| 00:00.06 | mathias64 | Araf: by ``boot'' I mean: be able to be booted. You might have to remove the broken partitions from /etc/fstab, reboot, then manually remount the broken partitions |
| 00:00.34 | robin_sz | or even need to use the dreaded rescue disk |
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| 00:01.13 | edrin | my soundcard makes no bass, even if i turn on bass to maximum at my speakers. it is a cmipci, any idea why this is!? |
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| 00:01.32 | Guerin | edrin: do you have a bass control in the mixer? |
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| 00:01.50 | edrin | Guerin: no |
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| 00:01.58 | tarzeau | edrin: what mixer is that? |
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| 00:02.01 | edrin | alsa |
| 00:02.10 | edrin | even alsamixer shows no bass control |
| 00:02.11 | tarzeau | edrin: no mixer software |
| 00:02.13 | jcurry | does anyone know of a time-tracking app that lets me create clients, who have projects, who have tasks, for which i can track time? a flexible reporting/export system would also be nice. i've searched freshmeat and the debian archive, and none of the result seem to do what i want |
| 00:02.15 | edrin | sound sounds strange ;) |
| 00:02.17 | tarzeau | edrin: maybe your card has none? |
| 00:02.31 | edrin | tarzeau: my card is working fine on windows |
| 00:02.32 | tarzeau | edrin: some cards don't have it. aumix has it in, so does VolumeControl.app |
| 00:02.47 | edrin | anyway |
| 00:02.48 | tarzeau | i really thought alsamixer has it too, but then i'm not sure |
| 00:02.53 | edrin | there is *no*sound |
| 00:02.56 | edrin | err |
| 00:02.57 | edrin | bass |
| 00:03.04 | edrin | it seems that the bass is gone |
| 00:03.07 | TheBlueWizard | jcurry: are you talking about something similar to M$ Project? |
| 00:03.21 | T3hWiz0rd | well there is wizard competition now.. :-P hello everyone |
| 00:03.27 | mathias64 | jcurry: I found GnoTime in aptitude without really looking |
| 00:03.28 | stumbles | Hi, i used to have a "Debian" menu in my Gnome menu. Is there a way i can re-enable this? I have Testing. |
| 00:03.35 | robin_sz | jcurry: try GtimeTracker |
| 00:03.46 | jcurry | TheBlueWizard, I'm not familiar with the app...i build website for people, and i need to track time i spend... |
| 00:03.52 | TheBlueWizard | T3hWiz0rd: no need to compete...just relax and palaver :) |
| 00:04.01 | T3hWiz0rd | TheBlueWizard: :-) |
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| 00:04.18 | jcurry | mathias64, so did i, but it doesn't allow me to split up project by client, which i need |
| 00:04.30 | jcurry | robin_sz, will try...is it available in debian? |
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| 00:04.58 | robin_sz | jcurry: no idea. it is the gnome time tracking tool ... |
| 00:05.03 | TheBlueWizard | jcurry: ah...hmm...I thought I saw one somewhere, but I dunno of such Free software |
| 00:05.56 | jcurry | robin_sz, ok, thanks! |
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| 00:06.48 | T3hWiz0rd | trox? |
| 00:06.48 | xaltar | argh |
| 00:06.52 | T3hWiz0rd | ah... |
| 00:06.59 | T3hWiz0rd | stalking me, what a jerk :-P |
| 00:07.01 | robin_sz | ah? |
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| 00:09.47 | nekrataal | robin_sz, Very funny |
| 00:10.27 | robin_sz | nekrataal: glad to be of service |
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| 00:15.08 | T3hWiz0rd | :-D |
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| 00:16.12 | giupy | hi all |
| 00:16.35 | giupy | anyone with picturebook vaio c1ve ? |
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| 00:17.24 | PerfDave | giupy: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 00:18.17 | giupy | PerfDave: no :) i would like to know an hardware thing |
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| 00:18.41 | PerfDave | giupy: #hardware |
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| 00:19.56 | giupy | PerfDave: ok thanks |
| 00:20.27 | bucky | giupy, http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/c1/ |
| 00:20.53 | giupy | ehm... |
| 00:20.57 | bucky | http://n.ethz.ch/student/matthaik/vaio/c1ve.html |
| 00:21.04 | bucky | giupy, that too ^^ |
| 00:21.08 | giupy | bucky: i know them thanks |
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| 00:22.50 | herman | oooooooooooooh |
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| 00:26.47 | BramStokersBTerr | !seen abrotman |
| 00:26.47 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 1h 34m 10s |
| 00:26.52 | litage | besides cryptoloop and loopaes, are there any other recommended methods for encrypting your HD? |
| 00:27.56 | SJr|Tecra | How do I disable CTRL+ALT+DEL |
| 00:28.12 | bbrazil | SJr|Tecra: /etc/inittab |
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| 00:30.08 | steal | hi all |
| 00:30.14 | steal | can u help me??? |
| 00:30.51 | steal | i nedd to install build-essential package on sarge |
| 00:31.01 | BramStokersBTerr | me 2 |
| 00:31.07 | Guerin | steal: nobody is stopping you |
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| 00:31.41 | steal | Guerin, apt can't resolve dependencies |
| 00:31.48 | Guerin | steal: what did you break? |
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| 00:32.12 | jan_ | try apt-get install -f |
| 00:32.23 | steal | Guerin, g++ (>= 3:3.3) |
| 00:32.34 | steal | Guerin, libc6-dev |
| 00:32.35 | janne_g | hi, where i can put my new ip address.. (some file @ /etc?) |
| 00:33.03 | Guerin | janne_g: man interfaces |
| 00:33.09 | steal | Guerin, i can't install these dependencies |
| 00:33.20 | jan_ | janne_g: try /etc/networking/interfaces :P and ofcourse the man page! |
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| 00:33.23 | Guerin | steal: then you're not running sarge |
| 00:33.42 | steal | Guerin, yes i'm running sarge |
| 00:34.03 | Tomze | i cant find a kernel compile howto where grub is the bootloader... any cool links anyone ? |
| 00:34.06 | Guerin | steal: if you were running sarge, you'd have g++ and libc6-dev available |
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| 00:34.30 | steal | Guerin, how can i know what i'm running now? |
| 00:34.31 | Guerin | Tomze: no howto required. Just use make-kpkg to build the kernelm, install it, and it'll Just Work |
| 00:34.32 | PerfDave | Tomze: /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:34.38 | jan_ | Tomze: just place your kernel image in /boot/ named vmlinuz-XXXX and run grub-update |
| 00:34.51 | jan_ | Tomze: the most recent kernel will be auto booted |
| 00:34.57 | PerfDave | Tomze: Though really under Debian there's rarely any need or purpose to compiling your own kernel. |
| 00:35.08 | mathias64 | steal: i keep hearing about how they are switching to a new g++ -- is that true? |
| 00:35.14 | jan_ | indeed PerfDave |
| 00:35.17 | Guerin | steal: post the output of the following commands to paster: cat /etc/debian_version; dpkg -l libc6; apt-cache policy; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; |
| 00:35.21 | Guerin | !paster steal |
| 00:35.21 | mathias64 | (maybe someone else knows) |
| 00:35.21 | dpkg | steal: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 00:35.36 | janne_g | oKtosiTe, and how i can restart eth? |
| 00:35.42 | Guerin | mathias64: no, sarge is NOT switching to the new g++ |
| 00:35.52 | janne_g | oKtosiTe, and how i can restart eth? |
| 00:35.55 | janne_g | shit |
| 00:35.56 | janne_g | .. |
| 00:35.57 | mathias64 | Guerin: i mean in etch, of course sarge is finalized |
| 00:36.03 | Tomze | PerfDave, in a way in agree... but i feel like compileing :) |
| 00:36.04 | jan_ | janne_g: /etc/init.d/networking restart of if{up/down} ethX |
| 00:36.08 | steal | Guerin, 3.1 |
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| 00:36.14 | Guerin | steal: this is irrelevant to steal, who claims to be running sarge |
| 00:36.15 | Tomze | thanks folks ! |
| 00:36.17 | PerfDave | Tomze: *shrug* It's your life to waste, I guess :) |
| 00:36.29 | Guerin | steal: put the output of ALL of those commands on a paster |
| 00:36.32 | mathias64 | Guerin: I didn't say sarge was switching -- the OP apparantly ISN'T running sarge |
| 00:36.33 | Tomze | PerfDave, i guess so :) |
| 00:36.49 | DutchFish | what client software for developing stored procedures in Sybase on a KDE Desktop? (i have installed ODBC drivers for it) |
| 00:37.10 | Guerin | DutchFish: what would KDE have to do with anything? |
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| 00:37.24 | PerfDave | DutchFish: You're probably better off asking a Sybase-specific channel, it's not exactly commonly used. |
| 00:37.40 | DutchFish | Guerin, for this project i prefer KDE on my debian box |
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| 00:37.56 | Guerin | DutchFish: still irrelevant. You can use any X app in KDE |
| 00:38.05 | DutchFish | Guerin, yes |
| 00:38.22 | steal | Guerin, my paste is 1268 |
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| 00:39.07 | DutchFish | Guerin, maybe you can give me hint on a general client for developing stored precedures, i am almost clueless |
| 00:39.11 | Guerin | steal: what part of ALL is unclear? |
| 00:39.21 | Guerin | steal: post the output of the following commands to paster: cat /etc/debian_version; dpkg -l libc6; apt-cache policy; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; |
| 00:39.25 | Guerin | steal: put the output of ALL of those commands on a paster |
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| 00:39.30 | Guerin | ALL |
| 00:39.36 | Guerin | not just the first one |
| 00:39.42 | Guerin | am I making sense? |
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| 00:39.45 | PerfDave | DutchFish: I develop stored procedures in vi :) |
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| 00:40.00 | Guerin | DutchFish: i'm totally clueless, so you win. |
| 00:40.14 | foo | When I shut the lid of my dell latitude c610 .. and open it back up, what do I do to wake it up? ctrl+alt+f# seems to be working .. but I just guess and press numbers. |
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| 00:41.00 | DutchFish | thx everyone |
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| 00:41.39 | PerfDave | foo: I've noticed that Latitudes tend to have a bit of a problem with X in that regard - they're actually awake, but the display is blank. You can switch to a text tty and back to your X terminal (probably tty7) and that seems to be a good workaround. |
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| 00:43.23 | foo | PerfDave: That's what I've been doing. Any other way to do this? It takes a few seconds to switch from text to X .. how fast should it wake up? |
| 00:43.42 | PerfDave | foo: It's already awake. |
| 00:43.57 | foo | PerfDave: oh, right. So do I not save any battery power if I shut my lid? |
| 00:44.00 | PerfDave | foo: It's just a bug with the latitudes and X, as far as I can see, and I've not found a better workaround. |
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| 00:44.08 | PerfDave | foo: Only if you configure your laptop to do so :) |
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| 00:44.15 | NiZo | Hi, I'm trying to integrate "fedora core (2.4.22-1.2115 npt1)" on a network wich "smoothwall" is my server and is configured to be a transparent proxy/firewall/IDS, all station on the network win9x/2000/XP are well connected to the internet, but with fedora I can ping any IP or hote (like: www.google.com) and I can do a tracert, but I can't use the browser or any other application using internet. can someone help me please |
| 00:44.22 | foo | PerfDave: hm, like in the BIOS? I haven't really checked. |
| 00:44.27 | PerfDave | foo: No, with ACPI |
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| 00:44.50 | PerfDave | foo: I use klaptopdaemon to configure it all, and you'll probably need to manually modprobe modules like "button" |
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| 00:45.02 | PerfDave | NiZo: OK, so what problem are you having with Debian? |
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| 00:45.25 | foo | PerfDave: I use fluxbox. Let me install that and see what I can do. |
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| 00:45.47 | DutchFish | Nizo, did you setup your dns-ing correctly in the dhcp section of smoothwall? |
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| 00:46.09 | PerfDave | foo: Fair enough, I don't know how you'd configure it under Fluxbox - klaptopdaemon adds a panel to the KDE Control Centre |
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| 00:46.22 | steal | Guerin, ok my new paste is 1269 |
| 00:46.37 | NiZo | PerfDave: I have no problem but this problem was done with fedora/suse/ and mandrake |
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| 00:46.50 | NiZo | DutchFish: DNS-ing ?? |
| 00:46.55 | PerfDave | NiZo: Then it's offtopic for #debian, try #networking |
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| 00:47.46 | vassagus | how can y set the hyper threading compatibility?? |
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| 00:48.03 | fony_vaio | where can i find a list of modules included in the netinst iso's? I'm specifically looking for wifi support (madwifi ath_pci module). |
| 00:48.08 | giupy | vassagus: smp kernel |
| 00:48.28 | caphuso | fony_vaio: not there. can't be distributed by debian |
| 00:48.34 | vassagus | thats what i thought but i installed and it doesnt start |
| 00:48.53 | vassagus | kernel-image-smp-686 |
| 00:48.58 | Guerin | steal: paste output of LANG=C apt-get install build-essential; and LANG=C apt-get -f install; |
| 00:49.01 | fony_vaio | caphuso: ah, are there unofficial iso's floating around, can i make them? |
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| 00:49.09 | giupy | vassagus: wich is the problem ? |
| 00:49.16 | foo | PerfDave: oh, ok. hmm |
| 00:49.31 | caphuso | fony_vaio: don't know. yes, read the debian-installer docs |
| 00:49.43 | vassagus | i restart the computer and i chose the smp kernel from lilo, then it crash |
| 00:49.51 | Raag | could someone explain to me how the pcspkr module manages to get loaded on boot even though no mention of it is made in /etc/modules ? (and I've disabled automatic module loading in my kernel config) |
| 00:49.55 | ke6isf | vassagus: Don't do that then. |
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| 00:50.04 | caphuso | Raag: probably hotplug |
| 00:50.10 | NiZo | PerfDave: I presume that if I'll try debian it will be the some problem, and #debian is now the biggest channel in this network server so maybe any one can help |
| 00:50.23 | ke6isf | vassagus: Are you running more than one processor? |
| 00:50.32 | vassagus | no just one |
| 00:50.37 | vassagus | with hyper threading |
| 00:50.44 | vassagus | intel p4 |
| 00:50.47 | vassagus | 2.8 |
| 00:50.50 | Raag | caphuso: ah yes it seems to have been installed by default |
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| 00:51.06 | steal | Guerin, 1270 |
| 00:51.08 | ke6isf | vassagus: smp assumes multiple processors. I'd venture to guess the cause of the crash is that you are running single processor. |
| 00:51.19 | giupy | vassagus: dunno, i have used kernel smp on this machine pentium4 ht with no problem ..... |
| 00:51.20 | Raag | caphuso: this might explain the horribly slow startup times, too |
| 00:51.25 | zcot | hi.. is there a gui based partitioning tool? |
| 00:51.26 | le_mackeux | Hi guys, i have a very wierd problem when installing sarge. Someone interested into helping me installing the wierdest way debian on a P1 133mhz |
| 00:51.30 | PerfDave | zcot: qtparted |
| 00:51.40 | vassagus | yes it suppose to work with ht |
| 00:51.42 | giupy | ke6isf: no, smp is for pentium HT too |
| 00:51.56 | vassagus | ok i'll restart and take notes, |
| 00:51.57 | jelly | If hotplug and udev fought, who would win? |
| 00:52.00 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: what is the problem? |
| 00:52.05 | resiak | NiZo: It's not a Debian question. Ask #linux |
| 00:52.06 | PerfDave | NiZo: If you're running Debian, I'll ask you for the output of your /etc/network/interfaces, and diagnose your problem with apt-get. Asking your question on a channel which isn't related to the distro you're using is pointless, regardless off its size. |
| 00:52.17 | Raag | jelly: godzilla :) |
| 00:52.21 | le_mackeux | matiah: cds aresn't booting to install, floppys neither |
| 00:52.22 | jelly | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hotplug&word2=udev |
| 00:52.42 | ke6isf | giupy: Ah, I didn't know that. But does that qualify vassagus' problem? |
| 00:52.59 | giupy | ke6isf: dunno, we need more info |
| 00:53.00 | le_mackeux | mathias: my bios is 2 old to boot cd. The SBM floppy from the install cd can't help me booting onto a floppy |
| 00:53.01 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: you mean that the BIOS says ``no boot device found'' or something like that? |
| 00:53.23 | ke6isf | le_mackeux: Need more information. What seems to be the problem? |
| 00:53.34 | ke6isf | le_mackeux: Never mind, slow on the uptake. |
| 00:53.40 | zcot | PerfDave: how can i get that? searching in aptitude doesn't offer it |
| 00:53.54 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: can you say more about what happens when you try to boot from the floppy? |
| 00:53.57 | le_mackeux | mathias: when booting from floppy, the boot.img loads fine, but it always say that the root.img isn't the wight media |
| 00:54.12 | foo | `ls' at 0 [Delaying before reconnect: 25] |
| 00:54.15 | foo | What causes that? Bleh |
| 00:54.23 | le_mackeux | mathias: i tried with sarge's floppy and woody's |
| 00:54.39 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: sp you have a ``boot'' floppy and a ``root'' floppy? |
| 00:55.09 | le_mackeux | mathias: sp ? |
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| 00:55.16 | mathias64 | sp = so |
| 00:55.20 | le_mackeux | yes |
| 00:55.48 | le_mackeux | mathias: the boot one loads fine. when it ask for the root one, it never finds the right software on the disk |
| 00:56.10 | Coweater | is there any tool to add an index(sidepane type) to a pdf file? |
| 00:56.43 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: i want to double-check everything. so you boot fro mteh boot floppy. It tells you to insert the root floppy and hit enter. You do that, then it fails |
| 00:57.09 | PerfDave | zcot: Hmm, it appears not to be in Sarge, I have no idea why - I've only ever used it from a Knoppix CD. If you're dicking with your hard drive, it's probably a good idea to boot from a CD (and use noswap) to avoid touching your HDD while playing with it anyway. |
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| 00:57.33 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: is that right? |
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| 00:58.48 | steal | Guerin, can u help me??? my system is corrupt??? |
| 00:58.49 | jelly | foo: that's lftp's way of telling it can't log in to the server. |
| 00:58.57 | le_mackeux | mathias: right, it fails |
| 00:59.10 | zcot | PerfDave: ahh, ok, that's a good idea.. yea I've seen it on knoppix too and suse has a nice one. -i'll do that, need to shrink a fat partition, thanks ;) |
| 00:59.47 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: how did you put root.img on the disk? |
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| 00:59.52 | PerfDave | zcot: I hear System Rescue CD is nice, resiak tells me that it uses a framebuffer instead of an X server for qtparted so is more lightweight. |
| 00:59.56 | kingsley | Coweater: htmldoc evidently generates indexed PDF, and although I suspect it's not what you want, it might be worth checking out. |
| 00:59.57 | le_mackeux | mathias: the error is "Media seems to be bad!" but it isn't |
| 01:00.07 | le_mackeux | mathias: using dd on a linux |
| 01:00.12 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: how do you know it isn't bad? |
| 01:00.30 | phantomcircuit-a | im lonely someoen buy me a hooker so i have someone to talk to |
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| 01:00.33 | Coweater | kingsley: thanks, might be worth the trouble |
| 01:00.41 | le_mackeux | mathias: changes the drive, the floppy the computer from wich i made it |
| 01:00.45 | kingsley | Coweater: apt-cache show htmldoc |
| 01:00.53 | PerfDave | phantomcircuit-a: irc.undernet.org #teensex HTH HAND :) |
| 01:01.28 | jelly | PerfDave: hand is the likely option... ;-) |
| 01:01.35 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: did you check the md5sum of the disk after you wrote it? Floppy installs are notoriously flaky. You might have to try a different floppy disk. |
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| 01:02.22 | npx | I realize this probably isn't the best place to ask, but how much of a security liability is uPNP functionality on a gateway machine? |
| 01:02.27 | PerfDave | I have a sneaking suspicion that floppy disks these days are made more cheaply because they're so rarely used. I'm almost certain that I had far fewer problems with floppies ten years ago than I do on the rare occasions these days when I'm forced to use them. |
| 01:02.30 | le_mackeux | mathias: i tried diffrent disk, drives and method of writing to it( rawrith on windows and dd on linux) |
| 01:02.46 | le_mackeux | mathiasL but i didN,t try md5 on it, i don't know howto |
| 01:02.47 | PerfDave | npx: I don't know much about uPNP but it seems like a horrifically bad idea to me ;) |
| 01:02.55 | fishhead | needs to know if anyone has used "smart boot manager" to boot a cdrom from a pc without cdrom booting support in the bios and ran into issues with isolinux and ubcd |
| 01:03.07 | npx | PerfDave, that's the impression I got... some users are asking for it |
| 01:03.20 | npx | and I'm thinking, hey, I can forward some ports if there's a reason |
| 01:03.27 | npx | but why the fancy acronym shit? |
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| 01:04.18 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: it sounds to me like you are doing things correctly but the data being read off the floppy isn't correct when it is read off. Sorry. You might try checking the md5sum of the floppy to make sure it's right. Even if it is, floppies are notoriously flaky. there used to be an anecdote in the debian install docs about some guy needing to write 5 different floppies before it worked. |
| 01:04.21 | PerfDave | npx: Have they said why they want it? I'm guessing it's for VoIP or something. |
| 01:04.45 | kingsley | fishhead: It may be (yet another) google research project. |
| 01:04.49 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.51 | foo | jelly: hmm, weird. Ok, thanks.. .I'll take this to proftpd |
| 01:04.52 | npx | PerfDave, Among other things. Various IM clients support it, and some games. |
| 01:05.07 | npx | I'm just worried it's going to get the windows boxes ownt within a couple days |
| 01:05.11 | jelly | foo: do you have sarge? |
| 01:05.13 | fishhead | I been researching google for hrs |
| 01:05.32 | le_mackeux | mathias: hold on, I'll try it |
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| 01:05.45 | jelly | foo: proftpd in sarge is rather buggy and segfaults. Try to use a backport or make one yourself. |
| 01:05.48 | De_Mon | filesharing apps use it too fyi |
| 01:06.10 | foo | Woah, weird. I am getting this in /var/log/messages. Dec 11 17:07:44 localhost *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x08111f68 *** .. Any ideas? |
| 01:06.10 | kingsley | fishhead: Do you get an error message? |
| 01:06.13 | phantomcircuit-a | im lonely someoen buy me a hooker so i have someone to talk to |
| 01:06.14 | foo | jelly: yes |
| 01:06.17 | jelly | foo: to see what's really going on in lftp, type in "debug 3" before doing anything else. |
| 01:06.19 | npx | De_Mon, the ones I don't want them using are already firewalled |
| 01:06.23 | fishhead | fishhead it loads knoppix cd ok |
| 01:06.24 | fishhead | NiZo Hi, I'm trying to integrate "fedora core (2.4.22-1.2115 npt1)" on a network wich "smoothwall" is my server and is configured to be a transparent proxy/firewall/IDS, all station on the network win9x/2000/XP are well connected to the internet, but with fedora I can ping any IP or hote (like: www.google.com) and I can do a tracert, but I can't use the browser or any other application using internet. can someone help me please |
| 01:06.24 | fishhead | fishhead it loads the menu part of ubcd |
| 01:06.24 | fishhead | fishhead but it seems anything with isolinux chockes and most of the programs in ubcd use that |
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| 01:06.33 | fishhead | heh |
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| 01:06.37 | PerfDave | Looks like fishhead hit the wrong key ;) |
| 01:06.46 | foo | jelly: That error I just pasted from the log is the problem. I thought sarge was stable? :P |
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| 01:07.01 | vassagus | ok here the error when i boot my smp kernel, unable to handle kernel pagin request |
| 01:07.17 | De_Mon | npx guess you're not blocking by port then |
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| 01:07.41 | kingsley | fishhead: Do you get an error message? |
| 01:07.42 | npx | De_Mon, I explicitly allow outbound/inbound traffic |
| 01:07.46 | npx | not the other way around |
| 01:07.51 | npx | everything is dropped by default |
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| 01:08.00 | fishhead | no |
| 01:08.12 | De_Mon | npx i thought we were talking about upnp sorry |
| 01:08.18 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: if yo have a working machine, you could always do this: put the HD in a working machine. use debootstrap to install onto the hard drive. Move it back. Boot using a floppy (tom's rescue floppy will work) and then fix LILO. voila! |
| 01:08.29 | kingsley | fishhead: Have you checked /var/log/messages for an error message? |
| 01:08.32 | npx | De_Mon, yeah, to hell with upnp lol |
| 01:08.52 | De_Mon | thats my phylosophy! |
| 01:09.20 | jelly | foo: stable, yes. bugless? hell no. the bugs in proftpd are known. there might be a fix trickled back to sarge. |
| 01:09.34 | foo | jelly: hmm, I'll install from testing.. is that recommended? |
| 01:09.56 | fishhead | okay I am going to explain this again, I HAVE "smart boot manager" on a floppy and it boots knoppix from cdr perfectely on a machine without cdrom boot support, and it will load the front menu of UBCD but from there any program ubcd tries to load just chockes and bounces back to the SBM |
| 01:10.02 | mathias64 | foo: depends on who you ask, and what you will do with the machine. |
| 01:10.10 | foo | mathias64: Just a local server, no big deal. |
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| 01:10.42 | vassagus | ok here the error when i boot my smp kernel, unable to handle kernel pagin request any ideas? |
| 01:10.48 | jelly | foo: a package from testing will probably pull in other dependencies like new libc6, you don't want that. |
| 01:10.48 | mathias64 | foo: testing is probably OK. It will becmome more and more stable over the next 12 months as they prepare for a release. |
| 01:10.52 | jelly | foo: make a backport. |
| 01:11.00 | kingsley | fishhead: Now I understand. |
| 01:11.05 | resiak | !simple sid backport |
| 01:11.05 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
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| 01:11.10 | foo | jelly: What do you mean, "make a backport?" Never done that before. |
| 01:11.12 | fishhead | it appears some boot loaders don't like it |
| 01:11.13 | foo | oh, ok. thanks dpkg |
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| 01:11.28 | mathias64 | foo: I was talking about upgrading everything to testing. You can't go halfway and install one single package from testing. |
| 01:11.33 | phantomcircuit-a | fuck you |
| 01:11.42 | foo | mathias64: ah, I see. Hmm. |
| 01:11.52 | jelly | foo: see also bugs.debian.org/308313, seems that maintainer has made some backports too. |
| 01:12.08 | mathias64 | foo: the method dpkg just listed works well for a lot of packages. |
| 01:12.15 | foo | mathias64: right |
| 01:12.36 | jelly | foo: they're at deb http://people.debian.org/~frankie/debian/sarge/ ./ |
| 01:12.54 | mathias64 | phantomcircuit-a: ???phantom |
| 01:13.39 | foo | jelly: ah, thanks. I will just wget the latest and install it. |
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| 01:14.34 | PerfDave | "canucking" :) |
| 01:14.47 | mathias64 | foo: jelly gave the sourrces.list line |
| 01:14.54 | BramStokersBTerr | roflol |
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| 01:14.56 | BramStokersBTerr | ready for some spanking ? |
| 01:14.58 | BramStokersBTerr | HO NO NOT THE B*** WORD ! |
| 01:15.11 | jelly | bazooka? |
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| 01:15.14 | foo | mathias64: oh |
| 01:15.15 | mathias64 | wget is less useful because dpkg doesn't understand dependencies |
| 01:15.20 | le_mackeux | mathias: i md5 both, the .img file and the floppy and they are the same |
| 01:15.21 | BramStokersBTerr | BRAM |
| 01:15.22 | PerfDave | foo: If you install by hand, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 01:15.30 | foo | PerfDave: What do you recommend? |
| 01:15.53 | PerfDave | foo: Not using FTP :) |
| 01:15.53 | jelly | brainless? |
| 01:15.55 | foo | PerfDave: Just plan on this being a one time thing.. everything else is working good. |
| 01:15.58 | BramStokersBTerr | BRAM |
| 01:15.59 | BramStokersBTerr | BRAM |
| 01:16.05 | foo | PerfDave: Hmm, ok, what, then? |
| 01:16.06 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: OK. could you try one more time, and let us know what the last few lines say? We're looking for any other information about why it is crashing |
| 01:16.14 | PerfDave | foo: STFP or DAV? |
| 01:16.17 | aka_druid | BramStokersBTerr, go find something useful to do |
| 01:16.29 | BramStokersBTerr | aka_druid, get a life |
| 01:16.29 | aka_druid | other than being banned in lots fo channels |
| 01:16.30 | le_mackeux | ok, hold on, i'll boot it |
| 01:16.40 | foo | PerfDave: DAV? heh, never even heard of that. tftp I've heard of. Assuming that is more secure than ftp. |
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| 01:16.51 | SimonRaven | webDAV |
| 01:16.51 | PerfDave | foo: No, tftp is not the same thing as sftp. |
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| 01:17.08 | SimonRaven | www.webdav.org/ |
| 01:17.14 | foo | PerfDave: I know ... |
| 01:17.24 | foo | PerfDave: Never implied that. Unless there is a misunderstanding. |
| 01:17.47 | kingsley | fishhead: Have you seen the suggestions at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/faq.html? |
| 01:17.54 | le_mackeux | mathias: "Loading..zcat: floppy/initrd.gz: No such file or directory" |
| 01:18.25 | fishhead | yeah and I been googling for hrs |
| 01:18.27 | fishhead | I have 32 pc's |
| 01:18.43 | le_mackeux | mathias: "Install media seems to be bad!" |
| 01:18.44 | fishhead | I should just grab another one but this one was all cleaned up put together ready to go |
| 01:18.56 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: is it trying to read from the CD? The floppy/ directory is a directory on the CD. |
| 01:19.03 | fishhead | it's not the media or the bios settings |
| 01:19.10 | fishhead | I been a hardware repair tech for over 12 yrs |
| 01:19.33 | fishhead | i checked for all those conditions |
| 01:19.51 | mathias64 | mathias64: does it say anything before the Loading... line about where it thinks the root image is located? |
| 01:19.56 | fishhead | smart boot manager gets it to the menu part of ubcd so sbm is working |
| 01:20.03 | fishhead | but it dies when ubcd menu tries to call anything |
| 01:20.15 | le_mackeux | Mathias: you're writing to your self. lol |
| 01:20.32 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: sorry |
| 01:20.32 | le_mackeux | mathias: what does it mean that it is trying to read from cd? |
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| 01:20.52 | le_mackeux | mathias: there s no cd-rom on that machine |
| 01:21.04 | npx | house of the rising sun |
| 01:21.07 | npx | this song owns |
| 01:21.10 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: there is a file floppy/initrd.gz located on the installation CDROM. Does the installer kernel say anything aboe the Loading... line? |
| 01:21.28 | le_mackeux | no, you got it all |
| 01:21.48 | le_mackeux | oh |
| 01:21.50 | le_mackeux | wait |
| 01:21.50 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: It doesn't even say ``uncompressing kernel...'' |
| 01:22.34 | le_mackeux | mathias: The disk has no label, continuing anyways." nothing else between "Inserting....." and Loading |
| 01:22.38 | fishhead | well folks I think I am just going to swap out this propritary dell case and board for something standard and with cdrom support in the bios, thanks for trying to help though |
| 01:22.48 | kingsley | fishhead: Do you happen to know if your ubcd has a working copy of FreeDOS on it? |
| 01:23.00 | fishhead | yes I believe so |
| 01:23.10 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: Do you get a boot: prompt? |
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| 01:23.28 | kingsley | fishhead: What version of ubcd are you using? |
| 01:23.33 | fishhead | 3.3 |
| 01:23.36 | fishhead | latest |
| 01:23.42 | le_mackeux | mathias: looks like? |
| 01:23.57 | fishhead | kingsley I though it might be ubcd but another boot cdr had the same issue |
| 01:24.14 | mathias64 | When you put in the boot floppy and reboot the machine, you should get a screen of text about the debian installer and a prompt at the bottom that says boot: |
| 01:24.28 | mathias64 | Are you getting there? |
| 01:24.40 | mathias64 | Are you starting with the ``boot'' floppy? |
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| 01:24.56 | fishhead | dude |
| 01:24.57 | fishhead | i said |
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| 01:25.08 | fishhead | SBM can load a knoppix cd perfectely |
| 01:25.17 | fishhead | it transfers boot control like a charm |
| 01:25.26 | le_mackeux | mathias: i do |
| 01:25.28 | fishhead | it's some other cds that use isolinux seem to have an issue |
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| 01:25.58 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: ok, so you hit enter at the boot prompt. what happens then? |
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| 01:26.37 | kingsley | fishhead: So if the problem isn't SBM, the media or the BIOS settings, that leaves other hardware, like the CDROM, motherboard, etc... |
| 01:27.02 | le_mackeux | mathias: http://frjo.info/DSC00004.jpg sorry for the quality |
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| 01:27.14 | fishhead | it's a bios issue |
| 01:27.27 | fishhead | so the board is effectively CANUCKED by design so I am recycling it |
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| 01:27.35 | jelly | fishhead: Does isolinux require a floppy image on the el-torito bootable cdrom? maybe there are problems with the size of the floppy image? Some bioses didn't like 2.88 floppies on CD-s, while CD-s with 1.44 floppy images worked. |
| 01:27.49 | fishhead | hmm |
| 01:27.53 | PerfDave | Wow, I think I'm going to use "canucked" instead of "fucked" in future :) |
| 01:27.53 | fishhead | good point |
| 01:27.55 | mathias64 | one minute |
| 01:27.59 | fishhead | lemme try a few I think are 1.44 |
| 01:28.31 | EdLin | PerfDave: but CUBAR doesn't have that ring to it. |
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| 01:28.44 | PerfDave | EdLin: Not unless you hate Castro, I guess ;) |
| 01:28.54 | EdLin | :-D |
| 01:29.12 | jelly | fishhead: not that this will help you in any way, but at least you'll know that that bios is borken in one more place. |
| 01:29.13 | fishhead | so |
| 01:29.15 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: is there any usb drive plugged in? |
| 01:29.20 | le_mackeux | no |
| 01:29.21 | fishhead | you are saying some bios's don't like 2.888 images |
| 01:29.29 | le_mackeux | there is no usb on that machine |
| 01:29.36 | fishhead | or just when doing cdrom floppy emulation |
| 01:29.53 | mathias64 | le_mackeux:ok. |
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| 01:29.58 | jelly | fishhead: yup. IIRC some toshibas. I _think_ only with cdrom floppy emu. |
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| 01:31.26 | kingsley | fishhead: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=771 seems to address an isolinux and ubcd problem. |
| 01:31.44 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: try typing BOOT_DEBUG=2 at the boot: prompt, see if that increases the output of the installer. |
| 01:32.13 | mathias64 | mathias64: joust to double-check: you donwloaded the root.img file and then copied it like dd if=root.img of=/dev/fd0 |
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| 01:33.33 | mathias64 | you can also try INSTALL_MEDIA_DEV=/dev/floppy/0 |
| 01:34.12 | le_mackeux | mathias: are you sure there is nothing missing "BOOT_REBUG=2" |
| 01:34.20 | fishhead | kingsley thx but it's not worth hacking up the disc |
| 01:34.24 | fishhead | I will just move on to another pc |
| 01:34.28 | kingsley | fishhead: I'm wondering if SBM has an isolinux driver. |
| 01:34.29 | mathias64 | Hmmm. BOOT_DEBUG=2 linux |
| 01:34.37 | mathias64 | you may have to give it the kernel name |
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| 01:35.31 | mathias64 | somebody here know for usre how to pass BOOT_DEBUG=2 to the installer? |
| 01:36.10 | kingsley | fishhead: It's time for me to go. Good luck. |
| 01:36.17 | fishhead | thx |
| 01:36.19 | fishhead | I have 32 pc's |
| 01:36.21 | fishhead | I just grab another |
| 01:36.27 | fishhead | just this one was ready to go |
| 01:36.31 | fishhead | but I appreciate it |
| 01:36.31 | fishhead | thx bro |
| 01:37.18 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: maybe linux BOOT_DEBUG=2, where linux is the kernel name (you can get a list from the screen of text in the installer) |
| 01:38.10 | le_mackeux | mathias: yea that was it but now it is 2 verbose |
| 01:38.17 | le_mackeux | i can't read usefull thing |
| 01:39.39 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: too verbose is OK. We only care about the end part. I want to double check which device the root initrd.gz is being read from |
| 01:40.11 | mathias64 | It ought to be after the ``Press Enter when ready'' line |
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| 01:42.43 | le_mackeux | mathias: the only thing i can see is is the echo of the bad media |
| 01:42.51 | le_mackeux | i can't see where it is trying to load it |
| 01:43.20 | mathias64 | hmm. Let's try boot: linux BOOT_DEBUG=1 INSTALL_MEDIA_DEV=/dev/floppy/0 |
| 01:43.37 | mathias64 | you can try shift-pageup to scroll backwards |
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| 01:45.08 | odla | tar: |
| 01:45.11 | odla | tarzeau: hello? |
| 01:45.38 | odla | panthera: tarzeau wants me to bug you about packing bubbros!!! |
| 01:45.49 | foo | Anyone in here use lftp but for sftp instead of ftp? |
| 01:45.57 | odla | panthera: i would also be interested in you packing it as well |
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| 01:47.44 | le_mackeux | mathias: the exact same error |
| 01:48.34 | steal | how can i install libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 if i have installed libc6 2.3.5-8.1 |
| 01:49.03 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: what is the md5sum of the root floppy disk? |
| 01:49.21 | le_mackeux | mathias: 3169232a4652ee97a96215716a6b30d1 |
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| 01:50.20 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: OK, that's the BOOT disk. How about the other one? |
| 01:50.57 | le_mackeux | mathias: sorry , root md5 is 35fffc2f076e841a17fca6e6d0abeb33 |
| 01:51.10 | thc | steal: you can't downgrade. reinstall. |
| 01:51.23 | Manoj_ | goodness. This channel is comparatively deserted, I would never have thought I would say that of #debian |
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| 01:52.21 | kartoo | when i give --enable-gui option to configure script of mplayer, it says Checking for GTK version ... Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found). |
| 01:52.28 | steal | thc i must reinstall all my system???? |
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| 01:53.00 | loopdee | usb 2-3: control timeout on ep0in , what would this mean? |
| 01:53.01 | kartoo | which package does it expect me to install? |
| 01:53.11 | kartoo | i've already installed libgtk2.0 |
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| 01:53.29 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: and that's the disk that it says floppy/initrd.gz: no such file or directory |
| 01:53.32 | foo | Anyone in here use lftp but for sftp instead of ftp? I can't seem to get it to connect to the sftp server. |
| 01:53.35 | foo | oops |
| 01:53.39 | thc | steal: libc6 2.3.5 is etch. if you need libc6 from sarge, you can not downgrade. |
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| 01:53.43 | mathias64 | Manoj_: very quiet |
| 01:53.49 | kartoo | foo: what does it say? |
| 01:53.52 | le_mackeux | mathias: right |
| 01:53.59 | quik_ | whats the "debian way" to install svn and apache with mod_dav to handle the svn stuff? |
| 01:54.22 | steal | thc i prefer upgrade all my system to etch |
| 01:54.28 | foo | kartoo: `ls' at 0 [Delaying before reconnect: 90] ... which means it is having trouble connecting |
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| 01:54.48 | thc | steal: then do it. |
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| 01:54.56 | steal | this is terrible |
| 01:55.01 | le_mackeux | mathias: is it the one you got? |
| 01:55.03 | thc | steal: what makes you think you need sarge's libc6 ? |
| 01:55.21 | kartoo | foo: what server? do you have to connect specifically to some port? use lftp -u <username>,<passwd> -p <port> <server> |
| 01:55.30 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: Hmm. I mounted that image, and the initrd.gz in the the root directoyr, not in floppy/initrd.gz |
| 01:55.30 | steal | i've got sarge |
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| 01:55.39 | Blinx | hi guys |
| 01:55.43 | mathias64 | which is really really really strange |
| 01:55.48 | steal | i've installed libc6 from etch for error |
| 01:55.53 | thc | steal: no, you don't. if you're already using libc6 2.3.5, you're running testing/unstable. |
| 01:55.54 | Blinx | does anyone here use Maya please? |
| 01:55.56 | steal | i'm very stupid |
| 01:56.01 | foo | kartoo: Yup, that's what I'm doing. Have you gotten it to work? |
| 01:56.07 | quik_ | is there an easy way to install svn and manage it on debian? |
| 01:56.16 | kartoo | foo: yeah! i use it daily. |
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| 01:56.24 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: if you could, mount the ROOT floppy on a working machine and tell em what you see |
| 01:56.26 | Blinx | Were you talking to mee, Kartoo? |
| 01:56.26 | foo | kartoo: for ftp or sftp? |
| 01:56.27 | kartoo | what server do you wanna connect? |
| 01:56.33 | le_mackeux | hold on |
| 01:56.34 | kartoo | yes foo |
| 01:56.35 | thc | steal: backup your files ; /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 01:56.42 | foo | kartoo: Which ... |
| 01:56.43 | steal | thc, i need to do apt-get dist-upgrade to complete etch |
| 01:56.53 | kartoo | Blinx: did i call you? |
| 01:57.05 | Blinx | Can someone help me with a Maya problem please? Or just tell me which server I need to go onto get some help. |
| 01:57.08 | thc | steal: yes. man apt-get; man aptitude |
| 01:57.09 | kartoo | foo: kaski-net |
| 01:57.19 | foo | kartoo: What? I asked if you were using sftp or ftp |
| 01:57.21 | le_mackeux | mathias: what's the vfat format to mount it? |
| 01:57.28 | kartoo | foo: sftp |
| 01:57.38 | foo | kartoo: hmm, what port is it on? Just 22, right |
| 01:57.44 | kartoo | foo: 121 |
| 01:57.49 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: I just did mount /dev/loop1 foo. The FS type is probably msdos or vfat. |
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| 01:58.01 | foo | kartoo: ah, that's probably why |
| 01:58.13 | foo | kartoo: uh, nmap localhost doesn't show anything on 121 |
| 01:58.25 | foo | kartoo: But ssh is running |
| 01:58.37 | kartoo | foo: why? open the port then. |
| 01:58.42 | Evil_Pink_Robot | any package manintainers here? i wanted to know if you guys used checkinstall to build deb packages for the apt-get repository |
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| 01:59.10 | foo | kartoo: Is sftp the default? I have the sshd running |
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| 01:59.36 | kartoo | foo: what do u mean by "is ftp the default" ? |
| 01:59.48 | SimonRaven | sftp != ftp |
| 01:59.53 | mathias64 | Evil_Pink_Robot: checkinstall is really for nonnative packages. Something already packaged will have debian/rules and you run debian/rules binary to make the package |
| 02:00.10 | le_mackeux | mathias: the initrd.gz is at the img's root |
| 02:00.24 | Evil_Pink_Robot | mathias64: i wanted to become a package maintainer for a s/w that is currently not apt-gettable |
| 02:00.38 | Evil_Pink_Robot | mathias64: but i have never really built a package before for this other than using checkinstall |
| 02:00.39 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: along with disk.lbl and initrd.list? |
| 02:00.53 | le_mackeux | right |
| 02:01.01 | brlancer_ | vim sometimes freezes when editing a file--I've had this on multiple debian boxes. Anyone seen this, know what the issue is? |
| 02:01.05 | thc | !tell Evil_Pink_Robot about nm guide |
| 02:01.09 | mathias64 | Evil_Pink_Robot: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 02:01.24 | Evil_Pink_Robot | heh, thanks guys |
| 02:01.26 | jelly | foo: sftp is on by default, but check /etc/ssh/sshd_config, near the end. |
| 02:01.28 | mathias64 | brlancer_: maybe you hit escape? just asking |
| 02:01.34 | threat | wtf is WDS in relation to wireless ? |
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| 02:02.34 | JT | it's to setup an AP to act as a repeater |
| 02:02.37 | brlancer | mathias64: out of curiousity, how would editing a file be *frozen* until I hit escape? |
| 02:02.43 | JT | so it can both connect to another AP and serve clients |
| 02:03.03 | mathias64 | brlancer: maybe you aren't used to vim and you hist escape and then wondered why it froze. a classic new user mistake. |
| 02:03.09 | brlancer | I don't run into this issue on other OS's, so I don't think it's an upstream problem |
| 02:03.22 | brlancer | mathias64: it wouldn't *freeze*, in that case |
| 02:03.44 | mathias64 | brlancer: is there anything common between the occasions when it freezes? |
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| 02:04.04 | brlancer | mathias64: not that I've noticed; it seems to happen randomly |
| 02:04.05 | bbrazil | brlancer: I've hit the same myself on both debian and solaris, given the high processor usage at the same time I assume its rejigging its memory structures |
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| 02:04.30 | foo | jelly: oh, ok |
| 02:04.38 | brlancer | and now it releases |
| 02:04.51 | mathias64 | brlancer: ? |
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| 02:05.00 | foo | jelly: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/sftp-server ... sftp-server runs on what port? |
| 02:05.11 | brlancer | fuck--is there a ^S ^Q internal to vim? |
| 02:05.18 | brlancer | mathias64: it just unfroze |
| 02:05.23 | jelly | foo: no separate port. It runs under ssh. |
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| 02:05.31 | le_mackeux | mathias: are you over with ideas? |
| 02:05.41 | brlancer | strace doesn't look different |
| 02:06.05 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: unfortunately, yes. Sorry. |
| 02:06.29 | M_Cheevy | quicky question.. when making a kernel the old fashion way you could use the '-j 10' option to get it to stack jobs and therefore compile more quickly. Is there a similar option for make-kpkg? |
| 02:06.43 | mathias64 | brlancer: ^S / ^Q likely won't show up in strace. |
| 02:07.09 | bbrazil | brlancer: however if a process is STOPed you can get it to show in ps |
| 02:07.18 | brlancer | mathias64: it's not ^S ^Q; but I wonder if there's something internal to vim that does something similar |
| 02:07.24 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: so there is disk.lbl and initrd.list in the same directory? |
| 02:07.35 | brlancer | but I don't know why I would only see it on debian |
| 02:07.42 | le_mackeux | yes |
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| 02:07.53 | kartoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:08.13 | bbrazil | kartoo: try adding a -dev to that |
| 02:08.41 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: look at the help, see if ther is a way to make the initrd point to /initrd.gz |
| 02:08.58 | le_mackeux | :S that's probaly 2 much for me |
| 02:09.10 | le_mackeux | mathias: i wil probably stick with my gentoo |
| 02:09.28 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: try this. make a directory floppy/ on the root disk and move the initrd.gz to that directory. |
| 02:10.20 | Blinx | join #maya |
| 02:10.28 | Blinx | how do you join a channel in this? |
| 02:10.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
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| 02:11.00 | kartoo | would i be able to upgrade to openoffice 2.0 in my sarge? how? |
| 02:11.22 | odla | kartoo: yes |
| 02:11.45 | odla | kartoo: deb http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org2/ ./ |
| 02:11.45 | mathias64 | le_mackeux : ok. i am looking into something, one minute |
| 02:11.49 | kartoo | odla: how? would i be able to use aptitude for that? |
| 02:11.58 | odla | kartoo: add that source |
| 02:12.08 | kartoo | odla: ok |
| 02:12.10 | kartoo | thanx |
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| 02:12.20 | odla | kartoo: there is no 2 on the end |
| 02:12.25 | odla | kartoo: deb http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org/ ./ |
| 02:12.39 | odla | kartoo: you'll need to install myspell and stuff...btw help doesn't work |
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| 02:12.44 | kartoo | ya saw that odla |
| 02:13.03 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: try boot: expert and see if that helps |
| 02:13.06 | golly | anyone here use vsftp? |
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| 02:13.10 | kartoo | doesn't apt install that myspell stuff automaticall odla? |
| 02:14.18 | odla | kartoo: it didn't for me |
| 02:14.29 | odla | kartoo: are you upgrading? |
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| 02:14.36 | odla | kartoo: or are you doing a clean install of openoffice.org |
| 02:14.49 | corvax | is there a way to make apt tell you the size of a download before you do it i tried --dry run and --simulate |
| 02:14.52 | kartoo | odla: upgrading |
| 02:15.14 | odla | kartoo: well then it might work for you :)...i did a clean install..i didn't have oo.org installed |
| 02:15.41 | kartoo | odla: ok. thanx |
| 02:15.44 | odla | kartoo: just note that you might need to reinstall a spell check program |
| 02:15.47 | odla | kartoo: no problem |
| 02:15.50 | kartoo | ok |
| 02:16.10 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: yeah, sorry. i'm out of ideas without actually seeing the error messages |
| 02:16.14 | sifi | I have: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1, Is it possible to recover the files? |
| 02:16.27 | kartoo | yeah the spell check that comes withh 001.1 sucks all the resources, whereas in 2.0 its good. |
| 02:16.32 | kartoo | odla |
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| 02:16.49 | PerfDave | corvax: "apt-cache show" will show you the Installed-Size: of a package |
| 02:17.22 | corvax | i mean one i havent installed yet |
| 02:17.28 | kartoo | and BTW, what games are there in debiabn, that use freedoom? |
| 02:17.29 | corvax | including depends it may need |
| 02:17.31 | le_mackeux | mathias: i just notice simething. there is " usb.c: registered new driver usb-starage" but there is no usb |
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| 02:17.38 | sifi | Is it possible to recover the files in sda1 after mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 ? |
| 02:18.05 | odla | kartoo: yeah? |
| 02:18.20 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: yeah, I noticed that, too. But you said there is no USB. You could try going into the BIOS setup to make sure that USB is turned off. BTW I checked boot.img and your original root.img was correct |
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| 02:18.48 | odla | kartoo: you can search for games with synaptic, apt-get, or aptitude..probably synaptic is the best way |
| 02:19.04 | kartoo | odla: okay. |
| 02:19.15 | sifi | PerfDave, Is it possible to recover the files in sda1 after mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 02:19.32 | odla | kartoo: not sure if the spell check is better in oo.org2...i doubt it is...or at least the debian package |
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| 02:20.30 | le_mackeux | mathias: the BIOS is so old that there is nothing that looks like usb in that |
| 02:20.39 | leroy | Hi...I normally use slack but am playing with debian Sarge. I have an extre hd slaved as /dev/hdb1. I can only mount it as root. I have change the /etc/fstab but still having problems. I would also like for user to be able to transfer data to it. I haven't had much luck googling |
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| 02:21.40 | jackhong | question: hi everyone, gksudo doesn't work for me anymore, i tried running it from command-line, it asks for the password directly from the terminal instead of poping up a window, help please! |
| 02:21.54 | odla | jackhong: are you running ubuntu? |
| 02:21.57 | PerfDave | sifi: Uhm, why are you asking me? |
| 02:22.00 | mathias64 | Is there anyone in the room here who is really, really familiar with debian-installer? |
| 02:22.01 | jackhong | odla, yes |
| 02:22.11 | jackhong | odla, breezy |
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| 02:22.21 | PerfDave | jackhong: #ubuntu :) |
| 02:22.22 | thc | !pal jackhong |
| 02:22.23 | odla | jackhong: this question would best be answered in #ubuntu as we're running debian |
| 02:22.27 | peigen | hi all |
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| 02:22.49 | peigen | how to connect net print with debian |
| 02:22.59 | jackhong | odla, i'm running both debian and ubuntu, and i got the same error |
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| 02:23.30 | jackhong | odla, and ubuntu is based on debian, isn't it? |
| 02:23.36 | PerfDave | !based on debian |
| 02:23.36 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 02:23.53 | foo | Can I add a user to sftp server ? |
| 02:24.34 | odla | jackhong: it is...but the problem is that there are differences between ubuntu and debian and it's best to ask the ubuntu questions to the ubuntu folks cause they're running ubuntu and know more about it then us :) |
| 02:24.36 | jackhong | PerfDave, well... or say it's a debian-like OS, ok? |
| 02:24.51 | Guerin | jackhong: ok. go to #debian-like |
| 02:24.57 | thc | haha |
| 02:25.02 | thc | !beer Guerin |
| 02:25.04 | odla | Guerin: is that really a channel? |
| 02:25.04 | jackhong | odla, but the author of gksu is a debian developer... |
| 02:25.10 | Guerin | ach, begorrah |
| 02:25.14 | Guerin | odla: it is how |
| 02:25.17 | PerfDave | jackhong: So what? This IRC channel is for Debian, #ubuntu is for Ubuntu. Ubuntu is not Debian, Ubuntu does things differently to Debian, we can't help you with Ubunut problems. |
| 02:25.18 | corvax | see apt-cache show super tux only shows me that its installed size is 652 but if i do apt-get install supertux including depends it ends up being 18.5 mb |
| 02:25.19 | Guerin | s/h/n/ |
| 02:25.19 | jackhong | odla, i thought i've come to the right place... |
| 02:25.36 | Guerin | corvax: yes. |
| 02:25.37 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: the USB stuff means the first initrd from boot.img has been loaded. for some reason the second initrd from root.img isn't loading. I can't help any more over chat, sorry. The next thing I would do is to put a disk.lbl inside boot.img's initrd, to see if that is where the installer is looking. I don't really understand the bootstrapping magic of the installer kernel. |
| 02:25.37 | odla | jackhong: you're best asking the question in #ubuntu |
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| 02:25.50 | PerfDave | jackhong: You've not come to the right place to ask Ubuntu questions. #ubuntu is the right place to ask Ubuntu questions. |
| 02:25.57 | corvax | so how can i make apt show me the size of the package including the depends itll need |
| 02:26.13 | mathias64 | corvax: apt-get install foo, and read the output, and then type N |
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| 02:26.20 | jackhong | my question is about gksudo |
| 02:26.21 | Guerin | corvax: apt-get -s install foo |
| 02:26.33 | PerfDave | jackhong: Your question is about Ubuntu's gksudo, not Debian's. |
| 02:26.35 | jackhong | and gksudo was written by a debian guy |
| 02:26.52 | Guerin | jackhong: sudo is one of the major ways in which ubuntu differs from debian. Ask #ubuntu. |
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| 02:27.04 | corvax | simulate is the same as dry run |
| 02:27.04 | odla | we all use 'su' |
| 02:27.05 | Guerin | jackhong: don't make me open a can of whooparse on you, now. |
| 02:27.09 | Guerin | corvax: yes |
| 02:27.14 | ke6isf | jackhong: That it was written by a Debian developer means nothing. Kudzu is in Debian, but was written for redhat - you don't go to #redhat asking about Debian kudzu, do you? |
| 02:27.14 | PerfDave | jackhong: This still isn't the right channel to ask for help, and you won't get a useful answer from here. Why won't you go to #ubuntu to ask your Ubuntu question? |
| 02:27.14 | jackhong | ok, i'll try #ubuntu, thank everyone |
| 02:27.54 | corvax | yeah that doesnt tell me the file size |
| 02:28.04 | mathias64 | odla: I agree. I never use sudo on my home machine |
| 02:28.18 | corvax | i know that i can start to install then click N |
| 02:28.21 | corvax | i guess |
| 02:28.37 | corvax | thought maybe there was a different way |
| 02:29.05 | le_mackeux | mathias: tks for your help |
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| 02:29.24 | odla | Guerin: really? i guess i always use su or fakeroot...not really sure of the advantages or disadvantages of sudo vs. su |
| 02:29.25 | FarrisG | ANy idea why all my gnome theme icons are screwed up in a VNC session? They used to be fine. In fact, they still look fine if I'm using vino/remote-desktop. But not when I use realvnc or tightvnc |
| 02:30.09 | mike-e | is there any way to modify what f1 f2 f3 f4 do? |
| 02:30.16 | Guerin | odla: not needing a root shell open all the time |
| 02:30.43 | le_mackeux | mathias: is there a way to get the debian material onto the hard drive if i boot from an other linux like the on already onto it? |
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| 02:32.08 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: yes. You install the HD into the other machine, then partition it and make filesystems and swap, then use debootstrap to install the base system. Move the HD back to the first machine, use a rescue floppy to boot once and make LILO work, and voila. |
| 02:32.11 | corvax | the - y feature in apt is the proper syntax to use it apt-get install -y packagename ? |
| 02:32.16 | Guerin | corvax: yes |
| 02:32.25 | Guerin | corvax: apt-get -y install |
| 02:32.44 | corvax | aah ok |
| 02:32.47 | ke6isf | mike-e: Looks like xkeysw might work. |
| 02:32.53 | le_mackeux | mathias: do you know a howtopage about that profess |
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| 02:33.33 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
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| 02:34.03 | le_mackeux | mathias: hell ya. tks a lot that's nice of you |
| 02:34.37 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: the only sensitive thing is getting the HD to boot by itself once you put it into the old machine again. For hardware as old as yours the kernel still had to be in a certain area of the hard disc, etc. |
| 02:34.44 | Xenguy | Wow I just installed firefox in sid, and I get 'Illegal Instruction' -- guess I just got bitten by unstable |
| 02:34.54 | mathias64 | Xenguy: it works fine for me. |
| 02:35.21 | Xenguy | mathias64: yeah, haven't really seen this before |
| 02:35.24 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 02:35.56 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: you could use that method, too. Just use a rescue floppy like tom's rescue disk to get the old machine running and on the net, then follow the remote install instructions. |
| 02:36.27 | le_mackeux | mathias: i'm stating to work on it now. i'll keep you posted. tks a lot again |
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| 02:36.40 | mathias64 | good luck |
| 02:37.02 | mathias64 | Xenguy: does firefox just segfault when you load it? Does moving .mozilla or .firefox out of the way help? |
| 02:38.23 | fooz | hmm, is there a Right And Correct Keysym for your Alt key (on a PC) to be sending when you don't have any other alt/meta keys (classic 101 key IBM keyboard)? |
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| 02:44.21 | ke6isf | fooz: Ah, a space cadet keyboard. |
| 02:44.36 | fooz | or a lisp machine keyboard |
| 02:44.42 | mathias64 | fooz; I run a sun type 6, it's not clacky but it has plenty of modifiers |
| 02:44.55 | fooz | ah, that is the lisp machine keyboard |
| 02:44.59 | mathias64 | and it's dirt cheap |
| 02:45.04 | ke6isf | fooz: The sort where you hit all the bucky bits with your fingers, and hit an actual key with your nose. |
| 02:46.10 | Snoopy | damn it sucks to be poor |
| 02:46.30 | eigenlambda | yea |
| 02:46.33 | eigenlambda | bucky bits |
| 02:46.41 | mathias64 | i count 8 different keysyms between control (beside the A) Lshift, caps, alt, Ldiamond, Rdiamond, compose, AltGr |
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| 02:47.14 | mathias64 | mathias64: and that's the stock Xorg keyboard driver -- no hacking needed |
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| 02:47.45 | ke6isf | I wanna space cadet keyboard too.... |
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| 02:48.15 | fooz | geez, debian Xorg just sticks every possible bucky bit key in the mod1 group |
| 02:48.18 | fooz | annoying |
| 02:48.44 | thma | I am trying to configure iptables manually but afterevery reboot it goes back to the way it was before |
| 02:49.02 | mathias64 | fooz: how many people use more than control? |
| 02:49.07 | ^majik^ | how do I stop the xfs, jfs, etc filesystem helper programs from starting? that's not a kernel thing is it? btw, I'm using ReiserFS |
| 02:49.18 | fooz | ^majik^, you mean fsck? |
| 02:49.25 | fooz | mathias64, emacs users.. |
| 02:49.33 | fooz | firefox users.. xmms users.. centericq users.. |
| 02:49.34 | SerajewelKS | ^majik^: what's a "helper program" |
| 02:49.45 | ^majik^ | fooz: I dunno. they're there when I do either 'top' or 'ps aux' |
| 02:49.50 | thma | there is no /etc/sysconfig/iptables files, and service iptables save is an invalid command |
| 02:49.53 | abrotman | ^majik^: but what are they ? |
| 02:49.59 | fooz | ^majik^, what do you mean? what are their names? |
| 02:50.03 | mathias64 | fooz: i grant you emacs, but I bet the hardcore users are a small minority. I hever use keys with xmms; i don't even run it on my main desktop. |
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| 02:50.05 | abrotman | thma: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .... READ |
| 02:50.25 | ^majik^ | xfslogd, xfsdatad, xfsbufd, and so on |
| 02:50.38 | fooz | mathias64, mice are for clicking URLs and aiming in FPSes.. all other functions must happen via keyboard |
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| 02:50.44 | abrotman | ^majik^: and you have no xfs partitions ? |
| 02:50.48 | ^majik^ | right |
| 02:51.01 | fooz | ^majik^, those are XFS kernel threads, ignore em |
| 02:51.21 | mathias64 | fooz: if you add ``highlighting to paste'' I would agree. using xmms is essentially clicking urls. |
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| 02:51.30 | ^majik^ | fooz: I wanna turn them off if I can. I've got a 32MB RAM Virtual Machine |
| 02:51.47 | fooz | ^majik^, uninstall XFS from your kernel. there is no other way. they don't do anything or consume any resources |
| 02:51.53 | Snoopy | wow i feel like a tourist in a foreign country with a different language |
| 02:52.00 | curt | what program might I use for a multi file find and replace? |
| 02:52.06 | mathias64 | Snoopy: ? |
| 02:52.27 | ^majik^ | fooz: like.. comment it out/disable XFS in my kernel config and recompile..? |
| 02:52.32 | fooz | yep |
| 02:52.36 | curt | I want to find a function somewhere in a bunch of php files |
| 02:52.45 | abrotman | grep |
| 02:52.53 | ^majik^ | fooz: so I can't just remove it like it was a uh.. module or something? |
| 02:52.54 | curt | really... |
| 02:53.07 | fooz | ^majik^, if it is a module, you can try to remove it |
| 02:53.09 | abrotman | grep <thingyouwanttofind> *.php |
| 02:53.12 | Tomze | should i just continue make menuconfig ? this looks spooky -> http://pastebin.com/460377 |
| 02:53.17 | curt | off to the grep man again... thx abrotman |
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| 02:54.50 | abrotman | curt: that will get you a list of files .. then you can use sed to replace them if you want |
| 02:55.14 | SerajewelKS | fooz, ^majik^: it should be a module |
| 02:55.34 | fooz | lies |
| 02:56.28 | SerajewelKS | fooz: on stock debian kernel it's a module |
| 02:56.30 | curt | abrotman, grep be used recursively? |
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| 02:56.46 | fooz | i don't use stock debian kernel |
| 02:56.48 | SerajewelKS | curt: grep -r |
| 02:56.57 | curt | SerajewelKS, go figure |
| 02:57.02 | SerajewelKS | fooz: but we're not talking about *your* xfs, are we? |
| 02:57.12 | fooz | i don't know. it was never specified |
| 02:57.23 | SerajewelKS | fooz: we're talking about ^majik^'s |
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| 02:57.44 | SerajewelKS | ^majik^: try `modprobe -r xfs` |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | curt: ? |
| 02:58.47 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 02:59.00 | curt | abrotman, gosh dang is that slick |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | curt: sorry .. we can make it harder if you want |
| 03:01.27 | curt | abrotman, i make things hard enough on my own |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | heh . ok |
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| 03:01.47 | bob2 | custom kernels are for people without hobbies |
| 03:01.54 | bob2 | or a hobby that involves kernel hacking |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | !captain obvious bob2 |
| 03:02.18 | Sneaky_Bastard | actually, they are for people doing embedded linux who want to get rid of everything their system isn't going to use |
| 03:02.39 | Sneaky_Bastard | and who need the build optimized for the hardware it will be running on . |
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| 03:02.50 | bob2 | Sneaky_Bastard: you're in group (b) then |
| 03:02.57 | bob2 | I'm in group (a) |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | bob2: but you're in a band! |
| 03:03.29 | fooz | ... |
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| 03:04.00 | bob2 | jerry garcia was my friend! |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | fooz: bob2 happens to share the name of a famous musician .. or he is that famous musician |
| 03:05.01 | abrotman | apparently bob2 and the ubuntoobies haven't toured your town yet |
| 03:05.33 | bob2 | hey, don't lump me with them, I want hot Debian love |
| 03:05.50 | abrotman | bob2: i thought your were an UD ? |
| 03:06.18 | bob2 | ha ha ha |
| 03:06.24 | bob2 | nm.debian.org/nmlist.php, fool |
| 03:06.25 | abrotman | which is so much different than an UTI |
| 03:07.21 | abrotman | bob2: ah .. you're stuck in the 'very long wait' |
| 03:07.28 | bob2 | yes |
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| 03:07.46 | abrotman | seems a lot of people are stuck there |
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| 03:08.19 | bob2 | all the cool kids are waiting for an am |
| 03:08.21 | abrotman | bob2: you have to admit though .. 'bob2 and ubuntoobies' has a nice ring :) |
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| 03:09.32 | abrotman | bob2: who has the movie posters ? |
| 03:10.10 | bob2 | dondelelcaro |
| 03:10.25 | abrotman | i thought they were on your site |
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| 03:10.45 | sussudio | abrotman: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movies.html |
| 03:10.47 | bob2 | no, just don's and sussudioos |
| 03:11.16 | abrotman | oh . i've never seen dons |
| 03:11.57 | abrotman | sussudio: time for some new ones! |
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| 03:12.43 | bob2 | poor gary coleman |
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| 03:13.25 | vassagus | ufff finaly i have hyper threading enable, thanks guys, if someone have problems with smp kernel just add the parameter acpi=ht |
| 03:13.37 | Manoj_ | bob2, err. I do custom kernels to get in the SKAS patch, and the suspend2 stuff. Sometimes also the kismet patches. I kinda doubt that I fit the person without hobbies model |
| 03:13.58 | abrotman | !ht |
| 03:13.58 | dpkg | [ht] Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 03:14.09 | abrotman | sussudio: make more! |
| 03:14.20 | bob2 | Manoj_: you maintain kernel-package, so I'm putting you group (b) :) |
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| 03:14.51 | mathias64 | vassagus: thanks for the heads up |
| 03:15.04 | vassagus | welcome =) |
| 03:15.30 | mathias64 | good night everyone |
| 03:15.47 | Manoj_ | bob2, well, the patches I add to my kernels have little to do with k-p work (more with my SELinux work, but I am a use of the security modules more than a kernel hacker) |
| 03:18.26 | mike-e | anyone try to compile xfce 4.2.3 on debian sarge yet? |
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| 03:18.56 | douglas | hi which is the package that is responsible for loading appletalk on boot |
| 03:19.12 | douglas | not that i reboot a lot .... |
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| 03:20.03 | Gnea | douglas: probably netatalk |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | !tell odine about away |
| 03:20.34 | douglas | looks like you got it, thanks. |
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| 03:21.15 | abrotman | i don't undersatnd .. why all the sudden is everyone having problems with appletalk ? |
| 03:21.41 | douglas | no problem, just no need for it to be running or wasting twenty seconds on boot up |
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| 03:22.27 | douglas | i'm sure it's a nice tool and whoever made it did a fine job... |
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| 03:23.34 | abrotman | well .. yes .. but i haven't seen that at all yet .. |
| 03:23.49 | Sitherious | anyone fimiliar with proftpd ? |
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| 03:23.58 | abrotman | Sitherious: just ask |
| 03:24.01 | bob2 | it's a lot simpler if you just ask your question |
| 03:24.07 | douglas | yeah |
| 03:24.13 | Sitherious | i want to know how to make users not be able to see past there home dir |
| 03:24.16 | owner989 | set mode +x owner989 |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | Sitherious: do they also have shell access ? |
| 03:24.46 | Sitherious | in usergroups i set /bash/false |
| 03:25.08 | douglas | by see past you mean see below? |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | Sitherious: iirc .. and please double check .. set thier home dirs to "/home/<username>/ ./" |
| 03:25.23 | Sitherious | yeah lol sorry about that douglas |
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| 03:25.38 | raden | is there a command to free memory ? |
| 03:25.45 | Sitherious | iirc? |
| 03:25.47 | abrotman | !free memory |
| 03:25.47 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 03:25.48 | abrotman | !iirc |
| 03:25.48 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 03:26.35 | Sitherious | when they login they are in there home dir but if they can get into other dirs thats not theres like /var |
| 03:26.37 | smacnay_ | do the 2.4.27 debian kernel packages with patches provide most of the benefits of 2.6 (including alsa)? |
| 03:26.43 | fooz | man.. being in a unicode locale really breaks xmms |
| 03:26.48 | stumbles | hi, i just bought an AMD Athlon dual core 64. I'll need to compile my own kernel to utilise both the 64 bit and the dual core won't i? |
| 03:26.49 | caphuso | Sitherious: and that's a problem why? |
| 03:26.50 | rafx | wth was vmware thinking when they didn't add debian support but added ubuntu support?!? |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | Sitherious: check what i just said |
| 03:27.03 | abrotman | stumbles: no |
| 03:27.08 | abrotman | !tell stumbles about amd64 |
| 03:27.14 | dvs | smacnay_: 2.4.27 kernels have alsa support separately. |
| 03:27.15 | Sitherious | i dont want them to see that caphuso |
| 03:27.20 | caphuso | Sitherious: why? |
| 03:27.32 | smacnay_ | dvs: I see a separate .deb for alsa modules. |
| 03:27.41 | dvs | smacnay_: That's what they are. |
| 03:27.44 | Sitherious | caphuso: i just want them only to see there home dir |
| 03:27.46 | stumbles | excellent thanks abrotman |
| 03:27.47 | smacnay_ | dvs: I should try one of these Debian (.deb) kernel setups. |
| 03:27.49 | fooz | their home dir |
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| 03:28.02 | smacnay_ | dvs: I always compile by hand but should look at this. |
| 03:28.03 | dvs | smacnay_: Pick the one that matches your kernel EXACTLY |
| 03:28.26 | dvs | smacnay_: I'm assuming that you're using a debian kernel |
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| 03:28.33 | caphuso | Sitherious: and you don't know how to do it and you don't know the consequences. so what makes you think that it is a good idea? |
| 03:28.34 | smacnay_ | dvs: Not yet. |
| 03:28.37 | cluster | hi |
| 03:29.04 | cluster | its better to build kernel and nvidia drivers with gcc 3.4 than 4.0 alpha right? |
| 03:29.07 | smacnay_ | dvs: I am using a 2.6 kernel - hand rolled. I would like to try a .deb kernel and am not sure which version to use. |
| 03:29.22 | owner989 | it depends on your cpu smacnay_ |
| 03:29.27 | dvs | smacnay_: If you have a hand rolled 2.6 kernel then compile the ALSA modules. |
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| 03:29.49 | Sitherious | caphuso: its always a good idea to limit access :) only root should see be able to see all the dir no? |
| 03:30.03 | smacnay_ | dvs: 2.6.8 kernel is working fine right now except for a glitch in the scsi driver for my scsi card. |
| 03:30.15 | caphuso | Sitherious: why? |
| 03:30.26 | dvs | smacnay_: You can probably get away with taking a kernel .deb from etch if you wanted to |
| 03:30.31 | abrotman | caphuso: you know .. security by obscurity :) |
| 03:30.40 | dvs | ahh. Microsoft |
| 03:30.55 | Sitherious | abrotman: yessum |
| 03:30.55 | caphuso | more like "security by repeating what you've read on linuxquestions.org" |
| 03:31.01 | smacnay_ | dvs: I am using "testing" right now. I see that there is a lot more 2.4.27-2 stuff compiled than 2.6.x stuff. |
| 03:31.18 | abrotman | caphuso: admit it .. you're the forum admin! |
| 03:31.24 | dvs | smacnay_: But the 2.6 stuff have the ALSA modules in that .deb file too |
| 03:31.58 | caphuso | abrotman: no, i'm the one asking all the questions ;-) |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | ah .. and then bob2 and the ubuntoobies come and sing! |
| 03:32.23 | Sitherious | im just a new debian nub in the world of linux |
| 03:32.24 | bob2 | seek up an emotion, and your cup is overflowing! |
| 03:32.26 | vikas | i installed sid on my laptop and am using the 2.6.14 kernel image |
| 03:32.34 | bob2 | abrotman: only if I can feast on their corpses |
| 03:32.42 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:32.43 | vikas | the drives use SATA controller, but i can't access my cdrom? |
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| 03:32.57 | abrotman | bob2: works for me |
| 03:33.34 | smacnay_ | dvs: I know... actually this isn't about alsa, it is about moving back to a 2.4.27 kernel for stability but also getting alsa support. |
| 03:33.57 | dvs | smacnay_: Ok. Then I'd use the alsa modules for that 2.4 kernel |
| 03:34.10 | vikas | i googled about it, seems like i have to change a line in the kernel headers, but this was for 2.6.12, i can't find the line now in 2.6.14... |
| 03:34.10 | stumbles | abrotman, so does that mean that Intell have adopted the AMD64 instruction set for their 64-bit processors? |
| 03:34.12 | vikas | any ideas? |
| 03:34.29 | AceSmythe | random pole (of people who own domains); who here is registered through GoDaddy ? |
| 03:34.34 | abrotman | stumbles: yep .. afaik anyways .. ask #debian-amd64 for specifics |
| 03:34.36 | smacnay_ | dvs: are you using any of the .deb kernels? |
| 03:34.50 | dvs | smacnay_: Nope. I'm a kernel junkie. ;-) |
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| 03:34.57 | bob2 | joker.com 4 lyf |
| 03:34.57 | smacnay_ | dvs: :) thanks |
| 03:35.02 | dvs | smacnay_: No problem |
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| 03:35.37 | kapil | AceSmythe: do not swing random poles they may randomly come and hit you. |
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| 03:35.53 | AceSmythe | heh |
| 03:36.51 | Baloo | Joined via Jabber, for some reason /topic didn't come through...can someone fill me in on the /topic please? |
| 03:36.52 | dvs | Baloo: Try /topic |
| 03:36.52 | Baloo | /topic |
| 03:36.52 | Baloo | Don't work in jabber |
| 03:37.27 | dvs | !tell Baloo about topic |
| 03:37.31 | JT | that would seem a little useless |
| 03:37.34 | abrotman | Baloo: maybe it's just your client ? |
| 03:37.37 | dvs | Oops. Didn't work |
| 03:37.38 | odla | icewm is pretty sweet |
| 03:37.52 | Baloo | Heh, is it so hard for someone to /msg it to me since the jabber server didn't pick it up? |
| 03:38.15 | Baloo | abrotman: Thanks |
| 03:39.34 | caphuso | and if it doesn't have /topic, then it's not one |
| 03:39.52 | abrotman | then it's an AOL chat room .. |
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| 03:40.28 | Baloo | caphuso: It has a /topic, normally it picks it up. If the /topic changes, I see it. |
| 03:40.32 | ^majik^ | is there a nicely packaged lighttpd for debian? |
| 03:40.40 | ke6isf | Baloo: What's wrong with xchat? |
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| 03:40.58 | eigenlambda | ke6isf: what's wrong with telnet? |
| 03:41.29 | ke6isf | eigenlambda: unencryped, and deprecated in favor of ssh. ...is jabber encrypted? |
| 03:41.41 | Baloo | ke6isf: Depends on the server. |
| 03:41.58 | owner989 | does this server support encryption |
| 03:42.05 | Baloo | ke6isf: It's not encrypted s2s, but most servers, particularly North American and European ones, do support SSL. |
| 03:42.30 | Baloo | owner989: ursine.ca does support SSL, but it's not mandatory. It only covers client to server, not server to server connections. |
| 03:42.52 | eigenlambda | i think google talk uses ssl |
| 03:43.04 | Baloo | owner989: But it is end-to-end if you use gpg or the person you're talking to is also using SSL and is on the same jabber server. |
| 03:43.06 | Baloo | eigenlambda: Yes. |
| 03:43.13 | Baloo | eigenlambda: Theirs requires it. |
| 03:43.25 | abrotman | Baloo: i think he meant freenode :) |
| 03:43.29 | Baloo | Google is still working out the server to server part. |
| 03:43.36 | Baloo | abrotman: Oops. |
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| 03:45.44 | kapil | eigenlambda: try socat instead of netcat. it so...cat. |
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| 03:48.36 | dvs | !test |
| 03:48.36 | dpkg | Sorry, dvs, I didn't get your test. |
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| 03:50.24 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:50.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:51.50 | mfrisch | if I purge lvm and zero the disks. then reinstal lvm can I recreate them?? |
| 03:52.45 | abrotman | them being .. what ? |
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| 03:52.56 | mfrisch | the shared disk |
| 03:53.40 | abrotman | you have two drives .. they are currently LVM data .. you want to format them and re set them up ? |
| 03:56.12 | mfrisch | abrotman Yes. I updated to the latest kernel and it wont cycle says something about /sys/ so I am back to 2.6.8 base sarge kernel. The lvm does not recogize the lvm anymore and I cannot delete them. I am new to lvm. |
| 03:56.35 | abrotman | see .. i'd like to love LVM .. but weird things happen |
| 03:57.04 | mfrisch | abrotman It makes me wonder why I tried it ;-) |
| 03:57.13 | abrotman | mfrisch: great idea |
| 03:57.49 | mfrisch | abrotman I recreated the /dev/ it won't be persistent through boots. |
| 03:58.09 | abrotman | mfrisch: i don't know enough about lvm to help you much with it |
| 03:58.33 | mfrisch | abrotman THANKS. |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | sorry |
| 03:58.50 | abrotman | mfrisch: was that sarcasm ? |
| 03:58.59 | mfrisch | NO |
| 03:59.03 | abrotman | easy on the caps |
| 03:59.03 | rafx | any ideas when CVE-2005-2970 will be fixed for apache2-mpm-worker 2.0.54 in debian stable? more info at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/usn/usn-225-1 |
| 03:59.23 | abrotman | rafx: is there a bug filed against the debian package ? |
| 04:00.00 | rafx | abrotman: unfortunately, it was filed specifically for version 2.0.55 so i'm not sure it'll get attention for stable branch |
| 04:00.17 | mfrisch | abrotman I got 3 gigs of /usr installed, wich takes me awhile. and now this. lvm uses device-mapper right so we can blame redhat I guess. |
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| 04:00.30 | abrotman | !mhb |
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| 04:00.57 | abrotman | rafx: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=340337 |
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| 04:01.20 | rafx | according to usn-225-1, the problem appears to exist in apache2-mpm-worker 2.0.50 - 2.0.55 |
| 04:02.05 | rafx | abrotman: yes, thats the bug report i saw. its for 2.0.55 and the patch is for 2.0.55. where do i find out when we can grab the fix via 'apt-get update'? |
| 04:02.34 | abrotman | rafx: you can ask the maintainer .. but security is usually handled by the security team |
| 04:02.42 | abrotman | or perhaps i should say 'team' |
| 04:03.01 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 04:03.02 | dpkg | i guess dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/. Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
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| 04:03.36 | rafx | i can file basic bug reports but i'm not sure how to do it in this case. do i file a new report for 2.0.54? |
| 04:03.47 | abrotman | rafx: er .. that was supposed to be http://security.debian.org/ |
| 04:04.04 | abrotman | rafx: you can .. or you can append that bug and ask the maintainer to tag it sarge security |
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| 04:04.11 | abrotman | err tag it for sarge security |
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| 04:06.52 | bird | hello,who is testing if xine can play SVCD |
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| 04:07.28 | ForrestF | how od i remove lines that have -- at the beginning at them in VIM |
| 04:07.30 | ForrestF | do |
| 04:07.46 | caphuso | ForrestF: g/^--/d |
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| 04:07.57 | ForrestF | into where? |
| 04:08.19 | ForrestF | nvm |
| 04:08.20 | ForrestF | COOL |
| 04:08.28 | ForrestF | thank you |
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| 04:10.44 | fooz | ½ |
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| 04:12.16 | dusk | i need a high end laptop to put debian/freebsd on |
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| 04:15.01 | rafx | thanks |
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| 04:26.27 | bucky | !bugs #340337 |
| 04:26.30 | dpkg | #340337:G[apache2-mpm-worker] apache2-mpm-worker: memory leak which can occur after an aborted connection (CVE-2005-2970); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:48:02 UTC |
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| 04:37.04 | M_Cheevy | heya ppl... well, I have managed to get debian sarge installed and booting from a sata raid 0 array also being used by 3 windows installs, got x windows using nvidia dualview, and managed to get the sblive to use the digital out. now I have only three outstanding issues, all to do with the actually bootstrap, all purely cosmetic. 1) How do I get the bootstrap console to use a mode other than vga default? 2) Console font sizes? 3) Spla |
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| 04:37.36 | kingsley | I seem to have encountered a circular dependancy with "apt-get -f install". It seems that package <a> conflicts with package <b>, but <b> isn't being removed because it's required by the package that <a> is replacing. Advice? |
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| 04:39.17 | M_Cheevy | kingsley: start by nuking the package a is replacing |
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| 04:40.37 | M_Cheevy | ack... server split |
| 04:40.41 | douglas | anyone know of a VPS site that runs debian? |
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| 04:41.24 | kingsley | M_Cheevy: Yes, like you, that's also the best idea that I've come up with. |
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| 04:41.57 | M_Cheevy | kingsley: with what you gave me, that's the only logical solution |
| 04:42.46 | M_Cheevy | damn, running synaptic with only the security repository.. over 130mb of files to update |
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| 04:43.17 | kingsley | M_Cheevy: I can find no fault in your reasoning. I just hesitate to use dpkg --force. |
| 04:43.36 | Thaiger | When I first installed debian on my new computer from the CD I was away from the network so I had to tell it to not configure the network, but now when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart it won't get DHCP, how do I fix it? |
| 04:43.43 | M_Cheevy | king: what's the package? |
| 04:44.36 | ^majik^ | douglas: yeah, I'm using www.unixshell.com, and www.voxrox.com is supposed to be doing VPS's soon |
| 04:44.38 | odla | !info icewm etch |
| 04:44.46 | dpkg | icewm: (wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.23-1 (etch), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 1672 kB |
| 04:44.49 | douglas | thanks majik |
| 04:45.00 | M_Cheevy | Thaiger: take a look at your /etc/network/interfaces.. make sure it's configured to use dhcp. also make sure you have the dhcp client installed as well |
| 04:45.19 | odla | !info icewm sid |
| 04:46.17 | M_Cheevy | Thaiger: not sure, but beleive 'net-setup <interface>' will start a curses-type configuration app on the console |
| 04:46.21 | ^majik^ | night all |
| 04:46.36 | M_Cheevy | nite majik |
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| 04:46.43 | rafx | i like icewm. still havent tried gnome or kde yet (my first linux distro was slackware v0.x) |
| 04:46.55 | kingsley | M_Cheevy: Version 3.2.2-2 of kmail depends on libkdenetwork2 (>= 4:3.2.2), but libkdenetwork2 conflicts with version 3.4.3-1 of kmail. I'm trying to upgrade kmail. |
| 04:47.03 | M_Cheevy | needs to update that partline to v92bis |
| 04:47.03 | jnc | erg... what's the most functional 32-bit dchroot tutorial for a debian amd64 user? |
| 04:47.19 | dpkg | icewm: (wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.23-1 (sid), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 1672 kB |
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| 04:47.28 | jnc | i have a 32-bit dchroot now and it is having too many problems |
| 04:47.36 | jnc | i want to start over with something that is better |
| 04:47.41 | M_Cheevy | okay, looks like you'll first have to update libkdenetwork2 |
| 04:47.56 | bucky | net-setup is a knoppix app or is it a gentoo app |
| 04:48.05 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 04:48.05 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 04:48.41 | jnc | no kidding |
| 04:48.42 | bucky | Thaiger, you need auto eth0 and iface eth0 dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:48.42 | bucky | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-ifupdown |
| 04:48.47 | jnc | its own channel. thanks Gnea |
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| 04:49.06 | kingsley | M_Cheevy: libkdenetwork2 is already the latest version. |
| 04:49.18 | bucky | Thaiger, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 04:49.29 | M_Cheevy | folks... trying to pretty up the process from grub to kdm... any suggestions? after the grub-splashimage finishes I'm stuck with an ugly console with two penguins and 80 columns... anyway to improve this? |
| 04:49.30 | Thaiger | M_Cheevy: Thanks got it editing the file worked |
| 04:49.43 | M_Cheevy | Thaiger: cool, glad to help |
| 04:49.48 | Thaiger | bucky: Thanks I just got it, I did that part, but it turns out I had to add auto lo eth0 |
| 04:50.17 | M_Cheevy | Kingsley: but that version of the lib conflicts with the new kmail? weirdness |
| 04:51.48 | kingsley | M_Cheevy: I'm happy to report that a simple "dpkg -r kmail (and knode) seems to have solved that problem. |
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| 04:52.27 | M_Cheevy | kingsley: cool, wish I had been able to suggest something but determination will out ;) Perderabo |
| 04:52.59 | kingsley | libkdenetwork2 3.2.2-2 conflicts with kmail 3.2.2-2 (and knode 3.2.2-2). |
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| 04:53.24 | aaRonm | hey |
| 04:53.32 | M_Cheevy | kingsley: I'd look long and hard at that package and see what it's dependencies are |
| 04:53.35 | aaRonm | how can i put something like this route add default ppp0 on startup? |
| 04:54.00 | aaRonm | with update.rc-d? |
| 04:54.39 | aaRonm | anyone? |
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| 04:54.56 | M_Cheevy | aaRonm: been eons since I played with ppp but if memory serves www.tldp.org has a good PPP Howto online |
| 04:56.04 | aaRonm | oh ok =) |
| 04:56.16 | M_Cheevy | tldp = The Linux Documentation Project |
| 04:56.26 | kingsley | aaRonm: Yes, I might also google for ppp and faq, readme or howto. |
| 04:57.01 | SimonRaven | aaRonm: /etc/ppp/options |
| 04:58.15 | M_Cheevy | gave up on ppp myself about 10 yrs ago (isdn then adsl) |
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| 05:00.53 | fantomas | Hi. TCPDUMP with filters doesn't work. I don't know wtf is going on, but if I specify just any filter (host 123.123.123.123) - I see no packets at all. If I remove the filter - I see packets from/to 123.123.123.123. Any ideas? |
| 05:01.21 | Gnea | fantomas: what's the command you're issueing? |
| 05:01.23 | SimonRaven | try specifying the interface |
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| 05:01.48 | owner989 | that host doesnt look like a valid ip fantomas |
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| 05:02.14 | SimonRaven | it isn't supposed to... |
| 05:02.14 | fantomas | Gnea: tcpdump -i ppp0 -n host 123.123.123.123 |
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| 05:02.54 | douglas | 30Mbps is 10044 gigs a month -- does that sound about right? |
| 05:03.05 | douglas | gigs meaning gigabytes |
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| 05:04.23 | fantomas | Gnea: I'm confused.. protocol filters doesn't work too. E.g. tcpdump -i ppp0 -n 'proto \icmp' - shows nothing, while without filter I see ICMP packets from my friend. |
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| 05:05.11 | gerzyn | how can I remove xwindows from booting at start? |
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| 05:05.26 | cheal | !xwindows |
| 05:05.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 05:05.32 | fantomas | ppp0 is pppoe connection if this matters |
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| 05:06.04 | Gnea | fantomas: is that using eth0? try using that |
| 05:06.08 | SimonRaven | !nodm |
| 05:06.09 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 05:08.01 | M_Cheevy | I'm trying to pretty up the stage between when grub finishes till kdm starts up... during the actual bootstrap I get this ugly screen with two tuxes and 80 column text... is there anyway to either put a splashscreen or to change the column count? |
| 05:08.34 | Gnea | fantomas: or tcpdump -i ppp0 host X.X.X.X |
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| 05:08.57 | witless | hi. where do i list modules to ensure they are never loaded? |
| 05:09.20 | Gnea | witless: what is loading them? |
| 05:09.53 | witless | Gnea: beats me. |
| 05:10.30 | fantomas | Gnea: nothing.. |
| 05:10.32 | Gnea | witless: you may want to examine /etc/init.d/ to see what is... something like hotplug or hald perhaps |
| 05:10.58 | Gnea | fantomas: you may need to test it somehow or just wait |
| 05:11.17 | witless | Gnea: thanks, i think that was it :-) |
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| 05:15.12 | konfuzed | fishhead: have you tried the trash bin |
| 05:15.20 | konfuzed | but they might reject it as to old |
| 05:15.33 | Duelist | konfuzed: there's no good reason to throw away working hardware |
| 05:15.35 | konfuzed | why would you do that to somebody |
| 05:15.41 | konfuzed | yes there is |
| 05:16.08 | Duelist | if they are four *non-working* word processors I can see tossing them |
| 05:16.12 | konfuzed | dedicated word prcoessors that need a program to convert should be given to robotics enthusiasts for parts |
| 05:16.14 | Duelist | but obviously, they work |
| 05:16.36 | Duelist | I think OpenOffice can read that format |
| 05:16.40 | konfuzed | no truly I work with (occasionally) reboot.ca |
| 05:16.41 | Duelist | if you meant WordPerfect |
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| 05:16.55 | konfuzed | they take near anything |
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| 05:17.01 | konfuzed | but they have their limits |
| 05:17.18 | ambycrao | how cat i check fs types on partitions? |
| 05:17.24 | konfuzed | truly such word rpocesors are torture for people |
| 05:17.32 | konfuzed | why would you want to do that to some one |
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| 05:18.01 | konfuzed | perhaps you can find some enemies to give them too |
| 05:18.02 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 05:18.13 | ambycrao | fs types on partitions? |
| 05:18.23 | loopdee | if i put /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf , do i need to run anything to update? |
| 05:18.54 | konfuzed | pencil and paper is more effective than those word processors |
| 05:19.36 | fishhead | yes the one saved in wp format and the other is converted to wp and spreadsheet format with a dos program |
| 05:19.40 | sbk | ambycrao: file -s |
| 05:19.49 | fishhead | I think the one has a serial port and can do terminal |
| 05:19.52 | fishhead | so I might keep it myself |
| 05:19.58 | fishhead | it;s a inkjet for the printer side |
| 05:20.33 | konfuzed | fishhead: I truly appreciate your desire to share and not waste land fill and interest in uniquie technologies |
| 05:20.45 | konfuzed | but there are limits |
| 05:20.58 | fishhead | well i will ship them to recyclers |
| 05:21.00 | fishhead | it's good material |
| 05:21.03 | fishhead | should be recycled |
| 05:21.09 | fishhead | they can grind them up for valiable metals and stuff |
| 05:21.15 | konfuzed | I have an it museum that would be well rounded with one or two working word processors |
| 05:21.26 | fishhead | I might gut them like I did another |
| 05:21.29 | fishhead | had a z180 cpu on it |
| 05:21.39 | fishhead | turn it into a embedded system |
| 05:21.43 | konfuzed | but they have great parts for robotic enthusiasts and such |
| 05:21.47 | fishhead | yes that too |
| 05:21.51 | fishhead | plus this |
| 05:22.09 | fishhead | http://www.theworkshop.ca/energy/Wind/wind1.htm |
| 05:22.18 | fishhead | steppers are awesome brushless generators |
| 05:22.21 | konfuzed | looks kewl |
| 05:22.26 | fishhead | just need some silicon diodes to turn it into dc |
| 05:22.31 | fishhead | you can find those in the trash |
| 05:22.34 | fishhead | they are so plentifyl |
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| 05:22.44 | fishhead | in fact that's why cars switched from generators to alternators |
| 05:22.50 | fishhead | the advent of cheap silicon diodes |
| 05:23.02 | fishhead | the alternator is way more efficient and it's 3 phase |
| 05:23.06 | fishhead | needs 6 diodes to convert it to dc |
| 05:23.14 | fishhead | which is like mabye $5 worth of parts |
| 05:23.21 | fishhead | for high current ones |
| 05:23.55 | fishhead | actually car alternators are horribly inefficient because of the regulation design but the idea of using a alternator and converting it to dc is defintely the best way |
| 05:24.35 | konfuzed | kewl the workshop is just what ive been looking for |
| 05:24.51 | fishhead | ? |
| 05:25.16 | Duelist | fishhead: someone can probably use them |
| 05:25.20 | konfuzed | independent power generation methods |
| 05:25.25 | fishhead | yeah I will find a home |
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| 05:25.34 | fishhead | konfuzed oh there are better ways too but this is cheap and simple |
| 05:25.36 | Duelist | think someone that would feel intimidated using a "real computer" |
| 05:25.44 | fishhead | and I can make a bunch of little light shows etc for the kids |
| 05:25.45 | fishhead | using these |
| 05:25.47 | Duelist | though the only problem is they use floppies right? |
| 05:25.50 | fishhead | due yes |
| 05:25.55 | fishhead | low density too |
| 05:26.05 | konfuzed | I need to find kewl ways to implement power generators for wifi gateways and repeaters |
| 05:26.09 | fishhead | have to mail order them |
| 05:26.12 | bucky | the cows must appreciate that in the absence of air conditioning |
| 05:26.12 | Duelist | their lifetime is a few more years max. high density can be reformatted to low density |
| 05:26.14 | fishhead | konfused |
| 05:26.18 | fishhead | due no |
| 05:26.24 | Duelist | I think they can anyway |
| 05:26.24 | fishhead | only if they were never formatted in the first place |
| 05:26.30 | fishhead | if they are formatted hd or factory formatted hd |
| 05:26.37 | fishhead | the signals ruin them to be used as DD |
| 05:26.38 | Duelist | bulk erase the damn things first then |
| 05:26.43 | fishhead | that might work |
| 05:26.46 | Duelist | BZZZZZZZZZERT |
| 05:26.55 | fishhead | floppies are so freaking unreliable already though |
| 05:27.03 | fishhead | I AM MORE STABLE THAN A FLOPPY DISK |
| 05:27.09 | konfuzed | im not |
| 05:27.13 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 05:27.33 | Duelist | agreed. but I could only imagine the horrors of a hard-drive-based dedicated word processor |
| 05:27.57 | fishhead | well I am working on a project when it's done anythign that uses a floppy only might be able to use flash |
| 05:28.05 | fishhead | we will see |
| 05:28.06 | Duelist | though one that used USB flash drives might not be too bad. |
| 05:28.08 | konfuzed | I can only imagine the horros of a dedicated word processor |
| 05:28.53 | fishhead | kingsley, |
| 05:28.56 | fishhead | konfuzed, |
| 05:28.57 | fishhead | http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_wind.html |
| 05:28.58 | fishhead | goonight |
| 05:29.08 | konfuzed | fishhead: tanks |
| 05:29.19 | fishhead | np |
| 05:29.21 | fishhead | watch |
| 05:29.25 | fishhead | one warning |
| 05:29.27 | fishhead | even hd size NIB magnets from dead hd's |
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| 05:29.31 | fishhead | can pinch skin |
| 05:29.34 | fishhead | the ones he uses can break bones |
| 05:29.35 | fishhead | or kill you |
| 05:29.50 | fishhead | but they defintely pack the most EMF wallop |
| 05:29.50 | cunakya | how do I start the xserver setup again? |
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| 05:30.18 | caphuso | cunakya: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
| 05:30.56 | cunakya | ah xserver-xfree86 was it. I knew it once but forgot. thanks |
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| 05:32.14 | fishhead | http://www.brother.com/usa/wp/info/dp5040cj/dp5040cj_ove.html <-- this one might defintely be worth hacking for parts if no one wants it, night |
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| 05:33.11 | snoopy | is there a package to play wmv files |
| 05:33.31 | fishhead | tons bro |
| 05:33.39 | fishhead | ask around |
| 05:33.44 | fishhead | I been away from linux too long |
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| 05:33.57 | snoopy | totem keeps givin me a codec error |
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| 05:36.40 | loopdee | does it seem usb multi-function card readers interfere wit husb printer/scanner? |
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| 05:36.57 | foo | How would I go about having ssh not authenticate for certain IP addresses? |
| 05:38.57 | konfuzed | im so happy my gigabit lan came back to life |
| 05:39.17 | fishhead | THIS GUY IS AWESOME HE PUT UP HIS OLD TV SERIES "THE SECRET LIFE OF MACHINES" UP ON BITTORRENT, MAKE SURE YOU EMAIL THE GUY THANKING HIM!!!!! THIS SHOW WAS THE SHIT!!!!! |
| 05:39.43 | konfuzed | which guy is this |
| 05:39.55 | fishhead | http://www.timhunkin.com/index.htm |
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| 05:40.17 | EdLin | fishhead: unless it's "the secret life of Debian" you're spamming |
| 05:40.22 | cheal | !tell snoopy about wm |
| 05:40.23 | cheal | !tell snoopy about wmv |
| 05:40.27 | fishhead | sorry |
| 05:40.29 | fishhead | :P |
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| 05:40.41 | fishhead | cheers |
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| 05:40.43 | snoopy | exit |
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| 05:40.52 | konfuzed | fishhead: kewl |
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| 05:41.07 | konfuzed | you're not itm are you? |
| 05:41.18 | konfuzed | Tim i mean |
| 05:41.21 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 05:41.47 | fishhead | well it kinda relates to debian |
| 05:41.51 | fishhead | he goes over computer history |
| 05:41.53 | fishhead | so :P |
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| 05:43.13 | JRtheGoob | if i switch the cables so i have my /boot partition on my second harddrive can i then use my windows boot manager on my first harddrive to boot grub on my second hd |
| 05:43.31 | JRtheGoob | my windows boot manager (after cable swapping) would then be on my first hd |
| 05:44.28 | rafx | JRtheGoob: http://btmgr.webframe.org/ |
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| 05:46.41 | JRtheGoob | rafx, you like this better than windows/grub |
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| 05:47.01 | kingsley | How does one fix "GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference"? |
| 05:47.15 | kingsley | Details are at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1272 |
| 05:47.29 | caphuso | kingsley: by not mixing different releases of debian |
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| 05:48.54 | rafx | JRtheGoob: all i'll say is that it even let me boot from CD on a pc that doesn't have bios support for booting from CD |
| 05:49.24 | Thaiger | uname -r says I have kernel version 2.6.12-1-686, which I got from the testing CD, but I can't find source for it, only kernel-source-2.6.8 where do I get source for my kernel version |
| 05:50.01 | JRtheGoob | Rafx, heh ok. so copy it over my windows mbr? |
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| 05:50.52 | JRtheGoob | ok i see ... so i still need grub. its just a replacement for my windows boot manager |
| 05:51.04 | fishhead | sorry folks it appears the torrent links are dead but since he gave his blessing, I am sure you can find them somewhere |
| 05:51.07 | JRtheGoob | which cant boot grub unless its on the first disk |
| 05:51.42 | rafx | make sure you read the docs--i normally don't but i make an exception for boot manager docs because the cost of not reading can be high |
| 05:51.55 | KingOfNY | sup everyone |
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| 05:56.35 | xevious | ok |
| 05:56.38 | xevious | to switch to udev |
| 05:56.41 | xevious | i've got 2.6.12 |
| 05:56.57 | xevious | remove hotplug and install udev and add it to the rc*.d dirs? |
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| 05:58.43 | fishhead | http://ts.searching.com/torrent/35162/The_Secret_Life_Of_Machines_Series_3 |
| 05:59.08 | fishhead | http://ts.searching.com/torrent/35161/The_Secret_Life_Of_Machines_Series_2 |
| 05:59.29 | caphuso | fishhead: stop that |
| 05:59.36 | fishhead | there is a source since the link I gave earlier was broken, I am done spamming now :P |
| 05:59.49 | JRtheGoob | do i need an initrd if my root fs is ext3 |
| 05:59.58 | fishhead | yes mam |
| 06:00.03 | JRtheGoob | or can i just compile ext3 filesystems straight into my kernel |
| 06:00.15 | caphuso | JRtheGoob: you can |
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| 06:00.36 | JRtheGoob | caphuso, so if i compile straight into the kernel i dont need the ramdisk thing.. i wonder why its not working |
| 06:00.41 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 06:00.54 | caphuso | JRtheGoob: because you don't know how to configure your kernel properly? |
| 06:00.58 | FarrisG | what's the vim syntax for removing all lines in a file that begin with a given string? |
| 06:01.34 | caphuso | FarrisG: :g/string/d |
| 06:02.58 | JRtheGoob | caphuso, probably i was jsut ruling out the missing initrd |
| 06:03.03 | FarrisG | caphuso: Thanks... Thought it was more complicated then that |
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| 06:05.59 | xevious | what number in the boot order should udev be? (update-rc.d udev 00?) |
| 06:06.13 | Thaiger | I found the source to my kernel and extracted it but when I do a make menuconfig I get a whole bunch of errors about sprintf and stderr (stderr undeclared please use this function first), but I have gcc and libc6 and all that. What more do I need? |
| 06:06.21 | caphuso | xevious: don't fuck with the udev init links |
| 06:06.26 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 06:06.34 | xevious | caphuso: it's not in any of the rc*.d directories |
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| 06:06.53 | caphuso | xevious: then you shouldn't have fucked with them |
| 06:06.56 | xevious | caphuso: just did apt-get install udev and it's not there |
| 06:07.05 | xevious | no fucking occurred |
| 06:07.22 | lnxCore | how do i redirect the standard output of a background process (which i ran last time i logged with ssh)? |
| 06:08.08 | kapil | xevious: the links are created by udev.postinst by the command update-rc.d udev start 04 S |
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| 06:08.25 | caphuso | xevious: kapil is right. and that means _you_ removed them |
| 06:08.29 | xevious | naw |
| 06:08.33 | xevious | did not |
| 06:08.38 | xevious | let's not make accusations |
| 06:08.49 | xevious | cuz i know the last thing i typed was apt-get install udev |
| 06:09.14 | xevious | and was just checking the rc*.d dirs to make sure before i restarted. nothing udev related is in there |
| 06:09.26 | xevious | <- not a complete idiot |
| 06:09.47 | Sneaky_Bastard | omgz, Xevious! |
| 06:09.51 | Sneaky_Bastard | I used to play that! |
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| 06:09.58 | xevious | :D |
| 06:09.59 | Duelist | Sneaky_Bastard: you wnat something more amazing? |
| 06:10.04 | Duelist | want* |
| 06:10.07 | Duelist | /whois me |
| 06:10.22 | xevious | oooh |
| 06:10.25 | xevious | <- jealous |
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| 06:11.07 | Duelist | I'm behind a firewall named frogger, on a LAN with kangaroo, gauntlet, and mousetrap |
| 06:11.24 | Sneaky_Bastard | :o |
| 06:11.33 | xevious | any way. caphuso. stop incorrectly yelling at me, and just let me know the boot order number for each of the rc*.d directories |
| 06:11.35 | Sneaky_Bastard | "Elf is about to die!!" |
| 06:11.41 | Sneaky_Bastard | "Valkrie needs food badly!" |
| 06:11.46 | xevious | so i can fix the installation that didn't finish correctly |
| 06:11.47 | Duelist | "Green monitor is about to die" |
| 06:11.49 | caphuso | xevious: no, you tell us the whole truth |
| 06:11.55 | xevious | god damn |
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| 06:12.09 | xevious | do you want to see my screen log? |
| 06:12.25 | caphuso | xevious: you're either not looking properly or you ignored the error message you got prior to or while dpkg was running the postinst script |
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| 06:12.44 | caphuso | xevious: besides, you've already been told what you asked for |
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| 06:13.06 | xevious | where can i paste this? |
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| 06:13.21 | caphuso | xevious: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 06:14.38 | xevious | caphuso: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1273 |
| 06:14.41 | xevious | there you go |
| 06:14.56 | xevious | <- not a retard |
| 06:15.04 | xevious | it didn't install right |
| 06:15.13 | caphuso | xevious: good. now run "ls /etc/rc?.d/*udev*" and say "sorry, caphuso, i am a retard" |
| 06:16.01 | xevious | :D |
| 06:16.04 | xevious | sorry caphuso, i am a retard |
| 06:16.08 | xevious | except no |
| 06:16.18 | xevious | i'm just new to udev |
| 06:16.39 | Eclipser | !udev |
| 06:16.40 | dpkg | [udev] at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 06:16.53 | xevious | and i must say, you very quickly get hostile, caphuso |
| 06:17.19 | Eclipser | xevious, it gets in the character after spending some time in this channel helping the newbies |
| 06:17.19 | caphuso | next time you have a problem you obviously don't understand, listen to advise and do not insist that your solution is the correct one |
| 06:17.43 | xevious | (advice) |
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| 06:18.37 | Eclipser | xevious, both are correct writing... |
| 06:19.06 | xevious | advise is a verb |
| 06:19.08 | Eclipser | actually well there's a slight difference :p |
| 06:19.14 | Eclipser | irrelevant |
| 06:19.22 | Eclipser | human languages are retarded anyway |
| 06:19.30 | xevious | heh |
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| 06:19.37 | xevious | communication is retarded |
| 06:19.38 | xevious | yeah |
| 06:19.48 | xevious | who needs it |
| 06:19.52 | xevious | let's talk to computers all the time |
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| 06:20.35 | JT | Eclipser: advice is the correct form in that example |
| 06:20.39 | JT | they can't be both correct |
| 06:20.54 | rking | computers are way less forgiving about mixing up stuff like that. |
| 06:20.55 | Eclipser | yes I know but it does not matter, really |
| 06:20.59 | bucky | my udev works |
| 06:21.07 | JT | of course it matters |
| 06:21.09 | Eclipser | bucky, I'm shocked |
| 06:21.10 | hanasaki | what dou all recommend for audio/video and a cam for debian and gnomemeetnig? |
| 06:21.11 | rking | Eclipser: then comes the meta-argument, does it matter to say it doesn't matter? |
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| 06:21.21 | JT | otherwise why not type any shit you want and see if others understand? |
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| 06:22.22 | bucky | doesn't your chat client have spel check |
| 06:22.37 | M_Cheevy | doesn't yours? |
| 06:22.45 | bucky | mine doesn't |
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| 06:22.56 | M_Cheevy | I can see you don't have a "spel" check |
| 06:23.20 | bucky | i have mod_speling |
| 06:23.20 | xevious | there was an article linked on slashdot several months back. apparently bad spelling and punctuation in emails caused enough confusion last year that it cost businesses some huge amount of money. something on the order of $60 million dollars |
| 06:23.31 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 06:23.45 | bucky | M_Cheevy, get your bootsplash working? |
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| 06:24.12 | bucky | xevious, on the tokyo stock exchange |
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| 06:24.27 | xevious | bucky: that was more recent. |
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| 06:24.30 | xevious | like last week |
| 06:24.46 | xevious | i'm searching for the article i'm talking about |
| 06:24.49 | xevious | it was funny |
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| 06:30.31 | xevious | bah |
| 06:30.39 | xevious | too lazy |
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| 06:35.39 | xevious | i have to say. it's been years since i used debian |
| 06:35.47 | xevious | aptitude is a huge improvement over dselect |
| 06:36.07 | xevious | synaptic needs some work |
| 06:36.26 | xevious | apt-get is the same of course |
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| 06:36.31 | ink|laptop | hello all |
| 06:36.43 | ink|laptop | i've just installed deb from a sarge cd, went fine |
| 06:36.52 | xevious | congrats |
| 06:36.53 | ink|laptop | went to upgrade the kernel using a deb image |
| 06:37.05 | ink|laptop | 2.6.14-2-386, specifically |
| 06:37.14 | ink|laptop | and it's telling me that /dev/hda1 doesn't exist |
| 06:37.30 | ink|laptop | but the 2.4 kernel that installed with the OS seems to have no trouble finding it |
| 06:37.30 | Duelist | xevious: synaptic really needs to be just a GUI front end to aptitude |
| 06:37.42 | Duelist | I don't see the point in making synaptic an entirely different codebase |
| 06:37.47 | xevious | yeah |
| 06:37.48 | xevious | i agree |
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| 06:37.54 | xevious | its layout is a little odd |
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| 06:37.57 | jm_ | if it's SATA disk, then it's possible it's sda if libata is handling it |
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| 06:38.09 | ink|laptop | jm_: they're both eide disks |
| 06:38.11 | ink|laptop | wait |
| 06:38.13 | ink|laptop | sorry |
| 06:38.22 | ink|laptop | *it* is an eide disk :) |
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| 06:39.43 | ink|laptop | actually, to be honest, i don't even really care about being able to upgrade the kernel - this whole thing stemmed from my inability to mount an nfs share on this box from my mac |
| 06:39.51 | ink|laptop | i can mount it and read it, just not write to it |
| 06:40.05 | ink|laptop | and i'm starting to think it has something to do with the userid mappings |
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| 06:41.18 | ink|laptop | is there a way to create an nfs share without editing /etc/exports? (one that can be performed as a non-root user) |
| 06:41.25 | jm_ | no |
| 06:41.32 | ink|laptop | ok, didn't think so |
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| 06:42.24 | ink|laptop | detaching - thanks for the help |
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| 06:43.41 | fishhead | the bad news is the halogen bulb for my fiber optic xmas tree died :( the good news is the make a multiple white led drop in replacement for $9 HEHEHEHEHE :) |
| 06:44.09 | jm_ | what the hell is a fiber optic tree? |
| 06:45.15 | Duelist | jm_: tree of a bunch of fiber optic things, with a bulb in the middle to light them up. |
| 06:45.17 | Duelist | I guess? |
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| 06:45.46 | jm_ | let's see if google can find something |
| 06:46.35 | jm_ | lots of them ;) |
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| 06:57.42 | yearnx | Hello everybody?\ |
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| 06:58.21 | xevious | detaching. |
| 06:58.24 | xevious | goodnight |
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| 06:59.26 | yearnx | Hi xevious |
| 07:00.05 | sshock | yaernx, you don't have to wait for someone to say hi; just ask your question |
| 07:00.30 | yearnx | I just play with somebody .sorry |
| 07:00.48 | yearnx | I have not any question. |
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| 07:22.06 | dondelelcaro | n/whois paravoid |
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| 07:25.42 | Wookie | golly |
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| 07:28.40 | Wookie | penix |
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| 07:31.06 | Wookie | ice_1963 |
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| 07:31.40 | ice_1963 | hello |
| 07:31.40 | Wookie | simonraven: hello all, i'm trying to 'reset' the drive gives a program ruby seems to hide them |
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| 07:32.29 | SimonRaven | Wookie: don't do that. we might be busy you know |
| 07:32.29 | Wookie | all operators are busy device |
| 07:32.49 | SimonRaven | consider yourself /ignored |
| 07:32.50 | Wookie | fuzz_: consider unix systems |
| 07:33.49 | ix | consider yourself... /downsized/. |
| 07:33.49 | Wookie | can you might consider when you need to the group b :) |
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| 07:34.53 | Gnea | Wookie: problem? |
| 07:34.53 | Wookie | omp: whats ur problem? |
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| 07:35.12 | Wookie | tengulre |
| 07:35.50 | ice_1963 | hmm |
| 07:35.50 | Wookie | qt2, hmm , i just know .. |
| 07:35.50 | Gnea | Wookie: no need to greet everyone who enters |
| 07:35.51 | Wookie | thx everyone i would cost a ton of the cost businesses some huge amount of all, make sure i like it |
| 07:35.51 | Duelist | what's an ur problem? |
| 07:35.51 | Wookie | omp: whats ur huckleberry |
| 07:36.00 | Duelist | yeah, what the fuck *is* an ur problem anyway? |
| 07:36.00 | Wookie | you mean a snail eat anyway? |
| 07:36.20 | Gnea | !troll Wookie |
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| 07:40.52 | Thaiger | I found the source to my kernel and extracted it but when I do a make menuconfig I get a whole bunch of errors about sprintf and stderr (stderr undeclared please use this function first), but I have gcc and libc6 and all that. What more do I need? |
| 07:40.52 | Wookie | how would you use sprintf and stderr stderr undeclared here using sftp or use mc and feel like digging a 50 long has the latest version |
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| 07:42.39 | lamuchachavirtua | hello I have a few questions about using debian after installation |
| 07:42.39 | Wookie | someone's solving one of those questions during install i did you use sudo? |
| 07:43.03 | Thaiger | lamuchachavirtua: If you have a question just go ahead and ask |
| 07:43.08 | jm_ | please ban Wookie, it's a bot |
| 07:43.13 | bob2 | yeah, I'm trying |
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| 07:43.18 | bob2 | hm |
| 07:43.18 | lamuchachavirtua | alright, sorry. |
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| 07:43.23 | jm_ | Thaiger: did you install what dpkg says in "/msg dpkg menuconfig" ? |
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| 07:43.26 | jm_ | thanks |
| 07:43.57 | lamuchachavirtua | How do I get the graphical user interface running on debian after I have installed the os? I have tried numerous times and have read a decent number of help pages but all to no avail.. |
| 07:44.17 | Thaiger | jm_: No, didn't check that yet, I'll see what it says, thanks |
| 07:44.20 | cheal | lamuchachavirtua: did you install X? |
| 07:44.25 | Thaiger | lamuchachavirtua: did you try apt-get install xserver-xfree86? |
| 07:45.21 | Gnea | lamuchachavirtua: what method did you use to install the system, and did it ask you what GUI you wanted installed? |
| 07:45.24 | lamuchachavirtua | i'm afraid not......i downloaded the first debian r10a cd and used apt-get to get the packages for a desktop environment and i thought that meant that i would get some type of gi |
| 07:45.25 | ice_1963 | :0) |
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| 07:45.51 | cheal | lamuchachavirtua: desktop environment should provide that |
| 07:45.55 | Gnea | lamuchachavirtua: it's a bit more complicated than that - do you recall what packages you installed? |
| 07:46.10 | lamuchachavirtua | i've tried commands like 'startx' at the login prompt (after login but that doesn't do anything) |
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| 07:46.45 | Gnea | lamuchachavirtua: did you install x-window-system-core? |
| 07:46.53 | lamuchachavirtua | well, i installed everything on the initial .iso cd I downloaded and then i just downloaded the desktop environment packages although i don't know what they are |
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| 07:47.05 | lamuchachavirtua | i did install the packages for an x86 system which is what i have |
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| 07:47.23 | Thaiger | jm_: Thanks that did it! |
| 07:47.27 | Gnea | lamuchachavirtua: let's start - apt-get install x-window-system-core <-- does that install anything? |
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| 07:48.31 | lamuchachavirtua | well, right now i am running on knoppix 4.02 which is a live-cd so i cant' do this live....i also got frustrated and deleted debian from my hd so all i have is a knoppix hd installation, my windows xp system, and of course, this live-cd |
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| 07:48.58 | Gnea | well, then it's up to you |
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| 07:49.32 | lamuchachavirtua | but i REALLY appreciate your help and am going to use the command you suggested + will re-install debian keeping that in mind. |
| 07:49.36 | Gnea | knoppix is ok if you want something up and running fast |
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| 07:49.47 | Gnea | just keep in mind ... |
| 07:49.49 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 07:49.49 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 07:49.59 | lamuchachavirtua | true but the hd install is rather quirky and everything runs wonderfully......but i have no sound. :( |
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| 07:50.12 | Gnea | lamuchachavirtua: good luck with that |
| 07:50.18 | ElllisD | how can i rename a directory from the command line? |
| 07:50.26 | Gnea | mv dir1 dir2 |
| 07:50.30 | streuner | lamuchachavirtua: so why not just install debian? |
| 07:50.44 | Gnea | streuner: s/he already stated why |
| 07:51.03 | lamuchachavirtua | i understand that knoppix is not debian.....when i did the knoppix hd install, i chose a debian like-system. initially, i had 3 os' on my hd. i had windows xp, knoppix, and debian (the actual debian distro from www.debian.org) |
| 07:51.04 | streuner | hm, just switched here... |
| 07:51.26 | Gnea | fun |
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| 07:51.54 | lamuchachavirtua | i'm not requesting help for knoppix, as i already know how to work it......i was requesting help for debian....which was an os that i had installed on my hard drive but deleted due to frustration but will not reinstall |
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| 07:52.07 | Gnea | right, we already took care of that |
| 07:52.08 | lamuchachavirtua | i mean WILL reinstall...sorry |
| 07:52.14 | Gnea | the ball's in your court :) |
| 07:52.37 | ice_1963 | pl |
| 07:52.43 | Gnea | !pl |
| 07:52.43 | dpkg | pl is probably sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 07:52.55 | ElllisD | how can i rename a directory that has spaces in its name from the command line? |
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| 07:53.12 | jm_ | ElllisD: learn about using Unix shells |
| 07:53.16 | Gnea | ElllisD: mv dir\ name dir_name |
| 07:53.23 | ElllisD | ty |
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| 07:53.49 | Gnea | !tell elllisd about newbie-guide |
| 07:54.02 | lamuchachavirtua | you guys are wonderful.....thanks a million for all your help.....will now run off and do the debian install job...wish me luck... :) If i run into problems, i'll be back.....:) |
| 07:54.15 | Gnea | sounds good |
| 07:54.36 | Gnea | and you're welcome :) |
| 07:54.41 | tarzeau | odine: super, you should'nt have told my name |
| 07:54.58 | tarzeau | odine: not you, but odla |
| 07:55.00 | lamuchachavirtua | ta ta for now! |
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| 07:56.54 | fenrir | How do I get battery info for my laptop? I tried xbatt and such but it can't find /proc/apm I have acpi though, and I installed apmd, but still no luck |
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| 07:57.21 | sshock | fenrir, if your kernel has acpi, you can try this: |
| 07:57.23 | litage | what's the difference between the libssl* and openssl packages? |
| 07:57.33 | takeshipwnedyou | hey...REALLY stupid newbie problem....i've downloaded a .deb file and when i double-click it, it just opens in ARK...which is not what should happen, is it? do i need to run a script on it or anything? |
| 07:57.39 | sshock | cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info |
| 07:57.54 | Gnea | fenrir: apm != acpi - try modprobe battery |
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| 07:58.05 | litage | takeshipwnedyou: open up a console and type ``dpkg -i FILE.deb'' |
| 07:58.06 | sshock | Sorry, I mean cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state |
| 07:58.07 | streuner | takeshipwnedyou: where did you download that from? |
| 07:58.11 | litage | takeshipwnedyou: (as root, or with sudo) |
| 07:58.19 | Gnea | takeshipwnedyou: open a terminal and, as root, dpkg -i file.deb |
| 07:58.31 | takeshipwnedyou | thanks |
| 07:58.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:58.34 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:58.47 | bob2 | ion3 is so hot |
| 07:58.54 | streuner | tarzeau: did you ask somebody? |
| 07:58.55 | fenrir | Gnea: OK, modprobe battery worked, but still no xbatt |
| 07:59.00 | tarzeau | streuner: about what? |
| 07:59.05 | Gnea | fenrir: not sure what it's trying to read |
| 07:59.10 | streuner | tarzeau: "popcon" |
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| 07:59.21 | tarzeau | streuner: ask him what about it? |
| 07:59.31 | tarzeau | bob2: wow haven't seen you for a while... |
| 07:59.41 | fenrir | Gnea: It seems like all the battery programs (xbatt, xbattbar) want /proc/apm |
| 07:59.53 | streuner | tarzeau: you randomly just hit "!popcon", why? |
| 07:59.57 | sshock | Gnea, try my suggestion; sure it is just command-line, but it works |
| 08:00.20 | tarzeau | streuner: yes i do, so people who have the click-every-url syndrome click it and take part on it |
| 08:00.35 | tarzeau | streuner: does it bother you? |
| 08:00.43 | Gnea | sshock: on mine it's BAT1, weird |
| 08:00.57 | sshock | Gnea, interesting... |
| 08:01.03 | takeshipwnedyou | oh right, no..i'm an idiot...i downloaded the alpha architecture, not the i386...foolish. |
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| 08:01.10 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.10 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.10 | takeshipwnedyou | thanks guys |
| 08:01.15 | sshock | fenrir: if you must have a gui program, I think wmacpi will do what you are looking for |
| 08:01.18 | Gnea | so it says it only uses APM |
| 08:01.24 | Gnea | fenrir: find another program |
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| 08:01.59 | fenrir | Gnea: Do you know of another one? |
| 08:02.08 | sshock | fenrir, wmacpi will work with acpi |
| 08:02.12 | jm_ | !tell fenrir -about search |
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| 08:02.15 | sshock | and it shows battery status |
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| 08:03.29 | streuner | tarzeau: sure, iam wondering about ... :-) |
| 08:03.49 | fenrir | sshock: Cool, thanks |
| 08:03.55 | tarzeau | streuner: have you installed it? |
| 08:03.58 | sshock | fenrir: you're welcome |
| 08:04.09 | tarzeau | streuner: it's very near to 10000 |
| 08:06.19 | tarzeau | !patents |
| 08:06.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, patents is the devils work and you can quote me on that., or patent search at http://www.patents.ibm.com/, or http://www.uspto.gov, or http://www.european-patent-office.org and http://www.jpo.go.jp/ |
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| 08:10.57 | Diazepam | greetings all |
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| 08:23.46 | liran | is there an snmp server for linux? |
| 08:24.25 | tarzeau | liran: yes |
| 08:24.32 | sshock | apt-cache search snmp |
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| 08:27.07 | liran | ahh i see it, snmpd |
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| 08:27.48 | Ethics | how do i look up why k3b isnt in testing atm? can never remembeer the site |
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| 08:29.28 | jm_ | Ethics: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
| 08:29.40 | SimonRaven | !tell Ethics about why k3b isn't in testing |
| 08:29.47 | SimonRaven | meh, sorry |
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| 08:30.45 | sep | Ethics, place a bookmark :) |
| 08:31.12 | Ethics | thanks all ill try to do better hehehe |
| 08:32.12 | SimonRaven | liran: you'll want net-snmp. it's the maintained one |
| 08:33.09 | SimonRaven | the older one is in maintenance mode IIRC |
| 08:33.22 | liran | i see |
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| 08:35.17 | dj_jhor | i can't install sid in a amd64 box |
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| 08:38.07 | douglas | says who |
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| 08:38.10 | douglas | besides everyone |
| 08:38.31 | douglas | gotta do what your heart tells you, dj_jhor |
| 08:38.37 | douglas | that's the essence of Debian |
| 08:39.01 | douglas | Will Sid work on an amd64 box? Not with that attitude. |
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| 08:42.03 | dj_jhor | can't install sid in a amd64 box |
| 08:42.13 | liran | i've installed everything |
| 08:42.17 | liran | still no snmpwalk, werid |
| 08:42.18 | vega- | dj_jhor: so? |
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| 08:42.51 | dj_jhor | the installer can't recognize my SATA, it says it can't find any hd |
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| 08:43.55 | chino2 | my ftp server doens't seem to allow my one user who is part of the users group to login but allowed another user who had his own group... |
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| 08:46.01 | chino2 | big problems here |
| 08:46.04 | chino2 | i cant connect via ftp |
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| 08:46.48 | liran | ahh found it, its the snmp package |
| 08:48.10 | sep | chino2, and your logs say what ? |
| 08:49.05 | chino2 | sep: where does it log too ? |
| 08:49.08 | chino2 | proftpd ? |
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| 08:50.01 | vega- | chino2: maybe you should read a bit more basic docs if you don't even know where it logs to |
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| 08:50.11 | chino2 | looks like syslog |
| 08:50.11 | sep | chino2, just look in /var/logs im sure youll see something |
| 08:50.34 | sep | chino2, i dont know proftpd but if it dosnt log to it's own files i'd bet on daemon.log |
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| 08:52.32 | liran | has anyone had experience with getting ipsec roadwarrior config to work on debian 2.4? |
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| 08:53.32 | trend | hello! |
| 08:53.37 | sep | liran, you must use ipsec ? i think openvpn would be more suited today |
| 08:53.56 | trend | what exacully is the SshHostKey? I have heard it said that is is also called "rs2 key fingerprint" |
| 08:54.14 | trend | it isn't the public/private key of the ssh server is it?.. i would assume no |
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| 08:55.16 | npx | Gentlemen, I have news of the utmost importance. Kiera Knightly shows her tits in Domino. |
| 08:55.20 | dj_jhor | i got a compaq presario SR1639 (amd64, 2 x 160 Gbytes SATA disks). I've tried to install the netinstall of sid for amd64. The installer tells that he can't find any disks, so he offers me to select a driver in order to detect my disks. If I use the sata_sil driver, the installation process goes on as if everything was ok, but when the installlation process finish rebooting my pc, the kernel just panics |
| 08:55.23 | npx | I'm serious. Full frontal. |
| 08:55.56 | Baloo | npx: URL to screenshot? |
| 08:55.57 | jk_work | dj_jhor: I have a static module in my home machine. Unfortunately, it's |
| 08:55.58 | jk_work | offline |
| 08:56.07 | jk_work | so I can't check which one. |
| 08:56.13 | Ethics | npx...shrug www.google.com keira knightleys tits!! |
| 08:56.20 | sep | trend, i would assume yes, since it's the key to identify the host(in essence the ssh server) |
| 08:56.23 | Flimzy | What must I do to get programs to look in /usr/local/lib/ for the libs they need? |
| 08:56.40 | npx | baloo are you that crazy german from efnet? |
| 08:56.50 | jm_ | Flimzy: edit /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 08:56.57 | Baloo | npx: No, I'm the guy everybody reads about on http://bash.borked.us |
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| 08:57.06 | Flimzy | jm_: It's not bad(tm) to manually edit that file? |
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| 08:57.09 | Baloo | npx: I'm also highly rated on Bash.org |
| 08:57.12 | jm_ | Flimzy: no |
| 08:57.19 | Flimzy | okay, cool. simple enought |
| 08:57.19 | Flimzy | thanks |
| 08:57.25 | jm_ | then run ldconfig |
| 08:57.30 | npx | baloo ahh, well I for one feel strongly that your chat is subpar |
| 08:57.32 | Flimzy | cool |
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| 08:58.04 | sep | npx, spoiler alert !! dont read imdb's page on her. !! |
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| 08:58.19 | Ethics | how to rename a folder from command line.... |
| 08:58.27 | sep | Ethics, man mv |
| 08:58.42 | Ethics | sep kk i didnt think rename would do it hehe |
| 08:58.48 | npx | sep, what am I looking for? |
| 08:58.51 | npx | I'm not seeing any boobs |
| 08:59.13 | dj_jhor | which options do I have if the sid debian installer can't find my disks? |
| 08:59.19 | sep | npx, i said spoiler alert, i didn't say antyhing abotu boobs. |
| 08:59.29 | sep | hehehe |
| 08:59.41 | npx | well sonofabitch you should've said (NO BOOBS) |
| 08:59.43 | npx | or some such |
| 08:59.46 | sep | dj_jhor, depends, but i'd first identify why it didnt find them. |
| 08:59.55 | sep | hahaha |
| 09:00.05 | jm_ | dj_jhor: try a newer kernel, i.e. 2.6.14 Sarge installer, however that one panics on one of the machines here |
| 09:00.24 | sep | dj_jhor, often if you have sata drivers you may do some bios trickery. or a newerkernel if you have a ich6/7 chipset |
| 09:00.37 | jm_ | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:00.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 09:01.06 | sep | jm_, grmbles why didt i know of thatone 3 weeks ago :) |
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| 09:01.49 | jm_ | sep: it worked fine for me, but it panics on boot when udev starts, and if I build my own kernel, it sorta works, except for udev which complains about creatinf netlink socket |
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| 09:02.24 | sep | jm_, i wanted sarge. but never managed to install it so i ended up on an etch/sid mix. |
| 09:02.51 | sep | jm_, but i think ill keep it that way. might be nice to learn a bit more about how to handle packaging issues. |
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| 09:03.08 | sep | ich7 is a pain imho |
| 09:03.13 | SimonRaven | you'll learn soon enough ;) |
| 09:03.29 | jm_ | sep: I installed it for some feller here, and I have a feeling I'll have to upgrade to Etch too because of i810 on-board crap |
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| 09:03.32 | SimonRaven | esp. with etch sid mix |
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| 09:04.09 | PDani_ | hi |
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| 09:04.14 | sep | jm_, yes, i avoided that iussue with a pci nic and giving away the speakers.. |
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| 09:04.44 | PDani_ | can i somehow mount as user without the fstab user mount-option? |
| 09:04.53 | sep | PDani_, sudo |
| 09:04.57 | SimonRaven | -o |
| 09:05.03 | jm_ | smbmount can also be called as user :) |
| 09:05.13 | PDani_ | hm |
| 09:05.24 | PDani_ | and if i give suid root to mount and umount? |
| 09:05.37 | caphuso | PDani_: ls -l /bin/mount |
| 09:05.38 | sep | PDani_, then you need medication |
| 09:05.40 | loxley_ | PDani_: not recommended |
| 09:05.53 | caphuso | loxley_: you too, ls -l /bin/mount |
| 09:06.11 | loxley_ | caphuso: damn |
| 09:06.14 | loxley_ | caphuso: it is! |
| 09:06.19 | caphuso | loxley_: obviously |
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| 09:06.28 | PDani_ | i know, it's no recommended, but it's necessary :) |
| 09:06.53 | jm_ | mount makes internal checks anyway |
| 09:07.09 | jm_ | so it won't help you |
| 09:07.16 | sep | PDani_, why can't you use sudo ? |
| 09:07.20 | SimonRaven | mount++ |
| 09:07.21 | PDani_ | hm |
| 09:07.47 | PDani_ | is there a way with sudo, when i don't need to type in the password of user |
| 09:07.48 | PDani_ | ? |
| 09:08.00 | jm_ | yes |
| 09:08.08 | sep | PDani_, yes man sudoers |
| 09:08.11 | PDani_ | thx |
| 09:08.24 | bibe | PDani_ : NOPASSWD, but read the whole man page |
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| 09:09.09 | loxley_ | caphuso: maybe one should do chmod -s /bin/mount |
| 09:09.17 | caphuso | loxley_: maybe one should not |
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| 09:09.23 | sep | wild guess ati ES1000 is not supported in sarge ? |
| 09:09.31 | caphuso | loxley_: what would be the point? |
| 09:09.36 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 09:10.01 | loxley_ | caphuso: no point :) |
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| 09:15.11 | Deffie | Hi all, i'm having a problem with php4-gd on debian sarge, this is the error that i get: PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromGif in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 09:23.18 | loca|host | hello ll |
| 09:23.20 | loca|host | all |
| 09:23.20 | djp | i want to add a new user on our home PC. what is the difference between adduser and useradd? |
| 09:23.42 | loca|host | djp, use man |
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| 09:24.00 | djp | loca|host, thanks |
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| 09:24.08 | loca|host | how can i use a windows shared printer on my lan (having debian sarge 3.1) |
| 09:24.15 | loca|host | djp, np |
| 09:25.26 | jm_ | Samba docs explain how to use that |
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| 09:26.25 | loca|host | jm_, u have a good link ? |
| 09:26.35 | jm_ | loca|host: www.samba.org |
| 09:26.48 | hebfftijd | is there a way to rip wmv files into mpeg |
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| 09:27.47 | stouset | Mornin' |
| 09:28.06 | jm_ | hebfftijd: you can convert them, yes |
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| 09:28.26 | hebfftijd | how jm_ |
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| 09:28.38 | jm_ | hebfftijd: mencoder, transcode |
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| 09:31.28 | merlino | does anyone know if kubuntu has a gui-firewall control? if not, how would I go about allowing 8000? |
| 09:31.53 | Phated | #kubuntu? |
| 09:32.19 | merlino | tried it... no one there knows |
| 09:32.40 | jm_ | we don't know either |
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| 09:33.12 | merlino | i know you can use iptables... but can anyone tell me the command I would input to allow port 8000 over tcp? |
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| 09:33.31 | SlayerXP | merlino: "man iptables" |
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| 09:33.54 | merlino | SlayerXP: tried it, lost me with all the stuff it was saying lol |
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| 09:34.25 | jm_ | merl15: read iptables tutorial |
| 09:34.28 | jm_ | merlino ^^^^^^ |
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| 09:34.52 | ade | what are the benefits of using the multiuser workstation partitioning over desktop machine during installation? |
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| 09:35.33 | jm_ | maybe it creates several partitions for you, i.e. / /usr /var - installation manual should have a word or two about it |
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| 09:36.16 | mateusz | Hi pbuilder create --distribution sid --debug --logfile pbuilder.log and I get |
| 09:36.16 | mateusz | readlink: Need exactly one argument. |
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| 09:36.52 | mateusz | I cant create base.tgz cause it fails because of that... |
| 09:37.31 | mateusz | I would be great if someone could help.. |
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| 09:40.49 | BadKnees | Is there anyone who knows how to disable vga in woody. I've tried vga=normal, deleting all vga things, video=vga16:off but no matter what i try dmesg says: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25. With sarge/grub it was easy to remove, but i cant get it to work with lilo. (and yes i rerun lilo every time) |
| 09:41.11 | PDani_ | hm |
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| 09:42.35 | PDani_ | i have an usb cd-recorder on /dev/scd1, but cdrecord -scanbus says No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 09:43.17 | jm_ | BadKnees: why would you disable VGA and what exactly do you want to do? |
| 09:44.19 | PDani_ | any idea? |
| 09:44.30 | Coweater | anyone know what might cause my cursor keys to be unresponsive in man? |
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| 09:47.21 | BadKnees | jm_, i need to get rid of it because it interferes with my asterisk installation. I causes jitter |
| 09:47.33 | jm_ | BadKnees: get rid of what exactly? |
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| 09:47.48 | BadKnees | the framebuffer, and use text only |
| 09:48.00 | BadKnees | It made a huge difference on my sarge box |
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| 09:48.43 | BadKnees | but on my old woody box i cant figure out how to do it without a recompile |
| 09:49.29 | loca|host | why is postgresql 8.1 demanding a password when i do /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 start |
| 09:49.42 | jm_ | are you sure you've put it in the right section in lilo.conf? |
| 09:50.46 | PDani_ | any idea?? |
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| 09:51.52 | BadKnees | jm_, yes |
| 09:52.14 | jm_ | BadKnees: then it might be you're not using vga16 one |
| 09:52.44 | SimonRaven | PDani_: it means it isn't there... man ls if you don't know how to use ls |
| 09:52.50 | jm_ | you can verify if you put it in the right place by doing cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 09:53.39 | PDani_ | SimonRaven: # ls /dev/pg* |
| 09:53.39 | PDani_ | /dev/pg0 /dev/pg1 /dev/pg2 /dev/pg3 |
| 09:53.47 | PDani_ | it is there, of course |
| 09:53.56 | SimonRaven | then it's something else |
| 09:53.58 | jm_ | bah |
| 09:54.01 | jm_ | !nosuchdevice |
| 09:54.01 | dpkg | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. you are trying to load a hardware driver without that hardware being present |
| 09:54.01 | BadKnees | jm_, hmm the dmesg says vga+ should i maby do a video=vga+:off? |
| 09:54.09 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 09:54.30 | SimonRaven | called 'mindfuck' :P |
| 09:54.44 | jm_ | BadKnees: naah, colour VGA+ 80x25 is a normal entry, it's shown even if kernel doesn't have FB support |
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| 09:56.01 | BadKnees | jm_, ok, then how do i know if fb is on or off? I do not have physical access |
| 09:56.12 | SimonRaven | cat /proc/fb |
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| 09:57.02 | SimonRaven | PDani_: sg modules loaded? you need the scsi modules |
| 09:57.06 | merlino | okay got past that, the problem is ice cast is saying that it cannot bind to socket on port 8000 |
| 09:57.14 | SimonRaven | sg is scsi generic |
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| 09:57.34 | SimonRaven | check if something is already bound there |
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| 09:57.42 | SimonRaven | on that port |
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| 09:57.56 | wizzz | hello |
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| 09:58.15 | wizzz | i need informations on debian install and sata DD |
| 09:58.20 | wizzz | is it possible ? |
| 09:58.41 | azreal | hey gang |
| 09:58.50 | wizzz | i tried with a 3.0 version and the disk wasn't recognized |
| 09:58.57 | SimonRaven | is what possible? |
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| 09:59.14 | bryndza | wizzz have you tried the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 09:59.18 | SimonRaven | wizzz: why are you using a soon to be dead release? |
| 09:59.32 | wizzz | to install a debian a pc with sata disk |
| 09:59.56 | SimonRaven | emphasis on 'soon to be dead' |
| 09:59.56 | wizzz | hmm i use 3.0 because i have the cd in my wallet :) |
| 10:00.03 | azreal | can someone maybe tell me the url i may be looking for, i seemed to have lost, was another kinda like debianplanet.org, but was supposed to be more up to date. |
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| 10:00.20 | wizzz | ok with a recent distribution it should be ok ? |
| 10:00.25 | Fujoor | hello guys, i have asked this question previously, but i never succeded, how do i mount my usb stick? |
| 10:00.28 | lestest | hi there how do I inport a cvs tree from a server to another |
| 10:00.42 | Fujoor | when i mount a cd i write mount /cdrom, but mount /usb doesnt work |
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| 10:00.45 | SimonRaven | wizzz: that doesn't even support h/w from last year, never mind this year |
| 10:00.50 | bryndza | wizzz try running the instalation with linux26 command not just enter |
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| 10:01.19 | SimonRaven | bryndza: um, s/he has to get a 3.1 (sarge) to be even able to do that.... |
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| 10:01.50 | bryndza | SimonRaven i have old 3.0 and the default was 2.4 kernel |
| 10:01.55 | wizzz | bryndza the more recent kernel proposed is 2.4 |
| 10:02.04 | SimonRaven | linux26 doesn't exist in woody |
| 10:02.07 | M_Cheevy | heya folks... |
| 10:02.07 | wizzz | yep |
| 10:02.12 | threat | back |
| 10:02.17 | threat | I didnt miss much did I ? |
| 10:02.27 | BadKnees | jm_, your right it is disabled:) |
| 10:02.44 | wizzz | with kernel 2.6 sata disk are recognized ? |
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| 10:03.00 | SimonRaven | bryndza: apt-get brain-upgrade :P |
| 10:03.02 | Shadur | wizzz: Mine are. |
| 10:03.14 | wizzz | excuse my ignorance, i didn't follow the kernel story since long time |
| 10:03.19 | bryndza | SimonRaven :D i have broken dependencies on that :) |
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| 10:03.25 | wizzz | Shadur ok good news |
| 10:03.25 | pingouin | :) |
| 10:03.32 | SimonRaven | *grin* hehe |
| 10:03.39 | pingouin | nice shoot bryndza |
| 10:03.40 | pingouin | ;) |
| 10:03.51 | bryndza | thanx :) |
| 10:03.58 | jm_ | BadKnees: so what is the problem then? |
| 10:04.13 | M_Cheevy | anyone know what the buzz is with dpkg-reconfigure? can't find it on any of the stable repositories |
| 10:04.15 | bryndza | has someone experience with HTB shaping ? |
| 10:05.09 | bird | who can tell me why mplayer can't fullscreen in OPIE? |
| 10:05.15 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: you dont have it? |
| 10:05.53 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: doesn't appear anywhere in synaptic |
| 10:06.00 | BadKnees | jm_, excactly. jitter problems in asterisk pbx |
| 10:06.11 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: nor does 'ls' |
| 10:06.28 | jm_ | BadKnees: how is that related to Debian in any way? |
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| 10:06.54 | bird | who can tell me why mplayer can't fullscreen in OPIE? |
| 10:06.58 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: well when I use it at the xterm prompt I get "bash; dpkg-reconfigure: command not found" |
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| 10:07.20 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: are you trying to run it as a user? |
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| 10:07.39 | M_Cheevy | valdyn: user and root.. no difference |
| 10:07.39 | wizzz | hmmm well shame on me, but what is the ia64 architecture mean ? |
| 10:08.01 | b14ck | 64 bit |
| 10:08.05 | b14ck | intel |
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| 10:08.16 | valdyn | wizzz: itanium |
| 10:08.24 | valdyn | wizzz: if you have to ask this, you dont have it |
| 10:08.28 | wizzz | yes but it as adapted for a pentium |
| 10:08.30 | wizzz | ok |
| 10:08.31 | jimi | how do i pause during the startup sequence to examine errors?? |
| 10:08.47 | Guerin | jimi: you don't |
| 10:08.48 | valdyn | wizzz: no there's no pentium that supports ia64 |
| 10:09.05 | valdyn | jimi: hitting scroll lock actually works at times |
| 10:09.06 | Guerin | jimi: what doesn't work? |
| 10:09.31 | jimi | Guerin: trying to figure out how i borked my ipw2200 driver |
| 10:09.42 | Guerin | jimi: dmesg should tell you |
| 10:09.50 | Guerin | jimi: as should trying to manually probe the driver |
| 10:10.27 | jimi | Guerin: ok thanks, ill try it when my laptop finishes booting |
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| 10:15.18 | J_P | hi all |
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| 10:17.04 | bird | who can tell me why mplayer can't fullscreen in OPIE? |
| 10:17.27 | Eclipser | OPIE? |
| 10:17.39 | Eclipser | bird, you're probably using vo x11 |
| 10:17.42 | Eclipser | use xv instead |
| 10:18.03 | BadKnees | jm_, none what so ever, now i know that it isent the framebuffer |
| 10:18.47 | bird | Eclipser: what is vo x1,i don't understand |
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| 10:19.07 | Eclipser | bird, try mplayer -vo xv yourvideofile |
| 10:19.20 | Eclipser | (press f to toggle fullscreen) |
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| 10:20.53 | Guerin | xv is the *shit* |
| 10:20.57 | bird | Eclipser: thanks ,let me try a againe |
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| 10:21.27 | bluechild | hi, i'm trying to run a make-jpkg and i get this error message "Testing extracted archive... |
| 10:21.27 | bluechild | Invalid size (131 MB) of extracted archive. Probably you have not |
| 10:21.27 | bluechild | enough free disc space in the temporary directory. Note: You can |
| 10:21.27 | bluechild | specify an alternate directory by setting the environment variable |
| 10:21.27 | bluechild | TMPDIR." |
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| 10:21.37 | Guerin | the mplayer packages at apt.cerkinfo.be come with a debconf widget to allow you to select your default -vo and -ao preferences |
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| 10:21.43 | Guerin | which is also the shit |
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| 10:22.05 | bluechild | sorry for that .. i should have seen it comning :) |
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| 10:23.03 | bluechild | i have tons of free space in my partition. what could that be ? |
| 10:23.09 | c_k | hi guys , can you rememer what it is you need to use to get a NIC working at 100/Full as opposed to 10/Half |
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| 10:24.36 | saik0 | How do I see where a symbolic links points to from the CLI? |
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| 10:25.15 | Guerin | saik0: ls -l |
| 10:25.16 | vega- | saik0: ls ? |
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| 10:25.46 | jm_ | or readlink |
| 10:25.48 | saik0 | Guerin, that only makes sense. |
| 10:25.57 | Guerin | saik0: amazing eh |
| 10:26.06 | Guerin | sometimes the things which make sense really do work |
| 10:26.22 | Deffie | Hi all, i'm having a problem with php4-gd on debian sarge, this is the error that i get: PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromGif in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 10:29.35 | bluechild | has anyone installed the sun jdk ? |
| 10:29.51 | bryndza | bluechild yes |
| 10:29.52 | asfdafa | why so many packages like k3b, blender, kdevelop, cinepaint missing from testing , gcc problems ? |
| 10:29.53 | fireba11_2 | yes, why ? |
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| 10:31.04 | bluechild | bryndza, i try to install the sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb package which prompts me that i need sun-j2sdk1.5debian |
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| 10:31.44 | bluechild | bryndza thugh apt-get doesn't seem to find sun-j2sdk1.5debian and i search in the net and i can't find it .. |
| 10:32.01 | jimi | why is there suddenly every possible device in my /dev folder? eg: there are 168 hd*** entries???? |
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| 10:32.24 | bluechild | bryndza, any clue ? |
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| 10:32.36 | goron | I use GDM, and I have xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults in my .xinitrc, but it seems it doesn't get executed when I login as a user. Where can I put this line such that it does get executed(and preferably only once)? |
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| 10:33.08 | jm_ | GDM honours ~/.xsession if you tell it to use Debian session |
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| 10:33.20 | jimi | any ideas anyone? |
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| 10:33.35 | zcram | no |
| 10:33.36 | fireba11_2 | jimi: what dod you do recently ? :-) |
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| 10:34.09 | jimi | um dist-upgraded to unstable. broke sound and wireless and have been trying to fix |
| 10:34.12 | zcram | it seems that devfs got unmounted somehow? |
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| 10:34.24 | Guerin | jimi: welcome to unstable |
| 10:34.28 | bryndza | bluechild no clue, i just downloaded .bin from java.sun.com and run |
| 10:34.38 | jimi | haha |
| 10:34.46 | Guerin | bryndza: topic |
| 10:34.51 | Guerin | bryndza: topic |
| 10:34.53 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:34.55 | Guerin | brainball: topic |
| 10:35.02 | bluechild | bryndza, nevermind, thanks :) |
| 10:35.04 | Guerin | fuck me |
| 10:35.07 | Guerin | bluechild: topic |
| 10:35.08 | goron | jm_: And how do I tell gdm that? Just from the login menu? |
| 10:35.10 | Guerin | FINALLY |
| 10:35.27 | jm_ | goron: yeah somewhere in the menus IIRC |
| 10:36.19 | bluechild | Does anyone else know where i may find the sun-j2sdk1.5debian.deb ? apt-get doesn't find it ... |
| 10:36.38 | Guerin | bluechild: topic |
| 10:36.56 | bryndza | yah realy read the topic , like me now :) |
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| 10:37.29 | jimi | thou shalt not speak of java |
| 10:37.55 | Guerin | jimi: thou shalt wash out thy mouth with FLOSSoap after |
| 10:38.02 | Coweater | anyone know what might cause my cursor keys to do nothing in man? |
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| 10:38.14 | jimi | ;) |
| 10:38.27 | jm_ | maybe his problem is really in the fact that Debian reads .Xresources ;) |
| 10:38.31 | jm_ | goron ^^^^^^ |
| 10:38.32 | goron | jm_: There's an entry Debian System session, but I am not sure what it does exactly. |
| 10:38.58 | jm_ | goron: it uses Debian session |
| 10:39.07 | valdyn | Coweater: type pager --help |
| 10:39.25 | valdyn | Coweater: or maybe pager --version |
| 10:39.34 | goron | jm_: What file does it read and execute, that's all I need to know. |
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| 10:39.44 | Coweater | neither of those do anything |
| 10:40.02 | Coweater | man pager gives me the page for more |
| 10:40.03 | valdyn | Coweater: uh, you don't have 'pager' ? |
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| 10:40.15 | valdyn | Coweater: no i didnt want you to read a manpage |
| 10:40.16 | Coweater | i suppose i need to change this to less somehow |
| 10:40.31 | valdyn | Coweater: apt-get install less |
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| 10:40.52 | Coweater | there we go, thanks |
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| 10:41.51 | pdani_ | hi |
| 10:42.20 | jm_ | goron: take a look at Xession script, it's trivial to follow |
| 10:42.26 | pdani_ | how can i decide wheter (i.e) /dev/hda is a cd-recorder, or not? |
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| 10:43.14 | valdyn | goron: the debian default system session ( or whatever it is called on whatever *dm ) will read ~/.xsession |
| 10:43.42 | valdyn | goron: and before that ( i guess ) /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 10:44.01 | goron | I guess so. USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession |
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| 10:44.45 | jm_ | yes, but GDM and KDM won't do that unless you tell them to use Debian session |
| 10:45.13 | Ungy | what is the difference between mozilla-firefox and firefox packages? |
| 10:45.21 | valdyn | Ungy: the name |
| 10:45.45 | valdyn | Ungy: the package for firefox is being renamed, that's all |
| 10:45.45 | Ungy | valdyn, ahh same version though? |
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| 10:46.05 | goron | jm_,valdyn: that was it. Thanks |
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| 10:46.20 | valdyn | Ungy: only the first one is made for both i guess, following mozilla-firefox packages will just be 'placeholders' |
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| 10:46.46 | goron | Is this documentation also available as a package? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 10:46.49 | jm_ | goron: you don't need to xrdb things manually either - ln -s ~/.Xdefaults ~/.Xresources |
| 10:46.58 | valdyn | goron: apt-cache search reference |
| 10:47.06 | va | what do i need to install to be able to compile a c program that accesses a mysql db? |
| 10:47.22 | va | i get mysql.h not found |
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| 10:47.31 | valdyn | va: /msg dpkg search |
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| 10:47.43 | Coweater | va: mysql-dev or something to that effect |
| 10:48.03 | Ungy | valdyn thanks I am checking packages on the site trying to find 1.5 for Debian unstable |
| 10:48.44 | va | i cant find anything like that, lots of packages which i'm not sure apply though |
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| 10:49.02 | valdyn | va: no |
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| 10:49.17 | goron | jm_: I don't use symlinks, since they are broken when I make a backup that consists of different part. If there's a way to do better backups, then a symlink indeed is better. |
| 10:49.17 | Ungy | valdyn, and firefox is 1.49 and mozilla-firefox is 1.07 so I got my answer thanks |
| 10:49.34 | va | valdyn: no what? |
| 10:49.36 | juan_ | i have a pc that is crashing all the time, with memory allocation errors, i tested the memory with memtest86 ... it works :( |
| 10:49.42 | valdyn | va: packages may provide something like /usr/include/mysql/mysql.h or /usr/include/someothershit/mysql.h |
| 10:49.53 | valdyn | va: but no two will provide the same file |
| 10:50.22 | valdyn | va: you're probably looking for /usr/include/mysql.h, i dont know |
| 10:50.29 | jm_ | goron: then get acustomed to using .Xresources in Debian |
| 10:50.51 | bryndza | va try look at packages.debian.org |
| 10:51.06 | kapil | va: try a package like libmysqlclient<nn>.dev where <nn> is the mysql version you are using. |
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| 10:51.30 | valdyn | va: apt-file search mysql/mysql.h <- that should be it i guess |
| 10:51.37 | va | apt-file search '\/mysql.h' - is this a correct query? |
| 10:51.51 | valdyn | va: you dont need to backslash the / |
| 10:52.00 | Tuttle_ | I run prepackaged kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 in Sarge. How can I peek at its current source from which it was compiled to my system? |
| 10:52.04 | ambycrao_ | how enable sound to a regular user ? |
| 10:52.13 | va | but then i find /someprogram/someprogram_mysql.h |
| 10:52.15 | valdyn | ambycrao_: adduser <user> audio |
| 10:52.15 | Phated | adduser <user> audio |
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| 10:52.28 | Phated | log out, log in. |
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| 10:53.44 | merlino | hello. is there a better alternative to Icecast for streaming music servers on Debian? |
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| 10:55.05 | va | libmysqlclientXX-dev must be it |
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| 10:56.47 | merlino | anyone? |
| 10:56.53 | netcatc | yes |
| 10:56.54 | goron | jm_: I don't even need the symlink. I am now only using .Xresources |
| 10:58.13 | jm_ | goron: you're a smart cookie :) |
| 10:58.31 | goron | jm_: No, I am asking stupid questions. |
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| 11:07.02 | M_Cheevy | oy gevalt... finally! win2k, winxp, win2k3 and debian sarge, all running from sata raid 0.... all configured and working... |
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| 11:09.27 | SlayerXP | M_Cheevy: and when one disk fails, you get to do it all over again |
| 11:09.42 | liable | HOLA! :P |
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| 11:09.54 | M_Cheevy | SlayerXP: nope... thank the gods for norton ghost ;) |
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| 11:10.18 | ganymed | hello. does anybody know somthing about initng on debian systems? |
| 11:10.34 | SlayerXP | ganymed: yes, someone knows something about initng on debian systems |
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| 11:11.25 | M_Cheevy | now I only need to get my scanner working and I'm home free |
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| 11:14.36 | ganymed | well, i have it running right now, works nicely, but i have to start kdm manually, though it is added to the default runlevel |
| 11:14.47 | ganymed | any ideas why this is so? |
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| 11:15.33 | liable | ganymed: eh? more details. |
| 11:16.24 | ganymed | kdm has been added to the default runlevel, but it doesn't start up automatically.... just a tty |
| 11:16.41 | azeem | how did you add it? |
| 11:16.49 | Deffie | Hi all, i'm having a problem with php4-gd on debian sarge, this is the error that i get: PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromGif in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 11:17.31 | liable | ganymed: have you installed a funky kde version from somewhere? |
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| 11:18.12 | ganymed | no, its kde 3.4 standard |
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| 11:18.41 | ganymed | well, it's the kubuntu version, but in #kubuntu nobody can help me right now.... |
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| 11:18.50 | liable | .... |
| 11:18.55 | liable | bye bye.. |
| 11:18.57 | azeem | ganymed: you could try #ubuntu |
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| 11:19.22 | liable | ganymed: /topic |
| 11:19.39 | liable | ganymed: especially the very last comment! |
| 11:20.09 | bonez39 | I have two hdd, both with debian installed...in same machine..if I boot to the older, smaller hard drive..sound works....but booting to newer hdd..no sound..I ran insmod sb and that loaded several sound modules, seen with lsmod.... |
| 11:20.51 | liable | !fable |
| 11:20.51 | dpkg | [fable] http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 11:20.52 | bonez39 | but still no sound....what's needed to get the sound working? my sound card is a creative vibra16...it clearly works when booting up to older kernel..... |
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| 11:21.36 | azeem | bonez39: what's the version of the older kernel? |
| 11:21.37 | jm_ | SB is a module for ISA cards, it's either in PnP mode and needs PnP support in kernel or you need to pass it appropriate parameters |
| 11:21.51 | bonez39 | azeem, it was 2.6.6 and new is now 2.6.8... |
| 11:22.22 | bonez39 | jm_, at boot time..It shows pnp for the sound card.......... |
| 11:22.41 | bonez39 | I guess it's just confusing since booting with one kernel it works...and with a newer kernel it fails to work.. |
| 11:23.42 | jm_ | bonez39: read kernel's pnp docs and check what is going on - I have used isapnp back in the days, so I'm not familiar with in-kernel functionality |
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| 11:24.34 | bonez39 | jm_, let's say it's a module....do I just go through and modprobe everything showing in the old lsmod list...and then insmod to get those modules loaded into currently running kernel? |
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| 11:24.41 | mrPringle | how come the macromedia plugin wont display text ? |
| 11:25.12 | jm_ | bonez39: no, PnP stuff needs to be sorted out - the thing is though, maybe your card isn't PnP (or it's not running in PnP mode) |
| 11:25.26 | bonez39 | jm_, how do I find out? |
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| 11:25.46 | gryzor | hi. I need help after i lost /var |
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| 11:25.54 | gryzor | i regenerated /var/lib/dpkg |
| 11:26.00 | gryzor | now trying to reinstall all base packages |
| 11:26.02 | gryzor | and i get |
| 11:26.14 | gryzor | "dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support !" |
| 11:26.19 | gryzor | when i dpkg -i on libc6 |
| 11:26.42 | azeem | gryzor: you could look how debootstrap tricks the system into believing dpkg has been properly installed already |
| 11:26.43 | jm_ | bonez39: I have no idea, do you have a manual for it? |
| 11:26.57 | jm_ | bonez39: alternatively, look at how's it configured with older kernel |
| 11:26.57 | azeem | gryzor: but really, losing all of /var is pretty disastrous |
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| 11:27.18 | gryzor | yes it is |
| 11:27.25 | jm_ | there are "documents" abour recovering from loss of /var |
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| 11:27.29 | jm_ | about* |
| 11:27.36 | gryzor | yeah, i read those |
| 11:27.40 | bonez39 | jm_, no manual for the sound card.... |
| 11:27.43 | gryzor | but my problem is unrelated in thos i read |
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| 11:27.52 | mrPringle | all logs are in var, how did you loose youre var gryzor |
| 11:28.43 | mrPringle | was just gone or ? |
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| 11:29.02 | gryzor | i wrote a script that deleted all subdir of some /var subdirs |
| 11:29.09 | gryzor | unfortunately, it also deleted ../ |
| 11:29.11 | gryzor | :-P |
| 11:29.16 | mrPringle | ops |
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| 11:29.56 | DeadZed | What application should I use for mounting hdd partitions (Package that would identify and automount all my partitons and let me unmount them) |
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| 11:30.30 | azeem | DeadZed: gnome-volume-manager does that |
| 11:30.34 | mrPringle | anyone, any idea why the macromedia plugin for linux wont display certen text's and stuff? |
| 11:30.39 | azeem | there is a similar thing for KDE as well, I think |
| 11:30.52 | DeadZed | azeem Thanks |
| 11:31.05 | azeem | DeadZed: or maybe you should just add them to /etc/fstba |
| 11:31.07 | azeem | eh, fstab |
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| 11:31.56 | DeadZed | cannot bother with fstab ... there has to come time when you dont have to edit eveerything manually in linux |
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| 11:32.58 | mrPringle | god damn tv is depressing |
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| 11:33.56 | liable | wow, so typing mount is becoming a chore.. |
| 11:34.02 | ambycrao | how to copy a folder with files to a destination ? |
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| 11:34.18 | mrPringle | cp -r ? |
| 11:34.20 | liable | ambycrao: info cp |
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| 11:34.48 | ambycrao | liable: already read it :/ |
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| 11:35.59 | DeadZed | liable have you ever tried xandros for example ... much simpler than to type mount and create dirs |
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| 11:36.10 | liable | DeadZed: no. |
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| 11:36.39 | DeadZed | Xandros get their own automount package |
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| 11:38.59 | lehmama | is there a runlevel without X in standard debian? |
| 11:39.46 | liable | lehmama: remove ?dm and you wont ave x.. |
| 11:39.53 | liable | *have* |
| 11:39.56 | nulltrics | hi all, i want to install sarge on ibm x460 with serveraid 8i (sas raid), when i boot with linux26, it recognizes serveraid, but not the logical driver, anybody can help me? |
| 11:39.56 | Deffie | Hi all, i'm having a problem with php4-gd on debian sarge, this is the error that i get: PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromGif in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 11:41.36 | lehmama | liable: but X is crashing my system and i need prompt |
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| 11:42.37 | liable | lehmama: so, when it crashes, it doesnt give you a prompt? |
| 11:42.37 | Maulkin | Deffie: When do you get that error? |
| 11:42.47 | jm_ | Deffie: did you check BTS? |
| 11:42.53 | gryzor | ok found it. Copying /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg* from another system fixed my problem |
| 11:42.57 | predius_ | lehmama: boot single user |
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| 11:43.06 | lehmama | yh, so i need a runlevel without X |
| 11:43.16 | liable | lehmama: so, when it crashes, it doesnt give you a prompt? |
| 11:43.20 | Deffie | Maulkin, restarting apache |
| 11:43.30 | Deffie | jm_, bts ? |
| 11:43.37 | lehmama | yh, there is no prompr |
| 11:43.43 | Deffie | jm_, bug tracking ? yes |
| 11:43.44 | jm_ | Deffie: /msg dpkg bts |
| 11:43.45 | bayer | can you recommend any sata controller that works on debian sarge - i tried promise tx4 but failed |
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| 11:43.50 | gryzor | thanks for your help guys |
| 11:43.59 | Deffie | jm_, no luck :| |
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| 11:44.05 | liable | lehmama: ctlr+alt+F! |
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| 11:44.11 | liable | 1.. |
| 11:44.11 | jm_ | bayer: Sarge supports whatever kernel supports |
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| 11:45.11 | El-Presidente | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.20 | jm_ | Deffie: that simbol is not in the library |
| 11:45.23 | jm_ | symbol |
| 11:45.38 | Maulkin | Deffie: It sounds like a version problem with GD. Have you installed anything from source, ro is everything from the Debian archive? |
| 11:45.42 | fireba11 | El-Presidente: you jsut need to tell your php to set correct rights for the folders |
| 11:46.07 | Deffie | uhm |
| 11:46.28 | Deffie | jm_, uhm |
| 11:46.38 | bibe | El-Presidente : I wouldn't grant access to _all_ users, I would consider instead: 1. Running apache and ftp under the same user, or 2. Adding apache and php users to the same group, and using umask 002 |
| 11:46.39 | Deffie | jm_, i tried apt-get install --reinstall php4-gd too |
| 11:46.54 | jm_ | Deffie: hold on |
| 11:47.00 | El-Presidente | okay makes sense, thanks guys |
| 11:47.07 | Deffie | jm_, ill try to erase apt cache |
| 11:47.21 | Maulkin | Deffie: Also, can you make sure you're up to date? (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) |
| 11:47.38 | Deffie | Maulkin, yep it is up to date |
| 11:47.47 | jm_ | Deffie: no that won't help |
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| 11:49.04 | Deffie | jm_, right |
| 11:49.12 | Deffie | jm_, it didnt :) |
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| 11:49.46 | Deffie | jm_, anyway it is getting the package from security.debian.org |
| 11:49.51 | Maulkin | Deffie: Basically, gif support was removed from gd. I think that there's something sill referencing it somewhere. |
| 11:49.54 | Maulkin | Ahh, ok... |
| 11:50.02 | El-Presidente | how can I find out what use apache is using? |
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| 11:50.17 | jm_ | Deffie: tried installing libgd-gif1? |
| 11:50.31 | Maulkin | Deffie: Is it getting php4-gd from security.debian.org? |
| 11:50.38 | Deffie | jm_, yes but i can do it again and see |
| 11:50.42 | Deffie | jm_, Maulkin yes |
| 11:50.47 | Deffie | ops :) |
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| 11:50.50 | Deffie | Maulkin, yes |
| 11:50.55 | jm_ | Deffie: that files has the afore mentioned symbol |
| 11:51.17 | M_Cheevy | well, for all you folks who helped me with my various problems... mucho thanks... it's up and running. booting on sata raid 0, nvidia dualview under X, bootsplash, seeing all winblows partitions, sound, scanner, the works... now if I can just get the monitors aligned under X |
| 11:51.57 | Deffie | jm_, no luck |
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| 11:52.19 | pdani_ | hi |
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| 11:52.43 | Deffie | jm_, but it gets libgd-gif1 from ftp.debian.org and php4-gd from debian security |
| 11:52.45 | pdani_ | i installed a bind9 (with default configuration) |
| 11:53.44 | pdani_ | what's the simpliest way to add local domains to it? (for example, 192.168.2.1 is the "appsrv") |
| 11:53.55 | jm_ | Deffie: yeah, no security update for libgd-gif1 |
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| 11:55.16 | pdani_ | ? |
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| 11:55.22 | fireba11 | pdani_: if you just want to use it for local hosts there are easier to use packages than bind |
| 11:55.59 | Deffie | 12:54:23 [root@spawn]:~# objdump -T /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so | grep gdImageCreateFromGif |
| 11:55.59 | Deffie | 00000000 DF *UND* 00000046 gdImageCreateFromGif |
| 11:55.59 | Deffie | 00000000 DF *UND* 000003a5 gdImageCreateFromGifCtx |
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| 11:56.15 | Deffie | jm_, uhm ? |
| 11:56.36 | M_Cheevy | pdani_: if you want to know the ins and outs of tcp/ip check out the Network Administrators guide at The Linux Documentation Project |
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| 11:56.48 | Dyvus | hello, i've added an user, but now its going to its home directory, it needs to go to his webdirectory. where can i change that |
| 11:56.51 | Maulkin | I *think* that this could be a bug that was introduced iwth the latest security update. |
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| 11:57.14 | predius_ | Dyvus: the ftpd conf. |
| 11:57.25 | pdani_ | fireba11: for example? |
| 11:57.36 | vyrus001 | is there an app that will let me browse through all the fonts i have installed, (preferably with a sample to see what it looks like)? |
| 11:57.50 | Dyvus | predius_ ...no.. |
| 11:57.51 | predius_ | vyrus001: xfontsel |
| 11:57.58 | Dyvus | thats not it |
| 11:58.10 | vyrus001 | predius_: how does that thing work |
| 11:58.20 | vyrus001 | predius_: i have it installed but i dont know how to use it |
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| 11:58.25 | fireba11 | pdani_: am trying to remember right now .. but someone told me here about a package that was for DNS proxy and a simple DNS for hosts in the LAN .. it's no full DNS server but much simpler to use than bind |
| 11:58.35 | M_Cheevy | 'man xfontsel' will help |
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| 11:58.57 | frood | hey all |
| 11:59.13 | M_Cheevy | heya frood... where's the towel? |
| 11:59.27 | frood | :) got it right here! |
| 11:59.42 | El-Presidente | okay ive added the users to the same group, still have no permission |
| 11:59.44 | M_Cheevy | frood: guess that's what makes ya a frood ;) |
| 11:59.50 | frood | hoopy |
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| 12:00.59 | frood | how do i remove the extension of a file for use in a script? |
| 12:01.10 | Maulkin | Deffie: Just checking the build scripts |
| 12:01.12 | Dyvus | hello, i've added an user, but now its going to its home directory where the .bahs_profile file is located and thats wrong it needs to go to his webdirectory ( www/user ). where can i change that |
| 12:01.41 | M_Cheevy | frood: come again? short and sweet answer (not really understanding your question) is use the mv command to rename the file |
| 12:01.52 | jm_ | Deffie: no, the libgd-gif1 has it |
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| 12:02.40 | Deffie | 01:02:07 [root@spawn]:~# objdump -T /usr/local/lib/libgd.so.2 | grep gdImageCreateFromGif |
| 12:02.40 | Deffie | 01:02:24 [root@spawn]:~# |
| 12:02.44 | Deffie | O_o |
| 12:02.51 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: that's usually in the passwd file, but I'd recommend finding a user editor to change the home directory... assuming their logging in via telnet or the terminal |
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| 12:03.11 | Dyvus | well they are loggin in trough ftp |
| 12:03.18 | doubleukay | for the purpose of rebooting after lockups, would the intel i8xx TCO watchdog be just as good as the NMI watchdog driver? 2.6.12 doesn't seem to support my cpu. |
| 12:03.20 | Dyvus | thats the only option for them |
| 12:03.55 | twirl83 | I have been trying to fix my keyboard mapping for the last 3 days.. when I press delete it is interpreted as a backspace.. and in vim the arrows arent working. please can someone help. note that I am using the console not xterm |
| 12:03.56 | M_Cheevy | then it would be in the ftpd configuration file if memory serves.. if not check www.tldp.org in the howto section for setting up FTP.. might be in the NAG (network admin guide) |
| 12:04.15 | Dyvus | ok i'l try |
| 12:04.16 | frood | basically, how do i remove some characters at the end of a variable in bash scripts? |
| 12:04.25 | Dyvus | M_Cheevy: one thing, where can i find the passwd file |
| 12:04.57 | tarzeau | does the debian m68k atari buildd have mint-gcc ? |
| 12:05.00 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: long time ago it used to be in /etc/passwd but that's for local (console/telnet) login home directories |
| 12:05.20 | Dyvus | M_Cheevy: thnx, thats the file :) |
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| 12:05.32 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: NOT for ftp login's it isn't |
| 12:05.40 | Dyvus | but it works.. |
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| 12:06.06 | Dyvus | test:x:1001:1001:test,,,:/home/test:/bin/bash you change bin/bash to bin/flase |
| 12:06.10 | Dyvus | and change the directory |
| 12:06.18 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: get the hence to LDP and check out to make sure you haven't just screwed something up |
| 12:06.25 | kneet | Dyvus - bin/false ? |
| 12:06.31 | fireba11 | yes |
| 12:06.40 | fireba11 | bin/false says no login allowed |
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| 12:06.48 | Dyvus | kneet: exactly |
| 12:07.07 | twirl83 | anyone has a suggestion? |
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| 12:07.37 | Maulkin | Deffie: Ok, well, there's not been a change in the security update, so it's not that |
| 12:07.38 | M_Cheevy | twirl: I have a few suggestions, but as I don't know your question, I don't think you'll like them |
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| 12:08.19 | twirl83 | I have been trying to fix my keyboard mapping for the last 3 days.. when I press delete it is interpreted as a backspace.. and in vim the arrows arent working. please can someone help. note that I am using the console not xterm |
| 12:08.59 | M_Cheevy | twirl83: dpkg-reconfigure console-data (I think) |
| 12:09.36 | twirl83 | I am using freebsd :).. I tried in #freebsd. however I didnt get an answer. I thought maybe someone can help me here |
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| 12:10.57 | M_Cheevy | twirl83: hmmm for bsd I can't tell ya, however, check if there is anything in the installation manual about a "chroot install from exising unix setup" the step will be in there if it goes along the lines of the debian install |
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| 12:12.26 | Maulkin | Deffie: Just checking - have you got evrythign installed from the Debian archive? |
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| 12:14.07 | twirl83 | M_Cheevy, I have an offtopic question. :) .. why use Debian or any linux OS when you can use a more mature OS like freebsd |
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| 12:14.54 | Shadur | twirl83: Troll elsewhere, please. |
| 12:15.07 | El-Presidente | I've added PHP (which is creating directories) to the same group of users that I wish to have upload files in that directory, it seems that im still getting permission denied.. I have chowned that group to that dir, what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:15.19 | M_Cheevy | twirl: seeing as I've been bouncing around the distributions since I started with slackware 1 more than 10 yrs ago, I'd say linux is pretty mature |
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| 12:15.51 | twirl83 | Shadur, I was just wondering |
| 12:16.27 | M_Cheevy | twirl: and the fact that I can get answers here while no one is answering in #bsd....... |
| 12:16.29 | Shadur | twirl83: No, you weren't. |
| 12:16.44 | Shadur | "Out of curiosity, what do you like about debian?" would be wondering. |
| 12:17.02 | Shadur | "Why use linux when BSD is so much better?" is blatantly trolling. |
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| 12:17.30 | twirl83 | Shadur, I have no bad intention |
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| 12:17.38 | M_Cheevy | got to agree with shadur... it was a bit of a baited question.. |
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| 12:17.48 | twirl83 | I personally dont have any preference. |
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| 12:17.56 | streuner | if this isn't your intention, you are just NOT that clever :-) |
| 12:18.03 | Tuttle_ | I run prepackaged kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 in Sarge. How can I peek at its current source from which it was compiled to my system? |
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| 12:18.17 | Gnea | twirl83: if freebsd is so mature, why tout it in the first place? |
| 12:18.33 | twirl83 | trying to solve my keyboard problem. hehe |
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| 12:18.48 | M_Cheevy | Tuttle_: are you looking for the kernel configuration options? or the actual source code? |
| 12:19.19 | Gnea | !pebkac |
| 12:19.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 12:19.37 | azeem | Gnea: who was that for? |
| 12:19.40 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: do you have a LART tool there too? |
| 12:19.52 | Gnea | !lart M_Cheevy |
| 12:19.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:19.59 | lucox | hi all good people, when will be firefox 1.5 in debian (unstable) ? |
| 12:20.07 | Gnea | lucox: already is |
| 12:20.10 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: close enough.... |
| 12:20.13 | Gnea | lucox: install firefox |
| 12:20.21 | streuner | M_Cheevy: /msg dpkg listkeys lart? |
| 12:20.52 | Shadur | Package: firefox |
| 12:20.54 | lucox | Gnea: apt-cache show firefox|grep Version .... Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 |
| 12:20.56 | Shadur | Version: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 |
| 12:21.02 | lucox | wtf version ? :) why rc3 ? |
| 12:21.06 | Gnea | lucox: 1.5rc3 thank you, drive through |
| 12:21.18 | Shadur | Gnea: This is from an apt-get update this morning. |
| 12:21.20 | Tuttle_ | M_Cheevy: the actual code |
| 12:21.27 | Gnea | Shadur: uh huh |
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| 12:21.30 | Tuttle_ | exactly as it was before building |
| 12:21.33 | lucox | why rc3 why not final ? |
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| 12:21.56 | Gnea | why not ask the package maintainer? |
| 12:22.08 | M_Cheevy | Tuttle_: the package kernel-source-2.4.... should dump a ..tar.bz2 in your /usr/src dir |
| 12:22.09 | azeem | lucox: does it matter much? They are virtually the same I guess, for all practical purposes |
| 12:22.26 | lucox | but why a step backward ? |
| 12:22.27 | fireba11 | azeem: they are even identical |
| 12:22.37 | Gnea | lucox: the difference being..? |
| 12:22.43 | azeem | lucox: that is due to technical reasons about Debian package versioning |
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| 12:22.52 | s | haaa |
| 12:22.53 | s | :D |
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| 12:23.07 | SerajewelKS | s: do you have a question? |
| 12:23.09 | Tuttle_ | M_Cheevy: ok, i'll try. thanks |
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| 12:23.38 | El-Presidente | whats the umask so everyone can have full read + write etc |
| 12:23.44 | streuner | SerajewelKS: seems s(he) trying 'webchat' ... |
| 12:23.47 | SerajewelKS | El-Presidente: 777 |
| 12:23.49 | M_Cheevy | Tuttle: trust me, it will, that's how I got my system installed, downloaded the source and compiled my own kernel as debianinstaller couldn't deal with my raid0 array |
| 12:24.00 | Gnea | lucox: when i click on help->about, it says 1.5 |
| 12:24.07 | SerajewelKS | El-Presidente: er, that's the mask.. probably 000 |
| 12:24.28 | azeem | lobico: please unload that script |
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| 12:26.09 | Tuttle_ | M_Cheevy: the tar.bz2 tree has already all debian patches included? |
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| 12:26.28 | DeadZed | To use Framebuffer or not to use framebuffer |
| 12:26.45 | M_Cheevy | Tuttle_: yeap.. there's a README.Debian file that explains all that |
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| 12:27.07 | M_Cheevy | Tuttle_: you might need to also get kernel-package to create a .deb file |
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| 12:27.28 | Tuttle_ | M_Cheevy: just wanted to peek, not build. thank you |
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| 12:28.50 | M_Cheevy | anyone know a good bootsplash gallery? |
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| 12:29.15 | Tuttle_ | M_Cheevy: i was wondering that sarge already have a protection against noexec bypass using /lib/ld-linux.so.2 <binary> included. |
| 12:29.19 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: is there a debian way to do bootsplash? |
| 12:29.55 | Gnea | !google bootsplash gallery |
| 12:30.01 | dpkg | Google says bootsplash gallery is at http://www.evostats.com/30-breakdown-search-month.html or http://www.basquiat.de/gallery/album08/console or http://www.basquiat.de/gallery/album08 or http://www.basquiat.de/gallery/album08/aab or http://debcentral.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20 |
| 12:30.08 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: check that third link |
| 12:30.33 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS; Yeap.. found an article on Pg2 of google search for "bootsplash debian" from OReilly's ... Jazzing up your boot |
| 12:31.16 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: thanks... checking it now |
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| 12:32.14 | Gnea | oh my... http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian/pool/main/ |
| 12:32.32 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/3124 for instructions on getting bootsplash into debian |
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| 12:32.53 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: yea.. gallery so I don't have to click my brains out.. something with thumbnails is what I was after |
| 12:33.04 | Dyvus | M_Cheevy: what howto must i read? i cant find one.. |
| 12:33.08 | silya | Hi all. Please, say howto close any kde settings for user? |
| 12:33.28 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: too cool |
| 12:33.58 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: ftp issue? try the Network Administrator's Guide if there isn't an ftpd howto |
| 12:34.12 | Dyvus | in the ftpd conf.. |
| 12:34.20 | Dyvus | thats working with groups and users |
| 12:34.21 | Dyvus | right? |
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| 12:34.31 | Glanzmann | ?? xv |
| 12:34.32 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: you've played with bootsplash before? |
| 12:34.36 | Glanzmann | ? xv |
| 12:34.41 | Glanzmann | ! xv |
| 12:34.41 | dpkg | hmm... xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html or http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 12:35.02 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: I beleive so.. it's been a while but that's where I had to do it back in the day |
| 12:35.25 | Dyvus | hmm, i always dit it trough the passwd file |
| 12:35.33 | Dyvus | wy is that wrong |
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| 12:36.20 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: one sec of link |
| 12:36.31 | Dyvus | ok |
| 12:37.13 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: it's been a few years |
| 12:37.38 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: here's the NAG http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/index.html |
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| 12:40.40 | Dyvus | thnx |
| 12:40.43 | Tuttle_ | How is it possible to compile binaries with with code segment executable flag unset? |
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| 12:40.54 | M_Cheevy | Dyvus: Here's the FTP Howto: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/FTP.html#ss6.2 |
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| 12:41.27 | Eclipser | Tuttle_, remove it with umask |
| 12:42.23 | Tuttle_ | Eclipser: I do not mean the x filesystem flag. |
| 12:42.55 | Eclipser | urf |
| 12:43.43 | Tuttle_ | kernel knows about PROT_EXEC bit and i think it's not the x fs flag |
| 12:43.53 | Tuttle_ | it's something the binary's code segment |
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| 12:44.40 | azeem | Tuttle_: I guess googling might lead to better results, it's maybe some gcc flag? |
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| 12:44.56 | bayer | what do i have to do in order to compile a module that is loadable during the installation of sarge? |
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| 12:45.28 | ma3x | hey whats the first name of that writer "Cummings" ? |
| 12:45.33 | ma3x | Virginia? |
| 12:45.40 | ma3x | I mean that's a famous writer, right? |
| 12:45.47 | azeem | ma3x: how is that relevant here? |
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| 12:45.58 | ma3x | azeem, no, but anyway... |
| 12:46.19 | azeem | ma3x: well, if it is not relevant, than you should probably discuss this in another chan |
| 12:46.37 | ma3x | azeem, you don't always talk only about debian in here, do you? |
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| 12:46.48 | azeem | ma3x: actually, I mostly do |
| 12:46.57 | Tuttle_ | azeem: i haven't found such flag in texinfo |
| 12:47.04 | ma3x | so what's so bad if I asked about Cummings |
| 12:47.09 | ma3x | tell me if you know |
| 12:47.40 | azeem | ma3x: it is trivial to find that via wikipedia or google, so I assume you're just trying to stir up a discussion |
| 12:47.55 | ma3x | i'm not try to stir up a discussion |
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| 12:48.22 | azeem | bayer: you can put kernel modules on a floppy disk and load it during install I think. I don't know how the floppy should be laid out for that, though |
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| 12:48.30 | azeem | bayer: maybe there is something about this in the install manual |
| 12:48.39 | azeem | (if I understood your question correctly in the first place) |
| 12:49.15 | bayer | azeem it is not a problem to get the module onto the system, but to do the compilation right |
| 12:49.48 | azeem | bayer: ok, so this reduces to compiling a kernel module for your kernel |
| 12:49.51 | azeem | I guess |
| 12:50.27 | azeem | bayer: the easy way this is done is through module-assisstant I believe |
| 12:50.34 | bayer | azeem, yes - i mean i know how to compile modules, but i get an error saying "wrong format" |
| 12:50.41 | notty | anyone has any ideea how the kde front end of apt-get was called ? i don't use it and i can't find it in apt-cache |
| 12:50.51 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: it's e.e. cummings (never capitalised), now skarper |
| 12:50.59 | bayer | notty aptitude? |
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| 12:51.13 | rohan | hi all .. |
| 12:51.14 | ircdevil | font-trouble. helvetica doesnt seem to be installed on my box - converting eps with helvetica using gs fails (i did the bob2 font-guide) |
| 12:51.15 | azeem | notty: kynaptic I think |
| 12:51.18 | rohan | any user from india here ? |
| 12:51.25 | azeem | notty: maybe there has been another one since |
| 12:51.26 | M_Cheevy | notty: the kde front end is called synaptic |
| 12:51.30 | rohan | i am looking forward to buy debian sarge 2 dvds |
| 12:51.31 | streuner | rohan: rarely |
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| 12:51.39 | rohan | streuner: :( |
| 12:51.46 | bolrod | \/win 18 |
| 12:51.49 | bolrod | 00ps |
| 12:51.49 | streuner | rohan: uhm, there are vendors in pakistan |
| 12:51.51 | notty | M_Cheevy: that's it, thanx |
| 12:51.53 | rohan | streuner: i want to buy from indian cos the $ -> Rs. rate is high |
| 12:52.08 | rohan | streuner: vendors looks for profit. individuals usually dont. |
| 12:52.19 | streuner | rohan: look harder at the vendor list |
| 12:52.20 | M_Cheevy | notty: i've been using it a LOT recently (did a debootstrap install) |
| 12:52.22 | ma3x | M_Cheevy, thanks a lot! |
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| 12:52.47 | rohan | streuner: yes. there are vendors in india. but i am looking for individual, for the reason i mentioned above :) |
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| 12:52.51 | notty | M_Cheevy: i need it for someone that need fancy nice windows to admin pkgs... |
| 12:52.55 | streuner | rohan: vendors are individuals as well... |
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| 12:53.29 | streuner | rohan: no, there are hardly somebody here from india, no regulars the last years |
| 12:53.31 | M_Cheevy | notty: nothing wrong with synaptic.. handy, browsable, searchable and resizeable... curses ain't that nice |
| 12:53.32 | rohan | streuner: hmm.. ok. |
| 12:53.38 | rohan | streuner: :( |
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| 12:54.12 | bayer | azeem, i just had a look at module-assistant, but this is no standard kernel module but a 3rd party module |
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| 12:54.27 | notty | M_Cheevy: i'll give it a try to.. but the work remotly msot of the time so X is luxury :) |
| 12:54.34 | azeem | bayer: binary-only? |
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| 12:54.46 | bayer | azeem, no there are sources |
| 12:55.06 | azeem | bayer: ok, so you should find the headers of the d-i kernels and compile against them, I guess |
| 12:55.07 | M_Cheevy | notty: aptitude will provide a kinder, gentler interface to dpkg/apt in a non-X environment |
| 12:55.08 | rohan | azeem: hii ... remember me ? you had helped me install hurd using crosshurd from ubuntu ? |
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| 12:55.30 | azeem | bayer: I don't do that often these days, so I won't be of much help here, sorry |
| 12:55.32 | hobahoba | hi everybody |
| 12:55.38 | azeem | rohan: hey |
| 12:55.43 | bayer | azeem, okay, i'll try that - thx |
| 12:55.43 | NichtMued | dpkg told me about webmin. dpkg suggests better not to use it. Is someone using webmin and is happy with it? |
| 12:55.45 | dpkg | NichtMued: that's too long |
| 12:55.46 | rohan | azeem: you still using hud ? |
| 12:55.48 | rohan | *hurd |
| 12:55.56 | azeem | rohan: I'm damned to |
| 12:55.58 | azeem | sort of |
| 12:56.03 | rohan | azeem: why ? |
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| 12:56.18 | azeem | rohan: I am the last man standing maintaining the Debian GNU/Hurd port |
| 12:56.24 | M_Cheevy | Nicht: got it installed, haven't played with it yet though... |
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| 12:56.51 | azeem | rohan: did you get somewhere with your Hurd install? |
| 12:56.56 | NichtMued | M_Cheevy: Thanks. |
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| 12:57.13 | NichtMued | Anyone else? |
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| 12:57.16 | rohan | azeem: no... i had given up then, and never did install it ... |
| 12:57.29 | azeem | oh :-/ |
| 12:57.32 | rohan | azeem: oh, no one is helping you with GNU/Hurd ? |
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| 12:57.48 | M_Cheevy | Nicht: it hasn't broken anything.. all my other configuration tools are working fine |
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| 12:57.53 | azeem | rohan: well, there are a few, but rather unregularly |
| 12:57.57 | rohan | azeem: i tried the hurd live cd, but it didnt work since i have two cd / dvd drives. |
| 12:58.13 | NichtMued | M_Cheevy: Which other tools do you use? |
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| 12:58.42 | M_Cheevy | NichtMued: mostly KDE control panel |
| 12:58.55 | NichtMued | M_Cheevy: I see. |
| 12:59.01 | int21h | how to configure my integrated video |
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| 12:59.14 | rohan | azeem: is hurd 'usable' now as a desktop os ? |
| 12:59.25 | int21h | how to configure my integrated video |
| 12:59.26 | M_Cheevy | Nicht: just got the system to boot into X yesterday so I haven't done too much, but most of what I've needed to do was in there |
| 13:00.00 | azeem | rohan: no, at least not as your prime OS. It (or maybe rather Mach, upon which it sits) is pretty unstable still |
| 13:00.05 | NichtMued | M_Cheevy: I have not been using graphical config tools so far... |
| 13:00.23 | int21h | i cant log in to my xserver because of bad video configuration |
| 13:00.24 | int21h | how to configure my integrated video |
| 13:00.26 | rohan | azeem: oh, ok.. |
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| 13:00.54 | streuner | int21h: what videocard do you have? |
| 13:01.10 | streuner | int21h: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 13:01.43 | int21h | im not sure but it is a built in video card of IBM |
| 13:02.12 | M_Cheevy | Here's a good one guys.. I got X set up using KDE and the nvidia driver. I've manged to get DualView working. Now one monitor is a 21" at 1280x1024. The other is 17" at 1024x768. The bottoms of the monitors line up but images, when they cross displays, do not line up.. how can I adjust for this? |
| 13:02.12 | uince | hi all |
| 13:02.14 | streuner | int21h: we need the chipset, otherwise its hard to help then |
| 13:02.46 | int21h | ok w8 |
| 13:03.00 | Gnea | int21h: it'll say VGA compatible controller: <something> |
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| 13:03.04 | uince | do you know some sites with desktops theme' s pictures and a description of how they are realized? |
| 13:03.05 | int21h | Intel 82845G/GL |
| 13:03.21 | Gnea | int21h: ah, use the VESA driver |
| 13:03.45 | int21h | how? |
| 13:03.52 | int21h | im totaly noob |
| 13:03.55 | int21h | :(( |
| 13:04.10 | Gnea | !configure xf4 |
| 13:04.10 | dpkg | methinks configure xf4 is 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (and if that doesn't work, ask me about install xf4), and make sure /etc/X11/X points to your X server (/usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86), or as a last resort, try xf86config or "XFree86 -configure", or try xf86cfg |
| 13:04.17 | int21h | ok |
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| 13:04.23 | Gnea | the first one |
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| 13:04.42 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: want to take a shot a the dual monitor question? ;) |
| 13:04.59 | int21h | its said event not found |
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| 13:05.23 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: ask SerajewelKS ;) |
| 13:05.40 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: Sera's off checking out bootsplash I think ;) |
| 13:05.41 | int21h | ok i will try |
| 13:05.48 | Gnea | good point |
| 13:05.55 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: what's the question? |
| 13:05.58 | bismark | hello |
| 13:06.00 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: my own fault, i sent her there ;) |
| 13:06.03 | M_Cheevy | Here's a good one guys.. I got X set up using KDE and the nvidia driver. I've manged to get DualView working. Now one monitor is a 21" at 1280x1024. The other is 17" at 1024x768. The bottoms of the monitors line up but images, when they cross displays, do not line up.. how can I adjust for this? |
| 13:06.13 | notty | is there a way to move messages in thunderbird that i have downlaoded from pop3 to an imap account (same account) ? |
| 13:06.25 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: the 21" must be at 1024x768 |
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| 13:06.34 | Gnea | you can't mix and match |
| 13:06.54 | Gnea | so lowest/highest common denominator |
| 13:06.58 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: it's working now.. just getting picky about things lining up across the monitors |
| 13:07.04 | bismark | i have some problems with monodevelop, "The aplication has quit Unexpectedly", someone can help me? |
| 13:07.18 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: it's a PITA with monitors that aren't exactly the same :) |
| 13:07.20 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: some things ( like fonts ) are sized by dots per inch, some are plain pixels, how would you imagine that to ever match on your displays? |
| 13:07.25 | azeem | bismark: can you reproduce it? |
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| 13:08.06 | bismark | azeem: what? |
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| 13:08.47 | Gnea | bismark: lots of applications can quit unexpectedly |
| 13:09.00 | rpoppi77 | hi all. tried google and bug tracker. I´m using debian sarge with 2.4.27 kernel / gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13). Everytime I use MTR my network starts loosing packets reported from debian and other machines at the network. Tried two ethernet cards, the one that´s onboard (Board ASUS P4S800D) and an PCI VIA RHINEIII. Do anybody had something similar? |
| 13:09.03 | azeem | bismark: if you start it again, and repeat what you did last time, will it crash again? |
| 13:09.04 | M_Cheevy | Valdyn: wasn't so worried about text, but was thinking more of screensavers, etc... purely cosmetic issue I know... as for how can it be done? hate to say it but the great beast (ms) manages |
| 13:09.20 | valdyn | bismark: monodevelop is in development, you cant expect it to work properly atm |
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| 13:09.23 | bismark | azeem: yes, the same error :( |
| 13:09.23 | Gnea | mtr? |
| 13:09.39 | Gnea | !mtr |
| 13:09.39 | dpkg | methinks mtr is a Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool |
| 13:09.45 | azeem | bismark: ok. Maybe it is best to check their upstream bug tracking system then |
| 13:09.56 | azeem | bismark: and see whether a newer upstream version is available |
| 13:09.58 | rpoppi77 | mtr = My traceroute [v0.67] |
| 13:10.15 | bismark | azeem: i unistalled and install again, but doesnt work |
| 13:10.21 | azeem | bismark: or just file a bug with reportbug, including a recipe to reproduce the crash |
| 13:10.22 | valdyn | M_Cheevy: ms has different screensavers too, vector oriented ones that scale to your screen size and pixel oriented that won't scale |
| 13:10.25 | azeem | bismark: what doesn't work? |
| 13:10.33 | azeem | bismark: it still crashes? |
| 13:10.41 | bismark | azeem: monodevelop |
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| 13:10.49 | M_Cheevy | might get away with it if I put the 17" monitor up on a book..... |
| 13:10.49 | Gnea | rpoppi77: dunno, sounds like an issue outside of your network boundary, or you could try upgrading to a 2.6 kernel and using a 3.4.5 compiler |
| 13:10.53 | int21h | i used the vesa driver but its not working |
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| 13:11.07 | azeem | bismark: deinstalling/reinstalling should not change the behaviour of the program |
| 13:11.14 | azeem | bismark: what Debian version do you run? |
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| 13:11.24 | Gnea | int21h: are you sure you have the monitor horiz/vert set right? |
| 13:11.39 | int21h | not sure |
| 13:11.43 | bismark | azeem: unstable + experimental |
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| 13:11.53 | Gnea | int21h: what monitor is it? |
| 13:12.03 | int21h | IBM E54 |
| 13:12.06 | M_Cheevy | int21h: you definitely want to have you monitor and video card manual at hand when you set up X |
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| 13:12.26 | int21h | 15" IBM E54 |
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| 13:12.43 | M_Cheevy | 15"?? oooh my aching eyes... |
| 13:12.51 | int21h | hehehe |
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| 13:13.05 | Gnea | int21h: hrm, try the i810 driver instead of vesa then |
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| 13:13.23 | DeadZed- | I get an error during "apt-get dist-upgrade" - W: Couldn't stat source package list http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 13:13.31 | Gnea | !non-us |
| 13:13.32 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 13:13.33 | azeem | bismark: check bugs.debian.org/monodevelop to see whether your issue has been reported already, and see whether perhaps a new version of the package is available |
| 13:13.46 | valdyn | DeadZed-: run apt-get update right after your removed non-us from your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:13.48 | Gnea | "there is no non-us" |
| 13:13.50 | azeem | bismark: if not, use reportbug to file a bug report |
| 13:14.00 | DeadZed- | thank you |
| 13:14.04 | Gnea | np |
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| 13:14.08 | rpoppi77 | Gnea: When I use mtr with the other machines, everything goes ok. I tried looking at kernel parameters to try finding something that is causing that. |
| 13:14.17 | bismark | azeem: ok, thanks |
| 13:14.27 | Gnea | rpoppi77: same kernels there? |
| 13:14.32 | BucWheat | hi all i would like to install another video card into my computer so i can have two monitors displaying the same desktop |
| 13:14.43 | Gnea | BucWheat: so do it |
| 13:14.46 | int21h | what should i put on bus identifier? |
| 13:14.51 | BucWheat | what would i need to do software (debian) wise to make this happen? |
| 13:14.58 | valdyn | int21h: you have more than 1 video card |
| 13:14.59 | valdyn | int21h: you have more than 1 video card? |
| 13:15.06 | Gnea | int21h: the result of: lspci -X | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}' |
| 13:15.17 | M_Cheevy | int21h: do "scanpci" |
| 13:15.18 | int21h | only the built-in |
| 13:15.25 | valdyn | int21h: leave it empty then |
| 13:15.37 | int21h | ok |
| 13:15.48 | rpoppi77 | yes and no. I have an Fedora Core 2 with 2.4.11 kernel and another with an 2.6.8.1-kanotix-10 kernel. |
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| 13:16.15 | Gnea | rpoppi77: i would suggest upgrading the kernel. |
| 13:16.24 | BucWheat | do i copy video card 1 settings to video card 2 settings in XF86Config ? |
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| 13:16.46 | Gnea | !xinerama |
| 13:16.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 has it!, or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 13:16.49 | rpoppi77 | Gnea: What do you think about downgrading to another 2.4.xxx? |
| 13:16.54 | Gnea | BucWheat: read that ^^ |
| 13:16.55 | M_Cheevy | int21i: in the meantime, checkout http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html |
| 13:17.16 | int21h | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.56 | Gnea | rpoppi77: you can try it, but i think it's a stupid move |
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| 13:18.46 | Gnea | int21h: what verison of pciutils do you have? |
| 13:19.02 | rpoppi77 | Gnea: hehehe. ok. I will try upgrading. Since I did I´ll let you know the results. Thanks very much. |
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| 13:19.12 | Gnea | rpoppi77 :) |
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| 13:20.05 | int21h | Gnea: how do i know |
| 13:20.07 | sphenxes | where can I find hardware compatibilty for debian "wireless adsl router" |
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| 13:20.56 | bolidz | hello |
| 13:21.02 | petemc | sphenxes: any router that speaks 802.11x or uses wired ethernet should work, its the cards that may be problematic |
| 13:21.10 | azeem | int21h: somebody told you not to worry about the PCI ID, no? |
| 13:21.24 | int21h | Gnea what is the command to know the version of pciutil |
| 13:21.52 | valdyn | sphenxes: where do routers need debians support? |
| 13:22.04 | BucWheat | Gnea if i omit RightOf and LeftOf and just have Screen "Screen 1" <CR> "Screen 2" will that put the desktop image on both screens ? |
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| 13:23.24 | Gnea | int21h: apt-cache show pciutils |
| 13:23.36 | Gnea | BucWheat: i don't remember. |
| 13:23.40 | int21h | ok |
| 13:23.47 | Gnea | BucWheat: i haven't setup dual monitors in several months |
| 13:24.07 | Gnea | BucWheat: but i think so... |
| 13:24.09 | BucWheat | k |
| 13:24.09 | BucWheat | np |
| 13:24.13 | Gnea | BucWheat: try it and see what happens |
| 13:24.15 | valdyn | sphenxes: these things usually have a web interface for configuration, if there's one that requires internet exploror, then you dont want it, that is all on 'debian support' i can imagine for a router |
| 13:24.17 | sphenxes | petemc, thanks |
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| 13:24.43 | sphenxes | valdyn, thanks |
| 13:24.51 | memic | is there a good howto for migrating to mysql 4.1 from 4.0? |
| 13:24.52 | BucWheat | well thanks Gnea i will do so and i'll bbl |
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| 13:25.38 | _giacomo | ciao |
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| 13:26.23 | int21h | pciutils version is 2.1.11-15 |
| 13:26.36 | Gnea | hrm |
| 13:26.39 | Gnea | that's what i have |
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| 13:26.46 | Gnea | well, 1:2.1.11-15.1 |
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| 13:26.53 | Gnea | but lspci -X should show the PCI: |
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| 13:27.05 | valdyn | sphenxes: ah, i found something, you *might* ask how/if you can upgrade your routers firmware from linux/debian |
| 13:27.05 | Gnea | not a string of zeros |
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| 13:27.43 | M_Cheevy | looks like BucWheat beat it... |
| 13:27.55 | Gnea | indeed |
| 13:27.57 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: if he returns, can you refer him to this place? http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 13:28.11 | int21h | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.15 | Gnea | oh dude |
| 13:28.31 | valdyn | int21h: leave it empty |
| 13:28.33 | Gnea | int21h: i get: PCI:3:0:0 |
| 13:28.46 | int21h | ok |
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| 13:28.54 | Gnea | int21h: are you SURE you typed -X and not -x? |
| 13:29.18 | ambycrao | make-kpkg: command not found ? |
| 13:29.24 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: his reply would probably translate PCI:0:2:0 |
| 13:29.28 | valdyn | !installit |
| 13:29.28 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 13:29.39 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: probably, but i wanna make sure he knows the difference |
| 13:29.39 | azeem | ambycrao: the package is called kernel-package |
| 13:30.02 | M_Cheevy | ambycrao: it's part of the kernel-package install |
| 13:30.13 | M_Cheevy | what azeem said |
| 13:30.19 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 13:30.20 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 13:30.23 | resiak | ambycrao: Read the kernel chapter of the Debian reference |
| 13:30.26 | resiak | !tell ambycrao -about dr |
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| 13:31.32 | M_Cheevy | weeeeellll... 0230 here... night folks... work in the morning, dentist in the afternoon... in short, a hell day tomorrow, might as well be half-asleep for it... |
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| 13:32.26 | cusco | what happend to gnome-look.org and kde-look.org and xfce-look.org and so on? |
| 13:32.30 | Gnea | !xinerama |
| 13:32.30 | dpkg | i guess xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 13:32.33 | resiak | !htfswk |
| 13:32.33 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 13:39.39 | int21h | dpkg: it not work, i will continue this tomorrow, im in the office i have to go home. thank you for the help |
| 13:40.06 | int21h | also thank you for the others who helps me |
| 13:40.20 | Gnea | yes, go home - dpkg is a bot :) |
| 13:40.34 | nuskool | can anyone tell me why I wouldn't be able to mount my fat32 formatted memory stick with: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt? |
| 13:40.38 | int21h | i will be back tomorrow |
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| 13:40.52 | int21h | hehehe ic thanks |
| 13:40.55 | nuskool | I can post the errors to a pasteboard if you need to see them |
| 13:40.59 | resiak | nuskool: That would help. |
| 13:41.09 | Gnea | nuskool: does /mnt already have any subdirectories? |
| 13:41.10 | Maulkin | nuskool: it's not fat? it's not at /dev/sda1? |
| 13:41.24 | Maulkin | nuskool: Errors would be helpful? :) |
| 13:41.25 | resiak | Gnea: Shouldn't make a difference. |
| 13:41.36 | Gnea | resiak: shouldn't, but could |
| 13:41.44 | nuskool | Gnea: no mnt does not |
| 13:42.03 | resiak | Gnea: How? Whenever udev's tmpfs is mounted it mounts on a point which has subdirectories |
| 13:42.14 | Gnea | nuskool: cat /proc/filesystems | grep vfat <-- any results? |
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| 13:42.49 | Gnea | resiak: but those aren't in use yet |
| 13:42.50 | nuskool | Gnea: just one line that says vfat |
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| 13:43.27 | resiak | Gnea: Meh, at my workplace in July they were mounting things over directories which might be in use ... it works. |
| 13:43.41 | resiak | Gnea: because of the whole files-can-have-no-names loveliness of unix |
| 13:43.41 | Gnea | resiak: it's dumb, but yeah, it works |
| 13:44.06 | Gnea | nuskool: fdisk -l /dev/sda <-- that returns..? |
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| 13:44.12 | Gnea | nuskool: might want to paste that somewhere |
| 13:44.14 | Gnea | !paste |
| 13:44.14 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 13:45.22 | mirko | hi folks |
| 13:45.57 | mirko | i'm trying to migrate to udev, but the /dev dir structure is the same as before...why? where can i get a valid udev-howto? |
| 13:46.07 | resiak | mirko: That's kinda tho whole point ... |
| 13:46.13 | resiak | mirko: apt-get install udev does everything you need to do |
| 13:46.17 | nuskool | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.22 | resiak | mirko: You might want to look around /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
| 13:46.23 | Gnea | mirko: it's only going to generate on-the-fly what actually exists |
| 13:46.40 | mirko | resiak: but the /dev directory hasn't changed! |
| 13:46.47 | valdyn | mirko: why do you expect udev to change the /dev structure? |
| 13:46.54 | resiak | mirko: Are you _sure_? |
| 13:46.55 | Gnea | mirko: how did you ascertain that? |
| 13:47.02 | mirko | and at boot time the kernel doesn't boot the modules........ |
| 13:47.09 | resiak | What modules? |
| 13:47.14 | resiak | What do you think udev is meant to do? |
| 13:47.15 | Gnea | modules get booted? |
| 13:47.33 | mirko | Gnea, sorry for my english i'm from italy:) |
| 13:47.39 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:48.04 | Gnea | mirko: sorry, i just found that bit highly amusing - is udevd running? |
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| 13:48.26 | mirko | how can I see if udev is running? |
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| 13:48.50 | cahoot | mirko: try pgrep udev |
| 13:48.50 | Gnea | nuskool: try unplugging it, wait 5 seconds, plug it back in |
| 13:49.01 | Gnea | ps axf | |
| 13:49.07 | Gnea | ps axf | grep udev |
| 13:49.11 | mirko | no |
| 13:49.20 | mirko | it's not running |
| 13:49.27 | Gnea | that's why it hasn't changed :) |
| 13:49.29 | azeem | mirko: what kernel are you running? |
| 13:49.33 | mirko | 2.6.14 |
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| 13:49.35 | resiak | apt-get install udev ... oh, and are you using a recent enough kernel? |
| 13:49.38 | Gnea | sid? |
| 13:49.42 | mirko | yes |
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| 13:49.53 | Gnea | did you apt-get install udev? |
| 13:49.55 | nuskool | Gnea: no dice |
| 13:49.57 | mirko | yes |
| 13:50.04 | Gnea | dpkg-reconfigure udev |
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| 13:50.20 | Maulkin | nuskool: was the drive originally formatted in winXP? |
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| 13:50.40 | valdyn | mirko: is that your selfmade custom kernel? |
| 13:50.46 | Maulkin | nuskool: Or, indeed any version of windows? :) |
| 13:50.53 | cire | I have a laptop with a 1024x768 LCD screen. KDE tells me, my refresh rate was 85 Hz. I think LCD screens do not have such a thing. SHould I configure my xorg.conf to 60 Hz, or should I leave it this way? |
| 13:51.11 | mirko | valdyn yes |
| 13:51.26 | mirko | it's my custom kernel |
| 13:51.26 | nuskool | Maulkin: yes, I just reformatted it to fat32 |
| 13:51.27 | valdyn | mirko: and did you compile hotplug support into it? |
| 13:51.27 | nuskool | in WinXP |
| 13:51.29 | mirko | valdyn yes |
| 13:51.33 | mirko | as module |
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| 13:51.43 | Gnea | cire: what laptop? |
| 13:51.44 | Maulkin | nuskool: ok, It's probably best to rewrite the partion table iwth "cfdisk" and then reformat it under linux. WinXP has 'issues' with FAT32 partitions |
| 13:51.48 | Y0 | |
| 13:51.59 | cire | Gnea: Sony Vaio Z600LEK (from 1999 or so) |
| 13:52.00 | Y0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.01 | Gnea | Maulkin: what? |
| 13:52.03 | Y0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.06 | Y0 | :( |
| 13:52.07 | Y0 | :)) |
| 13:52.10 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 13:52.10 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:52.15 | nuskool | Maulkin: ok, will try that thanks |
| 13:52.17 | mirko | valdyn : can I comile that as module? |
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| 13:52.21 | Y0 | !repeat |
| 13:52.22 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:52.29 | Y0 | ok |
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| 13:52.45 | Y0 | how to registred chanel ? :)) |
| 13:52.52 | Y0 | ? |
| 13:52.55 | azeem | Y0: your question is not on-topic here |
| 13:53.00 | Gnea | Y0: try elsewhere. |
| 13:53.02 | Maulkin | Gnea: Not sure why, but I've found that WinXP seems to do some wierd stuff (tm) to FAT32 file systems. Ones formatted in Win2k seem to be ok, but WinXP isn't :| |
| 13:53.03 | Y0 | what ? |
| 13:53.03 | azeem | Y0: try #freenode or something |
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| 13:53.13 | mirko | now the daemon udevd is running |
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| 13:53.18 | Y0 | sorry |
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| 13:53.33 | Y0 | but i must know how to registred a chanel ? |
| 13:53.38 | mirko | but: if I boot the other kernel, the udev-fs remains? |
| 13:53.43 | Maulkin | Y0: /j #freenode |
| 13:53.46 | Gnea | Y0: WRONG CHANNEL |
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| 13:53.55 | azeem | Y0: well, sorry, this is the wrong channel for this question |
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| 13:54.05 | postel | Y0: /m chanserv help, and #debian is not the place for irc network related questions |
| 13:54.19 | valdyn | mirko: did you compile into that kernel tmpfs support? |
| 13:54.28 | Gnea | Maulkin: i'll try it out once i can boot into xp again... won't be for another couple hours though :/ |
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| 13:54.44 | Y0 | !help |
| 13:54.53 | Gnea | !lart postel |
| 13:54.55 | cire | okay, I'll ask it more commonly: Does the configured refresh rate affect a LCD screen? |
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| 13:55.09 | mirko | valdyn : under pseudo-file system? |
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| 13:55.12 | boguh | how to convert a bmp to an png? |
| 13:55.13 | Gnea | cire: it can |
| 13:55.20 | tarzeau | boguh: using convert |
| 13:55.22 | Gnea | boguh: imagemagick (convert) |
| 13:55.25 | petemc | boguh: install imagemagick , read up on convert |
| 13:55.30 | Maulkin | Y0: type "/j #freenode", then "/part #debian" (without the " marks) |
| 13:55.44 | valdyn | mirko: yea |
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| 13:55.55 | mirko | valdyn : i've not the box where I can set that |
| 13:55.59 | mirko | valdyn : i've not the box where I can set that!! |
| 13:56.18 | valdyn | mirko: [*] Virtual memory file system support (former shm fs) |
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| 13:56.20 | Y0 | @ |
| 13:56.23 | Maulkin | cire: It can have issues. Personally, if something works, I leave it :) |
| 13:56.24 | boguh | tarzeau Gnea petemc convert worked fine, thx |
| 13:56.28 | cire | Is this a thing of "works or doesn't work", or may it seem to work but harm the screen? |
| 13:56.30 | cire | ahh, okay |
| 13:56.33 | mirko | valdyn yeah! that's compiled |
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| 13:56.36 | Gnea | Y0: actually, /part #debian then /join #freenode |
| 13:56.40 | Y0 | but i must know how to registred a chanel ? |
| 13:56.41 | Y0 | ? |
| 13:56.45 | Y0 | plz answer |
| 13:56.47 | azeem | Y0: no |
| 13:56.51 | Gnea | !troll Y0 |
| 13:56.51 | Y0 | why ? |
| 13:56.52 | Maulkin | Y0: Follow those instructions. |
| 13:56.53 | azeem | Y0: please stop asking this question |
| 13:56.53 | postel | flavour: so thats where my hard earned charity pounds go to, paying your IRC sessions |
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| 13:57.01 | Y0 | but i must know how to registred a chanel ? |
| 13:57.01 | valdyn | mirko: /etc/init.d/udev stop && /etc/init.d/udev start |
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| 13:57.06 | Y0 | but i must know how to registred a chanel ? |
| 13:57.10 | mirko | ok |
| 13:57.10 | Y0 | but i must know how to registred a chanel ? |
| 13:57.13 | Y0 | ? |
| 13:57.14 | Maulkin | !ops Y0 spam |
| 13:57.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Y0 spam |
| 13:57.14 | petemc | postel: no, they pay for those people on the street to harass you |
| 13:57.15 | Ronin | Y0: /msg hanserv help |
| 13:57.15 | tarzeau | sir, please shut the fuck up |
| 13:57.16 | Shadur | Y0: This isn't the right place to ask, so stop askin here. |
| 13:57.16 | valdyn | mirko: ( do not use 'restart' to cut this short ) |
| 13:57.20 | Gnea | !ops Y0 is spamming, off-topic and obnoxious |
| 13:57.20 | Ronin | oops chanserv even |
| 13:57.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Y0 is spamming, off-topic and obnoxious |
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| 13:57.30 | Maulkin | ming the channel |
| 13:57.33 | Maulkin | Damn. |
| 13:57.35 | Y0 | but i must know how to registred a chanel ? |
| 13:57.36 | Y0 | ? |
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| 13:57.45 | mirko | i must reboot |
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| 13:57.56 | Bambix | hi |
| 13:58.00 | Gnea | !beer azeem |
| 13:58.05 | postel | he wasnt the sharpest tool in the shed now, was he? |
| 13:58.09 | mirko | as is the other kernel that cause the probs |
| 13:58.14 | jm_ | is that a new op? |
| 13:58.54 | azeem | yes |
| 13:59.12 | jm_ | I just hope you will stay active during euro hours, unlike that other German op |
| 13:59.31 | dimir | :-P |
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| 14:02.14 | Bambix | i have got a hd, which has got 2 partitions: the partition, where i have installed debian (ext2) and another partition with ext2. but they have the labels hdc1 and hdc6. how can i rename the partiton hdc6 in hdc2? |
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| 14:02.38 | jm_ | you can't - hdc6 is a logical driver, hdc1 is a primary partition |
| 14:02.40 | Gnea | awww man... i think this usb flash drive bit it |
| 14:02.49 | jm_ | drive even |
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| 14:02.57 | Gnea | usb 1-2.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
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| 14:03.05 | Gnea | it does that on 2 different machines |
| 14:03.25 | jk_work | Bambix: Why do you want to rename them? |
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| 14:04.00 | jm_ | you can easily do it if you recreate partition table by hand, but I definitely don't recommend it to you |
| 14:04.00 | Bambix | because it would be easier for me. why is the number of the first logical drive 6? why cant i rename it? |
| 14:04.38 | jm_ | because 1-4 are primary, 5 and up are logical drives |
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| 14:04.41 | evrenkan86 | can u help me about LVN ::: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BbVSde45.html ::: i have FC4 on hda3 debian on hda4 and FC4 swap on hda2 .. how can i mount FC4 to debian |
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| 14:05.14 | Bambix | and where is the difference between logical and primary? |
| 14:05.18 | Maulkin | evrenkan86: mnt /dev/hda2 /mnt |
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| 14:05.35 | valdyn | evrenkan86: one does not mount swap partitions |
| 14:05.39 | jk_work | Bambix: Buried back in the dark ages. |
| 14:05.40 | Maulkin | evrenkan86: Oh, and by the way, please avoid using the 'word' u etc. in this channel |
| 14:05.43 | valdyn | evrenkan86: swapon /dev/hda4 |
| 14:05.49 | valdyn | evrenkan86: or edit /etc/fstab |
| 14:05.50 | jk_work | There can only be four primary partitions. |
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| 14:06.00 | nulltrics | hi all, i have problems installing debian on ibm x460 with serveraid-8i, anybody can help me? |
| 14:06.10 | jk_work | But they can contain logical partitions |
| 14:06.20 | Anthro | I want to install a ruby extension that says it uses "gem" for installation. I can't find any "gem" as part of a Debian ruby package. What should I be doing? |
| 14:06.48 | Bambix | ok thanks |
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| 14:06.56 | Gnea | nulltrics: you might want to check google |
| 14:07.11 | jm_ | the difference is that logical drives exist within extended partition |
| 14:07.13 | jm_ | ahh too late |
| 14:07.17 | Gnea | damnit, this dead flash card heats up fast too |
| 14:07.32 | nuskool | ok, how am I supposed to format my memory stick as a fat16 or 32 file system from linux? |
| 14:07.37 | nulltrics | Gnea: i googled, but i don't get any documentation... |
| 14:07.43 | valdyn | Anthro: look up the docs at ruby-lang.org? |
| 14:07.46 | Gnea | nulltrics: what did you google for? |
| 14:07.52 | evrenkan86 | no they didnt work |
| 14:08.04 | Anthro | valdyn: Not yet. I was hoping for a Debian solution. |
| 14:08.49 | nulltrics | gna: i googled like "debian aacraid", etc |
| 14:08.59 | valdyn | Anthro: gem is just rubies cpan |
| 14:09.08 | valdyn | Anthro: no idea how to use it.. |
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| 14:09.17 | Maulkin | nuskool: /sbin/mkdosfs -c -F32 -v /mountpoint |
| 14:09.27 | Anthro | valdyn: Yeah, that's what I thought it was. |
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| 14:10.32 | nulltrics | Gnea: i tried with debian-amd64, but doesn't work.. |
| 14:10.53 | valdyn | Anthro: im reading up on it |
| 14:11.21 | Anthro | valdyn: Someone on #ruby-lang directed me to http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/RailsOnDebianStable/versions/40 |
| 14:11.25 | evrenkan86 | valdyn they didnt work |
| 14:12.04 | nulltrics | Gnea: with i386, the mod aacraid loads, but not the raid volume |
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| 14:12.25 | valdyn | evrenkan86: doesnt work is a very useless information for me |
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| 14:13.11 | Gnea | nulltrics: i have no idea |
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| 14:14.28 | nulltrics | Gnea: ok, thanks |
| 14:14.49 | evrenkan86 | valdyn i changed the fstab as /dev/hda3 /mnt/fc4 ext3 defaults 0 0 but it didnt work |
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| 14:15.23 | valdyn | Anthro: /usr/share/doc/ruby/ruby-policy* should explain gems, but it does not, which sucks |
| 14:15.33 | evrenkan86 | valdyn they said its about lvm |
| 14:15.43 | valdyn | evrenkan86: now what has that to do with your swap partition? |
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| 14:16.22 | nuskool | mkdosfs: failed whilst writing FAT <--- that's no fun |
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| 14:16.26 | valdyn | evrenkan86: look into what fc4 does to mount its /, if lvm is involved it wont be hda3 |
| 14:16.32 | Anthro | valdyn: It appears that, by default, gem installs in /usr and subsequent gems are also installed in /usr. I am now trying to figure out how to make it install in /usr/local instead. |
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| 14:17.39 | Maulkin | nuskool: did you rewrite the partition table with cfdisk? |
| 14:17.50 | nuskool | oh no |
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| 14:18.35 | valdyn | Anthro: apt-cache show ruby-pkg-tools |
| 14:18.41 | valdyn | Anthro: ( if that is in sarge ) |
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| 14:19.20 | valdyn | !info ruby-pkg-tools |
| 14:19.24 | Anthro | valdyn: I'm using etch/sid anyway |
| 14:19.31 | dpkg | ruby-pkg-tools: (Tools for building Debian Ruby packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.3 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 14:19.31 | valdyn | Anthro: its in sid ) |
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| 14:19.53 | valdyn | Anthro: seems to use gems, just not mention the name in the description |
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| 14:20.17 | Anthro | valdyn: Interesting. I'll install it and see what magic it does. |
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| 14:25.09 | pdr- | somebody knows in wich package is located X11/Xauth.h ?? |
| 14:25.15 | jm_ | pdr-: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:25.18 | SerajewelKS | pdr-: packages.debian.org |
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| 14:28.36 | lgd | hi all |
| 14:28.48 | lgd | i have a problem with editor under gnome |
| 14:29.03 | lgd | the string of text is broken |
| 14:29.08 | azeem | lgd: do you mean gedit? |
| 14:29.17 | lgd | no gedit |
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| 14:29.23 | lgd | anjuta and scite |
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| 14:29.54 | lgd | text in there editor is broken |
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| 14:31.02 | lunaphyte_ | how can i find out what a network interface negotiated for speed/duplex? |
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| 14:31.15 | jm_ | mii tools, ethtool, logs |
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| 14:31.41 | lunaphyte_ | thanks |
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| 14:33.23 | nukeu666 | i just did a net-install...2.4 kernel...how do i make it detect the 945gl chipset...right now the max res is stuck on 800x600 |
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| 14:33.51 | nukeu666 | ive tried xf86conf and dpkg reconfigure xserver |
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| 14:36.23 | Spooky2 | Good afternoon people :) |
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| 14:37.15 | Spooky2 | If you have an SMTP server and you have another one with a lower MX priority.... how do you colloborate the email back into one spool so that email can be pulled from ONE location via POP3 ? |
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| 14:37.34 | joaquinz | hi |
| 14:37.43 | joaquinz | i've some trouble with php, apache and mysql |
| 14:37.46 | Spooky2 | Or do i just setup .forwards/.procmail from the backup MX SMTP server back to the first one ? |
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| 14:37.49 | Gnea | Spooky2: fetchmail |
| 14:38.03 | hmakholm | Spooky2: Configure the backup server to send all mail for the domain in question to the master one. |
| 14:38.06 | joaquinz | it says to me that mysql functions such mysql_connect or mysql_select_db doesnt exist |
| 14:38.14 | petemc | Spooky2: personally, i just wouldnt bother with a secondary mx these days, too much hassle |
| 14:38.20 | Spooky2 | Gnea: I run fetchamil from the main one to suck from the backup ? |
| 14:38.30 | joaquinz | i dont know what to do :( |
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| 14:38.31 | Spooky2 | petemc: yeah tell me about it lol. |
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| 14:38.43 | Gnea | Spooky2: basically, you'd need some sort of system in place to make sure it doesn't dupe |
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| 14:38.57 | joaquinz | i've already installed every thing i think i need |
| 14:39.00 | Whisky_ | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 14:39.02 | petemc | the secondary should just queue the mail until the primary is up |
| 14:39.04 | Spooky2 | Gnea: yeah and also need to watch out for Mail Loops |
| 14:39.06 | Whisky_ | what do I have to do to solve this ? |
| 14:39.19 | nulltrics | anybody can help me with an serveraid 8i? |
| 14:39.22 | joaquinz | php4-mysql, libapache2-mod-php4 libapache2-auth-mysql :S |
| 14:39.34 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Do you have a C compiler installed? |
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| 14:39.37 | joaquinz | everything :( |
| 14:39.43 | Spooky2 | petemc: So the secondary shouldn't actually serve the email then ? In which case the fetchmail solution would work fine I guess. |
| 14:40.12 | pdr- | que ladilla los errores de compilacion despues de 2 hrs |
| 14:40.13 | Spooky2 | petemc, Gnea : I was just wondering what the sysadmins did in this situation, since it must be a common dilema! |
| 14:40.16 | hmakholm | Spooky2: The backup server should actively push the queued mail when the master comes up. |
| 14:40.19 | petemc | Spooky2: you shouldnt need fetchmail |
| 14:40.24 | joaquinz | any idea ? |
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| 14:40.27 | hmakholm | Spooky2: Which MTA are you running as the backup server? |
| 14:40.33 | Spooky2 | hmakholm: exim |
| 14:40.50 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, This is a new Debian installation. How do I install it? I have all 14 discs. |
| 14:40.53 | hmakholm | Spooky2: Sorry, I'm a postfix person. |
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| 14:41.03 | Spooky2 | hmakholm: OK. |
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| 14:41.25 | pepsi_ | how do I convince my pal, not to install unstable packages in a testing environment? is there any faq/url about that issue? |
| 14:41.32 | joaquinz | ?? |
| 14:41.35 | Spooky2 | petemc: Well in that case I can get the backup to try deliver to the primary , but i have to be careful of mail loops this way. with fetchmail there would be no mail loop |
| 14:41.36 | petemc | Spooky2: have the domain in relay_domains and exim should do the right thing |
| 14:41.39 | jm_ | pepsi_: try sid faq |
| 14:41.41 | hmakholm | Whisky_: If you're trying to compile software, it would be a good idea to "apt-get install build-essential". |
| 14:41.47 | Spooky2 | petemc: OK |
| 14:42.07 | pepsi_ | jm_: you got any url on that? |
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| 14:42.15 | pepsi_ | jm_: no luck with google |
| 14:42.23 | petemc | Spooky2: but really, you should lose the secondary |
| 14:42.27 | Spooky2 | petemc: But will exim "know" that it's the backup smtp without some config options setting it so ? |
| 14:42.31 | petemc | Spooky2: yes |
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| 14:42.35 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, That gives me some dependency errors. |
| 14:42.56 | Nz17 | I use gdm. How can I make a program automatically run on X login for all users? |
| 14:43.03 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Dependency errors on a new installation? Are you trying to run some kind of mixed stable/testing/unstable system? |
| 14:43.28 | Whisky_ | Yup, unstable and stable :S |
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| 14:44.31 | Spooky2 | petemc: Thanks for your suggestions I will give it a whirl. Wish me luck! :) |
| 14:44.32 | Nz17 | Isn't there some sort of master .xsession file? |
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| 14:45.00 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Hm, try one step at a time. Fire up aptitude and try to install gcc. |
| 14:45.23 | nukeu666 | isnt upgrading to unstable after doing a stable install a good idea? |
| 14:45.32 | pepsi_ | a debian noob, running testing, should _not_ try to install unstable packages, right?! |
| 14:45.38 | madclicker | is udev still the main hotplug managment deamon? |
| 14:45.39 | hmakholm | nukeu666: Not unless you know exactly why you want that. |
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| 14:46.03 | Spooky2 | pepsi_: a debian noob should be running stable. |
| 14:46.07 | hmakholm | nukeu666: (or rather: If you have to ask, you don't want it) |
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| 14:46.49 | Spooky2 | pepsi_: Mind you, if you let them wreck their box a few times they'll learn happily by trial and error. |
| 14:47.23 | nukeu666 | i just installed deb testing netinstall...i know the hdd is sata but its detected as ide with DMA=0...what do i do? |
| 14:47.24 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, GCC's already installed :/ |
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| 14:47.33 | Roey | hi |
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| 14:47.35 | pepsi_ | Spooky2: stable does not have very many packages, right? like good versions of gaim etc |
| 14:47.47 | blondie | LOLOLOLOL |
| 14:47.52 | hmakholm | Whisky_: OK, jumped to quickly to a conclusion, then. What is the software you are trying to compile? |
| 14:47.57 | mdjake | Hello |
| 14:48.02 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, Xchat 2.6 |
| 14:48.04 | Roey | I wonder if Xen works with 2.6.14.3, and if so, if there's a link to the Xen patches for it |
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| 14:48.32 | mirko | hi |
| 14:48.44 | hmakholm | Whisky_: And its configure script fails? |
| 14:48.48 | mirko | my kernel boot now, but it can't load modules... |
| 14:49.03 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, Exactly |
| 14:49.07 | mirko | for some modules (not all) it gets a FATAL message |
| 14:49.24 | Spooky2 | pepsi_: Stable has thousands of packages. If there isn't one that you need you can always build your own .deb package and install it on stable. |
| 14:49.28 | mirko | fatal_: module <module_name> not found |
| 14:49.30 | hmakholm | hmakholm: There should be some clue as to what went wrong at the end of the config.log file. |
| 14:49.42 | Spooky2 | pepsi_: No need to run unstable just because there's one package you want |
| 14:50.20 | pepsi_ | Spooky2: okey.. well, I was once told once, that I was really doing something that I shouldnt when I started adding unstable to my source.list on a testing-system |
| 14:50.35 | mirko | there seems to be a problem about udev, as since I've installed it, some devices doesn't work (eg. the mouse), Xorg doesn't start and the modules aren't loaded into kernel...sigh |
| 14:50.57 | nulltrics | anybody have a serveraid 8i? |
| 14:51.11 | Whisky_ | configure: exit 77 |
| 14:51.13 | Spooky2 | pepsi_: What were you running ?mixed sources ? or just an upgrade from testing to stable ? |
| 14:51.23 | mdjake | can somebody give me some advice in iptables... |
| 14:51.25 | Spooky2 | sorry upgrade from testing to UNSTABLE |
| 14:51.39 | Spooky2 | mdjake: perhaps i can help, what's the prob |
| 14:51.56 | mirko | noone knows? |
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| 14:52.18 | Spooky2 | mirko: Custom kernel or a kernel package ? |
| 14:52.20 | pepsi_ | Spooky2: I hade a testing-system, and there was no testing-dist-packet for the program I wanted, so I added an unstable source and installed the package that way |
| 14:52.22 | mdjake | I have a simple server which acts also an internet connection device. It has two interfaces eth0 and ra0. Eth0 is a simple wired NIC while ra0 is a wireless card. The machine connects to the net through eth0 and masquerades towards ra0. I'd like to restrict that only my laptop can connect to my wireless lan with iptables mac-source filtering. |
| 14:52.25 | hmakholm | Whisky_: There should be some clue as to what went wrong at the end of the config.log file. |
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| 14:52.33 | cheal | mirko: like which module? |
| 14:52.33 | mirko | Spooky2 custom kernel |
| 14:52.34 | hmakholm | (Speaking to oneself is no fun) |
| 14:52.54 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, all good stuff with "configure: exit 77" at the end |
| 14:52.57 | Spooky2 | mirko: and you made all your modules ? |
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| 14:53.15 | Spooky2 | mdjake: OK and what's the prob ? |
| 14:53.17 | mirko | cheal like ide-cd, ide-generic, sg, psmouse, sbp2 |
| 14:53.25 | xored | iam gonna setup a debian machine as a router. I setted up stable sarge, ethernet is setup. How should i configure the routing now ? |
| 14:53.32 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Can you show the last, oh, 20, lines? (Use a pastebot or #paste) |
| 14:53.39 | Whisky_ | ok!@ |
| 14:53.44 | cheal | Spooky2: FYI, Custom or stock kernel |
| 14:53.56 | cheal | mirko: which kernel do you run? |
| 14:54.04 | mirko | cheal 2.6.14 |
| 14:54.13 | cheal | mirko: which debian revision? |
| 14:54.19 | mirko | cheal: unstable |
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| 14:54.35 | mdjake | I tried iptables -A FORWARD -m mac --mac-source ! xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx -i ra0 -j DROP but this doesn't work |
| 14:54.38 | Spooky2 | mdjake: just do something like --mac-source 00:50:fa:e3:a3:35 -j ACCEPT and have a -j DROP after |
| 14:54.57 | mirko | well, even the eth0 device is not seen |
| 14:55.04 | cheal | mirko: so that would be 2.6.14-5? are you sure it's not just 343042/343048? |
| 14:55.19 | mirko | ??? |
| 14:55.20 | fatal_ | xored: there are several howtos for different scenarios.... useful hints: http://netfilter.org, http://lartc.org, apt-get install iproute, /etc/sysctl.conf, /etc/network/options, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:55.34 | Spooky2 | mdjake: why not use logging to help you |
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| 14:56.14 | mirko | with udev, the device of ethernet board is the same?? |
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| 14:56.37 | mdjake | Spooky2: minute |
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| 14:56.56 | mirko | cheal : it's about 5 days that I've this problem with my laptop |
| 14:57.03 | cheal | mirko: OK |
| 14:57.12 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Hm, the culprit must be farther up than that .. it seems that, having encountered an error, the configure script ends by dumping the status of some internal files. Try to search for the error message in the log file instead, then. |
| 14:57.30 | cheal | mirko: why do you use a custom kernel? |
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| 14:57.43 | fatal_ | mirko: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#example-iface |
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| 14:57.49 | xored | how to setup a router on a debian server |
| 14:57.50 | Spooky2 | mdjake: iptables -I FORWARD 1 -i ra0 -j LOG : iptables -I FORWARD 2 -m mac --mac-source ! 00:50:fa:e3:a3:35 -i ra0 -j DROP |
| 14:57.54 | mirko | fatal_ i go now. |
| 14:58.05 | Luftzig | 'lo everyone. how do I set what display manager to run at system boot up? |
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| 14:58.07 | fatal_ | !tell xored about repeat |
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| 14:58.22 | mirko | cheal : because I need:) |
| 14:58.23 | Spooky2 | mdjake: you will get a log of all packets coming in on ra0 so you will be able to see why the 2nd rule is not dropping them ! |
| 14:58.43 | Spooky2 | mdjake: however........ it makes more sense to use an INPUT rule to drop devices connecting to your wireless card |
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| 14:58.50 | cheal | mirko: hopefully, but that doesn't help you get much help |
| 14:59.03 | sparr_ | where can i find information on building a nvidia driver package the 'right' way? |
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| 14:59.14 | cheal | !tell sparr_ about nvidia-howto |
| 14:59.19 | Spooky2 | mdjake: iptables -I INPUT 1 -i ra0 -m mac --mac-source ! 00:50:fa:e3:a3:35 -j DROP |
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| 14:59.42 | mirko | cheal: for example, with udev the eth0 device does have another name? |
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| 14:59.53 | Spooky2 | mdjake: forward rules only get used for traffic that needs to navigate interfaces. since your laptop is just connecting it doesn't go through your FORWARD rules that's why the packet isn't dropped |
| 15:00.00 | Spooky2 | mdjake: if you use the input table, it will work. |
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| 15:00.09 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Do you have libc6-dev installed? |
| 15:00.10 | cheal | mirko: it's possible that ethernet devices change number depending on whether udev is installed |
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| 15:00.37 | DrGamut | totally off topic emergency, a frog my mother kept in a fishtank...well..cat knocked the fishtank thingy over, so I gotta replace the water in it and stuff |
| 15:00.41 | DrGamut | would faucet water kill him? too cold? |
| 15:00.44 | DrGamut | do I have to make it warm? |
| 15:00.59 | mirko | cheal and how can I discover if that's happened? |
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| 15:01.06 | Spooky2 | cheal: if you use hotplug it messes your nic's up. it uses a different order. |
| 15:01.17 | boycer | DrGamut: What kernel are you using :) |
| 15:01.30 | Spooky2 | mdjake: did you read what I wrote ? |
| 15:01.34 | boycer | DrGamut: is this a stable or testing frog? |
| 15:01.42 | boycer | DrGamut: and other crappy jokes.... |
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| 15:02.03 | fatal_ | DrGamut: totally offtopic, what does faucet mean? .... (there was a set of software named "faucet" used for shell-scripting with sockets). |
| 15:02.05 | mirko | the dev/ directory is the same as before to me... |
| 15:02.18 | boycer | fatal_: it means tap. |
| 15:02.19 | bbrazil | fatal_: tap |
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| 15:02.35 | cheal | mirko: why do you ask me, I already asked you a question |
| 15:02.43 | sparr_ | cheal: thanks. now that the official packages are a thousand builds out of date i figure its time to learn how to keep current on my own |
| 15:02.56 | mdjake | Spooky2: I'm trying... but I also have a MASQUERADE rule (iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE) maybe packets get masqueraded before entering the INPUT chain? |
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| 15:03.02 | cheal | sparr_: which release do you run?& |
| 15:03.06 | quitte | boycer: it should have pretty much the same temperature as the frog has |
| 15:03.07 | sparr_ | cheal: unstable |
| 15:03.13 | quitte | DrGamut: ^^ |
| 15:03.17 | fatal_ | boycer, bbrazil: thanks. |
| 15:03.28 | cheal | sparr_: how are the official packages a thousand builds out of date then? |
| 15:03.32 | npx | man, sparr, current is overrated |
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| 15:03.49 | sparr_ | cheal: err, 7174 is whats packaged, and nvidia put out 8174 recently |
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| 15:03.51 | quitte | boycer: apart from that it should be ok. frogs breathe air so o˛ content of water isnt important |
| 15:03.59 | quitte | bah. DrGamut ^^ |
| 15:04.03 | cheal | !info nvidia-glx |
| 15:04.04 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8174-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3105 kB, Installed size: 10320 kB |
| 15:04.15 | sparr_ | omg, new packages! |
| 15:04.19 | cheal | sparr_: looks like something's wrong on your side |
| 15:04.28 | npx | sparr, your mirror could very well suck |
| 15:04.44 | boycer | DrGamut: one way to tell - put the frog in, see whether it syas 'too hot' or 'too cold'. |
| 15:04.46 | mirko | cheal: I'd like to compile my custom kernel because the kernel image that came with debian it's too huge and full of things which aren't useful to me. in addiction, it's with a smaller kernel I could find what I seek spending less time than now. |
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| 15:04.59 | npx | mirko, that' |
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| 15:05.04 | npx | mirko, that's not really true |
| 15:05.12 | Spooky2 | mdjake: the -t nat get's done either pre-routing or post-routing depending on what you're doing (DNAT, or NAT) |
| 15:05.14 | npx | all the unnecessary components are built as modules |
| 15:05.29 | npx | you won't really notice a performance difference once you've installed the kernel binary for your architecture |
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| 15:05.42 | npx | Assuming they're the same version of the kernel |
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| 15:06.02 | Luftzig | how do set what the system runs at startup? |
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| 15:06.07 | cheal | mirko: that's what you call "need it"? |
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| 15:06.35 | sparr_ | cheal: i updated on friday, 7174 was the newest. glad to see the new ones are out finally, doing without 76xx for a month was annoying |
| 15:06.43 | fatal_ | Luftzig: there's a tool called update-rc.d, which you can use to configure the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/ .... |
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| 15:06.57 | cheal | sparr_: are the new drivers so much better? |
| 15:07.01 | Spooky2 | mdjake: you should only be using MASQUERADE if it's a connectiont that goes up and down and you want to retain statisctics otherwise you should use SNAT |
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| 15:07.06 | hmakholm | Luftzig: In general, by adding and removing stuff from /etc/rc*.d - but what are you trying to do? |
| 15:07.08 | sparr_ | cheal: very much so |
| 15:07.13 | npx | Yeah, nvidia drivers tend to get quite a bit better with each release |
| 15:07.14 | Spooky2 | mdjake: it clearly states this in the man page |
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| 15:07.14 | cheal | mirko: anyway, in that case I can only recommend you to try with the stock kernels |
| 15:07.18 | Luftzig | fatal_, thanks. |
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| 15:07.35 | xored | how to setup a router on a debian server ? I have eth1 as internal and eth0 as internet(cable) |
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| 15:07.41 | mirko | cheal, that's not a good solution |
| 15:07.57 | mirko | as I'm USING a stock kernel in this moment |
| 15:07.59 | mdjake | Spooky2: iiptables -I INPUT 1 -i ra0 -m mac --mac-source ! 00:50:fa:e3:a3:35 -j DROP seems to work for me |
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| 15:08.08 | mdjake | Spooky2: thank you very much |
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| 15:08.11 | cheal | mirko: knowing whether your problems are specific to your custom kernel can help people help you |
| 15:08.23 | fatal_ | xored: try asking again, three times is probably not enough. |
| 15:08.26 | sparr_ | cheal: in particular, render to texture works now |
| 15:08.34 | Spooky2 | mdjake: you're welcome |
| 15:08.34 | sparr_ | with the latest drivers i can have scoreboards in ut2k4 |
| 15:08.35 | Luftzig | hmakholm, I'm trying to 1. set some login that runs my favoraite WM. 2, run some session manager which remembers which layout I use for each window |
| 15:08.37 | valdyn | mirko: you are obviously not understanding how a modular kernel works. This is not a good start to make your custom kernel even near as good as the default debian kernel is |
| 15:08.48 | liran | has anyone experienced deploying ipsec vpns on 2.4 kernels? |
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| 15:09.02 | hmakholm | Luftzig: Ah, then that is not at boot time, but per-account configuration, right? |
| 15:09.29 | nuskool | can anyone tell me why my kernel is detecting my sound card but there is no /dev/dsp listed in my device directory? |
| 15:09.34 | npx | Yeah. The default debian kernel is built by people who know exactly what they're doing - it includes a -lot- of patches and |
| 15:09.36 | hmakholm | Luftzig: (or a display-manager issue. In any case nothing that update-rc.d is the best tool for). |
| 15:09.47 | npx | well, you're probably not going to do a better job |
| 15:10.25 | mirko | npx I'm not saying the debian stock kernel is wrong...it's surely (not probably, as u say) better than mine. |
| 15:10.26 | bonz | nuskool: no because we cant read your mind |
| 15:10.36 | fatal_ | mirko: the device nodes in /dev doesn't depend on your kernel.... with a static /dev, all possible device nodes always exists... with a (udev) dynamic /dev, the device nodes which you have hardware (plus some hardcoded ones) exists... |
| 15:10.45 | nuskool | bonz: what do you need to know? |
| 15:10.51 | Luftzig | hmakholm, I think only the second. When the system boots, I get xdm at the end, which i'll rather some other... whatever it's called |
| 15:11.02 | nuskool | bonz: and I'm thinking about monkeys with foam rubber bats |
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| 15:11.14 | sparr_ | cheal: ok... ive updated and apt-cache still shows 7174 for all the nvidia packages |
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| 15:11.41 | mirko | fatal_ tnx |
| 15:11.46 | valdyn | sparr_: you are using stable |
| 15:12.05 | sparr_ | valdyn: only when i have to |
| 15:12.11 | Spooky2 | mdjake: Since SNAT gets done post-routing and an input chain doesn't involve routing I'd imagine that your nat rules would never interfere with what you have in your input chain however the pre-routing chain COULD interfere with it. But you'd have to ask a pro ;) |
| 15:12.16 | valdyn | sparr_: 7174 is only in stable |
| 15:12.23 | fatal_ | mirko: and there's no device nodes for network interfaces.... (I recall you talking about something like that earlier). |
| 15:12.25 | cheal | valdyn: it's in testing too |
| 15:12.30 | sparr_ | valdyn: i fail to see how that helps |
| 15:12.36 | valdyn | cheal: oh it still is? |
| 15:12.41 | cheal | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 15:13.15 | Spooky2 | mdjake: ipchains used to use all three chains for a path of a packet but iptables only traverses one chain. Some nat operations will never be valid for certain paths ;) |
| 15:13.17 | valdyn | !test |
| 15:13.18 | dpkg | Yes, valdyn, you're still online. |
| 15:13.31 | hmakholm | Luftzig: If you have another display manager (e.g. gdm or kdm) installed and would like to use that, edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 15:13.35 | cheal | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 15:13.50 | valdyn | nice |
| 15:13.53 | cheal | sparr_: I thought I was rude to tell you that "something's wrong on your side", but it may be true |
| 15:13.54 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
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| 15:14.11 | sparr_ | do i need to take stable and testing out of my sources? they havent interfered with getting the latest packages from unstable before |
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| 15:14.21 | Luftzig | hmakholm, ok. and how do I set some apps to run when I log? |
| 15:14.33 | valdyn | sparr_: apt-cache wont just show the newest available, it will show all |
| 15:14.34 | cheal | sparr_: shrug, you should really master APT if you use unstable |
| 15:14.43 | sparr_ | cheal: i agree |
| 15:15.02 | fatal_ | Spooky2: iptables stuff goes through multiple chains too.... ie. -t nat -A FORWARD -j DNAT and -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j DNAT is both valid.... |
| 15:15.07 | cheal | sparr_: it may be your mirror lagging a bit since the upload is recent |
| 15:15.09 | sparr_ | valdyn: excellent observation. i do see 8174 further up the list. |
| 15:15.42 | fatal_ | Spooky2: err.... oh, well... you probably get the point anyway... ;) |
| 15:15.53 | sparr_ | how do i go about making m-a use unstable? |
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| 15:16.02 | hmakholm | Luftzig: Most primitively, by writing an ~/.xsession file. But the desktop environment (kde, gnome) probably have a slicker and more integrated way - which I don't know. |
| 15:16.06 | sparr_ | the howto sorta skips over that |
| 15:16.14 | valdyn | sparr_: i would backport this |
| 15:16.27 | sparr_ | what? |
| 15:16.41 | Spooky2 | fatal_: yes multiple chains in multiple tables |
| 15:16.51 | cheal | sparr_: it shouldn't be complicated to get a release's package version if you run that release |
| 15:16.58 | Spooky2 | fatal_: and multiple user defined chains... but a packet never goes through input then forward then output |
| 15:17.03 | sparr_ | cheal: i agree entirely |
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| 15:17.22 | Spooky2 | fatal_: Like it used to in chains. In fact some routes are actually impossible chain routes. |
| 15:17.24 | Luftzig | hmakholm, I don't use a desktop enviroment. the .xsession file is simply a list of apps i want to run? |
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| 15:17.56 | sparr_ | cheal: but that seems to be an unpopular opinion around here |
| 15:17.57 | xored | how to setup a router on a debian server ? I have eth1 as internal and eth0 as internet(cable) |
| 15:18.24 | cheal | sparr_: really? why don't you just try to run m-a? |
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| 15:18.33 | sparr_ | cheal: m-a downloads 7174 |
| 15:18.34 | hmakholm | Luftzig: .xsession is a script that gets run when you log in. Once the .xsession script terminates, your login gets forcibly destroyed. |
| 15:19.28 | hmakholm | Luftzig: The default .xsession script is /etc/X11/Xsession; if you write your own the default will _not_ get run, so it is a good idea to start by copying that. |
| 15:19.38 | bonz | xored: how long is a piece of string? depends on lots of things, what dist, whether you want too use ipfwadm, ipchains, iptables, squid, dns, etc, etc |
| 15:19.48 | sparr_ | Version 1.0.7174-4+2.6.14-1 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-1-k7 already installed, skipping. |
| 15:19.51 | cheal | sparr_: after an m-a update ? |
| 15:20.11 | Luftzig | hmakholm, thanks. one last thing, what's a session manager? |
| 15:20.26 | hmakholm | Luftzig: Ignore my latest comment about default .xsession. That is false. |
| 15:20.32 | sparr_ | cheal: no. thanks |
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| 15:21.10 | bizkit | how can i find all subdirs in current which are owned by gid 3000? |
| 15:21.19 | valdyn | sparr_: m-a -s a-i nvidia grabs the same release? |
| 15:21.23 | npx | bonz, I'd just apt-get install ipmasq to set up your basic NAT router |
| 15:21.27 | hmakholm | Luftzig: A session manager is the part of the desktop environment software that runs for the entire duration of your session and (optionally) makes sure that windows etc. are recreated at the position they had when you logged out last. |
| 15:21.31 | sinned | can i make automount run a script when a device is mounted? |
| 15:21.54 | sparr_ | valdyn: it did. after an update it gets 8174 |
| 15:22.03 | bonz | npx: I dont need too my router is configured already |
| 15:22.06 | hmakholm | Luftzig: A window manager can double duty as session manager (and will, in the default setup) - but you will not get automatic window restoration etc. then. |
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| 15:22.34 | Luftzig | hmakholm, ok. cool. I looking at /etc/X11/Xsession right now and can't make a lot sense out of it |
| 15:22.40 | npx | bonz, well you can get basic NAT functionality going in about 20 seconds in Debian once you've got your internet and LAN connections configured |
| 15:22.41 | Eclipser | why would PCI support in kernel menuconfig have "---" on it... |
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| 15:23.07 | npx | bonz, using either ipmasq, shorewall, or a firewall ruleset of your own |
| 15:23.14 | Stereo | I need to allow .htaccess in one of the directories I have in /var/www with apache2. What's the clean way of doing this? Create a new file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ ? |
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| 15:23.34 | De_Mon | bonz unless you type really slow ;) |
| 15:23.42 | npx | yeah =) |
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| 15:23.48 | PerfDave | sparr_: You could download the .deb for nvidia-kernel-source from unstable, install it with dpkg, and then run m-a? (just to check, you are removing / purging that package when trying to persuade m-a to grab it from unstable, right?) |
| 15:23.50 | bonz | npx: I know that, but xored was a bit vague about what it wanted, getting nat going & having a secure well functioning router can be as different as chalk & cheese |
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| 15:24.08 | hmakholm | Luftzig: Ignore /etc/X11/Xsession. I thought it was the default .xsession, but I was mistaken. It's a different piece of infrastructure that users normally don't have to look at. |
| 15:24.25 | npx | bonz, shorewall is as full-featured as anything I've ever used |
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| 15:24.28 | npx | and pretty secure by default |
| 15:24.32 | sparr_ | PerfDave: its working fine after an update. |
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| 15:24.41 | npx | ipmasq has very reasonable defaults as well |
| 15:24.43 | sparr_ | thanks cheal, valdyn, PerfDave |
| 15:24.47 | Luftzig | hmakholm, ok. so what is the relevant file for me? |
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| 15:25.05 | bonz | npx: congratulations |
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| 15:25.21 | valdyn | Eclipser: you have selected something that depends on it, so you cant unselect it |
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| 15:25.24 | npx | wtf? |
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| 15:25.35 | npx | is that your thing? you ask an open-ended question then act like an ass when someone gives you a decent answer? |
| 15:25.36 | Eclipser | valdyn, you mean something that it depends |
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| 15:25.59 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 15:26.01 | valdyn | Eclipser: you have selected something elsewhere that depends on PCI |
| 15:26.11 | Eclipser | it says that it depends on !X86_VOYAGER and !X86_VISWS, I have X86_PC selected... |
| 15:26.27 | Eclipser | erm |
| 15:26.39 | Eclipser | ah yes so it's _enabled_ and can't be disabled |
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| 15:26.54 | Eclipser | I thought it meant it can't be enabled... |
| 15:27.02 | hmakholm | Luftzig: I don't think there is actually a default. The basic functionality corresponds to a file of two lines: "#!/bin/sh" and "exec x-window-manager". Between them you can put other commands that you want to run before handing over to the WM. |
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| 15:27.16 | hmakholm | hmakholm: (And remember to set the executable bit on the file). |
| 15:27.33 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, back. so whats up with those errors in the logs? |
| 15:27.34 | hmakholm | Luftzig:^^^ that was for you, sorry. |
| 15:27.45 | sphenxes | I found that Linksys should works fine with linux however, on Amazon.de if have only found (Linksys WMP54GS Wireless-G PCI Adapter with SpeedBooster 54Mbit) with speedbooster. my question: does this speedbooster version works with linux as well. I tried google but can't find direct answer. Second Is linksys working fine with linux or should I try something else as Netgear |
| 15:28.00 | Kluster_v2 | I get this problem when I try to remove a package that couldn't be installed correctly: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 15:28.02 | hmakholm | Whisky_: You lack libc6-dev. Which means that you also need a lot of other library packages. |
| 15:28.08 | Kluster_v2 | but I cannot re-install it to remove it |
| 15:28.09 | Whisky_ | :S |
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| 15:28.14 | Whisky_ | how much downloading to do? |
| 15:28.20 | jair | guys if I has been trying to make a soound card on a old compaq deskpro works and I fail it is any other alternative? beside the ALSA drivers? |
| 15:28.26 | npx | Whisky_, install build-essential |
| 15:28.27 | Luftzig | hmakholm, but what's the file called? |
| 15:28.43 | Whisky_ | npx, I end up with dependencies |
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| 15:28.49 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Your general strategy would be to get build-essential to install cleanly; then get "apt-get build-dep xchat" to run without complaining. Fiddle with aptitude as necessary. |
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| 15:29.10 | hmakholm | Luftzig: It must be called .xsession and live in your home directory. |
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| 15:29.26 | Whisky_ | this sucks :X |
| 15:29.31 | jair | I will write down the name of the card recognized by alsa |
| 15:29.33 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Try using the full-screen aptitude mode to resolve your dependency problems. |
| 15:29.37 | Luftzig | hmakholm, and if it's not exitent, make one? |
| 15:29.46 | valdyn | jair: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 15:29.53 | bcl | Morning guys. I've got a problem with a 1/2 installed package I need help with. |
| 15:29.55 | bcl | I tried to install a newer version of libgcc1 (trying to get transcode to work) and it didn't finish and now synaptic wants to remove a crudload of stuff in order to 'fix it' |
| 15:30.18 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Welcome to the wonderful world of partially-unstable systems. |
| 15:30.26 | Whisky_ | :| |
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| 15:30.32 | bcl | How do I make the system 'forget' about the attempted install? It didn't finish since it wanted a newer libc6 |
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| 15:30.49 | hmakholm | Luftzig: Yes, just make one. (And again: be sure to set the x bit on it, or it won't do anything). |
| 15:30.53 | Whisky_ | geez, Xchat 2.6 is wayyyy stable now but Debian doesnt put it in the stable packages, Why? |
| 15:30.54 | bcl | And I sure don't want to go any further with that experiment! |
| 15:31.10 | Luftzig | hmakholm, thanks |
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| 15:31.42 | hmakholm | Luftzig: Also, be sure to end your commands with & unless you want to delay starting the window manager until the command has finished... |
| 15:31.44 | valdyn | Whisky_: debian/stable = released debian that does not get software updates, unless its security or severe bug fixes |
| 15:31.46 | azeem | Whisky_: because "stable packages" means they don't get changed |
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| 15:32.02 | PerfDave | Until a new release of Debian happens ;) |
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| 15:32.15 | Xg | hi everyone! |
| 15:32.18 | Luftzig | hmakholm, oh, ok. |
| 15:32.19 | Whisky_ | whens sid going to be released? :S |
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| 15:32.25 | azeem | Whisky_: never |
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| 15:32.43 | Whisky_ | :\ |
| 15:33.00 | azeem | Whisky_: unstable never gets released, only testing does |
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| 15:33.31 | npx | I propose that Debian remove the 'b' from stable. |
| 15:33.32 | Xg | I wanna know if I can find the dvd-iso of the last relese of debian |
| 15:33.36 | Xg | ? |
| 15:33.49 | Xg | here |
| 15:33.50 | Whisky_ | But Sarge was also unstable at some instant? |
| 15:34.03 | petemc | npx: what are you doing to help spead up the release process? |
| 15:34.05 | valdyn | Whisky_: no |
| 15:34.12 | petemc | s/spea/spee/ |
| 15:34.16 | nukeu666 | xg:http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 15:34.21 | Tak | anybody having an issue with OOo 2.0 crashing with "The program cannot be started. iso resource could not be loaded by SfxApplication" |
| 15:35.07 | PerfDave | Whisky_: No, Sarge was never unstable. Sid is unstable. Sarge was testing and is now stable, Etch is now testing and will be stable, probably around Christmas next year. |
| 15:35.08 | Whisky_ | ooh next year :| |
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| 15:35.09 | hmakholm | Xg: Start at www.debian.org, click "Getting Debian" and follow the links. |
| 15:35.11 | eigenlambda | oh come on, the packages in sarge were all unstable at the same time at one point |
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| 15:35.33 | PerfDave | eigenlambda: Sarge was never the unstable branch of Debian. |
| 15:35.35 | Xg | I try with bt source, but is too slow |
| 15:35.37 | Xg | !!! |
| 15:35.38 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 15:35.45 | eigenlambda | etch is a cool name |
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| 15:36.27 | valdyn | eigenlambda: they were _in_ unstable ( and not all, bug probably most ) |
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| 15:36.30 | hmakholm | eigenlambda: No, the package versions that now make up sarge may have been in unstable at completely different times. |
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| 15:36.37 | nukeu666 | Xg:use this link for http downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 15:36.52 | PerfDave | Xg: Torrents tend to speed up the longer you've been using them. It'll be faster if your Bittorrent client is remotely connectable, allowing you to share the bandwidth load. |
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| 15:37.43 | nukeu666 | my SATA hdd is being detected as IDE using DMA 0...how can i fix it |
| 15:37.53 | Eulex | nukeu666, what kernel? |
| 15:38.00 | Xg | i have 1mb/s connection, but I don't get speeds up to 40 |
| 15:38.08 | nukeu666 | 2.4.something...latest testing |
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| 15:38.26 | bizkit | ne, anderes rechenzentrum |
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| 15:38.35 | bizkit | sorry.. |
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| 15:39.00 | PerfDave | Xg: Is your bittorrent client remotely connectable? If not, other users will punish you for leeching, and you won't get much bandwidth. |
| 15:39.01 | Eulex | nukeu666, 2.4 uses scsi emulation. thus your sata hdd is detected as ide. |
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| 15:39.07 | azeem | nukeu666: that link you advertised is for testing, not the "latest release" |
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| 15:39.34 | nukeu666 | azeem:ya...get the stable link from the site |
| 15:39.40 | Spooky2 | petemc: you there ? |
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| 15:39.52 | botsy__ | do you know if on windows it's possible to enable X11 when i connect on ssh with putty or cygwin ... what's the better for this ... putty or cygwin ? |
| 15:39.52 | nukeu666 | eulex:will i have to install 2.6 for proper sata? |
| 15:40.00 | valdyn | nukeu666: you have proper sata |
| 15:40.04 | Xg | I want the DVD-iso, and when I try to download by http it say that the size is 369Mb |
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| 15:40.35 | hmakholm | botsy__: You would need an X server on the windows side. Which is not, strictly speaking, a Debian issue. |
| 15:40.39 | nukeu666 | Xg:that sometimes happens with old version of downloaders...upgrade wget and try...else use a dif mirror |
| 15:40.40 | Tak | botsy__: you need cygwin for X, but either putty or a cygwin terminal will work |
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| 15:40.49 | Maakuth | botsy__, from pexus.com you can download free x server, and putty can be used to tunnel ite |
| 15:40.52 | Maakuth | *it |
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| 15:40.57 | Brox | my xorg sometimes quits (like just now) how can i find out wats going on? |
| 15:40.57 | Eulex | nukeu666, to get it detected as sata, yes. I don't know if scsi emulation could hurt performance. amybe it could. you could try out hdparm -Tt and see if you'd expect higher speeds. |
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| 15:41.06 | botsy__ | ok thank Maakuth |
| 15:41.10 | Maakuth | botsy__, /var/log/Xorg*log |
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| 15:41.31 | hmakholm | Brox: Maakuth's comment was for you. |
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| 15:41.38 | plb | cool...according to netcraft debian is the fastest growing web server distro http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/05/strong_growth_for_debian.html |
| 15:41.39 | nukeu666 | eulex:scsi emulatino with DMA off gives 4mb/sec transfer rate...actual value should be well above 80mbps :p |
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| 15:41.56 | Brox | yeah but its not telling me much |
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| 15:42.06 | valdyn | nukeu666: why are you using scsi emulation? |
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| 15:42.10 | Brox | i mean the log file |
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| 15:42.14 | Eulex | nukeu666, 4mb/s? ouch. could try enabling dma. |
| 15:42.33 | npx | Debian kicks ass for servers |
| 15:42.34 | nukeu666 | vald:im using 2.4 kernel right now...no sata options |
| 15:42.36 | hmakholm | Brox: Then it's hard to guess what your problem is. Have any idea about what you're typically doing when it happens? |
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| 15:42.38 | Maakuth | Brox, you should grep EE |
| 15:42.40 | nukeu666 | eulex:doesnt let me turn on dma |
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| 15:42.51 | valdyn | nukeu666: doesnt mean you need to use scsi emulation |
| 15:42.57 | Maakuth | npx, where doesn't it kick ass |
| 15:43.02 | Whisky_ | ok how do I bind "firefox" alias to launch firefox from /usr/local/bin/firefox/./firefox |
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| 15:43.10 | plb | damn latest 2.6.14 kernel update is screwed up |
| 15:43.13 | npx | Maakuth, everywhere that every other linux distro doesn't |
| 15:43.16 | npx | the desktop |
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| 15:43.26 | TNKS | hi all. I've been using update-alternatives. I know it maintains a databate somewhere, but I don't know the details about it. I'm playing with Opera, can I install opera as x-www-browser using update-alternatives? It's not an option right now. I'd prefer to use update-alternatives over just manually managing the symlinks. |
| 15:43.35 | hmakholm | Whisky_: That's a really strange place to install a file. Are you sure you want to do that? |
| 15:43.41 | nukeu666 | valdyn:i didnt turn on the emulation...that was automatic when i netinstalled debian |
| 15:43.42 | Brox | hmakholm> i switch the workspace |
| 15:43.49 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, I don't know :S |
| 15:44.04 | Xg | I want the DVD-iso, and when I try to download by http it say that the size is 369Mb. why??? |
| 15:44.15 | valdyn | nukeu666: for your cdrom? debian's netinstall does not use scsi emulation for ide harddisks |
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| 15:44.36 | hmakholm | Whisky_: I don't know how upstream Firefox decides on its installation directory, but if it is sane, it would install as /usr/local/bin/firefox directly. |
| 15:44.47 | Brox | Maakuth> theres nothing interresting |
| 15:45.06 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, yeah its installed thered the ./firefox is the executable :P |
| 15:45.11 | hmakholm | Whisky_: (And how did you build that firefox, anyway? Just before you could not even link C programs due to dependency hell...) |
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| 15:45.16 | nukeu666 | valdyn:all i know my sata hdd is being treated as IDE and i cant turn on DMA |
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| 15:45.28 | PerfDave | hmakholm: No, it would install as in /usr/local/firefox and generate a symlink to /usr/local/firefox/bin/firefox in /usr/local/bin *g* |
| 15:45.29 | valdyn | nukeu666: that's perfectly fine |
| 15:45.33 | Brox | just: (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 15:45.34 | Brox | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 15:45.36 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, I didnt have to build it. Just unzip and ./firefox |
| 15:45.37 | valdyn | nukeu666: sata hasnt a dma to switch on |
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| 15:45.56 | nukeu666 | valdyn:getting 4mbps transfer rate is not okay |
| 15:46.02 | slushpupie | I cant tell if the sarge perl packages have the vulnerability described here: http://www.dyadsecurity.com/perl-0002.html Can anyone tell me? |
| 15:46.03 | Brox | so EE because of the SCREEN -- no errors |
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| 15:46.05 | valdyn | nukeu666: and its also supposed to be 'treated as ide' on 2.4 kernels |
| 15:46.06 | TNKS | oh. . . nevermind. . . I misread the manpage. . . it seems that --install also adds alternatives. |
| 15:46.07 | TNKS | cool. |
| 15:46.12 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Are you 100% sure that the command "/usr/local/bin/firefox/./firefox" will launch the program? |
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| 15:46.16 | Xg | I have been tryin' with different mirror and download managers... n its still there |
| 15:46.25 | valdyn | nukeu666: yea thats even to low for pio mode |
| 15:47.06 | Kluster_v2 | is there a file somewhere where I can remove the screwed up package wich I cannot remove, purge or re-install so I can use apt-get / aptitude again ? |
| 15:47.16 | valdyn | nukeu666: but sata doesnt have such thing |
| 15:47.19 | abrotman | fix the package ? |
| 15:47.38 | valdyn | nukeu666: maybe you're running your sata interface in some kind of legacy mode |
| 15:47.41 | Kluster_v2 | by re-installing it ? |
| 15:48.04 | Brox | Maakuth> so there are no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log but it still quits sometimes and starts the login screen ... |
| 15:48.08 | Eulex | Kluster_v2, what does it say exactly? |
| 15:48.15 | hmakholm | Kluster_v2: What have you tried to get it away? apt-get? dpkg? |
| 15:48.17 | botsy__ | Maakuth, i have download X-deep i have configure it but it don't want open the graphical appilcation whose i want launch ... can you help me please |
| 15:48.22 | Whisky_ | it does it but right now i got: (firefox-bin:12941): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 15:48.22 | Whisky_ | :S |
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| 15:48.34 | Maakuth | botsy__, set up x tunneling |
| 15:48.35 | valdyn | nukeu666: which means, go look if you have a driver loaded for your sata interface |
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| 15:48.40 | Maakuth | botsy__, in putty |
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| 15:48.59 | Kluster_v2 | I installed it via "dpkg -i ......" and now when I apt-get it says: The package ltmodem-2.6.8-2-386 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 15:49.09 | Wanderer | !dsl |
| 15:49.10 | dpkg | [dsl] Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 15:49.10 | Maakuth | putty configuration category: connection|ssh|x11 |
| 15:49.19 | Wanderer | there we go |
| 15:49.30 | Maakuth | botsy__, and put enable x11 forwarding.. and x display location is localhost:0 |
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| 15:49.40 | Maakuth | then connect the host and run the x app you want |
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| 15:49.57 | Xg | I have been tryin' with different mirror and download managers... n its still there. What can I do? |
| 15:49.58 | Wanderer | Anyone know of a distro that has "lshw" installed by default? |
| 15:49.59 | nukeu666 | valdyn:doing dmesg doesnt give any refernces for sata...just /dev/hdc as IDE |
| 15:49.59 | hmakholm | Whisky_: (I can only shake my head in bewilderment that you have managed to get an install script to create a _subdirectory_ of /usr/local/bin ...) |
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| 15:50.14 | valdyn | nukeu666: which driver? |
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| 15:50.20 | botsy__ | Maakuth, it's good |
| 15:50.20 | Brox | So does anyone know which error logs i should check first if my X quits? |
| 15:50.21 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, It doesnt have an install script :/ |
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| 15:50.29 | Whisky_ | Just unzip the firefox tar ball and run firefox |
| 15:50.30 | Eulex | Kluster_v2, dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq ltmodem-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 15:50.47 | Brox | are all the logs in /var/log ?? |
| 15:51.02 | valdyn | nukeu666: what does 'lspci | grep -i ide' and 'lspci | grep -i sata' tell |
| 15:51.03 | hmakholm | Whisky_: So you unrolled the tarball in /usr/local/bin ??? |
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| 15:51.15 | Whisky_ | yup |
| 15:51.24 | abrotman | Brox: most of the important ones .. some apps will keep lots in other places(though it can be changed) |
| 15:51.24 | Kluster_v2 | Eulex, I tried already, doesn't work |
| 15:51.31 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 15:51.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:51.35 | npx | /var/log/XFree86.0.log or something like that |
| 15:52.02 | Kluster_v2 | it gives me: Could not identify your distribution's way of automatically loading modules, Exiting. |
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| 15:52.43 | valdyn | Whisky_: what's wrong with debian's firefox? |
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| 15:53.09 | nukeu666 | valdyn:both give this "0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA Controller (rev 04)" |
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| 15:53.21 | Whisky_ | valdyn, It's old. 1.0.4 |
| 15:53.28 | abrotman | Whisky_: NO |
| 15:53.30 | npx | valdyn, it's not opera? =) |
| 15:53.43 | abrotman | Whisky_: do NOT tell people to do that .. you apparently don't know what you're talking about |
| 15:53.48 | valdyn | Whisky_: no, its really 1.07 |
| 15:53.49 | valdyn | Whisky_: no, its really 1.0.7 |
| 15:53.54 | hmakholm | Whisky_: That's extremely messy. You want to move the entire tree to somewhere else, say /usr/local/firefox. Then you can make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/firefox to /usr/local/firefox/firefox. |
| 15:53.59 | valdyn | Whisky_: and its fine |
| 15:54.04 | abrotman | Whisky_: don't tell someone to FUCK up thier box because you can't read |
| 15:54.06 | Eulex | Kluster_v2, seems like it's a known problem. http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:Efwg0nuwW40J:linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fourth/msg02098.html+Could+not+identify+your+distribution%27s+way+of+automatically+loading+modules,+Exiting.&hl=sv |
| 15:54.10 | valdyn | Whisky_: age is not a good measure for quality |
| 15:54.14 | plb | whats taking so long for 1.5 to get into unstable anyway? |
| 15:54.22 | abrotman | plb: ask the FF maintainer |
| 15:54.32 | Kluster_v2 | Eulex, thank you! |
| 15:54.36 | Whisky_ | abrotman, wtf? Are you ok? I just said its old and i want to upgrade. Mozilla didnt just release 1.5 for fucking up boxes! |
| 15:54.47 | bobbens | plb: it's in unstable |
| 15:54.50 | valdyn | nukeu666: i guess your interface is being run in legacy mode, i also guess that 2.4 kernels dont support that sata chip, try installing a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:54.51 | abrotman | Whisky_: really .. so you've packaged FF for sarge ? |
| 15:54.53 | Whisky_ | Valandil, Mine's 1.0.4 :) |
| 15:54.57 | bobbens | plb: under the name of firefox instead of mozilla-firefox |
| 15:54.58 | Whisky_ | abrotman, NO |
| 15:54.58 | Kluster_v2 | I did try google before I came in here, I'm just too tired to think straight I guess |
| 15:55.06 | abrotman | Whisky_: or you're just having the strew files across the system ? |
| 15:55.10 | valdyn | Whisky_: that 1.0.4 is REALLY 1.0.7 |
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| 15:55.21 | abrotman | Whisky_: no .. you're is 1.0.7 .. you don't know what you're talking about |
| 15:55.23 | abrotman | yours is |
| 15:55.24 | hmakholm | abrotman: In all fairness Whisky_ was not recommending that somebody "just unzip the tarball". He was describing what he himself has done. |
| 15:55.25 | abrotman | god .. |
| 15:55.27 | Whisky_ | valdyn, Oh k. |
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| 15:55.41 | plb | bobbens, ah wtf why they change the name? |
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| 15:55.45 | botsy__ | do you know if they are a application for see linux partition on windows ? |
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| 15:55.51 | Whisky_ | Exactly :/ |
| 15:55.58 | jsan | hi muy friends |
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| 15:56.07 | bobbens | plb: dont ask me, i found out like a week ago and finally upgraded. The funny thing is the app calls itself "Deer Park" now |
| 15:56.25 | abrotman | bobbens: tha'ts the code name of the release iirc |
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| 15:56.38 | bobbens | abrotman: mmm surprised me |
| 15:56.44 | jsan | i would like to conver addressbook in openwebmail to uebimiau but the format files are different. how i trasnform this files ? |
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| 15:56.51 | abrotman | bobbens: the product is still firefox .. the release name is Deer Park |
| 15:56.53 | npx | what the hell? deer park? |
| 15:56.58 | bobbens | abrotman: i thought it changed name again... pheonix -> firebird -> firefox -> Deer park...? |
| 15:56.59 | valdyn | deer park is the prerelease ff1.5 |
| 15:57.07 | plb | hm wonder what the reason is for having two different versions of firefox |
| 15:57.10 | valdyn | i really doubt the release is called that |
| 15:57.26 | abrotman | valdyn: the code name ? |
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| 15:57.34 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, ok sorry i didnt get the symlink part. Wouldnt it be easy to create a file named "firefox" in /usr/local/bin and do chmod +x firefox ? |
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| 15:57.50 | valdyn | abrotman: yea, prerelease ff1.5 have deer park in the window title |
| 15:57.56 | nukeu666 | any links for a quicky upgrade to 2.6 kernel with aptget? |
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| 15:57.59 | npx | really, you know, what the hell actually installs in /usr/local/bin ? |
| 15:58.07 | Eulex | plb, theye didn't call the release deer park. it was named that to prevent people from thinking it's cool to run pre-release firefox 1.5 |
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| 15:58.16 | plb | heh |
| 15:58.21 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Not if /local/bin/firefox is already a directory. |
| 15:58.23 | abrotman | valdyn: damn those people! |
| 15:58.31 | valdyn | hah |
| 15:58.41 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, Its not. No such file/directory. |
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| 15:59.15 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Duh. /usr/local/bin/firefox, of course. |
| 15:59.19 | valdyn | nukeu666: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one, install one |
| 15:59.20 | abrotman | bobbens: perhaps the BTS may yield some clues as to why it's not done |
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| 15:59.33 | abrotman | nukeu666: in sarge ? |
| 16:00.08 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, oh lol sorry. Yup that directory's there. |
| 16:00.10 | valdyn | npx: only 99% of all source tarballs do that by default? |
| 16:00.25 | Whisky_ | what's with the (firefox-bin:13005): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: ? |
| 16:00.56 | valdyn | Whisky_: you're trying as root? |
| 16:01.22 | Whisky_ | Yup. Tried as user too. |
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| 16:01.36 | PerfDave | slushpupie: http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2005-3962 doesn't have a Debian advisory, and there's not one on http://www.debian.org/security/ - you might want to read http://www.debian.org/security/faq and contact the team if you're worried, but chances are they're working on it already (or it doesn't affect Debian's perl). |
| 16:01.55 | hmakholm | valdyn: But there are very few source tarballs that install _directories_ under /usr/local/bin ... |
| 16:02.03 | valdyn | Whisky_: as user: xhost +; mozilla-firefox & ; xhost - |
| 16:02.04 | slushpupie | PerfDave: I finally found the debian bug report on the problem. Its been fixed, but not in sarge yet |
| 16:02.08 | valdyn | hmakholm: i hope none ) |
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| 16:02.13 | PerfDave | slushpupie: Fair enough :) |
| 16:02.34 | Maulkin | I've got that CVE set as: |
| 16:02.35 | Maulkin | CVE-2005-3962 (Integer overflow in the format string functionality (Perl_sv_vcatpvfn) ...) |
| 16:02.38 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.44 | hmakholm | valdyn: Me too. With the possible exception of /usr/local/bin/X11; don't remember what the FHS says about that. |
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| 16:02.49 | Stereo | is pinning packages because you've built them yourself after patching them considered clean? |
| 16:03.13 | cr3 | is there a recommended way to read newsgroups locally? I'm looking for something along the lines of fetchmail but for nntp. |
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| 16:03.33 | plb | damn mplayer for testing is broken |
| 16:03.34 | hmakholm | cr3: Leafnode? |
| 16:03.34 | plb | bah |
| 16:03.42 | tiny | Hi! Can I instal Debian in a certain directory on my existing distro and export this directory trough nfs so another machine use it as it's root FS? |
| 16:03.51 | hmakholm | cr3: Or a local newsserver plus suck? |
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| 16:03.59 | Whisky_ | valdyn, xhost returns; xhost: unable to open display "" |
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| 16:04.08 | PerfDave | tiny: debootstra? |
| 16:04.10 | PerfDave | tiny: debootstrap? |
| 16:04.11 | cr3 | hmakholm: isn't leafnode a local newsserver? |
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| 16:04.32 | nukeu666 | whisky_:you arnt trying to open the program as root right? |
| 16:04.34 | hmakholm | cr3: Yes - like fetchmail wants to have a local MTA to deliver mail to. |
| 16:04.35 | azeem | hmp_: please do not do this CTCP stuff |
| 16:04.40 | cr3 | hmakholm: I've heard about cnews instead of leafnode, both are news servers, right? |
| 16:04.48 | hmakholm | cr3: Yes. |
| 16:04.50 | PerfDave | cr3: Yes, you configure leafnode to mirror groups from your upstream server and it caches them locally. |
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| 16:05.08 | Whisky_ | nukeu666, noop. |
| 16:05.10 | hmp_ | azeem: too late i have got what i want |
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| 16:05.22 | hmakholm | cr3: Alternatively, if you are using gnus, newer versions are supposed to have support for offline reading, but I haven't tried it. |
| 16:05.24 | tiny | PerfDave: debootstrap? ... I'm trying to install minimal Debian OS and test it before I pack it into an image and copy it to a CF card. |
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| 16:06.10 | tiny | PerfDave: Ah I see ... great thnx |
| 16:06.13 | PerfDave | tiny: debootstrap is a utility to create a Debian base system in a specified folder of an existing OS installation. |
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| 16:06.43 | tiny | PerfDave: does it require Debian OS? |
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| 16:07.01 | cr3 | hmakholm: gnus? I'll have to look into that, thanks. |
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| 16:07.04 | PerfDave | tiny: No, just wget. |
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| 16:07.30 | PerfDave | tiny: I'm not sure what non-Debian OSes it's been ported to; it certainly exists in Knoppix. |
| 16:07.59 | nixxie | wee |
| 16:08.02 | tiny | PerfDave: thanks, I will try this |
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| 16:08.15 | caphuso | debootstrap is pretty much pure shell and runs damn near anywhere |
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| 16:08.53 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, whats the "display" problem that occurs in Debian. I'm trying to open FireFox but it says (firefox-bin:13092): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 16:09.08 | tiny | wee ... debootstrap exists on my distro also |
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| 16:09.17 | jsan | how i convert addressbook in the openwebmail to format uebimiaui ? |
| 16:09.30 | rip | I'm having trouble installing the ATI propritary driver, I downloaded the installer from ati, saved it to my home directory, opened up root terminal and when I tryed to run the installer the terminal responded permission denied. Howcome if I'm using root? |
| 16:09.34 | hmakholm | Whisky_: It seems that you are trying to run the program without having the $DISPLAY variable set. |
| 16:09.39 | petemc | jsan: try the openwebmail forums |
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| 16:10.09 | hmakholm | Whisky_: You are probably in some kind of nested shell environment where you lost $DISPLAY during one of the nestings. |
| 16:10.10 | jsan | ok |
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| 16:10.28 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, set $DISPLAY=:0 ? |
| 16:10.40 | hmakholm | Whisky_: No, find out why you lost it instead. |
| 16:10.48 | PerfDave | Whisky_: How are you trying to run firefox? |
| 16:10.50 | nukeu666 | crap...comp isnt even booting up after installing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686...gotta wait till tomorow to get my hands on the comp now |
| 16:10.55 | Whisky_ | ./firefox |
| 16:11.03 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, How? :S |
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| 16:11.08 | PerfDave | Whisky_: From an xterm? In screen? From a text terminal? |
| 16:11.17 | Whisky_ | terminal |
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| 16:11.52 | hmakholm | Whisky_: Have you been using the 'su' command to switch *back* from root to user mode? |
| 16:11.54 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Well, the text terminal won't have the necessary fu to write to the X display. |
| 16:11.55 | medvind | hello. i have a problem: in KDE, when I try to load a gtk app such as firefox or gaim, my mouse (a normal ps/2 mouse) freezes and won't work. i'm on debian unstable.. what can i do? |
| 16:12.25 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, yes :S |
| 16:12.36 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, ermm? :S |
| 16:13.09 | hmakholm | Whisky_: There's the culprit. Type 'exit' repeatedly until your terminal window closes, then open another one and start over. |
| 16:13.21 | PerfDave | Whisky_: If you're logged in on a text terminal (serial or with ctrl-alt-f1 etc.) then that terminal won't be able to write to your X terminal on TTY7. Open up an xterm within your X session. |
| 16:13.28 | Whisky_ | done |
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| 16:13.35 | hmakholm | Whisky_: In the future, use 'exit' rather than 'su' to switch back from root; that won't leave you with a tower of shells. |
| 16:13.43 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, xterm? |
| 16:14.05 | Whisky_ | hmakholm, What does "su" do to the Display variable? |
| 16:14.07 | hmakholm | PerfDave: He had a tower of nested su commands, and the first su from user to root loses $DISPLAY. |
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| 16:14.55 | hmakholm | Whisky_: su does not pass $DISPLAY to the root shell it starts. |
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| 16:15.33 | Whisky_ | oh k. |
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| 16:15.35 | hmakholm | Whisky_: At least 'su -' does not. Su without the dash seems to do, for me, today ... |
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| 16:15.49 | PerfDave | Whisky_: An x terminal emulator, a GUI application which gives you a shell prompt. |
| 16:15.56 | PerfDave | hmakholm: Well, that's not what he said. |
| 16:15.57 | Whisky_ | same here |
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| 16:16.28 | Whisky_ | by the way Firefox does launch now but it says this as well in the terminal |
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| 16:16.35 | hmakholm | PerfDave: No, but he was apparently unaware of the distinction (or of the fact that you can _have_ a raw X-less vc) |
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| 16:16.44 | Whisky_ | (firefox-bin:13370): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. |
| 16:16.44 | Whisky_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.51 | PerfDave | hmakholm: That's why I'm explaining things to him. |
| 16:16.57 | Stereo | hey folks |
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| 16:17.07 | Stereo | I'm trying to pin postfix in testing |
| 16:17.10 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Were you using a text terminal, or an x terminal emulator application within your GUI display? |
| 16:17.15 | Stereo | in my /etc/apt/preferences I've got: |
| 16:17.20 | hmakholm | PerfDave: I have no problem with that. |
| 16:17.21 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, konsole |
| 16:17.22 | elephantMan | How can i rename all files of the form 'file_xxx_.jpg' in 'xxx_jpg' ? |
| 16:17.25 | Stereo | (I hope three lines is ok) |
| 16:17.26 | Stereo | Package: postfix* |
| 16:17.26 | Stereo | pingouin: version 2.2.* |
| 16:17.30 | Stereo | Pin-Priority: 1000 |
| 16:17.32 | juice` | is it possible to build just a part of package with dpkg-buildpackage ? ( i mean for example i want to build php5, but i dont need php5 for apache 1.3 or php5 for apache 2.0 prefork, i just need php5 for apache2.0 worker) |
| 16:17.42 | Stereo | s/pingouin/pin/ |
| 16:17.43 | nixxie | elepha: rename 's/^file_//g' *jpg |
| 16:17.48 | PerfDave | Whisky_: konsole is an X terminal emulator, OK. Sorry, you said you were using a text terminal, and that's something very different. |
| 16:17.49 | hmakholm | juice`: No, there is no standardized way to do that. |
| 16:17.57 | Stereo | nevertheless apt-get dist-upgrade wants to upgrade postfix |
| 16:18.01 | Stereo | what am I doing wrong? |
| 16:18.07 | Whisky_ | oops sorry :x |
| 16:18.07 | azeem | juice`: no, but you could see whether seperate rules are specified for those in debian/rules maybe |
| 16:18.10 | Whisky_ | im a n00b :p |
| 16:18.11 | PerfDave | Stereo: apt-cache policy may help, or apt-show-versions |
| 16:18.15 | PerfDave | !noob |
| 16:18.15 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 16:18.20 | Stereo | PerfDave: yeah |
| 16:18.21 | juice` | hmakholm: i guess i can edit rules and hash out everything i think is not needed for worker? |
| 16:18.34 | hmakholm | juice`: Yes, but you'll void the warranty. |
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| 16:18.44 | Stereo | apt-cache policy doesn't have my postfix stuff for some reason |
| 16:18.45 | juice` | :) right |
| 16:19.06 | ulrspi | was ist los hier |
| 16:19.07 | nukeu666 | question:whats the difference between XF86conf and XF86conf-4 ? |
| 16:19.09 | PerfDave | !de |
| 16:19.10 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 16:19.18 | streuner | ulrspi: english please. |
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| 16:19.52 | juice` | maybe there is some way to make apt-get build-dep start working then? |
| 16:19.53 | hmakholm | Stereo: ARe you missing the colon after "version" in your actual preferences file, too? |
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| 16:20.04 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 16:20.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 16:20.07 | juice` | # apt-get build-dep php5 |
| 16:20.07 | juice` | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:20.07 | juice` | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 16:20.07 | juice` | E: Build-dependencies for php5 could not be satisfied. |
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| 16:20.18 | juice` | oops. |
| 16:20.21 | Stereo | hmakholm: yes! |
| 16:20.25 | Stereo | d'oh |
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| 16:20.32 | garrotte | alguien habla espaĂąol.... |
| 16:20.38 | cr3 | hmakholm: I have just installed leafnode and it doesn't seem possible to configure it to download messages for myself only, ie only create files under $HOME instead of /var. do you happen to be familiar with leafnode? |
| 16:20.39 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:20.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:20.52 | juice` | anyways, when i run 'apt-get build-dep php5' i get 'E: Build-dependencies for php5 could not be satisfied.' |
| 16:20.58 | juice` | why is that |
| 16:21.05 | abrotman | juice`: in which version of debian ? |
| 16:21.09 | azeem | juice`: you will have to investigate them one by one |
| 16:21.10 | hmakholm | cr3: No, sorry. I'm using inn2 locally :-) But what's wrong with a site-global leafnode? |
| 16:21.11 | juice` | testing |
| 16:21.14 | PerfDave | juice`: Probably because the build-dependencies for php5 can't be satisfied :) |
| 16:21.19 | abrotman | !info php5 etch |
| 16:21.19 | azeem | juice`: perhaps add --arch-only |
| 16:21.24 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 16:21.41 | juice` | azeem: apt-get --arch-only build-dep php5 ? |
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| 16:21.44 | juice` | azeem: didnt help |
| 16:21.48 | rip | hello, I'm geting permission denied messege when I try to run the ati proprietary driver installer from root terminal, howcome? |
| 16:21.54 | abrotman | !ati |
| 16:21.55 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 16:21.59 | Stereo | wait, Pin version 2.2.* looks right. I don't think I need a column there. |
| 16:22.00 | cr3 | hmakholm: I'm not necessarily the admin on the server. |
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| 16:22.16 | juice` | abrotman: current testing version |
| 16:22.24 | cr3 | hmakholm: inn2, that would be overkill for my needs, right? |
| 16:22.32 | hmakholm | juice`: It is possible for a package to move from unstable to testing even though its build-deps have not yet. When that happens you're out of luck unless you add unstable to your sources.list |
| 16:22.39 | abrotman | juice`: i said etch |
| 16:22.49 | juice` | abrotman: sorry i didnt notice :) now i see |
| 16:22.50 | hmakholm | cr3: Ah. |
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| 16:23.28 | juice` | hmakholm: it is the same for php4 package |
| 16:23.33 | abrotman | juice`: do you need it today? |
| 16:23.36 | cr3 | what's the lowest port a non-root user can open? |
| 16:23.46 | abrotman | 1025 |
| 16:23.47 | juice` | abrotman: no, but i tested php4 2 months ago and it was the same |
| 16:23.55 | hmakholm | cr3: But ... if you're on a server where you're not the admin, is it then not well connected to the net? Why do you need local caching? |
| 16:23.56 | abrotman | juice`: it is testing :) |
| 16:23.58 | juice` | abrotman: i tested it less than 2 months ago and it was the same |
| 16:24.09 | abrotman | juice`: maybe your sources really are messed up |
| 16:24.16 | hmakholm | cr3: Ports 1024 and upwards are non-privileged. |
| 16:24.16 | abrotman | juice`: anyway to have it check the deps ? |
| 16:24.18 | abrotman | or sohw them ? |
| 16:24.29 | abrotman | i thought 1024 was sitll privledged |
| 16:24.41 | juice` | abrotman: i dont know how can i check the deps |
| 16:24.42 | abrotman | of course .. on a power of 2 scale .. that makes no sense :) |
| 16:24.50 | hmakholm | abrotman: Haven't tried recently. May remember things wrongly. |
| 16:24.56 | juice` | abrotman: everything else seems fine with my dpkg/apt-get |
| 16:25.12 | abrotman | juice`: try to see what deps it's trying to pull for the build |
| 16:25.22 | cr3 | hmakholm: good point! caching must've been a gut reaction to mimic my local configuration. I'll use tin with nntp then, I guess. |
| 16:25.23 | abrotman | juice`: but why are you trying to build php ? |
| 16:25.43 | hmakholm | juice`: Do you know aptitude? It's way the most productive way to investigate dependency trouble. |
| 16:25.44 | juice` | abrotman: it would be apt-cache showsrc php5 ? |
| 16:25.57 | juice` | hmakholm: i have |
| 16:26.09 | juice` | hmakholm: running it for a first time |
| 16:26.21 | cr3 | hmakholm: I still find it weird that the path to the configuration file can't be overwritten with a command line argument or environment variable :( |
| 16:26.35 | juice` | abrotman: to force mod_php with apache worker |
| 16:26.50 | hmakholm | cr3: Which? Where? What? When? |
| 16:27.02 | FallOnMe | hmakholm: hmm... does aptitude handle build-deps? I think not. |
| 16:27.17 | juice` | brb |
| 16:27.43 | hmakholm | FallOnMe: No, one has to parse the Build-Depends line in the control file by eye. But then aptitude is good for figuring out why they don't just install. |
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| 16:28.51 | cr3 | hmakholm: sorry, I see you're participating in many conversations at once :) you can nevermind |
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| 16:29.58 | abrotman | juice`: but .. the other models are pretty unstable .. or so i understood |
| 16:31.37 | cr3 | hmakholm: any recommendations between inn and inn2? |
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| 16:32.34 | hmakholm | cr3: I have no experience with inn. |
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| 16:32.48 | cindy | sevlist |
| 16:33.10 | cr3 | hmakholm: are you familiar with groupie to have subscriptions to mailing lists appear as newsgroups? |
| 16:33.28 | hmakholm | cr3: Not that either. |
| 16:33.52 | Kaledinis_Dio | hello maybe anyone could help me and explain what this meens? |
| 16:33.52 | Kaledinis_Dio | [18:32] * Now talking in ##linux |
| 16:33.52 | Kaledinis_Dio | [18:32] * Topic is 'Welcome to ##linux, an unofficial GNU/Linux support channel | Channel website: www.linuxassist.net | Use pasteling to avoid flooding: http://sial.org/pbot/ | Please help PDPC, the nonprofit that runs freenode http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml | User problems? Freenode staff can contact channel staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp' |
| 16:33.57 | Kaledinis_Dio | sorry |
| 16:34.06 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5245963.187000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 16:34.07 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5251303.187000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 16:34.07 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5252023.187000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 16:34.07 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5256703.188000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 16:34.07 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5259823.188000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
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| 16:34.20 | Kaledinis_Dio | hrrr |
| 16:34.22 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5245963.187000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 16:34.23 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5251303.187000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 16:34.23 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5252023.187000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 16:34.23 | Kaledinis_Dio | [5256703.188000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
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| 16:34.37 | abrotman | cindy: DON'T DO THAT |
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| 16:34.49 | Kaledinis_Dio | sorry |
| 16:34.50 | cindy | oops sorry |
| 16:34.54 | abrotman | Kaledinis_Dio: /msg dpkg paste |
| 16:35.05 | Kaledinis_Dio | i am new here |
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| 16:35.06 | vincent` | how easy is it to upgrade the kernel on the amd64 install netiso ? i have an opteron machine with a 3ware 9550sx card in it, and the drives for it are in the 2.6.14 series kernel (which i've built on another machine) |
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| 16:35.17 | Kaledinis_Dio | can anyone help me? |
| 16:35.23 | PerfDave | vincent`: You probably want to talk to #debian-amd64 |
| 16:35.24 | abrotman | Kaledinis_Dio: which distro are you using ? |
| 16:35.29 | Kaledinis_Dio | debian |
| 16:35.32 | vincent` | PerfDave: ah k thx |
| 16:35.39 | Kaledinis_Dio | i am from LT |
| 16:35.40 | Kaledinis_Dio | :) |
| 16:35.41 | abrotman | Kaledinis_Dio: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 16:35.42 | Kaledinis_Dio | student |
| 16:35.55 | Kaledinis_Dio | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 16:36.15 | Kaledinis_Dio | the problems appiers |
| 16:36.20 | Kaledinis_Dio | then my evms crached |
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| 16:36.30 | Kaledinis_Dio | and 4 hdd disappierd |
| 16:36.31 | Kaledinis_Dio | :/ |
| 16:36.34 | streuner | Kaledinis_Dio: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 16:36.52 | Kaledinis_Dio | :) |
| 16:36.55 | Kaledinis_Dio | Linux version 2.6.12 |
| 16:36.59 | Kaledinis_Dio | i can say |
| 16:37.07 | Kaledinis_Dio | it without pasting |
| 16:37.16 | surface | my CPU always used 100% when i unpack package after apt-get install or synatic |
| 16:37.18 | Kaledinis_Dio | just say what that meens |
| 16:37.22 | surface | it makes my pc lag |
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| 16:37.35 | Chili | hola |
| 16:37.36 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: Please don't keep hitting the enter key. Try to write entire sentences, it makes it easier for us to understand and help you. |
| 16:37.40 | surface | i am using pentium 3 800, shouldn't be so lag |
| 16:37.47 | surface | is it my kernel problem? |
| 16:37.47 | sgeigerbot | !+seen gazzu |
| 16:37.47 | dpkg | gazzu <n=Gazzu@201.135.123.215> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 103d 22h 54m 5s ago, saying: 'hi, I'm very familiar with MS-FrontPager, does exist some similar program for debian?'. |
| 16:37.57 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave |
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| 16:38.04 | Kaledinis_Dio | ok i will try to do it |
| 16:38.11 | hmakholm | surface: No, it's just that unpacking stuff takes work, and it's the CPU that does the work. |
| 16:38.19 | ircdevil | did anyone invent a gui for gnuplot? |
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| 16:38.29 | Kaledinis_Dio | so is there anyone who can help me? |
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| 16:39.20 | streuner | Kaledinis_Dio: paste the full output of the command i gave you |
| 16:39.27 | cahoot | ircdevil: unignuplot |
| 16:39.46 | Kaledinis_Dio | streuner it is making no sanse |
| 16:39.48 | Kaledinis_Dio | why? |
| 16:39.56 | streuner | because |
| 16:40.01 | Kaledinis_Dio | (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #22 Fri Aug 5 14:28:57 EEST 2005 |
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| 16:40.05 | gahan | what would be the easiest way to count number of files, dirs in dir irrerusively? |
| 16:40.07 | Kaledinis_Dio | you need this? |
| 16:40.07 | surface | hmakholm: so, thats not my kernel problem... emm.. it makes my xmms stop playing sometimes |
| 16:40.19 | azeem | gahan: find . | wc -l |
| 16:40.21 | streuner | Kaledinis_Dio: cat /proc/version |
| 16:40.23 | azeem | gahan: roughly |
| 16:40.30 | streuner | Kaledinis_Dio: we need th full output |
| 16:40.36 | streuner | Kaledinis_Dio: we need the full output |
| 16:40.38 | Kaledinis_Dio | i pasted you |
| 16:40.39 | Kaledinis_Dio | Linux version 2.6.12 (root@Neptunas) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #22 Fri Aug 5 14:28:57 EEST 2005 |
| 16:40.49 | Kaledinis_Dio | and? |
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| 16:40.59 | streuner | Kaledinis_Dio: so a custom kernel, just use an official debian kernel |
| 16:41.05 | hmakholm | surface: You can nice(1) down the offending processes if you can tell in advance what they are. |
| 16:41.17 | Kaledinis_Dio | streuner and that is your answer? |
| 16:41.23 | Kaledinis_Dio | omg |
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| 16:41.40 | surface | hmakholm: nice? i ll check it out, thanks |
| 16:41.50 | streuner | for somebody who playing with kernels and needs about 22 tries to make one? |
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| 16:42.16 | Kaledinis_Dio | streuner system worked more than 6 mounths |
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| 16:42.29 | Kaledinis_Dio | it didnt cracked just got this reports |
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| 16:42.44 | Kaledinis_Dio | the only think who crasked was evmsn |
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| 16:43.04 | Kaledinis_Dio | so i got reports and asking for explaning what does it mean |
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| 16:43.22 | Kaledinis_Dio | and you me suggesting to change kernel?" |
| 16:43.35 | Kaledinis_Dio | do you even think what you are talking? |
| 16:43.49 | hmakholm | Kaledinis_Dio: Please use proper punctuation instead of blindly hitting Enter every few words. Vertical space is a valuable resource in a busy channel like this, and you're wasting it. |
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| 16:44.31 | ircdevil | cahoot: ! looks good! |
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| 16:45.03 | streuner | Kaledinis_Dio: so what version of evmsn do you use? |
| 16:45.07 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: So let me see - you're running Debian testing, you've compiled your own kernel, and it worked for six months but is now giving you APIC errors on boot? |
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| 16:45.26 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave not on boot |
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| 16:45.44 | Wanderer | morning moon |
| 16:45.57 | Kaledinis_Dio | streuner EVMS Command Line Interpreter Version 2.5.3 |
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| 16:47.17 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: So this evmsn is a program that you run, and when you run it you get APIC errors? |
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| 16:47.34 | WillR | hey all... is there a way in squrrelmail to chang ethe URL so that the page is in french? rather than english? |
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| 16:48.07 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave i can make apt-get upgrade update and bla bla bla and it will be stable? but this wont solve the problem. As i told you everythink worked fine until and 1 of my hdd witch was in the array of 4 hdd disappierd, then i started geting the following error with apic and Treason uncloaked! |
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| 16:48.37 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave you even know that is evms? |
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| 16:49.07 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about. |
| 16:49.19 | bobw | has anyone had success with Sarge on Dell poweredge 1850?? |
| 16:49.25 | bobw | 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:49.33 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: If you're running Debian Testing, then you can't use apt-get to go to Debian Stable, you have to reinstall. |
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| 16:49.40 | vincent` | WillR: under 'options' 'display preferences' you can change the language |
| 16:49.51 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave :DDDD |
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| 16:49.55 | Kaledinis_Dio | you noob? |
| 16:50.04 | Kaledinis_Dio | reinstall? |
| 16:50.05 | vincent` | bobw: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 16:50.13 | Kaledinis_Dio | sorry for wasting your time |
| 16:50.14 | streuner | Kaledinis_Dio: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 16:50.21 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: No, I've been running Debian for 6 years now :) |
| 16:50.29 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: If this error of yours started when you took a HDD out of your RAID array, then I'd look at that first. |
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| 16:51.07 | xcyborg | the last series if 2.6 kernels from unstable fail to boot for me with some messages like "Waiting X seconds for /sys/block/hda/dev to show up" |
| 16:51.10 | bobw | vincent`, u have a PE 1850? |
| 16:51.13 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave that is the point, i didnt took, it just dissapierd from the array |
| 16:51.27 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: Someone stole it? |
| 16:51.30 | hmakholm | Kaledinis_Dio: Burglar? |
| 16:51.39 | surface | hmakholm: how to use nice? the man is so less guide |
| 16:51.55 | xcyborg | anyone has any idea why the kernels don't boot, I use debian/unstable, latest udev, etc |
| 16:51.58 | surface | how to check the nice value of some program? |
| 16:52.02 | rip | hey, I'm getting permission denied messege when I try to edit my sources.list, even in root terminal. Why is that? |
| 16:52.03 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave it is inthe PC but it is invisible for evmsn :) |
| 16:52.04 | WillR | (vincent`): doesnt seem to work.. sill english.... i have french people that use teh webmail andenglish i want the english ppl to have englishlogin page and suuch andthe french people to have a french. one...this isnt possibl? i tried adding /fr to theend of the url.. :( heh |
| 16:52.25 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: And this happened at the same time as you started getting APIC errors from your kernel? |
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| 16:52.29 | hmakholm | surface: e.g. "nice aptitude" |
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| 16:52.48 | PerfDave | surface: ps |
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| 16:52.56 | sgeigerbot | !+gazzu |
| 16:52.57 | dpkg | from memory, gazzu is our pet llama who lives in Puerto Villarta. |
| 16:53.02 | ircdevil | wtf? the README is in spanish? |
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| 16:53.28 | ircdevil | what is this? gnupaella? |
| 16:53.32 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave: Yes |
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| 16:53.41 | bobbens | libc seems to give me errors with free (), biggest problem is thunderbird segfaulting on start up. This is due to attempting to internationalize my debian and getting everything to work in UTF-8 (well its been happening since then). What could be the problem? I've gotten all the UTF-8 locales compiled and have some settings linked in .bashrc and .bash_profile (export LANG and such). What could i be missing...? |
| 16:54.10 | PerfDave | WillR: Might be worth asking #squirrelmail, but from what I've seen of it I expect it would work if the French users browsers were configured to use French etc. |
| 16:54.16 | bobw | vincent`, the link you sent me is a bit outdated, its 2.4.x series kernel |
| 16:54.18 | bobw | i want 2.6 |
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| 16:54.27 | hmakholm | bobbens: That kind of thing is always a bug in the program that receives the error. (Or, remote possibility, in libc) |
| 16:54.37 | ircdevil | gaaargh - the whole damn thing is full of paella! |
| 16:54.40 | Ronin` | what the heck? |
| 16:54.51 | WillR | thx i didnt know SM had their own channel |
| 16:54.56 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: Have you tried googling for your error? Is the drive visible to the BIOS? |
| 16:55.04 | Kaledinis_Dio | streuner : [root@Neptunas 18:56:01 /root]# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 |
| 16:55.05 | Kaledinis_Dio | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 16:55.05 | Kaledinis_Dio | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.05 | Kaledinis_Dio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:55.21 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave can you repeat the sentence |
| 16:55.22 | Kaledinis_Dio | ? |
| 16:55.27 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: Don't paste in channel, use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:55.31 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: Have you tried googling for your error? Is the drive visible to the BIOS? |
| 16:55.34 | bobbens | hmakholm: well i get this in all the versions i've tried of thunderbird and i also get it when attempting to convert hiragana to kanji in gaim. Is there anything i can do to fix this other then report the bug (which i did in the case of thunderbird)? |
| 16:55.55 | npx | hhaha |
| 16:56.03 | npx | my dad's landline shows up on CID as "THE API" |
| 16:56.06 | hmakholm | bobbens: No. (Well, learn to hack, and go hunting for the bug yourself |
| 16:56.22 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave i am trying but no luck |
| 16:56.31 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: What are you trying? |
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| 16:57.05 | surface | PerfDave: i 'ps -AF' it doesn't have a field which is within -19 to 19 |
| 16:57.08 | bobbens | hmakholm: i'd like to, but need more time :(. Right now i shouldnt be playing around with system configs and such, but it doesnt take too long compared to hacking. Hopefully some day i'll get around to it |
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| 16:57.58 | PerfDave | surface: You're quite right, i was thinking of top |
| 16:58.31 | surface | PerfDave: is it PR ? |
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| 16:58.38 | surface | PerfDave: ya i think so |
| 16:58.43 | PerfDave | surface: man top |
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| 16:58.59 | surface | PerfDave: PR = priority lol |
| 16:59.07 | PerfDave | surface: NI = nice value |
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| 16:59.36 | surinder | what is required to compile kernel modules on debian |
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| 16:59.40 | le_mackeux | Hey guys, someone has done a "Debian install from a Unix/Linux System" ? |
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| 16:59.59 | PerfDave | surinder: module-assistant is the easiest way of compiling a new module against your running kernel. |
| 17:00.02 | hmakholm | le_mackeux: Your question does not make sense. Please rephrase. |
| 17:00.06 | sparr_ | surinder: kernel headers, binutils, gcc |
| 17:00.14 | tiny | I'm new to debian. Can anyone help me with some basics. For example I need to install ssh server and client. |
| 17:00.19 | sparr_ | is there any program or combination of programs that can keep X apps running while i restart X? |
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| 17:00.21 | PerfDave | !fundementals |
| 17:00.49 | petemc | tiny: if you installed sarge you have both |
| 17:00.49 | tiny | petemc: nope |
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| 17:00.50 | petemc | tiny: yes |
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| 17:01.04 | vendolis | Can anyone point me to a site/howto or such where i can find infos how to create a debian installation disk with added drivers (in my case Uli Chipset SATA driver) |
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| 17:01.08 | PerfDave | hmakholm: I think that le_mackeux is talking about debootstrap |
| 17:01.12 | vincent` | tiny: read about apt-cache (searches for packages) and apt-get (installs/removes them) |
| 17:01.22 | le_mackeux | There is a way to install Debian that is called " Installing debian from a Unix/linux System". Have you heard of it? |
| 17:01.32 | surface | PerfDave: ya, i read it, thanks |
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| 17:01.36 | vincent` | vendolis http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/index.html |
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| 17:01.44 | vendolis | Thanks |
| 17:02.03 | hmakholm | le_mackeux: A section heading in the installation guide? |
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| 17:02.45 | cahoot | le_mackeux: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html |
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| 17:03.21 | sparr_ | just once i would like to dist-upgrade without having to remove any packages |
| 17:03.29 | rip | hey, how do I save changes to sources.list? Im getting permission denied evry time I try |
| 17:03.35 | petemc | sparr_: use stable |
| 17:03.40 | azeem | rip: you need to edit it as root |
| 17:03.41 | vincent` | rip: you need to be source |
| 17:03.41 | Ronin | rip: do it as root |
| 17:03.45 | azeem | or via sudo |
| 17:03.51 | rip | I tryed as root |
| 17:04.04 | rip | it said permission denied |
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| 17:04.12 | le_mackeux | chaoot: this is the page that i have. Have you done that before? |
| 17:04.25 | PerfDave | rip: Is the partition on which it lives mounted read-only? |
| 17:04.34 | Kaledinis_Dio | PerfDave i am trying to fix it, to find anythink useless to solve it, even to know why it appiers |
| 17:04.35 | jshriver | greetings.. |
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| 17:04.44 | jshriver | anyone know how to chop off x-lines from the bottom of a file? |
| 17:04.44 | cahoot | le_mackeux:sorry obviously misunderstood your question |
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| 17:04.59 | PerfDave | Kaledinis_Dio: Sorry, you're still not making any sense. |
| 17:05.11 | rip | I don't know, I have a single partition (and swap)... so I guess no |
| 17:05.13 | sparr_ | petemc: heh, i prefer my software to be relevant to this decade |
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| 17:05.26 | PerfDave | I've used debootstrap before |
| 17:05.52 | hmakholm | jshriver: head -n -42 filename |
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| 17:06.35 | lazydot | I need some help to found if my system was rootet |
| 17:06.36 | jshriver | ? -n -42? |
| 17:06.40 | jshriver | let me cheeck the man page |
| 17:06.43 | lazydot | can anybody help me? |
| 17:06.45 | vincent` | lazydot: apt-get install chkrootkit |
| 17:06.51 | lazydot | yes |
| 17:06.54 | lazydot | done |
| 17:06.59 | lazydot | im with livelinux here |
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| 17:07.24 | lazydot | checked my partitions with chkrootkit, nothing was found |
| 17:07.45 | le_mackeux | chaoot: I'm trying to install debian by following that install page. I have a problem at a certain point and i'm looking for someone who has already install a debian by following that documentation. Have you? |
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| 17:07.53 | hmakholm | lazydot: Why do you believe your system may be compromized? |
| 17:07.57 | jair | guys I am trying to configure my sound card in debain stable 3.0 I am using alsa but I get the message that was found, configured, and when I try the command "speaker-test" I can not hear anything and the prompt give me a message that it can not found sound card. |
| 17:08.09 | PerfDave | jair: Uhm, Debian 3.0 is not the current stable release of Debian. |
| 17:08.10 | hmakholm | !tell le_mackeux about ask |
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| 17:08.33 | PerfDave | rip: Can you paste the output of "mount" to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ ? |
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| 17:08.43 | lazydot | hmakholm: i've installed some software, that was not verified, after that i got SIGSEGV |
| 17:08.44 | le_mackeux | lol |
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| 17:08.56 | bnoji | I just connected an APC SmartUPS SC-1000 into this machine and its loading the wrong module... |
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| 17:09.07 | rip | PerfDave: let me try |
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| 17:09.14 | bnoji | It loaded the prolific USB serial converter |
| 17:09.20 | ircdevil | ls |
| 17:09.23 | hmakholm | lazydot: So you installed some software from an untrusted source, and *that software* segfaulted on you? |
| 17:09.24 | ircdevil | ops |
| 17:09.38 | jair | PerfDave, sorry 3.1 |
| 17:09.39 | Ronin | hmakholm: or are they running testing and havent done apt-secure? |
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| 17:10.47 | le_mackeux | Allright. I have a problem :D . I'm installing debian with that documentation ( http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en ) and when chrooting, the apt-get commant isn't available nor dpkg ! Following that, i can't go on with the installation. Y is apt and dpkg not there? |
| 17:10.57 | lazydot | hmakholm: after the installation with aptitude, aptitude exit with sigsegv |
| 17:11.04 | rip | PerfDave: Can't seem to get it... here is the command I'm trying, I think it may be wrong: (as root) sudo /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:11.28 | PerfDave | rip: Uhm, are you running Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 17:11.31 | hmakholm | lazydot: Are you sure it was aptitude that segfaulted, and not the package's postinst script? |
| 17:11.33 | PerfDave | rip: Either way, that won't work :) |
| 17:11.38 | magik | know anybody java? |
| 17:11.42 | rip | PerfDave: Debian |
| 17:11.44 | PerfDave | magik: ##java |
| 17:11.45 | hmakholm | lazydot: Where did you get the package you installed? |
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| 17:11.49 | lazydot | hmakholm: yes |
| 17:11.50 | AlejandroG | Hi, i don't speak much Englesh but i hace a question, Exist any aplication similar that evolution?. Not similar. I need diary, i need agent (agenda). Is similar that calenday in evolution i want write a notes and wirte a citis and appointment |
| 17:11.54 | magik | language programer |
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| 17:12.14 | rip | PerfDave: lol, so what command do I use? |
| 17:12.17 | magik | tab[1] = a; how this make? |
| 17:12.27 | Ronin | rip: your favorite editor, vi, vim, nano etc |
| 17:12.29 | PerfDave | rip: Uhm, try "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" - "sudo" just gets you root permissions, it doesn't do anything else. But that'll only work if you've got sudo installed and configured. |
| 17:12.33 | lazydot | hmakholm: from debian ftp servers, but only few libraries |
| 17:12.44 | PerfDave | rip: Otherwise, type "su" to gain root permissions, then type "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 17:12.51 | lazydot | hmakholm: the main package was downloaded from sourceforge |
| 17:12.56 | PerfDave | magik: ##java |
| 17:12.59 | AlejandroG | I don't find this program |
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| 17:13.02 | rip | PerfDave: ok let me try |
| 17:13.05 | magik | yes java |
| 17:13.07 | loxley_ | magik: dont know java, but seems you want to store something in a list |
| 17:13.18 | magik | i want tab[1] = 1; how |
| 17:13.29 | hmakholm | lazydot: You added a sourceforge URL to sources.list and used apt-to install something from it? |
| 17:13.36 | lazydot | hmakholm: can you accept private chat? |
| 17:13.40 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: You've done the debootstrap from your host OS, you've chrooted into the Debian installation, and apt-et gives you "command not found"? |
| 17:13.44 | surinder | OOPs... notebook wnt down as forgot to plug power :) |
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| 17:13.48 | magik | know anyone what that make?? |
| 17:13.51 | dusk | how do I remove entries in my gnome menu? |
| 17:13.52 | magik | tab[1] = a; |
| 17:14.03 | PerfDave | magik: No, go to the IRC channel ##java, not #debian. Java programming is offtopic for #debian. |
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| 17:14.08 | magik | ok |
| 17:14.14 | hmakholm | lazydot: Why not let the other fine gentlemen in the channel have an opportunity to correct me when my brain switches off? |
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| 17:14.47 | lazydot | hmakholm: it easier to me to talk with one man ast the same time =) |
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| 17:15.04 | lazydot | hmakholm: my english is terrible, as you see |
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| 17:15.19 | magik | chanell java ist hot exist |
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| 17:15.28 | hmakholm | lazydot: You must be confusing yourself with somebody else. |
| 17:15.30 | PerfDave | magik: ##java exists. |
| 17:15.45 | magik | ok but i can't |
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| 17:15.47 | Spec | hehe, private messages are disabled? |
| 17:15.56 | Maulkin | AlejandroG: "apt-cache search pim" |
| 17:15.57 | Ronin | Spec: only for non identifed users |
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| 17:16.02 | PerfDave | magik: Type "/join ##java" into your IRC client |
| 17:16.07 | Spec | ah, ok |
| 17:16.27 | Ronin | or /quit too magik |
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| 17:16.57 | blondie | haha |
| 17:17.16 | pravs | problem in installing grub in HP proliant ML 350 G4 can anyone please help me out? |
| 17:17.30 | Maulkin | pravs: Depends what the problem is. |
| 17:17.32 | PerfDave | I don't kow what IRC client magik was using, it didn't reply to ctcp VERSION |
| 17:17.36 | rip | PerfDave: I managed to open up the sources.list and edited it, but when I cheked the sources.list was unmodified, and a new file called sources.list.save was created |
| 17:17.56 | pravs | the system harddrive could not be figured out |
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| 17:18.18 | bnoji | Is hiddev compiled in in sarge?] |
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| 17:18.24 | PerfDave | rip: That's unusual. "mv /etc/apt/sources.list.save /etc/apt/sources.list" should fix that, but I don't know why it happened in the first place. Maybe it's just something that nano does as a precaution? I use vim as an editor, not nano. |
| 17:18.28 | bnoji | I found hid.o but not hiddev.o |
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| 17:18.36 | hmakholm | lazydot: Anyhow, I've got to run now. Good luck with your problem - but if you have checked your system from a clean live-cd boot and you don't think you have personal and very resourceful enemies, I wouldn't worry too much. |
| 17:18.55 | valdyn | bnoji: the X module? |
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| 17:19.23 | Maulkin | pravs: which distribution? |
| 17:19.24 | lazydot | hmakholm: i installed few libraries yesterday to resolve the dependensies of the package |
| 17:19.27 | pravs | the debian autoinstaller says the hard disk is scsi.cciss but error occurs while installing the grub |
| 17:19.29 | le_mackeux | What sarge floppy images should i use as a rescue disk? |
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| 17:19.32 | bnoji | valdyn: the kernel module |
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| 17:19.35 | pravs | debian sarge |
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| 17:19.43 | marstewel | pravs: what kind of errors ? |
| 17:19.53 | marstewel | pravs: what does the "debug screen" say ? |
| 17:19.56 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: Why do you need a rescue disk if you've installed to a chroot from an existing Linux/UNIX installation? |
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| 17:20.12 | lazydot | hmakholm: the first one was marked as "untruseted" |
| 17:20.15 | valdyn | !find hiddev.ko |
| 17:20.19 | pravs | could not write to hd0 |
| 17:20.22 | marstewel | PerfDave: a rescue disk should always be the case |
| 17:20.28 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: i need to instal lthe boot loader when i'll reboot into the new system! |
| 17:20.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'hiddev.ko' returned no results. |
| 17:20.42 | valdyn | !find hiddev.o |
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| 17:20.45 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: chroot, apt-get install grub :) |
| 17:20.45 | marstewel | pravs: anything besides that ? |
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| 17:20.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'hiddev.o' returned no results. |
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| 17:21.03 | valdyn | bnoji: somehow i doubt that exists at all |
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| 17:21.13 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: Or you can just use your existing bootloader to boot into your Debian installation, of course. |
| 17:21.14 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: apt-get isn't in the system that i previously debootstraped. that was a previous question |
| 17:21.15 | marstewel | human interfaces devices ? |
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| 17:21.22 | lazydot | hmakholm: ah ok, happy running =) |
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| 17:21.29 | valdyn | marstewel: no, the module hiddev.o |
| 17:21.30 | magik | which chanell is java? |
| 17:21.30 | pravs | no but i tried installing in boot partition even that caused an error |
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| 17:21.33 | lazydot | .. |
| 17:21.34 | lazydot | ............ |
| 17:21.35 | PerfDave | magik: ##java |
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| 17:21.43 | blondie | magik: don't be such a dumbass |
| 17:21.44 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: If it's not in the chroot, then it won't be there when you boot into it directly. I tried to help you diagnose your problem but you ignored me. |
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| 17:21.46 | marstewel | valdyn: what do you want to do ? |
| 17:21.47 | blondie | no offence |
| 17:21.56 | valdyn | marstewel: nothing |
| 17:22.02 | marstewel | heh, okay... |
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| 17:22.06 | magik | i can't |
| 17:22.12 | magik | you anderstand! |
| 17:22.13 | lazydot | other question: Im running debian etch |
| 17:22.14 | pravs | i booted using knoppix and the system could not map the hard disk |
| 17:22.15 | azeem | magik: well, then complain in #freenode |
| 17:22.21 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: sorry i probably missed your messages |
| 17:22.24 | valdyn | marstewel: bnoji asked for that module |
| 17:22.25 | azeem | magik: this is the wrong channel to ask for help, sorry |
| 17:22.31 | lazydot | but i cant upgrade my system with apt-get upgrade or just with apt-get install xxx |
| 17:22.33 | magik | I know. |
| 17:22.34 | blondie | magik: get a real IRC client then |
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| 17:22.38 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: so here is my situation. |
| 17:22.45 | lazydot | each package is "not verified" |
| 17:23.02 | marstewel | lazydot: are you on sid ? |
| 17:23.02 | lazydot | but im using only the main debian servers in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:23.07 | lazydot | etch |
| 17:23.09 | Maulkin | lazydot: What's the exact error please? |
| 17:23.10 | lazydot | not sid |
| 17:23.14 | marstewel | lazydot: okay testing... |
| 17:23.37 | marstewel | hmm did the *new* apt-get hit etch already ? |
| 17:23.41 | marstewel | (with signatures) |
| 17:23.49 | rip | PerfDave: Im thinking that file came up because I didn't actualy save what I edited in nano, I just edited and closed the terminal, how would I save what I edited with nano? |
| 17:23.51 | lazydot | sure |
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| 17:24.09 | PerfDave | rip: Uhm, there's a list of commands at the bottom of the screen in nano, I suggest reading it :) |
| 17:24.13 | lazydot | i upgraded aptitude and apt-get |
| 17:24.15 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: i have a P1(OLD) that has gentoo installed onto it. I"m trying to install debian to an other drive so that i can remove the one with gentoo onto it. I partitionned the new drive, mounted it and deboostraped it as the documentation wanted it to be. When i chroot, everythig is there but no dpkg, nor apt-get! |
| 17:24.16 | marstewel | I havent followed it's evolution since it was uploaded to experimental... |
| 17:24.21 | lazydot | after this i got this errors |
| 17:24.24 | Maulkin | marstewel: yup, but IIRC, sopme mororrs haven't sorted out gpg sigs. |
| 17:24.49 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: OK, so where is the Debian installation mounted on your Gentoo system? /mnt/debian or somewhere? |
| 17:24.57 | marstewel | lazydot: did you read the apt.conf manpage already ? |
| 17:25.03 | lazydot | i cant try apt-get to describe the error message, im on LinuxLive CD right now |
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| 17:25.16 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: in /mnt/debian into my gentoo system |
| 17:25.27 | marstewel | I bet there is an option to turn off signature validation... |
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| 17:25.31 | lazydot | marstewel: yes i did it few monthes in the past |
| 17:25.54 | marstewel | well a few months ago is unfortunately not current enough for the signatures issue |
| 17:25.56 | Maulkin | marstewel: it's not a forced option anyway. You can oveeride it at run time |
| 17:25.58 | pravs | we have a raid level 1+0 and a smart array 642 controller |
| 17:26.15 | Maulkin | lazydot: We could do with the contents of your sources.list... |
| 17:26.17 | marstewel | Maulkin: I have not used the new apt-get up till now ;) |
| 17:26.23 | Maulkin | marstewel: :) |
| 17:26.26 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: OK, and when you're in your Gentoo system, you type "chroot /mnt/debian" to get into the Debian system? |
| 17:26.41 | Maulkin | marstewel: I just noticed that it suddenly started working :) |
| 17:26.42 | le_mackeux | PerfDave:Right |
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| 17:26.52 | rip | PerfDave: there are some commands, they are like ''^x Exit'' but nothing happens when I try them... is there any other way to edit the sources.list? |
| 17:27.01 | marstewel | "all of sudden" |
| 17:27.02 | marstewel | *g* |
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| 17:27.13 | valdyn | rip: ^x means ctrl-x |
| 17:27.19 | Maulkin | marstewel: Yup :) |
| 17:27.32 | Maulkin | marstewel: And I'm sticking to that story. |
| 17:27.34 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: OK, and once you've done that, what is the output of "cat /etc/debian_version"? |
| 17:27.38 | lazydot | Maulkin: so you think it es the problem if the new apt-get? |
| 17:27.53 | PerfDave | rip: You do know that "^X" means Control-X, right? |
| 17:27.54 | pravs | hey anybuddy there to solve this ML350 G4??? |
| 17:27.58 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: 3.1 |
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| 17:28.04 | Maulkin | lazydot: Erm... sort of. It could be a problem with your mirror. |
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| 17:28.22 | rip | PerfDave: Now I do =) |
| 17:28.26 | Maulkin | lazydot: We could really do with a) your sources.list and b) the exact error from "apt-get update" |
| 17:28.27 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: And what is the output of "apt-get update"? (if it's big, please use http://channels.debian.net/paste rather than flooding #debian and getting kicked) |
| 17:28.38 | lazydot | Maulkin: im using for 2-3 years the same mirror fpt2.de.debian.org |
| 17:28.39 | PerfDave | rip: The win is you! :) |
| 17:28.51 | lazydot | Maulking: or something like taht |
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| 17:29.23 | Maulkin | lazydot: ok. That shouldn't be a problem. I could still do with the error though :) |
| 17:29.24 | lazydot | Maulking: ok, but i have to reboot in my main system |
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| 17:29.35 | Maulkin | lazydot: I've got to run though. |
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| 17:29.39 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: i'm doomed by debian's god. Now that you ask, apt-get is there....... i'm telling you, it wasn't before my reboot |
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| 17:29.43 | lazydot | Maulkin: i can give you my sources.list, moment |
| 17:29.54 | Maulkin | lazydot: However, if you get the error, I'm sure someone else can help here |
| 17:30.01 | kuruminKakashi | realmente... |
| 17:30.10 | lazydot | Maulking ok, thanks |
| 17:30.16 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: It is my mystical powers of Debian support which can install apt-get onto a Gentoo system hundreds of miles away just by thinking about it ;) |
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| 17:30.24 | imartin_ | ola |
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| 17:30.26 | lazydot | bye |
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| 17:30.43 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: hold on, I'll try to fix it myself now..... as sad as i'm bad |
| 17:30.49 | Maulkin | Laters |
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| 17:31.04 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: yea, pull my legs off.... |
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| 17:31.55 | rip | PerfDave: got it, just one more thing, that sources.list.save file... I cant seem to delate it |
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| 17:32.11 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: so you think i can juste apt-get install grub, do the config, shut down the machine, pull the old harddrive, and turn it back on? |
| 17:32.29 | le_mackeux | Perfdave: if i did my grub config right, it should work! |
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| 17:32.38 | rip | PerfDave: An error messege with ''Access denied'' comes up |
| 17:32.39 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: tks for your help |
| 17:32.49 | PerfDave | rip: What command are you typing to delete the file? |
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| 17:33.15 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: If you don't move the Debian install's hard drive on the IDE bus, things are more likely to work. |
| 17:33.19 | rip | PerfDave: No command, I'm right clicking the file and trying to delate it |
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| 17:33.49 | evil_andy | if I have a subnet running on eth1:5 (an aliased device) if I want to run dhcpd for that network, do I run it on eth1 or eth1:5? (I'm having trouble running it on eth1:5) |
| 17:33.53 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: well it will be move from slave to master |
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| 17:34.09 | xored | iam tryying to set up some routing. server is running, 2 network int. ; eth0 -> inet (cable) & eth1 ( internal lan) . But iam somehow failing at the configuration. Any tips ? |
| 17:34.09 | PerfDave | rip: Right-clicking the file in what? |
| 17:34.15 | xored | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.178.2/24 -j MASQUERADE -> i tried this, but the clients have no access to the internet |
| 17:34.20 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: In that case you will have to be very careful with the grub configuraiton. |
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| 17:34.31 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: i'm loaving for lunch, tks for your help again. |
| 17:34.37 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: No worries |
| 17:34.50 | rip | PerfDave: Konqueror |
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| 17:35.07 | PhorceP | Just installed Sarge on a Dell Inspiron 8100. The maestro3 driver was automatically installed but no apps are able to play sound as there is no /dev/dsp. What next? |
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| 17:35.27 | PerfDave | rip: You're running Konqueror as your normal user login, right? /etc/apt/sources.list.save is owned by root, and you can't delete it as a normal user. Try "rm /etc/apt/sources.list.save" as root |
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| 17:36.07 | Ungy | it's about beer time |
| 17:36.17 | ircdevil | argh - no more |
| 17:36.27 | PerfDave | xored: What's the output of "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" ? |
| 17:36.29 | rip | PerfDave: exactly, lets see |
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| 17:38.02 | hefty | hi |
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| 17:40.06 | Assid | umm.. how do i setup networking to use 2 gateways and fail over |
| 17:40.49 | hefty | after I had reinstalled my debian system I forgot that I had backuped up the mdadm.conf gor my RAID0 at the RAID System itself. So I need to restore mdadm.conf manually. How can I do that? I already tried to put in the config something like "ARRAY /dev/md1 devices=/dev/hde,/dev/hdf" or "ARRAY /dev/.static/dev/md0 level=raid0 num-devices=2 UUID=ef8e123b:069d44f9:b25eba1e:9de49bb4". Any ideas how I can restore that one config file to get my RAID0 working |
| 17:40.51 | Spec | man iptables; man route |
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| 17:41.27 | rip | PerfDave: hmmmm it says file can't be removed beacuse it dosen't exist.... I cheked my spelling three times... so I didint get the command wrong (rm /etc/apt/sources.list.save)... the file still shows up in konqueror |
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| 17:41.39 | Assid | Spec: i want allthe routes to jump to backup |
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| 17:42.04 | Eulex | rip, refresh your file view... |
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| 17:42.14 | ^Echo | I'm trying to install Debian from floppies, which download rest packets from Internet. I have Etherlink XL PCI network card. It detects my network card but it can't find the DHCP server. I have a router wich has dhcp on. Windows, SuSe and Mandrake works, but debian doesn't. but i'd like to try debian :) |
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| 17:42.24 | Trev_ | Hey guys.. |
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| 17:42.39 | E-bola | I temporarily had a new source added to apt-get |
| 17:42.46 | E-bola | now i got way too new packages listed when i do an upgrade |
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| 17:42.54 | E-bola | how can i remove the none listed packages in apt-get? |
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| 17:43.05 | E-bola | make it only show what packages currently hosted in the stuff i have in my sources file? |
| 17:43.20 | marstewel | apt-get update |
| 17:43.38 | E-bola | doesnt get them removed |
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| 17:44.02 | E-bola | looks like it allmost did a distupgrade |
| 17:44.09 | E-bola | i got like 40-50 new packages listed as upgradeable |
| 17:44.11 | rip | PerfDave: ooops! no longer there hehe... lol sorry for the overnoobishnes |
| 17:44.18 | marstewel | what does apt-cache showpkg <package> say ? |
| 17:44.45 | marstewel | as of particular interest is the output below "Versions" |
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| 17:44.49 | Eulex | E-bola, manually remove that stuff you installed from that apt source... |
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| 17:45.10 | marstewel | ah I thought you meant updating the package lists |
| 17:45.21 | E-bola | eulex: is that necesary? |
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| 17:45.34 | rip | PerfDave: thats it then, many thanks for your time dave |
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| 17:45.38 | detox | question ,,,,, what is the difference between standard (26std) and safe (26 safe) installs?? |
| 17:45.38 | bassMonkey | hi, trying to setup dansguardian with tinyproxy. I have a basic NAT setup forwarding everything from the lan to internet. How could I make only port 80 from lan go through dansguardian (port 8080) with iptables on the server? |
| 17:45.39 | E-bola | this was all due to me trying to get a kernel image 2.6.10 or newer |
| 17:45.46 | PerfDave | rip: No worries :) |
| 17:45.50 | SerajewelKS | E-bola: 2.6.12 is in testing... |
| 17:45.52 | Assid | okay i gotta find someone who is good with shell scripting |
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| 17:45.59 | Assid | i need some help writing this |
| 17:45.59 | marstewel | wtf is "dansguardian" ? |
| 17:46.01 | E-bola | serajewelks: ya but im using stable |
| 17:46.10 | E-bola | and i needed a new module for monitoring my hw temperature |
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| 17:46.12 | PerfDave | marstewel: IIRC it's a web proxy which attempts to filter out pron sites etc. |
| 17:46.13 | marstewel | Assid: what do you want to archieve ? |
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| 17:46.24 | Eulex | E-bola, yes. if you installed stuff from that apt source that ain't in stable, you'll have to uninstall it manually |
| 17:46.26 | bassMonkey | mastewel: webcontent filtering system |
| 17:46.27 | marstewel | E-bola: which modules ? |
| 17:46.30 | SerajewelKS | E-bola: so upgrade to testing... or look for a backport of the kernel |
| 17:46.32 | marstewel | bassMonkey: free one ? :) |
| 17:46.45 | Eulex | E-bola, why not fetch the kernel from testing? |
| 17:46.52 | npx | o rly? |
| 17:46.53 | E-bola | serajewelks: i did look for a backport, thjat was what fucked up my apt-get hehe |
| 17:46.54 | bassMonkey | marstewel: try google =) |
| 17:46.56 | Assid | marstewel: i wanna send out a ping, if there is no net.. then it should run a route command and change gateways |
| 17:47.06 | E-bola | eulex: then ile need to satisfy all the testing dependencies? |
| 17:47.07 | SerajewelKS | bassMonkey: it's more complicated than that |
| 17:47.13 | marstewel | bassMonkey: google? I dont have that :P |
| 17:47.25 | bassMonkey | SerajewelKS: why? |
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| 17:47.29 | ^Echo | Hi. I'm trying to install Debian from floppies, which download rest packets from Internet. I have Etherlink XL PCI network card. It detects my network card but it can't find the DHCP server. I have a router wich has dhcp on. I've had the same problem with the CD installation |
| 17:47.30 | SerajewelKS | bassMonkey: HTTP proxy requests and regular HTTP requests are no the same |
| 17:47.30 | E-bola | marstewel: a module lm-sensors uses to monitor the motherboard |
| 17:47.34 | SerajewelKS | bassMonkey: not* the same |
| 17:47.42 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, you most probably don't need to look for a backport of a kernel. it doesn't have many dependencies. |
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| 17:48.04 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: ah.. i don't know much about kernel packages =) |
| 17:48.05 | bassMonkey | SerajewelKS: ok? how can I make it happen then? |
| 17:48.06 | Eulex | E-bola, a kernel doesn't have many dependencies |
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| 17:48.32 | Assid | arent there some kinda ready scripts or something which can do that? |
| 17:48.33 | SerajewelKS | bassMonkey: best option is to specifically restrict port 80 from being routed and set up the proxy address in broswers' settings |
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| 17:49.08 | marstewel | Assid: what does google reveal ? |
| 17:49.10 | E-bola | eulex: hmmm guess i could try it, how would i fetch a kernem image from testing? |
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| 17:49.18 | E-bola | kernel even |
| 17:49.20 | bassMonkey | SerajewelKS: ok, that would be fine, how do I stop 80 from being routed? |
| 17:49.21 | SerajewelKS | bassMonkey: note that anyone who knows anything about computers would be able to get around the filter fairly easily, e.g. by finding an open proxy online on port 8080 or something |
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| 17:49.25 | marstewel | Assid: actually this is quite easy |
| 17:49.31 | SerajewelKS | bassMonkey: pastebin your nat table in iptables |
| 17:49.35 | marstewel | Assid: I am sure that with a bit of reading you can do it on your own |
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| 17:50.15 | E-bola | eulex:do u knwo how i can find the packages i have installed that isnt from the debian stable repositories? |
| 17:50.22 | E-bola | so i can clean up this mess |
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| 17:50.38 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, all the dependencies of for example linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 from unstable is in stable |
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| 17:52.55 | Assid | marstewel: my shell scripting knowledge is umm.. for the lack of a better word BAD |
| 17:53.20 | ^Echo | why Debian doesn't find DHCP server in installation? |
| 17:53.22 | marstewel | Assid: try ABS (advanced bash scripting guide) and your shell knowledge... |
| 17:53.39 | SerajewelKS | ^Echo: possibly no network card driver |
| 17:53.43 | marstewel | ^Echo: do you see dhcp-offer requests ? |
| 17:53.48 | Eulex | E-bola, for example: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 17:53.55 | SerajewelKS | ^Echo: or possible the network cable isn't plugged in... or there no DHCP server on the network... or... |
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| 17:54.02 | Eulex | E-bola, search at packages.debian.org |
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| 17:54.04 | Assid | marstewel: for 1 script? |
| 17:54.17 | honschu | Hi, my LAN-Domainname is "thc.net", and when I do "ping not_avail" I get: response from not_avail.thc.net that I do not like. |
| 17:54.18 | Spec | Assid: it can't be too hard to write |
| 17:54.25 | ^Echo | SerajewelKS it detects the network card, cable is plugged, windows, SuSe and Mandrake finds the DHCP server wich is online in my router |
| 17:54.30 | marstewel | Assid: no, since you will want to automize more than that... |
| 17:54.44 | Spec | i could write it in python pretty quickly... :p |
| 17:55.02 | marstewel | python? bah... |
| 17:55.04 | SerajewelKS | ^Echo: hrm could possibly be using an incorrect driver |
| 17:55.07 | marstewel | too much bloated :P |
| 17:55.20 | E-bola | eulex: search for packages not listed u mean? Or was it only directed at finding the kernel-image from testing? |
| 17:55.21 | Eulex | E-bola, for removing new stuff installed from testing, try deborphan. btw, there is no automatic way of downgrading stuff. you'll have to do apt-get install pkgname/stable |
| 17:55.29 | SerajewelKS | bassMonkey: have you done the pastebin yet? |
| 17:55.34 | ^Echo | SerajewelKS: i've tried with few network cards. the one wich is now plugged is 3Com EtherLink XL |
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| 17:55.53 | Eulex | E-bola, for finding the kernel-image. and search for linux-image, as the newer linux kernel images are called that |
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| 17:55.59 | E-bola | thanks |
| 17:56.05 | SerajewelKS | ^Echo: hrm weird. how did you start the netinstall CD? just hit enter at the prompt? |
| 17:56.06 | E-bola | ile try to get my stuff cleaned up first |
| 17:56.24 | E-bola | i dont understand why aptitude or another tool cant offer a sorting on "dist" or whatever u wanna call it |
| 17:56.30 | ^Echo | SerajewelKS: I had the installation CD's before with another computer, but now im trying the floppy install |
| 17:56.33 | co_pandaan | someone in this chanel can be join with us did you |
| 17:56.34 | E-bola | so u can see what packages are from different repositories |
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| 17:56.53 | Eulex | E-bola, because apt doesn't keep info on where a package was installed from... |
| 17:57.00 | PerfDave | honschu: What is the output of "host not-avail.thc.net"? It could be that your DNS server has a wildcard DNS :) |
| 17:57.16 | SerajewelKS | ^Echo: you mean the floppy-to-cd boot floppy? |
| 17:57.25 | deefzi | how to attach a file with a same name to the end of another? i've tried for i in *; do cat * >> ~/irclogs/ ; done, but it only gives an error (irclogs is a directory) |
| 17:57.37 | ^Echo | SerajewelKS: no, i mean the floppies wich download packages from internet |
| 17:57.39 | honschu | PrefDave: It's alwas: 64.186.56.73 |
| 17:57.54 | honschu | PrefDave: It's also for salfkjalf.thc.net |
| 17:57.55 | SerajewelKS | deefzi: because you can't pipe data to a directory |
| 17:58.12 | Eulex | ^Echo, is it possible to open a console and do lspci -n, then enter the output into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/? |
| 17:58.15 | E-bola | eulex: ahh ok, good reason though, still anoying u cant somehow resolve a problem like this easily though |
| 17:58.18 | SerajewelKS | ^Echo: hrm i don't have experience with those. try the cd if you can, they might not have a driver on the floppy. |
| 17:58.27 | honschu | PrefDave: ping blablabla results in "blabla.thc.net " and I get response from "64.186.56.73" |
| 17:58.58 | deefzi | SerajewelKS, but how to pipe it so that it pipes to files with same filename together? |
| 17:58.59 | ^Echo | Eulex: before the installation begins, it says i can press enter or write a command, so should i try writing that to it? |
| 17:59.16 | honschu | PrefDave: I use dnsmasq to forward dns-querries |
| 17:59.20 | SerajewelKS | deefzi: i don't understand what you mean by "same filename together" |
| 17:59.57 | deefzi | SerajewelKS, the never version of an irclog #channel to the end of #channel, the old version |
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| 18:00.15 | Eulex | ^Echo, well, ain't that a lilo prompt? try pressing CTRL-ALT-F2 or CTRL-ALT-F3 while the installation is running |
| 18:00.24 | ^Echo | ok i try |
| 18:00.26 | SerajewelKS | deefzi: but what are the files *called*? what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:00.46 | PerfDave | honschu: My nick is "PerfDave", not "PrefDave". |
| 18:01.02 | deefzi | SerajewelKS, e.g. i have logs from january-june and july-november in two different files and i would like to attach them to one |
| 18:01.05 | Assid | Spec: could you? |
| 18:01.13 | ^Echo | Eulex: i must find my cd's first :) |
| 18:01.14 | PerfDave | honschu: It looks like your DNS server is configured to return 64.186.56.73 for any address it can't otherwise resolve, you need to fix that. |
| 18:01.19 | honschu | PerfDave: ;) sorry |
| 18:01.26 | SerajewelKS | deefzi: you mean take all the files in a certain folder and dump them into one single file? |
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| 18:01.56 | honschu | PerfDave: I use dnsmasq to forward, if I do not use this - I didn't get an error. |
| 18:02.00 | deefzi | SerajewelKS, no. files in dir a all >>:ed to the files with same names in dir b |
| 18:02.09 | Eulex | ^Echo, is it a wireless on wired card we're talking about? |
| 18:02.18 | SerajewelKS | oh, then do >> ~/irclogs/$i |
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| 18:02.25 | PerfDave | honschu: Then it looks like you need to alter your dnsmasq configuration. |
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| 18:02.30 | SerajewelKS | deefzi: no wait |
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| 18:02.46 | SerajewelKS | deefzi: for i in *; do cat $i >> ~/irclogs/$i; done |
| 18:02.54 | deefzi | SerajewelKS, that simple? i tried for i in $i; do cat $i >> /irclogs/$i; d.. |
| 18:02.56 | deefzi | ye.. :P |
| 18:02.57 | honschu | PerfDave: I'll try it. thx |
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| 18:03.06 | deefzi | no wonder. |
| 18:03.08 | E-bola | eulex: so unless i find the unknown package or packages i apparently installed from the foreign repository, i cant get rid of all the packages that was listed on that repository, even if i deleted it from my sources file? |
| 18:03.09 | SerajewelKS | deefzi: "for i in $i" is stupid |
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| 18:03.16 | E-bola | (sory if im being newbish here) |
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| 18:04.11 | SerajewelKS | deefzi: "for i in *; cat * ..." is equally bad |
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| 18:04.50 | Eulex | E-bola, correct. |
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| 18:04.58 | vincent` | what is the difference between the kernel-source-2.6.14 and kernel-tree-2.6.14 package? i'm just interested in building the module for my 3ware 9550sx card |
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| 18:05.12 | E-bola | hmm deborphan lists 5 packages, but none of them are listed with multiple versions |
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| 18:05.25 | Eulex | vincent`, one is binary, the other one is source |
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| 18:05.54 | SeicherlBoB | hi guys! I need some help with my syslog and i can't get the clue from the manpage. |
| 18:06.13 | honschu | PerfDave: It's now fixed - thanks. |
| 18:06.16 | PhorceP | Just installed Sarge on a Dell Inspiron 8100. The maestro3 driver was automatically installed but no apps are able to play sound as there is no /dev/dsp. What next? |
| 18:06.28 | SeicherlBoB | I'd like to log my systems dhcp-server in an extra file cause it's almost spamming my log/messages. |
| 18:06.29 | vincent` | Eulex: ah tree is binary ? |
| 18:07.00 | SeicherlBoB | how can i tell the dhcp-server and syslogd to use an extra file for that? |
| 18:07.04 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: kernel-tree is neither source nor binary... |
| 18:07.15 | PerfDave | honschu: No worries :) |
| 18:07.37 | PerfDave | PhorceP: Somebody may have come across your problem and fixed it before - /msg dpkg laptop |
| 18:08.07 | vincent` | SeicherlBoB: probably modify /etc/syslog.conf |
| 18:08.12 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: You may want to look at /tc/syslog.conf |
| 18:08.15 | co_pandaan | hai |
| 18:08.16 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: You may want to look at /etc/syslog.conf |
| 18:08.25 | SeicherlBoB | well, thats what i want to do, but i don't understand the examples in the manpage |
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| 18:08.45 | SeicherlBoB | i've has a look there. now i ended up here, after it cracked my brain |
| 18:08.57 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: Can you pose a specific question? |
| 18:08.59 | PerfDave | SeicherlBoB: You might consider installing syslog-ng, it's much easier to understand and customise IMHO |
| 18:09.06 | vincent` | SerajewelKS: what is kernel-tree then ? |
| 18:09.11 | PerfDave | kingsley: He already has done, do try and keep up. |
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| 18:09.17 | SerajewelKS | vincent`: it's a metapackage |
| 18:09.23 | vincent` | ah |
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| 18:09.48 | SeicherlBoB | ok: dhcp-server is set to log-facility local7 and all messages end in /var/log/messages but i'd like them to be printed in dhcp.log |
| 18:09.55 | Eclipser | is nvidia any better, really? :) |
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| 18:10.01 | Eclipser | I might go buy one tomorrow... |
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| 18:10.28 | PerfDave | Eclipser: I've had no problem installing binary nvidia drivers with module-assistant, and AFAIK it's the best bang for buck you'll get on Linux. |
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| 18:10.38 | loxley_ | Eclipser: dont know about ati, but nvidia works nicely for me |
| 18:10.50 | PerfDave | I think there were some problems with nvidia-kernel-source on amd64 but that may have been fixed now. |
| 18:10.53 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: i've heard from friends that ATI works a lot better on linux |
| 18:11.11 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: i'm not sure but at some point i plan on evaluating an ATI card on linux |
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| 18:11.18 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: Does you /etc/syslog.conf have a line for local7? |
| 18:11.22 | E-bola | hmm weird |
| 18:11.35 | E-bola | the kernel 2.6.12 from testing installed without any needed dependencies on stable |
| 18:11.36 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: *shrug* directhex did some benchmarks using nvidia, nv, fglrx and the xorg Free ATI drivers, and nvidia shits over everything else, basically :) |
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| 18:11.55 | SeicherlBoB | kingsley: nope |
| 18:12.01 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: IIRC it's nvidia ahead by a mile, then fglrx (which is still a pig to install), then xorg's ATI driver, then nv. |
| 18:12.02 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: nice =) |
| 18:12.06 | loopdee | my /usr/src/linux is -> kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 ? i thought it was supposed to be linked to kernel-source? |
| 18:12.12 | Eclipser | my ATI drivers just pissed on me for the last time |
| 18:12.31 | Eulex | SerajewelKS & vincent`, sorry, read vincent`/you wrong |
| 18:12.43 | PerfDave | loopdee: Depends what you've been doing really. The whole concept of /usr/src/linux is somewhat broken anyway. |
| 18:13.09 | Eclipser | PerfDave, so you say nvidia is way better? |
| 18:13.11 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: Wait... |
| 18:13.14 | Skrot | What is a good way to keep track of how much data ssh-users download via sftp? |
| 18:13.17 | SeicherlBoB | kingsley: thx |
| 18:13.34 | Eclipser | my ATI is practically unusable now... |
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| 18:13.52 | Eulex | E-bola, wierd? it doesn't require anything that can't found on any stable system... |
| 18:13.54 | Eclipser | well X still starts but all opengl stuff fails immediately |
| 18:14.00 | loopdee | PerfDave: hmmm, i installed the fglrx and it said to use.. module-assistant and something, i guess it set everything up like that |
| 18:14.01 | extr3m | whats a good mediaplayer that works for DVD's in X (kde) ? |
| 18:14.04 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Well, I know that I've personally had no problems installing the binary nvidia drivers on Debian, and that benchmarks produced by someone I trust indicate that it gives better performance than a price-equivalent ATI card. |
| 18:14.05 | Brox | im running debian i386 testing - its a fresh install: where can i find my xorg.conf |
| 18:14.14 | E-bola | eulex: well its cool i guess, had just imagined it would require something :) |
| 18:14.19 | Eclipser | as for performance, I really don't care :p |
| 18:14.27 | PerfDave | Brox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:14.28 | Brox | how can i updatedb locate |
| 18:14.34 | Eclipser | as long as I can develop my opengl stuff... |
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| 18:14.43 | PerfDave | Brox: man updatedb |
| 18:14.53 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Software rendering! :) |
| 18:14.56 | Eclipser | yea right |
| 18:15.00 | PupenoL | extr3m: I like kaffeine. |
| 18:15.10 | Eclipser | I get 100fps on glxgears with this laptop! :p |
| 18:15.17 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: I suggest reading http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/05/01/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=2 |
| 18:15.20 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Bah, I did all my OpenGL dev at Uni using software rendering ;) |
| 18:15.23 | Brox | Eclipser> 8) |
| 18:15.33 | PupenoL | Is there an easy way (like a command to run) to change the maintainer of packages ? (when building packages) |
| 18:15.39 | Eulex | Eclipser, what problems exactly do you have with fglrx? |
| 18:15.39 | SeicherlBoB | kingsley: thx, I'll have a look |
| 18:15.48 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: Especially the part about adding "local7.* /var/log/dhcpd.log" to /etc/syslogd.conf. |
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| 18:15.53 | Eclipser | Eulex, didn't I mention them to you yesterday? |
| 18:15.56 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: You're welcome. |
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| 18:16.14 | Eulex | Eclipser, maybe. you were the one who had it failing at re-login? |
| 18:16.19 | Eclipser | yeah |
| 18:16.38 | loopdee | PerfDave: can i recomplie the kernel with /usr/src/linux linked to kernel-headers? |
| 18:16.39 | Eclipser | I even tried to fall back on older drivers |
| 18:17.00 | Eclipser | and managed to make a new kernel which didn't use vesafb as someone in #ati suspected that it might result in that |
| 18:17.28 | PerfDave | loopdee: Why do you want to recompile the kernel? You'll have to (probably manually) redo the stuff you installed with module-assistant. |
| 18:17.30 | _lomper_ | hei, i have installed debian netinstall. there where no problems it ask me to reboot an so i did, i boot up debian and there was many thing showed up but after a while i get an text "wlcome to you new debisan system..." and i push ok but nothing happend, my keyboard dont work. Somebody know how i can get it work? i Hav an compay usb keyboard |
| 18:17.32 | Spec | Can anyone recommend good benchmark/testing software? (disk read/write speeds, cpu speeds, memory speeds, etc) |
| 18:18.03 | SeicherlBoB | kingsley: thx, that looks good. So i can't just name my own facilities. I have to use localX for custom ones? |
| 18:18.03 | vincent` | Spec: always liked bonniee++ for disk |
| 18:18.06 | PerfDave | _lomper_: Did you netinstall from floppy or CD? |
| 18:18.15 | Eulex | Spec, nbench for cpu/mem, hdparm for disk |
| 18:18.17 | loopdee | PerfDave: I want to test out fglrx internal agpgart, the kernel agpgart keeps taking over, just want to see if there is any difference |
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| 18:18.23 | _lomper_ | PerfDave: cd |
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| 18:18.52 | _lomper_ | PerfDave: :S |
| 18:19.07 | Spec | is cpuburn a cpu tester or does it just give you the added benefit of being able to fry eggs on your processor? |
| 18:19.18 | kingsley | SeicherlBoB: I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could try using your own. |
| 18:19.28 | Eulex | _lomper_, your keyboard doesn't work? what kind of keyboard? |
| 18:19.30 | PerfDave | _lomper_: Well, if you build a kernel with make-kpkg then it shouldn't use /usr/src/linux at all, so you should be OK |
| 18:19.42 | Assid | hey Spec: you think yuo could write that python script for me? |
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| 18:19.46 | _lomper_ | usb keyboard |
| 18:19.47 | SeicherlBoB | kingsley: well, I'll give it a try but thanx a lot anyway! |
| 18:20.00 | PerfDave | Whoops, loopdee: Well, if you build a kernel with make-kpkg then it shouldn't use /usr/src/linux at all, so you should be OK |
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| 18:20.09 | PerfDave | _lomper_: SOrry, misaimed that. |
| 18:20.30 | _lomper_ | PerfDave:ok |
| 18:20.35 | PerfDave | loopdee: Just make sure you use a debian kernel-source package so you can get your fglrx stuff working more easily with your new kernel. And see the previous conversation about getting ATI cards working. Maybe Eclipser can help you ;) |
| 18:20.42 | Eulex | _lomper_, does your keyboard work in console? (CTRL-ALT-F1) |
| 18:20.56 | kingsley | _lomper_: I'd google for the last message displayed (welcome...), usb and keyboard. It may be a known problem. |
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| 18:21.18 | _lomper_ | Eulex: dont know |
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| 18:21.40 | PerfDave | Eulex: I think that _lomper_ has just netinstalled and doesn't have X up yet. And if their USB keyboard isn't working, how are they going to press Ctrl-Alt-F1? ;) |
| 18:21.45 | _lomper_ | kingsley: what did you google for? |
| 18:21.48 | loopdee | PerfDave: Okay, thanks. |
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| 18:23.13 | loopdee | I have to run out, maybe I'll try this at a later time. |
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| 18:23.40 | Eulex | PerfDave, hmm, probably. When did he then get the "Welcome to you new debian system" text? I assumed he was referring to the "Welcome to debian" text in xdm. |
| 18:23.46 | PupenoL | Is there some program to do automatic changes to lot's of packages, like changing the maintainer of all of them, adding a changelog to all of them, etc ? |
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| 18:24.26 | Eulex | PupenoL, why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 18:24.27 | marstewel | PupenoL: different source packages ? |
| 18:24.47 | PupenoL | marstewel: yes. |
| 18:24.49 | kingsley | _lomper_: "welcome to your new debian system" hung | hang | stuck | keyboard |
| 18:24.52 | PerfDave | Eulex: Dunno, maybe you should ask _lomper_ - I thought he was talking about the base-config script which runs on the first boot after a netinstall. |
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| 18:25.09 | _lomper_ | i dont come to x |
| 18:25.10 | PupenoL | Eulex: I am re-packaging some Debian unstable packages for Debian stable and Kubuntu. |
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| 18:25.20 | bartden | hi, i found out what problem i have, when i direct connect a client to the samba PDC i can join the domain, but when i connect through a Dlink router (behind nat) , it wont even show a single connection from my client, any ideas ?? |
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| 18:25.42 | Eulex | PerfDave, ok. that's quite probable |
| 18:25.44 | shadfc | does a scp cause bashrc to be 'run' ? |
| 18:25.51 | Eulex | PupenoL, ok. you could try to write a script... |
| 18:25.52 | PerfDave | bartden: Can you route through NAT to the Samba PDC? |
| 18:26.05 | PupenoL | Eulex: that's what I'll do, but maybe someone already did it. |
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| 18:26.15 | _lomper_ | is there no way that i can get my keyboard working? |
| 18:26.19 | cr3 | how can I renew my dhcp leases? |
| 18:26.37 | PerfDave | cr3: The safest way is to ifdown/ifup your DHCP client interface |
| 18:26.38 | Eulex | _lomper_, how far in the installation is this? |
| 18:26.42 | bartden | PerfDave how can i test that, i can ssh to the PDC , so i can connect to it |
| 18:27.02 | sphenxes | I would like to install both Debian and Suse on my computer. however I would like that they share only the same /home directory. How can I do it? |
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| 18:27.09 | PerfDave | bartden: Then you can route to it :) |
| 18:27.17 | bartden | :) |
| 18:27.23 | marstewel | sphenxes: create /home on a seperate partition/disk |
| 18:27.25 | cr3 | PerfDave: I tried /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:27.31 | _lomper_ | Eulex: i have made the installation and reboot my computer and after i had reboot my computer it dont work. |
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| 18:27.45 | PerfDave | sphenxes: Set up one (or more) partition for SuSE, one (or more) for Debian, one for swap, one for /home. Mount /home from both Debian and SuSE. Pray you don't have conffile conflicts. |
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| 18:27.53 | PerfDave | cr3: That should do it. |
| 18:28.01 | marstewel | PerfDave: he can use the same swap part... |
| 18:28.10 | sphenxes | marstewel, PerfDave thanks |
| 18:28.15 | PerfDave | marstewel: That's why I said to create one swap partition, not one for each distro :) |
| 18:28.20 | Eulex | _lomper_, hmm. btw, you said you clicked on something? |
| 18:28.25 | marstewel | uups misread *g* |
| 18:28.25 | ratschnowski | hello. i want to install an php-accelerator on Sarge. i am using apache 2.0.54 and want to know, if there is any which u advise? |
| 18:28.34 | PerfDave | ratschnowski: mod_perl ;) |
| 18:29.07 | ratschnowski | ?? (do not get the joke) |
| 18:29.10 | _lomper_ | Eulex: clicked? |
| 18:29.12 | blondie | what's a php accerelator? |
| 18:29.19 | blondie | +sp |
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| 18:29.52 | sphenxes | PerfDave, is it possible to avoid confilicts? |
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| 18:30.49 | PerfDave | sphenxes: Not automatically, without using a seperate /home. Or maybe some UNIONFS magick, but that's beyond me. Basically if Debian and SuSE have a different version of $application, and they both read and write to $HOME/.$application but in different ways, you may have problems. |
| 18:30.50 | Eulex | _lomper_, sorry. thought you were referring to your mouse when you said that you pushed ok... so your keyboard worked on the first part of the installation, and didn't work after rebooting? |
| 18:31.04 | ratschnowski | blondie, its an php script cacher |
| 18:31.07 | _lomper_ | Eulex: tight |
| 18:31.25 | PerfDave | ratschnowski: Do you want to cache the scripts themselves or the output from them? |
| 18:31.27 | sphenxes | PerfDave, ic. thanks |
| 18:31.30 | _lomper_ | right* |
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| 18:31.54 | PerfDave | ratschnowski: mod_perl is the Apache module to make Perl scripts more fast and powerful, I'd recommend it to anybody who's considering using PHP *g* |
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| 18:32.11 | _lomper_ | Eulex: you got any idea? |
| 18:32.12 | SeicherlBoB | kingsley: Well, my dhcp now logs in another file, but it's still in the messages log aswell. Can i stop it from using the catchall-messages-file? |
| 18:32.18 | Eulex | _lomper_, and this is the sarge 3.1r0a installer? |
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| 18:32.36 | _lomper_ | Eulex: yes. |
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| 18:33.09 | PerfDave | _lomper_: You *might* try installing directly with a 2.6 kernel (enter "linux26" at the prompt on the install CD). I don't know if that will fix things for you, because I don't see why you should be having trouble in the first place. |
| 18:33.13 | Eulex | _lomper_, to me it seems like it used one kernel while installing and another kernel after installing |
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| 18:33.31 | Chris_DE | hi |
| 18:33.56 | _lomper_ | My keyboard work in ubuntu and ubuntu are using kernel 2,6 or? |
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| 18:34.19 | PerfDave | _lomper_: Ubuntu uses different kernels to Debian, the version doesn't matter so much as the compile options. |
| 18:34.29 | ratschnowski | PerfDave, I want to cache the scripts itself |
| 18:34.32 | _lomper_ | PerfDave: ok |
| 18:34.49 | CPD_Princ | #debian-br |
| 18:34.50 | Chris_DE | I'm new to debian and have 1 question: If I installed the debian system nothing works properly (I used the 180 MB image from debian.org). Is there any way to get the most important packages installed automatically? |
| 18:34.59 | ratschnowski | and ofcourse its output, just want to make my webproject a bit faster |
| 18:35.04 | |krusty| | help! i cannot mount my cdrom after upgrading my kernel to 2.6.14-2. i think my problem is related to S-ATA and ATA drivers.. anyone? Which driver is used (ide_disk, ide_cd, ide_core ++) ? |
| 18:35.09 | _lomper_ | PerfDave: so i need to reinstall debian and when it boots i should write linux26 ? |
| 18:35.24 | Eulex | PerfDave, so the 2.4.27 kernel is the default in the sarge netinst? as I've had to specify linux24 to make installing on this laptop work... (it needs libata.atapi_enabled and a 2.6.14 kernel or a kernel recompile of older ones) |
| 18:35.39 | PerfDave | _lomper_: When the install CD boots, type "linux26" to install with a 2.6 kernel. It may fix your problem. |
| 18:35.41 | Eulex | PerfDave, that is, older 2.6 ones |
| 18:35.51 | nuskool | why doesn't my batch processing computer support multiple users? |
| 18:36.01 | PerfDave | Eulex: linux24 should do nothing on an official Debian 3.1 installer. |
| 18:36.08 | _lomper_ | PerfDave: okej, thanx for the help i will return! |
| 18:36.12 | Eulex | nuskool, "batch processing computer" |
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| 18:36.22 | PerfDave | Eulex: If you're using a 2.6.14-based installer, it's not an official Debian 3.1 installer :) |
| 18:36.23 | shadfc | im trying to use keychain to cache keys for ssh/scp use (so scripts can run 'passwordless'). I use keychain --clear so a new login will clear the cache. However, I need be able to scp to and from that user. Will an incoming scp register as a login and cause keychain to clear the cache (breaking any further scp's FROM that user) ? |
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| 18:36.38 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: What do you mean by "nothing works properly"? |
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| 18:37.01 | Chris_DE | e.g. I cannot decompress a tar.gz archive |
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| 18:37.15 | Chris_DE | tar -xfz doesnt work... |
| 18:37.22 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 18:37.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:37.24 | Eulex | PerfDave, may be because I used a sarge rc installer. btw, it needed 2.4 or 2.6.14 and a kernel parameter or an older 2.6 and a kernel recompile |
| 18:37.25 | marstewel | Chris_DE: did you test another tar archive |
| 18:37.27 | ralf | what file says? |
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| 18:37.41 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: tar -xfz won't work. tar -xzf should. |
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| 18:37.53 | Chris_DE | tar doesn't know the z optino |
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| 18:38.07 | caphuso | Chris_DE: nonsense |
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| 18:38.19 | Chris_DE | so I think something with gzunzip seems to be missed |
| 18:38.21 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: Please paste the output of what you're trying to do to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 18:38.32 | caphuso | Chris_DE: more nonsense |
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| 18:38.44 | Eulex | ChanServ, (a) pebkac (b) b0rked system (most probably (a)) |
| 18:38.54 | Eulex | umh, Chris_DE ^^ |
| 18:39.01 | Chris_DE | Ok, what I did is I downloaded the latest asterisk from ftp.digium.com and made a tar -xfz asterisk* |
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| 18:39.07 | Eulex | tab complete is evil |
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| 18:39.17 | Chris_DE | as I always did id |
| 18:39.27 | caphuso | Chris_DE: see, pebcak. you're trying to uncompress the file "z" |
| 18:39.37 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: And did you try "tar -xzf" instead of "tar -xfz", like I suggested earlier? :) |
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| 18:40.02 | ralf | Chris_DE: `file archive.tar.gz` |
| 18:40.06 | Chris_DE | pefdave you are right |
| 18:40.10 | torc | how do I create a 20 Gb contiguous file on ext3? |
| 18:40.15 | Chris_DE | but is redhat so different from debian? |
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| 18:40.22 | PerfDave | Damnit, it's "PerfDave". Why do people have a problem with this? |
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| 18:40.34 | Chris_DE | I always decompressed using tar -xfz... ok, but thanks |
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| 18:40.52 | SeicherlBoB | I'd like to stop syslogd to log any local7.* in messages. how can i tell it? |
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| 18:41.03 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: I have no idea. "tar -xfz" would not have worked on any UNIX or Linux variant I've ever used. Deadrat may ship its own version of tar. That would be evil, bad and wrong, but that wouldn't surprise me from Deadrat :) |
| 18:41.04 | marstewel | SeicherlBoB: /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 18:41.05 | caphuso | you probably used "tar xfz" |
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| 18:41.19 | SeicherlBoB | marstewel: that's where i am |
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| 18:41.35 | Brox | where can i configure the standard browser under out of the box gnome? |
| 18:41.38 | caphuso | without the dash it works in that fucked up order, for whatever arcane reasons |
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| 18:42.35 | SeicherlBoB | marstewel: I've already set it up to log those events in another file, but i'd like to "clean up" the messages file, so i have to tell him to stop logging them there aswell |
| 18:42.38 | Chris_DE | caphuso. You are right. So I should stop work now :-) |
| 18:43.02 | vincent` | where does apt-get -f install download to ? |
| 18:43.27 | Eulex | vincent`, dpk -L pkgname |
| 18:43.37 | Eulex | vincent`, *dpkg |
| 18:43.51 | PerfDave | vincent`: /var/cache/apt/archives will contain the .deb but that's probably not what you want. The package will be installed and place files over your filesystem. |
| 18:44.18 | vincent` | thx |
| 18:44.42 | SeicherlBoB | is there something like a NOT-operator for syslog.conf (to tell it "log all except local7") |
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| 18:45.01 | marstewel | SeicherlBoB: man 5 syslog.conf |
| 18:45.02 | Chris_DE | ok, but now I again have the problem that programs are missing. E.g. I now try to do a make. So I had to install make using apt-get install make... and then see that gcc is missing. So is there a way to install a system with more "basic" programs? |
| 18:45.23 | mannyman | anyone know when firefox final will be released for debian ? |
| 18:45.35 | Eulex | Chris_DE, apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:45.36 | beardy | final? |
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| 18:45.41 | Ronin | mannyman: may already be in sid, and final? heh |
| 18:45.46 | marstewel | chris: apt-get install build-essentials |
| 18:45.56 | mannyman | 1.5 ? |
| 18:45.59 | marstewel | essential* |
| 18:46.13 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: When you install the system, you are given the option of several package sets to install. You can choose these again using "tasksel". |
| 18:46.16 | Chris_DE | thanks... Is there a list where such packages are listed? |
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| 18:46.26 | PerfDave | SeicherlBoB: There appears to be ! operator. As I suggested earlier, you might want to look at syslog-ng |
| 18:46.32 | Eulex | mannyman, wir siyh |
| 18:46.38 | Eulex | mannyman, wir *and* siyh |
| 18:46.44 | mannyman | ? |
| 18:46.47 | Eulex | !wir |
| 18:46.47 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:46.49 | Eulex | !siyh |
| 18:46.50 | dpkg | it has been said that siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 18:46.50 | marstewel | Chris_DE: this is a "meta-package" |
| 18:46.52 | Chris_DE | perfdave. great! |
| 18:46.54 | marstewel | or whatever it is called ;) |
| 18:47.02 | Spec | !rsn |
| 18:47.03 | dpkg | hmm... rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 18:47.05 | mannyman | ok |
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| 18:47.17 | marstewel | hmm virtual package? |
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| 18:47.24 | marstewel | or whats the right wording? :) |
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| 18:47.41 | Eulex | marstewel, only contains dependencies to other packages |
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| 18:47.51 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: What are you looking to make / compile anyway? |
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| 18:48.14 | Spec | Assid: ? |
| 18:48.21 | Eulex | Chris_DE, you will then probably need a few -dev packages depending on what the program depends on... |
| 18:48.43 | beardy | marstewel: Both, but they mean different things. |
| 18:49.04 | marstewel | n/m |
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| 18:49.10 | Chris_DE | perfdave as I told I'm trying to install asterisk |
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| 18:49.17 | marstewel | hmm... |
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| 18:49.25 | marstewel | virtual package is the right for build-essential, right ? |
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| 18:49.43 | SeicherlBoB | thx, now i got it. |
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| 18:49.56 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: Uhm, asterisk is available and installable in Debian already. "apt-get install asterisk" |
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| 18:50.52 | beardy | marstewel: As Eulex said, meta-packages contains only dependencies. Virtual packages also exist. www-browser is a virtual package, it's more the othery way around, many packages can depend on them, and therefor "provides" it. |
| 18:51.04 | CatShitOne | question is debian easy in use?? i tried fedora (no install becasue of sata) and Suse and linspire both won't install rpm |
| 18:51.05 | PupenoL | Having this: zaptel (1:1.2.1-1) unstable; urgency=low, how do I extract |
| 18:51.31 | beardy | marstewel: build-essential is a meta-package |
| 18:51.32 | Chris_DE | perfdave: right but I think I will have to recompile and because of this I would like to install everything before mounting the server in the rack |
| 18:51.33 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: What has installing RPMs got to do with being easy to use? |
| 18:51.39 | PupenoL | Having this: "zaptel (1:1.2.1-1) unstable; urgency=low", how do I extract 1:1.2.1-1 with grep ? I tried grep --only-matching "(.*)" but it also outputs the parethesis. |
| 18:51.42 | Eulex | !wayc Chris_DE |
| 18:51.43 | dpkg | Chris_DE: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 18:51.53 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: Why do you think you will have to recompile? Either way, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 18:52.01 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 18:52.52 | CatShitOne | Well installinga program of my own choice would be nice in a OS...you understand...and a simple point and click in 2005 looks like a piece of cake....or not? |
| 18:52.53 | Chris_DE | PerfDave: Becaus I will have to adapt some functions |
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| 18:53.35 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Uhm, that has nothing to do with RPM :) |
| 18:53.51 | beardy | CatShitOne: It's not harder than other distributions. (People that have been running other things may whine aboutthat the installer is not graphical for example, but that has nothing to do with ease of use) Have a try and see what you think yourself. |
| 18:53.53 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Debian installs packages simply and automatically using the deb package format, and the gigantic Debian package repositories. |
| 18:53.56 | bartden | hi, i found out what problem i have, when i direct connect a client to the samba PDC i can join the domain, but when i connect through a Dlink router (behind nat) , it wont even show a single connection from my client, any ideas ?? |
| 18:54.00 | Eulex | CatShitOne, you could install rpm's in debian, but it's not recommended (don't use other than in an emergency). btw, debian has gnome, kde, xfce etc etc. pick your choice. |
| 18:54.21 | marstewel | beardy: thnx |
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| 18:54.48 | PerfDave | bartden: In general, NAT and Samba don't mix - check the Samba documentation. You might try pushing the IP of the PDC to the client as WINS server, or using VPN to break the NAT. |
| 18:54.51 | juice` | hmmm 2 months ago i reported it, but its still there :( why there is no way to build php4 or php5 on testing or unstable ? ( it needs libdb4.2-dev and libdb4.3-dev which are in conflict - php4/5 needs only libdb.4.2-dev but it also needs apache-dev and apache2-prefork-dev which needs libdb-4.3-dev...) |
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| 18:55.05 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Indeed, installing software using Debian is easier than any other OS I've used, because the package repositories are generally very well maintained. |
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| 18:55.24 | nullvoid | hi room |
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| 18:55.30 | beardy | CatShitOne: You might find '/msg dpkg grounding' interesting. |
| 18:55.40 | juice` | i was told somebody mentioned it on dev channel , but its still impossible to build php4 or php5 on testing/unstable. will it be this way forever? |
| 18:55.42 | marstewel | CatShitOne: I have quite some (20+) real world examples where people having used e. g. RedHat or S.u.S.E. and which have tested Debian do not want to go back... |
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| 18:55.52 | PerfDave | Chris_DE: Like I say, "/msg dpkg usrlocal" if you're hand-compiling software, but I'd try using the Debian packages first. |
| 18:56.11 | marstewel | PerfDave: I do agree except for kernel :) |
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| 18:56.23 | PerfDave | marstewel: Sorry? |
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| 18:56.39 | beardy | CatShitOne: (ask dpkg about the other things that "grounding" mentions) |
| 18:56.44 | CatShitOne | Well i'm still a newbie with linux......switching from windows...and things arn't looking good for linux.....but how easy is it to install tarballs? |
| 18:56.48 | marstewel | PerfDave: PerfDave> Chris_DE: Like I say, "/msg dpkg usrlocal" if you're hand-compiling software, but I'd try using the Debian packages first. <== this one |
| 18:56.54 | nullvoid | I had setup vsftpd, there is one folder which I want 2 users to write data, but none of the user able to upload anyfile, the error is 553 Could not create file. |
| 18:57.02 | PerfDave | marstewel: I don't know what you mean. |
| 18:57.10 | beardy | CatShitOne: That is nothing you generally have to worry about. |
| 18:57.11 | Eulex | marstewel, for kernels too, if it's a possibility... you should always try use the binary packages provided by debian. |
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| 18:57.20 | torc | how should I allocate a very large (20GB) file in order to keep it at minimum extents? |
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| 18:57.26 | nullvoid | If it is permission issue what should I change chmod or chown to what? |
| 18:57.38 | beardy | CatShitOne: What are you going to use your computer for? |
| 18:57.48 | marstewel | Eulex: I use customized kernels... |
| 18:57.53 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: It's as easy on Debian as it is on any other linux distro. But you rarely (probably never) have to bother with tarballs, because things you will want to use will be prepackaged for you. |
| 18:57.58 | Eulex | marstewel, of course that doesn't apply to kernel compiling... but then you use make-kpkg, right? which doesn't create any conflicts at all. |
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| 18:58.09 | marstewel | Eulex: of course I use make-kpkg :D |
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| 18:58.41 | Eulex | marstewel, hope you got a valid reason for compiling it. |
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| 18:58.44 | CatShitOne | Yeah but i already spend 8 houres to google, read...(even got linux for dummies) i will try with debain....but is there a real stupid and simple tutorial how to install on tarball |
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| 18:58.57 | marstewel | well I have to use third party extensions... |
| 18:59.07 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Use Debian. You don't have to use tarballs with Debian. |
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| 18:59.17 | Chris_DE | perfdave thanks again... but now problems are starting. Tells me that "termcap" is missing so I installed apt-get install termcap-compat But no effect |
| 18:59.21 | beardy | CatShitOne: You don't need tarballs, forget them. /msg dpkg d-i if you have a better than dialup connection. |
| 18:59.28 | CatShitOne | Okay.....but firefox for example is only tarball (1,5 version) |
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| 18:59.44 | beardy | CatShitOne: Run the one that is in sarge. |
| 18:59.45 | ResPiDeR | how do I set a network between 2pcs? both detected its eth0.. one is 192.168.1.1 and other is 192.168.1.2 |
| 18:59.53 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Debian has a Firefox package in its repositories. |
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| 19:00.08 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: A "tarball" itself isn't a software package, it's something like a zip file. Different software is installed in different ways, generally there's a file called INSTALL within the tarball which tells you what to do. |
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| 19:00.12 | Spec | ResPiDeR: between two pcs directly connected or via a switch/hub? |
| 19:00.18 | PerfDave | ResPiDeR: What do you mean by "set a network"? |
| 19:00.23 | Eulex | CatShitOne, if you really really want ff 1.5 (which I don't see why) get the binary from experimental |
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| 19:00.32 | ResPiDeR | Spec: direct donnected.. without internet, not necessary |
| 19:00.38 | CatShitOne | Yeah but 1,5 isn't. And there is no install on the firfox tarball..... |
| 19:00.39 | Spec | you need to use a crossover cable |
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| 19:00.44 | ResPiDeR | Spec: I got |
| 19:00.46 | marstewel | ResPiDeR: cabling ? |
| 19:00.52 | Spec | k, just set both ips to 192.168.1.x |
| 19:00.54 | Eulex | CatShitOne, why do you want ff 1.5? |
| 19:01.02 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Well, that's not Debian's fault. Try reading the instructions on the Firefox website? |
| 19:01.08 | marstewel | Eulex: because its bleeding edge? |
| 19:01.12 | CatShitOne | because i already use it in windows |
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| 19:01.18 | beardy | CatShitOne: Is that version of ff the most important thing for you? |
| 19:01.26 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Why not just use the version of Firefox that Debian provides? It's perfectly good. |
| 19:01.27 | Spec | because 1.5 told me it'd sleep with me tonight if i installed it.... |
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| 19:01.40 | Eulex | marstewel, probably. |
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| 19:01.48 | ResPiDeR | Spec: I did it.. they dont ping each other.. and I did route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 in *.1 pc |
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| 19:01.53 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Once you're a bit more familiar with how Debian and Linux work, you can look at customising your install. |
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| 19:01.54 | CatShitOne | well firefox 1.5 solved a lot of security issues |
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| 19:02.02 | marstewel | ResPiDeR: cabling ?? |
| 19:02.20 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Debian packages have security support, which means that security issues get fixed for you. |
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| 19:02.22 | Spec | ResPiDeR: umm...i don't know, that's how i've always gotten two pcs to talk to each other ... :p |
| 19:02.32 | ResPiDeR | marstewel: I didnt get ur question.. 2 pcs connected with a cable, I want a net between them |
| 19:02.49 | PerfDave | ResPiDeR: You shouldn't need to play with routes generally. If you've got two machines which are physially connected and on the same IP subnet, then you should be fine. |
| 19:02.52 | marstewel | ResPiDeR: which cables did you use to connect those 2 PCs ? |
| 19:03.10 | ResPiDeR | marstewel: a crossover net cable |
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| 19:03.29 | le_mackeux | PerfDave: here i am back here. I'm still in the chroot and grub won' t install itself to /boot |
| 19:03.32 | Eulex | CatShitOne, security fixes get backported |
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| 19:03.56 | CatShitOne | Also i have the problem with RPM packages when they install they didn't showed up in the menu of both GNOME or KDE. is this the same as in debian? |
| 19:03.57 | ResPiDeR | PerfDave: that route was configured earlier, and as it worked with linux/windows |
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| 19:04.18 | marstewel | ResPiDeR: all of sudden it stopped working ? |
| 19:04.36 | beardy | CatShitOne: Backported means that they are ported and applied to earlier versions of programs in Debian stable (at the moment sarge). |
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| 19:04.37 | Eulex | CatShitOne, gui stuff should place an entry in the menu. otherwise it's a bug and needs reporting. |
| 19:04.37 | ResPiDeR | marstewel: no.. in linux/windows network it was ok.. I just want a linux/linux |
| 19:04.38 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: When you install Debian packages from the Debian repositories, and those packages are for GUI applications, they will put themselves in the gnome and KDE menus (and fluxbox etc.) |
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| 19:04.59 | marstewel | ResPiDeR: what is the output of ifconfig on both boxes ? |
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| 19:05.05 | PerfDave | ResPiDeR: How are you setting things up on the debian systems? Using /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:05.25 | ResPiDeR | PerfDave: no, just ifconfig, im newbie |
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| 19:05.48 | CatShitOne | Strange (stil using Suse waitng for the download of debain to finish) and when I install using Yast and use something from theri own cd-rom it also won't show |
| 19:05.52 | PerfDave | ResPiDeR: You want to use /etc/network/interfaces and ifup and ifdown, it makes life easier for you as a newbie :) |
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| 19:06.02 | ResPiDeR | marstewel: they show same ip, except .1 and .2, same bcast, same mask |
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| 19:06.08 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: YaST is SuSE-specific, there's no point talking about it on #debian |
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| 19:06.28 | ResPiDeR | PerfDave: the eth0's are up, and I can set ips to them |
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| 19:06.42 | PerfDave | ResPiDeR: Using ifup will sort out routing stuff etc. for you. |
| 19:06.47 | CatShitOne | I know but the guys over at Suse arn't usefull either.....so i try at the best..... |
| 19:06.50 | nullvoid | PerfDave: how can I share a folder with two person via vsftpd? |
| 19:06.54 | dusk | caitshit |
| 19:06.56 | ResPiDeR | PerfDave: ok, I'll try later, thankyou |
| 19:07.08 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Failure of #suse to support SuSE doesn't make it #debian's job ;) |
| 19:07.10 | le_mackeux | ParfDave: you have an idea y my grub install fine without warning but put nothing in the boot folder? |
| 19:07.22 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: Sorry, what are you doing now? |
| 19:07.36 | nullvoid | PerfDave: I mean both user able to write to the folder |
| 19:07.44 | PerfDave | nullvoid: Why are you asking me this? |
| 19:07.46 | Skrot | Is it possible to allow following symlinks in a chroot? |
| 19:07.46 | dli | le_mackeux, run "update-grub" |
| 19:08.02 | nullvoid | PerfDave: you are the only one helping in this chan |
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| 19:08.09 | dli | le_mackeux, maybe, you didn't run grub-install (or setup in grub cmd) |
| 19:08.17 | CatShitOne | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.22 | quitte | Skrot: if file and link are in the chroot and the paths are relative it works |
| 19:08.24 | PerfDave | nullvoid: That's not true. And I don't use ftp at all. |
| 19:08.30 | nullvoid | ok |
| 19:08.36 | Eulex | CatShitOne, 48 hours?? what are you downloading? |
| 19:08.40 | CatShitOne | well think i have to mess around in Suse untill then...thanks anyway |
| 19:08.47 | Skrot | quitte: okay, it's a dir outside the chroot, but I want the users to be able to access it |
| 19:08.53 | CatShitOne | Downloading more then debian......hehehehe |
| 19:08.56 | marstewel | Skrot: why ? |
| 19:09.02 | marstewel | Skrot: mount --bind ... |
| 19:09.08 | PerfDave | Skrot: Uhm, the point of a chroot is that you can't access files outside it. |
| 19:09.10 | beardy | CatShitOne: Are you downloading the netinstaller? |
| 19:09.16 | Eulex | CatShitOne, heh, ok. btw, if you've got a fast internet connection, you just need the netinstall. |
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| 19:09.41 | marstewel | Skrot: that does NOT mean I suggest it... |
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| 19:09.45 | Skrot | marstewel: Well, I want the users to have access to their homes, and a dir that contains documents that every user also should be able to access :) |
| 19:09.50 | CatShitOne | Maybe i try that but first mess around with suse ...se you later (when i ahve a next problem ) |
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| 19:09.52 | PerfDave | le_mackeux: So what have you done since last you were here? You've installed Debian with debootstrap from your Gentoo system, removed the Gentoo drive and put the Debian one in its place, and booted off the Debian drive? |
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| 19:10.05 | Skrot | marstewel: Problem is, the doc directory is way to big to duplicate for each user |
| 19:10.17 | Eulex | CatShitOne, so you're downloading a few full cds? or all of them? |
| 19:10.33 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: You probably want to read the Debian Installation Manual. |
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| 19:11.12 | beardy | !install guide |
| 19:11.13 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
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| 19:11.27 | beardy | CatShitOne: The first url above. |
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| 19:11.57 | CatShitOne | Eulex downloading the dvd's...and yes read the manual.....(btw the best manual i saw of linux...i finally know what all the directories are) |
| 19:12.01 | marstewel | !iyhtays |
| 19:12.02 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 19:12.03 | _lomper_ | PerfDave: my ketboard didnt work and you said i should try linux26 when i was installing and it worked :) |
| 19:12.07 | marstewel | heh |
| 19:12.08 | _lomper_ | many thanx |
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| 19:12.14 | marstewel | nice answer :) |
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| 19:12.41 | Skrot | marstewel: Mounting it with --bind would lead to having a "mount" in every users directory, right? |
| 19:12.46 | Eulex | CatShitOne, you most probably won't need more tha the first 2 or 3 cd's. and if you've got a reasonably fast downlink you will only need the netinstaller |
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| 19:13.19 | beardy | CatShitOne: The Debian Reference is probably nice to read as a new user, /msg dpkg reference. |
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| 19:13.30 | CatShitOne | Okay thanks will try that then....Reinstalled Suse and now it won't do anything...not even instal.....trying debian |
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| 19:16.19 | beardy | CatShitOne: The netinstaller is here: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ It installs a small base-system, then you install the packages you want, they are then downloaded and installed for you, so you only need to download the packages you need, or want to try. |
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| 19:16.51 | Skrot | marstewel: Okay. I've looked at the --bind option for mount. But why wouldn't you recommend it? |
| 19:18.06 | ries | I get a message in my apache2 error log that that libpng was compiled with png.h 1.0.12 and it's using png.c from 1.2.8. gd-png give me a fatal error now... |
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| 19:18.19 | RichiH_ | go |
| 19:18.21 | ries | then apache2 segfaults.... |
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| 19:18.24 | RichiH_ | ;p |
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| 19:24.15 | karsten | Bot wars? |
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| 19:25.18 | dimir | :-) |
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| 19:25.32 | dimir | ha><0rz! |
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| 19:25.41 | CatShitOne | Euh..back again...the installer says their is no HDD in my computer.....is debian build 2,4 or 2.6..because i need 2.6 for sata disks |
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| 19:26.03 | quitte | CatShitOne: boot with linux26 option |
| 19:26.04 | Eulex | CatShitOne, try linux26 at the lilo prompt |
| 19:26.05 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: The Debian installer has both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel, though it uses 2.4 by default. |
| 19:26.17 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Read the information given to you by the installer, or the Installation Manual. |
| 19:26.57 | CatShitOne | <---gotta learn to read first.......but thanks anyway |
| 19:27.32 | karsten | !ops consider blocks (excessive quits/joins) 85.108.51.84 85.102.154.127 81.214.99.20 212.156.192.240 85.106.245.184 85.101.231.220 81.214.95.189 85.108.174.99 85.107.109.34 83.179.210.111 85.107.72.66 81.214.97.88 |
| 19:27.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: consider blocks (excessive quits/joins) 85.108.51.84 85.102.154.127 81.214.99.20 212.156.192.240 85.106.245.184 85.101.231.220 81.214.95.189 85.108.174.99 85.107.109.34 83.179.210.111 85.107.72.66 81.214.97.88 |
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| 19:27.48 | RichiH_ | klined |
| 19:28.15 | CatShitOne | btw just have to say......you give great support here with fast answers....thanks |
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| 19:28.27 | RichiH_ | karsten: for some reason, there is a spike |
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| 19:28.43 | bluechild | hello |
| 19:28.52 | bluechild | Does anyone use yakuake ? |
| 19:28.53 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: We do our best :) |
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| 19:29.05 | karsten | RichiH_: Apparently. Note tha names, consistent naming, and repeat of a lot of .ru. netspace. |
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| 19:29.16 | PerfDave | bluechild: Never heard of it. If you've got a specific problem, ask about it? |
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| 19:30.04 | CatShitOne | btw what is de diffence between ext3 file system en reiserfs? |
| 19:30.07 | RichiH_ | karsten: i do not know if the names are really the same, over time |
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| 19:30.21 | bluechild | I can't find how to make yakuake transparent. Does anybody know if it haw a configuration file, because i can't find documentation .. |
| 19:30.21 | dondelelcaro | karsten: blocking them is kind of pointless, unfortunatly; asking in #freenode for klines is probably marginally more effective. |
| 19:30.24 | RichiH_ | karsten: if they were, it would be a _lot_ easier to get rid of them |
| 19:30.44 | RichiH_ | dondelelcaro: they will rejoin once they get a new ip or the kline expires |
| 19:30.44 | beardy | CatShitOne: I have only heard bad things about reiserfs. Use ext3. (my opinion) |
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| 19:30.52 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: Uhm, they're two different filesystems. ext3 should be fine for most purposes, and is also hugely stable. |
| 19:30.56 | RichiH_ | depends on what is earlier |
| 19:30.59 | CatShitOne | bad things??????? |
| 19:31.03 | karsten | RichiH_: You can /lastlog 'has left' and parse for IPs. |
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| 19:31.22 | amphi | CatShitOne: FWIW, ext3 has behaved badly for me |
| 19:31.44 | PerfDave | amphi: "behaved badly"? |
| 19:31.48 | Maulkin | CatShitOne: It depends what your purpose is:) |
| 19:31.50 | Eulex | CatShitOne, name, pronounciation and meaning ;) anywa, ext3 is more stable. reiserfs is faster in some cases. |
| 19:31.54 | RichiH_ | -!- Irssi: /LASTLOG would print 3637 lines. If you really want to print all these lines use -force option. |
| 19:31.57 | PerfDave | CatShitOne: I've heard that reiserfs is very hard to recover from corruption. |
| 19:32.08 | RichiH_ | karsten: i will whip up some perl tomorrow |
| 19:32.19 | RichiH_ | if you do it earlier, i will be happy to use it ;) |
| 19:32.22 | CatShitOne | <---well i have twoo 300 gig externe hdd that still have ntfs but have about 2million pictures on them |
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| 19:33.06 | karsten | grep @ | sed -e 's/^.*@//' -e 's/[ ]has left.*//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr |
| 19:33.15 | jeje_92 | bonsoir tout le monde |
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| 19:34.16 | Eulex | CatShitOne, well then, bad news for you: you can't write (safely) to an ntfs partition in linux. though you sure can read it. and it's not possible to convert an ntfs to another fs without having another disk as backup in the meanwhile... |
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| 19:34.44 | NOthsouth | where can I find som e how2 configure my VPN ? |
| 19:34.56 | BeBoo | Heya. I have a little problem, i need to install mysql-server-4.1 - but it wants to upgrade ef2sprogs, and doesn't allow me to - how can i fix so i wont upgrade that crap? |
| 19:35.02 | amphi | PerfDave: disappeared - clean shutdown, rebooted, and there it was, gone - a lot of stuff in /lost+found, and nowt else |
| 19:35.03 | karsten | Eulex: The captive driver sorta mostly works in some situations. |
| 19:35.09 | beardy | NOthsouth: If you mean howto (then say it) google perhaps? |
| 19:35.13 | karsten | Eulex: Yes, I'm aware it's deprecated. |
| 19:35.18 | Maulkin | CatShitOne: I've had problems with both. Reiser is generally faster, especially with small files, but when it breaks (both can break), reiser will break much more than ext. Search google for "ext3 reiser" for a fuller discussion than we can really provide here |
| 19:36.27 | jeje_92 | hello every boby, can someone can help me, it's for a problem of synchronisation between a debian and a pocket PC, for me all the drivers are OK, but it's impossible to see it on debian |
| 19:36.27 | NOthsouth | yes howto |
| 19:36.27 | amphi | CatShitOne: I'm using xfs now ;) |
| 19:36.27 | Eulex | karsten, so you really want to run a windows filesystem driver in linux? |
| 19:36.27 | karsten | !tell jeje_92 about ask |
| 19:36.27 | karsten | Eulex: No ;-) |
| 19:36.28 | karsten | Eulex: I was answering what's _possible_, not _desireable_. |
| 19:36.28 | beardy | NOthsouth: debian-administration.org has many good articles, have a look there |
| 19:36.28 | Eulex | karsten, true. |
| 19:36.29 | Maulkin | BeBoo: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 19:36.42 | Maulkin | BeBoo: if it's making you install other stuff with that command, you need it. |
| 19:36.45 | jeje_92 | i have just problem to see my pocket pc and use multisync with evolution fopr synchronisation |
| 19:36.52 | NOthsouth | beardy, thx dude |
| 19:37.10 | BeBoo | Maulkin, i have mysql-server-4.0 install, and i need to upgrade to 4.1 - cannot be true i need to upgrade efs2progs to to that |
| 19:37.32 | Maulkin | BeBoo: What else is it trying to install? |
| 19:37.47 | Maulkin | BeBoo: Please don't paste it in the channel BTW. |
| 19:37.48 | s0s | What's the easiest way to install OOO 2.0 on Sarge? It's not in backports. Compiling from sources will take forever. Binaries on oo.org are actually RPMs packed into *.tgz ! |
| 19:37.54 | RichiH_ | karsten: heh, i prefer perl :) |
| 19:38.00 | RichiH_ | karsten: anyway, tahnks |
| 19:38.11 | RichiH_ | i will look at the output and think abou it |
| 19:38.13 | karsten | RichiH_: NP. |
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| 19:39.07 | Maulkin | s0s: It's on backports.org |
| 19:39.12 | s0s | Is there an irc channel for openoffice? |
| 19:39.29 | Maulkin | s0s: probably #openoffice |
| 19:39.30 | s0s | Maulkin: I looked there twice. Didn't see it. |
| 19:39.35 | RichiH_ | karsten: i think i will still need to write sth that gives me nicks, too. and nicks across IPs |
| 19:39.37 | Maulkin | s0s: Read the latest news item! |
| 19:39.51 | SimonRaven | #openoffice or #openoffice.org |
| 19:40.10 | s0s | Maulkin: /topic ? |
| 19:40.23 | Maulkin | s0s: No, on backports.org |
| 19:40.27 | karsten | !ops turkish spam IPs FWIW: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1275 |
| 19:40.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: turkish spam IPs FWIW: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1275 |
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| 19:40.38 | jeje_92 | i have this : Dec 12 21:28:29 debian kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3 |
| 19:40.38 | jeje_92 | Dec 12 21:28:30 debian kernel: ipaq 2-1:1.0: PocketPC PDA converter detected |
| 19:40.38 | jeje_92 | Dec 12 21:28:30 debian kernel: usb 2-1: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to t tyUSB0 |
| 19:40.38 | jeje_92 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.56 | cr3 | anyone happen to know how to fetch newsgroup messages to a spool directory, for use with tin, without having to run a server line cnews or inn? |
| 19:41.10 | Maulkin | !tell jeje_92 about paster |
| 19:41.39 | s0s | Maulkin: I wonder why it's not in http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/stable/ though |
| 19:42.30 | s0s | Maulkin: thanks |
| 19:42.35 | Maulkin | s0s: No probs. |
| 19:42.45 | Maulkin | cr3: have a look at papercut |
| 19:43.03 | bluechild | Anyone who knows how to make yakuake transparent ? |
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| 19:43.08 | Flimzy | Odd question...... But does anyone know if a firewire X server exists, or might possibly be in the works? (for using a firewire port as a video output device, rather than a traditional video card) |
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| 19:43.22 | Skrot | Hi. I get a lot of "APIC error on CPU0: 60(60)" on my server, whats that about? |
| 19:43.35 | Maulkin | cr3: It's a server, but fairly simple and handles proxying |
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| 19:43.48 | Flimzy | Skrot: Probably a buggy BIOS and/or incompatible kernel options. |
| 19:44.01 | Flimzy | Skrot: I had that on this machine (dual-core AMD64) until I compiled my own kernel. |
| 19:44.13 | Skrot | Flimzy: Okay. What's APIC? |
| 19:44.15 | Flimzy | Skrot: I found reference on google to BIOS upgrades to some boards that also fix that |
| 19:44.25 | Flimzy | Skrot: Google would have a better answer than me |
| 19:44.36 | Skrot | yupp, I'm asking her ;) |
| 19:44.38 | Alver | Hello. I noticed the debian uim structure leaks badly; at this moment, xrestop shows 178780K total for uim. It constantly goes up. |
| 19:44.39 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Can you use a firewire port as a video output *device*? Surely you need a video *card* which outputs to firewire, or a video card which connect via firewire instead of PCI/AGP. Either way, it would be a matter of support for that video card rather than a seperate X server, I'd think. |
| 19:44.41 | hent | !APIC |
| 19:44.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... Can be disabled on boot by adding noapic (and nolapic for local apic) to your boot parameters. |
| 19:44.43 | markit | hi :) I've kernel 2.6.14-2-686. I've a program that generated kernel modules and put them in /lib/modules/2.6.14/extra/ instead of /lib/modules/2.6.14-2/extra/ is it ok? do I have to create some symlink? |
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| 19:45.08 | Flimzy | PerfDave: I'd like to use one of the existing firewire ports as a video output device. |
| 19:45.22 | PerfDave | markit: That's fine, the -2 isn't part of the kernel version, it's the revision of the Debian kernel package. |
| 19:45.34 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Is that technically possible with firewire? |
| 19:45.43 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Linux can communicate with a firewire port.. can capture video from a firewire port. Certianly it would at least be theoretically possible to output over firewire, too |
| 19:45.52 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Well, firewire was designed for video streaming... |
| 19:46.01 | markit | PerfDave: but I've read in the man that modprobe looks at /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 19:46.13 | markit | PerfDave: that would become /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686 |
| 19:46.19 | Flimzy | PerfDave: And with FireWire input ports on many HDTVs... it would be cool if I could stream my X server to an HDTV display without using my PCI-E slot |
| 19:46.36 | Flimzy | PerfDave: I don't see why it wouldn't be possible... of course, whether it's been done is another matter entirely |
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| 19:46.54 | s0s | When apt-get says "After unpacking 217MB of additional disk space will be used." , does this include /var/cache/apt ? |
| 19:47.04 | BeBoo | Isn't it freaking possible to use mysql-4.1 with php4-mysql, on stable? |
| 19:47.08 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Uhm, as I understand it, firewire is just an interface bus. You'd still need something on the end of the firewire which could take the signals and turn them into a picture. Maybe that'd be built into the HDTV. |
| 19:47.09 | Flimzy | PerfDave: And the CPU overhead may be prohibitive on modern hardware, too... not sure. |
| 19:47.12 | abrotman | BeBoo: kind of .. |
| 19:47.13 | Eulex | s0s, no, not afaik |
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| 19:47.21 | BeBoo | abrotman, how? |
| 19:47.39 | Maulkin | BeBoo: yes. |
| 19:47.43 | Flimzy | PerfDave: yeah, if the HDTV has a firewire input port, then it would presumably know how to interpret video streams (probalby in MPEG2, I'm guessing) it receives there |
| 19:47.48 | abrotman | BeBoo: php4-mysql links to libmysql10 or whatever it is .. which is for use with mysql4 .. you have to manually rebuild the package to use libmysql12 or whatever it i |
| 19:47.49 | abrotman | is |
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| 19:47.56 | PerfDave | Flimzy: When they say that firewire is designed for video streaming, this just means that it has sufficient *bandwidth* and low latency to stream video (at a certain quality and bitrate). |
| 19:47.58 | abrotman | BeBoo: or that's what i understand anyways |
| 19:48.04 | abrotman | of course .. you should really be using pgsql :) |
| 19:48.10 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Yes, I understand that. |
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| 19:48.28 | abrotman | spambots!!!!!!! |
| 19:48.30 | BeBoo | You were right about what i wanted, but how do i do that? |
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| 19:48.34 | PerfDave | Flimzy: So what you need to find out is whether there's an X backend for firewire-connected MPEG2 decoders or whatever :) |
| 19:48.37 | Flimzy | PerfDave: The point is... The bus supports it, common appliances (camcorders, HDTVs, etc) support it... so it should technically be very possible |
| 19:48.44 | abrotman | BeBoo: download the source package |
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| 19:49.00 | Flimzy | PerfDave: so... has anyone taken advantage of these physical capabilities in a way I can utilize to my advantage? :) |
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| 19:49.16 | PerfDave | Flimzy: I still think you're misunderstanding the concept here, and should do more research :) |
| 19:49.17 | BeBoo | and then what? |
| 19:49.29 | Flimzy | PerfDave: I don't think so |
| 19:49.50 | Flimzy | PerfDave: The difference, I suppose, is that X doesn't typically "stream" it's display |
| 19:50.18 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Well either I'm right or you're right, but we can't prove it either way so let's just drop it for now, shall we? :) |
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| 19:50.35 | PerfDave | Sorry, I'm finding this conversation frustrating. Actually, I think I should take a break and concentrate on more useful stuff... |
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| 19:50.43 | Flimzy | But it should be possible, at least in theory, to stream an X display given specified paramaters (fps, etc) |
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| 19:50.59 | Flimzy | And so long as the receiving hardware could interpret the stream... I'd think it would work. tehe |
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| 19:51.22 | Flimzy | I'll tackle that after I have my IVTV drivers working, tho |
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| 19:52.17 | Kerr | How can i broadcast a message, like the broadcast message at shutdown? |
| 19:52.25 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: mesg |
| 19:52.29 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: and write |
| 19:52.29 | SimonRaven | man wall |
| 19:52.35 | SimonRaven | or ^^ |
| 19:54.16 | sinned | how can i make automount/autofs run a script when it mounts a device? |
| 19:55.27 | SimonRaven | sinned: use auto.net as an example? |
| 19:55.48 | markit | any expert of modprobe? |
| 19:55.54 | markit | I've this structure |
| 19:55.58 | markit | > ermes:/usr/src/visdn-0.0.0# ls -l /lib/modules |
| 19:55.58 | markit | > total 0 |
| 19:55.58 | markit | > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 96 Nov 13 16:32 2.6.14 |
| 19:55.58 | markit | > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 456 Dec 12 20:52 2.6.14-2-686 |
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| 19:56.07 | Maulkin | !tell markit about paste |
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| 19:57.31 | Maulkin | Flimzy: I'd suggest using the latest tarball for ivtv :) |
| 19:57.43 | Flimzy | Maulkin: got that |
| 19:57.56 | DimmuR | Hi. I'm searching for some info about setting /dev/ permissions after boot. I've 2.6.14 kernel and after each reboot i have no access (as user) to sound etc (no rights) |
| 19:58.03 | Flimzy | it's not loading the firmware for some reason, tho |
| 19:58.21 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:58.34 | Maulkin | DimmuR: either have a look at /etc/udev or add yourself to the audio group |
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| 19:59.15 | DimmuR | thx |
| 19:59.18 | s0s | Windows has this software manager that tells you which programs you don't use much, so you can uninstall them if you prefer. Any such beast on Debian? I could use freeing up 200MB on /, and I already moved /var/cache/apt |
| 19:59.45 | thingfish | s0s: debfoster looks for unused bits, you might try it. |
| 20:00.03 | Flimzy | s0s, deborphan tells you which packages are not depended on |
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| 20:00.11 | Flimzy | s0s, doesn't track when they're used, tho |
| 20:00.24 | Flimzy | s0s, (which is honestly, a pretty bad idea anyway, IMO... even in Windows) |
| 20:00.27 | quitte | s0s: popularity contest might help you |
| 20:00.28 | Maulkin | s0s: apt-get install popularity-contest; popcon-largest-unused |
| 20:00.32 | bbrazil | s0s: I remember coming across something to do that, looked at atime |
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| 20:00.57 | abrotman | LoRez: ping |
| 20:01.09 | LoRez | abrotman: yes? |
| 20:01.18 | abrotman | LoRez: may i msg you? |
| 20:01.25 | LoRez | you may always /msg staff. |
| 20:02.55 | NOthsouth | how can I connect via ssh using nautilus ?? (like fish://user@server in konqueror) ? |
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| 20:03.21 | setuid | I'm trying to reconfigure 'login', so I can get the new login.defs in the package, replacing my local copy. dpkg-reconfigure isn't doing it. How do I do this? |
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| 20:03.57 | Maulkin | setuid: dpkg-divert may be able to help you |
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| 20:04.28 | mrnull | What's the best way to install KDE on a base system? |
| 20:04.35 | Maulkin | NOthsouth: file -> Connect to server. |
| 20:04.45 | thingfish | !install kde |
| 20:04.46 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 20:04.55 | s0s | is there any way to just do `dpkg -l | grep ^ii` but also print the sizes on disk ? |
| 20:04.57 | Maulkin | mrnull: apt-get install kde? |
| 20:05.07 | thingfish | mrnull: apt-get install kde works. |
| 20:05.12 | mrnull | thingfish: awesome |
| 20:05.16 | ansong | i could have sworn k3b was in testing... |
| 20:05.36 | NOthsouth | Maulkin, file ? |
| 20:05.41 | Maulkin | s0s: Really, have a look at popcon-largest-unused |
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| 20:05.51 | Maulkin | NOthsouth: yes, in the menu |
| 20:06.00 | thingfish | ansong: it was, but hasn't been for a little bit. /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
| 20:06.07 | setuid | Maulkin: Hrm, doesn't seem to be an intuitive way to use dpkg-divert |
| 20:06.21 | NOthsouth | Duh |
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| 20:07.02 | s0s | Maulkin: I looked at popularity-contest, it seems to want to set up cron jobs and email people on my behalf (even though anonymously) - I don't want that. This is why I use Linux LOL |
| 20:07.26 | NOthsouth | Maulkin, thx |
| 20:07.27 | Eulex | s0s, it can do HTTP |
| 20:07.38 | Maulkin | s0s: Just answer no to the first debconf question :) |
| 20:08.03 | s0s | Eulex: the only way I provide any feedback is by cursing on IRC :-) |
| 20:08.03 | Maulkin | s0s: Though I would reccomend using 'yes'. It's very useful to Debian |
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| 20:08.29 | setuid | Maulkin: Any idea how to actually _use_ dpkg-divert to extract the login.defs from the login deb so I can overwrite my local copy? |
| 20:08.35 | mrnull | !dns |
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| 20:09.14 | Maulkin | setuid: HAve alook at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91 |
| 20:09.16 | Eulex | setuid, use ar to extract the file, then edit the file, and then use ar to replace the file inside the deb... |
| 20:09.27 | Maulkin | setuid: update-alternatives may help you too |
| 20:09.35 | ansong | thingfish, thanks |
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| 20:10.11 | setuid | bleh, I'll extract it with mc |
| 20:10.22 | mrnull | Anyone know of an easy way to set DNS? I know I can edit the dhcp script |
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| 20:10.32 | Flimzy | What I need is a FireWire framebuffer driver! |
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| 20:11.47 | Maulkin | mrnull: Erm... you may need to be a bit more precise than that |
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| 20:12.24 | mrnull | Maulkin: I need to set my DNS server manually, even though my network uses DHCP |
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| 20:13.07 | Eulex | mrnull, not possible to correct it in the other end, ie the router? |
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| 20:13.22 | cr3 | slrn question: how can I configure slrn to read from a spool directory only, it keeps wanting a .jnewsrc file for an nntp server. |
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| 20:13.46 | Maulkin | mrnull: nam resolvconf |
| 20:13.54 | mrnull | Eulex: No. I want to set it to 4.2.2.1. It gets rid of my DNS lookup lag |
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| 20:14.06 | Maulkin | mrnull: the actual entries are in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:14.15 | mrnull | Maulkin: But doesn't resolv.conf reset everytime that networking does? |
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| 20:14.19 | r00t | mrnull: vi /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:14.41 | dondelelcaro | use resolvconf. |
| 20:14.48 | Eulex | !fixresolvconf |
| 20:14.49 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) |
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| 20:14.57 | dondelelcaro | learn resolveconf. love resolvconf. |
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| 20:15.06 | r00t | hate resolvconf |
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| 20:15.13 | mrnull | Ahh.. so it'll change the permissions so it can't be changed. |
| 20:15.15 | mrnull | Very cool |
| 20:15.26 | r00t | even dpkg agrees with me! |
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| 20:15.51 | r00t | mrnull: it's not permissions, it's an ext2 attribute |
| 20:15.52 | dondelelcaro | if you actually run on multiple networks, resolvconf is pretty much the only sane way to deal with it. If you know you always want to use a specific dns server, set it in your preamble. |
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| 20:16.07 | Maulkin | Well, that what I have actually done, but that's because I'm too lazy to do it the proper way :) |
| 20:16.19 | Maulkin | The proper way is detailed in resolvconf(8) |
| 20:16.29 | StylusEater_Work | when cardmgr statrs up I keep getting a ifup: Ignoring unknown interface eth0 error...I assume it's b/c the alias isn't setup for it...but I'm not sure |
| 20:16.29 | r00t | Maulkin: lol |
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| 20:17.16 | r00t | StylusEater_Work: they have some twisted way to handle pcmcia interfaces via debian's network config instead of pmcia-cs's... |
| 20:17.22 | Maulkin | StylusEater_Work: do you have eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:17.30 | __filip_ | i have get debian work now but there is one thing that i whant to change, i dont know what it is called in english but how "big" the screen is, i have 800*600 but i whant bigger. i have change in application->desktopproperties->screen but the biggest is 800*600. ps maybe the translation is not right ds |
| 20:17.43 | StylusEater_Work | Maulkin: no...and that's what I think I need to add |
| 20:17.54 | Maulkin | __filip_: the English word is "resolution" |
| 20:18.09 | __filip_ | Maulkin: okej! |
| 20:18.17 | Maulkin | __filip_: Which distribution are you on? |
| 20:18.22 | Eulex | !drxx __filip_ |
| 20:18.22 | dpkg | __filip_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 20:18.28 | Maulkin | That's the one :) |
| 20:18.34 | Maulkin | !beer Eulex |
| 20:18.42 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 20:19.12 | bbrazil | hmm, dpkg does one-pours |
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| 20:19.43 | Maulkin | Yeah, you can't be too greedy |
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| 20:20.25 | InitMass | which is the trick to get mp4 files to play under linux? |
| 20:20.40 | __filip_ | i need some help whit dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, please enter the video cards bus identifier ? |
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| 20:20.54 | bbrazil | __filip_: just press enter |
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| 20:21.03 | Maulkin | InitMass: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 20:21.03 | bobbens | How do you reload the fonts? |
| 20:21.06 | __filip_ | bbrazil: thanx |
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| 20:21.18 | fed_debian | iujaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 20:21.36 | Eulex | bobbens, restart xfs |
| 20:21.41 | fed_debian | alfin |
| 20:21.43 | fed_debian | debian denuevo |
| 20:21.48 | Eulex | bobbens, and any app you want it to take effect for |
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| 20:22.06 | mrnull | OK.. So I installed kdebase, what now? |
| 20:22.13 | Eulex | fed_debian, english, please |
| 20:22.16 | Maulkin | !pe |
| 20:22.22 | Maulkin | Damn. |
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| 20:22.27 | InitMass | Maulkin, i'm afraid vlc and xine aren't playing mp4 files correctly |
| 20:22.27 | __filip_ | Enter your monitor's horizontal sync range ? |
| 20:22.28 | bobbens | Eulex: i mean make debian search all the font folders and create a list out of them |
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| 20:23.08 | Maulkin | !es |
| 20:23.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:23.28 | Eulex | !tell bobbens about install font |
| 20:23.31 | Maulkin | __filip_: If you're not sure on an answer, just press enter |
| 20:23.43 | __filip_ | Maulkin: okej |
| 20:23.54 | Maulkin | __filip_: it *should* autodetect it |
| 20:24.03 | Maulkin | InitMass: try mplayer :) |
| 20:24.14 | Eulex | __filip_, you could look in the manual of your monitor. but the default values will most probably work. |
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| 20:24.43 | CatShitOne | btw by any change do you guys know what build fedora core 4 is? |
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| 20:24.52 | __filip_ | i have finish the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it is still the same resolution. |
| 20:25.05 | Eulex | CatShitOne, #fedora |
| 20:25.07 | InitMass | Maulkin, are you sure it can play mp4 files?? i already has w32codecs installed and gxine are using 'em |
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| 20:25.22 | Eulex | __filip_, you need to restart your X server |
| 20:25.39 | Maulkin | InitMass: no, unfortunately, I'm not certian. I've just found that mplayer can play thjings that nothing else can :) |
| 20:25.40 | __filip_ | Eulex: reboot my computer? |
| 20:25.43 | g3brown | Hi. I'm looking to find out if a motherboard is compatiable with Debian 3.1 (2.6 kernel). It's the SuperMicro PDSGE <http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/DualCore/955/PDSGE.cfm>. Any suggestions? |
| 20:25.55 | Maulkin | __filip_: control+alt+backspace |
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| 20:26.13 | Eulex | __filip_, no, but that'd restart X too. you could just do /etc/init.d/(x/g/k)dm restart though |
| 20:26.15 | InitMass | Maulkin, i know. it's great sometimes but not always |
| 20:26.38 | Eulex | Maulkin, ah, that too. __filip_, ^^ |
| 20:26.51 | Eulex | hmm |
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| 20:27.33 | mrnull | If i just installed kdebase, what x window server do I have? |
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| 20:27.57 | Maulkin | InitMass: Are you using sarge, etch or sid? |
| 20:28.01 | Eulex | mrnull, Xorg 6.8.2 on testing/unstable, Xfree86 4.3 on sarge |
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| 20:28.25 | __filip_ | Eulex: thanx, it work now ^_^ |
| 20:28.29 | Maulkin | InitMass: teher's also an xmms plugin for it. |
| 20:28.31 | mrnull | Eulex: Cool! How do I start KDE now? |
| 20:28.32 | Eulex | __filip_, yw :) |
| 20:28.53 | InitMass | Maulkin, ah really. i'll try that one |
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| 20:29.22 | Maulkin | InitMass: if you're running stable/sarge, you should read http://www.captain.at/howto-debian-sarge-xmms-mp4-plugin.php |
| 20:29.36 | InitMass | Maulkin, ok thanx |
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| 20:29.48 | Eulex | mrnull, doesn't seem like kdebase installs an X server. install it with apt-get install xserver-xorg (or xserver-xfree86 on sarge) |
| 20:30.22 | mrnull | thanks. |
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| 20:31.40 | karsten | TML: Thanks. |
| 20:32.25 | TML | karsten: No problem. Just to be 100% clear, !ops is an emergency type thing. If you passed those IPs to the freenode folks, we'll let them make that determination |
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| 20:33.25 | karsten | TML: OK and ack. Was trying to hit the bases. I'm clear now. |
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| 20:34.22 | bnoji | Is there an apcupsd channel? |
| 20:34.37 | bnoji | or maybe a general channel related to UPS'es? |
| 20:34.47 | karsten | bnoji: Just ask. |
| 20:35.00 | bnoji | karsten: I am asking... |
| 20:35.06 | karsten | bnoji: ... or /query chanserv *apcupsd* |
| 20:35.06 | bnoji | unless you mean, ask a specific question... |
| 20:35.14 | karsten | bnoji: Yes, latter. |
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| 20:35.57 | bartden | hi, somone here who can help me out with getting a samba PDC to broadcast on an other subnet behind nat ?? |
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| 20:36.14 | bnoji | I bought an APC SC1000 UPS and I installed apcupsd. It is supported when using a serial cable, however, mine was mistakenly shipped with 2 Serial-USB cables. |
| 20:36.31 | mrnull | Why would I not be able to get sound in KDE, but it's ok in console (mp3blaster?) |
| 20:36.40 | giupy | hi all |
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| 20:36.42 | bnoji | I'm trying to set up usbserial and apcupsd to read from /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 20:37.10 | bnoji | I can get the UPS bound to ttyUSB0, but I must have the wrong cable type |
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| 20:37.24 | bnoji | apcupsd fails saying it cant communicate |
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| 20:38.19 | bnoji | I assumed that the usbserial converter would work, regardless of the pin config in the serial->usb cable... |
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| 20:39.29 | mrnull | exit |
| 20:39.44 | DevilChaos | hi folks anyone in here from the uk? |
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| 20:40.04 | karsten | bnoji: Last time I played w/ APC, they had a distinctly wired serial cable. Have you googled? |
| 20:40.04 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: yes |
| 20:40.05 | Skrot | Is there any way to check how much data a user has transfered via sftp (OpenSSH)? |
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| 20:40.15 | bnoji | karsten: Yes, I have the pinout |
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| 20:40.20 | DevilChaos | im trying to update and its saying its taking like 2 days for the server is something major happening? |
| 20:40.21 | Maulkin | bnoji: IIRC, APC don't use standard pinouts |
| 20:40.26 | karsten | bnoji: Is it standard serial or not? |
| 20:40.36 | __filip_ | are debian beeing aotu updated like ubuntu or does i need to to something to get the latest updates? |
| 20:40.36 | bnoji | karsten: its not standard, however, that shouldnt matter... |
| 20:40.40 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: What server? |
| 20:40.51 | Maulkin | __filip_: What? |
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| 20:40.59 | DevilChaos | ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 20:41.02 | bnoji | I was hoping that the usbserial driver would be able to replicate the pinout |
| 20:41.02 | DevilChaos | hands |
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| 20:41.11 | DevilChaos | and blueyonder |
| 20:41.12 | karsten | bnoji: Possible point. |
| 20:41.14 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: I don't think that there's any problems at the mo |
| 20:41.24 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: hang on... |
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| 20:41.29 | DevilChaos | iv tested my connection to the net and its 1.72mg |
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| 20:41.36 | __filip_ | Maulkin: in ubuntu i get an message when i have updates, will debian make the same thing? |
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| 20:41.49 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: Erm... you seem to be on plus.net |
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| 20:42.10 | Maulkin | __filip_: I don't know. It depends on the package and versions. |
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| 20:42.19 | __filip_ | Maulkin: ok |
| 20:42.24 | bnoji | karsten: basically, either usbserial will pass through the serial data without touching it, or it relies on the standard serial pinout and Im back where i started... |
| 20:42.26 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: What's your blueyonder IP? |
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| 20:42.38 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 20:42.49 | DevilChaos | oh the server name |
| 20:42.54 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: oh, both of them? |
| 20:42.55 | Maulkin | Ok. |
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| 20:43.15 | bnoji | _but_ depending on how complex the usbserial code has gotten (i played with it a few years ago), you may be able to reverse the pins in the driver code... |
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| 20:43.15 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: if it's both, I'd suggest it's you connection. |
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| 20:43.19 | DevilChaos | ftp.blueyonder.net ithink |
| 20:43.31 | DevilChaos | i thought so |
| 20:43.42 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: Especially if you're with plusnet :P |
| 20:43.49 | pdani_ | what are those "legacy" nvidia drivers? |
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| 20:44.00 | DevilChaos | im having no trouble through crappy windows |
| 20:44.14 | DevilChaos | whats wrong with plusnet? |
| 20:44.14 | Maulkin | pdani_: Can you give us some context please? |
| 20:44.28 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: I've had plenty of issues with them. |
| 20:44.39 | DevilChaos | who are you with now? |
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| 20:45.10 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: Clara/Zen at work, blueyonder cable at home |
| 20:45.17 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: But this is very OT. |
| 20:45.26 | DevilChaos | ot? |
| 20:45.30 | Maulkin | DevilChaos: feel free to /msg me re: ISPs |
| 20:45.33 | Maulkin | Off topic |
| 20:45.44 | DevilChaos | sorry dont know all the abrieviations |
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| 20:45.58 | pdani_ | The NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro GPU installed |
| 20:45.58 | pdani_ | in this system is |
| 20:46.00 | pdani_ | [4302923.876000] NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA Legacy drivers. |
| 20:46.02 | Maulkin | No probs :) |
| 20:46.12 | Thaiger | I'm trying to get my wifi pcmcia card to work so I got my kernel sources and the pcmica-cs sources and made a kernel config file. But when I try to compile with make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image the kernel image goes ok but the modules part fails with cp: cannot stat 'debian/pcmcia-cs/etc/init.d/pcmcia' : no such file or directory, but I got the source from apt. |
| 20:46.22 | blondie | btw |
| 20:46.25 | blondie | plusnet sux0r |
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| 20:47.30 | Maulkin | Thaiger: Is there a problem with just using the binaries? |
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| 20:47.47 | santi | hola |
| 20:47.59 | santi | hay alquien |
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| 20:48.23 | santi | #debian |
| 20:48.30 | pitillo | santi, entra en #debian-es |
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| 20:48.47 | santi | #debian-es |
| 20:48.48 | mrnull | !resolv.conf |
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| 20:49.08 | mrnull | !resolv.conf troubles |
| 20:49.09 | santi | #join debian-es |
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| 20:49.12 | pitillo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.41 | mrnull | What was that resolv.conf fix again? |
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| 20:50.36 | Eulex | !fixresolvconf |
| 20:50.36 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) |
| 20:51.07 | Maulkin | mrnull: In future, can you please /msg the bots? Thanks. |
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| 20:52.27 | bucky | Eulex, that's a hack |
| 20:52.45 | karsten | bucky: ... and your point is ;-) |
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| 20:53.28 | Eulex | Thaiger, why not run a debian stock kernel? |
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| 20:53.32 | Eulex | bucky, yep |
| 20:53.34 | [algo] | how to install php5.1 package? I'm on stable now.. |
| 20:53.42 | bucky | you should apt-get dhcp3-client and edit the conf file to use the name servers you want |
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| 20:54.13 | Maulkin | mrnull: just add your line to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head |
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| 20:54.25 | abrotman | !backports |
| 20:54.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 20:54.50 | [algo] | !php51 |
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| 20:54.57 | [algo] | !php5.1 |
| 20:55.04 | Maulkin | [algo]: Please message the bots |
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| 20:55.21 | Eulex | [algo], try listkeys |
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| 20:55.45 | [algo] | eh why simple thing is so damn hard |
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| 20:56.04 | [algo] | maybe that's because I'm new to Debian .. :/ |
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| 20:56.17 | vincent` | hrm how do i rework the debian netinstall to have a newer kernel ? |
| 20:56.19 | karsten | bucky: Sure, you can use PPP or DHCP conf for that purpose. |
| 20:56.36 | karsten | vincent`: On install, or when booting the new system? |
| 20:56.38 | Eulex | !tell [algo] about dotdeb |
| 20:56.41 | Maulkin | vincent`: Which installer are you using? |
| 20:56.49 | vincent` | karsten: on install, i want to run 2.6.14 so i have drivers for my 3ware card |
| 20:56.57 | vincent` | Maulkin: testing netinstall |
| 20:56.59 | vincent` | it's 2.6.12 |
| 20:57.04 | bucky | karsten, dhclient seems to ignore it's dhclientl.conf ...but dhcp3-client seems to work as advertised |
| 20:57.14 | karsten | bucky: That would be a bug. |
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| 20:57.25 | bucky | prolly |
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| 20:58.04 | Eulex | [algo], why do you assume it's easy? and why do you assume that there's no reason for that php5.1 ain't in stable? |
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| 20:58.11 | dj_jhor | sid doesn't install in my amd64 box. It is unable to find my SATA disks |
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| 20:58.27 | vincent` | dj_jhor: know what sata controller you have ? |
| 20:58.35 | Maulkin | vincent`: Ahh. Erm... I don't think the standard installer uses 2.6.14 at the mo... |
| 20:58.37 | [algo] | Eulex, thanks. Maybe that's because I'm used to freebsd ports too much |
| 20:58.57 | Eulex | [algo], there's a reason it's called stable, btw |
| 20:58.58 | vincent` | Maulkin: yeah, that's why i want to make my own, just found a howoto on d-i.alioth.debian.org |
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| 20:59.34 | dj_jhor | nope, i have a compaq presario SR1639, but there is no technical information avalaible from compaq. I've tried Sisoft Sandra, but the information doesn't make any sense to me |
| 20:59.43 | DevilChaos | by folks |
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| 20:59.51 | DevilChaos | lol damn typos |
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| 21:00.06 | Maulkin | vincent`: There's quite a bit more info in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller too |
| 21:00.13 | vincent` | Maulkin: thx |
| 21:00.19 | Maulkin | vincent`: np |
| 21:00.42 | Brox | hi how can i get the current window by moving my mouse over it (that is not clicking on it) -- unix style?? |
| 21:00.44 | Brox | gnome |
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| 21:01.09 | Thaiger | Eulex: Can I run a stock kernel and still get my wireless to work? |
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| 21:01.38 | Maulkin | Brox: Desktop -> PReferences -> Windows |
| 21:01.48 | Eulex | Thaiger, what chipset, manufacturer, model, driver? |
| 21:01.52 | cal_ | thaiger: possibly, what chipset do you have? |
| 21:01.55 | Maulkin | Thaiger: Probably. I do. Depends on teh chipset |
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| 21:02.34 | Brox | yeah |
| 21:02.35 | cal_ | if theres no free driver for it, you'll have to use ndiswrapper, and that can get complicated ;) |
| 21:02.35 | jshoenberger | What's a good program to monitor server processes, harddrive space and such through SNMP? |
| 21:02.49 | vincent` | nagios |
| 21:02.57 | Brox | i gotta get more intimate with PReferences |
| 21:03.01 | dj_jhor | sid installer can't recognize my SATA disk, it's a SAMSUNG 1614C/R |
| 21:03.02 | AMG-CC | ňóň ĺńňü ęňî ďî đóńńęč ăîâîđčň ? |
| 21:03.11 | Thaiger | Eulex: cal_ Maulkin Linksys WPC11 PCMCIA Prism II |
| 21:03.15 | Maulkin | cal_: I've not found it complicated. Unstable and flaky, yes, but not complicated :) |
| 21:03.18 | vincent` | djace_: have you tried 'linux26' at the boot prompt ? |
| 21:03.26 | Brox | dj_jhor> modprobe sata_uli |
| 21:03.32 | Brox | or sata_x |
| 21:03.37 | Brox | there are a few |
| 21:03.54 | Brox | dj_jhor> what mobo do you have? |
| 21:04.17 | Brox | dj_jhor> or if youre using stable try testing |
| 21:04.23 | Brox | your |
| 21:04.36 | cal_ | Maulkin: it gets complicated on non-x86 platforms ;) |
| 21:04.52 | Maulkin | cal_: Yup, I've used one on mips :| |
| 21:05.14 | Maulkin | cal_: mind you, I've done kernel module hacking before :) |
| 21:05.20 | dj_jhor | i've tried sata_sil, the installer then recognizes the disk, everything looks fine, but when the installation ends and reboots, kernel panic. I don't know my mobo, it's a amd64 box, compaq presario SR1639, but I can't find any technical data at Compaq website |
| 21:05.26 | vincent` | oy putting a new kernel in a netinstall doesn't look fun |
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| 21:05.37 | Maulkin | vincent`: No, it's not trivial |
| 21:05.39 | vincent` | dj_jhor: what does your grub boot line look like ? |
| 21:05.48 | cal_ | Maulkin: heh. your definition of "complicated" may be different from mine then. :) |
| 21:05.54 | Maulkin | cal_: :) |
| 21:06.05 | Intelsdog | cal ndiswrapper is great for commerical distros but using etch requires recompile the core becasue ndiswrapper is not current |
| 21:06.38 | Brox | dj_jhor> sounds harsh - i might be the mobo. But you never know ;) |
| 21:07.03 | Brox | dj_jhor> sorry for not beeing helpful but i have no idea |
| 21:07.34 | dj_jhor | Brox: thks anyway |
| 21:07.45 | cal_ | thaiger: i think your card is _possibly_ has a free driver |
| 21:07.50 | doubleukay | how do i move a LV from a VG to another? (LVM2) |
| 21:08.07 | cal_ | thaiger: modconf and kernel/drivers/net/wireless/prism54 modules |
| 21:08.10 | doubleukay | obvious solution would be to recreate the LV on the target VG, andrun dd to copy |
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| 21:08.25 | Maulkin | Thaiger: I should eb wither prism54 or orinoco_cs |
| 21:08.43 | Maulkin | It depends on teh revision |
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| 21:09.26 | vincent` | doubleukay: pvmove -n /dev/volgroup/blah /dev/vg1 /dev/vg2 |
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| 21:09.37 | vincent` | don't even have to unmount |
| 21:09.43 | doubleukay | hmm let's try.. |
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| 21:09.50 | vincent` | backup first =P |
| 21:09.51 | Eulex | Thaiger, lspci |
| 21:09.52 | berzerka | hello guys, i want to get x11 forwarding over ssh running. i have enabled ForwardX11Trusted and ForwardX11 in ssh_config, what else do i have to do? |
| 21:10.05 | vincent` | berzerka: ssh in with the -X option |
| 21:10.18 | cal_ | Intelsdog: i didn't say i liked it :D using binary drivers isn't fun |
| 21:10.26 | caphuso | berzerka: enable x11 forwarding in sshd_config too |
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| 21:10.43 | Thaiger | Maulkin: I'm sorry if its a stupid question, but would I just modprobe the prism54 then? Because I've done that and still iwconfig doesn't see a wlan0. Also if I do a cardctl ident it just gives me socket0: no product information avalible, is that a problem? |
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| 21:10.58 | Ranpha | Guys help my x server won't start i think i have inputted something wrong how can i restart the X desktop config? |
| 21:10.59 | tombo | when I ssh -fgCNL 46667:42025:192.168.32.93:139 myaccount@remoteserver.org; I get bind: Address already in use. Any Idea? |
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| 21:11.22 | dj_jhor | how can i know which motherboard does my computer have ? |
| 21:11.30 | c4_ | dual channel is not "implemented" in Xorg? |
| 21:11.31 | beardy | Ranpha: Ctrl-c quits it, or just go through all questions and run it again. |
| 21:11.35 | ShUn | /server -m irc.netviolator.net |
| 21:11.37 | Thaiger | Eulex: lspci shows a CardBus bridge Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus controller |
| 21:11.38 | ShUn | opsssss |
| 21:11.42 | Maulkin | !drxx |
| 21:11.43 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:11.44 | c4_ | dj_jhor: open the case |
| 21:11.44 | ShUn | sorry pplz :(( |
| 21:12.04 | c4_ | dj_jhor: or read the manual |
| 21:12.06 | berzerka | hey, it works! dont seem to need it in sshd_config. thanks vincent`, thanks caphuso |
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| 21:12.36 | Eulex | Thaiger, not your cardbus controller, the actual network card... |
| 21:12.38 | doubleukay | vincent`, thanks. i had to add the target PV to the VG first, move them over, and remove the source PV. |
| 21:12.42 | dj_jhor | i've opened the case and there is no info in the manual about that |
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| 21:13.14 | NyteRukh | hi |
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| 21:13.25 | c4_ | dj_jhor: root# lspci ? |
| 21:13.30 | vincent` | tombo: i think you're using -L with the wrong syntax, man ssh |
| 21:13.30 | cal_ | dj_jor: does your bios print the mobo spec at boot? |
| 21:13.39 | Thaiger | Eulex: I don't see it in lspci, I just see the controller |
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| 21:14.00 | c4_ | dj_jhor: read the FCC number and go to fcc.gov ?? |
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| 21:14.22 | Eulex | Thaiger, hmm, have you built the kernel yourself? do you get any output in your console (CTRL-ALT-F1) when you insert and remove th card? |
| 21:14.54 | Maulkin | Does anyone know if there's a solution to the jpilot/udev problem? |
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| 21:15.31 | Maulkin | (ie: jpilot-sync expects a hotsync event from the device, but the device block isn't created until hotsync is pressed) |
| 21:15.38 | Thaiger | Eulex: Yes, its from pcmica-cs its just says memory probe then the address range in hex excluding some other hex address then Warning: no high memory space avalible |
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| 21:15.56 | dj_jhor | the fcc number? how it looks like ? and what can I find in fcc.gov? |
| 21:16.00 | Eulex | Thaiger, hmm |
| 21:16.17 | Eulex | dj_jhor, feed http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ with lspci -n |
| 21:16.25 | sifisdf | how can I list all file systems and partitions on a device? |
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| 21:16.36 | c4_ | dj_jhor: the FCC number is "unic" and is printed in the board some where |
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| 21:16.52 | vincent` | Maulkin: have you seen http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_USB_sync_for_Palm_PDAs_with_Evolution_2.0_and_udev ? |
| 21:17.00 | Thaiger | sifisdf: All the mounted ones show up with mount if thats the sort of thing you're looking for |
| 21:17.05 | cal_ | sifisdf: "df -HT" |
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| 21:17.35 | Maulkin | vincent`: yup. |
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| 21:17.49 | mrnull_ | Anytime I run a GUI my computer eventually freezes.. xfonts-base is installed. Any idea? |
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| 21:17.50 | vincent` | no dice ? |
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| 21:18.06 | cal_ | sifisdf: maybe with an "| grep hd*" |
| 21:18.09 | Eulex | Thaiger, is hotplug and sicover installed? |
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| 21:18.16 | c4_ | dj_jhor: fcc.gov have the info of the fcc numbers and who have build that hardware (sorry, my english is bad i hope you understand) |
| 21:18.43 | Eulex | Thaiger, umh, discover |
| 21:18.45 | c4_ | dj_jhor: but try "root# lspci" first |
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| 21:18.52 | Maulkin | vincent`: the problem is that jpilot-sync/pilot-link expects a hotsync event. But it's already in hotsync mode for udev to create the device node |
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| 21:19.06 | vincent` | ugh |
| 21:19.07 | Thaiger | Eulex: Yes they are both installed |
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| 21:19.14 | Maulkin | vincent`: and stoppign the sync will distroy that. |
| 21:19.26 | Maulkin | I have tried with hardlinks, but no dice |
| 21:19.29 | cr3 | how can I display info about an installed package, ie I don't have the package file anymore to run: dpkg -I package_file |
| 21:19.40 | sifisdf | cal_, Thaiger the device is not mounted and I need the filesystem for it to being able to mount it |
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| 21:19.48 | Maulkin | cr3: dpkg -l |
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| 21:20.24 | cal_ | sifisdf: what is the device? |
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| 21:20.30 | cr3 | Maulkin: doesn't -I display more information than -l? |
| 21:20.32 | Maulkin | vincent`: It does work if you're *very* quick with the sync. |
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| 21:20.35 | c4_ | i have bought another memory and have enable the dual channel (i have an IGP video board) is some way to use dual channel with xorg or xfree86? |
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| 21:20.41 | sifisdf | cal_, sda, and fdisk does not show filesystems |
| 21:20.45 | vincent` | ahah not good when you're drunk ? |
| 21:20.56 | Maulkin | cr3: They display different info |
| 21:20.59 | stewie | what file do i edit to disable dma in grub ? |
| 21:21.10 | Maulkin | -I == info about a file, -l == info about a package. |
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| 21:21.19 | Maulkin | man dpkg for further info |
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| 21:21.29 | Brox | where do debian users have their modules.autoload? |
| 21:21.35 | cal_ | sifisdf: i meant, is it a usb stick? |
| 21:21.40 | Maulkin | sifisdf: cfdisk? |
| 21:21.48 | stewie | i said what file |
| 21:21.50 | stewie | not where it is |
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| 21:22.15 | cr3 | Maulkin: so is there any way to display the info that would've been returned by -I if I no longer have the original package? |
| 21:22.21 | Brox | or where do i autoload modules... |
| 21:22.23 | Maulkin | stewie: /boot/grub/menu.list ? |
| 21:22.53 | sifisdf | Maulkin, how can i list devices that is not mounted through cfdisk |
| 21:22.54 | sifisdf | ? |
| 21:22.59 | sifisdf | cal_, yes |
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| 21:23.11 | stewie | ok thanks |
| 21:23.22 | cal_ | sifisdf: then it's almost certainly one of the FAT filesystems |
| 21:23.31 | Brox | i want snd-mixer-oss to be loaded on boot |
| 21:23.32 | Maulkin | cr3: apt-cache show |
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| 21:23.47 | apfel | Is there a program that lists me all available access points? |
| 21:23.57 | cal_ | sifisdf: try fat16/32 etc |
| 21:23.59 | Maulkin | Brox: /etc/modules |
| 21:24.07 | gnube | which do people prefer for an MTA on a static IP in a small network with a very small load; exim or postfix? |
| 21:24.11 | zOap | why do I have to be su to reboot? why won't sudo reboot do the job? what did I miss? I am in sudoers file with all permission... |
| 21:24.18 | cal_ | i don't know any program that looks at the magic numbers, sorry |
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| 21:24.45 | sifisdf | cal_, I know which fs it actually is, but I really want to know how to mount devices with unknowned fs in the future |
| 21:24.52 | Maulkin | sifisdf: diff /etc/fstab /etc/mtab ? |
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| 21:25.18 | Maulkin | zOap: sudo reboot works for me |
| 21:25.42 | kingsley | What are the pros and cons of migrating from mutt to kmail? |
| 21:25.44 | gnube | zOap what is the line from /etc/sudoers? |
| 21:25.54 | cal_ | sifisdf: oh lol. i don't know, sorry |
| 21:25.58 | gnube | kingsley color |
| 21:25.59 | Ranpha | damn it...i can't enter my debian system..forgot my password..... |
| 21:26.07 | Maulkin | gnube: Personally, I prefer exim. It's quite an odd question though. It's personal taste :) |
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| 21:26.19 | kingsley | gnube: Can you elaborate? |
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| 21:26.27 | zOap | gnube, myuser ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 21:26.40 | apfel | How can I list all available access points? |
| 21:26.44 | sifisdf | cal_, what about if you have a USB disk with unknowned fs in your hand, how do you mount it without test 100 fs types in mount? |
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| 21:26.50 | Maulkin | zOap: What error do you get when running the command? |
| 21:26.52 | Brox | where can i change the language of my gnome? |
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| 21:27.00 | zOap | Maulkin, command not found |
| 21:27.07 | gnube | kingsley: The main difference is interface right? So with Kmail you can colorize the GUI sweetly. |
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| 21:27.08 | Eulex | !password reset |
| 21:27.09 | dpkg | somebody said password reset was You can't recover a password but you can reset it. With LILO, enter "linux single init=/bin/bash", then at the shell prompt, "mount -o remount,rw /; passwd; mount -o remount,ro /". Then reboot. |
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| 21:27.22 | Maulkin | zOap: can you do "sudo /sbin/reboot"? |
| 21:27.53 | edrin | --my sound of my cmipci soundcard with kernel 2.6 sounds very strange, nearly no bass and treble too high |
| 21:27.54 | sifisdf | Maulkin, is there no way to list fs on umounted dev? |
| 21:27.58 | Ranpha | somebody said password reset was You can't recover a password but you can reset it. With LILO, enter "linux single init=/bin/bash", then at the shell prompt, "mount -o remount,rw /; passwd; mount -o remount,ro /". Then reboot.<-----------------OH.....too late know...reinstalling......thanks....for next time then |
| 21:28.01 | edrin | cmedia soundcard |
| 21:28.03 | gnube | Maulkin : I have a bit of experience with exim4, it is not an easy tool to configure though. I wonder if postfix is easier? |
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| 21:28.09 | kingsley | gnube: I wasn't aware that the main difference between mutt and kmail is their interfaces. |
| 21:28.27 | Maulkin | gnube: No idea. I use exim :) |
| 21:28.33 | sifisdf | Maulkin, the dev was neither mounted at boot |
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| 21:28.50 | Brox | dont tell me i have to make a new install |
| 21:28.50 | gnube | kingsley : Well mutt is really more like Pine, that is to say it runs in the terminal. Kmail needs KDE. |
| 21:28.55 | Brox | thats terrible |
| 21:28.55 | zOap | Maulkin, actually yes. So it is my PATH that isn't there? |
| 21:29.05 | Maulkin | zOap: correct |
| 21:29.11 | gnube | Maulkin: Gotcha! Thanks! |
| 21:29.14 | vincent` | Maulkin: have you ever built a custom installer w/ a new kernel version by chance ? |
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| 21:29.24 | stewie | i'm getting an error on boot up |
| 21:29.27 | cal_ | sifisdf: im sorry, i just don't kow |
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| 21:29.42 | sifisdf | cal_, ok, thx anyway |
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| 21:29.49 | mrnull | Whenever I go into a GUI it freezes in a few minutes. Any ideas? It's the same with KDE and Gnome |
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| 21:29.54 | zOap | Maulkin, how did I add the path again, I forgot, lol, my head, I need some screws:) |
| 21:30.01 | vincent` | mrnull: what window manager areyou running ? |
| 21:30.10 | Brox | did someone here have issues with rythembox? |
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| 21:30.15 | stewie | i'm getting an error on boot up, it gives me a DMA timeout error while checking partition but it boots up fine.. it just takes a long time and i have tried to disable dma but i'm not sure how or where and i don't know where to place disable_dma=true |
| 21:30.15 | mrnull | vincent': xfree86 |
| 21:30.24 | Cyber_Snipa | Hi all, IRC noob needs help here... I typed /msg dpkg etc etc but it didn't launch help or anything |
| 21:30.24 | Tomze | i just reinstalled etch and now i got problems with broken dependecies for mplayer, xine-ui and other packages ! Got "non free" and nerim.net in my sources.list but should i add another repos to get these packages ?... or start compileing maybe ?... is there an "incomming" repo for etch ? |
| 21:30.34 | gnube | zOap PATH=$PATH:/new/directory/in/path |
| 21:30.34 | vincent` | mrnull: that's your xserver, what window manager tho, gnome, kde, fluxbox, enlightenment ? |
| 21:30.42 | kingsley | gnube: I'm worried that kmail's developers spent time on its interface, rather than functionality, and than it may have less functionality than mutt, whose developers seem to have spent less time on it's interface. |
| 21:30.52 | Maulkin | zOap: PATH=/sbin:"${PATH}" |
| 21:30.53 | Brox | mine is getting confused because i have to emulate oss |
| 21:30.55 | mrnull | vincent': kde now. But gnome was doing the same. |
| 21:30.57 | zOap | gnube, thanks, you too Maulkin :) |
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| 21:31.28 | c4__ | doesn't xorg suport dual channel, or is my kernel, or is my IGP, or is what? glxgears gives me 80 more FPS, but opengl tuxkart doesn't work in real mode now. |
| 21:31.31 | vincent` | mrnull: look through /var/log/xfree86.log or whatever it's called |
| 21:31.37 | gnube | kingsley: I have used both, but I am by no means an expert. I think mutt does an amazing amount, and has left the interface simple. |
| 21:31.41 | cal_ | kingsley: if it starts with "k" and it has a GUI, thats generally the problem in my experience. :p |
| 21:31.46 | vincent` | lol |
| 21:31.56 | Cyber_Snipa | I keep getting these messages in my Sarge "storage" logs - Dec 13 03:07:15 storage syslog-ng[19828]: STATS: dropped 15 - |
| 21:32.06 | gnube | kingsley: both are good programs. But if you spend a lot of time in the terminal you will like mutt more. |
| 21:32.13 | Cyber_Snipa | yand my Net connection keerps dropping. Same thing ? |
| 21:32.24 | gnube | kingsley: if you are in the GUI a lot, kmail might be better. |
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| 21:32.46 | mrnull | vincent': the last line is: could not init font path: unix/:7100, and then SetClient Version: 0 9 |
| 21:32.47 | Tomze | can anyone help ?.. it did work last time i upgraded to etch (but stupid me had to mess around with the kernel..hehe) |
| 21:32.59 | Tomze | i just reinstalled etch and now i got problems with broken dependecies for mplayer, xine-ui and other packages ! Got "non free" and nerim.net in my sources.list but should i add another repos to get these packages ?... or start compileing maybe ?... is there an "incomming" repo for etch ? |
| 21:33.02 | gnube | kingsley : from my experience, kmail just works. but then so does mutt. |
| 21:33.05 | vincent` | mrnull: have you installed xfont-base and xfont-75dpi ? |
| 21:33.15 | mrnull | vincent': i've installed xfont-base |
| 21:33.23 | Maulkin | Tomze: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 21:33.23 | vincent` | hmmm |
| 21:33.23 | mrnull | vincent': i'll install other now ;) |
| 21:33.30 | gnube | Tomze what does /etc/apt/sources say? |
| 21:33.35 | vincent` | mrnull: perhaps dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 21:33.45 | Ranpha | <--- is going to bed....been busy with linux over 16 houres know...time to call it a day ...atleast the debian dvd's are almost ready.....see ya |
| 21:33.45 | kingsley | cal_: That has pretty much been my experience too, but, it seems to me that we can anticipate that linux will eventually have applications with GUIs that are also function. Toward that end, I'm evaluating the KDE in unstable now. |
| 21:33.46 | Intelsdog | cal_ if you are looking for a real gui try Banana jr. |
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| 21:33.54 | stewie | Dec 12 18:23:06 Jackel kernel: hda: dma timeout retry: status=0x58 { DriveReady |
| 21:34.02 | Cyber_Snipa | Anyone know what these syslog messages mean from my Sarge "storage" box - Dec 13 03:07:15 storage syslog-ng[19828]: STATS: dropped 15 |
| 21:34.05 | Thaiger | I just compiled and installed the absoulte value (linux-wlan) drivers and I can see them under the modules director but when I do a modprobe prism2_cs modprobe cAN'T FIND THEM |
| 21:34.06 | fishhead | yes people I choose to message linux and unix channels ON PURPOSE because they are full of people who can actually still make use of older hardware, this wasn't just a random spam |
| 21:34.13 | Thaiger | oops sorry about the caps |
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| 21:34.20 | Tomze | gnube, http://mepis.linuxkiosken.dk/temp/sources.list - should work... did until yesterday |
| 21:34.26 | anka_ | Hi, i'm triying install java sdk but i get this error: dpkg-architecture: failure: dpkg --print-architecture failed: Permission denied |
| 21:34.48 | Maulkin | anka_: how are you trying to install it? |
| 21:34.49 | Inkvisitor | is there any way linux can recover the usb on itself from its death by "usb bulk msg timeout" ? |
| 21:35.38 | Brox | my oss emulation has killed my alsa |
| 21:36.02 | mrnull | vincent': OK.. Turned off some settings, getting ready for reboot |
| 21:36.04 | anka_ | Maulkin, I've installed java-package and fakeroot then: fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin |
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| 21:36.09 | Brox | gstreamer-properties is a joke |
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| 21:36.53 | jshoenberger | How does one configure DNS? My server can't resolve names :( |
| 21:36.54 | Tomze | hmmm.. dpkg is not much help today.. i already did try what it says |
| 21:37.02 | Inkvisitor | or maybe it shouldn't happen. I really spammed my kernel when I had the same USB keyboard hacked up to two computers. both trying to "snag" it |
| 21:37.11 | cal_ | kingsley: some kde applications have excellent functionality- i recently used k3b, and found it very nice. I would have prefered it however, if it displayed properly on 1024x800 |
| 21:37.17 | gnube | so no one here really prefers postfix to exim? |
| 21:37.19 | Inkvisitor | so basicly the two computers battle eachother for the keyboard :) |
| 21:37.19 | jshoenberger | But curiously enough, I just realised it resolves irc.freenode.net... |
| 21:37.20 | vincent` | jshoeberger: what dns server ? |
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| 21:37.24 | vincent` | gnube: i always run postfix |
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| 21:37.35 | Maulkin | anka_: You may have to do that as root. |
| 21:37.43 | jshoenberger | vincent`, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade times out because it can't find the websites |
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| 21:37.58 | vincent` | jsoenberger: what does /etc/resolv.conf say ? |
| 21:37.59 | jshoenberger | wget http://www.blahblahblah.com also fails unless I type in the ip address |
| 21:38.02 | kingsley | cal_: I agree, and will add that I've been using konq outside of kde for years. |
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| 21:38.09 | jshoenberger | Good quesstion, I didn't know the file name, let me check |
| 21:38.15 | c4__ | why tuxkart doesn't work fast in dual channel? (shorter) |
| 21:38.18 | anka_ | root isn't allowed for that command |
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| 21:38.43 | jshoenberger | vincent`, that's the file I needed, I'll change the ip listed to 4.2.2.2 |
| 21:38.45 | Tomze | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.47 | jshoenberger | Thanks! |
| 21:38.54 | Brox | uhyeah |
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| 21:38.57 | vincent` | heh |
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| 21:39.00 | vincent` | is that even addressable ? |
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| 21:39.33 | Brox | im without any problems now :)))) |
| 21:39.36 | sifisdf | why is mkfs.vfat not working for me? man mkfs says: See also: mkfs.vfat(8) |
| 21:40.02 | vincent` | what does wrong sifis |
| 21:40.12 | Thaiger | I installed the linux-wlan drives for prism chipsets but my linksys WPC-11 PCMCIA card still doesn't work |
| 21:40.21 | gnube | Tomze: so you are pinning the mplayer in etch? |
| 21:40.58 | gnube | Tomze : I take that back, everything is testing. |
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| 21:41.25 | Tomze | gnube, not sure what you mean about pinning.. but i cant get mplayer or xine... but i could until yesterday - really strange :-/ |
| 21:41.41 | Tomze | it did work on my old install |
| 21:42.12 | Tomze | but of course this time i upgraded from sarge before getting these packages |
| 21:42.18 | gnube | Tomze : There is a practice called pinning where you specify a specific debian version for a specific package. GOogle knows about it. |
| 21:42.19 | jshoenberger | Huzzah, everything works. Thanks vincent` |
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| 21:42.36 | cal_ | is there any nice way to make a "save state" of the setup of my current debian stable, so i could try testing? |
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| 21:42.42 | gnube | Tomze : Aha, that might be your problem? |
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| 21:43.17 | Tomze | gnube, yeah.. so i should always install everything before going to etch ? |
| 21:43.48 | gnube | Tomze : I am not sure really. I do not think that is necessary. |
| 21:44.00 | Tomze | is pinning still the solution ? |
| 21:44.13 | Tomze | whatever that is..he |
| 21:44.20 | gnube | Tomze : I do know you can go back to sarge if you want to, and it will probably work again. |
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| 21:44.52 | Tomze | gnube, how would i downgrade ?... not sure i want to but how ? |
| 21:44.54 | beardy | cal_: A full dump of your drives/partitions. |
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| 21:45.00 | gnube | Tomze: pinning might be the answer, it is a way to get things from etch without updating your entire system. It avoids the dreaded dependency hell. |
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| 21:45.15 | caphuso | gnube: no, it doesn't |
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| 21:45.25 | c4__ | how many lines can i paste (4?)? |
| 21:45.28 | beardy | Tomze: You can't. (not easily) |
| 21:45.45 | beardy | !paster |
| 21:45.45 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 21:45.50 | Cyber_Snipa | Debian syslog-ng message is STATS: dropped 15 - what does it mean ? |
| 21:45.57 | beardy | !flood |
| 21:45.57 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:45.58 | Tomze | beardy, thought so :-( damn.. i was going for an easy reinstall |
| 21:46.09 | gnube | Tomze: Wim pointed out Apt-Pinning for Beginners which is a system where you can safely mix and match components from Debian stable/testing/unstable |
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| 21:46.26 | caphuso | it's not safe |
| 21:46.34 | beardy | And not recommended. |
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| 21:46.49 | gnube | caphuso, most certainly you can. |
| 21:46.59 | Tomze | ahh.. now pinning makes sense... but sounds like i might as well fight this dependecies hell |
| 21:47.06 | EdibleText | doent marillat have mplayer debs for testing? |
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| 21:47.27 | Tomze | EdibleText, yeah.. but i get broken dependecies |
| 21:47.32 | GhouI | what is the name for the java virtual machine package? i want to be able to see java applets on my web browser? |
| 21:47.36 | sphenxes | I am going to install a wireless router and Debian for the first time. What should I consider and what should I really know before taking these steps? |
| 21:47.39 | Thaiger | How do I get wireless working in debian? I've tried the prism54 drivers and the prism2_cs, but after I modprobe them nothing happens, iwconfig still doesn't find anything with a wireless extension |
| 21:47.44 | caphuso | gnube: yes, and end up with a fucked up system |
| 21:47.44 | GhouI | actually how can i check the available packages on my local mirror? |
| 21:47.47 | beardy | GhouI: /msg dpkg java |
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| 21:48.03 | gnube | caphuso: nonsense. |
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| 21:48.34 | Heimidal | I have Exim setup using MySQL for user config. I changed the location of the Maildir for a user, but mail is still being deposited in the old Maildir. I've restarted exim, so I'm not sure what's going on. Does anyone have any ideas? #exim is completely dead. |
| 21:48.42 | gnube | using pinning for one or two applications is usually not a problem. |
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| 21:48.57 | gnube | heimidal: |
| 21:49.04 | GhouI | i'd also like to know if there is a skype debian port but i don't know how to check those packages on my local mirror |
| 21:49.06 | EdibleText | hmm strange marillat has always been preety good. must be testing on the move |
| 21:49.22 | beardy | GhouI: skype is prorietary |
| 21:49.24 | gnube | Heimidal: You should send email to the debian-exim list, there are people who know their stuff there. |
| 21:49.33 | Heimidal | gnube: ok |
| 21:49.37 | caphuso | gnube: if you're very careful about what applications you use, and limit it to two versions of debian which didn't stray off too far |
| 21:49.57 | Heimidal | gnube: address? |
| 21:50.00 | Tomze | GhouI, there is a deb at skype.com (dont know if it works.. but its there) |
| 21:50.03 | GhouI | ah right... and debian doesn't deal with proprietary stuff :) |
| 21:50.07 | gnube | caphuso: yes exactly, if you have halph your system etch and halp woody, you will cry. |
| 21:50.14 | beardy | GhouI: No. |
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| 21:51.56 | Cyber_Snipa | syslog-ng message is "STATS: dropped 15" what's it mean ? |
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| 21:52.21 | gnube | Heimidal: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-exim4-users |
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| 21:52.47 | Heimidal | thanks :) |
| 21:53.00 | Tomze | thanks guys |
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| 21:54.07 | gnube | my pleasure |
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| 21:55.10 | mrnull | Crap. These reboots are killing my filesystem. xfonts is installed and I've run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig with several options, and I still get freeze-ups |
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| 21:55.44 | ma3x | hello |
| 21:55.46 | ma3x | I need some help here |
| 21:55.48 | ma3x | I have a serious problem |
| 21:55.50 | Ronin | reboot? whats a reboot? |
| 21:56.03 | ma3x | after upgrading something (modules or kernel image) I got the following error: |
| 21:56.12 | beardy | ma3x: Just ask, and /msg dpkg enter |
| 21:56.12 | mrnull | Ronin: KDE keeps freezing up. I have to cold reboot |
| 21:56.25 | Ronin | mrnull: dont run kde ;) |
| 21:56.28 | bucky | GhouI, there's a deb package here but who knows for what version of debian http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ |
| 21:56.31 | ma3x | here /bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/dev: No such file or directory |
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| 21:56.33 | mrnull | Ronin: same thing with gnome |
| 21:56.35 | ma3x | and then it won't boot! |
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| 21:56.41 | ma3x | what the hell happened? |
| 21:56.44 | ma3x | suddenly my debian doesn't boot |
| 21:56.50 | ma3x | and I get # prompt |
| 21:56.52 | Ronin | ma3x: type more hit enter less |
| 21:56.57 | Thaiger | Can anyone point me in the direction of a howto for getting my wireless working? |
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| 21:57.11 | ma3x | Ronin can you please advise me about this problem? |
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| 21:57.20 | leafwiz | With the Net-install-cd, is it possible too install sshd, as an package? without needing to do it with apt-get.. |
| 21:57.27 | Cyber_Snipa | What type of card Thaiger ? |
| 21:57.28 | streuner | Thaiger: #wireless /topic |
| 21:57.35 | leafwiz | (while installing) |
| 21:58.02 | gnube | leafwix: what do you mean exactly? Do you want to install the sshd server over the net? |
| 21:58.04 | ma3x | please help somebody |
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| 21:58.22 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 21:58.23 | streuner | ma3x: what did you change? |
| 21:58.29 | Thaiger | Cyber_Snipa: Linksys WPC11 Prism II I belive, tried the prism54 drivers and the prism2_cs, did a modprobe of each of those but I don't reall know what to do next |
| 21:58.31 | GhouI | bucky, thnx |
| 21:58.51 | leafwiz | gnube: Noh. I just want it enabled after a fresh install. (sshd) |
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| 21:59.14 | leafwiz | gnube: I have a silly problem... |
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| 22:00.10 | ma3x | streuner: man, I upgraded the kernel-image and it warned me that it will have to detect all the modules again or something like that... and at the end of the warning: "I don't stress, but you need to reboot soon!" |
| 22:00.14 | gnube | leafwiz: one thing you can do is an apt-cache search to find the name of the sshd server, it is openssl-sshd server or something |
| 22:00.16 | ma3x | This is a strange message |
| 22:00.40 | mrnull | if i'm getting a parse error in dpkg, how can i fix this? |
| 22:00.41 | gnube | leafwiz: like this: |
| 22:00.48 | gnube | apt-cache search sshd |
| 22:00.59 | leafwiz | My quiz is just, is the sshd a part of the baseinstaller packages. (together with apache, and the lot) |
| 22:01.05 | beardy | gnube: It's ssh. |
| 22:01.09 | bucky | Thaiger, ver 4 have a Realtek 8180 CHIPSET |
| 22:01.11 | gnube | mrnull: pleas post the error message. |
| 22:01.19 | leafwiz | My silly problem is that I am running VMware with a bug. the " - " key will not work.. :P |
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| 22:01.26 | Cyber_Snipa | Thaiger - do a lscpi -v to work our your chipset |
| 22:01.37 | streuner | ma3x: well, do you another kernel installed? |
| 22:01.38 | beardy | leafwiz: TAB completion.. |
| 22:01.39 | gnube | beardy: I think not. |
| 22:01.50 | streuner | ma3x: have* |
| 22:01.51 | Thaiger | bucky: What do ya know, version 4 |
| 22:02.01 | Thaiger | Cyber_Snipa: Only the cardbus, not the card show up in lspci |
| 22:02.10 | faif | I recently changed my serial mouse (due to mulfunction) to a PS/2... I inserted the new settings to the XF86Config file, but GDM crassed... |
| 22:02.10 | ma3x | streuner I dont have another kernel installed |
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| 22:02.12 | mrnull | dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package 'localiziation-config' |
| 22:02.14 | beardy | gnube: I know. |
| 22:02.26 | faif | Any ideas? |
| 22:02.28 | streuner | ma3x: ok, take a knoppix-CD and chroot it |
| 22:02.32 | leafwiz | beardy: Nope, there are so may apt's |
| 22:03.00 | Thaiger | faif:Did you change it to /dev/psaux? |
| 22:03.06 | faif | yeah |
| 22:03.06 | streuner | ma3x: after you are in chroot, just make the changes and install a working kernel |
| 22:03.10 | beardy | leafwiz: Install gpm and copy the - |
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| 22:03.24 | inviso_ | I'm about to fire an apt-get dist-upgrade (to upgrade some "kept back" packages) and I noticed it's removing mysql-common-4.1. In the new packages section, I see mysql-common without a version number. How can I get at the version number of the packages that will be upgraded? |
| 22:03.27 | gnube | leafwiz: did you try to escape it? with \ |
| 22:03.43 | rafx | is packages.debian.org down? timing out on me |
| 22:03.56 | ma3x | streuner I dont have a knoppix cd now |
| 22:04.06 | gnube | inviso_ wait, are you doing a dist-upgrade or an upgrad? |
| 22:04.07 | gnube | inviso_ wait, are you doing a dist-upgrade or an upgrade |
| 22:04.08 | streuner | ma3x: well, download one? |
| 22:04.36 | inviso_ | gnube: a dist-upgrade |
| 22:04.40 | ma3x | streuner what if I chroot to it, how would I know what changes to make? |
| 22:04.55 | ma3x | streuner I just ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and that shit happened |
| 22:05.13 | beardy | gnube: Now, what are you on about? The package name is ssh. |
| 22:05.14 | streuner | ma3x: install a (working) kernel and fix bootloader |
| 22:05.28 | ma3x | streuner how would I know what exactly to do? and btw, even if I download and boot from knoppix, I won't have access to the internet |
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| 22:05.34 | streuner | ma3x: this wouldn't install another kernel... |
| 22:05.43 | ma3x | streuner: nothing's wrong with the boot loader |
| 22:05.54 | ma3x | streuner : how do I install new kernel without internet access? |
| 22:06.00 | gnube | beardy: If you want to install the ssh deamon as a server you will have to install the package openssh-server. |
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| 22:06.17 | beardy | gnube: ? |
| 22:06.18 | gnube | beardy: look at apt-cache serach sshd |
| 22:06.32 | Cyber_Snipa | How can I stop and start all my logs ? Debian Sarge |
| 22:06.38 | streuner | ma3x: you have i-net access right now... |
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| 22:06.49 | gnube | Cyber_Snipa: look at logrotate |
| 22:07.00 | Cyber_Snipa | thx |
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| 22:07.37 | vincent` | oy, if i want to build a debian installer that boots a different kernel, i need to remake the initrd of the installer correct ? |
| 22:07.38 | ma3x | streuner I do, with ndiswrapper and windows drivers for my WLAN |
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| 22:07.43 | streuner | ma3x: if you haven't a knoppix-CD, what's with a rescue floppy? |
| 22:07.53 | streuner | ma3x: good :-) |
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| 22:08.05 | leafwiz | gnube: is the package openssh-server a part of the base install? |
| 22:08.08 | EdibleText | leafwiz, echo foo$'\x2d'bar |
| 22:08.24 | Maulkin | inviso_: apt-cache policy should help you |
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| 22:08.40 | leafwiz | yeah.. it's pretty fobar.. give u that.. |
| 22:08.45 | inviso_ | Maulkin: excellent, I'll take a look |
| 22:08.57 | ma3x | streuner damn man, you disappoint me. tell me some good solution? |
| 22:09.12 | streuner | ma3x: i told you already |
| 22:09.24 | faif | how can i decrease the beeper's volume? |
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| 22:09.30 | EdibleText | leafwiz, echo $'\x2d' prints a '-' |
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| 22:09.42 | leafwiz | oh.. nice |
| 22:09.54 | EdibleText | leafwiz, echo foo$'\x2d'bar prints foo-bar |
| 22:09.58 | beardy | gnube: That's in testing and unstable. Don't give testing/unstable help to people running sarge. |
| 22:10.18 | leafwiz | hehe.. My mistake then, thx for the tip |
| 22:10.24 | streuner | ma3x: what bootloader do you use? |
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| 22:10.47 | EdibleText | leafwiz, heh |
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| 22:11.15 | gnube | leafwix: no, openssh-server is usually not part of the base install. |
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| 22:11.38 | leafwiz | So, I _have_ to install it through apt-get? |
| 22:11.41 | EdibleText | leafwiz, man ascii |
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| 22:12.15 | Thaiger | bucky: Do you know where I would get those realtek drivers? There is a sourceforge project but their code doesn't even compile |
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| 22:12.41 | learnfromscratch | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.47 | bucky | Thaiger, do you have kernel sources to compile against? |
| 22:13.13 | Maulkin | learnfromscratch: What do you mean by "music like music"? |
| 22:13.43 | Thaiger | bucky: yes |
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| 22:14.21 | Thaiger | bucky: it thought my source tree was /lib/modules/kernelversion/build so I fixed the makefile and still no compile |
| 22:14.43 | bucky | Thaiger, here's some instructions for the debian way.. your milage may vary |
| 22:14.43 | bucky | http://ace-host.stuart.id.au/russell/files/debian/sarge/rtl8180/ |
| 22:15.03 | ma3x | streuner: grub |
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| 22:15.22 | ma3x | streuner: that's not the problem. GRUB starts loading it, but then it comes to that error what I've written above |
| 22:15.49 | streuner | ma3x: ok, install another kernel |
| 22:16.10 | loxley_ | learnfromscratch: have you configured the right audio driver for mplayer to use? |
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| 22:16.44 | streuner | ma3x: 1) have always a rescue system handy (knoppix-CD, resuce floppy which works) |
| 22:16.58 | Thaiger | bucky: Hmm.. looks interesting, not at all like the built-in documentation, I'll try it, Thanks |
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| 22:17.38 | stewie | what's the kernel line i need to add to disable DMA for HDA / IDE in the grub menu.lst ? |
| 22:18.06 | streuner | ma3x: 2) don't make changes you don't unterstand on the system |
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| 22:19.43 | Intelsdog | does anyone have an thoughts on configuring a Cyber Guard SG-560 router/firewall appliance so it can support QoS throttling on multi fail-over WAN ports?. It's "user friendly" web based setup pages do not support QoS throttling on multi fail-over wan ports. It just assumes a single connection to the outside world. |
| 22:20.05 | streuner | stewie: sounds like some 'kerneloptions' - there should be a little text file in the kernel-source |
| 22:21.12 | streuner | stewie: btw, via hdparm it should work too |
| 22:21.29 | streuner | if its a IDE drive |
| 22:22.02 | stewie | it's IDE ATAPI |
| 22:22.12 | stewie | and hdparm does not work for it |
| 22:22.23 | stewie | it will still give me dma timeout errors when i type dmesg |
| 22:22.25 | stewie | or when i boot |
| 22:22.33 | ma3x | streuner : even if i boot from knoppix, how do i install the new kernel? knoppix doesnt have apt-get |
| 22:22.59 | streuner | ma3x: well, over dpkg -i package |
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| 22:23.38 | streuner | ma3x: ones you are in chroot - you are using your orginal system, execpt the kernel |
| 22:24.53 | streuner | ma3x: 'orginal system' = you can use every apps or/and commands |
| 22:25.05 | Thaiger | bucky: I don't suppose you have any firsthand experience with the realktek stuff, oddly the sourceforge project and the offical driver from realtek both fail with the same error |
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| 22:25.18 | streuner | ma3x: but not i-net (in your case) |
| 22:25.21 | ma3x | streuner: and how do I know what package exactly to install? |
| 22:25.32 | bucky | Thaiger, what's the error? |
| 22:25.39 | ma3x | streuner : so how do I get access to inet? |
| 22:25.42 | streuner | ma3x: depends on the CPU you have |
| 22:26.03 | streuner | ma3x: no idea if knoppix supports that |
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| 22:26.47 | Thaiger | bucky: r8180_pci_init.c:146 error: 'struct_pci_dev' has no member named 'slot_name' |
| 22:27.05 | streuner | ma3x: a rescue floppy would be the easiest solution, because you would have i-net access then |
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| 22:27.29 | ma3x | streuner how ? that won't boot debian, or? |
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| 22:27.45 | M_Cheevy | heya ppls |
| 22:28.06 | streuner | ma3x: sure, but you make such rescue floppies out of your working system (kernel)... |
| 22:28.53 | M_Cheevy | anyone with any experience using Xinerama & Dualview on an nvidia card with two different sized monitors? I'm trying to setup the offset to get them to line up..... |
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| 22:30.19 | M_Cheevy | narf = nuclear attack readiness formation? |
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| 22:31.37 | lucox | hello friends .. udev cannot be loaded, but i dont know why |
| 22:31.48 | gravity | lucox: What do you mean? |
| 22:31.55 | gravity | lucox: Is there a specific error? |
| 22:32.24 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.46 | M_Cheevy | bbias |
| 22:32.49 | lucox | no only that i need kernel 2.6.12 - i have 2.6.13 - and udev was running long time ... but after upgrade not more |
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| 22:33.13 | nagana | use 2.6.14 |
| 22:33.14 | nagana | :] |
| 22:33.22 | gravity | lucox: Are you sure that it's installed? Also, what version of Debian are you running? |
| 22:33.27 | streuner | ma3x: i told you, feel free to ask for other suggestions |
| 22:33.32 | lucox | debian unstable |
| 22:33.42 | lucox | yes i'm sure that it's insalled |
| 22:33.44 | gravity | lucox: Did you purge hotplug? |
| 22:34.04 | ma3x | streuner: please give me other suggestion |
| 22:34.20 | lucox | maybe after upgrade again installed |
| 22:34.26 | streuner | ma3x: i don't know any other... |
| 22:34.28 | lucox | ok i'll check it |
| 22:34.35 | lucox | and any other advices ? |
| 22:34.40 | gravity | lucox: Yeah. The new udev requires hotplug to be purged. |
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| 22:34.58 | gravity | lucox: No other advice off the top of my head... but if you still have problems we can try to come up with something else. I'm no udev expert though. |
| 22:36.02 | streuner | oh |
| 22:36.07 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 22:36.07 | dpkg | it has been said that unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 22:36.30 | streuner | ma3x: read (2) + (7) |
| 22:37.17 | bucky | Thaiger, which kernel are you using? |
| 22:37.18 | streuner | ma3x: just get a knoppix-CD, download a kernel of pdo, chroot that bitch and install the kernel |
| 22:37.43 | ma3x | streuner whats pdo? |
| 22:37.51 | streuner | !tell ma3x about pdo |
| 22:37.55 | kingsley | Does vimpart work with kmail? |
| 22:38.58 | Thaiger | bucky: 2.6.12 |
| 22:39.04 | bucky | Thaiger, and what does gcc --version say? |
| 22:39.27 | Thaiger | bucky: 4.0.3 (prerelease) |
| 22:39.36 | ma3x | streuner ok, I will do what you tell me to do. Are you here in 1 hour....... if I'm having some continuous problems , to help me ....... :) ? |
| 22:40.13 | streuner | ma3x: prolly not, just ask here, almost everybody here is familar with that subject here ... ;-) |
| 22:40.22 | bucky | Thaiger, which version of debian are you using? |
| 22:40.30 | Thaiger | bucky: testing |
| 22:40.48 | ma3x | streuner ok dude, take care! thanks a lot! |
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| 22:42.15 | lucox | gravity: i'm in 'recovery' mode now ... no, i have no hotplug installed |
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| 22:42.47 | gravity | lucox: "recovery" mode? Could that be why you don't have udev? |
| 22:42.47 | M_Cheevy | howdy ppl |
| 22:43.10 | lucox | gravity: no no no, i don't have udev always ... |
| 22:43.23 | lucox | udev is installed but ... |
| 22:44.12 | bucky | Thaiger, if you are using Linux 2.6.12 or above, you will need to download and compile the sources from CVS |
| 22:44.13 | bucky | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14847794 |
| 22:44.20 | M_Cheevy | quicky question on udev.. currently it's not installed because I use dmraid to create the device-mapper nodes for my raid0 arrays during initrd, when udev loads it wipes out those nodes. Is there a way to tell it to preserve those nodes and reproduce them when it recreates the /dev/ tree? |
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| 22:44.50 | bucky | Thaiger, http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=114161 |
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| 22:45.14 | lucox | any other advices ? |
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| 22:45.32 | Thaiger | bucky: Thanks |
| 22:45.49 | pjz | can someone point me at the justificiation for every user to have their own group? |
| 22:45.49 | gravity | lucox: What happens when you run /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
| 22:45.53 | bucky | Thaiger, that's the best i can figure out... it can be done |
| 22:46.01 | gravity | lucox: I don't know what recovery mode is, so it may not work for you like that |
| 22:46.13 | bucky | xevious, he said advices |
| 22:46.22 | M_Cheevy | pjz: first I've heard of that... groups are specifically to make collections of users |
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| 22:46.40 | pjz | M_Cheevy: mmm, debian 'adduser' does it by default |
| 22:47.03 | bucky | M_Cheevy, did you get your bootsplash working? |
| 22:47.18 | M_Cheevy | pjz: perhaps thats to prevent accidently adding a user to the wrong group |
| 22:47.23 | M_Cheevy | bucky: yeap sure did! |
| 22:47.27 | bucky | cool |
| 22:47.58 | M_Cheevy | bucky: everything is working on the sata raid0 boot but lining up the x displays (xinerama/dualview on different sized monitors) and udev |
| 22:48.13 | quiet | pjz, a lot of distros default to adding new users to a group of the same name..I'm not sure as to the reason/justification of it.. I'd guess it's probably something similar to M_Cheevy's suggestion of preventing accidental addition to the wrong groups. |
| 22:48.15 | M_Cheevy | bucky: you are familiar with the bootsplash package for linux? |
| 22:48.21 | bucky | M_Cheevy, i know it was a big project |
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| 22:48.28 | telenieko | Hi ppl. How can I achieve that?: If a message comes to sub.mydomain. from mydomain. rewrite From: to a unique value |
| 22:48.28 | telenieko | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.31 | telenieko | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.33 | telenieko | ups |
| 22:48.40 | bucky | M_Cheevy, i was just looking at the new bootsplash in user space |
| 22:48.42 | telenieko | should have been single line :) sorry! |
| 22:48.44 | lucox | gravity: i'll try it ... but i have read now from syslog-ng log that i'm missing /etc/dev.d and /etc/hotplug.d - but don't know wjhy |
| 22:49.09 | M_Cheevy | bucky: it's pretty damn cool, still looking for a thumbnail gallery of decent bootsplash images, also looking for grubsplash images too, hardly a priority though |
| 22:49.34 | bucky | M_Cheevy, you did see bootsplash.org didn't you? |
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| 22:49.57 | M_Cheevy | bucky: yeap.. no thumbnails, you have to view it in fullsize... takes a little while to load on 256kb/s |
| 22:50.04 | bucky | right |
| 22:50.22 | gravity | lucox: One second... |
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| 22:50.47 | M_Cheevy | bucky: still got the nagging problem with udev wiping out the device-mapper nodes created by dmraid in initrd though |
| 22:50.48 | roler | what is the best linux/debian network scanner for X? |
| 22:51.04 | bucky | M_Cheevy, no clue on that one |
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| 22:51.21 | M_Cheevy | bucky: no one seems to ;) |
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| 22:51.29 | Skefe | Hi! |
| 22:51.37 | Skefe | I need for a help! |
| 22:51.42 | M_Cheevy | heya skefe |
| 22:51.42 | lucox | gravity: udev requires kernel >= 2.6.12, not started ... or something that way ... but i have 2.6.13 and yesterday no problem |
| 22:51.57 | Skefe | When I use apt to install software... |
| 22:52.02 | gravity | lucox: What changed between to day and yesterday? |
| 22:52.04 | M_Cheevy | lucox: I could swear I've had udev working under 2.6.8 |
| 22:52.05 | gravity | today even |
| 22:52.16 | gravity | M_Cheevy: The requirements changed |
| 22:52.27 | Skefe | it says that it can't authentify the packets! |
| 22:52.28 | zOap | PATH=/home/admin/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:"${PATH}" export PATH |
| 22:52.28 | zOap | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.41 | bucky | M_Cheevy, this guy modified linuxrc to copy the device-mapper nodes from the initrd filesystem |
| 22:52.42 | bucky | https://listman.redhat.com/archives/ataraid-list/2005-April/msg00004.html |
| 22:52.43 | M_Cheevy | gravity: hmmm, that might be my problem then... |
| 22:52.52 | Skefe | What does it mean? |
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| 22:53.04 | M_Cheevy | bucky: yeap, I used that one.... and then udev launches in real_root and nukes em again |
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| 22:53.16 | bucky | M_Cheevy, egads |
| 22:53.45 | Skefe | May someone help me, please? |
| 22:53.45 | M_Cheevy | bucky: no shit! and when that happens no swap partition, no winblows partitions.. in short, crippled |
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| 22:54.12 | rue_mohr | how do I get the status of a package? |
| 22:54.17 | rue_mohr | er go installed or not? |
| 22:54.18 | bucky | M_Cheevy, you have real_root=/dev/mapper/${your_root_partition} in the kernel line in grub.conf? |
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| 22:54.28 | M_Cheevy | bucky: yeap |
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| 22:54.34 | bucky | hmm... |
| 22:54.46 | rue_mohr | apt-cache dosn't seem to... |
| 22:54.46 | M_Cheevy | bucky: as long as I don't install udev everything works like a charm |
| 22:54.46 | loxley_ | rue_mohr: dpkg -l <package> | tail -1 |
| 22:55.07 | M_Cheevy | bucky: luckily the only things that appear to need it are in gnome so I'm using KDE |
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| 22:55.09 | rue_mohr | thanks |
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| 23:00.35 | lucox | gravity: i know now what's the problem |
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| 23:00.59 | gravity | lucox: What is it? |
| 23:01.01 | Thaiger | I'm trying to pull some code from a sourceforge project using cvs, I copy pasted exactly what they said to do, but after I enter the password (anonymous) I get cvs [login aborted] end of file from server |
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| 23:01.18 | dondelelcaro | Thaiger: the password is (most likely) blank. |
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| 23:02.07 | M_Cheevy | btw, dondelelcaro, want to thank you for your help with udev.. did a rebuild, kept it out completely and now have a stable booting sata raid0 machine |
| 23:02.17 | lucox | gravity: new grub was installed with default config ! :( vrrr without asking, and loaded 2.4.27 kernel ... |
| 23:02.24 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: cool. |
| 23:02.27 | gravity | Ah, ouch |
| 23:02.30 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: no problem; glad that it's working. |
| 23:02.37 | Thaiger | dondelelcaro: oops I'm embarassed, I can't read today =( sorry |
| 23:02.57 | teckbrain | Question: How can I get an ATI driver functioning in Debian? (or any graphic driver i suppose) Do I have to alter scripts/files? |
| 23:03.01 | M_Cheevy | dondelelcaro: again, much obliged.. guess I should write a debian sarge fakeraid howto |
| 23:03.02 | lucox | gravity: by upgrade i didn't see any questions about rewriting the grub config! :( vrr |
| 23:03.37 | Thaiger | teckbrain: Which ati? |
| 23:03.41 | lucox | gravity: i don't know, if i haven't change a policy of these questions - but i think not |
| 23:03.43 | gravity | teckbrain: For the one that comes with Xorg or XFree86 there shouldn't be any big issue |
| 23:03.54 | M_Cheevy | lucox: is that like a "Reading for Dummies" book? |
| 23:03.56 | gravity | lucox: It might just be a bug. I don't use grub myself though, so I don't know |
| 23:04.31 | lucox | yes it seems to be a bug |
| 23:04.46 | teckbrain | Thaiger: The one directly from ATI's website for "radeon 8500 series and higher". |
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| 23:05.09 | c_k | hi guys, how do you set a port to run in full duplex again in Debian? |
| 23:05.10 | Thaiger | teckbrain: Ah, you have the same card I do |
| 23:05.15 | lucox | uff, and after this upgrade i have 'king kong' fonts in kde :( |
| 23:05.19 | vincent` | c_k: ifconfig |
| 23:05.35 | teckbrain | Thaiger: Hey, I have to leave for a sec. |
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| 23:05.41 | c_k | yeah whats the command to do it though within ifconfig |
| 23:06.00 | vincent` | read 'man ifconfig' |
| 23:06.08 | vincent` | use / to search |
| 23:06.11 | Thaiger | teckbrain: IIRC, there are two types of drivers ATI's proprietary one and a free one, the free one didn't work for me, but ATI should have a .bin file or something that you'll want to do a chmod +x foo on and then ./foo |
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| 23:09.01 | p1nhead | i have a question |
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| 23:09.20 | M_Cheevy | p1nhead: you and everyone else in here... ask away |
| 23:09.23 | Stereo | p1nhead: http://www.daveamason.com/april/mp3/DiscoAccordion%2Emp3 is the answer |
| 23:09.36 | threat | hmm I need an accounting howto |
| 23:09.39 | p1nhead | when i try to apt-get postgres it wants to install kde for some reason =\ |
| 23:09.48 | threat | and an accounting program for debian :) |
| 23:09.51 | Stereo | threat: as in accounting with moeny? |
| 23:09.52 | Stereo | ah |
| 23:09.52 | threat | any ideas? |
| 23:09.56 | threat | Stereo, yes monies |
| 23:09.59 | Stereo | gnucash might do it for you |
| 23:10.00 | p1nhead | seems kind of arbitrary maybe it's just me |
| 23:10.07 | threat | Stereo, thats gtk2? |
| 23:10.14 | Stereo | no idea |
| 23:10.21 | leroy | hi all...question...I have a slaved hd that I can only mount and write to as root. I've tried changing my /etc/fstab to give myself the force and power to do it without being root. Here is what I have in /etc/fstab.... /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win2 vfat noauto,wa4chq,defaults 0 0 --I've tried various settings...user, auto , rw help!! |
| 23:10.24 | threat | ok I shall try that |
| 23:10.25 | threat | thanx |
| 23:10.45 | caphuso | leroy: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 23:11.08 | M_Cheevy | leroy: one sec... I think I have the setting for ya... it is one of the options... something like umask=000 |
| 23:11.30 | threat | bah! it wants to install gnome |
| 23:11.41 | threat | even though I have gnome installed already :\ |
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| 23:11.44 | M_Cheevy | leroy: yeap, it is umask |
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| 23:12.11 | M_Cheevy | leroy: check this: http://www.flexbeta.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t6804.html |
| 23:12.21 | Stereo | threat: http://www.austintek.com/gnucash/ncsa-gnucash-talk-1.html is a howto |
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| 23:12.38 | leroy | m_cheevy...ok will check it out ...tnx |
| 23:12.43 | c_k | have to say nothing in the man ifconfig about setting the duplex at all |
| 23:12.47 | nuskool | I downloaded and built the ieee80211 module (which is supposed to support ipw2100) but when I modprobe it my second network connection (the ipw2100) doesn't come up on ifconfig, any idea why this so? |
| 23:12.50 | bleaked | could someone recommend a good image viewer/organizer? |
| 23:12.56 | beoba | bleaked: pornview |
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| 23:13.02 | threat | Stereo, thanx, but the debian version wants to install gnome 1 or something |
| 23:13.08 | dondelelcaro | bleaked: feh is also really good. |
| 23:13.11 | M_Cheevy | leroy: no worries. I know umask does the trick because I use it to make my ntfs partitions available to all users |
| 23:13.15 | beoba | no idea if the software is good but the name is great |
| 23:13.30 | beoba | but it's "pornview"! |
| 23:13.35 | M_Cheevy | !ask pornview |
| 23:13.36 | dondelelcaro | feh. |
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| 23:13.57 | M_Cheevy | oh well.... not in dpkg I guess |
| 23:14.16 | Stereo | threat: yeah, think I read something about that |
| 23:14.23 | Stereo | threat: http://gnucash.org/docs/v1.8/C/gnucash-guide/ isn't gnucash-specific |
| 23:14.36 | threat | oh |
| 23:14.37 | threat | nice |
| 23:14.46 | threat | hmmm I would also like to know how to mail merge in openoffice |
| 23:14.48 | grendal_prime | is anyone using a gui tolkit with python by anychance? |
| 23:14.53 | threat | I am having alot of problems with it |
| 23:14.55 | grendal_prime | soemthing that works relativly well? |
| 23:15.12 | threat | Stereo, any ideas? |
| 23:15.20 | threat | Stereo, do you know much about openoffice? |
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| 23:16.00 | bucky | grendal_prime, you mean like python and QT http://vizzzion.org/?id=pyqt |
| 23:16.03 | landslide | how do i get the file attributes as octal from a file? there is a command to do it but I forgot. |
| 23:16.20 | Stereo | threat: no, sorry |
| 23:16.29 | caphuso | landslide: man stat |
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| 23:16.33 | threat | ok |
| 23:16.36 | threat | thanx anyway :) |
| 23:16.38 | landslide | thanks |
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| 23:18.49 | nuskool | I downloaded and built the ieee80211 module (which is supposed to support ipw2100) but when I modprobe it my second network connection (the ipw2100) doesn't come up on ifconfig, any idea why this so? |
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| 23:19.14 | M_Cheevy | nuskool: maybe you need to add it to /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 23:19.46 | nuskool | M_Cheevy: ohh der.. thanks |
| 23:20.05 | M_Cheevy | de nada |
| 23:22.07 | saloxin | nuskool: modprobe ipw2100 should give output in dmesg |
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| 23:23.13 | nuskool | saloxin: ipw2100 isn't found |
| 23:23.25 | nuskool | saloxin: I think ieee80211 is a catch all |
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| 23:23.51 | M_Cheevy | oh well, efnet #debian is asleep |
| 23:23.52 | derjohn | threat, servera? atre out, but gnucash is a good choice. but kmymoney is alos there |
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| 23:25.06 | threat | derjohn, ? |
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| 23:25.30 | grendal_prime | bucky thats exactly what i was looking for |
| 23:25.43 | grendal_prime | why is it so damn hard to find it? |
| 23:25.51 | grendal_prime | googles gone to total shit |
| 23:25.53 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 23:26.38 | derjohn | threat, weren't you asking for accounting thingy? |
| 23:27.11 | Stereo | derjohn: yeah he was |
| 23:27.11 | M_Cheevy | he was derjohn, but the typos in your statement threw him I think |
| 23:27.24 | threat | derjohn, yes, and then I was asking about openoffice |
| 23:27.36 | threat | yes the typos made me say WTF |
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| 23:27.53 | M_Cheevy | <-- used to be a proofreader for a publishing house |
| 23:28.00 | derjohn | lo, yes, my eclipse locks my kde at the time. backspace is pain. sry :) |
| 23:28.08 | fusch | hi i just upgraded cpufreqd to version 2. now i get an error "couldn't set profile" any ideas? |
| 23:28.17 | M_Cheevy | derjohn: ^H = backspace when in trouble |
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| 23:29.18 | Thaiger | bucky: Thanks for all the help! I really appreciate it, I finally got the modules all compiled, I don't suppose you know what to do next do you? |
| 23:29.23 | M_Cheevy | surprising when you remember from setting up terminal emulations... (back in my modem/bbs days) |
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| 23:29.42 | bucky | Thaiger, it's in those other howtos i gave you the link for |
| 23:29.47 | M_Cheevy | thaiger: find a good readme/howto? |
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| 23:30.11 | Thaiger | bucky: I'll look again, but it didn't work |
| 23:30.14 | derjohn | i meant: kmymoney may fit. when it comes to electronic banking there is hibiscus (a java app) which may be cool too. an aqmoney of course. |
| 23:30.25 | bucky | grendal_prime, i just happened to see that in the Mad Penguin rss feed on http://www.linuxhomepage.com/ |
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| 23:30.43 | Thaiger | I used iwpriv, but it doesn't find a wlan0 |
| 23:31.21 | derjohn | M_Cheevy, I know ^H but eclipse was taking about 100% of all resoucres, kicker was even blocked. I used the spare time to write sth. each char several seconds. sry again for confusing. |
| 23:31.32 | threat | derjohn, ok nice, hmmm can I use it to create reports and perhaps invoices? |
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| 23:31.52 | derjohn | threat, which company size? |
| 23:31.52 | M_Cheevy | derjohn: no worries... |
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| 23:32.04 | threat | derjohn, I have been trying to create a MySQL database with Openoffice to do this however Openoffice's mail merge is not working correctly when I join tables. |
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| 23:32.53 | dabreegster | Hey. I'm helping somebody to perform a science experiment regarding subliminal messages. I've already figured out how to combine bits and pieces of MPEG clips, but what's the easiest way to convert a JPEG (or any other sensible image format) to a video that I can make into an MPEG? |
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| 23:32.55 | derjohn | threat, check sout sf.net for "ERP" . Mayve opencrx fits ... if you want to go for a webapp take lxoffice (german) or sql(l)edger |
| 23:32.57 | M_Cheevy | threat: thought I saw a package that provided odbc connectivity for openoffice/mysql |
| 23:33.09 | dabreegster | The created frames, of course, will be really short, less than a second. |
| 23:33.13 | threat | I have purchases that is a multikey and invoice number which is a primary key, when I join the tables openoffice's mail merge put each purchase on a new page instead of all purchases for that invoice number. |
| 23:34.06 | threat | M_Cheevy, yes I know about ODBC :) connecting to the MySQL database and adding in data was the easy part :) |
| 23:34.06 | M_Cheevy | dabreegster: using Adobe Premiere (in XP unfortunately) I know you can import jpgs to what will become a mpg/avi file |
| 23:34.06 | M_Cheevy | threat: it was a shot in the dark |
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| 23:34.07 | threat | M_Cheevy, its trying to get the mail merging done correctly thats the mofo |
| 23:34.12 | threat | hehe |
| 23:34.33 | M_Cheevy | threat: and like the movie by the same name... it was a cleuseau job |
| 23:34.33 | dabreegster | M_Cheevy: I've heard of it. But I don't quite have access to that OS or program, and even if I did, I'd prefer a solution I'd actually want to try. |
| 23:35.05 | M_Cheevy | dabreegster: if Premiere can do it, another application should be able to as well, trick is to find where it's hidden in the menus |
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| 23:35.31 | bucky | threat, have you asked in #openoffice.org ? |
| 23:35.33 | derjohn | threat, you aren't looking for a "general ledger" but a invoicing tool? |
| 23:35.38 | threat | bucky, yes |
| 23:35.42 | dabreegster | M_Cheevy: I was hoping for another command line tool like mpgtx, but any will do. I've tried, but can't get mplayer to read in jpeg's and output as YUV |
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| 23:36.08 | threat | derjohn, I want a ledger too :) and I want to generate invoices and reports from the leger too |
| 23:36.20 | M_Cheevy | dabreegster: I do know there are some X based video editors out there |
| 23:36.37 | M_Cheevy | dabreegster: haven't played with them yet but..... |
| 23:36.42 | dabreegster | M_Cheevy: I know of them. But this seems to be a slightly unique task, converting JPEGs to a video format |
| 23:36.45 | derjohn | there is an OOo tool in development ... shipped with this "opensource openoffice cd" (templates and stuff) .. but the solution is little $$$ based. |
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| 23:36.57 | sky0 | dabreegster: "mencoder" works well for me; I use it to create divx/xvid from pngs. |
| 23:37.01 | M_Cheevy | dabreegster: embedding jpgs into a video isn't that unique |
| 23:37.22 | dabreegster | sky0: Awesome, that'll work great. Thanks. I just haven't had good experiences with mencoder in the past. |
| 23:38.08 | M_Cheevy | subliminal messages in advertising may be illegal, but Enron should show big corps aren't afraid of breaking the law, only of getting caught |
| 23:38.24 | dabreegster | M_Cheevy: It's for a science experiment, and we're not embedding anything dangerous. |
| 23:38.32 | loopdee | !dpms |
| 23:38.33 | dpkg | from memory, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 23:38.35 | dabreegster | Anyway, I've got to run, somebody needs the phone. Thanks guys. |
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| 23:38.44 | M_Cheevy | dabreegster: I saw that. I'm just saying what your doing isn't unique |
| 23:40.22 | derjohn | and for my cave to small .. I checked out about a dozen ERPs ... but nothing what was really goof for my case ... but I liked quasar a lot when testing ..http://www.linuxcanada.com/ |
| 23:41.16 | derjohn | threat, maybe that fits for you. I needed recurring bills and traffic accounting. a very special case. |
| 23:41.29 | meff | hey can someone give me an example of rsyncing over ssh? |
| 23:41.52 | dondelelcaro | meff: rsync -avzu foohost:foodir .; |
| 23:42.02 | meff | ah thanks |
| 23:42.04 | derjohn | meff, rsync -azv -e "ssh -c blowfish" /here root@<ip>:/backup |
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| 23:43.26 | dondelelcaro | no need for -u; just rsync foo@bar:bleh .; |
| 23:43.49 | derjohn | dondelelcaro, only if the remote host ist _not_ on localnet? it would go for rsync protocol. |
| 23:43.50 | dondelelcaro | rsync uses rsh as the transport, which on Debian is a symlink to ssh (unless for some cockamamie reason you have rsh installed) |
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| 23:44.14 | dondelelcaro | derjohn: doesn't matter. If you want rsync, you use foo::bar or rsync://foo/bar |
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| 23:45.28 | quiet | hey guys... i installed witha testing dic..want to upgrade to unstable... "aptitude dist-upgrade" halts on e2fsprogs saying that it should not remove.. but if I want to, to enable APT::Loop-Break option... |
| 23:45.34 | quiet | do I want to? If so, how? |
| 23:45.50 | blondie | dondelelcaro: rsh > ssh when you want speed :P |
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| 23:47.29 | ralf | hi all |
| 23:47.32 | dondelelcaro | blondie: that's rarely a real concern... when it is, far better to upgrade the network than use that protocol... |
| 23:47.35 | ralf | why i get this: http://pastebin.com/461613 |
| 23:47.39 | gravity | quiet: man apt.conf |
| 23:47.52 | blondie | dondelelcaro: upgrade the network from gigabit? |
| 23:47.53 | derjohn | threat, I forgot::tinyerp.org (if you are listening .... try that out!!!) |
| 23:47.59 | bucky | derjohn haven't you asked that in here before? |
| 23:48.11 | threat | ok |
| 23:48.34 | dondelelcaro | blondie: sure. |
| 23:48.40 | blondie | oh yes |
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| 23:48.54 | derjohn | bucky, what are you talking 'bout? I didnt even ask now... I tried to answer :) |
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| 23:49.36 | ma3x | hi |
| 23:49.45 | ma3x | where can I view some resumes? |
| 23:50.03 | ma3x | résumé |
| 23:50.05 | meff | dondelelcaro: hmm.. it gives this when i try "rsync -avz --delete site.org meff@box:~/sites/site" ... bash: line 1: rsync: command not found / rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender] |
| 23:50.07 | gravity | wtf |
| 23:50.25 | gravity | ma3x: Google |
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| 23:50.32 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: er, why ya asking that question here? |
| 23:50.33 | ma3x | gravity what should I google for? |
| 23:50.39 | gravity | ma3x: "resume" |
| 23:50.42 | derjohn | bucky, besides that I idle in here for some days and and got washed for being a noob when i asked for hwoto build a .deb :) |
| 23:50.46 | nuskool | ok noob question time: if I have the source for a package and the diff and .dsc files for it, how do I go about building and installing the package? |
| 23:50.48 | ma3x | M_Cheevy I'm just looking for how should the resume look like |
| 23:50.48 | gravity | ma3x: Use your imagination |
| 23:50.50 | dondelelcaro | meff: you need rsync on the other box to do that. |
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| 23:50.55 | meff | oh. |
| 23:50.56 | derjohn | meff, install rsync on the other side |
| 23:50.57 | ma3x | gravity: hm |
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| 23:50.59 | meff | thanks |
| 23:51.09 | bucky | derjohn i'm not the complaint department here |
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| 23:51.34 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: there are 100s of formats depending on what kind of work you're shooting for.... skills summary sections seem to be good for IT folks |
| 23:52.20 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: a simple google search for '"resume formats" examples' came back with some good hits |
| 23:52.38 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: e.g.: http://www.resume-resource.com/ |
| 23:53.04 | M_Cheevy | <-- currently works for a recruitment company |
| 23:53.11 | ma3x | M_Cheevy thanks a lot dude! |
| 23:53.17 | netcrusher88 | i have an older compaq laptop with a synapics touchpad. When i plug a mouse into the back, the mouse does not work, and the kernel complains about losing sync with the touchpad. I am running debian sid with kernel 2.6.14 |
| 23:53.23 | netcrusher88 | any ideas? |
| 23:53.33 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: remember, CV/resume formats are regional.. locals like their own thang |
| 23:53.35 | derjohn | bucky, you were telling me that I ask things twice? so you may be the complaint dept... but I think I go back to idle now. |
| 23:53.35 | ma3x | M_Cheevy so what do the most companies want, let's say for network admin? |
| 23:53.41 | bucky | derjohn i have a 300 lbs pit bull with AIDS that handles all my complaint issues |
| 23:53.51 | quiet | gravity, man apt.conf doesn't say anything about APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 23:53.56 | ma3x | M_Cheevy their own thing? like what? |
| 23:53.58 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: I just keep the software running... pick up some stuff by osmosis though |
| 23:54.13 | bucky | !idle |
| 23:54.16 | gravity | quiet: It does on my system |
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| 23:54.23 | bucky | !test |
| 23:54.23 | dpkg | Yes, bucky, you're still online. |
| 23:54.24 | gravity | quiet: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:54.26 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: down here they prefer a fleshed out curriculum vitae over a short form resume... in the US it's the opposite way around |
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| 23:54.34 | sky0 | quiet: it does; but that kind of documentation is obscure at best; try: http://cryingwolf.net/archives/23-DEBIAN-APT-Force-Loop-Break.html |
| 23:54.36 | quiet | i just installed from a testing disc.. |
| 23:54.49 | ma3x | M_Cheevy where you at? |
| 23:54.53 | M_Cheevy | NZ |
| 23:54.57 | quiet | all i want to do i enable it.. |
| 23:55.14 | gravity | quiet: The manpage tells you how to enable it, even if it doesn't describe it |
| 23:55.30 | gravity | quiet: You enable it the same way as any other item on that page |
| 23:55.37 | ma3x | M_Cheevy they offer a %20 job for stupid windows 2000 network. So what should my resume look like? |
| 23:55.40 | jessid_ | ey some of you can help me? |
| 23:55.43 | quiet | ok.. thanks. |
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| 23:55.59 | ma3x | M_Cheevy I mean I can setup that of course, but what should the resume contain? should I write lie? |
| 23:56.01 | jessid_ | some of you have played with wine??? |
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| 23:56.11 | jessid_ | Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible. |
| 23:56.17 | sky0 | gravity: this is package bug; I agree nobody should run unstable unless able to cope with this, but you could do better than rtfm. |
| 23:56.22 | SimonRaven | i wouldn't take that job, unless you're a masochist |
| 23:56.40 | gravity | sky0: Er... I gave him the solution as best I could |
| 23:56.43 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: like I said, a quick skills summary/grid at the top should help. also any work experience that relates to the type of work you're applying for. Resumes should be short and sweet. it's one of 1000s on the desk, the HR person will be pissed if you give him/her a novel |
| 23:56.43 | SimonRaven | i speak for myself only |
| 23:56.59 | gravity | sky0: I've never set that variable myself, so he knows everything I know about it |
| 23:57.13 | gravity | sky0: Do you have a problem with that, or should I read the manpage for him, since I don't know it either? |
| 23:57.24 | badblody | any one know the name of the package of a ssh patch tu allow "spy" ssh sesions ? |
| 23:57.50 | karsten | gravity: IMO you should RTFM and hold sky0's hand while reading it back. |
| 23:57.56 | SimonRaven | @killl badblody |
| 23:58.00 | SimonRaven | @kill badblody |
| 23:58.03 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: lies are landmines hiding around for you to accidently step on... tell the truth in your resume, if you have to lie, lie by omission |
| 23:58.07 | gravity | karsten: Maybe sky0 wants me to give him a hand job while I'm at it |
| 23:58.08 | sky0 | gravity: it was the first time I had to do it, too; no offense meant |
| 23:58.15 | dondelelcaro | badblody: that's wildly OT for #debian. |
| 23:58.22 | karsten | gravity: If you're volunteering ;-) |
| 23:58.28 | badblody | :S its a debian package |
| 23:58.34 | gravity | karsten: I'm not that willing to do the dirty work :-) |
| 23:58.40 | badblody | but i cant remember the name |
| 23:58.46 | dondelelcaro | badblody: spying on your users has nothing to do with us; use google. |
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