| 00:00.04 | LzF | and programming is kinda the next step |
| 00:00.04 | jnc | LzF: avoid learning COBOL |
| 00:00.04 | abrotman | after LOGO and BASIC |
| 00:00.05 | UdontKnow | my first was asm-z80, second was basic |
| 00:00.08 | jnc | LOGO is amazing |
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| 00:00.19 | stew | phych0: try apt-get install gcc-3.4 and /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 00:00.20 | UdontKnow | learned those even before LOGO |
| 00:00.21 | phych0 | k |
| 00:00.26 | ribnitz | abrotman: With a little luck back to siberia next summer, or perhaps even in winter, but need to get the language sorted out. |
| 00:00.35 | UdontKnow | asm-z80 is awful |
| 00:00.44 | abrotman | ribnitz: i was joking |
| 00:00.44 | curt | eclipse doesn't seem to be what I need |
| 00:00.45 | LzF | isn't pascal derived from cobor, jnc? |
| 00:00.45 | UdontKnow | :) |
| 00:00.49 | curt | need a good gui diff file viewer editor.... |
| 00:00.50 | jnc | UdontKnow: i have fond memories of writing z80 assembler code on TI graphing calcs in math class |
| 00:00.53 | jnc | :) |
| 00:00.58 | UdontKnow | jnc: heh |
| 00:01.02 | deadcat | someone help me try webmail.gwfund.com thanks. or just send an email to techsupport@gwfund.com |
| 00:01.03 | curt | abrotman, hi |
| 00:01.04 | UdontKnow | jnc: my z80 was a bit different |
| 00:01.06 | abrotman | LzF: don't use pascal .. i was joking |
| 00:01.07 | abrotman | curt: hey |
| 00:01.09 | jnc | curt: you want something with dual pane comparison of two files and the hex bytes? |
| 00:01.14 | LzF | lol |
| 00:01.17 | jnc | i'm not |
| 00:01.25 | abrotman | LzF: i'd really go with python .. fairly simple .. |
| 00:01.26 | jnc | pascal is great for scholarly work |
| 00:01.35 | curt | jnc, without the hex is fine, just text, but that can edit them aslo |
| 00:01.36 | ribnitz | abrotman: Well, spend this years holidays touring russia, moscow, transsib to ulan ude, st.petersburg, really liked it. |
| 00:01.44 | jnc | a lot of modern proofs and computer algorithms are reduced to pascal code bites |
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| 00:01.50 | abrotman | ribnitz: ah .. heh .. i was only joking . and i was right! :) |
| 00:02.06 | jnc | curt: hm. if you find one let me know |
| 00:02.10 | thingfish | ribnitz: you speak any russian? |
| 00:02.19 | abrotman | i have two books with roughly the same language .. one in Ada . one in Pascal |
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| 00:02.31 | abrotman | kill the bots! |
| 00:02.32 | LzF | so python is a little newer right? |
| 00:02.33 | curt | jnc, fldiff but you can't edit |
| 00:02.37 | ribnitz | thingfish: not yet. |
| 00:02.42 | jnc | LzF: yes. Python is quite mature by now though |
| 00:02.44 | abrotman | LzF: you can do lots of stuff with python .. python.org |
| 00:02.59 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
| 00:03.01 | jnc | LzF: i hate python, personally, but i cannot deny that it is a great way to learn programming |
| 00:03.02 | LzF | hey thanks a lot! |
| 00:03.03 | SerajewelKS | something reset my TERM variable |
| 00:03.09 | ice_1963 | i'm going to start with python |
| 00:03.22 | ribnitz | abrotman: ada is/was a pascal with special needs (embedded, military) to provability. |
| 00:03.24 | SerajewelKS | how did TERM get set to 'xterm' without my consent |
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| 00:03.42 | abrotman | ribnitz: no .. it's just funny that i have two books .. with the same examples .. but different languages :) |
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| 00:03.48 | deadcat | abrotman: want to help out? |
| 00:03.51 | curt | I really just want to compare a couple dozen php files for an ecommerce site |
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| 00:03.57 | LzF | last time i asked for help in a channel no one would care |
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| 00:03.59 | abrotman | deadcat: is it your kernel ? |
| 00:04.12 | deadcat | abrotman: yes. |
| 00:04.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:04.21 | SerajewelKS | what the crap |
| 00:04.22 | ribnitz | abrotman: my favorite book has examples in a programming language I havent learnt yet. |
| 00:04.24 | abrotman | jnc: there are certainly worse languages to start with |
| 00:04.29 | deadcat | abrotman: see you can go to webmail.gwfund.com |
| 00:04.32 | jnc | abrotman: like bf? |
| 00:04.38 | UdontKnow | jnc: http://www.aorodriguez.net/blog/cp500.jpg |
| 00:04.41 | abrotman | jnc: or whitespace :) |
| 00:04.41 | UdontKnow | jnc: my z80 |
| 00:04.48 | deadcat | maybe some dns not sync'ed up yet? |
| 00:04.49 | abrotman | deadcat: yeah .. looks fine .. |
| 00:04.54 | jnc | UdontKnow: kick ass ! :) |
| 00:04.58 | SerajewelKS | oh dangit that's right. why would KDE be coming up with an instance of xterm? |
| 00:05.01 | jnc | thanks for the link |
| 00:05.02 | UdontKnow | jnc: it still runs! |
| 00:05.09 | jnc | oh geeze |
| 00:05.11 | SerajewelKS | i don't recall adding xterm to startup or saving a session |
| 00:05.11 | deadcat | abrotman: i cant get there from some dns. |
| 00:05.15 | phych0 | export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd --revision=qos.1.0 kernel_image modules_image |
| 00:05.20 | LzF | i'm going to try and learn python then.. see ya |
| 00:05.20 | phych0 | is that right to compile a kernel with gcc 3.4? |
| 00:05.24 | jnc | i remember some of the great assembly wizards who wrote video games for graphing calcs |
| 00:05.24 | abrotman | deadcat: the TTL hasn't expired yet probably |
| 00:05.33 | UdontKnow | jnc: I dont have the audio-cassette recorder for it anymore |
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| 00:05.40 | ribnitz | how good is xserver-xorg in unstable?- better sticking to Xfree86? |
| 00:05.42 | UdontKnow | jnc: nor the printer |
| 00:05.45 | jnc | LzF: do yourself a favor and buy the book "Programming Ruby 2nd edition" |
| 00:05.46 | abrotman | UdontKnow: i have an 8track player you can have |
| 00:05.48 | thingfish | LzF: if no one answers, it's not that they don't care, it's that either they don't know the answer to your question, you haven't given them enough information to go on, or your question suggests you really should've googled first. |
| 00:05.54 | SerajewelKS | DANGIT |
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| 00:06.03 | UdontKnow | jnc: and the 160kb 5.1/4" disk drive is too old |
| 00:06.05 | deadcat | ribnitz: xorg is the thing. xfree no more |
| 00:06.08 | SerajewelKS | what is the default value of $TERM, the one konsole expects it to be? |
| 00:06.13 | jnc | heh |
| 00:06.20 | UdontKnow | jnc: but it got on-rom basic and asm shells |
| 00:06.30 | abrotman | UdontKnow: do you still have a disk punch ? |
| 00:06.30 | jnc | that's neat |
| 00:06.32 | ribnitz | deadcat: are there nvidia drivers for that? |
| 00:06.55 | UdontKnow | abrotman: that beast got an internal 5 1/4" floppy drive! |
| 00:06.57 | jnc | UdontKnow: z80 and 68k assembly is alive and well in the neo geo console hobbiest community |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | UdontKnow: but don't you need the disk punch for double sided ? |
| 00:07.08 | jnc | writing new programs and games for old arcade cabinets |
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| 00:07.15 | abrotman | (it's been a while since i used the Apple) |
| 00:07.15 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: that's like asking if a certain brand of power cord will work with your computer. it's an X module, it works with X servers. |
| 00:07.18 | UdontKnow | abrotman: nah, scissors can do it |
| 00:07.19 | deadcat | !tell ribnitz about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:07.26 | abrotman | UdontKnow: obviously :) |
| 00:07.29 | UdontKnow | abrotman: thats the way we used to do it |
| 00:07.44 | abrotman | UdontKnow: we had a disk punch at home .. but yes.. scissors work too |
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| 00:08.14 | UdontKnow | abrotman: we had an M120 too (that link is for the M80) |
| 00:08.14 | ribnitz | thanks for that one liner. |
| 00:08.24 | UdontKnow | the M120 is beige, and got two floppy drives |
| 00:08.29 | UdontKnow | killer beast! |
| 00:08.40 | abrotman | UdontKnow: we just had an Apple //e .. and a 486 gateway .. the apple still works .. dunno where the gateway is :) |
| 00:08.45 | odla_ | i am interested in learning how to make and potentially develop debian packages and I am curious if anyone could point me to a good link on this matter |
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| 00:09.05 | Guerin | odla: #debian-mentors |
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| 00:09.14 | abrotman | !tell odla about mg |
| 00:09.15 | jnc | odla: you're wishing for death btw |
| 00:09.15 | ribnitz | olda: d.o/devel |
| 00:09.16 | Guerin | !tell odla about nm guide |
| 00:09.16 | abrotman | !tell odla about nm |
| 00:09.17 | odla | Guerin: thanks! |
| 00:09.42 | oKtosiTe | jnc: sssh! |
| 00:09.52 | jnc | i was a gentoo dev |
| 00:09.57 | jnc | i know what i'm talking about :) |
| 00:10.02 | loxley_ | jnc: why? it's always nice with more maintainers |
| 00:10.22 | jnc | well, start small at least |
| 00:10.29 | oKtosiTe | jnc: how does debian dev'ing compare to gentoo dev'ing? |
| 00:10.29 | jnc | something non library |
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| 00:10.33 | jnc | hm |
| 00:10.33 | ribnitz | loxley_: When you sign up you dont necessarily know what awaits you. |
| 00:10.48 | jnc | i'm not a debian dev (though i might like to be one!) |
| 00:10.56 | jnc | with gentoo there is no accountability |
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| 00:11.13 | jnc | however i don't have to wait for crap to be 100% right before fixing a mistake |
| 00:11.16 | loxley_ | ribnitz: but you got to start somewhere right |
| 00:11.17 | ribnitz | jnc: meaning that anyone can shoot you without good reason? |
| 00:11.21 | oKtosiTe | jnc: I wonder because these are my favorite distros, gentoo for the desktops, debian for the servers. |
| 00:11.31 | lish | I have some matters about my new system. i installed it by "debootstrap" way,but now, i chroot into the new system, the "proc" filesystem seemed not to be mounted |
| 00:11.40 | MrBallZ | is there something similar to " ontrack easy recovery " but for linux, that i can recover deleted data on a fat32 drive ? |
| 00:11.42 | jnc | debian is managed far more beuracratically |
| 00:11.43 | ribnitz | loxley_: that usually is knowing d.o/devel by heart. |
| 00:11.45 | oKtosiTe | jnc: gentoo lacks security updates, that bothers me. |
| 00:11.57 | jnc | there's a devoted gentoo security team |
| 00:12.05 | jnc | it's just not an "update" per-say |
| 00:12.32 | ribnitz | Gentoo workls differently. More loosely. |
| 00:12.32 | jnc | my focus is on professional-level audio apps |
| 00:12.34 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: no it doesn't |
| 00:12.46 | abrotman | jnc: can you package .. uhm .. wired for debian ? |
| 00:12.47 | oKtosiTe | jnc: possible, but I can't tell my gentoo server to auto-update with a security server, as far as I know. |
| 00:12.55 | jnc | abrotman: heh heh |
| 00:12.56 | Guerin | the fact that there's ㅜno gentoo 'stable' is the biggest issue |
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| 00:13.02 | abrotman | jnc: if only i were joking |
| 00:13.05 | jnc | abrotman: we couldn't even get it to compile for gentoo reliably |
| 00:13.06 | Guerin | any given day, any or everything might be broken |
| 00:13.15 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: what doesn't what? |
| 00:13.22 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: gentoo has security |
| 00:13.26 | abrotman | err a security team |
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| 00:13.39 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: my point exactly. |
| 00:13.54 | lish | there are two partitions in my hard disk but i cannt mount /dev/hda2, even more,there are no /dev/hda* in my new OS |
| 00:13.58 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: you said it didn't |
| 00:14.00 | ice_1963 | how can i install nvidia driver in xserver-xorg? |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | !tell ice_1963 about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:14.19 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 00:14.25 | jnc | abrotman: a large trouble that i don't know well enough to work around is picking the packages i want to update, i.e. pro audio development is so quick that an audio app may require 4 new libraries, and one of them doesn't even exist yet |
| 00:14.33 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: my phrasing was badly chosen. |
| 00:14.42 | abrotman | jnc: then you can package that too! :) |
| 00:15.10 | abrotman | jnc: though . wired hasn't been updated in a long time |
| 00:15.22 | lish | could anybody give me some idea? i'm puzzled |
| 00:15.35 | phych0 | anyone know how to rename interfaces? |
| 00:15.35 | fbi | lish: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 00:15.41 | phych0 | e.g. eth0 to wan |
| 00:15.43 | phych0 | e.g. eth0 to wan0 |
| 00:15.47 | phych0 | eth1 to lan etc |
| 00:16.00 | thingfish | now there's a new one. |
| 00:16.01 | lish | fbi: yes, but... |
| 00:16.17 | lish | # fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 00:16.17 | lish | debian:~# |
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| 00:16.32 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:16.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:16.41 | fbi | lish: what is the master device on your primary ide? |
| 00:16.51 | thingfish | oh you and your moos. |
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| 00:17.28 | lish | fbi: in my old system, fdisk is ok |
| 00:17.29 | lish | dev/hda2 * |
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| 00:18.00 | fbi | lish: what do you mean "old system". what operating systems are installed, and where are they. |
| 00:18.25 | lish | fbi: my old system DEBIAN is installed /dev/hda2 |
| 00:19.11 | fbi | lish: and ? |
| 00:19.36 | lish | fbi: now i wanna install a new DEBIAN in /dev/hda1 |
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| 00:20.05 | fbi | lish: so do it |
| 00:20.31 | jade | if i set up a cron job from a user account, then log off, does the cron job continue to run as scheduled? |
| 00:20.31 | jnc | abrotman: actually, if you think that it would help out Debian, i might be interested in being a Debian dev |
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| 00:20.38 | jnc | seeing as i totally use Debian on my desktop everyday |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | jnc: the process is not trivial to become a DD |
| 00:21.04 | ribnitz | jnc: and lengthy. |
| 00:21.13 | jnc | what else is new |
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| 00:21.20 | abrotman | jnc: the idea is to find somehitng you want .. or look at debian.org/devel/wnpp for something to package |
| 00:21.21 | thingfish | the only thing I could do to help Debian devs is to bartend. |
| 00:21.24 | lish | fbi: i install the 2nd DEBIAN by "debootstrap",but some matters: i cannt find /dev/hda* in the new system |
| 00:21.27 | ribnitz | abrotman: what was it, 12 months mean from application? |
| 00:21.37 | abrotman | thingfish: ask tarzeau how long his has taken .. |
| 00:21.39 | thingfish | for like a party or something. |
| 00:21.49 | abrotman | err ribnitz |
| 00:22.09 | ribnitz | abrotman: havent looked in a long time. |
| 00:22.27 | jnc | gentoo took 5-6mos |
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| 00:23.01 | abrotman | ribnitz: tarzeau's got put on hold .. it's over two years now :) |
| 00:23.06 | thingfish | I think they're going to list gentoo in the next DSM. |
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| 00:23.10 | abrotman | jnc: i think most DDs take about a year |
| 00:23.37 | abrotman | jnc: http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 00:23.55 | ribnitz | abrotman: I quit like after that time. |
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| 00:24.09 | abrotman | ribnitz: well . it happens |
| 00:24.16 | abrotman | ribnitz: he's working on it again it hink |
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| 00:25.00 | jnc | I like Debian, it's probably too bad i haven't already taken steps to become more involved in the development |
| 00:25.07 | abrotman | jnc: so do it now ... |
| 00:25.10 | jnc | i'm so busy building the Freematrix project PR stuff |
| 00:25.10 | thingfish | I bet it's colder here than it is in norway. |
| 00:25.10 | ribnitz | abrotman: I need a new interesting package, not the one I got now (which basically lost upstream). |
| 00:25.12 | jnc | :) |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | ribnitz: synfig! .. |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | ribnitz: or you can fix wired .. which doesn't compile on etch |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | i figure it's not gcc4 clean |
| 00:25.50 | jnc | wired looks interesting |
| 00:26.21 | jnc | does anyone mantain wired now? |
| 00:26.24 | abrotman | no |
| 00:26.27 | jnc | i would like to see Om packaged |
| 00:26.31 | abrotman | not that i'm aware |
| 00:26.39 | jnc | Wired is more like a curiosity to me |
| 00:27.09 | abrotman | Om doesn't even have an RFP or ITP |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | neither does wired |
| 00:27.56 | snoopy | ok i am installing bittornado but keep getting this message "Package libwxgtk2.4-python is not configured yet." any really know how i can go about doing that |
| 00:28.15 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
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| 00:29.13 | snoopy | abrotman: that directed at me? |
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| 00:30.33 | MrBallZ | is there something similar to " ontrack easy recovery " but for linux, that i can recover deleted data on a fat32 drive ? |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | snoopy: yes |
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| 00:31.09 | jnc | there's a perl script which plucks out jpeg data |
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| 00:31.16 | fas3r | i all |
| 00:31.19 | jnc | i used it to recover thousands of digital pictures once |
| 00:31.51 | Azar | hello honorables, news, news: SCO, formerly known as Santa Cruz Operations, recently changed their name to Santa Claus Operations. In a recent press release SCO said it would begin sending out invoices to anyone who celebrates or profits from Christmas in the next couple of weeks including corporations and individuals. A price list for SCO Christmas licenses which companies and individuals need to celebrate the holiday without violating SC |
| 00:31.51 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.04 | snoopy | k thanks |
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| 00:32.18 | jnc | dot dot dot |
| 00:32.22 | ribnitz | abrotman: those dont seem to be in wnpp? |
| 00:32.29 | abrotman | Azar: make me smack you! |
| 00:32.37 | abrotman | ribnitz: synfig or wired or what ? |
| 00:32.39 | Guerin | Azar: step away from the crack pipe |
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| 00:32.42 | Azar | sorry, I could not pass that |
| 00:32.47 | fas3r | do you know if it's possible to chroot a user directory (/home/user) for when "exemple" user connect in ssh it's impossible to go to / ... |
| 00:33.01 | fbi | !kingsleysmite Azar |
| 00:33.01 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Azar: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.946754213693691! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 00:33.04 | ribnitz | abrotman: either. |
| 00:33.09 | bbrazil | fas3r: I believe its possible, never done |
| 00:33.11 | jnc | haha |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | ribnitz: synfig is being worked on |
| 00:33.13 | jnc | brazil |
| 00:33.18 | bbrazil | fas3r: +it |
| 00:33.21 | abrotman | ribnitz: so is wired |
| 00:33.29 | nixie | faser: yes; his shell in /etc/passwd should be a chroot script. iirc. |
| 00:33.33 | Azar | right, but hey, I managed past the basic iptables \0/ |
| 00:33.55 | jnc | abrotman: does key signing mean a hand-written signature? |
| 00:33.58 | pi-meson | gstreamer-0.10 depends on liboil-0.3.2, and sarge only ships with 0.3.1. Is there some easy way to take the liboil debs from testing and recompile them on sarge? |
| 00:34.02 | Azar | btw, fail2ban is not working, is running but does not do the job, my auth.log fills up |
| 00:34.14 | bbrazil | jnc: its my name |
| 00:34.18 | jnc | bbrazil: the movie "brazil" |
| 00:34.22 | dondelelcaro | Azar: do you have the iptables modules loaded? |
| 00:34.28 | dondelelcaro | Azar: can you run iptables -L? |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | jnc: it's supposed to mean a face-to-face meeting iirc .. you mean someone who is another DD and have your key signed .. or something like that |
| 00:34.45 | jnc | abrotman: oh okay, social network |
| 00:34.50 | SerajewelKS | why would the iptables manpage look find, but the dhcping manpage have control characters plastered all over it? |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | well . not social .. |
| 00:34.55 | dondelelcaro | it means that you get your gnupg key signed. |
| 00:35.05 | Azar | dondelecaro, yes and I see fail2ban in my iptables but the logs still go wild, I need to look in LOG rules |
| 00:35.05 | dondelelcaro | and yes, there are DDs near chicago. |
| 00:35.07 | SerajewelKS | fine* |
| 00:35.07 | abrotman | jnc: there's a DD map |
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| 00:35.48 | fas3r | yes nixie, do you think in the passwd file for user i make "/bin/false" instead of "/home/user" |
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| 00:36.01 | abrotman | jnc: i found out there's one a few miles from me .. but i have no idea who it is |
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| 00:36.12 | Azar | I have put max 5 for scriptkiddies, but I still see more than 5 illegal attempts so is not working |
| 00:36.12 | fas3r | or /dev/null |
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| 00:36.35 | nixie | fas3r: more like /bin/bash is changed to /usr/local/bin/chrootscript, which should be a script to enter the chroot so the user cannot get out. google is your friend. |
| 00:36.38 | peterS | jnc: no, it's not a social network. it's a way to know whether someone is who they say they are. |
| 00:36.45 | abrotman | jnc: and i'm not really close to much |
| 00:36.47 | pi-meson | or is there some good place to find testing .debs compiled (backported) to stable? |
| 00:36.56 | peterS | jnc: in-person meetings are the simplest way to get some confidence of this |
| 00:37.02 | prjktdtnt | How would I update my pci list (ex: Scan for hardware changes) |
| 00:37.18 | ribnitz | abrotman: the xfce thingies look cool. |
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| 00:37.26 | abrotman | peterS: see .. noone wants to see me after the umbrella hat incident .. i'll never be a DD :) |
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| 00:37.45 | peterS | abrotman: I'm not aware of the umbrella hat incident |
| 00:37.48 | jnc | peterS: i meant that in the sense that you say, so that everyone can be reasonably assured that everyone else exists |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | peterS: you don't read planet.d.n ? |
| 00:38.02 | peterS | abrotman: no |
| 00:38.07 | jnc | umbrella... hat... |
| 00:38.10 | Buddha| | What do I need to add to my /etc/apt/sources.list to get access to the experimental branch for AMD64? |
| 00:38.16 | ribnitz | Ok. back in a bit. rebooting, want to see XOrg break. :) |
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| 00:38.34 | abrotman | peterS: damog sent me a hat :) |
| 00:38.46 | jnc | Buddha|: hang on, i'll grep my sources.list |
| 00:38.50 | SerajewelKS | did the format of the manpages in etch change recently? |
| 00:38.57 | prjktdtnt | jnc Marillot (sp) |
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| 00:39.10 | jnc | marillat |
| 00:39.14 | jnc | Buddha|: deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 00:39.16 | bbrazil | jnc: ah, good movie |
| 00:39.24 | jnc | Buddha|: that's not experimental, exactly |
| 00:39.27 | jnc | it's 'etch' |
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| 00:39.44 | jnc | for experimental packages what i do is compile them from source and install locally |
| 00:39.45 | SerajewelKS | is anyone even listening... |
| 00:39.46 | prjktdtnt | Sarge - stable, etch - testing, sid - unstable |
| 00:39.47 | jnc | seems to work best |
| 00:39.48 | karsten | fbi: Thanks (2hrs late...) |
| 00:40.18 | lish | fbi: i go to class and thank you . bye :) |
| 00:40.24 | lish | bye,all |
| 00:40.24 | prjktdtnt | I hate my home network |
| 00:40.28 | Buddha| | jnc - I've got 'deb ftp://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main |
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| 00:40.36 | flimp | i have samba setup with security=share and windows xp clients still ask for a password just to *list* the shares on the samba box... anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 00:40.50 | prjktdtnt | Buddha that is for marillat |
| 00:40.54 | prjktdtnt | good source |
| 00:40.59 | SerajewelKS | flimp: put in a blank username on XP |
| 00:41.10 | nixie | flimp: paste your smb.conf on http://pastebin.com |
| 00:41.18 | flimp | SerajewelKS: will it remember it or always ask? i think i may have just fixed it |
| 00:41.19 | Buddha| | prjktdtnt - I don't understand |
| 00:41.19 | jnc | Buddha|: yeah i was using testing before, but it was too new |
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| 00:41.39 | SerajewelKS | flimp: if it gets "access denied" i think it will ask again, unless you're browsing the contents of a share |
| 00:41.41 | prjktdtnt | Buddha|: That should be what you need |
| 00:41.53 | jnc | prjktdtnt: i doubt it has anything to do with marillat |
| 00:42.00 | jnc | unless i'm being ignorant |
| 00:42.01 | prjktdtnt | jnc: woops |
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| 00:42.23 | jade | how can i determine if my cpu supports EM64T, or AMD64 64-bit architecture? model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz, http://pastebin.ca/32899 |
| 00:42.28 | prjktdtnt | jnc: forgot that since AMD64 is unofficial its not hosted by debian themselves but more at mit |
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| 00:42.40 | peterS | jade: if you don't know whether or not you bought a 64-bit processor, you have *way* more money than I do |
| 00:42.46 | jnc | prjktdtnt: amd64 support is officially slated for Etch |
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| 00:42.53 | peterS | SerajewelKS: good luck on that coloring, #debian is +c |
| 00:42.58 | prjktdtnt | jnc: i run sid so...yea |
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| 00:43.07 | SerajewelKS | peterS: let's see +c filter caps lock! bwahahaha. |
| 00:43.14 | prjktdtnt | although I plan on going back to sarge cause i keep having issues with sid |
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| 00:43.59 | SerajewelKS | on a different note, if i wanted a small but powerful and easy-to-setup ircd, what would be a good choice? |
| 00:44.12 | prjktdtnt | How hard is it to backtrace to a lower/ more stable version of the distro EX: from sid to etch or etch to sarge? |
| 00:44.14 | jade | the server we are renting has Xeon processors, but i dont know if it supports 64-bit. is there a way to tell? |
| 00:44.24 | SerajewelKS | prjktdtnt: it's a royal pain |
| 00:44.28 | flimp | nixie, SerajewelKS: thanks guys. Im doing this remote (rdesktop, ssh) and I think i have it fixed. Ill come back if not. thanks again! |
| 00:44.32 | prjktdtnt | jade: is the processor itself a 64 bit |
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| 00:44.43 | peterS | prjktdtnt: it's not supported. you can do it if you grunt a bit, but some things could break and if they do nobody will care |
| 00:45.10 | prjktdtnt | peterS: Such as? I know I would lose most of my look&feel stuff |
| 00:45.15 | fas3r | anybody have create a mail server wwith dyndns ? |
| 00:45.26 | prjktdtnt | and have to RE-install 90% of my packages |
| 00:45.30 | jade | prjktdtnt, the invoice does not indicate 64 bit, only states 'Dual Xeon 2.4 GHz Processors' |
| 00:45.31 | peterS | prjktdtnt: configuration files would not downgrade themselves to the previous format, postgresql databases likewise, etc., etc. |
| 00:45.47 | SerajewelKS | would dancer-ircd be suitable as a standalone non-networked (e.g. a new IRC network for private use) server? |
| 00:45.50 | prjktdtnt | peterS: so basically purge everything and start from clean |
| 00:46.12 | prjktdtnt | jade: then it would probably be the i386 architecture still |
| 00:46.18 | peterS | prjktdtnt: that's obviously the simplest way. but it depends on how much local configuration and data you have to back up and restore, whether it's really convenient to do that |
| 00:46.29 | jnc | jade: jade i really wouldn't bother with 64-bit |
| 00:46.34 | jade | is there anything at the OS level that would tell me? |
| 00:46.36 | thingfish | jade: you should be able to look them up on Intel's website and get the specs. |
| 00:46.41 | SerajewelKS | are people generally ignoring me? that's like the fifth question i've asked and i'm still not seeing life. |
| 00:46.48 | jnc | intel's implementation of 64-bit operation is not exactly earth shattering |
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| 00:46.57 | peterS | jade: doesn't sound like a 64-bit machine, offhand, but I don't know what 64-bit xeons report themselves as |
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| 00:47.16 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: you know how it is: if you don't get answered, it means no one has an answer for you. |
| 00:47.16 | jade | OK |
| 00:47.37 | jnc | jade: the "stepping" and "cpu family" are important |
| 00:47.38 | prjktdtnt | xeons are i386 iirc |
| 00:47.55 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: I've played with it - should work fine, tiny bit of config for it to work as non-localhost |
| 00:47.55 | peterS | prjktdtnt: yes except the ones that are amd64 |
| 00:48.03 | jnc | intel does not distinguish between 64-bit capable xeon and non-64bit capable Xeon for good reason |
| 00:48.08 | jnc | it's nothing to write home about |
| 00:48.17 | thingfish | you get the numbers off the cpu and look it up. |
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| 00:48.35 | prjktdtnt | jnc: oh...so its not like amd k6 and k8 difference then? |
| 00:48.40 | curt | jnc, meld ~ http://meld.sourceforge.net/ work pretty good |
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| 00:48.51 | jnc | curt: oooOoh. |
| 00:48.53 | jnc | super awesome |
| 00:48.59 | jnc | !curt++ |
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| 00:49.05 | curt | hehe |
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| 00:49.23 | curt | how to recommend a package for debian? |
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| 00:49.38 | jnc | curt: it's in etch |
| 00:49.39 | jnc | btw |
| 00:49.40 | peterS | curt: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp - search for 'rfp' |
| 00:49.49 | curt | that would have been easy |
| 00:49.51 | HyperZid | anyone know about a program which can change metadata hidden inside media files?.. like .mpg .avi.. etc? |
| 00:49.57 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: i doubt that "what's a good irc server" has no answer |
| 00:50.02 | curt | I always do things the hard way |
| 00:50.22 | SerajewelKS | nixie: stop telling dpkg to talk to me, kthxbye |
| 00:50.25 | jnc | SerajewelKS: questions like "what's a good _____" are best ignored |
| 00:50.36 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 00:50.37 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:50.43 | nixie | lol serajewel |
| 00:50.45 | SerajewelKS | jnc: i defined what i mean by "best" |
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| 00:50.58 | SerajewelKS | nixie: lol what. you're bothering me. go away. |
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| 00:51.24 | nixie | SerajewelKS: if you so insist, i recommend ircd-hybrid |
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| 00:52.11 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: I don't recommend hybrid, unless its a single unpeered server, I've hit some weird bugs with the netjoin/netsplit code (from source) |
| 00:52.31 | phych0 | i used unrealircd when i used one |
| 00:52.37 | phych0 | most nets/netadmins i know use ptlink though |
| 00:52.45 | brett | is there an oooprelink script for openoffice 2 in unstable yet? |
| 00:53.02 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: it is a standalone. basically i need something that doesn't require a degree in IRC crap to set up, and has basic services. |
| 00:53.06 | nixie | possible, ive noticed some splits occasionally. only 2 servers for me so |
| 00:53.10 | jnc | oh. i forgot to ask, even. on a fileserver runing 'testing', i've noticed a change in the way apache2 configures along with the php mod |
| 00:53.13 | phych0 | you need to run services seperately |
| 00:53.14 | jnc | it stopped working |
| 00:53.17 | phych0 | and link them |
| 00:53.19 | jnc | did anyone else notice this? |
| 00:53.23 | prjktdtnt | how would I figure out if a LAN problem was hardware or software based? |
| 00:53.23 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: services - I can verfiy that the dancer services in woody work nicely if you follow the readme |
| 00:53.28 | jnc | i can't figure out from google searches what i've missed |
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| 00:53.36 | jnc | the python and other mods seem to install and work just fine |
| 00:53.46 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: I wouldn't touch the hybrid-services in sarge, security bugs etc. |
| 00:54.03 | nixie | use the source. with patches.:) |
| 00:54.19 | jade | jnc: stepping says, "9", cpu family is, "15" |
| 00:54.34 | nixie | anyway as you can see there is no one best ircd. |
| 00:54.37 | bbrazil | nixie: problem is that the netjoin doesn't sync properly, have hit it 6/7 times now |
| 00:54.38 | jade | cpu info : http://pastebin.ca/32899 |
| 00:54.47 | jnc | jade: toms should have a technical guide that lists data for you to corellate |
| 00:54.55 | jade | thanks |
| 00:55.03 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: hrm... the dancer docs are somewhat complicated =/ |
| 00:55.23 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: its one or two config lines to change, and then follow the services setup readme |
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| 00:55.52 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: what about the example O lines |
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| 00:56.33 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: well, those two. its been over a year since I touched dancer |
| 00:56.37 | bbrazil | *too |
| 00:56.56 | jnc | could someone guide me through an install of PHP on a testing debian box? i'm really not sure what to do, so i've purged every apache and php related package |
| 00:57.00 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: like any other service, you need to read over the config file |
| 00:57.01 | jnc | ready for a fresh start |
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| 00:57.24 | jnc | i'd like it to be apache2 with php (4 or 5, i don't care which) |
| 00:57.38 | jnc | i've tried this 4 times and haven't had success yet |
| 00:58.08 | prjktdtnt | jnc: gimmie a sec |
| 00:58.10 | jnc | thanks |
| 00:58.21 | prjktdtnt | jnc: i was just running that a week ago so...blah |
| 00:58.28 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: does dancer come with some util to generate md5 password hashes? |
| 00:58.33 | jnc | this is really confusing me, it's never been so difficult before |
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| 00:59.08 | SerajewelKS | jnc: apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:59.15 | prjktdtnt | apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:59.29 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: hmm, hybrid has mkpassswd (in some weird path) - check the readme |
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| 01:00.05 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: it's probably in a comment in the config file |
| 01:00.11 | jnc | okay it's grabbing packages and configuring |
| 01:00.15 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: i have mkpasswd on my system but it only does crypt |
| 01:00.25 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: or just use md5sum |
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| 01:00.34 | prjktdtnt | jnc: it will dump the config file a default doc root of /var/www |
| 01:00.37 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: md5sum doesn't generate password hashes |
| 01:00.39 | prjktdtnt | just fyi |
| 01:00.45 | jnc | prjktdtnt: correct |
| 01:00.46 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: md5 password hashes contain salt |
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| 01:01.06 | jnc | prjktdtnt: oh wow, it has php working |
| 01:01.22 | prjktdtnt | jnc: like i said i was running that same server not more than a week ago |
| 01:01.23 | jnc | i wonder why it didn't work when i was using aptitude to bring in packages after selecting apache2 |
| 01:01.35 | prjktdtnt | I wish lighttpd was this easy |
| 01:01.37 | jnc | that's what i did the previous 4 times |
| 01:01.42 | prjktdtnt | aptitude = crap |
| 01:01.45 | jnc | okay |
| 01:01.54 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: read the docs, they should tell you |
| 01:02.04 | jnc | that is so strange. oh, well thanks for the time |
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| 01:02.07 | prjktdtnt | apt-cache, apt-get and dpkg...your 3 best friends |
| 01:02.11 | jnc | !prjktdtnt++ |
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| 01:02.20 | prjktdtnt | jnc: no prob |
| 01:02.23 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: the docs say it's an MD5 password hash |
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| 01:02.42 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: then just use md5sum, I vaguely remember doing that |
| 01:02.42 | nixie | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/453369 does md5 passwords. thats from my hybrid source. |
| 01:02.54 | Azar | prjktdtnt, do you even know what is aptitude used for? |
| 01:02.56 | prjktdtnt | jnc: be forewarned that prefork will take up some memory chunks though |
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| 01:03.12 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: as i said, an md5 hash is not an md5 password hash |
| 01:03.16 | jnc | that's okay, i guess. it is for a home computer LAN |
| 01:03.19 | prjktdtnt | Azar: yes...i do and when I learned how to properly apt-get I dumped aptitude |
| 01:03.41 | prjktdtnt | jnc: if you're not running a GUI on there all the time it wont matter ;) |
| 01:03.48 | jnc | exactly |
| 01:03.54 | jnc | i even have that one rack mounted |
| 01:04.10 | prjktdtnt | jnc: nice |
| 01:04.13 | Azar | .... oh well |
| 01:04.32 | jnc | it is way too loud =) |
| 01:04.38 | prjktdtnt | Azar: last time I used aptitude it was immediately followed by a re-install cause it screwed everything up |
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| 01:04.48 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: it's the default format of passwords in /etc/shadow |
| 01:05.05 | Azar | prjktdtnt because all your package dependencies were screwed up |
| 01:05.28 | Azar | want to wrestle with dependencies? up to you |
| 01:05.30 | prjktdtnt | Azar: exactly...therefore I don't trust aptitude or the other majorly used one... |
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| 01:05.50 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: try makepasswd |
| 01:06.01 | Azar | aptitude found a mess in your system that why it rebeled |
| 01:06.22 | Azar | if you download crap without having dependencies checked thats what you get |
| 01:06.26 | prjktdtnt | Azar: brand new install it didn't like what i tried to install all at once and messed up |
| 01:06.50 | Azar | ofcourse, you cannot install crap that does not harmonize with legit system packages |
| 01:06.51 | wang-x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1240 <-------------------------someone who knows something about perl please check that out, I don't know why but since I tried installing a perl script for xchat i get this |
| 01:06.56 | jade | is file /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp generated at bootup if uname -a is "Linux server 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Thu May 19 17:27:55 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux" |
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| 01:07.00 | jade | ? |
| 01:07.17 | jnc | no |
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| 01:07.20 | Azar | one day or another you will meet mr re-install want it or not |
| 01:07.26 | bbrazil | jade: assuming a .deb kernel, its installed when you installed the .deb |
| 01:07.27 | peterS | jade: not at bootup, it's shipped with the smp kernel package in question |
| 01:07.29 | jnc | jade: that config file is installed as part of the debian package which contains your kernel |
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| 01:07.31 | prjktdtnt | Azar: basically it said that if i wanted to install this it had to kill other packages but i couldn't because they were more important. Basically I like the way apt-get does things better |
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| 01:07.38 | jnc | jade: it is included for your reference |
| 01:07.45 | jade | oh. |
| 01:07.49 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: yeah that's it, thanks |
| 01:08.06 | bbrazil | jade: /proc/config.gz is however generated on the fly |
| 01:08.07 | prjktdtnt | Azar: I have been planning a reinstall for awhile now cause I used this as an experiment and its starting to look like frankenstein |
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| 01:08.33 | Azar | prjktdtnt, to sum it up you are installing packages indiscriminately wheter they are ment for your distro or not. One day it will come back at you , that day don't swear at Debian |
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| 01:09.04 | fpitt_ | night! |
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| 01:09.20 | prjktdtnt | Azar: not that bad I use ones for my dist but I have so many things installed that 90% collects digital-dust that I would like to clean it completely out and start fresh |
| 01:09.34 | prjktdtnt | Azar: and build another POS system for experimentation |
| 01:09.34 | jnc | apache question, is there a tool preferred to be used when enabling/disabling sites for apache2? |
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| 01:09.54 | peterS | jnc: a2ensite |
| 01:10.00 | peterS | and a2dissite |
| 01:10.03 | Azar | prjktdtnt, not a problem I have 58 reinstalls , that is how I learned. |
| 01:10.13 | wang-x | can anyone help me please |
| 01:10.39 | prjktdtnt | Azar: ok not as bad yet. I am at 10 (including the origional installs between the two debian systems I have had |
| 01:11.10 | Azar | wang-x, state your question |
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| 01:11.28 | wang-x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1240 <-------------------------someone who knows something about perl please check that out, I don't know why but since I tried installing a perl script for xchat i get this |
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| 01:13.02 | prjktdtnt | wang-x: has it posed a problem with the said package that was installed? |
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| 01:13.17 | Azar | prjktdtnt, just for you to remember, aptitude manages the most important system installations, kernel upgrades, etc. It is the most useful in assuring the system packages are synchronized and dependencies are met. That is the FIRST package I install after a fresh install. Apt-get is used for smaller, non-important downloads/installs. Aptitude update and aptitude upgrade is that I most use. |
| 01:13.21 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: is there a code for the O line that specifies "all user modes?" |
| 01:13.27 | peterS | wang-x: that's unrelated to xchat, it's about your LANG variable. type 'locale -a' to see the valid values for this. |
| 01:13.29 | wang-x | prjktdtnt: i was unable to install it and all other perl scripts from xchat.org |
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| 01:13.50 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: just add in all the flags |
| 01:13.59 | jade | if i am running 3 terms, and see 4 tty's active, does that imply there's an extra remote session active? |
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| 01:14.09 | wang-x | peters: it's not unrelated, it didn't happen until I tried installing a few perl scripts from xchat.org, i'm not saying it's culpable of the problem, but it's definatley related. |
| 01:14.11 | jade | (trying to determine if my system was compromised) |
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| 01:14.20 | peterS | jade: sometimes it means you're logged in to X and are running an xterm along with your three text terminals |
| 01:14.37 | jade | OK good, thanks. |
| 01:14.43 | Lilldude10 | gforce 2 card cant get pic on screen tried vesa and nvida nevor worked |
| 01:14.46 | funkyHat | are people still getting trouble with the UK repositories? |
| 01:14.59 | prjktdtnt | wang-x: it has to do with the locale and I used to have the same error after a perl upgrade but i dont remember how it was fixed |
| 01:15.00 | peterS | wang-x: I don't see how that could cause that, unless the script in question massages your LANG variable in your login files, or something |
| 01:15.03 | JohnFlux | funkyHat: I am |
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| 01:15.26 | phych0 | funkyhat - iam also |
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| 01:15.33 | wang-x | peterS: probably from the way I tried to run it, i'm relatively new to linux. |
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| 01:15.42 | wang-x | and perl for that matter |
| 01:15.42 | phych0 | ftp.uk.debian.org is down |
| 01:15.44 | phych0 | or appears to be |
| 01:15.45 | Azar | Lildude10 you need to install nvidia driver, then work with a imaging software to get your pics |
| 01:15.58 | wang-x | the packages in stall ok when i apt-get, but it's just ugly seeing those errors. |
| 01:16.05 | wang-x | install |
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| 01:16.16 | Lilldude10 | nvidia wont load drivers |
| 01:16.20 | prjktdtnt | wang-x - most text-based errors aren't pretty |
| 01:16.32 | funkyHat | phych0, yeah, that's on my list, I've got mirror.ox.ac.uk as well but I don't know... will it time out and then try that if I leave it? |
| 01:16.37 | Azar | Lildude10 you need to install nvidia the debian way |
| 01:16.45 | peterS | wang-x: well, a very simple way to check that your locale settings are kosher: 'perl -e42'. so anyway, check your ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile to see if anything added a line to them about LANG |
| 01:16.49 | Lilldude10 | i guess so |
| 01:16.50 | Azar | !nvidia one liner |
| 01:16.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:16.51 | wang-x | prjktdtnt: i have to run for a bit, if you can remember what you did to repair the problem do you mind emailing me? |
| 01:17.03 | Azar | LIldude10 read dpkg line and apply it |
| 01:17.07 | peterS | wang-x: and maybe check /etc/environment for same. once you figure out what is setting your LANG variable, disable it |
| 01:17.18 | Lilldude10 | thanks |
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| 01:17.21 | funkyHat | wow. that's a hell of a one liner |
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| 01:17.28 | Lilldude10 | is ati better to set up then |
| 01:17.32 | prjktdtnt | wang-x I actually didnt do anything but looks like peterS has a good idea of it |
| 01:17.41 | Azar | Likdude10 that line fixes fast |
| 01:17.43 | Azar | use it |
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| 01:18.32 | Lilldude10 | ok il try that |
| 01:18.45 | Boukensya | hey guys, I am having trouble with my softRaid and would like assistance if anyone is good with it |
| 01:19.01 | Azar | Lildude10 you will type only this at command line: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 01:19.02 | Boukensya | I just finished the debian setup with softraiding the second hdd |
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| 01:19.13 | Azar | as one long line |
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| 01:19.40 | flimp | okay, im still having issues with winxp asking for a password to list share on a samba server with security=share, config: http://pastebin.com/453401 |
| 01:19.50 | Boukensya | so I did a test to see if the fallback works, so first I unplugged the 2nd hdd. No worries there, but when I unplugged the first hdd wanting to fall back on the second it didn't work (crashed system) |
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| 01:23.51 | Durin | flimp: have you tried "map to guest = Bad User" in your smb.conf? |
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| 01:25.00 | Lilldude10 | is there nvida room |
| 01:25.06 | gravity | Lilldude10: Yes |
| 01:25.21 | gravity | (and it's channel, btw, not room) |
| 01:25.23 | flimp | Durin: ill try it, i thought it didnt matter with security=user, per the man page |
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| 01:25.29 | Lilldude10 | whats its called |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | #nvidia ? |
| 01:25.54 | gravity | That would be the obvious answer, wouldn't it |
| 01:26.09 | abrotman | gravity: could you tell me the channel for suse? |
| 01:26.20 | gravity | abrotman: #ubuntu |
| 01:26.33 | jcurry | lol |
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| 01:26.40 | thc | ah. so that's why the ubuntu users join #debian. |
| 01:26.47 | gravity | They're looking for suse? |
| 01:26.52 | thc | indeed. |
| 01:26.53 | Lilldude10 | no one on that channel |
| 01:27.01 | thc | #list #nvidia |
| 01:27.04 | thc | err |
| 01:27.06 | thc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.12 | thc | if not try ##nvidia |
| 01:27.16 | Azar | Lildude if you use unbutu you can't find answers here... |
| 01:27.16 | Kerr | for some reason i can't kill this as root : root 26212 0.0 0.2 2064 732 ? D 01:10 0:00 /bin/mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 01:27.33 | thc | i see 69 users in #nvidia |
| 01:27.35 | gravity | There's 70 freakin' people in #nvidia |
| 01:27.36 | bbrazil | Kerr: it's probably stuck in kernel mode |
| 01:27.44 | gravity | #xorg refers people to that chan too |
| 01:27.59 | Kerr | bbrazil: any idea how i can kill it? |
| 01:27.59 | Duelist | I remember having a problem similar to that in FreeBSD |
| 01:27.59 | bbrazil | Kerr: (assuing it isn't a zombie, in which case kill its parent) |
| 01:28.09 | jcurry | uh, there are a lot of people in #nvidia |
| 01:28.14 | Lilldude10 | got it |
| 01:28.28 | bbrazil | Kerr: if its in stuck in kernel mode your two options are prayer and a reboot |
| 01:28.29 | Azar | they make so much fuss and advertise ubuntu but they can't provide assistance in the irc .. |
| 01:28.33 | thc | yes, we've already established that there are users there. twice. |
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| 01:28.40 | abrotman | users where?! |
| 01:28.41 | bbrazil | Kerr: check dmesg output - might give you a clue |
| 01:28.46 | thc | abrotman: in #openbsd |
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| 01:29.52 | Kerr | bbrazil: lots and lots of hdd: status error: status=0x41 { DriveReady Error } |
| 01:29.52 | Kerr | hdd: status error: error=0x00 |
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| 01:30.03 | bbrazil | Kerr: suspected that - you should be able to wait it out |
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| 01:30.20 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: what umode is required to set cmode +j? |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | or all your data is currently going to the toilet |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | !fn faq |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:30.42 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: been a while, doesn't that require +a? |
| 01:30.46 | Kerr | bbrazil: this happens a lot if my dvd writer has a slave drive (it has a slave dvd drive at the moment) .. maybe the ide cable is damaged? |
| 01:30.59 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: +a is auspex |
| 01:31.02 | bbrazil | Kerr: could be |
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| 01:31.18 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: +a is admin, a level above +o |
| 01:31.37 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: ... the cmode says i only need "network operator" status |
| 01:31.38 | fevel | My system has no sound |
| 01:31.49 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: note that I'm working off mostly hybrid knowledge |
| 01:31.49 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: i am +a anyway |
| 01:32.01 | mcm | while building a new kernel (2.6.14.2 with make-kpkg) i get the following error: "install: cannot stat `conf.vars': No such file or directory". any ideas how can i fix it? |
| 01:32.01 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: +a just lets me see IPs of people |
| 01:32.02 | fevel | is there a way I could make ssound work? |
| 01:32.09 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: the /mode +j doesn't even leave an error |
| 01:32.13 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: it just ignores it |
| 01:32.14 | thc | fevel: uname -r |
| 01:32.17 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: it gives you some other stuff too |
| 01:32.49 | fevel | thc: that just told me my kernel |
| 01:32.49 | bbrazil | Kerr: could well be, there's something about different ide cables |
| 01:32.51 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: oh oops |
| 01:32.54 | abrotman | fevel: now tell him |
| 01:33.04 | fevel | thc: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 01:33.06 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: irssi decided to reconnect one of my earlier failed attempts |
| 01:33.20 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: /rmreconns is handy |
| 01:33.31 | thc | fevel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf && alsamixer |
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| 01:33.48 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: yeah.. don't need to now.. can just /disconnect the ghosts |
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| 01:33.55 | everton137 | Hi, Im trynig to mount a USB mobile, but when I plug it, /dev/sdaX isnt created. Does someone can help me, please? |
| 01:33.56 | fbhjr | does alsa work with quake2 yet? |
| 01:34.13 | fbhjr | or vice versa |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | bob2_: have you been hiding from us ? |
| 01:34.20 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: hrm, mode +P is telling me "you're no deity" |
| 01:34.23 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: but i did /oper! |
| 01:34.28 | fevel | thc: xmms has sound though, so does mplayer. Only the systems sound appears to be off, should I proceed? |
| 01:34.29 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: and i'm still +o |
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| 01:34.38 | Kerr | i used ubuntu for three weeks... nothing seemed to work, at all. I had to install with the us localle too as uk english crashed pretty early on.. had to manaually fix a whole bunch of core package dependancies... had to add multiple unofficial repos to get basic stuff like xine :-/ nightmare ~.~ and it defaulted to a super-high resolution that was grainy due to the strain on my gfx card ~.~ |
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| 01:34.42 | SerajewelKS | or is deity mode +p? |
| 01:34.43 | thc | fevel: then don't come in here saying "sound doesn't work" |
| 01:34.50 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: you probably need additional umodes, I remember having fun with that |
| 01:34.58 | Kerr | i wonder if that's normal, or something to do with ordering the cd before 5.10 was released |
| 01:35.01 | Kerr | :-/ |
| 01:35.08 | azeem | Kerr: hard to tell |
| 01:35.08 | Azar | Kerr use Debian |
| 01:35.12 | thc | fevel: depending on what system sounds you mean, you need to check the settings in the control panel for whatever desktop environment. |
| 01:35.22 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: probably needs tweaking on the O line. anyway I'm going to bed now |
| 01:35.23 | Kerr | Azar: i installed ubuntu so i could jigdo a sarge dvd |
| 01:35.27 | fevel | thc: gnome |
| 01:35.28 | azeem | Kerr: if you can isolate specific issues, file them in their bug tracker |
| 01:35.35 | azeem | Kerr: or ask in#ubuntu |
| 01:35.43 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: yup i needed +p |
| 01:35.44 | thc | fevel: i don't run gnome. look in gnome's settings. |
| 01:35.50 | fbhjr | I jigdo'ed a woody cd from slack |
| 01:35.56 | fevel | thc: thanks |
| 01:35.58 | Kerr | i was told 'yeah, nothing works great' |
| 01:35.58 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: weird how /oper says i'm a deity, but i'm not until i /umode +p |
| 01:35.59 | Kerr | lol |
| 01:36.01 | diverge | what does jigdo mean |
| 01:36.02 | Kerr | and that's about it |
| 01:36.09 | azeem | !jigdo |
| 01:36.09 | dpkg | well, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 01:36.11 | findme | Kerr, best option remove ubuntu go with debian. |
| 01:36.11 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: different levels of oper |
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| 01:36.12 | Kerr | jigsaw download i think |
| 01:36.17 | Kerr | ... |
| 01:36.23 | azeem | Kerr: yes |
| 01:36.25 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: yeah but if /oper says i'm a deity, i expect to be one =) |
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| 01:36.33 | Kerr | /lastlog Kerr |
| 01:37.16 | jnc | what is '/oper/ |
| 01:37.18 | jnc | hmm |
| 01:37.24 | Kerr | i had it for three weeks, my etch system decided to heinously die after a brownout, or at leasty many core libraries did. only cd i had handy was ubuntu; so i installed it to download debian.. |
| 01:37.29 | bbrazil | jnc: IRC network operator |
| 01:37.33 | Kerr | jnc: oper = irc operator. |
| 01:37.47 | jnc | i've never tried doing that before |
| 01:37.54 | jnc | it's sort of a miserable job isn't it? |
| 01:37.59 | gravity | heh |
| 01:38.09 | Kerr | ircopping is fun |
| 01:38.18 | Kerr | or rather, playing with /msg operserv raw |
| 01:38.20 | Kerr | is fun |
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| 01:38.43 | bbrazil | Kerr: I hope that isn't on a production network |
| 01:38.51 | Kerr | you can colourfy nicks, make the services bots talk, force nick changes, joins, etc. |
| 01:39.12 | Azar | I doubt ubuntu would work as a server on a production network |
| 01:39.18 | bbrazil | Kerr: force nick changes? doesn't that require irc server support? |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | Azar: FSVO work |
| 01:39.28 | Kerr | ? |
| 01:39.40 | Kerr | bbrazil: talking about how being an ircop is not miserable |
| 01:39.44 | abrotman | why wouldn't you offer arbitration to Myers damn it |
| 01:39.51 | Azar | abrotman, really? wow, I thought it is some quicky desktop for those moving away from mswindows |
| 01:39.58 | Kerr | /msg operserv raw svsnick bbrazil billgates :0 |
| 01:40.03 | Kerr | kinda thing |
| 01:40.04 | Kerr | O.o |
| 01:40.16 | bbrazil | Kerr: ah, excuse me, I'm about to get into an argument about op in another channel on /msg :) |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | Azar: i didn't say i would use it .. but you wouldn't be the first to use it |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | yay . all the ops bail at once :) |
| 01:40.33 | Kerr | O.o |
| 01:40.58 | Azar | maybe he is sick |
| 01:41.06 | Azar | ..bob2 I ment |
| 01:41.34 | abrotman | i mean come on .. Myers is actually a decent guy . but nnoooooo we don't need stinking relievers |
| 01:42.24 | Azar | I am impressed, I have had no idea about such dedication |
| 01:42.42 | xevious | is there a virtual package for installing kde? |
| 01:42.47 | Kerr | bbrazil: anyhow, an oper isn't an irc network operator; an irc network operatos is an irc operator with access high enough to control all the servers on the network... misinformaton is baddd |
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| 01:42.53 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 01:42.53 | dpkg | from memory, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 01:43.05 | abrotman | xevious: ^^ |
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| 01:43.13 | xevious | thanks :) |
| 01:44.19 | Kerr | is there such thing as a linux distro that Just Works (tm) ? |
| 01:44.56 | peterS | Kerr: that's a subjective thing. I think debian does, some people don't. knoppix might be as close as you'll get |
| 01:45.02 | jnc | kerr: ubnutu 5.10 |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | Kerr: Debian |
| 01:45.16 | litage | how can you determine if a CD-R or DVD+R has is blank (ie: hasn't yet been written to)? |
| 01:45.18 | AutOPSY | Is SWAT in the same package as Samba? |
| 01:45.27 | abrotman | no |
| 01:45.35 | peterS | AutOPSY: same source package, but it has its own separate binary package 'swat' |
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| 01:45.41 | jnc | though if you want to do anything crazy with it... |
| 01:45.46 | Kerr | jnc: are you kdding, or recovering from labotomising yourself with a powerdrill? |
| 01:45.49 | AutOPSY | peterS, yeah, thanks. |
| 01:46.02 | gravity | Wow, that was one of the weirdest crashes I've had in a while |
| 01:46.09 | jnc | Kerr: what do you mean? |
| 01:46.11 | abrotman | gravity: i blame xorg |
| 01:46.19 | jnc | Kerr: Ubuntu 5.10 "just works" |
| 01:46.19 | gravity | abrotman: Me too |
| 01:46.21 | peterS | abrotman: no, you should blame xorg's debian packager |
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| 01:46.33 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. good point . let's blame the DPL too! |
| 01:46.43 | abrotman | shit rolls uphill with debian! |
| 01:46.48 | Kerr | jnc: is that why it wouldn't install in anything but us english, and couldn't figure out it's own core dependancies :-/ ? |
| 01:47.03 | jnc | you're talking crazy |
| 01:47.11 | azeem | Kerr: you should tell that to their bug tracker, really |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | gravity: were you trying Fenio's warzone packages? |
| 01:47.16 | peterS | Kerr: clearly you have a very demanding meaning of 'just works' then (: |
| 01:47.19 | jnc | give Ubuntu to joe average, and it works fine |
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| 01:47.30 | gravity | Kerr: This is the kind of thing to take to #ubuntu, not #debian |
| 01:47.33 | peterS | Kerr: core dependencies, shmore dependencies. |
| 01:47.47 | peterS | gravity: well he's asking what *does* just work, if ubuntu doesn't (for him) |
| 01:47.59 | jnc | it's like that guy who was pissed because windows isn't the most descriptive when configuring network settings |
| 01:48.02 | gravity | peterS: It sounds like bitching from here |
| 01:48.06 | jnc | like who cares, it's an OS, get over it. |
| 01:48.07 | Kerr | peterS: i wish i hadn't atomised my ubuntu install, i could show the irclogs of trying to talk in #ubuntu |
| 01:48.08 | jnc | :) |
| 01:48.11 | xevious | is digikam in apt? |
| 01:48.16 | gravity | Asking about Debian is fine, complaining about ubuntu isn't |
| 01:48.27 | peterS | gravity: well that too, but he's responding to someone who claimed that ubuntu is the one that just works |
| 01:48.27 | dondelelcaro | !+info digikam |
| 01:48.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:48.34 | dpkg | digikam: (digital photo management application for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.0-1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2407 kB, Installed size: 6836 kB |
| 01:48.38 | Kerr | gravity: read my origional question :-/ |
| 01:48.50 | Kerr | and what i posted just above it.. |
| 01:48.52 | peterS | Kerr: he wasn't here for it |
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| 01:48.59 | Kerr | ah. |
| 01:48.59 | Azar | Kerr one strong reason to install Debian: you can get decent advice here ... about Debian. |
| 01:49.01 | gravity | Kerr: I did, but you've drifted. The cast majority of what you said is about Ubuntu, not Debian |
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| 01:49.08 | gravity | s/cast/vast/ |
| 01:49.12 | dondelelcaro | avast! |
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| 01:49.16 | gravity | dondelelcaro: ARRRRR |
| 01:49.20 | gravity | ginine |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | gravity: i think xorg broke your keyboard too! |
| 01:49.33 | xevious | huh |
| 01:49.37 | xevious | it's not in aptitude |
| 01:49.42 | xevious | (digikam) |
| 01:49.44 | xevious | (etch) |
| 01:49.50 | Kerr | most of the time Debian 'just works' for me, exept for when it gets eaten alive by the trainstation nextdoor turning their lights on and browning out the grid ~.~ |
| 01:49.55 | dondelelcaro | xevious: it has been removed from etch because it was holding up transitions. |
| 01:50.01 | gravity | xevious: A lot of KDE stuff has been removed from etch lately |
| 01:50.03 | dondelelcaro | xevious: see packages.debian.org/digikam |
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| 01:50.09 | xevious | thanks |
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| 01:50.19 | dondelelcaro | !tell xevious -about why is digikam not in testing |
| 01:50.22 | abrotman | xevious: all kinds of kde krap isn't etch right now .. C++ ABI still going on! |
| 01:50.29 | gravity | KDE + GCC make a wacky team |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | gravity: oscar and felix ? |
| 01:50.41 | dondelelcaro | wacko. wacko. |
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| 01:50.48 | xevious | thanks |
| 01:50.48 | xzgv | is it possible to change in xorg.conf the video card color depth from 16 to 15 by hand? |
| 01:50.52 | gravity | I miss wacko warner |
| 01:51.01 | xevious | unfortunately my mom is used to kde |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | gravity: i was looking for DVDs of that the other day |
| 01:51.04 | Coweater | xzgv: yes |
| 01:51.07 | Azar | Kerr get an ups battery, thats what I use for such situations |
| 01:51.10 | dondelelcaro | xzgv: /usr/bin/sensible-editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:51.23 | gravity | abrotman: Any luck? |
| 01:51.26 | xzgv | Coweater, thx bud |
| 01:51.28 | abrotman | gravity: of course not ... |
| 01:51.29 | xevious | i prefer xfce, but she installed kde and got used to how it's laid out |
| 01:51.30 | gravity | heh |
| 01:51.34 | Kerr | Azar: living on dry noodles O.O ups is a pipe dream at the moment. |
| 01:51.35 | xevious | thanks for your help |
| 01:51.45 | abrotman | xzgv: and /msg dpkg xmd5sum |
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| 01:51.56 | dondelelcaro | xevious: well, if you need digikam specifically, you can probably grab the source from unstable, and build it against testing for the time being. |
| 01:52.20 | dondelelcaro | xevious: otherwise, you'll have to wait for it to propogate (see what dpkg told you for details) |
| 01:52.34 | xevious | will do |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | or use f-spot! |
| 01:52.44 | xevious | f-spot? |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | or gphoto actually |
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| 01:52.55 | xevious | no gnome for this system |
| 01:52.56 | gravity | f-spot is really hot |
| 01:52.58 | dondelelcaro | gphoto2 for the win. |
| 01:53.02 | xevious | just base install + kde |
| 01:53.06 | xevious | and firefox |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | xevious: f-spot is a mono app |
| 01:53.09 | xevious | and openoffice |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | and quite nice actually |
| 01:53.20 | xevious | i'll inspect |
| 01:53.23 | xevious | thanks for the tip |
| 01:53.24 | dondelelcaro | xevious: the g in g photo doesn't mean GNOME. |
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| 01:53.30 | abrotman | i meants GTK! |
| 01:53.32 | xzgv | abrotman, wouldn't it be different with xorg.conf? |
| 01:53.40 | xevious | alrighty |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | gravity: is the md5 thingie gone now ? |
| 01:53.49 | dondelelcaro | !depends gphoto2 |
| 01:53.50 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 01:53.52 | dpkg | gphoto2: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libcdk4, libexif12, libgphoto2-2 (>= 2.1.6-1), libgphoto2-port0 (>= 2.1.6-1), libjpeg62, libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), libreadline4 (>= 4.3-1) |
| 01:53.52 | xevious | i'm off to play pool and get drrrunk |
| 01:53.55 | abrotman | gravity: etch and sid ? |
| 01:53.57 | gravity | Not in xfree86 |
| 01:53.59 | gravity | abrotman: Right |
| 01:54.01 | xevious | byebye |
| 01:54.07 | abrotman | xzgv: then ignore the md5 thingie |
| 01:54.21 | xzgv | abrotman, okeedokee |
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| 01:54.54 | Lilldude10 | who asked if i used ubuntu? its debian sarge on they box |
| 01:55.02 | Kerr | geh, still can't kill mount. |
| 01:55.04 | Caelum | anyone know where to get the command git-checkout-cache? I checked p.d.o, nothing there |
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| 01:55.14 | Caelum | Kerr: try umount -f? |
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| 01:55.26 | Azar | what version of Debian are you using Lildude10 ? |
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| 01:55.57 | Lilldude10 | sarge |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | Caelum: there's a git package |
| 01:56.05 | beoba | :R |
| 01:56.06 | Azar | sarge what number? |
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| 01:56.41 | Lilldude10 | 3.1 |
| 01:57.00 | Lilldude10 | 550 intell 512 ram 20 gigs hd |
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| 01:57.19 | Azar | so Lildude10 you still have nvidia issues? |
| 01:57.20 | Caelum | abrotman: what's the difference between git and cogito + git-core? they seem to be incompatible |
| 01:57.28 | abrotman | Caelum: oh .. are they ? |
| 01:57.35 | gravity | The git stuff is a mystery to me too |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | !info git etch |
| 01:57.43 | Lilldude10 | yeah sarge dont like gforce 2 pci 64 meg he wants agp |
| 01:57.44 | dpkg | git: (GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.3.20-7 (etch), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 919 kB |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | that's not it |
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| 01:58.20 | abrotman | Caelum: the package 'git' is not what you want .. apparently |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | !info cogito |
| 01:58.25 | Lilldude10 | working on my nvida |
| 01:58.25 | dpkg | cogito: (version control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.16.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 756 kB |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | !info git-core |
| 01:58.29 | dpkg | git-core: (stupid content tracker), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.99.9k-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1483 kB, Installed size: 3628 kB |
| 01:58.39 | Azar | Lildude10 nvidia is better than ati on sarge. All you need is to exit X windows, get a su, and apply the nvidia one liner I showed you before, at command line. |
| 01:58.45 | Caelum | hrm, I don't have git-checkout-cache but I have git-checkout, should do about the same thing I guess :) |
| 01:59.05 | abrotman | Caelum: check the man page! |
| 01:59.10 | Kerr | Caelum: umount /dev/cdrom0 -f returns invalid argument. and that the drive isn't mounted (it's actually ejected) |
| 01:59.40 | Lilldude10 | right azar |
| 02:00.11 | Lilldude10 | i maybe ask gf to stick one under tree |
| 02:00.18 | Lilldude10 | mine maybe to oldie |
| 02:00.25 | Caelum | the git stuff let's developers do all sorts of amazing crazy things from what I hear, can't be worse than cvs :) |
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| 02:00.46 | gravity | Caelum: Are you going to be hacking on the kernel or do you just want to try alternative revision control systems? |
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| 02:01.48 | Caelum | gravity: I'd love to do some stuff with the kernel someday, but right now I'm just checking out a devel tree for the ipw developers since the ipw2200 driver in the latest kernel doesn't work for me, but that tree does |
| 02:01.49 | Azar | Lildude10 maybe you need to search and read about how to upgrade nvidia http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt << it applies to older Debian version but read as a general context |
| 02:01.57 | Lilldude10 | azarnwhat card u run? |
| 02:02.05 | gravity | Caelum: Ah, ok. So you specifically need git then |
| 02:02.19 | Azar | Lilldude10, Nvidia GeForce2 MX/MX 400 |
| 02:02.28 | Azar | pretty old but good |
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| 02:02.59 | Caelum | gravity: I'd love to work on the power management and smbus stuff... |
| 02:03.07 | gravity | Caelum: Cool |
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| 02:03.32 | fishdish | guys |
| 02:03.42 | Kerr | old hardware rocks. It's fun watching people try and convince you to waste cash on upgrades you don't need, especialy when they end up donating stuff. |
| 02:04.07 | fishdish | what's the biggest difference between Debian and HP-UX (and don't tell me "it's the kernel") |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | !rosetta |
| 02:04.19 | dpkg | well, rosetta is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
| 02:04.22 | fishdish | i'm trying to install CATIA v5 on a Debian box |
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| 02:04.29 | Kerr | fishdish: one is spelt with a D, the other with a H :) |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | fishdish: do you have errors for us ? |
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| 02:04.47 | abrotman | this is when we need greycat to laugh at fishdish :) |
| 02:04.47 | fishdish | no not yet |
| 02:04.47 | Lilldude10 | azar cool |
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| 02:04.52 | MrEntropy | yo |
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| 02:04.57 | Lilldude10 | azar 64 meg? |
| 02:04.58 | fishdish | the X seems to be of different build though |
| 02:05.29 | fishdish | see, Catia is officially only under HP-UX and Windows XP/Vista |
| 02:05.30 | gravity | I think HP-UX had their own speshul X server |
| 02:05.35 | MrEntropy | where can i get the "j2re1.4" and "java2-runtime" packages? |
| 02:05.40 | fishdish | yeah, it's giving me headache |
| 02:05.48 | gravity | It's all based off the same sample implementation though, which is what's in Debian |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | !tell MrEntropy about install java |
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| 02:06.02 | Azar | Lilldude10, no the regular 32 |
| 02:06.07 | gravity | My experience with HP-UX is 0 though |
| 02:06.16 | Lilldude10 | azar ajp |
| 02:06.21 | fishdish | so i'm going to spend until sunrise configuring X .... |
| 02:06.24 | Azar | ahh no Lilldude10, 128meg |
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| 02:06.37 | Azar | I thought you ask about 64bit stuff |
| 02:06.39 | gravity | fishdish: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:06.43 | fishdish | i know |
| 02:06.52 | gravity | What's the problem? |
| 02:06.55 | Lilldude10 | mine is oldie 32 bit |
| 02:06.59 | fishdish | i tried, now doing "vim work" |
| 02:07.13 | gravity | heh, fun. If you want help, I can help a little bit |
| 02:07.25 | Azar | Lilldude10 mine is as well oldie 32bit with 128MB ram |
| 02:07.47 | Azar | Lilldude10, if you are scared of command line say so |
| 02:08.10 | Lilldude10 | geeze mine is atleast 512 550 thought it was oldie |
| 02:08.14 | Azar | what exactly do you need with nvidia? |
| 02:08.19 | Lilldude10 | defeantly camand line scared |
| 02:08.27 | Lilldude10 | azar i gan give more ram |
| 02:08.29 | Caelum | HP-UX is otherwise known as PHUX |
| 02:08.53 | tilrman | aka hp-sux |
| 02:08.55 | Fluten | whenever i install packages, apt says "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | Fluten: read the topic |
| 02:09.09 | fishdish | gravity: ina nutshell: the next computer here in this room is a Tyan VX 50, a 8X Opteron server, which now has Debian Sarge onnit, and now i'm trying to fit it with CATIA v5 just to try out if Linux could make a CAD workstation with a really powerful array of software (not just the Blender) |
| 02:09.19 | Azar | hm ok you need to EXIT X Windows and you will see a command line prompt. apply that one line apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
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| 02:09.42 | Azar | you need to issue a su command first and enter the root password, then apply the line |
| 02:10.11 | Lilldude10 | i know how to use command line |
| 02:10.25 | gravity | fishdish: What's the problem you're having with X? |
| 02:10.40 | Azar | Lilldude10, that line will install and configure your nvidia update driver |
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| 02:11.27 | Fluten | abrotman, do i look in the faq? i did a search and i cant find it there |
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| 02:11.57 | fishdish | gravity: the thingie about Catia though is that it's designed to work with the default configuration of HP-UX and i've never seen a HP-UX before, jsut reading the docs i stole form Gnutella... and the piece of crap Catia is not starting at all cos the X is configured the wrong way |
| 02:11.58 | abrotman | Fluten: the topic :) |
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| 02:12.13 | gravity | fishdish: Does X start? |
| 02:12.26 | gravity | fishdish: Also, what does this Catia thing require? |
| 02:12.40 | fishdish | X starts, but Catia is not supposed to start before X so... ;-) |
| 02:12.50 | Boukensya | hey guys, was raidtools replaced with something else? |
| 02:12.53 | gravity | fishdish: So why can't you start Catia in X? |
| 02:12.54 | Caelum | this tag thingy is cool |
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| 02:13.02 | fishdish | it's a HP-UX software, it's not supposed to run under Linux at all |
| 02:13.22 | Lilldude10 | using comand is fun |
| 02:13.32 | Caelum | there used to be something that let you run solaris-86 software on linux |
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| 02:13.59 | Caelum | but...I doubt there's anything that will let you run HP-UX software, unless you recompile it |
| 02:14.07 | Azar | Caleum, alias? |
| 02:14.10 | fishdish | when i try to start the binaries in command line, it throws that X is incompatible |
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| 02:14.21 | gravity | hrmpf |
| 02:14.33 | gravity | I wonder what it's looking for. X11 is bog-standard. |
| 02:14.44 | gravity | fishdish: Does it give you any more info than that? |
| 02:15.00 | fishdish | nope, that's why i'm reading docs |
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| 02:15.12 | gravity | Ouch |
| 02:15.21 | gravity | You could mail their tech support |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | Fluten: find it ? |
| 02:15.45 | abrotman | fishdish: can you strace it ? |
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| 02:15.51 | abrotman | maybe it's looking for -dev package s? |
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| 02:16.18 | gravity | More likely some extension |
| 02:16.32 | fishdish | At dassault? wonder if they listen to a garage guy who's testing an open source product with their piece of software. Besides HP is paying them for releasing the UNIX version, and probably also for not releasing the Linux version. |
| 02:16.34 | Caelum | maybe it needs glx |
| 02:16.54 | fishdish | abrotman : possibly, i'll try. thanks for tips |
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| 02:16.56 | gravity | XFree86 has glx |
| 02:17.04 | Caelum | I mean, glx turned on |
| 02:17.16 | gravity | It should be turned on by default |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | do we even know what he's trying to install ? |
| 02:17.24 | fishdish | a-ha does sarge have glx turned on by default |
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| 02:17.29 | gravity | Some weird ass CAD software |
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| 02:17.36 | abrotman | lovelt |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | lovely |
| 02:17.39 | gravity | fishdish: Check /var/log/XFree86.0.log to know for sure |
| 02:17.40 | Caelum | fishdish: glxinfo |
| 02:17.41 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:17.54 | Caelum | fishdish: how exactly are you running HP-UX binaries on linux? |
| 02:18.01 | abrotman | if only linux had nice OSS CAD software |
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| 02:18.20 | fishdish | Blender Is Not Cad |
| 02:18.23 | Lilldude10 | azar do y got x with that smal video card? |
| 02:18.30 | abrotman | i didn't say blender was cad |
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| 02:18.52 | kold | |psyl0n|: blz? |
| 02:19.15 | psyl0n | eai kold |
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| 02:19.19 | psyl0n | :) |
| 02:19.21 | fishdish | i installed from cd's command line and it went fine... until i was supposed to start the installed software |
| 02:19.39 | fishdish | had it been source, i would reckon the problem immediately ;-) |
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| 02:20.13 | fbi | that quadra bot needs a +b |
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| 02:20.41 | fbi | that thing is completely useless anyway |
| 02:20.43 | abrotman | fbi: tell the op! |
| 02:20.45 | fbi | who owns that bot |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | !afo |
| 02:20.47 | dpkg | antgel for ops! |
| 02:21.06 | Azar | Lilldude10, what are you talking about? |
| 02:21.21 | fbi | !ops quadra please +b, disconnecting all the time and useless anyway |
| 02:21.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: quadra please +b, disconnecting all the time and useless anyway |
| 02:21.23 | Lilldude10 | you have less ram than me and smaller video card |
| 02:21.39 | Daveman | heh |
| 02:21.40 | Lilldude10 | so do you spend more time in comand |
| 02:21.46 | fbi | abrotman: you know who owns that? |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | fbi: nfc |
| 02:22.06 | Azar | Lilldude10, my X works ok Sarge is kind with me |
| 02:22.15 | Lilldude10 | cool |
| 02:22.15 | helix | fbi: you can /ignore quadra, you know |
| 02:22.29 | Lilldude10 | azar i got 2 64 sticks ram i could give |
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| 02:22.35 | helix | how do you know it's a bot though? |
| 02:22.49 | fbi | helix: it doesn't do anything when it's actually here. it spits out garbage when you try and !info dpkg. |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | it's someone with a crummy mac :) |
| 02:23.00 | abrotman | oh . doesit ? |
| 02:23.06 | fbi | yes. |
| 02:23.06 | helix | oh I see |
| 02:23.07 | helix | ok |
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| 02:23.15 | Azar | Lilldude10, I have 2456MB ram for the system and my video card has 128MB ram |
| 02:23.18 | fbi | watch, if it stays online |
| 02:23.23 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@lns-bzn-10-82-251-54-145.adsl.proxad.net] by helix |
| 02:23.27 | buu | Hi helix! |
| 02:23.30 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 02:23.33 | Lilldude10 | cool azar |
| 02:23.34 | helix | buu: hello dear |
| 02:23.36 | helix | fbi: thanks |
| 02:23.38 | fbi | helix: cheers. |
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| 02:23.42 | abrotman | buu: did you get all your drives hooked up? |
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| 02:24.09 | Lilldude10 | <azar u box can beat mine up |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: how about the happy op dance? :) |
| 02:24.27 | fbi | [14:59] <quadra> [ !unload : no module with this name ] |
| 02:24.28 | buu | abrotman: No, I don't have them, I was just speculating. I found a site that will sell me a tower with 6x320s sata150s for a total of $1500 or so |
| 02:24.38 | fbi | that's what it does every time you !info dpkg |
| 02:24.39 | Hericus | I'm thinking of getting debian on my lappy.. I don't currently have the bandwidth though to get all the CD's mentioned on the site.. |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | buu: oh .. ok .. |
| 02:24.45 | Hericus | :( |
| 02:24.54 | Daveman | BUU! |
| 02:24.55 | Azar | Lilldude10 I keep my hardware conservative, I am not jumping on the latest , greatest ones. |
| 02:24.59 | buu | Hericus: So um, don't? |
| 02:25.01 | PerfDave | abrotman: Well, that dance is doubly happy when the op is helix or abrotman ;) |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | buu: that seems a bit much .. 1500? |
| 02:25.03 | PerfDave | !afo |
| 02:25.03 | dpkg | asg for ops! |
| 02:25.03 | Caelum | Hericus: do a minimal net install and then just get the stuff you need slowly |
| 02:25.07 | PerfDave | Damnit! |
| 02:25.11 | buu | Daveman: The one true lord of the depths is coming. |
| 02:25.19 | Daveman | Ah, excellent. |
| 02:25.21 | buu | abrotman: You think so? The drives along would probably run $900.. |
| 02:25.21 | abrotman | PerfDave: try again! |
| 02:25.26 | Hericus | Yeah, but the minimal net install doesn't contain any packages. |
| 02:25.28 | PerfDave | Hericus: You don't need to download all the CDs. Read the Installation Manual for your options. |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | buu: 6x320GB ? |
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| 02:25.44 | Hericus | I'd rather have a little few packages, than have none at all, and try to download them slowly. |
| 02:25.45 | Lilldude10 | smart azar no ones scare me away |
| 02:25.46 | Caelum | Hericus: that's what apt-get is for? |
| 02:25.55 | PerfDave | Hericus: There are many places that will sell you Debian CDs or DVDs, which may be a good option. |
| 02:26.16 | buu | abrotman: yar |
| 02:26.17 | Hericus | Yes...yes your right. |
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| 02:26.26 | Hericus | Caelum, I do have the option of ubuntu. |
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| 02:26.27 | Azar | Lilldude10, you should spend some time in command line learn some small basics. Debian has rules that have to be learned, known, followed. |
| 02:26.28 | Hericus | (: |
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| 02:26.45 | abrotman | buu: but .. you're not even getting a hardware RAID controller .. what's the other 600$ for ? |
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| 02:26.50 | Hericus | I prefer gentoo but its for a lappy so I'm looking for alternatives. |
| 02:27.02 | Azar | Lilldude10, this is for you: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 02:27.03 | Lilldude10 | azar u use shel window quite often |
| 02:27.10 | PerfDave | Hericus: You'd have the same bandwidth issues with Ubuntu as you would with Debian, surely. |
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| 02:27.12 | abrotman | Hericus: the netinst has enough stuff to get you a base system |
| 02:27.13 | phych0 | thats what happens when you offer free shell accounts i guess hahaha |
| 02:27.16 | buu | abrotman: Ram/cpu/mobo |
| 02:27.18 | fbi | Muffie: don't irc as root. |
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| 02:27.29 | Hericus | Ubuntu comes on only one CD :) |
| 02:27.35 | buu | abrotman: Dual gigabit ethernet |
| 02:27.38 | abrotman | buu: okee .. still seems a bit steep .. but it's not my money :) |
| 02:27.41 | Hericus | It includes gaim and what not. |
| 02:27.43 | Hericus | Uh.. |
| 02:27.45 | Hericus | gnome. |
| 02:27.46 | Azar | Lilldude10 I am spending most time in command line, learning how to secure the system, and groom the system. |
| 02:27.48 | buu | abrotman: I haven't been able to find one for less.. |
| 02:28.04 | Hericus | PerfDave, its not about bandwidth, but of avaiablity of packages. |
| 02:28.14 | PerfDave | Hericus: Like I say, read the installation manual. The first *full* CD of Debian (not netinst) will have X and gnome etc. on. |
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| 02:28.26 | Azar | Hericus, I never used but only the first Debian CD... soo... |
| 02:28.29 | PerfDave | Hericus: And you have the same problems with Ubuntu as you do with Debian :) |
| 02:28.31 | ttick | Hmm, still no firefox 1.5 for experimental? |
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| 02:28.42 | Hericus | Grand. |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | buu: hrm .. i'd think the cheapest CPU/mobo/ram . and a big case .. but like i said . not my money |
| 02:28.47 | Hericus | ttick, no its out officially. |
| 02:28.55 | buu | abrotman: ... |
| 02:29.01 | Hericus | PerfDave, how big is the netinst? |
| 02:29.02 | ttick | Hericus: for which distro? |
| 02:29.02 | Azar | ttick, for testing and unstable, yes but requires some work |
| 02:29.03 | buu | abrotman: I'm all for cheap |
| 02:29.13 | ttick | Azar: ah. :/ |
| 02:29.25 | Hericus | Hmm.. |
| 02:29.39 | PerfDave | Hericus: ~120Mb for the netinst, ~640Mb for each full CD |
| 02:29.41 | Azar | ttick, I tried it last night, I am in Sarge, but I gave up. |
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| 02:29.52 | ttick | Azar: *kerplat* :/ |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | buu: you can get semprons pretty cheap .. 512MB is cheap .. and a mobo can't be that much .. but the PSU to drive all 6 drives .. and the large case ... |
| 02:30.06 | PerfDave | But never underestimate the bandwidth of http://www.cheeplinux.com/product_info.php?products_id=353 or http://www.thelinuxemporium.co.uk/products/general/#pid3975 and first-class post *g* |
| 02:30.19 | Azar | ttick: I do not like wrestling with dependency bugs |
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| 02:30.35 | Hericus | debian/gentoo/slackware... which one!?! |
| 02:30.35 | ttick | Azar: yeah, me neither -- that's why I run debian in the first place. |
| 02:30.39 | Muffie | anyone here uses an ATI video card and is using fglrx!? |
| 02:30.44 | Lilldude10 | azar how do you get rid of stuff when u use the internet |
| 02:30.49 | Hericus | I only use nvidia |
| 02:30.53 | diverge | here is what im going to be running soon: http://216.32.88.98/~admin/list.html |
| 02:30.55 | Azar | abrotman, so I could get my next generation box with a sempron? |
| 02:30.56 | gravity | Hericus: Try them all and see what you like. Go for it. |
| 02:30.58 | gravity | Geez, kids today |
| 02:30.59 | buu | abrotman: Well, the mobo might be a tad of expense, I'd need something that could handle 6 sata drives |
| 02:31.01 | Azar | a sempron 64bit? |
| 02:31.07 | Hericus | I've only tried gentoo. |
| 02:31.08 | Muffie | anyone here uses an ATI video card and is using fglrx!? I cant find fglrx-driver when using apt-cache search fglrx |
| 02:31.11 | gravity | Hericus: Then try the others |
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| 02:31.17 | Hericus | I've tried ubuntu.. |
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| 02:31.20 | abrotman | buu: or you could get non RAID sata controllers |
| 02:31.23 | Hericus | Which is based upon debian. |
| 02:31.24 | Azar | Lilldude10, get rid of what stuff? |
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| 02:31.27 | gravity | Hericus: Then if you like Debian, come on back. If not, then have fun with wherever your travels take you |
| 02:31.30 | buu | abrotman: And you're right, I could probably put together a comparable box for 100 or maybe 200 less, but then I'd have to put it together, I wouldn't get the over all warranty and such |
| 02:31.37 | Hericus | :( |
| 02:31.44 | Lilldude10 | like tempory files and cookies and stuff |
| 02:31.56 | Muffie | errr... about FGLRX, anyone? |
| 02:31.59 | abrotman | buu: guess it depends on the warranty |
| 02:32.11 | Muffie | i cant find the binaries anywhere |
| 02:32.12 | Azar | Lilldude10, Firefox has some options and settings that will do that work |
| 02:32.38 | Caelum | Muffie: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:32.42 | PerfDave | Muffie: Please don't repeat so quickly. People will answer your question if they know the answer. I'm guessing that you can't find fglrx with apt-cache because it's not in Debian :) |
| 02:32.54 | Lilldude10 | i ment kdf |
| 02:32.55 | Caelum | Muffie: I much prefer the Xorg ATI drivers, much more stable and plenty fast |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | buu: or you could just buy a NAS |
| 02:33.02 | PerfDave | Muffie: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 02:33.08 | Azar | Lilldude10 what is kdf? |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | buu: is this for work ? |
| 02:33.13 | sifi | how can I delete all symlinks in a dir? |
| 02:33.27 | Azar | sifi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 02:33.27 | Muffie | news from stanchina.net: December 1: 2005, Removed the binary packages from this page because they're no longer relevant. Use the official binaries from your favorite debian mirror |
| 02:33.34 | fishdish | Shuttleworth truly should give some focus on the core Debian team instead of blatantly forking his own distro. Anyway, he night have had talks with them but the "elitistic" character of Debian core theam would probably deny any attempts of commercialization...... even if the fork was totally free |
| 02:33.37 | Muffie | PerfDave , Ok! :) |
| 02:33.51 | Muffie | Caelum : Xorg drivers? Isnt the same driver? |
| 02:33.54 | buu | abrotman: Naw, personal use. |
| 02:34.00 | abrotman | buu: say what ? |
| 02:34.04 | fishdish | or Shuttlewirth is just trying to make money, ignoring the Debian roots |
| 02:34.08 | abrotman | buu: you need 1TB+ for home use ? |
| 02:34.08 | buu | abrotman: Er, what, what? |
| 02:34.09 | Caelum | sifi: find /thedir -type l | xargs rm |
| 02:34.12 | buu | abrotman: Yes! |
| 02:34.19 | gravity | Argh, Caelum beat me to it |
| 02:34.21 | dondelelcaro | fishdish: that's great; all of that is totally OT here. |
| 02:34.25 | Azar | fishdish, not everyone is FOR commercialization, that why I guess forks show up |
| 02:34.26 | gravity | I never use -l, so I had to look that one up |
| 02:34.27 | Caelum | Muffie: the radeon driver in xorg, there are a bunch of tweaks for it |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | buu: are you trying to mirror the intarweb? :) |
| 02:34.35 | PerfDave | Muffie: xorg has a Free ATI driver with 3d acceleration, which can just about manage to play old 3D games like Enemy Territory but is crappy for anything modern. Then again, so is fglrx *g* |
| 02:34.36 | Caelum | gravity: me too :) |
| 02:34.52 | fishdish | Mar Shuttleworth is the guy behind Ubuntu.... |
| 02:34.53 | Muffie | Caelum : Direct Rendering? |
| 02:35.03 | dondelelcaro | fishdish: I know who he iss. |
| 02:35.09 | gravity | fishdish: We don't care. Ubuntu is off-topic. Got it? |
| 02:35.22 | fishdish | why? |
| 02:35.25 | buu | abrotman: Yes! |
| 02:35.27 | gravity | fishdish: /topic |
| 02:35.32 | sifi | Caelum, nice |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | buu: erm .. ok .. |
| 02:35.42 | Azar | fishdish because some of us do not like ubuntu |
| 02:35.44 | buu | abrotman: I looked in to the san/nas stuff, but it seemed expensive and small |
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| 02:35.48 | fishdish | why? |
| 02:35.55 | Azar | becaue is NOT debian |
| 02:35.57 | abrotman | buu: probably quiet too .. damn engineers :) |
| 02:36.04 | Caelum | Muffie: of course. Driver "radeon", mtrr on, EnablePageFlip true, AGPMode 4 (or the highest you have) AGPFastWrite on |
| 02:36.09 | fishdish | it's "just another Debian custom distro" |
| 02:36.10 | dondelelcaro | fishdish: why ask why? It's OT here; if you continue, you'll be devoiced. |
| 02:36.18 | fishdish | hm... |
| 02:36.21 | Azar | fishdish, it is NOT Debian |
| 02:36.32 | abrotman | fishdish: no .. it's based on debian . it is NOT debian .. it is OT here .. please refrain from discussing it |
| 02:36.36 | fishdish | this is getting passionate. Guys don't mind me |
| 02:36.48 | Muffie | -> /msg dpkg ATI Drivers. Its pointing me to stanchina.net. Which does not provide the binaries anymore. Tells me to get it from My Favorite debian mirror... Well, its simple GONE! Cant find it anywhere |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | fishdish: now .. about your freak software on Debian :) |
| 02:37.01 | fishdish | lolz |
| 02:37.14 | fishdish | i'll vim it out... |
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| 02:37.58 | fishdish | it's Dassault Systems who's responsible... and who might profit if they had it working on Debian |
| 02:38.18 | fishdish | the same same company the builds the Eurofighter... =DD |
| 02:38.39 | Muffie | the dpkg IRC answer is old... Stanchina.net/~flavio does not provide binaries anymore... Its impossible that the "fglrx-driver" package cant be found anywhere |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | buu: what about an external USB/Firewire enclosure ? |
| 02:39.08 | buu | abrotman: You mean internal drives in one? |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | buu: i suppose |
| 02:39.32 | buu | abrotman: how would multiple computers access it? |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | buu: you'd hook it to an existing PC :) |
| 02:39.53 | PerfDave | buu: buu http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=36 ! |
| 02:40.11 | Caelum | Muffie: the url I gave you has links to those packages. But try getting xorg dri to work first |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | buu: never mind .. they're not cheap |
| 02:40.51 | PerfDave | Is Muffie not running Sarge? :) |
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| 02:41.10 | kjdyslex | What is a "linux-image" as opposed to a "kernel-image"? |
| 02:41.12 | Muffie | Caelum : the URL given by dpkg is broken. Check it. The correct url is: www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html |
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| 02:41.25 | PerfDave | kjdyslex: It's more specific :) |
| 02:41.34 | buu | abrotman: Yeah =/ |
| 02:41.44 | Muffie | PerfDave : My first installation was sarge. But I have changed the sources.list to point to the testing version |
| 02:41.46 | buu | PerfDave: I saw those, they seemed lots more expensive. |
| 02:42.07 | Muffie | Caelum : And read the news from December 1 |
| 02:42.26 | abrotman | buu: i thought they were a couple of hundred .. they seem to be a couple of thousand |
| 02:42.27 | kjdyslex | Well it's just that I was compiling kernel pkgs, and I must have done something different because the last I got starts with "linux-image" ? |
| 02:42.32 | buu | abrotman: Wow. |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | buu: granitedigital.com |
| 02:43.01 | Lilldude10 | thaks azar got to run |
| 02:43.19 | fbi | kjdyslex: 2.6.12 and newer will be linux-* |
| 02:43.22 | PerfDave | kjdyslex: I don't know about compiling kernels 'cause I make sure I never need to, but I know that in sid (and probably etch by now) the kernel-image packages have been renamed linux-image. |
| 02:43.34 | PerfDave | !ati drivers |
| 02:43.34 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 02:43.40 | kjdyslex | oh, yeah I did go to SID today |
| 02:43.51 | Hericus | Thanks everyone. |
| 02:43.54 | Muffie | PerfDave : Try this URL |
| 02:43.57 | Hericus | Have a good evening to youall. |
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| 02:44.16 | PerfDave | Muffie: I just did :) |
| 02:44.28 | Muffie | PerfDave : and its working for you? |
| 02:44.39 | Caelum | I get higher glxgears numbers with xorg's dri drivers than with fglrx on a radeon 9000 |
| 02:45.01 | Muffie | Caelum : I dont have a clue about how can I install Xorg here! :) |
| 02:45.08 | PerfDave | Caelum: Yeah, glxgears is a great real-world test *g* |
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| 02:45.12 | PerfDave | Muffie: Yep |
| 02:45.26 | Muffie | PerfDave : Now I noticed. The URL has been updated. |
| 02:45.30 | loopdee | hmm, I have one of those USB multi-card reader things for my camera... how do I mount that? |
| 02:45.40 | Muffie | PerfDave : but, now check the NEWS from December 1 |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | !usbstorage |
| 02:45.41 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 02:45.50 | Caelum | PerfDave: heh true, I haven't tried to compare using unreal2 or something like that |
| 02:46.12 | PerfDave | Caelum: I've seen benchmarks using Doom 3 and fglrx pisses all over xorg's ATI driver. |
| 02:46.12 | Caelum | PerfDave: also, fglrx locked up my computer a few times |
| 02:46.23 | loopdee | abrotman, ty |
| 02:46.24 | buu | abrotman: Expense! |
| 02:46.32 | PerfDave | Muffie: Oh well, at least the link's correct :) |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | buu: yeah .. they are |
| 02:46.45 | Muffie | PerfDave and Caelum : can you guys please useL apt-cache search fglrx? |
| 02:46.58 | Caelum | Muffie: it comes up for me |
| 02:47.07 | Muffie | Caelum : Sources or binaries? |
| 02:47.07 | SerajewelKS | running a dancer ircd. it says the server is split. how do i tell dancer that it is the central server? |
| 02:47.23 | Muffie | Caelum : Here I only get fglrx-kernel-src |
| 02:47.36 | PerfDave | Muffie: I don't get anything, but I wouldn't expect to see fglrx in the Debian repositories 'cause it's not DSFG-Free |
| 02:47.37 | buu | abrotman: I was just pricing on newegg, it looks like I could get a comparable box for 1205 |
| 02:47.38 | Caelum | Muffie: I'm using sid |
| 02:47.42 | Azar | question: what if one has an ati driver 8500 and higher? is there a way to install them with Sarge? |
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| 02:47.56 | Muffie | Caelum : Dummy question: Whats SID? |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | buu: really ? |
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| 02:48.31 | buu | abrotman: Um. Yes? |
| 02:48.36 | PerfDave | Muffie: SID is a sound processing chip used in various old computers. Sid or sid is the unstable branch of Debian. /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | buu: ok .. carry on :) |
| 02:48.56 | Muffie | PerfDave : So, what SID has to do with fglrx-drivers? |
| 02:49.05 | buu | abrotman: Well, I think so |
| 02:49.12 | Muffie | PerfDave : Do you have any suggestions about how can I install fglrx-driver here? |
| 02:49.14 | loopdee | i loaded usb-storage, and module sd_mod said already there, cannot see an entry in /proc/partitions |
| 02:49.15 | PerfDave | Muffie: I have no idea *g* |
| 02:49.23 | b0xy | opinions on PQI Power series RAM? they have good newegg reviews and I have some PQI Turbo and it's great |
| 02:49.25 | PerfDave | Muffie: I don't use ATI cards, sorry. |
| 02:49.28 | b0xy | anyone use Power series tho? |
| 02:49.35 | abrotman | b0xy: #hardware |
| 02:49.46 | stew | Muffie: have you read /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 02:49.58 | Muffie | Whats that command to configure XF86? xconfigurator? |
| 02:50.04 | fbi | !drxx Muffie |
| 02:50.04 | dpkg | Muffie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 02:50.16 | stew | Muffie: what version of debian are you using? |
| 02:50.34 | Muffie | stew : Dont know! The version changes after a dist-upgrade? |
| 02:50.44 | stew | maybe |
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| 02:51.12 | stew | Muffie: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
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| 02:51.36 | abrotman | !tell fowr about root |
| 02:51.43 | PerfDave | stew: Muffie has said that they were running Etch. |
| 02:51.45 | fbi | !tell abrotman about he's gone |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | !tell fbi about thingfish |
| 02:51.58 | fbi | hahahahaha |
| 02:52.02 | fbi | i forgot about that |
| 02:52.11 | stew | Muffie: if you are running etch its "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to reconfigure x |
| 02:52.27 | stew | !thingfish |
| 02:52.27 | dpkg | [thingfish] a thai-whore, according to abrotman |
| 02:52.27 | PerfDave | stew: Unless you haven't installed xorg. |
| 02:52.37 | stew | PerfDave: right |
| 02:52.44 | Muffie | stew: Testing/unstable |
| 02:53.16 | Muffie | stew: I think Im using XFree, not X.org |
| 02:53.20 | stew | Muffie: which returns a line starting with "ii": "dpkg -l xserver-xorg" or "dpkg -l xserver-xfree86" ? |
| 02:53.22 | fbi | Muffie: X -version |
| 02:53.39 | PerfDave | dpkg -l xserver-\* |
| 02:53.39 | dpkg | ii xserver-\* 1.5-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 02:53.49 | stew | sweet |
| 02:54.09 | Muffie | XFree86 4.3.0.1 |
| 02:54.15 | phr3ak1n | Upgraded debian from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, get error on boot pivot_root: No Such File /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console kernel panic: attempt to kill init |
| 02:54.20 | epsilon | Hi need an advise: I want to mirror sarge on hda -> sda. I partitioned, copied the files, configured grub and fstab. But on startup, I get the error "unable to open an initial console". What did I forget? |
| 02:54.26 | PerfDave | Argh, what's the cheese with the holes? |
| 02:54.27 | stew | hmm earlier today someone was proclaiming that dpkg couldn't handle wildcards |
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| 02:54.33 | abrotman | swiss ? |
| 02:54.36 | abrotman | jarlsberg ? |
| 02:54.38 | phr3ak1n | Seems it cant detect ide0 but it is ok with 2.4 any ideas |
| 02:54.44 | PerfDave | phr3ak1n: How did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 02:54.56 | phr3ak1n | apt-get install kernel-image |
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| 02:55.08 | Muffie | stew: I have tried to use dpkg-reconfigure with Xfree86, but it seems to ignore the changes. Keeped trying to find fglrx |
| 02:55.14 | _edward_ | hi, "unstable" with linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 just installed tonight and not when running 'top' it shows top using 99% cpu |
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| 02:55.22 | _edward_ | not/now |
| 02:55.25 | PerfDave | phr3ak1n: There's no such package as "kernel-image" :) |
| 02:55.40 | _edward_ | anyone else experiencing problems? |
| 02:55.47 | PerfDave | _edward_: Did you check the BTS? |
| 02:55.49 | fbi | Muffie: if you edited XF86Config-4 you need to fix the md5sum for dpkg-reconfigure to save changes |
| 02:55.50 | stew | Muffie: it probably didn't save the changes because of this: "/msg dpkg xmd5" . though if you are running etch you probably might as well install xorg |
| 02:56.07 | stew | !xfree86->xorg |
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| 02:56.25 | buu | abrotman: So I'm looking at $1250 + tax + shipping for a comparable system from newegg |
| 02:56.30 | PerfDave | Gouda? |
| 02:56.34 | abrotman | buu: but no warranty |
| 02:56.35 | _edward_ | yesyes |
| 02:56.35 | stew | Muffie: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | PerfDave: swiss .. |
| 02:56.52 | buu | abrotman: Yeah and no assembly |
| 02:56.58 | stew | gouda doesn't have holes if that is what we are talking about |
| 02:56.59 | buu | abrotman: Which I have to admit would be nice |
| 02:57.07 | PerfDave | stew: Then what does? |
| 02:57.10 | fbi | i could have sworn an upgrade to etch would have removed xfree86 and installed xorg anyway |
| 02:57.12 | abrotman | PerfDave: SWISS! |
| 02:57.15 | Muffie | stew: Stew and fbi : Ok its downloading. But why do I need two X servers? |
| 02:57.19 | PerfDave | I think "swiss cheese" is some random Americanism like Belgian waffles :) |
| 02:57.28 | fbi | Muffie: you don't. xorg will replace xfree86 |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: JARLSBERG! |
| 02:57.34 | gravity | \o/ |
| 02:57.35 | stew | Muffie: you don't, debian is dropping xfree in favor of xorg, xfree is no longer in testing or unstable |
| 02:57.55 | Muffie | stew and fbi : Ahh, ok. So Xfree will be uninstalled? |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | buu: ok .. it's your money .. dont' shoot me if it doens't work though .. i recommend you sacrifice a canadian |
| 02:58.07 | fbi | Muffie: yes. xserver-xfree86 will be removed. |
| 02:58.15 | PerfDave | abrotman: I've never heard of jarlsberg! |
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| 02:58.16 | stew | Muffie: xfree is installed because you haven't yet replaced it with xorg |
| 02:58.23 | Muffie | stew and fbi : Why there are two X servers out there? Xorg is better? |
| 02:58.27 | stew | PerfDave: jarlsberg is a swiss (which has holes) |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | PerfDave: wikipedia |
| 02:58.38 | gravity | Muffie: It's complicated, but it has to do with politics mainly |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | PerfDave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarlsberg |
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| 02:58.57 | PerfDave | OK, what's a cheese with holes that I've heard of? :) |
| 02:58.59 | gravity | Muffie: Xorg is a fork of XFree86 |
| 02:59.02 | abrotman | PerfDave: swiss |
| 02:59.08 | phr3ak1n | Pefdave the full page is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 02:59.08 | stew | Muffie: xfree changed their license to be not dfsg-compatible which prompted many of the developers to leave and form the xorg project which is dfsg-compatible |
| 02:59.14 | PerfDave | abrotman: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SWISS CHEESE |
| 02:59.19 | stew | Muffie: (/msg dpkg dfsg) |
| 02:59.35 | stew | PerfDave: jarlsberg comes from switzerland which is what i mean by "Swiss" |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | PerfDave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese |
| 02:59.37 | Muffie | stew and fbi : I have used a dist-upgrade some days ago. Shouldnt this change (xfree->xorg) automatically? |
| 02:59.41 | PerfDave | And Jarlsberg is Norwegian, not Swiss, according to Wikipedia |
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| 02:59.52 | stew | PerfDave: doh |
| 02:59.55 | buu | abrotman: ... You so aren't helping |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | PerfDave: that article says the real name |
| 03:00.02 | buu | abrotman: You say that like you have a better way to do it. |
| 03:00.02 | stew | PerfDave: it has holes |
| 03:00.24 | stew | Muffie: ask gravity |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | PerfDave: it's of the swiss family |
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| 03:00.34 | Muffie | gravity? |
| 03:00.37 | Muffie | :P |
| 03:00.38 | PerfDave | stew: But I've never heard of it :) |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | buu: offsite backup! |
| 03:00.43 | stew | PerfDave: its good |
| 03:01.03 | gravity | Muffie: It should have. Do you still have stable in your sources.list? |
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| 03:01.07 | gravity | Or sarge. Whatever. |
| 03:01.12 | buu | abrotman: What? |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | buu: sorry . it was a joke :) |
| 03:01.39 | abrotman | PerfDave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmental_cheese |
| 03:01.53 | PerfDave | Emmental was the one I was thinking of :) |
| 03:01.58 | stew | PerfDave: its a not to strong cows milk chese which is somewhat rich |
| 03:02.02 | Muffie | gravity : No. Just testing and unstable |
| 03:02.08 | gravity | hrm |
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| 03:02.11 | stew | PerfDave: its similar in flavor to emmental |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | PerfDave: well . why didn't you say that ? |
| 03:02.24 | gravity | Muffie: That's odd. For most people, the change went automatically and transparently. |
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| 03:02.36 | Muffie | gravity : Im an odd user! :) |
| 03:02.38 | gravity | Muffie: You didn't have xserver-xorg installed at all? |
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| 03:02.56 | gravity | Muffie: There should be an xserver-xfree86 package present, but it's just a metapackage that depends on xserver-xorg... |
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| 03:03.03 | buu | abrotman: I hatred you =[ |
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| 03:03.38 | PerfDave | abrotman: Because I couldn't remember what it was called! |
| 03:03.40 | PerfDave | :win abrotman |
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| 03:03.50 | abrotman | !lose PerfDave |
| 03:03.50 | dpkg | PerfDave: You Lose. |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:03.56 | stew | man i love cheese |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | buu: sorry .. but there's good news .. there's a club you can join! |
| 03:04.24 | PerfDave | stew is Wallace, and I claim my 5 pounds. |
| 03:04.34 | Muffie | Ill be back in a second |
| 03:04.48 | fbi | 5 pounds? |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | of flesh |
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| 03:04.55 | fbi | barely enough for a 20 pack of marlboros |
| 03:05.01 | stew | PerfDave: mmmmmm cheeeeese. its funny that acutally the local shops now carry wendlydale only because of wallace |
| 03:05.29 | GaiaChld | does debian work with athlon 64 ? under 64 bit ? |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:05.35 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:05.35 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:06.22 | buu | abrotman: Hard drive of the month club? |
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| 03:06.38 | abrotman | buu: no .. the abrotman haters club :) |
| 03:06.50 | PerfDave | stew: I live not far from Wensleydale :) |
| 03:06.55 | quika | Hi there! Can anyone help me with a SMTP-AUTH problem? It seems to be completely arbitrarily which Mails go out... |
| 03:07.00 | stew | PerfDave: that's how you spell it |
| 03:07.28 | buu | abrotman: T.t |
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| 03:07.37 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 03:07.40 | Muffie | Well. X is working Again. KDE is up and running |
| 03:07.43 | Muffie | but... |
| 03:07.43 | wang-x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1240 <------------------someone who knows something about perl please check that out, I don't know why but since I tried installing a perl script for xchat i get this |
| 03:07.46 | sts | hello folks! |
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| 03:08.06 | Muffie | glxinfo | grep direct shows Direct Rendering = No, and I can only get 300fps on glxgears (Radeon 9600XT) |
| 03:08.45 | stew | PerfDave: i was recently at a high end cheese shop where they have lots of fancy cheeses with the little toothpick flags saying something about them, right next to some "rich double cream sheeps milk from a small farm in NY" was one with "Wensleydale, as featured in Wallace and Grommit" |
| 03:08.45 | quika | Hi! Has anyone here ever used exim4 and a smtp smarthost? I thought this should be no problem, but mine isn't working correctly... |
| 03:09.19 | cheal | quika: yes |
| 03:09.29 | stew | gravity loves closed source drivers |
| 03:09.40 | PerfDave | wang-x: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 03:09.47 | gravity | Oh, is that what that is? |
| 03:09.50 | gravity | Fuck that shit |
| 03:09.56 | peigen | hi all |
| 03:09.57 | stew | :) |
| 03:10.02 | Muffie | how can I check which version would be installed if I do an apt-get install XXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 03:10.07 | peigen | 有中国人么？ |
| 03:10.11 | stew | Muffie: apt-cache policy xxxx |
| 03:10.19 | Tortel | peigen: english? |
| 03:10.27 | peigen | ok |
| 03:10.30 | stew | Muffie: look at candidate: |
| 03:10.38 | Muffie | thanks stew. |
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| 03:10.54 | PerfDave | Muffie: apt-show-versions is a neat utility |
| 03:10.58 | quika | cheal: Great! I really don't get it: I just wrote an email to several adresses and when exim tried to deliver it via smtp, half of the adresses did't work with error "Need to authenticate via SMTP-AUTH", the other half worked!!! |
| 03:11.04 | peigen | i am a chinese |
| 03:11.21 | Muffie | peigen : Do your country let you access IRC? |
| 03:11.29 | cheal | quika: I have no idea |
| 03:11.30 | Caelum | PerfDave: apparently, 2D performance is better in dri than fglrx, http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1334037918#post1334037918 |
| 03:11.59 | PerfDave | Caelum: That's nice for it :) |
| 03:12.02 | Muffie | Caelum : I can tell you that my old XFree with fglrx was considerably faster than x.org now |
| 03:12.05 | peigen | yes |
| 03:12.10 | quika | cheal: Dammit! I'm used to situations where every mail gets an error or no problems occur! This is really a new one... :-( |
| 03:12.12 | PerfDave | Because, y'know, 2D isn't fast enough already *g* |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | PerfDave: SWISS! |
| 03:12.28 | cheal | quika: just like me :) |
| 03:12.28 | epsilon | how do I add /dev on a mirrored backup harddrive? If I try boot from the backup disc, I get the error "unable to open an initial console" |
| 03:12.30 | PerfDave | !cn |
| 03:12.30 | dpkg | hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE 渡详请读 |
| 03:12.34 | Caelum | not if you use true type fonts in transparent terminals |
| 03:12.45 | Tortel | !peigen Chinese |
| 03:12.53 | Tortel | hmm |
| 03:12.57 | peigen | ..... |
| 03:12.58 | peigen | yes |
| 03:12.59 | Tortel | well |
| 03:13.01 | quika | cheal: Thanks anyway! If I can figure it out, I'll come back and tell you the solution! |
| 03:13.01 | Tortel | !chinese |
| 03:13.02 | dpkg | chinese is, like, Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
| 03:13.04 | Caelum | Muffie: do you have dri on? type glxinfo |
| 03:13.05 | peigen | en |
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| 03:13.25 | Muffie | Caelum : glxinfo , grep what? |
| 03:13.43 | cheal | quika: don't bother, I still have everything to learn about MTAs |
| 03:13.58 | peigen | i use hiweed,a kind of debian~~~ |
| 03:14.08 | PerfDave | !hiweed |
| 03:14.09 | Caelum | Muffie: "direct rendering" |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | !chinese is also /j #debian-zh |
| 03:14.14 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:14.25 | Muffie | Caelum : Direct Rendering = NO |
| 03:14.29 | PerfDave | peigen: This channel is only for Debian itself, not for Debian-based distros like Hiweed or Ubuntu |
| 03:14.54 | Muffie | Caelum : I thought the only way to enable that was using fglrx |
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| 03:15.11 | abrotman | gravity: do you lift your desk when you do that ? |
| 03:15.17 | gravity | heh |
| 03:15.30 | Caelum | Muffie: nope, modprobe agpgart radeon, and make sure you're using the radeon driver in xorg.conf |
| 03:16.18 | Muffie | Caelum : I need to add radeon at /etc/modules? |
| 03:16.22 | PerfDave | !hiweed is a Chinese Debian-based Linux distro, see http://linux.hiweed.com/ or http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=hiweed |
| 03:16.22 | dpkg | PerfDave: okay |
| 03:16.35 | Caelum | Muffie: unless you're going to use fglrx, yeah |
| 03:16.48 | abrotman | who would name a distro hiweed |
| 03:16.55 | PerfDave | abrotman: Chinese people |
| 03:17.18 | Muffie | Caelum : Now, where can I find if xorg.conf is using the Radeon driver? |
| 03:17.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: swiss! |
| 03:17.36 | PerfDave | abrotman: CHINESE! |
| 03:17.43 | Muffie | Caelum: Section "Device" |
| 03:17.47 | bulkdata | is there any command to purge configuration files left by removed packages? |
| 03:17.50 | abrotman | PerfDave: at least he's not english! |
| 03:17.55 | peigen | i know |
| 03:17.55 | Muffie | Caelum : Driver "ati" |
| 03:17.56 | abrotman | bulkdata: man dpkg |
| 03:18.01 | PerfDave | Damnit, we need someone who can speak chinese to tell us what Hiweed's IRC channel is. |
| 03:18.05 | Muffie | Caelum : should I change it to Radeon and restart X? |
| 03:18.15 | kapil | bulkdata: cruft |
| 03:18.18 | Caelum | Muffie: change that to radeon, but I think you're supposed to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to change that file now |
| 03:18.32 | peigen | have not Hiweed's IRC, |
| 03:18.33 | Caelum | Muffie: yup |
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| 03:19.01 | Muffie | ok. Ill be back in a moment |
| 03:19.17 | PerfDave | (=Muffie's quitmsg)++ |
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| 03:20.33 | Muffie | Caelum : still showing Direct Rendering: No |
| 03:20.56 | Caelum | Muffie: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:21.16 | Muffie | Caelum : ok, what should I look for? |
| 03:21.35 | Caelum | Muffie: RADEON |
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| 03:22.15 | Muffie | Caelum: (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP) |
| 03:22.29 | Caelum | Muffie: oh I forgot... you have to have Load "dri" and Load "glx" in Section "Module" |
| 03:22.39 | kingrayray | hi guys, stupid question. i'm using debian testing, and i cannot find the package for the 2.6.12 kernel source, is there something i'm just unaware of? |
| 03:22.51 | Caelum | Muffie: and you loaded those modules right? |
| 03:23.08 | cheal | !tell kingrayray about 2.6.12 |
| 03:23.10 | sts | how can i see which modules use a specified module? |
| 03:23.17 | stew | !info linux-source-2.6.12 testing |
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| 03:23.22 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.12: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-10 (etch), Packaged size: 35671 kB, Installed size: 35760 kB |
| 03:23.27 | Muffie | Caelum: My module section already have Load "dri" and Load "glx" |
| 03:24.17 | kingrayray | ah, thanks. i was looking at kernel-source, not linux-source :) |
| 03:24.18 | yonkeltron | i need a good console p2p app. any ideas? |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | telnet ? |
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| 03:24.28 | PerfDave | yonkeltron: btlaunchmanycurses |
| 03:24.50 | stew | kingrayray: it changed as of 2.6.12 to make way for non-linux kernels like hurd and freebsd |
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| 03:25.05 | kingrayray | stew: ahhh yeah that makes sense, i've been out of the debian loop for a while :) |
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| 03:25.10 | abrotman | PerfDave: iirc .. he lives in a pretty jewish area :) |
| 03:25.14 | stew | kingrayray: welcome back :) |
| 03:25.17 | Muffie | Caelum : (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found |
| 03:25.17 | PerfDave | Dude, I can't wait to apt-get install a hurd-image and have things Just Work :) |
| 03:25.24 | PerfDave | !win kingrayray |
| 03:25.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, kingrayray! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 03:25.33 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, I know yonkeltron from #lugradio *g* |
| 03:25.35 | stew | asgsmite? |
| 03:25.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:25.38 | poop | Does hurd boot now? |
| 03:25.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:25.53 | PerfDave | poop: More importantly, it runs with KDE! :) |
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| 03:26.06 | poop | Way to stick it to RMS. |
| 03:26.10 | yonkeltron | abrotman: not anymore! i am in land of the gentiles here at college |
| 03:26.12 | Muffie | Caelum ?? |
| 03:26.15 | christor | Hello |
| 03:26.20 | abrotman | yonkeltron: boston ? |
| 03:26.27 | PerfDave | Yeah, damn you RMS, we're running Free Software on your GNU/HURD! |
| 03:26.29 | gravity | ouch |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | what .. i was being serious |
| 03:26.40 | PerfDave | I bet he's crying in his beard over that one :) |
| 03:26.43 | yonkeltron | abrotman: i'm in olympia washington |
| 03:26.45 | poop | Have they forgiven KDE for using Qt? |
| 03:26.49 | kingrayray | now with debian, i just do the whole make menuconfig, make, make modules_install ? |
| 03:26.57 | abrotman | yonkeltron: they have schools there ? |
| 03:27.00 | PerfDave | poop: KDE and Qt are Free Software and have been for many years. |
| 03:27.01 | gravity | kingrayray: Sure, or use kernel-package |
| 03:27.01 | stew | kingrayray: /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:27.05 | christor | I m searhcing help to configure a LDAP server ( Is it possible to add in the ldif other person from other domain?) like a address book? |
| 03:27.05 | PerfDave | kingrayray: make menuconfig, make-kpkg :) |
| 03:27.09 | kingrayray | ah yeah |
| 03:27.09 | gravity | Whatever you like better |
| 03:27.10 | phycho | -bash: lspci: command not found |
| 03:27.11 | Caelum | Muffie: do you have a BusID line in that section? |
| 03:27.11 | phycho | eer... |
| 03:27.14 | phycho | how do i fix that? |
| 03:27.14 | yonkeltron | abrotman: http://www.evergreen.edu |
| 03:27.14 | phycho | ;/ |
| 03:27.15 | bulkdata | thx kapil for that cruft tool info, but found a better way to do purgues |
| 03:27.30 | poop | Someone tell gnome, so it can die and stop dividing resources. |
| 03:27.31 | abrotman | yonkeltron: and you didn't invite me for beer while you were home! |
| 03:27.48 | gravity | I thought the dividing resources troll was over and done in the late 90's |
| 03:27.53 | bulkdata | dpkg --list |grep '^rc\b' | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs aptitude --assume-yes purge |
| 03:28.01 | yonkeltron | abrotman: i will be home soon. |
| 03:28.02 | PerfDave | poop: I wish :) |
| 03:28.08 | stew | phycho: its in pcitools (/msg dpkg search) |
| 03:28.28 | gravity | Christ, libx11 is big |
| 03:28.40 | poop | Are --long-options really easier to remember for some people? |
| 03:28.54 | abrotman | probably |
| 03:29.22 | gravity | I use them a lot |
| 03:29.22 | abrotman | gravity: i don't think praying will make it smaller |
| 03:29.22 | PerfDave | poop: Yeah, particularly when short options are inconsistent :) |
| 03:29.26 | phycho | msg dpkg search didnt work btw.. and theres no pcitools in apt-get ;) |
| 03:29.28 | phycho | i looked ;p |
| 03:29.37 | stew | phycho: apt-file / pdo |
| 03:29.40 | PerfDave | phycho: Are you running Debian? |
| 03:29.40 | lexiyntax | poop: I find them more useful as documentation for scripts I need to edit frequently, I can tell at a glance what is going on without looking up the options or really even thinking. |
| 03:29.45 | phycho | yeh im running debian |
| 03:29.52 | poop | I can never remember if there's a hyphen, so I usually just use short options. |
| 03:30.01 | stew | phycho: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:30.01 | *** part/#debian Solet-deb (n=Solet@129.130.179.71) |
| 03:30.11 | phycho | latest (unstable) |
| 03:30.16 | poop | not really "so," since I just remember them |
| 03:30.20 | stew | !info pcitools |
| 03:30.40 | PerfDave | Short options take up less space in your brain since they have fewer characters! :) |
| 03:30.44 | abrotman | stew: or not ? |
| 03:30.49 | stew | phycho: i guess its not, but anyway /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 03:31.21 | phycho | gw:/var/log# apt-file |
| 03:31.21 | phycho | -bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 03:31.21 | phycho | haha |
| 03:31.24 | phycho | doesnt exist either |
| 03:31.32 | phycho | (apt-get does) |
| 03:31.33 | stew | phycho: did you /msg dpkg apt-file? |
| 03:31.43 | phycho | yep |
| 03:31.51 | stew | then you know what do to |
| 03:31.52 | phycho | ah nm |
| 03:31.53 | abrotman | !installit |
| 03:31.53 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 03:31.54 | phycho | didnt read it all |
| 03:31.55 | phycho | oops |
| 03:32.02 | poop | hah |
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| 03:32.21 | phycho | just assumed it would be part of apt ;) |
| 03:32.36 | poop | damn, big update |
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| 03:34.06 | Grant_ | does anyone know a good maangement system for debian similar to ISPman, I want something to manage DNS, Apache2, Postfix, FTP, CLAMAV/Spamassasin Just a central system basically |
| 03:34.33 | PerfDave | Grant_: dpkg-reconfigure? :) |
| 03:34.36 | Grant_ | Something that runs off LDAP or MYSQL maybe |
| 03:34.42 | Grant_ | wtf? |
| 03:34.54 | gravity | Something like that doesn't really exist |
| 03:34.58 | Grant_ | hehe no like a webbased maangement system |
| 03:35.03 | gravity | You can sorta do it with postgres I'd imagine |
| 03:35.07 | gravity | ewwwww |
| 03:35.16 | PerfDave | Theyre are no good web-based management systems, the very concept is an anathema *g* |
| 03:35.18 | Grant_ | meh? |
| 03:35.32 | kapil | Grant_: have a look at webmin but i haven't used it myself. |
| 03:35.33 | Grant_ | anathema g? |
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| 03:35.47 | Grant_ | webmin nah, looking for something more like ISPMAN |
| 03:35.50 | gravity | *g* == grin |
| 03:35.56 | phycho | heh |
| 03:36.01 | Grant_ | hehe ok |
| 03:36.05 | abrotman | liar! |
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| 03:36.10 | phycho | what about um... web:cp? |
| 03:36.14 | PerfDave | Anathema G is like Gina G only more miserable |
| 03:36.28 | PerfDave | abrotman: I can SLEEPTYPE, you CHINESE NORWEGIAN! |
| 03:36.37 | [bono] | Question: im behind a nat'ting firewall and msn file transfers doint work... whats the trick? anyone? |
| 03:36.54 | poop | forward a port |
| 03:36.57 | phycho | ya |
| 03:36.57 | PerfDave | [bono]: Don't use MSN, or forward EVERY PORT IN EXISTENCE |
| 03:37.04 | phycho | lol |
| 03:37.07 | abrotman | PerfDave: ennetemal ? |
| 03:37.08 | PerfDave | E-mail is good :) |
| 03:37.20 | phycho | anyone know what runlevel pre-up runs at in debian? |
| 03:37.30 | GaiaX11 | Yesterday i was mounting and accessing my cds. But today i cannot mount any of them. How can i mount them again? Even apt-get cannot access the cds! Someone could help me? It says all the time: "you need to specify the file system". And it is happening with the same cds that i recorded using linux itself!?!?! |
| 03:37.31 | gravity | pre-up? |
| 03:37.32 | poop | pre-up? |
| 03:37.35 | phycho | yeh |
| 03:37.40 | phycho | asin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:37.40 | phycho | pre-up |
| 03:37.42 | abrotman | the same as networkign i assume |
| 03:37.48 | phycho | what level is that then? :P |
| 03:37.49 | PerfDave | abrotman: "ennetemal" is Japanese for "ludicrously short skirt which never quite reveals minge" |
| 03:38.04 | gravity | phycho: Check /etc/rcS.d and rc2.d |
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| 03:38.07 | abrotman | phycho: rcS i think |
| 03:38.12 | phycho | k |
| 03:38.16 | poop | phycho: pre-up is the first thing(s) if{up,down} do |
| 03:38.16 | gravity | phycho: Whichever one has the symlink is the one you're looking for |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | PerfDave: oh... crap . i feel so stupid |
| 03:38.26 | [bono] | PerfDave: im using gaim |
| 03:38.33 | abrotman | you're using MSN |
| 03:38.38 | stew | phycho: find /etc/ -name S\*networking |
| 03:38.42 | mhall | Has somebody got a line on a contact manager that will let me wrangle a flat file of contacts into a more usable form? |
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| 03:38.46 | [bono] | but this hot chick im chatting with uses man... :-) |
| 03:39.04 | mhall | [bono]: hmm might be time to have a look at man woman |
| 03:39.07 | PerfDave | [bono]: She uses man? Don't let her use you! Stand up for yourself! |
| 03:39.09 | Caelum | mhall: openldap? |
| 03:39.16 | PerfDave | mhall: Perl? :) |
| 03:39.23 | gravity | A hot chick who uses man? She's super hot then if she reads manpages! :-) |
| 03:39.34 | mhall | gravity: yeah that's kind of what i was thinking |
| 03:39.37 | gravity | Reading manpages increases anyone's sex appeal a thousand-fold |
| 03:39.47 | gravity | For god's sake, read them! |
| 03:39.48 | mhall | gravity: a female that rtfms is seriously elite |
| 03:39.49 | PerfDave | My girlfriend doesn't read manpages, she uses pinfo *g* |
| 03:39.49 | [bono] | PerfDave: haha! typo! she uses msn ;-) |
| 03:40.03 | mhall | [bono]: shitstick you had us all going for a minute |
| 03:40.04 | phycho | is it just me, or does suphp *seriously* add a large overhead? |
| 03:40.08 | phycho | to php execution |
| 03:40.13 | [bono] | mhall: sorry bout that! :-) |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | gravity: and if you find one that knows about info pages .. damn that's a keeper :) |
| 03:40.15 | mhall | [bono]: but now we're like *evil* |
| 03:40.18 | phycho | takes ages to load up horde |
| 03:40.29 | gravity | abrotman: Heh, so long as she swears off them! :-) |
| 03:40.29 | mhall | abrotman: blecch info is so hard to deal with |
| 03:40.39 | PerfDave | I'm surprised you'd notice a seriously large overhead with PHP, I thought you could only spot ridiculously ginormous ones ;) |
| 03:40.45 | mhall | abrotman: they'd be better off using html and a good text browser |
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| 03:40.54 | pi-meson | so I appear to be running udev in sarge and I don't want to be; but when I try and remove it it spits out this giant-list of gnome packages that are "unused" and will be removed if I go ahead. How can I stop this? |
| 03:40.58 | PerfDave | mhall: pinfo! |
| 03:40.59 | abrotman | mhall: yeah .. if only all the data were in info and man pages .. |
| 03:41.11 | phycho | PerfDave - haha |
| 03:41.22 | Caelum | aha, there's an info addon for vim! |
| 03:41.26 | mhall | PerfDave: yeah it's a pretty clean file and what not, i just need some way to do csv import |
| 03:41.40 | mhall | PerfDave: and i wasn't sure where to go with that |
| 03:41.56 | GaiaX11 | Anyone could help me to mount my cds again? |
| 03:42.04 | cheal | pi-meson: unused? which ones? |
| 03:42.18 | pi-meson | cheal: abiword-common abiword-gnome abiword-help alsa-base alsa-utils at-spi blt... |
| 03:42.33 | Caelum | mhall: there are ldap modules for perl, and Text::CSV |
| 03:42.34 | pi-meson | the list goes on and on |
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| 03:42.35 | stew | pi-meson: gnome-volume-manager depends on udev if you remove udev you lose it, if you remove gnome-volume-manager you lose a bunch of gnome virtual packages such as "gnome" and "gnome-desktop-environment" which dont actually provide any functionality but are there to pull in packages like gnome-volume-manager automatically |
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| 03:42.44 | abrotman | pi-meson: the gnome metapacage depends on udev |
| 03:42.50 | mhall | Caelum: yeah but that doesn't buy me much without a search and update interface |
| 03:42.57 | mhall | Caelum: though i do like your ldap idea |
| 03:43.03 | cheal | pi-meson: could you paste the apt-get remove udev output somewhere? |
| 03:43.04 | abrotman | pi-meson: udev won't kill you (though i hope i never fly on a plane that uses udev) |
| 03:43.06 | mhall | Caelum: my intent was not to keep it in flatfile form |
| 03:43.22 | mhall | Caelum: is there some kind of tool i can use to quickly generate an interface to a mysql table |
| 03:43.34 | gravity | udev is actually pretty hot in reality, it just needs a few more years to *really* stabilize to bulletproofness |
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| 03:43.37 | mhall | Caelum: if so i could just make a table and use awk to generate the insert queries |
| 03:43.43 | Caelum | mhall: yeah, mysql has a program to import csv files |
| 03:43.56 | mhall | Caelum: ok i figured they'd have a bulk loader |
| 03:43.57 | Caelum | mhall: and you can pipe sql statements to mysql |
| 03:44.06 | stew | udev works well for me |
| 03:44.07 | mhall | Caelum: but what about making some kind of web form with php |
| 03:44.15 | mhall | Caelum: is there a tool to speed up that process |
| 03:44.19 | abrotman | gravity: good thing it's being rammed down our throats :) |
| 03:44.31 | gravity | heh |
| 03:44.35 | stew | its not |
| 03:44.35 | gravity | Yeah, pretty much |
| 03:44.47 | Caelum | mhall: mysqlimport |
| 03:44.50 | gravity | Although I've become totally dependant on g-v-m. It saves me lots of time in little ways |
| 03:44.54 | pi-meson | abrotman: well, as I understand it I need video1394 devices of the form /dev/video1394/0, /dev/video1394/1, etc. and I'm not quite sure how I make udev give me that |
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| 03:45.33 | Caelum | mhall: there are a whole bunch of ldap tools, and I'm sure there are some php/whatever based contact managers, don't know any offhand |
| 03:45.34 | stew | i haven't checked out g-v-m yet. i tried for ivman which seems to be the d-e independant solution, but in my attempts to package it i couldnt' get a version running that didn't segfault as soon as i inserted a usb drive |
| 03:45.53 | gravity | g-v-m should be de-independant in all but name |
| 03:45.59 | gravity | In theory at least. I've never really checked |
| 03:46.05 | stew | me neither |
| 03:46.07 | cheal | pi-meson: uh? which release do you run? |
| 03:46.31 | cheal | pi-meson: don't private-message someone before asking permission |
| 03:46.37 | gravity | No, it does link against things like bonobo |
| 03:46.41 | stew | f that |
| 03:46.43 | gravity | Not sure why though. That could be a secondary dependency. |
| 03:46.55 | gravity | That's kinda fucked |
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| 03:47.01 | abrotman | pi-meson: neither am i |
| 03:47.09 | stew | gravity: does g-v-m do actuall desktop related stuff like try to put icons into nautilus or something? |
| 03:47.12 | Caelum | mhall: here you go, http://liqua.com/wbcontacts.html |
| 03:47.35 | gravity | stew: Sorta. It communicates to nautlius somehow, but I assume that's just via dbus with nautlius listening if it's hanging around |
| 03:47.41 | pi-meson | cheal: sarge |
| 03:47.49 | gravity | stew: But then, I've never really looked myself |
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| 03:48.17 | stew | i should try again with ivman but my spare time for crap like that has become limited |
| 03:48.23 | pi-meson | this is a fresh (as of 12 hours ago) sarge install, in fact |
| 03:48.26 | mhall | Caelum: yeah i'll check this tool out if the kde ones don't work |
| 03:48.28 | stew | ^crap^things |
| 03:48.32 | mhall | Caelum: i bookmarked it, thanks |
| 03:49.30 | cheal | pi-meson: can you show the output of # apt-get remove gnome |
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| 03:50.25 | wuming | is there mpeg_encode package in debian? |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | !lame |
| 03:50.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 03:50.47 | pi-meson | cheal: sure, same url but with gnome.log |
| 03:50.53 | Caelum | did the mp3 patent expire or something? |
| 03:50.59 | abrotman | haha |
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| 03:52.06 | PerfDave | Caelum: In sane countries, it doesn't apply |
| 03:52.20 | abrotman | sleep! |
| 03:52.25 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yes, Master |
| 03:52.34 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:55.57 | cheal | pi-meson: hum, another try with deborphan? |
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| 03:58.26 | pi-meson | cheal: do I just run deborphan or deborphan gnome? |
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| 03:59.44 | cheal | pi-meson: # apt-get remove deborphan |
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| 04:01.00 | Boukensya | hey guys, everytime I try and use software raid on my server, the system becomes unstable, freezing randomly |
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| 04:01.14 | pi-meson | cheal: same url, deborphan.log |
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| 04:02.08 | Caelum | Boukensya: try tuning some settings with hdparm, see if there's anything interesting in the logs around the freeze time |
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| 04:03.14 | [bono] | Question: really... how can i do file transfers / voice chat with msn behind a natting firewall? seems that forwarding ports 6891-6900 is not enough anymore... |
| 04:03.16 | loopdee | !multicardreader |
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| 04:04.04 | loopdee | no usb multicard reader for me... |
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| 04:05.13 | happybunny | i think i have lost my mind |
| 04:05.21 | happybunny | i want kde to start at login, not xcfe |
| 04:05.41 | cheal | pi-meson: what does $ apt-cache rdepends gnome; return? |
| 04:05.41 | happybunny | i created .xinitrc and put exec kde or /usr/bin/startkde in it, but it doesn't help |
| 04:05.43 | Boukensya | Caelum, how do I do that? |
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| 04:06.36 | happybunny | have i lost it or am i missing someting? |
| 04:06.40 | loopdee | is to remove a dir or file the xecute or write permission? |
| 04:06.43 | pi-meson | cheal: gnome Reverse Depends : |desktop-base |
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| 04:06.49 | Caelum | happybunny: check ~/.xssession-errors |
| 04:06.57 | Caelum | happybunny: try using .xsession instead |
| 04:07.04 | cheal | pi-meson: huh. what does # apt-get -f install; return? |
| 04:07.16 | happybunny | roger...same thing /usr/bin/startkde? |
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| 04:07.46 | blockd | happybunny: are you using any of xdm, gdm, or kdm? |
| 04:07.54 | happybunny | gdm |
| 04:07.59 | Caelum | [bono]: I think that's the ip_masq_mms module |
| 04:08.08 | happybunny | chooser "should'" be availible right? |
| 04:08.15 | [bono] | Caelum: thanks |
| 04:08.21 | Caelum | loopdee: usb-storage |
| 04:08.26 | happybunny | just switched from xdm to gdm |
| 04:08.33 | pi-meson | cheal : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 04:08.35 | blockd | happybunny: as I recall you should be able to select a KDE session from it (maybe they call it something different) |
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| 04:08.43 | loopdee | !usb-storage |
| 04:08.43 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 04:08.46 | blockd | session vs something else in gdm that is |
| 04:08.48 | loopdee | ty |
| 04:08.51 | DeusGregoQ | ei poracaso essa sala so tem gente do brasil, que eu esta mechendo num negocio de bate papo e nem sei com eu vim parar aqui, sera que vc pode falar comigo um pouco e me dar alguma luz |
| 04:08.52 | Caelum | Boukensya: logs are in /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/messages, see the documentation for hdparm |
| 04:08.53 | happybunny | cool...going to test |
| 04:08.57 | happybunny | thanks |
| 04:08.59 | DeusGregoQ | ei poracaso essa sala so tem gente do brasil, que eu esta mechendo num negocio de bate papo e nem sei com eu vim parar aqui, sera que vc pode falar comigo um pouco e me dar alguma luz |
| 04:09.03 | DeusGregoQ | ei poracaso essa sala so tem gente do brasil, que eu esta mechendo num negocio de bate papo e nem sei com eu vim parar aqui, sera que vc pode falar comigo um pouco e me dar alguma luz |
| 04:09.14 | DeusGregoQ | alguem do brasil ai |
| 04:09.25 | Caelum | gdm reads ~/.xsession |
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| 04:09.26 | DeusGregoQ | alguem do brasil ai |
| 04:09.31 | DeusGregoQ | alguem do brasil ai |
| 04:09.41 | loopdee | hmm, i loaded usb-storage and sd_mod was already loaded, but usb drive does not show as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something? |
| 04:09.42 | blockd | that's portuguese... right? #debian-br maybe? |
| 04:09.49 | DeusGregoQ | alguem do brasil ai |
| 04:10.09 | cheal | pi-meson: are you using debfoster? |
| 04:10.16 | DeusGregoQ | alguem do brasil ai |
| 04:10.19 | cheal | !br |
| 04:10.19 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:10.25 | pi-meson | cheal: I'm not sure, what's debfoster? |
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| 04:10.37 | cheal | pi-meson: a package. is it installed? |
| 04:11.33 | DeusGregoQ | e como eu fasso isso???????????? |
| 04:11.33 | pi-meson | dpkg -l debfoster reports no packages found |
| 04:11.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching debfoster reports no packages found |
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| 04:11.55 | pi-meson | oops, sorry about that. silly bot. |
| 04:12.10 | loopdee | !bttv |
| 04:12.10 | dpkg | bttv is probably a driver for the bt848/bt878 tv tuner chip which is on most tv tuner card and you can find it at http://www.strusel007.de/linux/bttv/, or moved to http://www.metzlerbros.de/bttv.html. MPEG-2 cards like PVR-250s should see {ivtv} |
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| 04:13.17 | cheal | pi-meson: unless it's deborphan, I don't see what would cause that. since you just installed, did you do something...particular, with APT? |
| 04:13.37 | loopdee | is anyone here happy with their ati in linux? |
| 04:13.45 | gravity | I am |
| 04:13.56 | loopdee | what do you have? |
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| 04:14.06 | gravity | An IGP in my laptop. It works for what I need. |
| 04:14.52 | loopdee | do you use ati proprietary driver? |
| 04:14.55 | gravity | Nope |
| 04:15.01 | loopdee | :) |
| 04:15.10 | gravity | I don't do gaming really, so I don't care about that |
| 04:15.19 | gravity | Well, I do game a little, but it's all console |
| 04:15.33 | pi-meson | cheal: I swear, i didn't do anything special at all. I haven't done any strange pinning, no bizzare tricks with aptitude... |
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| 04:16.21 | loopdee | nethack? |
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| 04:16.54 | gravity | Heh, once a year or so. I have a gamecube. Most of my stuff is working on letting other people play games really :-) |
| 04:18.01 | Boukensya | Caelum, I think the reason is because it is building the array (but didn't tell me that) |
| 04:18.02 | loopdee | i got cedega and do not think ill ever use it, i only play 1 or 2 games once in a while and they dont work too great |
| 04:18.07 | Boukensya | I think I just have to wait a few hours |
| 04:18.14 | Caelum | Boukensya: yup |
| 04:18.17 | loopdee | i heard nvidia is better in linux |
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| 04:18.38 | gravity | Depends on what you want to do |
| 04:18.41 | Boukensya | so not really becoming unstable (as I can still ping it) just slowing things down HEAPS |
| 04:18.45 | DeusGregoQ | nessa sala todos falam portugues, pq eu estava nas outras e todos so falam em ingles, sera que alguem faria a gentileza de me responder por favor??????????? |
| 04:18.55 | loopdee | you opengl programming? |
| 04:18.57 | gravity | !br |
| 04:18.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 04:19.05 | Caelum | Boukensya: so it's in the background? |
| 04:19.07 | gravity | loopdee: No, I work on X |
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| 04:19.15 | loopdee | oh |
| 04:19.27 | Boukensya | prolly is, just too slow to check |
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| 04:19.30 | loopdee | well, thanks for eveything you have done , I love it so far |
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| 04:19.44 | gravity | Heh, you're welcome |
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| 04:20.13 | Caelum | Boukensya: it shouldn't be THAT slow, I mean you should still be able to log in and run commands |
| 04:20.23 | Boukensya | well it does sometimes |
| 04:20.34 | Boukensya | but then picks up a little later |
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| 04:21.04 | loopdee | i cant get my usb multicard reader thing working, have to putz at it a bit more... i th |
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| 04:22.27 | Boukensya | Caelum, its like it has peaks |
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| 04:22.37 | kfogel | Did a full dist-upgrade to latest 'testing' dist, now when I SSH to remote machines in an xterm, my Meta key (Alt key) no longer works in Emacs, it sends some odd combination of codes that has quite a randomizing effect. Before this upgrade, it worked fine, i.e., behaved like a true Meta key. Anyone know what might be causing this? |
| 04:24.27 | Caelum | Boukensya: that's probably ok then... just check in top to make sure |
| 04:24.29 | cheal | pi-meson: what does # apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes remove gnome; output? |
| 04:24.58 | ReverendGoatse | Yar, why does the only active channel have to be so confusing. |
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| 04:26.43 | levander | Anybody know how to view revision differences in an svk repository using meld? |
| 04:26.52 | pi-meson | cheal: it prints "starting starting 2 done The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome" with appropriate line breaks |
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| 04:28.02 | cheal | pi-meson: so, the same thing as # apt-get remove gnome, but with a "starting starting 2 done"? |
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| 04:28.22 | pi-meson | cheal: yes |
| 04:28.27 | dondelelcaro | kfogel: could be bunches of things; really depends what you've got set in Xresources and what alt is actually sending. |
| 04:28.49 | dondelelcaro | kfogel: previously, alt was assumed to be meta, but this has changed; you may not be actually sending meta. |
| 04:28.55 | dondelelcaro | kfogel: use xev; to figure that out. |
| 04:29.02 | FliesLikeABrick | whats the command to show the kernel currently running? |
| 04:29.15 | pi-meson | FliesLikeABrick: uname -a |
| 04:29.20 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks |
| 04:29.24 | FliesLikeABrick | for some reason i can never remember it |
| 04:29.25 | dondelelcaro | (and possibly xmodmap -e 'keysym Alt_L = Meta_L') |
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| 04:29.58 | kfogel | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 04:32.14 | ice_1963 | hello |
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| 04:33.09 | ice_1963 | how can i install nvidia driver in xserver-xorg pl |
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| 04:34.09 | kingrayray | so when i'm building the kernel myself, after make, should i still do make modules_install? i'm kinda confused cause someone said something about making debs? |
| 04:34.11 | cheal | !tell ice_1963 about nvidia-howto |
| 04:34.21 | ice_1963 | not xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:34.33 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 04:34.35 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: use make-kpkg; you only need modules_install if you're building third party modules. |
| 04:34.47 | cheal | ice_1963: it's basically the same the same. if you can't adapt, ask us |
| 04:35.02 | kingrayray | ah.. i plan to install the ati fglrx driver after i get this kernelw working.. does that make any difference? |
| 04:35.15 | cheal | pi-meson: what does # apt-get remove gnome abiword-common+; output? |
| 04:35.58 | ice_1963 | no it's not the same i tried |
| 04:36.27 | cheal | ice_1963: *basically* the same |
| 04:36.53 | deadcat__ | i am officially on udev )= |
| 04:37.07 | ice_1963 | it install's in sarge but not in sid |
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| 04:37.18 | TerrapinOrange | Hey folks. I'm having some serious linker issues after attempting a dist-upgrade. As far as I can tell, I can't run anything on my system other than /lib/ld-linux.so.2 and ldconfig. I think I need to force the linker to ignore some libraries. I could delete them, but even rm isn't working. Can anyone help? |
| 04:37.19 | pi-meson | cheal: just says it's going to remove gnome |
| 04:37.57 | SimonRaven | glibc change that puked, and haven't checked the bts. first guess |
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| 04:38.15 | kingrayray | dondelelcaro: does "third party" include like, installing the proprietary ati driver after? |
| 04:38.22 | cheal | pi-meson: surprising, but that may be helpful. you could try # apt-get remove udev abiword-common+ |
| 04:38.42 | deadcat | gonna compile .14.3 on my ppc. any gotcha's ? |
| 04:38.45 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: no; it means building things like modules that have been packaged explicitely for Debian that build packages that you can install. |
| 04:38.53 | TerrapinOrange | Sorry, the bts? I think you might be right. I found a similar issue on the mailing list, but it basically suggested I delete a directory, which I can't do at the moment. |
| 04:38.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: none that I saw when I built it |
| 04:38.56 | kingrayray | ahh, okay thanks for clarifying :) |
| 04:38.58 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 04:38.58 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 04:39.09 | TerrapinOrange | Thank you. |
| 04:39.10 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: fe, mol-modules-source |
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| 04:39.17 | kingrayray | yeah i getcha =) |
| 04:39.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cool when i upgrade linux-wlan-ng it upgraded me to udev, but after i switch back to hotplug some shit wont work. )= i am using it now. |
| 04:39.35 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh. you'll like what I just got a bit ago |
| 04:39.50 | dondelelcaro | oh. I've no clue about linux-wlan-ng |
| 04:39.55 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:39.55 | kingrayray | er.. what package provides make-kpkg? lol |
| 04:39.55 | TerrapinOrange | I believe this is the problem I'm having: |
| 04:39.56 | TerrapinOrange | http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2005/03/msg00145.html |
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| 04:40.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i got a laser printer (= rocking. |
| 04:40.14 | TerrapinOrange | There are solutions listed, but they require running commands that don't want to work for me. |
| 04:40.18 | kingrayray | er nvm. :x |
| 04:40.25 | TerrapinOrange | if I could get even rm to work, I think I could fix it. |
| 04:40.51 | ice_1963 | well i'm running ati right now can someone help ?? |
| 04:41.48 | dondelelcaro | TerrapinOrange: can you give us the exact error that you're getting? |
| 04:42.10 | kingrayray | ok nvm i'm stumped, i don't appear to have make-kpkg, and i can't find the package it's in. anybody care to give me a freebie? ;P |
| 04:42.31 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: kernel-package |
| 04:42.32 | benjamindees | ice_1963, "running" ati? |
| 04:42.40 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra; |
| 04:42.44 | TerrapinOrange | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.49 | kingrayray | gotcha, thanks lol |
| 04:42.59 | ice_1963 | how to install ati driver |
| 04:43.32 | SimonRaven | yup. that's in the bts |
| 04:43.54 | ice_1963 | in kernel-image-2.6.12-k7 |
| 04:44.11 | TerrapinOrange | It's bug #300806. I'm just n ot sure how to fix it without being able to run any basic commands. |
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| 04:44.23 | TerrapinOrange | It's a remote server unfortunately. |
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| 04:44.35 | wuming | is there any mpeg_encoder in debian? |
| 04:44.43 | wuming | convert ppm tp mpeg? |
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| 04:45.02 | dondelelcaro | wuming: use convert |
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| 04:45.24 | Kruzayn | anyone suggest a non-destructive partition tool i can (free) to shrink my ntfs partition to enable me to make a partition for linux |
| 04:45.31 | odla | Kruzayn: ntfsresize |
| 04:45.37 | purgatory | does anyone know of a free swf decompiler? |
| 04:45.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: make-kpkg displays lots of "=======" now eh? what up with that |
| 04:46.03 | kingrayray | final stupid question, where does make-dpkg put the result? |
| 04:46.11 | kingrayray | with the kernel. |
| 04:46.14 | SimonRaven | .. |
| 04:46.28 | benjamindees | Kruzayn, www.sysresccd.org |
| 04:46.30 | deadcat | kingrayray: /usr/src |
| 04:46.30 | wuming | dondelelcaro: is convert a package? |
| 04:46.36 | kingrayray | mk thanks.. haha |
| 04:46.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's the new 10.XX version; Manoj outdid himself |
| 04:46.38 | deadcat | wuming: its a command |
| 04:46.50 | blockd | wuming: it should come with ImageMagick |
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| 04:46.55 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hahaha. read something about it on the weekly news |
| 04:47.03 | cheal | wuming: static image to mpeg? what kind of mpeg do you have in mind? |
| 04:47.30 | wuming | cheal mpeg2 |
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| 04:47.38 | benjamindees | ice_1963, for what purpose? |
| 04:47.40 | Kruzayn | odd i tried using gtparted form a live cd, and it wouldnt let me resize the ntfs partition |
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| 04:47.44 | OFfm3 | anyone know if i should go to sempron64 2800+ 1.6 or celeron D 326 2.6? |
| 04:47.53 | cheal | wuming: isn't this still an image to video conversion? |
| 04:48.05 | purgatory | go AMD! |
| 04:48.08 | purgatory | fo sho |
| 04:48.13 | wuming | cheal:yes |
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| 04:48.38 | grimR | could u try cfdisk to resize? |
| 04:48.40 | cheal | wuming: hum, so you want to do a video where there's no image movement? |
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| 04:49.19 | Kruzayn | hmm im not the most literate with linux yet, so my knowledge of the commands is weak |
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| 04:50.07 | purgatory | has anyone cracked the lid on this Pandora project? |
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| 04:51.42 | TerrapinOrange | I think I fixed it. Thanks for helping out SimonRaven and dondelelcaro. |
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| 04:52.23 | wuming | deadcat:how convert works? |
| 04:52.31 | SimonRaven | np |
| 04:54.06 | nar | I want to customise debian sarge from a fresh install in a semi automated way. What simple tool is good for this? I was about to use patch but I suspect there are better ways. |
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| 04:54.52 | deadcat | wuming: convert blah.jpg blah.gif (= |
| 04:54.58 | ice_1963 | benj i've installed nvidia driver in sarge but i'm running testing right now with ati video card and would like to know how to install driver's ati |
| 04:55.03 | deadcat | wuming: man convert for nice options. |
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| 04:55.09 | methodix | what is a good dvd ripper for debian? |
| 04:55.16 | purgatory | nar: patch? what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 04:55.19 | deadcat | can i sort the musics in the iriver? mine is UMS |
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| 04:55.36 | alex6z | Hi, I am looking for an interface unit that works with GNU/Linux. It needs to have >=8 analog/bool inputs and 8 outputs that could for example control relays. I am trying to control a furnace :). It needs to come with some kind of software, or I can (learn) to program it in C to control the inputs/outputs, maybe a driver that makes /dev/somename/inputs that could be used easly in a program? Anyone know of this kind of hardware? If's f |
| 04:55.36 | alex6z | or Christmas, so I have to get it soon! |
| 04:55.52 | wuming | deadcat: how about convert 100 ppm file to a mpeg |
| 04:56.04 | lethias | having trouble using mkinitrd for kernel 2.6.14.2 under sarge 3.1 |
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| 04:56.20 | lethias | It won't make the initrd for the kernel. |
| 04:56.32 | purgatory | alex6z: go to radio shack |
| 04:56.39 | purgatory | by a book on electrical engineering |
| 04:56.51 | alex6z | wuming, ImageMagic -> convert ? |
| 04:56.54 | deadcat | wuming: mpeg is something else. convert only does images. ffmpeg or mencoder for video |
| 04:56.54 | nar | purgatory: Setup a series of machines with identical configurations but different hostnames, network settings and so forth |
| 04:57.04 | Kluster_v2 | cd |
| 04:57.12 | alex6z | pureone, uhhh I don't know what the guy there might say |
| 04:57.21 | Kluster_v2 | oops.. wrong window again, sry |
| 04:57.30 | wuming | deadcat:i c. |
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| 04:58.42 | purgatory | nar: ah I see, dunno I am a new to debian, worked on something like that for openbsd tho |
| 04:58.53 | deadcat | if hotplug is purged. can i rm -rf /etc/hotplug* ? |
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| 04:59.07 | nar | purgatory: An example would be to change sshd settings identacally on them all but /etc/network/interfaces would differ on each machine |
| 04:59.15 | benjamindees | nar, FAI is one |
| 04:59.40 | ice_1963 | i gess it's time go googleing for ati |
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| 04:59.47 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 05:00.44 | nar | benjamindees: I am frightend of the learning curve. I was wondering if people use sed, patch, perl,.... |
| 05:00.46 | elephantMan | A localconnection crashed - I had a server file opened on the client, i closed the software and it deleted the original file !!! Is there a way i can recreate it ? Tmp files ? |
| 05:00.54 | benjamindees | nar, autoinstall is another |
| 05:01.06 | elephantMan | The file was opened via samba |
| 05:01.10 | elephantMan | share |
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| 05:01.14 | kingrayray | ok i can't figure out make-kpkg, i am not sure what it is doing aside from building, and i do not really understand what it does |
| 05:01.19 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2005/12_december/volo_20051205/017_volo_three_quarters_20051205.jpg?width=1600 |
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| 05:01.30 | nar | benjamindees: I will look at autoinstall |
| 05:01.35 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2005/12_december/volo_20051205/017_volo_three_quarters_20051205.jpg ... |
| 05:01.40 | dondelelcaro | (if you missed the previous one) |
| 05:01.40 | deadcat_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.51 | purgatory | nice benjamindees |
| 05:01.52 | benjamindees | nar, I use bash scripts, but I think some of those other things work better across distros |
| 05:02.03 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: holy crap... when did that happen? (= |
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| 05:02.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: just on monday |
| 05:02.31 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: they had them for ~ 1.5K on campus, and I couldn't say no. |
| 05:02.33 | deadcat_ | hehe. nice |
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| 05:02.41 | deadcat_ | (= nice deal |
| 05:02.43 | foo | err, my sound isn't working. I am not getting any errors in the logs. It just stopped working. Last time I had this problem I restarted alsa.. but this time I restart alsa and it still doesn't work. Any ideas? |
| 05:02.52 | purgatory | debian on a mac hu? |
| 05:02.54 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: and the old one? |
| 05:03.09 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: still going strong; probably going to stick a new backlight in the thing eventually |
| 05:03.21 | deadcat_ | nice |
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| 05:03.43 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: but no wireless though. time to invest in a pcmcia or usb (= |
| 05:03.44 | dondelelcaro | trying now to get the airport extreeme and sound working |
| 05:03.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: actually, that may be working now.... |
| 05:04.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de |
| 05:04.48 | purgatory | did you keep osX on there dondelelcaro? |
| 05:04.50 | nar | benjamindees: That is what I was thinking of using too. What tool do you use if you have to change a line like "PasswordAuthentication no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 05:05.02 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: wow.. last time it was like 70% done with the code or something |
| 05:05.04 | dondelelcaro | purgatory: for the time being, yes; I've never bothered with using it. |
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| 05:05.11 | deadcat_ | damn i just miss the intro of Lost (ABC) DOH |
| 05:05.12 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Holy mother, is that a 17"? |
| 05:05.15 | vulture | nar: ViM.. or just about any other editor.. |
| 05:05.16 | dondelelcaro | Phated: yeah |
| 05:05.17 | deadcat_ | time to bt the thing (= |
| 05:05.21 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Fuckyoo. |
| 05:05.27 | deadcat_ | Phated: hes loaded (= |
| 05:05.28 | nar | benjamindees: patch will do it but a new version can change offsets |
| 05:05.37 | Phated | deadcat_: Yeah, no shit. |
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| 05:05.44 | purgatory | how did you resize the partition? any problems with dual booting? |
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| 05:05.45 | lethias | I need help on using mkinitrd, trouble creating an initrd-2.6.14.2 for my new kernel. |
| 05:05.48 | kingrayray | after I run make-kpkg, what do i do? i can't find an output deb or anything like that? (sorry i just do not know what i am doing, the manpage just confused me x.x) |
| 05:05.59 | Phated | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 05:06.05 | deadcat_ | ok. i am having trouble compiling 2.6.14.3 on the ibook. .12 works fine. same .config with few simple modules added |
| 05:06.16 | nar | vulture: I was after a scripted tool |
| 05:06.33 | vulture | nar: Why? |
| 05:06.33 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: after you've run make-kpkg .... kernel_image; cd ..; and dpkg -i kernel-image-yadayadayada.deb |
| 05:06.40 | lethias | mines a Thinkpad |
| 05:06.47 | deadcat_ | brb. food time. i am getting dizzy (= |
| 05:06.53 | benjamindees | alex6z, controlling relays via the parallel port is trivial |
| 05:06.54 | deadcat_ | lethias: this is a ppc channel now heheh |
| 05:06.55 | kingrayray | kernel_image is a command? i don't have it. |
| 05:06.56 | jbroome | <aol>mine too!</aol> |
| 05:06.59 | nar | vulture: I am looking to do automated customisation |
| 05:07.01 | kingrayray | and there's no deb in /usr/src.. |
| 05:07.06 | lethias | lol |
| 05:07.26 | purgatory | its trivial until you fry your mobo |
| 05:07.26 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: it'll be in the next higher directory of wherever you built the kernel. |
| 05:07.29 | alex6z | benjamindees, ok :/ I might try that |
| 05:07.35 | benjamindees | alex6z, http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/parallel_output.html |
| 05:07.43 | kingrayray | dondelelcaro: then it must not have worked properly.. hmm |
| 05:07.56 | foo | err, my sound isn't working. I am not getting any errors in the logs. It just stopped working. Last time I had this problem I restarted alsa.. but this time I restart alsa and it still doesn't work. Any ideas? |
| 05:08.04 | foo | I cannot get this. hmm |
| 05:08.15 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: if it worked properly, you should have seen a lot of output, culiminating in dpkg-deb: building package `kernel-image-2.6.15-rc5-volo' in `../kernel-image-2.6.15-rc5-volo_20051207_powerpc.deb'. |
| 05:08.17 | alex6z | benjamindees, thanks for helping :) |
| 05:08.23 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: for example. |
| 05:08.24 | kingrayray | the last output i get is |
| 05:08.29 | kingrayray | echo done > stamp-kernel-configure |
| 05:08.29 | kingrayray | echo done > stamp-configure |
| 05:08.58 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: uh... that's looks like it's just the clean target |
| 05:09.12 | alex6z | This program is smart |
| 05:09.17 | alex6z | oops |
| 05:09.23 | kingrayray | i configured it, ran make, then did make-kpkg |
| 05:09.41 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: you don't need to run make; you just need to run the kp mantra. |
| 05:09.43 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 05:09.44 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
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| 05:10.01 | dondelelcaro | (without the export MAKEFLAGS if you're building a kernel >> 2.6.14) |
| 05:10.13 | kingrayray | oooh, okay i'll give that a spin. thanks :) |
| 05:10.18 | purgatory | is anyone using the amd64 port yet? |
| 05:10.24 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: kp mantra =~ s/export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" && // |
| 05:10.24 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 05:13.12 | aeronadix | I wanted to use fdisk, but I don't seem to have it, and when I try to install it says it's been replaced by util-linux, which I do have installed, But How do I use util-linux? |
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| 05:14.14 | purgatory | man util-linux? |
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| 05:14.25 | benjamindees | aeronadix, su root |
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| 05:14.47 | aeronadix | no man for it |
| 05:14.48 | Kruz | can QtParted resize ntfs non destructivly? |
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| 05:14.58 | poop | Kruz: sometimes |
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| 05:15.29 | poop | Kruz: Sometimes it just doesn't do anything. |
| 05:15.30 | Kruz | ehhh lol, im looking to resize my ntfs to fit a partition for linux+swap...any better tools semi easy to use |
| 05:15.33 | odla | Kruz: use ntfsresize |
| 05:15.36 | benjamindees | Kruz, ntfsresize |
| 05:15.45 | Kruz | ok thanks heh :) |
| 05:16.34 | wuming | is that possible to comple ucb mpeg_encode for debian? |
| 05:16.52 | poop | What else does it compile on? |
| 05:17.36 | Kruz | useage?: cd /mnt/hda5 ; ntfsresize 7500 |
| 05:17.54 | purgatory | aeronadix: apt-cache showpkg util-linux |
| 05:18.02 | purgatory | sorry i would check but not on the deb comp |
| 05:18.06 | benjamindees | Kruz, man ntfsresize |
| 05:18.17 | Kruz | right i always forget that thanks alot ! :) |
| 05:18.46 | benjamindees | Kruz, make sure the disk is not mounted first |
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| 05:19.33 | dondelelcaro | aeronadix: the package is util-linux, the binary is still fdisk. |
| 05:20.11 | odla | Kruz: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 05:20.11 | Kruz | and make sure i defrag 1st i take it.. |
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| 05:20.34 | odla | Kruz: scroll down to 'how to use ntfsresize from command line?" |
| 05:20.35 | aeronadix | hey sorry for the waiste, I should have tried running it su like benjamindees siad |
| 05:20.40 | aeronadix | thank dondelelcaro |
| 05:20.52 | Kruz | ok thanks alot |
| 05:21.12 | odla | Kruz: very nice easy to follow instructions...disregrad the floppy drive stuff if it doesn't apply |
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| 05:24.05 | Dewi | is it possible to make gnome and kde apps log warnings some some kind of log, instead of all over the console I launche them from? |
| 05:24.16 | Dewi | I mean apart from redirecting each and every program I run |
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| 05:26.32 | benjamindees | Dewi, point /dev/stderr to where you want |
| 05:27.16 | Dewi | benjamindees: I don't really want to silence everything, just the pages of "warnings" and crap a non-developer doesn't care about |
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| 05:28.21 | purgatory | dewi: ./app 2>/dev/null |
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| 05:28.23 | purgatory | ?? |
| 05:28.35 | benjamindees | don't worry my suggestion doesn't work anyways :) |
| 05:28.37 | jdrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.54 | Dewi | purgatory: having to remember to do that for every app I run - and having it wipe away my scrollback if I forget - is getting tedious |
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| 05:29.02 | jmd_ | What package(s) do I need to install to get X to properly mozilla to properly render Intl Phonetic Alphabet glyphs ?? |
| 05:29.35 | seth | hi i'm planning to roll out many debian machines. I've been reading the debian install manual + preseed method. I follow the netboot preseed method. However what is the 'initrd' method? |
| 05:29.49 | deadcat_ | include/linux/ioprio.h:56: warning: implicit declaration of function 'task_nice' |
| 05:29.51 | deadcat_ | make[3]: *** [drivers/ide/ide-disk.o] Error 1 |
| 05:29.55 | deadcat_ | what up with this? |
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| 05:30.04 | deadcat_ | 2.6.14.3 |
| 05:30.40 | Invisible_Slack | Can anyone tell me what packages I need to install to be able to start compiling a 2.6.x Kernel? |
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| 05:31.17 | jdrake | kernel-package, do a search for that and you should find instructions |
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| 05:32.38 | blockd | Dewi: /if/ you're starting them from the shell, you could do something like "exec 2>/dev/null; kapp; kapp2; kapp3" |
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| 05:33.10 | poop | I wonder when the new nvidia drivers will get packaged. |
| 05:33.27 | deadcat_ | !diys |
| 05:33.28 | poop | s-video looks like shit currently |
| 05:33.56 | purgatory | dewi: why do you need to see the output of a gnome/kde app anyways? just add it to the menu and run it from there |
| 05:35.48 | Dewi | purgatory: I never use unix machines with a monitor, so I'm starting these apps using ssh from a terminal |
| 05:36.30 | Dewi | purgatory: I suppose I could run a gnome or kde session using VNC, but that's incredibly unstable in gnome on debian |
| 05:36.39 | Dewi | kde seems to work okay though |
| 05:37.26 | poop | If I install grub on /dev/sda3 and load it with lilo, it gets to stage2.. |
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| 05:38.23 | poop | I read about them a long time ago and what I got was: similar but air2pc has newer hardware |
| 05:38.28 | poop | woops |
| 05:38.33 | purgatory | dewi: you might be able to re-compile to disable these messages but it doesnt look like there is a simple way |
| 05:38.50 | purgatory | dewi: other than making a script to auto redirect the err for you |
| 05:38.53 | Dewi | purgatory: oh well. thanks anyway. |
| 05:39.07 | vega- | Dewi: create an alias for the apps you use most often |
| 05:39.34 | Dewi | purgatory: why does it seem like I'm the only person who wants to run linux GUIs over a network? |
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| 05:40.47 | Guerin | Dewi: use xdmcp |
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| 05:41.15 | Dewi | nobody here seems familiar with VNC, and they say "use X over ssh" but it's slow, fragile, and I get all this terminal spam |
| 05:41.23 | purgatory | dewi: i do also but i dont usually get those messages |
| 05:41.38 | purgatory | dewi: poorly designed apps... it is very annoying |
| 05:42.01 | Solet-deb | hey is there a way to make nautilus2.8.2 open folders in the same window instead of a new window |
| 05:42.03 | Dewi | Guerin: people keep saying that's really outdated |
| 05:42.10 | vega- | in particular kde apps print all kind of crap |
| 05:42.16 | vega- | Solet-deb: yes |
| 05:42.29 | Dewi | Guerin: I haven't really tried it... freenx looks good but wasn't packaged in debian last time I checked |
| 05:42.32 | Solet-deb | how? |
| 05:42.42 | Solet-deb | i wasnt finding it in preferences |
| 05:42.44 | Dewi | vega-: yeah. Which annoyed me, but some gnome ones do it too |
| 05:42.47 | Coweater | how can i change the version response given out when nmap scans my ssh port? |
| 05:42.50 | vega- | Solet-deb: preferences / always open in browser windows |
| 05:43.03 | vega- | Solet-deb: not very obvious :) |
| 05:43.17 | Invisible_Slack | Ok I'm trying to install a 2.6.x Kernel Source but I'm not sure what other packages need to be installed how would I go about installing the source and packages for 2.6.x support? |
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| 05:43.30 | Guerin | Dewi: what do you care more about; people saying something's outdated, or being able to run a whole remote x environment on a local x server? |
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| 05:43.41 | Guerin | because that's what xdmcp will allow you to do |
| 05:43.49 | benjamindees | can anybody else get to cfs.sourceforge.net on port 2401 ? |
| 05:43.57 | benjamindees | oops, cvs.sourceforge.net |
| 05:43.57 | deadcat_ | make[3]: *** [drivers/ide/ide-disk.o] Error 1 |
| 05:44.09 | deadcat_ | what up with this? |
| 05:44.12 | Guerin | and it's fast, and as long as you're dealing with trusted machines, you needn't worry about encryption and so on |
| 05:44.24 | Guerin | deadcat_: it's an error, dawg |
| 05:44.28 | benjamindees | deadcat, vanilla sources? debian version? |
| 05:44.37 | deadcat_ | benjamindees: kernel.org source |
| 05:44.39 | Solet-deb | where is the always open in browser windows |
| 05:44.42 | deadcat_ | Guerin: i know |
| 05:44.56 | vega- | benjamindees: connects with telnet yes |
| 05:45.02 | vega- | Solet-deb: preferences -> behaviour |
| 05:45.18 | Solet-deb | ah found it |
| 05:45.27 | Solet-deb | it was hiding with ratio buttons... |
| 05:46.23 | Solet-deb | i'm not exactly liking the new look to it... but i'll live :P thanks vega |
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| 05:47.06 | deadcat_ | benjamindees: know what up? |
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| 05:47.19 | benjamindees | deadcat_, dunno, I built that version on Sarge earlier no prob |
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| 05:47.44 | Guerin | deadcat_: so why are you asking stupid questions? |
| 05:47.53 | deadcat_ | Guerin: i dont know. |
| 05:47.56 | Solet-deb | atleast i dont have 82.6 million nautilus windows everywhere anymoe |
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| 05:48.03 | Solet-deb | s/anymoe/anymore |
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| 05:48.05 | hikenboot | figured i would ask since none else seems to know... anyone know what the executable for NXClient is ..its in no docs and has no man page |
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| 05:48.35 | Arsion | question, anyway to have X on another box but be able to say mirror its desktop onto WinXp? |
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| 05:49.19 | Solet-deb | mirc pwns... the only downside is that its a fuckin windows app |
| 05:49.30 | Loonix | hello wiered souls |
| 05:49.32 | Guerin | um |
| 05:49.37 | Solet-deb | mirc scripts have made me some money in the past |
| 05:49.40 | deadcat_ | wine it |
| 05:49.41 | jbroome | wired or wierd? |
| 05:49.46 | Guerin | there are *WAY* more downsides to it than that |
| 05:49.46 | Arsion | Solet-deb: its why i only chat on my win box |
| 05:49.49 | Solet-deb | that takes effort |
| 05:49.58 | jbroome | irssi |
| 05:50.27 | Guerin | it's proprietary, it's ugly and bloated, it's got its own braindead useless scripting language instead of something sane and cross-platform, it's *disgustingly* insecure... |
| 05:50.29 | Dewi | aah, mirc. ugly, broken, insecure and nag-ridden. Did I leave anything out? |
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| 05:50.40 | Guerin | Dewi: broken more or less covers it |
| 05:50.50 | jbroome | Dewi: obnoxious |
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| 05:51.31 | Loonix | how do i use mirc on linux ? |
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| 05:51.54 | Loonix | can i use it thru wine ? |
| 05:51.57 | Guerin | Loonix: first you get a big hammer, then you smash your PC with it, then you smash your face with it |
| 05:52.00 | streuner_ | Loonix: why would someone want that? |
| 05:52.02 | deadcat_ | wine it |
| 05:52.11 | seth | anyone successfully installed debian using initrd over the network? |
| 05:52.22 | Guerin | if you don't have a hammer, use a brick, or a skillet, or a big knife would do, too |
| 05:52.23 | stasis | does it absolutely need to be mirc, there are alternatives... |
| 05:52.27 | Loonix | Guerin = dirt bag |
| 05:52.37 | odla | Guerin = funny |
| 05:52.38 | Guerin | Loonix = fuck tard |
| 05:52.43 | deadcat_ | (= |
| 05:52.47 | odla | Loonix: use irssi-text |
| 05:52.47 | Guerin | !mirc on wine |
| 05:52.47 | dpkg | well, mirc on wine is double the wrongness! |
| 05:52.49 | poop | Is grub trying to be too smart here, if lilo is working and it is not? |
| 05:52.53 | odla | he he |
| 05:52.56 | Loonix | funny in the head |
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| 05:53.13 | odla | !best irc client |
| 05:53.13 | dpkg | irssi-text is, like, probably the best IRC client |
| 05:53.39 | streuner_ | Loonix: Can you answer our questions other than insulting people? |
| 05:53.40 | aeronadix | my disk is partitions as windowsXP /dev/hda1, debian /dev/hda2, and suse /dewv/hda3, I wanna delete suse and format it as blank drive for use with debian, how to do it using fdisk? |
| 05:53.55 | Loonix | Guerin Loonix: first you get a big hammer, then you smash your PC with it, then you smash your face with itº |
| 05:53.56 | Loonix | Guerin Loonix: first you get a big hammer, then you smash your PC with it, then you smash your face with itº |
| 05:53.57 | Loonix | Guerin Loonix: first you get a big hammer, then you smash your PC with it, then you smash your face with itº |
| 05:53.58 | odla | aeronadix: fdisk /dev/hda |
| 05:54.01 | Loonix | Guerin Loonix: first you get a big hammer, then you smash your PC with it, then you smash your face with itº |
| 05:54.03 | Guerin | sho' nuff |
| 05:54.04 | Loonix | Guerin Loonix: first you get a big hammer, then you smash your PC with it, then you smash your face with itº |
| 05:54.07 | Loonix | Guerin Loonix: first you get a big hammer, then you smash your PC with it, then you smash your face with itº |
| 05:54.09 | benjamindees | !ops Loonix |
| 05:54.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Loonix |
| 05:54.09 | streuner_ | oh, a troll :-) |
| 05:54.11 | odla | dondelelcaro: can you boot loonix |
| 05:54.12 | Guerin | that's the quality of your average mirctard |
| 05:54.13 | Loonix | streuner_ are you enlightned ? |
| 05:54.19 | streuner_ | haha |
| 05:54.29 | deadcat_ | he can flood AND dont get kick.. i pasted 3 lines and gets d/c'ed |
| 05:54.45 | Guerin | deadcat_: he has rate limiting on |
| 05:54.54 | Loonix | streuner_ = ass hole |
| 05:54.59 | deadcat_ | ah |
| 05:55.01 | d03boy | how do I use zip to make a new zip file? I want to add the contents of a directory to it |
| 05:55.13 | Guerin | d03boy: man zip |
| 05:55.17 | odla | aeronadix: then use the delete command |
| 05:55.31 | deadcat_ | hmm. why do i get "rm: cannot remove `debian/stamp-conf': Read-only file system" when df shows its rw? |
| 05:55.37 | deadcat_ | thats my /usr |
| 05:55.48 | aeronadix | odla, ok |
| 05:55.48 | deadcat_ | maybe thats why i cant compile (= |
| 05:55.57 | deadcat_ | fucked up ibook hd i have here. |
| 05:56.08 | odla | aeronadix: it's pretty easy to use...just use the list command (l) |
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| 05:56.59 | aeronadix | I am having trouble creating the partition, I do n for new partition and then follow along, but it become somthing like /dev/hdap3, I guess that ok, I dunno, but I have to mount it on something too |
| 05:57.32 | odla | aeronadix: dev/hdap3? do you mean /dev/hda3? |
| 05:58.06 | odla | aeronadix: you could create a vfat partition and edit your /etc/fstab file |
| 05:58.23 | aeronadix | no, thats what I am getting confused about it goes as /dev/hdap3, cause it ask me about primary partition which is what I selected |
| 05:58.40 | purgatory | does anyone here use pandora? |
| 05:58.41 | aeronadix | yeah vfat would be pretty good |
| 05:58.50 | odla | aeronadix: and you tell if you want to create the primary partition as #3? |
| 05:59.01 | odla | aeronadix: can you paste it on pastebin or #flood? |
| 05:59.03 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: your pbook sound not working at all or works but weird? |
| 05:59.23 | kingrayray | how do i tell make-kpkg to use my own config file? |
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| 05:59.34 | odla | aeronadix: paste it in #flood |
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| 06:00.03 | Loonix | any one knows good lyrics sites ? |
| 06:00.13 | HarryMofo | what program is turning my power supply fan off? |
| 06:00.18 | Gnea | LOL |
| 06:00.28 | deadcat_ | HarryMofo: none |
| 06:00.31 | Solet-deb | has anyone heard of a linux parody of micro$oft Vi$io? my open office doesnt have one apparently... |
| 06:00.33 | aeronadix | odla, ok let me try again and see what happens first |
| 06:00.39 | Gnea | HarryMofo: it's probably a bios setting |
| 06:00.46 | odla | aeronadix: just paste what you did you #flood |
| 06:00.51 | benjamindees | Solet-deb, parody? |
| 06:01.00 | HarryMofo | I tunred power management off in bios |
| 06:01.05 | Kluster_v2 | deadcat_, actually "halt" turns the power supply off :) |
| 06:01.16 | Gnea | Solet-deb: the closest thing used to be scotty & tkined but it was abandoned over a year ago |
| 06:01.28 | HarryMofo | even while running |
| 06:01.34 | Solet-deb | well i cant say "version" because then everyone would be like "microsoft doesnt make linux versions"... and really it is a parody... if you think about it |
| 06:01.39 | HarryMofo | getting hot as all |
| 06:01.53 | Solet-deb | so there isnt one that works with visio files? |
| 06:02.00 | Gnea | Solet-deb: dia can do some basics but nothing that uses .vss |
| 06:02.24 | Gnea | it'd be nice, that's for sure |
| 06:02.43 | HarryMofo | I can hear the lousy thing go click and then fan stops |
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| 06:03.23 | Solet-deb | Gnea: it'd be real nice cause i gotta have it done by 8am\ |
| 06:03.37 | benjamindees | Solet-deb, there's Dia, don't know if it supports visio files |
| 06:03.57 | Gnea | Solet-deb: my suggestion would be to just use gimp and 'wing it' |
| 06:04.10 | Solet-deb | it shoulda been in at 5pm earlier today.... |
| 06:04.17 | Solet-deb | i cant... i already started it |
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| 06:04.20 | Solet-deb | i'm almost finished |
| 06:04.26 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 06:04.27 | poop | Great, I had to wait a year to try SATA on this motherboard (now I find confirmed cases of grub incompatibility) |
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| 06:05.03 | Solet-deb | btw... for program flow charts does anyone know how you're supposed to show the paramaters that are being passed to whatever function you may be charting ... |
| 06:05.27 | Solet-deb | the only good way i can think to do it is to put it in an annotation off of the terminator |
| 06:07.22 | HarryMofo | the fan runs for about 3 minutes after boot and the click nothing but heat |
| 06:07.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: doesn't work; talked to benh about it, and it appears that it totally needs to be rewritten. Luckily, he's getting a new laptop soon too, so he'll probably be forced to get it working. |
| 06:08.51 | mhall | *oops* I'm trying to use kontact version 1.1.2 from KDE 3.4.3 and I can't get anything working when I start kontact, all I get is a blank slate app with no toolbars and not much in the way of menu options. So now I'm not sure what to do to get a contact database going and get it up and running. |
| 06:08.57 | kingrayray | how do i tell make-kpkg to use my kernel .config that i have saved? |
| 06:09.17 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: it uses it, it just runs oldconfig by default. |
| 06:09.31 | HarryMofo | is this probably the powersupply or a program telling it to stop? |
| 06:10.57 | kingrayray | dondelelcaro: oldconfig? hmm.. it's completely ignoring it for me.. |
| 06:11.09 | kingrayray | is there any way i can just tell it specifically? |
| 06:11.13 | aeronadix | olda, thanks for your help |
| 06:11.14 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: you've put it in linux-2.6.X/.config, right? |
| 06:11.24 | kingrayray | yes.. |
| 06:11.30 | odla | aeronadix: no problem! |
| 06:11.44 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: then it will use it. |
| 06:11.52 | kingrayray | and also, dondelelcaro that mantra had a problem with umm. something, appears to be the --rootcmd fakeroot part? |
| 06:12.05 | dondelelcaro | kingrayray: you need to install fakeroot if you don't already have it. |
| 06:12.22 | kingrayray | thanks man |
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| 06:13.25 | HarryMofo | alright powersupply new it is, but pentium III is that ATX? |
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| 06:14.00 | djperegrine | how can I see the biggest files on my harddrive? |
| 06:14.24 | poop | PIII should be ATX |
| 06:14.35 | dondelelcaro | djperegrine: find+sort. |
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| 06:15.05 | HarryMofo | thanks poop do the fans act funny when they are ready to go? |
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| 06:15.52 | deadcat_ | Kluster_v2: halt shuts down the machine. |
| 06:15.56 | Roey | Xen 3.0 is released! Nice to see that they only support Suse, RHEL and Fedora Core 4. Dah. |
| 06:16.52 | Kluster_v2 | deadcat_, therefore shutting down the power supply's fan |
| 06:17.10 | SimonRaven | and 2 of those using crap rpms |
| 06:17.13 | HarryMofo | yeah but not while still supplying juice |
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| 06:18.05 | KerPlunk | A package was updated on my system when I did apt-get dist-upgrade, but it's the same version as the older package...how can I tell what changes were made since the last release from the maintainer? |
| 06:18.39 | dondelelcaro | KerPlunk: /usr/share/doc/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 06:18.49 | dondelelcaro | s#doc/#doc/<package/# |
| 06:19.03 | Kluster_v2 | I know, I'm just too tired and this is my "I should go to bed" sense of humour |
| 06:19.19 | djperegrine | what happens when I delete session_mm_apache0.mem ? |
| 06:19.52 | HarryMofo | Kluster_v2 would you change the powersupply? |
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| 06:22.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i thought with 2.6 we dont use benh kernels. |
| 06:22.59 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: right, but benh is still the guy doing most of the work |
| 06:23.05 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:23.23 | dondelelcaro | (which is why I harassed him) |
| 06:23.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: sound is or was working on TwistedEmotions' pbook 17" though |
| 06:23.41 | deadcat | kinna worked |
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| 06:24.56 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: which one is it? |
| 06:25.13 | Kupal[]_ | anyone know of any wimax developments ongoing in linux? im curious as to know if 2.4/802.11g radios will be compatable with wimax, or if wimax is mimo? im lost.. sorry if im a bit off topic? |
| 06:25.14 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: this is one of the newest ones, and it shows up (wrongly) as AWACS |
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| 06:25.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: he has a pbook 1.3 gig g4 (tibook) 17" same as yours diff in speed maybe |
| 06:25.57 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. |
| 06:25.58 | HarryMofo | what is kapmd process? |
| 06:26.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, this is the 1.67; next generation. |
| 06:26.11 | Solet-deb | does gnome/x have a process manager that works in at least a moderately graphical sense? |
| 06:26.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it uses some sort of AOABase soundcard |
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| 06:26.32 | dondelelcaro | (same thing that is on the G5's) |
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| 06:27.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: do you have to install the mouse driver? because we have to install apple mouse driver in order for the thing to move. |
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| 06:28.17 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: and has anyong actually got broadcom to work yet? |
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| 06:29.11 | HarryMofo | really what is kapmd? |
| 06:29.31 | SimonRaven | doh! |
| 06:29.32 | deadcat | HarryMofo: apt-cache search |
| 06:29.37 | deadcat | apt-cache show i mean |
| 06:29.39 | HarryMofo | thanks |
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| 06:30.00 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: mooch claimed to have; dunno about anyone else. |
| 06:30.27 | deadcat | hehe. maybe he doesnt want people to think its not working so he just faked it (= |
| 06:30.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: some people on a gentoo board apparently have; I couldn't get it to work with rc5 (missing __udelay) so I've stepped back to rc3 which supposedly has worked. |
| 06:30.31 | Solet-deb | apt-get moo |
| 06:30.42 | Solet-deb | seriously why do they do silly shit like that? |
| 06:30.49 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: why not? |
| 06:30.57 | Solet-deb | thats the worst ascii cow i've ever seen |
| 06:30.59 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: wow.. 100% free? |
| 06:31.00 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 06:31.04 | Solet-deb | its leggs arent even centered on its body |
| 06:31.14 | HarryMofo | apt-get search or show got nothing |
| 06:31.17 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah, it's got non-free firmware crap |
| 06:31.18 | deadcat | Solet-deb: hey. i am using that on my webpage dude. (= |
| 06:31.32 | servus | It's a cute ascii cow! |
| 06:31.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: but there's not much that can be done about that until the FCC stops being a bunch of morons |
| 06:31.47 | Solet-deb | if i ever have free time (hell freezes over) i'm going to make a better ascii cow and recompile apt |
| 06:31.59 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: so go right ahead... or just use cowsay. |
| 06:32.18 | servus | The cowsay cow is hoofless |
| 06:32.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. just like the zd1211 driver. the debian source requires firmware. but apparently the r39+ dont seem to need the firmware files no more. or somethnig |
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| 06:32.40 | Solet-deb | isnt there an apt command that harasses you about not having super cow powers or something |
| 06:32.40 | deadcat | Solet-deb: try calsay, better |
| 06:32.51 | Solet-deb | wtf is calsay? |
| 06:32.58 | servus | !moo |
| 06:32.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:33.01 | deadcat | Solet-deb: thats me saying shits (= |
| 06:33.04 | Phated | calsay? For a moment I thought it was some kind of squid. |
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| 06:33.18 | deadcat | heheh |
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| 06:33.32 | deadcat | !calsay shut up |
| 06:33.39 | deadcat | SHUT THE FUCK UP! |
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| 06:33.43 | deadcat | see |
| 06:34.05 | HarryMofo | kill -9 kapmd wont do it |
| 06:34.05 | Solet-deb | wtf???? |
| 06:34.12 | aeronadix | hey I use fdisk, delete a partition create a new partition, then when I mount that new partition, and run df it doesn't show the new partition as 0%, it is still 83% as before? |
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| 06:34.26 | liberion | hey guys im using testing debian what is the proper way to install and run nvidia drivers |
| 06:34.27 | Solet-deb | its wednesday night righ now right? |
| 06:34.30 | dondelelcaro | aeronadix: you need to mkfs.ext2 it. |
| 06:34.37 | dondelelcaro | liberion: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 06:34.42 | deadcat | ok if this make-kpkg session pass the 13min break i am piss. then that MUST mean perm 777 on dir matters |
| 06:34.47 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: in some parts of the planet. |
| 06:34.48 | aeronadix | dondelelcaro, how do I do that? |
| 06:34.56 | streuner_ | Solet-deb depends where you live |
| 06:34.58 | aeronadix | dondelelcaro, using fdisk eh? |
| 06:35.05 | Solet-deb | ok... i havent slept since monday... and they drug my ass out of bed monday at 6am |
| 06:35.10 | deadcat | Phated: you hear? broadcom wireless card works on some people. (= |
| 06:35.15 | dondelelcaro | aeronadix: mkfs.ext2 (or 3 or whatever) /dev/hdaX; note that that will destroy all the contents of /dev/hdaX |
| 06:35.23 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
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| 06:35.56 | deadcat | i wish i have usb2 on my ibook )= dvd+cdrw dont hurt either. (= |
| 06:36.12 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 06:36.22 | Phated | DVD+cdrw here \o/ |
| 06:36.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: now you are on top of the world (= |
| 06:36.29 | liberion | dondelelcaro, i know i add line to /etc/modules and edit xorg.conf so whats next ,by the way im using 2.6.14-2-i686-smp kernel |
| 06:36.32 | aeronadix | dondelelcaro, I used to you a menu based fdisk, like when you first install debian 2.2 |
| 06:36.43 | aeronadix | how do I use the menu way again? |
| 06:36.51 | dondelelcaro | aeronadix: that's just a partitioner; it's probably partman or something or other. |
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| 06:37.04 | deadcat | the only way i watch dvd (if i have any) is mount it via loopback.. ghetto style )= |
| 06:37.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh. I used to have to do that. |
| 06:37.23 | liberion | dondelelcaro, i just gets a little confusing from then what drivers to use or is there a deb for them |
| 06:37.24 | aeronadix | dondelelcaro, well that took care of that, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 06:37.31 | deadcat | aeronadix: cfdisk? |
| 06:37.46 | litage | when you execute a shell command from within perl, say ``ls -l'', how can you obtain both the output and return code? |
| 06:37.57 | aeronadix | deadcat, oooh yeah, the it is |
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| 06:38.06 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya.. thats how i still do it. no dvd on any of my machines. |
| 06:38.27 | dondelelcaro | litage: should be $? |
| 06:38.36 | litage | dondelelcaro: even in perl? |
| 06:38.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what are the color stuff on the console screenshot of your pbook? |
| 06:38.45 | dondelelcaro | litage: yes. perldoc perlvar |
| 06:38.46 | liberion | dondelelcaro, is there a deb package for nvidia drivers for 2.6.14-2-i686-smp or do i use the nvidia website driver |
| 06:38.47 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: pb |
| 06:39.06 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/pb |
| 06:39.12 | litage | thanks |
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| 06:39.21 | dondelelcaro | liberion: you make them, using the nvidia one-liner command that dpkg will give you. |
| 06:39.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell liberion -about nvidia one-liner |
| 06:40.20 | tarzeau | hm still no gcc 4.1... |
| 06:40.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:40.28 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:40.36 | dondelelcaro | !+info gcc-4.1 |
| 06:40.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:40.42 | dpkg | Package 'gcc-4.1' does not exist. |
| 06:40.51 | dondelelcaro | !+info gcc-4.1 experimental |
| 06:40.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:40.56 | tarzeau | i know it's there |
| 06:40.57 | dpkg | gcc-4.1: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4.1-0exp0 (experimental), Packaged size: 524 kB, Installed size: 1264 kB |
| 06:41.00 | tarzeau | but not the final one |
| 06:41.19 | dondelelcaro | that one should be 4.1... it's just not 4.1-1 |
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| 06:41.59 | tarzeau | aha,pity it not builds on kfreebsd |
| 06:42.17 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: ah... forgot that you're running that. |
| 06:42.37 | tarzeau | i also want to finish the livecd.gnustep.org with that, so i have to wait some more |
| 06:42.52 | tarzeau | it's good whenyou are not commercial, you can delay it until all is perfect |
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| 06:44.31 | deadcat_ | damn really bad connection at home |
| 06:44.45 | Solet-deb | i've completely spaced the command to make accounts... can some one help my tired ass out? |
| 06:44.52 | deadcat_ | someone show me the message i missed. starting from dondelelcaro's svn.xxx |
| 06:45.55 | deadcat | using neighbor's cable line instead (= shhh |
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| 06:46.05 | Solet-deb | haha nvm adduser... |
| 06:47.52 | Eclipser | :p |
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| 06:49.40 | deadcat | someone /lastlog dondelelcaro and paste me the svn link please. |
| 06:50.18 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 06:50.29 | deadcat | thanks. |
| 06:50.37 | SimonRaven | http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/pb |
| 06:50.37 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i tell you about my new laser printer? (= |
| 06:50.40 | deadcat | thanks |
| 06:50.52 | SimonRaven | no, but i saw you mention it to don |
| 06:51.18 | tvn | gcc stands for gnu compiler collection ? |
| 06:51.20 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ya. samsun ml-2010 got pic of you wnat to chekc it out. |
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| 06:51.38 | aeronadix | maybe gnu c compiler |
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| 06:51.49 | SimonRaven | gnu c compiler ^^^ |
| 06:52.03 | tvn | and it contains gcj ? |
| 06:52.06 | aeronadix | cc is c compiler I think, and then the gnu is added cause it is the free open source gnu version |
| 06:52.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: pm <-- oh... i renamed it to apm (= Discharging: 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 31 seconds remaining. [77.6%] |
| 06:52.16 | SimonRaven | the source does IIRC |
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| 06:52.22 | aeronadix | gcj prob is gnu compiler java |
| 06:52.31 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 06:52.43 | valdyn | tvn: gcc used to stand for gnu c compiler, it officially stands for gnu compiler collection now |
| 06:53.03 | SimonRaven | when you build a package, make sure you have the right bdb-dev package installed ;) |
| 06:53.04 | tvn | Valandil: ah i see, that makes sense ... |
| 06:53.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: cool |
| 06:53.14 | aeronadix | yeah, gcc has tons of compilers built into it now |
| 06:53.16 | SimonRaven | oh. changed |
| 06:53.17 | tvn | otherwise, a gnu c compiler that contains a java compiler seems weird |
| 06:53.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: just put this in your PS1: awk '$7 !~ /^-/ {printf "%s ", $7}' /proc/apm |
| 06:53.36 | SimonRaven | does make sense |
| 06:53.45 | aeronadix | the gjc isn't there by default, you have to install is separate |
| 06:53.50 | valdyn | tvn: its still ambigous though as gnu compiler collections c compiler is called 'gcc' |
| 06:53.53 | Grant_ | So anyone know a good Management system for linux EG ISPMAN...? |
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| 06:54.58 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i have that in my .screenrc showing up on my hardstatus, hella cool. that and the wireless signal level (= |
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| 06:55.49 | tvn | tech terms are so confusing ... |
| 06:56.07 | deadcat | ! be barbie |
| 06:56.13 | deadcat | !be barbie |
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| 06:56.46 | tvn | I need to update myself |
| 06:56.49 | SimonRaven | be gcc barbie; compiling C code is so HARD! let's go shopping |
| 06:56.58 | deadcat | haahha |
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| 06:57.58 | tvn | it'll be great if there's a higher level language that translate from thoughts to code .... |
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| 07:00.18 | deadcat | this is my pwd showing on my PS1 when the $PWD gets 4 levels deep and longer than 1/2 of the $COLUMNS: /lib/.../kernel/drivers (= |
| 07:00.35 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 07:01.14 | SimonRaven | you got example of that? :) |
| 07:01.22 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ya. although i still bump into problems like if the dir name is way to long |
| 07:01.25 | deadcat | let me show ya (= |
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| 07:02.24 | SimonRaven | i think i saw a zsh thing for those cases... i'll have to see their wiki |
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| 07:02.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: do you have your PS1/PS2 stuck somewhere? |
| 07:02.57 | deadcat | SimonRaven: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20051118_15623.png |
| 07:03.04 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 07:03.06 | SimonRaven | thanks |
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| 07:03.47 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: SimonRaven http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.bash_prompt |
| 07:03.56 | Guerin | !deadcat++ |
| 07:04.00 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:04.07 | Guerin | i run into this problem ALLL THE TIME |
| 07:04.15 | Eclipser | that's... twisted |
| 07:04.17 | deadcat | actually i dont show the bat life on my PS1, just in screen |
| 07:04.17 | Guerin | (but am too lazy to figure it out myself :) |
| 07:04.22 | SimonRaven | nice |
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| 07:04.34 | Eclipser | what's wrong with the plain '\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 07:04.43 | SimonRaven | (2005.12.08)(pts/2)(02:04) (~/log/irc) |
| 07:04.44 | SimonRaven | (simon@acahkos) % |
| 07:04.48 | deadcat | Eclipser: too short |
| 07:04.51 | Eclipser | haha |
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| 07:04.54 | SimonRaven | in colour |
| 07:04.59 | ghostys | hmm |
| 07:05.05 | ghostys | is it possible to unrar a file on linux ? |
| 07:05.10 | deadcat | Eclipser: \w is full \W is basename($PWD) <- too short |
| 07:05.12 | Eclipser | deadcat, your url isn't working for me :< |
| 07:05.14 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 07:05.18 | aeronadix | unrar e filename.rar |
| 07:05.23 | aeronadix | you gotta install unrar first |
| 07:05.34 | deadcat | Eclipser: you sure? it should |
| 07:05.39 | Eclipser | quite sure |
| 07:05.43 | Eclipser | let me try on my home machine |
| 07:05.47 | SimonRaven | use a browser, it's a page |
| 07:05.51 | Eclipser | I know :p |
| 07:05.52 | deadcat | wget it |
| 07:06.05 | Eclipser | okies, my home box opened it |
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| 07:06.08 | Eclipser | work box sucks |
| 07:06.38 | ghostys | i tried apt-getting the unrar package but i don't think it's supported on the amd64 repository?> |
| 07:06.47 | jm_ | SimonRaven: zsh has that too, you can sepcify how many dir elements it displays |
| 07:07.04 | SimonRaven | yeh, you read my mind |
| 07:07.06 | deadcat | jm_: builtin? nice. |
| 07:07.47 | deadcat | hehe. only problem is that zsh isnt default on some linux box and sometimes you dont get root on those box |
| 07:07.57 | SimonRaven | jm_ turned me onto zsh, and i haven't looked back |
| 07:08.09 | deadcat | lets hang jm_ (= |
| 07:08.34 | Eclipser | deadcat, should that work as is? :) |
| 07:08.43 | valdyn | ghostys: 'apt-cache search unrar' displays noting for you? |
| 07:08.45 | deadcat | Eclipser: . .bash_prompt && PSONE |
| 07:09.04 | ghostys | valdyn: nope |
| 07:09.08 | deadcat | Eclipser: default is bold color. you have to edit the hostname section for diff color |
| 07:09.09 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 07:09.10 | dpkg | [non-free] always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 07:09.10 | Eclipser | aha |
| 07:09.16 | Eclipser | deadcat, yes I figured that out |
| 07:09.20 | valdyn | ghostys: ^^^ |
| 07:09.44 | deadcat | Eclipser: the file has 3 prompt "themes" (= and that win2k theme hahah |
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| 07:10.15 | SimonRaven | nice, it uses shell functions, making it quick |
| 07:10.31 | SimonRaven | ...and efficient |
| 07:11.02 | deadcat | SimonRaven: thanks to the guy from the link (= |
| 07:11.04 | jm_ | deadcat: well nto quite as complex as yours, but you can say %5d (or ~ or / - depending on the style you want) |
| 07:11.30 | deadcat | jm_: nice... much easier (= |
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| 07:11.34 | SimonRaven | my terms are usually quite wide, so i don't notice it much |
| 07:11.58 | jm_ | I use two lines prompt if I want it to show entire path |
| 07:12.21 | deadcat | jm_: my prompt is 2 line. but sometimes the dir is longer than 1 line hehe |
| 07:12.46 | SimonRaven | yeh, ^^^ isa mine as-is, except the colour and bold not being present |
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| 07:13.49 | deadcat | goddammit. kernel fail to compile earlier was because of the freakin dir perm with 777 )=. it wasnt my fault. tar gave me that perm |
| 07:14.06 | learnfromscratch | when ever i call a php program thru my browser.. it starts downloading the php file.. how do i make it execute the php program in the server.. I am running the server locally . am running debian |
| 07:14.24 | jm_ | learnfromscratch: try restarting the browser or clear its cache |
| 07:14.33 | chorse | learnfromscratch, add a handler for .php |
| 07:14.37 | SimonRaven | read the comments in apache2.conf|httpd.conf |
| 07:15.32 | deadcat | cool. make-kpkg kernel_image gens linux-image instead of kernel-image now |
| 07:15.32 | SimonRaven | oh cool |
| 07:15.33 | chorse | yeah nice |
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| 07:18.27 | Kupal[]_ | dondelelcaro what speed does your proc run without the cpufreqd? |
| 07:18.50 | Kupal[]_ | laptop? |
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| 07:19.10 | SerajewelKS | in /etc/network/interfaces using the dhcp method, can i control what dhcp server it uses? |
| 07:19.19 | SerajewelKS | go right to a specific server instead of broadcasting? |
| 07:19.27 | Kupal[]_ | nope |
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| 07:19.37 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
| 07:19.39 | Kupal[]_ | then you would have static knowledge of your network. |
| 07:19.44 | Kupal[]_ | but maybe so |
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| 07:19.51 | SimonRaven | a g3 daughtercard for my partner would rock her world. and mine ;). os x isn't linux, but it's a *nix |
| 07:19.54 | SerajewelKS | Kupal[]_: dhclient supports specifying an IP address |
| 07:20.01 | Kupal[]_ | if anything i would imagine anything like that would be called secure dhcp |
| 07:20.05 | Kupal[]_ | oh.. then dur :) |
| 07:20.22 | Kupal[]_ | sure that's not you askig the dhcp for an address? |
| 07:20.23 | SerajewelKS | Kupal[]_: man dhclient, option -s |
| 07:20.35 | kapil | SerajewelKS: pump is a dhcp client which supports a config file. |
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| 07:20.50 | SimonRaven | uh, dhclient supports one too |
| 07:21.02 | Kupal[]_ | well then my bad :) |
| 07:21.03 | SerajewelKS | kapil: but i want to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:21.23 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]_: 867 or something |
| 07:21.25 | SerajewelKS | Kupal[]_: i know dhclient does.. the question is how to pass that information by way of the interfaces file |
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| 07:21.38 | SimonRaven | auto eth0 |
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| 07:22.09 | SimonRaven | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 07:22.10 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: that's not quite what i want to do ;) |
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| 07:22.16 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: oh... pasting |
| 07:22.21 | SimonRaven | i think. man interfaces |
| 07:22.39 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: yes. but if you saw my question, i want to use a specific dhcp server, not broadcast for one. |
| 07:22.42 | SimonRaven | you'd be surprised at what ifupdown can do |
| 07:23.05 | SimonRaven | i suppose you could do that from the conf |
| 07:23.14 | SimonRaven | dhclient's or pump's |
| 07:24.23 | Kupal[]_ | doesn't ifup use dhclient? |
| 07:24.29 | deadcat | sure |
| 07:24.35 | deadcat | if its set to dhcp |
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| 07:24.40 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]_: that's the first one; but there's a whole list. |
| 07:24.49 | dondelelcaro | ... dhclient, pump, udhcpc, dhcpcd. |
| 07:24.49 | Kupal[]_ | or pump, so wouldn't it inherit its config? |
| 07:24.56 | SimonRaven | w00t, i was using hdb |
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| 07:25.06 | deadcat | i am using udhcpd instead of dhcp3-server (= |
| 07:25.29 | Kupal[]_ | never really asked my self how ifup knows what client to use, bot now that the question is out there? |
| 07:25.37 | kapil | SerajewelKS: if you absolutely want to use the interfaces file for some reason then use a pre-up to create the config file for dhclient. |
| 07:25.59 | Kupal[]_ | maybe im tinking interfaces |
| 07:26.06 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 07:26.17 | kapil | Kupal[]_: there is an order. see man interfaces. |
| 07:26.22 | Kupal[]_ | k.. |
| 07:26.37 | SimonRaven | man interfaces; /dhcp |
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| 07:26.45 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: yeah i did that... |
| 07:26.56 | SerajewelKS | i'm thinking just do ifconfig up and run dhclient manually |
| 07:27.15 | SerajewelKS | oh wait, can you use dhclient on a virtual interface? (e.g. eth0:2) |
| 07:27.25 | SimonRaven | i've never tried to do any mappings yet. might be fun sometime |
| 07:27.30 | Kupal[]_ | should e able to. |
| 07:27.31 | deadcat | if i am using udev. can i rm -rf /etc/hotplug* ? |
| 07:27.38 | deadcat | hotplug has been purged |
| 07:27.42 | SimonRaven | no i think it needs a MAC |
| 07:27.56 | jm_ | deadcat: check which packages owns the files |
| 07:27.59 | Kupal[]_ | I dunno.. |
| 07:28.00 | chorse | SerajewelKS, you can only have one dhcp per physical interface |
| 07:28.03 | jm_ | package even |
| 07:28.04 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: you can configure virtual interfaces to have a different MAC than the physical interface |
| 07:28.04 | Kupal[]_ | I think i have done it. |
| 07:28.21 | SerajewelKS | chorse: any specific reason? |
| 07:28.30 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: oh, ok |
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| 07:28.42 | SimonRaven | so maybe you can. try it |
| 07:28.54 | chorse | SerajewelKS, how should the dhcpd know which virtual interface it is? it's the ethernet layer |
| 07:29.14 | deadcat | jm_: oh right. some pkgs dumps stuff in /etc/hotplug as well. |
| 07:29.31 | SerajewelKS | wtf.. i can't ifconfig eth0:2 up |
| 07:29.31 | jm_ | deadcat: maybe they need updating too |
| 07:29.33 | Kupal[]_ | SerajewelKS: background info, i seem to remember some different behavor if eth0 itself is not configured.. (just fyi) |
| 07:29.56 | deadcat | jm_: true |
| 07:30.09 | Kupal[]_ | i.e. eth0:1 would do something funny.. but i can't remember. |
| 07:30.50 | chorse | if possible one should prefer iproute2 |
| 07:31.12 | SerajewelKS | doesn't look like dhclient likes eth0:2 |
| 07:31.36 | dondelelcaro | having an alias using dhcp is almost always insane. |
| 07:31.49 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i'm insane =) |
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| 07:31.59 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: how so exactly? |
| 07:32.12 | deadcat | ok. i am on 2.6.14.3 |
| 07:32.18 | dondelelcaro | esp. if it's using the same mac without a specific client id as another interface which is also using dhcp. |
| 07:32.41 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i'll be pulling the IPs from two different servers |
| 07:32.47 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that's even worse. |
| 07:33.02 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: yeah, i'm having fun with the network in the wee hours of the night |
| 07:33.44 | SimonRaven | oh my. you must be bored |
| 07:33.50 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: kinda |
| 07:33.56 | dondelelcaro | the way you do it is by setting your dhclient.conf appropriately to deal with the interface and reject offers from the other server. |
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| 07:34.22 | dondelelcaro | However, having two DHCP servers on the same network is busted. You'll end up breaking all sorts of things in all sorts of strange way.s |
| 07:34.38 | SimonRaven | tell me about it. |
| 07:34.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: look at that screenshot link i posted and look at the last line on the terminal. it shows the [ hostname apm% wifi% ] [ blah ... ] |
| 07:34.56 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: not if you use dhcp3-server |
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| 07:35.11 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: only if they're linked together |
| 07:35.22 | SimonRaven | you can set one as authoritative |
| 07:35.32 | deadcat | Gnea: try udhcpd. |
| 07:35.43 | Gnea | deadcat: i have, dhcp3-server rocks it |
| 07:35.48 | deadcat | o |
| 07:35.50 | Gnea | SimonRaven: exactly. |
| 07:35.54 | dondelelcaro | right, but that means that only the authoritative one will REJECT; it doesn't stop clients from getting ips from the non-authoritative one. |
| 07:36.06 | Gnea | no. |
| 07:36.12 | dondelelcaro | (it just means that they'll get a DHCPREJECT when they try to get a new ip) |
| 07:36.14 | deadcat | i was using dhcp3-server, but i dont remember why i switched to udhcpd.. but i think because the weekly news mentioned it (= |
| 07:36.23 | Gnea | you can tell the authoritive to hand out only ip's to certain mac addresses |
| 07:36.31 | Gnea | then the non-authoritize could pick up the slack |
| 07:36.39 | Gnea | or the other way around |
| 07:36.39 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: sure, but that's coordinated setup. |
| 07:36.40 | jm_ | ylou can tell that to any half decent DHCP server |
| 07:36.54 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: in order to be linked they would HAVE to coordinate |
| 07:37.22 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: yes; I'm talking about two different dhcp servers who both would try to serve any mac address. |
| 07:37.29 | Gnea | that's just one possibility, i'm sure it could be done other ways |
| 07:37.40 | pwl | dc |
| 07:37.43 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: linkage is something completely different, where you share the lease table between multiple dhcp servers. |
| 07:37.47 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: what braindead admin would do that? |
| 07:37.59 | jm_ | Gnea: SerajewelKS? :P |
| 07:38.04 | Gnea | .... |
| 07:38.11 | Gnea | haven't talked to her in awhile :) |
| 07:38.43 | Guerin | her? |
| 07:38.47 | Gnea | oh my |
| 07:38.49 | ghostys | hmm i've just untar'd a .gz file |
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| 07:38.56 | ghostys | it has given me a file with no extension |
| 07:39.02 | ghostys | and i don't know what to do with it |
| 07:39.04 | ghostys | any idea's ? |
| 07:39.16 | dondelelcaro | ghostys: file yourfilewithnoextension; |
| 07:39.17 | Guerin | ghostys: file whateverthefileiscalled |
| 07:39.41 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i would suggest looking into dhcp3-server on both ends (dunno if you've been reading or not) |
| 07:39.48 | Solet-deb | what command can i use to see all the partitions i have onthe system? fstab is only showing me the ones that are mounted... |
| 07:40.00 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: mount; cat /proc/mounts |
| 07:40.21 | Gnea | uhm |
| 07:40.44 | ghostys | file unrar-linux-x64 |
| 07:40.45 | ghostys | unrar-linux-x64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 07:40.48 | ghostys | still the same name |
| 07:41.02 | learnfromscratch | is there a way do group install like the one in yum group install |
| 07:41.04 | dondelelcaro | ghostys: so it's an executable. |
| 07:41.26 | dondelelcaro | learnfromscratch: if you tell us what yum group install actually does... |
| 07:41.27 | Solet-deb | dondelelcaro: thats a lot more than just hard drives... |
| 07:41.34 | jm_ | Solet-deb: /proc/partitions |
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| 07:41.49 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: that's everything you've mounted. |
| 07:42.06 | ghostys | dondelelcaro: which is excecuted how ? |
| 07:42.15 | Solet-deb | what the hell is tmpfs? |
| 07:42.18 | dondelelcaro | ghostys: by making it executable, and running it. |
| 07:42.22 | Solet-deb | there are several of them |
| 07:42.25 | jm_ | read about tmpfs in kernel docs |
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| 07:42.36 | Solet-deb | i didnt cut partitions for them.... so they arent partitions... |
| 07:42.54 | dondelelcaro | clearly; they're just a memory backed filesystem. |
| 07:42.55 | jm_ | no shit |
| 07:43.13 | Solet-deb | ram file systems? |
| 07:43.18 | Solet-deb | quel etrange... |
| 07:43.19 | Gnea | Solet-deb: for i in `find /proc/ide/ -maxdepth 1 | grep hd | sed -e 's/\/proc\/ide\///g'`; do j=`echo /dev/$i`; fdisk -l "$j"; done |
| 07:43.25 | ghostys | what's the run cmd ? |
| 07:43.43 | dondelelcaro | ./foo or /path/to/foo |
| 07:44.01 | learnfromscratch | dondelelcaro: its possible install all packages say all php module by doing a group install in yum |
| 07:44.23 | ghostys | dondelelcaro: i tried that, but get; |
| 07:44.23 | ghostys | ./unrar-linux-x64 |
| 07:44.24 | ghostys | -bash: ./unrar-linux-x64: Permission denied |
| 07:44.26 | Solet-deb | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.27 | dondelelcaro | learnfromscratch: if you know what "all php modules" means, install them. |
| 07:44.36 | jm_ | cat /proc/partitions ... |
| 07:44.40 | dondelelcaro | ghostys: 23:42:18 <dondelelcaro> ghostys: by making it executable, and running it. |
| 07:45.01 | dondelelcaro | ghostys: you haven't made it executable. If you don't know how to do that, you probably shouldn't be making random files which you downloaded executable. |
| 07:45.03 | ghostys | i've made it an executable |
| 07:45.18 | Guerin | ghostys: sh unrar-linux-x64 |
| 07:45.22 | Solet-deb | Gnea thank you! |
| 07:45.38 | dondelelcaro | ghostys: stat unrar-linux-x64|grep Access |
| 07:46.06 | learnfromscratch | dondelelcaro: all php modules does not make sense ... but it does for make sense for yum... |
| 07:46.48 | dondelelcaro | learnfromscratch: just install the modules that you want; there are meta packages to install groups of things, but since we have a few thousand packages, installing all of them is almost never what you want to do. |
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| 07:47.19 | Solet-deb | does cp leave the source file intact? |
| 07:47.20 | ghostys | dondelelcaro: Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 07:47.20 | ghostys | Access: 2005-12-09 03:39:24.494796128 +1000 |
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| 07:48.22 | Kruzayn | ive been trying to resize/partition part of my NTFS drive, to make room for a HD install, but i defragged in win, and have 7.5 gigs free, using qt or ntfsresize, it only allows me to make a max partition of 500mb |
| 07:48.58 | Solet-deb | get partition magic |
| 07:49.04 | learnfromscratch | how do i know the number of packages that are there in my apt-get source repositories |
| 07:49.09 | Guerin | delete the ntfs partition |
| 07:49.15 | Kruzayn | part magic for $60 isnt in my budget ;) |
| 07:49.18 | Guerin | after backing the data you want up |
| 07:49.20 | Solet-deb | ntfs = work of satan |
| 07:49.32 | jm_ | learnfromscratch: apt-cache stats |
| 07:49.53 | Kruzayn | im starting to see that, its been a major hurdle :/ bah heh |
| 07:50.10 | Solet-deb | Kruzayn: software is like sex... its better when free... |
| 07:50.15 | Solet-deb | ponder that for a while |
| 07:50.21 | Kruzayn | hah |
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| 07:50.28 | jm_ | yeah why pay $60 for software when you can get another 80-120G drive for that |
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| 07:50.50 | Guerin | jm_: heh, point |
| 07:51.03 | Kruzayn | i agree, but im runnin on a laptop so HD space is limited :) id run a external, but thats no fun |
| 07:51.30 | jm_ | ok, those are not so convenient |
| 07:51.31 | Solet-deb | Kruzayn: has the software line sunk in yet? |
| 07:51.43 | Solet-deb | now what i need you to do is apt-get install bittornado |
| 07:51.51 | dondelelcaro | ghostys: and as you can tell by reading that, it isn't executable. |
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| 07:52.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell ghostys -about fundamentals |
| 07:52.41 | Solet-deb | the rest i'll leave up to you to figure out as i dont want the opps to get mad at me |
| 07:53.11 | Kruzayn | hehe, running a live cd for now, so i dont think an apt get is in the works for me, ill see what limewire or windows equiv can find |
| 07:53.17 | Solet-deb | wtf is rtorrent? |
| 07:53.44 | jm_ | Solet-deb: apt-cache show will tell you |
| 07:53.53 | jm_ | as long as you're using Etch or newer |
| 07:54.34 | Guerin | Solet-deb: why? it's proprietary shiteware |
| 07:54.38 | Guerin | streuner_: ^ |
| 07:54.43 | Guerin | Solet-deb: sorreh |
| 07:54.43 | ghostys | dondelelcaro: why is it if i file filename is says it is |
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| 07:55.04 | jm_ | ghostys: it's refering to executable format, not permissions |
| 07:55.05 | streuner_ | Guerin: as i said, they plan to develope a linux version |
| 07:55.09 | Solet-deb | Kruzayn: another more 'legal' way of doing things would be to grab the gnome10 live cd... amoung its other sexy features... i am sure it can relatively painlessly partition out your hdd |
| 07:55.21 | learnfromscratch | do i need 1)makedev 2)inetd 3)inetdutils-inetd 4)rsync ? should i add them in rcconf ??? |
| 07:55.38 | Guerin | streuner_: don't change the fact that it's proprietary ... it's not like there are no good free software clients |
| 07:55.46 | Solet-deb | guerin: i've gotten in trouble for talking about pyracy in large channel before... so i've tried to avoid saying it strait out |
| 07:55.53 | [c]dv | anyone here use knoppix? #knoppix is dead. |
| 07:55.55 | Kruzayn | heh yea |
| 07:55.59 | Guerin | Solet-deb: sorry, i was talking to streuner_ |
| 07:56.09 | dondelelcaro | [c]dv: knoppix is OT here. |
| 07:56.13 | [c]dv | Solet? form psionics.net? |
| 07:56.13 | Guerin | [c]dv: if we used knoppix, we'd be in #knoppix |
| 07:56.41 | [c]dv | I see. |
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| 08:00.18 | netcrusher88 | can anyone reccomend an app to automatically determine packages that are no longer depended upon and present them as candidates for uninstallation? |
| 08:00.29 | jm_ | aptitude, deborphan |
| 08:00.29 | dondelelcaro | netcrusher88: aptitude, deborphan. |
| 08:00.34 | jm_ | :) |
| 08:00.43 | netcrusher88 | thanks |
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| 08:01.00 | netcrusher88 | and as long as we're talking about aptitude... |
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| 08:01.29 | netcrusher88 | can aptitude pe configured not to automatically install reccommended and suggested packages? |
| 08:01.35 | Solet-deb | [c]dv: i'm pretty sure i'm the only solet out there :P i've yet to see another and i've had this handle for 5 years |
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| 08:01.38 | dondelelcaro | netcrusher88: yes. |
| 08:01.45 | dondelelcaro | netcrusher88: it's explained in the manpage how to change it |
| 08:01.50 | [c]dv | Shush you. |
| 08:01.54 | [c]dv | :P |
| 08:02.23 | benjamindees | woo hoo, sourceforge cvs is now working :) |
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| 08:02.28 | netcrusher88 | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 08:05.35 | threat | I have a two routers in my network, router1 is connected to the Internet and MASQ's the Internal networks to the net, router2 is connected to the local (wired) LAN and is a wireless AP |
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| 08:05.46 | Coke | What keyboard setting (XFree86 4) should one use for Swedish keyboard where alt-gr is NOT meta? It currently uses it as meta (just like alt) which removes the ability to use the alt-gr as it would be used on a Swedish qwerty keyboard. |
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| 08:05.59 | threat | in order for my wireless computers to connect to the Internet do I need to run a routing daemon on router2? |
| 08:05.59 | Coke | I've fixed this on my local machine using xmodmap, but there has to be an easier way, right? |
| 08:06.24 | threat | or do I just enable ipv4 forward under /proc/sys/.... |
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| 08:06.42 | ircdevil | v - someone took away my internet :o( route looks ok. i can irc. but no nslookup |
| 08:07.00 | Guerin | ircdevil: fix your resolv.conf |
| 08:07.04 | threat | hi |
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| 08:07.22 | benjamindees | threat, you should not need a routing daemon |
| 08:07.37 | ircdevil | Guerin: looks good - et viola? everything works now. hmmmm must have been dhclient that was slow? |
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| 08:08.03 | Guerin | ircdevil: configure your dhclient to not nuke your resolv.conf |
| 08:08.45 | threat | benjamindees, ok |
| 08:08.46 | Solet-deb | what command shows you what version of x you're running? |
| 08:08.49 | threat | benjamindees, what do I need then :) |
| 08:08.51 | aardvarq | If one puts -cj as options to tar, should one expect a .tar.bz2? |
| 08:08.52 | peterS | X -version |
| 08:08.53 | peterS | oddly enough |
| 08:08.55 | ircdevil | Guerin: k |
| 08:09.14 | threat | benjamindees, wireless computers have their default GW set to router2, router2 has its default gateway set to router1 |
| 08:09.16 | threat | is that about it? |
| 08:09.34 | Solet-deb | lol |
| 08:09.42 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.43 | threat | I dont have any firewalls on router2 (yet) but I cant seem to connect to the Internet or any wired computers |
| 08:09.43 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.08 | SerajewelKS | threat: then router2 will have to masquerade as well |
| 08:10.09 | peterS | aardvarq: 'man tar', look at the j option |
| 08:10.17 | threat | SerajewelKS, why? |
| 08:10.34 | threat | SerajewelKS, I dont want to masquerade the wireless network to the internal wired network |
| 08:10.37 | SerajewelKS | threat: because that's how it works |
| 08:10.44 | threat | SerajewelKS, I wnt it complety transparent |
| 08:10.49 | aardvarq | peterS: It is precisely the ambiguous information there that brought me here. |
| 08:10.59 | threat | SerajewelKS, so I cant setup a routing daemon to overcome that? |
| 08:11.12 | SerajewelKS | threat: you need to rethink your network design then |
| 08:11.19 | threat | SerajewelKS, wtf |
| 08:11.30 | peterS | aardvarq: next best thing, try it: 'tar cjf foo.tar bar' and then do 'file foo.tar' to see whether it's a tar file or a bzip2 file |
| 08:11.37 | threat | SerajewelKS, I see |
| 08:11.38 | SerajewelKS | threat: if router2 is using router1 as a gateway then you have two subnets, no? |
| 08:11.47 | threat | SerajewelKS, thats right |
| 08:12.05 | aardvarq | It sounded, perhaps, like tar will unbzip2 those files that are extracted, but not compress those that are added. |
| 08:12.13 | peterS | aardvarq: ...but yes, the manpage is misleading, 'cj' does what you would expect, just like 'xj' or 'tj' do |
| 08:12.34 | Bogaurd | is there a debian package for dspam? |
| 08:12.44 | SerajewelKS | threat: so... put them on one subnet |
| 08:13.04 | SerajewelKS | threat: and turn your WAP's "router mode" or whatever off |
| 08:13.05 | threat | SerajewelKS, you mean bridge? |
| 08:13.09 | SerajewelKS | threat: basically |
| 08:13.15 | golly | if I have a script in cron, how do I get it to spawn a shell with some message for me? |
| 08:13.17 | SerajewelKS | threat: the WAP needs to act as a switch, more or less |
| 08:13.22 | threat | SerajewelKS, my WAP is a linux box |
| 08:13.52 | SerajewelKS | threat: then you can bridge or use two subnets |
| 08:13.59 | threat | SerajewelKS, if I have a routing daemon setup on the wlan, wouldnt that work ? |
| 08:14.11 | threat | wpa even |
| 08:14.13 | threat | wap |
| 08:14.16 | SerajewelKS | "routing daemon"? |
| 08:14.16 | threat | typo |
| 08:14.19 | SerajewelKS | you mean iptables? |
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| 08:14.29 | threat | no, I mean a routing daemon |
| 08:14.30 | threat | like bird |
| 08:14.33 | threat | or routed |
| 08:14.33 | Solet-deb | how do you snag output from a command into a text file? |
| 08:14.44 | Guerin | Solet-deb: > file |
| 08:14.46 | servus | mycommand > mytextfile |
| 08:15.02 | SerajewelKS | threat: why would you want to use a daemon when iptables will work |
| 08:15.04 | Eclipser | meh, something broke deadcats bash script on my box... |
| 08:15.04 | Guerin | Solet-deb: or > file 2>&1 for errors and normal output |
| 08:15.05 | servus | Or to put it into the file and output to the screen: mycommand | tee mytextfile |
| 08:15.07 | peterS | or ... | tee textfile if you also want to see it on screen |
| 08:15.18 | Eclipser | it worked fine for a while and then it just broke... |
| 08:15.18 | Guerin | i love tee |
| 08:15.19 | threat | SerajewelKS, I dont want to do MASQUERADE |
| 08:15.24 | kapil | Bogaurd: what is dspam |
| 08:15.25 | Solet-deb | thank you |
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| 08:15.49 | SerajewelKS | threat: that is *one* of iptables' functions |
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| 08:16.15 | threat | SerajewelKS, what do you suggest then ? |
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| 08:16.20 | Beleys | Bjour |
| 08:17.13 | threat | SerajewelKS, use the nat table? mangle? or someother table? |
| 08:17.15 | Yopyopyop | i want to downgrade from etch to sarge, i follow howto provide by the bot, i had setup /etc/apt/preferences but apt-get dist-upgrade/upgrade does not do anything, always got my nothing to install message |
| 08:17.47 | SerajewelKS | threat: you should just have to enable forwarding |
| 08:17.55 | threat | Yopyopyop, /etc/apt/preferences, is pin-priority for sarge set to -1 ? |
| 08:18.02 | threat | oop |
| 08:18.03 | golly | anyone?if I have a script in cron, how do I get it to spawn a shell with some message for me? |
| 08:18.05 | threat | I mean etch :) |
| 08:18.06 | golly | ?? |
| 08:18.08 | SerajewelKS | threat: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 08:18.13 | threat | SerajewelKS, ok |
| 08:18.28 | threat | SerajewelKS, you mean edit /etc/networks/options :P |
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| 08:18.36 | threat | SerajewelKS, this is a debain chan remember :P |
| 08:18.38 | SerajewelKS | threat: when you're done, yes |
| 08:18.50 | Yopyopyop | testing is lower than stable |
| 08:18.50 | SerajewelKS | threat: debian has nothing against messing with /proc while you're testing things |
| 08:18.56 | threat | :) |
| 08:19.03 | SerajewelKS | threat: once you find something that works, you put it in the config |
| 08:19.04 | Yopyopyop | i have to put the name and not the version ? |
| 08:19.07 | threat | SerajewelKS, its already set |
| 08:19.09 | threat | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 08:19.09 | threat | 1 |
| 08:19.13 | kapil | golly: setup a MAILTO |
| 08:19.19 | threat | SerajewelKS, aaight |
| 08:19.41 | golly | kapil: zat mean I need sendmail setup right? |
| 08:19.43 | litage | if you create an iso of /foo/bar/ with mkisofs, how do you include bar/ in the iso? |
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| 08:20.21 | jm_ | litage: mkisofs blabla /foo |
| 08:20.36 | kapil | golly: cron recommends mail-transport-agent |
| 08:20.43 | litage | jm_: that would include /foo/bar2/ though |
| 08:21.00 | jm_ | litage: no, it would includ econtents of /foo |
| 08:21.24 | golly | kapil: I'm not always on mail....a beeping msg would be better. |
| 08:21.38 | golly | beeping flashing loud annyoing msg |
| 08:21.38 | litage | jm_: right. so how would you include "bar/" but not include all of the contents of /foo ? |
| 08:21.52 | SerajewelKS | threat: is the wlan IP set as the gateway on the wireless device you're using? |
| 08:22.09 | konfuzed | yeah how do I get beep notifications for emails and irc updates |
| 08:22.37 | m4thm4n | litage the mkisofs -root option is your friend |
| 08:22.38 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 08:22.58 | jm_ | litage: /=/foo/bar with -graft-points |
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| 08:23.05 | jm_ | litage: make a test image first |
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| 08:23.30 | jm_ | yeah -root is the simpler variant of that |
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| 08:26.26 | kapil | to make a "testing" installation with debootstrap does one use sarge and upgrade or is "etch" the same as testing? |
| 08:26.26 | jm_ | etch is testing |
| 08:26.26 | SerajewelKS | threat? |
| 08:26.26 | kapil | jm_: thanks. |
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| 08:28.57 | positron | propably the most asked question but anyway: how do i search with apt-get? |
| 08:29.06 | SerajewelKS | positron: you don't |
| 08:29.20 | positron | SerajewelKS: wtF? |
| 08:29.23 | threat | SerajewelKS, what ? |
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| 08:29.28 | kapil | positron: apt-get search ... |
| 08:29.29 | SerajewelKS | positron: you search with apt-cache |
| 08:29.34 | SerajewelKS | kapil: no |
| 08:29.39 | positron | oh |
| 08:29.47 | kapil | SerajewelKS: thanks. my mistake. |
| 08:29.47 | positron | thx |
| 08:30.10 | SerajewelKS | threat: does the wireless device have as the gateway the IP of the wlan on linx? |
| 08:30.11 | threat | hmm I really need to get bridging working |
| 08:30.12 | SerajewelKS | linux too |
| 08:30.20 | threat | SerajewelKS, yes |
| 08:30.26 | SimonRaven | man apt will tell you the basic apt-* command there are. it's a meta man page of sorts |
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| 08:30.57 | SerajewelKS | threat: well then i would think it would work.. i've never done that before so i don't know |
| 08:31.21 | SimonRaven | commands* |
| 08:31.23 | SerajewelKS | threat: actually it very well might be working |
| 08:31.28 | SerajewelKS | threat: for outbound packets |
| 08:31.40 | SerajewelKS | threat: but when your router gets the inbound packet, it doesn't know where to send it |
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| 08:32.03 | SerajewelKS | threat: my guess anyway. using nat would solve that problem quickly. |
| 08:32.10 | Solet-deb | how do you use the hard drive as a source of gibberish to send random places to make sure its getting there... some one once had me do this to test my printer... i coulda sworn it was cat /dev/hda1 > file |
| 08:32.20 | SimonRaven | ebtables |
| 08:32.23 | SimonRaven | ? |
| 08:32.31 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: use /dev/random ? |
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| 08:33.12 | Solet-deb | SerajewelKS: thats really not an answer... |
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| 08:33.32 | trend | hello.. can someone help me figure out what ports i need to forward for tftpd? |
| 08:33.34 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: yes it is. you want a source of gibberish. /dev/random is gibberish. |
| 08:33.47 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: if you want to use a hard disk you have to be root; anyone can use /dev/random |
| 08:33.49 | Solet-deb | i got gibberish from the hdd |
| 08:33.50 | trend | my tftpd server is running on udp 69.. but I am getting wierd errors when trying to get/put via tftp |
| 08:33.52 | Solet-deb | i dont know how to get it htere |
| 08:34.00 | Solet-deb | but i am root |
| 08:34.01 | SimonRaven | getent services tftp |
| 08:34.05 | Solet-deb | lucky how that turns out :P |
| 08:34.06 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: why do you want to use the hard disk specifically? |
| 08:34.09 | Solet-deb | and it was grep |
| 08:34.17 | Solet-deb | cat wasnt working |
| 08:34.25 | Solet-deb | its grep /dev/hda1 > blah |
| 08:34.26 | trend | the file is created (when I put) but the contents isn't transfered.. and then i get a 'transfer timed out' on the client |
| 08:34.27 | Solet-deb | not cat |
| 08:34.44 | SimonRaven | what tftpd are you using? |
| 08:35.03 | trend | in.tftpd |
| 08:35.05 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: IMO it'd be less stupid to just find a big text file and use that |
| 08:35.31 | Solet-deb | i'm trouble shooting things remotely... |
| 08:35.34 | kapil | Solet-deb: "grep /dev/hda1" sounds bizarre. whatever works for you though :) |
| 08:35.37 | SimonRaven | which package? |
| 08:35.55 | SerajewelKS | threat: unless you need to run a server on a wireless device, masquerading is fine |
| 08:36.09 | SimonRaven | dpkg -S /usr/sbin/in.tftpd if you don't know |
| 08:36.09 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/sbin/in.tftpd if you don't know is installed! |
| 08:36.10 | Solet-deb | kapil: like i said some one gave me a similar line and sent it to lpt0 to test to see if my printer was working... |
| 08:36.23 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 08:36.35 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: shut up! |
| 08:36.35 | dpkg | get lost, jerkoff |
| 08:36.40 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 08:37.01 | tarzeau | damn how i do hate nfs stales, and damned linux can't reboot but just hangs for hours |
| 08:37.10 | SimonRaven | anyway, try atftpd see if that works |
| 08:37.11 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: what's wrong with echo hello world > blah |
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| 08:37.21 | trend | SimonRaven, the server isn't running debian.. just my client |
| 08:37.25 | tarzeau | and i hate idiot users that keep sending print jobs albeit they notice the job doesn't get printed |
| 08:37.33 | Pita | How do I find out the ip address of my current machine? |
| 08:37.43 | SerajewelKS | Pita: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 08:37.45 | trend | SimonRaven, i can tftp from my lan.. but from outside my lan (behind the linksys router) i get this wierd error |
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| 08:40.31 | Kontrabass | morning |
| 08:41.44 | Kontrabass | anybody familiar with installing suse fritzcard drivers on debian? |
| 08:43.04 | Kontrabass | i have some strange error while compiling them, there seem to be some path problems, dunno how to fix it though, dont understand it 100% |
| 08:43.20 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 08:44.29 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: show us the whole error |
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| 08:44.49 | Kontrabass | can i pm you the error |
| 08:44.53 | Kontrabass | or where should i post it |
| 08:45.02 | streuner_ | !tell Kontrabass about paster |
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| 08:45.27 | Kontrabass | yeah but how to use it? |
| 08:45.33 | Solet-deb | SerajewelKS: my way makes a bigger mess :P |
| 08:45.49 | Kontrabass | just pming the "paster"? |
| 08:46.02 | jm_ | no |
| 08:46.02 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: using /dev/urandom would make an even bigger mess |
| 08:46.07 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: just open the it via a browser and cut and paste |
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| 08:46.27 | Solet-deb | not if its an 80 gig hdd and your /home is on another 80gig hdd |
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| 08:46.39 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: /dev/random is bottomless |
| 08:46.50 | Solet-deb | in XF86Config-4, if its an nvidia card... the driver name is nvidia right? |
| 08:47.04 | Solet-deb | how do you stop it? |
| 08:47.16 | jm_ | nvidia is for nvidia's binary only driver, nv for free one |
| 08:47.17 | Kontrabass | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1242 |
| 08:47.27 | litage | thanks jm_ and m4thm4n |
| 08:47.29 | Solet-deb | ok thx |
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| 08:49.01 | Kontrabass | streuner, some of the errors are german language, if you dont understand it just shoot and i translate :) |
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| 08:49.45 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: what's the URL of the source? |
| 08:50.10 | Kontrabass | /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 08:50.23 | litage | quick question..what's perl complaining about?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kRxX9d92.html |
| 08:50.26 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: no, the third party URL |
| 08:50.46 | Kontrabass | third party url? |
| 08:51.06 | Kontrabass | from where i got the source? |
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| 08:51.16 | Kontrabass | sorry dont understand :( |
| 08:51.34 | Solet-deb | 0000:00:12.0 is PCI:00:12.0 as far as xf86config is concerned |
| 08:51.37 | Solet-deb | right? |
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| 08:51.45 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: die URL wo du das runtergeladen hast (sources) |
| 08:51.54 | Kontrabass | apt-get install |
| 08:52.01 | Kontrabass | afaik |
| 08:52.43 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: What modem is that exactly? |
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| 08:53.02 | Kontrabass | streuner, if it helps i can give you a root :) Its a Avm Fritzcard Pci |
| 08:53.05 | Kontrabass | isdn card |
| 08:53.43 | harrymofo | what program in debian messes with bios? |
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| 08:54.08 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: there exist an HOWTO for a DSL-FritzCard, it should mention how to compile that stuff... |
| 08:54.18 | Kontrabass | yeah |
| 08:54.27 | Kontrabass | its a isdn card, and i read some tutorials |
| 08:54.35 | Kontrabass | i think its not a problem of the install |
| 08:54.42 | Kontrabass | there seem to be some pathes wrong |
| 08:54.56 | Kontrabass | /bin/sh: line 1: scripts/mod/modpost: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 08:55.12 | golly | kapil |
| 08:55.35 | golly | kapil: do you know how to create a beep with a bash script? |
| 08:55.41 | Kontrabass | there is only a modpost.c |
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| 08:56.09 | harrymofo | something changed the setting on my hardware monitoring section like power fan from ignore to N/A |
| 08:56.17 | Kontrabass | streuner: i tried the whole yesterday evening finding out whats wrong but i have no clue |
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| 08:56.45 | harrymofo | N/A cuts the fan off |
| 08:57.47 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: you get those drivers only from avm |
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| 08:57.54 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: IIRC |
| 08:57.55 | Kontrabass | yes |
| 08:58.03 | Kontrabass | i got them from avm |
| 08:58.05 | benjamindees | harrymofo, acpi stuff maybe? |
| 08:58.06 | pownez | mornin' |
| 08:58.10 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: so what's the exact URL you downloaded it from? |
| 08:58.15 | Kontrabass | sec |
| 08:58.20 | harrymofo | how do you turn THAT off? |
| 08:58.23 | streuner_ | (which file) |
| 08:58.35 | Kontrabass | suse.91/ |
| 08:58.44 | Kontrabass | sec need to connect for full path |
| 08:58.53 | benjamindees | harrymofo, it's not enabled by default |
| 08:59.05 | vorsprung | is there a problem with www.uk.debian.org |
| 08:59.14 | harrymofo | good, but something did it |
| 08:59.16 | Kontrabass | ftp.avm.de/cardware/fritzcrd.pci/linux/ |
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| 08:59.22 | vorsprung | and ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 08:59.52 | fireba11 | vorsprung: jup .. no answer from there |
| 08:59.57 | pownez | i got a very simple question.. :) can some1 help me for 1 minute.. :) |
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| 09:00.15 | pownez | m running a cs server in my debian box.. i start it up with "./srcds_run -game cstrike +map de_dust -maxplayers 12" trough SSH. but when i close the ssh connection, the server will go offline.. (doh) How can i fix that? |
| 09:00.21 | pownez | its noobish i know :x |
| 09:00.23 | fireba11 | !tell pownez about ask |
| 09:00.32 | benjamindees | pownez, use screen |
| 09:00.37 | Kontrabass | run in it into screen |
| 09:00.39 | pownez | got it |
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| 09:00.48 | pownez | but when i close my connection to my server |
| 09:00.51 | pownez | its goed offline? :x |
| 09:00.59 | Kontrabass | no |
| 09:01.00 | chorse | Kontrabass, the kernel sources you are using probably are incomplete, broken or not |
| 09:01.00 | chorse | configured properly. |
| 09:01.21 | pownez | omfg. thats real shitty :x |
| 09:01.26 | Kontrabass | so i better download the sources again? |
| 09:01.39 | Kontrabass | and set a new symlink? |
| 09:01.41 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: Are you sure its the right sources, are you using DSL/ISDN controller _or_ only a ISDN controller? |
| 09:01.46 | pownez | yeah i might do that |
| 09:01.51 | Kontrabass | only isdn |
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| 09:02.17 | Kontrabass | pownez that answer was not about you ;) |
| 09:02.39 | pownez | ow lol |
| 09:02.39 | pownez | i see |
| 09:02.39 | pownez | :x |
| 09:02.41 | Kontrabass | somehow you can start your applications into screen |
| 09:02.52 | golly | anyone know how to create a beep with a bash script? |
| 09:02.54 | pownez | screen -A -m -d -S cs1-6server ./hlds_run -game cstrike +maxplayers 20 +map de_aztec should do the trick right ? |
| 09:02.54 | chorse | Kontrabass, /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 09:02.55 | chorse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:03.03 | vorsprung | golly, ctrl G |
| 09:03.10 | k1ckn1ck | hi |
| 09:03.16 | fireba11 | pownez: best would be to run it via init i guess ... |
| 09:03.29 | k1ckn1ck | what is the best email software to use with debian |
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| 09:03.51 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: ther's no such thing .. and what do you mean with "email software" ?MTA ? client ? |
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| 09:04.14 | vorsprung | k1ckn1ck, i use mutt, procmail and exim |
| 09:04.17 | k1ckn1ck | i want to create a email server on debian |
| 09:04.21 | Kontrabass | streuner, i habe an example howto |
| 09:04.26 | Kontrabass | and the guy used the same drivers |
| 09:04.30 | Kontrabass | on the same kernel |
| 09:04.36 | dondelelcaro | (with dovecot) |
| 09:04.48 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: i would suggest exim4 + dovecot if you ask me ... |
| 09:04.53 | k1ckn1ck | is postfix any good? |
| 09:04.54 | Kontrabass | "apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8" |
| 09:05.03 | Kontrabass | shall i download that again? |
| 09:05.09 | vorsprung | k1ckn1ck, God alone is good, my son |
| 09:05.25 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: I don't think you downloaded the right sources too |
| 09:05.33 | Kontrabass | uhm |
| 09:05.42 | Kontrabass | you mean kernel sources? |
| 09:05.44 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: the URL you gave us is for DSL |
| 09:05.51 | streuner_ | no |
| 09:05.52 | pingouin | !god |
| 09:05.53 | Kontrabass | ehm |
| 09:05.54 | Kontrabass | sec |
| 09:06.31 | Kontrabass | there is a seperate folder for fritzcard dsl |
| 09:06.39 | Kontrabass | im in the fritzcard.pci folder |
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| 09:06.55 | harrymofo | aptitude says I have 1 Broken which one how to find it? |
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| 09:07.04 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: ftp://ftp.avm.de/cardware/fritzcrd.pci/linux/suse.91/info.txt |
| 09:07.11 | blutengel | Hi. Welches Tex ist in debian aktuell? |
| 09:07.25 | fireba11 | !de |
| 09:07.25 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 09:07.26 | streuner_ | blutengel: 'Tex'? |
| 09:07.33 | Jay16K | blutengel, das ist der englischsprachige chan ;) |
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| 09:07.38 | blutengel | oops, sorry, wron channel |
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| 09:07.57 | blutengel | which Latex package is most modern in debian unstable? |
| 09:08.09 | streuner_ | blutengel: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 09:08.09 | Kontrabass | the dude in the tutorial exactly used the same files |
| 09:08.10 | blutengel | i find tetx, but it is ... well .. old |
| 09:08.13 | Kontrabass | hmm |
| 09:08.50 | k1ckn1ck | fireba11 what si exim4 |
| 09:08.54 | blutengel | streuner_: whats dpkg pdo? |
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| 09:09.13 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: MTA .. currently sarge still comes with exim3 as default i think .. |
| 09:09.28 | streuner_ | blutengel: /message dpkg (bot) pdo (factoid) |
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| 09:09.31 | pownez | #priv |
| 09:09.43 | k1ckn1ck | i dont know if i have debian sarge |
| 09:09.48 | pownez | Kontrabass |
| 09:09.54 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: then find out |
| 09:09.57 | pownez | can u come to #priv for a second ? |
| 09:09.59 | Kontrabass | streuner, i think those are the right sources |
| 09:09.59 | k1ckn1ck | how |
| 09:10.02 | Zugschlus | fireba11: no |
| 09:10.04 | k1ckn1ck | i havent even installed it yet |
| 09:10.11 | Kontrabass | pownez i dont know the commands |
| 09:10.19 | Kontrabass | i only did it a long while ago |
| 09:10.22 | pownez | "/j #priv" |
| 09:10.24 | pownez | :p |
| 09:10.26 | Zugschlus | fireba11: sarge installs with exim4, but woody and older updated to sarge will still have exim 3 |
| 09:10.37 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: hm .. sorry ... :-) |
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| 09:11.01 | pownez | ok nvm i`ll post it here |
| 09:11.05 | k1ckn1ck | just says debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 09:11.08 | pownez | this is what u meant right? |
| 09:11.08 | pownez | s1018:/usr/hl2# screen -list |
| 09:11.10 | pownez | There are screens on: |
| 09:11.11 | pownez | 1874.cs1 (Detached) |
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| 09:11.14 | k1ckn1ck | have i downloaded the right one :( |
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| 09:11.29 | pownez | lol |
| 09:11.38 | Kontrabass | streuner what do you propose: getting the kernel sources again? |
| 09:11.41 | pownez | spam protection :( |
| 09:11.47 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: debian 3.1 is sarge so yes |
| 09:11.48 | Kontrabass | use the url given |
| 09:11.57 | Kontrabass | and then post the lines to the web windows |
| 09:12.00 | veleno | hello. i'd like to record the audio from a real-player stream. is there some application in debian that allow me to do so ? |
| 09:12.03 | Kontrabass | and give out the link here |
| 09:12.08 | blutengel | streuner_: that does not help. an apt-cache search i can do myself. The problem is that tetex seems to be old and i thin i have read in debian news abount another tex dist. |
| 09:12.35 | streuner_ | Kontrabass: 1) use the *right* sources (avm), 2) apt-get install build-essential, 3) apt-get install kernel-header-files for your kernel. |
| 09:12.57 | Kontrabass | i got 3.) already |
| 09:13.27 | k1ckn1ck | sorry for keep bugging u fireba11 |
| 09:13.35 | Kontrabass | 2 is also done |
| 09:13.46 | k1ckn1ck | is there a web interface for the system? |
| 09:13.56 | k1ckn1ck | web gui i mean for dovecot |
| 09:14.02 | Kontrabass | 1.) that seem to be the right sources, ui have an fritzcard pci and the other sources dont fit |
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| 09:14.23 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: now why the hell do you want that |
| 09:14.54 | k1ckn1ck | easier to use :S |
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| 09:15.15 | k1ckn1ck | i have enuff problems keeping my existing linux email server running |
| 09:15.37 | pownez | does any1 knows how i can change the frequenty of my kernel? i want to run counter-strike gameservers at 1000 fps :)) i hearded i needed to change the kernell for that? |
| 09:15.48 | Chris_ | Hi all |
| 09:17.29 | Guerin | pownez: don't bother |
| 09:17.40 | pownez | ? |
| 09:17.46 | fireba11 | !confuse pownez |
| 09:17.46 | dpkg | No, where was my pants today, pownez? wellies of the republic of tibet with extra cheese |
| 09:18.09 | pownez | rofl |
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| 09:18.26 | pownez | buts i read everywere it kicks ass.. |
| 09:18.35 | pownez | lots of my customers want 1000fps servers |
| 09:18.36 | pownez | :) |
| 09:18.47 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: not that i know of .. there is no need for one too .. there are web interfaces to create users, aliases and such of course .. that would work with a lot of different MTAs ... |
| 09:19.21 | k1ckn1ck | ok |
| 09:19.39 | Kontrabass | streuner: do i need another symlink now |
| 09:19.43 | k1ckn1ck | so the only items i need installed are exim4 which is already installed and dovecot |
| 09:19.50 | vorsprung | pownez, how does running at a faster tick rate ( i assume that's what you mean ) make it "better" |
| 09:20.04 | Kontrabass | to the essentials? |
| 09:20.31 | pownez | (vorsprung) yeah but i can simply type in sys_tickrate 2000 but it wont help, cuz me kernel is capped right? |
| 09:20.42 | Kontrabass | or change the existing symlink to use the essentials instead? |
| 09:20.54 | Kontrabass | i mean instead of the 2.6.8 source |
| 09:21.14 | pownez | (vorsprung) it has something to do with fps |
| 09:21.16 | vorsprung | pownez, no idea. I am just curious as to why increasing the tick rate will make your counter strike server work better |
| 09:21.27 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: correct .. installing dovecot will most likely remove some pop and imap service since it can do both .. haven't tried yet |
| 09:21.30 | pownez | hitboxed.. looks like a lag |
| 09:21.35 | pownez | but different |
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| 09:21.48 | Kontrabass | hmmm ok the essentials are only a few files missing in the sources |
| 09:21.51 | pownez | if you aim next to the body, youll hit them |
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| 09:22.01 | pownez | with 1000fps not :) |
| 09:22.03 | Kontrabass | so how do i tell debian to take a look there also? |
| 09:22.05 | pownez | but thanks for your help all |
| 09:22.07 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want to make an icon always on top of my desktop, which tool can i use? |
| 09:22.15 | pownez | bye |
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| 09:23.26 | n1nj4-TaNten | how do i check if my net card works? |
| 09:23.42 | TraceGreen | n1nj4-TaNten, what card? |
| 09:23.43 | n1nj4-TaNten | i have installed debain basic (console) |
| 09:23.48 | n1nj4-TaNten | FA511 |
| 09:23.49 | loxley_ | n1nj4-TaNten: ping something |
| 09:23.50 | n1nj4-TaNten | netgear |
| 09:23.55 | vorsprung | oh i see, if the counter strike server isn't using all the CPU up then increasing the tick rate uses up that little bit of spare capacity and so increases the "frame rate" available to users |
| 09:23.59 | n1nj4-TaNten | just enter ping and a ip |
| 09:24.00 | n1nj4-TaNten | ? |
| 09:24.06 | liable | yes |
| 09:24.10 | n1nj4-TaNten | oky ill chekc |
| 09:24.11 | n1nj4-TaNten | brb |
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| 09:24.55 | fireba11 | wth? |
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| 09:25.18 | botsy | hi all |
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| 09:26.54 | Chris_ | anyway i can get a little in getting starting on installing a tar.gz file? |
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| 09:27.42 | loxley_ | Chris_: not recomended but tar -zxvf *.tar.gz then ./configure make make install |
| 09:27.48 | Kontrabass | what about unpacking it first? |
| 09:27.50 | Kontrabass | yupe |
| 09:28.47 | n1nj4-TaNten | loxley_ it says network is unreachable |
| 09:29.02 | n1nj4-TaNten | then my network card isn't installed |
| 09:29.05 | n1nj4-TaNten | ?? |
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| 09:29.17 | Kontrabass | i need to compile a fcpci driver from the kernel-sources and the kernel-kbuild essentials, they all are now in different directories, so how do i tell debian where to search what? |
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| 09:29.47 | Kontrabass | i have a symlink from lib/modules/build to the kernel sources |
| 09:29.56 | Chris_ | k ill try that thanks iam new at tar.gz files |
| 09:29.59 | stumbles | hi, i like the gparted interface -- are there any bootable mini distros that contain it? |
| 09:30.01 | Kontrabass | now how to use in addition the essentials= |
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| 09:30.19 | Kontrabass | kanotix 2005-04 |
| 09:30.28 | loxley_ | n1nj4-TaNten: dmesg |grep eth and see if it shows link up |
| 09:30.28 | n1nj4-TaNten | my network card is FA511 can any 1 help me installing it |
| 09:30.28 | Kontrabass | has qtparted on board afaik |
| 09:30.49 | Kontrabass | at least you can work with it on kde |
| 09:31.01 | Kontrabass | if that info helps :) |
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| 09:31.59 | stumbles | thanks Kontrabass |
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| 09:32.10 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 09:32.17 | n1nj4-TaNten | how do i write a "pipe" | on a laptop |
| 09:32.18 | n1nj4-TaNten | ??? |
| 09:32.26 | n1nj4-TaNten | i dont have that button |
| 09:32.29 | loxley_ | n1nj4-TaNten: maybe need the pcmcia packages , but you better ask someone else about that matter |
| 09:32.41 | Kontrabass | that iso is still beta stumbles, but it seems stable |
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| 09:32.58 | Kontrabass | alot of ppl use the 2005-04rc17 |
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| 09:33.18 | hent | n1nj4-TaNten: it might be using the "Fn" key (usually near right ctrl, and some other button (usually near return) |
| 09:33.30 | liable | n1nj4-TaNten: prolly on the / key |
| 09:33.45 | fireba11 | n1nj4-TaNten: have never seen a keyboard without it |
| 09:33.53 | dimir | !nickometer n1nj4-TaNten |
| 09:33.55 | dpkg | 'n1nj4-TaNten' is 41.000% lame, dimir |
| 09:33.57 | dimir | :-P |
| 09:33.57 | fireba11 | n1nj4-TaNten: could be somewhere else though |
| 09:34.02 | liable | n1nj4-TaNten: errr, the \ key :P |
| 09:34.21 | JohnFlux | how do I force install a deb depsite missing dependancies? |
| 09:34.44 | jm_ | JohnFlux: no-one is gonna help you with that :) |
| 09:34.44 | benjamindees | n1nj4-TaNten, if you're in kde, you can use kcharselect |
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| 09:35.02 | sanxiyn | GNU screen users, any of you see #291628? |
| 09:35.04 | Kontrabass | bbiab |
| 09:35.26 | liable | !dbugs 291628 |
| 09:35.28 | jm_ | sanxiyn: not me |
| 09:35.29 | dpkg | #291628:N[screen] screen: "Could not write /var/run/utmp: No such process"; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:18:02 UTC |
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| 09:35.38 | liable | sanxiyn: nup |
| 09:35.46 | sanxiyn | (I do...) |
| 09:36.06 | sanxiyn | It just disappears after reboot or so, and suddenly returns. |
| 09:36.07 | Chris_ | wow i see alot of people like Debian |
| 09:36.19 | sanxiyn | Chris_: ? |
| 09:36.22 | JohnFlux | jm_: why? it's a stupid broken package |
| 09:36.23 | n1nj4-TaNten | guys i am not kidding my vaio cant't write the pipe | |
| 09:36.29 | botsy | do you if with nmap it's possible to see what port is forward ? |
| 09:36.32 | n1nj4-TaNten | i have tried every button |
| 09:36.33 | liable | we are mostly bots.. :) |
| 09:36.35 | n1nj4-TaNten | with shift |
| 09:36.38 | n1nj4-TaNten | without |
| 09:36.43 | jm_ | JohnFlux: broken how? |
| 09:36.44 | n1nj4-TaNten | with altgr |
| 09:36.49 | n1nj4-TaNten | and fn |
| 09:36.54 | hent | use fn! |
| 09:36.59 | JohnFlux | I can't install kdelibs4c2 because it depends on libopenexr2c2 which doesn't exist and is replaced by libopenexr2c2a |
| 09:36.59 | hent | and read the blue texts |
| 09:37.01 | n1nj4-TaNten | i have tried |
| 09:37.03 | JohnFlux | jm_ ^^ |
| 09:37.04 | Chris_ | just seen alot of people swith to Gentoo |
| 09:37.13 | fireba11 | n1nj4-TaNten: it's supposed to be with alt-gr anyway |
| 09:37.15 | liable | n1nj4-TaNten: then ask your laptop manufacturer. |
| 09:37.15 | JohnFlux | jm_: it's a rc for kde3.5 |
| 09:37.31 | sanxiyn | JohnFlux: Sid is undergoing yet another C++ transition. |
| 09:37.38 | n1nj4-TaNten | i have too alt buttons |
| 09:37.42 | JohnFlux | sanxiyn: *blinks* |
| 09:37.44 | n1nj4-TaNten | i supos the one to the right is altgr |
| 09:37.47 | JohnFlux | sanxiyn: to which? |
| 09:37.49 | sanxiyn | JohnFlux: Surely, kdelibs4c2*a* depends on libopenexr2c2*a*. |
| 09:37.50 | JohnFlux | sanxiyn: 4? |
| 09:37.52 | n1nj4-TaNten | but its not working |
| 09:37.56 | Chris_ | where i stayed with a debian based Linux |
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| 09:38.08 | sanxiyn | JohnFlux: C++ standard library internal. -2 suffix to -2a suffix. |
| 09:38.09 | JohnFlux | sanxiyn that doesn't exist either ;) |
| 09:38.09 | hent | n1nj4-TaNten: there is a button right next to your left hand shift |
| 09:38.17 | hent | n1nj4-TaNten: press shift and that button |
| 09:38.27 | benjamindees | n1nj4-TaNten, hold down the left alt button and type 124 on the number pad, release alt |
| 09:38.28 | liable | n1nj4-TaNten: #debian cannot help you with this. |
| 09:38.38 | JohnFlux | sanxiyn sounds confusing. what does -2 and -2a mean? |
| 09:38.41 | hent | n1nj4-TaNten: it should say it on it even |
| 09:38.48 | Solet-deb | are there any decent, stable, and functional 3d desktop environment supporting display managers? |
| 09:38.50 | sanxiyn | JohnFlux: http://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions |
| 09:38.59 | sanxiyn | JohnFlux: Read "C++ allocator transition" linked there. |
| 09:39.03 | Solet-deb | and if so, do they work on multi head systems? |
| 09:39.08 | jm_ | JohnFlux: yeah C++ allocator change |
| 09:39.24 | JohnFlux | sanxiyn: okay. btw I couldn't find anything in the man page about -2 |
| 09:39.44 | jm_ | that's just a version string |
| 09:40.18 | JohnFlux | jm_ oh right |
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| 09:41.10 | M00nD0g | Hi all ! I have a small question about Honeypots. |
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| 09:41.58 | Chris_ | hey guys and Gals is ok if i just hung out here a bit to watch? |
| 09:42.14 | liable | Chris_: we cant stop you :) |
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| 09:42.24 | loxley_ | M00nD0g: honey is good on sandwiches |
| 09:42.24 | Chris_ | thanks :) |
| 09:42.28 | M00nD0g | For teaching reasons, I would like to create an environment with weaker security (de-activation of non-executable stack and of some ASLR features). |
| 09:42.37 | deadcat | Chris_: no. theres a loitering fee |
| 09:42.39 | hent | Chris_: you see 748 people chatting? ;) |
| 09:42.56 | M00nD0g | Does a software provide already such features ? |
| 09:43.08 | liable | deadcat: is that where all that free beer comes from? |
| 09:43.18 | Chris_ | no not atm i dont |
| 09:43.19 | deadcat | yes |
| 09:43.19 | M00nD0g | I mean, a configurable kernel |
| 09:43.40 | loxley_ | M00nD0g: there are the honey daemon |
| 09:43.45 | deadcat | Chris_: the first minute is $1.99, additional minutes are .99$ |
| 09:43.53 | Chris_ | lol |
| 09:44.06 | Chris_ | you take money orders |
| 09:44.07 | deadcat | Chris_: sould familiar eh? |
| 09:44.07 | jm_ | that's why they don't chat! |
| 09:44.08 | M00nD0g | loxley_: tinyhoneypot and honeyd |
| 09:44.17 | loxley_ | M00nD0g: yes |
| 09:44.25 | deadcat | Chris_: no cashier's check |
| 09:44.36 | Chris_ | oh k |
| 09:44.44 | M00nD0g | loxley_: But they are running on a specific kernel which seems to be the copy of the one running on my machine (not a weaker). |
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| 09:45.05 | M00nD0g | loxley_: How would you point a specific kernel that you want to run on ? |
| 09:45.22 | M00nD0g | (I can modify a kernel to behave as I what) |
| 09:45.35 | Icarus | hey, i have the oppurtunity to buy an Sun netra X1 with an UltraSPARC IIi (Sapphire-Red) CPU. This is a version9 CPU from sun which means its a 64bit system. If i look on FTP servers i dont see any real notion that the SPARC debian distro is in fact 64 bit. Or is this normal. In other words if i install the SPARC kernel, will it work like it is supposed to? |
| 09:46.14 | loxley_ | M00nD0g: do you actually want ppl to break into the box? i mean, you can always log their behaviour anyways |
| 09:46.44 | benjamindees | Icarus, http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ |
| 09:46.50 | snail | Icarus: ask in #debian-sparc |
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| 09:47.25 | M00nD0g | loxley_: The log feature is no use for me. I just would like to provide to my student an environment where to try simple buffer-overflow before trying to raise the security level little by little. |
| 09:47.34 | Icarus | thx snail |
| 09:47.50 | M00nD0g | s/student/students/ |
| 09:47.56 | loxley_ | M00nD0g: ohh.. hmm.. |
| 09:48.10 | Icarus | i didnt know there was a separate chennel |
| 09:48.19 | Chris_ | whats the most populer version of Debian everybody is runny here? |
| 09:48.39 | azeem | Chris_: various |
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| 09:48.53 | azeem | you're trying to make a poll, that won't work out very well I guess |
| 09:49.10 | Chris_ | not a poll was just wondering |
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| 09:49.33 | azeem | Chris_: well, how should we all know without everybody saying what they use? |
| 09:49.34 | GNULinux | I am having trouble using mx CD-RW on windows machine (it doesnt read the CD), I did mkisofs -o file.iso file.avi ; cdrecord file.iso ...I can play the file under linux, but not in windows? |
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| 09:50.02 | Chris_ | well i didnt mean for it to be a poll |
| 09:50.04 | azeem | GNULinux: well, ask in #windows? |
| 09:50.05 | Paivakil | GNULinux: enable joliet extensions |
| 09:50.22 | pingouin | GNULinux: lol |
| 09:50.40 | oski | /quit |
| 09:50.44 | loxley_ | M00nD0g: if you got some old iso's lying around somewhere maybe installing them would do what you are looing for..? and not updating... |
| 09:51.20 | Phated | looing for, heh. |
| 09:51.31 | loxley_ | gahh |
| 09:52.00 | M00nD0g | loxley_: That was my first idea. It's the simpler one. :) After all, simple is beautiful ! ;-) Tak for hjlp. |
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| 09:53.04 | loxley_ | M00nD0g: you're welcome |
| 09:53.17 | snail | Icarus: it's low volume and you'll probably have to wait for an answer, but they should know everything |
| 09:53.22 | M00nD0g | loxley_: Er du svensk ? |
| 09:53.40 | loxley_ | M00nD0g: in english.. but yes |
| 09:53.45 | M00nD0g | ok ! :) |
| 09:54.13 | M00nD0g | I do speak a bit danish. I'm afraid swedish is out of reach for me. |
| 09:54.16 | M00nD0g | See you. |
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| 09:57.15 | mhall | I'm trying to use kontact version 1.1.2 from KDE 3.4.3 and I can't get anything working when I start kontact, all I get is a blank slate app with no toolbars and not much in the way of menu options. So now I'm not sure what to do to get a contact database going and get it up and running. |
| 09:57.50 | mhall | Phated: I agree 'looing for' is pretty ironic. |
| 09:57.59 | loxley_ | ;) |
| 09:58.29 | GNULinux | Paivakil: even with mkisofs -J i cant make it readable |
| 09:59.55 | Phated | mhall: Heh. |
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| 10:02.49 | Chris_ | hey 1 more question is there any Debian Linux that will run on a 233mhz with 98megs of ram ? |
| 10:02.57 | Phated | Probably. |
| 10:03.00 | albero | hi, how can I temporarily bypass the autostart scripts I put into .kde/Autostart folder? |
| 10:03.03 | azeem | Chris_: sure |
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| 10:03.27 | azeem | Chris_: you should have about 1.5GB harddisk space at least to be somewhat comfortable, though |
| 10:03.41 | Chris_ | got that |
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| 10:03.57 | azeem | Chris_: just don't select the desktop task upon installation, but choose a lightweight window manager, should you decide to run X |
| 10:03.58 | Phated | lots of swap! |
| 10:04.01 | albero | I don't want to permamently the script, I only want to skip it for example by pressing a key |
| 10:04.48 | Chris_ | so what would be the best 1? |
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| 10:05.02 | azeem | 1? |
| 10:05.08 | azeem | Chris_: what are your options? |
| 10:05.12 | Phated | Try openbox, fluxbox... XFCE4 -might- run... |
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| 10:05.54 | Chris_ | anything thats debian that my kids could use |
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| 10:06.10 | azeem | Chris_: install sarge then |
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| 10:06.36 | azeem | Chris_: and try one of openbox, fluxbox, wmaker as window manager, I guess |
| 10:07.01 | azeem | Chris_: the tough part will be choosing a web browser your kids will like and which will run reasonably well |
| 10:07.14 | Phated | Dillo. |
| 10:07.18 | Guerin | xfce4 will run *fine* on that machine |
| 10:07.31 | Guerin | as will firefox |
| 10:07.32 | Phated | Oh, xfce4 then, the mouse is cute. |
| 10:07.33 | Guerin | honestly |
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| 10:07.55 | Guerin | the only problems would be openoffice, kde and gnome |
| 10:08.03 | J_P | hi all |
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| 10:08.29 | mhall | hell firefox works on my ultra 10 333 |
| 10:08.47 | mhall | kde is fine with bells + whistles tuned down |
| 10:09.13 | azeem | let's not get over-optimistic here |
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| 10:09.37 | mhall | mmm |
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| 10:11.18 | Chris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.25 | Phated | Good man. |
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| 10:11.46 | mhall | mmmhmm |
| 10:11.58 | mhall | computers were the best presents i ever got |
| 10:12.20 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 10:12.31 | Chris_ | trying to get them use to Linux and away from windows lol |
| 10:12.40 | SlayerXP | the best present I ever got was the book of sex cheques |
| 10:12.42 | Phated | And that's the best present you can give a kid. |
| 10:12.47 | tarzeau | awful crap of GLX missing message |
| 10:12.49 | mhall | Phated: if you don't mind me asking an old tired question how did you get into linux btw |
| 10:12.55 | tarzeau | i so hate these non-free graphcis drivers |
| 10:13.10 | mhall | tarzeau: me too |
| 10:13.18 | mhall | tarzeau: but there's nothing to be done |
| 10:13.18 | ircdevil | tarzeau: me too |
| 10:13.27 | Phated | mhall: Oh, let's see... I came across it, and googled... and found a book at the library... and got a $200 system from my mom's office... |
| 10:13.28 | tarzeau | mhall: you know supertux from svn/cvs don't run without nonfree drivers anymore |
| 10:13.36 | SlayerXP | mhall: yes there is, don't buy the hardware. |
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| 10:13.43 | mhall | tarzeau: that's fucked up |
| 10:13.44 | tarzeau | mhall: murder all shopkeepers of nvidia hardware |
| 10:13.47 | tarzeau | and ati too |
| 10:13.50 | mhall | SlayerXP: ok and then what do you get |
| 10:13.58 | mhall | SlayerXP: oh wait, that's right, nothing |
| 10:14.06 | ircdevil | develop more fun ascii only games! |
| 10:14.08 | SlayerXP | mhall: no idea, I don't give a crap about the non-free drivers :) |
| 10:14.20 | ircdevil | nethack now as counter strike! |
| 10:14.34 | Chris_ | lol |
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| 10:15.09 | saxx | i have problem with locale settings. under windowmaker i run for instance OO.o or tkabber and locales is are en, i cant write in my language(slovak) , but when i run apps from rxvt 9because of .bashrc lang exports) all is ok. so where sholud i put LANG setings to hawe Xorg run for specific user in my language? |
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| 10:15.25 | mhall | my big problem with the nonfree drivers is they don't run well on non x86 |
| 10:15.35 | tarzeau | mhall: i got the same problem |
| 10:15.37 | mhall | other than that at least for nvidia if you call and complain the stuff is supported |
| 10:15.40 | tarzeau | mhall: powerpc? |
| 10:15.42 | mhall | and will generally bix fixed |
| 10:15.47 | mhall | be* |
| 10:16.02 | mhall | tarzeau: yeah and sparc |
| 10:16.08 | tarzeau | mhall: i would love to have it all precompiled for me just to apt-get install . from MAIN |
| 10:16.14 | tarzeau | but no. nvidia is special bullshit |
| 10:16.20 | tarzeau | they need special loving and shit |
| 10:16.35 | mhall | hehe |
| 10:16.39 | Chris_ | took me half the night to get my nic driver back loaded and still havent got my sound loaded back yet |
| 10:16.40 | mhall | yes |
| 10:16.45 | mhall | special loving of your anus |
| 10:16.47 | mhall | oof |
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| 10:20.17 | Solet-deb | has anyone ever tried a 3d desktop? |
| 10:20.27 | Solet-deb | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=59688 <-- such as this one for example... |
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| 10:21.23 | Solet-deb | whats a .rpm? and can i make it install on debian? |
| 10:21.32 | SlayerXP | Phated: http://psp.weebls-stuff.com/mp3/happy_badgers.mp3 |
| 10:21.39 | tarzeau | !rpm |
| 10:21.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method, or robot power ... |
| 10:21.42 | smarco | Solet-deb, thats no desktop, just a 3D pager |
| 10:21.44 | mhall | Solet-deb: apt-get install alien |
| 10:21.45 | Phated | ... I'm not sure I want to listen. |
| 10:21.49 | loxley_ | Solet-deb: its in stable |
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| 10:21.57 | mhall | Solet-deb: but don't do it unless you absolutely have to do it |
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| 10:22.47 | Solet-deb | hrm... it is just a page flipper... son of a bitch |
| 10:22.55 | mhall | tarzeau: nexenta |
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| 10:23.10 | mhall | Solet-deb: ? |
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| 10:23.24 | Solet-deb | mhall? |
| 10:23.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh |
| 10:23.37 | Solet-deb | do you know of any good 3d desktops? |
| 10:23.41 | tarzeau | mhall: true |
| 10:23.42 | liran | hey Guerin |
| 10:23.44 | tarzeau | Solet-deb: no |
| 10:23.46 | smarco | Solet-deb, try metisse |
| 10:23.50 | tarzeau | Solet-deb: unless you love 1 frame per second |
| 10:23.54 | Solet-deb | the only good one i've come across is for windows... |
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| 10:24.09 | Solet-deb | whats metisse? |
| 10:24.48 | smarco | Solet-deb, its a 3d windowmanager |
| 10:24.51 | mhall | Solet-deb: was trying to comprehend page flipper comment |
| 10:24.54 | saxx | i have problem with locale settings. under windowmaker i run for instance OO.o or tkabber and locales is are en, i cant write in my language(slovak) , but when i run apps from rxvt 9because of .bashrc lang exports) all is ok. so where sholud i put LANG setings to hawe Xorg run for specific user in my language? |
| 10:25.20 | Solet-deb | mhall: sry i've been up for 42 hours... my coherence is slowly waning |
| 10:25.32 | mhall | Solet-deb: nice work |
| 10:25.33 | azeem | saxx: /etc/environment, maybe |
| 10:25.36 | mhall | Solet-deb: esp the 42 part hehe |
| 10:25.43 | mhall | Solet-deb: a very good number |
| 10:25.46 | mhall | Solet-deb: why so long btw |
| 10:25.58 | Solet-deb | finals start next wek |
| 10:26.00 | Solet-deb | week* |
| 10:26.11 | Solet-deb | i have a shit load of stuff to get done before then |
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| 10:26.40 | trueno | Hi! how can I know the latest version of KDE, firefox packaged in debian |
| 10:26.42 | mhall | Solet-deb: where are you |
| 10:26.55 | Solet-deb | salina kansas usa |
| 10:26.57 | Solet-deb | why? |
| 10:26.58 | mhall | !tell trueno about pdo |
| 10:27.02 | mhall | Solet-deb: i meant schoolwise |
| 10:27.06 | mhall | Solet-deb: just random curiosity |
| 10:27.08 | sanxiyn | Solet-deb: Stop IRC now. |
| 10:27.11 | Solet-deb | second semester freshmen |
| 10:27.19 | mhall | Solet-deb: like college or ... |
| 10:27.20 | yaboo | is there a link to transfer from lilo to grub under debian |
| 10:27.29 | Solet-deb | sanxiyn: oi? blow me? |
| 10:27.40 | Solet-deb | mhall... its fun all cept that school part |
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| 10:27.54 | mhall | Solet-deb: yeah i am in same boat |
| 10:28.03 | mhall | Solet-deb: got way behind on cptg theory assignments |
| 10:28.07 | mhall | Solet-deb: which are a bitch to do |
| 10:28.11 | saxx | azeem, NOT ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE thi si system wide setting. |
| 10:28.18 | trueno | mhall -- yes, I have gone there, but the version number of the debian packages don't seen to match those of the "official" releases of KDE,... What am I doing wrong? |
| 10:28.31 | Solet-deb | i managed to fall a semester behind in html just cause it was a 9:30 class and i can never drag my ass out of bed |
| 10:28.35 | saxx | i wana onl for specific user to have local as they want. |
| 10:28.44 | saxx | azeem, |
| 10:29.12 | mhall | trueno: uh yeah they do |
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| 10:29.27 | mhall | trueno: it's just stuff gets added on the end when we patch the code |
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| 10:29.36 | azeem | saxx: eh? no need to scream |
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| 10:29.54 | azeem | saxx: if you don't want to have it system-wide, try ~/.xsession? |
| 10:30.09 | kneet | yaboo, the link I have is http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-grub.php but myrddin isn't resolving for me right now :( |
| 10:30.14 | mhall | trueno: 3.4.3 is what i have |
| 10:30.30 | mhall | trueno: from unstable / experimental |
| 10:30.31 | trueno | mhall -- I mean, 4:3.4.3-3 should be KDE 3.4, so maybe it is just that 3.5 is still not in .deb form, right? |
| 10:30.45 | mhall | trueno: yeah it only came out couple weeks ago |
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| 10:30.50 | mhall | trueno: and kde is hard to compile right |
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| 10:31.48 | sanxiyn | mhall: Is it? |
| 10:32.15 | mhall | sanxiyn: yeah pretty tough |
| 10:32.19 | trueno | mhall: now I get the point, then I was just reading wrong, something like 4.3.4.3-3 instead of 3.4.XX. By the way, what's the 4: at the beginning of the version number? |
| 10:32.25 | Ethics | any unstable users have issues with k3b? im going to pull it down using pinning just want to know if theres known issues? |
| 10:32.34 | Solet-deb | is that metisse thing part of debian sarge? and will it work on a multi head system? |
| 10:32.37 | sanxiyn | mhall: Is it harder than GNOME? |
| 10:32.40 | mhall | trueno: yeah i'm not sure about how they work, i'd post to debian-user@lists.debian.org about that |
| 10:32.43 | mhall | sanxiyn: no idea |
| 10:32.58 | saxx | azeem, can you give me a hint vhere i found som help abou syntax in this file ? |
| 10:32.59 | sanxiyn | trueno: 4: is epoch. |
| 10:32.59 | mhall | sanxiyn: i don't use GNOME because it's the WORST. INTERFACE. EVAR. |
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| 10:33.14 | Johnnycub | can any one tell me were i might find some info on writeing a front end gui for streeming on debain c+ i think |
| 10:33.26 | Ethics | mhall: ill raise you a windows 2K/XP on that one |
| 10:33.27 | saxx | azeem, soty for CapsLock |
| 10:33.31 | azeem | saxx: ~/.xsession is executed shell code |
| 10:33.38 | Guerin | Johnnycub: #c or #c++ |
| 10:33.45 | mhall | Ethics: not biting |
| 10:33.47 | azeem | AFAIK, anyway |
| 10:33.52 | Ethics | mhall hehhe... |
| 10:33.54 | mhall | Ethics: GNOME's menus are harder for me to use |
| 10:34.02 | Guerin | Johnnycub: when you decide whether you want to + a + or - one |
| 10:34.02 | Johnnycub | Guerin ty |
| 10:34.09 | mhall | Ethics: note i didn't say windows was good, just less bad |
| 10:34.15 | trueno | sanxiyn: epoch? |
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| 10:34.23 | mhall | Ethics: and in interface only |
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| 10:34.27 | Ethics | mhall...try using network neighbourhood to get "entire Network' hehe |
| 10:34.29 | Guerin | mhall: statement always returns false |
| 10:34.33 | saxx | azeem, ok but where i can find this ifnormation ? |
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| 10:34.41 | azeem | trueno: it is an artefact of the Debian packaging |
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| 10:34.57 | azeem | saxx: among the X documentation, I assume |
| 10:35.11 | trueno | azeem: nothing to do with section or anything like that, then? |
| 10:35.18 | azeem | correct |
| 10:35.24 | mhall | Guerin: to analogize, GNOME would be non Turing recognizable |
| 10:35.36 | mhall | Guerin: and Windows would loop instead of cleanly rejecting |
| 10:35.46 | azeem | mhall: the /really/ cool dudes don't argue about desktop environments |
| 10:35.50 | saxx | azeem, thnx for answers. |
| 10:36.02 | SlayerXP | # Rubber duckie, joy of joys, when I squeeze you, you make noise |
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| 10:36.15 | Solet-deb | ummm... whoever told me about metisse sucks because it says in the documentation everywhere that its not a 3d desktop |
| 10:36.15 | mhall | lol i'm signing off now |
| 10:36.17 | mhall | cya all |
| 10:36.26 | Guerin | !confuse mhall |
| 10:36.26 | dpkg | Yes, how are your weasel today, mhall? shirts of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 10:36.31 | mhall | oh and fuck kingsley that fucking asshole |
| 10:36.37 | mhall | i want to fuck his shit up for sure |
| 10:36.39 | azeem | mhall-- |
| 10:36.45 | saxx | azeem, i will do STFW (Search the Fucking Web)-documentation. but i'll keeping doing this for 2 day's without solution. :-( |
| 10:36.53 | Phated | On the contrary, mhall++. |
| 10:37.09 | azeem | saxx: just try to "export LANG=foo" at the top of ~/.xsession first |
| 10:37.19 | sanxiyn | Monarchy of Liechtenstein. |
| 10:37.20 | sanxiyn | I like that. |
| 10:37.40 | Solet-deb | !confuse dpkg |
| 10:37.40 | dpkg | No, those is their bacon today, dpkg? pants of the dictatorship of tibet with extra crabpaste |
| 10:37.49 | Phated | Eeep |
| 10:38.56 | smarco | Solet-deb, it is. it uses opengl to draw the windows. go read the website and plz dont study so you become a loser and we all can laugh at you. |
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| 10:39.56 | Solet-deb | smarco: it uses opengl to draw the windows... thats just sexy for it... does it put them into a 3d environment? |
| 10:40.01 | trueno | bye! |
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| 10:41.10 | Eclipser | !tell smarco ~about plz |
| 10:41.15 | Eclipser | erf! |
| 10:41.16 | Eclipser | !plz |
| 10:41.17 | dpkg | well, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 10:41.29 | Johnnycub | thanks agian for the help |
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| 10:41.50 | DwyaneWade | what should i apt-get install if i wish to isntall ncurses? |
| 10:41.51 | Solet-deb | http://www.hamar.sk/sphere/screenshots.html <------- would be just fuckin sexy if they made it for linux too |
| 10:41.57 | DwyaneWade | there is no package in cache named ncurses |
| 10:42.11 | Guerin | DwyaneWade: apt-cache search libncurses |
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| 10:42.36 | Eclipser | Solet-deb, what's so sexy about that |
| 10:42.57 | Eclipser | I find that rather disturbing |
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| 10:43.06 | DwyaneWade | Guerin: is the widecharacter support better than the normal one? |
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| 10:43.18 | Solet-deb | dude you can push windows away |
| 10:43.23 | Solet-deb | you can move around |
| 10:43.26 | jordan | Does anyone know what brands make the best towers for a system with 5-10 hard drives? |
| 10:43.41 | raboof | I have installed gcc, but that didn't add executables like 'cc' and 'c++' (which on another machine are symlinks to gcc/g++ via /etc/alternatives) |
| 10:43.41 | Eclipser | Solet-deb, it's still disturbing |
| 10:43.44 | Eclipser | and waste of resources |
| 10:43.50 | raboof | which package puts these alternatives in place? |
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| 10:44.07 | fireba11 | jordan: depends on what you want in there with 'em .. |
| 10:44.09 | Solet-deb | so were your mothers reproductive organs apparently.... |
| 10:44.19 | azeem | Solet-deb: please behave |
| 10:44.42 | Guerin | DwyaneWade: libncurses has widecharacter support. I don't know whether it's better than anything else, particularly if you can't specify what it might be better than. |
| 10:44.42 | Solet-deb | yeah well... he was talkin shit on the sexyness... |
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| 10:44.58 | azeem | Solet-deb: but he wasn't getting personal |
| 10:45.22 | raboof | Solet-deb: plus, you don't want us to think about you what you think about him, right? |
| 10:45.31 | smarco | Solet-deb, you should grow up a little, try studying. |
| 10:45.37 | jordan | fireball: a basic system as a file server, so effective cooling of many hard drives is importatnt |
| 10:45.54 | Solet-deb | i've been studying for 38 out of the last 42 hours... |
| 10:45.58 | Solet-deb | i'm almost caught up |
| 10:46.22 | Solet-deb | all i got left is a shit load of html... a program to write... and a writing portfolio to put together |
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| 10:46.34 | fireba11 | jordan: if you want to be able to fit 10 HDs in a bigtower without overheating it chieftec got some good options .. if you only need to fit 5 HDs in there almost every case of better quality will be able to hold them with reasonable cooling ... |
| 10:46.44 | Solet-deb | I'm hoping to be done with everything by noon so i can pass the fuck out |
| 10:47.01 | jordan | you know anything about the quality of getting an older Sun or SGI case and gutting them out? |
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| 10:47.04 | saxx | azeem, problem is that i do not have .xsession at all |
| 10:47.05 | Guerin | Solet-deb: so go and do it already |
| 10:47.12 | azeem | saxx: then create it |
| 10:47.19 | azeem | saxx: how do you start X? |
| 10:47.38 | Solet-deb | Guerin: i cant.... for the program i need access to the labs which arent open yet... |
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| 10:47.54 | jordan | cause alot of those 5 year old top of the line systems are only a couple hundred bucks, and seem to have well designed chassis/fans |
| 10:48.01 | Chris_ | later all and thanks for the help |
| 10:48.17 | Solet-deb | i cant start on the html untill 8 when i can get adderal back in me... (adhdfied html code is scary shit) |
| 10:48.36 | Solet-deb | and i'm in no shape to be proof reading essays... i'm gonna need help |
| 10:48.54 | Solet-deb | and i sure as hell cant go to sleep now... if i do i wont wake up till midnight |
| 10:49.14 | jordan | are there any good sites you can recommend that discuss different casses in building a file server? |
| 10:49.40 | Solet-deb | how big a file server? |
| 10:49.43 | saxx | from gdm |
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| 10:49.55 | Solet-deb | cause i know a lianli case that holds like 14 hdds |
| 10:50.27 | jordan | maybe 5-10 |
| 10:50.40 | jordan | i mainly care about cooling and expansion options |
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| 10:51.09 | Solet-deb | well... its a modders dream but frozencpu.com has a case called the hyper cube |
| 10:51.12 | Solet-deb | its double wide |
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| 10:51.21 | Solet-deb | the mobo is in the middle |
| 10:51.27 | saxx | azeem, from gdm |
| 10:51.31 | Solet-deb | and behind it its like another case.... |
| 10:51.34 | Solet-deb | all for hdds |
| 10:51.35 | azeem | saxx: oh |
| 10:51.42 | azeem | saxx: then just choose the locale there |
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| 10:51.52 | Solet-deb | its orgasmicly delicious... |
| 10:51.59 | jordan | hmm |
| 10:52.12 | jordan | they dont just build the cases straight up anymore? |
| 10:52.18 | Guerin | Solet-deb: would you mind telling #whogivesafuck instead? |
| 10:52.25 | Solet-deb | cause that would be ugly |
| 10:52.26 | jordan | like an SGI Origin200 style chassis |
| 10:52.33 | saxx | azeem, sorr for disturbing with such stupid question, now i see, thah i is not so complicated. |
| 10:52.44 | Solet-deb | Guerin: he was asking about cases that would make good fileservers |
| 10:52.50 | azeem | saxx: no problem |
| 10:52.52 | jordan | that holds 5i think, but you can link a second tower to it with their bandwidth sharing connections |
| 10:53.02 | Guerin | Solet-deb: which is offtopic |
| 10:53.08 | Guerin | #hardware |
| 10:53.15 | Solet-deb | so yell at him... he started it |
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| 10:53.20 | Solet-deb | i was just trying to be nice |
| 10:53.45 | azeem | Solet-deb: a certain amount of off-topicness is tolerated here, but we try to cut down discussions which drift off |
| 10:54.10 | Solet-deb | he asked about server cases... i named 2 good ones |
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| 10:54.28 | Solet-deb | no one died.... |
| 10:54.35 | azeem | took you quite a lot of lines to spell that out :P |
| 10:54.40 | azeem | anyway, right, no issue |
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| 10:54.50 | SlayerXP | so, any tips for whelk-fishing? |
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| 10:55.06 | Guerin | SlayerXP: http://totl.net |
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| 10:55.15 | Guerin | (best site of all time, BTW) |
| 10:55.18 | Solet-deb | i appologize for the number of lines... 'm a bit tired :S lost the keyboard earlier... it was on my lap :P |
| 10:56.55 | Solet-deb | i'm gonna go have a smoke and play in the snow... cause there's nothing else to do at 5am |
| 10:57.12 | smarco | Solet-deb, yes very interesting, byebye. |
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| 10:57.51 | Guerin | Solet-deb: there's this thing called 'sleep' that is usually not stupid |
| 10:58.20 | Solet-deb | guerin scroll up... i dont have time to sleep.... |
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| 10:58.41 | Solet-deb | i'm just waiting till the sun comes up so i can drug myself back to awakeness |
| 10:59.03 | smarco | why does this channel not have ops? |
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| 10:59.38 | Ronin | smarco: it does have them |
| 10:59.46 | Ronin | just not currently oped is all |
| 10:59.49 | tomiq | hi:) my gnome desktop somehow didn't start... everything except it worx fine. I'm using testing... did you encounter the same problem? |
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| 11:00.13 | N-0-X | hello! |
| 11:00.30 | ma3x | are the following flags correct for mounting an external disk partition? rw,user,noauto |
| 11:00.39 | ma3x | /dev/sda1 on /media/usb0 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 11:00.40 | ma3x | is that alright? |
| 11:00.58 | N-0-X | Linux rox, Debian rox! I just did a chroot for my amd64 machine, and it's just pure love! |
| 11:01.00 | Guerin | ma3x: that can work. It depends what you want. |
| 11:01.03 | N-0-X | goodbye :) |
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| 11:01.24 | ma3x | Guerin, what mean these two: noexec and nodev? |
| 11:02.04 | Guerin | ma3x: man mount |
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| 11:03.50 | fatal | ma3x: no matter what you do with chmod and mknod, no files on the device will be considered executables or device files. |
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| 11:05.20 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 11:05.28 | amorphix | can someone ping this host for me 210.66.113.68 |
| 11:05.31 | ma3x | I am having a problem understanding that |
| 11:05.42 | ma3x | fatal, can you specify me some short example please? |
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| 11:06.50 | amorphix | hi, can someone try this url for me? www.wellgroups.com |
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| 11:07.20 | ma3x | I want to give this partition the defaults, like on a normal partition, only excluding automount |
| 11:07.22 | ma3x | how do i do that? |
| 11:07.53 | petemc | amorphix: google for looking glass to find websites that can do pings etc for you |
| 11:08.14 | amorphix | would be a lot quicker if someone just hit the url and told me if it resolves |
| 11:08.42 | amorphix | nothing resolving here for this host |
| 11:08.43 | petemc | teach a man to fish.. |
| 11:09.09 | ma3x | amorphix, 210.66.113.68 |
| 11:09.14 | amorphix | ya? |
| 11:09.23 | amorphix | any response? |
| 11:09.29 | ma3x | well i didnt ping it |
| 11:09.31 | ma3x | just resolved it |
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| 11:09.38 | ma3x | thats from wellgroups.com |
| 11:09.40 | amorphix | can you try to ping it? |
| 11:09.44 | ma3x | and www.wellgroups.com = 61.220.123.251 |
| 11:09.48 | ma3x | which one? |
| 11:09.51 | amorphix | either |
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| 11:10.21 | amorphix | i hate taiwanese manufacturers sites |
| 11:10.23 | ma3x | no reply |
| 11:10.26 | amorphix | but its the way of the world |
| 11:10.37 | amorphix | ok thanks ma3x |
| 11:10.50 | ma3x | np |
| 11:10.56 | amorphix | im stuck then, no drivers for me |
| 11:11.31 | valdyn | amorphix: 'ping www.slashdot.org' |
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| 11:11.38 | amorphix | until such time as these slanty eyed guys get their server back up |
| 11:11.46 | petemc | nice |
| 11:11.50 | valdyn | amorphix: -> ping not working means shit |
| 11:12.14 | amorphix | well i cant http or ftp any of their services |
| 11:12.18 | amorphix | all seems to be down |
| 11:12.37 | botsy | i have modify /etc/libnss-ldap.conf do you know what i need to restart apply modification ? |
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| 11:14.11 | tarzeau | whoa that feels retro. SunOS 5.11 on pc hardware |
| 11:14.15 | tarzeau | my eyes pci@0,0/pci-ide@9/ide@1/sd@0,0:q |
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| 11:15.13 | amorphix | you can pick up Sun systems very cheap these days on ebay |
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| 11:15.27 | tarzeau | i've got some of them. |
| 11:15.31 | ma3x | what do you need sun for? |
| 11:15.38 | amorphix | i wanted to buy one but I dunno |
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| 11:15.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: OPENSTEP runs well on the non-ultras |
| 11:15.48 | amorphix | tarzeau why do you like Sun? |
| 11:15.54 | tarzeau | amorphix: did i say i do? |
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| 11:16.07 | amorphix | if you own several you must |
| 11:16.10 | ma3x | i dont know what the hell openstep or nonultra is |
| 11:16.19 | ma3x | but im pleased with debian |
| 11:16.22 | ma3x | dont need anything else |
| 11:16.33 | amorphix | UltraSparc |
| 11:16.37 | umbop | nonultra sounds like a lady shaver |
| 11:16.48 | ma3x | muahaha |
| 11:16.48 | amorphix | model II and III |
| 11:16.49 | tarzeau | amorphix: i also own a hppa, u2 and mips, ppc and alpha |
| 11:16.57 | tarzeau | doesn't mean i like them all |
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| 11:17.14 | tarzeau | umbop: you'd wonder how well lady shavers work for men too |
| 11:17.20 | amorphix | the UltraSparc II and III arent up to the power of P3 I heard |
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| 11:17.47 | ma3x | tarzeau, now go buy a liebherr |
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| 11:17.51 | amorphix | tarzeau you collect antiquated hardwares? |
| 11:17.57 | umbop | or i may not wonder, i shave my legs with my nonultra on a regular basis, i have the silkiest male legs this side of the pacific |
| 11:18.02 | ma3x | tarzeau, for the face? |
| 11:18.04 | tarzeau | amorphix: not all, but some, yes. well i used to |
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| 11:18.15 | amorphix | I collect antiquated pda's |
| 11:18.19 | tarzeau | amorphix: i actually use them even |
| 11:18.20 | LostAngel | tarzeu is very popular tonight |
| 11:18.26 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:18.29 | tarzeau | LostAngel: huh? |
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| 11:18.54 | amorphix | tarzeau do you have any apple or mac? |
| 11:18.56 | LostAngel | multiple conversations at ya, i can't even keep up ;P |
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| 11:19.29 | ma3x | guys your conversation sux |
| 11:19.30 | deadcat | i get seg fault apt-get update, what up? sometimes apt-get install, sometimes ssh |
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| 11:19.42 | amorphix | ma3x why |
| 11:19.54 | umbop | deadcat, rootkit / virus? |
| 11:20.08 | deadcat | umbop: its a laptop. could it be bad hd? |
| 11:20.13 | ma3x | amorphix, just stick to debian, and leave alone mac and all that crap |
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| 11:20.18 | umbop | could be a few things |
| 11:20.22 | doubleukay | resizing partition in fdisk - delete and recreate partition? |
| 11:20.27 | umbop | i'd check for a rootkit though, especially RST.B |
| 11:20.30 | amorphix | I'm running Debian |
| 11:20.31 | deadcat | umbop: sometimes after reboot its fine. |
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| 11:21.01 | valdyn | deadcat: overheating |
| 11:21.03 | deadcat | amorphix: when you say mac. that dont mean shit. mac can be os x or mac running linux |
| 11:21.12 | deadcat | valdyn: i just woke it up |
| 11:21.26 | tarzeau | deadcat: which both are nice |
| 11:21.32 | deadcat | tarzeau: hee |
| 11:21.36 | amorphix | deadcat: we were speaking in the context of antiquated hardware |
| 11:21.41 | valdyn | deadcat: then the ram is probably just broken |
| 11:21.48 | LostAngel | (OS: Windows 2000 Enterprise Server, Service Pack 4 (5.0 - 2195)) (Uptime: 7w 04:02:39) (CPU: 1-AMD Duron, 855MHz, 64KB (35% Load)) (MEM: Usage: 365/448MB (81.47%)) |
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| 11:21.51 | deadcat | amorphix: dump the antiquated shits. |
| 11:21.54 | amorphix | so it wouldnt mean OSx mac |
| 11:21.55 | tarzeau | deadcat: yeah run memtester all |
| 11:22.04 | LostAngel | 'P |
| 11:22.05 | deadcat | valdyn: hmm. interesting. |
| 11:22.41 | deadcat | tarzeau: ok. will have to reboot to install memtester (= |
| 11:22.50 | amorphix | I'm running XP today |
| 11:22.53 | tarzeau | deadcat: yep |
| 11:23.04 | amorphix | it runs faster and better than X11 with KDE |
| 11:23.28 | deadcat | amorphix: linux aint kde. and it certainly aint redhat |
| 11:23.37 | amorphix | who said it was |
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| 11:24.23 | oKtosiTe | amorphix: duh, it's kde. and duh, XP was designed for spped, and not for securtiy or stability obviously. |
| 11:24.44 | oKtosiTe | and obviously I'm trying to type too fast |
| 11:25.07 | chorse | oKtosiTe, perhaps you were designed for speed, too. |
| 11:25.12 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:25.50 | amorphix | XP seems pretty stable to me |
| 11:25.55 | petemc | who cares |
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| 11:27.09 | lagwagon | who speak portuguese? |
| 11:27.15 | tarzeau | !pt |
| 11:27.15 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 11:27.34 | k1ckn1ck | hi could someone help me i want to set exim up but currently do not have a clue |
| 11:27.52 | valdyn | k1ckn1ck: on which debian release? |
| 11:27.58 | lagwagon | thanks |
| 11:28.00 | k1ckn1ck | sarge |
| 11:28.10 | k1ckn1ck | 3.1 |
| 11:28.13 | valdyn | k1ckn1ck: ok, why not exim4? or is that what you mean? |
| 11:28.17 | petemc | k1ckn1ck: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/ is a good place to start |
| 11:28.22 | k1ckn1ck | yeah sorry i mean exim4 |
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| 11:28.34 | valdyn | k1ckn1ck: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 11:29.14 | valdyn | k1ckn1ck: petemc's hint goes for stuff beyond that i guess |
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| 11:31.06 | ircdevil | how to get the basename of a file in bash? -r only removes suffix? |
| 11:31.58 | valdyn | ircdevil: like for example... ? |
| 11:32.05 | ircdevil | for i in *.foo; do whatever $i > basename( $i ); done; |
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| 11:32.42 | ircdevil | oh - and i would like the basename concatenated with .png |
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| 11:33.28 | selfcontr0l | i have my .mp3s, etc set to open with mplayer: how can i get it to all open in the same instance. (i.e. not open a new mplayer window) |
| 11:33.44 | valdyn | ircdevil: still have no idea what you're talking about really, what do you think of as basename? |
| 11:34.06 | ircdevil | valdyn: all chars before the frist . |
| 11:34.10 | petemc | selfcontr0l: find . -name .mp3 > list.m3u ; mplayer -playlist list.m3u |
| 11:34.21 | doubleukay | command > `basename $i .foo`.png |
| 11:34.41 | selfcontr0l | petemc: that will work when i want to make a playlist...but how about clicking on individual songs (and the player is already open) |
| 11:35.31 | selfcontr0l | petemc: i'm will probably end up doing the playlist thing, but i'm still learning and want to know if i ever needed it again :) |
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| 11:36.55 | ircdevil | doubleukay: hrmph -> for i in *.svg.gz; do inkscape --export-png=`basename $i .svg.gz`.png --export-dpi=300; done; "nothing to do" |
| 11:36.58 | Dazgar1 | hi |
| 11:37.09 | ircdevil | oh |
| 11:37.19 | Dazgar1 | does someone knows how to enable Native POSIX Thread into my kernel please ? |
| 11:37.33 | valdyn | ircdevil: echo name.whatever | sed -e 's/\..*// |
| 11:37.35 | ircdevil | ok - seem to be working. fun to see what filenames i have invented |
| 11:37.39 | valdyn | ircdevil: echo name.whatever | sed -e 's/\..*//' |
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| 11:38.44 | David|Lappy | Hi guys how do I run dhcpcd as 'dhcpcd -R' at boot> |
| 11:38.53 | David|Lappy | So it doesnt overwrite my resolv.conf? |
| 11:39.10 | findme | Dave123, chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf ; google for it too |
| 11:39.34 | jm_ | Dazgar1: 2.6 has NTPL support |
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| 11:39.45 | jm_ | NPTL even |
| 11:40.17 | Dazgar1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.28 | ircdevil | yup - it works |
| 11:40.31 | findme | David|Lappy, try both chattr +i ; http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/05/msg00393.html |
| 11:40.56 | David|Lappy | ah |
| 11:40.59 | David|Lappy | my DNS is screwed atm |
| 11:41.05 | David|Lappy | anyone got the IP of a DNS server? |
| 11:41.19 | findme | which provider? depends on that |
| 11:41.27 | doubleukay | 4.2.2.4 |
| 11:41.40 | Dazgar1 | free.fr 212.27.32.176 |
| 11:41.44 | jm_ | Dazgar1: default, try getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION |
| 11:41.46 | Dazgar1 | for the ip |
| 11:41.59 | Dazgar1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.59 | David|Lappy | I'm on Zen Internet |
| 11:42.01 | David|Lappy | in the UK |
| 11:42.14 | findme | http://my.qwest.net/nav4/help/your_acct/dns_service.html#1g # This is qwest in US |
| 11:42.46 | David|Lappy | hmm |
| 11:42.57 | David|Lappy | see the problem is if I have namesevrer 192.168.1.1 in it |
| 11:43.02 | David|Lappy | in resolv.conf |
| 11:43.05 | David|Lappy | it works at the command line |
| 11:43.07 | David|Lappy | I can ping places |
| 11:43.13 | David|Lappy | but firefox says connecting |
| 11:43.14 | David|Lappy | and timesout |
| 11:43.17 | David|Lappy | :-\ |
| 11:43.53 | findme | what you want is nameserver IP call the provider or if you have a windows box you can figure out the nameservers it is using. |
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| 11:44.20 | ircdevil | !tell David|Lappy about enter |
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| 11:46.57 | k1ckn1ck | how can i test that exim4 is working correctly |
| 11:47.40 | S4nD3r | Where I need to setup to use my ABNT2 keyboard in my X ??? |
| 11:47.46 | antgel | k1ckn1ck: depends |
| 11:48.35 | k1ckn1ck | on what |
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| 11:49.43 | doubleukay | depends on what you want to test |
| 11:49.58 | doubleukay | is this your initial setup of exim? |
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| 11:50.58 | k1ckn1ck | yes |
| 11:50.59 | shay | hi |
| 11:51.44 | doubleukay | you can mail yourself and see if you receive it |
| 11:51.48 | doubleukay | *to test local delivery |
| 11:52.36 | Dazgar1 | ciao |
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| 11:52.39 | m4thm4n | k1ckn1ck "telnet localhost smtp" will show if your server responds locally |
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| 11:52.49 | vega- | k1ckn1ck: get some dummy hotmail account and test with that? |
| 11:53.10 | amorphix | hi |
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| 11:54.47 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 11:55.06 | jeffrin | is there any tool to create CD cover using Linux |
| 11:55.36 | jeffrin | someone please help |
| 11:55.38 | oKtosiTe | chorse: I'm quite stable, thank you. |
| 11:55.45 | m4thm4n | jeffrin TeX ;-) |
| 11:56.03 | m4thm4n | of kover, iirc |
| 11:56.13 | chorse | oKtosiTe, eheh :) |
| 11:56.25 | Gnea | jeffrin: glabels |
| 11:56.31 | valdyn | k1ckn1ck: echo 'text' | mail -s <subject> foo@bar.com |
| 11:56.45 | jeffrin | which is the most powerful one |
| 11:56.53 | Gnea | your mom |
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| 11:57.19 | findme | JeffGreen, http://www.cstolz.de/programs/linux/kccc/index_en.html |
| 11:57.22 | k1ckn1ck | ok it must not be working :) |
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| 11:57.54 | m4thm4n | k1ckn1ck Did you try "telnet localhost smtp"? Did it connect? |
| 11:57.57 | Rogey | guess not |
| 11:57.58 | jeffrin | m4thm4n : is it possible with TeX |
| 11:58.03 | Rogey | Yeah, it's connected |
| 11:58.05 | k1ckn1ck | it did connect |
| 11:58.10 | Rogey | But...not green |
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| 11:58.27 | m4thm4n | jeffrin *everything* is possible with TeX. But not necessarily the easy way :) |
| 11:58.41 | valdyn | k1ckn1ck: what exactly is not working, what exactly are you expecting your mailserver to do. |
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| 11:58.55 | valdyn | k1ckn1ck: and .. what exactly is your internet connection |
| 11:59.09 | k1ckn1ck | broadband 2mb |
| 11:59.20 | Rogey | Cox, so yeah |
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| 11:59.43 | valdyn | k1ckn1ck: that part doesnt matter, just if its dynamic or static IP |
| 11:59.53 | k1ckn1ck | dynamic at the moment |
| 12:00.01 | k1ckn1ck | oh :( |
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| 12:00.07 | k1ckn1ck | broadband is static |
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| 12:00.24 | k1ckn1ck | sorry still half asleep |
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| 12:01.48 | Rogey | I read on the ISP thing, that Cox limits file sharing |
| 12:01.50 | Rogey | Or |
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| 12:01.54 | Rogey | whatever it said |
| 12:02.00 | amorphix | hi |
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| 12:03.10 | botsy | do you know if it's possible to regenerate ldap.secret ? |
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| 12:04.01 | k1ckn1ck | valdyn i dont think i have it set up correctly |
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| 12:04.27 | m4thm4n | k1ckn1ck First get it to work locally, then worry about the rest. |
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| 12:04.46 | k1ckn1ck | i dont know how :S |
| 12:05.00 | m4thm4n | Did you start the exim server? |
| 12:05.14 | k1ckn1ck | it is running |
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| 12:05.25 | m4thm4n | Can you connect to it on localhost? |
| 12:05.57 | botsy | do you know if it's possible to make wget on a .wax files (video files) |
| 12:05.58 | botsy | ? |
| 12:06.17 | botsy | for download the .avi or .mpg whose are linking ... |
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| 12:13.16 | k1ckn1ck | getting error This message has been blocked because the HELO/EHLO domain is invalid |
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| 12:14.21 | tarzeau | isn't "GNOME under Debian" bad or wrong english? i'd write GNOME on Debian |
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| 12:15.06 | PhilKC | gnome can't be under debian... |
| 12:15.29 | PhilKC | it implies that gnome supports debian |
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| 12:16.55 | thelongmile | would anyone be kind enough to reccomend a mirror that is likley to have nividia-kernel-sources on it? as blueyonder doesent have it, also how would i edit the mirror file |
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| 12:17.09 | jm_ | yes it does |
| 12:17.09 | Vibes | Hi! Could someone tell me if there's a way to give a USB or IEEE1394 disks a fixed /dev/sdx entry file... The problem is that when I unplug USB disks, /dev/sdx for still plugged disks change... |
| 12:17.24 | jm_ | !tell thelongmile about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:17.37 | jm_ | Vibes: you can via udev |
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| 12:18.08 | Vibes | jm_, ok, thanks, i go and read about udev so :) |
| 12:18.31 | jm_ | I suppose one can also achieve it using hotplug and some clever scripts |
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| 12:18.40 | thelongmile | jm_, thanks, but installation of the kernel-source failed |
| 12:18.44 | botsy | do you know if it's posible to download files who are hiden between a .wax files ( video files in stream) |
| 12:18.45 | ma3x | you know any good GUI dvd ripper? |
| 12:18.45 | thelongmile | any ideas why? im fairly new to linux |
| 12:18.46 | botsy | ?? |
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| 12:20.00 | thelongmile | jm_, would you know why nvidia-kernel-sources install failed? this is a fresh install of debian |
| 12:20.12 | ma3x | Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 30, in ? import apt_pkg ImportError: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:20.12 | ma3x | whats that error for? |
| 12:20.12 | thelongmile | nm E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:20.19 | thelongmile | :| |
| 12:20.23 | jm_ | thelongmile: read what dpkg told you |
| 12:20.31 | thelongmile | yes i read the whole thing |
| 12:20.33 | thelongmile | same problem |
| 12:20.37 | jm_ | no you didn't |
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| 12:20.58 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 12:21.20 | thelongmile | jm_, im new, i am, a n00b, i do not understand, i think ive done what it told me |
| 12:21.36 | jm_ | thelongmile: including adding contrib and non-free to sources.list? |
| 12:22.14 | thelongmile | that doesent make any sense to me sorry |
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| 12:24.28 | orjan | Does the stable rsync support posix acl? |
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| 12:24.42 | valdyn | thelongmile: nano /etc/apt/sources.list. Add 'contrib non-free' to that line ending with 'main' |
| 12:24.56 | thelongmile | thanks |
| 12:24.56 | tonix | hy guys, someone experienced hostap with dwl 520 wireless pci cards? |
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| 12:26.17 | quitte | how can i grow a file created with dd? |
| 12:26.45 | tarzeau | quitte: >> ? |
| 12:27.13 | jm_ | quitte: seek |
| 12:27.36 | thelongmile | valdyn, thanks for the help, um, list of sources cannot be read is now my error |
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| 12:28.06 | valdyn | thelongmile: so you didnt do exactly what i said |
| 12:28.15 | valdyn | thelongmile: past that whole file somewhere |
| 12:28.56 | quitte | jm_: for seek i use the same value as for count previously? |
| 12:29.23 | jm_ | quitte: yes, just like the man page says |
| 12:29.48 | aeronadix | what the command to mount ext2 rw for all users: mount users,rw,umask=000 /dev/hdc /mountpoint |
| 12:29.59 | thelongmile | valdyn, er, please dont be aggressive, i have to lean sometime, ive now corrected it, it takes me one or two goes to get used to things, ive run and again it says source not found |
| 12:30.04 | jm_ | ext2 fs doesn't support umask option |
| 12:30.05 | quitte | jm_: hehe. ok. i asked as mainly because i was scared to loose the filesystem in that file |
| 12:30.12 | jm_ | quitte: make a backup! |
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| 12:30.46 | valdyn | thelongmile: paste the file somewhere.. else i cant fix it |
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| 12:30.49 | quitte | jm_: no space for it. and all i'd loose is about 5 hours of compile time |
| 12:30.56 | ma3x | how can I make .img from a folder? |
| 12:31.17 | thelongmile | valdyn, ill post it on pastebin |
| 12:31.21 | valdyn | aeronadix: why dont you use chmod for that? |
| 12:31.25 | valdyn | thelongmile: alright |
| 12:31.34 | ma3x | hey |
| 12:31.39 | ma3x | how do i make .img file from a folder? |
| 12:31.53 | jm_ | Unix like systems don't know folders, so you can't |
| 12:32.02 | thelongmile | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/453908 |
| 12:32.05 | valdyn | ma3x: that is nonsense, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 12:32.14 | aeronadix | valdyn, ok, but can you tell me the mount way too? |
| 12:32.25 | ma3x | valdyn, .img from a DVD disk |
| 12:32.39 | ma3x | so then I can mount it on my hard disk |
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| 12:33.35 | loxley_ | ma3x: for backup reasons or? |
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| 12:34.13 | ma3x | loxley_, yeah, I wanna see it from my hard disk |
| 12:34.16 | aeronadix | what wrong with this line mount -t ext2 user,rw,umask=000 /dev/hda3 /mnt/suse |
| 12:34.21 | ma3x | because when I play the disk it wont play under debian |
| 12:34.28 | ma3x | so I want to backup and play it |
| 12:34.30 | valdyn | thelongmile: this file is fine, try running 'apt-get update'. does that produce an error? |
| 12:34.33 | loxley_ | ma3x: dude, if you just want to watch it just play it |
| 12:34.42 | thelongmile | valdyn, ill let you know in a second |
| 12:34.45 | ma3x | thats what I'm telling you, its not playable! |
| 12:34.57 | thelongmile | valdyn, no, no error |
| 12:34.58 | loxley_ | ma3x: i am sure it is.. |
| 12:35.10 | valdyn | ma3x: mkisofs -dvd-video -o file.img /path/to/img |
| 12:35.32 | thelongmile | valdyn, just trying to run the command again now ive done the update, seems to be doing more, ill let you know in a second |
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| 12:36.26 | jm_ | that won't work if it's encrypted movie, use vobcopy or whatever else to decrypt it |
| 12:36.40 | thelongmile | valdyn, ah thats fantastic, thanks for your help! now all i need to know is do i need to do anything else after the dpkg instructions jm_ sent me |
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| 12:37.00 | jm_ | thelongmile: no, just follow them precisely |
| 12:37.09 | thelongmile | thank you |
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| 12:37.32 | ma3x | valdyn, thanks, I'll try to see later if the movie is playing |
| 12:37.43 | valdyn | ma3x: dont burn it yet |
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| 12:37.54 | valdyn | ma3x: mplayer -dvd-device file.img dvd:// |
| 12:37.59 | ma3x | valdyn, I'm not burning it |
| 12:38.09 | ma3x | valdyn, I can't do that right now, I'm ripping it |
| 12:38.53 | valdyn | ma3x: mm, using cat to rip would permit you to skip a few things ) |
| 12:39.25 | ma3x | cat? |
| 12:39.28 | ma3x | what's that, package? |
| 12:39.36 | ma3x | i use dvdbackup |
| 12:39.39 | valdyn | ma3x: cat /dev/dvd > file.img |
| 12:39.57 | ma3x | that will work??? |
| 12:40.07 | ma3x | you kidding me? |
| 12:40.08 | Phated | ma3x: Try dvdrip. |
| 12:40.15 | valdyn | ma3x: no, that works |
| 12:40.34 | ma3x | Phated, I don't see that package available |
| 12:40.52 | ma3x | valdyn, but shouldn't I first decrypt it? |
| 12:41.04 | Phated | ma3x: I do. |
| 12:41.18 | valdyn | ma3x: maybe, i dont do decryption |
| 12:41.26 | Phated | !info dvdrip |
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| 12:41.39 | Phated | hmm, I think it's a marillat thing. |
| 12:41.51 | valdyn | ma3x: dvdrip is for makeing avi's and such from dvds |
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| 12:42.21 | ma3x | hm, I don't like avi's |
| 12:42.37 | Phated | Then don't make AVI's. Rip the thing, but don't transcode it. |
| 12:42.41 | ma3x | I like watching my movie in DVD quality |
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| 12:42.53 | PitchForkLinux | morning all. is there a debian gui interface for configuring DNS? |
| 12:43.15 | valdyn | PitchForkLinux: vi ! |
| 12:43.21 | quitte | webmin-bind |
| 12:43.22 | Phated | ma3x: So rip it and watch the .vob with VLC or something. |
| 12:43.24 | findme | PitchForkLinux, vi /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:43.30 | Phated | valdyn: gvim, surely. |
| 12:43.36 | valdyn | hah |
| 12:43.46 | ma3x | Phated, where do you get that utility 'dvdrip'? it's not available in packages |
| 12:44.23 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 12:44.25 | PitchForkLinux | vi is prehistoric..... I love to gooey windows base new century type of interfaces... lol |
| 12:44.38 | loxley_ | ma3x: get it from http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 12:44.44 | Ronin | well theres always nano if vi is too much for you |
| 12:44.48 | Roey | Phated: heya, just wanted to say hi, long time no see |
| 12:44.54 | Phated | Prolly marillat, thenm. |
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| 12:45.04 | ma3x | hey valdyn, I was wondering: can I make an .img of my /lib for eg. ? |
| 12:45.09 | ma3x | valdyn, for backup purposes |
| 12:45.11 | Phated | Roey: Don't recall you, but hi anyway. |
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| 12:45.54 | valdyn | ma3x: you want to backup to dvd? |
| 12:46.22 | orjan | Does the stable rsync support posix acl? |
| 12:46.22 | valdyn | !mondo |
| 12:46.22 | dpkg | mondo is, like, a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
| 12:46.36 | ma3x | sorry for the delay |
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| 12:46.51 | russian_bandit | fuck |
| 12:46.53 | ma3x | valdyn, I want to make .img of my /usr /home /lib ... etc |
| 12:46.57 | Ronin | no thanks russian_bandit |
| 12:47.07 | ma3x | valdyn, then maybe I'll put it on a dvd or another HD |
| 12:47.15 | russian_bandit | ronin achtung!!! |
| 12:47.36 | valdyn | ma3x: mondo does that and makes it even bootable so you can restore your whole system from dvd |
| 12:48.12 | ma3x | valdyn, thanks i'll try it out |
| 12:48.15 | russian_bandit | valdyn ПИДОРАС!!! |
| 12:48.21 | ma3x | loxley_, that dvdrip is not installable! |
| 12:48.35 | ma3x | someone kick this russian idiot. |
| 12:48.38 | Phated | As I said, it's probably from marillat then. |
| 12:48.51 | russian_bandit | ma3x: ХУЕСОС!!!! |
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| 12:48.58 | Phated | It's maintained by marillat, anyway, so yeah. |
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| 12:49.18 | russian_bandit | ma3x: иди ка ты на хуй!!! |
| 12:49.32 | ma3x | Phated, I added marillat to my sources, but it has some dep. packages that are not installable |
| 12:49.36 | Alex_BO | HELLO!I'm looking for a program in linux like the windows' Album Wrap.can anybody help me? |
| 12:49.38 | ma3x | russian_bandit, shutup! |
| 12:49.41 | russian_bandit | ma3x: fuck you sucker man |
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| 12:49.47 | Phated | ma3x: Oh well. Use cat or dd then. |
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| 12:50.03 | idis_ | orjan: man for my 2.6.6 rsync says it would be supported in future versions... maybe not uptodate but try a option then |
| 12:50.04 | Ronin | another day another lame child trolling #debian i see |
| 12:50.06 | MrCoffee2 | Did I just get kicked into this room.... |
| 12:50.15 | valdyn | !ops russian_bandit spamming |
| 12:50.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: russian_bandit spamming |
| 12:50.27 | loxley_ | ma3x: ? you just add the mirrors to sources.list.. then install it |
| 12:50.36 | orjan | idis_: ok, thanks |
| 12:50.37 | russian_bandit | valdyn: i am not spamer |
| 12:51.15 | Ronin | russian_bandit: perhaps not but you are being a lame troll here |
| 12:51.36 | russian_bandit | Ronin: fuck out!!! |
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| 12:51.49 | Ronin | thank you for proving my point |
| 12:51.51 | idis_ | *plonk* |
| 12:51.52 | ma3x | loxley_, I added deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ experimental main |
| 12:52.02 | Ronin | ahh thats better |
| 12:52.07 | Phated | Experimental? WHY? |
| 12:52.08 | ma3x | loxley_, but still it has some dependency packages that don't exist |
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| 12:52.14 | russian_bandit | ma3x: wath did you say about me fuckin nigger? |
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| 12:52.30 | Phated | ma3x: Use whatever matches YOUR branch. |
| 12:52.45 | ma3x | anyway |
| 12:52.56 | ma3x | why everytime I install something I get this error from apt-get |
| 12:53.01 | ma3x | ImportError: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:53.08 | ma3x | what the hell is that? |
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| 12:54.19 | idis_ | ma3x: played with apt package? |
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| 12:54.43 | ma3x | idis_, no |
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| 12:55.19 | idis_ | ma3x: your apt-get complains about not finding libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10, which is installed by apt |
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| 12:55.56 | yang | IS there any other package for debian for donating idle cpu, than seti? |
| 12:56.09 | Fujoor | this may seem a lil bit silly but, if one installs debian, does it include any drivers? network drivers? is apt-get included? |
| 12:56.58 | valdyn | Fujoor: yes |
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| 12:57.25 | Fujoor | thank you, where is the best place to download debian? |
| 12:57.36 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 12:57.36 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:57.55 | Fujoor | thank you very much |
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| 12:58.34 | Vibes | Is an apt-get dist-upgrade from woody to sarge safe and acceptable for a production server plz? (no compiled programs, only official deb packages installed) |
| 12:59.06 | jm_ | Sarge is stable, so yeah you should be OK |
| 12:59.23 | valdyn | !woody-sarge |
| 12:59.35 | valdyn | Vibes: not if you use apt-get |
| 12:59.36 | Fujoor | there is a lot of isos, should i choose the business card? |
| 12:59.39 | valdyn | !woody->sarge |
| 12:59.49 | Vibes | valdyn, why? |
| 12:59.49 | Ronin | Fujoor: are you on a high speed connection? |
| 12:59.51 | valdyn | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 12:59.51 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 12:59.59 | Fujoor | ronin: not high, but still ok |
| 13:00.18 | chino2 | whats up with this exim mta do you guys like it ? |
| 13:00.31 | Fujoor | ronin: i want it as small as possible, first i downloaded dsl, but it didnt contain apt-get and i have no clue how to include it |
| 13:00.31 | saloxin | Fujoor: what network card do you need supported? |
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| 13:00.42 | Vibes | valdyn, thanks for this helpfull notice... |
| 13:00.43 | Ronin | Fujoor: because if you are i was going to say teh netinstall then use apt-get to install what else you want |
| 13:00.56 | Fujoor | saloxin: a normal one, realtek, no fancy wlan stuff or anything |
| 13:01.07 | Fujoor | ronin: ah, yeah, thats what im looking for, netinstall it is then, thank you :) |
| 13:01.18 | saloxin | Fujoor: realtek's are usually autodetected and fine |
| 13:01.30 | valdyn | Vibes: apt-get not being able to do this has something to do with lacking in its dependency resolution algorithm. |
| 13:01.32 | Fujoor | its my first linux attempt, i need to fdisk up some space first right? |
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| 13:02.04 | valdyn | Fujoor: you can do this from within the installer, unless you need to resize partitions |
| 13:02.09 | Fujoor | ah |
| 13:02.10 | Fujoor | lovely |
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| 13:02.15 | Vibes | valdyn, ok. but is there a risk by aptitude dist-upgrade to obtain an instable system? |
| 13:02.19 | Fujoor | no, im planning to do the first install on virtual pc |
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| 13:03.04 | ma3x | valdyn, do you have any idea about this error? |
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| 13:03.10 | valdyn | Vibes: yea, there always is |
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| 13:03.41 | ma3x | libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10 |
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| 13:04.09 | Fujoor | oh and guys, another question, say that you want to log on on the x with putty from another computer, does it require something else? |
| 13:04.20 | Fujoor | or is that possible from the start? |
| 13:04.31 | ma3x | sda1: rw=1, want=26494072480, limit=249891012 |
| 13:04.34 | ma3x | Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 3311759059 |
| 13:04.34 | ma3x | lost page write due to I/O error on sda1 |
| 13:04.43 | valdyn | Fujoor: you need to install X first for that |
| 13:04.43 | ma3x | I am receiving thousands of those errors in my dmesg |
| 13:04.43 | ma3x | what's wrong with it? |
| 13:04.49 | threat | hi |
| 13:04.49 | ma3x | I've scanned my hdd, and it's all ok |
| 13:04.51 | Vibes | valdyn, waht about consider backing up config files and installing fresh sarge on system partitions instead of aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 13:04.51 | valdyn | Fujoor: and permit X11Forwarding on the server |
| 13:04.52 | ma3x | why those errors show up? |
| 13:04.53 | threat | how arew we all ? |
| 13:05.02 | threat | so who likkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkes to LDAP ? |
| 13:05.07 | threat | grrrr VNC laaaagggg |
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| 13:05.25 | threat | hoi |
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| 13:05.39 | Fujoor | valdyn: thank you, i need to read up on this |
| 13:05.47 | Fujoor | valdyn: i thought x was included in the debian install |
| 13:05.51 | valdyn | Vibes: i dont know your situation, if you can afford the downtime to do a complete reinstall then you can probably afford 'fixing' whatever upgrading might have broken.. |
| 13:06.19 | valdyn | Fujoor: it is included _in debian_ but debian does not install more than 'essential' by default |
| 13:06.22 | Vibes | Fujoor, Do you want to open X sessions on remote server or juste use X programs from it? |
| 13:06.43 | Fujoor | vibes: both i guess |
| 13:06.54 | valdyn | Fujoor: however, the installer will give you a 'task selector' where you can pick huge chunks of software to be installed |
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| 13:07.09 | Fujoor | valdyn: ah, sounds good, the task selector is included in the netinstall? |
| 13:07.16 | valdyn | Fujoor: yea |
| 13:07.21 | Vibes | Fujoor, I suggest you reading about xdmcp using free X client like cygwin on Windows for example |
| 13:07.21 | Fujoor | goodie |
| 13:07.25 | Fujoor | u linux people are so friendly :) |
| 13:08.01 | Fujoor | aight guys, thank you very much ill go read into it more |
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| 13:10.31 | Shadowpillar | who here has a floppy tape drive? |
| 13:11.17 | valdyn | Shadowpillar: yea, its rotting in the basement |
| 13:12.17 | Shadowpillar | was wondering if anyone knew of any good tools to manipulate them |
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| 13:12.49 | stew | a hammer? :) |
| 13:13.01 | valdyn | Shadowpillar: tar? cpio? |
| 13:13.04 | orlowsks | Does debian(sarge) support sata2? |
| 13:13.16 | botsy | i have a big problem with ldap when i want to delete a user account it's say "Failed to delete user from LDAP database : modifications require authentication" but i logon with root account ... |
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| 13:13.29 | valdyn | orlowsks: it controls 'not to new' sata controllers |
| 13:13.50 | valdyn | orlowsks: for newer stuff try /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.12 or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 13:14.05 | valdyn | s/controls/supports/ |
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| 13:15.15 | orlowsks | Thinking of getting a new computer with sata2 |
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| 13:16.21 | valdyn | orlowsks: sata2 is what your disk 'talks' to your controller, it has nothing to do with how debian talks to your disk controller. |
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| 13:16.54 | orlowsks | Thanks for the info valdyn |
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| 13:17.14 | antgel | botsy: you're binding with the wrong credentials. rtm |
| 13:17.31 | orlowsks | So debian sees sata2 as a scsi |
| 13:17.42 | botsy | antgel, where is it this please ? |
| 13:17.53 | botsy | i search on google but i don't find ... |
| 13:18.03 | valdyn | orlowsks: not exactly, kernel 2.6.x sees most 'sata' controllers as scsi |
| 13:18.09 | orlowsks | excuse me should of formed that as a question |
| 13:18.34 | antgel | botsy: forget google. read the slapd manual. read the ldap rfcs |
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| 13:18.56 | stew | botsy: check /usr/share/doc/slapd |
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| 13:19.45 | botsy | thank all |
| 13:19.46 | valdyn | orlowsks: hmm, i should say "on 2.6.x you will see disks on most sata controllers as scsi disks |
| 13:20.42 | valdyn | !sata faq |
| 13:20.43 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
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| 13:21.13 | orlowsks | So during the intial install when I use the 2.4 kernel everything should be fine correct? |
| 13:21.14 | ma3x | how can I maximum test my writing speed of my hard disk? |
| 13:21.29 | ma3x | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/media/usb0/test |
| 13:21.31 | ma3x | that is too slow |
| 13:21.36 | ma3x | only 1.2MB/s |
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| 13:21.40 | stew | ma3x: bonnie++ |
| 13:21.45 | valdyn | ma3x: usb is slow |
| 13:21.51 | ma3x | hi stew :) |
| 13:22.00 | ma3x | naaah, but I typed that to my local hd so it was the same speed |
| 13:22.01 | ma3x | :) |
| 13:22.18 | valdyn | ma3x: use /dev/zero as source |
| 13:22.26 | ma3x | aaah, right ! :p |
| 13:22.36 | ma3x | anyway my external hard drive works well |
| 13:22.44 | ma3x | but in dmesg I get all the time errors , as such as |
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| 13:22.50 | ma3x | Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 3383898543 |
| 13:22.52 | ma3x | lost page write due to I/O error on sda1 |
| 13:22.54 | ma3x | should this worry me or not? |
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| 13:23.26 | SlayerXP | ma3x: if you have a tested backup system no, otherwise yes. |
| 13:23.44 | ma3x | uhm, didn't understand that |
| 13:23.49 | ma3x | that's my external USB drive |
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| 13:23.55 | ma3x | I store my backup files there |
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| 13:24.16 | orlowsks | Thanks for the info valdyn, Much appreciated! |
| 13:24.29 | chino2 | what is qpoppper ? |
| 13:24.43 | orlowsks | pop3 server |
| 13:24.50 | ma3x | stew, a question for you |
| 13:24.50 | chino2 | does it support ssl ? |
| 13:24.54 | RelAjO | how can i make a complete system backup and copy it to another disk so i dont have to reinstall again |
| 13:24.57 | chino2 | and tls ? |
| 13:25.15 | chino2 | RelAjO: you can use dd if the partitions are exsactly the same |
| 13:25.20 | chino2 | or you can zip up the system and move it over |
| 13:25.31 | loxley_ | RelAjO: or cp -ax / /newdisk |
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| 13:26.03 | stew | ma3x: go ahead |
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| 13:26.11 | RelAj0 | dd if=source of=target ???? |
| 13:26.16 | valdyn | RelAjO: reinstall will cost less time if you really had no idea how to do it |
| 13:26.19 | ma3x | stew, I get this error when I install something with apt-get. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 30, in ? import apt_pkg ImportError: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ImportError: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 13:26.50 | RelAj0 | valdyn, i just want a backup cuz my hd is giving me some errors |
| 13:27.04 | valdyn | !mondo |
| 13:27.04 | dpkg | from memory, mondo is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
| 13:27.22 | RelAj0 | thanks let me check that |
| 13:27.27 | chino2 | whats a good web based mail portal |
| 13:27.37 | stew | ma3x: does /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10 exist? |
| 13:27.51 | ma3x | stew ls: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10: No such file or directory |
| 13:27.54 | Ronin | chino2: take your pick theres what dozens of them |
| 13:27.57 | David|Lappy | chino2, Squirrelmail? |
| 13:27.58 | stew | chino2: squirrelmail |
| 13:28.05 | petemc | chino2: horde, or any of its variants, or roundcube looks interesting, but is very new, so probably not that stable |
| 13:28.07 | chino2 | i was just asking |
| 13:28.08 | stew | !find libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10 |
| 13:28.08 | Ronin | sq, horde |
| 13:28.19 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10' returned no results. |
| 13:28.27 | stew | !find libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10 etch |
| 13:28.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10' (1): (/usr/lib/{libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10|libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10.0}) in admin/apt. |
| 13:29.15 | stew | ma3x: what version of apt do you have installed? what version of apt-listchanges? |
| 13:29.29 | stew | ma3x: looks like in unstable the soname went to 3.11 |
| 13:29.40 | ma3x | stew, ii apt 0.6.43 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 13:29.53 | chino2 | hmm how does squirlmail retrieve messages via imap ? |
| 13:29.58 | ma3x | stew, I don't find apt-listchanges |
| 13:30.15 | ma3x | stew, should I quickly install it? |
| 13:30.15 | petemc | chino2: you know of more than one way to use imap? |
| 13:30.26 | chino2 | what ? |
| 13:30.34 | chino2 | im running a pop3 server though |
| 13:30.34 | antgel | chino2: http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/SquirrelMail |
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| 13:30.49 | stew | ma3x: you have /usr/bin/apt-listchanges but no apt-listchanges pacakge? |
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| 13:31.05 | David|Lappy | Squirellmail can be IMAP or POP3 AFAIK |
| 13:31.09 | ma3x | stew, I don't know why, it got removed somehow |
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| 13:31.11 | David|Lappy | I fetch my mail via IMAP |
| 13:31.18 | stew | ma3x: reinstall apt-listchanges |
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| 13:33.00 | chino2 | yea but imap doesn't delete mail does it? |
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| 13:33.00 | orlowsks | squirrelmail can use pop? |
| 13:33.00 | stew | ma3x: this is the second time in 24 hours where we have found files on your system from a package that your system doesn't think is installed, which makes me wonder what you did |
| 13:33.00 | jvw | chino2: only if you want it to |
| 13:33.01 | jvw | chino2: you cannot use pop for squirrelmail |
| 13:33.01 | David|Lappy | chino2, it can |
| 13:33.01 | David|Lappy | I choose not to |
| 13:33.01 | chino2 | well i dont want the server getting filled with mail |
| 13:33.01 | jvw | as that means that once you do one page requires, your mail is gone :) |
| 13:33.01 | ma3x | stew, I did debfoster earlier, and pressed 'p' to purge all dependencies |
| 13:33.01 | jvw | people need to delete mail in their squirrelmail... that's what webmail is for |
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| 13:33.02 | ma3x | stew, but that was for some stupid package, don't think that apt-listchanges would have been a dependency package |
| 13:33.02 | stew | ma3x: if you had purged these packages, it wouldn't have left the files |
| 13:33.02 | jvw | you should enforce quota if you don't want to have it run out of hand |
| 13:33.11 | orlowsks | Thank you for correcting me, I didn't believe you could use sm with pop |
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| 13:33.35 | chino2 | yes quata is nice but does it stop new mail from coming in or does it remove old mail without asking how does it work ? |
| 13:33.43 | stew | ma3x: kernel-image-2.6.11-* wouldn't have been removed by debfoster either |
| 13:33.55 | jvw | chino2: it'll simply stop new mail from coming in once a user has too much mail stored |
| 13:33.55 | ma3x | stew, exactly! how strange. |
| 13:34.01 | jvw | chino2: it's simply a max disk usage |
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| 13:34.19 | jvw | chino2: it won't delete mail |
| 13:34.27 | chino2 | hey whats that option to apt-cache so i can see the list of packages ? |
| 13:34.30 | stew | ma3x: did you restore dpkg status from a backup ever? |
| 13:34.35 | ma3x | stew, do you know why these errors occur to my dmesg: attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 13:34.39 | David|Lappy | apt-cache search searchstring |
| 13:34.40 | David|Lappy | perhaps? |
| 13:34.41 | ma3x | sda1: rw=0, want=30303885664, limit=249891012 |
| 13:34.46 | ma3x | stew, possibly! |
| 13:34.50 | chino2 | no i mean a whole list of all packages |
| 13:35.01 | David|Lappy | oh |
| 13:35.04 | David|Lappy | not sure |
| 13:35.07 | jvw | chino2: you cannot use webmail to move your mail elsewhere, pop works with deleting because typically you use it to move your mail from the server to your local computer |
| 13:35.07 | stew | ma3x: no, i don't know what that means but it doesn't look good |
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| 13:35.25 | tarzeau | chino2: pkgnames |
| 13:35.28 | chino2 | jvw: yes for such programs as thunderbird |
| 13:35.34 | muerd | hy |
| 13:35.37 | chino2 | thats the way id rather have my users do it |
| 13:35.39 | ma3x | stew, I have googled and people say it could be a kernel bug. But no help so far |
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| 13:35.48 | muerd | anybody with jack sound server |
| 13:35.49 | chino2 | but i will offer a web based mail portal when they are not home |
| 13:35.53 | David|Lappy | apt-cache dump |
| 13:35.53 | ma3x | stew, can I paste my dmesg on pastebin? |
| 13:35.54 | David|Lappy | ? |
| 13:36.05 | stew | ma3x: sure |
| 13:37.06 | ma3x | stew, http://pastebin.com/453965 |
| 13:37.17 | chino2 | debian is pretty cool |
| 13:37.23 | chino2 | i never gave it a shot |
| 13:37.25 | Ronin | chino2: we like to think so |
| 13:37.34 | ma3x | stew, just to inform you, I have enabled buffer cache |
| 13:37.38 | ma3x | could that be a problem? |
| 13:37.47 | chino2 | im more of a slackware guy cause i like to understand my system |
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| 13:38.00 | Ronin | you can/should on debian too |
| 13:38.10 | chino2 | but debian has the tools you need to not need to know the little things |
| 13:38.20 | David|Lappy | I use Gentoo and Debian. |
| 13:38.20 | ma3x | stew, anyway I checked the partition with fsck and it's perfect |
| 13:38.28 | David|Lappy | Gentoo for the main rig and Debian when I want a quick install >.> |
| 13:38.30 | ma3x | no idea why those errors fill up dmesg |
| 13:38.35 | chino2 | i mean yea i can still remember how init.d realy works if i needed too but slackwares methods were so much simplier if you wanted to play by hand |
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| 13:38.55 | the_stick | Hi all |
| 13:39.19 | the_stick | I installed Knoppix onto my HDD and Im loving it, but can someone tell me how I can enable sound for multiple programs? |
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| 13:39.29 | Ronin | the_stick: #knoppix can |
| 13:39.32 | chino2 | im about to write my own ajax mail client lol |
| 13:39.34 | the_stick | because when Im playing an mp3 in xine, I dont hear sound in anything else |
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| 13:39.48 | nkuttler | the_stick: use alsa or a sound daemon |
| 13:39.57 | the_stick | Im using alsa |
| 13:40.07 | chino2 | can squirrelmail use imaps |
| 13:40.07 | Eulex | !knoppix |
| 13:40.07 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 13:40.08 | chino2 | ? |
| 13:40.16 | operador | [[[*** |
| 13:40.19 | the_stick | any settings I must be aware of? |
| 13:40.20 | MASoft | is there anyway to make ESD faster ? it plays sounds after about 0.4 second :( |
| 13:40.21 | the_stick | Oh ... |
| 13:40.24 | Ronin | chino2: check out squirrelmails website :) |
| 13:40.26 | operador | co doido |
| 13:40.29 | chino2 | im looking |
| 13:40.34 | Ronin | ahh |
| 13:40.34 | Eulex | !br |
| 13:40.34 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:40.35 | stew | ma3x: where is sda1 mounted? / ? |
| 13:40.47 | stew | ma3x: that looks like a serious problem to me |
| 13:40.57 | jvw | chino2: you don't want to use imaps, you want to use a local connection webmail -> imap |
| 13:41.00 | ma3x | stew, to /media/usb0 |
| 13:41.03 | jvw | chino2: so then the 's' has no use |
| 13:41.06 | the_stick | dont all distros use the same sound drivers? |
| 13:41.15 | operador | curte angra vi! |
| 13:41.21 | chino2 | jvw: yea id rather have it only run on localhost... |
| 13:41.44 | jvw | use xinetd for that |
| 13:41.48 | chino2 | but how would i do that by configuration imap or by just firewalling the outside port ? |
| 13:42.03 | jvw | or a imap server that you can configure to only listen unsecure on loccalhost |
| 13:42.06 | chino2 | do you configure xinetd from /etc/inetd.conf still ? |
| 13:42.06 | jvw | or indeed, firewall it |
| 13:42.17 | ma3x | stew, here more detailed information: /dev/sda1 on /media/usb0 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 13:42.19 | jvw | sort of, but not totally |
| 13:42.24 | Eulex | the_stick, different versions of alsa, different versions of kernels and all distros have their own patches for the kernels... |
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| 13:42.30 | jvw | it's a bit a pita to get right, but it's more flexible |
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| 13:42.38 | the_stick | oh, ok |
| 13:42.42 | mirko | hi |
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| 13:43.00 | Eulex | the_stick, but read http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin -- you'll find it interesting |
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| 13:43.06 | mirko | i've a serious problem with kernel v2.6.14. |
| 13:43.18 | ma3x | stew, I used to mount it with the defaults, but then specified rw,user,noauto because I don't want it mounted when the system boots up |
| 13:43.29 | operador | ae |
| 13:43.40 | mirko | at boot time, there are a VFS error and unable to mount root, and it says "append a valit "root=" boot option |
| 13:43.51 | Ronin | operador: as you well know english is the language here please |
| 13:43.57 | operador | to perdidinho nessa parada aqui, na boa |
| 13:43.57 | mirko | I really don't know how to do |
| 13:44.23 | operador | tem ningum q fala portugus nessa parada no..rsrsrs |
| 13:44.31 | Eulex | !br |
| 13:44.31 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:44.37 | mirko | . |
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| 13:44.51 | mirko | noone can help? |
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| 13:44.55 | kurumin | hi |
| 13:45.10 | mirko | hi kurumin |
| 13:45.10 | chino2 | where is the inetd startup script ? |
| 13:45.16 | kurumin | you can help -me withy samba |
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| 13:45.37 | mirko | please noone has any idea_ |
| 13:45.39 | mirko | ? |
| 13:45.39 | chino2 | got it |
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| 13:45.45 | kurumin | connet two computers and 1 printer in network with samba |
| 13:45.50 | Eulex | mirko, which was your last kernel? also, have you checked /boot/grub/menu.lst so it has a valid root= option for your new kernel (that is, if you're using grub)? |
| 13:45.57 | ma3x | stew, a lot of people seem to have that problem. for eg. http://www.patoche.org/LTT/disk/00000163.html |
| 13:46.00 | Nicholas | I need some huge tip here. My /var/lib/dpkg/available file is corrupt... |
| 13:46.04 | Nicholas | how can I rebuild it? |
| 13:46.15 | stew | ma3x: my guess would be that this is a hardware error, not a problem with how your mounting it. but again, this is a guess because, like i said, I don't know what this error means |
| 13:46.15 | Nicholas | I can't use any dpkg/apt command until it is better |
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| 13:46.46 | stew | mirko: are you trying to boot a kernel you compiled yourself or a debian kernel? do you use lilo or grub? |
| 13:46.59 | Nicholas | anyone know how to rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 13:47.06 | stew | Nicholas: /msg dpkg available |
| 13:47.08 | Nicholas | or is my debian install completely hosed now? |
| 13:47.17 | kurumin | you can help mirko |
| 13:47.39 | k1ckn1ck | hi i'm having problems with exim when i do a test email i am getting these problems http://phpfi.com/90898 |
| 13:47.44 | ma3x | stew, but since hundreds of users have the same problem, then it's not a hardware issue. maybe a kernel? |
| 13:47.45 | Nicholas | stew: cool feature |
| 13:47.46 | mirko | when i launch lilo it gets me a warning |
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| 13:47.48 | Nicholas | stew: thanks |
| 13:48.19 | mirko | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure |
| 13:48.20 | kurumin | hello mirko you are there you can help |
| 13:48.35 | kurumin | somebody |
| 13:48.54 | stew | mirko: what kernel version is this? did you compile it? what version of debian? |
| 13:49.09 | Eulex | mirko, you're running lilo? then I think there's something you have to do something special after updating your kernel, right? have you done that, whatever it was? |
| 13:49.13 | Ronin | patience kurumin |
| 13:49.15 | stew | kurumin: did you ask a question yet? |
| 13:49.17 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 13:49.28 | kurumin | yes |
| 13:49.38 | Eulex | umh, remove that first 'something' |
| 13:49.39 | stew | kurumin: |
| 13:49.46 | kurumin | i need help with samba |
| 13:49.47 | stew | "connet two computers and 1 printer in network with samba" <- that is your question? |
| 13:49.48 | sussudio | !kurumin |
| 13:49.49 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 13:49.58 | mirko | Eulex: it gets me that warning |
| 13:50.15 | kurumin | thanks |
| 13:50.29 | mirko | I think it's because devfs |
| 13:50.42 | chino2 | i had some problems trying to compile tightvnc on debian |
| 13:50.48 | chino2 | has anyone tried ? |
| 13:51.02 | mirko | in the menuconfig of kernel (2.6.14) I don't know how to disable devfs |
| 13:51.33 | tralala | chino2: I haven't. What problems did you have anyway? |
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| 13:51.33 | chino2 | tralala: let me go try again |
| 13:51.34 | jm_ | mirko: you'll have hard time enabling it, not disabling it |
| 13:51.34 | stew | !wayc chino2 |
| 13:51.34 | dpkg | chino2: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:51.47 | chino2 | because apt-get doesn't have tightvnc |
| 13:51.57 | stew | chino2: what version of debian? |
| 13:52.00 | mirko | jm_ I think it's enabled |
| 13:52.01 | chino2 | sarge |
| 13:52.04 | MASoft | Is there anyway to make ESD faster ? it takes about 0.4 seconds to start play sounds :( |
| 13:52.04 | Eulex | mirko, "warning"? I think it's quite serious if it doesn't find your root partition |
| 13:52.05 | loxley_ | chino2: yes it does |
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| 13:52.13 | stew | !info tightvncserver sarge |
| 13:52.19 | mirko | Eulex exactly:) |
| 13:52.22 | chino2 | wtf i sware that wasn't there ghe other day it must be in contrib cause i just added that lol |
| 13:52.27 | slibs | MASoft: configure kernel :D |
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| 13:52.43 | MASoft | slibs, and change what ? |
| 13:52.47 | chino2 | vncserver causes my windows to crash i gues tightvnc doens't cause it uses the tight vnc encoding |
| 13:52.54 | mirko | how can i DISABLE devfs? |
| 13:53.06 | chino2 | how do i see what packages "i" have installed ? |
| 13:53.17 | loxley_ | chino2: dpkg -l |
| 13:53.20 | tralala | chino2: aptitude search ~i |
| 13:53.28 | dpkg | tightvncserver: (virtual network computing server software), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.9-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 607 kB, Installed size: 1304 kB |
| 13:53.32 | stew | chino2: ^^^ its not in contrib its in main |
| 13:53.36 | chino2 | :\ |
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| 13:53.41 | chino2 | maybe i wasn't good enough yet |
| 13:54.05 | k1ckn1ck | hi i'm having problems with exim when i do a test email i am getting the problems in this paste http://phpfi.com/90898 |
| 13:54.07 | slibs | MASoft: i can't answer that for sure, but at least take set stuff you don't need off |
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| 13:54.10 | chino2 | what is xtightvncserver? |
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| 13:54.16 | Eulex | mirko, btw, why are you compiling the 2.6.14 kernel when you could just fetch it as a package from unstable? |
| 13:54.21 | David|Lappy | tightvnc, chino2 |
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| 13:54.26 | chino2 | no there is two |
| 13:54.27 | David|Lappy | For controlling a PC remotely. |
| 13:54.30 | tralala | chino2: you can check the description |
| 13:54.32 | chino2 | tightvncserver and xtightvncserver |
| 13:54.39 | stew | chino2: there isn't such a package, there is xtightvncviewer which is the client |
| 13:54.39 | chino2 | show ? |
| 13:54.39 | MASoft | slibs, I did !!! it doesn't has any effect on ESD :) |
| 13:54.40 | Zugschlus | k1ckn1ck: tell your exim not to EHLO localhost.localdomain |
| 13:54.42 | slibs | MASoft: and i bet you can find something if you google hard enough |
| 13:54.45 | mirko | Eulex: because I want the kernel compiled as i like:) |
| 13:54.49 | chino2 | ah i dont need no client |
| 13:55.17 | valdyn | MASoft: just dont use esd, its crap |
| 13:55.18 | Eulex | mirko, why? |
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| 13:55.39 | slibs | valdyn: alsa better? |
| 13:55.44 | xst | I have installed the mozilla-plugin-vlc package but it uses the wrong audio device as default (and therefore I hear no sound). If I run vlc from the command line the correct audio device is used. How can I configure which audiodevice to be used for the firefox-vlc player? |
| 13:55.49 | tralala | Eulex: so (s)he can come here and ask questions |
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| 13:56.00 | tralala | or just for the fun of it |
| 13:56.00 | Eulex | slibs, you're comparing apples and oranges |
| 13:56.08 | chino2 | i have a inetd script i made which detects clients tryign to connect to vnc on port 5900 and if there was someone logged into the system on display 0 it would run x11vnc on that display or run x11vnc on kdm incase no one was logged in... but i could never figure out how to get inted to properly work on the web port :[ |
| 13:56.08 | cahoot | slibs: those are not mutually exclusive |
| 13:56.10 | slibs | so? |
| 13:56.12 | Gus2 | http://photo-club.org/ |
| 13:56.17 | MASoft | valdyn, I need to play some sounds together :( what can I use instead ? |
| 13:56.20 | slibs | what's better than esd then |
| 13:56.24 | valdyn | slibs: alsa is something else, but it can do software mixing better, yes |
| 13:56.29 | Eulex | !better |
| 13:56.29 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 13:56.32 | stew | mirko: devfs doesn't exist in 2.6.14, it was removed completely from the kernel. if you are getting cant mount root at boot time it means you failed to compile in drivers needed to mount your root fs which includes your filesystem (ext3?) and your hard disk controller (ide/scsi/sata) |
| 13:56.42 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 13:56.42 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 13:56.55 | mirko | Eulex: because compiling a kernel it gives me the opportunity to choose what to compile for my needs:) |
| 13:57.04 | mirko | stew: TNX! |
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| 13:57.12 | k1ckn1ck | i am havign an issue with SMTP>> EHLO localhost.localdomain how do i change it to scorpion.clggroup |
| 13:57.15 | Eulex | mirko, and why doesn't the stock debian 2.6.14 kernel fit your needs? |
| 13:57.30 | slibs | do you know anything about writing in ntfs? |
| 13:57.44 | Ronin | slibs: only thats its highly not suggested to do |
| 13:57.49 | Eulex | slibs, yes, it's unsupported |
| 13:58.00 | slibs | why new kernel supports it then |
| 13:58.04 | slibs | if it's not supported |
| 13:58.07 | mirko | Eulex : it's fat, full of built-inS I don't need |
| 13:58.13 | tralala | mirko: compiling your own kernel is pointless unless you want custom patches or you are able to do it *better* than the debian kernel team |
| 13:58.15 | slibs | it's not even (experimental) |
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| 13:58.28 | slibs | well i have to go now anyway |
| 13:58.36 | slibs | see ya |
| 13:58.41 | Eulex | slibs, oh, yes, newer kernels support writing to small files without changing their sizes |
| 13:58.50 | Eulex | slibs, but that's about it. |
| 13:58.51 | mathieu_ | can anyone name some nice programs to draw diagrams? |
| 13:58.57 | slibs | ah right |
| 13:59.07 | slept | mathieu, xfig |
| 13:59.26 | Eulex | mirko, then don't load the modules you don't need. |
| 13:59.49 | jor | mathieu: xfig, dia, oodraw, kivio |
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| 14:00.27 | mirko | Eulex: it's not only for the modules. it's for some support(s) that enlarge considerely the kernel size and that I don't need. |
| 14:01.04 | k1ckn1ck | when i try to send emails i get EHLO localhost.localdomain how do i change it to read scorpion.clggroup |
| 14:01.25 | stew | k1ckn1ck: what mta are you using? |
| 14:01.32 | k1ckn1ck | exim |
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| 14:01.40 | k1ckn1ck | exim4 sorry |
| 14:01.44 | stew | k1ckn1ck: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:01.50 | k1ckn1ck | ok ty |
| 14:01.50 | chino2 | wtf squirrel mail installed apache2 on me |
| 14:01.58 | mathieu_ | slept, jor, thanks |
| 14:01.59 | chino2 | cant i stop apt-get from doing whatever it feels like |
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| 14:02.06 | jm_ | mirko: it has been removed from latest kernels ... |
| 14:02.23 | fireba11 | chino2: what the hell are you doing to your poor apt-get ? |
| 14:02.23 | Eulex | chino2, apt-get doesn't do what it "feels like" |
| 14:02.25 | mirko | jm_ ok |
| 14:02.28 | stew | chino2: you must have an httpd for squirrelmail if you don't choose one, one will be installed for you |
| 14:02.39 | chino2 | i use lighttpd |
| 14:02.58 | stew | chino2: is that a debian package? |
| 14:03.14 | jm_ | mirko: as in, the config option, not devfs (yet) |
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| 14:03.33 | chino2 | no |
| 14:03.37 | chino2 | stew: |
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| 14:03.52 | tralala | chino2: then apt doesn't know about it |
| 14:03.58 | stew | chino2: then you must use equivs to install a fake httpd packge to satisfy the dependencies /msg dpkg equivs |
| 14:03.58 | loxley_ | dude.. apt-get is super, but it aint mindreader |
| 14:03.59 | chino2 | and i care ? |
| 14:04.03 | tralala | so it thinks you need an httpd and installs one |
| 14:04.09 | Patrick` | why in the name of my cat's claws did my testing machine decide to use gcc-4.0 as gcc? |
| 14:04.19 | chino2 | see so it did do whatever it wanted |
| 14:04.26 | stew | Patrick`: that is the default gcc in testing |
| 14:04.36 | Patrick` | it also makes kernels not work. |
| 14:04.43 | chino2 | if i do a apt-cache search does it look for packages i installed my self ? |
| 14:04.44 | tralala | chino2: no, it did whatever was _needed_ |
| 14:04.46 | stew | chino2: it wouldn't have installed packages you didn't request without asking you first |
| 14:04.57 | chino2 | stew: i never asked for apache2 |
| 14:05.29 | stew | chino2: right and it said, "the following additional packages will be installed: " and listed apache2 apache2-common...." ok? [Yn] |
| 14:05.33 | loxley_ | chino2: if you did apt-get install squirrelmail, you would have been prompted for apache2 |
| 14:05.40 | chino2 | did it lol ? |
| 14:05.55 | chino2 | ah it allways just asks if im sure so i hit ok |
| 14:06.00 | tralala | chino2: if you install sofware manually you should tell apt manually about the software you have installed, so it will know and doesn't install duplicates. OK? |
| 14:06.01 | stew | right |
| 14:06.07 | chino2 | why cant it just install what i ask! |
| 14:06.13 | Patrick` | I thought that gcc 4 was widely regarded as being what we term "not stable" ? |
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| 14:06.20 | Patrick` | or have I been sleeping |
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| 14:06.31 | chino2 | tralala: so how do i tell apt "hey this is my httpd deamon" |
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| 14:06.37 | stew | chino2: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 14:06.39 | raden | if i upgrade to a 64 bit CPU does that mean when i download programs i have to find 64 bit also or can i run 32 bit apps ? |
| 14:06.49 | tralala | chino2: stew told you (twice now) |
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| 14:07.02 | chino2 | he did :\ ? |
| 14:07.07 | botsy | do you know in ldap if it's possible to recovery the the ldif files ? |
| 14:07.13 | tralala | *twice* |
| 14:07.19 | Patrick` | personally, I think the idea of a debian support channel kind of defeats the point of debian |
| 14:07.32 | chino2 | the equivs stuff ? |
| 14:07.38 | raden | Patrick`, how soo |
| 14:07.40 | tralala | yessss |
| 14:07.43 | Patrick` | I cried my way through newsgroup postings from 1997, why shouldn't everyone else ^_^ |
| 14:07.49 | Patrick` | and I'm a more competent person for it |
| 14:07.56 | Patrick` | and there are a lot of face-shaped dents in my wall |
| 14:08.13 | chino2 | ok how do i get rid of this apache2 and all of its other packages now |
| 14:08.15 | raden | LOL |
| 14:08.29 | stew | chino2: apt-get remove --purge apache2-common |
| 14:09.01 | chino2 | thank you |
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| 14:09.34 | chino2 | why isn't there a lighttpd package in apt-get ? |
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| 14:09.39 | legolas | hi can someone help me? |
| 14:10.12 | raden | dont ask to ask just ask |
| 14:10.24 | legolas | ok sorry |
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| 14:10.30 | legolas | well the thing is like this |
| 14:10.38 | tralala | chino2: no volunteer maintainers, perhaps |
| 14:10.56 | chino2 | tralala: couldn't i submit the package i made or is there allot more too it ? |
| 14:11.07 | legolas | i installed debian just basic packages without any Desktop, etc so when i install it i wanna know what should i do |
| 14:11.22 | zamba | can anyone shed some light on how i backport a package from etch to sarge? |
| 14:11.24 | tralala | !tell chino2 -about nmg |
| 14:11.26 | stew | chino2: check wnpp to see if a itp or an rfp have been files /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 14:11.28 | legolas | and how to add Desktop (XFree86, KDE) |
| 14:11.37 | chino2 | wtf did you just say ? |
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| 14:11.51 | zamba | i've downloaded the source from etch, but when i try running dpkg-buildpackage i get unmet dependencies (of course) |
| 14:11.57 | chino2 | all i heard in my brain while reading your last sentence was a bunch of letters |
| 14:11.57 | chino2 | lol |
| 14:12.03 | stew | zamba: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 14:12.06 | legolas | raden can you help me? |
| 14:12.10 | valdyn | legolas: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome' |
| 14:12.14 | stew | chino2: /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg rfp |
| 14:12.20 | legolas | i said kde |
| 14:12.21 | legolas | now gnome |
| 14:12.23 | legolas | not* |
| 14:12.26 | legolas | :) |
| 14:12.26 | zamba | stew: what does that do? |
| 14:12.28 | valdyn | legolas: or 'apt-get install x-window-system-core kde' |
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| 14:12.39 | stew | zamba: installs the packages required to build it |
| 14:12.50 | legolas | valdyn, what about irssi |
| 14:12.53 | legolas | how can i install it |
| 14:13.00 | slept | legolas, apt-cache search kde will help you |
| 14:13.00 | legolas | i get package not found |
| 14:13.02 | valdyn | legolas: apt-cache search irssi |
| 14:13.05 | chino2 | so where is this itp list ? |
| 14:13.22 | valdyn | !itp |
| 14:13.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, itp is Intent To Package |
| 14:13.23 | stew | chino2: /msg dpkg wnpp... |
| 14:13.27 | zamba | stew: eh, that won't work.. the dependencies are for etch, and i'm running sarge |
| 14:13.30 | Patrick` | irssi-text |
| 14:13.31 | chino2 | yes im at the page |
| 14:13.46 | zamba | stew: i downloaded the source package from etch and i want to build it for sarge (backporting?) |
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| 14:13.54 | tralala | zamba: what do you expect then? |
| 14:14.02 | stew | zamba: and not all the build-dependencies exist in sarge? |
| 14:14.06 | zamba | stew: nope |
| 14:14.12 | stew | zamba: then you have backport those as well |
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| 14:14.24 | zamba | someone told me to backport the source |
| 14:14.31 | zamba | instead of packporting the package |
| 14:14.33 | stew | zamba: what are you trying to backport? |
| 14:14.36 | zamba | icecast2 |
| 14:14.41 | stew | zamba: the only way to backport is from source |
| 14:14.46 | chino2 | doesn't seem to be in the adoption lists |
| 14:15.14 | stew | zamba: icecast2 is already in stable. do you just need a newer version? |
| 14:15.28 | stew | zamba: what is the dependency that doesn't exist in sarge? |
| 14:15.38 | zamba | stew: because the version in etch got features i want |
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| 14:16.05 | zamba | stew: dependencies |
| 14:16.08 | zamba | stew: plural :) |
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| 14:16.16 | stew | zamba: what are they (plural) |
| 14:16.26 | G_ | anyone help me with the get command pleasE? |
| 14:16.51 | stew | G_: GET? or apt-get? or what? tell us what you are trying to do |
| 14:16.53 | zamba | stew: just to be sure we're on the same page here.. first i added deb-src for etch in sources.list.. i then did apt-get source icecast2.. then did dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:17.05 | chino2 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=304271 |
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| 14:17.07 | G_ | how do you make get, get a get a folder, as apposed to a file? |
| 14:17.08 | orlowsks | Does anyone know how to determine what application is slowly using more memory |
| 14:17.08 | stew | zamba: you need to also do apt-get build-dep icecast2 |
| 14:17.14 | chino2 | if it has a bug report it should be on some server right ? |
| 14:17.27 | abrotman | orlowsks: top is one way |
| 14:17.28 | zamba | stew: E: Build-Depends dependency for icecast2 cannot be satisfied because the package libcurl3-gnutls-dev cannot be found |
| 14:17.31 | G_ | stew - GET: how do you make get, get a get a folder, as apposed to a file? |
| 14:18.00 | valdyn | orlowsks: quit alot of applications do that |
| 14:18.02 | valdyn | orlowsks: quite alot of applications do that |
| 14:18.04 | chino2 | its being worked on |
| 14:18.09 | stew | zamba: you would need to backport libcur3-gnutls-dev first then |
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| 14:18.13 | orlowsks | But all the numbers in RES don't add up |
| 14:18.17 | Ward | Anyone an idea where I can find http://auric.debian.org/~bcollins/disks-sparc/current/sparc-mini.iso ? The standard debian sparc image doesnt has a IDE driver for my blade 150 included, I read on the mailinglists bcollins sparc-mini should work, but the site is already down for years |
| 14:18.24 | zamba | stew: no other alternative? |
| 14:18.26 | stew | G_: i don't believe you can. you could use wget -r |
| 14:18.34 | valdyn | orlowsks: dont add up to what? |
| 14:18.40 | stew | zamba: edit the source so that it no longer depends on libcurl3-gnutls-dev |
| 14:18.42 | zamba | stew: a friend of mine mentioned two alternatives.. either backport the unmet dependencies OR backport the -source-.. |
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| 14:19.23 | orlowsks | I started with 1 gig ram and during inital boot i was using about 300 megs now after two weeks i am up to 1 gig |
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| 14:19.38 | valdyn | orlowsks: im at 1.5 gig after a few minutes |
| 14:19.48 | valdyn | orlowsks: 'free' |
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| 14:20.39 | orlowsks | When does it stop increasing? |
| 14:20.43 | valdyn | orlowsks: you want to give some details |
| 14:20.57 | valdyn | orlowsks: we dont know what you are talking about if you dont give details |
| 14:21.19 | positron | i cant get my logitech usb mouse wheel to work. i have tried everything. can somebody help me? |
| 14:21.29 | fireba11 | orlowsks: be carefull when talking about free ram, usually a lot os reserved but will be freed instantly if needed |
| 14:21.44 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 14:21.44 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 14:21.49 | fireba11 | orlowsks: also linux usually uses every not-needed ram for caching |
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| 14:22.19 | abrotman | orlowsks: what is the system running ? |
| 14:22.21 | fireba11 | valdyn: should remember that .. saves my typing :-) |
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| 14:22.46 | orlowsks | I have a workstation that has 1 gig ram, All it does is recieve mail and spam filtering. During initial boot it uses about 300 megs. After 3 days of uptime, it increases to 1 gig used |
| 14:22.54 | orlowsks | Debian (sarge) |
| 14:23.04 | abrotman | i blame the spam! |
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| 14:23.15 | tralala | I Blame Microsoft (IBM) |
| 14:23.19 | tralala | (tm) |
| 14:23.22 | valdyn | this box cant be doing much if it takes 3 whole days to fill the ram.. |
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| 14:23.32 | positron | i cant get my logitech usb mouse wheel to work. i have tried everything. can somebody help me? |
| 14:23.40 | orlowsks | No it really isn't |
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| 14:24.14 | orlowsks | But I thought when I got the 1 gig, I would always have some free |
| 14:24.22 | valdyn | orlowsks: why dont you READ |
| 14:24.22 | tralala | positron: your what? usb wheel mouse or usb gaming wheel? |
| 14:24.30 | valdyn | orlowsks: dpkg told you why this is so |
| 14:24.37 | positron | my usb mouse's wheel |
| 14:24.46 | valdyn | orlowsks: and why dont you provide us with details ( like the output of 'free' ) |
| 14:24.56 | positron | ZAxisMappings wont work |
| 14:25.05 | positron | from XFree86-4 |
| 14:25.12 | positron | config file i mean |
| 14:25.16 | orlowsks | Sorry |
| 14:25.43 | Zapelius | Anyone got OSS sound working on Mac Mini (sarge)? |
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| 14:25.46 | Zapelius | I have all modules loaded fine, but aumix doesn't find any mixers (snd-mixer-oss is ok), mpg321 says 'Cant find a suitable libao driver'. Anyone? |
| 14:25.48 | orlowsks | I was typing |
| 14:26.12 | Fraze | Help! when i try to run mozilla/gaim/thunderbird it says "can not find fallback font".. and exists.. what can i do? |
| 14:26.40 | positron | Fraze: have you googled yet? |
| 14:26.44 | orlowsks | Cpu(s): 0.3% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| 14:26.44 | orlowsks | Mem: 3502024k total, 2117484k used, 1384540k free, 167748k buffers |
| 14:26.44 | orlowsks | Swap: 979956k total, 0k used, 979956k free, 1596536k cached |
| 14:26.48 | tralala | positron: does the mouse work otherwise? |
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| 14:27.05 | positron | tralala: yes. only the wheel doesnt work |
| 14:27.06 | Fraze | positron: Yes, even searched in the google groups |
| 14:27.28 | orlowsks | Thank you dpkg |
| 14:27.28 | dpkg | sure thing, orlowsks |
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| 14:27.43 | Fraze | positron: It happend after i've removed Openoffice 1.1 and installed OpenOffice 2 |
| 14:27.53 | slept | positron, Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2",Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" ,works for me (with logitec usb) |
| 14:28.10 | stew | Fraze: what version of debian are you using? |
| 14:28.17 | tralala | positron: are you using IMPS/2? |
| 14:28.18 | valdyn | orlowsks: mem used - buffers - cached = 'used by programs' |
| 14:28.22 | positron | slept: i have tried a bunch of protocols and other settings but no :( |
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| 14:28.36 | tralala | positron: did you try knoppix? |
| 14:28.41 | Fraze | stew: I'm using sarge.. please tell me it is possible to fix it |
| 14:28.42 | positron | tralala: yes. tried with ExplorerPS/2 and others too |
| 14:28.50 | positron | tralala: knoppix? |
| 14:28.58 | stew | Fraze: how did you install openoffice2 on sarge? |
| 14:29.02 | positron | where to i need a live cd? |
| 14:29.17 | vilmiz | hello |
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| 14:29.19 | slept | positron, anything but the wheel works ? |
| 14:29.20 | tralala | positron: yeah, just to see if it will manage to configure it correctly |
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| 14:29.25 | positron | slept: yes |
| 14:29.41 | positron | tralala: well i dont have it |
| 14:29.43 | Fraze | stew: I googled, and found out that i need to do , alien -i *.rpm then dpkg -i *.deb in the desktop somehting directory |
| 14:30.03 | positron | and the mouse works in 2.4 kernel which is wierd |
| 14:30.06 | tralala | positron: what kernel and mouse device are you using? |
| 14:30.08 | positron | i mean the wheel |
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| 14:30.15 | slept | positron, I can paste you my config in #flood if you like |
| 14:30.24 | positron | i tried both /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice |
| 14:30.31 | fwd | |
| 14:30.35 | positron | and im on 2.6.14 |
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| 14:30.48 | orlowsks | Thanks for the info valdyn, Much appreciated! |
| 14:30.53 | positron | slept: ok cool. ill think that im propably already seen it but yes please |
| 14:30.55 | tralala | positron: is it custom compiled? |
| 14:31.12 | positron | tralala: yes. but the same thing with preconfigured |
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| 14:31.37 | positron | slept: i have exactly the same conf now |
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| 14:31.58 | orlowsks | valdyn: with these specs though, this station should never use swap. Correct? |
| 14:32.08 | valdyn | orlowsks: no, not correct |
| 14:32.28 | valdyn | orlowsks: completely unused pages will be default be swapped at some point |
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| 14:32.55 | devilz_ | hi how can i add X server and KDE? |
| 14:32.56 | valdyn | orlowsks: you can disable swap, you can tune swappiness in /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 14:33.07 | Fraze | Help? :((( |
| 14:33.10 | stew | devilz_: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
| 14:33.23 | abrotman | orlowsks: i have seen machines with 2GB of ram that use swap .. it happens |
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| 14:33.42 | orlowsks | Swap decreases performance..Correct? |
| 14:33.42 | ma3x | I ripped my 9GB DVD and now I played the movie |
| 14:33.46 | ma3x | it slices the picture |
| 14:33.51 | ma3x | why? |
| 14:33.52 | devilz_ | 700mb? |
| 14:33.57 | devilz_ | lol |
| 14:34.05 | valdyn | orlowsks: so basically when swap is on you can tune to never use swap unless you system runs completely out of ram or your system will swap out _anything_ as soon as it can |
| 14:34.13 | stew | orlowsks: if by swapping out unused pages it makes room for more caching, it will increase performance |
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| 14:34.18 | abrotman | orlowsks: well .. compared to running without it .. yes and no :) .. if oyu run without it .. and oyu run out of RAM .. system either starts killing stuff or goes down |
| 14:34.29 | abrotman | but obviously disk is slower than RAM |
| 14:34.35 | stew | !swappiness |
| 14:34.35 | dpkg | from memory, swappiness is A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swapiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3660 |
| 14:34.38 | mtupper | Is it possible that my MySQL server has a name other than localhost? If so how can I check to see what name it is using? |
| 14:34.53 | positron | slept: didnt help. i tried removing the whole line and restarted X |
| 14:35.00 | orlowsks | I get the picture...Thanks to you all. |
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| 14:35.22 | slept | positron, didn't you restart x after every change ? |
| 14:35.32 | stew | mtupper: netstat -plant | grep 3306 ; that will tell you what ip's its listening on |
| 14:35.47 | abrotman | orlowsks: it is possible one of your apps has a memory leak though |
| 14:35.49 | positron | slept: i have restarted X yes. ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 14:35.55 | Fraze | It says: "(firefox-bin:2967): Pango-WARNING **: Cannot open fallback font, nothing to do".. So, i guess there is nothing really to do?.. I googled and found nothing.. |
| 14:36.04 | abrotman | ask irc.mozilla.org ? |
| 14:36.14 | ma3x | I ripped a DVD, its 9 GB on my harddisk, and now when I play it it has like only 10 fps |
| 14:36.24 | stew | Fraze: did you happen to note if other packages were removed when you installed the alienzied deb? |
| 14:36.24 | Fraze | abrotman: It happends in more programs.. |
| 14:36.30 | orlowsks | And where could I get information on how to track it down? |
| 14:36.30 | ma3x | why ? |
| 14:36.32 | valdyn | abrotman: his mem usage doesnt look like anything was leaking significantly |
| 14:36.40 | Eulex | ma3x, what program did you use to rip it? |
| 14:36.41 | abrotman | i didn't see it |
| 14:36.42 | Fraze | stew: I don't remember :( |
| 14:37.04 | mtupper | stew, so the result shows me that mysqld is up and running, which I knew was the case, but I have an app that is saying it cant connect to the DB at 'localhost' |
| 14:37.29 | mtupper | stew, how can I confirm what the name is??? |
| 14:37.36 | stew | mtupper: by default the mysql from debian doesnt listen on any ip, you have to edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 14:37.45 | stew | mtupper: what version of mysql? |
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| 14:38.09 | stew | mtupper: edit that file and look for either skip-netowrking or bind-address |
| 14:38.20 | Zapelius | All I have found out, is that this sound issue is quite common with 2.6.8 kernel. currently I can not upgrade (special HW/depends issues) :( |
| 14:38.22 | valdyn | Fraze: apt-get install ttf-bitstream fontconfig x-ttcidfont-conf ( just a guess ) |
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| 14:39.05 | ma3x | Eulex, dvdbackup |
| 14:39.25 | mtupper | stew, running MySQL 5.0.15 |
| 14:39.45 | stew | mtupper: then you need to add a bind-address = 127.0.0.1 to my.cnf and restart |
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| 14:39.56 | Eulex | ma3x, never tried that one. ask the authors. |
| 14:40.06 | Fraze | I have allready them.. |
| 14:40.14 | Fraze | valdyn, I have allready them.. |
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| 14:40.16 | Zapelius | and I do have libao2 installed |
| 14:40.17 | mtupper | stew, thx |
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| 14:40.37 | ma3x | Eulex, what do you rip with? |
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| 14:41.11 | stew | ma3x: you'll have to transcode the file to a bitrate/resolution that your machine can handle |
| 14:41.41 | ma3x | stew, how do I do that? |
| 14:41.46 | Eulex | ma3x, mencoder from cvs should be good at ripping & encoding. |
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| 14:42.05 | ma3x | Eulex, how long will that transcoding process take? |
| 14:42.12 | anarcat | anyone experienced with the LVM config in the d-i? |
| 14:42.24 | anarcat | my question: is it installing LVM1 or 2? |
| 14:42.27 | stew | ma3x: or use a program which will encode them to a smaller size to start with. there is transcode and dvdrip but they don't exist in debian you can get them from marillat |
| 14:42.28 | ma3x | ok, what means exactly transcode and what encode? |
| 14:42.45 | vincent` | hrm what's a udeb file ? |
| 14:42.49 | stew | !udeb |
| 14:42.50 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 14:43.07 | vincent` | thx |
| 14:43.09 | mtupper | stew, already had bind-address = 127.0.0.1 in the my.cnf... |
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| 14:43.15 | stew | ma3x: transcode means to re-encode to a different codec or bitrate of the same codec |
| 14:43.23 | ma3x | stew, the css encryption means that I have to encode it or transcode it? |
| 14:43.29 | stew | mtupper: is it listed when you netstat -plant | grep 3306? |
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| 14:43.36 | stew | ma3x: no |
| 14:44.03 | ma3x | stew, but why should I transcode it? I want to see the movie from my harddisk, just like when watching it from the dvd |
| 14:44.07 | mtupper | stew, yeah i get: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 910/mysqld |
| 14:44.46 | k1ckn1ck | shud my copy of exim have a exim4.conf file in \etc\exim4\ ??????? |
| 14:45.15 | k1ckn1ck | i do have a template tho |
| 14:45.23 | stew | mtupper: then i would guess you are having a mysql permissions problem. turn on logging in mysql, and read /var/log/mysql.log, and look for a permission denied error, it may be that your application appears to come from a different ip than what it has been granted permissions for |
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| 14:45.44 | mtupper | stew, thx again. |
| 14:46.06 | stew | ma3x: i dont' know |
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| 14:48.34 | k1ckn1ck | stew shud i have a exim4.conf file as well as a exim4.conf.template file |
| 14:48.36 | RipperFox | hi there.. anyone can tell me if apache2 from unstable got largefile support compiled in? (sarge&testing haven't!) |
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| 14:49.14 | abrotman | RipperFox: unpack the package .. look at the build rules |
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| 14:49.40 | botsy | for ldap it's necessary i edit all files in /etc/pam.d/ and add in all the module pam_ldap.so ? or it's just if i want active tsl ? |
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| 14:49.50 | stew | k1ckn1ck: no, not necessarily |
| 14:49.56 | GenNMX | Sorry about the flood...that shouldn't happen anymore |
| 14:50.10 | k1ckn1ck | well my set up is messed up big time then |
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| 14:50.46 | k1ckn1ck | cos i am unable to change the host name and so recieving This message has been blocked because the HELO/EHLO domain is invalid |
| 14:50.52 | k1ckn1ck | error |
| 14:51.06 | petemc | k1ckn1ck: what docs have you read? |
| 14:51.09 | k1ckn1ck | current host is EHLO localhost.localdomain |
| 14:51.24 | k1ckn1ck | all the files on exim |
| 14:51.41 | k1ckn1ck | but i dint read up on vi command so prob need ot reinstall |
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| 14:52.06 | stew | k1ckn1ck: "grep -r localdomain /etc/exim4" |
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| 14:54.17 | IceD^ | how to install kdevelop in testing? |
| 14:54.18 | IceD^ | hello |
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| 14:54.37 | antgel | IceD^: aptitude install kdevelop |
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| 14:55.12 | IceD^ | antgel: seems, it's not in rep |
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| 14:55.30 | botsy | anybody know what's this error in webmin for ldap : " Failed to save user : Failed to add user to LDAP database : cn: value #0 invalid per syntax " please helpme ..... |
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| 14:55.33 | IceD^ | if aptitude does the same job as apt-get |
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| 14:55.46 | rasp1 | I'm having problems with a network card, and can't seem to figure it out. |
| 14:55.48 | orlowsks | valdyn: So increasing the value frees ram quicker? Correct |
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| 14:56.01 | lupz | anyone knows how to make tar follow symlinks ? |
| 14:56.03 | Eulex | !why is kdevelop not in testing |
| 14:56.03 | dpkg | kdevelop is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdevelop |
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| 14:56.51 | Fraze | My pango cannot open somefonts and that why i can not run some programs like mozilla gaim etc.. what can i do |
| 14:56.53 | orlowsks | Excuse value in the swappiness |
| 14:56.58 | slept | I'm looking for some backup software that can use dvds, which is important cause its round 170GB of data , and the possibility to burn additional dvds for the new data without having to do the whole backup again |
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| 14:56.59 | IceD^ | dpkg: and...? |
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| 14:57.16 | antgel | !tell slept about mondo |
| 14:57.21 | IceD^ | ahha |
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| 14:57.40 | slept | antgel, I tried to use it but no dvd support |
| 14:58.09 | antgel | slept: hmm. i thought it did. i'm out of ideas then |
| 14:58.16 | Eulex | !why is kdevelop3 not in testing |
| 14:58.16 | dpkg | kdevelop3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdevelop3 |
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| 14:59.05 | ma3x | can I somehow clear my dmesg? |
| 14:59.16 | caphuso | ma3x: -c |
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| 14:59.39 | slept | a mounted nfs share shouldn't make a problem for a backup with mondo ? |
| 14:59.57 | ma3x | thanks capchaos |
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| 15:01.55 | tomiq | please where is the script gnome runs at startup...?? |
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| 15:04.26 | devilz_ | is it possible to upgrade all packages |
| 15:04.32 | devilz_ | with some software |
| 15:04.37 | devilz_ | in kde or something |
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| 15:05.22 | kart_ | devilz_, apt-get update | apt-get upgrade |
| 15:05.22 | Eulex | devilz_, sudo apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) |
| 15:05.35 | bnoji | I'm trying to find a good way to backup a server that is in use 24/7 |
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| 15:05.44 | Eulex | kart_, that too |
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| 15:06.17 | bnoji | Users have Outlook pst files and all of their home dirs on this server, and while running backups users are accessing their mail mid-stream |
| 15:06.40 | bnoji | I get messages from tar saying the file was changed while reading it |
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| 15:07.22 | bnoji | There isnt really a time when users arent accessing this machine |
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| 15:07.47 | devilz_ | kart_: where can i get sources.list |
| 15:08.02 | Ronin | devilz_: man apt as i recall |
| 15:08.05 | devilz_ | so i can install all packages, and latest 'stable' version |
| 15:08.21 | Eulex | devilz_, apt-setup |
| 15:08.53 | kart_ | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:09.26 | kart_ | you may want to uncomment some lines starting with deb and deb-src |
| 15:10.20 | devilz_ | Eulex: i already did that |
| 15:10.40 | Eulex | devilz_, then it should be setup |
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| 15:11.34 | alephant | Hey all... |
| 15:11.47 | alephant | ...I want to use python2.4 as my default python |
| 15:11.56 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: are you here ? got a quick question |
| 15:12.02 | alephant | I don't want to brute-force it by symlinking /usr/bin/python |
| 15:12.22 | alephant | is there a canonical way to use a non-standard python version as my default? |
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| 15:13.30 | alephant | ack |
| 15:13.34 | fireba11 | is anyone with dovecot experience here ? i want to know if i should stick with 0.99.14-1 as it is in stable or use 1.0.alpha4-1 as used in unstable and testing because there are considerable changes |
| 15:13.34 | alephant | stupid BitchX |
| 15:13.46 | abrotman | alephant: instead of what ? |
| 15:14.01 | pusakat | alephant, man update-alternatives |
| 15:14.08 | alephant | I'm running "testing", so the default is python2.3 |
| 15:14.21 | LSorensen | alephant: irssi is much better than bitchx |
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| 15:14.33 | abrotman | alephant: install python2.4 ? |
| 15:14.45 | abrotman | pusakat: there isn't one for python .. for some stupid reason |
| 15:14.51 | alephant | LSorensen - I know - but the default keybindings annoy me in irssi :-b |
| 15:14.53 | Solet-deb | if i grep /dev/random how do i make it echo the output of /dev/random? |
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| 15:15.03 | LSorensen | alephant: I prefer them. and they are easier to change than in bitchx |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | alephant: so change the keybindings ? |
| 15:15.08 | alephant | abrotman, I've installed python2.4 |
| 15:15.15 | alephant | abrotman - no kidding :-) |
| 15:15.25 | abrotman | alephant: ls -l `which python` |
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| 15:16.21 | alephant | abrotman - /usr/bin/python is a symlink to python2.3; I've already got python2.4 installed but python-policy indicates that a "blessed" major revision of Python is used as default (i.e. symlink to /usr/bin/python) |
| 15:16.49 | alephant | so, aside from the brutal method of hand-symlinking (which will get hosed if python2.3 ever gets update), is there a "sanctioned" method? |
| 15:17.13 | abrotman | alephant: and if you remove python2.3 ? |
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| 15:17.44 | alephant | er... I've not tried that, but I expect it will want to remove all the pure "python" dependants as per my interpretation of python-policy |
| 15:17.48 | alephant | lemme give it a whirl though |
| 15:17.59 | abrotman | alephant: i thought installing 2.4 would update the symlink |
| 15:18.00 | alephant | yeah |
| 15:18.34 | alephant | it wants to remove mod-python, openoffice, xchat, etc. |
| 15:18.41 | abrotman | in sarge ? |
| 15:18.46 | abrotman | !depends mod-python sarge |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | ok .. what's it really called ? |
| 15:19.19 | abrotman | oh .. i see |
| 15:19.21 | alephant | libapache2-mod-python2.3 |
| 15:19.28 | alephant | abrotman, see http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-python.html |
| 15:19.33 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-python sarge |
| 15:19.36 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-python: depends on libapache2-mod-python2.3 (>= 3.1.3-3), python (>= 2.3), python (<< 2.4) |
| 15:19.43 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:19.52 | abrotman | that's brutally stupid |
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| 15:20.25 | fireba11 | hum ... now that sounds mighty stupid |
| 15:20.29 | alephant | Read the first section of that link, it explains that There Can Be Only One (but not what to do if you want a Different One) |
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| 15:21.22 | abrotman | alephant: and what's the purpose of all of this ? |
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| 15:21.34 | alephant | Perhaps I need to email the maintainer of libapache2-mod-python - the bug in question affects 2.3.4 > Python > 2.4.2 and BREAKS threads in (among other situations) mod_python >:-b |
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| 15:21.41 | micro | where are the kernel headers in sarge? |
| 15:21.46 | berzerka | hello guys. i cant log in as root via ssh, although i set PermitRootLogin to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. the server log says 'Failed password for root from 10.0.0.11 port 32895 ssh2', although i entered the correct password.. what could be the cause of this? |
| 15:21.51 | abrotman | alephant: you can certainly rebuild libapache2-mod-python |
| 15:21.58 | abrotman | micro: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 15:22.07 | alephant | If I wanted to do that I'd still be running Gentoo :-D |
| 15:22.09 | abrotman | berzerka: did you restart sshd ? |
| 15:22.11 | valdyn | micro: your kernel's headers the linux headers? |
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| 15:22.17 | valdyn | micro: your kernel's headers or the linux headers? |
| 15:22.17 | berzerka | abrotman: yep. |
| 15:22.24 | micro | kernels |
| 15:22.29 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-python etch |
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| 15:22.34 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-python: depends on libapache2-mod-python2.3 (>= 3.1.3-3), python (>= 2.3), python (<< 2.4) |
| 15:22.46 | valdyn | micro: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:22.47 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 15:22.49 | alephant | abrotman - actually, where the rubber meets the road I fail to care since my customer's systems are all RHEL4 which are conservatively immune (Python 2.3.4) |
| 15:22.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:22.50 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:22.51 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-python sid |
| 15:22.59 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-python: depends on libapache2-mod-python2.3 (>= 3.1.3-3), python (>= 2.3), python (<< 2.4) |
| 15:23.19 | abrotman | so all current versions of mod-python depend on python2.3 |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | or so it seems anyways |
| 15:23.24 | alephant | yup |
| 15:23.25 | kart_ | abrotman, use /msg dpkg please |
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| 15:23.38 | abrotman | kart_: i don't want to msg you |
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| 15:24.19 | alephant | "official" python is python2.3... it only make sense that mod_python (and probably others, python-gtk?) would depend on that version |
| 15:25.13 | abrotman | alephant: your recourse is to rebuild the package .. it's not that hard |
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| 15:25.37 | abrotman | alephant: or see if you can come up with a patch for python2.3 ? |
| 15:26.05 | alephant | abrotman - that shouldn't be hard, the diff is in Python CVS, linked from the SF bug tracker |
| 15:26.23 | abrotman | alephant: is there a bug filed against python2.3 ? |
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| 15:26.43 | alephant | abrotman: not in debian bts - I emailed the maintainer asking for advice whether to file against python2.3 or python2.4 |
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| 15:27.00 | ma3x | after you create an image file from MONDO on your disk |
| 15:27.07 | abrotman | alephant: file against the broken one .. and include the patch .. ask for it to be included in 3.1r1 if possible |
| 15:27.24 | ma3x | if a disaster happens, then do you have some boot disk or something? |
| 15:27.24 | alephant | abrotman: what would recompiling the package get me? I dont' actually care about python2.3, if I can tell "everything" to use python2.4 then I'm happy |
| 15:27.36 | ma3x | I mean will MONDO ask you to make you a bootable floppy or something like that? |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | alephant: aren't there binary/API/ABI differences between 2.3 and 2.4 ? .. will all things meant to work on 2.3 work on 2.4 ? |
| 15:28.05 | alephant | abrotman: that I don't know |
| 15:28.12 | berzerka | solved it, partially.. reset pw using passwd, now it works.. |
| 15:28.15 | abrotman | alephant: that's the 1,000,000$ question :) |
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| 15:28.27 | alephant | abrotman: er, actually IIRC integer division gives a "different" warning in 2.4 |
| 15:28.42 | alephant | abrotman: indeed :-o |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | alephant: and are things going to be hard linked to 2.3 ? |
| 15:29.07 | alephant | abrotman: probably, unless debian devs are less kludgy than others :-/ |
| 15:29.08 | abrotman | alephant: i mean .. you can always change that symlink .. but stuff may still call 2.3 directly .. or may not work with 2.4 |
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| 15:29.27 | micro | I still can't find where the kernel headers were placed |
| 15:29.43 | abrotman | /usr/src/ ? |
| 15:29.47 | Eulex | micro, dpkg -L packagename |
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| 15:30.21 | samuel | sup all |
| 15:30.27 | alephant | abrotman: so my course of action currently looks like: 1. wait for package maintainer to respond; 2. symlink python2.4 to python locally, and see whether it works; 3. fail to really care since everything works fine on the beta machines, the problem is only on my local dev workstation :-D |
| 15:30.38 | abrotman | alephant: i'd file the bug no matter what |
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| 15:30.58 | abrotman | alephant: and include the patch .. then if people want to patch thier local systems .. they can |
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| 15:31.10 | alephant | abrotman: yeah, I'm waiting for doko's response for a day or two |
| 15:31.18 | samuel | anyone know what dhcp package i should have? |
| 15:31.21 | abrotman | !maint python2.3 |
| 15:31.26 | samuel | what package i should be using? |
| 15:31.27 | dpkg | python2.3: Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> |
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| 15:31.40 | abrotman | is that the same mattias that comes in here ? |
| 15:31.44 | abrotman | err .. i can't spell |
| 15:31.50 | azeem | doko is one of the super-busy guys |
| 15:31.51 | abrotman | samuel: dhclient ? |
| 15:31.52 | Fraze | I'm desperate :((.. I'm using sarge, and some programs (like firefox & gaim) doesn't work, since pango can not open some fonts........ I've googled and searched everywhere i know.. and still couldn't find out :(( |
| 15:32.01 | azeem | abrotman: his nick is doko |
| 15:32.04 | abrotman | azeem: you do a fair bit of work with python ? |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | azeem: ah ok |
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| 15:32.10 | azeem | nah |
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| 15:32.15 | abrotman | azeem: just jack ? :) |
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| 15:32.20 | azeem | and pymol |
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| 15:32.39 | abrotman | Fraze: did you install any fonts? |
| 15:32.50 | Fraze | abrotman: I've installed OpenOffice 2 |
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| 15:33.48 | abrotman | someone fix jabber.org .. grrr |
| 15:33.52 | samuel | abrotman, you sure thats the name? cant find it with apt-cache |
| 15:34.00 | abrotman | samuel: name for what ? |
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| 15:34.11 | black_Nightmare | hey |
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| 15:34.19 | samuel | abrotman, the package name for dhclient? |
| 15:34.36 | abrotman | samuel: apt-cache search dhcp client |
| 15:34.38 | Fraze | So , nobody knows?.. what can I do? :(.. I'm really stuck.. |
| 15:35.04 | azeem | Fraze: how did you install OOo2? |
| 15:35.11 | azeem | Fraze: and did things work before that? |
| 15:35.24 | samuel | abrotman, thanks, but any idea what one to use? |
| 15:35.49 | samuel | preferably one easy to configure to listen on different interfaces? |
| 15:36.04 | alephant | hey, I'm outta here |
| 15:36.07 | alephant | abrotman: thanks for your input |
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| 15:36.10 | Fraze | azeem: The things worked great before. and after installing OOo2 (and removing 1.1) it stoped working. I did it with alien -i *.rpm , and dpkg -i *.deb |
| 15:36.21 | azeem | Fraze: ugh |
| 15:36.46 | azeem | Fraze: did you have to override something? |
| 15:36.54 | azeem | and did you install other packages except OOo2 along? |
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| 15:37.09 | azeem | Fraze: try to remove that OOo2 package, and install the backport from backports.org |
| 15:37.31 | Fraze | azeem: How can I remove OOo2 package? :( |
| 15:37.51 | azeem | Fraze: via apt-get or a frontend, like synaptic |
| 15:38.11 | Fraze | azeem: But i don't know the package name.. and I can't find it in aptitude |
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| 15:38.35 | azeem | Fraze: do you have the .rpm still around? |
| 15:38.48 | azeem | Fraze: or you could alien it again, and see what the name of the resulting .deb(s) is |
| 15:39.20 | Eulex | Fraze, apt-cache search... |
| 15:39.40 | Fraze | but it's not on my apt list.. it's from rpm's |
| 15:39.52 | licued2 | Okay, I have a question, if I have a Dual P3 server running apache with about 2GB memory , with SCSI drivers, how many users should each server be able to handle? I'm abotu to do some bench testing but I don't have anything to compare these benchmark tests to see what's 'normal' |
| 15:40.22 | antgel | licued2: depends |
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| 15:40.51 | antgel | Fraze: don't use rpms in debian |
| 15:41.04 | Fraze | antgel: why not? |
| 15:41.10 | PerfDave | licued2: That's an entirely meaningless question :) |
| 15:41.13 | Fraze | anyway I've uninstalled it.. what now? |
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| 15:41.53 | Fraze | it still doesn't work. |
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| 15:42.12 | licued2 | PerfDave how so? |
| 15:42.45 | antgel | Fraze: because it will lead to breakage and pain |
| 15:43.01 | PerfDave | licued2: Because there's a difference between, say, an Apache server serving flat HTML and an Apache server running Mediawiki, for starters. It's nigh-on impossible to say how many users it "should" handle, you'll just have to benchmark it. |
| 15:43.17 | pschmitt | Hi. I installed debian testing about a year ago. When I first booted up KDE, I was prompted to select default shortcuts from a predetermined scheme. At the time I chose "A redmon, washington-like scheme"... but now I want to switch back to a standard linux scheme... only I cant seem to find the right place to update my preferences. Any suggestions? |
| 15:43.25 | Eulex | Fraze, because they aren't debianized (they put stuff where they shouldn't), they were very probably compiled against libraries of different versions and you get no support if anything goes wrong. |
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| 15:43.40 | Zmanu | hi |
| 15:43.43 | Malagmyr | I created a new user and moved my .mozilla-thunderbird directory over to it. When launching thunderbird as the new user, I get an almost empty window with nothing useful in it. However, if I create a soft link from /home/oldusername to /home/newusername, thunderbird acts perfectly normal. Apparently, something in the .mozilla-thunderbird directory still points to /home/oldusername. How should I go about for fixing this? |
| 15:43.56 | Fraze | Eulex: Oh well.. |
| 15:44.02 | azeem | Fraze: maybe try to reinstall the pango library |
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| 15:44.28 | Zmanu | I want to know what mysql is install on my debian, but I don't know how to do that with apt ? |
| 15:44.30 | pschmitt | Malagmyr: Isn't there a way to export user data then, later, import the said data??? |
| 15:44.34 | Zmanu | I don't want to use aptitude |
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| 15:44.48 | azeem | Zmanu: apt-cache show <foo> |
| 15:44.49 | Malagmyr | pschmitt: I've been looking for that, but I can't find anything. |
| 15:45.10 | pschmitt | Zmanu: isn't there some "mysqll --version" command? |
| 15:45.27 | Zmanu | ok, thanks I gonna try |
| 15:45.28 | fireba11 | pschmitt: of course there is ^^ |
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| 15:45.47 | pschmitt | :) |
| 15:45.59 | antgel | Malagmyr: check the permissions |
| 15:46.21 | pschmitt | Anyone got ideas for me to update the default key-bindings in KDE??? |
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| 15:46.48 | Malagmyr | antgel: I thought that since a softlink is all it takes, the new user has all the permissions it needs? |
| 15:47.04 | Elive_user | hi quick question i want to setup some additional keycodes for keys such as my mute key etc. where is my default key map file?? |
| 15:48.55 | PerfDave | Malagmyr: you could grep within .mozilla-thunderbird for references to the old username / home directory? |
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| 15:57.40 | antgel | !test |
| 15:57.41 | dpkg | Sorry, antgel, I didn't get your test. |
| 15:57.59 | antgel | was it me, or was that nine minutes of silence on #debian? |
| 15:58.12 | PerfDave | antgel: It was you. |
| 15:58.16 | Ronin | most peace and quiet we've ever had i suspect |
| 15:58.28 | SpComb | Hmm, dpkg knows about caffeine |
| 15:58.33 | antgel | and i fucked it up :( |
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| 16:00.22 | Zmanu | I have a problem I remove mysql-client and mysql-server and I always have mysql |
| 16:00.30 | Zmanu | someone can explain to me ? |
| 16:00.41 | shadowcat | anybody know of a bandwidth meter app for linux? |
| 16:00.43 | syl-2 | hello! i forgot the name of this tiny-tiny debian/linux distro that fits on a single floppy |
| 16:00.50 | PerfDave | Zmanu: dpkg -l mysql\* |
| 16:00.56 | PerfDave | syl-2: iftop |
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| 16:01.02 | PerfDave | shadowcat: iftop |
| 16:01.07 | shadowcat | thanks |
| 16:01.30 | syl-2 | PerfDave: thx :) does it support fat32 mounting? |
| 16:01.37 | Eulex | syl-2, there is just one debian distro |
| 16:01.40 | PerfDave | syl-2: Sorry, that was intended for shadowcat |
| 16:01.53 | syl-2 | d'oh |
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| 16:02.10 | Zmanu | PerfDave: yes, I see what I have, but how uninstall it ? |
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| 16:02.34 | PerfDave | Zmanu: apt-get remove? |
| 16:02.45 | Zmanu | it say no program |
| 16:02.57 | syl-2 | then it must be some other distro on the floppy. |
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| 16:03.25 | PerfDave | Zmanu: "no program" is not an error message I've ever seen from apt-get :) |
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| 16:03.42 | Zmanu | PerfDave: example I have mysql-server-5 I do apt-get remove mysql-server-5 and it say Counldn't find package mysqm-server-5 |
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| 16:04.05 | PerfDave | Zmanu: What makes you think you have mysql-server-5? |
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| 16:05.28 | Zmanu | PerfDave: sorry, I think i see all files I have on my computer, but I understand that I have only mysql-common, so I do and that's ok |
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| 16:06.04 | seth | exit |
| 16:06.08 | seth | exit |
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| 16:06.14 | seth | exit |
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| 16:06.28 | Fox_1_ | seth write /exit |
| 16:07.00 | PerfDave | Zmanu: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
| 16:07.12 | Vibes | Hi! Is it possible to turn quota on on a raid1 device on sarge plz? |
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| 16:07.18 | Zmanu | PerfDave: I paste |
| 16:07.28 | Zmanu | rc mysql-common 5.0.16-0.dotde mysql database common files (e.g. /etc/mysql |
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| 16:07.55 | Zmanu | i have this, when I do apt-get remove mysql-common, I have couldn't find packages |
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| 16:08.30 | Malagmyr | How do I do s/foo/bar when foo is /foo and bar is /bar? s//foo//bar doesn't work, I assume. |
| 16:08.37 | phych0 | how do i compile my kernel with the older version of GCC again? |
| 16:08.44 | phych0 | i have both gcc 4.x and 3.x installed |
| 16:08.55 | petemc | Malagmyr: s#/foo#/bar# |
| 16:09.25 | PerfDave | Zmanu: Yes, that's because it's been removed already. |
| 16:09.30 | petemc | Malagmyr: otherwise, you use s/\/foo\/\bar |
| 16:09.53 | PerfDave | Zmanu: The "rc" means it's been removed. You need to read the output of dpkg -l more carefully. |
| 16:10.24 | Zmanu | I gonna read the man about dpkg |
| 16:10.53 | PerfDave | Zmanu: You don't need to read the manpage, the output from the command I mentioned is self-explanatory. |
| 16:10.54 | nix | could I get some recommendations on affordable external backup devices? LTO drives are $2k, and 35GB doesn't quite cut it. i used to get Onstream ADR drives but they're gone. any bright ideas, apart from using several external USB drives? |
| 16:10.58 | Malagmyr | petemc: you mean s/\/foo/\/bar ? |
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| 16:11.09 | petemc | Malagmyr: aye |
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| 16:11.22 | petemc | Malagmyr: but, the first answer i gave is much more readable |
| 16:11.34 | phych0 | bash: [1144: 2] tcsetattr: Bad file descriptor |
| 16:11.39 | phych0 | what the fuck |
| 16:11.41 | phych0 | anyone got any ideas? |
| 16:11.41 | phych0 | ;/ |
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| 16:12.16 | phych0 | ive already replaced the ram |
| 16:12.18 | Malagmyr | petemc: VIM doesn't like any of them :( I'm trying to replace all blah/home/oldusername/blah in some config files with blah/home/newusername/blah |
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| 16:12.34 | Lilldude10 | i put nvida drives on my computer |
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| 16:12.35 | Malagmyr | petemc: VIM says it can't find the patterns |
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| 16:12.37 | petemc | Malagmyr: :%s#/foo#/bar#g |
| 16:12.50 | Lilldude10 | it flased screen and says it cant fine em |
| 16:12.53 | Lilldude10 | what can i doo? |
| 16:13.34 | Malagmyr | petemc: ah. it liked that :D thanks |
| 16:13.43 | petemc | np |
| 16:14.52 | Zmanu | PerfDave: yes I read, and I understand |
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| 16:15.35 | fairway | is the pentium celeron cpu noticable slower than normal pentiums in notebooks= |
| 16:15.36 | fairway | ? |
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| 16:16.30 | PhilKC | yes |
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| 16:16.32 | goron | Where do I get Tor for sarge from? |
| 16:16.40 | fairway | how many % ? |
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| 16:16.47 | PerfDave | goron: http://tor.eff.org/ has Debian packages for Sarge. |
| 16:16.51 | PhilKC | fairway, lots |
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| 16:17.02 | fairway | thanks |
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| 16:17.14 | cusco | hi... |
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| 16:17.26 | cusco | Im using testing and I have a problem with hadns.debian.org ? |
| 16:17.27 | cusco | Failed to fetch http://debian.hands.com/debian/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 16:17.30 | cusco | Failed to fetch http://debian.hands.com/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 16:18.28 | jhaig | I'm having trouble with nfs. The /home partitions, mounted via an nfs share from a Sarge server has arbitrarily become read only, although 'mount' still says it is rw. Remounting doesn't have any effect. Can anyone help please? |
| 16:18.38 | cusco | this happens into all categories main, contrib and non-free ... |
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| 16:18.54 | petemc | jhaig: what does /proc/mounts say? |
| 16:19.03 | jhaig | I have recently done an apt-get upgrade, by the way. |
| 16:19.18 | phych0 | how do i compile kernel with old gcc! :@ |
| 16:19.30 | phych0 | ive searched all over google |
| 16:19.35 | phych0 | and cant find the answer anywhere |
| 16:19.41 | PerfDave | !wayc phych0 |
| 16:19.41 | dpkg | phych0: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 16:19.46 | phych0 | because.... |
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| 16:19.54 | phych0 | i dont want to use a pre-packaged kernel |
| 16:19.55 | phych0 | thats why |
| 16:20.00 | phych0 | i need stuff that aint in it |
| 16:20.01 | jhaig | petemc: 192.168.0.2:/home /home nfs rw,sync,v3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,udp,lock,addr=192.168.0.2 0 0 |
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| 16:21.34 | jhaig | Apart from apt-get upgrade, I don't think I have made any other significant changes recently. How can I find the list of packages that were installed this morning? There were quite a few and I cannot remember what they were. |
| 16:22.04 | valdyn | jhaig: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:22.20 | cusco | phych0: kernel-package is not a pre configured kernel |
| 16:22.36 | jhaig | valdyn: That file doesn't exist :-( |
| 16:22.59 | valdyn | jhaig: oh, you're using sarge? |
| 16:23.04 | jhaig | Yes |
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| 16:23.11 | valdyn | jhaig: security updates are listed on www.debian.org |
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| 16:25.05 | jhaig | So no one has any ideas why all my users (including root) have suddenly got no permissions to write to the read-write /home nfs partition? |
| 16:25.13 | |V\oNK | anyone know why the debian installes 2.6.8-2-386 and xandros installed 2.6.11-x1? |
| 16:25.14 | phych0 | cusco - thats no help to me whatsoever |
| 16:25.18 | phych0 | i know fine well how to compile a bloody kenrel |
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| 16:25.25 | phych0 | only problem im having is changing gcc version |
| 16:25.38 | liran | uhmm, how do i register to jabber? |
| 16:25.57 | mne | hi there ! anyone knows a cracker than can crask base64 encoded md5 hashes ? |
| 16:26.05 | goron | liran: You register with a specific server. |
| 16:26.08 | PerfDave | liran: You don't. You register to a specific jabber server which supports registration :) |
| 16:26.15 | cusco | can't you uninstall your current gcc and installa previous version one, phych0? |
| 16:26.23 | goron | liran: In Gaim >1.5.someversion, you can do it very easily. |
| 16:26.24 | liran | uhmm, right. no idea what to do now hehe |
| 16:26.26 | phych0 | no, thats too much of a pain in the arse |
| 16:26.28 | azeem | phych0: did you try export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4, or whichever you want? |
| 16:26.30 | liran | ok let me look it up a min |
| 16:26.31 | phych0 | and i want to keep 4.x in there also |
| 16:26.35 | phych0 | azeem - i ve done that |
| 16:26.39 | PerfDave | Crack an md5 hash? That'd be cool, I could grab an md5sum for a Debian CD and get a 640Mb ISO out of it :) |
| 16:26.40 | azeem | phych0: and KCC? |
| 16:26.41 | phych0 | dont i need something other than CC ? |
| 16:26.46 | phych0 | wtf is KCC? |
| 16:26.47 | azeem | not sure |
| 16:26.50 | azeem | eh, kernel CC? |
| 16:26.58 | azeem | really, I don't know what the variable is |
| 16:27.04 | phych0 | heh me neither |
| 16:27.10 | phych0 | there was a command on the dpkg bot that had it |
| 16:27.12 | phych0 | but i forget it now lol |
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| 16:27.27 | azeem | you can just override the /usr/bin/gcc temporarily as well, I guess |
| 16:27.33 | azeem | eh, +symlink |
| 16:27.37 | phych0 | didnt want to do that |
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| 16:28.08 | S4nD3r | Is possible to scan my LAN, and find IPs from another range ??? |
| 16:28.40 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: "scan" how? It's possible to have seperate logical IP networks on the same physical network. |
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| 16:29.08 | S4nD3r | I know that some users are setting up fast internet access, but they are using another IP range... |
| 16:29.16 | S4nD3r | Id like to discover this range |
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| 16:29.21 | cusco | S4nD3r: nmap -sP 192.168.*.* |
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| 16:29.35 | phych0 | s4nd3r - why not run ethereal |
| 16:29.38 | [c]knoppix | Hello, can anyone answer a question or two for me? |
| 16:29.39 | phych0 | and sniff the traffic |
| 16:29.56 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 16:29.58 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: If you run tcpdump as root, it'll show you any packet that reachest your machine. Not much use in a switched network though, you may want to try it on the firewall or similar. |
| 16:30.01 | elephantMan | etch = testing ? |
| 16:30.02 | StevenR | [c]knoppix: only if you ask them :) |
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| 16:30.07 | jair | guys i have a computer running with not problem but it does not have the swap image correctly set up. |
| 16:30.14 | PerfDave | elephantMan: Currently, yes |
| 16:30.33 | jair | I have the size already 290mb but I know I have to partition that first right? |
| 16:30.43 | jair | jelly, hello how are you doing today? |
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| 16:30.56 | [c]knoppix | Well, i currently have a HD knoppix install, which, from what i undertsand is not a good idea, and i'm start to agree, i want to install debain, but i have a few questions first, mainly, can i download debian from the net, and install over knoppix? |
| 16:31.11 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Yes. The Debian Installation Manual will help you :) |
| 16:31.20 | [c]knoppix | ok, how big is debian? |
| 16:31.23 | [c]knoppix | base install |
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| 16:31.26 | jhaig | OK, I fixed the nfs problem by rebooting the server - not a very satisfactory solution, but it worked. :-( |
| 16:31.30 | elephantMan | Strange, i can't install 'sendmail' with etch |
| 16:31.35 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: as big as you want it to be. I think the base install is ~200Mb |
| 16:31.45 | cusco | I'm having a little bit of a problem ... |
| 16:31.47 | cusco | Failed to fetch http://debian.hands.com/debian/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 16:31.51 | cusco | Failed to fetch http://debian.hands.com/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 16:31.58 | [c]knoppix | good, becasue knoppix is 3gigs, and wlel, on a 8gig HD, that isn't good. |
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| 16:32.11 | [c]knoppix | Hrm, where do i get started then? |
| 16:32.21 | [c]knoppix | I have never used linux before, so this is all new. |
| 16:32.22 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: http://www.debian.org/ will tell you everything you need to know |
| 16:32.26 | jhaig | [c]knoppix: I think knoppix is a lot more than the base Debian install. |
| 16:32.33 | [c]knoppix | It. |
| 16:32.36 | [c]knoppix | it is* |
| 16:32.52 | jhaig | [c]knoppix: Base install plus KDE plus lots else, I think. |
| 16:32.52 | cusco | [c]knoppix: try having a look at "getting debian" on the debian main page |
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| 16:33.27 | jair | guys I need some help in the set up of the swap memory of one desktop debian I have here. ;) |
| 16:33.36 | [c]knoppix | I want base install and KDE and all the drivers form knoppix, the rest i don't want, this a possiability? or will i have to get them all seprately? |
| 16:33.37 | jair | I have all the partitions done already, except the swap |
| 16:33.51 | jair | I know I have to fdsik /dev/freespace |
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| 16:34.32 | jair | and convert it swap, then i will need to use swapon right then add it to the fstab?? |
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| 16:35.35 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: You don't want to install software from Knoppix on a Debian system. You can install the base system and KDE in Debian. |
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| 16:36.17 | phych0 | someone must know the variables to use to compile kernel on gcc 3.x when both 3.x and 4.x are installed :@ |
| 16:36.18 | [c]knoppix | Ok. but does debian coem with any form of drivers? |
| 16:36.28 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: The "Desktop Environment" task in the Installer gives you both KDE and Gnome, so you'll want to not choose any tasks and install the kdebase and x-window-system-core packages by hand with apt-get. |
| 16:36.43 | [c]knoppix | atleast network drivers. |
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| 16:36.49 | [c]knoppix | apt-get? |
| 16:36.52 | jair | [c]knoppix, yes they come with the network and other drivers |
| 16:36.56 | [c]knoppix | ok. |
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| 16:37.10 | [c]knoppix | Hrm, i don't have a cd recorder. |
| 16:37.12 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Both Debian and Knoppix will provide you with a Linux kernel which contains many drivers. |
| 16:37.19 | jair | [c]knoppix, don't needed |
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| 16:37.20 | [c]knoppix | it says i have to have one for the network installation |
| 16:37.39 | jair | [c]knoppix, your computer have a usb? or floppy? |
| 16:37.47 | [c]knoppix | floppy, yes. |
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| 16:37.56 | [c]knoppix | and usb |
| 16:38.00 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: The Installation Manual will tell you how to install from floppies, USB or netboot, though you're better off getting hold of a CD if you're a newcomer to Linux. |
| 16:38.05 | jair | [c]knoppix, one sec try this: |
| 16:38.06 | beleys | Poy |
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| 16:38.26 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: How did you get your Knoppix CD? |
| 16:38.33 | [c]knoppix | internet |
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| 16:38.37 | [c]knoppix | mothers cd burner |
| 16:38.40 | [c]knoppix | lol |
| 16:38.50 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Can you not use your mother's CD burner to burn Debian CDs? |
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| 16:38.59 | [c]knoppix | sure, just not today though, heh |
| 16:39.00 | jair | [c]knoppix, check this http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2514612 |
| 16:39.06 | [c]knoppix | i can tomorrow |
| 16:39.27 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Then it's probably best to wait until tomorrow, using a CD is the best and easiest way to install Debian. |
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| 16:39.34 | jair | [c]knoppix, download the boot.img root.img and net-drivers.img |
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| 16:40.13 | jair | [c]knoppix, That is all you need and make sure you are connected to a "working" internet connection |
| 16:40.26 | [c]knoppix | i will just wait till tomorrow |
| 16:40.39 | [c]knoppix | i dnot' want to put myself in a situation where i'm farked. |
| 16:40.42 | jair | [c]knoppix, is your computer old? |
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| 16:40.55 | [c]knoppix | heh, 2000 |
| 16:41.00 | [c]knoppix | is the year i bought it. |
| 16:41.14 | jbroome | bah that's fine |
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| 16:41.28 | jair | [c]knoppix, ohh ok if you have a good bios that allows you boot from usb media you can use a usb flashdrive |
| 16:41.34 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Installing from CD has better hardwaare support than installing from floppies, so it's a better idea to use the CD where possible. Read the Installation MAnual today though, and see how it goes :) |
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| 16:42.01 | [c]knoppix | So, debian comes with KDE? |
| 16:42.15 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Only if you install it :) |
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| 16:42.30 | PerfDave | Debian doesn't "come with" very much by default, which is good :) |
| 16:42.31 | [c]knoppix | Well, i haven't grasped how to install stuff on linux yet. |
| 16:42.49 | jair | [c]knoppix, what PerfDave told you is the true, but you can try with the floppies, if work or boot then later you can use apt-get to get newer kernel, kde, xfce, gnome anything |
| 16:42.59 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: With Debian, you just use apt (the Advanced Package Tool). The documentation on http://www.debian.org/ will talk you through it. |
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| 16:43.01 | bobw | anyone know how i can print the date in a numeric form, im trying to back up files using `date` as the file extension |
| 16:43.25 | PerfDave | bobw: man date |
| 16:43.37 | goron | Are there any plans for letting Apt support binary diffs? |
| 16:43.49 | [c]knoppix | Heh, Loling at trying to find things on debian.org is like going to the library of congress trying to find a memo from 1782 |
| 16:43.53 | [c]knoppix | looking* |
| 16:44.02 | jair | PerfDave, I am trying to remember how to set up the swap memory once the distro was install and everything else is working. |
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| 16:44.06 | cusco | broken dependencies on sendmail, testing :( |
| 16:44.07 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.09 | [c]knoppix | To much to look at. |
| 16:44.10 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.20 | jair | PerfDave, do you have expereince using swapon and ftab stuff for the swap? |
| 16:44.22 | Lilldude10 | cant get ne nvida drivers to load |
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| 16:44.35 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Uhm, there's a "documentation" link on the front page, which takes you to the documentation :) |
| 16:44.44 | PerfDave | jair: Why are you asking me this? No, I don't really. |
| 16:44.48 | PerfDave | Lilldude10: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:44.51 | [c]knoppix | Ok, and 1 last question, Debian will fit onto 1 cdrw? |
| 16:44.52 | Lilldude10 | but another live getx to load what does that mean? |
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| 16:45.00 | jair | PerfDave, ok thanks |
| 16:45.13 | [c]knoppix | I noticed the wbesite mentioend a cd set :/ |
| 16:45.26 | thingfish | it's 14 in all, but you only need the netinstall cd. |
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| 16:45.36 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Yes, you can download either the netinstall image (120Mb) and install everything else over the 'net, or the first full CD (640Mb) and save yourself a bit of time getting your system up and running, at the expense of a longer download time. |
| 16:45.36 | _Roey | abrotman: hi |
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| 16:45.49 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: The installation options are outlined in the Installation Manual :) |
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| 16:46.05 | [c]knoppix | Well, i think i'll get the 640MB |
| 16:46.12 | [c]knoppix | if i can find it |
| 16:46.15 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Good choice, I always recommend it. |
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| 16:46.27 | jair | abrotman, I want to set up the swap memory in a system running already linux but have a free space of 290MB that suppouse to be use for swap. |
| 16:46.36 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: There's a big link right at the top of www.debian.org called "obtain a copy" :) |
| 16:46.50 | jair | abrotman, so i think I will need swapon and partition the free space then fstab |
| 16:46.53 | [c]knoppix | which leads to a forest of links. |
| 16:46.53 | erc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.01 | Roey | abrotman, dondelelcaro, eeyore-: I figured out the problem. See, this whole time, I was doing 'fakeroot make-kpkg binary' for every attempt to compile a kernel. It ended up not compiling anything. So I just compiled by hand and now the system boots. Do I have to run a 'clean' between kernel compiles with make-kpkg? |
| 16:47.07 | jair | abrotman, but I am not sure about what to do first |
| 16:47.20 | sparr | I am looking for a good program for viewing text files. Not editing, viewing. I dont need or want a cursor in my text. I do want precise pagination and big anti-aliased fonts. Automatic scrolling would be nice. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:47.28 | Zap-W | how to force installation of a package without a dependency |
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| 16:47.52 | PerfDave | Zap-W: Generally, you don't. What are you actually trying to achieve? |
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| 16:48.13 | phych0 | /msg dpkg listkeys |
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| 16:48.15 | phych0 | oops |
| 16:48.22 | phych0 | msg dpkg listvals |
| 16:48.24 | phych0 | ffs |
| 16:48.25 | shadewind | anyone who knows a good network management tools that supports SNMP for linux? |
| 16:48.29 | Ronin | keep trying phych0 :) |
| 16:48.29 | Zap-W | PerfDave: ........ it's a xlibmesa-gl it will overwrite the nvidia libs |
| 16:48.32 | phych0 | haha |
| 16:48.46 | Zap-W | PerfDave: the nvidia-glx libs in sarge are outdated |
| 16:48.54 | phych0 | still cant find what im looking for |
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| 16:49.03 | phych0 | ;/ |
| 16:49.05 | PerfDave | Zap-W: For help installing nvidia libraries, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:49.08 | phych0 | its not called 'kernel' in the bot |
| 16:49.09 | phych0 | heh |
| 16:49.16 | [c]knoppix | what is the latest version od the 640MB disc? |
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| 16:49.21 | Zap-W | PerfDave: how do i force without dependency |
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| 16:49.31 | PerfDave | Zap-W: You don't. |
| 16:49.51 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: 3.1r0a |
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| 16:50.04 | Lilldude10 | could debian be so curupt that it cant see x |
| 16:50.11 | valdyn | Zap-W: which package exactly is overwriting what? |
| 16:50.16 | Roey | valdyn: heya |
| 16:50.27 | valdyn | !hi |
| 16:50.28 | dpkg | hello, valdyn |
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| 16:50.36 | PerfDave | Lilldude10: Not unless you've done something horrible to it, like using the nvidia installer script from nvidia's website :) |
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| 16:51.00 | Zap-W | bananas , making my life harder |
| 16:51.32 | phych0 | eer... |
| 16:51.35 | PhilKC | yeah, those damn troublesome fruit |
| 16:51.40 | cusco | or sweeter! |
| 16:51.44 | cusco | sweater |
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| 16:51.52 | phych0 | kp mantra didnt work |
| 16:51.56 | phych0 | it didnt tell me the gcc version |
| 16:51.56 | phych0 | ;/ |
| 16:51.58 | phych0 | to use |
| 16:52.00 | phych0 | and how to use it |
| 16:52.03 | [c]knoppix | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/alpha/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-alpha-binary-1.iso <--is that what i need? |
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| 16:52.21 | valdyn | [c]knoppix: your CPU is an alpha ? |
| 16:52.22 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: If you're running on an Alpha machine, yes. I suspect you're probably running on i386 though ;) |
| 16:52.24 | Roey | valdyn: listen, I got this figured out. |
| 16:52.25 | Roey | finally. |
| 16:52.30 | [c]knoppix | what is an alpha? |
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| 16:52.50 | Ronin | then id say you dont need the alpha image |
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| 16:53.04 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: It's a CPU chip made by DEC, used in fairly big (and fairly old, I don't think they're used any more) server machines. |
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| 16:53.19 | jair | anyone here knows about a guide on the internet of how to work with the partitioning of a swap partition on debian? |
| 16:53.20 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: What CPU do you have in your computer? Pentium IV? Athlon? amd64? |
| 16:53.23 | [c]knoppix | well, what do i need then? |
| 16:53.26 | [c]knoppix | celeron |
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| 16:53.32 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Then you want i386 |
| 16:53.43 | [c]knoppix | the first iso is enough? |
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| 16:53.59 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Yes, as you'd know if you read the Installation Manual :) |
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| 16:54.10 | jbroome | rtfm pwnage |
| 16:54.11 | Lilldude10 | cant see why its not seeing x then |
| 16:54.14 | *** part/#debian eipHliBau (i=Sohbetci@adsl196-6-1-206-196.adsl196-1.iam.net.ma) |
| 16:54.15 | PerfDave | And as we've explained to you several times. |
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| 16:54.22 | valdyn | Roey: you dont have to run a clean between runs, only if you change the kernel configuration |
| 16:54.24 | Lilldude10 | ccause on live cd x runs fine |
| 16:54.28 | [c]knoppix | where is the installation manual?..i didn't see one. |
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| 16:54.42 | myC|Freedom | Hello there |
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| 16:54.58 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: http://www.debian.org/ has a link on the front page for it, right next to the link for obtaining Debian. It also has a link to it underneath the word "documentation" on the sidebar. |
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| 16:55.37 | myC|Freedom | May anyone tell my how to install a ftp server ? german would be fine ;) |
| 16:55.48 | PerfDave | !de |
| 16:55.48 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 16:55.49 | Zap-W | bahh |
| 16:56.09 | [c]knoppix | there is no i386 documentation. |
| 16:56.18 | Zap-W | that howto dosent show how to make debian packages out of the official nvidia drivers |
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| 16:56.36 | Roey | valdyn: ahhh, see, I did. |
| 16:56.43 | Roey | valdyn: and I forgot to do cleans. |
| 16:56.52 | Ronin | sure there is [c]knoppix |
| 16:57.03 | Roey | valdyn: thansk btw |
| 16:57.05 | valdyn | Roey: for probably most changes it will still work flawless, but there's no guarantee |
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| 16:57.08 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Intel x86 is i386 |
| 16:57.14 | [c]knoppix | oh |
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| 16:57.34 | Roey | valdyn: well... for all the work I put into making sure that the scsi drivers got compiled >into< the kernel, it turned out that they were being left as modules. |
| 16:57.41 | Roey | valdyn: or just not being compiled at all. |
| 16:57.56 | valdyn | Roey: that might be because you didnt 'clean' |
| 16:58.12 | Roey | valdyn: see, I checked the timestamp of arch/i386/boot/vmLinuz and /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.14.3 and saw that they were both from Dec. 2 |
| 16:58.17 | Roey | valdyn: yes exactly. |
| 16:58.24 | NaRF|irc | can anyone tell me how to switch off this new "Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" notice of apt-get or set the default-answer to be "Y"? |
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| 16:58.46 | valdyn | !apt-secure |
| 16:58.46 | dpkg | i heard apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
| 16:58.51 | valdyn | NaRF|irc: ^^^ |
| 17:00.25 | NaRF|irc | thx valdyn, i haven't used debian for some time now, so this gpg-verification is an unknown feature for me :) |
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| 17:03.42 | SerajewelKS | i tried using 'chvt 2' remotely to switch to VT2 on my box, and Xorg just jumped to use ~100% cpu, and chvt is hanging. wtf is going on? |
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| 17:03.54 | The_Ball | does anybody know of software that will take multiple snapshots of a video file and make a bigger picture showing all these images, so it's possible to get an idea of what a video contains without viewing the video? or does anybody know what this process is called? |
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| 17:06.17 | chino | there is no apt-get package for majordomo ? |
| 17:06.28 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 17:06.40 | chino | i cant find it |
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| 17:07.09 | chino | does anyone know how to turn back on keybaord repeat |
| 17:07.44 | abrotman | Roey: yes you do |
| 17:08.02 | Roey | yes I what? |
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| 17:08.19 | SerajewelKS | grr |
| 17:08.28 | SerajewelKS | IMO, X.org is plenty more unstable than XFree... |
| 17:08.42 | yacc | Hi! Where can I get a libpq-dev for postgresql-8.0? |
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| 17:08.51 | FarrisG | doesn't anyone know the syntax in vim for adding some string to the beginning of each line? |
| 17:08.57 | bartden | how can i create a tar file from a dir |
| 17:09.11 | yacc | FarrisG: 1,$s/^/SOMESTRING/ |
| 17:09.11 | SerajewelKS | FarrisG: yeah, vaugely |
| 17:09.24 | NaRF|irc | tar -cvf blub.tar blub/ |
| 17:09.26 | SlayerXP | bartden: "info tar" |
| 17:09.32 | SerajewelKS | yacc: yeah or that.. i was gonna do the CTRL+I or whatever thing |
| 17:09.37 | yacc | 1,$ (first till last line) |
| 17:09.38 | FarrisG | yacc: Thanks |
| 17:09.41 | yacc | s search |
| 17:09.49 | NaRF|irc | bartden, tar -cvf blub.tar blub/ |
| 17:09.51 | abrotman | Roey: make clean |
| 17:10.16 | yacc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.26 | SerajewelKS | damnit, why does X.org have to crash while dvdrip is running |
| 17:10.29 | yacc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.36 | yacc | Hi! Where can I get a libpq-dev for postgresql-8.0? |
| 17:10.46 | SerajewelKS | !tell yacc about repeat |
| 17:10.56 | Loof | Anyone know if there is an unthreaded (threading disabled) version of the perl dist/package? |
| 17:11.56 | yacc | SerajewelKS: Still not funny that postgresql-server-dev-8.0 includes a dependency on libpq-dev which happens to be 8.1 specific. |
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| 17:12.15 | yacc | I'd even go so far to call it a bug :( |
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| 17:12.42 | Roey | abrotman: :) thanks |
| 17:12.50 | Roey | abrotman: man I'm sooo happy now. |
| 17:12.58 | Roey | abrotman: now I can go on with the installation. |
| 17:12.59 | yacc | How does one file bugs against a package? |
| 17:13.02 | SerajewelKS | yacc: i don't know the answer, i don't use pgsql. |
| 17:13.07 | abrotman | Roey: i'd try again with make-kpkg .. just to see if it can be made to work |
| 17:13.08 | SerajewelKS | yacc: reportbug |
| 17:13.11 | abrotman | yacc: reportbut |
| 17:13.12 | abrotman | bug |
| 17:13.14 | jair | it is a specific package in the apt server to install the educational and games stuff on debian? |
| 17:13.31 | Roey | abrotman: maybe I'll try that on the othe rserver. |
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| 17:13.32 | Roey | abrotman: once I get this one to work |
| 17:13.38 | Roey | abrotman: that said I do like make-kpkg. |
| 17:13.43 | Roey | it's nice to be able to uninstall a kernel. |
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| 17:14.32 | [c]knoppix | can debian be booted from the cd? |
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| 17:14.37 | abrotman | Roey: it would be nice .. you could ideally transfer the kernel between identical machines etc |
| 17:15.01 | SerajewelKS | i just had to kill a misbehaving Xorg, so i restarted with kdm. can i export the kdm login screen with x11vnc, and if so how would i do it? |
| 17:15.10 | Ronin | [c]knoppix: booted from cd? you mean a live distro like knoppix? |
| 17:15.11 | abrotman | [c]knoppix: like a live CD .. or the installer ? |
| 17:15.19 | [c]knoppix | the installer |
| 17:15.28 | [c]knoppix | i plan to erase all partitons and reformat |
| 17:15.33 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 17:15.34 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:16.01 | Roey | abrotman: yes |
| 17:16.09 | abrotman | carry on |
| 17:16.10 | Roey | abrotman: iwthout need to recompile it from a common .config |
| 17:16.13 | abrotman | !food |
| 17:16.13 | dpkg | from memory, food is "any substance that can be metabolized by an organism to give energy and build tissue," according to WordNet 2.0. Electricity for humans. |
| 17:16.16 | Roey | abrotman: I think I'll follow your advice then. |
| 17:16.17 | [c]knoppix | ? |
| 17:16.24 | abrotman | !d-i [c]knoppix |
| 17:16.24 | dpkg | [c]knoppix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:17.01 | thingfish | [c]knoppix: you're getting the first CD out of the set, right? Burn it as an image and then reboot to it. |
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| 17:17.23 | [c]knoppix | oh, it will boot then? |
| 17:17.26 | [c]knoppix | ok. |
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| 17:17.40 | thingfish | [c]knoppix: yes. and if you want a 2.6 kernel, do linux26 at the prompt. |
| 17:17.56 | benovic | Q: is geexbox a debian-based thing? |
| 17:17.58 | [c]knoppix | does it come with partition software? |
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| 17:18.20 | Ronin | [c]knoppix: yes |
| 17:18.26 | thingfish | [c]knoppix: the installer has a partitioning section, yes. |
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| 17:18.50 | Ronin | [c]knoppix: perhaps some time on www.debian.org is in order for you? |
| 17:18.55 | [c]knoppix | I asume the CD will give instructions for all these stuff? |
| 17:19.03 | [c]knoppix | i have been on there all day |
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| 17:19.57 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: You've been there all day, and you still haven't read the Installation Manual. |
| 17:20.09 | thingfish | [c]knoppix: you really should be reading the install guide. The install doesn't take a rocket scientist - you'll figure it all out. |
| 17:20.12 | Ronin | then you should know the answers to these questions allready [c]knoppix |
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| 17:20.35 | [c]knoppix | the installation manual is bigger then a novel. no, i haven't read it all. |
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| 17:21.00 | lookz | hi, what do I do to have xcomposite transparency visible on screen snapshots? |
| 17:21.08 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Well, you've got all night to read it, since you can't burn the CD until tomorrow :) |
| 17:22.14 | ma3x | hey |
| 17:22.21 | ma3x | anyone knows about MONDO? |
| 17:22.31 | ma3x | nobody? |
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| 17:22.57 | the_g0d | ma3x: what is to know about ? |
| 17:22.59 | Ronin | ma3x: did yo uactualy wait a whole 10 seconds between asking? |
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| 17:23.16 | predius_ | !info mondo sid |
| 17:23.20 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.04-7 (sid), Packaged size: 467 kB, Installed size: 1336 kB |
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| 17:23.31 | predius_ | that? |
| 17:23.43 | ma3x | what i wanna know is : when you boot from the floppy disk...... will it load drivers for my external USB Mass Storage HDD |
| 17:24.41 | azeem | ma3x: the mondo boot floppy, you mean? |
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| 17:25.03 | ma3x | azeem, YEah |
| 17:25.10 | azeem | ah |
| 17:25.12 | azeem | no idea, sorry |
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| 17:25.26 | predius_ | ma3x: it should contain usb drivers, I guess. |
| 17:25.35 | predius_ | usbstorage. |
| 17:25.40 | ma3x | anyone who knows for sure? |
| 17:25.41 | predius_ | why don't you try? |
| 17:26.03 | ma3x | im to lazy to reboot |
| 17:26.10 | the_g0d | lol |
| 17:26.18 | ma3x | what are you laughin at! |
| 17:26.31 | PerfDave | predius_: Well, Debian's floppy kernels don't contain usb-storage, because the USB stack is too big for a floppy. |
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| 17:26.41 | ma3x | i don't care for the uptime, but dont wanna reboot |
| 17:26.46 | ma3x | just for the sake of not wanting to |
| 17:27.11 | ma3x | PerfDave, so the Mondo doesn't have any drivers for it, huh!? |
| 17:27.19 | PerfDave | ma3x: I didn't say that. |
| 17:27.25 | Roey | is it possible to downgrade to Sarge from Etch? |
| 17:27.33 | PerfDave | Roey: Only by reinstalling. |
| 17:27.36 | Roey | dah! |
| 17:27.37 | Roey | ok |
| 17:27.38 | predius_ | Roey: no |
| 17:27.46 | Roey | thanks. |
| 17:28.24 | yacc | anyone knows if postgresql-8.0 server upgrade to postgresql-8.1 is safe or painful? |
| 17:28.59 | ma3x | so what do you people think? |
| 17:29.29 | ma3x | the mondo boot floppy disk will enable me to access my USB Drive or not? |
| 17:29.48 | ma3x | ah think what you want |
| 17:29.51 | PerfDave | ma3x: How the hell should we know? Try asking #mondo or something? |
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| 17:30.23 | ma3x | well I thought you guys backup with mondo and know this stuff |
| 17:30.46 | PerfDave | ma3x: It's pretty obvious that nobody here knows the answer to your question. |
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| 17:31.08 | yacc | ma3x: This #debian. Asking about derived distro won't get you an answer. Critizing Debian won't get you anywhere here either. ;) |
| 17:31.29 | ma3x | yacc, think about what you saying man |
| 17:31.33 | ma3x | derived distro? |
| 17:31.42 | ma3x | Critisizing debian? |
| 17:31.45 | yacc | What's mondo? |
| 17:31.45 | ma3x | I am not! |
| 17:31.47 | ma3x | i like debian |
| 17:31.52 | ma3x | !info mondo sid |
| 17:31.56 | ma3x | !mondo |
| 17:31.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, mondo is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
| 17:31.56 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.04-7 (sid), Packaged size: 467 kB, Installed size: 1336 kB |
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| 17:32.59 | yacc | ma3x: I opposed the move from Debian to Ubuntu at the company, but getting stuff compiled is really easier on Ubuntu :( |
| 17:33.08 | arpa- | is there a way to give premission to a user to write a file, but not to delete it? |
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| 17:34.01 | ma3x | yacc, leave ubuntu alone |
| 17:34.02 | Greatred | arpa-, deleting a file needs write permission on the directory it is in (iirc) |
| 17:34.06 | ma3x | imposters |
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| 17:34.39 | arpa- | Greatred: but is there a way of letting users the write premissions but taking away their delete premission? |
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| 17:35.18 | cahoot | arpa-: look at chattr |
| 17:35.19 | Greatred | arpa-, to create files in the directory, but not to delete files belonging to someone else (would that do?) |
| 17:35.44 | arpa- | Greatred: no, i need the same user to be able to write a file but not delete it |
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| 17:35.54 | Woody^working | What extensionals packages do I need for converting mp3 into ogg with oggenc ? |
| 17:35.58 | phaedral | hola all |
| 17:36.19 | Greatred | arpa-, Hmm... can't say i can think of a trivial way of doing that |
| 17:36.22 | PerfDave | Woody^working: Why do you want to do that? You will lose quality as they're both lossy codecs. It's better to encode to Vorbis directly from the original rouce. |
| 17:36.39 | PerfDave | arpa-: You may be able to do it with filesystem ACLs if your filesystem supports them. |
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| 17:37.11 | Woody^working | Perf: I don`t have the originol soures, that is the problem |
| 17:37.18 | Lilldude10 | are the mx 400 drivers for ajp cause it wont work on my pci |
| 17:37.19 | phaedral | i've been using abcde with defaults, but now i need to rip a better quality mp3; clues or suggestions? |
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| 17:37.31 | phaedral | seems like there's loads of options, but i'm not a cli master... |
| 17:37.34 | yacc | ma3x: Well they at least had no broken packages for postgresql ;) |
| 17:37.35 | PerfDave | phaedral: Vorbis! :) |
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| 17:37.55 | m4thm4n | arpa- is chattr +a what you want? |
| 17:38.06 | phaedral | PerfDave: they guy specifically asked for mp3; maybe i should write back and ask if he can do vorbis... |
| 17:38.13 | yacc | ma3x It was not completely trivial to find all needed packages, but in Debian I've got packages with broken dependencies. |
| 17:38.21 | arpa- | i think it's chattr +u |
| 17:38.22 | PerfDave | phaedral: More likely write back and tell him that he can do vorbis *g* |
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| 17:38.40 | chino | if i want to tell checkinstall what commands to run i just put them at the end of the command line right ? |
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| 17:38.44 | PerfDave | yacc: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 17:38.57 | valdyn | chino: right |
| 17:39.02 | loopdee | is there a way to move free space from hda1 to hda2 ? |
| 17:39.02 | Eulex | Woody^working, the man page doesn't mention anything about that it it's able to decode an mp3, so I assume it can't... you'd have to decode to wav, then encode to ogg |
| 17:39.09 | phaedral | PerfDave: grin right back atcha; that'd surely be my preference anyway |
| 17:39.13 | chino | checkinstall 'make install && make install-wrapper' |
| 17:39.14 | chino | ? |
| 17:39.15 | Eulex | loopdee, "move free space"? |
| 17:39.18 | phaedral | staying with ogg |
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| 17:39.34 | m4thm4n | arpa- +u means you can undelete it, +a means only append. |
| 17:39.35 | jbroome | loopdee: can you dig half a hole? |
| 17:39.37 | Woody^working | Eulex: Maybe oggenc doesn`t at all read mp3 ? |
| 17:39.37 | sniff | anybody else having problems with latest 2.6 kernels with bt8x8 cards with bad tv image quality? composite seems fine but tv is choppy |
| 17:39.54 | loopdee | yes heh |
| 17:39.54 | chino | valdyn: did i do that right ? it seems to be givign me an error |
| 17:39.55 | Eulex | Woody^working, doesn't seem like that |
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| 17:40.07 | SlayerXP | Eulex: converting an mp3 to ogg is just plain stupid |
| 17:40.09 | arpa- | m4thm4n: you're right, thanks :) |
| 17:40.15 | PerfDave | I'm sure that there's an mp3 -> vorbis converter script available in Debian anyway. |
| 17:40.27 | Woody^working | Eulex: I will try soundconverter |
| 17:40.31 | PerfDave | phaedral: About the only situation in which people can't handle Vorbis is if they've got an iPod, in which case they deserve everything they get *g* |
| 17:40.35 | Eulex | SlayerXP, yep, I'm not gonna do it. it was Woody^working who was asking. |
| 17:40.36 | loopdee | i guess can i resize partitions? |
| 17:40.46 | SlayerXP | Eulex: err misparse then, sorry. |
| 17:40.49 | valdyn | chino: you probably should run these 2 things seperately |
| 17:41.07 | chino | valdyn: i am im using && |
| 17:41.10 | chino | i want to make a nice deb |
| 17:41.18 | valdyn | chino: chino 'install' usually gets everything, not in your case? |
| 17:41.22 | Eulex | phaedral, there are ways to make abcde pass any options you want to lame. see the man page. |
| 17:41.26 | PerfDave | chino: checkinstall doesn't make "nice" debs *g* |
| 17:41.31 | chino | valdyn: idk im installing majordomo |
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| 17:41.41 | PerfDave | Woody^working: apt-get install mp32ogg |
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| 17:42.13 | caphuso | "To attempt to do what I'm currently doing you would have to be completely insane like me. It's a total nightmare. If I were Catholic I'd be hoping this all counts as pennance for my past sins, and gets me out of 100 million years of Purgatory or so." -- lwall, about his perl5-to-perl5 translator |
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| 17:42.18 | cusco | hi... |
| 17:42.20 | valdyn | chino: read the docs to majordomo, checkinstall make install mightget all you want |
| 17:42.26 | phaedral | Eulex: don't have lame, but that might be the route to take |
| 17:42.34 | yacc | How to get apt-get to ignore an unmet dependeny? I mean one unmeet dependency in KDE blocks any changes via apt :( |
| 17:42.35 | chino | valdyn: no im doing it right now it needs two operations |
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| 17:42.58 | PerfDave | yacc: Generally, if you have to try and break dependencies, you're doing something wrong |
| 17:42.58 | stew | yacc: you don't want to ignore unmet dependencies |
| 17:42.58 | loopdee | !parted |
| 17:42.58 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 17:43.01 | Eulex | phaedral, how are you then encoding mp3's? :) |
| 17:43.16 | phaedral | that's the point; i've been doing ogg as default and been quite happy |
| 17:43.23 | cusco | I understand that /etc/inittab defines the default init... which init would not start my graphical interface? as I might want to have the console for some time before starting X |
| 17:43.28 | stew | yacc: what exactly are you trying to do and what error are you getting? |
| 17:43.30 | phaedral | is it glame that i'll be getting in a clean sarge setup? |
| 17:43.33 | chino | do you guys use majordomo ? |
| 17:43.37 | Mr_Rock | hi, i have a question, when i download icons for my desktop, where do i have to put them??? |
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| 17:43.42 | PerfDave | chino: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 17:43.46 | PerfDave | Whoops |
| 17:43.49 | PerfDave | cusco: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:44.02 | stew | cusco: all runlevels are treated the same by default in debian until you make them different |
| 17:44.10 | chino | ok i have one problem though i have no idea how to approach here |
| 17:44.24 | Eulex | phaedral, umh, why switch from ogg? only reason I can see is if you want to transfer your music to a device that can't play mp3... |
| 17:44.46 | oKtosiTe | anyone know a livecd with a built-in ftp server? |
| 17:44.51 | Duelist | Eulex: you mean that can't play ogg? |
| 17:44.51 | Mr_Rock | when i download icons for my desktop, where do i have to put them??? |
| 17:44.53 | phaedral | Eulex: gent i was sending the file to specified mp3, but he may have assumed i don't do ogg |
| 17:44.54 | PerfDave | Eulex: So you can have a wider audience? |
| 17:45.15 | Eulex | Duelist, of course |
| 17:45.26 | cusco | PerfDave: that would stop me from startking gdm fr instance, no? |
| 17:45.32 | Eulex | phaedral, ah, ok |
| 17:45.33 | PerfDave | cusco: Yes |
| 17:45.42 | Eulex | PerfDave, what? |
| 17:45.47 | Duelist | some music sounds like shit in MP3 |
| 17:45.48 | cusco | but I would want to start it later on manually... |
| 17:45.57 | |V\oNK | ican someone gimme a little guidance.. im trying to find out what is starting portmap @ boot, is there anything other then the /rc#.d/s that will start it? |
| 17:45.57 | stew | cusco: is it your intention to never start a dm by default or to have separate runlevels some which start the dm and some which dont? |
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| 17:46.06 | Duelist | and due to patents some might not be able to use MPEG layer 3 audio |
| 17:46.07 | PerfDave | Eulex: Converting from mp3 to ogg is good, because more people can listen to Vorbis than can to MP3 |
| 17:46.14 | valdyn | chino: ok.. your command should work in principle, what's the error you are getting? |
| 17:46.18 | azeem | Duelist: that rather depends on the MP3 encoder, there are various out there which are not all equally good |
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| 17:46.34 | cusco | stew: that would be the first... |
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| 17:47.06 | cusco | stew: but defining a init runlevel which doesn't start a dm by default would do the trick as wel.. |
| 17:47.22 | PerfDave | cusco: Dicking around with runlevels is rarely a good idea. |
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| 17:47.47 | chino | valdyn: dont worry about it |
| 17:47.59 | Duelist | PerfDave: transcoding is not, however, unless the original wav/CD no longer exists |
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| 17:48.12 | stew | cusco: use update-rc.d or rcconf to make gdm not start |
| 17:48.32 | arpa- | where can i find kernel security patches for the Linux kernel ptrace/kmod flaw? (2.4) |
| 17:48.44 | Duelist | oh, hint if anyone is having trouble getting the marillat packages, switch from FTP to HTTP |
| 17:48.52 | Duelist | for some reason FTP to ftp.nerim.net is flaky |
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| 17:49.13 | PerfDave | Duelist: We've already established that it's not possible to obtain a version of the audio in question which has not been lossily encoded. |
| 17:49.32 | Loonix | when are ftp gona be put out of comiddion ? |
| 17:49.38 | Loonix | comission |
| 17:49.56 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 17:49.56 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
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| 17:50.20 | valdyn | Duelist: tried that mirror? |
| 17:50.29 | Duelist | actually I haven't |
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| 17:50.53 | cusco | stew: what would the basename be? |
| 17:51.03 | cusco | I don't know how to use update-rc.d |
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| 17:54.20 | ma3x | valdyn, were you the one who suggested me mondo? |
| 17:54.28 | valdyn | ma3x: yea |
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| 17:54.41 | jake1932 | quick question - how do I get dhcpd to use the name servers listed in resolv.conf? |
| 17:54.43 | ma3x | valdyn, good. A few things bother me |
| 17:54.54 | ma3x | valdyn, mondo can't backup to DVD |
| 17:55.01 | valdyn | ma3x: it can |
| 17:55.08 | valdyn | ma3x: i do that myself |
| 17:55.09 | cusco | stew: ok I got it.. so if I remove gdm from /etc/rc3.d/ and user runlevel 3 would do the trick, right? |
| 17:55.27 | valdyn | ma3x: well, actually, i backup to an iso img and burn that later |
| 17:55.33 | ma3x | valdyn, ---FATALERROR--- Manual CD tray + DVD not supported yet. |
| 17:55.47 | valdyn | ma3x: just backup to an iso image and burn that later then |
| 17:55.48 | stew | cusco: that would make it so that runlevel 3 doesn't start a dm. note that in debian unless you change inittab its going to start in runlevel 2 |
| 17:55.53 | ma3x | valdyn, OK, and what do you do for a boot disk? |
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| 17:56.03 | eheil | hmm isn't taht supported--backups to DV\\d images in CVS? |
| 17:56.07 | ma3x | valdyn, if something goes wrong how do you boot up, and how do you start the backup process/ |
| 17:56.36 | Eulex | PerfDave, true, however, if a music player can't play ogg it does imho suck and should be spared this earth. |
| 17:56.38 | valdyn | ma3x: that iso image will be bootable and provide everything needed to restore everything you backupped, including partition tables etc.. |
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| 17:56.52 | yang | is it possible to get a PTR address for IPv6 hostname with some option in dig? |
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| 17:57.18 | ma3x | valdyn, so I run mondo, backup, and then when it asks me if I want to make a bootable floppy, what should I say? |
| 17:57.24 | _RAE_ | hi all, i just upgraded to sarge and i get this error with courier-authlib "symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference" anyone can explain me what does it mean ? |
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| 17:57.53 | valdyn | ma3x: i dont remember being asked for that, you dont really need a bootable floppy though. |
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| 17:58.15 | valdyn | ma3x: the thing is that mondo uses 'mindi' and mindi will create all kinds of bootable floopy images that you dont really need |
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| 17:58.52 | ma3x | valdyn, and what about this Are you confident that your kernel is a sane, sensible, standard Linux kernel? Say 'no' if you are using a Gentoo <1.4 or Debian <3.0, please. |
| 17:59.01 | ma3x | What should I select there? |
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| 17:59.13 | ma3x | yes or no ? |
| 17:59.17 | valdyn | ma3x: if its a debian kernel, then you can be confident that it works afaik |
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| 17:59.55 | ma3x | but it says Say 'no' if Debian <3.0 |
| 18:00.00 | ma3x | and I have 2.6.14 |
| 18:00.04 | ma3x | so that would be NO? |
| 18:00.15 | valdyn | ma3x: kernelversion isnt a debian release |
| 18:01.00 | valdyn | ma3x: debian 3.0 is woody is released years ago |
| 18:01.23 | ma3x | valdyn, ok.... and after creating the image file, I don't just copy it to the DVD, right? I must burn it with k3b? |
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| 18:01.45 | yacc | ma3x: that means if you run anything before Woody, you are borked. |
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| 18:02.06 | memic | eh howto remove unwanted modules? |
| 18:02.14 | valdyn | ma3x: yea |
| 18:02.16 | memic | they always get reloaded on reboot |
| 18:02.46 | ma3x | valdyn, OK i'll check thanks!! |
| 18:02.54 | ma3x | valdyn, so there is actually no need of mondi, huh? |
| 18:03.09 | valdyn | ma3x: eh? |
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| 18:03.30 | ma3x | valdyn, since mondo creates a bootable image, we don't need mondi |
| 18:03.40 | valdyn | ma3x: its called mindi |
| 18:03.41 | xored | someone has an idea how to make psybnc working with ksirc ? |
| 18:03.55 | valdyn | ma3x: mindi creates the part mondo uses to make that dvd bootable |
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| 18:04.20 | ma3x | valdyn, yeah, but when you run 'mondoarchive' it does that itself, right? |
| 18:04.22 | valdyn | ma3x: what you don't need is just the floppy images that mindi creates |
| 18:04.22 | Eulex | memic, blacklist them |
| 18:04.25 | ma3x | it's not necessary to run mondi again |
| 18:04.27 | valdyn | ma3x: right |
| 18:04.29 | Eulex | !tell memic about blacklist |
| 18:04.33 | memic | thx :) |
| 18:04.40 | ma3x | ok valdyn thanks a lot dude! |
| 18:05.06 | memic | wondered what happend to modconf |
| 18:05.08 | memic | ;) |
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| 18:05.33 | valdyn | memic: nothing? |
| 18:05.56 | memic | whatever didnt work on that crappy box |
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| 18:09.41 | Zapelius | anyone know a *small* mp3 _console_ player, that is remote controllable? (SIG's, whatever) |
| 18:09.46 | xored | someone has an idea how to make psybnc working with ksirc ? |
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| 18:10.43 | [c]knoppix | well, i read the whole installtion guide, and it relaly didn't answer many questions, lol. |
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| 18:10.48 | [c]knoppix | really. |
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| 18:11.15 | harirama | Q: with hotplug, how can i make network card do a dhcp request after recognition? |
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| 18:11.22 | azeem | [c]knoppix: so send patches |
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| 18:11.27 | [c]knoppix | ? |
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| 18:14.22 | abrotman | he read the whole ig ? |
| 18:14.33 | PerfDave | abrotman: Apparently it's bigger than a novel :) |
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| 18:15.03 | Ronin | must be a speed reader |
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| 18:15.49 | [c]knoppix | yes |
| 18:15.56 | [c]knoppix | i read all the way to the apendix |
| 18:16.09 | Ronin | [c]knoppix: ok then, what question do you have that the guide didnt answer |
| 18:16.16 | [c]knoppix | it told me how to install, but not what to install, lol. |
| 18:16.31 | Ronin | of course it didn't it cant read minds |
| 18:16.51 | |V\oNK | whats the best way to update a debian PC? |
| 18:16.53 | [c]knoppix | i asume burnign the first iso will be enough for a base debian + kde? |
| 18:16.58 | |V\oNK | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 18:17.01 | abrotman | !d-i [c]knoppix |
| 18:17.01 | dpkg | [c]knoppix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:17.11 | PerfDave | [c]knoppix: Yes |
| 18:17.15 | abrotman | |V\oNK: upgrade what to what ? .. and your nick is annoying :) |
| 18:17.16 | [c]knoppix | i did, taht didn't help me |
| 18:17.18 | Ronin | nice try again abrotman but that didn't work the last several times :) |
| 18:17.21 | [c]knoppix | ok. |
| 18:17.41 | |V\oNK | id like to just make sure all my apps are upto-date |
| 18:17.52 | abrotman | |V\oNK: are you using stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 18:18.21 | |V\oNK | stable |
| 18:18.25 | Zapelius | mm.. mpg321 *does* have remote control. Somehow I rushed over it |
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| 18:18.39 | abrotman | |V\oNK: a `apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade` should be sufficient |
| 18:18.47 | bodhisattva | ty |
| 18:19.02 | pig_style | ive rerad that nasa uses mandriva is this true ? |
| 18:19.05 | azeem | hrm, the install manual should give guidelines for what to actually download and install, IMHO |
| 18:19.21 | pig_style | ive read that nasa uses mandriva is this true ? |
| 18:19.22 | abrotman | pig_style: ask #mandriva .. how would we know ? |
| 18:19.30 | Ronin | pig_style: ask nasa |
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| 18:20.02 | pig_style | is selinux on debian ? |
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| 18:21.01 | bucky | apt-cache search selinux |
| 18:21.12 | isaac_ | Hello. I've got a dual head Radeon 7000 video card that I'm trying to get spanning to work with. I've got my configuration all done but it doesn't seem to work. I'm using two screen entries, two device entries, two monitor entries and have Xinerama enabled. |
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| 18:23.03 | bodhisattva | thx abrotman i happened tro find an exploit fix |
| 18:23.06 | Eulex | Zapelius, mpd? |
| 18:23.19 | abrotman | bodhisattva: are you subscribed to the DSA mailing list ? |
| 18:23.37 | arpa- | how can i secure the kernel kmod\ptrace flaw in my 2.4.18bf2.4 kernel? |
| 18:23.42 | abrotman | bodhisattva: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 18:23.46 | bodhisattva | nope, was just poking around the otherday.. |
| 18:23.51 | bodhisattva | got the fix today |
| 18:23.56 | bodhisattva | ty |
| 18:24.04 | Eulex | arpa-, upgrade it? it's ancient. |
| 18:24.04 | crash3m_ | arpa-: use a different kernel? |
| 18:24.22 | arpa- | crash3m_: i'm not interested in installing a different kernel, is there a way to secure this one? |
| 18:24.23 | abrotman | arpa-: use a real kernel . .that's not meant for daily use .. |
| 18:24.28 | crash3m_ | arpa-: no |
| 18:24.37 | PerfDave | abrotman: 2.4.18bf2.4 is the Woody install kernel, which you shouldn't even be using on Woody, though it should have security updates available as part of the oldstable branch. |
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| 18:24.44 | PerfDave | arpa-: 2.4.18bf2.4 is the Woody install kernel, which you shouldn't even be using on Woody, though it should have security updates available as part of the oldstable branch. |
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| 18:24.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:24.57 | abrotman | !real kernel |
| 18:24.57 | dpkg | real kernel is probably The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 18:25.01 | arpa- | ok, thanks. |
| 18:25.19 | Centre | hello |
| 18:26.01 | Centre | does anyone maybe know where i can find the linux application 'dig' of 'host' source? While using google doesnt bring up any good results.. |
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| 18:26.13 | PerfDave | Centre: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:27.41 | bucky | Centre, apt-get install dnsutils |
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| 18:28.52 | Centre | hmm gonna try that one ;) |
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| 18:29.20 | Eulex | Centre, you should gain some apt-file-fu |
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| 18:29.32 | CyberWar | boe |
| 18:29.35 | CyberWar | hi all |
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| 18:29.45 | Centre | i dont use debian anyways ;) |
| 18:30.14 | abrotman | what do you use ? |
| 18:30.15 | NaRF|irc | i'm trying to convert a putty-ssh-privatekey to an openssh-privatekey via puttygen, but it doesn't accept my passphrase...any ideas? |
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| 18:30.40 | NaRF|irc | puttygen key.ppk -O private-openssh -o ~/.ssh/id_dsa <== this is the command i used |
| 18:30.47 | Centre | all sort of, mostly gentoo/freebsd/rh90/centos |
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| 18:31.10 | abrotman | Centre: but which are you asking about right now ? |
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| 18:31.35 | abrotman | !tell debi about root |
| 18:31.42 | Centre | i think that wont make any difference. linux source is written in C and multi platform compatible |
| 18:32.04 | abrotman | yes .. but a different distro may have it in a different package |
| 18:32.05 | ice_1963 | is there somewere i can go and read on how to install ati driver's for xserver-xorg?? |
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| 18:32.35 | Centre | ah, im mostly interested in the way the program works |
| 18:32.43 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 18:32.44 | dpkg | ati debs is, like, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 18:32.59 | Centre | so i can see what code-a-like i need for my own creation |
| 18:33.39 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:33.52 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 18:33.54 | repp | Centre: you want to write a DNS Resolver? why would you want to do that? there are many APIs for that. |
| 18:34.08 | eheil | Hey is bitchx still being developed? |
| 18:34.30 | abrotman | probably .. ask #bitchx (if it exists) |
| 18:34.48 | eheil | Ah. OK. Thanks. |
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| 18:35.31 | Centre | because im now using alternative ways to get my things working, and im using like 4 different tools chained to get results |
| 18:35.44 | Centre | and it does need a lot of resources every time, also to defunct |
| 18:35.59 | Centre | i want to code an one-in-all tool that does fit my needs |
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| 18:36.15 | Eulex | eheil, the homepage should also be a good source for info: http://www.bitchx.org/ |
| 18:36.21 | repp | Centre: sounds like you want to use a scripting language like perl, ruby, python... |
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| 18:36.35 | eheil | Hey--just wondering, any of you experience that debtags is broken in unstable? b/c iit seems to be taht way on at least three of my systems here. In Stable though, it works fine. It complains about libc detecting an invalid pointer, and then it segfaults after getting its ddataand writing the system vocabulary databases. |
| 18:36.57 | Centre | im using php in the shell now, driven by the crontab |
| 18:36.58 | abrotman | i don't think stable has a real full implementation of debtags |
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| 18:37.08 | Centre | using mysql and other binaries to get my things |
| 18:37.18 | Centre | all a lot of resources and huge system loads |
| 18:37.18 | abrotman | eheil: did you check the bts ? |
| 18:37.19 | azeem | eheil: known bug |
| 18:37.36 | abrotman | azeem: does stable have a full implementation of debtags ? |
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| 18:37.43 | azeem | don't think so |
| 18:37.43 | CyberWar | hello all i has a problem with startx. can me someone help? |
| 18:37.51 | azeem | depending on what "full implementation" means |
| 18:38.03 | repp | CyberWar: perhaps, depends on what your problem is |
| 18:38.05 | abrotman | azeem: i know all the packages don't have tags .. but i didn't think all the tools were there |
| 18:38.08 | azeem | some tools use them, some don't I think |
| 18:38.39 | eheil | abrotman: Really? I thought that its implemtntation would have been OK. Looking at the tag data, it looks to be pretty complete. Though a lot of applications--cept I think aptitude that's in unstable has partial support for debtags. |
| 18:38.55 | abrotman | eheil: i mean in stable .. |
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| 18:39.34 | Invisible_Man | Anyone tell me how to change upon boot logging into terminal instead of X-Windows? |
| 18:39.44 | abrotman | !tell Invisible_Man about nodm |
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| 18:39.49 | SimonRaven | !tell Invisible_Man -about nodm |
| 18:39.53 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 18:39.57 | abrotman | !win me |
| 18:39.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 18:40.38 | SimonRaven | funny though, dpkg didn't bitch about 'someone already said that XX seconds ago' |
| 18:40.41 | CyberWar | repp: may I copy you the error here? |
| 18:40.55 | SimonRaven | no |
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| 18:41.03 | SimonRaven | !tell CyberWar -about paste |
| 18:41.24 | repp | CyberWar: no, paste it to #flood |
| 18:41.28 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, and SimonRaven so what that bot told me was to remove my X-Window GUI and I'll be at command prompt?/ |
| 18:41.30 | abrotman | SimonRaven: because of the -about .. i think |
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| 18:41.49 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: your options are to remove the *dm packages .. or disable them |
| 18:42.04 | Zugschlus | fireba11: now I am here |
| 18:42.04 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: read the whole thing |
| 18:42.07 | bartden | hi, is g faster then a wireless ? |
| 18:42.22 | bodhisattva | hello again.. the other day someione told me how to remove ipv6, but i couldnt becuase i didnt know how to stop it first |
| 18:42.23 | repp | bartden: generally, yes |
| 18:42.28 | bodhisattva | can someone help please |
| 18:42.37 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, I read the whole thing obvious I don't get it |
| 18:42.46 | repp | bodhisattva: you probably do not need to remove ipv6... |
| 18:42.52 | bartden | repp and whats fastes, b or g ? |
| 18:42.55 | abrotman | g |
| 18:43.07 | bodhisattva | repp, your right i dont need to,.. but i dont need it either |
| 18:43.11 | repp | bartden: g |
| 18:43.11 | Ronin | damn it, howd i manage to close part of my screen |
| 18:43.12 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: see the last part about "echo adsfafeavsefa > some file" .. that's one way |
| 18:43.16 | ctp | hi folks. which kind of blocking packets do you prefer using iptables as packet filter: DROP vs REJECT? which one to take? |
| 18:43.22 | abrotman | ctp: #iptables |
| 18:43.23 | repp | bodhisattva: get well soon :) |
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| 18:43.50 | bodhisattva | +? |
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| 18:44.08 | bucky | Invisible_Man, update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 18:44.14 | abrotman | bodhisattva: you can try to blacklist the module .. but it's really not the best idea |
| 18:44.17 | carcass | why do i need ACPI on a desktop ? |
| 18:44.22 | abrotman | bucky: assuming it's xdm ? |
| 18:44.26 | abrotman | carcass: for lots of fun stuff! |
| 18:44.33 | carcass | like what ? |
| 18:44.33 | Invisible_Man | bucky, that will boot me to console? and then I have to startx manuel? |
| 18:44.34 | repp | bodhisattva: the work involved is likely going to outweigh any benefit, so it would be best to just leave it. |
| 18:44.38 | bucky | abrotman, i'm reading Invisible_Man's mind |
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| 18:44.51 | Invisible_Man | bucky, yes I use KDE |
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| 18:44.55 | bodhisattva | hummm |
| 18:45.01 | bodhisattva | oh well ill do it later |
| 18:45.01 | bucky | Invisible_Man, kdm ? |
| 18:45.02 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: dpkg -l | grep dm |
| 18:45.03 | Eulex | carcass, for example to not have to manually press the power-off button when you shut down your computer. |
| 18:45.21 | abrotman | Eulex: you lazy sheep |
| 18:45.32 | carcass | isnt that APM ? |
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| 18:45.42 | Eulex | abrotman, yeah, and I'm proud of it :P |
| 18:45.43 | pbrook | Eulex: apm can also do that/ Except most modern board probably don't do apm. |
| 18:45.45 | abrotman | carcass: APM has been superceded by ACPI |
| 18:45.49 | slummer | Is there a way to reinstall every package on my system? |
| 18:45.53 | Invisible_Man | gdm |
| 18:45.55 | Eulex | carcass & pbrook , true |
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| 18:45.58 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, gdm |
| 18:46.03 | bucky | slummer, re install |
| 18:46.06 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: that's the only one ? |
| 18:46.08 | Invisible_Man | wtf i'm typing g dm |
| 18:46.11 | repp | slummer: yes, delete all your files and reinstall |
| 18:46.11 | Eulex | carcass, apm can do it too |
| 18:46.19 | carcass | why do they keep changing the names of stuff ? |
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| 18:46.28 | abrotman | Eulex: if the machine supports apm .. which most newer machines don't |
| 18:46.30 | carcass | wasnt APM good ? |
| 18:46.32 | ice_1963 | Invisible_man are you useing kde 3.4.2? |
| 18:46.33 | abrotman | carcass: APM was horrible |
| 18:46.34 | carcass | why ACPI |
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| 18:46.48 | Eulex | carcass, apm is deprecated. ask the hardware manufacturers why. |
| 18:46.49 | carcass | ACPI is horrendous |
| 18:46.54 | abrotman | APM was worse |
| 18:46.56 | Invisible_Man | ice_1963, default sarge install. Sorry guys Its been 2 years since I was on Linux bare with me |
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| 18:47.04 | abrotman | APM was rarely implemented to spec |
| 18:47.06 | repp | carcass: I've wondered that myself, especially since apm may work better in some cases |
| 18:47.06 | abrotman | dcmbrown: better :) |
| 18:47.11 | repp | abrotman: and neither is ACPI |
| 18:47.16 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 18:47.21 | abrotman | repp: but it's a lot more frequent |
| 18:47.26 | slummer | repp: without deleting any files |
| 18:47.28 | pbrook | carcass: On a single CPU workstation ACPI is kindof optional. For SMP sytems it's much more important. Esp for interrupt routing etc. |
| 18:47.28 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, I'm used to Slackware..sorry man I used to go into /etc/innitab and it was simple |
| 18:47.30 | abrotman | repp: APM was absolutely a pile doggie doo |
| 18:47.32 | kartoo | I changed to debian just now. My monitor supports 1200x768 resolution in fedora core 4 and Winlow$ and even higher resolution is supported. But debian gives me a highest resolution of 800x600 only. How should I configure it to get a higher resolution? |
| 18:47.34 | kristalino | hello |
| 18:47.39 | repp | abrotman: not from my experience; I just apm today because it works far better on my machine than ACPI |
| 18:47.47 | abrotman | repp: how old is the machine ? |
| 18:47.48 | SimonRaven | R^)*^%*&%#$(^*%W#(&@$%)!*%@#$)*&!(R$P)G fricking thing wouldn't let me type, and started mega-lagging @*^%@(*%^(*@&^*)(&^ |
| 18:47.54 | Eulex | !drxx kartoo |
| 18:47.54 | dpkg | kartoo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:48.06 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 18:48.10 | LSorensen | pbrook: you are thinking of APIC |
| 18:48.11 | repp | slummer: well; no... but what you are asking is rather strange. why would you want to reinstall all packages? |
| 18:48.19 | bucky | carcass, no one is stopping you from using apm.. but the acpi will be loaded instead of apm if available on boot afaik so get rid of acpi |
| 18:48.25 | dcmbrown | :) Soo... onto my nfs question. I'm attempting to mount an nfs share, but keep getting "mount: RPC: Program not registered" on debian 3.1. But not all of the programs in nfs-utils seem to be available... |
| 18:48.26 | repp | abrotman: quite new, IBM thinkpad, T42. |
| 18:48.35 | slummer | repp: trashed /usr filesystem |
| 18:48.39 | repp | slummer: reinstall. |
| 18:48.41 | abrotman | repp: i tried to use APM on my G40 .. it didn't do squat .. ACPI does it all |
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| 18:48.54 | pbrook | LSorensen: Isn't the APIC usually configured (discovered?) via ACPI? |
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| 18:49.06 | abrotman | pbrook: APIC is for SMP .. ACPI is for power mgmt |
| 18:49.08 | Eulex | kartoo, though you'd probably have to edit your XF86Config-5 or xorg.conf to achieve that display mode. btw, if you haven't, install/use any special drivers for your gfx card |
| 18:49.11 | repp | abrotman: I guess it has to be a best-fit case-by-case issue then |
| 18:49.12 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, ok did that.. So when I reboot it should bring me to console correct? |
| 18:49.15 | LSorensen | pbrook: APIC helps manage interrupts. ACPI is a way to do power managerment and configuration control. They are often used together but they are not related |
| 18:49.18 | bucky | acpi is for apple |
| 18:49.19 | abrotman | pbrook: /msg dpkg acpi .. /msg dpkg apic |
| 18:49.21 | slummer | repp: reinstall option to apt-get? |
| 18:49.27 | dcmbrown | er, nevermind. Just figured it out. :P |
| 18:49.36 | kartoo | dpkg: how do i find whether my monitor is vesa or vega. i use Samsung Syncmaster 753s |
| 18:49.36 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, kartoo |
| 18:49.48 | repp | slummer: there is; but what you want is to reinstall most, not all packages. |
| 18:49.49 | abrotman | kartoo: oyu mean your video card ? |
| 18:49.51 | malex | I've a problem with access to apache2 running on my own machine from the konqueror. Firebird opens pages at http://localhost just fine, but konqueror will only open them if the URL is like http://127.0.0.1... and will time out if I use http://localhost. I have a line "127.0.0.1 localhost" in "/etc/hosts". I am not sure what else I can do to fix this. |
| 18:49.57 | LSorensen | APIC = Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller. ACPI = Advanced Configuration and Powermanagement Interface |
| 18:50.04 | abrotman | pbrook: see the difference ? |
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| 18:50.21 | abrotman | repp: though most newer machines don't work well with APM .. but if it worked for you .. good |
| 18:50.26 | Eulex | kartoo, you shouldn't use any of those two display drivers. what's your display card? |
| 18:50.28 | slummer | repp: how do I tell apt to reinstall everything? |
| 18:50.34 | LSorensen | abrotman: true, no one wants the old limited APM anymore |
| 18:50.34 | kartoo | dpkg, abrotman, my video card is intel 82845G card |
| 18:50.34 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, kartoo |
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| 18:50.42 | abrotman | LSorensen: repp does :) |
| 18:50.52 | kartoo | dpkg: i noticed ur answer. plz elaborate |
| 18:50.53 | LSorensen | abrotman: no one that wants good power management then |
| 18:50.54 | abrotman | kartoo: i810 driver is probably the best bet |
| 18:50.58 | fbi | i just accidentally typed "screen irc" and irssi actually started |
| 18:51.00 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 18:51.00 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 18:51.02 | LSorensen | kartoo: dpkg is not very likely to do that |
| 18:51.12 | kristalino | i have a problem on debian that i never had before : i have no access to some characters (for example / char or . char), and above all, no acess to ALT+CTRL+Fxx. Can you help ? |
| 18:51.14 | abrotman | dpkg: who owns you |
| 18:51.14 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 18:51.16 | kartoo | abrotman: thanks. i'll try. |
| 18:51.18 | pbrook | Sure. I know what they do. I was just under the impression that one of the common failure modes was dodgy bios ACPI table caused the kenrel to misconfigure the APIC. |
| 18:51.45 | LSorensen | fbi: that's alternatives for you |
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| 18:51.46 | pbrook | I'm talking about the "C" bit of ACPI :-) |
| 18:52.05 | LSorensen | pbrook: you can have a working apic without acpi |
| 18:52.13 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: sorry .. am here now |
| 18:52.20 | kartoo | abrotman: dpkg: what would be my video card's busidentifier? how should i find out? |
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| 18:52.28 | abrotman | kartoo: stop talking to dpkg .. he's a bot |
| 18:52.30 | LSorensen | pbrook: but yes it is probably most common to do such detectio nthrough acpi |
| 18:52.32 | vega- | hehe |
| 18:52.33 | abrotman | kartoo: and leeave it blank |
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| 18:52.38 | repp | slummer: might try: dpkg -S '/usr/bin' | sed 's/,//g;s/\/usr\/bin//;s/://' | xargs aptitude reinstall |
| 18:52.41 | Zugschlus | fireba11: np, it's your question needing an answer |
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| 18:52.48 | LSorensen | kartoo: do you have more than one video card? do you have a powerpc? |
| 18:53.02 | LSorensen | kartoo: if the answer to both is no, then you leave the bus identifier blank |
| 18:53.17 | slummer | repp: hmmm... thanks. |
| 18:53.21 | Eulex | kartoo, dpkg is a bot. |
| 18:53.21 | repp | slummer: but seriously, if you can move files off the machine, reinstall may be better |
| 18:53.23 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: you got any clue what version should be "better" ? |
| 18:53.24 | kartoo | LSorensen: answer is no for both. |
| 18:53.27 | abrotman | !tell slummer about reinstall |
| 18:53.29 | stew | or one card that will be run dual headed... |
| 18:53.37 | stew | but then you are editing the config by hand anyway |
| 18:53.43 | kartoo | how do i find my video memory? |
| 18:53.43 | abrotman | stew: you biphallic stud! |
| 18:53.46 | Zugschlus | fireba11: version of what |
| 18:53.56 | fbi | kartoo: when in doubt, hit enter |
| 18:53.59 | stew | abrotman: wow, never been called that before |
| 18:54.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:54.15 | abrotman | stew: it will make nice dinner conversation with the wife :) |
| 18:54.18 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: dovecot .. debian stable got 0.99 while testing and unstable got 1.alpha4 |
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| 18:54.28 | slummer | repp: I do have a net install disk...but I rather not. :) |
| 18:54.29 | Zugschlus | fireba11: I use backports |
| 18:54.40 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: there are considerable differences between those two .. so you're using 1.x ? |
| 18:54.45 | vega- | kartoo: it's attached to the video card |
| 18:54.50 | Zugschlus | I'm using the alpha version from unstable |
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| 18:55.14 | Knight_Lord | I just tried to isntall firefox-1.5 |
| 18:55.14 | Zugschlus | and I don't know whether there are differences, but the systems that have dovecot already are experimental anyway, so I can as well help out ironing away bugs |
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| 18:55.19 | Knight_Lord | tar -zxvf and then ./firefox |
| 18:55.20 | Zugschlus | but there aren't any that I am aware of |
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| 18:55.30 | Knight_Lord | but nothing happens, it simply exits. Any explanation? |
| 18:55.42 | Knight_Lord | It shuoldn't be that difficult to install firefox |
| 18:55.45 | fireba11 | okay .. will do that too then ... getting exim4 to use maildir should be pretty easy i figure ? |
| 18:56.01 | repp | Knight_Lord: apt-get install firefox; how hard is that? |
| 18:56.11 | Knight_Lord | repp i need a more recent verion |
| 18:56.15 | kartoo | vega, fbi, dpkg, abrotman, LSorensen : thanks it got configuresd |
| 18:56.20 | fbi | what is so good about firefox 1.5 anyway |
| 18:56.27 | fbi | does it do your dry cleaning for you or something |
| 18:56.29 | Knight_Lord | repp i'm trying to book a flight on KLM and it doesn't allow for firefox 1.0.6 which is apparently the most recent one in sid |
| 18:56.33 | Zugschlus | fireba11: yes |
| 18:56.34 | abrotman | fbi: dunno .. i installed it in windows .. can't find a difference :) |
| 18:56.34 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, get firefox 1.5 from experimental instead; btw 1.5 is still a bit unstable here |
| 18:56.52 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, 1.0.7 is the latest in sid |
| 18:56.53 | fbi | abrotman: heh. i don't even use the old firefox. |
| 18:56.59 | Knight_Lord | Eulex yea 1.0.7 |
| 18:57.00 | repp | Knight_Lord: more likely is that they support NO version of firefox; you may be forced to use Internet Explorer; as an alternative, you can configure firefox to pretend to be IE |
| 18:57.03 | abrotman | fbi: i don't much either .. opera! |
| 18:57.05 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: thanks .. will install it on my server soon then ;-) and if it wirks fine will use it at work too |
| 18:57.09 | Knight_Lord | repp they support firefox |
| 18:57.11 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, why would 1.5 be different? |
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| 18:57.16 | fbi | actually i've been using elinks a lot |
| 18:57.20 | Knight_Lord | They say they support firefox > 1.0 |
| 18:57.25 | fbi | trying to ween off of X permanently |
| 18:57.27 | Knight_Lord | But apparently 1.0.7 doesn't work |
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| 18:57.45 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, 1.0.7 > 1.0 |
| 18:57.58 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, that worked perfect.. no the normal command I'm used to for selecting your X-Manager isn't valid of xwmconfig |
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| 18:58.00 | kartoo | should i reboot it to get the new resolutions to work? |
| 18:58.02 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: want to get rid of mbox and uw-imap ^^ |
| 18:58.03 | Knight_Lord | Eulex i know but their detector doesn't seem to know |
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| 18:58.07 | fbi | kartoo: restart X |
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| 18:58.13 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: using what? |
| 18:58.13 | kartoo | fbi: ok |
| 18:58.15 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, what does Debian use to select what X-Window you want? |
| 18:58.17 | repp | Knight_Lord: the problem is with the website, not your browser. Installing a newer version of firefox is not likely to solve your problem. |
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| 18:58.30 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: you meawn which window manager? or which desktop or what ? |
| 18:58.32 | gass | hello there |
| 18:58.35 | repp | Knight_Lord: configuring firefox to pretend to be a different browser is worth trying |
| 18:58.51 | Knight_Lord | repp of course it's gonna solve it. Have you even checked the website? |
| 18:58.56 | gass | can anyone tell me how to use distcc with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 18:58.56 | kartoo | fbi: restart X doesnt work! |
| 18:59.00 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, hmm. you should be able to change what firefox reports that it is another browser/version: about:config should do it |
| 18:59.01 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, with window manager.. I'm in Gnome now.. How do I get back to KDE. Sorry newbie question but as I said Slackware is VERY diffrent |
| 18:59.05 | repp | Knight_Lord: what's the URL? |
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| 18:59.12 | Knight_Lord | repp www.klm.com |
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| 18:59.12 | fbi | kartoo: elaborate on that one |
| 18:59.23 | kartoo | it says command not found |
| 18:59.23 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: /etc/alternatives might have a clue .. or use your .xsession |
| 18:59.30 | fbi | kartoo: startx |
| 18:59.38 | fbi | kartoo: are you still in X ? |
| 18:59.51 | kartoo | ya fbi. |
| 19:00.02 | fbi | kartoo: gdm/gnome ? |
| 19:00.08 | kartoo | gnome |
| 19:00.16 | fbi | kartoo: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 19:00.19 | fbi | kartoo: as root |
| 19:00.29 | kartoo | fbi: ok |
| 19:00.46 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, hmm, about:config hadn't got any option for that as for as I could see |
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| 19:01.08 | repp | Eulex: it is there, hidden feature. |
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| 19:01.17 | kristalino | i haven't CTRL-ALT-F1 enabled. How can i fix this ? |
| 19:01.18 | Knight_Lord | Eulex how do i add experimental? |
| 19:01.28 | kristalino | i tried several keymaps tho ... |
| 19:01.33 | usuario07 | alguem do brasil? |
| 19:01.36 | Knight_Lord | is it possible to get experimental packages from packages.debian.org? |
| 19:01.44 | Knight_Lord | usuario07 vai ao #debian-br |
| 19:01.46 | fbi | !tell usuario07 about br |
| 19:01.57 | usuario07 | obrigado |
| 19:02.04 | Knight_Lord | usuario07 e j agora utilizador muito melhor que usurio :-P |
| 19:02.12 | abrotman | ack! .. not english! |
| 19:02.20 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: can you read? they say that "On Mac os X" they will accept your browser being firefox >=1.0 |
| 19:02.21 | Knight_Lord | sorry |
| 19:02.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:02.35 | repp | Knight_Lord: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2004/04/24/changinguseragent.html |
| 19:02.48 | Knight_Lord | valdyn so? |
| 19:03.04 | Knight_Lord | valdyn they don't say anything about linux, that's what you mean? |
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| 19:03.30 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: your browser's ID will contain the OS too |
| 19:03.40 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: looks to me like KLM morons check for that |
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| 19:03.52 | Knight_Lord | valdyn so you think they will block anything not Mac and Windows |
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| 19:04.03 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, yes |
| 19:04.13 | Knight_Lord | valdyn i know someone who got some tickets from klm using fedora core 3 |
| 19:04.16 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: id can be faked np |
| 19:04.26 | Knight_Lord | valdyn and without changing id |
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| 19:04.39 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: konqueror uses a faked id by default iirc |
| 19:04.42 | repp | Knight_Lord: well just ignore our adivce and do what you like then |
| 19:05.15 | Knight_Lord | How can i get the experimental firefox package? |
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| 19:05.23 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. don't |
| 19:05.43 | Knight_Lord | I just want to isntall firefox from experimental |
| 19:05.52 | Knight_Lord | i'll just get the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 19:06.15 | Ronin | and hbave been told not to Knight_Lord, for a good reason, its a path to major trouble mixing and matching |
| 19:06.29 | Knight_Lord | it's just for firefox |
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| 19:06.44 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: you understand why it's called experimental right ? |
| 19:06.45 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: why would you possibly want to install the experimental firefox package? |
| 19:06.46 | Knight_Lord | and it's not like i've started to use debian last week |
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| 19:06.59 | fbi | kartoo: install screen and irssi-text so you don't need to quit irc every time you kill X. |
| 19:07.02 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: stuff in experimental can be potentially VERY broken |
| 19:07.02 | Knight_Lord | caphuso because the stupid klm website doesn't let me in with the firefox from sid |
| 19:07.03 | valdyn | so how do you change the browserid in firefox? |
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| 19:07.16 | Knight_Lord | abrotman i'm completely aware of that thank you very much :-) |
| 19:07.33 | Knight_Lord | valdyn why the hell would i want to do that? |
| 19:07.38 | takatumi | fwiw, klm.com works in opera. |
| 19:07.44 | Knight_Lord | takatumi which version? |
| 19:07.49 | sifi | how can I se which packages "DNS Server" install when I run tasksel, "tasksel --task-packages desktop" shows all desktop packages |
| 19:07.50 | Knight_Lord | takatumi i tried that one first and also couldn't get in |
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| 19:07.53 | abrotman | !tell Knight_Lord about project/experimental |
| 19:07.59 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: and please don't cry when it breaks :) |
| 19:08.02 | takatumi | Knight_Lord: 8.51 |
| 19:08.03 | kartoo | fbi: when i killed X, and did startx, my screen went completely blank. Now I rebooted, and it works great now. thankls dude |
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| 19:08.19 | Knight_Lord | abrotman thanks |
| 19:08.19 | ice_1963 | what happend to flashplayer in non-free it don't install |
| 19:08.24 | fbi | kartoo: no problem but read what i said above ^^^^ |
| 19:08.30 | Knight_Lord | abrotman i don't use firefox so i don't care if it breaks |
| 19:08.32 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: so, and given that the only change between the unstable and the experimental firefox package has been the renaming, i.e. only debian specific changes has been made, you expect any real functionality difference between the two? |
| 19:08.32 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: but if opera works .. i'd use that instead of mucking with experimetnal |
| 19:08.32 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: thats the only way how klm can check which browser you are using |
| 19:08.40 | kartoo | fbi: ya installing |
| 19:08.42 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, klm.com does *NOT* work in ff 1.5 either. you want to change your useragent id (about:config in your address bar, enter useragent in the text edit) |
| 19:08.52 | Knight_Lord | Eulex did you check? |
| 19:08.58 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, I did. |
| 19:09.03 | Knight_Lord | Eulex thaks for checking :-) |
| 19:09.09 | sifi | Which packages is "DNS Server" in tasksel |
| 19:09.14 | repp | Knight_Lord: it is worth changing your User-Agent to "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)" just to see if it works |
| 19:09.20 | Knight_Lord | I'll try changing the user id in Opera then |
| 19:09.27 | Knight_Lord | Thanks for the help |
| 19:10.06 | fbi | sifi: that probabaly pulls bind9 and whatever else it needs |
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| 19:10.25 | sifi | fbi, tasksel --task-packages desktop" shows all desktop packages |
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| 19:10.46 | kingrayray | does debian use the dev filesystem? |
| 19:10.57 | PerfDave | "the dev filesystem"? |
| 19:11.07 | sifi | fbi,tasksel --task-packages dns-server found it |
| 19:11.23 | sifi | kingrayray, ext3 |
| 19:11.24 | repp | kingrayray: no, devfs is deprecated |
| 19:11.27 | kartoo | fbi: when i started my install, the installer tried to update some security packages from the internet, but then, i hadn't switched on my modem, and it failed. What packages are they? |
| 19:11.28 | abrotman | kingrayray: if you mean /dev/ yes .. if you mean devfs or udev .. be more specific |
| 19:11.37 | PerfDave | Debian can use devfs or udev or static /dev |
| 19:11.53 | PerfDave | kartoo: You should just be able to use apt-get upgrade to install them. |
| 19:11.53 | kingrayray | i'm not sure, i'm just trying to build a kernel and last time i had uh.. devfs enabled and it kernel panicked |
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| 19:12.01 | vega- | btw which one does etch use by default if installed from scratch? |
| 19:12.17 | Eulex | vega-, you don't install etch from scratch |
| 19:12.23 | PerfDave | kingrayray: Why are you compiling a kernel instead of using a provided package? |
| 19:12.28 | fbi | kartoo: verify that you have a security entry in /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:12.30 | tolsen_ | is there a way to see the changelog of a package through apt? I'm trying to use apt-listchanges but it looks like it wants me to download the .deb by hand first |
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| 19:12.36 | repp | !tell kingrayray devfs |
| 19:12.42 | kuRupT | how can helpme |
| 19:12.42 | kuRupT | ' |
| 19:12.43 | abrotman | close |
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| 19:12.53 | kingrayray | PerfDave: because i'm used to building my own kernels. |
| 19:12.58 | kingrayray | i just recently switched to debian, though |
| 19:13.01 | abrotman | kingrayray: that's a really really bad reason |
| 19:13.02 | PerfDave | kingrayray: That's no reason to continue a bad habit :) |
| 19:13.17 | kingrayray | well, i need to have drm disabled so i can install my ati driver |
| 19:13.24 | vega- | Eulex: ? there are unofficial cd images afaik |
| 19:13.25 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 19:13.25 | dpkg | [ati debs] http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 19:13.34 | stjepan | how big should be partitions for /var, /usr, /tmp, /home, /boot? |
| 19:13.35 | kingrayray | yeah, that's where i got them. |
| 19:13.44 | PerfDave | stjepan: How long is a piece of string? |
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| 19:13.47 | PerfDave | !ati drivers |
| 19:13.47 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 19:13.57 | kartoo | fbi, PerfDave: it installs nothing! |
| 19:13.58 | Eulex | vega-, you install sarge and dist-upgrade. and there are etch installers around. |
| 19:14.10 | fbi | kartoo: then you have all the updates. |
| 19:14.10 | caphuso | stjepan: how big do _you_ need them to be? |
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| 19:14.21 | Eulex | kuRupT, apparently, the people in the debian channel of your native language can be of most help. |
| 19:14.23 | PerfDave | kartoo: Then you either have all the security updates installed, or you don't have the security repository correctly added. |
| 19:14.23 | vega- | Eulex: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 19:14.42 | vega- | Eulex: but ok then, do you remember which one it uses? devfs or udev? or neither.. |
| 19:15.01 | kartoo | Perfdave: I have that entry in /etc/apt/sources.list. so it should be updated isn't it? ok. |
| 19:15.10 | Eulex | vega-, testing and unstable uses udev, not sure about stable, but I think it uses devfs |
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| 19:15.22 | stjepan | caphuso: I do not know. I am just a normal Linux user :) |
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| 19:15.27 | FarrisG | Whatever happened to apt-mirror. Is there some new, preferred method of creating a debian mirror? |
| 19:15.35 | stjepan | caphuso: I can use 100GB |
| 19:16.27 | PerfDave | stjepan: If you're just a normal Linux user, why are you bothereing with seperate partitions for everything? |
| 19:16.27 | vega- | hm, any good documentation anywhere on /dev,devfs/udev, what they require etc. ? |
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| 19:16.29 | Eulex | FarrisG, for what purpose? |
| 19:16.39 | kartoo | Would I get some link which would help me handling things in debian, as i have switched from redhat/fedora series? |
| 19:16.39 | vega- | for instance, i now run testing with my own kernel, but if i want to install a debian kernel do i need to consider these *dev* issues? |
| 19:16.50 | caphuso | stjepan: then make one partition for / with let's say 20GiB and a sufficiently sized swap partition (probably 1-2 GiB). leave the rest free in case you need it later |
| 19:17.00 | FarrisG | Eulex: for having a local mirror to install/upgrade all of my 60+ machines from |
| 19:17.02 | stjepan | is it good to put everything in one partition? |
| 19:17.03 | vega- | uh, silly irssi highlight |
| 19:17.19 | Knight_Lord | stjepan it's brilliantly simply |
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| 19:17.32 | Eulex | vega-, if the package maintainers do their job, you don't have to care about it in any way. |
| 19:17.36 | fbi | i thought you weren't supposed to make swap partitions larger than 1 gig. |
| 19:17.37 | vega- | stjepan: if it's a desktop it isn't important to have different partitions |
| 19:17.40 | Eulex | FarrisG, try apt-cacher |
| 19:17.47 | Knight_Lord | fbi who needs swap ;-) |
| 19:17.47 | PerfDave | stjepan: It's the most flexible solution if you don't have any reason to do otherwise. |
| 19:17.59 | Eulex | fbi, mines 1858mb and works very well. |
| 19:18.01 | stjepan | vega-: it is desktop + software development workstation :) |
| 19:18.02 | fbi | Knight_Lord: i have 2 gigs of dual channel ddr and i still run a swap |
| 19:18.16 | Knight_Lord | fbi i have 1 and i don't run swap |
| 19:18.22 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: well, that's your loss |
| 19:18.28 | Knight_Lord | :-) |
| 19:18.37 | Knight_Lord | depends on the point of view |
| 19:18.43 | vega- | Eulex: ok, well, it's easy to find out.. thanks |
| 19:18.48 | fbi | Knight_Lord: you can make a swap file (When you realize that not having a swap partition is a bad idea) |
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| 19:18.54 | Knight_Lord | fbi i know |
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| 19:19.10 | Knight_Lord | fbi swapon swapoff, i know the gimnick |
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| 19:19.19 | vega- | stjepan: i don't see a need for separate partitions, except perhaps for /boot and swap |
| 19:19.34 | stjepan | vega-: why for /boot? |
| 19:19.49 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, still no luck on getting it to change to KDE |
| 19:19.56 | Covener | vega-: if /var fills up and you're editing a file in /etc/ and it gets truncated... |
| 19:20.00 | Knight_Lord | fbi thing is usually when i run out of RAM it's the fault of one of my programs. I prefer them to crash imediatly than to wait for them to fill all the swap before crashing, leaving the machine unresponsive |
| 19:20.39 | FarrisG | Eulex: I don't believe apt-cacher is what I want. I want to create a local mirror so that I can freeze everything at a particular release. |
| 19:20.43 | vega- | stjepan: good question as a matter of fact.. because i've always had one :) |
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| 19:21.20 | vega- | Covener: all things are possible.. but maybe that scenario is more probable on a server machine (logs filling the disk etc.) |
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| 19:21.34 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: and if you keep your box running for a while and accumulate let's say 100MiB of completely unused stuff that could easily be paged out, you'd rather have that using your physical RAM instead of a larger disk cache? |
| 19:21.36 | Knight_Lord | fbi and btw i was joking with the "who needs swap" |
| 19:21.51 | Knight_Lord | caphuso i don't really care |
| 19:21.58 | Knight_Lord | caphuso i actually prefer it on RAM |
| 19:22.04 | Knight_Lord | caphuso as it gets back fastetr |
| 19:22.22 | Knight_Lord | caphuso when i use it again. As i said i never run out of RAM if i don't do stupid things |
| 19:22.44 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: oh, right, cause it's far more important to get something back you probably never need anyway instead of something you've used just a few minutes ago |
| 19:22.49 | Eulex | FarrisG, you could just point your sources.list at stable or so... |
| 19:22.49 | Covener | vega-: or any machine useing apt, or anyone playing with video in /tmp... |
| 19:23.01 | stjepan | vega-: ok, thank you |
| 19:23.05 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: it's not about running out of RAM. it's about having better system performance |
| 19:23.05 | Knight_Lord | caphuso if i never run out of RAM, no point paging out is it |
| 19:23.15 | stjepan | vega-: and tnx for all people who helped me :). bye |
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| 19:23.18 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: two words: disk. cache. |
| 19:23.31 | Knight_Lord | caphuso not taht big files either |
| 19:23.36 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: but lots of them |
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| 19:23.54 | Knight_Lord | caphuso the limit is usually something else |
| 19:24.08 | Knight_Lord | caphuso i don't thing i need 500MB of disk cache |
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| 19:24.30 | stew | Knight_Lord: right, you don't need any. the more you have the faster you machine will run however |
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| 19:24.39 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: maybe not. your box would still be faster with it |
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| 19:24.42 | Knight_Lord | stew not really there's a limit |
| 19:25.02 | vulture | caphuso: why would having swap help relate to disk caching? why would one benefit from caching disk access in swap? (ok, I suppose in some cases one would be better off swapping out one application's memory if it's not being used frequently, to use that memory for disk caches.. maybe) |
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| 19:25.03 | Knight_Lord | caphuso if i don't access more than 100MB of files, there's little point in having a 500MB cache |
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| 19:25.10 | stew | Knight_Lord: the limit is much higher than 500mb |
| 19:25.12 | vega- | how do i see if i'm running devfs? should it show as a process in ps? |
| 19:25.17 | DevilChaos | eh oh |
| 19:25.18 | caphuso | vulture: you benefit from caching files in RAM |
| 19:25.19 | vega- | udev runs as a daemon but don't know about devfs |
| 19:25.21 | repp | Knight_Lord: you're right, you don't need a swap file or swap partition. Enjoy life! |
| 19:25.27 | MASoft | For compiling debian packages to transfer ./configure options we use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, but what I must to use for transfer options to make ? (I want use -j4 for SMP systems) |
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| 19:25.41 | DevilChaos | whats a good mp3 channel on freenode? |
| 19:25.44 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: i'm pretty sure that you access way more than 100MiB of files |
| 19:25.46 | vulture | caphuso: Yes - but that doesn't explain why you'd need swap space.. |
| 19:25.48 | Nostur | hi, iam installing debian again, but i cant remember, how to avoid pci detection, i tried noapic and nolapic, even pci=biosirq, but nuthin works |
| 19:26.00 | Eulex | DevilChaos, "mp3 channel"? |
| 19:26.05 | caphuso | vulture: because that's where unused stuff goes, thus freeing physical RAM |
| 19:26.07 | klync | just trying to confirm whether my apt.conf is messed up, but did gcc-4.0 get added to "stable"? |
| 19:26.14 | valdyn | having swap just isnt always nice if you require latency more than thruoghput |
| 19:26.15 | DevilChaos | yeah where people swap music |
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| 19:26.26 | vulture | caphuso: Right, the little example I gave above. Ok then. |
| 19:26.34 | repp | DevilChaos: hahaha you fool |
| 19:26.36 | Eulex | DevilChaos, begone. |
| 19:26.45 | Covener | valdyn: skimping on the swap may mean you can't do aggressive FS buffering -- how's I/O and readdir/stat for latency? |
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| 19:26.59 | DevilChaos | repp: why am i a foooool? |
| 19:27.02 | Nostur | abrotman:hi, iam installing debian again, but i cant remember, how to avoid pci detection, i tried noapic and nolapic, even pci=biosirq, but nuthin works |
| 19:27.04 | DevilChaos | he he |
| 19:27.15 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 19:27.23 | Knight_Lord | caphuso well it could be but the gain from having more cache it completely outweighted by having programs with memory leaks bringing my computer to a halt for 5 mins |
| 19:27.28 | arpa- | i installed kernel 2.4.27, and now, the system can't seem to find my network card. can anyone help |
| 19:27.48 | Kruz | ok noob question, how do i update a program...only used livecds |
| 19:27.57 | DevilChaos | unfortunatley i was born one and i cant do anything bout it |
| 19:28.05 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: if that happens to you more often than twice per decade, you're doing something very wrong |
| 19:28.33 | Knight_Lord | caphuso even i sometimes introduce bugs in my programs |
| 19:28.35 | klync | Kruz: if you have dsl or something better than dialup, you'll want to change your apt sources from the cds to a package mirror |
| 19:28.37 | Nostur | abrotman? |
| 19:28.42 | valdyn | Covener: there's no simple answer to that, which is why i just meant that swap can hurt latency |
| 19:28.45 | Knight_Lord | caphuso and i can assure you it happens several times a month |
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| 19:29.10 | valdyn | Covener: sure i'd rather stat those 20k files from the cache than from disk.. |
| 19:29.24 | arpa- | i installed kernel 2.4.27, and now, the system can't seem to find my network card. even when i 'modconf' and choose the right driver to install, it says error "no such device", can anyone help? |
| 19:29.37 | caphuso | Knight_Lord: and it never occured to you to use sensible limits on programs you suspect to be faulty in all that time? |
| 19:29.41 | stew | Knight_Lord: man limits.conf |
| 19:29.50 | Knight_Lord | caphuso never :-D |
| 19:29.56 | meriad | stew: so i guess my laptop monitor just isnt compatible eh |
| 19:30.00 | meriad | stew: i've tried everything |
| 19:30.00 | repp | I'm the only person that introduces bugs into my programs... |
| 19:30.09 | meriad | stew: read alllll the documents specific to my laptop, and others not so much |
| 19:30.18 | meriad | stew; and yet, still i get a black screen : |
| 19:30.21 | stew | meriad: what refresh rate is your xserver running at |
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| 19:30.36 | meriad | stew: im not certain probably the default since its not specified in my con |
| 19:30.37 | meriad | stew conf |
| 19:30.40 | Nostur | can anyone tell me how to avoid detecting pci? noapic, nolapic, pci=biosirq is not working |
| 19:30.56 | Knight_Lord | Nostur noapci |
| 19:31.01 | Knight_Lord | Nostur 2.6? |
| 19:31.02 | stew | meriad: there isn't a default. what did you specify? |
| 19:31.06 | meriad | Stew: using generic vrefresh range of 50-100hz |
| 19:31.14 | meriad | stew: you mean my vertical/horizontal? |
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| 19:31.15 | valdyn | Nostur: not detectin pci isnt what you want, im sure of that |
| 19:31.16 | Nostur | Knight: just installing again, 2.4 |
| 19:31.33 | Nostur | valdyn: on notebook, irq is doing me probs |
| 19:31.53 | Knight_Lord | Nostur i don't remember about 2.4. In 2.6 is pci=noacpi |
| 19:31.59 | Kruz | Klync: how would i go about changing the sources |
| 19:32.07 | Nostur | Knight: ill try |
| 19:32.08 | valdyn | Nostur: so you want to not use the apic or just sitch irqs around in the bios |
| 19:32.20 | klync | Kruz: `cd /etc/apt && vi sources.list` |
| 19:32.23 | Nostur | valdyn: ok, in bios, ill try |
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| 19:32.41 | d03boy | in Windows you can make a shortcut and choose the "start in" working directory. is there a way to do this with linux using a symlink or something? |
| 19:32.42 | Kruz | ty |
| 19:32.43 | stew | meriad: it works with your external monitor, right? |
| 19:32.48 | klync | Kruz: you want security updates in there for sure, and pick a mirror that you like for the rest of the pkgs |
| 19:32.58 | stew | meriad: start it with your external monitor and run xdpyinfo and see what refresh rate its actually running |
| 19:33.05 | vega- | Kruz: if you don't know what vi is, i suggest using some text editor you know how to use |
| 19:33.08 | stew | meriad: and there is no way your lcd can do 100hz |
| 19:33.11 | Knight_Lord | Nostur it should also work in 2.4. acpi=off also does the same |
| 19:33.14 | klync | Kruz: you can also go through dselect's interface to change that file, but whatever you're most comfortable with |
| 19:33.16 | Kruz | ok thanks alot |
| 19:33.22 | vega- | otherwise even saving and quitting might be somewhat difficult.. |
| 19:33.24 | SimonRaven | d03boy: use 'cd /path; command' |
| 19:33.33 | Nostur | Knight: ok, ill try, now going to play Ugh! again :) |
| 19:33.40 | Ries | how can I checkout what device gives me high iowait numbers, with high I mean above 50%... this is on a 2.6.x kernel |
| 19:33.40 | d03boy | SimonRaven, im not sure what you mean exactly |
| 19:33.52 | SimonRaven | man cd |
| 19:33.55 | SimonRaven | man bash |
| 19:34.06 | meriad | stew: yes |
| 19:34.18 | Knight_Lord | Ries i don't think it's very simple |
| 19:34.19 | meriad | stew: thats what the manual told me |
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| 19:34.24 | meriad | stew: and thats what i set it at |
| 19:34.32 | MASoft | for Transfer the "./configure" parameter to debian/rules I use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, which environment variable I must to transfer "make" parameters ? |
| 19:34.36 | Knight_Lord | Ries you can try looking for D processes in top |
| 19:34.44 | Knight_Lord | Ries and then lsof for them |
| 19:34.55 | SimonRaven | err, sorry, no man cd... it isn't external anymore... |
| 19:35.05 | abrotman | Nostur: ? |
| 19:35.11 | Ries | Knight_Lord: I go looking for D processes.... it's a live server and it's sloooooooooow |
| 19:35.20 | abrotman | Nostur: why would you want to do that ? |
| 19:35.24 | Knight_Lord | Ries what kind of disks do you have? |
| 19:35.29 | Nostur | abrotman: reinstalling? or what |
| 19:35.32 | Ries | Knight_Lord: HW raid |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | avoid pci detection |
| 19:35.39 | Knight_Lord | Ries there was a problem with 3w-9xxx cards |
| 19:35.43 | Knight_Lord | Ries really nasty stuff |
| 19:35.53 | Nostur | abrotman: because iam installing at notebook, and its doing me problems |
| 19:35.57 | Knight_Lord | Ries i changed to software raid because of it |
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| 19:36.14 | Knight_Lord | Ries is it 3ware? |
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| 19:36.35 | stew | meriad: look at your x log and tell me what refresh rate you are using |
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| 19:36.42 | Ries | Knight_Lord: ic..... let me check the card we use, it's mostly when mysql pull's the HD's, I already tried tweeking the type of journal on my ext3 defice, I set it to journal, which supposed to be fast... |
| 19:37.03 | abrotman | Nostur: debconf/priority=medium .. i think |
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| 19:37.32 | caphuso | Ries: uhm, data=journal is typically slower than the other choices |
| 19:37.34 | Ries | Knight_Lord: 3w_xxxx so Ithink that's a yes :) |
| 19:37.38 | Knight_Lord | Ries https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121434 |
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| 19:37.42 | Knight_Lord | Ries this is the bug |
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| 19:37.44 | Nostur | abrotman: u know, i can even get to downloading modules, so ill disable pci in bios, or use cmds people told me |
| 19:37.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:37.55 | Knight_Lord | Ries i don't know if it applies to 3w_xxxx |
| 19:37.58 | Ries | caphuso: I have read on IBM's site that in there tests it was faster, let me look up the url.... |
| 19:38.04 | stew | meriad: or just try starting x with a refresh range of somehting more sane like 59-75 |
| 19:38.10 | Knight_Lord | Ries is that a 7500? Is it IDE or SATA? |
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| 19:38.14 | meriad | stew: fair enuf |
| 19:38.18 | meriad | steW: hodl up im rebooting right now |
| 19:38.20 | Ries | Knight_Lord: looking........ |
| 19:38.42 | DevilChaos | i need a list of channels on freenode cant find on site any ideas without me doing a /list command ? |
| 19:39.08 | FliesLikeABrick | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=1989387#post1989387 |
| 19:39.08 | Knight_Lord | Ries a good FS for speed if you think on switching is XFS |
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| 19:39.19 | DevilChaos | silly question i know but thought it would be quicker to ask |
| 19:39.21 | Knight_Lord | Ries horribly slow deleting stuff though |
| 19:39.40 | d03boy | has anyone ever used process dashboard? I am going to punch the creator in the face |
| 19:40.13 | Ries | Knight_Lord: I though that they solved the delete problem already..... I have used XFS in the past when it was still experimental... |
| 19:40.14 | DevilChaos | any here play klotzki im addicted |
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| 19:40.51 | Eulex | FliesLikeABrick, that looks like a hardware failure |
| 19:40.54 | stew | DevilChaos: http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode |
| 19:41.03 | DevilChaos | cheers stew |
| 19:41.26 | Knight_Lord | Ries i think the delete thing was a design decision. It's not unusable, but much slower than others when deleting stuff. But as i'm more worried with creation i think it's a good design |
| 19:41.32 | kristalino | please help me i can't do CTRL-ALT-Fxx on the keyboard |
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| 19:41.50 | meriad | steW: well I changed the refresh we'll see what happens after a reboot |
| 19:41.51 | vincent` | how can you generate a .config file from an existing compiled kernel ? |
| 19:41.58 | stew | meriad: why are you rebooting? |
| 19:42.07 | Eulex | vincent`, look in /boot/config* |
| 19:42.07 | meriad | stew- i hae to |
| 19:42.16 | stew | meriad: new kerenl? |
| 19:42.18 | meriad | stew: when i plug an external video source |
| 19:42.22 | chorse | vincent`, they are stored in /boot, just copy them |
| 19:42.23 | meriad | stew: my laptop locks it screen |
| 19:42.27 | Ries | Knight_Lord: I always liked.... running it on my deb system... |
| 19:42.28 | meriad | stew: and only relinquishes control after a reboot |
| 19:42.32 | meriad | stew: so the terminal displays nothing |
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| 19:42.37 | vincent` | Eulex: of course, what if it doesn't exist, is it possible to generate one from an already compiled kernel ? |
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| 19:43.07 | stew | meriad: video source? like what? |
| 19:43.10 | meriad | stew: other than that, im aware that linux doesnt really need to be rebooted for anything but a new kernel compilation |
| 19:43.12 | meriad | stew: like my monitor |
| 19:43.15 | Eulex | vincent`, no. if it doesn't exist, you haven't compiled the kernel the debian way, which you imho should do |
| 19:43.20 | meriad | stew: trust me :> |
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| 19:43.35 | Eulex | vincent`, debian stock kernels do provide such files, btw |
| 19:43.39 | meriad | stew: and changing the refresh down to 75 did absolutely nothing |
| 19:43.47 | meriad | stew: i still get the black screen of nothingnes |
| 19:43.47 | vincent` | Eulex: just trying to get the config of the stock kernel on amd64 installer |
| 19:43.51 | meriad | stew: and yet again another reboot |
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| 19:43.56 | stew | meriad: why? |
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| 19:44.00 | stew | meriad: why reboot this time? |
| 19:44.06 | meriad | stew: because it locks my screen |
| 19:44.07 | stew | meriad: and what refresh rate is it running? |
| 19:44.08 | meriad | stew: i cant get a terminal |
| 19:44.11 | meriad | stew: ora nything |
| 19:44.12 | stew | meriad: hit ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:44.17 | meriad | stew: i know about ctrl alt f1 |
| 19:44.20 | meriad | stwe: ive been using unix for years |
| 19:44.23 | meriad | stew: this isnt my second day |
| 19:44.24 | meriad | stew: heh |
| 19:44.30 | meriad | unix like os's |
| 19:44.31 | meriad | rather. |
| 19:44.34 | Eulex | vincent`, umh. that kernel shouldn't be used anywhere else than in the installer. |
| 19:44.36 | stew | meriad: you never told me before that it was crashing |
| 19:44.41 | meriad | stew: heh |
| 19:44.44 | meriad | stew: it doesnt crash it locks up |
| 19:44.54 | stew | meriad: what is the difference between crashing and locking up? |
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| 19:45.16 | Ries | Knight_Lord: I cannot find out if it's SATA, the server sit's about 5000KM from here... |
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| 19:45.51 | Knight_Lord | Ries ok :-) |
| 19:45.56 | meriad | stew; ok let me explain, when X starts I get a black screen, I cant get out of that black screen with any of the common escape sequences crtl alt f1, crtl backspace, crtl tab or anything, thus I cant get a prompt, I cant kill it, and so I have to reboot, effectively this is identical to a lockup, or a crash as far as im concerned since both result in generally the same symptoms. |
| 19:46.17 | Ries | but when apache and/or mysql pulls the wires then I see high iowait's, so it must be disl |
| 19:46.21 | Knight_Lord | Ries are you running NFS of it or something? |
| 19:46.26 | Ries | nope |
| 19:46.40 | stew | meriad: is the machine pingable? can you ssh to it? |
| 19:46.56 | Knight_Lord | Ries what kernel version? |
| 19:46.57 | Ries | Knight_Lord: I have a 3ware storage controller |
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| 19:47.11 | Ries | Knight_Lord: 2.6.9 |
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| 19:47.21 | Knight_Lord | Ries is that a vanilla kernel? |
| 19:47.22 | meriad | stew: heh, i havent really tried, i fail to see the point |
| 19:47.31 | Eulex | Knight_Lord, it's not. |
| 19:47.31 | meriad | stew: how is a ping going to give my control of my terminal |
| 19:47.32 | Ries | Knight_Lord: yup, no patches |
| 19:47.34 | meriad | stew: once the screen is blanked |
| 19:47.35 | meriad | stew: heh |
| 19:47.38 | Knight_Lord | Ries ok |
| 19:47.43 | Eulex | Ries, really? |
| 19:47.45 | DevilChaos | ttfn |
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| 19:47.50 | stew | meriad: if you could ssh to it you could stop and restart x without having to reboot |
| 19:47.56 | meriad | stew: ogh |
| 19:47.57 | meriad | stew: heh |
| 19:47.58 | Ries | Eulex: as var as I can see.... :) |
| 19:47.59 | meriad | stew: good point :) |
| 19:48.05 | meriad | stew: i'll try that |
| 19:48.15 | meriad | stew: i think i have to install sshd first thoguh |
| 19:48.15 | stew | meriad: and you could run things like xdpyinfo / xrandr |
| 19:48.16 | Knight_Lord | Ries if you can reboot the machine it might be worth to give the latest kernel a try. |
| 19:48.21 | meriad | stew unless its prepackaged with deb |
| 19:48.27 | Knight_Lord | Ries is this the first time you encounter problem? For how long has it been running? |
| 19:48.27 | FarrisG | Eulex: I'm trying apt-cache. It mostly works, but for some reason, one of my boxes won't automatically satisfy dependencies: |
| 19:48.30 | Ries | I can but not now.... |
| 19:48.32 | meriad | stew: ya that would giv eme a huge advantage |
| 19:48.34 | rasp1 | why would a module that was loaded for a Intel Gige nic, not show as a valid adapter |
| 19:48.37 | rvsjoen | i've recently set up a local repository on a server, but it keeps bugging me for verification. How can I create a gpg key ? |
| 19:48.47 | stew | meriad: what refresh rate / resolution is your xserver starting with? |
| 19:48.48 | Eulex | Ries, umh, sorry, just /me who is tired. confusing vanilla with debian stock. hrmph. |
| 19:48.54 | meriad | stew; 1024x768 |
| 19:49.00 | FarrisG | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/454433 |
| 19:49.01 | meriad | brb |
| 19:49.02 | Eulex | FarrisG, hmm? |
| 19:49.03 | meriad | someone needs help with apache |
| 19:49.03 | Ries | Knight_Lord: no, it's not the first time I have seen it, it's just that we ignored to prob untill we started to pull the disks a bit more... |
| 19:49.12 | Ries | Eulex: no prob.... |
| 19:49.19 | stew | he's never going to tell me what refresh rate he's running, been asking for 2 days now |
| 19:49.36 | Knight_Lord | Ries it's likely that your problem is related to the ones on the bug report then |
| 19:49.38 | FarrisG | Eulex: If I try the same thing, but remove the proxy info, it'll go ahead and satisfy those two deps |
| 19:49.41 | stew | the closest i've gotten is 50-100 |
| 19:49.50 | Ries | Knight_Lord: yup.... ok |
| 19:50.06 | Ries | I try a new kernel this weekend when the server is not that active.... |
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| 19:50.13 | Ries | we run +300 sites on this one |
| 19:50.13 | rasp1 | dmesg shows the module loaded, but not eth adapters are present(tried 0, 1 , 2) |
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| 19:50.24 | Knight_Lord | Ries my only suggestion it to go through the bug reports and try all the suggestions they give. There's no easy solution. As i said i changed to software raid because of this stupid bug |
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| 19:50.42 | Eulex | FarrisG, hmm. seems like you have a really old sarge (when it was testing, that is) on that machine. you should dist-upgrade with aptitude to sarge. |
| 19:50.46 | Ries | Knight_Lord: yeaaaa.. not sure if we can do that at this point..... |
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| 19:51.04 | Ries | Knight_Lord: I whish I could change the card actually :) |
| 19:51.10 | Eulex | FarrisG, could be a really old sid too |
| 19:51.12 | Knight_Lord | Ries some of the suggestion are not too disruptive |
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| 19:51.36 | Knight_Lord | Ries like comments 275 |
| 19:51.57 | Ries | checking.... |
| 19:52.05 | Eulex | FarrisG, it's not strange that it's failing. |
| 19:52.07 | Knight_Lord | Ries or comment 264 |
| 19:52.13 | kingrayray | so um.. how do i get ati drivers working, if the kernel packages have DRM enabled? |
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| 19:53.02 | kingrayray | er |
| 19:53.03 | kingrayray | brb |
| 19:53.04 | Eulex | FarrisG, what does apt-cache policy libc6 say? (version installed, that is) |
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| 19:53.34 | Eulex | !woody->sarge |
| 19:53.45 | Eulex | hmm? |
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| 19:53.59 | kristalino | how to reinstall all packages already installed in the system ? |
| 19:54.06 | Eulex | !woody->sarge |
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| 19:54.10 | FarrisG | Eulex: I think I figured it out |
| 19:54.28 | Eulex | FarrisG, ok |
| 19:54.34 | stew | kristalino: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 19:54.39 | john_doe | what is the alternative to update-rc.d called? sysvcfg or something? |
| 19:54.51 | kristalino | stew, ok |
| 19:55.04 | Eulex | woody->sarge works when I privmsg dpkg, but not in the main channel (!?) |
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| 19:55.38 | stew | !services |
| 19:55.38 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 19:55.40 | sniperjo | hi all |
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| 19:55.51 | stew | !+woody->sarge |
| 19:55.52 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 19:56.04 | Eulex | stew, hmm, why this? |
| 19:56.08 | stew | no idea |
| 19:56.15 | sniperjo | for some reason i cant do lpstat on my debian |
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| 19:56.28 | abrotman | Eulex: it's a bug with the -> parsing or something |
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| 19:56.36 | Eulex | abrotman, heh, ok |
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| 19:56.41 | shark_ | hello |
| 19:56.43 | stew | sniperjo: why not? |
| 19:56.46 | dave__ | just added 4post usb pci card via chipset uhci on sparc -- not working any ideas? |
| 19:56.51 | shark_ | anyone already seen this message?? ---> Too many heap sections: Increase MAXHINCR or MAX_HEAP_SECTS |
| 19:57.08 | sniperjo | stew: i dont know you tell me, it says "command not found" |
| 19:57.10 | stew | sniperjo: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:57.45 | sozah | hi, are there any utilities such as daemon tools(virtual cd emulator for windows) available for debian? |
| 19:58.03 | valdyn | sozah: yep |
| 19:58.10 | Eulex | sozah, it's built in. you can mount an iso on a loopback device. |
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| 19:58.27 | sozah | oh cool, sorry i don't know how though ^_^ |
| 19:58.29 | sniperjo | stew: do you have any ideas, i have cupsys |
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| 19:58.52 | abrotman | !find bin/lpstat |
| 19:59.02 | danielito | Hello |
| 19:59.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lpstat' (1): (/usr/bin/lpstat) in net/cupsys-client,net/lprng. |
| 19:59.14 | valdyn | sozah: mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/samewhere will mount and also make that iso available like a 'real' cd somewhere at /dev/loop/x |
| 19:59.15 | stew | sniperjo: /msg dpkg apt-file ; apt-file search lpstat ; that will tell you what package you need to install |
| 19:59.28 | sniperjo | stew: ok thanks |
| 19:59.29 | sozah | thanks |
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| 19:59.48 | shark_ | anyone already seen this message?? ---> Too many heap sections: Increase MAXHINCR or MAX_HEAP_SECTS |
| 20:00.05 | stew | shark_: yeah i saw it a few minutes ago when you last pasted it |
| 20:00.11 | Eulex | shark_, when, where, how? |
| 20:00.21 | sniperjo | stew: there is no apt-file :| |
| 20:00.27 | shark_ | Eulex, could you help increasing those thing please ? |
| 20:00.29 | Eulex | sniperjo, install it |
| 20:00.43 | stew | sniperjo: did you /msg dpkg apt-file? |
| 20:01.05 | dave__ | new 4 port usb pci card not working any ideas |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | load up some modules! |
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| 20:02.19 | MrBallZ | hi |
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| 20:02.58 | Eulex | shark_, run ulimit |
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| 20:03.08 | MrBallZ | question: how can i write special ascii caracters , in windorks its just presing ALT + ### the combination of numbers of the caracter i want to print ... I have kde 3.3 and Sarge |
| 20:03.12 | shark_ | Eulex, oki thx |
| 20:03.30 | shark_ | Eulex, return this --> unlimited |
| 20:03.30 | xspider_ | hello i have installed Debian 3.1 ( Sarge ) and i have ubuntu install-cd. Can i install gnome2.12 from ubuntu cd to debian on my hdd? |
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| 20:03.51 | eheil | I don't believe so. |
| 20:04.01 | stew | xspider_: no |
| 20:04.05 | abrotman | xspider_: don't |
| 20:04.10 | xspider_ | okz |
| 20:04.11 | Eulex | shark_, dunno problem then |
| 20:04.19 | shark_ | Eulex, i would like to increase those value |
| 20:04.24 | samuel | xspider_, why not get gnome from experimental? though it would mean using sid |
| 20:04.25 | stew | xspider_: it won't be compatible with the libraries on sarge |
| 20:04.25 | shark_ | Eulex, do you know what can i do ? |
| 20:04.31 | Eulex | shark_, unlimited+1? ;) |
| 20:04.39 | shark_ | Eulex, haha that's an idea |
| 20:04.45 | shark_ | Eulex, i though about recompiling kernel |
| 20:04.46 | samuel | whats wrong with gnome 2.10 though? |
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| 20:04.55 | shark_ | Eulex, i also heard linux 2.6 should handle it well why it doesnt |
| 20:05.05 | eheil | the only thing taht Ubuntu and Debian has in common is that they use the dpkg suite of tools. Other than that, they aren't compatiable. |
| 20:05.05 | sonorous | hi, I am running Deb Sarge, and have installed BIND9 to only listen on localhost. However, non-cached hosts take ages (well, 4-5s) to resolve |
| 20:05.06 | stew | samuel: please don't recommend experimental / sid to people unless you are going to support them yourself |
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| 20:05.09 | sonorous | any ideas? |
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| 20:05.12 | pattieja | hello |
| 20:05.24 | samuel | stew, okok, sorry |
| 20:05.41 | pattieja | anybody know if ie6 will run under the current version of wine available in 'unstable'? I can't seem to get it installed |
| 20:05.53 | samuel | pattieja, yes, get winetools |
| 20:05.54 | sniperjo_ | stew: how long should it take to come back ? |
| 20:06.07 | pattieja | samuel, I downloaded those. What do I do with them? |
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| 20:06.32 | stew | sniperjo_: 5-10 seconds maybe? |
| 20:06.43 | Eulex | shark_, http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/mansec?1+ulimit and search for heap. |
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| 20:06.54 | abrotman | sonorous: bad hints file? |
| 20:06.55 | samuel | pattieja, use wt2 to install all the deps of ie6 |
| 20:07.05 | abrotman | sonorous: is the first DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf actually valid ? |
| 20:07.18 | Eulex | shark_, specifically, ulimit -d |
| 20:07.19 | sniperjo_ | stew: ok nothing is comming back ?! |
| 20:07.21 | shark_ | Eulex, oki |
| 20:07.29 | stew | sniperjo_: you must not be running debian then |
| 20:07.53 | shark_ | [shark@localhost ~]$ ulimit -d |
| 20:07.53 | shark_ | unlimited |
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| 20:07.55 | sniperjo_ | errrr ok i am running the command on the debian sys right |
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| 20:08.05 | stew | sniperjo_: are you sure you read /msg dpkg apt-file? |
| 20:08.07 | Eulex | shark_, then I really dunno |
| 20:08.40 | shark_ | Eulex, thanks anyway |
| 20:09.37 | pattieja | thanks, samuel |
| 20:09.42 | abrotman | !tell sniperjo[A] about away |
| 20:09.48 | samuel | pattieja, np |
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| 20:11.01 | sonorous | hi there: I am running Deb Sarge, and have installed BIND9 to only listen on localhost. However, non-cached hosts take ages (well, 4-5s) to resolve |
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| 20:11.17 | shark_ | do you know a command that show memory consumation of a specific process please ? |
| 20:11.20 | pattieja | samuel, wow, this is pretty neat! |
| 20:11.30 | sonorous | I think this has something to do with BIND 9.2.x and IPv6 - anyone have a solution? |
| 20:11.33 | pattieja | IE6 is just installing by itself |
| 20:11.49 | samuel | pattieja, if you have office you can get ti to run nicely with wine too! |
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| 20:12.16 | pattieja | samuel, excellent. Do you know if Outlook 2003 works? |
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| 20:12.20 | abrotman | sonorous: bad hints file? |
| 20:12.21 | abrotman | sonorous: is the first DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf actually valid ? |
| 20:12.24 | abrotman | are you blind? |
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| 20:13.27 | stew | shark_: ps can tell you how much memory a process is usin |
| 20:13.33 | samuel | pattieja, i guess, if its part of office, but whats wrong with evolution? |
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| 20:13.55 | Nostur | hi, |
| 20:14.07 | sonorous | abrotman: nope, hints is up-to-date as far as I can tell, and first line of resolv.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 etc |
| 20:14.15 | Nostur | hi, i tried acpi=off noapci nopci, but neither works |
| 20:14.26 | sonorous | abrotman: sorry! |
| 20:14.29 | abrotman | sonorous: is there a second line ? |
| 20:14.36 | sonorous | abrotman: no |
| 20:14.43 | abrotman | might be a good thing to add :) |
| 20:14.50 | sonorous | add what? |
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| 20:15.19 | abrotman | sonorous: you want your dns server to always go straight the ROOT if it can't find it ? |
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| 20:15.31 | abrotman | err straight to root |
| 20:15.45 | abrotman | sonorous: also #dns might have a good idea or two |
| 20:15.59 | abrotman | sonorous: you can also update your hints file if you want |
| 20:16.18 | sonorous | abrotman: I thought /etc/resolv.conf just told my machine what to use as a resolving nameserver, in which case I have specified localhost, and yes, my BIND will go straight to the root servers if it isn't already cached |
| 20:16.19 | happy_broccoli | anyone use debian nagios install |
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| 20:16.39 | RichiH | can i tell apt-get that certain sources do not _need_ a key signature? |
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| 20:16.49 | Nostur | hi, i tried acpi=off noapci nopci, but neither works, cananyone help me? |
| 20:16.58 | levander | someone can tell me how the scripts in /etc/cron.daily get run? |
| 20:17.01 | abrotman | RichiH: i think it's either all or none |
| 20:17.05 | shark_ | stew: ps only show me a % |
| 20:17.05 | FarrisG | is there any way to throttle/governor the transfer speed of an apt-get? |
| 20:17.05 | RichiH | bleh |
| 20:17.11 | abrotman | RichiH: ask a real DD! |
| 20:17.21 | RichiH | marillat needs a signed gpg key ;) |
| 20:17.22 | abrotman | levander: from the system crontab |
| 20:17.26 | abrotman | he has one |
| 20:17.27 | abrotman | !marillat key |
| 20:17.28 | dpkg | If you are using apt > 0.6, and it's complaining about missing marillat's key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 20:17.39 | abrotman | RichiH: like that ? |
| 20:17.49 | Nostur | :P |
| 20:17.55 | stew | shark_: change what its showing you with -o ; man ps |
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| 20:18.01 | RichiH | oi :) |
| 20:18.04 | shark_ | stew, oki thanks |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | RichiH: and actually .. i think it says about it on the front page |
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| 20:18.19 | levander | abrotman: when you say the "system's", you mean root's crontab? |
| 20:18.25 | RichiH | abrotman: do you know how often i visit that page? |
| 20:18.30 | Eulex | FarrisG, look at the iprelay and wondershaper packages. |
| 20:18.32 | abrotman | levander: yes |
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| 20:18.36 | abrotman | RichiH: 5 years ago ? |
| 20:18.37 | anarcat | hey there |
| 20:18.44 | Eulex | FarrisG, not used any of them myself, though |
| 20:18.47 | anarcat | how do I rerun the 'main-menu' installation ? |
| 20:18.52 | anarcat | ..dialog... |
| 20:18.58 | idis | levander: /etc/crontab ... |
| 20:18.59 | levander | abrotman: well, i just looked at root's crontab, it's not in there |
| 20:19.00 | anarcat | i know about base-config, but I want to repartition stuff and all |
| 20:19.07 | anarcat | is the program installed along with the rest? |
| 20:19.09 | abrotman | levander: are you sure? |
| 20:19.12 | anarcat | or is it only on the install cd? |
| 20:19.21 | levander | idis: thanks, it's in /etc/crontab |
| 20:19.24 | levander | thanks abrotman |
| 20:19.25 | abrotman | levander: vi /etc/crontab |
| 20:19.36 | RichiH | abrotman: like 1 year |
| 20:19.37 | Nostur | i have kernel 2.4, installing deb, i tried acpi=off noapci noacpi, neither works, cna anyone tell me how to avoid detecting pci?? |
| 20:19.48 | levander | abrotman: i thought you meant /var/spool/cron/root, but i got it now, thanks |
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| 20:20.32 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 20:20.34 | abrotman | RichiH: ah ok |
| 20:20.51 | abrotman | Nostur: debconf/priority=medium .. i think .. i think i said that a while ago too |
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| 20:21.08 | ravigehlot | Is there a free DVD tool available and easy to install through apt-get ??? |
| 20:21.11 | sifi | How do I read: /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.gz |
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| 20:21.25 | Eulex | sifi, zcat |
| 20:21.37 | Nostur | abrotman: but what to do with it? iam installing, and i cant boot to install it from HW, when i previously copied all from CD |
| 20:21.51 | Eulex | sifi, zcat /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.gz | less |
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| 20:22.02 | sifi | Eulex, thx, why less? |
| 20:22.15 | sifi | Eulex, ah |
| 20:22.19 | idis | sifi: Eulex zless |
| 20:22.25 | Lohst | hi, well i want to learn debian, but i MUST first install it on an older pc, for testing purposes. i couldn't find much info on the web about a "minimal setup" for debian. i'd greatly appreciate some tips or doc. sources |
| 20:22.49 | sifi | idis: =) |
| 20:22.50 | ravigehlot | Is there a free DVD tool available and easy to install through apt-get ??? |
| 20:23.07 | Eulex | idis, oh, didn't know that there existed a "short-cut" to it |
| 20:23.08 | abrotman | tool for what ? |
| 20:23.12 | predius_ | ravigehlot: dvd authoring, you mean? |
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| 20:23.31 | idis | Eulex: from gzip package that is |
| 20:23.45 | poop | Lohst: There's a minimal "server" install option. |
| 20:24.01 | dave__ | scanpci does not report new hardware added |
| 20:24.05 | dave__ | any ideas?? |
| 20:24.06 | bizkit | on a current debian testing, just after a fresh install, what do i need to get my ~/.profile executed when i login on a local tty? (=login shell) i use bash and the profile is +x |
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| 20:24.17 | predius_ | Lohst: you could install using the business card CD, or the slightly larger netinstall. |
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| 20:24.34 | stew | !wikifaq bizkit DotFiles |
| 20:24.34 | dpkg | bizkit: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:24.40 | stew | bizkit: i think its covered there ^^^ |
| 20:25.01 | vincent` | has anyone installed debian on a sil 3124 sata card ? |
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| 20:25.16 | bizkit | stew: hehe, check the first link.. |
| 20:25.38 | sniperjo_ | hi can anyone tell me what program i need to run lpstat |
| 20:25.41 | Lohst | predius_: tried :( the netinstall won't work because i'm using a pppoe-adsl connection. the bootable floppy holds no support for that |
| 20:25.42 | the_g0d | Lohst: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ is a good starting point |
| 20:25.47 | stew | bizkit: woah, ok i guess not :) |
| 20:25.54 | predius_ | Lohst: the netinstall cd? |
| 20:26.02 | ravigehlot | :q |
| 20:26.04 | ravigehlot | quit |
| 20:26.21 | stew | bizkit: do you also have a .bash_profile? |
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| 20:26.44 | stew | tarzeau: the wiki loks icky |
| 20:26.48 | stew | looks* |
| 20:26.49 | Invisible_Man | Anyone care to help with me a prophet abrotman tome me to run command "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager ealier to load Console on boot.. Now when I type startx it bring up gnome how do I change it to KDE? |
| 20:26.54 | bizkit | stew: well however i know bash and the resource and profile dotfiles. and i know that i need a login shell to get the profiles executed, on nologin only the bashrc gets read |
| 20:26.54 | predius_ | uhhh. |
| 20:26.59 | predius_ | what happened to the wiki? |
| 20:27.04 | idis | bizkit: also man bash /INVOCATION should help |
| 20:27.14 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:27.15 | bizkit | idis: i've read that |
| 20:27.18 | pattieja | samuel, I'm using evolution now, from unstable, and it crashes quite a bit. Also, it seems to "lose sight" of e-mail messages, which don't come back until you close evolution and restart it. |
| 20:27.22 | licued2 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7203336538#ebayphotohosting |
| 20:27.28 | sniperjo_ | hi can anyone tell me what program i need to run lpstat |
| 20:27.29 | Nostur | abrotman: can u answer me? |
| 20:27.29 | stew | bizkit: if you have both a .bash_profile and a .profile i believe on the .bash_profile will get executed |
| 20:27.29 | Lohst | i guess my equipment isn't as up to date as it could be. so the netinstall cd has the pppoe support. that's great. |
| 20:27.53 | abrotman | Nostur: i did didn't i ? |
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| 20:28.10 | samuel | pattieja, odd, im on sid and have no problems what so ever with evolution |
| 20:28.29 | Eulex | Lohst, only requirement afaik is 32mb ram and 300-400mb hd space to at least get something remotely useful. |
| 20:28.44 | Nostur | abrotman:debconf/priority=medium this is what u told me, but i dont know what to do, because i cant boot from harddisk |
| 20:29.01 | pattieja | samuel, are you running it with the Exchange connector? |
| 20:29.16 | sniperjo_ | hi can anyone tell me what program i need to run lpstat |
| 20:29.19 | pattieja | and attempting to do contacts lookups against Exchange? |
| 20:29.39 | bizkit | stew: in this order on a login shell: /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, ~/.profile |
| 20:29.40 | stew | sniperjo_: did you get any errors when you ran apt-file update? |
| 20:30.09 | sniperjo_ | stew"no command apt-file" |
| 20:30.20 | Invisible_Man | How do I change what X-Window Manager loads up when I type startx? |
| 20:30.26 | samuel | pattieja, no, just IMAP, sorry, cant help you there |
| 20:30.27 | predius_ | sniperjo_: apt-get install apt-file |
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| 20:30.30 | klync | the apt-howto refers to apt-show-versions, which is not on my system... how can i find installed pkgs from testing or unstable? |
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| 20:30.44 | Lohst | Eulex: so where could i find, like, a list of the essential packages that are needed for debian to work at all ? |
| 20:30.44 | vincent` | Invisible_Man: /home/user/.xinitrc |
| 20:31.09 | idis | bizkit: but only first found of last 3 |
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| 20:31.20 | marf | hi everyone |
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| 20:31.22 | the_g0d | Lohst: the cd provides basic pkgs, from there you install what you like |
| 20:31.22 | stew | sniperjo_: ok, nm i thought that you had read /msg dpkg apt-file since i told you to multiple times. you also told me that you had run apt-file but it didnt' return any results, so i'm not going to bother anymore |
| 20:31.24 | Usiu | Hi |
| 20:31.33 | pattieja | samuel, I'm trying to install IE so I can have a semi-decent Exchange client under Linux. |
| 20:31.40 | Usiu | How to print pdf two pages on on page of a4 ? |
| 20:31.43 | abrotman | Nostur: that's what you do when you are instaling it .. where are you stuck ? |
| 20:31.48 | Invisible_Man | vincent`, I don't ahve that file |
| 20:31.55 | vincent` | create it then |
| 20:31.55 | sniperjo_ | stew: ok i am sorry, i miss understood |
| 20:32.01 | pattieja | samuel, from the codeweavers site, it doesn't seem like people have gotten Outlook 2003 working, yet. |
| 20:32.05 | vincent` | add 'exec /usr/bin/windowsmanager' to it |
| 20:32.12 | Lohst | oh. well thanks a lot, this'll probably solve everything |
| 20:32.25 | klync | pattieja: i was using the outlook web access with galeon yesterday, and it was amazingly functional, if that suits your needs |
| 20:32.26 | Lohst | have a nice day! |
| 20:32.29 | Nostur | aabrotman: i copy files off the CD, install grub, then i have to reboot, i reboot, kernel starts loading, it detects pci and then Phuk off me |
| 20:32.30 | abrotman | Nostur: i'll bbiab .. concall |
| 20:32.36 | Usiu | is there any program that can do that ? |
| 20:32.46 | samuel | pattieja, sorry, cant help you there, i do know outlook express works just fine though |
| 20:33.04 | Nostur | abrotman: bbiab? |
| 20:33.05 | Invisible_Man | Vincent`, so make that file and add that one line? |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | !bbiab |
| 20:33.08 | dpkg | from memory, bbiab is be back in a bit |
| 20:33.11 | bucky | sniperjo_, lprng or cups-client depending on if you're using lpr or cups |
| 20:33.24 | Nostur | nice |
| 20:33.26 | Nostur | ok |
| 20:33.55 | idis | Usiu: you have to look for a2ps, pstops, or psnup |
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| 20:34.16 | pattieja | klync, can you change viewed status of messages? |
| 20:34.19 | Usiu | idis, but its a pdf |
| 20:35.06 | xiaogil | How to solve that kind of error: /home/gilles/Desktop/usbvision/src/usbvision.c:3134: error: storage size of 'tun_addr' isn't known ? |
| 20:35.09 | idis | Usiu: hope I'm not wrong, but pdf is a subset of ps |
| 20:35.20 | klync | pattieja: i wasn't doing that in bulk, but messages i'd read did get marked as such on the server |
| 20:36.07 | Usiu | idis, after I installed texlive (I need it for chemistry) I had problem... gs gnome-gv doesnt display ps |
| 20:36.15 | anarcat | any eta for an official amd64 port? |
| 20:36.18 | klync | the apt-howto refers to apt-show-versions, which is not on my system... how can i find installed pkgs from testing or unstable, dpkg doesn't seem to let me |
| 20:36.20 | anarcat | or is it just "etch"? |
| 20:36.25 | Usiu | idis, I mean I dont have tex only livetex |
| 20:36.41 | Usiu | idis, only gpdf and acroread works.. |
| 20:36.43 | poop | anarcat: Multiply $reasonable by your favorite number |
| 20:36.44 | Invisible_Man | vincent`, So I make what file.. and what is suppose to be in that file to start KDE when I type "startx" |
| 20:36.46 | stew | anarcat: "etch" |
| 20:36.47 | Combatjuan | I'm having trouble beating apt into working. I can't get apt-get -f install to fix things. dpkg --configure -a made things a little nicer, but I still can't remove this broken OpenOffice.org package. How do I manually destroy it? |
| 20:36.52 | kreg_dcdi | can thunderbird connect to a m$-exchange server? |
| 20:36.52 | anarcat | stew, thanks |
| 20:36.54 | poop | (> 3) |
| 20:37.03 | pattieja | klync, right, but can you change the status back to unread in your browser (i.e., not IE)? |
| 20:37.13 | stew | anarcat: there is an amd64 release /msg dpkg amd64 ; but its not official |
| 20:37.17 | idis | Usiu: Sorry, but I couldn't help on tex... all I know is there is pdf2ps so pdf could be understood as a subset of ps |
| 20:37.21 | Combatjuan | The first error I get is "update-xmlcatalog: error: entity not registered". |
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| 20:37.28 | anarcat | stew, i know, i'm running on it now :) |
| 20:37.32 | [c]knoppix | Where are the majority of programs kept on debian? like, which folder... |
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| 20:37.40 | bucky | anarcat, there is a #debian-amd64 and this works pretty good https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 20:37.40 | anarcat | stew, not official means no security.debian.org, right? |
| 20:37.46 | vincent` | Invisible_Man: well that file tells x what commands to execute when it starts, so have it execute your window manager /usr/bin/whatever |
| 20:37.51 | stew | [c]knoppix: "dpkg -L packagename" will tell you what files a package installs |
| 20:37.51 | klync | pattieja: if i was at home right now, i'd double check for you... but galeon is based on mozilla, so if you have owa, i'd give it a try before fiddling with exchange connectors |
| 20:37.53 | Combatjuan | Isn't there a way to force remove all the files associated with a package that aren't depended on by something else? |
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| 20:38.12 | klync | pattieja: owa never used to work with any non-ie browser, that I remember, so i was a bit shocked yesterday |
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| 20:38.28 | idis | Usiu: now there are many ways to generate pdf, and some turn to garbage that only renders graphically, i.e. text present as graphic, not as text anymore |
| 20:38.29 | stew | Combatjuan: "dpkg -r packagename" if you also want to remove the config files for that packages "dpkg -P packagename" |
| 20:38.36 | jdhutchin1 | Combatjuan, packages depend on each other, not files within other packages |
| 20:38.47 | [c]knoppix | 'packagename' not installed |
| 20:38.50 | Eulex | Combatjuan, deborphan? |
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| 20:38.58 | Eulex | [c]knoppix, no, pebkac |
| 20:39.04 | pattieja | klync, I've used Firefox against OWA, and I can't find that feature |
| 20:39.05 | Invisible_Man | vincent`, ok made that file and now GNOME looks me outta the file so I can't add anything lol |
| 20:39.38 | idis | Eulex: pebkac not installed =) |
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| 20:39.46 | klync | lol |
| 20:39.50 | [c]knoppix | ? |
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| 20:40.05 | londonboi2k3 | hi guys, can someone give me a hand installing ATI drivers on 2.6.14-2-686-smp please, thanks |
| 20:40.07 | klync | pattieja: k, sorry i guess that won't work |
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| 20:40.16 | SerajewelKS | do i need to restart dancer-ircd when changing I: lines? /rehash doesn't seem to be catching them. |
| 20:40.39 | Invisible_Man | vincent`, ok made the file now I went to console and typed exec /usr/bin/kdm does that sound right since I want kde? |
| 20:40.39 | bartden | hi, anyone here who knows an english howto for samba TNG |
| 20:41.03 | Eulex | idis, hehe, mostly not here either :) but sometimes I seem to get parts of it automatically installed in my brain. dunno how. |
| 20:41.05 | vyrus001 | bartden, what are you trying to do ? |
| 20:41.15 | [c]knoppix | My OS is 3 gigs, i'm trying to remove atleast 2 gigs of unwanted programs, how do i go about doing this? |
| 20:41.43 | poop | knoppix: aptitude |
| 20:41.51 | [c]knoppix | aptitude? |
| 20:42.00 | stew | [c]knoppix: substitude packagename for tha package you are interested in. if you are looking for an executable it will be install in /usr/bin or /bin executables for root in /sbin or /usr/sbin all packages install docs in /usr/share/doc... "/msg dpkg fhs" for an overfiew of your filesystem |
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| 20:42.04 | poop | yes |
| 20:42.05 | Eulex | [c]knoppix, apt-get remove what you don't need. use deborphan to clean up dangling depends. |
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| 20:42.34 | stew | [c]knoppix: don't remove programs individually, remove the packages which contain the programs |
| 20:42.54 | [c]knoppix | um, well, i'm trying to figure otu what a package is, what apt-get means, and theres alot of stuff i don't need. |
| 20:42.55 | seeds | hello how i can a usb device in debian? |
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| 20:43.04 | seeds | add a device |
| 20:43.19 | [c]knoppix | And i don't really know what is system important or not. |
| 20:43.31 | poop | knoppix: There are categories to help guide you. |
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| 20:43.43 | [c]knoppix | catagories where? |
| 20:43.45 | vyrus001 | my laptop is giveing me a grub 24 err, when i boot it. ive booted the laptop with sevral live cd's and atempted to run fsck on the root partition however each try gives me an error saying the "filesystem revision is to high for thisi version of fsck" , how do i fix this? tell me my partition isnt screwed?!? |
| 20:43.49 | klync | [c]knoppix: you might want to read the docs on debian.org |
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| 20:43.54 | poop | knoppix: aptitude |
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| 20:44.12 | bucky | [c]knoppix, #knoppix |
| 20:44.14 | [c]knoppix | where is aptitude? |
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| 20:44.32 | poop | knoppix: probably in your path, type it |
| 20:44.34 | [c]knoppix | #knoppix has not had a word said for almsot a whole day. |
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| 20:44.39 | bartden | vyrus001 i'm trying to set up a PDC , but i have some probs with samedit |
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| 20:44.53 | bucky | [c]knoppix, that |
| 20:44.55 | vyrus001 | bartden, pdc ? |
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| 20:45.05 | bartden | vyrus001 Primary domain controller |
| 20:45.09 | vyrus001 | ahh |
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| 20:45.10 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 20:45.10 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 20:45.11 | Invisible_Man | vincent`, I made .xinitrd file and when I added the line you said it said it was not found here is what I have in the file please tell me if I'm right or wrong |
| 20:45.13 | Invisible_Man | orcd3vil@orcd3vil:~$ cat kde |
| 20:45.13 | Invisible_Man | exec /usr/bin/kdm |
| 20:45.13 | Invisible_Man | orcd3vil@orcd3vil:~$ |
| 20:45.28 | Eulex | Invisible_Man, you was *one* from being kicked for flooding there |
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| 20:45.33 | goron | I have two network cards in my computer, and I have a Sweex router, but this router can't do traffic shaping, so how hard would it be to turn my Debian box into a traffic shaper? |
| 20:45.37 | bucky | [c]knoppix, that is because they all have 2G of unwanted software applications on their hard drives and they're trying to remove them |
| 20:45.45 | [c]knoppix | it's nto that they don't know, that's that no one is there, and it is debian based. |
| 20:45.53 | [c]knoppix | Lol. |
| 20:45.55 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 20:45.55 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 20:45.57 | vyrus001 | bartden, well if i had a mouse i would point u to the tutorials i found on the subject but sadly i do not |
| 20:46.13 | Roey | anyone using VServer? |
| 20:46.36 | bizkit | !anyone |
| 20:46.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:46.44 | Eulex | Invisible_Man, umh, one line... if you had pasted one more line there, you'd be kicked by debhelper. |
| 20:46.57 | mufa | hi, I have a dsl connection that doesn't start automatically. I run pppoeconf, answered all the questions, including yes to "do you want to automatically start at boot?". For some reason does not run the pon command. Any idea why? |
| 20:47.08 | bartden | vyrus001 if ypu are talking about googling, i already did tha |
| 20:47.09 | seeds | i guess there is a command i can use to enable the usb device |
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| 20:47.31 | Invisible_Man | Eulex, thnx for the tip |
| 20:47.33 | Combatjuan | Eulex, Sorry, got a tech support call. |
| 20:47.34 | _KonvIRC | OLA pessoal |
| 20:47.38 | bucky | mufa, do you really need a ppoe connection or just an ethernet connection to your router? |
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| 20:47.55 | Combatjuan | I do not have a program call deborphan in my path. |
| 20:48.03 | vyrus001 | bartden, like i said there out there but i have no mouse so i cant get to the links. i know 100% of the changes happen in your smb conf file |
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| 20:48.07 | Combatjuan | What's more, I can't install one since apt-get is broken. |
| 20:48.10 | bizkit | mufa: check if ppp_on_boot exists and is executable in /etc/ppp |
| 20:48.44 | vyrus001 | bartden, if i remember correctly its like one line that makes it a pdc, then a fiew others that point to a section of your hd that store the net acounts... from there the windows setup is pritty easy |
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| 20:48.53 | bizkit | mufa: however i don't have experience with the pppoeconf helper.. |
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| 20:49.08 | mufa | bizkit: yes I have and it is executable |
| 20:49.10 | Roey | bizkit: ;) |
| 20:49.27 | mufa | bucky: I need a pppoe connection |
| 20:49.31 | grumpydog | well debianers, thanks for the help given truly nice channel. |
| 20:49.35 | Roey | OK, I was wondering if vserver was going to be available for kernel 2.6.14.3. |
| 20:49.51 | stew | Combatjuan: how is apt-get broken? |
| 20:49.53 | bizkit | mufa: is there anything in /etc/default about ppp or pppoe? |
| 20:50.05 | bartden | vyrus001youre you remeber quite good, but thats not the problem, i have some probs with users and machine trusts and using the new samedit instead of smbpasswd (samba) |
| 20:50.07 | Invisible_Man | I'm set to boot to console upon starting up PC, when I trype StartX its loading Gnome how do I switch it to KDE? |
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| 20:50.20 | Combatjuan | I can't install or remove anything without getting the message that I need to run "apt-get -f install" |
| 20:50.32 | mufa | bizkit: nothing, but there is something about ppp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:50.35 | bizkit | mufa: are you running runlevel 2? check for the rc2.d script of ppp in /etc/rc2.d |
| 20:50.39 | Roey | Invisible_Man: make sure startkde is in your .xinitrc. |
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| 20:50.47 | Combatjuan | When I DO run apt-get -f install, I get a few error messages as it tries to get rid of openoffice.org. Is there a place I can dump my output? |
| 20:50.52 | Combatjuan | (It's only like 15 lines) |
| 20:50.55 | bizkit | mufa: well, check if there is an 'auto ppp' in there |
| 20:50.55 | Eulex | Combatjuan, what does it say more? (use paster to paste, don't paste right into the channel) |
| 20:51.03 | Erpo | Can someone help me out with a networking problem? I need an iptables rule that will drop all incoming reset packets. |
| 20:51.03 | vyrus001 | Invisible_Man, check your .xsession file |
| 20:51.11 | Roey | Invisible_Man: By default the system will launch Gnome; you can change that through your .xinitrc file. |
| 20:51.18 | Combatjuan | Eulex, Sorry, don't know how to use paster. |
| 20:51.22 | vulture | Erpo: why? |
| 20:51.27 | Eulex | !paster |
| 20:51.27 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 20:51.34 | vulture | Erpo: (no, not sure I could tell you how, just wondering why you'd want to do that) |
| 20:51.35 | mufa | bizkit: S14ppp |
| 20:51.42 | Invisible_Man | Roey, I have no .xinitrc file I was told to make one but don't know what to put into it |
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| 20:52.09 | mufa | bizkit: and yes, it is an auto ppp in /etc/network/interfaces (add by pppoeconf I guess) |
| 20:52.09 | Erpo | I strongly suspect that my ISP is detecting when I try to use bittorrent and injecting RST packets into the tcp streams. |
| 20:52.14 | vyrus001 | Invisible_Man, the window manager u want to run :P |
| 20:52.20 | Roey | Invisible_Man: 'startkde' |
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| 20:52.45 | bizkit | mufa: the interfaces method is the new one. using ppp_on_boot file is deprecated |
| 20:52.49 | Roey | Erpo: cox.. interesting. I wonder if Comcast behaves similarly. |
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| 20:53.12 | acodispo | All, I don't know how to access my windows hd, which is /dev/hda1, as a regular user. I've enabled the user option in fstab, but only su can access it once its mounted. |
| 20:53.13 | Invisible_Man | Roey, brb to test lets see |
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| 20:53.28 | mufa | bizkit: seems that I have them both |
| 20:54.12 | bizkit | mufa: how does the iface line for your dsl-provider look like? (in interfaces) |
| 20:54.13 | predius_ | acodispo: man fstab |
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| 20:54.45 | Pauleta | #ararangua |
| 20:54.49 | Combatjuan | Ok, finally got that pasted. |
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| 20:55.21 | Invisible_Man | Roey, thnx that worked I'm back to KDE :) |
| 20:55.30 | Roey | ;) |
| 20:55.34 | Roey | \o/ |
| 20:55.38 | Invisible_Man | Roey, got time for one more question? |
| 20:55.38 | acodispo | predius, I've read the man page, and as far as I can tell I am doing things right. |
| 20:55.51 | Erpo | acodispo: NTFS? |
| 20:56.02 | acodispo | Erp: Yep. |
| 20:56.02 | Eulex | Combatjuan, you don't seem to have selected #debian. what's the url to your paste? |
| 20:56.04 | Roey | Invisible_Man: how about me asking you a question now: doesn't the richness of KDE make you feel like Debian wasted their desktop vote? |
| 20:56.06 | predius_ | acodispo: can you paste your fstab in paste.debian.net? |
| 20:56.20 | Roey | Invisible_Man: ask away! |
| 20:56.22 | mufa | bizkit: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1245?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
| 20:56.24 | Combatjuan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 20:56.25 | Erpo | acodispo: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0 |
| 20:56.37 | Eulex | Combatjuan, to your paste, I said |
| 20:56.39 | stew | Eulex: paster no longer posts to the channel, it was being abused by gnaa |
| 20:56.44 | Invisible_Man | Roey, lol umm not sure its been a while since I used Linux |
| 20:56.53 | Eulex | stew, hmm |
| 20:56.54 | caphuso | by making sure that 1) the directory the file is located in is in $fpath and 2) you used an appropriate autoload command |
| 20:56.54 | acodispo | What is umask? I will try it. |
| 20:56.54 | Combatjuan | Excuse me http://channels.debian.net/paster/1244 |
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| 20:57.22 | bucky | Roey, i don't think Debian wasted their desktop vote, it was probably a motivating factor for Trolltech to get rid of SCO |
| 20:57.27 | bizkit | mufa: on which ethernet card is your modem connected? |
| 20:57.33 | bizkit | mufa: eth1? |
| 20:57.34 | mufa | bizkit: eth2 |
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| 20:57.40 | Eulex | Combatjuan, 404 not found (!?) |
| 20:57.45 | mufa | sal |
| 20:57.47 | Combatjuan | It is true that /etc/xml/openoffice.org.xml does not exist but that's not my doing. Instead there is a /etc/xml/openoffice.org.xml.old |
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| 20:57.57 | mufa | sorry, wrong windows |
| 20:58.00 | stew | Combatjuan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:58.08 | stew | Eulex: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1244 |
| 20:58.16 | Combatjuan | Yes, thanks stew |
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| 20:58.33 | Invisible_Man | Roey, I would like to recompile the kernel but reading the kernel.org file it says we shouldn't put in /usr/src but some debian website someone directed me to is saying to put there |
| 20:58.45 | jerome | bonjour, I have been looking all day for a nice way to provide service (https) failover under linux. I tried heartbeat and read about ucarp and vrrpd but actually those tools provide failover when the master box doesn't answer slave's heartbeat (packets in general). However, hardware is rarely failing more often than software. So, I'm still wondering about service failover. heartbeat+mon seems interesting but pretty harsh to set up. Any idea ? |
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| 20:58.58 | Combatjuan | stew: It's debian unstable. I was running testing for a while but I can never get kdevelop to work in testing so I destablized into unstable. If you think that it'd be easier for me to just run stable, I would consider that. |
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| 20:59.11 | bizkit | mufa: so the problem is, your ppp needs eth2 to be up and ready before it can run. so you have to add 'pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth2 up' after the 'provider dsl-provider' |
| 20:59.11 | Invisible_Man | Roey, so I don't know where to put the source, and since I'm going put 2.6.x so I don't know if all the packages are installed for the 2.6.x kernel |
| 20:59.14 | Combatjuan | But i always want to run just one or two bleeding edge things and then they break my stable. |
| 20:59.29 | stew | Combatjuan: have you checked the bts? |
| 20:59.38 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: install a debian kernel first |
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| 20:59.46 | bizkit | mufa: or perhaps just change the order in the interfaces file so that eth2 is up before ppp is setup |
| 20:59.52 | bucky | jerome, what do you want it to fall back to considering you do not want a slave? |
| 20:59.53 | Obiking | www.waiting-lady.net Is this device under Debian? |
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| 21:00.07 | Combatjuan | stew: bts? |
| 21:00.20 | stew | Combatjuan: /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 21:00.23 | Eulex | !btssmite Combatjuan |
| 21:00.43 | mufa | bizkit: where to add pre-up ? |
| 21:00.56 | vyrus001 | my laptop is giveing me a grub 24 err, when i boot it. ive booted the laptop with sevral live cd's and atempted to run fsck on the root partition however each try gives me an error saying the "filesystem revision is to high for thisi version of fsck" , how do i fix this? tell me my partition isnt screwed?!? |
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| 21:02.16 | bizkit | mufa: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1246 |
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| 21:02.23 | slummer | How do I get rid of this message when using apt-get..."WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 21:02.53 | Eulex | !apt secure |
| 21:02.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
| 21:02.55 | acodispo | All: This worked, thank you. Ta. |
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| 21:03.18 | slummer | Eulex: thanks. |
| 21:03.21 | mufa | bizkit: thank you |
| 21:04.15 | Combatjuan | It seems to me that the #debian folk a year ago preached unstable like it was the gospel. Why is unstable so heathen all of the sudden? Is it because Sarge was finally released? |
| 21:04.19 | bnoji | I've got 2 systems with Mondo installed and a single 80GB USB HDD. |
| 21:04.53 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, what you mean install a debian kernel 1sT? |
| 21:05.01 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: what is your cpu ? |
| 21:05.11 | Invisible_Man | P4 |
| 21:05.12 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: and are you on sarge or etch or sid ? |
| 21:05.17 | sobersabre | guys is there ppc debian channel ? |
| 21:05.19 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 21:05.20 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 21:05.22 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, P4, with Sarge installed |
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| 21:05.25 | sobersabre | [i remember there was |
| 21:05.30 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: and you're on a 2.4 right now ? |
| 21:05.40 | bizkit | Combatjuan: it depends on the time you're here and the others, its not #debian but some of the more active people in here.. however i always used sid and experimental for years and i like it :) |
| 21:05.56 | jerome | bucky: humpf ? Sorry, I might not explain my pb correctly. Actually, I want the slave to get resources when the service on the master is declared dead. Not when the master is not responding. Ie, when the soft fails not the hardware. |
| 21:05.59 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, yes I didn't see anywhere in the install to use 2.6.x |
| 21:06.01 | groogs | i need to migrate a system to a new set of IPs.. i'd like to have services listening on one set of IPs, and use iptables to be able to serve requests on the old IPs still.. is that possible/ |
| 21:06.02 | abrotman | Combatjuan: depending on what you're using .. sid can be very broken |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:06.12 | jerome | bucky: mon seemsto be the key to do so |
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| 21:06.21 | abrotman | groogs: #iptables |
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| 21:06.35 | Combatjuan | Thanks. |
| 21:06.38 | loopdee | !usb-storage |
| 21:06.38 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 21:06.39 | klync | i accidentally installed a pkg which sucked in a bunch of deps... what's the quickest way to clean it all out? |
| 21:06.58 | DevilChaos | any blackbox users here? |
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| 21:07.04 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, ok doing it now |
| 21:07.07 | bnoji | DevilChaos: I used to |
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| 21:07.18 | bnoji | havent used X in almost 6 months though |
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| 21:07.31 | idis | klync: consider using aptitude |
| 21:07.31 | ncrfgs | hi |
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| 21:07.33 | bizkit | DevilChaos: openbox :). you should try #blackbox |
| 21:07.38 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: when in doubt .. use apt-cache search |
| 21:07.42 | mufa | bizkit: a network restart seems to work. Thank you very much |
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| 21:07.57 | klync | idis: i've considered it... i like dselect... shouldn't've hit enter without double checking tho |
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| 21:08.07 | ncrfgs | could anyone help me with the mailing list archive? |
| 21:08.09 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, thnx I keep that in mind 100% new to debian I'm from Slackware.. You have to do everything yourself |
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| 21:08.21 | abrotman | !tell Invisible_Man about refcard |
| 21:08.24 | abrotman | !tell Invisible_Man about grounding |
| 21:08.25 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, so If I read this right it installed a kernel for me |
| 21:08.33 | RichiH | is there a way to see what iptables rules are older or will they always be listed by age? |
| 21:08.35 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: and hopefully configured your bootloader |
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| 21:08.53 | abrotman | RichiH: i thought always listed by age .. #iptables ? |
| 21:09.20 | loopdee | sda no medium found, sdb no medium found, hdc already mounted? |
| 21:09.26 | abrotman | sda1 ? |
| 21:09.31 | RichiH | abrotman: i think so , too |
| 21:09.33 | Nostur | abrotman: will u answer me now? |
| 21:09.36 | loopdee | ah |
| 21:09.38 | RichiH | but i need to be really, really sure |
| 21:09.39 | loopdee | sdc1 |
| 21:10.06 | loopdee | so i guess since i have a 3 in 1 reader, 1 is sda 2 is sdb and 3 is sdc .. |
| 21:10.26 | bizkit | loopdee: grep sd /proc/partitions |
| 21:10.26 | abrotman | Nostur: ? |
| 21:10.52 | abrotman | Nostur: are oyu still installing or is the system installed ? |
| 21:10.52 | loopdee | bizkit: sdc and sdc1 |
| 21:10.56 | idis | RichiH: are iptables rules not identified by line # of creation? |
| 21:10.57 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, ok I see it installed a kernel but lets say I need to recompile this kernel the question still remains where to put the kernel source? |
| 21:10.59 | Nostur | abrotman: still cant figure it out |
| 21:11.12 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: why do you *have* to recompile ? |
| 21:11.20 | abrotman | Nostur: i'm not sure which part you're stuck on |
| 21:11.23 | bizkit | loopdee: then try to mount /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:11.31 | RichiH | idis: yes. i just need to make really really sure :) |
| 21:11.33 | loopdee | bizkit: it worked |
| 21:11.39 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, if I need to I said, recompile would be for sound support, sata support, or nvidia video support etc |
| 21:11.39 | bizkit | !tell loopdee about usb-storage |
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| 21:11.56 | Nostur | abrotman: ok, so, i copied files from CD, now i have to reboot and get in linux, to continue install, but i cant get there, because of pci |
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| 21:12.02 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: what is your SATA controller, sound card and video card ? |
| 21:12.12 | abrotman | Nostur: do you ahve an error message ? |
| 21:12.34 | Invisible_Man | SATA is ICH5 (Intel i865PE Chip), Sound is Audigy 2 ZS, and Video is Nvidia 6800GT |
| 21:12.51 | Nostur | abrotman: yep, it ends please, use pci=biosirq, cant remember exactly btw. i tried the cmd, no success |
| 21:13.05 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: the sound and sata should be fine in 2.6.8 .. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner for your video |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | Nostur: afaik .. you should append that to your boot line |
| 21:13.40 | Nostur | abrotman: thats what i did |
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| 21:14.00 | abrotman | Nostur: did you try a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 21:14.35 | Nostur | abrotman: i use 2.4 because i didnt found net install cd with kernel 2.6 |
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| 21:14.53 | DevilChaos | bnoji: how did you get on with it any good? |
| 21:14.53 | abrotman | Nostur: the install guide tells you to enter `linux26` at the installer prompt |
| 21:15.01 | Nostur | huh |
| 21:15.01 | DevilChaos | sorry i was afk |
| 21:15.09 | abrotman | DevilChaos: i used blackbox for a long time |
| 21:15.19 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, thnx I'll brb going to try this kernel |
| 21:15.21 | Nostur | thats it, i thought i forgot something |
| 21:15.30 | Nostur | lmao |
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| 21:16.00 | DevilChaos | abrotman: ive downloaded a them what is the file path for styles and root window? |
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| 21:16.40 | abrotman | DevilChaos: oh jeez .. it's been too long for me to remember that .. but maybe /usr/share/blackbox/themes/ ? .. try looking in /usr/share/doc/blackbox/ for a hint |
| 21:17.14 | dbron | abrotman: what do you use now? |
| 21:17.26 | abrotman | gnome .. but i could easily go back to blackbox |
| 21:17.33 | DevilChaos | abrotman : i just thought id take a look to see if it was any better than gnome is that what you have reverted to? |
| 21:17.49 | abrotman | yeah .. i got sold on the minicommander in gnome :) |
| 21:17.54 | abrotman | i'm so lazy |
| 21:17.57 | dbron | abrotman: it just takes so long to load, I have gone back to fluxbox |
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| 21:18.10 | abrotman | and when they split bbkeys out .. that kind of pissed me off |
| 21:18.30 | deadcat | screw bbkeys. try xbindkeys works on any wm |
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| 21:18.43 | bizkit | bah.. ;) gnome.. |
| 21:18.44 | abrotman | deadcat: yeah .. but bbkeys used to be in blackbox |
| 21:18.54 | deadcat | oh. what happend? |
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| 21:19.03 | abrotman | deadcat: someone decided to split it out .. no idea why |
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| 21:19.30 | abrotman | this was a while ago . maybe it got put back in |
| 21:19.34 | deadcat | tensions within the group.. |
| 21:19.38 | deb-rolo | does any one knows of a program to check maillog for bounces ? or a oneliner ? or something ? |
| 21:19.53 | deadcat | i be the bbkeys guys want more regconization hehe |
| 21:19.55 | abrotman | deb-rolo: have a sample log line that shows a bounce ? |
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| 21:20.10 | deb-rolo | yeah a big log, with lots of em |
| 21:20.14 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, yep that didn't work lol kernel panic |
| 21:20.18 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: can you change your quit message to "I've gone invisible!" |
| 21:20.22 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: what kind of panic ? |
| 21:20.40 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, it was a initd panic |
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| 21:20.59 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: that's all you saw ? |
| 21:21.18 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, let me log on my laptop and I'll reboot and give you exact msg |
| 21:21.21 | Centre | does it hurt a system when im running an 686 OS and using 386 applications? |
| 21:21.52 | abrotman | Centre: not really .. it's slower ... but not really noticably so |
| 21:21.56 | Centre | ah |
| 21:21.59 | bizkit | deb-rolo: you should have a log on 'logtool' |
| 21:22.01 | abrotman | like .02342343242% slower :) |
| 21:22.07 | bizkit | deb-rolo: s/log/look/ |
| 21:22.08 | Duelist | Centre: not really |
| 21:22.08 | Centre | because im getting some nasty error |
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| 21:22.21 | DevilChaos | its just like a shell |
| 21:22.22 | abrotman | no ..don't sahre the error |
| 21:22.27 | deb-rolo | log tool ? |
| 21:22.28 | deb-rolo | whats that |
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| 21:22.35 | abrotman | !info logtool sarge |
| 21:22.42 | dpkg | logtool: (Syslog-style logfile parser with lots of output options), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 21:22.45 | Invisible_Debian | abrotman, rebooting |
| 21:22.48 | Centre | kernel: eth0: Too much work at interrupt, status=0x00000001. |
| 21:22.48 | DevilChaos | like there is nothing there in blackbox |
| 21:22.48 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:22.55 | abrotman | DevilChaos: sure there is .. |
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| 21:22.59 | deb-rolo | ohh but thats a debian only package? right ? |
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| 21:23.04 | abrotman | DevilChaos: right cilck .. middle click .. etc ... |
| 21:23.05 | Centre | and google told me it has to be something with wrong architecture compiled applications |
| 21:23.07 | abrotman | deb-rolo: maybe .. not sure |
| 21:23.11 | deb-rolo | that sever its running on fedora |
| 21:23.14 | abcdef | Hello |
| 21:23.23 | abrotman | deb-rolo: so show us a sample line |
| 21:23.30 | abrotman | sanitized if you need to |
| 21:23.38 | abcdef | is the first debian cd enough for a base + kde install? |
| 21:23.45 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 21:23.46 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
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| 21:24.02 | deb-rolo | lol, sorry, thats the problem, the log file is huge, it will take an eternity to look for abouce |
| 21:24.06 | abrotman | abcdef: some of kde is on CD1 |
| 21:24.07 | chea1 | abcdef: the first CD has the required packages and part of KDE |
| 21:24.09 | Invisible_Man | abcdef, it gets to Pivot_root: no such file or directory |
| 21:24.16 | bnoji | Mondoarchive recommends rebooting with the new iso in compare mode to check consistency...how can you verify a backup without rebooting a live server? |
| 21:24.16 | abrotman | deb-rolo: grep bounce maillog ? |
| 21:24.18 | Invisible_Man | abcdef, that last one was for you |
| 21:24.23 | deb-rolo | ok |
| 21:24.24 | abrotman | !pivotroot |
| 21:24.25 | deb-rolo | just asec |
| 21:24.26 | abcdef | so it's best to get cd 1 and 2 just incase? |
| 21:24.27 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, that last one was for you lol |
| 21:24.27 | bizkit | deb-rolo: don't open it with an editor, use tail for example |
| 21:24.29 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: for me! |
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| 21:24.38 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: google "Pivot root debian" |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: see if anythign comes up |
| 21:24.48 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, then it says /sbin/init: 432: cannon open dev/console: no such file |
| 21:24.53 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 21:24.53 | dpkg | well, devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html |
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| 21:25.41 | abcdef | i can get KDE from the net anywas, so i'll just get cd1, thanks anyways. |
| 21:25.46 | DevilChaos | i have nautilus running |
| 21:26.01 | bnoji | Is anyone else using mondo successfully on Sarge? I'm havin issues comparing the archive. |
| 21:26.17 | bnoji | I run mondorestore, select the directory of the iso and it just sits. |
| 21:26.29 | deb-rolo | Dec 8 16:05:15 mgate sendmail[18754]: jB8L5Fpo018754: from=<>, size=11112, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<4ju531$g5eeat@spammta01.int.dr1.us.army.mil>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=bouncedr1.us.army.mil [143.69.242.44] |
| 21:26.29 | deb-rolo | Dec 8 16:05:16 mgate sendmail[18754]: jB8L5Fpp018754: from=<>, size=11117, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<4ju531$g5eeav@spammta01.int.dr1.us.army.mil>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=bouncedr1.us.army.mil [143.69.242.44] |
| 21:26.30 | deb-rolo | Dec 8 16:05:16 mgate sendmail[18754]: jB8L5Fpq018754: from=<>, size=11117, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<4ju531$g5eeb0@spammta01.int.dr1.us.army.mil>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=bouncedr1.us.army.mil [143.69.242.44] |
| 21:26.30 | deb-rolo | Dec 8 16:05:16 mgate sendmail[18767]: jB8L5GtO018767: bouncedr1.us.army.mil [143.69.242.44] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA |
| 21:26.30 | DevilChaos | be back soon loggin out of blackbox |
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| 21:26.39 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, that says to boot to a cd and mount your filesystem can I just reboot the PC log into the 2.4.x kernel and do those commands? |
| 21:26.41 | DevilChaos | need to read more bout it i think |
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| 21:26.53 | deb-rolo | hey sorry |
| 21:26.59 | deb-rolo | i pasted the output of the grep command |
| 21:27.01 | abrotman | deb-rolo: we only needed one :) |
| 21:27.02 | deb-rolo | and it botted me out |
| 21:27.17 | deb-rolo | Dec 8 16:05:16 mgate sendmail[18767]: jB8L5GtO018767: bouncedr1.us.army.mil [143.69.242.44] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA |
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| 21:27.27 | abrotman | deb-rolo: are you spamming the military ? |
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| 21:27.36 | ma3x | why my mounted hard disk becomes suddenly R/O ? |
| 21:27.36 | deb-rolo | lol |
| 21:27.41 | deb-rolo | no im not |
| 21:27.42 | ma3x | Read-only file system |
| 21:27.49 | DevilChaos | abrotman:lol how do i logout? |
| 21:27.55 | deb-rolo | i think thats not the correct one |
| 21:27.56 | caphuso | ma3x: what does "dmesg" say? |
| 21:28.08 | abrotman | DevilChaos: right click .. uhm .. i think there's a system submenu or something .. or maybe under the blackbox menu |
| 21:28.14 | deb-rolo | lol, that was so funny |
| 21:28.32 | ma3x | caphuso, I'll paste on pastebin.com , one moment! |
| 21:28.48 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: hopefully :) |
| 21:28.57 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, well going ot give it a try now |
| 21:29.05 | abrotman | ah .. the joys of knowing about that magic "linux26" for the installer |
| 21:29.16 | ma3x | capchaos, http://pastebin.com/454610 |
| 21:29.27 | abrotman | caphuso: that's a new one |
| 21:29.42 | abrotman | ma3x: i'd back up your data :) |
| 21:29.51 | DevilChaos | need to reboot! :( |
| 21:29.52 | caphuso | ma3x: see all those I/O errors? that's why |
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| 21:30.01 | abrotman | DevilChaos: for what ? |
| 21:30.07 | abrotman | to get out of blackbox ? |
| 21:30.10 | DevilChaos | i messed up |
| 21:30.15 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 21:30.22 | capchaos | muh? |
| 21:30.23 | DevilChaos | changed windaw manager and cant change back |
| 21:30.27 | abrotman | capchaos: it was a misfire |
| 21:30.29 | DevilChaos | window |
| 21:30.32 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, ok well that got me worried that website says cd into the mounted dev empty dir.. but mine wasn't empty when I ls'ed /dev |
| 21:30.33 | ma3x | caphuso, but WHY those errors occur?/ |
| 21:30.48 | caphuso | ma3x: damaged disk |
| 21:30.54 | abrotman | faulty controller |
| 21:30.55 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, still a kernel panic |
| 21:30.59 | abrotman | bad cable ... |
| 21:31.10 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: apparently you're going to have to try a liveCD |
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| 21:31.16 | ma3x | caphuso, you're kidding me! under windows its working fine |
| 21:31.23 | Roey | Are there Xen patches for existing Linux source trees, anyone know? |
| 21:31.34 | abrotman | ma3x: windows doesn't care if it can't write data . .it just disappears |
| 21:31.37 | caphuso | ma3x: check the smart status |
| 21:31.48 | ma3x | caphuso, what's smart status? |
| 21:31.58 | abrotman | caphuso: do you know much about the smartmontools ? |
| 21:32.16 | caphuso | abrotman: i know how to run "smartctl -a /dev/foo" |
| 21:32.22 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
| 21:32.29 | caphuso | abrotman: well, what do you want to know? |
| 21:32.34 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, will the gentoo minial Boot CD work.. all I need to do is mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/blah and then cd /mnt/dev right? |
| 21:32.40 | abrotman | caphuso: i was wondering about the park thing for harddrives .. but i'm not at my laptop .. so i can't look at it |
| 21:32.42 | deb-rolo | ok here is one of the multiple types of bounces |
| 21:32.43 | ma3x | capchaos, should I run that now? |
| 21:32.44 | deb-rolo | Dec 8 16:05:16 mgate sendmail[18767]: jB8L5GtO018767: bouncedr1.us.army.mil [143.69.242.44] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA |
| 21:32.48 | abrotman | invsblduck: from waht i can tell |
| 21:32.51 | deb-rolo | damn , the same one again |
| 21:32.52 | deb-rolo | hold on |
| 21:32.53 | caphuso | abrotman: parking harddrives is so 1980ies |
| 21:32.55 | deb-rolo | Dec 6 02:24:55 mgate sendmail[5507]: jB67KdbT019428: jB67OtCm005507: DSN: Service unavailable |
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| 21:32.58 | abrotman | deb-rolo: that's the line you want to catch ? |
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| 21:33.08 | deb-rolo | one of several |
| 21:33.11 | deb-rolo | for example |
| 21:33.19 | abrotman | caphuso: no .. if you read planet.d.n .. they were talking about it .. it wasn't called parkign .. it was when to save power the laptop HDD moves the heads back |
| 21:33.25 | deb-rolo | because there are several types of bonuces on the log |
| 21:33.31 | vumba | hello |
| 21:33.35 | abrotman | deb-rolo: but all that format ? |
| 21:33.56 | deb-rolo | what format you mean ? |
| 21:34.02 | eheil | yeah this is true. A lot of the HD's automatically park their heads--its a function of the drive controller firmware. |
| 21:34.12 | abrotman | deb-rolo: if you "grep Service maillog" .. do you get all the lines you want ? |
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| 21:34.30 | ma3x | capchaos, how do I check the smart status? |
| 21:34.50 | DevilChaos | abrotman: got out without reboot! |
| 21:35.26 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:35.34 | DevilChaos | abrotman: dont think im going to use it though |
| 21:35.41 | abrotman | DevilChaos: too minimal for you ? |
| 21:35.44 | eheil | Hey anywhere know where I can get the docs in GNU info format for all of the coreutils? b/c I looked at debian's package cache and I don't see anything like coreutils-doc-info or anything similar. |
| 21:35.52 | rvsjoen | how can I sign a .deb package with my gpg signature when building it with "dpkg -b" ? |
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| 21:36.19 | deb-rolo | that gives the ones with status "Service Unavailable" |
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| 21:36.25 | caphuso | abrotman: dunno anything about that |
| 21:36.26 | DevilChaos | abrotman: mmmmm i wouldnt say that just lacks functionallity and i dont fancy wrestling with it for five years to get anywhere |
| 21:36.33 | abrotman | caphuso: let me see if i can find it |
| 21:36.35 | deb-rolo | but serivce unavailabe arent all of them |
| 21:36.41 | deb-rolo | ther are 550 ones too |
| 21:36.48 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, this Gentoo fdisk has me SOO Lost lol |
| 21:36.55 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: i don't use gentoo |
| 21:36.57 | deb-rolo | and some soft bounces too i want to catch |
| 21:37.04 | DevilChaos | took me that long to get to grips with debian on a good level that i could do most things on my own |
| 21:37.11 | js_ | how do i turn off the terminal screen saver? |
| 21:37.17 | abrotman | deb-rolo: you're going to have to find something unique about those lines .. or have sendmail try to give a different error |
| 21:37.22 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, ok I mounted it but /dev isn't empty |
| 21:37.38 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: did you boot 2.6 before you did that ? |
| 21:37.58 | Invisible_Man | how am I suppose to boot 2.6 when I'm using a live cd? |
| 21:38.06 | DevilChaos | and sometime have memory re-lapses in what i do for some commands and have to ask in here kind of silly but cant sdo anything bout it just the way my mind works i guess |
| 21:38.20 | deb-rolo | can i have sendmail give diffrent errors? |
| 21:38.25 | deb-rolo | for those cases? |
| 21:38.30 | ma3x | what's SMART status? |
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| 21:39.03 | caphuso | ma3x: apt-cache show smartmontools |
| 21:39.22 | eheil | ma3x: Are you talking about smart status as it relates to HD controlers? |
| 21:39.39 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, man I'm so retarded I didn't look at some of the F1 install options |
| 21:39.48 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: on the sarge installer ? |
| 21:39.50 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, I could have done the 2.6.x kernel from the start |
| 21:39.53 | ma3x | eheil, probably |
| 21:39.55 | abrotman | yes you could have :) |
| 21:40.06 | abrotman | caphuso: of course i can't find it |
| 21:40.12 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, sorry man I didn't see it.. screw it time to reinstall via 2.6 |
| 21:40.18 | eheil | ma3x: OK, well what do you want to know about smart status? |
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| 21:40.32 | eheil | ma3x: How its implemented in Debian or what? |
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| 21:40.47 | ma3x | eheil, I want to check it on my HDD |
| 21:40.47 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: erm .. ok |
| 21:40.58 | idis | Invisible_Man: now you know rule #1, read the doc |
| 21:41.06 | DevilChaos | abrotman: was nice to have a look at though |
| 21:41.47 | eheil | ma3x: Well smartd is actually responsible for getting smart status data from your HD controler. not sure, but hdparm might actually provide a way to view the smart status. Perhaps someone else on here knows better. |
| 21:42.06 | ma3x | Device does not support SMART |
| 21:42.06 | ma3x | Error Counter logging not supported |
| 21:42.06 | ma3x | Device does not support Self Test logging |
| 21:42.08 | Invisible_Man | idis, I do read the docs, I'm sorry if I'm a little rusty I looked in the F1 menu but I must have missed that part.. I was looking for a way to do the 2.6 kernel from the start.. I though 2.6 was the standard as most distro's I've seen these days are |
| 21:42.20 | caphuso | ma3x: is that a SATA disk? |
| 21:42.22 | ma3x | caphuso, eheil : so its not supporting it |
| 21:42.31 | ma3x | capchaos, MAXTOR external firewire usb disk |
| 21:42.35 | ma3x | with 16 MB cache |
| 21:42.35 | Invisible_Man | idis, I've installed Gentoo, Slackware, Fedora, and Debian in the last 2 days messing with each to see which one I like more |
| 21:43.04 | deb-rolo | hey abrotman, well i found something unique about this lines .... |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | DevilChaos: i really did use it for a long time .. it was quite nice |
| 21:43.12 | abrotman | deb-rolo: so grep it! |
| 21:43.39 | capchaos | mooh |
| 21:43.40 | eheil | I can't really support Fedora--I really don't like rpm as far as upgrading stuff, plus the rpm db iisn't in any human readable form--so if its screwed up, you don't ahve any way to actually edit the DB manually. |
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| 21:43.50 | capchaos | ma3x, learn to type! :p |
| 21:43.56 | caphuso | no, it's not |
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| 21:44.26 | ma3x | caphuso, so what do we do? |
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| 21:44.37 | eheil | Looks like rpm uses something taht is similar--maybe it actually uses it exclusvely--the Brekely DB stuff. |
| 21:44.45 | abrotman | ma3x: you back up your data to start |
| 21:44.51 | eheil | Berekely |
| 21:45.01 | eheil | Crap can't type for crap today. |
| 21:45.03 | caphuso | ma3x: does "smartctl -s on /dev/foo" make it work? |
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| 21:45.04 | zinx | Berzerkely |
| 21:45.12 | ma3x | abrotman, backup to what? that's my only external drive |
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| 21:45.49 | happy_broccoli | in nagios why are there notification intervals in both the hosts and service cfg |
| 21:45.52 | DevilChaos | abrotman : nice to have a conversation in here for a change and not have to ask too many questions |
| 21:45.55 | abrotman | ma3x: CDs ? DVDs? your hardrive ? |
| 21:46.09 | abrotman | DevilChaos: you did ask questions .. it started like this "Does anyone here use blackbox?" :) |
| 21:46.14 | ma3x | abrotman, I have 50 GBytes there |
| 21:46.18 | ma3x | I can't backup that |
| 21:46.24 | ma3x | and I don't want to back it up |
| 21:46.29 | abrotman | ma3x: kiss it goodbye? :( |
| 21:46.39 | DevilChaos | abrotman : lol yeah i was just thinking that after i had said that |
| 21:46.49 | ma3x | caphuso, unable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [unsupported field in scsi command] |
| 21:46.53 | abrotman | ma3x: your options are to unmount it .. and pray that when you remount it .. there are no issues |
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| 21:46.59 | caphuso | ma3x: well, that's bad luck |
| 21:47.07 | ma3x | abrotman, there are no issues. |
| 21:47.10 | abrotman | DevilChaos: and then there was "How do i love out!" |
| 21:47.12 | abrotman | log out |
| 21:47.15 | ma3x | But when I remount it, the errors occur again in a awhile |
| 21:47.16 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 21:47.22 | ma3x | and then I have to: |
| 21:47.24 | caphuso | ma3x: now you can only hope that it's a faulty controller or driver and not a disk doing it's last breaths |
| 21:47.25 | deb-rolo | abrotman, i want to grep for several words should i use single or double quotes ? |
| 21:47.25 | DevilChaos | bad typos |
| 21:47.28 | ma3x | shutdown hdd, power on |
| 21:47.34 | ma3x | umount mount |
| 21:47.35 | abrotman | ma3x: try another usb port on your machine |
| 21:47.38 | ma3x | all over again and again |
| 21:47.46 | abrotman | deb-rolo: man grep .. it sohuld be in there |
| 21:47.47 | ma3x | abrotman, you think that could be an issue?! |
| 21:47.51 | gpm | hey guys, i just installed libgphoto2-2 with gnome (so that it automagically pops up when i connect a camera and asks if i want to import photos). it's giving me device permissions, but the readme says i need only add a user to "camera," which i've done. root can download pictures fine. any other groups i should add camera-using users to? |
| 21:47.59 | abrotman | ma3x: it could be anything .. including a failing drive |
| 21:48.06 | gpm | *device permssions errors |
| 21:48.16 | ma3x | abrotman, don't think so, cause when I tried the firewire it was bullshitting again, but in anotherway. tlabel or something |
| 21:48.21 | abrotman | gpm: after adding the user to the group .. did oyu logout/login |
| 21:48.22 | abrotman | ? |
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| 21:48.40 | gpm | abrotman: of course. when user types groups, camera shows up |
| 21:48.56 | ma3x | this is all your fault |
| 21:49.04 | ma3x | you made me use debian and linux partitions! |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | gpm: but did you logout/in after doing that ? |
| 21:49.16 | abrotman | ma3x: whose fault ? |
| 21:49.20 | ma3x | all of you |
| 21:49.23 | gpm | abrotman: yes. |
| 21:49.23 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 21:49.30 | abrotman | ma3x: you blame us for your failing hardware ? |
| 21:49.33 | ma3x | abrotman, most of all, yours! |
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| 21:49.37 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 21:49.38 | ma3x | abrotman, its working on windows |
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| 21:49.39 | abrotman | whatever |
| 21:49.45 | ma3x | abrotman, and now you dont help |
| 21:49.48 | ma3x | double fault!! |
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| 21:49.54 | ma3x | guilty |
| 21:49.59 | ma3x | !hang abrotman! |
| 21:50.02 | |HANZO| | Hi, there is no 'vi' on debian? I'd like to use 'vi' instead of vim, any clue? |
| 21:50.26 | odla | oo.org2's database sucks. what other good database programs are there out there? |
| 21:50.34 | caphuso | |HANZO|: nvi |
| 21:50.38 | blondie | odla: mysql |
| 21:50.43 | abrotman | ma3x: how does it work in windows .. it's ext3 |
| 21:51.03 | ma3x | abrotman, it used to work in windows |
| 21:51.08 | caphuso | abrotman: that would explain why windows doesn't report any errors ;-) |
| 21:51.09 | |HANZO| | caphuso: I want 'vi' :) |
| 21:51.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:51.18 | abrotman | nvi! |
| 21:51.19 | ma3x | abrotman, now I can't check it, cause no fat/ntfs partition |
| 21:51.22 | pedro420 | Can anyone here elp me ? When i goto use apollon it says that my gift daemon appears to be down and when I try run it in terminal is says something about a gift-fatal. |
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| 21:51.36 | abrotman | ma3x: did you try to fsck the drive ? |
| 21:51.36 | deadcat | vim is giving me Vim: Caught deadly signal ILL |
| 21:51.39 | blondie | pedro420: you haven't bought enough christmas gifts |
| 21:51.50 | |HANZO| | nvi it's a BSD vi? |
| 21:51.53 | ma3x | abrotman, yeah, its saying its perfect |
| 21:51.53 | deadcat | i am using nvi till i reboot.. stupid hd |
| 21:51.58 | abrotman | !info nvi sarge |
| 21:52.05 | caphuso | |HANZO|: if "bug for bug compatible clone" isn't good enough for you, then you're out of luck |
| 21:52.06 | dpkg | nvi: (4.4BSD re-implementation of vi), section editors, is important. Version: 1.79-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 632 kB |
| 21:52.16 | odla | i really just want an easy database program to create a database to log my articles that i have |
| 21:52.18 | pedro420 | blondie: Its not christmas yet. |
| 21:52.22 | odla | is mysql pretty easy to use for that? |
| 21:52.28 | blondie | pedro420: ORLY |
| 21:52.28 | |HANZO| | caphuso: thanks then |
| 21:52.28 | abrotman | postgresql! |
| 21:52.37 | DevilChaos | ma3x: be nice to the people in here theyve help me out loads not nice to blame other people |
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| 21:53.10 | ma3x | DevilChaos, was just kidding with abrotman |
| 21:53.12 | caphuso | |HANZO|: you can also have a look at ex-vi.sf.net |
| 21:53.12 | odla | i guess i would like it to look like MS Access as much as possible...cause it's a pretty easy program |
| 21:53.13 | abrotman | ma3x: you could try(and i'm not really sure this is a good idea) to remove it from the external housing and put it inside your computer ? |
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| 21:53.17 | DevilChaos | oh |
| 21:53.25 | blondie | odla: no, but it's a proper database instead of an "office type" one |
| 21:53.28 | DevilChaos | my mistake then sorry |
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| 21:53.41 | ma3x | abrotman, hehee, you're full with ideas. I have laptop :) |
| 21:53.41 | sniperjo | hi guys, i am having troble setting up samba with cups, does anyone have any tips? |
| 21:53.46 | abrotman | damn you! |
| 21:53.59 | |HANZO| | caphuso: But I think that nvi is not really vi nope? |
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| 21:54.25 | abrotman | |HANZO|: isn't the original vi license encumbered ? |
| 21:54.29 | ma3x | EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal |
| 21:54.29 | ma3x | Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 21:54.32 | jAk3Z | Somebody setup a glftpd and can make FXP transfers? |
| 21:54.36 | ma3x | why the hell is it remounting it!? |
| 21:54.37 | caphuso | |HANZO|: that's because we're living in the 21st century. nobody wants to use the original vi anymore |
| 21:54.47 | blondie | jAk3Z: is that a question? |
| 21:54.47 | abrotman | ma3x: so you can't write to it and do more damage |
| 21:54.49 | caphuso | ma3x: because of those errors |
| 21:54.56 | sniperjo | hi guys, i am having troble setting up samba with cups, does anyone have any tips? |
| 21:54.59 | |HANZO| | caphuso: I want to use vi! xD |
| 21:55.02 | jAk3Z | yes i cant make fxp transfers |
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| 21:55.10 | jAk3Z | on my glftpd :| |
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| 21:55.26 | |HANZO| | caphuso: on all BSD systems, all use vi without any problems |
| 21:55.26 | caphuso | |HANZO|: no, you think you want to |
| 21:55.29 | blondie | it's for ftp not fxp I'd imagine (whatever fxp is) |
| 21:55.35 | abrotman | |HANZO|: afaik .. you used nvi on those systems |
| 21:55.37 | caphuso | |HANZO|: which one, for example? |
| 21:55.42 | |HANZO| | netbsd |
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| 21:55.46 | caphuso | |HANZO|: uses nvi |
| 21:55.49 | seto_ | hi , I don't know where to ask this , but I want to plot : exp(i * x) , with gnuplot I try this : exp({0,1}*x) , but don't work any idea ? |
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| 21:56.06 | |HANZO| | caphuso: sure? |
| 21:56.08 | caphuso | |HANZO|: yes |
| 21:56.13 | abrotman | now .. solaris might use the original vi .. |
| 21:56.16 | jAk3Z | fxp is make a trasnfers FTP to FTP, no a transfer client - ftp |
| 21:56.30 | ma3x | caphuso, and why are those errors showing up!? whats so wrong? |
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| 21:56.49 | abrotman | ma3x: we already gave you numerous possibilities |
| 21:56.51 | caphuso | ma3x: disk, cable, controller, driver |
| 21:56.54 | caphuso | one of those |
| 21:56.56 | sniperjo | hi guys, i am having troble setting up samba with cups, does anyone have any tips? |
| 21:57.15 | abrotman | sniperjo: haven't you been having problems for a couple of weeks ? |
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| 21:57.27 | DevilChaos | abrotman :i like nano |
| 21:57.28 | ma3x | caphuso, I want to find out exactly from what? |
| 21:57.46 | sniperjo | abrotman: well yes i kinda have, i got one stage further, bieng able to print from cups web interface |
| 21:57.51 | asuffield | ma3x: get swapping. that message only tells you there was an IO error |
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| 21:58.04 | caphuso | |HANZO|: http://www.netbsd.org/guide/en/chap-edit.html#chap-edit-configuring-vi |
| 21:58.05 | valdyn | ma3x: mechanical devices break over time, they dont need a special reason |
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| 21:58.09 | DevilChaos | i think its by far the best for file manipulation and no duplicates of files to deal with |
| 21:58.14 | fw | Hello! |
| 21:58.22 | abrotman | sniperjo: woohoo! |
| 21:58.26 | pedro420 | Can anyone here help me ? When i goto use apollon it says that my gift daemon appears to be down and when I try run it in terminal is says cant open giftd.log filename too long gift fatal. Unable to startup the gift core, *sigh*. What can i do ? |
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| 21:58.46 | DevilChaos | i staill think using the emacs for writing programmes though |
| 21:58.51 | fw | Does somebody knows how to install oracle client libraries om Debian? |
| 21:58.53 | sniperjo | abrotman: thanks for the enthusiasm i dont supose you could direct that to my current problem could you ? |
| 21:59.00 | ma3x | asuffield, what does that mean ' get swapping ' - swap partition? |
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| 21:59.07 | abrotman | sniperjo: i don't own a printer |
| 21:59.12 | asuffield | ma3x: swap each component in turn with one that is verified to be working |
| 21:59.21 | asuffield | the one which makes it work was the broken one |
| 21:59.22 | sniperjo | abrotman: Right..... ok then |
| 21:59.37 | abrotman | sniperjo: have you inquired in #samba ? |
| 21:59.40 | sniperjo | abrotman: i am sure you would of helped me so, thanks anyway |
| 21:59.58 | abrotman | sniperjo: if i actually owned a printer and had any experience using cups+samba .. i would have tried :) |
| 22:00.13 | ma3x | asuffield, I can't swap the HDD, I already changed the cable |
| 22:00.24 | asuffield | then you can't find out, can you? |
| 22:00.24 | sniperjo | abrotman: yay :D so i would advice you to get one , they can be quite useful |
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| 22:01.14 | ma3x | so should I cry now |
| 22:01.21 | ma3x | 3 fucking days lost over this stupid hdd |
| 22:01.36 | pedro420 | nvz_: Nandrew ? |
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| 22:02.18 | abrotman | sniperjo: they kill trees! |
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| 22:02.23 | abrotman | sniperjo: did you ask #samba ? |
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| 22:03.57 | sniperjo | abrotman: i did but erm knowone has said anything |
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| 22:04.20 | ma3x | abrotman, how ya doin pal/ |
| 22:04.22 | abrotman | sniperjo: wait a bit .. |
| 22:04.38 | pedro420 | Can anyone here help me ? When i goto use apollon it says that my gift daemon appears to be down and when I try run it in terminal is says cant open giftd.log filename too long gift fatal. Unable to startup the gift core, *sigh*. What can i do ? |
| 22:04.45 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, lol doing the package download during install 551mb to downlaod woohooo |
| 22:04.46 | DevilChaos | bye folks |
| 22:04.50 | abrotman | pedro420: did you try #gift ? |
| 22:04.55 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: nice |
| 22:05.07 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, cable so not bad think I got 10 minutes more |
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| 22:05.17 | abrotman | Invisible_Man: you need FIOS! |
| 22:05.18 | numist | anyone else in here get dcc spam from harris? |
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| 22:05.35 | Invisible_Man | abrotman, lol |
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| 22:05.52 | abrotman | numist: he's not even in the channel |
| 22:05.53 | Alex14 | hi |
| 22:06.10 | numist | abrotman: not now, he's not in any channels |
| 22:06.11 | eleftherios | my sshd server timesout the connections after a while. I looked at sshd_config and there is no timeout value set or anything similar. Does anyone know why the timeouts occur and how I can stop it? |
| 22:06.11 | happy_broccoli | in nagios, why is the notification number not reset when service resumes |
| 22:06.18 | numist | makes me think he join/parted one of the channels I'm in |
| 22:06.25 | abrotman | numist: he hasn't been in here all day |
| 22:06.42 | numist | ta |
| 22:06.44 | abrotman | numist: ip 202.133.61.15 |
| 22:06.46 | sniperjo | abrotman: i am sorry but you are going to have to buy a printer :p |
| 22:06.52 | deby | hello, how can i figured out if a system is compromised ? i looked in syslog, nothing special, i looked for open ports, nothing special.. but i have a bad felling someone is around.. any tips ? |
| 22:06.54 | abrotman | sniperjo: how about you send me yours? :) |
| 22:07.05 | numist | abrotman: yep |
| 22:07.13 | sniperjo | abrotman: if you pay for postage & packing ;) |
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| 22:07.19 | valdyn | deby: what do you get that 'feeling' from? |
| 22:07.49 | ma3x | deby: try norton antivirus :) |
| 22:07.50 | ma3x | hehe |
| 22:07.54 | ma3x | just kidding |
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| 22:07.58 | deby | from the fact that ssh didn't work all day, i had some big load avg's (150-170)... and nothing apears in the logs |
| 22:07.58 | ma3x | deby, try netstat -a |
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| 22:08.15 | deby | deby: how would that posible help ? |
| 22:08.35 | deby | ma3x: how would that posible help ? |
| 22:08.45 | valdyn | deby: and you dont know which tasks caused that load? |
| 22:08.52 | sniperjo | hello, i am having problems setting up samba with cups i can print a test page on sambas web interface but nothing else |
| 22:08.53 | ma3x | deby, see if you have any suspicious connections |
| 22:08.53 | deby | valdyn: no |
| 22:09.02 | ma3x | deby, monitor the traffic |
| 22:09.05 | abrotman | sniperjo: i'm not paying for packing! |
| 22:09.21 | sniperjo | abrotman: it would be worth it ;) |
| 22:09.29 | deby | ma3x: can you pay a little atention ?? i said there are now open ports that should be, i did that with an external nmap, because netstat could be modifed if system is jamed |
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| 22:09.34 | abrotman | sniperjo: there are people in this channel taht are from france |
| 22:09.46 | abrotman | damn it .. where's jethro! |
| 22:10.00 | abrotman | sniperjo: or try the #debian-fr channel .. maybe someone could stop by and help you |
| 22:10.05 | sniperjo | sniperjo: sound french ;) |
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| 22:10.13 | deby | valdyn: is it posible to find out ? |
| 22:10.19 | valdyn | deby: well, its not really possible to proof that your system was _not_ compromised. |
| 22:10.25 | ma3x | deby, so why do you have that feeling that someone's arround? |
| 22:10.29 | valdyn | deby: read the logs |
| 22:10.43 | valdyn | deby: maybe you're just an open mail relay or somesuch |
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| 22:11.06 | deby | valdyn: tested it for open relay... |
| 22:11.21 | sniperjo | abrotman lol that was meant to be to you,... Do i sound french, |
| 22:11.26 | sniperjo | ;) |
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| 22:11.41 | abrotman | sniperjo: /whois sniperjo |
| 22:11.56 | deby | valdyn: i am reading the logs, they seem normal |
| 22:11.56 | synic | anyone use aterm? Is there a way to disable bold text? |
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| 22:13.02 | deby | valdyn: the only suspect thing that happend is that someone at the location unpluged the keyboard, at the same time the ssh stoped working.. and when i tried to connect to ssh, if i entered a bad password it said access denied, if i enterd the right one.. nothing happend anymore.. just staied like that. |
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| 22:14.00 | valdyn | deby: maybe your X locked up and by blocking resources that just caused the load |
| 22:14.02 | ma3x | deby, so the system blocked |
| 22:14.10 | ma3x | yeah that happened to me today too |
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| 22:14.15 | ma3x | everything just blocks out |
| 22:14.28 | deby | valdyn: there is no X server |
| 22:14.44 | deby | valdyn: it is used as a gateway.. so no need for that |
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| 22:15.12 | sobersabre | hi |
| 22:15.12 | valdyn | deby: so, its a gateway and runs what? just ssh? |
| 22:15.14 | putz | I've installed phppgadmin through apt-get, but can't figure out how to access it. Any ideas what it's URL will be wrt the domain, or how to find out? |
| 22:15.17 | valdyn | deby: mail? |
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| 22:15.29 | putz | I assumed it would be dumped into /var/www/ but it doesn't appear to be there. |
| 22:15.49 | abrotman | dpkg -L phppgadmin |
| 22:15.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching phppgadmin |
| 22:15.51 | stew | putz: you will have to create an alias in apache to /usr/share/phppgadmin or something similar, /usr/share/doc/phppgadmin should have insstructions |
| 22:16.03 | verchow | look in the config files of your webserver |
| 22:16.04 | putz | Thanks stew. |
| 22:16.18 | stew | putz: specifically look for a README.Debian |
| 22:16.22 | deby | valdyn: NAT a little mail server (10 boxes) and a SSH.. that's all, and it's p3 800mhz with 512 ram.. i think it's more that enough, mail traffic can be a little high some time, i work witth a lot o mail lists. |
| 22:16.32 | meriad | in awk, how do you print everything after a certain line |
| 22:16.34 | meriad | anyone nkow? |
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| 22:16.39 | idis | putz: do you mean phpmyadmin? |
| 22:16.59 | putz | idis, no, I mean pgadmin - the postgresql equivalent. |
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| 22:17.19 | deby | ma3x: my system never blocked in the last year.. so i get suspicios when it happens |
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| 22:17.32 | valdyn | deby: not many ways to compromise this, if you dont have a weak ssh password |
| 22:17.40 | abrotman | putz: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/phppgadmin/ |
| 22:17.44 | valdyn | deby: then no bot i know of would do this anyway |
| 22:17.51 | ma3x | deby, its just how computers work |
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| 22:18.07 | deby | valdyn: i don't have ssh passwords, i use private keys |
| 22:18.16 | putz | abrotman, am doing so currently, thanks :) |
| 22:18.27 | valdyn | deby: so you can just assume that no one got on via ssh |
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| 22:18.51 | deby | valdyn: plus ssh is filtered.. i have the only ip who can access it |
| 22:19.10 | valdyn | deby: uh, i meant 'which services are open to internet' |
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| 22:19.26 | valdyn | deby: if ssh isnt, the its obviously not the source of danger |
| 22:19.39 | deby | valdyn: smtp.. just that nat is internal and ssh has only my internet ip to access it. |
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| 22:19.54 | deby | valdyn: and imap |
| 22:20.07 | valdyn | deby: which imap server? |
| 22:20.27 | deby | valdyn: courier |
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| 22:22.12 | valdyn | deby: i assume someone just spawned alot of imap login daemons or something like that |
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| 22:22.39 | valdyn | deby: i can do that to dovecot easily, no idea about courier or the precise workings |
| 22:23.00 | deby | valdyn: so... my best bet should be that everything is ok |
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| 22:23.41 | valdyn | deby: yea, proofing that its clean is tricky |
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| 22:24.10 | sniperjo | abrotman: no luck :P |
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| 22:26.44 | abrotman | sniperjo: noone knows .. or noone answered ? |
| 22:26.55 | abrotman | sniperjo: are you getting errors you can share ?.. or it just goes *poof* ? |
| 22:27.36 | sniperjo | abrotman: erm explain ure poof |
| 22:28.02 | abrotman | poof means the print job goes nowhere |
| 22:28.14 | threat | I am having issues setting up a bridge between a ethernet NIC and a wireless NIC (hostapd is running on wireless nick and bridge=br0 has been included in conf file) |
| 22:28.23 | Lilldude10 | put new card on debian noting on screeen what does that mean? |
| 22:28.41 | threat | when the bridge is up the wired side works fine but the wireles side does not |
| 22:29.00 | sniperjo | Well.. i am on windows and it will say "unable to connect" |
| 22:29.40 | threat | any ideas? or is more information required? |
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| 22:30.16 | bleaked | congrats everyone: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/05/strong_growth_for_debian.html |
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| 22:32.35 | BeBrA | hello |
| 22:32.41 | BeBrA | I have a SMTP server (sendmail) available on my LAN. At the moment when a deliver fails user "root" is notified. I want also to notify the user who tried to send the mail (which usually doesn't have an account on the mailserver). |
| 22:32.41 | BeBrA | i.e. an user tried to send a mail from user@somefreemailaccount.com , for some reason it fails and i want to notify user@somefreemailaccount.com. The same for anotheruser@someotherfreemailaccount.net |
| 22:32.43 | cjfs | hi! |
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| 22:33.16 | BeBrA | and so on |
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| 22:34.05 | threat | BeBrA, ? |
| 22:34.10 | threat | you mean like a bounce message? |
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| 22:34.17 | BeBrA | yes |
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| 22:34.25 | nostur | hi all |
| 22:35.05 | nostur | abrotman: can u tell me cmd to get know pci bus identifier? |
| 22:35.18 | abrotman | leave it blank |
| 22:35.38 | BeBrA | atm all messages are receiver by root, but i want also to notify the user who tried to send the message (who can be user@somefreemailaccount.com or anotheruser@someotherfreemailaccount.net or ...) |
| 22:35.40 | Tidus | nostur: what are you needing, the PCI bus id of a card? |
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| 22:35.49 | nostur | Tidus: yep |
| 22:35.58 | Tidus | nostur: apt-get pciutils, then use lspci -v\ |
| 22:35.59 | Fraze | Help! How can I install the mscorefonts library?.. I can't find it in aptitude! |
| 22:36.04 | Tidus | minus the \ |
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| 22:36.24 | valdyn | Fraze: 'msttcorefonts' |
| 22:36.28 | nostur | Tidus: iam installing, so isnt there any other way? |
| 22:36.33 | valdyn | !tell Fraze -about non-free |
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| 22:36.43 | threat | anyway. my problem hasn't fixed its self, what now? :) |
| 22:36.45 | nostur | abrotman: why, it will be same as if i fil it or what> |
| 22:36.46 | threat | any suggestions? |
| 22:36.54 | Tidus | nostur: lspci is the easiest way to get the pci bus id of a device |
| 22:37.10 | nostur | Tidus: i know that there was some cmd what included grep in it :) |
| 22:37.39 | Tidus | nostur: lspci | grep Multimedia gets your sound card ... lspci | grep Ethernet gets the NIC, and so on |
| 22:37.44 | abrotman | nostur: leave it blank |
| 22:37.50 | nostur | abrotman: alright |
| 22:37.51 | threat | Tidus, any ideas? |
| 22:37.52 | abrotman | nostur: i'm not joking LEAVE IT BLANK |
| 22:38.02 | nono31 | How do I compile and install 2.6.14 kernel? (prev to 2.6.14 I used to do make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image; But this does not work anymore ) |
| 22:38.05 | nostur | abrotman: ok, ok ok, just chill |
| 22:38.13 | Tidus | threat: for what problem? |
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| 22:38.39 | threat | Tidus, should I re-paste or can you scroll up ? |
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| 22:38.44 | Tidus | dpkg: tell nono31 about simple sid backport |
| 22:39.02 | Tidus | threat: just /msg it to me |
| 22:39.02 | bleaked | nono31. make-kpkg linux-image |
| 22:39.08 | threat | Tidus, ok |
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| 22:39.44 | phycho | is this norma: |
| 22:39.46 | phycho | *norma |
| 22:39.49 | phycho | HTB: quantum of class 10026 is small. Consider r2q change. |
| 22:39.50 | phycho | HTB: quantum of class 10027 is small. Consider r2q change. |
| 22:39.52 | phycho | *normal |
| 22:39.56 | phycho | when playing with htb |
| 22:40.03 | nono31 | bleaked: but if I don't use initrd, and I have some necessary stuff as module, it will not give me a "kernel panic" ? |
| 22:40.03 | threat | phycho, I get that too |
| 22:40.06 | phycho | k |
| 22:40.09 | Evaso2 | if anybody could be interessed here there is a list of package not in sync with his upstream version ordered by popcon values. There also available upstream NEWS/Changelog if you click on the upstream version number |
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| 22:40.19 | threat | phycho, dont know what it means though :) |
| 22:40.22 | Evaso2 | you can find it here : http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/no_updated.html |
| 22:40.23 | phycho | hehe |
| 22:40.28 | Tidus | threat: did you /msg it ? |
| 22:40.35 | threat | Tidus, yes I did |
| 22:40.39 | threat | are you blocking msg's |
| 22:40.41 | threat | ? |
| 22:40.50 | Tidus | threat: are you registered and identified to services? if not, then freenode is blocking them |
| 22:40.56 | threat | oh |
| 22:41.03 | abrotman | Evaso2: i don't evenk now what to file that under :0 |
| 22:41.04 | threat | I am not registered |
| 22:41.22 | abrotman | !outofdatesoftware is http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/no_updated.html |
| 22:41.22 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 22:41.24 | Tidus | that's why... i just scrolled up and read it. |
| 22:41.27 | threat | is registration painless? |
| 22:41.34 | threat | Tidus, hehe |
| 22:41.41 | Tidus | threat: registration is rather painless, yes |
| 22:41.48 | bleaked | nono31. well, always keep your old kernel just in case, and i believe that as long as the module is in /etc/modules, you should be ok. i'm not entirely sure, since i dislike modules. if i ever use them, it's for non-essential kernel pieces. |
| 22:41.52 | Tidus | threat: /msg nickserv help for help |
| 22:42.00 | threat | thanx |
| 22:42.12 | Tidus | threat: and no ideas as to why your ethernet bridge isn't working. |
| 22:42.35 | abrotman | kingsley: you really should remove the join/parts from that equation .. try to factor in total lines somehow |
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| 22:43.08 | nono31 | bleaked: well, I'll have headache... since if I have ide stuff as module, I'm screwed |
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| 22:43.40 | threat2 | woot |
| 22:43.42 | bleaked | nono31. why would you compile those as a module? |
| 22:43.43 | threat2 | I am regestered |
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| 22:43.46 | threat2 | what wasnt too bad |
| 22:43.50 | threat2 | what = that |
| 22:43.58 | stumbles | is it likely that Jigdo will be used by apt evetually? Would be handy for predominantly data packages -- open-clipart |
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| 22:45.25 | nono31 | bleaked: because I changed computer and did not have time to tune my kernel yet... |
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| 22:45.38 | jason^ | i'm using an xterm ssh'ed into a machine running screen and in an irssi instance. when i press alt+# i get a weird character instead of the application understanding the alt+#. it works fine in gnome-terminal, but not in xterm. any suggestions? |
| 22:45.56 | nono31 | bleaked: I'll do it soon... :-) |
| 22:45.57 | curt | I messed up my iptables, how do I reset them? |
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| 22:46.27 | caphuso | jason^: enable the metaSendsEscape resource |
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| 22:46.43 | eka | hi all |
| 22:46.43 | curt | like i routed my wan ip to another ip |
| 22:46.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:46.53 | curt | not so funny |
| 22:46.58 | eka | how do i set environment variables that can be seen inside KDE? |
| 22:47.08 | bleaked | nono31. well if it's just temporary, just use the debian kernel. then, when you're ready, compile your own. |
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| 22:47.33 | curt | I just can't digest the iptables man |
| 22:47.54 | bleaked | curt. they can be a littly acidy.. |
| 22:48.02 | curt | I do iptables -D OUTPUT 1 |
| 22:48.14 | curt | but iptables-save still shows the rulkes |
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| 22:49.01 | gpm | i hate udev |
| 22:49.08 | curt | hehe |
| 22:49.12 | jason^ | curt: did you change your default policies? |
| 22:49.22 | Stereo | gpm: it's software, it hates you back |
| 22:49.23 | curt | jason^, probably |
| 22:49.53 | orcd3vil_ | abrotman, hey I got it reinstalled with 2.6.x kernel but now I installed alsa and it see's my sound card I just can't get no sound out lol |
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| 22:50.00 | curt | jason^, all i know is all incomming trafic is bouncing to someone else's ip |
| 22:50.06 | abrotman | orcd3vil_: who are you ? |
| 22:50.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:50.14 | orcd3vil_ | abrotman, did alsamixer adjusted volume that I remember to and did alsactl store |
| 22:50.17 | abrotman | orcd3vil_: are you in the audio group ? |
| 22:50.28 | abrotman | orcd3vil_: try sound as root .. see if that works |
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| 22:50.35 | abrotman | but i'm really waving now! |
| 22:50.39 | invisible_Debian | abrotman, sorry its Invisible_Man |
| 22:50.39 | gpm | Stereo: it's such a rabble-rouser...i don't know why gnome is going with it |
| 22:50.47 | invisible_Debian | abrotman, bye :) |
| 22:50.59 | abrotman | invisible_Debian: try sound as root .. see if that works .. if it does .. add yourself to the audio group |
| 22:51.07 | Stereo | gpm: nobody wanted to maintain devfs anymore |
| 22:51.08 | abrotman | invisible_Debian: if not .. ask more questions here or #alsa |
| 22:51.17 | invisible_Debian | abrotman, thnx |
| 22:51.29 | abrotman | gpm: technically .. udev will surpass devfs .. just not today :) |
| 22:51.48 | curt | jason^, iptables-restore just seem to hang |
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| 22:52.35 | curt | is there a way to manually edit the iptables? |
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| 22:52.44 | vitiho__ | yes |
| 22:52.49 | vitiho__ | iptables command |
| 22:52.52 | curt | where are they pray tell |
| 22:53.01 | jason^ | curt: iptables -F &>/dev/null && iptables -X &>/dev/null && iptables -Z &>/dev/null ; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 22:53.21 | curt | jason^, all at once? |
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| 22:53.25 | jason^ | sure |
| 22:53.29 | nostur | hi, abrotman: what was the point of leaving it blank, plus, can u correct this: dpkg-reconfigure <something>, to be able change resolution |
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| 22:53.50 | invisible_Debian | Any idea's anyone no sound coming out alsaconf see's the sound card and I unmuted everything.. Audigy 2 sound card |
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| 22:55.14 | nostur | can anyone tell me command to change resolution? |
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| 22:57.43 | dli | nostur, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or -xfree86) |
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| 23:02.09 | abcdef | Hello, i just installed debian, but didn't get any extra packages installed, becasue there were no directions on how to select them [i tried many keys,and nothing] so was foirced to skip this part, now i am at the propmt, my question is, how do i get KDE installed? |
| 23:02.13 | nostur | dki:thx |
| 23:02.15 | nostur | dli |
| 23:02.17 | repp | invisible_Debian: do you know what module your sound card uses? |
| 23:02.26 | Serajewel | abcdef: apt-get install kde |
| 23:02.33 | abcdef | package not found error |
| 23:02.40 | abcdef | i got cd 1 and 2 also |
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| 23:02.49 | SerajewelKS | abcdef: is this sarge? |
| 23:02.54 | abcdef | yes |
| 23:02.54 | invisible_Debian | emuk10 or what not.. I just got it to play a wav.. but no audio CD |
| 23:02.59 | ma3x | my system locked (froze) for the 2nd time today. How can I find out what happened? |
| 23:02.59 | SerajewelKS | abcdef: then kde exists |
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| 23:03.03 | abcdef | wait, is ti case sensetive? |
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| 23:03.13 | SerajewelKS | abcdef: i think so |
| 23:03.16 | Lilldude10 | what y type to get into console |
| 23:03.17 | abcdef | err, dang, brb |
| 23:03.22 | repp | abcdef: welcome to unix, most things are case sensitive |
| 23:03.41 | SerajewelKS | Lilldude10: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 23:04.10 | happy_broccoli | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `nagios' in statusoverride file |
| 23:04.12 | repp | ctrl-alt-f7 to go back |
| 23:04.19 | happy_broccoli | how to fix?~! |
| 23:04.20 | abcdef | yes, i typed KDE instead of kde, it works now |
| 23:04.24 | SerajewelKS | repp: actually just alt+f7 |
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| 23:04.28 | jerome | hum, I activated ssl on apache 2 but it seems that apache is just serving http on 443 and not https. Trying to connect to https://localhost fails 'unable to create secureconnection" |
| 23:04.31 | nostur | can anyone tell me, when i have usb mice, should i use /dev/input/mice ? |
| 23:04.32 | jerome | :/ |
| 23:04.33 | abcdef | thankl you |
| 23:04.39 | jerome | I don't get where this come from |
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| 23:04.43 | jerome | +s |
| 23:04.46 | repp | SerajewelKS: I know but for many people, the ctrl- gives a feel of remembering only one key pattern. |
| 23:05.16 | repp | nostur: yes |
| 23:05.20 | nostur | thx |
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| 23:08.09 | Lilldude10 | i lock up black screen how i get back to comsole alt f7 done work |
| 23:08.33 | SerajewelKS | Lilldude10: are you using the *left* alt? |
| 23:08.44 | Lilldude10 | yes |
| 23:08.50 | SerajewelKS | Lilldude10: then it will work |
| 23:09.07 | SerajewelKS | Lilldude10: unless your X video drivers are toast |
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| 23:09.41 | Lilldude10 | m,aybe |
| 23:09.46 | repp | Lilldude10: what is your native language? |
| 23:10.07 | nostur | lmao |
| 23:10.40 | happy_broccoli | what is the debian statusoverride file |
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| 23:11.50 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 23:11.58 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: man dpkg-statoverride |
| 23:12.01 | lgd_ | can i install openoffice.org 2 ? |
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| 23:12.20 | dondelelcaro | !info openoffice.org |
| 23:12.22 | bash | Eh, why are all the nicks taken |
| 23:12.27 | bash | excuse me a sec |
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| 23:12.30 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
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| 23:13.02 | lgd_ | dondelelcaro: i has see the how to for install openoffice.org2 but not install |
| 23:13.27 | dondelelcaro | lgd_: it's just apt-get install openoffice.org if you're running sid. If you're running sarge, you'll need a backport. |
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| 23:13.46 | lgd_ | i tr |
| 23:13.48 | lgd_ | try |
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| 23:17.40 | lgd_ | dondelelcaro: thank |
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| 23:18.51 | Kilikulai | anybody here wanna seed for a torrent i have lol ... |
| 23:19.12 | Fujoor | exit |
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| 23:24.31 | Firestarter2 | what is the command to find out what missing file on my system belongs to what package |
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| 23:27.16 | Kilikulai | anybody here have windows vista |
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| 23:27.25 | Penggu | hi all |
| 23:27.29 | ramiro | windows ? |
| 23:27.30 | Ronin | Kilikulai: on purpose? why |
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| 23:27.41 | azeta | Firestarter2. dpkg-query, apt-file ? |
| 23:27.43 | Ronin | bad enough i have to run/work on xp machines |
| 23:28.03 | Kilikulai | windows vista lol .. like xp .. just newer and coming out late next year .. nobody has it |
| 23:28.04 | Penggu | with respect to winbind for pam.d/login.. there's a lot of stuff already in there - where would i insert winbind lines? |
| 23:28.05 | Kilikulai | ? |
| 23:28.18 | Ronin | Kilikulai: you do know your in a linux channel right? |
| 23:28.25 | Penggu | anyone fully makeover debian auth to AD ? |
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| 23:29.07 | Kilikulai | lol how the hell did i get here! ... |
| 23:29.38 | Ronin | see i keep saying drugs are bad, and there goes proof :) |
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| 23:31.44 | invisible_Debian | Why the hell is Getting NVidia 3d support so confusing in Debian? |
| 23:31.55 | De_Mon | invisible_Debian eh? |
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| 23:32.02 | mathias64 | invisible_Debian: because nvidia won't release the specs to their cards |
| 23:32.07 | Alex14 | how can i choose icewm windows over kde? |
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| 23:32.18 | De_Mon | I didn't find it confusing... |
| 23:32.52 | invisible_Debian | De_Mon, I remember when you did sh nvidia_long_file_name.sh and change your xfree or xorg file and bam done |
| 23:33.25 | De_Mon | oh, it changed? |
| 23:33.28 | De_Mon | bummer. |
| 23:33.44 | invisible_Debian | Yep Yep.. /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 23:34.06 | De_Mon | !tell de_mon about nvidia-howto |
| 23:34.34 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: at this point, im assuming that the fact that the install does not prompt me for the same things (eg pre-inst i believe) is the reaason its failing. so i want to be prompted before i go on to see what else could be causing this package (which just installed fine earlier from fresh) to fail on install now |
| 23:34.47 | invisible_Debian | Talks about exporting some values, and setting global this and that.. |
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| 23:35.11 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: back up. What exactly are you trying to install? What exactly is the error message? Give me the full output of your apt-get/aptitude/dpkg run using the paster bot. |
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| 23:35.42 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: the instal of nagios is screwing up on lack of things in etc. |
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| 23:36.04 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: right, so give me the full and complete output of the apt-get/dpkg/aptitude/whatever run. |
| 23:36.14 | Exegesis | being sick'n'fedup to windows, would you recommend Debian to n00b ? |
| 23:36.35 | Ronin | Exegesis: seriously how much computers do you know? |
| 23:36.40 | dondelelcaro | Exegesis: depends on whether the n00b was comfortable with reading documentation or not |
| 23:36.42 | Ronin | or about i should say |
| 23:36.43 | meriad | my entire packages are totally broken |
| 23:36.48 | meriad | everytime i run apt-get install |
| 23:36.50 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 23:36.51 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 23:36.51 | Exegesis | only some 16y of experience |
| 23:36.53 | meriad | it tells me about unmet dependenices.. |
| 23:36.57 | dondelelcaro | meriad: follow the above instructions. |
| 23:37.00 | meriad | is there a way to fix that? |
| 23:37.05 | threat2 | Exegesis, Debian / Linux / UNIX == read read read :) |
| 23:37.07 | Ronin | in that case Exegesis if you can read definatly :) |
| 23:37.23 | meriad | nah its just scrwey |
| 23:37.26 | takisd | just upgraded woody to sarge plus 2.6 kernel. all good, want to remove kernel wood bf2.4 but dpkg says not installed, can i remove images from /boot and /lib/modules safely? anything else? |
| 23:37.28 | meriad | i just wanna fetch all packages it depends on |
| 23:37.54 | dondelelcaro | meriad: again, give us the output requested... otherwise you're being too vague for us to help |
| 23:38.12 | dondelelcaro | takisd: use dpkg -S; to figure out what installed those images |
| 23:38.15 | meriad | dondelelcaro- i cant access the internet |
| 23:38.20 | meriad | dondelelcaro- with the laptop |
| 23:38.25 | meriad | dondelelcaro- its not so easy to paste |
| 23:38.30 | Exegesis | i just got a laptop so i can move my dependency to windows on some progs to that and do something else with this box... |
| 23:38.46 | dondelelcaro | meriad: does your laptop have a floppy? does it have a serial? there are numerous ways in which you can give us that information... |
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| 23:39.04 | meriad | dondelelcaro- ya, i could also type it out manually |
| 23:39.11 | meriad | dondelelcaro- im too bsy for that, i'll figure out myself, thanks. |
| 23:39.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell meriad -about enter |
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| 23:39.32 | takisd | dondelelcaro: dpkg -S doesn't list the bf2.4 kernel - should be ok to delete stuff no? |
| 23:39.44 | arch_initcall | Besides running as root / dropping to root is there a way to let normal users mount hotplugged drives ? (that may not have an entry in /etc/fstab)? |
| 23:39.49 | dondelelcaro | takisd: no, dpkg -S nameoffileyouwanttodelete; |
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| 23:40.17 | dondelelcaro | takisd: that'll tell you what package installed that file. |
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| 23:40.46 | threat2 | :S, is updating libc6 going to be painful? |
| 23:41.00 | takisd | dondelelcaro: ok... i did dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 and got not found |
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| 23:41.18 | De_Mon | takisd /usr/share/doc/ should have some stuff too |
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| 23:41.41 | De_Mon | takisd dpkg -L <a kernel image> will tell you the stuff it adds |
| 23:41.53 | abcdef | Ok, sorry for bugging everyone again, but i hit another stump, i got kde installed, but it won't load..it keeps loading to the prompt |
| 23:42.18 | whitefunk | hello, i had a hardisk failure and ended up having to restore from tape via knoppix to the localdisk, but the thing is i used grub boot loader and i require lilo. do youknow of a way to load lilo via knoppix to the local disk? |
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| 23:42.23 | De_Mon | arch_initcall sudo? |
| 23:42.36 | takisd | De_Mon: /usr/share/doc only the other 2 kernels i have not bf2.4 - a total mystery, and the other dpkg -S kernel-image didn't give it to me either. baffled! |
| 23:42.41 | abcdef | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.47 | abcdef | oh. |
| 23:42.57 | arch_initcall | De_Mon, i'd prefer no console action |
| 23:42.59 | De_Mon | takisd dpkg -L lists the files a package installed |
| 23:43.33 | De_Mon | arch_initcall that'd be nice, let me know if you find an answer :) |
| 23:43.38 | takisd | De_Mon: i ran dpkg -L kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 and got package not installed |
| 23:43.49 | abcdef | How do i load kde? |
| 23:44.01 | arch_initcall | De_Mon, well I did a script that did that but the new udev update broke it |
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| 23:44.16 | De_Mon | takisd right.. you would have to list the files of a kernel that is installed and just substitute the right version |
| 23:44.41 | De_Mon | arch_initcall I don't mind using a stable version of udev, whats the script? |
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| 23:44.51 | De_Mon | er -- working |
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| 23:45.06 | arch_initcall | De_Mon, self built stuff that I think have somewhere in /etc |
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| 23:45.35 | De_Mon | heh.. |
| 23:45.41 | arch_initcall | De_Mon, it doesn't unmount however |
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| 23:46.26 | pjota | hi there |
| 23:46.31 | abcdef | hello |
| 23:46.31 | arch_initcall | De_Mon, want it - It's not complete but it used to work |
| 23:46.52 | pjota | anybody knows a good chanel of C? |
| 23:46.59 | arch_initcall | abcdef, are you using a Display Manager ? |
| 23:46.59 | xiaogil | Is there a GNU or free search engine like Google ? |
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| 23:47.07 | abcdef | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:47.11 | abcdef | i don't think so. |
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| 23:47.28 | F0xy` | hi, i had a server running FC3, which i decided to stip down and install debian on. So now i have debian running on a fresh hdd and the old hdd on the side, ive remembered i need a database from it. i tried to boot from it but its a no go as i no longer have the same mobo/cpu it originally ran on. in my debian system ive got lvm2 setup and working over two drives. i now realise this drive i want to salvage the data from is |
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| 23:47.34 | arch_initcall | abcdef, like kdm or gdm or xdm |
| 23:47.45 | De_Mon | arch_initcall sure! I need something like that, maybe I'll sit down and fix even. |
| 23:47.49 | abcdef | i don't think so, i don't even know how to check. |
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| 23:48.05 | arch_initcall | De_Mon, Allright let me upload that |
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| 23:48.25 | arch_initcall | abcdef, then ask how to install kdm (if you want kde) |
| 23:48.29 | MrBallZ | F0xy`: do you have an external usb enclosure ... if you do , just connect the drive, plug into usb port, mount and voila ... |
| 23:48.40 | abcdef | what is kdm? i have kde alreayd installed |
| 23:48.43 | Lilldude10 | who ever helped me get nvida card working thanks |
| 23:48.45 | De_Mon | F0xy` interesting story, please continue from "i want to salvange the data from is...." |
| 23:48.51 | PerfDave | Lilldude10: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:49.00 | Lilldude10 | there are folks here who did that |
| 23:49.02 | De_Mon | eh |
| 23:49.13 | Lilldude10 | i am thanking em for help. |
| 23:49.15 | De_Mon | irssi is cutting of text prematurely? |
| 23:49.19 | PerfDave | abcdef: kdm is the kde login manager |
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| 23:49.31 | PerfDave | De_Mon: No, IRC is :) |
| 23:49.32 | abcdef | is it part of the first two debian cds? |
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| 23:49.45 | PerfDave | abcdef: It's on the first CD IIRC. |
| 23:49.49 | F0xy` | well forget the story is there any way to convert an LVM partition to something else that is mountable? that should have been my original question... |
| 23:49.53 | abcdef | apt-get install kdm ? |
| 23:50.01 | PerfDave | abcdef: Good guess :) |
| 23:50.09 | abcdef | then i reboot and viwala? |
| 23:50.10 | De_Mon | PerfDave how did MrBall come up with an answer to an incomplete question? I want esp too! |
| 23:50.22 | arch_initcall | De_Mon, can I msg you the URL ? |
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| 23:50.30 | De_Mon | arch_initcall ya |
| 23:50.34 | PerfDave | De_Mon: When you've been on this channel long enough.... |
| 23:50.43 | PerfDave | abcdef: No need to reboot. |
| 23:50.48 | abcdef | ok, if this doesn't work, i will be back |
| 23:50.48 | nuskool | does anyone use e17 here? |
| 23:50.48 | abcdef | ok |
| 23:50.51 | PerfDave | abcdef: And it's "voila" |
| 23:50.56 | De_Mon | PerfDave hahahahaha |
| 23:51.00 | abcdef | ok |
| 23:51.03 | abcdef | thank you |
| 23:51.14 | harfooz | hi all. I'm doing a fresh install (had some time on my hands this afternoon.) and have been using Sarge, so I thought I'd try out etch -> sid for an office desktop. I've not got much experience with sid, since I've been using Sarge (and Libranet before that). Is Sid a good plan for typical desktop and LaTeX use? |
| 23:51.21 | harfooz | or should I stick with Sarge |
| 23:51.29 | PerfDave | harfooz: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:51.43 | harfooz | thanks PerfDave |
| 23:51.44 | PerfDave | De_Mon: It's like how most questions here are answered by referring the asker to a bot factoid. |
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| 23:51.53 | De_Mon | F0xy` how did you make it an LVM drive? |
| 23:51.54 | PerfDave | harfooz: Personally, I'd stick to Sarge :) |
| 23:51.58 | De_Mon | F0xy` do that in reverse |
| 23:52.34 | F0xy` | yeah but i dont want to loose the data...? |
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| 23:53.11 | ramiro | e17, soundsgreat |
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| 23:53.39 | harfooz | hmm...the faq says to use etch instead of sid, but I always thought things were slow to be fixed in etch. |
| 23:53.40 | nuskool | e17 = very nice |
| 23:53.48 | odla | do you guys know how i can join another server with irssi without disconnecting from this one...i am using gnome-terminal |
| 23:53.48 | nuskool | dunno if it's been worth the wait |
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| 23:53.54 | PerfDave | odla: Yes |
| 23:53.57 | nuskool | but I haven't used the EFL yet so dunno |
| 23:53.59 | arch_initcall | De_Mon, got it ? |
| 23:53.59 | Ronin | odla: yep all covered on irssi.org |
| 23:54.03 | PerfDave | odla: /help connect |
| 23:54.09 | Ronin | or that too |
| 23:54.13 | odla | ok |
| 23:54.15 | odla | i don't mind reading |
| 23:54.29 | fpitt_ | night! |
| 23:54.45 | pigor | hello :-) how can i make kppp accessible for normal user? |
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| 23:55.01 | selfcontr0l | i've tried searching on google, but all i come up with for .img files and linux are distro CD's! heh my question is: what format is a .img file? will all the cd burning programs support .img files? |
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| 23:55.22 | De_Mon | F0xy` well, uh.. you should have thought of that before eh |
| 23:55.25 | PerfDave | selfcontr0l: An .img file is a file which has a .img extension, it doesn't mean anything. |
| 23:55.39 | selfcontr0l | PerfDave: ok it's definately a dvd img |
| 23:55.52 | PerfDave | selfcontr0l: What sort of DVD image? :) |
| 23:55.58 | selfcontr0l | PerfDave: hah :) |
| 23:55.59 | De_Mon | F0xy` if you can remember the partition boundarys and you havent mkfs'ed over them in the lvm partition, you could dd them to an image and try mounting that |
| 23:56.01 | selfcontr0l | exactly |
| 23:56.11 | PerfDave | Pretty much anything will support ISO9660 images, HFS+ and UFS images are not as well supported, IIRC. |
| 23:56.15 | PerfDave | selfcontr0l: Use file? |
| 23:56.21 | selfcontr0l | file? |
| 23:56.25 | PerfDave | selfcontr0l: man file |
| 23:56.29 | selfcontr0l | brb |
| 23:56.31 | De_Mon | F0xy` definately make a backup before breaking it worse (dd) |
| 23:56.32 | arch_initcall | pigor, you have to add them to a group, |
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| 23:57.12 | selfcontr0l | excellent! ok so it's definately iso 9660 cd :) |
| 23:57.17 | Lilldude10 | is there away to check/fix missing files? |
| 23:57.27 | odla | i see use the connect command |
| 23:57.49 | arch_initcall | pigor, I really don't remeber which however |
| 23:57.54 | F0xy` | yeah i know the partition boundries, it was already an lvm i just cant seem to get it to mount, i got it into a volgroup, allocated the space to a logicalvol but when it try to mount i get 'please specify filesystem type', any ideas on that? |
| 23:57.57 | De_Mon | Lilldude10 how did they go missing? |
| 23:57.59 | PerfDave | Lilldude10: What sort of missing files? Restore from backup? :) |
| 23:58.05 | pigor | arch_initcall: oh .. thats all? perhaps "dialout" or so? |
| 23:58.17 | thingfish | De_Mon: that's what I was wondering hehe. |
| 23:58.23 | arch_initcall | pigor, yeah that makes sens - you know how to add users to a group ? |
| 23:58.34 | Lilldude10 | someting aint right it crashes on log out |
| 23:58.58 | PerfDave | Lilldude10: What crashes on log out? If you don't give us detail we can't help you. |
| 23:59.03 | thingfish | Lilldude10: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:59.07 | Lilldude10 | sarge |
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| 23:59.22 | Lilldude10 | i went to log out and screen frooze |
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| 23:59.34 | pigor | arch_initcall: i will try kuser |
| 23:59.51 | arch_initcall | Small question for my own culture, is sid compiled with gcc 4 ? |
