| 00:00.04 | bob2 | sdakota: or is the compilation error from postfix? |
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| 00:00.08 | KerPlunk | karsten: /dev/sda2 98G 16K 98G 1% /external |
| 00:00.08 | bob2 | Tarantulafudge: no |
| 00:00.13 | RoundQube | SerajewelKS gotcha, sorry |
| 00:00.24 | Tarantulafudge | bob2: mmm |
| 00:00.26 | Kerr | bob2: not that i can see. lots of wonderufll driveseek errors from my moody dvd writer, but that's all. |
| 00:00.28 | b14ck | Is there an e17 port for debian? |
| 00:00.30 | KerPlunk | karsten / bob2 I just formated /dev/sda2 with vfat...and it's 98G but when I format /dev/sda it's only 32G |
| 00:00.31 | cmatei | well, yes, it unpacks everything, there's nothing important to do ? |
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| 00:00.38 | cmatei | ... after that |
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| 00:01.11 | bob2 | b14ck: there are broken old packages |
| 00:01.13 | sdakota | bob2: I was applying a VDA patch to postfix |
| 00:01.15 | karsten | KerPlunk: I think what you want to do is 1) rule out BIOS issues (see prior references) and 2) blow away any partition tables. |
| 00:01.16 | bob2 | b14ck: and cvs |
| 00:01.22 | z|0n | My new debian installation won't boot because the module mptspi is missing. I used the etch netinstall iso. Is there a way to work around this? |
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| 00:01.28 | bob2 | sdakota: oh, the error is from postfix? ah. |
| 00:01.28 | b14ck | bob2, why isn't there a new package for it? |
| 00:01.30 | karsten | KerPlunk: ... latter can be accomplished by overwriting disk with dd. |
| 00:01.30 | KerPlunk | karsten: How do I "blow away any partition tables"? |
| 00:01.32 | bob2 | Kerr: how odd |
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| 00:01.39 | bob2 | b14ck: because it hasn't had a release? |
| 00:01.41 | KerPlunk | karsten: I did that dd comman.d.. count isn't an option |
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| 00:01.45 | sdakota | bob2: but the compilation of postfix failed because it couldn't found libsasl2 and the installation of libsasl2 didn't work - nor the build-dep of postfix |
| 00:01.46 | Kerr | bob2: cedega specialises in being hard to kill, it seems. |
| 00:01.48 | karsten | KerPlunk: ... and you may also want to ensure that you don't have any fundamental disk issues. |
| 00:01.51 | b14ck | They don't have -unstable releases? |
| 00:01.53 | odla | what engine do i need to listen to flac? is it the gstreamer? |
| 00:01.54 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1024 count=1 |
| 00:01.55 | bob2 | b14ck: the guy who was making packages from cvs got tired of it eventually |
| 00:01.56 | b14ck | (the deb packages i mean) |
| 00:02.03 | Kerr | bob2: last time i had to kill -CONT .. not that i've a clue what that means. |
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| 00:02.18 | sdakota | bob2: I really don't understand why it is so hard to create a mail system that uses mysql to get users and domains and saves mail in some special directory ... |
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| 00:02.24 | karsten | KerPlunk: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1m count=<space to overwrite> |
| 00:02.32 | bob2 | Kerr: when you ctrl-z something, that sends it SIGSTOP. %1 sends it SIGCONT (which is what kill did). |
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| 00:02.40 | loopdee | bob2: it works, how do i know if hw accelleration is there? |
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| 00:02.45 | sdakota | bob2: but it seems that if you try to do it in a too easy way, there's always something missing - if you want to fix that something, then you'll end up with errors... |
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| 00:02.49 | karsten | KerPlunk: ... I started you off small as it takes less time. You can overwrite the whole damned disk if necessary, it takes a while (30-90 minutes). |
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| 00:03.11 | SerajewelKS | karsten: only the first 1024 bytes have partition information iirc |
| 00:03.11 | bob2 | sdakota: http://kirb.insanegenius.net/postfix.html |
| 00:03.12 | KerPlunk | mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device '/dev/sda' (use -I if wanted) |
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| 00:03.24 | karsten | SerajewelKS: That's my understanding. |
| 00:03.26 | bob2 | loopdee: glxinfo, I think |
| 00:03.32 | KerPlunk | I have to force -I when I do mkfs.vfat for /dev/sda....but I don't have to use -I for /dev/sda2 |
| 00:03.47 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: because sda2 is a partition, and sda is not |
| 00:03.54 | sdakota | bob2: Thanks! |
| 00:03.55 | KerPlunk | ahh, I see |
| 00:04.11 | bob2 | sdakota: don't think it does quota, tho |
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| 00:04.15 | KerPlunk | karsten: So count=99999999999999999999 ? |
| 00:04.21 | sdakota | bob2: it seems to |
| 00:04.25 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: no |
| 00:04.30 | bob2 | who was asking me about apt secure? |
| 00:04.32 | KerPlunk | When I do the dd command does it matter if it's mounted or not. |
| 00:04.33 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1024 count=1 |
| 00:04.39 | KerPlunk | bob2: doug1 was. |
| 00:04.45 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: you want it unmounted |
| 00:04.48 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: I did that. |
| 00:04.56 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: then the partition tables are gone |
| 00:04.58 | sdakota | bob2: though it's for redhat based |
| 00:05.11 | z|0n | can someone help me? |
| 00:05.12 | bob2 | qualms% cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 00:05.12 | bob2 | APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ; |
| 00:05.14 | bob2 | debli: ^ |
| 00:05.25 | bob2 | dougl: ^ |
| 00:05.29 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: When I mkfs.vfat /dev/sda it makes a 32G partition. |
| 00:05.30 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: what does 'fdisk -s /dev/sda' and 'fdisk -s /dev/sda2' say |
| 00:05.49 | karsten | KerPlunk: In theory, 122880 (120 * 1024) is as high as you'd have to go. |
| 00:05.52 | KerPlunk | debian:~# fdisk -s /dev/sda |
| 00:05.53 | KerPlunk | 33027623 |
| 00:05.53 | KerPlunk | debian:~# fdisk -s /dev/sda2 |
| 00:05.53 | KerPlunk | 102398310 |
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| 00:05.58 | dougl | bob2: thanks |
| 00:06.08 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: that is very unusual |
| 00:06.17 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: is the BIOS set to use LBA on that drive? |
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| 00:06.29 | KerPlunk | I do'nt know what LBA is...so I'm guessing no? |
| 00:06.49 | karsten | KerPlunk: I'm guessing you want to reboot and look at your BIOS config options. |
| 00:06.53 | KerPlunk | k |
| 00:06.57 | KerPlunk | What should I look for? |
| 00:07.11 | Kerr | bob2: the guys in #cedega say it's probably a kernel bug.. |
| 00:07.13 | KerPlunk | I want LBA to be enabled if I see that? |
| 00:07.14 | bob2 | sdakota: does the normal source package build? |
| 00:07.20 | bob2 | Kerr: hm, ok. |
| 00:07.24 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: yes |
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| 00:07.28 | sdakota | bob2: I don't know |
| 00:07.32 | KerPlunk | What is the hotkey to get into a toshiba bios...anyone know? |
| 00:07.34 | Solet-deb | rhythembox wont play midi's... anyone know an app that will? |
| 00:07.34 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: the BIOS c/h/s info is probably incorrect |
| 00:07.35 | Kerr | bob2: what choices does that leave me? :-/ |
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| 00:07.46 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: it's amazing that you can get to /dev/sda2 at all |
| 00:07.53 | beardy | !timidity |
| 00:07.53 | dpkg | methinks timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/midi.shtml, or http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/html/get_patches.htm |
| 00:07.57 | sdakota | bob2: never tried... |
| 00:08.10 | bob2 | sdakota: apt-get source -b postfix |
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| 00:08.30 | dougl | where can I apt-secure key file for SID so I can apt-key add <file> |
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| 00:08.33 | KerPlunk | So I'll reboot now and see if I can find LBA in my bios settings...and I'll make sure it is enabled...brb |
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| 00:09.40 | dougl | bob2: what do I do with "APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1" |
| 00:09.55 | bob2 | dougl: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <keyid> ; gpg --export <keyid> | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:10.02 | bob2 | dougl: put it in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 00:11.03 | poop | How can you tell LBA is being used? |
| 00:11.12 | dougl | what is the keyid for sid? |
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| 00:11.25 | SerajewelKS | poop: you mean not being used? |
| 00:11.30 | bob2 | dougl: apt will bitch about the key it wants |
| 00:11.49 | poop | Seraj: either or :) |
| 00:11.57 | dougl | bob2: thanks |
| 00:12.04 | SerajewelKS | poop: it's just a guess.. it looks like it's the case here |
| 00:12.37 | poop | Seraj: Are you referring to my fdisk paste some time ago? (my scrollback is weak) |
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| 00:12.54 | SerajewelKS | poop: no. and please use tab-completion. |
| 00:13.25 | Solet-deb | ok... i tell nautilus to open with timidity and it just stares at me... |
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| 00:13.33 | Tarantulafudge | bob2: anyone here know a good control panel system that can be fetched through apt-get? |
| 00:13.45 | bob2 | none |
| 00:13.51 | bob2 | tho I am writing one myself |
| 00:13.53 | poop | I wonder when my irc script starting doing tab completion. |
| 00:14.05 | Tarantulafudge | bob2: vhcs is open source |
| 00:14.17 | beardy | poop: Use another client? |
| 00:14.24 | SerajewelKS | wtf... just got a phone call. i pick it up.. "hello?" "oops." *click* |
| 00:14.25 | sdakota | Tarantulafudge, but vhcs doesn't work in some cases, like mine |
| 00:14.35 | Tarantulafudge | sdakota: elaborate please |
| 00:14.37 | bob2 | I don't trust people who write web system management software |
| 00:14.39 | poop | beardy: Why would I do that? |
| 00:14.49 | telonir | i just updated the kernel to 2.6 and when i boot into it it never gets to the logon... it says "ALERT!/dev/hda3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell" and it drops into a shell |
| 00:14.51 | sdakota | Tarantulafudge, just as I said - it didn't work - gave me a VHCS login panel after creating the domain etc. |
| 00:14.55 | bob2 | all mine will do is poke postgresql so that powerdns, postfix, dovecot and apache can work together |
| 00:14.58 | beardy | poop: To get working functions. |
| 00:15.00 | bob2 | none of this destroying config file crap |
| 00:15.15 | Tarantulafudge | sdakota: thats the default page |
| 00:15.17 | Solet-deb | is timidity an X application? or is it a command line app? |
| 00:15.18 | poop | beardy: tab completion is hardly compelling (this one's been working for a decade or so) |
| 00:15.29 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: command line |
| 00:15.39 | Solet-deb | well fuck... |
| 00:15.41 | telonir | any ideas? and in dev i didnt fint any hda* |
| 00:15.45 | bob2 | the timidity package depends on a lot of X stuff |
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| 00:15.59 | Solet-deb | anyone know a media player that plays midi's in X??? i cant make rhythmbox do it |
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| 00:16.02 | SerajewelKS | bob2: because it has some X frontends |
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| 00:16.13 | SerajewelKS | bob2: but in its default mode it's like mpg321 |
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| 00:16.19 | sdakota | Tarantulafudge, I know - but after adding a domain, it should display the uploaded pages should show and NOT the vhcs login panel ¬.¬ |
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| 00:16.24 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: use timidity or any of the players that can control it. |
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| 00:16.31 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS / karsten then only option I saw for hdd stuff was hdd mode..and the choices Toshiba gave me were "Standard IDE" Or "Enhanced IDE" |
| 00:16.33 | beardy | poop: It was just a suggestion, do what you want. |
| 00:16.39 | KerPlunk | It was on enhanced by default...I changed it to standard. |
| 00:16.42 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: no "disk type"? |
| 00:16.48 | Solet-deb | dondelelcaro: when i click timidity from my application list it just stares at me |
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| 00:16.57 | Tarantulafudge | sdakota: did you remove the index? |
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| 00:17.06 | valdyn | Solet-deb: or fluidsynth |
| 00:17.09 | sdakota | Tarantulafudge, I didn't remove anything |
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| 00:17.20 | sdakota | Tarantulafudge, I did what I was told to do |
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| 00:17.51 | telonir | help?! |
| 00:17.53 | remote | help! |
| 00:18.01 | remote | where's bpf.h in sarge anyways |
| 00:18.05 | Solet-deb | valdyn: is fluidsynth an X app? with a real interface and all? |
| 00:18.06 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: no |
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| 00:18.19 | SerajewelKS | telonir: is root= set properly in your boot loader? |
| 00:18.21 | beardy | remote: locate bpf.h |
| 00:18.26 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: O_o how old is the computer |
| 00:18.28 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: I have "usbmount" installed....so it automounts my usb thumb drive when I plug it in...could it be interfering with my external drive? |
| 00:18.33 | valdyn | Solet-deb: no, but both implement a midi port that various apps can play midi files with |
| 00:18.33 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: ah |
| 00:18.37 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: This laptop is a year old. |
| 00:18.38 | telonir | SerajewelKS will check |
| 00:18.39 | remote | beardy: no, where is it in sarge? |
| 00:18.41 | KerPlunk | It's 3 ghz |
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| 00:18.47 | bob2 | !+find bpf.h |
| 00:18.48 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: hrm.. should support LBA.. |
| 00:18.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 00:18.51 | Solet-deb | midi port? |
| 00:18.54 | sdakota | bob2: it built |
| 00:18.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bpf.h' (6 of 7): (/usr/include/device/bpf.h) in devel/gnumach-dev ;; (/usr/include/net/bpf.h) in libdevel/libpcap0.7-dev ;; (/usr/include/pcap-bpf.h) in libdevel/libpcap0.8-dev ;; (/usr/include/oskit/freebsd/net/bpf.h) in devel/oskit ;; (/usr/include/nessus/net/bpf.h) in libdevel/libnessus-dev ;; (/usr/include/newlib/net/bpf.h) in libdevel/libnewlib-headers. |
| 00:18.59 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: I bought it as is...not a custom build or anything...came with windows xp on it |
| 00:19.01 | sdakota | WTF |
| 00:19.06 | sdakota | bob2: now it placed all files in local dir |
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| 00:19.16 | bob2 | sdakota: s/files/packages/, yes |
| 00:19.17 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: When I booted up...my external drive was mounted, because of usbmount |
| 00:19.18 | remote | oskit |
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| 00:19.24 | KerPlunk | Should I try uninstalling usbmount maybe? |
| 00:19.25 | valdyn | Solet-deb: midi needs hardware support without emulation, both, timidity and fluidsynth can emulate that |
| 00:19.28 | bob2 | haha, oskit is in debian? |
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| 00:19.43 | sdakota | bob2: it compiled though |
| 00:19.49 | remote | why is dpkg faster in public than private |
| 00:19.54 | sdakota | I have to apply the patch and recompile now? |
| 00:19.58 | remote | hey this is 30MB |
| 00:20.03 | remote | i only need a single file |
| 00:20.22 | bob2 | sdakota: cd to the source dir, apply patch, run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us' |
| 00:20.29 | telonir | SerajewelKS it is.. set to /dev/hda3 |
| 00:20.30 | sdakota | ok |
| 00:20.33 | SerajewelKS | Solet-deb: because to play midis you need a synth |
| 00:20.35 | telonir | same as on 2.4 |
| 00:20.40 | bob2 | I'd think gstreamer-based stuff can do it |
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| 00:20.51 | SerajewelKS | telonir: oh, you upgraded from 2.4? did you set the initrd in your boot loader? |
| 00:21.05 | poop | I wonder what magic the BIOS uses when I set drive access (LBA,large,CHS) to Auto. |
| 00:21.09 | SerajewelKS | telonir: apt-get should have told you about initrd when you installed a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:21.16 | telonir | root (hd0,2) |
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| 00:21.22 | telonir | initrd? |
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| 00:21.34 | SerajewelKS | telonir: did you not pay attention when apt-getting the kernel? |
| 00:21.39 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: After my reboot... mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda2 doesn't work anymore. |
| 00:21.40 | SerajewelKS | telonir: it told you how to enable initrd |
| 00:21.41 | telonir | nope |
| 00:21.44 | valdyn | Solet-deb: windows media players dont know this either |
| 00:21.45 | remote | nah that's not it |
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| 00:21.51 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: no, because we wiped the partition table, remember? |
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| 00:22.16 | telonir | SerajewelKS would you explain how? |
| 00:22.18 | Solet-deb | valdyn: well all my media players in windows play midi's just fine and i never installed anything special... |
| 00:22.25 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: yea, but after we wiped it I was able to do this command. |
| 00:22.27 | SerajewelKS | telonir: i don't know how for grub, i use lilo |
| 00:22.32 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: But after the reboot I wasn't able. |
| 00:22.35 | valdyn | Solet-deb: windows includes software midi emulation |
| 00:22.43 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: because the kernel didn't reload the partition table |
| 00:22.55 | valdyn | Solet-deb: and media players just use that, same as in debian, you just have to start the 'emulation' yourself |
| 00:23.03 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: it doesn't check the partition table every time someone opens /dev/sda2.. that'd be stupid |
| 00:23.14 | telonir | how to do it in lilo. should be similar with different syntax |
| 00:23.16 | KerPlunk | ahh, ok |
| 00:23.18 | Solet-deb | well i installed timidity and rhythmbox still just stares at me |
| 00:23.19 | Kerr | bob2: I think it is a kernel error, but i dunno how to read this stuff.. #flood for some dmesg output ? |
| 00:23.20 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: So what can I do now? |
| 00:23.41 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: The dd command again? |
| 00:23.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i wish windows didn't. some guy was in here last month insisting that he had a hardware MIDI card because he could play MIDIs in windows "without a software synth". |
| 00:23.57 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: fdisk /dev/sda and make new partitions |
| 00:23.58 | beardy | Solet-deb: 'timidity somemidifile.mid' |
| 00:23.59 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: yea |
| 00:24.11 | mcm | while compiling a new kernel with make-kpkg i get the following error: install: cannot stat `conf.vars': No such file or directory |
| 00:24.18 | mcm | what could be the problem? |
| 00:24.24 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it confused me for a while too when i was a linux newbie |
| 00:24.39 | SerajewelKS | mcm: did you configure the kernel yet? |
| 00:24.42 | mcm | also there are no outstanding bugs related to this. |
| 00:24.46 | mcm | SerajewelKS: yes. |
| 00:24.53 | Solet-deb | beardy: i want to play it with my player... i dont want to fall back to command line... |
| 00:24.57 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: Once I'm in fdisk...what should my command be? |
| 00:24.57 | valdyn | Solet-deb: and to make things worse i think you even have to pirate some sound fonts i guess ;) |
| 00:25.12 | SerajewelKS | speaking of midi, is there any good music authoring software for debian? either "real music" (e.g. finale) or synth (e.g. fruity loops)? |
| 00:25.17 | mcm | SerajewelKS: a normal 'make' works fine. |
| 00:25.26 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: type ? and use the commands |
| 00:25.37 | SerajewelKS | mcm: *shrug* do you have a reason for building a kernel? |
| 00:25.40 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: I've never used fdisk before...I want to makre sure I don't do it wrong. |
| 00:25.53 | beardy | SerajewelKS: There are some trackers, and some midi ones. |
| 00:25.54 | KerPlunk | Is there a more simplified partitioner? |
| 00:25.56 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: the disk is wiped, you can't really do anything wrong here |
| 00:25.58 | sdakota | gtg, bye |
| 00:26.01 | mcm | SerajewelKS: yes. to compile truecrypt. |
| 00:26.09 | SerajewelKS | beardy: i never figured out how to use trackers =/ |
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| 00:26.17 | Solet-deb | ok it says its broke... can i paste 4 lines? |
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| 00:26.25 | SerajewelKS | mcm: ah, i was looking at that last week. |
| 00:26.26 | KerPlunk | First cylinder (1-32253, default 1): |
| 00:26.27 | telonir | SerajewelKS i have "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-2-686" in the grub menu file |
| 00:26.32 | SerajewelKS | mcm: have you tried encfs? |
| 00:26.33 | KerPlunk | k |
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| 00:26.40 | beardy | SerajewelKS: There might be other kinds too, browse the packagelist under Sound? |
| 00:26.42 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: It shows my hdd as 32G still |
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| 00:27.00 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: weird... unfortunately i don't think i can help you here =/ |
| 00:27.22 | mcm | SerajewelKS: no. the thing is that i can use truecrypt on an usb stick also on windows machines. eg. work |
| 00:27.26 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: But I had a 98G partition on /dev/sda2 |
| 00:27.28 | SerajewelKS | !tell Mariele about away |
| 00:27.31 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: now I only have 32G |
| 00:27.32 | lawnchair | is there a shell command that will let you use pause until you hit enter |
| 00:27.43 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: yeah, i don't know what's up either |
| 00:27.54 | SerajewelKS | lawnchair: yeah.. don't remember what it is though |
| 00:27.55 | KerPlunk | How can I get the 98G partition back...that is better then 32G |
| 00:28.00 | lawnchair | SerajewelKS, :-) |
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| 00:28.26 | mcm | lawnchair: as far as i remember it was 'read' or so |
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| 00:28.47 | telonir | so any other ideas? |
| 00:28.49 | Stereo | is there a smart way of hard-rebooting a box? Ethernet is misconfigured and the usb module for the keyboard has been uloaded by mistake. |
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| 00:29.25 | Haukkari_ | Stereo: if it has acpi support and acpid pressing the power button shortly might do the trick.. so, no. :) |
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| 00:29.43 | Haukkari_ | Stereo: Windows has that by default, tho I don't think that that helps... :) |
| 00:29.46 | SerajewelKS | lawnchair: try 'read' |
| 00:29.54 | SerajewelKS | mcm: yeah... =) |
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| 00:30.04 | beardy | Stereo: Do you have some sort of hotplugging? Try plug out and in your keyboard? Plug in a real keyboard instead? |
| 00:30.07 | mcm | Stereo: there is are some mouse combinations but those must be compiled into kernel as far as i can remember. and by default it's not the case. so i would say no. |
| 00:30.21 | lawnchair | ok |
| 00:30.23 | beardy | mcm: No, gpm. |
| 00:30.28 | abrotman | how do you accidentally unload the mouse module ? |
| 00:30.43 | mcm | beardy: thank you for correcting me. |
| 00:30.44 | Early | who help me 10 min ago? |
| 00:30.57 | telonir | i just updated the kernel to 2.6 and when i boot into it it never gets to the logon... it says "ALERT!/dev/hda3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell" and it drops into a shell |
| 00:30.58 | beardy | mcm: You're welcome. |
| 00:31.05 | Stereo | Haukkari: I'll try that |
| 00:31.08 | SerajewelKS | beardy: can you recommend a decent tracker? |
| 00:31.09 | Stereo | beardy: tried that |
| 00:31.17 | SerajewelKS | beardy: something simple? |
| 00:31.18 | Haukkari | Stereo: don't. I think it will not work. :) |
| 00:31.20 | telonir | SerajewelKS i have "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-2-686" in the grub menu file |
| 00:31.21 | Stereo | mcm: I only have usb mice around |
| 00:31.25 | Early | just to said that it s ok ! BIg thx :) |
| 00:31.34 | Stereo | Haukkari: the worst it can do is shut the bix down |
| 00:31.35 | Haukkari | Stereo: but if it has a journaling fs, it shouldn't get too depressed from a hard halt... Tho I'm not promising anything. :) |
| 00:31.44 | SerajewelKS | telonir: pastebin your menu file |
| 00:31.48 | lawnchair | SerajewelKS, wroks great...thanks man |
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| 00:31.52 | Stereo | yeah |
| 00:31.59 | mcm | Stereo: hehe... since my laptops no longer support ps2 i had to change almost everything to usb. |
| 00:32.06 | Stereo | well, the power button didn't do anything. Hard reboot, here we come. |
| 00:32.19 | Haukkari | yeah, have fun. :) |
| 00:32.26 | SerajewelKS | Stereo: you could unplug it |
| 00:32.32 | Haukkari | I'm off to watch one more episode of South Park and then I'm going to bed... Good night everyone. |
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| 00:33.48 | Stereo | SerajewelKS: that's what I'm going to do |
| 00:33.54 | Early | i want to connect my wireless card on WPA iwconfig can do this ?? |
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| 00:35.28 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Sorry, I haven't tried any of them. |
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| 00:36.33 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:36.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:36.35 | telonir | pasted at pastebin.com |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | we need the url |
| 00:36.44 | beardy | SerajewelKS: I guess they all are simillar. I think there is a midi/note recording program called rosegarden? |
| 00:37.05 | abrotman | ardour is interseting .. but not for recording i don't think |
| 00:37.10 | abrotman | !info ardour sarge |
| 00:37.32 | beardy | SerajewelKS: (only tried that on woody, and didn't get any sound out of it though :) but you might be more lucky) |
| 00:37.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not really recording.. i don't have a MIDI card. just for pointing and clicking. something like fruity loops. |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | that's no the name |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | hrm . i had it installed once .. |
| 00:38.03 | SerajewelKS | !info ardour woody |
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| 00:38.19 | SerajewelKS | =/ |
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| 00:38.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: there was a decent article at newsforge .. if you want me to look for it |
| 00:38.31 | beardy | !info rosegarden woody |
| 00:38.34 | dpkg | rosegarden: (An integrated MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor.), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.1pl3-1 (woody), Packaged size: 342 kB, Installed size: 1084 kB |
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| 00:38.45 | beardy | !info rosegarden sarge |
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| 00:38.51 | abrotman | why are you playing iwth woody ? |
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| 00:38.52 | dpkg | rosegarden: (An integrated MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.1pl4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
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| 00:39.13 | wireddd | anyone know when etch will make the transition to stable? |
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| 00:39.29 | abrotman | wireddd: WIR |
| 00:39.31 | beardy | abrotman: Because that was what I used when I last tried that program. |
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| 00:39.37 | telonir | http://pastebin.com/457871 |
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| 00:39.51 | telonir | thats my menu.lst |
| 00:40.01 | chealer | !tell wireddd about wwer |
| 00:40.08 | wireddd | abrotman, yeah I know that, but isn't there some sort of timetable |
| 00:40.20 | abrotman | wireddd: the current guess is next winter IIRC .. |
| 00:40.34 | mcm | at which stage make-kpkg generate the conf.vars files ? |
| 00:40.42 | mcm | at which stage make-kpkg generates the conf.vars files ? |
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| 00:40.51 | beardy | abrotman: I still have a woody box though. |
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| 00:40.56 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that article talks about using your machine as a studio |
| 00:41.00 | abrotman | beardy: slow poke |
| 00:41.04 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: okay thanks, will check it out |
| 00:41.11 | telonir | any ideas why /dev/hda3 didnt even show up in /dev? |
| 00:41.11 | beardy | abrotman: ? |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | beardy: sarge has been released :) |
| 00:41.20 | SerajewelKS | telonir: sounds like a fscked initrd to me |
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| 00:41.39 | abrotman | what to eat .. what to eat |
| 00:41.39 | wireddd | abrotman, thanks that I all I needed to know |
| 00:41.48 | abrotman | wireddd: sooner if you help! :) |
| 00:41.52 | thingfish | abrotman: are you fixing something? |
| 00:41.55 | beardy | abrotman: Yes I heard something about that ;) |
| 00:41.59 | abrotman | thingfish: i need food! |
| 00:42.00 | thingfish | abrotman: what do you have? |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | thingfish: tuna and OJ |
| 00:42.14 | abrotman | oh .. and mustard! |
| 00:42.17 | Azar | hardware question: if I have only an ethernet card, missing a regular modem hardware, can a dialup connection be configured and working? |
| 00:42.19 | thingfish | abrotman: you need to go to the grocery store. |
| 00:42.19 | wireddd | abrotman, the way things have been working lately with my copy of etch, it might take longer ;) |
| 00:42.25 | abrotman | thingfish: no .. i have much more food |
| 00:42.30 | beardy | abrotman: The box is a 486 with 8MB RAM, and no net connection, so it is happy with woody at the moment. |
| 00:42.33 | abrotman | wireddd: you're a KDE user ? |
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| 00:42.43 | abrotman | beardy: my 486 runs sarge with a 2.6 kernel :) |
| 00:42.50 | thingfish | abrotman: ok, that's good. so fix some pasta and tuna. |
| 00:42.57 | wireddd | yeah, that I am |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | thingfish: no more pasta .. ate that m,t,w |
| 00:43.01 | thingfish | pasta, white beans, and tuna. |
| 00:43.04 | thingfish | oh |
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| 00:43.32 | beardy | abrotman: I haven't found more RAM for it, but I'll try upgrade to sarge, when I feel up to downloading the cd:s. |
| 00:43.40 | abrotman | beardy: 72pin FPM ? |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | !hi |
| 00:44.59 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 00:45.06 | dvs | abrotman: How much RAM? |
| 00:45.16 | dvs | Oh 8MB. |
| 00:45.18 | dvs | Sorry |
| 00:45.28 | abrotman | dvs: are you going to send beardy some RAM ? |
| 00:45.51 | dvs | abrotman: Wouldn't 8MB maxx out a 486? |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | dvs: mine has 36MB |
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| 00:46.38 | wireddd | I have a 486 with alot more than 36MB in it |
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| 00:47.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: rosegarden looks damn sexy |
| 00:47.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: look at ardour! |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i wish someone would package wired ... |
| 00:48.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah ardour looks nice too |
| 00:48.34 | wireddd | but I don;t want to be packaged |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: http://ardour.org/ |
| 00:48.39 | abrotman | wireddd: the app! |
| 00:48.42 | SerajewelKS | wireddd: rofl |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | http://bloodshed.net/wired/ |
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| 00:49.31 | wireddd | well I guess I need to get involved in this what ever it is |
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| 00:50.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: too bad the website isn't functional |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: for which ? |
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| 00:50.26 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: oh .. for wired .. i know |
| 00:50.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: wired. the download and screenshot links return the same content as home. |
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| 00:50.38 | abrotman | i know |
| 00:50.43 | abrotman | i used ot know how to get around it |
| 00:50.46 | lo- | any idea if AH in ipsec is used only in the negotiation part or in every packet? |
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| 00:51.08 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: http://freshmeat.net/projects/wired/ |
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| 00:51.31 | wireddd | SerajewelKS, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=120022 |
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| 00:52.55 | wireddd | sourceforge should have its own repository |
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| 00:53.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: O_o the version of rosegarden in debian says it's 2.1, but the screenshot on rosegarden's site is of 1.0, and it's qt |
| 00:53.16 | beardy | abrotman: 72pin SIMM, 64MB (two 32MB) is the maximum for it. |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | beardy: i wonder if shingouz is near you .. he has lots of old hardware .. so does toresbe |
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| 00:54.47 | beardy | abrotman: I think toresbe is closest, where is shingouz from? |
| 00:55.03 | abrotman | beardy: one of those banana shaped frozen countries :) |
| 00:55.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: nm, the package description says why |
| 00:55.10 | beardy | abrotman: "close" is of course relative :) |
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| 00:55.28 | beardy | abrotman: :) |
| 00:55.42 | beardy | Sounds close then :) |
| 00:55.43 | abrotman | beardy: shingouz might be from .fi |
| 00:56.19 | anonymous_object | I got a massive problem with /tmp being unwritable... :-( |
| 00:56.28 | anonymous_object | anyone seen that? |
| 00:56.38 | beardy | abrotman: They are at roughly the same distance then, I just have decide to go east or west then (toresbe is from .no right?) |
| 00:56.44 | abrotman | anonymous_object: oh .. that's not that bad . at least they didn't write protect the whole harddrive :) |
| 00:56.47 | dvs | anonymous_object: Is it its own separate partition? |
| 00:56.54 | anonymous_object | nope, just on / |
| 00:56.56 | anonymous_object | drwxrwxrwx 6 root root 4096 Dec 9 15:23 tmp |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | anonymous_object: ls -ld /tmp/ |
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| 00:57.25 | abrotman | anonymous_object: that's not right |
| 00:57.44 | anonymous_object | should t? |
| 00:57.45 | beardy | *have to decide to |
| 00:57.51 | anonymous_object | *be |
| 00:58.06 | abrotman | beardy: yep .. ask him in -ot if he has any .. |
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| 00:58.22 | abrotman | anonymous_object: yeah .. i believe so |
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| 00:58.46 | abrotman | anonymous_object: is the rest of / also unwritable ? |
| 00:58.56 | anonymous_object | no, the rest of the mount is fine |
| 00:59.23 | abrotman | $ ls -ld /tmp/ |
| 00:59.23 | abrotman | drwxrwxrwt 11 root root 4096 2005-12-09 19:07 /tmp/ |
| 00:59.24 | abrotman | anonymous_object: that's mine |
| 00:59.28 | anonymous_object | I don't even know what the 't' means |
| 00:59.42 | abrotman | man chmod .. if you really want to know |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | !wiki anonymous_object Permissions |
| 00:59.53 | abrotman | damn it! |
| 01:00.01 | abrotman | i don't know how to make that factoid work :) |
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| 01:00.13 | abrotman | !wikifaq anonymous_object Permissions |
| 01:00.14 | dpkg | anonymous_object: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:00.23 | Xenguy | anonymous_object: the 't' is the 'sticky bit' - google it for more info |
| 01:00.33 | Eno_ | i'm considering running unstable... is there some place i can check for things that break? |
| 01:00.50 | anonymous_object | ok |
| 01:00.51 | anonymous_object | thanks |
| 01:01.52 | Azar | newbie question here: If I add a modem hardware after I installed Sarge, should I reinstall after adding the modem? |
| 01:02.10 | PerfDave | Azar: No |
| 01:02.42 | Xenguy | !fr |
| 01:02.42 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 01:02.43 | chealer | Eno_: the BTS |
| 01:02.48 | Xenguy | ww |
| 01:02.49 | Azar | thanks PerfDave, should I run modconf to load the modules for it, or it will be auto-recognized? |
| 01:02.57 | abrotman | Eno_: please don't :) |
| 01:03.00 | chealer | Eno_: but if you have to ask, you shouldn't consider running unstable |
| 01:03.01 | Eno_ | heh |
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| 01:03.36 | abrotman | Azar: is it ISA or PCI ? |
| 01:03.36 | Eno_ | sarge has annoyed me twice today... and that could have been solved by installing unstable packages |
| 01:03.47 | Azar | abrotman, a PCI |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | Eno_: yes .. but unstable breaks ... badly sometimes |
| 01:03.49 | Eno_ | the packages i want to install upgrade a lot of stuff, though |
| 01:03.55 | nix | Eno_: learn to source compile. see debian reference manual :) |
| 01:03.55 | abrotman | Azar: lspci .. do you see it ? |
| 01:03.56 | Eno_ | yeah.. |
| 01:04.08 | chealer | Eno_: and not by etch packages? |
| 01:04.12 | stew | Eno_: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | Eno_: what are they ? |
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| 01:04.20 | Azar | abrotman, no, and I can see with naked eye, it was not installed (the hardware) |
| 01:04.20 | stew | Eno_: you really don't want to mix stable with non-stable |
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| 01:04.37 | abrotman | Azar: huh ? you didn't plug it in yet ? |
| 01:04.47 | Eno_ | libxinerama1 and xmms-musepack or gstreamer0.8-musepack |
| 01:04.57 | Azar | the friend who built the box installed 2 ethernet cards but seem he forgot to add a modem card |
| 01:04.58 | Eno_ | were the ones i wanted |
| 01:05.17 | Azar | abrotman I was using the ethernet |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | Azar: you want a modem why ? |
| 01:05.54 | Azar | abrotman, the box is built for a friend of mine who does not have a dsl connection, only dialup |
| 01:06.12 | Azar | I installed Debian for him for that reason |
| 01:06.27 | abrotman | Azar: did you give him unstable too ? |
| 01:06.40 | Eno_ | chealer: i ddin't actually try etch |
| 01:06.51 | Azar | abrotman, no the best stable Sarge with all Sarge only packages |
| 01:06.54 | anonymous_object | so, I should add the sticky bit to the /tmp dir? |
| 01:06.57 | Azar | beautiful |
| 01:07.02 | abrotman | anonymous_object: probably |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | Azar: so lspci doesn't show the modem? .. but you're 100% sure it's pci ? |
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| 01:07.31 | anonymous_object | chmod +t /tmp chmod: changing permissions of `/tmp': Operation not permitted |
| 01:07.33 | chealer | Eno_: I'm not saying to try it, just that you don't want to use unstable unless you're sure that testing is worst |
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| 01:07.35 | Azar | abrotman, correct, only the Ethernet controllers, missing Communication controller |
| 01:07.42 | nix | anonymous_object: try as root |
| 01:07.45 | anonymous_object | I am root |
| 01:07.52 | nix | anonymous_object: what file system? |
| 01:07.54 | anonymous_object | I can't modify anything in /tmp even as root... |
| 01:07.56 | anonymous_object | ext3 |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | Azar: paste your lspci somewhere |
| 01:08.09 | Azar | it has 2 ethernet cards, a natsemi, and a Rhine, no regular modem whatsoever |
| 01:08.11 | g3brown | After the first login on a Redhat server with SecureCRT, I get a passwordless login in the future. I can't seem to get this working on Debian 3.1. Anyone use SecureCRT this way? |
| 01:08.27 | Eno_ | chealer: would mixed up packages be better or worse in the long run than running pure unstable or testing? |
| 01:08.38 | nix | g3brown: read about using ssh keys instead of passwords |
| 01:08.39 | Azar | abrotman what was that online link for paste? |
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| 01:08.57 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:08.57 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 01:09.27 | chealer | Eno_: it depends. if testing has an important problem fixed in unstable, consider setting an etch/sid mix |
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| 01:09.32 | g3brown | nix: I did. I generated a key set id_rsa and id_rsa.pub. I specified the .pub file to SecureCRT, but it errors saying wrong info. |
| 01:10.11 | Eno_ | chealer: i think i'll just stick with sarge... i hate having broken things |
| 01:10.27 | Azar | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1256 |
| 01:11.32 | abrotman | Azar: lspci ? |
| 01:11.38 | chealer | Eno_: I run testing on laptop, but my main desktop has sarge. so I'm not doomed when etch has issues...like happens rather regularly |
| 01:11.42 | Azar | abrotman, yes |
| 01:11.50 | Azar | that is all I have there |
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| 01:12.00 | abrotman | Azar: the real output .. just `lspci` .. that's it |
| 01:12.31 | Azar | hmm the box is disconnected now, I have only copyied the lspci info there |
| 01:12.45 | Azar | ... plus the cpu info |
| 01:12.49 | loopdee | was there a huge change to kernel-source 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 01:12.54 | ice_1963 | my main is testing lol but it run's good :0) |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | Azar: do you have the box in front of you ? |
| 01:13.01 | abrotman | ice_1963: runs well |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | gah .. i'm not an english teacher! |
| 01:13.13 | ice_1963 | yes |
| 01:13.14 | Azar | abrotman yes, but not connected. |
| 01:13.27 | abrotman | Azar: that's fine .. do you have the side off ? |
| 01:13.41 | Azar | abrotman, I looked in the back , I do not see any phone line connection, just 2 ethernet connections |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | Azar: so what makes you think there's a modem in there ? |
| 01:13.52 | Azar | abrotman, no I did not open it |
| 01:14.22 | abrotman | Azar: so you don't see any RJ11 ports .. but you're sure there's a modem inside ? |
| 01:14.23 | Azar | abrotman, that's the point: I do not see a modem installed |
| 01:14.33 | Azar | there is no modem inside |
| 01:14.46 | abrotman | Azar: so how would you like to test this nonexistant modem ? |
| 01:14.47 | Azar | otherwise Id see a phone line connection in the back |
| 01:14.49 | nix | !moo |
| 01:14.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | Azar: so you want help setting up the modem that isn't plugged in >? |
| 01:15.33 | bucky | Azar, do you think your friend would give up his modem to you when all he has is dial up? |
| 01:15.38 | nix | g3brown: the private key belongs on the machine you run opencrt. the public keys go to your linux box in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 01:15.54 | anonymous_object | I rebooted and ran fsck... still can't write to /tmp :( |
| 01:15.55 | bucky | he probably has a nice external modem |
| 01:15.56 | nix | g3brown: never share your private key. keep it safe. |
| 01:16.11 | abrotman | anonymous_object: chmod +t /tmp/ ? |
| 01:16.16 | nix | g3brown: i mean securecrt ofcourse. |
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| 01:16.27 | abrotman | anonymous_object: is there anything in it ? |
| 01:16.27 | Azar | I intend to add the missing modem card, the only question was is that after I installed Sarge completely with all stuff, what I have to do that Sarge will recognize the modem? |
| 01:16.36 | anonymous_object | abrotman: returns chmod: changing permissions of `/tmp/': Operation not permitted |
| 01:16.40 | nix | anonymous_object: echo hi > /tmp/test. does that work? |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | Azar: depends on the modem :) |
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| 01:17.02 | nix | anonymous_object: is your /tmp mounted read-only? |
| 01:17.14 | anonymous_object | abrotman: bash: /tmp/test: Permission denied |
| 01:17.16 | Azar | :) yay, what modem could work better with Sarge, kernel 2.6.8 ? |
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| 01:17.26 | anonymous_object | nix: it's not a separate mount... it's part of / |
| 01:17.34 | nix | anonymous_object: is / mounted read only? |
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| 01:17.41 | abrotman | anonymous_object: is there anything in /tmp/ at all ? |
| 01:17.42 | nix | anonymous_object: e.g. echo hi > /test |
| 01:17.42 | beardy | Azar: Modems are not recognized. Just start using it. (Iäm talking about real modems now) |
| 01:17.53 | anonymous_object | nix: no, I can write to anywhere except /tmp |
| 01:17.56 | Azar | ok what modem would !=work with Sarge? |
| 01:18.05 | Azar | winmodem will still be an issue? |
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| 01:18.09 | nix | Azar: every external modem |
| 01:18.16 | beardy | Azar: Any winmodem that doesn't work under linux. |
| 01:18.24 | Azar | yay!! external modems! tell me more |
| 01:18.26 | anonymous_object | abrotman: yes, some old files like .X11-unix |
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| 01:18.29 | dvs | nix: Even USB ones? ;-) |
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| 01:18.39 | nix | any external *serial* modem. :) |
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| 01:18.51 | Azar | serial!! thanks |
| 01:18.55 | dvs | nix: universal SERIAL bus. ;-) |
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| 01:19.09 | nix | dvs: sigh:) |
| 01:19.30 | harleyg | i need some help, i am trying to use apt-get and it says sopmething about ircd-hybrid, and to use -f, i try -f and it gives me the same problem |
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| 01:19.33 | harleyg | any ideas? |
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| 01:20.07 | FliesLikeABrick | if i want to make a wrapper script to run with adduser to chgrp public_html to "site", how would i go about doing such a thing? |
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| 01:20.30 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: to do what to what ? |
| 01:20.42 | FliesLikeABrick | in /etc/skel i have public_html |
| 01:20.44 | FliesLikeABrick | folder |
| 01:20.55 | FliesLikeABrick | and within each user home, i need that folder to belong to the group "site" |
| 01:20.59 | FliesLikeABrick | how would i go aboud accomplishing that? |
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| 01:21.10 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: just write a script :) |
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| 01:21.24 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman yes, but i don't know where the script goes, how i get it to execute when i want it to, etc |
| 01:21.44 | FliesLikeABrick | this is my first entry into scripting for anything, useful or otherwise |
| 01:21.47 | FliesLikeABrick | all i need is a start :P |
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| 01:21.50 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: adduser.local or something .. #bash is more helpful than here |
| 01:22.04 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: err . i meant call it adduser.local .. but yes .. ask #bash for more help |
| 01:22.16 | beardy | FliesLikeABrick: in the script that you will write, run adduser, then chown the /home/variableuser/public_html to what you need? |
| 01:22.27 | kingsley | FliesLikeABrick: Something like: for dir in $(ls /home/*) ; do chgrp site $dir ; done |
| 01:22.32 | FliesLikeABrick | ah ok, so the script calls adduser |
| 01:22.34 | nix | FliesLikeABrick: a general "chgrp site /home/*/public_html" would work as root |
| 01:22.37 | FliesLikeABrick | rather than adduser calling the script? |
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| 01:23.02 | FliesLikeABrick | ta |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: right .. you write a script that can pass vars to adduser .. then it can chgrp the public_html |
| 01:23.10 | beardy | !abs-guide |
| 01:23.10 | dpkg | methinks abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . or apt-get install abs-guide |
| 01:23.31 | npx | I inline bash in perl scripts |
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| 01:23.40 | npx | that's how I roll |
| 01:23.52 | karsten | npx: I prefer to sideline it. |
| 01:23.52 | anonymous_object | fuser /tmp doesn't return anything either... |
| 01:24.03 | FliesLikeABrick | alright, well let me ask another question that may yield a better solution to my problem |
| 01:24.11 | FliesLikeABrick | i don't want one user to be able to see anything in another user's home |
| 01:24.17 | FliesLikeABrick | chmodding /home/user to 751 isn't enough |
| 01:24.31 | FliesLikeABrick | because the could still do, say ls -l /home/someone/public_html since they know that folder exists |
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| 01:24.52 | harleyg | can someone help |
| 01:24.53 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Remove execute permissions. |
| 01:24.54 | harleyg | i cant use apt-get |
| 01:24.57 | harleyg | its pissing me off |
| 01:24.58 | karsten | !tell harleyg about ask |
| 01:25.04 | karsten | !tell harleyg about smart questions |
| 01:25.09 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten but then public_html won't work anymore for httpd |
| 01:25.11 | harleyg | i have asked |
| 01:25.12 | harleyg | ffs |
| 01:25.14 | harleyg | i need some help, i am trying to use apt-get and it says sopmething about ircd-hybrid, and to use -f, i try -f and it gives me the same problem |
| 01:25.15 | harleyg | ... |
| 01:25.17 | beardy | If he does that, what's the point of public_html? |
| 01:25.23 | BeBoo | Hey. I've noticed there is an installer image for Sun Cobalt servers, but only for mips(el) - isn't there any for i386? |
| 01:25.32 | kingsley | harleyg: Please post the exact error message. |
| 01:25.39 | FliesLikeABrick | beardy unless i use the bash script to chown public_html to my apache group |
| 01:25.48 | karsten | harleyg: Post input and output exactly. |
| 01:25.51 | karsten | !tell harleyg about paster |
| 01:25.55 | karsten | harleyg: ... *not* in channel. |
| 01:26.05 | harleyg | keep spamming me with that.... |
| 01:26.07 | FliesLikeABrick | ack, but then a php script could still read user's public_html files |
| 01:26.10 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: That may be your solution. |
| 01:26.13 | harleyg | retard |
| 01:26.24 | thingfish | boy really |
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| 01:26.58 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten if i do that then a php script someone executes would have permission to read someone else's /home/public_html since it runs as the same user as that folder has permissions to |
| 01:27.00 | FliesLikeABrick | same group * |
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| 01:27.11 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Hrm.... |
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| 01:27.34 | FliesLikeABrick | unless i turned safe_mode and open_basedir restrictions on in php |
| 01:27.37 | beardy | FliesLikeABrick: Out of curiosity, why is this important? |
| 01:27.48 | FliesLikeABrick | beardy because in 2 weeks i'm gonna be colocating a multi-user system |
| 01:27.54 | FliesLikeABrick | and i need it to be very hardened |
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| 01:28.11 | nix | FliesLikeABrick: php runs as the web server user by default. what you really want is suexec for cgi, and alsp hardenend php so that php also executes as the user. |
| 01:28.20 | beardy | FliesLikeABrick: If it's going to be hardened, don't let anyone run php. |
| 01:28.33 | FliesLikeABrick | beardy that doesn't do much good as a shared webserver |
| 01:28.39 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah nix if i could figure out how to have php run as the user that'd be ideal |
| 01:28.56 | harleyg | kingsley: http://pastebin.com/457917 |
| 01:29.00 | nix | FliesLikeABrick: hardened-php.net or something. requires lots of patching to debian sources |
| 01:29.05 | FliesLikeABrick | bah |
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| 01:29.41 | nix | FliesLikeABrick: dotdeb.org has recent webhosting packages but afaik doesnt have anything hardened yet |
| 01:29.51 | bucky | FliesLikeABrick, apt-cache show libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 01:29.55 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: another option is to locate user HTML vhosts elsewhere. |
| 01:30.08 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ... and either symlink or union mount them under $HOME. |
| 01:30.29 | FliesLikeABrick | using open-basedir restrictions in php along with chmodding public_html to 710 and chgrping it to my apache group should do the trick afaik |
| 01:30.35 | beardy | FliesLikeABrick: No, I guess it doesn't, but it would harden it a bit.. ;) |
| 01:30.35 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: s/union/bind/ |
| 01:30.53 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: BTW, I've been trying to figure out why flies would like a brick. |
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| 01:31.06 | kingsley | FliesLikeABrick: Another option is virtualservers. Each virtual server could run its own php and have its own user. |
| 01:31.13 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten it means that if i jump or fall, i fly like a brick |
| 01:31.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:31.58 | FliesLikeABrick | if a user creates a filename, by default its mode is 755... can i make it 751 by default? |
| 01:32.05 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: man umask |
| 01:32.12 | ice_1963 | lol |
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| 01:33.19 | FliesLikeABrick | bah, i just want to keep users from reading eachother's stuff, but it has so many damned angles |
| 01:33.25 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ... though man bash, search umask, will be more useful. |
| 01:33.34 | kingsley | FliesLikeABrick: The "xen" package is a "Virtual Machine Monitor". |
| 01:33.36 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Relocate the vhosts. Really, that's what you want. |
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| 01:33.55 | FliesLikeABrick | relocate the vhosts? |
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| 01:34.07 | kingsley | harleyg: Hold on... |
| 01:34.13 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: eg: /var/vhosts/<user> |
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| 01:34.35 | g3brown | nix: I did that. When I login I "A public key file has not been specified for this session". |
| 01:34.48 | hELP | hi i have a problem, and i was wondering if somone can help? |
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| 01:35.12 | karsten | !tell hELP about ask |
| 01:35.21 | nix | g3brown: i don't know about securecrt as i use putty on windows, but the private key is needed in securecrt, whereas the content of the public key goes into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. |
| 01:35.45 | g3brown | SecureCRT needs the private key? |
| 01:35.54 | nix | g3brown: yep. |
| 01:36.03 | hELP | i just installed the newest version of debian, but i am having problems with xorg and i need some help. i am a novice linux user. |
| 01:36.11 | g3brown | nix: I'll play with it some more. |
| 01:36.15 | hELP | it always tells me 'no screens found' |
| 01:36.18 | g3brown | nix: thanks... |
| 01:36.29 | anonymous_object | is there a way to set a new tempdir for all users or make it a system-wide change? |
| 01:36.44 | harleyg | ok kingsley |
| 01:36.47 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: the default is /tmp; users should set their own if they don't want to use /tmp |
| 01:37.15 | chealer | !tell hELP about no screens found |
| 01:37.19 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: most sane things should obey TMPDIR, however. |
| 01:37.20 | anonymous_object | well, no users (root too) can write to /tmp for some reason |
| 01:37.35 | blockd_ | anonymous_object: I think some programs respect the TMPDIR envvar... but do you want a new tempdir or multiple temp dirs? |
| 01:37.39 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: then /tmp has the wrong permissions set. |
| 01:37.41 | karsten | anonymous_object: chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 01:37.46 | karsten | anonymous_object: ... as root. |
| 01:38.15 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten tell me if you see any potential holes in this: public_html is 750 and belongs to the apache group. i have a script which calls adduser and takes care of the chgrp'ing for me. i also turn on the open-basedir restrictions in php to prevent people from reading up the filetree at all. see anything wrong with that? |
| 01:38.21 | anonymous_object | any chmod on tmp returns Operation not permitted |
| 01:38.29 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: as root? |
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| 01:38.36 | anonymous_object | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 01:38.37 | ozzloy | how do i get apt-get to authenticate stuff? i installed gnupg but it's still not authenticating |
| 01:38.42 | karsten | anonymous_object: Under Linux 2.6, each process gets its own FS tree, though I'm not sure how to exploit that directly for what you're mentioning. |
| 01:38.44 | blockd_ | if it were a perms issue, I think root could still write to it... I've only seen root not able to exec programs if it's not executable |
| 01:38.46 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: is / mounted rw? |
| 01:38.59 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: I'm not really thinking hard about this ATM. |
| 01:39.02 | anonymous_object | dondelelcaro: yes, it's part of / |
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| 01:39.08 | FliesLikeABrick | k karsten, thx anyway |
| 01:39.17 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ... but it looks reasonable. Might try it and test it ;-) |
| 01:39.27 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: give us the output of mount|grep 'on / ' |
| 01:39.37 | bucky | ozzloy, /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 01:39.41 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ... can users create, read, remove files. Can apache serve 'em. Can users read other users' files. |
| 01:39.42 | nix | FliesLikeABrick: chmod g+s the public_html so that all created files keep apache grp |
| 01:40.15 | anonymous_object | dondelelcaro: /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro,usrquota) |
| 01:40.25 | FliesLikeABrick | nix i don't think i knew about those modes tbh |
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| 01:40.48 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: are you using selinux or something? |
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| 01:41.10 | FliesLikeABrick | nix where can i read about the g+s modes etc? i wanna see what else i'm missing |
| 01:41.15 | anonymous_object | dondelelcaro: nope... |
| 01:41.34 | Tarantulafudge | Hey guys I'm allitle confused about the hostname |
| 01:41.34 | Azar | as of this year which modems are better for debian linux? pci or isa modems? |
| 01:41.43 | harleyg | kingsley ? |
| 01:41.56 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: give us the output of whoami; lsattr -d /tmp; strace chmod 1777 /tmp; |
| 01:42.18 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: or rather id; instead of whoami; |
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| 01:42.27 | anonymous_object | root |
| 01:42.27 | anonymous_object | s---ia----------- /tmp |
| 01:42.27 | anonymous_object | bash: strace: command not found |
| 01:42.29 | Tarantulafudge | I'm behind a NAT router (port translation), and I have a dyndns domain, heifer.ath.cx. What hostname should I give my system? (server, ports forwarded from router) |
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| 01:42.34 | nix | FliesLikeABrick: man chmod? |
| 01:42.39 | kingsley | harleyg: Unfortunately, you seem to have stumbled upon a novel problem. I found no history of it in Debian's bug reporting system, the web or usenet. Worse, apt-get didn't report the specific problem. Unless I'm imstaken, the only way to debug this is to isolate the install script in the package that's failing and then isolate the failing line of code in the script. |
| 01:42.57 | kingsley | s/imstaken/mistaken/ |
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| 01:43.00 | dli | dondelelcaro, I used lsattr once, when I got a rootkit :( |
| 01:43.04 | FliesLikeABrick | ah sorry nix i glanced at it but missed the extra string of possible modes, looking now |
| 01:43.15 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: uh... why in the world do you have tmp marked as immutable? |
| 01:43.17 | Tarantulafudge | anyone? |
| 01:43.26 | harleyg | didnt understand any of that mate but ill post it to my ther admin |
| 01:43.26 | harleyg | :) |
| 01:43.28 | anonymous_object | dondelelcaro: I have no idea... |
| 01:43.28 | kingsley | harleyg: Does that make sense? |
| 01:43.33 | harleyg | kinda |
| 01:43.34 | harleyg | a little |
| 01:43.35 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: you need to run chkrootkit. |
| 01:43.37 | Tarantulafudge | and whats the <right> way to setup /etc/hosts? |
| 01:43.42 | dli | anonymous_object, I suggest rootkit |
| 01:43.44 | harleyg | thanks dude |
| 01:43.57 | dondelelcaro | anonymous_object: if you have no idea, you've almost certainly got a root kit on that box. Disconnect it, and begin forensics. |
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| 01:44.39 | harleyg | kingsley, there is no install script though |
| 01:44.43 | anonymous_object | hmm... great >_< |
| 01:44.47 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: sticky bits, man chmod. |
| 01:44.49 | dli | dondelelcaro, if I use jfs, can the rootkit still chattr? |
| 01:44.56 | dondelelcaro | dli: no idea |
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| 01:45.08 | Tarantulafudge | Anyone feel like answering my questions? |
| 01:45.08 | anonymous_object | chkrootkit doesn't find anything |
| 01:45.20 | dli | dondelelcaro, reiserfs doesn't support lsattr |
| 01:45.22 | ozzloy | how do i do verification of apt-get install packages? |
| 01:45.31 | ivanfrey | Tarantulafudge: patience is a virtue in this channel |
| 01:45.31 | beardy | Tarantulafudge: Ask and you'll see. |
| 01:45.37 | karsten | treyh0: Anything you want. |
| 01:45.37 | dondelelcaro | dli: yeah, a lot of things don't; I just don't know about jfs. |
| 01:45.40 | Tarantulafudge | beardy: i did |
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| 01:45.45 | loopdee | can i load mesa vertex data in my graphics card mem other than virtual mem? |
| 01:45.46 | karsten | treyh0: NM. |
| 01:45.46 | beardy | Tarantulafudge: Or if you ahve asked, patience. |
| 01:45.52 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Anything you want. |
| 01:46.03 | kartoo | when i did apr-get upgrade, it reported Fetched 166MB in 2h1m6s (22.9kB/s) Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/n/net-snmp/libsnmp5_5.1.2-6.2_i386.deb Connection timed out [IP: 194.109.137.218 80] E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 01:46.03 | blockd_ | dli: chattr is an ext2/ext3 thing I believe. Other FS's may have ACLs... |
| 01:46.07 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Behind your NAT, your namespace is your own. |
| 01:46.18 | Tarantulafudge | karsten, its a server.. i know alot of apps use those files for configuration |
| 01:46.19 | dli | blockd_, jfs has acl |
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| 01:46.46 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Doesn't change my answer |
| 01:47.03 | kartoo | then when i tried apt-get --fix-missing upgrade, it says 144 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Need to get 1532kB/168MB of archives. After unpacking 2271kB disk space will be freed. |
| 01:47.11 | dli | blockd_, but I didn't enable acl for jfs in kernel, since attr or acl are just played by rootkits, I don't need it |
| 01:47.12 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: i've tried my own things, it always really makes problems |
| 01:47.22 | kartoo | Had it updated those 142 packages or not? |
| 01:47.30 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: do i need hostname heifer, and domain ath.cx? or heifer.ath.cx? |
| 01:47.51 | dondelelcaro | kartoo: not until it finishes running, no; but at the end, yes. |
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| 01:48.03 | blockd_ | anonymous_object: if chkrootkit doesn't find anything, it probably wouldn't hurt to try rkhunter as well. |
| 01:48.08 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: With what you're giving us, I can't be more specific. What problems are you seeing? |
| 01:48.29 | blockd_ | anonymous_object: especially from a boot disk instead of your running system. You might not be able to even trust your kernel... |
| 01:48.31 | kartoo | dondelelcaro: so, will it download the 142 packages downloaded already again? |
| 01:48.37 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: some apps that depend on dns hate some of my settings I've used previously, many get confused and disoriented |
| 01:48.38 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Busy, work... |
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| 01:48.44 | dondelelcaro | kartoo: no, they're already downloaded them. |
| 01:48.46 | dli | blockd_, check "netstat" may identify strange network connections also |
| 01:49.05 | anonymous_object | blockd_: the box is in a data center :-( |
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| 01:49.08 | kartoo | dondelelcaro: so, will it download the other 2 and start installing them? |
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| 01:49.16 | blockd_ | dli: presuming netstat or any shared objects aren't trojaned... |
| 01:49.30 | blockd_ | just things to be paranoid about when trying to see if you have a rootkit |
| 01:49.36 | dondelelcaro | kartoo: it'll download whatever hasn't been downloaded, and try to install them. |
| 01:49.54 | kartoo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:49.57 | dli | blockd_, we need a way, to boot totally from cd, and chkroot for hdd |
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| 01:50.08 | dli | blockd_, can we do that? |
| 01:50.38 | blockd_ | dli: normally, sure. I think he's saying he doesn't have physical access... or it's a big pain to go do right now. |
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| 01:51.17 | blockd_ | dli: just boot and mount your filesystem. You might not see the rootkit "in action", but you should be able to look for it without worrying that your tools are lying to you :-) |
| 01:51.37 | blockd_ | which is pretty common in those cases... |
| 01:52.10 | blockd_ | drastic, but probably just wiping the O/S and reinstalling is a way to make sure... |
| 01:52.26 | snowgeese | is savor farie down tonight? |
| 01:52.33 | dli | blockd_, yes, the rootkit might understand chkrootkit and rkhunter well |
| 01:52.51 | anonymous_object | yea... definately looks like there is a rootkit... |
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| 01:53.12 | blockd_ | dli: even simpler than that. In general it can even hook system calls to lie... that's why you can't trust even the kernel. |
| 01:53.13 | dli | anonymous_object, can you shut it down? |
| 01:53.42 | anonymous_object | yea, I'm going to quickly backup and reformat |
| 01:54.06 | dli | anonymous_object, you'd better understand what was wrong first |
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| 01:54.31 | anonymous_object | dli: well, I was running awstats which had a big hole recently... may have gotten on then |
| 01:54.44 | anonymous_object | or possibly phpbb |
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| 01:55.29 | blockd_ | anonymous_object: well the phpBB site supposedly got broken into by their use of awstats... but to be honest I stopped useing phpBB ages ago myself... |
| 01:55.51 | dli | anonymous_object, try bastille + psad, a general protection might help |
| 01:55.53 | anonymous_object | blockd_: I'd like to but I don't know any decent, free alternatives |
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| 01:56.09 | blockd_ | me neither really... but I only had it for fun. |
| 01:56.44 | blockd_ | anonymous_object: it'd probably be good to also install an integrity checker like aide or tripwire. |
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| 01:57.18 | dli | blockd_, how does tripwire help? I installed tripwire, but still don't understand how it works |
| 01:57.22 | blockd_ | or even something like osiris or samhain, though they're a bit involved to set up |
| 01:57.25 | anonymous_object | I use snort... didn't help much |
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| 01:57.39 | snowgeese | savor fairie aint working here |
| 01:57.45 | snowgeese | is it working today? |
| 01:57.47 | blockd_ | anonymous_object: aide and tripwire tell you if your files have been altered. |
| 01:58.08 | anonymous_object | blockd_: sounds handy, I'll check them out |
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| 01:58.35 | dli | blockd_, if you do "apt-get upgrade", many files got altered? |
| 01:58.35 | nasimuto | hi, i have debian woody and every time i apt-get upgrade it says: E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. But the package that has unmet dependencies is not installed and apt-get -f install has no effect |
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| 01:58.47 | blockd_ | anonymous_object: or if files are added/removed. If you suspect you've been broken into your can check your current files against them, althoug the same caveats apply if you're not checking from a boot disk and mounting the fs... |
| 01:58.48 | nasimuto | the package is webmin and webmin-mysql |
| 01:59.02 | dli | nasimuto, can you use "stable" instead of woody |
| 01:59.24 | dli | nasimuto, you use webmin :( I heard that nobody should |
| 01:59.34 | nasimuto | i dont use it |
| 01:59.45 | dli | nasimuto, then remove it! |
| 01:59.51 | nasimuto | i once tried it out and its like a virus - i cant remove it |
| 01:59.56 | blockd_ | anonymous_object: although I *think* the aide package is a little broken. Maybe I needed to read the docs more closely but the deb was a pain for me to get working right. Haven't had trouble installing it from the official upstream source in the past though... |
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| 02:00.06 | nasimuto | yes. i'd like to do a apt-get dist-upgrade right now, but that damn webmin is in the way |
| 02:00.42 | dli | nasimuto, apt-get -f remove webmin |
| 02:00.46 | nasimuto | webmin is listed as rc and webmin-mysql as rF in my dpkg -i |
| 02:01.04 | nasimuto | dli: it removes it fine, but then thinks that i have webmin-mysql installed |
| 02:01.04 | dli | nasimuto, don't install webmin ! |
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| 02:01.20 | dli | nasimuto, apt-get -f remove webmin-mysql |
| 02:01.23 | Guerin | nasimuto: F means failed config |
| 02:01.33 | nasimuto | oh |
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| 02:01.37 | nasimuto | i havent tried that |
| 02:01.38 | nasimuto | 1sec |
| 02:01.46 | Guerin | nasimuto: reinstall it with dpkg --force-confmiss |
| 02:01.55 | Guerin | apt-get -f won't fix this |
| 02:01.57 | nasimuto | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:01.57 | nasimuto | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.00 | nasimuto | ok |
| 02:02.14 | angel_ | what is better stable or unstable for source.list? |
| 02:02.23 | Guerin | angel_: stable |
| 02:02.33 | Guerin | nasimuto: next time, don't randomly delete config files |
| 02:02.36 | dli | nasimuto, webmin should be removed! so, apt-get -f --force-all remove webmin-mysql |
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| 02:02.54 | nasimuto | Guerin: i didnt |
| 02:03.00 | Guerin | dli: don't be a moron |
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| 02:03.04 | nasimuto | the install was aborted or sth |
| 02:03.04 | dli | angel_, since you ask, use "stable" |
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| 02:03.32 | angel_ | but x.org is not there |
| 02:03.56 | ViViD | in debian its XF86Config-4 |
| 02:03.59 | dli | angel_: if you really want x.org, try "etch" (or, testing now) |
| 02:04.02 | Guerin | angel_: do you ahve a video card which isn't supported by xfree 4.3 in debian? |
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| 02:04.32 | dli | angel_, testing works fine for me, but stable is recommended for n00bs |
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| 02:05.28 | karsten | Is there any particularly useful way to find out if a given terminal type (eg: rxvt-unicode) is known or unknown to a particular system? |
| 02:05.38 | angel_ | for testing what i supose to write |
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| 02:06.06 | blockd_ | dli: and people who like things less-broken ;) |
| 02:06.20 | fevel | how do I detect my monitors sync range and everything, like when I installed the system? |
| 02:06.30 | jwormy | hey i have teh debian netinst iso.. i want to burn it with xcdroast and i have *1* cd left... so uh... what kind of image boot do i select? |
| 02:06.32 | angel_ | dev http://.... main contrib non-free ... |
| 02:06.44 | dli | blockd_, I only got once broken testing, once when k3b was removed from testing |
| 02:07.00 | Guerin | dli: testing is pretty broken right now |
| 02:07.26 | dli | angel_, you may simply replace "stable" with "testing" |
| 02:08.03 | angel_ | ok |
| 02:08.21 | angel_ | what the difference with unstable |
| 02:08.49 | nasimuto | Guerin: dpkg --force-confmiss -r webmin and dpkg --force-confmiss -i webmin ? |
| 02:08.50 | blockd_ | jwormy: I didn't really understand the last part of your question. |
| 02:08.50 | chealer | dli: that's not a broken testing, that's a k3b-less testing |
| 02:09.11 | Guerin | nasimuto: suck it and see |
| 02:09.33 | Guerin | nasimuto: you might just be able to dpkg -P --force-confmiss webmin webmin-mysql |
| 02:09.36 | dli | chealer, for you experts, but for n00bs like me, it's a broken testing |
| 02:09.38 | karsten | Guerin: Would you like me to tell you about your spam problems? |
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| 02:10.09 | dli | angel_, n00bs should never use unstable, unless you want to reinstall |
| 02:10.10 | chealer | dli: there are no experts here. it shouldn't |
| 02:10.13 | Guerin | karsten: tell me more about me to tell you about your spam problems. |
| 02:10.49 | Guerin | angel_: unstable can break horribly at any time, and routinely does. Testing does so less commonly. Stable practically never does. |
| 02:11.22 | jwormy | blockd_: you have to choose options to create a bootable cd.. |
| 02:11.28 | nasimuto | its fixed |
| 02:11.29 | nasimuto | thanks |
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| 02:11.46 | nasimuto | now i'll just do apt-get dist-upgrade to get from woody to stable ? |
| 02:11.54 | jwormy | blockd_: so when you chose 'el torito (standard pc)' you have to choose the boot image and the boot catelog and the type of image boot. |
| 02:11.54 | Guerin | nasimuto: hopefully |
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| 02:12.14 | nasimuto | it started downloading |
| 02:12.15 | nasimuto | good |
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| 02:12.18 | karsten | Guerin: Why do you want to know me more about me to tell you about your spam problems? |
| 02:12.23 | nasimuto | ill be back tomorrow |
| 02:12.24 | nasimuto | nite |
| 02:12.37 | g3brown | What file would I need to edit to be able to log into the gui of 3.1 as root? |
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| 02:13.21 | karsten | g3brown: Don't. |
| 02:13.36 | angel_ | fevel:for your problem with the monitor i use the internet and the serial # of the monitor to find de synk |
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| 02:13.46 | blockd_ | jwormy: if you're getting an install ISO you should just be able to burn it and not worry about that |
| 02:14.24 | g3brown | karsten: I know I shouldn't, but do you know what file prohibits it? |
| 02:15.01 | blockd_ | jwormy: just make sure you're not burning the ISO as data on yet another filesystem... |
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| 02:15.37 | blockd_ | jwormy: it's just that you were talking about the debian ISOs... so I'm presuming you needn't worry about that. |
| 02:16.03 | angel_ | g3brown : in the consola log in root write startx |
| 02:18.22 | fevel | angel_: yes I could google it but I would like to know if there was a package that automates the process, so I could brag even more |
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| 02:20.39 | snowgeese | apt- get not find server |
| 02:20.47 | angel_ | fevel : I don't know, |
| 02:20.50 | snowgeese | is that my box or is down today |
| 02:20.55 | tilrman | fevel: ive had limited success with 'read-edid' |
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| 02:22.01 | fevel | tilrman: is that a package? |
| 02:22.08 | tilrman | yeah |
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| 02:22.37 | fevel | how come it detects at system instalation? |
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| 02:23.46 | tilrman | it does? i dont usu have much luck configuring x in an automated fashion |
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| 02:24.47 | PaGo_ | hey guys |
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| 02:25.05 | Bushito | msg dpkg torrent |
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| 02:25.38 | Bushito | asd |
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| 02:25.43 | g3brown | Anyone running 3.1 w/2.4 Kernel on a dual-core chip? |
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| 02:25.57 | Guerin | !anyone use 3.1 w/2.4 Kernel on a dual-core chip? |
| 02:25.58 | dpkg | No, no one uses 3.1 w/2.4 Kernel on a dual-core chip, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:26.31 | g3brown | dpkg: I don't understand your wisecrack. |
| 02:26.38 | nevyn | g3brown: Why would you do that? |
| 02:26.45 | PaGo_ | does anyone knows a reason for activating the modules (mine are empty oO) |
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| 02:27.25 | g3brown | nevyn: do you mean I should run 2.6 or why would I use a dual-core? |
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| 02:28.00 | nevyn | g3brown: smp in 2.4 was. ummm "maturing" would be a nice way to put it |
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| 02:28.13 | PaGo_ | etc/modules is completly emty... recompiling did not show any effect |
| 02:28.14 | Wyzard | hmm... bot flood over in #ubuntu, interesting |
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| 02:28.28 | PaGo_ | :( |
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| 02:28.37 | phaedral | hola |
| 02:28.52 | PaGo_ | so I can't boot up the system to get via SSH on it (no network loaded) |
| 02:28.53 | g3brown | nevyn: that why I was asking. I haven't purchased my hardware yet. |
| 02:28.56 | karsten | Wyzard: More interesting than the usual traffic? Not surprised ;-) |
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| 02:29.08 | Bushito | can anyone recommend a good torent program? |
| 02:29.11 | g3brown | nevyn: it going to be a samba/web/ftp server. |
| 02:29.18 | PaGo_ | BitComet is a fine tool |
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| 02:29.19 | phaedral | how can i tell in advance of install whether or not I should issue noapci and nolapic to the netinstaller for sarge? |
| 02:29.25 | karsten | Bushito: I use the console tools. |
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| 02:29.34 | Wyzard | karsten: 300 "users" join at the same time, then leave, then join again, then start spouting "jajajaajahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha" as fast as they can |
| 02:29.38 | karsten | phaedral: If it doesn't boot w/o them, then use 'em. |
| 02:29.40 | g3brown | nevyn: thought dual-core would be cool, but 2.6 scares me a little when I see wierd problems people post. |
| 02:29.40 | PaGo_ | Azeureus is also good, but needs Java to run |
| 02:29.41 | Bushito | karsten: console tools?? |
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| 02:30.01 | karsten | Bushito: btdownloadcurses, etc. |
| 02:30.05 | karsten | Wyzard: Go figure. |
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| 02:30.10 | phaedral | karsten: thanks; no way to know except to try? oh well |
| 02:30.15 | PaGo_ | torrentflux |
| 02:30.22 | PaGo_ | is nice for console |
| 02:30.28 | PaGo_ | backend for bittorrent |
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| 02:30.36 | nevyn | g3brown: the problem I see is that 2.4 is unlikely to support the sort of hardware you see on a dual core system (PCIe etc) |
| 02:30.42 | karsten | phaedral: Well, you can google your HW for other people's experience. |
| 02:30.51 | PaGo_ | http://torrentflux.com/ |
| 02:30.56 | phaedral | doh; okay, sorry for the noise... |
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| 02:31.18 | PaGo_ | oO |
| 02:31.19 | PaGo_ | hm |
| 02:31.35 | g3brown | nevyn: I have rd9 running on P4 now with SATA and Giga, but I had drivers for that. |
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| 02:31.39 | Guerin | PaGo_: bitcomet is a shit client |
| 02:31.50 | PaGo_ | do you think? oO why? |
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| 02:32.13 | PaGo_ | I do not know much clients which have a DHT backup |
| 02:32.21 | Guerin | PaGo_: it doesn't report data transfers to the tracker and seeds correctly |
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| 02:32.31 | Azar | I am trying to check my /dev directory but is too long scrolls fast with ls and I cannot scroll up all the way how can I do a screen by screen ls ? |
| 02:32.48 | Guerin | Azar: ls |less |
| 02:32.56 | Azar | thank you Guerin |
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| 02:33.13 | PaGo_ | hm but i can read out the tranferdatas very detailed in BitComet |
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| 02:33.20 | karsten | Guerin: u a girl? |
| 02:33.30 | nevyn | g3brown: drivers? |
| 02:33.30 | PaGo_ | and i get better transfer rates than in other clients |
| 02:33.46 | nevyn | g3brown: like binary blobs from the vendor or |
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| 02:34.17 | g3brown | nevyn: for Redhat, Intel has gigabit drivers and supermicro had drivers for sata |
| 02:34.26 | nevyn | source? |
| 02:34.32 | PaGo_ | Guerin: what do you like best? |
| 02:34.41 | g3brown | nevyn: I can't remember if I compiled them or not. It was a couple years ago. |
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| 02:34.44 | nevyn | g3brown: EWWW!!! |
| 02:35.14 | g3brown | nevyn: ewww, redhat, drivers or the whole shebang. |
| 02:35.18 | g3brown | nevyn: ? |
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| 02:35.47 | nevyn | g3brown: vendor drivers are evil |
| 02:35.57 | PaGo_ | hm my debian still remains on not loading the network and not building any modules |
| 02:35.58 | PaGo_ | :( |
| 02:36.13 | nevyn | g3brown: I had to use a binary driver for an adaptec sata raid controller.. |
| 02:36.15 | Guerin | PaGo_: i use rtorrent |
| 02:36.19 | nevyn | it wouldn't append to a file. |
| 02:36.23 | g3brown | nevyn: I guess, but they have worked great. |
| 02:36.27 | Guerin | karsten: not today, dear, I have a headache. |
| 02:36.35 | PaGo_ | hm okay, i*ll try out, thanks Guerin |
| 02:37.16 | mathias64 | g screentest home page |
| 02:37.27 | mathias64 | damn, wrong window |
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| 02:38.25 | g3brown | nevyn: I want to build a Debian server for office and I look at hardware now. Does the 2.4 kernel support gigabit jumbo frames? |
| 02:38.26 | nevyn | g3brown: 2.6 is ok on modern systems it sucks on my athlon 500 but it's ok on my 3.4ghz pIV at work |
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| 02:38.56 | g3brown | nevyn: I was going to use 2.6 but then I saw a couple posts about file corruption with Samba. |
| 02:39.01 | nevyn | g3brown: the things that suck about 2.6 are mostly latency related. |
| 02:39.04 | PaGo_ | can anybody only give me a hint, where i can find a solution to my problem? |
| 02:39.05 | PaGo_ | :( |
| 02:39.17 | karsten | Guerin: Lucky headache. |
| 02:39.28 | karsten | PaGo_: at the end of your search? |
| 02:39.44 | PaGo_ | wow.. thank you! ;) |
| 02:39.56 | g3brown | nevyn: it will be strictly a file server for me, sharing some files via http & ftp, but mostly samba. |
| 02:39.58 | karsten | PaGo_: Are you building your own kernel? |
| 02:40.07 | PaGo_ | hm just recompiled it |
| 02:40.38 | PaGo_ | where the networking modules should be enabled, i think |
| 02:40.45 | g3brown | nevyn: I don't want to use 2.4 kernel and find out it doesn't support gigabit, but I don't want to use the 2.6 kernel and find out it corrupts my files with samba. |
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| 02:41.08 | PaGo_ | but there is no network being loaded and etc/moduels is completly empty |
| 02:41.12 | g3brown | nevyn: if I'm going to use 2.6, I'll send the extra dough and get a Pentiun D |
| 02:42.30 | mathias64 | g3brown: an amd chip would be cheaper |
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| 02:43.28 | jan_ | Hi, i can't get my ignore.conf of my logwatch properly working (or not at all) |
| 02:44.00 | g3brown | mathias64: I got some money to spend. I've been using Dual Core Athon 64s on a few of my desktops, and I like them. I like SuperMicro server and they've got zero amd stuff last time I looked. |
| 02:44.32 | mathias64 | g3brown: well, nobody can stop you from spending money. |
| 02:45.16 | dli | g3brown, build your own |
| 02:45.18 | rvsjoen | jan_: what's not working ? |
| 02:45.24 | g3brown | mathias64: yeah, most people just try to take it though. |
| 02:46.43 | dli | g3brown, do dual core and smp :) I think you can spend $2k+ for one amd cpu |
| 02:46.47 | jan_ | rvsjoen: well, i have a kernel log with a size of +300MB, and logwatch copies it to /tmp, and now /tmp is full :P |
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| 02:47.27 | jan_ | so it should ignore the grsec part of the kernel log, i placed "kernel: grsec:" in the ignore.conf, so it should give a match, but it still gets into tmp |
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| 02:47.36 | g3brown | dli: heh, yeah I built some XEON rigs where the cpu's were over 2K each. |
| 02:47.46 | jan_ | i'm now waiting to see if logs get filtered after files have been copied to /tmp |
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| 02:47.55 | KerPlunk | karsten or SerajewelKS here? |
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| 02:47.59 | dli | g3brown, sounds cool |
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| 02:48.24 | cadu | is there debian for ps2 already? |
| 02:48.27 | g3brown | dli: too bad it wasn't mine |
| 02:48.30 | dli | g3brown, and you may want to buy an extra air-conditioner also |
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| 02:48.51 | dli | g3brown, I heard xeon smp is hot |
| 02:49.26 | dli | g3brown, also, add a scsi raid-5 server, and ups |
| 02:49.38 | g3brown | dli: never had any trouble. 1U units are usually very loud though. Like you don't want to be in the same room kind of loud |
| 02:49.40 | rvsjoen | does grep -e "kernel: grsec:" <logfile> give any hits ? |
| 02:50.03 | dli | g3brown, try water cooling then, it's very quite |
| 02:50.13 | dli | g3brown, s/quite/quiet/g |
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| 02:50.35 | g3brown | dli: don't think water cooling is popular in the rack mount biz. Heh. |
| 02:52.14 | dli | g3brown, and get 4GB ECC ram |
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| 02:52.35 | rovragge | /var/lib/dpkg/available seems to have become broken for me. What to do? |
| 02:52.36 | dli | g3brown, I'm trying to come up reasons for people to spend their money |
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| 02:53.00 | dli | g3brown, scsi raid-5 is a good idea |
| 02:53.05 | mathias64 | rovragge: try apt-get update or options 0,1 in dselect |
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| 02:53.31 | rovragge | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 5 package `libuconv-ruby1.8': |
| 02:53.35 | rovragge | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.38 | hasimir44 | anyone know of a command line shoutcast client? |
| 02:53.41 | rovragge | mathias64: update did not work |
| 02:53.42 | PaGo_ | hm okay thanks for listening my problmem, a*m tring to get my problem fixed |
| 02:53.43 | g3brown | dli: I'm taking notes... |
| 02:53.53 | vassagus | can somebody help me, i can find the sound in /dev |
| 02:53.57 | koshnaranek | shoutcast client? or server? |
| 02:54.01 | mathias64 | rovragge: delete whatever package entry is at line 5 (the WHOLE package entry) and see if that helps |
| 02:54.09 | hasimir44 | client ... like xmms for a console. |
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| 02:54.19 | rovragge | mathias64: did not work |
| 02:54.25 | rovragge | how should the file begin? |
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| 02:54.48 | g3brown | Is there a hardware database for Debian? |
| 02:55.06 | koshnaranek | hasimir44: moc |
| 02:55.23 | hasimir44 | moc? - i'll check it out.. thanks kosh |
| 02:55.24 | mathias64 | rovragge: it is a list of packages. each package is separated from the next by a blank line. |
| 02:55.25 | dli | g3brown, yes, hardware compatibility howto |
| 02:55.41 | douglas | g3brown: yeah i think it's crossyourfingersreallyhard dot something ... |
| 02:55.43 | koshnaranek | hasimir44: mp3blaster |
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| 02:55.49 | vassagus | -/etc/dsp doesnt exist |
| 02:56.15 | dli | g3brown, also, buy hdds in double, run raid-1 on all |
| 02:56.18 | koshnaranek | hasimir44: adplay |
| 02:56.23 | jan_ | rvsjoen: with logfile, you mean the kernel file in /var/log/ or the output generated by logwatch? Because kernels things are in a section "kernel", and only stating 1 Time(s): grsec blablabla |
| 02:56.24 | hasimir44 | ahh.. mp3blaster is better :) ( moc - generate Qt meta object support code ) |
| 02:56.30 | dli | vassagus, if you use alsa, you don't need /dev/dsp |
| 02:56.32 | wireddd | it is pretty sad that my isp can't even keep their dns servers online... |
| 02:56.43 | dli | vassagus, anyway, enable alsa-oss in kernel |
| 02:56.45 | chealer | vassagus: why do you expect such a file to exist? |
| 02:56.46 | rovragge | mathias64: cleaned up. but now: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package `libdvdcss-dev': |
| 02:56.49 | rovragge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.18 | mathias64 | rovragge: try moving /var/lib/dpkg/available somewhere out of the way and then rerun apt-get update |
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| 02:57.25 | vassagus | i just want to set my sound card via97 |
| 02:57.34 | g3brown | dli: is that a website? |
| 02:57.37 | wireddd | anybody have the ip of a dns server I can use untill my isp gets their act together? |
| 02:57.38 | vassagus | and i know that this kernel supports it |
| 02:57.45 | vassagus | so i did alsaconf |
| 02:57.47 | koshnaranek | hasimir44: xmms-shell |
| 02:58.03 | vassagus | and it dont detec it |
| 02:58.04 | ogum | what is konqueror directory? |
| 02:58.12 | hasimir44 | whoa! there's an xmms-shell? how did i not find that?? thanks again |
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| 02:58.31 | koshnaranek | hasimir44: apt-cache search xmms |
| 02:58.50 | hasimir44 | i'm trying out mp3blaster right now (yeah, apt-get is the shit) |
| 02:59.12 | blockd_ | ogum: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror is one of them... there should be another in /usr/share/...something |
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| 02:59.55 | g3brown | dli: nevermind I found it |
| 03:00.36 | blockd_ | ogum: unsurprisingly /usr/share/apps/konqueror |
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| 03:03.08 | vassagus | when i can set my ac97 driver as the default |
| 03:03.17 | vassagus | there is a file or something in alsa? |
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| 03:05.15 | RedEyess | hi |
| 03:05.30 | RedEyess | What file do I update to ensure my hdparm settings take hold on reboot? |
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| 03:06.04 | mathias64 | RedEyess: man hdparm |
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| 03:06.26 | ogum | blockd_: thanks. Just tell me if I trying something impossible: installinf flash player on konqueror? |
| 03:07.03 | blockd_ | ogum: it's possible, I think it crashes a lot *IIRC*... |
| 03:07.16 | nimak2 | is ther any way to get a site to think that i have windows media player/realplayer/quicktime? |
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| 03:07.21 | yzrider088 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.24 | blockd_ | ogum: at leat I recall it using the netscape plugin by default on something I once had installed |
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| 03:08.08 | mathias64 | yzrider088: run the program inside ``script'' |
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| 03:08.53 | nimak2 | this site wont let me play a video because i dont have a player installed |
| 03:08.56 | RedEyess | man hdparm does not show anything |
| 03:08.59 | RedEyess | so again. |
| 03:09.16 | mathias64 | RedEyess : man hdparm and look in the FILES section |
| 03:09.16 | KerPlunk | karsten / SerajewelKS I figured out the problem...on my hdd I had the jumper pins set to 32GB Clip/master |
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| 03:09.26 | ice_1963 | install kaffeine |
| 03:10.12 | jan_ | rvsjoen: nvm, got it |
| 03:10.25 | nimak2 | ice_1963: me? |
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| 03:10.45 | nimak2 | i have a player, but it wont let me get to the video |
| 03:11.08 | ogum | blockd_: thanks again. Got it running on mozilla. that good enough |
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| 03:11.30 | ice_1963 | nimak2 give kaffeine a try |
| 03:11.44 | vassagus | alsaconf dont detec my card |
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| 03:11.59 | macadamia | how do I know the minor and major number when using mknod? Where do they come from? |
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| 03:12.29 | mathias64 | macadamia: you might have more luck using MAKEDEV. try man MAKEDEV |
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| 03:13.07 | ogum | is there a tool like disdruid that i can use to change partitions without reformating hard drive? |
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| 03:13.32 | dli | ogum, parted should be able to resize, but still backup first |
| 03:13.56 | macadamia | mathias64 Thanks will give it a go |
| 03:14.17 | ogum | dli: and what shoul i use to backup (forgive my ignorance) |
| 03:14.36 | Anthro | I have a db table in postgresql that has two columns: a date and an arbitrary string. I want to convert this to an icalendar (i.e. .ics) file, turning each row into an all-day event named with the arbitrary string. Can anyone suggest how to do it? |
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| 03:14.38 | dli | ogum, I use rsync |
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| 03:14.44 | rendi | hi all how to change this line Apache/1.3.33 Server at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 80 |
| 03:14.52 | rendi | i have searching on apache.conf but not found |
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| 03:15.15 | Guerin | rendi: httpd.apache.org |
| 03:15.24 | dli | ogum, like "rsync -arvut /home user@server:/backup/myhome" |
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| 03:15.53 | rendi | Guerin what ur mean ? |
| 03:15.58 | rendi | httpd.apache.org ? |
| 03:16.01 | Guerin | rendi: read |
| 03:16.15 | Guerin | rendi: you can read, can't you? |
| 03:16.20 | Tarantulafudge | does anyone know the best way to configure hostname and domainname? |
| 03:16.30 | dli | ogum, "-r" is not needed with "-a" |
| 03:16.52 | dli | Tarantulafudge, vi /etc/hosts /resolv.conf |
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| 03:17.01 | loopdee | the debian fluxbox install did not seem to put anything in the menus or anything, can i do this automatically or do i have to do it manually? |
| 03:17.02 | Guerin | man hostname |
| 03:17.11 | Tarantulafudge | dli: specifics? |
| 03:17.11 | Tarantulafudge | dli: what should be in it |
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| 03:17.21 | Tarantulafudge | dli: I have heifer.ath.cx |
| 03:17.31 | Tarantulafudge | dli: from dyndns |
| 03:17.36 | dli | Tarantulafudge, oh, you need to vi /etc/hostname also |
| 03:17.48 | Tarantulafudge | dli: what am I setting it to |
| 03:17.58 | ogum | dli: thanks. i'll get back after studiyng rsync first |
| 03:18.11 | dli | Tarantulafudge, dyndns is for your clients, not much for yourself |
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| 03:18.35 | ogum | dli: fist i need my cdrecorder running. can u help? |
| 03:18.43 | loopdee | ty chanserv |
| 03:18.45 | Tarantulafudge | dli: what do you suggest |
| 03:18.50 | dli | ogum, apt-get install k3b |
| 03:19.44 | Tarantulafudge | dli: I need to get a working server configuration |
| 03:19.45 | dli | Tarantulafudge, depends on what's your need |
| 03:19.59 | dli | Tarantulafudge, what server? in what network environment |
| 03:20.02 | Tarantulafudge | dli: the most optimized server hostname/domainname configuration |
| 03:20.22 | Tarantulafudge | dli: its behind a nat, but I want it to be the front of the network |
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| 03:20.33 | Tarantulafudge | dli: i have all the ports forwarded |
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| 03:20.54 | Tarantulafudge | dli: i just never clearly understood exactly how this should be done as far as the hostname/domainname/fqdn combo |
| 03:21.03 | dli | Tarantulafudge, that's it |
| 03:21.04 | dli | Tarantulafudge, you are done |
| 03:21.19 | mz_64 | how to shrink a .wav file w/out first encoding to lossy format or is that asking the impossible? |
| 03:21.20 | Tarantulafudge | dli: but when I install apps they always choose stuff based on that informatin |
| 03:21.26 | Tarantulafudge | dli: and its always wrong |
| 03:21.30 | dli | Tarantulafudge, for example? |
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| 03:22.08 | Tarantulafudge | like for scripts and things |
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| 03:22.40 | Tarantulafudge | dli: im going to deploy the configuration to a full dedicated server, and I need to know exactly how to set this up |
| 03:22.41 | dli | Tarantulafudge, let's discuss a specific pacakge |
| 03:22.52 | Tarantulafudge | dli: postfix. |
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| 03:23.28 | Tarantulafudge | dli: courier |
| 03:23.28 | cadu | debian for ps2? |
| 03:23.29 | dli | Tarantulafudge, I don't know postfix, but sendmail can do behind NAT |
| 03:23.37 | Tarantulafudge | dli: it has to be postfix |
| 03:23.38 | Guerin | mz_64: you can compress it using normal tools like gzip or bzip2, or you can encode it to FLAC |
| 03:23.54 | Tarantulafudge | dli: its a full dedicated that I will be hosting paying customers lol |
| 03:23.56 | Guerin | mz_64: the flac option iss more easily playable, and is lossless |
| 03:24.01 | dli | Tarantulafudge, then, it's a postfix problem, read its manual for NAT |
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| 03:24.21 | Tarantulafudge | dli: vhcs uses postfix, im not saying postfix does it wrong, but I always have to correct it |
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| 03:24.31 | mike-e | HEHE poop |
| 03:24.42 | Tarantulafudge | dli: i want it to choose the right defaults etc to make deployment as easy as possible |
| 03:25.00 | dli | Tarantulafudge, I don't know, I don't do mail really :( |
| 03:25.07 | yzrider088 | AFD0SAJ-FA0-JF0-ASJ |
| 03:25.10 | yzrider088 | A9FS=FISA0-FIS0-FISA0-FIAF0-ISF0-AIFSF0-SFIAS0-OIDSAF |
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| 03:25.30 | mz_64 | Guerin: yes flac is good but not playable on standard cdrom so i think it just isn't possible |
| 03:25.31 | Tarantulafudge | anyone want to help me figure out how exactly i should put my hostname/domainname/fqdn? |
| 03:25.37 | yzrider088 | ASF-0SIF-0AFIS0-FIAS0-FIF-0IFS-0FIA-0FIASF0-ISAF0-SIFA0SA-IFSA0-ISA-0FISAF0-ISA0-SAI-0SAIF0-SAFI0S-AFISA0-FISA0-FIFEAGGE0-IFAFIEFEAGFEI-A0IF0-EGI0-AFIE0-GIA0-GIEI0-GA0-GII0-AE-0IIG0-AGIG0-IEGF0-FI0-FIIE0-FF0-IAEF-0IAFIAFIEAF0-IAEF0-AIF0-AI0A-IFIA00-AE-I0A0IFAIE-0F-A0IFIA0-F-IAF0AI-0FIA0-FAIF0-0FA |
| 03:25.37 | Guerin | !ops yzrider088 seems to have lost control of his motor functions |
| 03:25.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: yzrider088 seems to have lost control of his motor functions |
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| 03:25.48 | helix | gosh |
| 03:26.06 | Guerin | !wayttd mz_64 |
| 03:26.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mz_64? |
| 03:26.30 | mz_64 | cram 2 cd's worth of wav files on 1 disc :) |
| 03:26.32 | maher | holy moly! |
| 03:26.46 | dondelelcaro | mz_64: so use flac or something. |
| 03:27.09 | Guerin | mz_64: yeah, flac them, or bzip2 them |
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| 03:27.17 | mathias64 | mz_64: at 1mb/min you could fit 10cds onto one using mp3 |
| 03:27.23 | grahamoz | hey everyone i need some help |
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| 03:27.43 | grahamoz | i have debian 3.1 r0 installed |
| 03:27.43 | mathias64 | grahamoz: don't we all |
| 03:27.43 | Guerin | mz_64: flac will typically only compress down about 30-40%% |
| 03:27.44 | grahamoz | from a dvd |
| 03:27.47 | grahamoz | anyway |
| 03:27.56 | grahamoz | it don't see my sound card in alsaconf |
| 03:27.58 | Anthro | mz_64: standard CDs are encoded as 44100 samples * 2 channels * 2 bytes per second. There is no way around this./ |
| 03:28.02 | grahamoz | i know i need to do a update |
| 03:28.05 | Guerin | mz_64: at 1MB/min, you're talking about shite quality mp3 |
| 03:28.07 | grahamoz | to get the lastest stuff but how |
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| 03:28.27 | mathias64 | Guerin: he didn't say anything about quality. If he wants quality he'l use flac. But he doesn't want flac |
| 03:28.30 | cheal | dondelelcaro: have you seen the post about debmirror on d-devel recently? |
| 03:28.31 | dondelelcaro | grahamoz: just aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; if you want to use testing, ask the bot how to upgrade. |
| 03:28.39 | Guerin | mathias64: he did mention not wanting to go lossy, above |
| 03:28.40 | dondelelcaro | cheal: not debmirror, but the mirror sizes, yes. |
| 03:28.49 | mz_64 | Anthro: well that is the solid answer i needed! :) |
| 03:28.55 | dondelelcaro | cheal: it should be close to 80G, but I don't know if it'll be too close. |
| 03:29.01 | mathias64 | Guerin: is there any lossless codec that plays on an mp3 capable in-dash car cd player? |
| 03:29.05 | mz_64 | yes flac is fine - i was just wondering..... |
| 03:29.11 | mz_64 | some players play flac |
| 03:29.20 | Guerin | mz_64: depends on the player |
| 03:29.23 | Guerin | mine plays flac |
| 03:29.34 | mathias64 | Guerin: then flac it is |
| 03:29.43 | grahamoz | which bot |
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| 03:29.52 | mathias64 | grahamoz: dpkg |
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| 03:30.01 | rutski89 | How do i check if " Network packet filtering (replaces ipchains)" has been checked as "compiled in" in my kernel? |
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| 03:30.59 | Guerin | personally, I'd encode to high bitrate ogg, and keep originals in flac on a harddisk |
| 03:30.59 | mz_64 | apparently kenwood keg & phatbox play flac in the auto |
| 03:30.59 | cheal | dondelelcaro: but which release(s) are you thinking about? sarge etch sid? |
| 03:30.59 | Guerin | because my player plays ogg vorbis too :) |
| 03:30.59 | mz_64 | Guerin: what is it? |
| 03:30.59 | dondelelcaro | cheal: I'm mirroring them all, actually. |
| 03:30.59 | Guerin | mz_64: iaudio x5 |
| 03:30.59 | dondelelcaro | it's nice having a fast mirror close by |
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| 03:31.14 | dli | rutski89, iptables -L |
| 03:31.16 | poop | I get a decent 390K/s from MIT. |
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| 03:32.28 | dondelelcaro | this is pulling at around 4-5MB/s from debian.usc.edu |
| 03:32.29 | ogum | dli: got dependence error (1) treid through sinaptic but still got errors :( |
| 03:32.34 | mz_64 | Guerin: sweet - iaudio is even linux listed as supported in linux - don't see that everyday |
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| 03:32.45 | Guerin | mz_64: yeah, it's 100% usb mass storage |
| 03:32.48 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, there's a dedicated ring network between that host and mine. |
| 03:33.10 | Guerin | mz_64: it even has UMS host functionality, so you can suck photos off a camera or any other UMS device |
| 03:33.15 | wethion | Did google not release a port of Google Earth for GNU/Linux? |
| 03:33.24 | Guerin | wethion: aask google |
| 03:33.34 | Gnea | wethion: no, they didn't. |
| 03:33.41 | jbroome | wethion: one for osx, but not linux |
| 03:33.48 | vassagus | how i can load alsa into the kernel |
| 03:33.52 | wethion | Guerin: I already did.. and there's no definitive answer, just a lack thereof. |
| 03:33.53 | vassagus | ? |
| 03:33.59 | wethion | Kk, Thanks all. |
| 03:34.03 | Guerin | wethion: that's an answer. |
| 03:34.04 | cheal | dondelelcaro: my debian mirror is at 10 minutes of bike from me. yet, I considered setting up an apt-cacher :) |
| 03:34.06 | wethion | Fsck! |
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| 03:34.43 | mz_64 | Guerin: can i beleive the claim of 50 hrs playback from 1 AA ? |
| 03:34.58 | Guerin | mz_64: the x5 doesn't use AAs |
| 03:35.06 | grahamoz | hmmm |
| 03:35.06 | cheal | dondelelcaro: I don't understand the first table of the message ("Mirror size for a singe arch and binary only"). is it a specific arch? |
| 03:35.24 | grahamoz | i wonder if this debian had a problem with the source |
| 03:35.33 | Guerin | mz_64: it uses its own non-removable battery, but it DOES get >30 hours |
| 03:35.35 | grahamoz | well sources |
| 03:35.39 | grahamoz | like the update ones |
| 03:35.44 | grahamoz | there was a file or something |
| 03:35.44 | Guerin | mz_64: the x5L gets >30 hours, anyway |
| 03:35.49 | grahamoz | that they forgot |
| 03:36.01 | Guerin | grahamoz: try to put one thought on one line |
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| 03:36.46 | grahamoz | ok |
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| 03:38.03 | mz_64 | Guerin: am i mising the part where it says it plays flac or is that one of those things that just happens to work? |
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| 03:38.30 | dli | ogum: you may have to work out the dependenies |
| 03:39.08 | grahamoz | Guerin, was there a issue with Debian 3.1 r0 ? |
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| 03:39.58 | dondelelcaro | cheal: no, just a general guess at how big all+i386 is; |
| 03:40.11 | dondelelcaro | cheal: or at least, that's what I thought was meant by it |
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| 03:41.12 | Guerin | mz_64: i can't see what you can see. |
| 03:41.19 | Guerin | grahamoz: yes. |
| 03:41.32 | Guerin | grahamoz: run apt-setup to correct it |
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| 03:41.59 | grahamoz | then do what |
| 03:42.04 | dondelelcaro | cheal: anyway, 24G+10G+10G+8G+10G should in theory fit... |
| 03:42.38 | mz_64 | Guerin: http://www.jetaudio.com/products/iaudio/g3/ |
| 03:42.52 | Guerin | mz_64: the g3 is not the x5 |
| 03:42.55 | Guerin | http://www.jetaudio.com/products/iaudio/g3/ |
| 03:42.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:43.01 | grahamoz | its doing a update |
| 03:43.04 | mz_64 | ahhh i see |
| 03:43.41 | Guerin | mz_64: http://www.jetaudio.com/products/iaudio/x5/info_features.html#specifications |
| 03:43.58 | cheal | dondelelcaro: 24G for source? but it seems to fit yes |
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| 03:44.25 | cheal | dondelelcaro: you may be right about the first table being about i386, the numbers almost match |
| 03:44.27 | dondelelcaro | 18G, actually. |
| 03:44.49 | ogum | dli: great hint!!! Already burning! thanks |
| 03:44.58 | cheal | because it says 30G for source (ignoring Florian's comment) |
| 03:45.07 | cheal | dondelelcaro: OK, an estimation |
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| 03:47.50 | cheal | dondelelcaro: how much for a bugs.d.o mirror too? ;) |
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| 03:49.37 | dondelelcaro | cheal: 19G |
| 03:50.16 | cheal | ouch, I was underestimating that. I guess the attachments can be heavy |
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| 03:52.23 | cheal | I don't remember seeing any BTS bigger than Debian's |
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| 03:53.15 | mz_64 | Guerin: hey thanks for the tip - didn't know i wanted one of those till just now |
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| 03:54.26 | jwormy | anyone have a good link on installing enlightenment e17 with debian? |
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| 03:54.52 | jason^ | i get this error when i start gnome, any clues why? An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for mini_commander_applet. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly. |
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| 03:57.55 | grahamoz | this sucks |
| 03:57.58 | grahamoz | its not updating |
| 03:57.59 | grahamoz | shit |
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| 03:58.12 | mz_64 | jwormy: actually yes i wrote one |
| 03:58.17 | mz_64 | sec |
| 03:58.18 | jwormy | mz_64, sweet :) |
| 03:58.49 | mz_64 | jwormy: http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-12856.html |
| 03:59.23 | jwormy | mz_64, i'll check it out :) thanks |
| 03:59.30 | grahamoz | damn it |
| 03:59.33 | grahamoz | someone help me |
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| 03:59.52 | jbroome | oh hell, i'm all encouraged now. i can't wait to help grahamoz |
| 04:00.14 | grahamoz | wat |
| 04:00.19 | tvn | how do I use wget to get all files that starts with "something" , e.g., something1 somethingA etc ? |
| 04:00.26 | grahamoz | well nothing is working |
| 04:00.27 | grahamoz | this sucks |
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| 04:00.45 | grahamoz | i want to do a full update of debian |
| 04:01.39 | mathias64 | tvn: man wget and read the -A option |
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| 04:02.50 | Kastyr | Anyone alive in here? |
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| 04:03.00 | mathias64 | Kastyr: all dead, thanks. try next door |
| 04:03.05 | jbroome | nope |
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| 04:03.18 | jwormy | mz_64, apt-key ? |
| 04:03.25 | douglas | hey, taste of death, whats shakin |
| 04:03.26 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.46 | loopdee | i cant seem to find grub.conf ... its not in .boot/grub |
| 04:03.48 | Kastyr | Well, I keep trying to install Debian Testing amd64 on this AMD Turion laptop, which I was successful in doing yesterday before my friend decided to apt-get remove libc6, but now everytime I try to install it says no kernel modules were found... |
| 04:04.26 | mathias64 | Kastyr: it should have wanred you that libc6 is required |
| 04:04.42 | Kastyr | mathias64:That's besides the point here. |
| 04:04.59 | Kastyr | mathias64:The point here is that I'm trying to reinstall the OS, and it is very much so not working. |
| 04:05.21 | mathias64 | Kastyr: you mat have hit one of the rare cases where you really do have to reinstall from CD |
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| 04:05.43 | mathias64 | Kastyr: which is what you're doing, i guess. |
| 04:05.48 | jwormy | mz_64, apt-key? never heard of that where do i get it? |
| 04:05.50 | Kastyr | mathias64:Si. |
| 04:05.53 | mathias64 | SO the installation CD says no kernel modules found? hmmm |
| 04:06.07 | Kastyr | It is the netinst CD. |
| 04:06.17 | loopdee | !grub |
| 04:06.18 | dpkg | grub is, like, [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 04:06.24 | mathias64 | where in the install process does this occur? after you boot from the cd, or after you boot from the hard drive? |
| 04:06.51 | Kastyr | After I boot from the CD. |
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| 04:07.26 | mathias64 | Kastyr: does the debian installer come up, or isa it trying to use the hard disc as the root filesystem |
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| 04:07.54 | Kastyr | mathias64:It comes up. |
| 04:08.05 | Kastyr | mathias64:I even get to pick my mirror. |
| 04:08.25 | Kastyr | mathias64:Please note this same CD worked two days ago. |
| 04:09.11 | mathias64 | Kastyr: my suspicion is that it is trying to use the HD. |
| 04:09.35 | Kastyr | mathias64:What would be a solution? |
| 04:09.57 | mathias64 | Kastyr: so the installer goes through the whole blue installer screen system, including making new file systems. then it asks for a mirror. when does it say there are no kernel modules? |
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| 04:10.14 | mathias64 | Kastyr: i am trying to get a sense of what is going on |
| 04:10.55 | Kastyr | mathias64:Using the testing graphical beta it makes it right past selecting the mirror, and stops. On the netinst CD it gets as far as loading components of the installer from the CD. In either case, it's while it's trying to load components for the installer. |
| 04:11.28 | dondelelcaro | Kastyr: and if you look at console 3, what is happening? |
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| 04:12.23 | Kastyr | dondelelcaro:Let's find out...one minute... |
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| 04:13.30 | wired_ | you would think that charter could at least keep a dns server working |
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| 04:14.04 | dondelelcaro | wired_: that's far too difficult for them. |
| 04:14.17 | wired_ | aparently |
| 04:14.20 | Kastyr | dondelelcaro:It might have something to do with it not being able to find any packages for the kernel on the CD. |
| 04:15.02 | mz_64 | jwormy: not required |
| 04:15.02 | dondelelcaro | Kastyr: what architecture is this? |
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| 04:15.10 | mathias64 | Kastyr: are you sure it is looking on the CD? |
| 04:15.11 | Kastyr | dondelelcaro:amd64 |
| 04:15.12 | dondelelcaro | Kastyr: what is the exact message that you're seeing? |
| 04:16.29 | Kastyr | dondelelcaro:The first two errors: 'Unable to find contrib/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages(.gz) in /cdrom/dists/testing/Release |
| 04:16.44 | Kastyr | Then I get WARNING **:no packages found for kernel in archive. |
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| 04:17.22 | mathias64 | Kastyr: you installed on the same computer using the same cd last week? |
| 04:17.22 | dondelelcaro | Kastyr: well, you should have seen that warning, because there shouldn't be any contrib files there. |
| 04:17.36 | Kastyr | mathias64:No. Two nights ago. |
| 04:17.46 | mathias64 | Kastyr: the same computer? |
| 04:17.48 | Kastyr | dondelelcaro:Awesome. Now how do I fix it? |
| 04:17.51 | Kastyr | mathias64:Yes. |
| 04:18.02 | mathias64 | Kastyr: hmm |
| 04:18.37 | dondelelcaro | Kastyr: are there any kernel debs (or udebs) in /cdrom/dists/testing/ ? |
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| 04:19.37 | whitehorse1 | hi everyone. |
| 04:20.03 | mathias64 | whitehorse1 : hi. wink. |
| 04:20.09 | Kastyr | dondelelcaro:All I'm seeing are Packages.gz |
| 04:20.17 | loopdee | hmm, sane is confusing, can someone help me tell sane to use my epson instead of the bttv capture card? lol |
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| 04:20.29 | mathias64 | Kastyr: something is very strange, because I believe that computers are deterministic. |
| 04:20.52 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.12 | whitehorse1 | Indeed, sometimes my computer determines that I don't deserve it to work that day. ;) |
| 04:21.23 | mathias64 | whitehorse1: WHAT |
| 04:21.36 | Kastyr | mathias64:I agree. Only difference is that I'm on my home network instead of his. |
| 04:21.37 | mathias64 | whitehorse1: sorry. What's up ? just ask your question |
| 04:22.27 | mathias64 | kastyr: so this is happening in the network part of the netinst? are you sure the network is working? You can try things on tty 2 |
| 04:23.00 | whitehorse1 | It was a poor attempt at humour; a response to your statement that computers are deterministic. My computers working fine at the moment. :) It's been a little while since I've booted it up, so I'm just busy in apt/synaptic, upgrading and installing new apps as a result of the (libc?) transition. |
| 04:23.31 | dondelelcaro | well, #339326 is almost definetly an example of a computer behaving non-deterministically. |
| 04:23.35 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 339326 |
| 04:23.38 | dpkg | #339326:[debian-installer] Installation problems Linux Debian; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:03:04 UTC |
| 04:23.48 | whitehorse1 | I'm mainly here because it's >4am and I couldn't sleep ;) |
| 04:23.50 | grahamoz | uname -a |
| 04:23.55 | grahamoz | -uname -a |
| 04:25.09 | Kastyr | Yeah. Network is working. |
| 04:25.28 | mathias64 | Kastyr: i'm stumped |
| 04:25.35 | grahamoz | this sucks |
| 04:25.37 | grahamoz | debian blows |
| 04:25.52 | evilbulgarian | hi, i keep getting mail to uucp and there is no Maildir for it so i just ket constant errors in my logs when it tries to redeliver it how can i stop this? |
| 04:25.57 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: what is that bug report saying? it's hella long |
| 04:26.19 | mathias64 | evilbulgarian: mail to uucp ought to be forwarded to a real user. is it? |
| 04:26.22 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: that bug report is saying that he has crappy memory and is segfaulting left and right |
| 04:26.34 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: there are at least 4 different segfaults in that report. ;-) |
| 04:26.57 | whitehorse1 | ooh dear, it wasn't my installation report was it? ohh, the shame. with all the sysinfo it was 600k. I was (more of) a newbie back then. |
| 04:26.59 | evilbulgarian | mathias64: no i checked /etc/aliases files and there is nothing what is uucp anyways |
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| 04:27.57 | mathias64 | evilbulgarian: uucp is an antique way of copying files between computers. unix to unix copy protocol or something like that. |
| 04:28.05 | mathias64 | mathias64: now it is just a reserved username |
| 04:28.55 | evilbulgarian | mathias64: so ur saying make an alias in /etc/aliases for uucp to my user ? |
| 04:29.06 | mathias64 | evilbulgarian: that ought to help. |
| 04:29.18 | evilbulgarian | mathias64: ok thanks |
| 04:30.11 | mathias64 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uucp |
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| 04:31.28 | whitehorse1 | now I think of it I do have a little question; I'm updating packages on my system as a result of the transition - using synaptic (apt get frontend). when they're done, I'll have a bunch of older items in the local/obsolete section,should a user normally leave 'em or purge 'em? |
| 04:32.17 | mathias64 | whitehorse1 leave them if you use them, remove them otherwise. if you don't recognize them you can probably remove them |
| 04:33.04 | whitehorse1 | thank you mathias64 |
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| 04:34.12 | loopdee | if my scanner is on device `epson;libusb:002:004 ,how do i get that mapped to /dev/scanner? |
| 04:36.10 | loopdee | or better a /dev/sd? something |
| 04:36.41 | loopdee | /dev/sg? |
| 04:37.02 | Detox | hello folks, I jsut installed debian on an HP Pavillion a705w, and it loops into reboots,, I have tried logging as single user instead of norma, but no matter what,, I canot get it to stay on long enuf, it jsut reboots,, now I had win xp on it and it worked fine,,, I did install only after typing 26std acpi=off ,, before i did that, i could not even load,, it would reboot constant,, what other thing do i need to flip a switch for to get |
| 04:37.02 | Detox | linux to load??? |
| 04:37.16 | Detox | whew |
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| 04:43.23 | rutski89_ | Is it just me or is /etc/init.d/vsftpd not very good at start/stop/reloading vsftpd? |
| 04:43.47 | rutski89_ | When i ever I do "/etc/init.d/vsftpd stop" and then "ps -A | grep vs", I always see it still runnings |
| 04:43.53 | rutski89_ | **running |
| 04:43.54 | mathias64 | rutski89_: if reload doesn't work you ought to file a bug. stop may or may not work. start had better work. |
| 04:44.26 | whitehorse1 | hmm. on i386 systems with udev used, there's no need for hotplug - is discover also normally not needed (/ needed anymore) ? |
| 04:44.41 | rutski89_ | mathias64: hehe, yea, start works |
| 04:44.56 | rutski89_ | Also, I have "anon_upload_enable", yes I can't upload files as anon! :( |
| 04:45.02 | rutski89_ | I get a code 553 |
| 04:45.10 | mathias64 | rutski89_: a lot of packages have that problem with the stop command. the ones that do often implement reload diferently than stop/start |
| 04:45.20 | mathias64 | that's why if relaod doesn't work you should file a bug. |
| 04:45.34 | mathias64 | you can look at /etc/init.d/... to see how the script actually works |
| 04:46.25 | rutski89_ | yea, i did, but i'm not familiar with the whole start-stop-daemon thing |
| 04:46.33 | rutski89_ | more importantly though , I can't upload files as anon :( |
| 04:46.59 | mathias64 | rutski89_: you can always explicitly kill off the old processes as root and then restart |
| 04:48.05 | mathias64 | rutski89_: I'm jsut telling it like it is -- the init.d system doesn't always work the way you would expect. |
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| 04:49.55 | mathias64 | but for 99% of packages /etc/init.d/foo stop really does stop it. |
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| 04:51.01 | dondelelcaro | in the cases where it doesn't, it probalby is a bug. |
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| 04:51.42 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: I remember something long ago about how /etc/init.d/foo stop is allowed to NOT work, if the package thinks it is dangerous to just suddenly stop. Some databases were the offending pacakges at the time. |
| 04:51.50 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: Wireless working yet? |
| 04:51.59 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: haven't had a chance to play with it |
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| 04:52.21 | npx | Wow. I'm watching this CNN expose on cockfighting. |
| 04:52.30 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: The driver isn't available in unstable is it? |
| 04:52.53 | TwistedEmotionsB | npx: It's a cock-fest. |
| 04:52.56 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: heh. no, it's still under far too rapid development for that. |
| 04:53.21 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: it needs the 2.6.15-rcXX et al series. |
| 04:53.22 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: figured... apt.. how could you betray me like that? |
| 04:53.47 | dondelelcaro | anyway, if I manage to get it working, I'll tar up the packages so you can have at the. |
| 04:53.50 | dondelelcaro | s/the/tehm/ |
| 04:53.54 | rutski89_ | mathias64: yea, tell me about it; that's what i've been doing forever |
| 04:53.56 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: the mac card needs that? |
| 04:53.58 | npx | I don't think I could bring myself to make a large sign and go and protest a cockfighting arena |
| 04:54.01 | npx | especially if I were sober |
| 04:54.06 | npx | those activists are wierdos |
| 04:54.18 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: it's just that that's what the driver has been built for, so it doesn't work on 2.6.14 |
| 04:54.54 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: Heh.. come now buddy. I am the linux GURU... not you ;) I will tar it for YOU. |
| 04:54.55 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: it's possible that once it stabalizes someone will modify it to work on older kernels... but then again, 2.6.15 may release, and it may stop mattering much. |
| 04:55.22 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: Ahhh.. it's designed for newer kernels... can we just build the kernel ourselves? |
| 04:55.39 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: sure, you can make-kpkg 2.6.15-rc5 or whatever it is now |
| 04:55.49 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: when I was last playing with it, that's how I built it |
| 04:56.04 | TwistedEmotionsB | then in theory it should work? |
| 04:56.21 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: in theory, but there's some sort of problem with linking with __udelay which I haven't had time to figure out yet |
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| 04:56.47 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: kk... will try it out when I get home again... |
| 04:56.47 | Kastyr | The update is that it has mysteriously decided to work again..after having the same problem twice in this installation attempt. |
| 04:57.30 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: Your running sid on it right? with GUI? You didn't have any problems with the keybord acting funny? |
| 04:57.42 | madona | hi.. |
| 04:57.49 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: well, fn is fucked, but besides that, no. |
| 04:58.24 | Tarantulafudge | has anyone here used vhcs? |
| 04:58.34 | madona | I resently noted that my binary-packages's apt list has disappeared!! |
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| 04:58.57 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: last time I installed debian on it... I dont know... none of the keys would work... and I mean when the gui started I would type like.. <END> and it would act like I hit <Enter> |
| 04:59.06 | madona | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 04:59.19 | madona | the file isnt there |
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| 04:59.37 | madona | anybody knows how to regenerate the file? |
| 04:59.54 | poop | madona: apt-get update |
| 04:59.54 | TwistedEmotionsB | dpkg-reconfigure base? |
| 05:00.10 | TwistedEmotionsB | no update wont do anything if it's a bd source |
| 05:00.25 | madona | poop : apt-get update is the one that tells me that warning |
| 05:00.31 | dondelelcaro | update will work, unless that source no longer exists... which it should. |
| 05:00.48 | madona | I did a touch to the file but it reminds empty after update |
| 05:00.49 | dondelelcaro | madona: just run apt-get update; again. Otherwise, give us the full output of your apt-get update; run. |
| 05:00.52 | TwistedEmotionsB | I mean if /etc/apt/sources.list has a error in it... update wont do nything... |
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| 05:01.19 | madona | ok |
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| 05:01.21 | TwistedEmotionsB | madona: there is a error somewhere in the file... either post the file or reconfigure |
| 05:01.43 | TwistedEmotionsB | theres no way ftp.debian.org is down... or missing upstable. |
| 05:02.08 | cheal | "[2005-12-09] binutils 2.16.1cvs20051117-1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)" |
| 05:02.19 | cheal | wuhu, new packages.qa.d.o features :) |
| 05:02.31 | Cheapy | While on the topic of dpkg, can anyone help me figure out how to fix this warning: "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `openoffice.org-core01' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." |
| 05:02.53 | Cheapy | I understand the warning (atleast I think I do!), but not sure how to fix it... |
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| 05:03.30 | dondelelcaro | Cheapy: just reinstall that package. |
| 05:03.41 | Cheapy | dondelelcaro, I have :) Many. Many times. |
| 05:03.42 | mathias64 | Cheap: maybe it means /var/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-core01.list is missing? |
| 05:03.49 | dondelelcaro | Cheapy: it means that something (nefarious?) has eaten the list file for that package. |
| 05:04.06 | mathias64 | that's /var/lib/fpkg... |
| 05:04.14 | dondelelcaro | Cheapy: furthermore, what the hell is openoffice.org-core01? |
| 05:04.29 | Cheapy | Not quite sure. |
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| 05:04.50 | dondelelcaro | well, the Debian package is openoffice.org-core, not -core01. |
| 05:05.06 | dondelelcaro | if dpkg thinks core01 should be installed, something has stomped on your status file. |
| 05:05.13 | madona | I will paste the apt-get update output in flood |
| 05:05.18 | Cheapy | It may have been from OOo2.0 |
| 05:06.04 | mathias64 | dpkg -s openoffice.org-core01 |
| 05:06.04 | mathias64 | Package `openoffice.org-core01' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 05:06.04 | dpkg | You Fool! openoffice.org-core01 is installed! |
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| 05:07.27 | Cheapy | I was having some troubles w/ having OOo running, and I think I may have gone overboard |
| 05:07.45 | madona | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
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| 05:08.24 | mathias64 | madona: have you tried another mirror? |
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| 05:08.38 | dondelelcaro | madona: yeah, that really shouldn't happen; that seems to indicate that something is definetly wrong with that particular ftp.us.debian.org |
| 05:08.40 | madona | mathias64: no I didnt |
| 05:08.47 | mathias64 | madona: well, I would |
| 05:08.47 | dondelelcaro | madona: run apt-setup; and pick a different mirror. |
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| 05:10.02 | madona | the md5 thing is not due to the unexistence of the list file ? |
| 05:10.26 | mathias64 | madona: the error sound slike it downloaded the file and didn't like the result |
| 05:10.36 | mathias64 | i.e. the downloaded file had an error |
| 05:10.50 | madona | ah ok |
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| 05:13.30 | konfuzed | hhmmmm during an install I cleared all the video modes so that the system would try to load the highest compatible and it back fired. |
| 05:13.40 | konfuzed | The screen goes black and look like it hung |
| 05:13.43 | konfuzed | fortunately |
| 05:13.53 | konfuzed | I can login on oether terminal |
| 05:13.54 | konfuzed | but |
| 05:14.02 | Guerin | !drxx konfuzed |
| 05:14.02 | dpkg | konfuzed: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 05:14.22 | konfuzed | I want to ru nthe video config tool |
| 05:14.26 | konfuzed | ah |
| 05:15.00 | konfuzed | thanks |
| 05:15.40 | loopdee | if scanimage -L shows epson:libusb:002:004 as a scanner, how do i get it to be a device in /dev ? |
| 05:16.02 | mathias64 | loopdee: dunno |
| 05:16.43 | loopdee | hmmm |
| 05:17.18 | mathias64 | loopdee the few times i have used sane inever needed a /dev device |
| 05:17.46 | loopdee | mathias64: sane detects my capture card bttv, but that is kinda useless heh |
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| 05:18.23 | kingsley | loopdee: man MAKEDEV |
| 05:18.47 | Cheapy | Has anyone else here had problems with getting OOo from the stable repository? |
| 05:18.49 | loopdee | i think i do not have scanner module... |
| 05:18.54 | loopdee | scanner.o |
| 05:19.34 | whitehorse1 | g |
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| 05:23.26 | bird | hi,who can tell me if xine may play SVCD?i'm tring,but failure |
| 05:24.52 | jwormy | does anyone have expirence installing mono.net ? |
| 05:25.01 | jwormy | experience, even :) |
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| 05:25.53 | bird | how to install xine-vcdx-1-rc1.tar.gz |
| 05:26.00 | kingsley | bird: xine's man page says it does. Search for "(S)VCD". |
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| 05:26.47 | madona | I have added http://non-us.debian.org to my sources.list and still doesn't work |
| 05:26.52 | SerajewelKS | jwormy: do you have a problem, or are you taking a poll? |
| 05:27.01 | madona | I'll paste in foold the output |
| 05:27.23 | jwormy | SerajewelKS, polling is for 'lamers'... i have a problem, of course. |
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| 05:27.33 | a1fa|64 | hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| 05:27.34 | SerajewelKS | jwormy: then let's hear it |
| 05:27.52 | a1fa|64 | anybody else getting these errors w/ 2.6.14-2-k7? |
| 05:27.54 | bird | thank you! i am to have a try |
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| 05:28.34 | kingsley | a1fa|64: I suggest googling for the error message. |
| 05:28.47 | a1fa|64 | lol |
| 05:28.48 | jwormy | well, i'm currently: http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads and i added the line it says to my sources file.. then i ran apt-get install mono .. and it says i don't haveall the dependences, particularly mono-jit |
| 05:28.54 | cheal | a1fa|64: when doing what? |
| 05:29.05 | konfuzed | ok this is getting frustrating |
| 05:29.05 | SerajewelKS | jwormy: mono is in sarge and etch, why are you using their debs? |
| 05:29.26 | slackd00d | is there any mirror for newbiedoc.sf.net? their sql server seems to be messed up |
| 05:29.29 | konfuzed | I can aeem to get apt-cache to tell me which is isntalled xfree or xorg |
| 05:29.35 | jwormy | SerajewelKS, i'm not familur with debian just yet, just installed it ... an hour ago. |
| 05:29.40 | konfuzed | ahah |
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| 05:29.47 | konfuzed | I CanT seem to get |
| 05:29.49 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 05:30.13 | SerajewelKS | jwormy: if you know enough to edit sources.list, you should know enough to check if debian has something before using someone else's repository |
| 05:30.24 | bird | can you give me an example? |
| 05:30.25 | konfuzed | apt-cache sphowpkg Xorg says Unable to locate package |
| 05:30.25 | Dwonis | konfuzed, apt-cache doesn't give you that info. |
| 05:30.34 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: xserver-xorg |
| 05:30.40 | konfuzed | arg |
| 05:31.09 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: dpkg -l xserver-\* |
| 05:31.24 | konfuzed | i got a command not found |
| 05:31.31 | bird | can you give me an example? |
| 05:31.45 | bird | kingsley:can you give me an example? |
| 05:31.45 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: wtf.. you sure you typed dpkg? not dkgp or dgkp? |
| 05:31.58 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: maybe he has redhat |
| 05:32.08 | kingsley | bird: What would you like an example of? |
| 05:32.09 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: then what is he doing with apt |
| 05:32.17 | deadcat | no clue |
| 05:32.21 | jwormy | SerajewelKS, so are you going to point me in the right direction? |
| 05:32.23 | Dwonis | SerajewelKS, redhat has apt now, doesn't it? |
| 05:32.32 | SerajewelKS | !info mono sarge |
| 05:32.39 | deadcat | Dwonis: who knows. they have everything that worked well for other people |
| 05:32.42 | madona | I have a lock file in /var/lib/apt/lists and I'm not doing any apt operation right now!!!!! |
| 05:32.43 | SerajewelKS | !info mono etch |
| 05:32.50 | bird | kingsley: how to play SVCD |
| 05:32.52 | dpkg | mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.1.10-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 05:32.54 | Wyzard | Dwonis: I think it's been discontinued, actually, now that they have yum |
| 05:32.55 | deadcat | madona: check your processes? |
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| 05:33.03 | konfuzed | dpkg -| xserver-\* gave not found |
| 05:33.08 | Dwonis | ah :) |
| 05:33.10 | madona | deadcat , thanks I will |
| 05:33.12 | deadcat | dpkg -l |grep xserver |
| 05:33.12 | dpkg | ii |grep xserver 3.7-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 05:33.12 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: l is not | |
| 05:33.18 | Dwonis | konfuzed, that's -l, like -L, but lowercase |
| 05:33.20 | konfuzed | ah |
| 05:33.22 | konfuzed | ah |
| 05:33.25 | konfuzed | arg |
| 05:33.25 | SerajewelKS | god... |
| 05:33.38 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: try copying and pasting things, that usually helps |
| 05:33.44 | jbmigel | what is the linux equivalent of daemon tools, to mount an iso image as drive without burning to a disk? |
| 05:33.52 | SerajewelKS | jwormy: upgrade your distro to etch and apt-get install mono |
| 05:33.56 | deadcat | you cant tell the diff between a l and a | ? |
| 05:34.02 | SerajewelKS | jbmigel: mount |
| 05:34.03 | slackd00d | jbmigel: mount |
| 05:34.05 | Dwonis | deadcat, crappy fonts, probably |
| 05:34.05 | bird | kingsley: i'm tring ,but it not working |
| 05:34.05 | jwormy | SerajewelKS, reading about how to do that. |
| 05:34.06 | Wyzard | jbmigel: mount -o loop |
| 05:34.09 | deadcat | jbmigel: mount |
| 05:34.27 | jbmigel | oh ok thank you... didnt think mount would be that cool but i guess it is |
| 05:34.27 | deadcat | daemon tool. what a joke. -o loop baby. |
| 05:34.31 | SerajewelKS | jbmigel: and linux doesn't really have the concept of a "drive" per se |
| 05:34.38 | konfuzed | ok gotz it 6.8.2-77 |
| 05:34.42 | keikoz | the difference betwenn l and | ??? o_O |
| 05:34.47 | konfuzed | thanks |
| 05:34.51 | kingsley | bird: Wait... |
| 05:34.57 | keikoz | it's just not the same caracter ... |
| 05:35.05 | deadcat | ah.. konfuzed speaks leet. thats why he see | |
| 05:35.05 | konfuzed | yeah the small L instead of pipe really did it |
| 05:35.06 | bird | kingsley: thanks |
| 05:35.19 | konfuzed | wrong pipe today |
| 05:35.35 | kingsley | bird: http://www.google.com/search?q=xine+svcd+example&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 05:35.54 | kingsley | bird: Oops. Ignore that. |
| 05:35.58 | Dwonis | konfuzed, it's understandable |
| 05:36.00 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
| 05:36.04 | kingsley | bird: Oops. http://www.huihoo.com/debian/survivor-2.0.0/Command_Line00.html |
| 05:36.26 | madona | deadcat: I have checked ps aux and I have not any apt process |
| 05:36.39 | konfuzed | yeah that looked really strange witha pipe |
| 05:36.39 | madona | Is is safe to remove the lock file? |
| 05:36.43 | deadcat | madona: yes |
| 05:36.43 | kingsley | bird: Do any of those examples help? |
| 05:36.45 | Dwonis | madona, is your disk full? |
| 05:36.47 | konfuzed | different box though and no cu ans paste |
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| 05:37.12 | madona | deadcat: no it's not |
| 05:37.15 | konfuzed | hahaha |
| 05:37.26 | konfuzed | different box though and no cut and paste |
| 05:37.29 | konfuzed | watever |
| 05:37.33 | konfuzed | back to reconfig xserver |
| 05:37.45 | konfuzed | scrolls way back |
| 05:37.56 | smhar | hi again |
| 05:38.01 | deadcat | !tell konfuzed about enter |
| 05:38.02 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 05:38.03 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 05:38.21 | bird | kingsley:thanks ,i am tring again. |
| 05:39.46 | loopdee | okay, xsane will scan from the scanner but only as root |
| 05:40.14 | Dwonis | loopdee, add yourself to the "scanner" group |
| 05:40.17 | madona | deadcat: I removed the lock, then apt-get update failed due to MD5sum mismatch and then, when apt-get update has end, the lock reminds there |
| 05:40.23 | deadcat | loopdee: you in right group? |
| 05:40.32 | loopdee | Dwonis: okay , im in users group |
| 05:40.43 | deadcat | loopdee: log out and login |
| 05:41.04 | Dwonis | loopdee: or "su" to yourself. You can check if it's taken effect by running "groups" and seeing if "scanner" is in the list |
| 05:41.06 | loopdee | and scanimage will only return a scanner found as root |
| 05:41.11 | deadcat | madona: comment out all the repos . update, then uncomment them again |
| 05:41.15 | loopdee | oaky |
| 05:41.19 | ozzloy | ozzloy |
| 05:41.23 | ozzloy | wrong window |
| 05:41.46 | madona | deadcat , ok |
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| 05:43.31 | loopdee | cool that works.. guess i have to add the group users to the scanner group |
| 05:43.53 | TwistedEmotionsB | dondelelcaro: I am using PPC buisnesscard ISO - The daily build.. to instll debian on the mac lappy... there should be no problem with tht right? |
| 05:44.21 | Dwonis | loopdee, I'm not sure, can you add a group to another group? |
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| 05:45.11 | loopdee | Dwonis: dunno |
| 05:45.26 | loopdee | Dwonis: maybe some sort of adduser template |
| 05:45.35 | Dwonis | loopdee: ah yes, possibly |
| 05:45.39 | SerajewelKS | loopdee: you're making this too complicated |
| 05:45.47 | SerajewelKS | loopdee: add yourself to the scanner group, end of story |
| 05:45.48 | loopdee | sorry |
| 05:46.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotionsB: should be no problem. |
| 05:46.10 | M_Cheevy | heya folks, following the installation manual for debootstrap installs (section C.4), I've gotten to the point where I am installing a kernel and I can't get past it. I boot from a gen2dmraid live cd. This creates some /dev/mapper devices for my HDs. I then use mount --bind to move those mapper files to the chroot area. When I go to install kernel I get "Unknown DM device 252:5" Any ideas? |
| 05:46.16 | deadcat | no |
| 05:46.32 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotionsB: I used the beta, not the daily, actually. |
| 05:46.57 | M_Cheevy | heya dondelelcaro |
| 05:47.07 | terminusx | does synaptic have ut2004 demo |
| 05:47.15 | deadcat | no |
| 05:47.22 | SerajewelKS | terminusx: synaptic doesn't "have" anything |
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| 05:48.47 | smhar | ok.. I checked more into my problem with the network controller chipset and the ethernet driver in debian.. I manage to get a dvd drive, installed it and installed debian 3.1 stable from a dvd from Linux Format Magazine cover. I got the same problem.. |
| 05:48.57 | konfuzed | ok rebooting it should be happy ;^) |
| 05:49.14 | smhar | anyone intrested in helping please check http://channels.debian.net/paste/1257 |
| 05:49.34 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: I'm confused. Why are you using gen2dmraid instead of the Debian install CD? |
| 05:49.38 | madona | deadcode, I have changet to http://ftp.debian.org and everything Is fine now, |
| 05:49.44 | terminusx | lame :-) |
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| 05:50.26 | M_Cheevy | Dwonis: Not gen2 install, only a live-cd... because it comes with the tools I need to recognise my existing partitions on my Silicon Image 3114 card (fakeraid) |
| 05:50.33 | madona | dedcode, thanks. But do you know why the md5sum can fail once and again ? |
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| 05:51.07 | konfuzed | great one more happy teacher has debian on the workstation |
| 05:51.08 | M_Cheevy | Dwonis: the debian installer does not recognise my existing partitions (win2k, winxp, and win2k3) |
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| 05:51.41 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: Ok, but remember that you'll need to be able to boot the system at some point, and I probably won't be able to help you with that if it doesn't work out of the box. |
| 05:51.55 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: But can you be more specific as to what you've done up to this point? |
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| 05:52.42 | dabaR | hi, debian |
| 05:52.45 | M_Cheevy | Dwonis: I've followed every step in the C.4 section of the Debian Installation manual.. with one additional step, prior to chrooting the /target partition, I did "mount --bind /dev/mapper /target/dev/mapper" |
| 05:53.22 | M_Cheevy | as for getting it to mount have already found scripts to make the initrd I need |
| 05:53.41 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: Ok, I think I know what your problem is, but let me check. I'm not sure that you can mount --bind individual files. |
| 05:54.02 | M_Cheevy | . /dev/mapper is a dir, not a file |
| 05:54.56 | dondelelcaro | you can bind mount individual files... |
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| 05:55.20 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: but not directories? |
| 05:55.48 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: in what kernel? 2.6 doesn't let you. |
| 05:55.48 | M_Cheevy | might be able to get around that... only need to move to devices... the drive and the partition.... |
| 05:55.57 | M_Cheevy | to/two |
| 05:56.02 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: Did the mount --bind work? |
| 05:56.21 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: sure it does. |
| 05:56.36 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: Try it. |
| 05:56.37 | M_Cheevy | dwonis: it appears to have... in the chroot they show as devices (252, 0 and 252, 5) |
| 05:56.55 | smhar | someone please give me a hint of how to solve this.. it is been 6 day now for this problem.. I am tired of unrelated pages google gives me |
| 05:56.56 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how do i mount a osx iso image? i want to make sure my image works. |
| 05:57.20 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: I've got systems that use bind mount on files in the field. |
| 05:57.23 | madona | deadcat, I have changet to http://ftp.debian.org and everything Is fine now, |
| 05:57.32 | jwormy | SerajewelKS, thanks for the info earlier, i got everything working. |
| 05:57.35 | madona | deadcat, thanks. But do you know why the md5sum can fail once and again ? |
| 05:57.42 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: with Linux 2.6. I *just* tried it, and it doesn't work. |
| 05:57.47 | M_Cheevy | dwonis: as for the "permissions" side of things the devices show "brw------" |
| 05:57.51 | deadcat | madona: maybe thats the other end. not your problem |
| 05:57.56 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1258 |
| 05:57.59 | loopdee | /etc/addusers.conf |
| 05:58.07 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: well, then you've got something seriously screwy going on. |
| 05:58.31 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: what was the error message that you got? |
| 05:58.32 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: ah, I see. the destination file has to exist.. my mistake |
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| 05:58.48 | dondelelcaro | yes... just like the destination directory does... |
| 05:59.05 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: My guess is that the bootloader (is it grub or lilo) is getting confused |
| 05:59.17 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: I suspect that you can install the kernel, but not the bootloader |
| 05:59.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it should just be an iso9660 image; mount -o loop -t iso9660; should work. otherwise, it may be hfs, but I thought they stopped doing that. |
| 05:59.48 | M_Cheevy | dwonis: this is going to be a bitch.. I have to configure the boot loader manually |
| 05:59.58 | deadcat | /data/OSXtigerDVD.iso: Apple Partition data block size: 512, first type: Apple_partition_map, name: Apple, number of blocks: 63, second type: Apple_Driver_ATAPI, name: Macintosh, number of blocks: 4, third type: Apple_Free, name: , number of blocks: 0, |
| 06:00.37 | M_Cheevy | Dwonis: I haven't installed a bootloader yet. That's the next step in the manual |
| 06:00.37 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: As far as I can tell, yeah, it's the bootloader. I think what's usually done (though I can't be sure) is to install the bootloader to a non-RAID device |
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| 06:01.22 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: Yes, but often the kernel-image-* packages try to configure the bootloader |
| 06:01.33 | M_Cheevy | Dwonis: there is a way to get grub to work, and I have the steps, but grub isn't installed yet so that can't be the problem. According the Installation manual, that's the next step AFTER I get the kernel-image installed |
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| 06:02.12 | M_Cheevy | so unless the installation manual is totally screwed up, that shouldn't be the case |
| 06:02.22 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: Is the package actually refusing to install and configure properly, or is it just complaining? |
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| 06:02.43 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: A related question: is the lilo package installed? |
| 06:02.50 | M_Cheevy | it's failing.. wait a sec and I'll retype the message it chokes on |
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| 06:03.22 | M_Cheevy | no, no boot loader is installed yet. None.. that's the next step |
| 06:03.47 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: Did you *check* that the *package* isn't installed? I think debootstrap installs one. |
| 06:04.35 | M_Cheevy | "Setting up kernel-image.... / Unknown DM device 252:5 / Failed to create initrd image / subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 |
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| 06:05.02 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: which kernel package did you install? |
| 06:05.08 | M_Cheevy | nope, both lilo and elilo and grub are marked "p" |
| 06:05.36 | M_Cheevy | 2.6.8-2-k7-smp |
| 06:06.03 | M_Cheevy | as for kernel-package itself, 8.135 |
| 06:06.15 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: I forgot about mkinitrd. The kernel package is trying to make an "initrd" image. Do you know what an initrd image is? |
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| 06:06.27 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: i.e. Initial RAMdisk? |
| 06:06.55 | M_Cheevy | dwonis: yes I know what an InitRd is, I need one to get dmraid to run before it will see the boot partitions as /dev files |
| 06:08.12 | M_Cheevy | dwonis: I have a script to create my own initrd but I thought I should do that after the kernel install tried to change it |
| 06:08.29 | M_Cheevy | tried to change it = tried to install it's own |
| 06:08.40 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: ok, the vmlinuz file inside the kernel-image packages are *very* stripped down. They don't even have IDE hard disk support anymore. Instead, when it is installed, the kernel-image package generates an InitRd image automatically. My guess is that this is failing. |
| 06:09.11 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: You can tell the package not to bother by putting the line "do_initrd = No" in the file /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 06:09.16 | M_Cheevy | Dwonis: as the error message says exactly that, I'd agree ("Failed to create initrd image") |
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| 06:09.42 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: But then you have to worry about setting up your own kernel (or at least your own initrd) because the out-of-the-box one won't see anything useful. |
| 06:09.49 | kapil | M_Cheevy: what is your initrd making tool? |
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| 06:10.27 | kapil | M_Cheevy: you may have initrd-tools or yaird or something else |
| 06:10.31 | M_Cheevy | kapil: for dmraid? |
| 06:11.07 | kapil | M_Cheevy: yaird does not support dmraid. |
| 06:11.19 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: Personally, I'd compile my own vmlinuz file with all the drivers I need, and then later (once I got the system booting) worry about initrd images and the like |
| 06:11.44 | M_Cheevy | kapil: cool, seems your on to this... can you come again.. I believe when I installed the kernel-package pkg it installed initrd-tools |
| 06:12.04 | M_Cheevy | Dwonis: would be nice if I had a spare system to do that on ;) |
| 06:12.50 | M_Cheevy | no signs that yaird was installed |
| 06:13.03 | M_Cheevy | doesn't even show up in aptitude |
| 06:14.17 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: Heh, yeah, no kidding. I've usually done it in a chroot environment, though. |
| 06:14.19 | kapil | M_Cheevy: i think the initrd-tools version of mkinitrd only understands lvm, lvm2, cryptsetup and evms for device mapper (dm) root devices |
| 06:14.50 | M_Cheevy | unfortunately, it seems the do_initrd=no didn't do any good |
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| 06:15.17 | kapil | M_Cheevy: does the dmraid package come with some patch for mkinitrd or some hints in /usr/share/doc/dmraid? |
| 06:15.32 | JNelson | hey, how stable is debian testing right now? |
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| 06:15.55 | JNelson | do you think it's worth contaminating my pure and beautiful stable installation? |
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| 06:16.15 | kapil | M_Cheevy: for dmraid root you "must* build an initrd. |
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| 06:16.37 | JNelson | I really want to upgrade rhythmbox in particular |
| 06:16.39 | JNelson | really unstable for me currently |
| 06:16.52 | M_Cheevy | kapil: yes, I know. I've read about 8 different websites on dmraid. The script I've found uses busybox in initrd to do the dirty work. |
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| 06:18.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: why is your power adaptor white? shouldnt it be silver? |
| 06:19.05 | M_Cheevy | kapil: I'm planning on using the gerte scripts (http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/) |
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| 06:19.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dunno, that's just the color that it is |
| 06:20.00 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: this isn't the october powerbook; it's the model before that. |
| 06:20.31 | kapil | M_Cheevy: if you can find a script that uses busybox to setup dmraid root then you can probably tweak mkinitrd to produce the correct initrd as well---but it will be a bit of work. |
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| 06:21.00 | jwormy | alsaconf doesn't see my sound blaster audigy card.. /etc/modutils/alsa-base does list the correct module.. the module is not loaded an i cannot load it: insmod emu10k1 failed.. any ideas? |
| 06:21.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. i dont know why some people have a silver adaptor for their pbook but some have white (ibook), i think apple is too cheap or something. |
| 06:21.01 | M_Cheevy | kapil: well, that's what I came here for... hopeful for leads to any websites or online documentation/howto for it ;) |
| 06:21.28 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you using the lastest kernel? sleep working? |
| 06:21.38 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah; sleep is fine. |
| 06:21.41 | deadcat | nice |
| 06:22.04 | M_Cheevy | kapil: also a bit afraid to set up my own custom kernel on this cause it seems there might be some issues with compiling device-mapper support or leaving it out for that matter.... |
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| 06:23.06 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: do student loans down there cover getting a computer too? |
| 06:23.27 | kapil | M_Cheevy: it may be simpler to create an initrd "by hand" first. Here are some outline steps. (a) take a "standard" initrd for an ATA system. (b) use cramfsck to extract it to a directory. (c) copy the script and the executables,libraries,config files to this directory (c) check :) (d) mkcramfs out of this directory (e) reboot with your new initrd. |
| 06:24.24 | whitehorse1 | what country is dondelelcaro in? /whitehorse1 asks curiouslu |
| 06:24.48 | Guerin | whitehorse1: /whois dondelelcaro |
| 06:24.52 | M_Cheevy | Kapil: unfortunately, all that hinges on getting a "standard" initrd installed first! I just want to try and get it to ignore the /dev error during the build |
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| 06:25.54 | whitehorse1 | Guerin: True, I could've done that; cloaking often obfuscates the whois data tho @ anyway I'll go look now :) |
| 06:26.47 | deadcat | someone tell me why camorama depends on freakin dbus-1? what the fuck. and someone please help me bitch at the developers? |
| 06:27.07 | M_Cheevy | Kapil: that being said, I've created a text file with those instructions.. thanks |
| 06:27.11 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i bet you dont have dbus-1 on your system eh? |
| 06:27.35 | kapil | M_Cheevy: edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and replace ROOT="probe" with ROOT="/dev/hdan" where hdan is an IDE disk with the "correct" filesystem. Alternatively put MODULES=most (huge initrd) and ROOT="". |
| 06:28.17 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: dunno |
| 06:28.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: probably not, but never really bothered to check |
| 06:28.40 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: I just installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7, and posted the initrd file at http://rivest.dlitz.net/~dwon/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 06:29.21 | kapil | M_Cheevy: that will create a simple initrd for you to play with. |
| 06:29.36 | smhar | I am back :-) |
| 06:29.49 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: and don't worry, I didn't put any backdoors, trojans, or other malware in it :) |
| 06:30.00 | SimonRaven | ok. just curious. when i - briefly - attended uni (i took comp. eng. + prereqs) we could apply for a separate loan or bursary (can't remember which now) to get a box. nowadays, it's probably any student, not just comp. sci./eng. |
| 06:30.05 | M_Cheevy | Kapil: okay.... |
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| 06:30.51 | kapil | M_Cheevy: you may also find DELAY=5 (or more) a useful setting on the initrd in case things go wrong. |
| 06:31.20 | M_Cheevy | Dwonis: considering I'll be opening up and editing it as per Kapil instructions...... much obliged |
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| 06:31.28 | smhar | I tird changing static to dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces than dhclient and it kept trying DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 then 11 then then for six times |
| 06:31.32 | Dwonis | M_Cheevy: no problem :) |
| 06:31.39 | M_Cheevy | Kapil: no worries, I have a way to get back my system if something chokes on the mbr boot |
| 06:31.50 | smhar | then it said NO DHCPOFFERS recvieved |
| 06:31.58 | M_Cheevy | Kapil: got three other OS's on the system after all ;) |
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| 06:32.11 | smhar | and No working leases in persistent database |
| 06:32.21 | kapil | M_Cheevy: best of luck. |
| 06:32.33 | M_Cheevy | gratsi |
| 06:32.37 | M_Cheevy | ciao |
| 06:32.39 | whitehorse1 | I have heard of some (US) uni's requiring incoming students get/have a computer, to bring with them. may've been texas, I forget |
| 06:33.12 | smhar | I tried modprobe -r e100 and then modprobe eepro100 and then dhclient eth0 again and it gave the same errors |
| 06:33.15 | smhar | now what |
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| 06:35.50 | SimonRaven | duh me, i'm sitting here wondering why the server started getting noisy. i look at the time and it's like 6:29 UTC.... |
| 06:36.05 | SimonRaven | cron.daily! |
| 06:37.33 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: Heh. Yeah, I used to wonder why my server (which has a bunch of user-mode-linux installs of Debian on it) would slow to a crawl at certain times throughout the day. |
| 06:37.52 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: It turned out that every virtual machine was running cron.daily at the exact same time. |
| 06:37.59 | SimonRaven | fun |
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| 06:38.04 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: Performance got a lot better when I staggered the jobs |
| 06:38.15 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 06:38.17 | Guerin | Dwonis: yeah, UML box did that too |
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| 06:39.27 | smhar | I am trying every channel and they logically sends me back here to ask for help, it is a debian problem, ask in #debian :-) |
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| 06:40.03 | smhar | but I cann't seem to make anybody here intrested in looking into my problem :-9 |
| 06:40.25 | Dwonis | "NO DHCPOFFERS received" means there's no DHCP server that's reachable |
| 06:40.26 | scorphus | smhar: say it |
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| 06:41.09 | xevious | what program do i need to get from apt to put my laptop in suspend using acpi? |
| 06:41.28 | xevious | acpitool? |
| 06:41.36 | smhar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1257 |
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| 06:41.44 | smhar | scorphus, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1257 |
| 06:41.48 | scorphus | ;) |
| 06:41.49 | Crazy6 | sweet jesus, why is it so hard to get mplayer on debian... |
| 06:41.50 | Dwonis | "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timed out" eww |
| 06:41.52 | fando | xevious, just a sec i have it set up |
| 06:42.05 | kadambi | I am unable to execute $cdrecord -blank=fast -dev=/dev/hdd |
| 06:42.14 | kadambi | help |
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| 06:42.32 | fando | xevious, i have something called acpid |
| 06:42.43 | Dwonis | kadambi: can you be more specific? |
| 06:42.49 | whitehorse1 | Crazy6: it isn't really. use the marillat repository? |
| 06:42.49 | smhar | scorphus, I cannot connect to network.. this is a fresh debian install.. I tried sarge net-inst and etch net-inst and 3.1 stable dvd, same problem |
| 06:42.51 | xevious | fando: acpid doesnt supply the suspend program |
| 06:43.18 | Dwonis | smhar, do other Linux distros work? |
| 06:43.40 | whitehorse1 | Crazy6: and er license issues in answer to your actual questn |
| 06:43.43 | kadambi | Dwonis, it says that in 2.6 series the SCSI emulation is removed and hence i'm not able to do that |
| 06:44.01 | Crazy6 | whitehorse1: ok,Ill look that up... hopefully it wont break my current install? |
| 06:44.15 | kadambi | Dwonis, cdrecord -scanbus is not listing ny device |
| 06:44.19 | Crazy6 | whitehorse1: when I tried to do aomsehting equivalent with FC4, it was an impossible hassle |
| 06:44.24 | Dwonis | kadambi: I was just going to ask |
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| 06:44.38 | loopdee | if i do umask 000 as root , is it only temporarily? |
| 06:44.41 | smhar | Dwonis, does windows count :-) I had mandrake 10 in this pc and it was working fine and knoppix 3.3 live is working as well |
| 06:44.51 | fando | xevious, can you do it manually? like cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state |
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| 06:45.27 | smhar | Dwonis, but both were using a different driver eepro100, but debian offers only e100 during the install |
| 06:45.32 | Dwonis | kadambi, is yours a DVD recorder? |
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| 06:45.52 | poop | Man, I haven't used raid under linux in probably > 7 years |
| 06:46.00 | xevious | fando: acpid supplies the functionality to monitor acpi events, but doesnt provide a function to put the laptop into suspend |
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| 06:46.36 | fando | xevious, understood, but that functionality should be enabled by your kernel |
| 06:46.41 | ma3x | hello |
| 06:46.45 | Dwonis | Does anybody know if the sarge install CD boots with Linux 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 06:46.52 | xevious | fando: ok |
| 06:46.54 | kapil | kadambi: do you have an ATA device? |
| 06:46.54 | poop | Dwonis: both |
| 06:46.55 | ma3x | I have scanned my harddrive with ''badblocks' and the result was : Pass completed, 224 bad blocks found. |
| 06:46.56 | fando | xevious, meanwhile i'm searching for any other packages i have installed that are necessary |
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| 06:47.01 | ma3x | what do i do now? |
| 06:47.08 | Dwonis | smhar, are you booting Linux 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 06:47.23 | Dwonis | smhar: it could be that the drivers aren't supported in 2.4 |
| 06:47.23 | xevious | fando: i got something called acpitool that has a suspend program |
| 06:47.30 | Dwonis | smhar: just a guess, though |
| 06:47.33 | whitehorse1 | Crazy6 shouldn't do, nope. actually hang on a tick, lemme open firefox to get a url ~ some discussion of issues when installing |
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| 06:47.39 | tvn | Dwonis: you can choose to install either one |
| 06:47.50 | Dwonis | kadambi, have you tried dev=ATAPI:blah ? |
| 06:47.53 | mike-e | Anyone ever heard of b3dbroadband? |
| 06:47.56 | smhar | Dwonis, 2.6 |
| 06:48.41 | fando | xevious, hm you could try it but I don't have that installed... all I have is acpid |
| 06:49.17 | xevious | fando: got it working quite easily with acpid and acpitool |
| 06:49.30 | Dwonis | smhar, it looks almost like a kernel problem, but it could be a debian-specific problem. I dunno, e100 works for me, but I'm not running Debian's kernel |
| 06:49.42 | xevious | just had to make two files: /etc/acpi/events/lid and /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
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| 06:49.58 | whitehorse1 | Crazy6 it's in the context of Debian etch aka testing rather than sarge aka stable, by the way. link http://www.livejournal.com/~debian/275857.html |
| 06:49.59 | Dwonis | kadambi, like dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 or dev=ATAPI:1,0,0 or something like that |
| 06:50.14 | fando | xevious, right I have powerbtn.sh and sleep.sh with events lid and powerbutton |
| 06:50.44 | xevious | fando: do you mind dcc'ing your sleep.sh and lid event to me so i can compare and see if i should modify anything? |
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| 06:51.01 | fando | xevious, i'll send them over |
| 06:51.06 | xevious | fando: thanks! |
| 06:51.29 | Dwonis | kadambi, have you read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup ? |
| 06:52.26 | ma3x | hey is there really noone here to help me? |
| 06:52.27 | Dwonis | kadambi, try cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus |
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| 06:53.02 | Dwonis | ma3x, you'll have to be more specific :) |
| 06:53.29 | ma3x | Dwonis, I have just a couple of months new USB external Maxtor 250 GB hard drive |
| 06:53.48 | ma3x | and now it shows badblocks, and sometimes errors occur, and the drive switches to read only |
| 06:53.56 | ma3x | what should I do? |
| 06:54.02 | ma3x | are bad blocks repairable? |
| 06:54.07 | Guerin | ma3x: no. |
| 06:54.09 | Dwonis | ma3x, you could have a defective drive. |
| 06:54.12 | Guerin | ma3x: buy another drive |
| 06:54.23 | Dwonis | ma3x, if you still have warranty on the drive, send it back |
| 06:54.28 | poop | ma3x: Get a diagnostic from Maxturd. |
| 06:54.29 | ma3x | Guerin, I have one year guarantee |
| 06:54.37 | ma3x | poop, what is maxturd? |
| 06:54.45 | ma3x | I've been searching for tools to test the hard drive |
| 06:54.53 | Guerin | ma3x: so cash it in |
| 06:54.54 | ma3x | but maxor , they don't have anything on their website |
| 06:55.02 | ma3x | only apps for mac |
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| 06:55.06 | Guerin | ma3x: take it back to where you bought it from |
| 06:55.06 | streuner | ma3x: .hu |
| 06:55.08 | Dwonis | ma3x: you might try ide-smart (if it's still available) |
| 06:55.10 | fando | xevious, i might have to port forward so I uploaded it instead: http://minimetria.com/acpi.tgz |
| 06:55.12 | ma3x | and all they gave me with the hard disk, was one windows cd |
| 06:55.22 | xevious | fando: many thanks |
| 06:55.24 | smhar | Dwonis, I will try 2.4 kernel |
| 06:55.25 | streuner | ma3x: for europe you have to sent it to hungary |
| 06:55.26 | ma3x | streuner, what's hu? |
| 06:55.39 | ma3x | streuner, but I bought it from switzerland |
| 06:55.43 | ma3x | why can't I send it here? |
| 06:55.59 | ma3x | how much would that cast me to send it to .hu? |
| 06:56.06 | Guerin | ma3x: take it back where you bought it |
| 06:56.07 | ma3x | probably $20-30, no? |
| 06:56.07 | Dwonis | smhar, yeah, you might want to try that. It's much easier to fix problems once you have a functioning install to work from. |
| 06:56.12 | streuner | ma3x: ask maxtor, warranty issues you have to sent to hungary |
| 06:56.22 | whitehorse1 | pfft phone their european hq and ask them where you've option of sending it to. |
| 06:56.24 | Guerin | ma3x: and this is offtopic in #debian, so we don't ccare |
| 06:56.27 | smhar | thank Dwonis |
| 06:56.34 | ma3x | Guerin, one more question |
| 06:56.35 | ma3x | please |
| 06:56.48 | Dwonis | smhar, no problem. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. |
| 06:56.54 | streuner | ma3x: well, my last drive would be about 20 Euro, so i decided not to sent the drive... |
| 06:56.56 | ma3x | how do I proove the hdd is not working with their tools? |
| 06:57.03 | ma3x | are they having some tools that can test the hdd? |
| 06:57.08 | ma3x | because all they have is windows cd |
| 06:57.27 | Guerin | ma3x: badblocks are badblocks, they show up on any diagnostic tools |
| 06:57.28 | ma3x | streuner, so what did you do with your drive, and what kind of drive was it? |
| 06:57.45 | fando | is firestarter a frontend to iptables or something? |
| 06:57.46 | streuner | ma3x: throwed it in trash |
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| 06:58.00 | ma3x | streuner, what kind of hard drive was that, expensive? |
| 06:58.02 | whitehorse1 | ma3x send them the drive - they're the technicians, let THEM test it more fully. |
| 06:58.11 | ma3x | because I got this 250 GB, I can't just throw it away |
| 06:58.27 | Dwonis | ma3x, if you want to do a quick test, install the ide-smart package, or the newer smartmontools package |
| 06:58.28 | vega- | maxtor disks suck |
| 06:58.39 | Dwonis | ma3x, and use either ide-smart /dev/hda |
| 06:58.41 | whitehorse1 | fando sorta. it's more a simplified interface to firewalling a system to prevent the enduser having to worry about or rather understand iptable rules and stuff |
| 06:58.43 | poop | I had yet another maxturd die just today. |
| 06:58.46 | Dwonis | or smartctl -H /dev/hda |
| 06:58.58 | ma3x | Dwonis, this is /dev/sda (external hard drive). I don't think smart is available |
| 06:59.01 | fando | whitehorse1, great! it's made for me... i never got around to iptables :P |
| 06:59.05 | Dwonis | ma3x, ah, crap. |
| 06:59.10 | enveezee | fando, yes basically. |
| 06:59.12 | whitehorse1 | fando :) |
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| 06:59.15 | ma3x | poop, your maxtor, or some company's? |
| 06:59.32 | streuner | poop: hd's die - that's just normal, but its a important issue where you have to sent those items in warranty-cases... |
| 06:59.44 | poop | poop: Try to get a refund so you can buy a better drive. |
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| 06:59.58 | vega- | i've had lots of failed maxtors, never going to buy another |
| 06:59.59 | Dwonis | ma3x, you could *try* smartmontools with it. apparently smartctl's usage info has a line for using /dev/sda. |
| 07:00.02 | whitehorse1 | seagate/samsung for example. |
| 07:00.03 | vega- | as have many people i know |
| 07:00.06 | poop | streuner: I've had the "same" drive go back twice. |
| 07:00.34 | poop | or is it thrice? I lost count |
| 07:00.37 | Dwonis | ma3x: since it's probably not a real SCSI drive |
| 07:01.17 | Dwonis | ma3x: but yeah, I worked at a webhost for a few years. New drives were dying more often than I would have thought. |
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| 07:02.36 | ma3x | Dwonis, Device: Maxtor OneTouch II Version: 023g Device does not support SMART |
| 07:03.02 | ma3x | Dwonis, what means the death of a hard drive? when you find badblocks? |
| 07:03.34 | Dwonis | ma3x: well, bad blocks are usually the precursor to the drive totally failing to work, in my experience. |
| 07:03.49 | ma3x | So what do I have to tell the shop where I bought it from? "Here, the hardrive is not usable, it has badblocks, could you repair it please?" |
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| 07:03.51 | Dwonis | ma3x: If you're getting bad blocks, my advice is to make a backup of any important data NOW |
| 07:04.06 | whitehorse1 | not repair - REPLACE. |
| 07:04.17 | poop | Enough, stop feeding him |
| 07:04.31 | whitehorse1 | preferably with another brand if you can get a refund or if not an under warranty replacement. |
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| 07:04.36 | streuner | poop: no, we know him... |
| 07:04.48 | poop | You can only say the same thing so many ways. |
| 07:05.00 | whitehorse1 | nod |
| 07:05.27 | ma3x | and what other brand would do you preffer? |
| 07:05.43 | whitehorse1 | samsung/seagate |
| 07:06.00 | ma3x | they manufacter external drives? |
| 07:06.07 | whitehorse1 | yes. |
| 07:06.21 | quitte | just put an internal drive in an external case |
| 07:06.26 | Dwonis | ma3x: one of these: http://gadgets.fosfor.se/the-top-10-weirdest-usb-drives-ever/ ;) |
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| 07:07.49 | ma3x | haha Dwonis |
| 07:07.52 | whitehorse1 | [ot] why must all my rechargeable batts run out at once |
| 07:08.03 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:08.19 | poop | That reminds. I need to put AAAs on my shopping list. |
| 07:10.17 | bird | who can tell me which version xine can play SVCD? |
| 07:10.28 | xevious | what's the default runlevel in etch? |
| 07:10.42 | poop | xev: I'd be willing to bet 2 |
| 07:10.49 | streuner | bird: every |
| 07:10.51 | xevious | righito |
| 07:10.53 | xevious | er |
| 07:10.54 | xevious | rightio |
| 07:10.56 | xevious | thanks poop |
| 07:11.05 | poop | I never get tired of hearing that. |
| 07:11.10 | bird | but i failing |
| 07:11.12 | xevious | i had fun typing it |
| 07:11.17 | poop | heh |
| 07:11.28 | bird | streuner:but i failing |
| 07:11.35 | Dwonis | poop: why that nick? |
| 07:11.47 | poop | It wasn't taken. |
| 07:11.56 | Dwonis | poop: good enough! |
| 07:11.57 | madradrone | xevious: grep default /etc/inittab |
| 07:11.58 | bird | streuner:it is not working |
| 07:12.24 | streuner | bird: read the FAQ at their website |
| 07:12.32 | xevious | madradrone: ah, thanks for clarifying :) |
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| 07:12.36 | Dwonis | bird: Do you have permission to access your CDROM device? |
| 07:12.47 | xevious | ok |
| 07:12.52 | xevious | time to test these new init scripts |
| 07:12.55 | xevious | byebye |
| 07:13.01 | bird | have permission |
| 07:13.03 | Dwonis | xevious: famous last words |
| 07:13.06 | xevious | hahah |
| 07:13.09 | xevious | they'll work |
| 07:13.14 | bird | streuner:have permission |
| 07:15.08 | Dwonis | bird: I don't have any SVCDs, so I can't help you much, other than to point you to the FAQ: http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq |
| 07:15.42 | HyperZid | hi.. anyone know about any realvnc client I can install trouh apt-get? |
| 07:16.09 | HyperZid | want to be able to connect to my friends realvnc server.. on a windows box.. |
| 07:16.27 | bird | Dwonis: thanks! |
| 07:16.34 | Dwonis | Hydroxide: apt-get install xvncviewer |
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| 07:17.04 | Supaplex | what alternatives are there to traceroute to monitor packet loss? I think something on this connection at my parents house is lossy .... |
| 07:17.19 | Dwonis | Hydroxide: there's also xvnc4viewer, if that's available |
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| 07:17.44 | bird | Dwonis: how can i know if i have pernission to access CDROM device |
| 07:17.47 | Supaplex | eg, I want to test 20-30 packets between each hop, not just 2-3 like traceroute does |
| 07:17.47 | whitehorse1 | bbl |
| 07:17.54 | HyperZid | Dwonis, I guess you mean me.. and not Hydroxide |
| 07:18.17 | Dwonis | HyperZid, yeah, I typed "Hy<TAB>" :) |
| 07:18.33 | philips | ~ |
| 07:18.47 | poop | Where do the pre-udev /dev devices come from? Does d-i create them or a package script? |
| 07:19.00 | dondelelcaro | poop: devfs in d-i, MAKEDEV otherwise. |
| 07:19.01 | Dwonis | bird: well, you have to find out what your CDROM device node is (e.g /dev/cdrom, if you're lucky) |
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| 07:19.10 | Dwonis | bird: then type ls -lL /dev/cdrom |
| 07:19.23 | Dwonis | bird: then run "groups" to see what groups you're in |
| 07:19.26 | HyperZid | Dwonis, nice.. thanks!:).. worked at first try |
| 07:19.36 | poop | I'm moving linux around partitions, but it doesn't like empty /dev when booting. |
| 07:19.37 | Dwonis | HyperZid, no problem :) |
| 07:20.01 | HyperZid | so user friendly.. even a child could do it.. I love it:-) |
| 07:20.11 | Dwonis | bird: I'm assuming you know a little bit about Linux permissions. You can post the output of the ls -lL command here if you need more help. |
| 07:21.08 | xevious | sweet |
| 07:21.12 | xevious | init scripts worked |
| 07:21.15 | xevious | goodnight folks |
| 07:21.21 | Dwonis | xevious, lol good job! :) |
| 07:21.25 | HyperZid | Dwonis, do you got any clue how I can play movies over vnc.. and still see the picture? |
| 07:21.26 | bird | Dwonis: yes,permission lrwxtwxrwx everyone is access |
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| 07:21.40 | xevious | Dwonis: wasn't anything complex. just a startup script for the slim display manager |
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| 07:21.54 | Dwonis | bird: no, you need -L (capital L) as well. that's just the symlink you're seeing, which always has those "permissions" |
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| 07:22.03 | xevious | Dwonis: case $1 in... |
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| 07:22.37 | Dwonis | xevious, aya. well then your "leetness" is lessened ;) |
| 07:22.37 | xevious | anyway... g'night |
| 07:22.43 | Dwonis | xevious, g'nite |
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| 07:23.08 | Dwonis | HyperZid: short answer: play the movie really slowly :) |
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| 07:23.27 | Dwonis | HyperZid: you might be able to get away with some sort of custom VNC-specific movie player, but I doubt it. |
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| 07:23.41 | Dwonis | HyperZid: You'd be better off with VideoLAN if you want networked video |
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| 07:24.23 | Dwonis | bird: the other thing you can do is check if you can do other things with the CD drive, e.g. play CDs |
| 07:24.30 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 07:24.31 | Dwonis | bird: if you can, then it's probably not a permissions problem |
| 07:25.10 | bird | Dwonis: i can play DVD |
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| 07:26.13 | Dwonis | bird: hmm, ok. Have you checked that xine's properly configured to use your CDROM drive? I don't know what the defaults are. |
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| 07:26.43 | Dwonis | bird: On *my* system, /dev/cdrom doesn't exist, so I had to go to Configuration->gui and set "Configuration experience level" to "Advanced" |
| 07:27.10 | elPepo | I connect to Internet using my dial-up interface (ppp0), but when I try with my LAN interface (eth0) too, the routing tables are wrong and cannot visit any site in Internet |
| 07:27.10 | elPepo | how do I fix that? |
| 07:27.22 | Dwonis | bird: Then, I could go to the "media" tab, and set "device used for CD audio", "device used for DVD playback", etc |
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| 07:27.53 | Dwonis | bird: You might want to check that "CD-ROM drive used for VCD when none given" (vcd.device) is set to the same thing as your DVD playback device) |
| 07:28.15 | quitte | elPepo: you are trying to use two routes to the internet at the same time? |
| 07:28.18 | Dwonis | bird: but, again, I don't really know because I've never played an SVCD using xine (only DVDs) |
| 07:28.55 | jake1932 | anyone know a util that will split a bunch of MIME messages into different files? munpack only seems to take a single message. |
| 07:29.09 | elPepo | no, I want use one interface to my LAN and the other to connect to Internet (no NAT) in the same machine |
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| 07:29.16 | Dwonis | jake1932: for i in * ; do munpack ... ; done ? ;) |
| 07:29.24 | Dwonis | jake1932: I assume you're not using maildirs :( |
| 07:29.28 | quitte | elPepo: lan gets the address by dhcp? |
| 07:29.30 | jake1932 | it's a single file |
| 07:29.37 | dondelelcaro | jake1932: if it's a mbox, use formail. |
| 07:29.42 | jake1932 | oh |
| 07:29.48 | jake1932 | must check that out - tnx |
| 07:30.09 | elPepo | I am using static IP |
| 07:30.10 | Dwonis | jake1932: you could also use mb2md to convert your mailbox into a maildir (maildirs have 1 file per message), then run munpack on each file, if you want |
| 07:30.20 | Dwonis | jake1932: but check out formail first |
| 07:30.27 | poop | jake1932: uudeview maybe |
| 07:30.47 | quitte | elPepo: you're most likely setting a default route somewhere anyways. |
| 07:31.01 | quitte | elPepo: dont do it and it should work |
| 07:31.03 | jake1932 | Dwonis: will do - tnx again - i was doin a lot of searching but coming up with nothing |
| 07:31.16 | Dwonis | jake1932: no problem :) |
| 07:31.30 | quitte | elPepo: or you're setting a nameserver |
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| 07:32.04 | liable | elPepo: man route, theres even examples for setting a route for a lan.. |
| 07:32.07 | Dwonis | elPepo: quitte's probably right. If you're using /etc/network/interfaces, get rid of the "gateway" line for eth0 |
| 07:32.09 | elPepo | no, I am not setting nameserver |
| 07:32.25 | Dwonis | elPepo: what's the output of "ip route"? |
| 07:32.49 | Dwonis | elPepo: (but use http://channels.debian.net/paste/) |
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| 07:34.18 | Thaiger | I just installed debian on my new laptop, but on first boot it says Missing kernel or user mode driver hw_random. I used the net-install disk, what can I do? |
| 07:34.28 | kevix | here is my query: I had a machine that I could turn on by 'pressing the spacebar'. I did not configure the machine, it just worked. my new machine I think should be able to do the same but I'm not sure how to set up IIUC ACPI. any hints. |
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| 07:35.17 | Dwonis | Thaiger: most PCs don't have hw_random hardware (hardware random number generators). Don't worry about it. If you want, you can uninstall the rng-tools package. |
| 07:35.18 | rafx | was the plan to release updates (3.1r1,r2...) to debian stable every 2 months scrapped? |
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| 07:35.23 | quitte | kevix: its in the bios |
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| 07:36.09 | Tarantulafudge | does anyone know an up-to-date debian hardening tutorial? |
| 07:36.15 | kevix | quitte, the bios dont not show any acpi options, AFAICT. |
| 07:36.36 | Dwonis | Tarantulafudge: other than the harden-* packages? |
| 07:37.06 | Tarantulafudge | Dwonis: there are harden pacakges?? |
| 07:37.08 | Thaiger | Dwonis: I get that on boot though and it just stops there |
| 07:37.10 | kevix | rafx, where did you read this. |
| 07:37.12 | Dwonis | Tarantulafudge: oh sorry, I read "tool" when you wrote "tutorial" |
| 07:37.12 | quitte | kevix: then look in the manual of your mainboard |
| 07:37.21 | Dwonis | Tarantulafudge: apt-get install harden-doc :) |
| 07:37.34 | Tarantulafudge | Dwonis: lol, really? |
| 07:37.40 | kevix | quitte, are you implying that I need to set a MB jumper? |
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| 07:38.09 | quitte | kevix: no. im implying that either your bios does it or it wont work from power of state |
| 07:38.15 | Dwonis | Tarantulafudge: yup http://packages.debian.org/harden-doc |
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| 07:38.25 | quitte | power off |
| 07:39.06 | quitte | kevix: but actually it might be a jumper. id be surprised if new boards still have it but might be worth having a look |
| 07:39.11 | Tarantulafudge | Dwonis: that information is incredibly old |
| 07:39.37 | kevix | quitte, I may check for a bios update but from linux its not ususally possible. |
| 07:39.47 | Dwonis | Thaiger: that's odd. The hw_random device might not actually be what it's hanging on, but you can still try booting into single-user mode and removing rng-tools, and see if that makes a difference. |
| 07:40.02 | kevix | quitte, its from 2000. so its not new. |
| 07:40.03 | rafx | kevix: http://people.debian.org/~joey/stable.html says "Updates to the stable Debian distribution are planned every two months, if nothing serious happens in between." |
| 07:40.21 | quitte | kevix: that's why i always have a dos on my first partition |
| 07:40.21 | elPepo | ok, I comment the gateway section and it works ;) |
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| 07:40.23 | Thaiger | Dwonis: Does that same thing when I try to boot to single user mode |
| 07:40.43 | rafx | kevix: that page also lists "3.1r1 — August 2005" and the link from 3.1.r1 points to http://people.debian.org/~joey/3.1r1/ |
| 07:40.49 | rafx | hope that helps |
| 07:40.51 | Dwonis | Tarantulafudge: hrm, really? What kind of info are you looking for? I don't suspect that a lot has changed, other than certain packages being found vulnerable (and you're best to look at the debian-security-announce mailing list archives for that) |
| 07:40.55 | quitte | kevix: btw use ms dos for that. some flash tools dont work with other doses |
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| 07:41.17 | kevix | rafx, cool. I'd believe joeyh, if its possible, he can do it. |
| 07:41.20 | Dwonis | Thaiger: You could try the init=/bin/sh option, but I don't know how well that works with initrd images. |
| 07:41.48 | Dwonis | Thaiger: That would run /bin/sh before running *anything* (including the initial ramdisk stuff, if you have any) |
| 07:42.01 | Thaiger | Thanks, I'll give that a try |
| 07:42.06 | Dwonis | Thaiger: the other thing you could do is to boot a live CD (e.g. Knoppix) |
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| 07:42.18 | kevix | quitte, sounds like MS to me! making bios updates not work with other doss' |
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| 07:42.24 | Dwonis | Thaiger: mount the filesystem, chroot into it, and run dpkg --remove rng-tools |
| 07:42.44 | quitte | kevix: actually i had that problem with a ibm thinkpad |
| 07:42.49 | Thaiger | Dwonis: I think I have a liveCD sitting around, that sounds better |
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| 07:43.16 | kevix | quitte, thx for the hints. |
| 07:43.20 | rking | is there a package maintainer in the house? i'd like to get some stuff packaged |
| 07:43.21 | Dwonis | Thaiger: This is also a good lesson on why you have no security without physical security :) |
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| 07:43.54 | kevix | rking, you file an 'rfp' in the bts (request for package) (bug tracking system) |
| 07:44.13 | rking | kevix: what are the odds that i'll actually get the thing packaged? |
| 07:44.14 | Thaiger | Dwonis: What do I do if rng-tools isn't installed? |
| 07:44.27 | quitte | Dwonis: encrypted rootfs helps - but i wont do it again. the usb stick i stored the key on died. |
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| 07:44.40 | rking | kevix: i.e., is there a "what we are going to package" faq? |
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| 07:45.16 | kevix | rking, if you can package it, someone in debian (a DD) can sponsor your package into debian |
| 07:45.32 | rking | kevix: aha - so before i do the RFP i should go ahead and .debianize it? |
| 07:45.33 | Dwonis | Thaiger: pull your hair out? actually, you'd want to look in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d, for stuff that might be failing (you could even move some of that to a temporary directory, or insert extra commands that to "echo 'You are here'", to see what's happening) |
| 07:45.39 | Dwonis | Thaiger: basically, poke around :) |
| 07:45.46 | Dwonis | quitte: ouch |
| 07:45.55 | Dwonis | quitte: was the swap encrypted? |
| 07:46.06 | kevix | rking, if you can do it, someone in Debian can get your work into Debian. |
| 07:46.29 | rking | kevix: debian's not bad, i suppose. =D |
| 07:46.36 | Dwonis | quitte: Without encrypted swap (or no swap) your security is about as good as copy protection :) |
| 07:46.38 | quitte | Dwonis: haha. no. but you're right. i didnt think of that. |
| 07:46.38 | kevix | rking, I'd suggest looking for some DD who has packaged software in a similar area. |
| 07:46.47 | rking | kevix: and just email them directly? |
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| 07:47.08 | Dwonis | quitte: there also might be the issue of malloc()ing memory with sensitive data residue in it |
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| 07:47.38 | kevix | rking, you may want to do that. you can also email IIUC debian-devel and ask if someone would like to sponsor your package. |
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| 07:47.43 | Dwonis | quitte: but I suppose it's better than nothing, which is what I have :) |
| 07:48.02 | kevix | rking, there is also more info at the debian-mentor site and mailing list |
| 07:48.17 | nunez | how would I go about downloading a whole LDAP database at one time like a single command? |
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| 07:48.20 | quitte | Dwonis: i had it on my laptop. it was to protect from looking at the data if it was stolen |
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| 07:48.50 | rking | kevix: thank you for being so helpful - this will be a fun project. |
| 07:48.57 | Dwonis | quitte: heh. Yeah, I used an encrypted home directory on my laptop, years ago, also :) |
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| 07:49.28 | kevix | rking, BTW what were you going to package? |
| 07:49.52 | Dwonis | quitte: I gave up at some point, once the kernel patches became too much of a pain to be worth it :) |
| 07:49.59 | quitte | Dwonis: nobody wants this thinkpad 600 anyways. well maybe i should put a p3 450 inside sticker back on it |
| 07:50.14 | quitte | Dwonis: vanilla worked when i did it |
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| 07:50.40 | Dwonis | quitte: eh? What did you use? |
| 07:50.51 | quitte | Dwonis: loopback aes |
| 07:51.22 | Dwonis | quitte: heh. when I did this, AES didn't exist yet :) I used the cfs package (the one that was NOT to do with coda) |
| 07:51.27 | HyperZid | how can I mount an .cue/.bin file with mount? |
| 07:51.51 | quitte | HyperZid: cdemu.sf.net |
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| 07:52.09 | kevix | HyperZid, IIUC you have to convert them into an .iso, which you can mount. |
| 07:52.20 | Dwonis | quitte: loopback AES was probably a lot better. cfs did it over a loopback NFS fielsystem. The directory structure was actually not encrypted (though the directory & file names were) |
| 07:52.21 | quitte | kevix: or use cdemu.sf.net |
| 07:52.54 | Dwonis | quitte: and actually, I think the real reason I stopped using it was because a lot of programs don't like NFS semantics on ~/.whatever |
| 07:53.06 | quitte | Dwonis: i still hope encryption will find it's way into resier4 soon. i might buy a dozen usb sticks and give it another try |
| 07:53.16 | Dwonis | quitte: It's amazing how much stuff using NFS homedirs actually breaks |
| 07:53.21 | kevix | !dpkg bchunk |
| 07:53.21 | dpkg | [bchunk] a bin2iso tool to convert .bin to .iso and .cdr so you can burn with cdrecord. eg: 'cdrecord ... blah.iso -audio [-pad] [-swab] blah*.cdr'. It's available at http://hes.iki.fi/bchunk/, or in debian (woody and above) |
| 07:54.24 | Dwonis | quitte: Yeah, I probably will too at some point, but mostly I'll trust it the same amount I trust my PGP/SSH passphrases: they give me enough time to revoke the keys and change passwords before an attacker figures them out. |
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| 07:54.29 | quitte | Dwonis: never experienced that. instead i have nfs hardly working all the time. it seems it even depends on the nic used. now that i use nfs over tcp its a lot better,though |
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| 07:55.00 | rking | sorry - just had to toot my own horn on that one. |
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| 07:55.09 | rking | too bad it can't possibly go anywhere |
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| 07:55.32 | Dwonis | quitte: I haven't used NFS4 much. I use it to access my music over the LAN. It works mostly, but it has a bug where if you don't stat() *some* file in the filesystem, it will return EISDIR when you try to read a file. |
| 07:55.47 | quitte | Dwonis: since my usb key broke i recommend to everybody i see using such a thing to put the protection cap on _always_ |
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| 07:55.51 | HyperZid | quitte, a pain to install cdemu.sf.net.. I have to use the kernel libs to get it working |
| 07:55.53 | Dwonis | quitte: xmms tweaks this problem |
| 07:56.06 | HyperZid | kevix, where can I find iiuc? |
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| 07:56.24 | HyperZid | ah.. bchunk |
| 07:56.29 | Dwonis | quitte: heh. what did you do to it that putting the cap on would have helped?? |
| 07:56.44 | quitte | i put it my pocket |
| 07:56.49 | quitte | in my pocket |
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| 07:57.02 | kevix | HyperZid, it in debian! 'apt-get install bchunk' |
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| 07:57.04 | bird | Dwonis: i no have gui,how can i do |
| 07:57.07 | Dwonis | quitte: too much pocket lint? or static discharge? |
| 07:57.14 | HyperZid | kevix, yep.. I just dit:) |
| 07:57.24 | Dwonis | bird: no gui? for xine? |
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| 07:57.30 | quitte | Dwonis: static i think. i know how to remove lint |
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| 07:58.08 | bird | yes,only backplay |
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| 07:58.17 | Dwonis | bird: if you run xine, then right-click the main window and go to Settings -> Setup |
| 07:58.23 | |V\oNK | how needed is portmap for a server that only runs http ssh and irc? |
| 07:58.33 | quitte | Dwonis: i wonder if hbci cards could be used for encrypting filesystems - but otoh they'd propably be too slow |
| 07:59.17 | Dwonis | quitte: I'm not familiar with hbci cards. Do they do their own encryption? |
| 07:59.27 | kevix | bodhisattva, probably not. but also use a firewall to block ports. |
| 07:59.39 | bodhisattva | i will |
| 07:59.42 | bird | Dwonis: let me try |
| 08:00.03 | quitte | Dwonis: i think so, yes. but im not too familiar with them,too. |
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| 08:00.29 | rutski89_ | how can i get into my box as root if i lost the root passwd? |
| 08:00.50 | rutski89_ | it's a fresh install, and I must have miss typed the pass when i set it |
| 08:00.56 | bodhisattva | how can i stop portmap from running at boot, i took it out of the /rc2.d which im booting to and evwerything is commented out in that portmapfile which path escapes me atm |
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| 08:01.08 | quitte | Dwonis: but i'd rather use a hbci card than doing my homebanking with pin/tan. i know im too lame to check ssl certificates |
| 08:01.14 | poop | I forgot the initrd nastiness. |
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| 08:01.35 | kevix | bodhisattva, this is debian, apt-get remove portmap |
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| 08:01.42 | bodhisattva | whoowooo!!! |
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| 08:01.49 | bodhisattva | 20 pts for debian |
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| 08:02.14 | Dwonis | rutski89_: There are several ways. You can boot a live CD (e.g. Knoppix) and mount the filesystem. You can also (sometimes) pass the "init=/bin/sh" boot option to the kernel on bootup. |
| 08:02.21 | bodhisattva | cool |
| 08:02.36 | rutski89_ | Dwonis: ahh, live env it is, thanks |
| 08:02.49 | bodhisattva | i knew you could apt-get remove stuff.. just wasnt sure about the portmap thx man |
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| 08:02.58 | Dwonis | rutski89_: no problem |
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| 08:04.06 | bodhisattva | thx kevix ^ |
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| 08:04.18 | Dwonis | quitte: If you want to check SSL certs, you can try the "Petname tool" Firefox extension :) |
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| 08:05.04 | quitte | Dwonis: no. i dont want. ssl is poor mans security. |
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| 08:05.18 | bodhisattva | since im having such good luck... why is it that when i set iptables -P INPUT DROP my shell lags (ssh'ed into) |
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| 08:05.36 | bird | Dwonis:i no find as you said. |
| 08:05.37 | Dwonis | quitte: does the HBCI card have its own user interface? |
| 08:05.43 | spectral | so, ok. i updated phpbb2 recently and now i don't have the xxx_session_keys table, and there is no file in /usr/share/doc/phpbb2/schemas as the NEWS.Debian.gz tells me, anyone have the table definition? |
| 08:05.45 | bodhisattva | that one is realy annoying becuase i just dont get it |
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| 08:06.19 | quitte | Dwonis: it can be used with any card reader but it shouldn't. proper terminal with keyboard and display is the way it should be used |
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| 08:06.29 | nunez | How would I go about downloading a whole database for off line viewing? |
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| 08:07.07 | bodhisattva | just to see if im getting this... could he just make a script that uses wget ? |
| 08:07.14 | degoba | can someone please tell me how to get x window fromt eh command line |
| 08:07.15 | degoba | ? |
| 08:07.18 | dondelelcaro | nunez: if the database has an sql dump, grab it, and load it. |
| 08:07.26 | dondelelcaro | degoba: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 08:07.30 | kevix | nunez, how is it stored? |
| 08:07.40 | nunez | Its an LDAP server |
| 08:08.07 | Dwonis | quitte: yeah. Frankly, the only online banking I do involves checking my credit card balance and moving money between my own accounts that I've already registered with the bank. I don't know that I'd want stuff like wiring money to people via my PC. |
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| 08:08.22 | kevix | degoba, but that will only get a BASIC X windows only with twm. install kde or gnome for a more GUIer system. |
| 08:08.45 | Dwonis | quitte: I know that the bank's security isn't always that much better, but at least if it gets compromised, it's *their* fault. |
| 08:09.15 | quitte | Dwonis: at least here in Germany _you_ have to prove it's _their_ fault |
| 08:09.29 | Dwonis | bird; do you have the xine-ui package installed? |
| 08:09.47 | bird | no |
| 08:09.58 | quitte | Dwonis: and actually if you're man in the middle attacked and ignore the certificate changes it _is_ your fault |
| 08:10.00 | Dwonis | bird: ah. :) |
| 08:10.35 | Dwonis | quitte: Ah, but for *me*, an attacker can't make my money disappear with only that access, unless their system is broken. :) |
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| 08:11.02 | Dwonis | quitte: i.e. I basically don't do "real" Internet Banking. |
| 08:11.08 | quitte | Dwonis: so your bank only allows those few actions. good thing |
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| 08:11.22 | peigen | hi all |
| 08:11.23 | bird | Dwonis:important |
| 08:11.26 | Dwonis | quitte: Yeah. I imagine they have a system for doing more, but I haven't registered for those. |
| 08:11.44 | Dwonis | bird: I suspect you won't see that menu if you don't have xine-ui installed. |
| 08:12.03 | quitte | Dwonis: but if moving mone to any account is permitted by the bank man in the middle could use your account to account transfers |
| 08:12.50 | Dwonis | quitte: Yeah, that would be inconvenient, but not impossible to rectify, since the money can't leave accounts that I get the bank statements for. |
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| 08:13.04 | quitte | bah. all the time i've been here glibcs make install is running and it still didnt finish |
| 08:13.11 | Dwonis | quitte: though I suppose somebody could rack up a few service charges :) |
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| 08:13.48 | kevix | quitte, try the Gcc 2.95, it faster x-) |
| 08:14.05 | bird | Dwonis:maybe i need install xine-ui. |
| 08:14.11 | quitte | kevix gcc is hardly involved |
| 08:14.13 | Dwonis | kevix: but the code it produces is slower (sometimes) |
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| 08:14.42 | bouncer44 | aqnyway of installing Debian on a pc from an XP Box ? ....... XP has a dvd drive, target pc has not |
| 08:14.42 | Dwonis | bird: yeah, you could try that, though I'm curious how you're using xine without installing xine-ui. |
| 08:14.51 | kevix | quitte, OK I just saw you said 'make install' not 'make'. That is strange. |
| 08:15.26 | bird | useing xterm |
| 08:15.42 | kevix | bouncer44, take the HD out and put it in the one with the DVD. when done, swap back. |
| 08:15.53 | Dwonis | bird: right, it's just that, on my system, /usr/bin/xine comes from the xine-ui package. |
| 08:16.14 | bouncer44 | hmmm |
| 08:16.17 | quitte | Dwonis: no worries. it's part of building a debian package |
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| 08:17.01 | bird | thank you very much |
| 08:17.19 | bird | Dwonis:thank you very much |
| 08:17.27 | Dwonis | bird: no problem. I'm sorry that I couldn't be more helpful. |
| 08:18.00 | bird | enough |
| 08:18.23 | Dwonis | quitte: well, it's nearly 2:20 AM here... time sure flies when you're wasting your life away on IRC... nice chatting with you! |
| 08:19.29 | quitte | Dwonis: the same to you. |
| 08:20.01 | bird | Dwonis:my english is weak ,so please you excuse |
| 08:20.42 | poop | Your wobbling crane technique is weak. |
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| 08:21.43 | poop | Do the DOS partition rules specify only booting from primary partitions? |
| 08:22.24 | deadcat | is there a way to clear the finished jobs shown in localhost:631 ? |
| 08:22.33 | kevix | poop, you mark a partition as 'boot'. |
| 08:22.56 | poop | kevix: That doesn't seem to be enough (from the lilo manpage) |
| 08:23.07 | kevix | deadcat, I dont recall having to 'clear' any job. |
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| 08:23.38 | degoba | ok say i have just installed x window and fluxbox form the command line.. how do i get fluxbox up and going? |
| 08:23.43 | deadcat | kevix: its showing all the jobs (finished) |
| 08:23.57 | deadcat | degoba: startx /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 08:24.42 | mite` | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
| 08:24.52 | mite` | hi #debian :) |
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| 08:25.08 | SerajewelKS | mite`: wtf |
| 08:25.28 | kevix | degoba, 'man xsession' |
| 08:25.38 | SerajewelKS | !troll mite` |
| 08:25.40 | mite` | SerajewelKS, a debian user is A DEBIAN USER |
| 08:25.54 | mite` | !troll SerajewelKS |
| 08:26.13 | SerajewelKS | mite`: thank you for proving my point |
| 08:26.27 | SerajewelKS | mite`: do you have a debian-related question? |
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| 08:26.36 | degoba | lol i got tons |
| 08:26.52 | kevix | deadcat, is there a problem showing the finish jobs? it dont cause any problems. |
| 08:26.54 | mite` | SerajewelKS, no.. just debian-related answers |
| 08:26.58 | mite` | :P |
| 08:27.01 | degoba | how do i get back into the x window config menu? |
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| 08:27.13 | deadcat | kevix: i want to clear it. |
| 08:27.24 | deadcat | !drxx |
| 08:27.25 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:27.34 | poop | degoba: configure-debian |
| 08:27.38 | rutski89_ | should stuff in /var/www be owned by root or www-data? |
| 08:27.51 | kevix | rutski89_, www-data |
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| 08:28.09 | rutski89_ | hmm, i see; do you suggest any premissions? |
| 08:28.15 | rutski89_ | rwxr-wr-w? |
| 08:28.23 | deadcat | 644 755 |
| 08:28.24 | rutski89_ | **rwxr-xr-x |
| 08:28.42 | rutski89_ | 644 for what? and 755 for what? |
| 08:28.49 | deadcat | guess |
| 08:29.02 | kevix | deadcat, clearing /var/log/cups may clear it but I'm not sure. |
| 08:29.04 | rutski89_ | heh, I know about the whole octal permissions thing, but i never really got too comfortable with it |
| 08:29.37 | poop | benign trial and error? |
| 08:29.44 | deadcat | kevix: er, no. thats just weblog |
| 08:30.11 | degoba | lol i have no idea what im doing... its kinda funnny |
| 08:30.20 | deadcat | degoba: then dont |
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| 08:32.26 | snowgeese | i lost sound when i run alsa says cant find sound card what i doo? |
| 08:33.07 | stew | snowgeese: what do you mean by "run alsa" |
| 08:33.37 | stew | snowgeese: what sound card do you have? what driver are you loading? |
| 08:34.00 | deadcat | ~. |
| 08:34.05 | snowgeese | alsa scan for hardware |
| 08:34.11 | snowgeese | its cmida card |
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| 08:34.48 | elPepo | I've configured squid in debian and workd very well if the others machines (winXP) put right addresses; bu How do i configure transparent proxy? |
| 08:35.08 | kevix | deadcat, the web interface has to get its data from somewhere. my guess is the weblogs. |
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| 08:36.29 | stew | snowgeese: o |
| 08:36.31 | kevix | snowgeese, do you have isa sounds card? |
| 08:37.07 | stew | snowgeese: I've never heard of cmida, does "lspci | grep -i audio" return any results? |
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| 08:38.04 | rutski89_ | how do i check which user the apache2 process belongs to? |
| 08:38.29 | kevix | rutski89_, lsof ? fuser ? |
| 08:40.07 | ma3x | stew, hi |
| 08:40.17 | rutski89_ | yup, apache is running as www-data |
| 08:40.32 | ma3x | stew, it turned out to be a bad hard drive |
| 08:40.33 | rutski89_ | wait.. doesn't that mean that files in /var/www should be root:root, not www-data:www-data? |
| 08:40.54 | stew | ma3x: that's not a big suprise |
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| 08:41.02 | stew | ma3x: hopefully its still under warranty |
| 08:41.04 | ma3x | stew, because so often hard drives fail? |
| 08:41.17 | ma3x | stew, yes, I just bought it in July |
| 08:41.30 | kevix | rutski89_, I just checked and my /var/www is root:root |
| 08:41.36 | stew | ma3x: no becuase the problems you were having were looking to be more serious than software problems |
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| 08:41.54 | rutski89_ | kevix: yea, i think it should be kept that way |
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| 08:42.43 | ma3x | stew, a lot of users were having this problem. I've seen people complaining on forums, and no solution. Nobody thought of harddrive failure? |
| 08:43.18 | kevix | ma3x, did you check /var/log/messages for hd problems? |
| 08:43.37 | macadamia | What's the best online linux certification? Is there any free ones? |
| 08:44.07 | ma3x | kevix, yeah its full of errors: like kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on sda1 and sector problems |
| 08:44.09 | snowgeese | lspci | grep audio |
| 08:44.12 | snowgeese | nothing |
| 08:44.34 | dondelelcaro | macadamia: they're all pretty much worthless. |
| 08:44.40 | kevix | macadamia, of what value is an 'online linux cert'? |
| 08:45.07 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, yeah, windows certificate is much more appreciated |
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| 08:45.28 | ma3x | kevix, getting him a job as linux admin or something |
| 08:45.30 | stew | snowgeese: what kind of audio card do you have? is it pci? |
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| 08:45.35 | kevix | ma3x, ... by the schools making money from them. |
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| 08:45.52 | snowgeese | its pci used to work |
| 08:46.05 | ma3x | kevix, yeah, but he can't get a damn job without it |
| 08:46.11 | macadamia | ma3x not in admin. I am electronics and need linux for a job app and I don't want to do uni |
| 08:46.33 | kevix | snowgeese, what kernel module did it use before? |
| 08:46.39 | stew | snowgeese: if it's pci and doesn't show up in lspci; something is very wrong |
| 08:46.40 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: only by idiotss... |
| 08:46.54 | snowgeese | stew i know maybe it died |
| 08:47.02 | snowgeese | or slot went south |
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| 08:47.40 | ma3x | dondelelcaro,, let's say there is a job for linux admin. And you're genius, but you don't have diploma or certificate, so they won't take you for the job but some stupid idiot. |
| 08:47.44 | stew | snowgeese: lspci should show everything connected to pci regardless of whether there is support / drivers for the device |
| 08:47.53 | kevix | snowgeese, so change slots. |
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| 08:48.03 | snowgeese | il change slots |
| 08:48.09 | snowgeese | something aint right |
| 08:48.28 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: companies that pay any attention to certificates beyond the initial HR screening, where relevant experience should also work are not worth working for. |
| 08:48.38 | stew | ma3x: if you are a genius and a company would hire someone else over you becuase of a certificate, you don't want that job |
| 08:48.38 | kevix | snowgeese, i'd sniff to see if anything smells burned! |
| 08:48.38 | snowgeese | ty |
| 08:48.47 | snowgeese | il do that |
| 08:48.58 | snowgeese | burned what? card? |
| 08:49.31 | kevix | snowgeese, did you move the computer recently? maybe the board got move a bit. |
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| 08:49.40 | ma3x | stew, correct, yet sometimes you need some small jobs to earn your living |
| 08:49.41 | Azertyuuu | hey all, i read somewheer that initNG shortens the reboottime, is that true ? |
| 08:49.58 | snowgeese | have to swap video card |
| 08:49.58 | poop | This is getting old fast. Now this kernel has the via* module loaded but can't see the IDE drive. |
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| 08:50.02 | dondelelcaro | Azertyuuu: in some cases, yes. |
| 08:50.09 | snowgeese | maybe that diid it? |
| 08:50.11 | poop | I hate this initrd shit. |
| 08:50.19 | snowgeese | il try figure it out |
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| 08:50.41 | Azertyuuu | dondelelcaro: and can i use for kubuntu , and what do you mean in "some case" |
| 08:50.59 | Kinder` | dondelelcaro: lots of companies pay more attention to entreprise that have certified admin or tech (microsoft or linux) |
| 08:51.03 | dondelelcaro | Azertyuuu: 1) ask #kubuntu 2) it depends on exactly what you're starting. |
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| 08:51.31 | dondelelcaro | Kinder`: sure, but that doesn't make those companies sane places to work for. |
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| 08:52.10 | dondelelcaro | Kinder`: a place that places more emphasis on a sheet of paper than relevant job experience is insane. While working there is fine if you can't get a job elsewhere, the entire time you're working at such a shop, you should be looking for a better place of employment. |
| 08:52.34 | stew | yup |
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| 08:53.23 | rutski89_ | Should I enable ascii transfers on my ftp server, what good are they? are they necessary? |
| 08:53.36 | snowgeese | thanks |
| 08:53.37 | dondelelcaro | now, clearly they have some relevance for initial HR screening, but anyone can put anything down on a resume; if the group is good, they should be able to test you in far more depth than any certificate in a few hours of face to face, in depth interviews. |
| 08:53.44 | poop | rutski: Can you really disable them? |
| 08:54.23 | stew | i have been doing a lot of tech intervies lately, and i can say for sure tha people have no problem putting just about anything down on a resume regardless of actual knowlege |
| 08:54.36 | dondelelcaro | stew: heh. |
| 08:54.58 | stew | dondelelcaro: its been quite disappointing to tell the truth |
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| 08:55.16 | poop | I didn't pull any punches in my last interview: "I don't remember that theory crap, buddy. I just use it." |
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| 08:55.28 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, it usually is... |
| 08:55.32 | rutski89_ | poop: they're disabled by default, yes |
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| 08:56.03 | poop | rutski: ascii transfers do the line termination conversion for you |
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| 08:57.22 | deadcat | someone working on slim (simple login manager) yet? it seems like a really nice project compared to all the dm out there. |
| 08:57.45 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 08:57.53 | deadcat | is there a way to clear all my completed print jobs in localhost:631 ? |
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| 08:58.07 | rutski89_ | poop: how, wow; that's pretty important O.o, but will ascii transfers break binary files? i mean... will my server always go into ascii mode, or will it know when to dish out text and or binary? |
| 08:58.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: rm? |
| 08:58.15 | poop | xdm runs in 16k |
| 08:58.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: rm what/where ? |
| 08:58.25 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: lprm all; will do it for lprng... |
| 08:58.30 | deadcat | poop: xdm sucks. too damn ugly |
| 08:58.40 | poop | rutski: binary is the default |
| 08:58.52 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: finisshed jobs. lpq says no entries. |
| 08:59.03 | dondelelcaro | ascii transfers don't really make sense anymore. (Indeed they never really made any sense) |
| 08:59.06 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cups here. |
| 08:59.13 | ltx | hi, i'm running courier-imap-ssl, and whenever i connect to the imap server using m$ outlook i get an error about my certificate: "The server you are connected to is using a security certificate that could be verified" How do I get rid of this error / get a "verifiable" certificate? |
| 08:59.27 | rutski89_ | poop: cool, looks like i'll trun on ascii; thanks for the info |
| 08:59.28 | poop | dondel: I encounter line termination issues frequently enough. |
| 08:59.57 | kevix | dondelelcaro, deadcat want to remove 'finished' cups jobs. IIUC lprm will remove pending jobs? |
| 08:59.59 | dondelelcaro | poop: sure, but when you run into those issues, they're trivial to fix. |
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| 09:00.10 | dondelelcaro | kevix: it'll remove both types on lprng... |
| 09:00.18 | poop | dondel: Not on legacy systems |
| 09:00.26 | dondelelcaro | poop: if you've got perl they are. |
| 09:00.38 | dondelelcaro | if you don't have perl, well, hopefully you've got sed. |
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| 09:01.07 | dondelelcaro | if you don't have either, you're running windows, which doesn't really qualify as a legacy system. |
| 09:01.20 | poop | dondel: Think more systematically |
| 09:01.31 | dondelelcaro | poop: my nick is dondelelcaro, by the way. |
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| 09:01.42 | poop | I'm not typing all that. |
| 09:01.48 | dondelelcaro | poop: that's what nick completion is for. |
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| 09:02.02 | stew | dondelelcaro: the most recent interviewee claimed that he was the primary admin for a cluster that was the mailserver for 12000 end users. he said that they relied on raid, but couldn't tell me the difference between raid1 and raid5 |
| 09:02.08 | poop | Maybe, if I was a bitch(X wanker) |
| 09:02.32 | stew | dondelelcaro: right before that i got a guy that said that his primary programming language was perl but had never heard of cpan |
| 09:02.32 | dondelelcaro | stew: heh. I mean, I could understand if he couldn't tell the difference between 4 5 and 6, but 1 and 5? Damn. |
| 09:02.44 | liable | poop: you must have a shitty client if it doesnt do nick completion. |
| 09:02.55 | poop | It's possible. |
| 09:03.10 | poop | It's worked for about ~10 years though. |
| 09:03.13 | dondelelcaro | poop: what, is it mircle or something? any decent client (read irssi-text) does it. |
| 09:03.15 | stew | dondelelcaro: i am self employed, and am not hiring, this is for a client that is paying me to do tech interviews for them, thank god |
| 09:03.27 | dondelelcaro | stew: heh |
| 09:03.28 | poop | Anything else compelling me to change clients? |
| 09:03.37 | kevix | stew, maybe he had a bug problem... raid? |
| 09:04.06 | rutski89_ | is there a "kill by name" function? |
| 09:04.09 | rutski89_ | **command |
| 09:04.12 | stew | heh |
| 09:04.15 | poop | rutski: killall |
| 09:04.19 | stew | rutski89_: pkill |
| 09:04.33 | dondelelcaro | poop: it doesn't suck? uptime is better? handles multiple channels/servers sanely? deals with utf8? has scripts that work? |
| 09:05.32 | poop | I'll put it on my todo list. |
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| 09:06.08 | dondelelcaro | in any case, nowdays, any sane editor should be capable of dealing automatically with different line endings anyway. |
| 09:06.09 | poop | I wouldn't mind ssl. |
| 09:06.16 | dondelelcaro | well, it does that too... |
| 09:06.22 | poop | dondel: Sane users are the problem. |
| 09:06.27 | kevix | 寿司 anyone? |
| 09:06.45 | peigen | kevix, 好啊 |
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| 09:07.20 | kevix | peigen, I was just doing a test of utf-8. |
| 09:07.28 | dondelelcaro | poop: well, they're even more likely to screw up the ascii/binary settings anyway; plus, they use things like word, which specifies endings itself anyway |
| 09:07.32 | peigen | ok,I see |
| 09:07.51 | kevix | peigen, did I actaully say anythig? |
| 09:07.53 | poop | I saw those symbols in epic4. |
| 09:07.57 | dondelelcaro | kevix: yes. |
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| 09:08.21 | peigen | a food by japanese(pig) |
| 09:08.23 | josh__ | is anybody home? |
| 09:08.25 | dondelelcaro | kevix: älthöúgh... it may be more useful to do something like that... |
| 09:08.28 | deadcat | no |
| 09:08.33 | deadcat | no one is home |
| 09:08.34 | stew | kevix: did you send 2 characters or one? i saw a character then |
| 09:08.40 | josh__ | oh good didn't think so deadcat |
| 09:08.44 | josh__ | :) |
| 09:08.47 | deadcat | shut up |
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| 09:08.55 | peigen | stew,he send 2 characters |
| 09:08.59 | stew | kevix: a character, then "[7mO# anyone?" |
| 09:09.06 | stew | ok |
| 09:09.12 | kevix | i was typing 'sushi' using uim-anthy |
| 09:09.23 | josh__ | are you a troll deadcat? |
| 09:09.25 | peigen | i can read it |
| 09:09.45 | deadcat | josh__: what you think? |
| 09:09.47 | deadcat | are you? |
| 09:09.52 | deadcat | then dont ask |
| 09:10.00 | josh__ | yeah, i think you are. |
| 09:10.04 | kevix | peigen, sushi= pig? |
| 09:10.09 | josh__ | but i'm not sure |
| 09:10.15 | peigen | kevix, no |
| 09:10.17 | dondelelcaro | josh__, deadcat: take it elsewhere, please... |
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| 09:10.39 | peigen | kevix, sushi is a kind of food by japanese |
| 09:10.47 | josh__ | so, hi everybody, my question is this: how does ubuntu differ from debian? |
| 09:11.04 | kevix | peigen, yes, I know. but you said I typed 'pig'? |
| 09:11.05 | peigen | kevix,i mean japanese===pig |
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| 09:11.06 | deadcat | kevix: sushi is raw fish+rice |
| 09:11.07 | josh__ | is there a link I can read about the differences? |
| 09:11.10 | dondelelcaro | josh__: depends on what day we're talking about; that question isn't answerable trivially. |
| 09:11.18 | poop | josh: Frequent releases, no root, gnome looks a bit more polished to me |
| 09:11.25 | josh__ | no root?! |
| 09:11.31 | poop | sudo, baby |
| 09:11.33 | det | deadcat, sushi doesnt neccesarily include raw fish |
| 09:11.54 | deadcat | det: i like those (=. i cant stand the raw seafood |
| 09:11.59 | josh__ | i'm just wondering why ubuntu has so much buzz ... |
| 09:12.10 | dondelelcaro | josh__: ask #ubuntu then; it's off topic here. |
| 09:12.12 | josh__ | when it looks like 99% debian to me |
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| 09:12.13 | deadcat | josh__: because people like you |
| 09:12.23 | det | deadcat, I love raw fish :-) |
| 09:12.23 | benjamindees | does anybody actually use debootstrap (on stable) ? |
| 09:12.24 | kevix | josh__, could it be the billionaire who is behind it... |
| 09:12.30 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: yes; what's the question? |
| 09:12.31 | poop | debian might be off-topic in #ubuntu |
| 09:12.37 | deadcat | det: nasty (=.. |
| 09:12.44 | dondelelcaro | mmm... sashimi |
| 09:12.46 | deadcat | poop: ya. but this is #debian (= |
| 09:12.49 | det | deadcat, but basicly, sushi is vinegared (sticky) rice combined with other food |
| 09:12.52 | josh__ | i figure old debheads would know the differences better than the ubuntu folk |
| 09:12.56 | det | deadcat, raw fish is sashimi |
| 09:13.03 | deadcat | o |
| 09:13.10 | deadcat | hehe. i cant stand those then |
| 09:13.12 | josh__ | kevix, who is this billionaire? |
| 09:13.19 | dondelelcaro | josh__: mark shuttleworth |
| 09:13.29 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, I keep getting "couldn't download <package>" errors, installing SID, and it seems the package names are outdated |
| 09:13.33 | peigen | sashimi just like butter |
| 09:13.40 | deadcat | i like the spider roll. or the crab roll |
| 09:14.01 | poop | I like a plain roll. |
| 09:14.03 | peigen | just a fixing |
| 09:14.11 | det | deadcat, ever try ahi tuna? |
| 09:14.20 | stew | josh__: among other things, ubuntu focuses on delivering a fancy gnome desktop and is willing to distribute software the debian considers non-free |
| 09:14.23 | kapil | benjamindees: i think you need to first install a recent version of debootstrap before trying to use it to install sid. |
| 09:14.25 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: oh, you probably won't be able to debootstrap sid using sarge's debootstrap directly; you may try it using debootstrap --resolve-deps ... |
| 09:14.26 | kevix | deadcat, I prefer softshell crab tempura as opposed to a spider roll. |
| 09:14.32 | det | deadcat, get a sushi roll with ahi tuna and avacado :-) |
| 09:14.36 | deadcat | det: nope. but the eel with rice is good though |
| 09:14.42 | josh__ | thanks stew |
| 09:14.53 | det | deadcat, unagi (freshwater eel) is excellent! |
| 09:14.53 | josh__ | and donde, i just read about mark - he created Thawte! |
| 09:15.04 | dondelelcaro | josh__: yes. |
| 09:15.12 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, no such option :( |
| 09:15.15 | josh__ | he was also a space tourist. cool guy. |
| 09:15.42 | benjamindees | kapil, yeah, I'm thinking that too, just seems kind of worthless |
| 09:15.48 | josh__ | is there any resentment in the debian community with ubuntu? |
| 09:15.51 | kevix | josh__, the coolest thing is that you can order free cd's (I just got a box of 50 - x86,ppc,amd64) |
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| 09:16.10 | josh__ | yeah, that's pretty amazing. and he's paying for it himself? |
| 09:16.12 | deadcat | kevix: what you try to bankrupt them? |
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| 09:16.17 | poop | josh: I'm just a long-time debian user, but I don't resent it |
| 09:16.27 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: you may try cdebootstrap as well; it may work slightly better. |
| 09:16.28 | kevix | josh__, there was a lot in the beginning.... its a bit less now as folks are cooperating more. |
| 09:16.37 | det | josh__, I am a long time debian user turned ubuntu |
| 09:16.41 | poop | josh: I cheered on Progeny because it had a slick installer when debian's inspired nightmares. |
| 09:16.43 | kapil | benjamindees: worthless? in what way? i just (yesterday) installed etch (testing) using it. |
| 09:16.55 | det | josh__, I just joined to ask dpkg to find a file for me! :-) |
| 09:16.58 | josh__ | so what made you switch, det |
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| 09:17.08 | poop | These debian derivates seem to come and go while debian remains. |
| 09:17.15 | deadcat | i only use debian because of the name. whats this apt shit you guys talking about? |
| 09:17.16 | josh__ | yeah, poop, i've noticed |
| 09:17.17 | det | josh__, the concept of "everything just works" |
| 09:17.19 | poop | derivatives |
| 09:17.25 | kevix | josh__, when your a billionaire, whats a few cd... |
| 09:17.47 | josh__ | yeah, he could be doing worse things with his money kevix |
| 09:18.03 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: the problem is that sid keeps changing, and debootstrap uses a static list of files, so it won't always be able to install sid. |
| 09:18.06 | josh__ | so ubu is easier to use than debian, det? |
| 09:18.15 | deadcat | det: do use the word concept loosely... everything just works my ass |
| 09:18.37 | deadcat | josh__: shutup and go to distrowatch.com |
| 09:18.42 | dondelelcaro | folks, please take the ubuntu discussion elsewhere. This is not #ubuntu. |
| 09:18.53 | kevix | dondelelcaro, how is this static lists updated for debootstrap? |
| 09:19.01 | det | deadcat, What do you mean? |
| 09:19.04 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: the guy is a troll. telling you. |
| 09:19.17 | josh__ | gimme a break - my question relates to both distros donde. |
| 09:19.31 | dondelelcaro | kevix: it's in debootstrap gets a new release from time to time, see /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sid |
| 09:19.36 | deadcat | det: lets just say alot fo shits didnt work on my friends' computers |
| 09:19.39 | koshnaranek | deadcats never lie |
| 09:20.16 | deadcat | josh__: no your trolling. later you gonna go to #slackware and do the same.. i've seen you in many distro channels. |
| 09:20.21 | det | deadcat, What I am talking about is more than just hardware detection (which was excellent in my case) |
| 09:20.22 | josh__ | det, did you find ubuntu easier to use than debian? |
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| 09:20.51 | azeem | dondelelcaro: debootstrap figues the packages out dynamically since recently, based on their priority |
| 09:21.03 | dondelelcaro | azeem: right; but that's post sarge, isn't it? |
| 09:21.05 | benjamindees | heh |
| 09:21.17 | det | josh__, I'd say that by default it is a nicer configuration, less tinkering, and I like the 6mo cycles |
| 09:21.22 | kevix | dondelelcaro, wierd! there are listing for ubuntu in debootstrap. |
| 09:21.31 | dondelelcaro | kevix: yes, there are. |
| 09:21.36 | azeem | right |
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| 09:21.56 | dondelelcaro | azeem: yeah; was talking about why sarge's debootstrap won't necessarily install sid. |
| 09:22.09 | det | josh__, I also like the goal oriented development model |
| 09:22.28 | deadcat | det: we dont care. can you guys /join #ubuntu please |
| 09:22.29 | azeem | dondelelcaro: sorry then, couldn't be bothered to read all the scrollback and saw only the sid script mentioned |
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| 09:23.15 | dondelelcaro | azeem: no worries; I couldn't remember if that had been done, because I switched to cdebootstrap when it broke in sid... good to know that it's been fixed properly, though. |
| 09:23.17 | poop | ugh, this kernel image saw hda off the via controller, now the module is loaded (from initrd) and it does not |
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| 09:24.09 | det | deadcat, You certainly could have put it nicer than "we dont care". Besides, I am contrasting Debian to Ubuntu, this is very on-topic. |
| 09:24.26 | azeem | det: this is a technical support channel, mostly |
| 09:24.28 | deadcat | det: nope. thats the best i can do. |
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| 09:24.42 | azeem | distribution discussions are not a priori on-topic, rather the opposite |
| 09:24.52 | benjamindees | det, you should notice your chat partner isn't with us anymore |
| 09:24.58 | det | azeem, really, where can I find this channel-mission-statement? |
| 09:25.04 | dondelelcaro | det: see /topic |
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| 09:26.11 | det | dondelelcaro, I think you are blindly being rude to anyone who utters "Ubuntu" when the topic is meant to mean that Ubuntu users shouldn't seek technical help here. |
| 09:26.42 | azeem | det: see above |
| 09:26.45 | deadcat | whats wrong with this? ?--------- 768 root root 0 Sep 16 1914 /usr/lib/nptl |
| 09:26.59 | dondelelcaro | det: the topic is meant to curtail useless discussions about the relative merits and demerits of various distributions; this channel isn't here to do that. It's here to support Debian. Nothing more. |
| 09:27.07 | dondelelcaro | det: hopefully that's clear now. |
| 09:27.09 | deadcat | i cant rm the file. i know my system is pretty fucked up. is this a hd problem or what? |
| 09:27.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: what does stat report for that file? |
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| 09:27.28 | det | dondelelcaro, I would love to see this in print somewhere. |
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| 09:27.51 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; consider it spoken ex cathedra. |
| 09:27.59 | benjamindees | deadcat, is that even Debian? |
| 09:28.01 | SJr|Tecra | Anyone know a good guide on how to get two different video cards to be setup with X. I looked at the Gentoo WiKi article but after adding two screens, devices, monitors, and altering screen layout. Only one screen comes on. Ironically it is the opposite screen that the console is on. |
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| 09:28.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: Access: (0000/?---------) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 09:28.25 | dondelelcaro | SJr|Tecra: can you give us your xorg.conf and the output of running X? Use the paster bot to do so |
| 09:28.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: uh... yeah, that should be a directory... something is very hideously wrong with that filesystem. |
| 09:28.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: Size: 0 Blocks: 4294967295 IO Block: 4096 weird file |
| 09:28.49 | dondelelcaro | that's pretty cool. |
| 09:28.49 | SJr|Tecra | how can I get the output of running X? startx >> file.cat |
| 09:28.52 | deadcat | ^^ i am not makint this up (= |
| 09:28.53 | azeem | deadcat: umount and run e2fsck |
| 09:29.12 | azeem | SJr|Tecra: /var/log/X*.log |
| 09:29.42 | deadcat | azeem: can i remount ro my / and e2fsck? |
| 09:29.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: go to init 1; and remount then fsck. |
| 09:30.03 | deadcat | k |
| 09:30.46 | kevix | SJr|Tecra, sometimes 'X -configure' may detect them. (do this when X is not running) |
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| 09:31.04 | SJr|Tecra | yeah |
| 09:31.07 | SJr|Tecra | I tried that, to no luck |
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| 09:31.20 | tuomas_ | where does the initrd.img go when doing mkinitrd -o initrd.img 2.6.14.3 |
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| 09:31.37 | tuomas_ | i tried to search /tmp also but no success |
| 09:31.39 | dondelelcaro | tuomas_: $(pwd) |
| 09:31.46 | josh__ | donde - where can i complain about that unnecessary ban? |
| 09:31.47 | tuomas_ | dondelelcaro: it didnt |
| 09:31.48 | kevix | tuomas_, /initrd.img ? |
| 09:32.06 | tuomas_ | kevix: nope |
| 09:32.06 | dondelelcaro | tuomas_: well, that's where it's supposed to put it. |
| 09:32.10 | josh__ | is debian-user the appropriate place? |
| 09:32.20 | benjamindees | josh__, in #ubuntu |
| 09:32.40 | kevix | tuomas_, I have /boot/initrd.img linked to /initrd.img |
| 09:32.42 | SJr|Tecra | okay |
| 09:32.46 | dondelelcaro | josh__: you were silenced because you continued on a topic that is off topic after being asked nicely to stop; if you wish to complain, I'm the person to complain to. |
| 09:32.54 | tuomas_ | dondelelcaro: someone told me once that it doesent appear sometimes and it have to be copied ffrom the temp dir. couldt find the temp dir either |
| 09:32.59 | SJr|Tecra | dondelelcaro www.pastebin.com/458167 |
| 09:33.06 | dondelelcaro | tuomas_: hrm... well, it should always appear... |
| 09:33.15 | dondelelcaro | tuomas_: if it doesn't it usually means that it wasn't created properly |
| 09:33.36 | tuomas_ | dondelelcaro: i did mkinitrd -o initrd.img 2.6.14.3 |
| 09:33.37 | josh__ | what is your email address? what is your position within the debian group? |
| 09:33.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:33.41 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 09:33.48 | josh__ | from whom do you derive your authority here? |
| 09:33.50 | SJr|Tecra | dondelelcaro I also incluide lspci output there |
| 09:34.10 | azeem | josh__: he is one of the channel operators, therefore he has the authority |
| 09:34.13 | WireDDD | SJr|Tecra, you need the bus id for you other video card |
| 09:34.21 | josh__ | i am annoyed because I wanted to ask det a question about debian's development model |
| 09:34.32 | azeem | josh__: which is off-topic here |
| 09:34.34 | josh__ | now i will not have that chance |
| 09:34.39 | azeem | josh__: feel free to ask him in private |
| 09:34.40 | SJr|Tecra | WireDDD which is what? |
| 09:34.46 | SJr|Tecra | 00:0a.0 |
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| 09:34.48 | SJr|Tecra | ? |
| 09:34.49 | deadcat | no you dont. you just want to whine |
| 09:34.50 | azeem | josh__: det ist still logged in |
| 09:35.07 | josh__ | i am not familiar with irc - i do not know how to talk ot him privately or even find him |
| 09:35.13 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.15 | tuomas_ | dondelelcaro: and where should i run that command cos i just compiled a new kernel and now i need the initrd.img for it? |
| 09:35.19 | kevix | josh__, checkout http://debian.home.pipeline.com I have a diagram of it. |
| 09:35.43 | azeem | josh__: you need to register your nicht first, though, see /msg nickserv help register |
| 09:35.58 | WireDDD | SJr|Tecra, yes |
| 09:35.59 | josh__ | donde: I still want to know from whom you derive your authority. I believe you have misused it. debian-user? debian-project? |
| 09:36.02 | SJr|Tecra | I tried adding |
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| 09:36.12 | SJr|Tecra | BusID "PCI:0:a:0" and that didn't help |
| 09:36.23 | M_Cheevy | grrrrr! I've installed a debootstrap sarge. downloaded latest the kernel-source from main, compiled it, installed it, then used aptitude to install grub, went to start setting it up and none of the damn /boot/grub stage files got installed, wtf??! can't find anything but doc files with a 'find /usr grub' any pointers? |
| 09:36.30 | WireDDD | although old s3 cards have issues when it comes to muli monitors |
| 09:36.35 | azeem | josh__: debian-project would be appropriate if it really was misuse |
| 09:36.45 | josh__ | thank you azeem |
| 09:36.46 | SJr|Tecra | WireDDD but my console works fine on it |
| 09:36.57 | WireDDD | SJr|Tecra, try having you bios init pci first |
| 09:37.00 | SJr|Tecra | I did |
| 09:37.05 | SJr|Tecra | but my X was configured for my GeForce |
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| 09:37.06 | azeem | josh__: be advised that you will probably not get many people agreeing with you |
| 09:37.08 | kevix | M_Cheevy, dodumentation is in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 09:37.09 | PerfDave | The #debian IRC channel doesn't really have anything to do with the Debian Project in terms of oversight or authority. |
| 09:37.11 | SJr|Tecra | with bios init pci first |
| 09:37.18 | SJr|Tecra | the console shows up on the S3 |
| 09:37.20 | WireDDD | then try it the other way |
| 09:37.22 | josh__ | when this channel is listed on the "debian support" web page, it doesn't mention that one will be treated with utmost disrespect. |
| 09:37.23 | SJr|Tecra | I did |
| 09:37.28 | SJr|Tecra | but X is configured for Nvidia |
| 09:37.35 | SJr|Tecra | I'm sure I can reconfigure X for s3 and it will work on there |
| 09:37.36 | M_Cheevy | kevix: it refers me to a non-existant INSTALL file |
| 09:37.37 | azeem | PerfDave: this not really true |
| 09:37.42 | PerfDave | josh__: We like to keep that as a pleasant surprise. |
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| 09:37.52 | deadcat | josh__: ya because you ahve to earn respect first. |
| 09:37.54 | DevilChaos | eh oh |
| 09:38.04 | M_Cheevy | kevix: the README says to read the INSTALL file, which doesn't exist |
| 09:38.06 | PerfDave | azeem: No, it is true. Every now and again a bunch of Debian people come along, get all shitty and ban all the regulars for no reason, then they get bored and fuck off again and things return to usual :) |
| 09:38.07 | dondelelcaro | josh__: in any case, if you have an issue, please bring it up there. Continuing this discussion here will result in a more permanent silencing. |
| 09:38.13 | WireDDD | did you try a different slot for your s3 card? |
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| 09:38.14 | azeem | deadcat: no, we respect people who come here a priori |
| 09:38.26 | kevix | M_Cheevy, sounds like a bug report is in order! |
| 09:38.39 | M_Cheevy | kevix: no sh*t sherlock... but in the meantime....? |
| 09:38.43 | azeem | PerfDave: that doesn't mean other Debian people are not here, cf. dondelelcaro e.g. |
| 09:38.54 | dondelelcaro | tuomas_: if you're compiling your own kernel, you shouldn't need an initrd. |
| 09:39.06 | deadcat | M_Cheevy: hahah. |
| 09:39.14 | josh__ | there is no discussion here, donde. I asked you where to complain, and you did not respond except with more threats of banning. This transcript will go to debian-project. Goodbye. |
| 09:39.16 | PerfDave | azeem: Ther are Debian Developers here, sure, but they're not representing the Debian Project in any formal manner. |
| 09:39.17 | dondelelcaro | tuomas_: the only reason for one is if you don't have the modules you need to mount / built into your kernel (or are doing other wierd stuff) |
| 09:39.19 | kevix | M_Cheevy, well i"d look for a page for grub info. grub is not debian specific. google is your friend. |
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| 09:39.27 | M_Cheevy | deadcat: never heard that expresion before? |
| 09:39.27 | DevilChaos | anyone know where the trash icon is kept so i can change it to custom? |
| 09:39.35 | tarzeau | DevilChaos: which? |
| 09:39.40 | deadcat | M_Cheevy: ya. but its just funny (= everytime. |
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| 09:39.50 | M_Cheevy | kevix: have gone through the info file and it appears to make the assumption that everything installed fine. |
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| 09:39.58 | DevilChaos | wastebasket |
| 09:40.07 | tuomas_ | dondelelcaro: but theres a line in grub which wants an initrd.img. i did make modules;make modules_install |
| 09:40.13 | dondelelcaro | tuomas_: right, just remove that line. |
| 09:40.30 | dondelelcaro | tuomas_: or add it specifically to the kernels that are still using an initrd. |
| 09:40.39 | kevix | M_Cheevy, have you used grub before? |
| 09:40.48 | M_Cheevy | kevix: yes, but not on this install |
| 09:40.58 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: we represent the project almost always; especially when we're on a medium such as this. |
| 09:41.09 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, it's not like my nick isn't in db.debian.org) |
| 09:41.10 | kevix | M_Cheevy, I'd copy an existing one, and modify from there. |
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| 09:41.28 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but not in a formal way. Only in the way that any DD represents the Project when speaking on Debian matters. |
| 09:41.29 | DevilChaos | tarzeau:? |
| 09:41.35 | M_Cheevy | Kevix: wish I had one |
| 09:41.49 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: sure, but it's about as formal as you're going to see anyone representing the project on IRC. |
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| 09:42.13 | GenyC | What is the countre |
| 09:42.16 | GenyC | ? |
| 09:42.20 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, there is no *SCEPTER OF THE DPL GOD HEAD* to wield or anything) |
| 09:42.28 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Which is my point, and why a number of regulars have left #debian :) |
| 09:42.31 | WireDDD | SJr|Tecra, also use the s3virge driver |
| 09:42.57 | deadcat | PerfDave: maybe they just too busy work work? (= |
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| 09:43.00 | tarzeau | DevilChaos: what trash icon are you talking about? |
| 09:43.07 | M_Cheevy | PerfDave: having been irc'ing in one form or another since 87 I can tell you there is always a rollover of channel regulars over time |
| 09:43.10 | PerfDave | deadcat: No, they're still on IRC, just not on #debian :) |
| 09:43.11 | tarzeau | DevilChaos: do you mean gnome or kde, maybe? |
| 09:43.12 | deadcat | PerfDave: or they dead? |
| 09:43.21 | DevilChaos | oh sorry |
| 09:43.24 | DevilChaos | gnome |
| 09:43.28 | benjamindees | PerfDave, you think #debian is too unofficial? |
| 09:43.31 | tarzeau | DevilChaos: aha |
| 09:43.32 | PerfDave | M_Cheevy: Yes, however this is a specific issue over which a number of people have left this channel. |
| 09:43.46 | PerfDave | benjamindees: No, quite the opposite. |
| 09:43.52 | dondelelcaro | SJr|Tecra: you may also need to specify the PCIID for the secondary card. |
| 09:43.54 | M_Cheevy | Perf: it happens... |
| 09:43.55 | deadcat | oh you mean like mwilson? (= |
| 09:43.56 | kevix | M_Cheevy, I googled: http://grub.enbug.org/Debian |
| 09:44.06 | streuner | benjamindees: #debian is official |
| 09:44.10 | PerfDave | deadcat: No, mwilson got banned for being an ass, and it was long overdue. |
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| 09:44.18 | GenyC | Peoples! Where am I? |
| 09:44.18 | WireDDD | dondelelcaro, his lspci output is at the bottom, take a look at it |
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| 09:44.25 | deadcat | PerfDave: hahah. i missed it. |
| 09:44.26 | tarzeau | streuner: no it's not |
| 09:44.29 | dondelelcaro | WireDDD: yeah, I saw it. |
| 09:44.32 | tarzeau | streuner: on the wiki.d.o they state it's not |
| 09:44.33 | streuner | benjamindees: irc.debian.org points to (indirect) to this channel... |
| 09:44.38 | kevix | GenyC, on the intraweb? |
| 09:44.40 | tarzeau | streuner: that doesn't make it official |
| 09:44.43 | deadcat | PerfDave: please tell you you have a log (= |
| 09:44.50 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Is wiki.d.o official? ;) |
| 09:44.52 | WireDDD | PCI:0:a:0 won't work will it? |
| 09:44.53 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: yes |
| 09:44.55 | Guerin | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DebianAndPoundDebian is the word of a former DPL on this matter |
| 09:44.56 | tarzeau | PerfDave: yes since it is debian.org |
| 09:45.02 | M_Cheevy | Kevix: doesn't explain what to do when doing that fails to create the /boot/grub stage files |
| 09:45.07 | tarzeau | PerfDave: and what Guerin says |
| 09:45.11 | dondelelcaro | WireDDD: it should be PCI:0:10:0 iirc. |
| 09:45.11 | streuner | tarzeau: all decions are made of leaders from debian.org |
| 09:45.13 | PerfDave | Yay, the Debian Project in "ass/elbow" shocker *g* |
| 09:45.40 | tarzeau | streuner: and where do they say irc.debian.org and #debian is official? |
| 09:45.41 | GenyC | kevix, internet Moscow |
| 09:45.49 | GenyC | kevix, centel |
| 09:45.50 | dondelelcaro | (or A)... can never remember which is in hex and which is in decimal |
| 09:45.50 | WireDDD | thats one of his usb controlers though |
| 09:46.14 | dondelelcaro | WireDDD: that's 17. |
| 09:46.17 | dondelelcaro | s/17/16/ |
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| 09:46.23 | WireDDD | ok |
| 09:46.27 | PerfDave | All I think is that the Debian Project needs to decide what its approach to #debian is, and draw up a formal policy on the channel, even if that formal policy says "we're not touching it with a bargepole". It'll stop random DDs coming in here, getting ops, and imposing arbitrary rules and banning helpful people on a whim before fucking off ino the ether again. |
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| 09:46.28 | kevix | M_Cheevy, I dont recall you saying that... if lilo has a prob, I just rerun 'lilo'. for grub, IIRC, its update-grub |
| 09:46.33 | dondelelcaro | WireDDD: # |
| 09:46.34 | dondelelcaro | (--) PCI:*(0:10:0) S3 Inc. 86c325 [ViRGE] rev 6, Mem @ 0xe0000000/26 |
| 09:46.38 | WireDDD | so lspci is 2 digit hex |
| 09:46.45 | WireDDD | for the middle value |
| 09:46.47 | deadcat | PerfDave: wheres the log on mwilson being banned? |
| 09:46.54 | streuner | tarzeau: that's totally unrelevant, point is if somebody thinking of #debian - THAT is a debian channel... |
| 09:47.09 | M_Cheevy | kevix: got to be real careful as using dmraid and because of /dev/mapper stuff gotta hand install grub |
| 09:47.10 | SJr|Tecra | Ah got it |
| 09:47.11 | PerfDave | deadcat: I don't have it, I was not on #debian at the time because I didn't want the hassle I outlined above :) |
| 09:47.13 | tarzeau | streuner: it is one, yes. there's plenty #debian channels across irc networks |
| 09:47.15 | benjamindees | PerfDave, #debian exists for the benefit of Debian; extolling the virtues of other distros is not in Debian's interests |
| 09:47.15 | SJr|Tecra | Hmmmmmm |
| 09:47.17 | SJr|Tecra | Okay next question |
| 09:47.29 | PerfDave | benjamindees: Who the fuck said anything about other distros? |
| 09:47.31 | streuner | tarzeau: sure, which is a good thing |
| 09:47.41 | tarzeau | streuner: but it is not THE one, the official. |
| 09:47.42 | benjamindees | PerfDave, the person who started all of this |
| 09:47.48 | M_Cheevy | er... hand install grub onto the boot sector of the partition |
| 09:47.50 | WireDDD | SJr|Tecra, go for it |
| 09:47.52 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: no random DDs have ever had ops in here, actually. |
| 09:47.54 | PerfDave | benjamindees: "all of this" has been going on for a long time now :) |
| 09:47.56 | SJr|Tecra | lol |
| 09:47.58 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: so you're kind of mistaken on that count... |
| 09:48.01 | Guerin | so it seems to me like either the debian project has control over the channel, in which case it should be supported, and the statement in the above page is false; or it doesn't, in which case the statement is true, and in which case the debian project leadership should butt out, and leave the management of the channel to the existing authorities, who in many cases are debian developers, though this is coincidental |
| 09:48.03 | SJr|Tecra | tuxracer crashed my system :) |
| 09:48.06 | kevix | M_Cheevy, ok. raid, never touched it. ask some here who knows grub and raid. x-) |
| 09:48.09 | SJr|Tecra | Sorry I'm just playing with this for a second. |
| 09:48.20 | benjamindees | PerfDave, believe me, I know ;) |
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| 09:48.48 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Really? Then they were just non-regulars who still have Chanserv access for legacy purposes. |
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| 09:49.07 | dondelelcaro | and as far as the leadership goes, most of it was just a question of whether they should get more invovled; and the suggestion was that more developers who were interested get involved in the day to day running of the channel. most of the people who you've seen are them. |
| 09:49.11 | M_Cheevy | kevix: take it on faith I've been googlin' my butt off and have read READMEs till my eyes have gone rectangular... this was a major unexpected burp.. I'll get around it somehow... |
| 09:49.25 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Most of the people we've seen were power-crazy wankers :) |
| 09:49.32 | PerfDave | benjamindees: Anyway, the "not supporting non-Debian distros" is a commonly-accepted rule that's been decided by the channel, I don't think it is a formal policy or that there is any formal policy. |
| 09:49.33 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: *shrug* |
| 09:50.14 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: I'd have to see exactly what you're talking about... almost all of the bans are from the 8 or so ops who commonly put in bans. |
| 09:50.30 | PerfDave | Yeah, random strangers making #debian a worse place by driving out some of its more helpful members is just a *shrug* :) |
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| 09:51.08 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: considering the fact that I still don't know exactly what you're talking about, it can't be anything more than that. Give me timestamps with timezones. |
| 09:51.20 | dondelelcaro | otherwise... it's just vague conjecture. |
| 09:51.34 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I wasn't on channel at the time, I didn't want to get caught up in the same shitstorm. |
| 09:51.51 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: so it's just hearsay then... |
| 09:52.00 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yeah, straight from the horse's mouth is hearsay :) |
| 09:52.18 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I'd think you would know. Clearly you weren't paying enough attention ;) |
| 09:52.41 | Guerin | benjamindees: nope. |
| 09:52.54 | PerfDave | benjamindees: No, the only thing I care about mwilson being banned is that it didn't happen two years ago ;) |
| 09:52.54 | SJr|Tecra | WireDDD how can I get my displays to share windows |
| 09:52.57 | SJr|Tecra | like on windows. |
| 09:52.58 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: well, you weren't in the channel, I was; I don't understand what you're talking about. You don't have timestamps with timezones. What should I do? |
| 09:52.59 | deadcat | this only patch debian source or kernel.org as well? kernel-patch-debianlogo |
| 09:53.09 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Read your logs? :) |
| 09:53.24 | WireDDD | SJr|Tecra, Xinerama |
| 09:53.27 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: 484M debian |
| 09:53.36 | deadcat | i just want to see the log on how his ass got banned (= |
| 09:53.36 | SJr|Tecra | WireDDD the only debian package I can find is libxinerama |
| 09:53.39 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: mind you, most of those are *compressed*. |
| 09:53.42 | SJr|Tecra | but after I install it |
| 09:53.43 | SJr|Tecra | it seems |
| 09:53.45 | SJr|Tecra | to be thats it. |
| 09:54.00 | WireDDD | add the following under serverlayout |
| 09:54.07 | WireDDD | Option"Xinerama" "true" |
| 09:54.30 | kevix | SJr|Tecra, you enable it by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:54.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I'd guess that it only has the logo.16 or whatever it is that generates the cheeky penguin for fbdev kernels. |
| 09:54.42 | azeem | PerfDave: really, you should spice up your accusations with some facts |
| 09:55.12 | kevix | !whereis mwilson |
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| 09:55.47 | tarzeau | !seen mhall |
| 09:55.47 | dpkg | mhall <n=mhall@uop-10-179.pacific.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 9h 1m 11s ago, saying: 'exit'. |
| 09:55.53 | tarzeau | !seen mwilson |
| 09:55.54 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 53d 12h 49m 30s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 09:55.57 | tarzeau | !seen greycat |
| 09:55.58 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 10d 16h 26m 58s ago, saying: 'yuck. UTF-8.'. |
| 09:56.04 | blondie | !seen spam |
| 09:56.04 | dpkg | spam <n=AngelySp@dsl-201-129-65-10.prod-infinitum.com.mx> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 30d 7h 49m 8s ago, saying: '/join #Sex_Fiere'. |
| 09:56.07 | blondie | haha |
| 09:56.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. i've done the patch on a 2.4 before. but that was using a debian source. |
| 09:56.26 | streuner | !seen asg |
| 09:56.26 | dpkg | asg is currently on #debian-bots (3d 20h 36m 50s) |
| 09:56.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, it should apply to either, since I think it's just a couple of files that go into logo or whatever it is |
| 09:56.55 | deadcat | k |
| 09:58.00 | SJr|Tecra | kevix I tried that |
| 09:58.07 | SJr|Tecra | but now the monitors just have the same thing on them |
| 09:58.21 | SJr|Tecra | there one virtual screen |
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| 09:58.27 | SJr|Tecra | but I don't have any more realistate. |
| 09:58.36 | WireDDD | SJr|Tecra, did you try what I told you to do? |
| 09:58.50 | SJr|Tecra | I tried |
| 09:58.53 | WireDDD | Option"Xinerama" "true" |
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| 09:58.55 | SJr|Tecra | "on" as per the gentoo wiki |
| 09:58.55 | WireDDD | ? |
| 09:58.58 | SJr|Tecra | lemme see |
| 09:59.06 | kevix | SJr|Tecra, could you post xorg.conf to #flood ? |
| 09:59.24 | dondelelcaro | ugh. no to #flood, yes to channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:59.55 | kevix | dondelelcaro, did #flood get banned? |
| 10:00.10 | SJr|Tecra | Oh |
| 10:00.11 | SJr|Tecra | I'm a tard |
| 10:00.23 | dondelelcaro | kevix: no, it'll just take forever |
| 10:00.42 | SJr|Tecra | Duh |
| 10:00.43 | SJr|Tecra | I had |
| 10:00.48 | SJr|Tecra | in ScreenLayouts |
| 10:00.49 | idis | dondelelcaro: howbout fixing topic with #flood ? |
| 10:00.58 | SJr|Tecra | "Default Screen" RightOf "Default Screen |
| 10:01.01 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmmm |
| 10:01.02 | dondelelcaro | idis: what about it? |
| 10:01.05 | WireDDD | yeah it has to be in serverlayout |
| 10:01.20 | WireDDD | oh lol |
| 10:01.21 | dondelelcaro | idis: "For large amounts of text, consider a paste site..." |
| 10:01.38 | idis | dondelelcaro: whoops |
| 10:01.59 | idis | dondelelcaro: wel, still read USE: #flood |
| 10:02.03 | kevix | dondelelcaro, most folks paste maybe 10 lines. how is that large? |
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| 10:02.53 | dondelelcaro | kevix: nothing wrong with that; we're just talkinga bout a whole xorg.conf... |
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| 10:03.19 | dondelelcaro | (which last time I checked was at least one order of magnitude bigger than 10 lines) |
| 10:03.24 | WireDDD | 150 lines isn't too bad... |
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| 10:04.09 | sciboy | Hey guys, my little brothers computer isn't working too well, when it starts up and the bios tests the memory, it makes a constantly repeating beeping noise and the keyboard is not responding. |
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| 10:04.40 | sciboy | I'm checking the keyboard plug etc on the motherboard, but there is another thing, he recently got new speakers. |
| 10:04.43 | Guerin | sciboy: google the bios beep codes |
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| 10:04.49 | dondelelcaro | sciboy: do you actually see the post? |
| 10:04.52 | sciboy | And he put the subwoofer right on top of the bloody computer! |
| 10:04.56 | Guerin | speakers should be irrelevant here |
| 10:05.14 | sciboy | Speaker = Magnet. |
| 10:05.22 | dondelelcaro | sciboy: it's not that strong of a magnet. |
| 10:05.30 | WireDDD | pull out and then reinstall the video card and then the memory |
| 10:05.31 | dondelelcaro | at least, not the speakers you'd own |
| 10:05.47 | sciboy | WireDDD: It isn't the video card, i'm very sure about that. |
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| 10:05.52 | lo- | i get "You don't have permission to access / on this server." when trying to access my apache sites any idea? |
| 10:05.53 | SJr|Tecra | Okay |
| 10:06.02 | WireDDD | well did you try reseating the memory |
| 10:06.04 | SJr|Tecra | Why when I'm root can I resize my displays |
| 10:06.09 | SJr|Tecra | But right now |
| 10:06.12 | bizkit | when i use adsl-qos and give e.g. a ssh port low prio, will this also effect data transfered using sftp? (since the actual port is other than the real port for this ssh service) |
| 10:06.17 | SJr|Tecra | as a regular user it says I need to instal RANDR |
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| 10:06.46 | bizkit | like with ftp and ftp-data |
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| 10:06.54 | dondelelcaro | bizkit: you generally want ssh to have a high priority, actually... but scp sets its QoS fields appropriately, so you can trigger on them if youw ant. |
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| 10:06.58 | sciboy | WireDDD: After i get through that maze of cables i will, but also to take note that the memory passes the bios's test on startup. |
| 10:06.59 | WireDDD | why do you want to resize your displays when you aren't root? |
| 10:07.10 | kevix | SJr|Tecra, I use gnome, and it has a utility to resize the screen |
| 10:07.39 | sciboy | WireDDD: I think the fact that the keyboard isn't responding is my best lead at the moment. |
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| 10:08.10 | kevix | sciboy, when did the computer work last? |
| 10:08.15 | WireDDD | well why don't you try out this keyboard in his computer |
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| 10:08.24 | sciboy | 20 minutes ago. |
| 10:08.44 | sciboy | When we were setting up his new speakers. |
| 10:09.07 | bizkit | dondelelcaro: yes ssh has high prio. but this is a second ssh service on an uncommon port just for a jailed sftp. so i need low prio for this one since it's only sftp data throughput. i use many different clients for this sftp/scp so i have to set these qos rules on my gate. the problem is the random port assigned to each session |
| 10:09.09 | sciboy | The subwoofer was sitting on top of the machine since then. |
| 10:09.11 | WireDDD | is the keyboard plugged into the ps2 mouse port? |
| 10:09.23 | kevix | sciboy, did you move the computer to a new room ? |
| 10:09.27 | TwistedLappy | Just installed fresh version of debian onto Lappy... and installed the basics + xserver-common + fluxbox... now wondering for a displace manager... what should I use... I was going to install GDM but that required 60 damn packages :P! Looking some something nice, clean, quick...? Ideas? |
| 10:09.30 | sciboy | WireDDD: It's in the keyboard ps2 port. |
| 10:09.36 | WireDDD | did you check... |
| 10:09.45 | sciboy | kevix: No, it's sitting exactly where it has been for the past 2 years. |
| 10:09.55 | sciboy | WireDDD: I don't need to check, i plugged it in. |
| 10:09.56 | TwistedLappy | displace |
| 10:09.57 | kevix | TwistedLappy, I used wdm |
| 10:10.13 | TwistedLappy | kevix: is it lightweight? |
| 10:10.31 | kevix | TwistedLappy, it doent require gnome to run. |
| 10:10.52 | TwistedLappy | agreed ;) ty. Only 21 new packages... a lot better then 60 ;) |
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| 10:11.22 | kevix | TwistedLappy, the lightest is 'no *dm' or xdm. |
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| 10:12.09 | TwistedLappy | kevix: If I wasnt to use a display manager... then to boot gui... fluxbox start everytime? |
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| 10:12.47 | kevix | sciboy, maybe when you plugged in the speakers, the sound card moved a bit... push it back in place. |
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| 10:13.13 | sciboy | kevix: It isn't the sound card, music was playing when the system started to act up. |
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| 10:13.24 | sciboy | And continued to play. |
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| 10:13.59 | kevix | sciboy, so it started having problems while it was working? maybe it overheated? |
| 10:14.01 | WireDDD | sciboy, something is loose somewhere |
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| 10:15.22 | bartden | hi, i keep getting an error when i try to join a domain with a xp client, the error looks like this, The error was: "DNS name does not exist." (error code 0x0000232B RCODE_NAME_ERROR) The query was for the SRV record for _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.DENOTTE , i know it has something to do with WINS server, i have added wins support = yes in smb.conf, and i added the ip from the samba PDC in my win xp configuration but it keeps failing |
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| 10:17.39 | WireDDD | sciboy, if the motherboard wasn't secured properly it could be a grounding problem from the subwoofer shaking it... |
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| 10:19.00 | shay | ~tell root___ about root |
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| 10:20.00 | bluechild | hello, i'm fairly new to linux and i have a question ... |
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| 10:20.20 | kevix | bluechild, ask away... |
| 10:20.29 | Grant_ | WireDDD, that's why i get zapped some times |
| 10:20.30 | Grant_ | lol |
| 10:20.40 | bluechild | what is the oficial repository for debian ? |
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| 10:21.11 | bluechild | I tried to set it as packages.debian.org/ but that won't work and i don't seem to find anywhere the right address .. |
| 10:21.16 | kevix | bluechild, the ones in /etc/apt/sources that include .debian.org |
| 10:21.19 | sciboy | WireDDD: Never had that problem before... |
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| 10:21.33 | streuner | bluechild: run 'apt-setup' as root |
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| 10:21.35 | Eulex | bluechild, run clear you sources.list and run apt-setup |
| 10:21.51 | sciboy | WireDDD: Here's the real kicker, i am logged into it remotely, and it works fine. |
| 10:21.51 | Eulex | bluechild, umh, minus first 'run' |
| 10:22.05 | ash_ | where is the server error log file? |
| 10:22.07 | vyrus001 | how do i apt-get install xorg ? |
| 10:22.13 | ash_ | *xserver error log file |
| 10:22.18 | streuner | vyrus001: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 10:22.34 | kevix | bluechild, what made you want to 'edit' your sources.list? it not really necessary under normal conditions. |
| 10:22.39 | bluechild | So i got to delete my sources.list file and then run apt-setup ? |
| 10:22.40 | Eulex | vyrus001, stable/testing/unstable? |
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| 10:22.54 | streuner | bluechild: yep |
| 10:23.11 | Eulex | bluechild, at least remove the non-working entries in it |
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| 10:23.18 | ash_ | Anyone? XServer error log? |
| 10:23.21 | bluechild | kevix: it includes only my dvds and i want to install newer versions, but i guess i have to have online repositories to update packages .. |
| 10:23.27 | Eulex | ash_, look in /var/log |
| 10:23.43 | Eulex | bluechild, ah, keep your dvd stuff. |
| 10:23.47 | bluechild | Thank you very much guys. I'll try this :) |
| 10:23.52 | sciboy | WireDDD: Do you know if there is any tools that could run a full on system test? |
| 10:24.04 | sciboy | WireDDD: It's a Debian system, and i'm connected via SSH. |
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| 10:25.25 | vyrus001 | Eulex unstable |
| 10:25.43 | ash_ | found it. dumb question |
| 10:26.04 | ash_ | thought it had it's own directory... kept trying to cd in so I couldnt see the file. |
| 10:26.08 | Eulex | vyrus001, then you should already have xorg, if you're not talking about an unstable that you haven't updated in half a year. |
| 10:26.30 | kevix | bluechild, if you are new to debian, it is recommened to only use 'stable' aka woody or sarge. getting newer packages will lead to more problems if you are not able to handle testing or unstable repositories. |
| 10:27.15 | vyrus001 | Eulex its a new install |
| 10:27.15 | bluechild | kevix, i'll keep that in mind :) |
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| 10:27.37 | vyrus001 | Eulex soruces are unstable and security is testing |
| 10:27.41 | Eulex | vyrus001, you've dist-upgraded from stable? |
| 10:28.30 | vyrus001 | Eulex n/m i needed to run an apt-get update for the packages to show... i now see the xserver-xorg package |
| 10:28.37 | bluechild | I've used linux a couple of years ago and i have to say it's improved quite a bit from the ease of use point of view .. |
| 10:29.11 | vyrus001 | yea linux is always doing that :P |
| 10:29.17 | bluechild | Especially progs like apt-get and synaptic ... that was something that was missing .. |
| 10:29.32 | bluechild | from what i know :) |
| 10:29.58 | sciboy | I cannot express my love for module-assistant; |
| 10:30.10 | kevix | bluechild, the best tools are wajig and aptitude for me (and module-assistant) |
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| 10:30.41 | kevix | sciboy, yea it makes kernel modules into childsplay! |
| 10:30.53 | sciboy | m-a a-i nvidia = love. |
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| 10:31.16 | sciboy | Of course, i tend to run, apt-get -t experimental install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx |
| 10:31.21 | sciboy | Before hand. =) |
| 10:31.31 | bluechild | kevix, maybe i don't know everything yet, but it's very easily set up now. And it looks great .. i was thinking these last days that the transition from windows to linux is not such a huge step for the beginner as it used to be .. |
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| 10:32.00 | bluechild | extracting tarballs and trying to find dependencies was too much if you just wanted to do your job .. |
| 10:32.16 | kevix | bluechild, I installed 'photoshop' using wine recently, it worked out of the box. |
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| 10:32.31 | bluechild | kevix, i got to try all these :) |
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| 10:32.52 | sciboy | Hey, i am still wondering whether debian provides an easy way to compile modules from source against kernel-headers instead of requiring a complete kernel recompile. |
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| 10:33.09 | plbgnr | hello, does anyone use lirc? I have some questions about it... |
| 10:33.10 | PerfDave | sciboy: module-assistant |
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| 10:33.17 | sciboy | PerfDave: From source. |
| 10:33.24 | PerfDave | sciboy: module-assistant |
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| 10:33.45 | sciboy | PerfDave: From source as in there isn't a debian package available for it yet. |
| 10:33.56 | PerfDave | sciboy: module-assistant? |
| 10:34.00 | sciboy | Or more specifically that debian package doesn't do its job... |
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| 10:34.14 | PerfDave | Which debian package doesn't do its job? |
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| 10:34.24 | ricochet | Question - I'm trying to upgrade from woody to sarge but I keep getting this error "sed: -e expression #1, char 34: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS" |
| 10:34.38 | PerfDave | ricochet: Did you read the Sarge release notes about upgrading from Woody? |
| 10:34.47 | ricochet | noo, where are those? |
| 10:34.54 | PerfDave | ricochet: Same place you get Sarge from ;) |
| 10:35.13 | Eulex | !+woody->sarge |
| 10:35.14 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 10:35.38 | PerfDave | !sarge release notes |
| 10:35.39 | dpkg | [sarge release notes] http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 10:35.49 | kevix | ricochet, http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 10:35.50 | PerfDave | Ooh, didn't know there was a bot factoid for that ;) |
| 10:35.59 | sciboy | PerfDave: wacom-kernel-source |
| 10:36.29 | PerfDave | sciboy: In what way doesn't it do its job? |
| 10:36.43 | Eulex | sciboy, m-a a-i wacom? |
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| 10:37.13 | sciboy | PerfDave: Well unless it uses the latest version of the drivers, which it doesn't, it needs to compile and replace two modules in the kernel, which it doesn't. |
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| 10:37.27 | PerfDave | sciboy: Have you checked the BTS? :) |
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| 10:37.36 | Eulex | sciboy, you can always cd into the dir in /usr/src/wacom and try to build it manually if m-a fails, though. |
| 10:37.52 | sciboy | PerfDave: Resulting in the kernel detecting the device as a HID device instead of the Wacom it is. |
| 10:38.14 | sciboy | Eulex: But how do you manually build it against kernel-headers? |
| 10:38.26 | sciboy | Eulex: Every guide i've seen involves kernel recompiles. |
| 10:38.51 | PerfDave | sciboy: What makes you think that this module *can* be built against kernel-headers, if it needs to compile and replace two modules in the kernel? |
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| 10:39.23 | PerfDave | Some modules require full kernel source, and m-a should take care of that too |
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| 10:39.42 | ekekos | Hello there, I have problems trying to use alsa dmixer with gnome in SID, how can i configure sound device in gnome? |
| 10:40.02 | ekekos | for gnome sounds |
| 10:40.28 | sciboy | PerfDave: Either way all this crap wouldn't be necessary with the wacom-kernel-source package was up to date. |
| 10:40.41 | sciboy | PerfDave: They removed the need for those modules in the latest release. |
| 10:40.52 | PerfDave | sciboy: Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 10:41.10 | sciboy | PerfDave: Yes, i see nothing relevant. |
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| 10:41.20 | PerfDave | sciboy: Have you tried reporting a bug then? |
| 10:41.32 | PerfDave | sciboy: Have you filed a wishlist bug pointing out that there's a new upstream version? |
| 10:41.41 | PerfDave | sciboy: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 10:41.43 | Eulex | sciboy, then d/l the newest driver yourself and build it manually |
| 10:41.57 | sciboy | PerfDave: Unstable, with some Experimental packages. |
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| 10:42.22 | PerfDave | sciboy: So report bugs, and go about your merry business :) |
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| 10:42.33 | Eulex | sciboy, http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/ -- you expect something released 4 days ago to be packaged? |
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| 10:42.48 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 10:42.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 10:43.16 | PerfDave | Eulex: Not by Debian, no ;) |
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| 10:43.44 | sciboy | Eulex: If you took a closer look, that date represents the last time they updated the page. |
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| 10:44.08 | sciboy | Eulex: A more recent driver than in the wacom-kernel-source package has been available for many months now. |
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| 10:44.32 | cadu | JP? |
| 10:44.38 | PerfDave | sciboy: And you filed a wishlist bug many months ago, right? :) |
| 10:44.42 | cadu | !jp |
| 10:44.43 | dpkg | i guess jp is Japan |
| 10:44.50 | cadu | japanese help? |
| 10:44.54 | Eulex | sciboy, ah. |
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| 10:45.06 | Eulex | cadu, not here, at least |
| 10:45.11 | sciboy | PerfDave: Nope, cause i did some pretty elaborate stuff to compile the modules against the headers and replace them by hand. |
| 10:45.20 | Eulex | !japanese |
| 10:45.20 | dpkg | from memory, japanese is #debian-japanese Turning japanese i think i'm turning japanese i really think so! |
| 10:45.32 | sciboy | PerfDave: Unfortunately, one kernel upgrade later and i have to figure it all out again. =/ |
| 10:45.47 | Eulex | ain't that a chorus in some punk song from some years ago? |
| 10:45.49 | PerfDave | sciboy: So in other words, you're partly responsible for your current problems :) |
| 10:45.56 | PerfDave | Eulex: Yes, "Turning Japanese" by The Vapours. |
| 10:46.08 | PerfDave | One of the most famous pop songs about masturbation. |
| 10:46.27 | sciboy | PerfDave: No, it means alot of other people also have to put up with this crap. |
| 10:46.44 | sciboy | PerfDave: I'm in no way responsible for the package maintainers lack of updates. |
| 10:46.50 | cadu | ăżă‚“ăŞă•ă‚“ăŻć—Ąćś¬čŞžăŚă§ăŤăľă™ă‹ďĽź |
| 10:46.53 | Eulex | heh |
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| 10:47.04 | PerfDave | sciboy: If you didn't file a wishlist bug asking for the new upstream to be packaged, you *are* responsible. |
| 10:47.27 | Eulex | sciboy, they are in no way responsible for packaging the newest version. but yes, it'd be nice. |
| 10:47.35 | sciboy | "Last changelog update: Sun, 19 Jun 2005" |
| 10:47.56 | plbgnr | is there way to display which processes use which devices? |
| 10:47.57 | Eulex | cadu, goto #debian-japanese. btw, nice utf-8. |
| 10:48.05 | PerfDave | plbgnr: lsof |
| 10:48.16 | Eulex | plbgnr, lsof |
| 10:48.32 | plbgnr | PerfDave Eulex:thx |
| 10:48.37 | cadu | Eulex, thanks , i wrote it using the nice 'utf-8 : thä book' i bought here for 100yen |
| 10:48.42 | cadu | Eulex, :) |
| 10:48.46 | ekekos | "aoss mpg123 victor\ jara\ -\ el\ derecho\ de\ vivir\ en\ paz.mp3" SNDCTL_DSP_SPEED: Invalid argument |
| 10:49.29 | valdyn | ekekos: and what? is playback not working? |
| 10:50.05 | Eulex | cadu, hehe. try this out: http://im-ja.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 10:51.08 | cadu | Eulex, unfortunately i'm on windows here |
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| 10:51.16 | Eulex | cadu, ewww |
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| 10:51.32 | tchino | i want to install kde 3.5 from alioth.debian.org, but many packages want to be hold back |
| 10:51.34 | cadu | Eulex, hehehe :-) i'm just testing some things on VMware, i still have to buy my own pc and ditch this wife's sister off :O |
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| 10:52.55 | Eulex | cadu, heh, ok. |
| 10:53.15 | cadu | Eulex, ă¸ă¸ă¸ă¸ă¸ |
| 10:53.44 | ekekos | valdyn: mpg123 just start and end immediatly |
| 10:54.45 | asuffield | cadu: I think you mean ăµăµăµ |
| 10:55.22 | cadu | ă™ă”ă„ă€UTF8　Windowsă§ă€€ă§ăŤăľă™ |
| 10:55.31 | rvalles | ăľăŤă‹ |
| 10:55.54 | Zwartetoorts | Hello, I'm streaming from my mpeg2 encoding card over the network using netcat. This works ok. I use apache&php to change the channels. It runs the following 2 commands: sudo ivtvctl --set-input=6 and sudo ivtv-tune -f568 to change the input(tuner, S-Video or composite) and change the tuner's frequency. The first command is executed ok, but the second doesn't do anything at all--Could anybody help me with this? |
| 10:56.00 | valdyn | ekekos: paste your asoundrc somewhere |
| 10:56.04 | Eulex | cadu, ăă‚ąăĽă‚¬ă‚ą ă°ăŹăĽăŻă¤ |
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| 10:56.18 | rvalles | hm, it was actually ăľă•ă‹ |
| 10:56.21 | tchino | has someone kde3.5 on debian |
| 10:56.27 | rvalles | heh |
| 10:56.35 | cadu | Eulex, ăă？ |
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| 10:56.59 | ekekos | valdyn: do you know where paste?+ |
| 10:57.02 | valdyn | ekekos: or just use mpg123 -o alsa file.mpg |
| 10:57.06 | valdyn | !tell ekekos -about paste |
| 10:57.13 | rvalles | I guess there's a too serious geek per square meter ratio in this room |
| 10:57.15 | valdyn | ekekos: or just use mpg123 -o alsa file.mp3 |
| 10:57.22 | cadu | Eulex, 何？ |
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| 10:59.36 | bartden | hi, i added wins support = yes to smb.conf, but when i try to connect to it i see that my wins server is running on 127.0.0.1, how can i make it run on my LAN interface, i hav interfaces = eth1 , so it only binds to this interface |
| 10:59.38 | Eulex | cadu, hehe, got a friend who watches quite much anime and reads manga. he had that as nick some time ago. (basu-gasu baku-hatsu = bus gas explosion, no?) |
| 11:00.07 | cadu | eee, hai , but you mixed katakana and hiragana :> |
| 11:00.28 | cadu | in a funny way :P |
| 11:00.33 | ekekos | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1259 |
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| 11:00.41 | Eulex | hehe |
| 11:00.52 | cadu | ouch, my english is terrible. |
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| 11:01.09 | cadu | Eulex: btw i'm kidding with you, i'm brazillian but i live in Japan. :) |
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| 11:01.23 | cadu | Eulex: i'm sure you have checked my ip address. |
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| 11:01.57 | Eulex | cadu, haha |
| 11:02.09 | poop | I just can't seem to get nvidiafb to stop loading. |
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| 11:02.22 | poop | alias nvidiafb off; skip nvidiafb in discover.conf ... |
| 11:02.33 | Eulex | poop, stable or testing/unstable? |
| 11:02.44 | valdyn | ekekos: set your rate to 44100 and try again |
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| 11:02.46 | poop | Eulex: unstable |
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| 11:02.56 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 11:02.56 | dpkg | i guess blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 11:03.15 | Eulex | poop, "in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" |
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| 11:04.08 | poop | Here goes. |
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| 11:05.19 | Zwartetoorts | Hello, I'm streaming from my mpeg2 encoding card over the network using netcat. This works ok. I use apache&php to change the channels. It runs the following 2 commands: sudo ivtvctl --set-input=6 and sudo ivtv-tune -f568 to change the input(tuner, S-Video or composite) and change the tuner's frequency. The first command is executed ok, but the second doesn't do anything at all--Could anybody help me with this? |
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| 11:05.43 | ekekos | valdyn: now it says /dev/dsp: Invalid argument |
| 11:05.46 | kwas | speak anybody czech |
| 11:05.50 | Eulex | !cz |
| 11:05.50 | dpkg | it has been said that cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 11:06.06 | kwas | thanks |
| 11:06.17 | valdyn | ekekos: remove it completely ( or comment it out ) |
| 11:06.41 | ekekos | valdyn: comment what? |
| 11:06.49 | valdyn | ekekos: the rate |
| 11:07.53 | ekekos | SNDCTL_DSP_SPEED: Invalid argument |
| 11:08.08 | rvalles | Zwartetoorts: does it work, if you run it alone, the second command? |
| 11:08.42 | valdyn | ekekos: might want to consult your manual which rates are supported. |
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| 11:09.10 | ekekos | valdyn: rate that you said is supported: 44100 |
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| 11:09.13 | valdyn | ekekos: either way add one to the hardware device, keep the same in that dmix section |
| 11:09.24 | SWAT | I just installed apache2 and phppgadmin. Apache standard page works. But how can I log in to phppgadmin? (I just apt-get it) |
| 11:09.34 | Zwartetoorts | nope when i change the command order it doesn't do anything too |
| 11:10.03 | valdyn | ekekos: gonna edit your paste |
| 11:10.32 | Zwartetoorts | when I su www-data and run sudo ivtv-tune -f568 it works |
| 11:10.52 | Zwartetoorts | only not from my script |
| 11:11.05 | poop | blacklist doesn't work |
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| 11:11.23 | valdyn | ekekos: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1260 |
| 11:11.26 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: can your script sudo without being asked for a password? |
| 11:11.39 | Zwartetoorts | yes |
| 11:11.42 | Eulex | Zwartetoorts, try sudo -u www-data |
| 11:12.27 | Eulex | Zwartetoorts, or whatever user you wanted... but make sure it's run as root, then you won't get any prompt |
| 11:12.32 | Zwartetoorts | ALL ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/ivtv-tune |
| 11:12.43 | Zwartetoorts | in sudoers |
| 11:13.14 | Zwartetoorts | when i run the ivtv-tune command with sudo as www-data it works |
| 11:13.25 | Zwartetoorts | only not from the script |
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| 11:13.38 | Zwartetoorts | the first cmd runs ok |
| 11:13.51 | Zwartetoorts | the second doesn't seem to do anything |
| 11:13.53 | honschu | How to open the mouse-device in X (C/C++) ? |
| 11:14.05 | honschu | I just want x, y - value |
| 11:14.09 | SerajewelKS | honschu: #c |
| 11:14.35 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: a problem with your script then. |
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| 11:15.04 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: if you run the command that works at the nonworking positionß |
| 11:15.04 | quitte | ? |
| 11:15.04 | Zwartetoorts | When I run php -r 'passthru("sudo ivtv-tune -f568");' as www-data it works |
| 11:15.17 | Zwartetoorts | it runs then |
| 11:15.46 | Zwartetoorts | changing order still makes ivtv-tune not work and ivtvctl work |
| 11:16.00 | plbgnr | is there way to display which processes use which kernel modules? |
| 11:16.11 | Eulex | plbgnr, lsof |
| 11:16.18 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: is one of them a script itself? or maybe statically linked? |
| 11:16.25 | ekekos | valdyn: the same problem |
| 11:16.26 | kwas | !cz |
| 11:16.26 | dpkg | hmm... cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 11:16.27 | plbgnr | Eulex ok thx |
| 11:16.35 | Eulex | plbgnr, though then you need to use what modules use what device file |
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| 11:16.39 | Zwartetoorts | I don't know |
| 11:16.46 | valdyn | ekekos: the snd_ctrl_speed error ? |
| 11:17.08 | Eulex | plbgnr, but I don't think that will be very hard to figure out... |
| 11:17.12 | Zwartetoorts | When I run ivtv-tune as www-data without the sudo it causes a segmentation fault |
| 11:17.46 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: look at the files to see if they are scripts and use ldd to see if they are dynamically linked |
| 11:18.00 | ekekos | valdyn: yes |
| 11:18.05 | Zwartetoorts | ok |
| 11:18.36 | Zwartetoorts | they look pretty binary to me |
| 11:18.49 | plbgnr | Eulex I actually want remove module ...and got message that it is in use |
| 11:18.57 | valdyn | ekekos: did you figure out which rate(s) your hardware is supposed to support? |
| 11:19.05 | Eulex | plbgnr, what module? |
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| 11:19.24 | plbgnr | Eulex lirc_dev |
| 11:19.32 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: is one of them statically linked? |
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| 11:19.41 | Zwartetoorts | how can I see? |
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| 11:19.56 | plbgnr | Eulex ...but lircd is not running |
| 11:20.01 | quitte | ldd it |
| 11:20.08 | valdyn | ekekos: ..and what happens if you try 'mpg123 -o alsa some.mp3' |
| 11:20.13 | ekekos | valdyn: i'v configured my soundcard before and 44100 is the supported rate |
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| 11:20.30 | Zwartetoorts | ldd gives some info about libc and so |
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| 11:20.46 | ekekos | valdyn: Unknown argument "alsa" to option "alsa" |
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| 11:21.19 | bartden | i still keep getting the anoying The query was for the SRV record for _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.DENOTTE error when i try to join a samba PDC with a windows xp client |
| 11:21.23 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: they are both dynamically linked then. so it seems to be able to find the libs it needs. sorry out of ideas. |
| 11:21.35 | Zwartetoorts | me too |
| 11:21.56 | Zwartetoorts | exec() system() and passthru() php calls all fail |
| 11:22.04 | Zwartetoorts | without any messages |
| 11:22.05 | Eulex | plbgnr, lsmod|grep lirc_dev. also, find /dev -iname "*lirc*" |
| 11:22.39 | valdyn | ekekos: mm, try 'mpg123 -o alsa09 some.mp3 |
| 11:22.43 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: you could call a script and add messages with echo yourself |
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| 11:22.57 | valdyn | !info mpg321 sarge |
| 11:22.59 | valdyn | !info mpg321 sid |
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| 11:23.05 | Zwartetoorts | echo yourself? |
| 11:23.06 | dpkg | mpg321: (A Free command-line mp3 player, compatible with mpg123), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.10.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 11:23.18 | ekekos | valdyn: it's the same |
| 11:23.23 | Eulex | !echo me |
| 11:23.23 | dpkg | eulex |
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| 11:23.42 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: trying to insult me? |
| 11:23.52 | Zwartetoorts | no why? |
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| 11:23.56 | valdyn | ekekos: dpkg -S /usr/bin/mpg123 |
| 11:24.07 | Zwartetoorts | I just didn't understand what you meant |
| 11:24.24 | dpkg | mpg321: (A Free command-line mp3 player, compatible with mpg123), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.10.3 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 11:24.30 | traian__ | i want to use my usb devices but i can't manage to set something right |
| 11:24.35 | traian__ | can anybody help me? |
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| 11:24.53 | traian__ | i mean i see them with lsusb |
| 11:24.56 | labanux | guys..,is there any debian based distro with KDE? |
| 11:25.13 | tarzeau | labanux: kubuntu? |
| 11:25.15 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: make a script and use a lot of echo for things like echo "script runs" echo "command was execute" |
| 11:25.17 | tarzeau | labanux: knoppix? |
| 11:25.36 | Zwartetoorts | I already have, quitte |
| 11:25.46 | valdyn | ekekos: i wonder which mpg123 you are really using as 'mpg123 -o alsa some.mp3' is defenitely supported with sarge's or sid's mpg321 package |
| 11:25.55 | Zwartetoorts | echo "Running command $cmd"; |
| 11:26.06 | Zwartetoorts | and then passthru($cmd); |
| 11:26.06 | traian__ | ... |
| 11:26.10 | labanux | oh.., i've try kubuntu, ubuntu+kde, knoppix, but it is not really good i think.. |
| 11:26.23 | Zwartetoorts | When I run php -r 'passthru("sudo ivtv-tune -f568");' as www-data it works |
| 11:26.29 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: get a dvb card then and use nice and shiny web frontends that already work :P |
| 11:26.42 | Zwartetoorts | That's the weird thing |
| 11:26.44 | quitte | Zwartetoorts: or ask #php |
| 11:26.51 | ekekos | valdyn: I have mpg321 installed too |
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| 11:27.07 | Zwartetoorts | maybe #php is a good idea, i'll try that |
| 11:27.09 | valdyn | ekekos: dpkg -S /usr/bin/mpg123 please |
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| 11:27.18 | Zwartetoorts | Thank for the help |
| 11:27.25 | zakame | hi all! :D |
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| 11:27.40 | Eulex | labanux, why not go with debian? :) |
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| 11:27.48 | ekekos | valdyn: not found |
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| 11:27.58 | ekekos | /usr/bin/mpg123 |
| 11:28.09 | valdyn | ekekos: uh? how are you running it then |
| 11:28.14 | valdyn | ekekos: 'which mpg123' |
| 11:28.28 | ekekos | /usr/bin/mpg123 |
| 11:28.45 | Eulex | traian__, differs depending on what kind of device you're talking about |
| 11:28.57 | labanux | Eulex: cause it's default desktop is GNome (i'm using ubuntu right now) |
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| 11:29.12 | quitte | what makes people install programs from source that can easily be installed with apt-get? |
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| 11:29.16 | Eulex | labanux, debian has no default desktop |
| 11:29.30 | quitte | ekekos: it's in non-free but you could also hae used mpg321 |
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| 11:29.43 | ekekos | valdyn: what does dpkg -S |
| 11:29.47 | ekekos | ? |
| 11:30.47 | valdyn | ekekos: update-alternatives --list mpg123 |
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| 11:30.47 | Eulex | labanux, just apt-get install kde... |
| 11:30.47 | valdyn | ekekos: tells you which package supplied a specific file |
| 11:30.48 | ekekos | /usr/bin/mpg123-oss |
| 11:30.48 | ekekos | /usr/bin/mpg123-esd |
| 11:30.48 | ekekos | /usr/bin/mpg321 |
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| 11:31.09 | Eulex | ekekos, you were one line from being auto-kicked for flooding by debhelper there |
| 11:31.34 | valdyn | ekekos: and what is it currently pointing to? 'update-alternatives --display mpg123' |
| 11:31.39 | liable | Eulex: it has a time frame too.. |
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| 11:32.40 | Eulex | liable, so it's not number of lines pasted, it's number of lines per second? |
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| 11:32.54 | liable | Eulex: both :) |
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| 11:33.46 | ekekos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.48 | Eulex | liable, ah |
| 11:34.06 | ekekos | Eulex: Thanks for the advice |
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| 11:34.12 | valdyn | ekekos: alright, i guess that explains your mess |
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| 11:34.53 | valdyn | ekekos: you are trying not to redirect an OSS application to alsa with aoss but an esd-using program. that obviously wont work. |
| 11:35.19 | valdyn | ekekos: try mpg321 -o alsa some.mp3 |
| 11:35.57 | valdyn | ekekos: not to mention that esd itself is a piece of trash |
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| 11:36.56 | ekekos | valdyn: it sounds but cutting the music and says: ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms. |
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| 11:37.41 | valdyn | ekekos: set your rate back to 48000 ( restore your old asoundrc ) |
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| 11:37.49 | poop | Screw the rest. I'll build what I need against stable. |
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| 11:37.59 | Eulex | poonj, that's the spirit |
| 11:38.28 | Eulex | umh, sorry poonj |
| 11:38.56 | ekekos | valdyn: i trying to replace esd with alsa and dmix |
| 11:39.11 | valdyn | ekekos: thats fine, we're working on that ) |
| 11:39.33 | valdyn | ekekos: tell me how playback is after setting your rate back to your original |
| 11:39.44 | ekekos | valdyn: the same |
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| 11:40.03 | valdyn | ekekos: meaning you are getting underruns? |
| 11:40.07 | ekekos | valdyn: underrun |
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| 11:40.25 | valdyn | ekekos: paste current asoundrc please |
| 11:41.04 | valdyn | ekekos: underrun = your alsa isnt getting fed enough data, i somehow doubt that is b/c your computer is to slow.. |
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| 11:41.36 | ekekos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1261 |
| 11:41.45 | valdyn | ekekos: ah, btw, use mpg123 -o alsa09 some.mp4 |
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| 11:42.02 | [sr] | hi |
| 11:42.05 | valdyn | ekekos: not straight 'alsa' ( my fault, plain 'alsa' is for ancient alsa versions ) |
| 11:42.06 | [sr] | people |
| 11:42.06 | [sr] | i need something |
| 11:42.09 | ekekos | valdyn: ever i have ALSA anderruns running mplayer |
| 11:42.14 | [sr] | i have kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 11:42.17 | [sr] | i need the sources |
| 11:42.22 | [sr] | but i can't find then |
| 11:42.32 | ekekos | valdyn: but xmms with alsa run perfectly |
| 11:42.35 | avar | I'm using vnc to connect to an OSX vnc server, is there a way to configure it so that when I connect it works more akin to ssh -X, that is when I make actions on the client it won't move stuff on the screen on the server? |
| 11:42.47 | valdyn | ekekos: does mpg321 work flawlessly now? |
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| 11:43.10 | valdyn | ekekos: xmms does not use your dmix by default |
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| 11:43.35 | ekekos | valdyn: underruns with alsa09 |
| 11:44.16 | ekekos | valdyn: my box is a celeron 500 |
| 11:44.17 | valdyn | ekekos: aww, try increasing your buffers size in ~/.asoundrc |
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| 11:44.32 | valdyn | ekekos: like to 64000 |
| 11:45.10 | Eulex | ekekos, that reminds me of the crappy compaq I still have laying around somewhere... |
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| 11:45.18 | sdakota | hi again |
| 11:45.20 | ekekos | i have this message: ALSA lib timer_hw.c:269:(snd_timer_hw_open) extended read is not supported (SNDRV_TIMER_IOCTL_TREAD) |
| 11:45.42 | valdyn | ekekos: since when? |
| 11:45.48 | sdakota | bob2: postfix reinstalled nicely - so I did the compile wíth the sasl2 library - and the old error came up again. |
| 11:46.02 | ekekos | valdyn: when i run mpg321 -o alsa09 |
| 11:46.44 | ekekos | valdyn: i think is related with underruns |
| 11:46.45 | sdakota | error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsasl when compiling postfix2 |
| 11:46.46 | sdakota | postfix* |
| 11:46.52 | valdyn | ekekos: yea, i suppose so |
| 11:47.05 | valdyn | ekekos: cat /dev/rtc |
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| 11:47.23 | quitte | sdakota: install libsasl2-dev |
| 11:47.24 | ekekos | valdyn: what is that? |
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| 11:47.30 | valdyn | ekekos: real time clock |
| 11:47.43 | ekekos | valdyn: cat is running |
| 11:47.51 | [sr] | hum |
| 11:47.54 | valdyn | ekekos: fine, then your tc is ok too |
| 11:47.58 | valdyn | ekekos: fine, then your rtc is ok too |
| 11:47.59 | [sr] | what is more recent, sid or sarge? |
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| 11:48.12 | mooed | sid |
| 11:48.14 | valdyn | [sr]: sid as its the unstable development branch |
| 11:48.18 | [sr] | hum |
| 11:48.20 | [sr] | right |
| 11:48.26 | Cristi4n | I hava a question. I do not have aptitude install, and for some reason I cannot install it. Is there a problem if I use apt-get only ? |
| 11:48.27 | valdyn | ekekos: uname -r |
| 11:48.31 | [sr] | some kernel sources aren't on sid |
| 11:48.36 | [sr] | no problem |
| 11:48.40 | ekekos | 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 11:48.46 | [sr] | changed to sarge and will change to sid again |
| 11:48.58 | [sr] | nah, i need an old 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 11:48.59 | [sr] | :P |
| 11:49.19 | quitte | why? |
| 11:49.27 | valdyn | ekekos: did you get that error message all the time or only after changing the buffer size? |
| 11:49.29 | [sr] | its a remote machine.. |
| 11:49.36 | [sr] | need sources to try vmware |
| 11:49.37 | nati | busco novio |
| 11:49.39 | ekekos | valdyn: my wife is asking me about to go to swimming pool... he he he |
| 11:49.43 | sdakota | quitte: already installed |
| 11:49.52 | valdyn | ekekos: np, i got to eat too |
| 11:50.00 | pingouin | is it possible to listening *.ram from amazon from on linux ? with which app ? |
| 11:50.05 | sdakota | ekekos, have fun ;) |
| 11:50.07 | valdyn | ekekos: i would try a different kernel, dont think that error is directly alsa |
| 11:50.09 | quitte | sdakota: weird. apt-get build-dep postfix didnt help,too? |
| 11:50.09 | ekekos | valdyn: i will try after |
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| 11:50.24 | sdakota | quitte: nope, also already done |
| 11:50.25 | ekekos | sdakota: thanks |
| 11:50.31 | k31th | morning |
| 11:50.33 | tarzeau | how can i reset my root/user password when i forgot it? debian gnu/hurd as of january 2004 |
| 11:50.36 | ekekos | good bye to all, thanks for the help |
| 11:50.40 | quitte | sdakota: are you backporting? |
| 11:50.52 | sdakota | quitte: am I what? :/ |
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| 11:51.11 | quitte | sdakota: why are you recompiling postfix? |
| 11:51.56 | sdakota | quitte: I did apt-get source postfix, that worked, then aapplied patch and recompiled using dpkg, then recompiled using the command in the postfix documentation |
| 11:52.19 | quitte | sdakota: sou you need some patch? |
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| 11:52.41 | sdakota | quitte: because I need to apply a patch, VDA, for virtual quota's (all other ways for quota failed too) |
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| 11:53.13 | quitte | sdakota: ok. are you using sources for the same distribution as you are running? |
| 11:53.41 | riot | Hmm. since the last update (sid) my timezone is weirdly wrong, it is set correctly and i just synched using ntp but my box is one hour ahead |
| 11:54.16 | quitte | riot: tzconfig or tzselect |
| 11:54.41 | riot | quitte: no, that didn't help :( |
| 11:55.03 | sdakota | quitte: oh shit! i forgot i installed ubuntu - i'm probably in the wrong channel then... |
| 11:55.29 | quitte | hehe. yes. |
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| 11:56.18 | sdakota | sorry..!! |
| 11:56.29 | sdakota | though, i think there's no difference |
| 11:56.39 | sdakota | euh |
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| 11:57.26 | sdakota | the command in the guide is for redhat - what dirs do I need to change? |
| 11:57.27 | sdakota | I built everything in FreeBSD and the default location is /usr/local/etc/postfix. Your configuration might be different. |
| 11:57.27 | sdakota | RedHat 9 (including SASL): |
| 11:57.27 | sdakota | % make makefiles 'CCARGS=-DHAS_MYSQL -I/usr/include/mysql -DUSE_SASL_AUTH -I/usr/include/sasl' \ |
| 11:57.27 | sdakota | 'AUXLIBS=-L/usr/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lz -lm -L/usr/lib -lsasl' |
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| 11:57.45 | sdakota | sorry - i forgot the bot kicks all pasters... |
| 11:57.53 | benjamindees | sdakota, you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 11:58.05 | Cristi4n | I am trying tuupgrade an old linux system, from the net ! Can anyone help me please ? I have done apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade! Is there a problem ? Or do I need to run other commands ? |
| 11:58.20 | quitte | sdakota: from the frequency people come here with unsolvable problems and then it turns out they are using ubuntu i can safely say that there is a difference |
| 11:58.21 | sdakota | benjamindees, I know ... but there is no difference in postfix compiling between ubuntu and debian right?... |
| 11:58.27 | quitte | no |
| 11:58.33 | sdakota | quitte: ojj - sorry, |
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| 11:58.42 | quitte | obiously there is. |
| 11:58.48 | heart5 | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:59.03 | blondie | apt-get remove sdakota |
| 11:59.06 | quitte | sdakota: try using the postfix source provided by ubuntu |
| 11:59.08 | sdakota | quitte, you know... I had debian installed on the server yesterday - but I forgot I reinstalled the server (because I replaced the whole thing) |
| 11:59.22 | sdakota | quitte, thats why I joined and forgot I needed to go to ubuntu now... sorry |
| 11:59.43 | sdakota | quitte: I was ... that's the problem - sorry, I'll go to ubuntu... *shames* I just forgot! |
| 11:59.44 | Cristi4n | heart5 apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:59.47 | blondie | sdakota: that's not good enough |
| 12:00.03 | Cristi4n | heart5 and upgrade only, upgrade everything ? |
| 12:00.03 | blondie | sdakota: ubuntu is shit for servers - use debian :P |
| 12:00.19 | sdakota | blondie: sure? |
| 12:00.23 | blondie | yes |
| 12:00.26 | blondie | affirmative |
| 12:00.36 | heart5 | yeag |
| 12:00.44 | sdakota | blondie: ok =) |
| 12:00.55 | sdakota | sec - need to search some guide on perfect server setup debian hten |
| 12:00.57 | sdakota | then* |
| 12:01.45 | quitte | there are guides for _that_? how can a guide know what is perfect for the situation? |
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| 12:02.14 | sdakota | quitte: look at http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge <-- there's one for ubuntu breezy and hoary too |
| 12:02.22 | k31th | out of interest anyone got open exchange working on debian ? |
| 12:02.25 | quitte | hohoho |
| 12:02.27 | riot | quitte: sounds to me like there must be a bazillion guides for every situation *bg* |
| 12:02.38 | heart5 | dist-upgrade |
| 12:02.39 | heart5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.39 | heart5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.39 | heart5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.39 | heart5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.39 | heart5 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:02.41 | sdakota | quitte, it prepares the system for ispconfig - so I follow this guide and don't install ispconfig (because I want to self-controll the server and eventually create a control panel later) |
| 12:02.52 | valdyn | sdakota: the fact that something calls itself perfect doesn't mean _that_ much for its reality ;) |
| 12:02.54 | sdakota | oeii |
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| 12:03.37 | Cristi4n | heart5 thank you very much |
| 12:04.13 | sdakota | valdyn: well, the guide gives me a fully prepared server - that has support for quite everything a server needs |
| 12:04.25 | riot | dist-upgrade always brakes my sid for 2-5 days :-/ but i still like it *g* |
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| 12:05.04 | sdakota | are there any DVD images for Debian (or even only servers) |
| 12:05.15 | sdakota | heart5, in case you didn't notice, Cristi4n thanked you for that ;) |
| 12:05.19 | riot | sdakota: yes. |
| 12:05.24 | sdakota | heart5: [13:03] <Cristi4n> heart5 thank you very much |
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| 12:05.37 | sdakota | !install dvd |
| 12:05.43 | sdakota | !install |
| 12:05.43 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 12:05.59 | sdakota | !install guide |
| 12:06.00 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 12:06.13 | valdyn | sdakota: that might be true for your server indeed, but that's it. |
| 12:06.29 | heart5 | It's my pleasure |
| 12:07.05 | sdakota | darn - there's no dvd reader in the server - just a cd burner O.o |
| 12:07.14 | sdakota | ugh - i'll use the floppydisks |
| 12:07.23 | quitte | sdakota: does the howto mention backups? |
| 12:07.28 | liable | wtf would you want a dvd to install a server?? |
| 12:07.28 | valdyn | sdakota: but there's some broken stuff in it that i saw at the 15 sec i looked at it, the mess he's doing with update-rc.d will break _every_ upgrade of a package involved |
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| 12:08.05 | sdakota | quitte: the perfectsetup? no, but I can create my own script for that (mount, create a targz, copy, umount) |
| 12:08.18 | sdakota | valdyn: ok |
| 12:08.28 | sdakota | valdyn: i'll remember that |
| 12:08.33 | adaran | i have a quite curious problem with ssmtp: i need to specifiy a username and a password for my isps mailserver - however my username looks like this 'foo#bar.domain' |
| 12:08.56 | adaran | if i enter that in a configuration file, everything after the # is taken as a comment. i've tried 'foo#bar.domain' and foo\#bar.domain - any hints? |
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| 12:09.54 | adaran | also "foo#bar.domain" doesn't work, too (just sends "foo# ) |
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| 12:12.30 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 12:12.46 | DaBlade | Can someone help me out? I wanna write an initscript that makes this line executed at startup: |
| 12:12.50 | DaBlade | peerguardnf -d -c /etc/PG.conf -l /var/log/PG.log -h -m |
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| 12:12.58 | DaBlade | But I don't have a clue how. |
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| 12:14.26 | jelly | DaBlade: Have you taken a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
| 12:14.48 | DaBlade | damn, that's one big script |
| 12:15.01 | DaBlade | I just want a very very simple one, that executes the above command and nothing else |
| 12:15.21 | valdyn | DaBlade: its easy to modify for your purpose, just add that command in the start section |
| 12:15.30 | Cristi4n | I am trying apt-get install opendchub , and it says it cannot find the package ? Why is that ? because in sources.list is an address that does not have opendchub ? please excuse me for being noob |
| 12:15.34 | valdyn | DaBlade: to a copy of skeleton naturally |
| 12:15.38 | adaran | DaBlade, putting that in a script may work |
| 12:15.52 | DaBlade | so... would this work as a startup script? |
| 12:15.54 | adaran | DaBlade, then just link to the runlevel. however that's somewhat... dirty |
| 12:15.58 | DaBlade | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:16.04 | DaBlade | peerguardnf -d -c /etc/PG.conf -l /var/log/PG.log -h -m |
| 12:16.11 | adaran | DaBlade, or get a clue of the init system first =) |
| 12:16.29 | DaBlade | That would be nice adaran, but it takes time, which I right now don't have to get this finished. ;) |
| 12:16.52 | valdyn | DaBlade: do what i said, its not hard |
| 12:17.01 | heart5 | apt-get update;apt-cache search opendchub |
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| 12:17.07 | DaBlade | ok, I'll try. |
| 12:17.07 | adaran | DaBlade, well, half an hour =) |
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| 12:17.36 | DaBlade | half an hour? damn no... |
| 12:17.46 | DaBlade | I got a bus to catch in 10... |
| 12:17.57 | DaBlade | minutes that is. |
| 12:18.02 | valdyn | DaBlade: you could be done already -p |
| 12:18.20 | Cristi4n | heart5 nothing returned |
| 12:18.46 | Cristi4n | heart5 do you have another address for debian packages, or shoud I look for it ? |
| 12:18.51 | heart5 | If you cannot find the opendchub, you may have to add a website that have the software to sources.list. |
| 12:19.26 | Cristi4n | heart5 ok thank you again |
| 12:19.45 | heart5 | I have no idea for the software, so you have find it by yourself form the net |
| 12:19.53 | heart5 | No thanks. |
| 12:20.10 | heart5 | You can help yourself. |
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| 12:22.08 | sdakota | where can I find the network install ISO ? |
| 12:22.22 | valdyn | DaBlade: and.. : update-rc.d foo start <priority> S |
| 12:22.34 | blondie | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 12:22.45 | DaBlade | wait, I got an idea.. is it possible just to symlink to the binary? |
| 12:22.48 | sdakota | blondie: thanks |
| 12:23.04 | valdyn | DaBlade: that's one horrible idea |
| 12:23.10 | DaBlade | why? |
| 12:23.12 | jelly | DaBlade: make a copy of skeleton, called eg. peerguard or something. Fill in the variables DESCRIPTION, NAME, DAEMON, PIDFILE. In DAEMON put the full path to the binary. Then append -- and your options "-d -c /etc/..." to the end of the start-stop-daemon invocation in d_start() function. That's it. |
| 12:23.32 | DaBlade | Sh |
| 12:23.41 | DaBlade | Dammit, I don't have time for that, I gotta go now. lol |
| 12:24.26 | sdakota | what's a businesscard? |
| 12:24.28 | jelly | DaBlade: yeah, it takes about a minute, you don't have that. |
| 12:24.39 | DaBlade | right. |
| 12:24.40 | DaBlade | adios |
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| 12:26.52 | sdakota | what's a businesscard? |
| 12:27.00 | blondie | a business card |
| 12:27.25 | abrotman | don't use it |
| 12:27.25 | valdyn | sdakota: there's cdroms with the shape of a business card. |
| 12:27.28 | hent | sdakota: normally means that it will fit on a businesscard size cdrom |
| 12:27.37 | sdakota | allright |
| 12:27.44 | abrotman | use the 110MB image |
| 12:27.52 | sdakota | well I don't have businesscard CD's so i'll take the bigger one |
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| 12:28.24 | hent | sdakota: listen to abrotman :) |
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| 12:28.56 | abrotman | thank god they didn't call the netinst the "miniCD netinst" |
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| 12:29.12 | hent | mass confusion :P |
| 12:29.20 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 12:29.21 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 12:29.46 | sdakota | !sing drunk dpkg |
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| 12:30.00 | sdakota | !sing drunk-dpkg |
| 12:30.10 | sdakota | jeez - why doesn't it listen to me :( |
| 12:30.26 | hent | you never fed him batteries |
| 12:30.27 | blondie | it doesn't love you |
| 12:30.34 | hent | her* |
| 12:30.46 | hent | !gender dpkg |
| 12:30.47 | dpkg | hent is cowboyneal |
| 12:30.51 | hent | o.O |
| 12:30.54 | blondie | lol |
| 12:31.03 | abrotman | !love sdakota |
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| 12:34.51 | sdakota | !love its |
| 12:34.55 | sdakota | lol |
| 12:34.58 | sdakota | !love itself |
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| 12:35.08 | sdakota | ^_^ |
| 12:35.27 | sdakota | !love nobody |
| 12:35.37 | sdakota | ^_^ |
| 12:35.50 | sdakota | !sing nobody |
| 12:35.55 | sdakota | ajj... |
| 12:35.56 | heart5 | :) |
| 12:35.58 | Eulex | !botabuse |
| 12:35.58 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 12:36.06 | M_Cheevy | evening ppls... |
| 12:36.10 | sdakota | ah whatever, Eulex :/ |
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| 12:36.35 | sdakota | Hent, are you from dutch casema? o.O |
| 12:37.00 | sdakota | hent, betekent dat dat je ook nederlands kan..? |
| 12:37.05 | hent | well I am from Holland, and I connect via casema yes :) |
| 12:37.14 | hent | but keep it english in here please |
| 12:37.23 | sdakota | yea, ofcourse, just wanted to know ;) |
| 12:37.29 | M_Cheevy | can anyone point me to a good overview of migrating from device-mapper to udev? |
| 12:38.40 | piebo | hi, do you know how to copy debian cds to hard disk and make them available to dselect? |
| 12:39.23 | hent | piebo: you can also tell apt to look for packages from the cd, and it will tell you which one to insert |
| 12:39.56 | piebo | hent: I know, but swithing the cds is cumbersome, and the drive has got problems. |
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| 12:40.22 | silya | hi all! what is FAI? please link me |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | !udev |
| 12:40.30 | dpkg | methinks udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 12:40.51 | Eulex | !fai |
| 12:40.51 | dpkg | it has been said that fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 12:40.53 | abrotman | piebo: mount them over loopback |
| 12:41.03 | hent | piebo: aah ok, well i guess you could mount the iso's and add them that way, but im not sure if that is best way |
| 12:41.03 | cahoot | M_Cheevy: or maybe this http://webpages.charter.net/decibelshelp/LinuxHelp_UDEVPrimer.html |
| 12:41.34 | hent | piebo: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/toCd /mount/point |
| 12:41.47 | M_Cheevy | cahoot: that's probably the one.. playing with dmraid ain't easy |
| 12:42.17 | M_Cheevy | cahoot: mind you his colour choices... ugh! |
| 12:42.27 | sdakota | if I have 3 harddrives, hda (6gb), hdc(40gb), hdd(15gb) then what do you recommend as partitioning? I'm using the system as a server (so at least enough /var and swap space) |
| 12:42.39 | piebo | Ok, thank you I'll try |
| 12:42.43 | cahoot | M_Cheevy: huh - using X ? |
| 12:42.52 | abrotman | piebo: make the images with dd |
| 12:42.55 | abrotman | oh well |
| 12:43.15 | M_Cheevy | cahoot: nope... still barely pass the bootable kernel stage of a debootstrap install |
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| 12:43.36 | blunted | hey |
| 12:43.54 | blunted | i need some help making a new kernel |
| 12:43.55 | sdakota | !hate test |
| 12:43.55 | dpkg | I hate you, test! |
| 12:44.03 | sdakota | !hate myself! |
| 12:44.10 | abrotman | sdakota: please don't |
| 12:44.13 | hent | abrotman: aah I forgot to add "cdImage" to that -.- |
| 12:44.16 | sdakota | ok |
| 12:44.36 | abrotman | hent: hopefully he'll realize it and come back and ask :) |
| 12:44.42 | M_Cheevy | !hate himself |
| 12:44.43 | hent | abrotman: hehe :) |
| 12:44.43 | dpkg | I hate himself! |
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| 12:44.52 | blunted | i am not sure what files to copy |
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| 12:44.59 | blunted | to like /boot/ |
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| 12:45.25 | hent | blunted: how did you make your kernel? (make-kpkg?) |
| 12:45.29 | blunted | no |
| 12:45.33 | blunted | from source |
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| 12:46.09 | blunted | whats make-kpkg |
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| 12:46.15 | abrotman | !kp |
| 12:46.16 | dpkg | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 12:46.50 | blunted | oh i dont think thats what i need |
| 12:47.05 | blunted | because i have to pick my sound driver off the list of crap or else it wont work |
| 12:47.06 | hent | havent used other than make-kpkg for so long :P, but i guess you gotta move vmlinuz there, and if you used initrd that to |
| 12:47.23 | hent | blunted: there is a debian way of compiling from source, make-kpkg |
| 12:47.27 | sdakota | if I have 3 harddrives, hda (6gb), hdc(40gb), hdd(15gb) then what do you recommend as partitioning? I'm using the system as a server (so at least enough /var and swap space) |
| 12:47.28 | M_Cheevy | blunted: no, this applies to you... |
| 12:47.31 | blunted | oh |
| 12:47.39 | blunted | so do i just type that? |
| 12:47.43 | blunted | and it will do somethin |
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| 12:48.02 | M_Cheevy | blunted: once you've done with your config step, then do a make-kpkg |
| 12:48.43 | hent | blunted: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
| 12:49.28 | sdakota | how to set up an SSH console befóre installation starts? |
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| 12:50.00 | sdakota | it was something like boot argument: "server-expert UseSSH=true ipaddress=(ipaddress) username=root password=(password)" or something... |
| 12:50.26 | IquO | hi, i have an intel mobile processor with the acpi working perfectly but don't know why i cannot read the temperature, it always shows 11C, in fact i cannot see it in the BIOS either. What can this be? |
| 12:51.03 | sdakota | IquO maybe it ís always 11C ;) |
| 12:51.12 | IquO | sdakota i'm sure it's not :P |
| 12:51.24 | sdakota | ok (= |
| 12:51.28 | hent | IquO: if it doesnt show like it should in the bios, it's prob a hardware issues, something not debian related atleast |
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| 12:52.28 | IquO | hent yes, it could be, but it's not shown in the bios because in doesn't have a hardware monitor section, but i''ve read that the intel mobile have a thermal diode... |
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| 12:53.04 | hent | IquO: aah, then excuse my ignorance, Don't know much about those kinda readings |
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| 12:53.20 | IquO | hent, no problem... |
| 12:53.24 | IquO | :) |
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| 12:53.34 | abrotman | IquO: broken sensor ? |
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| 12:54.05 | elurin | q |
| 12:54.07 | abrotman | IquO: it could still be broken .. does the mobo have a bios update ? |
| 12:54.10 | IquO | abrotman , don't know! any way of knowing it |
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| 12:54.45 | IquO | abrotman i have been looking for a bios update but as it's not a brand mobile i haven't found anything |
| 12:55.24 | abrotman | not a brand mobile ? |
| 12:55.34 | Anthro | Does anyone know of a simple way of generating a .ics file from a list of dates and event titles? |
| 12:55.44 | sdakota | how to install Debian using SSH? it was something like boot argument: "server-expert UseSSH=true ipaddress=(ipaddress) username=root password=(password)" or something... |
| 12:56.19 | abrotman | wtf is a .ics ? |
| 12:56.43 | IquO | abrotman a clonic |
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| 12:56.54 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:57.02 | Anthro | abrotman: icalendar. It's the file type used by Sunbird, Apple's iCal, and various other calendaring applications. |
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| 12:57.18 | abrotman | Anthro: do you have the file format ? |
| 12:57.44 | abrotman | sdakota: #debian-boot might know |
| 12:57.44 | sdakota | abrotman: how to install Debian using SSH? it was something like boot argument: "server-expert UseSSH=true ipaddress=(ipaddress) username=root password=(password)" or something... |
| 12:57.47 | abrotman | if they're awake |
| 12:57.47 | sdakota | ok |
| 12:57.52 | abrotman | !ig |
| 12:57.52 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 12:57.55 | abrotman | sdakota: ^^ |
| 12:58.02 | Anthro | abrotman: Hell, I have the RFC that describes it. The problem is that it's excessively complicated. I could write an awk script if I were willing to understand the whole file format. |
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| 12:58.19 | abrotman | Anthro: don't you have a current sample ? |
| 12:58.57 | Anthro | abrotman: Sure. It's more than a little hard to read. I'll spit some out for you on #flood if you like. |
| 12:59.00 | sdakota | abrotman, btw. you can use "!tell sdakota about ig" instead of "!ig" then "sdakota: above" |
| 12:59.19 | fry | is it possible to map user www directories to http://username.domain.tld? I tried "UserDir http://*.domain.tld/" with mod_userdir, but it doesn't work |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | dudes .. Danger Mouse seasons 1&2 is now only 21$!!! |
| 12:59.30 | abrotman | sdakota: i know i can |
| 12:59.33 | Anthro | abrotman: What? Where? |
| 12:59.37 | abrotman | Anthro: amazon |
| 12:59.52 | Anthro | abrotman: Dude! |
| 12:59.53 | abrotman | Anthro: sure .. paste a line or two |
| 13:00.08 | abrotman | Anthro: don't pick on me .. i liked that show |
| 13:00.09 | Anthro | abrotman: One sec. Join #flood if you haven't. |
| 13:00.10 | sdakota | fry: try #apache |
| 13:00.26 | fry | sounds like a good idea. Thanks. |
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| 13:01.00 | abrotman | i only knew because it was still in my shopping cart for some reason |
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| 13:02.00 | bbrazil | fry: mod_rewrite |
| 13:02.11 | luca_p | ho qualche problema con l'installazione di alcuni pacchetti, qualcuno mi puň aiutare? |
| 13:02.23 | fry | so it isn't possible with mod_userdir? Too bad. Alright, thanks. |
| 13:02.34 | Anthro | abrotman: So you see, it is full of nastiness. |
| 13:02.36 | Anthro | !es |
| 13:02.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:02.51 | cahoot | italian probably |
| 13:03.07 | luca_p | perdon.. iv some problems with packs install |
| 13:03.10 | abrotman | Anthro: well .. afaik .. most of that is mozilla stuffs .. but the UID is generated when the event is created .. you're going to have to find out if you can import them from some file |
| 13:03.12 | Anthro | cahoot: Yeah, I think you're right. |
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| 13:03.16 | luca_p | yes italian, im sorry |
| 13:03.24 | Anthro | !it |
| 13:03.25 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 13:04.05 | Anthro | abrotman: Yeah. I was hoping for some conveniently scriptable thing that would expect lines with event information or something. |
| 13:04.06 | bbrazil | fry: no, mod_userdir only does domain/~username |
| 13:04.11 | abrotman | Anthro: like if you can find out if sunbird will accept something like <date>,<timestart>,<timeend>,<eventtitle> |
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| 13:04.30 | abrotman | Anthro: see if anyone knows (i would hope there's a sunbird cahnnel) at irc.mozilla.org |
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| 13:04.39 | thomaz_ | i have a problem with my custom kernel. i compiled it and when i try to boot it, it will boot but no picture appears on the display. i have sis graphics card on my acer laptop. i did include sis from kernelconfig. what could be wrong? |
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| 13:05.03 | Anthro | abrotman: Sunbird isn't particularly scriptable. And I have 613 of these entries, so I don't want to enter them by hand. I'm looking into a Ruby solution at the moment, but since I am just learning ruby... |
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| 13:05.24 | abrotman | Anthro: yeah .. but the people in #calendar might know a very very simple way to do it |
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| 13:05.35 | abrotman | err Anthro #calendar on irc.mozilla.org |
| 13:05.43 | Anthro | abrotman: Ah, I was just about to ask. |
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| 13:07.38 | abrotman | Anthro: it appears that sunbird can import csv's |
| 13:08.12 | Anthro | abrotman: Indeed! Okay, I have to check that out. A csv would be easy to produce. |
| 13:08.34 | abrotman | Anthro: those commas are tricky .. watch out! .. they bite! |
| 13:08.43 | Anthro | abrotman: I actually have the list in a postgresql table. |
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| 13:09.28 | abrotman | Anthro: ah .. ok |
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| 13:14.02 | abrotman | !4*75 |
| 13:14.02 | dpkg | 300 |
| 13:14.05 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 13:15.22 | abrotman | Anthro: are you always up this early ? |
| 13:16.35 | bizkit | !math |
| 13:16.36 | dpkg | It's maths, not math, damn it. You don't say "I like mathematic", it's "I like mathematics". |
| 13:16.39 | bizkit | :p |
| 13:16.45 | abrotman | it's also #math iirc |
| 13:16.56 | Anthro | abrotman: I wake up around 5am on weekdays, so I don't manage to sleep all that late on weekends unless I get to bed really late. |
| 13:17.17 | abrotman | Anthro: i know the feeling . i went to bed around 1am .. and woke about 630 :) |
| 13:17.35 | Anthro | abrotman: Yeesh. Sorry to hear it. I had some cats to help wake me up, of course. |
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| 13:17.49 | abrotman | Anthro: no .. it's ok . i don't mind . ijust have to shovel snow today :) |
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| 13:18.00 | smhar | ok.. I am back :-) |
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| 13:18.05 | smhar | this time from debian |
| 13:18.05 | abrotman | if i even do that .. yay for german engineering |
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| 13:18.06 | Anthro | abrotman: Heh. I should shovel the walk but... I don't own a shovel. |
| 13:18.29 | smhar | network driver problem solved |
| 13:18.35 | abrotman | Anthro: well .. hopefully your community doesn't have laws about it |
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| 13:19.11 | Anthro | Not that I know of. |
| 13:19.29 | abrotman | a lot of the ones around here have some stupid 24hr law |
| 13:19.29 | Anthro | I might get some salt. I wish the front of our house got more sun in the winter. |
| 13:20.12 | smhar | Anthro, come to my house :-) |
| 13:20.15 | abrotman | salt won't cut it for me .. i got like 5" of snow |
| 13:20.32 | smhar | what is winter? :-) |
| 13:20.46 | Anthro | abrotman: Where are you? We got a few inches (enough for me to telecommute yesterday), but a lot of it melted during the day. |
| 13:20.48 | abrotman | smhar: you live in honduras ? |
| 13:20.56 | abrotman | Anthro: outside philly |
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| 13:21.06 | lo- | ny idea whats the difference between ipsec in tunnel mode and in transport mode? |
| 13:21.27 | Anthro | abrotman: I'm a bit south of Baltimore. I wouldn't expect it to be all that much different. |
| 13:21.28 | smhar | abrotman, no.. in the middle east.. in the Persian Gulf.. |
| 13:21.48 | smhar | I am going unstable this time |
| 13:21.58 | abrotman | smhar: oh |
| 13:22.00 | Anthro | smhar: I have a friend in Bahrain who took a picture of Santa Claus with a camel in the background. Most amusing. |
| 13:22.03 | abrotman | Anthro: i used to live outside baltimiore |
| 13:22.15 | Anthro | abrotman: Whereabouts? |
| 13:22.16 | abrotman | when i was a kid .. reistertown i think it was called |
| 13:22.21 | smhar | Anthro, I am living in Bahrain |
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| 13:22.34 | Anthro | abrotman: Yes, I'm familiar with it. I grew up in Columbia. |
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| 13:23.17 | smhar | does irssi have a tab completion feature to complete the nick names? |
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| 13:23.29 | vega- | smhar: yes |
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| 13:23.43 | Anthro | Why haven't the spambots gone away? Was defaulting to ignoring messages from unregistered nicks insufficient? |
| 13:23.45 | icaro | ciao |
| 13:23.51 | abrotman | smhar: of course! |
| 13:23.55 | Ronin | Anthro: likely never will go away |
| 13:23.56 | smhar | vega-: ok.. working now thanks |
| 13:24.10 | abrotman | !tell Slashrk about root |
| 13:24.20 | abrotman | Ronin: i blame canada |
| 13:24.29 | Ronin | abrotman: hey now, cant blame us for everything |
| 13:24.50 | abrotman | Ronin: just wait til we pin this war on the lovely citizens of Yellowknife! |
| 13:24.56 | Ronin | i dont care what south park says about blaming us either |
| 13:25.38 | smhar | abrotman: camels are not very common in Bahrain.. you should check Saudi Arabia.. I lived there for a decade |
| 13:25.39 | Anthro | I blame Nunuvit. I mean, announcing a new province with that name on April Fools' Day. What were they thinking? |
| 13:25.49 | abrotman | smhar: you mean Anthro ? |
| 13:25.59 | smhar | abrotman: oops |
| 13:26.03 | abrotman | heh |
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| 13:26.18 | Anthro | smhar: I've never been to Bahrain, but this friend of mine was called up from the reserves because she was needed there. |
| 13:27.20 | smhar | Anthro: it is a nice country most people prefer it on Kuwait, Qatar an certainly SA |
| 13:27.34 | abrotman | smhar: prefer it over ? |
| 13:27.45 | smhar | abrotman: oops again |
| 13:27.46 | abrotman | smhar: wait .. didn't you get michael jackson ? |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | hehe .. |
| 13:28.26 | Ronin | heh |
| 13:28.34 | Ronin | you can keep him there too |
| 13:28.35 | abrotman | apparently so .. he bought an island home |
| 13:29.02 | poop | I thought he was having financial trouble? |
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| 13:29.09 | abrotman | http://imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-11-15#celeb7 |
| 13:29.24 | smhar | abrotman: I've read in the newspapers that he bought a huge land there to live.. I am not sure if it was built yet or not.. but it is near one of the palace of one of the big people here.. one of the rulling family members |
| 13:29.26 | abrotman | poop: again with the poop! |
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| 13:32.00 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 13:32.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:34.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: ping! |
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| 13:37.27 | koudelka_ | can anyone recomend a good program for burning data dvd-r? |
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| 13:37.55 | muep | k3b? |
| 13:37.57 | dondelelcaro | koudelka_: dvd+rw-tools |
| 13:38.11 | koudelka_ | thats not dvd+ ? |
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| 13:38.56 | bartden | hi, i hope someone can help me out with this error, i have googled , searched lists, but didnt find any solution, the error is quiet logn so i posted in a txt file on http://users.telenet.be/denotte/samba/error.txt my smb.conf is located at http://users.telenet.be/denotte/samba/smb.conf , when i do netstat i see that wins is running at my LAn interface, and i have applied all winxp pathes and added the wins server ip to my interface, |
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| 13:39.06 | muep | koudelka_: I don't have a dvd drive but my k3b says something about dvd+rw-tools |
| 13:39.18 | koudelka_ | hum seems like i got that |
| 13:39.20 | abrotman | gah... why do companies think proprietary batteries are a good thing!??!!? |
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| 13:39.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they see CHACHING CHACHING. |
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| 13:40.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i blame the stock holders :) |
| 13:40.20 | bigboss | Hallo hätte mal ne Frage zur Software Installation in Debian |
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| 13:40.26 | bigboss | bzw linux |
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| 13:40.47 | abrotman | !de |
| 13:40.47 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 13:41.01 | koudelka_ | i got gnomebaker and graveman but nither of them seems to find my dvd-r disk >< |
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| 13:44.33 | koudelka_ | Error monterar /media/cdrom0. |
| 13:44.33 | koudelka_ | umount: /media/cdrom0 |
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| 13:45.14 | abrotman | what are you trying to mount ? |
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| 13:45.20 | koudelka_ | nothing |
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| 13:45.30 | koudelka_ | trying to burn a dvd |
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| 13:45.38 | koudelka_ | with gnomebaker |
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| 13:46.10 | abrotman | you don't mount things before you burn them |
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| 13:46.48 | koudelka_ | after that error i get "please insert a writeabel disk in the burner" |
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| 13:47.20 | abrotman | stupid damn bots |
| 13:47.22 | koudelka_ | it's gnomebaker that mounts something |
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| 13:50.53 | koudelka_ | graveman also tells me to insert a writeable dvd |
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| 13:52.04 | koudelka_ | is there any other gui burning programs? |
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| 13:52.39 | abrotman | eroaster/k3b/xcdroast |
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| 13:55.14 | atom-z | I'm having some problems with stability:- since I apt-get updated mozilla yesterday, it now segfaults when loading certain websites |
| 13:55.21 | atom-z | the same thing happens with galeon |
| 13:56.05 | atom-z | (i'm using etch-x64) |
| 13:56.24 | takatumi | atom-z: checked bts? |
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| 13:57.29 | atom-z | bts? |
| 13:57.37 | Ronin | !bts |
| 13:57.38 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 13:58.52 | takatumi | http://fabre.debian.net broken link, what was it? |
| 13:59.03 | bBaebelfish_Lap | !seen x-un-l |
| 13:59.03 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'x-un-l', bBaebelfish_Lap |
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| 14:02.52 | abrotman | takatumi: full text search of the BTS |
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| 14:03.15 | takatumi | abrotman: useful. |
| 14:03.24 | abrotman | takatumi: well . it was :) |
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| 14:04.19 | takatumi | abrotman: lets file a bug. ;) |
| 14:04.51 | abrotman | takatumi: it was unofficial . one of the japanese developers had mentioned it on planet.d.n .. i thought it was useful and threw it in the factoid |
| 14:05.07 | traian | hello |
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| 14:05.24 | traian | what can i do about this error |
| 14:05.27 | traian | checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp |
| 14:05.27 | traian | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
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| 14:06.12 | abrotman | !b-e traian |
| 14:06.12 | dpkg | traian: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 14:06.23 | traian | ok |
| 14:06.26 | traian | let's try :_ |
| 14:06.28 | traian | :) |
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| 14:09.11 | arpa- | Which program lets me set disk quotas and memory quotas? |
| 14:10.43 | dondelelcaro | arpa-: edquota |
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| 14:11.24 | dondelelcaro | arpa-: also, see quotatool and quota. |
| 14:12.00 | traian | it worked but i have a new error now :( |
| 14:12.19 | dondelelcaro | traian: what are you trying to build? |
| 14:12.21 | traian | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes |
| 14:12.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did you wake up really early .. or are you still up ? |
| 14:12.39 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: still up |
| 14:12.49 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 14:13.21 | traian | i am tryin to install a picture viewing program |
| 14:13.34 | traian | and i get this configure errors |
| 14:15.20 | traian | what should i do? |
| 14:15.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but . it's like 6am there :) |
| 14:15.30 | traian | another package to install? |
| 14:15.37 | abrotman | traian: WHICH program? |
| 14:15.57 | traian | gwenview |
| 14:16.02 | traian | but i thing i |
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| 14:16.15 | traian | but i thing i'll get the same error in every configure |
| 14:16.19 | traian | of any program |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | what error ? |
| 14:16.42 | traian | error: Can't find X includes |
| 14:16.55 | abrotman | traian: apt-get install gwenview .. doesn't work ? |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | !info gwenview sarge |
| 14:17.16 | dpkg | gwenview: (image viewer for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1039 kB, Installed size: 2636 kB |
| 14:17.26 | traian | i searched and it's not a deb |
| 14:17.33 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | !info gwenview sid |
| 14:17.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: 6:17, yes... |
| 14:17.53 | traian | ups |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: go to sleep .. fix later! |
| 14:17.59 | traian | it is :) |
| 14:18.04 | traian | sorry |
| 14:18.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not tired yet... |
| 14:18.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: jeez . i just woke a few hours ago . i'm tired :) |
| 14:18.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh |
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| 14:18.52 | arpa- | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 14:18.54 | dondelelcaro | well, I did wake up at 11 or something... so... |
| 14:18.56 | abrotman | bah . i should really go shovel snow |
| 14:18.59 | dpkg | gwenview: (image viewer for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2140 kB, Installed size: 3960 kB |
| 14:19.05 | dondelelcaro | arpa-: np |
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| 14:19.43 | tof | does "apt-get install -t testing cinepaint" normally installs cinepaint from testing (assuming I have unstable installes, and a testing line and an unstable line in sources.list)? |
| 14:19.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ah, the joys of living in places where it snows. I'm so glad I lived in an apartment when I was in rochester. |
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| 14:20.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i do live in an Apt .. but my lease says i have to do my own .. but yes .. i'd rather live somewhere it doesn't snow .. or get cold |
| 14:20.46 | Ronin | abrotman: when your done how about doing my driveway :) |
| 14:21.04 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i have a question, is there some setting i can enable, so dhcp try's forever to get a ip tru dhcp ? cause now if dhcp server goes down, and after like 1hour it comes back, dhcp doesn't seems to get a new ip :s |
| 14:21.17 | abrotman | Ronin: you live in canada .. |
| 14:21.35 | abrotman | Ronin: i thought everyone there owned a snowmobile for winter months ;) |
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| 14:23.21 | |DuReX| | somebody ? |
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| 14:24.05 | abrotman | |DuReX|: why is your dhcp server going down for an hour ? |
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| 14:24.34 | Ronin | abrotman: im a new home owner, i cant afford to get arrested never mind a snowmobile :) |
| 14:24.45 | blondie | durex the condom company? o.O |
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| 14:24.53 | paperinik | Ciao Ho dei problemi con il modem isdn quando vado per aggiungere la periferica con isdnctrl addif ippp0 mi da: Can't open /dev/isdninfo or /dev/isdn/isdninfo: No such file or directory cosa devo fare?? vi ringrazio |
| 14:24.57 | abrotman | Ronin: you get arrested for owning a snowmobile ? |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:25.11 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:25.13 | Ronin | abrotman: well seeing as most folks ride them drunk |
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| 14:26.15 | abrotman | Ronin: that seems silly .. there's no roll cage |
| 14:26.17 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i have a question, is there some setting i can enable, so dhcp try's forever to get a ip tru dhcp ? cause now if dhcp server goes down, and after like 1hour it comes back, dhcp doesn't seems to get a new ip :s |
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| 14:26.41 | blondie | |DuReX|: didn't you ask that 5 minutes ago? |
| 14:26.47 | abrotman | |DuReX|: /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 14:26.56 | |DuReX| | abrotman: but what setting is it ? :s |
| 14:26.57 | takatumi | |DuReX|: look at the timeout statement in man 5 dhclient.conf |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | blondie: less than that . and why would your dhcp server go down for an hour |
| 14:27.09 | abrotman | |DuReX|: read the man page for the conf file |
| 14:27.12 | jsmidt | I am trying to install maple7 and get this error:libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Anybody know what I can do? |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | !find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 sarge |
| 14:27.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2' returned no results. |
| 14:28.00 | valdyn | jsmidt: yell at your vendor for relying on such a fucked up soname? |
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| 14:28.13 | |DuReX| | abrotman: i have shit isp :( |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | |DuReX|: apparently |
| 14:28.59 | valdyn | jsmidt: maybe maple7 will just work though if you create a link of that name to your real libstdc++ |
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| 14:29.11 | valdyn | jsmidt: ...and run ldconfig after that |
| 14:29.22 | |DuReX| | if dhcp server doens't give ip, it should check every 5min again |
| 14:29.28 | |DuReX| | and it should just never stop checking |
| 14:30.02 | abrotman | |DuReX|: i don't undersatnd .. if you already have an IP .. what's the problem ? |
| 14:30.18 | jsmidt | valdyn how do you creat a link? |
| 14:30.23 | abrotman | man ln |
| 14:30.24 | valdyn | jsmidt: man ln |
| 14:30.36 | jsmidt | thanks |
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| 14:31.09 | |DuReX| | abrotman: if i get ip for 3600sec, and suddenly dhcp server dies for 2 hours, dhcp request times out, and after 5min it checks again, but if its still down, it stops checking for dhcp answers :s |
| 14:31.23 | |DuReX| | it should never stop requesting dhcp |
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| 14:31.49 | valdyn | |DuReX|: why don't you read the manpage? |
| 14:31.53 | jsmidt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.53 | takatumi | |DuReX|: look at the man page, there are a few options which may solve your problem, fiddle with timeout and retry maybe. |
| 14:32.05 | valdyn | jsmidt: its in /usr/lib/ |
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| 14:32.40 | abrotman | |DuReX|: that's a really crummy ISp |
| 14:32.43 | valdyn | jsmidt: ..and if it is not - install it |
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| 14:32.59 | abrotman | !find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so sarge |
| 14:33.10 | valdyn | omg no, not that one ) |
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| 14:33.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so' returned no results. |
| 14:33.35 | blue_sky | not exactly important but does anyone know what package provides the ChickenSoup (and similar) wallpaper packages? |
| 14:33.36 | blondie | |DuReX|: get a new ISP then, or complain to them |
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| 14:33.48 | |DuReX| | they are cheap :P |
| 14:33.58 | blondie | you get what you pay for, I guess |
| 14:33.59 | valdyn | !find usr/lib/libstdc++.so sarge |
| 14:34.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/lib/libstdc++.so' returned no results. |
| 14:34.32 | valdyn | !find 'usr/lib/libstdc++.so*' sarge |
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| 14:34.59 | abrotman | !find libstdc++-libc6.*.so sarge |
| 14:35.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.*.so' returned no results. |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | !find libstdc++-libc6 sarge |
| 14:35.44 | valdyn | 15:34 <dpkg> search string looks fuzzy. |
| 14:35.51 | abrotman | valdyn: hehe |
| 14:35.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6' returned no results. |
| 14:36.03 | abrotman | there is no C++ in sarge |
| 14:36.10 | bbrazil | there's libstdc++5 |
| 14:36.10 | valdyn | !find libstdc++ sarge |
| 14:36.12 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (13): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-dbg ;; libstdc++6-dev ;; libstdc++6-doc ;; libstdc++6-pic. |
| 14:36.39 | valdyn | uh, is find no longer searching for files |
| 14:37.03 | tof | ?? I'm trying to install cinepaint from unstable, as I'm in unstable and unstable version seems to need a not upgraded yet library. I can't manage to do that, any clues? (I tried apt-get install -t unstable cinepaint, tried to put pin: release testing in preferences...) How can I do that simply? |
| 14:37.40 | blondie | what |
| 14:37.42 | abrotman | valdyn: tell the bot owner! |
| 14:37.51 | treyh0 | whenever i try to install ntpdate from unstable i get the authentication warning message, but all of the other packages i've installed didn't give me the warning, what's going on? |
| 14:37.53 | valdyn | dpkg, who made you |
| 14:37.53 | dpkg | xk did. |
| 14:38.02 | abrotman | valdyn: who owns you |
| 14:38.09 | valdyn | dpkg, who owns you |
| 14:38.09 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 14:38.10 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: it'll only search for files if they don't match packages. |
| 14:38.16 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: i see |
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| 14:38.26 | dondelelcaro | !find /libstdc++5 |
| 14:38.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/libstdc++5' returned no results. |
| 14:38.35 | valdyn | !find libstdc++.so.5 sarge |
| 14:38.49 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
| 14:38.49 | dondelelcaro | so in this case, you want /libstdc++ or something. |
| 14:38.58 | dondelelcaro | anyway, play with /msg... |
| 14:38.59 | valdyn | !find lib/libstdc++.so.5 sarge |
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| 14:39.04 | valdyn | yea |
| 14:39.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lib/libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
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| 14:39.38 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: appears to be broken somehow |
| 14:39.46 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: not finding files i clearly have |
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| 14:42.01 | tof | sorry, I wasn't clear : I have unstable and I want to install a package from testing. How to do that? |
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| 14:42.19 | abrotman | what's wrong with the unstable one ? |
| 14:42.50 | valdyn | tof: why do you think you need the testing one? |
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| 14:44.06 | tof | because the unstable one seems to need a lib wich is not here... (cinepaint depends libopenexr2c2a but will not be installed) |
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| 14:44.28 | valdyn | tof: 'will not be installed' does not mean 'does not exist' |
| 14:44.34 | tof | and when I try to install libopenexr2c2a, apt-get wants to remove half of my kde packages... |
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| 14:45.07 | tof | valdyn, :-) yes it exists, but I want to keep some of my kde packages... |
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| 14:45.40 | valdyn | tof: using testing packages is not the right solution, you could recompile cinepaint yourself. |
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| 14:46.59 | valdyn | tof: apt-get build-dep cinepaint && apt-get -b source cinepaint |
| 14:47.23 | tof | valdyn, thanks for the tip, I try that right now, even if I don't really like it, because I will have to look from time to time to newer versions, compile them, instead of apt-get -u dselect-upgrade... But if I only have this solution... |
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| 14:47.42 | valdyn | tof: nah, over time that problem should fix itself |
| 14:48.10 | tof | :-) that's true, thank you for this optimistic view! |
| 14:48.30 | valdyn | tof: its how sid works, constantly something breaks to get fixed relatively quick |
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| 14:49.45 | tof | ;-) I thought I already learnt to be patient, but everyday is a new challenge... |
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| 14:53.09 | jsmidt | anybody know what this error is: undefined symbol: __vt_8iostream.3ios |
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| 14:57.16 | valdyn | jsmidt: means you picked the wrong libstdc++ |
| 14:57.30 | valdyn | jsmidt: ( i dont know if the 'right' one is even in debian |
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| 14:58.27 | valdyn | !info gcc-3.4 sarge |
| 14:58.30 | dpkg | gcc-3.4: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1457 kB, Installed size: 4188 kB |
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| 14:58.45 | valdyn | !find libstdc++ sarge |
| 14:58.47 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (13): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-dbg ;; libstdc++6-dev ;; libstdc++6-doc ;; libstdc++6-pic. |
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| 14:59.03 | abrotman | still ? |
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| 14:59.21 | valdyn | jsmidt: sarge has the packages 'libstdc++5 and libstdc++6 that you can both install and pick in between |
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| 14:59.57 | valdyn | jsmidt: one should provide libstdc++.so.5 and one libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 15:00.37 | valdyn | jsmidt: other than that your 'hack' worked it seems ) |
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| 15:02.00 | poeco | my kernel 2.6 doesent mount devfs |
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| 15:02.07 | poeco | oops. i was typing |
| 15:03.25 | poeco | my kernel 2.6 doesent mount devfs (depreceated?). so after boot /dev/input/mice dosent exist so X wont start because no core pointer. how do i set udev or something so that X will see /dev/input/mice and boot properly? |
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| 15:03.37 | dli | poeco, use udev |
| 15:03.46 | dli | poeco, apt-get install udev |
| 15:04.01 | poeco | dli: it will work automagically then? |
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| 15:04.17 | dli | poeco, yes |
| 15:04.20 | rossi | /dev/video0 cannot be accessed by kvdr anyone any hints why or what to do to get it working?? |
| 15:04.27 | poeco | dli: ok ill try thanks |
| 15:04.28 | dli | poeco, as far as mouse support is in kernel |
| 15:04.33 | poeco | yes |
| 15:04.50 | threat | I am having openoffice issues, I cant seem to get mail merging running corectly when I join two or more tables together |
| 15:04.58 | valdyn | rossi: you're in the video group? |
| 15:05.09 | abrotman | poeco: is mousedev loaded ? |
| 15:05.15 | abrotman | the module i mean |
| 15:05.17 | threat | openoffice anyone?>? |
| 15:05.19 | poeco | dli: i got udev already the newest version |
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| 15:05.31 | threat | hi |
| 15:05.32 | rossi | valdyn how to add? adduser rossi video ?? |
| 15:05.33 | threat | answer me please |
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| 15:05.44 | valdyn | rossi: yea and relogin |
| 15:05.44 | Reilithion | threat, try #openoffice |
| 15:06.01 | poeco | abrotman: i dont know |
| 15:06.10 | abrotman | poeco: lsmod |
| 15:06.12 | threat | Reilithion, I did |
| 15:06.15 | threat | Reilithion, no luck |
| 15:06.16 | rossi | already in group |
| 15:06.20 | threat | Reilithion, so you can help me? |
| 15:06.27 | Reilithion | !openoffice |
| 15:06.27 | dpkg | methinks openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 is in unstable. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 15:06.38 | threat | Reilithion, or at least recreate my problem and better explain it to #openoffice.org? |
| 15:06.52 | threat | OpenOffice 2 is now stable |
| 15:06.57 | threat | please update dpkg |
| 15:07.01 | rossi | when I search for video0 I find /dev/.static/dev/video0 |
| 15:07.23 | rossi | well v4l-conf also doesnt find /dev/video0 |
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| 15:07.35 | threat | I see |
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| 15:09.04 | Tenkawa | Anyone know of a debian install image that can use the nforce 430 sata driver? |
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| 15:11.15 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 15:11.21 | valdyn | Tenkawa: that one ^^ if any, i guess |
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| 15:11.44 | streuner_ | Tenkawa: /msg dpkg di |
| 15:11.47 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
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| 15:12.22 | valdyn | hmm, maybe all do though, nforce_sata isnt exactly new |
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| 15:16.20 | blondie | cuckoo! |
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| 15:17.54 | Reilithion | w00t! 666 people in the channel! |
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| 15:18.05 | cout_ | I'm trying to build fceu with apt-build, but configure keeps failing. config.log indicates it failed while executing i386-linux-gcc. the configure script passes if I run it by hand. any ideas? |
| 15:18.09 | Reilithion | Bobbi, you ruined it! |
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| 15:18.20 | threat | [02:15] threat When I join two or more tables together it doesnt create a mail for each primary key |
| 15:18.22 | threat | [02:16] threat it creates a mail for all data in the table, even if it has the same primary key which iswhat i dont want |
| 15:18.25 | threat | [02:17] threat E.G I have an invoice system that has invoice numbers as a primary key and itemised purhases as a multiple key that joins to another table that can have more the one record |
| 15:18.28 | threat | [02:17] threat instead of grouping the purchases it makes a seperate invoice for each purchase with the same Invoice number which is what I dont want |
| 15:18.31 | threat | [02:18] threat any ideas? |
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| 15:19.13 | Peterken | Hello all, i was woundering, i want to implement php5 to my debian system, but only when it is stable. Is there something like a schedule when they think they are going to release it as 'stable' in the debian apt list? |
| 15:19.38 | threat | hmmmm |
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| 15:19.46 | threat | Peterken, why? |
| 15:20.01 | Reilithion | threat, I'm afraid I not only do not know the answer to your question, I'm not even really sure what you're talking about. You'd probably have much more luck on some other channel, or on the openoffice.org website itself |
| 15:20.22 | threat | :/ |
| 15:20.31 | Reilithion | sorry |
| 15:20.35 | threat | Reilithion, do you know anything about databases? |
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| 15:20.41 | threat | np |
| 15:20.45 | Reilithion | threat, not a thing |
| 15:20.48 | threat | hehe ok :) |
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| 15:21.05 | Peterken | threat, because i like to know when PHP5 will be approximately available |
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| 15:21.18 | threat | never mind then :P but thank you for your responds, its better then nothing at all :) |
| 15:21.27 | threat | why |
| 15:21.28 | threat | ? |
| 15:21.36 | Reilithion | wish I could've helped |
| 15:21.37 | Peterken | because i want to use it? |
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| 15:23.00 | harleyg | does anyone have the aircrack docs? |
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| 15:24.04 | threat | Reilithion, hehe its fine :) you may be able to help me with another problem I have |
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| 15:24.10 | threat | I mean problems :) |
| 15:24.34 | threat | you know any hting about LDAP? or RADIUS? or wireless APs running on Linux? |
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| 15:25.26 | Sitherious | quick question, i have the 2.2.20 kernel how do i update it to the 2.4 ? |
| 15:25.37 | tof | valdyn, thanks a lot, cinepaint is compiiled and running right now! I didn't imagine it's so simple to compile a package... It even build the packages nedded by cinepaint!! That rocks! |
| 15:25.44 | Reilithion | a little about wireless stuff, since I use it |
| 15:27.05 | sac | I got a problem with ubuntu, its the server on my dialup, how do i connect my other linux system to use the bandwidth. |
| 15:27.12 | threat | Sitherious, no you would like to update to 2.6.* dont you mean ? |
| 15:27.18 | Reilithion | sac, ask on #ubuntu |
| 15:27.35 | threat | Reilithion, nice, I cant get bridging working with a wireless and wired NICE |
| 15:27.37 | threat | NICE |
| 15:27.38 | valdyn | tof: nah, not exactly, it just built a package required by the cinepaint package because that package is made from the same source package |
| 15:27.39 | threat | NIC |
| 15:27.41 | threat | even |
| 15:27.46 | Sitherious | threat, yes if thats the latest version |
| 15:27.59 | Reilithion | hmm. |
| 15:27.59 | threat | yes that sthe lateasestt |
| 15:28.10 | threat | you need to install A few progs though |
| 15:28.13 | sac | But i beleive the concept would be same as Ubuntu is built over debian and i am trying to connect debian systems |
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| 15:28.33 | threat | download the latest kernel and install the programs / packages it suggests in the changelog file |
| 15:28.43 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 15:28.43 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
| 15:28.43 | threat | I lie Ubinti |
| 15:29.45 | Sitherious | threat, any url on docs about upgrading the kernel? |
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| 15:29.45 | threat | Sitherious, I am a DOC :) |
| 15:30.01 | Reilithion | !ubuntusmite sac |
| 15:30.02 | Sitherious | threat, :) ok what progs do i need to apt? |
| 15:30.47 | sac | Heh |
| 15:31.01 | Reilithion | threat, this may help: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/ |
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| 15:32.43 | Reilithion | sac, it's seriously just a better idea to try asking in #ubuntu first. Their answers are consistently more relevant when dealing with ubuntu. Asking here is kind of a last resort. |
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| 15:33.16 | sac | Yes sir, You mean sense. |
| 15:33.24 | sac | Thanks |
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| 15:33.39 | Reilithion | np |
| 15:34.03 | Tenkawa | valdyn: nforce 430 uses a new sata driver.. go figure right? |
| 15:34.09 | Sitherious | threat, ? |
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| 15:36.14 | Tenkawa | I can get around the ethernet changes but sata is poving to be more difficult |
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| 15:41.24 | extr3m | how do i forcibly uninstall a package? im having problems uninstalling kdebluetooth, it gives errors and refuses to uninstall? but lots of things i need installed are depandent on the uninstallation of it |
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| 15:43.23 | threat | Reilithion, n |
| 15:43.26 | threat | o |
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| 15:45.06 | charlotte | hi |
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| 15:45.37 | Reilithion | hi |
| 15:45.41 | kimo | does anyone know how centrino/sempron/turion compare ? |
| 15:46.03 | blondie | centrino is not a CPU |
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| 15:46.26 | kimo | blondie: ah sorry, that'd be PM |
| 15:46.27 | Reilithion | !know |
| 15:46.27 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
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| 15:46.37 | blue_sky | can anyone tell me which package provides the cool ChickenSoup and similar desktop wallpaper images? |
| 15:46.41 | kimo | does anyone know how pentiumM/sempron/turion compare ? |
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| 15:47.45 | interoz | j/ #ubuntu |
| 15:47.48 | blondie | you may as well ask how apples and oranges comapre |
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| 15:47.58 | blondie | *compare |
| 15:48.00 | psychonate | blue_sky, chickensoup? |
| 15:48.02 | Sitherious | when i do apt-install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 15:48.27 | Sitherious | i et a huge warning message about initrd |
| 15:48.34 | psychonate | blue_sky, I know not of this wallpaper. If it's good I would like to see it; I'm always in the mood for a new wallpaper. |
| 15:48.36 | blue_sky | psychonate: yeah, there's a whole bunch of cool wallpapers, one is, IIRC chickensoup, but I can't find them. |
| 15:48.37 | kimo | blondie: ohh, excuse me. So, just let me know ur opinion |
| 15:48.51 | Sitherious | im a linux nub is there any safe way for me to update my kernel to the latest one? |
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| 15:49.49 | blue_sky | psychonate: it's definitely a .deb package 'cos that's all I ever install, may be a gnome or kde package but whatever it is, it isn't installed here and I can't find it. |
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| 15:51.13 | EleckttrusS-USA | somebody someone |
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| 15:51.20 | EleckttrusS-USA | hello |
| 15:52.03 | Sitherious | anyone? |
| 15:52.35 | blue_sky | psychonate: found it, it's chickensongs, not soup! The package is kdewallpapers |
| 15:52.57 | blondie | kimo: "intel suck" :p |
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| 15:53.09 | blue_sky | anyway, gotta go, thanks for nothin folks ;) |
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| 15:53.24 | paeco | Sitherious: whats up? |
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| 15:53.46 | paeco | how do i can set some modules to load among boot? |
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| 15:53.54 | Sitherious | paeco, i want to update my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.6.8 |
| 15:53.56 | blondie | /etc/modules |
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| 15:54.14 | Bro1 | im installing Windows on a debian machine |
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| 15:54.16 | jvw | Sitherious: just make sure you use an uptodate Debian (sarge or later) |
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| 15:54.26 | jvw | Sitherious: and keep the old kernel around for if it doesn't work |
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| 15:54.46 | Sitherious | uptodate? |
| 15:54.46 | Bro1 | i just shrunk /home with parted and now have 40G free at the end of my disc |
| 15:54.50 | paeco | Sitherious: so whats the problem? |
| 15:55.12 | jvw | Sitherious: yes, uptodate packages and such |
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| 15:55.30 | Sitherious | so i just run apt-get uptodate? |
| 15:55.33 | jvw | Sitherious: and using sarge/stable, etch/testing, or sid/unstable |
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| 15:55.52 | Reilithion | Sitherious, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:56.04 | valdyn | Sitherious: you do not really want to run tesing or unstable |
| 15:56.07 | Sitherious | reilithion i have done those already |
| 15:56.10 | paeco | Sitherious: you can get new kernel-image via synaptic or you can compile your own |
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| 15:56.26 | Sitherious | i dont know how to compile :( |
| 15:56.27 | paeco | Sitherious: then you need tools like bin86 and libncurses5-dev |
| 15:56.29 | jvw | I strongly suggest to use the Debian kernel |
| 15:56.39 | Bro1 | before that is |
| 15:56.39 | Bro1 | 1 boot type:primary |
| 15:56.39 | Bro1 | 2 / |
| 15:56.39 | Bro1 | 5 swap |
| 15:56.39 | Bro1 | 6 /home |
| 15:56.39 | Bro1 | 7 40G unpartitioned |
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| 15:56.52 | paeco | then just untar the kernel source to /usr/src/ and do make menuconfig |
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| 15:57.24 | Sitherious | i tryed apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 but i got a huge page warning about boot loader and initrd |
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| 15:57.31 | paeco | Sitherious: then config it and to make clean;make bzImage;make modules;make modules_install |
| 15:57.31 | jvw | paeco: please don't suggest people to compile their own kernel if there is no need and someone isn't experienced in it at all |
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| 15:57.52 | paeco | jvw: ok sorry |
| 15:57.54 | Reilithion | !tell bro1 about paste |
| 15:58.02 | valdyn | Sitherious: you want to read that warning |
| 15:58.13 | paeco | jvw: i just had my first experiences so id like to recall it |
| 15:58.13 | valdyn | Sitherious: 'page full of' doesnt help you or us |
| 15:58.18 | jvw | Sitherious: what bit of the warning is unclear to you? It's indeed not that trivial at first |
| 15:58.38 | psychonate | Does the 2.6* kernel have lirc support optional, or will I need the lirc-modules-source package? |
| 15:58.38 | DocTomoe | for some reason, my debian sid box no longer recognizes the hostname in /etc/hostname. /etc/hostname ist set to 755 and is non-empty. any ideas how to solve this problem? |
| 15:58.56 | Sitherious | want me to copy and paste? |
| 15:59.10 | valdyn | Sitherious: sure, just not in here |
| 15:59.13 | Bro1 | ok i didn't know i was fooding - Windows says that the MBR has a filesystem it cant read |
| 15:59.13 | jvw | Sitherious: if it's only the line or two you don't understand, sure |
| 15:59.16 | valdyn | !tell Sitherious -about paste |
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| 15:59.45 | jvw | Bro1: I think windows needs to be on the first filesystem, not sure though |
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| 16:00.16 | valdyn | doesnt need to |
| 16:00.21 | Sitherious | well its warning me about the bootloader and how i need to config it before isntalling a INITial Ram Disk |
| 16:00.28 | valdyn | ( depending on your windows release though ) |
| 16:00.59 | Bro1 | valydyn: ok so what should i do? delete the /boot partition and let Windows make a new one? |
| 16:01.12 | Bro1 | valydyn: Win 64bit |
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| 16:01.20 | Sitherious | i just want to get my sound working lol, and all the searches ive done points to everyone to upgrade there kernel |
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| 16:01.53 | Bro1 | jvw: do you reckon i should move all partitions 40G up? (including /boot) |
| 16:02.29 | valdyn | Bro1: i dont know, its a long time ago that i installed windows, but even 3 years ago it was installable on partiotions that were not the first one |
| 16:02.33 | jvw | Bro1: I'd first make sure I'm actually right, and there is no other way -- there might be, I don't know |
| 16:02.44 | jvw | Bro1: if indeed there is no other way, yes |
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| 16:02.57 | Bro1 | Sitherious: it depends how you installed linux - if you have a minimalist kernel it probaly doesnt have sound |
| 16:03.14 | valdyn | Bro1: he's using a debian kernel. |
| 16:03.15 | Sitherious | i used netinstall |
| 16:03.31 | valdyn | Sitherious: what have you dont to get your sound working? |
| 16:03.33 | jvw | Sitherious: when did you install? |
| 16:03.35 | Sitherious | d/l the minium boot and it d/l the rest during install |
| 16:03.37 | valdyn | s/dont/done/ |
| 16:03.39 | Sitherious | 3 days ago |
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| 16:03.46 | jvw | and you're running a 2.2 kernel? |
| 16:03.52 | Sitherious | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst |
| 16:03.53 | jvw | how did you do that? |
| 16:03.57 | valdyn | Sitherious: uname -r |
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| 16:04.22 | Sitherious | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 16:04.37 | dvs | o_O |
| 16:04.40 | valdyn | Sitherious: that certain IS NOT from debian-31r0a-i386-netinst |
| 16:04.42 | jvw | < Sitherious> paeco, i want to update my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.6.8 |
| 16:04.42 | DocTomoe | Sitherious: you are absolutely sure that really was a sarge netinst? |
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| 16:04.56 | jvw | sounds more like woody to me |
| 16:05.15 | valdyn | !idepci |
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| 16:05.18 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Tux cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 16:05.20 | Sitherious | its the iso i d/l from debian |
| 16:05.29 | blondie | stop breaking the laws of physics! |
| 16:05.29 | Reilithion | aww |
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| 16:05.51 | jvw | Sitherious: I guess you accidently downloaded the woody install cd though |
| 16:05.55 | valdyn | Sitherious: debian provides old releases for your convenience, your fault of you choose to download whichever |
| 16:06.16 | jvw | Sitherious: as you only installed very recently, I suggest starting over with Sarge |
| 16:06.32 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know the apt-key for debian testing security repository? |
| 16:06.32 | Sitherious | url to the iso? |
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| 16:06.45 | jvw | valdyn: to be honest, debian's cd pages are quite confusing to find the right stuff |
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| 16:06.50 | DocTomoe | for some reason, my debian sid box no longer recognizes the hostname in /etc/hostname. /etc/hostname ist set to 755 and is non-empty. any ideas how to solve this problem? |
| 16:06.51 | Bro1 | ok im murdering /boot now... |
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| 16:06.54 | EruditeHermit | is there a an easy way to get security keys other than apt-key? |
| 16:07.09 | DocTomoe | Bro1: you are killing your kernel, are you aware of that? |
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| 16:07.12 | jvw | Sitherious: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 16:07.15 | Reilithion | !etch security |
| 16:07.15 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
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| 16:07.18 | Sitherious | ty jvw |
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| 16:07.25 | valdyn | jvw: probably, but telling us to have used debian-31r0a-i386-netinst instead of what he really used it more than just confused |
| 16:07.52 | jvw | Sitherious: use the netinst |
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| 16:08.34 | Sitherious | jvw, it points to the same iso i already have tho |
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| 16:08.42 | valdyn | Sitherious: no it does not |
| 16:08.43 | Bro1 | DocTomoe: i still have it somewhere dont i? |
| 16:08.50 | jvw | Sitherious: sarge does not contain a 2.2 kernel |
| 16:08.55 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, use listkeys or listvals to find dpkg keys |
| 16:08.55 | jvw | Sitherious: so you must have done something else |
| 16:09.00 | DocTomoe | Bro1: Most certainly: negative. |
| 16:09.03 | valdyn | !woody |
| 16:09.03 | dpkg | it has been said that woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 16:09.23 | Sitherious | how do i find out if im using woody or sarge? |
| 16:09.40 | sky0 | Sitherious: cat /etc/issue |
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| 16:09.46 | DocTomoe | Sitherious: cat /etc/apt/sources.list ... |
| 16:10.00 | DocTomoe | if it tells you about sarge, just that is it. |
| 16:10.08 | Sitherious | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \1 |
| 16:10.21 | zerve_the_death | sarge |
| 16:10.25 | jvw | did you have a linux before you installed? |
| 16:10.39 | Sitherious | yes |
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| 16:10.46 | valdyn | jesus |
| 16:10.53 | Bro1 | DocTomoe: ok so what do you suggest? im installing windows and it tells me the MBR doesnt have a filesystem it likes |
| 16:11.04 | Reilithion | !jesus |
| 16:11.04 | valdyn | Sitherious: you installed woody and then upgraded ( more or less half assed im sure ) to sarge |
| 16:11.04 | dpkg | jesus is probably cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs) |
| 16:11.18 | valdyn | hah |
| 16:11.18 | DocTomoe | Bro1: I suggest you forget about windows ... or you install it on an vanilla hard disk |
| 16:11.22 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: how do I use those commands? |
| 16:11.38 | Reilithion | eh? talk to dpkg, of course |
| 16:11.47 | DocTomoe | Bro1: btw: the MBR has no filesystem |
| 16:12.08 | valdyn | Sitherious: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:12.09 | Bro1 | DocTomoe: vanilla hard disk ~= new hd? |
| 16:12.09 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: or rather, what package are they in |
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| 16:12.46 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, listkeys and listvals are for asking dpkg how to find information on search terms. |
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| 16:13.10 | Reilithion | for instance: /msg dpkg listvals security |
| 16:13.11 | nextime | are binutils in sid broken? |
| 16:13.12 | DocTomoe | Bro1: Exactly that. What you want do is not trivial, and it seems you do not have the expertise to undertake it. think twice if you really need windows and it is so pressing you have to risk a working PC and your data. |
| 16:13.25 | Reilithion | for instance: /msg dpkg listkeys apt |
| 16:13.25 | nextime | (2.16.1cvs20051117-1) |
| 16:13.36 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: sure, but the question was, what package can they be found in? This information is not with dpkg |
| 16:13.40 | valdyn | nextime: why do you think they are? |
| 16:13.51 | Reilithion | dpkg, the user, here on irc |
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| 16:13.59 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: yes |
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| 16:14.04 | DocTomoe | Bro1: basically, windows complains about the bootloader. this has nothing to do with partitions. windows wil want to install its own, which (oh wonderfl world) does not recognize linux. |
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| 16:14.10 | Reilithion | type into your irc command bar /msg dpkg listvals security |
| 16:14.15 | nextime | valdyn : 'cause i'm unable to recompile a kernel vanilla ( 2.6.10 ) or to compile some kernel modules |
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| 16:14.31 | valdyn | nextime: and what is the error you are getting? |
| 16:14.43 | DocTomoe | Bro1: You can install the windows bootloader, but you´ll have to overwrite the windows bootloader with an linux one if you ever want to access your linux again. |
| 16:14.51 | nextime | an Assempler error on a operands in process.o |
| 16:15.02 | nextime | s/Assempler/Assembler |
| 16:15.07 | valdyn | nextime: gcc --version |
| 16:15.11 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: again, it doesn't say which package these commands are in |
| 16:15.18 | Bro1 | DocTomoe: dualbooting windows and linux is no problem - im just in a mess because i installed debian first |
| 16:15.20 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: it gives a nice list of how to use it |
| 16:15.41 | nextime | valdyn : i've tryed with all gcc from 2.95 to 4.0, and this kernel was compiled before a dist-upgrade with almost the same config |
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| 16:15.45 | valdyn | nextime: dont paste all 5 lines, i just need the version |
| 16:15.46 | Bro1 | DocTomoe: thats what im planning to do |
| 16:16.09 | nextime | same error with all versions |
| 16:16.13 | DocTomoe | Bro1: no, dualbooting is no problem, and I never stated that. getting it to work for installing windwos secondarily is a problem tought, and you really should reconsider if you really, really, really need windows that desperately. |
| 16:16.13 | valdyn | nextime: you know how to really use a different compiler for kernel compiles? |
| 16:16.25 | Reilithion | the list it gives are topics you can ask it about. ask it about each one that looks like it has information that interests you |
| 16:16.25 | nextime | valdyn : i know. |
| 16:16.28 | roler | my debian/gnome2/metacity profile quit logging in. i don't even get the splash screen. It loads half way, pauses, and kicks me back to gdm. my other user profiles do work however. I have no error messages. Is there a log file i can check to see whats going on? |
| 16:16.32 | Sitherious | ok i sent the apt list |
| 16:16.39 | valdyn | !makeflags |
| 16:16.51 | valdyn | !listkeys makeflags |
| 16:16.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'makeflags' by key returned no results. |
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| 16:17.08 | valdyn | !b-e nextime |
| 16:17.08 | dpkg | nextime: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:17.11 | Bro1 | !emacs |
| 16:17.11 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
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| 16:17.20 | EleckttrusS-USA | Como puedo hacer para no ver iconos en el escritorio en gnome? |
| 16:17.30 | valdyn | nextime: try that, and kernels below 2.6.12 wont compile with gcc-4.x |
| 16:17.36 | DocTomoe | EleckttrusS-USA: #debian-es |
| 16:17.40 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: forgive me, but none seem to pertain to my question |
| 16:17.41 | nextime | valdyn : i have done that. |
| 16:17.49 | Bro1 | EleckttrusS-USA: i like gnome |
| 16:17.57 | EleckttrusS-USA | DocTomoe: ok thacks you men |
| 16:17.58 | nextime | and i know gcc-4.0 problem with kernels |
| 16:18.06 | EleckttrusS-USA | DocTomoe: i have big cuestion |
| 16:18.09 | Bro1 | EleckttrusS-USA: and i also have icons |
| 16:18.21 | nextime | valdyn : this is the error: |
| 16:18.21 | nextime | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 16:18.21 | nextime | {standard input}:816: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
| 16:18.31 | nextime | --SNIP- |
| 16:18.32 | nextime | make[1]: *** [arch/i386/kernel/process.o] Error 1 |
| 16:18.33 | Sitherious | valdyn, sent |
| 16:18.42 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, okay, which dpkg key were you looking for? |
| 16:19.04 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: I am looking for which package listkeys was found in |
| 16:19.08 | valdyn | Sitherious: sent where? |
| 16:19.12 | Sitherious | pm |
| 16:19.15 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: so that I can install it and use it |
| 16:19.17 | EleckttrusS-USA | Bro1: i like no have icons y my desktop ubuntu stil |
| 16:19.18 | valdyn | Sitherious: no dont pm me |
| 16:19.23 | Sitherious | srry |
| 16:19.23 | valdyn | !tell Sitherious -about paste |
| 16:19.31 | kimo | what's the state of ATI drivers in Linux today ? |
| 16:19.37 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: I think I can find out how to use it if I can get it |
| 16:19.40 | DocTomoe | kimo: existing ;) |
| 16:19.47 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: apt-cache search listkeys doesn't list anything |
| 16:19.49 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, there's an easy way to search packages for files. |
| 16:19.53 | Reilithion | ah |
| 16:19.56 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: the bots don't tell me how to find it |
| 16:19.56 | valdyn | nextime: testing this |
| 16:20.02 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: and I am getting really frustrated |
| 16:20.12 | kimo | DocTomoe: heh, I'm after a low cost laptop & they all come with ATI graphics. How good r the drivers ? |
| 16:20.13 | EruditeHermit | with cryptic responses to a simple question |
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| 16:20.52 | DocTomoe | kimo: what do you plan to do with your laptop? Do you need 3D-Accleration? |
| 16:20.54 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, maybe we've run into a communication problem along the way. Let's try from the beginning. What was your simple question? |
| 16:21.24 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: In which package can I get the command listkeys |
| 16:21.33 | kimo | well, I'm not gaming day & night. But I will need some gaming |
| 16:21.42 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: this information is not on packages.debian.org either |
| 16:21.42 | vinay | i have a burner on /dev/hdc , when i try to do "hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc" .. it says "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" .. any guidance? |
| 16:21.49 | dvs | !find listkeys |
| 16:21.53 | sky0 | nextime: have you run "make clean" between switching the compiler version? |
| 16:21.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'listkeys' (1): (/usr/share/apps/kgpg/listkeys.rc) in kde/kgpg. |
| 16:21.59 | Sitherious | valdyn, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1262?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
| 16:22.03 | nextime | sky0 : no, i'm dumb idiot. |
| 16:22.06 | valdyn | nextime: thats happening compiling what exactly? |
| 16:22.06 | nextime | :) |
| 16:22.08 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, if that's the case, I'd say there is no debian command, listkeys |
| 16:22.14 | DocTomoe | kimo: for your standard working enviroment, any driver will do. ATI is notorious for only releasing binary drivers, so this might be kind of a problem. |
| 16:22.19 | nextime | valdyn : 2.6.10 vanilla |
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| 16:22.21 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, was there something before that? |
| 16:22.27 | tchize | Hi folks |
| 16:22.33 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, like, what you hoped to accomplish with listkeys? |
| 16:22.37 | valdyn | Sitherious: dpkg -l aptitude |
| 16:22.45 | kimo | DocTomoe: so does nvidia, but for some reason people say ATI drivers are worse |
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| 16:23.20 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: then, what was the spiel about using listkeys? |
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| 16:23.38 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, I thought you were trying to find keys to get dpkg to say things |
| 16:23.39 | roboo | hi |
| 16:23.42 | roboo | i've some files that finish _1[1] .. how can i list all of these files ? i try " ls -al *._1[1] " or " ls -al *._1\[1\] " but they don't work |
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| 16:23.52 | DocTomoe | kimo: Well, I have got source for nvidia, and I had to compile it for myself (ok, it was kind of a source download application, and I never really saw the source, but I compiled it. |
| 16:23.59 | nextime | but i've tryed also with a 2.6.7 and a 2.6.9 that i have in /usr/src from old kernels... |
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| 16:24.06 | nextime | same problem |
| 16:24.10 | Bro1 | kimo: the reason some poeple say the ati drivers are worse is because they are worse (crashes, doesnt run etc.) |
| 16:24.14 | Sitherious | valdyn, apt version is 0.2.15.9-2 thats the only thing listed |
| 16:24.20 | valdyn | nextime: i meant compiling which file / driver |
| 16:24.35 | nextime | valdyn : CC arch/i386/kernel/process.o |
| 16:24.40 | valdyn | Sitherious: ok |
| 16:24.42 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: I was looking for an easy way to search for keys, you suggested listkeys or listvals. These don't seem to exist. I am confused |
| 16:24.45 | EruditeHermit | =) |
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| 16:24.52 | kimo | Bro1: r u an ATI user |
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| 16:25.17 | yel | anyone here know how i can get pine runs (installed on sarge) please ? |
| 16:25.18 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, wait... what kind of keys? "keys" is a word that's used a lot in Debian. maybe I thought of a different kind of key than you did |
| 16:25.29 | valdyn | nextime: im compiling 2.6.14, works fine, so i dont think binutils is at fault anyway |
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| 16:25.45 | valdyn | nextime: on sid |
| 16:25.48 | nextime | valdyn : sid upgraded at? |
| 16:25.55 | DocTomoe | kimo: try to aim for a laptop with an intel chipset ... I recently bought an acer extensa 2600 (i was on a budget), and it works just fine |
| 16:26.00 | nextime | ( my is dist-upgraded today ) |
| 16:26.27 | valdyn | nextime: binutils 2.16.1cvs20051117-1 |
| 16:26.34 | nextime | same version |
| 16:26.43 | valdyn | Sitherious: you need to get your system to sarge proper |
| 16:26.53 | Bro1 | kimo: i tried it - didn't work so i ditched it. Probaly now they they would work better since that was some time ago and now the drivers have imrpved alot. But a Friend of mine who has his own graphics engine complains allot. |
| 16:26.57 | nextime | i will try 2.6.15 |
| 16:26.58 | nextime | ops |
| 16:26.59 | nextime | 14 |
| 16:26.59 | Sitherious | val should i reinstall? |
| 16:27.08 | valdyn | Sitherious: you can try 'apt-get install aptitude; aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade' |
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| 16:27.18 | valdyn | Sitherious: reinstall will have less risk of breaking |
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| 16:27.30 | valdyn | Sitherious: i recommend doing it yep |
| 16:27.37 | kimo | DocTomoe: why intel chipset, actually I am searching for AMD as they seem much better these days |
| 16:27.37 | tchize | Hello , i need help with my debian, i upgraded my system and now colors are wrong and performances awfull in my cedega with guild wars, anyone have any infos? |
| 16:27.43 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: the key for the repositories for apt |
| 16:28.00 | valdyn | nextime: i think you're not 'switching' compilers properly, thats how your error does look. |
| 16:28.02 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: so I can add it with apt-key add |
| 16:28.14 | Sitherious | val, thakyou for your help |
| 16:28.24 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, *facepalm* Then we've been miscommunicating. Equally my fault as anyone's. I'll see if I can find that for you, then. |
| 16:28.26 | yel | anyone here can help me getting pine installed on sarge please ?? |
| 16:28.53 | nextime | valdyn : i'm sure that i do the right step do switch compiler, this isn't the first time that i compile a kernel or something else :) |
| 16:28.57 | valdyn | yel: what's wrong with mutt |
| 16:29.06 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, try reading this page: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ |
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| 16:29.21 | blockd_ | yel: I think you have to d/l the pine deb from the U of Washington. |
| 16:29.28 | yel | mutt ?? i dont know whats that valdyn |
| 16:29.34 | blockd_ | yel: they had some licensing issues a while back, so i don't think debian carries it |
| 16:29.42 | Reilithion | yel, mutt > pine |
| 16:29.44 | dvs | yel: Better than pine |
| 16:29.46 | valdyn | yel: a free mail client, nicer and better than pine |
| 16:29.52 | yel | ah okay blockd_ |
| 16:30.01 | yel | okay ill give it a try guys thanks |
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| 16:30.09 | valdyn | yel: though pine's few features admittedly are very very easy for new users |
| 16:30.14 | blockd_ | I agree mutt *is* nicer, but a lot of people are more familiar with pine... |
| 16:30.24 | Reilithion | valdyn, don't worry. Mutt is a good doggy |
| 16:30.33 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: how do I obtain a fingerprint from the huge key? |
| 16:30.53 | blockd_ | at least in my limited experience... they find pine easier and can't figure out mutt |
| 16:31.12 | goccia | mutt is not good is god |
| 16:31.24 | tuomas_ | how do i determine if some kernel option is enabled? i need to know if CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2 is enabled. |
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| 16:31.33 | Bro1 | if noone used those text based email clients we could have html in our mail |
| 16:31.42 | blockd_ | (I dumped pine for mutt on the console... but anyway) |
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| 16:31.53 | yang | I configured exim to send mails on internet, but now i got error: |
| 16:31.54 | valdyn | tuomas_: grep <option> /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:31.58 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: in a nut shell. I want to add etch security key to my apt-key. I can't find the fingerprint to add it easily. I don't know how to find it or search for fingerprints for useful keys |
| 16:31.59 | dvs | tuomas_: cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep MOUSE_PS2 |
| 16:32.00 | yang | 2005-12-10 17:25:28 1El7XK-0005Iq-TO ** janprunk@gmail.com R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 16:32.09 | valdyn | !uuoc |
| 16:32.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 16:32.48 | tuomas_ | thanks folks |
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| 16:33.30 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, I'm afraid I'm not entirely sure. How much have you read from that site I sent you? |
| 16:33.34 | nextime | valdyn : 2.6.14.3 is compiling |
| 16:33.53 | Reilithion | Anyone know why someone wouldn't be able to send to this channel? |
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| 16:34.15 | valdyn | nextime: what exactly did you do to switch compiler? |
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| 16:34.47 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: all |
| 16:35.12 | tuomas_ | how can i see that is some module available on my system? with modprobe or what? |
| 16:35.32 | valdyn | tuomas_: yes |
| 16:35.37 | valdyn | !wayttd tuomas_ |
| 16:35.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tuomas_? |
| 16:35.47 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, Aha! here we go. |
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| 16:35.57 | Reilithion | !tell EruditeHermit about keys for apt |
| 16:36.05 | tuomas_ | modprobe is for adding or removing |
| 16:36.11 | tuomas_ | i just want the information |
| 16:36.32 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: hehe, I know this |
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| 16:36.44 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: I just wanted a way to find the key-id it refers to |
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| 16:36.50 | valdyn | tuomas_: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and look around |
| 16:36.59 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: which is what I have been asking for for the last 30mins =) |
| 16:37.08 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: key id fingerprint |
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| 16:37.27 | EruditeHermit | Reilithion: or how to discern it from a big huge keysig |
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| 16:38.45 | Uzv3R | h |
| 16:38.45 | nextime | valdyn : don't worry about how i change the compiler, i'm sure that i've changed it many times in differents ways to be sure. |
| 16:38.48 | nextime | anyway |
| 16:38.51 | Reilithion | EruditeHermit, from the sound of things, perhaps you know more about this than I do. I'm afraid I don't know how to discern the keys from one another. |
| 16:38.53 | takatumi | tuomas_: look at modinfo as well. |
| 16:39.02 | nextime | now i'm compiling with gcc 3.3 |
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| 16:39.06 | nextime | kernel 2.6.14 |
| 16:39.09 | nextime | and it compile |
| 16:39.13 | Uzv3R | Hi all!! |
| 16:39.23 | nextime | same with 2.6.10, won't compile |
| 16:39.24 | Uzv3R | dudes! |
| 16:39.37 | Reilithion | Hey, Miles_Prower is having trouble sending to the channel. How can we fix this? |
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| 16:40.01 | nextime | valdyn : if you don't belive me, try to get a 2.6.10 valilla tarball and try to compile it with different gcc versions |
| 16:40.03 | Uzv3R | piu |
| 16:40.07 | NNusr5083 | hello |
| 16:40.12 | Uzv3R | ) |
| 16:40.24 | Uzv3R | hi |
| 16:40.25 | Reilithion | !hello NNusr5083 |
| 16:40.41 | PONI | :D |
| 16:40.47 | PONI | <Reilithion>-HI |
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| 16:40.55 | Uzv3R | poni, why you use my router ? |
| 16:41.03 | Bro1 | hmm the serial i got from freeserials.spb.ru didnt work - does anyone have a win64bitprof. serial? |
| 16:41.06 | nextime | changing compiler version is the first thing that i've tryed before thinking that was a binutils proble, |
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| 16:41.26 | SlayerXP | !moron Bro1 |
| 16:41.26 | dpkg | Bro1: You are moron #35 |
| 16:41.34 | extr3m | how do i forcibly uninstall a package? im having problems uninstalling kdebluetooth, it gives errors and refuses to uninstall? but lots of things i need installed are depandent on the uninstallation of it |
| 16:41.34 | PONI | Because I the evill pony |
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| 16:42.04 | PONI | ÷ĺé ýňî ÷ŕň |
| 16:42.23 | Uzv3R | mine |
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| 16:42.38 | PONI | OMG |
| 16:42.41 | Uzv3R | yeah |
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| 16:42.47 | PONI | nigga |
| 16:42.52 | Uzv3R | wazuuuup! |
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| 16:43.05 | PONI | da tut vse sleep |
| 16:43.07 | Reilithion | Is there a cracker war going on between PONI and Uzv3R |
| 16:43.15 | Uzv3R | lol |
| 16:43.21 | PONI | We it is simple from one network |
| 16:43.28 | azeem | PONI, Uzv3R: please stay on topic |
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| 16:43.40 | Uzv3R | hmmm ok |
| 16:43.41 | azeem | i.e. ask Debian related question, or help us support others |
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| 16:44.02 | PONI | ŕ ÷î ňóň çŕ ňîďčę |
| 16:44.11 | Uzv3R | äŕ ňčďŕ ďđîăđŕěčńňű áë˙ |
| 16:44.13 | Ronin | and in english too please folks |
| 16:44.17 | Uzv3R | ok ok |
| 16:44.18 | Uzv3R | %) |
| 16:44.24 | PONI | yep |
| 16:44.39 | Reilithion | !language |
| 16:44.39 | dpkg | i guess language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. |
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| 16:44.52 | Reilithion | ...LOL!!! |
| 16:44.52 | Ronin | heh nice one |
| 16:45.01 | Uzv3R | wow! knopix rulz |
| 16:45.09 | PONI | bl |
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| 16:45.14 | Uzv3R | :D |
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| 16:45.58 | Uzv3R | potemkin |
| 16:46.03 | PONI | :{~~ |
| 16:46.06 | Uzv3R | ;\ |
| 16:46.14 | azeem | Uzv3R, PONI: last warning, please stay on topic |
| 16:46.31 | dvs | azeem: I don't think it will matter |
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| 16:46.36 | Uzv3R | hey, easy. what i say non-topic ? |
| 16:46.54 | azeem | Uzv3R: anything not Debian related is off-topic |
| 16:47.03 | PONI | O_O |
| 16:47.03 | azeem | Uzv3R: see www.debian.org for information about Debian |
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| 16:47.18 | PONI | smile too off-topic |
| 16:47.25 | nextime | valdyn : i've tryed with other 2 sid box, before to upgrade binutils 2.6.10 is compiling, after upgrade binutils it won't compile |
| 16:47.28 | dvs | sitherious: you did check the MD5 sum didn't you? |
| 16:47.36 | nextime | valdyn : so, now i'm pretty sure that is a bug in binutils |
| 16:47.37 | Ronin | ahh got to love /ignore |
| 16:47.40 | sitherious | md5 sum? |
| 16:47.50 | dvs | I didn't think so |
| 16:48.03 | Uzv3R | FUUUUCK! |
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| 16:48.08 | sitherious | my cdrom right now wont boot anything |
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| 16:50.16 | azeem | hah, won |
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| 16:51.19 | Reilithion | azeem, light! |
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| 16:52.23 | tarzeau | !badmirror |
| 16:52.30 | Reilithion | gosh, that's a good movie |
| 16:52.32 | tarzeau | dpkg badmirror is http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 16:52.32 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
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| 16:53.15 | jake1932 | i'm trying to pipe inbound mail to munpack, but exim docs say "Invoking pipes from /etc/aliases file is widely considered obsolete and deprecated" use a "dedicated router/transport pair". not sure where to look for that |
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| 16:55.49 | jake1932 | is exim considered the router - and i need to use a different app for transport? |
| 16:56.05 | Reilithion | *shruggle* |
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| 16:56.47 | OpenSores | how can i make it so only privoxy can open port 80 connections, ie. everything has to go through privoxy |
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| 16:57.53 | danieldg | OpenSores: if the router and proxy are the same machine, just block forwarded connections on port 80 with iptables |
| 16:58.08 | |splat| | anyone have any experience with the linksys wpc11 v4 and debian? |
| 16:58.22 | danieldg | OpenSores: or are you trying to enforce this on the local machine? |
| 16:58.32 | OpenSores | local machine |
| 16:58.46 | digijohn | Hey, is Firefox 1.5 likely to end up in etch any time soon? |
| 16:58.47 | danieldg | does privoxy run with its own UID? |
| 16:59.03 | OpenSores | yeah |
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| 16:59.05 | hacim | danieldg: ps auxw |grep privoxy |
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| 16:59.15 | danieldg | hacim: I'm not running it :) |
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| 16:59.23 | hacim | danieldg: in that case, yes it does |
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| 16:59.50 | danieldg | OpenSores: you can use iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner <uid of privoxy> -j ACCEPT |
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| 17:00.05 | danieldg | OpenSores: then iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j REJECT |
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| 17:00.21 | OpenSores | ah, ok |
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| 17:00.53 | daReaper | should the line "NameVirtualHost *" be in every file in /etc/apache2/sites-available, or only in the default file?? |
| 17:00.56 | sky0 | jake1932: not sure I understand the question; do you call the pipe to munpack from /etc/aliases ? I guess exim wants you to write a 'transport' section (search for "driver = pipe" in exim.conf for example) and a 'director' which uses the former (maybe one would be enough) |
| 17:01.04 | hid3 | Is it possible to eject cdrom remotely? I mean via a shell.. |
| 17:01.13 | tarzeau | hid3: yes |
| 17:01.21 | tarzeau | hid3: the command is called , eject |
| 17:01.22 | Zugschlus | hid3: eject |
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| 17:01.26 | hid3 | thanks |
| 17:01.35 | Mortis_kruul | Hi all. Look at new, better http://www.muzyka.oz.pl |
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| 17:02.23 | vinay | how do i check if a CD is bootable, without trying to boot? |
| 17:02.29 | jake1932 | sky0: i was trying to call it from /etc/aliases - but gave me an error in the logs... i'll check the driver=pipe in exim.conf. tnx |
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| 17:02.37 | tarzeau | vinay: qemu -cdrom the.iso or /dev/cdrom ? |
| 17:02.40 | djtof | Hi |
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| 17:02.50 | djtof | I need you |
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| 17:03.51 | jake1932 | sky0: the debian package seems to have it disabled by default |
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| 17:03.58 | sky0 | jake1932: search for docs on the net, people doing similiar things; and prepare for a lot of trial-and-error. smtp ain't that simple |
| 17:04.02 | Thaiger | I used the netinstall to install debian on my laptop and the base system went OK, but when it was getting all the other packages it locked up so I rebooted it and now when I do a dpkg --configure -a almost every package fails then dpkg fails because of too many errors. What can I do? |
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| 17:04.23 | jake1932 | sky0 - tnx |
| 17:04.34 | djtof | I want to install a network card Netgear WG311 V3 |
| 17:04.44 | djtof | and I am a newbee in Debian |
| 17:04.53 | djtof | Anyone help me please |
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| 17:05.24 | blockd_ | djtof: you stand to get more help if you just ask instead of asking to ask |
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| 17:05.44 | djtof | Excuse me but my english was not very good |
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| 17:05.52 | SlayerXP | djtof: open your computer, push network card into an empty slot. |
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| 17:06.01 | SlayerXP | djtof: some people prefer to do this with the power turned off. |
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| 17:06.16 | SlayerXP | djtof: you might want to remove the static wrap, also |
| 17:06.20 | djtof | The card are install |
| 17:06.30 | djtof | and Debian run |
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| 17:06.50 | Ronin | SlayerXP: and turn the power off first too |
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| 17:07.16 | SlayerXP | <SlayerXP> djtof: some people prefer to do this with the power turned off. |
| 17:07.41 | blockd_ | djtof: there's also #debian-fr (just based on your domain) if you're not comfortable with English |
| 17:07.47 | djtof | ok |
| 17:07.48 | djtof | I will try |
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| 17:08.19 | mike_ | eye liek mcp |
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| 17:09.07 | Thaiger | After having to reboot during the big package grab after a net-install every package is broken due to dependecys. Is there any way to fix this without reinstalling or doing it all by hand? |
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| 17:11.35 | Reilithion | Wow! I've never chatted with an Internic Commercialian before! Nice to meet you, Ronin. |
| 17:11.47 | Reilithion | What do people do in your country? |
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| 17:12.58 | Ronin | Reilithion: same things folks do in every other country :) |
| 17:13.03 | djtof | Slayer XP: Could you please help me |
| 17:13.05 | djtof | , |
| 17:13.06 | djtof | ? |
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| 17:13.34 | Reilithion | Ronin, does the nation of Internic Commercial have a seat on the U.N.? |
| 17:13.44 | Eclipser | what would be the best vnc server/client? or any other suggestions for controlling the other computer? |
| 17:13.50 | brianP | hi does any one know why libapache-mod-fastcgi is non-free ? |
| 17:14.04 | Ronin | we avoid the u.n, we're waiting till the next version of it, hoping it will be more effective |
| 17:14.05 | Eclipser | (I don't think X forwarding would be good for me here :p) |
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| 17:14.17 | blockd_ | djtof: I'd just ask. If nobody understands they might ask for more information or at worst ignore the question. I doubt everybody's first language here is English either... |
| 17:14.23 | Reilithion | lol |
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| 17:15.19 | bsims | ok I tried the firefox out of experimental.. didn't like it but now it won't let me restart firefox from sid... no errors no nothing I tried recreating my profile, a purge, etc any ideas? |
| 17:15.25 | Reilithion | Eclipser, all I know is what dpkg says on the subject. |
| 17:15.33 | Reilithion | !tell Eclipser about x-not-vnc |
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| 17:16.05 | goccia | bsims: deer park from backports.org works nice on sarge |
| 17:16.20 | Eclipser | I don't have a windows box but I want to control my already logged in box from my bed with this laptop :p |
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| 17:18.25 | mike_ | what library bundle in debian has the xml/perl parser in it? |
| 17:18.36 | kimo | I wanna get a laptop I can run apache/vsftp/Xen on for learning & supporting customers. Do I need 1G ram, or is 512 enough ? |
| 17:18.37 | djtof | blockd_ My english si not very good but i need help |
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| 17:19.07 | dvs | !tell djtof -about ask |
| 17:19.22 | Eclipser | Reilithion, or is there a way to move the session from the other box to this box through X forwarding? |
| 17:19.44 | kimo | Eclipser: see vnc or nomachine |
| 17:19.49 | djtof | !ask |
| 17:19.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:19.56 | Eclipser | that's what I asked in the first place :p |
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| 17:20.39 | Reilithion | !vnc |
| 17:20.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
| 17:20.41 | blockd_ | mike_: I'd just "aptitude search libxml | grep perl" to find it. They're pretty much of the form libxml-*-perl or libxml-perl |
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| 17:21.13 | mike_ | blockd_: that returns a lot |
| 17:21.14 | mike_ | =/ |
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| 17:22.29 | Skefe | Ciao a tutti! |
| 17:22.34 | Skefe | Hi to every body! |
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| 17:22.55 | dvs | Hi Doctor Nick! |
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| 17:23.10 | Daedric | oi? |
| 17:23.29 | blockd_ | right, but hopefully the description on the right-hand side helps in choosing... |
| 17:23.33 | blockd_ | mike_: ^ |
| 17:23.34 | snowgeese | how do i play streaming radio |
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| 17:23.41 | bsims | exit |
| 17:23.49 | sitherious | er this is totaly off topic |
| 17:23.58 | blockd_ | mike_: but there's also libxml-parser-perl which might be what you want... I don't know if it's sufficient though |
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| 17:24.08 | yang | I configured exim to send mails on internet, but now i got error: |
| 17:24.08 | mike_ | blockd_: yar i think i found it, thanks |
| 17:24.14 | yang | 2005-12-10 17:25:28 1El7XK-0005Iq-TO ** janprunk@gmail.com R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 17:24.19 | sitherious | but my cdrom works but it keeps saying reboot and select proper media in selected boot device |
| 17:24.22 | sitherious | boot failure |
| 17:24.27 | mike_ | yah i'm installing libxml-parser-perl and libxml-perl |
| 17:24.38 | sitherious | think my mobo is shot? |
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| 17:24.48 | cahoot_ | snowgeese: got an url? |
| 17:24.57 | m0rbid | I am currently running testing, and now I am trying to install apt-secure, but I am getting broken packages errors for libstdc++6, any ideas? |
| 17:25.56 | dimitri | I am using proftpd on y box and am willing to switch to a more secure solution, sftp |
| 17:26.09 | dimitri | what server sftp exists out there ? |
| 17:26.17 | dimitri | or is it something from ssl ? |
| 17:26.41 | blockd_ | dimitri: sshd |
| 17:26.43 | dimitri | I am just not sure if sftp is a protocol or a capability of ssl |
| 17:26.53 | thingfish | sitherious: can you boot the computer normally, from the hard drive? |
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| 17:27.13 | blockd_ | dimitri: it does sftp as well as ssh (you can install the ssh deb) |
| 17:27.25 | dimitri | blockd_: ok so if I am already using sshd I don't have to use another package to do ftp connection ? |
| 17:27.38 | takatumi | why not just use scp? |
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| 17:27.47 | dimitri | blockd_: ok where do I look ? man sshd ? |
| 17:28.08 | blockd_ | shouldn't have to... look in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file |
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| 17:28.36 | treyh0 | where are the debian unstable/main gpg keys for apt? |
| 17:28.44 | blockd_ | dimitri: look for the line "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/sftp-server". It should already be there. |
| 17:28.52 | dimitri | blockd_: ok thanks any other tutotial on the web ? |
| 17:28.57 | Reilithion | !keys for apt |
| 17:28.57 | dpkg | i heard keys for apt is 'gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <keyid> ; gpg --export <keyid> | sudo apt-key add -', where <keyid> is the id apt is complaining about |
| 17:28.58 | treyh0 | apparently some packages are installing fine without warning, but others in main complain about auth failure |
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| 17:29.10 | blockd_ | dimitri: I don't know. man "sshd_config" should also tell you more info. |
| 17:29.17 | dimitri | ok thanks |
| 17:29.28 | dimitri | last question, will my user need a shell access ? |
| 17:29.30 | snowgeese | so how do iplay inernet radio |
| 17:29.46 | thingfish | snowgeese: use totem, it should play most streams. |
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| 17:30.22 | goccia | snowgeese: xmms ctrl l and stick a url on it |
| 17:30.27 | mike_ | what file does libglade-2.0.pc contain? |
| 17:30.27 | yang | shit, nobody using exim4 ? |
| 17:30.27 | treyh0 | oh looks like the gpg warnings just required me to do another apt-get update |
| 17:30.29 | treyh0 | cool beans |
| 17:30.29 | dorto | how to check/mark ext3 partition for bad blocks? |
| 17:30.38 | dvs | !tell sitherious-away -about away |
| 17:30.40 | snowgeese | isnt that for movies only? |
| 17:30.41 | dorto | from debian sarge system |
| 17:31.11 | dorto | or knoppix |
| 17:31.29 | blockd_ | dimitri: pretty sure. There are even some things out there to try to restrict that. |
| 17:31.29 | thingfish | snowgeese: no, totem makes a decent all-around media player. |
| 17:31.35 | snowgeese | cool |
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| 17:31.41 | snowgeese | il figure it out then |
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| 17:32.11 | snowgeese | the radi staiton gives you alive raido brodcast id like to play that |
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| 17:32.33 | dvs | snowgeese: what format? |
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| 17:33.39 | blockd_ | dimitri: like scponly or rssh |
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| 17:34.02 | goccia | snowgeese: apt-cache show streamtune |
| 17:34.06 | goccia | r* |
| 17:34.19 | dimitri | blockd_:thanks |
| 17:34.21 | blockd_ | dimitri: should be updated now.. but I think the sourceforge page for rssh is dead. Try pizzashack.org instead. |
| 17:34.30 | dimitri | I am looking for an howto to set sshd to ftp server |
| 17:34.33 | dorto | fsck is not checking the partition(error: superblock may be corrupted) |
| 17:34.58 | plbgnr | hello, on site http://pastebin.com/458549 is output from my syslog when I connected my mobile phone through USB can anybody give me advice how shall I mount USB mass storage device ? I read that from syslog is possible to find out filesystem type ...but I don't know where is this information there... |
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| 17:35.03 | dorto | so how do i check for all the bad sectors on my ext3 partition? |
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| 17:35.09 | dimitri | hang on where are taking me :) |
| 17:35.14 | valdyn | dorto: badblocks |
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| 17:35.28 | dorto | valdyn, thx :) |
| 17:35.30 | blockd_ | dimitri: could also be a deb for all I know. There was also something about the rssh sourceforge page offering an insecure version a while ago because he'd moved it to pizzashack.org. |
| 17:35.50 | blockd_ | just hadn't been updated... anyway just trying to make that clear |
| 17:35.57 | valdyn | dorto: 'bad sectors' have nothing to do with the filesystem |
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| 17:36.35 | dimitri | blockd_: I got it! thakns |
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| 17:37.17 | dorto | valdyn, true, but some windows based softs that i had used asked for drive letters and they won't scan linux partitions, so explicitly specified that i want to scan a linux partition |
| 17:37.23 | snowgeese | totem says its playing i hear nothing |
| 17:37.31 | snowgeese | sound does woek |
| 17:37.37 | dorto | i guess badblocks checks the entire disk |
| 17:37.42 | valdyn | dorto: true, 'windows' tools often integrate fs with badblock checks |
| 17:37.52 | blockd_ | dimitri: you said you got it, but if not from apt just mentioning that scponly and rssh are both in fact debs (just checked) |
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| 17:38.16 | mike_ | is it "deebian" or "daybian" |
| 17:38.27 | valdyn | !debain |
| 17:38.27 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 17:38.30 | dvs | mike_: It's like the two names |
| 17:38.40 | blockd_ | Deborah and Ian |
| 17:38.46 | blockd_ | deb-ian |
| 17:38.54 | mike_ | i mean pronounciation |
| 17:38.55 | quitte | dehbian? |
| 17:39.01 | dimitri | blockd_: I got it as I understand what it is for :) I am still trying to get info about how to set up sshd so that I give ftp access and I can't find amything howto on the net |
| 17:39.10 | blockd_ | supposedly... but I still fall back to sometimes saying "dee-bee-an" |
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| 17:40.28 | blockd_ | dimitri: sshd doesn't do ftp... just sftp. But was that a typo or do you want sftp and ftp? |
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| 17:40.57 | blockd_ | dimitri: sftp != ftp over ssl, if that helps. |
| 17:41.04 | dimitri | blockd_: no I want sftp sorry |
| 17:41.19 | jvw | 'the first dpl'? |
| 17:41.23 | dimitri | blockd_: yes I understand that now |
| 17:41.25 | jvw | wtf |
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| 17:41.42 | blockd_ | debian project leader I |
| 17:41.46 | blockd_ | 'm guessing |
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| 17:41.50 | jvw | it's the founder. SOmeone is confusing Ian Jackson with Ian Murdock |
| 17:42.17 | dvs | jvw: Lord of the Distro? |
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| 17:42.20 | jvw | the former is the author of the constitution, but actually Ian Murdock founded it |
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| 17:43.10 | midas | I'm having problems installing a wifi card (SMC2802W V2). Any indication? |
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| 17:43.49 | jvw | midas: you're having problems installing a wifi card -- that's as much as I can say about it with that amount of info you've given... |
| 17:44.06 | jvw | midas: (aka: what is exactly your problem?) |
| 17:44.43 | blockd_ | dimitri: the default debian installation of ssh should already allow you to sftp into it |
| 17:44.57 | blockd_ | dimitri: that's why I pointed out that subsystem line in the config file |
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| 17:45.31 | dimitri | blockd_: yes you are right ! thanks a lot |
| 17:45.40 | blockd_ | dimitri: but so you're not getting broken into, it's still good to learn about sshd. Like RSA keys (man ssh-keygen) and make sure your passwords are good. |
| 17:45.51 | midas | jvw: I've tried to install modules prism54, but it doesn't work |
| 17:46.12 | blockd_ | dimitri: it's pretty common nowadays to get password bruteforced... |
| 17:46.25 | dimitri | blockd_: no sure I know that, I already use sshd and have a https config on apache |
| 17:46.32 | midas | jvw: Now I'm trying with ndiswrapper, but I cant make it work |
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| 17:46.44 | dimitri | blockd_: yes I got broken into because of that yesterday ! |
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| 17:47.12 | blockd_ | dimitri: because of apache? Or have you already been running sshd? |
| 17:48.22 | blockd_ | dimitri: actually nevermind... |
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| 17:49.09 | blockd_ | dimitri: but you should really read-up on running sshd first then :-) You might want to do things like only allow protocol 2, disallow root logins, and use RSA keys. |
| 17:49.15 | goccia | dimitri: you asked for a url before , i've learnt something at http://www.debian-administration.org/ on sshd |
| 17:49.31 | blockd_ | dimitri: if you use keys instead of passwords you won't need to worry about them getting in the front door :-) |
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| 17:49.36 | pablo_2 | hi |
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| 17:49.50 | jsz-a | hi |
| 17:49.51 | blockd_ | dimitri: if you handle your keys securely anyway... |
| 17:50.08 | jsz-a | how do I make myself write permissions in samba share? |
| 17:50.10 | pablo_2 | does anyone knows how to control a pointer in an X server? (much like you can do with VNC) |
| 17:50.39 | jsz-a | pablo_2: vnc! |
| 17:50.52 | jsz-a | pablo_2: apt-cache search vnc |
| 17:50.53 | pablo_2 | jsz-a, without VNC... |
| 17:51.05 | pablo_2 | just through X |
| 17:51.10 | jsz-a | why without it? |
| 17:51.21 | jsz-a | what do you mean 'just through x'? |
| 17:51.21 | mike_ | uhm |
| 17:51.26 | m0rbid | Im sorry I was afk for a sec, didnt notice if anyone happened to make a suggestion to my problem, may I re-ask? |
| 17:51.28 | mike_ | pablo_2: are they running kde? |
| 17:51.29 | dimitri | blockd_: I see so instead of using their passwords, they use their keys, right ? but what so bad about using passwords since traffic is encrypted |
| 17:51.34 | pablo_2 | because I need to access a remote workstation |
| 17:51.44 | pablo_2 | mike_, nop, just X and an xterm in it |
| 17:51.50 | blockd_ | dimitri: programs can guess or bruteforce passwords. |
| 17:51.58 | m0rbid | I am currently running testing, and now I am trying to install apt-secure, but I am getting broken packages errors for libstdc++6, any ideas? |
| 17:52.02 | jsz-a | pablo_2: just use ssh |
| 17:52.08 | pablo_2 | jsz-a, and the remote workstation doesn't have VNC installed |
| 17:52.17 | pablo_2 | jsz-a, no SSH access |
| 17:52.25 | tarzeau | 4stagione |
| 17:52.25 | jsz-a | pablo_2: well then you are screwed |
| 17:52.29 | blockd_ | dimitri: it happens regularly. If I have sshd listening on port 22 without restricting the source IP, you get logs full of those. |
| 17:52.29 | jsz-a | telnet? |
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| 17:52.49 | pablo_2 | no telnet either |
| 17:53.06 | blockd_ | dimitri: of course you can limit the logging or connection attempts, but that's not the point :-) |
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| 17:53.33 | dimitri | ok my user are not connecting from the same IP all the time |
| 17:53.35 | pablo_2 | I do can access X through stuff like xwd, but it sucks for doing stuff like this... |
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| 17:54.10 | pablo_2 | ok, thanks guys... |
| 17:54.12 | pablo_2 | bye |
| 17:55.28 | dimitri | blockd_: however I can restrict ssh connection based on the user name: AllowUsers bob chris |
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| 17:56.13 | blockd_ | dimitri: sure, but my point is simply that keys are more secure than passwords. |
| 17:56.15 | jsz-a | how do I make myself write permissions in samba share? |
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| 17:56.38 | abrotman | did you ask #samba ? |
| 17:56.40 | jwormy | has anyone experienced any limitations using Xinerama and Nvidia drivers? Using 1 monitor i can get 1600x1200 but with 2 monitors i can only get 1280x1024 |
| 17:56.48 | jsz-a | no responce |
| 17:56.58 | dimitri | blockd_: yes but my users are not geek you see and I will already have to make the translation between ftp and sftp go smooth |
| 17:56.59 | jsz-a | for 30 minutes |
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| 17:57.06 | dvs | jwormy: have you tried it in *gulp* Windows? |
| 17:57.07 | dimitri | blockd_: although I agree |
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| 17:57.36 | jwormy | dvs, yes.. my resolution can go thru the roof in winders ;) geforce6600 card. |
| 17:57.41 | midas | \quit |
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| 17:57.44 | midas | ay |
| 17:58.28 | dsotm | does anyone know of a system monitor like what one would use gkrellm for, but packaged as a screensaver? |
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| 18:00.56 | dsotm | i guess no? |
| 18:01.15 | ice_1963 | nop |
| 18:01.17 | thingfish | I haven't heard of anything like that, dsotm. |
| 18:01.19 | dvs | exit |
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| 18:01.30 | dsotm | alright, thanks |
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| 18:07.54 | redmoth | Hello, I am having some trouble getting my sound in gnome configured, and i was wondering if anyone would have some advice |
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| 18:08.28 | redmoth | well, its debian stable gnome, but i keep getting this error that says: |
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| 18:08.51 | redmoth | OSS device "dev/dsp" is being used by another program |
| 18:08.52 | mmiikkee12 | non-debian question but... |
| 18:09.11 | mmiikkee12 | how do i enable saying !whatever on my blootbot irc bot? |
| 18:09.17 | redmoth | well i tried at #gnome, but they directed me to try a different distro |
| 18:09.20 | mmiikkee12 | (the same one used for dpkg here) |
| 18:09.56 | cahoot_ | redmoth: check what's occupying it with lsof or fuser |
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| 18:10.30 | redmoth | i did the fuser -v /dev/dsp and it says that me (my username) is aoccupying it |
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| 18:12.05 | redmoth | i just tried alsaconfig to try and make sure that the sound server was configured right and it seems to be |
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| 18:12.25 | redmoth | should i need to reboot after doing that? |
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| 18:12.49 | Tenkawa | yay |
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| 18:13.15 | Tenkawa | Up and running Linux on my nforce 430 board and sata drive now :) |
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| 18:15.41 | blockd_ | dimitri: just thought I'd also mention this: sshd in Debian is from OpenSSH (openssh.org). That could also have more useful info for you. |
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| 18:16.05 | blockd_ | dimitri: but maybe you already knew that... just didn't know it could do sftp. Anyway. |
| 18:16.24 | jwormy | i'm having trouble getting my sound going, this happens when i try to load the correct module: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=54207 |
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| 18:18.17 | yang | I got problem with exim - R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
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| 18:18.55 | redmoth | hmm, seemed to have fixed my problem with the sound |
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| 18:19.33 | redmoth | there is a screen during install where you select the sound wrapper, what is that we are configuring? |
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| 18:20.29 | hipisek | Witam |
| 18:20.45 | redmoth | ahh, the mozilla-browser sound wrapper |
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| 18:21.02 | jsz-a | anyone had much luck getting a ISA soundblaster 16 vibra working? |
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| 18:27.10 | piebo | How to create a local package mirror from the debian cd roms? |
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| 18:28.06 | learnfromscratch | i have a radeon video card and knoppix live cd by default does not have compatable xserver for radeon. i am building a new livecd . what program should i add to make it boot in my comp ? |
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| 18:28.48 | SlayerXP | learnfromscratch: the first thing you need to learn is that this is #debian and not #knoppix |
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| 18:30.09 | learnfromscratch | i never that there was a channel called #knoppix.. sorry dude.. but knoppix is debian based.. |
| 18:30.19 | mmiikkee12 | !not debian |
| 18:30.19 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
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| 18:30.51 | Thaiger | If I insert or remove a pcmcia card while debian is booted it just stops, but if I insert it then boot it will detect the card, but if I remove it it will lock again |
| 18:31.04 | ice_1963 | that's RIGHT |
| 18:31.08 | Led_Zeppelin | lol |
| 18:31.34 | jwormy | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=54207 :( |
| 18:31.35 | jbroome | botsmackdown! |
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| 18:32.55 | fbi | jwormy: you need to patch your 2.4 kernel with alsa-modules-$(uname -r) *OR* install a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 18:34.07 | jwormy | fbi, installing a 2.6 kernel would be great but i'm to afriad of losing my nvidia support... i guess i'll try patching |
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| 18:34.45 | ice_1963 | well jest reinstall nvidia |
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| 18:35.21 | jwormy | i couldn't get nvidia going with 2.6.12 yesterday, which is how i ended up with debian. |
| 18:35.39 | ice_1963 | yes you can |
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| 18:35.46 | Tortel | jwormy: 2.6.8 has nvidia support |
| 18:35.50 | Tortel | in binarys |
| 18:35.57 | jwormy | ooooo |
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| 18:36.29 | ice_1963 | jest /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:36.48 | jsz-a | Bandwidth: (Current Downstream: 15.23kb/s ¤ Current Upstream: 938.28kb/s) |
| 18:37.14 | jsz-a | :) |
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| 18:42.48 | Tortel | Should I keep the old 2.4 kernel if I only use 2.6.8? |
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| 18:44.08 | ice_1963 | uninstall it |
| 18:44.13 | Tortel | done |
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| 18:45.24 | naphex | I understand I can set a local domain name with dnsmasq. Is it also possible to do it only editing /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts? I could not understand that from man hostname... |
| 18:45.44 | SimonRaven | Tortel: 2.6 is stable enough now to remove it |
| 18:45.46 | pablo4545 | hi, how could i configure grub to read a serial ata bootable hd |
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| 18:48.38 | DaFonz | hello, somebody here to help me with exim4 setup? |
| 18:48.55 | DaFonz | trying to set it up with Maildir |
| 18:49.01 | SimonRaven | #exim |
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| 18:49.25 | DaFonz | thanks |
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| 18:50.32 | mfrisch | OK this is new to me. I have around a couple of hundred megs in var. I am using du to find out. When I do a df it says I am using 1.8 gigs. What did I bork?? |
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| 18:52.26 | Pryon | mfrisch: what makes you thing something is broken? |
| 18:52.42 | wolfdream | when I use rsync from one samba mount to another, it's always sending every file... any hints? |
| 18:52.43 | Pryon | s/thing/think/ |
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| 18:52.58 | blondie | mfrisch: space reserved for root? |
| 18:53.04 | blockd_ | mfrisch: did you mount something over /var perhaps? |
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| 18:53.25 | m0rbid | can someone help me with apt secure in testing? |
| 18:53.32 | mfrisch | blockd_ donot think I checked fstab its cool. |
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| 18:53.43 | wolfdream | that is, unless I use checksum, then it does the proper diff |
| 18:54.06 | Pimpi | mfrisch: executed du as user root? |
| 18:54.06 | mfrisch | blondie how do I tell? |
| 18:54.30 | m0rbid | I have read the documentation that dpkg says to, but I am getting dependancy errors with libstdc++6 |
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| 18:54.40 | mfrisch | Pimpi sudo du -h /var/cache etc. |
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| 18:55.09 | ice_1963 | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:55.15 | Pimpi | mfrisch: and /var/cache is a partition of itself? |
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| 18:55.35 | wolfdream | I've looked at the file dates and times, and they're the same on the source and dest |
| 18:55.40 | m0rbid | ice_1963, was that meant for me? |
| 18:55.43 | wolfdream | as are the sizes |
| 18:55.56 | ice_1963 | yes |
| 18:56.02 | blockd_ | mfrisch: I just mean maybe you once had /var as part of the root partition, but now /var is mounted over it as its own partition. Maybe not, but that might account for the discrepancy. |
| 18:56.04 | mfrisch | Pimpi no var is by itself I did the command for each dir in var and added them together |
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| 18:56.30 | Pimpi | mfrisch: _many_ _really_ small files probably? |
| 18:56.36 | m0rbid | ice_1963: what does that have to do with anything? I added the experimental source like the doc says to, but when I try to actually install it I get errors. |
| 18:57.07 | ice_1963 | that's how you get to your sources list |
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| 18:57.34 | m0rbid | yes I know that, but that has nothing to do with my problem. |
| 18:57.35 | mfrisch | blockd_ that sounds like it but I did not touch var I just made swap and tmp crypttabed |
| 18:57.54 | m0rbid | its running apt-get install apt/experimental |
| 18:57.56 | Pimpi | mfrisch: du adds the file sizes, while df adds the sizes of used inodes |
| 18:57.58 | blockd_ | mfrisch: ok... strange problem... |
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| 18:58.49 | ice_1963 | hmm |
| 18:58.51 | mfrisch | blockd_ do you think the data on the partition is borked or do you think its ok to back up |
| 18:59.11 | DaFonz | Everybody in #exim is asleep.. anyone here that is willing to answer some of my questions? |
| 18:59.19 | Pimpi | mfrisch: if you have big inodes and many small files much more space is blocked than du suggests |
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| 19:00.12 | mfrisch | Pimpi but it was 200 mb yesterday. I thinks it something else |
| 19:00.26 | blockd_ | mfrisch: Sorry, I don't have enough info to know what's going on with it... and even then. |
| 19:00.29 | jelly | mfrisch: maybe you have deleted files opened by some process? lsof|grep deleted |
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| 19:01.20 | mfrisch | jelly something on tmp and something on home. |
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| 19:02.39 | psicose | hi gang |
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| 19:03.17 | mfrisch | jelly Pimpi blockd_ THANKS for the Ideas!! |
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| 19:04.07 | psicose | which one is better OS gentoo or Debian? nione.. |
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| 19:04.26 | jelly | mfrisch: what filesystem type is this? What does df -i report? If you have lots of small files, it would also show on df -i. |
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| 19:05.05 | black | hello everybody |
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| 19:05.26 | black | I want to create an installer with autotools but I am having a problem |
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| 19:05.44 | black | anybody has experience? |
| 19:05.52 | wolfdream | when I use rsync from one samba mount to another, it's always sending every file... even when I use -u. However, when I use -c, it sends nothing because the source and destination are the same. I've checked the source and destination file times and sizes with the following incantation: ls -al /mnt/music > music.txt; ls -al /mnt/music2 > music2.txt; diff music.txt music2.txt. I know the file times and sizes are the same. Any hints? |
| 19:05.55 | lafayette84 | hi all, a tool to monitor the signal quality for wifi? |
| 19:06.27 | lafayette84 | possibly non DE-dependant |
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| 19:07.12 | elephantMan | DOes vmware can use an existing WinXp system that is dualbootable ? |
| 19:07.24 | elephantMan | Instead of installing a fake one from linux ? |
| 19:07.45 | Kempston_ | sometimes, it depends on motherboard |
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| 19:08.40 | ma3x | This I don't understand. Yesterday I scanned my harddrive for badblocks, and it showed. Today I erased the partition and created a new one, and it doesn't show them anymore. |
| 19:08.47 | ma3x | how is that possible? |
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| 19:11.03 | nix | ma3x: depending on your drive, it should auto-remap bad blocks to other portions of the harddrive. |
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| 19:12.07 | ma3x | nix when does it remap them? when I erase/create partition |
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| 19:12.21 | Kempston_ | ma3x i have same issue |
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| 19:12.37 | Kempston_ | i heard some disk have reserved space |
| 19:12.42 | ma3x | Kempston_, I beg you tell me about it |
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| 19:13.07 | Kempston_ | maybe they also have some way to use it for hardware remapping bad blocks |
| 19:13.17 | Kempston_ | silly idea thou |
| 19:13.33 | Kempston_ | most definatly thos bad blocks were not that bad after all |
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| 19:14.06 | ma3x | Kempston_, yesterday I was told that if I have badblocks, I can throw away the hard drive |
| 19:14.16 | Kempston_ | well |
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| 19:14.23 | Kempston_ | chances are they wll come back |
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| 19:14.41 | Kempston_ | and if they will they will destroy some of your data |
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| 19:14.43 | ma3x | Kempston_, and then what do I do? |
| 19:14.44 | Kempston_ | which is not good |
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| 19:14.56 | Kempston_ | throw awa hard drive :) |
| 19:14.57 | ma3x | Kempston_, they already destroyed a bit of my data |
| 19:15.02 | djax | Hi |
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| 19:16.22 | |splat| | hi, i just installed x-window-system and fvwm, ran xf86config, and now when i type startx it tells me it can't open /dev/input/mice ... i'm on a laptop with one of those trackpointers, i am pretty sure it is setup to be a ps/2 mouse |
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| 19:16.33 | |splat| | and i set up X to recognize it as a ps/2 mouse |
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| 19:16.52 | blockd_ | |splat|: try /dev/psaux instead |
| 19:17.01 | |splat| | i have that set in XF86Config |
| 19:17.18 | |splat| | where else can i check to make sure it is set? |
| 19:17.40 | wolfdream | Everyone over in #samba is sleeping. Anyone have some time for an rsync question? |
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| 19:18.19 | bizkit | porn-get jenna jameson, i love it 8> |
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| 19:18.44 | poop | E: Couldn't find package porn-get |
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| 19:19.38 | stew | |splat|: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:19.59 | |splat| | 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 19:20.00 | bizkit | !tell poop about pr0n |
| 19:20.06 | |splat| | its a fresh sarge install |
| 19:20.22 | mike_ | !tell me about pr0n |
| 19:20.27 | bizkit | !pr0n |
| 19:20.27 | dpkg | well, pr0n is porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 19:20.38 | |splat| | haha |
| 19:20.55 | wolfdream | gawdam, it's a beautiful world |
| 19:20.58 | mike_ | haha |
| 19:21.18 | mike_ | some how i woke up to icons on my xfce4 desktop |
| 19:21.26 | mike_ | i was visited by the icon fairy |
| 19:22.19 | bizkit | wolfdream: sorry, never used rsync to sync samba shares, why do you have to mount the shares via samba? |
| 19:22.34 | |splat| | stew - i will eventually need to compile my own kernel to get ndiswrapper working |
| 19:23.03 | wolfdream | bizkit: I'm using two of those Buffalo TeraStations (NAS) |
| 19:23.20 | wolfdream | bizkit: they only provide samba access |
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| 19:23.31 | poop | hah |
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| 19:24.23 | Syruss | guys, any idea how I can get the actual kernel source for my stock kernel (2.6.8-2-386), I tried using this to find the right package but it returned nothing: apt-cache search 2.6.8-2-386 | grep -i source |
| 19:24.48 | Syruss | I have kernel headers, but the modules I need to compile require the complete source |
| 19:25.00 | BullWeivel | Syruss: dont be so specific in your search... try 2.6 | grep source |
| 19:25.03 | BullWeivel | dont laugh...my debian boxes is screwed because i forgot root password. Now i know i can rescue disk in and change the /etc/passwd... BUT i have a problem. I dont have a floppy drive on this box. I do have a CD rom....anyone know of a debian rescue cd rom ??? |
| 19:25.10 | |splat| | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:25.16 | bizkit | wolfdream: that's bad. i always had problems when trying to sync special file data like last changed, permissions and stuff via samba. perhaps it's up to samba which uses things like the archive bit and other fat* filesystem stuff, dunno. sorry, can't help you out |
| 19:25.30 | Syruss | |splat|: E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:25.32 | ttz | hi there ! I would like someone to _bounce_ (not forward) the recent Debian Security Advisory about Courier to ttz@chchile.org please (yes, I know it's available on www, but I need the mail for testing a software, thanks) |
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| 19:25.38 | Syruss | (hence my grep returned nothing) |
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| 19:25.52 | wolfdream | bizkit: thanks for trying! |
| 19:25.56 | Syruss | I have normal apt repos in my sources.list |
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| 19:26.12 | poop | Bull: knoppix or get the install cd to a point and you can alt-F2 to mount the partition |
| 19:26.12 | blockd_ | Syruss: lose the -386 from the end |
| 19:26.24 | Syruss | E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-2 |
| 19:26.26 | Syruss | nope |
| 19:26.33 | blockd_ | in fact, maybe just lose the -2 as well :) |
| 19:26.38 | BullWeivel | doh....didnt remember about knoppix... will go that route |
| 19:26.38 | |splat| | kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 19:26.42 | |splat| | no -2-386 |
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| 19:26.49 | Syruss | 2.6.8 exists, but compiling against that creates unresolved symbol problems... |
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| 19:26.58 | Syruss | which means that it's not really the same kernel at a guess. |
| 19:27.00 | poop | kernel-tree-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source tree for building Debian kernel images |
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| 19:27.46 | Syruss | well, the source doesn't match the kernel anyway |
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| 19:27.51 | Syruss | poop: will that create /usr/src/linux source tree for my specific kernel? |
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| 19:28.52 | davFr | 'lo |
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| 19:29.18 | poop | Syruss: You might need to copy /boot/config... and make oldconfig or something, also look at conf-var in /usr/share/doc/kernel-image.. |
| 19:29.36 | Syruss | hrmm |
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| 19:29.59 | Syruss | that's cool, didn't realise the stock .config was in /boot |
| 19:30.01 | Syruss | handy. |
| 19:30.02 | Talpa43 | lo everyone |
| 19:30.15 | grueni | hi, can anyone help me with /dev/stderr problem? |
| 19:30.49 | poop | What's /dev/stderr? |
| 19:30.50 | nix | hmm. if there's a clear void wireless_send_event in net/core/wireless.c, how come if i compile a wireless nic module, it says unresolved s |
| 19:30.54 | Syruss | heh |
| 19:30.54 | nix | ymbol wireless_send_event |
| 19:30.56 | Syruss | who knows |
| 19:30.56 | Syruss | :) |
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| 19:31.31 | bizkit | !tell grueni about anyone |
| 19:31.33 | bizkit | !tell grueni about ask |
| 19:31.33 | grueni | as user i can do i.e. echo test > /dev/stderr, as user nobody i get a permission denied |
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| 19:32.00 | Syruss | I ought to just put together my own kernel |
| 19:32.29 | poop | grueni: Do said user own the tty? |
| 19:32.43 | grueni | bizkit: ??? |
| 19:32.55 | [1Lc]Angel{RGC} | Anyone know a web page I can go for a print of of what error message are? I get a error Login[309] unable to transfer TTY1 for root then end up at a (noname) prompt |
| 19:32.56 | grueni | poop: i am in xterm |
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| 19:33.29 | blockd_ | grueni: check out "ls -l" and follow the trail of symlinks... |
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| 19:33.56 | poop | What blockd said. |
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| 19:34.16 | blockd_ | grueni: if I'm logged in, then /dev/stderr ultimately symlinks to my terminal, which only I can write to |
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| 19:34.25 | thecoolestcow | greetings, men |
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| 19:35.28 | grueni | blockd_: problem is more complex. I am writing a filter for cups. |
| 19:35.29 | Talpa43 | blockd_ : what return a ls -l /dev/stderr? |
| 19:35.37 | m0rbid | ughh |
| 19:35.48 | Talpa43 | err grueni sorry |
| 19:35.48 | m0rbid | this is pissing me off, it went fine when I had unstable. |
| 19:35.53 | poop | a permissions problem isn't very complex |
| 19:35.53 | blockd_ | actually, I guess it symlinks to proc/self... |
| 19:36.00 | grueni | talpa43: it's a link to /dev/pts/6 |
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| 19:36.14 | magyar | how can i view a usb pen drive in konquerer just like "floppy" "cdrom" ...etc under media? |
| 19:36.16 | Talpa43 | and a ls -l /dev/pts/6? |
| 19:36.22 | bizkit | grueni: the problem is permission related, perhaps you start your app using another user and switching to nobody without creating an own tty |
| 19:36.33 | thecoolestcow | whats the site for the pastebox? |
| 19:36.54 | bizkit | !pastebin |
| 19:36.54 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 19:37.02 | grueni | bizkit: for test, i start xterm as user grueni, then su to root, then su to nobody |
| 19:37.07 | jla | Is there software in Sarge for cataloging video file content? (i've searched, but maybe not with the right key-words) |
| 19:37.15 | bizkit | grueni: thats it, the pty is owned by grueni |
| 19:37.35 | bizkit | grueni: and it is just u+rw,o-rwx,g-rwx |
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| 19:38.07 | [1Lc]Angel{RGC} | Anyone know what "Login[309]" is? tldp.org and google have turned up nothing... |
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| 19:38.26 | grueni | bizkit: ok, the group is tty and this should be the problem... |
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| 19:39.08 | Syruss | oh man, debian is a pain when it comes to kernel modules. |
| 19:39.11 | Syruss | :/ |
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| 19:39.41 | [1Lc]Angel{RGC} | Guess not maybe an easier question...What's the command to list all my partitions? |
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| 19:39.44 | bizkit | grueni: i wouldn't add nobody to group tty. just create an own user for this app.. |
| 19:39.46 | takatumi | Syruss: you need to enjoy module-assistant |
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| 19:40.05 | fbi | [1Lc]Angel{RGC}: df -h |
| 19:40.05 | bigboss | one question how can i select in apt the mysql 4.0 version not the 4.1 |
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| 19:40.08 | jla | [1Lc]Angel{RGC} fdisk -l /device |
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| 19:40.10 | [1Lc]Angel{RGC} | thank you |
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| 19:40.24 | takatumi | !nickometer [1Lc]Angel{RGC} |
| 19:40.26 | dpkg | '[1Lc]Angel{RGC}' is 48.000% lame, takatumi |
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| 19:40.34 | takatumi | hmm, modest. |
| 19:40.34 | jla | [1Lc]Angel{RGC} where is Login[nnn]? |
| 19:40.36 | grueni | bizkit: the plan is that other people use my skript. I don't want to change their system. There is no problem in perl when using print STDERR "test" |
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| 19:40.47 | goron | I have a site bookmarked in gftp and I can login, but I lost the password. Is there some easy way to extract the password from gftp? |
| 19:40.59 | bigboss | whats the name of the german chanel |
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| 19:41.04 | bizkit | !de |
| 19:41.04 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 19:41.08 | [1Lc]Angel{RGC} | Funny how people think a name matters...Sounds like someone needs to get out of the house more then once a year...Take care |
| 19:41.13 | bigboss | thanks |
| 19:41.22 | poop | I wonder gdm blinks annoyingly and loses focus when I try to configure it. |
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| 19:43.04 | thecoolestcow | hey can someone help me out? whenever i install something new, i get a locale/perl problem, shown in this picture, and i don't know what to do: http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/3096/problem2mx.jpg |
| 19:43.44 | nix | in general, an 'unresolved symbol blabla' error points out that there's some code missing which is needed, right? |
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| 19:44.25 | leverkruid | grueni: From a shell script use: echo "test" > 2 |
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| 19:44.44 | grueni | leverkruid: i use tcsh, i'll test if it works |
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| 19:45.17 | omry | nix, linking error. possibly missing library. |
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| 19:45.26 | systems | hiyaz |
| 19:45.27 | ich | hey does anyone know how to reset user rights? i was so stupid to change some userrights of system files now my server dows not work anymore! |
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| 19:45.35 | grueni | leverkruid: no, but i think you wanted to say something like > &2 or > 2&? |
| 19:45.36 | thecoolestcow | chmod |
| 19:45.42 | thecoolestcow | ich: man chmod |
| 19:45.52 | systems | after i installed a kernel 2.6 image X wont start ?? |
| 19:45.55 | grueni | leverkruid: i already tried, but didn't worked |
| 19:45.55 | ich | yes but i cant access my server anymore xD |
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| 19:46.02 | thecoolestcow | haha nice |
| 19:46.05 | ich | ^^ |
| 19:46.08 | sniperjo | hi guys, i have some folders in my directory that i cant upload to, how can i allow myslef to upload and change files ? |
| 19:46.09 | systems | :) |
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| 19:46.20 | thecoolestcow | dono then, ich, keep askin |
| 19:46.22 | systems | what can i do |
| 19:46.25 | ich | kk^^ |
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| 19:46.44 | leverkruid | grueni: Not really. >&2 duplicates stdout to stderr. |
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| 19:47.18 | leverkruid | grueni: echo "test" > 2 is equivalent ot Perl's print STDERR "test" |
| 19:47.20 | grueni | leverkruid: > 2 should redirect to file named 2, so it's not useful for me ;-) |
| 19:47.29 | sniperjo | hi guys, i have some folders in my directory that i cant upload to, how can i allow myslef to upload and change files ? |
| 19:47.29 | josep | &> |
| 19:47.52 | blondie | sniperjo: chmod +w ? |
| 19:47.55 | grueni | leverkruid: ok, now i got you, you are in perl, i was in bash/tcsh |
| 19:48.17 | thecoolestcow | hey, can someone help me with this problem: http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/3096/problem2mx.jpg |
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| 19:48.22 | grueni | leverkruid: i could use perl, but i prefer tcsh :-( |
| 19:48.57 | magyar | where can i read about changes to "updated" packages? |
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| 19:50.30 | thecoolestcow | does anyone know how to fix locale problems and perl problems? |
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| 19:50.55 | twisted` | ey, how can I set a maximum download speed for my debian sources? |
| 19:51.07 | grueni | talpa43: /dev/pts/6 is crw--w---- 1 grueni tty, so the reason is clear, i used it as nobody which isn't in group tty |
| 19:51.39 | leverkruid | grueni: Sorry, you are right, >2 is not OK |
| 19:51.48 | grueni | talpa43: but in real skript it's more complex, because my script is called by cups |
| 19:51.49 | leverkruid | grueni: Try this: echo "test" 1>&2 |
| 19:51.55 | thecoolestcow | is there any way to reconfigure or set to default my locale settings? |
| 19:52.02 | grueni | leverkruid: in bash or tcsh? |
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| 19:52.22 | leverkruid | grueni: It works in bash; I do not know tcsh |
| 19:52.26 | thingfish | thecoolestcow: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:53.00 | thecoolestcow | thingfish: setting locale failed. |
| 19:53.13 | grueni | leverkruid: cool, it works, thx, hope there is solution in tcsh too |
| 19:53.18 | thecoolestcow | thingfish: locales is broken or not fully instlaled |
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| 19:55.16 | thingfish | thecoolestcow: how did that happen? |
| 19:55.19 | Syruss | takatumi: cheers man |
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| 19:56.49 | takatumi | Syruss: np |
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| 19:57.02 | Syruss | (it worked) |
| 19:57.06 | Syruss | no hastle. |
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| 19:58.18 | thecoolestcow | thingfish: no clue, mate. |
| 19:58.40 | thecoolestcow | thingfish: this happens whenever i try to do like, anything: http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/3096/problem2mx.jpg |
| 19:59.56 | thingfish | thecoolestcow: what does dpkg -s locales show? |
| 20:00.15 | thingfish | the Status part |
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| 20:01.53 | thecoolestcow | thingfish: http://pastebin.ca/33220 |
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| 20:03.08 | thingfish | thecoolestcow: have you tried reinstalling locales? |
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| 20:03.18 | bedouin | Every time I login to my machine I get a message saying I have new mail even though I have no new mail in my folder, nothing in /var/spool/mail/username, and I've deleted any mail cronjobs have sent me. Any idea how I can stop this? |
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| 20:04.16 | ice_1963 | maybe update's |
| 20:04.27 | ricochet | Question: I attempted to upgrade woody-> sarge, I followed the release instructions, but my sendmail is giving me an error about libsasl2.so.2: no version information available (needed my send-mail) |
| 20:04.36 | nix | bedouin: login as in remote via ssh? or login into your graphical desktop? |
| 20:05.05 | nix | ricochet: apt-get install libsasl2 |
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| 20:05.31 | bedouin | nix: via ssh |
| 20:05.35 | doubleukay | is there anything special about dpatches that i should know about? |
| 20:05.45 | doubleukay | or is it just a normal patch with that preamble.. |
| 20:05.53 | g3brown | I have 2.6.8 kernel. Can this be apt-get updated to something like 2.6.9 or does any kernel upgrade/update require a recompile? |
| 20:06.12 | bedouin | it's the standard "you have mail" notice after the mord |
| 20:06.13 | nix | bedouin: check ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile or /etc/bashrc or /etc/bash*, given that bash is your login shell. |
| 20:06.15 | bedouin | motd |
| 20:06.30 | poop | g3: It's the latest in sarge. |
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| 20:06.32 | bedouin | what should I check it for? |
| 20:06.43 | thingfish | g3brown: you could get a kernel from testing or even unstable, but that's not really recommended. It's best to just stick with sarge's kernel, if it meets all your needs. |
| 20:06.44 | bedouin | it only started doing this a couple days ago |
| 20:06.46 | nix | bedouin: something with mail? |
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| 20:07.21 | g3brown | In theory if they came out with incremental updates, can you patch them or do you have to recompile? |
| 20:07.22 | cacto | hey folks |
| 20:07.31 | cacto | how do I uninstall the NVidia drivers? |
| 20:07.47 | nix | i'm getting "raid5: switching cache buffer size" errors about every 15-20 seconds on a 2.4 kernel software raid5 system with XFS filesystem. everything is working fine (for several months already), but the logs are full of it. anyone know if this does any harm at all? |
| 20:07.48 | grueni | i worded around by using sh -c "echo test >&2" in my tcsh script, to all: forget about this redirection to > /dev/stdout, thx to all who helped me |
| 20:07.54 | thingfish | g3brown: if there were to be a security update, you would just apt-get it, no need for compiling. |
| 20:07.55 | bedouin | no.. nothing there |
| 20:08.11 | ricochet | nix, I have that package |
| 20:08.12 | thingfish | cacto: how did you install them? |
| 20:08.15 | nix | cacto: /usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall? given that you used the nvidia package |
| 20:08.28 | g3brown | thingfish: like in 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 20:08.31 | tarzeau | oh don't miss http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/english/prog.html |
| 20:08.32 | cacto | not really...Ive got the "debian" ones... |
| 20:08.33 | tarzeau | !umeet |
| 20:08.47 | tarzeau | dpkg umeet is this week only, http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/english/prog.html |
| 20:08.47 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 20:08.48 | thingfish | g3brown: yes |
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| 20:09.51 | thingfish | g3brown: apt-get would then download it, install it, and add it to grub. |
| 20:09.52 | thecoolestcow | thingfish: oh. i upgraded my libc but not my locales. i fixed it :D |
| 20:09.57 | jbmigel | does installing gatos replace my installed native drivers or can they both function together? |
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| 20:10.00 | nix | ricochet: did you do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? have you done the dselect update, select, install options? |
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| 20:10.32 | nix | ricochet: you want to make sure that everything is upgraded properly. aptitude is also an option instead of dselect. |
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| 20:10.36 | g3brown | thingfish: when you say add it to grub, it would need to be selected or what? |
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| 20:10.57 | g3brown | thingfish: in otherwords, would you be done after the apt-get? |
| 20:11.20 | ricochet | nix, yeah, I followed.. aptitude process described by the release notes |
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| 20:12.55 | jbmigel | id like to try to get my tv in working today, but not at the cost of my native 3d acceleration if possible. anyone have any exp. here? |
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| 20:15.14 | sniperjo | does VSFTPD allow uploads by defalts ?! |
| 20:15.39 | slibs | probably not |
| 20:15.50 | thingfish | g3brown: sorry, was afk for a moment. Yes, after apt-getting it, you'd just need to reboot to it. |
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| 20:15.55 | bedouin | hmm.. aparently my mail folder got corrupted somehow |
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| 20:16.19 | bedouin | deleted it and now it's acting normal again |
| 20:16.24 | dimitri | does anyone know what grooty is ? I got one ps with that |
| 20:16.25 | bedouin | power got cut the other day.. that probably did it |
| 20:16.27 | Chass | can i use apt-get to simply download a package and not install it? if so, where does it put it? |
| 20:16.28 | chimbo | seeking some advice as the best partitioning option when installing debian? there is an option for desktop machine or multi-user workstation. the pc (there is only 1) will be used by myself and my wife and our 8 yr old. would multi-user workstation be the best option or would desktop machine surfice? |
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| 20:17.21 | nix | chimbo: both would probably work fine. i do not know the exact difference between them though. |
| 20:17.32 | ricochet | nix: any other suggestions? I'll paste the errors in flood if you want to see |
| 20:19.40 | b14ck | Does debian make a good laptop workstation? |
| 20:20.08 | systems | hiw after i upgraded to kernel 2.6 x wont start it complains about missing modules pex5 and xie, and that xf86OpenSerial cannot open /dev/psaux even thought it exists |
| 20:20.24 | Chass | dammit gnucash is broken in unstable |
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| 20:20.56 | sussudio | Chass: O RLY. |
| 20:21.00 | Chass | i just sat down to do my budget.. never realised it uninstalled it :P |
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| 20:21.14 | Chass | dependency issues.. in the process of forcing it to install |
| 20:21.22 | epsilon | does anyone know how to setup a VooDoo2 add on card? |
| 20:21.41 | SJr|Tecra | epsilon why would you want to? |
| 20:21.41 | dimitri | can anyone tells me what is grooty |
| 20:21.42 | sussudio | Chass: IZZAT SO. |
| 20:21.52 | sussudio | epsilon: voodoo... 2? |
| 20:21.59 | Chass | heh, you somehow remind me of simon the sorceror |
| 20:22.00 | nix | ricochet: have you tried apt-get install --reinstall libsasl2? |
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| 20:22.08 | epsilon | SJr|Tecra: cause I have one left and wanna "boost" a box with 2D-card |
| 20:22.09 | ricochet | nix: yep |
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| 20:22.50 | SJr|Tecra | epsilon hmmm I don't know exactly how well that would work |
| 20:22.52 | epsilon | I' happy if I could make the box to play quake2 or tuxracer |
| 20:23.02 | SJr|Tecra | both of those might be out of the question |
| 20:23.12 | dimitri | or GROTTY |
| 20:23.24 | SJr|Tecra | Maybe I'm incorrect but doesn't the Voodoo 2 only support |
| 20:23.28 | SJr|Tecra | argh what was it called |
| 20:23.30 | epsilon | glide libs are installed, but dunno how to make that work with X and in /dev stuff |
| 20:23.30 | SJr|Tecra | Glide |
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| 20:24.42 | DaFonz | Debian Exim4 guru's needed in #exim |
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| 20:24.58 | epsilon | I searched for HOWTO via google, but most FAQ are for redhat or outdated and file sources are dead |
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| 20:25.56 | dimitri | can someone tells me abour grotty, I have read the man but still don't get what it does, can it be used to attack server ? |
| 20:26.09 | Chass | where does apt-get download the packages to if i say download only? |
| 20:26.14 | epsilon | if anyone know a working HOWTO for voodoo2, it'll be fine too |
| 20:26.28 | epsilon | Chass, /var/cache/apt |
| 20:26.33 | Chass | thanks |
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| 20:28.02 | g3brown | When I log into most linux boxes with SecureCRT (SSH) I get a New Host Key box and I can Accept & Save. On Debian I have to generate keys and copy one to my system. Anyone familiar enough with this to shed some light on this for me? |
| 20:28.04 | dimitri | is someone reading me please say something to proove that someone is reading my msg |
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| 20:28.34 | SashOK | «««.·:·.·:·.·:·. Ďđčâĺň âńĺě âńĺě âńĺě .·:·.·:·.·:·.»»» |
| 20:28.35 | epsilon | did anyone see dimitri? He's so quit all theday |
| 20:28.40 | Chass | hmm.. apt-get doesnt let me download if dependencies are broken. what a pain |
| 20:29.02 | slibs | change repositions :3 |
| 20:29.05 | epsilon | you can ignore dependency or download manually from ftp on old-school way |
| 20:29.17 | Chass | i tried ignore dependency |
| 20:29.28 | SashOK | ŕ őóëč đóńńęîăî íĺ çíŕĺě ÷ňîëč? |
| 20:29.29 | epsilon | leech from ftp directly |
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| 20:29.39 | Chass | apt-get install -f -m -d gnucash <-- ignore eveyrthing |
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| 20:29.44 | Chass | oh well, yeah, do it direct |
| 20:29.52 | SashOK | ďîřëč âű íŕőóé |
| 20:29.53 | SashOK | ) |
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| 20:30.19 | epsilon | SashOK, use ASCII or ISO-8859 |
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| 20:31.57 | chimbo | thanks nix |
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| 20:34.48 | Chass | dammit, i cant get gnucash to work under unstable |
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| 20:35.36 | opfoo | anyone know what the hell "cannot handle TLS data" means (NVIDIA GLX)? |
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| 20:37.17 | dimitri | can anyone tell me what grotty is and if it can be used to attack a server please |
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| 20:38.05 | cheal | opfoo: when doing what? |
| 20:38.13 | nix | "grotty translates the output of GNU troff into a form suitable for typewriter-like devices |
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| 20:39.00 | opfoo | cheal: it's peculiar, when I use Java JOGL, I get that message. If I restore the original libGL, it works, but than my video card extensions aren't there. I don't know what "TLS" is... |
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| 20:39.21 | oh-say-i-r-c | hey anybody - PPC question |
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| 20:40.04 | cheal | !ppc |
| 20:40.04 | dimitri | how can I check when a package has been install |
| 20:40.04 | dpkg | well, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 20:40.14 | oh-say-i-r-c | thanks cheal |
| 20:40.24 | epsilon | dimitri, dpkg? |
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| 20:40.37 | cheal | dimitri: if you're on stable and don't use aptitude, you generally can't. otherwise, check dpkg's logs |
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| 20:41.22 | cheal | opfoo: TLS means Thread Local Storage...but don't ask me more :) what kind of libGL do you have? |
| 20:41.38 | dimitri | what package is the command grotty from |
| 20:41.40 | nix | poop: #define "stack" |
| 20:41.52 | opfoo | cheal: the stupid NVidia closed source piece of crap one and Debian 3.1 stable sarge |
| 20:42.08 | cheal | opfoo: ah ok |
| 20:42.20 | opfoo | who knows thanks for the help |
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| 20:43.02 | serij | hi |
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| 20:43.26 | cheal | !tell dimitri about find grotty |
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| 20:44.21 | moshii | is there anything like loadlin that works on NT systems? |
| 20:44.25 | oh-say-i-r-c | basically, on the ppc port, when booting from the install ramdisk, it hangs up at "Starting system log daemon.. syslogd, klogd" - tried all sorts of new memory and several different copies of both the kernel and ramdisk images - anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:44.48 | serij | pizdec 700 tselovek a nekto potsti ne pizdit |
| 20:44.51 | panthera | moshii: no |
| 20:45.14 | oh-say-i-r-c | moshii - why don't you just use grub or lilo? |
| 20:45.57 | amd_goon | oh-say: guess your permissions on /var/ are ok and /var partition is healthy? |
| 20:46.01 | |splat| | ok well i got kernel-image 2.6.8 working and ndiswrapper, but for some reason its like my laptop won't turn the card on |
| 20:46.14 | |splat| | and by "the card" i mean my linksys wpc11 v4 |
| 20:46.14 | oh-say-i-r-c | amd_goon - this is a new install, no current filesystem |
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| 20:46.27 | moshii | oh-say-i-r-c: it's meant to be a route-b loader if the system can't be booted directly ... |
| 20:46.43 | amd_goon | oops, right |
| 20:46.47 | oh-say-i-r-c | this is a geige g3, no direct booting.. damn oldworld... |
| 20:46.52 | oh-say-i-r-c | beige* |
| 20:47.08 | dimitri | I can't find how to get the date of when a package has been install, I had a look in my log but can't find logs for dpkg |
| 20:47.37 | oh-say-i-r-c | moshii - try slackware cd or other linux install disc that gives you a regular prompt |
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| 20:47.56 | poop | I tossed some old pci powermacs, but I still have a dual G5, powermac G4/800, powermac 7500+G3, powermac 6500, and a spare powermac 7300 |
| 20:48.12 | poop | I have debian on my teevee though. |
| 20:48.28 | moshii | oh-say-i-r-c: I actually building a system just like that... encrypted on a USB drive |
| 20:48.33 | oh-say-i-r-c | poop, any special ramdisk image i should use for a ver 2 beige g3? |
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| 20:49.14 | moshii | oh-say-i-r-c: I need loadlin or something like it for machines that can't load syslinux from the drive directly |
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| 20:49.35 | dimitri | could someone please help me know when a package has been installed |
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| 20:49.46 | poop | oh-say: *shrug* |
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| 20:50.11 | oh-say-i-r-c | hmm o.O this has been a major pita |
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| 20:50.21 | poop | oh-say: I like to get rid of that initrd shit ASAP, if you can boot single |
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| 20:50.39 | Chass | hmm.. there is a conflict between slib and guile.. |
| 20:50.58 | dimitri | how can I see the traffic in MB/s ? |
| 20:51.04 | oh-say-i-r-c | poop - yeah as soon as the system is up ill recompile a new kernel that doesnt even have the damned initrd support, but this debian installer kinda needs it |
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| 20:51.29 | poop | oh-say: Can't you use quik, btw? |
| 20:51.39 | oh-say-i-r-c | quik is fucked on this box |
| 20:51.43 | oh-say-i-r-c | even with of 2.4 |
| 20:52.01 | ricochet | Question: I just dist-upgraded woody-> sarge, and my sendmail won't allow me to send mail (relaying denied), it worked fine before the upgrade, what do I check? |
| 20:52.03 | blockd_ | dimitri: aptitude search ~i<nameofpackage-or-blankforall>, or use a gui frontend like synaptic, kpackage, etc. |
| 20:52.07 | oh-say-i-r-c | whenever i install quik after a reboot i get a dead mac - need to clear nvram every time |
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| 20:52.24 | oh-say-i-r-c | havnt tried it poiinting to my new scsi shoebox yet tho |
| 20:52.28 | secureboot | is there any way to see what usb devices are connected and what /dev/usb? they're connected to? |
| 20:52.37 | poop | secureboot: lsusb |
| 20:52.39 | dimitri | thanks blockd_ I have arunning process grotty which I have no idea what is it |
| 20:52.45 | secureboot | poop: thanks. |
| 20:52.46 | oh-say-i-r-c | list your scsi drives - youll see all of them |
| 20:53.05 | dimitri | I have been broken into yesterday I want to make sure this has not been installed yesterday |
| 20:53.06 | blockd_ | dimitri: maybe it's from "man"... that uses a lot of helper programs to format the page |
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| 20:53.54 | secureboot | poop: if i see Bus 003, Device 002, that corresponds to what /dev/usb? 2? |
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| 20:54.17 | amd_goon | dimitri: ps ax --forest to see what is calling it |
| 20:54.19 | dimitri | ah that would make sense |
| 20:54.36 | dimitri | blockd_: so the command would be aptitude search ~i<groff> ? |
| 20:54.47 | blockd_ | dimitri: it's in groff-base |
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| 20:55.08 | dimitri | blockd_: what command can tells me the date of installation |
| 20:55.38 | blockd_ | dimitri: ~i just shows you package names. Honestly I'm not sure about the installation date. I'd have to check. |
| 20:55.54 | dimitri | blockd_: ok |
| 20:55.58 | dimitri | amd_goon: thanks |
| 20:56.11 | oh-say-i-r-c | anybody know if ndiswrapper'd i386 802.11g drivers will work on a PPX box? |
| 20:56.18 | oh-say-i-r-c | ppc* |
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| 20:57.28 | jla | dimitri: maybe /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.list? |
| 20:57.35 | poop | oh: no |
| 20:57.37 | jla | dimitri: the timestamp on that |
| 20:57.39 | amd_goon | oh-say: built for different architecture, no? i386 windows driver not for ppc? |
| 20:58.02 | amd_goon | oh-say: but I'm not that knowledgible in that |
| 20:58.14 | dimitri | jla: that is exactly what I thought :) |
| 20:58.14 | oh-say-i-r-c | i wasnt quite sure if ndiswrapper actually runs the driver or interprets it |
| 20:58.22 | cheal | dimitri: which release do you run? |
| 20:58.27 | poop | no binary translation :) |
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| 20:58.39 | angel_77 | did i can hava in the source.list in a line "testing" and in de other line "stable" ? |
| 20:58.40 | dimitri | cheal: stable |
| 20:58.40 | jla | oh-say: I believe ndiswrapper only works for i386. |
| 20:58.45 | blockd_ | dimitri: one I like for forests is "ps auxfcww" so it will wrap around if it's too long for your terminal |
| 20:58.46 | oh-say-i-r-c | heh damn - i guess i need to find a decent friggin wifi for this peice of crap |
| 20:59.06 | amd_goon | oh-say: right, if there is ndiswrapper for ppc what else would it want for driver?? |
| 20:59.28 | blockd_ | dimitri: or maybe --forest already does that... nm. |
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| 21:00.05 | oh-say-i-r-c | oh well - thats what i assumed but thought id give it a chance |
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| 21:00.40 | jla | amd_goon: ndiswrapper requires the wintel driver to mak ndis calls on |
| 21:01.19 | oh-say-i-r-c | i know - i have the wintel driver, but i was hoping it did some manner of binary translation so that i could use it on ppc |
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| 21:02.01 | jla | oh-say-i-r-c: I'm pretty sure it won't: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:02.07 | jla | first paragraph |
| 21:02.07 | dimitri | blockd_: thanks a lot |
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| 21:02.39 | oh-say-i-r-c | well, it's a wee bit more important to actually get the bloody os instaled before i worry too much about things like ndiswrapper |
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| 21:02.56 | dimitri | blockd_: regarging sftp earlier when you connect via sftp, the directory your root directory is the home of the user ? |
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| 21:03.21 | jla | oh-say-i-r-c: It's better in the long run to get a supported card since the ndis interface is limited. |
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| 21:03.52 | oh-say-i-r-c | jla- i agree, i dont even like the idea of any wintel code running on ANY of my machines, but sacrifices sometimes need be made |
| 21:04.12 | jla | oh-say-i-r-c no argument there. |
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| 21:04.22 | ma3x | hello |
| 21:04.25 | ma3x | I need a little help to read the result of badblocks |
| 21:04.27 | blockd_ | dimitri: do you mean this: if I'm user 'bob' and I sftp in, will I be in ~bob? If so, then yes. |
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| 21:04.32 | ma3x | it says Testing with pattern 0xaa: done 706 |
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| 21:04.37 | ma3x | what means 706? bablocks? |
| 21:04.38 | jla | I'm using it as well, but I cant airsnort |
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| 21:04.54 | oh-say-i-r-c | there is an oss driver being developed for that chipset but i dont know if its stable enough to run on - again, ill work on that driver myself if it is needed, but i need the system installed first |
| 21:05.06 | dimitri | blockd_: how come I have logged with my username and password and I am at the root of the OS ??? |
| 21:05.17 | blockd_ | dimitri: what's your user's home directory? |
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| 21:05.34 | oh-say-i-r-c | dimitri - vipw as root and check ur shell |
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| 21:06.08 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: blockd_ in /etc/passwd, my home directory is /home/dimitri/ |
| 21:06.30 | oh-say-i-r-c | and the permissions on that dir? |
| 21:06.31 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: blockd_, has this anything to do with my shell configuration ? |
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| 21:06.48 | oh-say-i-r-c | it sounds like you dont have execute perms on ur home dir |
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| 21:07.00 | sdakota | hi |
| 21:07.04 | oh-say-i-r-c | maybe a rogue chown? |
| 21:07.12 | blockd_ | dimitri: is this plain sshd or have you also installed something like scponly or rssh as well (as I was talking about before)? |
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| 21:07.27 | sdakota | in apt-get source, how to specify the version of the program you want to get the source of? or is there a way to download older versions? |
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| 21:07.50 | oh-say-i-r-c | apt-get packae-1.2.3 |
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| 21:08.06 | blockd_ | dimitri: or what happens if you "ssh" in intead of "sftp"? The same thing? |
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| 21:08.10 | sdakota | oh-say-i-r-c, apt-get source package-ve.rs.io.n ? |
| 21:08.12 | dimitri | blockd_: no I have used them yet |
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| 21:08.24 | oh-say-i-r-c | sdakota - that should be the one |
| 21:08.45 | blockd_ | dimitri: quick sanity check... /home/dimitri exists, right? |
| 21:08.58 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: how would hte perm of my dir take me to the root / |
| 21:09.00 | sdakota | oh-say-i-r-c, i'll try that |
| 21:09.06 | dimitri | blockd_: yes |
| 21:09.06 | sdakota | oh-say-i-r-c, thanks |
| 21:09.18 | oh-say-i-r-c | dimitri - if u cant log in to your hom dir, login will dump you in / |
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| 21:09.32 | blockd_ | dimitri: what's the output from 'ls -ld /home/dimitry'? |
| 21:09.44 | amd_goon | dimitri: I've seen that problem when /home was not mounted (nfs problem in my case) |
| 21:09.45 | secureboot | hmmm - any other way to figure out what /dev/usb/? node my printer is connected to? lsusb says its on Bus 003, Device 002 |
| 21:10.04 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: that makes sense, can I change this ? I mean the default redirection ? |
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| 21:10.15 | oh-say-i-r-c | change login heh |
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| 21:10.28 | dimitri | blockd_: drwxr-x--x 15 dimitri dimitri 4.0K 2005-12-10 21:01 /home/dimitri/ |
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| 21:10.32 | oh-say-i-r-c | what is the output of ls -ld /home/user? |
| 21:10.39 | oh-say-i-r-c | hmmm |
| 21:10.42 | dimitri | amd_goon: well it is very much mounted |
| 21:10.52 | oh-say-i-r-c | mounted with the correct privs |
| 21:10.54 | dimitri | weird |
| 21:11.07 | cacto | hey...is there any file that root cant erase? |
| 21:11.08 | oh-say-i-r-c | most peculiar... |
| 21:11.12 | dimitri | oh and that would be ? |
| 21:11.57 | oh-say-i-r-c | do normal local logins work? |
| 21:11.59 | nix | kernel: ******* Schedule task fail ********* |
| 21:12.22 | dimitri | yes when log through ssh it gets me to my homw |
| 21:12.23 | dimitri | home |
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| 21:12.36 | nix | no process was eating cpu yet kernel didnt manage to schedule task. /confused |
| 21:12.36 | oh-say-i-r-c | but sftp is fucked? |
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| 21:12.39 | cacto | nvidia???.ko |
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| 21:12.45 | sdakota | oh-say-i-r-c, E: Unable to find a source package for postfix-2.1.5 (I did apt-get source postfix-2.1.5) |
| 21:12.45 | oh-say-i-r-c | check your sshd.conf |
| 21:12.50 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: what do you mean |
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| 21:13.21 | oh-say-i-r-c | your sftpd server is also sshd.. check to make sure you dont have some bad option set in your sshd conf file |
| 21:13.21 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: sshd fucked ? |
| 21:13.30 | Louiz_ | anyone willing to help out a begginner in programming please pvt-me |
| 21:13.33 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: like what ? |
| 21:13.39 | blockd_ | dimitri: well... for me sftp puts me in my home directory. I haven't tweaked it far beyond the default config file. |
| 21:14.08 | oh-say-i-r-c | dimitri - possibly uninstall, remove config and reinstall the pkg if you dont know how to config it? |
| 21:14.09 | dimitri | blockd_: neither did I |
| 21:14.24 | valdyn | sdakota: there's not postfix-2.1.5 package, so how's that supposed to work? |
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| 21:14.39 | oh-say-i-r-c | you said u were broken into.. if i wanteds to leave somethig behind if def play with sshd |
| 21:14.42 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: well that is my only way to connect to the box, I am gonna try to understand the config file |
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| 21:14.58 | dimitri | oh-say-i-r-c: that makes send to |
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| 21:15.05 | blockd_ | dimitri: what program are you using for sftp? "sftp" on linux? (I know you're using sshd for teh server) |
| 21:15.08 | sdakota | valdyn: I asked him how to set a version that I wanted to download with apt-get source packagename, and he said apt-get source packagename-1.2.3 |
| 21:15.10 | blockd_ | *the |
| 21:15.14 | sdakota | valdyn: so that's what I did and that was the output... |
| 21:15.19 | valdyn | sdakota: ah |
| 21:15.21 | oh-say-i-r-c | the client shouldt matter |
| 21:15.24 | poop | If the current sarge alsa-source package doesn't support my hardware, would it be appropriate to file a bug report (same with the kernel package) |
| 21:15.28 | poop | ? |
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| 21:15.40 | poop | lobic: what? |
| 21:15.43 | sdakota | valdyn: so how to download postfix version 2.1.5(-9) ? |
| 21:15.50 | valdyn | sdakota: alright, it does not work that way, there's package names and package versions, you could specify this like: apt-get postfix=2.1.5 iirc |
| 21:15.53 | dimitri | blockd_: I use sshd |
| 21:16.02 | blockd_ | right, but for the client? |
| 21:16.04 | valdyn | sdakota: same for grabbing the source... |
| 21:16.06 | sdakota | valdyn: apt-get source postfix=2.1.5? ok, try that |
| 21:16.11 | blockd_ | dimitri: just eliminating possibilities |
| 21:16.16 | dimitri | do you mean to connect from my computer ? |
| 21:16.26 | blockd_ | dimitri: the client.. so yep |
| 21:16.28 | sdakota | valdyn: unable to find a source package for postfix |
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| 21:16.36 | dimitri | blockd_: I log from BBedit on a mac |
| 21:16.42 | sdakota | valdyn: maybe I need to do apt-get update |
| 21:16.46 | valdyn | sdakota: apt-get source postfix |
| 21:17.11 | valdyn | sdakota: im not even totally sure you can specify a version _at_ _all_ , with apt-get |
| 21:17.14 | blockd_ | dimitri: hm.. maybe try logging into the server *from* the server using sftp. See if it works then. |
| 21:17.20 | valdyn | sdakota: so let me see.. |
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| 21:17.40 | blockd_ | dimitri: just something to try to see if it's a BBedit issue. |
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| 21:17.49 | sdakota | valdyn: is there a way to obtain postfix version 2.1.5 from the aptitude archive? |
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| 21:17.55 | valdyn | sdakota: ok, manpage sais that what i told you is correct |
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| 21:18.26 | valdyn | sdakota: apt-cache show postfix will show all versions you have available |
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| 21:18.36 | sdakota | valdyn: apt-get source postfix works - and wh0a... it ís already version 2.1.5-9 ! o.O |
| 21:18.42 | sdakota | valdyn: sorry - |
| 21:18.46 | blockd_ | dimitri: or BBedit... so you're on a Mac I'm guessing. If it's MacOS X there should be "sftp" from the terminal I believe... |
| 21:18.46 | valdyn | sdakota: nice |
| 21:18.56 | poop | You can prioritize repositories with apt. |
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| 21:19.12 | blockd_ | dimitri: I don't know if you need to specially install it though... |
| 21:19.13 | sdakota | valdyn: I got it from a quite old guide and I heard about a 2.5 version or something, so I thought it was obsolete |
| 21:19.14 | valdyn | sdakota: more comprehensive: apt-cache policy postfix |
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| 21:19.59 | poop | !blacklist |
| 21:19.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 21:20.28 | dimitri | blockd_: when connecting from my box via the command line I get to the right dir, my home directory |
| 21:20.45 | goron | !selftell source |
| 21:20.56 | valdyn | sdakota: 2.2.6-1 is what's in sid, so uh, 2.5 probably doesn't even exist ) |
| 21:20.57 | blockd_ | dimitri: so it's a BBedit issue probably... maybe it doesn't know how to ask for your home directory. |
| 21:21.03 | sdakota | goron: what's !selftell? |
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| 21:21.34 | sdakota | valdyn: strange - my memory must be doing something it shouldn't do o.O |
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| 21:21.37 | valdyn | goron: '/msg dpkg source' |
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| 21:21.42 | streuner | jimbo____: that was a bad idea |
| 21:21.46 | blockd_ | dimitri: strange though, since I've used old mac apps like nifty telnet's SCP without problems |
| 21:21.52 | goron | sdakota: Nothing, but someone mentioned the other day. |
| 21:22.04 | sdakota | goron: odd |
| 21:22.13 | goron | !tell goron about source |
| 21:22.23 | goron | !selftell about source |
| 21:22.34 | valdyn | goron: use /msg please |
| 21:22.39 | blockd_ | dimitri: (telnet in the name, but it does scp) |
| 21:22.46 | dimitri | blockd_: still my server should not allow access below its home dir |
| 21:23.07 | dimitri | blockd_: I have tried with my users password and they can have access to / as well |
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| 21:23.19 | blockd_ | dimitri: that depends on the fs permissions. If you don't like that, then maybe chroot them or make sure the permissions don't allow them to get outside their home dir. |
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| 21:23.43 | dimitri | its not like ftp where they were chrooted inside their home directory, or can I set sftp to do this ? |
| 21:24.04 | dimitri | blockd_: that must be it then, where do I set such permissions? |
| 21:24.14 | blockd_ | dimitri: I can't really give advice there. I haven't tried to do chroot for ssh before. |
| 21:24.30 | dimitri | blockd_: ohoh looks like its not that easy |
| 21:24.33 | valdyn | dimitri: permissions cant fix this |
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| 21:24.59 | sdakota | someone here has some faster aptitude servers? I've got three installed - one of the three is incrédibly slow, the other is slower then normal, the third is slow but it's security so I can't change that |
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| 21:25.19 | valdyn | sdakota: apt-cache search netselect |
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| 21:25.43 | sdakota | valdyn: that'll give me the fastest servers? |
| 21:25.43 | dimitri | valdyn: permissions on what ? on all the dir in / ? I should chmod o= /* ? |
| 21:25.52 | Ronin | damn both the stout and the pale ale are still a little too young |
| 21:25.58 | valdyn | dimitri: dont even try, i told you, permissions cannot do what you want |
| 21:26.08 | valdyn | dimitri: you _will_ break your system trying this |
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| 21:26.14 | dimitri | ah thats what I though I read *ca* |
| 21:26.16 | dimitri | can |
| 21:26.26 | dimitri | valdyn: yes of course I know |
| 21:26.43 | sdakota | valdyn: I'll install netselect and -apt, and man them to see what they can do - thanks for that :) |
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| 21:26.59 | g3brown | In /etc/rc.d/rc5.d their are shortcuts to start stop network services. What is the best way to edit these. Say I want to disable appletalk? |
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| 21:27.42 | thingfish | g3brown: better use something like sysvconfig for that. |
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| 21:28.04 | Peanuts | hmm |
| 21:28.16 | thingfish | g3brown: for disabling appletalk, that is. |
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| 21:28.58 | g3brown | thingfish: that not install? apt-get it? |
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| 21:29.03 | thingfish | g3brown: if you're wanting to restart networking, though, then simply /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:29.30 | thingfish | g3brown: if you're talking about sysvconfig, yes, apt-get should have it. |
| 21:29.30 | Peanuts | Router > Switch > 2 PC's connected using LAN cards .............. will Debian automatically detect the internet connection and run ? |
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| 21:29.38 | g3brown | thingfish: I want to edit the network services. tcp/appletalk/etc |
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| 21:30.04 | valdyn | Peanuts: if you are running a dhcp server |
| 21:30.08 | g3brown | thingfish: in otherwords what loads when I /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:30.41 | thingfish | g3brown: your nics get a new lease, so anything network related restarts too. |
| 21:30.50 | thingfish | if you're using dhcp, that is. |
| 21:30.55 | Peanuts | how do I do that? Windows has made my life miserable, again, so i'm coming back to Debian but this time I have Broadband with the above setup and i dont know what to do if it doesnt detect my internet connection |
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| 21:31.04 | Peanuts | How do I use 'DHCP' ? |
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| 21:31.07 | thingfish | g3brown: look at /etc/interfaces |
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| 21:31.21 | SimonRaven | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:31.23 | streuner | Peanuts: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 21:31.23 | valdyn | Peanuts: your router is maybe a dhcp server, maybe it isnt. |
| 21:31.35 | thingfish | oh sorry, yes, SimonRaven |
| 21:31.54 | thingfish | did you catch that, g3brown? /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:32.01 | Peanuts | so if it is, it will detect? And what if it isnt? |
| 21:32.15 | g3brown | thingfish: yeah, that the nic cards in computer. |
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| 21:32.31 | streuner | Peanuts: try it and see what happens |
| 21:32.36 | valdyn | Peanuts: then you have to set your IP adresses and your default gw and route manually |
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| 21:32.47 | Peanuts | ok! |
| 21:32.48 | g3brown | thingfish: now, I'm after the protocols it uses. Like right now it loads appletalk and I want to turn that off. |
| 21:33.05 | jelly | Peanuts: if windows work correctly using automatic ip address, you probably have dhcp. |
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| 21:33.39 | Peanuts | yes windows works fine and gets ip addresses automatically |
| 21:33.55 | dimitri | blockd_: what did you tell me ealier about protocol version 2 for sshd ? |
| 21:33.58 | thingfish | g3brown: I found it easiest to use sysvconfig to turn off appletalk. |
| 21:34.12 | Neo0019 | Hello everybody I really need some help! |
| 21:34.21 | valdyn | !help Neo0019 |
| 21:34.30 | sussudio | !fist Neo0019 |
| 21:34.31 | blockd_ | dimitri: just that you might want to make that the only version available. There are some problems with version 1. |
| 21:34.32 | valdyn | !fix Neo0019 |
| 21:34.37 | g3brown | thingfish: that not on system by default. I know I can install it, but is their an alternative way? |
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| 21:34.43 | streuner | !ask |
| 21:34.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:35.01 | epsilon | !sex |
| 21:35.01 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 21:35.04 | techno | does anone know how to get sound working on a mac mini under debian unstable |
| 21:35.12 | Neo0019 | OK! |
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| 21:35.20 | blockd_ | dimitri: anyway, not a great suggestion with the perms. But I'm basically thinking just make sure any file/dir you care about isn't readable by them. |
| 21:35.35 | dimitri | blockd_: yes you are right |
| 21:35.42 | dimitri | thanks so much for your help today |
| 21:35.44 | Neo0019 | Does anybody here knows how to install ISO WHAX on a mac? |
| 21:35.44 | thingfish | g3brown: I would imagine there is, but I didn't ever find one. |
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| 21:36.01 | blockd_ | dimitri: e.g., instead of o=rx on the dir, maybe make it o= if that won't break anything... |
| 21:36.33 | streuner | Neo0019: sounds like a question for #debianppc |
| 21:36.54 | Neo0019 | ok thanks |
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| 21:38.48 | sdakota | epsilon: what sick mound made that !ask? ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D |
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| 21:39.21 | poop | I like that sarge mostly works as advertised. |
| 21:39.31 | thingfish | me too. |
| 21:39.40 | sdakota | looooool @ the !sex |
| 21:39.43 | sdakota | !moo |
| 21:39.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 21:39.54 | sdakota | apt-get moo is great too ! ^^ |
| 21:40.03 | spielmann | mozilla and other browsers will freeze when downloading files :( Anybody knows if there should be some forwarded ports to avoid that? (I'm behind a router) |
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| 21:45.33 | lnxnt | can anyone tell me why ~ means COMP in java? what does COMP mean? |
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| 21:48.19 | amd_goon | hello NorFolk |
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| 21:48.26 | sdakota | i'm getting this error: "Starting web server: apacheenv: --start: No such file or directory" when trying to start apache (as root, /etc/init.d/apache start) |
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| 21:48.48 | xsquared | y helo thar. |
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| 21:49.02 | sdakota | and dpkg-reconfigure: command not found o.O |
| 21:49.09 | dinosolaris | hi |
| 21:49.20 | sdakota | and when trying to do /etc/init.d/apache stop, I get: Stopping web server: apache/etc/init.d/apache: line 59: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 21:49.25 | dinosolaris | i have a problem with nvidia-drivers |
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| 21:49.42 | nix | what type of error is this? usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant: relocation error: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.7: undefined symbol: C |
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| 21:49.49 | |splat| | i just tried using GDM to check it out, but now i can't log in, keeps saying it can't connect to :0.0...how can i remove GDM and go back to the old login? |
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| 21:50.14 | xsquared | |splat|: its called apt |
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| 21:50.25 | fbi | |splat|: apt-get --purge remove gdm |
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| 21:50.39 | tarzeau | does debian consider the Lucent Public License verison 1.02 dfsg compliant? |
| 21:50.40 | ricochet | is sendmail (sarge) compiled with AUTH ? |
| 21:50.44 | amd_goon | splat: remove the link from the proper runlevel for gdm or dpkg-reconfigure xdm (I believe) |
| 21:51.09 | Xgates | hey just thought I'd let you guys know if anyone is looking for a nice box have one for sale almost new, PM me if interested, thanks |
| 21:51.22 | streuner | ricochet: get sources and take a look in debian/control file |
| 21:51.46 | Tony_Sidaway | sdakota, looks like you path may be fucked. If you can't find start-stop-daemon and it is installed (it should be) |
| 21:52.10 | fbi | Xgates: this isn't eBay. |
| 21:52.19 | tarzeau | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/lucent1.02.php |
| 21:52.22 | sdakota | Tony_Sidaway: I used su, maybe it's that? I'll try it again with sudo as a normal user |
| 21:52.45 | sdakota | Tony_Sidaway, Okay, That seemed to work ^^ Thanks! |
| 21:52.53 | Tony_Sidaway | yay! |
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| 21:53.25 | xsquared | which filesystem should i choose? Reiser looks good but you can't use it under bsd |
| 21:53.25 | xsquared | i hear ext3 is just as shit as ext2 |
| 21:53.28 | sdakota | Tony_Sidaway, "You don't have permission to access / on this server." do I have to do a chown wwwuser:wwwgrp to /var/www ? |
| 21:53.33 | |splat| | amd_goon: how do i drop back to the command line from the graphical login? |
| 21:53.41 | loopdee | !firewire |
| 21:53.41 | dpkg | well, firewire is Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
| 21:53.45 | streuner | xsquared: /msg dpkg filesystem |
| 21:53.50 | dimitri | blockd_: where does rssh look for user passwd ? I have problem connectin with it, does it look in /etc/passwd ? |
| 21:53.51 | Tony_Sidaway | sdakota, Hang on and I'll see if I can duplicate your problem |
| 21:53.53 | amd_goon | splat: cntl-alt-F1 |
| 21:53.55 | fbi | |splat|: as root: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 21:54.03 | sdakota | Tony_Sidaway, Thanks |
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| 21:54.07 | streuner | xsquared: /msg dpkg filesystems |
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| 21:54.38 | KerPlunk | How can I make a partition that is 30 gigs big...I don't want to make my FAT32 partition too big so it clusters...and a 1kb file becomes a meg file. |
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| 21:54.54 | KerPlunk | But with fdisk it wants me to specify blocks...and I'm not sure how big blocks are compared to gigs. |
| 21:55.02 | amd_goon | splat: what are you considering to be the normal login? |
| 21:55.04 | Tony_Sidaway | sdakota, when I su, it changes my path to contain /sbin (which is the location of start-stop-daemon on a Debian system) |
| 21:55.26 | |splat| | amd_goon: xdm |
| 21:55.30 | Tony_Sidaway | sdakota, and so when I execute /etc/init.d/apache (start or stop) it is able to find all necessary components. |
| 21:55.37 | sdakota | Tony_Sidaway, yea - apache starts when I don't use su but it does work when I use sudo as a normal user :/ |
| 21:56.12 | blockd_ | dimitri: sorry, no idea off-hand. If it's an issue, I'd hope it'd mention it somewhere in an install file... |
| 21:56.15 | zuka | how can i activate my e-mail evolution on a pop server, what mail server are good for that? |
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| 21:56.15 | sdakota | Tony_Sidaway, anyways - I'm getting the error that / is forbidden when I http to the server, so what do I chown /var/www to? |
| 21:56.27 | blockd_ | dimitri: normally the only person I have to worry about on the system is myself :-) |
| 21:56.46 | Tony_Sidaway | sdakota, something odd is happening with your su; it should set up your environment correctly (I'm unclear on the mechanism by which this is achieved) |
| 21:56.54 | valdyn | sdakota: www-data needs to be able to read it |
| 21:57.08 | Tony_Sidaway | sdakota, concur with valdyn |
| 21:57.11 | xsquared | streuner: what fs do you use? |
| 21:57.22 | sdakota | ok |
| 21:57.27 | streuner | xsquared: XFS |
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| 21:57.53 | sdakota | valdyn: same error |
| 21:57.55 | streuner | xsquared: for my desktop-system |
| 21:58.29 | Tony_Sidaway | sdakota, Basically I got use to doing a chgrp -R www-data on any www directory that I edit. (-R is recursive into subdirectories) |
| 21:58.33 | BullWeivelz | anyone know of a rescue disk that is on a cd-rom and is bootable ?? (dont say knoppix...for some reason its not working for what i need) |
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| 21:58.48 | valdyn | sdakota: you set up access resitructions for / of your webserver |
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| 21:58.49 | xsquared | streuner: ok |
| 21:58.54 | Tony_Sidaway | And ensure that the file creation mask allows group read/execute. |
| 21:58.59 | amd_goon | splat: yes removing gdm should do it |
| 21:59.11 | valdyn | sdakota: that wouldnt have anythign to do with permissions on /var/www/ |
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| 21:59.27 | sdakota | valdyn: euh... how to do that? in httpd.conf? |
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| 21:59.34 | cheal | BullWeivelz: an etch netinst? |
| 21:59.37 | selam | hi all |
| 21:59.46 | valdyn | sdakota: if you are using apache (1), guess so |
| 21:59.47 | sdakota | valdyn: I don't really mind about the http server - as long as I can access phpmyadmin |
| 21:59.52 | bizkit | BullWeivelz: for what? what are you going to rescue? what did you mess up? |
| 21:59.52 | sdakota | valdyn: yes |
| 21:59.53 | bureado | I have a hard drive on a PCMCIA card. Do you know what module should I probe for recognize this as a hard disk drive? |
| 22:00.34 | nix | how do i figure out in which pool/b/bla directory a package resides? i need to downgrade something and need to manually get the normal version instead of the security update one |
| 22:00.39 | BullWeivelz | bizkit: lost password for root...and dont have a floppy on the box. knoppix wont mount the damn drive |
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| 22:01.20 | blondie | BullWeivelz: then the drive must be borked (or you're a poor hacker) |
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| 22:01.30 | bizkit | BullWeivelz: why does knoppix not mount the drive? what's the error? |
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| 22:01.40 | Ronin | BullWeivelz: disk one of debian and apparently the netinstall does it also |
| 22:01.51 | smergler3 | hey.. when does the next version of debian come out? |
| 22:02.04 | valdyn | bizkit: #knoppix |
| 22:02.11 | valdyn | smergler3: wir |
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| 22:02.16 | valdyn | !wir |
| 22:02.16 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 22:02.32 | bizkit | BullWeivelz: valdyn: bizkit: #knoppix |
| 22:02.38 | Ronin | smergler3: somewhere between now and 2008 |
| 22:02.40 | bit0 | hello |
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| 22:03.07 | valdyn | ops |
| 22:03.15 | valdyn | !tell BullWeivelz -about knoppix |
| 22:03.20 | BullWeivelz | blondie: im a poor hacker ;) |
| 22:03.45 | valdyn | !lost root's password |
| 22:03.45 | BullWeivelz | valdyn: were not specificaly talking about knoppix...were talking about hacking a box to get back root. rtfm ;) |
| 22:03.49 | valdyn | !lost roots password |
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| 22:04.12 | BullWeivelz | valydn: an done method since i only have a cdrom is to us knoppix. |
| 22:04.16 | M_Cheevy | heya ppl |
| 22:04.22 | sdakota | gtg |
| 22:04.26 | sdakota | bye |
| 22:04.27 | bizkit | BullWeivelz: again what is your problem mounting your root? |
| 22:04.29 | valdyn | BullWeivelz: you dont need knoppix for that |
| 22:04.38 | Ronin | BullWeivelz: cant get disk one of debian or a netinstall cd? |
| 22:04.39 | valdyn | !listkeys lost |
| 22:04.41 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'lost' by key (7): lost+found ;; lost var ;; get lost ;; lostbox ;; lost lilo ;; sources.lost ;; colostomy. |
| 22:04.49 | valdyn | !listkeys root |
| 22:04.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'root' by key (15 of 84): bind9 chroot ;; chroot howto ;; chroot install ;; forgot mysql root password ;; groot ;; irc as root ;; kickban root_ ;; lathiatroot ;; postfix chroots ;; remote chroot install ;; root again ;; root login on serial tty0 ;; rootca ;; run stuff as root ;; tom's root boot. |
| 22:04.52 | bit0 | is eGroupware in sarge stable? |
| 22:04.59 | Ronin | why the heck is colostomy in that factoid? heh |
| 22:05.04 | valdyn | !forget root's password |
| 22:05.04 | dpkg | valdyn: i didn't have anything called 'root's password' to forget |
| 22:05.08 | valdyn | !forgot root's password |
| 22:05.17 | valdyn | dpkg: fuck |
| 22:05.17 | dpkg | from memory, fuck is a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 22:05.19 | smergler3 | Ronin: o.. so its not like other distros where it comes out every 6 months |
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| 22:05.22 | bizkit | valdyn: heh |
| 22:05.23 | bpuzon | Hi, what should I enter to /dev/google to get something about dividing bandwidth (for example, 256kbps max for the computer HostA, 512kbps max for FTP service and so on)? |
| 22:05.32 | Ronin | smergler3: no not even close to that |
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| 22:05.39 | tiCo89 | bit0: sarge is stable |
| 22:05.51 | valdyn | BullWeivelz: is your boot manager grub? |
| 22:05.56 | tiCo89 | sarge is the stable release, that means everything in sarge is stable |
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| 22:06.06 | tiCo89 | (otherwise it wouldn't be in sarge) |
| 22:06.24 | nix | how do i go about reporting a bug when a security package upgrade breaks another package's functionality, on (at least) sarge/stable? |
| 22:06.30 | BullWeivelz | bizkit: it bitches about not being in /etc/fstab... so im thinking that i would have to have it in fstab before boot. |
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| 22:06.32 | jla | bpuzon: maybe advanced routing howto? |
| 22:06.36 | bit0 | tiCo89, i've problems with egroupware-felamimail ... |
| 22:06.44 | Ronin | nix: bts i suspect |
| 22:06.45 | valdyn | BullWeivelz: is your boot manager grub? |
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| 22:06.51 | Roey | hi! |
| 22:06.54 | Roey | like, http://rafb.net/paste/results/ojWzlC81.html |
| 22:06.57 | BullWeivelz | nope..im using lilo |
| 22:06.58 | Roey | why do I get that? |
| 22:07.12 | amd_goon | BullWeivelz: What does knoppix say when you try to mount? |
| 22:07.18 | bit0 | tiCo89, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=13407419 |
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| 22:07.36 | bpuzon | jla: i thought advanced routing howto is about iptables only, i'll check it at once, thanx |
| 22:07.40 | valdyn | BullWeivelz: boot with 'linux root=/dev/whatever init=/bin/bash |
| 22:08.07 | bizkit | and set a new password.. |
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| 22:08.22 | snoopy | when booting on my desktop i keep getting "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6 etc then it says not loaded |
| 22:08.27 | BullWeivelz | vaaldyn" alright...let me try that... which is what i think you do on the root floppy disks...so i guess its the same using a knoppix disk |
| 22:08.31 | valdyn | !tell BullWeivelz -about i forgot root's password |
| 22:08.32 | snoopy | then it gives me |
| 22:08.36 | M_Cheevy | heya folks... having a little trouble with devices recognised and created in my initrd over to my real_root... any ideas? |
| 22:08.39 | valdyn | BullWeivelz: read what dpkg is telling you too |
| 22:08.59 | valdyn | BullWeivelz: use your harddisk to boot.. |
| 22:09.48 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: please elaborate what you did or what you are trying to do |
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| 22:10.11 | dimitri | what is stderr-trapping |
| 22:10.29 | smergler3 | hey.. how many cds is debian again? |
| 22:10.30 | xsquared | streuner: so xfs > ext3 and is readable under BSD? |
| 22:10.42 | Ronin | smergler3: one or 14 depending on what your do |
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| 22:10.45 | snoopy | i cannot start x werver (your graphical interface). it is likely that it is not set up correctly. would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem? thing is the comp freezes up at this point and doesnt even let you choose |
| 22:10.46 | M_Cheevy | during initrd, I run dmraid, this creates nodes in /dev/mapper. When Initrd finishes and it "pivots" to live, the /dev/mapper files are no longer there. yes, I'm running udev (have to if running gnome and 2.6 it seems) |
| 22:10.56 | xsquared | smergler3: or you can use the dvds |
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| 22:11.39 | |splat| | anyone know how i can get my laptop to power on my pcmcia wlan card? |
| 22:11.44 | smergler3 | xsquared: dont have a dvd burner.. and not paying for free stuff |
| 22:11.59 | Ronin | pay? who said anything about paying smergler3 |
| 22:12.01 | smergler3 | Ronin: i just want a simple desktop that i can ssh to... |
| 22:12.13 | smergler3 | i dont have a dvd burner... |
| 22:12.16 | Ronin | !tell smergler3 about d-i |
| 22:12.20 | rafx | on Debian 3.1 stable, i just want 3-4 packages from testing but some require libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1). are there risks to breaking sarge's stable packages by installing libc6 2.3.5? |
| 22:12.25 | M_Cheevy | that help valdyn? |
| 22:12.32 | xsquared | smergler3: who said you have to pay anything? |
| 22:12.36 | Ronin | assuming of course smergler3 you have a fast connection |
| 22:12.43 | Ronin | xsquared: thats what im wondering too |
| 22:12.45 | smergler3 | im on an edu |
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| 22:12.52 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: its enough info but im not familar with root on raid |
| 22:12.58 | xsquared | lol |
| 22:13.00 | valdyn | s/raid/software raid/ |
| 22:13.02 | Ronin | smergler3: in that case the d-i is likely for you |
| 22:13.07 | xsquared | your funny smergler3 |
| 22:13.23 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: I knew what you meant, you can also call it fakeraid without me jumping down your throat ;) |
| 22:13.41 | snoopy | anyone? |
| 22:13.48 | M_Cheevy | seems some are militantly opposed to that term |
| 22:13.55 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: nah its fine, its just for accurracy as raid wouldnt require special setup at all |
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| 22:14.06 | Ronin | snoopy: reconfigure x? |
| 22:14.09 | xsquared | snoopy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 22:14.10 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: that's why I'm happy to call it fakeraid |
| 22:14.29 | smergler3 | xsquared, Ronin: how many cds do i need just for a simple desktop that i can ssh to and play music on |
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| 22:14.40 | snoopy | what about the part when it is booting and says... |
| 22:14.41 | xsquared | smergler3: LOL! |
| 22:14.41 | elshaa | hi |
| 22:14.45 | snoopy | when booting on my desktop i keep getting "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6 etc then it says not loaded |
| 22:14.51 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: is there I a way i can tell udev not to touch the /dev/mapper/sil_* files when it remounts the /dev |
| 22:14.59 | smergler3 | xsquared: i assumed i would get something like that |
| 22:15.00 | M_Cheevy | snoopy: what kernel are you running? |
| 22:15.18 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: if things were ok udev would jsut create them |
| 22:15.25 | Roey | hi |
| 22:15.25 | xsquared | smergler3: you can either get all the 14 cds or get the netinstall cd and download the minimumal stuff you want |
| 22:15.27 | Roey | unrar-free sucks. |
| 22:15.35 | elshaa | what do I need to do if I want a colorized vim over ssh ? I've tried (in the vim session) "TERM=xterm-color vim file.c", but no color... |
| 22:15.40 | xsquared | Roey: i second that. |
| 22:15.42 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: those nodes are created by dmraid in user space (busybox in initrd) |
| 22:15.42 | weasel | rar sucks, so? |
| 22:15.46 | snowgeese | tied to istalll xine said i need paclkages what i doo? |
| 22:15.46 | smergler3 | xsquared: i started off on ubuntu.. and i would like to try something a lil harder |
| 22:15.59 | xsquared | smergler3: harder? |
| 22:15.59 | Roey | xsquared: really--and now even the 'unrar' commercial binary doesn't work for me. |
| 22:16.06 | snoopy | i am using the boot disks for net install (floopy--sarge) |
| 22:16.15 | xsquared | smergler3: LOL! you are a funny guy |
| 22:16.15 | Roey | xsquared: I may hgave to chroot into my ia32 environment to run it. |
| 22:16.16 | Roey | ah |
| 22:16.21 | snoopy | really dont know the which kernel |
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| 22:16.22 | jader | ? |
| 22:16.23 | bizkit | elshaa: did you enable a colorscheme? :) |
| 22:16.23 | xsquared | Roey: damn |
| 22:16.52 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: does this work if you remove udev? |
| 22:16.55 | M_Cheevy | snoopy: at the prompt when you boot from the floopy are you just hitting enter, or are you putting in expert26? |
| 22:16.57 | Roey | I don't get why the RAR folks couldn't make their stuff tar/gz compatible. |
| 22:17.06 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: if I try to remove udev it wants to remove gnome |
| 22:17.15 | smergler3 | xsquared: i came from windows a lil bit ago.. wanted to try linux.. my friend puts me on ubuntu .. and i like it .. but i wanna play around with other linux distros.. see whats gnome/ubuntu specific and whats generally linux |
| 22:17.22 | xsquared | rar isn't open. i don't like it |
| 22:17.27 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: it will remove a small amount of packages, its easy to install back |
| 22:17.31 | elshaa | bizkit: yes |
| 22:17.45 | snoopy | i am not just hitting enter but i dont see expert 26 |
| 22:17.47 | xsquared | smergler3: ubuntu is derived from debian |
| 22:17.52 | elshaa | bizkit: I'm using the same .vimrc that on my machine |
| 22:17.54 | smergler3 | i know.. |
| 22:18.01 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: doesn't gnome depend on udev? that's the message I seem to get from synaptic |
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| 22:18.04 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: im not so certain that udev is at fault, which is why you should just remove it and try |
| 22:18.17 | xsquared | smergler3: its up to you what you do. |
| 22:18.18 | Serialkiller | can you link resurvivly? |
| 22:18.24 | Serialkiller | recursivly |
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| 22:18.41 | smergler3 | xsquared: i realize this .. but i wanted you to know where i was coming from |
| 22:18.44 | M_Cheevy | Snoopy: at the boot prompt you should be able to use the F keys.. F1, F2 for help on choices at the boot, one should include an option to use the 2.6 kernel set |
| 22:18.45 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: gnome is a metapackage depending a alot of stuff. Only one of those things is gnome-volume-manager, so that is the only thing i believe that will really be removed |
| 22:18.50 | rafx | is anyone here using postfix-2.2.x on debian 3.1 using libc6 2.3.2? |
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| 22:18.58 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: the gnome package only contains dependencies, no 'software' |
| 22:19.41 | elshaa | bizkit: it's ok. I'm dumb, I just forgot the :syntax on :) |
| 22:19.44 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: ah.. maybe I should just bite the bullet and go ahead and do it... |
| 22:19.55 | snoopy | oj |
| 22:19.57 | snoopy | ok |
| 22:19.57 | xsquared | smergler3: why do you want it harder? if all you want to do is have ssh and moc ? |
| 22:20.03 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: very easy, and you'd know if udev is to blame or not.. |
| 22:20.15 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: it just took almost a week to get this far so I'm kinda reluctant to screw with what IS working |
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| 22:20.53 | smergler3 | well.. thats at first.. but i want to be able to get familiar with the various distros.. and i thought starting simple would be best |
| 22:21.24 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: is udev even started already when things break? |
| 22:21.27 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: the joys of playing on the bleeding edge of hardware |
| 22:21.51 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: not too sure, damn thing goes by pretty fast (2 x Athlon 2000+) |
| 22:21.57 | xsquared | xfs > ext3 and is readable under BSD? |
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| 22:22.26 | snowgeese | does any one u xine? |
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| 22:22.59 | amd_goon | My network card required irqpoll parameter to work. Anyone know how to troubleshoot this so that I don't need irqpoll? |
| 22:23.15 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: needless to say, udev is a new thing to me... not sure if anything is showing up in the dmesg |
| 22:23.40 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: not about udev |
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| 22:24.14 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: you're still able to boot your system? |
| 22:24.28 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: so, how would I know where udev is kicking in? isn't there a message about creating or mounting the tmpfs over /dev somewhere in the dmesg |
| 22:24.32 | shevek | I'm trying to boot a debian system from a memory stick on a diskless machine. I managed to get grub running, but I don't get initrd so far that it wants the stick as root. I tried a custom kernel without initrd, but that doesn't see the mass storage device either. Any idea how I should do this? |
| 22:24.43 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: yes, but none of the partitions are available so i can't even mount swap |
| 22:24.44 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: in your bootlog or on your screen |
| 22:24.47 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 22:24.47 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 22:25.23 | Serialkiller | so ahh. any way to link files recursivly? |
| 22:25.35 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: ah, I'd been checking messages and syslog... bootlogd is one I didn't know to check... problem with starting with this stuff early, they keep adding sh*t on me ;) |
| 22:25.37 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: how far does it get after pivoting? |
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| 22:25.48 | jader | kapil :do you work too hard? |
| 22:26.30 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: it gets me completely booted, the "/" partition is mounted, but there are no /dev/mapper nodes for it, nor for any of my other partitions.... kinda weird but it is working after a sort |
| 22:27.03 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: what does 'df' show? |
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| 22:27.32 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: give me a cpl of mins, I'll check (working from a winxp laptop at the mo) |
| 22:28.21 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: ok, and i believe i might need /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf too |
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| 22:28.57 | valdyn | Serialkiller: recursively? |
| 22:29.02 | valdyn | Serialkiller: what exactly do you mean? |
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| 22:30.30 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: nope, using dmraid as opposed to mdadm... md ain't exactly friendly with existing partitions |
| 22:30.42 | M_Cheevy | back in a bit |
| 22:30.54 | snoopy | thanks yall just reconfiguring xserver was all i needed thanks alot |
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| 22:31.29 | tam | when setting up ntop for the first time is there a way to tell it to listen on all eth interefaces including virtual? |
| 22:31.42 | flawd | apt-get says I have unsatisfied dependencies of a third party .deb. Only sollution is to remove the deb from the system. However, the program provided by the deb does work, so I would rather not remove it. Though, if I do not, I can not use apt-get since it complains about this. Can I somehow make apt-get ignore this deb package? |
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| 22:31.56 | M_Cheevy | back |
| 22:32.04 | Serialkiller | valdyn : like you have a directory that has files and sub directorys in it. Link them to another folder. I can do it manually, but hey, y not dot hem all at once right? |
| 22:32.14 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: looking at dmraid on what it precisely does.. |
| 22:32.23 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: much obliged... |
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| 22:32.38 | snowgeese | i change to amd now what? |
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| 22:33.29 | flawd | Can I make apt-get ignore an installed deb that has broken dependencies |
| 22:33.30 | M_Cheevy | what was that ! command for bootlogd? |
| 22:33.38 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 22:33.38 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 22:33.41 | flawd | so I can use apt-get despite having this deb installed? |
| 22:33.42 | M_Cheevy | thanks... |
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| 22:36.25 | M_Cheevy | brb |
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| 22:37.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:37.01 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:37.25 | valdyn | Serialkiller: man lndir |
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| 22:39.35 | M_Cheevy | back |
| 22:39.58 | Serialkiller | valdyn : No manual entry for lndir |
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| 22:40.24 | M_Cheevy | !bootlogd |
| 22:40.24 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 22:40.30 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: try running '/etc/init.d/dmraid start'. Udev claims that dmraid will create its own device nodes |
| 22:40.40 | Fujoor | hello folks, is there any command similiar to fdisk in linux, to partition the drives? |
| 22:40.42 | grendal_prime | whos good here with bash? im looking in #bash for help on this but..basically i need a script that will read a line out of a text file randomely and the fire it off to festival...can i do this with bash? |
| 22:41.29 | valdyn | !installit |
| 22:41.29 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 22:41.33 | valdyn | Serialkiller: ^^^ |
| 22:42.11 | valdyn | Serialkiller: its in xutils |
| 22:42.17 | bleaked | Fujoor. fdisk |
| 22:42.31 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: ERROR: opening "/dev/mapper/sil_afbhccbjfeah" |
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| 22:42.38 | NetGrunt | hi |
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| 22:43.07 | M_Cheevy | hmmm. guess /etc/default/bootlogd is case-sensitive |
| 22:43.34 | xsquared | should i use EXT3 or XFS in my next install? |
| 22:43.56 | NetGrunt | I have this file on a folder under my home dir, it's owned by me and on my group, it has modes -> -r-xr-xr-x |
| 22:44.01 | NetGrunt | rm -rf doesn't let me delete it |
| 22:44.03 | NetGrunt | why is that ? |
| 22:44.50 | bleaked | NetGrunt. are the perms good for the folder and teh file? also, is the file in use? |
| 22:44.58 | NetGrunt | it's not in use |
| 22:45.06 | NetGrunt | the perms are the same for the parent folder |
| 22:45.07 | weasel | NetGrunt: the permissions on the file don't matter. |
| 22:45.09 | bleaked | xsquared. ext3 |
| 22:45.18 | pack | can anyone recomend a vnc server/client to remote admin windows machines? |
| 22:45.19 | weasel | NetGrunt: what are the permissions on the directory, and who owns it. |
| 22:45.22 | M_Cheevy | be back in a bit.... |
| 22:45.35 | NetGrunt | dr-xr-xr-x 2 grunt grunt 4096 2005-05-14 01:43 . |
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| 22:45.42 | NetGrunt | this is the folder in which the files are |
| 22:45.48 | weasel | NetGrunt: so give yourselve write privileges to the directory |
| 22:45.51 | weasel | NetGrunt: chmod u+w . |
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| 22:46.02 | weasel | how did you manage to remove them anyway |
| 22:46.05 | bleaked | pack. if it's winxp, just use the built in remote desktop. check out rdesktop and grdesktop to access it from *nix |
| 22:46.16 | xsquared | bleaked: WHY? |
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| 22:46.34 | NetGrunt | weasel, I don't understand why I have to grant permission to myself ... if the file it's mine!!! Is it normal ? |
| 22:46.35 | xsquared | damn caps lock |
| 22:46.48 | bleaked | xsquared. why not? ext3 is reliable, and XFS is more for servers and whatnot..plus it can be a pain. |
| 22:46.52 | weasel | NetGrunt: go and ask google about permissions. |
| 22:47.14 | xsquared | bleaked: i hear ext3 is slow and large |
| 22:47.14 | weasel | NetGrunt: dr-xr-xr-x means nobody, not even the owner or the group have write privileges to it. |
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| 22:47.19 | bleaked | xsquared. if you dont want ext3, i would use reiser as your next choice. |
| 22:47.25 | weasel | *cough* |
| 22:47.37 | g3brown | With a 4 drive system is there a "common" place to mount the extra 3 drives? Like /mnt/sda or do people just mount them whereever like /usr/drive? |
| 22:47.42 | NetGrunt | weasel, but I can change the modes, so that's almost the same as having write permission, coz I can grant myself write permission |
| 22:47.53 | weasel | NetGrunt: yes. then do that and be happy. |
| 22:48.15 | bleaked | xsquared. what makes you want to go with xfs so bad? |
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| 22:48.35 | pack | bleaked: it's a win2k sp4 box. xtightvnc keeps botching up and freezing the display on the client end. |
| 22:48.40 | bardack | yop all |
| 22:49.12 | bardack | je cherche un programme qui serait une bonne alternative de dreamweaver MX , sous linux! une idée qqun? |
| 22:49.13 | pack | bleaked: xfs has an x in it so it has to be good (and extreme). |
| 22:49.21 | cheal | !tell bardack about fr |
| 22:49.25 | NetGrunt | weasel, the problem is that there are lots of subfolders with the same mode ... I change the parent folder to rw-rw-rw but the subfolders are still r-xr-xr-x |
| 22:49.33 | NetGrunt | so I cannot delete them |
| 22:49.35 | bardack | sorry |
| 22:49.45 | weasel | find -type d -print 0 | xargs -0 chmod -v u+w |
| 22:49.47 | bardack | I search a program like dreamweaver MX, for linux |
| 22:49.57 | bleaked | pack. i am almost positive that you can use rdesktop to talk to win2k.. it's just called terminal services in 2k and remote desktop in xp. |
| 22:50.21 | weasel | or, if you don't care about chmoding other types too, just chmod -R u+w . |
| 22:50.21 | NetGrunt | weasel, thanks. Sorry for asking again : Is this normal ? Is this the correct behaviour ? It's strange that you should do all of this to delete a file that BELONGS to you ... |
| 22:50.21 | pack | bardack, it's not perfect, but you should try nvu (nvu.com) |
| 22:50.25 | poop | Maybe it's just time for a new kernel. Alsa is such a pita. |
| 22:50.36 | bardack | okay tkyou |
| 22:50.38 | weasel | NetGrunt: somehow you removed write privileges, so yes, it's normal. |
| 22:50.48 | NetGrunt | weasel, I just copied them from a CD |
| 22:50.51 | weasel | NetGrunt: if you removed write privileges from your own file you usually have a reason. |
| 22:50.53 | NetGrunt | made under windows I guess |
| 22:50.58 | weasel | NetGrunt: well, then copy differently next time |
| 22:50.59 | NetGrunt | weasel, I understand |
| 22:51.00 | wel | this is my whole dmesg http://pastebin.com/458908 why is giving me this? |
| 22:51.02 | weasel | NetGrunt: i.e. with just -r and not with -a |
| 22:51.06 | NetGrunt | weasel, thanks again |
| 22:51.11 | bleaked | pack. reiser4 is suppose to be far more 'xtreme' than xfs. i don't know how stable it is right now though, but last i heard it was quite stable. |
| 22:51.27 | weasel | "xtreme". exactly what I want from a filesystem. |
| 22:51.30 | xsquared | bleaked: i have no idea |
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| 22:51.39 | xsquared | bleaked: it is also readable by bsd |
| 22:51.44 | wel | this is my whole dmesg http://pastebin.com/458908 why is giving me this? |
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| 22:52.28 | pack | weasel: i agree. xtreme is pretty awesome. |
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| 22:53.02 | nix | bahh. i hate random segfaults on boxes >4year old. always hardware. |
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| 22:54.12 | bleaked | xsquared. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 22:54.26 | smergler3 | xsquared: /win close |
| 22:54.30 | smergler3 | whoops |
| 22:54.33 | smergler3 | sry |
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| 22:55.45 | nelson_m | hello... question: anyone is having problems connecting to alioth.debian.net? |
| 22:55.58 | bleaked | xsquared. you may like this better, it supports your agenda: http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
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| 22:56.27 | g3brown | Nobody with multiple drives? |
| 22:57.04 | xsquared | bleaked: thanks |
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| 22:57.31 | NetGrunt | I like XFS on SGI machines |
| 22:57.32 | M_Cheevy | well, seems gnome is HUGELY tied to udev |
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| 22:57.38 | poop | g3brown: You could raid or lvm them and mount them in logical places, like /, /usr, /boot, /home, /var, /tmp |
| 22:57.40 | SimonRaven | pack: um, i think the sarcasm was lost in the medium |
| 22:57.45 | NetGrunt | dunno how is it on IA32 machines with 2.4-2.6 kernel |
| 22:58.08 | g3brown | poop: no raid, but I am asking what is the "logical" place. |
| 22:58.24 | nix | metgr: i run xfs on most all my boxes for a few years now. hardly any trouble ever. |
| 22:58.30 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: it seems that there is no way to remove udev without crippling gnome |
| 22:59.38 | NetGrunt | nix, I never had any single problem with any XFS filesystem. I can't say the same with ext2/3 ... |
| 22:59.41 | M_Cheevy | gnome-desktop-environment needs gnome-volume-manager needs hal needs udev |
| 23:00.22 | pack | i wonder if sun has a hal/udev deal. dont' they push hard on gnome too? |
| 23:00.28 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: just remove it, its nothing you can reinstall and its not much at all |
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| 23:00.35 | valdyn | s/can/cant/ |
| 23:00.38 | bleaked | M_Cheevy. why don't you want udev? it's where everything is moving to. |
| 23:00.45 | xsquared | bleaked: i still can't make up my mind lol! |
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| 23:01.06 | M_Cheevy | bleaked: we're trying to debug a device mapper issue... trying to see if udev is the problem |
| 23:01.17 | nix | NetGrunt: well on one occasion i had trouble with xfs on a corrupted raid5 (bad HW), but xfs_repair worked wonders |
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| 23:01.59 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: also changing the /etc/default/bootlogd did not create a /var/log/boot file |
| 23:02.11 | bleaked | idk guys, is xfs the ideal choice for desktop systems? |
| 23:02.23 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: bootlog might still be broken on etch/sid |
| 23:02.26 | bleaked | i was always told ext3 is your best bet. |
| 23:02.42 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: well, I'll try a no udev boot and see what I get |
| 23:02.43 | |splat| | so apparently my problem lies in my old computer having a Cardbus slot, versus a PCMCIA slot |
| 23:02.45 | NetGrunt | nix, I NEVER EVER had to do anything to an XFS filesystem (Under IRIX 6.5) ... it has been running 24/365 for years without any problem. Never had to manually run any mainteinance proggie like xfs_Repair or the likes. With ext3 I always have problems when there's a hangup or a cold-stop |
| 23:02.45 | M_Cheevy | bbiab |
| 23:03.05 | NetGrunt | I find myself always having to run e2fsck |
| 23:03.10 | NetGrunt | once a while |
| 23:03.12 | xsquared | wow |
| 23:03.16 | NetGrunt | disgusting |
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| 23:03.26 | xsquared | that is why i can't make up my mind |
| 23:03.32 | xsquared | i really don't want to lose my data |
| 23:03.43 | nix | only backup works for that. |
| 23:03.48 | xsquared | lol |
| 23:03.48 | nix | XFS dont save you from broken harddrives |
| 23:03.50 | NetGrunt | xsquared, remember i'm talking about IRIX 6.5 kernel, not linux 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 23:03.51 | jelly | What can a user do when the maintainer for a particular package is MIA? |
| 23:03.52 | valdyn | NetGrunt: that cant be because i386 hardware is cheap, can it? |
| 23:03.58 | xsquared | i am also thinking about raiding |
| 23:04.21 | NetGrunt | valdyn, most probably yes. Also I think the fact that XFS has been into IRIX's kernel for years helps too |
| 23:04.22 | xsquared | NetGrunt: what fs would you use under linux then? |
| 23:04.26 | jvw | jelly: offer help, mail mia@qa.d.o, prod the maintainer if you think it might help |
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| 23:04.33 | xsquared | i'd like it to be readable under bsd |
| 23:04.38 | abrotman | richard pryor is dead |
| 23:05.26 | NetGrunt | xsquared, I don't want to tell you anything ... coz I haven't checked the last FS supported by linux (XFS, JFS, etc...) |
| 23:05.40 | NetGrunt | they were experimental just a while ago |
| 23:05.49 | xsquared | abrotman: what do you think. which fs would/do you use? |
| 23:05.55 | NetGrunt | there's lots of people that look pleased with them |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 23:06.03 | xsquared | a desktop system |
| 23:06.08 | abrotman | if you have an UPS .. xfs is ok .. but otherwise .. use ext3 IMO |
| 23:06.16 | NetGrunt | abrotman, why ? |
| 23:06.22 | abrotman | why which ? |
| 23:06.24 | jelly | jvw: ok, thanks. |
| 23:06.26 | xsquared | plz explain |
| 23:06.33 | abrotman | explain which part ? |
| 23:06.48 | bleaked | xsquared. ah yes, that's why..xfs has a powerloss issue. |
| 23:06.52 | xsquared | why ext3 over xfs? |
| 23:06.54 | abrotman | so does reiserfs |
| 23:06.59 | xsquared | oh okay |
| 23:06.59 | elephantMan | hi all |
| 23:07.00 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 23:07.00 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 23:07.01 | elephantMan | DOes vmware can use an existing WinXp system that is dualbootable ? |
| 23:07.02 | nix | it all comes down to experience. some people feel Volvos are great cars cause they are safe, others swear by Mercedes or whatever. it's similar with filesystems. |
| 23:07.08 | nix | there's no best FS. |
| 23:07.13 | NetGrunt | nix, exactly |
| 23:07.19 | elephantMan | Or do i have to reinstall inside vmware ? |
| 23:07.21 | abrotman | xsquared: NetGrunt http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | that's why i said with an UPS .. |
| 23:07.37 | NetGrunt | bleaked, what ? what do you mean a powerloss issue with XFS ? |
| 23:07.37 | xsquared | abrotman: been there |
| 23:07.39 | g3brown | elephantMan: you trying to install vmware on xp or debian? |
| 23:07.43 | xsquared | hrmm |
| 23:07.54 | abrotman | i can say that i would avoid the heck out of reiser .. |
| 23:08.08 | abrotman | but i use ext3 in most places |
| 23:08.14 | xsquared | okay, because it is experimental? |
| 23:08.24 | abrotman | no .. because hans is crazy :) |
| 23:08.24 | xsquared | i hear ext3 is very slow and large |
| 23:08.29 | xsquared | lol |
| 23:08.30 | jelly | abrotman: yup, you have not had fun until you ran reisefsck for 72 hours on a production machine... ;-) |
| 23:08.59 | abrotman | xsquared: let me put it this way .. who cares how fast it is .. if your data goes *poof* |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | i want my data there .. that's the first priority |
| 23:09.14 | xsquared | abrotman: data > speed |
| 23:09.19 | xsquared | abrotman: for me |
| 23:09.29 | xsquared | yep |
| 23:09.41 | NetGrunt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.41 | NetGrunt | > (maybe a test mail server). When the FS is getting solid activity, yank |
| 23:09.42 | NetGrunt | > the power out. When I saw this happen I had to mkfs and start over. |
| 23:09.43 | abrotman | so even if ext3 ran 10x slower than reiser .. but was 5x more likely to retain my data without fail . i'd use ext3 |
| 23:09.47 | NetGrunt | this happened to me also with EXT3 |
| 23:09.53 | NetGrunt | loooots of times |
| 23:10.02 | nelson_m | elephantMan: the version of vmware I used (a while back) wouldn't do that... because it has its own virtual hardware machine, a pre-installed XP would just trip over everywhere. Won't swear by it, though. |
| 23:10.13 | xsquared | so you had problems with ext3 |
| 23:10.26 | elephantMan | g3brown, on debian |
| 23:10.30 | nelson_m | Sorry to ask again: can anyone connect to alioth.debian.net? I can reach *.debian.net, but not Alioth...? |
| 23:10.43 | valdyn | nelson_m: .org |
| 23:10.45 | bleaked | xsquared. honestly, you'll have less problems with ext3. if you're running a server or something, maybe do more research and consider other fs'. if you have special speed requirements, maybe consider raid, or making certain paritions (/usr with a backup?) reiser/jfs/xfs/whatever. |
| 23:10.51 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 23:10.51 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 23:10.57 | elephantMan | nelson_m, ok but i remembre it was possible...but not shure at all |
| 23:11.05 | abrotman | nelson_m: try .org ? |
| 23:11.09 | xsquared | bleaked: i think i will do that |
| 23:11.10 | nelson_m | doh... yes, I meant .org |
| 23:11.17 | abrotman | nelson_m: works fine here |
| 23:11.17 | nelson_m | I can't access it |
| 23:11.20 | xsquared | bleaked: i am thinking of having raid or something also |
| 23:11.27 | wolfdream | Everyone over in #samba is sleeping. Anyone have some time for an rsync question? |
| 23:11.38 | dondelelcaro | xsquared: the issue is that most of the problems with ext2/ext3 are known, and there are tools to recover from the type of damage that they receive |
| 23:11.41 | dondelelcaro | wolfdream: just ask. |
| 23:11.53 | wolfdream | when I use rsync from one samba mount to another, it's always sending every file... even when I use -u. However, when I use -c, it sends nothing because the source and destination are the same. I've checked the source and destination file times and sizes with the following incantation: ls -al /mnt/music > music.txt; ls -al /mnt/music2 > music2.txt; diff music.txt music2.txt. I know the file times and sizes are the same. Any hints? |
| 23:11.56 | zorton | can sarge be installed using the testing installer for etch?\ |
| 23:12.02 | elephantMan | Would be great if you had two choices : Install new sys inside vmware | Boot an existing sys from vmware |
| 23:12.03 | dondelelcaro | xsquared: unfortunatly, that's not necessarily true of other architectures. |
| 23:12.04 | xsquared | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:12.10 | valdyn | zorton: dont do it |
| 23:12.11 | dondelelcaro | s/arch/filesystems/ |
| 23:12.16 | nelson_m | mmmnnn... I was doubtful too, since Coral cache let me access it. I just get this: # traceroute alioth.debian.org |
| 23:12.16 | nelson_m | traceroute: unknown host alioth.debian.org |
| 23:12.26 | valdyn | zorton: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 if you need sarge with a newer kernel |
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| 23:12.43 | bleaked | xsquared. fs speed is sort of like audio compression, in the sense that you probably won't notice a difference, except in certain instances. |
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| 23:13.04 | xsquared | sounds good to me |
| 23:13.07 | xsquared | pardon the pun |
| 23:13.11 | xsquared | ;) |
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| 23:13.16 | jelly | wolfdream: rsync doesn't know that these filesystems are not local, therefore it uses the copy-it-over protocol, as for local files. try rsyncing two local directories, same thing happens. |
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| 23:13.30 | Knorrie | wolfdream: have you tried rsync -av /source/ /dest/ ? |
| 23:13.37 | NetGrunt | fuck ... I wanted to delete the last word of my phrase with ctrl+w like in bash |
| 23:13.44 | NetGrunt | so bye bye #debian channel |
| 23:13.51 | NetGrunt | :) |
| 23:13.56 | wolfdream | jelly: I thought it didn't matter whether the fs was local - it always did a diff, unless told otherwise |
| 23:14.08 | wolfdream | knorrie: yes... that was similar to the comman I ran |
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| 23:14.24 | wolfdream | knorrie: did you mean to put the trailing slash on the dest? |
| 23:14.28 | jelly | wolfdream: hmmm. I misinterpreted your question. Forget what I said. |
| 23:14.30 | abrotman | NetGrunt: i used to have my view port mapped to ctrl-alt-<arrow> .. that ended after i finally got fed up with ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 23:14.36 | NetGrunt | valdyn, have you seen this ? -> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 23:14.40 | wolfdream | jelly: ok. |
| 23:14.45 | valdyn | NetGrunt: yea |
| 23:15.05 | NetGrunt | valdyn, very interesting ... I didn't know |
| 23:15.11 | nix | of all FSes i had nightmares with only reiserfs. but that was in 2001-2002. |
| 23:15.14 | NetGrunt | that might explain what I said five minutes ago |
| 23:15.16 | wolfdream | jelly: any other suggestions? |
| 23:15.19 | valdyn | NetGrunt: it's silly |
| 23:15.26 | nelson_m | Sorry to be a pain, does anyone have any idea what I could do to debug my inability to reach alioth.debian.org? Would it be my ISP? |
| 23:15.26 | dondelelcaro | wolfdream: it's most likely because the timestamps aren't accurate enough on that filesystem for rsync |
| 23:15.29 | Knorrie | wolfdream: i never rsynced samba shares even though, is it impossible for you to rsync the actual machine where the share is? |
| 23:15.38 | NetGrunt | valdyn, do you think so ? |
| 23:15.42 | abrotman | nelson_m: try another dns server |
| 23:16.00 | dondelelcaro | wolfdream: -c is a good idea, but otherwise try a larger --modify-window |
| 23:16.01 | Knorrie | nelson_m: 192.25.206.28 |
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| 23:16.09 | wolfdream | dondelcaro: ic... so even though ls reports consistent filetimes, the actual may have drifted? |
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| 23:16.09 | valdyn | NetGrunt: yea, its a silly bug in reiserfsck |
| 23:16.23 | NetGrunt | valdyn, I'm talking about the SGI hardware thing |
| 23:16.24 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: yes, it was udev that was killing the /dev/mapper files |
| 23:16.24 | Oleg | hi i have a problem building pgadmin3 sources |
| 23:16.27 | NetGrunt | and the i386 crap |
| 23:16.29 | valdyn | NetGrunt: oh |
| 23:16.32 | wolfdream | dondelcaro: man'ing --modify-window now... |
| 23:16.42 | dondelelcaro | wolfdream: check what stat reports, and make sure the mtimes are exactly the same... sometimes samba have issues like that. |
| 23:16.47 | valdyn | NetGrunt: yea, i read that part too |
| 23:17.03 | Oleg | i make configure && make && make install, it works fine, but if i start the pgadmin3 binary i get the error : |
| 23:17.07 | Oleg | The library used 2.6 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx containers,compatible with 2.4), |
| 23:17.07 | Oleg | and your program used 2.6 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 102,wx containers,compatible with 2.4). |
| 23:17.10 | valdyn | NetGrunt: .. which is why any fs can break if a power outage hits at the wrong time, i guess |
| 23:17.15 | Oleg | can somebody help me? |
| 23:17.33 | NetGrunt | valdyn, the article says ext3 it's not affected by this but it's not true. I was affected by this |
| 23:17.35 | nelson_m | Knorrie: that works! great! What DNS server is that? |
| 23:17.45 | valdyn | NetGrunt: that part is jsut bullshit yea |
| 23:17.48 | Knorrie | nelson_m: just the local one here :) |
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| 23:18.19 | NetGrunt | valdyn, It's a thing I don't understand ... why a whole filesystem can get thrashed if the power cord is removed in warm |
| 23:18.37 | NetGrunt | neither the journal can save you |
| 23:18.57 | dondelelcaro | NetGrunt: because random data can get written out to a fileesystem while the disk spins down and the various components give up their last gasp |
| 23:19.01 | M_Cheevy | okay folks... during the bootstrap, I run an initrd that calls on dmraid. dmraid creates the /dev/mapper files necessary to access my software raid partitions created under winblows. Now when udev starts up it wipes these out. Is there a .conf file where I can tell it to leave these files alone? |
| 23:19.07 | nelson_m | mmnnn... maybe I should let my ISP know... |
| 23:19.09 | valdyn | NetGrunt: not the whole fs, but its 'whole' integrity. If you a random part of your fs changes and you dont know where that change happened, then you cannot trust your data anymore.. |
| 23:19.12 | dondelelcaro | NetGrunt: computers don't power off instantly. |
| 23:19.28 | NetGrunt | valdyn, yes that's what I meant |
| 23:19.35 | NetGrunt | most of the data is still there |
| 23:19.40 | NetGrunt | only that you don't know where it is |
| 23:19.56 | NetGrunt | dondelelcaro, can't this be prevented ? |
| 23:19.57 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: not unless there's a major problem withe PSU they don't |
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| 23:20.29 | NetGrunt | dondelelcaro, there must be a way, even if that slowsdown the I/O operations from disk |
| 23:20.31 | dondelelcaro | NetGrunt: not with commodity components, no... |
| 23:21.14 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: ? |
| 23:21.34 | jelly | wolfdream: nope. It's documented that it doesn't always do a diff though (at least implicitely in -c in the manual). |
| 23:21.36 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro, the only time a computer powers off instantly is when the PSU is on the fritz |
| 23:21.40 | NetGrunt | dondelelcaro, commodity components you mean desktop PC's or DELL/COMPAQ/IBM servers ? |
| 23:21.54 | M_Cheevy | !udev |
| 23:21.54 | dpkg | methinks udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 23:22.06 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: even then it still doesn't power off instantly. Capacitors store charge, and some things continue functioning for microseconds longer than everything else. |
| 23:22.11 | NetGrunt | dondelelcaro, coz DELL servers have the same hard drives than a desktop PC can have |
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| 23:22.35 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro, true I guess. keep forgetting them pesky microseconds ;) |
| 23:22.37 | abrotman | cause dell sucks |
| 23:22.47 | nix | hehe |
| 23:22.47 | ricochet | dondelelcaro, does stable have sendmail/sasl/AUTH/pam all working by default? |
| 23:22.52 | NetGrunt | abrotman, say DELL, say COMPAQ, say IBM ... |
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| 23:22.59 | nix | supermicro?:) |
| 23:23.03 | NetGrunt | it's regular MAXTOR drives for i.e |
| 23:23.05 | NetGrunt | or IBM drives |
| 23:23.10 | NetGrunt | or SEAGATE drives |
| 23:23.24 | NetGrunt | the ones you can buy in your local store and plug into your desktop PC |
| 23:24.08 | abrotman | NetGrunt: say CAPSLOCK |
| 23:24.43 | dondelelcaro | NetGrunt: it's pretty much an intrinsic problem; there were some suns that were doing some things about it, but even they can still have issues. |
| 23:24.53 | M_Cheevy | so, is there any .conf file I can use to keep udev from modifying /dev/mapper/sil_* files? |
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| 23:25.09 | NetGrunt | dondelelcaro, I never ever had a problem of this type with SGI machines |
| 23:25.11 | dondelelcaro | NetGrunt: the best bits are to have a filesystem that has checksums, and can back up changes to any particular moment in time... |
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| 23:25.14 | NetGrunt | so it must be the PSU |
| 23:25.16 | NetGrunt | or the motherboard |
| 23:25.17 | NetGrunt | dunno |
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| 23:25.26 | NetGrunt | dondelelcaro, like which ones ? |
| 23:25.31 | dondelelcaro | NetGrunt: but even there you can have issues...s |
| 23:25.31 | sphere | !tell me about doesn't work |
| 23:25.53 | NetGrunt | dondelelcaro, yes, nothing is 100% sure ... but SGI machines are solid as rock (and expensive as gold yes) |
| 23:26.01 | loopdee | this 2.6 kernel likes my system much better... a few more things and i think all my hardware will work... |
| 23:26.03 | quitte | M_Cheevy: no. either you dont use udev at all. or you setup udev to set permissions the way you want it. udev creates those files |
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| 23:26.41 | abrotman | NetGrunt: SGI barely makes anything anymore |
| 23:27.09 | NetGrunt | abrotman, they're a bit dead yes ... but they still have new products |
| 23:28.16 | abrotman | NetGrunt: but noone buys them |
| 23:28.16 | NetGrunt | abrotman, government and academic institutions buy a lot of them |
| 23:28.17 | NetGrunt | I can assure you |
| 23:28.17 | dondelelcaro | NetGrunt: not much anymore... |
| 23:28.17 | M_Cheevy | quitte: I thought I saw something in the .rules file? |
| 23:28.17 | NetGrunt | dondelelcaro, of course not as much as before ... but still .... |
| 23:28.30 | Knorrie | sphere: what's the point? :)) |
| 23:28.39 | abrotman | NetGrunt: not really .. noone buys the stuff |
| 23:28.50 | abrotman | NetGrunt: which machines do you think they buy? |
| 23:29.00 | NetGrunt | abrotman, how can you assure that ? I can give you examples |
| 23:29.17 | M_Cheevy | damn! getting rid of udev appears to have nuked synaptic |
| 23:29.17 | NetGrunt | there's lots of labs that buy ALTIX clusters |
| 23:29.34 | abrotman | NetGrunt: in the Top500 ? |
| 23:29.35 | sphere | Knorrie: moest de uitspraak ff pasten |
| 23:29.54 | sphere | Knorrie: wtf is fttd-s |
| 23:29.55 | Knorrie | sphere: k lol |
| 23:29.56 | nix | !dutch |
| 23:29.57 | dpkg | from memory, dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 23:30.08 | sphere | nix: caribng |
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| 23:30.16 | NetGrunt | abrotman, who cares about top500 ? I'm telling you there's still lots of places buying SGI machines, and I know it positively, believe me |
| 23:30.37 | Knorrie | Spec: that's when you're not a regular tudelft-student, but nonetheless got an account on the fiber |
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| 23:30.42 | abrotman | NetGrunt: if they're buying altix crap .. and they're not in the top500 .. they're apparently not buying that much .. which proves my point :) |
| 23:30.44 | Knorrie | Spec: sorry |
| 23:30.49 | war92 | Are there any FreeNX repositories for Debian Etch? |
| 23:30.52 | war92 | dpkg only has it for sid |
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| 23:31.00 | sphere | Knorrie: fibre? |
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| 23:31.07 | sphere | Knorrie: you're connected to campus net |
| 23:31.07 | sphere | ? |
| 23:31.13 | remedy | how would one --force an apt-get install? |
| 23:31.15 | NetGrunt | abrotman, ok, you were talking about BIG buys |
| 23:31.23 | NetGrunt | abrotman, then you're right |
| 23:31.23 | |XO2| | anyone here familiar with new motherboard technologies and cpus? |
| 23:31.29 | NetGrunt | anyway |
| 23:31.29 | Knorrie | sphere: yes, to my dormitory, well, that's what they call it |
| 23:31.32 | NetGrunt | take a look to top500 |
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| 23:31.35 | pablo4545 | hi, how do i list the packages available with apt-get |
| 23:31.37 | NetGrunt | number 4 is an altix cluster |
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| 23:31.42 | abrotman | NetGrunt: yes .. a very old one |
| 23:31.45 | nathraah | Anonymous login successful |
| 23:31.46 | nathraah | 8470: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 23:31.46 | nathraah | SMB connection failed |
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| 23:31.51 | nathraah | [sorry for the paste], any ideas for this? |
| 23:31.51 | NetGrunt | abrotman, still on the fourth position |
| 23:32.03 | NetGrunt | abrotman, and you still call it "crap" ? :) |
| 23:32.11 | fbi | !tell abrotman about abrotman |
| 23:32.11 | Knorrie | sphere: thrijswijk ;) |
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| 23:32.26 | abrotman | NetGrunt: yes .. obviously .. you have one old example of something noone buys anymore ? |
| 23:32.31 | sphere | Knorrie: flex |
| 23:32.33 | wolfdream | dondelcaro: the --modify-window=1 worked like a champ |
| 23:32.33 | abrotman | NetGrunt: i owned SGI hardware .. i sold it |
| 23:32.39 | nathraah | sorry, fixed |
| 23:32.39 | sphere | Knorrie: <-- TI TUD |
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| 23:32.55 | wolfdream | dodelcaro: thanks. |
| 23:33.09 | fbi | dodelcaro haha |
| 23:33.11 | war92 | anyoe here use freenx? |
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| 23:33.23 | wolfdream | upes |
| 23:33.25 | fbi | !anyone use freenx |
| 23:33.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses freenx, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:33.29 | wolfdream | s/dodelcaro/dondelcaro |
| 23:33.38 | fbi | wolfdream: try again. |
| 23:33.41 | fbi | three times a charm. |
| 23:33.43 | wolfdream | damnit |
| 23:33.50 | wolfdream | me is spelling impared. |
| 23:33.52 | Knorrie | sphere: yes ic |
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| 23:33.58 | dondelelcaro | wolfdream: heh. you may as well stop when you're behind. |
| 23:34.01 | abrotman | NetGrunt: http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/ .. that's what you have |
| 23:34.11 | wolfdream | dondelelcaro: thank you. |
| 23:34.18 | abrotman | NetGrunt: now i'm done ... enjoy |
| 23:34.19 | NetGrunt | abrotman, if you want to say "nobody buys SGI" because nobody on the top500 list hasn't bought SGI for some years ... ok. but then don't say "nobody buys" |
| 23:34.20 | wolfdream | !w00t |
| 23:34.20 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
| 23:34.32 | Knorrie | sphere: been there, done that, but switched to thr :P |
| 23:34.35 | NetGrunt | just doesn't make sense |
| 23:34.37 | wolfdream | damn... you would think you'd get the guys name that helped you.... |
| 23:34.40 | abrotman | NetGrunt: SGI is dying .. get over it |
| 23:34.47 | sphere | Knorrie: dd cat /dev/fridge | grep Grolsch |
| 23:34.51 | sphere | s/dd/ff |
| 23:35.08 | Knorrie | sphere: just been there, just did that :D |
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| 23:35.14 | sphere | \o/ |
| 23:35.16 | NetGrunt | abrotman, I know, I didn't say it wasn't dying. I just said there's still lots of places buying SGI hardware, that's it. Is this that hard to get ? |
| 23:35.23 | chino2 | my ssh connection dies out after so much time of inactivity... is that a debian bug or a ssh setup ? |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | NetGrunt: good .. go find some numbers .. how many did they sell |
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| 23:36.09 | phycho | hey there, how do i tell apache to add mod_perl? |
| 23:36.12 | phycho | is there some command to use? |
| 23:36.18 | phycho | to update the httpd.conf |
| 23:36.22 | phycho | this is apache1 btw |
| 23:36.27 | remedy | does testing use xorg?, assuming it does, someone confirm for me? |
| 23:36.30 | NetGrunt | abrotman, much less than some years ago ... still they sell. that's all i'm saying, from the beginning |
| 23:36.32 | abrotman | a2enmod ? |
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| 23:36.42 | markybob | remedy, read the topic |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | NetGrunt: sure ... they sold three computers this year .. woohoo! |
| 23:37.18 | NetGrunt | abrotman, on the university I work for they bought more than 20 |
| 23:37.28 | abrotman | wow .. a whole 20 |
| 23:37.33 | abrotman | 20 what? |
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| 23:37.43 | NetGrunt | PRISM |
| 23:37.59 | abrotman | sad |
| 23:38.01 | NetGrunt | abrotman, yes but it's just a small university ... there's factories and government agencies buying them |
| 23:38.10 | NetGrunt | abrotman, i'm not saying prism is good or bad |
| 23:38.17 | Fujoor | hey guys, how can i install a wlan card if i do a pure debian install, i need ndiswrapper right? is it included in the debian package? |
| 23:38.27 | abrotman | i'd rather have a tezro :) |
| 23:38.38 | NetGrunt | i'd rather have anything from SGI |
| 23:38.48 | quitte | Fujoor: depends on the card |
| 23:38.51 | abrotman | i did . i sold it .. it was fun to play with |
| 23:38.53 | NetGrunt | the only thing they have from their own is the motherboard |
| 23:39.05 | NetGrunt | ie in the PRISM |
| 23:39.08 | abrotman | but SGI won't help with drivers for the cards .. and there were none for that card |
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| 23:40.02 | Fujoor | its a d-link 610 |
| 23:40.18 | Fujoor | quitte: not that old though |
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| 23:40.29 | NetGrunt | abrotman, have you had a PRISM ? they're the biggest ripoff of the year |
| 23:40.30 | abrotman | where's gravity! |
| 23:40.51 | abrotman | NetGrunt: wow . .good thing your Uni bought 20 of them .. of course .. most people knew a long time ago Itanium was a ripoff |
| 23:41.09 | LinuxKeitaro | hey there, I'm trying to asign some media keys via a .Xmodmap file. How do I find out what are valid keysym names? |
| 23:41.12 | NetGrunt | abrotman, do you think I decide on which machines buy the university where I study ? |
| 23:41.20 | NetGrunt | please be serious |
| 23:41.22 | abrotman | you shold! |
| 23:41.26 | NetGrunt | yeah, sure |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | wtf is gravity~! |
| 23:41.40 | quitte | Fujoor: rtl 8180l it seems. you can get a driver from realtek's site |
| 23:41.47 | odla | tarzeau: bubbros? |
| 23:42.06 | tarzeau | odla: i'm so dead tired, i've just sent the last mail for today, and i'm going to fall off into bed |
| 23:42.11 | nix | !seen gravity |
| 23:42.12 | dpkg | gravity <~david@dhcp-130-64-45-222.boston.tufts.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 1d 45m 30s ago, saying: 'Can you even get avocados there?'. |
| 23:42.18 | odla | tarzeau: ok |
| 23:42.40 | Fujoor | quitte: its a wlan card, that matters right? and how am i suppose to install it? copy it on a disk and then install it? |
| 23:42.43 | tarzeau | odla: but maybe i can get on someones nerves before bed here ;) |
| 23:43.11 | poop | Distribution kernels are Really Big |
| 23:43.12 | quitte | Fujoor: i did the googleing for you. figure it out yourself. google helps |
| 23:43.27 | poop | I wonder if I can upgrade this cpu cheaply. |
| 23:43.37 | Fujoor | quitte: isnt this what these channelse are for? |
| 23:43.37 | ricochet | nix: i did have another sendmail/sasl installation i forgot about. I did it because woody didnt have the right stuff to do it iirc, does it now? (have the right stuff to do AUTH/TLS) |
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| 23:44.05 | Fujoor | quitte: if ii had found my answer on google i wouldnt have bothered coming here |
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| 23:44.13 | quitte | Fujoor: no it#s for helping you - not doing your work. if you payd money it#d be something else |
| 23:44.15 | abrotman | NetGrunt: TBH .. one of the things that irks me most about SGI .. you can't price out anything on thier website :) |
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| 23:44.28 | LinuxKeitaro | d |
| 23:44.28 | nix | ricochet: yep, sarge fully supports it. i did the same but i backported sarge stuff to woody. never install custom compiled stuff in /usr/! *ALWAYS* use /usr/local/! |
| 23:44.32 | quitte | Fujoor: how long did it take me to find it? |
| 23:44.35 | Fujoor | quitte: so dont bother, i dont even think you understood my question |
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| 23:44.53 | ricochet | nix, just learned something new. |
| 23:44.54 | nix | ricochet: read the Debian reference Manual, the section about apt-get build-dep and apt-get -b source. |
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| 23:45.26 | Fujoor | the thing is, there is no linux support for my wlan card, i need to install it with ndiswrappper, i have no clue how to install ndiswrapper without internet |
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| 23:45.53 | quitte | Fujoor: there is linux support and i told you where to find it and how. |
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| 23:46.28 | abrotman | Fujoor: which chipset ? |
| 23:46.38 | quitte | abrotman: rtl8180l |
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| 23:46.53 | abrotman | i thought there were drivers .. oh well |
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| 23:47.01 | quitte | there are |
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| 23:47.24 | Fujoor | quitte: ok, my bad, ill go search for it |
| 23:47.39 | ricochet | nix, would qmail be easier to setup? |
| 23:47.58 | Fujoor | quitte: i only found for 650+ |
| 23:48.03 | Fujoor | rtl8180l |
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| 23:48.37 | quitte | Fujoor: try them. accordsing to my google research 650 has exactly that chipset |
| 23:48.47 | Fujoor | well thanks quitte, ill go search more |
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| 23:49.33 | quitte | Fujoor: 610,even |
| 23:49.33 | mtgh | Hi all, when I run a dpkg --remove --force-all gforge-shell-ldap .....it comes back and says "subprocess pre-removeal script retuned error exit status 5 \n Errors were encountered while processing" and it does not remove it, How do I force it |
| 23:49.41 | SJr|Tecra | The other day I noticed that dpkg-reconfigure was gone from my system. I copied it from another debian box |
| 23:49.46 | SJr|Tecra | But I'm wondering what package its in |
| 23:49.48 | SJr|Tecra | and how I can reinstall it. |
| 23:49.59 | valdyn | !tell SJr|Tecra -about search |
| 23:50.49 | SJr|Tecra | That doesn't help |
| 23:51.09 | SJr|Tecra | Okay lets say for a second that its the dpkg package |
| 23:51.15 | SJr|Tecra | how can I reinstall it. |
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| 23:51.33 | quitte | SJr|Tecra: apt-get install --reinstall dpkg |
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| 23:52.16 | quitte | SJr|Tecra: but it doesnt just get lost. your really should find out how you lost it |
| 23:52.29 | SJr|Tecra | I don't know of any easy way |
| 23:52.36 | SJr|Tecra | to actually check why its not there anymore |
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| 23:53.00 | quitte | SJr|Tecra: recall what you did or reinstall and dont give away root account |
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| 23:53.44 | bucky | SJr|Tecra, dpkg-reconfigure is in debconf |
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| 23:53.51 | anibal | SJr|Tecra: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=dpkg-reconfigure&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 23:53.52 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 23:54.08 | bucky | SJr|Tecra, ls -l /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:54.13 | RoundQube | i've just installed apache, phpwiki...its on a localhost, how do i access the wiki? i can't find anything in the documentation for the path |
| 23:54.34 | SJr|Tecra | bucky yeah I got it back |
| 23:54.47 | RoundQube | path for the phpwiki /usr/share/phpwiki/pgsrc, but im not sure to access it |
| 23:54.52 | bucky | RoundQube, http://localhost/phpwiki/ ? |
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| 23:55.08 | anibal | bucky: it is also in cdebconf |
| 23:55.29 | bucky | anibal, it's also in policycoreutils |
| 23:55.33 | RoundQube | bucky i get page cannot be displayed, does it matter that phpwiki isn't in /var/www ? |
| 23:55.37 | RoundQube | its in /usr/share/phpwiki |
| 23:55.57 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmmm |
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| 23:56.03 | SJr|Tecra | I really wish |
| 23:56.07 | SJr|Tecra | I had a good PCI Video Card. |
| 23:56.23 | RoundQube | i've copied /usr/share/phpwiki to /var/www to test also and http://10.1.0.59/phpwiki doesn't show |
| 23:57.08 | bucky | RoundQube, you'll have to add a directory or location directive to apache's conf somewhere... should be in your install doc for phpwiki |
| 23:57.28 | SimonRaven | RoundQube: where's its apache conf say it's located? |
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| 23:57.55 | smallfoot | if anyone know what nullrouting is, please edit wikipedia article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullroute |
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| 23:58.51 | RoundQube | SimonRaven the conf in the /etc/apache or /usr/share/phpwiki/apache.conf? |
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| 23:59.04 | SimonRaven | smallfoot: wikipedia has facilities to tell others about that sort of thing |
| 23:59.11 | SimonRaven | RoundQube: latter |
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