26.43 | mathias64 | PerfDave: I did ask the same question on #ubuntu. I want to know. |
| 03:26.50 | abrotman | dvs: ok .. so down with RIM :) |
| 03:27.00 | dvs | abrotman: Oh you're crusing... |
| 03:27.05 | gravity | mathias64: The way to find out is to switch and see |
| 03:27.07 | dvs | ;-) |
| 03:27.12 | PerfDave | mathias64: Fair enough. Like I say, I don't see any reason to switch to Ubuntu at all :) |
| 03:27.13 | gravity | Asking in here won't get you much |
| 03:27.15 | abrotman | dvs: it's more about the joy of seeing C*Os country-wide being bored out of their mind on thier commute |
| 03:27.23 | mathias64 | gravity: what would change if I switched? |
| 03:27.25 | dvs | heh |
| 03:27.38 | abrotman | mathias64: you could use gnome! |
| 03:27.41 | gravity | mathias64: I have no idea. Switch and find out if you're curious. Same as for any other distro you want to know about. |
| 03:28.07 | nixie | Gumby`: problem with the disk your swap is on? |
| 03:28.23 | idis | mathias64: to ease your life get to facts... look for factual differences |
| 03:28.32 | CompWizrd | my blackberry makes work so much easier, considreing i'm deaf and that people can just email me instead of talkign to me on the phone |
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| 03:28.57 | Gumby` | nixie: possibly. never had any issues with it before though |
| 03:29.01 | PerfDave | I've not seen the point in a blackberry as oposed to a decent PDA |
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| 03:29.11 | abrotman | PerfDave: not all PDAs can do email |
| 03:29.13 | CompWizrd | PerfDave: well, blackberry does email very nicely :) |
| 03:29.21 | CompWizrd | plus i get unlimited data transfer |
| 03:29.28 | ding0k | the newest ntop package for x86_64 keeps crashing out. Does anyone know of a good alternative to use? .. or should I just install the old version. |
| 03:29.29 | CompWizrd | as long as i avoid the US, where they charge me 8 dollars a _meg_ |
| 03:29.31 | PerfDave | abrotman: Most can these days, no? |
| 03:29.46 | PerfDave | From what I've seen, blackberries have a screen that would have me screaming within minutes. |
| 03:29.54 | PerfDave | ding0k: Ask #debian-amd64? Check the BTS? |
| 03:30.02 | abrotman | PerfDave: if you pay for intarweb with it . i suppose so |
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| 03:30.24 | CompWizrd | PerfDave: i keep mine at the smallest font it allows, and it doesn't bother me.. i've done ssh on it as well, gives me something like a 60x24 display |
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| 03:30.40 | PerfDave | CompWizrd: irssi! :) |
| 03:30.45 | thma | I unplugged NIC and let it complain about not finding security.debain.org I wouldnt have minded escept it was d'loing so slow |
| 03:30.48 | PerfDave | abrotman: Starbucks! :) |
| 03:30.50 | CompWizrd | i have the 7510, i wish i'd been able to wait a month when the 7520 came out |
| 03:30.51 | mtupper | anybody know xmail install on sarge? i am trying from using the v1.22 manual which says: Copy the supplied MailRoot directory where you want it to reside (normally /var). Problem is I cant even find the "supplied" MailRoot directory... |
| 03:31.07 | abrotman | PerfDave: we're not all coffee addicts! |
| 03:31.13 | CompWizrd | because the 7520 has bluetooth, wihch would let me use; http://www.elihearing.com/UnitedStatesENG/Docs/Features1.htm |
| 03:31.21 | PerfDave | abrotman: Neither am I (not that I'd be seen dead in Starbucks anyway) |
| 03:31.38 | PerfDave | Mmm, Bluetooth. The sweet taste of insecurity *g* |
| 03:31.39 | abrotman | PerfDave: just wait til you come to the states! |
| 03:31.53 | PerfDave | abrotman: I wouldn't be seen dead in the States either. |
| 03:32.12 | harryl | 7/11better than starbucks |
| 03:32.20 | abrotman | PerfDave: yeah .. which is worse .. starbucks or .us ? :) |
| 03:32.21 | CompWizrd | tim hortons forever! |
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| 03:32.35 | CompWizrd | they give me weird looks when i do get coffee from tim hortons(ever so rarely) |
| 03:32.42 | PerfDave | abrotman: I vote left-wing and fuck boys. I have sympathies with the Communist Party. I'll steer cleer of the US *g* |
| 03:32.45 | CompWizrd | seems few people put 5-6 packets of sugar in coffee... |
| 03:32.47 | nadjyla | hello |
| 03:33.00 | wang | heh |
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| 03:33.02 | ding0k | PerfDave: They really don't like talking in there..I was hoping that maybe someone in here could provide some assistence |
| 03:33.22 | PerfDave | ding0k: Did you check the BTS? The amd64 mailing lists? |
| 03:33.35 | PerfDave | abrotman: Well, one attempts to indoctrinate foreign cultures by imposing local standards, and the other is the USA *g* |
| 03:33.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:34.08 | mathias64 | ding0k: I don't run ntop. I would check the bug list, then look for a more recent version to compile myself. I do run amd64, btw. |
| 03:34.08 | ding0k | I made a report on the BTS |
| 03:34.40 | ding0k | PerfDave: there hasn't been a release since I reported |
| 03:34.58 | Tortel | WooT! |
| 03:35.00 | Tortel | :D |
| 03:35.02 | Tortel | !w00t |
| 03:35.02 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
| 03:35.06 | SlayerXP | err minus the "/me" |
| 03:35.09 | thc | SlayerXP: stop driving drink at 4:30am then. |
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| 03:35.15 | thc | s/drink/drunk/g |
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| 03:36.08 | SlayerXP | guy on #svn asking questions about starting using svn. |
| 03:36.21 | SlayerXP | <drivamgr2005> ok then. will give it a go. Is it ok to come back to you if I have a problem? |
| 03:36.21 | SlayerXP | <housel> sure |
| 03:36.21 | SlayerXP | <drivamgr2005> I hit the first snag straight away. I do not have a svn command in my linux system. |
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| 03:36.54 | idis | that's a go |
| 03:36.57 | PerfDave | !tell drivamgr2005 about installit |
| 03:37.05 | SlayerXP | PerfDave: wrong channel |
| 03:37.08 | mathias64 | ding0k: what version of ntop are you running? |
| 03:37.11 | abrotman | SlayerXP: it was a joke |
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| 03:37.13 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: It seemed to work though :/ |
| 03:37.49 | ding0k | mathias64: 3.2rc1 |
| 03:38.41 | SlayerXP | <drivamgr2005> who sent me the message from dpkg? |
| 03:38.42 | SlayerXP | <drivamgr2005> I dont use debian |
| 03:38.44 | SlayerXP | PerfDave: yup |
| 03:38.55 | jair_11 | abrotman, I was doing a connection tunneling vnc and ssh and I got it ;) but the computer have a hostname "abrotman" and I tried abromant:1 faild, I tried 192.168.x.x:1 and faild, then I tried localhost:1 and it works. |
| 03:38.55 | ding0k | mathias64: I just installed the package from the amd64.debian.org tree |
| 03:38.58 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: Hmm, I think that should be fixed in dpkg *g* |
| 03:39.11 | jair_11 | abrotman, have you ever stablish a connection like this? |
| 03:39.19 | jair_11 | abrotman, using vnc and ssh? |
| 03:39.26 | abrotman | jair_11: you named your computer after me ? |
| 03:39.31 | mathias64 | ding0k: I was looking at ntop.org to see if they have a newer version, but their cvs link is broken |
| 03:39.38 | jair_11 | abrotman, hahaha it is an example :) |
| 03:39.43 | ding0k | mathias64: beautiful |
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| 03:40.06 | idis | abrotman: it was a joke |
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| 03:40.13 | jair_11 | abrotman, but I probably need to rename the "hostname" or add it to the host.conf |
| 03:40.14 | abrotman | no shit .. you think ? |
| 03:40.26 | abrotman | jair_11: yes .. unless you have internal DNS |
| 03:40.34 | ding0k | mathias64: lol..I think I might try to find the version that was working perfectly before...ntop released a new version..and it was packaged..and I did an apt-get upgrade...ntop has been broken ever since... = / |
| 03:40.43 | jair_11 | abrotman, and that dns have to be like bind right |
| 03:40.45 | abrotman | jair_11: though the 192.168.x.x. should work |
| 03:40.53 | jair_11 | abrotman, did not |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | jair_11: perhaps vnc isn't listening on all interfaces ? |
| 03:40.58 | jair_11 | don't know why |
| 03:41.06 | ding0k | mathias64: It looks prettier..I'll give it that |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | use netstat to see |
| 03:41.08 | Daveman | evening, abrotman |
| 03:41.11 | buu | Hrm. Anyone have any opinions on lots of cheap storage? I'm thinking about a basic mobo + 3-4 pci ide expansion cards and 6x320gb hard drives |
| 03:41.14 | jair_11 | the computer I am connecting to have one interface only |
| 03:41.19 | jair_11 | ok |
| 03:41.23 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok |
| 03:41.24 | abrotman | Daveman: it's almost good night :) |
| 03:41.24 | Daveman | buu: ez |
| 03:41.33 | jair_11 | netstat 192.168.x.x |
| 03:41.35 | Daveman | abrotman, heh - early bedtime? ;) |
| 03:41.35 | mathias64 | ding0k: you ought to be able to find the older version if you look around. It looks like ntop just released 3.2 in October, so it's not surprising it has problems. |
| 03:41.48 | buu | Daveman: Eh? |
| 03:41.54 | abrotman | buu: can't you burn the porn to DVDs like a normal person ? |
| 03:42.00 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 03:42.02 | buu | abrotman: No =[ |
| 03:42.05 | Daveman | guess not :p |
| 03:42.06 | ding0k | mathias64: Ollie responded to my email saying I was full of shit. (in fewer words) |
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| 03:42.19 | Daveman | buu: yeah running a simple array is fine |
| 03:42.33 | abrotman | buu: why not buy a single controller with 8 adapters .. and use some sort of hardware raid ? |
| 03:42.35 | buu | Daveman: Looks like it'll be the cheapest. |
| 03:42.36 | Daveman | IDE has always been the computing industy's trash (for storage, anyways) |
| 03:42.49 | Daveman | Oh, most definitely. |
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| 03:42.56 | buu | abrotman: Expense, mostly. All of the 4+ adapters seem to run $200 or more |
| 03:42.59 | jair_11 | check this out: http://pastebin.com/451933 |
| 03:43.01 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:43.05 | abrotman | buu: yes .. |
| 03:43.06 | jair_11 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/451933 |
| 03:43.10 | abrotman | buu: but using sw raid sucks |
| 03:43.13 | buu | abrotman: I'm going to dead cheap here |
| 03:43.15 | Daveman | yeah, wouldn't it be cheaper to just do software raid, but it sucks :p |
| 03:43.16 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 03:43.25 | SlayerXP | i don't think I'd even _consider_ buying a raid controller that cost that little |
| 03:43.25 | Daveman | agreed - but hell, you don't have to pay for it :P |
| 03:43.28 | buu | What is so sucky about it? |
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| 03:43.35 | abrotman | jair_11: netstat -an |
| 03:43.40 | jair_11 | ok |
| 03:43.42 | Daveman | plus he doesn't need performance... though he probably does want it to work :P |
| 03:43.45 | jair_11 | abrotman, one sec |
| 03:43.51 | mathias64 | ding0k: what do you have to do to make it crash? |
| 03:44.01 | ding0k | mathias64: launch it and sit here |
| 03:44.12 | abrotman | buu: you can get a 2810SA for 550 :) |
| 03:44.14 | deadcat | any samsung laser printer owners? the Toner Save led is not on. what do i do? will setting it in cups be good enough or its better to see the green led on? |
| 03:44.14 | Daveman | lame |
| 03:44.24 | Daveman | heh |
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| 03:44.42 | Daveman | deadcat: it's an led, who cares!??! |
| 03:44.44 | Daveman | :P |
| 03:44.50 | buu | abrotman: That's a.. controller?! |
| 03:44.54 | Daveman | that's my response, anyway :) |
| 03:44.55 | abrotman | yeah |
| 03:44.57 | PerfDave | I've never quite understood why SW RAID sucks compared to hardware. |
| 03:45.05 | ding0k | mathias64: it doesn't seem to crash if I don't launch it with the init script. (but if I dont..the graphs are gone) |
| 03:45.10 | Daveman | clearly, you've never tried it? |
| 03:45.16 | abrotman | PerfDave: ask people who have tried to recover from a failure :) |
| 03:45.24 | Daveman | it's not that clear cut, either |
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| 03:45.27 | buu | abrotman: I could get like 1tb more for that much |
| 03:45.40 | abrotman | buu: ok .. it's not my data :) |
| 03:45.46 | PerfDave | abrotman: *shrug* From what I've read, failures happen in the same way and as often with hardware RAID as software. |
| 03:45.59 | abrotman | PerfDave: ok .. you try it .. let me know :) |
| 03:46.01 | Daveman | uhh |
| 03:46.08 | jair_11 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/451937 |
| 03:46.18 | buu | abrotman: =/ |
| 03:46.20 | Daveman | abrotman, nice call ;) |
| 03:46.29 | buu | PerfDave: What kind of failures? |
| 03:46.32 | PerfDave | abrotman: I was hoping that someone could explain it to me. There seems to be this received wisdom that hardware RAID is better, but no actual facts to back that up. |
| 03:46.38 | SlayerXP | PerfDave: except in one rather important respect: if your OS stops working then raid functions, such as rebuilds, stop too. |
| 03:46.40 | buu | PerfDave: It seems to be much "faster" |
| 03:46.42 | Daveman | PerfDave: READ |
| 03:46.46 | abrotman | jair_11: i don't see it listening |
| 03:46.52 | idis | PerfDave: why is computer hardware not as good as 10^-12 defect pieces? |
| 03:47.01 | abrotman | PerfDave: perceived ? |
| 03:47.03 | jair_11 | abrotman, but that is the machine that is listening |
| 03:47.12 | PerfDave | abrotman: received. |
| 03:47.13 | abrotman | jair_11: what port ? |
| 03:47.15 | SlayerXP | PerfDave: software raid inherently relies on a running operating system. that is not a good thing. |
| 03:47.26 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:47.26 | jair_11 | abrotman, i mean when i do localhost:1 it works I connect to it. |
| 03:47.33 | Daveman | well when one of you is running it... ;P |
| 03:47.34 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: Well, not on Windows anyway ;) |
| 03:47.36 | Daveman | pfft |
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| 03:48.03 | abrotman | jair_11: no IP .. just netstat -an |
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| 03:48.15 | abrotman | jair_11: `netstat -an` |
| 03:48.16 | jair_11 | ok |
| 03:48.18 | xpurple | How do I remove a symlink without harming the folder it points to? |
| 03:48.22 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok one sec |
| 03:48.23 | mathias64 | ding0k: sorry, got disconnected. I installed ntop to see if I can duplicate your problem |
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| 03:48.33 | abrotman | xpurple: just delete it .. |
| 03:48.35 | jair_11 | abrotman, what exactly will tell me netstat? |
| 03:48.39 | abrotman | or maybe .. unlink ? |
| 03:48.51 | ding0k | mathias64: can I PM ? |
| 03:48.58 | mathias64 | yes |
| 03:48.59 | buu | SlayerXP: Heh, I'd love to have hardware raid, but I don't have 500 to drop on it. It's not like the data is all that important. |
| 03:49.00 | xpurple | unlink worked! |
| 03:49.00 | xpurple | cool |
| 03:49.05 | xpurple | Thanks :) |
| 03:49.15 | braniff | what's the main debian unstable repository line ('deb http://ftp.debian.org blah blah) to add using synaptic ?? |
| 03:49.25 | abrotman | buu: a four port is cheaper |
| 03:49.34 | SlayerXP | braniff: if you can't work that out, you shouldn't be running unsyable |
| 03:49.35 | buu | abrotman: But I have six drives! =[ |
| 03:49.37 | SlayerXP | unstable |
| 03:49.47 | PerfDave | Anyway, I was debating running software RAID to mirror two drives in a server, which doesn't have room (or budget) for a RAID card, and it seems that it's probably a good idea, despite some comments about software RAID being no better than no RAID at all. |
| 03:50.09 | xpurple | Software raid works like a charm. |
| 03:50.14 | jair_11 | abrotman, here is the one http://pastebin.com/451941 |
| 03:50.15 | secher | I'm having a bottleneck somewhere on my firewall. I can ping the firewall internally just fine, and from the firewall, I can get out just fine. However, when I try to connect from an internal system to, say, ftp.debian.org, the connection times out. another symptom is pings. in 60 seconds of pinging, I have 0 loss, but only 10 or so packets, and they show ping times of around 30-90ms. Does *anyone* have any ideas? |
| 03:50.22 | buu | PerfDave: I don't see how you could possibly say software is no better than no raid. |
| 03:50.23 | jair_11 | abrotman, it is "time_wait" ??? |
| 03:50.28 | idis | xpurple: until the software dumps core |
| 03:50.34 | abrotman | jair_11: what port is it listening on ? |
| 03:50.58 | braniff | SlayerXP, what the hell is unsyable ?? if you can't type than you shouldn't be on irc |
| 03:50.59 | jair_11 | it configure the vnc server to auto |
| 03:51.01 | jair_11 | I think 1 |
| 03:51.04 | jair_11 | or 5900 |
| 03:51.04 | PerfDave | secher: The FTP thing might be due to the fact that the FTP protocol is not firewall-friendly. |
| 03:51.12 | jair_11 | abrotman, or 5910 |
| 03:51.18 | jair_11 | abrotman, i have not idea? |
| 03:51.21 | blockd | secher: have you tried loading ip_conntrack_ftp? |
| 03:51.23 | SlayerXP | braniff: and what was the next thing I typed? |
| 03:51.26 | secher | PerfDave: It happens with http as well. |
| 03:51.26 | PerfDave | buu: I think people are just repeating (and exaggerating perhaps) what they've heard from others. |
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| 03:51.48 | abrotman | jair_11: is there a firewall ? |
| 03:51.52 | PerfDave | secher: Does this firewall do NAT? Does it have a high load average or low free RAM? |
| 03:51.52 | secher | PerfDave: blockd: and it's working, just *very* slowly. |
| 03:51.59 | jair_11 | abrotman, of course |
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| 03:52.14 | abrotman | jair_11: iptables ? |
| 03:52.23 | PerfDave | secher: Are you running tcpdump on the firewall to measure the latency between the interfaces? |
| 03:52.27 | jair_11 | abrotman, I have a 2.4 kernel with iptables, squid, snort, |
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| 03:52.49 | diverge | anyone here run debian on amd64 |
| 03:52.51 | abrotman | jair_11: check the firewall logs .. see if it's dropping packets |
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| 03:53.06 | secher | PerfDave: *That's* what I was looking for.. THANKS! tools are good. |
| 03:53.14 | jair_11 | abrotman, I would like to know how? iptables -l or something like that? |
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| 03:53.31 | abrotman | jair_11: check your logs ? |
| 03:53.43 | jair_11 | /var/logs |
| 03:53.45 | BeOSMrX | hey |
| 03:53.54 | jair_11 | abrotman, /var/logs |
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| 03:54.04 | BeOSMrX | who here doesnt mind helping me with an advanced technical issue |
| 03:54.05 | abrotman | that's one place for them |
| 03:54.15 | abrotman | !ask |
| 03:54.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:54.22 | samuel | sup all |
| 03:54.29 | PerfDave | BeOSMrX: Just tell us what your problem is and we'll see what we can do. Though if you're running BeOS we probably can't help :) |
| 03:54.45 | BeOSMrX | I would like to priv-chat the person (the dialog thing in a window) |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | BeOSMrX: you have to state your problem first |
| 03:55.05 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok I will check though thank you for your help |
| 03:55.07 | Paivakil | diverge: #debian-amd64 |
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| 03:55.15 | diverge | thanks bro |
| 03:55.18 | jair_11 | abrotman, I have to run now |
| 03:55.21 | jair_11 | bbl |
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| 03:55.22 | abrotman | jair_11: ok |
| 03:55.36 | jair_11 | abrotman, but I can connect when i use localhost:1 |
| 03:55.36 | BeOSMrX | oh kay, well I am not sure but I am using Mandriva 2006 and the #mandriva channel is not interested in helping me rather telling me to install firefox. |
| 03:55.57 | jair_11 | abrotman, what I have to fix is why does not allow me using the ip address or the hostname? |
| 03:56.01 | PerfDave | BeOSMrX: Mandriva is not Debian, and not supported by #debian. |
| 03:56.01 | BeOSMrX | it's opera, it won't start. segmentation fault when I start from command line. |
| 03:56.04 | jair_11 | abrotman, talk to you later |
| 03:56.09 | nimak2 | is changing my /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable and then doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" a good way of moving from testing to unstable? |
| 03:56.12 | abrotman | BeOSMrX: using debian ? |
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| 03:56.24 | BeOSMrX | what if I pretend I am using debian |
| 03:56.35 | BeOSMrX | I am using debian and opera wont start. |
| 03:56.36 | abrotman | jair_11: you must make sure vnc is listening on all interfaces .. and the firewall isn't interfering |
| 03:56.42 | abrotman | BeOSMrX: dpkg -l opera |
| 03:56.46 | BeOSMrX | k |
| 03:56.48 | PerfDave | BeOSMrX: Then we still won't help you, because (a) we know you're not using Debian and (b) Opera isn't in Debian :) |
| 03:56.50 | Daveman | buu: are you still here, you noob? |
| 03:57.02 | PerfDave | nimak2: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:57.03 | abrotman | BeOSMrX: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:57.11 | BeOSMrX | well only if you want to help because I am on my BeOS comp and i would have to go on my Mandriva system |
| 03:57.22 | idis | nimak2: maybe consider using aptitude also |
| 03:57.34 | abrotman | BeOSMrX: ok .. did you know that irc.opera.com exists to help with opera ? |
| 03:57.39 | BeOSMrX | really ? |
| 03:57.40 | PerfDave | BeOSMrX: We're still not going to help you because you're not using Debian *g* |
| 03:57.45 | BeOSMrX | oh that's cool |
| 03:57.54 | BeOSMrX | maybe I should try that - is it a channel, or a server ? |
| 03:58.00 | mathias64 | BeOSMrX: opera isn't in debian anyway |
| 03:58.06 | loopdee | is it possible to change the pthreads stack size? |
| 03:58.12 | abrotman | BeOSMrX: it's a whole server! |
| 03:58.17 | BeOSMrX | mathias I recognise your nick from somwhere... |
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| 03:58.32 | PerfDave | It's not helpful for you or for us, for you to use #debian to ask Mandriva questions, because we can't give Mandriva-specific answers :) |
| 03:58.36 | loopdee | i remember marthias sdl tutorials |
| 03:58.44 | loopdee | dunno if its the same marthias |
| 03:58.54 | abrotman | ok .. for a good laugh .. everyone join to irc.opera.com .. and do a /list |
| 03:59.00 | BeOSMrX | i thinking maybe microsuck ? |
| 03:59.08 | loopdee | o |
| 03:59.10 | BeOSMrX | not too sure. |
| 03:59.19 | loopdee | im wrong |
| 03:59.23 | loopdee | not marthias, marius |
| 03:59.28 | loopdee | or something |
| 03:59.43 | abrotman | BeOSMrX: and .. #mandriva exists! |
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| 03:59.45 | samuel | ok, on another computer i have debian running, and tried to add an ehternet bridge to use bnep (bluetooth network) with success!! however... ive completelly buggered up what i think is dhcp, since i can still browse ip addresses, BUT here is the odd bit... i ALWAYS get a connection refused error when browsing outside the network (ie - the internet) - and its working fine otherwise since im using a computer on the network right now |
| 03:59.56 | BeOSMrX | yeah but let me just say how much they suck ... |
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| 04:00.15 | samuel | im not even sure what is wrong... |
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| 04:00.21 | BeOSMrX | i will try debian next then if mandriva 2006 and I can't fix it. (since I can hardly use linux anyhow) |
| 04:00.22 | loopdee | someone is sueing ms because their xbox 360 is overheating |
| 04:00.23 | samuel | any ideas please? |
| 04:00.29 | abrotman | !d-i BeOSMrX |
| 04:00.29 | dpkg | BeOSMrX, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:00.30 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:00.35 | PerfDave | samuel: Your routing table is screwed? |
| 04:00.42 | PerfDave | Bah, irc.opera.com has a #gentoo but not a #debian! |
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| 04:00.55 | abrotman | PerfDave: it has a #AdultTalk too :) |
| 04:01.01 | BeOSMrX | oh boo hooo. I am rtring irc.opera.debianrules |
| 04:01.03 | BeOSMrX | bue |
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| 04:01.19 | blockd | BeOSMrX: try installing the static opera package to see if that works... if that doesn't work install debian ;-) |
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| 04:01.30 | PerfDave | abrotman: #sexy |
| 04:01.42 | samuel | PerfDave, that could be... but since i dont know anything about such things i let firestarter manage the firewall, should i remove it and do it manually? |
| 04:01.51 | nimak2 | thanks, PerfDave, idis |
| 04:01.54 | abrotman | PerfDave: #kama_sutra :) |
| 04:02.40 | PerfDave | samuel: I don't believe it's a good idea to use any automated firewall / routing tool if you don't understand what's going on under the hood. Your routing table, however, is not related to your firewall (unless firestarter messes with it) |
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| 04:04.14 | _Roey | hi |
| 04:04.35 | _Roey | why isn't there an OpenOffice.org for debian-amd64 if there's an amd64 CLasspath? |
| 04:04.43 | abrotman | _Roey: it's not 64bit clean |
| 04:04.46 | _Roey | ahh |
| 04:04.52 | _Roey | abrotman: in what way? |
| 04:04.55 | abrotman | _Roey: i heard OO doesn't run on Dells |
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| 04:05.00 | _Roey | abrotman: dah!! :) |
| 04:05.05 | abrotman | _Roey: dunno . ask #debian-amd64 or #debian-oo |
| 04:05.10 | _Roey | abrotman: well Dell doesn't do amds. |
| 04:05.14 | _Roey | abrotman: this one's for home |
| 04:05.16 | mathias64 | _Roey: openoffice won't compile as a 64bit executable. maybe in 6 months |
| 04:05.23 | _Roey | abrotman: they're pathetic :( |
| 04:05.33 | abrotman | _Roey: dell or OO ? |
| 04:05.33 | _Roey | abrotman: that's why I like kword and abiword. |
| 04:05.36 | PerfDave | koffice! :) |
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| 04:05.37 | _Roey | abrotman: both |
| 04:05.39 | samuel | PerfDave, thanks, i think that may be it |
| 04:05.40 | _Roey | PerfDave: what :) |
| 04:05.41 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:07.22 | samuel | PerfDave, okok, here is something odd though - i can reach gateway.2wire.net (the modem device) but not an internet site... |
| 04:08.08 | nimak2 | is your internet access broken? |
| 04:08.26 | abrotman | he's here |
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| 04:08.51 | nimak2 | differant connection? :-P |
| 04:08.52 | samuel | nimak2, me? |
| 04:09.07 | PerfDave | samuel: That's probably because the modem device is on a local network route, and the internet is on a gatewayed route. |
| 04:09.12 | PerfDave | But anyway, it is time for me to sleep |
| 04:09.28 | _Roey | gnight |
| 04:09.28 | nimak2 | nighty night |
| 04:09.31 | samuel | PerfDave, thanks! |
| 04:09.33 | PerfDave | Once I've finished reading these articles on how to take decent portrait photos that is :/ |
| 04:09.53 | dondelelcaro | heh. decent portrait photos |
| 04:10.01 | dondelelcaro | those are almost impossible to take |
| 04:10.30 | dondelelcaro | (unless you've got at least 3 light sources/reflectors) |
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| 04:10.53 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I know, but some friends of mine have asked me to have a go, and I'm on a budget and looking for good improvisation tips :) |
| 04:11.01 | nissemus | how can I see what is my current system load? |
| 04:11.10 | blockd | uptime |
| 04:11.23 | nissemus | thanks that I knew anything else? |
| 04:11.46 | nissemus | up 107 days, |
| 04:11.51 | nissemus | whohoo record. |
| 04:11.56 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: best idea I know of is to shoot photos early morning/late evening, bring white cardboard to fill shadows, and be imaginative. |
| 04:12.04 | litage | if a raid-1 array is running in degraded mode (missing sdb5) and a new sdb *with no partitions* is attached to the box, what happens? |
| 04:12.11 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: shoot 3-5x the amount of film that you think is sane. |
| 04:12.25 | nimak2 | nissemus: top? |
| 04:12.35 | nimak2 | might be helpful |
| 04:12.47 | cmorgan | litage: i don't think anything happens if the drive lacks a signature |
| 04:12.56 | litage | cmorgan: a signature? |
| 04:13.10 | cmorgan | litage: i thought every raid drive was marked |
| 04:13.16 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Fortunately I'm shooting onto a fat-ass CF card ;) |
| 04:13.29 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: ah. yeah, definetly shoot away then. |
| 04:13.37 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: you basically can't shoot to many shots |
| 04:13.53 | amd_goon_ | nissemus: xload -update 5 |
| 04:14.17 | dondelelcaro | my only other tip is to not trust the auto focuser on most digital cameras. They tend to suck horribly. |
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| 04:14.27 | nissemus | amd_goon_ not runnin' X |
| 04:14.30 | salmenara | Inside the home user, I have mounted a partition |
| 04:14.35 | mhoss_ | Using gdmflexiserver -l (via the xscreensaver "New Login" button) --> when logging in a gui error box opens up "No volume control elements and/or devices found." Google=zilch. log search and man=0 what am i missing? |
| 04:14.39 | salmenara | how can I access it through SAMBA ?? |
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| 04:15.08 | raden | how do i share a printer through LInux |
| 04:15.28 | cmorgan | litage: they mention a superblock in the mdadm man page |
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| 04:16.51 | blockd | nissemus: there's also tload that comes with procps, but I really don't know what you have in mind... |
| 04:17.16 | dondelelcaro | raden: use cups or lprng, and make it available to other linux boxes running cups or lprng |
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| 04:17.29 | salmenara | Inside the home user, I have mounted a partition, how can I access through SAMBA ??? |
| 04:17.29 | amd_goon_ | nissemus: startx, lol |
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| 04:18.16 | some_dude | what mouse device should i use to be usb or my laptop's touch pad ? |
| 04:18.26 | blockd | amd_goon_: could be a server, in which case X might not really be wanted or installed |
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| 04:19.24 | amd_goon_ | blockd: I know, just flapping my gums ;-). Don't know another way |
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| 04:20.14 | amd_goon_ | Is there an ncurses thing for a load graph? |
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| 04:21.05 | blockd | tload should show you the load continuously and make a graph out of asterisks... that's the best I know of off-hand, though there might be something snazzier. |
| 04:21.44 | blockd | best I know of without X anyway... |
| 04:21.48 | amd_goon_ | ok, good. |
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| 04:23.08 | blockd | ... that or "while true; do cat /proc/loadavg; sleep $TIME; done" ;-) |
| 04:24.11 | amd_goon_ | sure! |
| 04:24.21 | blockd | (but no graph of course... anyway) |
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| 04:34.14 | raden | dondelelcaro, how do i make it available to other boxes is there a howto im soo used to linux server windows nodes that a all linux enviroment thgrew me off :) LOL |
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| 04:35.20 | loopdee | what is the xfree86-dga? |
| 04:35.52 | loopdee | in english |
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| 04:37.27 | predius_ | !info xfree86-dga sarge |
| 04:37.28 | quadra | [ !unload : no module with this name ] |
| 04:37.39 | sohmestra | are there any amd64 backports of x.org around? |
| 04:37.48 | loopdee | !info xfree86-dga sarge |
| 04:37.48 | quadra | [ !unload : no module with this name ] |
| 04:37.59 | thc | wtf? |
| 04:38.02 | loopdee | hmm |
| 04:38.02 | thc | quadra: hi |
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| 04:40.45 | ideas1 | Problem- when i ssh to my debian server, my terminal acts funny the arrow keys print out ^H~, the backspace key prints out giberish as well |
| 04:41.11 | ideas1 | anyone else have this problem??? |
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| 04:41.47 | predius_ | ideas1: echo $TERM |
| 04:42.10 | thc | !hi |
| 04:42.10 | dpkg | hello, thc |
| 04:42.25 | thc | !info foo sarge |
| 04:42.26 | quadra | [ !unload : no module with this name ] |
| 04:42.41 | thc | who's bot is that, and what the hell is it supposed to do |
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| 04:42.55 | ideas1 | preidus_: xterm |
| 04:43.42 | xai | Is there a substitute package for pcmcia-cs? I see a note in when I load the pd6729 package that there is a new system for pcmcia calle pcmciautils.. ? |
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| 04:44.20 | zorzella | anyone, I upgraded to etch, but X is still xfree86. If I try to aptitude install xserver-xorg, it lists about 100 packages to REMOVE. Any ideas? |
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| 04:44.50 | predius_ | zorzella: packages such as as what? |
| 04:44.52 | mathias64 | zorzella: it will remove a bunch of packages, i believe, even if it is working correctly. |
| 04:45.29 | RevSlowmo | I have two programs that I think are using gtk1 and useing a weird font, xmms and audacity use it.. Where is this setting. |
| 04:45.31 | zorzella | predius, can I send you a msg with the output? |
| 04:45.54 | xai | debhelper pcmcia? |
| 04:46.25 | zorzella | mathias64, but how do I just say I want to upgrade everything? I'm thinking there is a bug-buddy package that works with xorg :^> |
| 04:46.34 | predius_ | !paster |
| 04:46.34 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 04:46.39 | blockd | ideas1: on a lark maybe export TERM to xterm-r6... I've seen some systems disagree about what "xterm" means (a Solaris system I used once) |
| 04:47.22 | ideas1 | blockd: let me try |
| 04:47.23 | blockd | or even vt100... though I don't know what the problem is. Just something to try. |
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| 04:47.48 | xpc | ciao |
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| 04:48.43 | zorzella | predius_, ok, I pasted (never done it before). Can you see it? |
| 04:49.00 | zorzella | predius_, it's at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1229 |
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| 04:49.45 | ideas1 | blockd: I did it , but my delete capitalizes the ltters |
| 04:49.49 | mathias64 | zorzella: are you running etch or sid? |
| 04:49.49 | xai | [Cadet]: long time no C++ |
| 04:49.55 | chino2 | how do i turn off something marked for boot ? |
| 04:50.00 | zorzella | mathias64, etch |
| 04:50.10 | predius_ | zorzella: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:50.23 | mathias64 | zorzella: have you ever used aptitude? |
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| 04:50.27 | zorzella | predius_, well I had just done it! |
| 04:50.36 | zorzella | mathias64, yes |
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| 04:51.12 | ideas1 | blockd: vt100 doesnt work either :( |
| 04:51.38 | mathias64 | I would try that, since it will tell you the reason that those other packages are being removed. Maybe there is a missing dependency, maybe there are replacements. aptitude tends to be sparter about that sort of thing than apt-get, and aptitude will tell you why a package is being removed |
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| 04:52.00 | zorzella | predius_, check http://channels.debian.net/paste/1230 |
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| 04:53.34 | derek7985 | anyone using fluxbox? |
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| 04:54.15 | zorzella | mathias64, I've aptituded for a couple of years, in fact. And for some years, before that, apt-geted... |
| 04:56.28 | zorzella | predius_, darn it. I've just realized I was doing apt-get dist-upgrade... aptitude dist-upgrade lists a whole lot more crap to do... |
| 04:56.54 | mathias64 | zorzella: can you paste that? |
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| 04:57.13 | mathias64 | the aptitude dependency algorithm is often smarter |
| 04:57.17 | derek7985 | anyone know how to change the background image in fluxbox? |
| 04:57.28 | dondelelcaro | derek7985: use feh or xsetbg or whatever you want. |
| 04:57.30 | mathias64 | derek798: xsetroot? |
| 04:57.31 | varsendagger | derek7985, i do |
| 04:57.43 | derek7985 | whats feh? |
| 04:57.47 | dondelelcaro | @info feh |
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| 04:57.51 | varsendagger | you have to edit init or some junk |
| 04:57.58 | varsendagger | just a sec |
| 04:58.14 | jsmidt | when will gnome 2.12 be in unstable? |
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| 04:58.38 | cat | jsmidt: when you read the debian news |
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| 05:00.02 | sshock__ | derek7985: I use qiv --root to set my background in fluxbox |
| 05:00.07 | nacho_dh | hi |
| 05:00.11 | derek7985 | sweet |
| 05:00.16 | derek7985 | thanks dude |
| 05:00.26 | sparr | well, ive tried to be patiend waiting for new nvidia packages but now that we are an even thousand builds behind it seems prudent to try to learn how to build the packages myself. i know that using the nvidia installer is a Bad Thing, so can anyone point me in the right direction for doing it the right way? |
| 05:00.37 | nacho_dh | i just intalled debian 3.1, i´m having some confic issues, can anyobody help me plz_ |
| 05:00.38 | nacho_dh | ? |
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| 05:00.57 | DanielH | Hmm... so I end up in here |
| 05:00.59 | z0id | is there any way to make 'time' output time spent on each processor? |
| 05:01.38 | dondelelcaro | !+info feh |
| 05:01.41 | dpkg | feh: (imlib2 based image viewer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.3.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 273 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 05:01.52 | nacho_dh | is there someone that can help me with the grub n the internet connection on my brand new debian inst? |
| 05:02.06 | dondelelcaro | nacho_dh: just ask your question. |
| 05:02.06 | varsendagger | hey how do i add a user to sudoers? |
| 05:02.15 | dondelelcaro | varsendagger: sudo visudo |
| 05:02.17 | nacho_dh | thnz :) |
| 05:02.19 | mathias64 | varsendagger: nano /etc/sudoers |
| 05:02.37 | varsendagger | like what kind of command do i put in there? |
| 05:02.45 | mathias64 | varsendagger: man sudoers |
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| 05:02.55 | dondelelcaro | varsendagger: like the same kind that is there for root; see the manpage for complete details. |
| 05:03.18 | nacho_dh | ok, i need some help first of all with my inet connection, i´ve just finished installing debian, 3.1 sarge, n my inet connection is not detected, i´m using a dsl modem (usb connected) |
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| 05:03.30 | nacho_dh | with an isp from argentina |
| 05:03.32 | derek7985 | im off,later all |
| 05:03.35 | derek7985 | peace! |
| 05:03.37 | zorzella | mathias64, sorry, system was stuck for a while. Check http://channels.debian.net/paste/1231 |
| 05:03.37 | varsendagger | derek7985, session.screen0.rootCommand: fbsetbg -f /home/dustin/backgrounds/FightClub-Wa |
| 05:03.37 | varsendagger | llpaper.jpg |
| 05:03.46 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.56 | varsendagger | i don't want to do that |
| 05:04.17 | nacho_dh | the modem is a sppedtouch 330 (adsl usb) |
| 05:04.33 | cat | how do you remove a packaged with its configuration? |
| 05:04.42 | dondelelcaro | cat: purge it. |
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| 05:04.48 | cat | dondelelcaro: ?? |
| 05:04.54 | dondelelcaro | cat: dpkg --purge foopkg; |
| 05:05.03 | grendal_prime | hey i got a wireless card issue |
| 05:05.20 | grendal_prime | im running stable on a laptop...working great by the way |
| 05:05.49 | grendal_prime | i love the new stable...same as the testing i started out with on debian a year ago but with alot less issues |
| 05:05.54 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: depends on what you want to do; it's not all that unusual for a single user who knows the root password anyway to have sudo access. |
| 05:06.03 | mathias64 | zorzella: it looks OK to me. some of the packages might be being removed because aptitude thinks they are unused. |
| 05:06.04 | cat | dondelelcaro: apt-get --purge package? |
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| 05:06.15 | dondelelcaro | cat: no. man apt-get; if you want to use it to purge a package. |
| 05:06.23 | nacho_dh | i really need this inet connection in order to download the rest of the packages |
| 05:07.27 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: If you happen to download a trojan running as a normal user, and the trojan runs sudo rm -rf /, and you just typed your password into sudo a minute before.... you're hosed. That's why you DON't want to have admin access as a normal user. |
| 05:07.34 | cat | dondelelcaro: i'm lost =( |
| 05:08.11 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: you're just as hosed if you have only su access. |
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| 05:08.36 | docta_v | Sun's bigadmin lists this command as a way to find large files being held open by a process |
| 05:08.36 | mitrick | hi all |
| 05:08.44 | docta_v | find /proc/*/fd -links 0 -type f -size +2000 -ls |
| 05:08.50 | docta_v | is there a good linux equivalent to that.. |
| 05:08.56 | kapil | cat: apt-get --purge remove foopkg. |
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| 05:09.04 | docta_v | i'm having trouble finding what's using all the space with lsof |
| 05:09.05 | varsendagger | check out #ubuntu those guys have some good answeres |
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| 05:09.11 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: by that trojan, or some other way? |
| 05:09.16 | mitrick | i just did a net install of debian testing its ok for now |
| 05:09.17 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: by the trojan. |
| 05:09.18 | mathias64 | I never met a trojan that know my root password |
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| 05:09.50 | mitrick | but i cant install nvidia drivers. its missing kernel sources of 2.6.12 and headers. |
| 05:09.52 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: sure, but the trojan can trivially modify your .bashrc or whatever and alias su=somethingelse. |
| 05:10.07 | kapil | docta_v: pose your question better. lsof is to list processes that have files open. |
| 05:10.25 | LinuxNIT | uh guys i tried to install freebsd on my laptop but it froze partway thru. now when i boot i get bad bootsector. anyway tofix this? |
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| 05:11.16 | mathias64 | so what is it going to alias it to? su requires a password straight from the console, the trojan can't make anything setuid. They might be able to steal my root password that way, but there's not much you can do from afar with the root password. |
| 05:11.17 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: if it's that big of a deal, you can always sudo -k; right after running sudo. |
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| 05:11.20 | RevSlowmo | How do I make gtk use a better font for 1.2, .gtkrc doesnt seem to be working |
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| 05:12.08 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: the person who asked the original question couldnt read the sudoers manpage. Is he going to know to type that every time? |
| 05:12.39 | docta_v | kapil: the problem is there's a big disparity between the file usage repored by du and what's reported by df |
| 05:12.45 | raden | how do you burn a ISO with k3b ? |
| 05:12.59 | docta_v | kapil: so...there's almost certainly some kind of temporary file being held by a process...i'm trying to find what that is |
| 05:13.07 | raden | never mind |
| 05:13.12 | docta_v | and I guess I'm not all that great with using lsof so i'm having problems |
| 05:13.13 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: why do you think I suggested reading the sudoers manpage in the same breath that I mentioned the previous entry? |
| 05:13.33 | docta_v | i can't seem to find what it is with lsof |
| 05:13.38 | Guerin | mathias64: what do you mean there's nothing they can do with the root password from afar? |
| 05:13.40 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: fair enough |
| 05:13.58 | mathias64 | Guerin: you can't ssh as root, and you can't su without a console. |
| 05:14.01 | grendal_prime | anyway, i use to slap the wireless nick in and hotplug (im assuming) fired up the nic and then fired up eth1 |
| 05:14.11 | Guerin | mathias64: you CAN ssh as root, by default. |
| 05:14.49 | grendal_prime | now every time i put the card in i have to open up this werid ass wireless config editor ..(kdeapp) and set it up..and it prompts me for the root users password every time as well |
| 05:15.15 | mathias64 | Guerin: right. You have to turn that off. ``PermitRootLogin no'' in the ssh config |
| 05:15.17 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: and moreover, someone who is you can trivially get a shell running on any port as you. |
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| 05:15.34 | dondelelcaro | (well, relatively trivially on any port > 1024) |
| 05:15.43 | grendal_prime | is there anyway i can suid .....whatever it is i need to suid so that the user can turn it on?? |
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| 05:15.56 | Guerin | mathias64: but why would people do that if they won't read man sudoers? |
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| 05:16.16 | grendal_prime | i thought maby there was a wireless group...but no dice |
| 05:16.17 | mathias64 | Guerin: I admit the debian setup there is ill advised. |
| 05:17.09 | Guerin | mathias64: I don't think so, I think the value of knowing you can shell into your machine as root in the case of catastrophic failure is pretty vital to an OS which can be run on servers. |
| 05:17.13 | kapil | docta_v: have a look at the size/offset column of the lsof output. |
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| 05:17.57 | jsz | hey my apt is screwed, openoffice.org broke it the stupid pice of shit! |
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| 05:18.10 | Guerin | jsz: i think you'll find YOU broke it |
| 05:18.10 | mathias64 | Guerin: for a server that needs remote access, I would disable password authentication and only use public key authentication |
| 05:18.12 | docta_v | kapil: is it probably going to be a pipe file or a REG file? |
| 05:18.31 | jsz | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 05:18.31 | jsz | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:18.37 | jsz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.44 | bonz | jsz: more likely the incompetent admin who maintains the machine broke it :P |
| 05:18.50 | jsz | but when I run apt-get -f install, problem is still there |
| 05:18.54 | jsz | I cannot install anything |
| 05:18.58 | Guerin | mathias64: that relies on users keeping their keys secure, and doesn't allow for the fact that you might have to do administration from anywhere at any time. I agree it's the secure thing to do, but it's not always practicable. |
| 05:19.27 | Guerin | jsz: apt-get remove openoffice.org |
| 05:19.36 | jsz | I did |
| 05:19.39 | jsz | doesn't work |
| 05:19.44 | jsz | I wish it were that simple |
| 05:19.44 | zeeble | How do you remove this red marker line in xchat? |
| 05:19.44 | mathias64 | Guerin: that's why i leave passwords turn on on my home machine, since I don't want to carry my private key around. but it's not the most paranoid option |
| 05:19.48 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 05:19.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 05:20.04 | kapil | docta_v: in that case try to use the -o flag to get an idea of the offset. ive reached my knowledge ceiling here. sorry. |
| 05:20.36 | bonz | Guerin: I've had the same in the past & have usually ended up dpkg --purge ing or doing something else too fix it |
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| 05:20.41 | jsz | it wont remove it |
| 05:20.47 | Guerin | bonz: that can work |
| 05:21.06 | jsz | openoffice fucked my box, Im going to boycot it |
| 05:21.12 | jsz | arseholes |
| 05:21.25 | Guerin | jsz: do you boycott hot water if you scald youself, too? |
| 05:21.31 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 05:21.31 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 05:21.35 | dondelelcaro | jsz: ^^^ |
| 05:21.36 | Guerin | jsz: doorsteps if you stub your toe? |
| 05:21.41 | jsz | no because that is an accedent |
| 05:21.45 | jsz | did you not hear me? |
| 05:21.53 | jsz | It won't let me remove it, why is it doing this? |
| 05:21.55 | Guerin | jsz: no, it's you not being careful enough. Just like this. |
| 05:22.00 | bonz | jsz: I doubt that, more likely you've done something too screw it |
| 05:22.01 | jsz | It has never happened with any other packages |
| 05:22.09 | mathias64 | jsz: so how exactly does one program fuck your box? |
| 05:22.21 | jsz | it won't let me install anything |
| 05:22.24 | jsz | or remove anything |
| 05:22.25 | Guerin | jsz: watch the Oliver Stone movie 'U-Turn': "Man, you oughta be more careful." |
| 05:22.35 | dondelelcaro | jsz: will you give us the output that I've asked for already, please? |
| 05:22.35 | mathias64 | ``it'' |
| 05:22.36 | RevSlowmo | I have a really bad non mono font in xmms that I can seem to change.. |
| 05:22.36 | jsz | so basically, Im screwed |
| 05:22.42 | jsz | ?? |
| 05:22.44 | jsz | dondelelcaro: ??? |
| 05:22.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell jsz -about bat |
| 05:23.15 | bonz | jsz: of course you werent smart enough too keep a backup of your system for such emergencies, im sure thats oo.o's fault too |
| 05:23.29 | dondelelcaro | whoa folks; lay off a bit. |
| 05:23.50 | jsz | dondelelcaro: join #flood |
| 05:23.51 | dondelelcaro | use /ignore if someone is bothering you. |
| 05:23.54 | dondelelcaro | jsz: I'm already there. |
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| 05:25.34 | mitrick | is this normal that debian is missing lot of packages |
| 05:25.47 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: care to be more precise? |
| 05:26.02 | deadcat | mitrick: you on unstable? |
| 05:26.28 | mitrick | i did debian testing net install yesterday. i tried to install nvidia drivers, there is no kernel sources and headers and i think modules too |
| 05:26.38 | mitrick | why? |
| 05:26.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell mitrick -about nvidia |
| 05:26.50 | deadcat | i am trying to get my lan windows machine to print to my printer on my debian box running cups. what do i need to do that? and anyone done it before? |
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| 05:27.19 | Guerin | mitrick: they're called linux-*, not kernel-* |
| 05:27.19 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: follow those instructions to install nvidia; the kernel stuff is all in linux-headers linux-source, etc. packages. now. |
| 05:27.53 | some_dude | i like debian, but i want the newer kde, what can i do ? |
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| 05:28.06 | dondelelcaro | some_dude: get a backport of it, or use the one in experimental. |
| 05:28.06 | some_dude | and xorg, instead of xfree |
| 05:28.11 | dondelelcaro | some_dude: ditto. |
| 05:28.12 | Guerin | !kde3.5 |
| 05:28.13 | dpkg | KDE 3.4 not new enough for you? 3.5 was released a matter of days ago, and it's not in debian. Ask #debian-kde, they might have ideas. |
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| 05:28.18 | mitrick | i know i got the linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 05:28.25 | mitrick | untar in usr/src |
| 05:28.36 | mitrick | and not working more |
| 05:28.42 | some_dude | i saw more features on another distro |
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| 05:28.54 | mitrick | and why do i need to recompile a kernel for using a driver thats not right. |
| 05:29.03 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: you don't need to. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 05:29.33 | dondelelcaro | some_dude: ? |
| 05:29.45 | some_dude | like swtich users and astuff |
| 05:29.48 | some_dude | and stuff |
| 05:29.52 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:29.54 | zeeble | use it. |
| 05:30.10 | some_dude | but i don't see that on this computer |
| 05:30.12 | mathias64 | some_dude: how often do you switch users on your machine? |
| 05:30.15 | Guerin | oh god |
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| 05:30.23 | Guerin | the stupidity... i cannae take it |
| 05:30.27 | jbroome | where? |
| 05:30.38 | Guerin | jbroome: ^ |
| 05:30.48 | some_dude | mathias64 a good bit on my desktop |
| 05:30.49 | jbroome | (the oh god part. stupidity is everywhere) |
| 05:30.57 | beardy | Guerin: Indeed. |
| 05:30.58 | Guerin | jbroome: hah |
| 05:31.13 | some_dude | and i like some apps i like to run as another user |
| 05:31.20 | zeeble | some_dude: use the distro that has the "switch user" feature. or read up on how you can do the same in debian. |
| 05:31.22 | mathias64 | some_dude: then i guess ``switch users'' is an important feature for you. |
| 05:31.29 | mitrick | kool this is a sooo long command to do just for a driver:D. im used in slackware to just sh NVIDIA..... and voila reboot X and i got drivers working |
| 05:31.41 | beardy | Just a another fucking xserver.. |
| 05:31.47 | beardy | Just run.. damnit.. |
| 05:31.48 | Guerin | mitrick: you have to reboot for slackware? |
| 05:31.51 | mitrick | no |
| 05:31.53 | mitrick | just X |
| 05:31.56 | mathias64 | some_dude: and su luser program won't work? |
| 05:32.13 | jbroome | wow |
| 05:32.28 | jbroome | i installed slackware for a client. once. |
| 05:32.37 | some_dude | i thought it was a feature of the newer kde, I did not catch the ver of that distro |
| 05:32.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:32.48 | Guerin | i found the slackware install was easy peasy |
| 05:32.53 | mitrick | thats weird i got messages now about my unconfigured kernel sources lolll |
| 05:32.56 | Guerin | it was the maintenance which was impossible |
| 05:33.07 | mitrick | it shoulda all been configured auto after apt-get |
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| 05:33.10 | zeeble | some_dude: if you want to run particular applications as another user,look up the su command. |
| 05:33.11 | jbroome | Guerin: just like SUSE. |
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| 05:34.18 | mitrick | loll now i got no nvidia glx cuz package not found in apt-get and i got a good sources.list config. |
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| 05:34.39 | Guerin | mitrick: follow the goddamn instructions you were given already |
| 05:34.48 | mitrick | why debian doesnt include a kernel with sources, headers, modules and ready to use |
| 05:34.54 | Guerin | mitrick: and try to stop drooling; it's not good for your keyboard to get so wet |
| 05:34.58 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: you don't have non-free in your sources.list |
| 05:35.24 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: read the last 20 words of the nvidia one-liner factoid again. |
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| 05:35.38 | mitrick | Guerin, im doing the instructions like i see them in the dpkg window and i got contrib and non-free in sources.list |
| 05:35.58 | mage | oh my |
| 05:36.01 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: have you run apt-get update; after doing that yet? |
| 05:36.13 | dondelelcaro | !+info nvidia-glx |
| 05:36.13 | mitrick | yep as usual |
| 05:36.14 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 05:36.23 | Guerin | i tell ya |
| 05:36.33 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: well, then if you can't install it, you've got a problem, because as you can see above, it definetly exists. |
| 05:36.34 | bonz | Guerin: ey? sanity in a school? |
| 05:36.51 | mage | he be joking |
| 05:36.52 | Guerin | hanging out with a bunch of 14 yar olds who're learning english will be like the fucking Royal Society compared to this place |
| 05:37.08 | jbroome | i think mitrick should give Guerin a shell on his box to set it up |
| 05:37.21 | zeeble | Dont they learn english online while playing RPGs? |
| 05:37.35 | bonz | guerin there's always some relief available by reading /server joke |
| 05:37.52 | Phated | Guerin: Harsh. o.O |
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| 05:38.04 | dondelelcaro | zeeble: we don't call that english. |
| 05:38.19 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:38.19 | deadcat | Phated: laser printer baby (= |
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| 05:38.24 | Phated | deadcat: \o/ |
| 05:38.29 | SlayerXP | Guerin: you could always use ethe inbuilt horoscope function to lighten your mood. "/sign <your star sign>" |
| 05:38.34 | SlayerXP | use the |
| 05:38.57 | dondelelcaro | yeay for stupid irc jokes. |
| 05:39.00 | deadcat | Phated: i feel like printing (= but i have nothing to print heheh |
| 05:39.05 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 05:39.20 | deadcat | free pinting fokes. just come pick it up (= |
| 05:39.21 | jbroome | unabomber manifesto? |
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| 05:41.45 | SlayerXP | i get to drive 200km this morning |
| 05:41.48 | SlayerXP | wooyay me |
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| 05:41.56 | SlayerXP | mostly on snow |
| 05:42.18 | cheal | anyone, and not dondelelcaro in particular, is the architecture dropdown in debbugs' pkgreport.cgi "Show bugs applicable to" section usable? and if so, what does it do? |
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| 05:44.17 | dondelelcaro | cheal: that restricts you to versions which exist on a specific architecture of a specific distribution (testing/unstable/stable) |
| 05:44.39 | dondelelcaro | cheal: primarily because unstable and testing don't necessarily have all architectures in sync (nor do you often care about all architectures) |
| 05:44.39 | cheal | dondelelcaro: ah...thanks |
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| 05:45.20 | cheal | dondelelcaro: yeah, I was thinking about architecture tags for bugs, didn't see that meaning |
| 05:45.43 | dondelelcaro | cheal: oh, nah, that's the second bit: only include bugs with tag foo... |
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| 05:49.10 | raden | what woiuld cause a 1.5" margin at top of sheet when i print with open office ? |
| 05:49.15 | raden | this is getting really annoyinfg |
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| 05:52.52 | mathias64 | i'm gone. later. |
| 05:52.54 | optish | is there a file that is parsed for all users when they login using gdm and xfce? i want to lauch xscreensaver for all users |
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| 05:53.11 | dondelelcaro | optish: depends on which session the users use. |
| 05:53.20 | dondelelcaro | optish: you can probably get gdm to start it, though. |
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| 05:55.40 | raden | could someone please offer some advice on my printing problem ? |
| 05:55.53 | optish | yea i read the man for xscreensaver and gdm portion seems to work |
| 05:56.13 | crash3m_ | raden: I'm assuming you've checked the page setup in OO? |
| 05:56.17 | optish | what do you mean by which session? |
| 05:56.22 | raden | in OO ? |
| 05:56.27 | crash3m_ | openoffice |
| 05:56.32 | raden | yes sir |
| 05:56.38 | raden | margins are set to .6 .6 .6 .6 |
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| 05:56.45 | crash3m_ | ugh damnit, call me dude, call me dickhead, call me anything but sir! |
| 05:56.54 | raden | and i have 2" on top everything else fine |
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| 05:56.59 | dondelelcaro | optish: a DM generally just runs a session for a user. Usually this means running /etc/X11/Xsession, assuming you're using the Debian session. |
| 05:57.05 | raden | acrobat reader does it and a few other programs |
| 05:57.05 | crash3m_ | are you using lp or cups? |
| 05:57.09 | raden | Cups |
| 05:57.12 | dondelelcaro | optish: however, gnome also distributes it's own funky sessions, which are all slightly different. |
| 05:57.20 | crash3m_ | have you tried switching cups drivers? |
| 05:57.42 | sparr | I have a PRISM-based wifi controller. I have never used it before. I am trying to get it to connect to my AP but am getting some errors from ifup and some in dmesg as well. Are there any programs out there for trying different settings to find those that work? |
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| 05:57.48 | raden | 3 printers same problem HP k60 / HP 4215 / HP 1000 |
| 05:57.55 | raden | tried diffrent drivers etc |
| 05:58.06 | optish | well i am not quite sure what you mean there but i am running ubuntu server install with xfce installed |
| 05:58.19 | odla | ubuntu? |
| 05:58.21 | crash3m_ | I'm not very farmiliar with cups, but I'm sure theres an option somewhere in the config for it |
| 05:58.24 | dondelelcaro | optish: uh... this is #debian. |
| 05:58.29 | odla | optish: #ubuntu please |
| 05:58.31 | optish | i know but they're related |
| 05:58.32 | optish | :) |
| 05:58.38 | odla | !ubuntu |
| 05:58.38 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 05:58.52 | odla | optish: see topics |
| 05:58.56 | optish | and no one is reponding to my question there figure you guys know more about this sort of stuff |
| 05:59.16 | optish | right well sorry if i offended anyone |
| 05:59.20 | odla | er |
| 05:59.30 | odla | we're not offended we're just not running ubuntu |
| 05:59.32 | sparr | optish: next time dont tell them its ubuntu :) |
| 05:59.36 | optish | just wanted to know which file....is it /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ? |
| 05:59.38 | crash3m_ | heh |
| 05:59.44 | odla | it's best to ask them cause they're actually running the same distro |
| 05:59.51 | optish | its xubuntu :D |
| 05:59.54 | optish | lol |
| 06:00.16 | odla | xubuntu equals not debian |
| 06:00.22 | optish | i did...mostly beginner questions and answers |
| 06:00.31 | optish | i know i know they are not the same distro |
| 06:00.47 | optish | but they are based off....ermmm...nevermind |
| 06:01.00 | predius_ | "but ubuntu is based of debian" |
| 06:01.02 | predius_ | there. |
| 06:01.44 | optish | actually i found out lot of my answers often searching on google with debian in the query more often then ubuntu for most non-gui related stuff |
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| 06:02.54 | helix | seems like there were fewer of them |
| 06:03.01 | cheal | hehehe |
| 06:03.57 | odla | cheal: why do you feel so alone? |
| 06:04.03 | dondelelcaro | helix: at least they could be dealt with with a simple ban forward... |
| 06:04.07 | helix | seriously |
| 06:05.27 | optish | so hypothetically speaking which file you add "xscreensaver -nosplash &" to in DEBIAN to have it start for all users? |
| 06:05.31 | optish | :) |
| 06:05.45 | cheal | odla: just joking about the number of offtopic questions |
| 06:06.26 | cheal | I don't actually feel too alone in a 700-people channel with frequent visits from "it's based on debian" folks |
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| 06:06.32 | dondelelcaro | optish: again, it depends which session, and which DM. the Debian session uses /etc/X11/Xsession, as I stated previously. |
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| 06:08.49 | optish | okay thanks i'll look into that Xsession is sourced by xinitrc but i havent tried editing xsession |
| 06:09.37 | dondelelcaro | xinitrc is just the startx/xinit rc script. |
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| 06:09.44 | dondelelcaro | has nothing to do with a DM. |
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| 06:11.55 | mtupper | anyone recognize this: Restarting FTP server: vsftpdNo /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed. ??? I have googled for a while and found too many webpages I cant even translate in Google language tools... |
| 06:12.09 | benek | o0 |
| 06:12.17 | mtupper | better yet, anyone know how to fix it? |
| 06:12.27 | raden | hmmmmmmm |
| 06:12.53 | raden | well obviously vsftpd isnt running |
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| 06:14.19 | raden | mtupper, what exactly is happening ? |
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| 06:14.33 | SimonRaven | mtupper: um, it just means it wasn't running when 'restart' was issued. |
| 06:14.41 | mtupper | raden, this is happening after I do this: ~/# /etc/init.d/vsftpd start and receive this: Starting FTP server: vsftpd. |
| 06:14.51 | SimonRaven | that's not exactly a big issue |
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| 06:16.03 | mtupper | I also tried this: ~/# vsftpd and got: 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket |
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| 06:16.25 | raden | wow |
| 06:16.29 | mtupper | where is Guerin when you need him? |
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| 06:17.29 | cheal | mtupper: usually at the toilet |
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| 06:18.02 | SimonRaven | i'd suggest you read some basic unix docs. likely it can't bind because there's something already listening... like um, another instance of vsftpd |
| 06:18.11 | jbroome | man's gotta have a hobby |
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| 06:18.45 | SlayerXP | SimonRaven: he's too busy to read docs, he has to urgently get an ftp server up for clients, I expect. |
| 06:19.06 | SimonRaven | *blink* |
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| 06:19.53 | mtupper | SimonRaven, I am suspicious about it having to do with a previous install of proftpd, which Guerin wisely suggested I remove in favor of something simpler like vsftpd, but I purged the hell out of proftpd... |
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| 06:21.18 | mtupper | SlayerXP, SimonRaven, not too busy to serve files to clients... just dyslexic and ADD so reading my way out of this could take a few days... IRC is waaaay better!!! |
| 06:21.28 | crash3m_ | netstat -natpl | grep 21 should tell you whats binding to port 21 |
| 06:21.43 | crash3m_ | mtupper: ^^ |
| 06:22.32 | raden | im going to beat cups with my USB cable |
| 06:22.38 | peterS | mtupper: my money is on inetd being the blocker |
| 06:22.45 | crash3m_ | try a scsi cable, they are more effective raden |
| 06:22.56 | SimonRaven | mtupper: just check that it's running - proftpd. netstat -launt | grep 21, lsof -n -i :21, and kill it if it is |
| 06:22.59 | raden | crash3m_, thanks; ) |
| 06:23.01 | bleaked | is there a way to have abcde ouput the encoded files into ~/audio/$artist/$album/<files here> |
| 06:23.07 | peterS | crash3m_: especially the ones with 50-pin centronics |
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| 06:23.19 | raden | i only have 60 pin ones here |
| 06:23.20 | peterS | those can do damage |
| 06:23.26 | mtupper | peterS, I think you just won the $250,000... result: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2173/inetd |
| 06:23.38 | crash3m_ | heh |
| 06:23.42 | SimonRaven | bingo |
| 06:23.47 | peterS | mtupper: right, so either run vsftpd via inetd, or remove the 'ftp' line entirely from /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 06:23.55 | crash3m_ | bingo? I thought we were playing trivial pursuit |
| 06:23.58 | jbroome | nice job |
| 06:24.09 | mage | I thought we were watching scooby doo |
| 06:24.42 | SimonRaven | i know i'm going to sleep. have fun kiddies |
| 06:24.47 | Lee__ | I can't figure out how to give a normal user permissions to use a scanner via libusb. I can use it only as root. |
| 06:24.58 | some_dude | any idea why my touch pad won't work right ? |
| 06:25.01 | mtupper | ahhh.... thanks dude, thats been a thorn in my side... I wish I could either IM you a sixpack or some Oregon weed or really send you that check for $250k. |
| 06:25.02 | Lee__ | Said user is already in the group "scanner" |
| 06:25.03 | peterS | see ya, SimonRaven |
| 06:25.15 | mage | Lee__, how is the scanner accessed? |
| 06:25.21 | some_dude | X -configure says it can't find my mouse at all, but it i place it on /dev/psaux it works, sort of |
| 06:25.21 | liable | Lee__: has said user logged out since being added? |
| 06:25.22 | Lee__ | via libusb + xsane |
| 06:25.32 | Lee__ | yes, logged out/in. even rebooted. |
| 06:25.37 | peterS | mtupper: my bank tellers would definitely wtf when I brought that check in. they know I'm not a rich dude |
| 06:25.49 | jbroome | oregon weed it is then |
| 06:25.50 | Lee__ | I added myself to the scanner group with "adduser lee scanner" |
| 06:26.21 | mage | does `groups` show this? |
| 06:26.41 | Lee__ | mage, yes |
| 06:26.53 | Lee__ | lee dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev scanner |
| 06:27.04 | mage | hmm i remember reading something about checking permissions in /proc somewhere |
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| 06:27.42 | Lee__ | maybe there's another group for lower level libusb access? |
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| 06:28.15 | mage | possibly |
| 06:28.42 | mage | but the way the scanner group works, is devices and files that should only be used by scanners are owned by that group |
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| 06:29.25 | mtupper | so peterS, more rookie questions... which is easier and how do I do it??? hahaha (total newbie here) |
| 06:29.25 | Lee__ | that's what I thought. you know what? I got it working a few weeks ago on another machine...I should check that one. |
| 06:30.01 | mtupper | peterS, I dont see in vsftpd.conf where it is stipulated |
| 06:30.06 | mage | wooo rookie questions |
| 06:30.08 | bleaked | if i installed a new hd, would it be best to run the debian partioner, or just fdisk it and manually edit /etc/fstab? |
| 06:30.16 | peterS | mtupper: I suspect it's simplest just to remove the ftp line from /etc/inetd.conf and then '/etc/init.d/inetd reload' |
| 06:30.28 | zeeble | bleaked: the second. fdisk and edit fstab. |
| 06:30.29 | mtupper | peterS, nor do I see ANY reference to FTP in inetd.conf |
| 06:30.33 | mage | simplest? actually thats the only way |
| 06:30.50 | peterS | mtupper: then I wonder why inetd is listening on port 21. there should be a line that starts with the word 'ftp' |
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| 06:30.51 | bleaked | zeeble. ok, thanks |
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| 06:31.28 | mtupper | peterS, checking again, but I swear its not there (its late though and I am a little haggered, give me sec) |
| 06:31.52 | peterS | mtupper: well, just '/etc/init.d/inetd reload' then, in case that hasn't happened since you blew away proftpd |
| 06:32.20 | mtupper | peterS, ahhh, shiznit, thats probably it... |
| 06:32.50 | Lee__ | mage, it looks like a hotplug problem. I found the /proc file for libusb |
| 06:33.27 | SlayerXP | reading is easier than.... reading. |
| 06:33.29 | SlayerXP | okay. |
| 06:33.56 | zeeble | haiku? |
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| 06:34.24 | Lee__ | that did it. damn. HTF do I configure hotplug for a libusb device? |
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| 06:39.53 | mtupper | peterS, damn, this is killing me, its still listening... and I have got only one service uncommented in the entire inetd.conf, which is: ident stream tcp wait identd /usr/sbin/identd identd |
| 06:39.53 | mtupper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:40.45 | peterS | mtupper: could be a runaway inetd process. kill it by hand: 'ps -fu root | grep inetd' and kill all such processes |
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| 06:41.14 | peterS | or 'killall inetd' but I'm never sure whether to trust killall |
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| 06:42.17 | test | checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile |
| 06:42.17 | test | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 06:42.33 | SlayerXP | test: yes, and? |
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| 06:42.54 | mtupper | peterS, i found this...: root 12248 1 0 Dec05 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/inetd proftpd restart |
| 06:43.19 | peterS | mtupper: odd. kill it. |
| 06:43.23 | mtupper | so is it # kill 12248 ...? |
| 06:43.36 | peterS | right. and if it doesn't die, kill it again, and if it still doesn't |
| 06:43.37 | peterS | then you kill -9 |
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| 06:44.24 | test | ... |
| 06:45.03 | SlayerXP | test: if you don't ask a question, it makes it fairly tricky for anyone to help you. |
| 06:45.52 | SlayerXP | test: plus the channel mind readers are on vacation |
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| 06:46.25 | test | oh |
| 06:46.27 | sparr | I have a PRISM-based wifi controller. It is providing two network interfaces, wifi0 and wlan0. dmesg reports that wifi0 is connecting to my AP, but i cant DO anything with wifi0. the hostap driver can bring up wlan0, initialize it, and send udhcpc after it, but it doesnt connect to the AP. any insight? |
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| 06:47.08 | test | configure:2689: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile |
| 06:47.08 | test | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 06:47.08 | test | --why ? you know? |
| 06:47.35 | SlayerXP | test: do you have a compiler installed? do you have a compiler installed for the language you are trying to compile? |
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| 06:48.04 | test | y. |
| 06:48.05 | SlayerXP | test: and why are you compiling, anyway? |
| 06:48.19 | test | lfs... |
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| 06:48.33 | SlayerXP | test: ...? |
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| 06:49.06 | SlayerXP | test: Lovingly Fermented Toasties? Little Fairy Tootsies? |
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| 06:50.27 | peterS | Linux From Scratched CD? Large File Support? |
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| 06:51.06 | mage | Linux From Scratched CD is too close |
| 06:51.07 | mage | :) |
| 06:55.54 | litage | when converting the # of seconds between Jan1, 1970 and some date, why does ``date -d "1132668000" "+%F"`` say "date: invalid date `1132668000'"? |
| 06:55.55 | tarzeau | hi odla |
| 06:55.59 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:55.59 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:56.04 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: fish? |
| 06:57.02 | dondelelcaro | litage: because that's not how you do that. |
| 06:57.09 | peterS | litage: try this: date -d '19700101 +1132668000sec' |
| 06:57.16 | litage | ah thanks |
| 06:57.30 | SimonRaven | #!/usr/bin/perl\nuse Time::ParseDate;\nprint ( parsedate(@ARGV) . "\n" );\n# EOF |
| 06:57.38 | dondelelcaro | litage: the trivial way is perl -e 'print strftime(q(+%F),localtime(seconds))'... but you may like the date thingie. |
| 06:57.40 | peterS | litage: actually date -d '19700101Z +1132668000sec' - the Z means UTC |
| 06:58.03 | dondelelcaro | (an -MPOSIX=strftime is required there as well) |
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| 06:58.15 | dondelelcaro | litage: info date; will give you more information than you wanted to know about that. |
| 06:58.20 | peterS | so 19700101 with or without the Z is ISO-8601 format |
| 06:59.04 | dondelelcaro | heh. date -d '@1132668000' "+%F"; works as well. |
| 06:59.08 | SimonRaven | i called it to-epoch-secs |
| 06:59.19 | peterS | I didn't know about @ either |
| 06:59.27 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it does in 5.93) |
| 06:59.34 | deadcat | oh guys. you have to know @.. everybody knows @ (= |
| 06:59.39 | dondelelcaro | I seem to recall that not existing in the documentation before... |
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| 07:01.00 | dondelelcaro | $ date -d '@1132668000' "+%F" |
| 07:01.00 | dondelelcaro | date: invalid date `@1132668000' |
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| 07:01.06 | dondelelcaro | yeah, so it's clearly a new thing. |
| 07:01.12 | dondelelcaro | (5.21 doesn't have it) |
| 07:01.19 | Gnea | úúú everybody: No such nick/channel |
| 07:01.31 | Gnea | deadcat: wow ;) |
| 07:01.36 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:02.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: so I have my excuse - with my eternally not-up-to-date (no pun intended) machine, I've still got 5.2.1-2.1 |
| 07:02.18 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. |
| 07:02.30 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I do, however, have a nice fresh swig. (: |
| 07:02.32 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I've actually not bothered to read info date; since well before sarge, so I can't be blamed either. |
| 07:02.48 | peterS | right, same here |
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| 07:04.34 | jm_ | it requires 'info coreutils date' since Sarge, doesn't it? I seem to remember 'info date' was OK in Woody |
| 07:04.47 | SimonRaven | i like mine better, less typing, and it's a script that takes the date - whatever format - and converts it to epoch seconds |
| 07:05.02 | peterS | hmmm, I just typed 'info date' and got it |
| 07:05.08 | jm_ | SimonRaven: FSVO whatever format |
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| 07:05.27 | jm_ | hmm, it only gives me man page with info date |
| 07:05.47 | peterS | sticks me right into (coreutils.info.gz)date |
| 07:06.00 | peterS | I mean (coreutils.info.gz)date invocation |
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| 07:07.41 | jm_ | just checked strace output and it's looking for date.info and various compressed files |
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| 07:09.53 | jm_ | that always annoyed me, because pinfo coreutils date doesn't work and I have alias info=pinfo ;) |
| 07:10.15 | deadcat | i am having squirrelmail problem. You must be logged in to access this page. <- i DO! |
| 07:10.15 | foobus | anyone know why dselect (or whatever) wants to remove k3b? |
| 07:11.05 | deadcat | foobus: the dselect devleoper hates k3b |
| 07:11.08 | foobus | hah |
| 07:11.16 | deadcat | no really. read the doc |
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| 07:11.22 | deadcat | the README file |
| 07:11.31 | foobus | I suppose I could use cdrecord direct... sigh. |
| 07:11.41 | deadcat | try gcombust |
| 07:11.48 | foobus | hmm |
| 07:11.49 | deadcat | not bad. |
| 07:11.50 | foobus | ok |
| 07:11.59 | foobus | I'll look for it. |
| 07:12.00 | peterS | jm_: hmmm, 'strace info date' indicates that it finds and reads /usr/share/info/dir and then goes straight to /usr/share/info/coreutils.info.gz |
| 07:12.03 | foobus | thx |
| 07:12.12 | deadcat | would be nice if they upgrade to gtk2 but i ain complaining |
| 07:12.14 | jm_ | probably because you told to to install something else, which means some library gets removed and k3b needs it |
| 07:12.21 | jm_ | peterS: yeah, I checked that file and coreutils is not in there |
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| 07:13.20 | peterS | jm_: I wonder why not. /usr/share/info/dir is supposed to be automatically maintained |
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| 07:13.39 | tobias_ | is there any way to avoid all the dialogs with apt-get? even -q -q doesn't seem to do it. |
| 07:13.47 | jm_ | peterS: I am trying to find the right way to update it now |
| 07:13.51 | tga | hey.. I'm having some trouble connecting to my bluetooth phone.. anyone played with obexftp and friends lately? |
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| 07:14.40 | guardoftheguards | How can i mount an external firewire hard drive. |
| 07:15.54 | dondelelcaro | guardoftheguards: plug in the drive, check dmesg; load sbp2, sg, sd if needed. |
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| 07:16.18 | guardoftheguards | sorry, but i dont know what it means to check dmesg |
| 07:16.49 | foobus | now why would kig ask for boost 1.33 when the current is 1.32? |
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| 07:21.29 | guardoftheguards | ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device |
| 07:21.29 | guardoftheguards | ieee1394: sbp2: Node 0-00:1023: Max speed [S400] - Max payload [2048] |
| 07:21.29 | guardoftheguards | ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[00063a280007ab26] |
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| 07:21.58 | peterS | but who will guard the guardoftheguards? |
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| 07:22.10 | guardoftheguards | sorry |
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| 07:22.51 | jm_ | texinfo docs say to run install-info, and some packages do this, and others don't (coreutils doesn't) |
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| 07:23.02 | tga | I keep getting this when trying to connect to my phone.. Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Device or resource busy |
| 07:23.09 | peterS | jm_: interesting |
| 07:23.21 | bleaked | does anyone in here use abcde? i would like to know how to output oggs into artist/album specific folders. |
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| 07:23.40 | jm_ | bleaked: you can specify that in rc file |
| 07:23.43 | peterS | jm_: /usr/share/info/dir.d/ is long overdue |
| 07:23.58 | jm_ | bleaked: OUTPUTFORMAT='${ARTISTFILE}/${ALBUMFILE}/${TRACKNUM}-${TRACKFILE}.${OUTPUTTYPE}' |
| 07:24.23 | jm_ | peterS: hmm the info docs for texinfo say that it's updating the dir file |
| 07:24.43 | bleaked | jm_. is that /etc/abcde.conf? |
| 07:24.52 | peterS | jm_: I'm just saying, this would be so much easier if someone had invented a dir.d/ directory that packages could just drop index files into |
| 07:25.54 | BlackJudas | hrrm, I get an error trying to eject my cdrom drive using eject... eject: unable to open `/dev/hdc' ... I've checked the /dev/hdc permissions (shouldn't matter, I'm root)... |
| 07:26.58 | jm_ | bleaked: no, ~/.abcde.conf |
| 07:27.03 | BlackJudas | mount /dev/cdrom -- mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device |
| 07:27.07 | jm_ | peterS: ohh indeed |
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| 07:28.25 | rohan | hi all |
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| 07:28.34 | rohan | any 'splashy' users here ? |
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| 07:29.02 | jm_ | peterS: hah 283637 |
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| 07:29.30 | rohan | keikoz: is it possible to use it on a distro other than debian ? does it work on an i810 card ? |
| 07:29.47 | anticoast | hi guys |
| 07:30.00 | keikoz | han ? |
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| 07:30.10 | peterS | jm_: sure enough |
| 07:31.28 | anticoast | which is the right channel to ask about kernel issues on sarge amd64 ? |
| 07:31.51 | BlackJudas | hrrm |
| 07:31.53 | peterS | anticoast: you can ask here. I don't know how many people are qualified to answer. |
| 07:31.57 | BlackJudas | google isn't helping |
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| 07:32.20 | anticoast | BlackJudas: no, google has not been very helpful =/ |
| 07:33.02 | anticoast | i'm getting a kernel panic; PCI-DMA: high address but no IOMMU |
| 07:33.23 | anticoast | this is with the stock "generic" kernel from sarge |
| 07:33.45 | BlackJudas | anticoast, heh, I was referring to my problem. Though IOMMU has given me troubles before. Can't remember exactly what it was. |
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| 07:34.02 | BlackJudas | Though my feeling with the latest 2.6 kernels, things are feeling flaky and shaky :/ |
| 07:34.19 | BlackJudas | Though you're talking about the 2.6.8 kernel, which should be quite "stable" |
| 07:34.25 | anticoast | yes |
| 07:34.27 | [Bart] | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.38 | BlackJudas | [Bart], heh \o/ |
| 07:34.44 | BlackJudas | 1.3 was a masterpiece |
| 07:34.46 | anticoast | now i cant get the damn thing to boot on the single cpu kernel |
| 07:34.47 | peterS | hmmm, 55 days since the last power blink here, and no crash-y since-y. but I'm not on amd64 |
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| 07:36.02 | BlackJudas | Hrrrm... too odd... My device is listed in /sys shows a state, shows the model name etc... all good, no dmesg errors ... can't access the damn thing :/ |
| 07:36.51 | anticoast | ok, any other place i should ask for help on amd64 kernel issues? |
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| 07:37.02 | rabies | hey, i have a K8N-DL motherboard and i need to find a lowprofile cooling solution for the chipset, unfortuately the vid card hangs over the chipset so there isnt much clearance. Currently it uses a small 8K RPM fan which just makes an obscene amount of noise, i was wondering if anyone knew of any more silent solutions |
| 07:37.02 | jm_ | the longest I managed was from Nov 28 2003 till Feb 14 2005 - we always had power outage at arround 100 days before that |
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| 07:37.21 | jm_ | and even then it could be left running, but I rebooted to insert a new card and boot with new kernel |
| 07:37.30 | rabies | i was thinking of something similar to a heat pipe (or a heat pipe) but i searched on google and i havent been able to find any for the nforce4 chipset |
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| 07:37.50 | BlackJudas | anticoast, you could try #debian-amd64 |
| 07:38.02 | BlackJudas | or #kernel, though neither respond quickly. |
| 07:38.03 | jm_ | rabies: don't most boards use just passive cooler for the chipset? |
| 07:38.08 | chino2 | what command do i use to control the init scripts ? |
| 07:38.16 | jm_ | chino2: /msg dpkg services |
| 07:38.18 | rabies | jm_: yeah, but the low profile and high heat output of nforce4 made that not possible |
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| 07:38.24 | anticoast | BlackJudas: oops, i thought i joinedthat channel alread.. maybe type. |
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| 07:38.27 | anticoast | BlackJudas: thanks =) |
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| 07:38.30 | rabies | jm_: they finally are putting heatpipes but my board was too new for that i guess |
| 07:38.32 | BlackJudas | anticoast, :P |
| 07:38.36 | rabies | jm_: er, too old |
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| 07:38.51 | jm_ | rabies: I thought only DFI has active cooler on nforce4 motherboards |
| 07:39.04 | rabies | jm_: Asus K8N-DL uses a 8k rpm fan |
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| 07:39.11 | rabies | jm_: its sad but true |
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| 07:39.19 | BlackJudas | jm_, all new boards with nf4 chipsets use active cooling :/ |
| 07:39.21 | BlackJudas | it's awful |
| 07:39.25 | rabies | jm_: i literally have about an inch and a half of clearance |
| 07:39.32 | rabies | i want a passive cooling solution |
| 07:39.43 | BlackJudas | rabies, you're probably sol |
| 07:39.45 | jm_ | really? and I am about to buy one in about 2-3 months time ;) |
| 07:39.49 | rabies | BlackJudas: damn it, whys that? |
| 07:39.49 | BlackJudas | sell the fuggin' thing :/ |
| 07:39.58 | rabies | BlackJudas: bah, screw that |
| 07:40.15 | BlackJudas | rabies, too hot, and if you want passive the only one I've seen that actually worked was the zalman passive chipset thingy |
| 07:40.18 | SimonRaven | it's tinker time |
| 07:40.26 | rabies | BlackJudas: theoretically heatpipes can do it |
| 07:40.28 | BlackJudas | rabies, and it's tall... about 3-4 inches |
| 07:40.36 | rabies | BlackJudas: but i dont know of any for a nforce4 chipset |
| 07:40.41 | BlackJudas | rabies, yep, they can, but are you about to build your own? |
| 07:40.53 | BlackJudas | rabies, that's because they don't make them :( |
| 07:40.55 | rabies | BlackJudas: no, hence why im asking if anyone knew where i can get one |
| 07:40.58 | rabies | BlackJudas: how do you know? |
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| 07:41.13 | chino2 | jm_: i dont have any of those commands lol |
| 07:41.18 | BlackJudas | I just bought one, and did about 2 months worth of research |
| 07:41.23 | jm_ | chino2: yes you do |
| 07:41.26 | rabies | BlackJudas: bought what |
| 07:41.29 | BlackJudas | Just crap I've learned over the net |
| 07:41.31 | chino2 | where? |
| 07:41.34 | BlackJudas | an nf4 chipset board |
| 07:41.38 | rabies | which |
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| 07:41.55 | BlackJudas | the msi k8n neo4 |
| 07:42.04 | rabies | same fan? |
| 07:42.12 | BlackJudas | yep, though the zalman works on it |
| 07:42.22 | BlackJudas | there's enough clearance to install that sucker |
| 07:42.24 | jm_ | you have at least update-rc.d |
| 07:42.44 | BlackJudas | even then you need your cpu cooler to be "omni-directional" so it gets airflow... |
| 07:42.44 | jm_ | I see the fan on the Asus board I was looking at, damn |
| 07:43.07 | BlackJudas | otherwise your chipset overheats... it's utter crap :( I hate noisy boxen |
| 07:43.34 | jm_ | and assholes require cookies to view enlarged pictures on the site |
| 07:43.40 | BlackJudas | jm_, yeh :/ the guys at the computer shop gave up rma'ing the boards... and just ordered an extra box of chipset coolers |
| 07:43.45 | BlackJudas | they die that often |
| 07:43.52 | chino2 | doens't the "agile web development iwth rails" have a chapter which explains how to setup lighttp and rails ? |
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| 07:44.20 | chino2 | i dont have any of those commands!! |
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| 07:44.41 | jm_ | then you're not using Debian |
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| 07:45.41 | guardoftheguards | apparently my firewire hard drive is being seen as /dev/scsi0 so what should the mount point be |
| 07:45.42 | chino2 | :[ |
| 07:45.44 | chino2 | yes i am |
| 07:46.19 | jm_ | no, Debian has update-rc.d in base |
| 07:46.35 | BlackJudas | chino2, you must be root first |
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| 07:46.57 | chino2 | i am root |
| 07:47.14 | jm_ | then you used "su" as opposed to "su -" |
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| 07:47.28 | chino2 | yes i just tried su - |
| 07:47.38 | BlackJudas | chino2, then I second jm_'s assumption, you're not using debian. |
| 07:47.52 | chino2 | i promis i am |
| 07:47.59 | chino2 | lol then why do i have dpkg ? |
| 07:48.09 | BlackJudas | :) Debian envy? ;) |
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| 07:48.17 | TimLaptop | I've got an old Debian testing system that I haven't booted since sarge was in testing. I just finished a dist-upgrade, and now I can't install a kernel because the kernel packages require udev and udev requires the kernel packages which I can't install because they require udev. What should I do? |
| 07:48.17 | BlackJudas | Much like penis envy... |
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| 07:48.24 | jm_ | chino2: are you using sysvinit or did you change to file-rc? |
| 07:48.39 | chino2 | jm_: i havn't done anything is a default install of debian sarge |
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| 07:49.01 | BlackJudas | chino2, type 'which update-rc.d' |
| 07:49.07 | jm_ | chino2: no way, Default is to use sysv-rc -- dpkg -s sysv-rc |
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| 07:49.21 | chino2 | /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 07:49.26 | jm_ | there we go ... |
| 07:49.27 | fireba11 | TimLaptop: tried versions between yours and the current ? |
| 07:49.29 | BlackJudas | there you go |
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| 07:49.36 | chino2 | there we go what ? |
| 07:49.43 | BlackJudas | there's your command |
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| 07:49.55 | BlackJudas | I also believe that you're running debian now ;) |
| 07:49.58 | guardoftheguards | what am i supposed to put under the moung point |
| 07:50.04 | chino2 | i was looking for sysvconf or whatever that command was that dpkg told me |
| 07:50.15 | guardoftheguards | *mount moint |
| 07:50.16 | BlackJudas | guardoftheguards, is sd-mod loaded? |
| 07:50.20 | chino2 | so this is the command i use ? |
| 07:50.37 | BlackJudas | yessir, update-rc.d to play with your init scripts |
| 07:50.46 | BlackJudas | also fun: man update-rc.d |
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| 07:50.49 | jm_ | TimLaptop: udev doesn't depend on kernel |
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| 07:51.13 | INTI_ARGENTINA | where is this server from? usa? |
| 07:51.14 | guardoftheguards | not sure |
| 07:51.25 | guardoftheguards | modprobe what? |
| 07:51.27 | BlackJudas | guardoftheguards, lsmod|grep sd_mod |
| 07:51.32 | jm_ | chino2: /msg dpkg installit |
| 07:51.35 | Nivegna | Is there like a universal X app that can handle PDF, postscript/ghostscript, TeX/LaTeX, etc... ? |
| 07:51.47 | SimonRaven | INTI_ARGENTINA: depends. see your status window |
| 07:51.56 | INTI_ARGENTINA | ok.. |
| 07:52.20 | Nivegna | gv (ghostview/ghostscript) has some serious vulnerabilities -- ghostscript-6.01nb5 at least |
| 07:52.25 | guardoftheguards | nothing was returned. is that good? |
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| 07:52.31 | SimonRaven | the window where the MOTD gets displayed |
| 07:52.36 | Nivegna | htp://secunia.com/advisories/12903/ |
| 07:52.39 | chino2 | ok so how do i stop a service from running at boot ? |
| 07:52.45 | Nivegna | http://secunia.com/advisories/12903/ , rather |
| 07:52.46 | INTI_ARGENTINA | ok i will |
| 07:52.48 | TimLaptop | Hmm I installed hotplug and now it's going through setting up a ton of packages that didn't complete before I guess |
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| 07:53.28 | johnny06 | good morning everybody |
| 07:53.40 | guardoftheguards | hmmm |
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| 07:53.58 | chino2 | how do i use it ? |
| 07:54.14 | guardoftheguards | sd mod is not enabled, how do you enable it |
| 07:54.22 | BlackJudas | chino2, update-rc.d -f servicename remove |
| 07:54.26 | rabies | BlackJudas: noisy boxen is right.. |
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| 07:54.31 | chino2 | ah it only touches the /etc/rc*.d symlinks ? |
| 07:54.31 | rabies | BlackJudas: sounds like a dead car |
| 07:54.35 | johnny06 | i am tryin to watch a wmv & i get Video codec 'WVP2' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies |
| 07:54.40 | BlackJudas | chino2, yep |
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| 07:54.59 | INTI_ARGENTINA | SimonRaven dou you know some spy and ease what i can use, i wanna see what my girfrien read and seend |
| 07:55.00 | rabies | with its muffler broken |
| 07:55.02 | BlackJudas | rabies, heh, drives me nuts... all my systems are silent now :/ |
| 07:55.05 | rabies | bah |
| 07:55.16 | rabies | well thats what i get for not getting the 400 board and going with the 300 one... |
| 07:55.17 | guardoftheguards | ok, sd_mod is enabled |
| 07:55.18 | BlackJudas | it cost me a lot of dough to do so... |
| 07:55.36 | SimonRaven | INTI_ARGENTINA: invasion of privacy, so no i won't help you |
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| 07:55.44 | rabies | BlackJudas: oh im close, all thats left is the board |
| 07:55.47 | BlackJudas | guardoftheguards, did it assign a partition to the device? |
| 07:55.49 | INTI_ARGENTINA | ok tanks |
| 07:55.53 | mozez | hey guys, what's the difference between 'overhead' and 'throughput delay' ? :P |
| 07:56.06 | rabies | BlackJudas: sadly enough... |
| 07:56.16 | rabies | BlackJudas: i guess i could get the K8WE in theory, its just expensive |
| 07:56.29 | jm_ | rabies: as in price? |
| 07:56.38 | rabies | jm_: well actually its 300 and 500 |
| 07:56.41 | rabies | jm_: but yes |
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| 07:56.46 | BlackJudas | yeh, I've given up on asus, run of the mill and just as shitty as the rest of them ;) |
| 07:56.50 | rabies | jm_: the K8WE is 500, the K8N-DL is 300 |
| 07:56.56 | jm_ | rabies: I was trying to find the board on their page earlier, but now I realized it's a server board ;) |
| 07:56.58 | rabies | BlackJudas: my board isnt shitty, its just that fan |
| 07:57.02 | rabies | jm_: :) |
| 07:57.13 | rabies | BlackJudas: its actually one of asus' better boards |
| 07:57.16 | BlackJudas | rabies, agreed not your board, only the company that makes it. |
| 07:57.17 | chino2 | how do i restart services ? |
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| 07:57.28 | rabies | BlackJudas: the company isnt bad either, if you can get ahold of them |
| 07:57.32 | SimonRaven | if i had that much money to burn i'd get a peggy2... |
| 07:57.33 | jm_ | chino2: man invoke-rc.d |
| 07:57.34 | TimLaptop | invoke-rc.d service restart |
| 07:57.36 | chino2 | do i just say restart to the init script directly ? |
| 07:57.39 | chino2 | ah |
| 07:57.43 | BlackJudas | chino2, /etc/init.d/servicename restart |
| 07:57.44 | jm_ | yes that also works |
| 07:57.44 | rabies | BlackJudas: the people there are compitent just very hard to track down and talk to, it drove me crazy |
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| 07:58.07 | BlackJudas | heh |
| 07:58.12 | sparr | is there anywhere i can find a comparison of the availability of packaged software for different distros (or package systems) on different architctures? |
| 07:58.18 | rabies | 40 minutes on hold to be hung up on >< |
| 07:58.25 | BlackJudas | As long as you can speak mandarin chinese, you're set. |
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| 07:58.35 | rabies | sparr: debian has the most followed by gentoo and then probably a fight between fedora and mandiva |
| 07:58.51 | deadcat_ | ok. we have .128 - .133 gateway is .134, netmask is 255.255.255.248 whats the network in CIDR notation? (= |
| 07:59.00 | seth | is it possible to do an install over the networking using PXE boot method - _without_ knowing the _install PC's_ MAC address? |
| 07:59.02 | deadcat_ | 71.x.x.x |
| 07:59.18 | INTI_ARGENTINA | SimonRaven where are you from? |
| 07:59.28 | SimonRaven | deadcat_: apt-get install ipcalc |
| 07:59.35 | SimonRaven | earth |
| 07:59.36 | rabies | sparr: about a page i couldnt say |
| 07:59.37 | chino2 | waht is exim4 ? |
| 07:59.51 | BlackJudas | Hokay, I'm gonna go try to figure out why all of a sudden my kernel decided my burner is lame (it's attached to an asus motherboard) |
| 07:59.54 | deadcat_ | SimonRaven: ok |
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| 08:00.01 | jewel | seth, sure you don't need to know MAC addresses |
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| 08:00.09 | jm_ | deadcat: is printer working OK? |
| 08:00.16 | Zugschlus | chino2: Debian's default Mail Transfer Agent |
| 08:00.24 | chino2 | ah i have postfix though |
| 08:00.33 | jm_ | chino2: another newsflash - apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 08:00.47 | chino2 | so i should stop it since im using postfix right ? |
| 08:00.50 | chino2 | thanks jm_ |
| 08:01.04 | seth | jewel: hmm the debian install guide shows example of dhcp.conf and that infers that a MAC address be provided for machine on which you want to install on.. This would be painful for me as I'm doing a mass install. |
| 08:01.05 | INTI_ARGENTINA | SimonRaven dou you know an american room, new york? iowa? or someone like this |
| 08:01.12 | jm_ | you can't have exim4 and postfix installed at the same time in Debian |
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| 08:01.53 | SimonRaven | INTI_ARGENTINA: no such thing here. see undernet or efnet or something |
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| 08:01.58 | seth | jewel: would you have some resource of how this can be accomplished? |
| 08:02.06 | jewel | seth, I used the Knoppix Terminal server. I don't know how things will go for a mass install |
| 08:02.08 | INTI_ARGENTINA | ok |
| 08:02.18 | rabies | sparr: the thing with gentoo and all source distros is that they can have multiple packages easily because they do not have to produce binaries, also the packages may seem to be less because multiple binary packages come from a single source |
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| 08:02.56 | seth | jewel: hmmm okay.. i'll continue to look |
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| 08:03.03 | BlackJudas | rabies, one other thing asus is terrible for... their acpi tables... exclusively use the microsoft compiler for the tables and cause nothing but headaches for linux users. |
| 08:03.08 | Zugschlus | jm_: he most probably has one MTA compiled from source. |
| 08:03.12 | some_dude | can i use kuntba sources with apt ? |
| 08:03.13 | rabies | BlackJudas: DEFINITELY |
| 08:03.17 | SimonRaven | seth: that's only if you want to assign a static dhcp ip to each client host |
| 08:03.18 | jm_ | Zugschlus: yeah, trying to break it further ;) |
| 08:03.22 | rabies | BlackJudas: i have to disable acpi and apic |
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| 08:03.32 | BlackJudas | rabies, there's a fix, if you have half a day ;) |
| 08:03.33 | rabies | BlackJudas: well, i partially disable acpi |
| 08:03.40 | rabies | BlackJudas: heh, whats that? |
| 08:03.42 | chino2 | whats lpd ? |
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| 08:03.50 | seth | SimonRaven: OH okay.. so just define a range and add in directives for PXE boot and be done with it then.. |
| 08:03.51 | SimonRaven | man lpd |
| 08:03.51 | rabies | chino2: /msg dpkg lp |
| 08:03.56 | jm_ | BlackJudas: are you saying simple things like ACPI power off aren't working with ASUS motherboards? |
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| 08:04.10 | rabies | jm_: it works, but you have to disable most of acpi to do it |
| 08:04.20 | jm_ | rabies: I only use button and poweroff anyway |
| 08:04.22 | INTI_ARGENTINA | is this the einstein room?? |
| 08:04.23 | BlackJudas | rabies, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Fix_Common_ACPI_Problems ignore the url, just click it ;) |
| 08:04.26 | rabies | jm_: you have to do noapic and acpi=pci iirc |
| 08:04.36 | rabies | BlackJudas: heh |
| 08:04.39 | INTI_ARGENTINA | its ok, i love the informatic |
| 08:04.45 | jm_ | rabies: I never enable APIC support |
| 08:05.07 | rabies | jm_: well if you had dual processor like im going to get i think its somewhat nessicary, though i couldnt say for sure' |
| 08:05.15 | BlackJudas | jm_, nah, those things work but their coders are idiots... they don't follow the intel spec and use the microsoft compiler which is much more forgiving... much like ie is super forgiving when you don't follow the standards... |
| 08:05.17 | SimonRaven | seth: eh, you might have to define a sDet ip if the hosts are different; if they're all the same i suppose you could get away with dynamic assignment |
| 08:05.18 | chino2 | makedev is some sort of udev package ? |
| 08:05.24 | jm_ | rabies: yeah, I only have desktop systems |
| 08:05.26 | SimonRaven | s/sDet/set/ |
| 08:05.29 | rabies | jm_: this is a desktop system :) |
| 08:05.36 | jm_ | BlackJudas: yeah, same old |
| 08:05.38 | BlackJudas | jm_, so in translation, your irq's get hijacked, and other fun things. |
| 08:05.40 | INTI_ARGENTINA | the tower is good |
| 08:05.46 | INTI_ARGENTINA | a mosnter tower |
| 08:05.54 | rabies | BlackJudas: i really want the tyan mobo, its an awesome motherboard with full linux support |
| 08:05.57 | seth | SimonRaven: ya all clients will be the same spec. |
| 08:05.58 | rabies | BlackJudas: if it wasnt so expensive... |
| 08:06.04 | jm_ | rabies: well sure, but atypicial one at it - I guess it will be more common with dual-core CPU-s |
| 08:06.18 | BlackJudas | jm_, well asus has a shitty reputation for their acpi implementations... though the link above is an informative one... |
| 08:06.25 | rabies | jm_: the reason i got it was cause i wanted to be able to go dual proc when programs start making the dual-core switch |
| 08:06.31 | rabies | jm_: without sacraficing speed |
| 08:06.38 | BlackJudas | rabies, for sure, it's all i run in the server room |
| 08:06.39 | rabies | BlackJudas: im looking through it, thx |
| 08:06.41 | SimonRaven | seth: same spec, i.e., arch, etc.? if so, np |
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| 08:07.26 | seth | SimonRaven: yep.. same spec(arch, cpu, mem video, network intfs.. ) this is for a lab rollout |
| 08:07.28 | rabies | BlackJudas: maybe ill switch eventually...dunno if its really worth it though, its not like i need server class stability (though with all the stuff i have im hoping im getting something close) |
| 08:07.30 | SimonRaven | seth: i'm having second thoughts, but give it a try with one or 2 hosts, and if it works, then do that |
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| 08:07.49 | jm_ | rabies: any modern desktop board supports x2 CPU-s from AMD |
| 08:08.06 | rabies | jm_: what are you talking about? |
| 08:08.09 | jm_ | BlackJudas: yeah, reading through it |
| 08:08.16 | jm_ | rabies: x2 = dual core CPU |
| 08:08.20 | INTI_ARGENTINA | who is the best?? amd athlon 64 bit or pr ht?? |
| 08:08.23 | rabies | jm_: oh, right |
| 08:08.26 | rabies | jm_: yeah, heh |
| 08:08.35 | seth | SimonRaven: crap.. Wonder how FAI gets around this.. Okay.. will have to try it out. |
| 08:08.43 | rabies | jm_: its just that you pay for 2 processors so they are usually slower then the same price for a single core |
| 08:08.51 | BlackJudas | rabies, two problems you're facing... asus = shitty non windbloze land support, and linux can't support idiocy... I'd rather have stable... find some sucker to buy your mobo and switch to dfi, msi, epox even... I used to be an avid asus supporter, after all these years of bashing my head against a wall, I've learned to hate. |
| 08:08.53 | jm_ | rabies: yup |
| 08:09.03 | rabies | BlackJudas: heh |
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| 08:09.05 | SimonRaven | seth: 'do that' i meant dynamic |
| 08:09.09 | chino2 | what is rmnologin all about ? |
| 08:09.11 | rabies | BlackJudas: the K8WE has passive cooling too >< |
| 08:09.23 | Zugschlus | chino2: have you looked in the script? |
| 08:09.27 | rabies | BlackJudas: heres the thing, i was dual cpu support |
| 08:09.29 | chino2 | i read the head of it |
| 08:09.30 | rabies | BlackJudas: its not all that common |
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| 08:09.37 | Zugschlus | chino2: continue reading |
| 08:09.38 | chino2 | talked about removing /etc/nologin |
| 08:09.44 | BlackJudas | rabies, sure it is :) all 939's support it |
| 08:09.56 | Zugschlus | chino2: ok, now read the manpage for nologin |
| 08:09.56 | rabies | BlackJudas: i need a 940 mobo |
| 08:10.01 | BlackJudas | oh oh oh |
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| 08:10.04 | rabies | BlackJudas: 939 only supports a single cpu |
| 08:10.06 | chino2 | nologin isn't a command |
| 08:10.12 | rabies | BlackJudas: plus im using an opteron, heh |
| 08:10.15 | BlackJudas | 939 yes one cpu only |
| 08:10.17 | Zugschlus | chino2: it has a man page nevertheless |
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| 08:10.31 | BlackJudas | rabies, yep, single opteron? |
| 08:10.35 | rabies | BlackJudas: so far |
| 08:10.35 | BlackJudas | or dual? |
| 08:10.37 | BlackJudas | k |
| 08:10.40 | rabies | 252 |
| 08:10.43 | BlackJudas | right on |
| 08:10.47 | rabies | ya, its good stuff |
| 08:10.52 | BlackJudas | I've got a dual 246 |
| 08:10.57 | rabies | ah, cool |
| 08:11.07 | chino2 | oh so i could make the file temporary so that i could deny access for doing updates or something ? |
| 08:11.22 | Zugschlus | chino2: yes. Debian does this on startup |
| 08:11.26 | rabies | BlackJudas: i wanted the SSE3 support and the 90nm process so i had to get 252, which is the only one that had it at the time |
| 08:11.31 | rabies | BlackJudas: im not regretting it :) |
| 08:11.42 | chino2 | debian seems to have sort of advanced features coming from a slackware background |
| 08:11.42 | BlackJudas | I see your prob now... hrrrm... it's a tough shop when it comes to opteron boards... the only one I'd recommend is one you've already mentioned |
| 08:11.43 | BlackJudas | tya |
| 08:11.44 | BlackJudas | n |
| 08:11.55 | BlackJudas | no doubt |
| 08:12.17 | rabies | yeah |
| 08:12.18 | chino2 | how come there is no lighttpd package through apt-get? |
| 08:12.19 | rabies | but its not cheap |
| 08:12.35 | BlackJudas | also running a 4000+ for my gaming box :/ it kicks so much ass... I've learned to hate intel too :) |
| 08:12.39 | BlackJudas | I'm just full ofhate |
| 08:12.46 | BlackJudas | yeah tell me 'bout it |
| 08:12.50 | rabies | BlackJudas: there are more, but they either dont have PCI-Express or are even more expensive o_O |
| 08:13.05 | BlackJudas | heh time to mortgage your first born |
| 08:13.17 | rabies | too late |
| 08:13.19 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 08:13.29 | jm_ | 4000+ - nice, I am considering either 3500 or 3700 if the price goes down next year |
| 08:13.39 | rabies | BlackJudas: i already have it mortgaged and im not married and i dont have kids =\ |
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| 08:15.11 | natas | ifconfig |
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| 08:18.32 | rabies | BlackJudas: yeah...so im stumped |
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| 08:19.38 | chino2 | why does my ssh connection keep dieing out ? |
| 08:19.49 | chino2 | is that some kind of setting in sshd_config ? |
| 08:20.30 | pihhan | what dou you mean by dieing out? |
| 08:20.32 | SimonRaven | 'KeepAlive yes' ;) |
| 08:20.48 | jm_ | there are several timeout settings in there |
| 08:21.04 | SimonRaven | yup. start with one of them |
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| 08:22.02 | eddit | you're so raven |
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| 08:22.20 | BlackJudas | rabies, yeah :/ |
| 08:22.38 | oskie | how many files in a directory can ext3 reasonably sustain before it is time to sort the files into some subdirectory hierarchy? |
| 08:22.52 | rabies | oskie: as many as you can handle i suppose... |
| 08:22.53 | chino2 | i dont see any timeout setting in it |
| 08:22.53 | BlackJudas | rabies, it sucks thinking that the only way your computer is actually going to work properly is by sinking a ton of money into it. |
| 08:22.58 | rabies | oskie: more for you then the fs |
| 08:23.00 | dondelelcaro | oskie: more than you're likely to ever put in it... |
| 08:23.05 | rabies | BlackJudas: heh, past that point |
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| 08:23.29 | rabies | oskie: think "clutter" on a massive scale |
| 08:23.32 | chino2 | im setting up a init.d file what do programs usually do. A: check the pid file exists B: check the file exists then check the process exists ? |
| 08:23.52 | oskie | ok well, I hope you're right... but I don't understand why debian did this for the ftp archive, sort packages into subdirs a,b,..,liba,libb,.. |
| 08:24.05 | rabies | oskie: to make it easier to browse |
| 08:24.08 | BlackJudas | rabies, I'm on the hate train tonight because linux for the first time ever won't work with my burner which worked in the exact same type of machine, same kernel... same settings... only difference? asus motherboard. |
| 08:24.10 | rabies | oskie: and for low bandwidth connections |
| 08:24.17 | rabies | BlackJudas: oof |
| 08:24.17 | oskie | hm ok |
| 08:24.20 | rabies | BlackJudas: thats painful |
| 08:24.28 | dondelelcaro | oskie: because not everyone uses ext3, and we've got a few thousand source packages. |
| 08:24.56 | rabies | BlackJudas: my NEC one seems to work fine, cept for the fact i was ripped off |
| 08:25.11 | BlackJudas | heh, why? |
| 08:25.12 | rabies | BlackJudas: it was relabled as a maddog and sold for twice the price |
| 08:25.17 | BlackJudas | :/ |
| 08:25.23 | rabies | yeah...go figure |
| 08:25.33 | rabies | and tacky to boot |
| 08:25.37 | BlackJudas | heh |
| 08:25.42 | SerajewelKS | is there a program like scp that works with telnet? |
| 08:25.48 | rabies | SerajewelKS: rcp |
| 08:25.51 | rabies | SerajewelKS: though dont use it |
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| 08:26.02 | SerajewelKS | rabies: scp has supplanted rcp |
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| 08:26.08 | rabies | SerajewelKS: i dunno if its even exists anymore...its a massive security hole |
| 08:26.15 | rabies | SerajewelKS: yeah, security reasons |
| 08:26.20 | SerajewelKS | rabies: yeah well tell that to my server admin |
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| 08:26.29 | BlackJudas | massive security hole... sounds kinky |
| 08:26.42 | rabies | SerajewelKS: a server admin wants to use telnet, he should be fired and shipped back to china in a crate |
| 08:26.43 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: if you're server admin is still using telnet, you need a new server admin. |
| 08:26.51 | dondelelcaro | s/'re/r/ |
| 08:27.04 | rabies | SerajewelKS: ask for a free upgrade due to defective hardware |
| 08:27.07 | dondelelcaro | the admin has clearly died sometime in the late 80s. |
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| 08:27.17 | BlackJudas | hahahaha :/ |
| 08:27.19 | BlackJudas | lol |
| 08:27.31 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: in order to justify the costs of upgrading the server OS we need to prove that it's being used. which means collecting stats. which means i need to download the stats. |
| 08:27.33 | BlackJudas | first time I've ever laughed in #debian |
| 08:27.38 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: get the picture? |
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| 08:27.38 | rabies | heh |
| 08:28.00 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: so use ftp. |
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| 08:28.06 | rabies | SerajewelKS: and you cant just set up a ftp or sftp server? |
| 08:28.12 | rabies | SerajewelKS: or even http |
| 08:28.13 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: that assumes the presence of an ftp server |
| 08:28.15 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: or if you really must, use zmodem or some crap to transfer the file. |
| 08:28.24 | SerajewelKS | all i've got is telnet |
| 08:28.32 | SerajewelKS | and telnet | tee probably won't work on binary |
| 08:28.32 | rabies | SerajewelKS: and you have no privelages on the server? |
| 08:28.36 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: is lynx or something on the server? |
| 08:28.43 | ludos | can somebody help me setting up the debian repository in ubuntu |
| 08:28.48 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: doubt it, it's HP-UX |
| 08:29.00 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it should have lynx or rcp or something. |
| 08:29.03 | rabies | SerajewelKS: can you telnet to the server and scp from there to another box? |
| 08:29.05 | ludos | i can |
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| 08:29.17 | SerajewelKS | rabies: they don't *have* ssh |
| 08:29.20 | ludos | i can't find the apt line on debian's site |
| 08:29.33 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i'm not running telnet on my box, so rcp to my box won't work |
| 08:29.33 | BlackJudas | ludos, you're about to be lynched for asking about ubuntu in #debian, run while you still can. |
| 08:29.34 | dondelelcaro | ludos: run apt-setup |
| 08:29.35 | rabies | SerajewelKS: well can you use the server as a client for _anything_ and transfer it to another server? |
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| 08:29.45 | jm_ | serja;some telnets support zmodem |
| 08:29.46 | arron | can anyone tell me how to switch on the generation of coredumps? |
| 08:30.00 | SerajewelKS | rabies: it'd be easier if there was rcp for debian |
| 08:30.02 | dondelelcaro | mordain: set ulimit -c . |
| 08:30.10 | jm_ | Debian has rcp |
| 08:30.18 | SerajewelKS | jm_: yeah, it's a symlink to scp |
| 08:30.19 | rabies | SerajewelKS: i seriously think rcp doesnt exist in debian anymore, but i could be mistaken |
| 08:30.24 | dondelelcaro | !info rsh-clients |
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| 08:30.36 | dondelelcaro | !info rsh-client |
| 08:30.42 | dpkg | rsh-client: (rsh clients.), section net, is extra. Version: 0.17-13 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 08:30.48 | rabies | heh |
| 08:30.49 | SerajewelKS | aha |
| 08:30.53 | ludos | i asked in here because its the debian main repo i need.... sheesh.. |
| 08:31.00 | rabies | dondelelcaro: the hidden evil still lurks in the debian repository :) |
| 08:31.04 | dondelelcaro | ludos: yes, and apt-setup; is the command you run. |
| 08:31.05 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: no, there's also the real one, install rsh-client (netkit-rcp) |
| 08:31.13 | SerajewelKS | thanks |
| 08:31.15 | jm_ | it's handled via alternatives |
| 08:31.15 | ludos | ok.... thank you |
| 08:31.28 | dondelelcaro | rabies: it's just a client... (granted, we still install telnet too, but you don't get to run the server) |
| 08:31.29 | jm_ | we use r* and telnet extensively at work :) |
| 08:31.30 | BlackJudas | ludos, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib etc etc... |
| 08:31.43 | BlackJudas | Though you should point to a closer mirror |
| 08:31.45 | dondelelcaro | jm_: let me guess. Cisco devices. |
| 08:31.45 | jm_ | heck, I can only access my mail via telnet |
| 08:31.46 | SerajewelKS | rabies: plus the box admin isn't even a unix person. the other admin had to leave on short notice and the job fell to her (a librarian). |
| 08:31.49 | rabies | jm_: ugh |
| 08:31.51 | SerajewelKS | rabies: so she had to learn unix |
| 08:32.00 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: no, just lots of Unix machines |
| 08:32.04 | dondelelcaro | jm_: blech. |
| 08:32.05 | rabies | SerajewelKS: a librarian is the admin? wow, that must really not be fun for her |
| 08:32.24 | dondelelcaro | unix machines that can't run openssh should be taken to the nearest recycling center and melted down. |
| 08:32.25 | SerajewelKS | rabies: yeah it's not.. which is why i'm learning the system so i can take the job eventually |
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| 08:32.39 | dondelelcaro | if a m68k can run ssh, your unix sure as hell better be able to. |
| 08:32.41 | rabies | SerajewelKS: well i hope you enjoy the process somewhat :) |
| 08:32.46 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: again, we do need that server, and the budgeting staff won't give us money unless we can prove it's being used |
| 08:32.55 | rabies | my 200 mhz ARM pda can run openSSH =P |
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| 08:33.04 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: and i don't have crap of a clue how to install stuff on it |
| 08:33.11 | BlackJudas | my asus board can run ssh :/ |
| 08:33.18 | rabies | lol |
| 08:33.22 | dondelelcaro | rabies: your 200MHz ARM is probably 10-20 times faster than an m68k. |
| 08:33.33 | rabies | dondelelcaro: glad to hear its faster then something |
| 08:33.34 | dondelelcaro | (possibly even 2 orders of magnitude) |
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| 08:34.20 | BlackJudas | is greycat on vacation? |
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| 08:34.53 | tarzeau | BlackJudas: no |
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| 08:35.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:35.27 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:35.33 | ludos | thank you guys... lots of help |
| 08:35.35 | SerajewelKS | okay now how the hell do i login with rcp |
| 08:35.43 | ludos | i really appreciate it |
| 08:36.22 | BlackJudas | rabies, look look they're famous http://sourceforge.net/projects/acpi4asus/ |
| 08:36.43 | rabies | BlackJudas: phew, at least i have a desktop board |
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| 08:36.50 | BlackJudas | aww crap... it's laptops only :P |
| 08:36.50 | rabies | BlackJudas: i really dont care that much about the ACPI |
| 08:36.56 | BlackJudas | I do, it's seksi... |
| 08:37.01 | SerajewelKS | i love how man rcp says 'Rcp does not prompt for passwords; it performs remote execution via rsh(1), and requires the same authorization.' well that's clear as mud. |
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| 08:37.36 | rabies | BlackJudas: funny |
| 08:37.50 | rabies | woah, someone is using KfreeBSD!! |
| 08:37.54 | BlackJudas | It's the AC part I like. |
| 08:37.58 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: what's not clear about it? |
| 08:38.02 | tarzeau | rabies: so am i! |
| 08:38.08 | rabies | tarzeau: you are using it? |
| 08:38.12 | rabies | tarzeau: does it actually work? |
| 08:38.18 | tatoo | hello all |
| 08:38.18 | tarzeau | rabies: sure, check netcraft.com on gnu.ethz.ch |
| 08:38.28 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: perhaps the fact that rsh doesn't do any better of a job explaining it |
| 08:38.29 | tarzeau | rabies: yes, over 76% packages built |
| 08:38.32 | tarzeau | (of sid) |
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| 08:38.38 | BlackJudas | That's somehow wrong on a bunch of different levels. |
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| 08:38.40 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: why do you think you need it? |
| 08:38.43 | dondelelcaro | why even bother using rcp? just rsh foohost tar -zc fooblehblah > foo.tar.gz |
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| 08:39.02 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: so i can login? |
| 08:39.06 | rabies | tarzeau: woah! KFreeBSD Server!! |
| 08:39.10 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: you want ssh |
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| 08:39.11 | rabies | tarzeau: is it user installable? |
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| 08:39.20 | BlackJudas | tarzeau, she can't |
| 08:39.20 | tarzeau | rabies: please , #gnu-kbsd and it's GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 08:39.23 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: you missed the discussion and i'm not going to repeat it. scroll up. |
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| 08:39.26 | SerajewelKS | BlackJudas: he... |
| 08:39.28 | tarzeau | rabies: very easily, yes |
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| 08:39.32 | rabies | tarzeau: meh, a names a name |
| 08:39.35 | BlackJudas | he sry |
| 08:39.52 | BlackJudas | librarian got stuck in my mind... and other naughty bits |
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| 08:40.03 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: that assumes that rsh actually logs in too.. which it doesn't seem to want to do. |
| 08:40.09 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 08:40.10 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: use telnet? |
| 08:40.21 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: for copying a binary file? |
| 08:40.28 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: yes that's possible too |
| 08:40.50 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: what, pipe telnet output to a file and slice it up with dd? |
| 08:41.04 | tatoo | i'm having a problem when i try to configure my wu-ftpd. i can visualize the screen from a remote ftp client acess. i can even upload a file from there...but i can't see any files. when i 'ls' the directory throughout ssh access, i notice the file is located on the directory i want, but it is not listed using a ftp client. does any know why it's happening? |
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| 08:41.18 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: lrzsz - Tools for zmodem/xmodem/ymodem file transfer |
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| 08:41.40 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: how 'bout you just tell me how to login with rcp? |
| 08:41.42 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i'd juse use wget/http or ftp |
| 08:41.50 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: not for just one file, no |
| 08:41.55 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: the entire process is documented in man rshd |
| 08:42.01 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: oh and thanks for repeating every suggestion everyone else has provided |
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| 08:42.26 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: nobody can read all of #debian, stop complaining |
| 08:42.26 | liable | ooooh, sarcasm :) |
| 08:42.42 | jm_ | or man rlogind |
| 08:42.55 | servus | I get weekly #debian periodicals. |
| 08:43.02 | servus | Along with my Soap Digest. |
| 08:43.35 | bob_ | hi |
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| 08:43.44 | bob_ | i come from japan |
| 08:43.47 | liable | !seen bob2 |
| 08:43.47 | dpkg | bob2 is currently on #debian (3d 6h 4m 41s) #debian-ops (3d 6h 4m 41s) |
| 08:43.56 | bob_ | i am a japan's pig |
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| 08:44.10 | tarzeau | !jp |
| 08:44.10 | dpkg | from memory, jp is Japan |
| 08:44.32 | bob_ | japan shit shit shit |
| 08:45.03 | AutOPSY | Guys. |
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| 08:45.15 | AutOPSY | Is viv`d a disciple sent from here to troll in #Fedora? |
| 08:45.27 | BlackJudas | who? |
| 08:45.29 | dondelelcaro | AutOPSY: we have nothing to do with trolls; ban them. |
| 08:46.05 | AutOPSY | Yeah. It is about to happen, the apt vs. rpm debate is like.. 1997. |
| 08:46.07 | rabies | who was banned? |
| 08:46.31 | rabies | AutOPSY: no, its just as pointless now as it was then |
| 08:46.34 | rabies | :) |
| 08:46.43 | AutOPSY | That is also true. |
| 08:46.52 | viv`d | they are convinced that rpm is better than apt |
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| 08:47.14 | viv`d | and that fedora isnt the same thing as previous RH standard releases |
| 08:47.27 | dondelelcaro | who cares? none of this is on topic in #debian. |
| 08:47.36 | rabies | viv`d: wtf does rpm have to do w/ apt? |
| 08:47.43 | rabies | and who cares anyway |
| 08:47.47 | dondelelcaro | take it elsewhere if you want to discuss it. |
| 08:47.55 | viv`d | rabies, not much of anything, but these guys are going on and on about it |
| 08:48.07 | rabies | ... |
| 08:48.22 | Stodderen | Hallo, i have some "a little defect" 120 gb harddrives, perhaps someone ahhve done violence on them? But anyway, i installed debian on nr. 1 to get an os to scan the others from. I got four errors on install, but ignored them. Would any filesystem be better then other when they are a little defect?(ext2/3/reiserfs)? and what should i use to try to repair them? just fsck, or do anybody know |
| 08:48.27 | Stodderen | something btter? |
| 08:48.29 | viv`d | i said how yum takes longer to update than debs netinstaller, and they say im starting a "flamewar" |
| 08:48.36 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 08:48.37 | *** mode/#Debian [+b %*!*@c-67-160-125-239.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:48.37 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:48.48 | Stodderen | or perhaps a good diagnostics tool to see how bad their state is in? |
| 08:48.49 | rabies | Stodderen: hiren's bootcd has a program called hard drive regenerator that works well |
| 08:49.04 | rabies | you are |
| 08:49.16 | dondelelcaro | Stodderen: hopefully they have smart enabled; use smartctl to see what is going on |
| 08:49.35 | rabies | Stodderen: it remaps and tries to fix bad sectors or something like that, it works really well |
| 08:49.53 | Stodderen | ok, thank you all |
| 08:50.16 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: btw .. you know a handy tool to read smart status and have you send reports via mail on errors ? |
| 08:50.22 | servus | apt-get install smartmontools |
| 08:50.33 | rabies | fireba11: smartmontools |
| 08:50.48 | fireba11 | thx .. will try that sometime then :-) |
| 08:51.30 | rabies | only works w/ ide HDs and some scsi raid controllers.. |
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| 08:55.51 | Hobart | Can I use partman on a running server to set up the new volume, or does partman only work when booted into an installer? |
| 08:56.53 | tarzeau | i wish there was a tool to dump a process, and continue it after reboot |
| 08:57.03 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 08:57.23 | dondelelcaro | main problem would be all of the file descriptors |
| 08:57.24 | rabies | Hobart: uh, parted is a nice tool... |
| 08:57.40 | zeeble | that. and transferring the process to a different machine. |
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| 08:59.02 | rj-away | You can do process migration stuff with openmosix. |
| 08:59.02 | Hobart | rabies -> I'm sure it is, as is util-linux fdisk/cfdisk et al, was just asking about partman as the debian manual says its preferable. |
| 08:59.21 | Hobart | Hm, base-config doesn't check to see if /tmp is mounted -noexec ... |
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| 08:59.49 | rabies | Hobart: preferable for what |
| 08:59.56 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to mount /tmp noexec |
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| 09:00.22 | dondelelcaro | noexec is a totally useless filesystem flag. |
| 09:00.40 | Hobart | rabies -> http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs05.html.en you tell me |
| 09:00.55 | Hobart | dondelelcaro -> yes yes glibc workaround |
| 09:01.16 | henk | it seems cron-apt only downloads new packages right? It doesn't upgrade them. How do i tell apt to install the updates automaticaly? or is it very unwise to do so ? |
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| 09:01.44 | dondelelcaro | henk: it's generally unwise, it'll e-mail you about them, so you can upgrade them as soon as you get a chance. |
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| 09:02.09 | dondelelcaro | henk: there is an example of how to do it though in the cron-apt configuration, iirc. |
| 09:02.38 | tengulre11 | hi,all |
| 09:03.03 | rabies | hoarycripple: just use parted, but read the manual before using.. |
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| 09:03.05 | rabies | oops |
| 09:03.08 | rabies | thats for hobart |
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| 09:03.44 | rabies | Hobart: i've never really used partman cept in the debian-installer, and theres no reason why you cant use parted instead |
| 09:04.14 | rabies | Hobart: about your question i dont know if you can use it outside of the isntaller |
| 09:04.16 | rabies | installer* |
| 09:04.33 | rabies | Hobart: logically i'd see that theres no reason you cant use it |
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| 09:04.44 | rabies | if that makes any sense |
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| 09:04.57 | chino2 | how do i use update-rc.d to install a new boot script ? |
| 09:04.59 | rabies | is anyone still hosting the #debian statistics? |
| 09:05.15 | Hobart | rabies -> it does .. I just checked in baseconfig and it doesn't live in there ... |
| 09:05.41 | rabies | Hobart: i dont know, sorry |
| 09:05.51 | henk | dondelelcaro, hmm the example seems non-existant. I got a pretty good idea on how to write it myself though thnx |
| 09:05.53 | liable | chino2: you read the man page? |
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| 09:06.04 | liable | chino2: theres even examples. :) |
| 09:06.17 | S4nD3r | Id like to remove kde from my PC, how to do ??? |
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| 09:06.31 | Shadur | Argh. How are the NLS charsets spelled? |
| 09:06.32 | S4nD3r | Id like to install kde3.4, how to get it |
| 09:07.01 | Shadur | S4nD3r: In both cases, with apt-get or a frontend |
| 09:07.06 | CcSsNET | apt-get remove PKGNAME |
| 09:07.08 | mumhero | whois nvz |
| 09:07.09 | zeeble | S4nD3r: ask dpkg about "remove kde" |
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| 09:07.21 | CcSsNET | apt-get install PKGNAME |
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| 09:07.58 | jm_ | Shadda: you mean for mount? |
| 09:08.02 | jm_ | Shadur ^^^^ |
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| 09:08.14 | Shadur | jm_: pmount, actually, but yes. |
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| 09:09.05 | Shadur | I'm using utf8 as my system locale, but mounting my ipod with a vfat filesystem with UTF8 causes it to be case-sensitive and get all cases wrong. |
| 09:09.47 | jm_ | Shadur: hah nice |
| 09:10.00 | Shadur | pmount's --help pointed at the -c option to specify a charset, which is what I'm trying to do, but I can't seem to get it spelled right. |
| 09:10.20 | Shadur | I keep getting kernel messages along the lines of Unable to load NLS charset iso-8859-15 |
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| 09:11.18 | jm_ | does your kernel support it? they're in format iso8859-1. |
| 09:11.21 | jm_ | without the dot |
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| 09:11.36 | jm_ | and longfile names are apparently stored in unicode |
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| 09:12.23 | Shadur | iso8859-15 worked. Thanks! |
| 09:12.28 | S4nD3r | dpkg remove kde |
| 09:12.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 09:12.35 | S4nD3r | !dpkg remove kde |
| 09:13.21 | Shadur | Woo, that worked and rhythmbox is grokking it now. |
| 09:13.23 | Shadur | Thanks again. |
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| 09:13.41 | S4nD3r | !dpkg install kde |
| 09:13.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 09:14.38 | deadcat | jm_: ya. the printer is working well with the driver from the cd. it installed /usr/local/linuxprinter. pretty nice. gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2005/20051206.laser.printer/ |
| 09:14.42 | chino2 | does apt-get not have tightvnc ? |
| 09:14.47 | S4nD3r | Is necessary to specify kde3.4 ?? |
| 09:14.54 | deadcat | chino2: xtightvnc |
| 09:15.00 | deadcat | chino2: search |
| 09:15.00 | jm_ | deadcat: it installed CUPS for you? there's no need to do that |
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| 09:15.01 | chino2 | whats the x for ? |
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| 09:15.25 | chino2 | how do i use search ? |
| 09:15.36 | liable | !reference |
| 09:15.36 | dpkg | somebody said reference was The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 09:15.42 | jm_ | !tell chino2 -about search |
| 09:15.42 | liable | chino2: ^^ |
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| 09:17.35 | syiron | man apt |
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| 09:18.04 | deadcat | damn bad connection |
| 09:18.12 | zimnyx | I'm getting following error when running samba: "get_user_groups: Out of memory allocating unix group list". Any ideas what is happening? |
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| 09:18.51 | chino2 | help |
| 09:18.57 | deadcat | dont panic |
| 09:19.04 | S4nD3r | I got to remove kde from my sarge |
| 09:19.09 | S4nD3r | Now, how to install kde3.4 ? |
| 09:19.17 | deadcat | topic |
| 09:19.21 | S4nD3r | the faq of installation is offline |
| 09:19.52 | mordain | what with man ulimit showing help for programmers, but not the util ? |
| 09:20.09 | jm_ | mordain: it's a shell built-in |
| 09:20.21 | jm_ | S4nD3r: dpkg has already told you, RTFS |
| 09:20.32 | S4nD3r | deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ add this one in my sources.list ::??? |
| 09:20.45 | kapil | mordain: try 'help ulimit' |
| 09:20.48 | deadcat | jm_: did you get the last msg? freakin screen crashed or something (= |
| 09:21.04 | mordain | heh, thanks i did man bash and got it =) |
| 09:21.10 | jm_ | deadcat: you installed it in /usr/local -- > deadcat: it installed CUPS for you? there's no need to do that |
| 09:21.38 | deadcat | jm_: no. i installed cups via apt-get. i just install the driver |
| 09:21.40 | chino2 | nice link! |
| 09:21.56 | chino2 | thanks |
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| 09:22.07 | jm_ | deadcat: hmm all you need is a PPD file, not sure what it put there |
| 09:22.25 | deadcat | jm_: really? where do i put it? |
| 09:22.35 | mordain | i can only do "ulimit -c 55" as a user, how can i set unlimited, or at least a lot bigger ? |
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| 09:22.40 | deadcat | because the ppd files for cups are gzip'ed |
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| 09:23.06 | TraceGreen | Hello, i use ssh with -X, but can't get any graphics, shall i set $DISPLAY? |
| 09:23.12 | jm_ | deadcat: put it in /tmp and add a printer with lpadmin, but there's no point in bothering with it if it's already working |
| 09:23.14 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 09:23.15 | dpkg | it has been said that sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 09:23.18 | deadcat | TraceGreen: sure |
| 09:23.30 | TraceGreen | deadcat, set DISPLAY to what? |
| 09:23.50 | deadcat | jm_: well if i can just install 1 file i will linux-uninstall the stuff from the cd (= |
| 09:24.00 | deadcat | TraceGreen: try localhost:10 |
| 09:24.06 | TraceGreen | after i ssh -X ***, DISPLAY is: localhost:10.0 |
| 09:24.14 | deadcat | TraceGreen: is X forwarding allowed in sshd_config? |
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| 09:24.37 | TraceGreen | deadcat, let me check. |
| 09:25.02 | idis | TraceGreen: on the server |
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| 09:25.50 | chino2 | whats wrong with this tight vnc server ? |
| 09:25.51 | TraceGreen | idis, X11Forwarding yes , X11DisplayOffset 10 |
| 09:25.54 | deadcat | jm_: lpadmin to add a printer? |
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| 09:26.26 | idis | TraceGreen: so DISPLAYS exported by X start at :10 |
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| 09:26.47 | deadcat | jm_: the ppd is just 9k compared to 12M from the install |
| 09:26.59 | jm_ | deadcat: that's what I did |
| 09:27.06 | TraceGreen | idis, so, do you mean i should set $DISPLAY=local:10 but not $DISPLAY=local:10.0? |
| 09:27.13 | deadcat | jm_: cool. whats the lpadmin command you used? |
| 09:27.21 | jm_ | TraceGreen: no |
| 09:27.32 | jm_ | sshd sets DISPLAY when everything is configured correctly |
| 09:28.00 | TraceGreen | jm_, maybe, but i cant't get x forwarding. |
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| 09:28.51 | valdyn | TraceGreen: you want to read what dpkg said. |
| 09:29.07 | jm_ | indeed |
| 09:29.17 | bartden | hi, i have a qustion about my network, i have a debian router runnig on ip 192.168.1.1 (intetnal nic), and an external nic connected to my isp, the internal nic goes to a a dlink router wan, witch gets an ip from mt dhcp server running on my router internal ni (fixed ip, 192.168.1.20) , then i set the lan nic from my dlink router to 192.168.1.50, and it runs dhcpd from range 192.168.1.100 - 200, so that my win xp clients get an ip, can the comm |
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| 09:30.04 | deadcat | jm_: how di you install 1 ppd file? |
| 09:30.23 | chino2 | why am i getting some kind of font error trying to run vncserver ? |
| 09:30.40 | liable | !vagueness |
| 09:30.40 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ANAL LEAKAGE! |
| 09:30.49 | liable | wow :) |
| 09:30.54 | azeem | that is so rude |
| 09:31.17 | liable | azeem: not the factoid i was expecting, but.. |
| 09:31.23 | jm_ | deadcat: heh it has been a while, /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p myprinter -E -v parallel:/dev/lp1 -m file.ppd (maybe you have to copy the ppd to /etc/cups/ppd dir first, I don't remember this detail) |
| 09:31.24 | azeem | heh |
| 09:31.30 | TraceGreen | yeah, fix it, i just remove old .Xauthority |
| 09:31.46 | deadcat | jm_: ok |
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| 09:32.04 | jm_ | deadcat: just add a second printer this way and test if it works before removing things |
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| 09:32.23 | jm_ | bartden: your message was too long |
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| 09:33.05 | chino2 | the polterguist was an awesome movie |
| 09:33.12 | valdyn | chino2: are we supposed to guess the error? |
| 09:33.19 | deadcat | jm_: jm_ cups already have that ppd in that dir from the earlier install (= |
| 09:33.26 | chino2 | Fatal server error: |
| 09:33.26 | chino2 | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 09:33.32 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 09:33.32 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
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| 09:34.08 | jm_ | deadcat: ohh wait, those are printer specific PPD files, sop copy it to say /tmp and use -m /tmp/file.ppd and see if it ends up in /etc/cups as myprinter.ppd |
| 09:34.34 | chino2 | thanks guys you rock! |
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| 09:36.01 | chino2 | can you setup tightvnc so it has a nice login system ? |
| 09:36.09 | chino2 | like running kdm on it or something |
| 09:36.23 | mordain | how can i set unlimited, or at least a lot bigger coredump size as a normal user? |
| 09:36.34 | jm_ | ulimit -c 65535 |
| 09:36.35 | bbrazil | mordain: ulimit |
| 09:37.05 | lestest | hi there ... is it a bug if you have a non existent package in the Suggests field of a package? |
| 09:37.05 | mordain | arron@g3:~/ldmud-3.3.712/src$ ulimit -c 65535 |
| 09:37.05 | mordain | bash: ulimit: core file size: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
| 09:38.10 | jm_ | then your hard limit is already lower |
| 09:38.14 | jm_ | ulimit -a to report them |
| 09:38.40 | mordain | "ulimit -c 55" how do i change hard limit? |
| 09:38.52 | mordain | whoops |
| 09:39.20 | mordain | i can set unlimited as root |
| 09:39.34 | jm_ | you can't, only root can do that |
| 09:39.37 | lestest | I mean in the debian official stable repository |
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| 09:40.17 | jm_ | well you can lower the hard limit as user ;) |
| 09:40.26 | mordain | hmmm, ok, thanks |
| 09:40.39 | chino2 | lol what is x-window-manager ? |
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| 09:40.53 | chino2 | i know what it is |
| 09:40.57 | chino2 | but i've never used it before |
| 09:41.06 | chino2 | doesn't seem to have a menu when clicking on the desktop or anything |
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| 09:42.56 | Azar | good night and thank you all again honorables |
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| 09:43.06 | ircdevil | say, is there some way to include ~/bin and all subdirs in path - or is that a bad idea? |
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| 09:45.36 | ircdevil | mordain: well, i had to get some order in the hundres of little scripts i have accumulated. alternative suggestions is welcome |
| 09:45.38 | bbrazil | ircdevil: for i in bin/*; [ -d "$i" ] && PATH="$i:$PATH"; done |
| 09:46.03 | bbrazil | ircdevil: I'd just have bin full of symlinks |
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| 09:46.40 | ma3x | why are filesystems getting errors? |
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| 09:46.52 | ma3x | I mean first they don't have any errors |
| 09:47.00 | ma3x | and then suddenly in a few months errors come out |
| 09:47.04 | ma3x | whatfor, how? |
| 09:47.07 | ircdevil | bbrazil: well - i think the problem was that i had little chance of getting an overview of the contents of ~/bin - using symlinks will only make it worse i thinkg |
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| 09:47.35 | deadcat | ya |
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| 09:48.18 | mordain | ma3x : bad disk ? mechanical components wear out... |
| 09:49.12 | fireba11 | ma3x: you still got problems with that firewire HD ? |
| 09:49.22 | bbrazil | ircdevil: still have the subdirs, but somewhere else |
| 09:49.35 | some_dude | what is that odd named debian based linux ? |
| 09:49.39 | some_dude | kumbap ? |
| 09:49.46 | some_dude | kutunba ? |
| 09:49.47 | bbrazil | some_dude: kubuntu? |
| 09:49.56 | mordain | knoppix |
| 09:49.58 | ma3x | fireba11, yes you remember? |
| 09:50.07 | some_dude | knoppix is not that odd |
| 09:50.32 | some_dude | kubuntu, that's it |
| 09:51.00 | ircdevil | bbrazil: good - i can have overview of subdirs - but still the ~/bin dir will be massively crowded |
| 09:51.02 | fireba11 | ma3x: yes .. what have you tried so far ? |
| 09:51.03 | some_dude | can i take some kubuntu and add the debian ftp site to the apt list ? |
| 09:51.07 | mordain | no, it's ubuntu |
| 09:51.08 | some_dude | or would that be bad ? |
| 09:51.14 | some_dude | and k for kde |
| 09:51.30 | ma3x | fireba11, nothing special. Now I'm doing fsck /dev/sda1 |
| 09:51.33 | ircdevil | !ubuntu |
| 09:51.33 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 09:51.47 | bbrazil | ircdevil: its going to be like that one way or the other really |
| 09:51.48 | ma3x | fireba11, ^[Deleted inode 11173931 has zero dtime. Fix<y>? |
| 09:52.03 | ircdevil | bbrazil: hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 09:52.12 | fireba11 | ma3x: seems to be inconsistend .. go for fix |
| 09:52.40 | ma3x | fireba11, what does that mean? it has zero dtime? |
| 09:52.41 | ma3x | damage? |
| 09:52.43 | ma3x | or just an error? |
| 09:53.24 | fireba11 | ma3x: just an error in the filesystem .. if it can fix it chances are good its no physical error |
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| 09:54.23 | hellfire | can somebody read this, (is my irc client working)? |
| 09:54.29 | some_dude | anyone look at gobolinux ? i like the file system |
| 09:54.31 | fireba11 | hellfire: yes |
| 09:54.39 | hellfire | fireball: good. thx |
| 09:54.41 | bbrazil | ircdevil: random though, add tags to each script like '#DESC: whatever it does', with grep could make things quite nice |
| 09:54.48 | fireba11 | some_dude: what filesystem do they have ?? |
| 09:55.10 | ma3x | fireba11, /lost+found not found. Create<y>? |
| 09:55.12 | ma3x | is that necessary? |
| 09:55.21 | some_dude | it's programs/<programname>/<version>/bin with s symlink of that to /bin |
| 09:55.23 | bbrazil | its a good idea |
| 09:55.30 | ma3x | I mean I don't put anything in that lost+found |
| 09:55.37 | ma3x | so what do I need it |
| 09:55.37 | bbrazil | ma3x: fsck does |
| 09:55.55 | ma3x | ok |
| 09:56.12 | ma3x | after running fsck on that partition, is it necessary to run e2fsck? |
| 09:56.15 | some_dude | I'm thinking of editing dselect to do that on debian |
| 09:56.55 | mordain | some_dude: i am using sarge-powerpc, i lke that i can install it using XFS =) |
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| 09:57.07 | jm_ | fsck calls e2fsck for ext2 fs |
| 09:57.24 | ma3x | /dev/sda1: 40913/15630336 files (6.4% non-contiguous), 22917543/31236376 blocks |
| 09:57.25 | ma3x | is that good now? |
| 09:57.33 | ma3x | it fixed so many errors |
| 09:57.43 | bbrazil | ma3x: run fsck again until you get no errors |
| 09:57.44 | jm_ | that hardly says anything about the state of fs, it's just a summary |
| 09:58.00 | ma3x | bbrazil, I get none now |
| 09:58.04 | ma3x | /dev/sda1: clean, 40913/15630336 files, 22917543/31236376 blocks |
| 09:58.16 | ircdevil | bbrazil: scripts are commented with sane descriptions - and i have a make-readme script which compiles an overview. maybe i need to improve on that. |
| 09:58.16 | fireba11 | ma3x: sounds good |
| 09:58.23 | ma3x | hey cool |
| 09:58.25 | Duelist | 6.4% non-contiguous sounds like about time for a defrag |
| 09:58.26 | ma3x | one more question |
| 09:58.36 | ma3x | uhm |
| 09:58.41 | ma3x | do I really need to defragment it? |
| 09:58.41 | ma3x | nah |
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| 09:58.57 | fireba11 | ma3x: now i suggest you copy a heap of files there, delete, copy again and do another fsck to make sure it works reliable now |
| 09:59.01 | ma3x | anyway, can I run fsck on my debian running partition? |
| 09:59.08 | fireba11 | Duelist: what defrag ? :-) |
| 09:59.10 | tarzeau | ma3x: if it's ro mounted |
| 09:59.21 | ma3x | tarzeau, /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 09:59.21 | Duelist | fireba11: e2defrag I think |
| 09:59.24 | ma3x | that's how its mounted |
| 09:59.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: actually you can run it rw mounted too, but maybe just that one time |
| 09:59.29 | Duelist | there is a defragger for ext2fs |
| 09:59.37 | fireba11 | Duelist: is there any real need to use that ? |
| 09:59.42 | tarzeau | Duelist: don't bother |
| 09:59.47 | tarzeau | fireba11: no there isn't |
| 09:59.53 | fireba11 | tarzeau: thought so |
| 10:00.00 | fireba11 | never did a defrag on linux :-) |
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| 10:00.02 | ma3x | so can I do fsck /dev/hda3 now? |
| 10:00.04 | ma3x | though its mounted? |
| 10:00.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: i wouldn't |
| 10:00.18 | ma3x | tarzeau, so how the hell I check the main partition for errors? |
| 10:00.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: what errors? and why do you want to? |
| 10:00.36 | lestest | A package on the debian official stable repository have a non existent package in the Suggests field? Should I report it as a bug? |
| 10:00.40 | fireba11 | ma3x: there is a "check only, no write" option to fsck .. but still i would do a reboot -F to force fsck at reboot .. thats saver i think |
| 10:00.41 | ma3x | tarzeau, because I want to make sure the partition is errors free |
| 10:00.42 | hellfire | fireball: what about that you can't run fsck on a mounted filesystem. the paradoxon is: if i want a running system from which i can do a fsck i have to mount / but what if i want to check / |
| 10:00.47 | tarzeau | lestest: which/what? |
| 10:00.52 | azeem | lestest: maybe it is in non-free |
| 10:00.53 | mordain | ma3x: use a boot CD |
| 10:00.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: the disk or the partition? |
| 10:00.59 | ma3x | fireba11, ok thanks |
| 10:01.00 | zeeble | Well, boot from a CD, in rescue mode, and then fsck it |
| 10:01.14 | fireba11 | hellfire: you can force a fsck on boot if you need to do one on / |
| 10:01.17 | ma3x | tarzeau, the partition I'm running debian now from |
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| 10:01.30 | jm_ | the idea is that it's not RW mounted, not that it isn't mounted |
| 10:01.32 | tarzeau | ma3x: i think you want to check the disk, right? |
| 10:01.56 | ma3x | tarzeau, just /dev/hda3 |
| 10:02.02 | ma3x | not all the partitions |
| 10:02.05 | hellfire | fireball: ok |
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| 10:02.22 | fireba11 | hellfire: also you can mount it ro and then fsck if you want |
| 10:02.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: for hardware problems ? |
| 10:02.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: or filesystem? |
| 10:02.33 | ma3x | filesys |
| 10:02.38 | jm_ | ma3x: read through checkroot.sh |
| 10:02.51 | ma3x | fireba11, why is that -F option not listed in the reboot manpage/ |
| 10:02.52 | hellfire | fireball: ic |
| 10:03.10 | Duelist | hellfire: that's where Knoppix comes in |
| 10:03.13 | Genghis_ | anyone knows why iptables stops logging dropped packets (on debian sarge) to /var/log/kernel.log after +/- 20mins of normal behavior? |
| 10:03.17 | ma3x | jm_, whats that checkroot? |
| 10:03.22 | Duelist | you can fsck all you want when your / is read-only |
| 10:03.25 | fireba11 | ma3x: hm .. maybe i confused it a bit -- but there is such an option for sure |
| 10:03.26 | hellfire | duelist: how do you mean? |
| 10:03.37 | mordain | hmmm, reboot -F is not in man page |
| 10:03.52 | ma3x | no its not |
| 10:04.03 | hellfire | duelist: (that with knoppix) |
| 10:04.07 | fireba11 | ma3x: sorry .. it was shutdown -F |
| 10:04.15 | ma3x | fireba11, ok thanks |
| 10:04.40 | Duelist | hellfire: when you boot Knoppix your / is in memory and everything loads from CD |
| 10:04.59 | hellfire | duelist: yes. |
| 10:05.01 | Duelist | so nothing on the hard drive is ever mounted, you can even run GNU Parted to resize your usual / if you want |
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| 10:05.47 | hellfire | duelist: the logic interpreter in my brain is following you. |
| 10:05.59 | sn00p | anybody know if they have firefox 1.5 for debian yet? |
| 10:06.00 | hellfire | :) |
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| 10:06.11 | jm_ | ma3x: it's an init script |
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| 10:06.20 | [GABRI] | hi |
| 10:06.23 | hellfire | sn00p: why for debian? |
| 10:06.34 | sn00p | hellfire thats what i'm using |
| 10:06.37 | sn00p | the apt get |
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| 10:06.42 | Duelist | I'm not sure what the "official" Debian rescue disc has on it but I just use Knoppix as my rescue disc |
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| 10:07.00 | sn00p | is firefox1.5 in .deb? |
| 10:07.06 | tarzeau | sn00p: packages.debian.org |
| 10:07.18 | fireba11 | sn00p: not in sarge if you mean that |
| 10:07.21 | tarzeau | sn00p: no it's not |
| 10:07.26 | hellfire | sn00p: i downloaded firefox from their internet site. its a precompiled binary. it works on my box. |
| 10:07.33 | tarzeau | hellfire: it's buggy |
| 10:07.36 | ircdevil | sn00p: get the binary from mozilla.org |
| 10:07.42 | hellfire | tarzaeu: ah. |
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| 10:12.42 | henk | to get memory >850MB to work do i realy need to build my own kernel? or can i get a debian kernel to use it? why does the debian kernel not have highmem support by default? |
| 10:13.18 | zeeble | henk: 850MB? |
| 10:13.45 | zeeble | you dont need a special kernel for for 850M |
| 10:13.59 | henk | zeeble, 885MB seems to be it's max i've got 4 gig |
| 10:14.02 | jewel | I don't know, I had problems with adding more memory to my laptop and then not having a big enough suspend partition |
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| 10:14.07 | sn00p | why is firefox-1.5.tar.gz so small only like 8mbs |
| 10:14.24 | zeeble | sn00p: eh? it has always been around that. |
| 10:14.25 | tarzeau | sn00p: it's huge |
| 10:14.25 | lucas2 | Good morning from a rainy Eindhoven, The Netherlands |
| 10:14.41 | sn00p | no isn't is like 30mbs? |
| 10:14.51 | soulreaper | no |
| 10:15.01 | sn00p | I thought it was |
| 10:15.02 | zeeble | henk: you need highmem for 4GB or more. |
| 10:15.10 | lucas2 | Does anybodyknow if there is a way to review the installation history of APT? |
| 10:15.21 | tarzeau | lucas2: history |
| 10:15.33 | henk | zeeble, i know, but why do i need to build my own kernel for it ? why not enable the debian kernel for it by default? |
| 10:15.47 | tarzeau | henk: because |
| 10:15.51 | azeem | lucas2: not apt, but dpkg keeps a log in /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 10:16.19 | henk | so why trunt them by default |
| 10:16.28 | blondie | ism |
| 10:16.34 | tarzeau | henk: because |
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| 10:16.45 | deadcat_ | jm_: i think i fucked it up )= |
| 10:16.47 | henk | tarzeau, bacause what ? |
| 10:16.56 | tarzeau | henk: yes |
| 10:16.56 | deadcat_ | i cant print anything now. even reinstalled cups and the stuff from the cd |
| 10:17.15 | jm_ | deadcat_: maybe the problem is if you configure two printers on the same device |
| 10:17.22 | zeeble | henk: i'll give you one reason. suspend to disk on laptops does'nt work properly with a highmem enabled kernel. |
| 10:17.23 | lucas2 | tarzeau: That´s just a command line history... I would like to know exactly which packages are installed |
| 10:17.31 | tarzeau | lucas2: dpkg -l |
| 10:17.35 | deadcat_ | jm_: wait.. i cant lpr /proc/cpuinfo )= |
| 10:17.43 | tarzeau | henk: file a bug or build your kernel. |
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| 10:17.51 | lucas2 | azeem: this log file does not exist... Is it not a standard setting in dpkg to keep this log file? |
| 10:17.51 | jm_ | deadcat_: lpr? do you have cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 10:17.59 | zeeble | henk: and there are prolly more users on laptops who do not need to build a kernel, than people who have 4Gigs of more of ram |
| 10:18.09 | jm_ | lucas2: no, but aptitude does |
| 10:18.09 | azeem | lucas2: are you running sarge? |
| 10:18.17 | jm_ | I think new version of dpkg does too |
| 10:18.19 | deadcat_ | jm_: ya. |
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| 10:18.26 | azeem | yeah, seems the sarge version doesn't |
| 10:18.28 | jm_ | deadcat_: well what does it say? |
| 10:18.36 | henk | zeeble, i think that now 1GB of mem is becomming stable in most new desktops the 885 limit should be looked at |
| 10:18.40 | tarzeau | lucas2: use debian gnu/kfreebsd, it's got not the 1gb limit on nohihgmem linux kernels |
| 10:18.51 | deadcat_ | jm_: lpr /etc/motd works. doesnt like /proc/cpuinfo (= |
| 10:18.54 | tarzeau | henk: yes file a bug |
| 10:18.55 | azeem | tarzeau: and it has suspend to disk? |
| 10:18.56 | henk | s/stable/standard |
| 10:19.01 | tarzeau | henk: #debian is not BTS |
| 10:19.03 | lucas2 | azeem: yes |
| 10:19.12 | henk | tarzeau, ok... |
| 10:19.13 | henk | bts ? |
| 10:19.14 | tarzeau | azeem: no idea |
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| 10:19.19 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 10:19.19 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 10:19.25 | zeeble | henk: yeah, put in the suggestion into the BTS. that'll be a step forward |
| 10:19.32 | kapil | deadcat: cat /proc/cpuinfo | lpr |
| 10:19.32 | deadcat_ | jm_: ya doesnt like virtual files |
| 10:19.57 | zeeble | and btw, what is this 885MB limit? |
| 10:20.18 | henk | tarzeau, ok well i came here to ask if there was a way to enable the highmem without rebuilding the kernel by hand. so was not here to spew my thoughts about what i thought was a bug |
| 10:20.34 | henk | i'll file the bug |
| 10:20.37 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:20.37 | tarzeau | henk: no there is not a way. you ever asked it that way? |
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| 10:21.37 | henk | tarzeau, this was my first question here : to get memory >850MB to work do i realy need to build my own kernel? or can i get a debian kernel to use it? why does the debian kernel not have highmem support by default? so yes i did |
| 10:22.11 | henk | but i didn't mean to sturr up things in here :) |
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| 10:22.26 | azeem | henk: no problem |
| 10:22.47 | azeem | henk: so you have 4GB, and can use only 850? |
| 10:22.55 | zeeble | just go ahead and build the kernel. you prolly have a SMP machine, it will churn out one real quick |
| 10:23.26 | lucas2 | tarzeau: Ok, dpkg -l looks interesting. Is there a way to determine when a particular package was installed? |
| 10:23.47 | azeem | lucas2: I don't think so, when dpkg doesn't log |
| 10:23.51 | tarzeau | lucas2: from testing on , /var/log/dpkg.log as azeem said |
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| 10:24.43 | azeem | lucas2: maybe you could draw some conclusions from time stamps in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list, not sure |
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| 10:25.31 | lucas2 | tarzeau: How do I turn on dpkg logging? |
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| 10:26.15 | jm_ | deadcat_: ahh probably because it's zero bytes long -- cat file|lp |
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| 10:28.20 | kapil | lucas2: the date on the /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.list file is a good indicator of the date when a package was installed. |
| 10:29.00 | nadjyla | hello |
| 10:29.04 | lucas2 | azeem: It seems to be useful - albeit only for the last time a package was updated |
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| 10:29.57 | azeem | lucas2: yes |
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| 10:30.20 | kapil | lucas2: perhaps 'ls --time=ctime /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.list' |
| 10:30.42 | kapil | lucas2: s/ls/ls -l/ |
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| 10:31.02 | selfi | hey anyone awake? |
| 10:31.08 | nadjyla | yeah |
| 10:31.11 | kapil | selfi: zzzzz |
| 10:31.18 | selfi | lol i wish |
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| 10:31.28 | selfi | what are you all up to atm ? |
| 10:32.03 | sussudio | selfi: i think you have mistaken this channel for #lolllerz on efnet. if you have a question about debian, ask it. |
| 10:32.29 | lucas2 | tarzeau, azeem, kapil: thanks for the help. Everyone: Have a nice day! |
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| 10:32.42 | lestest | tarzeau: azeem ganglia gmeta Suggests: ganglia-monitor, ganglia-webfrontend and the latter is a non existent package |
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| 10:33.16 | liberion | is it best to upgrade from testing to unstable i have a testing disk |
| 10:33.19 | azeem | lestest: well, it is not a big bug if it is just Suggests: |
| 10:33.20 | selfi | sussudio: i don't have a question about debian ! |
| 10:33.33 | azeem | lestest: check whether the same holds for unstable, and file a bug then, perhap |
| 10:34.07 | azeem | selfi: then you want to help us do end-user support? |
| 10:34.08 | kapil | selfi: answers are fine too :) |
| 10:34.16 | lestest | azeem: same in unstable |
| 10:35.02 | liberion | does anyone have an official sources-list for unstable? |
| 10:35.11 | kapil | lestest: check whether there is a virtual package which provides ganglia-webfrontend |
| 10:35.15 | azeem | liberion: apt-setup does that |
| 10:35.27 | liberion | azeem, thanx |
| 10:35.27 | selfi | well i dont know much about debian specifically, but i understand the actual concept of linux and how it works |
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| 10:36.02 | selfi | i have used slackware gentoo and mandarin as well as redhat and a few other distros that didnt become too popular |
| 10:36.04 | azeem | selfi: ok then. But keep in mind that this channel is a technical support channel, not a random-chat one |
| 10:36.06 | lestest | kapil: how do I? |
| 10:36.07 | selfi | icepick i think one was called |
| 10:36.19 | selfi | and the other was rootlinux |
| 10:36.20 | kapil | selfi: this channel is less about how-it-works and more about how-to-fix-it :) |
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| 10:36.36 | lestest | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.37 | selfi | well i know how it works so shouldnt i know how to fix it ? |
| 10:36.39 | kapil | lestest: apt-cache search ga... |
| 10:36.41 | deadcat | exit |
| 10:36.45 | roam | does debian-installer run on wrap-boards_ |
| 10:36.46 | roam | ? |
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| 10:36.47 | liberion | azeem, hmm dont seem to have apt-setup |
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| 10:37.09 | azeem | liberion: it is part of base-config, I believe |
| 10:37.10 | mUNoFiRaTT[GR] | Q. I have downloaded a rar archive. I have Sarge installed and when I tried to open it with the Archive Administrator there was a message saying that unrar was not found. unrar is non-free. How could debian rely on something that's not free? =/ What can I use instead? |
| 10:37.21 | azeem | liberion: did you try to run it as root/with sudo? |
| 10:37.23 | kapil | lestest: if the packages are in contrib then you may need non-free as well. |
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| 10:37.34 | liberion | azeem, and im running in root yes lol :) |
| 10:37.41 | azeem | mUNoFiRaTT[GR]: Debian does not rely on rar |
| 10:37.54 | azeem | mUNoFiRaTT[GR]: only that archiving program optionally can handle rars |
| 10:38.05 | kapil | lestest: otherwise it probably does count as a bug. |
| 10:38.24 | blondie | unrar probably won't work anyway |
| 10:38.30 | Guerin | !nickometer mUNoFiRaTT[GR] |
| 10:38.32 | dpkg | 'mUNoFiRaTT[GR]' is 99.880% lame, guerin |
| 10:38.33 | blondie | haha |
| 10:38.37 | lestest | kapil: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 10:38.40 | mUNoFiRaTT[GR] | Guerin: lol |
| 10:38.42 | Guerin | i think that's a bit low, actually |
| 10:38.43 | lestest | is that enough? |
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| 10:39.12 | mUNoFiRaTT[GR] | azeem: what can I use instead... name a package please =) |
| 10:39.25 | Duelist | mUNoFiRaTT[GR]: and it would help if you tell the moron that used it to stick to zip |
| 10:39.35 | mUNoFiRaTT[GR] | is that nickometer case sensitive? |
| 10:39.37 | Guerin | mUNoFiRaTT[GR]: there's no free software which can open modern rar archives |
| 10:39.40 | azeem | mUNoFiRaTT[GR]: I don't think there is a free unrar for most rar archives |
| 10:39.41 | Guerin | mUNoFiRaTT[GR]: yes |
| 10:39.44 | kapil | lestest: seems right. |
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| 10:39.54 | azeem | mUNoFiRaTT[GR]: you can try the one from non-free, of course |
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| 10:40.03 | Guerin | mUNoFiRaTT[GR]: the free rar implementation only opens rars made with an old version of rar |
| 10:40.12 | bartden | can windows xp join a samba PDC thats on a different subnet ?? |
| 10:40.28 | munofiratt[GR] | azeem: what's with using something non-free... such us commercial? illegal to use? =/ |
| 10:40.37 | Duelist | bartden: you might have better luck asking that in a Windows channel |
| 10:40.39 | munofiratt[GR] | Guerin: give my nick another shot |
| 10:40.41 | Guerin | munofiratt[GR]: if you want free software, you won't use it; however, there is a static binary on the author's site |
| 10:40.42 | azeem | munofiratt[GR]: I don't understand |
| 10:40.49 | Guerin | !nickometer munofiratt[GR] |
| 10:40.51 | dpkg | 'munofiratt[GR]' is 15.000% lame, guerin |
| 10:40.52 | bartden | Duelist its samba related |
| 10:40.56 | azeem | munofiratt[GR]: non-free is just not Free Software, there is nothing illegal to it |
| 10:40.56 | Guerin | much better |
| 10:41.07 | Duelist | munofiratt[GR]: "free" is in the sense of "free as a bird" (freedom, not cost) |
| 10:41.09 | azeem | munofiratt[GR]: it is unethical to use, but not illegal, rather |
| 10:41.12 | munofiratt[GR] | Guerin: will stick to that nick thanks =D |
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| 10:41.30 | Duelist | !nickometer Duelist |
| 10:41.32 | dpkg | 'Duelist' is 0.000% lame, duelist |
| 10:41.34 | munofiratt[GR] | thanks for your help people |
| 10:41.36 | Duelist | :-) |
| 10:42.05 | roam | does Debian run on WRAP-boards? |
| 10:42.07 | lame | !nickometer lame |
| 10:42.09 | dpkg | 'lame' is 62.000% lame, lame |
| 10:42.16 | Duelist | hmm |
| 10:42.20 | Duelist | !nickometer [bn]ennoia |
| 10:42.22 | dpkg | '[bn]ennoia' is 10.000% lame, duelist |
| 10:42.32 | azeem | people, please stop abusing the bot |
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| 10:43.06 | sussudio | in soviet russia, bots abuse you |
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| 10:43.28 | fireba11 | lol |
| 10:43.34 | plbgnr | hello, I installed xmms-defx ...plugin for xmms and now I want to save output from xmms filtered with this plugin ....can antbody advice how to do it? |
| 10:43.54 | munofiratt[gr] | well... I would like to use a package with sort of user interface for the non-geeky users of this box |
| 10:44.05 | jm_ | configure output plugin in xmms |
| 10:44.33 | azeem | munofiratt[gr]: assuming you are still the rar guy, I guess your archiver will just use unrar if it finds it |
| 10:45.12 | Guerin | poll: We were just eating at a restaurant. Outside said restaurant, there is a Cute Puppy (TM). It is very likely to snow tonight, and said Cute Puppy is very likely to Freeze To Death. We have no facilities to house a Cute Puppy, and will not be staying in korea long enough to really Take Care of it, but nevertheless: |
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| 10:45.21 | Guerin | Should we resuce said Cute Puppy? [yn] |
| 10:45.26 | Guerin | rescue, even |
| 10:45.50 | azeem | !poll |
| 10:45.50 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 10:45.56 | azeem | hrm |
| 10:45.58 | Guerin | azeem: aw, shaddup |
| 10:46.01 | azeem | ;) |
| 10:46.15 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 10:47.55 | tijn | mmmh |
| 10:48.14 | tijn | any kows a good howto on how i can let my server send sms? |
| 10:48.20 | jelly | Guerin: pardon the puns, but that sounds like another day in paradise for the puppy. Think about it. |
| 10:48.44 | Guerin | jelly: don't you DARE quote phil collins at me! |
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| 10:49.07 | Guerin | jelly: quote him at sussudio if you must. |
| 10:49.19 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 10:49.32 | jelly | Guerin: no, I was being at least half serious. |
| 10:49.41 | sussudio | !confuse tijn |
| 10:49.41 | dpkg | No, who was their badger tomorrow, tijn? breeches of the democracy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 10:49.41 | joan | hello everybody. I've got 2 questions.... |
| 10:50.02 | tijn | darn |
| 10:50.07 | tijn | now iam confused |
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| 10:50.18 | tijn | smsclient.org :D |
| 10:50.19 | Shadur | A puppy in Korea? Call the nearest restaurant. |
| 10:50.23 | tijn | it works! |
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| 10:50.32 | Guerin | Shadur: that option has already been considered, and it was decided that the Cute Puppy, being as it is much smaller than an average chicken, is of little use to the restaurant |
| 10:50.38 | tijn | :D |
| 10:51.11 | Guerin | Despite lacking facilities, we can probably hand said Cute Puppy off to a local vet or some hapless schoolchild. |
| 10:51.26 | joan | 1) It seems to me I've hear about stable and testing will be more similar from now... Is it true? |
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| 10:51.38 | Guerin | I'm quite sure my wife wants to go back for the Cute Puppy, even though she's an avowed Dog Hater |
| 10:51.50 | Guerin | joan: no |
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| 10:52.16 | zeeble | have you had suyuk or duruchigi ever, guerin? |
| 10:52.20 | Ronin | Guerin: but with bird flu puppys are much safer |
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| 10:53.05 | joan | hi guerin, you would to say stable will have openoffice 1 while testing oo2 for months and months, as present?? |
| 10:53.07 | Duelist | I had a Cute Kitty wander into my yard once. Kitty became Fat Cat Which Required $900 Kidney Surgery alongside my mom's three cats |
| 10:53.11 | plbgnr | jm_: thanks :) I used disk writer output plugin and have desired wav file ;) |
| 10:53.28 | Guerin | zeeble: i've had tangsuyuk, which isn't strictly korean, and I've had takdaritang; but neither involve dog |
| 10:53.36 | Guerin | joan: yes. |
| 10:53.55 | munofiratt[gr] | thanks you all for your time =) |
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| 10:55.14 | Guerin | Duelist: nice. |
| 10:55.29 | Guerin | the thing is that we're only in this country for the next couple months |
| 10:55.41 | Guerin | so said Cute Puppy is going to have to find another home |
| 10:55.47 | Duelist | problem, indeed. |
| 10:56.35 | joan | I think that debian people had decided 4 or 5 architectures will be necessaries for a package will show its stability and pass to stable dist... Problem for me is that I'm working with testing for now, but i need stability because sometimes evolution (for example) is not in testing... |
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| 10:57.06 | Konky | hi |
| 10:57.08 | Konky | I set date with date -s, i do a hwclock --systohc, i reboot and date is the old date again. what could be wrong ? |
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| 10:58.03 | Coweater | Konky: is the hardware clock set at what it's supposed to be? |
| 10:58.09 | Eclipser | if I recall you shouldn't use date to set the date... |
| 10:58.22 | AciD | use ntpdate |
| 10:58.33 | Konky | "hwclock" now shows the correct date |
| 10:58.39 | Konky | but "date" still the same |
| 10:58.46 | Konky | what use is ntpdate for a offline box |
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| 10:59.49 | dfd | hello |
| 10:59.50 | Coweater | Konky: you probably have it set for gmt and you're trying to use it like a local clock |
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| 11:00.29 | zignig | bleh |
| 11:00.43 | dfd | have you had problems compiling wxruby on debian? It compiles well to me, but when I require it I get this error: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/i486-linux/wxruby.so: undefined symbol: _Z12wxEntryStartiPPc |
| 11:00.47 | Konky | hmm ok |
| 11:01.02 | kapil | Konky: check /etc/default/rcS |
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| 11:03.01 | fireba11 | Konky: things like always-offline-boxes still exist ? |
| 11:03.05 | joan | 2ond question... I've got and old hard disk with a debian testing, a ms windows and an old mandrake... Now I'm going to install a second HD (160Gb). Can I install a new debian stable in it (I'm thinking in making 4 partitions: 40Gb for debian stable; 40Gb fot windows because my father says to me that camcorders soft need 20gb at least to work; 40Gb to test other distros, etc and the last 40Gb in FAT32 to exchange files between debian a |
| 11:03.05 | joan | if needed: xmule, torrent, etc.). Any suggestions?; |
| 11:03.33 | Trewas | meh, nautilus shows thumbnails for every other file format in the universe except for postscript files... and that would have actually been useful for me now |
| 11:04.12 | joan | is there any problems with 2 HD with several Op. System in them? Any master slave suggestion? |
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| 11:06.40 | joan | eo? |
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| 11:07.16 | fireba11 | a new bios can boot of every HD anyway |
| 11:07.32 | fireba11 | though your HD setup sounds like an awful waste of space ;-) |
| 11:07.49 | joan | why? |
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| 11:10.45 | nakee | how do I use apt-get to install certain version of a package? |
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| 11:12.37 | azeem | nakee: pass it the version like apt-get install foo=3.2.2-1 |
| 11:12.41 | joan | fireba11: why do you think is a waste of space? I'd like read your opinion to evoid errors... |
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| 11:13.04 | nakee | azeem: thanks |
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| 11:14.57 | liran | how do i set a user to be a member of certain groups? |
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| 11:15.10 | ma3x | what means this? |
| 11:15.15 | ma3x | ieee1394: unsolicited response packet received - no tlabel match |
| 11:15.21 | ma3x | I checked my partition and I fsck fixed the errors |
| 11:15.33 | ma3x | but now I got one msg in dmesg like that |
| 11:15.38 | ma3x | is it something serious? |
| 11:15.39 | jm_ | liran_: man adduser |
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| 11:17.29 | ma3x | nobody knows? |
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| 11:19.28 | plbgnr | Is there any package which shows how much bytes/sec go out/in through ra0 interface (or eth0) ? |
| 11:19.41 | Konky | iptraf as example |
| 11:19.42 | Eclipser | many |
| 11:20.01 | petemc | plbgnr: nload, bwm |
| 11:20.02 | Konky | try apt-cache search lan |
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| 11:21.35 | plbgnr | ok thanks :) |
| 11:23.09 | ac3 | Hi, where can i find info about the meaning of pam keywords like: nullok use_authtok shadow obscure, ... |
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| 11:24.47 | jm_ | ac3: PAM docs |
| 11:24.58 | [Bartje] | jm_: I was just thinking that :) |
| 11:26.15 | ac3 | jm_: man pam doesn´t give more infor about it |
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| 11:27.29 | borco | hi |
| 11:27.33 | al462_04 | when using ln -s what's first the source or the empty dir? |
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| 11:28.30 | borco | i'm running unstable and i try to install woody into a chroot with debootstrap. when i try to run from the chroot the base-config command, it returns imediately with "Terminated". any idea why? |
| 11:28.36 | jm_ | ac3: it's not in man pages |
| 11:28.57 | jm_ | ac3: install libpam-doc |
| 11:29.01 | jm_ | or read it online |
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| 11:30.07 | borco | i have also try to add the following line to the base system's /etc/initta: 8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot /home/woody /sbin/getty 38400 tty8 |
| 11:30.08 | pzn | Hi! do you know which arch debian package "busybox-static" was compiled for? will it run in 486 or old pentium? |
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| 11:30.25 | xota | pzn, i386 i think |
| 11:31.09 | ac3 | jm_: i have installed libpam-doc, but i cannot find it in there |
| 11:31.14 | jm_ | pzn: why wouldn't it run |
| 11:31.17 | borco | but the system does nothing except reporting that Id "8" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 11:31.52 | Duelist | pzn: try 'file busybox-static' |
| 11:31.55 | Duelist | that should tell you |
| 11:31.55 | borco | if I try to simply /usr/sbin/chroot /home/woody, then everything appears to be fine... |
| 11:32.09 | timmo | where do issued sudo commands get logged? |
| 11:32.42 | netgod | timmo: /var/log/auth.log |
| 11:32.44 | jm_ | ac3: unix password module docs explain it all |
| 11:32.52 | timmo | thanks netgod |
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| 11:33.55 | pzn | Duelist, "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0" that means it will run in 386/486/586/686/k6/k7? |
| 11:35.00 | tomiq | Did you ever meet this issue with gdesklets? :: gdesklets won't start :: can't connect to daemon... and no log is written.. |
| 11:35.19 | ac3 | jm_: what´s the name of that man page? |
| 11:35.31 | jm_ | ac3: I have already told you it's not a man page |
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| 11:36.26 | ac3 | jm_: but where can i find it then? :) |
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| 11:36.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:36.36 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:36.53 | jm_ | ac3: list content of the libpam-doc package |
| 11:38.00 | Duelist | pzn: that looks about right |
| 11:38.02 | tarzeau | only 3051 of sarge users report using popcon, and 5132 from sid |
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| 11:38.42 | tarzeau | almost 600 users use something older than sarge and popcon |
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| 11:38.50 | pzn | Duelist, 2.2.0 means kernel or libc version? |
| 11:39.03 | tarzeau | 700 people use strange versions of popcon |
| 11:39.14 | tarzeau | pzn: linux kernel probablz |
| 11:39.23 | c_k | anyone here running proftd with a password files at all? |
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| 11:40.02 | Duelist | pzn: that's kernel version |
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| 11:40.16 | batMANNu | yau |
| 11:40.24 | batMANNu | any american pervy hippy pals? :P |
| 11:40.26 | batMANNu | hihih |
| 11:41.13 | batMANNu | yeah |
| 11:41.17 | batMANNu | here are 700 pals online |
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| 11:41.21 | batMANNu | and none of you talking |
| 11:41.22 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:41.29 | batMANNu | really cool chat :D |
| 11:41.29 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 11:41.46 | batMANNu | ok chillars.. :D |
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| 11:41.54 | tarzeau | 12:41 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from batMANNu: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
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| 11:43.04 | batMANNu | huh |
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| 11:43.40 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:43.41 | batMANNu | ok |
| 11:43.43 | batMANNu | start talking nwo |
| 11:43.45 | batMANNu | now* |
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| 11:44.28 | batMANNu | ok |
| 11:44.37 | batMANNu | then i must pretend to be one american hippy nasty pal |
| 11:44.38 | batMANNu | ok.. |
| 11:44.40 | batMANNu | as you wish |
| 11:44.41 | batMANNu | :P |
| 11:45.09 | vega- | batMANNu: nobody is interested in your bs, so shut up ok? |
| 11:45.14 | batMANNu | no |
| 11:45.16 | batMANNu | no shut up |
| 11:45.21 | batMANNu | shut up is evil |
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| 11:45.27 | vega- | sigh |
| 11:45.38 | batMANNu | vega sounds nasty to me |
| 11:45.39 | batMANNu | yay |
| 11:45.43 | batMANNu | i think i found you huh :D |
| 11:45.44 | batMANNu | lol |
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| 11:46.07 | jm_ | !ops we have a moron requiring attention |
| 11:46.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: we have a moron requiring attention |
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| 11:46.20 | SlayerXP | jm_: no, I'm fine, thanks |
| 11:46.23 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:46.23 | jm_ | SlayerXP: :P |
| 11:46.50 | batMANNu | hei yer not friendly at alll |
| 11:46.53 | batMANNu | thats eeeevil |
| 11:46.53 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:47.02 | batMANNu | we have 700 evil dudes and dudettes here.. |
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| 11:47.06 | batMANNu | thats all fine |
| 11:47.06 | batMANNu | ok i c.. |
| 11:47.12 | c_k | anyone here using proftpd then at all? |
| 11:47.14 | tarzeau | batMANNu: http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/517/thumbs/bunny-you_suck_big_time.jpg |
| 11:47.19 | antgel | !tell c_k about anyone |
| 11:47.20 | tarzeau | c_k: no |
| 11:47.23 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:47.58 | batMANNu | evil evil |
| 11:48.03 | batMANNu | so eeviiil.. |
| 11:48.06 | batMANNu | shallallallallaaa |
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| 11:48.23 | batMANNu | admit it, as i came in... you at least started to TYPE SOMETHING |
| 11:48.24 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:48.29 | batMANNu | zombz ;) |
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| 11:49.11 | liberion | top |
| 11:49.11 | batMANNu | woudyhoudy |
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| 11:49.24 | batMANNu | top1 |
| 11:49.38 | tomiq | funny |
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| 11:50.02 | batMANNu | now comes in "TOP" |
| 11:50.04 | batMANNu | okkkk |
| 11:50.06 | batMANNu | i c i ce |
| 11:50.10 | batMANNu | iiciicicicici |
| 11:50.13 | batMANNu | so |
| 11:50.18 | batMANNu | DUDES |
| 11:50.21 | batMANNu | DUDETTES |
| 11:50.27 | batMANNu | t |
| 11:50.28 | batMANNu | y |
| 11:50.29 | batMANNu | p |
| 11:50.30 | batMANNu | e |
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| 11:50.32 | batMANNu | ;) |
| 11:50.42 | SlayerXP | batMANNu: if you're bored, check your horoscope. type /sign <your star sign> |
| 11:50.51 | vega- | batMANNu: get a life. |
| 11:51.02 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:51.06 | tarzeau | batMANNu: try alt-f4 |
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| 11:51.08 | batMANNu | vega get laid |
| 11:51.12 | batMANNu | no thanks :D |
| 11:51.14 | batMANNu | dudes |
| 11:51.45 | tomiq | tarzeau: <control> q |
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| 11:52.01 | batMANNu | lol |
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| 11:52.30 | batMANNu | bastards :P |
| 11:52.38 | batMANNu | try pressing "start" button |
| 11:52.38 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:52.41 | batMANNu | and then uhh |
| 11:52.43 | batMANNu | yer bastards :P |
| 11:52.47 | batMANNu | evil lazy bastards :D |
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| 11:53.12 | batMANNu | but you love me |
| 11:53.13 | munofiratt[GR] | Q. is there a nice ftp client with GUI like... ermm.. FileZilla? =) |
| 11:53.13 | batMANNu | lol |
| 11:53.17 | possie | anyone know a tool that can convert a word document to latex ? |
| 11:53.24 | Shadur | munofiratt[GR]: Well, there's filezilla. |
| 11:53.31 | munofiratt[GR] | Shadur: =p |
| 11:53.32 | tarzeau | tomiq: ctrl-q does nothing here |
| 11:53.47 | munofiratt[GR] | sorry for the bolds... missed a ctrl-b =/ |
| 11:53.49 | antgel | possie: there is one for rtf to latex |
| 11:54.00 | batMANNu | thats better! |
| 11:54.03 | joelio | hey guys, juist wondering if anybody has ever attempted to create a script that will log all of the .debs via a dpgk -l and also do an md5sum of the files on the system. |
| 11:54.07 | munofiratt[GR] | Shadur: does filezilla run on linux? |
| 11:54.07 | tarzeau | possie: there's antiword and the wxtools? |
| 11:54.15 | tomiq | tarzeau: nor does alt f4 |
| 11:54.18 | tomiq | :) |
| 11:54.21 | tarzeau | tomiq: he's got mirc |
| 11:54.22 | joelio | .. and then create a compare script for quick recovery |
| 11:54.28 | tarzeau | tomiq: and it was to him |
| 11:54.48 | jm_ | joelio: apt-cache show debsums, then there are tools like aide etc. |
| 11:54.59 | batMANNu | maby him is her? |
| 11:55.00 | Paivakil | where is the url where orphaned packages are listed? |
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| 11:55.12 | munofiratt[GR] | from apt-get --> E: Couldn't find package filezilla |
| 11:55.20 | antgel | Paivakil: have you even *tried* to find it? |
| 11:55.22 | munofiratt[GR] | is it an unstable package? |
| 11:55.23 | batMANNu | paivakil must be finn dudes and dudettes |
| 11:55.25 | tarzeau | Paivakil: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned |
| 11:55.45 | Paivakil | thanks; I had bookmarked the url; but was getting lost trying to find it |
| 11:55.59 | tarzeau | Paivakil: i found it with wnpp orphaned in google |
| 11:56.09 | jm_ | nicely organized bookmarks those must be |
| 11:56.11 | joelio | jm_ cheers, but I want to be able to create a .diff between say the .deb files on a mail server that's in use and be able to bring another server up to the same spec with the same packages.. |
| 11:56.21 | antgel | tarzeau: who would have thought that could work? :P |
| 11:56.28 | Paivakil | forgot the wnpp part ;) |
| 11:56.37 | jm_ | joelio: man dpkg-repack |
| 11:56.56 | possie | antgel, okee... perhaps pdf to latex as well? i guess not |
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| 11:57.32 | antgel | possie: i'm not apt. perhaps. you could always export as text from pdf |
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| 11:58.05 | batMANNu | ok pals |
| 11:58.07 | batMANNu | gonna go to sleep |
| 11:58.10 | batMANNu | cao! |
| 11:58.17 | jm_ | yeah it's way past bedtime for 11 year olds |
| 11:58.17 | Shadur | munofiratt[GR]: filezilla is a firefox extension, isn't it? Just grab it the usual way |
| 11:58.19 | dfd | bye |
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| 11:58.36 | munofiratt[GR] | Shadur: won' |
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| 11:59.05 | batMANNu | jm its 13:59 here |
| 11:59.07 | batMANNu | and im tired |
| 11:59.07 | tarzeau | Shadur: looks not like for non-windows |
| 11:59.13 | munofiratt[GR] | Shadda: won't use firefox... konqueror runs fine here... however I found aria, filerunner and gftp any ratings on those? |
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| 11:59.33 | batMANNu | and im gonna sleep a while, couse as you damn would be as busy as i am you would be sleeping every minute as you have free time as well |
| 11:59.34 | antgel | munofiratt[GR]: how about trying them? |
| 11:59.37 | stumbles | hi, i'm having a problem whereby my cups printer can print test pages but ignores regular jobs. Having a little trouble googling anything relevant - any suggestions? |
| 11:59.40 | batMANNu | so i do it too |
| 11:59.42 | tarzeau | munofiratt[GR]: i hate filerunner. gftp is ugly |
| 11:59.42 | stylesp | filezilla is an ftp client/server software |
| 11:59.49 | joelio | jm_ I've pretty much started a script already that can tell what the differences between the 2 servers are and say what .debs need installing / restoring.. I'd like to restore from clean sources if possible, with a combo of backedup config files |
| 11:59.52 | kart_ | so Paivakil is hunting for package! |
| 11:59.53 | antgel | stylesp: read the manual. read the logs |
| 11:59.54 | munofiratt[GR] | antgel: trying them will not let me know your opinion |
| 12:00.05 | antgel | munofiratt[GR]: my opinion is that you should try them |
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| 12:00.20 | munofiratt[GR] | antgel: point taken then, I will =) |
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| 12:00.48 | Industrial | Anyone use the SciTE editor? i need ot know if i can use ONE font for EVERYTHING. http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1753/untitled6ui.png |
| 12:00.53 | antgel | munofiratt[GR]: look at their websites, version numbers, etc |
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| 12:01.05 | Paivakil | kart_: yup |
| 12:01.24 | kart_ | Paivakil, well you can go for aspell-ml |
| 12:01.25 | Paivakil | stumbles: do the jobs turn up on http://localhost:631/jobs |
| 12:01.38 | joelio | jm_ I just need to find a way of automating that now.. basically I will run dpkg -l on the machine in question on a regular |
| 12:01.45 | Paivakil | somebody is already packaging aspell-* for indic languages |
| 12:01.53 | keikoz | re |
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| 12:02.03 | kart_ | oh soumyadip |
| 12:02.22 | joelio | jm_ interval and then run the script on a clean box.. I just need a rexexp guru now!! |
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| 12:02.36 | jm_ | joelio: /msg dpkg ask |
| 12:02.38 | Industrial | nm |
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| 12:02.45 | stumbles | Paivakil: no jobs don't appear in the list. my little gnome-print icon pops up for a second but then goes away again |
| 12:03.13 | jm_ | stumbles: ry printing them with lp and see what happens, CUPS also has logfiles |
| 12:03.48 | tarzeau | no updates for this? http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html |
| 12:03.56 | stumbles | jm_: rightyo, i'll give that a go |
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| 12:14.55 | tarzeau | can't wait for 2.0 of dejavu.sf.net get into sid... |
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| 12:16.55 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 12:17.03 | Shadowcat | there should be a list of what's broken in sid |
| 12:17.33 | liran | hewy hey shadowca |
| 12:17.38 | liran | eh |
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| 12:18.16 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 12:18.28 | x`y`-xy | how can delete a director in debian ??? hlp me pls |
| 12:18.38 | tarzeau | x`y`-xy: rm -rf dir |
| 12:18.41 | x`y`-xy | thx |
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| 12:19.25 | uk-male | hello, does anyone have experience with EMC and debian? |
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| 12:19.37 | SlayerXP | uk-male: yes, someone does. |
| 12:19.52 | uk-male | SlayerXP: helpful :p |
| 12:20.03 | SlayerXP | uk-male: a pleasure. |
| 12:20.08 | dimir | !nickometer x`y`-xy |
| 12:20.10 | dpkg | 'x`y`-xy' is 80.000% lame, dimir |
| 12:20.24 | dimir | no, it's more. |
| 12:20.41 | stumbles | Paivakil, jm_: printing with lpr works fine, so firefox can print. Programs like Abiword, OpenOffice, gedit can't though - the job just vanishes. |
| 12:20.44 | Duelist | are there any mirrors of marillat besides nerim.net? |
| 12:21.00 | Samus_Aran | please someone can you give me the IP of a DNS server, this ISP's DNS server can't currently resolve Google or Yahoo, so I can't look one up |
| 12:21.40 | Duelist | Samus_Aran: run your own? |
| 12:21.53 | GNULinux | model name : AMD Duron(tm) processor , can use K7 kernel ? |
| 12:22.13 | jm_ | stumbles: how did you configure printer in OO? |
| 12:22.16 | Samus_Aran | Duelist: helpful you are not. someone else gave me one. g'day |
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| 12:23.20 | Duelist | GNULinux: I think so |
| 12:23.30 | stumbles | jm_: i didn't do anything for OO in particular - it's the only printer available in the drop down box |
| 12:23.58 | GNULinux | Duelist: does it have better performance than using the -386 version kernel? |
| 12:24.02 | Paivakil | stumbles: check the printer configuration for each application |
| 12:24.09 | Duelist | GNULinux: I would say so |
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| 12:24.24 | jm_ | stumbles: did it show all the details for it as they're configured in CUPS? |
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| 12:26.02 | uk-male | i was looking at setting up a SAN, what alternatives are there to EMC that work with debian? |
| 12:26.04 | jm_ | stumbles: and what command is set for it in OO (should be lp, and it should say CUPS:foo)? |
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| 12:28.54 | stumbles | jm_: the details shown by OO appear te be correct, but it doesn't list a print command anywhere (unlike firefox). The CUPS:myprinter is correct. |
| 12:29.08 | jm_ | stumbles: my OO shows it |
| 12:29.16 | stumbles | jm_: OO doesn't have much to tweak that i can see |
| 12:29.22 | jm_ | stumbles: sure it does, run /usr/lib/openoffice/spadmin |
| 12:29.38 | jm_ | then properties and you'll see "Select command" |
| 12:29.47 | jm_ | and Configure as: |
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| 12:30.22 | Duelist | and is SPARC hardware still being made? |
| 12:30.27 | jm_ | yes |
| 12:30.37 | Duelist | okay, is it worth buying? |
| 12:30.50 | jm_ | of course, but it doesn't come cheap |
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| 12:31.44 | Duelist | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 12:32.40 | stumbles | jm_: oh right. hadn't come across that before - printing had always previously "just worked" |
| 12:32.48 | stumbles | jm_: on other debian machines |
| 12:33.24 | jm_ | it looks I have again lost all the history in firefox when quiting it :( |
| 12:33.36 | jm_ | stumbles: is it set to lp? |
| 12:33.43 | possie | anyone know a good lightweight rtf viewer/ |
| 12:34.01 | jm_ | ted, but it's far from good |
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| 12:34.21 | jm_ | so yes, someone knows it |
| 12:34.25 | possie | okee :-) |
| 12:34.25 | stumbles | jm_: the command was blank. if i set it to lp, do i need a filename variable? |
| 12:34.26 | jm_ | ohh wait, maybe not ;P |
| 12:34.34 | jm_ | stumbles: no, just use lp |
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| 12:34.39 | possie | jm_, at first it hougth you where talking against ted :) |
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| 12:34.48 | jm_ | possie: I am, I deinstalled it |
| 12:34.52 | loiugs2 | how can i remove a soft link? |
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| 12:35.14 | jm_ | I missed the "good" bit you asked about |
| 12:35.20 | Teufel | when partitioning a swap area, do you want it to have the bootable flag? I don't remember |
| 12:35.37 | streuner | no |
| 12:35.54 | jm_ | you don't need bootable flag for anything - except on some new BIOS-es which are too stupid and refuse to boot if it's not set |
| 12:36.12 | jm_ | and maybe default M$ boot loader |
| 12:36.15 | streuner | Teufel: are you aware what 'Teufel' means in english? :-) |
| 12:36.30 | Teufel | not in english, but in german yes ;) |
| 12:36.54 | stumbles | jm_: still no printer action in OO after setting command to lp and restarting OO |
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| 12:37.10 | streuner | Teufel=devil |
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| 12:37.35 | Teufel | in german, not english lol |
| 12:37.44 | Guerin | 666 was already registered with nickserv |
| 12:37.48 | Teufel | what does swap partition do again? isn't it kind of like an add-on to ram or something? |
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| 12:37.57 | Guerin | everything sounds more evil in german, anyway |
| 12:38.01 | Guerin | look at rammstein |
| 12:38.21 | Guerin | if they'd performed in english people wouldn't think they were nearly so evil |
| 12:38.21 | Teufel | hehe good point |
| 12:38.27 | jm_ | stumbles: I would try to debug this with something simpler, maybe gedit - strace should show what it does |
| 12:38.38 | Teufel | german = angry, russian = h0t! |
| 12:38.49 | Guerin | "Marry me! Marr-marr-marr-marry me!" |
| 12:38.57 | Guerin | doesn't quite have the same ring |
| 12:39.17 | streuner | most people get the infos via eyes, so doesn't care about what you 'hear' too much ;-) |
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| 12:39.39 | jm_ | hmm I'll try deinstalling all extensions to see if any of them is responsible for history shit |
| 12:40.38 | streuner | Guerin: be glad you don't unterstand too much about the lyrics ... ;-) |
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| 12:42.08 | Guerin | streuner: I did actually study german through high school, and can understand a fair bit ... i just think rammstein are naff, and so haven't listened much to them. |
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| 12:43.04 | Techdeck | hello, I'm getting: Failed to fetch http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden <- while running apt-get update, that server can use port 80 just fine on anything else, and I tried several mirrors and nothing works, any thoughts? |
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| 12:43.27 | streuner | Techdeck: using a proxy? |
| 12:43.45 | Techdeck | streuner, nope |
| 12:44.01 | Techdeck | but thats a good idea, maybe I _could_ use a proxy to bypass it.. |
| 12:44.05 | Techdeck | how do you make apt use a proxy? |
| 12:44.05 | jm_ | WFM |
| 12:44.11 | jm_ | man apt.conf |
| 12:44.19 | Techdeck | thanks |
| 12:44.27 | jm_ | it also honours env vars |
| 12:44.39 | jm_ | at least I think it does ;) |
| 12:45.14 | Techdeck | thanks jm_, that w as it :) |
| 12:45.25 | SlayerXP | jm_: see also IWFM (AI_W_LTWTYDWIDK) |
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| 12:45.47 | JediMaster | hey guys |
| 12:46.03 | JediMaster | quick question, does anyone know what defines a default vhost in apache2? |
| 12:46.13 | SlayerXP | JediMaster: yes, someone know. |
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| 12:46.19 | onyx | hi |
| 12:46.19 | SlayerXP | knows |
| 12:46.23 | JediMaster | SlayerXP: that's helpful |
| 12:46.23 | onyx | is posible to install netbsd on this machine? http://cgi.ebay.com/SGI-Origin-300-4x500MHz-R14000_W0QQitemZ5837707185QQcategoryZ11223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:46.28 | Guerin | JediMaster: the people who wrote the apache doc know |
| 12:46.29 | SlayerXP | JediMaster: my pleasure. |
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| 12:46.37 | Guerin | JediMaster: httpd.apache.org |
| 12:46.42 | fireba11 | onyx: this isn't #netbsd |
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| 12:46.48 | SlayerXP | onyx: you joined #debian by mistake |
| 12:46.49 | aLeSD | hi all |
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| 12:47.01 | aLeSD | how could I install gnome with apt-get? |
| 12:47.02 | JediMaster | Guerin: apache.org is down |
| 12:47.03 | jm_ | JediMaster: he answered your question, I classify that as being helpful |
| 12:47.05 | onyx | :O |
| 12:47.07 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 12:47.21 | jm_ | Debian's apache docs packages to the rescue |
| 12:47.27 | onyx | i mean debian |
| 12:47.39 | Guerin | haha, the irony |
| 12:47.53 | vega- | onyx: http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ |
| 12:47.54 | onyx | cause is not bsd suported |
| 12:48.03 | onyx | ok |
| 12:48.06 | Guerin | almost as funny as w2ksp4 breaking windows update |
| 12:48.12 | JediMaster | ok, for the silly nit-picky anal people =).... what defines a default vhost entry in apache2? |
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| 12:48.31 | Guerin | JediMaster: aptitude install apache2-doc |
| 12:49.00 | Guerin | JediMaster: no, really |
| 12:49.14 | Guerin | it might even be documented in the default config file |
| 12:49.15 | ac3 | how can i force the use of good passwords? I use pam cracklib, it only warns when the password is to short, but still accept it (for the root user) |
| 12:49.25 | Teufel | should I partition my root drive to have NTFS or FAT 32 or FAT 64? what is the idfference? |
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| 12:49.30 | JediMaster | I will take a look then |
| 12:49.55 | secher | Teufel: you're kidding, right? |
| 12:49.58 | vega- | Teufel: why use any of them? are you planning to install windows? |
| 12:50.04 | JediMaster | but if anyone actually knows, please tell me, it's fairly urgent, thanks =) |
| 12:50.14 | positron | when i type "mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.14.3 2.6.14.3" at /boot/ why the image doesent appear to /boot/ ?? |
| 12:50.47 | fireba11 | JediMaster: it's been a while since i did manualy wrestle in httpd.conf |
| 12:50.55 | Teufel | secher, vega-, lol I guess I am kidding... no I'm installing debian, but it's asking me how I want to use the partition, and that I need to pick a partition for root, but root isn't an option |
| 12:50.59 | crashbg | which one is better for simple pop3 mail fetch: fetchmail or getmail? |
| 12:51.16 | dimir | positron: use -k switch and see what's in /tmp/mkinird* |
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| 12:51.22 | antgel | JediMaster: perhaps i can explain. you give no indication that you've read the docs etc, hence nobody is motivated to help |
| 12:51.45 | jm_ | crashbg: that entirely depends on your needs, getmail is simpler to configure |
| 12:51.47 | vega- | Teufel: what? lost me there.. use ext3/xfs/reiserfs or whatever? |
| 12:51.49 | secher | Teufel: are you planning on a dual boot, or a pure Debian install? |
| 12:52.02 | JediMaster | antgel: I've spent the last hour googling and looking in manual pages |
| 12:52.08 | bibe | crashbg : I use fetchmail with 6 pop accounts, no problems during the configuratio |
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| 12:52.21 | antgel | what is it with google that people think it's documentation? |
| 12:52.30 | Teufel | secher, pure boot, but I do have a 500mb swap partition.. when I go to write the tables, it just says I need to have a root partition defined |
| 12:52.42 | jm_ | of course you do |
| 12:52.50 | positron | dimir: theres a lot of stuff |
| 12:52.52 | JediMaster | antgel: because google often gets you to the right answer faster when the documentation doesn't help |
| 12:53.04 | dimir | positron: and the image should be there as well |
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| 12:53.38 | dimir | positron: I've seen sometimes it not creating the image, then I just used '-k' and took it from there. |
| 12:53.47 | positron | dimir: why it doesent appear normallY? |
| 12:53.51 | jsz | how do I create a user with ftp access only? |
| 12:53.59 | jsz | so they can't ssh |
| 12:54.00 | dimir | positron: beats me. |
| 12:54.26 | JediMaster | antgel: trouble is the word "default" appears a hell of a lot in the documentation, and not in the context I'm looking for |
| 12:54.26 | dbron | jsz: change the shell in /etc/passwd to /bin/false |
| 12:54.33 | positron | dimir: k thx |
| 12:54.45 | jm_ | you can specify which users are denied access in sshd config file or give them a shell that's not very useful |
| 12:54.53 | dimir | positron: np |
| 12:54.54 | antgel | JediMaster: btw, your question didn't make sense to me |
| 12:55.00 | antgel | !wayttd JediMaster |
| 12:55.00 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, JediMaster? |
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| 12:55.23 | kneet | JediMaster, are you simply asking "What virtual host will be served as default if no host header is sent" ? |
| 12:55.26 | JediMaster | antgel: two vhosts... second one needs to be the default if the first one doesn't match |
| 12:55.26 | positron | how do i determine what is my root device? |
| 12:55.47 | fireba11 | df -h for example |
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| 12:56.00 | dimir | positron: root device? |
| 12:56.16 | dimir | positron: oh, for mkinird |
| 12:56.31 | JediMaster | kneet / antgel: http://pastebin.com/452351 |
| 12:56.50 | positron | dimir: after i compiled my kernel it said that your root device is (3,2). whats that mean? my root is on hda2 |
| 12:57.05 | jm_ | positron: device number, read devices.txt |
| 12:57.07 | dimir | positron: if it's set to 'probe' in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf it will attempt to guess it automatically. |
| 12:57.15 | jm_ | or look in dev and match it yourself |
| 12:57.18 | JediMaster | kneet / antgel: at the moment, not matter what I try and do, it always goes to the first vhost, even if it doesn't match the servername/alias |
| 12:57.23 | kneet | JediMaster, Ah - you have your virtual hosts in one file? I only know the way debian uses the sites-available/sites-enabled directories |
| 12:57.37 | antgel | kneet: doesn't matter |
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| 12:57.44 | JediMaster | kneet: yes, just as a test, as it was doing it in separate files too |
| 12:57.58 | kneet | have you read thru http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/207 ? |
| 12:58.07 | kneet | antgel - may not - but with the directories - filenames matter |
| 12:58.17 | antgel | JediMaster: are there any odd messages when you start apache, in the logs? |
| 12:58.36 | secher | Teufel: you still here? |
| 12:58.55 | dimir | positron: but the 3,2 - are the major and minor numbers of the device - the only way kernel recognizes it. |
| 12:58.56 | Teufel | secher: yep whats up? |
| 12:59.03 | c_k | Hi guys , I am running proftpd, it works fine with user accounts on the box however I am wanting to use a password file rather and use the ftpasswd command to generate the details, I am aware that you need to add the AuthUserFile directive within the proftpd.confg file, however once this is done I am still getting invalid password, any ideas? |
| 12:59.07 | JediMaster | antgel: none at all |
| 12:59.16 | kneet | antgel, and on top of that I've not worked with server names with wildcards before |
| 12:59.17 | positron | is System.map needed? |
| 12:59.23 | dimir | positron: see ls -l /dev/hda2 for numbers 3 and 2. |
| 12:59.25 | positron | and how do i create it? |
| 12:59.28 | JediMaster | 'When using virtual hosts, the default site has to be the first one Apache "sees"' |
| 12:59.35 | JediMaster | from someone's message there |
| 12:59.38 | antgel | kneet: i don't even know if you can do that, that's the point |
| 12:59.38 | jm_ | System.map is created when you build your kernel |
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| 12:59.43 | dimir | create what? |
| 12:59.45 | JediMaster | that would mean it's impossible to do what I want then? |
| 12:59.49 | Teufel | secher: whats up? |
| 12:59.57 | secher | Teufel: Ok, I dont' have much time, I'm getting ready for work, but: there's a tool called fdisk, it's simple but ugly. I think it's available if you execute a shell from the Debian installer. |
| 13:00.08 | antgel | JediMaster: indeed. if it's not in the manual, try /j #apache |
| 13:00.11 | positron | dimir: theres System.map file for my old kernel but not for the new one |
| 13:00.24 | JediMaster | antgel: I already have, nobody knows who is awake |
| 13:00.28 | Haukkari | uh... what is System.map? I've never ever used it for anything... |
| 13:01.13 | secher | Teufel: read the man page and run fdisk, partition your drive with a 25Meg partition, and another for the rest of the drive called /. |
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| 13:01.21 | antgel | JediMaster: then you'll have to keep digging or pay for support |
| 13:01.26 | Teufel | secher: so I could just boot with my knoppix cd and use fdisk? I'll look into it, thanks |
| 13:01.30 | jm_ | it's a file with kernel symbols and their location |
| 13:02.05 | secher | mark the second partiton as bootable within fdisk, and when back in the Debian installer, select the small partition as /boot, and the larger as / |
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| 13:02.45 | positron | jm_: do i need it? i dont have it for the new kernel |
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| 13:03.07 | Tomek | hi |
| 13:03.19 | JediMaster | antgel: the docs keep talking about a _default_ vhost, but no examples anywhere |
| 13:03.38 | secher | Teufel: Oh, one more thing, in fdisk, mark the larger parition as bootable, and somethign I forgot: make a third swap partition for swap, prolly 512 megs is enough, and change it's type with t and set it to 82 (iirc) |
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| 13:04.02 | Teufel | secher: thanks, wrote it down, will mess aroudn with it |
| 13:04.35 | secher | Teufel: I'll be back this evening (EST). |
| 13:04.35 | kneet | JediMaster, The default vhost is the first vhost apache sees. This means that - in the default config that apache2 installs under debian - the sites-enabled/000default symlink to sites-available/default is the first (since it's alphabetically earlier). But the question that antgel and I have is - does ServerName support wildcards - I have no idea and at the moment httpd.apache.org isn't responding from here |
| 13:04.37 | secher | Peace all. |
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| 13:04.51 | jm_ | positron: yes you do - and it's worth having it |
| 13:04.53 | Teufel | nightzors sech |
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| 13:05.07 | syphox | heya... what package to i need to "apt-get" for the adduser bin? |
| 13:05.07 | positron | jm_: i dont have it. how do i create it? |
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| 13:05.09 | jm_ | positron: it's created it in the dir you built your kernel, so you simply copy it to /boot |
| 13:05.28 | kneet | JediMaster, and whatever host is default is the one used if _no_ match is made on hostname - so the default host often doesn't have a ServerName field supplied |
| 13:05.28 | syphox | it's missing from /usr/sbin/adduser and i need to reinstall the package, but i don't know the name of it.. anyone? |
| 13:05.53 | _gass_ | i am making a personal package for debian and this came up after building |
| 13:05.54 | _gass_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.54 | _gass_ | dpkg-genchanges: warning: missing Priority for binary package compadre-hotspot; using '-' |
| 13:05.54 | _gass_ | dpkg-genchanges: warning: missing Priority for binary package compadre-hotspot all; using '-' |
| 13:05.54 | _gass_ | dpkg-genchanges: warning: missing Priority for source files |
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| 13:06.06 | _gass_ | sorry the flood |
| 13:06.07 | _gass_ | forgot |
| 13:06.15 | positron | jm_: k thx |
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| 13:11.52 | positron | cool my kernel works now. but a very strange thing happened. when in X and trying to drag windows, it wont drag vertically at all. and my mouse is like the first mouse button would be pressed down. one mouse click opens two terminals for eg. |
| 13:12.02 | positron | does anyone have a clue? |
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| 13:12.39 | mumhero | never seen that |
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| 13:13.20 | syphox | heya... what package to i need to "apt-get" for the adduser bin? |
| 13:13.47 | caphuso | syphox: adduser |
| 13:14.14 | syphox | ok. thanks, how do i remove a package? |
| 13:14.18 | syphox | apt-get remove? |
| 13:14.47 | stumbles | jm_: i have the cups log (debug level) from one of the programs ignoring the print jobs - appears to be a ghostscript problem. Would you be able to take a look if I paste it into #flood? |
| 13:14.57 | syphox | bcuz it says adduser is already installed... but the bin is missing.. so i need to reinstall the package |
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| 13:15.13 | caphuso | syphox: man adduser |
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| 13:15.28 | caphuso | syphox: damn, man apt-get |
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| 13:15.35 | syphox | oki |
| 13:15.41 | syphox | ty |
| 13:16.30 | jm_ | stumbles: I doubt, I have a postscript printer so I don't need any fancy filters |
| 13:16.52 | syphox | hmm |
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| 13:17.08 | jm_ | stumbles: put it one some paste site |
| 13:17.40 | Skiver | hi |
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| 13:17.59 | Skiver | when i /etc/init,d/apache2 restart |
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| 13:18.02 | syphox | apt-get --force-yes install adduser |
| 13:18.05 | syphox | doesn't work |
| 13:18.18 | Skiver | it shows grep: /etc/apache2/conf.d/[^.#]*: No such file or directory |
| 13:18.24 | Skiver | why is that ? |
| 13:18.32 | stumbles | jm_: heh yeah wish it was postscript ;) |
| 13:18.43 | syphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.34 | syphox | :D |
| 13:19.34 | syphox | thanks |
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| 13:20.56 | syphox | hm lol |
| 13:21.01 | syphox | how do i install "useradd" ? |
| 13:21.03 | ArtVandalae | I just realised I left a stream ripping, and I ran out of HDD space! :( But it was still saving, so I'm afraid. Where was it getting the space from? |
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| 13:21.38 | S4nD3r | snif |
| 13:21.45 | S4nD3r | I didnt get to install kde3.4 |
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| 13:22.15 | S4nD3r | deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ I put this one in sources.list... did not installed the kde3.4 |
| 13:23.38 | pi-meson | so, do I want udev or not? |
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| 13:24.52 | takatumi | you don't need it, do you want it? |
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| 13:25.47 | pi-meson | Well, okay, so I've now managed to wedge myself into a corner here, alas. It looks like gnome-desktop-environment depends on gnome-volume-manager which depends on hal which depends on udef |
| 13:25.51 | pi-meson | erm, "udev" |
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| 13:26.17 | pi-meson | this all started due to a late night wasnt-thinking apt-get upgrade that somehow ate my hotplug install, breaking wireless, breaking... well, everything |
| 13:27.36 | pi-meson | well, screw it, i'll just take the plunge to unstable |
| 13:28.04 | JediMaster | antgel / kneet: fixed it, I managed to figure it out, it's just... wrong... apache takes the first vhost it sees as the default one... so I tried putting the wildcard one first... oddly enough, this fixed it, apache looks at the default, ignores it to start with, then goes through the rest of the vhosts until it finds a matching one, if it doesn't find one it goes back to the one at the top, the default one. Logically you would think that it would j |
| 13:28.11 | S4nD3r | Theres a kind of kubuntu ??? |
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| 13:29.05 | takatumi | pi-meson: what makes you think that is a solution? you could remove gnome-volume-manager, udev and install hotplug or tweak your system to work with udev. |
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| 13:29.28 | S4nD3r | do you recommend to install kubuntu to update my kde ?? |
| 13:29.32 | S4nD3r | Id like to use kde3.5 |
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| 13:30.14 | pi-meson | takatumi: because from time to time debian does a nice job of having testing just "not work" |
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| 13:30.44 | pi-meson | right, when i try and remove gnome-volume-manager it tries to take away all of gnome |
| 13:30.47 | Bogaurd | is there anyway to ping a host with a timeout of less than 1 second? 1 second seems to be the minimum that can be specified for ping. |
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| 13:31.12 | syphox | Can't exec "/usr/sbin/useradd": No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/adduser line 892. |
| 13:31.12 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: what are you trying to do ?? |
| 13:31.14 | valdyn | pi-meson: nonsense |
| 13:31.17 | syphox | how can i install useradd ? |
| 13:31.27 | valdyn | pi-meson: g-v-l just removes the metapackage 'gnome' |
| 13:31.33 | fireba11 | syphox: how you managed to uninstall it ? |
| 13:31.40 | syphox | someone has rm'd the bin |
| 13:31.41 | syphox | thats all |
| 13:31.42 | S4nD3r | Hello... |
| 13:31.50 | pi-meson | oh, just removes "gnome", i see. That obviously doesn't sound important or anything |
| 13:31.58 | valdyn | pi-meson: nope |
| 13:32.05 | syphox | so i need to reinstall.. but i dont know what package it's from? |
| 13:32.08 | S4nD3r | Do you know something to install kde3.5 in my sarge 3.1 ??? Or, to install kubuntu ???? |
| 13:32.10 | fireba11 | syphox: ouch... make sure to hurt him :-) |
| 13:32.12 | S4nD3r | Is it possible ? |
| 13:32.17 | Bogaurd | fireba11: i have a php script which pings a few hosts... they are all lan hosts, and have pings less than 1ms, - but if say 20 are offline, it takes a loooong time for 20 hosts to timeout :) |
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| 13:32.34 | syphox | fireba11: what package do i need to reinstall? |
| 13:32.34 | valdyn | pi-meson: the package 'gnome' is a package that contaisn nothing at all, and depends on alot of things, removing one of those things removes 'gnome' |
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| 13:33.03 | pi-meson | valdyn: the next time I try and install a gnome piece of software, is it going to want the gnome metapackage? |
| 13:33.09 | pi-meson | so I guess the question is, if gnome wants udev, do I want udev? |
| 13:33.19 | valdyn | pi-meson: nope |
| 13:33.20 | jm_ | pi-meson: you have no choice :) |
| 13:33.29 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: hm .. why are you using a php script in the first place ? if you got 20 host a nagios installation would be helpful ... php isn't the right tool for keeping track of hosts |
| 13:33.45 | valdyn | pi-meson: no piece of software depend on 'gnome', it is only a metapackage |
| 13:33.55 | Bogaurd | fireba11: i'm not saying it is - i need it for a stats page. |
| 13:34.05 | pi-meson | jm_ : well, that's the thing, I feel like all these packages are pushing udev on me, and everyone I talk to says "udev sucks!!!" but then poof, it keeps appearing |
| 13:34.10 | fireba11 | syphox: don't know .. can't you just replace the binary ? |
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| 13:34.18 | subroot | hello all |
| 13:34.23 | pi-meson | and then wireless won't work, and I have to spend the next hour in the small corner of my office near the only free cat5 |
| 13:34.40 | valdyn | pi-meson: why dont you just use stable? |
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| 13:35.00 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: nagios got a nice webinterface with status display .. and you could read the status files if you need to put it into a webpage .. also it can do much more than just ping host .. |
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| 13:35.32 | pi-meson | valdyn: that's a good question, one I'm asking myself more and more each day. I think it had something to do with wanting bleeding-edge boost or something like that. |
| 13:35.42 | subroot | i'm very new to debian, and am trying to install gnome. i noticed the unstable tree doesn't have gnome 2.12 yet |
| 13:35.54 | valdyn | subroot: use stable if you are new |
| 13:36.31 | subroot | well i'm pretty linux savy already valdyn |
| 13:36.39 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: also if you really want to make something yourself, just write a script that checks every couple minutes and wites to a database and use your php to display whats in there so you don't have to wait for the check everytime you display your website |
| 13:36.57 | pi-meson | subroot: dude, I've been using debian for three years now, and going back to stable because I'm tired of things breaking :) you really don't want unstable |
| 13:37.00 | Bogaurd | fireba11: yeah that was the other option |
| 13:37.06 | Bogaurd | fireba11: i may do that :) |
| 13:37.06 | S4nD3r | Which version may I install in sarge 3.1 ?? Only kde3.3? |
| 13:37.26 | dbron | subroot: if you are linux saavy, you will understand the unstable is well, unstable |
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| 13:37.39 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: i don't know what you want to do exactly so my tips could be a bit off :-) |
| 13:37.51 | subroot | heheh okay okay |
| 13:37.53 | Bogaurd | fireba11: not a worry |
| 13:38.00 | pi-meson | Is udev the new way things will be done from now on? Should I just eat the stick and figure out how to make it work? |
| 13:38.16 | syphox | coped it over, thanks fireba11 |
| 13:38.18 | syphox | worked :D |
| 13:38.19 | Bogaurd | fireba11: nagio isnt exactly what i'm looking for, but i'll have a fiddle with it some other time :) |
| 13:38.20 | syphox | copied* |
| 13:38.21 | subroot | i guess i was just trained the gentoo way... |
| 13:38.32 | valdyn | pi-meson: you only need it if you want to use gnome-volume-manager |
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| 13:39.06 | takatumi | pi-meson: I just went through the same loop the day before, removing gnome-volume-manager worked quite well. (on unstable though) so *shrug*. |
| 13:39.11 | valdyn | pi-meson: and sure a few other packages ( that you might not need either ) |
| 13:39.22 | S4nD3r | ow.. |
| 13:39.31 | S4nD3r | I will need to download every .deb file ?? |
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| 13:39.34 | valdyn | pi-meson: i do find udev very convenient though |
| 13:40.16 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: i use it to monitor my servers .. ping and test services ... really usefull. i will notice if f.ex. http isn't working even if the host can be pinged ... |
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| 13:40.21 | pi-meson | valdyn: why is that? and why do people warn me away from it? |
| 13:40.25 | takatumi | pi-meson: and I've been using udev for the past year without any troubles either, so the choice is all yours. |
| 13:40.40 | xam | pi-meson: udev *was* the new thing, the *new* new thing is (the extended) hotplug again |
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| 13:40.56 | valdyn | pi-meson: for every new thing there is plenty people supporting it for no reason ( b/c its new ), and plenty people telling you it sucks ( because everything, even new things have bugs ) |
| 13:40.58 | S4nD3r | snif |
| 13:40.59 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to install kde 3.5 |
| 13:41.01 | antgel | !tell subroot about releases |
| 13:41.07 | cahoot | valdyn: looks like the management of usb devices like scanners will presume udev |
| 13:41.08 | antgel | !tell S4nD3r about kde3.5 |
| 13:41.10 | Bogaurd | fireba11: yeah - i use something similar, a home grown solution though :) |
| 13:41.40 | antgel | subroot: why did you choose debian? |
| 13:42.00 | valdyn | cahoot: in etch/unstable i think so yea, but just b/c udev and hotplug just got integrated into one |
| 13:42.16 | valdyn | cahoot: not sure about sarge |
| 13:42.34 | valdyn | cahoot: now udev doesnt work w/ 2.4 but scanners do ) |
| 13:42.35 | cahoot | valdyn: no - was thinkibng of the future |
| 13:43.05 | valdyn | cahoot: yea, probably |
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| 13:44.46 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: could be better for your needs .. nagois is desinged for 20+ boxes and multiple admins :-D |
| 13:44.46 | fireba11 | it's a bit overkill if you just got 5boxes and are the only admin |
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| 13:45.11 | Bogaurd | fireba11: yeah :) |
| 13:45.31 | subroot | antgel, sounded like a great distro, and certainly seems to be, i like the huge package lists, and dpkg. also everything is very stable compared to gentoo |
| 13:45.57 | takatumi | subroot: enjoy. |
| 13:45.58 | LSorensen | subroot: and think of all the time you save. :) |
| 13:46.05 | jm_ | pi-meson: I know, but such is life - I am currently managing without it since I don't use GNOME |
| 13:46.10 | subroot | LSorensen, haha yes! |
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| 13:46.44 | pi-meson | jm_: I don't use the desktop environment but I develop a lot of in-house software for it, and use the apps |
| 13:46.51 | UltraSub | i hope someone is able to help me out here...... I had an exim 3 config in combination with courier-imap running, and now i installed Kerio Mailserver. Everything works ok, but how do i get debian to understand that the mail cmd shouldn't send mail to exim, but to kerio (which is handling smtp on 25 now)? |
| 13:46.56 | sputnick | hi there! |
| 13:46.59 | pi-meson | is there someplace I could read about hotplug vs udev vs devfs in more detail? |
| 13:47.04 | UltraSub | can't use smarthost, because they're on the same system |
| 13:47.04 | jm_ | pi-meson: that's my problem too - too many useful apps that depend on KDE or GNOME |
| 13:47.42 | valdyn | UltraSub: why do you have two mta at once? |
| 13:47.45 | fireba11 | UltraSub: as far as i know mail command uses sendmail anyway .. exim jsut got a symlink and a compatible syntax :-) |
| 13:47.58 | jm_ | UltraSub: talk to Kerio people and ask them to provide you with /usr/lib/sendmail compatibility wrapper |
| 13:47.59 | sputnick | which files to configure IP please for private LAN? |
| 13:48.05 | fireba11 | UltraSub: wait .. you got BOTH MTA running ? |
| 13:48.09 | antgel | subroot: that's great. just understand that you don't get the bleeding-edge :) |
| 13:48.11 | valdyn | UltraSub: and why does your kerio mta not provide its own sendmail command? |
| 13:48.21 | UltraSub | valdyn, that's the question |
| 13:48.28 | fireba11 | valdyn: guess it sucks :-) |
| 13:48.34 | UltraSub | but that's probably what jm_ also says :) |
| 13:48.35 | valdyn | UltraSub: it probably does, but in /usr/local/bin/sendmail ? |
| 13:48.55 | UltraSub | hmm |
| 13:49.21 | UltraSub | lemme check |
| 13:49.22 | subroot | antgel, as you all kindof implied; why have the bleeding edge if all it does is crash |
| 13:49.25 | valdyn | UltraSub: however you still want to fix having 2 mtas at once, which is silly, /msg dpkg equivs, install a virtual 'mail-transport-agent' and remove exim |
| 13:50.05 | antgel | subroot: why have the bleeding edge if all you use is rxvt, emacs, vim, windowmaker? ;) |
| 13:50.15 | pi-meson | hmm, and upgrading ate my cups |
| 13:50.35 | xam | antgel who the hell wants to use emacs? |
| 13:50.42 | subroot | hahaha |
| 13:50.47 | antgel | !start an editor war |
| 13:50.48 | dpkg | xemacs sucks |
| 13:50.54 | tarzeau | xam: me |
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| 13:51.06 | valdyn | pi-meson: you never ever want to run dist-upgrade to etch or sid blindly, it usually works just fine if you 'upgrade' whatever it can and only carefully use dist-upgrade |
| 13:51.10 | antgel | tarzeau: yes, but you only use it to play nethack! |
| 13:51.20 | UltraSub | valdyn: ok, i don't want to run both, im just trying to get alll local mail through kerio :) |
| 13:51.26 | xam | tarzeau: just because there is now a GNUstep port there is no need to actually use it |
| 13:51.30 | tarzeau | antgel: nah, nethack w/o emacs |
| 13:51.33 | UltraSub | valdyn: for some reason it keeps calling exim :) |
| 13:51.37 | valdyn | UltraSub: yep, thats why you need to remove exim |
| 13:51.39 | tarzeau | xam: that's emacs too, http://gnu.ethz.ch/emacs.app.png |
| 13:51.43 | UltraSub | valdyn: viper:/usr/sbin# ll sendmail |
| 13:51.43 | UltraSub | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 21 2004 sendmail -> exim |
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| 13:52.03 | valdyn | UltraSub: but a debian system NEEDS a package providing 'mail-transport-agent' which is why you are supposed to use 'equivs' for that |
| 13:52.06 | tarzeau | xam: no not just 'cause of that besides it existed since long ago: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/emacs.png |
| 13:52.08 | pi-meson | valdyn: blindly? what constitutes blindly? |
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| 13:52.27 | pi-meson | in any case, I've done a nice job getting myself to the "need OS reinstall" point. Time to eat the stick. |
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| 13:52.33 | fireba11 | pi-meson: without doing a dryrun with -s first ? :-) |
| 13:52.34 | UltraSub | valdyn: ok, so i need to remove exim, and get equivs |
| 13:52.35 | valdyn | pi-meson: dist-upgrade will remove packages circumstantially, if you let it remove stuff you need, your fault. |
| 13:52.38 | ma3x | how can I set sbp2_max_speed to 1 or 0? |
| 13:52.40 | ma3x | where is this setting? |
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| 13:52.44 | valdyn | UltraSub: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 13:52.48 | UltraSub | thnx |
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| 13:53.21 | xam | tarzeau: I'm happy with any version of VI anyway |
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| 13:53.40 | pi-meson | when debian tells me "The following packages are BROKEN: hal", I don't think it's my fault |
| 13:53.57 | valdyn | pi-meson: indirectly yes |
| 13:54.16 | pi-meson | god, sorry, I don't mean to be obnoxious here, I just wasn't planning on spending my morning fucking with this stuff. |
| 13:54.20 | antgel | pi-meson: you're not using stable. what do you expect? |
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| 13:54.30 | xam | tarzeau: and I'm using a dvorak layout, that means even trying using emacs would make me break my fingers ;) |
| 13:54.39 | tarzeau | pi-meson: yes it's your fault |
| 13:54.39 | valdyn | pi-meson: ill give you an example i get daily because my arch is always behind compiling new stuff |
| 13:54.40 | stumbles | jm_: fwiw, the print jobs being ignored was a problem with 'testing' gs-esp. Downgrading fixes the problem. |
| 13:54.45 | tarzeau | pi-meson: you don't use stable? your fault! |
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| 13:55.02 | stumbles | xam: emacs on dvorak works for me ;) |
| 13:55.06 | jm_ | stumbles: ahh nice |
| 13:55.32 | ma3x | I have exactly this guy's problem |
| 13:55.37 | valdyn | pi-meson: i get somepackage-common updated, but somepackage depending on that one NOT ugrade, now if you upgraded the somepackage-common package i'd trigger the remove of the main part and end up with 'broken' packages. So.. i wait till both is in sync, then upgrade |
| 13:55.38 | ma3x | http://www.thisishull.net/archive/index.php/t-23208.html\ |
| 13:55.39 | ma3x | how do I solve it? |
| 13:55.47 | xam | stumbles: are you part of the conspiracy? |
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| 13:55.57 | antgel | !start an editor war |
| 13:55.57 | dpkg | vim sucks |
| 13:56.02 | stumbles | xam: of course |
| 13:56.03 | pi-meson | see, this is part of the problem with debian: "oh, we're not behind, just use testing or unstable" followed by "oh, well, it broke, that's because you're not using stable!" |
| 13:56.16 | antgel | pi-meson: crap. who told you the first part? |
| 13:56.21 | DocTomoe | I have a slight problem with debian sarge for setting up an email server. I am using this http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/index.shtml.en#install_packages guide, bit the test described in step 10 does not work out. Pastebin of the corresponfing mail.info logfile is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1232. What might have gone wrong? |
| 13:56.25 | sputnick | which file to configure IP please for private LAN? /etc/... |
| 13:56.40 | antgel | !tell sputnick about interfaces |
| 13:56.57 | tomiq | antgel: jEdit rulezz :))) |
| 13:57.14 | valdyn | pi-meson: its easy to deal with unstable if you know what you are doing, till then its unusable. |
| 13:57.16 | tarzeau | pi-meson: heh, there's an excellent sid faq |
| 13:57.31 | tarzeau | pi-meson: the thing is if you want more than stable, use sid, and don't upgrade blindly daily |
| 13:57.35 | tarzeau | pi-meson: that's all. it's so easy |
| 13:57.40 | antgel | pi-meson: there is no problem with debian. the problem is not understanding debian, and expecting to get the bleeding edge with stability |
| 13:57.43 | tarzeau | i've never had problems that way. for five years |
| 13:57.51 | antgel | !literal start an editor war |
| 13:57.51 | dpkg | "#debian start an editor war" is "<reply> (vim|zile|xemacs|pico|nvi|edlin|joe|ae|nano|emacs|"cat >") (bites|is known to (cause (sexual impotence|birth defects|brain damage|terminal cluelessness)|repel members of the opposite sex|cause ulcers|decrease your lifespan)|users (are (really backwards|clueballs)|can't think straight|need to (get (a life|out more often|laid)))|sucks|blows|doesn't deserve to be in (debian|linux|red hat|BSD)) " |
| 13:58.03 | tarzeau | ah another thing that helped me: never use kde. never use gnome (constantly broken) |
| 13:58.12 | valdyn | tarzeau: just lucky you didnt remove that lg package at the wrong time |
| 13:58.22 | tarzeau | valdyn: i've never installed those. LOL |
| 13:58.34 | tarzeau | antgel: oh it's missing mcedit |
| 13:58.39 | jm_ | or the infamous ifconfig problem, loved that one |
| 13:58.48 | tarzeau | or the awk or sed oen? |
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| 13:59.15 | takatumi | !sed fix |
| 13:59.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, sed fix is fixed with version 4.1.2-4, now in unstable except for hurd-i386 which has 4.1.2-1 |
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| 13:59.34 | antgel | like anyone's using hurd :P |
| 13:59.41 | valdyn | pi-meson: its not so uncommon that someone in this channel really recommends using unstable, he gets flamed quickly usually though |
| 13:59.48 | pi-meson | I'm totally willing to accept that unstable is the very-very-sharp-tool-that-will-cut-you-if-you-lack-clue. I think I've just gotten lucky for the past few years |
| 13:59.48 | Haukkari | Does anyone really use HURD? :) |
| 13:59.52 | jm_ | the beauty of ifconfig thing was that 99% of them were not able to bother us with it :P |
| 14:00.03 | antgel | jm_: bwahaha |
| 14:00.04 | tarzeau | Haukkari: yes check !popcon |
| 14:00.11 | Haukkari | !popcon |
| 14:00.12 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:00.13 | tarzeau | antgel: it's very good |
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| 14:00.52 | antgel | !start a kernel war |
| 14:00.52 | dpkg | winNT is better than linux! |
| 14:01.06 | tarzeau | antgel: hurd is not the kernel, gnu mach is |
| 14:01.12 | pi-meson | whee, somewhere in all of this i lost my cups. |
| 14:01.13 | tarzeau | !hurd |
| 14:01.13 | dpkg | hurd is probably a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://ports.debian.org/ports/hurd for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hug |
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| 14:01.26 | antgel | tarzeau: did somebody hit you with the pedant stick? :P |
| 14:01.36 | tarzeau | no, but plan9 is nice too, so is OPENSTEP |
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| 14:01.51 | valdyn | tarzeau: in that sense linux isnt the kernel either ;) |
| 14:02.03 | tarzeau | valdyn: yes it is |
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| 14:02.21 | antgel | tarzeau: i have a plan9 .iso here. haven't worked out what to do with it yet :) |
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| 14:02.49 | valdyn | tarzeau: debatable |
| 14:02.56 | pi-meson | okay, well, I guess it's time for a reinstall back down to sarge then, and when I remember what it was that got me to upgrade, I'll be sure to come here and ask first |
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| 14:03.09 | ma3x | umount: /media/usb0: device is busy |
| 14:03.11 | ma3x | help |
| 14:03.13 | antgel | pi-meson: it was a cluebie :) |
| 14:03.13 | ma3x | I can't umount it |
| 14:03.15 | ma3x | lsof | grep /media/usb0 shows nothing! |
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| 14:04.00 | braniff | how do i get the main sarge repository's pgp key ?? |
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| 14:04.06 | braniff | for apt |
| 14:04.23 | valdyn | ma3x: try fuser too |
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| 14:04.46 | tuyan | sputnick, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:05.16 | valdyn | braniff: doesnt exist? |
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| 14:05.57 | valdyn | braniff: im not sure if it exists or not, apt sarge's apt doesnt support using it.. |
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| 14:06.15 | braniff | oh ok |
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| 14:07.45 | pureone | ok so im going netinstall again first time i did it with 2.6.8 it just over heated.. the 2.4 kernel doesnt over heat but i can not get on the internet to download the tools i need... |
| 14:07.50 | pureone | doing* |
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| 14:08.32 | pureone | i cant figure out why the network card is not working now and why it was working before |
| 14:08.41 | ma3x | valdyn, how? fuser /dev/sda1 ? |
| 14:08.57 | valdyn | ma3x: fuser /media/usb0 |
| 14:09.09 | ma3x | valdyn, it shows nothing |
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| 14:09.41 | ma3x | valdyn, what if let's say |
| 14:09.51 | ma3x | I have mounted a file from that filesystem to another one |
| 14:09.54 | ma3x | and then I have forgotten |
| 14:10.00 | ma3x | then how do I find out? |
| 14:10.04 | ma3x | this time I remembered |
| 14:10.11 | ma3x | but in case, I can't remember how do I find out |
| 14:10.38 | valdyn | ma3x: df -a |
| 14:10.49 | PerfDave | pureone: Because your network card is supported by 2.6 but not 2.4? |
| 14:11.16 | pureone | PerfDave it was working when on the live cd |
| 14:11.28 | pureone | but once i booted into the installed system it no longer works |
| 14:11.34 | chino2 | how do i add contrib to my sources ? |
| 14:11.35 | ma3x | valdyn, you using skype? |
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| 14:11.47 | valdyn | ma3x: no |
| 14:12.03 | DocTomoe | chino2: put the rep into your /etc/apt/sources.list, do an apt-get update |
| 14:12.05 | PerfDave | pureone: Live CD? Are you using Ubuntu? |
| 14:12.14 | takatumi | chino2: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 14:12.14 | antgel | PerfDave: GOOD SPOT! |
| 14:12.15 | valdyn | chino2: deb ftp://blah.debian.org/debian main contib non-free |
| 14:12.15 | pureone | no. |
| 14:12.17 | chino2 | DocTomoe: yes but the first part i dont understand |
| 14:12.27 | pureone | the netinstall disc is a live cd is it not? |
| 14:12.35 | antgel | chino2: man sources.list |
| 14:12.37 | PerfDave | pureone: Knoppix? Kanotix? Kurumin? Pebble? |
| 14:12.41 | antgel | pureone: it is not |
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| 14:12.50 | pureone | then what makes a live cd.. |
| 14:12.55 | PerfDave | Gosh, I had to think hard to find a Debian-derivative that didn't begin with a K *g* |
| 14:13.13 | pureone | either way im using the sarge netinstall cd |
| 14:13.14 | takatumi | PerfDave: whoppix |
| 14:13.24 | tarzeau | PerfDave: livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 14:13.35 | PerfDave | pureone: A live CD is one that boots into a fully-working system like you'd expect from an installed system, only slower *g* |
| 14:13.44 | Haukkari | Setting up udev (0.076-4) ... |
| 14:13.44 | Haukkari | Cannot start udevd. (rc=3) |
| 14:13.45 | Haukkari | ... |
| 14:13.47 | Haukkari | help? :) |
| 14:13.53 | Haukkari | apt-get upgrade (udev) |
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| 14:14.15 | takatumi | oh, it's whax now. |
| 14:14.28 | antgel | Haukkari: /msg dpkg enter. what release of debian? what do the logs say? |
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| 14:14.49 | PerfDave | pureone: So the netinstall CD can access the Internet (how do you know this?) but the installed system can't? |
| 14:14.51 | pureone | i dont see why a very minimal cd cant be seen as a live cd.. |
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| 14:15.26 | UltraSub | valdyn: thnx for the tip about the virtual mta |
| 14:15.32 | takatumi | pureone: load the right module, your overheating problem could be acpi related, dmesg may give clues. |
| 14:15.32 | pureone | PerfDave because i managed to use nc to connect to one of the computers in my lan with out the error "no route to host" |
| 14:15.33 | PerfDave | pureone: I didn't say that it couldn't, if you like minimal installed systems. But the Debian netinstall CD is only really useful for installing Debian, it's not really possible to use it for anything else. |
| 14:15.34 | UltraSub | installed nullmailer, and now everything works :) |
| 14:15.58 | PerfDave | pureone: While booting the netinstall CD? How did you get to a prompt? |
| 14:16.08 | jm_ | ehh? alt-f2 ... |
| 14:16.14 | pureone | yeah.. |
| 14:16.19 | pureone | as jm_ said |
| 14:16.25 | chino2 | im getting all errors |
| 14:16.38 | chino2 | deb ftp://82.103.143.252/dists stable main contrib non-free |
| 14:16.40 | PerfDave | I didn't know that the netinstall CD came with nc. Are you sure you're installing Debian? |
| 14:16.41 | chino2 | is that right ? |
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| 14:16.52 | PerfDave | chino2: run apt-setup as root? |
| 14:16.56 | pureone | PerfDave no its gentoo! |
| 14:16.58 | Haukkari | antgel: unstable... |
| 14:16.59 | chino2 | yea what about it ? |
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| 14:17.04 | pureone | of course im sure im installing debian! |
| 14:17.05 | PerfDave | pureone: #gentoo |
| 14:17.07 | Haukkari | antgel: and it won't restart the cupsd because I'm not in single user mode... |
| 14:17.10 | Haukkari | antgel: I think. |
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| 14:17.16 | pureone | PerfDave it was a joke... |
| 14:17.36 | pureone | im pretty sure what im installing... |
| 14:17.47 | pureone | i download the cd image from debian.org |
| 14:17.52 | pureone | it says debian when i boot it |
| 14:18.11 | pureone | im pretty sure i know what im installing* |
| 14:18.59 | jm_ | pureone: well why don't you try to figure out the problem then? |
| 14:19.26 | Guerin | jm_: too obvious |
| 14:19.30 | PerfDave | pureone: Well, if you're going to be like that about it, then I don't see why I should help you, sorry. |
| 14:19.37 | Guerin | wouldn't be able to whine if it was all fixed |
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| 14:19.44 | pureone | right. |
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| 14:20.38 | PerfDave | pureone: So in what way does your network "not work" when you boot into the installed system? |
| 14:21.01 | pureone | i can not connect to anything |
| 14:21.30 | pureone | ping 192.168.2.1 says "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 14:21.41 | pureone | the network devices are up |
| 14:21.44 | PerfDave | pureone: OK, let's start from the start. Is your network interface recognised by the kernel? "ifconfig -a" will list all recognised interfaces. |
| 14:21.57 | braniff | # ifconfig eth0 up |
| 14:21.58 | ejos | yes |
| 14:22.03 | braniff | # dhclient eth0 |
| 14:22.03 | jm_ | you really lack the very basic diagnostic steps |
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| 14:22.18 | pureone | PerfDave eth0 is up and has the correct ip address |
| 14:22.25 | ejos | yes |
| 14:22.27 | pureone | route has the correct gateway |
| 14:22.36 | pureone | /etc/resolv.conf has the right dns server |
| 14:22.44 | PerfDave | pureone: You're jumping *way* ahead of yourself there. |
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| 14:23.04 | pureone | ifconfig -a shows 3 devices |
| 14:23.10 | pureone | eth0 eth1 lo |
| 14:23.10 | PerfDave | pureone: Which are? |
| 14:23.12 | PerfDave | OK |
| 14:23.21 | ejos | yes, the problem is that every day my ip change, when the interfaces said static |
| 14:23.22 | jm_ | with proper link status? |
| 14:23.39 | pureone | jm_ what do you mean? |
| 14:23.40 | PerfDave | pureone: What network cards do you have in your machine? lspci should show them. |
| 14:23.59 | fireba11 | anyone know a way to debug DNS resolution ? e.g. a command that tries to access DNS and gives verbose status ? |
| 14:24.07 | pureone | eth0 = Broadcom BCM4306 |
| 14:24.15 | pureone | er ignore that |
| 14:24.15 | jm_ | pureone: do your NIC-s have link status LED-s? |
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| 14:24.19 | pureone | wrong device |
| 14:24.19 | fireba11 | got a box here where DNS doesn't work and am trying to find out where the problem is |
| 14:24.24 | Kontrabass | hey |
| 14:24.25 | Haukkari | hhmmh... yeah.. udev won't start.. great |
| 14:24.28 | stew | fireba11: host hostname |
| 14:24.34 | ejos | i have in /etc/network/interfaces: iface eth0 inet static |
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| 14:24.40 | pureone | BCM4401 is eth0 |
| 14:24.51 | pureone | jm_ no the led is not on |
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| 14:25.17 | PerfDave | Hmm, are Broadcom cards actually supported by Sarge? I thought they involved horrific non-free evil. |
| 14:25.19 | ejos | every day i have do do it /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 14:25.27 | Kontrabass | i have some basic questions about debian |
| 14:25.33 | stew | at least some broadcom cards require firmware |
| 14:25.40 | jm_ | pureone: that might be a problem then |
| 14:25.41 | fireba11 | Kontrabass: just go ahead and ask |
| 14:25.42 | stew | Kontrabass: ask away |
| 14:25.45 | valdyn | ejos: ps aux | grep -i dhclient |
| 14:25.55 | zinx | PerfDave: they're not; there's a driver in the works.. but he's probably using the non-free driver on the router w/ that nic |
| 14:25.56 | abrotman | stew: not that i'm awware .. other than the wifi ones |
| 14:26.07 | stew | abrotman: tg3 does for sure |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | stew: no .. i use it .. it doesn't |
| 14:26.16 | pureone | the BC4401 is eth0 which is a ethernet device |
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| 14:26.25 | PerfDave | zinx: Well, pureone hasn't mentioned anything about firmware or non-free drivers. |
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| 14:26.31 | abrotman | stew: or at least .. i've done nothing with firmware to use it |
| 14:26.37 | stew | hm |
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| 14:26.37 | abrotman | stew: and it does work |
| 14:26.37 | PerfDave | pureone: How do you know which card is on which interface? |
| 14:26.38 | petemc | aol |
| 14:26.38 | zinx | pureone: i've had far better luck with broadcom's 4401 driver than the kernel's |
| 14:26.41 | Kontrabass | i have set up a debian 2.4.27 system this morning, which is supposed to work as fax machine (hylafax) |
| 14:26.42 | fireba11 | stew: just tells me no servers can be reached .. any way to get mroe info ? maybe what server its trying to reach ? is a old VM so i'm not that common with where what setting should be |
| 14:26.46 | ejos | thanks |
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| 14:27.00 | pureone | BCM43 is a wireless device which i will try set up later |
| 14:27.05 | jm_ | fireba11: host -v |
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| 14:27.20 | Kontrabass | there seem to be no avm drivers for 2.4.27 for suse which can be used for my configuration |
| 14:27.22 | jm_ | or -d |
| 14:27.28 | stew | fireba11: its trying to reach the servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 14:27.39 | ejos | yes, i all ready killed; but what happend |
| 14:27.44 | ejos | ¿? |
| 14:27.45 | stew | fireba11: you can also try "nslookup -" |
| 14:27.50 | pureone | PerfDave because eth1 is a orinoco card the wlan card is not detected in ifconfig because i need to use ndiswrapper |
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| 14:27.57 | valdyn | Kontrabass: why do you think so? AVM is a company, not a specific device |
| 14:28.03 | Ungy | Bah the Nintendo ds is a Wireless B device how depressing |
| 14:28.07 | PerfDave | pureone: How do you know which card is on which interface? |
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| 14:28.13 | stew | abrotman: do you not remember that tg3 support was removed from the debian kernel's for a while due to the non-freeness of the firmware? |
| 14:28.16 | zinx | pureone: anyway.. bottom line is, if the link LED isn't on, you don't have a link.. which means one or both sides are down, or the cable is broken/wrong. |
| 14:28.25 | fireba11 | stew: thanks .. will try /etc/resolve.conf got the IP of the firewall where an DNS-cache is running so that should work .. |
| 14:28.36 | Kontrabass | and i found an tutorial to disable isdn4linux by building a new kernel |
| 14:28.53 | abrotman | stew: i'm just saying that i don't do anything with the firmware .. so either it's crippled with no firmware .. or debian is distributing firmware |
| 14:28.54 | pureone | PerfDave process of elemenation |
| 14:28.58 | Kontrabass | (i need the avm drivers for the firtz card pci) |
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| 14:29.17 | valdyn | Kontrabass: those sure are in 2.4.27 |
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| 14:29.33 | PerfDave | Right, I'm going for a shower, I'm not going to beat my head against a brick wall trying to help someone who refuses to answer questions. |
| 14:29.36 | Kontrabass | hmm |
| 14:29.38 | learnfromscratch | how do i write a bootable cd using cdrecord? |
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| 14:29.52 | Kontrabass | how can i find out whether my fritzcard works |
| 14:29.58 | valdyn | learnfromscratch: like any other cd |
| 14:30.02 | Kontrabass | im the total linux newbie :P |
| 14:30.09 | john_doe | what repository is distributing lame? |
| 14:30.10 | Kontrabass | trying to set up a hylafax machine |
| 14:30.12 | jm_ | learnfromscratch: the trick is in using the right switches with mkisofs, cdrecord switches don't matter much |
| 14:30.15 | valdyn | learnfromscratch: cdrecord has nothing to do with makeing a cd bootable |
| 14:30.25 | john_doe | I'm on sarge |
| 14:30.26 | PerfDave | learnfromscratch: From an ISO file. You may prefer to use an application like k3b instead. |
| 14:30.26 | pureone | well i know for sure that the cable is in place because it was working in the netinstall cd |
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| 14:30.50 | jm_ | john_doe: marillat |
| 14:31.03 | john_doe | jm_: But that doesn't respond |
| 14:31.26 | PerfDave | john_doe: Bear in mind that LAME is illegal in many countries (including the US) |
| 14:31.27 | jm_ | john_doe: then get lame sources and build the package yourself (it had debian dir with control files last time I checked0 |
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| 14:31.36 | Kontrabass | valdyn, you think i dont need to update the kernel or modify it to use a fritzcard pci with capi? |
| 14:31.48 | snowgeese | on debian how to i change to dirotory were my file is? |
| 14:31.48 | john_doe | PerfDave: I live in Europe |
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| 14:31.54 | valdyn | Kontrabass: im sure of that |
| 14:32.01 | Kontrabass | oh cool |
| 14:32.18 | PerfDave | john_doe: Congratulations. I hope you petitioned your European Parliament representative to vote against software patenting in the recent kerfuffle ;) |
| 14:32.45 | valdyn | Kontrabass: i have no idea if you can use that as a fax though |
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| 14:32.57 | john_doe | PerfDave: you can count on that |
| 14:33.11 | Kontrabass | fritzcard pci, its possible using capi4hylafax |
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| 14:35.13 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:35.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 14:35.37 | Kontrabass | valdyn, on installing frith drivers i get: "Invalid kernel version: 2.4.27-2-386" |
| 14:35.44 | Teufel | do I want a partition to be primary or logical? what is the difference? |
| 14:35.48 | Duelist | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
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| 14:36.02 | Kontrabass | oh, bbi10, sorry |
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| 14:36.10 | valdyn | Kontrabass: you cannot use binary drivers on random kernels |
| 14:36.11 | stew | abrotman: the firmware is included in tg3.c in the kernel source |
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| 14:36.30 | botsy | hi all |
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| 14:36.45 | valdyn | Kontrabass: if that driver is only available as binary then you need to use the kernel whicher it is compiled for. |
| 14:36.57 | abrotman | stew: kind of odd .. don't you think? |
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| 14:37.05 | stew | yup |
| 14:37.10 | abrotman | stew: i thought debian had a firm stance against binary blobs in drivers |
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| 14:37.25 | botsy | i have a problem with dyndns .. when i want to update the files ipcheck.dat it's say "segmentation fault" but before it work great ... anybody have an idea where they are a problem ? |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | stew: in other news .. do you think applegate will go on a date with me ? :) |
| 14:37.44 | stew | abrotman: which is why this driver is not in sarge |
| 14:37.48 | stew | abrotman: don't know why its back |
| 14:37.51 | antgel | !tell abrotman about polls |
| 14:37.54 | antgel | :-D |
| 14:37.56 | pureone | well i just booted into windows and the led comes on. so i know its a software issue |
| 14:37.59 | PerfDave | abrotman: The problem with tg3 is that the source file claimed that the blob was GPL'd which it wasn't. Debian's kernel team took out the blob until the licensing issue was resolved, which is why it's not in Sarge. |
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| 14:38.11 | stew | abrotman: i don't think he will go on a date with you |
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| 14:38.19 | abrotman | stew: she |
| 14:38.20 | Duelist | in general you can't GPL a binary blob anyway |
| 14:38.27 | stew | abrotman: probably her neither |
| 14:38.29 | PerfDave | Duelist: Sure you can |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | Duelist: don't tell us .. telll the kernel team |
| 14:38.30 | antgel | abrotman: then *definitely* not |
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| 14:38.52 | abrotman | stew: so .. as i said .. i'm not doing anything with firmware .. debian is distributing it |
| 14:39.16 | Duelist | PerfDave: if you don't have the source code to it, what's the point of releasing it under the GPL? |
| 14:39.17 | stew | "Permission is hereby granted for the distribution of this firmware data in hexadecimal or equivalent format, provided this copyright notice is accompanying it." |
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| 14:39.38 | valdyn | Duelist: its not GPL if no source is available |
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| 14:39.44 | PerfDave | Duelist: What do you think most of the binaries in Debian are, if not GPLd binary blobs? |
| 14:39.46 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i agree. i'm way beyond that point and had just gotten curious about what is actually up with the tg3 firmware |
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| 14:40.04 | Duelist | PerfDave: completely different. in those cases we know where the source code to them is and how to make them from that source |
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| 14:40.27 | PerfDave | Duelist: Yes.... which means that it's not true that "in general you can't GPL a binary blob anyway" *g* |
| 14:40.31 | abrotman | stew: which makes one wonder .. why can't we have nvidia/madwifi/ati/etc drivers in main ? |
| 14:40.42 | Duelist | PerfDave: right, but in that case, you have both binary and source |
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| 14:40.48 | PerfDave | Duelist: But not together. |
| 14:40.49 | Duelist | completely different, as I said. |
| 14:41.17 | PerfDave | Duelist: If you said "You can't GPL a binary blob which has no source available" then I'd agree with you *g* |
| 14:41.39 | PerfDave | And that's what the upstream kernel team were trying to do with tg3, and that's why Debian pulled the firmware blob from the driver source. |
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| 14:42.11 | stew | abrotman: yeah, dunno. or why are invariant sections in gfdl not acceptable, but invariant sections in the cdrecord source ok. if we are going to talk about inconsistency |
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| 14:42.35 | PerfDave | I don't think anybody pays any attention to Joerg Schilling, do they? *g* |
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| 14:43.18 | azeem | stew: I don't think anybody except Joerg really argues that they are acceptable |
| 14:43.20 | stew | PerfDave: no it seems not. but if you browse through the cdrecord source you become suprised that it is allowed in debian |
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| 14:43.39 | bulkdata | what if a binary blob is the only source the hardware understands? |
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| 14:44.15 | PerfDave | Fundementally it depends on the on the license of the firmware in question, as I see it. Now the licensing for the firmware in tg3 has been sorted out, it's firmware that Debian can distribute in that form, so it's included. Many devices which require binary firmware only have that firmware available under a restrictive license which Debian can't distribute. |
| 14:44.18 | dave__ | I'm new to debian so I'm trying to figure out how things work. Why do some packages like gnome 2.12 take months to get into unstable? I understand why it takes so long to get to stable, but why so long for unstable? |
| 14:44.19 | abrotman | stew: we should punish a DD for this .. |
| 14:44.24 | ismaelvirgens | alguem fala portugues |
| 14:44.25 | ismaelvirgens | ae |
| 14:44.29 | abrotman | !br |
| 14:44.30 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:44.34 | ismaelvirgens | digo brasikeiro |
| 14:44.46 | abrotman | stew: do you happen to have two horses and some rope ? |
| 14:44.54 | azeem | dave__: because the release team has asked to hold off with it until the library transitions have been sorted out |
| 14:44.55 | stew | abrotman: i've got rope |
| 14:45.02 | ismaelvirgens | como fasso isso? |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. now we need a DD! |
| 14:45.11 | bulkdata | i mean, as long as the firmware only runs on the hardware itself and you have permission to redistribute it |
| 14:45.19 | abrotman | ismaelvirgens: /join #debian-br |
| 14:45.35 | ismaelvirgens | o que faço agora? |
| 14:45.35 | ircdevil | can anyone resolve www.apache.org? |
| 14:45.51 | abrotman | no |
| 14:45.54 | dave__ | thank you azeem. Do you know of any goals in terms of package goals debian wants to shoot for, for the etch release? |
| 14:46.02 | abrotman | ircdevil: resolve or connect ? |
| 14:46.03 | bulkdata | 80.58.0.33 =Apache.org |
| 14:46.04 | stew | bulkdata: its a slippery slope to allowing binary only software. why is firmware treated differently than other software |
| 14:46.13 | ismaelvirgens | vou sair |
| 14:46.15 | abrotman | ircdevil: i can resolve it .. but not connect |
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| 14:46.18 | ismaelvirgens | fui e um abrao |
| 14:46.18 | PerfDave | stew: Because it's not executed on your computer. |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | ismaelvirgens: /join #debian-br |
| 14:46.23 | ismaelvirgens | abraço |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | ismaelvirgens: /join #debian-br |
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| 14:46.24 | antgel | dave__: i believe vorlon announced them on a mailing list, perhaps debian-devel-announce |
| 14:46.25 | bulkdata | sorry |
| 14:46.25 | azeem | dave__: in general, or for GNOEM? |
| 14:46.28 | azeem | eh, GNOME |
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| 14:46.30 | bulkdata | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.32 | stew | PerfDave: yeah? and so is the firmware |
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| 14:46.39 | abrotman | !afo |
| 14:46.39 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 14:46.42 | abrotman | backfired |
| 14:46.42 | ismaelvirgens | ismaelvirgens: /join #debian-br |
| 14:46.44 | PerfDave | bulkdata: If the firmware is firmware rather than non-free kernel code (i.e. it's uploaded to the device across the USB or PCI bus by a GPL'd firmware loader) and the license is sufficiently unrestrictive, I don't know of any legal problems distributing clearly labelled non-GPL firmware with the kernel. |
| 14:46.46 | dave__ | any package goals |
| 14:46.51 | PerfDave | stew: That's the point. |
| 14:46.55 | abrotman | dave__: ones that work! :) |
| 14:46.57 | antgel | abrotman: it has a funny habit of doing that |
| 14:46.59 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 14:46.59 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
| 14:47.03 | stew | PerfDave: i don't see why there is a distinction |
| 14:47.09 | azeem | dave__: the only goal is to not have any major transition affecting lots of packages from 2006 on |
| 14:47.15 | PerfDave | stew: Because the firmware isn't run on your computer! :) |
| 14:47.15 | bulkdata | stew, if the firmware does not runs on your cpu and runs in a cpu inside the video or wireless cards it should not matter me |
| 14:47.20 | stew | PerfDave: yes it does |
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| 14:47.33 | bulkdata | your cd/dvd drive has a firmware too and nobody complains |
| 14:47.35 | antgel | !start a legal war |
| 14:47.50 | PerfDave | stew: No it doesn't! It's run on a seperate device and communicates with the kernel over a clearly-defined interface. |
| 14:47.56 | stew | bulkdata: so we are for free software for one of the cpus in our machines but are fine with giving up our freedom on all of the other cpus? |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | nvidia sucks |
| 14:47.59 | azeem | bulkdata: there are different opinions on this, your view is not uncontestsed |
| 14:48.33 | bulkdata | well, i would like them to be free too, but that is something i cannot complaint |
| 14:48.33 | Duelist | which reminds me, are we at the point where computers don't ship with a BIOS yet? |
| 14:48.38 | PerfDave | Having non-free firmware may be undesirable, but there's *no* difference between having firmware that lives on an EPROM inside a device which you never see, and firmware which lives in volatile RAM that your kernel has to squirt over on each boot. |
| 14:48.43 | abrotman | Duelist: you mean PCs ? |
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| 14:48.44 | Duelist | PCs, I mean |
| 14:48.46 | Duelist | sorry |
| 14:48.53 | valdyn | Duelist: that isnt possible |
| 14:49.09 | Duelist | valdyn: I've been told that that's a long-term goal, to get rid of the BIOS |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | Duelist: afaik .. you need some sort of nvram or eeprom or bios |
| 14:49.19 | PerfDave | A long-term goal of whom? :) |
| 14:49.27 | Duelist | of Intel and other hardware manufacturers |
| 14:49.44 | valdyn | Duelist: yea, and use something 'better' instead, it would not be a different thing though |
| 14:49.50 | PerfDave | The last I heard on the BIOS front was that they were making it much more complicated, putting networking code and all sorts in the BIOS, along with the Trusted Computing shit. |
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| 14:50.57 | abrotman | PerfDave: that's kind of like getting rid of it :) |
| 14:51.09 | Duelist | PerfDave: Treacherous Computing, you mean? |
| 14:51.20 | bulkdata | i have no problem with having a Trusted Computing chip inside my motherboard as long as i can controll it |
| 14:51.23 | PerfDave | Duelist: Depending on how much of an RMS-fanboy you are. |
| 14:51.28 | PerfDave | bulkdata: By definition, you can't :) |
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| 14:51.34 | antgel | does Trusted Computing have anything to do with Productivity(TM)? |
| 14:51.40 | bulkdata | normie, by definition you can even disable it |
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| 14:51.48 | abrotman | antgel: fucking right it does@ |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | ! |
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| 14:51.58 | bulkdata | it will make a diference if you intend to run trusted software |
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| 14:52.02 | bulkdata | aka Windows Vista |
| 14:52.05 | PerfDave | If you can control it, it's not Trusted Computing. I mean, it's not about who you trust, it's about who Microsoft trusts on your behalf :) |
| 14:52.05 | Duelist | my understanding on the Treacherous Computing chip... if your OS does not support it at all, it doesn't affect you. |
| 14:52.06 | valdyn | bulkdata: you cant control tc, and it will only become a problem for you if you need to run tc-enabled software |
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| 14:52.10 | Pragmatic | bulkdata: Strange, what definition are you going on? |
| 14:52.25 | bulkdata | last one of the TCPA alliance |
| 14:52.25 | Duelist | PerfDave: which is why RMS, myself, and others call it Treacherous Computing |
| 14:52.33 | Pragmatic | I see. |
| 14:52.34 | bulkdata | it says you can disable it to a non-trusted state |
| 14:52.38 | antgel | !rmssmite Duelist |
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| 14:52.46 | PerfDave | Duelist: Yes, I'm aware of that, I just don't think it's a good name :) |
| 14:52.54 | Duelist | antgel: what did I do to deserve that? |
| 14:52.55 | maytricks | hey pureone |
| 14:52.58 | bulkdata | it will prevent you to run trusted-software, but i have no problem with my Trusted Debian |
| 14:52.59 | Pragmatic | Well now, don't you think they would be just the least bit biased? |
| 14:52.59 | bulkdata | xD |
| 14:53.13 | antgel | Duelist: you're right. nobody deserves to listen to that song. :) |
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| 14:53.25 | Pragmatic | ...And who defines what's trusted and untrusted? |
| 14:53.26 | PerfDave | I think we will need to wait for TC-crippled chips to come out before we can refuse to buy them *g* |
| 14:53.28 | arbisis` | is anyone can help me about a video card problem on a laptop? |
| 14:53.52 | bulkdata | Pragmatic, you |
| 14:53.54 | antgel | arbisis`: only if it doesn't have Trusted Computing |
| 14:53.58 | Pragmatic | PerfDave: Not necessarily. We can refuse to check prices. |
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| 14:54.04 | abrotman | Pragmatic: aristoctratic governments |
| 14:54.06 | Duelist | so, by definition, TC programs can't be free as in freedom? |
| 14:54.09 | Pragmatic | bulkdata: Really? So I have access to the source code? |
| 14:54.17 | Duelist | Pragmatic: Microsoft, Intel, the MPAA, the RIAA, etc... |
| 14:54.20 | bulkdata | a TPM module allows you to erase the keys you want |
| 14:54.20 | Pragmatic | ...And I can modify the chip as I please? |
| 14:54.24 | valdyn | Duelist: that kind of defeats the purpose of tcp |
| 14:54.25 | Duelist | in other words, who the corporations trust. |
| 14:54.28 | Pragmatic | I see. |
| 14:54.36 | valdyn | Duelist: tcp means that the program controls you |
| 14:54.37 | bulkdata | except the master key, that is a per-device key |
| 14:54.44 | Pragmatic | So then I have to use *their* software if I want to control it? |
| 14:54.45 | azeem | you guys sound like i'd imagine #gnu |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:55.12 | PerfDave | Duelist: I don't think the TC components will exist in a Free form, meaning that you won't be able to create Free TC software. Even if you could technically do it, it'd still be against the spirit of Free Software. |
| 14:55.14 | bulkdata | that is the only key secret inside the hardware, that you can use to sign software to this machine |
| 14:55.16 | abrotman | azeem: we're going to have to sacrifice you .. we found binary blobs in main! |
| 14:55.26 | Duelist | it's simple, really... the Linux kernel (and Hurd) treat the TC chip as "dead weight" |
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| 14:55.38 | bulkdata | IBM has suppor for TPM hardware already in linux |
| 14:55.43 | Pragmatic | bulkdata: Can I reprogram the DRM chip to crack DRmed media? |
| 14:55.44 | Duelist | the same way a device in the system for which there is no driver is treated |
| 14:55.56 | PerfDave | Duelist: And it's expected that the GPLv3 will explicitly have an anti-TC/DRM clause |
| 14:56.07 | bulkdata | Pragmatic, no, DRM is not about cracking, it is about Digital restriction |
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| 14:56.09 | Pragmatic | Well then it's not really free, is it? |
| 14:56.10 | Duelist | PerfDave: I would hope so |
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| 14:56.10 | learnfromscratch | i erased a rw cd... with blank=fast.. now when i mount it it says wrong fs type!!! |
| 14:56.15 | maytricks | I have looked in add and remove programs and there isnt linux there, but i installed it :\ |
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| 14:56.20 | valdyn | Pragmatic: that would be a broken DRM, if the vendors implement this properly, you cannot |
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| 14:56.55 | Pragmatic | Now, if DRM is "by definition" completely controlled by the user, then why am I being restricted from tampering with it in that way? |
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| 14:56.58 | Duelist | valdyn: they dropped the ball with DVD CSS |
| 14:57.04 | johnny06 | hi,i am not able to read a wmv file with totem, i keep on getting Video codec 'WVP2' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies |
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| 14:57.18 | johnny06 | i have w32codec installed & all the resqt |
| 14:57.21 | Kontrabass | somebody here who installed the suse avm drivers on a debian? |
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| 14:57.43 | Duelist | johnny06: either totem can't find the codecs or you're not on an i386 |
| 14:57.45 | valdyn | Duelist: yea, well that was appearantly easy to crack, but you might want to look into which HUGE research resources are going into 'fixing' this for blue ray etc ( the new 'dvds' ) |
| 14:57.58 | Duelist | in order to play files encoded with codecs only available for i386 you have to be using that platform. |
| 14:57.58 | johnny06 | i am on i386 |
| 14:57.59 | PerfDave | Or its some new WMV which isn't supported by anything on Linux. |
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| 14:58.13 | johnny06 | i can read wmv in mozilla |
| 14:58.13 | PerfDave | There are a few of them AIUI |
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| 14:58.31 | arbisis` | antgel:I have a Dell XPS gen 1 and my video card is a ATI Radeon 9700 |
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| 14:58.56 | stew | !drxx arbisis` |
| 14:58.56 | dpkg | arbisis`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:58.58 | arbisis` | I cannot change the resolution |
| 14:59.06 | bulkdata | you can extract the Decoded frames from the Video card buffer (if not secured) |
| 14:59.08 | stew | arbisis`: choose "radeon" or "ati" as your driver during the configure process |
| 14:59.09 | johnny06 | i managed to read it with mplayer but uninstalled it cause it screwed my totem |
| 14:59.13 | Duelist | the funny thing is, ffmpeg2theora at least synced up with a WMV9 file and tried to decode it, just spewed forth a ton of errors, so maybe it can be reverse engineered |
| 14:59.33 | maytricks | I have looked in add and remove programs and there isnt linux there, but i installed it |
| 14:59.35 | Kontrabass | where can i find a 2.6.8 deb file? :( |
| 14:59.39 | arbisis` | ok thx |
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| 14:59.52 | Kontrabass | maybe its a dumb question, but to be honest this is my first day on debian :P |
| 15:00.00 | PerfDave | Kontrabass: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:00.01 | antgel | !tell Kontrabass about grounding |
| 15:00.08 | bulkdata | debian comes already with 2.6.8 i think |
| 15:00.12 | Kontrabass | no |
| 15:00.13 | PerfDave | Kontrabass: You want to search for a "kernel-image" package |
| 15:00.16 | tarzeau | oh how i love uniq -u |
| 15:00.21 | bulkdata | yes |
| 15:00.28 | bulkdata | i have 2.6.8-2 now from debian |
| 15:00.38 | antgel | tarzeau: doesn't take much, does it? :) |
| 15:00.40 | Pragmatic | 2.6.8? Isn't Sid up to 2.6.14? |
| 15:00.41 | bulkdata | default kernel |
| 15:00.48 | bulkdata | i am not in Sid |
| 15:00.54 | bulkdata | sarge here |
| 15:00.58 | tarzeau | antgel: nah, but this comes really handy at times: cat subset all | sort | uniq -u > all-without-subset |
| 15:01.02 | chris_hh | hi i´ve a problem with ltsp -- xdcmp -- somebody here who know´s a thing? |
| 15:01.05 | Kontrabass | i just need a kernel where i can use the suse avm drivers |
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| 15:01.15 | antgel | !tell chris_hh about ask |
| 15:01.16 | Kontrabass | and i downloaded the debian mini image today |
| 15:01.18 | Pragmatic | chris_hh: Shoot. |
| 15:01.18 | bulkdata | what is that avm? |
| 15:01.19 | Kontrabass | it was 2.4.27 |
| 15:01.33 | Kontrabass | avm is a producr of isdn cards |
| 15:01.33 | Pragmatic | I know a bit about XDMCP, but not thin clients in particular, though. |
| 15:01.33 | stew | Kontrabass: it has both 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 on it |
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| 15:01.54 | Pragmatic | All my clients are quite fat. |
| 15:01.56 | Kontrabass | stew: and how to run 2.6.8? |
| 15:01.58 | bulkdata | either, grab the SuSE sources, pray and compile them |
| 15:02.18 | Kontrabass | the suse sources should work on 2.6.8 |
| 15:02.24 | Kontrabass | thats why i want to use that one |
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| 15:02.42 | bulkdata | debian sarge comes with 2.6.8-2 |
| 15:02.52 | Kontrabass | and how can i use 2.6.8? |
| 15:02.59 | bulkdata | installing it |
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| 15:03.10 | stew | Kontrabass: when you were installing you could have chosen linux26 at the boot: menu, or you can install the 2.6 kernel from the cd, its here on the cd: pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-16_i386.deb |
| 15:03.13 | Pragmatic | Kontra, are you _sure_ that you booted the install CD as "linux26" and not just "linux?" |
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| 15:03.39 | Kontrabass | dunno |
| 15:03.39 | poncha|work | lol.. got several message from someone i never seen before on msn, all in turkish, all i understood from that was "debian sarge 3.1" in one of the message ;))) asked the guy to speak english ang got "why?" :)))) |
| 15:03.42 | Kontrabass | dont remember |
| 15:03.44 | poncha|work | *messages |
| 15:03.59 | GNULinux | I would like to use k3b in etch, but it has no available release? |
| 15:04.08 | bulkdata | Kontrabass, run this "uname -a" |
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| 15:04.12 | trigga | hi all sorry to interrupt i wonder if someone can help me I'm trying to get my dvd drive working I'm running 2.6.13.4 and dmesg | grep -i dvd doesn't show anything :/ |
| 15:04.14 | Kontrabass | 2.4.27 |
| 15:04.17 | bulkdata | it will tell you your actual kernel |
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| 15:04.22 | Lilldude10 | who is good with video cards? |
| 15:04.24 | Kontrabass | as i said bulkdata |
| 15:04.26 | valdyn | trigga: dmesg | grep -i cdrom |
| 15:04.28 | stew | GNULinux: you can either wait for it to re-enter etch, backport it from sid, or install it from sid |
| 15:04.33 | bulkdata | then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-<arch> |
| 15:04.35 | antgel | trigga: why is it not working and why aren't you using a debian kernel? |
| 15:04.37 | johnny06 | Kontrabass are you doing a fresh install |
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| 15:04.41 | azeem | Lilldude10: the X.org developers, but they are not in here |
| 15:04.47 | trigga | nope nada :/ |
| 15:04.50 | GNULinux | stew: if i download .deb for sid, what else must i do? |
| 15:04.54 | stew | GNULinux: install it |
| 15:04.55 | Kontrabass | <arch>? |
| 15:05.01 | valdyn | trigga: how is it connected ( atapi? scsi? ) |
| 15:05.08 | trigga | atapi |
| 15:05.08 | Pragmatic | Kontrabass: It's probably i386. |
| 15:05.14 | Kontrabass | what means <arch> |
| 15:05.19 | bulkdata | your cpu arch |
| 15:05.21 | Lilldude10 | azeem were are thay? |
| 15:05.21 | valdyn | trigga: lsmod | grep ide_scsi |
| 15:05.24 | Pragmatic | It means your processor family. |
| 15:05.26 | Kontrabass | ah |
| 15:05.28 | stew | Kontrabass: are you on the internet with this machine? |
| 15:05.32 | Kontrabass | sec |
| 15:05.32 | azeem | Lilldude10: I don't know |
| 15:05.34 | Kontrabass | yes |
| 15:05.35 | Pragmatic | i386, k7, alpha, &c. |
| 15:05.42 | stew | Kontrabass: what cpu do you have? |
| 15:05.47 | Kontrabass | 350 mhz |
| 15:05.48 | Kontrabass | p2 |
| 15:05.50 | Kontrabass | i386 |
| 15:05.51 | Kontrabass | :P |
| 15:06.02 | stew | Kontrabass: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:06.02 | bulkdata | no |
| 15:06.02 | Lilldude10 | ok can some one help me get droivers |
| 15:06.02 | bulkdata | i586 |
| 15:06.02 | Kontrabass | i guess |
| 15:06.02 | Pragmatic | Definetly i686, then. |
| 15:06.10 | Kontrabass | sec |
| 15:06.11 | trigga | ok lsmod | grep ide_scsi didn't error or output anything *shrugs* |
| 15:06.12 | Pragmatic | Is that even a seperate package, i686? |
| 15:06.14 | bulkdata | p2 is i686? |
| 15:06.16 | bulkdata | wow |
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| 15:06.18 | bulkdata | xDDDD |
| 15:06.20 | mumhero | wow |
| 15:06.21 | Pragmatic | Pentium pro is a 686. |
| 15:06.21 | stew | bulkdata: /msg dpkg 686 |
| 15:06.24 | valdyn | trigga: alright, cd /proc/ide/ ; ls |
| 15:06.33 | Kontrabass | thanks |
| 15:06.35 | Kontrabass | its running |
| 15:07.07 | Pragmatic | Pentium is 586, hence the name. |
| 15:07.07 | bulkdata | it was a long time i bought my last intel cpu |
| 15:07.07 | bulkdata | xDDDDDD |
| 15:07.07 | Kontrabass | takes a whilenow |
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| 15:07.08 | maytricks | LOLOLOLO |
| 15:07.08 | trigga | returns amd74xx drivers hda hdc ide0 ide1 |
| 15:07.09 | Pragmatic | Yeah, Intel isn't even trying any more. |
| 15:07.09 | valdyn | trigga: cat hdc/media |
| 15:07.09 | mumhero | amd is perfect |
| 15:07.14 | Kontrabass | nobody was able to tell me the "-image" thing on the kernel name before |
| 15:07.23 | Kontrabass | that was what i searched for 4 hours :P |
| 15:07.27 | poncha|work | bulkdata, what do you buy now? amd? or sparcs? :P |
| 15:07.31 | bulkdata | apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 15:07.40 | Pragmatic | He buys Cyrix! |
| 15:07.42 | trigga | valdyn returns cdrom |
| 15:07.46 | Kontrabass | i searched the internet for an *.deb file |
| 15:07.47 | bulkdata | i have a athlon xp 3000+ now |
| 15:07.47 | GNULinux | stew: i think k3b is the only one that doesnt need scsi mode for burning cds |
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| 15:07.53 | valdyn | trigga: /dev/hdc is your cdrom/dvd drive |
| 15:07.56 | bulkdata | next cpu will be a dual-core amd maybe |
| 15:08.12 | trigga | valdyn: cool thnx |
| 15:08.13 | antgel | GNULinux: k3b is just a gui front-end |
| 15:08.17 | valdyn | trigga: or do you have a 2nd cdrom/dvd drive? |
| 15:08.21 | Kontrabass | next question: do i have to modify grub or somethin else to boot 2.6.8? |
| 15:08.21 | stew | GNULinux: k3b just is a frontend from cdrecord (and some other tools) which doesn't need scsi emulation for 2.6 kernels |
| 15:08.21 | Pragmatic | You know those are bad for single-threaded applications, though, right bulk? |
| 15:08.28 | Pragmatic | Kontrabass: No. |
| 15:08.33 | bulkdata | Kontrabass, apt will do it for you |
| 15:08.34 | stew | GNULinux: nothing should need scsi emulation for a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:08.39 | Kontrabass | just reboot? |
| 15:08.42 | trigga | valdyn: i do but its not connected at the moment |
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| 15:08.52 | bulkdata | when it reboots a new entry will be there on the grub menu |
| 15:09.00 | Kontrabass | hmm guess i will like this debian :P |
| 15:09.06 | Kontrabass | sounds easy |
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| 15:09.11 | bulkdata | apt-all |
| 15:09.11 | Pragmatic | Kontrabass: If you install the kernel from a package -- even if it's built from source -- GRUB is taken care of. |
| 15:09.12 | bulkdata | xD |
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| 15:09.26 | valdyn | GNULinux: your cdrom will not work completely if you use scsi emulation |
| 15:09.29 | Kontrabass | i was building a kernel earlier |
| 15:09.37 | Kontrabass | but it took too long so i abrupted |
| 15:09.38 | Pragmatic | No you weren't. |
| 15:09.41 | Pragmatic | Oh. |
| 15:09.42 | Kontrabass | i did |
| 15:09.44 | Pragmatic | Maybe you were. |
| 15:09.48 | Kontrabass | yeah |
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| 15:10.02 | Kontrabass | i downloaded the package, tared it and modified the config |
| 15:10.02 | Pragmatic | If it ain't broke, though, don't fix it. |
| 15:10.30 | Kontrabass | i wanted to deselect the capi4linux thingy from the isdn options |
| 15:10.42 | bulkdata | i usually compile new kernels, but mainly keep the debian config and quit the OSS stuff |
| 15:10.50 | Kontrabass | but then i decided it takes too long to build a kernel on a 350 mhz pc |
| 15:10.53 | mauricio | hi, i've missing the /dev/dsp* files, what cause that? |
| 15:10.58 | bulkdata | and debugging /hacking stuff that makes the kernel slower |
| 15:10.59 | GNULinux | has anyone tracerouted a hostname that was over 30 hops, just curious? |
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| 15:11.09 | Duelist | GNULinux: not one properly routed to, no |
| 15:11.09 | valdyn | mauricio: cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 15:11.09 | stew | Kontrabass: there is generally no reason to recompile a kernel just to stop a driver from loading, you can blacklist the kernel module from a debian kernel, /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 15:11.21 | Duelist | I've tracerouted a routing loop before though. |
| 15:11.22 | trigga | valdyn: cool its working that was some silky smooth help mr command wizard ;) |
| 15:11.27 | Pragmatic | mauricio: There's a script in /dev/ that rebuilds device files. |
| 15:11.28 | Kontrabass | i need to write that down |
| 15:11.31 | Duelist | i.e. two hosts playing packet ping-pong |
| 15:11.48 | bulkdata | who of the hosts win? |
| 15:11.53 | Kontrabass | like /msg dpkg blacklist hisax? |
| 15:11.57 | bulkdata | :-) |
| 15:12.19 | bulkdata | just /MSG DPKG BLACKLIST |
| 15:12.27 | Kontrabass | oh |
| 15:12.34 | Kontrabass | then a menu comes up? |
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| 15:12.35 | stew | !tell Kontrabass about blacklist |
| 15:12.44 | mauricio | Pragmatic, here is the output -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/fJBDQb38.html |
| 15:12.48 | bulkdata | a msg from the user "dpkg" |
| 15:12.56 | Kontrabass | oh |
| 15:13.04 | Pragmatic | mauricio: Wrong guy. |
| 15:13.12 | Pragmatic | I'm the one who told you about MAKEDEV. |
| 15:13.18 | bulkdata | is a stupid bot |
| 15:13.20 | valdyn | mauricio: which debian release, which kernel are you running? |
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| 15:13.36 | stew | mauricio: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 15:13.56 | Pragmatic | Isn't OSS defunct? |
| 15:13.58 | Kontrabass | hmm |
| 15:14.09 | Kontrabass | i will try this strange blacklist thingy tomorrow |
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| 15:14.15 | bulkdata | does anyone here knows a good console mp3 player with suppor to listen to internet streams and read .pls files? |
| 15:14.18 | valdyn | Pragmatic: no, and that module isnt 'OSS' |
| 15:14.23 | Kontrabass | havent fully understood it from the lines the bot posted to me :P |
| 15:14.25 | stew | Pragmatic: that module give him oss emulation in alsa, which is what he is missing |
| 15:14.37 | mauricio | debian unstable, kernel 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 15:14.40 | Pragmatic | Ah. |
| 15:14.50 | Pragmatic | bulkdata: What kind of stream? |
| 15:14.54 | valdyn | mauricio: apt-get install linux-sound-base, select alsa whena sked |
| 15:14.55 | antgel | dpkg: you're stupid |
| 15:14.56 | bulkdata | shoutcast ones |
| 15:14.57 | valdyn | s/sked/asked/ |
| 15:15.00 | bulkdata | or icecasts |
| 15:15.07 | Kontrabass | k, rebooting box |
| 15:15.12 | bulkdata | not mplayer please |
| 15:15.13 | bulkdata | xD |
| 15:15.16 | Pragmatic | Shoutcast, you can read using mpg123. |
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| 15:15.26 | Pragmatic | ...But the input file has to be a pipe. |
| 15:15.29 | bulkdata | but it does not reads .pls files |
| 15:15.34 | stew | bulkdata: cplay |
| 15:15.40 | narma_ | hello, can I tell to aptitude to not install one depedance of the selected package ? I have compiled subversin from sources but I want to install python2.3-subversion which require subversion |
| 15:15.42 | bulkdata | will try |
| 15:15.42 | narma_ | is there a way ? |
| 15:15.43 | bulkdata | thx |
| 15:15.51 | valdyn | mauricio: that should fix things when rebooting next time, meanwhile what stew said works too |
| 15:15.54 | ramy_ | anybody knows a way to open MS project files under linux ? |
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| 15:16.25 | GNULinux | stew: dependancie problems when installing k3b from sid - http://pastebin.com/452534 |
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| 15:17.09 | valdyn | ramy_: planner can import 'MS-Project-XML' |
| 15:17.12 | abrotman | wow .. imagine that .. something in kde won't install on unstable/testing |
| 15:17.31 | stew | GNULinux: your choices are to install those dependencies from sid, /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix ; or to backport k3b: /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; of the two the latter is safer |
| 15:17.42 | ramy_ | valdyn: I have mpp file , is there any viewer for that ? |
| 15:17.52 | Lilldude10 | is it f1 on debain to turn of gui? |
| 15:17.55 | valdyn | !nfc |
| 15:17.56 | dpkg | from memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 15:17.57 | Kontrabass | Linux hylafax 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:17.59 | Kontrabass | yay! |
| 15:18.08 | Kontrabass | now that was EASY |
| 15:18.16 | Kontrabass | :P |
| 15:18.28 | narma_ | no idea :( |
| 15:18.28 | stew | Lilldude10: ctrl-alt-f1 will get you to a console, if that is what you mean, the gui will still be wiating for you if you then hit alt-f7 |
| 15:19.08 | mauricio | thanks men |
| 15:19.12 | Lilldude10 | cool |
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| 15:19.23 | Kontrabass | ok now to that blacvklist feature |
| 15:19.32 | Kontrabass | i want to disable "Old ISDN4Linux" |
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| 15:19.44 | Kontrabass | now clue whether it is loaded though ;) |
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| 15:20.04 | abrotman | stew: or apt-get -f install .. since he installed k3b badly |
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| 15:20.43 | valdyn | Kontrabass: that driver is called 'hisax', so you just blacklist that module i guess |
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| 15:21.01 | stew | Kontrabass: "lsmod" will list all loaded drivers, "modprobe -l | grep isdn" will list all available isdn drivers |
| 15:21.13 | Kontrabass | sec |
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| 15:21.39 | valdyn | narma_: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 15:22.27 | qubix` | I'm currently having a problem installing the latest release of debian which keeps stalling at the 91% mark of mod_probe for scsi devices, although I do not have any scsi devices on the system its self is their anyway to bypass mod_probe for scsi devices? |
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| 15:22.54 | valdyn | qubix`: latest = what? sarge? |
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| 15:23.01 | qubix` | yes |
| 15:23.11 | Lilldude10 | what f key switches betwen gnome and kde |
| 15:23.12 | valdyn | qubix`: try linux26 at the bootprompt |
| 15:23.13 | stew | qubix`: tried both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
| 15:23.24 | valdyn | Lilldude10: none |
| 15:23.33 | abrotman | or use the debconf priority stuffs |
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| 15:23.48 | Pragmatic | Lilldude10: You need to have two X displays running on two seperate VTs if you want to run both simultaneously. |
| 15:23.55 | Pragmatic | That requires configuration. |
| 15:23.56 | qubix` | ill try that valdyn |
| 15:24.04 | samuel | sup all |
| 15:24.17 | Kerr | is there a way ti naje ny vnc session more responsive? (apt package vncserver) |
| 15:24.23 | Kontrabass | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/isdn/i4l/isdn.ko |
| 15:24.24 | Kontrabass | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/isdn/i4l/isdn_bsdcomp.ko |
| 15:24.31 | Kontrabass | those i need to blaclkist |
| 15:24.42 | maytricks | yay |
| 15:24.45 | Pragmatic | Isn't X faster than VNC? |
| 15:24.50 | valdyn | Kerr: vnc is really slow and lame compared to ssh -x for me |
| 15:24.55 | Kerr | a way to make my vnc session more responsive ^^ |
| 15:24.58 | Pragmatic | Ah, so it is. |
| 15:25.05 | samuel | if i change the routing table of my sistem is the new routing table stored automagically? or do i need to do something else? |
| 15:25.07 | maytricks | ja |
| 15:25.08 | Kontrabass | vnc is kame compared to everything :P |
| 15:25.15 | Kontrabass | *lame |
| 15:25.25 | Kerr | valdyn: thc client is a 150mhz laptop, three feet away. |
| 15:25.40 | valdyn | Kerr: so use X remotely, not vnc |
| 15:25.47 | stew | samuel: your routing table isn't stored anywhere. how are you changing it? |
| 15:25.51 | Kerr | valdyn: don't you need x isntalled on the client? |
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| 15:25.59 | samuel | stew with the route command |
| 15:26.00 | valdyn | Kerr: without ssh if that is to much for that notebook |
| 15:26.09 | xzgv | hi all, i'm trying to install 'pekwm' from a .tar.bz2 (i'm using sarge and there is no pekwm in the repos) in ./configure, it gives me this error: checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no |
| 15:26.09 | xzgv | configure: error: Could not find XOpenDisplay in -lX11. |
| 15:26.10 | Kontrabass | valdyn, what would be my blacklist command to avoid loading the 2 posted modules? |
| 15:26.12 | valdyn | Kerr: yes you do |
| 15:26.15 | Pragmatic | Kerr: X is available for many platforms, and you can run it on a thin client. |
| 15:26.24 | stew | samuel: you should be editing /etc/network/interfaces ; man interfaces |
| 15:26.27 | valdyn | Kontrabass: no idea, read the factoid |
| 15:26.39 | Kontrabass | ok |
| 15:26.41 | xzgv | is there a package i should install |
| 15:26.50 | Kerr | ugh.. i don't think it could handle cygwin (windows 98 laptop, 150mhz, 32mb ram) |
| 15:26.50 | stew | samuel: if you have the interfaces file setup correctly you should never need to touch route yourself |
| 15:26.58 | samuel | stew, i read the route command man page but said nothing about saving it, ill look at interfaces, thanks |
| 15:27.02 | Pragmatic | Not necessarily Vygwin. |
| 15:27.03 | Kerr | is there a native x package for windows :-/ ? |
| 15:27.06 | valdyn | Kerr: why not? |
| 15:27.16 | valdyn | Kerr: cygwin is 'native' |
| 15:27.20 | stew | samuel: what are you trying to do? add a default route? a host route? another subnet? |
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| 15:27.30 | Pragmatic | to tell you the truth, Cygwin is sort of spotty, but it's the closest you'll get to a "native" version. |
| 15:27.41 | Pragmatic | Least expensive one, too. |
| 15:27.47 | fireba11 | samuel: manual routes need to be set up via script every boot .. since you're not expected to need any |
| 15:27.48 | Pragmatic | *If* you care about that. |
| 15:27.55 | stew | Pragmatic: sfu would be closer to a native version |
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| 15:28.01 | Pragmatic | SFU? |
| 15:28.02 | maytricks | brb GUys cya! |
| 15:28.11 | stew | !sfu |
| 15:28.11 | dpkg | methinks sfu is Microsoft's "Services For Unix", which is a misnomer, since it's really Services For Windows. It allows Windows boxes to do Unix-esque things, kind of like Cygwin. |
| 15:28.26 | valdyn | sfu has X though? |
| 15:28.30 | stew | Pragmatic: its a posix subsystem provided by microsoft |
| 15:28.32 | samuel | fireba11, stew, fix internet access, i added a bridge netweok to use bluetooth bnep and that works perfectly now, but only after i added the route... im not sure what the problem is with my interfaces file... |
| 15:28.42 | vincent` | is it possible to create a debian netinstall disc with the 2.6.14 series kernel ? |
| 15:28.46 | Pragmatic | I thought he meant "native" as in acting more like X for UNIX. |
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| 15:28.48 | stew | valdyn: you can run x servers on sfu, it just provicdes native posix |
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| 15:29.08 | valdyn | stew: ah neat, i used to think sfu is just unix services implemented on win |
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| 15:29.21 | Pragmatic | stew: Is it faster than X-Win32? |
| 15:29.22 | stew | samuel: what route command did you run? |
| 15:29.29 | antgel | !tell vincent` about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 15:29.30 | stew | Pragmatic: dunno |
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| 15:29.40 | vincent` | thx antgel |
| 15:29.40 | samuel | stew, route add -net default gw home netmask 0.0.0.0 dev br0 |
| 15:29.41 | fireba11 | samuel: in my experience interfaces file is a bit picky about syntax .. best use a working one and edit from there ... |
| 15:29.59 | samuel | fireba11, i did... it is still picky :( |
| 15:30.00 | Pragmatic | Scroll response is a little sloppy, but I think it's just my network. |
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| 15:30.28 | samuel | stew, fireba11: http://pastebin.com/452555 is my interfaces file |
| 15:30.30 | stew | samuel: and how do you bring up the br0 interface? |
| 15:30.36 | valdyn | Kerr: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/default.mspx has it all, including a link to a free ( as in beer ) X |
| 15:30.49 | samuel | stew, automatically with the interfaces |
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| 15:31.04 | stew | samuel: what is "home"? |
| 15:31.08 | Pragmatic | What about the stench of evil, though, Val? |
| 15:31.29 | stew | samuel: is home defined in /etc/hosts? |
| 15:31.48 | valdyn | Kerr: oh nm, no X that displays remote apps |
| 15:31.48 | FlopsyPete | I want to remove Epiphany and Mozilla cos they clutter up my menus but removing either would remove the whole of GNOME! do they need to be so embedded? |
| 15:31.59 | Pragmatic | ! |
| 15:32.00 | samuel | stew, no, i read somerhere that home was localhost as well |
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| 15:32.08 | antgel | FlopsyPete: mozilla doesn't depend on gnome |
| 15:32.10 | Pragmatic | You mean they actually made it to not listen on ports? |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: 'gnome' is a metapackage |
| 15:32.20 | Pragmatic | MS *is* the great white satan, then. |
| 15:32.34 | abrotman | antgel: the gnome metapackage depends on mozilla-browser for some stupid reason |
| 15:32.35 | stew | samuel: it seems like you should just be able to add "gateway home" at the end of the br0 definition in interfaces |
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| 15:32.56 | samuel | stew, i really have no clue about route, first time i touched it is yesterday in trying to fix internet access |
| 15:33.00 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: paste the list of packages it wants to remove somewhere |
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| 15:33.01 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:33.02 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 15:33.18 | valdyn | Pragmatic: thats not MS, and the full X Server just costs $$ |
| 15:33.19 | stew | samuel: and if that doesnt work you could add "up route add default gw home dev br0" to the end of the definition in interfaces |
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| 15:33.25 | antgel | abrotman: because gnome is stupid? |
| 15:33.32 | FlopsyPete | abrotman, antgel: so, when I use apt to remove mozilla-browser and it says it'll remove gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-office, I shouldn't worry? |
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| 15:33.39 | abrotman | antgel: no .. because the metapackage is stupid |
| 15:33.40 | fireba11 | samuel: route is not so difficult though ... but as said you should not need to though it if the interface is set up correctly .. usually gatway is definded in interfaces |
| 15:33.45 | stew | samuel: "gateway home" should run "route add default gw home dev br0" but i must admit i've never seen "home" there before |
| 15:33.46 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: afaik .. those are all metapackages |
| 15:33.53 | Pragmatic | valdyn: I can still blame is on MS, though, right? |
| 15:33.58 | valdyn | yea! |
| 15:33.58 | antgel | FlopsyPete: just use aptitude interactively |
| 15:34.08 | Pragmatic | Okay, then. |
| 15:34.21 | FlopsyPete | antgel: I'm scripting the way I setup workstations so want to use apt-get |
| 15:34.24 | fireba11 | samuel: also remember to set a DNS somehow :-) |
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| 15:34.38 | Pragmatic | Use X-Win32 if you want looks, MI/X if you want speed, and Exceed if you want configurability. |
| 15:34.41 | Pragmatic | That's been my experience. |
| 15:34.43 | samuel | stew, fireba11, thanks for the info, im reading the interfaces man now... and ill try to do the gateway home... thanks! |
| 15:34.44 | stew | samuel: if you change interfaaces, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" will test it by bringing all your interfaces down and back up |
| 15:34.58 | samuel | stew, thanks, ill do that |
| 15:35.04 | oajara | i do not know de protocol to do the asking here :S |
| 15:35.04 | stew | samuel: if its working now, can you paste the output of "route -n" somewhere (not here) |
| 15:35.08 | bizkit | any suggestions for a neat fast light-weight super duper extra window manager which i can manage completely without the mouse and has multiple workspace support? |
| 15:35.15 | stew | samuel: i'm curious about the home thing |
| 15:35.45 | antgel | bizkit: ratpoison and the other one |
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| 15:35.45 | samuel | stew, im not sure like i said, but i know it works like that |
| 15:35.52 | thingfish | oajara: just ask your question, no need to be shy. Give as much detail as possible. |
| 15:36.02 | oajara | good |
| 15:36.02 | Pragmatic | bizkit: wmii? |
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| 15:36.36 | oajara | i have a brand new hp proliant ml110, with a LSILOGIC scsi controller |
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| 15:36.47 | possie | anyone know if i can create and image from a pdf file? reading pdfimages manpage tells me that that tool only saves image within a pdf, but i want the whole pdf as an image |
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| 15:37.00 | valdyn | !tell oajara -about ask |
| 15:37.05 | Pragmatic | !! |
| 15:37.05 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 15:37.06 | valdyn | !tell oajara -about smart questions |
| 15:37.08 | oajara | but i'm not able to see the hds during the installation procedure |
| 15:37.13 | Pragmatic | There's a WM modelled after screen? |
| 15:37.27 | valdyn | oajara: did you try linux26 at the bootprompt? |
| 15:37.27 | antgel | !tell oajara about enter |
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| 15:38.00 | antgel | bizkit: ion is the other one i was thinking of |
| 15:38.04 | valdyn | !tell oajara -about sarge 2.6.12 |
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| 15:38.11 | samuel | stew, it seems "home" is just the DNS: 192.168.1.254 from the output of "route -n"... route shows it as home |
| 15:38.12 | valdyn | !tell oajara -about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 15:38.14 | stew | bizkit: ratpoisson. but after a few years on ratpoison, i've found ion3 to be much nicer and still completely drivable from the keyboard |
| 15:38.19 | oajara | is that a valid parameter for woody (i do not have sarge cd set) |
| 15:38.32 | valdyn | oajara: uh, get sarge then |
| 15:38.34 | antgel | oajara: no. install sarge |
| 15:38.37 | oajara | ok |
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| 15:38.48 | stew | samuel: is "home" in /etc/hosts? or does "host home" resolve to 192.168.1.254 |
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| 15:39.12 | samuel | host home resolves to 192...... |
| 15:39.14 | stew | samuel: hmm its not dns if route -n shows it as home, since -n means, no dns |
| 15:39.19 | oajara | i didn't want to download sarge until beeing sure because it takes me some time |
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| 15:39.25 | stew | oh that is in conflict then |
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| 15:39.44 | stew | samuel: are you sure you ran route -n and not just route? |
| 15:39.47 | deejill | hi! |
| 15:39.51 | samuel | stew it might have something to do with the router? a 2wire gateway |
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| 15:39.58 | valdyn | oajara: we cannot give you specific answers to your disk controller unless you tell us which controller it is specifically. ( i dont know either way ) |
| 15:40.04 | moeen | how can I get the Terminal Broadcast messages in Gnome ? like when someone shutdown computer ... |
| 15:40.16 | Kontrab | when modules are blacklisted, do they still showup on lets say "modprobe -l | grep isdn" |
| 15:40.27 | stew | samuel: in either case, either "gateway home" or "gateway 192.168.1.254" in interfaces should get you going |
| 15:40.36 | oajara | the controler is a LSILOGIC 2030something that uses de MPTFUSION drivers |
| 15:40.44 | stew | Kontrab: that modprobe -l is every module available, loaded or not |
| 15:40.51 | Kontrab | ah |
| 15:40.55 | oajara | i'll take a look at the model |
| 15:40.55 | samuel | stew, thanks for the help, in case you are interested http://pastebin.com/452572 |
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| 15:41.01 | Kontrab | can i see which ones are laoded? |
| 15:41.06 | stew | Kontrab: lsmod |
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| 15:42.07 | bayer | is it possible to install sarge on a system with sata-drives which are not supported in 2.6.8 (which is used by sarge) but in 2.6.11 kernel? |
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| 15:42.28 | Kontrab | hmm looks good |
| 15:42.28 | thingfish | !tell bayer about sarge 2.6.14 |
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| 15:43.04 | FlopsyPete | is there a down side to losing metapackages gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-office? |
| 15:43.13 | tarzeau | FlopsyPete: no |
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| 15:44.24 | bayer | thx thingfish! |
| 15:44.37 | Kerr | valdyn: A#ny idea how ican get cygwin onto a laptop with no direct net access? (it's linked to the pc but i suck at routing.. heh) |
| 15:44.44 | thingfish | you're welcome, bayer, and happy installing! |
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| 15:45.05 | fireba11 | Kerr: just add the route its pretty easy |
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| 15:45.20 | vincent` | Kerr: you can download all in the install files ona computer w/ internet access, burn a cd and install it from there |
| 15:45.26 | samuel | stew, thanks! it works like a charm |
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| 15:45.31 | FlopsyPete | tarzeau, antgel, abrotman: thanks for the epiphany help |
| 15:45.34 | stew | samuel: you're welcome |
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| 15:46.50 | netcrusher88 | how do I fool dpkg into thinking that a package is installed? |
| 15:47.14 | stew | netcrusher88: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 15:47.20 | samuel | netcrusher88, make a fake package with equivs |
| 15:47.20 | netcrusher88 | thank you |
| 15:47.32 | valdyn | !tell bayer -about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 15:47.33 | grendal_prime | !dpkg openoffice |
| 15:47.34 | dpkg | from memory, openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 is in unstable. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 15:47.39 | maytricks | header coap setting to 43.p and reverse the frame |
| 15:48.02 | netcrusher88 | thatks all |
| 15:48.13 | grendal_prime | something is not right with this |
| 15:48.15 | grendal_prime | deb http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org ./ |
| 15:48.28 | stew | grendal_prime: drop the openoffice.org from the end |
| 15:48.34 | grendal_prime | that just does not work in ....right |
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| 15:48.44 | xzgv | how do i mount a cdrom? i got this:debian:/home/luigi# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 15:48.44 | oajara | thank you very much, i will download sarge and see what happens with kernel 2.6 |
| 15:48.44 | xzgv | mount: mount point /mnt/cdrom does not exist |
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| 15:49.06 | stew | xzgv: either use /media/cdrom or mkdir /mnt/cdrom |
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| 15:49.08 | valdyn | oajara: looks to me like even the sarge 2.4 kernel might support it out of the box |
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| 15:49.22 | valdyn | oajara: defenitely not woody however |
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| 15:49.42 | oajara | yes, the hp diagnostic cd is based on a 2.4 kernel |
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| 15:49.57 | Rus01 | hi all |
| 15:50.08 | valdyn | oajara: oh that doesnt mean that much since for 2.2+ lsi provides the driver as a patch |
| 15:50.20 | oajara | i tried to copy the modules from the diagnostic cd and then load them on the console of woody installation but with no success |
| 15:50.35 | Rus01 | acm module wont create any device strings |
| 15:50.40 | Rus01 | for my phone |
| 15:50.42 | valdyn | oajara: yea, you cant do that |
| 15:50.44 | grendal_prime | thatnks stew...im picking up the backport of open office ...you heard anything unusual about it |
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| 15:50.58 | stew | grendal_prime: haven't heard anything about it |
| 15:51.02 | grendal_prime | and should i just remove the old one first |
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| 15:51.08 | Rus01 | ./makedev usb either |
| 15:51.17 | grendal_prime | hmm k well im gonna ace the old one instead of upgrading it |
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| 15:51.38 | Rus01 | is there anything debian specific with this? |
| 15:51.45 | stew | grendal_prime: i would think that the new package would correctly replace the old, apt-get -s install pkgname would verify this |
| 15:51.57 | Laibsch | Is it possible to turn off Xinerama temporarily? |
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| 15:52.03 | Laibsch | !xinerama |
| 15:52.04 | dpkg | xinerama is probably where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 has it!, or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
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| 15:52.14 | stew | Rus01: sounds like you are looking for MAKEDEV. but are you running udev? |
| 15:52.37 | Kontrabass | Generating FRITZ!Card PCI driver for kernel 2.6.8-2-686... |
| 15:52.38 | Kontrabass | Error while making src/fcpci.ko, see install.log! |
| 15:52.39 | stew | Laibsch: i doubt it |
| 15:52.39 | Kontrabass | Could not generate src/fcpci.ko! |
| 15:52.43 | Kontrabass | eh :( |
| 15:52.50 | Rus01 | nope |
| 15:53.00 | Kontrabass | wth does that mean now? |
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| 15:53.04 | Rus01 | stew: running makedev |
| 15:53.09 | stew | MAKEDEV? |
| 15:53.13 | Rus01 | does nothing |
| 15:53.22 | Rus01 | yep |
| 15:53.27 | Rus01 | MAKEDEV |
| 15:53.31 | Laibsch | stew: you mean I always have to reboot? Or would restarting X be sufficient? I think it should. |
| 15:53.45 | stew | Laibsch: yes restarting X is what you need to do |
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| 15:54.15 | Kerr | fireba11: i gave upreading man pages and fllowing howtos and checking back here, about a month ago, after dozens of attempts. I'm sure it would be !easy if i'd more time, or some sort of networking degree :-/ |
| 15:54.18 | quitte | Kontrabass: if you dont need fax functionality you could use isdn4linux instead of capi. that should be in the kernel already |
| 15:54.22 | Rus01 | stew: with -v option it tells me that its creating a lot of dev |
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| 15:54.35 | Kontrabass | i need fax! |
| 15:54.40 | Rus01 | stew: but when i ls /dev |
| 15:54.42 | Kontrabass | the only function i need is fax |
| 15:54.47 | stew | Rus01: what /dev entry are you hoping it would create? |
| 15:54.48 | Rus01 | i see no new devices |
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| 15:54.54 | Kontrabass | the box wants to be a fax server :P |
| 15:54.57 | quitte | Kontrabass: then look at the log |
| 15:54.58 | vassagus | how many cds i need to download to install debian |
| 15:55.05 | Kontrabass | i am |
| 15:55.08 | fireba11 | Kerr: hade soem routing problems and was able to fix it in a couple minutes without ever setting a route bevore .. though i got basic network knowledge :-) |
| 15:55.09 | Rus01 | stew: /dev/usb/acm/0 |
| 15:55.11 | _daniel_ | vassagus, 1 |
| 15:55.16 | Laibsch | stew: How do I then tell X to not use Xinerama without touching Xorg.conf? I do not always want to fiddle with it. |
| 15:55.18 | Rus01 | for my phone |
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| 15:55.32 | thingfish | vassagus: the netinstall CD alone, if you have a nice internet connection. |
| 15:55.32 | stew | vassagus: if your machine can get on the internet with the default kernels you only need one cd; /msg dpkg netinst |
| 15:55.41 | Rus01 | stew: or ttyACM0 |
| 15:55.48 | stew | Laibsch: i don't know of a way without touching xorg.conf |
| 15:55.59 | ircdevil | i am trying to compile inkscapef on a machine (i only have user access) and it requires libpng. now, i compiled libpng, but i cant get ./configure inkscape to see libpng.a? |
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| 15:56.03 | PerfDave | vassagus: None. Read the Installation Manual :) |
| 15:56.10 | abrotman | ircdevil: libpng-dev .. or something like that |
| 15:56.14 | stew | Rus01: MAKEDEV isdn-tty |
| 15:56.17 | fireba11 | Kerr: i'm here for about 5-10 more minutes .. if you want me to help :-) |
| 15:56.21 | vassagus | well, i dont have i nice connection so i want to download the version sarge, but im seeng 14 cds |
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| 15:56.27 | Kontrabass | make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build' |
| 15:56.28 | Kontrabass | make[1]: *** Keine Regel, um »modules« zu erstellen. Schluss. |
| 15:56.32 | vassagus | ok thanks |
| 15:56.33 | abrotman | vassagus: or 2 DVDs! |
| 15:56.45 | ircdevil | abrotman: i am compiling from source here |
| 15:56.48 | abrotman | vassagus: and what do you mean by .. not nice ? |
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| 15:56.51 | Kontrabass | which is german and means no rule for creating modules |
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| 15:56.57 | abrotman | ircdevil: i understand .. libpng-dev |
| 15:57.01 | xzgv | stew, i did 'mkdir /mnt/cdrom, the opened qcad and chose /cdrom it gave me /media/cdrom0, but i still cannot see what's in the cd |
| 15:57.04 | vassagus | slowly |
| 15:57.17 | Kontrabass | rules for creating modules, i dont understand |
| 15:57.26 | vassagus | maybe i'll by that cds =) |
| 15:57.33 | stew | vassagus: then it depends on what packages you plan to install. you can figure out what cd's contain which packages here: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo but for most people the first couple cds is enough |
| 15:57.33 | quitte | Kontrabass: do you have kernel-headers for your kernel installed and linked to /usr/src/linux? |
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| 15:57.47 | Kontrabass | not that i know of quitte |
| 15:58.00 | stew | Kontrabass: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and try again |
| 15:58.11 | vassagus | thankyou very much stew |
| 15:58.14 | Kontrabass | thx will check |
| 15:58.18 | abrotman | vassagus: you have no friends with broadband that can get them for you ? |
| 15:58.22 | valdyn | make modules should hardly work with just the kernels headers.. |
| 15:58.54 | summoner | i have a problem, can anyone experienced help me? |
| 15:58.59 | quitte | valdyn it's a external modules package i think |
| 15:59.01 | azeem | summoner: just state your problem |
| 15:59.09 | vassagus | yeah, maybe i can download it on my work |
| 15:59.11 | stew | valdyn: -headers packages do contain a makefile |
| 15:59.20 | quitte | valdyn: or i missed when avm let them be put in the kernel itself |
| 15:59.25 | stew | valdyn: (though i don't know if that means anything in this situation) |
| 15:59.36 | ircdevil | abrotman: but where can one get the source for libpng-dev? |
| 15:59.45 | Rus01 | stew: nope nothing hapened |
| 15:59.49 | abrotman | wtf do you want the source for? |
| 15:59.51 | summoner | i left my comp ON 10 hours ago and went to work, when i came back i found out my comp shutted down cause of unknown reasons |
| 16:00.02 | abrotman | ircdevil: you probably don't want the source for libpng |
| 16:00.07 | azeem | summoner: check the logs |
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| 16:00.19 | valdyn | stew: well it would change the error message i guess |
| 16:00.19 | abrotman | ircdevil: you want the dev packages .. which lets tar.gz things that you compile .. be compiled |
| 16:00.20 | stew | Rus01: open /sbin/MAKEDEV and search for ttyACM |
| 16:00.35 | summoner | now i lost all my downloading torrents and want to recover them from the place where they were |
| 16:00.39 | john_doe | I have a problem when installing debian with the "" |
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| 16:00.53 | Kontrabass | stew, still the same |
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| 16:00.55 | azeem | john_doe: what do you mean with ""? |
| 16:00.58 | john_doe | sorry, with the "linux26" boot method. |
| 16:01.05 | Kontrabass | or do i need to reboot after installing those kernel headers? |
| 16:01.06 | john_doe | azeem: more is coming.... |
| 16:01.06 | stew | Rus01: oops looks like you wanted MAKEDEV usb, sorry |
| 16:01.11 | valdyn | Kontrabass: no |
| 16:01.15 | valdyn | !reboot |
| 16:01.16 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 16:01.16 | xzgv | stew, mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 16:01.23 | Rus01 | stew: yep |
| 16:01.31 | summoner | help please |
| 16:01.32 | Rus01 | stew: :) |
| 16:01.35 | stew | xzgv: that looks correct |
| 16:01.36 | Kontrabass | sorry im a windows user |
| 16:01.37 | ircdevil | abrotman: i am googling and not really finding libpng-dev ... |
| 16:01.37 | Kontrabass | :P |
| 16:01.49 | vassagus | can i find a printable version of debian installation notes |
| 16:01.55 | azeem | summoner: well, maybe your bittorrent client wrote the currently active ones to some file you could recover from? |
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| 16:02.02 | azeem | sorry, I don't use bittorrent |
| 16:02.14 | Kontrabass | <3bittorrent |
| 16:02.18 | john_doe | The system can't find my modules because they are put in /lib/modules/kernel-2.6.8-2-386 but my kernel is 686 and the system is therefore looking for the modules in another dir. |
| 16:02.19 | Kontrabass | use it everyday :P |
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| 16:02.25 | azeem | vassagus: you can print them out yourself, they are in .pdf as well I believe |
| 16:02.44 | Rus01 | stew: i found makedev ttyACM$i c 166 $i $dialout |
| 16:02.49 | summoner | do you know where those files could be? |
| 16:02.54 | Rus01 | stew: what about it? |
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| 16:03.08 | xzgv | stew: but when i tried to read with the program qcad, i choose /cdrom and get: /media/cdrom0, but i don't see anything |
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| 16:03.32 | stew | Rus01: run "MAKEDEV usb" |
| 16:03.47 | milestone | hi all is there no more #debian-installer channel? has it moved? |
| 16:03.50 | Kontrabass | still "no rule to create modules" |
| 16:03.57 | stew | xzgv: what mount command did you type? |
| 16:04.01 | ircdevil | abrotman: ok - found it. lets see if it works |
| 16:04.02 | vassagus | thanks sorry for ask simple questions, but i can waite to install debian on my pc, is exiting, |
| 16:04.07 | azeem | milestone: I don't think there ever was one |
| 16:04.13 | azeem | milestone: what do you want to ask? |
| 16:04.30 | vincent` | hrm can i install w/ the kmuto.jp 2.6.14 installer and then upgrade the system to amd64 ? |
| 16:04.38 | quitte | azeem: there was one specific for the installer. not sure if it was that name |
| 16:04.42 | Rus01 | stew: :) i told you i tried that already |
| 16:04.47 | summoner | does anyone know how to recover half-downloaded files? |
| 16:04.51 | milestone | azeem, ok i have made a cusotm installer with my cusotm kernel, because the standard kernel does not support my controller |
| 16:04.59 | vincent` | summoner: what program downloaded it ? |
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| 16:05.03 | Rus01 | stew: no new device strings |
| 16:05.08 | quitte | summoner: wget -c helps |
| 16:05.09 | azeem | milestone: and you want to ask how you integrate it to d-i? |
| 16:05.17 | abrotman | ircdevil: apt-cache search libpng dev |
| 16:05.22 | milestone | now the kernel boots up, then i am getting FATAL /lib/modules/2.6.14.3/modules.dep not found |
| 16:05.27 | azeem | milestone: try #debian-boot |
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| 16:05.33 | milestone | ok thx |
| 16:05.46 | darkness_ | Hi, i've just installed guarddog and get the following error message /etc/rc.firewall. Any ideas? |
| 16:05.49 | kenboo | is there ieee1394-to-vga kind of adapter? |
| 16:06.00 | Kontrabass | can somebody say with a few words what it means? "no rule to create modules" |
| 16:06.12 | Kontrabass | i have no clue what to do next ;) |
| 16:06.19 | darkness_ | That is /etc/rc.firewall does not exist. |
| 16:06.19 | valdyn | Kontrabass: install the complete kernel source ( apt-cache search kernel-source to find the full name ), extract the archive in /usr/src/, run make oldconfig in it, change the symlink calle 'build' in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) to point to the complete sources |
| 16:06.30 | stew | Rus01: fine, then cd /dev ; mknod ttyACM0 c 166 0 ; chgrp dialout ttyACM0 |
| 16:06.44 | valdyn | Kontrabass: after that compiling your driver should work |
| 16:07.06 | Kontrabass | uh thanks, that will make me work a while ;9 |
| 16:07.09 | vincent` | darkness_: did you check if the file exists ? |
| 16:07.10 | kenboo | darkness_ is the app for BSD kinf? |
| 16:07.12 | kenboo | kind |
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| 16:07.28 | john_doe | Haven't anyone seen this problem before? I have just done a "linux26" for installing. And then the modules are put in /lib/modules/kernel-2.6.8-2-386 in stead of ....-686 with the result that I can't load my modules.... |
| 16:07.31 | stew | valdyn: you didn't tell him to copy a .config in before running make oldconfig |
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| 16:07.40 | valdyn | stew: not needed iirc |
| 16:07.43 | stew | ok |
| 16:07.45 | fer | hola |
| 16:07.59 | fer | alguien español |
| 16:08.03 | stew | !es |
| 16:08.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:08.04 | summoner | azureus downloaded it |
| 16:08.39 | MASoft | !fa |
| 16:08.40 | stew | john_doe: linux26 installs a -386 kernel, not a -686 kernel, if you want the -686 kernel, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:08.41 | valdyn | john_doe: linux26 installs the -386 kernel |
| 16:08.48 | cbr | is it worth it to prelink on debian? |
| 16:08.48 | Kerr | if !es is spanish, what is esperanto? |
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| 16:08.58 | stew | Kerr: eo |
| 16:09.01 | grendal_prime | hey stew wheres the best...(most common place) to put java system wide /usr/local/java ? or just /usr/java |
| 16:09.24 | john_doe | ok, I get a 386 kernel. But the kernel looks in the directory for 686 for the modules. So it can't find any! |
| 16:09.27 | summoner | how to recover azureus half-downloaded torrents, help please |
| 16:09.54 | Exegesis|lap | summoner, type /join #Azureus-Support and press enter ... |
| 16:09.55 | john_doe | I tried two times. Same result both times. |
| 16:10.23 | grendal_prime | dude..sounds like the internet may be......broken?? |
| 16:10.35 | darkness_ | No etc/rc.firewall is not installed. |
| 16:10.35 | stew | grendal_prime: there are many correct answers to that, the debian answer is "/msg dpkg java-pacakge" and create a .dev which isntalls to /usr/lib/somejreversion ; if you want to install by hand, valid locations are /opt/{jre,jdk,java} and /usr/local/{jre,jdk,java} |
| 16:10.43 | grendal_prime | damn it someon broke the internet again...!!! |
| 16:10.49 | Rus01 | stew: got the device |
| 16:10.53 | stew | ^dev^deb |
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| 16:11.04 | Rus01 | stew: but it is not working |
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| 16:11.14 | stew | Rus01: i don't know why that would have worked and running MAKEDEV usb didn't *shrug* |
| 16:11.18 | john_doe | no, after the install I get: uname -r -> 2.6.8-2-686. And the modules are in ...-386 |
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| 16:11.38 | stew | john_doe: the debian installer would not have installed 2.6.8-2.686 |
| 16:12.04 | stew | john_doe: if it installed 2.6.8-2-686 but no modules, you woudlnt' be able to boot |
| 16:12.27 | Rus01 | stew: that is what hapened |
| 16:12.28 | john_doe | stew: Maybe I have just done a mistake loading the wrong kernel..... |
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| 16:13.01 | Rus01 | stew: but this device is not asociated with the driver is it? |
| 16:13.11 | xzgv | stew: debian:/home/luigi# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 16:13.22 | grendal_prime | cool stew thanks... |
| 16:13.29 | stew | xzgv: then ls /mnt/cdrom will show the contents of your cdrom |
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| 16:13.42 | stew | Rus01: what driver? is the driver loaded? |
| 16:13.49 | Rus01 | stew:yep |
| 16:14.02 | Rus01 | stew: cdc-acm |
| 16:14.12 | Rus01 | a kernel module |
| 16:14.30 | grendal_prime | maybe im crazy..but ummm has anyone done this and just...like ...uploaded the deb somwhere where we could all use it...or would that even work..or...well somone would probably arrest us for that right? |
| 16:14.41 | stew | Rus01: if you modprobe -r cdc-acm ; modprobe cdc-acm ; do you see any messages in dmesg or /var/log/syslog about the device? |
| 16:14.54 | stew | grendal_prime: debian-unofficial.org |
| 16:15.08 | xzgv | stew: it give me the name: planta.dwg, how do i see it? |
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| 16:15.38 | stew | xzgv: what kind of file is it? how about "less /mnt/cdrom/planta.dwg" |
| 16:15.47 | Rus01 | stew: nope |
| 16:15.59 | Rus01 | stew: weird isnt it? |
| 16:16.40 | stew | Rus01: dunno. i don't know what that module is supposed to do. seeing no messages when loading a module is generally a good sign |
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| 16:17.51 | xzgv | stew: i got the feeling qcad does not open .dwg files :( |
| 16:17.54 | stew | Rus01: this is a driver for some usb thin? do you see your device when you run ls"lsusb"? |
| 16:18.07 | john_doe | well, that was the problem. My stupid mistake. Thanks for not getting confused... |
| 16:18.14 | Rus01 | stew: im trying to connect my phone to the computer and the app for fileexchange uses acm to comunicate with hte phone |
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| 16:18.28 | Rus01 | stew: yep |
| 16:18.39 | stew | Rus01: so what makes you say its not working? |
| 16:18.49 | Rus01 | Motorola PCS E398 Storage |
| 16:18.59 | Rus01 | no device strings |
| 16:19.01 | xzgv | stew: many thanks for the lesson and the help |
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| 16:19.13 | Rus01 | that supposed to be there |
| 16:19.25 | stew | where? |
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| 16:19.46 | UltraSub | mmm... guys, a friend of mine has a corrupted dpkg.. is there a way to make dpkg or apt rebuild its packagelist? |
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| 16:20.02 | stew | UltraSub: what is the error he is getting? |
| 16:20.03 | UltraSub | ./var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted |
| 16:20.09 | UltraSub | and status is gone too |
| 16:20.18 | grendal_prime | wow stew..the dark seedy underworld of packages |
| 16:20.18 | stew | UltraSub: /msg dpkg available |
| 16:20.21 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 16:20.31 | UltraSub | ok, gonna message him :) |
| 16:20.57 | Rus01 | stew: in /dev |
| 16:21.00 | stew | UltraSub: /msg dpkg status-recovery |
| 16:21.09 | stew | grendal_prime: :) |
| 16:21.13 | UltraSub | stew: thanks man |
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| 16:21.45 | Rus01 | stew: The ACM device node (/dev/ttyACM0, /dev/usb/acm/0, /dev/input/ttyACM0, /dev/ttyUSB0, etc.). Usually this already exists, or is created by the driver. |
| 16:21.51 | grendal_prime | i dont know...my machine feels so......currious and...adventuresome |
| 16:21.55 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 16:21.56 | Kontrabass | change the symlink calle 'build' |
| 16:21.57 | Kontrabass | in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) to point to the complete sources |
| 16:21.58 | stew | Rus01: drivers do not create /dev entries |
| 16:22.05 | Kontrabass | valdyn: how do i do that |
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| 16:22.10 | Kontrabass | chaning a symlink |
| 16:22.23 | Rus01 | stew: im mostly a newbie |
| 16:22.33 | mbuf | stew, they do, if you use udev in 2.6 kernels |
| 16:22.38 | Rus01 | stew: what does then? |
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| 16:22.57 | grendal_prime | and any source.list entrys that have..."restricted" in them...i mean hell how could you not try that!!! |
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| 16:23.03 | Rus01 | stew: my kernel 2.6.14.3 |
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| 16:23.16 | stew | mbuf: the u in udev stands for userspace. a userspace program is creating them, not the driver |
| 16:23.22 | xzgv | exit |
| 16:23.42 | stew | Rus01: oh you compiled your own kernel? did you try with a debian kernel? |
| 16:23.48 | Roey | hey all |
| 16:23.49 | Roey | abrotman: hi! |
| 16:23.57 | abrotman | hi! |
| 16:24.01 | abrotman | Roey: btw .. Dell sucks |
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| 16:24.06 | Roey | OK, I compiled the kanotix kernel |
| 16:24.07 | mbuf | stew, which one ? |
| 16:24.07 | Rus01 | stew: actually no |
| 16:24.09 | Roey | and instlaled it |
| 16:24.13 | Roey | abrotman: and the system still won't come up |
| 16:24.15 | Roey | :P |
| 16:24.21 | stew | mbuf: which what? |
| 16:24.25 | Rus01 | stew: but i tried with another kernel |
| 16:24.25 | Roey | abrotman: it has a problem opneing that device. Darg. |
| 16:24.31 | abrotman | device ? |
| 16:24.34 | Rus01 | stew: 2.6.12 |
| 16:24.36 | Roey | /dev/sda3 |
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| 16:24.37 | mbuf | stew: which user-space program is creating /dev entries when used with udev in 2.6 kernels ? |
| 16:24.40 | stew | Rus01: try with a debian kernel? |
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| 16:24.43 | stew | mbuf: udevd |
| 16:24.51 | PerfDave | stew: The u in udev doesn't stand for "useless"? :) |
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| 16:25.11 | Rus01 | stew: i do have acm compiled in |
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| 16:25.19 | stew | PerfDave: no! (i have decided i needed to be the resident #debian udev advocate since we didn't have one!) :) |
| 16:25.23 | Pragmatic | Whoever recommended ratpoison... Thank you very much. |
| 16:25.30 | Rus01 | stew: or are you refering to something else& |
| 16:25.36 | stew | Pragmatic: look at ion3 as well. |
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| 16:26.13 | stew | Rus01: i mean if you are having trouble with a driver in a kernel that you compiled yourself and are a self-proclaimed newbie, then you should try a debian compiled kernel |
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| 16:26.22 | blackangel | hi all |
| 16:26.22 | Kontrabass | can somebody tell me how to change symlinks? |
| 16:26.32 | blackangel | speak polish ?? |
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| 16:26.41 | sussudio | !pl |
| 16:26.42 | dpkg | i guess pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 16:26.48 | Pragmatic | I was specifically looking for something that's "screen for X," so I think that ratpoison is pretty much perfection for me. |
| 16:26.54 | blackangel | im hawe small problem , curier-imap |
| 16:26.55 | Rus01 | stew: ok will do that |
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| 16:27.02 | valdyn | Kontrabass: rm build; ln -s /usr/src/foo build |
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| 16:27.06 | grendal_prime | so stew..i run this. ...i print out the sourcelist, i eat it...i then digitally shred the file and do a full clean on the machine right? hehehehe |
| 16:27.19 | stew | Kontrabass: rm /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ; ln -s /usr/src/kenrel-source-$(uname -r) /lib/modules/$(uanme -r)/build |
| 16:27.27 | batmao | Is there a way for a gnu Makefile to know the name of the directory it's in? Like, if I'm in a directory "program", I would like my Makefile to automatically make a executable called "program" |
| 16:27.31 | Kontrabass | uhm sec |
| 16:27.47 | Pragmatic | Screen on ^a, and ratpoison on ^z -- it's Zen. |
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| 16:27.58 | batmao | Oops |
| 16:27.59 | blackangel | ?? |
| 16:28.06 | batmao | Is there a way for a gnu Makefile to know the name of the directory it's in? |
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| 16:28.13 | batmao | Like, if I'm in a directory "program", I would like my Makefile to automatically make a executable called "program" |
| 16:28.14 | dwery | batmao: pwd |
| 16:28.22 | batmao | dwery: Thanks! |
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| 16:28.45 | blackangel | im need help in currier-imap |
| 16:29.18 | blackangel | my POST server workonly in daemon popa3d not else |
| 16:29.27 | netcrusher88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.34 | netcrusher88 | *libgtk2.0-dev |
| 16:30.03 | manphiz | maybe libgtk1.2-dev? |
| 16:30.17 | blackangel | :( |
| 16:30.18 | dwery | hi all... a question about update-rc.d . the are some packages for which I do not want the startup links to be altered, but an upgrade operation will usually do just that. Is there a way to configure dpkg to not use update-rc.d for a defined set of packages? |
| 16:30.24 | stew | netcrusher88: what are you trying to compile |
| 16:30.28 | netcrusher88 | mplayer |
| 16:30.42 | stew | !wayc netcrusher88 |
| 16:30.42 | dpkg | netcrusher88: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 16:30.54 | stew | netcrusher88: /msg dpkg mplayer ; /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:30.55 | Kontrabass | $(uname -r) <-- can i use this one as path or do i have to change it |
| 16:31.00 | valdyn | dwery: no, you have to do this differently |
| 16:31.09 | netcrusher88 | there is not mplayer package in the debian repositories |
| 16:31.11 | dwery | valdyn: any suggestion? |
| 16:31.19 | manphiz | netcrusher88: yes, libgtk1.2-dev, unless you use cvs, which migrated to gtk2.0 |
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| 16:31.31 | stew | Kontrabass: $(uname -r) runs "uname -r" which returns you current kernel version and uses that as a path |
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| 16:31.38 | Kontrabass | cool |
| 16:31.38 | orlowsks | Any ideas on how to trace memory allocations |
| 16:31.40 | Kontrabass | very cool |
| 16:31.51 | PerfDave | orlowsks: strace? |
| 16:31.54 | Kontrabass | so i can directly copy and paste your command :P |
| 16:32.16 | netcrusher88 | thank you |
| 16:32.20 | stew | netcrusher88: there are unofficial repositories providing mplayer for debian |
| 16:32.22 | valdyn | dwery: cd /etc/init.d/; mv apache apache.myown; updade-rc.d apache.myown <whatever> |
| 16:32.22 | blackangel | or uname -a |
| 16:32.27 | blackangel | :) |
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| 16:32.45 | systems | how to list all the installed debs from/on the command line |
| 16:32.53 | stew | systems: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 16:32.56 | dwery | valdyn: nasty. it probably won't work with heartbeat.. i have to see |
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| 16:33.06 | valdyn | dwery: why not? |
| 16:33.08 | orlowsks | will that allow me to find the application that is using the most ram? |
| 16:33.12 | valdyn | dwery: thats a very clean way |
| 16:33.12 | blackangel | help me |
| 16:33.12 | netcrusher88 | stew: i tried the marillat repositories before - for some reason they wouldn't work for me |
| 16:33.13 | systems | thanks stew |
| 16:33.24 | stew | systems: err "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" is probably more accurate |
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| 16:33.29 | kjdis | Doing a netinst, stuck on accessing external USB CD-ROM, anyone know how? |
| 16:33.32 | netcrusher88 | manphiz: thanks, i'll get those |
| 16:33.35 | blackangel | help |
| 16:33.37 | dwery | valdyn: aybe it will, but i have to do it again each time I upgrade a package if init.d/foo has changed. |
| 16:33.46 | valdyn | dwery: nope |
| 16:33.52 | manphiz | netcrusher88: ur welcome:) |
| 16:33.56 | stew | netcrusher88: if you told us why they didn't work for you we could help you. |
| 16:34.01 | PerfDave | kjdis: What are you trying to netinst from? |
| 16:34.10 | valdyn | dwery: nm, yea you have to |
| 16:34.24 | kjdis | Perf: a CD |
| 16:34.28 | valdyn | dwery: but you will be _warned_ when installinga new package |
| 16:34.31 | Kontrabass | rm: remove of ,,/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build" not possible: Is a directory |
| 16:34.35 | netcrusher88 | stew: couldn't connect - me thinks either network problems or a typo |
| 16:34.40 | netcrusher88 | likely the latter |
| 16:34.44 | PerfDave | kjdis: Hmm, the netinstall CD should have support for USB CD-ROMs, I know that the floppy kernel doesn't have USB support. |
| 16:34.46 | dwery | valdyn: yep. also, if foo is not running when I upgrade, dpkg will run it anyway |
| 16:34.47 | kjdis | I am booted in, but it can't config the CDROM to load the files |
| 16:34.47 | systems | i've got 1219 package installed |
| 16:34.48 | valdyn | dwery: i mean, a new version of a package that contains a new /etc/init.d/ script |
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| 16:35.01 | netcrusher88 | anyway mplayer build will only take ~15 minutes |
| 16:35.11 | valdyn | dwery: how could it run it? it doesnt exist |
| 16:35.12 | kjdis | Any hint as to which driver name might be correct for USB cd? |
| 16:35.25 | dwery | valdyn: because it installed the new version |
| 16:35.34 | PerfDave | netcrusher88: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 16:35.42 | valdyn | dwery: no, it doesnt do that, /etc/init.d scripts are treated as config files |
| 16:36.00 | stew | netcrusher88: his server is often overloaded and you just have to try again after waiting a moment |
| 16:36.05 | dwery | valdyn: but if I mv foo to foo.my, dpkg will not find the old file, right? |
| 16:36.18 | valdyn | dwery: correct |
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| 16:36.41 | dwery | valdyn: what will happen then? |
| 16:36.44 | stew | dwery: is missing config file will not be replaced unless you activate the confmiss option |
| 16:36.51 | stew | dwery: /msg pkg confmiss |
| 16:36.57 | stew | ^pkg^dpkg |
| 16:37.01 | systems | what is blackice-icecap? |
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| 16:37.14 | orlowsks | PerfDave: I trying to find out what application is using all my ram? |
| 16:37.32 | dwery | valdyn: saw it. I would rather prefer dpkg was configurable :( |
| 16:37.33 | bizkit | is there anything 'more error - insensible' than cat /dev/cdrom > image.iso, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso? perhaps a little tool to grab the cd and try to reread disc erros or if the disc has scratches etc.? |
| 16:37.35 | netcrusher88 | PerfDave: got that, i think that's default for mplayer anyway, and mplayer comes with debian build rules |
| 16:37.42 | valdyn | dwery: when upgrading a package having a new version of the config file you will be asked if you want to overwrite your 'custom' script ( a none existing config file is just a 'special' custom config file ) |
| 16:37.49 | PerfDave | orlowsks: top? |
| 16:37.59 | stew | orlowsks: are you swapping? |
| 16:38.03 | stew | orlowsks: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 16:38.03 | orlowsks | No |
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| 16:38.42 | valdyn | dwery: what you want is not really possible |
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| 16:39.02 | orlowsks | The numbers that top is telling me don't add up |
| 16:39.07 | valdyn | dwery: as runlevels that are supposed to contain start / stop links can change. |
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| 16:39.24 | stew | orlowsks: add them "buffers" and "cached" |
| 16:39.27 | dwery | valdyn: ack. who is that runs update-rc.d ? postinst or dpkg? |
| 16:39.27 | nostur | Hi i have problem, in console, suddenly my encoding is phuked, it looks weird, i tried changing encoding, but nothing changes, plus if i try changing font fr everything, with ever font it shows the weird characters, any ideas? |
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| 16:39.45 | oajara | valdyn: what do you mean when you say that some driver is supported "out of the box" ? |
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| 16:39.47 | valdyn | dwery: postinst |
| 16:39.56 | orlowsks | Ok thanks for the info |
| 16:39.59 | systems | what is the service blackice-icecap that listens on port 8081 |
| 16:39.59 | ma3x | uname shows 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 16:40.01 | netcrusher88 | nostur: try 'reset'? |
| 16:40.03 | ma3x | but what package is this? |
| 16:40.04 | ma3x | I can't find it |
| 16:40.07 | valdyn | oajara: .. that your hardware jsut works |
| 16:40.11 | dwery | valdyn: and I suppose postinst is the one who starts the foo daemon too, right? |
| 16:40.22 | abrotman | nostur: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:40.26 | stew | ma3x: it was removed since 2.6.12 and 2.6.14 are available in etch and sid |
| 16:40.27 | valdyn | dwery: yes |
| 16:40.35 | dwery | valdyn: ok, no way out :-D |
| 16:40.45 | ma3x | stew, why is it not available to me? I don't see it |
| 16:40.52 | raden | is there any software out ther like teambuilder that allows you to use several machines processing power to compile programs |
| 16:40.52 | ma3x | stew, should I update my sources? |
| 16:41.06 | stew | ma3x: 2.6.12 isn't available? |
| 16:41.10 | nostur | abrotman: its for fck, everything in friekn encoding |
| 16:41.12 | ma3x | stew, 2.6.11 |
| 16:41.20 | ma3x | stew, no, its not available |
| 16:41.34 | ma3x | 2.6.11 nor 12 |
| 16:41.39 | stew | ma3x: 2.6.11 was removed and is no longer available. if you really need 2.6.11 and not 2.6.12 then /msg dpkg sdn |
| 16:41.44 | dwery | valdyn: what is the cleanest way to run a script on startup? |
| 16:41.45 | stew | ma3x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:41.49 | nostur | netcrusher88: if i type in console reset, it just clears the buffer and nuthin else happens |
| 16:41.53 | ma3x | stew, I dont really need 2.6.11 |
| 16:42.01 | ma3x | if there is a newer one, I'd like to get it. Sid |
| 16:42.03 | PerfDave | raden: distcc? |
| 16:42.06 | stew | ma3x: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 16:42.09 | valdyn | dwery: /etc/init.d/README |
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| 16:42.23 | netcrusher88 | nostur: alright, then try abrotman's tip in another terminal |
| 16:42.32 | ma3x | stew, I see it, ok |
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| 16:42.36 | ma3x | I thought the name is kernel package |
| 16:42.40 | ma3x | I forgot, shit. |
| 16:42.42 | ma3x | thanks steW! |
| 16:42.55 | raden | PerfDave, hmmm... |
| 16:42.56 | dwery | valdyn: got it. I meant if there was some global startup script so that I can add my commands to it |
| 16:43.08 | ma3x | stew, should I install the headers too? |
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| 16:43.13 | valdyn | dwery: there isnt |
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| 16:43.26 | dwery | valdyn: ok. thank, you've been very kind! |
| 16:43.28 | valdyn | dwery: there's scripts you _could_ add it to, but i wouldnt consider that clean at all |
| 16:43.28 | stew | ma3x: only if you are going to compile a 3rd party module |
| 16:43.35 | ma3x | and stew do you know why 2.6.11 was removed? insecure or what? |
| 16:43.38 | Xenguy | dwery: 2 options are bootmisc.sh and skeleton |
| 16:43.42 | stew | ma3x: obsolete |
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| 16:43.56 | nostur | netcrusher88:i figured out way to see what it prints, i jsut copy it into another program :D and still friken encoding |
| 16:44.01 | Xenguy | dwery: depending on what you need to do |
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| 16:44.23 | stew | ma3x: the goal is to always keep testing in a releasable state if possible, and with 2.6.12 available testing would not be released with 2.6.11 |
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| 16:44.49 | ma3x | stew: I remember back in time, I installed some modules with the module assistant |
| 16:44.50 | ma3x | how can I remove them |
| 16:44.51 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 16:44.56 | ma3x | mod-as. doesnt have that option |
| 16:44.59 | ma3x | right? |
| 16:45.01 | dwery | Xenguy: just need to call a couple of command, but I do not want to alter existing scripts unless they were planned for such (anyone remembers user-startup on the amiga?) |
| 16:45.01 | dwery | :D |
| 16:45.11 | stew | ma3x: dpkg -r packagename |
| 16:45.26 | netcrusher88 | nostur: it's an xterm? |
| 16:45.33 | stew | ma3x: m-a creates and installs .debs ; if you are going to be installing modules for 2.6.12 with m-a you will need the kernel-headers |
| 16:45.48 | netcrusher88 | window 5 |
| 16:45.53 | netcrusher88 | sry |
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| 16:46.14 | PerfDave | stew: m-a will download any headers it needs :) |
| 16:46.14 | kjdis | FOr my USB cdrom issue, should I use the latest netinst? |
| 16:46.17 | ma3x | stew, I am installing 2.6.14 now. Why 2.6.12? |
| 16:46.25 | kjdis | the beta one I believe they refer to it as |
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| 16:46.41 | Xenguy | dwery: bootmisc.sh is as the name implies; skeleton can be copied to your own script, modified (then activate symlinks with update-rc.d) |
| 16:47.07 | john_doe | what is a good guide about migrating to udev? |
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| 16:47.18 | stew | PerfDave: ahh didn't know m-a would fetch headers, cool |
| 16:47.25 | ma3x | hey stew: one more question plz! |
| 16:47.29 | stew | ma3x: oh if you are on sid go ahead with 2.6.14 |
| 16:47.35 | dwery | Xenguy: thanks |
| 16:47.36 | nostur | netcrusher88: eh dunno, how i can figure it/ |
| 16:47.39 | ma3x | stew: on boot I get a message /etc/network/options is deprecated |
| 16:47.42 | Xenguy | dwery: yw |
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| 16:47.47 | ma3x | what does that mean? |
| 16:47.57 | stew | ma3x: yes use /etc/sysctl.conf ; man sysctl ; man sysctl.conf |
| 16:48.03 | ma3x | I mean /etc/network/options has just 3 lines I think. And why is it saying depratecd |
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| 16:48.50 | ma3x | stew, I did not exactly understand. Deprecated means missing something, or like messed up? |
| 16:48.51 | oajara | i rememeber you i was dealing with an undetected scsi controller in a HP PROLIANT doing a woody installation procedure. I started a sarge floppy instalation and the device was detected OK!! Thanks very much!!! |
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| 16:49.26 | raden | PerfDave, that looks like itll work thanks |
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| 16:49.35 | ma3x | stew, in /etc/sysctl.conf I have absolutely nothing uncommented |
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| 16:50.06 | ma3x | stew, hold on, I'll be back |
| 16:50.08 | ma3x | gotta reboot |
| 16:50.26 | poop | If your motherboard doesn't have legacy mode for SATA, what bootloader do you use? |
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| 16:51.10 | rvalles | poop: you mean your BIOS cannot see the ATA drives at all? |
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| 16:51.39 | rvalles | poop: you either use a floppy with grub and the kernels on it |
| 16:52.01 | rvalles | poop: or plug some HD that the bios sees |
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| 16:52.07 | rvalles | poop: and put grub and the /boot partition there |
| 16:52.22 | rvalles | poop: root can be in the SATA disk... once loaded, the linux kernel will be able to see it. |
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| 16:52.59 | poop | rvalles: It's very strange. I already have an ide drive in there, which grub fails to boot if the sata controller is turned on. |
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| 16:53.30 | rvalles | poop: oh |
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| 16:53.36 | nostur | netcrusher88: how i can figure out if its xterm? i see only Gnome Terminal |
| 16:53.37 | poop | The controller firmware sees the SATA drive, of course. |
| 16:53.37 | rvalles | poop: then, I suspect something else |
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| 16:53.57 | rvalles | poop: for instance... maybe grub's (hd0) now is 1 or 2 or 3 or whatever |
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| 16:54.06 | rvalles | poop: because it got moved by the SATA disks. |
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| 16:54.30 | rvalles | poop: oh, btw |
| 16:54.35 | rvalles | poop: can "grub" load the kernel at all? |
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| 16:54.51 | rvalles | poop: or it fails before the kernel even begins to start? |
| 16:54.55 | poop | rvalles: I played with grub2 briefly, but it didn't work under unstable. |
| 16:55.19 | poop | rvalles: It gets the the second stage/step, but never loads the menu |
| 16:55.22 | rvalles | grub2 is fun, but I seriously doubt it can be of any help to you |
| 16:55.28 | rvalles | ok, so grub doesn't find his own self. |
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| 16:55.36 | rvalles | I have "an idea", poop |
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| 16:57.15 | rvalles | poop: can you boot from a livecd |
| 16:57.18 | rvalles | poop: when it is enabled? |
| 16:57.24 | john_doe | what repository is distributing emacs? |
| 16:57.29 | bizkit | also ich hab deine (media reduced +sp2) und noch ne orig winxp prof |
| 16:57.32 | poop | rvalles: I've been booting from knoppix, yeah |
| 16:57.36 | rvalles | poop: ok |
| 16:57.46 | john_doe | oh, I see it's just called emacs21 |
| 16:57.50 | rvalles | poop: run "grub" from knoppix |
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| 16:57.58 | rvalles | poop: like if you wanted to install grub again |
| 16:57.58 | bizkit | <-- is just new with irssi's split windows, sorry |
| 16:58.06 | rvalles | poop: root (hd0) |
| 16:58.07 | poop | rvalles: I have, on both the ide and sata drives |
| 16:58.14 | grendal_prime | by the way stew that worked great |
| 16:58.14 | rvalles | poop: root (hd0,0) or whatever |
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| 16:58.29 | rvalles | it should say "partition is ext2" or whatever it is |
| 16:58.37 | rvalles | and you should be able to see the files on it |
| 16:58.38 | grendal_prime | the java deal and now open office went in really smooth |
| 16:58.51 | rvalles | (the kernel) |
| 16:59.12 | rvalles | if that works, then setup (hdwhateveryouwanttoinstallthembrthingon) |
| 16:59.15 | rvalles | and then quit |
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| 16:59.40 | rvalles | what I suspect is that the "bios names" for disks actually change when you enable the controller, grendal_prime |
| 16:59.44 | rvalles | err, poop |
| 16:59.55 | poop | yeah, seems feasible |
| 16:59.56 | rvalles | and then grub goes to the wrong disk to get stage2 from |
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| 17:02.22 | dwery | valdyn , Xenguy : policy-rc.d will do the trick. and i can setup apt to execute update-rc.d foo remove in Dpkg::Post-Invoke |
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| 17:03.08 | poop | rvalles: grub-install /dev/[hs]hda has been working, so I'm not sure this will be any different |
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| 17:03.18 | poop | "working" in that there were no errors |
| 17:03.36 | Kontrabass | valdyn: Can i maybe om you? |
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| 17:03.49 | Kontrabass | *pm |
| 17:03.53 | ma3x | stew, since I booted from the new kernel i got this problem |
| 17:03.58 | ma3x | pcmcia: Detected deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage. |
| 17:04.00 | ma3x | pcmcia: This interface will soon be removed from the kernel; please expect breakage unless you upgrade to new tools. pcmcia: see http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/pcmcia.html for details. |
| 17:04.05 | ma3x | What should I do? |
| 17:04.25 | stew | ma3x: deprecated means "this is the old way, it still works, but there is a better newer way, and someday the old way will stop working, please move to the new way" |
| 17:04.48 | Kontrabass | hylafax:/usr/src/fritz# rm /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ; ln -s /usr/src/kenre |
| 17:04.49 | Kontrabass | l-source-$(uname -r) /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 17:05.04 | Kontrabass | that commando was right or not? |
| 17:05.44 | stew | ma3x: i wouldnt' worrry about it just yet |
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| 17:05.57 | grendal_prime | wow all that in one word..."depricated" |
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| 17:06.10 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 17:06.18 | ma3x | stew, when I booted to the new kernel my wireless is not working |
| 17:06.19 | ma3x | what do I do? |
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| 17:06.25 | grendal_prime | im on my way to a meeting...i think i can use that at it |
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| 17:06.33 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
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| 17:06.38 | ma3x | stew, normally ndiswrapper was loading my drivers |
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| 17:06.58 | john_doe | I'm trying to find my cd-rom drive. I have "hdd=ide-scsi" in grub.conf, but it doesn't seem to show up in /dev (using udev) |
| 17:07.12 | john_doe | Do I miss installing a package? |
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| 17:07.17 | stew | ma3x: are the drivers loaded now? are they listed in /etc/modules? or was hotplug previously loading them? sorry i dont' know much about ndiswrapper |
| 17:07.30 | stew | john_doe: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:07.49 | ma3x | stew, the drivers are loaded now because pcmcia starts |
| 17:07.55 | ma3x | stew, but with this new kernel it wont start up |
| 17:07.56 | xam | john_doe: do you have scsi generic and scsi cdrom support in the kernel? |
| 17:07.57 | john_doe | stew: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 17:08.02 | ma3x | did you see those few lines I pasted earlier |
| 17:08.04 | stew | ma3x: what is the name of the driver? |
| 17:08.22 | stew | john_doe: don't use ide-scsi with 2.6 kernels, you dont' need it |
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| 17:08.27 | john_doe | xam: I use the 2.6.8-2-386 kernel from the linux26 install |
| 17:08.52 | john_doe | stew: isn't it faster anymore? |
| 17:09.01 | ma3x | stew, I forgot it's somewhere in /lib. But that's not important. First pcmcia must start! or? |
| 17:09.19 | Kontrabass | stew: is that right so: "/lib/modules# rm build; ln -s /usr/src/$(uname -r)/build" |
| 17:09.19 | hent | Hi im running 2.6.8.1 stable, and just can't get that second last fish in tuxracer lvl3 :( |
| 17:09.19 | john_doe | stew: and can I use cdrecord then? |
| 17:09.19 | stew | john_doe: i never heard of it being faster |
| 17:09.29 | ma3x | stew, pcmcia: Detected deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage. |
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| 17:09.34 | slapin | Hi, all!!! Do anyone knows how do they configure DNS zone delegation over email and ripe-049 forms? |
| 17:09.34 | stew | john_doe: cdrecord doesn't need it anymore, just cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd |
| 17:09.34 | ma3x | what should I do about that? |
| 17:09.46 | john_doe | stew: ok, cool |
| 17:09.55 | Lilldude10 | Links browser what comand starts it as user |
| 17:10.00 | S4nD3r | Is possible I discover a IP from my LAN, that is in another IP range?? |
| 17:10.05 | stew | Kontrabass: no, that's not right, i thought you had the right on previously |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | slapin: #dns ? |
| 17:10.28 | stew | hylafax:/usr/src/fritz# rm /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ; ln -s /usr/src/kenrel-source-$(uname -r) /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 17:10.48 | Kontrabass | hmm cause its still not working :( |
| 17:10.48 | ma3x | stew, what I have now is ii pcmcia-cs 3.2.8-5.2 PCMCIA Card Services for Linux |
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| 17:11.07 | Kontrabass | should there be a folder /build in $(uname -r) ? |
| 17:11.22 | stew | ma3x: that is not a wireless card driver |
| 17:11.34 | slapin | abrotman: I thinking mostly about scripts |
| 17:11.42 | abrotman | ok .. if you say so |
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| 17:11.56 | stew | Kontrabass: no, you should be removing an old 'build' symlink from /lib/modules/$(uanme -r) and replacing it with a new symlink |
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| 17:12.57 | stew | ma3x: i'm guessing that whatever module you need for your wireless card was previously loaded by hotplug, but hotplug got removed when you upgraded udev and now its not being loaded, you need to figure out what driver your card needs and list it in /etc/modules |
| 17:12.59 | Daveman | abrotman :) |
| 17:13.24 | stew | S4nD3r: you can ping another network address or another broadcast address and see who responds |
| 17:13.32 | ma3x | stew, but its a windows driver, so ndiswrapper was always loading it |
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| 17:14.20 | aminorex | anybody tried debian on the new sun t1000 or t2000 yet? |
| 17:14.22 | stew | ma3x: i don't know anything about ndiswrapper, but some driver needs to be loaded into the knerel, i don't know if it would be named "ndiswrapper" or something else |
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| 17:14.44 | stew | ma3x: check dpkg's logs and see if hotplug just got removed, if so this is your problem |
| 17:15.01 | stew | ma3x: i mean your problem is that hotplug used to load the driver for you and no longer does |
| 17:15.03 | seeds | hello how i enable sound in debian? |
| 17:15.14 | ma3x | stew, listen |
| 17:15.19 | ma3x | now I have ndiswrapper in /etc/modules |
| 17:15.19 | stew | seeds: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:15.23 | ircdevil | !audio |
| 17:15.23 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 17:15.26 | Kontrabass | damnit :( |
| 17:15.33 | stew | ma3x: is ndiswrapper loaded? |
| 17:15.36 | ma3x | but when I boot in 2.6.14 kernel, what happens? |
| 17:15.39 | ma3x | stew, YES |
| 17:15.41 | seeds | k |
| 17:15.47 | seeds | thnx am a try that |
| 17:15.59 | ma3x | stew, but maybe when I boot in 2.6.14 no??? |
| 17:16.06 | stew | ma3x: if you remove it and re-insert it you get the error about the deprecated ioctl? |
| 17:16.10 | vassagus | a good manual for drivers installation on linux? |
| 17:16.19 | stew | vassagus: what drivers? |
| 17:16.30 | vassagus | i mean like network video etc |
| 17:16.38 | ma3x | stew, now probably not, but should I boot with 2.6.14 and see? |
| 17:16.45 | stew | vassagus: most drivers should already be installed by the kernel that debian installs |
| 17:17.09 | Lilldude10 | trying to configure x86 gettinf eroor cannot find comand |
| 17:17.12 | stew | ma3x: what kernel are you running now? |
| 17:17.15 | Kontrabass | back in a bit, need to change irc |
| 17:17.16 | vincent` | anyone used a 3ware 9550SX w/ debian ? |
| 17:17.17 | Lilldude10 | what is wrong |
| 17:17.35 | ma3x | stew, now 2.6.11 (currently with ndiswrapper working) |
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| 17:17.35 | seeds | uname -r says 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 17:17.37 | stew | ma3x: did you install ndiswrapper for 2.6.14 using m-a after install 2.6.14? |
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| 17:17.46 | stew | seeds: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 17:17.51 | ma3x | stew, no, but listen this |
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| 17:17.57 | seeds | k |
| 17:17.57 | vassagus | i mean thats becouse i have a cd with the drivers of my mainboard, and i want to learn how i install that modules into the kernel, and how i can configure to use it as the default controlers |
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| 17:18.17 | stew | ma3x: if you didn't install ndiswrapper in 2.6.14 then ndiswrapper won't work in 2.6.14 |
| 17:18.20 | john_doe | I need to run a command at every boot. In what config file can I write that command? |
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| 17:18.27 | ma3x | stew, I had put ndiswrapper on "hold" because if I had updated, it wouldn't have worked |
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| 17:18.37 | ma3x | stew, so is there a ndiswrapper package for 2.6.14? |
| 17:18.41 | valdyn | john_doe: /etc/init.d/README |
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| 17:18.54 | stew | ma3x: no, you have to compile it with m-a |
| 17:18.54 | seeds | it says no such or directory |
| 17:18.58 | stew | john_doe: what command? |
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| 17:19.06 | stew | seeds: type that into your irc client |
| 17:19.08 | john_doe | valdyn: I don't want to write an initscript. I just need to execute one command. |
| 17:19.13 | seeds | oh ok |
| 17:19.16 | ma3x | stew, how would I do that? |
| 17:19.18 | stew | seeds: "dpkg" is the name of a bot here that will respoond |
| 17:19.18 | valdyn | john_doe: so? |
| 17:19.23 | seeds | ok |
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| 17:19.28 | cr3 | in screen, how can I jump to screen #10 for example? |
| 17:19.28 | valdyn | john_doe: have you read that README ? |
| 17:19.29 | Rus01 | stew: did use debian kernel - no changes in /dv |
| 17:19.30 | stew | !m-a ma3x ndiswrapper |
| 17:19.30 | dpkg | ma3x: to compile and install ndiswrapper for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uanme -r) && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper ; if this works echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 17:20.17 | stew | !cmd m-a (.*) (.*): =~ s#kernel-headers-$(uname -r)## |
| 17:20.17 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd m-a (.*) (.*):' to modify, stew |
| 17:20.28 | stew | !cmd m-a (.*) (.*) =~ s#kernel-headers-$(uname -r)## |
| 17:20.28 | dpkg | stew: i didn't have anything called 'cmd m-a (.*) (.*)' to modify |
| 17:20.41 | ma3x | stew, alright thanks a lot, i'll try |
| 17:20.42 | stew | ma3x: leave the kernel-headers part out |
| 17:20.50 | valdyn | cr3: ctrl-a,q |
| 17:20.52 | john_doe | stew: It's because I need to enable wol on my nic. So it's "/usr/sbin/ethtool -s eth0 wol g". Earlier, I have done this by making a script in /usr/local/sbin and then called it from a file in /etc. I just can't remember what file.... |
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| 17:21.28 | ma3x | hey stew |
| 17:21.36 | SimonRaven | stew: one too many (.*) and it's (.*?) |
| 17:21.39 | john_doe | valdyn: I'll read it now |
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| 17:21.40 | stew | john_doe: edit /etc/network interfaces and add "up /usr/bin/ethtool -s eth0 wol g" to the eth0 section |
| 17:21.48 | valdyn | cr3: ops, i mixed that one up with irssi i think.. |
| 17:21.51 | stew | !cmd m-a (.*?) (.*?) =~ s#kernel-headers-$(uname -r)## |
| 17:21.51 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd m-a (.*?) (.*?)' to modify, stew |
| 17:21.56 | ma3x | but how would I do those steps for the m-a, since when I boot into the new kernel, I wouldn't be able to access the net |
| 17:22.01 | stew | SimonRaven: no its 2 (.*?)'s |
| 17:22.28 | Rus01 | stew: 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 17:22.33 | cr3 | valdyn: interesting, I'm using irsii as well. in screen ctrl-a,q sends ctrl-q to the window |
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| 17:22.36 | SimonRaven | oh 'cause of the 2 args, yeh |
| 17:22.45 | cr3 | valdyn: what does it do in irsii, just out of curiosity? |
| 17:22.45 | seeds | brb |
| 17:22.50 | john_doe | stew: That was what I did! I just couldn't get it working with more than the command itself so I made the one-line script. |
| 17:23.05 | bbrazil | stew: try 'CMD: m-a' etc. |
| 17:23.18 | stew | i'll try to fix the factoid in /msg |
| 17:23.27 | valdyn | cr3: oh, its alt-X in irssi to switch windows, alt-q comes after alt-9 |
| 17:23.52 | SimonRaven | yeh, $factoid CMD: (.*?) (.*?) =~ |
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| 17:23.58 | cr3 | valdyn: oh, right! thanks, I had forgotten those because I rarely have more than 10 channels open |
| 17:24.00 | dippo | hi. I have a tarball of all the data that was on my system drive that i am attempting to untar back onto a new drive |
| 17:24.03 | dippo | for some reason when I untar, the symbolic links in the tarball are converted to 0-byte files |
| 17:24.10 | dippo | any ideas? the filesystem is ext3 |
| 17:24.11 | azeem | cr3: lucky guy |
| 17:24.13 | valdyn | cr3: or alt-0 even |
| 17:24.27 | cr3 | azeem: lucky? do you have to be in so many channels at once? |
| 17:24.37 | azeem | cr3: well, probably not |
| 17:24.44 | stew | SimonRaven: bbrazil fixed, i was forgetting the : in cmd: |
| 17:24.54 | cr3 | azeem: by the way, I'm sure irssi and a few scripts could make life quite pleasurable for more than 10 channels |
| 17:24.56 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 17:25.26 | john_doe | Stew: yes I got it the first time. What I wanted to tell you, is that you gave me exactly the solution I was looking for |
| 17:25.46 | jbroome | azeem: i thought i was bad with 20 |
| 17:25.51 | cr3 | azeem: Act is quite useful for that, and I use the hilight.pl script in case people talk to me directly. I certainly wouldn't want to ignore such people :) |
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| 17:26.26 | bbrazil | cr3: hilight is a standard feature of irssi |
| 17:26.28 | azeem | cr3: yeah, I do that |
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| 17:26.57 | azeem | my biggest problem is *ignoring* those yellow acts :) |
| 17:27.00 | cr3 | bbrazil: cheers, I'll try removing the explicit script then. |
| 17:27.09 | bnoji | If a shell script calls another shell script, will the original script wait for the second to finish before continuing? |
| 17:27.22 | bbrazil | cr3: you have to config it for anything other than your nick |
| 17:27.23 | valdyn | bnoji: yea |
| 17:27.28 | azeem | cr3: maybe hilight is useful for other-than-your-nick highlights, like when some people address you by your first name |
| 17:27.35 | bnoji | I have a backup script that I want to wait for another support script to complete before proceeding |
| 17:27.52 | stew | azeem: but you still wouldn't need a separate script in irssi |
| 17:27.59 | azeem | stew: ah, ok |
| 17:28.02 | bnoji | valdyn: I dont need any kind of sleep or loop? |
| 17:28.13 | valdyn | bnoji: nope |
| 17:28.24 | bbrazil | bnoji: not unless you really want to |
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| 17:28.28 | valdyn | bnoji: unless your backup script detaches itself |
| 17:28.40 | bnoji | bbrazil: I wasnt sure if the script continues execution in parallel |
| 17:28.58 | umuench | hello |
| 17:29.01 | valdyn | bnoji: this would quickly become messy in a 1000 line script |
| 17:29.02 | bnoji | valdyn: system-backup.sh calls "./backup-mysql.sh" |
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| 17:30.00 | michael | is it possible to copy a whole debian installation from /dev/hda1 (incl swap stuff to another drive and boot from the new one? |
| 17:30.27 | Duelist | michael: it's possible if you're careful |
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| 17:30.30 | qubix` | I'm having an issue with Loading module 'sd_mod" for scsi disk support it keeps freezeing at 91% even after using the boot options linux26 |
| 17:30.39 | michael | Duelist: I'd love to do this ... |
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| 17:30.52 | umuench | can I "update" the sources.list before burning the cd/dvd and install debian? |
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| 17:31.06 | qubix` | The version of debian is sarge |
| 17:31.07 | Duelist | michael: the way I've done it is put both drives in one computer temporarily, and use something like GNU Parted to copy everything to the new drive |
| 17:31.09 | valdyn | umuench: what the hell for? |
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| 17:31.21 | Duelist | while you're doing the copy you may as well e2defrag each fs on the new drive |
| 17:31.28 | michael | what's gnu parted? |
| 17:31.34 | ke6isf | umuench: Are you doing a net install? |
| 17:31.37 | ke6isf | !parted |
| 17:31.38 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 17:31.42 | Duelist | michael: GPL replacement for Partition Magic |
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| 17:32.13 | fer | hola |
| 17:32.29 | ke6isf | !es |
| 17:32.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:32.30 | fer | algun |
| 17:32.43 | umuench | okay...I can update the sources.list after installing but I would like to edit the sources.list before burning the Image-Version of the DVD (from jigdo) |
| 17:32.59 | umuench | is it possible? |
| 17:33.00 | azeem | umuench: what do you want to change? |
| 17:33.03 | ke6isf | umuench: Yes, but why? |
| 17:33.03 | umuench | (newbie) |
| 17:33.05 | valdyn | umuench: again.. WHY? |
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| 17:33.56 | fer | #debian-es |
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| 17:34.18 | SimonRaven | /join #debian-es |
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| 17:34.28 | umuench | the debian install (sources.list) told me, that I have the testing...not stable? |
| 17:34.43 | john_doe | stew: thank you for helping |
| 17:34.47 | valdyn | umuench: so you downloaded the wrong dvd? |
| 17:34.53 | umuench | but i´ve got the neweset entry on debian.org for jigdo |
| 17:34.54 | ke6isf | umuench: OK, then download stable instead of testing. |
| 17:35.09 | umuench | I´ve done...but isn´t so! |
| 17:35.17 | valdyn | umuench: why do you download the testing dvd with jigdo? |
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| 17:35.35 | ke6isf | umuench: You never answered my original question - is this the netinstall image you pulled? |
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| 17:35.55 | valdyn | umuench: using a testing installer to install sarge is fucked up, just dont even try |
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| 17:36.09 | umuench | no...the whole image for dvd |
| 17:36.10 | stjepan | hello |
| 17:36.14 | dippo | it appears to be any symbolic link in the tarball that references an absolute path |
| 17:36.18 | dippo | when I untar, it gets flattened into a 0-byte file |
| 17:36.20 | umuench | dvd #1 and dvd#2 |
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| 17:36.44 | umuench | and the sources#1-3 |
| 17:36.52 | harfooz | hi all. I am trying to install ndiswrapper on my sid t42 with Intel 2200BG card. The link for the required driver from intel is a file ending in .exe. How do I extract .exe files to find the .inf files? |
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| 17:37.05 | valdyn | almost funny, downloading 5 dvds for nothing |
| 17:37.07 | ke6isf | umuench: Then leave it alone, it's fine. |
| 17:37.25 | ke6isf | umuench: That said, you can always just download netinstall. Works great. |
| 17:37.33 | stjepan | I am buying a new computer. Pls have a look at http://pastebin.com/452669 Will all those hardware work on Linux without installing tons of drivers? |
| 17:37.35 | cr3 | why doesn't "dpkg -l '*drop*'" return anything whereas "apt-get install eggdrop" actually proceeds to install that package? shouldn't "dpkg -l" list me the packages matching the regular expression? |
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| 17:37.50 | Duelist | cr3: probably because dpkg doesn't do wildcards |
| 17:37.51 | Duelist | ? |
| 17:38.00 | valdyn | cr3: apt-get doesnt take regular expressions or placeholders |
| 17:38.09 | valdyn | cr3: err, that should mean dpkg doesnt.. |
| 17:38.10 | stew | cr3: dpkg -l | grep drop |
| 17:38.21 | azeem | castor~/results/am2hh_cn/mrci/pes$ dpkg -l '*drop*' | tail -1 |
| 17:38.21 | azeem | ii maildrop 1.5.3-1.1sarge mail delivery agent with filtering abilities |
| 17:38.22 | ke6isf | stjepan: You'll be fine. |
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| 17:38.23 | valdyn | cr3: while apt-get does |
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| 17:38.38 | stjepan | ke6isf: I want to be 100% sure |
| 17:38.51 | azeem | cr3: dpkg -l doesn't know much about not installed packages I think |
| 17:38.51 | ke6isf | stjepan: OK, you'll very much be fine. |
| 17:39.03 | cr3 | stew: dpkg -l | grep drop doesn't return anything either |
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| 17:39.24 | umuench | question for deb-packages... |
| 17:39.24 | valdyn | oh wow, i was wrong. |
| 17:39.29 | ke6isf | stjepan: None of it's nvidia, so it'll just run with the generic stuff. Just make note of the video card for the x server. |
| 17:39.33 | stjepan | ke6isf: what hardware of those may not work? |
| 17:39.47 | stjepan | _may_ |
| 17:39.50 | cr3 | stew: the -l argument only seems to show installed packages, how can I list uninstalled ones as well? |
| 17:40.04 | umuench | what are the options in binaries (no sources) like ldap and samba e.g. |
| 17:40.09 | valdyn | cr3: use apt-cache search instead |
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| 17:40.16 | umuench | also like the sources? |
| 17:40.16 | Rus01 | stew: is there another way to make the driver to create devices |
| 17:40.17 | cr3 | valdyn: I see, thanks |
| 17:40.24 | ke6isf | stjepan: Well, any of it *may* not work due to hardware faults, but assuming that no such faults exist, you'll be fine. |
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| 17:40.30 | azeem | cr3: or maybe something like grep-available |
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| 17:40.48 | Rus01 | stew: when i connect the phone it does create massive storage devices |
| 17:40.50 | stjepan | ke6isf: good. What about speakers? |
| 17:40.58 | umuench | is there anybody, who can skeak german? |
| 17:40.59 | valdyn | !tell umuench -about smart questions |
| 17:41.03 | azeem | umuench: #debian.de |
| 17:41.05 | valdyn | !de |
| 17:41.05 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 17:41.06 | Rus01 | stew: sda & sda1 |
| 17:41.09 | umuench | okay |
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| 17:41.22 | ke6isf | stjepan: They're speakers. It plugs it into the audio out port on the sound card. |
| 17:41.23 | stjepan | are ATI Radeon and Tux friends? :) |
| 17:41.34 | ke6isf | stjepan: You're new to computers aren't you? |
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| 17:41.44 | nvz | Rus01: mkdir /media/phone/; mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/phone |
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| 17:41.48 | azeem | stjepan: depends on the particular type of both Radeon and Tux |
| 17:42.09 | stjepan | ke6isf: not really (btw I am 14). I just don't know so much of hardware. I prefer software development and programming |
| 17:42.10 | Rus01 | nvz: :) i knew that |
| 17:42.14 | nvz | Rus01: if that works I would add a line to fstab "/dev/sda1 /media/phone vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 17:42.27 | Rus01 | nvz: i need more than that |
| 17:42.30 | nvz | Rus01: that way you could usermount it easily from say a panel applet |
| 17:42.39 | valdyn | stjepan: old radeons are, new radeons arent |
| 17:42.42 | fry | hey, uh, I'm trying to manually install mod_fcgid here since the debian package is like 3/4 a year out of date and the newer one fixes some important bugs, but, the makefile wants a special.mk which doesn't seem to exist on my filesystem, does anyone know anything? |
| 17:42.43 | Rus01 | nvz: need access tj the phone memory |
| 17:43.13 | Rus01 | nvz: internal not flash card |
| 17:43.16 | nvz | Rus01: oh?! well the phones internal memory doesnt seem to be a usb mass storage device |
| 17:43.16 | ke6isf | stjepan: Well, that in mind, like I sez, you should be fine. The only issues I can see are with nvidia cards, and you don't seem to have one, so go install your head off. |
| 17:43.21 | stjepan | what do your recommend? ATI Radeon 9550 128MB DDR TV-out or Gainward GF 6600 PCX, 128MB, TV-out, DVI? |
| 17:43.25 | vincent` | i just installed debian on a 3ware 9550SX card, the installer didn't recognize the controller automatically, i had to insmod 3w-9xxx.ko, where do i tell the installed system to load this module at boot time now ? /etc/modules ? |
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| 17:43.25 | poop | Screw you, grub. |
| 17:43.36 | poop | Actually, screw you, x86, because booting is not hard. |
| 17:43.38 | Rus01 | nvz: it isnt |
| 17:43.48 | azeem | stjepan: well, most of them will do 2D. Do you need 3D? |
| 17:43.51 | valdyn | stjepan: that nvidia card should be much better even before you consider driver support |
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| 17:43.59 | stjepan | azeem: yeah, I need 3D |
| 17:44.03 | Rus01 | nvz: it suposed to comunicate through acm driver |
| 17:44.12 | fatal | vincent`: yes (and use modprobe, insmod can hurt you badly) |
| 17:44.22 | nvz | Rus01: no idea. never heard of it. |
| 17:44.27 | Rus01 | nvz: buy the driver wont create device strings |
| 17:44.32 | nvz | Rus01: I just got a cell phone a week ago :P |
| 17:44.39 | nvz | Rus01: and it was one of the free ones :P |
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| 17:44.43 | stjepan | azeem: Gainward will not do 3D? |
| 17:44.54 | vincent` | fatal: oh hrm ok modprobe, but how is it going to read /etc/modules if the booting drive is on the 3ware card ? |
| 17:44.55 | samuel | ive lost sound from flash animations in mozilla, anyone know how to change the default sound output from auto to ESD or ALSA in mozilla? what package do i need to reconfigure? |
| 17:44.58 | Rus01 | :) |
| 17:44.59 | azeem | stjepan: probably not using Open Source drivers, anyway |
| 17:45.04 | stjepan | azeem: the paper says that it is a GAMER card |
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| 17:45.15 | valdyn | stjepan: only if you use nvidias proprietary driver |
| 17:45.16 | azeem | stjepan: well, the hardware is alright, no doubt |
| 17:45.16 | Rus01 | any help dear debian users? |
| 17:45.33 | nvz | Rus01: drivers dont create device nodes. they just connect the hardware to the device node. I guess udev is an exception |
| 17:45.37 | valdyn | stjepan: which should be fine functionally |
| 17:45.50 | stew | nvz: udev is not a driver creating a device node |
| 17:46.02 | nvz | Rus01: what are you trying to do anyhow? |
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| 17:46.14 | Rus01 | nvz: wooops |
| 17:46.18 | samuel | Rus01, phones got bluetooth? mabe you can use that? |
| 17:46.28 | nvz | stew: no I know.. but in udev as I understand the device node are not static, they are created on the fly |
| 17:46.49 | Rus01 | nvz: i just noticed a lot of device strings in my home directory |
| 17:46.54 | stew | nvz: yes, but your original statement of drivers not creating device nodes is still correct. udev is all userspace |
| 17:47.00 | nvz | stew: I've never used it.. but I was just pointing out that device nodes arent created like that traditionally, but modern programs do that |
| 17:47.04 | Rus01 | i wonder how they got there |
| 17:47.12 | stjepan | so Gainward GF 6600 is really really all right? |
| 17:47.30 | Rus01 | bluetooth is slow |
| 17:47.32 | stew | Rus01: from you running makdedev in the wrong directory |
| 17:47.48 | nvz | Rus01: I have no idea what you mean by device strings.. and I dont now what you are trying to do with this phone |
| 17:47.49 | valdyn | stjepan: for what? gaming on linux? |
| 17:47.53 | Rus01 | probably :) |
| 17:48.10 | stjepan | valdyn: gaming on windows |
| 17:48.15 | nvz | stew: Its MAKEDEV, IIRC and it should err out if not run from /dev |
| 17:48.17 | Rus01 | nvz: having acces too it |
| 17:48.25 | valdyn | stjepan: anandtech or tomshardware would know that better |
| 17:48.27 | stjepan | valdyn: I just do not want to install drivers on Linux |
| 17:48.31 | S4nD3r | Is possible I discover a IP from my LAN, that is in another IP range?? |
| 17:48.31 | Roey | wow, a crazy thought, Debian GNU/ntkrnl |
| 17:48.32 | stjepan | that's the reason |
| 17:48.37 | Rus01 | nvz: for reflashing loading java apps etc |
| 17:48.41 | S4nD3r | I was out of computer... I didnt see the message |
| 17:48.42 | nvz | Rus01: for what purpose? that memory only stores the lower end of your phone book and other insignificant information probably |
| 17:48.51 | valdyn | stjepan: i think you will have to install drivers in linux for that card |
| 17:49.02 | valdyn | stjepan: that is plain simple too though |
| 17:49.03 | Rus01 | to load java apps |
| 17:49.03 | stjepan | :( |
| 17:49.05 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:49.05 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 17:49.40 | nvz | Rus01: I access mine using the 3g website. I subscribed to 3gupload.com for like $7 and I can d/l their ringers, photos, games, and apps, and even use their site to store personal files and transfer them between my phone and send messages...etc |
| 17:49.49 | nvz | Rus01: not a bad deal for a 6 month membership |
| 17:49.49 | numist | thats a handy one-liner |
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| 17:50.03 | numist | ah good |
| 17:50.06 | numist | er, damn |
| 17:50.12 | Rus01 | dont want to pay for 1 |
| 17:50.18 | nvz | Rus01: they didnt have anything real fantastic on that site, but its better than nothing, or paying my provider for each app |
| 17:50.19 | Rus01 | live in russia 2 |
| 17:50.23 | seeds | alsa was setup but still no sound |
| 17:50.30 | Rus01 | need to reflash 3 |
| 17:50.48 | seeds | am doin something wrong |
| 17:51.02 | valdyn | stjepan: that radeon should work out of the box in linux, just 2D only, 3D would require you to install fglrx |
| 17:51.02 | nvz | I know nothing about this stuff. I am still trying to figure out stuff myself |
| 17:51.12 | valdyn | stjepan: s/linux/debian/ |
| 17:51.13 | nvz | if I knew enough I wouldnt have paid for that website :P |
| 17:52.03 | nvz | I am still trying to IRC from my phone.. I dont know if the problem that is causing me to loose connection is a phone bug, software problem, or network problem.. for all I know I may not be allowed to maintain socket connections through my plan |
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| 17:52.21 | nixie | valdyn: does you happen to know if fglrx affect 2D performance at all? notabily the showing of macromedia flash content (using the non-free flash plugin)? |
| 17:52.36 | Skaag | anyone here encountered a hack script called tr0x? |
| 17:52.37 | valdyn | nixie: no idea |
| 17:52.39 | nixie | i am having the hardest time getting flash content to play fast. =/ |
| 17:52.50 | nvz | I need to d/l the Java 2 Micro Edition SDK and try recompilling one of these IRC clinets with more debugging code |
| 17:52.51 | Skaag | not really a rootkit |
| 17:53.03 | valdyn | nixie: are you eve using X radeon driver or just vesa? |
| 17:53.08 | michael | which number in cfdisk is the ext3 filesystem? |
| 17:53.14 | nvz | nixie: its flash.. flash sucks. |
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| 17:53.23 | ma3x | when booting I get this error |
| 17:53.30 | ma3x | Failed to mount /selinux/ |
| 17:53.32 | ma3x | what's causing that? |
| 17:53.38 | ma3x | where do I have set that option? |
| 17:53.45 | ma3x | and also failed to mount /dev/sda1 |
| 17:53.47 | nvz | nixie: I recall someone comming in here wanting a program to eat up his cpu cycles so he could do heat testing.. we told him to use flash :P |
| 17:53.50 | nixie | valdyn/nvz: i actually mean in general. i am in charge of developing a linux based appliance to show video (vlc) and flash content |
| 17:53.53 | ma3x | where are they set? I dont see them in /etc/fstab |
| 17:54.05 | nixie | nvz: sigh... :/ |
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| 17:54.25 | mith | hrm, with bind, is there something I could use to easily plot/illustrate/breakdown/whatever the stats dumped by rndc stats? eg, I want to be able to see the number of nxdomain/recursion/etc requests in a given timeframe not since the server started up |
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| 17:55.19 | stjepan | ok tnx guys |
| 17:55.19 | stjepan | bye |
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| 17:55.34 | nvz | mith: you're talking gibberish to me... if this is the case for every/anyone else maybe you should paste a sample of the stats in a pastebin, so people who dont know what you are talking about might be able to help you parse the data |
| 17:55.46 | |V\oNK | i have a new install here.. and i can boto to the cli w/ no problem, but i cant get x to start i get "fatal error / no screens dected" |
| 17:56.07 | michael | I am trying to create a new primary partition with an ext3 filesystem on it, but I dont know which number this is, because on the list I cant see it; maybe its linux extended? |
| 17:56.10 | |V\oNK | i tryed the xf86config, but no deals |
| 17:56.21 | valdyn | michael: just linux |
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| 17:56.34 | legolas | hi |
| 17:56.37 | rss | anyone here have used etpan? how does it compare itself with mutt, pine and elmo with respect to usability(I know it depends on each person, still.) |
| 17:56.40 | legolas | can i ask is 3.10 latest verison |
| 17:56.41 | nvz | michael: 82 linux, If I recall Correctly |
| 17:56.41 | legolas | ? |
| 17:56.48 | ke6isf | !drxx |V\oNK |
| 17:56.48 | dpkg | |V\oNK: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:56.55 | nvz | michael: might be 83, I cant remember.. one is linux swap |
| 17:56.56 | thingfish | I was thinking 82 or 83. |
| 17:57.03 | valdyn | legolas: just 3.1 |
| 17:57.05 | thingfish | I was thinking 82 was linux swap. |
| 17:57.17 | nvz | 83 was the year I was born |
| 17:57.18 | legolas | valdyn, yes, sorry, so is it? |
| 17:57.19 | thingfish | but it's been so long. |
| 17:57.24 | nvz | you think that would be easy for me to remember |
| 17:57.24 | valdyn | legolas: yea |
| 17:57.30 | ma3x | hellooo |
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| 17:57.42 | thingfish | man you're just a kid. |
| 17:57.43 | ma3x | where do I set which partitions to mount on boot? |
| 17:57.51 | vincent` | ma2x: /etc/fstab |
| 17:57.52 | nvz | thingfish: I'm 22 1/2 :P |
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| 17:58.06 | nvz | thingfish: if thats a kid to you *shrug* geezer :P |
| 17:58.26 | Duelist | !moo |
| 17:58.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 17:58.34 | Duelist | Sorry, I had to do it again |
| 17:58.34 | thingfish | hehe yep, that's a kid, to an old fart like me. |
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| 17:58.52 | poop | noisy punks |
| 17:58.59 | legolas | valdyn, does debian use lilo or grub |
| 17:59.05 | stew | legolas: yeah |
| 17:59.11 | nvz | I just found out this guy that started as a temp at my work is 30 or so.. he looks my age to me |
| 17:59.24 | SimonRaven | legolas: grub by default for sarge |
| 17:59.29 | legolas | nice |
| 17:59.42 | SimonRaven | oh, but i look 20-25 |
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| 17:59.45 | legolas | is it good looking like suse? |
| 17:59.47 | legolas | =) |
| 17:59.55 | poop | nvz: Yeah, looking younger is nice for picking up young girls. |
| 17:59.59 | rss | nvz, do you look like a geezer? :P |
| 18:00.03 | Rus01 | MAKEDEV creates devices in my home directory but not in /dev |
| 18:00.03 | SimonRaven | you can do a splash image |
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| 18:00.06 | Rus01 | why? |
| 18:00.09 | SimonRaven | legolas: ^^^ |
| 18:00.24 | stew | Rus01: its creates them in . |
| 18:00.31 | poop | As long as you don't have to talk to the young girls. |
| 18:00.42 | mith | nvz: meh, i know how to parse the data if I wanted, i'm just looking for something that already does it |
| 18:00.46 | nvz | rss: no, I get young girls flirting with me all the time.. its annoying cause I cant leagally do anything with em. |
| 18:00.55 | Rus01 | even when i cd /dev ? |
| 18:00.59 | Rus01 | as root |
| 18:00.59 | nvz | mith: heh |
| 18:01.10 | stew | Rus01: then it will create them in /dev |
| 18:01.18 | nvz | mith: oh well keep looking :P |
| 18:01.18 | Rus01 | it doesnt |
| 18:01.19 | mith | nvz: when you run rndc stats; it creates (or appends to) a named.stats file with a timestamp and the number of success/nxdomain/recursions/etc since the server was started :P |
| 18:01.20 | poop | Perspective gap ... young girls are 18-22 |
| 18:01.29 | mith | nvz: is what I'm talking about |
| 18:01.31 | poop | maybe 25 |
| 18:01.52 | malex | My konqueror (sid) is timing out on localhost access for pretty much every page and app except for moin moin wiki. All I get is "time out on port 80". I don't see anything suspicious in apache2 logs. |
| 18:02.08 | malex | firefox doesn't have any problems with accessing the same pages. |
| 18:02.10 | stew | Rus01: i don't believe that if you cd /dev ; MAKDEDEV it creates device entries in your home directory, no way. if you really think so, strace it |
| 18:02.10 | mith | i'm sure mrtg has something to handle this, now that I think about it |
| 18:02.39 | nvz | I have been pretty convinced I need to meet someone at least 25 for a while now.. girls in that age range you mentioned are just a PITA :P |
| 18:02.45 | harfooz | I'm trying to follow the instructions at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebianSarge to get my wireless driver installed. I'm up to the step 11: iwconfig. The output from iwconfig says "no wireless extensions" for lo eth0 sit0. I don't know what to do next. Any ideas? |
| 18:02.56 | Rus01 | stew: it just doesnt create any |
| 18:03.03 | legolas | btw can i just ask what is difference between debian and ubuntu |
| 18:03.05 | Rus01 | when im in /dev |
| 18:03.11 | mith | harfooz: doesn't sound like the driver's loaded yet. |
| 18:03.48 | poop | Maybe I can get by with not putting grub on the mbr, since windos seems to boot. |
| 18:03.51 | harfooz | mith, the output from ndiswrapper -l says the w2251 driver is present adn the hardware is present. |
| 18:04.08 | harfooz | s/w2251/w22n51 |
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| 18:04.16 | nvz | there is this milf puppy I work with but she's married to some big biker dude |
| 18:04.16 | mith | harfooz: don't know then, i don't buy hardware to run on systems that don't have native drivers |
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| 18:04.46 | harfooz | mith, ok -- I didn't have a choice, though. That's what came on the t42. |
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| 18:05.34 | nvz | I'll tell him, how bout I fuck your wife... and I'll tell you what, you can even watch :P |
| 18:05.44 | Skaag | huh? |
| 18:05.45 | seeds | k my sound is setup now |
| 18:05.49 | nvz | heh, that would work with some people I am sure |
| 18:05.49 | seeds | thanks everyone |
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| 18:05.59 | Skaag | seeds: no problem, piece of cake |
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| 18:06.10 | nvz | I have a cousin that is weird like that.. would probably let you screw his wife while he watched |
| 18:06.18 | poop | nvz: a little off-topic |
| 18:06.20 | seeds | i have waited long to install debian |
| 18:06.29 | nvz | poop: just a little |
| 18:06.31 | cheal | legolas: there are many differences. ubuntu is a fork of Debian which is basically more focused on desktop usage |
| 18:06.33 | seeds | and stickin with it for sure |
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| 18:07.01 | legolas | cheal, so which you prefer? |
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| 18:07.04 | legolas | debian? |
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| 18:07.20 | cheal | legolas: heh, what do you think...this is #debian :) |
| 18:07.21 | nvz | poop: I'm drinking ~100 Proof alcohol so I drifted a little left of center on the topic |
| 18:07.23 | jsz | hello |
| 18:07.24 | AndreyPiter | i dont know look at helpit.ru |
| 18:07.28 | legolas | cheal, :) |
| 18:07.33 | legolas | btw i have cd of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 "Woody" |
| 18:07.36 | legolas | is that ok? |
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| 18:07.40 | airbrush | if I edit soures.list and comment out some lines, will a apt-get update remove the commented out sources from the package list? |
| 18:07.44 | legolas | or is there any newer version |
| 18:07.45 | cheal | legolas: feed it to the garbage |
| 18:07.47 | ke6isf | legolas: That's a little old... |
| 18:07.52 | Ronin | legolas: out of date, sarge is the newest stable |
| 18:07.53 | nvz | AndreyPiter: please don't troll here. |
| 18:07.54 | cheal | legolas: you want 3.1r0[a] |
| 18:08.07 | legolas | ok |
| 18:08.13 | jsz | I need help getting my ISA soundblaster to work, I modprobe sb and alsaconf do not pick it up, I think I may have to specify irq's ect, how do I find them out and whats the command string for it? |
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| 18:08.56 | legolas | cheal, is there just 1 cd available to download |
| 18:08.57 | nvz | jsz: sb is not even an ALSA module, and you dont modprobe things to run alsaconf, it unloads the drivers and probes then loads them anyhow |
| 18:09.04 | legolas | so i can install it with 1 cd |
| 18:09.16 | legolas | i dont need 100cds with packages |
| 18:09.20 | legolas | i will download packages later |
| 18:09.21 | legolas | ^ |
| 18:09.22 | legolas | :D |
| 18:09.32 | Ronin | legolas: in that case look into a netinstall |
| 18:09.34 | nvz | jsz: if sb loaded without errors your sound is working |
| 18:09.37 | Ronin | !d-i |
| 18:09.38 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:09.40 | nvz | jsz: its just not using ALSA |
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| 18:10.01 | nvz | jsz: that would be OSS |
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| 18:10.16 | cheal | legolas: no, there are at least 14. I guess you want to download the first CD then. or, a netinst CD (100-120 MB) |
| 18:10.40 | jsz | so I do modprobe sb ? |
| 18:10.42 | legolas | i think its a little waste of a cd |
| 18:10.44 | legolas | 100mb |
| 18:10.45 | legolas | :( |
| 18:10.50 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 18:10.51 | Ronin | cr-rw legolas :) |
| 18:10.52 | nvz | jsz: you said you did that already |
| 18:10.55 | cheal | legolas: well download the first CD then |
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| 18:11.06 | legolas | cheal, will be enough? |
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| 18:11.10 | SimonRaven | legolas: so get the full cd#1, you can still install with that |
| 18:11.10 | legolas | to install debian |
| 18:11.23 | legolas | if its enough |
| 18:11.24 | Ronin | !tell legolas about d-i |
| 18:11.24 | legolas | then sure |
| 18:11.27 | nvz | jsz: if that doesnt return an error, then sound is loaded. you would need to add sb to the list in /etc/modules if you wanted it to be loaded at boot every time. |
| 18:11.48 | Ronin | legolas: then the rest is all done with apt-get |
| 18:11.49 | jsz | yes but it fails |
| 18:11.51 | cheal | legolas: you can install all the software on the first CD with the first CD. if you want more, get more CDs or have an internet connection |
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| 18:11.57 | poop | GRUB Loading stage2 (where it stops) |
| 18:12.08 | jsz | I get erros |
| 18:12.10 | legolas | cheal, ty |
| 18:12.14 | nvz | jsz: then your card probably isnt supported |
| 18:12.22 | bleaked | does anyone here have a problem with abcde not tagging foreign characters properly? |
| 18:12.27 | jsz | should be |
| 18:12.34 | nostur | abrotman: i tried cmd u told me, but nothing changes |
| 18:12.36 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/abcde |
| 18:12.39 | abrotman | nostur: huh ? |
| 18:12.46 | Rus01 | stew: isnt there a way to manually asociate a dev string with hardware device using PID and VID ? |
| 18:12.49 | nostur | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:12.50 | antgel | nostur: please type english |
| 18:12.50 | nvz | jsz: maybe use isapnptools to scan the ISA bus and see what you can figure out |
| 18:12.56 | abrotman | nostur: and you tried reste ? |
| 18:12.58 | abrotman | reset |
| 18:13.03 | nvz | jsz: why should it be, did you code the driver? |
| 18:13.04 | nostur | abrotman: yeo |
| 18:13.06 | |V\oNK | ke6isf, ty, you are my new hero |
| 18:13.08 | antgel | abrotman: please type english :P |
| 18:13.13 | poop | http://localhost |
| 18:13.13 | abrotman | nostur: then i'm at a loss |
| 18:13.15 | poop | woops |
| 18:13.17 | MrBallZ | question: I'm running Sarge with X.org, on a intel mobo with integrated video, how terrible could it be to put a agp video card , kernel-stability-configuration wise , i don't want to bork the compuer ... |
| 18:13.18 | nostur | phuk |
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| 18:13.28 | ke6isf | |V\oNK: Glad to help. |
| 18:13.28 | abrotman | !be british |
| 18:13.28 | dpkg | 'ands off mi chips you right barstard! |
| 18:13.35 | antgel | !tell MrBallZ aabout sias |
| 18:13.45 | jsz | no, it's a Soundblaster 16 Vibra so you would think it would be supported |
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| 18:13.51 | antgel | cor blimey! |
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| 18:14.07 | poop | MrBallZ: It's a peecee. You just have to roll the dice. |
| 18:14.12 | Rus01 | isnt there a way to manually asociate a dev string with hardware device using PID and VID ? |
| 18:14.20 | nvz | jsz: yeah I used to have one, thats supported. |
| 18:14.24 | madclicker | how do i re-init a pppoe connection on sarge? |
| 18:14.24 | abrotman | Rus01: probabl |
| 18:14.33 | Rus01 | how& |
| 18:14.34 | Rus01 | ? |
| 18:14.41 | madclicker | ifdown ppp;ifup ppp doesnt work |
| 18:14.49 | jsz | nvz: then how do I get it working? |
| 18:14.57 | cheal | madclicker: poff -a;pon dsl-provider |
| 18:14.58 | nvz | jsz: what kernel version are you running (uname -r)? |
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| 18:15.14 | madclicker | cheal: thanks |
| 18:15.15 | jsz | Linux 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:15.17 | legolas | cheal, do you use gnome or kde |
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| 18:15.25 | nvz | jsz: I dont recall what driver I used, but I would think it was sb |
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| 18:15.43 | cheal | legolas: KDE. part of both gnome and KDE is on the first CD |
| 18:15.46 | nvz | jsz: that kernel doesnt even have ALSA AFAIK btw |
| 18:15.55 | ma3x | If I have done "updatedb" then how do I delete that stored information? |
| 18:15.58 | legolas | great |
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| 18:16.07 | jsz | ? |
| 18:16.18 | sifi | which packages do I need to handle URL forwarding for a domain? |
| 18:16.22 | jsz | I downloaded alsaconf |
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| 18:16.30 | legolas | cheal, how long you have been using debian |
| 18:16.35 | abrotman | 2 days! |
| 18:16.38 | nvz | jsz: so, thats userspace tools the ALSA drivers arent in that kernel |
| 18:16.44 | antgel | !tell sifi about vague |
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| 18:16.56 | nvz | jsz: they are only included in 2.6 you have to install the modules separate for 2.4 |
| 18:17.10 | abrotman | sifi: you mean for apache? or iptables or what ? |
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| 18:17.14 | cheal | legolas: between 17 and 18 months |
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| 18:17.19 | nvz | jsz: alsaconf isnt even part of ALSA its just a userspace tool to automagically configure it |
| 18:17.35 | nvz | jsz: which it cant do on a system that doesnt have alsa |
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| 18:17.53 | jsz | do how do I install alsa? |
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| 18:18.01 | nvz | jsz: in any case the OSS sb module probably should work.. you should be specific about what doesnt work |
| 18:18.03 | jsz | is that what I need to play mp3s? |
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| 18:18.17 | airbrush | I guess not |
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| 18:18.21 | abrotman | yay bots! |
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| 18:18.30 | nvz | jsz: install a 2.6 kernel image or the alsa-modules package for 2.4.27. I would recommend the new 2.6 kernel |
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| 18:18.51 | jsz | I said I get errors then trying to load the module, it can't find the card ect |
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| 18:19.04 | jsz | nah this is only a amd 400, 32mb ram |
| 18:19.08 | jsz | edo ram |
| 18:19.12 | sifi | abrotman, I own a domain at dotster.com, but the masked forwarding through dotster does use a frame to hide the fact that you are going to another site. There is no way past this. |
| 18:19.18 | jsz | don't even run X |
| 18:19.30 | abrotman | sifi: ok .. and you want to fix this how ? |
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| 18:19.42 | sifi | abrotman, I dunno |
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| 18:20.30 | poonj | hey guys |
| 18:20.38 | poonj | in a debian kernel package.. |
| 18:20.43 | nvz | ... and girls? |
| 18:20.44 | sifi | abrotman, All I know is that I want to URL forward the domain to the server without involve any frames |
| 18:20.48 | poonj | how do I find out which version of gcc it was compiled with? |
| 18:20.57 | nvz | ... women even, or bots? |
| 18:20.59 | sifi | abrotman, any suggestions? |
| 18:21.01 | poonj | ebcause when I boot up in the new kernel, I can't compile ndiswrapper.. |
| 18:21.11 | abrotman | sifi: ask #apache about mod_rewrite ? |
| 18:21.16 | bizkit | sifi: mod_rewrite? |
| 18:21.19 | poonj | I have the kernel headers, source, and package for a 2.6.14 kernel |
| 18:21.21 | abrotman | poonj: cat /proc/version |
| 18:21.26 | Duelist | poonj: the compiler the kernel was compiled with shouldn't matter? |
| 18:21.46 | poonj | Duelist, ndiswrapper uses the kernel headers.. |
| 18:21.54 | poonj | to compilet he module, so they have to be the samae |
| 18:22.02 | abrotman | poonj: cat /proc/version |
| 18:22.03 | airbrush | apt-get install keeps trying to remove my kernel, how can I make it play nicer? :) |
| 18:22.08 | Duelist | the kernel headers have to be the same, yes, not the compiler version |
| 18:22.19 | poonj | I'm getting errors... |
| 18:22.24 | poonj | so I don't know whats wrong then |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | Duelist: afaik .. you can't use like 3.3 and 3.4 |
| 18:22.33 | abrotman | especially if the abi changed |
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| 18:23.16 | poop | then the GRUB bootloader cannot correctly access the hard disks (this may happen with some older PCs). In this case, one should use LILO instead of GRUB. If you have problems with the following procedure, then contact the Help Desk. |
| 18:23.29 | poop | If only this weren't a new peecee I'd accept that. |
| 18:23.52 | Duelist | poop: what is it exactly? |
| 18:24.00 | Duelist | is this a name-brand mass-produced job? |
| 18:24.13 | poop | Duelist: no, HTPC with a DFI motherboard |
| 18:24.38 | airbrush | later |
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| 18:25.06 | |V\oNK | ive been using xandros for a little while now and not that i got X working im liking debian alot so far.. |
| 18:25.08 | Duelist | poop: double check what the BIOS thinks the hard drive geometry is versus what GRUB is trying to access |
| 18:25.29 | |V\oNK | it looks light |
| 18:26.29 | poop | Duelist: I added an SATA drive to an existing IDE setup, which breaks grub |
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| 18:27.23 | tobias | how can I bypass all the configure dialogs when running apt-get? |
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| 18:27.37 | poop | apt-get -y? |
| 18:27.45 | tobias | poop: that doesn't do it |
| 18:27.54 | vincent` | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 18:28.46 | ma3x | how do I exclude something from search. I.e. grep -r "word" / (but I want to exclude /usr/home/ from the search) ? |
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| 18:29.48 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: use find instead |
| 18:30.36 | bchristo | hi all |
| 18:30.38 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, but I'm looking for a text into a file |
| 18:30.59 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: ala find . -path '/usr/home' -prune -o \( -type f -print0 \) |xargs -0 grep; |
| 18:31.12 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: man find; man xargs; man grep;. info find; may also be useful. |
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| 18:31.36 | legolas | come someone tell me some good debian too learn |
| 18:31.42 | S4nD3r | Is possible I discover a IP from my LAN, that is in another IP range?? |
| 18:31.43 | legolas | system adminstration |
| 18:31.45 | ma3x | tnx dondelelcaro |
| 18:31.45 | legolas | or something |
| 18:32.24 | ke6isf | legolas: The howtos are good for that. |
| 18:32.39 | legolas | hm |
| 18:32.44 | legolas | well i want some book to read |
| 18:32.52 | legolas | and that there is everyting explained |
| 18:32.54 | rus | /proc/bus/usb/devices tells me that usb-storage driver is asociated with my phone |
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| 18:33.01 | dondelelcaro | legolas: _Debian System_ and _Debian Bible_ are decent. |
| 18:33.04 | legolas | about apt*, kernel, X, etc |
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| 18:33.09 | rus | how do ichange that& |
| 18:33.10 | rus | ? |
| 18:33.47 | cheal | legolas: apt: the APT HOWTO |
| 18:33.57 | rus | what if edit /proc/bus/usb/devices directly& |
| 18:33.58 | rus | ? |
| 18:33.59 | tobias | vincent`: what's the noninteractive way to make that change? ;) |
| 18:34.10 | takatumi | legolas: you could also try debian-reference, it's available as a package. |
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| 18:34.37 | legolas | cheal, what about packages that i need to compile and when i make install to know where he puts that |
| 18:34.49 | legolas | and how to deal with packages |
| 18:35.11 | Ronin | legolas: compile? why when apt-get is there? |
| 18:35.12 | azeem | then buy the Debian Bible, or what it's called |
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| 18:35.23 | rus | a hint please |
| 18:35.36 | legolas | Ronin, well there arent all packages available |
| 18:35.42 | quitte | rus wont work |
| 18:35.43 | legolas | in apt source |
| 18:36.05 | vega- | rus: you cannot edit anything under /proc |
| 18:36.06 | Ronin | over what 10,000 packages and you found something thats not in it? cool |
| 18:36.09 | vega- | rus: it's not a normal filesystem |
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| 18:36.20 | tobias | vincent`: I see /etc/debconf.conf, but it doesn't appear to be changed after running dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 18:36.21 | rus | i se |
| 18:36.22 | rus | see |
| 18:36.23 | quitte | rus: and it's propably right. does it have a phone book? |
| 18:36.31 | rus | yep |
| 18:36.36 | tobias | what file(s) _does_ dpkg-reconfigure debconf change? |
| 18:36.49 | rus | and a flash card |
| 18:36.49 | quitte | rus: then it's ok. no need to change. you need an additional driver |
| 18:36.51 | legolas | well when i install debian i will come here again ^^ |
| 18:37.06 | legolas | so cya till then, and ty for informations |
| 18:38.06 | rus | i want to use acm driver with the phone |
| 18:38.13 | rus | not storage |
| 18:38.36 | rus | where do i change the driver for the device |
| 18:38.40 | rus | ? |
| 18:39.13 | Cyrus | Is anyone else having any problems connecting to AIM via the centericq in sarge? (It does nothing here) |
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| 18:41.27 | geeKISSexy | Is compiling kernel 2.6.14 with initramfs different than compiling 2.6.12 ? |
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| 18:41.40 | geeKISSexy | My custom 2.6.14 kernel isn't able to boot. :-( |
| 18:42.16 | rus | nope |
| 18:42.20 | rus | its same |
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| 18:43.03 | geeKISSexy | But my kernel doesn't boot. I'm using lvm. Can that make any difference ? |
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| 18:43.17 | geeKISSexy | It fails at scripts/init-pre |
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| 18:43.27 | depesz | hi |
| 18:43.29 | geeKISSexy | It can't mount /dev/mapper/VG--ROOT to /root |
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| 18:44.01 | depesz | i just setup my machine to boot from raid device (raid-1). but i can't make lilo to install it's code in bootblocks of both drives with raid-extra-boot |
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| 18:44.12 | depesz | i get:Fatal: Not a RAID install, 'raid-extra-boot=' not allowed |
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| 18:44.25 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 18:44.34 | depesz | i tried searching google, but didn't find anything really relevant. any hints? |
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| 18:46.29 | nadjyla | hello |
| 18:46.38 | fed_debian | hola |
| 18:46.40 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:46.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:46.43 | Fox_1_ | I have all binary CD(14). now I want to write it in to DVD disks. how I must write that use with apt? |
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| 18:47.08 | fed_debian | dpkg, hablas español? |
| 18:47.09 | dpkg | no, fed_debian, no hablo espanol |
| 18:47.20 | fed_debian | ufa que rapido |
| 18:47.24 | poop | jeje |
| 18:47.28 | abrotman | fed_debian: no habla espanol aqui .. va a #debian-es .. /join #debian-es |
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| 18:47.51 | abrotman | my spanish is abysmal |
| 18:47.54 | depesz | noone? :( |
| 18:47.56 | poop | hablamos |
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| 18:48.05 | fed_debian | alguien conoce a ian murdock? |
| 18:48.11 | ramiro | whats "abysmal" ? |
| 18:48.23 | rking | ramiro: abyssish. |
| 18:48.26 | abrotman | !dict abysmal |
| 18:48.28 | dpkg | Dictionary 'abysmal' (3): so deep as to be unmeasurable; "the abyssal depths of the ocean" ;; Abysmal \A*bys"mal\, a. Pertaining to, or resembling, an abyss; bottomless; unending; profound. ;; very great; limitless; "abysmal misery"; "abysmal stupidity". |
| 18:48.38 | abrotman | that was a poor definition |
| 18:48.44 | fed_debian | my inglish is abysmal |
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| 18:48.44 | poop | !dict abominable |
| 18:48.46 | dpkg | Dictionary 'abominable' (2 of 4): unequivocally detestable; "abominable treatment of prisoners"; "detestable vices"; "execrable crimes"; "consequences odious to those you govern"- Edmund Burke ;; exceptionally bad or displeasing; "atrocious taste"; "abominable workmanship"; "an awful voice"; "dreadful manners"; "a painful performance"; "terrible handwriting"; "an unspeakable odor came sweeping into the room" . |
| 18:49.10 | abrotman | fed_debian: va a #debian-es .. |
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| 18:49.13 | teknoprep | hi all |
| 18:49.21 | teknoprep | anyone have a problem with the .deb for pptpd server |
| 18:49.25 | teknoprep | trying to use poptop |
| 18:49.38 | teknoprep | i have a known working config from a redhat box |
| 18:49.43 | teknoprep | that i used for poptop |
| 18:49.48 | teknoprep | i copy'd that into it it |
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| 18:49.53 | teknoprep | and its not working worth a shit |
| 18:50.13 | jake1931 | How can I get my router to detect the hostname of my debian box? It automatically detects the host name of the windows machine? |
| 18:50.22 | Roey | abrotman: that #debian-es is rather popular |
| 18:50.28 | abrotman | jake1931: dyndns |
| 18:50.28 | Fox_1_ | ?? |
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| 18:50.35 | jake1931 | locally |
| 18:50.37 | abrotman | Roey: ? |
| 18:50.41 | abrotman | jake1931: i know what you mean |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | !dyndns |
| 18:50.44 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/, or apt-get install ddclient |
| 18:50.47 | poop | 72 users |
| 18:50.48 | Roey | abrotman: in that I see people referred to there more and more. |
| 18:50.59 | abrotman | jake1931: your router must have some sort of wacky dyndns .. or it understands netbios |
| 18:51.06 | abrotman | Roey:oh |
| 18:51.35 | Roey | abrotman: specifically, from this channel |
| 18:51.43 | jake1931 | abrotman: ok - must be using netbios |
| 18:51.50 | abrotman | jake1931: samba has nmbd |
| 18:52.23 | Fox_1_ | how can i say apt that it first install all packages which i want then remove? |
| 18:52.30 | jake1931 | abrotman: tnx |
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| 18:53.07 | poop | Fox: come again? |
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| 18:53.44 | Fox_1_ | i ask because i say install some package, and apt want to remove horde package which didn't work and couldn't remove. |
| 18:54.22 | ma3x | what's up with sid, why I got 240 packages not upgraded? |
| 18:54.24 | poop | Fox: apt-get remove horde didn't work? |
| 18:54.26 | qubix` | I'm having a problem installing debian, the install keeps hanging at Detecting hardware to find cd-rom drives at loading module 'sd_mod' for SCSI disk support' can anyone provide some advice on fixing this problem the kernel is linux26 booting the latest stable from the website |
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| 18:55.15 | chemaFPA | Hi, what's the name of the aplication that allow you to put a wallpaper with a terminal? |
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| 18:55.51 | Fox_1_ | poop no, it write remove some line from /etc/apache/access.conf then press return. but access.conf is empty. so i press return, but it doesn't do anything. |
| 18:55.56 | Lilldude10 | does nvidea 2 mx need speacil drivers? |
| 18:56.17 | cheal | Lilldude10: vesa, nv and nvidia should work |
| 18:56.18 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite Lilldude10 |
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| 18:56.27 | jake1931 | abrotman: tnx again - you were correct - it was using netbios - and now I see the name in the router :) |
| 18:56.32 | abrotman | jake1931: yay! |
| 18:56.49 | abrotman | jake1931: now you can buy me a beer! |
| 18:56.56 | Lilldude10 | nevor tried vesa yet |
| 18:57.25 | jake1931 | abrotman: ok |
| 18:57.41 | abrotman | see .. that was easy! |
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| 18:58.05 | abrotman | !phillysmite jake1931 |
| 18:58.15 | Fox_1_ | poop ? |
| 18:58.23 | jake1931 | abrotman: and there are many |
| 18:58.27 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:58.36 | abrotman | maybe i should have made that a Flyers fan .. |
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| 18:59.05 | jake1931 | raging is the key word after Monday |
| 18:59.06 | wille | where can i get amule for debian>???? |
| 18:59.07 | kopo | Hi, what it's the way to lauch programs at boot, I like the slackware /etc/rc.local, what it's the equivalent on debian? |
| 18:59.20 | acid-trip | how can i make totem player play a WMV? |
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| 18:59.24 | Sir | hi :) |
| 18:59.25 | abrotman | jake1931: yes .. well .. thank goodness the offense did bad on both sides of the ball :) |
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| 18:59.34 | jake1931 | haha |
| 18:59.36 | abrotman | !tell acid-trip about w32codecs |
| 18:59.38 | streuner | acid-trip: by installing the right codecs |
| 18:59.46 | wille | oar any other p2p edonkey based client for debian....??? |
| 18:59.47 | qubix` | some can someone help me with the issue on install my debian install keeps freezeing at sd_mod for scsi disk support |
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| 19:00.07 | acid-trip | ty abrotman |
| 19:00.08 | abrotman | !donkey |
| 19:00.08 | dpkg | I'm a flying donkey, a, talking, flying, donkey |
| 19:00.12 | abrotman | duh |
| 19:00.20 | wille | can somepone help me to find out amule for debian???? |
| 19:00.27 | abrotman | !find mule sarge |
| 19:00.33 | nadjyla | acid trip : go ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ for win32codecs |
| 19:00.35 | kopo | Hi, what it's the way to lauch programs at boot, I like the slackware /etc/rc.local, what it's the equivalent on debian? |
| 19:00.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mule' (5 of 31): (/usr/share/ntop/html/emulex.gif) in net/ntop ;; (/usr/share/festival/dicts/cmu/cmulex.scm) in sound/festlex-cmu ;; (/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/url/mule-sysdp.elc) in web/w3-url-e21 ;; (/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/url/mule-sysdp.el) in web/w3-url-lisp ;; (/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/lookup-el/evi-mule.el) in text/lookup-el. |
| 19:00.45 | abrotman | kopo: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:00.53 | wille | can somepone help me to find out amule for debian???? |
| 19:00.54 | abrotman | Wille: apt-cache search mule |
| 19:00.56 | wille | oar any other p2p edonkey based client for debian....??? |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:01.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:01.03 | michael | !parted |
| 19:01.04 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 19:01.06 | pingouin | www.amule.org |
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| 19:01.14 | kopo | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:04.27 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:04.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:04.29 | Storm | any one know whay i get this the ./pool/main/g/gnom/themes/gnome-themes_2.8.2-3_all.deb file failed the md5 cheksum verification. your cd-rom or this file my be corupted |
| 19:04.42 | abrotman | because it might be corrupted ? |
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| 19:05.25 | Storm | but how do i fix it |
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| 19:05.41 | abrotman | get it from another mirror ? |
| 19:05.53 | nostur | i have a problem: i have phuken encoding in terminal, i tried changing font, encoding, dpkg-reconfigure locals and even 'reset' anyone can help? |
| 19:06.05 | Storm | can you give me an other mirror? |
| 19:06.15 | nostur | lmao |
| 19:06.33 | Storm | you dont need to help me |
| 19:06.46 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 19:06.54 | abrotman | nostur: reboot |
| 19:07.01 | marculix | rofl reboot |
| 19:07.10 | nostur | i tried |
| 19:07.16 | abrotman | marculix: then you fix his problem smart ass |
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| 19:07.28 | marculix | init abrotman, ass? |
| 19:07.41 | abrotman | marculix: he already rebooted .. it still doesn't work . .anymore suggestions ? |
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| 19:07.50 | Blues-Man | hi all |
| 19:07.53 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
| 19:07.56 | marculix | abrotman: read above smart wanker |
| 19:08.01 | abrotman | i did |
| 19:08.03 | nostur | init? |
| 19:08.12 | abrotman | nostur: ignore him |
| 19:08.16 | nostur | k |
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| 19:08.40 | abrotman | nostur: can you post a screenshot or something somewhere of the problem ? |
| 19:08.52 | marculix | nostur: reboot is a newbie aproach... but do what you want |
| 19:08.53 | nostur | abrotman: ok, ill upload |
| 19:09.09 | abrotman | and then the inifite wisdom of marculix will be at your disposal |
| 19:09.15 | abrotman | and my piss poor spelling |
| 19:09.23 | valdyn | i'd hate to avoid the easy way jsut because its 'the newbie way' |
| 19:09.25 | marculix | abrotman: hehe, I'm so amused abrotman |
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| 19:09.46 | Blues-Man | I havea bios that doesn't reconize dvd booting and the debian etch dvd. I thought that I could install grub in the MBR using a live distro to put GRUB, but which params I have to put in the menu.lst to start the debian etch dvd installer?thank you |
| 19:10.00 | nostur | marculix: so tell me, what should i do? i tried everything |
| 19:10.01 | abrotman | valdyn: you mean since reboot is a synonym for init 6 ? |
| 19:10.10 | marculix | wtf abrotman |
| 19:10.16 | abrotman | wtf indeed |
| 19:10.28 | abrotman | marculix: you can't help him ? |
| 19:11.20 | valdyn | abrotman: nah, since reboot is easier than restarting whatever individually |
| 19:11.20 | marculix | no, you are the helper here |
| 19:11.20 | marculix | reboot |
| 19:11.20 | pholie_ | how do i get rid of exim4? it takes ages to start but i don't need it. dpkg -S exim finds exim4-base and exim4-config files but apt-get removing them says they aren't installed |
| 19:11.21 | abrotman | marculix: no .. you laughed at me .. if you can't provide any better help .. keep your trap shut |
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| 19:11.26 | marculix | welcome on my ignore list abrotman, /dev/null |
| 19:11.30 | abrotman | now if you can help him .. please do |
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| 19:11.41 | abrotman | *sniff* .. valdyn .. will you comfort me ? |
| 19:11.48 | nostur | lmoa |
| 19:11.49 | nostur | lmao |
| 19:12.12 | Zugschlus | pholie_: if it takes ages to start, you have a DNS issue or one of the other issues mentioned in exim4's README.Debian. |
| 19:12.19 | nostur | abrotman: http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8356/screenshot3ha.png the things after : is alphabet, space and numbers :D |
| 19:12.20 | Zugschlus | pholie_: chances are that you _need_ some MTA because you have, for example, cron installed |
| 19:12.24 | elephantMan | How can i use make xconfig ? It says missing QT package ? |
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| 19:12.32 | elephantMan | What exact package name i need ? |
| 19:12.36 | elephantMan | People who make 'make xconfig' should really put a more helpful message |
| 19:12.37 | abrotman | nostur: also show marculix |
| 19:12.47 | Zugschlus | pholie_: and it always helps if you quote the exact command and the exact error message that you are experiencing, preferably by using a web paste service |
| 19:12.47 | pholie_ | Zugschlus: i don't need even cron :) |
| 19:12.54 | pholie_ | Zugschlus: i don't need even cron :) |
| 19:12.58 | valdyn | elephantMan: apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev iirc |
| 19:13.01 | nostur | marculix: http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8356/screenshot3ha.png the things after : is alphabet, space and numbers :D |
| 19:13.25 | abrotman | nostur: did you pick a bad font for your gnome-terminal ? |
| 19:13.35 | john_doe | I now use udev. To boot up using devfs, will I just need to use the devfs=mount kernel parameter? |
| 19:13.58 | nostur | abrotman: it worked alright, but once, i stated pc, opened terminal and i was like wtf?? |
| 19:14.19 | abrotman | nostur: check the terminal settings .. make sure you picked a usable font .. and not like wingdings or some crap |
| 19:14.50 | Blues-Man | anyone could tell me how could I boot a dvd installation of debian even if my bios doesn't support dvd booting? |
| 19:14.53 | pholie_ | Zugschlus http://rafb.net/paste/results/f1fCDx11.html |
| 19:15.03 | valdyn | Blues-Man: google smart boot manager |
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| 19:15.09 | numist | Blues-Man: your only answer includes a hammer |
| 19:15.10 | elephantMan | valdyn, ok super thanx - i try this |
| 19:15.10 | valdyn | !sbmgr |
| 19:15.11 | nostur | i kno, i checked it 1st its classical |
| 19:15.23 | nostur | abrotman:i know, i checked it 1st its classical |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | nostur: change it to something normal .. |
| 19:15.53 | nostur | u know, its the normal font, w8, i check the name |
| 19:16.10 | elephantMan | valdyn, aren't you agree that they should point you the exact package missing ? |
| 19:16.12 | valdyn | elephantMan: though i cannot imagine a bios from the last decade not being able to do that.. |
| 19:16.13 | Zugschlus | pholie_: dpkg --list exim* |
| 19:16.24 | valdyn | elephantMan: i dont understand |
| 19:16.27 | abrotman | nostur: no .. pick a font like .. System or Times New Roman .. something normal |
| 19:16.28 | Zugschlus | looks like you have exim4 removed but not purged and that you still have conffiles intalled |
| 19:16.32 | kjdis | Is there no Nforce4 gigabir support yet in the latest kernel? |
| 19:16.34 | Shadowcat | what are some good calendar apps for Linux? |
| 19:16.38 | nostur | abrotman: aight |
| 19:16.47 | abrotman | Shadowcat: thin or thick ? |
| 19:16.50 | Shadowcat | kjdis: go download the nvidia driver from nvidia.com and install it |
| 19:16.57 | Shadowcat | abrotman: doesn't matter |
| 19:17.02 | Blues-Man | valdyn, but If i install grub in the MBR with a live sitro then can I do either the boot from dvd passing grub the params(that I don't know at the moment :) ) |
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| 19:17.04 | Shadowcat | it needs to have good print support though |
| 19:17.10 | nostur | abrotman: i show u sth, wait, its... weird |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | Shadowcat: and in sarge ? |
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| 19:17.28 | valdyn | Blues-Man: maybe, i have no idea |
| 19:17.30 | Shadowcat | abrotman: doesn't matter |
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| 19:17.33 | Shadowcat | I'm in unstable |
| 19:17.38 | meriad | which deban iso do I want to download.. im on a mirror right now and see like 10 different isos.. debiain-iso1-10.iso.. |
| 19:17.42 | Shadowcat | doesn't even have to be a package really |
| 19:17.44 | meriad | and no readme to exopkain what is what |
| 19:17.48 | Shadowcat | if I like the app enough I'll make a package |
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| 19:17.58 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i don't see Sunbird in debian |
| 19:18.03 | beardy | !d-i meriad |
| 19:18.04 | dpkg | meriad, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:18.07 | Shadowcat | abrotman: sunbird is in beta |
| 19:18.08 | elephantMan | valdyn, yes sorry i was talking about my question |
| 19:18.09 | pholie_ | Zugschlus ok now what? http://rafb.net/paste/results/b0qE6q36.html |
| 19:18.15 | meriad | beardy- =] |
| 19:18.15 | elephantMan | valdyn, super thanx it works now |
| 19:18.16 | abrotman | Shadowcat: doesn't mean it's not good |
| 19:18.16 | beardy | meriad: You probablywant i386. |
| 19:18.17 | Shadowcat | abrotman: but besides sunbird? |
| 19:18.20 | nostur | abrotman: http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/9109/screenshot18oj.png |
| 19:18.28 | meriad | beardy- duh |
| 19:18.29 | meriad | beardy- heh |
| 19:18.32 | meriad | beardy- im just migrating from openbsd |
| 19:18.34 | Zugschlus | pholie_: as I said, you have exim4 removed but not purged |
| 19:18.37 | meriad | beardy- im not new to linux |
| 19:18.39 | Zugschlus | so all that remains is configuration |
| 19:18.42 | abrotman | nostur: right .. pick one that shows letters :) |
| 19:18.45 | doug_ | I just finished installing debian from dvd - how can I use the kde desktop? |
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| 19:18.54 | nostur | abrotman: tried every, none works... |
| 19:18.55 | meriad | beardy- but the mirror for that netiso is slow |
| 19:18.57 | beardy | meriad: Then you should be famliar with tab-completion.. :) |
| 19:18.58 | abrotman | Shadowcat: apt-cache search calendar ? .. evolution has a calendar |
| 19:19.01 | abrotman | nostur: none?! |
| 19:19.06 | meriad | beardy- and was hpoing therte was a faster site |
| 19:19.10 | nostur | abrotman: none... |
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| 19:19.15 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 19:19.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 19:19.22 | valdyn | doug_: ^^^ and apt-get install kde |
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| 19:19.37 | abrotman | nostur: where are the rest of your fonts ? |
| 19:19.50 | nostur | abrotman: only this |
| 19:19.52 | vincent` | having trouble w/ the debian partitioner, trying to setup 4 drives for raid, but when i create a new paritition table and set the type to raid, it has the dark smily face next to the partition and i can't use it for raid, any ideas ? |
| 19:19.54 | abrotman | nostur: wait .. |
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| 19:20.05 | abrotman | nostur: what is your Sans font ? |
| 19:20.16 | nostur | abrotman: ? what what |
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| 19:20.39 | argaldo | hi |
| 19:20.40 | abrotman | nostur: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org .. but i think you have to define a Sans font .. |
| 19:20.54 | argaldo | i recently upgraded my debian and gnome was upgraded too |
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| 19:21.17 | doug_ | valdyn, thanks, does $ or # matter and can I do !setup x && apt-get install kde from a console running in x already? |
| 19:21.22 | argaldo | since then i can't load several gnome applets |
| 19:21.39 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:21.41 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 19:22.08 | argaldo | anyone is having problems with gnome applets in etch now? |
| 19:22.09 | yacoob | Hi. Is there a way to turn off host key verification in openssh completely? (in client) |
| 19:22.30 | valdyn | doug_: you dont need to setup x if you have it running already, you can apt-get install whatever from anywhere |
| 19:23.08 | valdyn | doug_: !setup x was just to make dpkg spit out info... |
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| 19:23.45 | meriad | there we go |
| 19:23.49 | meriad | much faster mirror |
| 19:23.50 | meriad | :) |
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| 19:23.57 | meriad | 300kb is better than 5 kb eh beardy :) |
| 19:24.02 | pholie_ | Zugschlus would that be ok? http://rafb.net/paste/results/QWvwAd72.html |
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| 19:24.26 | nixie | hmm.. how do i stop the kernel from spitting out messages to console (sysklog isnt running so that's not it)? |
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| 19:24.38 | doug_ | valdyn, thanks... did the apt-get for kde once and it said it was installed... then used startx and kdm to launch x after config user for kde and there are complaints |
| 19:24.39 | Zugschlus | pholie_: well, I told you that you need some kind of MTA |
| 19:25.16 | valdyn | doug_: '/etc/init.d/kdm start' |
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| 19:25.28 | pholie_ | Zugschlus, hm ok. then i can do nothing with it |
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| 19:25.34 | nostur | abrotman: should installing KDE fix it? i thought about it |
| 19:25.34 | doug_ | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:25.35 | pholie_ | Zugschlus, thanks anyway |
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| 19:25.45 | abrotman | nostur: no .. ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 19:26.08 | valdyn | doug_: that just wont work if you already have an X running on :0, ( which startx would do ) |
| 19:26.11 | nostur | abrotman: /me asked, but, how to tell u, it very lively here.... |
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| 19:26.32 | abrotman | nostur: yeah .. but i don't mess with fonts .. at all |
| 19:26.37 | abrotman | nostur: i'm happy i can read |
| 19:26.41 | nostur | heh |
| 19:26.50 | nostur | this is damn weirf |
| 19:26.53 | nostur | weirc |
| 19:26.58 | nostur | *weird |
| 19:27.00 | doug_ | valdyn, startx was done from console with no x running |
| 19:27.10 | doug_ | err from console login |
| 19:27.18 | valdyn | doug_: and? does that work? |
| 19:27.28 | doug_ | valdyn, no |
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| 19:27.39 | valdyn | doug_: then tell us the error message |
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| 19:27.41 | [sr] | hi people |
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| 19:27.52 | [sr] | is apache 2.2x available in sid packages? |
| 19:27.53 | doug_ | k thanks |
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| 19:28.26 | tr1gg3r | [sr], search pkg list on debian.org |
| 19:28.31 | abrotman | !info apache2-common sid |
| 19:28.32 | quadra | [ !unload : no module with this name ] |
| 19:28.38 | fbi | why is that bot still here |
| 19:28.55 | abrotman | !tell doug_ about best irc client |
| 19:29.17 | doug_ | thanks guys :) |
| 19:29.25 | PhilKC | :O not mIRC over WINE? |
| 19:30.06 | dpkg | apache2-common: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-3 (sid), Packaged size: 769 kB, Installed size: 3032 kB |
| 19:30.11 | fbi | doug_: that isn't going to do much. |
| 19:30.20 | PhilKC | nooo, apt-get wine and get mirc! :P |
| 19:30.23 | abrotman | dpkg -i fbi |
| 19:30.33 | fbi | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 19:30.35 | abrotman | hrm |
| 19:30.39 | Roey | apt-get help |
| 19:30.40 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite fbi |
| 19:30.43 | valdyn | PhilKC: that's a brilliant idea for someone who has no X working |
| 19:30.45 | Roey | hahaha |
| 19:30.52 | doug_ | fbi, doug cannot read or type - but thanks :) |
| 19:30.57 | PhilKC | Valandil, if you say so :P |
| 19:31.29 | Roey | !lobotomy valdyn |
| 19:31.33 | Roey | interesting |
| 19:31.34 | Roey | :) |
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| 19:32.00 | valdyn | !do Roey |
| 19:32.08 | Roey | !unlobotomy Roey |
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| 19:33.02 | Shadowcat | !beat Roey |
| 19:33.13 | Roey | heeelp. |
| 19:33.15 | Daveman | :P |
| 19:33.21 | Daveman | haha |
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| 19:34.01 | Tecky | whats the command to remove a user ? |
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| 19:34.15 | doug__ | cool :) |
| 19:34.19 | nostur | abrtoman: i dont have to define Sans font |
| 19:34.21 | Shadowcat | fancy seeing you here |
| 19:34.29 | Tecky | aye |
| 19:34.31 | nostur | *abrotman |
| 19:34.35 | abrotman | fbi: see! |
| 19:34.38 | Roey | Tecky: userdel? |
| 19:34.41 | Tecky | =\ |
| 19:34.44 | Roey | Tecky: me too |
| 19:34.45 | abrotman | nostur: did they tell you anything else |
| 19:34.47 | Tecky | i'm so used to freebsd / slackware |
| 19:34.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:34.49 | Shadowcat | I thought you didn't use debian Tecky |
| 19:34.49 | Tecky | rm user =] |
| 19:34.51 | doug_ | thanks guys ... brb |
| 19:34.52 | Roey | Tecky: do you have any experience with Dell machines? |
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| 19:34.57 | nostur | abrotman: nope, just no |
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| 19:35.04 | fbi | haha you need to hilight that one too |
| 19:35.08 | Tecky | Roey: i have a dell 1750 at home |
| 19:35.14 | Tecky | Running 3.1 |
| 19:35.14 | Roey | oh awesome. |
| 19:35.20 | Roey | Tecky: I have a Dell PE 1850 here. |
| 19:35.28 | Tecky | aye |
| 19:35.30 | Roey | Tecky: I'm trying to load it with a custom kernel but it gives me errors :( |
| 19:35.32 | abrotman | nostur: they didn't give you anyway to fix it ? |
| 19:35.34 | Roey | Tecky: I'm going nuts |
| 19:35.35 | Tecky | got 5 of them in the rack in the server room =] |
| 19:35.42 | Roey | Tecky: oh! and do you have Debian on any of them?? |
| 19:35.49 | abrotman | Roey: dell sucks |
| 19:35.49 | Tecky | nope |
| 19:35.56 | Roey | abrotman: :( |
| 19:36.01 | Tecky | dell's are terrible w/ debian for some reason |
| 19:36.06 | Tecky | i had to use FreeBSD on the ones i need |
| 19:36.14 | abrotman | s#w/ debian## |
| 19:36.18 | Roey | Tecky: because Debian doesn't include the right drivers in the install disks? |
| 19:36.24 | Shadowcat | Tecky: lies |
| 19:36.25 | abrotman | Roey: i'm still thinking it does |
| 19:36.26 | Shadowcat | all lies |
| 19:36.31 | Shadowcat | Tecky is biased against debian |
| 19:36.35 | Tecky | it just didn't support the raid and I had many problems w/ it seeing some of the hardware |
| 19:36.40 | Roey | Tecky: as it happens, I am trying to install a new kernel to an existing installaion. Only that it can't mount the root device at all. |
| 19:36.49 | Roey | Tecky: could you help me? |
| 19:36.52 | abrotman | Roey: but that's your fault .. debian works fine doesn't it ? |
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| 19:36.59 | hever | Hello, I'm a little bit in trouble by installing KDE. apt tells me kde-amusements is not installabale... there are dependencie problems. On apt-get.org are no better sources, what could I do now? |
| 19:37.04 | Roey | abrotman: debian works fine when it's not broken, sure. |
| 19:37.07 | Shadowcat | Roey: that's because you can't produce a working kernel |
| 19:37.08 | abrotman | Roey: as in .. the machine installs .. and runs .. then you compile a kernel and it dies |
| 19:37.11 | Tecky | Roey: ask Shadowcat to help you =] |
| 19:37.15 | Daveman | :P |
| 19:37.19 | Roey | Shadowcat: I've been handrolling kernels for years |
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| 19:37.25 | Daveman | s/help/beat you more/ :P |
| 19:37.27 | abrotman | Roey: if you compile a kernel .. and that kernel breaks .. it's you that has done it .. not debian |
| 19:37.29 | Roey | Shadowcat: but for right now, I don't know why it doesn't mount this. |
| 19:37.37 | Shadowcat | Roey: then you should go back into menuconfig and figure out what you missed |
| 19:37.49 | Roey | Tecky: shadowcat's biased against dumb people :( |
| 19:37.53 | Daveman | Shadowcat ;) |
| 19:38.05 | Tecky | Roey: as am i, I useta work at M$ =] |
| 19:38.10 | abrotman | oh .. drag marculix in here! |
| 19:38.19 | Roey | Tecky: so now you bask in the glow of GNU/Linux? |
| 19:38.23 | Roey | Tecky: what brought you over?? |
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| 19:38.33 | Daveman | luke is his father? |
| 19:38.37 | Tecky | Roey: long story ? |
| 19:38.43 | Daveman | heh |
| 19:38.52 | Roey | Tecky: ah. But whatever, you're With Us NowTM |
| 19:39.00 | Tecky | laff |
| 19:39.11 | Roey | Tecky: that said, you're not on #Windows are you? by any chance? |
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| 19:39.19 | Roey | Tecky: your knowledge would be very useful there. |
| 19:39.32 | Shadowcat | he was an op |
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| 19:39.36 | Roey | oh, I see. |
| 19:39.47 | Roey | Shadowcat: but now Tecky's not on that channel anymore... |
| 19:39.51 | Roey | Tecky: have you done openvpn stuff at all? |
| 19:40.09 | |V\oNK | ppp = point to point protocol / dial up and ... lpd = linux printing deamon correct? |
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| 19:40.23 | Shadowcat | instead of wasting time on IRC |
| 19:40.26 | traian | hello |
| 19:40.30 | doug_ | valdyn, k I got it now... not sure what I missed but config'd desktop for kde now... |
| 19:40.32 | traian | i have a question |
| 19:40.33 | doug_ | thanks guys |
| 19:40.37 | abrotman | Roey: why are you compilking your own kernel ? |
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| 19:40.51 | Roey | Shadowcat: but the entertainment helps my colon. |
| 19:40.51 | valdyn | !win doug_ |
| 19:40.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, doug_! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:40.53 | mike | hi could anyone help me set up sound on my linux box |
| 19:40.55 | traian | what parameters do i have to put in /etc/fstab to mount and write on a ntfs partition? |
| 19:40.59 | traian | by anyone |
| 19:41.03 | Shadowcat | traian: you don't |
| 19:41.06 | fbi | traian: you need captive-ntfs to do that |
| 19:41.10 | Roey | abrotman: because Debian kernel didn't include some necessary drivers |
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| 19:41.15 | Shadowcat | fbi: that too |
| 19:41.16 | abrotman | Roey: like ? |
| 19:41.18 | Roey | abrotman: ok, so what I did was this: |
| 19:41.36 | traian | so i can't do anything? |
| 19:41.41 | Roey | abrotman: - installed a netinst .iso I found ("Sarge for Debian servers") |
| 19:41.46 | valdyn | !captive |
| 19:41.47 | dpkg | [captive] The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 19:41.48 | fbi | traian: without ntfs write support in your kernel, no. |
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| 19:41.53 | Roey | abrotman: that had kernel 2.4, so I apt-got installed kernel 2.6 |
| 19:41.58 | Roey | abrotman: it didn't have LVM support. |
| 19:41.59 | traian | is there a patch for that? |
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| 19:42.05 | Roey | abrotman: I upgraded to Etch too |
| 19:42.07 | traian | a kernel patch? |
| 19:42.12 | valdyn | Roey: WHAT? |
| 19:42.13 | Roey | traian: maybe? |
| 19:42.15 | doug_ | mike ask how to config oss or alsa |
| 19:42.16 | fbi | traian: read what dpkg just said. |
| 19:42.17 | Roey | valdyn: what, what? :) |
| 19:42.23 | valdyn | Roey: 2.6.8 in debian has no lvm support? |
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| 19:42.25 | Shadowcat | sheesh |
| 19:42.27 | Roey | valdyn: ahhhhhh |
| 19:42.29 | abrotman | valdyn: yes it does |
| 19:42.32 | LSorensen | Roey: sure it does. |
| 19:42.33 | traian | ooook |
| 19:42.37 | traian | thanks |
| 19:42.38 | Shadowcat | traian: look |
| 19:42.43 | Shadowcat | NTFS write doesn't exist in Linux natively |
| 19:42.45 | abrotman | though .. iirc .. it's LVM2 .. not LVM |
| 19:42.45 | valdyn | abrotman: yep |
| 19:42.47 | Roey | valdyn: well see that's why I downloaded a kernel from kernel.org (2.6.14) |
| 19:42.52 | Roey | valdyn: 2.6.14.3 actually. |
| 19:42.53 | LSorensen | Shadowcat: well not in a recomended form at least |
| 19:42.56 | Shadowcat | if you want it you're gonna have to wine an ntfs.dll |
| 19:43.03 | abrotman | Roey: i think you're making WAY too much work for yourself :) |
| 19:43.05 | mike | or point me in the right direction |
| 19:43.08 | traian | ok |
| 19:43.09 | Shadowcat | LSorense: sure it's recommended, if you want to hose your fs |
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| 19:43.14 | traian | thanks again |
| 19:43.15 | Shadowcat | otherwise leave it the hell alone |
| 19:43.17 | Roey | valdyn: and then I compiled that using the .config I derived from the original 2.4.31 kernel that hte custom netinst iso installed. |
| 19:43.18 | LSorensen | Roey: I have used LVM just fine with 2.6.8 in debian, the installer even helped me set it up |
| 19:43.19 | Roey | abrotman: yes |
| 19:43.21 | traian | :) |
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| 19:43.31 | Roey | lsorense: there's a bug with LVM though...... |
| 19:43.32 | mastertet | Hi, I have problem with printing, I can print with emacs, openoffice and gimp. But I can't with inkscape or command line. If I do "lpr test.ps", I get: lpr: error - unable to print file: client-error-bad-request? |
| 19:43.38 | Roey | lsorensen: you installed Etch or Sarge? |
| 19:43.41 | fbi | mike: uname -r |
| 19:43.44 | LSorensen | Roey: works fine here. of course I used sarge 2.6 install |
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| 19:43.51 | traian | the thing is that fat32 doesn't support over 4 GB files |
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| 19:43.57 | Shadowcat | Roey: first of all |
| 19:44.00 | fbi | i said uname -r, not /quit |
| 19:44.01 | Roey | lsorense: Etch won't install for me because it can't find the disks |
| 19:44.01 | Shadowcat | you're a complete moron |
| 19:44.05 | Roey | Shadowcat: granted |
| 19:44.06 | traian | and i couldn't download dvds on it :) |
| 19:44.08 | LSorensen | Roey: so etch is in beta. |
| 19:44.14 | traian | thats the purpose |
| 19:44.17 | traian | anyways |
| 19:44.20 | Roey | traian: aye |
| 19:44.21 | traian | thanks |
| 19:44.21 | Shadowcat | you DON'T use a 2.4 .config to compile a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:44.23 | Shadowcat | idiot |
| 19:44.29 | Roey | Shadowcat: I did make oldconfig |
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| 19:44.31 | Shadowcat | don't you know ANYTHING about .config files |
| 19:44.38 | valdyn | traian: why do you need to download dvds to fat32? |
| 19:44.38 | Roey | Shadowcat: it seemed like a good idea t the time |
| 19:44.39 | eeyore- | Shadowcat: hmm? |
| 19:44.39 | LSorensen | Roey: many bugs exist in the etch installer |
| 19:44.41 | abrotman | this is gonna get abusive :) |
| 19:44.45 | Roey | lsorensen: ah.. |
| 19:44.53 | traian | i installed debian two days ago |
| 19:44.55 | Shadowcat | eeyore-: he used a 2.4 .config file to compile a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:44.58 | eeyore- | Roey: you could, kind of. make oldconfig, go in and re-check some settings. it'll work |
| 19:44.59 | traian | i had only windows |
| 19:44.59 | Shadowcat | with no modification |
| 19:45.00 | LSorensen | Roey: if the sarge installer works with your hardware, use it and dist-upgrade to etch instead |
| 19:45.01 | Daveman | Hi LSorensen |
| 19:45.07 | Roey | eeyore-: that's basically what I did. |
| 19:45.09 | traian | that's the reason |
| 19:45.12 | eeyore- | Roey: so, no problem tere |
| 19:45.18 | Shadowcat | Roey: .config files change between kernel versions |
| 19:45.23 | fbi | traian: if you want to be able to share files between linux and windows, create a vfat partition that can be mounted by both. |
| 19:45.24 | Shadowcat | horribly so between MAJOR kernel versions |
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| 19:45.32 | eeyore- | Shadowcat: oh, don't be an alarmist |
| 19:45.39 | Roey | eeyore-, LSorensen, Shadowcat: See, I wanted to use LVM and maybe even Xen at some point. |
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| 19:45.52 | Shadowcat | Roey: firstly, learn to compile a kernel properly |
| 19:45.56 | LSorensen | Roey: there was certainy no bug in LVM support in sarge's installer using linux26 boot option |
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| 19:46.09 | Roey | lsorenseen: it's from kernel 2.6.13 that they foudn it out |
| 19:46.10 | Roey | I think |
| 19:46.22 | Roey | Shadowcat: I can compile kernels like the best of them. |
| 19:46.22 | LSorensen | Roey: well if there is a bug, it's not bad enough to make things not work. |
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| 19:46.29 | Shadowcat | Roey: apparently not |
| 19:46.33 | cusco | hi... I donwloaded the Etch netinstall |
| 19:46.34 | LSorensen | Roey: compiling is easy. configuring isn't |
| 19:46.38 | Shadowcat | plus debian stock kernels requires initrds |
| 19:46.45 | Shadowcat | require* |
| 19:46.46 | cusco | its giving an error wheninstalling initrd |
| 19:46.47 | Roey | LSorensen: well I compiled the drivers in (not initrd) |
| 19:46.50 | Shadowcat | I hope you made one |
| 19:46.53 | LSorensen | Roey: I wouldn't have. |
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| 19:47.29 | Roey | Shadowcat: I did, but I compiled the filesystem and raid controller/scsi controller devices into the kernel |
| 19:47.31 | MASoft | In Debian Sarge there was a package "gstreamer0.8-jackd", but seems Debian Etch doesn't have it ! right ?! why ?! |
| 19:47.34 | Roey | Shadowcat: so why would it matter? |
| 19:47.35 | eeyore- | Roey: so, what's the problem again? :-) |
| 19:47.37 | poirierg | Hello folks |
| 19:47.39 | Shadowcat | make menu/x/config <---- that's what kills most people |
| 19:47.41 | Roey | eeyore-: it's like this: |
| 19:47.45 | LSorensen | MASoft: maybe it has a different version number |
| 19:47.47 | Roey | eeyore-: I have a Dell Poweredge 1850. |
| 19:47.50 | Shadowcat | Roey: obviously you missed something |
| 19:47.59 | LSorensen | Roey: I feel sorry for you now |
| 19:48.06 | Roey | eeyore-: I want it to have kernel 2.6 + XFS + LVM and VServers. |
| 19:48.13 | MASoft | LSorense, apt-cache search jack gstream | give nothing ! |
| 19:48.13 | Roey | eeyore-: (or Xen, but I suppose that's up the road) |
| 19:48.16 | eeyore- | Roey: ok, so far so good |
| 19:48.22 | LSorensen | Roey: hmm, my experience with xfs on lvm on 2.6 is a disaster so far |
| 19:48.25 | Roey | eeyore-: I'm wondering what the approach should be. |
| 19:48.30 | Roey | LSorensen: how so? |
| 19:48.33 | LSorensen | Roey: I had to rebuild with ext3 |
| 19:48.39 | Daveman | eww : |
| 19:48.42 | Roey | LSorensen: see, there's an XFS bug in there too. |
| 19:48.47 | LSorensen | Roey: memory leaks, crashes, filesystem corruptions |
| 19:48.51 | Daveman | LSorensen, that's a pity. |
| 19:48.52 | Roey | yup, yup. |
| 19:48.58 | eeyore- | Roey: what's your reason for XFS? |
| 19:49.04 | abrotman | not to mention .. Dell sucks |
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| 19:49.07 | Shadowcat | just for the hell of it |
| 19:49.08 | LSorensen | Roey: yeah no kidding. I filled bug reports about it and no one had a clue. eventually I couldn't wait so I fixed it by dropping xfs |
| 19:49.12 | Daveman | Shadowcat :P |
| 19:49.24 | jake1932 | i've been reading that putting samba on a server exposed to the internet is a big risk. is there a way I can have my machine expose its netbios name, but without the risk of being hacked? |
| 19:49.25 | MASoft | abrotman, , what about LG ? |
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| 19:49.33 | valdyn | !shadowcat++ |
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| 19:49.37 | Daveman | heh |
| 19:49.42 | Roey | eeyore-: reason for XFS? Just that it doesn't seem to require lengthy fscks like ext3. |
| 19:49.54 | valdyn | good one |
| 19:49.56 | abrotman | MASoft: dell makes whole system .. i don't think LG does |
| 19:49.57 | Daveman | rofl |
| 19:49.58 | eeyore- | Roey: why does ext3 "require" fsck? |
| 19:50.02 | Shadowcat | those fscks may save your ass |
| 19:50.11 | dougl | can someone help me make my fonts bigger in xchat... everything but scrolling chat window is microscopic |
| 19:50.17 | eeyore- | Roey: and in the event that ext3 does require fsck, why is that bad? |
| 19:50.21 | Daveman | haha |
| 19:50.29 | Szehne | after installing debian, is it just straight bash prompt after startup, or is there X? |
| 19:50.31 | Roey | eeyore-: the fact that ext3 has to rely on fscks every twenty mounts shows how little faith there is in ext3's journaling capabilities. |
| 19:50.33 | Daveman | eeyore-, it tends to kerpl0de? |
| 19:50.43 | Shadowcat | Roey: look buddy |
| 19:50.44 | Daveman | [more often] :p |
| 19:50.45 | dougl | Szehne, x |
| 19:50.46 | eeyore- | Roey: have you not looked at "tune2fs"? |
| 19:50.50 | Shadowcat | when you learn to compile a kernel properly |
| 19:50.51 | ViViD | does gnome have a menu editing tool?? |
| 19:50.57 | Shadowcat | we might place some more weight into what you're saying |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | Roey: you can make it more than 20 |
| 19:51.03 | Shadowcat | until then we're just laughing AT you |
| 19:51.05 | Shadowcat | not with you |
| 19:51.06 | abrotman | Roey: and FFS .. how often do you reboot ? :) |
| 19:51.07 | eeyore- | Roey: and inferring 20-mount-checks-equals-little-confidence is just plain stupid |
| 19:51.08 | Szehne | is apt-get come standard? |
| 19:51.08 | cusco | !troll |
| 19:51.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, troll is http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards) |
| 19:51.16 | Roey | Shadowcat: you can laugh as much as you want, go ahead. |
| 19:51.16 | eeyore- | Roey: that's the kind of inferrence a PHB might do |
| 19:51.24 | abrotman | Szehne: with debian .. yes |
| 19:51.25 | Shadowcat | !laugh Roey |
| 19:51.26 | Roey | eeyore-: why the heck does it do that then? |
| 19:51.29 | Shadowcat | aww |
| 19:51.30 | eeyore- | Roey: or, you can tune2fs -c0 -C0 -i0 |
| 19:51.35 | abrotman | Szehne: what is your preferred desktop ? |
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| 19:51.50 | eeyore- | Roey: it's a DEFAULT. get it? a default. unless you change it, you get that behaviour. |
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| 19:51.53 | ma3x | hello |
| 19:51.57 | Roey | eeyore-: fine. |
| 19:51.59 | abrotman | i thought 30 was the default |
| 19:52.00 | Roey | eeyore-: what about LVM? |
| 19:52.01 | Szehne | gnome- ish, i'd like to customize alot of it and make my own distro |
| 19:52.06 | Roey | eeyore-: I have a legitimate need for LVM snapshots. |
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| 19:52.10 | abrotman | Szehne: apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
| 19:52.12 | ma3x | Now that I've upgraded my kernel, I would like so much to remove my old kernel and stuff, but I can't find them |
| 19:52.17 | ma3x | the old kernel and headers is 2.6.11-2 |
| 19:52.27 | ma3x | but when I do dpkg -l | grep 2.6.11 it doesnt list it |
| 19:52.28 | Shadowcat | abrotman: isn't x-window-system-core enough? |
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| 19:52.31 | eeyore- | Roey: are you talking about dm's snapshot target? |
| 19:52.35 | LSorensen | Roey: I often run ext3 with max mounts disabled. once in a while I might decide to check it, and it never finds anything |
| 19:52.37 | ma3x | and I am still able to boot from the old kernel |
| 19:52.38 | Roey | eeyore-: I suppose? |
| 19:52.44 | ma3x | that means its still installed |
| 19:52.46 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i make no assumptions with noobs :) |
| 19:52.47 | traian | but anyway what parameters do i need to mount the ntfs by anyone? |
| 19:52.48 | ma3x | how do i RM it? |
| 19:52.51 | Roey | eeyore-: I'm pretty new to lvm (not to software raid though) |
| 19:52.55 | Shadowcat | abrotman: haha |
| 19:52.56 | eeyore- | Roey: if you're talking about DM's snapshot target, good luck :-) |
| 19:52.59 | azeem | ma3x: or you rolled that kernel manually without a .deb |
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| 19:53.05 | traian | in /etc/fstab of course |
| 19:53.06 | Roey | eeyore-: why not md then |
| 19:53.07 | LSorensen | Roey: on the other hand xfs often had major corruption when I checkd it, and of course it never checked itself automatically |
| 19:53.13 | Szehne | do you know if hacking gnome is just a matter of changing the different icons and things, or must things be recompiled? |
| 19:53.34 | abrotman | Szehne: depends how much you want to change .. irc.gnome.org is available for all kinds of gnome discussin |
| 19:53.35 | LSorensen | Roey: I hope some day the bugs in the xfs code are all fixed, then maybe I will try it again |
| 19:53.45 | ma3x | azeem, what? you dont make sense |
| 19:53.52 | Szehne | gotcha |
| 19:53.55 | Szehne | thanks all |
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| 19:54.06 | azeem | ma3x: why? |
| 19:54.12 | fbi | !tell traian about ntfs |
| 19:54.19 | ma3x | because your sentence is not understandable! |
| 19:54.44 | azeem | ma3x: so, what I mean is: One possible explanation would be that you installed the kernel manually, without using dpkg |
| 19:54.54 | thingfish | traian: if you're asking what I think you're asking, you'll probably add a umask=022 to the ntfs line in fstab. |
| 19:54.55 | azeem | like make install |
| 19:55.13 | eeyore- | Roey: why not just get a netapp and be happy? :-) (just kidding) |
| 19:55.18 | |V\oNK | hey guys, can someone gimme some guidance.. i have a debian box that boots to the cli and can run x, what id like to do is be able to vnc into it. i can ssh in and thats fine, but im still newish and will need a gui from time to time what is recomended i just apt-got vnc4server |
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| 19:55.35 | ma3x | azeem, I didn't install it manually! |
| 19:55.40 | ma3x | that package is obsolete |
| 19:55.43 | ma3x | and now i cant remove it! |
| 19:55.43 | azeem | ma3x: ok then |
| 19:55.56 | LSorensen | ma3x: COLUMNS=160 dpkg -l |grep kernel-image |
| 19:56.01 | |V\oNK | can i just config vnc4server and be able to have x start when i vnc into it? |
| 19:56.30 | ma3x | LSorense, it doesnt show anything! |
| 19:56.35 | LSorensen | |V\oNK: not as far as I know, but you can leave Xvnc server running |
| 19:56.40 | eeyore- | you with the hard-to-spell nick that looks like *ONK, why don't you just use X's remote query? |
| 19:56.46 | LSorensen | ma3x: do you have a 2.6.11 file in /boot ? |
| 19:57.04 | |V\oNK | LSorense, how do you mean "you can leave Xvnc server running" |
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| 19:57.10 | eeyore- | don't need vnc for anything these days ... kde has its own desktop sharing, so does gnome |
| 19:57.12 | LSorensen | ma3x: ie: dpkg -S /boot/vmli*2.6.11* |
| 19:57.18 | arnon | is having couple thousands of files on thousands of folder hirearchyly better than having millions of files on one root folder, in terms of i/o ? |
| 19:57.19 | eeyore- | well, ok, you need vnc for plain X :-p |
| 19:57.23 | LSorensen | ma3x: see if dpkg knows which package it belongs to |
| 19:57.30 | valdyn | eeyore-: thats vnc too |
| 19:57.35 | poop | gnome seems to use vnc for desktop sharing (before it goes nuts) |
| 19:57.37 | |V\oNK | will x need to be rnning prior to vncing into it? |
| 19:57.38 | LSorensen | arnon: most filesystems are not very good at large directories |
| 19:57.45 | eeyore- | valdyn: (yeah but it's already *there*) |
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| 19:57.49 | LSorensen | arnon: some are good at it |
| 19:57.52 | eeyore- | valdyn: as in, you don't need anything extra :-) |
| 19:58.06 | valdyn | yea |
| 19:58.12 | arnon | LSorense, so multiple directories is better ? |
| 19:58.26 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 19:58.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 19:58.27 | arnon | LSorensen, so multiple directories is better ? |
| 19:58.32 | LSorensen | arnon: well it depends on the filesystem and how it is going to be used |
| 19:58.34 | lifeform | how do I install kernel 2.4.20 headers (running unstable)? I am running kernel 2.4.20 but I seem to have 2.6.13 headers on the system. How do I install the 2.4.20 headers? |
| 19:58.39 | Roey | eeyore-: I'm gonna try and figure out why the original kernel (2.6) won't boot |
| 19:58.41 | abrotman | also depends on the size of the files |
| 19:58.45 | eeyore- | LSorense: massive pr0n collection |
| 19:58.56 | eeyore- | LSorense: i'd say his problem is with the viewer, not filesystem |
| 19:58.59 | arnon | abrotman, all will be approximately the same |
| 19:59.04 | LSorensen | arnon: also doing maintenance on one large dir is very hard since ls will be very slow and unmanagable |
| 19:59.54 | arnon | LSorensen, so multiple smaller directories is an easier load for the system? |
| 19:59.55 | eeyore- | arnon: start making a-z ! # @ directories to organize your pr0n, i have an executable that'll rename your pr0n files for you, remove spaces, remove extraneous !!!!!! and some such, and file them away in the proper resting place |
| 20:00.20 | abrotman | arnon: yes .. big or small though :) |
| 20:00.22 | LSorensen | arnon: certainly for most filesystems it is. makes it faster to update the dir entries on changes too. |
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| 20:00.39 | jair | guys I am looking for the mayority of games and educational files available for Linux, like i know that is an educational-desktop-kde |
| 20:01.04 | ma3x | LSorense, dpkg: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-1-686 not found. |
| 20:01.05 | jair | anyboby knows a site that have info about all this packages the games, the educational tools, etc |
| 20:01.11 | abrotman | jair: check the debian/edu project .. |
| 20:01.15 | abrotman | !debian jr/ |
| 20:01.17 | abrotman | !debian jr |
| 20:01.18 | dpkg | debian jr is, like, a sub project of debian to create an environment ideally suited for the computer based education and play of children. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ |
| 20:01.31 | jair | abrotman, thank you ;) |
| 20:01.45 | jair | abrotman, you rocks |
| 20:01.48 | azeem | ma3x: so are you sure a 2.6.11 kernel is in /boot? |
| 20:02.00 | ma3x | azeem, YES! |
| 20:02.09 | ma3x | vmlinuz-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 20:02.21 | arnon | LSorensen, I have arounf 15,000 files on one directories , so I should spread them out on multiple directories to make my filesystem's performance better ? |
| 20:02.28 | LSorensen | ma3x: well dpkg says it does NOT belong to a packge, so it was either copied there manually, or someone messed with the dpkg database manually |
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| 20:02.43 | azeem | ma3x: try to see whether it appears in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:02.46 | ma3x | LSorense, nobody messed and it was not copied |
| 20:02.48 | ma3x | LSorense, 2.6.11 is not anymore in the sources! |
| 20:02.51 | ma3x | maybe thatswhy |
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| 20:03.01 | LSorensen | arnon: well it might be slightly faster. Not that 15000 is a big deal. I once dealt with a system with 2000000 files in one dir. that was painful |
| 20:03.01 | azeem | sources? |
| 20:03.20 | arnon | LSorensen, I see, thanks |
| 20:03.22 | LSorensen | ma3x: doesn't matter what is in sources. if the package is installed it is installed and dpkg knows which files it has |
| 20:03.27 | ma3x | no its from 2005-12-01 |
| 20:03.49 | ma3x | LSorense, this package has been remove from the sources |
| 20:03.51 | ma3x | maybe thats why? |
| 20:03.58 | ma3x | but it WAS installed as a kernel-image |
| 20:04.00 | LSorensen | ma3x: only by manually deleting files beloging to dpkg in /var/lib or by uninstalling the package can dpkg forget about the file |
| 20:04.02 | azeem | ma3x: what do you mean "this package"? |
| 20:04.12 | azeem | ma3x: how did you remove it? |
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| 20:04.21 | LSorensen | ma3x: so you can't install it again anymore |
| 20:04.27 | jair | abrotman, I think I will get involved with that project as well with debian ;) |
| 20:04.30 | ma3x | LSorense, I don't want to install it |
| 20:04.33 | jair | I love it ;) |
| 20:04.37 | ma3x | I want to delete it because I have a new kernel |
| 20:04.38 | abrotman | jair: good plan |
| 20:04.45 | ma3x | so I thought of deleting it the proper way |
| 20:04.47 | ma3x | dpkg or apt-get |
| 20:04.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me ... |
| 20:04.52 | ma3x | but its not listed there |
| 20:05.00 | ma3x | so what files do I have to remove manually |
| 20:05.02 | LSorensen | ma3x: well something was already done that wasn't the proper way, so you no longer can do it the proper way |
| 20:05.20 | ma3x | okay , how do I do it the alternative way ? |
| 20:05.23 | LSorensen | ma3x: /lib/modules/2.6.11-.... and /boot/*2.6.11* or something |
| 20:05.42 | LSorensen | ma3x: and some stuff in /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-2.6.11... |
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| 20:05.56 | LSorensen | ma3x: I would also worry about what was done to screw it up in the first place |
| 20:05.59 | predius_ | hey guys, do you have a dns server handy? |
| 20:06.15 | ma3x | LSorense, nothing, what could I have done? |
| 20:06.27 | ma3x | I couldn't manually have installed that kernel |
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| 20:06.30 | ma3x | I never do that! |
| 20:06.45 | Denn | i want to start a program in another screen using screen |
| 20:06.52 | Denn | Cant figure out which input to use |
| 20:06.53 | azeem | ma3x: does dpkg.log report it got removed at some point? |
| 20:06.59 | Denn | i should start ./vt_srv |
| 20:07.13 | ma3x | azeem, not installed not removed |
| 20:07.18 | ma3x | azeem, that .log is from 1 week ago |
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| 20:07.33 | ma3x | I dont uderstand why. I never deleted that log and its just 1 week old |
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| 20:07.48 | azeem | ma3x: did you upgrade to testing at that point? |
| 20:08.21 | dougl | can anyone help me config gtk2 on debian/kde install, I am used to mandrake and need pointers |
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| 20:08.54 | ma3x | azeem, no! I did dist-upgrade *(sid) |
| 20:09.04 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 20:09.10 | ma3x | Shadowcat, what/ |
| 20:09.13 | Shadowcat | doing dist-upgrade blindly on sid is a STUPID idea |
| 20:09.21 | Shadowcat | you have no idea of what that can break |
| 20:09.28 | azeem | Shadowcat: did ma3x mention it was blindly? |
| 20:09.30 | numist | Shadowcat: in most cases, everything |
| 20:10.18 | azeem | ma3x: well, dpkg.log gets rotated to dpkg.log.1 etc. |
| 20:10.19 | nostur | abrotman: they dont know what 2 do with it, what should change it, reinstalling debian or changing from gnome 2 kde// |
| 20:10.28 | abrotman | nostur: did you ask #gnome ?> |
| 20:10.43 | ma3x | azeem, hold on then let me find it! |
| 20:10.45 | nostur | abrotman: they dont know |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | nostur: wait a while .. ask again |
| 20:11.01 | abrotman | nostur: in the mean time .. use xterm |
| 20:11.33 | nostur | abrotman: how i can run xterm? and i asked, they dont know, |
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| 20:12.57 | abrotman | nostur: check the apps menu .. should be there |
| 20:13.21 | |V\oNK | for me its somewhere > run > Eterm |
| 20:13.53 | nostur | i can use Konsole, it works |
| 20:14.06 | azeem | nostur: just run xterm & from there, then |
| 20:14.20 | stew | its freakin cold out |
| 20:14.37 | nostur | azeem: xterm & ? |
| 20:14.38 | ma3x | I have found in the older logs of dpkg that 2.6.11 has been installed |
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| 20:15.19 | |V\oNK | i figured it out |
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| 20:15.28 | |V\oNK | thx tho |
| 20:15.41 | outlaw84 | what happens if I install/compile lets say glib or any other lib and apt later installs a new version of that lib? |
| 20:15.45 | ma3x | 2005-08-10 20:24:10 status unpacked kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 2.6.11-7 |
| 20:15.54 | stew | outlaw84: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 20:16.02 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 20:16.08 | ma3x | there |
| 20:16.08 | ma3x | it has been installed |
| 20:16.30 | valdyn | dougl: what do you want to do exactly? make gtk adjust to kde's theme? |
| 20:16.36 | ludwig | I have some trouble with a "AVM Fritz! PCI 2.0", CPAI and the 2.6.12 kernel ... |
| 20:16.44 | ma3x | so how do I remove 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 20:16.47 | ludwig | It works only partly |
| 20:16.54 | stew | ma3x: dpkg -r packagename |
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| 20:17.01 | dougl | valdyn, exactly |
| 20:17.31 | ludwig | When I send a fax to the host, the host picks up the line and then nothing happens. The sender gets: /usr/sbin/sendfax: FAILED to transmit 'f1.g3'. |
| 20:17.31 | ludwig | Transmission error: +FHNG:25 (DCS sent three times without response) |
| 20:17.32 | ludwig | command exited with status 12 |
| 20:17.34 | valdyn | dougl: found the part in the control panel of kde yet that can change how gtk is treated? |
| 20:17.45 | dougl | valdyn, kde is working but does not look like it did on mandriva |
| 20:17.55 | ma3x | stew, remember earlier, we talked about it , and you said 2.6.11 is obsolete |
| 20:18.02 | stew | ma3x: yes, i remember |
| 20:18.15 | ma3x | stew, well now I have it on my machine but dpkg won't list it! |
| 20:18.17 | stew | ma3x: i remember telling you earlier how to remove it as well |
| 20:18.22 | valdyn | dougl: hmm? what has that last thing to do with gtk? |
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| 20:18.27 | stew | ma3x: what do you mean, won't list it? |
| 20:18.32 | ma3x | stew, any idea why is it gone, or how do I remove it properly? Because I have all files left |
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| 20:18.35 | ma3x | stew, let me check if you told me how |
| 20:18.46 | ma3x | stew, dpkg -l | grep kernel-image doesnt show anything |
| 20:18.51 | dougl | valdyn, dunno :) |
| 20:19.02 | ma3x | dpkg -l | grep linux-image shows only the new one (2.6.14) |
| 20:19.04 | dpkg | ii | grep linux-image shows only the new one (2.6.14) 2.8-15.2 ma3x's private stamp collection |
| 20:19.05 | ludwig | well? |
| 20:19.24 | azeem | ma3x: is there /var/lib/dpkg/info/*2.6.11* |
| 20:19.26 | azeem | ? |
| 20:19.28 | valdyn | dougl: you can do 2 things basically, install a gtk theme that looks like qt's keramik ( or geramik or whatever ) |
| 20:19.30 | dougl | valdyn, is the control center the control pannel? |
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| 20:19.40 | valdyn | dougl: thats probably the better working way |
| 20:19.52 | valdyn | dougl: yea |
| 20:19.57 | ma3x | azeem, YES there is! |
| 20:20.04 | azeem | ma3x: a .list? |
| 20:20.05 | valdyn | dougl: apt-get install gtk2-engines-geramik |
| 20:20.10 | azeem | that'll tell you which files |
| 20:20.27 | valdyn | dougl: the more advanced thing would be: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 20:20.38 | ma3x | azeem, yes /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686.list and /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686.list |
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| 20:20.42 | valdyn | dougl: which will try to look like _any_ qt theme that you currently use |
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| 20:21.17 | valdyn | dougl: doesnt work that nice in my experience thogh, only for few selected themes its ok |
| 20:21.19 | dougl | valdyn, that later would be close to the mandrake config I think... but point and click is not my forte |
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| 20:21.29 | stew | ma3x: what about "dpkg --get-selections | grep 2.6.11" |
| 20:21.31 | Roey | LSorensen: ok, so I'll use ext3 then. |
| 20:21.37 | valdyn | dougl: apt-get install those |
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| 20:21.49 | ma3x | stew, nothing :( |
| 20:21.49 | Roey | lsorensen: anyhow, that's trivial, as my current FS on there is ext3. |
| 20:21.53 | datoby | hi |
| 20:22.01 | Roey | datoby: hi |
| 20:22.11 | ma3x | damn it |
| 20:22.14 | datoby | i dont know what is false |
| 20:22.19 | valdyn | dougl: i have no idea how else to configure kde but by using its control center.. |
| 20:22.22 | datoby | look at this little script |
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| 20:22.24 | datoby | for ((b=1, c=2; b <= NUMBACK; b++, c++)) |
| 20:22.24 | datoby | do |
| 20:22.24 | datoby | if [[ -e $FILE.$b.$FILEEXT ]] |
| 20:22.25 | datoby | then |
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| 20:22.40 | ma3x | how can this happen? |
| 20:22.40 | ma3x | installed package, no info about it ?! |
| 20:22.46 | datoby | oh sry ;) |
| 20:22.53 | dougl | valdyn, thanks |
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| 20:23.05 | LSorensen | ma3x: as far as I know, only through manually messing with things. |
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| 20:23.25 | LSorensen | ma3x: altuough if there was a bug in a version of dpkg and you happended to have that version for a short time, anything could happen I guess |
| 20:23.53 | hent | Will changin from SysV to file-rc remove all my rc dirs in /etc? |
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| 20:24.01 | ma3x | LSorense, I'm tellin you, I've never done anything to manually mess with it |
| 20:24.09 | kjdis | I tried compiling a new kernel, and I lost network support, how can I drop back to some generic network driver that worked previously? |
| 20:24.50 | FlimFlamMan | anyone know which package provides /usr/bin/validate ? |
| 20:24.57 | abrotman | !tell FlimFlamMan about search |
| 20:25.09 | datoby | for ((b=1, c=2; b <= NUMBACK; b++, c++)) |
| 20:25.11 | datoby | do |
| 20:25.11 | datoby | if [[ -e $FILE.$b.$FILEEXT ]] |
| 20:25.11 | datoby | then |
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| 20:25.21 | FlimFlamMan | thanks |
| 20:25.27 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
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| 20:25.34 | ma3x | stew, since that old kernel is not in the dpkg db, should I remove it manually , and if yes, how? |
| 20:25.35 | ma3x | please? |
| 20:25.40 | SimonRaven | !tell datoby -about paste |
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| 20:26.30 | datoby | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1234 |
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| 20:26.44 | datoby | echo does it the right way |
| 20:26.47 | datoby | 1 to 2 |
| 20:26.49 | datoby | 2 to 3 |
| 20:27.03 | datoby | but with mv it wont work |
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| 20:27.32 | Combatjuan | I just installed Debian Testing. I'm having a problem getting into KDE (the #kde folks sent me here). |
| 20:27.34 | datoby | the first time: |
| 20:27.36 | datoby | -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 3719168 2005-12-07 21:27 backup.1.tar.gz |
| 20:27.39 | datoby | it is okay |
| 20:27.48 | valdyn | Combatjuan: use sarge/stable |
| 20:28.03 | datoby | the second time it looks like thi |
| 20:28.05 | datoby | s |
| 20:28.06 | datoby | -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 3719168 2005-12-07 21:27 backup.6.tar.gz |
| 20:28.06 | Combatjuan | Is testing broken? |
| 20:28.18 | datoby | i dont know why :/ |
| 20:28.20 | valdyn | Combatjuan: usually |
| 20:28.20 | nostur | lol |
| 20:28.22 | cheal | Combatjuan: define broken |
| 20:28.33 | nostur | testing means, that its TESTING version with bugs |
| 20:28.35 | abrotman | Combatjuan: ask #debian-kde |
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| 20:28.48 | Combatjuan | I can kdm or startx into KDE as root, but when I try and do it as a regular user, the X server seems to freeze. |
| 20:29.05 | nostur | starting X as root? phew |
| 20:29.08 | Combatjuan | abrotman, (-8 Nobody likes me. (-8 Ok. |
| 20:29.16 | cheal | Combatjuan: but X starts fine as a user? |
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| 20:29.25 | Combatjuan | nostur, It's not that I want to run KDE as root, I'm just saying that I can do that, but I can't as a regular user. |
| 20:29.33 | Combatjuan | cheal, Yes, X starts fine. |
| 20:29.35 | abrotman | Combatjuan: i know that kde in testing is broken .. but not to what extent .. that's why i sent you to #debian-kde |
| 20:29.43 | Kluster_v2 | nostur, the guy is trying to pinpoint the problem, he did right |
| 20:29.48 | nostur | ok |
| 20:30.16 | cheal | KDE is not broken in testing. the meta package is really often uninstallable |
| 20:30.22 | hent | Hi, im playing around with some packages, and am wondering the following: If i change from System V to file-rc, will it remove all my System V settings (/etc/rc dirs etc) ? |
| 20:30.29 | abrotman | cheal: that would be broken :) |
| 20:30.39 | Smith | how to tell sendmail to bounce mail for non-existant users? |
| 20:30.55 | nostur | Kluster_v2: better killing my proccess, can u?? |
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| 20:31.00 | LSorensen | smi: sure, generate more traffic from spam why don't you |
| 20:31.04 | LSorensen | er RojSmith |
| 20:31.05 | cheal | abrotman: you stable lover |
| 20:31.15 | LSorensen | RojSmith: sam belongs in /dev/null and no where else |
| 20:31.16 | tarzeau | cheal: he's using testing |
| 20:31.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: when will you use sid? |
| 20:31.28 | ma3x | LSorense, stew no answer about the kernel-package problem? |
| 20:31.30 | LSorensen | spam even |
| 20:31.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: when i have a machine that i don't need on a daily basis :) |
| 20:31.48 | LSorensen | ma3x: well other than dpkg bug at some point, or user error, I don't know of any way it can happen |
| 20:31.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know having sid doesn't mean you need to upgrade daily |
| 20:31.54 | RojSmith | LSorense: fine, how do i tell it to do that? all it does is pospones, and tries again later. it clogs my server |
| 20:32.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know that |
| 20:32.16 | deadcat | should i just upgrade to udev since linux-wlan-ng is gonna remove hotplug and install udev? |
| 20:32.26 | abrotman | duh |
| 20:32.26 | quittt | HELP ME!! the power turned off while I was updating my system!! |
| 20:32.27 | ma3x | LSorense, in that case which files should I remove manually ? |
| 20:32.28 | valdyn | deadcat: yes |
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| 20:32.30 | quittt | what should I do? |
| 20:32.33 | abrotman | quittt: GET AN UPS! |
| 20:32.34 | LSorensen | RojSmith: not sure. I don't use sendmail because I hate the idiotic config syntax. |
| 20:32.39 | LSorensen | ma3x: I already told you that |
| 20:32.48 | abrotman | quittt: start again ? |
| 20:32.52 | hent | Nobody here uses file-rc? o.O |
| 20:32.53 | RojSmith | LSorense: i know what you mean, but sadly i have no choise |
| 20:32.54 | quittt | abrotman, I dont have money, I am brazilian I am poor |
| 20:33.01 | LSorensen | quittt: it will almost always work if you just do the update again |
| 20:33.03 | deadcat | valdyn: yes move to udev? |
| 20:33.12 | valdyn | deadcat: yes |
| 20:33.16 | LSorensen | RojSmith: someone without a clue is forcing you? |
| 20:33.18 | abrotman | i thought all the brazilians were rich from selling thier natural resources to gringos ? |
| 20:33.33 | quittt | abrotman, ... |
| 20:33.33 | RojSmith | LSorense: just about |
| 20:33.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: and columbians? |
| 20:33.43 | abrotman | quittt: humor! |
| 20:33.51 | deadcat | ya. i think you mean columbians |
| 20:34.07 | vincent` | columbians are rich from kidnapping =D |
| 20:34.08 | LSorensen | RojSmith: sendmail is the most painful to configure, probably the mail server that has had the most security problem ever (well maybe exchange rivals it). |
| 20:34.14 | tarzeau | vincent`: not drugs? |
| 20:34.39 | GNULinux | I am having trouble using mx CD-RW on windows machine (it doesnt read the CD), I did mkisofs -o file.iso file.avi ; cdrecord file.iso ...I can play the file under linux, but not in windows? |
| 20:34.40 | LSorensen | RojSmith: but it should certainly support dropping messages that have no valid target |
| 20:34.41 | vincent` | =P |
| 20:35.03 | LSorensen | GNULinux: does it see the file? |
| 20:35.09 | GNULinux | LSorensen: no |
| 20:35.12 | deadcat | k. i am really oging to udev unless somene stop me |
| 20:35.18 | blondie | squee |
| 20:35.29 | LSorensen | GNULinux: so it shows a blank cd? |
| 20:35.44 | LSorensen | GNULinux: or does it think the drive is empty? |
| 20:35.47 | RojSmith | LSorense: i bet it does, just looking for how its done ;) |
| 20:35.57 | GNULinux | LSorensen: windows compains about wrong disc data, in explorer i cant browse CD |
| 20:36.04 | ma3x | LSorense, thanks a lot mate! |
| 20:36.09 | LSorensen | GNULinux: well some older cdrom drives can not read cd-rw |
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| 20:36.15 | GNULinux | LSorensen: maybe its becose the disc is CD-RW |
| 20:36.17 | LSorensen | GNULinux: some can't read high speed cd-rw |
| 20:36.26 | LSorensen | GNULinux: some can't read ultra-high speed cd-rw |
| 20:36.33 | GNULinux | LSorensen: ok, i am gonna try with a normal CD |
| 20:36.34 | LSorensen | GNULinux: some can't read discs that aren't closed sessions |
| 20:36.38 | hever | hello, I'm in trouble installing kde on my system, from where are you installing kde? apt-source |
| 20:37.03 | LSorensen | GNULinux: I tend to add -J -R to mkisofs to support long filenames on most systems. |
| 20:37.04 | valdyn | hever: kde is broken in testing |
| 20:37.13 | hever | ooohhh i see |
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| 20:37.21 | hever | and what could I do? |
| 20:37.53 | hever | valdyn thats my problem ;) |
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| 20:38.25 | cheal | abrotman, tarzeau: don't you think we're making a great trio? what can stop all of gnustep, gnome and KDE? |
| 20:38.50 | tarzeau | cheal: did you see the last slashdot articel on GNUstep ? |
| 20:39.01 | deadcat | tarzeau: you use udev? |
| 20:39.03 | loxley_ | guys if i enable pinning and set stable to highest priority will a normal apt-get install just grab packages from stable? |
| 20:39.06 | tarzeau | cheal: wait you and abrotman are also GNUstep fans? |
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| 20:39.14 | tarzeau | deadcat: haha. no way i'm gonna use that crap |
| 20:39.19 | deadcat | k |
| 20:39.21 | lost_and_found | hi all |
| 20:39.24 | tarzeau | deadcat: i'd panic everytime my device disappears |
| 20:39.26 | cheal | tarzeau: hehe, no, I never even tried gnustep |
| 20:39.38 | tarzeau | deadcat: and get hysterically excited when it reappears. magic |
| 20:39.39 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 20:39.48 | deadcat | tarzeau: hehe. but sooner or later the softwares will force us to use it right? like linux-wlan-ng |
| 20:39.59 | lost_and_found | I might be shifting to Seoul sometime soon and I was wondering which laptop is best suited for installing deb (SID) on. |
| 20:40.01 | cheal | tarzeau: just seeing people being so proud of running it is scaring enough |
| 20:40.12 | tarzeau | cheal: hah :) |
| 20:40.36 | tarzeau | cheal: check this article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1354255&tid=94 (aurynn is our woman!) |
| 20:40.47 | Combatjuan | abrotman, Well, if I change my sources.list back to stable and run 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will that put me on stable? |
| 20:41.15 | GNULinux | LSorensen: if i burn a CD with 12x speed, it will not read on a 8x speed CDROM ? |
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| 20:41.50 | cheal | tarzeau: oh, yeah, I've read this one. I was too much laughing at the "and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects" bit to go on reading :) |
| 20:42.06 | tarzeau | cheal: heheha me too, had so much tears |
| 20:42.24 | cheal | Combatjuan: downgrading is not supported |
| 20:42.27 | Eulex | Combatjuan, no. |
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| 20:42.56 | |V\oNK | how can i remove the ip6 protocol from my PC? |
| 20:43.12 | Duelist | Combatjuan: once you've upgraded you're stuck. this holds true whether you want to go from unstable to testing or stable, or testing to stable |
| 20:43.21 | Duelist | I have stuff on my system from unstable still |
| 20:43.25 | tarzeau | |V\oNK: rmmod ipv6 ? |
| 20:43.32 | cheal | tarzeau: how big is gnustep to download? |
| 20:43.36 | abrotman | Combatjuan: no .. that won't work |
| 20:43.37 | Combatjuan | Duelist, So I've got to reinstall?!?!? |
| 20:43.39 | tarzeau | apt nickometer |V\oNK |
| 20:43.41 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 20:43.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 20:43.47 | abrotman | Combatjuan: ^^ start small work up |
| 20:43.47 | Duelist | Combatjuan: or, manually downgrade all the packages by hand |
| 20:43.52 | Combatjuan | Ouch. |
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| 20:44.05 | Combatjuan | I've always been pretty happy with testing and even unstable. |
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| 20:44.14 | Duelist | testing isn't too bad. |
| 20:44.22 | Duelist | unstable is not for the faint of heart though. |
| 20:44.25 | abrotman | Combatjuan: does kdebase install .. or kde-core ? |
| 20:44.40 | Combatjuan | abrotman, kdebase |
| 20:44.49 | MASoft_ | xineui is not available in Etch ? |
| 20:44.50 | abrotman | start from there .. install other stuff you need |
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| 20:44.56 | cheal | kde-core installs in all releases |
| 20:45.02 | abrotman | Combatjuan: blame the C++ abi change |
| 20:45.54 | mario__ | hello, I installed a cvs server in my debian box. How can I run some security tasks on it?? |
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| 20:46.07 | cheal | MASoft_: no |
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| 20:46.38 | stew | mario__: what kind of tasks do you have in mind? |
| 20:46.41 | mario__ | or better, is there some way to check security in a cvs server? |
| 20:47.00 | MASoft_ | cheal, do u know why ? |
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| 20:47.15 | cheal | !tell MASoft_ about why is xine-ui not in testing |
| 20:47.22 | meriad | anybody here know the monitor specs for a toshiba satellite 3000 laptops monitor horizontal, and vertical ranges? |
| 20:48.09 | mario__ | mmm, maybe try to see if anonymous users can see my files. I don't want that! |
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| 20:48.24 | fevel | whats the bittorrent client on debian?? |
| 20:48.41 | cheal | fevel: there are several |
| 20:49.05 | fevel | cheal: which one do you recommend?? |
| 20:49.13 | Eulex | fevel, apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 20:49.22 | fevel | bittorrent, azureus? |
| 20:49.28 | stew | mario__: until you give someone access nobody can see your files |
| 20:49.29 | cheal | fevel: neither, I don't use bittorrent enough. I use bittornado |
| 20:49.50 | mario__ | well, I haven't got cvs with pserver, with ssh instead |
| 20:49.55 | stew | fevel: install bittornado and run btdownloadcurses /path/to.torrent |
| 20:50.01 | kjdis | Can someone explain to me how to get generic ethernet support? My system had network before I compiled a new kernel, so I'd just like to know what to select for generic support |
| 20:50.14 | fevel | cheal: do you think bittornado is better than bittorrent 4.1? |
| 20:50.15 | stew | mario__: then access to the file is controlled via access to ssh and normal unix permissions |
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| 20:50.26 | cheal | fevel: I don't know |
| 20:50.54 | Eulex | !better |
| 20:50.55 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 20:51.16 | stew | foo IS better than bar |
| 20:51.55 | mario__ | ok, thanks stew |
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| 20:53.45 | abrotman | stew: i disagree |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | i mean .. what can you do with foo .. at least you can do stuff with bar |
| 20:54.13 | abrotman | kjdis: go back to the old kernel .. fix your new kernel |
| 20:55.10 | Eulex | kjdis, if you try to build your own kernel, at least base your .config on a .config from a debian kernel |
| 20:55.13 | GNULinux | I am having trouble using mx CD-RW on windows machine (it doesnt read the CD), I did mkisofs -o file.iso file.avi ; cdrecord file.iso ...I can play the file under linux, but not in windows? |
| 20:55.28 | Eulex | !windows |
| 20:55.29 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 20:55.31 | cheal | I mailed control@bugs.d.o with a retitle line over 70 chars long and the BTS changed it to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=302103;msg=17 is this normal? and if so, is it normal that you can't retitle to the maximum bug title length? or there's a workaround? |
| 20:55.45 | abrotman | GNULinux: ask .. #windows ? |
| 20:55.47 | kjdis | Eulex: I did base it on that |
| 20:55.48 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:55.53 | |V\oNK | that was weak man |
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| 20:56.22 | abrotman | !phillysmite jake1932 |
| 20:56.32 | tarzeau | Eulex: and http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg |
| 20:56.38 | kjdis | I guess I can load the original kernel then inspect what driver gets loaded |
| 20:56.44 | marculix | abrotman: tell him to reboot |
| 20:56.46 | abrotman | good plan |
| 20:56.48 | jake1932 | i need it |
| 20:56.49 | abrotman | marculix: tell who ? |
| 20:57.00 | abrotman | marculix: i thought i was on your infinite /dev/null list ;) |
| 20:57.09 | marculix | I rebooted abrotman |
| 20:57.11 | jake1932 | shouldn't use netbios on the net, right? |
| 20:57.15 | abrotman | marculix: you silly kid |
| 20:57.28 | abrotman | jake1932: hey .. if it's good enough for microsoft .. wait .. nevermind ... |
| 20:57.34 | jake1932 | heh |
| 20:57.45 | abrotman | jake1932: you can .. not a great idea .. but you can |
| 20:57.56 | jake1932 | i'd like not to |
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| 20:58.08 | jake1932 | can i get ddclient to update my ip? |
| 20:58.25 | jake1932 | (not the one on the dyn server) |
| 20:58.43 | nostur | abrotman: so, do u think switching gnome ---> KDE will help? i asked many ppl, no one knows |
| 20:58.51 | mario__ | bye |
| 20:58.58 | abrotman | nostur: that's right .. noone knows ... you'll have to try it .. or try xterm |
| 20:59.26 | vincent` | binarydigit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libbind9.so.0 |
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| 20:59.30 | vincent` | anyone been able to fix that error ? |
| 20:59.31 | nostur | abroatman: i tried, maybe everything, and i figured out, that its bad only in shell, everywhere else its ok |
| 20:59.49 | abrotman | nostur: try xterm .. or Eterm .. or any of the other dozens in Debian |
| 20:59.58 | tarzeau | nostur: Terminal.app |
| 20:59.58 | nostur | ok |
| 21:00.00 | valdyn | nostur: you are aware that gnome-terminal can use its own font independent of the rest of gnome? |
| 21:00.14 | Eulex | vincent`, compiled against wrong version of libbind9? |
| 21:00.15 | nostur | valdyn: looks like it |
| 21:00.22 | tarzeau | checked bugs.debian.org for konsole and gnome-terminal yet? |
| 21:00.34 | valdyn | nostur: so cant you change the font in the terminal? |
| 21:00.35 | nostur | no, ill see it |
| 21:00.43 | nostur | valdyn: its still same |
| 21:01.27 | valdyn | nostur: all fonts changed _in_ gnome terminal look broken? |
| 21:01.44 | Eulex | vincent`, we could very likely help you more if you tell is what you were trying to do before you got this error |
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| 21:01.57 | nostur | valdyn: yep |
| 21:02.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:02.12 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:02.26 | valdyn | nostur: what if you start gnome-terminal as a different user? |
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| 21:02.40 | nostur | valdyn: dont tried it, ill add one and see |
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| 21:03.32 | Eulex | vincent`, s/is/us/ |
| 21:03.51 | nostur | valdyn: whats the cmd for adding user, useradd or adduser, i hate the bad encoding :( |
| 21:04.15 | Eulex | anyway, g'nite |
| 21:04.22 | nostur | nite |
| 21:04.47 | valdyn | nostur: you dont need to use gnome-terminal for this.. 'adduser' |
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| 21:06.01 | nostur | valdyn: i used konsole :) |
| 21:06.11 | beardy | !popcorn |
| 21:06.51 | tarzeau | !factinfo popcorn |
| 21:06.51 | dpkg | popcorn -- created by beardy <n=beardy@unaffiliated/beardy> 1m 40s ago. |
| 21:06.57 | tarzeau | beardy: heh ;) |
| 21:07.00 | beardy | :) |
| 21:07.34 | beardy | (it's a $randnick) |
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| 21:07.42 | alephant | Hey... |
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| 21:08.10 | nostur | valdyn: even if i run it under diff user, still tis phuked |
| 21:08.11 | *** join/#debian gavri (i=gmisu@86.125.20.187) |
| 21:08.27 | alephant | ...where are package update logged? If I want to find out when (a) my box and (b) Debian itself incremented Python versions, where would I find that data? |
| 21:08.35 | gavri | bich's is here |
| 21:08.43 | gavri | i fuck yopu man |
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| 21:09.02 | Roey | gavri: heh |
| 21:09.11 | Roey | gavri: short for gavriel? |
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| 21:09.36 | gavri | you are black man |
| 21:09.39 | gavri | ? |
| 21:09.52 | sean_micken|work | hey i've got a stable debian system, but i need a php4-mysql that's linked against the 4.1 mysql libs... |
| 21:09.53 | cheal | alephant: in dpkg's log, if you're using dpkg 1.13 |
| 21:10.21 | gavri | fuck you off php4 |
| 21:10.34 | alephant | cheal: and where does Debian itself log package upgrades - I mean when the distro (stable/unstable/testing) logs new packages added? |
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| 21:10.45 | levander | Suggestions on a cool graphical diff tool? |
| 21:10.48 | RojSmith | gavri: damn right. you tell it! |
| 21:11.10 | gavri | bull sheath |
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| 21:11.12 | Lilldude10 | wahts the code to manual start ssh? |
| 21:11.12 | cheal | alephant: same answer |
| 21:11.14 | ircdevil | levander: tkdiff |
| 21:11.22 | beardy | Lilldude10: code? |
| 21:11.38 | Lilldude10 | what you type in shelll to start it |
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| 21:11.53 | beardy | Lilldude10: '/etc/init.d/ssh start' if that's what you mean, or 'ssh someplace.foo' |
| 21:12.20 | alephant | cheal: so when a package maintainer decides to release foo-1.5 to the world, that gets logged in my local dpkg log, even if I don't upgrade the package? |
| 21:12.29 | alephant | cheal: where do the devs log a package upgrade? |
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| 21:12.45 | Lilldude10 | ty |
| 21:12.46 | cheal | alephant: arg |
| 21:12.54 | cheal | alephant: changelogs.debian.net |
| 21:13.01 | cheal | alephant: sorry |
| 21:13.12 | alephant | cheal: tq |
| 21:13.19 | ircdevil | sean_micken|work: check www.apt-get.org and backports.org |
| 21:13.25 | alephant | cheal: by 'dpkg log' you mean /var/log/dpkg, eh? |
| 21:13.29 | cheal | alephant: yes |
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| 21:13.35 | levander | ircdevil: does tkdiff have interfaces to svn and cvs? |
| 21:13.38 | alephant | cheal: thanks a lot |
| 21:13.52 | ircdevil | levander i dont know |
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| 21:14.06 | levander | ircdevil: okay, thanks, i'll look into it |
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| 21:15.03 | linescanner | guys anyone know of a good howto for cyrus and postfix on sarge ? |
| 21:15.20 | abrotman | sean_micken|work: afaik .. you have to rebuild the package |
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| 21:16.51 | alephant | cheal, that web interface is cute, but it doesn't list python ~:-/ |
| 21:16.59 | learnfromscratch | i would like to install all packages relating to php.. i am confused about the use of apt-file.. apt-file search php does not return any results ... can some one explain |
| 21:17.10 | cheal | alephant: are you sure? |
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| 21:17.25 | Roey | alephant: your nick sounds like a drunk elephant holding gallons of beer in its trunk |
| 21:17.27 | Roey | alephant: great nick |
| 21:17.28 | cheal | learnfromscratch: you should probably run apt-file update |
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| 21:17.37 | alephant | cheal: http://changelogs.debian.net/python |
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| 21:18.06 | alephant | Roey, glad you like it. It's actually an obscure pun, but if it makes you think of drunk elephants then that's swell too. |
| 21:18.24 | cheal | alephant: http://changelogs.debian.net/python2.3 it takes source package names |
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| 21:19.28 | alephant | cheal - I see :-() |
| 21:19.28 | MucusFilledDonut | hey cheal |
| 21:19.38 | cheal | MucusFilledDonut: hum...hi |
| 21:20.37 | MucusFilledDonut | cheal: (Roey) |
| 21:20.54 | cheal | MucusFilledDonut: ah, hi Roey |
| 21:21.14 | stew | learnfromscratch: apt-file searches for files within a package. you are probably looking search package descriptions: "apt-cache search php" or package names: "apt-cache search --names-only php" |
| 21:21.17 | cheal | nice nickname |
| 21:21.56 | MucusFilledDonut | cheal: thanks!! |
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| 21:22.00 | jimr | hello wizards - I have a newbie question - should I just shoot? |
| 21:22.12 | Woody^working | How can I install grub on an usb stick ? |
| 21:22.16 | stew | jimr: yes |
| 21:22.26 | stew | jimr: of course assuming you've read the FAQ already |
| 21:22.36 | tarzeau | Woody^working: make a filesystem first |
| 21:22.41 | Woody^working | Because after I do grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:22.44 | ircdevil | !n00b |
| 21:22.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 21:22.46 | Woody^working | I did |
| 21:22.53 | Woody^working | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 |
| 21:22.55 | ircdevil | !noob |
| 21:22.55 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 21:23.19 | Woody^working | tarzeau: I get: /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOD drive |
| 21:23.32 | valdyn | jimr: just ask |
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| 21:24.45 | jimr | I have two drives in my machine dha1 and dhb1. When I mount dhb1 as dhb only root can write to it. Permission is set at drwxr-xr-x. If root places files on the mounted drive they can be read by regular users but not modified (write) by regular users. I'd like to place map /home and /var to the new larger drive but it ain't working. Wats up with that? |
| 21:25.12 | Woody^working | tarzeau: Or do I have to have a FAT filesystem on there for some reason ? |
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| 21:25.40 | tarzeau | Woody^working: i've only put grub on ext2 filesystems... |
| 21:26.34 | Woody^working | Well ext3 has just the journaling difference, so that shouldn`t care |
| 21:26.35 | valdyn | jimr: hda is a drive, hdb is a drive, hda1 is a partition as is hdb1, what terminology are you using? |
| 21:26.53 | MASoft | I installed Gaim, but it can't play sounds :( Alsa is installed, and configured. what do you guess ? |
| 21:27.05 | ac3 | Hi |
| 21:27.06 | valdyn | jimr: anyway, what filesystem is on those drives? |
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| 21:27.27 | valdyn | jimr: anyway, what filesystem is on those drives/partitions? |
| 21:27.33 | jimr | valdyn, yeah maybe that's the problem. each drive has only one partition - but I'm using the terms interchangably |
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| 21:28.08 | jimr | valdyn, both were partition as type 83 but the second drive is reported as vfat |
| 21:28.24 | eeyore- | jimr: partition types don't really matter all that much |
| 21:28.32 | ac3 | I use rsync over ssh to backup remote machines, using passwordless root login. Is it possible to limit the root loging to only execute the rsync command? |
| 21:28.44 | Woody^working | Should I try the same with ext2 ? |
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| 21:28.52 | eeyore- | ac3: no |
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| 21:28.59 | valdyn | jimr: use mount to see the filesystem. vfat does not support permissions at all, you will have only 1 fixed setting for the whole partition |
| 21:29.00 | Woody^working | tarzeau: What command did you use for installing on a usb device ? |
| 21:29.05 | sault|markEH | http://rewardhits.com/index.php?hit=7681 |
| 21:29.06 | sault|markEH | http://rewardhits.com/index.php?hit=7681 |
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| 21:29.08 | ac3 | No way? |
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| 21:29.26 | eeyore- | ac3: if you are concerned about what to do here, don't use ssh passphraseless login, use sudo |
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| 21:29.29 | tarzeau | Woody^working: i've only installed it on harddisks and floppy disks. |
| 21:29.34 | eeyore- | ac3: yes, there is another way, see above |
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| 21:29.41 | jimr | valdyn, vfat does not support permissions - that must be the problem. There's nothing on the second drive (that matters) How do I change it? |
| 21:30.05 | ac3 | how can i use sudo with rsync? |
| 21:30.07 | Woody^working | tarzeau: ok, I will try different boot loader then |
| 21:30.12 | valdyn | jimr: unmount it, mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 |
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| 21:30.43 | tarzeau | Woody^working: you've put grub stuff to the usb stick as like /boot/grub/* n? |
| 21:30.47 | jimr | ok, the other drive is ext2 so to be the same it would be mkfs.ex2.... right? |
| 21:31.04 | eeyore- | ac3: turn the problem around. instead of initiating rsync from the backup host, you initiate the backup from the client (the one with the data), and set up an account for this purpose (say, "backup"), and allow the backup user to only execute your shell script. this shell script can then do a number of things, including eventually rsync files to the backup host |
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| 21:31.35 | Madeye | guys, is there anyway to simular MS JVM ? |
| 21:31.50 | hermes | hola necesito algon de ayuda con p2p |
| 21:31.54 | hermes | quien me ayuda ?? |
| 21:31.56 | ac3 | eeyore-: that´s not possible, because the backupserver is in the internal network and the "to be bacupped servers" are in the dmz |
| 21:31.58 | eeyore- | ac3: there are other ways to do this, including allowing the "backup" user to directly access the partition |
| 21:32.11 | valdyn | jimr: right |
| 21:32.27 | jimr | OK, gonna try it |
| 21:32.33 | valdyn | jimr: however outside special applications ext2 should be considered obsolete ) |
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| 21:32.57 | eeyore- | ac3: well, how about this ... the backup clients run a cron script that saves data to a well-known location. the backup host can then just use plain rsync to copy the tar files. that's what i do :-) |
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| 21:33.37 | jimr | re: ext2 vs ext3 since my primary drive is already ext2, can it be changed without starting over? |
| 21:33.54 | eeyore- | ac3: and since you're just rsyncing a tar file, you don't need root on the backup client ... |
| 21:33.58 | valdyn | jimr: yes, just explicitely mount it as ext3, iirc |
| 21:34.10 | jelly | eeyore-, ac3: isn't there an option to allow only a specific command for a public key in .ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 21:34.11 | poop | jimr: You can add a journal to ext2 with tune2fs |
| 21:34.15 | valdyn | ( or did that only work vice versa? |
| 21:34.21 | valdyn | poop: alright thanks |
| 21:34.27 | eeyore- | jelly: no, not that i'm aware of |
| 21:34.33 | Invisible_Slack | I'm relitively new to Debian and wondering where I should be unpacking the Kernel Source to make sure that it compiles correctly with the Kernel Headers. I installed Sarge Last night and want to move to Kernel 2.6.x is there anything special I have to do besides get the kernel source from kernel.org? |
| 21:34.47 | jimr | poop, so if I add jounal then I've essentially converted to ext3? |
| 21:34.56 | eeyore- | jimr: yep |
| 21:34.57 | valdyn | jimr: ext3 = ( ext2 + journal ) |
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| 21:35.20 | jimr | Thanks, dropping off IRC to experiment!!!! |
| 21:35.25 | eeyore- | jimr: but ext3 can be mounted as ext2, as long as it's consistent (dismounted cleanly, and/or having had e2fsck run on it) |
| 21:36.10 | ac3 | eeyore-: thx for the help:) problem is that it´s about 340 GB to backup |
| 21:36.17 | kenboo | was it tunefs or something that converts ext2 to ext3? |
| 21:36.23 | fbhjr | Invisible_Slack: look into kernel-pkg; see, e.g., http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 21:36.27 | eeyore- | ac3: better solution ... amanda |
| 21:36.38 | eeyore- | ac3: and access-control |
| 21:36.41 | cheal | Invisible_Slack: why don't you get a stock kernel? |
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| 21:36.58 | fbhjr | stock kernels are bloated? |
| 21:37.03 | MASoft | is lpd needed if I want to install cupsys ? |
| 21:37.14 | ac3 | tried amanda before, but my backupscript works much better (for our purpose) |
| 21:37.29 | eeyore- | kenboo: you use tune2fs to add journaling capability to an ext2 partition, yes |
| 21:37.39 | Invisible_Slack | cheal, I have had experience with Slackware before so I'm not a newbie its just been a year since I was back on linux.. To answer your question stock kernels are bloated and not customized to my machine. My bloat my box? |
| 21:37.49 | ac3 | jelly: yes there is, but then i have to add the complete rsync command line (and this can change) |
| 21:37.54 | ac3 | NO? |
| 21:38.03 | ac3 | it´s just a guess:) |
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| 21:38.09 | fbhjr | Invisible_Slack: compiling a kernel the "debian way" is great if you already know how to do a custom kernel form kernel.org source |
| 21:38.09 | cheal | !tell Invisible_Slack about kp mantra |
| 21:38.26 | valdyn | !bloat |
| 21:38.27 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
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| 21:38.54 | eeyore- | ac3: with amanda you also get benefit of rolling backups ... :-) |
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| 21:39.10 | Invisible_Slack | cheal, wtf did all that shit just pm me about lol |
| 21:39.14 | eeyore- | ac3: unless you're like me and make 52 directories for each week of the year ... |
| 21:39.23 | ac3 | eeyore-: what are rolling backups? |
| 21:39.38 | cheal | Invisible_Slack: it's about compiling a kernel the debian way. see kernel-package doc |
| 21:39.39 | eeyore- | ac3: backups with specific retention periods |
| 21:39.50 | ac3 | ah:) |
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| 21:40.18 | eeyore- | ac3: and you do know you don't need a "tape" for amanda, right? you can just back up to HD partition(s) |
| 21:40.27 | ac3 | idd |
| 21:40.31 | Invisible_Slack | cheal, yea I'm looking at the website that fbhjr told me about.. Sorry I started trying Debian because caveman told me it was great.. I've been a slackware user for 3 years taken a break so I'm starting all over lol |
| 21:40.36 | eeyore- | ac3: with the price of HDs as cheap as they are now, there's no real need for tapes unless you want high-end robotics ones |
| 21:40.47 | fbhjr | Invisible_Slack: probably best to start with the debian docs, of course :) |
| 21:40.50 | Invisible_Slack | I have to head to work soon so I'll be reading this while at boring work.. Thnx for the help guys. |
| 21:40.59 | ac3 | we use tapes for offline backup and hd for online |
| 21:41.01 | cheal | Invisible_Slack: no problem |
| 21:41.07 | jelly | ac3: I haven't tried that, just know that something like that exists. |
| 21:41.08 | eeyore- | heck, tape vendors are getting into the backup-to-hard-disks business |
| 21:41.11 | Invisible_Slack | fbhjr, true.. I was just going to make a normal source kernel instead of debian way I just want my damn sound to work |
| 21:41.14 | FarrisG | so what's the deal when one of my users gets a bunch of .nfs000000 etc files in some working directory and can't delete them? |
| 21:41.17 | MASoft | is lpd needed if I want to install cupsys ? |
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| 21:41.40 | valdyn | MASoft: does cupsys depends on lpd? |
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| 21:42.03 | eeyore- | FarrisG: that's nfs lock |
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| 21:42.13 | eeyore- | FarrisG: kill the process that's holding the nfs lock, good luck |
| 21:42.14 | fbhjr | Invisible_Slack: I made custome kernels by hand for years but the kernel-package way is really great and very convenient |
| 21:42.24 | eeyore- | FarrisG: this will be a process on a client machine, somewhere |
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| 21:42.31 | MASoft | valdyn, seems No ! |
| 21:42.42 | FarrisG | eeyore-: Right, I understand that, but what's causing it? I get 50 of these a day |
| 21:42.45 | lekvar | Can I kick off a complete net-install (I even wanna repartition) from INSIDE a running debian system? It's a laptop so the net's through pcmcia? |
| 21:42.46 | Invisible_Slack | fbhjr, thanks I'll be reading the whole document at work :) appreciate the help do you have any other great websites for new debian users like myself? |
| 21:42.52 | eeyore- | FarrisG: badly written programs? |
| 21:43.14 | alephant | hey - I'm running "testing" and I want to try out an older version of Python |
| 21:43.18 | eeyore- | FarrisG: you write code that obtains a lock, you're supposed to get rid of it once you no longer needs it ... hey, that's what i think |
| 21:43.22 | alephant | how do I downgrade a deb? |
| 21:43.24 | vincent` | Invisible_Slack: i've found debian-administration.org invaluable as well as wiki.debian.org |
| 21:43.37 | fbhjr | Invisible_Slack: I'd just start at debian.org and read all the docs there; then there are a host of debian related sites you can find googling |
| 21:44.02 | jelly | alephant: if you want something like python2.3 or 2.2, you can install it side-by-side with 2.4. |
| 21:44.04 | fbhjr | I second those recommendations |
| 21:44.06 | beardy | !tell Invisible_Slack about grounding |
| 21:44.07 | eeyore- | lekvar: yes, you can, as long as you don't screw with the existing partitions |
| 21:44.14 | FarrisG | eeyore-: Well, I didn't write any of this code... The code would be the nfs client, right? I mean, the apps actually accessing the exports don't know shit about nfs |
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| 21:44.50 | alephant | jelly - I want to downgrade one minor version - python 2.3.5 --> 2.3.4 |
| 21:44.58 | lekvar | eeyore-: So basicly I can install a new system onto an unused partition |
| 21:44.58 | eeyore- | FarrisG: what are the machine(s) involved? |
| 21:45.06 | eeyore- | lekvar: oh absolutely |
| 21:45.14 | Invisible_Slack | beardy, I was readying the Manual at debian.org.. I got past the damn install didn't I? even updated my system and installed some apps via apt-get.. Please if you can't give good advice please don't !TELL me anything |
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| 21:45.24 | FlimFlamMan | is there a validating proxy like tidy-proxy that supports ssl ? |
| 21:45.44 | FarrisG | eeyore-: Xeon 3.2GHz running Sarge |
| 21:45.45 | eeyore- | lekvar: however, changing partition tables *might* require a reboot before your current "host" kernel will see the changes |
| 21:45.53 | beardy | Invisible_Slack: You have one chance to apologize and read what dpkg told you again. |
| 21:45.58 | pusling | is there a way to make dpkg print all Depends: of a .deb file ? |
| 21:46.00 | lekvar | eeyore-: hmm sounds chancey |
| 21:46.00 | Invisible_Slack | cheal, and fbhjr thnx alot and I'll be reading those while at work I do appreciate the help |
| 21:46.00 | jelly | alephant: you'll have to find a repository with 2.3.4, 2.3.5 is even in stable. Take a look at snapshot.debian.net |
| 21:46.03 | fbhjr | does anyone have any criticisms of the ipmasq package? I have a hand-written iptables gateway script and can't decide if I should abandon it and try ipmasq |
| 21:46.13 | eeyore- | lekvar: no, i sometimes do it |
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| 21:46.25 | eeyore- | lekvar: actually i'll have to do it again to migrate a debian machine to gentoo |
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| 21:46.39 | Invisible_Slack | Take care guys and talk to you later thnx for all the help :) |
| 21:46.44 | lekvar | eeyore-: it's an old thinkpad so i bet the bios won't get it right w/o a reboot... |
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| 21:46.52 | beardy | Invisible_Slack: Perhaps I should have told you about "reference" but "grounding" tells you about more factoids that are interesting. |
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| 21:47.14 | fbhjr | !tell fbhjr about grounding |
| 21:47.21 | alephant | jelly, thanks |
| 21:47.28 | cheal | !selftell |
| 21:47.29 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". |
| 21:47.30 | Invisible_Slack | beardy, that basicly implys "rtfm" and as I said.. I am not new to linux I just needed some quick pointers |
| 21:47.31 | beardy | fbhjr: /msg the bot |
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| 21:47.44 | P-K | Does anyone have the link to the offical docs for upgrading from woody to sarge? |
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| 21:47.49 | lekvar | eeyore-: I just can't be wrong since I dont have a cd drive to fix it |
| 21:47.49 | fbhjr | beardy: oops, sorry, will do |
| 21:47.57 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 21:48.01 | fbhjr | :o |
| 21:48.04 | cheal | !tell P-K about release notes |
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| 21:48.17 | P-K | thanks ! |
| 21:48.21 | eeyore- | lekvar: if you haven't fallen you haven't tried hard enough ... |
| 21:48.25 | Invisible_Slack | beardy, I asked specific question I read in the kernel.org README file don't put in /usr/src and I have always in Slackware so I wanted to know where debian installed the kernel headers as its diffrent distro to distro |
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| 21:48.43 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 21:48.52 | eeyore- | (coincidentally, we went wheeling last weekend and one guy flopped his jeep and i split my rear bumper cover :-p) |
| 21:48.56 | Invisible_Slack | debian.org didn't tell me that last nigh when I was looking at it from work. I did my research and asked a specific question as I said off to work and Thnx for your help |
| 21:49.08 | PupenoL | In a changelog of a package, when it says zaptel (1:1.2.0-2), what's the meaning of the 1: ? |
| 21:49.10 | lekvar | eeyore-: heh yea i suppose |
| 21:49.17 | Cybodog | Invisible_Slack, I have asked this befor a long time ago. Ignore it. It is from when things where done diff. apearently |
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| 21:49.28 | lekvar | biab |
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| 21:50.33 | slindsay | Hey, does anyone here have experience getting the openGL part of ATI Radeon 8500 drivers running on Debian/unstable? |
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| 21:50.42 | Fly_80 | hi all |
| 21:51.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: could you ahve made the short description any shorter ? |
| 21:52.13 | ircdevil | !ATI |
| 21:52.13 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
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| 21:52.54 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: still here? |
| 21:52.55 | Rockj | anyone could help me with mdadm and setting up two s-ata disks? I got it working and can mount /dev/md0 but after reboot I can't :/ |
| 21:52.59 | dondelelcaro | PupenoL: it's an epoch. |
| 21:53.06 | Fly_80 | is there a way , under gnome , to quickly change the profile of eth cards ( unless going to Admin->network -> Profile ) ? |
| 21:53.25 | cusco | what is the lightest X11 client? |
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| 21:53.33 | meriad | does Debian have Nvidia accelerated drivers in its apt repository? |
| 21:53.42 | jelly | cusco: xdpyinfo? ;-) |
| 21:53.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell meriad -about nvidia |
| 21:53.47 | poop | meriad: not the latest, but yes |
| 21:53.51 | ircdevil | Fly_80: the best way is to edit conf manually. its simple |
| 21:53.54 | abrotman | !tell meriad about nvidia one-liner |
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| 21:54.22 | ircdevil | !tell Fly_80 about interfaces |
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| 21:54.42 | spielmann | hi. I've compiled the ndiswrapper module and it has to be loaded with "modprobe -f". How can I get that module to be forcedly loaded in the boot process? |
| 21:54.56 | cheal | meriad: in non-free/contrib, yes |
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| 21:55.07 | vincent` | spielmann: /etc/modules |
| 21:55.11 | eeyore- | jelly: xmkmf |
| 21:55.21 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: yeh? |
| 21:55.26 | b3nw | is it possible to change the default language even if during the installer you choose a different one? |
| 21:55.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: which? |
| 21:55.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: for MoG |
| 21:55.35 | Ries | q: when I run top, my 'wa' value is sitting at 50% or higher, ... what is the 'wa' value? |
| 21:55.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i just got around to reading DWN |
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| 21:55.50 | spielmann | vincent`, yeah, but will it be loaded with the "-f" option? I mean, if not loaded so the kernel complains: "Invalid module format" |
| 21:55.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: hm, tried it already? it's not in testing. what about opencubicplayer ? |
| 21:55.52 | phych0 | ive fucked up my debian filesystem |
| 21:55.54 | BeBoo | Heya. I have a little problem with a debian upgrade. When i try to install libapache-mod-php4, it requies libc6 to install - but when i install libc6, it wants to uninstall bash - what can i do to fix it? It's running on amd64 |
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| 21:55.57 | phych0 | anyone know where i can get a small rescue cd? |
| 21:56.04 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: what do you use a wm for the gnustep stuff? which ones can cope with those funky menus? |
| 21:56.05 | abrotman | !why is mazeofgalious not in testing |
| 21:56.06 | dpkg | mazeofgalious is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mazeofgalious |
| 21:56.09 | phych0 | my line is peforming like crap, so i dont fancy downloading a large iso. |
| 21:56.11 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: windowmaker |
| 21:56.14 | Fly_80 | ircdevil sorry but....it's boring...i have two profiles and i can change it in a fast way when i'm in the Network Configuration gnome panel... |
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| 21:56.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: fix the RC bugs! |
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| 21:56.21 | SimonRaven | ok. thanks |
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| 21:56.25 | fbhjr | spielmann: have you tried adding "ndiswrapper" to /etc/modules? |
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| 21:56.33 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: http://gnu.ethz.ch/emacs.app.png |
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| 21:56.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: how? the guy has still to find me the patent number |
| 21:56.46 | SimonRaven | cool, thanks |
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| 21:56.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i told him when we eated fondue that i couldn't find it on |
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| 21:56.57 | tarzeau | !patent |
| 21:56.58 | dpkg | [patent] EVIL |
| 21:56.59 | tarzeau | !patents |
| 21:56.59 | dpkg | i heard patents is the devils work and you can quote me on that., or patent search at http://www.patents.ibm.com/, or http://www.uspto.gov, or http://www.european-patent-office.org and http://www.jpo.go.jp/ |
| 21:57.00 | Fly_80 | why should i change the conf files ? it's not a good idea |
| 21:57.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: none of these urls |
| 21:57.12 | Ries | could 'wa' mean iowait? |
| 21:57.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: ask the bug submitter to find it |
| 21:57.36 | Fly_80 | ircdevil have you understand what i mean ? |
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| 21:58.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: i guess the real question is .. how did it get past the ftpmasters like that? :) |
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| 21:58.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: i did |
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| 21:58.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: and he's still looking for it i guess. right, panthera ? |
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| 21:58.59 | abrotman | dunno |
| 21:59.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's only the bug submitter who has the problem. since there is no female ftpmasters, they can't be corrupt |
| 21:59.22 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 21:59.27 | meriad | where do i get the source code for a patched kernel.. |
| 21:59.30 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 21:59.32 | meriad | I.E 2.4.27-p2 |
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| 21:59.34 | meriad | is what debian came with |
| 21:59.38 | meriad | and it didnt install the source |
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| 21:59.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: you gonna try the packages? |
| 21:59.49 | stew | meriad: in sarge or etch? |
| 21:59.51 | abrotman | with whcih source ? |
| 21:59.52 | meriad | and nvidia is bitching about incorrect kernel source etc.. |
| 21:59.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can't .. ! |
| 21:59.55 | meriad | Stereo- yes |
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| 21:59.59 | meriad | stew- srage |
| 22:00.09 | cheal | meriad: what kind of patches? |
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| 22:00.13 | stew | meriad: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
| 22:00.20 | panthera | tarzeau/abrotman: the ftp-assistant can't check every package to their legal history |
| 22:00.23 | meriad | stew- like i said, it doesnt exist |
| 22:00.26 | SimonRaven | it wouldn't |
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| 22:00.35 | abrotman | panthera: oh .. i thought that was part of the job :) |
| 22:00.35 | stew | meriad: what does "uname -r " say? |
| 22:00.39 | SimonRaven | fricking lag |
| 22:00.45 | panthera | abrotman: they just check about copyright, not about patents or trademarks. |
| 22:00.47 | abrotman | panthera: you just check it for package correctness ? |
| 22:00.57 | stew | meriad: you probably only want kernel-headers only, why do you want kernel source? to compile a 3rd party module? |
| 22:01.02 | meriad | stew- yes |
| 22:01.07 | meriad | stew- nvidia requiers the kernel soruce |
| 22:01.15 | stew | meriad: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:01.17 | alephant | OK |
| 22:01.21 | stew | meriad: it doesn't it requires kernel headers |
| 22:01.39 | meriad | stew- it deostn seem to be that wawy. |
| 22:01.41 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:01.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 22:01.44 | meriad | stew- lemme ry something |
| 22:01.48 | meriad | abrotman- i've read that already thanks :) |
| 22:01.57 | stew | meriad: why don't you want to tell me what kernel you are running? |
| 22:02.02 | licued2 | I'm going to be setting up a web server for static only content, and that static content is going to be very high traffic, is there a program out their that is best for serving up static content?... I know apache is the most robust solution, but is it the most secure/fastest for static conetent? |
| 22:02.13 | twisted`_ | ey, I just installed debian from a net-inst cdrom, all seemed to go well, but it bitched me bad on tryin to upgrade/remove e2fsprogs, which is logical, BUT now I booted into Knoppix, chrooted into it, and it STILL refuses to... what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:02.38 | meriad | stew: sorry, iumm 2.4.27-2 |
| 22:02.39 | dondelelcaro | !e2fsprogs |
| 22:02.41 | dpkg | it has been said that e2fsprogs is http://bugs.debian.org/325834 |
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| 22:03.04 | abrotman | and + loop! |
| 22:03.50 | Ries | How can I check my iowait, is there a other tool then top for this? |
| 22:04.06 | twisted`_ | lemme read... |
| 22:04.17 | cheal | meriad: why don't you just install one of the prebuilt kernel modules? |
| 22:04.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you going to package Kyra ? |
| 22:04.42 | meriad | cheal: becaus ei need accelerated X. |
| 22:04.45 | meriad | cheal: for my nvidia driver |
| 22:04.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: kde stuff? what is it? url? |
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| 22:05.04 | cheal | meriad: so what? why do you want to compile the kernel module? |
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| 22:05.08 | abrotman | http://www.grinninglizard.com/kyra/ |
| 22:05.11 | meriad | cheal- ITS required |
| 22:05.20 | meriad | cheal- it keeps bitching to me about it |
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| 22:05.23 | phych0 | does the debian netinstall iso contain rescue cd stuff? |
| 22:05.29 | phych0 | (aka can i run fsck from it?) |
| 22:05.30 | cheal | meriad: you don't have to compile. you need to install it |
| 22:05.41 | cheal | phych0: it does in etch |
| 22:05.48 | phych0 | etch? |
| 22:05.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: when i was using it .. the guy was pretty cooperative with patches/suggestions |
| 22:05.52 | cheal | !etch |
| 22:05.53 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
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| 22:06.05 | alex__ | Does anyone know the name of that program that convertes jpegs to ASCII art? |
| 22:06.09 | twisted`_ | so basicly I should put it back to stable, then to testing? |
| 22:06.15 | meriad | cheal: there we go, i managed to hack it up enuf to compile |
| 22:06.16 | alex__ | there is no going back! |
| 22:06.18 | phych0 | can i do that on the current testing one? |
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| 22:06.29 | abrotman | alex__: aalib ? |
| 22:06.31 | phych0 | i dont want to have to download yet another damned iso |
| 22:06.31 | splif | does anyone know if mod_alias is built into sarges install of apache2 by default? |
| 22:06.41 | cheal | phych0: testing is currently etch |
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| 22:06.44 | phych0 | ah k |
| 22:06.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you don't want to package it? i'll help you |
| 22:06.50 | alex__ | abrotman, I'm sure it's linked against aalib, I'll check the package list, thanks |
| 22:06.51 | abrotman | splif: check /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 22:06.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: i made a package .. a long time ago |
| 22:07.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not update it? |
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| 22:07.18 | splif | abrotman: I don't see it anywhere and can't find it in apt-cache? |
| 22:07.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: long gone .. on a different machine that i've long sold |
| 22:07.50 | stew | meriad: its 2.4.27-2 or 2.4.27-2-386 or something similar? |
| 22:07.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: wasted work, i'd say |
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| 22:08.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: not at the time |
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| 22:08.13 | alex__ | Hmm, doesn't seem to be in libaa1 or libaa-bin |
| 22:08.19 | meriad | stew: ye |
| 22:08.19 | meriad | stew: yes |
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| 22:08.22 | meriad | stew: and it sucks ass |
| 22:08.24 | meriad | stew: heh |
| 22:08.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: TBH .. i'm not sure the license is compatible with debian . i'd have to double check |
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| 22:08.54 | abrotman | splif: apt-cache search mod alias returns nothing .. |
| 22:08.56 | stew | meriad: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) should definately work then. |
| 22:09.01 | abrotman | splif: check the mods-available dir |
| 22:09.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: check it. it doesn't look like a game i could enjoy... |
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| 22:09.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's not a game .. it's a library :) |
| 22:09.22 | msh_ | hi |
| 22:09.27 | meriad | stew: ya that does |
| 22:09.35 | phych0 | i hate lame isps that give you shitty contended lines.. AARGH |
| 22:09.36 | msh_ | does debian etch come standard with XORG now? |
| 22:09.43 | phych0 | especially when your in a hurry to download something |
| 22:09.44 | phych0 | ;/ |
| 22:09.45 | splif | abrotman: i've checked the dir and yeah apt-cache search mod alias returns nothing of use. |
| 22:09.46 | abrotman | it has xorg |
| 22:09.47 | jimr | valdyn: SUCCESS! I now have a writable hdb. Thanks for your and other's help! |
| 22:09.54 | abrotman | splif: i guess not .. seems odd though |
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| 22:10.03 | msh_ | like if i ran the net-installer, would it aptget xorg instead of xfree? |
| 22:10.07 | cheal | msh_: X is not a standard package |
| 22:10.17 | msh_ | i understand cheal |
| 22:10.18 | cheal | msh_: if you'd install X, yes |
| 22:10.21 | msh_ | ok |
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| 22:10.29 | msh_ | i just ran the sarge net installer and it got xfree |
| 22:10.33 | meriad | stew: cept it cant find any of those nvidia packagse |
| 22:10.37 | meriad | stew: apt cant |
| 22:10.40 | meriad | stew: anyways |
| 22:11.04 | splif | abrotman: thats what I thought. |
| 22:11.21 | alephant | hey - how do I tell apt-get to install a specific version of a package? |
| 22:11.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.grinninglizard.com/kyra/license.html |
| 22:11.33 | alephant | I want a slightly earlier version than what I have |
| 22:11.43 | abrotman | slightly earlier ? |
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| 22:11.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried kops yet? |
| 22:11.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: then you could use kyra to make your own MoG :) |
| 22:12.07 | Rockj | anyone could help me with mdadm? I got it working and can mount /dev/md0 but after reboot I can't :/ |
| 22:12.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don' wanna make my own MoG, but i'd like new grpahics for xrick |
| 22:12.14 | poncho | Hello. |
| 22:12.28 | stew | meriad: you need non-free and contrib sources /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 22:12.42 | alephant | abrotman - wanna go from python 2.3.5 to python 2.3.4 |
| 22:12.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: xpete! |
| 22:12.54 | alephant | hang on... TFM has some ideas :) |
| 22:12.56 | abrotman | alephant: for the love of god .. why ? |
| 22:12.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: i rather play nethack and eat yellow lichen corpses |
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| 22:13.00 | licued2 | what do you have to say about apache running perl vs php and are there security risks to perl, or at least any more than php... and what do you know and or can about FastCGI as an extra component to the apache server? |
| 22:13.06 | karsten | How do I d/l a source deb w/ aptitude? |
| 22:13.07 | alephant | abrotman - does it matter? :-b |
| 22:13.11 | abrotman | licued2: there are risks to both |
| 22:13.19 | abrotman | alephant: is python 2.3.4 in sarge ? |
| 22:13.34 | stew | no 2.3.5 is in sarge |
| 22:13.36 | alephant | abrotman - sarge == "stable" |
| 22:13.37 | alephant | ? |
| 22:13.46 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:13.55 | alephant | yeah - I've got the sources.list for snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:14.01 | alephant | just need the apt-get syntax |
| 22:14.09 | alephant | which I may have found if I can stop typing in IRC ;) |
| 22:14.10 | stew | alephant: apt-get install pacakge=version |
| 22:14.13 | alephant | yah |
| 22:14.16 | abrotman | alephant: i mean .. you can try to find one .. but you realize that anything that *depends* on 2.3.5 won't install right ? |
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| 22:14.54 | alephant | abrotman - trying to test bugfix (or rather an assertion on SF that a bug is *not* fixed in versions > 2.3.4) |
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| 22:15.15 | abrotman | well .. you have 2.3.5 .. that is > 2.3.4 .. i don't see a problem :) |
| 22:15.26 | abrotman | (mind you .. you didn't say >= 2.3.4) |
| 22:15.37 | alephant | nonono |
| 22:15.46 | abrotman | yesyesyes |
| 22:15.52 | alephant | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1163563&group_id=5470&atid=105470 |
| 22:16.05 | alephant | the bug is present in python version > 2.3.4 |
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| 22:16.10 | alephant | I'm being bitten by the bug |
| 22:16.13 | abrotman | alephant: ah .. that makes more sense :) |
| 22:16.27 | alephant | I want python 2.3.4 so I can test that it's indeed my situation |
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| 22:16.36 | alephant | then I scream politely on python-dev |
| 22:16.43 | stew | alephant: is there no fix for the bug? |
| 22:16.48 | abrotman | alephant: well .. the easiest way i can think of(i think strangely) .. make a chroot .. put all your testing stuff in there ? |
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| 22:17.10 | Lilldude10 | cant find geforce drivers |
| 22:17.11 | alephant | stew - check out that SF link and tell me if the babbling devs have a solution or are simply arguing about whether they have a solution :) |
| 22:17.38 | eeyore- | abrotman: it's hard to set up a chroot so things work the way they should ... a missing lib could cause a false failure ... |
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| 22:17.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think it's fine |
| 22:17.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 22:17.58 | alephant | abrotman - it'd be a nightmare - I need Apache2, mod_pyton etc. |
| 22:18.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: licensing of kyra |
| 22:18.09 | abrotman | alephant: see .. eeyore-(yeah .. the guy with the tail) confirms it .. i'm weird |
| 22:18.30 | abrotman | alephant: well .. then you get the package from snapshot.d.n .. force it on .. hold it .. test your theory |
| 22:18.37 | abrotman | (and probably undo the hold when it's fixed) |
| 22:18.39 | spielmann | hi. I've compiled ndiswrapper and it *must* be loaded with "modprobe -f". Putting "ndiswrapper" in /etc/modules is no use. Is there any chance of forcing a module to be loaded via the /etc/modules file? |
| 22:18.40 | abrotman | or found |
| 22:18.51 | alephant | stew - syntax for version specification? |
| 22:18.57 | dougl | valdyn, still here... what theme did you tell me to use... I found the control center thingy :) |
| 22:19.00 | abrotman | alephant: did you check the BTS for a bug ? |
| 22:19.01 | alephant | apt-get install python2.3=2.3.4 no worky |
| 22:19.14 | alephant | abrotman - whose, python.org or debian.org? |
| 22:19.15 | peterS | alephant: heh, I like the way you put that - have they found a solution or are they just arguing about whether they've found a solution |
| 22:19.16 | eeyore- | spielmann: is there a reason why it doesn't load without -f? |
| 22:19.26 | spielmann | eeyore-, yes :( "Invalid module format" |
| 22:19.34 | mage | hmm I installed a package without meeting all the dependancies and apt-get wants to remove it before I do anything, how can I force it to do what I want? |
| 22:19.40 | spielmann | eeyore-, however, forcing it he loads it and I can use my wireless PCMCIA =) |
| 22:19.43 | alephant | peterS I'd agree with you, except that in this case it's breaking MY code >:-b |
| 22:19.48 | eeyore- | spielmann: wrong/incompatible version string? |
| 22:19.56 | abrotman | alephant: debian .. bugs.debian.org |
| 22:20.05 | twisted`_ | k I hope the bug is not in a new net-inst for testing |
| 22:20.09 | twisted`_ | *downloading it now* |
| 22:20.10 | alephant | abrotman, I looked at it briefly... |
| 22:20.17 | spielmann | eeyore-, "ndiswrapper: version magic '2.6.12 PENTIUM4 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.12 386 gcc-4.0'" |
| 22:20.27 | eeyore- | spielmann: well there you go :-) |
| 22:20.27 | chealer | mage: which package and which dependency are concerned? |
| 22:20.34 | spielmann | eeyore-, I've tried compiling the module with 3 different GCCs and I get the same error though :( |
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| 22:20.53 | eeyore- | spielmann: you compiled the ndiswrapper for "P4" when you should have compiled it for 386, plain |
| 22:20.53 | peterS | alephant: well, since debian sarge shipped with python 2.3.5, I don't know where you'd find convenient debian packages of 2.3.4 |
| 22:21.00 | alephant | abrotman, isn't there a way in BTS to do a text search? |
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| 22:21.16 | mage | chealer, some mplayer package, and it's not happy with the version of directfb thats available |
| 22:21.17 | abrotman | alephant: sure .. fabre.debian.net |
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| 22:21.23 | spielmann | eeyore-, hmmm the thing is that I don't see any such option for "386" when compiling ndiswrapper :S |
| 22:21.25 | abrotman | doh .. ti's down! |
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| 22:21.34 | abrotman | damn it! |
| 22:21.51 | eeyore- | spielmann: did you screw around with your /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.14.... before you compiled ndiswrapper? |
| 22:21.59 | chealer | mage: ah, I don't know then |
| 22:22.06 | eeyore- | speil: uh, 2.6.12, i mean |
| 22:22.09 | meriad | freakin heck |
| 22:22.12 | alephant | :) |
| 22:22.13 | meriad | it wont let me add it |
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| 22:22.25 | spielmann | eeyore-, well I baked my dream kernel, yes =) |
| 22:22.35 | eeyore- | spielmann: that's why |
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| 22:22.44 | meriad | oh thats why |
| 22:22.46 | eeyore- | spielmann: so, make things consistent |
| 22:22.47 | meriad | i tink |
| 22:23.06 | spielmann | eeyore-, excuse my ignorance, but I don't see what has caused the problem :S |
| 22:23.07 | Fly_80 | do you know where is the file configuration of the network options ? |
| 22:23.10 | eeyore- | spielmann: either recompile kernel (and choose 386), or, run the kernel you compiled just before you compiled ndiswrapper |
| 22:23.18 | Fly_80 | do you know where is the file configuration of the network profiles ? |
| 22:23.27 | signius | ? |
| 22:23.33 | Rockj | anyone could help me with mdadm? I got it working and can mount /dev/md0 but after reboot I can't :/ |
| 22:23.40 | meriad | whats the easiest way to getting nvidia working without having to get all the kernel source and crap? |
| 22:23.46 | spielmann | eeyore-, hmm I have a PIV here. Is it advisable to compile a 386 kernel? :( Won't I loose performance? |
| 22:23.50 | grendal_prime | is dpkg down or something? |
| 22:23.52 | LSorensen | Rockj: what devices are you using to build the raid? |
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| 22:23.56 | grendal_prime | !dpkg |
| 22:23.56 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 22:23.57 | Nenillo | hi |
| 22:24.05 | stew | meriad: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:24.07 | eeyore- | spielmann: it *looks* to me like you're running a stock kernel, while you went about mucking in /usr/src/kernel, and then subsequently compiling ndiswrapper, without bothering to run the kernel you just compiled |
| 22:24.10 | LSorensen | Rockj: does /etc/init.d/mdadm restart make a difference? |
| 22:24.21 | grendal_prime | !printer |
| 22:24.22 | dpkg | printer is, like, a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 22:24.25 | eeyore- | spielmann: i don't care what you do, just do it consistently :-) |
| 22:24.31 | Rockj | LSorense: two WD 250gB s-ata's on a Promise controller. (TX2 no-hw-raid) |
| 22:24.32 | spielmann | eeyore-, I am running the kernel I compiled (that I can tell ;)) |
| 22:24.33 | alephant | !dpkg |
| 22:24.34 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 22:24.35 | Nenillo | pure-ftpd is started with some parameters, where I cant set those parameters? I don't see them in /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql |
| 22:24.43 | Rockj | LSorense: I'll try. Give me 2 sek. |
| 22:24.43 | LSorensen | Rockj: er /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid I mean |
| 22:24.43 | eeyore- | spielmann: no, not according to what you pasted |
| 22:24.50 | grendal_prime | i dont get anyting when i msg him though |
| 22:24.51 | LSorensen | Rockj: and what controller is / on? |
| 22:24.54 | Fly_80 | signius i mean the file where i can find the profiles setted under "Network Admin" gnome Panel |
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| 22:24.59 | eeyore- | spielmann: anyway, i won't belabour the point any more. you did what you did, fix it or not :-) |
| 22:25.21 | abrotman | ack .. IC is dying! |
| 22:25.23 | spielmann | eeyore-, well =) Thank you very much anyway :) I'll work in that direction ;) |
| 22:25.47 | Rockj | LSorense: Promise SATA150TX2plus . Uses promise_sata module. |
| 22:25.48 | eeyore- | abrotman: farking rocks |
| 22:26.06 | LSorensen | Rockj: so root and your raid are both on that controller? |
| 22:26.15 | eeyore- | abrotman: this rock like this /\ about two-foot tall ... splitted my rear bumper cover :-p |
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| 22:26.34 | Rockj | LSorensen: Actually module is compiled into kernel. No, root is /dev/hda2 . |
| 22:27.03 | LSorensen | Rockj: hmm, is the partition type set to linux raid autodetect on the partitions used for md0? |
| 22:27.09 | Rockj | LSorense: After I reboot and I try to mount it, it says: mount: /dev/md0: can't read superblock |
| 22:27.25 | LSorensen | Rockj: and you could before you rebooted? |
| 22:27.33 | LSorensen | Rockj: anything in /proc/mdstat about md0? |
| 22:27.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: ? |
| 22:28.09 | Rockj | LSorensen: yes, after I created the array I could mount it. After I rebooted it was gone. Info about array is also gone from /proc/mdstat after reboot. |
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| 22:29.16 | LSorensen | Rockj: anything in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? |
| 22:29.24 | LSorensen | Rockj: what tool did you use to make the raid? |
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| 22:30.30 | Rockj | LSorensen: I used mdadm when I created it. Only thing which is in mdadm.conf is this: DEVICE partitions |
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| 22:30.38 | bobesponja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:31.18 | Rockj | LSorensen: nothing more, nothing less. Used this line when creating the array: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
| 22:31.41 | EdibleText | bobesponja, it means: have a backup. |
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| 22:32.17 | bobesponja | EdibleText: is my harddrive dead or can it be fsck? |
| 22:32.20 | karsten | bobesponja: More context would be useful. I'd try booting Knoppix or DSL and recovering data, watching for repeat of the error output. |
| 22:32.53 | karsten | bobesponja: ... your first order of business is to salvage data, _not_ to troubleshoot the device. You can do that _after_ you've got it securely archived. |
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| 22:33.02 | Rockj | LSorensen: I have tried to recreate it, it works but there is something odd that happens when I try to create it. mdadm detects there is a ext2-partition on /dev/sda , but there is not. I can't delete a thing when I try to use fdisk or cfdisk on /dev/sda . cfdisk says there is 250gB of free and no partitions is created. |
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| 22:33.13 | bobesponja | karsten: my disk is empty i don't care |
| 22:33.27 | b3nw | Hi, I am trying to change my locale from DE to en_US, but I keep gettting this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1238 does anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 22:33.46 | EdibleText | bobesponja, karsten makes a good point. damaged disks sometimes have a *very* limeted number of times they can be booted/accessed |
| 22:33.51 | karsten | bobesponja: Then run some disk benchmarking / stress programs. I'd recommend bonnie, from DSL/Knoppix if possible. |
| 22:34.07 | stew | b3nw: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:34.08 | Rockj | LSorensen: I also made sure to use mdadm --zero-superblock on /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb before recreating array. |
| 22:34.18 | EdibleText | bobesponja, before they are _done_ |
| 22:34.23 | b3nw | stew - did that, still the error continues |
| 22:34.24 | karsten | bobesponja: If it's a SMART drive, run smartutils and see what its self-diagnostic is. RMA the drive if it's under warranty. |
| 22:34.52 | stew | b3nw: have you logged out and back in since then? |
| 22:35.11 | stew | b3nw: what does "echo $LANG" say? |
| 22:35.13 | b3nw | sec |
| 22:35.31 | fas3r | do you know if with putty on windows i connect on my server with ssh, do you know if it's possible to enable X11 forwarding ? because i have test and active but it's say 'error I/O' do you know they are a solution ? i have test with cygwin too |
| 22:35.58 | FlimFlamMan | anyone know of any winxp defrag tools that will also move data to one end of the drive to allow nondestructive repartitioning? |
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| 22:36.40 | b3nw | stew - logging out/in was my problem, thanks :) |
| 22:36.48 | vincent` | FlimFlamMan: partition magic |
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| 22:37.20 | karsten | fas3r: Sure. You need an X server on Windows to make that useful, of course. |
| 22:37.29 | karsten | fas3r: Cygwin or XMing, f'rex. |
| 22:37.43 | vincent` | fas3r: when you are opening the connection, click on configuration -> ssh -> tunnels |
| 22:38.03 | fas3r | but i have test with cygwin ... they are seeting for cygwin ? |
| 22:38.17 | Rockj | LSorensen: any idea? :/ |
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| 22:38.30 | mog_work | hi |
| 22:38.37 | mog_work | any one use the jabberd2 packages in here? |
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| 22:38.53 | Guerin | !anyone use jabberd2 |
| 22:38.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses jabberd2, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:39.02 | Guerin | mog_work: are they even out of experimental yet? |
| 22:39.08 | mog_work | no they arent |
| 22:39.09 | vincent` | fas3r: ssh -X host -l user |
| 22:39.15 | mog_work | i dont know why they are in there |
| 22:39.19 | mog_work | jabberd2 works very well |
| 22:39.23 | fas3r | ok thank karsten vincent` :D :D |
| 22:39.30 | mog_work | i am just having a problem using the debian init script for it |
| 22:39.37 | mog_work | i have it starting regularly |
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| 22:40.27 | karsten | fas3r: You golden? |
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| 22:41.08 | mog_work | so i was seeing if anyone had it working |
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| 22:41.19 | henk | Hi, is it possible to tell apt in it's sources.list to use a specific repository for a specific package even tough the repository has other packages on it ? |
| 22:41.54 | fbi | !confuse henk |
| 22:41.55 | dpkg | Yes, them are our pants today, henk? shirts of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 22:42.02 | karsten | henk: ITYM other repositories have the same package. |
| 22:42.05 | Lilldude10 | is there a nvida room? |
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| 22:42.21 | karsten | henk: ... and IIUC that's the job of your package selection tool. Namely aptitude or synaptic. |
| 22:42.22 | jnc | i'm confused by changes in how apache2 works on the current 'testing' branch |
| 22:42.22 | DocTomoe | I just upgraded my sid box to php5 (including php5, php5-common php5-cgi php5-cli and libapache-mod-php5) ... after a restart, apache1.3 won´t do any php ... has someone a suggestion for me? |
| 22:42.22 | Lilldude10 | is it better to find ajp drivers over nvida |
| 22:42.34 | michael | can I have a ntfs mounted in fstab that I can write on? loaded with defaults? |
| 22:42.43 | DocTomoe | !dpkg php5 |
| 22:42.44 | dpkg | if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb> for unofficial packages. if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 22:42.44 | fbi | michael: not without captive-ntfs |
| 22:42.50 | stew | henk: if there was a way (i'm not sure) it would be in man apt_preferences |
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| 22:43.02 | michael | fbi: what is captive-ntfs? |
| 22:43.09 | fbi | !tell michael about ntfs |
| 22:43.11 | fbi | !tell michael about captive |
| 22:43.17 | fbi | read both. |
| 22:43.54 | meriad | !dpkg glcore |
| 22:43.56 | meriad | !dpkg glxcore |
| 22:44.00 | stew | DocTomoe: what do you mean by "won't do any php"? |
| 22:44.24 | DocTomoe | For some reason, it delivers the php souce as a plain vanilla text/text content. |
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| 22:44.51 | DocTomoe | stew: AddType application/x-httpd-php is active in the httpd.conf, however |
| 22:44.52 | henk | fbi and karsten .. not all repositories have the same packages. there are people out there that maintain thei own repos for certain packages. What i want is to add their repo to apt-get one of their specific packages but not use all of them > let's say FRANK offers a .deb for the latest version of foo and of bar and i'm in need of that version of foo but not of bar, i want bar to be the version that can be found on the normal debian distros. how |
| 22:44.53 | henk | do i tell apt this ? |
| 22:45.07 | karsten | Any recommendations for a decent desktop RSS feed monitoring client? |
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| 22:45.30 | stew | DocTomoe: hmm if its not the addtype |
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| 22:45.56 | karsten | henk: Good question. |
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| 22:46.02 | meriad | grr |
| 22:46.03 | meriad | freakin nvidia |
| 22:46.10 | stew | henk: does frank's distro provide a Release file? |
| 22:46.11 | meriad | everytime i load the damn driver my screen goes blank |
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| 22:46.18 | meriad | i check the logs but it doesnt report any issues. |
| 22:46.21 | stew | meriad: do you need 3d accleration? |
| 22:46.26 | fbi | karsten: i use gdesklets for rss, you can configure to use whatever browser to open the headlines in |
| 22:46.52 | henk | stew, yes |
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| 22:47.26 | stew | henk: does frank claim to be the same release "i.e. testing or stable or unstable" as the debian repository? |
| 22:48.04 | henk | stew yes |
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| 22:48.23 | henk | stew fyi http://luet.free.fr/debian |
| 22:48.24 | roler | I have a msg on startup that says "ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx". Does this mean my hard drives are only running at udma33? I tried editing the lilo.conf and in append="" i added idebus=100 but it still says this msg. |
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| 22:48.29 | meriad | stew- yes :( |
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| 22:49.03 | valdyn | roler: it means nothing for dma modes, ignre it |
| 22:49.05 | henk | that si the mirror, it has many packages for cvs-like things. But i only want mercurial and nothing else |
| 22:49.26 | stew | henk: you could always just download that .deb by hand and "dpkg -i" it |
| 22:49.37 | stew | meriad: *shrug* maybe a 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:49.43 | meriad | ya |
| 22:49.45 | stew | don't know what that would change though |
| 22:49.46 | meriad | im gonna build a custom kernel |
| 22:49.47 | meriad | and remove all this crap |
| 22:49.53 | stew | why a custom kenrel? |
| 22:49.57 | jade | how do i add an ssh-dss key that a user wants to use to ssh into a sshd server? |
| 22:49.59 | meriad | because i hate this packaging shit |
| 22:50.03 | meriad | stew- its annoying me |
| 22:50.08 | meriad | stew- and its not working properly |
| 22:50.29 | stew | meriad: the nvidia one-liner seems to work for many many people using packaged kernels |
| 22:50.33 | vincent` | jade: you add the public key to /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 22:50.40 | meriad | stew: im using a laptop |
| 22:50.45 | meriad | stew: its a little different i'd say |
| 22:50.46 | jade | vincent`, thanks |
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| 22:50.50 | stew | meriad: no its nwo |
| 22:50.51 | stew | not |
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| 22:51.01 | jnc | N00b World Order |
| 22:51.16 | fbhjr | when I use cpudyn on my laptop (inspiron 8200), when in AC mode the CPU continuously cycles between 1.6 GHz and 1.2 GHz and I have to send a USR1 signal to peg it to performance. I have all the required governors etc... Should it really flip back and forth when in AC power mode? |
| 22:51.32 | stew | meriad: when you say "everytime i load the damn driver my screen goes blank" what are you doing exactly? modprobe? |
| 22:51.41 | meriad | stew: i mean like the screen goes black |
| 22:51.44 | meriad | stew: and nothign comes up and i have to reboot |
| 22:51.52 | stew | meriad: when you modprobe? |
| 22:51.52 | meriad | stew: the nvidia module appears to load correctly |
| 22:52.06 | valdyn | fbhjr: i'd try powernowd, that does the right thing by default for me |
| 22:52.08 | stew | meriad: when does the screen go blank? after you do what? |
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| 22:52.21 | meriad | stew: after i run GDM |
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| 22:52.28 | jnc | fbhjr: depends on the governor |
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| 22:52.44 | stew | meriad: what resolution is x starting at? |
| 22:52.54 | meriad | stew: 1024 |
| 22:52.55 | meriad | stew: 1024x768 |
| 22:52.58 | jnc | fbhjr: i've got an athlon64 3000 xp+ chip in my desktop PC, and it has an on-demand governor that conserves power |
| 22:53.08 | meriad | stew: and like the XFree0.log or whatever reports NO Errors, nothing |
| 22:53.16 | fbhjr | jnc: I have performance, powersave and userspace Y in kernel config |
| 22:53.19 | meriad | stew: and i grep'd logs for anything resembling gl, or nvidia and nothign |
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| 22:53.32 | fbhjr | default is set to userspace |
| 22:53.33 | stew | meriad: at what refresh rate is it starting? |
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| 22:53.38 | stew | meriad: can you get it working with the nv driver? |
| 22:53.43 | meriad | Stereo- yes |
| 22:53.47 | foo | About how long before firefox 1.5 gets into the mirrors? |
| 22:53.49 | meriad | stew- itw orks fine with nv |
| 22:53.53 | poop | Bastard son of a goat, why can't grub work on this peecee? |
| 22:53.57 | jnc | fbhjr: built-in or modularized? |
| 22:54.05 | jnc | poop: what's wrong |
| 22:54.07 | fbhjr | jnc: built in..."Y" |
| 22:54.11 | stew | meriad: is it at an acceptable refresh rate for your lcd? |
| 22:54.11 | poop | Why do peecees making booting so hard? |
| 22:54.16 | fbhjr | jnc: should I modularize? |
| 22:54.19 | jnc | fbhjr: try modularize, yeah |
| 22:54.24 | fbhjr | k thanks |
| 22:54.31 | poop | jnc: GRUB Loading stage1.5. |
| 22:54.34 | meriad | stew, of course |
| 22:54.36 | meriad | stew, it works fien with nv |
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| 22:54.41 | meriad | stew, the refresh rate is no different |
| 22:54.47 | phych0 | what filesystem is better for a gateway.. resiserfs or ext3? |
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| 22:54.52 | phych0 | ive just had ext3 on it, and it died on me ;/ |
| 22:54.56 | stew | meriad: how did you check the refresh rate while running the nvidia driver? |
| 22:54.56 | phych0 | had to reinstlal |
| 22:54.57 | phych0 | fsck couldnt fix it |
| 22:55.05 | stew | !laptops |
| 22:55.07 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 22:55.09 | valdyn | phych0: why would fs matter for a gateway? |
| 22:55.11 | meriad | stew: i didnt, i assume its running somewhere between the values i specified in my XF86Config |
| 22:55.19 | valdyn | phych0: heck you could just use a livecd for this |
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| 22:55.20 | stew | meriad: look at those sites^^^ and find someoen with the same laptop |
| 22:55.27 | jnc | phych0: it's hard to believe that ext3 died on you |
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| 22:55.37 | poop | Let me try lilo. |
| 22:55.39 | jnc | phych0: make sure your memory (RAM) is not corrupt and run memtest86 |
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| 22:55.52 | valdyn | phych0: but _any_ fs can break on power outages, that has nothing to do with your FS really |
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| 22:56.23 | meriad | stew: i searched numerous laptop sites :> no prevail |
| 22:56.46 | loxley_ | ok, have a little question. how to get rid of the apt-cache? i was testing pinning, then i switched back to stable.. but apt-cache show <pkg> still shows packages from unstable..? |
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| 22:56.54 | stew | meriad: have you checked for output on the external connector? like vga/tv/dvi connector? |
| 22:57.22 | caphuso | loxley_: revert your sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 22:57.24 | jnc | loxley_: downgrading is not supported |
| 22:57.31 | phych0 | valdyn - i tried, it didnt work |
| 22:57.33 | loxley_ | jnc: not downgrading |
| 22:57.34 | jnc | caphuso: he's talking about downgrading |
| 22:57.36 | jnc | no? |
| 22:57.43 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 22:57.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:57.49 | meriad | stew: no, i havent |
| 22:57.59 | meriad | stew: that seems like alot of work |
| 22:58.03 | meriad | stew: just to get this working heh |
| 22:58.09 | loxley_ | caphuso: thx, will try |
| 22:58.12 | caphuso | jnc: AFAICT he's talking about apt-cache show output. that doesn't necessarily mean that he actually installed unstable packages |
| 22:58.18 | jnc | ahh |
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| 22:58.30 | phych0 | damn.. the new release of deb has 2.6 =( |
| 22:58.31 | jnc | then i exit the conversation |
| 22:58.33 | jnc | heh |
| 22:58.38 | jnc | phych0: ? |
| 22:58.45 | stew | phych0: of the kernel? it has both |
| 22:58.49 | jnc | even stable has both |
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| 22:58.53 | phych0 | yeh of the kernel |
| 22:58.56 | twisted`_ | ok this sucks, I just grabbed: debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso, which identifies itself as: GNU/Debian Linux Testing "Etch" Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20051111), and when I run it, it says it can't read the installer files from the cd, this is the THIRD! netinst cd that DOESN'T work... >_< and the only working debian cd's I got are... well a *bugged* netinst and a Woody with a 2.2 kernel (2.4 optional) |
| 22:58.59 | Bogaurd | hmm - i've i ssh into some guys box to help him with something, is there a way i can get him to see what i see on my console, so that he learns? |
| 22:59.02 | twisted`_ | any ideas?! |
| 22:59.11 | phych0 | twisted |
| 22:59.12 | stew | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 stable |
| 22:59.13 | quadra | [ !unload : no module with this name ] |
| 22:59.14 | phych0 | it must be your hardware dude |
| 22:59.19 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 10785 kB, Installed size: 28984 kB |
| 22:59.20 | nixie | twisted`_: if you're up for it, get Debian from scratch? |
| 22:59.21 | jnc | twisted`_: fix your burner and check md5sums |
| 22:59.22 | phych0 | ive just downloaded it myself |
| 22:59.26 | phych0 | and it worked fine |
| 22:59.31 | valdyn | twisted`_: testing installers arent are broken anytime, why even try it? |
| 22:59.32 | phych0 | just finished installing from it like 5min ago |
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| 22:59.37 | valdyn | twisted`_: testing installers are are broken anytime, why even try it? |
| 22:59.51 | phych0 | worked here.. |
| 22:59.55 | stew | meriad: post your XFree86.0.log somewhere and i'd take a look at it |
| 22:59.57 | jnc | valdyn: give up now, english is not your prodigy |
| 22:59.58 | Gnea | twisted`_: why are you using testing? get sarge/stable |
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| 23:00.08 | stew | valdyn: becuase testing installer need beta testers |
| 23:00.20 | phych0 | testing is more up to date stuff. |
| 23:00.33 | twisted`_ | Gnea: cause I don't like the stable branch, I prefer Testing or Unstable |
| 23:00.42 | jnc | phych0: if you can live without bleeding edge, stable makes an adequete desktop public terminal |
| 23:00.50 | phych0 | true |
| 23:00.53 | jnc | i'm running etch for the amd64 support, and it breaks often |
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| 23:00.57 | stew | phych0: you can also install stable and immediately upgrade |
| 23:01.00 | jnc | it is also very pretty |
| 23:01.11 | Gnea | twisted`_: oh ok |
| 23:01.18 | twisted`_ | meh maybe it goes nuts cause this is a AMD64 system? tho I want to install the normal i386 |
| 23:01.21 | vincent` | jnc: why not just run amd64 ? |
| 23:01.29 | jnc | twisted`_: oh!~ amd64 |
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| 23:01.38 | valdyn | twisted`_: you can use i386 installer on amd64 systems just fine |
| 23:01.40 | twisted`_ | jnc: it drives me nuts, i'll trade ya my system for a P4 |
| 23:01.50 | jnc | vincent`: there is one? amd64 isn't a supported arch until etch comes out |
| 23:01.59 | Chrisco | can someone tell me the difference between Fedora Core 4 and the other distros? i know it's a general question, but i think Fedora is designed for workstation stuff.. has anyone designed a gaming distro? |
| 23:02.01 | phych0 | how the hell do i stop it from trying to connect to a ftp |
| 23:02.04 | nixie | jnc: it works fine and dandy for me :) |
| 23:02.05 | jnc | twisted`_: pfft i'll show you where you can stick that P4 |
| 23:02.05 | Fly_80 | how can i set a user with "sudo" privileges ? |
| 23:02.05 | phych0 | ctrl +c didnt work |
| 23:02.34 | twisted`_ | lol |
| 23:02.37 | phych0 | sudoers file |
| 23:02.39 | jnc | Fly_80: install sudo, edit /etc/sudoers |
| 23:02.44 | easytiger | can one enable an unfirewalled universal IP forwarding in linux routers? |
| 23:02.46 | nixie | Fly_80: visudo. man sudoers. |
| 23:03.02 | twisted`_ | but ok, now the question I got, HOWTO get a system runnin... the Woody i got on DVD is too old |
| 23:03.03 | jnc | easytiger: what the !@$# are you trying to say |
| 23:03.10 | twisted`_ | but the rest is broken?! |
| 23:03.22 | easytiger | lol.. sorry nonsense i know. i'm tired |
| 23:03.25 | jnc | twisted`_: erm, privmsg if you want to know how *i* did it |
| 23:03.32 | jnc | easytiger: :) |
| 23:03.33 | valdyn | twisted`_: get the sarge netinstall and upgrade that to whatever you want, if that has no support for your nic, try /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 23:03.34 | nixie | easytiger: there's no such thing as automagical forwarding of packets. you need to define where they should go. |
| 23:03.34 | twisted`_ | jnc: pm me |
| 23:03.50 | easytiger | currently doing that |
| 23:03.55 | AtnNn | rmmod says "device or ressource busy" when i try to unload my soundcard module, and lsmod says its count is 0. how can I unload it? |
| 23:03.58 | twisted`_ | it did bitch about my nic tho which was odd cause it's a pretty common one |
| 23:04.05 | easytiger | using az i'm getting all green perfect downloads |
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| 23:04.23 | jnc | hah |
| 23:04.27 | easytiger | but they rarely go above 1-2k |
| 23:04.28 | meriad | stew- it works on my monitor |
| 23:04.33 | jnc | twisted`_ can't talk to me in pm 'cause he's not registered |
| 23:04.34 | meriad | stew- so i guess a setting must be borking it |
| 23:04.55 | twisted`_ | ah wait |
| 23:04.58 | twisted`_ | I forgot to identify |
| 23:05.06 | dougl | what is the stock kernel with the latest debian? |
| 23:05.14 | stew | meriad: you mean it works on an external monitor? |
| 23:05.24 | phych0 | how do i add sources to sources.list? (where do i get a list of sources for testing?) |
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| 23:05.34 | valdyn | dougl: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 23:05.39 | eeyore- | my gosh, this 4-line LCD display beats the ones i've seen from matrix-orbital, crystalfontz, etc. by a large margin, in terms of price if nothing else |
| 23:05.44 | eeyore- | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/avcards/7e3e/ |
| 23:05.47 | phych0 | god, the web is so fkin slow |
| 23:06.02 | dougl | valdyn, I missed the option for the 2.6.8 where was it? |
| 23:06.11 | eeyore- | that's $79 for 4x20, external, USB-based LCD ... i'm getting one for christmas :-) |
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| 23:06.20 | stew | wang-x: thanks |
| 23:06.20 | valdyn | dougl: at the first boot screen |
| 23:06.21 | dougl | valdyn, can I upgrade it now? |
| 23:06.25 | bulkdata | nice toy |
| 23:06.32 | valdyn | dougl: once you're done installing, sure |
| 23:07.08 | dougl | valdyn, is there a howto? |
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| 23:07.34 | dougl | Hawkwind, hello :) |
| 23:07.37 | bulkdata | i tough on buying a small tft/lcd screen like the car's ones to embed it to my system's tower |
| 23:07.47 | Hawkwind | dougl: Hey there :P |
| 23:07.49 | bulkdata | they use s-video input |
| 23:08.25 | dougl | just trying to learn how to upgrade the kernel for my debian |
| 23:08.48 | valdyn | dougl: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one, 'apt-get install' one |
| 23:08.50 | Rockj | Q: When using mdadm, isen't it supposed to remember its created array's even after you reboot your computer? Because after reboot the info in /proc/mdstat is gone :/ |
| 23:08.52 | Hawkwind | dougl: apt-get install kernel-image |
| 23:09.03 | dougl | thanks guys :) |
| 23:09.13 | Hawkwind | dougl: If you have testing/unstable sources, you can also do apt-get install -t unstable linux-image |
| 23:09.14 | phych0 | !testing |
| 23:09.14 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 23:09.15 | nixie | Rockj: the data is in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 23:10.03 | dougl | thanks |
| 23:10.25 | Rockj | nixie: I just retried creating the array, array got created and info was in /proc/mdstat . I copyed info and fixed the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf as mdadm itself doesn't fix the config file. But after reboot I can't mount it AGAIN :/ cat /proc/mdstat is empty. |
| 23:10.29 | easytiger | i'm a real retard.. i put the max up to k as my fonts are really small and i didnt read properly |
| 23:10.55 | nixie | Rockj: are your RAID partitons set to the linux raid autodetect flag? |
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| 23:11.42 | jade | anyone come across an issue where system has far too much memor for current system loading, and because it's 32-bin, LowFree is constrained? |
| 23:11.58 | Rockj | nixie: hum. Not that I know. Unsure what that even is :/ I just normally formated the /dev/md0 to a ext3. |
| 23:12.22 | valdyn | jade: cant parse that |
| 23:12.24 | Rockj | nixie: btw, after reboot, I did --> mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb and then I could mount it. |
| 23:13.16 | valdyn | jade: you are wondering why all your memory is used? |
| 23:13.16 | nixie | Rockj: you should not use sda/sdb. instead you should make partitions on sda and sdb and use those for raid. |
| 23:13.18 | Rockj | nixie: how do I enable this linux raid autodetect flag? |
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| 23:13.18 | nixie | Rockj: in cfdisk/fdisk, on a partition. not on an entire disk. |
| 23:13.18 | eeyore- | bulkdata: slashdot has a link to an article on ibm's site. it's a rehash of use-psone-lcd-in-your-computer articles |
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| 23:13.40 | eeyore- | bulkdata: the psone is cheap and plentiful |
| 23:13.48 | eeyore- | bulkdata: uh, the psone-lcd i mean |
| 23:13.58 | Rockj | nixie: ohh. Hum. Oki, so how do I proceed? (been troubling with this for a while) |
| 23:14.13 | jade | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/32884 |
| 23:14.14 | Durin | Rockj: is AUTOSTART=true in /etc/default/mdadm? |
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| 23:14.44 | Rockj | Durin: nope, enabled it. |
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| 23:15.23 | nixie | Rockj: make partitions on sda and sdb (e.g. sda1 and sdb1). use cfdisk to make them and set the Type to FD (linux raid autodetect). make a raid with those partitions. ensure mdadm.conf is correct. rejoice. |
| 23:15.53 | Durin | Rockj: then try a reboot |
| 23:15.56 | nixie | Rockj: you should really refrain from using full disks for raid as troubleshooting will be much harder in the event of problems. |
| 23:16.12 | Rockj | oki. Thanks guys. Ill go try. brb. |
| 23:16.35 | andihit | gn8 all! |
| 23:16.58 | meriad | Stew: yea it works great wth an external monitor |
| 23:17.06 | meriad | Stew: i have it blocked into my aten muiltiport viewer |
| 23:17.12 | meriad | Stew: and it works marveously.. |
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| 23:17.18 | meriad | Stew: must be a setting thats messing with it |
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| 23:17.44 | Rockj | btw, how do I remove the ext3-"partition" that I just made? cfdisk /dev/md0 gives me everything free. Should I just proceed with deleting array and set --zero-superblocks on md0 , sda , sdb and then do as you said nixie? |
| 23:17.50 | valdyn | jade: ~295mb used,~3730mb free or used as buffer/cache |
| 23:17.51 | jnc | Rockj: i've used full disks as raid pds |
| 23:17.55 | valdyn | !ram |
| 23:17.55 | dpkg | somebody said ram was (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep |
| 23:17.56 | jnc | it's a pain in the ass |
| 23:18.09 | nixie | Rockj: you're correct. |
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| 23:18.51 | phych0 | anyone know what tools i need to install to compile a debian kernel? |
| 23:18.52 | Rockj | jnc: I will still use the full disk, I will only do as nixie told me todo. To create partitions first on both of the hdd's and set Type to FD (linux raid autodetect) :) |
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| 23:19.25 | valdyn | jade: linux will use _all_ ram, no matter how much you have to speed up I/O operations, that gets used by applications when they need it. |
| 23:19.30 | nixie | with FD you dont even need mdadm, iirc |
| 23:19.34 | meriad | stew: but now I jst have to figure out which setting is causing the problems |
| 23:19.47 | jnc | twisted` is pissing me off. someone beat him. |
| 23:20.00 | nixie | !moo |
| 23:20.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:20.09 | phaedrus_ | anyway to extract the contents of a .exe file in linux |
| 23:20.09 | phaedrus_ | phaedrus_ ? |
| 23:20.15 | eeyore- | jnc: /ignore |
| 23:20.20 | streuner | !tell phych0 about kp |
| 23:20.26 | jnc | eeyore-: *eye rolling* |
| 23:20.38 | nixie | phaedrus_: if its an executable archive, try its archiver. |
| 23:20.44 | fbhjr | phaedrus_: cabextract? |
| 23:20.51 | phaedrus_ | just .exe |
| 23:20.54 | fbhjr | oh |
| 23:21.02 | streuner | phych0: read newbiedoc.sf.net carefully (Section KERNEL-HOWTO) |
| 23:21.03 | phaedrus_ | any ideas? |
| 23:21.12 | phych0 | ty |
| 23:21.13 | azeem | phaedrus_: is it a self-extracting ZIP? |
| 23:21.22 | phaedrus_ | no |
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| 23:21.27 | phaedrus_ | its just .exe |
| 23:21.28 | jan_ | procps_3.2.1-2_i386.deb: Debian binary package (format 2.0), uses gzip compression |
| 23:21.29 | meriad | !dpkg php4 |
| 23:21.29 | dpkg | it has been said that php4 is php scripting language, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00006.html |
| 23:21.30 | meriad | !dpkg php5 |
| 23:21.30 | dpkg | if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb> for unofficial packages. if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 23:21.37 | jan_ | i want to unpack it, like tar -zxvf $file |
| 23:21.41 | azeem | phaedrus_: so what do you want to unpack? |
| 23:21.45 | meriad | !dpkg dotdeb |
| 23:21.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN |
| 23:21.50 | twisted` | jnc: thanks, i guess >_> |
| 23:21.55 | phaedrus_ | i downloaded drivers for my network card |
| 23:21.56 | valdyn | phaedrus_: wine can run it probably |
| 23:21.59 | DocTomoe | I tried this question about an hour ago ... but to no avail. Maybe now I have more luck... after an upgrade-fest, my apaches php won´t longer work. has anyone an idea on this? httpd.conf (AddType and AddHandler) seems ok, and scripts can be started locally. |
| 23:22.05 | azeem | jan_: a .deb is an ar archive of tars |
| 23:22.10 | phaedrus_ | but it came off the website as an .exe |
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| 23:22.18 | jan_ | azeem: hmm, how do i extract it on a non-debian system ? |
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| 23:22.22 | Rockj | nixie: I should create the ext3-filesystem after I have made the array. mke2fs -j /dev/md0 after array-made. (just wanna be 100% :)) |
| 23:22.29 | streuner | phaedrus_: sell the NIC and buy another one |
| 23:22.33 | azeem | jan_: ar x *.deb then untar the tar.gz's |
| 23:22.38 | azeem | jan_: or so |
| 23:22.41 | jan_ | hmm, good plan :) |
| 23:22.42 | stew | meriad: i'd guess its either the refresh rate that is making your lcd refuse to display or you need to find a setting to force it to use the lcd, with some drivers its something like ForceCRT1Type LCD but i've never used nvidia |
| 23:22.43 | jnc | azeem++; |
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| 23:23.16 | nixie | Rockj: correct |
| 23:23.16 | psychonate | Is ACPI only used in laptops? |
| 23:23.17 | phaedrus_ | lol |
| 23:23.17 | streuner | phaedrus_: NIC's are cheap |
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| 23:23.20 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 23:23.27 | phaedrus_ | this one was 90 bucks when i got it |
| 23:23.31 | azeem | jnc: and praise the elders for having made .deb extractable via standard Unix tools =) |
| 23:23.32 | phaedrus_ | usb 802.11g |
| 23:23.34 | deadcat_ | twisted`: ? |
| 23:23.51 | jnc | azeem: that's the kind of foresight some OTHER packaging formats forsook |
| 23:24.01 | twisted` | deadcat_: ? |
| 23:24.05 | stew | psychonate: no its also used for non-laptops |
| 23:24.08 | Rockj | nixie: hum. Get errors when trying to create array :/ |
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| 23:24.40 | psychonate | stew, I'm trying to determine whether or not to keep support for it in my kernel. I don't think I really need it. |
| 23:24.41 | nixie | Rockj: paste them at http://pastebin.com or describe in one line |
| 23:24.53 | deadcat_ | twisted`: wrong dude. |
| 23:25.08 | stew | psychonate: some newer motherboards use it to report things like cpu temperature |
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| 23:25.14 | Rockj | nixie: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1239 |
| 23:25.24 | meriad | stew- well now at least i know the issue isnt thats it broke n :> |
| 23:25.25 | twisted` | deadcat_: k |
| 23:25.26 | daminap | any one have a m robe 500i here that can tell me about it |
| 23:25.30 | meriad | stew- just configuration problem which is easy enuf to fiddle with |
| 23:25.39 | daminap | i no its not reall ythe channel |
| 23:25.47 | jnc | psychonate: ACPI is for computers made after 1998, pretty much |
| 23:25.54 | psychonate | stew, I believe my mobo uses i2c for that; I have lm-sensors configured. |
| 23:26.03 | jnc | psychonate: you don't want it on a 2.6.8 or earlier kernel |
| 23:26.06 | jnc | IMO |
| 23:26.20 | nixie | Rockj: if these are IDE disks, you might want to reboot to re-initialize partition tables |
| 23:26.24 | psychonate | jnc, well, this will be a 2.6.12 heh |
| 23:26.27 | jnc | actually the number is 2.6.5, but there was an error involved with a contraceptive and a time machine |
| 23:26.30 | jnc | i don't care to talk about it |
| 23:26.40 | psychonate | haha |
| 23:26.41 | Rockj | nixie: They are s-ata disks. |
| 23:26.57 | Rockj | nixie: so I need to reboot after I have created partitions then. ok. rebooting my server. |
| 23:27.00 | psychonate | well, I will just disable the ACPI support that I know I don't need then |
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| 23:27.07 | ribnitz | hexas |
| 23:27.12 | ribnitz | er heyas |
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| 23:27.31 | jnc | Rockj: hold up |
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| 23:27.43 | jnc | Rockj: what kind of raid are you building for md |
| 23:27.52 | Rockj | jnc: raid0. |
| 23:27.56 | jnc | oh |
| 23:27.58 | nixie | Rockj: hm. sata shouldnt be a problem since its scsi, but i have no xperience with sata softraid |
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| 23:28.05 | Rockj | (server already rebooting) |
| 23:28.18 | ribnitz | tetex-doc is 50 mb documentation.... |
| 23:28.23 | Malagmyr | What's that department thingy in the USA that tries to keep illegal aliens out of the country? Some TLA I can't remember... |
| 23:28.25 | jnc | Rockj: i vote that you're retarded. *joking* |
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| 23:28.45 | jnc | 2 drives in software Raid0? what good is that going to do you |
| 23:28.49 | fbhjr | Malagmyr: Walmart |
| 23:29.10 | jnc | Malagmyr: Wal-mart |
| 23:29.17 | mage | Malagmyr, homeland security? ;) |
| 23:29.22 | fbhjr | lol |
| 23:29.27 | jnc | mage: shut up and say Walmart |
| 23:29.32 | Rockj | jnc: better harddisk performance? :) Anyway, there is some issues with the promise-controller so I get bad ass performance anyway :/ |
| 23:29.35 | mage | no |
| 23:29.36 | jnc | *elbow* |
| 23:29.37 | jnc | yes |
| 23:29.40 | ix | twice the speed? |
| 23:29.41 | Malagmyr | Okay, okay. Wrong channel. |
| 23:29.42 | ix | :P |
| 23:29.47 | mage | walmart is the agency that hires the immigrants |
| 23:29.59 | ViViD | is there a tool to edit the gnome menus? |
| 23:30.23 | ribnitz | Rockj: you mean software-assisted raid? |
| 23:30.34 | jnc | ViViD: yes. your next question "where can i get it?" and i'll answer that with you can't. sit back and quit whining. |
| 23:30.47 | jnc | wait for the next Gnome release. |
| 23:31.04 | ViViD | lol, that sounds more like whining than my simple question, whats the name of the app |
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| 23:31.14 | Rockj | ribnitz: software-raid yes. |
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| 23:31.45 | ribnitz | Rockj: so not the md drivers in the linux kernel, some module to patch into the kernel? |
| 23:31.52 | dondelelcaro | jnc: lay off of people, please. |
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| 23:32.12 | poop | That silly lilo works on SATA but grub doesn't. |
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| 23:32.21 | dondelelcaro | poop: they both work on SATA. |
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| 23:32.31 | Rockj | ribnitz: no, md drivers. uses promise_sata module which I have compiled into kernel. |
| 23:32.31 | ribnitz | poop: my grub works fine on sata. |
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| 23:33.00 | loxley_ | caphuso: i tried what you said about reverting the sources.list, and running apt-get update. but packages are still showing up when doing apt-cache show <pkg>.. any hint? |
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| 23:33.39 | ribnitz | Rockj: Shuld work fine then. Did zopu go through the howto?- what do ywant, lvl 0, lvl1 or lvl 5_ |
| 23:34.06 | daminap | any one have a m robe 500i here that can tell me about it |
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| 23:35.11 | jair | anyone here have succeed in the installation of poptop? it is a VPN server for linux-windows private virtual networks VPN? |
| 23:35.13 | dli | how to enable xfce4-battery? |
| 23:35.39 | jnc | poptop is new term for me. |
| 23:35.41 | jnc | interesting. |
| 23:35.42 | meriad | !dpkg mplayer |
| 23:35.43 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 23:36.02 | jair | I have the kernel: 2.6.8-2-686 and in the "poptop" documentation is telling me that I have to get the kernel 2.6.11? |
| 23:36.25 | jair | and also lookslike I will need to have it from the source ;( |
| 23:36.33 | ribnitz | jair: and you run stable and have a problem? ;) |
| 23:36.34 | jnc | jair: building your own kernel is not too complicated, there are helper tools |
| 23:36.51 | Rockj | ribnitz: nope, but I have managed todo it now hopefully. Doing a reboot to see if it automatic mounts it to /home . |
| 23:37.06 | jnc | jair: example command would be 'make-kpkg --append-to-version -jnc1 --revision `date +%Y%m%d` --arch amd64 --subarch k8 --arch-in-name --stem linux --initrd --config menuconfig --rootcmd fakeroot --us --uc binary-arch' |
| 23:37.09 | eeyore- | poop: grub works fine on SATA. it's not a grub thing, it's a bios thing. |
| 23:37.11 | jnc | that's what i use anyhow |
| 23:37.38 | ribnitz | Rockj: What I presonally found too much effort is to have it all on raid, I (used to) boot from a non-raid-small-boot-partition. |
| 23:37.59 | jair | ribnitz, but I do not see the package for my version of debian kernel. |
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| 23:38.01 | jnc | Rockj: i agree to what ribnitz says |
| 23:38.13 | jair | jnc, right it looks pretty nice |
| 23:38.14 | rainer | hi |
| 23:38.24 | Rockj | ribnitz: I have a 5GB hda which is for root. :) |
| 23:38.34 | jimr | cpu hog... running KDE - a process called mapping-daemon starts out being a good citizen but after a few minutes pegs the CPU. Top shows it using 98% of the CPU. If I kill it, everything still seems to work OK. What is it? Can I do without it? Is there a bug/config problem? |
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| 23:38.37 | ribnitz | Rockj: you are wasting space. |
| 23:38.46 | jair | jnc, but I will not have the time now to get a machine and build the kernel so i am looking for an option where everything is already there. |
| 23:38.47 | rainer | does anybody know where is a room to asking how to solve a problem? |
| 23:38.54 | jair | jnc, but will be dificult I think |
| 23:39.09 | ribnitz | rainer: depends on the problem. If its debian related, try here. |
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| 23:39.19 | jnc | rainer: what's your native lang |
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| 23:39.32 | Rockj | ribnitz: I did'nt have a smaller hdd :S And I wanted to map the whole /dev/md0 to /home |
| 23:39.35 | Rockj | mount** |
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| 23:39.44 | jair | jnc, I actually runned the apt-cache search poptop and I found this: pptpd - PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server |
| 23:39.46 | xevious | testing installs 2.6 by default. does it use udev? |
| 23:39.51 | Skrotto | How do you handle usermanagement if you have a directory you want one group to have read/write-access to, and another only read, but everybody else has no rights? |
| 23:40.08 | jair | jnc, this means that I can just do apt-get install xxxx and that's it. |
| 23:40.16 | jnc | xevious: udev doesn't properly work in debian before kernel 2.6.12 |
| 23:40.35 | xevious | jnc: ok |
| 23:40.40 | jnc | Skrotto: maybe ACLs |
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| 23:40.51 | rainer | okay.. i upgraded from stable to testing |
| 23:40.58 | rainer | and i got a bunch of problems |
| 23:40.59 | ribnitz | Rockj: What I also found very useful (after finding out about softraid) was to use LVM for the partitions. That way they can be started small and grown later (if the fs supports that). |
| 23:41.01 | hus | hello, my screen flickers whenever i press on the keyboard, as if a mobile is ringing near the screen, any ideas why, i get this in gnome, didnt get it in kde so far, and gets more severe with time |
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| 23:41.21 | jnc | ribnitz: LVM killed my performance |
| 23:41.34 | jnc | i still use it |
| 23:41.38 | Rockj | Mhm, now it all works. But I bad performance :( Timing cached reads: 552 MB in 2.01 seconds = 275.08 MB/sec |
| 23:41.41 | jnc | i'm just saying for completeness |
| 23:41.52 | Rockj | friend got 1600 MB/sec :/ |
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| 23:42.04 | Rockj | but I guess it has todo with the lame controller. |
| 23:42.05 | jnc | Rockj: if you want raw performance, get a 3ware card |
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| 23:42.18 | Rockj | Timing buffered disk reads: 206 MB in 3.02 seconds = 68.11 MB/sec |
| 23:42.19 | ribnitz | jnc: there's a price you pay for flexibility, dont do pvms/lvms spanning more than one physical medium. |
| 23:42.26 | jnc | right |
| 23:42.44 | Rockj | My disks are even s-ata"2" disks with ncq? or what it is again. |
| 23:42.49 | klock | hey, im using nerolinux 2.0.0.4, and I cant burn because my drive isnt accessable. It says I need to mount the IDE drive as 'ide-scsi'. how does one do this? |
| 23:43.12 | jnc | klock: first question, is your cd burner PATA or SATA interface |
| 23:43.14 | jair | jnc, I think I can use the one I found on my version of kernel and linux. |
| 23:43.16 | jnc | (or USB?) |
| 23:43.18 | Rockj | Anyway, doesn't matter that much. |
| 23:43.29 | jair | jnc, what do you think? have you ever configure poptop? |
| 23:43.43 | jnc | jair: sorry, no clue about VPN |
| 23:43.43 | jair | ribnitz, have you ever configure poptop? |
| 23:43.48 | jair | jnc, ok |
| 23:43.49 | ribnitz | Rockj: If you want better performance, go for (true hardware) raid, or more disks. this in general means 3ware controllers for SATA. |
| 23:43.49 | jair | thanks |
| 23:44.00 | ribnitz | jair: nope. |
| 23:44.02 | jnc | jair: i haven't the time to learn about it (and though I would like to) |
| 23:44.08 | klock | jnc, pata and sata are new, this is an older drive |
| 23:44.16 | xam | Rockj: cached read performance has a lot to do with your type of PC and memory interface |
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| 23:44.26 | jair | ribnitz, i found this on my version right now running apt-cache search pptpd - PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server |
| 23:44.28 | jnc | klock: one of those funky things that goes to your sound card? |
| 23:44.42 | muerd | hy anybody with directfb |
| 23:44.46 | curt | need a good gui diff file viewer editor.... |
| 23:44.46 | jair | jnc, I am working on that you you keep in contact I can help you out later |
| 23:44.52 | xevious | any config files other than XF86Config that you guys recommend copying over to the home directory before wiping the mandrake system partition and installing debian? |
| 23:44.55 | klock | jnc, what? |
| 23:44.58 | kreg_dcdi | if sendmail "recieves email" by listening for email on port 25, why is it called "send" ? |
| 23:44.59 | jnc | jair: thanks for the offer :) |
| 23:45.00 | jair | ribnitz, ok I will go ahead and try with that one though |
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| 23:45.03 | Rockj | xam: ahh, I see. Going to upgrade more memory after christmas. Ill see later if I can find a better controller but they aren't cheap. |
| 23:45.05 | ribnitz | curt: eclipse. |
| 23:45.05 | jair | jnc, ;) |
| 23:45.13 | muerd | im looking for manual |
| 23:45.15 | Rockj | Anyway, Thanks guys for helping a newbie :) |
| 23:45.15 | jnc | that was genuinely nice |
| 23:45.15 | curt | ribnitz, thank you |
| 23:45.29 | klock | jnc, the drive is conected to my sound card through analog out, but what does that have to do with anything |
| 23:45.31 | jnc | !jair++ |
| 23:45.49 | jnc | klock: okay let me clarify to you what PATA and SATA are |
| 23:45.51 | ribnitz | curt: (that actually ias a full blown java ide, more than 50mb...) |
| 23:45.56 | xam | Rockj: it is not the amount, but rather the type of memory, e.g. DDR, DDR2 etc ... |
| 23:46.22 | curt | ribnitz, if it work good that's all i care about |
| 23:46.34 | jnc | interfaces. PATA is the parallel type with a ribbon connector, SATA has a flat low conductor count wire |
| 23:46.35 | curt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.39 | stew | klock: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:46.56 | ribnitz | curt: it will need (a decidedly non-free) java sdk to run.. |
| 23:47.07 | klock | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 23:47.11 | Rockj | xam: Ohh, the box only has sdram. (P3 500mhz, 386mB for now (going more memory at homehome)). What performance do you useually get on the Timing buffered disk reads? |
| 23:47.32 | jnc | so it's either PATA, SATA, SCSI, SCA, ASC, USB, IEEE1394, old retro sound card i/o type, or i've never heard of it |
| 23:47.37 | curt | ribnitz, your turning me off... |
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| 23:48.00 | stew | klock: you don't need to use ide-scsi with 2.6 kernels |
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| 23:48.08 | stew | klock: that is only for 2.4 kernels |
| 23:48.10 | ribnitz | curt: all I am saying is that its probably overkill for just "diff" |
| 23:48.12 | klock | weird |
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| 23:48.18 | klock | hold on, ima try something |
| 23:48.21 | jnc | curt: eclipse runs with some free things like classpath |
| 23:48.27 | jnc | not 100% yet though |
| 23:48.28 | xam | Rockj: on my PA-RISC box I get about 500MB/s, and on my ia64 box I get about 1600MB/s |
| 23:48.29 | curt | ribnitz, you know what packages I need for it |
| 23:48.57 | curt | ribnitz, i see the eclipse-javac |
| 23:48.58 | ribnitz | curt: j2sdk1.4, eclipse. |
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| 23:49.33 | ribnitz | curt: or a j2sdk1.5 if such a thing exists. |
| 23:49.35 | Rockj | xam: Hum, wasent that cached reads you said? or you get that good performance on buffered disk reads too? |
| 23:50.05 | xam | Rockj: 50-60MB/s on both |
| 23:50.10 | grendal_prime | jesus windows xp has the most fucked up network management tools i have ever seen |
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| 23:50.21 | Rockj | oki :) |
| 23:50.36 | grendal_prime | they dont work..and a management tool that has..."repair connection" on it? |
| 23:50.43 | grendal_prime | what the fk does that even mean |
| 23:51.04 | jnc | grendal_prime: go away |
| 23:51.05 | Guerin | grendal_prime: it means 'unload the driver and then reload it, just in case that fixes something' |
| 23:51.08 | ribnitz | grendal_prime: if the thing is broken, you can repair it with the tool? |
| 23:51.24 | grendal_prime | its bazar |
| 23:51.45 | h3xis | anyone here know of an app that allows me to use my creative zen micro with debian or if gnomad2 is compatible with the zen micro? |
| 23:51.51 | deadcat_ | someone try webmail.gwfund.com for me see if it works or not thanks. |
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| 23:52.07 | ribnitz | Rockj: I dont know my reads offhand, but its like two raid5 arrays, 5 disks each, connected with scsi. |
| 23:52.20 | klock | well, nero gives me the error " the disk is not writeable, insert a disk yadad yada, disk requires = cd-r/rw. disk in is a cd-r |
| 23:52.29 | ribnitz | Rockj: On the upside, the Sparc has lame harddisks. |
| 23:52.42 | klock | I tried it as a reg. user and as rooot |
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| 23:53.14 | ribnitz | klock: that disk perhaps non-empty? |
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| 23:53.30 | klock | ribintz: no man i just pulled them out of the package |
| 23:53.33 | h3xis | klock, are you trying to make a copy of a CD? |
| 23:53.42 | grendal_prime | and it doesnt work for shit |
| 23:53.49 | klock | h3xis: no |
| 23:54.03 | jnc | deadcat: appears that it loads from chicago IL usa |
| 23:54.04 | phych0 | anyone know how i would configure debian to configure my wireless interfaces at boot? |
| 23:54.16 | xam | Rockj: my P4 1.5GHz at work has 490MB/s and 30MB/s ... so your specs sound normal |
| 23:54.17 | jnc | gah |
| 23:54.19 | jnc | two deadcats |
| 23:54.22 | jnc | damn the world |
| 23:54.22 | grendal_prime | you run that stupid connection setup wizzard...its the only way now..and at the end if you already have a connection it says..."you should already be connected to the internet" i mean what the hell is that all about. |
| 23:54.27 | h3xis | klock, oh..welll i had a similar problem except i couldnt copy CDs, i could only write individial data tracks to them |
| 23:54.30 | phych0 | how would i use the 'run' file? |
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| 23:54.34 | ribnitz | phych0: edit /etc/network/interfaces, man interfaces. |
| 23:54.53 | jnc | grendal_prime: see topic, go away. |
| 23:54.55 | klock | anyone else have any other suggestions to cd-burning utils? |
| 23:54.56 | phych0 | yeah.. but what about /etc/network/run? couldnt i put the commands in there? |
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| 23:55.07 | phych0 | i need to set it up to run hostapd |
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| 23:55.25 | jnc | klock: cdrecord is pretty useful. if you need GUI tools, i've had successes with k3b |
| 23:55.37 | phych0 | /usr/src/linux-2.4.32/include/asm/processor.h:75: error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 23:55.37 | phych0 | make[1]: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 |
| 23:55.40 | phych0 | anyone seen that before? ;/ |
| 23:55.42 | LzF | hi |
| 23:55.46 | jnc | klock: if you need to burn nero 'nrg' archives, there are bchunk patches out there |
| 23:55.48 | Bogaurd | is there a dspam debian package? |
| 23:55.53 | ribnitz | klock: for gui: k3b, xcdroast. former also does dvds. |
| 23:55.54 | jnc | phych0: yeah |
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| 23:56.01 | jnc | phych0: what are you trying to compile? |
| 23:56.02 | Rockj | xam: Ah. Nice to hear :) Good I'am managing something then. |
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| 23:56.27 | phych0 | kernel |
| 23:56.40 | phych0 | 2.4.32 |
| 23:56.41 | xam | phych0: no, you want to put it in /etc/network/interfaces, just add a 'up hostapd' line |
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| 23:56.49 | jnc | oh |
| 23:56.56 | jnc | phych0: what kernel headers do you have installed? |
| 23:57.04 | klock | apt-getting k3b now |
| 23:57.08 | LzF | hey.. don't mean to bother but.. can anyone ell me what programming language is better to learn when u start off?? |
| 23:57.13 | phych0 | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.13+0rc3-2 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
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| 23:57.14 | Rickson | olá... |
| 23:57.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:57.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:57.27 | ice_1963 | what about gnomebaker |
| 23:57.29 | ribnitz | LzF: better for what? |
| 23:57.34 | stew | phych0: which gcc are you using? |
| 23:57.34 | abrotman | ribnitz: !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:57.40 | LzF | easier you know. |
| 23:57.43 | ribnitz | abrotman: !!! |
| 23:57.44 | phych0 | gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2) |
| 23:57.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:57.53 | LzF | don't know anything about programming |
| 23:57.54 | abrotman | ribnitz: you've been hiding in siberia! |
| 23:58.00 | LzF | but really wanna learn |
| 23:58.00 | ribnitz | abrotman: Moved, had to kick the tleco to give me an internet. |
| 23:58.04 | phych0 | im building a 2.4 kernel, and i had 2.6 headers.. dont i need 2.4 headers too? |
| 23:58.05 | stew | phych0: i'm not sure, 2.4 kernels might need a gcc3 to compile |
| 23:58.05 | abrotman | ah |
| 23:58.07 | jnc | LzF: Ruby is very new, and not yet mature. if you want to start off with something simple, try starting out with Python |
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| 23:58.14 | stew | phych0: you don't need headers |
| 23:58.16 | phych0 | k |
| 23:58.17 | jnc | LzF: personally i think all people should learn Ruby |
| 23:58.23 | abrotman | ruby is crap |
| 23:58.28 | abrotman | learn Pascal! :) |
| 23:58.36 | phych0 | theres a bug about it online |
| 23:58.37 | klock | i love pascal |
| 23:58.37 | loxley_ | Ruby documentation is nice though :) |
| 23:58.38 | jnc | Pascal is probably best |
| 23:58.44 | jnc | it's too obscure these days though |
| 23:58.45 | ribnitz | abrotman: yes, and it was very nice there, warm, very nice landscape, very friendly people. WOrking on the language, atm. What about you? |
| 23:58.46 | UdontKnow | pascal:=crap; |
| 23:58.47 | abrotman | is there even a free pascal compiler ? |
| 23:58.54 | stew | phych0: do you have gcc 3.3 or 3.4 installed? |
| 23:58.57 | abrotman | UdontKnow: hehe |
| 23:58.59 | UdontKnow | abrotman: freepascal.org, gnu pascal |
| 23:59.03 | LzF | pascal? and what compiler? |
| 23:59.05 | abrotman | UdontKnow: and it's in debian ? |
| 23:59.06 | phych0 | 4.0.2 |
| 23:59.11 | phych0 | dont think ive got 3.3. or 3.4 on |
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| 23:59.15 | UdontKnow | abrotman: at least those 2 |
| 23:59.19 | jnc | LzF: i don't know of any decent *nix capable pascal compilers, that is the trouble |
| 23:59.21 | UdontKnow | abrotman: afaik both are |
| 23:59.23 | phych0 | nope just 4.x |
| 23:59.24 | phych0 | do i need 3.x? |
| 23:59.25 | abrotman | LzF: oh . we were joking . pascal is a good learning language .. but not practical for much .. try python |
| 23:59.31 | ribnitz | LzF: Your very first language? |
| 23:59.37 | LzF | yeap |
| 23:59.41 | UdontKnow | heh |
| 23:59.43 | abrotman | ribnitz: i've just been staying out of trouble |
| 23:59.44 | jnc | LzF: newer languages like Python, PHP, Ruby, C, C++, all have readily available runtime or compilers |
| 23:59.47 | LzF | i've been learning linux for some time now |
| 23:59.50 | UdontKnow | I learned pascal as my 3rd language |
| 23:59.57 | abrotman | it was my 3rd too! |
| 23:59.58 | phych0 | i learned pascal as my 1st |
