| 00:00.10 | kurumin_ | Do You Speack Portuguese? |
| 00:00.14 | gravity | !pt |
| 00:00.14 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:00.30 | M_Cheevy | badblody: use the synaptic search option to look for ssh in the description |
| 00:00.36 | kurumin_ | Alguem aqui fala portugues? |
| 00:00.44 | SimonRaven | ^^^ |
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| 00:01.13 | bsims | ok I am baffled I get connection refused when I try to connect to my sshd but everything looks ok, I turned on debug and nothing is showing up there |
| 00:01.19 | kurumin_ | ALguem fala portugues? |
| 00:01.27 | gravity | !tell kurumin_ about !pt |
| 00:01.27 | M_Cheevy | !pt |
| 00:01.28 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:01.36 | gravity | !tell kurumin_ about pt |
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| 00:01.52 | kurumin_ | what? |
| 00:02.17 | gravity | kurumin_: This is a channel for English-speakers. Use #debian-br for help in Portuguese. |
| 00:02.22 | karsten | Anyone else having printing issues through Galeon or Firefox on testing/unstable? A few big characters, but not what you wanted to print. |
| 00:02.42 | kurumin_ | Ok gravity |
| 00:02.46 | SimonRaven | bsims: connection refused means not running or null routed. very likely the former |
| 00:02.48 | karsten | bsims: Select verbose options on both client and server. |
| 00:03.07 | karsten | bsims: Check your logs. Run the server manually (not forking to daemon mode) with verbose debug and watch your connections. |
| 00:03.34 | karsten | bsims: Start with basic network. Can you resolve / ping host. Work up from there. |
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| 00:03.53 | teckbrain | Question-- How can I get an ATI "radeon 8500 series or higher" driver to work in Debian? |
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| 00:04.36 | M_Cheevy | teckbrain: if ATI has a driver it should come with an installer and README file.. the nvidia one is very good and the README is fantastic |
| 00:04.41 | SimonRaven | hire it for a month on a probation basis |
| 00:04.57 | SlayerXP | teckbrain: Answer-- read the debian-specific howto |
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| 00:05.05 | teckbrain | M_Cheevy: No, the driver did not come with a readme. |
| 00:05.06 | gravity | teckbrain: I think Xorg supports it. If you're running stable, there's a backport available |
| 00:05.10 | karsten | !tell M_Cheevy about ati |
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| 00:05.17 | karsten | !tell M_Cheevy about radeon |
| 00:05.30 | kurumin_ | #Debian.br |
| 00:05.36 | teckbrain | I'm using a KDE session. |
| 00:05.39 | gravity | teckbrain: Alternately, you can use the vesa driver in XFree86 that comes with stable |
| 00:05.41 | armata`bianconer | notte |
| 00:05.42 | bsims | SimonRaven: I did, no joy |
| 00:05.47 | gravity | teckbrain: KDE makes no difference at all |
| 00:05.48 | karsten | kurumin_: You'll want a /join first. |
| 00:05.51 | M_Cheevy | Karsten: I'm running a nvidia card. just using it as an example of a vendor provided driver. |
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| 00:05.54 | bsims | hrm where does it keep its logs |
| 00:06.00 | quiet | argh.... now dist-upgrade failed on hotplug.. and all it says is that dpkg returned an error code of (1) |
| 00:06.07 | M_Cheevy | teckbrain: check on the same page where you got the driver. look for the readme link |
| 00:06.09 | kurumin_ | Hi |
| 00:06.27 | M_Cheevy | kurumin: #debian_br empty? |
| 00:06.28 | SimonRaven | bsims: you did what? |
| 00:06.38 | rubenl | Hi guys I got a question, I did a complete backup of my iPodNano using 'dd' and now I would like to have access to the fat32 partition which contains my music from that backup, is there any HOWTO or a quick way to do this? |
| 00:06.50 | kurumin_ | yes |
| 00:06.53 | kurumin_ | empty |
| 00:06.55 | gravity | M_Cheevy: He doesn't need the stupid driver from ATGI |
| 00:07.01 | gravity | M_Cheevy: He can use the one that comes with Debian |
| 00:07.10 | teckbrain | How do I get that to work? |
| 00:07.18 | kurumin_ | where are you from? |
| 00:07.21 | wjl | rubenl: mount -o loop ipad_fat32.img mount_point |
| 00:07.22 | karsten | dpkg: binary modules is http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735 |
| 00:07.23 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 00:07.23 | gravity | teckbrain: What happens when you run X now? |
| 00:07.27 | karsten | M_Cheevy: Read that link. |
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| 00:07.51 | M_Cheevy | rubenl: first, you need to make sure fat32 partitions are configured as either a module or built in |
| 00:07.57 | teckbrain | When I run X, it works fine. |
| 00:07.58 | kurumin_ | M_Cheevy - Where are you from? |
| 00:08.06 | gravity | teckbrain: Then what's the problem? |
| 00:08.07 | karsten | rubenl: You can provide an offset that seeks through the image file to your FAT partition. |
| 00:08.07 | M_Cheevy | karsten: not familiar with ATI. |
| 00:08.09 | ice_1963 | well |
| 00:08.16 | karsten | M_Cheevy: http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735 |
| 00:08.28 | M_Cheevy | Kurumin: originally, USA, but living in NZ for 7yrs now (so don't blame me for Bush ;) ) |
| 00:08.29 | rubenl | karsten: what is the option for that? and what program would I use the 'mount' program? |
| 00:08.36 | bsims | I restarted sshd with -ddd and am still not seeing any errors |
| 00:08.39 | teckbrain | I want TV out and 3d rendering. |
| 00:08.51 | karsten | rubenl: ... easier if you run fdisk -lu on the file. |
| 00:08.52 | teckbrain | Plus a 32-bit colour depth and higher res. |
| 00:08.53 | M_Cheevy | karsten; not that interested... using nvidia now |
| 00:09.00 | karsten | rubenl: man mount. |
| 00:09.07 | gravity | teckbrain: 32 bits and higher res should work if you're running the ati or radeon driver |
| 00:09.17 | teckbrain | But I'm not running the driver. |
| 00:09.23 | M_Cheevy | sometimes the vendor supplied driver blows the doors of the linux one... I know that's the case with the card I have |
| 00:09.28 | gravity | teckbrain: What driver are you running? |
| 00:09.33 | M_Cheevy | doors of = doors off |
| 00:09.34 | karsten | M_Cheevy: If you're at all interested in the level of support by kernel developers for binary modules, read that. End of conversation. |
| 00:09.35 | teckbrain | Some standard driver. |
| 00:09.40 | gravity | teckbrain: You're not helping here |
| 00:09.42 | Morydd | can anyone confirm that digikam is uninstallable in unstable before I file a bug? |
| 00:09.57 | rubenl | karsten: so the number i get as the START is my offset correct? |
| 00:10.04 | karsten | rubenl: Sec. |
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| 00:10.15 | gravity | teckbrain: There are drivers for ATI cards that come with Debian. Are you running one of those? |
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| 00:10.18 | M_Cheevy | karsten: I have some first hand experience with that using the vendor supplied nvidia driver. It's 200% better than the linux one... by extrapolation I figure the same is true for ATI |
| 00:10.20 | teckbrain | Nope. |
| 00:10.27 | karsten | rubenl: IIRC, yes. |
| 00:10.31 | gravity | teckbrain: Then which one is it? vesa? |
| 00:10.36 | teckbrain | Yes, it is vesa. |
| 00:10.43 | gravity | teckbrain: Ok. Are you running stable? |
| 00:10.46 | teckbrain | Yep. |
| 00:10.49 | rubenl | karsten: Uh? |
| 00:10.54 | teckbrain | More stable than windows! |
| 00:10.55 | gravity | teckbrain: Ok. Try installing the xorg backport. |
| 00:10.58 | teckbrain | Okay. |
| 00:11.03 | kurumin_ | Portuguese? |
| 00:11.03 | gravity | !xorg sarge |
| 00:11.03 | dpkg | i guess xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 00:11.05 | kurumin_ | Portuguese? |
| 00:11.07 | gravity | teckbrain: ^ |
| 00:11.09 | kurumin_ | Portuguese? |
| 00:11.10 | karsten | rubenl: ? |
| 00:11.11 | gravity | kurumin_: For the last time, no |
| 00:11.23 | bsims | SimonRaven: ok this is wierd I tried to connect to another machine via ssh when I had sshd started locally and got this Connection closed by 192.168.1.101 and then pam started its cleanup |
| 00:11.26 | rubenl | karsten: did u answer yes to my question? |
| 00:11.30 | kurumin_ | Portuguese |
| 00:11.31 | rubenl | using START = the offset? |
| 00:11.33 | kurumin_ | Portugues |
| 00:11.34 | M_Cheevy | gravity: he did go to #debian-br.. it was empty... |
| 00:11.36 | *** mode/#Debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ |
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| 00:11.41 | gravity | M_Cheevy: Don't give a shit |
| 00:11.45 | karsten | rubenl: Question being? |
| 00:11.48 | M_Cheevy | Kurumin: quit flooding or your toast |
| 00:12.05 | gravity | If we can't help him, he can try other venues |
| 00:12.15 | sky0 | quiet: try "apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade"; maybe remove and reinstall hotplug; don't forget to reinstall e2fsprogs before you reboot |
| 00:12.19 | M_Cheevy | gravity: I agree, putting it out there 100 times ain't gonna help him |
| 00:12.27 | grendal_prime | grr.. |
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| 00:12.38 | grendal_prime | i whish there was a backport of gambas |
| 00:12.50 | rubenl | karsten: when I type fdisk -lu, I get COMPLETE_NANO_IPOD_BACKUP.bin1 * 160650 7984304 3911827+ b W95 FAT32 , so the offset would be the START right? |
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| 00:12.51 | karsten | rubenl: losetup is another solution, but I haven't used it. |
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| 00:13.02 | karsten | rubenl: Yes, I think, I'm verifying. |
| 00:13.06 | grendal_prime | i need a basic backend for kommpair |
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| 00:13.14 | grendal_prime | sorry kommander |
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| 00:13.20 | M_Cheevy | gravity: seems to be a prob with your kick/ban script... it doesn't appear to actually do the /kick ;) |
| 00:13.40 | rubenl | karsten: as I though when u said Sec. you meant sector or something ;/ |
| 00:13.53 | gravity | M_Cheevy: It's not supposed to |
| 00:13.54 | karsten | rubenl: No. "Gimme a second" |
| 00:14.00 | rubenl | yea just figured it out |
| 00:14.12 | M_Cheevy | gravity: er... okay.... |
| 00:14.14 | karsten | rubenl: Trying to find teh !@#$%^& offset argument to mount |
| 00:14.19 | gravity | M_Cheevy: The idea is to just quiet the person. If they want to hang around and listen and learn, they can |
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| 00:14.38 | rubenl | karsten: thanx |
| 00:14.48 | nuskool | ok why does www.debian.org have ipw2100-source listed as a package but apt-cache search ipw2100-source does not? |
| 00:14.57 | M_Cheevy | gravity: a shot across the bows as it were? |
| 00:15.03 | gravity | M_Cheevy: Sorta |
| 00:15.20 | M_Cheevy | gravity: a +b would certainly get my attention ;) |
| 00:15.25 | karsten | rubenl: Multiply by 512. Eg, for a partition at sector 401625: $ sudo mount -o loop,offset=$(( 401625*512 )) -t ext2 -r $PWD/../rhel4-virgin-install.img $PWD/mp1 |
| 00:15.35 | wjl | nuskool: it's in contrib; make sure you have that in your sources.list |
| 00:15.45 | karsten | rubenl: $(( )) does the math on the shell. |
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| 00:16.36 | M_Cheevy | gravity: have you thought of having the channel +m (moderated) and the +v (voice) every user that comes in, then -v the buttholes? |
| 00:16.48 | rubenl | karsten: thanx a lot... |
| 00:16.51 | gravity | M_Cheevy: Why bother? |
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| 00:16.51 | karsten | rubenl: Confirmed here, it works. Got that? |
| 00:16.53 | karsten | rubenl: NP. |
| 00:16.54 | M_Cheevy | gravity: the bot could handle the +v's |
| 00:17.09 | hent | and get even more onjoin/part spam : ? |
| 00:17.12 | gravity | M_Cheevy: Yeah, but everyone already defaults to having a voice |
| 00:17.19 | karsten | rubenl: FWIW, losetup's probably easier, but it's more straightforward for me to work from first principles. |
| 00:17.29 | SimonRaven | M_Cheevy: +q is the same |
| 00:17.40 | SimonRaven | +q is like -v in an +m chan |
| 00:17.41 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: ah, +q is a new mode since I played heavily with irc |
| 00:18.00 | SimonRaven | it's dancer/hyperion-specific |
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| 00:18.18 | M_Cheevy | dancer/hyperion = the ircd? |
| 00:18.34 | SimonRaven | that you're connected to yes |
| 00:18.48 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: sorry, shorthand |
| 00:19.13 | rubenl | karsten: thanx again |
| 00:19.28 | karsten | rubenl: NP again. Loopback mounts are fun. |
| 00:19.50 | M_Cheevy | <-- afk-ish... root canal in 40mins.. working on "anesthesia" |
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| 00:29.00 | loopdee | ouch |
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| 00:29.14 | M_Cheevy | loppdee: ouch = root canal? |
| 00:29.20 | M_Cheevy | er loopdee that is |
| 00:29.20 | loopdee | yea? |
| 00:29.31 | loopdee | needs anesthesia? |
| 00:29.37 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here can help me with an english wordsnippet? i'm writing an application for a phd position, but need a little help ;-) which one of them is the most formal one: "boost a technology modell", "support a technology modell", "nurture a technology modell", ... ? *confused* |
| 00:29.43 | hent | yummy anastetics mmmm |
| 00:29.43 | loopdee | !root canal |
| 00:29.51 | hent | !drugs |
| 00:29.51 | dpkg | drugs is, like, what is packed into ody colon during vacation, or bad |
| 00:29.55 | gravity | ctp: s/modell/model/ |
| 00:29.58 | thingfish | ctp: support |
| 00:30.03 | loopdee | lol |
| 00:30.10 | ctp | thx |
| 00:30.11 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: not so painful as the root nerve is dead, but if i gotta sit in the chair for two hours I better be stoned |
| 00:30.20 | gravity | ctp: Those aren't really more or less formal, they have different meanings |
| 00:30.23 | loopdee | haha |
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| 00:30.33 | M_Cheevy | ctp: first thing, in english "modell" is spelt with only one "l" |
| 00:30.39 | thingfish | support is more "professional". |
| 00:30.58 | thingfish | sorry, 'support' |
| 00:31.08 | ctp | ok |
| 00:31.11 | gravity | ctp: "boots" means "to improve or make higher or bigger". "support" means "to maintain or keep going". "nurture" means "to help grow and mature" |
| 00:31.37 | gravity | ctp: So your word choice should depend on what you want to say |
| 00:31.46 | M_Cheevy | boost and nuture are somewhat synomous is this context. if you are championing the model "nuture" would be good, if you actually keep it going "support' would be better |
| 00:32.14 | thingfish | nurture probably provides more "color" than he desires. |
| 00:32.22 | thingfish | but that's just my impression. |
| 00:32.28 | Supaplex | crap, I'm still in the english 101 channel? brb, switching to #debian ! |
| 00:32.31 | M_Cheevy | that's the second CV/resume type question today.. nothing like the holidays to make people consider a life change |
| 00:32.32 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:32.52 | M_Cheevy | championing is the current buzzword |
| 00:32.58 | anuvis | who knows translator ingles Spanish? |
| 00:33.04 | anuvis | to |
| 00:33.11 | Guerin | anuvis: babelfish.altavista.com |
| 00:33.13 | Supaplex | ask professor google |
| 00:33.16 | M_Cheevy | anuvis: babelfish |
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| 00:33.38 | ctp | gravity: hm, so working on processes to improve the effectivity of existing modells is called "nurture"? |
| 00:33.58 | Guerin | ctp: dictionary.com |
| 00:34.00 | anuvis | but pakages?? |
| 00:34.04 | thingfish | ctp: 'model' has 1 'l'/ |
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| 00:34.21 | M_Cheevy | ctp: what's wrong with "developing processes to improve efficiency of existing models"? |
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| 00:34.37 | ctp | thingfish: ;-) |
| 00:34.52 | ctp | M_Cheevy: sounds nice. thx ;-) |
| 00:34.52 | rubenl | karsten: fyi, I used losetup -o $$(( SECTOR*512)) /dev/loop6 IPODBACKUP.BIN and it worked perfectly |
| 00:35.04 | M_Cheevy | ctp: don't thank me, you came up with it |
| 00:35.10 | kartoo | i want to add the source http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org/ to my apt's sources.lst |
| 00:35.20 | kartoo | but it doesnt accept my format |
| 00:35.33 | karsten | rubenl: Coolio. I've never used it ;-) |
| 00:35.40 | Supaplex | cheese in an executive statment just plain stinks. and no, it's not as tasty as stinky cheeses. |
| 00:35.53 | karsten | rubenl: using mount is one less command to learn ;-) |
| 00:36.01 | kartoo | it says Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/pending/openoffice.org/dists/unstable/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 |
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| 00:36.17 | ss9 | test |
| 00:36.21 | M_Cheevy | Supaplex: by cheese I take it you mean biz-speak Gen II? |
| 00:36.26 | kartoo | and asks me to revert |
| 00:36.32 | ss9 | do I have voice? |
| 00:36.34 | gravity | ctp: Maybe. I'd go with "boost" or "improve" for that. "nurture" is usually associated with a very young thing, like a child. |
| 00:36.37 | karsten | ss9: Yes. |
| 00:36.41 | gravity | ctp: Anyway, this is off-topic for the channel |
| 00:36.59 | kartoo | how should i get the openoffice2 with this source? |
| 00:37.49 | M_Cheevy | kartoo: download the packages, and then use dpkg to install them from the drive |
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| 00:37.55 | ctp | gravity: yeah, it is. but #debian is my home and my castle ;-) and the phd position is linux based ;-) |
| 00:38.06 | ss9 | Well here's my problem. I've had a dormant Debian box that I just re-hooked up to the internet. I did an update, including to the latest kernel, and now my X doesn't load. The log says "no screens found". By the way, I have the nvidia driver. Anyone know what I should do to fix this thing up? Thanks. |
| 00:38.21 | M_Cheevy | ctp: problem is, you share this home and castle with everyone else ;) |
| 00:38.28 | gozz | i have a little problem. windows has crashed again and i dont want to reinstall my debian again. last time i had to fix windows the grub loader was gone and i didnt know how to boot my debian installation. |
| 00:38.47 | M_Cheevy | ss9: take a look at your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:38.49 | kartoo | M_Cheevy: I wonder if i need to download all of them. |
| 00:39.02 | exobyte | permissions/ownership are the same for all references to a file (hard links), right? |
| 00:39.04 | kartoo | M_Cheevy: or just the tar package there |
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| 00:39.17 | ss9 | M_Cheevy: yea I did. I tried changing the driver from "nvidia" to the generic "nv". Rebooted, and I got the same error. |
| 00:39.22 | M_Cheevy | kartoo: granted, dependencies might be a bit of bitch... try and use the .deb files if they're there |
| 00:39.48 | M_Cheevy | ss9: the server driver ain't the problem. sounds like your displays section got scootched. |
| 00:39.58 | kartoo | ok |
| 00:40.16 | gozz | can i install grub through windows or do i need a livecd or something? |
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| 00:40.46 | honschu | Hi |
| 00:40.49 | ss9 | M_Cheevy: Is there a way to just reinstall X from scratch and then re-setup my nvidia driver after that? |
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| 00:40.55 | karsten | gozz: livecd will be a whole lot easier. |
| 00:41.08 | honschu | ss9: nvidia driver proprietary? |
| 00:41.13 | M_Cheevy | ss9: shouldn't be that necessary... you should be able to rebuild the XF86Config... that would be MUCH easier |
| 00:41.19 | ss9 | honschu: yet |
| 00:41.29 | ss9 | honschu: err. I meant "yep" |
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| 00:41.44 | M_Cheevy | ss9: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common I think |
| 00:42.07 | M_Cheevy | gotta go... dental hell for a couple of hours... |
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| 00:42.49 | ss9 | I don't have a dpkg-reconfigure command. |
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| 00:43.05 | Supaplex | ss9: are you root? |
| 00:43.11 | ss9 | Supaplex: yes |
| 00:43.17 | ss9 | Supaplex: oops. no. |
| 00:43.18 | ss9 | hehe |
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| 00:43.45 | ss9 | do you know what is the command to reconfigure my X with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 00:44.08 | Gnea | !configure xf4 |
| 00:44.08 | dpkg | configure xf4 is, like, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (and if that doesn't work, ask me about install xf4), and make sure /etc/X11/X points to your X server (/usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86), or as a last resort, try xf86config or "XFree86 -configure", or try xf86cfg |
| 00:44.29 | Supaplex | !setup x |
| 00:44.30 | dpkg | well, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 00:44.46 | gravity | God, I need to make that thing work better... :-( |
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| 00:45.34 | quiet | grr... hey guys... i successfully dist-upgraded to unstable... just the base.. i ran tasksel and choose desktop and file server... and it fails with "debconf: Unable to load Debconf::Element::Dialog. Failed because: Can't locate Debconf/Element/Dialog.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) |
| 00:45.34 | quiet | at (eval 25) line 2, <GEN0> line 16. |
| 00:46.02 | Gnea | quiet: using only dist-upgrade? |
| 00:46.03 | ss9 | do I load GLCore? |
| 00:46.10 | quiet | Gnea, yes.. |
| 00:46.11 | ss9 | or dri? |
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| 00:46.15 | Heimidal | #exim |
| 00:46.17 | Heimidal | errr |
| 00:46.30 | Gnea | quiet: whoops. aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade is the way to go |
| 00:46.42 | ss9 | Suplaplex: with proprietary nvidia driver, which modules am I supposed to uncheck? |
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| 00:48.57 | jackel | how do you load a sound module ? |
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| 00:49.23 | exobyte | can a user chmod or chown a file he doesn't own, but is in a directory he owns? |
| 00:49.37 | karsten | exobyte: chmod yes, chown no. |
| 00:49.41 | karsten | exobyte: ... excepting root. |
| 00:49.50 | exobyte | karsten: well, that's given |
| 00:49.56 | karsten | exobyte: ... given 'w' access on the directory. |
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| 00:50.23 | karsten | exobyte: chown == cp old new; rm old |
| 00:50.39 | karsten | exobyte: ... which makes the file yours. You can't give it to someone else. |
| 00:51.20 | exobyte | karsten: ah.. hmm- maybe I should make it owned by root... |
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| 00:53.24 | LightAngel | folks, does debian has any configuration utility via bash, like "mcc" on mandriva? |
| 00:54.30 | repp | what does mcc do? |
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| 00:55.06 | LightAngel | well opens a little menu with "services, networking, partitions, etc" |
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| 00:55.17 | TeBoar | does anybody know how to get earlier versions with apt-get, so like, php4 instead of php5 |
| 00:55.21 | devicenull | I must say, that was the easiest linux install I've ever done |
| 00:55.53 | LightAngel | like if I wanna config the network I open that mcc and select some things, via bash |
| 00:56.01 | LightAngel | cause I'm still a beginner and I need to config a lan server |
| 00:56.13 | repp | LightAngel: no, nothing like that that I know of; there may possibly be a package that provides such a thing though |
| 00:56.15 | LightAngel | but I used mandriva until now, but I think it's time to "evolve" |
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| 00:56.23 | LightAngel | aha, like...? |
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| 00:56.54 | Gold | hello all |
| 00:56.54 | devicenull | ..pgsql.. thats whats meant by sql server |
| 00:56.56 | devicenull | hrm |
| 00:56.58 | LightAngel | the sole thing it bothers me is that the only way to config the networking is via ifconfig, and I'm kinda lost there |
| 00:57.00 | ss9 | X won't start. Get this error in log: (EE) No devices detected. |
| 00:57.04 | repp | LightAngel: well like webmin, that provides such a service but only over a web interface. |
| 00:57.08 | repp | LightAngel: no no no |
| 00:57.16 | repp | LightAngel: network config is via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:57.17 | Sagan | hi, anyone knows any proyect about distributed operating systems after 1999??? |
| 00:57.25 | Gnea | !tell LightAngel about interfaces |
| 00:57.38 | dondelelcaro | LightAngel: most of that stuff you just do with an editor; network-console-config will do some of it. |
| 00:58.01 | LightAngel | repp well that's what I'm talking. I need something that'll help me to config some things without X but but not editing files manually, cause I'm kinda lost there |
| 00:58.14 | Gnea | Sagan: what? |
| 00:58.33 | LightAngel | just a sec to give you a screen shot with mcc :) |
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| 00:58.54 | Gnea | LightAngel: dpkg just msg'd you with some easy to follow instruction |
| 00:58.58 | repp | LightAngel: see dondelelcaro's comment: network-console-config |
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| 00:59.11 | fndude | LightAngel: yast4debian is probably something you would be interested in. |
| 00:59.43 | Gnea | dude, yast in suse is broken, what makes you think it's gonna work in debian right? |
| 00:59.56 | LightAngel | http://home.razva.info/mcc.jpg <- like this |
| 01:00.11 | fndude | fndude: funny doesn't look broken, has it become broken? |
| 01:00.15 | fndude | heh |
| 01:00.34 | LightAngel | well...yast...isn't that for suse?:P |
| 01:00.46 | Gnea | fndude: you've never used suse then |
| 01:01.28 | LightAngel | so, does debian has something like that -> http://home.razva.info/mcc.jpg or I can forget the ideea? |
| 01:01.52 | loopdee | debconf? |
| 01:02.11 | LightAngel | loopdee hmmm, let me google it |
| 01:02.11 | Gnea | LightAngel: there are gui's/frontends, but nothing substantial |
| 01:02.18 | loopdee | nah its for packages... |
| 01:02.31 | LightAngel | nope, not for packages |
| 01:02.36 | loopdee | ? |
| 01:02.45 | LightAngel | for networking especially |
| 01:02.55 | loopdee | google |
| 01:02.57 | Gnea | LightAngel: debian is very hands-on. if you want windows, go back to redsplat |
| 01:02.58 | loopdee | oops |
| 01:02.59 | loopdee | lol |
| 01:02.59 | LightAngel | but note, Xless |
| 01:03.32 | ss9 | need help with X please. can't get X to start at all. |
| 01:03.36 | LightAngel | Gnea well I need to learn lol, and I'm at the "begining" so..it will take some time |
| 01:03.39 | loopdee | ifconfig |
| 01:03.45 | LightAngel | loopdee yeah |
| 01:03.56 | repp | LightAngel: well, if you invest perhaps 30 minutes into browsing /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz and "man 5 interfaces" and trying some things out, you'll have your X net-config tool (in the form of whatever editor you like) |
| 01:04.18 | Gnea | LightAngel: ok, well, no, there is no simple frontend like what you showed that will do it - you'll simply have to learn how to do it the debian way, and that entails lots of reading and doing |
| 01:04.27 | loopdee | network-console-config |
| 01:04.41 | loopdee | nah |
| 01:04.43 | loopdee | ill shut up now |
| 01:04.47 | loopdee | sounded good |
| 01:04.51 | honschu | ss9: Your question is too general. |
| 01:04.52 | ss9 | when I run dpkg-reconfigure xfree86, it gets the "identifier" for my video card wrong. It's calling it a geforce FX card, but I have a 6800GT. The X log file also says (EE) No devices detected. |
| 01:04.53 | ice_1963 | gedit |
| 01:05.00 | ss9 | honschu: see above please |
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| 01:05.22 | honschu | ss9: What module do you use? |
| 01:05.52 | honschu | ss9: What "X-Driver" do you use for your card? "nv oder nvidia" ? |
| 01:05.52 | ss9 | honschu: not sure by module. I'm using the 'nvidia' I think. I did the nvidia one-liner according to the instructions on this channel. |
| 01:05.53 | Gnea | ss9: it's asking you to define it - really doesn't matter what the identifier is as long as they match up, all it cares about is the driver |
| 01:05.54 | LightAngel | Gnea ooooooook than it seems I need a nap and tomorow some coffee :D |
| 01:06.15 | honschu | What is a nvidia one-liner? |
| 01:06.16 | ss9 | Gnea: so why does it says (EE) No devices detected. ? |
| 01:06.22 | repp | LightAngel: it is like riding a bike ... ;) |
| 01:06.28 | ss9 | honschu: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 01:06.32 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:06.33 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:06.45 | Gnea | ss9: i have no idea |
| 01:07.08 | Gnea | loopdee: i just installed this so-called network-console-config and there is no command for it |
| 01:07.12 | LightAngel | but for the start, just to start the pc and connect it to the internet, I suppose it has something for X right?:) |
| 01:07.29 | honschu | ss9: Why don't you use the "nv" x-driver? It's open source. |
| 01:07.41 | Gnea | oh, base-network-console-config |
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| 01:07.51 | ss9 | honschu: nevermind I fixed it. |
| 01:07.59 | ss9 | thanks |
| 01:08.15 | honschu | ss9: What did you fix? |
| 01:08.24 | honschu | lol |
| 01:08.29 | honschu | What a nice guy ;) |
| 01:08.43 | Gnea | loopdee: what crap, that's part of the initial installation method! |
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| 01:09.16 | quiet | okay...aptitude upgrade fails at "shared-mime-info" saying that "Package is in a very bad incosistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." and 'Removing dnsutils ... terminate string after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error' what(): basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid |
| 01:09.49 | honschu | Gnea: oh no |
| 01:10.03 | Gnea | ? |
| 01:10.07 | Supaplex | Gnea: work for some company you'd like to raise hell with :) |
| 01:11.00 | Gnea | Supaplex: yeah well i applied but no responses and the response i got hasn't gotten back to me when they said they would |
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| 01:12.49 | Gold | how is everyone doing tonight |
| 01:12.50 | LightAngel | gnight |
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| 01:14.39 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 01:14.40 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 01:14.46 | dondelelcaro | quiet: please give us the above information. |
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| 01:15.38 | LightAngel | Hawkwind check your private on the "other" network, it's about your page and I suppose it's kinda important :D gnight all |
| 01:15.46 | quiet | wow... hrm... well i was able to fix the previous error and successfully complete aptitude upgrade |
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| 01:16.55 | snowgeese | does debian like more than 512 ram |
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| 01:17.20 | Gnea | no |
| 01:17.22 | Gnea | it loves it |
| 01:17.24 | mtnman | snowgeese: doesn't everyone |
| 01:17.27 | mtnman | ? |
| 01:17.42 | Gnea | snowgeese: you may need to recompile your kernel though |
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| 01:18.21 | snowgeese | ok is its 512 then i gues kernal is ok |
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| 01:20.55 | moret | hi people! |
| 01:21.12 | moret | I need resize my partitions, but with parted I get errors... |
| 01:21.17 | moret | any better program_ |
| 01:21.19 | moret | ? |
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| 01:24.38 | jackel | the snd module is missing |
| 01:24.42 | jackel | how do i reinstall it ? |
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| 01:28.32 | quiet | grr... okay... here's my problem.... I have aptitude upgraded and dist-upgraded to unstable... using tasksel to select dektop env. and file server.. I get debconf errors... |
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| 01:28.50 | M_Cheevy | does debian have "yaird" (yet another initrd) as a package? |
| 01:28.54 | quiet | "Can;t locate object method "new" via package "Debconf::Element::Dialog" |
| 01:29.09 | quiet | at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd.pm |
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| 01:29.35 | vinay | iso images lack information like boot records and cd-text, etc... what kindof images can i make to ensure that when i recreate the cd it is a real replica? (ignoring any fancy copy protection bad sector stuff) |
| 01:29.39 | quiet | I assume that's where I change the thing it asks at the beginning from 'dialog' for questions?? dpkg-reconfigure something? |
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| 01:30.28 | zerojakel | hello |
| 01:30.29 | bbrazil | vinay: isos include boot recored (el-toredo iirc) |
| 01:30.38 | beoba | :} |
| 01:30.47 | zerojakel | I have a problem with module |
| 01:30.53 | vinay | bbrazil: ok, i rephrase... i guess i just dont know how to "create" an iso that automaticaly catches all additional data (such as boot records) |
| 01:31.07 | zerojakel | I have a problem with a module |
| 01:31.12 | bbrazil | vinay: from an existing cd? dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso |
| 01:31.53 | M_Cheevy | vinay: forget which specific X app I used, (probably xtoaster), but I managed to get perfectly working ISOs of Win2003 SBS (all 4 disks) no problem |
| 01:32.26 | zerojakel | via-agp with mainboard p4vm800 |
| 01:32.32 | M_Cheevy | ripping off microsoft isn't just fun, it's a duty ;) |
| 01:33.36 | quiet | okay... if it provides any more info... dpkg-reconfigure debconf to use Readline gives the same style error... "Can't locate object method "new" via package "Debconf::Element::Teletype" at /usr/chare/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd.pm line 67, <GEN0> line 121. |
| 01:33.41 | devicenull | how can I get a list of packages installed? |
| 01:33.45 | quiet | how do I fix this?? please help? |
| 01:33.53 | vinay | bbrazil: hmm, thats how i normally did it ... with dd .. but that didnt keep el-torito info |
| 01:34.45 | bbrazil | vinay: thats odd, I've dd'ed from woody cds and burnt them later without problems |
| 01:34.53 | M_Cheevy | quiet: did you check line 67 of the file? also I found somewhere last night (will check history file to see if I can find it) about how to fix broken packages by editting the /var/lib files |
| 01:35.22 | bbrazil | devicenull: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
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| 01:35.42 | zerojakel | help me |
| 01:35.51 | devicenull | thank you |
| 01:36.59 | devicenull | I dont suppose theres a nice way to configure my network connection? |
| 01:37.10 | bbrazil | devicenull: man interfaces |
| 01:37.14 | quiet | devicenull, base-config |
| 01:37.45 | loopdee | hmm, it seems the top bar in gnome is burning into my lcd.... what can i do to stop that? |
| 01:38.18 | guk | does anyone have a good idea to backup a complete system running using software raid (oviously it would have to backup from the filesystem level not the HDD level) |
| 01:38.26 | M_Cheevy | quite: check this out: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/251 ("Dealing with troublesome package upgrades or removals) |
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| 01:38.45 | devicenull | quiet, base-config doesnt exactly let me set a static IP address |
| 01:39.09 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: best bet is to directly edit the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 01:39.18 | devicenull | yea, Im reading the man page on that now |
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| 01:39.22 | bbrazil | guk: rsync, if you need a snapshot break the mirror. |
| 01:39.34 | bucky | devicenull, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 01:39.45 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: auto eth0 inet static / address 192.168.1.1 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ..... |
| 01:39.52 | bucky | !tell zerojakel about ask |
| 01:39.56 | robin_sz | is debian for Windows XP out yet? |
| 01:39.57 | guk | bbrazil: that will backup all my dev values and such |
| 01:40.15 | guk | bbrazil: what im looking for is a complete image that I could simply transfer over to a new HDD ... slap a bootsector up and call it home |
| 01:40.18 | guk | ;-) |
| 01:40.30 | zerojakel | I have a problem with my ati card |
| 01:40.31 | honschu | robin_sz: ? |
| 01:40.48 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: specific syntax is online at the Debian Installation Manual Section C (debootstrap installs) |
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| 01:41.00 | robin_sz | dang :) |
| 01:41.07 | devicenull | ahh, to much info :P |
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| 01:41.15 | honschu | Is it possible to write a DVD DL ? Which program? |
| 01:41.47 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: DIM Section C has a quick sample for setting up networking which has the static syntax |
| 01:41.55 | zerojakel | I can't get acceleration |
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| 01:42.04 | snowgeese | wel 768 ram 1,5 should me debian lil wicker |
| 01:42.18 | devicenull | yea, the manual someone linked me to works nicely |
| 01:42.36 | bbrazil | guk: there should be options for rsync to handle devices etc. properl - if not use cp -R |
| 01:42.46 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en#id2531400 section C.4.4.3 |
| 01:42.53 | zerojakel | help me |
| 01:42.56 | devicenull | its okay, its already set up and working |
| 01:43.17 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: no worries, had to go through the entire Section C to get mine setup |
| 01:43.18 | quiet | M_Cheevy, line 67 of FrontEnd.pm is "my $element="Debconf::Element::$type"->new(question => @question);" |
| 01:43.29 | M_Cheevy | quiet: sorry, don't do perl |
| 01:43.40 | devicenull | the real test is if I can ssh into it |
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| 01:43.57 | devicenull | which I can |
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| 01:43.59 | devicenull | yay. |
| 01:44.07 | quiet | *sigh*.... why does this have to be so difficult just to upgrade from etch to sid... |
| 01:44.14 | M_Cheevy | quiet: did you get that link I gave you about fixing packages? |
| 01:44.17 | bsims | I can't connect to sshd it's running as tcp6 instead of tcp what to look at? |
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| 01:44.29 | quiet | M_Cheevy, umm... don't think so? |
| 01:44.30 | bucky | !tell zerojakel about ati |
| 01:44.37 | yopop | hi |
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| 01:44.43 | M_Cheevy | bucky: oh joy, another ati issue ;) |
| 01:44.54 | bbrazil | bsims: can you get in on v6? |
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| 01:45.10 | bsims | I have no idea how or why it started to use v6 |
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| 01:45.39 | bsims | all I get is connection denied and it doesn't give me any errors |
| 01:45.45 | M_Cheevy | bsims: ah, the joys of automatic dependency resolutions ;) |
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| 01:46.10 | bbrazil | bsims: mine is tcp6 on several systems, and it works fine for both v4 and v6 |
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| 01:46.38 | bsims | M_Cheevy: any ideas on what I need to downgrade to unfsck this? |
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| 01:47.14 | M_Cheevy | bsims: sorry, no experience with it |
| 01:47.46 | M_Cheevy | my comment only showed commiseration with suprises like "how'd that get upgraded?" |
| 01:47.52 | buu | Hrm. Is there anyway to make open office open an "opendocument text attachment" ? |
| 01:47.53 | bbrazil | bsims: does it work on loopback and are you trying on v4 or v6? |
| 01:48.01 | c4_ | im trying to patch a 2.6.14.1 kernel source with: bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.6.14.2.bz2 | patch -p1; why it complains: "1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Makefile.rej..."? |
| 01:48.23 | M_Cheevy | c4: did you do the patch --dry-run? |
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| 01:48.46 | devicenull | does ssh start on boot by default? |
| 01:48.56 | ludi | why is epiphany still only at version 1.4.8? |
| 01:49.05 | relaxed | c4_: that patch is for 2.6.14, not 2.6.14.1 |
| 01:49.10 | ludi | why doesn't abiword read .odt (open document format) files? |
| 01:49.13 | bsims | devicenull: yeah, hrm just let me via bsims@localhost |
| 01:49.21 | bbrazil | devicenull: debconf option |
| 01:49.30 | caphuso | c4_: because it's a patch against 2.6.14 not 2.6.14.1 |
| 01:49.34 | buu | ludi: Who knows |
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| 01:49.45 | nimak2 | just wondering, how many people use sid? |
| 01:49.48 | c4_ | M_Cheevy: nop |
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| 01:50.27 | M_Cheevy | c4_: in future, always add the --dry-run to verify it will work before it actually changes things.... |
| 01:50.34 | c4_ | relaxed: so, i have to keep allways the 2.x.x , not the 2.x.x.x AAGG |
| 01:50.40 | c4_ | i have deleted that! |
| 01:50.49 | cyberix | Does wget have a switch for not recursing upwards the directory tree of a webserver. |
| 01:50.53 | M_Cheevy | !poll |
| 01:50.54 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 01:50.55 | dvs | c4_: Back to the drawing board |
| 01:51.00 | c4_ | M_Cheevy: ok |
| 01:51.16 | quiet | fuck it... i'm reinstalling.. |
| 01:51.23 | bsims | bbrazil: it works on localhost and v4 or 6 was not specified |
| 01:51.30 | c4_ | dvs: damn!, i have dial up and low disk space... 8o) |
| 01:51.39 | M_Cheevy | c4: sounds like you might be missing a patch.. the patch you're applying is from .1 to .2 have you applied the patch to get to .1? |
| 01:51.54 | cyberix | I'd like to download a web-directory with wget, but there are these "Parent Directory" links that are trying to make me download the entire server. |
| 01:51.55 | caphuso | M_Cheevy: wrong |
| 01:51.56 | dvs | M_Cheevy: He need 2.6.14 to use the patch on |
| 01:51.58 | nimak2 | hows this: where can i find out what percentage of debian users are on sid |
| 01:52.23 | c4_ | M_Cheevy: no, i've downloaded that 2.6.14.1 from kernel.org |
| 01:52.25 | quiet | nimak, i'm trying!! but it keeps breaking when upgrading |
| 01:52.26 | M_Cheevy | caphuso: worth a shot, that's why I prefaced it with "sounds like..." |
| 01:52.31 | yookoala | Hello |
| 01:52.50 | c4_ | M_Cheevy: the .rej says something about the versions |
| 01:53.03 | bbrazil | bsims: add a -v and see which ssh is using, or even better use the v4 and v6 versions of telnet |
| 01:53.04 | dvs | c4_: Why do you want 2.6.14.2 when 2.6.14.3 is available? |
| 01:53.08 | devicenull | debconf seems worthless for this task |
| 01:53.10 | M_Cheevy | c4_: then that might just be the problem after all |
| 01:53.30 | c4_ | i mean speaker boxes |
| 01:53.31 | yookoala | I have a little Pentium 2XX machine running Debian (testing) |
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| 01:53.55 | c4_ | dvs: 2.6.14.3 includes 2.6.14.2 patch? |
| 01:54.03 | yookoala | And I am using Xfce4 on it |
| 01:54.03 | dvs | c4_: Yes |
| 01:54.17 | M_Cheevy | yookoala: following you so far.. |
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| 01:54.40 | yookoala | but the xwindows cannot fill up the whole screen |
| 01:55.10 | M_Cheevy | yookoala: sounds like you might have to CAREFULLY tweak your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 01:55.11 | c4_ | AAHH! why am i so stupid! damn 2 years downloading and aplying patches that have been included in higer versions |
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| 01:55.25 | yookoala | Instead, it fills only part of the screen (640*480) in the center |
| 01:55.26 | bsims | doesn't say on ssh -v user@localhost or am I missing something |
| 01:55.41 | M_Cheevy | c4: because over the years the kernel has gotten more and more complicated ;) |
| 01:55.45 | devicenull | okay, it looks like ssh auto-starts |
| 01:55.48 | devicenull | by default. |
| 01:56.02 | bsims | I beleve that to be the case |
| 01:56.17 | nimak2 | yookoala, dpgk-reconfigure xserver-x[org|free86] |
| 01:56.32 | yookoala | M_Cheevy, in my Debian (testing), I'm using X.org. What should I look for in X.org config file? |
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| 01:57.32 | shakti | grrr. bloody wireless network.... |
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| 01:57.38 | bucky | yookoala, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set the default resolution |
| 01:58.20 | devicenull | this is going to seem like a stupid question, but how do I exit a programm... I've been using ctrl-z, but that leaves the process running in the background |
| 01:58.34 | dvs | devicenull: Depends on the program |
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| 01:58.49 | nimak2 | devicenull: ctrl-c usually does it |
| 01:58.54 | M_Cheevy | oy.... lovely nickserv |
| 01:59.02 | dvs | nimak: only as a last resort |
| 01:59.03 | devicenull | theres no generic keycombo that kills the program? |
| 01:59.05 | Pedro420 | nvz:nandrew ? |
| 01:59.15 | M_Cheevy | koala: use the command nimak2 gave ya |
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| 01:59.44 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: keycombo to kill which prog? |
| 01:59.57 | devicenull | Im talking generally |
| 02:00.04 | Solet-deb | whats the apt command to view info about a package? |
| 02:00.07 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: nimak2 said it... Ctrl+C |
| 02:00.12 | devicenull | okay, thanks. |
| 02:00.18 | fbi | Solet-deb: apt-cache show foo |
| 02:00.21 | dvs | M_Cheevy: But that improper |
| 02:00.22 | moebius | hi, i'm trying to load a kernel module on boot, i've added the kernel module name and the options i need to /etc/modules, but when I boot the machine, the module is loaded without that options, what can I do? probably "something" is loading the kernel module before the parsing of /etc/modules, what should I check? |
| 02:00.31 | M_Cheevy | and Ctrl+G = Bell.... |
| 02:00.51 | M_Cheevy | dvs: granted, 'kill -9 pid' works better .... |
| 02:00.53 | yookoala | bucky, I am using default resolution when I configured xerver-xorg |
| 02:01.25 | M_Cheevy | yookoala: did you try dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 02:01.34 | yookoala | M_Cheevy, I am turning my machine on. Let me try it now |
| 02:02.25 | Tortel | saved my data |
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| 02:03.05 | M_Cheevy | actually, here's a nagging question I know is coming up.. when using kdm... if you do a console session, how do you bring back up the kdm login screen? |
| 02:03.30 | dvs | M_Cheevy: Alt-F7 |
| 02:03.32 | Tortel | oos |
| 02:03.35 | Tortel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.40 | M_Cheevy | dvs: mucho gracias |
| 02:03.52 | Tortel | well, thats if KDM is off |
| 02:04.04 | dvs | Tortel: yeah, you're right |
| 02:04.10 | M_Cheevy | Tortel: kdm is still active during a console session |
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| 02:04.25 | dvs | M_Cheevy: Ok, so I'm right |
| 02:04.30 | dvs | !beer me |
| 02:04.32 | M_Cheevy | Tortel: I tried that first off ;) |
| 02:04.32 | Tortel | then alt-F7 brings u the dislay manager |
| 02:04.46 | Tortel | gah |
| 02:04.54 | M_Cheevy | dvs: at least you have the taste not to drink american beer ;) |
| 02:04.57 | Tortel | damn button between o and [ |
| 02:05.10 | Tortel | it always haens damnit |
| 02:05.12 | M_Cheevy | Tortel: p?? |
| 02:05.21 | Tortel | yea, whenever I boot that is off |
| 02:05.45 | M_Cheevy | Tortel: okay try this... peter piper picked a peck of pickled peppers ;) |
| 02:05.51 | Tortel | then I have to choose a new layout... |
| 02:05.52 | Tortel | pppp |
| 02:05.55 | Tortel | then it works |
| 02:06.03 | Tortel | annyoing as hell |
| 02:06.07 | M_Cheevy | Tortel: this is in X? |
| 02:06.19 | Tortel | GNOME at least |
| 02:06.33 | M_Cheevy | Tortel: have you looked at your ~/. files? |
| 02:06.43 | Tortel | not really |
| 02:07.11 | M_Cheevy | Tortel: something might have gotten saved in there from a previous session ( ~/.files hold user specific setting rather than global) |
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| 02:07.28 | Gnea | bah, stupid initrd |
| 02:07.29 | Gnea | Using mkinitrd.yaird to build the ramdisk. |
| 02:07.30 | Gnea | yaird error: unknown kernel version: 2.6.14-toshi (fatal) |
| 02:07.35 | guk | would cpio be a good backup solution ... is it able to copy my /dev and such ... cause im having a hard time finding programs for linux which let me image my soft raided partition |
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| 02:07.45 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: isn't yaird still "unreleased"? |
| 02:07.57 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: sid wants it, so i installed it |
| 02:08.24 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: oy, the joys of the bleeding edge |
| 02:08.37 | Gnea | and this whole dependancy upon initrd ia just plain wrong. give me a fucking choice. |
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| 02:09.38 | dli | Gnea, who needs initrd? |
| 02:09.49 | Penix | dli: plenty of people |
| 02:09.50 | Gnea | dli: debian kernel packages |
| 02:10.01 | Gnea | i certainly don't |
| 02:10.11 | dli | Gnea, then, who needs debian kernels? there's vanilla |
| 02:10.13 | dvs | dli: Not I |
| 02:10.32 | Gnea | dli: because i want to generate my own personal .debs without initrd |
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| 02:10.46 | Gnea | i should be able to, that's how the system is supposed to be designed |
| 02:10.55 | Gnea | initrd is great for some cases |
| 02:10.58 | Gnea | but not for all. |
| 02:11.04 | dli | Gnea, right, when it can help, we use it, when it simply causes trouble, we dump it |
| 02:11.12 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: tell me about it.. makes installing a kernel onto a debootstrap install a right bitch.. gave up eventually and built my own damn kernel and initrd |
| 02:11.15 | Gnea | how do i dump it |
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| 02:11.29 | dli | Gnea, make your own kernel without inird |
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| 02:11.41 | Gnea | yes, okay, but how do i tell make-kpkg that? |
| 02:11.45 | dvs | M_Cheevy: Yeah, why did you make an initrd |
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| 02:11.53 | devicenull | hrm |
| 02:11.54 | M_Cheevy | dvs: need it for dmraid |
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| 02:12.05 | dli | Gnea, disable initrd in make menuconfig, and "make-kpkg kernel-image" |
| 02:12.08 | dvs | M_Cheevy: You don't need an initrd |
| 02:12.10 | Gnea | see, he's got a good reason for initrd - i don't |
| 02:12.17 | devicenull | I broke something.. I managed to kill apt-get mid run, and now I cant see what I Type |
| 02:12.25 | Gnea | oh wait |
| 02:12.28 | Gnea | without the --initrd |
| 02:12.29 | bucky | don't use --initrd ? |
| 02:12.31 | Gnea | how stupid of me |
| 02:12.34 | Gnea | thanks |
| 02:12.45 | buu | So. Is there a good way to get oo2 on debian? |
| 02:12.49 | M_Cheevy | dvs: if I'm booting from a /dev/mapper/sil_afbhccbjfeah4 that's created by dmraid I think I do |
| 02:12.50 | dli | Gnea, make sure you built-in (not modules) important drivers, like ide/scsi, filesystems |
| 02:12.55 | Tortel | !test |
| 02:12.56 | dpkg | Yes, tortel, you're still online. |
| 02:12.57 | Tortel | :O |
| 02:12.58 | Tortel | lag |
| 02:13.12 | marty | how can i pipe the output of one command to the input of another? |
| 02:13.14 | Gnea | dli: yeah, i'm quite well versed in the art of kernel compiling - thanks |
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| 02:13.28 | devicenull | this isnt fun |
| 02:13.32 | dli | devicenull, in command line, type "reset" and enter |
| 02:13.33 | marty | using -print0 i think, i am just not figuring out very well |
| 02:13.42 | devicenull | thanks |
| 02:13.43 | M_Cheevy | device: since when was computing supposed to be "fun"? |
| 02:13.47 | devicenull | :P |
| 02:14.42 | M_Cheevy | device: or to paraphrase everyone's mother: who ever said life was supposed to be fair? |
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| 02:15.47 | MrKrrtft | hi folks |
| 02:15.59 | dli | M_Cheevy, life is suffering, death is suffering |
| 02:16.17 | dvs | dli: What about undead? That's great? ;-) |
| 02:16.19 | M_Cheevy | dli: in short, life's a beach and sand gets everywhere ;) |
| 02:17.12 | MrKrrtft | I just installed khangman for my daughter, but I am not seeing it show up in the gnome games menu. Is there a command I need to run to update menus? |
| 02:17.24 | M_Cheevy | dvs: do you know an alternative to creating the dev-mapper nodes in initrd prior to boot for sata fakeraid? |
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| 02:17.30 | dli | dvs: undead is still suffering |
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| 02:17.49 | dvs | M_Cheevy: I don't use initrd at all so no. |
| 02:17.59 | M_Cheevy | especially if you have to listen to Louis for centuries ;) (Interview with the Vampire reference) |
| 02:18.00 | dvs | dli: So there's no way I can win? :-( |
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| 02:18.19 | M_Cheevy | dvs: do you use sata fakeraid as / ? |
| 02:18.21 | karsten | MrKrrtft: Restart your WM? |
| 02:18.38 | dvs | M_Cheevy: I don't use neither SATA nor fakeraid |
| 02:18.43 | dli | dvs: yes, you can meditate and become a budda yourself, stay away from life or death, or initrd in debian |
| 02:19.11 | karsten | Galeon / firefox print problem: I get _really_ big fonts, on partial output, unusable. See http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/galeon-print-bug/hello.html and http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/galeon-print-bug/galeon.ps |
| 02:19.16 | M_Cheevy | dvs: just checking.. sorry dude, but I'm still convinced I need it until I find someone with a working alternative ;) |
| 02:19.23 | dvs | dli: So.. become a buddah or go into a coma? |
| 02:19.26 | karsten | ... printed output matches the PS file. Preview looks reasonably OK. |
| 02:19.34 | devicenull | okay, dumber question.. how do I get out of less :) |
| 02:19.40 | karsten | devicenull: 'q' |
| 02:19.41 | M_Cheevy | "q" |
| 02:19.52 | devicenull | lol, of course its that obvious :P |
| 02:20.00 | M_Cheevy | hey, at least you're using less instead of more ;) |
| 02:20.23 | M_Cheevy | 4x4 owners could take a lesson from that statement ^^^ |
| 02:20.38 | dli | dvs: to become a buddha means to suffer from the beginning, but you simply accept it |
| 02:20.45 | devicenull | I must say.. this is the weiredest apache2 directory I've seen |
| 02:21.04 | M_Cheevy | dli: kind of an oversimplification of the path to enlightenment no? |
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| 02:21.28 | M_Cheevy | dli: also remember, if you meet the buddha on the road, kill him ;) |
| 02:21.59 | dli | M_Cheevy, the source code should be easy to read, and as simple as possible, as far as it works |
| 02:22.27 | M_Cheevy | dli: and all source code should be well commented, but any programmer will tell you, that's usually the last thing they get to.. if they get to it all |
| 02:22.39 | dli | M_Cheevy, there's not such an important buddha for you, your buddha exists only within not without |
| 02:22.44 | devicenull | what the hell is up with the default install of apache2 |
| 02:22.50 | devicenull | its got like stuff all over the place |
| 02:22.57 | M_Cheevy | dli: exactly, the buddha on the road is the fake buddha, for the real buddha is within |
| 02:23.09 | dli | M_Cheevy, but buddha doesn't want to comment, he is quiet inside |
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| 02:23.31 | M_Cheevy | dli: enough theology... this is #debian afterall ;) |
| 02:23.40 | dli | devicenull, try apache 1.3 then :( |
| 02:23.59 | devicenull | dli, I'm just going to wipe the install that was done for me and install it ymself. |
| 02:24.05 | nosklo | devicenull, go read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.etc |
| 02:24.10 | devicenull | I have never seen an apache2 setup like that |
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| 02:24.27 | nosklo | devicenull, i find it much better this way |
| 02:24.34 | dli | nosklo, or just a smaller httpd, not everybody needs apache |
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| 02:24.48 | M_Cheevy | devicenull: are you actually going to run a webserver? if not, just nuke it |
| 02:24.58 | devicenull | yes, I need apache2 for svn |
| 02:25.11 | dli | M_Cheevy, I just wonder whether there's a critical bug in buddha |
| 02:25.25 | nosklo | devicenull, i use it with svn here |
| 02:25.33 | M_Cheevy | dli: seeing as how he's been dead for years, I'd imagine it was a very critical bug |
| 02:25.34 | nosklo | devicenull, no prob with the location of stuff |
| 02:25.38 | yookoala | M_Cheevy and bucky, I reconfigured the xserver-xorg but still the same |
| 02:25.47 | devicenull | i mean.. |
| 02:25.57 | devicenull | was there really a need to create ports.conf for one line of text? |
| 02:26.09 | dli | M_Cheevy, that means he can quit cleanly at request, that's not a bug |
| 02:26.13 | yookoala | where to set the default resolution of xorg? |
| 02:26.18 | M_Cheevy | yookoala: okay, sounds like you need to read up on your video card and it's support in XOrg. Then, check out the documentation on the Xorg Config file... |
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| 02:26.34 | dli | yookoala, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:26.37 | nosklo | devicenull, you may need to put more stuff in there |
| 02:26.39 | M_Cheevy | yookoala: it's usually in the displays section if memory serves |
| 02:26.46 | M_Cheevy | dli: He did that... same result |
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| 02:26.48 | nosklo | devicenull, my ports.conf has 5 lines |
| 02:26.51 | gravity | yookoala: What's wrong with your Xorg? |
| 02:27.06 | nosklo | devicenull, and i have a simple configuration |
| 02:27.13 | aaronlin | Hi all; I have Debian 3.1 (if I recall correctly). I am using Blackbox window manager. Recently, I've wanted to upgrade my firefox from version 1.0 (which I installed with apt-get) to version 1.5. I downloaded the binary from the firefox website. How do I get Debian to recognize this application so that when I right click on the desktop and look under applications, it will be filed under net? |
| 02:27.23 | aaronlin | Do I need to configure this manually or should Debian automatically detect it? |
| 02:27.36 | dli | yookoala, xrandr to see available choices |
| 02:27.37 | yookoala | M_Cheevy, thanks |
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| 02:27.39 | dondelelcaro | aaronlin: better to use a backport of firefox to stable instead. |
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| 02:27.56 | M_Cheevy | aaronlin: best to use the .deb package for the install to get all those options set |
| 02:28.02 | nosklo | aaronlin, if you install stuff from outside debian packaging system, you are on your own |
| 02:28.11 | marty | how can i pipe the output of one command to the input of another? |
| 02:28.16 | Phated | | |
| 02:28.20 | M_Cheevy | yookoala: it's the way we had to do it before all the auto detects.... btw, you on a laptop? |
| 02:28.30 | nosklo | marty, use the pipe character | |
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| 02:28.38 | marty | are there any more specific hints? |
| 02:28.47 | aaronlin | the new firefox works very well; with version 1.0, I had difficulty printing web pages. 1.5 has no problem, so I would really like to keep it, but I don't want to have to open the terminal to launch it every time. |
| 02:28.51 | dli | aaronlin, wait unless firefox-1.5 in testing :) |
| 02:28.52 | yookoala | M_Cheevy, I am on a Laptop |
| 02:29.06 | aaronlin | how would I change apt-get to accept the unstable packages? |
| 02:29.12 | nosklo | marty, it cant be more simple, command1 | command2 |
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| 02:29.23 | marty | ok |
| 02:29.25 | marty | thanks |
| 02:29.34 | dli | aaronlin, if you are asking, you should NOT use unstable |
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| 02:29.41 | M_Cheevy | yookoala: ah! that's probably the issue.... you are definately going to have to read up on that. Laptop monitors are a little different... Do a search on XOrg and Laptop and your Model of Laptop |
| 02:29.50 | optish | what's the trick to getting firestarter to recognize dnsmasq with connection sharing...i can get dhcp request to work if i turn off firestarter and leave dnsmasq running |
| 02:30.18 | gravity | M_Cheevy: What's his problem with Xorg? |
| 02:30.37 | dli | gravity, resolution modes |
| 02:30.51 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 02:30.52 | bucky | aaronlin, http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxDocumentation/BlackboxMenus chapter 2.6.3 exec |
| 02:30.53 | gravity | ouch |
| 02:30.57 | M_Cheevy | gravity: no matter how many times he reconfigures, his display comes up at 800x600 centred on the screen |
| 02:30.58 | gravity | I hate dealing with those |
| 02:30.59 | aaronlin | bucky: ok, thanks |
| 02:31.00 | yookoala | dli, xrandr gives me many things. What should I look for? |
| 02:31.21 | dli | yookoala, it shows available display modes for you |
| 02:31.25 | yookoala | M_Cheevy, search on that |
| 02:31.26 | quiet | wtf.... i just installed initramfs-tools and kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:31.53 | quiet | it all finished... but after reboot the new kernel fails at "ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 02:32.01 | quiet | but... it just booted off of hda2.... |
| 02:32.08 | M_Cheevy | yookoala: let me guess... Aussie.. always trying to get us kiwi's to do your work for ya ;) |
| 02:32.15 | bucky | yookoala, did you use the lcd checkbox when you dpkg-reconfigured ? |
| 02:32.28 | nimak2 | how unstable is unstable? |
| 02:32.38 | bucky | very unstable |
| 02:32.47 | M_Cheevy | god they have made it easier than when I tried it.. a bloody lcd tick box... sheesh! |
| 02:32.57 | karsten | !tell nimak2 about unstable |
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| 02:33.24 | bucky | yookoala, read thru the dialog boxes and use the scroll bars to see all the options |
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| 02:33.59 | bucky | yookoala, and define your video ram in Kb's |
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| 02:34.10 | aaronlin | bucky: Ah, thanks a lot. The menu file is in ~/.blackbox |
| 02:34.17 | loopdee | howto setup that mount thing in gnome, when put in a cd or cf card to show an icon on the desktop? |
| 02:34.36 | peterS | loopdee: I think it's just a matter of installing gnome-volume-manager. could be wrong. |
| 02:34.44 | bucky | apt-get automount ? |
| 02:34.45 | smacnay | I am trying one of the Debianised kernels (kernel-2.4.27-2-k7) and am wondering how to alter some of the default modules used? Specifically the mouse driver (doesn't work (gmpm)) and rtc? |
| 02:34.58 | smacnay | Is there a doc on how these initrd kernels work? |
| 02:35.09 | gaasfet | why not use 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:35.12 | dvs | loopdee: gnome-volume-manager hal and pmount |
| 02:35.13 | quiet | do I have to do anything after "apt-get install initramfs-tools kernel-image-2.6-686" ??? |
| 02:35.27 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: having same problem. no matter what, you'll have to make sure you have /etc/fstab set up with the mount points and the "noauto" option (as they rarely have anything at them at boot) |
| 02:35.28 | peterS | smacnay: you can install or remove modules with 'modconf', or by running commands manually |
| 02:35.29 | aaronlin | weird |
| 02:35.32 | loopdee | already installed... |
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| 02:35.37 | aaronlin | I don't have a .blackbox directory |
| 02:35.43 | aaronlin | where else could blackbox config be located? |
| 02:35.46 | loopdee | hmmm |
| 02:36.15 | bucky | quiet, apt-cache search linux-image or kernel-image and get the right one |
| 02:36.19 | smacnay | peterS: thanks I will look at modconf |
| 02:36.40 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: okay |
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| 02:37.00 | karsten | smacnay: http://www.almesberger.net/cv/papers/ols2k-9.ps.gz |
| 02:37.17 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: I did a quick search on that issue last night and found some good examples |
| 02:37.19 | karsten | smacnay: ... or /usr/src/<kernel-source>/Documentation/initrd.txt |
| 02:37.24 | quiet | bucky, yes... i did.. i installed kernel-image-2.6-686..... |
| 02:37.39 | quiet | but the new entry in grub won't boot |
| 02:37.44 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: I'd be more specific but I was up until 0230 and some of the night's a tad hazy |
| 02:37.52 | loopdee | lol |
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| 02:38.01 | karsten | smacnay: ... they're cramfs images, compressed, for Debian. |
| 02:38.13 | loopdee | I've been trying to get 100% my hardware working without any quirks... only got like maybe 10% left to go |
| 02:38.19 | loopdee | for the past 2 weeks |
| 02:38.20 | loopdee | lol |
| 02:38.31 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: luckily I spaced the appt at the dentist and showed up an hour late.. so root canal postponed till after the hols |
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| 02:38.45 | loopdee | :) |
| 02:39.37 | devicenull | oh.. thats nice |
| 02:39.46 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: same boat here... just a few niggling little problems left.. like aligning dualview monitors of differing sizes using offsets in XF86Config... getting udev to quit wiping out my /dev/mapper stuff... and seeing if I have a hope in hell of getting my sony camera and photo printer working |
| 02:39.47 | devicenull | ipchains: Incompatible with this kernel |
| 02:39.49 | loopdee | it worked before i installed my usb printer/scanner |
| 02:39.52 | devicenull | yet it was apparently installed by default |
| 02:40.21 | loopdee | i couldnt get cups to install my printer, but printcof did it no prob |
| 02:40.24 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: wonder if it has something to do with hotplug? |
| 02:40.32 | aaronlin | where is the blackbox configuration folder located? I cannot find mine...it is not located in ~/.blackbox |
| 02:40.41 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: I am thinking hotplug and usb are wierd |
| 02:40.47 | loopdee | at least for me |
| 02:40.57 | bucky | aaronlin, ls -a |
| 02:40.58 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: wish mine could be so easily solved but that damn sony printer has been a pain in every OS |
| 02:41.02 | nix | M_Cheevy: i discovered what my problem was transitioning from 2.4 raid to 2.6 raid |
| 02:41.16 | M_Cheevy | nix: cool, what was it? |
| 02:41.18 | aaronlin | bucky: the closest file I have found is .blackboxrc |
| 02:41.53 | aaronlin | could it be located in ~/.fluxbox |
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| 02:41.59 | M_Cheevy | nix: the death of /devfs? |
| 02:42.04 | nix | M_Cheevy: it turned out that drives have a so called Host Protected Area, a reserved space. on 2.4, my kernel would assign 120000MB as drive capacity while the disks are 120034 natively. that last 34 MB was cut off due to Host Protected Area code in 2.4 which does this by default. |
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| 02:42.31 | bucky | aaronlin, /etc/menu-methods/blackbox ? |
| 02:42.32 | nix | M_Cheevy: in 2.6, this did not apply, and thus the disk was seen by the os as 120034MB, which ment that it could not find the superblock for it resides in the very last part of the disk |
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| 02:42.49 | M_Cheevy | nix: gotcha... |
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| 02:43.05 | dli | nix, by os or by bios? |
| 02:43.20 | JRtheGoob | I am trying to boot a debian kernel without initrd for the first time in debian but it locks up when loading ata1 during boot. is there something i'm missing..? I built almost everything in |
| 02:43.22 | M_Cheevy | nix: having not run 2.4 with the sata raid I was kinda shooting in the dark |
| 02:43.29 | shama | anybody know what the difference between the firefox and mozilla-firefox packages is? |
| 02:43.34 | aaronlin | bucky: Hey thanks, I think that is it! |
| 02:43.35 | nix | M_Cheevy: however, patching 2.6 kernel to disable HPA (e.g. changing the kernel so that it doesn't set the disks to full native 120034 capacity, but to HPA capacity of 120000) resulted in kernel panics when starting the raid5 |
| 02:43.37 | JRtheGoob | wow that was a bad question |
| 02:43.43 | gravity | shama: Read their descriptions to find out :-) |
| 02:43.53 | M_Cheevy | nix: not 100% surprised by that |
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| 02:43.55 | JRtheGoob | I am trying to boot a new kernel without initrd for the first time in debian but it locks up when loading ata1 during boot. is there something i'm missing..? I built almost everything in |
| 02:44.07 | JRtheGoob | thats better |
| 02:44.08 | nix | which struck me as odd since the determination of disk capacity is in ide-disk.c which tells the rest of the kernel what the amount of usable sectors is |
| 02:44.10 | shama | gravity: uhh, they're identical |
| 02:44.36 | nix | so when ide-disk.c defines an ide device's max capacity, that shouldn't cause segfaults for other parts in the kernel. |
| 02:44.52 | M_Cheevy | nix: you're a braver man than I Gunga Din if you're willing to edit kernel .c files... |
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| 02:45.01 | nix | but i guess its too much voodoo and i should actually be reinitializing the entire raid |
| 02:45.04 | bucky | shama, apt-cache show mozilla-firefox |
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| 02:45.22 | M_Cheevy | nix: look into dmraid as a solution... it should detect and recognise those superblocks |
| 02:45.23 | nix | oh well the HPA is simple code. there was a reference by someone else on kernel mailinglist which pointed me to the problem |
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| 02:45.27 | gravity | shama: It looks to me like the mozilla-firefox package is being renamed as just firefox. The mozilla-firefox package is very likely a metapackage that depends on firefox |
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| 02:45.43 | shama | bucky: yes, I know how to find the description |
| 02:45.58 | bucky | shama, Firefox is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component, This browser was previously known as Firebird and Phoenix |
| 02:46.00 | nix | M_Cheevy: well its sarge, and i dont want to make it a testing box. tried backporting from testing but too much underlying dependencies |
| 02:46.02 | shama | gravity: they're actually conflicting packages |
| 02:46.05 | gravity | Although it looks like they did some crappy stuff with the name |
| 02:46.10 | M_Cheevy | nix: there is a 70mb Gentoo livecd with dmraid built in.. give it a shot, if it sees your partitions, get back to me and I'll tell you the steps from there |
| 02:46.24 | gravity | shama: Hrm. I don't know then, in all honesty. That's usually the sort of thing that the package description will tell you... |
| 02:46.46 | loopdee | i think i need to make /proc/bus/usb a+rw |
| 02:46.47 | shama | gravity: yeah, I'm puzzled a bit, which is why I came on here ;) |
| 02:46.51 | M_Cheevy | nix: here's the link: http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ |
| 02:46.55 | nix | dli: i never understood why the kernel seems to detect a HPA. its an asus a7m266 board, not like a packard hell or compaq or something which would reserve space on disks for HPA reinstall |
| 02:47.18 | smacnay | no matter what mouse module I install, gpm doesn't function. Oh well. Seems rtc is working properly. |
| 02:47.19 | shama | gravity: it *looks* like version 1.5 is 'firefox', while version 1.0 is 'mozilla-firefox' |
| 02:47.25 | devicenull | so, does anyone know how to install the stuff such as svn, svnadmin? |
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| 02:47.32 | shama | gravity: I couldn't find a reason why there were separate packages, though |
| 02:47.33 | gravity | shama: It's weird. There's mozilla-firefox 1.4whatever isn't in unstable on my system. Only firefox is. |
| 02:47.36 | orchid | shama: firefox is "deer park" 1.5 |
| 02:47.36 | peterS | devicenull: aptitude install subversion |
| 02:47.47 | devicenull | ah |
| 02:47.51 | gravity | shama: So I think they're renaming the package for unstable. |
| 02:47.55 | devicenull | I couldnt find it in the package list with svn |
| 02:47.56 | belracu | Can I use Raid -1 after I install Linux |
| 02:48.00 | gravity | And maybe just doing it really poorly |
| 02:48.01 | orchid | shama: the descriptions are identical, the versions are not in apt-cache show |
| 02:48.04 | gravity | Either that or they fucked up :-) |
| 02:48.05 | peterS | devicenull: heh, indeed |
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| 02:48.14 | nix | M_Cheevy: interesting, thanks. ill try that to test whether it's worth the efforts |
| 02:48.15 | M_Cheevy | belracu: software raid? |
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| 02:48.21 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991 |
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| 02:48.23 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE |
| 02:48.23 | unhhbcd | Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991 |
| 02:48.26 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: |
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| 02:48.27 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE |
| 02:48.27 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991 |
| 02:48.27 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: |
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| 02:48.27 | uinnnnnce | Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE |
| 02:48.27 | M_Cheevy | nix: it's only 70mb ;) |
| 02:48.27 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 02:48.27 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.27 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991 |
| 02:48.28 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
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| 02:48.28 | jdnncnncnc | Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE |
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| 02:48.29 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA |
| 02:48.29 | devicenull | ? |
| 02:48.29 | belracu | i meen can i Configure software Raid-1 after i install Linux |
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| 02:48.29 | uinnnnnce | Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991 |
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| 02:48.30 | peterS | !ops flood |
| 02:48.30 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.30 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA |
| 02:48.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: flood |
| 02:48.31 | unhhbcd | Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 02:48.31 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies |
| 02:48.31 | jdnncnncnc | Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991 |
| 02:48.32 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 02:48.32 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies |
| 02:48.32 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 02:48.33 | unhhbcd | Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA |
| 02:48.34 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. |
| 02:48.34 | jdnncnncnc | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.35 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA |
| 02:48.36 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. |
| 02:48.36 | unhhbcd | Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies |
| 02:48.36 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA |
| 02:48.37 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.37 | jdnncnncnc | Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 02:48.37 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies |
| 02:48.37 | loopdee | omg |
| 02:48.37 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies |
| 02:48.38 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.38 | belracu | M_Cheevy, yes software raid |
| 02:48.38 | unhhbcd | Sollog predicted: of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. |
| 02:48.39 | Phated | Go go gravity! |
| 02:48.39 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: Preamble |
| 02:48.39 | jdnncnncnc | Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA |
| 02:48.39 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. |
| 02:48.40 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. |
| 02:48.40 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: Preamble |
| 02:48.41 | unhhbcd | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.41 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.42 | Oops2006 | hell f/all |
| 02:48.42 | jdnncnncnc | Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies |
| 02:48.42 | *** mode/#Debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.42 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@datavibe.net] by gravity |
| 02:48.42 | *** mode/#Debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 02:48.43 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.43 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.43 | *** part/#debian jdnncnncnc (n=xnxcnseh@datavibe.net) |
| 02:48.43 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:48.43 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.43 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.43 | unhhbcd | Sollog predicted: Preamble |
| 02:48.43 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: The licenses for most software are designed to take away your |
| 02:48.44 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: Preamble |
| 02:48.45 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: Preamble |
| 02:48.46 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: The licenses for most software are designed to take away your |
| 02:48.46 | unhhbcd | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.46 | *** mode/#Debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.46 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@jax.metawire.org] by gravity |
| 02:48.46 | *** mode/#Debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 02:48.46 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: freedom to share and change it. By contrast, the GNU General Public |
| 02:48.47 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.48 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: |
| 02:48.48 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.48 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: freedom to share and change it. By contrast, the GNU General Public |
| 02:48.49 | cuendyhe | Sollog predicted: License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free |
| 02:48.50 | mnmnwudu | Sollog predicted: The licenses for most software are designed to take away your |
| 02:48.50 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@oberon.reed.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:48.50 | *** part/#debian cuendyhe (n=sujenrc@oberon.reed.edu) |
| 02:48.50 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: The licenses for most software are designed to take away your |
| 02:48.50 | peterS | Phated: nobody can hear you scream |
| 02:48.51 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free |
| 02:48.52 | *** mode/#Debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.52 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@apex.metawire.org] by gravity |
| 02:48.52 | *** mode/#Debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 02:48.53 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: freedom to share and change it. By contrast, the GNU General Public |
| 02:48.54 | *** part/#debian mnmnwudu (i=ery@apex.metawire.org) |
| 02:48.54 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: software--to make sure the software is free for all its users. This |
| 02:48.55 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free |
| 02:48.57 | Phated | peterS: You did! :D |
| 02:48.58 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: General Public License applies to most of the Free Software |
| 02:48.59 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: software--to make sure the software is free for all its users. This |
| 02:49.00 | M_Cheevy | shit, channel take over attempt |
| 02:49.00 | muehdhfh | Sollog predicted: Foundation's software and to any other program whose authors commit to |
| 02:49.00 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@montalban.reed.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:49.00 | *** part/#debian muehdhfh (n=abxuend@montalban.reed.edu) |
| 02:49.02 | nmcncncyueh | Sollog predicted: General Public License applies to most of the Free Software |
| 02:49.04 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@oublinet.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:49.05 | *** part/#debian nmcncncyueh (i=ur@oublinet.net) |
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| 02:49.07 | gravity | ffs |
| 02:49.08 | shama | orchid: right, I noticed the version mismatch, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any other gotchas |
| 02:49.15 | devicenull | that was interesting. |
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| 02:49.16 | yookoala | dli, xrandr only shows one option (640 x 480) |
| 02:49.16 | loopdee | them bastages |
| 02:49.16 | Phated | !beer gravity and dondelelcaro |
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| 02:49.17 | dondelelcaro | if anyone was banned worngly, /msg me. |
| 02:49.18 | peterS | Phated: that was your imagination |
| 02:49.22 | Phated | peterS: Was not. |
| 02:49.31 | peterS | thanks, gravity, dondelelcaro |
| 02:49.34 | M_Cheevy | bozo was at Reed??? I'd expect better of that school! |
| 02:49.44 | dli | yookoala, I think you are not using the correct video driver |
| 02:49.46 | yookoala | bucky, lcd check box? I haven't seen it. Try it again |
| 02:49.58 | M_Cheevy | who had the software raid 1 issue, nick beginning with "B"? |
| 02:50.06 | dli | yookoala, read /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:50.29 | smacnay | with a 2.4.27-2 debian kernel and additional alsa modules matching that kernel, why does depmod produce unresolved symbols errors for two alsa modules? |
| 02:50.39 | orchid | shama: your plugins may or may not work, java, mplayer whatever, if you install firefox, you might need to reconfigure the plugin packages if you use those |
| 02:50.42 | M_Cheevy | dli: he's on a laptop if that helps |
| 02:50.59 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:51.01 | *** part/#debian tehdely (n=delysiid@home.teambarry.org) |
| 02:51.03 | M_Cheevy | Belracu: you still with us? |
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| 02:51.15 | belracu | yes M_Cheevy |
| 02:51.25 | M_Cheevy | belracu: you need to check out this: http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ |
| 02:51.40 | belracu | M_Cheevy, my doubt is can i configure two HDD to mirror Software raid-1 |
| 02:51.48 | dli | M_Cheevy, ask him to poste Xorg.0.log, it might be obivious in the log |
| 02:51.49 | M_Cheevy | belracu: it's for gentoo but the stuff works under debian |
| 02:51.57 | quiet | so, someone please correct me if I am wrong... I should be able to apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 and it should boot right up right?? provifing I al;ready have yaird and initramfs-tools installed.. |
| 02:52.08 | M_Cheevy | dli: I'm out of this one... been 10yrs since I tried to get X on a laptop |
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| 02:52.22 | quiet | providing I already* |
| 02:52.23 | belracu | cool i am not sure which Linux Distro i need to try that .... but as i use Debian i am here :P |
| 02:52.30 | peterS | quiet: that's how it's supposed to work. there've been multiple reports of 2.6.14 being broken at present |
| 02:52.33 | dli | quiet, right |
| 02:52.50 | M_Cheevy | belracu: just got debian sarge setup on a software raid0 array with Win2k, WinXP, and Win2003 SBS |
| 02:52.57 | quiet | peterS, hrm... okay... i just have hda2 as / and reiserfs... |
| 02:53.09 | quiet | when it boots it drops to a shell and says that there is no hda2... |
| 02:53.16 | quiet | but that's what it just booted from.. |
| 02:53.18 | belracu | Cool |
| 02:53.20 | M_Cheevy | belracu: it wasn't easy, admittedly but it is up and stable |
| 02:53.43 | belracu | Yes I agree it sounds easy but more i think more questions i get :P |
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| 02:53.58 | M_Cheevy | belracu: one thing the docs don't help on, is getting it work without Gnome as gnome needs udev |
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| 02:54.20 | M_Cheevy | belracu: and udev is the one few thorns left in my install |
| 02:54.24 | belracu | May be i need to setup at a clients place where they are using CentOS |
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| 02:55.17 | belracu | Let me read more on it ... thanks for the Help :-) I love Debian ... then my gf :P |
| 02:55.27 | M_Cheevy | belracu: not familiar with that one... really, trick is find a livecd that will recognise your existing partitions and allow you create new ones. then do a debootstrap install, then build your kernel, create the initrd, reboot and start installing packages |
| 02:55.43 | M_Cheevy | Belracu: g/f first, linux next.. otherwise no g/f anymore |
| 02:55.58 | agrathwohl | Hi guys. Does anybody know how to get CUPS to find the device URL of my printer to change it from its current path, which is "parallel:/dev/unknown-parallel0" ??? |
| 02:55.59 | peterS | M_Cheevy: you figure linux is more patient? |
| 02:56.00 | belracu | yeps she is right here :) yeps |
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| 02:56.15 | M_Cheevy | peterS: yeap.... and linux don't give bj's ;) |
| 02:56.27 | dvs | Agrathowohl: It's usually http://localhost:631/ |
| 02:56.38 | agrathwohl | dvs: Well, I'm there and that's the address it's giving. |
| 02:56.50 | agrathwohl | I don't know quite why. |
| 02:56.50 | belracu | hehe true true ...but u can get one when using it :P |
| 02:56.50 | dli | M_Cheevy, but you can apt-get install wine sex |
| 02:56.51 | quiet | okay.. when it tries to install the kernel-image-2.6-686 it gives me the box that says it has bene unable to find a suitable tool for generating initrd images.... but I have both yaird and initramfs-tools installed... |
| 02:56.56 | quiet | any reason that could be?? |
| 02:56.57 | M_Cheevy | belracu: only if the desk is high enough |
| 02:57.00 | agrathwohl | dvs: It says the device URL is unknown-parallel0 |
| 02:57.02 | belracu | wine is emulator ... man in middle :D |
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| 02:57.08 | M_Cheevy | dli: dare I ask? |
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| 02:57.37 | M_Cheevy | wine I know, but "sex" is there really such a package? |
| 02:57.41 | gravity | yep |
| 02:57.43 | belracu | dont worry i work in Taiwan ... so land of shorts ... small desk will do |
| 02:57.44 | dvs | yes |
| 02:57.44 | dli | M_Cheevy, but most debian freaks enjoy wine, and just stop before sex |
| 02:57.47 | M_Cheevy | oy gevalt |
| 02:57.55 | dvs | M_Cheevy: It's an editor |
| 02:58.06 | gravity | "simple editor for x" |
| 02:58.07 | M_Cheevy | gevalt ist mir |
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| 02:59.05 | M_Cheevy | actually, here's a quick question, when you debootstrap, "editor" uses a curses based editor much friendlier than vi/vim/elvis.. what the hell was it? |
| 02:59.18 | gravity | pico |
| 02:59.24 | Phated | :O Not nano? |
| 02:59.30 | peterS | he means nano |
| 02:59.31 | belracu | thanks for the help ... be back later |
| 02:59.33 | M_Cheevy | thought it looked familiar... just got to recreate that alias |
| 02:59.34 | Phated | whew. |
| 03:00.06 | M_Cheevy | pico as in pine or nano as in .... buggered if I know? |
| 03:00.27 | peterS | M_Cheevy: pico is from pine, nano is an independent reimplementation whose name reflects its similar purpose |
| 03:00.38 | peterS | M_Cheevy: (pico and nano are both SI prefixes) |
| 03:00.48 | orchid | pico is symlinked to nano I think |
| 03:00.50 | M_Cheevy | peterS: cool... will check for both then just change the editor alias |
| 03:01.12 | Boukensya | hey guys. I am looking into setting up an X server on my server that I can connect to and use as a workstation |
| 03:01.15 | *** part/#debian belracu (n=getram@61-31-22-29.static.tfn.net.tw) |
| 03:01.19 | peterS | M_Cheevy: nano surpassed pico in functionality years ago, IIRC. and it is free software, as a side benefit, so debian can ship it |
| 03:01.22 | amd_goon_ | joe will emulate nano/pico too: jpico |
| 03:01.37 | Boukensya | Just wondering where to start? |
| 03:01.44 | M_Cheevy | peterS: so I cut my teeth on Slakware 1... too many packages over the years to keep track of ;) |
| 03:01.52 | peterS | M_Cheevy: heh |
| 03:01.57 | gravity | Boukensya: Google for Remote X. It's very easy. You set up sshd on your server and install whatever apps you want to run on it. |
| 03:02.05 | M_Cheevy | peterS: used to be the whole install fit on a couple of floppies |
| 03:02.14 | gravity | Boukensya: Then you simply configure sshd to allow X forwarding, and log in using ssh -X |
| 03:02.25 | peterS | M_Cheevy: I don't remember 'couple of floppies', I remember a stack of like 30 slackware floppies |
| 03:02.25 | Lilldude10 | dsl was 50 i think |
| 03:02.39 | Boukensya | cool, ssh is all installed, so it is an ssh function? |
| 03:02.48 | M_Cheevy | peterS: slackware 1 was about 10 or 20 floppies |
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| 03:02.51 | peterS | oh ok |
| 03:03.07 | peterS | I didn't try slack until like 1996 or 1997 |
| 03:03.13 | smacnay | does the Debian 2.4.27-2-k7 kernel support native ATAPI cd burning etc? |
| 03:03.17 | M_Cheevy | peterS: back then it was assumed you'd d/l most of your tarballs and compile and install yourself |
| 03:03.22 | peterS | yeah |
| 03:03.29 | gravity | Boukensya: Sorta. ssh makes it easy. |
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| 03:03.36 | gravity | And relatively secure |
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| 03:03.54 | Boukensya | gravity, does putty support that? |
| 03:04.03 | peterS | smacnay: pretty sure it does, but it may or may not be recommended. it was considered experimental in earlier 2.4.2x kernels, I recall |
| 03:04.10 | mage | would bootmisc.sh be a good place to invoke a firewall script? |
| 03:04.14 | gravity | Boukensya: I think so |
| 03:04.27 | gravity | I've never used putty though, but I've heard that it does |
| 03:04.28 | Boukensya | gravity, cool sounds like a fun project to me |
| 03:04.41 | mage | oooo I use putty all the time |
| 03:04.54 | smacnay | peterS: I have been making my own kernels for years but thought I might try the .deb kernels to see how differently the work on my machine (what modules load and how things are supported). |
| 03:05.01 | quiet | grr... aptitude upgrade also says "Failed to find ramdisk generation tool".. |
| 03:05.02 | quiet | :( |
| 03:05.27 | peterS | smacnay: in my opinion the debian kernel team over the past year and a half has been really good. I didn't used to bother with debian kernels, nowadays I don't bother building my own |
| 03:05.45 | litage | should one install a 386 or 686 kernel on a p4 3ghz? |
| 03:05.53 | ludi | 686-smp |
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| 03:05.58 | M_Cheevy | litage: 686 |
| 03:06.02 | ludi | if you have hyper-threading enable |
| 03:06.08 | ludi | otherwise just 686 (without the smp) |
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| 03:06.20 | Gnea | smacnay: native ATAPI didn't start until 2.6, it's all a scsi layer in 2.4 |
| 03:06.25 | litage | thanks guys |
| 03:06.35 | smacnay | peterS: I wil now try the equivalent to the last (most current) kernel I have built (2.6.8) in the Debian .deb kernel. |
| 03:06.55 | smacnay | Gnea: I seemed to recall that - thanks. That is why I asked. |
| 03:07.13 | smacnay | Be right back... |
| 03:07.38 | sineer | anyone know why my galeon 2.0 crash all the time on sid amd64? |
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| 03:08.10 | Gnea | sineer: cuz it's sid, on an amd64 |
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| 03:08.33 | sineer | Gnea, ok sure.. I'm not whining that much either, first time I ask. but its the only thing that's not stable... |
| 03:08.59 | Gnea | sineer: ask a vague question, get a vague answer - have you tried #debian-amd64? |
| 03:09.07 | bucky | sineer, consider yourself lucky because you are running unstable |
| 03:09.08 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 03:09.08 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:09.15 | sineer | no, didn't know there was such a channel... I'll try that |
| 03:09.22 | M_Cheevy | bucky: my thoughts exactly |
| 03:09.36 | sineer | bucky, I know I know!! Im not bitching either :) Just trying to find a solution to my galeon related problem... |
| 03:09.46 | beoba | today's school newspaper: http://beoba.net/stuff/found/m4m_stds.jpg |
| 03:10.22 | sineer | and its GREAT that everything else run well! Seriously!! Kudos to the debian package maintainers and team for sure. |
| 03:10.30 | litage | is there much difference [in performance] between using an i386 and i686 kernel on a P4? |
| 03:10.31 | Skrot | Is there a program to see the data transfer on a network for processes? E.g I want to check how many kb/s irssi uses etc |
| 03:10.38 | Gnea | beoba: thank you not for that highly off-topic and retarded url. |
| 03:10.51 | beoba | Gnea: no problem my good sir |
| 03:11.04 | Gnea | ah, gotta love illiteracy |
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| 03:11.11 | litage | Skrot: netstat will show you how much is currently being transferred. ntop will log stats and produce pretty graphs |
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| 03:11.31 | litage | Skrot: then there's also iptraf |
| 03:11.54 | amd_goon_ | wmnet or wmnd for windowmaker |
| 03:11.59 | Skrot | okay, I'll check them out. I only want to know if, and how much, data is currently beeing transfered |
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| 03:12.27 | M_Cheevy | bbiab... off to play with my XF86Config-4 to optimise it for nvidia |
| 03:13.02 | quiet | holy crap... this is just absolute madness... i have been using debian on and off for like 2 years.. and i've never had trouble like this upgrading to unstable.. |
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| 03:13.48 | lakcaj_ | Hi. I'm sure I'm the 100th person to ask, but "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776"? |
| 03:13.50 | dli | quiet: "unstable" |
| 03:13.56 | Ronin | upgrading to unstable? |
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| 03:14.32 | TNKS | Hi. I'm just now setting up an .Xdefaults in my home directory. |
| 03:14.37 | mage | lakcaj_: wow thats an odd error message |
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| 03:14.49 | quiet | dli, yes.. but i still don't get why it keeps saying it can't find ramdisk generation tools.. |
| 03:14.54 | lakcaj_ | My friend called me, told me his network was down and he was getting that error. I was thinking, "Oh yeah, what have you done now." No sooner had I hung up the phone, that I realize I'm getting the exact same error and I have no network (dhcp) |
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| 03:15.00 | britt | anybody know where I can find faad2 debs? |
| 03:15.20 | mage | do you guys use the same isp? |
| 03:15.28 | TNKS | I put an "xrdb -merge $HOME/.Xdefaults" in my .Xsession, right before executing my WM, but the defaults aren't taking. |
| 03:15.35 | Gnea | lakcaj_: heh nice |
| 03:15.39 | lakcaj_ | No, he's in another city, using broadband wireless, and I have dsl |
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| 03:15.57 | Gnea | ... |
| 03:16.03 | bondo | Is there anybody that can help me with Cedega\64bitubuntu and 32bitchroot? |
| 03:16.13 | mage | sit0 is apparently a IPv6 to IPv4 tunnel |
| 03:16.15 | lakcaj_ | These are both up to date Sarge machines |
| 03:16.16 | mage | but I know nothing myself |
| 03:16.19 | bucky | bondo, try #ubuntu |
| 03:16.21 | Gnea | !tell bondo about ask |
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| 03:16.35 | Gnea | oh wow |
| 03:16.41 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: hey |
| 03:16.53 | lakcaj_ | Well, something in a recent upgrade has caused this, because the machine I'm on now hasn't been updated in a while, and is the only reason I still have an ethernet connection. |
| 03:17.02 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: hey. |
| 03:17.08 | gravity | bondo: chroots for amd64 are documented on the Debian AMD64 page if you google it. You can extend that to ubuntu if you like. |
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| 03:17.26 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: how goes it? |
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| 03:17.49 | nevyn | is a 32 bitch root some sort of orgy? |
| 03:17.53 | jlmb | Need help removing data/ partitions on hard drive. It's not possible to remove any of them. Please see this link for full explanation: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HJXTUQ93.html |
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| 03:18.08 | sgeigerbot | While I just added what seems to be a proper entry in /etc/hosts ("192.168.1.2 foobar") resolving this name with host isn't working. 'grep "hosts:" /etc/nsswitch.conf' gives me this: 'hosts: files dns' Why isn't /etc/hosts being consulted? |
| 03:18.13 | smacnay | peterS: Well, the 2.6.8 .deb kernel seems to work - now to test the scsi driver that was buggy in the vanilla kernel. |
| 03:18.14 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: not bad. How are you? |
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| 03:18.29 | lakcaj_ | so nobody else is experiencing this issue? I can't believe that my buddy and I are the only two debian users to spontaneously lose our ethernet connections at the same time |
| 03:18.35 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 03:18.36 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 03:18.47 | peterS | long time no lambda symbol |
| 03:18.57 | sgeigerbot | peterS: exactly. |
| 03:19.04 | nix | jlbm: possibly the disk is on read only? is it possible to get info with hdparm? |
| 03:19.14 | jlmb | lakcaj_: the device disappeared? |
| 03:19.26 | jlmb | lakcaj_: wireless? wpa? |
| 03:19.27 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Don't I know you from somewhere? |
| 03:19.36 | bondo | gravity: yea, I did all that it works great except when i try to run a game in cedega it just presents a black screen |
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| 03:20.03 | gravity | bondo: Ouch. I don't know how well cedega works in that context. You should really google for that one, or check a cedega-specific forum. |
| 03:20.04 | bondo | I just thought someone might ahve been successful in this channel |
| 03:20.04 | lakcaj_ | jlmb, I'm just using an ethernet card, as is he. |
| 03:20.27 | jlmb | lakcaj_: the device is gone? what about the module? |
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| 03:20.36 | jlmb | lakcaj_: is it loaded? |
| 03:20.41 | jlmb | lakcaj_: which module? |
| 03:20.45 | bondo | gravity: yeah I have been all over the forums and pretty much they just say they got it to work... nothing specific |
| 03:20.54 | lakcaj_ | jlmb, one sec, have to go to the other machine |
| 03:21.03 | bucky | bondo http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Ubuntu |
| 03:21.05 | lakcaj_ | jlmb, for sit0? |
| 03:21.17 | lakcaj_ | jlmb, I don't have any wireless cards in my machine at all. |
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| 03:21.33 | lakcaj_ | things have been humming along quite nicely for months - this is completely out of left field |
| 03:21.43 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Would you stop being cute for a minute and give me feedback on my question? |
| 03:21.47 | sgeigerbot | I'm stuck... |
| 03:21.52 | jlmb | lakcaj_: what's the module for taht device? |
| 03:21.54 | sgeigerbot | karsten: likewise. |
| 03:21.58 | lakcaj_ | one sec, brb |
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| 03:22.23 | peterS | sgeigerbot: oh. on linux, 'host' is DNS-only, it doesn't go through /etc/nsswitch.conf or the gethostbyname() C function at all |
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| 03:22.38 | lakcaj_ | jlmb, mines via_rhine |
| 03:22.44 | lakcaj_ | and it is still loaded |
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| 03:22.50 | peterS | sgeigerbot: on HP-UX, 'host' uses gethostbyname() instead, which does what you're expecting here |
| 03:22.56 | jlmb | so ifconfig shows sit0? |
| 03:22.57 | poop | Is it reasonable to expect that sarge users will (have to) upgrade to a modern kernel and therefore file bugs against stuff that won't work with modern kernels? |
| 03:23.12 | poop | (e.g. lirc-modules-source) |
| 03:23.17 | bucky | sit0 is the firewire |
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| 03:23.38 | peterS | poop: things like kernel module source can only be reasonably supported on kernel ranges the upstream developers support |
| 03:23.42 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Hmmm. That kinda sucks... How can I force /etc/hosts to be used? |
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| 03:24.02 | poop | ugh, so stable is only worthwhile for ancient hardware? |
| 03:24.03 | lakcaj_ | jlmb, ifconfig only shows the loopback device now |
| 03:24.24 | peterS | sgeigerbot: use 'ping' or something for your name resolution needs, rather than 'host'. or perhaps 'getent hosts foobar', that works too |
| 03:24.28 | gravity | poop: No, it's worthwhile if you want what it offers |
| 03:24.42 | jlmb | lakcaj_: ok. |
| 03:24.46 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: as root: ifup eth0 |
| 03:24.47 | poop | gravity: I want stability on my year+ old hardware. |
| 03:24.50 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I swear I've done this before. ping works. However, I'm trying to get this to work in firefox. |
| 03:25.00 | Boukensya | anyone successfully setup a remote X server? |
| 03:25.02 | gravity | poop: Then go for it. It's perfect |
| 03:25.03 | lakcaj_ | amd_goon_, that's where I got the error message from that I posted here |
| 03:25.16 | lakcaj_ | thanks everyone for your help so far, btw |
| 03:25.18 | peterS | sgeigerbot: oh, firefox should use /etc/hosts too, don't know why it doesn't. is this a precedence issue, like it's using DNS first instead of last? |
| 03:25.19 | sgeigerbot | peterS: lynx doens't even resolv it the way I want it to. bleh. |
| 03:25.20 | Boukensya | It looks like I configured it all but when I do a startx it says failed to initualize core devices |
| 03:25.22 | poop | gravity: But for the kernel not working with my year+ old hardware, I'd agree. |
| 03:25.35 | gravity | poop: Reaally? Not even 2.6.8? |
| 03:25.41 | sgeigerbot | peterS: That's what I suspect. |
| 03:25.43 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: sorry did not see |
| 03:25.51 | peterS | sgeigerbot: note that the 'hosts' line in /etc/nsswitch.conf determines the order these things are consulted: should be 'files dns' rather than 'dns files' |
| 03:25.58 | sgeigerbot | peterS: but /etc/nsswitch.conf doesn't seem to have any bearing on this. |
| 03:26.12 | poop | gravity: nope, sadly (I'm not even a kernel junkie here) |
| 03:26.21 | gravity | ouch |
| 03:26.22 | sgeigerbot | peterS: right. 'grep "hosts:" /etc/nsswitch.conf' gives me this: 'hosts: files dns' |
| 03:26.23 | Skrot | litage: do you know if any of them has the possibility to log how much data goes outside my local IP subnet in 24 hours at a time? I use to use vnstat, but it logs for internal traffic on my LAN as well |
| 03:26.30 | poop | gravity: Should I file a bug against sarge 2.6.8? |
| 03:26.32 | peterS | sgeigerbot: right, if firefox and lynx don't respect /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/hosts, I don't know why. they certainly should. |
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| 03:26.38 | gravity | poop: No, it's not worth it |
| 03:26.41 | Boukensya | should a startx work? |
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| 03:26.45 | peterS | sgeigerbot: and from what you posted ("192.168.x.x foobar") that's the right syntax |
| 03:26.47 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: is /etc/network/interfaces looking ok? |
| 03:26.51 | lakcaj_ | I think what has happened is debian, through some upgrade, has found a new piece of hardware and assigned it to eth0. How do I reconfigure my network? |
| 03:26.57 | poop | I can't run unstable. It was a bloody nightmare. |
| 03:26.58 | bucky | sgeigerbot, does firefox mess up on http://localhost ..is that the problem? |
| 03:26.59 | gravity | poop: You could either build your own installer image with an updated kernel or use testing :-\ |
| 03:27.11 | gravity | Boukensya: For remote X? No... just run the app. |
| 03:27.16 | sgeigerbot | bucky: there is no Web server on localhost |
| 03:27.20 | Boukensya | okay so just run fluxbox? |
| 03:27.21 | lakcaj_ | amd_goon_, I think eth0 is no longer my ethernet card, so although interfaces is fine (I checked), it is no longer accurate |
| 03:27.23 | poop | gravity: I'm using a new kernel, but packages like lirc won't build with it |
| 03:27.34 | Boukensya | Error: Couldn't connect to XServer |
| 03:27.42 | lakcaj_ | is there a dpkg-reconfigure network or something? |
| 03:27.52 | poop | lakcaj: install etherconf |
| 03:27.56 | gravity | Boukensya: Did you set up your sshd to allow X forwarding? Did you log in using ssh -X? |
| 03:28.13 | Boukensya | I did setup sshd to allow X forwarding |
| 03:28.16 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: just what I was wondering |
| 03:28.17 | poop | oh, but etherconf is probably too simple |
| 03:28.20 | Boukensya | I didn't log in using ssh -X because I am using putty |
| 03:28.22 | trollboy | anyone recommend a channel for discussing imap? |
| 03:28.38 | g3brown | Is there a util or something to provide a more graphical version of user manager at the console level? |
| 03:28.47 | gravity | Boukensya: Did you configure putty to use X forwarding then? |
| 03:28.49 | peterS | trollboy: hmmm there's a ##fetchmail I believe, they at least have to implement imap |
| 03:28.59 | Boukensya | gravity, I had a look but didn't see that option |
| 03:29.19 | gravity | Boukensya: Did you restart your sshd after you set it up also? |
| 03:29.25 | Boukensya | yes |
| 03:29.26 | Boukensya | did that |
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| 03:29.34 | Boukensya | ooh found something on putty |
| 03:29.55 | Boukensya | ok, I set Xfoward on putty but still same error |
| 03:31.18 | Boukensya | it asks for the X display location |
| 03:31.18 | gravity | Are you running windows to do this? |
| 03:31.18 | sgeigerbot | Boukensya: In /etc/ssh/sshd_config you will have to enable X11 forwarding by changing onlyt the first of these three properties: X11Forswarding yes|no X11DisplayOffset n XauthLocation path (specifies the default path to the xauth program binary) I mention the other two only because they are closely related. |
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| 03:31.18 | gravity | Or are you on Debian right now, running putty? |
| 03:31.18 | Boukensya | sgeigerbot, yeah did that already (; |
| 03:31.19 | lakcaj_ | How can I re-run the network configuration utility that is run during install time? |
| 03:31.19 | Boukensya | oh wait, my display offset is 10 |
| 03:31.41 | tlivingston | hey, is it possible to "upgrade" to stable once your running testing or unstable? |
| 03:31.49 | lakcaj_ | tlivingston, no |
| 03:31.53 | tlivingston | yuck |
| 03:31.55 | tlivingston | okay |
| 03:32.08 | tlivingston | lakcaj_, how about just certain packages? |
| 03:32.09 | sgeigerbot | Boukensya: did you restart the server? |
| 03:32.12 | sgeigerbot | Boukensya: (sshd) |
| 03:32.17 | ctp | hi folks. i write an application letter for a phd position. english is not my native language, so perhaps anyone here can take a look at http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7B7osL81.html ? it's a really short application letter ;-) i would be pleased ... the phd position is linux based, so not really off-topic ;-) |
| 03:32.35 | gravity | ctp: If you want more comments on it, please have them in /msg |
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| 03:32.51 | lakcaj_ | tlivingston, not easily. |
| 03:32.57 | tlivingston | lakcaj_, okay, thx |
| 03:32.58 | amd_goon_ | tlivingson: yes I have seen it done, but can't supply details |
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| 03:33.14 | tlivingston | better off reinstalling i suppose |
| 03:33.22 | litage | Skrot: i've no idea; i've barely used ntop |
| 03:33.28 | Boukensya | sgeigerbot, yeah restarted the xserver |
| 03:33.29 | lakcaj_ | Please, how do I run the configuration utilities that are performed during the initial install, namely network detection and autoconfiguration? |
| 03:33.30 | gravity | tlivingston: Definitely |
| 03:33.47 | Skrot | litage: okay, thanks anyway :) |
| 03:33.50 | surinder | do I need to install kerner_image package do get kernel source/headers to write kernel modules? |
| 03:33.51 | sgeigerbot | Boukensya: No, the ssh server. |
| 03:33.59 | Boukensya | yeah did do that |
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| 03:34.08 | tlivingston | thanks guys |
| 03:35.06 | Boukensya | everytime I enable x11 fowarding in putty it just unticks itself off when I restart it, meaning it probably isn't working |
| 03:35.15 | Boukensya | it asks for my x disply location though |
| 03:35.29 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: wonder if it is dpkg-reconfigure netbase ?? |
| 03:35.36 | sgeigerbot | Boukensya: Then when you log in with ssh you add "-X" like this: "ssh -X sgeigerbot@secretagent.cia.gov" If it worked, then you will see a message like this: Last login: Thu Dec 30 02:20:43 2004 from 192.168.1.210 /usr/bin/X11/xauth: creating new authority file /home/sgeiger/.Xauthority |
| 03:35.37 | gravity | Boukensya: You have an X server locally, right? |
| 03:35.45 | surinder | somewhere I read /usr/include has the required header tin sync with installed debian stable, but it gave lot of compilation errors |
| 03:35.56 | mage | Boukensya: dont you have to load settings, change it then save it? |
| 03:36.25 | Boukensya | hmm.. I havn't setup any auth stuff yet |
| 03:36.36 | gravity | oookaay |
| 03:36.44 | Boukensya | mage X11 is actually a option in putty and not the connection itself |
| 03:37.10 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: wonder if it is dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown ?? apt-cache show ifupdown looks appropriate |
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| 03:38.03 | lakcaj_ | amd_goon_, thanks, I might try that. I know there is a way to re-run the utils that the installer uses, I just can't remember how. |
| 03:38.16 | mage | Boukensya: not on my copy of putty |
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| 03:39.05 | Boukensya | mage it is under the Connection-SSH section for me |
| 03:39.11 | Boukensya | not in the session |
| 03:39.26 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: yep dpkg-reconfigure packagename will do it, depending on the level set in debconf |
| 03:39.38 | mage | Boukensya: load a session, tick it, save it |
| 03:40.05 | mage | the tunnels are session specific too |
| 03:40.32 | Boukensya | yAY getting somewhere |
| 03:40.36 | Boukensya | thanks mage |
| 03:40.40 | Boukensya | so it tries to load it |
| 03:40.51 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: pretty sure there is three levels of how much dpkg queries you for input, low, medium, high (?) |
| 03:40.56 | Boukensya | and then it goes X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). when I try to load fluxbox |
| 03:43.30 | lakcaj_ | I remembered what I was thinking of: base-config, and that doesn't configure the network :( |
| 03:43.38 | lakcaj_ | wtf, I am seriously pissed right now |
| 03:44.05 | orchid | lakcaj_: do it manually |
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| 03:44.23 | loopdee | hmm, messages says kernel: ieee1394: raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initalized ... though I do not see raw1394 in /dev ... any ideas? |
| 03:44.24 | sgeigerbot | peterS: hmmm... maybe it just took a while...or maybe I was just screwing myself up with a chroot. I think, actually, it was a combination of both. Maybe nscd was involved in this somehow... |
| 03:44.41 | peterS | sgeigerbot: oh, if nscd is running, that's always the first suspect |
| 03:44.50 | orchid | lakcaj_: couple of files to edit if the cards driver is installed, then ifup the card |
| 03:44.58 | lakcaj_ | orchid, I don't even know what device my ethernet card is anymore. I've changed eth0 to eth1 in interfaces, but that isn't working |
| 03:45.27 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Another thing: perhaps my Web server wasn't responding to the full name--only the virtual host portion of the name. |
| 03:45.32 | orchid | lakcaj_: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 03:45.45 | kapil | lakcaj_: try the package network-console-config. |
| 03:45.46 | sgeigerbot | peterS: nscd was apparently not running. |
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| 03:46.00 | lakcaj_ | orchid, kapil: thanks |
| 03:46.18 | peterS | sgeigerbot: right, the web server will answer to any name but it'll serve its default virtual host if it doesn't recognise the name |
| 03:46.39 | agrathwohl | Hi guys. Can anybody tell me how I can install my nvidia drivers via apt-get for amd64 testing? I am having so much trouble - I did an apt-get install nvidia-sources-common and now I'm completely at a loss of what to do! Help! |
| 03:46.45 | sgeigerbot | peterS: ah...and to make matters more confusing, I found an error in /etc/hosts! |
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| 03:46.54 | sgeigerbot | peterS: thanks for the encouragement. |
| 03:46.58 | loopdee | ahh /dev/.static/dev/raw1394 ... wierd |
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| 03:47.26 | peterS | sgeigerbot: heh, good luck |
| 03:47.27 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I too often blame the software and too infrequently the wetware. |
| 03:48.38 | agrathwohl | Anybody? =/ |
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| 03:48.56 | Tortel | huh? |
| 03:49.05 | kapil | agrathwohl: aren't there some docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-sources-common |
| 03:49.11 | Hackel | Has anyone put up an unofficial firefox 1.5 package yet? |
| 03:49.41 | agrathwohl | kapil: Nope, just a very small README and some copyright stuff. |
| 03:49.53 | agrathwohl | kapil: I am just so lost right now - I really need somebody's help. I am overwhelmed by these docs. |
| 03:49.59 | chealer | Hackel: unlikely. unstable is pretty much there |
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| 03:50.28 | Hackel | cheal: unstable still has 1.4.99 rc3! |
| 03:50.52 | kapil | agrathwohl: sorry. can't help. i never had to deal with nvidia kernel stuff. |
| 03:51.03 | agrathwohl | Is there an AMD64-specific IRC room for debian? |
| 03:51.24 | bucky | agrathwohl, #debian-amd64 |
| 03:51.25 | Boukensya | okay, I see why |
| 03:51.30 | Boukensya | the X server is not running |
| 03:51.42 | gravity | I asked that like three times |
| 03:51.45 | lakcaj_ | fsck - ifconfig -a shows the loopback device, an eth0, and this sit0. I can't install network-console-config, since I don't have an ethernet connection. |
| 03:51.46 | agrathwohl | Thanks bucky |
| 03:51.58 | Boukensya | cuz when I try to do a startx remotely it tries to load the x server |
| 03:52.18 | Boukensya | is there a certain way that I need to load the X server in the background? but not actually run it on the screeN? |
| 03:52.28 | gravity | You need to run the X server locally |
| 03:52.35 | peterS | Boukensya: your question makes no sense. why would you want to run it but not run it? |
| 03:52.36 | gravity | So don't run startx remotely |
| 03:52.44 | gravity | You run the app remotely |
| 03:52.48 | Boukensya | well I want to run it in the background |
| 03:52.56 | Boukensya | and in the forground on other machines |
| 03:53.01 | peterS | Boukensya: the X server has no purpose other than to take over a video card and keyboard and mouse |
| 03:53.04 | gravity | That doesn't make sense |
| 03:53.05 | Boukensya | basically like windows gay version of terminal services |
| 03:53.06 | peterS | Boukensya: if you don't want it to do that, you don't want it |
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| 03:53.15 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: is eth0 listed somewhere in /proc/interrupts? |
| 03:53.17 | Hackel | Boukensya: just use x11vnc |
| 03:53.27 | Boukensya | how good of quality is that? |
| 03:53.33 | Boukensya | needs to be at least 16 bit |
| 03:53.37 | Hackel | Boukensya: Works very well for me, via ssh pipe. |
| 03:53.52 | Hackel | Boukensya: set it to whatever quality you wish, it just makes it slower. |
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| 03:54.05 | trollboy | fetchmail and cyrus both are silent |
| 03:54.06 | trollboy | YAY! |
| 03:54.10 | Boukensya | cool thats good, does sound work on it too? |
| 03:54.14 | lakcaj_ | amd_goon_, checking |
| 03:54.19 | Hackel | Boukensya: no, if you want sound try freenx. |
| 03:54.29 | trollboy | I've got mail accounts on my webhost pop/imap and I want to mirror them on my local linux box's imap server |
| 03:54.39 | trollboy | you guys know of a way to do that? |
| 03:54.56 | lakcaj_ | amd_goon_, nope |
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| 03:55.14 | Hackel | trollboy: Use fetchmail. |
| 03:55.15 | xtheblack9x | ls |
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| 03:55.34 | Hackel | xtheblack9x: No such file or directory |
| 03:55.35 | lakcaj_ | I am still utterly amazed that this could happen on two machines at the exact same time. I bet there are many other people out there right now with this issue, but no way to communicate it. |
| 03:55.40 | xtheblack9x | what command do you use on .deb files |
| 03:55.44 | trollboy | I was afraid of that Hackel |
| 03:55.45 | lakcaj_ | dpkg |
| 03:55.46 | xtheblack9x | sorry im new to debian |
| 03:55.49 | lakcaj_ | xtheblack9x, dpkg |
| 03:55.53 | kjm | !tell xtheblack dpkg |
| 03:55.54 | xtheblack9x | thanks |
| 03:55.56 | Hackel | trollboy: Why afraid? Fetchmail works well. |
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| 03:55.58 | Boukensya | thanks hackel, I will try that out |
| 03:56.07 | dli | xtheblack9x, use apt-get (or aptitude) |
| 03:56.24 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: hmmm, that is not good. never seen a card work and not be listed there. anything in dmesg or /var/log/messages? |
| 03:56.31 | Boukensya | Hackel, does freenx work with x11vnc? |
| 03:56.32 | litage | which package provides gmake? |
| 03:56.43 | Hackel | Boukensya: No, it' s completely different. |
| 03:56.48 | peterS | litage: make |
| 03:56.52 | Boukensya | does sound and video? |
| 03:56.53 | peterS | litage: only it isn't called gmake, it's called make |
| 03:56.54 | Hackel | Boukensya: I believe it uses an esd-type server to redirect audio, but not sure. |
| 03:57.03 | Hackel | Boukensya: No, you can't do video, that would just be silly. |
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| 03:57.14 | peterS | litage: you're free to add a /usr/local/bin/gmake -> /usr/bin/make symlink yourself, if this makes life easier |
| 03:57.28 | Boukensya | Hackel, so there is no way to do both sound and video at the same time? |
| 03:57.29 | litage | peterS: why do some programs say "requires GNU Make. If GNU Make (gmake)"? |
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| 03:57.55 | peterS | litage: because on a lot of Unix platforms, the system version of 'make' is not gnu make. so admins install gnu make as 'gmake' so that there is no confusion about the two both being installed |
| 03:57.57 | Hackel | Boukensya: via a remote connection? Why would you want to? Just view the video and audio locally. |
| 03:58.24 | peterS | litage: gnu make has a lot of features that make it incompatible with other versions of make. some software projects rely on these features, and thus require what they then call 'gmake' |
| 03:58.26 | Boukensya | well basically there will be like 4 or 5 people using this one machine as there normal desktop |
| 03:58.36 | Boukensya | well that is what I hope to do |
| 03:58.52 | TeBoar | I used apt-get install to install apache2, mysql4, and php4... is there anything special I have to do with php4 to get dotproject working? when I go to the install folder to set up dotproject, it wants me to save... I believe thats a php issue, any ideas anybody? |
| 03:58.53 | Hackel | Boukensya: Oh, I see, you're talking about terminal server, that's completely different. Sorry I didn't understand that. |
| 03:58.56 | Boukensya | Hackel, because it is a server in a serverroom |
| 03:59.03 | litage | peterS: thanks for that explanation |
| 03:59.07 | Boukensya | Hackel, yeah |
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| 03:59.18 | Boukensya | any programs to do that sort of thing? |
| 03:59.22 | Hackel | Boukensya: Still, I'm not sure if there's an efficiant way to do video as a terminal server, but maybe. |
| 04:00.01 | kjm | Boukensya - there is a way to do video through ssh, but it will be really slow. VNC is an option, but not good for video. Can you get audio through ssh ? |
| 04:00.19 | lakcaj_ | wtf - all of a sudden it is working, and sit0 doesn't appear in ifconfig. How the hell am I going to get the other machine to work when i didn't even do anything here? |
| 04:00.30 | TeBoar | wops, wrong window, sorry everybody |
| 04:00.50 | Hackel | kjm: You can use esound to get audio via ssh, but I don't think it works so well. freenx supports audio, though. |
| 04:01.05 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: not a bad cable is it? |
| 04:01.14 | peterS | lakcaj_: sit0 means you've got the ipv6 kernel module loaded. just prevent that from happening. |
| 04:01.41 | lakcaj_ | amd_goon_, no, the two machines aren't even in the same city. |
| 04:01.46 | kjm | Hackel : kk. I only have x-forwarding set up through ssh, and that is reasonably fast. However, I wouldn't think that it would deal with video well. |
| 04:01.56 | Hackel | kjm: Right |
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| 04:01.59 | lakcaj_ | peterS, ok, I'll try that. |
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| 04:02.12 | kapil | Boukensya: if you want one machine to pump video to other machines then install the vlc server on the server and vlc client on the clients. |
| 04:02.15 | lakcaj_ | amd_goon_, and now my card shows up in interrupts, this is crazy |
| 04:02.19 | amd_goon_ | lakcaj: I once had the via-rhine module drive me nuts in a redhat box. had to patch it, but that was 3-4 years ago |
| 04:02.26 | Hackel | Boukensya: install the ltsp utils, then setup the client machines to connect to the server via xdmcp |
| 04:02.39 | kjm | Boukensya : Is this on a local network? |
| 04:02.40 | peterS | lakcaj_: note, you can't just unload the ipv6 module, because for technical reasons it's blocked from ever being unloaded once loaded. (basically, proper unload support was too hard and would have slowed down the network stack). so you have to make sure it never gets loaded in the first place |
| 04:02.41 | Hackel | Boukensya: It doesn't make sense, but the -client- workstation has to run the X server, and the server machine runs the X clients. :) |
| 04:02.42 | lakcaj_ | it's not a via-rhine chipset on the other machine |
| 04:03.00 | peterS | lakcaj_: generally by putting 'alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modutils/aliases or /etc/modprobe.d/local or wherever |
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| 04:04.28 | Boukensya | hmm..... I will keep doing research thanks heaps for your help guys! I really appreciate it. One more question before I go, would x11vnc be good enough quality (video) to run a video? |
| 04:04.39 | Boukensya | like with mplayer or something |
| 04:04.42 | lakcaj_ | I've got to go to bed. I have to be up in 5 hours to go to work. Thanks everyone for all your help. |
| 04:04.51 | amd_goon_ | k |
| 04:05.00 | lakcaj_ | thanks amd_goon_ |
| 04:05.24 | amd_goon_ | no problem |
| 04:06.06 | Hackel | Boukensya: See this for running apps (like a video viewer--mplayer or real player, etc.) locally in a LTSP environment. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps |
| 04:06.30 | Hackel | Boukensya: No, you can't do video that way, as I told you. |
| 04:06.40 | xtheblack9x | anyone know where i can change the boot level? command line would be what 3? |
| 04:06.48 | Hackel | Boukensya: you'd probably get 1 or 2 frames per second and no audio synch. |
| 04:07.18 | Hackel | xtheblack9x: telinit 3? |
| 04:07.42 | xtheblack9x | hackel kinda but make it not boot in x |
| 04:07.58 | Boukensya | so its not even possible to get okay frame rate with videos? |
| 04:08.11 | Hackel | xtheblack9x: disable gdm is probably what you want to do. |
| 04:08.30 | mtnman | xtheblack9x: starting X is not affected by runlevel. you need to disable your display manager (as hackel said) |
| 04:08.32 | Hackel | Boukensya: I don't believe so, though I've never really tried. You should run the video apps locally. |
| 04:08.57 | xtheblack9x | mtnman is that hard to do? |
| 04:09.02 | Hackel | I think redhat has a seperate runlevel for not starting X, perhaps that's the confusion. |
| 04:09.19 | mtnman | xtheblack9x: no, but first you need to know which display manager you are runnig. |
| 04:09.23 | mtnman | running... |
| 04:09.27 | xtheblack9x | i would just do ctl alt backspace when i want to enter command line but the screen turns diffrent colors |
| 04:09.32 | xtheblack9x | and then doesnt do anything |
| 04:09.40 | Boukensya | hmm.. okay.. well I will play around with it. Cheers |
| 04:09.49 | amd_goon_ | Hackel: right runlevel 3 in RH is no X by default |
| 04:09.57 | mtnman | xtheblack9x: you can also do ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 04:10.08 | xtheblack9x | but then isn |
| 04:10.15 | xtheblack9x | 't x still running |
| 04:10.19 | mtnman | yes |
| 04:10.29 | Hackel | xtheblack9x: gdm will continually restart X if you kill it with ctl-alt-del. |
| 04:10.32 | xtheblack9x | i need to install nvidia drivers sorry i didn't say that in the begining |
| 04:10.32 | Boukensya | cuz I will need video to run okay. (sound not so much) |
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| 04:10.55 | xtheblack9x | ooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh i c thanks hackel |
| 04:10.58 | Boukensya | it would be running localy, just the window to view would be fowarded on |
| 04:11.06 | Boukensya | hmmm yeah, not sure if this is possilbe |
| 04:11.08 | Hackel | xtheblack9x: Use ctrl-alt-F1 to go to console, then /etc/init.d/gdm stop to kill X, install the drivers, then start gdm again. |
| 04:11.24 | Hackel | Boukensya: check out that link I sent you, I think that's the solution. |
| 04:11.32 | Boukensya | yep.. reading it now |
| 04:11.39 | mtnman | hackel: are you sure he is running gdm? |
| 04:11.46 | Hackel | Boukensya: most video viewers use direct hardware access and such to play videos quickly anyway, which can't work over a remote connection. |
| 04:12.09 | mtnman | hackel: actually, xv works over a remote connection |
| 04:12.21 | Hackel | mtnman: Nope, just assuming. ;) Isn't it the default in Debian if you chose the pre-made gui setup? |
| 04:12.50 | mtnman | hackel: dunno, but assuming is dangerous. |
| 04:12.53 | mage | hey would /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh be a good place to invoke a firewal? |
| 04:12.55 | Hackel | mtnman: Ah, true I'm usually using vnc. But it must be really slow. |
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| 04:13.21 | M_Cheevy | heya folks.... |
| 04:13.39 | Hackel | mage: I use /etc/init.d/firewall myself. :) |
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| 04:13.45 | xtheblack9x | when i press ctl alt f1 the screen just gets multi colored and then doesnt let me do anything |
| 04:13.51 | mtnman | hackel: actually, if you run, eg., mplayer w/ the xv output, in a remote session, it will use the xv extensions on the local card. |
| 04:13.52 | xtheblack9x | hardware problem maybe? |
| 04:13.54 | mage | hmm |
| 04:14.07 | xtheblack9x | or hardware settings |
| 04:14.18 | mtnman | xtheblack9x: i would guess wrong driver or settings. (probably driver) |
| 04:14.37 | Hackel | mtnman: Right, but the data would be so slow... I've never tried it, I'm only assuming it wouldn't be usable, even with compression. |
| 04:14.46 | M_Cheevy | trying to setup DualView metamodes to include offsets to line up my monitors (21"@1280x1024/17"@1024x768), anyone ever tried this? |
| 04:14.59 | mtnman | hackel: yes, data is slow in that case. |
| 04:15.10 | mage | Hackel: oh you made it a separate script? |
| 04:15.49 | Hackel | mage: Yeah, just to avoid confusion. |
| 04:16.16 | M_Cheevy | btw, what's a good fps for Gears(GL) {screensaver}? |
| 04:16.35 | Hackel | xtheblack9x: I guess you do have to disable your window manager and restart. If you are running gdm (GNOME?) then just move /etc/init.d/gdm to a different directory while you install the drivers. I've never had that trouble with the Free nv driver, though. |
| 04:16.45 | Hackel | M_Cheevy: 3 million is good. |
| 04:16.58 | M_Cheevy | Hackel: 3mill would be blazingly fast |
| 04:17.08 | Hackel | Well, fast is good! |
| 04:17.17 | xtheblack9x | hackel thank you much. i just did it as root in gnome and it quit x |
| 04:17.23 | M_Cheevy | theblack9x: you trying to install the nvidia driver? |
| 04:17.58 | M_Cheevy | Hackel: just point me to a system (that's not a SGI) that can get 3mill fps ;) |
| 04:18.34 | Hackel | M_Cheevy: Yeah I was kidding. I don't know what would be a good benchmark, if that's what you're looking for. |
| 04:19.05 | M_Cheevy | Hackel: basically, in a dualview system at 1280x1024/1024x768, I'm getting an fps of around 350-400 |
| 04:19.06 | Hackel | M_Cheevy: Since I barely get 1400. :-P |
| 04:19.12 | xtheblack9x | hackel do you know if this is like mandriva where i install kernel-source to install nvidia drivers? |
| 04:19.22 | M_Cheevy | hackel: is that in the preview window? |
| 04:19.50 | Hackel | xtheblack9x: there's an nvideo-kernel-source package. |
| 04:20.08 | M_Cheevy | theblack9x: you can download the drivers directly from nvidia and build them for what ever kernel you are using. just kill the gdm process use Ctrl+Alt+Bksp to exit X and run the .run package |
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| 04:20.38 | KerPlunk | Can I use java-package to build jdk? |
| 04:21.03 | amphi | KerPlunk: yes |
| 04:21.04 | Hackel | KerPlunk: to package it, not build it. It worked well for me. |
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| 04:21.44 | KerPlunk | What about like java media framework?(I want to embed mpeg movies in my oo-impress presentations) |
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| 04:21.59 | KerPlunk | And what about Java Advanced Imaging(I want to use project looking glass) |
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| 04:22.05 | KerPlunk | I can package those with java also? |
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| 04:22.46 | Hackel | KerPlunk: So far as I know java-package just supports packaging main jre/jdk. |
| 04:23.43 | KerPlunk | k |
| 04:24.05 | Hackel | OpenOffice needs that stuff just to embed a video? That's crummy. |
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| 04:27.06 | soapee01 | I haven't gotten much help in LDAP forums, so I was hoping some guru here might be able to help. Is it possible to set up openldap so that Outlook, OE, Kaddressbook, Thunderbird, Evo, Mac Mail, ... can all see addressbook info in the correct places (ie. home address in home, not business), or is this just wishful thinking. Maybe I'm smoking crack for even hoping this is possible. Feel free to tell me so. I'm thinking it might |
| 04:27.07 | soapee01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.26 | vassagus | !codecs |
| 04:27.44 | vassagus | !divx |
| 04:27.45 | dpkg | methinks divx is de-encoded with xmps under linux, or http://divx.ctw.cc, or a new video compression system that takes up 15% of the space of some other video compression algorithm :o), or xine will work too with divxc32.dll, or http://thot.banki.hu/mp-ftp/releases/w32codec.zip Please use XviD instead (not OpenDivX nor DivX4) |
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| 04:28.28 | vassagus | !win32-codecs |
| 04:28.58 | Hackel | !loser |
| 04:28.59 | dpkg | from memory, loser is John * |
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| 04:31.19 | loopdee | ok, I just did make menuconfig, my /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386, should i save to .config and run make? |
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| 04:32.26 | Tortel | !time |
| 04:32.27 | dpkg | it has been said that time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2005.12.13 UTC, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. |
| 04:32.27 | Hackel | loopdee: kernel-headers aren't used for compiling the kernel itself. |
| 04:32.48 | ForrestF | how do i add a source to apt-get |
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| 04:33.29 | soapee01 | loopdee: You'll need to install the kernel-source package, and you might consider using make-kpkg (it'll give you a .deb to install when it's done). |
| 04:33.40 | kjm | ForrestF : see /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:33.42 | Kluster_v2 | ForrestF, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:34.06 | loopdee | Hackel: okay, Ill link to kernel-source and run make menuconfig, after that i run make or make-kpkg? waht about the modules? |
| 04:34.15 | Kluster_v2 | now I feel like a stupid echo.. sry |
| 04:34.27 | loopdee | soapee01: okay |
| 04:34.38 | kjm | :) simultaneous typing |
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| 04:35.14 | Kluster_v2 | well at least we gave the same answer, that's a good sign |
| 04:35.17 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: make-kpkg should make the modules as well, the created deb, when installed using dpkg will put everything in the right place and create symlinks to the new kernels from /boot/vmlinuz etc |
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| 04:35.51 | loopdee | thank god, i used to have soooo much trouble weith make bzimage and majke modules and all that other stuff |
| 04:36.01 | Hackel | loopdee: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 04:36.02 | soapee01 | loopdee: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 and you can find some good guides if you google "compile kernel debian way". I find xconfig to be easier too. Hope that helps. |
| 04:36.18 | loopdee | thanks guys, you guys rock |
| 04:36.39 | M_Cheevy | xconfig is god |
| 04:36.51 | loopdee | ill try xconfig |
| 04:37.06 | SimonRaven | xconfig is good for wiping your ass |
| 04:37.21 | soapee01 | loopdee: you'll need to install some qt libs... can't remember which ones off the top of my head though. |
| 04:37.22 | loopdee | heh |
| 04:37.26 | gravity | I loved xconfig back in the 2.2/2.4 days |
| 04:37.33 | M_Cheevy | SR: let me guess, you swear by gconfig |
| 04:37.37 | SimonRaven | tk++ |
| 04:37.41 | Hackel | Isn't there a gtk-config now? |
| 04:37.44 | loopdee | oaky... i can figure that one out :) |
| 04:37.52 | M_Cheevy | Hackel: gconfig |
| 04:38.00 | SimonRaven | gconfig is the gtk one. no, i'm a menuconfig fan |
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| 04:38.11 | SimonRaven | and please tab complete |
| 04:38.16 | sshock | am I the only one who prefers menuconfig? |
| 04:38.25 | SimonRaven | ^^^ |
| 04:38.35 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: sorry, that came after I developed my typing habits |
| 04:39.03 | SimonRaven | an old dog who can't learn is a dead dog :P |
| 04:39.39 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: it's a question of priorities.... |
| 04:40.02 | SimonRaven | doing it now ;) |
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| 04:40.13 | SimonRaven | gotcha |
| 04:40.28 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: wrong again, I'm typing it out as you seem to get pissy if I abbreviate |
| 04:40.47 | SimonRaven | no, i miss it otherwise. not pissy about it |
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| 04:41.22 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: oh.. I set up my highlight to do abbreviations too |
| 04:41.31 | bucky | !irritate M_Cheevy |
| 04:41.32 | dpkg | M_Cheevy: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde kk |
| 04:41.37 | SimonRaven | SR is too common |
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| 04:42.06 | SimonRaven | the highlight in irssi works case insensitively |
| 04:42.10 | M_Cheevy | bucky: dpkg will have to try harder... |
| 04:42.16 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: and MC isn't ;) |
| 04:42.25 | SimonRaven | mc |
| 04:42.28 | bucky | it's usually better than that |
| 04:42.29 | M_Cheevy | yeap |
| 04:42.42 | bucky | !badger me |
| 04:42.43 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 04:42.57 | M_Cheevy | bucky: you should feed it that film by John Cleese on how to irritate people ;) |
| 04:43.23 | SimonRaven | mc is reserved for midnight commander ;) |
| 04:43.55 | M_Cheevy | well, after doing online chat since 86, I've learned to keep my eyes open for variations of whatever nick I'm using... |
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| 04:55.33 | thezanke | how do i run xproxy in the background or as a deamon? |
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| 04:57.15 | douglas | is samba the thing to use for mounting a drive on another deb box, or is there something less bad to use |
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| 04:57.57 | M_Cheevy | douglas: If memory serves, samba is for mounting windows shares |
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| 04:58.33 | douglas | Right. So what alternatives do i have given that i'm going from linux to linux |
| 04:58.44 | M_Cheevy | douglas: good old fashion nfs? |
| 04:58.52 | douglas | nfs, huh. |
| 04:58.56 | douglas | so that's what that is |
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| 04:59.00 | M_Cheevy | nfs = network file system |
| 04:59.00 | douglas | ok thank you |
| 04:59.15 | M_Cheevy | douglas: that being said, there may be something newer |
| 04:59.19 | soapee01 | douglas: although you could use samba, which might be easier for authenticated shares. |
| 04:59.44 | douglas | It's high time i apted and manned nfs. |
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| 05:00.06 | KerPlunk | jdk with netbeans is what I want for java? |
| 05:00.15 | cs18 | i'm writing a conditional statement in awk: if ( $0 == n1 expr n2 ), where expr can be +, -, /, and *. the only problem is that this checks for the literal string "n1 * n2" rather than the outcome of n1 * n2 |
| 05:00.21 | cs18 | any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 05:01.08 | M_Cheevy | cs18: just a shot in the dark, create a variable to do the math then throw it into the test condition? |
| 05:02.09 | M_Cheevy | oh well, worth a shot |
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| 05:02.51 | cs18 | thanks.. cheevy |
| 05:03.19 | gravity | My awk is really rusty... |
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| 05:03.38 | M_Cheevy | mine's non-existant, but programming is programming... |
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| 05:05.32 | douglas | what might this mean: Not starting NFS kernel daemon: No exports. |
| 05:05.35 | M_Cheevy | O'Reilly's has a great book on awk |
| 05:06.28 | M_Cheevy | douglas: you have to configure the nfsd by telling it what is mountable remotely |
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| 05:06.40 | douglas | ok |
| 05:06.42 | M_Cheevy | douglas: should be in the man/howto |
| 05:06.52 | douglas | on it. |
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| 05:07.30 | gravity | cs18: Is this embedded in a shell script? |
| 05:07.46 | gravity | Or is this a pure awk program? |
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| 05:08.08 | M_Cheevy | grrrr |
| 05:08.12 | justin_ | whats up peoples |
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| 05:10.10 | M_Cheevy | nada chillin' |
| 05:10.28 | JRtheGoob | what does the i2c bus on your mobo provide.. does that mean on nforce4 chipsets there is an i2c controller so you can interface with homebrew electronics? |
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| 05:12.15 | justin_ | whats a good package to use for logging ssh connections? |
| 05:12.34 | nudenurd | syslog |
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| 05:14.44 | justin_ | thank you |
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| 05:15.21 | agrathwohl | hi guys. does anybody know of a program that extracts RAR files other than unrar and rar that's on apt-get? |
| 05:15.39 | Eclipser | unrar-nonfree ? :) |
| 05:15.55 | Eclipser | I think file-roller might be able to |
| 05:16.01 | agrathwohl | no, i tried file-roller already |
| 05:16.14 | Eclipser | and what's wrong with unrar |
| 05:16.19 | agrathwohl | apparently amd64 doesnt have unrar or rar |
| 05:16.28 | Eclipser | ah 64... |
| 05:16.29 | nimak2 | file-roller is just acts as a wrapper for unrar |
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| 05:17.01 | agrathwohl | well when i used file-roller to open the rar file it said it wasnt supported |
| 05:17.20 | Eclipser | because it couldn't find the unrar command |
| 05:17.37 | agrathwohl | oy vay.. anybody know of an AMD64-compatable unrar tool? |
| 05:17.57 | zinx | uhm, why not use the 32-bit x86 one? |
| 05:18.15 | agrathwohl | because i cant use apt-get to get it... as far as I know |
| 05:18.16 | Gnea | unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 05:18.28 | SimonRaven | because it isn't 64 bit |
| 05:18.32 | SimonRaven | :P |
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| 05:18.38 | agrathwohl | exactly |
| 05:18.39 | Gnea | agrathwohl: and that's 64bit |
| 05:18.46 | Caelum | agrathwohl: maybe you could build it from apt-get source? |
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| 05:18.54 | agrathwohl | how do I do that? |
| 05:18.59 | Caelum | err, nm |
| 05:19.01 | SimonRaven | (dumb reason, IMO) |
| 05:19.09 | Eclipser | http://www.rarlab.com/rar/rarlinux-3.5.1.tar.gz ? :) |
| 05:19.10 | Gnea | uhm, install it |
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| 05:19.20 | Gnea | apt-get install <packagename> |
| 05:19.35 | Gnea | Eclipser: that won't work |
| 05:19.40 | numist | dpkg -i Gnea |
| 05:19.41 | Eclipser | why not? |
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| 05:19.52 | Gnea | 64bit != 32bit |
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| 05:20.19 | justin_ | does auth.log ever clear itself or is there a way for me to? |
| 05:20.20 | Eclipser | 32bit software works on 64bit hardware........ |
| 05:20.38 | Gnea | only if a properly 32bit link layer is setup |
| 05:20.39 | Caelum | justin_: use logrotate? |
| 05:20.45 | M_Cheevy | back.... bugger the wireless network... |
| 05:20.52 | Gnea | by default, amd64 does not do that |
| 05:21.04 | Gnea | debian-amd64, that is |
| 05:21.05 | agrathwohl | oh well.. i have to run to bed. thanks anyways guys. |
| 05:21.13 | Eclipser | I don't see no reason not to setup it like that :p |
| 05:21.21 | nimak2 | wireless networking + linux sucks eggs |
| 05:21.24 | Eclipser | but I need to run to work now.. |
| 05:21.25 | Gnea | have you set it up? :P |
| 05:21.32 | justin_ | Caelum: thank you |
| 05:21.37 | Eclipser | Gnea, I don't have 64 bit hardware |
| 05:21.45 | M_Cheevy | nimak: ain't that good under windblows either... |
| 05:21.51 | Gnea | Eclipser: i'll take that as a 'no' then. have fun. |
| 05:22.20 | nimak2 | M_Cheevy: yeah, but at least drivers exist :-P |
| 05:22.21 | Caelum | if you booted a machine with init=/bin/sh, how can you run all the init scripts (other than manually)? type "init 2"? |
| 05:22.37 | M_Cheevy | nimak2: kinda sorta.... |
| 05:22.44 | Gnea | Caelum: bad move - why did init=/bin/sh in the first place? |
| 05:23.01 | nimak2 | M_Cheevy: ? |
| 05:23.07 | M_Cheevy | nimak2: i've since shut down the xp laptop (wireless) and moved to the sarge desktop (wired) |
| 05:23.13 | douglas | ok i got nfs serving on one machine but i can't find a client for the other one, no nfs-client .. got nfs-common .. |
| 05:23.27 | M_Cheevy | Nimak2: the drivers for wireless networking under windblows ain't 100% |
| 05:23.37 | Gnea | douglas: mount |
| 05:23.42 | douglas | ahh |
| 05:23.50 | douglas | of course |
| 05:23.54 | Caelum | Gnea: for now, my sound doesn't work unless I boot off a knoppix cd...then I just chroot to my debian partition and run stuff /etc/init.d :) |
| 05:24.14 | M_Cheevy | mount -t nfs <mount source> <mount point> |
| 05:24.21 | SimonRaven | all that just to get sound working? |
| 05:24.22 | KerPlunk | What packages do I need to download to build a jdk*deb file from a jdk*bin file...with java-package. |
| 05:24.30 | KerPlunk | I have java-package installed...but it doesn't work. |
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| 05:24.38 | SimonRaven | *shocked* *shocked* |
| 05:24.44 | Gnea | Caelum: that is the most retarded thing i have read all day. what sound card is it and what kernels are you running on debian/knoppix? |
| 05:24.48 | nimak2 | M_Cheevy: the problem is a stupid fcc regulation that prevents open source 802.11g drivers |
| 05:25.09 | KerPlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/KetvyE33.html |
| 05:25.15 | KerPlunk | That is what I get when I try to package java. |
| 05:25.16 | M_Cheevy | nimak2: especially stupid if you live outside the jurisdiction of the US Government |
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| 05:25.31 | SimonRaven | nimak2: see /topic for #debianppc |
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| 05:25.52 | fear-cult | what runlevel stops gdm from loading? |
| 05:26.01 | fear-cult | i just want a standard console |
| 05:26.02 | KerPlunk | apt-get remove gdm |
| 05:26.03 | M_Cheevy | fear cult: 3 |
| 05:26.03 | nimak2 | SimonRaven, im not on ppc |
| 05:26.10 | SimonRaven | doesn't work that way |
| 05:26.13 | Gnea | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 05:26.19 | fear-cult | thanks M_Cheevy |
| 05:26.28 | KerPlunk | fear-cult: Do Gnea's way |
| 05:26.30 | KerPlunk | That is the best way. |
| 05:26.39 | M_Cheevy | Gnea's way is more permanent |
| 05:26.40 | fear-cult | KerPlunk, i dont want to remove gdm i just want it to stop loading till i fix my driver issue |
| 05:26.46 | Gnea | not really |
| 05:26.51 | SimonRaven | nimak2: not my point. see notes on the AE driver. some people don't care about the FCC |
| 05:26.52 | Gnea | update-rc.d -f gdm default |
| 05:26.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:27.09 | nimak2 | oh, ok |
| 05:27.17 | SimonRaven | Gnea's way is also valid |
| 05:27.21 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: anyone outside the US shouldn't care about the FCC.. that's for US jurisdiction only |
| 05:27.22 | Gnea | fear-cult: removing it from rc.d prevents gdm from loading at boot-time. |
| 05:27.40 | fear-cult | what about changing runlevels to 3 as M_Cheevy pointed |
| 05:27.46 | Gnea | what about it |
| 05:27.50 | fear-cult | would it work |
| 05:27.51 | Caelum | Gnea: it is very retarted, and it used to work just fine too, just suddenly stopped working. It's the new usb soundblaster, using snd_usb_audio. My onboard intel8x0 stopped working too, sound goes too fast. Still, booting to text mode in knoppix then running init scripts manually is better than windows |
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| 05:27.55 | Gnea | try it and see |
| 05:28.00 | M_Cheevy | fear-cult: only for that boot session |
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| 05:28.18 | fear-cult | ok so update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 05:28.26 | Gnea | yeah |
| 05:28.30 | M_Cheevy | fear-cult: that will last more than one boot |
| 05:28.36 | SimonRaven | thing is, rc 3 doesn't do *anything* in debian |
| 05:28.52 | Gnea | [12:23AM] <Gnea> update-rc.d -f gdm default |
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| 05:28.54 | fear-cult | and when i wanna bring it back update-rc.d -f gdm default ? |
| 05:28.56 | Gnea | ^^^ that restores it |
| 05:28.59 | fear-cult | aight |
| 05:29.06 | fear-cult | thanks a bunch |
| 05:29.07 | SimonRaven | M_Cheevy: less /etc/inittab |
| 05:29.16 | Gnea | no prob |
| 05:29.29 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: ah, you meant RL3 not RC3 |
| 05:29.42 | SimonRaven | no i meant rc 3 |
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| 05:30.39 | thezanke | why when i am trying to use the proxy i made with xproxy in internet explorer it is asking me to download things like www.google.com |
| 05:30.51 | M_Cheevy | hmm, my inittab seems to have a runlevel 3..... |
| 05:31.54 | SimonRaven | yes, but it. does. nothing. other. than. be. the. same. as. runlevel. 2. |
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| 05:32.15 | nudenurd | can I update to 2.6 using apt-get? |
| 05:32.15 | M_Cheevy | but runlevel 2 is not xdm.. that's runlevel 5 |
| 05:32.27 | SimonRaven | ... |
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| 05:32.33 | SimonRaven | this isn't redhat |
| 05:32.45 | Caelum | I wrote my own broken init! for i in `ls /etc/rcS.d/S* /etc/rc2.d/S* | sort -k 1.13`; do $i start; done #:) |
| 05:32.47 | nudenurd | M_Cheevy: what init level is multi-user console with no X? |
| 05:32.52 | M_Cheevy | who said anything about redhat... it's been 5 since solaris |
| 05:33.00 | SimonRaven | or are you being purposefully dense? |
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| 05:33.29 | KerPlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/KetvyE33.html |
| 05:33.30 | gravity | M_Cheevy: Not in Debian |
| 05:33.36 | KerPlunk | Can someone go to that link and tell me what is wrong. |
| 05:33.42 | KerPlunk | I am trying to have java-package package jdk*bin |
| 05:33.45 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: ask SimonRaven... he seems to be the god of all knowledge today |
| 05:34.05 | SimonRaven | i'm not, i just know what i know |
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| 05:34.22 | SimonRaven | should have done that yesterday... |
| 05:34.23 | KerPlunk | SimonRaven: Can you go to my link? |
| 05:36.19 | SimonRaven | i haven't used make-jpkg |
| 05:36.51 | KerPlunk | gravity: Have you used make-jpkg? |
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| 05:38.19 | gravity | KerPlunk: No |
| 05:38.36 | gravity | Is that the java thingy? |
| 05:38.55 | KerPlunk | yea |
| 05:38.57 | ice_1963 | fakeroot is |
| 05:39.14 | KerPlunk | dpkg says no to let sun run it's java scripts...and use make-jpkg to package a deb. |
| 05:39.16 | cs18 | exit |
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| 05:39.19 | cs18 | exit |
| 05:39.19 | KerPlunk | But it doesn't work. |
| 05:39.19 | cs18 | exit |
| 05:39.36 | qiuxing | Hi Debianers, can I ask a simple question about cvs? :) |
| 05:39.58 | repp | sure |
| 05:40.07 | qiuxing | thanks repp :) Basically, I have two computers: home and department. |
| 05:40.15 | qiuxing | I can ssh to dept |
| 05:40.22 | qiuxing | only through a gateway |
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| 05:40.34 | qiuxing | so: home --> gateway --> dept |
| 05:40.35 | KerPlunk | qiuxing: I bet #cvs would be able to answer your question also. |
| 05:40.46 | repp | qiuxing: i'll be in #cvs |
| 05:40.49 | qiuxing | I've tried, that's a dead room :( |
| 05:40.50 | bleck | is there a way to find out what kernel module is linked to a file? eg: I am trying to find out the module that provides /dev/sda |
| 05:40.58 | qiuxing | OK, I'll see you there! |
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| 05:41.26 | dderr | I am trying to do a network install of sarge on a shuttle w/ a nForce3 chip set. It doesn't seem my network card, any suggestions? |
| 05:41.49 | dderr | s/seem/see/ |
| 05:41.55 | bleck | someguy: I have a working kernel, and I'm trying to compile a new one, and I don't know what driver to load for my sata controller, so I want to find out which module is loaded at the moment, that uses /dev/sda |
| 05:42.31 | Flimzy | Are the nforce 3/4 chipsets well supported by Linux? |
| 05:42.39 | M_Cheevy | bleck: do a lsmod and look for anything realted to scsi or sata |
| 05:42.49 | M_Cheevy | er related even |
| 05:43.32 | bleck | M_Cheevy : I did, though there are a damn lot of modules loaded |
| 05:43.36 | dderr | there is drivers you can download, but they assume you already of the os installed, ubuntu seemed to work well |
| 05:43.39 | bleck | and none of them seem to relate. |
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| 05:43.50 | M_Cheevy | bleck : did you pipe it through less|more? |
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| 05:44.24 | soapee01 | KerPlunk: I've used make-jpkg successfully on sarge. Are you on something newer? |
| 05:45.25 | M_Cheevy | soapee01: if memory serves he's trying to embed mpgs |
| 05:46.01 | KerPlunk | soapee01: I'm using sid |
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| 05:46.20 | KerPlunk | M_Cheevy: And use project looking glass |
| 05:46.33 | M_Cheevy | soapee01: then again I could be wrong... spoke too soon |
| 05:46.54 | KerPlunk | M_Cheevy: You were right. |
| 05:47.05 | KerPlunk | I just need to get jdk*bin packaged by make-jpkg and I can do the rest. |
| 05:47.13 | KerPlunk | But make-jpkg has like 3 options |
| 05:47.18 | KerPlunk | And verbose or logging isn't one of them. |
| 05:47.36 | M_Cheevy | KerPlunk: hence my "spoke too soon" ;0 |
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| 05:47.58 | bleck | M_Cheevy : thanks for your help. |
| 05:48.07 | M_Cheevy | bleck: de anda |
| 05:48.10 | M_Cheevy | er nada |
| 05:48.25 | M_Cheevy | okay, been typing too long.. starting to spoonerise..... |
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| 05:49.20 | nudenurd | Package nvidia-kernel-common is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 05:49.29 | nudenurd | since when is that unavailable? |
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| 05:49.52 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: have you considered just downloading nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com and installing it manually? |
| 05:49.55 | nimak2 | nap time, see ya in the morning |
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| 05:50.05 | M_Cheevy | bon nuit nimak2 |
| 05:50.06 | nudenurd | and what am I doing wrong? Everyone raves that installing stuff on Debian is easy... I'm tempted to go back to Slackware and the good ol' source code... |
| 05:50.21 | nudenurd | M_Cheevy: can't, needs kernel source |
| 05:50.27 | gravity | For some people that's easier. It depends on your preferences. |
| 05:50.35 | nudenurd | installed the kernel source, but it still won't work - can't find header files or something |
| 05:50.45 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: since I tend to build my own kernel that didn't pose a prob.. sorry |
| 05:50.59 | nudenurd | I've been compiling for 4 years... don't think I like all this binary crap... |
| 05:51.02 | shiftless | guys, i have very little experience with debian but am helping a friend set it up on his laptop over AIM. i had him install the 2.6.8 kernel source, he built a kernel, and just added a GRUB entry. quick question, is there anything else he needs to do that's special to debian to make the rest of the system recognize this new kernel as default (for example, when apt-get'ing a driver) or is he good to go? |
| 05:51.06 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: did you also download the kernel-header files for that kernel version? |
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| 05:51.17 | kingsley | nudenurd: Perhaps you could google for the exact error message. |
| 05:51.20 | nudenurd | nope - I'll try that now |
| 05:51.24 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: well Nvidia ain't going to give the details of it's acceleration schemes to just anyone |
| 05:51.26 | shiftless | i ask because on gentoo if i install a generic kernel, "emerge" still thinks of the "gentoo" kernel as the one i'm using |
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| 05:51.55 | nudenurd | M_Cheevy: true, but I was referring to apt-get, not NV |
| 05:52.49 | kingsley | shiftless: The only consideration that comes to my mind is re-booting. |
| 05:52.59 | M_Cheevy | shitftless: unless he needs an initrd he should be good to go.. grub will handle the kernel selection and once booted it should be considered the "default" |
| 05:53.41 | shiftless | cool, thank you guys |
| 05:53.56 | shiftless | a default, standard gentoo installation doesnt need an initrd does it? it's sarge BTW |
| 05:54.02 | nudenurd | thanks M_Cheevy, the headers solved my problems |
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| 05:54.04 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: one thing that apt-get handles that simply downloading tarballs doesn't is the dependencies... |
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| 05:54.37 | kingsley | shiftless: That's a better question for #gentoo, but my guess is that it would. |
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| 05:54.45 | shiftless | i apologize |
| 05:54.48 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: you should only need initrd if your boot drive or other goodies require userspace tools or modules to load to be recognised prior to real boot (at least I think those are the conditions) |
| 05:54.49 | shiftless | i meant debian, sorry had gentoo on the mind |
| 05:55.17 | nudenurd | M_Cheevy: which is why I'm considering it |
| 05:55.18 | shiftless | cheevy: thats what i thought. thanks |
| 05:55.23 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: most of us here are pretty laid back.. no need to keep apologising... |
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| 05:55.57 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: we may not be 100% correct all the time but at least we try to be pleasant ;) |
| 05:55.58 | kingsley | My recollection is that initrd is an acronym for initial ram disk, and it contains a disk image that does in ram with drivers for the hard disk. |
| 05:56.02 | shiftless | lol |
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| 05:56.17 | shiftless | kingsley: correct, however- this is a standard IDE system, no special drivers needed |
| 05:56.18 | M_Cheevy | kingsley: yeap... that's a good summation by my understanding of it |
| 05:56.26 | kingsley | s/does/goes/ |
| 05:56.31 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: than you should be okay without one |
| 05:56.34 | shiftless | i was just making sure that debian wasnt doing something odd |
| 05:56.37 | shiftless | which i didnt think it did |
| 05:56.42 | Caelum | there's no harm in using initrd images |
| 05:56.43 | M_Cheevy | 1963... that was a good year.... as long as you weren't Kennedy |
| 05:56.50 | kingsley | shiftless: I expect that even IDE hard drives need drivers. |
| 05:57.00 | nudenurd | right, the stock debian runlevels are horse crap! init 3, 4 and 5 are all the same! What's with that? |
| 05:57.08 | shiftless | kingsley: yes, but the BIOS supports IDE access long enough for the kernel to load its own accelerated drivers |
| 05:57.11 | soapee01 | Caelum: except on >2.6.12 |
| 05:57.19 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: I guess they just have to be different.... |
| 05:57.38 | Caelum | soapee01: hmm, really? I've always used make-kpkg --initrd with those too, and they worked fine |
| 05:57.45 | nudenurd | what's that meant to mean? :-\ |
| 05:58.08 | bucky | nudenurd, type runlevel - what does it say/ |
| 05:58.16 | kingsley | shiftless: Please let us know what happens. |
| 05:58.16 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: "you are in a maze of different unix versions all looking the same but subtly different" is how the badge used to go... |
| 05:58.22 | shiftless | kingsley: will do |
| 05:58.28 | nudenurd | 3 2 |
| 05:58.50 | soapee01 | Caelum: at least not on sarge. It took me a while before I finally found something [somewhere] that said that to be true (and fixed my probs). |
| 05:58.57 | nudenurd | squirt:~# runlevel |
| 05:58.57 | nudenurd | 3 2 |
| 05:59.12 | nudenurd | heh, figured I'd name the debian box appropriately :-) |
| 05:59.15 | Caelum | soapee01: ahh |
| 05:59.16 | bucky | nudenurd, which version of debian are you using? |
| 05:59.27 | nudenurd | latest as of 4 hours ago |
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| 05:59.55 | nudenurd | 3.1rc0 I think.. |
| 06:00.02 | justin_ | what is the chmod command that lets anyone execute a file? |
| 06:00.09 | shiftless | chmod a+x |
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| 06:00.12 | soapee01 | Caelum: something about kernel developers changing initrd in 2.6.12. I don't remember the details anymore. |
| 06:00.37 | M_Cheevy | soapee: didn't initrd update to initramfs? |
| 06:01.05 | Caelum | soapee01: yup, they did do that...and a I don't remember how many months ago, stock kernels didn't have cramfs, and that had to be a debian patch... |
| 06:02.01 | M_Cheevy | hmmm 1900... maybe I should consider dinner....... |
| 06:02.01 | soapee01 | M_Cheevy: I recall trying that too, w/o success. I eventually had to just blow initrd away (and my scsi disks since the driver was forced as a module and couldnt' be changed). 2.6.14 was a real Bi*ch b4 I finally got it running |
| 06:02.12 | SimonRaven | it did have cramfs, but debian's actually worked, or something |
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| 06:02.19 | KerPlunk | How can I make it so when I type JAVA_HOME=/usr/java; and I change my $PATH...that when I restart xterm/bash..it is the same. |
| 06:02.21 | nudenurd | bucky: what now? |
| 06:02.29 | KerPlunk | Everytime I restart xterm/bash it resets to what it was...it won't stay. |
| 06:02.43 | bucky | nudenurd, debian only runs in runlevel 2 |
| 06:02.57 | M_Cheevy | soapee: had a bit of a chore being able to boot from a sata raid0... still using initrd.. haven't even considered moving up in kernel till I've wrapped my head around what is going on 100% |
| 06:03.16 | nudenurd | so how do I stop and start X without dicking around with killing processes? |
| 06:03.39 | KerPlunk | control alt backspace |
| 06:03.40 | KerPlunk | startx |
| 06:03.44 | M_Cheevy | nudenurd: didn't the remove gdm help? |
| 06:03.49 | bucky | nudenurd, what your dm ? xdm ? |
| 06:03.50 | soapee01 | M_Cheevy: I thought that's one thing that the sarge installer set up really well. |
| 06:04.10 | SimonRaven | /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:04.12 | KerPlunk | How can I set variables in bash, and have them be permanent? |
| 06:04.14 | M_Cheevy | soapee01: not with existing partitions from other OS's on fakeraid |
| 06:04.50 | soapee01 | M_Cheevy: OUCH. I set mine up from scratch. That has to take balls to even try |
| 06:04.53 | M_Cheevy | KerPlunk: /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 06:05.02 | KerPlunk | Like I want JAVA_HOME=/usr/java ...but when I close xterm and restart it...it goes back to what it was. |
| 06:05.07 | M_Cheevy | soapee01: it did.. balls, valium and a lot of bourbon |
| 06:05.19 | nudenurd | the default... |
| 06:05.31 | nudenurd | I just installed everything as default off the net-inst CD |
| 06:05.42 | nudenurd | KerPlunk: that's what I was looking for - cheers |
| 06:05.48 | soapee01 | M_Cheevy: speaking of bourbon.... brb |
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| 06:06.05 | M_Cheevy | soapee01: Maker's Mark I hope.. not that cheap Jim Beam crap |
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| 06:07.37 | M_Cheevy | re loopdee |
| 06:07.56 | CryptoQuick | Hello everyone; I need to burn a DVD from an iso image. How would I do that under Debian? |
| 06:08.09 | repp | CryptoQuick: k3b if you like kde |
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| 06:08.44 | CryptoQuick | I am aware of k3b, however, the package manager won't install apt-get doesn't like testing releases. |
| 06:09.09 | CryptoQuick | I'm just using plain vanilla Debian running GNOME. |
| 06:09.09 | repp | ah, i see, sorry i can't help then |
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| 06:10.26 | Flimzy | Are the nforce 3/4 chipsets well supported by Linux? |
| 06:10.32 | cs18 | how can I get user input in awk? |
| 06:10.32 | CryptoQuick | Heh... I'm trying to install Kubuntu PPC, but I need to burn the disc first. How else could I do this under Debian? |
| 06:10.40 | nudenurd | how do I change startx to run KDE instead of Gnome? |
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| 06:11.21 | vega- | cs18: user input? |
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| 06:11.38 | streuner | nudenurd: s/exec startkde/exec gnome-session/? |
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| 06:11.56 | vega- | cs18: i believe awk reads stdin if that's what you mean |
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| 06:12.15 | nudenurd | streuner: ehh? I was thinking more like a config file location |
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| 06:12.26 | streuner | nudenurd: /msg dpkg wm |
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| 06:13.32 | nudenurd | thanks |
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| 06:14.32 | kingsley | cs18: man awk and look for section 9 on Input and output |
| 06:14.59 | nudenurd | liam@squirt:~$ update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 06:15.00 | nudenurd | -bash: update-alternatives: command not found |
| 06:15.23 | streuner | nudenurd: as root |
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| 06:15.56 | nudenurd | right |
| 06:15.59 | soapee01 | M_Cheevy: cheap rum actually. Out of bourbon. Oh well. |
| 06:16.06 | nudenurd | umm... metacity and kwin? |
| 06:16.11 | nudenurd | is kwin KDE? |
| 06:16.13 | kingsley | cs18: Perhaps something like "getline var /dev/tty" or "read x ; echo $x | getline var". |
| 06:16.27 | M_Cheevy | soapee01: sorry to hear that... cheap booze ain't good.. nasty hangovers |
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| 06:17.35 | M_Cheevy | damn... cmot dibbler was on channel? |
| 06:18.05 | streuner | !info kwin |
| 06:18.09 | dpkg | kwin: (the KDE window manager), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 945 kB, Installed size: 2834 kB |
| 06:18.19 | loxley_ | Flimzy: atleast nforce3 is |
| 06:18.33 | Flimzy | loxley_:; cool, thanks |
| 06:18.45 | CryptoQuick | Is there any good DVD image burning software out there that will run on my plain vanilla Debian installation? |
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| 06:19.41 | CryptoQuick | I couldn't get k3b to download with apt-get... It doesn't work with testing .deb files. |
| 06:19.49 | Flimzy | CryptoQuick: growisofs |
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| 06:20.18 | CryptoQuick | I looked at that, but the man file pointed me to a readme that was rather lacking. |
| 06:20.34 | Flimzy | The man page has everything you need to burn DVDs |
| 06:20.39 | Flimzy | you only need like 3 options |
| 06:20.42 | CryptoQuick | Hrm... |
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| 06:20.47 | cs18 | exit |
| 06:21.00 | CryptoQuick | Oh, I was using mkisofs. My bad. |
| 06:21.03 | beleys | Bonjour |
| 06:21.06 | CryptoQuick | I'll look at growisofs. |
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| 06:21.30 | chealer | !tell beleys about fr |
| 06:21.41 | Hartym | lol |
| 06:21.50 | Hartym | !tell hartym about fr |
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| 06:22.07 | M_Cheevy | rehi CMOT Dibbler |
| 06:22.08 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a good Socket A motherboard? I had a nForce2 based MSI board, but it died... |
| 06:22.13 | chealer | !tell Hartym about selftell |
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| 06:24.04 | Hartym | hum chealer, if i tell you i speak french and because of that message i discovered debian-fr, what'd you say? :p |
| 06:24.25 | CryptoQuick | Can't I just use nautilus burner to burn an ISO? Isn't there a way to do that? And verify that ISO, too? |
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| 06:24.35 | chealer | Hartym: great |
| 06:24.39 | M_Cheevy | Hartym: that dpkg did the job it was supposed to |
| 06:24.51 | odla | i have an icewm and i am curious if anyone uses icewm and could help me out? |
| 06:24.53 | chealer | but I don't find debian-fr very helpful |
| 06:24.58 | Hartym | yup but by self tell and then ........ |
| 06:24.59 | odla | icewm question that is |
| 06:25.05 | Hartym | hehe |
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| 06:25.42 | M_Cheevy | Hartym: is the lack of helpfulness in debian-fr because it's empty or because it's full... of the french ;) |
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| 06:25.58 | Hartym | dont know yet |
| 06:26.18 | M_Cheevy | Hartym: was just kidding around... |
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| 06:26.34 | Hartym | me not |
| 06:26.37 | Hartym | :p |
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| 06:26.50 | M_Cheevy | Hartym: c'est la vie, c'est la guerre |
| 06:26.59 | ludi | hello, is there shockwave flash for linux? my wife wants to play neopets. |
| 06:27.07 | jm_ | odla: yes |
| 06:27.23 | M_Cheevy | ludi: I believe there is..... at least for firefox |
| 06:27.27 | Hartym | meaningless i think but english people always love to show the 3 words they know in french |
| 06:27.40 | Hartym | do should i ask dpkg to redirect you to debian-fr? |
| 06:28.03 | Sneaky_Bastard | Chez Noir s'il vous plais ? |
| 06:28.04 | M_Cheevy | Hartym: je suis etudant du lang francais dans l'ecole for only 1/2 a bloody year so cut me a break ;) |
| 06:28.09 | Sneaky_Bastard | ;-) |
| 06:28.13 | Hartym | hehehe |
| 06:28.47 | Hartym | maybe it's more fun to see me speaking crap english no? so let's be back to shakespeare's language |
| 06:29.02 | M_Cheevy | I know the important bits... ou est la embassy du Novelle Zealand |
| 06:29.34 | Hartym | lol your french really -sounds- english even on an irc channel |
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| 06:30.02 | M_Cheevy | after only 1/2 a year in school what did you expect? |
| 06:30.28 | odla | jm_: there is this annoying ticker when i drag my window around my screen...how do i get rid of it? i've read the FAQs and the manuals...but i can't figure out how to turn the damn thing off |
| 06:30.46 | ludi | Sneaky_Bastard: Chez Noir? Mais, peut-etre nous habitons dans le maison de le matin? |
| 06:30.49 | M_Cheevy | odla: kde or gnome? |
| 06:30.51 | Hartym | i expect we speak english together |
| 06:30.58 | odla | M_Cheevy: icewm |
| 06:31.04 | Hartym | as i did when my american friend came to my house |
| 06:31.13 | jm_ | odla: you mean redrawing of window contents? |
| 06:31.18 | ludi | M_Cheevy: how about for epiphany? |
| 06:31.22 | M_Cheevy | odla: well... sorry, ain't played with that yet... |
| 06:31.24 | odla | jm_: yes i guess |
| 06:31.29 | ludi | M_Cheevy: how do I get shockwave flash for firefox? |
| 06:31.33 | jm_ | odla: you can disable opaque move |
| 06:31.35 | M_Cheevy | ludi: how about it... I'm wary of epiphanies since Paul |
| 06:31.42 | odla | jm_: so it's opaque move? |
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| 06:31.47 | M_Cheevy | ludi: ah.. one sec.... let me get you the link |
| 06:31.50 | chealer | !tell ludi about flash |
| 06:32.01 | jm_ | odla: yes, try disabling it and see if it helps |
| 06:32.07 | Hartym | ludi: you just said: at black's? but, maybe we live in the house the morning? hey crap what does that mean??? |
| 06:32.12 | jm_ | it has the same setting for resize |
| 06:32.17 | ludi | chealer: NOT flash, shockwave. |
| 06:32.23 | Hartym | !tell everybody about hors-sujet |
| 06:32.30 | chealer | !shockwave |
| 06:32.30 | dpkg | Macromedia Shockwave Player is non-free software not available for GNU/Linux. For "Shockwave Flash" (Flash), ask me about flash |
| 06:32.48 | chealer | ludi: shockwave flash, or macromedia shockwave player? |
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| 06:33.06 | odla | jm_: nope that's not it |
| 06:33.16 | M_Cheevy | ludi: try -- http://sdc.shockwave.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi? |
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| 06:33.54 | jm_ | odla: then I have no idea what you mean with ticker |
| 06:34.09 | odla | jm_: so i have this annoying ticker or whatever the hell it is at the top of my screen on my taskbox. when i drag a window it shows where it has moved...you know like 85x53+120+60 then those numbers change when i move to a new location |
| 06:34.18 | odla | jm_: i guess i don't mean ticker per se |
| 06:34.25 | chealer | M_Cheevy: useless, shockwave isn't available on GNU/Linux |
| 06:34.26 | ecliptik | will cat /proc/cpuinfo show all flags for the CPU, even if the kernel version is older? Will it recognize ones like SSE3? |
| 06:34.28 | odla | jm_: it's not always there only when i move a window |
| 06:34.38 | ludi | Hartym: Je ne sais pas! J'ai etudie le francais pour seulement 3 ans. Je dirais le francais comme une Parisien si je pourrais. |
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| 06:34.48 | rukos | anyone, I'm trying to create a library and do "ar -r libmiracl.a mr*.o" and then "gcc -lmiracl test.c" gives me linker errors but "gcc -lmiracl mr*.o test.c" works. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 06:34.53 | odla | jm_: so it only appears when i move a window and it's showing my placement on my screen |
| 06:35.13 | jm_ | odla: ahh tooltip? |
| 06:35.22 | ludi | chealer: what is the difference between shockwave flash and macromedia shockwave player? I thought the two different pieces were either A) flash or B) shockwave.... |
| 06:35.28 | odla | jm_: maybe... |
| 06:35.30 | Hartym | ludi: but whatever we're on an english channel, it's always the same when someone says 2 words of french, really same story each time |
| 06:35.42 | M_Cheevy | chealer: I'll be damned.. flash is available though |
| 06:36.00 | chealer | ludi: yes. but shockwave flash means flash. see wikipedia for more info |
| 06:37.00 | SerajewelKS | ecliptik: afaik the kernel gets that info directly from the cpu itself |
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| 06:37.17 | odla | jm_: yeah it's definitely something with clickmotion and dragging my windows but i'm not sure what |
| 06:37.21 | jm_ | odla: I don't think you can disable that, but maybe setting ToolTipDelay and ToolTipTime can give you some useful values |
| 06:38.15 | ecliptik | SerajewelKS, ummm, well I guess I didn't get lucky on this Sempron... ah well |
| 06:38.39 | SerajewelKS | ecliptik: well it's afaik. you can always try a newer kernel and prove me wrong. =) |
| 06:38.49 | ludi | chealer: I need macromedia shockwave player |
| 06:38.52 | ludi | for linux |
| 06:39.00 | chealer | ludi: then it's not available |
| 06:39.13 | ludi | crap, my wife will be upset---she can't play neopets lol |
| 06:39.24 | M_Cheevy | ludi: that's life for ya |
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| 06:39.40 | SerajewelKS | ludi: crossover office has a browser plugin that will proxy to a windows browser plugin |
| 06:39.41 | ecliptik | SerajewelKS, yeah, it's not a huge deal. It's a 64bit chip too but I'm going to wait till the next debian stable (yes, I know it'll be a while, but eh) |
| 06:39.44 | ecliptik | thanks for the help |
| 06:39.51 | chealer | ludi: does she like doing some reverse-engineering too? |
| 06:39.53 | SerajewelKS | ecliptik: np |
| 06:40.03 | M_Cheevy | ludi: that being said, I just got flash installed.... |
| 06:40.12 | Guerin | !pal M_Cheevy |
| 06:40.13 | ludi | chealer: no she is a simple desktop user. |
| 06:40.22 | M_Cheevy | heya SerajewelKS ... have any luck with bootsplash? |
| 06:40.23 | SerajewelKS | ludi: so if you get crossover you can install windows shockwave and it will work with firefox, mozilla, etc |
| 06:40.29 | ludi | M_Cheevy: yea, flash works great...just not shockwave. |
| 06:40.38 | chealer | ludi: too bad, she misses a nice opportunity |
| 06:40.40 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: nah, didn't feel like compiling a kernel |
| 06:40.41 | ludi | SerajewelKS: crossover support epiphany? |
| 06:40.49 | SerajewelKS | ludi: what's that |
| 06:41.05 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: can dig that.... luckily make -j 10 bzImage works pretty fast on my machine |
| 06:41.08 | odla | jm_: yay! |
| 06:41.12 | odla | jm_: i figured it out!!! |
| 06:41.12 | ludi | SerajewelKS: Epiphany is the GNOME web browser |
| 06:41.20 | SerajewelKS | ludi: oh. probably. |
| 06:41.24 | odla | jm_: i had to change ShowMoveSizeStatus = 0 |
| 06:41.34 | SerajewelKS | ludi: as long as epiphany uses the "standard" plugin directories |
| 06:41.48 | ludi | yea epiphany uses the standard mozilla plugin directories I think |
| 06:41.52 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: it's not about time, it's about hassle. just don't want to mess with it when my system works fine right now. |
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| 06:42.03 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: was told you might be the person to ask about setting up offsets in the MetaModes of display in XF86Config-4 for dualview on nvidia |
| 06:43.04 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: offsets? |
| 06:43.17 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i'm using twinview but i know nothing of these... offsets |
| 06:44.27 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: they allow me to adjust where the monitors overlap... in my case I have one monitor (21") at 1280x1024, the other (17") is at 1024x768.. just trying to get the images to show up side by side when I move a window from one display to the other rather than have it drop 2" on the smaller monitor |
| 06:44.53 | doubleukay | what's the lightest-weight MTA i could possibly install? |
| 06:44.57 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: e.g. MetaModes "1280x1024 +0+0, 1024x768 +120,1280) |
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| 06:45.38 | rukos | anyone, I'm trying to create a library and do "ar -r libmiracl.a mr*.o" and then "gcc -lmiracl test.c" gives me linker errors but "gcc -lmiracl mr*.o test.c" works. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 06:45.40 | doubleukay | i'm using it on the host OS (of virtual machines), so i'm trying to keep it as slim as possible |
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| 06:46.41 | odla | one more thing..how do i give myself permission to shutdown my computer from icewm? i can shut it down from gnome. when i click alt + ctrl + del shutdown and reboot are whited out |
| 06:46.43 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: +120,1280? O_o |
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| 06:46.55 | odla | i've looked at /etc/shutdown.allow |
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| 06:47.00 | odla | and added #user |
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| 06:47.19 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS; it's all in the nvidia README in section D... setting up DualView |
| 06:47.33 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: but +120? that's a hell of a lot of overlap |
| 06:47.46 | soapee01 | doubleukay: i've had good luck with postfix. low overhead, loads quick. I'm not running multiple hosts though, so YMMV. |
| 06:48.08 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: it was an example.... bad one mind you... good thing I checked as I thought the offset was in pixels |
| 06:48.20 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: it is in pixels |
| 06:48.25 | soapee01 | doubleukay: /s/hosts/virtual machines |
| 06:48.30 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: 120 pixels would overlap most of the monitor |
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| 06:48.43 | doubleukay | soapee01, actually i realized that the MTA doesn't need to be running all the time, so i think having exim4 will just be fine |
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| 06:49.15 | doubleukay | ..assuming that all mailing routines go through /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 06:49.34 | jm_ | odla: ahh cool, it's there indeed |
| 06:49.39 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: then I'm definately not understanding what those numbers are... with one at 1280x1024 I figured the x offset of the other would be 1280 and the Y would have to be whatever the difference is btween 1024 and 768 |
| 06:50.43 | jm_ | odla;shutdown.allow is only if you call shutdown command, so add it to your menu and it shall work (ShutdownCommand="shutdown blabla" |
| 06:50.45 | M_Cheevy | actually got the section wrong on the README file, it's section G |
| 06:50.50 | jm_ | too late |
| 06:52.04 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: what is the physical layout of your monitors |
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| 06:52.38 | M_Cheevy | SerrajewelKS: 21" on left, 17" on right.. bottom of monitors line up perfectly. 21 is @ 1280x768, 17 is @ 1024x768 |
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| 06:54.12 | jm_ | rukos: your link flags are wrong |
| 06:54.17 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I can cut the relevant sections of my XF86Config and paste them in flood if that will help at all |
| 06:54.21 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: oh that should work then.. i was reading it incorrectly |
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| 06:55.12 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: actually, there's some good tweaking settings in there.. I average about 350-400fps on both monitors using the Gears(GL) screensaver measurement |
| 06:55.36 | jm_ | is that with glxgears window stretched accross both? |
| 06:55.46 | M_Cheevy | jm: yeap |
| 06:55.53 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: what card? |
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| 06:55.58 | mhall | g'day all. Browser plugins really piss me off so I try to avoid installing them. Is there a way to get Firefox to allow me to treat plugin links (for example those that would start Windows Media Player on Windows) as files to download. |
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| 06:56.00 | M_Cheevy | jm: NVidia GeForce 4 TX |
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| 06:56.12 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: ahh yeah, then it's about expected value |
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| 06:56.29 | M_Cheevy | jm_: you were expecting more? ;) |
| 06:56.58 | jm_ | mhall: it's not trivial to download them if they're streaming videos, mplayer to the rescue |
| 06:57.05 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: not really, I also have Ti4200 |
| 06:57.16 | mhall | jm_: expected value *gasp* reminds me of Chi2 tests on stats final *dies* |
| 06:57.19 | M_Cheevy | jm_: running two monitors? |
| 06:57.25 | loopdee | was make-kpkg supposed to make a initrd? |
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| 06:57.43 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: only if you added the --initrd flag (I think) |
| 06:57.45 | soapee01 | loopdee: if you told it too. |
| 06:57.57 | M_Cheevy | that confirmed it |
| 06:58.00 | loopdee | :) |
| 06:58.02 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: no, I barely have space for one 19" CRT :) |
| 06:58.15 | jm_ | mhall: hehe, one of the last exams I passed too |
| 06:58.17 | M_Cheevy | jm_: studio apartment? ;) |
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| 06:58.26 | loopdee | hmm i suppose i cannot make it seperate because i didnt tell it to? |
| 06:58.44 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: naah, at home, I'll soon move to a new place where I'll have more space |
| 06:58.52 | mhall | jm_: yeah today i had two in a row |
| 06:58.53 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: I make my own initrd after using make-kpkg to do the rest.... |
| 06:59.01 | mhall | jm_: so i was taking exams from 7am to 3pm |
| 06:59.09 | M_Cheevy | jm_: can dig that... still a student? |
| 06:59.15 | loopdee | how so? |
| 06:59.21 | soapee01 | loopdee: If you want an initrd kernel you have to use the apropriate option. Otherwise it won't do it. dpkg will take care of the rest if it was compiled properly. |
| 06:59.22 | mhall | jm_: prog. lang. and statistics. not esp. fun. |
| 06:59.49 | Coke | How come some packages have totally different versions than the ones used by the actual software? |
| 06:59.54 | M_Cheevy | mhall: can you say, a future as a DBA ;) |
| 06:59.56 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: no, I never finished last 4 exams |
| 07:00.02 | loopdee | okay |
| 07:00.07 | jm_ | Coke: like? |
| 07:00.15 | M_Cheevy | jm_: rephrase.. still student-aged? ;) |
| 07:00.34 | mhall | M_Cheevy: not I |
| 07:00.38 | Coke | jm_: umbrello |
| 07:00.48 | mhall | M_Cheevy: I am headed in the direction of network security. |
| 07:01.03 | M_Cheevy | mhall: actually, the big bucks now are in Knowledge Management... now we got all this info, how do we find anything |
| 07:01.08 | jm_ | Coke: are you refering to epoch? |
| 07:01.10 | mhall | Coke: yes this can occur if we have security patched a stable package |
| 07:01.18 | Coke | jm_: in testing it has version string "Version: 4:3.3.2-3", I don't know how to translate that into version X of Umbrello |
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| 07:01.23 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: heh no, but I hope I'll get back to finishing it some day, I'm working full time now |
| 07:01.30 | mhall | M_Cheevy: yes; i will be working at a firm that has college funding support |
| 07:01.32 | Coke | I _pressume_ it is the 1.3 version because that is the last entry in the changelog file. |
| 07:01.42 | jm_ | Coke: is 3.3.2-3 not it? |
| 07:01.47 | M_Cheevy | jm_: just remember what John Lennon said... Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans |
| 07:01.54 | mhall | M_Cheevy: i will use this to purse a graduate degree in information science, economics, statistics, or german |
| 07:01.55 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: indeed |
| 07:02.00 | M_Cheevy | mhall: horray for workstudy |
| 07:02.11 | jm_ | Coke: ahh it's alligned with KDE version it seems |
| 07:02.19 | mhall | M_Cheevy: i am not eligible for work study; my father is a physician |
| 07:02.33 | M_Cheevy | jm_: was going to get my PhD in philosophy instead been doing IT work and teaching |
| 07:02.36 | mhall | M_Cheevy: therefore i owe him about $90,000 USD for my computer science degree |
| 07:02.37 | jm_ | Coke: Umbrello 1.4 -> KDE 3.4, Umbrello 1.3 -> KDE 3.3 |
| 07:02.43 | M_Cheevy | mhall: sorry to hear that |
| 07:02.53 | Coke | jm_: you're right |
| 07:02.54 | mhall | M_Cheevy: shit happens; this is the white man tax |
| 07:03.00 | Coke | seems like 1.5 only works with KDE 3.5 |
| 07:03.01 | M_Cheevy | mhall: both because I've worked with doctors and I know how expensive american uni's are |
| 07:03.29 | mhall | M_Cheevy: in america good performance is rewarded with stiff penalties |
| 07:03.31 | loopdee | okay that worked :) |
| 07:03.41 | M_Cheevy | mhall: that's why I got the hell out! ;) |
| 07:03.48 | mhall | M_Cheevy: to where, pray tell |
| 07:03.58 | M_Cheevy | mhall: New Zealand |
| 07:04.19 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: holy hell |
| 07:04.22 | M_Cheevy | mhall: but the bloody place is now over run with Narnia and LoTR fans |
| 07:04.25 | mhall | M_Cheevy: i heard that a libertarian government there a while ago massively cut taxes and gov't expenses and brought the country around |
| 07:04.26 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i can't get that high on both monitors |
| 07:04.30 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: what card do you have |
| 07:04.40 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: GeForce4 TX |
| 07:04.46 | mhall | M_Cheevy: about the narnia and LoTR fans; do you have sufficient numbers to LART them? |
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| 07:04.54 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: ah, i have an FX 5500 |
| 07:05.04 | M_Cheevy | mhall: taxes are high, but the return in government services is damn good |
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| 07:05.15 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: on both monitors i probably get about 40 fps or so |
| 07:05.25 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: isn't that a newer card than the TX? |
| 07:05.54 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i don't know |
| 07:06.00 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: hang a sec and I'll get the page that gave me the info for the speed boost |
| 07:07.06 | soapee01 | loopdee: you got your new kernel to boot? |
| 07:07.15 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: actually it's about 80 fps both monitors |
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| 07:07.45 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: you can probably improve that by a factor of 10 |
| 07:08.00 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: okay, maybe only 5 |
| 07:08.11 | M_Cheevy | bbias |
| 07:08.17 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: if you can pull that off for me i'll love you forever. in a purely platonic sense. |
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| 07:10.24 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 07:11.08 | M_Cheevy | jm_: that might help you too |
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| 07:11.49 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: will have a look, thanks |
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| 07:12.07 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: no worries, glad to share |
| 07:12.22 | M_Cheevy | <--- NOT a babyboomer... knows how to share ;) |
| 07:12.39 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: that's harsh |
| 07:13.06 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: tell me you weren't born before '58 please.. or I'll have to remove my foot from my mouth |
| 07:13.50 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: nah, i'm a college freshman |
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| 07:14.21 | SerajewelKS | is it safe to build kernel modules with a different gcc revision? e.g. kernel built with 4.0.2, building modules with 4.0.3 |
| 07:14.37 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I've been in the shadow of the baby boom all my life.. trust me, I came by my opinions honestly |
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| 07:15.54 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: can't say for sure, but it's sending off alarm bells for some reason... just import your options from your previous working kernel and do a remake |
| 07:16.28 | M_Cheevy | a full remake that is.. kernel and modules |
| 07:17.38 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: you mean.. from a stock debian kernel.. ? |
| 07:18.01 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: the options from your current kernel should be in /boot/options |
| 07:18.28 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i don't really want to build a kernel inside a vmware machine |
| 07:18.31 | M_Cheevy | it will have the same suffix as your kernel (e.g. 2-6-8) |
| 07:18.36 | rukos | anyone, I'm trying to create a library and do "ar -r libmiracl.a mr*.o" and then "gcc -lmiracl test.c" gives me linker errors but "gcc -lmiracl mr*.o test.c" works. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 07:18.45 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i looked at that page and i don't see any acceleration tweaks |
| 07:18.52 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: ugh.. within a vm... oy... |
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| 07:19.11 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: oh it's at the bottom |
| 07:19.28 | jm_ | rukos: I already told you, linker flags are wrong |
| 07:19.33 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: you're already using the "EnablePageFlip" and "RenderAccel" options? |
| 07:19.43 | loopdee | ugh, my brain has ahd enough for the nite, goodnight |
| 07:19.50 | M_Cheevy | nite loop |
| 07:20.05 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: don't think i am actually |
| 07:20.27 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: trust me, they speed things up considerably... as do the /etc/environment and /etc/modules lines |
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| 07:20.47 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: what is the benefit of blacklisting the agpgart etc modules? |
| 07:20.54 | rukos | jm_: okay, could you specify? |
| 07:21.14 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: because the AGP control in the driver is better than the one native to linux |
| 07:21.19 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: oh and did you set Option "NoLogo" "Yes" ? |
| 07:21.41 | nevyn | M_Cheevy: for crashy values of better |
| 07:21.55 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: left that one out as it's my confirmation that the nvidia driver is the one getting loaded |
| 07:22.08 | M_Cheevy | nevyn: crashy values? |
| 07:22.17 | shiftless | hey cheevy: cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 07:22.26 | shiftless | its hard to diagnose this stuff over AIM, but |
| 07:22.37 | shiftless | what immediately pops into your mind here? |
| 07:22.38 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: in what context??? |
| 07:22.42 | shiftless | grub.conf is correct |
| 07:22.51 | shiftless | correct drivers are compiled in kernel |
| 07:22.52 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: this is your first boot on the new kernel? |
| 07:22.59 | shiftless | yes, he is trying to boot |
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| 07:23.06 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: ah.. i turned it off 'cause it's hella annoying |
| 07:23.16 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: anyway, i changed that stuff. rebooting now. |
| 07:23.19 | jm_ | rukos: gcc test.c -lmiracl |
| 07:23.45 | shiftless | grub.conf: title line, root (hd0,1), kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.6.8 root=/dev/hda2 |
| 07:23.55 | shiftless | root partition is drive one, second partition |
| 07:23.57 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: hmmm, does sound like it's not actually loading the ide drivers.... |
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| 07:24.07 | shiftless | that's what i thought too |
| 07:24.08 | jm_ | shiftless: it's definitely not vmlinux |
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| 07:24.12 | shiftless | vmlinuz |
| 07:24.18 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: AH! got it... (HD0,0) |
| 07:24.20 | nevyn | M_Cheevy: some of the things that nvidia do to get extra performance breach security and in my opinion stability but that's all I'm gonna say about it. |
| 07:24.32 | jm_ | and you need to load initrd if it's not compiled in kernel |
| 07:24.33 | shiftless | hmm, all the other entries are set to (hd0,1) and they boot fine |
| 07:24.39 | rukos | jm_: so I just needed the -l after my files? |
| 07:24.44 | shiftless | IDE drivers are compiled in kernel |
| 07:24.48 | jm_ | rukos: yes |
| 07:24.54 | rukos | jm_: hehe, thanks |
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| 07:25.00 | M_Cheevy | nevyn: stability is probably not as much an issue on a workstation as it would be on a server |
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| 07:25.32 | shiftless | cheevy: why hd0,0 ? |
| 07:25.35 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: I think I saw your problem in the grub menu,lst... you say (hd0,1) you want it to boot on the SECOND partition on the drive? |
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| 07:25.39 | nevyn | M_Cheevy: maybe not for you. |
| 07:25.44 | shiftless | correct |
| 07:25.48 | shiftless | first partition is windows |
| 07:25.54 | shiftless | second linux root |
| 07:25.57 | nevyn | M_Cheevy: I'm just as likely to run a long running job on my workstation as not |
| 07:26.04 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: ah... worth a shot..... |
| 07:26.38 | greyson | What is firefox's policy regarding changing DNS servers? I switched, and now it doesn't resolve (which makes RTFMing quite difficult) |
| 07:26.41 | M_Cheevy | nevyn: so far I haven't crashed yet... but granted I'm not leaving it up overnight |
| 07:26.49 | jm_ | greyson: restart it |
| 07:26.59 | greyson | jm_: I have, four times now. |
| 07:27.04 | M_Cheevy | greyson: is anything resolving? |
| 07:27.12 | M_Cheevy | greyson: can you ping for example> |
| 07:27.14 | greyson | M_Cheevy: Yeah... I got here fine. |
| 07:27.17 | jm_ | greyson: then it shall work just fine, can ping resolve things? |
| 07:27.26 | nevyn | M_Cheevy: ummm... |
| 07:27.42 | M_Cheevy | nevyn: it's a crap shoot |
| 07:27.49 | greyson | jm_: Definitely. Pinged 'microsoft.com' (just because I know I'm never browsing there) |
| 07:27.51 | nevyn | {nevyn on bovine}:/usr/home/nevyn$ uptime |
| 07:27.52 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.21 | M_Cheevy | nevyn: lucky for me, this install is just a hobby install.. I have three other OS's for working on.. and a laptop as fallback |
| 07:28.55 | jm_ | greyson: then you're all set, using a proxy perhaps? |
| 07:29.22 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: sorry I dropped ya there.... |
| 07:29.37 | shiftless | thats ok, still scratchin my head here |
| 07:29.40 | M_Cheevy | hmmm.. 2030.... maybe I should think about food..... |
| 07:29.51 | greyson | *frown* no, no proxy, already checked that... |
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| 07:30.00 | jm_ | heh I've had my workstation run from Nov 28 2003 till Feb 14 2005 with Nvidia driver |
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| 07:30.05 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: during bootstrap can it a) see the drives, and b) the partitions? |
| 07:30.10 | jm_ | with X running all the time mind you, no single restart |
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| 07:30.18 | shiftless | cheevy: what do you mean? |
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| 07:30.28 | greyson | Also of note: using lynx to get to google results in "Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request." |
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| 07:30.41 | nm_ | !find libxxf86 |
| 07:30.43 | jm_ | yeah that's a known thing with lynx, it was fixed in newer version |
| 07:30.44 | shiftless | greyson: google has been outlawed |
| 07:30.48 | M_Cheevy | shiftless: during the bootstrap you should see some messages come up on screen... detecting cpus, hds, etc.... |
| 07:30.55 | shiftless | ah, let me ask |
| 07:31.15 | greyson | shiftless: ?? Hruh? |
| 07:31.22 | M_Cheevy | greyson: as a web developer I can say few of us consider programming for lynx anymore |
| 07:31.32 | shiftless | greyson: joking, lol |
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| 07:32.09 | greyson | M_Cheevy: Yeah, neither do I (code for lynx, or even text based) but it's as good a backup browser as any... and usually doesn't have a problem. |
| 07:32.16 | nevyn | M_Cheevy: so you don't put alt parameters in img(or object) tags? |
| 07:32.20 | greyson | Neither does slashdot, though. |
| 07:32.29 | greyson | Well... it works, that is. |
| 07:32.32 | M_Cheevy | nevyn: actually I do for the handicapped |
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| 07:33.14 | jm_ | greyson: bug 254515 for lynx |
| 07:33.14 | nevyn | oh so your pages work in lynx you just don't test it? |
| 07:33.14 | nevyn | the thing is. |
| 07:33.14 | M_Cheevy | nevyn: I just don't test in lynx |
| 07:33.15 | EdLin | when doing government work you sometimes *have to* provide for handicapped usage. |
| 07:33.15 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: now full-screen glxgears is 40fps... that's a lot less |
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| 07:33.35 | nevyn | if you're developing to the w3c spec with the disabilities acts in mind then it'll work in most browsers except ie. |
| 07:33.41 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: whoa... my performance went up... luck of the draw I guess... |
| 07:33.49 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 07:33.50 | greyson | EdLin: Yes, but the w3 makes good accomodations for accesibility without much in the way of needing workarounds. |
| 07:33.52 | nm_ | how do i install wine 0.9.3 on sarge ? |
| 07:34.00 | M_Cheevy | nevyn: I'm not in US jurisdiction... |
| 07:34.02 | greyson | <-- used to code for NASA (hangs head in shame) |
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| 07:34.18 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: and agpgart is still loaded for some reason, even though it's blacklisted O_o |
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| 07:34.20 | M_Cheevy | edlin??? now there's a blast from the past! |
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| 07:34.31 | shiftless | edlin... what a pos |
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| 07:34.33 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: hmmmmmm |
| 07:34.35 | nevyn | M_Cheevy: so. things that are good ideas don't stop being good ideas just because america legislated thme |
| 07:34.37 | SimonRaven | could be worse, could be HS |
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| 07:34.45 | nevyn | M_Cheevy: I'm not in a us juristiction either |
| 07:34.48 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: agpgart 35560 1 nvidia |
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| 07:35.05 | M_Cheevy | serajewelKS; mine's not loading... perhaps a typo in the blacklist? |
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| 07:35.15 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: there's a setting in config file that tells it which AGP method to use |
| 07:35.17 | EdLin | yes, even ed(1) is lots better than edlin. It's a nick I've had since BBS days. ("Ed Lin"), I had fun with people thinking it was a regular name. |
| 07:35.20 | torc | hi. there's a lsb package for sarge, should I install it? |
| 07:35.24 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: no... |
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| 07:35.37 | SerajewelKS | jm_: which config file might be helpful |
| 07:35.39 | M_Cheevy | SeraJewelKS: he's right... it's in the /etc/enviroment file |
| 07:35.44 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: XF86Config-4? |
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| 07:35.57 | SerajewelKS | jm_: xorg.conf, and i set that |
| 07:35.59 | greyson | Now I'm confused... lynx finds hosts, but links and firefox don't. |
| 07:36.02 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: same thing |
| 07:36.07 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: whoops... again, he was right... |
| 07:36.21 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: what are you going on about |
| 07:36.23 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I set my NvAgp to "3" |
| 07:36.58 | EdLin | brb |
| 07:37.03 | greyson | There is one thing worth mentioning... the new DNS server is this machine, and hosts internal names at 127.0.0.1 and a globally accessible dns cache (the normal server for the machines on the LAN) on the external IP. |
| 07:37.13 | jm_ | yeah NvAgp, it's explained in Nvidia's README |
| 07:37.24 | SerajewelKS | jm_: which is where? |
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| 07:37.38 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: dpkg -L nvidia-glx ;) |
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| 07:38.01 | SerajewelKS | jm_: ah, didn't know which package it was |
| 07:38.09 | greyson | Could the un-working clients be trying to shortcut around the IP I set in resolv.conf to say "hey, it's the same machine, I'll use 127.0.0.1 to be more concise!" |
| 07:38.19 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: in your xorg config in the Device section, add: Option "NvAgp" "3" that should prevent the agpgart from being used |
| 07:38.30 | jm_ | greyson: it should really not be any different for firefox, it uses system resolver just like the other apps, at least for me |
| 07:38.34 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: not according to this |
| 07:38.44 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: Option "NvAGP" "3" ... try AGPGART; if that fails, try NVAGP |
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| 07:38.56 | jm_ | yeah but I guess it didn't fail on your machine |
| 07:38.58 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: Option "NvAgp" "1" ... use NVAGP, if possible |
| 07:39.14 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: so how the hell is agpgart getting loaded |
| 07:39.32 | greyson | jm_: Actually... I think that's exactly what they're doing... I can resolve internal names, but not external ones. |
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| 07:39.35 | SerajewelKS | jm_: mine is set to "1" |
| 07:39.53 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: whoops.. been reading too many of these damn pages.... |
| 07:40.29 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: maybe it's loaded earlier - did you check if it gets loaded before you start X or after? |
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| 07:40.38 | jm_ | greyson: in firefox or in any client? |
| 07:40.57 | M_Cheevy | time I took a meal break.. starting to get all these tasks merging together in my head.... not good.... |
| 07:41.07 | greyson | firefox and links, but not lynx or irssi |
| 07:41.09 | SerajewelKS | jm_: i have kdm, so i don't really have an opportunity to check |
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| 07:41.51 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: you do, cat /proc/modules in an init script started before kdm, and in one after it is the simplest solution (or just modify kdm script itself if it's not bothering you) |
| 07:42.09 | greyson | Okay, that's odd... pinging just stopped resolving too. Is there somewhere that debian might be listing DNS servers that's not resolv.conf? |
| 07:42.20 | SerajewelKS | jm_: hrm okay.. |
| 07:42.49 | greyson | hehe... "host" gets it, "ping" doesn't |
| 07:43.08 | M_Cheevy | greyson: have you rebooted or restarted inet since you changed the nameservers? |
| 07:43.17 | jm_ | greyson: nscd if you have it installed |
| 07:43.29 | jm_ | host queries DNS directly, ping goes via resolver |
| 07:44.05 | greyson | M_Cheevy: No, I really don't reboot... except for kernel changes. |
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| 07:44.15 | jm_ | strace ping, see where it connects to |
| 07:44.21 | M_Cheevy | greyson: have you restarted inet at least? |
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| 07:45.20 | ra21vi | hello friends |
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| 07:47.21 | greyson | jm_: Yes.. nscd. That was the problem. Thank you! (I really shouldn't have it, anyway, since I'm already running a cache, and all requests are local) |
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| 07:48.29 | SerajewelKS | jm_: agpgart is loaded before kdm starts |
| 07:48.43 | M_Cheevy | quick question, is there a dvd player for debian that ignores region codes? |
| 07:48.44 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: so it sounds like blacklisting isn't working |
| 07:48.54 | SerajewelKS | jm_: it's blacklisted in hotplug |
| 07:48.56 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: mplayer |
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| 07:49.25 | SerajewelKS | jm_: should it be blacklisted in modprobe too? |
| 07:49.31 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: and it's not in modules file? |
| 07:49.33 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: do i need nforce drivers or anything to make this work? |
| 07:49.36 | SerajewelKS | jm_: no |
| 07:49.55 | greyson | cheers all, and thanks for the patience. |
| 07:49.58 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: yes, you need to be using the optimised nvidia driver (from www.nvidia.com) |
| 07:50.10 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: uhm |
| 07:50.17 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: not nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 07:50.34 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: that's the same thing |
| 07:50.42 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: it should be the same.... but I've never used the debian package... just compile it myself against my running kernel source |
| 07:50.43 | SerajewelKS | jm_: that's what i thought... |
| 07:50.58 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: that's what the package does |
| 07:51.03 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 07:51.22 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: thought so, but wasn't going to make a declaritive statement without personal experience to back it up |
| 07:51.23 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: then you need to find out what loads the module |
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| 07:51.50 | SerajewelKS | jm_: the only module depending on it is nvidia, according to lsmod |
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| 07:52.07 | ra21vi | I want some help setting my system as development platform |
| 07:52.14 | M_Cheevy | problem is, the debian package might put in some other load points..... |
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| 07:52.42 | SerajewelKS | is there some way i can completely blacklist the module short of moving the .ko out of the way? |
| 07:52.43 | ra21vi | anjuta+gcc4+kdevelop+qt-designer with all acripts and automake tools+glade... please kindly help me |
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| 07:53.06 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: fraid I can't say as I didn't have to work around the problem.... |
| 07:53.07 | SerajewelKS | ra21vi: apt-get install all of those things |
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| 07:53.25 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: this is more of a general module question |
| 07:53.41 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: so far I've been lucky with my modules |
| 07:54.06 | repp | SerajewelKS: rm'ing them sounds like a great solution to me |
| 07:54.14 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: now there were some lines to be added to /etc/modules |
| 07:54.21 | SerajewelKS | !pal repp |
| 07:54.32 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: there was one line, yes |
| 07:54.56 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS; if it's there then I'm stumped (for the now)... |
| 07:55.08 | ra21vi | SerajewelKS: i did install glade2 + anjuta +kdevelop3 + qt-designer 3.4 + gcc4 ... but still it halts on making project.. |
| 07:55.19 | M_Cheevy | hacking away at this system for the past 72 hrs has kinda left me a tad brain dead |
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| 07:55.38 | SerajewelKS | ra21vi: oh, well you didn't say that. "i need help" won't likely get you help if we don't know the problem. |
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| 07:56.15 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: btw, you in Kansas? (KS) |
| 07:56.22 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: no |
| 07:56.25 | god0fj00 | Hey. I'm having a problem with Linux. No program is currently using my sound card but for some reason XMMS doesn't want to play any audio, yet Firefox will |
| 07:56.28 | M_Cheevy | it was a guess |
| 07:56.29 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: not the first time i've been asked though ;) |
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| 07:56.52 | god0fj00 | I've tried top and killing a few processes... I've tried rebooting... I can get sound in root, but not as my normal account |
| 07:56.56 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: are you running a sound daemon? |
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| 07:56.59 | god0fj00 | Yeah |
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| 07:57.11 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: and XMMS is configured to play through that daemon? |
| 07:57.16 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: hell, I'm still trying to figure out your gender (not that it matters much)... for pronouns |
| 07:57.19 | god0fj00 | Yeah. It was working a few minutes ago |
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| 07:57.24 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: male |
| 07:57.34 | god0fj00 | Suddenly it stopped when Firefox tried to run some audio via a shockwave videdo |
| 07:57.35 | M_Cheevy | thanks... he/him/his... ;) |
| 07:57.53 | god0fj00 | video* Now XMMS won't play anything at all no matter how many times I reboot |
| 07:57.55 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: shockwave doesn't exist on linux |
| 07:58.05 | god0fj00 | Shockwave... flash... not sure which it is |
| 07:58.10 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: flash |
| 07:58.10 | god0fj00 | Just an animation online |
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| 07:58.28 | god0fj00 | (Shockwave doesn't exist on Linux? Hmm. Never knew that) |
| 07:58.35 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: anyway, likely firefox is playing straight to /dev/dsp or through arts and this is confusing the sound daemon |
| 07:58.40 | M_Cheevy | now to toss out a tid bit I learned today.. no Shockwave for linux |
| 07:58.45 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: flash does, shockwave does not. |
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| 07:58.48 | Bogaurd | argh, my promise 20269 controller card keeps killing my box.... i've no idea why.... |
| 07:58.57 | god0fj00 | Can I not play from two different audio sources at one time? |
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| 07:59.02 | Bogaurd | it just locks up, listing a DMA error in the syslog |
| 07:59.05 | ra21vi | SerajewelKS: ok, i did say the problme.. now can u help me setting ur the dev platform |
| 07:59.23 | M_Cheevy | damn... 9pm and it's still light outside.... sumer is a cummin in |
| 07:59.34 | SerajewelKS | ra21vi: i don't know how to troubleshoot build problems. i thought you needed packages installed.. that's why i responded. |
| 07:59.43 | kapil | god0fj00: use alsa and dmix or jack to play/mix multiple sources |
| 08:00.02 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: alias it to off? |
| 08:00.19 | SerajewelKS | jm_: hrm would an alias be loading it then? |
| 08:00.22 | god0fj00 | Hmm... running XMMS gives me audio |
| 08:00.31 | god0fj00 | What exactly should I be looking for to fix this? |
| 08:00.39 | SerajewelKS | jm_: modules.conf:alias char-major-10-175 agpgart |
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| 08:01.04 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: see kapil's comment |
| 08:01.06 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: yes ;) |
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| 08:01.19 | SerajewelKS | jm_: so change that to off, or comment it out? |
| 08:01.24 | god0fj00 | Aye, I see that. But I enjoy XMMS. It can't be possible that XMMS is permantly dead |
| 08:01.29 | jm_ | godf0;ALSA + dmix or buy a better card |
| 08:01.37 | jm_ | god0fj00 ^^^^^ |
| 08:01.40 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: you can use xmms |
| 08:01.47 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: whichever cuts it for you |
| 08:01.55 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: alsa and dmix are sound driver-type thingies, not media players |
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| 08:02.07 | god0fj00 | Oh. Hmm... I is teh stupid |
| 08:02.10 | SerajewelKS | god0fj00: more specifically, alsa is an audio architecture, and dmix is an alsa plugin |
| 08:02.29 | SerajewelKS | brb going to reboot again |
| 08:02.30 | M_Cheevy | god0fj00: shall I point you to the Linux Documentation Project? (www.tldp.org) |
| 08:02.47 | god0fj00 | No no, I know where it is. I just needed a point in the right direction |
| 08:02.48 | god0fj00 | Thanks |
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| 08:02.59 | jm_ | !tell god0fj00 -about dmix |
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| 08:04.57 | M_Cheevy | welp folks.. 3hrs in this chair is playing holy hell with my back... ciao folks |
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| 08:05.02 | ra21vi | any c/c++ developer here... for GTK & Qt development |
| 08:05.13 | god0fj00 | Well, thanks a lot. You guys have been a huge help :D. S0rry for teh suck on my end |
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| 08:07.27 | thundr | ra21vi, try in #Gtk and/or #gtk+ or #qt as well |
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| 08:08.29 | SerajewelKS | jm_: commented out the alias and agpgart is still loaded |
| 08:08.41 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: maybe aliasing it to off will work then |
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| 08:08.56 | SerajewelKS | jm_: what's the syntax? "alias off agpgart"? |
| 08:09.21 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: no, "alias alias_name result" - it's in man modules.conf |
| 08:09.43 | SerajewelKS | jm_: so alias agpgart off? |
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| 08:12.58 | ma3x | hello need some help please |
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| 08:13.14 | ma3x | I can't boot anymore since I've upgraded the kernel image to the same version |
| 08:13.31 | ma3x | and now I get this error on bootup /sys/block/hda/dev: No such file or directory |
| 08:13.41 | streuner | ma3x: did you get a knoppix-CD? |
| 08:13.42 | ma3x | I've tried to boot with the knoppix CD, and to chroot to it |
| 08:13.48 | ma3x | hi streuner, glad you're here |
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| 08:14.00 | ra21vi | isnt here any c developer |
| 08:14.10 | ma3x | then I've done that, and mount an external cd with the linux-image on it |
| 08:14.14 | ra21vi | i need urgent help making my project |
| 08:14.15 | ma3x | and then during the installation I get this error: |
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| 08:14.24 | ma3x | yaird error: can't open /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| 08:14.42 | maatttt | do |
| 08:14.47 | SerajewelKS | jm_: of course that didn't work either |
| 08:14.59 | ra21vi | *please* I want to make my project in GTK using Anjuta and c++ ... using OpenGl if required... |
| 08:15.04 | ma3x | streuner what should I do? |
| 08:15.15 | streuner | ma3x: you were able to eject the knoppix-CD? |
| 08:15.18 | maatttt | do I need to restart my system to apply changes to mime.types ? |
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| 08:15.30 | ma3x | streuner yes, but only after I did 'knoppix toram' |
| 08:15.40 | streuner | ma3x: hm |
| 08:15.48 | SerajewelKS | jm_: dmesg doesn't say anything weird |
| 08:15.51 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: wtf |
| 08:15.58 | streuner | ma3x: so you chrooted it and used 'dpkg -i package'? |
| 08:16.03 | ma3x | streuner exactly |
| 08:16.08 | ma3x | and i got that yield error |
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| 08:16.31 | SerajewelKS | jm_: hrm... agpgart is loading after ndiswrapper, but before nvidia. nvidia follows ndiswrapper in /etc/modules |
| 08:16.42 | SerajewelKS | jm_: so it looks like the nvidia module wants to load agpgart |
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| 08:17.53 | ma3x | streuner did some brilliant idea come on your mind? |
| 08:18.04 | streuner | ma3x: udev is installed on your system? |
| 08:18.41 | SerajewelKS | jm_: intersting, /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status says it's using nvidia's agp though |
| 08:18.43 | ma3x | streuner I have hardly knowledge of that. You mean on the debian partition? |
| 08:19.02 | streuner | ma3x: yes, chroot it and run dpkg -l udev |
| 08:19.05 | SerajewelKS | jm_: so i don't even have a clue what's going on with anything |
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| 08:19.56 | ma3x | streuner and then what, if I have it installed? |
| 08:20.16 | ma3x | streuner here, check this out: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-s390@lists.debian.org/msg01674.html |
| 08:20.16 | SerajewelKS | jm_: *shrug* |
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| 08:21.36 | ma3x | streuner can you pull some smart solution from that link? me, not |
| 08:22.01 | ma3x | streuner but something has to do with that devfs I guess |
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| 08:23.16 | streuner | ma3x: your are using unstable, right? |
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| 08:23.36 | ma3x | streuner yeah |
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| 08:23.59 | streuner | ma3x: sounds like a bug in mkinitrd package... |
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| 08:24.26 | AM|R | hi.. i want to install xwindows on debian already apt-get kde Xfree.. |
| 08:24.38 | ma3x | streuner here again the same problem http://lists.debian.org/debian-s390/2005/11/msg00012.html |
| 08:24.46 | AM|R | but what i know i need to apt-get one more to autoconfigure the X |
| 08:24.55 | AM|R | what is the package? need help |
| 08:25.08 | ma3x | streuner what can I do about it now? |
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| 08:26.09 | AM|R | hi anyone? |
| 08:26.41 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: ok, is there any reason why agpgart module is bothering you? |
| 08:26.45 | ma3x | !ops onjoin-flood from 85.101.107.161 |
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| 08:27.05 | torc | wonder why vlan package is not on netinst. had to install servers connected to vlan trunks several times :/ |
| 08:27.09 | ma3x | uhm that wasn't exactly some flood, but anyway |
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| 08:28.34 | streuner | ma3x: did you look at BTS for a bug yet? |
| 08:29.43 | streuner | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=initrd-tools |
| 08:30.15 | jm_ | !tell amir -about setup x |
| 08:30.29 | jm_ | wait, that was for AM|R, stupid nicks |
| 08:30.30 | ma3x | well at the time I've installed it, it didn't warn me about any bugs |
| 08:31.36 | streuner | ma3x: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 08:31.38 | ma3x | dammit! |
| 08:31.44 | ma3x | streuner I already got them |
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| 08:31.57 | ma3x | that's why I told you, it didn't warn me about 'em |
| 08:32.19 | AM|R | !tell am|r -about setup x |
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| 08:32.33 | AM|R | that is rite |
| 08:32.44 | ma3x | so streuner let's cut to the chase : what should I do: install older linux-image, install older version of initrd-tools or what? |
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| 08:33.30 | streuner | ma3x: install the other kernel, remove udev and install a older verion of initrd-tools |
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| 08:35.34 | ma3x | streuner : this linux-image-2.6-686_2.6.14-5_i386.deb = 13,6 kbytes only and it depends on 2.6.14 which is not installable |
| 08:35.37 | ma3x | so how am i supposed so install it? |
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| 08:36.08 | streuner | ma3x: what kernel did you use before? |
| 08:36.08 | ma3x | and streuner I think ther's only one version of initrd-tools |
| 08:36.20 | ma3x | streuner: 2.6.11 but that one has been removed from dpo |
| 08:36.34 | streuner | ma3x: good, use that one |
| 08:36.38 | ma3x | streuner and plus I've completly deleted it from my machine |
| 08:36.51 | ma3x | streuner how? |
| 08:37.05 | streuner | ma3x: download and install it via dpkg -i? |
| 08:37.17 | jm_ | !tell ma3x about sdn |
| 08:37.41 | ma3x | do I need also the linux-modules for 2.6.11 ? |
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| 08:38.39 | streuner | linux-modules? |
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| 08:39.29 | ma3x | streuner yeah |
| 08:39.50 | ma3x | I don't remember anymore, did I have before 2.6.11-686 (because that package doesnt exist anymore) |
| 08:39.53 | ma3x | or 2.6.8-11? |
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| 08:40.32 | maatttt | Sargea dn apache, is there any way to test is apache can use mime.types correctly ? |
| 08:40.32 | streuner | ma3x: dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.11-blah-blah |
| 08:40.53 | ma3x | streuner I can't find the package in the snapshots! |
| 08:40.54 | streuner | ma3x: it should show you if its installed or rc (removed) |
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| 08:41.06 | jm_ | maatttt: apache config file has a setting for that |
| 08:41.18 | streuner | ma3x: what kernel was installed before? |
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| 08:41.30 | maatttt | a setting to use or not use mime.types ? |
| 08:41.39 | ircdevil | peculiar - i have had sl installed for years without being caugth. i was reflecting on that a few weeks ago, and just now, it got me for the third time in a week! |
| 08:41.46 | streuner | ma3x: did you look in the cache yet? |
| 08:41.48 | ircdevil | i may need to clean my keyboard |
| 08:42.01 | ma3x | streuner I always clean the cache |
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| 08:42.13 | maatttt | TypesConfig /etc/mime.types |
| 08:42.13 | streuner | ma3x: good idea |
| 08:42.25 | alumno | wenas |
| 08:42.30 | ma3x | really? tell me about it |
| 08:42.44 | streuner | ma3x: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 08:42.59 | streuner | </joke> |
| 08:43.08 | ma3x | streuner it will just display the 2.6.14 one |
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| 08:43.51 | alumno | some one spanish |
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| 08:44.33 | streuner | ma3x: ok, just get an 2.6.9 kernel |
| 08:44.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:44.34 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:45.15 | streuner | ma3x: _AND_ a older version of initrd-tools package |
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| 08:45.34 | streuner | ma3x: what does 'dpkg -l udev' say? |
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| 08:46.00 | ma3x | streuner I would have to reboot to know that |
| 08:46.09 | ma3x | streuner there is NO older version of initrd-tools |
| 08:46.16 | streuner | !sdn |
| 08:46.16 | dpkg | hmm... sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 08:46.23 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: did you figure out your nvidia thing? |
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| 08:47.37 | ma3x | streuner anyway, can't I do something from the dash shell? |
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| 08:48.48 | ma3x | streuner I got initrd-tools_0.1.83.tar.gz |
| 08:48.52 | ma3x | now how do I install that? |
| 08:49.30 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: well, i tried doing 'NvAGP' too, but i had to stick an entry in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/local listing intel_agp and agpgart, also stuck 'blacklist agpgart' and 'blacklist intel_agp' in /etc/udev/blacklist as well. latter didn't work, but the first did. so when i do 'cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status' it lists the nvidia agp module |
| 08:49.38 | streuner | ma3x: no, use a deb |
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| 08:50.46 | streuner | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/10/18/debian/pool/main/i/initrd-tools/ |
| 08:50.47 | jm_ | SimonRaven: SerajewelKS said it was blacklisted but it was still being loaded, then we tried alaising it to off but it was still loaded, and status showed Nvidia's was used |
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| 08:51.22 | jm_ | or is anyway |
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| 08:51.28 | SimonRaven | i don't have it loaded AFAIK. lemme check. oh, i had to modprobe -r agpgart nvidia ... |
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| 08:51.50 | SimonRaven | the xserver loads it |
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| 08:52.06 | SimonRaven | 'cause i started x up right after modprobe -r |
| 08:52.16 | SimonRaven | (and checked lsmod) |
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| 08:52.36 | jm_ | apparently it was loaded before kdm starts ;) |
| 08:52.37 | torc | i see a Segmentation fault before the kjournald is started, how do I know what is it? |
| 08:52.49 | SimonRaven | yeh. by x |
| 08:53.10 | jm_ | X doesn't start before kdm ;) |
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| 08:55.09 | SimonRaven | yes it does. kdm won't start without the x server daemon |
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| 08:55.38 | jm_ | no, it gets started by kdm |
| 08:55.41 | SimonRaven | misconfigure your xserver, and try to start kdm or some other dm |
| 08:56.05 | jm_ | no doubt ;) |
| 08:56.10 | SimonRaven | yeh, you're right |
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| 08:56.46 | intrade | hi |
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| 08:58.09 | intrade | anyone home? |
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| 08:58.15 | jm_ | no, I'm at work |
| 08:58.24 | intrade | ok |
| 08:58.30 | SimonRaven | torc: off the top of my head, it's a kernel bug, or the journal is fucked and needs replaying, or the fs needs an fsck |
| 08:58.34 | streuner | !ask |
| 08:58.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:58.39 | intrade | do you need real names in here due to cloaks? |
| 08:58.59 | streuner | no |
| 08:59.11 | SimonRaven | people use what they use |
| 08:59.19 | intrade | ok |
| 08:59.24 | SimonRaven | they have their own reasons |
| 08:59.46 | intrade | you bloked aol? |
| 09:00.13 | SimonRaven | no i did not |
| 09:00.31 | intrade | ok wierd some recon aol was bloked |
| 09:01.12 | intrade | ok antway i am off again see yu |
| 09:01.16 | intrade | any |
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| 09:01.59 | SimonRaven | oookaay |
| 09:02.04 | possie | i have a installed which uses rpm files to install stuff, but i don't have a /var/lib/rpm directory can i just create it or should i do this in some "Debian way" ? |
| 09:02.14 | SimonRaven | alien |
| 09:02.24 | jm_ | create it, man rpm for details |
| 09:02.32 | jm_ | and /usr/share/doc/rpm/* |
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| 09:03.45 | user_ | hy, i've got a big problem with my dhcp failover service , i know it's not the right place to talk about this but ... someone knows how to restart the twin dhcpd ? |
| 09:05.32 | UniXoiDe | hi all |
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| 09:06.22 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 09:06.23 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12h 11m 57s ago, saying: '!backports'. |
| 09:06.29 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 09:06.30 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 09:11.58 | SerajewelKS | if i want a certain app to start up with KDE, can i symlink it somewhere or do i need to make a .desktop and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart |
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| 09:12.23 | SerajewelKS | granted i could just symlink the .desktop file... |
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| 09:13.22 | jm_ | On startup, KDesktop will also open/run all documents and applications found in the Autostart path. The Autostart path can be configured in the Control Center in the Paths section. By default the autostart path is equal to $KDEHOME/Autostart . |
| 09:13.27 | jm_ | that's what the web page says |
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| 09:20.41 | streuner | !spambots |
| 09:20.42 | dpkg | spambots are annoying. If you want to prevent the messages from coming at you incessantly, go to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots and read up. |
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| 09:21.33 | saintiss | hi |
| 09:21.35 | saintiss | are there known problems with oom-killer being activated too often? |
| 09:21.35 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 09:21.35 | dpkg | nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds or just "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
| 09:21.37 | saintiss | testing distro... |
| 09:21.39 | saintiss | etch |
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| 09:42.21 | alumno16 | hi fer |
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| 09:42.29 | ruf | hi |
| 09:42.48 | ElVakilla | hellooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 09:42.58 | ElVakilla | Im Muzzy |
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| 09:43.06 | ElVakilla | The big Muzzyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 09:43.12 | fer | ey vakilla |
| 09:43.32 | ElVakilla | uhhhhhhhhhhhh k m banean |
| 09:43.43 | streuner | ElVakilla: troll somewhere else |
| 09:43.49 | fer | no te banean no tienen huevos |
| 09:43.55 | ElVakilla | fuck you |
| 09:44.05 | SerajewelKS | !troll ElVakilla |
| 09:44.20 | Eclipser | ElVakilla, language... |
| 09:44.21 | ElVakilla | troll your mother |
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| 09:44.49 | SerajewelKS | Eclipser: swearing is allowed. though directly insulting a #debian regular is frowned upon... |
| 09:44.58 | SerajewelKS | !ops ElVakilla trolling |
| 09:44.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ElVakilla trolling |
| 09:44.59 | ElVakilla | im sorry |
| 09:45.03 | Eclipser | it's still very rude |
| 09:45.12 | ElVakilla | :( |
| 09:45.19 | streuner | 'fer' and 'ElVakilla' have the same IP 223.Red-213-96-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net |
| 09:45.29 | ElVakilla | ohhhhhhhh |
| 09:45.42 | ElVakilla | your very frfiki |
| 09:45.53 | SerajewelKS | wtf is frfiki |
| 09:46.02 | ElVakilla | freak in spanish |
| 09:46.23 | alumno16 | is a tipical spanish |
| 09:46.31 | ElVakilla | jajajja |
| 09:46.37 | SerajewelKS | !es |
| 09:46.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:46.40 | SerajewelKS | go bug them |
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| 09:47.15 | SerajewelKS | and no, frfiki is not spanish |
| 09:47.15 | ElVakilla | 8=========D for english people |
| 09:47.44 | ElVakilla | ciao |
| 09:47.56 | SerajewelKS | clever |
| 09:48.00 | ircdevil | someone make sure he doesnt return |
| 09:48.12 | jm_ | couldn't find ascii art of goatse for spanish people so fast :P |
| 09:48.22 | streuner | s(he) is still here... |
| 09:48.44 | SerajewelKS | streuner: indeed |
| 09:48.53 | ircdevil | jm_ =()= ? |
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| 09:50.07 | SimonRaven | yet another bunch of idiots... *sigh* |
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| 09:51.17 | torc | ext3+journal=data+sync-mount is the most reliable fs out there? |
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| 09:53.44 | hawking | I have just installed debian but I have made the configuration of x wrong how can i run that configuration screen that runs during install where you choose the module and the screen settings? |
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| 09:55.11 | SerajewelKS | !drxx hawking |
| 09:55.11 | dpkg | hawking: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:55.59 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 09:56.27 | hawking | btw how can i learn what module I should choose there?(vesa,sis etc.) I guess I need to learn what my screen card is right? |
| 09:56.28 | lehmama | how can i build a macro package like the kde one, which consists of other package dependencies only? |
| 09:57.00 | SerajewelKS | hawking: yes |
| 09:57.05 | SimonRaven | they're called meta packages |
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| 09:59.05 | hawking | SerajewelKS : I have a 15.0" XGA TFT LCD screen |
| 09:59.23 | Coke | A tad OT, but what the heck, any Umbrello users who knows how to make the association arrows bend? I can only make them go in straight lines, would like 90 degree bends to make them warp around other diagrams. |
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| 09:59.38 | hawking | which module should i choose? |
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| 09:59.57 | Eclipser | hawking, your screen has nothing to do with that |
| 10:00.02 | Eclipser | hawking, what graphics card do you have |
| 10:00.39 | hawking | Eclipser : hmm I am under windows right now :/ how can i look what graphics-card I have in windows? |
| 10:00.49 | Coke | ah, found it. double-click. damn I hate GUI's. |
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| 10:00.54 | OUAH | hi |
| 10:00.55 | jm_ | Hawkwind: device manager |
| 10:01.06 | Eclipser | hawking, or dxdiag |
| 10:01.11 | SerajewelKS | windows needs lspci =/ |
| 10:01.21 | hawking | Eclipser : what's dxdiag? |
| 10:01.21 | OUAH | when you install the glibc binary package, how do you know for which kernel it is? |
| 10:01.34 | OUAH | i installed the latest testing package |
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| 10:01.36 | Eclipser | hawking, start -> run, type dxdiag and press enter to see for yourself |
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| 10:01.39 | SerajewelKS | OUAH: afaik glibc has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 10:01.46 | SimonRaven | uh, what? |
| 10:01.55 | SimonRaven | *blink* |
| 10:01.56 | OUAH | SerajewelKS: it is the glibc which provide the /usr/include/linux files |
| 10:02.15 | SimonRaven | OUAH: linux-kernel-headers. it's split out |
| 10:02.43 | OUAH | what? |
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| 10:02.54 | SerajewelKS | feel the confusion |
| 10:02.57 | surface | j /#myoss |
| 10:03.03 | SimonRaven | it's split out into its own package in debian |
| 10:03.09 | SerajewelKS | surface: wtf |
| 10:03.12 | OUAH | in the glibc configure you can specify --enable_kernel=version |
| 10:03.22 | surface | sorry, mistype slash |
| 10:03.32 | hawking | Eclipser : Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipser |
| 10:03.34 | surface | i am joining another room, sorry |
| 10:03.38 | hawking | chipset* |
| 10:03.41 | OUAH | but linux-kernel-headers are the kernel headers in /usr/src/linux not in /usr/include/linux no? |
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| 10:03.55 | SerajewelKS | !room |
| 10:03.55 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 10:04.02 | SimonRaven | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.13+0rc3-2 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 10:04.13 | SimonRaven | different packages |
| 10:04.23 | OUAH | hum yes i have the same for a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:04.32 | OUAH | that's the problem.. |
| 10:04.35 | hawking | I have this graphics card "Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset" which module should i choose? |
| 10:04.43 | SimonRaven | yes. it's the linux kernel headers that come from glibc source |
| 10:04.45 | jm_ | I feel sorry for you ;( |
| 10:04.56 | OUAH | ok thanks SimonRaven |
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| 10:05.30 | OUAH | and how can i find a linux-kernel-headers package for 2.4 kernel? |
| 10:05.37 | yearnx | Hi guy |
| 10:05.40 | yearnx | ;) |
| 10:05.42 | OUAH | (or where:) |
| 10:05.43 | EmleyMoor | Has anyone experienced a problem with xsnow stopping? Possible popup alerts from web sites are causing it to stick, but when it does, snow stops, trees are not refreshed, Santa et al don't move and it only responds to signal 9. Its creator appears to have vanished - though Debian still has a package manager |
| 10:05.50 | yearnx | Anybody here? |
| 10:05.53 | Guerin | OUAH: you don't need one |
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| 10:05.57 | SimonRaven | you don't? :) |
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| 10:06.09 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: let me run it overnight and we'll see what happens tomorrow |
| 10:06.12 | Guerin | OUAH: linux-kernel-headers is the generic kernel api for binary userspace apps |
| 10:06.17 | mhall | Browser plugins really piss me off so I try to avoid installing them. Is there a way to get Firefox to allow me to treat plugin links (for example those that would start Windows Media Player on Windows) as files to download. |
| 10:06.21 | SimonRaven | yearnx: no, no one but us 730+ people |
| 10:06.33 | Guerin | linux-headers are the packages contain all the specific version headers |
| 10:06.34 | SerajewelKS | mhall: disable the plugins |
| 10:06.39 | yearnx | What? |
| 10:06.39 | hawking | SerajewelKS : I have this graphics card "Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset" which module should i choose? |
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| 10:06.52 | yearnx | 730+ |
| 10:06.53 | OUAH | Guerin: i have a linux-kernel-headers package for 2.6 and i have 2.4 kernel |
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| 10:06.56 | SerajewelKS | hawking: try vesa |
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| 10:07.35 | hawking | and for the screen configuration? |
| 10:07.41 | SerajewelKS | mhall: if you also install adblock it will show the little adblock tab, which is a nice roundabout way of getting the url of the plugin content |
| 10:07.42 | SimonRaven | yearnx: means more than 730 |
| 10:07.55 | SerajewelKS | hawking: what "screen configuration" |
| 10:08.01 | Guerin | OUAH: apt-cache show linux-kernel-headers |
| 10:08.01 | hawking | this number x number @ number ghz thing |
| 10:08.04 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: also just plain blocking the fucking things ;) |
| 10:08.21 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: yes but that doesn't quite answer mhall's question |
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| 10:08.23 | EmleyMoor | hawking: Do you have the spec. sheet for the monitor?> |
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| 10:08.38 | SimonRaven | mhall: what was that kde spolight/beagle thingy called again? |
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| 10:08.44 | SerajewelKS | hawking: ghz? they hey ghz refresh rates now?! |
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| 10:08.46 | SimonRaven | spot* |
| 10:08.49 | OUAH | Guerin: as i said it is for 2.6 and i need one for 2.4 |
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| 10:08.59 | OUAH | so how can I retrieve the 2.4 version |
| 10:09.02 | SimonRaven | OUAH: i think you're confused |
| 10:09.03 | hawking | EmleyMoor : what is spec sheet? |
| 10:09.18 | Guerin | OUAH: no, what I'm talling you is that you DON'T |
| 10:09.21 | hawking | SerajewelKS : well I dunno I just guess you understood what I meant |
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| 10:09.25 | SerajewelKS | OUAH: i don't see anything in linux-kernel-headers that makes it 2.6-specific |
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| 10:09.35 | offworld | hy tlm |
| 10:09.36 | EmleyMoor | The page from the manual that details the frequencies (and if not true multisync, resolutions) the monitor can handle |
| 10:09.38 | Guerin | OUAH: reread what I told you above |
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| 10:09.53 | OUAH | SerajewelKS: for example the jiffies are not the same in both kernels |
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| 10:10.11 | SerajewelKS | jiffies? |
| 10:10.14 | SimonRaven | so? that's not glibc dependent... |
| 10:10.41 | jm_ | jiffies is kernel thing |
| 10:10.50 | hawking | EmleyMoor : lemme see... |
| 10:10.54 | Guerin | !wayttd OUAH |
| 10:10.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, OUAH? |
| 10:11.00 | EmleyMoor | I know what a shake is and I've heard of a jiffy - but I don't think "jiffy" has a fixed definition |
| 10:11.09 | OUAH | yes maybe |
| 10:11.37 | OUAH | I trying to compile my programs and now I have a lot of warnings from headers files from /usr/include/linux |
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| 10:12.05 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 10:12.05 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
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| 10:12.34 | SimonRaven | you need headers from your running kernel. you probably also need to apt-get install build-essential. other than that, i can only guess.... |
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| 10:13.20 | OUAH | i have a compilator warning for jiffies.h "division by zero in #if" |
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| 10:13.28 | OUAH | it's normal i think.. |
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| 10:13.59 | OUAH | not |
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| 10:14.38 | SimonRaven | no it isn't |
| 10:14.46 | OUAH | just because I inlude <linux/module.h> in a kernel module |
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| 10:14.58 | hawking | EmleyMoor : that's not written in the user's manual :/ is there a way to figure that out from windows? |
| 10:15.05 | OUAH | and before I upgraded my packages i didnt have theses warnings |
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| 10:15.19 | SimonRaven | um, why did you do that? |
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| 10:16.19 | OUAH | i dont know why.. I just did a apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 10:16.55 | OUAH | and I now jiffies frequency are not the same between 2.4 and 2.6 kernel that's why i talk abozt jiffies |
| 10:17.05 | hawking | SerajewelKS : is there a way to figure out what screen conf and refresh rate I have to use from windooze? |
| 10:17.10 | hawking | or does anyone else know? |
| 10:17.21 | SimonRaven | you don't know why you added an include to a file? then don't do it... don't mess with fire if you can't put it out |
| 10:17.24 | jm_ | Hawkwind: what monitor is it? |
| 10:17.56 | jm_ | hawking ^^^^ |
| 10:17.58 | hawking | jm_ : 15.0" XGA TFT LCD |
| 10:18.01 | OUAH | I know why I included <linux/modules.h> I included because when you write a kernel module you need this file.. |
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| 10:18.25 | jm_ | hawking: model? manufacturer? |
| 10:18.31 | OUAH | and my kernel module worked well bedore that |
| 10:18.36 | OUAH | before |
| 10:18.39 | SimonRaven | ok. so that's what you're doing, writing a module? |
| 10:19.05 | SimonRaven | you might want #kernel then (or ##kernel?) |
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| 10:19.10 | hawking | jm_ I just need to learn what I should choose in xserver-xfree86 thing during install |
| 10:19.29 | jm_ | hawking: I know, but we need to find out the details, did you try running read-edid|parse-edid? |
| 10:19.43 | EdLin | is testing still more unstable than sid? |
| 10:19.49 | OUAH | I discussed here because I think that's a debian issue |
| 10:20.05 | SimonRaven | not really |
| 10:20.28 | hawking | jm_ this is the graphics card : "Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset" |
| 10:20.44 | jm_ | hawking: no, for the monitor |
| 10:20.46 | OUAH | sure, the testing distrib dont work with 2.4 kernel i think |
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| 10:21.08 | jm_ | hawking;or just run read-edid and see if it reports it |
| 10:21.10 | jm_ | bah |
| 10:21.24 | Guerin | OUAH: ok. Your options if the linux-kernel-headers in debian don't work are to grab an old package from woody, from napshot-debian.net or so; or to check the BTS and file a bug if necessary; or to ask debian-devel@lists.debian.org how to proceed |
| 10:21.38 | SimonRaven | 2.4 is in maintenance mode anyway. why bother |
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| 10:22.23 | OUAH | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 10:23.07 | OUAH | there are still ppl using 2.4 kernel. I use kernel 2.4 specific applications so i need a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:23.19 | OUAH | or i need to rewrite these for 2.6 |
| 10:24.00 | Guerin | resiak: it's a NAPshot, dawg! |
| 10:24.06 | resiak | :)( |
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| 10:28.56 | ma3x | hi |
| 10:29.21 | KD-Misafir246 | hi |
| 10:29.41 | ma3x | this is pissing me off: WHen I boot I get kernel panic: VFS Cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown block(0,0) Plese append a correct "root=" boot option |
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| 10:29.52 | ma3x | now I've modified /sys/block/hda/dev |
| 10:30.02 | ma3x | I've put 0 0 in that file probably |
| 10:30.08 | ma3x | because when I booted from knoppix that was in there |
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| 10:30.12 | ma3x | so I copied it to the debian partition |
| 10:30.26 | ma3x | do you know with what should I edit that file or what the problem is? |
| 10:30.30 | ma3x | please help? |
| 10:30.33 | ma3x | where is stew? |
| 10:30.33 | Guerin | ma3x: unfuck what you fucked |
| 10:30.38 | Guerin | ma3x: in the pot |
| 10:30.51 | ma3x | Guerin how the fuck do I unfuck it? |
| 10:30.54 | ma3x | it's been already done. |
| 10:30.57 | Guerin | ma3x: how did you fuck it? |
| 10:31.16 | EdLin | !fuck ma3x |
| 10:31.19 | ma3x | Guerin I upgraded the kernel accidentaly with the same version |
| 10:31.28 | ma3x | and then it started requesting /sys/block/hda/dev |
| 10:31.30 | Guerin | ma3x: you did more than that. |
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| 10:31.35 | ma3x | and that folder has never existed |
| 10:31.48 | ma3x | and then I booted into knoppix and created all those folders of course |
| 10:31.52 | ma3x | and now I get this kernel panic |
| 10:31.55 | poonj | hey guys...the weirdest thing I'm experiencing in the lab. For some reason, when I use putty to SSH into a linux server, I keep getting disconnected with some network timeout issue. However, when I ssh with my linux box, it works flawlessly. |
| 10:31.58 | EdLin | !folder |
| 10:31.58 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 10:32.00 | ma3x | but even before i couldn't boot because of /sys/block/hda/dev |
| 10:32.09 | poonj | is there something that would cause it to prevent windows machines using putty to log in? |
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| 10:32.19 | ma3x | alright man, what does it mather a damn directory or a folder |
| 10:32.21 | ma3x | it's the damn same |
| 10:32.35 | ma3x | I will really be sorry if I have to reinstall |
| 10:32.42 | ma3x | I will not do it |
| 10:32.56 | ma3x | now is there a chance to fix this shit or no |
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| 10:33.34 | ma3x | even when i tried to reinstall the linux-image I got this error: block "/dev/hda3" unavailable. failed to create initrd iamge |
| 10:33.35 | ma3x | &image |
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| 10:34.06 | offworld | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:34.18 | EdLin | ma3x: /sys is supposed to be sysfs, not only should you not be able to add directories, adding directories there would break things, assuming things are misconfigured enough to let you add them. |
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| 10:34.36 | OUAH | Guerin: I installed the sarge package linux-kernel-headers and now my programs compile well |
| 10:34.59 | allgo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.05 | ma3x | EdLin so what should I do now? |
| 10:35.12 | ma3x | FUCK! |
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| 10:35.22 | OUAH | but what is strange is that it works correctly with version 2.5.99 and now with the latest version.. |
| 10:35.31 | OUAH | s/now/not |
| 10:36.04 | Guerin | OUAH: did the build actually fail? or were they just warnings? |
| 10:36.06 | EdLin | ma3x: do you have a sysfs mountpoint there in fstab? |
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| 10:37.03 | ma3x | EdLin in /etc/fstab I have /dev/hda3 set as mountpoint / |
| 10:37.08 | ma3x | sysfs, I don't know |
| 10:37.16 | OUAH | Guerin: the build didnt not fail but the warnings were very worrying |
| 10:37.30 | EdLin | ma3x: that's not what I'm asking. Actually, perhaps it is mounted without fstab |
| 10:37.44 | ma3x | EdLin so what do I do exactly? |
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| 10:38.04 | ma3x | EdLin I think I have only proc too |
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| 10:38.19 | ma3x | EdLin continue please .. |
| 10:38.21 | EdLin | ma3x: for one thing you should remove anything you added in the /sys file tree - you shouldn't be mucking around there. |
| 10:38.39 | ma3x | EdLin and then? |
| 10:38.57 | ma3x | EdLin is it ok if I rm -rf /sys ? |
| 10:39.04 | ma3x | because there was nothing in there I think |
| 10:39.13 | EdLin | ma3x: no, do not do that. |
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| 10:39.27 | ma3x | EdLin ok, then how do we solve this ... ? |
| 10:39.29 | EdLin | what version is your kernel? |
| 10:39.38 | ma3x | 2.6.14-2 or 4 |
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| 10:40.33 | EdLin | ma3x: don't tell me that you're a novice running sid.... |
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| 10:40.48 | ma3x | EdLin I'm not a novice, but I dont know how to solve this damn problem, |
| 10:41.20 | EdLin | ma3x: you know just enough to be dangerous |
| 10:41.38 | Guerin | OUAH: if the build didn't fail and the resultant module works as expected, there is no problem |
| 10:41.44 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 10:41.44 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
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| 10:41.49 | ma3x | EdLin I do. please can you tell me something, to help me solve the problem |
| 10:42.09 | ma3x | EdLin come on boy, we're together in this |
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| 10:43.08 | streuner | ma3x: what happens in the meantime, did you install initrd-tools or/and kernel-image? |
| 10:43.20 | ma3x | streuner I did install the initrd-tools yeah |
| 10:43.28 | streuner | kernel as well? |
| 10:43.29 | tiny | Heloo! Looks like my routing table isn't configured. I'm new to Debian ... just installed OS yesterday. Is there a tool to configure networking? |
| 10:43.40 | streuner | tiny: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 10:43.41 | ma3x | when I tried to install the kernel-image, it installs to some point and then |
| 10:43.55 | streuner | give you a message? |
| 10:44.04 | ma3x | error : block "/dev/hda3" unavailable. failed to create initrd iamge |
| 10:44.35 | tiny | streuner: yes ... reading it thnx |
| 10:44.36 | streuner | ma3x: do you have udev installed? |
| 10:44.43 | ma3x | streuner yes! |
| 10:44.50 | ma3x | that's a dependency for initrd I think |
| 10:44.51 | streuner | ma3x: remove it |
| 10:45.00 | ma3x | let me see again |
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| 10:45.20 | ma3x | now hold on, I will reboot check for udev |
| 10:45.27 | ma3x | and then I will erase what I've created |
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| 10:45.31 | streuner | chroot it |
| 10:45.38 | streuner | and run 'apt-get remove udev' |
| 10:45.51 | ma3x | ah, and I've created /proc/bus/input/devices too |
| 10:46.16 | ma3x | because when I tried to install the kernel image, it said it can't read that |
| 10:46.22 | ma3x | so I copied from knoppix to the debian :) |
| 10:46.29 | EdLin | !udev |
| 10:46.29 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 10:46.48 | ma3x | haha, stew is a cool guy! |
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| 10:47.19 | ma3x | ok hold on, gonna reboot |
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| 10:47.26 | ma3x | any other instructions maybe? |
| 10:47.31 | streuner | could be a bug in initrd-tools package as well... |
| 10:47.44 | streuner | YES, don't do any changes before asking |
| 10:47.47 | ma3x | streuner I tried to install older version of it, but no big help |
| 10:47.50 | ma3x | okay |
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| 10:47.58 | ma3x | seeya in 5 mins |
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| 10:48.17 | tiny | streuner: ok ... I see I need to edit /etc/network/interfaces. Is there a nice tool that manages this trough some kind of user interface? |
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| 10:49.24 | streuner | real debian users use interfaces (TM) ;-) |
| 10:50.16 | streuner | !interfaces |
| 10:50.16 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
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| 10:50.30 | Shadowcat | I own that trademark :P |
| 10:50.33 | streuner | tiny: read the examples as well, its not that HARD |
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| 10:51.07 | tiny | streuner: I know it's not ... but I'm in a real hurry here ... oh well the manual and examples it is |
| 10:51.13 | azeem | tiny: there's a module in gnome-system-tools that can do simpler setups |
| 10:51.17 | streuner | !hurry |
| 10:51.17 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
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| 10:51.42 | jm_ | tiny: etherconf |
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| 10:52.29 | liable | tiny: cmon, it really is a simple file to config. /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 10:53.20 | tiny | lol .. ok ok ... I'm on to it |
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| 10:53.27 | EdLin | !lol |
| 10:53.27 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:54.43 | liable | hah, thats not *friendly* in the new and improved #debian :P |
| 10:55.04 | streuner | ~lol |
| 10:55.06 | apt | i heard lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 10:55.20 | liable | streuner: you lag! |
| 10:55.23 | EdLin | that's even worse. |
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| 10:56.13 | liable | you're not the only one.. |
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| 10:56.45 | EdLin | yeah, for a while that was dpkg's factoid. |
| 10:56.57 | EdLin | the first replacement of the original smart-alecy one |
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| 10:57.24 | EdLin | lol = lamer on line :-) |
| 10:57.37 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.39 | SlayerXP | /\ |
| 10:57.43 | jm_ | <dpkg> somebody said lol was lamer on line |
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| 10:58.11 | liable | SlayerXP: get a shorter nick! :) |
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| 10:58.31 | jm_ | it also had an entry [lol] Lamer OnLine; a laugh sound is not spelled "lol". ... |
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| 10:58.46 | EdLin | jm_: it was even better, I forget the exact wording. Something like "and guess what, you've proved yourself to be one!" |
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| 10:59.08 | ma3x | Guys, I've done what you told me to |
| 10:59.08 | ma3x | apt-get remove udev |
| 10:59.19 | ma3x | but still when I tried to install the linux-image I get this error: |
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| 10:59.40 | liable | SlayerXP: peterS will have you up for (TM) infringements :P |
| 11:00.03 | ma3x | Yiel error: block device '/dev/hda3' unavailable (/etc/fstab:5) (fatal) and on the next line: failed to create initrd image |
| 11:00.18 | peterS | liable: it's ok, he's welcome to *try* to reproduce the loldude |
| 11:00.21 | ma3x | voila |
| 11:00.24 | ma3x | now help please !! |
| 11:00.25 | liable | haha |
| 11:00.32 | ma3x | I beg your help |
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| 11:00.59 | peterS | happy St. Lucia Day to all, btw. |
| 11:01.00 | streuner | ma3x: what's that entry in fstab? |
| 11:01.26 | ma3x | streuner something like this : /dev/hda3 / rw,errors=ro 0 0 |
| 11:01.30 | ma3x | that's what I recall |
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| 11:01.38 | jm_ | EdLin: yeah, Guerin set it ;) |
| 11:01.39 | streuner | ma3x: did you change /etc/fstab as well? |
| 11:01.43 | ma3x | if I have to tell you exactly I'd have to reboot, but I'm almost sure |
| 11:01.47 | ma3x | streuner change to what?? |
| 11:01.48 | ma3x | no |
| 11:01.51 | ma3x | it's been always like that |
| 11:01.55 | berzerka | hello #debian. using cdrecord to write a dvd iso-image to a cd. which write dode do i have to specify. disk at once? |
| 11:01.57 | tiny | ok network works ... |
| 11:02.03 | berzerka | mode* |
| 11:02.26 | peterS | berzerka: wait are you talking about a dvd image or a cd image? |
| 11:02.27 | liable | berzerka: err, a dvd iso to cd?? |
| 11:02.34 | streuner | ma3x: ok, if initrd failing, just use a kernel without initrd |
| 11:02.51 | berzerka | oh. excuse me =) i am burning a dvd image to a dvd of course.... |
| 11:03.00 | jm_ | man growisofs |
| 11:03.03 | peterS | berzerka: cdrecord doesn't support dvds, I thought |
| 11:03.06 | liable | berzerka: growisofs |
| 11:03.09 | positron | my logitech usb 3button wheelmouse works fine under kernel 2.4 but in 2.6 (custom or not) the wheel doesent work. i have tried different protocols and zaxismapping but no success. any help? |
| 11:03.35 | peterS | positron: protocol ExplorerPS/2, should be pretty much foolproof |
| 11:03.36 | ma3x | streuner HOW? I can't even install it without it |
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| 11:03.50 | jm_ | positron: I had issue with ExplorerPS/2 protocol in X under 2.6, ImPS/2, on the other hand, works fine |
| 11:03.55 | jm_ | issues |
| 11:03.59 | peterS | oh that's odd |
| 11:03.59 | bibe | positron : did you try both ZAxisMapping "4 5" and "6 7"? |
| 11:04.03 | streuner | ma3x: you already installed one, don't you? |
| 11:04.05 | berzerka | okay, thanks you. though somehow i dont feel comfortable with growisofs. isnt it also just a frontend to cdrecord? okayokay, i investigate myself =) |
| 11:04.10 | positron | bibe: yes and even 11 and 12 |
| 11:04.16 | liable | berzerka: heres a nice run down of it.. http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 11:04.19 | ma3x | streuner almost , I can't boot it |
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| 11:04.25 | berzerka | liable: thx |
| 11:04.27 | jm_ | no it's not a frontend to cdrecord |
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| 11:04.46 | streuner | ma3x: the problem is, where do you get an old kernel without initrd |
| 11:04.52 | positron | peterS: jm_ im on ImPS/2 now. maybe i switch to ExplorerPS/2 and try different zaxis |
| 11:05.05 | jm_ | positron: sure, try it |
| 11:05.07 | ma3x | streuner that's not the problem |
| 11:05.16 | vyrus001 | does anybody know of a program that syncs the x11 clipbord and the console clipbord? i know there is one but i forgot what its called :P (i think it was somthing like xclipsell or somthing?) |
| 11:05.16 | streuner | why not? |
| 11:05.16 | peterS | positron: really, both protocols *should* work equally well |
| 11:05.21 | ma3x | the problem is it wont boot, with or without initrd |
| 11:05.22 | streuner | ma3x: why not? |
| 11:05.30 | bibe | positron : and when changing settings, did you only logout/login from xdm/gdm/kdm or did you kill and restart the whole X server? |
| 11:05.59 | ma3x | because it says VFS: cannot open root device 'hda3' or unknown block (0,0) please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 11:06.03 | peterS | vyrus001: the 'console clipboard'? meaning gpm? if you hear of a way to do that, do let me know |
| 11:06.19 | azeem | ma3x: so are you sure that partition exists? |
| 11:06.27 | kapil | ma3x: how did it pick up /dev/hda3? |
| 11:06.30 | peterS | vyrus001: there's xclip which gives you a command-line interface to the X clipboard, but that doesn't sound like what you're saying |
| 11:06.32 | vyrus001 | petemc: basicly my problem is i can paste into aterm from my other x apps but not from aterm INTO the x apps |
| 11:06.35 | streuner | ma3x: no, due to the fact that your initrd isn't working the kernel CANNOT load the right module... |
| 11:06.51 | ma3x | kapil I dont know, that's my linux partition |
| 11:06.53 | peterS | vyrus001: oh odd, you should be able to do that. I thought aterm supported the X clipboard just fine |
| 11:07.10 | ma3x | azeem: i'm absolutely sure /dev/hda3 exists! |
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| 11:07.26 | svwaid | ma3x: what fs are you using on hda3? |
| 11:07.31 | vyrus001 | peterS: well if it does then fluxbox dosnt like it because ive never been able to get it to work unless i use include 'app i cant remember'; |
| 11:07.34 | ma3x | svwaid ext3 |
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| 11:07.42 | peterS | vyrus001: actually you should note that X has two clipboards - the primary selection, and the cut buffer. apps that do 'copy' and 'paste' off a menu usually use the latter. middle-clicking normally pastes the former. |
| 11:07.49 | kapil | ma3x: ok. then as streuner said perhaps the driver for hda is not being loaded. is it sata? |
| 11:08.01 | ma3x | kapil IDE |
| 11:08.08 | kapil | ma3x: sorry. i meant ata/ide? |
| 11:08.14 | svwaid | have you tried to disable dma? |
| 11:08.23 | ma3x | how do I disable DMA? i have laptop |
| 11:08.27 | ma3x | that option is not available in the bios i think |
| 11:08.31 | vyrus001 | peterS: ok yea i think that is what im talking about the 2 x clips... and if i remember correctly there is a way to sync the to with some app |
| 11:08.38 | kapil | ma3x: even then you need the initrd to work in order to load the ide modules with the stock debian kernel. |
| 11:08.41 | peterS | vyrus001: you might be thinking of xcutsel from the xbase-clients package |
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| 11:08.50 | liable | ma3x: is this your shitty external drive you are still dealing with?? |
| 11:08.51 | ma3x | kapil so what solution we got? |
| 11:08.52 | vyrus001 | peterS: YEEEES that was it... thanx man |
| 11:08.57 | peterS | cool |
| 11:08.59 | ma3x | liable no, the internal now |
| 11:09.11 | ma3x | liable the external, i've sent it out yesterday (still under guarantee) |
| 11:09.12 | positron | bibe: i always have done ctrl-alt-backspace. thats enough? |
| 11:09.15 | liable | ma3x: you're having a bad run.. :( |
| 11:09.23 | kapil | ma3x: you must make sure that initrd is made at the time of installation. |
| 11:09.24 | ma3x | yeah this week, total disastre |
| 11:09.30 | positron | and no success so far i tried explorerps/2 and zaxis 4 5 and 6 7 |
| 11:09.47 | vyrus001 | peterS: um no wait that wasnt it |
| 11:09.54 | svwaid | ma3x: did you do the kernel? |
| 11:09.56 | ma3x | kapil at the time of the installation reports this : Yiel error: block device '/dev/hda3' unavailable (/etc/fstab:5) (fatal) and on the next line: failed to create initrd image |
| 11:09.58 | vyrus001 | peterS: this simply ran in the backrund and made it work |
| 11:10.04 | peterS | vyrus001: oh, dunno then |
| 11:10.09 | st0nedbr | is there anyway to block (limit) some type of extensions file (like .bat .exe .com)in proftpd (for upload)? |
| 11:10.10 | ma3x | svwaid when I'm installing it , its giving me that eror |
| 11:10.11 | vyrus001 | lol damn |
| 11:10.37 | kapil | ma3x: who or what is Yiel? newer saw that with Debian sarge? |
| 11:10.54 | ma3x | kapil Yield |
| 11:10.56 | ma3x | not yiel |
| 11:11.20 | synic | do you have to restart X for .Xdefaults to work? |
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| 11:11.32 | kapil | ma3x: are you trying to use raid or something else that is locking up /dev/hda3? |
| 11:11.41 | slummer | What cpu type are debian packages compiled for? |
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| 11:11.47 | peterS | synic: no you can do 'xrdb ~/.Xdefaults' if you want |
| 11:11.55 | ma3x | kapil, NO, but maybe knoppix is locking it up somehow? |
| 11:11.55 | synic | peterS: thanks |
| 11:12.03 | slummer | the x86 packages |
| 11:12.07 | azeem | ma3x: knoppix? |
| 11:12.18 | kapil | ma3x: are you trying to install using knoppix? |
| 11:12.21 | ma3x | azeem yeah I have to boot knoppix to install the kernel |
| 11:12.23 | ma3x | kapil yes |
| 11:12.31 | liable | ma3x: your trying to install a kernel through a knoppic chroot?? |
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| 11:12.33 | peterS | synic: actually Debian doesn't honor ~/.Xdefaults by default, it runs xrdb on ~/.Xresources instead |
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| 11:12.37 | ma3x | liable yes |
| 11:12.42 | ma3x | liable how otherwise??? |
| 11:12.45 | svwaid | damn |
| 11:12.47 | peterS | synic: I mean in the default login session, as you log in |
| 11:13.03 | kapil | ma3x: don't know much about knx-hdinstall. |
| 11:13.10 | ma3x | liable that's what streuner suggested me to do |
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| 11:13.29 | azeem | ma3x: is hda3 mounted by the main knoppix root? |
| 11:13.46 | kapil | ma3x: but i do know that knoppix does not use a stock Debian method of managing kernels. |
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| 11:13.51 | azeem | eh, that's where you chroot to, right? |
| 11:13.53 | ma3x | azeem yes, otherwise I can't chroot to it! |
| 11:14.02 | Shadowcat | heh knoppix kernels |
| 11:14.05 | liable | ma3x: hrm, i dunno if that would work, i failed miserably trying to install a kernel from a sarge/sid chroot.. |
| 11:14.07 | Shadowcat | they're even more bloated than debian kernels |
| 11:14.22 | liable | ma3x: a debain image.. i mean.. |
| 11:14.45 | EdLin | ma3x mentioned he copied a knoppix kernel to his hard drive, that could be the problem |
| 11:14.58 | EdLin | !debain |
| 11:14.58 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 11:15.02 | ma3x | EdLin I didn't do that |
| 11:15.11 | liable | !irritate EdLin |
| 11:15.11 | dpkg | EdLin: hi every1 who uses dvd kk |
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| 11:15.51 | ma3x | so how do I install the kernel? |
| 11:15.57 | ma3x | please help people |
| 11:15.59 | kapil | ma3x: try to do the following. in your chroot edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and put ROOT="" and MODULES="most". then try to recongfigure the kernel. |
| 11:16.06 | ma3x | ok |
| 11:16.18 | EdLin | 05:46 < ma3x> so I copied from knoppix to the debian :) |
| 11:16.20 | kapil | ma3x: that should build an initrd which will boot most IDE systems. |
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| 11:16.44 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 11:17.00 | ma3x | EdLin that was the file "/proc/bus/input/devices" |
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| 11:17.28 | EdLin | ma3x: oh. |
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| 11:18.02 | EdLin | ma3x: you really should avoid mucking around in /proc |
| 11:18.25 | ma3x | kapil: let me try that |
| 11:18.26 | ma3x | i'll be back |
| 11:18.29 | marko | is it worth me setting up an mta in order for a few people to be able to send mail to one another on a standalone desktop pc? if so, what is the best mta for the job? |
| 11:18.31 | ma3x | astala vista baby |
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| 11:19.30 | Guerin | marko: debian comes with exim4, which is perfectly adequate |
| 11:19.34 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 11:19.34 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 11:19.36 | xcyborg | the last series if 2.6 kernels from unstable fail to boot for me with some messages like "Waiting X seconds for /sys/block/hda/dev to show up" |
| 11:19.37 | xcyborg | anyone has any idea why the kernels don't boot, I use debian/unstable, latest udev, etc |
| 11:20.21 | jm_ | :) |
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| 11:20.37 | resiak | xcyborg: bts? |
| 11:20.38 | marko | Guerin, thanks. how would i go about setting exim4 up in order for users to email each other from evolution? |
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| 11:20.42 | SlayerXP | udev, because making your sytsem harder to recover is a really good idea! |
| 11:20.59 | Shadowcat | nothing wrong with udev |
| 11:21.08 | resiak | plenty of things wrong with udev |
| 11:21.11 | xcyborg | resiak: I'm now searching for any similar bug reported, yesterday I found none |
| 11:21.26 | Shadowcat | resiak: so stop using it then |
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| 11:21.27 | Shadowcat | :) |
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| 11:21.42 | kapil | xcyborg: perhaps you didnt report it :) |
| 11:21.46 | resiak | Shadowcat: The advantages I get from using it outweigh its badness for me, because it worksforme. |
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| 11:21.56 | Shadowcat | hypocrite |
| 11:22.05 | resiak | Shadowcat: The fact that there's any question of whether or not it works is _why_ it's a little dodgy |
| 11:22.14 | Guerin | marko: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; configure evolution |
| 11:22.15 | resiak | Shadowcat: I blame Md for quite a lot of the issues with udev on Debian. |
| 11:22.23 | Shadowcat | Md? |
| 11:22.24 | xcyborg | kapil: I didn't report it, that's right, I was wondering if anybody else has the same issue, maybe I'm missing something |
| 11:22.43 | M_Cheevy | you know it's going to be an interesting night when not 3 lines into the channel it's flamebait time.. |
| 11:22.44 | resiak | Shadowcat: /wi Md |
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| 11:23.05 | resiak | M_Cheevy: No flaming involved. |
| 11:23.39 | M_Cheevy | resiak: <Shadowcat> hypocrite .. not exactly tame is it? |
| 11:23.54 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: everyone's a hypocrite, what of it? :) |
| 11:23.56 | berzerka | growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=KNOPPIX_V4.0.2DVD-2005-09-23-EN.iso ## About to execute 'builtin_dd if=KNOPPIX_V4.0.2DVD-2005-09-23-EN.iso of=/dev/scd0 obs=32k seek=0' ## :-( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error... |
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| 11:23.58 | Guerin | not exactly accurate, either |
| 11:24.26 | Gnea | berzerka: try setting the speed |
| 11:24.29 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: I state it differently.. opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, and everyone else's stink |
| 11:24.38 | Guerin | !opinions |
| 11:24.38 | dpkg | opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your arsehole. Well, maybe both. |
| 11:24.43 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: hey that's a good one too |
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| 11:24.51 | kapil | hippo-critter = large aquatic mammal. |
| 11:25.09 | M_Cheevy | Guerin: longer version ... maybe that's where I stole it from... |
| 11:25.22 | atp | hey, anyone know how to list the contents of an atom from the commandline? |
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| 11:25.30 | atp | i'm talking X window atoms here |
| 11:25.34 | berzerka | hey Guerin, first knoppix is a debian derivative, second i am burning this image here on my debian system, so why should i ask in #knoppix? |
| 11:25.45 | atp | i know about xprop and xlsatoms but neither tells me the values of the atom |
| 11:25.52 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 11:25.52 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 11:25.58 | Guerin | berzerka: exactly. I was just waiting for someone to tell you, wrongly, to go to #knoppix. |
| 11:26.02 | atp | berzerka: knopix is not debian |
| 11:26.03 | Gnea | oh man... i started transferring this kernel source directory hours ago and it went and recursively sent itself... so instead of taking up 450megs, it's taken up nearly 10 gigs |
| 11:26.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:26.08 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.08 | Gnea | 9.8G linux-source-2.6.14/ |
| 11:26.10 | resiak | :) |
| 11:26.20 | Guerin | he's using DEBIAN to burn a knoppix iso |
| 11:26.28 | mhall | SimonRaven: kat was the name of it |
| 11:26.29 | Shadowcat | Gnea: HA HA |
| 11:26.33 | M_Cheevy | Guerin: didn't have to wait long did ya ;) |
| 11:26.41 | Gnea | that'll learn me to tar it up first ;) |
| 11:27.02 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: getting late there? ;) |
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| 11:27.13 | Guerin | Gnea: heh. I wrote a backup script which tarred / into /tmp once |
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| 11:27.13 | kapil | berzerka: exactly why are you expanding the knoppix iso image onto your disk? |
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| 11:27.16 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: i took a nap |
| 11:27.19 | berzerka | dpkg: perfectly satisfied with that. would never ask for knoppix ubuntu or whatever support within #debian. but the 'are' descendants if you will, they use apt for instance.. |
| 11:27.30 | resiak | berzerka: dpkg is a bot |
| 11:27.31 | Shadowcat | !bot |
| 11:27.32 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 11:27.33 | berzerka | kapil: scd0 is my usb-connected dvd writer |
| 11:27.33 | Guerin | berzerka: dude, it's cool. |
| 11:27.37 | Guerin | be chillin' |
| 11:27.47 | Guerin | i'd help you if I knew a damn thing about cdrecord, which I don't |
| 11:27.50 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: ah.. the bliss of a good siesta... you know, northern europe definately missed out on that tradition |
| 11:27.53 | berzerka | resiak: really? OH NO, and i talked to him for weeks ;) |
| 11:28.10 | RichiH_ | what is the factoid about no x at startup, again? |
| 11:28.12 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: are you kidding? the irish have excellent beer! |
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| 11:28.24 | jm_ | berzerka: /dev/scd0? that doesn't look right |
| 11:29.08 | jm_ | !tell RichiH_ -about nodm |
| 11:29.08 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: and about 5 good pints of guiness = one good mandatory nap, right? |
| 11:29.08 | kapil | berzerka: what are you using to write the CD? |
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| 11:29.08 | RichiH_ | ta |
| 11:29.08 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: hahaha i wish i had that much beer right now |
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| 11:29.09 | berzerka | kapil: growisofs, from now on ;) |
| 11:29.13 | Gnea | !beer #debian |
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| 11:29.26 | Gnea | hrm, something about those proportions.... |
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| 11:29.30 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: tell me about it, I'm huffing on screens till my stash comes in tomorrow.. |
| 11:29.31 | liable | meh, virtual beer.. :( |
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| 11:29.39 | rAz_ | is there any official website where i could found all linux commands ? thx :) |
| 11:29.50 | M_Cheevy | so would debian beer be root beer? |
| 11:29.52 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: heh, i gave that one up years ago |
| 11:30.01 | azeem | rAz_: do you mean syscalls? |
| 11:30.12 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: I don't drink.. |
| 11:30.12 | azeem | rAz_: Linux is just a kernel, it does not have many commands |
| 11:30.14 | Gnea | no way |
| 11:30.22 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: i gathered :) |
| 11:30.32 | rAz_ | syscalls yes :) |
| 11:30.38 | rAz_ | thanks for correct me :) |
| 11:30.41 | kapil | berzerka: as far as I can see growisofs is a way to create an iso image and not a tool to burn CD's. |
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| 11:30.52 | liable | kapil: err, wrong.. |
| 11:30.54 | Gnea | kapil: you are in error |
| 11:30.56 | resiak | I suspect rAz_ doesn't mean syscalls. |
| 11:31.00 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: well... it's a lie, but when i drink I only drink the good stuff.. Maker's Mark.. Jamisons... Mt Gay Barbados Rum (Extra Old) |
| 11:31.02 | abrocadabro | is there a way to open and save a bunch of files without changing anything? |
| 11:31.15 | Gnea | kapil: growisofs is an extension to cdrecord which lets you burn DVDs |
| 11:31.20 | azeem | rAz_: man 2 syscalls |
| 11:31.28 | azeem | if that's what you want |
| 11:31.28 | jm_ | Gnea: it's not |
| 11:31.33 | rAz_ | thx anyway |
| 11:31.35 | berzerka | it 'is' in fact frontend to mkisofs, but has evolved in time to a full-featured dvd+--burning-utility. |
| 11:31.38 | kapil | liable, Gnea: thanks for correcting me (withdraws hastily). |
| 11:31.43 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: and at $60/bottle it's a rare occasion.... |
| 11:31.54 | Gnea | jm_: er, mkisofs? |
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| 11:31.59 | jm_ | Gnea: right |
| 11:32.02 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: hehehe |
| 11:32.16 | Gnea | !beer jm_ |
| 11:32.28 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: but then again, I'd gladly plop down $300 on an ounce |
| 11:32.42 | tiny | what's the meaning of "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" message when I install packages with apt-get install |
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| 11:33.04 | resiak | tiny: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 11:33.06 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
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| 11:33.20 | M_Cheevy | cool, there's dpkg msg so I don't have to guess |
| 11:33.21 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: is it regulated there? |
| 11:33.23 | ma3x | ok we need to talk now |
| 11:33.32 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: ganja or alcohol? |
| 11:33.37 | tiny | resiak: ty |
| 11:33.38 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: yeah |
| 11:33.46 | berzerka | okay, my dvd-writer is connected to the usb-port. cdrecord -scanbus gives me: 2,0,0 200) 'HP ' 'DVD Writer 300n ' '3.20' Removable CD-ROM. which should be the according device file? |
| 11:34.05 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: normally when my g/f or boss says that it's a moment of dread... don't know what to make of that from you though |
| 11:34.13 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: it willbe one of /dev/sd[a-z] i think |
| 11:34.27 | Gnea | berzerka: ATA:2,0,0 |
| 11:34.33 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: err, probable /dev/scd0 |
| 11:34.47 | ma3x | I've tried again to install linux-image-2.6.14-2 and it says it can't find any tool, it wants mkinitramfs or yaird |
| 11:34.47 | berzerka | /dev/scd0, thats what i used.. |
| 11:34.52 | ma3x | But I have installed initrd-tools now |
| 11:35.00 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: ganja is still illegal but the cops have stated publically they've got better things to do... as for alcohol.. still legal and taxed and not likely to change.. these kiwis love to drink |
| 11:35.00 | berzerka | will try Gneas version |
| 11:35.06 | ma3x | so is there no linux-image that is compatible with mkinitrd? |
| 11:35.10 | Gnea | ma3x: did you compile it? |
| 11:35.11 | resiak | ma3x: So install one of the two that it _wants_, not the one that is no longer used. |
| 11:35.16 | ma3x | Gnea no, dpkg -i |
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| 11:35.33 | ma3x | resiak but it doesnt work with those |
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| 11:35.43 | Gnea | ma3x: so you downloaded the package remotely? |
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| 11:35.53 | ma3x | gnea yeah |
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| 11:36.10 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: there's this nifty little thing called apt-get... |
| 11:36.17 | Gnea | that's very weird - i couldn't get any mkinitrd to work with 2.6.14 yesterday either |
| 11:36.22 | resiak | ma3x: ... 2.6.14 needs either mkinitramfs or yaird and DOES NOT WORK with mkinitrd |
| 11:36.28 | ma3x | Gnea you see? |
| 11:36.37 | ma3x | resiak but that's hell! |
| 11:36.40 | Gnea | yeah but i am using yaird |
| 11:36.41 | M_Cheevy | heya gnea, can you do something about this channel yoyo beidhkukiu? |
| 11:36.43 | resiak | apt-get install yaird |
| 11:36.46 | resiak | How is that HELL?!@ |
| 11:36.47 | berzerka | Gnea: i guess growisofs requires a device file... what is the corresponding to ATA:2:0:0? |
| 11:37.04 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: someone will eventually... that's not my arena |
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| 11:37.06 | kapil | ma3x: why are you installing 2.6.14 and not 2.6.12? |
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| 11:37.14 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: it depends |
| 11:37.20 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: check the /dev/scd* devices |
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| 11:37.26 | ma3x | resiak: and then I get yield error: block device '/dev/hda3' unavaiable (/etc/fstab:5) (fatal) |
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| 11:37.31 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: thought you had +o here? no worries... he's changed his nick... |
| 11:37.36 | ma3x | resiak: now how do you like that |
| 11:37.37 | Gnea | kapil: cuz it's newer? |
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| 11:37.46 | ma3x | kapil whats the difference? |
| 11:37.48 | berzerka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:37.56 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: nope, but we see these all the time, they come and go like the wind :) |
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| 11:38.07 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: so use it |
| 11:38.33 | kapil | ma3x: because 2.6.12 works with initrd-tools. I dont know yaird and initramfs-tools. |
| 11:38.38 | berzerka | well, it doesnt work. and then someone said it was my disk i would write to. errors: |
| 11:38.45 | ma3x | kapil I am checking the dependencies now ..... |
| 11:38.47 | berzerka | growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=KNOPPIX_V4.0.2DVD-2005-09-23-EN.iso ## About to execute 'builtin_dd if=KNOPPIX_V4.0.2DVD-2005-09-23-EN.iso of=/dev/scd0 obs=32k seek=0' ## :-( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error... |
| 11:39.05 | Gnea | berzerka: tried another disk? |
| 11:39.16 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: what is that supposed to do |
| 11:39.19 | berzerka | Gnea: its rewritable, but no. |
| 11:39.28 | Gnea | berzerka: try another disk. |
| 11:39.28 | ma3x | kapil and I should get that 2.6.12 from snapshot? |
| 11:39.33 | berzerka | SerajewelKS: write the image to the disk. |
| 11:39.41 | jm_ | maybe check if you see some USB errors in dmesg |
| 11:39.49 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: why are you not using cdrecord then |
| 11:39.50 | kapil | ma3x: no 2.6.12 is in etch. (=testing). |
| 11:40.03 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: DVD |
| 11:40.09 | ma3x | kapil that's installable on sid?? |
| 11:40.11 | SerajewelKS | dvdrecord then |
| 11:40.12 | quitte | ATA:2:0:0 is hdg,isn't it |
| 11:40.14 | berzerka | SerajewelKS: because i have been told to use growisofs..... |
| 11:40.21 | Gnea | there is a dvdrecord? |
| 11:40.26 | berzerka | yes |
| 11:40.28 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: pretty sure |
| 11:40.55 | ma3x | kapil this one? http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 11:40.57 | kapil | ma3x: try it. I'm not sure. I use testing myself. |
| 11:41.00 | berzerka | and dvd-record is (now) a stub for cdrecord in turn. |
| 11:41.01 | Gnea | wow, there is |
| 11:41.01 | M_Cheevy | berzerka: if someone told you to do something and try as you might, you can't get it to work, they might have been wrong, no? |
| 11:41.02 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: and afaik you can't directly write to a rewritable.. you have to erase it first |
| 11:41.29 | jm_ | yeah if it's a -RW, you can burn directly to a +RW, at least with growisofs |
| 11:41.31 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: that is you can't directory write to a rewritable that has data |
| 11:41.40 | berzerka | M_Cheevy: they might. but i know there are very competent people in this channel, and i also know that i 'can' be done using growisofs. |
| 11:41.44 | SerajewelKS | damnit i can't type |
| 11:41.57 | berzerka | it* |
| 11:41.59 | Gnea | there's a howto i found via google once that told how to take care of -RW and +RW |
| 11:42.06 | Gnea | i think it was on tldp.org |
| 11:42.18 | M_Cheevy | berzerka: there are very competent people in here, and then there are people like me who occasionally talk out of their hat |
| 11:42.29 | berzerka | ;) |
| 11:42.30 | Gnea | hahha |
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| 11:42.58 | M_Cheevy | had to word that one carefully...... too late for flames ;) |
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| 11:43.08 | Gnea | berzerka: what about k3b? |
| 11:43.14 | jm_ | did you look at dmesg output after growisofs fails? |
| 11:43.27 | berzerka | Gnea: nah... and what if my x dies? no, no.. |
| 11:43.37 | Gnea | why would your X die? |
| 11:43.49 | Gnea | is your system that incompetant? |
| 11:43.51 | M_Cheevy | and so what if it did... just restart it... |
| 11:43.58 | berzerka | dvdrecord now is a stub for cdrecord(1) and will execute cdrecord. You |
| 11:43.58 | berzerka | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.59 | berzerka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:44.03 | Gnea | and it's a RW |
| 11:44.09 | Gnea | you could just start it over |
| 11:44.21 | Gnea | what, you afraid the disk is gonna explode in the drive? ;) |
| 11:44.22 | ma3x | do you people have /proc/bus/input/devices? |
| 11:44.23 | jm_ | berzerka: it doesn't suggest that at all |
| 11:44.24 | marko | Guerin, thanks. ok i have exim4 configured. i gather under evolution i create an account for each user with the email address user1@localhost and configure for local delivery and use sendmail so they can forward any local emails? does that sound right? |
| 11:44.28 | jm_ | ma3x: yes |
| 11:44.38 | berzerka | jm_: mind the word 'directly'. |
| 11:44.42 | ma3x | jm_ for some reason that got deleted on my pc |
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| 11:44.59 | ma3x | jm_ then I had to copy that from knoppix |
| 11:45.05 | Whisky_ | HELP: When I logout from my system, X dies and i don't get back to the login screen. Just a blank black screen. |
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| 11:45.08 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: isn't /proc created on the fly? |
| 11:45.14 | wizzz | hello |
| 11:45.38 | jm_ | berzerka: you may understand it that way, I certainly don't and I know it's not a front-end |
| 11:45.39 | Gnea | Whisky_: using what dm? |
| 11:45.46 | jm_ | ma3x: you're joking right? |
| 11:45.47 | SlayerXP | /proc is a real directory, th e_contents_ are created "on the flu" |
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| 11:45.53 | Whisky_ | Gnea, GDM |
| 11:45.57 | wizzz | i'm unable to install my debian (3.1) because of ITE controller |
| 11:46.04 | Gnea | Whisky_: when's the last time you apt-get upgrade? |
| 11:46.06 | ma3x | jm_ absolutely not? why would I joke? |
| 11:46.08 | berzerka | jm_: yeah, read it again, guess you are right. but one can understand it that way. |
| 11:46.09 | wizzz | the DD is not recognized |
| 11:46.15 | M_Cheevy | Slayer: wasn't the problem with the "p" key earlier or do I have you confused with someone else? |
| 11:46.26 | wizzz | is there a driver for ITE controller ? |
| 11:46.47 | Gnea | wizzz: IDE? |
| 11:46.50 | Whisky_ | Gnea, around 2 minutes ago. This is a new install of Debian 3.1 (2 days old) |
| 11:46.51 | Gnea | wizzz: or ITE? |
| 11:46.56 | wizzz | ITE |
| 11:47.02 | SerajewelKS | wtf is ITE |
| 11:47.04 | Whisky_ | And i've got the CD's as my apt source. |
| 11:47.10 | Whisky_ | !Ite |
| 11:47.10 | jm_ | berzerka: indeed, did you check dmesg? |
| 11:47.15 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 11:47.18 | jm_ | ma3x: copying it won't change anything |
| 11:47.19 | wizzz | the DD are IDE but there are on an ITE controller |
| 11:47.22 | Gnea | Whisky_: what video card? |
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| 11:47.29 | Whisky_ | Gnea, Intel on-board. |
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| 11:47.39 | berzerka | usb 2-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 |
| 11:47.39 | berzerka | SCSI error : <2 0 0 0> return code = 0x70000 |
| 11:47.42 | M_Cheevy | Ite Missa Est.... |
| 11:47.43 | Gnea | Whisky_: rebooted yet? |
| 11:47.43 | wizzz | SerajewelKS a kind of controller |
| 11:47.49 | jm_ | there you go, that's why it fails |
| 11:47.57 | SerajewelKS | wizzz: no shit, i gathered that much |
| 11:47.58 | wizzz | i didn't this acronym until today too :) |
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| 11:48.02 | Whisky_ | Gnea, The system? Quite some times, doesn't help. |
| 11:48.14 | ma3x | jm_ what are you saying? send me yours then :) |
| 11:48.29 | jm_ | ma3x: do you have any idea what /proc is all about? |
| 11:48.30 | wizzz | (didn't know) |
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| 11:48.35 | Gnea | The Institute of Transportation Engineers is an international individual member educational and scientific association. <-- hey, kinda like us? :P |
| 11:48.38 | ma3x | jm_ not at all |
| 11:48.45 | jm_ | ma3x: are you on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:48.58 | ma3x | jm_ no kernel currently, but trying to install 2.6.12 now |
| 11:49.10 | Gnea | Whisky_: so this only happens when you logout? if you rebooted the system now, gdm would startup just fine? |
| 11:49.11 | SerajewelKS | the HECK |
| 11:49.16 | ma3x | brb |
| 11:49.18 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: don't know if we qualify as scientific.. science fiction maybe ;) |
| 11:49.19 | jm_ | ma3x: how is your system running without a kernel? you must have something insanely smart there |
| 11:49.22 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: if you're using linux then you're using the linux kernel |
| 11:49.44 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: we study and develop new methods of using computers - it's a science ;) |
| 11:49.51 | ma3x | SerajewelKS knoppix, and then I try to fix the bloody debian partition |
| 11:49.58 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: I was just making a joke.... |
| 11:50.00 | ma3x | i.e. trying to install debian kernel via knoppix |
| 11:50.04 | ma3x | are we clear now ? |
| 11:50.04 | Whisky_ | Gnea, Yup. Works perfectly normal at startup BUT fails if I logout right now. |
| 11:50.08 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: i know lol |
| 11:50.17 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: the optimisation of porn browsing as a science? ;) |
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| 11:50.19 | ma3x | alors |
| 11:50.21 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: no. you're still running a kernel. |
| 11:50.21 | ma3x | I gotta reboot |
| 11:50.22 | Gnea | Whisky_: what if you switch window managers? |
| 11:50.35 | ma3x | SerajewelKS I chroot to it, no kernel running |
| 11:50.44 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: uhm no |
| 11:50.44 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: okay... you're doing a debootstrap install? |
| 11:50.55 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: if no kernel was running the screen would go black |
| 11:50.57 | ma3x | M_Cheevy no idea what debootstrap is |
| 11:51.03 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: chroot changes the root, it does not kill the kernel |
| 11:51.05 | ma3x | SerajewelKS no kidding :) |
| 11:51.19 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: that's a technique where you boot from one version of unix to install debian |
| 11:51.24 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: so what the fuck are you on about... "I chroot to it, no kernel running" |
| 11:51.26 | jk_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.39 | ma3x | SerajewelKS from knoppix I chroot to my debian partition |
| 11:51.40 | tiny | sorry to bother again ... but I need to find package that contains mcopy .. how do you find packages that contain certain files? |
| 11:51.43 | ma3x | what don't you understand?! |
| 11:51.43 | jk_work | searched before /usr/lib. Is that expected? |
| 11:51.50 | Whisky_ | Gnea, Haven't tried. Where do I switch to KDM? |
| 11:51.51 | ma3x | gof dammit! |
| 11:51.52 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: "no kernel running" |
| 11:52.00 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: just because you chroot doesn't mean the kernel dies |
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| 11:52.06 | ma3x | SerajewelKS I removed it! |
| 11:52.10 | jk_work | (no LD_LIBRARY_PATH) |
| 11:52.14 | ma3x | because I'm trying to install another one |
| 11:52.17 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: what kernel you are RUNNING |
| 11:52.18 | Gnea | Whisky_: no no, WINDOW manager, not DISPLAY manager |
| 11:52.23 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: not the one you have INSTALLED |
| 11:52.28 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: wtf?!?! from the knoppix install? you removed it from there? |
| 11:52.34 | Gnea | Whisky_: what are you using right now? |
| 11:52.41 | Whisky_ | Gnea, KDE |
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| 11:52.43 | ma3x | M_Cheevy yes, whats wrong with that? |
| 11:52.50 | Gnea | Whisky_: ok, try KDM then |
| 11:52.52 | jm_ | tiny: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:53.02 | Whisky_ | Gnea, How do I switch ? |
| 11:53.05 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: well, besides the fact that if things go pear shaped you won't have a way to boot..... |
| 11:53.06 | ma3x | M_Cheevy how else you expect me to remove/install? |
| 11:53.07 | Haukkari | What's the package that has all the stuff necessary for compiling... something like, build-necessary? |
| 11:53.11 | Gnea | Whisky_: just install kdm and it'll ask |
| 11:53.24 | ma3x | alright time to reboot |
| 11:53.26 | ma3x | again |
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| 11:53.28 | jm_ | !tell Haukkari -about b-e |
| 11:53.29 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: FYI you to not need to remove a kernel before installing a newer version |
| 11:53.35 | SerajewelKS | god damnit |
| 11:53.40 | Haukkari | jm_: thank you. :) |
| 11:53.46 | SerajewelKS | ma3x's computer would a lot happier if he just left it off |
| 11:53.52 | Gnea | lol |
| 11:53.55 | jm_ | or if he installed Windows XP :P |
| 11:53.59 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I have no clue what this guy is trying.... and I'm sure he doesn't either |
| 11:54.16 | jm_ | he had problems with 2.6.14 so was told to downgrade |
| 11:54.20 | SerajewelKS | i'm still left speechless that he replaced his debian /proc with static files |
| 11:54.24 | jm_ | or somesuch |
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| 11:54.35 | Gnea | yes, it's quite baffling |
| 11:54.36 | M_Cheevy | jm: then what's this blather about knoppix? |
| 11:54.36 | jm_ | serja;that only worked because he was chrooted ;) |
| 11:54.45 | Gnea | !ch |
| 11:54.45 | dpkg | ch is probably Switzerland |
| 11:54.47 | Whisky_ | installed. let me try, brb |
| 11:54.54 | SerajewelKS | jm_: still qualifies him as a retard |
| 11:54.57 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: I guess he rendered it unbootable now and needs to recover using Knoppix |
| 11:55.06 | M_Cheevy | that's an insult to the mentally challenged |
| 11:55.11 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 11:55.25 | Gnea | at least we know he's human |
| 11:55.29 | Gnea | ;) |
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| 11:55.33 | M_Cheevy | jm: that would be a safe bet...... debootstrap install time.. you want to point him to the section or should I? |
| 11:55.51 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: no, he just needs to install the kernel, nothing else |
| 11:55.59 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: I would argue to qualify as "human" reasoning is a required attribute |
| 11:56.01 | jm_ | don't worry, he'll be back :) |
| 11:56.34 | SerajewelKS | jm_: assuming his computer boots |
| 11:56.37 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: but how many times have we been fooled by ai bots coming into the channel and asking question after question? |
| 11:56.38 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: admittedly that leaves out Bush ;) |
| 11:56.42 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: he'll use Knoppix |
| 11:56.53 | SerajewelKS | jm_: likely he's fucked that up too |
| 11:57.11 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: I'll give him a medal if he managed that |
| 11:57.17 | EdLin | Gnea: I don't think an AI could be so stupid |
| 11:57.34 | M_Cheevy | god damn, EdLin, that nick sends me back to my early dos days.... |
| 11:57.36 | Gnea | EdLin: but then how would an AI learn? |
| 11:57.41 | streuner | guys, that's NOT funny, he upgraded an kernel and the upgrade-process fucked his system |
| 11:58.01 | jm_ | streuner: he should not use releases > Sarge |
| 11:58.07 | SerajewelKS | streuner: he uninstalled the previous kernel before upgrading. that's pure 100% brain fart. |
| 11:58.08 | streuner | due to the fact he's using WLAN to his neighbor, he don't have i-net access at all too |
| 11:58.16 | streuner | jm_: sure |
| 11:58.19 | M_Cheevy | Streuner: only because he didn't rtfm in the least before he tried.... |
| 11:58.26 | EdLin | streuner: he upgraded his kernel then proceeded to trash the rest of his system as much as possible |
| 11:58.34 | Gnea | streuner: life's a beach |
| 11:58.35 | streuner | sure, sure |
| 11:58.42 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: sand gets everywhere |
| 11:58.46 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:59.07 | M_Cheevy | Struener: before I was allowed to even play with my first linux install it was drummed in my head.. READ READ READ before you do anything |
| 11:59.21 | Gnea | yeah really |
| 11:59.34 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: eventually i learned that |
| 11:59.37 | M_Cheevy | hell.. some of us old heads, tar the system before making any change. |
| 11:59.51 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: heh actually... |
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| 12:00.05 | EdLin | M_Cheevy: actually, using cvs on your /etc is a good idea. |
| 12:00.09 | Gnea | Whisky_: any luck? |
| 12:00.11 | hent | i got my own computer after installing linux on the "house" one a few times :) |
| 12:00.12 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i'm considering using partimage to back up my current system before i upgrade to KDE 3.4 to see if it's stable in etch yet |
| 12:00.19 | Whisky_ | Gnea, nah, same thing. |
| 12:00.29 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: Get a good copy of Norton Ghost (pre-10 version) |
| 12:00.38 | Gnea | Whisky_: sounds like a KDE bug then - is that sarge? |
| 12:00.44 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: what's wrong with partimage |
| 12:00.52 | streuner | jm_: i tried serveral hours to help him - no success, i have no idea what went wrong |
| 12:00.53 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: it might be bad video drivers too |
| 12:01.01 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_: is your console a framebuffer? |
| 12:01.02 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ha ha ha |
| 12:01.09 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:01.11 | jm_ | streuner: I know, udev :P |
| 12:01.15 | streuner | jm_: seems that he need to install a kernel without initrd |
| 12:01.15 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: haven't played with it, have used Ghost to drag my fat out of the fire more times than I care to think... in almost any OS |
| 12:01.23 | Whisky_ | Gnea, Yeah, 3.1. |
| 12:01.26 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS, err? :S |
| 12:01.31 | streuner | jm_: or that, but he made some serveral changes as well... |
| 12:01.43 | Gnea | Whisky_: dunno.. could be the framebuffer |
| 12:01.49 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_: sometimes X doesn't like it when the console is a framebuffer |
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| 12:02.02 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_: i struggled with that problem with woody.. solution was to install a non-fb kernel image |
| 12:02.05 | M_Cheevy | Edlin: I take it CVS is a version control system? |
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| 12:02.14 | SerajewelKS | !cvs |
| 12:02.14 | dpkg | well, cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 12:02.15 | EdLin | M_Cheevy: yes |
| 12:02.16 | int21h | hi Gnea! |
| 12:02.24 | Gnea | word up! |
| 12:02.25 | Whisky_ | Gnea, right. |
| 12:02.31 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS, so what do i install right now? |
| 12:02.44 | M_Cheevy | Edlin: change control.. preach it to em when they're young ;) |
| 12:02.46 | EdLin | good factoid |
| 12:02.53 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_: i dunno... just saying that's what it *sounds* like. could be wacky video card drivers. |
| 12:02.53 | jm_ | streuner: they use initramfs these days |
| 12:02.55 | Gnea | Whisky_: i don't know much about that tho... but SerajewelKS does |
| 12:03.08 | Whisky_ | k |
| 12:03.10 | Gnea | maybe |
| 12:03.10 | Haukkari | How come the package raidtools2 doesn't have anything in Debian stable. :/ |
| 12:03.10 | int21h | lets continue to fix my problem, about my xserver display |
| 12:03.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: no i don't ;) |
| 12:03.12 | Gnea | lol |
| 12:03.16 | wizzz | ok there's a driver for ITE controller but it as to be compiled, is there a RTFM to compile a module and make it automatically loaded at boot ? |
| 12:03.17 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 12:03.28 | M_Cheevy | getting a tad greedy int21h? ;) |
| 12:03.28 | SerajewelKS | wizzz: /etc/modules |
| 12:03.41 | int21h | :) |
| 12:03.47 | streuner | jm_: hm, didn't know that, it explains why it didn't work for him then... |
| 12:03.47 | jm_ | wizzz: are you sure Debian's kernel doesn't already have that module available? |
| 12:04.17 | jm_ | streuner: but 2.6.14 linux-images depend on the right tools, so he should have that installed |
| 12:04.23 | M_Cheevy | int21h: what's the prob.. I'll take a stab at it... but don't be surprised if I ask you to start editing your XF86Config file ;) |
| 12:04.44 | Whisky_ | ahh any way |
| 12:04.51 | wizzz | jm_ at install the disk on the ITE controller aren't detected, event with the 2.6 kernel |
| 12:04.53 | Whisky_ | im out, got Mathematics test tomorrow :X |
| 12:04.54 | streuner | jm_: so udev? |
| 12:05.04 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_: finals week sucks |
| 12:05.06 | jm_ | streuner: hard to say without knowing all the details |
| 12:05.12 | int21h | my mother board has 2 video card one in builtin and the other one is agp but the agp has no agp card inserted |
| 12:05.12 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: btw, did you get that agpgart module dealt with? |
| 12:05.17 | jm_ | wizzz: ahh maybe you need an installer with 2.6.14 kernel |
| 12:05.19 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: sorta |
| 12:05.28 | M_Cheevy | int21h: yeah.. following you so far... |
| 12:05.30 | int21h | i used the builtin video |
| 12:05.31 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS, You bet. And Mathematics is T3h suck :P |
| 12:05.36 | streuner | jm_: i told him to remove it, but that didn't was a success too... |
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| 12:05.42 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: it's still loaded, but /proc/devices/nvidia/agp/status says it's using nvidia's agp |
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| 12:05.56 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_: yeah i had two monday, got an english final today |
| 12:06.04 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: that's the important thing I guess... |
| 12:06.06 | wizzz | SerajewelKS the module name has to be put in /etc/modules but the module itself ? |
| 12:06.07 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_: we only have a test over basic definitions though |
| 12:06.11 | umbop | hey what would be the best way to grep through mail logs get the message id and then grep the message id to give me the full output of the mail process for that mail. I've done grep -i domain /var/log/maillog | awk '{print $8}' | xargs grep $1 /var/log/maillog but that just hangs |
| 12:06.27 | SerajewelKS | wizzz: well i don't know.. just answering the last part of your question |
| 12:06.41 | wizzz | ok :) |
| 12:06.46 | M_Cheevy | int21h: following you so far... no actual video cards in system.. one builtin video chipset on mobo, one empty agp slot...go ahead |
| 12:07.13 | Haukkari | Is it safe to remove a hotplug-SCSI drive just like that, from a running setup (we are testing a RAID) |
| 12:07.39 | Haukkari | it's a test-setup so data loss isn't that big a deal in this... :) |
| 12:07.46 | Haukkari | but I was just wondering what the disk will think about it |
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| 12:08.04 | M_Cheevy | Haukkari: is it still under warranty? and does the packaging say anything about a guarantee and hotplugability? |
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| 12:08.53 | Haukkari | M_Cheevy: it does have hotplug drives |
| 12:08.56 | Haukkari | M_Cheevy: it's a server.. |
| 12:08.59 | Haukkari | M_Cheevy: and it is under warranty. |
| 12:09.05 | Haukkari | M_Cheevy: it came today.. we are testing the setup |
| 12:09.12 | SerajewelKS | !tell Haukkari about enter |
| 12:09.38 | Gnea | Haukkari: how much was it? try it and see what happens? |
| 12:09.51 | Haukkari | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 12:09.57 | Haukkari | Gnea: 3000 euros. And yeah, I'll try. :) |
| 12:10.06 | SerajewelKS | Haukkari: and of course make sure it's unmounted so the kernel doesn't get confused |
| 12:10.41 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: falling down like that I figure you found those 5 guiness ;) |
| 12:11.01 | Gnea | 3,000.00 EUR |
| 12:11.01 | Gnea | Euro = 3,573.94 USD |
| 12:11.03 | Gnea | United States Dollars |
| 12:11.09 | Gnea | oop |
| 12:11.12 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: cheap for a server |
| 12:11.26 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: especially scsi raid |
| 12:11.35 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: good point |
| 12:11.52 | M_Cheevy | unless that's what he paid for the drive |
| 12:12.08 | Gnea | well then |
| 12:12.10 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:12.27 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: and I measure in NZD not USD... but can do the translation ;) |
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| 12:14.29 | M_Cheevy | Haukkari: sorry, was getting some rum cake (one of the few good things about the season)... I'd unmount the drive then unplug it, you're covered by the warranty if anything does go pear shaped |
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| 12:16.18 | Gnea | 3,000.00 EUR |
| 12:16.18 | Gnea | Euro = 5,058.56 NZD |
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| 12:16.26 | Gnea | ? :) |
| 12:16.34 | tiny | Has anybody here ran Linux from CF card? I've already placed bootloader on it and I think I will not have any problems creating kernel and FS images. But ... I need to log some things and that means permanent storage. What would be a smart way to save CF life time? |
| 12:16.35 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: like I said, Ican do the translation |
| 12:16.42 | Gnea | ehhehe |
| 12:17.09 | jm_ | tiny: remote logging? |
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| 12:17.18 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: and btw, that's about 1/2 what we paid for a compac database server about 5 yrs ago |
| 12:17.24 | sep | tiny, if remotely is unavailable, log to ramdisk, save the ramdisk daily/weekly/whatever |
| 12:17.27 | tiny | jm_: unfortunalty this system will be embedded |
| 12:17.27 | Gnea | tiny: remote logging would be ideal, if you can secure a channel |
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| 12:17.37 | jm_ | tiny: you can log via serial port then |
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| 12:18.35 | ma3x | now when I try to install kernel, when it configures, it says /dev/null: permission denied |
| 12:18.37 | ma3x | whatfor? |
| 12:18.53 | ma3x | (still on knoppix and chroot'ing /mnt/hda3) |
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| 12:19.10 | streuner | did you mount it ? |
| 12:19.14 | js_ | you probably did something stupid to /dev/null |
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| 12:19.51 | tiny | jm_: serial port? On what device? |
| 12:20.16 | ma3x | streuner how otherwise would I chroot to it? |
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| 12:20.28 | ircdevil | live bookmarks are fun. reading from below shows some fantastik context issues: "fakta gang strikes at karise" ... "gang leader executed in CA" |
| 12:20.32 | jm_ | tiny: on your embedded device? |
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| 12:20.53 | sep | ma3x, i assume you have read http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Dev_null_permission_denied |
| 12:21.00 | tiny | sep: I think I will go with your idea. Sounds like something I had in mind. |
| 12:21.13 | ircdevil | !knoppixsmite sep and ma3x |
| 12:21.14 | M_Cheevy | Tiny: just thinking abstractly here, but to extend the CF life, why not arrange to have these files written to different sections of the disk each time.. perhaps by leaving backup copies in place but not visible and deleting them as necessary to open up a rotating space... |
| 12:21.19 | tiny | jm_: linux is already running on my embedded device |
| 12:21.26 | ma3x | sep I have not |
| 12:21.30 | jm_ | tiny: well obviously ;) |
| 12:22.31 | tiny | jm_: it will not be around for serial cable to plug in .. it will be on a remote location |
| 12:22.32 | Gnea | mmmm swiss miss |
| 12:22.58 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: try a drop of spearmint essence in that... |
| 12:23.04 | jm_ | tiny: ok, then use the solution proposed above - I didn't want to suggest it because you said it's embedded device so I thought you won't have enough space for it |
| 12:23.07 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: i fscking wish |
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| 12:23.59 | M_Cheevy | you know you've been on #debian too long when you see "fscking wish" and wonder what type of file system he's checking... |
| 12:25.03 | harfooz | hi all. I have a Sarge system, that when I visit pages with other languages displayed, the fonts are rendered as hex codes. Here is an example: |
| 12:25.06 | harfooz | http://penguinsolutions.org/screenshots/Screenshot.png |
| 12:25.24 | harfooz | What should I do to get these fonts to display properly? |
| 12:25.44 | M_Cheevy | harfooz: sounds like you wisely decided not to install all those foreign fonts... |
| 12:25.46 | jm_ | apt-cache search xfonts- |
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| 12:26.20 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: might need some UTF-8 xfonts |
| 12:26.23 | Gnea | er |
| 12:26.32 | Gnea | harfooz: might need some UTF-8 xfonts |
| 12:26.53 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: biggest question is, can he read cyrrilic? |
| 12:27.11 | harfooz | nope, but there are several students here at the college who do. |
| 12:27.16 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: more importantly, can the fonts ever show up? :) |
| 12:27.36 | M_Cheevy | harfooz: ah, for a shared install... never mind.. go crazy and get them xfonts- |
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| 12:27.40 | Hoxzer | somebody here has got Gmailfs work? |
| 12:28.13 | harfooz | Is there an issue that I should be aware about installing them, M_Cheevy? |
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| 12:28.24 | streuner | sep: good work |
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| 12:28.45 | M_Cheevy | harfooz: as jm_ rightly pointed out.. there's a whole bunch of xfonts out there... only thing to keep in mind is that IF x works like windows, the more fonts in memory the more resources used... |
| 12:28.54 | Brox | i need a way how to edit files on the server from a webpage |
| 12:28.54 | harfooz | ah |
| 12:29.06 | M_Cheevy | harfooz: don't ah yet.. I did say IF |
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| 12:29.36 | Gnea | harfooz: tell you what - i'm on sid and i have the same problem (www.debian.org) gonna try to fix |
| 12:30.03 | M_Cheevy | harfooz: also, check what font manager you downloaded.. make sure you reconfigure it after you download the fonts to ensure it's hip to them |
| 12:30.13 | jm_ | Brox: sed/ed/perl ... |
| 12:30.24 | chaumurky | Hello, is debian-administration.org down? Can the articles be found elswhere? |
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| 12:30.39 | azeem | chaumurky: perhaps in google's cache? |
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| 12:30.41 | jm_ | tried google's cache? |
| 12:30.43 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:30.43 | M_Cheevy | chaumurky: don't forget google has cache |
| 12:30.54 | Brox | hm> how can i tell sed what to do from some html somewhere? |
| 12:30.57 | M_Cheevy | hahaha.. three in one ;) |
| 12:30.57 | fatal_ | did anyone mention the google cache yet? |
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| 12:31.23 | chaumurky | yes, I got that - and saved the page. just thought someone her would have more info. I really enjoyed the site. |
| 12:31.23 | M_Cheevy | Brox: you're gonna wanna read up on this archaic thing called cgi (unless it's been supplanted) |
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| 12:31.49 | M_Cheevy | chaumurky: don't know if it is down for the count.. may just be an outage |
| 12:31.58 | Brox | M_Cheevy: what is the alternative to cgi? |
| 12:32.00 | chaumurky | it's been quite a while |
| 12:32.05 | chaumurky | thnks |
| 12:32.15 | SerajewelKS | Brox: php |
| 12:32.20 | M_Cheevy | Brox: not the guy to ask... I do my webdev on MS platforms |
| 12:32.22 | jm_ | php or mode_perl or ... |
| 12:32.28 | jm_ | mod_perl even |
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| 12:32.48 | M_Cheevy | jm's more up to date on it than i..... |
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| 12:33.17 | Yagi | hi |
| 12:33.27 | M_Cheevy | yo yagi |
| 12:33.35 | jm_ | yay second xsnow storm in 3 minutes ;) |
| 12:33.39 | wizzz | re |
| 12:33.45 | Shadowcat | ouch |
| 12:33.51 | Shadowcat | newest kernel in unstable is broken |
| 12:34.01 | Gnea | harfooz: installing a ton of fonts... it'll be a few mins :) |
| 12:34.02 | wizzz | is there an install CD shipped with 2.6.14 kernel ? |
| 12:34.03 | Brox | M_Cheevy> OMG - Frontpage? XO |
| 12:34.09 | Brox | ugly html code |
| 12:34.13 | jm_ | wizzz: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 12:34.15 | vyrus001 | Shadowcat: what is the newest kernel in unstable ? |
| 12:34.23 | harfooz | ok -- thank you very much for hanging with me, Gnea |
| 12:34.24 | M_Cheevy | Brox: nope, never front page.. dreamweaver if not hand coding |
| 12:34.30 | Shadowcat | vyrus001: it's one that you shouldn't be using |
| 12:34.40 | Gnea | harfooz: no problem - it's been on my backburner for awhile now |
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| 12:35.01 | wizzz | arf |
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| 12:35.24 | vyrus001 | Shadowcat: lol well if its .14 then im using it :P |
| 12:35.26 | M_Cheevy | Brox: sorry dude... and btw, frontpage munches asp code |
| 12:35.54 | Shadowcat | [2005-12-13][13:30:56] * Now talking in #debian-devel |
| 12:35.54 | Shadowcat | [2005-12-13][13:30:56] * Topic is 'FUCKED: linux-image-2.6.14-2 (#343048), make (#342892) | g++ transition: http://xrl.us/idqt' |
| 12:35.57 | M_Cheevy | dune.. now there's a flashback |
| 12:36.10 | Gnea | Shadowcat: ROFL |
| 12:36.12 | allgo | Shadowcat: what's wrong with the kernel? |
| 12:36.21 | azeem | allgo: check the bug report |
| 12:36.25 | jm_ | you have the bug number |
| 12:36.27 | Gnea | Shadowcat: and i'm learning how to roll my own with make-kpkg this week ;) |
| 12:36.33 | allgo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.34 | Shadowcat | Gnea: n0b |
| 12:36.37 | Shadowcat | n00b* |
| 12:36.38 | Brox | Shadowcat> what did you upgrade for anyway? |
| 12:36.42 | Gnea | Shadowcat: fuck you :) |
| 12:36.44 | ma3x | I have successfully instlled the kernel. Now however I get this on boot: VFS: mounted root (cramfs filesystem) read only pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 432 cannot open /dev/console: no such file or directory Kernel panic: Not syncing Attepting to kill init! |
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| 12:37.03 | Shadowcat | Brox: I did upgrade to that kernel |
| 12:37.05 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: given your experience with kernel compiling, make-kpkg should be a breeze |
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| 12:37.13 | Gnea | Shadowcat: actually i've been compiling kernels for years, just never bothered making packages, so yeah, it's kinda fun |
| 12:37.13 | ma3x | M_Cheevy can you help me with that kernel panic? |
| 12:37.15 | vyrus001 | hmm unstable works ok for me... 2.6.14-k7 |
| 12:37.16 | jm_ | ma3x: you failed to load initrd or it's fucked |
| 12:37.19 | Shadowcat | but I don't use debian repository kernels by default |
| 12:37.31 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: which kernel panic? |
| 12:37.33 | Gnea | yeah neither do i |
| 12:37.37 | ma3x | M_Cheevy I just posted it |
| 12:37.38 | Shadowcat | I use my own custom kernels |
| 12:37.39 | Gnea | not unless i have to |
| 12:37.51 | ma3x | Shadowcat you're so genius |
| 12:37.58 | Brox | Shadowcat> i mean what for? just because new ist better? ;) |
| 12:38.05 | Gnea | there needs to be some non-initrd kernels thrown into the mix |
| 12:38.10 | Shadowcat | Brox: I upgraded to it |
| 12:38.14 | Shadowcat | I'm not running it |
| 12:38.24 | Shadowcat | I can't run it anyway |
| 12:38.25 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: simple, your initrd is failing to find the harddrives |
| 12:38.25 | Brox | Shadowcat> you fiddle with the source? |
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| 12:38.34 | vyrus001 | Brox: lol cus the default deb kernel comes with EVRYTHING installed as mod |
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| 12:38.36 | Shadowcat | my boxes are software suspend 2 enabled |
| 12:38.46 | Shadowcat | which means that I need a custom kernel to begin with |
| 12:38.52 | Shadowcat | initrds suck |
| 12:38.53 | ma3x | M_Cheevy how do you know? |
| 12:38.58 | Gnea | yeah they do |
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| 12:39.12 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: a) the pivot statement. b) the failure to find anything after that point |
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| 12:39.48 | ma3x | M_Cheevy somebody told me earlier to edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf with this values: ROOT="" and MODULES="most" |
| 12:39.49 | ma3x | could that be it? |
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| 12:40.02 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: either that or the contents of the harddrive are no longer valid |
| 12:40.20 | wizzz | jm_ great you are my hero, thanks for the link |
| 12:40.28 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: with ROOT=""? I think that could be it... |
| 12:40.40 | ma3x | M_Cheevy what should I put there??? |
| 12:40.48 | ma3x | and please tell me what do you have at modules= ? |
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| 12:40.55 | Gnea | Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-toshi-toshi (1.0.8174-1+toshi.1) ... |
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| 12:40.57 | Gnea | YES! |
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| 12:41.16 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: it should be something like ROOT="(hd0,3)" or ROOT="/dev/hda3"... not sure which syntax it wants but "" means no root |
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| 12:41.33 | allgo | Shadowcat, do you have a bug report number? i can't find it |
| 12:41.35 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: ever since that nvidia tweak stuff, cube has been awfully unstable |
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| 12:41.40 | ma3x | M_Cheevy and tell me about modules= please |
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| 12:42.06 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: I make my own initrd using a script for dmraid, I don't use mkinitrd |
| 12:42.10 | ma3x | ok hold on |
| 12:42.14 | Shadowcat | allgo: why are you running unstable if you can't find bug reports? |
| 12:42.39 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: You are in a virtual machine running this? or do I remember wrong? |
| 12:43.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:43.09 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:43.24 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 12:43.30 | Shadowcat | they should rename it popcorn instead |
| 12:43.32 | Shadowcat | easier to remember |
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| 12:43.45 | M_Cheevy | that's what I thought I saw at first glance.. popcorn |
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| 12:44.25 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: regardless, if it's screwing things up, back out the changes... worth a shot.. only like 10 lines of typing |
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| 12:45.02 | M_Cheevy | and popcorn brings up images of the movies and the academy awards which are nothing more than a popularity contest anyway... |
| 12:45.21 | jm_ | streun;maybe that bug was hitting him :) |
| 12:45.23 | jm_ | not here |
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| 12:47.12 | Gnea | hrm, something is seriously fucked... |
| 12:47.24 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: font install completed? |
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| 12:47.52 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: just about... i just found another problem regarding nvidia drivers and 2.6.14, this is gonna get messy |
| 12:48.30 | M_Cheevy | gnea: what's the buzz.. using the nvidia drivers myself, but not yet at 2.6.14... was thinking about it though... |
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| 12:49.23 | johaBBa | how do i force a module NOT to load on boot? |
| 12:49.31 | johaBBa | the opposite of /etc/modules ? |
| 12:49.34 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: well i'm trying to get that whole framebuffer vesa to work too - when it comes up the screen goes blank and when gdm starts it locks up userland - kernel and networking stay up tho |
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| 12:50.18 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: btw, did you rebuild your nvidia driver after installing the new kernel? |
| 12:50.26 | Gnea | yup |
| 12:50.57 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: worth a shot.... and you did check that you set your kernel options correctly? no RivaFB support? |
| 12:51.07 | Gnea | oh hell no - vesa |
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| 12:51.35 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: like I said, checking the little things first... besides it's almost 0200 here... getting a little brain fogged ;) |
| 12:51.47 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:52.03 | M_Cheevy | that's why I'm on the win box.. I trash this, no worries ;) |
| 12:52.33 | M_Cheevy | if midnight is the witching hour, 2am is the screwup hour |
| 12:52.42 | Gnea | yeah, this is on another system |
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| 12:52.56 | M_Cheevy | heya nixxie |
| 12:53.00 | Gnea | i think i need to restart X here in order to get the fonts to work... |
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| 12:53.17 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: sounds like getting X started is the problem... |
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| 12:54.25 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: quick question, does the new kernel want/depend on udev? |
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| 12:59.14 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: i don't see udev as being a problem |
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| 12:59.38 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: wondering about the agp... still wrapping my head around udev |
| 12:59.52 | Gnea | well i can't even tell what the problem is - i bet it's the fb |
| 12:59.58 | Gnea | but wait |
| 12:59.59 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: okay, have barely started... had enough on my mind with device-mapper |
| 13:00.00 | Gnea | no, it's nvidia |
| 13:00.08 | piyosan | hui |
| 13:00.08 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: log files? |
| 13:00.10 | piyosan | hi |
| 13:00.18 | piyosan | hay algun español en este chat? |
| 13:00.37 | M_Cheevy | !es |
| 13:00.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:00.49 | Guerin | M_Cheevy: #debian0-es is not a chat channel |
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| 13:01.13 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: no see, i went back to the previous kernel, and having upgraded the nvidia-glx already, X broke - so i updated the nvidia kernel driver and now it's doing the SAME thing locking the system up |
| 13:01.14 | M_Cheevy | Guerin: guess dpkg needs an update then |
| 13:01.22 | Guerin | M_Cheevy: no. |
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| 13:01.33 | Guerin | M_Cheevy: you just need to know when to use him |
| 13:01.44 | Gnea | i can ping the system but can't ssh to it |
| 13:02.08 | Guerin | Gnea: fix your sshd |
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| 13:02.17 | M_Cheevy | Guerin: I take it had something to do with what he said in a language I don't speak? |
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| 13:02.33 | Gnea | Guerin: the problem is not sshd |
| 13:02.54 | Guerin | M_Cheevy: he used the word 'chat' |
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| 13:03.25 | tijn | hi all |
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| 13:03.37 | M_Cheevy | Guerin: 0200, didn't read that far.. saw a lanuage I don't know well and hit the key.. a little punchy I guess... |
| 13:03.53 | tijn | OT question, can i let 2 wireless access points communicate with each other? |
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| 13:04.30 | M_Cheevy | tijn: like a relay? |
| 13:04.36 | tijn | yes |
| 13:04.58 | tijn | network ---- Wacces -> <---Waccess---network |
| 13:05.07 | M_Cheevy | tijn: well as it's OT, I'm not devoting too much cpu time to it.. (that and it's 2am here).. but quick answer is, I think so.. |
| 13:05.19 | tijn | ok thanks :D |
| 13:05.53 | M_Cheevy | tijn: as long as they are on the same subnet they should see each other... |
| 13:06.06 | tijn | ok |
| 13:06.13 | tijn | thnx for your help |
| 13:06.14 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: oh... this is amusing... http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html |
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| 13:06.21 | msinhore | hello all |
| 13:06.26 | M_Cheevy | tijn: I would definately statically assign the ip... don't use dhcp for them or on them |
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| 13:07.22 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: Damn, can't get a more ringing condemnation of Gnome or endorsement of KDE than that! |
| 13:08.17 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: from Linus himself no less! |
| 13:08.35 | antgel | is there any way to make clusterssh work with ssh keys? still haven't found it in the docs |
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| 13:08.40 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: but he's right, that mentality is so Redmond |
| 13:08.44 | Brox | M_Cheevy: but i dont know what i need kde for - and it is supposed to be more buggy |
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| 13:09.04 | M_Cheevy | Brox: check the link Gnea posted |
| 13:09.05 | antgel | Brox: you don't need either |
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| 13:09.23 | M_Cheevy | in fact.. in unix you don't NEED x for that matter |
| 13:09.26 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: exactly |
| 13:09.27 | msinhore | I compile my kernel with command 'make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image' and on boot moment the system run a busybox and not find a /dev/hda5 for mount de root '/'. I use the initramfs package for create a initrd from sid. |
| 13:10.00 | msinhore | What is the problem on my kernel? |
| 13:10.08 | Brox | antgel> true |
| 13:10.26 | Brox | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.32 | Brox | antgel> ;) |
| 13:10.38 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: i'm especially amused by the fact that he slammed GNOME and pimped KDE on *the official* GNOME mailing list. |
| 13:10.40 | M_Cheevy | here's the Beatles again..... |
| 13:11.06 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: that's Linus for ya ;) gotta love the guy.. he's got chutzpah |
| 13:11.14 | Gnea | haha |
| 13:11.39 | Gnea | i'm not much of a KDE or GNOME person myself - but i have preferred the way that KDE has progressed over the years |
| 13:11.55 | Gnea | it actually works... |
| 13:12.05 | antgel | i think if anybody else did that it would be a big fucking troll. he wrote a kernel. he's not god |
| 13:12.11 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: I do like it's philosophy.. hell anything's better than twm or fvwm |
| 13:12.15 | Gnea | now this font thing may need some special locale generation |
| 13:12.27 | Gnea | fvwm2! |
| 13:12.28 | Gnea | :D |
| 13:12.38 | antgel | M_Cheevy: there are lots of window managers apart from twm or fvwm |
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| 13:12.52 | M_Cheevy | antgel: he's not god.. but he is the "daddy" of linux... that counts for a certain amount of leeway |
| 13:12.53 | Brox | Gnea: your the man! |
| 13:13.05 | M_Cheevy | antgel: no shit... I was talking history |
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| 13:13.26 | weissi | ion3 rocks |
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| 13:13.47 | M_Cheevy | antgel: you know history.. back when you were probably still figuring out how to get away with spitballin' the black board.... |
| 13:13.59 | antgel | M_Cheevy: i note you put daddy in quotes, signifying that it's a meaningless term. i think he shouldn't abuse his position to post pointless flamebait |
| 13:14.02 | Gnea | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-8174 Tue Nov 22 17:48:37 PST 2005 |
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| 13:14.10 | antgel | M_Cheevy: i have no idea what spitballin' is |
| 13:14.17 | Gnea | NVRM: PAT index 1 already configured for WRite-Combining! |
| 13:14.29 | Gnea | NVRM: Aborting, due to PAT already being configured |
| 13:14.35 | Gnea | something just not right about that.... |
| 13:14.37 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 13:14.44 | lgd_ | in order debian is |
| 13:14.48 | M_Cheevy | antgel: I guess technology has done away with the classic school room prank of making spit balls out of paper and getting them to stick to the blackboard... |
| 13:14.50 | lgd_ | stable unstable testing ? |
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| 13:15.00 | Brox | lgd_> i agree |
| 13:15.03 | Gnea | stable testing unstable |
| 13:15.04 | antgel | M_Cheevy: sad but true |
| 13:15.20 | antgel | lgd_: blue green red |
| 13:15.26 | antgel | ;) |
| 13:15.29 | lgd_ | =) |
| 13:15.33 | Brox | lgd_> with "in order debian is" |
| 13:15.42 | M_Cheevy | as for "daddy" in quotes... it was more that I was using the "Father of our Country" kinda metaphor in vernacular |
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| 13:15.47 | Brox | lgd_> its just what im thinking at the moment |
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| 13:16.18 | M_Cheevy | personally, my firstgrade fav was the old tack on the teacher's chair |
| 13:16.36 | Brox | M_Cheevy> thats mental |
| 13:16.49 | M_Cheevy | Brox: I was 6... it was a cliche |
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| 13:17.15 | weissi | lgd_: stable is very stable, but not very up 2 date; testing is ok I think and unstable depends, but it's possible that you have to fix your hole system after an apt-get upgrade... |
| 13:17.39 | SerajewelKS | weissi: hole system? sounds kinky. |
| 13:17.54 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: just protect your scsi port! ;) |
| 13:17.59 | Brox | M_Cheevy> why didnt you just kick his backside |
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| 13:18.09 | weissi | sorry, s/hole/whole/ |
| 13:18.15 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 13:18.18 | Brox | M_Cheevy> same thing but more direct |
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| 13:18.55 | M_Cheevy | Brox: you seem to be missing something..... 1st Grade... I was 6yrs old... not exactly the height of maturity |
| 13:19.56 | M_Cheevy | or courage against authority... it was only 1969.. in middle class WASP suburban hell |
| 13:20.46 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: while spitballs may be fun, they've been replaced with something even more fun (for geeks) |
| 13:21.02 | M_Cheevy | the new york state highway was still clogged by broken down VW's from woodstock |
| 13:21.14 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i programmed my palm's universal remote with the codes for the projectors at my university |
| 13:21.15 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: hacking their Credit Record with Equifax? ;) |
| 13:21.22 | mario | anybody has experience with coda/gfs? |
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| 13:21.43 | mario | is there any advantage using any of them? |
| 13:22.05 | mario | i mean using coda instead of gfs or the other way round? |
| 13:22.12 | mario | for a network file system |
| 13:22.27 | mario | to share between 2 webservers? |
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| 13:22.43 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: it seems Xorg takes a hard dive - i found a broken symlink in /usr/lib but that didn't seem to fix it - at least the system isn't totally borked, but userland has pretty much been wiped out completely |
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| 13:22.59 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: bugger! |
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| 13:23.12 | Gnea | yeah :( |
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| 13:23.28 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: remember what I was saying about us old heads and tarballs? |
| 13:23.52 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: there's a lot you can do in class with a wifi palm... |
| 13:24.05 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I can imagine ;) |
| 13:24.18 | bobbens | hotplug detects my wacom tablet as /dev/input/mouse1 but i want it to be detected as an event, like for example /dev/input/event4. How would i get this working? |
| 13:24.32 | jm_ | bobbens: you can use it as both |
| 13:24.34 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: especially if the prof uses an insecure Win machine to put his powerpoint presso's on screen |
| 13:24.49 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: well in that case i just use the universal remote =) |
| 13:25.01 | bobbens | jm_: right now no event picks up wacom movement, i need to correct this to get pressure sensibility, how can i do that? |
| 13:25.18 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I like how you think... ever use Thai Fermented Fish Sauce as a prank tool? |
| 13:25.27 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: no |
| 13:25.41 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: the possibilities are endless... the stuff REEKS! |
| 13:25.52 | jm_ | bobbens: did you test this with evtest? |
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| 13:26.22 | bobbens | jm_: i was just using cat /dev/input/eventx |
| 13:26.24 | M_Cheevy | my uni fav was the old magazine envelope of talcum powder... just tuck it under the door and drop a book on it.... talcum powder EVERYWHERE |
| 13:26.48 | SerajewelKS | lol |
| 13:27.07 | jm_ | bobbens: do you have support for evdev in your kernel? |
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| 13:27.10 | Magaly | hi |
| 13:27.12 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: and Gel shaving works well too... expands when agitated |
| 13:27.38 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yeah i usually just mess with their computers |
| 13:27.40 | bobbens | jm_: i should, lsmod | grep evdev shows its loaded |
| 13:27.53 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: it's amazing how just changing the wallpaper can freak out a windows user |
| 13:27.58 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: never underestimate the old school approach ;) |
| 13:28.10 | jm_ | bobbens: are you sure it's event4? |
| 13:28.15 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: well messing with computers is non-destructive |
| 13:28.18 | Magaly | i use debian sid with kernel 2.6.14. I have a USB 2.0 PCI Host Adaptor but can not work. Any idea why? |
| 13:28.29 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: someone has to clean up the talcum powder |
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| 13:28.49 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: we once snuck into one guys dorm room and removed every screw, nut, bolt, spring... he opened the door, it fell off the hinges.. opended a drawer, the ones above fell down... sat on his bed, fell through |
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| 13:28.52 | SerajewelKS | Magaly: maybe 'cause you're using sid? |
| 13:29.06 | Magaly | SerajewelKS, yes? |
| 13:29.09 | bobbens | jm_: no, the thing is that it's no event and i want it to be event4, because event1-3 are used and dont respond to wacom movement. I only have detected /dev/input/mouse1 to be connected to wacom movement |
| 13:29.23 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: hah |
| 13:29.27 | M_Cheevy | bobbens: serial or usb wacom? |
| 13:29.36 | bobbens | M_Cheevy: usb |
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| 13:29.55 | M_Cheevy | bobbens: bugger, got a serial one I've yet to try to get working.. |
| 13:29.56 | Magaly | dont work in sid pci usb adaptor? |
| 13:30.23 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: it was the early 80s.. we were somewhat limited in our access to pcs then... |
| 13:30.32 | bobbens | M_Cheevy: i had it working, but i formatted for various reasons. I have same set up, just need to connect a /dev/input/event to the wacom so i can link that to /dev/input/wacom and then have it properly load it |
| 13:30.34 | jm_ | bobbens: is this Intuos or Graphire tablet? |
| 13:30.41 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yeah |
| 13:30.42 | bobbens | jm_: graphire 2 |
| 13:30.52 | jm_ | bobbens: do you have wacom module loaded? |
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| 13:31.01 | M_Cheevy | bobbens: like I said.. mine is serial and I haven't even tried to get it set up yet |
| 13:31.05 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: there's the famous "take a screenshot, set it as the wallpaper, and delete all the desktop icons" trick |
| 13:31.13 | bobbens | jm_: yeah |
| 13:31.18 | Magaly | somebody help me? |
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| 13:31.34 | SerajewelKS | Magaly: why are you using sid? |
| 13:31.42 | bobbens | jm_: also have proper xorg.conf, ive nailed the problem at no /dev/input/event being connected to wacom and thus it doesnt work well |
| 13:31.54 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: We did have a few pranks to play in the computer labs... there was "Backtalk" took away the prompt and gave you a lot of lip... Spindrive... which "detected water in drive a" and spun the hell out of the 5.25" diskette |
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| 13:31.56 | Magaly | i am using sid for more than 4 years |
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| 13:32.01 | jm_ | bobbens: then I have no idea why it wouldn't work, as long as usbhid is also loaded |
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| 13:32.05 | bobbens | jm_: im thinking it's hotplug's problem so i might have to make a rule or something like that |
| 13:32.08 | Magaly | SerajewelKS, |
| 13:32.19 | jm_ | bobbens: wait, are you using udev? |
| 13:32.19 | Magaly | i like sid |
| 13:32.21 | bobbens | jm_: modules are just fine |
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| 13:32.37 | SerajewelKS | Magaly: lots of things in sid are broken, and it's not officially supported in #debian |
| 13:32.43 | bobbens | jm_: im not using udev since i have to use a custom kernel which doesnt work with udev or ill break stuff like my opengl |
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| 13:32.46 | SerajewelKS | Magaly: if it doesn't work, use stable or testing |
| 13:33.02 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i remember this nice program for the C64 that would spin the drive to make music |
| 13:33.04 | Magaly | okis sera asking in other place |
| 13:33.06 | Magaly | thanks |
| 13:33.15 | jm_ | bobbens: then I'm really out of ideas, sorry |
| 13:33.22 | harfooz | Gnea, I've been away from the desk. Did the language font fix work? |
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| 13:33.26 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: You are a freshman? no? and you remember the C64?? |
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| 13:33.39 | quoth | anyone got any good recommendations on a support ticketing system? Is RT any good? |
| 13:33.41 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yeah, i learned BASIC on that thing |
| 13:33.41 | Magaly | bies |
| 13:33.42 | Gnea | harfooz: no, i think it has to be done with locale generation - not sure tho :/ |
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| 13:33.51 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: had fun messing with the shadow rom |
| 13:33.53 | M_Cheevy | harfooz: I think his install went tits up when he installed a new kernel.... |
| 13:34.02 | harfooz | :-O |
| 13:34.09 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: hell that was a museum piece even then! |
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| 13:34.20 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yup |
| 13:34.20 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: that was on the other system :P |
| 13:34.24 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: was a lot of fun though |
| 13:34.31 | Gnea | thanks |
| 13:34.37 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: some of the greats got started on those... |
| 13:34.38 | bobbens | jm_: do you know what program makes the /dev/input/event linked to stuff like wacoms? hotplug right? |
| 13:34.46 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: hmmmm =) |
| 13:35.05 | jm_ | bobbens: no, it's the driver that should do this when you load it |
| 13:35.11 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: probably my masterpiece was this program that would present you with a list of BASIC keywords and let you change them |
| 13:35.18 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: remember InfoCom games??? Zork? ;) |
| 13:35.27 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yeah only got zork to work a few times though |
| 13:35.32 | jm_ | bobbens: wait is your problem that event4 file doesn't exist? |
| 13:35.50 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: M.U.L.E |
| 13:35.53 | bobbens | jm_: i think i got it now. Installing wacom-tools (which i dont know why i didnt have installed). read in the description it has some hotplug scripts |
| 13:35.57 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i still play that with vice |
| 13:36.03 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: did find a copy of one of the infocom classics online, running through a website... Leather Goddesses of Phobos |
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| 13:36.19 | bobbens | jm_: my problem is that event4 which would be wacoms event following logical order doesnt exist yes |
| 13:36.22 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: oh and archon 2 |
| 13:36.29 | M_Cheevy | SeraJewel: and you've found Mame? |
| 13:36.31 | SerajewelKS | bobbens: mknod |
| 13:36.38 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yeah don't like it much |
| 13:36.56 | liran | uhmm, here's a general question |
| 13:37.06 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: god, those machines sucked quite a few quarters out of my student pockets... |
| 13:37.18 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yeah probably why.. i hardly ever played arcades |
| 13:37.21 | liran | which program is incharge of the login sequence? the Login and Password prompt and authentication against PAM? it's /bin/login? |
| 13:37.26 | M_Cheevy | sorry, can't answer, just a corporal |
| 13:37.36 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: so i tried mame and i started getting pissed off because of the damn time limits |
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| 13:38.31 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: oh, i think i played Wizard of Wor the most on C64 |
| 13:38.41 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i made it to like level 75 |
| 13:38.41 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel... for not playing much you managed to last pretty long.. then again, I might be still running the free version of Mame.. been a while since I updated it.. did it go shareware? |
| 13:38.52 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: after level 20 or so it's just the same level forever |
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| 13:39.25 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: last pretty long? |
| 13:39.26 | M_Cheevy | Serajewel: didn't do much on the commies... mostly early HP stuff (mainframes) and an Apple II (not even colour).. then I laid off till I got my XT |
| 13:39.34 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i hardly used mame at all, how could i have lasted long |
| 13:39.55 | M_Cheevy | Sera: time limits... thought it was mame you were referring too |
| 13:40.02 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: and please use tab or something |
| 13:40.07 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: uh yeah |
| 13:40.15 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: the game images for mame usually have a time limit on them |
| 13:40.25 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: sorry, quit forgetting it's there... getting late |
| 13:40.39 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i mean for like the arcade game... pitfall for example |
| 13:40.48 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: you have to keep getting bonuses or your time will run out |
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| 13:41.19 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: time limits (aka cut off) or levels just repeating? |
| 13:41.21 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: mame is FOSS |
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| 13:41.29 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: time limits |
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| 13:41.46 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: SMB is way different for arcade btw |
| 13:41.46 | M_Cheevy | haven't encountered them yet.. could be the rom's I'm using |
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| 13:42.13 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: okay... acronym hell here.. SMB FOSS... |
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| 13:42.21 | SerajewelKS | !foss |
| 13:42.22 | dpkg | from memory, foss is Free and Open Source Software |
| 13:42.24 | M_Cheevy | smp I know... |
| 13:42.32 | M_Cheevy | !SMB |
| 13:42.32 | dpkg | smb is probably Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS |
| 13:42.42 | M_Cheevy | doubt that's it.. |
| 13:42.51 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: smb is also Super Mario Brothers |
| 13:42.51 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: okay |
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| 13:43.04 | M_Cheevy | ah.. post my arcade days... |
| 13:43.10 | M_Cheevy | I'm pre-nintendo |
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| 13:43.19 | SerajewelKS | !smb |
| 13:43.19 | dpkg | hmm... smb is Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS. Super Mario Brothers |
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| 13:43.21 | Coke | Yeah, and Super Mario Brothers is far more important than anything Microsoft has ever made. |
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| 13:43.36 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: smb =~ s/. /, or / |
| 13:43.36 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: OK |
| 13:43.39 | SerajewelKS | !smb |
| 13:43.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, smb is Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS, or Super Mario Brothers |
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| 13:43.44 | M_Cheevy | Defintely... know the history of gaming... never owned a nintendo though |
| 13:43.44 | SerajewelKS | better |
| 13:44.03 | Coke | Had a NES and a SNES, but Nintendo went downhill from there. |
| 13:44.26 | SerajewelKS | Coke: n64 is ok |
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| 13:44.55 | SerajewelKS | Coke: i still find myself wanting to play mario 64 now and then |
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| 13:45.09 | quitte | Coke: gc can run linux |
| 13:45.15 | synic | ocarina of time == win |
| 13:45.17 | jm_ | bobbens: create it? |
| 13:45.26 | SerajewelKS | synic: oh, heck yeah |
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| 13:45.35 | M_Cheevy | isn't an ocarina a musical instrument? |
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| 13:45.40 | synic | it sure is. |
| 13:45.40 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yes |
| 13:45.49 | ma3x | this yaird is fucking annoying |
| 13:45.53 | Guerin | the most annoying musical instrument of ALL TIME |
| 13:45.54 | ma3x | it fucks up your debian |
| 13:45.56 | SerajewelKS | for some reason i'm one of the only nintendo fans that didn't really like wind waker all that much |
| 13:45.57 | M_Cheevy | guess the metaphor is lost on me... |
| 13:46.13 | secher | Holy Hell.. what just happened? I just upgraded my laptop and now it won't boot! I get /bin/cat : /sys/block/hdc/dev: no such file or directory followed by /bin/dash can't access tty; job control turned off. <panic> |
| 13:46.16 | synic | SerajewelKS: I liked it quite a bit |
| 13:46.16 | ma3x | and nobody has yet submitted a bug for yiard |
| 13:46.18 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: i think you're plenty capable of doing that without yaird's help |
| 13:46.21 | ma3x | secher the same happened to me |
| 13:46.25 | ma3x | attention everybody |
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| 13:46.29 | ma3x | secher is having the same problem |
| 13:46.34 | ma3x | as I did have, since yesterday |
| 13:46.41 | ma3x | let's help him here! |
| 13:46.42 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 13:46.42 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 13:46.51 | SerajewelKS | synic: it was ok once through |
| 13:46.51 | Coke | SerajewelKS: naw, N64 destroyed all my favorite games by making them crappy 3D-games a la Tomb Raider. |
| 13:47.06 | SerajewelKS | synic: but i didn't finish the second quest.. got so friggin bored |
| 13:47.12 | Coke | 3D graphics has destoyed more than NES games, though. |
| 13:47.12 | ma3x | secher you have knoppix boot cd?? |
| 13:47.17 | synic | SerajewelKS: ah... the only game I really played repeatedly was Super Metroid. |
| 13:47.22 | SerajewelKS | synic: the GBA saved me for a while though.. it adds a nice dimension to the game |
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| 13:47.36 | secher | No, but I can FTP one. |
| 13:47.45 | synic | damn that's a good game |
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| 13:48.03 | ma3x | secher or do you have your old kernel? |
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| 13:48.23 | secher | ma3x: nope.. |
| 13:48.32 | M_Cheevy | Frank Rizzo??? wasn't he a philadelphia mayor who left the city with an "unexplained" deficit???? |
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| 13:48.46 | secher | M_Cheevy, Rizzo was slime. |
| 13:48.47 | SerajewelKS | secher: you removed your previous kernel while installing a new one? |
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| 13:48.55 | ma3x | secher: ok. the problem is: the new kernel requires "Yaird" and that fucks up the initrd image |
| 13:49.02 | M_Cheevy | secher: I know, i was there then... Rank L. Fizzo we called him... |
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| 13:49.23 | secher | SerajewelKS, I've been running 2.6.14 for weeks now. |
| 13:49.23 | M_Cheevy | secher: do a /whois on synic |
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| 13:49.34 | SerajewelKS | secher: so what did you change that caused the panic? |
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| 13:50.08 | secher | I upgraded, and it installed 2.6.14 release 5 over my 2.6.14 release 4 |
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| 13:50.32 | SerajewelKS | i thought apt didn't automatically fetch new kernels O_o |
| 13:50.35 | ma3x | secher: the solution is : get a knoppix boot cd, mount your debian partition (carefully with -o rw) and chroot to it. Then copy there the linux-image(the previous version you had) and the headers, and install them! and you're saved. |
| 13:50.36 | secher | ma3x: how do I get yaird and initrd to play nicely? |
| 13:50.45 | synic | M_Cheevy: heh, frank rizzo is from the jerky boys. |
| 13:50.56 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: or don't use unstable |
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| 13:51.13 | M_Cheevy | oh great.. one of these guys who has to use every new kernel version.... |
| 13:51.33 | secher | M_Cheevy, Hold on,, all I did was apt=get upgrade. |
| 13:51.34 | M_Cheevy | synic: trust me, he was a corrupt philadelphia mayor before the jerky boys |
| 13:51.34 | ma3x | secher: that I don't know either. but Yiard has /etc/yiard/Defaults.cfg and Template.cfg. And if you look at the template, there is /sys/block/hda/dev there. And that fucks it up! |
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| 13:51.57 | synic | M_Cheevy: *shrug* |
| 13:52.04 | __filip_ | What do i need to install to play wmv ? |
| 13:52.17 | synic | w32codecs |
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| 13:52.30 | secher | ma3x: Thanks man. will do.. |
| 13:52.31 | M_Cheevy | secher: and do you also pull the full party lever in the voting booth? never take anything sight unseen, use aptitude or a similar prog to see exactly what you're going to upgrade and if it will really make a difference |
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| 13:52.54 | iced_rose | which movie player is better for debian ? |
| 13:53.01 | SerajewelKS | !better |
| 13:53.01 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 13:53.04 | __filip_ | i cant find w32codecs in synaptic. |
| 13:53.06 | iced_rose | mplayer or realplayer |
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| 13:53.13 | jm_ | !tell __filip_ -about marillat |
| 13:53.13 | SerajewelKS | !tell __filip_ about marillat |
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| 13:53.19 | SerajewelKS | yeah =) |
| 13:53.21 | streuner | ma3x: wtf is yiard? |
| 13:53.25 | SerajewelKS | iced_rose: probably mplayer |
| 13:53.25 | jm_ | that should do it :) |
| 13:53.27 | Gnea | !best |
| 13:53.28 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 13:53.28 | ma3x | Internal Server Error |
| 13:53.29 | ma3x | no end with dot : ["/archive/2005/04/15/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.11-ia64/", ["2005"]] |
| 13:53.37 | M_Cheevy | yaird = yet another Init Rd |
| 13:53.38 | iced_rose | hmm ok |
| 13:53.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: too late |
| 13:53.44 | ma3x | what the hell is with snapshot site? |
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| 13:53.50 | ma3x | streuner yiard is a fuckup tool |
| 13:53.52 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: funk dat |
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| 13:54.02 | streuner | ma3x: hm, did you file a bugreport yet? |
| 13:54.03 | secher | M_Cheevy, I'd rather keep current, so if there's a problem, I don't have to try and wade through a 150 package install to see what's wrong. I only have to troubleshoot say, 10 packages. |
| 13:54.14 | ma3x | streuner NO! and i wont probably |
| 13:54.21 | ma3x | streuner nobody did |
| 13:54.35 | M_Cheevy | secher: and well, now you've seen what blind upgrading can do..... |
| 13:54.37 | streuner | ma3x: well, you're familar now with that crap... :-) |
| 13:54.48 | ma3x | streuner definetely! |
| 13:54.48 | Gnea | ma3x: sucks to be you huh |
| 13:54.51 | jm_ | streuner: did you see bug 343048 ? |
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| 13:55.00 | streuner | !dbugs 343048 |
| 13:55.04 | dpkg | #343048:[linux-image-2.6.14-2-686] linux-image-2.6.14-2-686: ide fails to initialize, fails to boot; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:03:02 UTC |
| 13:55.05 | Hoxzer | how do I set up folder to be writable to me? |
| 13:55.07 | jharrisonwk | streuner! |
| 13:55.15 | ma3x | Gnea, and imagine 2 days ago my 250 GB hard disk died - has millions of badblocks |
| 13:55.16 | streuner | jharrisonwk: hi |
| 13:55.17 | jcwong | indeed |
| 13:55.28 | medhi | Hoxzer:chmod |
| 13:55.28 | ma3x | Gnea yesterday I sent it out (lucky that it was under warranty) |
| 13:55.42 | Gnea | ma3x: you've been using linux for how long? |
| 13:55.46 | Hoxzer | medhi: and what paraments? |
| 13:55.47 | jharrisonwk | anyone here use abit boards? |
| 13:55.56 | Gnea | jharrisonwk: used to |
| 13:56.03 | medhi | Hoxzer:depends if u are the owner |
| 13:56.14 | Hoxzer | root is owner |
| 13:56.19 | medhi | anf the group ? |
| 13:56.23 | streuner | jm_: well, i don't unterstand why he got an error with an 'older' kernel then ;-) |
| 13:56.26 | M_Cheevy | root beer is owner lubricant |
| 13:56.55 | jm_ | streuner: did you read through all of that? people did the same and they ended up with non-working old kernel too |
| 13:56.58 | ma3x | Gnea: well I used it 7 years ago, and then made a long break, and 3-5 months I started again |
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| 13:57.09 | streuner | jm_: oh |
| 13:57.13 | jharrisonwk | Gnea: how did you like the abit stuff? |
| 13:57.24 | Gnea | jharrisonwk: it was alright - mine was a bp6 :) |
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| 13:57.36 | jharrisonwk | Gnea: what do you use now? |
| 13:57.42 | ma3x | M_Cheevy what do you mean blind upgrading? How should he have been aware about that, how should I have been? Nobody submitted a bug report |
| 13:57.44 | Gnea | asus, tyan |
| 13:57.50 | medhi | Hoxzer:witch group owns the file ? |
| 13:57.50 | M_Cheevy | jharrisonwk: I've been using tyan for years... pretty good boards... |
| 13:57.51 | Gnea | msi |
| 13:57.53 | ma3x | M_Cheevy they shouldn't release that yiard shit |
| 13:58.00 | streuner | jm_: that's the most worst stuff i ever heard... |
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| 13:58.04 | ma3x | yaird or whatever |
| 13:58.08 | jharrisonwk | M_Cheevy: yeah tyan are good |
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| 13:58.09 | jm_ | streuner: heh |
| 13:58.18 | jharrisonwk | we use some tyan server boards at work |
| 13:58.20 | Gnea | ma3x: you have much to learn, young grasshopper |
| 13:58.21 | jharrisonwk | very good stuff |
| 13:58.23 | Hoxzer | medhi: I got problem solved |
| 13:58.27 | streuner | jm_: never heard that before..., its tricky ;-) |
| 13:58.27 | medhi | k |
| 13:58.34 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: by looking at the files in the upgrade queue using aptitude or similar and unselecting what you don't need or don't know about |
| 13:58.47 | jm_ | streuner: well what can I say, sid++ |
| 13:58.55 | streuner | haha |
| 13:59.04 | ma3x | Gnea: I don't really want to learn much. I'm just a bloody user who checks his mail and updates daily. I do nothing really |
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| 13:59.13 | Gnea | ma3x: let's see, you're using what again? sarge? etch? sid? |
| 13:59.28 | M_Cheevy | jharrison: I've been running a tyan tiger dual amd board for about 3-5yrs now.. no problems... |
| 13:59.35 | streuner | Gnea: we are familar with that now... |
| 13:59.50 | streuner | Gnea: we know already what he's using |
| 13:59.51 | Gnea | streuner: *nod* |
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| 14:00.11 | Gnea | it's obviously he doesn't want any help |
| 14:00.21 | streuner | Gnea, jm_: the thing is, if i had the same problem i prolly would give up on that ... ;-) |
| 14:00.27 | ma3x | M_Cheevy new kernel is not a little thing. They shouldn't put it on dpo just like that. It's big consequence. |
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| 14:00.37 | ma3x | Gnea: sid |
| 14:01.12 | Gnea | ma3x: sid has always been broken, sid is broken and sid will ALWAYS BE BROKEN. you knew that from the start, and thus there is no reason for you to be complaining about it. |
| 14:01.21 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: look guy, you're running linux and sid at that. and you "don't want to learn"??? stay with windows dude.... you need linux like a whole in the head if all you're doing is checking mail |
| 14:01.28 | ma3x | Gnea actually the reason that I upgraded to sid was just to get those little extra features like mplayer,some plugins... and all those tiny thingies |
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| 14:01.45 | jm_ | streuner: I would never have such a problem |
| 14:01.59 | streuner | jm_: sure :-) |
| 14:02.10 | streuner | you are using sarge or etch :-) |
| 14:02.14 | jm_ | streuner: I mean because I don't use Debian kernels, not because of sid |
| 14:02.14 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: look try gentoo... it's a lot "friendlier" for your type of user |
| 14:02.18 | ma3x | M_Cheevy now look, the main reason I'm using linux is that my laptop fan is working less under linux, and it's not disturbing me. In windows it buzzes all night long, and I can't sleep!! |
| 14:02.38 | ma3x | i.e. you start a few applications in windows and its so slow |
| 14:02.48 | M_Cheevy | and checking email and updates means your laptop absolutely HAS to be on all night long???? |
| 14:02.49 | ma3x | linux uses resources in a smarter way |
| 14:03.06 | M_Cheevy | ma3x: too bad you don't |
| 14:03.48 | ma3x | M_Cheevy well I use skype too |
| 14:03.48 | M_Cheevy | it's 3am folks, I have no more patience for this..... exeunt ad dexter.... As Rip Van Winkle said, "Life is full of rude awakenings" and mine is an alarm clock in 6hrs..... |
| 14:03.57 | Gnea | smarter people learn consistantly. |
| 14:04.00 | ma3x | and if you start that under windows, it takes like %70 of your cpu |
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| 14:04.21 | Gnea | M_Cheevy: nite |
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| 14:04.24 | ma3x | what do you call smart? |
| 14:04.26 | M_Cheevy | Gnea: and what about people who don't want to learn ;) |
| 14:04.37 | vaszilij | hello |
| 14:04.39 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 14:04.40 | ma3x | we all have little holes in the knowledge here and there |
| 14:04.58 | dnielben | Hi! |
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| 14:05.08 | Gnea | yes yes, and we can either sit here and philosophise over it or remain objective |
| 14:05.11 | streuner | ma3x: smart is someone who read 'unix lessons' and follow what *they* recommend... |
| 14:05.37 | ma3x | streuner you can't always follow other people's ideas. You have to try something on your own |
| 14:05.41 | vaszilij | magyarul |
| 14:05.47 | ma3x | now look this |
| 14:05.48 | vaszilij | tud vki? |
| 14:05.49 | ma3x | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/04/15/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.11-ia64/ |
| 14:05.53 | ma3x | it's not working |
| 14:05.58 | dnielben | any one have aproblem with kernel 2.6.14-5 last version in sid... Mine is not booting! |
| 14:06.07 | streuner | ma3x: those lessons based on the knowledge of many experienced users |
| 14:06.09 | Gnea | ma3x: what cpu do you have? |
| 14:06.26 | ma3x | Gnea 2.3 GHz |
| 14:06.35 | Gnea | ma3x: that's just the speed - WHAT CPU? |
| 14:06.40 | jm_ | that's like asking my cousing what car did she arive with? the white one |
| 14:06.45 | jm_ | cousin |
| 14:06.47 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 14:06.48 | ma3x | intel IV mobile |
| 14:06.51 | Gnea | fo shizzle |
| 14:06.52 | bibe | dnielben : it seems that -5 is fucked up (at least reading #debian-devel's /topic) |
| 14:07.06 | Gnea | ok ok so it's a Pentium M? |
| 14:07.07 | ma3x | heh |
| 14:07.10 | jm_ | dnielben: bah, and you think you should use sid? |
| 14:07.19 | ma3x | if I had replied intel, then he would have asked: how fast? |
| 14:07.36 | Gnea | i didn't ask that though, now did i? |
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| 14:07.59 | Gnea | ma3x: so, specifically, that's a p4 then? |
| 14:08.02 | jm_ | dnielben: 343048 |
| 14:08.04 | ma3x | you would have asked it, if I answered with intel |
| 14:08.13 | Gnea | i fucking asked what you cpu you had |
| 14:08.25 | ma3x | is there some other snapshot site? |
| 14:08.34 | dnielben | there is any way to restore my previous version of 2.6.14... the 2.6.12 does not detect my wifi card! |
| 14:08.35 | Gnea | first of all |
| 14:08.37 | streuner | ma3x: no |
| 14:08.40 | bibe | dnielben : I run sarge but I am compiling my custom kernel from sid's linux-source-2.6.14, I don't have any problem |
| 14:08.40 | Gnea | you system is NOT an ia64 |
| 14:09.19 | dnielben | jM sid is quite good! |
| 14:09.27 | ma3x | uhm you're right |
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| 14:09.30 | ma3x | how do I get linux-headers-2.6.12-1 ? |
| 14:09.33 | Gnea | ma3x: it's possible your cpu has some sort of 64-bit instruction set on it. if that's the case, it's more like an EM64T than an IA64 |
| 14:09.46 | Gnea | that's why it doesn't work |
| 14:09.50 | ma3x | I write that in snapshot.debian.net and it throws out the kernel images |
| 14:09.57 | Gnea | ia64 only works on a ... ia64! |
| 14:10.05 | Gnea | wow, who would have thought THAT one up |
| 14:10.20 | ma3x | what? |
| 14:10.27 | dnielben | ma3x: form the debian-instaler cd you can get the headers! |
| 14:10.34 | jm_ | dnielben: like I said a few minutes ago, sid++ |
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| 14:10.51 | Gnea | ma3x: now, are you SURE your cpu has 64bit extensions? |
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| 14:10.57 | ma3x | dnielben I installed from the mini install |
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| 14:11.23 | secher | Hang on.. I"m having the same problem, I'm running a P4, using 686 kernel build. |
| 14:11.24 | ma3x | Gnea no, but I dont find the linux-headers-2.6.12-1 anyway |
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| 14:11.39 | ma3x | yeah me too |
| 14:11.54 | Gnea | ma3x: oh good, it's about time. |
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| 14:12.04 | secher | ma3x: Ok, I downgraded kernel and headers from -5 to -4, to no avail. was there a step I missed? |
| 14:12.05 | ma3x | heh it's in testing |
| 14:12.17 | jm_ | secher: read through all of the bug report |
| 14:12.18 | ma3x | Gnea what's about time? |
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| 14:13.00 | secher | jm_: Ok, thanks. I thought there was no bug report yet. |
| 14:13.00 | Gnea | ma3x: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 <-- how many results? |
| 14:13.00 | ma3x | secher what linux-image you installing now? |
| 14:13.17 | jm_ | secher: ehh? 343048, for the last time |
| 14:13.26 | secher | ma3x: 2.6.14....-4. what I was running before. |
| 14:13.28 | ma3x | Gnea I can't do that, because I can't boot with my WLAN modules. |
| 14:13.31 | dnielben | how can i downgrade my 2.6.14-5 to 2.6.14-4? |
| 14:13.38 | jm_ | dnielben: that won't help you |
| 14:13.42 | ma3x | Gnea and it is in testing |
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| 14:13.55 | ma3x | dnielben you too have this problem? |
| 14:13.59 | secher | jm_: sorry, I wasn't here.. I was gettign a knoppix disk from my neighbohr. Sheesh. |
| 14:14.02 | jm_ | we need more bugs like this :) |
| 14:14.11 | Gnea | ma3x: so you're in windows, downloading packages, and then copying them over to debian when it's booted up? |
| 14:14.25 | jm_ | secher: your IRC client doesn't have scrollback functionality? |
| 14:14.28 | ma3x | Gnea yes |
| 14:14.38 | Gnea | ma3x: forget testing, you're using unstable |
| 14:14.56 | ma3x | Gnea it's just for the moment |
| 14:15.03 | Gnea | the moment is gone, next. |
| 14:15.32 | ma3x | just finished downloading the headers |
| 14:15.48 | secher | jm_: so you think I'm going to read 10 minutes of #debian to see if I missed something I thought i'd read didn't exist anyway? That's a little strange, ain't it? |
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| 14:16.24 | azeem | anyway |
| 14:16.27 | ma3x | secher did you downgrade the kernel? |
| 14:16.37 | jm_ | secher: no, I know that if I had the same problem as someone else and there were people discussing it at the same time, and if I was too useless to fix it myself, I sure as fuck would scroll back and read more of it |
| 14:16.49 | secher | ma3x: yup. I"m off to read the bugreport. |
| 14:16.52 | azeem | it looks like the bug report has instruction on how to fix this problem |
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| 14:17.16 | jm_ | azeem: might be worth adding it to topic, not that it would help many ... |
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| 14:17.33 | secher | jm_: useless? Are you going for the mwilson award? |
| 14:17.39 | azeem | jm_: why, this channel is for stable/testing support :) |
| 14:17.42 | ma3x | jm_ oh yes, I think it would help many |
| 14:17.45 | jm_ | azeem: haha |
| 14:18.00 | jm_ | ma3x: you'd be surprised to see how few people read the topic when they join |
| 14:18.09 | azeem | unstable users should check the /topic of #debian-devel for the current breakage |
| 14:18.41 | jm_ | or how few are capable of handling such bugs on their own, yet they use sid |
| 14:18.52 | secher | jm_: next time you want to insult, go join #L337. |
| 14:19.01 | azeem | secher: please stay cool |
| 14:19.03 | jm_ | secher: next time you want to use sid, grab soem clues |
| 14:19.05 | valdyn | neat, so make isnt just fucked for me |
| 14:19.12 | secher | jm_: that's why I use sid, so I can *learn* how to fix bugs like that. |
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| 14:19.14 | ma3x | azeem did they set the topic now? |
| 14:19.27 | jm_ | secher: fair enough |
| 14:19.37 | jm_ | ma3x: no, it was set quite a while ago |
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| 14:19.59 | azeem | 04:46 -!- Irssi: T-D: Added: FUCKED: linux-image-2.6.14-2 (#343048), make (342892) |
| 14:20.11 | azeem | that was about 10:30 hours ago |
| 14:20.41 | ma3x | well there are many channels like this |
| 14:20.56 | ma3x | #debian-kde devel .... how should one know all? |
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| 14:21.04 | secher | jm_: I've been using sid for ... almost 6 years now? I've never experienced a bug like this, and so I need some help figuring out how to handle it. I don't need to be insulted. I spend way too much time helping others fix problems on GNU/Linux to be called useless. anyway, I have to get to work. Peace. |
| 14:21.22 | ma3x | secher take care bro! |
| 14:21.25 | jm_ | secher: you mean you were not hit by ifconfig breakage? |
| 14:21.26 | valdyn | ma3x: you dont need debian-devel, since you are not supposed to use sid ) |
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| 14:21.47 | secher | ma3x: YOu too. |
| 14:21.51 | azeem | secher: the thing is that three people came here with the same problem in a very short timespan, so we were getting a bit tired to explain it a third time, sorry |
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| 14:21.57 | secher | jm_: no. |
| 14:22.00 | valdyn | secher: you should have used lg-all |
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| 14:22.18 | jm_ | secher: what a shame :P |
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| 14:22.31 | azeem | secher: I don't really see a big insult from jm_ anyway, if you feel unproperly treated please cite it |
| 14:22.38 | nuskool | this is a little off topic but does anyone know any good internet auditing clients/servers? |
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| 14:22.47 | nuskool | for windows |
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| 14:22.50 | Vindevogel | Hi guys, I have a headless server, but I want to run X on it for OpenOffice. I can't start it because I think I have an error in the xorg.conf. I asks for a mouse, but I think there's none attached. |
| 14:23.01 | valdyn | nuskool: this is very offtopic |
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| 14:23.11 | jm_ | Vindevogel: you can tell it to start even if the mouse is not attached |
| 14:23.12 | azeem | ma3x: the point is that you should be using testing at most. If you use unstable, that implies you know about all this stuff we're telling you right now |
| 14:23.13 | secher | azeem: no problem, already forgotten. jm_ has helped me with things in the past, and I for sure have a thick skin from being on here. :> I really have to go. PEace all. |
| 14:23.13 | nuskool | valdyn: you're right |
| 14:23.21 | azeem | secher: cool, ok |
| 14:23.24 | jm_ | at least with XFree86, I suppose X.org has that option too |
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| 14:23.33 | Vindevogel | jm: how ? |
| 14:23.42 | jm_ | Vindevogel: set the appropriate option to true |
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| 14:24.06 | Vindevogel | jm: what option is that ? |
| 14:24.20 | jm_ | Vindevogel: man page will tell you, like I said, I don't use X.org so I can't read it |
| 14:24.27 | jm_ | search for mouse and you'll find it |
| 14:24.40 | ma3x | azeem what exactly did you tell me? I remember someone told me to put ROOT="" in mkinitrd.conf. Dunno if that was you |
| 14:24.55 | azeem | ma3x: "we" being this channel |
| 14:24.57 | azeem | anyway |
| 14:24.59 | Vindevogel | ok: what do i do with monitor ? |
| 14:25.07 | madclicker | i am running etch and i have a usb keyboard and mouse. Both devices were working perfect untill i installed udev, now bot are dead. Can someone help a brother? |
| 14:25.20 | azeem | Vindevogel: do you want to run OOo on it and display it on another box via X-forwarding? |
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| 14:25.31 | jm_ | Vindevogel: wait, why do you want to run X if there's no monitor attached? |
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| 14:25.59 | Vindevogel | azeem: that would be the max, but no, for the moment i just want to start soffice, but i can't because there's no display running |
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| 14:26.05 | jm_ | you can run *dm that's handling only remote connections, not local display |
| 14:26.13 | Vindevogel | jm: for OpenOffice |
| 14:26.19 | azeem | Vindevogel: but what's the use if there is neither mouse nor monitor? |
| 14:26.21 | Vindevogel | jm: and maybe VNC |
| 14:26.24 | jm_ | Vindevogel: use ssh's X11 forwarding |
| 14:26.30 | valdyn | Vindevogel: you dont need X to be running on a headless server to use ooo |
| 14:26.45 | valdyn | Vindevogel: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:26.52 | Vindevogel | valdyn: what do i type then ? I tried -headles -invisible |
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| 14:27.03 | valdyn | Vindevogel: you DONT start X |
| 14:27.14 | azeem | Vindevogel: your use case is not totally clear |
| 14:27.14 | jm_ | don't start X server, you don't need it there |
| 14:27.18 | __filip_ | somebody know how i do to have an logo when debian boots? |
| 14:27.21 | Vindevogel | no, on the command line of soffice |
| 14:27.23 | azeem | Vindevogel: maybe you should start by describing what you really want |
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| 14:27.42 | azeem | Vindevogel: how do you want to use OOo at the end? |
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| 14:27.54 | valdyn | Vindevogel: on which box should oo.org run, on which box should it display. That's what we need to know |
| 14:28.00 | Vindevogel | ok. This is the use case: server at an ISP. I would like to run some OOo macros from the command line. |
| 14:28.23 | azeem | ok. |
| 14:28.27 | jm_ | yeah go for sshx and hope it's not as slow over remote connections as some Java apps |
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| 14:28.36 | azeem | Vindevogel: so your best bet is to check whether OOo can run without X |
| 14:28.40 | Vindevogel | when i run /usr/lib/openoffice/soffice .... it says it can't connect to a display |
| 14:28.47 | azeem | Vindevogel: check its options |
| 14:28.48 | sep | 174 bogomips... on the ltsp400 thinclient running kde now tho |
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| 14:29.28 | madclicker | how do i create /dev/input/mice ? |
| 14:29.33 | Vindevogel | other problem is that i probably will need to start soffice to get into the macros to install them on that server. Now I have them locally on my machine |
| 14:29.34 | azeem | Vindevogel: if there is none, use SSH's X11 forwarding as others suggested |
| 14:29.36 | valdyn | Vindevogel: i think you want xvfb |
| 14:29.42 | jm_ | MadClown: MAKEDEV |
| 14:29.46 | azeem | Vindevogel: install macros? |
| 14:29.49 | jm_ | madclicker ^^^^^^ |
| 14:29.53 | valdyn | Vindevogel: apt-cache show xvfb |
| 14:30.08 | sep | madclicker, modules mousedev and psmouse (if you usepsmouse) installed ? |
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| 14:30.19 | madclicker | MadClown, is there a hardware detection tool? i lost my usb mouse |
| 14:30.22 | Vindevogel | azeem: it should work, but the things i read about -headless, -invisible, ... don't work |
| 14:30.37 | azeem | ok, so those are OOo options? |
| 14:30.45 | Vindevogel | azeem: what does ssh X11 forwarding do ? there's no X running |
| 14:30.54 | azeem | Vindevogel: read up on it |
| 14:30.57 | jm_ | madclicker: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 14:31.02 | azeem | I bet there's even a wikipedia article on it |
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| 14:32.11 | valdyn | its not what he needs (sshx ) |
| 14:32.18 | madclicker | sep , my usb mouse/keyboard stoped functioning |
| 14:32.19 | jm_ | it is |
| 14:32.23 | valdyn | no |
| 14:33.06 | valdyn | jm_: he doesnt want to use X , he wants to use oo.org's batch processing feature, and OO seems to insist having an X server for that, though there's no need for one. |
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| 14:33.33 | madclicker | jm_ my X is set, but for some odd reason my usb input devices are not loaded by the kernel |
| 14:33.40 | azeem | he said he might need to start OOo anyway to "install macros" |
| 14:33.47 | jm_ | valdyn: which means he'll need X server to run them |
| 14:33.56 | jm_ | madclicker: add them to modules |
| 14:33.57 | madclicker | how does one loads usb device managed, which module? |
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| 14:34.28 | pitta | oi |
| 14:34.34 | valdyn | jm_: yea, but sshx isnt a good solution for server-only batch processing ). Though sshx is good for what azeem just said, obviously |
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| 14:34.53 | jm_ | valdyn: sure |
| 14:34.54 | Vindevogel | i just logged in with ssh -X -l root ..... when i type xclock & I get the same error: Can't open display |
| 14:34.59 | pitta | oi |
| 14:35.03 | jm_ | read /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:35.11 | pitta | hi |
| 14:35.14 | jm_ | and pay attention to the fact that it's disabled by default |
| 14:35.17 | jm_ | and about xauth |
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| 14:35.27 | dawynn | If the system fails to mount all my local filesystems on boot, where would it log what filesystems could not be booted? |
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| 14:36.08 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 14:36.08 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 14:36.35 | valdyn | dawynn: though im not quite sure why one would need to consult a logfile to see what's mounted and what is not |
| 14:36.54 | Vindevogel | valdyn is correct about what i want to do |
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| 14:37.39 | valdyn | Vindevogel: sshx is good, read the factoid, for batch processing ask oo.org people how to disable the requirement of an X server or apt-cache show xvfb |
| 14:38.31 | Vindevogel | there's almost nobody in #openoffice |
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| 14:38.54 | Whisky_ | I dont have GTK installed. What do I do ? |
| 14:39.00 | valdyn | !installit |
| 14:39.01 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 14:39.28 | valdyn | Vindevogel: if its possible, google will know |
| 14:39.28 | Whisky_ | wow :P |
| 14:39.37 | bizkit | where is the equal '=' located on the english keyboard? (english keymap on german keyboard) |
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| 14:39.45 | Whisky_ | valdyn, i mean, what package should I install? "gtk" does not exist. |
| 14:39.46 | blondie | left of backspace |
| 14:39.51 | valdyn | bizkit: to the left of backspace |
| 14:39.54 | Whisky_ | dimir, Glad I could help you =) |
| 14:39.55 | Vindevogel | valdyn: that's the problem: google speaks about two options, but neither work |
| 14:40.13 | dimir | Whisky_: gtk+ for gtk 1 or gtk2 for gtk 2. |
| 14:40.16 | valdyn | Vindevogel: then use xvfb... |
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| 14:40.45 | Whisky_ | GTK+ |
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| 14:41.26 | valdyn | Whisky_: libgtk1.2 |
| 14:42.10 | Whisky_ | k |
| 14:42.11 | bizkit | valdyn, blondie: thanks, but there is '`' and with shift '"' for me, i'm on a rescue console at the boot prompt so no linux keymap loaded |
| 14:42.22 | bouh | hi |
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| 14:42.43 | thundr | hi |
| 14:42.50 | blondie | bizkit: well you're not using an english layout then |
| 14:42.55 | valdyn | bizkit: " should be shift-ä |
| 14:43.09 | dimir | bizkit: load the correct keymap |
| 14:43.11 | valdyn | bizkit: or if you cant read that... ae |
| 14:43.12 | jm_ | bizkit: it can also be second to the left with small backspace key |
| 14:43.15 | blondie | " is shift 2, or shift ' if you're american |
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| 14:43.49 | bizkit | ok, so it's no american |
| 14:44.02 | dimir | bizkit: loadkeys us |
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| 14:44.09 | bizkit | dimir: i can't, i'm on a rescue console called 'peppercon' |
| 14:44.14 | bizkit | i'm not in linux |
| 14:44.33 | blondie | why don't you press all the keys till you find = |
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| 14:44.50 | bouh | !beer bizkit |
| 14:44.57 | torc | how to unbind /dev/raw/raw1 ? |
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| 14:45.26 | dimir | bizkit: is it a bash or what? |
| 14:45.27 | bonz | guiness? Aint that the beer thats weak as piss? |
| 14:45.34 | Vindevogel | If I type this xvfb-run /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice I get the same error after a while: cannot connect to X server |
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| 14:45.53 | Gnea | bonz: you've never had it? |
| 14:45.53 | bizkit | blondie: i did :-), unable to find it even using the altgr+x combinations |
| 14:46.00 | bouh | !beer bonz |
| 14:46.07 | blondie | bizkit: copy and paste: = |
| 14:46.09 | blondie | @{ |
| 14:46.11 | blondie | :P |
| 14:46.11 | bouh | now you got it |
| 14:46.16 | valdyn | Vindevogel: is xbase-clients installed? |
| 14:46.19 | bonz | Gnea: many years ago I did |
| 14:46.34 | bizkit | dimir: no, it's a local attached hardware system with a connection to the outside to simulate physical access for a remote machine |
| 14:46.40 | bonz | not any where near the strength of aussie beer |
| 14:46.44 | Vindevogel | valdyn: yes |
| 14:47.07 | bizkit | blondie: i can't paste *g* |
| 14:47.14 | Gnea | bonz: it's possible |
| 14:47.27 | Gnea | bonz: fosters? |
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| 14:47.43 | bonz | Gnea: nah real beer, not piss :P |
| 14:48.06 | Gnea | bonz: funny, here in states, fosters comes off as the #1 aussie beer ;) |
| 14:48.10 | bouh | !foster bonz |
| 14:48.21 | bouh | this one doesn't work |
| 14:48.26 | valdyn | Vindevogel: try if that works as root |
| 14:48.27 | dimir | fosters! |
| 14:48.32 | bonz | Gnea: mind you I haven't drunk any alcohol for about a decade now |
| 14:48.39 | Vindevogel | valdyn: i am root |
| 14:48.40 | Gnea | bonz: nice |
| 14:48.47 | bouh | WHHHHHHAAAAAT? |
| 14:48.49 | dimir | for i in $(seq 1 256); do echo -e "$i is \\$i"; done |
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| 14:48.55 | blowfish | hello |
| 14:49.19 | Gnea | i hear that |
| 14:49.32 | Gnea | i get a chance maybe once a month, if i'm lukcy |
| 14:49.32 | bouh | how did you manage do such a magic ? |
| 14:49.34 | Gnea | lucky |
| 14:50.06 | bonz | Gnea: your not lexdysic by any chance are you? |
| 14:50.25 | valdyn | Vindevogel: try this with different programs, like xterm |
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| 14:50.45 | Whisky_ | I just installed perl-base-5.8.7-5 but most programs still whine about perl being 5.8.4-8 when i try to install them |
| 14:50.50 | valdyn | Vindevogel: you probably shouldnt run /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice directly, but i wouldnt know |
| 14:50.59 | Gnea | bonz: not naturally |
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| 14:51.56 | Whisky_ | bbl |
| 14:52.10 | dimir | wait!!!!11 |
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| 14:52.28 | dimir | my glass is empty! |
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| 14:53.03 | blondie | ha |
| 14:53.18 | ma3x | why the hell while I copy something to my hard disk, the mouse slices like crazy |
| 14:53.35 | blondie | dimir: you might want whiskey instead :P |
| 14:53.59 | dimir | whiskey was the bourbon stuff? |
| 14:54.12 | blondie | hmm |
| 14:54.17 | dimir | and canadian or smth. |
| 14:54.18 | Vindevogel | when i remove packages with aptitude, how can i say to remove also the broken packages ? |
| 14:54.20 | blondie | OK whiskey and whisky are the same |
| 14:54.26 | madclicker | whats the diff between "udev" and "hotplug"? |
| 14:54.31 | dimir | blondie: no |
| 14:54.35 | blondie | yes |
| 14:54.38 | Guerin | blondie: only americans think that |
| 14:54.48 | blondie | the OED says so |
| 14:54.49 | Guerin | and ammericans don't know a fucking thing about whisky |
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| 14:55.04 | Guerin | blondie: means nothing |
| 14:55.16 | Guerin | !whisky |
| 14:55.16 | dpkg | whisky is, like, a really nice alcoholic beverage, originately from Scotland. More information can be found at http://www.students.cs.uu.nl/~dageest/whisky.html |
| 14:55.23 | blondie | !whiskey |
| 14:55.23 | dpkg | Whiskey is from ireland! Whisky is crap! |
| 14:55.25 | azeem | madclicker: udev manages device files for devices, hotplug loads modules for devices, roughly |
| 14:55.54 | Ronin | oh i disagree there dpkg theres some excellent irish whiskey |
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| 14:56.09 | Guerin | dpkg, no, whisky is from scotland. Whiskey is from everywhere else. Scotch doesn't exist; it's just what eejit americans call Whisky. |
| 14:56.10 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 14:56.27 | Whisky_ | lol back |
| 14:56.29 | Whisky_ | dimir :P |
| 14:56.30 | Guerin | Ronin: he was saying whiskY (the stuff from scotland) is crap, which is also false |
| 14:56.37 | dimir | Whisky_: :-) |
| 14:56.42 | madclicker | azeem, those two cant coexist on one one system |
| 14:56.57 | Ronin | that reminds me i still owe the wife a bottle of oban or better |
| 14:57.04 | azeem | madclicker: right, because the hotplug functionality has been reintegrated into udev |
| 14:57.08 | Whisky_ | ROFL scottish call it "whisky" and americans "whiskey" |
| 14:57.09 | Guerin | Ronin: not much better. |
| 14:57.18 | Guerin | Whisky_: nope. |
| 14:57.25 | Ronin | the one she had had an "accident" |
| 14:57.29 | blowfish | where can i find more infos related to installing a debian on a SUN E250 machine |
| 14:57.30 | madclicker | azeem, so etches default "hotplug" |
| 14:57.33 | Whisky_ | Guerin, Yup :/ |
| 14:57.42 | Guerin | Ronin: it kept leaking out the hole in the top, didn't it |
| 14:58.02 | dimir | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky |
| 14:58.11 | azeem | madclicker: it defaults? |
| 14:58.15 | Ronin | Guerin: yep, all i could do to keep up with it |
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| 14:58.41 | azeem | blowfish: did you try already? |
| 14:58.45 | Guerin | g'night kiddiwinks |
| 14:59.00 | Vindevogel | when i remove packages with aptitude, how can i say to remove also the broken packages ? ??????????? |
| 14:59.02 | Whisky_ | The spelling whisky (plural whiskies) is generally used for those distilled in Scotland, Canada, and Japan, while whiskey (with an e; plural whiskeys) is used for the spirits distilled in Ireland and the United States; however, there are exceptions. Kentucky, for example, usually spells its produce "whisky". |
| 14:59.05 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 14:59.14 | madclicker | azeem, if i install udev it will uninstall hotplug, and none of my input devices on usb ports are working |
| 14:59.14 | dimir | yep. |
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| 14:59.24 | Guerin | Whisky_: wikipedia isn't the authority on this matter... or any matter. |
| 14:59.43 | azeem | madclicker: you are running testing, you said? Which kernel? |
| 14:59.45 | Whisky_ | Guerin, But its the case. I don't know where else i read it, about.com or some place, dunno. |
| 14:59.46 | dimir | Guerin: they said "is generally used for"! |
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| 15:00.02 | Guerin | there are LAWS about this sort of thing, and traditions which long predate american distillation |
| 15:00.14 | Vindevogel | how can i find broken packages ?? probably not in the whisky jar !!! |
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| 15:00.22 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 15:00.27 | dimir | Guerin: they say at the top, that the correct word is whisky. |
| 15:00.28 | blondie | laws? how pathetic |
| 15:01.01 | dimir | Vindevogel: apt-get -f install |
| 15:01.12 | Guerin | blondie: there are more laws in france regarding the production, manufacture, labelling and sale of Apellation Controllee food and drink than there are on any other single topic |
| 15:01.12 | Whisky_ | I just installed perl-base-5.8.7-5 but most programs still whine about perl being 5.8.4-8 when i try to install them :\ |
| 15:01.35 | Guerin | blondie: stupid americans have their stupid personal liability laws; the rest of the world has more important things to legislate for |
| 15:01.35 | madclicker | azeem, etch 2.6 |
| 15:01.45 | blondie | well the french are.... |
| 15:01.55 | blowfish | azeem try what |
| 15:02.08 | azeem | blowfish: huh? |
| 15:02.08 | dimir | yeah, just take a look at their Mandriva.. :-) |
| 15:02.09 | Vindevogel | dimir: and how do i remove a pkg with all the packages it is a dependency for ? (i want to start with a clean system without x11, ...) |
| 15:02.14 | blowfish | <azeem> blowfish: did you try already? |
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| 15:02.24 | dimir | Vindevogel: dpkg -P it! |
| 15:02.42 | azeem | blowfish: oh, well installing Debian on your box |
| 15:02.52 | blowfish | azeem i cant make the damn SUN Boot from CDROM |
| 15:02.54 | azeem | madclicker: well, which version exactly? What does uname -a say |
| 15:02.54 | blowfish | and i dont know how |
| 15:03.09 | azeem | blowfish: hrm, that looks like a generic issue? |
| 15:03.24 | azeem | blowfish: maybe you'd get better help in a sparc forum/chan, dunno |
| 15:03.28 | Vindevogel | dimir: that's not it ... not removing because of depencies ... ! |
| 15:03.37 | blowfish | azeem can i give me more info related to that? |
| 15:03.39 | dimir | Vindevogel: or for a list of pkgs depending on it 'apt-cache rdepends pkg' |
| 15:03.41 | blowfish | sparc-debian? |
| 15:03.42 | blowfish | or something |
| 15:04.00 | azeem | blowfish: are you sure it is Debian specific? |
| 15:04.01 | bbrazil | blowfish: from the loader 'boot -s cdrom' iirc |
| 15:04.47 | blowfish | bbrazil i gona try thanks |
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| 15:05.57 | blowfish | there is a way to choise the boot devices? |
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| 15:06.02 | blowfish | because boot -s cdrom cont work |
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| 15:06.07 | netcrusher88 | does anyone know how to run nomachine server/freenx under debian? |
| 15:06.18 | bbrazil | blowfish: there is, I'd suggest looking up solaris docs |
| 15:06.20 | fireba11 | hm ... got exim4 with qpopper set up in sarge .. there hase to be something that puts the mails in the mailboxes, right ? what would that be by default ? |
| 15:06.30 | stew | Whisky_: most kentucky whiskey producers spell it "whiskey" not "whisky" |
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| 15:06.41 | deeps | hi, im trying to use pppd to connect my adsl, however, the connection is less than stable it seems, is it possible to get pppd to realise this and automatically reconnect? |
| 15:06.55 | azeem | fireba11: where do they end up now? /var/mail/<user>? |
| 15:07.12 | fireba11 | azeem: correct |
| 15:07.29 | azeem | fireba11: users can use e.g. procmail to filter their mail |
| 15:08.01 | Zugschlus | fireba11: exim4. And please consider a different pop3 server |
| 15:08.07 | fireba11 | azeem: is there something REQUIRED or does exim put the mails there ? |
| 15:08.19 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: am prepering transition to dovecot right now |
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| 15:08.26 | Zugschlus | fireba11: no, exim can deliver itself |
| 15:08.34 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: okay, thank you |
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| 15:10.19 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: thought about first changing uw-imap to dovecot-imap, after that works replacing qpopper with dovecot-pop3 and then convertion mails to maildir .. does that sound like a good schedule to you ? or should i just change everythign at once ? |
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| 15:12.14 | Zugschlus | fireba11: I'd go for a big bang transition |
| 15:12.43 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: okay .. will build a test system so i can try bevore chanign the productive one :-)= |
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| 15:13.02 | Zugschlus | fireba11: excellent idea |
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| 15:17.13 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: last time i did set up the mailserver i was in kinda hurry since the old HD died on me .. had a backup of data and config but not of the complete server .. ^^ |
| 15:17.19 | elephantMan | Does only logrotate process is responsible for archiving system log files ? |
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| 15:17.40 | elephantMan | I need to know where i should work on the archiving of apache log files ? |
| 15:17.42 | elephantMan | ll |
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| 15:17.53 | stew | elephantMan: /etc/logrotate.d/apache |
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| 15:19.05 | Zugschlus | elephantMan: no, sysklogd still uses savelog |
| 15:19.16 | Zugschlus | and some other packages might be doing this as well |
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| 15:22.25 | stouset | Avast. |
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| 15:23.50 | hawking | removing kdelibs and kdelibs2 removes all KDE right? |
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| 15:25.47 | Vindevogel | Ok, on the xvfb, i can now run "xvfb-run xterm" .... i think it's running, but don't know how to check it. It does not come back to the command line, so it must be running. right ? |
| 15:25.48 | stouset | hawking: I would assume so. |
| 15:25.54 | stouset | hawking: Or the QT libs. |
| 15:26.05 | valdyn | Vindevogel: ps aux | grep xterm |
| 15:26.09 | stew | hawking: also kdelibs4 |
| 15:26.23 | gerald | Ping-- is there any etiquette here , or just blast away? |
| 15:26.38 | valdyn | gerald: blast |
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| 15:26.40 | stew | gerald: if the question isn't answered in the faq, ask away |
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| 15:26.49 | valdyn | gerald: doesnt mean there's no etiquette though |
| 15:26.57 | Vindevogel | valdyn: ok, it's running |
| 15:26.59 | cahoot | is there? |
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| 15:27.08 | watchcat | dont use the B*** word please |
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| 15:27.23 | Vindevogel | now, when i did the same with soffice ... it again said "cannot connect to display" |
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| 15:27.37 | gerald | I need to install HIGHMEM and SMP support from the start are there any install options that will enable this. I have been trying to recompile this into the kernel with 100% failure every time. |
| 15:27.48 | stouset | gerald: Standard etiquette. Don't be an asshat, and don't ask a question, have us answer it, then continue asking the question for a half hour while ignoring at least a dozen people all giving you the same answer. |
| 15:27.54 | stouset | gerald: It's more common than you might think :\ |
| 15:28.10 | valdyn | Vindevogel: try the oo scripts that are in /usr/bin/ |
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| 15:28.28 | Whisky_ | I just installed perl-base-5.8.7-5 but most programs still whine about perl being 5.8.4-8 when i try to install them. What should be done ? |
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| 15:28.38 | gerald | ok stouset , will try to compile |
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| 15:28.46 | gerald | err compile = comply |
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| 15:28.51 | watchcat | cheers Whisky_ |
| 15:28.52 | stouset | gerald: :) |
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| 15:29.06 | Whisky_ | watchcat, :| |
| 15:29.08 | hawking | I try to install alsa-drivers but it gives this error : "The file /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source/include/linux/version.h does not exist.Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
| 15:29.08 | hawking | or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel |
| 15:29.08 | hawking | sources (default is /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source)." what should i do? |
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| 15:29.31 | valdyn | gerald: official kernels dont support HIGHMEM, but google might know inofficial kernels for debian |
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| 15:29.39 | stouset | gerald: grep HIG /boot/config* shows me that HIGHMEM4G and HIGHMEM are both compiled into the kernel. And there's an -smp kernel for every architecture. |
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| 15:29.49 | Vindevogel | ns30966:/usr/bin# xvfb-run /usr/bin/openoffice |
| 15:29.49 | Vindevogel | OpenOffice.org for Debian - see /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz |
| 15:29.49 | Vindevogel | running openoffice.org setup... |
| 15:29.49 | Vindevogel | Setup complete. Running openoffice.org... |
| 15:29.49 | Vindevogel | Xlib: connection to ":99.0" refused by server |
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| 15:29.52 | cahoot | hawking: what alsa drivers? |
| 15:29.59 | watchcat | whats the use for HIGHMEM ? |
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| 15:30.08 | stouset | valdyn: They don't? I see CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y and CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y in /boot/config-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 15:30.10 | Vindevogel | /usr/bin/xvfb-run: line 158: kill: (11851) - No such process |
| 15:30.20 | devilz_ | hey |
| 15:30.28 | devilz_ | does anyone know how to fix xf8config |
| 15:30.30 | cahoot | hawking: should be there already since alsa's made it into kernel |
| 15:30.33 | devilz_ | i want 85hz |
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| 15:30.38 | stouset | Vindevogel: If you get kicked for flooding, it probably isn't a good idea to continue your paste when rejoining the channel. |
| 15:30.39 | devilz_ | and i always get 60hz |
| 15:30.45 | loxley_ | Whisky_: install the program, if there are needed dependencies, apt-get will fix them..that is if you are using .debs |
| 15:30.55 | stouset | devilz_: Fire up a text editor and edit it. |
| 15:30.57 | Vindevogel | stouset: i think most of it got through ;-) |
| 15:31.01 | watchcat | whats the use for HIGHMEM ? anyone |
| 15:31.07 | stouset | Vindevogel: That's not the point. |
| 15:31.07 | stew | valdyn: stouset, 2.6.8-2-xxx doesn't support highmem, but i believe 2.6.8-2-xxx-SMP does |
| 15:31.09 | valdyn | Vindevogel: that's very good already, you only cant use xvfb-run to start ooffice |
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| 15:31.15 | devilz_ | stouset: and what do i add? |
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| 15:31.25 | Vindevogel | valdyn: why not ? |
| 15:31.29 | valdyn | stew: would be news to me, but i dont know.. |
| 15:31.35 | hawking | cahoot : well I can't get any sound and in my previous distro I got the alsa sound drivers from alsa site and compiled them it worked |
| 15:32.16 | stew | watchcat: if you have more than 1 gig or ram you use the 4g highmem setting if you have more than 4g you use the 64gig setting |
| 15:32.16 | hawking | and the sound doesn't work here either |
| 15:32.16 | Whisky_ | loxley_, Yes, .debs. But i'm kinda having a mix of stable-unstable system. |
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| 15:32.16 | valdyn | Vindevogel: i dont know, you dont really need to know either |
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| 15:32.16 | stouset | devilz_: There's a section called "Monitor" with HorizSync and VertRefresh. Set them to the values recommended by the manufacturer. That can be found in the monitor's docs. |
| 15:32.17 | caphuso | Whisky_: can you guess why mixing stable and non-stable is a very bad idea? |
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| 15:32.27 | watchcat | thnak you stew |
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| 15:32.29 | watchcat | i guess |
| 15:32.39 | Vindevogel | valdyn: guess i do, how can i run my macros otherwise ? |
| 15:32.44 | Whisky_ | caphuso, Ermm, because unstable is always unstable? |
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| 15:32.50 | stouset | devilz_: In my experience, though, X does a pretty good job of autoconfiguring those values, so if you're only getting 60Hz at the specified resolution, the monitor might not support higher. |
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| 15:33.01 | cahoot | hawking: so you're exchanging the alsa modules that came with the kernel using src from alsa org? |
| 15:33.04 | gerald | valdyn thanks -- by inofficial kernels only support highmem. what do you mean exactly? Standard install versus custom? This is going to scare me away from debian |
| 15:33.08 | stouset | gerald: Answer your question? |
| 15:33.13 | hawking | cahoot : yes |
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| 15:33.30 | valdyn | gerald: standard vs some made by some 3rd person |
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| 15:33.40 | stouset | gerald: The standard install appears to support highmem, and there's an -smp kernel for every architecture. You shouldn't need to compile anything at all. |
| 15:33.43 | gerald | stouset yes I am getting answers :) |
| 15:33.48 | devilz_ | stouset: in windows it stupport it |
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| 15:33.56 | valdyn | gerald: but looking at what stew said SMP kernels might already support highmem, you just have to install an smp kernel then if that is true |
| 15:33.56 | devilz_ | and with other linux same |
| 15:33.56 | kurumin_ | hi |
| 15:34.04 | kurumin_ | do you speack portuguese? |
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| 15:34.16 | Vindevogel | ok, i've had it for today .... gonna try this at my other machine on slack |
| 15:34.18 | valdyn | Vindevogel: xvfb-run is just one way to use xvfb... |
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| 15:34.23 | gerald | stouset using linux26 from an ftp install does not install highmem only 896 of 2gig is reqognized. |
| 15:34.24 | cahoot | hawking: IIRC module-assistant did the job for me - I suppose you need the kernel-headers installed |
| 15:34.25 | stouset | !portugese |
| 15:34.25 | dpkg | Por favor, fale em ingles quando estiver no #Debian, assim todos poderão entender. Se você quiser usar um outro idioma, entre em #debian-rs. Para ser ajudado em portugues, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 15:34.26 | caphuso | Whisky_: no, because it makes the people stupid enough to do it come here to ask for help. now you've got three choices: downgrade the unstable packages back to the stable versions, if that's still possible, or go all the way you unstable (if you can handle it), or reinstall |
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| 15:34.36 | deeps | hi, im trying to use pppd to connect my adsl, however, the connection is less than stable it seems, is it possible to get pppd to realise this and automatically reconnect? |
| 15:34.47 | hawking | cahoot : so aptitude install kernel-headers would work? |
| 15:34.55 | stouset | gerald: What kernel? |
| 15:35.03 | gerald | 2.6 |
| 15:35.03 | valdyn | deeps: define 'less than stable' |
| 15:35.11 | gerald | I use stable |
| 15:35.16 | stouset | gerald: dpkg --get-selections | grep image-2.6 |
| 15:35.16 | kurumin_ | Portugues? |
| 15:35.23 | valdyn | deeps: and complain to your isp in any case |
| 15:35.24 | gerald | (one moment |
| 15:35.25 | stouset | kurumin_: /msg dpkg portugese |
| 15:35.29 | deeps | valdyn: it goes down randomly, i need it to auto reconnect |
| 15:35.37 | cahoot | hawking: headers for the relevant kernel version |
| 15:35.55 | gerald | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 install |
| 15:35.57 | deeps | valdyn: complaining to my isp doesnt help when im leaving the country in <24hrs and need my machines here to remain online while im gone |
| 15:35.58 | caphuso | deeps: persist and/or demand options |
| 15:36.04 | stew | gerald, valdyn: yes, i just checked -686-smp has CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
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| 15:36.15 | valdyn | deeps: activate persist in /etc/ppp/options ? |
| 15:36.16 | deeps | caphuso: im using 'persist', it doesnt seem to realise its gone down though |
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| 15:36.22 | gerald | (I am very new to debian fyi) |
| 15:36.26 | jjazz | I download and sort a bunch of mail into mboxes with fetchmail+perl. I would like to point dovecot to those mboxes (they're in ~/.mail), but I can't figure out what to change in dovecot.conf to accomplish this. Thanks. |
| 15:36.28 | kurumin_ | Portuguese? |
| 15:36.29 | caphuso | deeps: then the connection isn't down |
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| 15:36.39 | thingfish | !br |
| 15:36.40 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:36.42 | stouset | gerald: Sec. |
| 15:36.44 | hawking | cahoot : ok tryin |
| 15:36.53 | kurumin_ | Fock you |
| 15:36.54 | deeps | caphuso: i cant ping the local ip nor the tunnel endpoint |
| 15:37.03 | valdyn | gerald: 'apt-cache search kernel-image smp' pick one, apt-get install one |
| 15:37.06 | thingfish | kurumin_: it's "fuck". |
| 15:37.06 | deeps | caphuso: that makes me think it is down, given that i cant do shit over the connection either |
| 15:37.22 | kurumin_ | fuck you too |
| 15:37.25 | eleftherios | isn't there an mplayer package for Etch? |
| 15:37.35 | thingfish | :) |
| 15:37.36 | stew | eleftherios: /msg dpkg mplayer ; /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:37.37 | azeem | kurumin_: please do not use foul language in here |
| 15:37.38 | valdyn | eleftherios: sure there is one for etch |
| 15:37.46 | kurumin_ | fuck |
| 15:37.54 | kurumin_ | fuck you |
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| 15:38.02 | stew | caphuso: can you +q kurumin_ please? |
| 15:38.02 | kurumin_ | fuck tou |
| 15:38.02 | stouset | !ops Anyone mind kicking kurumin_? |
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| 15:38.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Anyone mind kicking kurumin_ |
| 15:38.04 | gerald | I notice mine says "install" next to that command interesting |
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| 15:38.13 | thingfish | yay! for caphuso. |
| 15:38.15 | stouset | Danke. |
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| 15:38.37 | caphuso | deeps: raise the debug level, check what pppd is saying about the problem |
| 15:38.39 | gerald | Thanks for the help everyone, I will persue this for a while |
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| 15:38.57 | hawking | cahoot : I installed kernel-headers 2.6.8-2-386 ... configure worked fine but when I did "make" it gave the following error : make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source: No such file or directory . Stopped |
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| 15:39.02 | thingfish | and another yay! for LoRez |
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| 15:39.17 | LoRez | did he think cycling would fix it? |
| 15:39.19 | eleftherios | I don't want mplayer, thank you guys |
| 15:39.24 | thingfish | hehe who knows |
| 15:39.27 | valdyn | hawking: trying to compile what? |
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| 15:39.40 | caphuso | LoRez: probably lame attempt at flooding |
| 15:39.44 | hawking | valdyn : alsa |
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| 15:40.03 | stouset | gerald: I'm getting the 2.6.8 smp kernel from apt, going to see if that has HIGHMEM support. |
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| 15:40.10 | valdyn | hawking: any particular reason you arent using the one you already have, which is included with your kernel? |
| 15:40.30 | hawking | valdyn : I have no sound and in my previous distro I compiled alsa and sound worked |
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| 15:41.01 | valdyn | hawking: thats coincidence at best.. |
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| 15:41.18 | valdyn | hawking: install alsa properly first ( the only thing you already _have_ properly is drivers ) |
| 15:41.19 | hawking | valdyn : thanks for your help |
| 15:41.26 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 15:41.26 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 15:41.29 | valdyn | hawking: ^^^ |
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| 15:41.49 | valdyn | hawking: skip discover1 if you already use discover and/or hotplug |
| 15:41.54 | watchcat | is alsa 0.10 in debian ? |
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| 15:42.25 | valdyn | watchcat: mm, alsa 0.10 is probably no longer existant anywhere, if it ever existed ) |
| 15:42.32 | loxley_ | watchcat: thats like old |
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| 15:42.38 | valdyn | !info alsa sarge |
| 15:42.39 | watchcat | LOL |
| 15:42.51 | lestest | hi there .. I have configured a stable to use mga driver but the startx fails saying it cannot load the mga_hal driver any clue? |
| 15:42.52 | valdyn | !info alsa-base sarge |
| 15:42.57 | hawking | valdyn : so you say installing the new alsa was just a coincidence to make soundwork? |
| 15:43.08 | valdyn | hawking: probably yea |
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| 15:43.38 | hawking | valdyn : alsaconf could find no sound card ... |
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| 15:43.50 | valdyn | hawking: you need to keep in mind that 'alsa' consists of many parts, the drivers alone ( that are in your kernel already ) do not do much alone |
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| 15:44.01 | valdyn | hawking: which soundcard is it? |
| 15:44.27 | hawking | valdyn : Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 15:44.34 | deeps | caphuso: not getting any debug info out of ppp, all im seeing is: modem_run[3874]: [monitoring report] ADSL link stays stable (down) :: when i pull out the phone line to simulate an error |
| 15:44.41 | watchcat | why arent alsa programs bundled toghether ? |
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| 15:44.47 | valdyn | hawking: ok, you need newer alsa drivers. |
| 15:45.00 | hawking | valdyn : yeah ... |
| 15:45.01 | deeps | caphuso: all im getting is the usual connection spam from pppd when it connects the first time, thats it |
| 15:45.09 | watchcat | why arent alsa programs bundled toghether ? and released has packages |
| 15:45.22 | valdyn | hawking: sec |
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| 15:45.31 | hawking | valdyn : k |
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| 15:45.51 | valdyn | hawking: looking which the earliest release supporting intel HD is |
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| 15:46.16 | hawking | valdyn : well I'll just need to get alsa source and compile right? |
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| 15:46.46 | valdyn | hawking: yea, but do it the debian way, i'll assist. |
| 15:46.59 | watchcat | hawking, are you in a wheelchair ? |
| 15:47.06 | unforgettableid | not funny |
| 15:47.27 | hawking | valdyn : what ya mean with the debian way? |
| 15:47.32 | valdyn | hawking: 'apt-cache policy alsa-base', tell me the version please |
| 15:47.44 | bonz | is there a fix for gcc 3.0 in sid yet or do I need too roll back gcc & possibly some other packages too compile a kernel again? |
| 15:47.56 | valdyn | hawking: you dont just download drivers from www.alsa-project.org and use those |
| 15:48.00 | watchcat | policy alsa-base ? |
| 15:48.22 | valdyn | !info alsa-base sarge |
| 15:48.35 | hawking | valdyn : 1.0.8-7 |
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| 15:49.07 | watchcat | valdyn, would you like some chocolate mouse with that ? |
| 15:49.12 | valdyn | hawking: ok, add a deb-src line for testing in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:49.31 | valdyn | deb-src http://master:9999/debian sid main contrib non-free |
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| 15:49.50 | hawking | valdyn : adding |
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| 15:49.55 | valdyn | hawking: like that above, just your, not my mirror, and contrib non-free is not required |
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| 15:50.33 | valdyn | hawking: oh and etch instead of sid |
| 15:50.56 | azeem | valdyn: so basically "copy your deb line and modify it to deb-src" ;) |
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| 15:51.04 | watchcat | witch alsa flavor are you installing ? |
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| 15:51.16 | watchcat | let me guess |
| 15:51.20 | watchcat | vanila ! |
| 15:51.20 | valdyn | hawking: look at what azeem so wisely said ;) |
| 15:51.26 | valdyn | azeem: yea i hit paste by mistake |
| 15:51.35 | azeem | ah, heh |
| 15:51.45 | watchcat | valdyn, are you a bot ? |
| 15:51.46 | hawking | valdyn : ok :) |
| 15:51.49 | azeem | watchcat: are you? |
| 15:52.10 | azeem | watchcat: you seem to contribute to a lower S/N ratio right now |
| 15:52.12 | hawking | valdyn : so is that it ? ---> deb-src http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 15:52.14 | watchcat | i asked 1st |
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| 15:52.29 | jbroome | fight for support! |
| 15:52.34 | valdyn | hawking: yep, but not 'stable', change that to 'etch' |
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| 15:52.42 | watchcat | lol jbroome |
| 15:52.45 | hawking | valdyn : okie |
| 15:52.49 | jbroome | debian deathmatch! |
| 15:53.00 | hawking | valdyn : done now apt-get update right? |
| 15:53.07 | valdyn | hawking: yea |
| 15:53.26 | hawking | valdyn : done |
| 15:53.30 | watchcat | jbroome, theyr just chater boxs |
| 15:53.55 | watchcat | pasting some old conversation |
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| 15:54.27 | valdyn | hawking: now make a directory where you want to compile stuff / create the new deb packages |
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| 15:55.11 | watchcat | valdyn, why dont you turn this chant into a howto ? |
| 15:55.34 | valdyn | watchcat: the howto is /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:55.35 | hawking | valdyn : done |
| 15:55.58 | watchcat | valdyn, if that is true why are you bothring ? |
| 15:56.16 | watchcat | hawking, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 15:56.40 | watchcat | simple :) |
| 15:56.46 | valdyn | hawking: apt-get build-dep alsa-base |
| 15:57.06 | valdyn | watchcat: why dont you shut up? |
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| 15:57.34 | watchcat | valdyn, im going to since you asked nicelly |
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| 15:58.28 | valdyn | hawking: done? |
| 15:58.40 | hawking | valdyn : my apt-get doesn't work properly it tells it will dl some files and when I type Y it aborts .. so I use aptitude normally but when I use aptitude for this it also gives error |
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| 15:58.55 | valdyn | hawking: which one? |
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| 15:59.10 | Dhany^ | who can help me with eggdrop? |
| 15:59.12 | Dhany^ | please private |
| 15:59.14 | hawking | valdyn : aptitude build-dep alsa-base |
| 15:59.29 | valdyn | hawking: which error? |
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| 15:59.36 | hawking | valdyn : it says this ability doesn't have super cow powers |
| 15:59.37 | stew | Dhany^: its not likely someone will /msg you, if you have a question, just ask away here. |
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| 15:59.47 | stew | Dhany^: and, did you look at the docs in /usr/share/doc/eggdrop ? |
| 15:59.48 | watchcat | valdyn, if you find the time let me now if theres any major reason why o should upgrade alsa since im allready runing a working version |
| 15:59.54 | umbop | anyone got any idea why */15 * * * * /usr/local/bin/script for some reason isn't running every 15 minutes |
| 15:59.54 | __filip_ | how can i restart x ? |
| 16:00.13 | valdyn | watchcat: his sound interface is not supported before alsa 1.0.9 |
| 16:00.14 | loxley_ | watchcat: was valdyn talking to you? |
| 16:00.16 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: kill it, then start it again |
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| 16:00.47 | watchcat | loxley_, get a life |
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| 16:00.58 | watchcat | was i talking to you ? |
| 16:00.59 | loxley_ | watchcat: get a gag.. |
| 16:01.09 | Blackhold | hello, there's anyone of france using wanadoo? I need some help please |
| 16:01.09 | watchcat | loxley_, get lost |
| 16:01.16 | SerajewelKS | !fr |
| 16:01.16 | valdyn | hawking: just use apt-get then |
| 16:01.16 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:01.17 | stew | watchcat: loxley_ please stop. use /ignore |
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| 16:01.28 | watchcat | ive stoped |
| 16:01.29 | loxley_ | stew: ok |
| 16:01.36 | gerald | Hello again! |
| 16:01.37 | valdyn | hawking: apt-get build-dep alsa-base |
| 16:01.45 | Dhany^ | stew please answer |
| 16:01.52 | stew | Dhany^: you haven't asked a question |
| 16:01.57 | gerald | Valdyn / Stouset thanks a mil (smp and highmem running like a champ |
| 16:01.58 | Dhany^ | in private i did |
| 16:02.19 | stew | Dhany^: please keep it on the channel |
| 16:02.20 | azeem | Dhany^: don't /msg people |
| 16:02.32 | Dhany^ | ;( |
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| 16:02.38 | stew | <Dhany^> stew can you help me a little bit? the answer to that is maybe |
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| 16:02.49 | stew | Dhany^: if you have a specific question, ask it |
| 16:02.52 | hawking | valdyn : apt-get has a bug-like thing I guess.. it says it will download the packages : build-essential debconf-utils debhelper dpatch gettext html2text intltool-debian po-debconf and asks if I want to continue when I type Y it aborts |
| 16:03.11 | Dhany^ | stew i didnt complete an eggdrop.conf file |
| 16:03.15 | gerald | anyone here use Nagios-mysql? does it give you the ability to store confifg data in mysql or just the performance data? |
| 16:03.23 | Dhany^ | can i send it to you and could you look what i didnt do? |
| 16:03.25 | Dhany^ | please |
| 16:03.33 | SerajewelKS | !pastebin |
| 16:03.34 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 16:03.37 | SerajewelKS | Dhany^: ^^^ |
| 16:03.39 | valdyn | hawking: use aptitude to install those packages apt-get is listing then |
| 16:03.40 | kingsley | LoRez: Are you here? |
| 16:03.50 | stew | Dhany^: i don't know what an eggdrop.conf should look like |
| 16:03.55 | hawking | valdyn : k |
| 16:03.58 | LoRez | kingsley: typically |
| 16:04.11 | Blackhold | hello, there's anyone of france using wanadoo? I need some help please |
| 16:04.18 | Dhany^ | stew ill send you and youll see |
| 16:04.19 | Dhany^ | m? |
| 16:04.20 | SerajewelKS | !tell Blackhold about repeat |
| 16:04.22 | SerajewelKS | !tell Blackhold about fr |
| 16:04.25 | dogmeat | what is a defunct process? |
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| 16:04.37 | hawking | valdyn : done |
| 16:04.40 | rootnoverify | hi all |
| 16:04.40 | kingsley | LoRez: May I chat with you in #private? |
| 16:04.47 | stew | !pastebin is also http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:04.47 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:04.48 | LoRez | no, I'm not in #private. |
| 16:04.55 | SerajewelKS | dogmeat: a child process that has not been reaped by its parent |
| 16:04.57 | Dhany^ | stew m? |
| 16:05.05 | valdyn | hawking: ok, now 'apt-get -b source alsa-base' |
| 16:05.09 | jjazz | I download and sort a bunch of mail into mboxes with fetchmail+perl. I would like to point dovecot to those mboxes (they're in ~/.mail), but I can't figure out what to change in dovecot.conf to accomplish this. Thanks. |
| 16:05.10 | watchcat | dogmeat, just something waitinh to be incenerated |
| 16:05.11 | SerajewelKS | or is that a zombie |
| 16:05.13 | stew | Dhany^: what does "m?" mean? |
| 16:05.16 | tehhh | really nasty problem: running debian unstable. /boot and / are on LVM volume groups. i have added a non existing option in /etc/fstab for all my file systems. after the reboot. / is mount read-only and i can't remount it RW. i've tried: mount -s -o remount /, without luck. it says it not mounted or there are wrong options. any idea? |
| 16:05.19 | rootnoverify | I just installed debian, now having some issues with resolutions.. |
| 16:05.31 | Dhany^ | it means can i send you file and youll look |
| 16:05.39 | Dhany^ | and currect what need |
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| 16:06.04 | kingsley | LoRez: What's the best way to ask you a sensitive question? |
| 16:06.04 | jjazz | tehhh, boot into a rescue disk and edit fstab? |
| 16:06.05 | hawking | valdyn : done |
| 16:06.18 | LoRez | kingsley: in private. |
| 16:06.23 | tehhh | jjazz, and that rescue disc will detect properly the LVM groups ? |
| 16:06.23 | valdyn | hawking: done? compiling shouldn't go _that_ fast |
| 16:06.32 | Dhany^ | stew ? => |
| 16:06.34 | hawking | valdyn: well it is |
| 16:06.34 | LoRez | not in a channel named private |
| 16:06.40 | stew | Dhany^: if you want people to look at it, put it on http://channels.debian.net/paste/ and paste the resulting url here. people will look. as i said before i don't know what an eggdrop.conf should look like. did you read man eggdrop, man eggdrop.conf, and the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/eggdrop ? |
| 16:06.49 | valdyn | hawking: look what .deb files were created |
| 16:07.00 | jjazz | tehhh, I have no idea. I suppose whether or not the disk can mount those will depend on the disk. |
| 16:07.13 | SerajewelKS | Dhany^: or ask in #debian-bots |
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| 16:07.26 | hawking | valdyn : alsa-base_1.0.10-1_all.deb and linux-sound-base_1.0.10-1_all.deb |
| 16:07.37 | kingsley | LoRez: My nick isn't regsitered, so private messaging isn't available to me. Is there another way to chat privately? |
| 16:07.40 | com-0 | i was searching for something like chkconfig for redhat, basicly i need to list a summary of the current setting for each service in each runlevel. i found update-rc.d, but it only setup service. there is no list option |
| 16:07.42 | tehhh | jjazz, i've tried one linux live cd, but all it sees is /dev/hda5 which is type LVM. i can't mount it directly :-) |
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| 16:07.55 | LoRez | kingsley: you should be able to always message staff. |
| 16:07.57 | rootnoverify | no one can help me? |
| 16:07.59 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: make a channel, set it +i, and /invite LoRez |
| 16:08.04 | LoRez | SerajewelKS: uh, no. |
| 16:08.07 | valdyn | hawking: uh? no alsa-source package? |
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| 16:08.09 | timo | play |
| 16:08.19 | timo | oh, this wasn't xmms-shell |
| 16:08.19 | SerajewelKS | LoRez: no? |
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| 16:08.29 | stew | rootnoverify: you need to ask a specific question |
| 16:08.35 | hawking | valdyn : sorry alsa-source_1.0.10-1_all.deb |
| 16:08.35 | kingsley | help /msg |
| 16:08.38 | hawking | didn't see |
| 16:08.50 | LoRez | or, take the bold move of registering your nick. |
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| 16:09.29 | jjazz | tehhh, I don't know enough about raids to advise you. I imagine there's a live CD with the tools to do this. You just have to know enough about it to change the settings after you boot, assuming auto-detect doesn't happen. |
| 16:09.51 | tehhh | raid != lvm ;-) |
| 16:09.56 | rootnoverify | well, I can only choose between 2 resolutions (640*480 and 800*600) so I doubt that my graphical card is installed (it's a nvidia gforce) but when I try to install it, it says that i need to shutdown X.. so my question is: what to do next? |
| 16:09.59 | valdyn | hawking: ok, great, that is your drivers. but before using those, create some more debs: apt-get build-dep alsa-utils alsa-oss alsa-lib alsa-plugins |
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| 16:10.16 | BeBoo | Isn't there a php4-pcntl package? |
| 16:10.18 | thingfish | rootnoverify: how are you trying to install nvidia drivers? |
| 16:10.37 | stouset | gerald: Good to know. |
| 16:10.38 | hawking | valdyn : error E: Build-Depends dependency for alsa-utils cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libasound2-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 16:10.52 | petomat | does anybody know if it is hard to install the nvidia driver? |
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| 16:11.01 | resiak | !tell petomat -about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:11.02 | SerajewelKS | !tell petomat about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:11.04 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
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| 16:11.13 | vincent` | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 16:11.16 | tehhh | petomat, it's not hard. type "nvidia debian" in google and look at the first site |
| 16:11.19 | thingfish | !tell rootnoverify about nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:11.23 | vincent` | lol |
| 16:11.26 | stew | rootnoverify: what version of debian? stable? look at /var/log/Xfree86.0.log and see why the other modes were thrown away. usually it means you didn't input the correct refresh ratees for your monitor. |
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| 16:11.30 | valdyn | hawking: oh ok, that package will be created by compiling the alsa-libs, so apt-get build-dep alsa-libs and apt-get -b source alsa-libs |
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| 16:11.35 | stew | rootnoverify: how is the monitor connected? vga or dvi? |
| 16:11.38 | rootnoverify | stew: stable |
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| 16:11.46 | rootnoverify | dunno, its a laptop |
| 16:11.49 | aarktica | Greetings, all. I am trying to install Debian into a re-formatted partition from a Gentoo host using debootstrap. However, during the extraction stage, there is an abrupt exit. The exit is a "Permission Denied" issue, related to chroot and mount. Any ideas on how I can fix this? |
| 16:12.03 | jjazz | I download and sort a bunch of mail into mboxes with fetchmail+perl. I would like to point dovecot to those mboxes (they're in ~/.mail), but I can't figure out what to change in dovecot.conf to accomplish this. Thanks. |
| 16:12.09 | hawking | valdyn : Error : E: Unable to find a source package for alsa-libs |
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| 16:12.31 | valdyn | hawking: replace that with libasound2 |
| 16:12.36 | fndude | I am trying to upgrade via apt, I get a message that some packages have been kept back. What causes this? |
| 16:12.44 | SerajewelKS | aarktica: afaik you don't need to chroot |
| 16:12.51 | resiak | jjazz: You're probably best off asking the dovecot folks about that, or reading the dovecot docs. |
| 16:12.59 | rootnoverify | stew: I don't think I inputted any refresh rates |
| 16:13.06 | stew | rootnoverify: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 16:13.23 | rootnoverify | stew: I'll try |
| 16:13.29 | aarktica | SerajewelKS, actually, I think it is automated. |
| 16:13.30 | jjazz | resiak, I've spent a few hours mired in dovecot docs with no results. I can see the bit to change, just don't know what to set it to. Is there a dovecot channel that you know of? |
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| 16:13.36 | stew | rootnoverify: try that, if you haven't already. and if you have edited XFree86Config-4 by hand or run xf86config you need to read /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 16:14.14 | hawking | valdyn : ok I did apt-get build-dep libasound2 and it installed two packages |
| 16:14.17 | rootnoverify | what x-server drivers should I select? |
| 16:14.19 | aarktica | SerajewelKS, perhaps I do not understand what you mean. If I do not chroot, what other options do I have? |
| 16:14.30 | valdyn | hawking: now apt-get -b source libasound2 |
| 16:14.30 | stew | rootnoverify: for a nvidia? nv. |
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| 16:14.40 | thingfish | fndude: the held back packages have no updates available at the moment, or some of their dependencies have no currently available updates. |
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| 16:14.51 | SerajewelKS | aarktica: don't you just do like 'debootstrap sarge /mnt/foo' ? |
| 16:14.56 | quad3datwork2 | anyone ran into any UDEV issues w/ openldap? |
| 16:15.01 | hawking | valdyn: ok working... |
| 16:15.08 | SerajewelKS | !tell quad3datwork2 about anyone |
| 16:15.10 | kingsley | LoRez: Have you seen my private messages? |
| 16:15.12 | resiak | jjazz: #dovecot is probably a good start |
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| 16:15.26 | fndude | thingfish: ty. |
| 16:15.31 | resiak | !kingsleysmite LoRez |
| 16:15.31 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer LoRez: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.869209881729098! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 16:15.34 | thingfish | fndude: you're welcome |
| 16:15.35 | jjazz | resiak, heh. thanks much. |
| 16:15.38 | rootnoverify | stew: bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 16:15.47 | stew | rootnoverify: you have to run it as root |
| 16:15.57 | rootnoverify | whoops |
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| 16:16.34 | rootnoverify | stew: debian:/home/ilias# bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 16:16.35 | stew | that is a wierd definition of productive |
| 16:16.47 | SerajewelKS | rootnoverify: su - |
| 16:16.51 | SerajewelKS | rootnoverify: not just su |
| 16:16.58 | stew | rootnoverify: its in /usr/sbin/ |
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| 16:17.07 | hawking | valdyn: Done |
| 16:17.08 | thingfish | fndude: one of the channel bots, dpkg, is a storehouse of info. /msg dpkg foo usually returns something useful. In your case, /msg dpkg held back is informative. |
| 16:17.12 | stew | rootnoverify: which you probably don't have in your user's path |
| 16:17.13 | SerajewelKS | rootnoverify: without the - su doesn't give you root's environment |
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| 16:17.17 | com-0 | i was searching for something like chkconfig for redhat, basicly i need to list a summary of the current setting for each service in each runlevel. i found update-rc.d, but it only setup service. there is no list option |
| 16:17.41 | valdyn | hawking: install the debian packages that got created ( dpkg -i *deb ), any errors, tell me |
| 16:17.48 | hawking | ok |
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| 16:18.06 | fndude | thingfish: awesome, thats a great tip for this channel! |
| 16:18.11 | rootnoverify | stew: It's locked by another process |
| 16:18.26 | hawking | valdyn : dpkg: error processing alsa-base_1.0.10-1_all.deb (--install): |
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| 16:18.38 | hawking | valdyn : conflicting packages - not installing alsa-base |
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| 16:18.43 | stew | rootnoverify: are you running apt-get / aptitude / synaptic in another window/terminal? |
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| 16:18.53 | aarktica | SerajewelKS, yes, I did use a similar command, but I used sid instead. |
| 16:18.53 | valdyn | hawking: conflicting with what? |
| 16:19.10 | SerajewelKS | aarktica: hrm dunno then.. debootstrap works for me |
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| 16:19.16 | resiak | com-0: apt-get install rcconf |
| 16:19.16 | aarktica | SerajewelKS, not only that, I also had to have some packages excluded. |
| 16:19.16 | rootnoverify | stew: nope |
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| 16:19.40 | rootnoverify | should I restart my session? |
| 16:19.41 | kingsley | karsten: Are you there? |
| 16:19.42 | aarktica | SerajewelKS, what options do you use in fstab for the target mount point? |
| 16:19.43 | hawking | valdyn : dpkg: regarding alsa-base_1.0.10-1_all.deb containing alsa-base: |
| 16:19.43 | hawking | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.43 | hawking | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.56 | SerajewelKS | aarktica: i don't use fstab for temporary mounts |
| 16:20.13 | valdyn | hawking: ok, no problem, apt-get remove alsa-utils |
| 16:20.20 | hawking | valdyn : also linux-sound-base conflicts with alsa-base (<= 1.0.8-7) |
| 16:20.25 | valdyn | hawking: we will make the new version of alsa-utils later |
| 16:20.40 | hawking | valdyn : ok removed alsa-utils |
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| 16:21.07 | stew | rootnoverify: you must be. try "lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock" to see what process is running |
| 16:21.15 | valdyn | hawking: if that was the only 2 errors: run dpkg -i linux-sound-base*deb alsa-base*deb |
| 16:21.29 | petomat | i dont relly get this whit the nvidia driver, should i paste this in an terminal: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia ? |
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| 16:21.46 | hawking | valdyn : done :) |
| 16:21.50 | thingfish | petomat: paste, or type it. |
| 16:21.57 | petomat | okej |
| 16:22.00 | thingfish | petomat: as root, of course. |
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| 16:22.08 | mik54 | Whats a quick way to tell if any duplicate lines are in a file? |
| 16:22.09 | valdyn | hawking: ok, now to make alsa-utils: apt-get build-dep alsa-utils; apt-get -b source alsa-utils |
| 16:22.11 | kingsley | LoRez: Are you there? |
| 16:22.19 | LoRez | kingsley: yes, and becoming annoyed. |
| 16:22.20 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.21 | aarktica | SerajewelKS, I just removed 'user' from the list of options, and now I don't have that problem anymore. |
| 16:22.25 | thingfish | petomat: open a terminal, su to root, type in the commands. |
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| 16:22.30 | hawking | valdn : okie |
| 16:22.37 | petomat | thingfish: ok, then apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia ? |
| 16:22.39 | kingsley | LoRez: Have you seen my private messages? |
| 16:22.43 | LoRez | no. |
| 16:22.44 | thingfish | petomat: yep |
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| 16:22.48 | stew | mik54: compare "wc -l file" to "sort -u file | wc -l" |
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| 16:23.23 | pablo4545 | hi, is there a tool that helps to edit XFConfig? |
| 16:23.39 | petomat | thingfish: ok |
| 16:23.40 | valdyn | !drxx pablo4545 |
| 16:23.40 | dpkg | pablo4545: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:23.46 | pablo4545 | thanks a lot |
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| 16:24.24 | hawking | valdyn : done |
| 16:24.29 | SerajewelKS | hawking: install them all at once: dpkg -i alsa*.deb |
| 16:24.33 | rootnoverify | reloaded session |
| 16:24.44 | rootnoverify | stew: what was the command again? |
| 16:24.45 | valdyn | hawking: install the debs that got created |
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| 16:24.58 | hawking | valdyn : alsa-utils conflicts with udev (<< 0.060) |
| 16:25.12 | valdyn | oh shit |
| 16:25.35 | stew | !drxx rootnoverify |
| 16:25.35 | dpkg | rootnoverify: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:25.41 | valdyn | hawking: do you need udev? |
| 16:25.48 | hawking | valdyn : what's udev? |
| 16:25.53 | valdyn | hawking: ( because you are using gnome or somesuch? ) |
| 16:25.59 | stew | hawking: do you use gnome-volume-manager? |
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| 16:26.12 | hawking | stew : sometimes |
| 16:26.16 | rootnoverify | dpkg: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 16:26.17 | dpkg | that's too long, rootnoverify |
| 16:26.25 | hawking | valdyn : I use gnome |
| 16:26.27 | rootnoverify | sorry :) |
| 16:26.28 | valdyn | hawking: remove udev for now |
| 16:26.32 | stew | hawking: gnome-volume-manager depends on udev |
| 16:26.46 | hawking | valdyn : hmm so I won't be able to use gnome-volume-manager right? |
| 16:26.49 | valdyn | hawking: it will not remove more than gnome-volume-manager and metapackages ( which you dont need ) |
| 16:26.58 | valdyn | hawking: right, for now, we can fix that later |
| 16:27.03 | hawking | valdyn : ok |
| 16:27.05 | kingsley | LoRez: It appears that /msg didn't work. Is there another way to chat privately? |
| 16:27.14 | vincent` | wow just tried 2.6.14-2-amd64-k8-smp on my dual opteron, tells me /bin/cat can't find /sys/block/hda/dev, anyone seen anything like this ? |
| 16:27.25 | LoRez | kingsley: if you want to talk to me so badly, register your nick and try again. |
| 16:27.33 | stew | hawking: yes you won't be able to use g-v-m for the time being. don't be alarmed when it also wants to remove gnome,gnome-desktop-environment,hal |
| 16:27.34 | secher | vincent: one sec.. I'll get the url for you. |
| 16:27.41 | hawking | valdyn : I did apt-get remove udev and it says those packages will be removed --> gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal |
| 16:27.42 | vincent` | sweet thx |
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| 16:28.11 | valdyn | hawking: yea, the only 'functionality' you use is gnome-volume-manager, thats expected, no problem |
| 16:28.13 | kingsley | LoRez: I noticed that you banned karsten about 21 hours ago, yet it's not obvious to me why a ban was necessary. Why did you ban karsten? |
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| 16:28.22 | rootnoverify | w/e.. I'll reboot |
| 16:28.29 | LoRez | kingsley: go away. |
| 16:28.31 | secher | vincent: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343048 and search the page for mkinitramsf-tools that should put you straight. |
| 16:28.35 | hawking | valdyn : so it won't remove gnome all over right? |
| 16:28.39 | valdyn | hawking: everything else of gnome will stay |
| 16:28.39 | hawking | cause it says so |
| 16:28.42 | valdyn | hawking: right |
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| 16:29.06 | vincent` | secher: thx, run into a similiar issue ? |
| 16:29.08 | LoRez | kingsley: you've wasted enough of my time already. |
| 16:29.20 | valdyn | hawking: 'gnome' isnt 'all gnome' gnome needs 'all of gnome' to be installed, you have 'all of gnome _Except- gnome-volume-manager' after removing udev |
| 16:29.21 | secher | vincent`, Many people did. |
| 16:29.33 | hawking | valdyn : it seems it is removing everything |
| 16:29.55 | valdyn | hawking: what is? aptitude? |
| 16:30.00 | hawking | valdyn : yes |
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| 16:30.12 | valdyn | hawking: dont use aptitude then |
| 16:30.23 | hawking | valdyn : thanks for telling after I removed all |
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| 16:30.29 | valdyn | hawking: hehe |
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| 16:30.36 | valdyn | hawking: dont worry, reinstalling isnt hard. |
| 16:30.36 | secher | has anyone made an apt factiod for the kernel bug in 2.6.14....-5? |
| 16:30.44 | hawking | valdyn : yeah hope so |
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| 16:30.50 | bobbens | I'm still trying to get any /dev/input/event to be the wacom, since currently it only exists as /dev/input/mouse1. Upon disconnecting it and reconnecting it i get these kern messages: http://pastebin.com/462380 , but it doesnt make a /dev/input/event. I've also tried rmmod wacom and then modprobe wacom and all these things, yet it just doesnt seem to make a /dev/input/event. Any ideas? |
| 16:30.54 | watchcat | APTITUDE is for people with atitude |
| 16:30.56 | valdyn | hawking: now get your alsa-utils installed |
| 16:30.56 | thingfish | aptitude gets a little "enthusiastic" sometimes. |
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| 16:31.38 | sdakota | hi |
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| 16:31.46 | vincent` | odd, i don't have a /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, sould i ? |
| 16:32.06 | secher | The only thing I've found that comes close to being an equal to plain old apt-* is synaptic. |
| 16:32.09 | valdyn | !info libselinux1-dev |
| 16:32.12 | hawking | valdyn: alsa-utils depends on lsb-base (>= 3.0-9); however: |
| 16:32.13 | vincent` | oh hrm initramfs-tools |
| 16:32.18 | hawking | lsb-base is not installed |
| 16:32.21 | valdyn | !info libselinux1-dev sarge |
| 16:32.24 | sdakota | think there's a version bug with libapache2-mod-php4 and php4 (and mods) |
| 16:32.41 | valdyn | hawking: install it |
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| 16:32.45 | stew | sdakota: can you be more specific? |
| 16:32.53 | watchcat | isnt php in version 5 ? |
| 16:32.54 | sdakota | stew: sec... |
| 16:32.55 | hawking | valdyn : I did now it gives it's old version |
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| 16:33.29 | sdakota | stew: firstly... libapache2-mod-php4 needs php4-common=4:4.3.10-15 but 4:4.3.10-16 is to be installed. |
| 16:33.34 | hawking | valdyn : the debian way seems a lot harder and longer than just compiling the source from the page... I guess |
| 16:33.34 | bnoji | Well. I dont think the USB/Serial cable is going to work with the APC UPS :( |
| 16:33.49 | sdakota | stew: so I type apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 php4-common=4:4.3.10-15 |
| 16:33.52 | valdyn | hawking: hold on, yea, seems so |
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| 16:33.56 | stew | sdakota: in stable? |
| 16:33.57 | secher | vincent`:everything coming along ok? |
| 16:34.05 | sdakota | stew: i'm using sarge |
| 16:34.06 | petomat | i have som problem to install the nvidia driver i get this message: build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! then can i choose to view the logfil, continiue and skip that step or stop. what should i do? |
| 16:34.06 | hawking | valdyn : can ya just tell me how I can get my gnome back? |
| 16:34.17 | stew | !depends libapache2-mod-php4 sarge |
| 16:34.35 | stew | !info php4-common sarge |
| 16:34.35 | valdyn | hawking: yea, im trying to give you a simpler solution that doesnt involve breaking alsa |
| 16:34.37 | vincent` | petomat: do you have your kernel headers/source installed in /usr/src ? |
| 16:34.39 | stew | !test |
| 16:34.40 | dpkg | No, stew, you're not online any more. |
| 16:34.58 | petomat | vincent: dont know |
| 16:35.01 | sdakota | stew: this command is quite working, it downgrades php4-common and php4, php4-mysql and phpmyadmin |
| 16:35.05 | secher | !botsnack |
| 16:35.05 | dpkg | secher: thanks |
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| 16:35.14 | stew | sdakota: according to http://packages.debian.org/libapache2-mod-php4 has morethan one version available in sarge |
| 16:35.16 | sdakota | stew: I mean it downgrades php4-common and uninstalls the other 3 |
| 16:35.17 | watchcat | hawking, whats your sound card ? |
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| 16:35.25 | hawking | valdyn : why don't you just tell me the reason of the error that make gives when compiling the source from the site and all will be ok? |
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| 16:35.29 | vincent` | petomat: sounds like it's trying to build something against your kernel and you don't have the source |
| 16:35.31 | refnumzx | im having problems with pub priv keys over ssh generated the key pair on the server i want to ssh from put private key on machine i want to ssh into, 600 on the files and 700 on the dirs |
| 16:35.37 | roler | do you guys think KDE or Gnome is more popular/useful? After reading the quote on slashdot from Linus about KDE I was just curious... |
| 16:35.41 | stew | sdakota: try apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4=4:4.3.10-16 |
| 16:35.44 | refnumzx | it still prompts me for password |
| 16:35.45 | hawking | watchcat : Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 16:35.48 | sdakota | stew: but there is NO WAY to install libapache2-mod-php4 and php4-common and php4-mysql (afaik) |
| 16:35.48 | valdyn | hawking: run apt-get install gnome, watch that removing your drivers again though |
| 16:35.50 | petomat | vincent`: what should i do then? |
| 16:35.54 | valdyn | hawking: but that's ok |
| 16:36.00 | stew | sdakota: there definately is |
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| 16:36.08 | sdakota | stew: E: Version '4:4.3.10-16' for 'libapache2-mod-php4' was not found |
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| 16:36.10 | valdyn | hawking: you cant just mix random alsa drivers with libraries with other stuff, that wouldnt work |
| 16:36.11 | hawking | valdyn : who cares about drivers that don't work |
| 16:36.23 | hawking | valdyn : hmm |
| 16:36.27 | sdakota | stew: i'll try an apt-get update.. |
| 16:36.29 | hawking | valdyn : but it worked under ubuntu |
| 16:36.29 | stew | sdakota: can you paste your sources.list to #flood or a pastebin? (don't paste here) |
| 16:36.50 | stew | sdakota: and the output of "apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php4" while you are at it |
| 16:36.53 | watchcat | hawking, i loved when sound cards was named in logacla ways |
| 16:36.59 | watchcat | logical |
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| 16:37.04 | sdakota | stew: just did an apt-get update.. |
| 16:37.07 | aarktica | SerajewelKS, do you have a guide that you used for the installation process? |
| 16:37.11 | valdyn | hawking: ubuntu isnt debian, differences may or may not be in your favour ) |
| 16:37.17 | sdakota | stew: same error. Pasting sources.list and apt-cache policy. |
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| 16:37.28 | watchcat | instead of a number mambo jumbo kind of fation |
| 16:37.31 | hawking | valdyn : but I just want to try it |
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| 16:37.59 | vikas | how to get cdrom working on a laptop that has SATA controllers and using 2.6 kernel |
| 16:38.02 | valdyn | hawking: you got gnome back now? |
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| 16:38.10 | hawking | valdyn : not yet |
| 16:38.11 | Ranpha_away | how can i change form my user id to the root in terminal window? I almost figured out how to install deb with dpkg |
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| 16:38.22 | valdyn | hawking: apt-get install gnome |
| 16:38.23 | hawking | valdyn : even for someone who downloads with 400 kbps gnome is hard to get back ;) |
| 16:38.25 | antgel | vikas: how to tell us what problem is |
| 16:38.33 | vincent` | Ranpha_away: use the 'su' command |
| 16:38.35 | valdyn | hawking: ok |
| 16:38.40 | hawking | valdyn : %70 |
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| 16:39.03 | vikas | antgel: i've got a dell d610 laptop with SATA controllers for its IDE devices |
| 16:39.12 | hawking | valdyn : do you know why this error occurs : make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source: No such file or folder |
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| 16:39.29 | sdakota | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1281 |
| 16:39.45 | valdyn | hawking: look at /lib/modules/2.6.12-2-386/source, where does it point to, does the destination exist? |
| 16:39.45 | vikas | when i switched from 2.4.27 (the stock sarge image) to 2.6.14 (the sid image), i had to rename |
| 16:39.45 | hawking | valdyn : I think I gotta get the kernel sources |
| 16:39.54 | vikas | all my drives to sda* from hda* |
| 16:40.13 | vikas | because 2.6 series uses the SCSI transport layer for the SATA drives... |
| 16:40.21 | vikas | but oddly enough my cd-drive is not working... |
| 16:40.38 | hawking | valdyn : it's a link to /home/horms/tmp/debia n-kernel-test/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8/install-386 |
| 16:40.47 | Azar | I am unable to startx, it says it is already active in display 0 but it is not true, how do I stop/restart? |
| 16:41.01 | valdyn | hawking: ...and that directory doesn't exist, i suppose |
| 16:41.07 | hawking | valdyn: exactly |
| 16:41.18 | stew | sdakota: add a security line |
| 16:41.18 | vikas | googling returned a page where a guy got it working in 2.6.12 by changing a kernel header, but that line which he changed to get it working is not more there in 2.6.14 :( |
| 16:41.43 | stew | sdakota: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 16:41.49 | sdakota | stew: ofcóúrse! i KNEW there was some line missing o.O ... |
| 16:41.52 | Ranpha_away | Thanks...it tried to install......it better then nothing.....but is there a quicker way then dpkg??? (havn't read the manual far enough) |
| 16:41.52 | dpkg | Ranpha_away: de rien |
| 16:41.55 | refnumzx | im having problems with pub priv keys over ssh generated the key pair on the server i want to ssh from put private key on machine i want to ssh into, 600 on the files and 700 on the dirs |
| 16:42.00 | refnumzx | it still prompts me for password |
| 16:42.13 | valdyn | hawking: i'd probably use 'deb http://willem.engen.nl/debian sarge backports/alsa' and get those packages |
| 16:42.16 | vikas | Azar: try doing a "ps -eaf| grep X" |
| 16:42.17 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 16:42.19 | sdakota | stew: maybe the makers of netselect-apt should know this |
| 16:42.25 | Azar | thank you vikas |
| 16:42.33 | valdyn | hawking: thats alsa 1.0.9, for sarge |
| 16:42.34 | Ranpha_away | de rien????? |
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| 16:42.37 | resiak | refnumzx: You want to put the _public_ key on the machine you're connecting to |
| 16:42.44 | vikas | Azar: if it says that X is running, kill it using the process id |
| 16:42.46 | stew | sdakota: yes, file a wishlist bug against netselect-apt |
| 16:42.49 | refnumzx | thats right |
| 16:42.51 | resiak | refnumzx: (and then add it to ~/.ssh/authorised_keys) |
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| 16:42.55 | stew | sdakota: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 16:43.04 | sdakota | stew: thanks |
| 16:43.06 | valdyn | hawking: saves you breaking debian ( i know that 'worked' on ubuntu , but its not really maintainable ) |
| 16:43.06 | refnumzx | yup |
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| 16:43.07 | resiak | refnumzx: You said you put the private key onto the target. |
| 16:43.09 | sdakota | stew: I will |
| 16:43.15 | bleaked | when one attempts to do an upgrade or dist-upgrade, what does it mean when packages are "held back"? |
| 16:43.16 | stew | sdakota: thanks |
| 16:43.19 | PerfDave | refnumzx: use ssh-copy-id to easily copy the right SSH keys from your local machine to the remote one. |
| 16:43.22 | refnumzx | sorry |
| 16:43.24 | stew | bleaked: /msg dpkg held back |
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| 16:43.33 | hawking | valdyn : what packages will I get from that repository? |
| 16:43.40 | refnumzx | i generated the key pair on the machine i am connecting from then put pub key into the machine i am connectint too |
| 16:43.54 | vikas | Ranpha_away: use apt-get |
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| 16:44.09 | vikas | Ranpha_away: read "man apt-get" for some useful stuff |
| 16:44.15 | valdyn | hawking: practically the same we installed just now, but for alsa 1.0.9 and backported to sarge |
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| 16:45.35 | valdyn | hawking: nm at a closer look that guy doesnt provide the drivers themselves |
| 16:45.35 | black_Nightmare | I know this is more of hardware than debian question but anyone heard of socket 479? |
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| 16:45.49 | d-f | can anyone tell me how to mount an usb stick on debian. I didn't manage it :( |
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| 16:45.51 | valdyn | hawking: so you would _still_ need newer kernel ( what you probably do anway ) |
| 16:46.03 | hawking | valdyn : newer kernel? |
| 16:46.06 | antgel | !tell d-f about pmount |
| 16:46.11 | vikas | d-f: "lsmod | grep usb" |
| 16:46.30 | valdyn | hawking: you kernel contains alsa drivers, 2.6.8 provides alsa drivers <= 1.0.8 |
| 16:46.31 | vikas | d-f: if it returns anything, try "cat /proc/partitions" |
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| 16:46.41 | tanker | hello. i'm using debian sarge. i have libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap configured and want to use proftpd and pam_mkhomedir. but pam_mkhomedir is probably not called. can anybody help me or point me to some docs how to enable debugging for pam_mkhomedir? |
| 16:46.45 | hawking | valdyn : so how do i get a newer kernel? |
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| 16:46.51 | vikas | and mount the one corresponding to the USB drive, its normally sd* |
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| 16:46.59 | hawking | valdyn : downloading the source and compiling? |
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| 16:47.48 | valdyn | hawking: packages.debian.org, get one from testing |
| 16:48.07 | d-f | vikas: lsmod shows some modules and cat ... tells me about ide/host0/bus0/target[0|1] |
| 16:48.14 | sdakota | stew: is there also a deb-src for security? |
| 16:48.40 | stew | sdakota: yes |
| 16:48.41 | valdyn | hawking: you can try if you sound works with that one, i have no idea if your ( not-fitting ) libasound2 etc.. will function with it or not. |
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| 16:48.49 | Samvh | hello |
| 16:48.50 | sdakota | stew: ok, i'll add that too |
| 16:48.55 | hachi | I know that there are at least a few specific ways to automatically rename my ethernet devices at boot time, does anyone know if any of these are 'better' than the rest in terms of being the debian way? |
| 16:49.41 | Samvh | when I try to install anything with apt-get I get errors with sharutils |
| 16:49.59 | Samvh | and it wasn't really a big problem but it's bothersome now because I can't install anything else anymore |
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| 16:50.11 | Samvh | install-info: No dir file specified; try --help for more information. |
| 16:50.19 | Samvh | ^^ that is the error I get every time |
| 16:50.26 | hawking | valdyn: trying |
| 16:50.26 | stew | Samvh: paste the output of your complete apt-get run to #flood or a pastebin |
| 16:50.28 | sdakota | stew: couldn't send: relay not permitted... |
| 16:50.35 | hachi | for example, nameif has no bootscripts and doesn't hook into hotplug, etc. |
| 16:50.38 | Samvh | stew: alright |
| 16:50.44 | vikas | d-f: do a df to find out the already mounted drives and compare it with the output of /proc/partitions |
| 16:50.51 | stew | sdakota: where is that error coming from? |
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| 16:50.56 | hawking | valdyn : I got the alsa-base.deb from that site and installed |
| 16:50.57 | stew | sdakota: oh |
| 16:50.58 | hawking | worked ok |
| 16:51.01 | vikas | the one that is not there in the output of df, will be your usb stick |
| 16:51.09 | vikas | assuming that it got recognized |
| 16:51.14 | stew | sdakota: you probably have exim4 configured to not allow outoging mail |
| 16:51.15 | valdyn | hawking: which site? |
| 16:51.22 | sdakota | stew: that's what reportbug says at the bottom. I've got a mailserver installed - but it's not working completely yet |
| 16:51.25 | hawking | valdyn: packages.debian.org |
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| 16:51.35 | sdakota | stew: that's why I said I had no mailserver installed |
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| 16:51.39 | valdyn | hawking: i doubt that will break anything |
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| 16:51.45 | sdakota | stew: so it tried to send to master.debian.org |
| 16:51.53 | sdakota | stew: which provided that error |
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| 16:52.00 | hawking | valdyn : whY? |
| 16:52.05 | bnoji | If there is a serial cable with non-standard pinouts, will a standard usb-serial converter work? |
| 16:52.05 | stew | sdakota: if you don't mind, ask in #debian-bugs how you can use the file that reportbug left in temp to get the bug filed |
| 16:52.06 | Early | hello |
| 16:52.07 | natsumi | He thanks guys i just installed using apt-get upgrade.....don't really know what happend but i installed a software package |
| 16:52.14 | sdakota | stew: that's okay |
| 16:52.17 | sdakota | welcome, Early |
| 16:52.18 | badblue | hi all |
| 16:52.21 | valdyn | hawking: you can revert to you old one by running something like 'dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/alsa-base-1.0.8*deb |
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| 16:52.26 | sdakota | hi, badblue |
| 16:52.30 | Early | thx sdakota |
| 16:52.30 | Early | :) |
| 16:52.33 | valdyn | hawking: that package doesnt do alot |
| 16:52.35 | sdakota | (= |
| 16:52.45 | fndude | When I restart cyrus21 it changes permissions- on var/run/cyrus/socket' changed to 0750, is this normal ops? Should I modify the init script, this breaks my email... |
| 16:52.47 | sdakota | Early, I always like warm welcomes myself, so why not please someone else with it :) |
| 16:52.54 | Samvh | http://pastebin.com/462416 |
| 16:53.00 | Samvh | ^^ that's an entire apt-get run |
| 16:53.01 | Early | ;) |
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| 16:53.28 | hawking | valdyn : any other solution? |
| 16:53.31 | valdyn | hawking: downgrading isnt supported by aptitude or apt-get so you need to run 'dpkg -i' anyway, you'd know how to get that package ( packages.debian.org ) |
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| 16:53.44 | Early | sdakota, can u help me about v4l ? |
| 16:53.49 | Samvh | I've had this error for some time now |
| 16:53.56 | Samvh | and I've tried running update and upgrade |
| 16:53.57 | sdakota | valdyn: are there scripts that, for example, listen to STDIN and paste that to some pastebin, so you can do "cat somefile | pastebinpaster "#debian" sdakota" ? |
| 16:54.04 | sdakota | Early: v4l? |
| 16:54.05 | cyberyak | I have been reconfiguring (screwing with) a recently installed debian laptop and now, I can't login. During bootup I see a message "Can not open password database." I booted to knoppix, mounted and chrooted the disk and went to look at the password and shadow files and I see something that I didn't expect. |
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| 16:54.21 | hachi | valdyn: huh? I downgrade with apt-get sometimes |
| 16:54.35 | sdakota | valdyn: it is |
| 16:54.36 | Early | ui |
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| 16:54.41 | Early | yes sdakota |
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| 16:54.43 | valdyn | sdakota: what is? |
| 16:54.45 | hawking | valdyn : goddamn it |
| 16:54.46 | sdakota | valdyn: apt-get install package=earlier.version |
| 16:54.46 | cyberyak | now, I know I could edit inittab and set it to single user and go from there, but why can I not edit the password or shadow files? |
| 16:54.54 | hawking | valdyn : it just drove me crazy |
| 16:54.54 | valdyn | sdakota: true, good point |
| 16:54.55 | sdakota | Early: what's the problem? |
| 16:54.59 | cyberyak | or is that not how it is done in debian? |
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| 16:55.11 | vincent` | cyberyak: whats wrong with the files ? |
| 16:55.13 | valdyn | hawking: what did? |
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| 16:55.22 | cyberyak | don't see anything wrong with them |
| 16:55.29 | hachi | valdyn: and apt_preferences(5) has ways to pin things and downgrade them |
| 16:55.31 | Samvh | stew: do you see anything useful in the output? |
| 16:55.37 | sdakota | valdyn: and then probably dpkg hold (packagename) to prevent aptitude from upgrading it |
| 16:55.38 | hawking | valdyn : that we have no solution |
| 16:55.40 | cyberyak | I just hadn't seen a passwd, passwd- and passwd.bak |
| 16:55.41 | hawking | to get sound work |
| 16:55.42 | cyberyak | before |
| 16:55.50 | cyberyak | same with shadow |
| 16:55.52 | valdyn | hawking: you cant install the new kernel? |
| 16:55.55 | vincent` | that's normal |
| 16:55.58 | Early | sdakota, i have install my quickcam messenger but i obtain many errors with it same as ioctl() failed and i look that /dev/v4l is absent |
| 16:56.03 | hawking | valdyn : how can i install a new kernel? |
| 16:56.08 | cyberyak | I come from a VMS and red hat background, so this is a bit new to me. |
| 16:56.11 | valdyn | hawking: download it, dpkg -i it |
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| 16:56.30 | cyberyak | but in RH, I'd just use vipw and be done with it. |
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| 16:56.32 | valdyn | hawking: its called 'linux-image-something' |
| 16:56.44 | hawking | k |
| 16:56.46 | hawking | from? |
| 16:56.48 | sdakota | Early: I don't know about webcams ... but valdyn probably does, and there are some other really smart guys in here - and ofcourse there's always our master, Google ;) |
| 16:56.57 | cyberyak | is that not how it's done in debian? |
| 16:56.59 | valdyn | hawking: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:57.12 | vincent` | cyberyak: i usually just use vi to edit /etc/passwd and shadow |
| 16:57.14 | cyberyak | I mean, how *should* I be doing this |
| 16:57.18 | Early | my master google can't help me ... i have see on this many time before come here |
| 16:57.18 | Early | .. |
| 16:57.22 | sdakota | valdyn: newest is linux-image-2.6.10 i thought, not really sure |
| 16:57.25 | stew | Samvh: you are in the process of moving from stable to testing? |
| 16:57.31 | cyberyak | delet the stuff between the ":"s and reboot |
| 16:57.33 | sdakota | valdyn: could you help Early? I have to go |
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| 16:57.39 | Samvh | no but I have done that some time ago |
| 16:57.45 | Samvh | it might be that it started then |
| 16:57.48 | vincent` | cyberyak: i would try that you always have passwd.bak to roll back to |
| 16:57.49 | hans0lo | how do I enable SSL on a virtual host on apache2? |
| 16:57.52 | FallOnMe | cyberyak: vipw works here. |
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| 16:58.04 | sdakota | hans0lo, is #apache answering? |
| 16:58.09 | cyberyak | hrm. I must ahve screwed something else up |
| 16:58.16 | Early | thx sdakota for ur help |
| 16:58.22 | valdyn | hawking: |
| 16:58.23 | hans0lo | sdakota: they just linked to some web pages that didn't answer my question. |
| 16:58.24 | vincent` | hans0lo: SSLEnable in the virtualhost directive ? |
| 16:58.30 | valdyn | hawking: |
| 16:58.34 | valdyn | wtf |
| 16:58.39 | stew | Samvh: well you still seem to have stable's sharutils |
| 16:58.40 | hans0lo | vincent`: that's probably it.. |
| 16:58.43 | sdakota | hans0lo, why didn't they answer your question? |
| 16:58.43 | valdyn | hawking: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/291 |
| 16:59.05 | sdakota | vincent`, Hans0lo, no, for that you need to install some SSL module, i thought |
| 16:59.07 | Samvh | stew: then that's probably when it started |
| 16:59.10 | hans0lo | sdakota: I dunno. prejiduce? |
| 16:59.11 | sdakota | vincent`, hans0lo, afaik |
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| 16:59.13 | cyberyak | ok, partially, I was just looking for reassurance that I was doing the correct thing. |
| 16:59.25 | Samvh | I've tried first uninstalling and then reinstalling |
| 16:59.25 | cyberyak | thank you very much. |
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| 16:59.43 | valdyn | hawking: damn, you wont just get to run this testing / sid kernel |
| 16:59.45 | FallOnMe | cyberyak: what are the permissions on your /etc/{passwd,shadow}? Does anything not work as expected? |
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| 16:59.49 | Samvh | but then it said that sharutils was in an inconsistent state |
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| 17:00.07 | cyberyak | FallOnMe, gdm doesn't start and nobody can log in. |
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| 17:00.31 | Samvh | it seems that the removing part is the one that fscks up |
| 17:00.51 | cyberyak | other than that, some of the services seem to start, so I thought that at least part of the passwd file works. |
| 17:01.01 | Samvh | so maybe some how I could force removing it or make apt-get think it isn't installed and blindly install the new version over the old one? |
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| 17:01.15 | cyberyak | it's not corrupted to the point that no services start. |
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| 17:02.08 | Early | valdyn, have u one moment for help me after please? |
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| 17:02.57 | cyberyak | I'll go hack around some more and see what the deal is. I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some change that I was unaware of. |
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| 17:03.53 | cyberyak | with RH, there is the micro$oft upgrade process so none of the utilities stay the same and the locations of files have a tendency to change. |
| 17:04.09 | cyberyak | I know that debian doesn't do that |
| 17:04.21 | cyberyak | which is why I switched. |
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| 17:04.46 | cyberyak | but I wasn't certain if there was a different way to recover. |
| 17:05.05 | cyberyak | I'm cool. It's cool. I'll get it fixed. |
| 17:05.11 | valdyn | Early: doubt i can help you, 'cat /dev/video0' should print garbage if you have a working device there |
| 17:05.16 | cyberyak | thanks. |
| 17:05.38 | Early | print garbage |
| 17:05.49 | Samvh | stew: any ideas? |
| 17:05.52 | Samvh | or anyone else of course |
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| 17:07.16 | valdyn | Early: it prints garbage? |
| 17:07.20 | Early | yes |
| 17:07.37 | valdyn | Early: did you run your tool ( i dont know it ) as root or user? |
| 17:07.37 | sdakota_away | stew: how to mail? |
| 17:07.41 | vikas | any idea how to get SATA cdrom working in 2.6.14? (sid kernel-image) |
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| 17:08.02 | Early | valdyn, user , its amsn or gnomemeeting |
| 17:08.18 | sdakota | Early: you're using amsn? |
| 17:08.20 | valdyn | Early: is that user member of the video group? |
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| 17:08.24 | sdakota | eah :) |
| 17:08.27 | Early | yes |
| 17:08.30 | Samvh | shameless plug: try bitlbee for msn |
| 17:08.31 | Early | valdyn, yes |
| 17:08.38 | sdakota | early: I like amsn, except that it quits all the time for me :/ |
| 17:09.01 | valdyn | Early: does _any_ tool you tried work on that camera? |
| 17:09.29 | mimer | hello how do i install java in debian |
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| 17:09.45 | jbroome | dpkg: java? |
| 17:09.45 | dpkg | i guess java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 17:09.46 | Early | valdyn, he "work" on gnomemeeting i obtain critical error and on amsn when i do dmesg | tail i obtain ioctl() failed |
| 17:10.09 | valdyn | Early: uname -r |
| 17:10.29 | Samvh | hans0lo: it was a reply to amsn which I heard mentioned |
| 17:10.32 | sdakota | hans0lo, starwars fan btw? |
| 17:10.33 | Early | valdyn, 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 17:10.33 | mimer | k |
| 17:10.36 | Samvh | and bitlbee makes msn feel like irc |
| 17:10.37 | Samvh | :P |
| 17:10.43 | elephantMan | Does only logrotate process is responsible for archiving system log files ? |
| 17:10.46 | mimer | what site can i get eclipse? |
| 17:10.55 | hans0lo | sdakota: nah, it's hans 0lo, not han solo |
| 17:10.55 | sdakota | !mirrors |
| 17:10.56 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 17:11.01 | valdyn | Early: this sounds like a bug in the driver for your camera to me |
| 17:11.05 | sdakota | !security mirrors |
| 17:11.07 | Ranpha_away | i think i figuring out the apt-get and dselect commands...but is there a graphic interface for this??? |
| 17:11.10 | valdyn | Early: have you tried different kernels? |
| 17:11.12 | mimer | k |
| 17:11.14 | Early | non |
| 17:11.15 | mimer | thnx |
| 17:11.17 | Early | valdyn, no |
| 17:11.37 | Early | valdyn, i don t understand why i obtain this errors ... |
| 17:11.51 | valdyn | Early: as i said, looks like a driver bug to me |
| 17:11.58 | vikas | Ranpha_away: install "synaptic" and use it |
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| 17:12.05 | Early | valdyn, u have the same problem? |
| 17:12.13 | valdyn | Early: nope |
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| 17:12.20 | sdakota | hans0lo: bad you ;) |
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| 17:12.26 | Ranpha_away | btw...i'm using a vesa driver know and i'm installin the ATI linux drivers...is this a good idea? |
| 17:12.32 | Early | valdyn, i install qc-messenger-0.9 |
| 17:12.33 | hans0lo | Ranpha_away: aptitude or synaptic |
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| 17:12.45 | antgel | !u |
| 17:12.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:12.59 | binary | hi |
| 17:13.03 | valdyn | Early: try running _any_ video tool of your choice. if none works, try a new kernel. |
| 17:13.10 | sdakota | !wud |
| 17:13.10 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 17:13.21 | Early | valdyn, and when i do v4l-conf i obtain error |
| 17:13.30 | Early | valdyn, and i don t have /dev/v4l |
| 17:13.37 | sdakota | !ne1 |
| 17:13.37 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 17:13.57 | sdakota | ;-D |
| 17:14.12 | sdakota | "I don't have two braincells to rub together" |
| 17:14.16 | sdakota | ^_^ |
| 17:14.32 | Early | valdyn, /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_QUERYCAP: Unknown error 515 |
| 17:14.37 | binary | i need help in a problem. i installed sarge and when i boot in the system it only gives me a black screen. how can i go into a command line? please prefix in your answer. |
| 17:14.43 | valdyn | Early: /dev/v4l is not a device, its just a directory. You do not 'need' it as you have all devices outisde of that just in /dev/ |
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| 17:15.17 | valdyn | Early: seems to be like that in debian, its defenitely not a problem |
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| 17:16.44 | Early | valdyn, ok thx another question if u can esd start with gnome where i can delete this entry |
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| 17:17.24 | roler | has anyone gotten jedit to work in debian? |
| 17:17.25 | starkerd | hola |
| 17:17.36 | starkerd | hola |
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| 17:17.39 | valdyn | Early: run 'gnome-sound-properties' |
| 17:17.54 | sdakota | still strange - the dutch formal and polite word for you is u, while if you say u in english it's less formal and not polite :/ more like "dude-1337" language |
| 17:17.58 | zaikxtox | hello. i have installed a debian 3.1 on a machine, but the installer installed a amdk7-smp kernel instead of the i386 ... so it does not boot. how can i use the installation disk to boot the system and do an apt-get install of a kernel? |
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| 17:18.00 | valdyn | Early: btw, try running gstreamer-properties, test your video, see if it errors out too |
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| 17:18.27 | Early | valdyn, ok i will try now |
| 17:19.17 | __filip_ | how can i delete file and directorys outside my home dir, i dont whant to use commands. |
| 17:19.19 | bobbens | dpkg-reconfgure wacom-kernel-source requires me to have kernel-headers, yet i am using a custom kernel (because i need to). How can i get it working? |
| 17:19.26 | sep | zaikxtox, after language setting, press ctrl +f2 |
| 17:19.43 | valdyn | bobbens: m-a a-i wacom |
| 17:19.47 | Early | valdyn, on gnome-sound-property the server dont start but i have esd on start 5367 0.0 0.2 2248 672 ? S 09:45 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps |
| 17:19.58 | chealer | __filip_: then what do you want to use? |
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| 17:20.20 | sep | zaikxtox, ummm alt f2 ofcouse im just blasted :P |
| 17:20.22 | __filip_ | chealer: 9i whant to move some files |
| 17:20.22 | zaikxtox | sep ctrl+f2 or alt+f2 ? |
| 17:20.25 | bobbens | valdyn: what does that mean? |
| 17:20.33 | valdyn | bobbens: or just uh, go where you build your kernel, run 'make-kpkg kernel-image modules-image' |
| 17:20.33 | zaikxtox | yes. i did... but... i must chroot or what? |
| 17:20.39 | hawking | valdyn : I have kernel 2.6.12 now still no sound |
| 17:20.50 | chealer | __filip_: try asking a channel which speaks your language |
| 17:20.54 | sep | zaikxtox, mount, i chroot and mount proc also |
| 17:21.01 | Early | valdyn, gstream dont work |
| 17:21.03 | valdyn | hawking: did you try loading your driver manually? |
| 17:21.08 | __filip_ | what is the swedish channel? |
| 17:21.14 | hawking | valdyn : how can i do that? |
| 17:21.18 | valdyn | hawking: i have no idea if 2.6.12 already supports intal hda, it might |
| 17:21.25 | chealer | __filip_: hum, ok, I guess there's none |
| 17:21.35 | __filip_ | okoko |
| 17:21.41 | cahoot | filip debian.se |
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| 17:22.10 | valdyn | hawking: 'modprobe drivername' |
| 17:22.38 | valdyn | Early: what does it do? |
| 17:22.58 | sparr | can the usb joystick driver poll the joystick at a higher interval, or is the output rate controlled by the joystick? |
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| 17:23.09 | Early | valdyn, for esd i dont knox for webcam it 's a pipeline problem |
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| 17:23.25 | hawking | valdyn : Module alsa not found |
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| 17:23.45 | hawking | valdyn : I Think I'll reinstall debian |
| 17:23.51 | tanker | ok, i solved the problem by myself: problem for pam_mkhomedir were wrong flags in shadow* entries in ldap. though i really would like to know how to enable debug for pam modules ... |
| 17:23.56 | hawking | valdyn : it's screwed |
| 17:23.56 | valdyn | hawking: 'modprobe snd-hda-intel' |
| 17:24.07 | valdyn | hawking: why would it be screwed? |
| 17:24.14 | hawking | valdyn : no output |
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| 17:24.24 | valdyn | hawking: that's a good thing |
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| 17:24.25 | hawking | valdyn : that means it exists right? |
| 17:24.30 | sep | tanker, read the doc for the module it differs |
| 17:24.37 | mr50 | has anyone else noticed that the linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 in unstable is broken and will not boot? (it reports a version of 2.6.14-5) |
| 17:24.38 | valdyn | hawking: it means the driver loaded successfully |
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| 17:24.43 | valdyn | hawking: try 'dmesg' |
| 17:24.54 | bobbens | valdyn: is kernel-image same as kernel_image when running make-kpkg? |
| 17:25.04 | valdyn | bobbens: yea |
| 17:25.09 | Binary_Dreamer | hi |
| 17:25.10 | Early | valdyn, construction for pipeline v4l failed |
| 17:25.17 | hawking | valdyn : a long text... |
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| 17:25.34 | valdyn | hawking: look if at the bottom is something about your alsa |
| 17:25.37 | vincent` | mr50: ran into that today |
| 17:25.50 | vincent` | mr50: tells you can't cat /sys/block/hda/dev ? |
| 17:25.54 | mr50 | vincent`: yup |
| 17:26.01 | hawking | valdyn : no |
| 17:26.08 | vincent` | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343048 |
| 17:26.09 | mr50 | vincent`: had to go back to a image from testing |
| 17:26.13 | vincent` | yeah |
| 17:26.14 | valdyn | hawking: try 'cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 17:26.17 | valdyn | hawking: try 'cat /proc/asound/devices' |
| 17:26.20 | vincent` | so basically it looks like the initrd doesn't have modules for ide |
| 17:26.29 | vincent` | search that page for mkinitramfs |
| 17:27.09 | hawking | valdyn : 16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback / 24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture / 0: [0- 0]: ctl / 33: : timer |
| 17:27.22 | valdyn | hawking: you win? |
| 17:27.37 | hawking | valdyn :) it seems so |
| 17:27.43 | hawking | valdyn : how can i test? |
| 17:27.47 | misieq | when doing "fakeroot make-jpkg jdk_pkg_here" i should do it as regular user, not priviliged one, right? |
| 17:27.59 | valdyn | hawking: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*wav |
| 17:28.10 | misieq | only sudo dkpg -i jpkg_pkg.deb? |
| 17:28.19 | valdyn | hawking: or cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 17:28.37 | valdyn | hawking: you want to turn up your volume first though |
| 17:28.42 | penguin_ | I have no help files for openoffice? |
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| 17:28.58 | valdyn | hawking: and probably 'echo snd-intel-hda > /etc/modules |
| 17:29.01 | mr50 | vincent`: ah cool, did you get that to work? as the older image was messing with the udev stuff and my sound card devices don't show up/work |
| 17:29.18 | valdyn | hawking: ops, echo snd-hda-intel >> /etc/modules |
| 17:29.26 | valdyn | hawking: ffs dont type my first line |
| 17:29.32 | hawking | valdyn : I did that :/ |
| 17:29.35 | vincent` | mr50: i haven't had the time to try, fighting with my raid array at the moment |
| 17:29.45 | vincent` | you can test if it works by just trying to load the module when it fails |
| 17:29.48 | Early | valdyn, construction for pipeline v4l failed |
| 17:29.48 | valdyn | hawking: ok |
| 17:29.54 | hawking | valdyn : :( |
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| 17:30.09 | hans0lo | vincent`: RAID sure is a lot of trouble sometimes. |
| 17:30.13 | Binary_Dreamer | hi, after an install of sarge all i got is a black screen. could someone help me to get into a command line? so i could edit x.please prefix |
| 17:30.14 | valdyn | hawking: do what I said 2nd, reboot and look if things work ok, they should |
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| 17:30.23 | Early | hawking, on my distrib i have problem with esd |
| 17:30.28 | hawking | valdyn : let me see |
| 17:30.34 | Early | i must kill esd before heard something |
| 17:30.36 | valdyn | Early: killall esd |
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| 17:30.55 | Early | valdyn, it s do this and before the sound work:) |
| 17:30.58 | sdakota | hawking : That is really not good. |
| 17:31.13 | Early | valdyn, i have my problem with my webcam |
| 17:31.13 | sdakota | hawking: that first line deleted all contents of /etc/modules and added snd-intel-hda to it. |
| 17:31.16 | Early | valdyn, construction for pipeline v4l failed |
| 17:31.27 | Early | sdakota, hawking as left |
| 17:31.39 | valdyn | sdakota: i told him its bad, but its probably not an issue at all. |
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| 17:31.44 | Ranpha_away | dumb question, how can you navigate in a terminal windows....like going to a dir |
| 17:31.46 | sdakota | Early, oh yes, that's true - omg, his /etc/modules is deleted .. |
| 17:32.01 | sdakota | valdyn: it isn't? it doesn't load any devices at boot now |
| 17:32.11 | valdyn | sdakota: nah, that's wrong |
| 17:32.16 | sdakota | Ranpha_away, euh... cd directoryname is going to a directory |
| 17:32.37 | sdakota | Ranpha_away, took me a while to remember that ¬.¬; |
| 17:32.41 | Early | valdyn, u know what my gstream write thisN |
| 17:32.43 | tanker | sep: i have read the docs and they say that i can put debug as a parameter, but it doesn't print anything to syslog ... |
| 17:32.43 | bobbens | valdyn: wierd getting some {standard input}: Assemblar messages: now when i try compiling it |
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| 17:33.13 | Ranpha_away | strange i get cd command to there.... |
| 17:33.14 | valdyn | bobbens: you get errors when trying to compile your kernel? |
| 17:33.20 | zaikxtox | sep, thanks. that chroot thing worked great! |
| 17:33.27 | zaikxtox | i go now |
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| 17:33.34 | bobbens | valdyn: lemme recheck but it seems like now i am, my kernel is like 3 months old |
| 17:33.35 | hawking | valdyn : I rebooted the comp |
| 17:33.48 | valdyn | hawking: and things work fine? |
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| 17:33.52 | RichiH_ | .lc |
| 17:33.54 | Quibus | hi all |
| 17:34.03 | zinosat | anyone knows how to debug fontforge scripts? apparently " If you set the environment variable PFAEDIT_VERBOSE (it doesn't need a value, just needs to be set) then FontForge will print scripts to stdout as it executes them." |
| 17:34.19 | Ranpha_away | strange the cd command doesn't work.... |
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| 17:34.37 | hawking | valdyn : how can i test sound again? |
| 17:34.39 | Binary_Dreamer | somebody, please |
| 17:34.41 | hawking | valdyn : I am afraid not |
| 17:34.54 | Early | valdyn, sdakota how i can resolve my problem ? on gstream-properties on video i obtain construction pipeline failed for v4l |
| 17:34.56 | zinosat | I'm running bash and tried both to "set PFAEDIT_VERBOSE" and to export but can't get any output while running a script |
| 17:34.59 | valdyn | hawking: what isnt working |
| 17:35.01 | triumph | anybody know why i get a , E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room , error when trying to run synaptic? |
| 17:35.01 | bobbens | valdyn: yeah i just get {standard input}:1201: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' like 10 times all at different lines |
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| 17:35.22 | sdakota | Early, Euhhh.... never did anything with video - sec, i'll try to get some information on that |
| 17:35.25 | valdyn | bobbens: try only building the modules, not the kernel |
| 17:35.26 | cahoot | triumph: try /msg dpkg mmap |
| 17:35.35 | Early | thx sdakota |
| 17:35.38 | hawking | valdyn : just tell me a good way to test sound |
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| 17:35.56 | sdakota | Early: what's the exact error you're getting? |
| 17:36.01 | valdyn | bobbens: youre probably trying to build a kernel < 2.12 with a compiler >=4.0 |
| 17:36.07 | triumph | cahoot: ta |
| 17:36.12 | Binary_Dreamer | somebody, please |
| 17:36.15 | valdyn | hawking: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*wav |
| 17:36.23 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer: ? |
| 17:36.26 | cahoot | triumph: installing woody? |
| 17:36.35 | bobbens | valdyn: no i redid the symlink, so /usr/bin/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
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| 17:36.45 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer: You're getting a black screen - just that? |
| 17:36.45 | Early | sdakota, construction pipeline test for "Video for linux" failed |
| 17:36.49 | Binary_Dreamer | sdakota,after an install of sarge all i got is a black screen. could someone help me to get into a command line? so i could edit x.please prefix |
| 17:37.12 | triumph | cahoot: nope, have a sarge install |
| 17:37.14 | hawking | valdyn : aplay : command not found |
| 17:37.22 | triumph | cahoot: what if i don't have /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 17:37.24 | Early | hawking, play |
| 17:37.26 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer: tell me exactly what happens from pushing the ON button of your computer to your black screen |
| 17:37.26 | valdyn | hawking: its in alsa-utils |
| 17:37.45 | triumph | cahoot: only have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 17:38.26 | hawking | valdyn : my alsa stuff is all corrupt cause I tryed to install those test packages |
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| 17:38.28 | bobbens | valdyn: what else could be the problem? its a 2.6.10 |
| 17:38.51 | cahoot | triumph: I suppose the advice is out of date - referring to woody and earlier |
| 17:38.53 | Quibus | Simple question: should all packages from the i386 architecture work on all x68 platforms? I'm asking this because some package just crash on a Via Epia with Samuel 2 CPU, which doesn't have the 'cmov' thing. |
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| 17:39.06 | triumph | cahoot: the full error message is at : http://pastebin.com/462486 |
| 17:39.08 | Binary_Dreamer | sdakota, yep. just a black screen |
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| 17:39.28 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer: your computer is off. you press the ON button and get a black screen right away? :/ |
| 17:39.43 | sdakota | binary_dreamer: your monitor cable isn't connected correctly. |
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| 17:40.07 | Binary_Dreamer | sdakota,after power on the pc, the grub comes with choice of linux or windows..... |
| 17:40.08 | sdakota | Early: Euhh |
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| 17:40.18 | Early | sdakota, yes ? |
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| 17:40.33 | sdakota | Early: tail /var/log/syslog | grep mkfifo |
| 17:40.36 | Early | sdakota, alsa-conf give me error |
| 17:40.38 | sdakota | Early: try that |
| 17:40.48 | triumph | Binary_Dreamer: it probably loads everything until you start x at your default run level |
| 17:40.55 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer: ok, well |
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| 17:41.03 | Binary_Dreamer | sdakota,then i choose linux and iit loads correctly up to the point of loading the x-server. then it gets black screen |
| 17:41.09 | cahoot | triumph: I really have no clue how that is sorted in sarge and later |
| 17:41.13 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer: boot your computer using a LiveCD, then mount the hard disk that your /etc is on |
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| 17:41.18 | mr50 | vincent`: I'll let you know how the solutions with adding two lines to /etc/yaird/Default.cfg works after I reboot |
| 17:41.23 | triumph | cahoot: ok, thanks for the help |
| 17:41.32 | Early | sdakota, nothing |
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| 17:41.41 | triumph | cahoot: think any harm could be done if i remove the file? |
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| 17:41.46 | hawking | valdyn : no sound :/ |
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| 17:41.48 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer, then open the file inittab which is in /(etc/)inittab on that hard drive |
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| 17:42.01 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 17:42.09 | hawking | valdyn : but now alsaconf finds hda-intel sound card |
| 17:42.17 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer, the 5th line is probably id:?:initdefault:, where ? is a number |
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| 17:42.25 | penguin_ | ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO GET HELP FILES IN OPENOFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:42.25 | solemnwarning | if i want to create a .deb and then put it on apt how should it be done? |
| 17:42.29 | cahoot | triumph: found this googling: Create a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80MMap and put this into it |
| 17:42.29 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:42.39 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer, change that to id:2:initdefault:, that way your system boots to the console and not to X. |
| 17:42.41 | triumph | cahoot: lol, thanks |
| 17:42.47 | azeem | penguin_: do not shout/write all_caps, please |
| 17:42.48 | sdakota | penguin_, don't scream, ask in #openoffice |
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| 17:43.09 | chealer | solemnwarning: what do you mean by "put it on apt" |
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| 17:43.15 | sdakota | Early, ok ehm, execute the command that gave the error, then tail /var/log/syslog and put that on a pastebin |
| 17:43.16 | valdyn | hawking: turn up your volume, unmute your sound |
| 17:43.31 | solemnwarning | get it on the apt repo |
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| 17:43.40 | solemnwarning | i want to create a package of the game cube |
| 17:43.44 | solemnwarning | since its not on apt atm |
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| 17:44.05 | sdakota | solemnwarning, you want to upload a package to the apt repository? |
| 17:44.17 | sdakota | solemnwarning, a package of the game cube? :/ |
| 17:44.24 | solemnwarning | yes |
| 17:44.29 | solemnwarning | its an fps |
| 17:44.33 | solemnwarning | i little bit like ut |
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| 17:44.34 | triumph | cahoot: thanks, works now :) |
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| 17:44.37 | sdakota | solemnwarning, what kind of package of the game cube? |
| 17:44.38 | solemnwarning | except its free |
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| 17:44.40 | solemnwarning | and oss |
| 17:44.41 | Early | sdakota, my command dont write nothing on syslog |
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| 17:44.51 | cahoot | triumph: nice |
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| 17:45.01 | bas | is there some standard unix command to print a list of words nicely in a column (like ls does)? |
| 17:45.03 | sdakota | Early: that's odd - does the command have a --verbose tag? try man command or command --help |
| 17:45.22 | triumph | cahoot: could perhaps send the sarge 'update' to the maintainers of dpkg |
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| 17:45.41 | triumph | cahoot: or whoever controls the dpkg bot on this channel |
| 17:45.51 | cahoot | triumph: users on #debian |
| 17:46.07 | triumph | cahoot: yea, but how do you add something to the bot? |
| 17:46.08 | Binary_Dreamer | sdakota,thanx. i will c u in 10 minutes. i have to reboot, to check out |
| 17:46.17 | sdakota | Binary_Dreamer: ok |
| 17:46.29 | solemnwarning | how can i make a .deb and who do i need to talk to for putting it on apt? |
| 17:46.37 | smacnay | for the debian 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel image, are the corresponding kernel headers 2.6.8? |
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| 17:46.45 | bookmark | hello :D |
| 17:46.46 | Early | sdakota, (gstreamer-properties:7516): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: v4l |
| 17:47.00 | bookmark | :( |
| 17:47.02 | azeem | solemnwarning: "on apt"? |
| 17:47.04 | sdakota | solemnwarning: a first person shooter for the gamecube? |
| 17:47.07 | solemnwarning | the apt repo |
| 17:47.08 | solemnwarning | no |
| 17:47.11 | cahoot | triumph: I've seen it done a couple of 100 times - never bothered to memorize the steps |
| 17:47.12 | azeem | solemnwarning: which one? |
| 17:47.12 | solemnwarning | its x86 |
| 17:47.15 | solemnwarning | its called cube |
| 17:47.18 | sdakota | azeem: he wants to upload to the aptitude repository |
| 17:47.20 | bookmark | whare the chances that alien can corrupt the conents of a rpm that it converts? |
| 17:47.28 | bookmark | an rpm |
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| 17:47.30 | sdakota | solemnwarning, you made a game called cube for the pc? heh |
| 17:47.34 | solemnwarning | no |
| 17:47.52 | Early | sdakota, v4l-conf |
| 17:47.52 | Early | v4l-conf: using X11 display :0.0 |
| 17:47.52 | Early | dga: version 2.0 |
| 17:47.52 | Early | mode: 1024x768, depth=16, bpp=16, bpl=2048, base=0x90000000 |
| 17:47.52 | Early | /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_QUERYCAP: Unknown error 515 |
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| 17:47.56 | solemnwarning | im just wondering if i can make a .deb and put it on the apt repos |
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| 17:48.10 | azeem | solemnwarning: you can make a .deb and put it on your apt repo |
| 17:48.12 | Early | oups |
| 17:48.15 | Early | ... |
| 17:48.15 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 17:48.17 | sdakota | solemnwarning, you can - euh.. |
| 17:48.20 | azeem | solemnwarning: provided you have some webspace |
| 17:48.22 | solemnwarning | how do i make a .deb? |
| 17:48.25 | sdakota | Early: the bot doesn't want you to |
| 17:48.27 | solemnwarning | yeah i got some webspace |
| 17:48.34 | Early | sdakota, yes i see this :p |
| 17:48.39 | azeem | solemnwarning: that's an art which takes more than a few sentences to explain/learn |
| 17:48.42 | Tux_Paranoid | Hi, I'm coming from #Debian-uy, which is the Debian Users Group from Uruguay. We want to be the official vendors here, who do I have to talk with? |
| 17:48.44 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 17:48.51 | azeem | solemnwarning: read the New Maintainer's Guide at www.debian.org/devel |
| 17:48.53 | solemnwarning | is there a guide to making a .deb\apt repo? |
| 17:48.54 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 17:48.58 | sdakota | Early: ok, euhh, cannot open display |
| 17:49.04 | Early | sdakota, my alsa conf give me an error /dev/video0 [v4l]: no overlay support |
| 17:49.06 | bookmark | you'd probably want an independent root file system to play with to make debs |
| 17:49.08 | sdakota | early, please paste the output of the command to a pastebin next time ;) |
| 17:49.16 | Early | sdakota, /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_QUERYCAP: Unknown error 515 |
| 17:49.16 | triumph | cahoot: lol, ok |
| 17:49.17 | sdakota | early: this way I also can't look at it |
| 17:49.21 | Early | yes |
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| 17:49.23 | Early | excuse |
| 17:49.51 | valdyn | Early: oh, your app might support grabbing the display instead of overlay |
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| 17:50.01 | sdakota | Tux_Paranoid, the official vendors for debian in Uruguay? |
| 17:50.14 | Tux_Paranoid | sdakota: Yes |
| 17:50.21 | Early | and valdyn what i must do ? |
| 17:50.27 | hawking | valdyn : I can't turn the sound on from the top-right corner of gnome screen |
| 17:50.42 | valdyn | hawking: try alsamixer |
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| 17:51.14 | sdakota | valdyn: could I PM you for a sec? |
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| 17:51.23 | valdyn | hawking: or gnome-volume-control |
| 17:51.27 | valdyn | sdakota: why? |
| 17:51.43 | sdakota | valdyn: i'll explain |
| 17:51.49 | valdyn | sdakota: ok.. |
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| 17:52.30 | hawking | valdyn : in both of them all sounds are on |
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| 17:52.54 | valdyn | hawking: and unmuted? |
| 17:52.58 | hawking | valdyn : yes |
| 17:53.06 | bleaked | could someone give me some brief insight into what the libvisual0.2-plugins package will do for my system? |
| 17:53.16 | hawking | valdyn : btw I removed alsa 1.0.10 and installed 1.0.8 from repos |
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| 17:53.32 | hawking | valdyn : but it didn't work before anyway |
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| 17:53.50 | mr50 | vincent`: it works, but makes a slow kernel as it does not load the mb specific ide modules |
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| 17:54.54 | Early | sdakota, you are still here ? |
| 17:55.03 | valdyn | hawking: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 17:55.13 | sdakota | Early: yea, I am - but was looking at something else |
| 17:55.15 | mr50 | vincent`: I guess I need to add more modules to that file :) |
| 17:55.23 | Early | ok |
| 17:55.24 | Early | :p |
| 17:55.34 | hawking | valdyn : yes |
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| 17:55.54 | sdakota | Early: I'd advice you to copy and paste the error into Google, then remove all information that changes over systems (for example, IP's or PID's, etc) |
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| 17:56.06 | valdyn | hawking: 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' should give sound independent of your installed alsa packages |
| 17:56.11 | aardvarx | I have been working on installing debian via the debootstrap utility. However, during the extraction phase, there is an abrupt exit due to mount issues. For instance, "umount: /chroot/dev/pts: not mounted" is one of three messages that are dumped to the terminal. Has anyone else here ever seen anything of the sort? |
| 17:56.16 | Early | sdakota, i have do this many times before came here |
| 17:56.16 | Early | ! |
| 17:56.22 | ellobo | hi |
| 17:56.43 | ellobo | is there any significant change in the kernel-package method to compile kernel ? |
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| 17:57.04 | azeem | ellobo: since when and which version of Debian? |
| 17:57.06 | sdakota | Early: Sorry -- I never did things with webcams nor video... try to check if other tools give other errors and search those on Google - I really can't help you any more then this, this is out of my range... :( |
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| 17:57.17 | ellobo | make-kpkg clean takes no effect :( and make-kpkg --reviosion ... complaints about version mismatch |
| 17:57.25 | ellobo | azeem: since last month :) |
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| 17:57.35 | ellobo | azeem: using unstable here |
| 17:57.39 | aardvarx | At first, I thought 'sid' might be the only one with that problem. However, I have also discovered that 'sarge' has the same issue as well. |
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| 17:57.53 | azeem | there's been a rather major new version of kernel-package, yes |
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| 17:58.03 | Early | sdakota, ok thx for u'r help .. but in u r contact have u someone who can help me ? |
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| 17:58.04 | ellobo | humm |
| 17:58.08 | azeem | dunno if it those are regressions or intended behaviour, though |
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| 18:00.47 | eeyore- | Early: what's the problem? rephrase in one or two sentences |
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| 18:01.20 | seeds | how do i set permissions on the hard drive? |
| 18:01.28 | mr50 | anyone know which module is used to support the nforce2 ide controlers? |
| 18:01.49 | eeyore- | seeds: you set permissions on per-file basis more or less, not on a per-entire-harddrive basis, unless you're talking about the raw devices |
| 18:01.51 | Early | eeyore-, my webcam don 't work, i have error on v4l-conf, on gstreamer-properties modprobe is ok but don't work on amsn or gnomemeeting i have kernel 2.6.12 |
| 18:01.52 | ellobo | anyone using kernel-package was able to "make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision a_different_version_than_the_last kernel_image" ? |
| 18:01.53 | SlayerXP | mr50: yes. |
| 18:02.07 | abeco | hello, I have updated my testing about 3 weeks ago and I have lost the sound card. Any idea of what happened?. 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 18:02.12 | eeyore- | Early: you mentioned overlay. which video card and driver combination? |
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| 18:02.39 | mr50 | SlayerXP: it's not the sata_nv module is it? |
| 18:02.42 | eeyore- | abeco: isn't that the i810 module? |
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| 18:03.01 | Early | eeyore-, i don't now , i don't see my video card because work.. where i can find this informations? |
| 18:03.02 | SlayerXP | mr50: no idea. I was just answering your question. |
| 18:03.12 | eeyore- | Early: you don't know what you bought? |
| 18:03.18 | bobbens | when they refer to xorg sdk (build environment) what package do i need? |
| 18:03.19 | seeds | ok |
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| 18:03.29 | hawking | valdyn : sorry disconnected |
| 18:03.38 | Ranpha_away | can somebdoy help me with a ati x300 with the ati linux drivers? Xfree86 won't start anymore |
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| 18:03.41 | abeco | eeyore- I have loaded: i810_audio ac97_codec soundcore |
| 18:03.54 | Early | eeyore-, josiane 7446 0.0 0.3 3032 828 pts/0 S+ 19:26 0:00 grep esd |
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| 18:03.55 | Early | josiane@debianma:~$ gs |
| 18:03.55 | Early | gs gsf-office-thumbnailer gsnd gswitchit-plugins-capplet |
| 18:03.55 | Early | gsbj gs-gpl gst-compprep-0.8 |
| 18:03.55 | Early | gsdj gslj gstreamer-properties |
| 18:03.55 | Early | gsdj500 gslp gst-register-0.8 |
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| 18:04.13 | hawking | valdyn : any ideas? |
| 18:04.13 | Early | 0000:00:08.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) |
| 18:04.15 | Early | 0000:00:0b.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): NEC Corporation IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 01) |
| 18:04.16 | sdakota | Early, :/ |
| 18:04.17 | Early | 0000:00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8231 [PCI-to-ISA Bridge] (rev 10) |
| 18:04.19 | Early | 0000:00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 18:04.20 | sdakota | Early: Pastebin! |
| 18:04.22 | Early | 0000:00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1e) |
| 18:04.24 | Early | 0000:00:11.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1e) |
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| 18:04.26 | Early | 0000:00:11.4 Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ACPI (rev 10) |
| 18:04.26 | sdakota | !tell early about pastebin |
| 18:04.28 | Early | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 40) |
| 18:04.30 | Early | 0000:00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 20) |
| 18:04.30 | sdakota | !tell early about paster |
| 18:04.32 | Early | 0000:00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 51) |
| 18:04.33 | sdakota | Early, STOP IT! |
| 18:04.34 | Early | excuse me ... |
| 18:04.36 | Early | bad manipulation |
| 18:04.40 | Early | ^ ^ |
| 18:04.50 | Early | EXCUSEEEEEEE bad manipulation :( |
| 18:05.11 | Ranpha_away | can somebdoy help me with a ati x300 with the ati linux drivers? Xfree86 won't start anymore |
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| 18:05.17 | bookmark | hi |
| 18:05.30 | eeyore- | Early: when all else fails, you can use your eyeballs to look inside the computer case to see what kind of video card you have :-) |
| 18:06.03 | Early | eeyore-, S3 Inc. VT8636A [ProSavage KN133] AGP4X VGA Controller (TwisterK) |
| 18:06.06 | hawking | valdyn : I guess there is no way to solve this problem... thanks for all your help ... I go now... I'll just reove debian |
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| 18:07.12 | abeco | eeyore- I have loaded: i810_audio ac97_codec soundcore but still not work. What Can I do to know what is going on? |
| 18:07.19 | aredhel | Ranpha_away, read http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 18:07.19 | eeyore- | Early: that's one particularly ancient video controller ... |
| 18:07.23 | nixxie | how can i fetch experimental packages, namely xserver-xorg? i tried to apt-get -b -t experimental xserver-xorg but that gives me 6.8.2. deb-src line is unstable |
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| 18:07.33 | eeyore- | Early: are you using xorg and unichrome to drive it? |
| 18:07.35 | Early | yes eeyore- it 's for this reason i don't now the card |
| 18:07.45 | Early | i m using xorg |
| 18:07.50 | eeyore- | Early: unichrome? |
| 18:07.58 | vincent` | nixxie: do you have a unstable or testing line in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:08.00 | cheal | nixxie: you need an experimental source |
| 18:08.02 | Early | eeyore-, i don t do anything it be isntall on start |
| 18:08.56 | vincent` | nixxie: xorg is in unstable i believe |
| 18:08.56 | ellobo | hummm... |
| 18:09.00 | nixxie | cheal: gotcha. s/unstable/experimental/g? |
| 18:09.18 | eeyore- | Early: you have two choices ... to get video overlay working, you can try unichrome project (it's very disorganized and there are like a million places you need to read up on it), or, you can give up and not use video overlay. performance will suffer a little, but it *should* work. if you go the latter route, try to tell your v4l/application not to use hardware overlay. that's up to the application, i would think. |
| 18:09.26 | cheal | nixxie: I guess |
| 18:09.32 | nixxie | sweet, thanks |
| 18:09.34 | eeyore- | abeco: you can use "alsamixer" to look at basic settings |
| 18:09.40 | ellobo | it seems that the kernel-package is broken, "make-kpkg clean" is not woking as it should :P |
| 18:10.06 | bobbens | is there any xorg sdk package for debian? |
| 18:10.24 | eeyore- | Early: for unichrome project, look it up on sourceforge |
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| 18:11.11 | Early | eeyore-, how i can use appliation overlay ? |
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| 18:11.55 | jair | it is a channel for the thunderbird email guys? |
| 18:11.59 | moicabr | hola |
| 18:12.15 | jair | moicabr, are you from Brazil? |
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| 18:12.30 | moicabr | yo spain |
| 18:12.45 | bookmark | what are the chances that alien can corrupt the conents of a rpm that it converts? |
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| 18:13.07 | bookmark | i mean its just a packager like winrar or something isn't it? |
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| 18:13.16 | ejofee | "shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel" |
| 18:13.19 | ejofee | please help me |
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| 18:13.40 | bookmark | repackages rpm to deb |
| 18:13.43 | bookmark | no? |
| 18:13.44 | juri_ | apt-move "Unknown error: domove: 1.". failing to move. wheee. ;) |
| 18:13.45 | Azar | the man does not show me how to view all processes in "top" that do not fit the screen .. is there a way to view all on one screen? or scroll down? |
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| 18:13.48 | vincent` | ejofee: you need to install the shfs kernel module and install it |
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| 18:14.02 | bookmark | why don't they just give debian rpm support? |
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| 18:14.13 | ejofee | vincent`: please tell me, which package is that? |
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| 18:14.33 | Ronin | bookmark: what on earth for? |
| 18:14.35 | bookmark | cuz rpm is lame i remember |
| 18:14.57 | bookmark | for convention's sake |
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| 18:15.03 | Azar | there is no sense on debian to use rpm |
| 18:15.04 | douglas | anybody have experience with the asus a7v8x motherboard and its embedded sound? |
| 18:15.22 | bookmark | yeah and there's really no sense in using debian lol |
| 18:15.22 | ejofee | vincent`: lufs-source? |
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| 18:15.38 | juri_ | anyone here familiar with apt-move, and creating temporary mirrors using it? ;) |
| 18:15.48 | vincent` | ejofee: oh god, it relies on lufs? i've never had luck with that |
| 18:15.49 | eeyore- | Early: you *don't* use "application overlay" (there's no such thing). you just tell the application not to use X video overlay feature. |
| 18:15.50 | vincent` | sounds right tho |
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| 18:15.58 | juri_ | my error above is indexed only on four foreign sites, so i'm pretty up a creek. ;) |
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| 18:16.46 | abeco | eeyore- thank you, very much, the problem is solved |
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| 18:17.07 | Early | eeyore-, i have seen on unichrome the v4lpatch.tar.bz2 do u think that can help me ? |
| 18:17.08 | vincent` | juri_: what are you trying to do ? |
| 18:17.22 | ejofee | vincent`: well, i am not sure it relies on lufs |
| 18:17.24 | juri_ | vincent: spin a FAI cd, which is a mini-install cd setup. |
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| 18:17.48 | juri_ | actually, i think i'm finding the problem. it appears to be a localization issue reguarding findutils. |
| 18:18.04 | vincent` | ejofee: i think you want to install shfs-source and compile the module |
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| 18:18.15 | vincent` | juri_: never tried hrm |
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| 18:18.39 | eeyore- | Early: honestly, the prosavage is not exactly a "performance" chip. i wouldn't spend the effort on unichrome. |
| 18:19.11 | ejofee | vincent`: ok, i installed shfs-source, but how do i compile the module? |
| 18:19.14 | eeyore- | Early: the later versions (on later EPIA boards, for example) are worth the effort, but not the KN133 |
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| 18:19.29 | eeyore- | Early: you've got one of those small form-factor boxes or something? |
| 18:19.41 | vincent` | ejofee: check /usr/share/doc/shfs for instructions, never tried |
| 18:19.48 | juri_ | wow. errors on top of errors... |
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| 18:20.21 | Early | eeyore-, it's a portable |
| 18:20.32 | Ranpha_away | My x server is screwed up how can i fix this...i was trying to install ati linux drivers but went wrong can i switch back to vese? |
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| 18:21.42 | slak- | hi |
| 18:21.51 | slak- | what mail software comes with debian by defaultr? |
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| 18:21.56 | slak- | the one that the installer asks you to config |
| 18:21.57 | slak- | i forgot |
| 18:22.08 | resiak | exim4 |
| 18:22.14 | slak- | and how do i reconfigure it using the deb menus |
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| 18:22.39 | resiak | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:22.39 | vincent` | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:22.51 | resiak | Hah, !drec exists |
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| 18:23.19 | slak- | okay what i need is to have all mail generated from my box use my other smtp server |
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| 18:23.25 | slak- | which exim template is that |
| 18:23.34 | slak- | in dpkg-reconfig exim4-config |
| 18:23.36 | resiak | Can you not read the screen? |
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| 18:23.47 | resiak | You want your mail sent via another smarthost |
| 18:24.00 | magik | whats is the name of java server |
| 18:24.04 | resiak | slak-: Sorry, I'm being overly harsh. |
| 18:24.06 | slak- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.07 | slak- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.12 | slak- | theres two options resiak |
| 18:24.14 | slak- | and thats okj |
| 18:24.18 | magik | Does someone know? |
| 18:24.20 | slak- | im missing a brain today |
| 18:24.25 | slak- | java server? |
| 18:24.27 | slak- | what do you mean |
| 18:24.29 | resiak | slak-: Yes; either one of those. I've generally gone with the former. |
| 18:24.31 | magik | irc |
| 18:24.31 | mla | Hello, I have a problem with linux-image 2.6.14-5 and udev 0.076-6 (sid package). At boot, hard drive isn't found : /sys/block/hda/dev seems to be down ? Any idea, the previous version of kernel 2.6.14 works |
| 18:24.36 | vincent` | weird why don't i have any /dev/mdX devices |
| 18:24.47 | vincent` | mla: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343048 |
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| 18:24.56 | vincent` | about half way down look for mkinitramfs |
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| 18:25.09 | mla | vincent`, thanks |
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| 18:25.14 | vincent` | np |
| 18:25.31 | magik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.34 | magik | plaese help! |
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| 18:25.47 | resiak | magik: What's "java server"? |
| 18:25.49 | smacnay | Anyone here have a recommendation on the best method of using the nvidia video driver with a 2.6.x kernel? Using the debian install scripts for nvidia driver use the 7174 driver that only works with kernels up to 2.6.8. For newer kernels, the more recent nvidia driver (found in "experimental") are needed. |
| 18:25.54 | resiak | !tell magik -about java |
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| 18:25.56 | magik | irc server java |
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| 18:26.17 | alasarr | buena |
| 18:26.24 | magik | this server irc.debian.orb |
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| 18:26.26 | magik | an java? |
| 18:26.31 | Ranpha_away | My x server is screwed up how can i fix this...i was trying to install ati linux drivers but went wrong can i switch back to vese? |
| 18:26.33 | vincent` | weird i have no /dev/mdX devices on this machine so i can't setup anything with mdadm |
| 18:26.43 | eeyore- | smacnay: i used to have 7174 working with 2.6.14 without the crashes i had earlier ... |
| 18:26.46 | sdakota | !tell alasarr about es |
| 18:26.52 | vincent` | Ranpha_away: look at your xfree86 or xorg configuration file |
| 18:26.55 | alasarr | alguien que sea configurar el headphone para tarjetas intel hd |
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| 18:27.07 | smacnay | eeyore-: how did you do it? |
| 18:27.10 | eeyore- | smacnay: i'd say go for it (7174 + recent kernels) --- it's a toss-us anyway. i had some problems with versions that other people didn't have, and vice versa. |
| 18:27.14 | magik | nobody know? |
| 18:27.17 | sdakota | alasarr: look at what dpkg told you |
| 18:27.23 | eeyore- | smacnay: well, this is on gentoo, but so what? :-) |
| 18:27.28 | sdakota | !tell me about nl |
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| 18:27.34 | smacnay | eeyore-: the nvidia driver scripts installed the driver but X would never load. |
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| 18:27.39 | sdakota | !tell me about du |
| 18:27.40 | smacnay | eeyore-: :) |
| 18:27.41 | slak- | resiak do you have /etc/exim4? |
| 18:27.45 | slak- | im missing that dir |
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| 18:27.56 | resiak | What version of Debian are you using? |
| 18:28.06 | eeyore- | smacnay: the problem i used to have wasn't with kernel per-se, it was with nvidia driver locking up randomly (mouse moves, but driver no longer processes X events, so no additional drawings take place, load is low) |
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| 18:28.10 | magik | people please |
| 18:28.14 | slak- | resiak sarge stable |
| 18:28.28 | smacnay | eeyore-: I am currently using the debian 2.4.27-2-k7 kernel image that I can have my sym53c8xx scsi driver working. It is broken in 2.6.8 |
| 18:28.29 | eeyore- | smacnay: why would X not load? /var/log/XFree* |
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| 18:29.00 | smacnay | eeyore-: There was apparently a glitch with the newer kernels and the nvidia driver. I am not sure what it was. |
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| 18:29.18 | resiak | slak-: Bizarre. Did you replace exim4 with some other MTA? |
| 18:29.24 | slak- | no |
| 18:29.30 | mcmanus | Anyone know how to "properly" upgrade the default 2.6-386 kernel to the 686 one? (or know the /msg dpkg parameter for it?) |
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| 18:29.37 | slak- | and why doesnt dpkg-reconfig regenrate the config dir? |
| 18:29.43 | stew | slak-: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 18:30.08 | resiak | mcmanus: apt-get install the one you want, then reboot into it |
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| 18:30.17 | smacnay | eeyore-: I just tried installing the 2.6.14 debian kernel but obviously didn't have some packages that are needed to create the initrd image... :-) |
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| 18:30.22 | stew | slak-: dpkg-reocnfigure won't write over customzied conf files, and removing is considered a customization |
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| 18:30.23 | slak- | steve mcmanus? |
| 18:30.29 | vincent` | smacnay: |
| 18:30.31 | mcmanus | resiak: I don't need headers or anything? |
| 18:30.35 | vincent` | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343048 |
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| 18:30.49 | mcmanus | slak- nope |
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| 18:30.56 | resiak | mcmanus: If you want them, install those too. |
| 18:31.45 | mcmanus | resiak: all I need then is kernel-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 18:32.08 | resiak | mcmanus: And kernel-headers-2.6-686 if you need the headers. |
| 18:32.16 | mcmanus | resiak: thank you |
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| 18:32.23 | resiak | mcmanus: No problem. |
| 18:32.27 | magik | please helm my |
| 18:32.45 | magik | how name is java server |
| 18:32.49 | resiak | magik: We really don't know what you're looking for. |
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| 18:32.59 | resiak | magik: /msg dpkg java might help you. |
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| 18:33.00 | magik | irc.debian.org |
| 18:33.05 | resiak | !pl |
| 18:33.06 | dpkg | methinks pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 18:33.06 | magik | java this..... ? |
| 18:33.17 | magik | name server irc-java |
| 18:33.22 | magik | you know |
| 18:33.29 | azeem | magik: no, we do not know |
| 18:33.36 | resiak | If we knew, we would have answered. |
| 18:33.47 | magik | you know :) |
| 18:33.54 | magik | anybody know??? |
| 18:33.56 | azeem | magik: ask in #debian.pl |
| 18:34.07 | smacnay | vincent`: My install never even worked. |
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| 18:34.16 | magik | this server is always empty :( |
| 18:34.27 | smacnay | vincent`: I never even got to try to reboot. |
| 18:34.41 | vincent` | oh hrm |
| 18:34.46 | vincent` | can you boot that machine with knoppix ? |
| 18:34.52 | magik | wy are only my helpfull freund |
| 18:34.55 | magik | we |
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| 18:35.11 | magik | nodody know? |
| 18:35.13 | azeem | magik: no |
| 18:35.15 | magik | this impoosible |
| 18:35.25 | mr50 | vincent`: thanks for that link, I got it going with the right module |
| 18:35.31 | magik | azeem; I'm pleased |
| 18:35.35 | magik | i try |
| 18:35.37 | magik | ok? |
| 18:35.39 | eeyore- | smacnay: all i can tell you is that i don't have problem with gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r4 + nvidia 8xxx-ish driver :-) on my laptop's GoGL chip |
| 18:35.56 | magik | so? i cry:( |
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| 18:36.40 | vincent` | mr50: word |
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| 18:37.11 | smacnay | eeyore-: I am still using the 7174 nvidia driver as it is the "latest" in the Debian "testing" repository. |
| 18:37.17 | netman1 | Hi All. Is there a command line mail client on debian that doesn't need a locally running sendmail/exim/postfix but can send directly to a foreign system (preferably to standard port 25/smtp)? |
| 18:37.27 | karsten | Any suggestions on mounting a partitioned image file with LVM partitions in it? |
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| 18:37.34 | douglas | i'm trying to get kde installed but apt gives me a bizarre error. I first tried after a fresh debian installation... http://pastebin.com/462570 |
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| 18:37.36 | xxxpixie | hi. my logs have grown too big - is there some debian-specific way to limit their sizes or should i just do echo >/var/log/x.log ? |
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| 18:37.50 | karsten | netman1: netcat ;-) |
| 18:37.51 | azeem | xxxpixie: logrotate should run every once in a while |
| 18:37.57 | azeem | xxxpixie: do you have anacron installed? |
| 18:38.05 | netman1 | karsten: please... ;-) |
| 18:38.09 | xxxpixie | nope |
| 18:38.16 | xxxpixie | what's logrotate? |
| 18:38.16 | azeem | try to install that |
| 18:38.24 | Ranpha_away | Can somebdoy help my try and install the ATI linux drivers and configuring the X server? |
| 18:38.31 | resiak | douglas: KDE is a bit buggered because of the ABI transition. Try just installing the bits of KDE you need. |
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| 18:38.39 | azeem | xxxpixie: it rotates and compresses your logs, so that they don't grow too much |
| 18:38.42 | Quibus | Trying again: |
| 18:38.44 | Quibus | Simple question: should all packages from the i386 architecture work on all x68 platforms? I'm asking this because some package just crash on a Via Epia with Samuel 2 CPU, which doesn't have the 'cmov' thing. |
| 18:38.44 | douglas | ok |
| 18:38.47 | xxxpixie | azeem: oh.. found it - thanks |
| 18:38.47 | chealer | douglas: which release? |
| 18:38.47 | xxxpixie | bye |
| 18:38.59 | douglas | testing |
| 18:38.59 | resiak | douglas: (JUst about all C++ packages need to be rebuilt, and they haven't all happened yet. Large chunks of KDE were removed from Testing as a result.) |
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| 18:39.06 | chealer | douglas: see #debian-kde |
| 18:39.09 | azeem | Quibus: that's a bug I'd say |
| 18:39.09 | karsten | netman1: not AFAIK. Thunderbird and several graphical clients can do that. You could certainly code something up, most likely in Perl / Python. |
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| 18:39.17 | smacnay | eeyore-: do you get your nvidia drivers right from nvidia.com? |
| 18:39.18 | douglas | So if i wait and keep apt-getting for another few weeks it'll eventually work? :) |
| 18:39.21 | raden | is there a command to free memory ? |
| 18:39.24 | douglas | ok |
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| 18:39.27 | chealer | resiak: not really |
| 18:39.31 | azeem | Quibus: if you run unstable, see if a bug has been filed already, and otherwise report it |
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| 18:39.37 | karsten | netman1: ... there's a few *really* lightweight SMTP servers. Why, incidentally, don't you want to install one? |
| 18:39.38 | resiak | chealer: Close enough. :) |
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| 18:39.56 | netman1 | karsten : you mentioning netcat, makes me think about telnet ... |
| 18:40.00 | douglas | karsten: which smtpd would you advise |
| 18:40.07 | douglas | a "light" one |
| 18:40.09 | chealer | resiak: bah, only a couple of useful packages |
| 18:40.19 | resiak | chealer: *shrug* |
| 18:40.26 | netman1 | karsten: debian-installer netboot, needs to send out it's public key's |
| 18:40.36 | Quibus | azeem: that's what I thought as well |
| 18:40.38 | eeyore- | smacnay: no, it's part of gentoo's portage :-) |
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| 18:42.26 | smacnay | ah, I might try the vanilla 2.6.14 kernel from kernel.org and install the nvidia driver from nvidia. I can only assume that the nvidia package installs a driver right into the /lib/modules area... |
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| 18:42.44 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 18:42.57 | Quibus | cu later |
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| 18:45.23 | Ranpha_away | Does debian support PCI express???? i can't use my ATI x300 only vesa works... |
| 18:45.31 | mla | thanks vincent` it was bug #343048 |
| 18:45.41 | mla | the patch in bug report works |
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| 18:45.56 | karsten | netman1: IIRC ssmtp |
| 18:46.21 | karsten | netman1: I just set up exim. And for PGP/GPG key distribution, you just need gnupg, it sends directly to keyservers. |
| 18:46.21 | netman1 | karsten : thanks. |
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| 18:46.41 | karsten | netman1: ... and if it's just a single message, netcat really *is* feasible. |
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| 18:47.32 | netman1 | karsten: Yeah, I know, and so is telnet. Thanks for helping me for some idea's |
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| 18:48.13 | karsten | netman1: You can pipe into netcat, meaning you can make your mistakes when you're _not_ live to :25. |
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| 18:49.03 | poonj | hey guys |
| 18:49.08 | netman1 | karsten: yes, I remember testing 2500+ mailboxes once for mistakes on usernames that way. |
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| 18:49.23 | poonj | I selected an incorrect option for ssh...but when I do dpkg-reconfigure ssh, nothing shows up! |
| 18:49.23 | netman1 | karsten: Those where the days . . . ;-) |
| 18:49.30 | J_P | hey anyone know what is error : http://200.146.37.219:8080/ ? |
| 18:49.35 | poonj | what do I need to do to get the debconf menu to show up again? |
| 18:49.46 | J_P | sorry, error question |
| 18:49.47 | zOap | anyone knows what's the difference between mrxvt and mrxvt-mini? And how do you copy paste text in xterm/mrxvt? |
| 18:49.52 | karsten | netman1: Heh. |
| 18:49.57 | edo | ci sono italiani ? |
| 18:50.03 | bobbens | is there a debian package for xorg sdk and if so what's it called? |
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| 18:50.18 | bobbens | !it |
| 18:50.18 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:50.33 | edo | tnk |
| 18:51.22 | sepski | poonj, not certain this helps, but try dpkg-reconfigure -p low ssh |
| 18:52.00 | kingsley | What's a good way to convert images from the png format to eps? I'm finding that the "convert" utility crops off their bottoms. |
| 18:52.12 | sepski | poonj, btw if your on post sarge you might to reconfigure openssh-server |
| 18:52.16 | sepski | instead of ssh |
| 18:52.33 | smacnay | does anyone know what kernel version introduced the buggy sym53c8xx driver? |
| 18:53.30 | fidel_ | hrhr, take a look at the gnome kde discussin forced by linus t. |
| 18:53.40 | bobbens | smacnay: dunno but works fine on 2.6.10 |
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| 18:54.21 | smacnay | bobbens: I am looking for pre-2.6.8 so I can "easily" use the nvidia driver supported in Debian "testing" |
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| 18:55.17 | Early | eeyore-, i don't success to install unichrome drivers for xorg |
| 18:55.28 | zoid | anyone happen to know Mark Weaver (creator of netris)? |
| 18:55.39 | vincent` | my god, has mkraid been depreciated ? how do i create a /dev/md0 to use with mdadm ? |
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| 18:57.03 | bobbens | smacnay: 2.4.27 worked also if that helps |
| 18:57.14 | seeds | how can install all dependencies for azureus with apt? |
| 18:57.41 | dli | seeds, apt-get -f install azureus |
| 18:57.52 | seeds | k |
| 18:58.05 | seeds | thnx |
| 18:58.08 | bobbens | vincent`: man mdadm |
| 18:58.25 | Thaiger | Is it possible to get Xine in testing? I noticed that packages.debian.org lists it has being in oldstable stable and unstable only, no testing. Is it possible to make it work in testing? |
| 18:58.44 | smacnay | bobbens: yes, I am running that kernel right now. I even ried applying the preempt patch to gain some of the benefits of 2.6.8 |
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| 18:59.46 | dli | Thaiger, you can use both stable and testing in sources.list |
| 19:00.01 | poonj | I have no idea whats going on with ssh |
| 19:00.03 | bobbens | smacnay: i didnt even know it was broken, but i've only used 2.4.27, 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 on my machine with that card |
| 19:00.10 | seeds | dli that didn't work |
| 19:00.11 | poonj | it keeps kicking me out of the server after 1 minute of use |
| 19:00.18 | poonj | is there something that I didn't configure correctly? |
| 19:00.34 | seeds | could nto find pacakage |
| 19:00.41 | stew | dli: NO do not recommend that people mix stable and testing! |
| 19:00.42 | Azar | I need to find a documentation about troubleshooting X server when its process hangs somewhere in the background.. |
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| 19:00.43 | smacnay | bobbens: it is broken in 2.6.8 for me when I use my scsi scanner. |
| 19:00.57 | stew | Thaiger: dont' listen to dli. he is giving horrible advice |
| 19:01.04 | dli | stew: okay, use totem instead of xine :) |
| 19:01.12 | smacnay | bobbens: does 2.6.8 have the sym53c8xx_2 driver? My 2.6.8 is now off the machine. |
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| 19:01.32 | bobbens | smacnay: mmm i've only used SCSI drives, no scanners, cdroms or that sort |
| 19:01.49 | Azar | so far only rebooting will fix the issue |
| 19:01.50 | bobbens | smacnay: i dont have 2.6.8 on any machine anymore |
| 19:02.12 | puff | Anybody know if/when/what apt server I can get apache in a more recent version than 2.1? |
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| 19:03.28 | iss | How do I configure xdm so I can use a different Window Manager? |
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| 19:03.43 | stew | iss: edit your ~/.xsession |
| 19:03.49 | Azar | puff the way I see it , apt will only offer you packages from repositories ment for your distro, everything upper will have to be get/installed from outside your distro and will require you manage dependencies issues |
| 19:03.50 | vincent` | iss: .xinitrc |
| 19:03.51 | smacnay | bobbens: the 2.4.27 kernels don't support ATAPI cd recording, so I absord a small loss. |
| 19:03.56 | douglas | hey. is there a way to get apt-get to install using a package's source and compiling i? |
| 19:04.07 | douglas | other than by installing gentoo |
| 19:04.09 | puff | Azar: Uhm, yeah. |
| 19:04.16 | stew | douglas: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 19:04.18 | ecliptik | does sarge's stock kernel (2.6.8) detect SSE3 on newer processors? |
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| 19:04.29 | eleftherios | hm, I just plugged a USB external drive. How do I access and format it? |
| 19:04.30 | douglas | ok stew |
| 19:04.32 | stew | douglas: the short answer is apt-get -b source pkgname |
| 19:04.41 | stew | eleftherios: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:04.45 | douglas | thanks |
| 19:04.48 | bobbens | smacnay: this is on my server so i dont need much besides my SCSI raid and ethernet card |
| 19:04.54 | puff | Hm. |
| 19:04.54 | eleftherios | stew, thank you |
| 19:05.01 | iss | stew, vincent: there's no .xsession and .xinitrc does not contain an entry that triggers my current wm, though it gets started when i log in... |
| 19:05.38 | vincent` | iss: you might also check your global xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 19:05.40 | Azar | puff it can be done, but it gonna get you some work in order to synchronize dependencies, apt has some tools for that, I never tried them tho |
| 19:05.42 | vincent` | in your home dir basically just do |
| 19:05.42 | smacnay | bobbens: thanks |
| 19:05.55 | puff | I wonder how hard it would be to write a custom "apt shell", that you could use to go through the process of making and installing a package from source, and it would create an apt entry for that process, so you could apt-get remove. |
| 19:05.55 | loxley_ | iss: you can create them self, and override them |
| 19:05.57 | vincent` | echo "exec /usr/bin/windowmanger" >> .xinitrc |
| 19:06.04 | stew | iss: /etc/X11/Xsession.d then? man xsession |
| 19:06.17 | puff | Azar: Yeah... sigh. |
| 19:06.20 | seeds | hello how can get all the dependencies of azureus with apt? |
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| 19:06.27 | douglas | stew: so apt-get -b source pkgname does the same as what the bot told me including the rules stuff? |
| 19:06.46 | puff | Azar: I really need to find time, some day, to learn how to make apt packages and maybe give back to debian a little. |
| 19:06.50 | Thaiger | stew: I didn't really feel like breaking my system this morning so thanks for the heads up, but I don't suppose you know how to get xine then? Or another good movie player, I really really don't like totem |
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| 19:07.36 | stew | douglas: apt-get -b source pkgname, downloads the source compiles it and installs it. it doens't give you a chance in there to change the source or configure options however |
| 19:07.54 | stew | Thaiger: you should be able to install xine from marillat /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 19:08.10 | douglas | gotchya |
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| 19:09.06 | Azar | puff maybe this would help? http://www.debian.org/Packages/unstable/admin/auto-apt.html |
| 19:09.15 | Thaiger | stew: Thanks |
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| 19:13.14 | Azar | puff or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
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| 19:13.30 | NichtMued | Hi guys. I have to setup a Debian server for our intranet. This server must provide name service. We have registered a domain. Our WWW server is externally hosted. The domain entry points to this external WWW server at the moment. My question: should our local domain name be the same as the registered domain name, or should I use another name? |
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| 19:14.31 | vincent` | NichtMued: i generally use a different name as to not confuse them |
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| 19:14.36 | vincent` | especially if it's internal only usage |
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| 19:14.39 | mr50 | NichtMued: I would use another domain name. Is simpler. |
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| 19:14.50 | NichtMued | vincent`, mr50: Thanks. |
| 19:14.52 | poonj | anyone here have any ideas? |
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| 19:15.09 | poonj | if I ssh from windows machines |
| 19:15.20 | poonj | I get network connection refused errors |
| 19:15.26 | mr50 | NichtMued: like a something.local or other non-resolvable domain |
| 19:15.31 | poonj | but its working for my linux workstation... |
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| 19:15.48 | NichtMued | And do you use a completely different name or just a subdomain name? E.g. if domain is abc.org, would it make sense to use local.abc.org? |
| 19:15.50 | bobbens | poonj: you accessing from intranet or internet? |
| 19:15.51 | NichtMued | mr50: I see |
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| 19:16.36 | ScOrPiOn | /server -m irc.icq.com |
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| 19:16.42 | puff | Azar: Looks interesting, but the last time I played games with switching between stable and unstable, the outcome was pretty miserasble :-) |
| 19:16.47 | mr50 | NichtMued: then you save all the work of trying to make the two dns servers talk to each other, that is if you can. most web host company dns servers don't support external subdomains |
| 19:16.50 | ScOrPiOn | sorry |
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| 19:17.36 | poonj | bobbens, intranet |
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| 19:18.01 | Azar | puff the keyword is : dependencies. Everytime you force a non-supported package, it will work ok but at some point you will start watching the system crumbling under your eyes. Dependencies have their way of making your life miserable |
| 19:18.02 | poonj | bobbens, its weird because the server itself can connect out, so I know its not a connectivity issue |
| 19:18.11 | bobbens | poonj: you sure you're accessing the proper ports and everything? |
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| 19:18.13 | puff | Azar: Yup. |
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| 19:18.32 | |felipe| | hey... Hello... I have a simple question... I wanna get inside of my windows folder through the Terminal but I don't know what to wirte... the folder is Program Files .. but when I write cd Program Files the Terminal says that this is a unexistent folder... so, what do I have to write???? |
| 19:18.34 | NichtMued | mr50: OK, for the sake of simplicity I'll use a completley different, unresolvable domain name. Thank you very much for your help. |
| 19:18.35 | bobbens | poonj: because i can access my debian sarge machine from anywhere, including putty on windows machines |
| 19:18.45 | Azar | puff, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port invites you to tackle this issue with patience , in time if you have any |
| 19:19.02 | poonj | bobbens, thats because your machine is working correctly ;) |
| 19:19.05 | mr50 | NichtMued: np |
| 19:19.11 | bobbens | poonj: you running sarge? |
| 19:19.21 | puff | Azar: yeah, I'm going to stall, since I don't have a clear and pressing need for 2.1 |
| 19:19.22 | Azar | puff I never have the time so for that reason I say withing the distro limits. |
| 19:19.33 | puff | Azar: me too. |
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| 19:19.54 | __filip_ | how can i eneble root login in debian? |
| 19:20.04 | stew | __filip_: what do you mean? |
| 19:20.09 | ecliptik | does sarge's stock kernel (2.6.8) detect the SSE3 flag on newer processors? |
| 19:20.15 | |felipe| | hey... Hello... I have a simple |
| 19:20.16 | Azar | root login over ssh? |
| 19:20.19 | |felipe| | nal but I don't know what to |
| 19:20.23 | __filip_ | i whant to login as root but i cant do that |
| 19:20.29 | vincent` | flip: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 19:20.36 | dimir | over desktop manager, I guess. |
| 19:20.44 | dimir | and Fedora. |
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| 19:21.01 | stew | __filip_: login to a terminal? or into X or what? |
| 19:21.06 | wdp | what packages i need for openssl? |
| 19:21.12 | stew | __filip_: log in to gnome? |
| 19:21.16 | wdp | installed openssl but a script isn't finding it |
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| 19:21.23 | __filip_ | stew: into gnome |
| 19:21.33 | wdp | installed libssl-dev too |
| 19:21.38 | loxley_ | |felipe|: cd Program\ Files |
| 19:21.39 | stew | __filip_: you have to log in as user then run gdmsetup to enable root login |
| 19:22.03 | |felipe| | Thank you so much |
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| 19:22.11 | __filip_ | stew: ok, i will try that |
| 19:22.25 | Azar | __filip_, you can open up a separate terminal with C-A-Fn and root from there |
| 19:22.27 | stew | __filip_: make that, log in as user, and run gdmsetup as root |
| 19:22.51 | stew | __filip_: however logging in to gnome as root is probably a bad idea, why do you want to? |
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| 19:23.16 | stew | __filip_: if you need root priveleges, just do what you need to do using sudo or su |
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| 19:23.24 | __filip_ | stew: i need to move some files and i dont whant to use the terminal |
| 19:23.28 | wdp | anyone an idea? |
| 19:23.37 | raden | does debian have any problems supporting ATA 150 ? |
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| 19:23.49 | Azar | __filip_, using root from X is a bad idea, get used with a command line |
| 19:24.04 | stew | __filip_: run a filmanager as root then but be careful |
| 19:24.25 | xevious | is there a program that lists which hardware is using which IRQs? |
| 19:24.38 | stew | xevious: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 19:24.50 | xevious | oh man |
| 19:24.53 | xevious | i knew that |
| 19:24.55 | Azar | I need to learn handle processes, I need a good online documentation, anyone has an online manual ? |
| 19:24.58 | vincent` | ahah |
| 19:25.02 | xevious | thanks stew |
| 19:25.08 | vincent` | Azar: handle processes ? |
| 19:25.36 | Azar | vincent , yes |
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| 19:25.47 | stew | Azar: do what with them? |
| 19:25.48 | vincent` | what do you mean by that |
| 19:25.50 | Azar | need to practice a bit of killing / starting processes |
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| 19:26.29 | Azar | I am having troubles with X hanging in the background after I exited it. Need to know how to find it and kill it |
| 19:26.36 | digijohn | Hey guys, I'd like to change the running window manager without logging out and logging back in again... how can I do that? |
| 19:26.36 | NichtMued | Azar: man ps, man kill, man killall, man pstree |
| 19:26.42 | vincent` | yeah |
| 19:26.50 | Azar | thanks NIchtMued |
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| 19:26.52 | digijohn | I have my default wm in .xsession and I log in via XDM |
| 19:26.56 | caphuso | digijohn: your window manager must support that |
| 19:26.58 | vincent` | 'ps auxw | less' will show you all your processes |
| 19:27.08 | bobbens | is there a debian package for xorg sdk and if so what's it called? |
| 19:27.14 | stew | Azar: also pkill pgrep |
| 19:27.16 | vincent` | kill processidnumber, will stop it (if that doens't work try -9 option) |
| 19:27.18 | digijohn | caphuso: Oh? Crap. I'm using wmii and I don't think it does that. |
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| 19:27.25 | ecliptik | ah, SSE3 is pni for "historical reasons" |
| 19:27.31 | NichtMued | Azar: maybe also pidof in combination with `´ |
| 19:27.40 | digijohn | Oh well, I'll just do the logout-login thing. |
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| 19:28.16 | douglas | any simple way to get firefox to close tabs on a middle wheel click as it does on windows instead of going to some random site? |
| 19:28.18 | NichtMued | bobbens: apt-cache search |
| 19:28.33 | Adam_ | Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my final year project and I would very much appreciate it if you could submit a number of website addresses you use on a regular basis. Please check http://adamgp.cjb.cc Thanks! |
| 19:28.38 | bobbens | NichtMued: been doing that for half an hour |
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| 19:28.50 | NichtMued | bobbens: Sorry then |
| 19:28.51 | bobbens | NichtMued: but i cant find it, yet i need it and i know it exists in rpm form |
| 19:29.37 | stew | bobbens: xlibs-dev |
| 19:29.57 | stew | bobbens: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:30.48 | bobbens | stew: SID and already installed x-window-system-dev but wacom drivers need Xorg sdk as they put it, i remember compiling this in xfree86 a long time ago |
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| 19:32.29 | chealer_ | I'm trying to setup "Internet connection sharing" on my laptop. the laptop using 2.6 kernel I'm on is connected through its eth1 wireless to a wireless router on 192.168.0.1. it's connected on eth0 to a switch which is connected connected to my main desktop at 192.168.0.2. I setup a br0 192.168.0.6 bridge on the laptop bridging eth0 and eth1. the laptop can ping both 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2. what I want is that my main desktop can ping the r |
| 19:32.29 | chealer_ | . it's not working, but is that normal? if not, what should I do? |
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| 19:32.42 | soymilk | who/what is D.J. Bernstein? |
| 19:33.03 | blondie | milk |
| 19:33.08 | streuner | !djb |
| 19:33.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 19:33.17 | chealer_ | actually, what should I do in both cases |
| 19:33.32 | vincent` | lol |
| 19:34.22 | vincent` | chealer_: use openbsd =P |
| 19:34.23 | NichtMued | cu guys |
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| 19:34.23 | chealer_ | vincent`: arg, it's a laptop |
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| 19:34.23 | soymilk | i just saw the package that "converts html documentation from D.J. Bernstein .. to manual pages" which seemed strange |
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| 19:34.30 | raden | what command tells me what kernel i have |
| 19:34.35 | wdp | do i need something more than openssl and libssl-dev for openssl? A script isn't finding it.. |
| 19:34.39 | stew | raden: uname -r |
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| 19:35.04 | vincent` | wdp: nothing |
| 19:35.15 | vincent` | wdp: do 'whereis openssl' |
| 19:35.21 | vincent` | and compare the path in your script to that |
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| 19:36.17 | soymilk | anyone know how to use svgalib or get it working? |
| 19:36.17 | sepski | chealer_, usualy when you bridge 2 interfaces you should not assign ip's to the interfaces directly, only to the br0 interface i use the example from the bridge-utils package and it workes everytime |
| 19:36.25 | wdp | vincent`, did that. isn't working |
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| 19:37.04 | chealer_ | sepski: yes, that's what I did. br0 has 192.168.0.6, eth0 and eth1 have "0.0.0.0" |
| 19:37.06 | vincent` | wdp what are you trying to do, setup a CA ? |
| 19:37.06 | sepski | chealer_, just omit eth0 and eth1 in interfaces use only the br0 entry, and add bridge_ports [eth0 eth1 | all] |
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| 19:37.27 | paolo | hello |
| 19:37.35 | sepski | chealer_, and brctl show br0 shows eth0 and eth1 as members of the bridge ? |
| 19:37.36 | paolo | i need information |
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| 19:37.47 | paolo | i would like to buy a digital camera |
| 19:37.53 | wdp | vincent`, a script needs openssl, i can optionally add the path to openssl. i tried it without - wasn't working, tried it with the path wasn't working too, i think i had the same problem ago, there were a packages i had to install after it it was working |
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| 19:37.56 | chealer_ | sepski: but I'm just trying to see if it works, it's not a permanent setup. I'm trying to track problems with my DSL |
| 19:37.59 | wdp | but don't remember what it was. |
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| 19:38.06 | paolo | but i do not know what is better supported from gnu/linux |
| 19:38.13 | paolo | can you help me ? |
| 19:38.17 | wdp | -s |
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| 19:38.28 | stew | paolo: use google to find models that support "usb mass storage" |
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| 19:38.50 | plathrop | Hello everyone. |
| 19:38.54 | paolo | i try, but there are many reply |
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| 19:39.06 | paolo | really it's not |
| 19:39.07 | chealer_ | br0 8000.000fea84dc54 no eth0 |
| 19:39.07 | chealer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.15 | chealer_ | sepski: here's what brctl show; showed when it was setup that way |
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| 19:39.22 | sepski | chealer_, humm 0.0.0.0 ? mine just dont have an address line at all |
| 19:39.30 | chealer_ | forgot to say I'm a networking newbie |
| 19:40.01 | chealer_ | sepski: if I ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 then ifconfig doesn't show any IP address |
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| 19:40.27 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 19:40.33 | paolo | there are so many cameras that say that are compatibile, but then does not work with gnu/linux because there is apply the cd rom of compatibily for winzozz |
| 19:40.49 | sepski | chealer_, ifconfig eth0 up isn't enoughf ? you need the 0.0.0.0 ? |
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| 19:41.09 | chealer_ | sepski: note that I just took the ifconfig eth 0.0.0.0 command from bridge-utils doc |
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| 19:41.29 | azeem | paolo: check the list of supported cameras by libgphoto |
| 19:41.42 | jade | how do i view the past logins ? |
| 19:41.48 | azeem | paolo: cameras which function as usb-storage devices all work fine |
| 19:42.17 | plathrop | I have a question I am hoping someone here can help me with. It is regarding upgrading RAM abouve the 2gig mark. |
| 19:42.23 | sepski | chealer_, brctl showmacs br0 shows the correct addresses no the correct ports, no iptables in the way from old ? |
| 19:42.24 | chealer_ | sepski: if you ifconfig eth0 up an interface with an IP address already assigned, it gets up or there's no difference. ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 seems to unassign the IP address |
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| 19:42.37 | sepski | chealer_, okay |
| 19:42.46 | chealer_ | sepski: I never touched the iptables command |
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| 19:42.54 | SerajewelKS | !moo |
| 19:42.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:43.08 | SerajewelKS | twice as much, heh... that's one lean cow |
| 19:43.35 | jelly | thrice would work as well. |
| 19:43.35 | __filip_ | is there some command in linux like ipconig /all is in windows? |
| 19:43.39 | chealer_ | sepski: # route; showed this while it was configured as I described : localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 br0 |
| 19:43.44 | __filip_ | ipconfig* |
| 19:43.49 | vincent` | __filip_: ifconfig |
| 19:43.50 | SerajewelKS | jelly: in my case at least 4x |
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| 19:44.04 | __filip_ | vincent: ok |
| 19:44.06 | JuSt`FuSioN | hi |
| 19:44.13 | jelly | SerajewelKS: that would break the meter. |
| 19:44.27 | sepski | route -n would be nicer, but you had a network route as you should have. |
| 19:44.35 | JuSt`FuSioN | if someone know how install and where i can find an ati driver for radeon 9600 ? |
| 19:44.37 | __filip_ | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 19:44.45 | stew | __filip_: its in /sbin/ |
| 19:44.46 | SerajewelKS | !radeon |
| 19:44.46 | dpkg | i guess radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
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| 19:44.59 | __filip_ | so i need to cd there first? |
| 19:45.04 | vincent` | __filip_: you usually have to be root to use it, try /sbin/ifconfig or add /sbin to you path by doing (bash) export PATH=$PATH:/sbin/ |
| 19:45.10 | stew | __filip_: run "/sbin/ifconfig" |
| 19:45.10 | PupenoL | I am using apt-ftparchive to make a repository, I configured it like: BinDirectory "debian/stable/rs/" { Packages "debian/stable/rs/Packages"; } and I get the error "E: Could not open file ./debian/stable/rs/binary-i386/Packages.gz.new - open (2 No such file or directory)". Why is it tring to access binary-i386 ? my packages are not there. Or how can I tell dpkg-buildpackage to store them there ? |
| 19:45.12 | AgentJ87 | hi |
| 19:45.14 | vincent` | don't have to you can just do '/sbin/ifconfig' |
| 19:45.34 | __filip_ | stew: thanx |
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| 19:46.37 | AgentJ87 | can anyone help me |
| 19:46.37 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 19:46.48 | stew | AgentJ87: not until you ask a question |
| 19:46.50 | plathrop | Basically, the problem is this: I have a system which I need to add RAM to. Currently it has 2gigs of RAM and runs the kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd-k8-smp kernel. When I add 2gigs of RAM for a total of 4, the kernel will not load. However, the system will still boot just fine with the stock 386 kernel. |
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| 19:46.52 | PupenoL | AgentJ87: just ask your question. |
| 19:46.53 | AgentJ87 | lol |
| 19:46.54 | AgentJ87 | ok stew |
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| 19:47.01 | AgentJ87 | sure |
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| 19:47.07 | plathrop | Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 19:47.25 | jelly | plathrop: yes, it's on the right |
| 19:47.36 | AgentJ87 | well i just got aa server with debian, and i have no clue bout linux so here i am, i was told i could install vnc to make things eassier |
| 19:47.46 | AgentJ87 | does it create a desktop environment |
| 19:47.46 | stew | plathrop: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:48.18 | plathrop | stew: sarge (/etc/debian_version says 3.1) |
| 19:48.20 | stew | AgentJ87: in general you wouldn't install a desktop envorionment in a server |
| 19:48.37 | plathrop | jelly: thanks :-P |
| 19:48.51 | PupenoL | AgentJ87: vnc is a way to access remote desktops, but you may not have any on yor debian server and a server is not a place for a desktop. |
| 19:49.00 | AgentJ87 | ok |
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| 19:49.19 | AgentJ87 | next question is there any support sites with tutorials on command lines |
| 19:49.45 | jelly | plathrop: how much memory does the stock kernel show? 896M? |
| 19:50.15 | JuSt`FuSioN | there is someone who can help me to install the ati driver ? :/ i'm new on debian :$ |
| 19:50.29 | ecliptik | jelly, that sounds like what I got before I had mtrr in my kernel with over 1GB of memory |
| 19:50.30 | jelly | about 1GB, that is? |
| 19:50.45 | stew | plathrop: 2.6.8-11 is out for k8 you might try upgading, i dunno though |
| 19:50.48 | plathrop | jelly: That's about right. |
| 19:50.59 | plathrop | stew: I tried that, didn't get anywhere. |
| 19:51.18 | stew | plathrop: wait, you only see 1GB out of two from a debian smp kernel? that's odd |
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| 19:51.31 | bucky | plathrop, do you have a dual processor K8 ? |
| 19:51.42 | chealer_ | sepski: as for showmacs, I'm not sure what to tell you, here's what it outputted: http://yolagang.ath.cx:82/cheal/showmacs |
| 19:51.48 | plathrop | stew: No, wait. I thought you meant the 386 kernel. |
| 19:52.01 | hawking | can someone have a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1282 ? |
| 19:52.04 | cal | anyone know what to do about a processor fan acting weird? (and making a noise different, and louder than usual) |
| 19:52.05 | AgentJ87 | next question is there any support sites with tutorials on command lines |
| 19:52.07 | AgentJ87 | > |
| 19:52.19 | stew | plathrop: unless you are on an smp kernel from debian you won't have highmem support which means you'll only see 896 megs or whatever |
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| 19:52.23 | bucky | AgentJ87, tons.. let me find one for you |
| 19:52.24 | sepski | chealer_, 6 macs 3 on the wireless 3 on the wired sounds correct to you ? |
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| 19:52.30 | AgentJ87 | ty |
| 19:52.35 | bluestorm | is it the good chan for an help about debian installation ? |
| 19:52.50 | hawking | Everytime I open gdm I get an error window saying this error message (http://channels.debian.net/paste/1282) how can i solve this prob? |
| 19:52.51 | plathrop | stew: Yeah, I am on an SMP kernel right now. It sees the 2gigs just fine. The problem occurs when I move to 4. |
| 19:52.51 | jelly | plathrop: I think I saw some problems with 4GB and BIOS memory map on lkml. The solution was to either to upgrade BIOS or recompile with 64GB support, or maybe both. |
| 19:53.10 | JuSt`FuSioN | there is someone who can help me to install the ati driver ? :/ i'm new on debian :$ (please) :/ |
| 19:53.16 | plathrop | stew: what happens is I get an error from grub saying the kernel won't fit into memory. |
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| 19:53.52 | daMaestro | hey all |
| 19:53.56 | plathrop | jelly: That's interesting. I'll check into that... |
| 19:53.57 | bluestorm | JuSt`FuSioN: is there not a .deb for that ? |
| 19:54.00 | daMaestro | i need to boot a PXE image using lilo |
| 19:54.02 | daMaestro | any help? |
| 19:54.10 | JuSt`FuSioN | i don't know bluestorm |
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| 19:54.16 | JuSt`FuSioN | i'm a new on debian |
| 19:54.20 | jelly | plathrop: oh, but you have problem with grub, not the kernel. |
| 19:54.21 | JuSt`FuSioN | before i used mandriva |
| 19:54.26 | bluestorm | JuSt`FuSioN: do you know how to use apt-get ? |
| 19:54.30 | plathrop | bucky: yes, it's a dual proc k8 |
| 19:54.40 | bucky | AgentJ87, here's one.. it's a classic a little dated http://people.debian.org/~psg/ddg/ |
| 19:54.42 | JuSt`FuSioN | yes i have see a bit on a site |
| 19:54.42 | daMaestro | where are the images for lilo stored? |
| 19:54.46 | AgentJ87 | k |
| 19:54.50 | plathrop | jelly: Not really, because it boots a different kernel just fine. |
| 19:54.54 | bucky | plathrop, have you asked in #debian-amd64 ? |
| 19:54.59 | bluestorm | daMaestro: doesn't the doc speak about that ? |
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| 19:55.07 | daMaestro | bluestorm, i have read some |
| 19:55.08 | plathrop | jelly: that was my interpretation, at least. I could be wrong. |
| 19:55.13 | daMaestro | i use grub on my other servers... |
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| 19:55.35 | daMaestro | i just don't know where to put the image |
| 19:55.36 | plathrop | bucky: No, didn't know it existed until now. Thanks, I'll definitely check there if I can't find an answer here. |
| 19:55.41 | daMaestro | in /boot? |
| 19:55.55 | daMaestro | why is there no vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old? |
| 19:56.07 | daMaestro | vmlinuz-2.2.19 and such is there |
| 19:56.27 | bluestorm | hum |
| 19:56.30 | chealer_ | sepski: I never used that command. apparently except the 2 local MACs there are 2 MACs on each side |
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| 19:56.33 | stew | daMaestro: you are compiling your own kernel? are you using make-kpkg? |
| 19:56.34 | bluestorm | could someone help me |
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| 19:56.44 | bucky | AgentJ87, if you need a gui apt-get install x-window-system-core as su and decide which window manager you want like kde or gnome etc.. |
| 19:56.46 | bluestorm | for an "hard disk only" install ? |
| 19:56.50 | daMaestro | stew, no.. i just need to load this PXE image |
| 19:56.54 | hawking | Everytime I open gdm I get an error window saying this error message (http://channels.debian.net/paste/1282) how can i solve this prob? |
| 19:57.04 | chealer_ | sepski: on one side there's the wireless router, on the other a switch connected to 2 PCs |
| 19:57.21 | stew | daMaestro: the vmlinuz and .old symlinks are usually in / not /boot iirc |
| 19:57.26 | sepski | sounds like your bridge acts normaly. and your linux can ping win and router but win can only ping linux not router ? |
| 19:57.33 | daMaestro | yeah |
| 19:57.37 | AgentJ87 | ibucky: i thought that came with the core |
| 19:57.38 | daMaestro | so i just add my image there? |
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| 19:57.48 | sepski | chealer_, i'd tcpdump the br0 and wireless interface while pinging |
| 19:57.57 | bluestorm | sghh |
| 19:58.02 | daMaestro | stew, you are correct? |
| 19:58.06 | daMaestro | you are. |
| 19:58.10 | bluestorm | gonna try alone, so |
| 19:58.19 | daMaestro | stew, so i just add my PXE image there? |
| 19:58.29 | chealer_ | sepski: there's no win booted except one of the two PCs other than the laptop connected to the switch |
| 19:58.32 | jelly | daMaestro: not really, you also have to add it to the grub menu /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:58.57 | hawking | I'm trying to compile alsa-driver and get this error : The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. |
| 19:58.57 | hawking | Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
| 19:58.57 | hawking | or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel |
| 19:58.57 | hawking | sources (default is /usr/src/linux). |
| 19:58.58 | hawking | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:59.08 | daMaestro | jelly, i'm using woody |
| 19:59.09 | bucky | AgentJ87, dpkg -l x-window-system-core and see if it has 'ii' for installed |
| 19:59.12 | daMaestro | so it is still lilo |
| 19:59.12 | chealer_ | sepski: but the PC I use to test is a sarge on 192.168.0.1. this one's MAC is one of those showmacs dumps |
| 19:59.16 | plathrop | Any other ideas? |
| 19:59.19 | hawking | oops sorry |
| 19:59.27 | stew | daMaestro: sorry i don't know about pxe |
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| 19:59.40 | jelly | daMaestro: oh, I misread you. |
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| 19:59.54 | daMaestro | jelly, stew do you use lilo? |
| 19:59.58 | daMaestro | would you look at my lilo conf? |
| 20:00.02 | stew | hawking: did you install a kernel-source package for your running kernel? |
| 20:00.09 | jelly | daMaestro: yup. shoot. |
| 20:00.15 | hawking | stew : no where can i find that? |
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| 20:00.24 | stew | hawking: what does uname -r say? |
| 20:00.25 | aarktica | If I need to report some oversight regarding the installation process, who should that be forwarded to? |
| 20:00.28 | daMaestro | jelly, are you a hardcore debian user? |
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| 20:00.35 | daMaestro | because what i am going to show you might hurt |
| 20:00.35 | daMaestro | lol |
| 20:00.38 | jelly | daMaestro: only from '98. |
| 20:00.40 | chealer_ | sepski: oops, the sarge is 192.168.0.2, not 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:00.41 | hawking | stew : 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 20:00.57 | chealer_ | sepski: the etch laptop can ping the sarge (192.168.0.2) and the router (192.168.0.1) |
| 20:01.02 | aarktica | (e.g. a missing library.) |
| 20:01.06 | sepski | chealer_, then whats the problem ? |
| 20:01.13 | SerajewelKS | oh wow, vmware's sound support is *nice* |
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| 20:01.14 | stew | hawking: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 ; but headers might be enough, linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 20:01.20 | chealer_ | sepski: the sarge pings etch but not the router |
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| 20:01.32 | stew | hawking: you need newer alsa than is in 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 20:01.47 | hawking | stew : seems so |
| 20:01.55 | JuSt`FuSioN | X.Org 6.8.0 is supporter by the testing version ? |
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| 20:02.06 | karsten | WRT LVM on loopback file: https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2003-September/msg00148.html |
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| 20:02.23 | stew | hawking: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:02.29 | daMaestro | jelly, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yehRfk26.html |
| 20:02.32 | daMaestro | take a look at that |
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| 20:02.39 | daMaestro | if my PXE image is in / will that work? |
| 20:02.49 | JuSt`FuSioN | !xorg |
| 20:02.49 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 20:03.28 | jelly | daMaestro: it doesn't really matter where the image is. I must say I don't know anything about pxe either though. |
| 20:03.44 | daMaestro | sok... just is the format of the file correct to boot that image? |
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| 20:04.21 | sdakota | my nameserver (bind9) is responding on another port then 53 - incoming requests come at 53, but it answers at another port, and DIG tells me: ;; reply from unexpected source: 82.168.141.105#19514, expected 82.168.141.105#53 |
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| 20:04.41 | jelly | daMaestro: nope. |
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| 20:05.30 | jelly | daMaestro: kernel arguments are added in a line like append="video=atyfb ..." etc. |
| 20:05.31 | daMaestro | jelly, what do i need to add? |
| 20:05.33 | harleyg | http://linuxlabs.co.uk/image-host/images/image001.gif |
| 20:05.37 | harleyg | HAHAHAHA |
| 20:05.39 | daMaestro | ahhh |
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| 20:05.44 | daMaestro | jelly, what about initrd? |
| 20:05.49 | harleyg | FAT LADLE, STAIRS, PROBABLY A BROKEN LEG |
| 20:05.53 | harleyg | WHAT CAN BE BETTER? |
| 20:06.02 | sdakota | harleyg: stop screaming |
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| 20:06.17 | harleyg | i wasnt sceaming, i was silent as a mouse |
| 20:06.23 | chealer_ | sepski: is that normal? |
| 20:06.26 | jelly | daMaestro: image line stays like that, label too, and then add append="vnc vncpassword=.... " |
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| 20:06.57 | mixter | hi! i just upgraded from woody too sarge and now have some problems to start old programs... is the libc upgraded when going to sarge? do i need to recompile older programs? |
| 20:07.00 | sepski | chealer_, i'd imagine you should be able to also ping the router. since i do that. i'd run tcpdump to see what happenes |
| 20:07.02 | daMaestro | jelly, sweet... i noticed that global setting... but i need to be able to boot the old image if something goes wrong |
| 20:07.02 | jelly | daMaestro: initrd is a separate initrd=/where/ever/it/is if you need it. |
| 20:07.20 | hans0lo | mixter: recompile |
| 20:07.25 | chealer_ | sepski: yeah, I did consider that before asking here :/ |
| 20:07.40 | jelly | daMaestro: no, you can put a private append= line for just that image. |
| 20:07.54 | mixter | hans0lo: all of them? :-) i have quite a few programs that are not installed from debian packages |
| 20:08.04 | stew | mixter: yes libc went through a major revision from woody->sarge |
| 20:08.17 | hawking | stew : is it a good idea to reinstall debian and try again? |
| 20:08.35 | hans0lo | mixter: make sure you have contrib and non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list and you may fnid that some of those programs are avaliable in the repository |
| 20:08.38 | mixter | stew: ok... i guess i have to reinstall the programs then :-/ |
| 20:08.55 | jelly | daMaestro: use "lilo -t" to check the syntax without writing anything to disk. |
| 20:09.15 | stew | hawking: why? what is wrong? |
| 20:09.26 | mixter | hans0lo: well, i don't think they are packaged with debian at all... but i'll recompile and reinstall them then |
| 20:09.34 | hawking | stew : I still have no sound |
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| 20:09.48 | stew | hawking: what card? |
| 20:09.59 | FireCracker | Hi guys, im looking for a vmware type program to try out BSD, on my linux system? Any suggestions? |
| 20:10.03 | hawking | stew : snd-hda-intel |
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| 20:10.16 | stew | hawking: what is the output of lspci | grep -i audio |
| 20:10.33 | hawking | stew : Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 20:10.37 | hans0lo | mixter: yep, just gotta recompile against the new libc. Just curious, what are some of the programs that arent in the repository that you use? |
| 20:11.01 | chealer_ | how can I list the MAC addresses of devices in an interface's network segment, a bit like brctl showmacs does? |
| 20:11.16 | vincent` | arp -a |
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| 20:12.12 | hawking | stew : any ideaS? |
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| 20:12.30 | chealer_ | vincent`: thanks, I'll try that |
| 20:12.35 | mixter | hans0lo: it's my mailserver... running qmail (wich the author does not allow to be shipped compiled) and various little helperprograms to qmail, including pop-server, imapserver and so on |
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| 20:13.02 | vincent` | firecracker: i would check out Xen and qemu |
| 20:13.13 | daMaestro | jelly, \n and \t are not allowed in quoted strings at or above line 115 in file /etc/lilo.conf |
| 20:13.50 | jelly | daMaestro: well don't put them there then. All in one line, separate with single spaces. |
| 20:14.12 | daMaestro | i know what \n is... what is \t? |
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| 20:14.23 | caphuso | daMaestro: tab |
| 20:14.32 | jelly | daMaestro: append="vnc vncpasswd=cherub headless ip=..." etc |
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| 20:14.58 | dotCOMmie | does anyone know where the "linuxrc (or init) script" is located on debian |
| 20:15.14 | vincent` | dotcommie /etc/init.d |
| 20:15.19 | jelly | daMaestro: or just install grub if you know how to work with it. |
| 20:15.28 | daMaestro | jelly, i had some /t in there |
| 20:15.35 | daMaestro | from when i was using the format of the file |
| 20:15.38 | daMaestro | not all on one line |
| 20:15.40 | daMaestro | i removed them |
| 20:15.51 | daMaestro | and the test worked |
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| 20:16.15 | dotCOMmie | vincent`: "Using an initrd with Suspend2 is possible. To use this, you MUST edit your linuxrc (or init) script to contain the line" which file should I put it in? |
| 20:16.18 | jelly | daMaestro: run lilo then, and hope it works. ;-) |
| 20:16.26 | daMaestro | yeah... i think it will |
| 20:16.36 | dotCOMmie | vincent`: (I'm installing suspend2) |
| 20:16.39 | daMaestro | the remote install is great |
| 20:16.47 | daMaestro | i am rebuilding my whole debian cluster remotely |
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| 20:17.12 | vincent` | dotCOMmie: oh hrm, not sure |
| 20:17.27 | jelly | daMaestro: sure looked like centos to me. ;-) |
| 20:17.45 | daMaestro | jelly, one of the servers is going to cent... i want lvm |
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| 20:17.55 | daMaestro | and this debian is still woody |
| 20:17.55 | daMaestro | ha |
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| 20:18.54 | daMaestro | jelly, thanks much for the help. i just set Default=Label to boot it? |
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| 20:21.17 | jelly | daMaestro: yup. remember to rerun lilo after each change. |
| 20:21.18 | rootnoverify | erm.. how do I exit X (/me feels newb) |
| 20:22.22 | klync | rootnoverify: depends on your windowmanager, and how you've started X (from a display manager as root, or by typing `startx` as user?) |
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| 20:22.38 | Raid | hi |
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| 20:23.10 | rootnoverify | running kde now, just filled in username & password in the default gnome session admin or w/e it's called |
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| 20:23.42 | klync | rootnoverify: so, doesn't the little sprocket menu in the toolbar at the bottom have a "logout"? (i don't use kde very often) |
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| 20:24.01 | JuSt`FuSioN | someone can help me for one command for to install 3d card ? :/ |
| 20:24.12 | rootnoverify | yes, but you just return to the login thing |
| 20:24.21 | rootnoverify | same problem in gnome |
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| 20:24.31 | jelly | rootnoverify: switch to console then stop the window manager with the init script. |
| 20:24.46 | klync | rootnoverify: so, .... what jelly said ... ctrl-alt-f1 will give you a new console |
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| 20:25.34 | rootnoverify | ctrl-alt-f1 didn't do anything, but nm |
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| 20:26.01 | thingfish | why do you need to stop X, rootnoverify? |
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| 20:26.28 | rootnoverify | thingfish: the nvidia drivers installer shell thing says so |
| 20:26.51 | thingfish | rootnoverify: you should not be using nvidia's installer, you should be installing nvidia drivers the Debian way. |
| 20:27.03 | vincent` | oy i forget how do you make a rpm into a .deb ? |
| 20:27.13 | rootnoverify | and what's the debian way? :p |
| 20:27.22 | rootnoverify | just editing the xorg.conf file? :p |
| 20:27.28 | thingfish | !tell rootnoverify about nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:27.44 | thingfish | rootnoverify: read what dpkg just told you. |
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| 20:28.16 | mhall | Does anybody here know how to get the OOo 2.0.x help files? The debs don't work right because nobody built the OOo 2.0.x help debs due to some kind of proprietary Java issue. |
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| 20:29.29 | rootnoverify | thingfish: I'm trying to understand right now.. in fact, I only used suse, which is kinda lame, cause you only need to click and it works :p |
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| 20:30.11 | thingfish | rootnoverify: dpkg's factoid tells you to type in a string of commands into a terminal as root. If something's not clear, ask. |
| 20:30.40 | thingfish | rootnoverify: it first wants you to make sure you have contrib and non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 20:31.50 | rootnoverify | thingfish : thanks for your help, I'll give you a sign when it (didn't) work(ed) |
| 20:31.57 | thingfish | hehe ok |
| 20:31.59 | jelly | vincent`: alien |
| 20:32.13 | stew | mhall: ask in #debian-oo |
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| 20:32.46 | thingfish | rootnoverify: when you are nearly done and are doing the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 part, be sure to choose nvidia and not nv. |
| 20:32.51 | vincent` | jelly: thx |
| 20:33.00 | rootnoverify | thingfish: didn't even get that far :) |
| 20:33.22 | thingfish | well I know, just advising in advance. |
| 20:33.25 | thingfish | :) |
| 20:33.35 | rootnoverify | hmm.. |
| 20:34.07 | rootnoverify | /me c/p's the last line of the error message: Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. # |
| 20:34.07 | rootnoverify | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.07 | rootnoverify | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.08 | rootnoverify | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:34.44 | thingfish | rootnoverify: I told you that you need to add contrib and non-free to your sources.list. |
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| 20:35.00 | dserban | Hi, I was just talking to dpkg (otherwise known as the oracle of irc), and found instructions on installing the nvidia drivers using module assistant. One teeny problem with it, currently m-a seems to be looking for kernel-[headers|source] but the packages are now aptly named linux-[headers|source] ... what do I do to have it actually succesfully compile the nvidia module? |
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| 20:35.17 | saloxin | i'm trying to get x forwarding through an ssh gateway. ssh -X B and then ssh -X C doesn't really do it, $DISPLAY gets unset. any tricks? |
| 20:35.34 | dserban | saloxin: make sure your X server allows tcp connections. |
| 20:35.36 | thingfish | rootnoverify: in your /etc/apt/sources.list, you should have a line similar to deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 20:35.37 | rootnoverify | Thingfish: ok, but how? remember, I really suck :) |
| 20:36.16 | rootnoverify | the belgian equivalent is there :) |
| 20:36.18 | thingfish | rootnoverify: open a terminal, su to root, then use your favorite editor (gedit, nano, vim) to open /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:37.11 | thingfish | ok, rootnoverify, just add a space after 'main', add the word 'contrib', make another space, add the word 'non-free'. Save and close. |
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| 20:37.25 | saloxin | dserban: on which host? |
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| 20:37.33 | thingfish | so the line ends 'main contrib non-free' |
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| 20:37.49 | edinoe | hello |
| 20:37.55 | paolo | to the next time |
| 20:37.59 | thingfish | rootnoverify: when done, do 'apt-get update' |
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| 20:38.11 | bucky | dserban, try export KERNEL_SOURCE_PATH=linux-[headers|source] |
| 20:38.22 | edinoe | c'est un site francophone? |
| 20:38.26 | soymilk | saloxin: don't you need to do a tunnel for that? |
| 20:38.31 | thingfish | Oui. #debian-fr |
| 20:38.44 | saloxin | dserban: ref m-a. try to install linux-headers manually, and symlink untill m-a is happy |
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| 20:39.17 | saloxin | soymilk: tried variations of ssh -X -C 5656:C:22 B, with same result, $DISPLAy is still unset |
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| 20:39.38 | soymilk | saloxin: are you ssh-ing as the user who is logged in to X on the remote box? |
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| 20:39.55 | soymilk | saloxin: and you ran xhost + or something like it on the local box? |
| 20:40.06 | saloxin | soymilk: no X runing, trying to start an X application remote |
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| 20:40.20 | dserban | saloxin: what do you mean by ref? I'm confuzzled. :/ you mean to symlink all the dirs/files to the one that m-a is looking for? |
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| 20:40.22 | soymilk | saloxin: you need X running on box ends |
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| 20:40.32 | dserban | saloxin: the host should be listening (X server) |
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| 20:41.04 | saloxin | nooo. ssh -X somebox; dillo; works like a charm directly with no x running |
| 20:42.18 | saloxin | dserban: install linux-headers, unpack them, and if m-a is still complaining make a symlink to them called kernel-headers |
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| 20:42.27 | dserban | saloxin: ahh |
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| 20:42.49 | edinoe | salut à tous en faite je voudrais savoir si il est possible de faire reconnaitre ma carte son créative x-fi platinium...je suis sur ubuntu et j'ai regardé partout enfin presque (je suis novice) |
| 20:43.07 | azeem | edinoe: essaie #debian-fr |
| 20:43.21 | JuSt`FuSioN | alsa ne gere pas toute les cartes son ? |
| 20:43.38 | edinoe | j'y suis déjà allé j'ai rien trouvé |
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| 20:43.47 | azeem | edinoe: tant pis |
| 20:43.56 | edinoe | apparement non ...la carte à quelque mois! |
| 20:44.01 | azeem | edinoe: mais on ne parle pas francais ici |
| 20:44.17 | M_Cheevy | morning peeps.... |
| 20:44.21 | edinoe | ok désolé...! bye |
| 20:44.24 | JuSt`FuSioN | someone for to help me to install my radeon card ? :/ |
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| 20:45.18 | saloxin | ah found it. ForwardX11 yes in ssh_config on B |
| 20:45.23 | Thaiger | How do I supress a programs terminal output from the commandline? |
| 20:45.44 | M_Cheevy | Thaiger: program > /dev/null |
| 20:46.16 | dserban | Thaiger: program 2>&1 > /dev/null |
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| 20:47.36 | daMaestro | jelly, you still here? |
| 20:47.57 | Thaiger | dserban: hm... doesn't seem to work, I tried program > /dev/null and that didn't work either |
| 20:47.59 | dserban | hahaha i'm teh noob, i left xchat on in the it dept looool |
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| 20:48.10 | dserban | :> |
| 20:48.15 | dserban | he's out having a smoke |
| 20:48.28 | daMaestro | thanks dserban |
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| 20:48.50 | daMaestro | what do i need to do to choose a different kernel at the lilo prompt? |
| 20:49.08 | daMaestro | i really don't want to go into the colo to fix this |
| 20:49.20 | M_Cheevy | Thaiger: see if the program offers a -q (or quiet) option |
| 20:49.33 | daMaestro | i know grub... not lilo |
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| 20:50.06 | foo | Hmm, anyone here setup linux to fax something out? I wonder how hard it would be. lspci see's my modem: 0000:00:0a.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem .. hmm, /me looks for a fax package |
| 20:50.26 | meff | good luck w/ a winmodem :x |
| 20:50.42 | aarktica | If I need to report some oversight regarding the installation process (e.g. a missing critical library), who should that be forwarded to? |
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| 20:50.53 | daMaestro | foo, you might need a fax server |
| 20:50.58 | SimonRaven | Thaiger: flip the order of > /dev/null and 2>&1 |
| 20:51.12 | foo | daMaestro: ah, ok |
| 20:51.27 | M_Cheevy | cool... boss ain't coming in today so it's a day off.... |
| 20:51.29 | SimonRaven | Thaiger: i.e., > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 20:51.50 | jbroome | foo: if it's just you using it, check out efax or gfax. or hell, apt-cache search fax :) |
| 20:52.03 | mhall | stew: Yeah I did ask in d-oo; it's dead. |
| 20:52.04 | seeds | hello how do you extract bin files? |
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| 20:52.23 | daMaestro | seeds, i assume you mean to burn this to CD |
| 20:52.30 | daMaestro | is there a .cue file too? |
| 20:52.32 | seeds | no |
| 20:52.39 | seeds | jus to extract it |
| 20:52.46 | daMaestro | what is it? |
| 20:52.51 | dserban | seeds: it might be an executable |
| 20:52.59 | seeds | the extension rpm.bin |
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| 20:53.08 | daMaestro | seeds, ./name.rpm.bin |
| 20:53.09 | dserban | seeds: what does file tell you? |
| 20:53.12 | seeds | it is a java pacakge |
| 20:53.18 | daMaestro | might need to chmod +x name.rpm.bin |
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| 20:53.24 | seeds | k |
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| 20:53.50 | daMaestro | you will need rpmbuild if you are trying to rebuild an rpm |
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| 20:54.21 | daMaestro | something like rpm-tools |
| 20:54.24 | daMaestro | if you use yum |
| 20:54.35 | daMaestro | or apt |
| 20:54.47 | Thaiger | SimonRaven: That worked, thanks! |
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| 20:55.20 | stew | seeds: don't instatll java rpms, use java-package /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 20:55.31 | SimonRaven | Thaiger: s'ok |
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| 20:55.54 | seeds | k |
| 20:56.05 | Linux-Boy | imam nujda ot malko pomosht shte sam blagodaren nekoi ako mi obarne vnimanie |
| 20:56.18 | jbroome | he's speaking in tongues! |
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| 20:57.15 | Thaiger | If something is in stable or unstable but not in testing and I want to try to get the package to work anyways, which should I try, stable or unstable? |
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| 20:57.18 | cees | I'm in a testing ppc and I have problems with pbuttonsd : In BAT ON the system sleep very soon. can someone help me? |
| 20:57.45 | smacnay | hmm - I am getting 'suffix or operands invalid for `mov'' errors when trying to compile a 2.6.8 vanilla kernel using gcc 3.3. Actually same error for both the debian kernel sources and for vanilla. |
| 20:57.48 | stew | Thaiger: /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix ; |
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| 20:57.58 | stew | Thaiger: or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:58.13 | Linux-Boy | please help problem >>> apt-get give me error |
| 20:58.14 | Linux-Boy | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:58.15 | Linux-Boy | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:58.15 | Linux-Boy | E: The package sitebuilder needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 20:58.23 | stew | Thaiger: testing are generally much closer and mix better than stable and testing which generally doesn't mix well add all |
| 20:58.24 | Linux-Boy | please help |
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| 20:58.41 | stew | !tell Linux-Boy about flood |
| 20:58.47 | stew | Linux-Boy: sitebuilder isn't a debian package |
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| 20:59.06 | Linux-Boy | stew please help me |
| 20:59.08 | stew | Linux-Boy: you need to either remove it or find a non-repository that supplies it |
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| 20:59.13 | Thaiger | stew: I'm sorry, I don't understand so unstable and testing is better than stable and testing? |
| 20:59.18 | cees | I'm in a testing ppc and I have problems with pbuttonsd : In BATT ON the system sleep very soon. can someone help me? |
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| 20:59.49 | stew | Thaiger: yes the libraries on testing are more compatible with sid than with stable |
| 20:59.51 | Linux-Boy | stew commands please 10x |
| 21:00.04 | Linux-Boy | apt-get remove not effects |
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| 21:00.12 | Eclipser | !10x |
| 21:00.12 | dpkg | hmm... 10x is TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly? |
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| 21:00.33 | stew | Linux-Boy: what happesn when you try to remove sitebuilder? |
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| 21:00.45 | ProN00b | how do i install an identd that always returns the same user ? |
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| 21:01.04 | Linux-Boy | E: The package sitebuilder needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 21:01.08 | Linux-Boy | this |
| 21:01.33 | EdLin | ProN00b: iyntays (or even if you don't nta) |
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| 21:01.50 | stew | ProN00b: use nullidentd |
| 21:01.58 | M_Cheevy | morning EdLin |
| 21:02.11 | ProN00b | stew, i tried installing that, how do i activate it and how do i set its name ? |
| 21:02.14 | stew | Linux-Boy: where did you install sitebuilder from? what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:02.17 | ProN00b | EdLin, whats that ? |
| 21:02.20 | EdLin | M_Cheevy: it's afternoon here. :-) |
| 21:02.22 | cees | HOw can I set the pbbuttonsd? |
| 21:02.27 | EdLin | brb |
| 21:02.36 | stew | ProN00b: it should be running from inetd, and its documents should be in /usr/share/doc/nullidentd |
| 21:02.59 | Linux-Boy | i cant remove pakage sitebuilder |
| 21:02.59 | M_Cheevy | EdLin: but it's only 1003 here... besides, "morning" is a state of mind, not a time of day |
| 21:03.01 | SimonRaven | cees: man pbbuttonsd to start, /join #debianppc |
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| 21:03.47 | M_Cheevy | when consciousness is confined to the rim of a cup of coffee it's morning |
| 21:03.47 | stew | Linux-Boy: how did you install it? |
| 21:03.55 | stew | Linux-Boy: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:04.07 | Linux-Boy | i dont now |
| 21:04.15 | potemkin | M_Cheevy-- too damn right |
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| 21:04.26 | Linux-Boy | this its server mashine on office |
| 21:04.52 | M_Cheevy | potemkin: the "state of mind" comment or the "consciousness confined" or both? |
| 21:04.53 | stew | Linux-Boy: can you purge sitebuilder with dpkg -P sitebuilder? |
| 21:05.10 | potemkin | consciousness confined, of course! |
| 21:05.14 | AciD | I'm searching numbers for a FLOSS presentation. Do you know how many languages are supported in Debian ? |
| 21:05.19 | Linux-Boy | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:05.19 | Linux-Boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.42 | potemkin | breakfast is [caffe|nico] tine |
| 21:05.53 | Linux-Boy | dpkg: error processing sitebuilder (--purge): |
| 21:06.18 | M_Cheevy | potemkin: "can relate to that", he says putting down the cigarette and coffee in order to type |
| 21:06.28 | Linux-Boy | stew help |
| 21:06.28 | Linux-Boy | :) |
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| 21:06.35 | stew | Linux-Boy: you might need to figure out what in the maintainer scripts is failing and fix it, /var/lib/dpkg/info/sitebuilder.* |
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| 21:07.09 | M_Cheevy | potemkin: at 42yo I can do quite a bit in my sleep ;) |
| 21:07.14 | potemkin | lol |
| 21:07.17 | Linux-Boy | -bash: /var/lib/dpkg/info/sitebuilder.*: No such file or directory |
| 21:07.34 | karsten | Go Linus! http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/13/1340215.shtml?tid=121&tid=131&tid=189&tid=106 ;-) |
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| 21:08.06 | M_Cheevy | potemkin: but believe me when I say, I know better than to mess with my system in this frame of mind... too many mistakes get made when sleepy |
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| 21:08.10 | vincent` | M_Cheevy: like what have a heart attack? =P |
| 21:08.12 | thingfish | is that him telling people to use KDE? |
| 21:08.19 | potemkin | anyway, I'm looking for some serious developers in the northern region of the netherlands. Anyone from around here? |
| 21:08.38 | Linux-Boy | stew help |
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| 21:08.44 | zOap | I have made a ~/bin with shortcuts for longfilenamedapplications. I've added it to bash_profile. Problem is, I can only open these shortcuts from a term, not from a Run app dialog.. Does anyone know anything about this? |
| 21:08.51 | potemkin | M_Cheevy-- I've had to ask people to change rootpasswords so I couldn't screw things up |
| 21:08.55 | elirips | hi people. anyone knows whats wrong: Always after I connected to the wlan at university (ath0) using dhcp, when I come home and connect with eth0, using a static ip, etc/resolv.conf still has the enries of the university, so dns does not work. how could i correct this? |
| 21:08.56 | stew | Linux-Boy: that is a very broken package then |
| 21:08.57 | karsten | thingfish: It is. |
| 21:09.05 | zOap | Oh, they are made executable |
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| 21:09.16 | stew | Linux-Boy: does "dpkg -L sitebuilder" list any files for it? |
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| 21:09.24 | M_Cheevy | potemkin: nah... I learned disciipline.. after having to rebuild my system for the 5th time at 0400 ;) |
| 21:09.27 | vincent` | elirips: run dhcp at home and set up fixed-address |
| 21:09.33 | Linux-Boy | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `sitebuilder' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 21:09.33 | Linux-Boy | Package `sitebuilder' does not contain any files (!) |
| 21:09.40 | M_Cheevy | vincent: come again? |
| 21:09.53 | wllxtt | Is there anyone would like to help me with a installation problem on alpha machine? |
| 21:10.13 | vincent` | M_Cheevy: j/k nm |
| 21:10.42 | stew | Linux-Boy: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" report? |
| 21:10.47 | wllxtt | After the installation, I cannot see the login screen, the monitor doesn't show any signal |
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| 21:11.04 | Linux-Boy | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 21:11.10 | M_Cheevy | vincent`: wasn't exactly offended, wanted to get the context of the joke... |
| 21:11.14 | wllxtt | I have tried several monitor |
| 21:11.17 | cyberyak | wllxtt, have you tried the serial consols |
| 21:11.22 | elirips | vincent`: my router (linksys wrt54g) does not supported using fixed address. any other idea? |
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| 21:11.32 | wllxtt | what is that? |
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| 21:11.48 | cyberyak | I think on the Alphas the primary console isn't local. |
| 21:11.52 | stew | Linux-Boy: can you paste your sources.list to a pastebin or to #flood (don't paste here) |
| 21:12.04 | M_Cheevy | holy shit.. just did some quick math.... I've been irc'ing for just a few months shy of 20 yrs.... sheesh how time flies when you're having fun! |
| 21:12.07 | Linux-Boy | ok sorry |
| 21:12.10 | vincent` | elirips: so you use static at home ? |
| 21:12.14 | wllxtt | how can I fix this? |
| 21:12.18 | colloron | just wondering, whats the difference between chown name.group and chown name:group (notice the colon vs the dot) |
| 21:12.20 | vincent` | why not get dhcp from the linksys |
| 21:12.25 | ProN00b | stew, somehow my inetd doesn't open port 113 |
| 21:12.33 | karsten | colloron: Syntactically identical. |
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| 21:12.38 | stew | ProN00b: is nullident listed in /etc/inetd.conf? |
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| 21:12.50 | karsten | colloron: ... some naming schemes may have user names with dots in them, if the admins are idiots. |
| 21:12.55 | ProN00b | yes, i just manually put it in there |
| 21:12.59 | colloron | karsten, ahh ok |
| 21:13.04 | cyberyak | wllxtt, you may need to do some searching. I recall setting up an old alpha and having to attach to it via serial cable. |
| 21:13.27 | stew | ProN00b: /etc/init.d/inetd reload |
| 21:13.33 | wllxtt | thanks cyberyak, but I have the previous redhat 6.2 working well |
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| 21:13.47 | elirips | vincent`: yes, i have a static entry for eth0 in my /etc/network/interfaces (if i'm connecting somewhere else, i use wireless anyway all the time, so it doesn't matter much). |
| 21:14.01 | Linux-Boy | stew help my please |
| 21:14.22 | M_Cheevy | back |
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| 21:14.25 | M_Cheevy | Linux: I think you've exhausted his help.... |
| 21:14.36 | M_Cheevy | er Linux-Boy that is |
| 21:14.42 | wllxtt | the problem is the screen shows some information and then goes down, |
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| 21:14.47 | stew | Linux-Boy: i guess you have to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status by hand, be careful, make a backup |
| 21:14.56 | vincent` | elirips: only think i can think of is writing a script that properly redoes your /etc/resolv.conf and finding somethingt to trigger it when you plug in at home |
| 21:15.00 | wllxtt | this repeats 3 times and nothing is shown after that |
| 21:15.11 | ProN00b | stew, it says something that i have inetutils-inetd instead of normal inetd, does it have a different place for the config file ? |
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| 21:15.49 | cyberyak | wllxtt, do you have a serial cable (2-3-7) that you can connect to it and another machine? VT-100 (Windows Hyperterm), kermit, etc? |
| 21:15.57 | stew | ProN00b: probably, I don't know about that one, but /usr/share/doc/inetutils-inetd/* should tell you |
| 21:16.17 | elirips | vincent`: hm, okay.. now i just connect to my router with wlan using dhcp, and then terminate the connection again.. then resolv.conf is fixed.. but that's not so nice :P |
| 21:16.19 | azeem | ProN00b: I suggest you go back to regular inetd (or xinetd?) |
| 21:16.26 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: doesn't that require a cross-over serial cable? |
| 21:16.27 | wllxtt | Iet me take a look |
| 21:16.37 | cyberyak | yes |
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| 21:16.39 | ProN00b | azeem, i am on a "broken" host |
| 21:16.44 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: sometimes called a null modem cable |
| 21:16.46 | ProN00b | i think i fixed it through |
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| 21:16.51 | cyberyak | 2-3-7 was the old pinout |
| 21:17.01 | cyberyak | 2x3 and 7-7 (gnd) |
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| 21:17.18 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: ah... gotcha.... never memorised the pinouts |
| 21:17.36 | ProN00b | stew, how do i change the name nullidentd returns, i don't quite get where to put the parameter they are talking of in the config file |
| 21:17.51 | wllxtt | I don't have it :) |
| 21:18.00 | cyberyak | I still carry a set of laplink cables. |
| 21:18.04 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: cool, another old mainframe head ;) glad to see I'm not alone.. cut my teeth on an HP 2000 Timeshare Basic box |
| 21:18.08 | cyberyak | did you install ssh |
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| 21:18.19 | cyberyak | and networking? |
| 21:18.22 | wllxtt | yes |
| 21:18.27 | wllxtt | not sure about ssh |
| 21:18.33 | wllxtt | I just installed the desktop |
| 21:18.34 | cyberyak | if that is up, try hitting it from another machine |
| 21:18.36 | cyberyak | on the net |
| 21:18.50 | cyberyak | hrm. |
| 21:18.59 | djp | does anybody know what the boot message "unknown keysum kappa" refers too? |
| 21:19.16 | wllxtt | I got ssh |
| 21:19.22 | cyberyak | keysum kappa? wasn't that a gangsta rapper? |
| 21:19.23 | wllxtt | and I can ssh from another machine! |
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| 21:19.29 | cyberyak | W00T! |
| 21:19.30 | wllxtt | thanks cyberyak |
| 21:19.37 | Linux-Boy | stew remove information for sitebulder on this file /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 21:19.40 | wllxtt | but how can I use it on the monitor? |
| 21:19.46 | wllxtt | anything I need to change? |
| 21:19.47 | cyberyak | np. glad I could be partially useful. |
| 21:19.49 | djp | cyberyak, :) |
| 21:19.50 | M_Cheevy | cyberkay: here's a quarter for that last joke.... don't quit your day job ;) |
| 21:19.50 | stew | ProN00b: it goes on the nullidentd command line |
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| 21:20.04 | M_Cheevy | sorry bout the typo there |
| 21:20.19 | cyberyak | thanks M_Cheevy no worries there. |
| 21:20.36 | ProN00b | i got "ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/local/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd |
| 21:20.36 | ProN00b | ", is the last nullidentd the useername, stew ? |
| 21:20.39 | stew | Linux-Boy: that would be what i try. you should never find yourself in this situation however, so if i were you i'd find our where this package came from and who tried to install it and why and from where |
| 21:20.39 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: "no worries"??? where you at? NZ or Oz? |
| 21:20.47 | stew | ProN00b: yes |
| 21:20.51 | cyberyak | check your x configuration on the alpha box |
| 21:20.51 | madclicker | where do i put extra commands to run after pppoe restarts? |
| 21:20.55 | ProN00b | k, thanks, stew |
| 21:21.11 | cyberyak | no, just picked it up by hanging out with them. |
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| 21:21.38 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: next you'll be saying "she'll be right" ;) (moved to NZ from US about 7yrs ago) |
| 21:21.48 | cyberyak | heheheh |
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| 21:22.17 | cyberyak | never picked up the OZ rhyming thing either. |
| 21:22.20 | EdLin | M_Cheevy: "I moved to NZ" - he said sheepishly |
| 21:22.42 | M_Cheevy | EdLin: nothing sheepish about it ;) proud of it actually ;) but I get the joke |
| 21:22.48 | cyberyak | You mean those aren't large poodle farms? |
| 21:22.57 | M_Cheevy | bahahahaha! |
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| 21:23.16 | M_Cheevy | thanks guys, the only way to wake up... with a laugh... okay there's one better but this isn't #adult-chat |
| 21:23.25 | wllxtt | cyveryak, can you tell me where is that file located? |
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| 21:23.35 | cyberyak | oof. |
| 21:23.41 | wllxtt | I am new to this system |
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| 21:23.58 | SimonRaven | M_Cheevy: spreading more FUD eh? |
| 21:23.59 | M_Cheevy | wllxtt: really??? it doesn't show at all ;) |
| 21:24.14 | cyberyak | wllxtt, what did you install? |
| 21:24.22 | M_Cheevy | SimonRaven: huh wha?? |
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| 21:24.34 | wllxtt | debian 3.1 |
| 21:24.35 | cyberyak | I can commisserate and Alpha is an entirely different animal. |
| 21:24.48 | wllxtt | yes |
| 21:24.55 | M_Cheevy | damn, DEC still making Alpha's? |
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| 21:25.17 | wllxtt | I have tried Gentoo, CentOS... |
| 21:25.35 | cyberyak | no |
| 21:25.46 | cyberyak | but they still run like a raped Ape! |
| 21:25.47 | M_Cheevy | didn't think so... |
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| 21:25.55 | stew | M_Cheevy: no, DEC was bought by compaq that killed alpha before they were bought by HP |
| 21:25.59 | wllxtt | I got a DS20E |
| 21:26.22 | cyberyak | actually, intel and compaq killed the alpha. |
| 21:26.22 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: I know.. looked into them a while back... but still needed to be able to run winblows and 32bit emulation wasn't up to snuff back then |
| 21:26.48 | M_Cheevy | didn't DEC sue Intel for using some of the Alpha technology in the Pentium? |
| 21:26.52 | EdLin | in favor of the Itanic of course |
| 21:27.07 | cyberyak | intel, who was making the alpha chips, allegedly stole the 64 bit arch of the Alpha. |
| 21:27.08 | djp | does anybody know what the boot message "unknown keysum kappa" refers too? |
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| 21:27.28 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: from memory nothing alledged about it... DEC won the case |
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| 21:27.33 | cyberyak | wllxtt, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:27.35 | cyberyak | exactly |
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| 21:27.41 | djp | sorry message appears to be "unknown keysym kappa" |
| 21:28.06 | M_Cheevy | I'm just surprised memory is online at this time...... I figured I needed another full cup of coffee to engage that module |
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| 21:28.14 | stew | djp: do you have a .xmodmaprc that tries to bind kappa? |
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| 21:28.32 | Laibsch | Can somebody help me find out why I cannot see Japanese text in SWF files? An example is at http://www.ola-ac.jp/ft_hitoe1.swf |
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| 21:28.40 | stew | djp: oh a boot message? when exactly do you see that? |
| 21:28.46 | stew | djp: do you run a dm? |
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| 21:28.57 | kingsley | Laibsch: Have you googled for an answer? |
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| 21:29.03 | djp | a dm? |
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| 21:29.12 | stew | djp: a graphical login manager |
| 21:29.12 | Laibsch | I think I am missing some fonts. I do have Japanese fonts installed and they work fine in HTML pages. |
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| 21:29.39 | stew | Laibsch: try install gsfonts-x11 |
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| 21:29.53 | djp | stew, basic debian desktop install, so i gather the gdm is the graphical login manager, right? if so, yes i do. |
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| 21:30.18 | stew | djp: do you have an .xmodmaprc file? |
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| 21:30.31 | wllxtt | thanks a lot cyberyak |
| 21:30.33 | bucky | djp, gnome actually |
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| 21:30.36 | cyberyak | so DEC (at that point compaq) settled for money because they didn't want to piss off intel who was providing all their desktop processors |
| 21:30.37 | wllxtt | it's working now |
| 21:30.38 | djp | stew, would that be in my home directory? |
| 21:30.42 | cyberyak | did that work? |
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| 21:30.44 | stew | djp: maybe? |
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| 21:30.47 | wllxtt | great! |
| 21:30.48 | cyberyak | W00T |
| 21:30.55 | djp | stew, will check... |
| 21:31.10 | wllxtt | thanks again |
| 21:31.10 | karsten | Untrusted packages question: looking at afio in aptitude I see: WARNING: This version of afio is from an untrusted source! Installing this package could allow a malicious individual to damage or take control of your system. |
| 21:31.14 | karsten | 'Sup? |
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| 21:31.19 | cyberyak | and today the part of the blind squirrel will be played by cyberyak. |
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| 21:31.28 | cyberyak | you're welcome |
| 21:31.38 | djp | stew, not in my home directory |
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| 21:32.03 | Laibsch | kingsley: Yes. What keywords would you suggest? |
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| 21:32.18 | Linux-Boy | how yes him set stew |
| 21:32.18 | M_Cheevy | karsten: seems like a pretty straight forward message to me. have you checked your repositories to make sure they're legit |
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| 21:32.23 | Laibsch | stew: That package is already installed. |
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| 21:32.48 | stew | karsten: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 21:33.04 | kingsley | Laibsch: I suggest searching both google's web and usenet archives for: "japanese text" swf |
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| 21:33.21 | Laibsch | kingsley: flash and fonts is kind of generic. It works on other ppl's Linux machines that do not run Debian |
| 21:33.28 | Laibsch | kingsley: OK, I'll see. |
| 21:33.34 | stew | Laibsch: dunno then, i just know that installing that package fixes some instances of fonts not appearing in swf |
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| 21:33.35 | Linux-Boy | stew how yes him set |
| 21:33.45 | ni1s | This may be a silly question, but is it possible to install Debian on a computer from another computer, unattended? |
| 21:33.53 | Lilldude10 | yes |
| 21:33.54 | stew | Linux-Boy: i don't know what you are trying to say |
| 21:34.11 | M_Cheevy | nils: did you check the Debian Installation Manual? |
| 21:34.16 | djp | bucky, yes gnome desktop, sorry |
| 21:34.29 | M_Cheevy | bugger, that was a "1" not an "l" |
| 21:34.59 | refnumzx | if i run a cron job under a specific user, does that user need to be logged into have the job run? |
| 21:35.02 | Wanderer | anyone know how to register the replay or helix plugins in firefox 1.5 on a debian unstable box? |
| 21:35.08 | stew | refnumzx: no |
| 21:35.12 | Wanderer | firefox still won't recognize it |
| 21:35.22 | karsten | stew: Danke. |
| 21:35.34 | Linux-Boy | apt-get problem help to fix problem stew |
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| 21:35.36 | stew | karsten: nedankinde |
| 21:35.36 | kingsley | stew: I hope you'll be pleased to know that my heuristic that attempts to estimate productivity often ranks your contributions to #debian quite highly. In fact, you're currently #1. |
| 21:35.56 | Wanderer | think I found it |
| 21:36.06 | M_Cheevy | man, that was amouthful of $10 words... |
| 21:36.10 | djp | stew, i don't appear to have the xmodmaprc file,no |
| 21:36.10 | stew | kingsley: heh i saw that. its a pretty odd definition of productivity though |
| 21:36.32 | stew | kingsley: well i agree with the numerator terms but the denominator terms seem odd |
| 21:36.43 | kingsley | stew: Feel free to suggest improvements. |
| 21:36.45 | Laibsch | stew: Thanks for your help. Gone back to google again but so far not good hits. |
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| 21:36.53 | stew | kingsley: like the first time someone /cycle's his "productivity" gets cut down by a third |
| 21:36.58 | elirips | kingsley: where can i have a look at this heuristic? |
| 21:37.08 | ni1s | M_Cheevy, Yeah, it metions install over LAN, but Im talking about doing an install on a computer(read: starting a unattended install process) from my computer over the internet |
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| 21:37.10 | EdLin | !kingsly-- |
| 21:37.21 | EdLin | !kingsley-- |
| 21:37.23 | EdLin | oops |
| 21:37.26 | Linux-Boy | stew some idea |
| 21:37.31 | erik__ | Where does my hotplug agent look for firmware files? |
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| 21:37.40 | kingsley | stew: What does "/cycle" mean? |
| 21:37.43 | refnumzx | thanks, i am trying to run a backup of a remote share, i have a user called backup, how would i get cron to run that rsync command every day at 1 in the morning? |
| 21:37.43 | stew | Linux-Boy: you need to ask a specific question |
| 21:37.44 | Linux-Boy | to fix this problem |
| 21:37.52 | M_Cheevy | ni1s: worth a shot.. been living in that manual for the last 3 days (debootstrap install onto a sata raid 0 array) thought I saw something there but guess I was mistaken |
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| 21:38.02 | stew | kingsley: /help cycle -> Cycles (leaves and joins) the current channel or the specified channel. |
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| 21:38.29 | karsten | stew: What language is that? |
| 21:38.42 | stew | karsten: esperanto :) |
| 21:38.43 | djp | stew, any ideas? |
| 21:38.48 | Azar | the only company that does Debian custom PCs linuxvoodoo.com is unreacheable :( |
| 21:38.49 | bleck | in vi, how would you do a substitution regex to replace all tabs with nothing? |
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| 21:38.54 | stew | kingsley: i just mean that i don't understand the weight you are giving to /joins and /parts |
| 21:39.07 | bleck | s/[:blank:]//g doesn't seem to work. |
| 21:39.11 | karsten | stew: Ah... |
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| 21:39.25 | ni1s | Get-E.Org got slashdotted and now I cant download that animated background I wanted! |
| 21:39.27 | kingsley | elirips: www.nas.com/~change/private/irc |
| 21:39.35 | ni1s | :( |
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| 21:39.49 | bleck | or how do you find the excape char |
| 21:39.52 | M_Cheevy | ni1s: usually slashdot sets up mirrors for just that phenonmenon |
| 21:39.54 | stew | djp: not really, sorry. its an error that looked like it could be coming from xmodmap, but that's al i got |
| 21:40.05 | kingsley | stew: I noticed that some nicks are banned for too many joins and leaves, so I included them in the denominator. |
| 21:40.06 | Linux-Boy | stew rule little english i,m bulgarian boys |
| 21:40.06 | ni1s | mirrordot |
| 21:40.09 | djp | stew, ok thanks anyway |
| 21:40.32 | Linux-Boy | stew help me fix this problem |
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| 21:40.43 | ni1s | M_Cheevy, but this was a link in a post in a thread, I dont think they mirror those |
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| 21:40.56 | stew | Linux-Boy: the sitebuilder problem? |
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| 21:41.01 | Linux-Boy | yes |
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| 21:41.02 | M_Cheevy | ni1s: worth a shot |
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| 21:41.28 | M_Cheevy | ni1s; if you're looking to pretty things up.. check out bootsplash |
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| 21:42.18 | karsten | stew: I've imported the key as per the factoid, restarted aptitude, and still see the warning. |
| 21:42.30 | stew | kingsley: right, but lets say that for a week i don't /join or /part, and i end up with a high "productivity" rating and 0 /joins/parts in your chart. then i decide to reboot, causing me to /part and /join, then, by your algorithm, my productivity for the week was reduced by 1/3 becuase i /parted and /joined once |
| 21:42.35 | azeem | erik__: there's no need to repeat a question in #debian-devel two minutes after you asked here, if you get no answer |
| 21:42.35 | elirips | kingsley: hehe, nice. thanks for the url. |
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| 21:42.39 | M_Cheevy | the irc command to see a list of channel bans is still "/mode #channel +b", right |
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| 21:42.43 | dondelelcaro | karsten: what is the actual text of the warning? |
| 21:42.45 | dondelelcaro | M_Cheevy: yes. |
| 21:42.54 | stew | karsten: is this package coming from an official mirror? |
| 21:43.06 | M_Cheevy | morning dondelelcaro |
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| 21:43.22 | M_Cheevy | whoa! quite a list |
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| 21:43.47 | karsten | dondelelcaro: eg: WARNING: This version of afio is from an untrusted source! Installing this package could allow a malicious individual to damage or take control of your system |
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| 21:44.00 | karsten | stew: Yes. 'aptitude' shows same warning. |
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| 21:44.06 | kingsley | stew: Feel free to suggest a specific improvement. |
| 21:44.12 | M_Cheevy | karsten: someone already sent you the /dmsg command to read up on that |
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| 21:44.20 | Linux-Boy | stew will help so |
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| 21:44.29 | M_Cheevy | karsten: I mean the /msg dpkg |
| 21:44.33 | kingsley | elirips: You're welcome. Thank you for the compliment. |
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| 21:45.14 | dondelelcaro | karsten: then it's coming from a source that doens't have a signed Release.gpg file. |
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| 21:45.51 | Linux-Boy | die from anger |
| 21:45.54 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Hrm. Updating... |
| 21:46.04 | stew | kingsley: i'd suggest that you remove that from the denominator. we have had many helpful people here that /join and /quit everyday, but that doesn't make them 10-20 times less helpful than someone who stays connected all the time |
| 21:46.09 | Linux-Boy | be mad with rage |
| 21:46.13 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Has anything changed drastically from the past few weeks? |
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| 21:46.19 | M_Cheevy | karsten: did you "/msg dpkg apt secure"? |
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| 21:47.03 | ni1s | M_Cheevy, I just dont see the point of bootsplash. My kernel gets from loading into ram to login promt in almost 10 sec. |
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| 21:47.18 | M_Cheevy | ni1s: no worries then, merely a suggestion |
| 21:47.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1283 |
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| 21:47.32 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... on reload. From aptitude / interactive. Not pretty. |
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| 21:47.46 | stew | karsten: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 21:47.52 | amahbod | hello, is it possible to run the same x session over 2 video cards? |
| 21:47.54 | stew | karsten: that's not an official mirror |
| 21:47.57 | karsten | Doh! |
| 21:47.58 | karsten | Right. |
| 21:48.01 | karsten | Just imported that. |
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| 21:48.36 | nuskool | I'm trying to run gmplayer and every time I go to start it from a terminal I get an error: Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Invalid argument \Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. But gmplayer continues running (I can see it among my processes) without actually drawing any windows in x. Anyone have any idea why this is happening? |
| 21:48.37 | karsten | OK, better. Thanks, stew, dondelelcaro |
| 21:48.48 | M_Cheevy | amahbod: I've been reading an article on just that using two nvidia cards, want the link? |
| 21:48.51 | kingsley | stew: It seems to me that excessive joins and parts should have an effect. What would you think of reducing the importance of the first few joins and parts, possibly by changing (1 + joins etc... ) to something like (10 + joins etc...). |
| 21:48.59 | amahbod | M_Cheevy, yes, please |
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| 21:49.12 | M_Cheevy | amahbod: http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
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| 21:49.31 | karsten | kingsley: logs and power functions are your friend. Or look at percentiles. Or consider other factors, etc. |
| 21:49.50 | karsten | kingsley: Good reputation management systems are hard, and single-factor reputation systems are very subject to gaming. |
| 21:49.55 | M_Cheevy | also nvidia folks, there some decent speed tweaks in that article |
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| 21:50.00 | EdLin | kingsley: I used to be on an ISP that had a 30 minute time-out, dial-up users like myself do not have continuous internet, and even if we do we often need to use the phone for something besides the internet. |
| 21:50.08 | sifis | how do I reset the file that controls users in mysql? |
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| 21:50.24 | cyberyak | Torvalds says, "switch to KDE". http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215&from=rss |
| 21:50.28 | karsten | kingsley: A large portion of recent join/quit action has been from turkish IP space highly represented in other spam / net abuse lookups. LoRez has already banned me from channel once for pointing this out. |
| 21:50.32 | karsten | cyberyak: Yep ;-) |
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| 21:50.45 | erik__ | I just compiled, and modprobed my wireless kernel module(ipw2200)...but I don't know how to connect to the internet from here. |
| 21:50.48 | karsten | sifis: Its one of the metadata tables. RTFM. |
| 21:50.59 | djp | stew, fixed it by running install-keymap uk |
| 21:51.00 | EdLin | kingsley: I assume that if someone is being helpful, they aren't part of the part/join bot problem. |
| 21:51.03 | _Terr1 | erik__, install the debian package wireless-tools to start with |
| 21:51.04 | sirox | does anyone here know how to compile eggdrop+ssl on debian? everything is compiling except net.c here |
| 21:51.06 | LoRez | karsten: no, I banned you for pointing it out in an obnoxious way. |
| 21:51.09 | erik__ | _Terr1: I did |
| 21:51.11 | karsten | stew: http://debian.uchicago.edu stable Release.gpg [ERROR] |
| 21:51.19 | erik__ | _Terr1: iwconfig shows no extensions for all three. |
| 21:51.29 | _Terr1 | hmm |
| 21:51.38 | karsten | LoRez: ... while never suggesting an appropriate mechanism. Got all mature and everything. Very impressive. |
| 21:51.40 | djp | when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, what entry should i use for a uk keyboard? uk or gb? |
| 21:51.43 | kingsley | karsten: I notice that you seem to have had an unpleasant experience with a ban yesterday. For what it's worth, it seems to me that a warning would have been gentler and more appropriate. |
| 21:51.58 | karsten | stew: ... that release file's apparently corrupted. |
| 21:52.07 | evilbulgarian | hi, for some time now i have been getting zone xxx.net/IN: refresh: failure trying master xx.xx.xxx.xxx#53: timed out and now finally it says that all my zones are expired can somone please help? |
| 21:52.08 | karsten | kingsley: Ya think? |
| 21:52.13 | AoA | hello. My problem : I installed Debian using 40 pins IDE cable, and everything was working good. Today, I changed 40 pins cable with 80 pins cable ( I want to switch udma mode) and system cant boot.I get only something UNPACKING LINUX, or something like that and after that balck screen, everything stops. Does somebody know what might be a problem ? |
| 21:52.15 | M_Cheevy | djp: try one and if it ain't the right one just re-run reconfig |
| 21:52.26 | _Terr1 | erik__, did you use any .deb package for ipw2200 driver or did u compile urself and downloaded the source files? |
| 21:52.36 | djp | M_Cheevy, sure. thanks |
| 21:52.42 | erik__ | _Terr1: no |
| 21:52.44 | karsten | AoA: Cable pugged in right-way 'round? |
| 21:52.49 | erik__ | _Terr1: I got my sources from ipw2200.sf.net |
| 21:52.50 | M_Cheevy | djp: needless to say, some of us "experiment" ;) |
| 21:53.13 | _Terr1 | erik__, ok and you said you had compile errors? |
| 21:53.13 | AoA | karsten , what does that mean " right-way 'round" ? |
| 21:53.16 | jade | how do i force a package to be installed via apt-get ? |
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| 21:53.46 | M_Cheevy | AoA: admittedly most drives and ide connectors now have a tab to make sure you get pin1 on pin1 but without those you could have pin1 on pin80 |
| 21:53.46 | _Terr1 | erik__, you installed the iee80211 software as well? |
| 21:54.05 | erik__ | _Terr1: yes |
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| 21:54.18 | erik__ | _Terr1: My module won't compile without that. |
| 21:54.25 | karsten | AoA: Opposite of wrong. Make sure your cable connector and pins are correctly aligned. |
| 21:54.36 | cyberyak | jade depends on what you are trying to force |
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| 21:54.54 | _Terr1 | erik__, ok but did you get errors during compiling of the ipw2200 source? |
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| 21:54.59 | M_Cheevy | AoA: the coloured stripe on the side of the cable (usually red) indicates which side is pin 1 |
| 21:55.02 | erik__ | _Terr1: no errors at all. |
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| 21:55.11 | erik__ | _Terr1: And ipw2200 was modprobed without errors also. |
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| 21:55.25 | AoA | M_Cheevy , yes, I place that tab in right way , I cannot plugg on other side or other way |
| 21:55.28 | kingsley | karsten: Yes, I like the idea of issuing a warning before banning. |
| 21:55.34 | karsten | stew: I'm still getting the marillat error though I've imported the pubkey. |
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| 21:56.09 | M_Cheevy | AoA; okay, so that was barking up the wrong tree... next question is the drive capable of udma? not all ide drives can work on a 80... |
| 21:56.30 | erik__ | _Terr1: any ideas? |
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| 21:56.40 | _Terr1 | erik__ did it found your hardware when you loaded the module? ie.. giving output found bla bla? |
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| 21:57.22 | AoA | M_Cheevy , yes, that drives is capable of UDMA, I see it can be switch between udma 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 21:57.28 | erik__ | _Terr1: yes |
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| 21:57.38 | stew | karsten: are you importing the keys into root's keyring or karsten's? |
| 21:57.48 | M_Cheevy | AoA; hmmmm. well that exhausts the easy stuff.... |
| 21:57.56 | erik__ | Dec 13 11:57:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection |
| 21:57.59 | erik__ | Dec 13 11:57:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -5 |
| 21:58.03 | erik__ | _Terr1: This is what /var/log/messages gives me. |
| 21:58.13 | stew | erik__: did you install firmware for it? |
| 21:58.17 | karsten | stew: root's. |
| 21:58.26 | _Terr1 | He said he did |
| 21:58.35 | karsten | stew: _some_ credit, please! |
| 21:58.37 | stew | karsten: i don't know if you have to maybe apt-get update after importing the keys? |
| 21:58.37 | _Terr1 | on other channel thou 8) |
| 21:58.41 | M_Cheevy | AoA: kernel support for UltraATA installed? |
| 21:58.49 | elirips | and one more question: is there a tool for linux available that does the same as 'net send user msg' in windows, so i could still send msgs to a windows user? |
| 21:58.50 | karsten | stew: I've done that too. |
| 21:59.01 | karsten | elirips: It's a samba tool, yes. |
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| 21:59.15 | karsten | elirips: IIRC it's 'net send', actually. |
| 21:59.23 | erik__ | stew: I put the firmware in /lib/firmware |
| 21:59.24 | AoA | M_Cheevy , yes, I turn on udma2 with 40 pins cable |
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| 21:59.30 | erik__ | But I don't know if it was "installed" |
| 21:59.31 | stew | karsten: wait, you pasted a line for stable, which is a little odd, because this stuff didn't get added to apt until after stable released |
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| 21:59.44 | stew | erik__: what version of debian? |
| 21:59.45 | karsten | elirips: http://www.faqs.org/docs/samba/ch11.html |
| 22:00.00 | M_Cheevy | AoA: as I dumped PATA for SATA a while ago I'm kinda out of ideas (plus only 6hrs sleep last night) |
| 22:00.04 | karsten | stew: I'm tracking stable, unstable, and testing, just to be perverse. |
| 22:00.17 | karsten | I'm pinned to testing, unstable, and stable, in that order. |
| 22:00.27 | karsten | stew: If dropping stable makes life more sane, I'll do it. |
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| 22:00.42 | erik__ | stew: sarge |
| 22:00.47 | M_Cheevy | karsten: would think sanity comes from stability no? |
| 22:00.52 | karsten | stew: ... but marillat gives errors for sid, etch, *and* sarge. |
| 22:00.57 | karsten | stew: bbl, lunch. |
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| 22:01.05 | stew | erik__: then the firmware should be in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 22:01.19 | AoA | M_Cheevy , heh :) ....But it is interesting that when I boot kernel 2.4 system boot normal, but when I boot kernel 2.6.8 that happendes as I tald you |
| 22:01.27 | karsten | elirips: ... or smbcmd -M |
| 22:01.36 | _Terr1 | stew, dosent it look for both paths? |
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| 22:01.39 | elirips | karsten: thanks, i'm just reading.. |
| 22:01.40 | _joey | can I install debian on this device ? http://www.ohgizmo.com/2005/12/07/the-rsstroom-reader-feeds-on-your-toilet-paper/ |
| 22:01.51 | stew | erik__: oh, _Terr1 is right it might look in both places |
| 22:01.58 | M_Cheevy | AoA; did you compile your own 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:02.11 | AoA | M_Cheevy , no, I didnt |
| 22:02.19 | _Terr1 | erik__, you can always take a look at /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent will show where it looks |
| 22:02.49 | M_Cheevy | _joey: that's classic! |
| 22:02.52 | erik__ | eriksLaptop:/home/erik# /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent |
| 22:02.52 | erik__ | Firmware '' event not supported |
| 22:02.58 | erik__ | _Terr1 / stew Is that bad? |
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| 22:03.05 | _joey | M_Cheevy: I want to have it :) |
| 22:03.11 | M_Cheevy | AoA; bog standard kernel should work.... |
| 22:03.22 | elirips | _joey: i'm wondering what toiletpaper they use ;) |
| 22:03.27 | stew | erik__: you want to view that file, not execute it, "pager /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent" |
| 22:03.28 | _Terr1 | erik__, use a text viewer like vim / ed / nano whatever |
| 22:03.53 | M_Cheevy | _joey: doubt I'd spend the bucks on it.. might as well just use a bluetooth palm... easier to take in bathroom and more useful elsewhere . |
| 22:03.57 | erik__ | FIRMWARE_DIRS="/lib/firmware /usr/local/lib/firmware /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware" |
| 22:04.01 | erik__ | Is what it shows. |
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| 22:04.09 | _Terr1 | yeah should be fine then |
| 22:04.21 | stew | erik__: ok, sorry ignore me then |
| 22:04.27 | erik__ | I have the firmware in the right spot. |
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| 22:04.34 | _Terr1 | erik__, you also loaded the ieee80211 module right? |
| 22:04.35 | M_Cheevy | I could see where pointing the RSS feed to the Bush Admin's propoganda channel would be somehow appropriate... wipe your butt with bush! |
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| 22:05.40 | erik__ | _Terr1: no |
| 22:05.42 | erik__ | I did it now. |
| 22:06.25 | SerajewelKS | lately the nonfree flash plugin has been freezing =/ |
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| 22:06.35 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that's normal |
| 22:06.45 | erik__ | _Terr1: When I modprobe ieee80211, then I rmmod ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200; I still get error 5 |
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| 22:07.15 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: it's frozen periodically in the past, but in the last few days i have a 50/50 chance of freezing |
| 22:07.26 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: didn't I see something about that during one of the package installs.. gave you an option to work around it (seen so many in the past few days hard to remember which one) |
| 22:07.27 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: it( has |
| 22:07.32 | _Terr1 | erik__, try echo 100 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout |
| 22:07.40 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: for the nonfree plugin? i doubt it. |
| 22:07.41 | _Terr1 | erik__, and reload the module |
| 22:07.55 | erik__ | _Terr1: That returns nothing. |
| 22:08.03 | jade | anyone know how i can get libc6-dev installed, my debian_version is testing/unstable.. http://pastebin.ca/33581 |
| 22:08.06 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: not for the Flash plugin itself but something during the sound installs.... |
| 22:08.11 | erik__ | eriksLaptop:/home/erik# rmmod ieee80211 |
| 22:08.11 | erik__ | ERROR: Module ieee80211 is in use by ipw2200 |
| 22:08.11 | _Terr1 | erik__, it shouldnt |
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| 22:08.33 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: well i haven't touched my sound setup in the past couple of days... and i'm not playing any audio right now |
| 22:08.39 | _Terr1 | erik__, yeah you need to unload ieee80211 first because it uses ipw driver |
| 22:08.44 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i wonder if it has anything to do with those nvidia tweaks =/ |
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| 22:08.52 | _Terr1 | erik__, you might consider using modconf instead alot easier |
| 22:08.54 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: my system has seemed kinda shaky since all that jazz |
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| 22:09.15 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I thought I said last night, to roll them back out if it's causing problems... it's only about 10 lines of modifications. |
| 22:09.30 | erik__ | _Terr1: ok, I reloaded all the modules and typed that command. |
| 22:09.43 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: do you need the link again to see what to remove? |
| 22:09.47 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yeah it's also a reboot |
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| 22:10.10 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: well, a reboot is the simplest way, but the longest |
| 22:10.33 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i think my mobo is starting to freak out too, which is weird =/ |
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| 22:10.40 | _Terr1 | erik__, when you have typed the command, and reloaded the ipw2200 driver does it comes with any errors now when ur loading the module? like -5 before? |
| 22:10.49 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I'd invest the time in the reboot.... |
| 22:10.50 | erik__ | _Terr1: yes same error. |
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| 22:11.02 | erik__ | _Terr1: I get no errors from modprobe...it only shows in /var/log/messages |
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| 22:11.03 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: last time i rebooted the mobo identified the processor as "unidentivied 2500 ghz" instead of "athlon xp 1100" |
| 22:11.06 | erik__ | modprobe returns nothing. |
| 22:11.07 | cievo | all..hello |
| 22:11.08 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: and the kernel paniced |
| 22:11.10 | _Terr1 | erik__, hm ok |
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| 22:11.20 | cievo | all...How do I find out which processes are swapped out? :) |
| 22:11.28 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: of course a reboot fixes it, but weird shit has been happening lately |
| 22:11.48 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: would be bloody suprised if those tweaks had anything to do with it.. but really, go ahead and nuke the changes .... |
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| 22:12.03 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: no, those changes did not. just saying it might be my mobo too =) |
| 22:12.18 | fatal_ | cievo: processes aren't swapped out, memory is.... |
| 22:12.30 | _Terr1 | erik__, you use ipw2200 1.0.8 driver or? |
| 22:12.36 | M_Cheevy | Sera: ah... sorry, still wrapping my head around morning..... was up till 0300 and the alarm went off at 0900 |
| 22:12.47 | fatal_ | cievo: some parts of the memory a process uses can be swapped out while other memory aren't. |
| 22:12.50 | erik__ | _Terr1: I'm using 1.0.0, I couldn't get 1.0.8 to compile. |
| 22:12.56 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: yeah i was up all night... missed work but they don't really care |
| 22:13.09 | _Terr1 | erik__, aha theres the error then |
| 22:13.13 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: it's finals week so they expect people to forget about work |
| 22:13.17 | cievo | fatal_: can I find out which processes were in that piece of memory... |
| 22:13.18 | M_Cheevy | Sera: luckily the boss called out today so I have the day off.... |
| 22:13.28 | M_Cheevy | Sera: finals... man that takes me back.... |
| 22:13.29 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: nice |
| 22:13.44 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: use tab ;) |
| 22:13.45 | erik__ | _Terr1: http://pastebin.com/462856 |
| 22:13.45 | fatal_ | cievo: why would you want to know? |
| 22:13.46 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I tend to work from home all but an hour a day anyway |
| 22:14.02 | erik__ | _Terr1: But 1.0.0 compiled with no errors like that link. |
| 22:14.06 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I know it's there, I just haven't got into the habit and this dog reserves all his new tricks for his g/f ;) |
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| 22:14.31 | cievo | fatal_: just to know ? :) |
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| 22:14.40 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i really have no response to that.. words won't come |
| 22:14.55 | _Terr1 | erik__, you need to use these firmware drivers http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=4 |
| 22:14.55 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: hahhahaa safer that way I'm sure ;) |
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| 22:15.17 | cievo | fatal_: hmmm...I tried to find out...but no google links :) |
| 22:15.19 | _Terr1 | erik__, version 2.2 |
| 22:15.26 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: ooh ooh baby, complete my tab.. |
| 22:15.29 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: after irc'ing for almost 20yrs some habits are hard to break...... and hard to relearn |
| 22:15.36 | fatal_ | cievo: memory management isn't an easy topic.... there's however a really good paper about linux memory management by mel gorman (IIRC).... try reading that if you're really interested. |
| 22:15.42 | _Terr1 | erik__, version 2.4 firmware only works with driver 1.0.7 and newer |
| 22:16.10 | _Terr1 | erik__, so delete the current firmware in /lib/firmware and place the version 2.2 ones |
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| 22:16.27 | seeds | i get this output when i type dmesg usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using address 3 |
| 22:16.34 | fatal_ | cievo: http://www.skynet.ie/~mel/projects/vm/guide/html/understand/ |
| 22:16.35 | seeds | for a samsung mp3 player |
| 22:16.38 | M_Cheevy | god that's scary... started on the bitnet relay chat in 86... it's really been almost 20yrs... sheeesh |
| 22:16.42 | seeds | how do i mount it? |
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| 22:17.12 | cievo | fatal_: thnx ;) |
| 22:17.14 | SerajewelKS | seeds: use sg_map to look for scsi devices and mount one |
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| 22:17.22 | _Terr1 | erik__, when you done that reload the ipw2200 driver, and it should work |
| 22:17.32 | Laibsch | !java |
| 22:17.33 | dpkg | java is probably Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 22:17.54 | seeds | k |
| 22:18.24 | seeds | said command not found |
| 22:18.29 | _Terr1 | erik__, just be aware that the old driver 1.0.0 dosent support WPA encryption (if you need that) |
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| 22:18.34 | SerajewelKS | seeds: yeah it's in a utils package |
| 22:18.43 | SerajewelKS | seeds: alternatively you can do 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' |
| 22:18.49 | Azar | it is obvious I was never able to understand the way "man" is constructed: I am looking to learn about "top" and it gives me a long list of - options that when I try to apply are not working: example top -p is giving me an error, I do not understand why |
| 22:18.55 | SerajewelKS | seeds: and go through sda, sdb, etc, until you hit something that looks like it |
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| 22:19.00 | Azar | how in fact a man page should be read/understood? |
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| 22:19.43 | Nick0r | anyone who knows a bit about maildir - any idea why my connection with imap would just timeout - and im unable to read emails after my server crashed? |
| 22:19.51 | stew | Azar: top -hv | -bcisS -d delay -n iterations -p pid [, pid ...]; that implies that if you specify -p you must supply at least one pid |
| 22:20.03 | Azar | it says that by default -p is Off : doing a top -P On does not work? |
| 22:20.10 | Azar | ah |
| 22:20.14 | seeds | k |
| 22:20.26 | erik__ | Dec 13 12:19:36 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection |
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| 22:20.30 | erik__ | Dec 13 12:19:36 localhost waproamd.hotplug[9864]: Invoking waproamd for eth1 |
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| 22:20.33 | erik__ | Dec 13 12:19:37 localhost kernel: eth1: duplicate address detected! |
| 22:20.34 | erik__ | awesome...thanks so much _Terr1 I appreciate the help. |
| 22:20.48 | seeds | i see sda1 sda2 sda3 |
| 22:20.55 | _Terr1 | erik__, np! |
| 22:21.17 | nite613 | Hey all. Running sarge with a Promise FastTrack 374 and I think a recent kernel upgrade blew away some initrd magic or somesuch, now I just get "LI" at boot time. Any recommendations? |
| 22:21.21 | SerajewelKS | seeds: if the USB device has three partitions, then that's probably it. otherwise keep looking |
| 22:21.38 | SerajewelKS | nite613: reinstall lilo on the mbr |
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| 22:21.58 | Azar | the "k" (kill while viewing top) prompts me another action say : k 3830 gives me Kill PID 3830 with signal [15]: what is asking me in fact? |
| 22:21.59 | nite613 | SerajewelKS: That's what I'm figuring, but first I need to get access to the drive |
| 22:22.16 | SerajewelKS | nite613: why can't you mount it? |
| 22:22.40 | Azar | man top will never tell me what is going on there... |
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| 22:23.29 | nite613 | SerajewelKS: Well I cant boot the normal system obvious, and I have a knoppix disk which I wanted to boot from then re=init the lilo MBR, however I can't get the drive to show in knoppix. It's a RAID mirror on the FastTrack 374 |
| 22:23.31 | M_Cheevy | nite613: if memory serves, the installation diskette will allow you to do a "mount=/dev/blah blah blah" to get it to boot without lilo |
| 22:23.50 | SerajewelKS | nite613: ah, probably don't have drivers |
| 22:23.53 | M_Cheevy | nite613: SATA RAID? |
| 22:24.08 | SerajewelKS | nite613: i don't know about raid, so i can't help you further, sorry =( |
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| 22:24.16 | nite613 | M_Cheevy: Will that work with the FT? Not SATA I don't think |
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| 22:24.25 | seeds | haven't found it |
| 22:24.33 | SerajewelKS | seeds: hmm |
| 22:24.45 | Nick0r | hmm actually the imap connection is just really slow for no reason, if i use pop3 i can download my emails instantly |
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| 22:25.09 | SerajewelKS | seeds: grep dmesg for 'Attached scsi removable disk' |
| 22:25.27 | SerajewelKS | seeds: and check if the 'sd[a-z]' that it shows is the drive you're after |
| 22:25.38 | M_Cheevy | nite613: I have seen an article on that recently in my searches for installing onto my sata raid... can't get the link right now as it's on the laptop... but do a google on "dmraid boot debian" and that'll start you in the right direction |
| 22:25.41 | seeds | k |
| 22:26.01 | SerajewelKS | seeds: or look in dmesg for the new hardware lines and look for that text around it |
| 22:26.10 | M_Cheevy | nite613: long and short of it, things change from 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 22:26.21 | hendry | i've nuked my machine from a dist-upgrade from unstable last night. It won't boot. The shell doesn't look right. help. :) |
| 22:26.32 | madclicker | hey guys, i have problems with pppoe on sarge. My tcpdump is filled with "ses 0x6a7] IP truncated-ip - 256 bytes missing!" but if i use an MDK router it is not there. Can anyone helpa brother? |
| 22:26.35 | seeds | dmesg |
| 22:26.38 | nite613 | M_Cheevy: Hmmm, yes. I'll keep at it :P |
| 22:26.39 | seeds | sorry |
| 22:27.07 | M_Cheevy | hendry: unstable is just that |
| 22:27.32 | M_Cheevy | nite613: you're doing better than I.. took me three days to get it going with concurrent installs of windows.... |
| 22:27.32 | seeds | dmesg says usb 5-7 using address 3 |
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| 22:28.04 | shew | gnome/mozilla question: On a debian sarge install, when I click on a pdf link in mozilla, I now have the first page of the pdf displayed within mozilla, and the program "mozilla-bonobo-viewer" is running. There are no controls to go from one page to another, or magnify, or anything like that from within this viewer. Any ideas? (Also, while I was setting this up before asking this question, I noticed that if I leave the pdf window ope |
| 22:28.04 | shew | n for a few minutes, mozilla will not do any window updates--I've repeated that problem once just now, but that part of things is new, whereas the embedded-pdf-display showed up immediately on a new sarge install about a month ago.) |
| 22:28.18 | SmerdyOffice | Does anyone know if there is a way to specify resource limits for www-data (the Debian Apache user) in /etc/security/limits.conf? I have a sneaking suspicion that the '-' character in the name is confusing the program that parses limits.conf. |
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| 22:29.04 | evilbulgarian | hi, for some time now i have been getting zone xxx.net/IN: refresh: failure trying master xx.xx.xxx.xxx#53: timed out and now finally it says that all my zones are expired can somone please help? how can i test if my primary dns is working i tried telnet primarydns.blah 53 |
| 22:29.29 | hendry | M_Cheevy: thanks for your help ! |
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| 22:29.41 | hardybm | HI |
| 22:29.53 | M_Cheevy | SmerdyOffice: just thinking abstractly.. create a group for just that user put them in there and then use the group instead of the user.. just don't use a "-" in the group name |
| 22:30.15 | M_Cheevy | hendry: gee it was such an effort on my part ;) |
| 22:30.55 | Guerin | shew: why use a browser to view pdf? why not usse a pdf viewer? |
| 22:31.10 | SmerdyOffice | M_Cheevy, that's a good idea. :-) |
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| 22:31.25 | M_Cheevy | SmerdyOffice: I get them sometimes... rarely admittedly ;) |
| 22:31.31 | shew | guerin: That's what I used to do, but specifying a pdf viewer in mozilla preferences no longer works. |
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| 22:31.41 | shew | New info. |
| 22:31.49 | nuskool | I'm having a problem with gmplayer where in I go to start it and I can see the process running but cannot see any windows drawn on my x server. I get an error that says "Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Invalid argument" but the program seems to run anyway. Can anyone help? |
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| 22:32.04 | shew | The hang I was having in mozilla is due to a large pdf I was using to test just before asking the question, |
| 22:32.16 | debiankid | hi everyone !! |
| 22:32.38 | shew | and I just now, for the first time, (after a month of trying to figure this out), tried hitting page-up and page-down within the mysterious embedded pdf viewer--and that is changing the pages. |
| 22:32.43 | M_Cheevy | shew: that's the thing with pdfs.. it does try to download the whole thing before turning over control.... |
| 22:32.48 | shew | Shame none of this is documented anywhere that I can see. |
| 22:33.00 | debiankid | any1 know here how to run a java program in debian ? |
| 22:33.10 | M_Cheevy | ah.... Etta James... At Last..... |
| 22:33.16 | hardybm | I have removed some font packages (Korean, Japan, Indian). But when I try to use apt-get I get the messsage «You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.». If I run this command the removed packages are installed again. How can I avoid this ? (there is a thing like black_list packages ?) |
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| 22:33.23 | stew | debiankid: java -jar /path/to/jar |
| 22:33.25 | shew | m_cheevy: Well, it displays the first page, lets you scroll around in it, and then after a minute or so mozilla quits doing any screen updates for about 2 minutes. |
| 22:33.44 | debiankid | stew take a look to the error |
| 22:33.57 | debiankid | what is the page to print the error ? |
| 22:34.04 | stew | debiankid: /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:34.06 | xam | evilbulgarian: it seems you have set up your DNS server as a secondary dns server that gets its original data from a master server ('transfers zone information'). Unfortunately it could not contact the master server for a while, so it thinks its dns info is outdated. Use the 'host' and 'dig' commands to test your dns server |
| 22:34.10 | Nick0r | anyone know why an imap connection would be SUPER slow/timeout? |
| 22:34.20 | M_Cheevy | shew: if memory serves I get the same behaviour in winblows.. I think it has to do with the file format itself, not the viewer |
| 22:34.24 | shew | m_cheevy: For now I'm assumming this is a network-hang problem in the random pdf I had chosen, combined with mozilla hanging in the classic waiting-for-dns problem. |
| 22:34.35 | debiankid | ok there i go |
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| 22:35.02 | shew | m_cheevy: I simply assummed that all twenty or what-have-you mozilla windows wouldn't hang because of a wait for one file in one of them. |
| 22:35.39 | shew | m_cheevy: This is of course all orthogonal to the problem that mozilla ignores it's preferences to not use it's built-in pdf viewer. |
| 22:35.41 | M_Cheevy | shew: can't honestly say, have devoted no time on it |
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| 22:36.02 | debiankid | shew take a look http://channels.debian.net/paste/1285 |
| 22:36.08 | shew | "its preferences" |
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| 22:36.14 | debiankid | or somebudy who know about it |
| 22:36.39 | M_Cheevy | shew: no worries, I can read typo ;) |
| 22:36.53 | stew | debiankid: are you trying to run this as a different user than the one who is currently logged into X ? |
| 22:37.13 | stew | debiankid: like root for instance |
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| 22:37.20 | debiankid | ahh |
| 22:37.23 | shew | (Heh. It's just one of my pet peeves...and so kind of irritating when I do it myself. :-) ) |
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| 22:37.28 | stew | debiankid: if so, /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 22:37.41 | M_Cheevy | shew: can dig that. used to be a proofreader myself |
| 22:37.41 | mrnull | Is there a way to see which packages (well, remove) that I've installed today? |
| 22:37.44 | debiankid | ok hehe thanks alot |
| 22:37.51 | stew | mrnull: what version of debian? |
| 22:37.59 | mrnull | stew: etch (testing) |
| 22:37.59 | M_Cheevy | oh man, did I just show my age or what ... "I can dig that" sheesh! |
| 22:38.09 | stew | mrnull: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:38.15 | shew | heh. |
| 22:38.16 | mrnull | stew: awesome.. thanks |
| 22:38.23 | thingfish | M_Cheevy: sounded groovy to me. |
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| 22:38.31 | M_Cheevy | thingfish: bahahaa! |
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| 22:38.42 | M_Cheevy | thingfish: outta sight man! |
| 22:38.46 | shew | m_cheevy: 400 years from now we'll look back at this and laugh. |
| 22:38.49 | thingfish | ;) |
| 22:39.38 | M_Cheevy | shew: hell, I just got a dvd of the old Laugh-In show.... was laughing after just 30yrs let alone 400 |
| 22:40.07 | thingfish | laugh-in was great |
| 22:40.22 | M_Cheevy | thingfish: and that's the truth... pfffffft! |
| 22:40.28 | thingfish | heh |
| 22:40.36 | debiankid | hey thanks i finally made run the program |
| 22:40.43 | M_Cheevy | thingfish: too bad they didn't put any Edith Anne stuff on the dvd |
| 22:40.51 | madclicker | how do i set "CLAMPMSS=1412" in sarge? |
| 22:41.04 | thingfish | M_Cheevy: probably because tomlin has the rights or something. |
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| 22:41.23 | SimonRaven | madclicker: where? pppd, iptables? |
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| 22:41.52 | M_Cheevy | thingfish: that's what I figured |
| 22:42.13 | M_Cheevy | actually, haven't tested to see if the new install can deal with dvds yet....... hmmmm dare I try it? |
| 22:42.14 | shew | m_cheevy: yeah, I (vaguely) remember laugh-in. |
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| 22:43.04 | shew | m_cheevy: Apparently the Carol Burnet Show dvds don't include the live music, as getting the rights to publish it was practically impossible. |
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| 22:43.51 | M_Cheevy | shew: that was a good show.. always remember her tarzan yell |
| 22:43.52 | debiankid | is there existe other kine of proxy program exept squid for debian ? |
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| 22:44.50 | M_Cheevy | I always thought kine was an archaic term for livestock |
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| 22:44.59 | derjohn | debiankid, , apache mod_proxy? pound? |
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| 22:45.11 | Guerin | M_Cheevy: it's an archaic plural form of 'cow', yeah |
| 22:45.17 | sinned | what is the difference in the way characters are displayed to the screen in tab completion vs ls ? |
| 22:45.19 | debiankid | notpe is useless apache |
| 22:45.21 | Guerin | debiankid: privoxy |
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| 22:45.29 | derjohn | debiankid, dante (socks) ? |
| 22:45.30 | debiankid | for me apache mod proxy are useless |
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| 22:45.48 | derjohn | debiankid, for me not. |
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| 22:45.58 | debiankid | privproxy ? i can make new accounts from a father proxy ? |
| 22:46.21 | Guerin | debiankid: rtfm |
| 22:46.44 | SimonRaven | useless, read: i don't know how |
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| 22:46.57 | Guerin | debiankid: squid has MUCH more depth regarding authentication and so |
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| 22:47.11 | debiankid | 4 example i wanna install in my server a proxy but , i wanna access from my debian client without autentication |
| 22:47.15 | SimonRaven | and you can make it auth to ldap, and such |
| 22:47.22 | debiankid | a cascading proxy |
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| 22:47.29 | SimonRaven | oh yeh ok, yet another open proxy.... |
| 22:47.30 | mrnull | Can I pull a variable of a regexp out of grep? ex: ihateyou.txt -- grep -e i(.*)you.txt = hate |
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| 22:48.03 | SimonRaven | sounds like you want awk |
| 22:48.18 | derjohn | mrnull, replace the term by $1 |
| 22:48.26 | derjohn | mrnull, with sed |
| 22:48.49 | SimonRaven | or sed :) |
| 22:49.02 | mrnull | SimonRaven: can you give me a quick example? |
| 22:49.08 | madclicker | SimonRaven, how do i do that? |
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| 22:49.53 | SimonRaven | madclicker: do what? you haven't said what you want to do? |
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| 22:50.05 | SimonRaven | s/$?// |
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| 22:50.42 | SerajewelKS | can i capture sound data going to /dev/dsp and save it to a .wav? |
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| 22:51.13 | SerajewelKS | without just recording the soundcard's built-in loopback. e.g. get the digital data before the soundcard does. |
| 22:51.41 | derjohn | mrnull, echo "foobarfoo" | sed -e "s/foo\(bar\)foo/\1/" |
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| 22:51.50 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: I'd imagine it's possible.. just can't even fathom where I'd start... maybe piping the command? |
| 22:52.25 | derjohn | mrnull, or grep -o, --only-matching show only the part of a line matching PATTERN |
| 22:52.51 | cyberyak | I'm way out here, but could you use dd? as in dd if=/dev/dsp of=something else |
| 22:52.52 | madclicker | SimonRaven, setting clampmms options |
| 22:53.00 | madclicker | clampmss |
| 22:53.04 | stew | SerajewelKS: what is it that you want to capture output from? |
| 22:53.17 | M_Cheevy | cyberyak: that was along the lines I was thinking of.... |
| 22:53.18 | SerajewelKS | stew: vmware |
| 22:53.45 | SerajewelKS | stew: so no, just "saving to a file" isn't an option |
| 22:53.49 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: btw, are you running linux within the vmware? |
| 22:53.56 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: no |
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| 22:54.24 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: ah. okay. that would have quickly explained the nvidia tweak problems you've been having.. worth a shot |
| 22:54.28 | SerajewelKS | stew: i'm thinking some kind of digital loopback provided by the kernel or alsa or whatever |
| 22:54.53 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: lol... even i'm not stupid enough to try nvidia drivers from inside a VM |
| 22:55.05 | litage | how big is a nibble? |
| 22:55.19 | Ronin | smaller then a bite |
| 22:55.23 | SerajewelKS | litage: isn't that a bit? |
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| 22:55.28 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: on this channel ya never know ;) e.g. ma3x ;) |
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| 22:55.39 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: pff, don't associate me with his kind |
| 22:55.42 | MrBallZ | any faq's on how to get the tv out feature working on a nvidia card, laptop its a 420go |
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| 22:55.53 | litage | SerajewelKS: i thought it was 2 bits, but i'm not sure |
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| 22:56.05 | SerajewelKS | litage: yeah me neither. wikipedia might know. |
| 22:56.24 | stew | litage: nibble is 4 bits |
| 22:56.32 | litage | thanks stew |
| 22:56.37 | AllenJB | Init script question: If I specify --user parameter with start-stop-daemon, does that mean started processes will be run under that user? |
| 22:56.38 | badblody | any one have a creative webcam go plus with debian working ? |
| 22:56.48 | M_Cheevy | bbias... seems I need libdvdcss |
| 22:57.17 | stew | SerajewelKS: my guess would be to look up if you could do something in an .asoundrc file, but its just a guess |
| 22:57.17 | xevious | amarok's been removed from etch? |
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| 22:58.18 | stew | xevious: many kde apps were removed to allow the 3.4 transition to take place, it should be back shortly, /msg dpkg why is amarok not in testing |
| 22:58.23 | SerajewelKS | stew: jack would be the obvious solution, but vmware only supports oss =/ |
| 22:58.40 | plbgnr_ | hello, how shall I know how to mount usb mass storage (filesystem,which device) ? (I can't find out these informations from dmesg) |
| 22:58.42 | stew | SerajewelKS: and alsa supports oss too |
| 22:58.55 | stew | plbgnr_: /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 22:59.25 | SerajewelKS | stew: right |
| 22:59.40 | SerajewelKS | !info vsound |
| 23:00.14 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: foo |
| 23:00.15 | dpkg | foo is, like, the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 23:00.26 | SerajewelKS | !info vsound etch |
| 23:00.35 | SerajewelKS | .. |
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| 23:01.30 | SerajewelKS | dpkg is dead |
| 23:01.42 | stew | !hi |
| 23:01.42 | dpkg | hello, stew |
| 23:01.45 | M_Cheevy | bugger.. was just going to ask it where to find libdvdcss |
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| 23:02.01 | M_Cheevy | !find libdvdcss |
| 23:02.04 | stew | M_Cheevy: dpkg wouldn't know, its not in debian. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:02.20 | M_Cheevy | stew: thanks... |
| 23:02.21 | chealer | !libdvdcss |
| 23:02.22 | dpkg | well, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 23:02.29 | SerajewelKS | !info kdebase etch |
| 23:02.41 | SerajewelKS | weird |
| 23:02.46 | stew | SerajewelKS: use pdo |
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| 23:03.12 | SerajewelKS | stew: but dpkg is more fun |
| 23:03.29 | M_Cheevy | hell, I ain't even got libdvdread... |
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| 23:04.34 | daMaestro | how do i bring up the LILO prompt (debian woody) so i can choose and old image |
| 23:04.35 | daMaestro | ? |
| 23:04.36 | tarzeau | would having debs p7zipped save alot of space_ |
| 23:04.39 | tarzeau | ? |
| 23:04.55 | stew | daMaestro: hit the left shift key |
| 23:05.05 | daMaestro | thanks.. i tried tab |
| 23:05.08 | daMaestro | let me try that |
| 23:05.21 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: isn't bz2 > 7z? |
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| 23:05.46 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: no |
| 23:06.05 | penguin_ | Linus Torvalds says to use KDE. Has he lost his mind? |
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| 23:06.08 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i have yet to see something > 7z |
| 23:06.21 | tarzeau | penguin_: at least he doesn't say to use GNOME. |
| 23:06.32 | penguin_ | Actually I have never used KDE |
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| 23:06.54 | chealer | hah, does tarzeau really prefer KDE to gnome? ^_^ |
| 23:06.57 | tarzeau | penguin_: i have tried both, and got sick of both |
| 23:06.59 | cyberyak | he's not going to say use blackbox to bring in new people. |
| 23:07.03 | tarzeau | chealer: you guess |
| 23:07.14 | stew | do we think he wants to bring in new people? |
| 23:07.16 | xevious | KDE has some really convenient features |
| 23:07.19 | cyberyak | I like the KDE apps and blackbox |
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| 23:07.40 | xevious | such as being able to save a file over ssh to a different computer, right in the save as dialog |
| 23:08.02 | cyberyak | I liked enlightenment the most, but they weren't updating it enough. |
| 23:08.08 | penguin_ | I think gnome does that also |
| 23:08.10 | cyberyak | and it wasn't stable. |
| 23:08.11 | mrnull | OK.. so I've very sloppily put all the packages I want to remove into a text file (\n dilemeted.) How do I cycle through this file and remove the packages? |
| 23:08.12 | penguin_ | nautilus |
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| 23:08.33 | chaica | hi |
| 23:08.34 | xevious | right now i'm using xfce and totall digging it |
| 23:08.36 | xevious | it's actually fast |
| 23:08.42 | tarzeau | chealer: at least we get funny comments on /. |
| 23:08.45 | xevious | something gnome and kde definitely can't claim to be |
| 23:08.49 | M_Cheevy | welp here we go... 23MB of download just for watching a dvd...... gotta hate the MPAA |
| 23:08.57 | penguin_ | I am using Gnome because that is what was set up by default |
| 23:09.09 | SerajewelKS | stew: holy crap is vsound ACCURATE |
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| 23:09.33 | bleaked | does anyone know the ETA for firefox 1.5 in sid? or a rep i could grab it from? |
| 23:09.33 | SerajewelKS | stew: i used vsound to capture the output of ogg123. then i used oggdec on the same ogg file, and the two waves are byte-for-byte identical. |
| 23:09.34 | tty | xevious: ever try afterstep ? |
| 23:09.37 | chaica | I'm trying to install a raid 1 sarge from the installation but I have problems partitioning. Moreover I've created a raid device and I'm unable to remove it, do you have any idea how to proceed? |
| 23:09.45 | penguin_ | When will Openoffice 2.0 hit testing? |
| 23:09.49 | chealer | bleaked: why, isn't it already close enough? |
| 23:09.52 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: coolness |
| 23:10.08 | xevious | tty: i haven't liked afterstep since 1.0 |
| 23:10.11 | chealer | penguin_: sooner if it can be untied from the KDE transition. when that happens otherwise |
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| 23:10.22 | stew | mrnull: the packages are one per line? |
| 23:10.27 | AllenJB | Init script question: If I specify --user parameter with start-stop-daemon, does that mean started processes will be run under that user? |
| 23:10.31 | bleaked | chealer. well, there are a bunch of extensions i want that are only 1.5 compatible, so the sooner the better. |
| 23:10.36 | penguin_ | KDE transition? |
| 23:10.36 | mikmu | Hey there, I'm using an adaptec 2400a ATA Raid controller. Sarge works great out of the box with it, but I'm trying to get the management and monitoring utilities workoing. Adaptec of course only releases for redhat and suse. I've aliened the rpm, but when I try to start the daemon, I get error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 Is there any way I can install compatible libraries in sarge and symlink? |
| 23:10.42 | neil__ | please I need brazilian IRC |
| 23:10.43 | mrnull | stew: yup! thanks for your help |
| 23:10.53 | chealer | bleaked: but not rc3-compatible? |
| 23:11.00 | neil__ | preciso acessar um IRC brasileiro |
| 23:11.02 | chealer | !tell neil__ about br |
| 23:11.13 | neil__ | YES |
| 23:11.15 | M_Cheevy | damn, fast there chealer, beat me to it |
| 23:11.20 | tty | mikmu: you ansered your own question i beleive |
| 23:11.26 | debiankid | heheh i got another question is here in debian exist sockscap applications ? |
| 23:11.27 | bleaked | chealer. what? i don't know what you're asking. |
| 23:11.27 | redguy | can anyone tell me how much of performance hit LVM is? |
| 23:11.29 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: vsound sounds like something i would write if i knew crap about oss |
| 23:11.40 | chealer | penguin_: see #debian-kde |
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| 23:11.49 | daMaestro | jelly, you still here? stew, got any help with lilo? |
| 23:11.51 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: i *did* write a preload library for implementing iptables-like rules in userspace though |
| 23:11.52 | stew | mrnull: awk '{print $1 " deinstall"}' < file | dpkg --set-selections ; then run apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 23:11.57 | devicenull | Is there a scp package? |
| 23:11.59 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: fun when you find something like that.... |
| 23:12.04 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: for one specific process |
| 23:12.07 | daMaestro | devicenull, i think that is part of ssh |
| 23:12.14 | chealer | tarzeau: hehe, undoubtedly |
| 23:12.16 | stew | devicenull: its in the ssh package in sarge or openssh-client in etch |
| 23:12.26 | devicenull | okay,thx |
| 23:12.33 | devicenull | I just have to figure out how to activate it then |
| 23:12.47 | stew | daMaestro: if you have a question, just ask it, don't bother asking to ask |
| 23:12.54 | debiankid | umm? |
| 23:12.55 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: if the library is applied to a whole tree (e.g. starting with the window manager) it could theoretically be used to create a zonealarm-like "firewall" in linux. per-application restrictions. |
| 23:12.59 | chealer | bleaked: your extensions are compatible with 1.5 but incompatible with 1.5RC3? |
| 23:13.03 | stew | devicenull: activate it? |
| 23:13.07 | daMaestro | stew, i got my PXE installer loading... however... when i try to boot it... there is no network interface. |
| 23:13.07 | mrnull | stew: you are a god. |
| 23:13.14 | daMaestro | would you please take a look at my lilo? |
| 23:13.15 | tarzeau | chealer: i think we should remove all possitlbe options and parameters and config files |
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| 23:13.17 | mikmu | and the stdc++ lib included with sarge just isn't new enough I guess...6.0.3, and this is asking for 6.1. I figured I'd be safe seeing as how the rpm was for redhat 6.2 |
| 23:13.17 | daMaestro | i now only use grub |
| 23:13.18 | devicenull | actually, I should probably get a scp client first. |
| 23:13.24 | stew | daMaestro: and this PXE installer is trying to boot centos? |
| 23:13.29 | tarzeau | chealer: can you imagine how nice, you install lilo and it works. no confgiuration, no options. |
| 23:13.30 | M_Cheevy | SerajewelKS: sounds cool... got a whoper project coming up myself in the new year.. got to write a bespoke CRM package for an intranet |
| 23:13.45 | SerajewelKS | M_Cheevy: cool. don't know what that is, but it sounds cool. |
| 23:13.51 | daMaestro | stew, ssh |
| 23:13.55 | M_Cheevy | CRM = Customer Relationship Management |
| 23:13.57 | tarzeau | chealer: oh and linux kernel configuration. the users are too dumb to configure kernels |
| 23:14.05 | bleaked | chealer. i never said that. is 1.5 in sid right now? |
| 23:14.10 | daMaestro | stew, it does... just no network |
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| 23:14.20 | daMaestro | and it is a lilo param that i must have mucked up |
| 23:14.34 | chealer | tarzeau: hehe, good luck :) |
| 23:14.38 | stew | daMaestro: go to #centos for help with centos networking |
| 23:14.46 | chealer | bleaked: no. |
| 23:14.57 | chealer | !tell bleaked about info firefox |
| 23:14.58 | daMaestro | yeah. i'm sorry to ask here. it is a lilo issue actaully |
| 23:15.02 | tarzeau | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=171048&cid=14246107 |
| 23:15.05 | bleaked | chealer. then i guess i'm confused about what you're asking me. |
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| 23:15.09 | tarzeau | awww the /. comments on this shit are great |
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| 23:15.29 | madclicker | anyone using sarge as a gateway/firewall system on adsl connection? |
| 23:15.45 | tarzeau | madclicker: yes |
| 23:15.56 | devicenull | hrm |
| 23:16.03 | chealer | bleaked: maybe I'm confused about your problem |
| 23:16.05 | devicenull | apparently scp is abit different the n ftp :) |
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| 23:16.27 | AllenJB | Init scripts: If I specify --user parameter with start-stop-daemon, does that mean started processes will be run under that user? |
| 23:16.29 | madclicker | tarzeau, can you run tcpdump -i $interface to see if you have any "truncated" packets? |
| 23:16.35 | madclicker | please |
| 23:16.42 | bleaked | chealer. i want to install firefox 1.5 and so i was wondering when it would enter in sid. |
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| 23:16.58 | tarzeau | madclicker: oh wait, it's not adsl if you talk about MTU 1500 not being file |
| 23:17.01 | chealer | bleaked: but why is 1.5RC3 not enough? |
| 23:17.15 | bleaked | chealer. wtf is 1.5RC3? |
| 23:17.23 | tarzeau | bleaked: try dillo! it's there now and renders as fast as firefox |
| 23:17.24 | bleaked | chealer. that is not available to me. |
| 23:17.26 | chealer | !tell bleaked about rc |
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| 23:17.33 | tarzeau | bleaked: mozilla-firefox got renamed to dillo |
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| 23:17.45 | chealer | bleaked: note that dillo got renamed to firefox |
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| 23:17.55 | neil__ | ALGUM BRASILEIRO ? |
| 23:17.59 | chealer | !br |
| 23:17.59 | tarzeau | chealer: hey other way around! |
| 23:17.59 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:18.08 | chealer | tarzeau: hahah :-P |
| 23:18.09 | thingfish | I'm telling on you guys for pulling mind games. |
| 23:18.23 | tarzeau | chealer: vi got renamed to emacs |
| 23:18.39 | chealer | tarzeau: emacs got renamed to vim? |
| 23:18.44 | neil__ | Please I need Help about brazilian IRCs |
| 23:18.52 | tarzeau | chealer: vim debian version 5 really is emacs version 23 |
| 23:19.04 | azeem | neil__: /join #debian-br, they know better than we |
| 23:19.08 | tarzeau | chealer: i love the bug fixing of debian and that ugly browser |
| 23:19.12 | jbroome | i think the brazilian ircs have been shut down |
| 23:19.17 | neil__ | thanx azeem |
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| 23:19.22 | thingfish | neil__: entre no #debian-br. |
| 23:19.22 | madclicker | anyone using sarge as a gateway/firewall system on adsl connection? Need help plz |
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| 23:19.36 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: just ask your question. |
| 23:19.36 | jbroome | !tell madclicker about anyone |
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| 23:19.58 | stew | dondelelcaro: !info !depends and the like are now disabled? |
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| 23:20.13 | chealer | tarzeau: isn't vim5 old? |
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| 23:20.16 | bleaked | chealer. ok i see. i had the 'mozilla-firefox' pkg installed. not the 'firefox'. |
| 23:20.24 | devicenull | Is identd requierd for anything? |
| 23:20.28 | devicenull | I see its installed by default |
| 23:20.43 | tarzeau | chealer: i have no idea. why do they even have so many vi versions? with emacs it's so easy. there is ONE emacs |
| 23:20.44 | stew | devicenull: do you mean identd or inetd? |
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| 23:20.48 | dondelelcaro | stew: no, they should work... |
| 23:20.48 | devicenull | ident. |
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| 23:20.53 | dondelelcaro | !+depends mutt |
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| 23:21.01 | devicenull | aka, port 113 |
| 23:21.03 | chealer | tarzeau: 1 emacs, 2 OS-es? :) |
| 23:21.09 | M_Cheevy | brb... reboot |
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| 23:21.26 | CCP0wer | hello |
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| 23:21.30 | AllenJB | Init scripts: If I specify --user parameter with start-stop-daemon, does that mean started processes will be run under that user? |
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| 23:21.37 | tarzeau | chealer: better than 2 modes where you don't visually see what the next keystroke does. type in the leter you press or kill the text |
| 23:22.08 | chealer | tarzeau: but what about uganda? |
| 23:22.20 | tarzeau | chealer: they have ubuntu and gnome-editor |
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| 23:22.43 | tarzeau | chealer: and no options in the print dialog |
| 23:22.44 | madclicker | can someone, who running sarge as a firewall/router over ADSL run tcpdump -i "$physical interface" to see if you have any "truncated" packets? |
| 23:22.53 | chealer | got to go |
| 23:22.55 | tarzeau | chealer: and they don't need a keyboard, since typeing letters in the file selector isn't possible anymore |
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| 23:23.12 | tarzeau | madclicker: can you stop repeating? |
| 23:23.24 | dondelelcaro | !+depends mutt |
| 23:23.28 | tarzeau | madclicker: if someone could, he'd probably done it already. obviously somebody can not do it |
| 23:23.29 | dpkg | mutt: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libdb4.3 (>= 4.3.28-1), libgnutls12 (>= 1.2.5), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-5), libsasl2 (>= 2.1.19), exim4 | mail-transport-agent |
| 23:23.42 | dondelelcaro | damn shm bug |
| 23:23.45 | stew | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks |
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| 23:24.19 | madclicker | tarzeau, noone is running pppoe on sarge cause its shitty i guess |
| 23:24.31 | SerajewelKS | madclicker: you haven't asked a valid question yet |
| 23:24.36 | tarzeau | madclicker: try sid |
| 23:24.39 | daMaestro | how do i install grub on debian woody? |
| 23:24.40 | jbroome | or they were smart enough to skip dsl all together. :) |
| 23:24.47 | tarzeau | daMaestro: woody? |
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| 23:25.00 | brady | any recommendations on a usb-to-wireless-network device for linux? |
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| 23:25.08 | stew | daMaestro: /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 23:25.11 | daMaestro | tarzeau, hah yeah. |
| 23:25.13 | LadyNikon | whats the current release of debian? |
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| 23:25.20 | tarzeau | brady: any usb network device is piece of plastic |
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| 23:25.25 | thingfish | LadyNikon: 3.1r0a |
| 23:25.30 | tarzeau | brady: really don't bother, will only cause problems |
| 23:25.31 | daMaestro | sarge |
| 23:25.34 | LadyNikon | thanks |
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| 23:25.41 | madclicker | SerajewelKS, i keep getting "truncated IP" when doing tcpdump on the physical interface for adsl, and it only happens on sarge systems |
| 23:25.45 | tarzeau | daMaestro: heh, get sarge or sid |
| 23:25.59 | brady | tarzeau, sad. i have an ibook g4 with a broadcom chip. |
| 23:26.03 | row- | iptables -t nat -I CUSTOMPREROUTING -o ppp0 -d xx.xx.xx.180 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.50 <-- is there something wrong with that rule or something, I can't get it to work? |
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| 23:26.18 | tarzeau | brady: i've got an ibook too, why can't you use the ethernet? |
| 23:26.34 | humboldt | how can I set an environment var for apache? a persistant one? /etc/environment does not seem to have any effect. Is there something similar or is the only way to edit the ini.d script? |
| 23:26.42 | SerajewelKS | madclicker: physical as in eth0, or as in the pppoe interface? |
| 23:26.52 | brady | tarzeau, oh, of course the ethernet works. i would also like the wireless to work. |
| 23:27.09 | madclicker | SerajewelKS, the "ethX" interface |
| 23:27.22 | tarzeau | brady: tried #debianppc yet? |
| 23:27.30 | jbroome | brady: i have a netgear ma101 with atmel chipset that works |
| 23:27.38 | madclicker | SerajewelKS, the "ethX" interface that the dsl modem is connected to |
| 23:27.45 | tarzeau | brady: i will use wireless when the powercables can be wireless too |
| 23:27.56 | SerajewelKS | madclicker: which kernel are you using |
| 23:28.07 | madclicker | SerajewelKS, sarge 2.6 default |
| 23:28.28 | madclicker | SerajewelKS, .6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 23:28.30 | madclicker | SerajewelKS, 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 23:28.33 | brady | tarzeau, do you have ibook g4, and if so, does sleep work for you? |
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| 23:28.40 | hawking | How can i get a curses library? |
| 23:28.42 | SerajewelKS | madclicker: might be worth trying a 2.4 kernel |
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| 23:28.57 | mrnull | Why would a camera show up when I lsusb in root, but not with reg user? How can I fix this? |
| 23:28.59 | lakcaj | So, have many people been having issues with dhcp all of a sudden not working today? |
| 23:28.59 | xevious | any idea why xorgconfig might have disabled DGA? |
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| 23:28.59 | SerajewelKS | hawking: swear a the librarian? |
| 23:29.00 | stew | hawking: for make menuconfig? libncurses5-dev |
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| 23:29.04 | SerajewelKS | at* |
| 23:29.22 | madclicker | SerajewelKS, thanks I will |
| 23:29.23 | hawking | SerajewelKS : thanks for the correction |
| 23:29.26 | tarzeau | brady: got the g3 700, and yes sleep works |
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| 23:29.37 | SerajewelKS | !tell lakcaj about anyone |
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| 23:29.42 | tarzeau | lakcaj: which dhcp? |
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| 23:30.04 | brady | tarzeau, yeah, i have a g3 500 and everything works beautifully. but my g4 is another story. |
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| 23:30.45 | hawking | stew : I need it to compile alsa-util |
| 23:30.55 | lakcaj | tarzeau: getting an ip via dhcp. I had two machines, with completely different hardware, in two different cities, and two different ISPs, spontaneously have dhcp stop working |
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| 23:31.12 | debiankid | brb |
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| 23:31.18 | stew | hawking: apt-get build-dep alsa-util |
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| 23:32.19 | hawking | and after ALL I have sound!!!! |
| 23:32.19 | hawking | :D :D :D |
| 23:32.19 | tarzeau | brady: i have a girlfriend, everything works beautifully |
| 23:32.19 | hawking | I knew I was doin the right thing :) |
| 23:32.19 | tarzeau | lakcaj: which dhcp client? |
| 23:32.19 | tarzeau | lakcaj: debian has 20 dhcp clients |
| 23:32.42 | tarzeau | lakcaj: in sarge at least one sucks, it dies when dns goes away |
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| 23:32.46 | lakcaj | dhcp-client. On both machines, a sit0 appeared in ifconfig -a. |
| 23:32.54 | tarzeau | lakcaj: which sucks badly. badly. badly. i still wonder why debian broke it |
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| 23:33.06 | SimonRaven | ignore sit0 |
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| 23:33.12 | tarzeau | IT SUCKS TO RUN AFTER MACHINES BECAUSE OF BROKEN DHCP |
| 23:33.14 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 23:33.18 | hawking | is there any repository from which I can get w32 codecs and java? |
| 23:33.19 | tarzeau | ahhh feels that good |
| 23:33.27 | tarzeau | hawking: sure |
| 23:33.33 | MrEntropy | my screen in xorg keeps blanking out to black after a while, how can i turn that off? |
| 23:33.35 | lakcaj | !tell hawking about marillat |
| 23:33.37 | tarzeau | hawking: not from debian |
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| 23:33.42 | stew | MrEntropy: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
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| 23:34.10 | hawking | lakcaj thx |
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| 23:34.17 | CCP0wer | i need to know how to limit user access from linux root |
| 23:34.22 | stew | hawking: and debian-unofficial.org for java |
| 23:34.27 | vincent` | ccpower: limit in what way ? |
| 23:34.36 | MrEntropy | stew: thanks |
| 23:34.39 | stew | CCP0wer: can you be more specific? |
| 23:34.48 | daMaestro | why is my network not avail when i boot to the PXE image? stupid lilo. |
| 23:34.59 | tarzeau | daMaestro: what nic? |
| 23:35.08 | tarzeau | daMaestro: what kernel? |
| 23:35.09 | lakcaj | tarzeau: what dhcp client do you recommend, and how do I simply apt-get remove dhcp-client and install the new one? |
| 23:35.20 | tarzeau | lakcaj: any that doesn't die |
| 23:35.31 | lakcaj | tarzeau: name one, just one :) |
| 23:35.34 | mrnull | Ugh, I can't figure this out. How come root can see usb devices that I can't? Where would I set permissions for that? |
| 23:35.39 | daMaestro | shows up as eth0 |
| 23:35.39 | tarzeau | lakcaj: installing the new one should conflict the old one, maybe. try apt-cache search dhcp |
| 23:35.46 | daMaestro | i will check dmesg after my apt finishes |
| 23:35.48 | lakcaj | ok, thanks |
| 23:35.53 | tarzeau | mrnull: which devices are that? |
| 23:36.01 | tarzeau | daMaestro: who is the manufacturer |
| 23:36.02 | stew | mrnull: read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2 |
| 23:36.09 | tarzeau | daMaestro: all ethernet nics in linux show up as eth |
| 23:36.11 | mrnull | tarzeau: a camera. But I'm part of the 'video' group |
| 23:36.20 | tarzeau | mrnull: it's probably disk |
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| 23:36.27 | tarzeau | mrnull: OR gphoto2 and needs special software |
| 23:36.32 | tarzeau | mrnull: say, camera.app |
| 23:36.39 | daMaestro | 00:0e.0: 3Com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0xdc00. Vers LK1.1.16 |
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| 23:36.59 | leahpar_on | hello, do you known if the bug 340891 is in the linux-image-2.6 |
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| 23:37.14 | mrnull | Ok. So I just need to add myself to camera? |
| 23:37.24 | tarzeau | mrnull: no, disk. what camera is it? |
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| 23:37.33 | tarzeau | but hey you really want to use sudo instead |
| 23:37.34 | EvilSporkMan | on installing what i'm pretty sure is most of kde (kde-core and anything else that looked relevant), starting up kde results in a dialog with the error Unable to start process Unable to start io-slave klauncher said unknown protocol 'file' |
| 23:37.44 | tarzeau | or just change the group of the right sd* |
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| 23:37.51 | devicenull | hrm.. anyone have suggestions for a decent firewall? |
| 23:37.53 | EvilSporkMan | can't run any programs from the KDE run menu either...i've fired up icewm to get help |
| 23:37.56 | EvilSporkMan | devicenull: iptables? |
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| 23:38.15 | devicenull | ah |
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| 23:38.27 | devicenull | I kept thinking it was ipchains.. but thats installed but unworking |
| 23:38.51 | EvilSporkMan | devicenull: ipchains was for linux 2.2 or 2.4, can't remember which |
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| 23:38.53 | tarzeau | devicenull: ipchains is for 2.2 linux kernels |
| 23:38.55 | EdLin | devicenull: kernel version 2.2 = ipchains 2.4 + 2.6 = iptables |
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| 23:39.08 | stew | 2.4 + 2.6 = 5 |
| 23:39.11 | devicenull | lol |
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| 23:39.19 | tarzeau | stew: freebsd is 5.4 |
| 23:39.20 | MechaJesusZ | stew: does it? does it really? |
| 23:39.24 | MechaJesusZ | wha's it in base 5 I wonder |
| 23:39.25 | EdLin | stew: yeah, I realized that |
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| 23:39.34 | daMaestro | ok.. i installed grub via apt-get |
| 23:39.40 | daMaestro | now what? |
| 23:39.41 | daMaestro | lol |
| 23:39.43 | devicenull | that very well be, but ipchains is apparently installed by default w/ 2.4 kernels |
| 23:39.50 | tarzeau | daMaestro: you da 1337! |
| 23:39.50 | EdLin | tarzeau: actually, fbsd is 6.0 now |
| 23:39.55 | stew | daMaestro: did you read /msg dpkg lilo->grub ? |
| 23:40.00 | tarzeau | EdLin: for gnu/kfreebsd it's still 5.4 |
| 23:40.00 | EvilSporkMan | so is kde broken in testing? (not just the metapackage) |
| 23:40.04 | Faithful | will gigabit network run on cat5e ? |
| 23:40.10 | jbroome | yes |
| 23:40.16 | vincent` | Faithful: yep |
| 23:40.18 | EdLin | tarzeau: they should upgrade, 6.0 is a lot more stable |
| 23:40.19 | daMaestro | stew, what where? |
| 23:40.24 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: testing is broken |
| 23:40.27 | jbroome | (gigibit on 5e, dunno about KDE being broken) |
| 23:40.27 | stew | !tell daMaestro about lilo->grub |
| 23:40.31 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: try sid, maybe they just fixed it |
| 23:40.32 | daMaestro | sweet thanks |
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| 23:40.44 | tarzeau | EdLin: there are packages, just not yet on the repo |
| 23:41.18 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: no thanks; i'm a college student == no time to put up with sid |
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| 23:41.33 | EvilSporkMan | i assume you mean kde, not the entirety of testing? |
| 23:41.52 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: i don't see how someone can have time for testing but not sid |
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| 23:42.04 | daMaestro | stew, there is no /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 23:42.13 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: sid is good. testing is good to quickly fix broken bad quality software in sid |
| 23:42.26 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: testing almost always works? I was having no trouble with gnome, decided to try kde, and discovered that kde's borked |
| 23:42.30 | EdLin | EvilSporkMan: if you want stability you should run Sarge |
| 23:42.36 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: sid almost always works! |
| 23:42.43 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: i've hardly had a moment where it didn't work for me |
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| 23:43.02 | EvilSporkMan | EdLin, tarzeau: nothing i use actually broke out from under me |
| 23:43.06 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: i don't rememeber a day where testing worked for me |
| 23:43.20 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: did you do upgrades daily? |
| 23:43.26 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: yep. |
| 23:43.27 | EdLin | tarzeau: when testing was Sarge it was OK |
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| 23:43.35 | MrEntropy | stew: where would you recommend putting it so it's set at startup? ~/.xsession? |
| 23:43.47 | tarzeau | EdLin: haha |
| 23:43.52 | stew | daMaestro: that's odd maybe it wasn't there by default on woody. you are on woody right? |
| 23:43.58 | tarzeau | EdLin: so was sid |
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| 23:44.09 | stew | MrEntropy: yeah |
| 23:44.18 | tarzeau | EdLin: before testing was released, sid wasn't able to get broken either |
| 23:44.19 | M_Cheevy | re folks... dvd's playing now.... |
| 23:44.24 | MrEntropy | stew: excellent |
| 23:44.32 | daMaestro | stew, yes |
| 23:44.35 | tarzeau | EdLin: and sid was better than testing, even then |
| 23:44.38 | stew | MrEntropy: before you window manager loads of course |
| 23:45.17 | EdLin | tarzeau: I see you're not a fan of testing. :) |
| 23:45.17 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: basically the reason for testing over sid is it doesn't go through big transitions piecemeal...i hate paying attention to what's going on in the distro on a regular basis to know if i can update; that's why i don't run gentoo anymore (well, other than not wasting time compiling) |
| 23:45.20 | stew | daMaestro: and what version of grub is intalled now? |
| 23:45.28 | devicenull | how do I see what program is listenin on a sepcific port |
| 23:45.31 | EvilSporkMan | s/regular/daily |
| 23:45.37 | stew | devicenull: /mgs dpkg open ports |
| 23:45.37 | EvilSporkMan | devicenull: netstat -plt as root |
| 23:45.47 | daMaestro | grub (GNU GRUB 0.95) |
| 23:45.50 | M_Cheevy | well, sound is a little muffled but..... |
| 23:45.51 | EvilSporkMan | wow, pwnt by dpkg |
| 23:46.08 | devicenull | hrm |
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| 23:46.20 | devicenull | inetd is listening on 113.. is that actually needed? |
| 23:46.21 | stew | daMaestro: you really shouldn't be mixing woody with sarge. /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 23:46.47 | M_Cheevy | bobbitt is the keyword?? as in Lorena?? |
| 23:46.55 | stew | !bobbitt |
| 23:46.56 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 23:47.00 | daMaestro | stew, i got that from apt-get on woody |
| 23:47.05 | M_Cheevy | bahahahahahahahah! |
| 23:47.10 | stew | !info grub woody |
| 23:47.13 | tarzeau | EdLin: testing is just not good for users |
| 23:47.17 | dpkg | grub: (GRand Unified Bootloader), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.91-2 (woody), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 492 kB |
| 23:47.22 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: oh yes it goes |
| 23:47.28 | stew | daMaestro: you would have gotten 91-2 from woody |
| 23:47.32 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: and nobody says you have to upgrade daily, when using sid |
| 23:47.57 | daMaestro | oh great |
| 23:47.57 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: how should i know when to upgrade then? also, i'm on AMD64...isn't sid amd64 dodgy? |
| 23:48.10 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: it's like when you know if you should eat or not |
| 23:48.11 | stew | daMaestro: do you realize that "stable" is no longer woody? |
| 23:48.14 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: when you get hungry you eat |
| 23:48.16 | daMaestro | 100% |
| 23:48.21 | daMaestro | this is an old server |
| 23:48.22 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: it's some feeling, that you get. you don't think about it |
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| 23:48.34 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: i eat about 3x/day ;) |
| 23:48.42 | daMaestro | i am just trying to get it to boot this damn PXE image |
| 23:48.50 | daMaestro | i mean lilo boots it... just no networking |
| 23:48.59 | daMaestro | and that is the entire point |
| 23:49.02 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: it's not related to frequency |
| 23:49.09 | stew | daMaestro: what version does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" report? |
| 23:49.15 | SimonRaven | devicenull: no, it's for ident (getent services 113). if you remove that, make sure to set an iptables rule for that port to REJECT otherwise - say conn. to freenode - will take a long time |
| 23:49.19 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: i know, now i'm just being contrary |
| 23:49.20 | daMaestro | yeah... i think i just rocked my libc |
| 23:49.26 | daMaestro | in the install of grub |
| 23:49.38 | devicenull | SimonRaven, the machine is already behind a nat router. |
| 23:49.39 | stew | daMaestro: what version? |
| 23:49.45 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: the problem is that there's no way for me to go "ho shit, time to go back to testing" when the release nears |
| 23:49.46 | devicenull | so its not like freenode could see it anyway |
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| 23:49.50 | daMaestro | 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 23:50.02 | stew | daMaestro: yeah, thats sarge |
| 23:50.04 | hawking | how can i unmute something in alsamixer? ( I use it from command line) |
| 23:50.05 | EvilSporkMan | at least everytime someone comes here about downgrading they get told how dubious that is |
| 23:50.11 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: i always say either drive stable or sid |
| 23:50.13 | philips | hawking: m |
| 23:50.22 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: hot or cold. love or not. |
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| 23:50.26 | SimonRaven | what i said doesn't change. |
| 23:50.33 | daMaestro | damn |
| 23:50.37 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: now if only could apt-get women ;) |
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| 23:50.59 | daMaestro | stew, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/w3Q8G672.html |
| 23:51.08 | hawking | philips : thx |
| 23:51.16 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: try apt-get moo |
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| 23:51.44 | stew | daMaestro: yes, that is sarge |
| 23:51.44 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: cows are not women... |
| 23:51.49 | Mr_Rock | hi, i want to know where can i download the new debian with graphical installation |
| 23:52.01 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: women are not cows? |
| 23:52.05 | hawking | what packages should i install to watch divx movies? is w32codecs enough? |
| 23:52.09 | daMaestro | 2.4.21hyde #1 Tue Jul 15 11:13:52 MDT 2003 i686 unknown |
| 23:52.09 | mikmu | I was very dissapointed to learn that aptitude has no super cow powers |
| 23:52.30 | M_Cheevy | daMaestro: did you try doing a quick search of divx in Synaptic or some other package manager? |
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| 23:52.32 | SimonRaven | Mr_Rock: etch d-i |
| 23:52.33 | mikmu | is aptitude supposed to replace apt-get? |
| 23:52.33 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: both are female mammals |
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| 23:52.44 | Qoco | hey.. i just activated twinview. unfortunately the tft of my notebook is the secondary display and the external crt-display is the primary one. it should be vice versa.. so how can i change that? |
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| 23:52.52 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: yes but only one is of my species, and it's not the cow |
| 23:52.52 | SimonRaven | mikmu: no |
| 23:53.03 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: i can't check this |
| 23:53.08 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: #debian: where some dev will get into a pointless argument with you about anything =D |
| 23:53.27 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: are you a dev? |
| 23:53.32 | Mr_Rock | SimonRaven but i want to download the new cd |
| 23:53.43 | devicenull | whats rpc.statd |
| 23:53.47 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: no, thought you were. I really should be...I'm now officially a college student so i don't have an excuse for not being OSS-active |
| 23:53.48 | daMaestro | stew, that sucks... i don't think it IS sarge.. just has some sarge components |
| 23:53.49 | Mr_Rock | i read something on the net |
| 23:53.51 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: no i'm not |
| 23:54.08 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: why do you call it oss when you mean free software? |
| 23:54.08 | vincent` | hrm is there a way to md5sum a dir and all it's files ? |
| 23:54.14 | tarzeau | vincent`: sure |
| 23:54.20 | SimonRaven | Mr_Rock: yes, and? |
| 23:54.30 | Mr_Rock | where can i download it |
| 23:54.38 | EdLin | !tarzeau++ |
| 23:54.39 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: good question; probably because FS is "filesystem" |
| 23:54.42 | vincent` | tarzeau: enlighten me |
| 23:54.42 | stew | daMaestro: and one of those componends being the shared library that all programs written in c are dependent on, which is a lot |
| 23:54.51 | SimonRaven | www.debian.org |
| 23:54.53 | tarzeau | !k |
| 23:54.53 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 23:54.54 | Mr_Rock | to see how good for nonexperts is |
| 23:54.56 | daMaestro | stew, the server needs to be rebuilt... that is what i am trying to do |
| 23:55.08 | mrnull | phew.. got my camera set up. how hard is that? |
| 23:55.12 | stew | daMaestro: /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; <-- finish the upgrade to stable |
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| 23:55.16 | tarzeau | vincent`: recursively or not? with .files or not? |
| 23:55.34 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: that is the _worst_ pun ever |
| 23:55.34 | tarzeau | vincent`: have you heard of *? |
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| 23:55.54 | tarzeau | !factinfo k |
| 23:55.54 | dpkg | k -- last modified at Thu Nov 18 06:21:09 2004 by Guerin!~magpie@220.123.169.70; it has been requested 97 times, last by woodland at Fri Oct 21 06:21:20 2005. |
| 23:55.58 | vincent` | tarzeau: well i just 'tar cf - dir/ | ssh server "tar xf -"' some files to another server, i want to make sure they all transferred alright so i can delete them from the first server |
| 23:56.02 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:56.03 | dpkg | <nevyn_> lazybone: DIE <lazybone> nevyn_: What is DIE? |
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| 23:56.23 | tarzeau | vincent`: you are really funny |
| 23:56.28 | M_Cheevy | rehi loopdee |
| 23:56.33 | devicenull | Whats rpc-statd, and how can I disable it |
| 23:56.37 | tarzeau | vincent`: why don't you just md5sum * ? |
| 23:56.41 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: hello |
| 23:56.42 | tarzeau | vincent`: on both then diff the outputs? |
| 23:56.52 | cmatheson | i want to install debian alongside my current distro (ubuntu). i re-sized my partition w/ parted (on the debian install cd)... anyway, the file-system is smaller now, but not the partition. do i have to use fdisk to resize the partition? |
| 23:56.55 | vincent` | hm good point |
| 23:56.57 | vincent` | thx |
| 23:57.16 | EdLin | !thx |
| 23:57.16 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 23:58.01 | Guerin | cmatheson: yes. |
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| 23:58.04 | SimonRaven | devicenull: it's for nfs |
| 23:58.06 | vincent` | well tar it doesn't like the directories, should i make it recurse or is there a better way |
| 23:58.07 | Guerin | cmatheson: pray for your data |
| 23:58.13 | loopdee | time to fiddle with some things some more |
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| 23:58.19 | tarzeau | vincent`: rsync -av here/ there/ |
| 23:58.21 | SimonRaven | AFfuckingK |
| 23:58.22 | devicenull | Okay.. I dont actually use nfs |
| 23:58.27 | cmatheson | Guerin: gwarg. is there a way to tell it megabytes instead of stinking block numbers? |
| 23:58.35 | Guerin | cmatheson: dunno |
| 23:58.51 | vincent` | hrm rsync does integrity checking, right |
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| 23:58.56 | Azar | since I have over 57 installations at my active should I be having the right do write a Debian installation tutorial? |
| 23:59.16 | tarzeau | vincent`: well it does write() and if it fails, it probably tells you, something |
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| 23:59.33 | vincent` | heh probably isn't good enough =P |
| 23:59.36 | thingfish | Azar: sure, as long as you've installed each time on separate machines. |
| 23:59.39 | thingfish | :) |
| 23:59.44 | bucky | Azar, do one for LVM over raid |
| 23:59.46 | cmatheson | or can i resize a partition w/ cfdisk while it's mounted (i'm assuming that would be very stupid...) |
| 23:59.47 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: know the feeling, just got dvds playing myself.... |
| 23:59.48 | Azar | haha |
| 23:59.54 | pietro_ | hi,what is one distribution of linux fort one imac g5? |
| 23:59.59 | tarzeau | vincent`: good enough, but keep the data at several places if it's really that important |
