| 00:00.08 | Guerin | cmatheson: it would be, and you'd need to reboot before the partition table could be rewritten |
| 00:00.12 | pietro_ | hi,what is one distribution of linux for one imac g5? |
| 00:00.13 | Guerin | err, reread |
| 00:00.15 | vincent` | yeah basically, it's huge and i'm short disk space |
| 00:00.18 | Guerin | pietro_: debian |
| 00:00.20 | thingfish | pietro_: Debian has a ppc version. |
| 00:00.21 | Azar | I will write one for new users, and will start with Woody going up to Sarge |
| 00:00.22 | tarzeau | pietro_: stop repeating. #debianppc |
| 00:00.23 | TNKS | Hi all. I'm trying to figure out why /etc/X11/Xsession doesn't manage keyboard mappings by default. gdm does seem to, but it's not in Xsession. Actually, I'm also curious, is xmodmap or xkb the recommended for keyboard mapping? |
| 00:00.35 | tarzeau | pietro_: why do you want to run shi on a g5, when you can run os x? |
| 00:00.40 | Guerin | Azar: why? nobody is installing woody tyhese days. |
| 00:00.45 | cyberyak | osX |
| 00:00.48 | Guerin | tarzeau: because OSX is shit? |
| 00:00.48 | tarzeau | thingfish: linux on g5 is bullshit |
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| 00:00.52 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: I don't think I will ever get this dv camera working, its wierd how all my devices are detected but cannot make prover /dev for use... or maybe it does... heh |
| 00:00.53 | tarzeau | Guerin: not for g5 |
| 00:01.01 | tarzeau | Guerin: but yes it's worse than OPENSTEP |
| 00:01.01 | thingfish | tarzeau: is it? |
| 00:01.02 | Guerin | tarzeau: you lie |
| 00:01.04 | pietro_ | not run in imac g5 ,i have installed and not goodfinish(sorry for my bad english) |
| 00:01.09 | pietro_ | is one experiment |
| 00:01.10 | cmatheson | Guerin: ok, i'll just read the fdisk manpage |
| 00:01.14 | tarzeau | Guerin: pity apple don't ship openstep alternatively to OS X bloatware |
| 00:01.17 | tarzeau | thingfish: yes it is |
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| 00:01.34 | Guerin | tarzeau: pity apple don't cater to anyone who's not already a confimed mactard |
| 00:01.44 | thingfish | boy really |
| 00:01.47 | M_Cheevy | loopdee: haven't even tried the dv camera yet... the still one's gonna be enough of bitch.. sony ain't all that great on user support |
| 00:01.50 | EvilSporkMan | !mactard |
| 00:01.52 | Guerin | think different ... think the same as us |
| 00:01.57 | tarzeau | Guerin: they should have stopped the so called idiot users (mac os 1..9) |
| 00:02.02 | Azar | Guerin, in my experience Sarge installer did not allways worked ok, so with a Woody CD start and a Sarge packages install from apt goes pretty nice |
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| 00:02.05 | cyberyak | I'd try one of the BSD variants. Isn't OSX just a Desktop environment on BSD |
| 00:02.10 | tarzeau | Guerin: and not taken over the broken gui crap into os x |
| 00:02.23 | tarzeau | Guerin: which lowered badly the quality of osx |
| 00:02.26 | loopdee | its wierd, everytime i power off and on my printer, or plug it in a different port, its device number changes... and i have to go in /proc/bus/usb and locate the device file and chmod a+rw to it |
| 00:02.36 | tarzeau | cyberyak: no, it's more |
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| 00:02.55 | loopdee | M_Cheevy: i got a panasonic one |
| 00:02.56 | tarzeau | cyberyak: it's a portable API to write general software object oriented (gui and non'gui) |
| 00:03.13 | Azar | the worse thing can happen to a newbie is to have installation borks then being told to "fix" it. A newbie is a newbie he cannot "fix" stuff. |
| 00:03.14 | tarzeau | cyberyak: besides it's just BSD userland ona microkernel |
| 00:03.16 | cyberyak | on top of bsd |
| 00:03.16 | devicenull | do I actually need a smtp server running? |
| 00:03.18 | tarzeau | cyberyak: BSD is dead |
| 00:03.23 | tarzeau | cyberyak: man it's DEAD |
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| 00:03.28 | pietro_ | gentoo is tested for imacg5? |
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| 00:03.35 | tarzeau | pietro_: who cares, here? |
| 00:03.42 | vincent` | bsd is not dead |
| 00:03.44 | pietro_ | what is one distribution tested for g5? |
| 00:03.45 | vincent` | dragonfly is very alive |
| 00:03.48 | tarzeau | vincent`: BSD IS DEAD |
| 00:03.48 | vincent` | and doing some cool things |
| 00:03.49 | vincent` | please |
| 00:03.55 | cyberyak | hey! we helped a guy with an Alpha earlier |
| 00:03.56 | EvilSporkMan | pietro_: gentoo is tested? |
| 00:03.58 | tarzeau | vincent`: dragonfly is for necrophiliacs |
| 00:03.59 | devicenull | exim4 is the only thing listening now that I dont want to be listening |
| 00:04.07 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: of course not |
| 00:04.25 | tarzeau | pietro_: mac os x |
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| 00:04.29 | thingfish | I saw an ad once from a company selling yellow dog on G5s. |
| 00:04.37 | tarzeau | pietro_: why the fuck do you have a g5 when you don't want os x? |
| 00:04.43 | tarzeau | thingfish: morons |
| 00:04.54 | tarzeau | what fucktard would want gnome or kde bullshit on a g5? |
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| 00:05.04 | hawking | let's say I update the kernel ... do i have to install the drivers again? |
| 00:05.04 | gravity | tarzeau: Calm down |
| 00:05.05 | dondelelcaro | no reason not to run Debian on the thing |
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| 00:05.16 | pietro_ | .. |
| 00:05.17 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: if you can |
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| 00:05.17 | relaxed | they like the hardware moron. |
| 00:05.30 | M_Cheevy | back in a bit.... |
| 00:05.30 | pietro_ | i am a newbye |
| 00:05.37 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I'd considered that too |
| 00:05.42 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: powerbooks nor any other apple laptops have a g5 |
| 00:05.46 | gravity | I removed tiger from my old G3 and put Debian on it |
| 00:05.47 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: we're all talking G5 here |
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| 00:05.54 | tarzeau | gravity: G5 MAN! G5 |
| 00:06.00 | pietro_ | yellow dog is only buy for cash,not gratis? |
| 00:06.03 | tarzeau | are you nuts? 3 is not 5, 5 is not 4 |
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| 00:06.11 | daemon | hello friends |
| 00:06.11 | tarzeau | pietro_: #yellowdog |
| 00:06.14 | pietro_ | not 2+2=5 |
| 00:06.17 | pietro_ | ok |
| 00:06.27 | Fear_cult | anyone succesfully install a lexmark z22 |
| 00:06.34 | pietro_ | d you now "ironia" |
| 00:06.37 | daemon | do you know how change locales in Fedora Core ? i know that in debian is dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:06.41 | daMaestro | stew, i think i maybe should have used literal= not append= |
| 00:06.43 | pietro_ | do you now "ironia"? |
| 00:06.50 | daemon | do you know wich is the procedure in fedora ? |
| 00:07.01 | thingfish | daemon: here's an idea. Ask in #fedora. |
| 00:07.05 | gravity | tarzeau: It's all about the software. The chip doesn't mean jack. |
| 00:07.13 | gravity | Welcome to 1998 |
| 00:07.16 | tarzeau | gravity: you don't get it |
| 00:07.16 | daemon | yep I tried to use fedora channel but |
| 00:07.18 | daemon | sucks |
| 00:07.37 | bucky | daemon, sorry comrade |
| 00:07.39 | gravity | daemon: Doesn't matter. Sorry. |
| 00:07.48 | daemon | thanks |
| 00:07.58 | tarzeau | gravity: linux just doesn't support some hardware. period. |
| 00:07.59 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: it's not like you can't run Debian on the G5 either. |
| 00:08.05 | daemon | perhaps I should reinstall this server with debian |
| 00:08.07 | bucky | daemon, #linuxhelp or #linux |
| 00:08.10 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: did i say you can? |
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| 00:08.18 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: oh wait, can you on all g5? |
| 00:08.19 | thingfish | daemon: now that's an excellent idea. |
| 00:08.30 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: those that I've heard about, yes. |
| 00:08.34 | daemon | well thanks and see you around |
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| 00:08.39 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: those that i've heard about, no. |
| 00:08.39 | bucky | !tell daemon about d-i |
| 00:08.40 | thingfish | daemon: being as fedora sucks so much. |
| 00:09.06 | thingfish | Well, I guess it doesn't suck, I mean if you like bugs. |
| 00:09.32 | gravity | tarzeau: The ppc64 port is generally considered to be batshit insane, so the classic ppc port should work wonderfully on a G5 from what I've heard |
| 00:09.39 | hawking | let's say I update the kernel ... do i have to install the drivers again? |
| 00:09.54 | stew | hawking: yes |
| 00:09.55 | tarzeau | hawking: yes. don't repeat |
| 00:10.01 | hawking | tarzeau : ok thanks |
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| 00:10.14 | hawking | but not the packages installed right? |
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| 00:10.18 | hawking | just the drivers |
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| 00:10.19 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/10/msg00179.html |
| 00:10.21 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: from 2003. |
| 00:10.28 | stew | hawking: correct |
| 00:10.37 | thingfish | Torvalds was even using a G5, last I read. |
| 00:10.41 | hawking | stew : that's good enough |
| 00:10.42 | gravity | tarzeau: According to http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install sarge will run on a G5 |
| 00:10.50 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: nice, but that's not all g5 |
| 00:11.05 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i've gotten reports where it just wouldn't work , graphics card issues or other stuff |
| 00:11.12 | thingfish | but then he advocates using KDE, too. |
| 00:11.19 | tarzeau | gravity: yes maybe on A G5. but not ALL G5 |
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| 00:11.39 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: that's specific hardware that fails; drivers don't exist for every single piece of hardware on them; hell, the driver for the soundcard in this machine hasn't been written yet. |
| 00:11.49 | gravity | tarzeau: So? |
| 00:11.52 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: not really a big deal, you should obviously check that out if you actually care about it. |
| 00:11.55 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i mean it doesn't work, not usable at all |
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| 00:12.01 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: not, you can't boot and do console |
| 00:12.07 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i mean it doesn't work at all. it doesn't work |
| 00:12.18 | gravity | tarzeau: Which machines? |
| 00:12.18 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: which exact model are we talking about here? |
| 00:12.19 | EdLin | thingfish: he's been a long-time KDE user, primarily because it used to be the only DE with foreign language support. (He wants the Finnish characters) |
| 00:12.20 | tarzeau | i can find you g5 where debian jsut doesn't work. do you understand me? doens't work |
| 00:12.30 | tarzeau | gravity: i don't remember |
| 00:12.32 | gravity | tarzeau: Do it |
| 00:12.34 | tarzeau | gravity: but if you want i'll find it |
| 00:12.40 | tarzeau | gravity: like i care shit? |
| 00:12.41 | gravity | tarzeau: Stop trolling and show us. I'm interested |
| 00:12.42 | cyberyak | doesn't work??? or you can't make it work? |
| 00:12.42 | thingfish | EdLin: ah, well that sort of makes sense I suppose. |
| 00:12.50 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: ok, man. i will find it out, as if it matters |
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| 00:13.10 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: well, apparently it matters to you... |
| 00:13.21 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: no but you're wrong |
| 00:13.25 | SimonRaven | cyberyak: nail. head. |
| 00:13.27 | dondelelcaro | since gravity and I didn't start this conversation... |
| 00:13.30 | tarzeau | i hate to waste that cd... |
| 00:13.39 | gravity | tarzeau: If you're going to be swearing at people about this, and calling them idiots, I hope you're ready to back yourself up |
| 00:13.39 | leahpar_on | 3 |
| 00:13.39 | thingfish | well you do have to admit that after a while of making claims, one is bound to be asked to back up one's claims with hard data. |
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| 00:13.57 | tarzeau | gravity: where did i call people idiots? |
| 00:14.06 | SimonRaven | damn, and i need to go get groceries |
| 00:14.10 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:14.26 | tarzeau | gravity: so far he didn't get debian running, so it still only a potential idiot (besides i called it fucktard and moron) |
| 00:14.30 | thingfish | be sure to buy plenty of cruciferous vegetables. |
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| 00:14.39 | thingfish | and blueberries and blackberries. |
| 00:14.53 | SimonRaven | and hamsters and elderberries |
| 00:15.12 | thingfish | hamsters are bad for you, because all the ways to cook them involve deep frying. |
| 00:15.20 | K_Dallas | Q: If LiveCD recognizes my hardwares and everything looked fine, would the hard disk installation give me the same? thanks |
| 00:15.55 | gravity | tarzeau: Sorry if I don't track the exact terms you use to insult people. |
| 00:15.57 | bucky | does debian have a livecd? |
| 00:16.00 | SimonRaven | nah, depends on the oil you're using |
| 00:16.03 | gravity | bucky: Sadly, no |
| 00:16.05 | tarzeau | gravity: i didn't insult anyone |
| 00:16.06 | thingfish | bucky: no |
| 00:16.10 | tarzeau | gravity: if i did, you show me where |
| 00:16.16 | K_Dallas | darn! i thought it had :( |
| 00:16.19 | thingfish | yeah, to be fair, I didn't see any insulting going on. |
| 00:16.19 | tarzeau | why do i even bother. i don't have g5 |
| 00:16.32 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 00:16.36 | fevel | is it possible to modify my reiserfs filesystem to fat32 from inside sid? or wil I have to use partition magic? |
| 00:16.53 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: calling people morons and fucktards is pretty much being insulting; even if you feel it is true. |
| 00:16.55 | tarzeau | fevel: partititon magic can do that? i doubt |
| 00:16.59 | thingfish | all I want is osx; I don't care about mac hardware. |
| 00:17.18 | fevel | [tarzeau]: Is there anything that can?? |
| 00:17.26 | tarzeau | fevel: not that i know |
| 00:17.27 | K_Dallas | so another Q: would CD1 be enough to give me a minimal GUI installation? |
| 00:17.29 | sussudio | fevel: don't be stupid. |
| 00:17.34 | tarzeau | thingfish: what about OPENSTEP? i know where you can get a copy |
| 00:17.38 | EdLin | if one wants a flamewar, there are Java vs LAMP and KDE vs GNOME threads on /. today |
| 00:17.44 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: yes |
| 00:17.47 | fevel | [sussudio]: why stupid? |
| 00:17.48 | K_Dallas | thanks tarzeau |
| 00:17.53 | thingfish | tarzeau: I'm ignorant as to OPENSTEP. |
| 00:18.01 | sussudio | ugh lamer script |
| 00:18.04 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i was talking about hypotethical people that could maybe get it running on g5.... but oh well |
| 00:18.15 | tarzeau | thingfish: it's the better osx |
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| 00:18.20 | thingfish | neat |
| 00:18.25 | tarzeau | thingfish: especially on 30" screens |
| 00:18.36 | thingfish | hehe well...I'll save up. |
| 00:18.39 | tarzeau | thingfish: i mean can you imagine scrolling to the menus that are fixated top left? |
| 00:18.53 | tarzeau | thingfish: same horrible thing like with Windows, GNOME and KDE, where start stuff is fixated bottom left |
| 00:19.03 | tarzeau | thingfish: your mouse and hand will get tired quick |
| 00:19.07 | K_Dallas | Buy a computer with Debian pre-installed.! didnt know that ;) that is a good initiative ;) |
| 00:19.24 | thingfish | I'll sell you one. |
| 00:19.28 | thingfish | a good one even. |
| 00:19.45 | tarzeau | xevious: here, ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/MiscOS/NeXT/OpenStep/ |
| 00:19.50 | thingfish | it's not hard, for crying out loud. |
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| 00:20.34 | thingfish | building computers, that is. |
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| 00:20.44 | [myg0t]vodka | hey, why isnt zlib in the package repositories? |
| 00:20.45 | thingfish | ooh vodka |
| 00:20.46 | hawking | how can i get the kernel 2.6.8? |
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| 00:20.52 | tarzeau | [myg0t]vodka: it is |
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| 00:21.01 | tarzeau | hawking: you don't want so old stuff, do you? |
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| 00:21.11 | tarzeau | !nickometer [myg0t]vodka |
| 00:21.12 | dpkg | '[myg0t]vodka' is 23.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 00:21.21 | [myg0t]vodka | well |
| 00:21.30 | [myg0t]vodka | I did apt-get install zlib |
| 00:21.33 | [myg0t]vodka | it says |
| 00:21.33 | thingfish | lame, although you do have to admit the 'vodka' part is OK. |
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| 00:21.35 | hawking | tarzeau : I have 2.4.2 right now |
| 00:21.36 | [myg0t]vodka | couldnt find package zlib |
| 00:21.39 | EdLin | hawking: Sarge has it, it's installed either from typing in "linux26" on the first screen, or apt-getting it after installation |
| 00:21.39 | tarzeau | xevious: dont' get irritated, the guys there call it x86 wrongly, it's also hppa,next m68k and sparc |
| 00:21.41 | stew | [myg0t]vodka: there is zlib1g. what are you trying to do? |
| 00:21.51 | [myg0t]vodka | install zlib. |
| 00:21.53 | tarzeau | xevious: one and the same iso image. for i386 you need boot floppies, i can find them if you need them |
| 00:22.05 | stew | [myg0t]vodka: i mean why are you wanting to install zlib? to compile something? |
| 00:22.06 | thingfish | although I personally would prefer it call itself [myg0t]bourbon |
| 00:22.07 | hawking | Edlin : what package should i apt-get? |
| 00:22.28 | EdLin | hawking: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6* |
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| 00:22.39 | hawking | k |
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| 00:22.40 | hawking | thx |
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| 00:22.49 | antgel|dvorak | !nickometer antgel|dvorak |
| 00:22.50 | dpkg | 'antgel|dvorak' is 14.000% lame, antgel|dvorak |
| 00:22.59 | antgel|dvorak | fair |
| 00:23.07 | [myg0t]vodka | stew, yes |
| 00:23.09 | g3brown | I'm looking to find out if a motherboard is sarge compatible. Short of just buying it, what is the best way to check? |
| 00:23.09 | [myg0t]vodka | I need it for an ircd |
| 00:23.23 | stew | [myg0t]vodka: which ircd? |
| 00:23.24 | thingfish | !lose antgel|dvorak |
| 00:23.24 | dpkg | antgel|dvorak: You Lose. |
| 00:23.26 | vincent` | g3brown: find the model and google 'model debian' |
| 00:23.43 | stew | [myg0t]vodka: if its in debian "apt-get build-dep pkgname" |
| 00:23.52 | [myg0t]vodka | stew, unrealircd |
| 00:23.54 | antgel|dvorak | thingfish: no kidding |
| 00:24.09 | thingfish | where's abrotman? I need a quick dose of cynicism. |
| 00:24.12 | stew | [myg0t]vodka: apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
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| 00:24.31 | stew | [myg0t]vodka: in general if you need something for compiling you are looking for a -dev package |
| 00:24.35 | antgel|dvorak | !seen abrotman |
| 00:24.35 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 3h 30m 10s ago, saying: '!backports'. |
| 00:24.49 | thingfish | <gasp> that's a long time ago. |
| 00:24.55 | [myg0t]vodka | stew: WHY the heck is it zlib1g-dev?? |
| 00:24.58 | antgel|dvorak | profound |
| 00:25.07 | thingfish | I worry. |
| 00:25.14 | SimonRaven | [myg0t]vodka: because |
| 00:25.28 | [myg0t]vodka | because |
| 00:25.29 | [myg0t]vodka | ? |
| 00:25.31 | [myg0t]vodka | why |
| 00:25.43 | g3brown | vincent: no dice with googling. |
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| 00:26.18 | [myg0t]vodka | SimonRaven: hello |
| 00:26.18 | [myg0t]vodka | why |
| 00:26.28 | vincent` | hrm |
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| 00:27.16 | SimonRaven | long story. part of it in the debian changelog |
| 00:27.17 | hawking | when I try to dl something with apt-get everything works fine until the confirmation... it asks "DO you want to continue?" and when I type Y. just "Abort." and it exits... is this a bug? how can i solve thiw |
| 00:27.43 | [myg0t]vodka | Im up for a long story |
| 00:27.47 | g3brown | Any other ideas? |
| 00:28.51 | PhilH | Hi Guys |
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| 00:31.08 | OpenSores | how come xgamma doesn't work? |
| 00:31.18 | EdLin | !doesn't work |
| 00:31.18 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:31.19 | dondelelcaro | OpenSores: uh, it does for almost everyone else. |
| 00:31.36 | OpenSores | it number changes but the gamma doesn't |
| 00:31.40 | OpenSores | the* |
| 00:32.05 | dondelelcaro | OpenSores: it's possible that your hardware doesn't support gamma; some cards don't. |
| 00:32.16 | OpenSores | ah |
| 00:32.30 | thingfish | I should tell dpkg that !doesn't work is also thingfish. |
| 00:32.35 | thingfish | :( |
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| 00:33.38 | hawking | how can i reinstall apt-get? |
| 00:33.41 | g3brown | Does Sarge support (1) SATA (2) PCI-e Gigabit (3) Dual Core Pentium 4 ? |
| 00:33.44 | thingfish | haha |
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| 00:34.05 | thingfish | hawking, why are you having so much trouble? Debian GNU/Linux is hard to break. |
| 00:34.12 | EdLin | g3brown: ship that system to me and I'll find out. ;-) |
| 00:34.48 | g3brown | EdLin: that exactly what I trying to prevent |
| 00:35.05 | thingfish | g3brown: there's a sarge installer with a more recent kernel, 2.6.14 even, iirc. maybe try that. /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 00:35.20 | thingfish | hehe boy really EdLin |
| 00:35.26 | hawking | thingfish : as i said .. there is a bug in apt-get |
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| 00:35.35 | thingfish | I'm sure. |
| 00:35.42 | EdLin | it might take a while before I determine it's usability, a few years or so. |
| 00:35.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:35.51 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 00:36.21 | g3brown | thingfish: I don't want to buy it unless I know Debian supports it. I starting to wonder why it is so hard to determine compatibility. |
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| 00:36.50 | thingfish | g3brown: well but just imagine: compiling a hardware compatibility list would be quite an undertaking. |
| 00:36.56 | EdLin | g3brown: it isn't really a question of Debian, it's a question of the kernel. |
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| 00:37.11 | sar | anyone here well with iptables and webmin? |
| 00:37.22 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: because you can't be bothered to look |
| 00:37.38 | EdLin | !webmin |
| 00:37.38 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 00:37.52 | antgel|dvorak | !tell sar about ask |
| 00:37.53 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: I've look for hours. I wouldn't have ask here first. |
| 00:38.10 | sar | ok.. |
| 00:38.14 | radical | hiya, i want to mount a nfs-export which contains several directories with mounted partitions, by default i am unable to read the content of the mounted partitions on the server (mount point will be an empty directory). do you know of a way to export recursingly regardless of the current filessystem? |
| 00:38.21 | caphuso | sar: you need "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 10000 -j DROP" ;-) |
| 00:38.21 | thingfish | it seems just asking here is better than using webmin. |
| 00:38.23 | sar | i have a problem with iptables on debian 3.1 stable install 2.6 kernel |
| 00:38.33 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: you need to tell us which chipset if you want us to even gander at it; in any case, if the kernel supports it, sarge does. The kernel supports at least some variants of all of those three. |
| 00:38.37 | sar | caphuso : ya, i know.. :) |
| 00:38.37 | g3brown | thingfish: it would be that hard for people to post what they have working and then you could search it. |
| 00:38.44 | EdLin | g3brown: see if they sell it with Linux pre-installed. If yes, chances are Debian (at least the special 2.6.14 disk) will support it. |
| 00:38.48 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: then look smartly |
| 00:38.56 | sar | caphuso : just reset iptables |
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| 00:39.25 | caphuso | sar: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 00:39.26 | M_Cheevy | re folks... |
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| 00:39.55 | g3brown | dondelelcaro: its a 955X chipset (Glenwood) with onboard PCI-e Intel Gigabit. |
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| 00:40.14 | YaleR | I think I've been rootkited :( I need help |
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| 00:40.17 | bookmark | what's that command to refit an old config for a newer kernel version? |
| 00:40.20 | g3brown | EdLin: I have a Redhat 9 Server running on simliar hardware but it took a lot of drivers. |
| 00:40.25 | bookmark | config oldconfig or something? |
| 00:40.25 | radical | g3brown: i got a 955x mobo here, maybe i can give you some info |
| 00:40.37 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: google is about as smart as it gets today. |
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| 00:40.40 | M_Cheevy | YaleR: I thought I saw a rootkit checker in aptitude.... |
| 00:40.45 | radical | did not see your question tho |
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| 00:40.48 | g3brown | radical: what kernel? |
| 00:40.49 | YaleR | M_Cheevy, I've tried - nothing shows up |
| 00:40.52 | caphuso | bookmark: copy your old .config to the new source tree and run "make oldconfig" |
| 00:40.57 | radical | 2.6.13.4 |
| 00:41.00 | YaleR | but I'm getting insane network trafic and strange netstat crap |
| 00:41.03 | bookmark | thanks |
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| 00:41.16 | M_Cheevy | YaleR: might not be via a rootkit... |
| 00:41.27 | sanxiyn | 2.6.14-5 doesn't boot ?! |
| 00:41.28 | g3brown | radical: did you try older kernels? are you using a testing version? |
| 00:41.33 | munggo | hi sanxiyn |
| 00:41.40 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: depends what you type in :) |
| 00:42.02 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: well, I made it here didn't I? :P |
| 00:42.06 | cheal | sanxiyn: wow, you must be a unique case |
| 00:42.10 | radical | g3brown: no, but it should work anyway (at least for booting, as for pci-e, i dont know) // yes |
| 00:42.13 | munggo | sanxiyn: translation plz~ |
| 00:42.15 | sanxiyn | cheal: Eh. |
| 00:42.38 | g3brown | radical: are you using Sarge? |
| 00:42.44 | cheal | sanxiyn: :-P |
| 00:42.47 | sanxiyn | cheal: I upgraded last night and it didn't boot. I could boot with 2.6.12 though. |
| 00:42.50 | radical | g3brown: etch, but again, it wont make any difference |
| 00:42.53 | cheal | !sidsmite sanxiyn |
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| 00:43.05 | radical | g3brown: the real problem is s-ata |
| 00:43.10 | antgel|dvorak | shazaam |
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| 00:43.32 | bucky | g3brown, what's the sata controler on that motherboard? |
| 00:43.37 | thingfish | !gomersmite antgel|dvorak |
| 00:43.39 | M_Cheevy | Radical: using sata raid? |
| 00:43.52 | radical | g3brown: 1.) forget s-ata dvd-writers 2.) you will need to bootstrap an installation to that s-ata disk, otherwise you will run into problems during installation (maybe fixed with current version of debian installation cds) |
| 00:44.04 | radical | M_Cheevy: no, jbod |
| 00:44.13 | g3brown | bucky: Intel® ICH7R SATA (3 Gbps) controller built-in |
| 00:44.35 | M_Cheevy | radical; just checking.. finally completed my sata raid 0 install so I'm up on it (except using udev) |
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| 00:45.12 | radical | M_Cheevy: did you manage to install using a cd-image, if yes, is it a current or an older one |
| 00:45.12 | hawking | I've installed 2.6.8 how can i remove 2.4.2? |
| 00:45.13 | PhilH | would anyone here be able to help me with my DVD burner problems? |
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| 00:45.39 | M_Cheevy | radical: had to use an ubuntu livecd and then debootstrap |
| 00:45.43 | dvs | hawking: I dont think 2.4.2 is an official debian kernel |
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| 00:45.55 | radical | M_Cheevy: i used my old p-ata disk to bootstrap |
| 00:45.59 | hawking | dvs : or what that was ... 2.4... that sarge comes with |
| 00:46.00 | g3brown | radical: so sarge doesn't work out of the box with sata? |
| 00:46.06 | stew | hawking: dpkg -r packagename |
| 00:46.09 | M_Cheevy | radical: didn't have a spare HD to do that ;) |
| 00:46.09 | Thanatermesis | XFS for /, ext2 for /boot, the fstab is with /boot mounted, what i need to put in the grub ? the /boot partition ? or the partition / ? |
| 00:46.11 | dvs | hawking: 2.4.18 |
| 00:46.13 | sanxiyn | g3brown: Yes, in some cases. |
| 00:46.17 | stew | g3brown: it works out of the box for some sata |
| 00:46.18 | cheal | hawking: apt-get remove kernel-image-2.4* |
| 00:46.19 | sanxiyn | g3brown: Try Etch Beta 1 installer. |
| 00:46.20 | dvs | !info kernel-image-2.4.18 sarge |
| 00:46.20 | antgel|dvorak | wtf does a sata controller need 3gbps? |
| 00:46.33 | cheal | dvs: 2.4.27 |
| 00:46.47 | hawking | cheal : thx |
| 00:46.53 | g3brown | sanxiyn: I don't have the hardware. I'm trying to select a motherboad. |
| 00:47.08 | radical | g3brown: yes, that goes for all images, maybe unstable will do the trick, i didnt try it tho. i seriously doubt there is any distribution out there that will run out of the box on that kind of new hardware |
| 00:47.11 | snowgeese | get one with free video card combo |
| 00:47.20 | Thanatermesis | no anybody uses XFS for / ? :/ |
| 00:47.20 | snowgeese | evga |
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| 00:47.57 | snowgeese | g3brown |
| 00:47.59 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: make life easier. leave bleeding edge |
| 00:48.16 | g3brown | snowgeese: yeah? |
| 00:48.21 | antgel|dvorak | !anybody |
| 00:48.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 00:48.50 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: I wasn't aware gigabit was bleeding edge. Been running on another distro for over 2 years. |
| 00:48.59 | Thanatermesis | antgel|dvorak , i have asked |
| 00:49.02 | snowgeese | evga has one when u buy video card get free mobo 300 usa 7000 nvida card nvida chipset mobo |
| 00:49.02 | Thanatermesis | XFS for /, ext2 for /boot, the fstab is with /boot mounted, what i need to put in the grub ? the /boot partition ? or the partition / ? |
| 00:49.05 | snowgeese | sweet |
| 00:49.28 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: chipset is |
| 00:49.31 | dvs | !tell magyar -about ask |
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| 00:49.40 | snowgeese | g3brown look it up |
| 00:49.45 | cheal | magyar: nobody will pm you |
| 00:49.50 | repp | magyar: sadly, private messages are disabled on this server. |
| 00:49.51 | magyar | ok |
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| 00:50.15 | bucky | g3brown, gigabit isn't bleeding edge but the marvel chipset wasn't in the kernel untill 2.6.11 |
| 00:50.19 | cheal | repp: they're not... |
| 00:50.29 | repp | cheal: well, they are enabled for some bots. |
| 00:50.29 | g3brown | antegel|dvorak: chipset is 875P on my old server, that I need to replace. |
| 00:50.57 | sanxiyn | Hm, it's #343042 |
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| 00:51.08 | sanxiyn | "This problem is hitting everyone I know who has updated today..." |
| 00:51.16 | snowgeese | g3brown do you have old parts to sell? |
| 00:51.17 | sanxiyn | :( |
| 00:51.20 | bucky | !bugs #343042 |
| 00:51.23 | snowgeese | i need agp video card |
| 00:51.24 | dpkg | #343042:[yaird] linux-image-2.6.14-2-686: Boot aborts with message '/bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/hda1/dev: No such file or directory'; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:48:02 UTC |
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| 00:51.49 | sanxiyn | So, read that before reboot :( |
| 00:52.07 | takatumi | roll your own and be done with it. ;) |
| 00:52.12 | magyar | i am running adsl connection through a physical interface eth0. When i start downloading a large file and do a tcpdump -i eth0, i get a whole bunch of "ses 0x1dfe] IP truncated-ip - 256 bytes missing!" Can anyone help a brother? |
| 00:52.15 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: i meant the new chipset is bleeding edge. am learning dvorak can't be verbose :) |
| 00:52.17 | cheal | repp: not just for bots |
| 00:52.21 | snowgeese | weredoes someone find used stuff |
| 00:52.22 | unforgettableid | i dont get it |
| 00:52.44 | repp | cheal: care to elaborate? |
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| 00:52.48 | linoleum | is there a repository to have the Gnome desktop 2.12 under sid? |
| 00:52.54 | g3brown | bucky: I torrented Sarge with 2.6.8. What would be the best way to get a newer kernel? |
| 00:52.58 | Thanatermesis | :( |
| 00:52.59 | cheal | repp: ok :) you just have to be identified to nickserv |
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| 00:53.06 | unforgettableid | does anyone know how to join the #slashdot channel? |
| 00:53.10 | unforgettableid | its invite only |
| 00:53.10 | cheal | linoleum: experimental? |
| 00:53.15 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: I'm learning dvorak not interested in helping the g3 |
| 00:53.24 | antgel|dvorak | !tell sanxiyn about apt-listbugs |
| 00:53.54 | sanxiyn | antgel|dvorak: I was hit by the bug before the bug was reported, thanks. |
| 00:53.57 | unforgettableid | hmm |
| 00:53.58 | unforgettableid | !tell unforgettableid about apt-listbugs |
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| 00:54.02 | antgel|dvorak | !tell g3brown about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 00:54.06 | g3brown | bucky: I install it with the 26kernel at the initial boot screen. |
| 00:54.09 | unforgettableid | !help |
| 00:54.11 | sanxiyn | antgel|dvorak: I have it installed. |
| 00:54.18 | antgel|dvorak | sanxiyn: ouch |
| 00:54.23 | unforgettableid | !freshmeat terminal |
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| 00:54.47 | sanxiyn | antgel|dvorak: Well, it's all good now. |
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| 00:54.54 | linoleum | cheal: yes, but It's not safe to install gnome on sid from experimental repository I guess |
| 00:55.04 | d3mi4n | can you dual boot debian on a mac?? |
| 00:55.10 | unforgettableid | ok |
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| 00:55.15 | [iago] | could someone tell me if XFS support is compiled into the kernel on stable? |
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| 00:56.08 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: that link you sent, that is considered etch? |
| 00:56.11 | sanxiyn | grep XFS /boot/config-2.4.27-2-686 (on my Sarge box) |
| 00:56.15 | cheal | linoleum: so you run sid, care about safety and...expect unofficial packages to be saver than experimental? |
| 00:56.15 | sanxiyn | says |
| 00:56.19 | PhilH | Is anyone here able to help me with a DVD burning issue? I've burned a DVD+r with K3B, when i reinsert the disc nautilus informs me that it's blank but K3B tells me that it's been written to and reports the correct amount of free space, it can't, however, retrieve the session to append it |
| 00:56.20 | sanxiyn | CONFIG_XFS_FS=m |
| 00:56.20 | dondelelcaro | [iago]: it's almost certainly a module. |
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| 00:57.00 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: does it say sarge or etch? |
| 00:57.02 | dvs | dondelelcaro: would XFS be in the initrd image then? |
| 00:57.15 | linoleum | cheal: well , I dont know, I dont want to break my sid, because it works without anyproblem .. :) |
| 00:57.21 | [iago] | dondelelcaro: modprobe xfs would do it? |
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| 00:58.11 | bucky | PhilH, just out of curiousity did you install cdrecord as suid in the dialog box when cdrecord was installed? |
| 00:58.16 | antgel|dvorak | PhilH: ditch the guis? |
| 00:58.34 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: link mentions sarge but page mentions sid. |
| 00:58.40 | PhilH | bucky, i didn't |
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| 00:58.56 | leikh | is it safe to remove the entire /var/cache/apt ? |
| 00:59.03 | odla | dfm rulez |
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| 00:59.12 | bucky | PhilH, dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and set it suid.. see if that helps |
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| 00:59.30 | PhilH | bucky, is the existing DVD likely a lost cause? |
| 00:59.34 | caphuso | leikh: no. use apt-get (auto|)clean |
| 00:59.55 | cheal | linoleum: if I was you I'd still justify why I'd think that unofficial packages are safer than experimental before asking about their existence |
| 01:00.04 | bucky | PhilH, i don't know.. i don't have any high end hardware |
| 01:00.06 | leikh | caphuso: thx |
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| 01:00.40 | linoleum | cheal: I really dont know, do you have the answer? |
| 01:02.02 | cheal | linoleum: if I used sid, gnome, and wanted gnome 2.12, I'd certainly use experimental's |
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| 01:02.36 | linoleum | cheal: ok , well , I m going to try it |
| 01:02.44 | linoleum | cheal: thanks for the advice |
| 01:02.54 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: I thought stable=sarge; testing=etch; and unstable=sid ? Do I get a cookie? |
| 01:02.59 | linoleum | cheal: I home I'm not going to break my sid !! :) |
| 01:03.06 | dondelelcaro | dvs: initrds are machine specific, so if you're using xfs on the root filesystem, it would have to be.16271291 |
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| 01:03.24 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: yes and no! |
| 01:03.28 | cheal | !luck linoleum |
| 01:03.37 | dvs | dondek: 16271291? Um... ok |
| 01:03.38 | antgel|dvorak | heh |
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| 01:04.39 | dondelelcaro | dvs: it's a pmid... haven't yet wrangled this touchpad properly yet. |
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| 01:04.54 | EdLin | g3brown: it is that for now, eventually etch will be the new stable. Sid, the boy who breaks toys, always will be unstable though. |
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| 01:05.34 | dondelelcaro | (pmid==pubmed id for those totally lost; www.pubmed.org) |
| 01:05.46 | stumbles | is there an ncurses based interface to parted available seperately - like the one in debian-installer? |
| 01:05.47 | g3brown | EdLin: well the 2.6.14 kernel antgel|dvorak sent me is to sid I believe. |
| 01:06.17 | EdLin | g3brown: we were directing you to a d-i that is Sarge with a backported Sid kernel |
| 01:07.16 | g3brown | EdLin: ah. So you get new hardware support with updated kernel and stable packages? |
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| 01:07.24 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: afaik it's a sarge installer else the factoid is wrong |
| 01:07.29 | sanxiyn | Hm, reverting yaird to 11 *or* kernel to 2.6.14-1 seems to fix the booting issue. |
| 01:07.45 | redguy | does the stock 2.6.8 kernel include the evms patch? where I could find list of patches applied to a kernel? |
| 01:07.50 | EdLin | g3brown: the non-kernel packages mostly have little to do with hardware support - most of that's in the kernel and a few support packages |
| 01:07.56 | xevious | just added DRI/DRM support. do i need to add my user to any special groups? |
| 01:08.40 | antgel|dvorak | xevious: video |
| 01:09.01 | xevious | antgel|dvorak: thanks |
| 01:09.19 | EdLin | g3brown: I actually installed from such an image, because 2.6.8 and 2.4.x don't support SLIME. |
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| 01:10.21 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: the link says sarge not sid "d-i image for Sarge with kernel 2.6.14" |
| 01:10.43 | leikh | sudo doesn't understand 'cd'. what's the sudo equivalent? |
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| 01:11.15 | EdLin | leikh: are you sure you need to cd? Just specify the full path |
| 01:11.17 | gravity | leikh: What do you mean "doesn't understand"? |
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| 01:11.33 | gravity | sudo doesn't care what the program it runs is called |
| 01:11.34 | eleftherios | which kernel package do I need for a AMD Sempron 2400+? |
| 01:11.34 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: yeah, I got it downloaded now. filename is "sarge-custom-1126.iso" |
| 01:11.44 | sanxiyn | gravity: cd is a shell builtin |
| 01:11.53 | dvs | eleftherios: 686 is fine |
| 01:11.56 | gravity | sanxiyn: Ah, I'd forgotten about that |
| 01:12.04 | dvs | eleftherios: k7 is better though |
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| 01:12.18 | leikh | EdLin: ok :-) |
| 01:12.26 | antgel|dvorak | leikh: you don't understand sudo |
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| 01:12.29 | bucky | g3brown, here's an unofficial iso for sarge with 2.6.14 |
| 01:12.33 | gravity | I suppose you could do something like sudo "/bin/sh -c 'cd foo'C" |
| 01:12.49 | eleftherios | dvs, well, I can use kernel-image-2.6-k7 then |
| 01:12.55 | dvs | eleftherios: Yup |
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| 01:13.01 | gravity | Not that it would do anything... you'd have to do cd foo && blah |
| 01:13.02 | m0rbid | I need to uninstall udev, but it wont let me now that I tried to install it. I am using sid. Any ideas? |
| 01:13.26 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 01:13.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 three-legged weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:13.31 | odla | quit |
| 01:13.59 | g3brown | It a nutshell I want a server with 4 SATA drives and gigabit ethernet as stable as possible to support that. I generally use SuperMicro or Intel Servers. |
| 01:13.59 | eleftherios | dvs, hm, I have a single processor dedicated server but uname -a reports that my kernel is smp. Shall I go for the kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp? |
| 01:14.07 | bucky | g3brown, http://debcentral.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=6&post_id=526#forumpost526 |
| 01:14.22 | dvs | eleftherios: No, If you don't have an smp system then don't use it.. |
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| 01:14.57 | eleftherios | dvs, well, cat /proc/cpuinof reports just one cpu |
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| 01:15.38 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: you want stable. leave bleeding edge! |
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| 01:16.02 | bucky | eleftherios, how may cpu's do you really have? |
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| 01:16.23 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: I want 4 SATA and gigabit ethernet as "stable as possible to support that" |
| 01:16.40 | eleftherios | bucky, my dedicated server came with Etch pre-installed. According to the specs it has one cpu. proc/cpuinfo also supports that |
| 01:16.50 | bucky | g3brown, did you get that link with the iso with 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 01:16.53 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: is sata and gigabit not possible on Debian? |
| 01:16.56 | g3brown | bucky: yeah. |
| 01:17.00 | g3brown | I download it. |
| 01:17.06 | bucky | g3brown, use it or make your own |
| 01:17.12 | l4vim | i'm trying to find something that'll help me to use config file in shell scripts (parser?) - any ideas ? |
| 01:17.18 | g3brown | bucky: installing it now on VMware |
| 01:17.19 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: it is |
| 01:17.28 | eleftherios | bucky, my problem is that the couple of times that I rebooted the server (in 200 days) it does not come back up for some reason. The people there have to reboot it manually. |
| 01:17.37 | l4vim | s/in/for/ |
| 01:17.54 | eleftherios | bucky, I have asked them if the see something wrong and they say "no, it is all fine" |
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| 01:17.56 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: then, all I'm trying to do is select a motherboard |
| 01:18.26 | g3brown | bucky: "make your own" is out of the question, so I'll try that onel |
| 01:18.30 | eleftherios | does anyone know what I should check to make sure that the server can restart properly? |
| 01:18.31 | bucky | eleftherios, if you only have one cpu then you don't need smp unless it's dual core |
| 01:18.48 | EdLin | bucky: or has hyperthreading |
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| 01:19.00 | bucky | hperthreading is not smp |
| 01:19.02 | eleftherios | I don't think AMD Sempron 2400+ is dual core |
| 01:19.14 | EdLin | bucky: yes, but it can be supported with smp |
| 01:19.16 | dvs | bucky: But you need it compiled in to use ht |
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| 01:20.04 | eleftherios | that's the kernel they have installed (or that the debian installer has) 2.6.11.4 SMP |
| 01:20.37 | bucky | eleftherios, not for debian it's not.. which distro are you running? |
| 01:20.53 | EdLin | eleftherios: yes, but you need to also compile in hp support. It's no longer enabled by advance for some (IMHO not very exploitable) security problems |
| 01:21.06 | bucky | EdLin, for a sempron? |
| 01:21.09 | EdLin | s/by/in |
| 01:21.19 | EdLin | bucky: I thought he had a P4 |
| 01:21.25 | bucky | EdLin, ^^ |
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| 01:21.59 | bucky | eleftherios, so is this a remote box? |
| 01:22.07 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: and i'm trying to point out that if you are so concerned about stability you shouldn't buy bleeding-edge hardware but my point is lost. |
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| 01:22.27 | eleftherios | bucky, I am running Etch |
| 01:22.36 | eleftherios | bucky, ys it is a remote box |
| 01:22.58 | EdLin | eleftherios: why are you running etch (testing) on a server? |
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| 01:23.02 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: I get your point. |
| 01:23.28 | eleftherios | EdLin, because it came with it. It is not for anything mission critical anyway. Just a couple of sites and my email |
| 01:23.39 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: I just don't see SATA and Gibabit as bleeding edge hardware, but maybe my brian defective from working with Windows everyday. |
| 01:23.54 | bucky | eleftherios, it's quite possible that you're having acpi issues if it doesn't want to come back up with a shutdown -r now |
| 01:24.12 | bucky | and that's consistant with running the wrong kernel |
| 01:24.17 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: good as it's painful to make it atm |
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| 01:24.50 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: IT'S THE CHIPSET |
| 01:25.00 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 01:25.02 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: what is painful to make? |
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| 01:25.15 | eleftherios | bucky, that's quite possible, yes. It fits the problem description well. I reboot it and it does not come back up. Then they do a hard reboot and it works |
| 01:25.20 | Seb | sometimes my keyboard loses the 'repetition' in (xfree, not xorg). Anyone seen that before ? |
| 01:25.32 | Seb | basically leaving my finger on any key only produces one keypress |
| 01:25.45 | SerajewelKS | Seb: try running 'xset r on' and see what happens |
| 01:25.46 | Seb | which is highly unconvenient. I'm looking for a way to fix this without restarting X. |
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| 01:25.51 | palmax | Hello! |
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| 01:26.12 | Seb | SerajewelKS: ok, you're my hero of the day :) |
| 01:26.18 | Seb | SerajewelKS: thanks a bunch man |
| 01:26.31 | palmax | I want to assemble a C program in m68k assembler "dialect" in my PC gcc. How can I do it? |
| 01:26.34 | SerajewelKS | Seb: np. looks like some other program is running 'xset r off' on you. do you use x11vnc by any chance? |
| 01:26.35 | EdLin | !SerajewelKS++ |
| 01:26.43 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: ^^ |
| 01:26.46 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: anything. currently about 5 words per minute |
| 01:26.46 | Seb | SerajewelKS: matter of fact I do, sometimes |
| 01:26.54 | Seb | SerajewelKS: so that's what'd be turning it off ? |
| 01:27.09 | SerajewelKS | Seb: x11vnc runs that so if the network lags your screen doesn't fill with f's (or whatever) |
| 01:27.16 | Seb | SerajewelKS: gotcha |
| 01:27.18 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: I don't work with linux that much, but I've had a Redhat 9 server running SATA and Gigabit for at least 2 years. I thought Debian could at least do that. |
| 01:27.28 | hawking | how can i change the mail address of the root user? |
| 01:27.28 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: IT'S THE CHIPSET |
| 01:27.30 | SerajewelKS | Seb: i *think* x11vnc runs 'xset r on' when it's done, but it might not be shutting down cleanly (or might still be running!) |
| 01:27.30 | eleftherios | bucky, how can I find out if that really is the case? Shall I install kernel-image-2.6-k7? |
| 01:27.54 | Seb | SerajewelKS: i prolly Ctrl-C'ed it, or killed it violently |
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| 01:27.56 | EdLin | hawking: assuming you're running exim4, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:27.58 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak I'm running Redhat 9 on a 875 chipset |
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| 01:28.03 | SerajewelKS | Seb: that'd probably do it, yeah |
| 01:28.12 | Seb | SerajewelKS: well, cooll. Thanks again... |
| 01:28.12 | dvs | eleftherios: Why not? Just don't uninstall the old kernel |
| 01:28.14 | SerajewelKS | Seb: though i thought it caught sigterm |
| 01:28.17 | SerajewelKS | Seb: np |
| 01:28.25 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: exactly |
| 01:28.34 | dondelelcaro | l4vim: sudo does, . You just aren't running in a shell. |
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| 01:29.07 | g3brown | antgel|dvorak: you lost me. |
| 01:29.14 | eleftherios | dvs, hm, but I have to make sure it falls back on the old kernel if it fails. Well...they will have to reboot it manually even for the old kernel because that's what happens now anyway |
| 01:29.27 | antgel|dvorak | palmax: cross-compile? |
| 01:29.34 | dvs | eleftherios: Oh? This is a remote computer right? |
| 01:29.34 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: if the new kernel fails you just reboot to the old one |
| 01:29.47 | palmax | antgel|dvorak, I only need .s |
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| 01:29.49 | eleftherios | SerajewelKS, this is a remote machine |
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| 01:29.51 | SerajewelKS | dvs: oh... yeah that'd hurt |
| 01:29.59 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: then you'd best not upgrade the kernel =/ |
| 01:30.12 | palmax | antgel|dvorak, I think that i have to "apt-get install prc-tools-m68k" |
| 01:30.14 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: if the new kernel doesn't work you'll be fucked until you have physical access |
| 01:30.17 | eleftherios | SerajewelKS, but as it is the machine never comes back up after a reboot |
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| 01:30.21 | dvs | eleftherios: OK. Then dont install it. I'd make sure that I'm onsite if I upgraded the kernel |
| 01:30.48 | eleftherios | dvs, this is not possible the server is in the USA and I am in Europe :-) |
| 01:31.05 | eleftherios | dvs, and I am not flying over just for a reboot |
| 01:31.17 | dvs | eleftherios: Make a vacation out of it. ;-) |
| 01:31.21 | jbroome | if you're paying, i will |
| 01:31.23 | eleftherios | dvs, haha |
| 01:31.46 | eleftherios | dvs, "and I took a weeks vacation to reboot that server I have..." |
| 01:32.17 | jbroome | rebooting is the easy part. making sure the bitch comes back up is the tricky piece |
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| 01:33.10 | eleftherios | jbroome, indeed |
| 01:33.12 | rafx | SECURITY QUESTION: if executable foo is "-rwsr-xr-- root dip 12345 foo" in Debian Sarge, and a CVE says said executable allows attackers to overwrite any file if run setuid root, is the Debian box running foo as root vulnerable? |
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| 01:33.48 | eleftherios | well I am installing the new kernel now |
| 01:34.07 | dvs | eleftherios: Have a nice vacation. |
| 01:34.15 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: that ain't a bad idea actually =) |
| 01:34.30 | Greatred | rafx, probably |
| 01:34.31 | antgel|dvorak | g3brown: one last time. you're saying red hat supports it, why doesn't debian. but they are different chipsets. debian supports the older one as well. fin. |
| 01:34.35 | EdLin | rafx: I didn't know that #debian is the new #english-literacy channel. |
| 01:34.41 | eleftherios | oops -> You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.6.12-1-k7) This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd. |
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| 01:34.51 | Greatred | rafx, check the vulnerable versions of the "foo" program against your own versions |
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| 01:35.07 | karsten | For those paying attention (OK, nobody...), partial solution to the "how do I import an LVM from a loopback file" question is in section 13.6 of the LVM HOWTO, "Moving a volume group to another system". |
| 01:35.11 | dvs | eleftherios: If there is an /initrd.img link then it should be installed |
| 01:35.25 | karsten | I'm currently running the transfer under qemu, think I should be able to do it with a live system as well. |
| 01:35.48 | eleftherios | dvs, I am lost. |
| 01:35.51 | Greatred | and on that note i'm off to bed :) |
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| 01:36.08 | dvs | eleftherios: Does the /initrd.img file exist on that computer? |
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| 01:36.39 | antgel|dvorak | eleftherios: read the error |
| 01:36.59 | dvs | antgel: It's not an "error". It's a warning message. |
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| 01:37.03 | eleftherios | dvs, no there is not an /initrd.img |
| 01:37.25 | dvs | eleftherios: Do you use GRUB or LILO? |
| 01:37.45 | antgel|dvorak | dvs: thanks |
| 01:38.02 | eleftherios | I see grub is installed but this message mentions Lilo |
| 01:38.33 | eleftherios | dvs, I have not installed/configured much of this system (other than getting rid of webmin and some other crap) |
| 01:38.50 | rafx | CVE-2004-0564 - Debian Sarge has PPPOE setuid vulnerability which was fixed a month ago by redhat (despite redhat's install not using setuid). https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legacy-announce/2005-November/msg00004.html |
| 01:39.20 | magyar | how can i set the MTU on a pppoe interface to 1452? |
| 01:39.20 | dvs | eleftherios: If you see an "initrd=" line in each kernel image line in /boot/grub/menu.lst then the kernel should be OK. |
| 01:39.38 | eleftherios | dvs, I am checking now |
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| 01:39.46 | rafx | magyar: ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1452 |
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| 01:39.54 | antgel|dvorak | eleftherios: tread carefully. find out which is really installed |
| 01:40.16 | rafx | magyar: debian's pppoe allows remote attackers to overwrite any file |
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| 01:40.34 | somedude | is debian the best of all time is ubuntu better |
| 01:40.39 | eleftherios | dvs, no mention of initrd in menu.lst |
| 01:40.52 | mathias64 | somedude: ubuntu is better, just go ask them about it |
| 01:40.59 | somedude | ok cool |
| 01:41.01 | somedude | thx |
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| 01:41.08 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:41.12 | antgel|dvorak | eleftherios: ensure /etc/kernel-img.conf is right |
| 01:41.26 | rafx | dude was almost as useful as EdLin |
| 01:41.26 | dvs | eleftherios: Then you'll have to add "initrd=/initrd.img" to the "# kopt" line |
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| 01:41.42 | eleftherios | antgel|dvorak, there is no such file under /etc either |
| 01:41.46 | magyar | rafx, would you know anyting about trancated packates on debian pppoe? |
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| 01:42.25 | antgel|dvorak | dvs: changing to qwerty for emergency. we don't know the box really has grub on. |
| 01:42.35 | antgel|dvorak | just because the package is installed means nothing |
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| 01:42.43 | rafx | magyar: i know nothing. but try and set your eth0/eth1 to mtu 1500 and your ppp0's mtu to 1412 and see if problem persists |
| 01:42.46 | dvs | antgel|dvorak: Yup I agree. |
| 01:43.00 | MrEntropy | does debian provide an init.d script for exim4 that uses the one whole file config? |
| 01:43.15 | antgel|dvorak | dvs: then i'm back in dvorak *shudder* :) |
| 01:43.21 | jade | what is the snmp server deb package called? |
| 01:43.52 | eleftherios | dvs, antgel|dvorak how can I make sure grub is being used then? |
| 01:43.55 | tictac | jade: apt-cache search snmp server |
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| 01:44.14 | dvs | eleftherios: I don't know without looking at the screen. |
| 01:44.28 | Tortel | gah, my keyboard is dying |
| 01:44.29 | Tortel | :( |
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| 01:44.50 | magyar | rafx, just did, all my debian machines have these in tcpdump on the physical interface "IP truncated-ip - 256 bytes missing!" etc. |
| 01:44.55 | antgel|dvorak | eleftherios: ask the admin |
| 01:45.07 | Ries | apparently eather php4-gd or libpng is comiled against the wrong header file, apache2 crashes when doing png manipulations, is this a know issue? |
| 01:45.07 | eleftherios | dvs, ok, thank you very much for your help so far anyway :-) |
| 01:45.12 | eleftherios | antgel|dvorak, I am the admin |
| 01:45.46 | magyar | rafx, i've been trying to figure this out for the past week, and so far only happens on debian releases |
| 01:46.02 | bob2 | Ries: if it was, it would be in the BTS |
| 01:46.07 | smacnay | seems that running 'make oldconfig' or 'make menuconfig' with an old .config (when upgrading to a new kernel) causes all sorts of problems for me. |
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| 01:46.24 | bob2 | Ries: things like that are generally avoided, tho, so I'd be fairly surprised if stable was broken in such a way |
| 01:46.29 | devicenull | just as confirmation: stuff in /etc/init.d is auto started? |
| 01:46.36 | bob2 | smacnay: rm .config ; touch .config |
| 01:46.38 | dvs | smacnay: It depends on the versions of the two kernels |
| 01:46.39 | Ries | bob2: it's testing.... |
| 01:46.41 | bob2 | devicenull: no |
| 01:46.47 | bob2 | Ries: then BTS time it is |
| 01:46.57 | Ries | bob2: looking...... |
| 01:47.00 | bonz | smacnay: so dont run those things with an old .config then :P |
| 01:47.01 | mathias64 | devicenull: symlinks in /etc/rc2.d/ are run at startup |
| 01:47.05 | bob2 | devicenull: things with S links in /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rcS.d/ get started during normal boot |
| 01:47.33 | devicenull | so I can just symlink from init.d to /etc/rc2.d? |
| 01:47.34 | eleftherios | lilo is installed too. wtf... |
| 01:47.40 | mathias64 | MrEntropy: i seem to remember that that is a config option in the exim package installation |
| 01:48.04 | mathias64 | devicenull: yes. Put s99 in the name of the symlink so it will run last |
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| 01:48.26 | bob2 | devicenull: what are you trying to start? |
| 01:48.27 | Ries | bob2: php4-gd is not in bts with that issue... |
| 01:48.37 | mathias64 | bonz: ggcc 4.0 works on amd64... |
| 01:48.40 | bob2 | Ries: then you'll need to report it |
| 01:48.42 | dvs | devicenull: man update-rc.d |
| 01:48.44 | devicenull | oh wow |
| 01:48.48 | devicenull | thats easy as hell |
| 01:49.01 | Ries | bob2: but how do I know for sure if it's not my setup? I don't have a clean install.... |
| 01:49.05 | devicenull | I just did it manually |
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| 01:49.24 | Ries | bob2: I don't want to spam bts... |
| 01:49.32 | bob2 | Ries: which is far too little information for anyone here to guess if it's related or not |
| 01:49.58 | linoleum | sorry, I'm really stupid, but how can I install gnome 2.12 from the experimental repository? |
| 01:50.04 | mathias64 | Ries: run querybts apache or querybts apache2. If you see a bug report already, don't send another. If there isn't a bug report, send one. |
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| 01:50.32 | bob2 | linoleum: find instructions on the gnome debian website |
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| 01:50.38 | bob2 | linoleum: or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:50.44 | dondelelcaro | Ries: then you need to tell us which version of php you're using and which libpng the php that you're running is linking again.st |
| 01:50.49 | linoleum | bob2: ok, thanks |
| 01:50.52 | dondelelcaro | Ries: figuring out that information is non-trivial. |
| 01:51.03 | mathias64 | linoleum: there are lots of experimental repositories, not one central one. You gotta get the right line in your sources.list. |
| 01:51.12 | bonz | mathias64: thats nice, however I dont use amb64's |
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| 01:51.27 | bonz | arrgh amd rather |
| 01:51.30 | Ries | I'll do my best guys... never used bts or reported a bug for debian... |
| 01:51.32 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: ldd php? |
| 01:51.49 | mathias64 | Ries: use the reportbug package, it makes it very easy |
| 01:51.50 | bob2 | Cut Chemist did a pretty good remix of the Numbers Song |
| 01:52.25 | smacnay | bonz: I just now figured this out. Trial and error... |
| 01:53.23 | kingsley | I made my heuristic that estimates productivity less sensitive to the first few joins and leaves. |
| 01:53.28 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: that's only a start, as php dlopen's some of its modules. |
| 01:53.44 | bob2 | linoleum: http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2005/11/msg00067.html |
| 01:53.46 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: fair enough. |
| 01:53.57 | bonz | smacnay: yeah I stopped using oldconfig long ago because of the difficulty in tracing things long ago |
| 01:54.05 | bob2 | yes, updating software to measure IRC productivity can only enhance the world's productivity |
| 01:54.31 | antgel|dvorak | kingsley: are we bothered? |
| 01:54.36 | linoleum | thanks a lot bob2 |
| 01:54.59 | bonz | I find using less .config while I make menuconfig is slightly more helpful but if menuconfig is borked as well it's tough |
| 01:55.05 | antgel|dvorak | fuck no |
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| 01:55.24 | antgel|dvorak | antgel: thanks |
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| 01:55.57 | llama32 | hi, im interested in the inner workings of X (mostly rendering), and downloading the source is seriously not an option, are there any papers describing how X.org (or any other server) does the rendering of windows? im not interested in the client side drawing of widgets, just how X determines what is drawn where, etc. |
| 01:56.38 | WillR | is there a channel or a guide dedicated to helping with DVB and linux tv stuff... trying to get a streaming sattelite set up going with a TwinHan Starbox on Debian |
| 01:56.50 | mathias64 | llama32: apt-get source xserver-xorg will, indeed, download the source. It is an option. |
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| 01:56.54 | WillR | linuxtv.org offers NO help at all...* |
| 01:57.37 | Tortel | what is the current status of dual core support? |
| 01:57.48 | kingsley | WillR: *Maybe* #mythtv |
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| 01:57.50 | bob2 | "fine" |
| 01:58.08 | bob2 | llama32: poking around www.x.org would be the first step |
| 01:58.11 | bonz | WillR: linuxtv.org does offer help, maybe just not for you :) |
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| 01:58.22 | bob2 | llama32: keithp.com has some papers on rendering too, not sure if it's on those particular topics tho |
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| 02:00.04 | llama32 | mathias64: no, it is not. i am on dialup and would rather work it out for myself than download the source :) |
| 02:00.06 | kingsley | llama32: Perhaps someone on #xorg or #xorg-devel could help you more. |
| 02:00.38 | llama32 | bob2: will do |
| 02:00.41 | WillR | linuxtv offers some downlaods and some information.. doesnt tell me how to upgrade the firmware on my usb stb at aLL only says that i have to upgrade it |
| 02:00.44 | llama32 | kingsley: am doing |
| 02:00.50 | Ries | bob2: it was my fault after all...... |
| 02:01.01 | Ries | bob2: testing is ok when it comes th png.. |
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| 02:01.25 | bob2 | ah |
| 02:01.28 | tummyacid | can anyone help me get audacity to record? im using sarge and otherwise my sound works fine |
| 02:01.56 | tummyacid | "error opening sound device..." |
| 02:02.03 | Andresito | Sorry, Can anybody tell me if OpenOffice.org is broken on sarge-amd64 ? |
| 02:02.10 | kingsley | tummyacid: I might be able to help. I've recorded with audacity quite a bit. |
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| 02:02.26 | mathias64 | llama32: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/xorg/render/ |
| 02:02.30 | cheal | Andresito: #debian-amd64 |
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| 02:02.35 | tummyacid | so have i it always worked |
| 02:02.39 | Andresito | Thanks!!!! |
| 02:02.40 | bob2 | tummyacid: does "rec" work? |
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| 02:03.01 | kingsley | tummyacid: Have you searched google's web and usenet archives yet for: audacity "error opening sound device"? |
| 02:03.09 | hanasaki | hmm i am not getting video from .asf files.. just audio and an error cant load wmvdmod.dll |
| 02:03.16 | magyar | i am running adsl connection through a physical interface eth0. When i start downloading a large file and do a tcpdump -i eth0, i get a whole bunch of "{ses 0x1dfe] IP truncated-ip - 256 bytes missing!........" Can anyone help a brother? |
| 02:03.30 | llama32 | thanks mathias64 |
| 02:03.30 | hanasaki | how do i fix it? |
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| 02:03.51 | tummyacid | i dont konw if rec works its not installed |
| 02:04.08 | antgel|dvorak | !installit |
| 02:04.08 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 02:04.17 | tuv | can i make a subdirectory of an nfs writable exported directory readonly? |
| 02:04.18 | tummyacid | i checked audacity's page its not a permissions problem |
| 02:04.20 | antgel|dvorak | hanasaki: ^^ |
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| 02:04.38 | hanasaki | antgel|dvorak: hmm ya.. a dll? |
| 02:04.59 | bob2 | tummyacid: so install sox and try it |
| 02:05.00 | hanasaki | antgel|dvorak: what shold i aptget to install it |
| 02:05.13 | bob2 | hanasaki: mplayer, /msg dpkg w32codecs |
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| 02:05.21 | hanasaki | hmm i think i ahve that |
| 02:05.21 | hanasaki | brb |
| 02:05.34 | tuv | i have a directory exported by nfs as writable and would like to make a subdirectory readonly over nfs.. is that possible? |
| 02:05.52 | antgel|dvorak | !repeat |
| 02:05.52 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:06.01 | mathias64 | tuv: chmod |
| 02:06.02 | bob2 | tuv: set the permissions however you see fit |
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| 02:06.10 | antgel|dvorak | magyar: ^^ |
| 02:06.24 | Arafangion | I want to make voice and audio calls, what program (and protocol) can I do this? |
| 02:06.34 | sn0rbid | magyar? from IRCZone? |
| 02:06.52 | antgel|dvorak | Arafangion: fgi |
| 02:06.57 | tuv | i want to maintain the permissions. it's a backup, so i want it readonly so it does not get messed up |
| 02:07.06 | bob2 | Arafangion: to who? |
| 02:07.08 | Arafangion | antgel|dvorak: What's fgi? |
| 02:07.16 | tuv | but i want it visible via nfs too |
| 02:07.17 | antgel|dvorak | !fgi |
| 02:07.18 | Arafangion | bob2: It will be used for inter-office communication. |
| 02:07.18 | dpkg | somebody said fgi was http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
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| 02:07.31 | tummyacid | yes rec works |
| 02:07.35 | KerPlunk | What is a program I can use to automatically grab a wireless network when it is possible? |
| 02:07.43 | bob2 | Arafangion: gnome-meeting |
| 02:07.53 | bob2 | KerPlunk: network manager, I assume |
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| 02:07.55 | kingsley | tummyacid: Have you searched google's web and usenet archives yet for: audacity "error opening sound device"? |
| 02:07.56 | KerPlunk | I have ifplugd installed, so when I plug a cat5 wire into my laptop...it will auto setup my network if possible. |
| 02:08.05 | gravity | bob2: Still not in Debian |
| 02:08.08 | tummyacid | i did search and got nohting with " |
| 02:08.09 | antgel|dvorak | !topicsmite magyar |
| 02:08.09 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon magyar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:08.14 | tuv | can nfs do that, without changing the permissions? like exporting a subdirectory with different options (ro instead of rw)? |
| 02:08.17 | tummyacid | "Error opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate" |
| 02:08.31 | Arafangion | bob2: Looks *impressive* |
| 02:08.32 | antgel|dvorak | magyar: no /msg |
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| 02:09.15 | tummyacid | its alright i think i can get by tonight by recording with rec thanks for the help anyway |
| 02:09.17 | bob2 | gravity: eeh |
| 02:09.27 | bob2 | also, hola! |
| 02:09.35 | KerPlunk | bob2: What is the package name for that...I don't see it. |
| 02:09.38 | kingsley | tummyacid: http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.pl?LinuxIssues |
| 02:09.39 | gravity | bob2: I'd planned on working on it, but X drew me away |
| 02:09.44 | gravity | bob2: And hola back yo! |
| 02:09.49 | bob2 | Arafangion: guessnet, perhaps? I remember Wouter on planet.debian.org posting about his rather interesting network setup stuff |
| 02:09.59 | bob2 | er, KerPlunk ^ |
| 02:10.01 | antgel|dvorak | tuv: sias |
| 02:10.07 | bob2 | KerPlunk: it doesn't appear to be in debian, sadly |
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| 02:10.18 | tuv | antgel|dvorak: what does that mean? |
| 02:10.20 | KerPlunk | bob2: ok I'll compile source. |
| 02:10.29 | antgel|dvorak | !sias |
| 02:10.29 | dpkg | Suck It And See |
| 02:10.30 | tummyacid | <kingsley> tummyacid: http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.pl?LinuxIssues |
| 02:10.47 | tummyacid | opps sorry |
| 02:10.56 | tuv | antgel|dvorak: thanks for trying so hard! |
| 02:11.01 | Arafangion | bob2: Do you use gnomemeeting? What kind of bandwidth does it like? |
| 02:11.07 | KerPlunk | bob2: http://nino.sourceforge.net/nino/index.html that the right link? |
| 02:11.20 | tuv | can nfs export a subdirectory ro if its parent is exported rw? |
| 02:11.35 | hanasaki | hi all.. the w32codecs dont seem to be listed.. not even on nerim |
| 02:11.39 | SerajewelKS | is it just me, or does the latest timidity suck balls |
| 02:11.44 | bob2 | Arafangion: no, don't know |
| 02:11.48 | mathias64 | tuv: won't the subdir already be visibile inside the mounted parent directory? You have to take care of that... |
| 02:11.55 | bob2 | hanasaki: have to get the tarball from the mplayer site then, I guess |
| 02:12.00 | antgel|dvorak | tuv: um, people in glass houses... |
| 02:12.01 | bob2 | KerPlunk: for what? |
| 02:12.04 | hanasaki | bummer thanks bob |
| 02:12.09 | KerPlunk | For network manager. |
| 02:12.11 | Arafangion | bob2: Looks interesting. |
| 02:12.16 | tuv | mathias64: that's exactly my question. can i avoid that? |
| 02:12.30 | KerPlunk | bob2: gnome.org is getting flooded by slashdot and others...because Linus Torvalds said gnome sucks and use kde. |
| 02:12.38 | antgel|dvorak | kingsley: add kingsleysmite |
| 02:12.48 | Matt0 | Hey, whenever I try to upgrade my testing system it is asking me to temp remove the package e2fsprogs but it doesn't want to because it could be harmful. What can I do about this? |
| 02:12.50 | Arafangion | bob2: engin looks interesting too. |
| 02:13.00 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 738] by debhelper |
| 02:13.08 | bob2 | KerPlunk: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 02:13.13 | bob2 | hah slashdot |
| 02:13.19 | antgel|dvorak | !kingsleysmite kingsley |
| 02:13.19 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer kingsley: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.883553150898905! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 02:13.20 | bob2 | Matt0: upgrade to sarge |
| 02:13.22 | tuv | antgel|dvorak: can you be a little more helpful?! |
| 02:13.34 | mathias64 | tuv: I don't know of any way to do that |
| 02:13.36 | Matt0 | bob2: is that stable? |
| 02:13.40 | Arafangion | bob2: Heh, on that topic, I recently upgraded Sid to Sarge the other day ;) |
| 02:13.42 | bob2 | Matt0: yes |
| 02:13.48 | KerPlunk | bob2: That site is getting ddosed. |
| 02:13.53 | Matt0 | bob2: sweet thanks |
| 02:13.55 | antgel|dvorak | tuv: can you try it? |
| 02:14.06 | bob2 | KerPlunk: wfm |
| 02:14.15 | tuv | antgel|dvorak: once i'm asked i will |
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| 02:14.36 | Arafangion | KerPlunk: It had been perhaps 10 months between apt-get update, so the downgrade to sarge was quite easy ;) |
| 02:15.00 | bob2 | Matt0: presumably this is a testing machine that has not been dist-upgrade'd in 11 months? |
| 02:15.03 | antgel|dvorak | tuv: why wait to be asked? |
| 02:15.21 | Matt0 | bob2: I just installed it from a testing cd which is quite old |
| 02:15.31 | bob2 | Matt0: that'll be the problem then. go sarge then etch. |
| 02:15.55 | Matt0 | bob2: cool thanks. it was actually the only cd i had so i'll stay on sarge anyway its fine. |
| 02:15.56 | mathias64 | tuv: apparantly you can do it with sunos nfs. You'll need to check the latest man exports in linux to see if the linux nfs driver supports it. |
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| 02:16.25 | SerajewelKS | !tell magyar about ask |
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| 02:16.57 | bob2 | ion3 is lessannoying than kde and gnome, anyway |
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| 02:17.18 | SerajewelKS | speaking of kde, is 3.4 in testing fairly stable yet? |
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| 02:17.53 | Blake_Seven | I think I have a problem !!! My dell server rebooted and said it loaded a new boot rom. I also have someone on my auth.log trying to get in to sshd. How do I know if my server has a hacker in it ?\ |
| 02:17.54 | magyar | SerajewelKS: you might be right about the 2.4 kernel, but i just want to be sure. The only way i can if i have someone with a dsl connection running 2.6.8 |
| 02:18.01 | cheal | SerajewelKS: #debian-kde |
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| 02:18.26 | Quinn_Storm | Hey, I'm trying to host an apt repository, using reprepro, and it all works (can check out packages, etc.) but I get this weird error - Failed to fetch http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/apt/dists/sid/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 02:18.32 | antgel|dvorak | Blake_Seven: alert the admin |
| 02:18.35 | bob2 | Blake_Seven: you can't, more or less |
| 02:18.36 | sgeigerbot | What might be wrong: my Linux WAP is getting a DHCP discover from a client ("DHCPDISCOVER from 00:12:f0:98:c0:0b via eth1") and responds with an offer ("DHCPOFFER on 192.168.16.250 to 00:12:f0:98:c0:0b via eth1") but the client does not respond with a DHCPREQUEST. Could this be a routing table problem? I can't think of anything else that would be wrong. |
| 02:18.43 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: I heard someone upset about it being broken a while ago |
| 02:18.46 | poonj | hey guys, anyone here use the forcedeth or nvnet driver for their 1GB nvidia LAN? |
| 02:18.55 | poonj | for some reason, it loads up as beeing 1000 BaseT |
| 02:18.57 | SerajewelKS | cheal: yeah yeah, blah blah... =) |
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| 02:19.03 | poonj | however, my switch only runs at 100MB |
| 02:19.08 | bob2 | haha nvidia |
| 02:19.09 | mathias64 | Blake_Seven: paste the relecant part of auth.log on pastebin and someone will look at it. failed ssh connect attempts are normal, especially ones originating in asian countries |
| 02:19.27 | SerajewelKS | are there any complete patch sets for timidity available in debian? the default one or whatever seems to be missing some patches. |
| 02:19.36 | poonj | I'm not sure if its a problem related to the fact that when a windows machine logs into the linux server through putty....i'm getting network timeout or connection refused errors.. |
| 02:19.42 | poonj | anyone here have an idea as to what could be wrong? |
| 02:19.47 | cheal | SerajewelKS: hey, don't pretend I say that a lot :) |
| 02:20.00 | SerajewelKS | cheal: pretend? bah! |
| 02:20.12 | antgel|dvorak | poonj: does it work? |
| 02:20.22 | poonj | when I'm on the machine itself surfing the wbe |
| 02:20.24 | poonj | it works just fine.. |
| 02:20.26 | deadcat | poonj: what up (= |
| 02:20.31 | poonj | hey deadcat |
| 02:20.32 | bob2 | doubt there are many patch sets in Debian |
| 02:20.36 | bob2 | they all seem to be non-free |
| 02:20.38 | bob2 | or undistributable |
| 02:20.40 | bodhisattva | hello |
| 02:20.45 | poonj | so I'm confused....because some machines seem to work |
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| 02:20.52 | bonz | SerajewelKS: problem with the timidity pstch sets are that not all are free, but they're out there on the web, I've used them in the past |
| 02:20.58 | poonj | some dont...like my linux workstation connects just fine.. |
| 02:21.21 | bodhisattva | i keep having this spammed to my syslog its realy annoying and id like to fix it, im hoping someone can give me some guidance |
| 02:21.34 | SerajewelKS | yeah, freepats doesn't have a lot of the instruments |
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| 02:21.47 | bodhisattva | "init: Id "6" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" |
| 02:21.48 | SerajewelKS | bonz: can you direct me to a few, or are most of them of the illegal variety? |
| 02:21.49 | deadcat | finals week. goddamn eng paper due tomorrow.. AND geo exam )= |
| 02:22.08 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: yeah i feel you... three down two to go |
| 02:22.14 | magyar | can someone who is running sarge 2.6.8 do a tcpdump on physical interface of a adsl connection and tell me if they see errors like "[ses 0x1e53] IP truncated-ip - 1280 bytes missing!............." ??? |
| 02:22.25 | devicenull | I'm not even sure where this is supposed to go.. but nessus in stable/unstable/testing is out of date |
| 02:22.30 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: yeep. |
| 02:22.42 | bonz | SerajewelKS: nah sorry I stopped usiing timidity, etc years ago now and the sites I got the patches from a vague memories sorry |
| 02:22.47 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: calc and phys.ed. finals left =) |
| 02:22.56 | SerajewelKS | bonz: np, thanks anyway |
| 02:22.59 | bob2 | devicenull: out of date? |
| 02:22.59 | sgeigerbot | ~kill deadcat for the 9th time |
| 02:23.01 | apt | ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxquark gun at deadcat for the 9th time |
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| 02:23.05 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: mine arent that hard. hehe.. |
| 02:23.20 | mage | hmm is it possible to use imagemagick to scale an image to a width of say 800px regardless of the height? |
| 02:23.21 | jade | any package i can use that helps me detect DDoS against my server? |
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| 02:23.25 | mathias64 | devicenull: so compile a recent one |
| 02:23.30 | deadcat | apt: i am gonna stick a knife up your ass bitch |
| 02:23.32 | apt | it is my pleasure to meet you, gonna stick a knife up your ass bitch |
| 02:23.32 | bob2 | mage: yes |
| 02:23.44 | bob2 | mage: it may involve parsing the height tho |
| 02:24.32 | SerajewelKS | bonz: is this one familiar? http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/timidity-patches.html |
| 02:24.51 | Blake_Seven | what is a boot kit ? |
| 02:24.59 | poonj | any ideas? |
| 02:25.11 | mathias64 | mage:w3m file:///usr/share/doc/imagemagick/www/convert.html |
| 02:25.12 | bob2 | "boot kit"? |
| 02:25.16 | SerajewelKS | !any ideas |
| 02:25.17 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 42 starving hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 02:25.28 | bob2 | Blake_Seven: if someone updated your system rom, you have lost |
| 02:25.32 | bob2 | Blake_Seven: go find out if that happened or not |
| 02:26.06 | Blake_Seven | bob2 How do I do that ? |
| 02:26.07 | mage | oic if I do -resize 800x2000 it'll resize up to that size but with the same ratio |
| 02:26.31 | bob2 | Blake_Seven: uh, talk to dell? |
| 02:26.39 | Blake_Seven | 'k |
| 02:27.04 | bob2 | Blake_Seven: and start reading your auth.log carefully |
| 02:27.07 | bob2 | Blake_Seven: and run chkrootkit |
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| 02:27.14 | bob2 | Blake_Seven: and get the machine the hell off the internet |
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| 02:28.03 | bonz | SerajewelKS: do you have any idea how many urls my poor damaged brain has processed since I last played with timidity? because I have no idea :) |
| 02:28.09 | mathias64 | mage: convert resize 800x should work. |
| 02:28.21 | SerajewelKS | bonz: true... i guess i could just TIAS |
| 02:28.36 | mage | ah |
| 02:29.01 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: classic. |
| 02:29.14 | SerajewelKS | oh foobar |
| 02:29.16 | jade | are the deb packages in a category tree anywhere? |
| 02:29.25 | SerajewelKS | jade: packages.debian.org |
| 02:29.25 | bonz | SerajewelKS: thats all I did at the time, its not like they take very long too download & try out |
| 02:29.35 | SerajewelKS | bonz: it doesn't come with a timidity configuration |
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| 02:29.50 | SerajewelKS | bonz: which means i would have to manually map the patch files to midi instrument numbers =( |
| 02:29.54 | jade | SerajewelKS, thanks |
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| 02:30.43 | bonz | SerajewelKS: nah I got patches off the net which were in a .deb with a config |
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| 02:31.22 | SerajewelKS | bonz: these are in a .deb but not with a config |
| 02:31.36 | bonz | SerajewelKS: keep looking then |
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| 02:32.20 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: hehehe. |
| 02:32.46 | bonz | SerajewelKS: I do remember going too lots of sites before I found a decent site or two though |
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| 02:34.27 | SerajewelKS | bonz: oh hey it does have cfgs, they're just in the same dir as the patches |
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| 02:35.47 | bonz | SerajewelKS: hehe, pays too look with your eyes instead of your ears :) |
| 02:36.33 | bob2 | it was just silly crap, but it really hit the spot! |
| 02:36.39 | bonz | SerajewelKS: your lucky too jag the site so quickly though, seemed too take me forever too find a couple |
| 02:36.51 | lavacoil | Hi, Could anybody suggest a good 3d CAD package for debian? |
| 02:36.51 | gravity | bob2: crazycrazycrazy |
| 02:36.56 | SerajewelKS | bonz: it works =) |
| 02:37.08 | SerajewelKS | bonz: the same package is actually in woody, btw |
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| 02:37.36 | bonz | SerajewelKS: it wasn't at the time I needed it :( |
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| 02:40.07 | bookmark | yo! |
| 02:40.29 | Tortel | Yo. |
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| 02:40.39 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 02:40.48 | bookmark | crunchy |
| 02:40.56 | Tortel | Hello. |
| 02:40.57 | Pupeno | How do I trigger the signing step when making a package ? |
| 02:41.00 | Pupeno | Tortel: ? |
| 02:41.04 | Tortel | :) |
| 02:41.15 | gravity | Pupeno: dpkg-buildpackage should trigger it by itself |
| 02:41.37 | Pupeno | gravity: I know, but the package has been built, I want to only trigger the signing part. |
| 02:41.59 | bookmark | yo.... uh why is there no modules directory in kernel 2.4.32 package at kernel.org? |
| 02:42.13 | gravity | Pupeno: Use debsign. I think it's in the devscripts package |
| 02:42.17 | gravity | I use debsign all the time |
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| 02:43.14 | nite613 | I'm trying to recover from a problem with a drive on a Promise IDE RAID card. It has a RAID 1 mirror set up, and is no longer booting (says "LI"). I've booted with D-I and made the device files listed here: http://colby.tjs.org/~brendandg/promise-ft66-howto/howto.html, loaded that ataraid module, and still can't find my disk :( |
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| 02:44.09 | nite613 | Anyone can help? I was wondering if maybe I could just unplug one drive and plug it into the regular IDE interface. Will that work? I figure I'm risking losing data on the test drive, and I'm not confident enough with this to know how to rebuild it |
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| 02:44.33 | nite613 | the priority right now is just getting access to the existing system |
| 02:44.56 | devicenull | nite613, isnt raid 1 striping? |
| 02:44.59 | devicenull | or is that 0? |
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| 02:45.19 | nite613 | devicenull: that's raid 0. This one specifically says its set up as a "mirror" in the bios |
| 02:45.57 | magyar | can someone who is running sarge 2.6.8 do a tcpdump on physical interface of a adsl connection and tell me if they see errors like "[ses 0x1e53] IP truncated-ip - 1280 bytes missing!............." ??? |
| 02:46.30 | devicenull | I am no expert in raid at all, however, as long as the bios doesnt try to re-create the raid set and the drive is set up as a perfect mirror.. |
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| 02:46.37 | devicenull | it should work. |
| 02:46.50 | devicenull | you could try booting from a livecd and mounting it read only |
| 02:47.16 | devicenull | but, I know nothing about raid |
| 02:47.26 | nite613 | devicenull: That's sorta my plan I think. I would really like to get the full raid setup going again though, and I figured learning how to access this thing from D-I is likely to educate me in that direction |
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| 02:48.07 | nite613 | magyar: tcpdump -i eth0 | grep trunc haven't seen anything yet |
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| 02:50.35 | badblody | i've got debian installed i added to the computer a scsi controller with 2 discs i recompiled the kernel with support of scsi controller and scsi discs and support for all filesistems and i have kernel panic unable to mount root fs |
| 02:50.52 | badblody | any idea that what happens? |
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| 02:55.26 | nite613 | I'm looking to set up an active-active HA server pair with shared disk, can anyone recommend SATA-RAID solutions for do that in Debian without too much hassle? |
| 02:55.34 | joh1 | whats that command to allow other users to connect to my display and run a program? |
| 02:55.43 | nite613 | joh1: xhost |
| 02:55.48 | joh1 | thank you |
| 02:55.52 | SerajewelKS | are there any text-mode programs for playing SPCs? all i can find in debian is an xmms plugin. |
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| 02:56.23 | nevyn | spc? |
| 02:56.34 | nevyn | jade: ssh |
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| 02:56.48 | nevyn | nite613: die. |
| 02:56.49 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: similar to MIDI but specifically for SNES audio |
| 02:56.54 | nevyn | oh... |
| 02:57.14 | magyar | nite613, your modem is connected to eth0? |
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| 02:57.32 | nite613 | magyar: it is |
| 02:57.39 | nite613 | nevyn: die? |
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| 02:58.04 | magyar | nite613, are you on sarge kernel 2.6.8? |
| 02:58.32 | nite613 | magyar: I am |
| 02:58.56 | nevyn | nite613: xhost is evil |
| 02:59.08 | nevyn | nite613: ssh -X localhost is less bad |
| 02:59.49 | magyar | nite613, thanks, i have to systems with pppoe connection and both are giving those errors, atleast i think they are errors of some sort |
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| 03:00.01 | dondelelcaro | !xhost +localhost |
| 03:00.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xhost +localhost is <Overfiend> xhost +localhost should only be done by people who would paint their hostname and root password on an interstate overpass. |
| 03:00.10 | Epilog | could anyone help me out configurating some realm in freeradius? |
| 03:00.30 | nite613 | nevyn: The question was "whats that command to allow other users to connect to my display and run a program" the key part being other users |
| 03:00.36 | nevyn | yep. |
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| 03:00.59 | nevyn | ssh -X root@localhost |
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| 03:01.15 | mathias64 | nite613: the modern way to do it is to use xauth. You will have to read up on it. |
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| 03:01.30 | nite613 | mathias64: thanks, I will |
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| 03:02.33 | megatronx | i have a quick question...is it possible to copy all files from firefox 1.5 into the firefox that debian has (including gnome-support)? |
| 03:03.00 | Pupeno | I keep getting this error: gpg: skipped "José Pablo Ezequiel Fernández Silva <pupeno@pupeno.com>": secret key not available, how can I troobleshoot this ? what might be wrong ? (I do have that key) |
| 03:03.33 | Epilog | !freeradius |
| 03:03.34 | dpkg | i guess freeradius is radiusd-freeradius, see "The Story of radiusd-freeradius" on http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/02/ |
| 03:04.41 | Quinn_Storm | Hey, I'm trying to host an apt repository, using reprepro, and it all works (can check out packages, etc.) but I get this weird error - Failed to fetch http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/apt/dists/sid/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 03:05.31 | factor | I have a problem wiht localepurge I am trying to install it but it wont let me until I run it? |
| 03:05.44 | factor | dpkg-reconfigure localepurge |
| 03:05.50 | factor | but wont work |
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| 03:06.28 | dondelelcaro | factor: what is the error message you are getting? |
| 03:06.53 | factor | new locale found run the abve prog |
| 03:06.56 | factor | dpkg-reconfigure localepurge |
| 03:07.20 | factor | de.UT-8 |
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| 03:08.03 | hydden | vc poderia colar sua ultima dica, é q rebotei qdo vi foi tarde rs |
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| 03:09.20 | evilbulgarian | hi, i keep getting "zone foo.com/IN: refresh: failure trying master XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX#53: timed out" i also get a time out when i do dig @nsprimary testdomina.com but when i nmap that port its open can someone please help? |
| 03:09.30 | badblody | anyone have a ov511 webcam working ? |
| 03:10.19 | factor | yup |
| 03:10.29 | factor | badblopdy:I have |
| 03:10.38 | factor | you have to download the latest drivers |
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| 03:10.48 | factor | or at least I did |
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| 03:11.15 | factor | but I have not tried it in a bit , becasue my cannon scanner no longer works |
| 03:11.24 | factor | going from 2.6.8 -> 2.6.14 |
| 03:11.30 | hydden | gary, vc q estava me ajudando com o grub? |
| 03:11.30 | factor | new usblib stuff |
| 03:11.46 | factor | but it will work |
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| 03:12.44 | SerajewelKS | hydden: what is your native language? |
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| 03:13.11 | hydden | ops, wrong channel, sorry |
| 03:13.16 | factor | heh |
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| 03:13.59 | factor | ok I am off be back later. |
| 03:14.19 | thingfish | portuguese, from the looks of it, SerajewelKS. |
| 03:14.28 | SerajewelKS | man, it doesn't get much better than super mario rpg music and debian |
| 03:14.57 | SerajewelKS | i've reached a new height in contentment |
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| 03:17.06 | linoleum | hello, how can I force to download and install a package with apt-get ?? |
| 03:17.18 | linoleum | because the -f option doen't work |
| 03:17.26 | mathias64 | linoleum: what does apt-get say? |
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| 03:18.11 | bookmark | yo.... uh why is there no modules directory in kernel 2.4.32 package at kernel.org? |
| 03:18.34 | linoleum | mathias64: well, it's a dependency problem , because I am under KDE 3.5 and so there is a package "kdelibs4c2a" instead of "kdelibs4c2" but they are the same so I would like to force the install |
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| 03:21.06 | mathias64 | linoleum: that sort of thing is better left undone. Either compile the packages yourself (which will f |
| 03:21.22 | mathias64 | (which will fix the deps) or wait until they resolve themselves in the repository |
| 03:22.00 | linoleum | but I would like to test it, it's not an essential package |
| 03:22.14 | linoleum | it's just an applet for KDE I just would like to test it |
| 03:22.21 | linoleum | but it's for and older KDE |
| 03:22.34 | Quinn_Storm | Hey, I'm trying to host an apt repository, using reprepro, and it all works (can check out packages, etc.) but I get this weird error - Failed to fetch http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/apt/dists/sid/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 03:22.42 | mathias64 | linoleum: so bild it yourself. |
| 03:22.58 | linoleum | and the -f option doen't work, but the man of apt-get tells that -f force the install ... I dont get it |
| 03:23.26 | rapsys | I am trying to switch a dedicated server from (buggy) fedora core 3 to sarge, someone has an howto to switch the devmapper config too ??? |
| 03:23.29 | tictac | is it possible to share a device, so that another computer can use it as it was plugged directly to it |
| 03:23.41 | tictac | ie. dvd+/-rw drive. |
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| 03:24.13 | mathias64 | linoleum: man apt-get says -f means ``fix'' not ``force'' |
| 03:25.08 | linoleum | well, I 'm under french version and it's says : to continue the install... |
| 03:25.14 | Morydd | can anyone confirm that digikam is uninstallable in unstable before I file a bug? |
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| 03:25.51 | phil__ | is this a live channel? |
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| 03:25.58 | thingfish | haha |
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| 03:26.09 | tictac | phil__: no. this is a recording. |
| 03:26.11 | mathias64 | phil__: this is a recording. It repeats every 30 minutes. |
| 03:26.19 | mathias64 | tictac: ditto that |
| 03:26.25 | phil__ | irc muzak |
| 03:26.33 | atp | i know it's a little bit off-topic, but does anyone here know much about Xlib programming? |
| 03:26.36 | dderr | How do i get dselect to not do any all pending installs |
| 03:26.57 | abrotman | hold what you don't want upgraded |
| 03:26.59 | phil__ | Yo -- need redirect for advice on debian harware -- new build. off topic? |
| 03:27.30 | nite613 | Well |
| 03:27.35 | nite613 | doh |
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| 03:28.18 | abrotman | phil__: say what ? |
| 03:28.49 | phil__ | abrotman, just trying to get advice on a new machine i want to build |
| 03:29.44 | abrotman | phil__: ok .. what do you want to know ? |
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| 03:30.42 | phil__ | Yeah, well what's a good socket 939 mainboard to get running with debian (ubuntu/gentoo)? |
| 03:31.10 | mathias64 | phil__:L i have an asus a8v anbd it runs fine |
| 03:31.12 | abrotman | debian is debian.. not ubuntu or gentoo |
| 03:31.15 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:31.15 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:31.19 | abrotman | phil__: ^^ read the docs |
| 03:31.34 | mathias64 | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/27/mainboards.html |
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| 03:31.54 | mathias64 | dpkg is full of shit, consider using amd64 if you don't have a good reason to buy 32bit hardware |
| 03:32.03 | phil__ | that's why I asked for redirect exactly what I needd thannks sorry for interrupet. |
| 03:32.58 | phil__ | quit |
| 03:33.00 | fbi | are you typing double letters, or am i high |
| 03:33.15 | mathias64 | fbi: you are SO high right now |
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| 03:33.21 | fbi | apparently. |
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| 03:33.48 | abrotman | ffbbii: what do you mean? |
| 03:34.00 | fbi | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 03:34.07 | fbi | cheesewiz ew |
| 03:34.14 | fbi | that's what geno's puts on their fries |
| 03:34.17 | fbi | that shit is nasty |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | !poutine |
| 03:34.25 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine |
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| 03:35.33 | abrotman | fbi: i don't mind the cheezwhiz on the fries .. |
| 03:35.47 | fbi | ok. i stand corrected. poutine looks even more horrible than cheesewiz. |
| 03:35.57 | abrotman | hehe .. it's canadian :) |
| 03:36.09 | fbi | looks like someone dumped out a diaper onto some indian food, |
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| 03:36.37 | abrotman | fbi: ask SimonRaven .. i've never had it .. though i've seen similar things in the philly area |
| 03:37.06 | fbi | meh. i'm not big on fried foods anyway unless i'm drunk and nothing else is open |
| 03:37.43 | dderr | i started installing gimp, then changed my mind, now gimp is unselected, yet I screwed something up and still have about 400 packages waiting to be installed by dselect, how can i fix this |
| 03:38.04 | bob2 | don't use dselect |
| 03:38.08 | bob2 | it's like sendmail |
| 03:38.14 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:38.18 | bob2 | only use it if it's already integrated into your body |
| 03:38.20 | Guerin | it works |
| 03:38.25 | dderr | bob2:lol |
| 03:38.34 | Guerin | but if you can use it, you can probably do the same thing using netcat |
| 03:38.38 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:38.53 | bob2 | I want an oompa loompa with netcat to filter my incoming mail |
| 03:39.19 | Guerin | bob2: outsource it to oopa-loompa land |
| 03:39.22 | abrotman | you want chubby people readin your mail ? |
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| 03:41.24 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 03:41.24 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
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| 03:41.55 | bob2 | wow, everyone has a song now |
| 03:42.12 | pherseu | hi, anyone here is an usenet user ? :) |
| 03:42.21 | fbi | !anyone use pherseu |
| 03:42.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses pherseu, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:42.29 | fbi | that didn't make sense. |
| 03:42.39 | bob2 | a lot easier if you ask your real question to begin with |
| 03:42.47 | abrotman | !sing bob2 |
| 03:42.47 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 03:42.50 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:43.14 | abrotman | bob2: you need a new song .. |
| 03:43.16 | fbi | it didn't say bob2 though |
| 03:43.30 | M_Cheevy | rehi folks |
| 03:43.30 | fbi | is that the generic song for users who aren't cool enough to have their own song |
| 03:43.31 | abrotman | yeah .. we can't all have a cool song like i do |
| 03:43.35 | _sss | Summary: Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o": No |
| 03:43.35 | _sss | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.44 | fbi | !sing fbi |
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| 03:46.53 | abrotman | fbi: if you listkeys bob2 .. most of them have to do with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 03:47.18 | bob2 | that's because I'm a bot |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | !be bob2 barbie |
| 03:47.25 | dpkg | Going to sleep is HARD! |
| 03:47.26 | bob2 | and just reply " dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 " to anyone asking about X |
| 03:47.29 | abrotman | doh! |
| 03:47.29 | fbi | listkeys? |
| 03:47.34 | abrotman | !annoy bob2 |
| 03:47.34 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:47.40 | abrotman | fbi: /msg dpkg listkeys bob2 |
| 03:47.42 | bob2 | fbi: /msg dpkg listkeys word |
| 03:47.44 | fbi | Irssi: Unknown command: listkeys |
| 03:47.45 | bob2 | also listvals |
| 03:47.47 | fbi | oh |
| 03:47.58 | fbi | i'm far too lazy to do that right now |
| 03:48.17 | abrotman | !tell fbi about listkeys bob2 |
| 03:48.48 | fbi | was that supposed to show me a random key |
| 03:48.53 | fbi | 15 of 22 ?> |
| 03:49.16 | SimonRaven | bob2! |
| 03:49.21 | abrotman | SimonRaven! |
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| 03:49.31 | abrotman | SimonRaven: edumacate fbi about poutine! |
| 03:49.53 | bob2 | yo. |
| 03:49.59 | fbi | it looks like beef stew on top of marshmallows |
| 03:50.12 | abrotman | fbi: it's fries, gravy, and cheese curds |
| 03:50.27 | SimonRaven | fbi: fries, a beef or beef-like sauce (or spaghetti sauce, called 'italian poutine') with cheese curds on top of the fires. the sauce is poured over all of that |
| 03:50.29 | fbi | i'd have to sample that after smoking a fatty |
| 03:50.35 | fbi | sounds good though |
| 03:50.39 | SimonRaven | fries* |
| 03:50.44 | abrotman | !cheesesteaksmite fbi |
| 03:50.48 | abrotman | !cheesesteak fbi |
| 03:50.55 | bob2 | after smoking a fatty and having your arteries scrubbed out, perhaps |
| 03:51.11 | bob2 | cheesesteak is another food I'm somewhat surpsied exists |
| 03:51.13 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 03:51.19 | abrotman | bob2: they're very good :) |
| 03:51.29 | abrotman | bob2: and come in chicken cheesesteak variety also |
| 03:51.46 | abrotman | and pizza steak for those who like marinara on thier cheeseteaks |
| 03:51.47 | fbi | yeah but i don't get to eat food like that very often |
| 03:51.53 | bob2 | can I get beef and cbicken? |
| 03:51.57 | fbi | so when i do it's usually the worst kind |
| 03:51.57 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 03:52.03 | bob2 | americans mix meat way too much |
| 03:52.17 | abrotman | you also get a choice of cheese at some locations .. american,provolone,cheezwhiz |
| 03:52.27 | abrotman | and some places to mozerrella too |
| 03:52.35 | abrotman | err s/to/do |
| 03:52.39 | bob2 | cheezwhiz is considered a cheese? |
| 03:52.48 | fbi | white american is the only cheese that should be allowed on steak and a roll |
| 03:52.50 | abrotman | well .. depends how you classify cheese :) |
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| 03:53.07 | abrotman | it's pastuerized/processed/homoginized cheese :) |
| 03:53.08 | bob2 | brie goes wel with everything |
| 03:53.32 | Phated | Brie++ |
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| 03:53.50 | fbi | brie sounds like something you would eat while sipping zima and wine coolers. |
| 03:54.00 | abrotman | fbi: bartles and james ? |
| 03:54.05 | fbi | haha! |
| 03:54.09 | bob2 | I don't even know what zima is |
| 03:54.19 | abrotman | bob2: crappy malt liquor-ish thing |
| 03:54.21 | bob2 | but I do eat it while drinking cool wine |
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| 03:54.27 | bob2 | hah |
| 03:54.32 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zima |
| 03:54.34 | fbi | bob2: some idiotic malt/beer thing that was around in the 80's for like a week |
| 03:54.39 | fbi | they still have it some places |
| 03:54.39 | bob2 | holy god |
| 03:54.45 | SimonRaven | iot's a good food for a cold climate. it was invented around the saguenay area (saguenay/lac st-jean) |
| 03:54.48 | bob2 | that's worse than coke coffee |
| 03:54.49 | abrotman | fbi: 90s |
| 03:54.52 | SimonRaven | it's |
| 03:55.01 | fbi | abrotman: it's all a blur to me anyway |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:55.18 | Phated | bob2: Coke... coffee...? WHERE? |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | Phated: slashdot! |
| 03:56.05 | Phated | :O |
| 03:56.08 | tictac | they should sell more jolt. no one around here sells it :| |
| 03:56.21 | bob2 | also, linus hates gnome and the space shuttle is leaking |
| 03:56.22 | Phated | I want Dr. Pepper around here. |
| 03:56.23 | fbi | tictac: that's because jolt drinkers graduate to crystal meth |
| 03:56.27 | fbi | tictac: get with the times |
| 03:56.30 | tictac | fbi: lol |
| 03:56.36 | bob2 | Phated: they took it off the market here for some reason |
| 03:56.38 | abrotman | bob2: yeah .. but who cares about the space shuttle .. or that linus guy :) |
| 03:56.44 | Phated | bob2: Darn. |
| 03:56.45 | bob2 | maybe people kept mixing it up with cough medicine |
| 03:56.52 | tictac | pfft. |
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| 03:57.06 | fbi | dr. pepper? do you know what goes in that stuff? |
| 03:57.13 | gravity | I love dr. pepper |
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| 03:57.14 | bob2 | puppies? |
| 03:57.18 | fbi | ethelyene glycol (sp?) |
| 03:57.24 | gravity | sweet |
| 03:57.25 | fbi | that's what they put in anti-freeze. |
| 03:57.29 | abrotman | Phated: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=coke+coffee&btnG=Search+News |
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| 03:57.59 | bob2 | I really really doubt dr pepper has ethylene glycol in it |
| 03:58.04 | bob2 | given that it's poisonous and all |
| 03:58.07 | fbi | bob2: look on the side of the can. |
| 03:58.11 | fbi | i'm not bullshitting |
| 03:58.20 | bob2 | I can't buy it here |
| 03:58.40 | tictac | nope. not listed. |
| 03:58.58 | gravity | fbi: Shitty rumors are bad mmmmkay? |
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| 03:59.10 | abrotman | i heard gravity sucks .. i'm moving to the moon |
| 03:59.16 | fbi | "Polyethylene glycol is polymerized ethylene glycol. Dr Pepper reportedly uses it as an antifoaming agent." |
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| 03:59.33 | bob2 | http://wiw.org/~chris/drpepper/ |
| 03:59.36 | bob2 | yeah |
| 03:59.37 | tictac | carbonated water, high fructose corn syrup and/or sugar, caramel color, phosphoric acid, artificial colors and natural flavors, sodium benzoate (preservative), caffeine. |
| 03:59.45 | bob2 | fbi: which is not the same as ethylene glycol |
| 03:59.46 | tictac | thats the ingredients list. |
| 03:59.53 | abrotman | it's the high fructose corn syrup that bothers me |
| 03:59.55 | Kluster_v2 | SimonRaven, nothing was invented around the saguenay lac st-jean, they just like to think they did |
| 03:59.57 | fbi | bob2: i'm still not gonna drink it! |
| 04:00.06 | Phated | abrotman: :O CAFFEINE KICK |
| 04:00.16 | Kluster_v2 | all they have there is snow, trees, snow and more trees.. and bears. |
| 04:00.20 | bob2 | fbi: me either, it tastes like medicines I had as a kid |
| 04:00.20 | abrotman | Phated: yeah .. it's good for addicts everywhere :) |
| 04:00.21 | fbi | soda makes my teeth feel like they are going to fall out anyway |
| 04:00.31 | bob2 | abrotman: everything in the US appears to contain corn syrup |
| 04:00.37 | SimonRaven | Kluster_v2: i bet you're city folk |
| 04:00.45 | gravity | bob2: Sadly true. It's disgusting. |
| 04:00.46 | bob2 | I heard a rumour Iowa was changing it's slogan to "You're eating it." |
| 04:00.56 | Phated | abrotman: Like me. \o/ |
| 04:01.10 | Kluster_v2 | SimonRaven, and poutine was invented in the area of Drummondville |
| 04:01.14 | tictac | they have changed the ingredients, i guess. |
| 04:01.23 | abrotman | bob2: yes .. i know |
| 04:01.30 | tictac | from the can: Calories 150. whereas the site lists 160. |
| 04:01.46 | evilbulgarian | hi, i keep getting "zone foo.com/IN: refresh: failure trying master XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX#53: timed out" i also get a time out when i do dig @nsprimary testdomina.com but when i nmap that port its open can someone please help? |
| 04:02.01 | bob2 | so, if I burn it, I can raise the temperature of 1ml of water by 4.7*150 degrees C? |
| 04:02.11 | Phated | Heh. |
| 04:02.17 | bob2 | that seems like a useful use of it |
| 04:02.30 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: ignore nmap |
| 04:02.45 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: it's impossible for anyone else to hel pyou debug it if you won't give ips and domain names, though |
| 04:03.01 | SimonRaven | Kluster_v2: we're not likely to settle it here. besides, i was saying what i know. for all i know, it was invented in sept-iles or somewhere and we're both wrong |
| 04:03.04 | bob2 | my typing is getting worse |
| 04:03.07 | evilbulgarian | bob2: ok domain name is aresgate.net |
| 04:03.26 | evilbulgarian | bob2: ip is 68.40.247.108 and its also ns1.aresgate.net |
| 04:03.32 | bob2 | primary is ns1.aresgate.net. aka 68.40.247.108 |
| 04:03.37 | bob2 | heh |
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| 04:03.49 | Kluster_v2 | SimonRaven, hehe, I'm from a small town near Levis but moves to Montreal a few years ago, and I don't know Drummondville.. just know they invented it |
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| 04:04.51 | bob2 | amen |
| 04:05.02 | bob2 | that's why we drank a 5L minikeg |
| 04:05.05 | SimonRaven | Kluster_v2: ok. my aunt lived there for a while... shoot, can't remember the name now. st-something |
| 04:05.26 | SimonRaven | it's a speck of town along the fricking highway |
| 04:05.32 | abrotman | yeah .. i love st something . patron saint of vagueness |
| 04:05.42 | SimonRaven | ;p |
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| 04:05.46 | Kluster_v2 | st-nicolas, st-etienne, st-redempteur, st-romuald.. they all start with St- :) |
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| 04:05.57 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: the firewall is misconfigured and is refusing udp port 53 |
| 04:06.00 | SimonRaven | none of those |
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| 04:06.04 | SimonRaven | lemme see a map |
| 04:06.06 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: afaict |
| 04:06.10 | msims | will it harm anything to reboot in the middle of a fsck ie if the power goes out? |
| 04:06.14 | abrotman | dpkg: show SimonRaven a map |
| 04:06.16 | rapsys | I have a problem with debootstrap |
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| 04:06.21 | evilbulgarian | bob2: can u try again i just had bind shut down |
| 04:06.23 | rapsys | where is it's full source ??? |
| 04:06.25 | evilbulgarian | bob2: how did u tell |
| 04:06.32 | abrotman | !deboostrap |
| 04:06.35 | rapsys | with device.tar.gz and so on |
| 04:06.37 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 04:06.37 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 04:06.42 | bob2 | rapsys: same place all other Debian sources are |
| 04:06.46 | bob2 | rapsys: packages.debian.org |
| 04:06.48 | EdLin | I have the new secure apt 0.6 installed in my new sid system. I tried using the instructions (minus unnecesary experimental repositories) to install the .sig file as described on the url pointed to me from the dpkg factoid. Is there something beyond this document I need to know? |
| 04:06.55 | bob2 | rapsys: that is unlikely to be a debootstrap issue |
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| 04:07.02 | rapsys | bob2: I need to compile it for an other distrib |
| 04:07.10 | bob2 | rapsys: debootstrap is a shell script |
| 04:07.15 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:07.43 | dderr | does anyone know were dselects information is stored so i can reset pending installs back to nothing |
| 04:07.52 | rapsys | http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html <= isn't right adress anymore!!! |
| 04:08.04 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: how would bind being shutdown help firewall rules? |
| 04:08.08 | rapsys | http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap/ <= has been compromised |
| 04:08.12 | rapsys | etc... |
| 04:08.19 | abrotman | compromised! |
| 04:08.28 | gravity | wtf |
| 04:08.32 | evilbulgarian | bob2: i have to accept port 53 udp/tcp in shroewall conf can u please tell me how u tested for port being open? could it be possible that isp is blocking it is it possible to check |
| 04:08.45 | bob2 | gravity: from when gluck got hacked in 2003, blade never updated tem |
| 04:08.49 | Phated | Eeep. |
| 04:08.52 | abrotman | gravity: tard meter is in the red! |
| 04:08.54 | gravity | Ah... Wow. Blast from the past. |
| 04:09.17 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: wtf, nmap -sU -p53 ip, from OUTSIDE your network |
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| 04:09.21 | KerPlunk | configure: error: wireless-tools >= 28pre9 not installed or not functional |
| 04:09.25 | KerPlunk | That is what i get when I try to compile Network Manager |
| 04:09.26 | bob2 | why do I not have a job as a sysadmin? |
| 04:09.27 | KerPlunk | That is what dpkg tells me the version I have. |
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| 04:09.39 | bob2 | KerPlunk: you have the headers for that library? |
| 04:09.47 | KerPlunk | bob2: What library? |
| 04:09.47 | gravity | bob2: The desire to work on projects like #debian :-p |
| 04:09.48 | abrotman | bob2: because you're australian? .. how do you feel about croc wrestling ?> |
| 04:10.04 | `vincent | bobbens: you don't hate yourself enough |
| 04:10.04 | bob2 | KerPlunk: libiw-dev |
| 04:10.10 | bob2 | gravity: hah |
| 04:10.27 | gravity | hahahahaha |
| 04:10.33 | evilbulgarian | bob2: it gives me that that port is open|filtered |
| 04:10.35 | bob2 | abrotman: I saw one eat a dropbear once |
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| 04:10.41 | abrotman | bob2: do you have a projected completion date for that ? |
| 04:10.48 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: which is still of no use if you don't read the nmap man page |
| 04:11.00 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: your "iptables -L -v -n" output is of more use than nmap is |
| 04:11.01 | ejofee | why does it take so long until "alt+f1 (etc.)" switches from a graphical display to a text tty (or between graphical displays)? how do i fix this? |
| 04:11.04 | deadcat | anyone using ifrename and udev? seems like ifrename is not doing anything when i plug my usb wireless card in |
| 04:11.17 | abrotman | ejofee: probing ? |
| 04:11.24 | bob2 | abrotman: when people stop increasing the project scope, accept my deposite and give me my goddamn money! |
| 04:11.40 | bob2 | ejofee: I bet you use gpm |
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| 04:12.01 | abrotman | bob2: have you considered liberating other people's savings from a financial institution ? |
| 04:12.15 | gravity | Your money wants to be free! |
| 04:12.21 | bob2 | haha |
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| 04:12.31 | evilbulgarian | bob2: here it is http://phpfi.com/91750 |
| 04:12.35 | bob2 | abrotman: I saw the movie "sugar and spice" the other night, so I'm considering it |
| 04:12.43 | bucky | aussies know how to riot.. they do it up right |
| 04:12.46 | abrotman | bob2: you like the spice girls ? |
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| 04:13.11 | bob2 | bucky: hey, they were mostly redneck surfers |
| 04:13.19 | bucky | heh |
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| 04:13.33 | bob2 | abrotman: turmeric, chili, basil, oregano and thyme? fo' sure! |
| 04:13.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:14.01 | abrotman | thank god they got rid of nutmeg |
| 04:14.08 | Kluster_v2 | note to self: Try not to press the little "X" icon when you want to move a window |
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| 04:14.15 | gravity | It's all about the rosemary |
| 04:14.21 | abrotman | mm .. good song |
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| 04:14.24 | bob2 | Kluster_v2: file a bug on X |
| 04:14.25 | ludi | is debian a glibc or a libc5 based distribution? |
| 04:14.29 | bob2 | ludi: glibc... |
| 04:14.30 | gravity | bob2: I kill you |
| 04:14.41 | bob2 | ludi: as is every distribution since 1492 |
| 04:14.45 | evilbulgarian | bob2: i am also not getting any logs on my fw saying its dropping port 53 udp requests |
| 04:14.51 | warreng | anybody here know all about exim4 and could look at a clip of a config for me and tell me what's wrong? |
| 04:14.57 | gravity | bob2: Actually, jidianni filed a bug on gimp that was almost exactly that |
| 04:14.58 | abrotman | bob2: you think columbus used glibc ? |
| 04:15.01 | p8m | What's wrong with libc5? |
| 04:15.02 | gravity | bob2: ari likes to rant about it |
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| 04:15.51 | bob2 | gravity: haha |
| 04:15.59 | bob2 | abrotman: only when he reached the new world |
| 04:15.59 | ejofee | abrotman: probing what and why so intensely and time-consumingly? |
| 04:16.14 | abrotman | ejofee: bob2 suggested you might be using gpm |
| 04:16.27 | warreng | http://pastebin.com/463268 <-- i'm trying to set it up so if there's a folder /var/mail/virtual/domain.com/user, mail gets delivered there.... but it says can't relay when i try to send to it |
| 04:16.28 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: running a dns primary on a home dsl link is a spanking offence, afaik |
| 04:16.33 | ejofee | bob2: no, i don't use gpm (if you're talking about mouse) |
| 04:16.48 | myren | how do i burn an ISO file to cdrom? |
| 04:16.48 | EdLin | I have the new secure apt 0.6 installed in my new sid system. I tried using the instructions (minus unnecesary experimental repositories) to install the .sig file in the dpkg factoid. Is there something beyond this document I need to know, because it is always saying that packages aren't secure. |
| 04:16.55 | deadcat | anyone using ifrename? |
| 04:16.56 | evilbulgarian | bob2: we do what we can with resources we have :) |
| 04:17.14 | `vincent | myren: cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc (or whatever your burner shows up as) image.iso |
| 04:17.15 | abrotman | ejofee: iirc .. X can probe the videocard/monitor on start |
| 04:17.16 | evilbulgarian | bob2: i even tried with firewall shut off and same errors from the slave |
| 04:17.17 | gravity | ejofee: How long a time scale are we talking here? |
| 04:17.21 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: someone is blocking incoming udp 53 |
| 04:17.25 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: tcp 53 works fine |
| 04:17.29 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: and shorewall config looks ok |
| 04:17.37 | bob2 | deadcat: everyone who installed sarge is |
| 04:17.51 | deadcat | bob2: wow |
| 04:18.00 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: also, www.easydns.org, www.granitecanyon.com |
| 04:18.01 | deadcat | bob2: its required? |
| 04:18.06 | ejofee | gravity: around three secs... but i remember another distro switching screen faster (i wonder why) |
| 04:18.12 | danieldg | deadcat: I am actually using it :) |
| 04:18.14 | gravity | Hrm, that is a long time |
| 04:18.15 | abrotman | three seconds ? |
| 04:18.21 | ejofee | abrotman: 2-3 |
| 04:18.25 | deadcat | danieldg: you have problem with it not renaming the cards? |
| 04:18.29 | abrotman | that's like .. not even time enough to cook water |
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| 04:18.43 | gravity | ejofee: Actually, tbh I think that's normal |
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| 04:18.45 | bob2 | deadcat: it's used by default afaik |
| 04:18.56 | ejofee | gravity: and can't it be changed in any way? |
| 04:18.58 | danieldg | deadcat: no. I do have to ifconfig down them first |
| 04:19.05 | gravity | ejofee: Have fun hacking on the X server |
| 04:19.07 | warreng | anybody?? i can't find good documentation for exim4 configs... http://pastebin.com/463268 any thoughts? |
| 04:19.25 | EdLin | grrr. |
| 04:19.33 | deadcat | danieldg: when i plug the usb wireless in. its still eth0, i have to sudo ifrename, then it will update.. worked when i was using hotplug. i am thinking ifrename not playing nicely with udev |
| 04:19.48 | bob2 | ejofee: what device is X configured to use? |
| 04:19.58 | evilbulgarian | bob2: is it possible to do something like a traceroute and see where it gets blocked or no |
| 04:20.07 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: yes |
| 04:20.17 | EdLin | is everyone having problems with packages not being "secure" (i.e. not having signatures) in sid or is it just me for missing something in the dpkg directions |
| 04:20.19 | danieldg | deadcat: I don't have any dynamic interfaces |
| 04:20.26 | deadcat | oh |
| 04:20.31 | evilbulgarian | bob2: how can i do that? |
| 04:20.42 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: man traceroute |
| 04:20.53 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: tcptraceroute will show you if tcp ports are blocked |
| 04:21.03 | evilbulgarian | bob2: ok thanks |
| 04:21.21 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: note that you cannot do anything useful unless you're running those tools from a machine outside your isp's network |
| 04:21.31 | ejofee | bob2: nvidia |
| 04:21.34 | evilbulgarian | bob2: yeah i have one |
| 04:21.43 | bob2 | ejofee: mouse device... |
| 04:22.26 | bob2 | actually, nevermind |
| 04:22.33 | tictac | :| |
| 04:22.34 | ejofee | bob2: /dev/input/mice |
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| 04:22.49 | ejofee | bob2: (if that answers your question) |
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| 04:23.34 | EdLin | !test |
| 04:23.34 | dpkg | Sorry, edlin, I didn't get your test. |
| 04:23.44 | EdLin | hmm, that's a new one |
| 04:23.47 | SerajewelKS | xmms is saying a lot of "ALSA lib timer_hw.c:269:(snd_timer_hw_open) extended read is not supported (SNDRV_TIMER_IOCTL_TREAD)". is this okay? |
| 04:24.18 | SimonRaven | st-vallier |
| 04:24.25 | SimonRaven | Kluster_v2: ^^^^ |
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| 04:25.21 | Kluster_v2 | SimonRaven, yeah I know of it.. and I guess you're from the Saguenay area |
| 04:25.34 | sn0rbid | should a Celeron 2.0ghz use kernel-image**686 or 386 ? |
| 04:25.50 | SimonRaven | no, have some friends there, and around there. |
| 04:26.02 | SimonRaven | 636 |
| 04:26.06 | SimonRaven | 686* |
| 04:26.23 | sn0rbid | when I load the 686, I get CPU Context corrupt. |
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| 04:26.34 | bob2 | hah |
| 04:26.38 | tictac | heh. |
| 04:26.41 | tictac | did you try 386? |
| 04:26.42 | sn0rbid | ?? |
| 04:26.46 | ejofee | which one is currently considered the best solution for mounting remote drives by ssh? |
| 04:26.48 | evilbulgarian | bob2: here is the output of traceroute -p53 aresgate.net http://phpfi.com/91751 i think that means that isp which is comcast is blocking it correct? |
| 04:26.58 | sn0rbid | not yet |
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| 04:27.03 | sn0rbid | I shall try now |
| 04:27.06 | tictac | ejofee: i like fuse. |
| 04:27.09 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: how carefully did you read the manpage? -p doesn't do what I thought it would. |
| 04:27.21 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: also, traceroute takes a hostname, not a url |
| 04:27.22 | deadcat | sshfs |
| 04:27.28 | tictac | http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:27.28 | bob2 | rsync |
| 04:27.31 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: there's more than one? |
| 04:27.38 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: absolutely |
| 04:27.47 | SerajewelKS | oh and... |
| 04:27.48 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 04:27.48 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 04:27.54 | SimonRaven | i like shfs |
| 04:28.04 | SimonRaven | tictac: it's in debian |
| 04:28.05 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: which one was the only one you had known? |
| 04:28.17 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: sshfs |
| 04:28.28 | SimonRaven | !shfs |
| 04:28.28 | dpkg | [shfs] http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
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| 04:28.44 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: if the ssh mount is likely to be changing a lot, and/or you only need access for one user, sshfs |
| 04:29.06 | deadcat | SimonRaven: whats the diff between sshfs? |
| 04:29.07 | tictac | SimonRaven: i know, i was giving him the link therefore he can read what its about, instead of installing it and then reading the docs and having to remove it if he decides not to use it. |
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| 04:29.20 | SimonRaven | tictac: :) |
| 04:29.21 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: shfs is a kernel module, sshfs uses fuse |
| 04:29.27 | deadcat | oh |
| 04:29.46 | bsims | Arrgh my ntp server had stopped answering so fsck thinks I have a superblock with a future date... I now have ntp talking to a live server should I be concerned? |
| 04:30.00 | ejofee | shfs segfaults on my computer :( |
| 04:30.06 | ejofee | i wonder why |
| 04:30.14 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: if shfs segaulted then the kernel would die, afaik |
| 04:30.18 | SerajewelKS | segfaulted too |
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| 04:30.43 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: unless the kernel handles module segfaults gracefully |
| 04:30.52 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: mine only segfaults any app which is using the mounted share |
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| 04:31.05 | evilbulgarian | bob2: well didnt see anything else but -p for setting port i see that it says its base UDP port what else can i do |
| 04:31.15 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: then shfs is *not* segfaulting. be specific. |
| 04:31.16 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: (and itself, of course) |
| 04:31.26 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: uhm... |
| 04:31.36 | bob2 | evilbulgarian: no, you need to actually read the manpage |
| 04:31.43 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: either you're being clear as mud or it's later than i thought |
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| 04:32.26 | Arafangion2 | What's a good cups driver that outputs a TIFF image? |
| 04:32.40 | SerajewelKS | !sing rtfm |
| 04:32.40 | dpkg | Lay down the boogie and Read That Funky Manual or you die. |
| 04:32.52 | SimonRaven | nah, i've had afs segfault on removal, and didn't kill the kernel. had to reboot though |
| 04:32.57 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: so, after the other app segfaults, i can't access the mounts any longer (with any other app), in fact, trying to access it with any other app crashes the app |
| 04:33.11 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: hrm. i'd use sshfs then =P |
| 04:33.47 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: "the other app" = "the app using the shfs-mounted share" |
| 04:34.03 | Arafangion2 | I need to be able to produce multi-page TIFF images. |
| 04:34.09 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: is it as plain as shfs? |
| 04:34.20 | Arafangion2 | (I've tried google, but it always give me results that allow me to print FROM tiff, not TO tiff) |
| 04:34.22 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: define "plain" in this context |
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| 04:34.56 | PDani | hi |
| 04:35.17 | PDani | what's better? udma2 or udma5 mode with ide-hds? |
| 04:35.43 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Have you considered using "convert"? |
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| 04:36.20 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: It's for a windows network, I happen to have a cups/debian server. |
| 04:36.22 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: just mount... and then use the share; also, is it fstab-mountable? |
| 04:36.47 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: sshfs user@host:folder mountpoint |
| 04:37.12 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: nice, thanks... and is it fstab-mountable? |
| 04:37.15 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: i *think* you can use fstab... not sure. if it needs to be mouted forever, an initscript might work better. |
| 04:37.20 | KerPlunk | bob2: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Zpq1mO21.html |
| 04:37.27 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: right. thank you. |
| 04:37.38 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: i've never tried, so meh |
| 04:37.48 | KerPlunk | bob2: I filed like 32 dependencies that end in -dev so far...but I can't figure this one out. |
| 04:38.03 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with festival? |
| 04:38.08 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: better would be nfs+ssl but who knows if that'll ever happen |
| 04:38.10 | KerPlunk | bob2: I love when debian.org doesn't have packages I want, heh. |
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| 04:38.13 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: So, any suggestions? |
| 04:38.17 | bsims | what's up I've used it at anyrate |
| 04:38.28 | grendal_prime | i need to use text2wave in sort of a strange way |
| 04:38.31 | SimonRaven | nfsv4+gssapi auth |
| 04:38.31 | bob2 | KerPlunk: it's possible it needs a newer version of dbus than sid has |
| 04:38.40 | KerPlunk | dammit, lol |
| 04:38.44 | ejofee | "<SerajewelKS> ejofee: if [1] the ssh mount is likely to be changing a lot, and/or [2] you only need access for one user, sshfs" -- why [1]? why [2]? |
| 04:38.45 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Have you googled for cups and tiff? |
| 04:38.52 | KerPlunk | Who has a never version of dbus then sid...that is ludicrous. |
| 04:38.59 | bsims | anything odd I can't help you with I use it read logfiles |
| 04:39.10 | SimonRaven | KerPlunk: experimental |
| 04:39.21 | SimonRaven | dbus 0.50 IIRC |
| 04:39.38 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: note that sshfs does suck |
| 04:39.47 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: it should be used for quick hacks only |
| 04:39.54 | grendal_prime | instead of the standard way wich would be text2wav myflilename.text -o myfilename.wav i need it tow work like text2wav "this is what i want it to say" -o myfilename.wav |
| 04:40.11 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Yes, I get alot of "how to print fax images to cups", etc. |
| 04:40.17 | SimonRaven | i see what ejofee means by SEGV. i just tried shfs again, and on using rm file, it SEGVed, but the file did get removed |
| 04:40.17 | KerPlunk | bob2: Are you running Network Manager or no? |
| 04:40.24 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: can you do 'echo some text | text2wav - -o file.wav' ? |
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| 04:40.36 | ejofee | SimonRaven: any reason that you can think of? |
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| 04:40.50 | SimonRaven | not without more digging |
| 04:41.02 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: so is shfs the newer approach? |
| 04:41.03 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Does your printer expect its input to be in the tiff format? |
| 04:41.26 | tictac | ejofee: yes. shfs is more expandable and has many more options as compared to sshfs which has maybe 3? |
| 04:41.40 | bsims | grendal_prime: sorry I have no idea... does text2wav accept pipes if so cat "sometext"|text2wav -whatever |
| 04:41.46 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: No. |
| 04:41.50 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: i don't know |
| 04:41.50 | dos000 | anyone know a way of showing "tail -f" via a web interface ? |
| 04:41.54 | bob2 | KerPlunk: haven't done so on Debian |
| 04:41.59 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: I want to be able to print to it, and end up with a tiff file. |
| 04:42.02 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: if you have the option, use nfs |
| 04:42.02 | SimonRaven | empty file it doesn't puke, file with content it does |
| 04:42.03 | KerPlunk | bob2: On Ubuntu? |
| 04:42.09 | ejofee | tictac: and the two projects are completely independent (e.g. not sharing any libs), right? |
| 04:42.11 | bob2 | KerPlunk: yes |
| 04:42.14 | KerPlunk | bob2: You think if I steal Ubuntu's deb it will work? |
| 04:42.26 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: nfs, the game? |
| 04:42.30 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: sshfs has no knowledge of inodes and uses the remote ownerships |
| 04:42.31 | ejofee | SerajewelKS :P |
| 04:42.31 | SerajewelKS | !nfs |
| 04:42.32 | dpkg | [nfs] Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 04:42.38 | SimonRaven | right when rm is doing the unlink(), it goes SIGSEGV |
| 04:42.50 | kingsley | Arafangion2: What "it" do you want to print to when you write "be able to print to it"? |
| 04:43.05 | SimonRaven | ccess("foo", W_OK) = 0\nunlink("foo" <unfinished ...>\n+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 04:43.08 | Guerin | EleckttrusS-USA: hello is not a verb |
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| 04:43.13 | bob2 | KerPlunk: almost certainly not |
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| 04:43.36 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: then you're motivating me to find a solution for my crashing shfs |
| 04:43.36 | tictac | sshfs uses FUSE and is a part of LUFS, which is more for doing ftp transfers over ssh, etc. |
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| 04:43.55 | tga | hey, is kde broken in testing? |
| 04:44.02 | SerajewelKS | IMO fuse was a great idea gone terribly wrong |
| 04:44.05 | tga | "kde" as in the metapackage |
| 04:44.06 | EdLin | tga: yes |
| 04:44.19 | KerPlunk | bob2: damn |
| 04:44.20 | KerPlunk | heh |
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| 04:44.27 | tga | EdLin, any way around it? |
| 04:44.32 | KerPlunk | Why doesn't someone itp Network Manager |
| 04:44.35 | Guerin | tga: don't install it |
| 04:44.35 | bsims | tga: however it's mostly unbroken in Sid |
| 04:44.38 | KerPlunk | Is it a discrimination or something? |
| 04:44.47 | EdLin | tga: dist-upgrade to sid, or reinstall sarge |
| 04:44.47 | SerajewelKS | it's hard to do anything more complicated than toy filesystems in FUSE, since FUSE doesn't do the inode thing |
| 04:44.55 | Guerin | bsims: there's no such thing as mostly unbroken for a metapackage |
| 04:45.07 | tga | EdLin, heh.. not great options |
| 04:45.08 | bsims | Guerin: I was refering to the subpackages |
| 04:45.09 | ejofee | SimonRaven: are you trying to find a solution to that (or at least the problem)? |
| 04:45.10 | Guerin | either all the dependencies are satisfiable, or they ain't |
| 04:45.21 | gravity | KerPlunk: Easier said than done |
| 04:45.23 | bsims | Guerin: I have most all of KDE installed and it all is working |
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| 04:45.36 | tga | is the gnomeness of Ubuntu slipping into Debian? :) |
| 04:45.40 | vincent` | lufs seemed like a great idea, i've never had success with sshfs or lufs mounts tho |
| 04:45.42 | Guerin | tga: don't install it; install kdebase or whatever, and specific packages as you need them |
| 04:45.48 | SimonRaven | ejofee: it's obviously a problem in the module. it didn't used to do that |
| 04:45.53 | SerajewelKS | tga: wtf? |
| 04:45.57 | Guerin | tga: no, gnome was just as broken for a while |
| 04:46.01 | tga | Guerin, I couldn't install it even if I wanted to, it's broken |
| 04:46.06 | tga | Guerin, oh, ok, I feel better now |
| 04:46.11 | ejofee | tga: what do you mean by slipping into? |
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| 04:46.24 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Are looking for a way for cups to convert print jobs into tiff files instead of printing them? |
| 04:46.28 | tga | ejofee, jk, nm me |
| 04:46.32 | SimonRaven | i avoid meta-packages anyway, they always pull in more than i want |
| 04:46.52 | SerajewelKS | EleckttrusS-USA: do you have a question? |
| 04:46.53 | ejofee | tga: yes... but i don't even understand... the joke :) |
| 04:46.54 | KerPlunk | gravity: yea I'm having trouble compiling it. |
| 04:46.54 | KerPlunk | heh |
| 04:46.58 | Guerin | EleckttrusS-USA: hello is still not a verb |
| 04:47.05 | SimonRaven | you mean '/me says hello people' i think |
| 04:47.17 | ejofee | tga: you mean debian seems to become fond of gnome more than it ever used to be? |
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| 04:47.49 | ejofee | tga: oh, i see... kde is broken, so maybe debian doesn't care anymore |
| 04:47.54 | tga | ejofee, not nice for a metapackage to be broken in testing like that.. testing is supposed to be fairly usable |
| 04:48.09 | ejofee | tga: got it :) |
| 04:48.11 | bsims | tga: its undergoing a transition |
| 04:48.11 | KerPlunk | bob2: I didn't have dbus-1-utils installed...maybe this is it. |
| 04:48.13 | cyberyak | I just want to be able to pick and choose from the kde and gnome and use them in blackbox. |
| 04:48.16 | SimonRaven | it's also *testing* |
| 04:48.30 | ejofee | bsims: kde or debian is undergoing a transition :) |
| 04:48.30 | cyberyak | without having to take all the extra *crap* |
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| 04:48.39 | bsims | the KDE transition is finished on Sid and the packages should be filtering down |
| 04:48.43 | KerPlunk | !tell tga about etch |
| 04:48.46 | ejofee | bsims: well, that was a question |
| 04:48.49 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Maybe you should add "-fax" to your google keywords. |
| 04:48.52 | Guerin | cyberyak: nothing's stopping you |
| 04:48.54 | tga | I'm not complaining, just saying |
| 04:48.59 | tictac | kde/gnome is overrated ;) |
| 04:49.14 | SerajewelKS | tga: realistically, testing can be just as broken as unstable |
| 04:49.18 | ejofee | !tell ejofee about etch |
| 04:49.21 | bsims | well don't know what to say except keep trying, or grab the kde packages from Sid |
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| 04:49.25 | cyberyak | true. I am limited by my lack of knowledge |
| 04:49.33 | Guerin | tga: just install the base |
| 04:49.35 | SerajewelKS | tga: nobody guarantees anything. it's *usually* more stable than unstable, but not always. |
| 04:49.37 | heri | anyone around who can give a little guidance on reconfiguring grub after a SATA RAID install? |
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| 04:49.44 | KerPlunk | bob2: no dbus-1-utils wasn't the problem. |
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| 04:49.47 | Guerin | tga: or wait; the problem will solve itself given time |
| 04:49.49 | tga | that's okay, it's not like I absolutelly _need_ KDE now |
| 04:49.52 | KerPlunk | And this shitty redhat.com link for source isn't working. |
| 04:49.58 | Guerin | nobody NEEDS kde |
| 04:50.08 | cyberyak | or I could go to gentoo and portage. |
| 04:50.19 | bob2 | heri: what brand card? |
| 04:50.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: but i like it a lot =) |
| 04:50.28 | EdLin | cyberyak: either way you'll wait about the same amount of time |
| 04:50.33 | Guerin | cyberyak: by the time you were done compiling, debian would be on kde4 |
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| 04:50.52 | cyberyak | portage seems easier than muddling through the real dependencies vs meta dependencies. |
| 04:51.07 | cyberyak | but that may be my own inaccurate thinking. |
| 04:51.10 | rafx | i love debian |
| 04:51.10 | SimonRaven | right. |
| 04:51.13 | rafx | especially when i'm drunk |
| 04:51.17 | cyberyak | lol |
| 04:51.19 | Guerin | cyberyak: it is, if you don't try to actually use it |
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| 04:51.46 | vincent` | lol |
| 04:51.47 | Guerin | if you try to actually do anything other than emerge sync; emerge -u world; it gets Real Complicated Real Fast |
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| 04:51.57 | bsims | ya ever run into fsck whining about a superblock with a future date? should I be all manner of worried, init to 1 and fsck /... or will this sort it selfout in the fullness of time |
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| 04:52.16 | cyberyak | yes |
| 04:52.25 | heri | bob: sort of complicated. had 2 SATA drives connected onboard w/ SiI3114 (nforce2 mobo). got two more and a SiI3112 PCI card, so i want to move the existing two SATAs to the PCI card and use the two new ones with the onboard RAID ports |
| 04:52.27 | cyberyak | well, I'm off to bed. |
| 04:52.35 | bsims | cyberyak: nighters |
| 04:52.43 | SerajewelKS | bsims: if you have the opportunity to do it and you're not on a mission-critical system, it's worth checking out |
| 04:52.46 | cyberyak | got my wife's debian box back to functional |
| 04:52.48 | Guerin | cyberyak: so the deal is; don't install gnome or kde or anything - just install the apps you want. apt-get install blackbox gksnake kbadgers |
| 04:53.04 | cyberyak | that's what I usually do. |
| 04:53.09 | KerPlunk | bob2: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ZTJJ3K79.html this fixed it...but I couldn't manually compile that source...but converting the rpm works...heh(I'm trying to break my system now) |
| 04:53.12 | bsims | SerajewelKS: so running fsck on / in run level 1 isn't likely to hose things |
| 04:53.18 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:53.22 | KerPlunk | I get ./configure to finish bob2, but make gives me dbus errors. :( |
| 04:53.23 | bsims | even though its in 1 it /is/ still mounted |
| 04:53.29 | Guerin | mounted is ok |
| 04:53.30 | SerajewelKS | bsims: you can run fsck on *any* unmounted partition |
| 04:53.32 | Guerin | mounted RW is not |
| 04:53.34 | KerPlunk | something tells me this is way beyond my capabilities. |
| 04:53.42 | SerajewelKS | bsims: or a partition mounted read-only |
| 04:54.00 | bsims | SerajewelKS: Ah and it mounts / ro in runlevel 1? |
| 04:54.04 | Guerin | and / will still work ro, for a limitied set of things |
| 04:54.07 | SerajewelKS | bsims: so if it's mounted RO in initlevel 1, go for it |
| 04:54.12 | Guerin | bsims: not unless you tell it to |
| 04:54.22 | cyberyak | last install was on the wifes laptop and I chose "desktop" then whacked away at stuff I didn't want or need. |
| 04:54.28 | SerajewelKS | bsims: if it's not you can do 'mount / -o remount,ro' iirc |
| 04:54.51 | SerajewelKS | bsims: then check, then when you're done (before you 'init 2') do 'mount / -o remount,rw' |
| 04:54.56 | tictac | building from the ground up is always better. |
| 04:54.57 | Guerin | cyberyak: better to start from the other end |
| 04:55.02 | gravity | It is kind of fun reading the X server. All this insanity. |
| 04:55.03 | Guerin | tga: yeh |
| 04:55.07 | Guerin | tictac: yeh |
| 04:55.10 | heri | bob: sorry, got those two mixed up. nforce has Silicon Image 3112 SATARaid onboard, the PCI card is Silicon Image 3114 SATALink (ie, non raid) |
| 04:55.12 | cyberyak | ok, first I did an FC4 install decided it was too much trouble paring down |
| 04:55.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:55.29 | Guerin | fc's minimal install is about 2G |
| 04:55.30 | cyberyak | and then went the other way. |
| 04:55.31 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: depends if you want to spend more time configuring the system and conserve disk space, or just have a usable system *now* |
| 04:55.58 | tictac | unfortunately, im going to go through the task of removing everything from xebian 1.14 sometime tomorrow. |
| 04:56.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i prefer the bottom-up approach to, but when i put debian on someone else's system for them i give them everything |
| 04:56.05 | cyberyak | it's only a 14G hard drive, so I wanted to be conservative. |
| 04:56.09 | tictac | i dont feel like forking it into a normal debian install. |
| 04:56.10 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: I'll do that. |
| 04:56.12 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: nothing unusable about apt-get install screen rxvt-unicode-ml mutt less openbox mozilla-firefox |
| 04:56.20 | heri | I can move the two SATA drives from the one controller to the other with no problem, but as soon as I connect the RAID0, i lose my boot (presumably because the drives are getting remapped) |
| 04:56.29 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:56.36 | Guerin | and x-window-system-core, naturally |
| 04:56.37 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if you're used to XP like my friends, the 'kde' metapackages makes them a bit more comfortable |
| 04:56.44 | SerajewelKS | metapackage* |
| 04:56.49 | SerajewelKS | how'd that get pluralized |
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| 04:56.59 | cyberyak | I confess it was a time issue for me too. Had my M-I-L wanting to use the internet. |
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| 04:57.10 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: that's what the metapackages are there for, after all |
| 04:57.13 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: I am considering writing a short script that continually scans a directory for .ps files, and converts them. |
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| 04:57.15 | cyberyak | and I wasn't about to let her into my office. |
| 04:57.39 | SerajewelKS | EleckttrusS: what is your native language |
| 04:57.39 | Guerin | EleckttrusS: dont /me everything |
| 04:57.43 | SimonRaven | 'have' |
| 04:58.05 | cyberyak | lol nice quit message |
| 04:58.08 | cyberyak | I'm off |
| 04:58.53 | kingsley | Arafangion2: I might be able to help you if you elaborate on *precisely* what you want to do. |
| 04:59.17 | EleckttrusS | SerajewelKS: ok, it excuses |
| 04:59.23 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Are you familiar with the "print to pdf" concept? |
| 04:59.30 | SerajewelKS | EleckttrusS: but really, what language do you speak? |
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| 04:59.32 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Are looking for a way for cups to convert print jobs into tiff files instead of into printers? |
| 04:59.37 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Substitute "pdf" with "tiff". Yes. |
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| 04:59.49 | kingsley | Arafangion2: OK, I understand. Thanks. |
| 04:59.52 | EpoX | hola? |
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| 05:00.07 | EpoX | alguien habla espaniol? |
| 05:00.10 | heri | bob2: did i lose you? |
| 05:00.11 | SerajewelKS | !es |
| 05:00.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:00.12 | EleckttrusS | EpoX: Yo |
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| 05:00.18 | kjm | has anyone here had success using SWAT to configure samba here? I'm getting blocked when connecting to http://localhost:901 |
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| 05:00.35 | EleckttrusS | i spake spanish |
| 05:00.41 | EpoX | EleckttrusS, tengo un problema con apt-get tenes una idea :P |
| 05:00.49 | EleckttrusS | EpoX: dime |
| 05:00.51 | SerajewelKS | EleckttrusS, EpoX: #debian-es |
| 05:00.56 | EleckttrusS | yo te ayudo |
| 05:01.07 | EpoX | ok te hablo por otra ventana |
| 05:01.15 | ejofee | anything new on silc? |
| 05:01.16 | EleckttrusS | SerajewelKS: i like this irc |
| 05:01.31 | SerajewelKS | EleckttrusS: cool. you'll like #debian-es better, they speak spanish. |
| 05:01.50 | bob2 | heri: ash, so it's not actually raid |
| 05:01.59 | bob2 | heri: using linux oftware raid would be simpler |
| 05:02.49 | EleckttrusS | SerajewelKS: i can this |
| 05:02.58 | EleckttrusS | EpoX: yo te ayudo dime |
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| 05:03.06 | EpoX | te estoy hablando por |
| 05:03.08 | EpoX | otra ventanita |
| 05:03.10 | vincent` | kjm: blocked how ? |
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| 05:03.22 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Have you seen the tiff print driver at http://www.tiff-driver.com?source=adwords |
| 05:03.32 | gravity | EleckttrusS: Take it to #debian-es or the other window, like EpoX said |
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| 05:04.09 | kjm | Unable to connect Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:901 |
| 05:04.19 | heri | bob: ? - you lost me. the two new drives added are set up with the onboard raid controller as a striped set, so I am supposing it will show to the OS as a RAID0. my main problem isn't setting up the raid in software or hardware - it's getting GRUB to understand that the boot drive has been remapped and letting me boot. |
| 05:04.22 | Kovecses | does anyone know offhand what version of kde sid has at the moment? |
| 05:04.45 | kjm | vincent: do I need to "start" swat in some way ? I apt-get install samba swat....then try http://localhost:901 |
| 05:04.52 | Arafangion2 | Kovecses: Check dpkg |
| 05:04.57 | zcot | hi.. i missed installing the desktop task at the end of the install. what's the command to rerun that setup? |
| 05:05.08 | SerajewelKS | Kovecses: packages.debian.org |
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| 05:05.12 | vincent` | kjm: do a 'lsof | grep 901' to see if something is bound to that port |
| 05:05.22 | Kovecses | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 05:05.23 | vincent` | if not you may have to start it with /etc/init.d/swat |
| 05:05.36 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Too expensive. |
| 05:05.36 | EpoX | EleckttrusS, fijate la otra ventana =( |
| 05:05.40 | ejofee | anything new on silc? |
| 05:05.49 | SerajewelKS | vincent`: netstat -tnlp | grep 901 #better ;) |
| 05:05.57 | EpoX | ahhh esta blokeado |
| 05:06.03 | EpoX | por temas de spaw |
| 05:06.11 | EpoX | spam |
| 05:06.11 | heri | Is there a way to get GRUB to rebuild /boot/grub/device.map? or do I have to rewrite it by hand? |
| 05:06.11 | kjm | kjmacken@7[~]$ lsof | grep 901 |
| 05:06.11 | kjm | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 05:06.11 | kjm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.11 | vincent` | SerajewelKS: word, don't know the options lets me man |
| 05:06.14 | SerajewelKS | !tell EpoX about es |
| 05:06.18 | kjm | is that normal??? |
| 05:06.27 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: It appears to be a per-computer license. |
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| 05:06.36 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: At $95 USD, that's expensive. |
| 05:06.50 | SerajewelKS | heri: there is.. i forget exactly what it is (i use lilo) |
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| 05:07.03 | kingsley | Arafangion2: I imagine adding a program like "convert" to cups' output. |
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| 05:07.04 | valdyn | kjm: yes, that's normal, but just use netstat |
| 05:07.14 | EpoX | I do not speak ingles:S EleckttrusS |
| 05:07.23 | SerajewelKS | EpoX: please use #debian-es |
| 05:07.26 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: I should learn how to write custom filters. |
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| 05:07.36 | EdLin | EpoX: #debian-es se hablen espanol |
| 05:07.44 | EpoX | ok ok |
| 05:07.48 | kjm | valdyn : no output from either. So nothing to grep. I assume then that nothing else is using the port. |
| 05:07.53 | zcot | any clue on how to rerun the installer setup again to get some gui? |
| 05:08.05 | heri | anybody: i'm sitting at a grub menu, need to boot but my device mapping has changed due to the install of a RAID0 striped pair. any ideas? |
| 05:08.10 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Do you happen to know if output filters can be added to cups? |
| 05:08.23 | SerajewelKS | kjm: netstat -tnlp |
| 05:08.25 | dabaR | is invoke-rc.d supposed to give any output when there is an error in the syntax you give it? I am having trouble with apache2. I invoke-rc.d apache2 stop, and it tells me nicely it stopped, no matter how many times in a row I do it. But, invoke-rc.d apache2 start gives no output, neither does restart, nor any other word I put except stop. |
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| 05:09.52 | kjm | kjmacken@7[~]$ lsof | grep 901 |
| 05:09.52 | kjm | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 05:09.52 | kjm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.00 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Yes, I do. |
| 05:10.03 | kjm | oops, sry. Wrong paste.....gimmie a sec |
| 05:10.04 | EpoX | EleckttrusS, te hablo en debian-es |
| 05:10.10 | EpoX | EleckttrusS, fijate plz si ? |
| 05:10.12 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Apparently easily, just haven't learnt it ;) |
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| 05:10.29 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Cups is complex. |
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| 05:10.52 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: I already have a filter for pdf, I could start by modifying that. |
| 05:10.53 | heri | Is there anyone in here who can help me manually reconfigure GRUB? Please? |
| 05:10.56 | kjm | SerajewelKS/valdyn/vincent : results at http://pastebin.com/463327 |
| 05:11.04 | dabaR | heri: reconfigure how? |
| 05:11.07 | valdyn | !find ps2tiff |
| 05:11.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ps2tiff' returned no results. |
| 05:11.26 | Arafangion2 | valdyn: How can I run ps2tiff without a shell? |
| 05:11.32 | kjm | so, swat isn't running as a service it would seem......So, is there something I need to do to start it as a service? |
| 05:11.33 | kingsley | Arafangion2: What language is it written in? |
| 05:11.42 | EdLin | EpoX: solo engleis aqui pro favor |
| 05:11.44 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: I don't know. I'm multilingual :) |
| 05:11.48 | heri | dabaR: Added two SATA drives in a striped pair to my onboard RAID controller and moved the two (un-RAIDed) SATA drives to a PCI card... need to explain the move to GRUB so it lets me boot. |
| 05:12.05 | kingsley | Arafangion2: That's great! |
| 05:12.07 | valdyn | Arafangion2: it does not exist |
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| 05:12.40 | heri | dabaR: I can boot fine off the original boot drive as long as the RAID drives aren't plugged in, but once they are mappings change and I can't seem to get grub to let me in. |
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| 05:13.01 | Arafangion2 | valdyn: There are programs that can convert. For sake of discussion, just call it "ps2tiff" |
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| 05:13.43 | KingOfNY | sup everybody |
| 05:13.49 | zcot | aptitude -> tasks -> desktop -> select all... is that the same as the task-desktop given at the end of the debian installation? it looks like too much |
| 05:14.08 | ejofee | any silc user here? |
| 05:14.11 | SimonRaven | daily show++ |
| 05:14.11 | KingOfNY | how would you switch desktop managers? |
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| 05:14.28 | Guerin | KingOfNY: dpkg-recongigure ?dm |
| 05:14.33 | Guerin | reconfigure |
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| 05:15.02 | diah | haiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 05:15.02 | KingOfNY | do i need ?dm as well? |
| 05:15.19 | Guerin | KingOfNY: ?dm represens which desktop manager you want to use |
| 05:15.26 | gravity | zcot: It's a big task. It's supposed to install gnome and kde |
| 05:15.30 | KingOfNY | ahhh ok |
| 05:15.40 | kjm | KingOfNY : yes, but the ? should be g or k .... |
| 05:15.47 | diah | haiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 05:15.54 | valdyn | Arafangion2: for i in *.raw; do fax2tiff "$i";done |
| 05:16.03 | KingOfNY | so if i wanted kde itd be dpkg-reconfigure kde |
| 05:16.03 | Guerin | diah: your keyboard appears to be broken |
| 05:16.12 | gravity | diah: We saw you the first time. Hello. |
| 05:16.23 | Arafangion2 | valdyn: Why does everyone assume I'm trying to convert a fax to tiff? |
| 05:16.40 | kesha | hi, i just have upgraded from woody to etch and im using gnome, but every time gdm is freezing when im entering user and pass, even when i login after reboot gnome is freezing random may be its nautilus because icons disappear and cant do right click, sometimes too freeze all desktop, but ctrl+alt+backspace working.. please help |
| 05:16.43 | valdyn | Arafangion2: i dont, but fax2tiff actually exists. |
| 05:16.54 | Arafangion2 | valdyn: faxes are already essentially tiff images. |
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| 05:17.14 | dererk | Hi there |
| 05:17.26 | valdyn | Arafangion2: im sure you are able to mentally transfer above example to whatever filter you want to apply. |
| 05:17.28 | KingOfNY | anyone familiar with getting wireless working on broadcom chips? |
| 05:17.36 | dererk | I have serious troubles setting up Nfs on debian T |
| 05:17.41 | dererk | I have serious troubles setting up Nfs on debian Etch |
| 05:17.45 | EdLin | kesha: if you can, first upgrade from woody to sarge, then from sarge to etch (though etch is kind of broken at the moment) |
| 05:17.46 | kjm | KingOfNY google NDISWRAPPER |
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| 05:18.08 | heri | Er.... ok. It appears that all I have to do to clear the room is explain my problem... um... 716 more times. Who's next? |
| 05:18.24 | kesha | so you suggest do downgrade to sarge? |
| 05:18.31 | dererk | I looked for every manual on the fucking net and everyone refers to any different service to set NFS |
| 05:18.39 | dererk | Most of them deprecated |
| 05:18.40 | KingOfNY | i know about ndiswrapper, i was just wondering if there was any thing i should be aware of while trying to install |
| 05:18.43 | EdLin | kesha: downgrades are nearly impossible |
| 05:18.45 | Arafangion2 | valdyn: Sure, I can do: for i in *.ps; do ps2tiff '$i'; done |
| 05:18.51 | kingsley | Arafangion2: Do you know about the package named "foomatic-filters"? |
| 05:18.51 | dererk | For example |
| 05:18.55 | Arafangion2 | valdyn: However, that's not exactly a cups backend, right? |
| 05:18.57 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Yes. |
| 05:18.57 | kesha | shit.. sorry |
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| 05:19.11 | kesha | thanks |
| 05:19.21 | dererk | On Etch there is a package called rpc2-tools |
| 05:19.35 | dererk | And there is no package like that on Sarge |
| 05:19.37 | dererk | So |
| 05:19.38 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Interestingly, some printers require tiff, that could make it easy. Thanks. |
| 05:19.45 | heri | Okay, what the hell, let's try again. Anyone want to try to help me get GRUB to understand a drive reconfiguration? |
| 05:19.52 | EdLin | !tell derek -about simple sid backport |
| 05:19.54 | dererk | I have no exit here |
| 05:20.01 | Arafangion2 | heri: man grub-install |
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| 05:20.12 | grabby | anyone here setup hltv ? |
| 05:20.19 | EdLin | dererk: see dpkg's message, it doesn't make sense to run etch or sid for just one package |
| 05:20.19 | kingsley | Arafangion2: If you happen to know the name of a printer that requires tiff, you could use it and "cups" as google keywords. |
| 05:20.22 | heri | Arafangion2: doesn't help me if I can't boot. |
| 05:20.31 | kjm | jesus heri : I would just reinstall :P I don't have the brain for that |
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| 05:20.47 | dererk | Dpkg didn't send me any msg, EdLin |
| 05:20.55 | Arafangion2 | heri: kernel (hd0,0)/boot/mykernel root=/dev/hda1 |
| 05:20.55 | heri | kjm: Sheesh, it can't be that hard, can it? |
| 05:20.58 | staniel | is there a webdav module for apache2 in sid? |
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| 05:21.04 | EdLin | !tell dererk -about simple sid backport |
| 05:21.05 | Arafangion2 | heri: Loads a kernel for the first partition on the first hdd. |
| 05:21.12 | kjm | heri : probably not.....I'm just lazy |
| 05:21.14 | bucky | !tell derek about simple sid backport |
| 05:21.15 | dererk | ok |
| 05:21.18 | Arafangion2 | heri: And tells the kernel that the root is on the first parition on the first hdd. |
| 05:21.26 | Arafangion2 | heri: Then to actually boot: boot |
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| 05:21.53 | ice_1963 | that's /msg dpkg |
| 05:21.58 | heri | Arafangion: Okay, while my drive geometry is different, I've actually got through the root and kernel commands and all looks fine. But when I boot after that point, it just hangs. No error message, no nothing. |
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| 05:22.11 | dererk | EdLin, It doesn't solve my problem at all |
| 05:22.19 | dererk | I'm not trying to upgrade |
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| 05:22.57 | Arafangion2 | heri: What is the error? |
| 05:23.01 | dererk | I'm just having the trouble of finding every fucking manual with different references to packages to mount NFS |
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| 05:23.16 | dererk | "nfs" |
| 05:23.19 | Arafangion2 | dererk: Welcome to NFS :) |
| 05:23.20 | grabby | i'm looking for anyone who might know how to setup Half-Life TV amd64 version ? |
| 05:23.20 | dererk | "nfs-utils" |
| 05:23.27 | dererk | "rcp2-tools" |
| 05:23.33 | dererk | "rcp-bind" |
| 05:23.33 | cte | . |
| 05:23.37 | heri | Arafangion: ? - as I said, no error, nothing at all. Just hangs when I type 'boot' and press Enter. |
| 05:23.45 | dererk | All differents |
| 05:23.52 | dererk | Different packages |
| 05:24.07 | dererk | So: NO Service running |
| 05:24.11 | Arafangion2 | heri: When you type the kernel line, have you ensured that it tab-completes correctly? |
| 05:24.35 | dererk | Arafangion, I would say "enjoy your stay on the hell" |
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| 05:24.44 | dererk | I'm fucking mad with this stuff |
| 05:24.51 | dererk | I'm going to kill google |
| 05:25.02 | Arafangion2 | dererk: Today, there appears to be a trend to use samba instead. |
| 05:25.10 | dererk | Yes |
| 05:25.13 | TNKS | hi. I /just/ got off of a bloated DE to a more minimalistic WM. It's working out great, but I am slowly realizing the little things that I was using. I just found out that `see` is really nice. I imagine that Gnome and KDE's GUIs manage /etc/mailcap, but maybe they keep their own MIME info. What is a convenient way (maybe a GUI?) to manage mailcap? Is it common to edit it directly? |
| 05:25.26 | dererk | But I want to become independent from smb |
| 05:25.32 | Arafangion2 | dererk: Why? |
| 05:25.38 | dererk | Cause it's too slow |
| 05:25.41 | heri | Arafangion2: let me go verify that. |
| 05:25.49 | Arafangion2 | dererk: How so? |
| 05:25.59 | Arafangion2 | dererk: It cache's less, true. |
| 05:26.12 | kjm | dererk : if you can fix my smb problem, I'll fix your NFS problem .... |
| 05:26.23 | dererk | lol kjm |
| 05:26.33 | zcot | gravity: thanks.. I'm just winging it through aptitude :/ |
| 05:26.36 | dererk | My brain is going to blow up |
| 05:26.44 | Arafangion2 | dererk: kjm is a regular here. |
| 05:27.04 | kjm | mine tonight to....I think I shall just go to sleep and attack this damn thing in the morning. |
| 05:27.05 | dererk | kjm, What's your smb problem? |
| 05:27.42 | kjm | dererk : reinstalled, forgot to back up smb.conf. apt-get install swat (which I use for configuration), and damn swat won't turn on or allow connections. |
| 05:27.48 | SerajewelKS | what's that audio editor for linux that's better than audacity? |
| 05:27.58 | b14ck | vim||die |
| 05:27.59 | SerajewelKS | vauge i know, but there's one in particular i'm thinking of |
| 05:28.03 | Arafangion2 | kjm: pastebin your smb.conf file. |
| 05:28.06 | SerajewelKS | starties with a, about six letters |
| 05:28.11 | SerajewelKS | starts* |
| 05:28.18 | dererk | kjm, have you uncomment the service on inetd? |
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| 05:28.37 | bucky | and restarted inetd |
| 05:28.43 | kjm | dererk : I am retarded....thank you!!!! It simply took the easy answer. |
| 05:28.47 | kjm | omg |
| 05:29.09 | Arafangion2 | kjm: Now you have to uphold your end of the deal ;) *grin* |
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| 05:29.20 | bucky | back up your file because swat will over write it |
| 05:29.24 | dererk | apt, omg |
| 05:29.25 | apt | from memory, omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
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| 05:29.30 | kjm | Arafangion2 : well, I would do that, but it seems that I should simply paste a small essay titled "How I wasted my night". |
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| 05:29.43 | bucky | apt, omfsm |
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| 05:30.01 | dererk | kjm, is swat running now? |
| 05:30.18 | bucky | it sucks |
| 05:30.30 | kjm | dererk : not yet . . . .I just went to pour a drink.. |
| 05:30.34 | wolfjb | just bought a new laptop and installed Debian unstable on it - specs are Turion64 ML-34 1Gb RAM 100Gb Hd - had to boot with noapic and nolapic because the clock was ticking 2x as fast as it should be, now this thing is *extremely* slow - everything hits the cpu at 100%, kernel is 2.6.14-2-k7 |
| 05:30.45 | wolfjb | how can I overcome this? |
| 05:30.50 | kjm | bucky : I partially agree. But it is the only tool I've ever used to config smb. |
| 05:30.53 | dererk | kjm, have you uncomment the line and restart inetd ? |
| 05:31.33 | dererk | kjm, you have to have a line like " swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/swat" |
| 05:31.45 | SerajewelKS | bob2: what's that audio editor you told me about? |
| 05:31.54 | dererk | !nfs |
| 05:31.55 | dpkg | nfs is probably Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 05:32.11 | Arafangion2 | dererk: I like that :) |
| 05:32.24 | dererk | Arafangion, like what? ?=¬) |
| 05:32.27 | kingsley | Arafangion2: I'm aware of no better solution than yours of scanning a directory for .ps files and converting them, and at the rate I'm tiring, I'd better retire for the evening. |
| 05:32.34 | kjm | dererk : line #<off> #swat stream nowait ....etc. etc. |
| 05:32.53 | dererk | kjm, you have just save your night |
| 05:32.54 | dererk | :) |
| 05:33.01 | kjm | yuppers :) |
| 05:33.11 | kjm | and I am now logged in to it :) |
| 05:33.16 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: The most ideal solution would be to have a printer backend, which accepts .ps files, and emails the .tiff back. |
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| 05:33.19 | kjm | Now, about your NFS problem. |
| 05:33.20 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Anyway. |
| 05:33.37 | dererk | ^^ |
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| 05:33.55 | kjm | dererk : I hate to say it....but I know nothing about NFS. I am sure there is a good O'Riely book out there though. :) |
| 05:34.13 | dererk | looooooooooooooooooooool |
| 05:34.20 | dererk | What a tricker! |
| 05:34.23 | dererk | xD |
| 05:34.54 | dererk | kjm, go and take some sleep :)~ |
| 05:35.02 | wolfjb | perhaps a better question is what does noapic nolapic do for me? |
| 05:35.16 | kjm | lol, thanks for the tip :) |
| 05:35.18 | kjm | g'night |
| 05:35.27 | dererk | gnight dude |
| 05:35.39 | wolfjb | should I try recompiling the kernel manually for amd64 since one doesn't seem to exist prebuilt? |
| 05:35.42 | bsims | Ok this is fscking wierd... why does fsck think my drive is was last mounted in the future Last mount time: Tue Dec 13 17:07:26 2005 Last write time: Tue Dec 13 17:07:26 2005 Last checked: Tue Dec 13 22:59:31 2005 |
| 05:35.57 | `vincent | wolfjb: there are several prebuild, 2.6.8 2.6.14 |
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| 05:36.16 | dererk | CAN ANYONE HELP MY WITH MY NFS TROUBLE? :( |
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| 05:36.31 | Arafangion2 | dererk: Heh :) |
| 05:36.35 | wolfjb | `vincent, yes, however without the noapic nolapic the clock clicks off seconds twice for each real second |
| 05:36.49 | wolfjb | `vincent, adding noapic nolapic causes the whole thing to bog down |
| 05:37.04 | `vincent | heh didn't notice that and i've been running it for a few days now |
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| 05:37.18 | dererk | Arafangion, you don't have an idea how furious I am with debian/google indexers |
| 05:37.21 | wolfjb | `vincent, how can I make it go fast and have the clock run the right speed |
| 05:37.41 | `vincent | no idea man haven't even checked the issue out |
| 05:38.00 | m0rbid | !kde |
| 05:38.00 | dpkg | i heard kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 05:38.01 | kingsley | Arafangion2: I suppose that might be done with a package like apsfilter or magicfilter, which pre-process print jobs depending on their type of data. I expect one could edit their text configuration files to pipe .tiff files to a bash script that converts them to tiff, but I don't know how it could tell which email address to return the file to. |
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| 05:38.32 | m0rbid | what is the lightest KDE install ? |
| 05:38.36 | dererk | Come one, there isn't any of 715 ppl who have NFS running/NFS knoledge? |
| 05:38.38 | dererk | :'( |
| 05:39.04 | ice_1963 | kde-core |
| 05:39.08 | m0rbid | ty |
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| 05:39.15 | dererk | echo "NFS " >> black.list |
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| 05:40.00 | dererk | Arafangion, aren't you a Nfs mantainer? :D |
| 05:40.05 | Arafangion2 | dererk: No. |
| 05:40.10 | dererk | :( |
| 05:40.35 | dererk | It would be the penny to the pound :-S |
| 05:41.03 | TraceGreen | Hello, anyone know how to disable keyboard and mouse event in linux? that's say, keyboard and mouse is useless in linux. |
| 05:41.36 | m0rbid | yeah |
| 05:41.39 | m0rbid | unplug them |
| 05:41.42 | m0rbid | =) |
| 05:41.44 | dererk | lool |
| 05:41.53 | m0rbid | next? |
| 05:42.02 | TraceGreen | m0rbid, i can't do that. |
| 05:42.08 | m0rbid | why not? |
| 05:42.13 | jbroome | hit them with a hammer |
| 05:42.16 | m0rbid | it doesnt hurt. |
| 05:42.18 | m0rbid | I promise. |
| 05:42.34 | dererk | m0rbid, here! I need help with Nfs! :D |
| 05:42.56 | dabaR | Should apache2ctl be ran as root? |
| 05:43.10 | `vincent | sure |
| 05:43.16 | m0rbid | ? |
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| 05:43.24 | m0rbid | clear |
| 05:43.56 | `vincent | TraceGreen: well hrm if you only have a root account you can unload the mouse module and remove all the relevant entries from /etc/securetty |
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| 05:44.25 | CryptoQuick | Hello everyone; The people in #debianppc haven't replied to my question, so I'm asking it here: I have installed Mac OS X on one partition of my hard drive, and wish to install linux on the other. I left free space for all my linux-related activities, however, the partition tool on the linux install disc doesn't see any partitions on my drive. I suspect that it's the Mac OS X bootloader that is causing this problem, since I had Debian |
| 05:44.31 | dabaR | vincent`: is that my answer? |
| 05:44.37 | bsims | exit |
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| 05:45.07 | `vincent | dabaR: yes |
| 05:45.17 | dererk | I give the fucking Nfs stuff |
| 05:45.56 | dererk | Pleasure to be here for a while |
| 05:46.07 | dererk | Arafangion2, have a good night |
| 05:46.35 | dabaR | `vincent: really? Do you know this for a fact, or guessing? |
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| 05:47.45 | TraceGreen | `vincent, i vnc an remote linux box, and i want that guy just see my operation, so, i ask this channel can i disable linux's mouse and keyboard event? |
| 05:47.57 | dabaR | thanks. |
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| 05:48.02 | CryptoQuick | I was thinking I should boot off my Ubuntu live CD and attempt to install yaboot from there, that way the linux installer would realize that I have free space on the disk. (I don't know exactly why I think that, other than reasons stated earlier) However, I need to know how to install and configure yaboot correctly. |
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| 05:49.37 | Arafangion2 | dererk: It's almost 5pm :) |
| 05:49.43 | Arafangion2 | dererk: _you_ have a good night :) |
| 05:49.58 | dererk | Arafangion2, thanks |
| 05:51.02 | Arafangion2 | Is www.cups.org down? |
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| 05:54.08 | b3nw | where does debian keep all the packages (.deb) that its downloaded by default? |
| 05:54.15 | kingsley | I updated my productivity heuristic to be less sensitive to the first few joins and leaves, and added consideration for "oops"es and "sorry"ies. It seems to have smoothed the curve a little, which I presume is an improvment. |
| 05:54.43 | caphuso | kingsley: how long will it take you to realize that _nobody_ cares? |
| 05:54.49 | kingsley | Statistics on #debian are at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
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| 05:55.20 | EdLin | b3nw: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 05:55.22 | tombo | i have got trouble wie apt-get -t unstable install amule |
| 05:55.27 | kingsley | caphuso: I believe that if you check the logs, you'll see that some people do care. |
| 05:55.49 | tombo | there comes amule: Hängt ab: libcrypto++5.2c2 ist aber nicht installierbar |
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| 05:56.25 | EdLin | kingsley: mostly people who are criticising it |
| 05:56.31 | caphuso | kingsley: no, if i check the logs i see that people try to tell you that it's an useless and flawed idea |
| 05:56.35 | tombo | there comes amule: depends on: libcrypto++5.2c2 but is not installable |
| 05:56.38 | CryptoQuick | Can't anyone help me with my problem? |
| 05:56.44 | EdLin | especially as you've implemented it. |
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| 05:57.07 | caphuso | kingsley: and that's ignoring those that are simply laughing at how ridiculous it is |
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| 05:58.24 | Phated | Laughter is the best medicine? :) |
| 05:59.11 | CryptoQuick | ... I'm starting to agree with Kingsley's productivity heuristic. |
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| 05:59.35 | caphuso | bwahaha |
| 05:59.37 | EdLin | CryptoQuick: #debian-ppc (or is it #debianppc?) |
| 06:00.02 | CryptoQuick | Did you not read my first post here? Nobody replied. I'm still in that channel and nobody has replied. |
| 06:00.21 | EdLin | CryptoQuick: If you agree, then of course Kingsley, who's always somehow in the top five, would be falling over himself to help you. |
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| 06:01.13 | EdLin | CryptoQuick: the reason is not that we know the answer, the reason is that few of the people here run Debian on a Mac. Check out the ppc channel. |
| 06:01.50 | CryptoQuick | I have. There is very little activity on that channel, so nobody has replied to my question during the last half hour. |
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| 06:02.38 | Arafangion2 | CryptoQuick: What is the question again? |
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| 06:04.14 | CryptoQuick | Um... Well, let me simplify it. I installed Mac OS X, then left free space on a separate partition. I try to install linux, but the partition map software on the CD doesn't see the partitions or the free space. I may be using the software incorrectly. |
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| 06:04.39 | bob2 | it sees no partitions at all? |
| 06:04.46 | CryptoQuick | Nope. |
| 06:04.49 | Guerin | You *installed* OSX? Of your own free will? |
| 06:05.07 | bob2 | it's ok aside from the broken-ass terminal emulator |
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| 06:05.21 | Arafangion2 | Yes, terminal.app really sucks. |
| 06:05.27 | kingsley | CryptoQuick: I vaguely recall that some partition software is incompatable with others. |
| 06:05.45 | Guerin | CryptoQuick: you recall wrong. |
| 06:06.12 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: windows fdisk is incompatible with gnu fdisk, for starters. |
| 06:06.26 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:06.28 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: Most of hte time they work fine, but there are a few edge cases. |
| 06:06.29 | Guerin | CryptoQuick: you must be north american, unable to the difference between countries in different hemispheres |
| 06:06.46 | CryptoQuick | OK. |
| 06:06.54 | Guerin | Arafangion2: please explain in 20 words or fewer why I might care. |
| 06:07.12 | kingsley | Good night. |
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| 06:07.23 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: Why? :) |
| 06:07.31 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite kingsley |
| 06:07.32 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer kingsley: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.949302349096747! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 06:07.35 | CryptoQuick | Bye, Kingsley! Good luck on your parser thingy. |
| 06:08.17 | Arafangion2 | kingsley: Parser? You're writting a parser? |
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| 06:08.34 | Guerin | an irc-log-to-meaningless-numbers parser |
| 06:08.34 | CryptoQuick | Um... |
| 06:08.42 | CryptoQuick | Yeah! |
| 06:08.45 | EdLin | Arafangion2: he's writing an intentionally broken metric of "helpfulness" on #debian |
| 06:08.48 | Guerin | don't see why it's taking so long, I can write one of those in about ten minutes |
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| 06:09.14 | CryptoQuick | Thanks. |
| 06:09.15 | CryptoQuick | (I effed up his program now.) |
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| 06:09.15 | EdLin | Guerin: the longer it takes the more he can troll with it. |
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| 06:09.33 | CryptoQuick | (and got banned for it.) |
| 06:09.40 | EdLin | heh |
| 06:09.53 | caphuso | CryptoQuick: removed, not banned. banning would have decreased your productivity |
| 06:09.57 | Arafangion2 | irc is rediculously easy to parse. |
| 06:10.12 | Arafangion2 | Not even worth the useage of flex. |
| 06:10.13 | CryptoQuick | True. Thank you for correcting me. |
| 06:10.27 | caphuso | but then, flood lines do too |
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| 06:10.47 | EdLin | caphuso: not neccesarily, it looks like he /part'ed the channel, so that would decrease his productivity by a third or so. |
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| 06:11.35 | Guerin | kingsley: if you actually want these irc log statistics to be meaningful, provide the code you're using to generate them, and a forum for discussion and improvement of said code |
| 06:11.59 | CryptoQuick | Now that's an idea. |
| 06:12.00 | Guerin | kingsley: that way, at least when we dis on you, you can tell us you're accepting feedback, which currently you're not |
| 06:13.36 | caphuso | and we could optimize the code to replace the equation with a more performant yet as useful call to rand() |
| 06:14.15 | Guerin | nothing like free software for speeding up your dev cycle |
| 06:14.37 | Guerin | I predict you'd have a functional irc-log-to-meaningless-statistics engine up in under an hour of making it public |
| 06:14.43 | caphuso | hrm, the nickname "thanks" is still available |
| 06:15.51 | CryptoQuick | Caphuso: That's so naughty. |
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| 06:17.26 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: quick! check the Productivity-O-Matic! |
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| 06:17.53 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it says i need to finish studying for my calculus final |
| 06:18.16 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: see, now an irc parser which could tell you if you actually had something more important to do would be useful |
| 06:18.20 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 06:18.26 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.37 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: maybe he can integrate it with kcal |
| 06:19.12 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: with those annoying lockouts like some offices happen for typing |
| 06:19.33 | Guerin | 55 minutes of the hour, iptables just DROPs irc traffic |
| 06:19.38 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: maybe even a screen saver |
| 06:19.46 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: heck, let's turn it into a desktop environment |
| 06:19.49 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: electrodes in the brain |
| 06:20.03 | SerajewelKS | the "irc parser" desktop |
| 06:20.04 | Guerin | "I'm sorry, Sera. I can't let you talk on IRC right now." |
| 06:20.40 | SerajewelKS | IRCPD for short |
| 06:21.01 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: and it could be written in java, so as to run everywhere!!1 |
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| 06:22.01 | Guerin | so ... it would appear that one of my evening classes has been cancelled |
| 06:22.09 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 06:22.28 | SerajewelKS | lucky bastard |
| 06:22.37 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: You were going to attend? |
| 06:22.47 | sifi | how can I remove a package+all files that is associated in /usr/share etc? |
| 06:22.55 | Guerin | Arafangion2: I was going to teach. |
| 06:22.57 | SerajewelKS | sifi: dpkg -r packagename |
| 06:22.58 | jm_ | sifi: read the FAQ |
| 06:23.15 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: What do you teach? |
| 06:23.32 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: I think I've asked you a while ago, but I can never remember ;( |
| 06:23.33 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: metaphysics.. |
| 06:23.36 | Guerin | Arafangion2: Yongeo mal. |
| 06:23.42 | SerajewelKS | that too |
| 06:24.02 | Arafangion2 | Yongeo mal? Some kind of obscure religion? |
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| 06:25.06 | Guerin | Arafangion2: you might think so, but it's nothing more than teaching Korean kids english. |
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| 06:25.27 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: Aha, I knew it - some kind of obscure religion :) |
| 06:25.46 | jm_ | I hope they won't go "ALL BASE ARE BELONG TO US" if we ever meet kids taught by Guerin ;) |
| 06:26.09 | e0f | Hi guys, anyone that tell me what is and where is the file that contain "cd" "ls" commands ? |
| 06:26.15 | SerajewelKS | jm_: god damnit, i almost spewed orange juice on my monitor |
| 06:26.23 | Arafangion2 | e0f: man which |
| 06:26.26 | Phated | jm_: Heh, more likely 'Fuck yoooo.' |
| 06:26.29 | jm_ | e0f: /msg dpkg search |
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| 06:26.48 | e0f | jm_: what? |
| 06:26.54 | Guerin | Phated: itym Puckyoo |
| 06:27.03 | CryptoQuick | Arafangion2: manwich? |
| 06:27.07 | Phated | Ah-hah. |
| 06:27.23 | Arafangion2 | CryptoQuick: What? |
| 06:27.31 | Guerin | but I didn't need to teach them that, they think it's american for ! |
| 06:27.32 | CryptoQuick | n/m. |
| 06:27.43 | Dewi | eep, backports.org is all woody stuff. disappointing. |
| 06:27.45 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
| 06:27.53 | Guerin | Dewi: pending |
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| 06:27.56 | Arafangion2 | Dewi: Sarge is still too new. |
| 06:28.04 | Arafangion2 | Dewi: Backport it yourself. |
| 06:28.18 | Guerin | sarge backports are on backports.org, in pending |
| 06:28.28 | Guerin | Dewi: what are you trying to backport? |
| 06:28.40 | Dewi | I was thinking of trying a newer postgreSQL. like 8.1. |
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| 06:28.51 | Guerin | why? |
| 06:28.52 | poonj | anyone here setup a vpn using ipsec? |
| 06:29.04 | Guerin | !anyone use a vpn using ipsec? |
| 06:29.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses a vpn using ipsec, not even the people who use it. |
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| 06:29.09 | e0f | anyone that help me? |
| 06:29.18 | poonj | umm okay |
| 06:29.19 | Arafangion2 | Dewi: I would advise using source, perhaps with checkinstall, in the case of specific daemons such as postgresql. |
| 06:29.20 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 06:29.20 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 06:29.22 | Dewi | Guerin: largely because every problem I have seems to lead to "you should run 8.1", then you could do X |
| 06:29.34 | Arafangion2 | !hand |
| 06:29.35 | dpkg | i heard hand is have a nice day |
| 06:29.36 | Dewi | Guerin: as usual, for free online support |
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| 06:29.49 | Guerin | Dewi: that was for e0f |
| 06:30.02 | ForrestF | whats a good MTX for pop3 service and STMP |
| 06:30.12 | Guerin | ForrestF: no such thing. |
| 06:30.18 | ForrestF | i i mean MTA |
| 06:30.28 | Guerin | ForrestF: MTAs only speak smtp |
| 06:30.42 | ForrestF | ...... |
| 06:30.44 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: Not true, pedantically speaking ;) |
| 06:30.46 | Guerin | ForrestF: you have exim4 installed already, and it's Not Too Bad |
| 06:30.53 | ForrestF | yiu know what i mean |
| 06:30.54 | Arafangion2 | MTA's do not speak POP3 or IMAP, though. |
| 06:31.07 | Guerin | Arafangion2: sure it is. if it speaks anything else, then it's got some non-mta functionality :) |
| 06:31.12 | Dewi | Arafangion2: do sendmail and exim speak POP3 or IMAP? |
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| 06:31.20 | ForrestF | i whant to setup a simple pop3 box |
| 06:31.24 | Arafangion2 | Dewi: Read up. |
| 06:31.25 | EdLin | Dewi: are you on crack? |
| 06:31.33 | Dewi | it was a serious question |
| 06:31.34 | Arafangion2 | ForrestF: I like qpopper |
| 06:31.41 | Arafangion2 | Dewi: Then no, they don't. |
| 06:31.42 | Guerin | ForrestF: dovecot comes recommended. I use courier-imap and courier-pop3 myself |
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| 06:32.04 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: I'm currently using cyrus, I should investigate courier, it seems quite popular. |
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| 06:32.26 | Dewi | Guerin: most debians seem to come with exim running already... do they normally have an imap/pop provider? if so, what? |
| 06:32.32 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: Cyrus appears to work well, is fast, etc, but damn, it is ignorant of *any* concept of diagnostic or error messages of *any* kind! |
| 06:32.32 | Guerin | Arafangion2: it works for me, but I don't really stress-test it. |
| 06:32.49 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: Me either. |
| 06:32.50 | Guerin | Arafangion2: and it has an evil maildir format |
| 06:33.01 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: What's wrong with maildir? |
| 06:33.16 | Guerin | Dewi: they don't because three nines worth of people don't need a popd or an imapd |
| 06:33.37 | Guerin | Arafangion2: cyrus' is 'special', isn't it? |
| 06:33.53 | Guerin | maildir is great - best thing DJB ever did |
| 06:34.06 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: In the same way that sendmail is, I suppose. |
| 06:34.07 | Dewi | Guerin: hmm. so what are mailers like mutt doing? just r/w /var/mail directly? |
| 06:34.16 | Dewi | MUAs I mean |
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| 06:34.27 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: Except that sendmail accasionally gives diagnostic messages. |
| 06:34.40 | EdLin | Dewi: mutt supports both mbox and maildir |
| 06:34.44 | Guerin | Dewi: yeah, or they can use an external popd/imapd, or you can use a tool like offlineimap or fetchmail to fetch your mail and read it locally |
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| 06:35.02 | Dewi | aah. |
| 06:35.18 | Dewi | I always just went "apt-get install mutt" and I could read mail, I assumed there was a daemon in there somewhere linking them |
| 06:35.20 | Guerin | i just log into my imapd with mutt, i found offlineimap to be horribly broken, and with aggrssive header caching it's not too slow |
| 06:35.31 | Dewi | unfortunately my days of being naive of the ways of mail are drawing to a close |
| 06:35.45 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: What do you use if you want to migrate mail from one imap server to another? |
| 06:36.08 | Guerin | Arafangion2: never needed to, but I'd just use tar and cp |
| 06:36.09 | Dewi | Arafangion2: I thought the storage was still normally in /var/mail |
| 06:36.23 | jm_ | you can use mutt for that |
| 06:37.02 | Arafangion2 | What if you want to migrate from one server you *don't* have control over, to another one, or what if you cannot stop the server during the move? |
| 06:37.10 | Guerin | yeah, any mua which can log into more than one imapd and copy messages around could do it fine |
| 06:37.41 | Guerin | Arafangion2: i'd use a mua, I suppose |
| 06:37.55 | Guerin | can't really see myself ever not having my own mailserver, though |
| 06:37.57 | Arafangion2 | That's what I did last time. I wish there was a better way, though. |
| 06:38.08 | Guerin | unless I fall on such desperate times that $20/month is too much |
| 06:38.22 | Arafangion2 | Guerin: Well, once upon a time, I'm sure you did, at least most people start off with one. |
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| 06:39.31 | Dewi | The Bad Old Days |
| 06:39.55 | Dewi | (which I certainly still experience but I'm lucky enough to have known my provider since university) |
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| 06:41.04 | rhyek | hi. what command should i use to scan my dist's cds for packages to be able to use with apt-get install? |
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| 06:41.17 | Guerin | rhyek: apt-cdrom |
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| 06:41.24 | rhyek | cool |
| 06:41.26 | MoNK | hello... |
| 06:41.50 | rhyek | Guerin, where can i find out on what cd a specific package is without scanning all my discs? |
| 06:41.56 | MoNK | i just wanted to say i started playing w/ debian the a bout aweek ago and its great |
| 06:41.58 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 06:41.58 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 06:42.32 | sifi | /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf was never generated when I installed phpbb2, how can I fix it? |
| 06:42.56 | Guerin | sifi: is it not in the package? |
| 06:43.01 | rhyek | cool |
| 06:43.03 | Guerin | sifi: check with dpkg -L |
| 06:43.05 | sifi | Guerin, nope |
| 06:43.08 | Flimzy | sifi: If that's created by the post/pre inst, try reinstalling |
| 06:43.13 | Guerin | sifi: it may be in /usr/share/doc/examples |
| 06:43.17 | Guerin | err |
| 06:43.21 | Guerin | sifi: it may be in /usr/share/doc/phpbb2/examples |
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| 06:44.51 | sifi | Guerin, I've used "find" without any hits |
| 06:45.03 | sifi | Guerin, /usr/share/doc/phpbb2/examples doesn't exist |
| 06:45.18 | Guerin | sifi: that doesn't tell me whether the file SHOULD be in the package, which dpkg -L would |
| 06:45.29 | sifi | Guerin, ah |
| 06:45.31 | jm_ | etc/phpbb2/apache.conf |
| 06:45.33 | jm_ | ... |
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| 06:46.10 | SimonRaven | sifi: dpkg -L <packagename> [<packagename> ...] |
| 06:46.36 | sifi | Guerin, debian:/home/x# dpkg -L phpbb2|grep apache.conf outputs: /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf |
| 06:47.01 | Guerin | sifi: so the file IS in the package, but for some reason it didn't get installed. Do what Flimzy said. |
| 06:47.06 | sifi | Guerin, I have installed phpbb2 with apt not dpkg |
| 06:47.31 | Guerin | sifi: irrelevant |
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| 06:47.56 | SimonRaven | you can run the [pre|post]inst by doing something like sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.postinst configure |
| 06:48.30 | SimonRaven | (yeh i know they're exec already, just habit) |
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| 06:50.13 | sifi | SimonRaven, sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpbb2.postinst configure didn't work but thx anyway, I'll google it |
| 06:50.34 | SimonRaven | !doesn't work |
| 06:50.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 06:51.51 | tijn | wasting his time on irc i think :) |
| 06:51.58 | tijn | morning all btw |
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| 06:52.36 | psychonate | bah, the process of writing school papers deprives me of sleep :( |
| 06:52.41 | psychonate | = not a good morning heh |
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| 06:53.54 | bob2 | coffee and irc will wake you pu! |
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| 06:54.43 | Phated | Ah, coffee. |
| 06:55.01 | bob2 | we appear to only have instant |
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| 06:55.09 | Phated | better than nothing. |
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| 06:56.09 | psychonate | I don't like coffee :( |
| 06:56.13 | psychonate | I suppose there is just no hope for me |
| 06:56.33 | psychonate | besides some up-beat music, that is |
| 06:57.01 | Phated | Coke, then. |
| 06:57.11 | Phated | Meth, if you're desperate and suicidal. |
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| 06:57.33 | bob2 | Oh, for our lost innocent Phated. |
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| 06:58.00 | Phated | Innocent? |
| 06:58.04 | Phated | Surely you jest. |
| 06:58.10 | bob2 | perhaps that is too strong a word. |
| 06:58.13 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 06:58.30 | derek5437 | hello,how do i get stuff from the pool with apt-get? |
| 06:58.30 | Arafangion2 | Phated: Coffee? "Better than nothing"? Surely you jest. |
| 06:58.46 | Phated | Arafangion2: Instant coffee is better than no coffee at all. |
| 06:58.47 | bob2 | derek5437: that's what 'apt-get install blah' does |
| 06:58.57 | Arafangion2 | Phated: Instant is not coffee at all. |
| 06:59.01 | derek5437 | so it already looks in the pool? |
| 06:59.06 | bob2 | derek5437: yes |
| 06:59.12 | derek5437 | thanks bob |
| 06:59.14 | Phated | Arafangion2: It fakes it well enough for me, stop being such a snob. |
| 06:59.15 | bob2 | derek5437: apt was modified at the same time the archive software was |
| 06:59.19 | Arafangion2 | Phated: I'd sooner just put a spoonful of the grounds and put it inot the cup. |
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| 06:59.31 | Phated | Yeah, sure. |
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| 06:59.46 | derek5437 | anyone know where i can get mplayer for powerpc with apt? |
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| 06:59.51 | ejofee | what does it mean "shfsmount.c:20:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory"? |
| 06:59.58 | bob2 | derek5437: marillats site has a link to it |
| 07:00.02 | Arafangion2 | Phated: Then again, I have mine without milk or sugar. Instant coffee is probably toleratable so long as you have either of those addictives, to mask the flavour somewhat. |
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| 07:00.05 | bob2 | ejofee: that you don't have build-essential installed |
| 07:00.18 | derek5437 | whats marillats site? |
| 07:00.20 | Arafangion2 | SlayerXP: GO TEAM ANT!!! |
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| 07:00.31 | Flimzy | derek5437: last I checked... google.com |
| 07:00.33 | bob2 | hey, I drink sugarles short espressos and I still tolerate instant black |
| 07:00.48 | EdLin | !tell derek5437 -about marillat |
| 07:00.52 | derek5437 | whats google? |
| 07:00.57 | Arafangion2 | bob2: Which blend of instant? |
| 07:01.07 | Arafangion2 | bob2: Blend 21 is the main one here. |
| 07:01.10 | bob2 | Arafangion2: some cheap nestle crap |
| 07:01.26 | Arafangion2 | bob2: I'd rather not drink it. |
| 07:01.32 | Arafangion2 | Mind you, I rarely have withdrawal. |
| 07:01.40 | bob2 | I'd rather not have to be up at 6am sometimes |
| 07:02.19 | SlayerXP | my favourite instant is the Nescafe one with the purple lable |
| 07:02.57 | derek5437 | alright guys,thanks for the help cyou |
| 07:03.25 | Phated | SlayerXP: Heh. |
| 07:03.33 | Flimzy | instant coffee is evil |
| 07:03.35 | Arafangion2 | *sigh*, why is email so fundamentally limited. :( |
| 07:03.38 | Flimzy | I don't even buy preground coffee... |
| 07:03.40 | SlayerXP | trying to remember the name.... |
| 07:03.41 | Flimzy | I grind my own |
| 07:03.44 | Arafangion2 | Flimzy: Thankyou for supporting me :) |
| 07:03.50 | Arafangion2 | Flimzy: What's your fav roast? |
| 07:03.51 | bob2 | yay for coffee snobs |
| 07:04.05 | Flimzy | Arafangion2: I honestly don't know the brand... I know it by the label. hehe |
| 07:04.07 | sifi | how can I view the specific requirements for a package? |
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| 07:04.09 | bob2 | "I don't even buy roasted beans, I roast my own." |
| 07:04.09 | Flimzy | right now I have some folgers in my fridge |
| 07:04.13 | SlayerXP | "Alta Rica" |
| 07:04.15 | Mortal1 | hi , anyone know which icq client can change the icq login password? |
| 07:04.15 | Flimzy | but I had to buy it in a pinch at a store I don't usually shop at |
| 07:04.19 | Arafangion2 | Flimzy: For espressos, I prefer the French Roasts, for plungers, I prefer the organics. |
| 07:04.20 | SlayerXP | that's the bunny |
| 07:04.20 | bob2 | "I don't even buy beans, I just grow them in my backyard" |
| 07:04.28 | Arafangion2 | Flimzy: Which is usually medium roast :) |
| 07:04.31 | bob2 | Mortal1: can licq? |
| 07:04.43 | bob2 | Mortal1: I rememer it supporting some weirder stuff no one else did |
| 07:04.54 | Arafangion2 | bob2: Actually, the coffee starts to loose their flavour once they've been ground. |
| 07:04.55 | SlayerXP | the french know nothing about coffee. you could store their entire coffee knowledge on the back of a freedom fry |
| 07:04.56 | Mortal1 | bob2, i havent tried that , i onlyu have kopete and gaim instalkled at this time |
| 07:05.04 | bob2 | Arafangion2: yes, I know |
| 07:05.13 | Mortal1 | bob2, ill install licq and try it .thanks |
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| 07:05.18 | bob2 | Mortal1: np, good luck |
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| 07:06.47 | marc_in_lux_ | good morning |
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| 07:07.40 | marc_in_lux_ | I've installed debian some time ago with root on an lvm. worked very nicely.y /boot is on a normal partition though |
| 07:08.26 | marc_in_lux_ | I now added a s-ata drive to the board's onboard connector. However the module needed to run that seens not to be on my /boot |
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| 07:09.13 | marc_in_lux_ | I'm not really familiar with the whole boot process. Where do I need to search for information as to how to integrate this module into my boot process.? |
| 07:10.12 | jm_ | try adding it to /etc/modules, otherwise you'll have to recreate initrd image if you're using standard Debian kernel |
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| 07:12.33 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: Why would you put root on lvm? |
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| 07:12.51 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: I'd rather just put root onto a 200 MB partition or something. |
| 07:13.37 | marc_in_lux_ | Arafangion, because I wouldn't know how much it growas |
| 07:13.53 | marc_in_lux_ | my /boot is on a 200MB partition |
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| 07:14.20 | marc_in_lux_ | jm_, addidn it to /etc/modules seem not enough |
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| 07:14.31 | jm_ | marc_in_lux_: why not? |
| 07:14.38 | marc_in_lux_ | I believe it must go on the /boot partition to be readable at kernel boot. |
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| 07:14.47 | jm_ | why do you need it at boot? |
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| 07:15.16 | marc_in_lux_ | to be able to access that drive and have it in the LVM volume group |
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| 07:15.21 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: Well, root needs to do little more than hold a couple of directories, /dev, /proc, /sys, and perhaps a small directory of /bin and /sbin |
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| 07:15.29 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: You can put everything else into lvm. |
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| 07:16.04 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: btw, lvm roots have a catch22 - you need lvm to mount an lvm volume, and you need to mount the root before you can access lvm tools. |
| 07:16.14 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: For you, the only option now is to use an initrd. |
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| 07:16.24 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: (Which are even more limited) |
| 07:16.42 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: You now have only a few MB, rather than a few hundred :) |
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| 07:18.31 | jm_ | mrac;then you'll need to figure out initrd stuff |
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| 07:19.29 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: You see now why I prefer a non-lvm root? |
| 07:19.31 | SimonRaven | LVM HOWTO |
| 07:19.48 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: In addition, what the heck do you do if lvm somehow fails? |
| 07:20.07 | jm_ | ask on IRC for help ;) |
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| 07:21.57 | Zugschlus | if you want to rescue a LVM root, you need to have a dedicated rescue system which needs infrastructure |
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| 07:25.15 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: Preferably a CD, stickytaped to the box :) |
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| 07:25.39 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: yes. grml does a great job in doing so. |
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| 07:25.46 | Arafangion2 | grml? |
| 07:25.48 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: but you'll need remote hands to put it in |
| 07:26.20 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: and most cheap datacenters don't give you your own broadcast domain so PXE-based solutions (which grml also offers) are out of the question. |
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| 07:26.37 | Arafangion2 | I usually use knoppix, but I've never used lvm, to be honest. |
| 07:26.45 | Zugschlus | (you might notice that most of _my_ machines are not located locally to me) |
| 07:26.56 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: Nor are mine. |
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| 07:27.19 | Zugschlus | knoppix has moved away from being useful to a fully-fledged end-user distribution |
| 07:27.28 | Zugschlus | grml is more practical for admin purposes |
| 07:27.41 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: I would agree. |
| 07:27.44 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: and who is going to put in the live CD for you? |
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| 07:28.06 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: They usually make me drive there - thank goodness it happens so rarely. |
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| 07:28.29 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: well, the majority of my machines is more than 60 miles away |
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| 07:28.52 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: It takes a whole day for me to drive there and back :) |
| 07:28.53 | Zugschlus | and there are even boxes located in datacenter where I wouldn't get physical access _at_ _all_ |
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| 07:29.11 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: hardly an option if the service has a realistic SLA |
| 07:29.17 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: If I used a data center, I'd ensure that they'd be able to do rudimentary tasks. |
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| 07:29.26 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: that's expensive |
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| 07:29.54 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: That's why I tend to host it myself. |
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| 07:30.24 | Zugschlus | (serial console and remote power switch, of course) |
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| 07:30.40 | Zugschlus | [and boxes that allow to access the BIOS via serial] |
| 07:30.48 | Zugschlus | <the latter being the real challenge> |
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| 07:31.17 | jm_ | only in crap x86 world ;) |
| 07:31.39 | SimonRaven | jm_++ |
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| 07:32.11 | Zugschlus | jm_: when you are running Linux systems inside microsoft shops, customers will insist on being able to convert the boxes to windows should the linux approach fail |
| 07:32.27 | Zugschlus | and it is a good idea to have the local personnel being familiar with the hardware at least |
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| 07:32.48 | Zugschlus | (or to be able to send in a random hardware repair bozo instead of $VENDOR field circus) |
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| 07:33.28 | jm_ | Zugschlus: heh I know, that's why those fucking devices that let you access the box remotely by attaching to its VGA/keyboard are so popular |
| 07:33.43 | jm_ | err I wanted to say expensive, not popular |
| 07:33.49 | Zugschlus | jm_: they are both |
| 07:33.50 | Arafangion2 | Plus 3 good routers. |
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| 07:33.58 | Arafangion2 | _with_ssh_access_ |
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| 07:34.22 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: What do you do when the linux goes down? |
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| 07:34.32 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: reboot it |
| 07:34.42 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: I have never had that fix a problem. |
| 07:34.58 | sparr | for a game to go into debian main, does the content have to be libre in addition to gratis? |
| 07:35.04 | jm_ | serial console server can easily be implemented using multiport serial cards (also expensive) and tools like serial concentrator (it's a shame it needs GNOME) |
| 07:35.09 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: if that doesn't fix the problem, reboot into the rescue system and fix the issue from there |
| 07:35.11 | valdyn | sparr: yes |
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| 07:35.39 | Zugschlus | jm_: I have seen a datacenter implementing a serial console server using usb to serial adapters and cascaded hubs |
| 07:35.43 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: How do you do that? :) |
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| 07:35.55 | jm_ | Zugschlus: yeah that's a good option these days, probably way cheaper too |
| 07:36.02 | Zugschlus | crammed 250 serial console ports onto a single host system at a price of $ 15 per port |
| 07:36.17 | jm_ | yeah very cheap compared to multiport cards |
| 07:36.22 | pnoob | what's the best way to do a network install of Debian? |
| 07:36.30 | marc_in_lux_ | well, if I supposedly wanted to convert my LVM root into a non LVM root, and only needed a couple MB's... I have a 512MG swap partition. How would I do that? What absoluetly needs to be in root? |
| 07:36.41 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: remote power switch, system booting via PXE by default, with PXE normally giving the command to boot locally |
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| 07:36.57 | Zugschlus | marc_in_lux_: you can easily move away /usr, /home, and /var |
| 07:36.58 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: How do you do that if your router is your linux server, and it is down? |
| 07:37.10 | Zugschlus | marc_in_lux_: rest will probably fit in 100 MB easily. I tend to use 200 MB root fs |
| 07:37.16 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: you mentioned three routers |
| 07:37.26 | Arafangion2 | Zugschlus: Three different locations. |
| 07:37.28 | Zugschlus | and I suggested going for two routers and one service linux |
| 07:37.30 | Zugschlus | Arafangion2: aah, ok |
| 07:37.42 | sparr | valdyn: could such a game go in main with gamename-data in non-free? |
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| 07:38.06 | pnoob | can I download and install debian on an ubuntu machine as a separate install? |
| 07:38.09 | valdyn | sparr: if that game is usuable without non-free stuff, yes |
| 07:38.09 | jm_ | sparr: this has been discussed very recently, latest DWN edition has pointers |
| 07:38.17 | sparr | jm_: link? |
| 07:38.20 | sparr | valdyn: thanks |
| 07:38.25 | jm_ | sparr: /msg dpkg dwn |
| 07:38.39 | jm_ | pnoob: what do you think? |
| 07:38.39 | sparr | oooh |
| 07:38.41 | sparr | a newsletter |
| 07:38.50 | chealer | pnoob: what kind of way? put the CD in and boot? |
| 07:38.53 | jm_ | Arafangion2: ala PDF one? |
| 07:38.59 | valdyn | sparr: its somewhat ambigous often i guess, look at the free gameboy emulators |
| 07:39.09 | Arafangion2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.14 | Arafangion2 | jm_: Unless you know of one? |
| 07:39.15 | jm_ | Arafangion2: but why TIFF? |
| 07:39.22 | jm_ | Arafangion2: no, I only use cups-pdf |
| 07:39.26 | pnoob | chealer, prefer to download to disk, and run from there ... is this possible? |
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| 07:39.35 | nevyn | jm_: cause he likes to use network bandwidth and disk space ;) |
| 07:39.41 | sparr | valdyn: its moot for now, the game in question doesnt have multiple user support, which seems to exclude it from debian |
| 07:39.49 | chealer | pnoob: debootstrap? |
| 07:39.51 | Arafangion2 | nevyn: Close. |
| 07:39.54 | valdyn | sparr: nah |
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| 07:40.11 | pnoob | chealer, will look into it, thatnks. |
| 07:40.13 | Arafangion2 | jm_: I'll probably base it on cups-pdf, actually. |
| 07:40.33 | sparr | valdyn: nah as in im wrong? |
| 07:40.34 | jm_ | Arafangion2: yeah, the tricky part will be foo2tiff ;) |
| 07:40.41 | valdyn | sparr: yea |
| 07:40.43 | Arafangion2 | jm_: Heh. |
| 07:41.01 | sparr | valdyn: how would you go about packaging such a game? most people dont want world-writable files in /usr/local/games/... |
| 07:41.02 | jm_ | Arafangion2: ahh there's pstopnm |
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| 07:41.43 | jm_ | sparr: some games let you decide about that and you end up without, say, the ability to have global high scores list |
| 07:42.04 | Arafangion2 | jm_: I just hope that I can specify the details easily. |
| 07:42.15 | Arafangion2 | jm_: ie, 200 dpi (exactly), etc. |
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| 07:42.19 | valdyn | sparr: im sure there's workarounds for that |
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| 07:42.26 | sparr | jm_: well, this is a FPS, you wouldnt have the ability to do such trivial things as set your name |
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| 07:42.35 | valdyn | sparr: and if its just modifying the source to say ~/ instead of /usr/local/ |
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| 07:43.00 | jm_ | sparr: why the hell does it need to store that in /usr/share or /usr/local? |
| 07:43.01 | sparr | jm_: you also couldnt download new maps |
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| 07:43.40 | Arafangion2 | jm_: I also need multi-page tiffs :( |
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| 07:43.50 | Arafangion2 | jm_: It "could be interesting". |
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| 07:44.02 | sparr | jm_: because thats where the game is. its a 'dumb' cross platform game, everything goes in the game's folder. if they implemented ~/ they would also have to do windows /documents and settings/username/, etc |
| 07:44.02 | jm_ | Arafangion2: or simply write a separate file for each page? |
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| 07:44.08 | Arafangion2 | jm_: Not an option. |
| 07:44.31 | jm_ | sparr: ohh tough luck, but I guess it's not that hard to write wrapper functions that can do that |
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| 07:45.02 | sparr | jm_: youd be surprised, especially with regards to map downloading and conflicting map/texture versions between the user and installed game |
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| 07:45.32 | marc_in_lux_ | Zugschlus, thing like lib and bin and sbin will not grow over the life of an installation? |
| 07:47.01 | marc_in_lux_ | looking at my root partition, taking away /root and /home and /var and /usr... that might actually work ;-) |
| 07:48.04 | marc_in_lux_ | could I actually mount root as ro ?only going to rw if I need to fiddle with /etc? |
| 07:48.10 | sparr | marc342: /lib will grow as you install new kernels, at least |
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| 07:48.46 | marc_in_lux_ | sparr, that's not a hobby of mine ;-) |
| 07:49.31 | Arafangion2 | marc_in_lux_: Over the years, you'll very likely install new kernels. |
| 07:49.46 | jm_ | marcels: and what about /tmp? |
| 07:49.53 | jm_ | marc_in_lux_ ^^^^^^ |
| 07:50.08 | Zugschlus | jm_: /tmp is usually a tmpfs on my systems |
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| 07:50.18 | jm_ | Zugschlus: as long as you have enough swap |
| 07:50.24 | Zugschlus | jm_: I usually have 2G |
| 07:50.32 | Zugschlus | and more in LVM if so required |
| 07:50.38 | valdyn | Zugschlus: what's really the benefit of that? |
| 07:50.40 | Zugschlus | for really big temp files /var/tmp is available |
| 07:50.45 | Zugschlus | valdyn: of what? |
| 07:50.52 | valdyn | Zugschlus: /tmp in a tmpfs |
| 07:51.03 | jm_ | it doesn't require space on / |
| 07:51.04 | Zugschlus | valdyn: faster, and you don't have to clean it ;) |
| 07:51.12 | marc_in_lux_ | Arafangion, why? I ran Woody for two years without looking at the kernel |
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| 07:51.45 | marc_in_lux_ | it's a media server in my basement. Lots of room for mp3's and tv shows. And a mythtv, anyway compile from source. That's all it does. |
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| 07:52.42 | valdyn | marc_in_lux_: lib can grow if you upgrade packages, however as long as you stay in the same debian release there's nothing significant to expect.. |
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| 07:54.22 | Arafangion2 | Hmm, I'd rather not make my own filter, does anyone know of a good "TIFF Printer" that can save multi-file tiffs? (Possibly commercial) |
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| 07:54.53 | marc_in_lux_ | ok... so if I can fit my root into my current swap partition, I'll set up a new swap on LVM... then I don't need to copy with initrd. Thanks a lot for your input |
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| 07:55.19 | gndWrk | hi |
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| 07:55.55 | gndWrk | chkrootkit finds this suspicious dir on my debian unstable machine: /usr/lib/kaffe/.system is that anything to be concerned about? |
| 07:56.04 | marc_in_lux_ | There's no special thigngs to consider here, right? I can just can just move these volumes off, hang them into /etc/fstab and go... |
| 07:56.12 | marc_in_lux_ | ? |
| 07:56.18 | valdyn | gndWrk: dpkg -S /usr/lib/kaffe/.system |
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| 07:56.31 | valdyn | gndWrk: or even safer; search that on packages.debian.org |
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| 07:57.13 | marc_in_lux_ | I could even put my lvm onto software raid, and just mirror my 200mb root drive... |
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| 07:57.38 | valdyn | gndWrk: however i think to be sure that a hidden file has no business in /usr/lib at all |
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| 07:58.06 | jewel | check whether it's in the normal kaffe package |
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| 08:00.58 | liable | gndWrk: i think it was supposedly fixed in the latest version of chkrootkit (maybe) |
| 08:01.15 | valdyn | liable: what was fixed? |
| 08:01.20 | liable | gndWrk: google fals positives.. |
| 08:01.35 | liable | valdyn: the kaffe false positive |
| 08:02.00 | valdyn | liable: its reporting the existance of /usr/lib/kaffe/.system, even though its not there? |
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| 08:02.43 | liable | valdyn: vaguely remember reading it in a changelog.. |
| 08:02.52 | valdyn | liable: I see |
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| 08:04.03 | dous | I'm just curious, I think I've stumbled upon a page that tells the time left before the next dinstall run some time ago.. does anyone know where it is? |
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| 08:06.35 | chealer | !dinstall |
| 08:06.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dinstall is the Incoming queue processor that runs on master daily - It's !dinstall until the next dinstall run, or obsolete. katie has replaced it. |
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| 08:07.34 | dous | oh, there it is.. thanks chealer |
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| 08:07.52 | marc_in_lux_ | can I remove /root from the root filesystem? |
| 08:08.10 | weissi | marc_in_lux_: yes you can |
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| 08:08.20 | bucky | but you wouldn't want to |
| 08:08.27 | marc_in_lux_ | why not? |
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| 08:08.33 | bucky | because |
| 08:08.38 | gndWrk | thanks, seems that /usr/lib/kaffe/.system is a legal dir, and chkrootkit reports any hidden file under /usr/lib as suspicious (better safe than sorry category) |
| 08:08.44 | gndWrk | thanks for the help, guys |
| 08:08.44 | liable | marc_in_lux_: yeah and lose all roots bash sits and other interesting things.. |
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| 08:08.54 | Zugschlus | .oO( marc_in_lux_ is a classic example of why one shouldn't heave the real name in the highlight list ) |
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| 08:09.11 | dous | it's not the page that I saw before, but at least it says when katie runs |
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| 08:09.31 | marc_in_lux_ | Zugschlus ? |
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| 08:09.39 | Haukkari | aww. I forgot, again.. how do I build a Debian pacakge from source? |
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| 08:10.01 | Zugschlus | marc_in_lux_: My name is marc as well, and I have "marc" in highlight |
| 08:10.14 | Zugschlus | marc_in_lux_: so, whenever somebody talks to you, I get hilighted |
| 08:10.18 | marc_in_lux_ | sorry, then |
| 08:10.19 | Zugschlus | (my fault entirely) |
| 08:10.19 | chealer | !debbuild |
| 08:10.19 | dpkg | i guess debbuild is dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo-x.y.z; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 08:10.23 | Zugschlus | no need to be sorry |
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| 08:10.31 | Haukkari | chealer: thanks. :) |
| 08:11.06 | marc_in_lux_ | otoh, to me it seems a benefit: you seem knowledgeable. So I profit from you readingand maybe commenting :-) |
| 08:11.33 | jm_ | Haukkari: use debuild script |
| 08:11.43 | Haukkari | dpkg-buildpackage should work fine... |
| 08:11.48 | Haukkari | I'm just building pine for the school server |
| 08:11.53 | Haukkari | even though it's eeeevil |
| 08:12.29 | chealer | I thought there was a better factoid for the question |
| 08:12.43 | Haukkari | chealer: :) |
| 08:12.46 | weissi | weissi rtwebtrtgt |
| 08:12.52 | weissi | sorry... |
| 08:13.08 | chealer | !build package |
| 08:13.08 | dpkg | i guess build package is 'dpkg-buildpackage' or 'apt-get -b source <pkg>' |
| 08:13.23 | chealer | apt-get -b source foo looks more optimal |
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| 08:15.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:15.50 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:16.03 | marc_in_lux_ | bucky: why wouldn't I? |
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| 08:16.34 | liable | marc_in_lux_: he's gone.. |
| 08:16.45 | marc_in_lux_ | grmbl |
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| 08:19.48 | netman1 | Hi All. I try to distinguish between my regular files and the rest (/proc, /sys ...) while using 'find' by using the parameter -xdev, which is supposed to limit itself to the filesystem you give as a parameter. It does search /dev, which I thought to be a separate filesystem. It is, isn't it? |
| 08:20.31 | rapsys | I have a problem with a hard disk |
| 08:20.32 | valdyn | netman1: we dont know, you can look that up in 'df -a' |
| 08:20.43 | rapsys | I don't find which module manadge it |
| 08:20.50 | rapsys | all are at 0 for use |
| 08:21.28 | valdyn | rapsys: whats the real problem? |
| 08:21.30 | netman1 | valdyn: why df and not mount? |
| 08:21.35 | rapsys | I have got a Intel 6300ESB SATA Storage Controller (should be contrôled by ata_piix) |
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| 08:21.42 | valdyn | netman1: mount works too |
| 08:21.45 | rapsys | and an only disk plugged on it |
| 08:22.09 | rapsys | how to know which module is needed by /dev/hda ? |
| 08:22.24 | rapsys | (I am looking for add some module to initramfs) |
| 08:22.30 | valdyn | rapsys: cd /proc/ide; ls, look around |
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| 08:22.43 | liable | rapsys: hmm, it will ne sda if its sata.. |
| 08:22.46 | netman1 | valdyn: see what you mean. Thanks! |
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| 08:23.11 | rapsys | liable: I am switching a buggy redhat to debian |
| 08:23.30 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 08:23.44 | rapsys | ide-disk version 1.18 <= seems that it's this driver that is used |
| 08:23.57 | valdyn | rapsys: that is not a hardware driver |
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| 08:24.20 | rapsys | /proc/ide/driver show me ide-floppy, ide-cdrom, ide-disk |
| 08:24.22 | valdyn | rapsys: at least not a hardware-specific driver |
| 08:24.41 | valdyn | rapsys: yea, not what you're looking for i guess |
| 08:24.59 | valdyn | rapsys: you should have ide-disk in your initramfs though |
| 08:25.06 | fpitt_ | question: is the synaptics touchpad driver built-in in the debian stock linux kernels? |
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| 08:25.23 | valdyn | rapsys: ( if you are booting from in ide disk and that driver isnt compiled into the kernel ) |
| 08:25.49 | valdyn | rapsys: uname -r |
| 08:25.50 | rapsys | valdyn: I have /boot (100MB) on hda1 |
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| 08:25.56 | rapsys | and the LVM2 on hda2 |
| 08:26.13 | rapsys | I need to boot on a / that is in the lvm with grub |
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| 08:26.27 | rapsys | I know how to setup the lvm part+scripts |
| 08:26.29 | liable | why is a sata disk hda?? |
| 08:26.31 | valdyn | rapsys: /boot isnt needed to boot, but grub needs to be able to access that partition |
| 08:26.38 | rapsys | I need to find the requested modules |
| 08:27.02 | rapsys | I use a initramfs for doing the lvm probbing |
| 08:27.11 | rapsys | liable: I don't know at all |
| 08:27.18 | valdyn | rapsys: lsmod | grep piix |
| 08:27.20 | rapsys | if only I know why |
| 08:27.33 | rapsys | ata_piix 12357 0 |
| 08:27.33 | rapsys | libata 43077 1 ata_piix |
| 08:27.38 | rapsys | that's strange |
| 08:27.40 | myren | how do i enter two commands such taht the second one will execute if the first one succeeds? |
| 08:27.50 | valdyn | rapsys: lspci | grep -i IDE |
| 08:27.53 | stew | myren: cmd1 && cmd2 |
| 08:27.53 | myren | im used to using ; to seperate multiple commands, but i dont know how it fails |
| 08:28.03 | myren | stew: thanks |
| 08:28.23 | rapsys | valdyn: 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 6300ESB SATA Storage Controller (rev 02) |
| 08:28.46 | valdyn | rapsys: your hda can only be the pata interface on that sata controller then |
| 08:29.00 | valdyn | rapsys: unless you have an 'unknown' entry in lspci |
| 08:29.07 | rapsys | valdyn: I don't have |
| 08:29.20 | liable | rapsys: check bios. |
| 08:29.28 | rapsys | valdyn: is there a chance that the debian 2.6.14 kernel detect it this like this |
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| 08:29.29 | rapsys | ? |
| 08:29.38 | rapsys | liable: dedicated server :'( |
| 08:29.48 | valdyn | rapsys: 'lsmod', paste output |
| 08:29.57 | liable | rapsys: running 2.6.14?? :( |
| 08:29.59 | valdyn | rapsys: so i can be certain about this.. |
| 08:30.07 | valdyn | rapsys: your hda is currently functional right? |
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| 08:30.24 | rapsys | valdyn: I am currently running a stupid fedora core 3 |
| 08:30.46 | rapsys | it's crash everywhere (yum don't work at all) so I switch it to debian |
| 08:30.50 | valdyn | rapsys: dont care what you are running, only if your hda is working atm |
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| 08:31.07 | valdyn | !paste |
| 08:31.07 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 08:31.16 | valdyn | paste your lspci output |
| 08:31.26 | Sh4dowcat | 2.6.14 is broken at the moment |
| 08:31.26 | rapsys | ok |
| 08:31.31 | rapsys | I maybe need to reboot |
| 08:31.40 | Sh4dowcat | doesn't anybody check the debian-devel mailing list? |
| 08:31.49 | rapsys | maybe playing with udev in debian chroot creak the module status... |
| 08:31.50 | valdyn | Sh4dowcat: doesnt matter for him |
| 08:32.06 | valdyn | rapsys: you want to /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 08:32.42 | raden | will a athlon 1200 run KDE ? |
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| 08:32.52 | valdyn | rapsys: why would it not? |
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| 08:33.25 | rapsys | valdyn: what is the problem with 2.6.14 ? |
| 08:33.27 | raden | slow |
| 08:33.29 | raden | ? |
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| 08:33.52 | valdyn | rapsys: the 2.6.14 debian/unstable package is broken. you shouldnt use unstable, so it does not matter for you |
| 08:34.02 | liable | raden: dont use udev if you dont need it. |
| 08:34.18 | raden | udev ? |
| 08:34.19 | liable | go vanilla! :) |
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| 08:34.40 | rapsys | raden: depend on the amount of RAM and kde version, with 128 don't even hope |
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| 08:34.50 | raden | 512 |
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| 08:34.54 | rapsys | valdyn: I don't want to loose time |
| 08:34.55 | myren | i wish i knew why i were using udev. hotplug actually autodetected what modules were needed, i have to manually run them with udev. |
| 08:34.55 | raden | KDE 3.5 |
| 08:35.04 | meneg | cups won't start currently on sid(with 'error 98'). is there a fix or do I keep using -12? |
| 08:35.05 | valdyn | rapsys: so? |
| 08:35.11 | valdyn | rapsys: who does? |
| 08:35.22 | liable | meneg: gnome?? |
| 08:35.26 | rapsys | valdyn: I just want a running server under debian |
| 08:35.31 | meneg | liable: no |
| 08:35.42 | valdyn | rapsys: i cant help you since you dont provide the info you asked for |
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| 08:35.50 | valdyn | rapsys: i cant help you since you dont provide the info _I_ asked for |
| 08:35.51 | rapsys | wait a feew sec |
| 08:36.01 | liable | meneg: sorry.. |
| 08:36.13 | rapsys | I rebooted my server to be sure to have the correct module and not a garbaged set |
| 08:36.14 | valdyn | rapsys: and for a 2.6.14 debian/sarge, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14, is I already told you |
| 08:36.28 | liable | meh my nicktab foo is weak tonight.. /me wonders off for food. |
| 08:36.46 | rapsys | valdyn: I will put a 2.8 if you want, but i NEED to have a SATA support AND a LVM2 support |
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| 08:37.06 | valdyn | 2.8? uh? |
| 08:37.16 | rapsys | valdyn 2.6.8 |
| 08:37.25 | valdyn | rapsys: I dont care what you use, you choose |
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| 08:37.36 | valdyn | rapsys: not sure if 2.6.8 will support your controller though |
| 08:37.42 | ice_1963 | 2.6.12 |
| 08:37.54 | valdyn | rapsys: lvm2 is supported |
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| 08:38.00 | rapsys | valdyn: that's why I looked for 2.6.14 avaible in unstable |
| 08:38.12 | valdyn | rapsys: /msg dpkg 2.6.14 |
| 08:38.20 | valdyn | rapsys: using unstable is a bad way to solve this |
| 08:38.35 | valdyn | rapsys: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 08:38.38 | valdyn | ^^^ |
| 08:38.40 | Sh4dowcat | again |
| 08:38.45 | Sh4dowcat | 2.6.14 in unstable is broken |
| 08:38.51 | Sh4dowcat | doesn't anybody listen to me? |
| 08:38.51 | rapsys | valdyn: last time someone said this if I followed his advice my stuff wouldn't work at all |
| 08:38.54 | Sh4dowcat | what am I? |
| 08:38.56 | Sh4dowcat | invisible? |
| 08:39.02 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 08:39.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 08:39.06 | myren | why is unstable actually unstable? :/ |
| 08:39.17 | valdyn | rapsys: then dont follow my advice, you dont have to |
| 08:39.38 | myren | i want my quasi-unstable unstable back |
| 08:39.51 | Sh4dowcat | !unstabl |
| 08:39.53 | Sh4dowcat | !unstable |
| 08:39.54 | dpkg | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 08:39.54 | valdyn | Sh4dowcat: hmm? i told him too ) |
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| 08:40.18 | aidan | hello, I'm trying to find the source code for this .deb, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python2.3-subversion |
| 08:40.19 | Sh4dowcat | if you upgrade to linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 |
| 08:40.30 | Sh4dowcat | you deserve the kernel panic that's waiting for you |
| 08:41.24 | ice_1963 | stupid |
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| 08:41.58 | rapsys | back |
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| 08:42.32 | streuner | well, a good advice of somebody using windows :-) |
| 08:42.59 | valdyn | streuner: hmm? |
| 08:43.06 | rapsys | streuner: windows is the worst system I ever seen |
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| 08:43.46 | cmot | Yo all! |
| 08:43.53 | myren | damn my podcast client sucks. i need something which can read the description of the episode without having to open another client. |
| 08:44.05 | cmot | Anybody here knows his way inside a PPD? |
| 08:44.09 | gary_ | Do you guys know of any tools, preferably Command line tools that you can change the track names of cd's using the CDDB? |
| 08:44.20 | valdyn | gary_: yea |
| 08:44.27 | cmot | (#cups has only 4 users, so I ask here...) |
| 08:44.30 | valdyn | gary_: uh, not cmd line atm |
| 08:45.32 | streuner | gary_: apt-cache search cddb or/and search on freshmeat.org |
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| 08:46.21 | weissi | hey, how to search by these "debian tags"? |
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| 08:46.56 | jm_ | weissi: there are documents about it, install the tools and off you go |
| 08:47.05 | valdyn | weissi: debtags-edit ( gtk2 gui ) can do that |
| 08:47.19 | weissi | thnx |
| 08:47.22 | gary_ | streuner: thanks |
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| 08:50.18 | ma3x | any idea what's this source for? deb http://tutuxclan.free.fr/debs ./ ? |
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| 08:51.30 | valdyn | ma3x: why dont you look? |
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| 08:51.47 | weissi | ma3x: zcat `http://tutuxclan.free.fr/debs/Packages.gz` |
| 08:52.00 | ma3x | I can't connect to it |
| 08:52.29 | weissi | ma3x: I can |
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| 08:52.50 | ma3x | weissi, so what's it for? |
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| 08:53.48 | streuner | ma3x: how did you find the bugreport yesterday? |
| 08:53.50 | weissi | ma3x: a mom, please... |
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| 08:54.22 | weissi | ma3x: Packages: geramik, ghtc, gmdub, gmencoder |
| 08:54.45 | ma3x | streuner, I think from #debian-devel's topic |
| 08:54.53 | ma3x | weissi, thanks |
| 08:54.55 | weissi | ma3x: gmencoder.Description: GTK2 frontend for mencoder |
| 08:55.04 | weissi | np |
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| 09:05.39 | weissi | whassup? |
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| 09:09.53 | umbop | erm why if i tried to touch a file in /var/locl/subsys would it give me no space left on device, when df -h shows enough space |
| 09:10.08 | umbop | i'm only using 55% and 11% |
| 09:10.15 | umbop | on both partitions that i have on / and /home |
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| 09:11.23 | SerajewelKS | umbop: maybe you're using all your inodes |
| 09:11.54 | SerajewelKS | umbop: df -i |
| 09:12.03 | umbop | oh yes i am |
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| 09:12.32 | Arafangion2 | umbop: You're using all your inodes? |
| 09:12.36 | umbop | yep |
| 09:12.37 | umbop | says 100% |
| 09:12.41 | Arafangion2 | umbop: How'd you manage that? :) |
| 09:12.43 | SerajewelKS | wow |
| 09:12.45 | umbop | i don't know |
| 09:12.51 | SerajewelKS | time to clear out that porn collection |
| 09:12.56 | Arafangion2 | umbop: Many linked or hardlinked files? |
| 09:12.58 | umbop | there is on porn |
| 09:13.08 | weissi | *g* |
| 09:13.14 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: Porn tends to be much larger than the block size. |
| 09:13.24 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: Not that I speak from experience(!) |
| 09:13.26 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: who said they had to be movies |
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| 09:13.47 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: Oh, we're talking about small 512B porn? |
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| 09:14.11 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: all ext3 filesystems use 512b block size? |
| 09:14.13 | hent | porn ascii animations ftw |
| 09:14.23 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: No. |
| 09:14.43 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: and so your point is? |
| 09:14.43 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: 512B was some random size that I knew was _less_ than a typical block size. |
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| 09:14.54 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: yes, except the ones that aren't |
| 09:14.57 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: oh.. well who knows, maybe jpeg thumbnails |
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| 09:15.09 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: Also larger than a typical block size. |
| 09:15.19 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP: that's quite possibly the most worthless comment i've ever heard |
| 09:15.22 | SimonRaven | dynamic inodes++ |
| 09:15.22 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: jpeg thumbnails are probably about 4 or 8 KB. |
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| 09:15.33 | Arafangion2 | SimonRaven: There are such things? |
| 09:15.35 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: anyway it's a joke |
| 09:15.44 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: I never joke. |
| 09:15.46 | SerajewelKS | i'm using 48% space, 5% inodes on / |
| 09:15.47 | SimonRaven | xfs, and i think jfs too |
| 09:15.47 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: your question was equally worthless. |
| 09:16.01 | Arafangion2 | SimonRaven: Cool. |
| 09:16.15 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP: i was asking Arafangion2 to expose a logic flaw. stfu, thanks. |
| 09:16.23 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: Logic flaw? |
| 09:16.31 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: you can't make me. *thtptptptptp* *taunt* |
| 09:16.44 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 09:16.50 | hent | Funny how this channel was like silent for 15+ mins, then someone mentions porn, and all go wild :P |
| 09:16.51 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: *sigh* nevermind |
| 09:16.55 | Arafangion2 | That reminds me. |
| 09:17.15 | SimonRaven | i'm waiting for some -dev packages to install |
| 09:17.25 | nixxie | !test |
| 09:17.26 | dpkg | Yes, nixxie, you're still online. |
| 09:17.34 | SerajewelKS | does the ntfs driver properly convey ntfs inode info? |
| 09:17.35 | Arafangion2 | hent: There must be alot of people who have a highlight mode on that word, eh? |
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| 09:17.45 | hent | Arafangion :P |
| 09:17.46 | SerajewelKS | 'cause if it does, i have 44 inodes free on my XP installation |
| 09:18.11 | SerajewelKS | 44 out of 63920 |
| 09:18.23 | SerajewelKS | which seems very small for a 32g partition |
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| 09:18.29 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: I don't see how that's important, you don't have write access, do you? |
| 09:18.43 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: when i reboot to windows i like to have write access, yes |
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| 09:18.52 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: NTFS does not have inodes. |
| 09:19.04 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: yes it does |
| 09:19.16 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: You sure? |
| 09:19.21 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: how else could it support hard links |
| 09:19.31 | umbop | hmm there's a way to remove inodes that are no longer needed but i can't find out how, i read it once about checking the inode table |
| 09:19.39 | SerajewelKS | umbop: fsck |
| 09:19.48 | SimonRaven | /dev/hda5 /usr 3512.0 2706.2 805.8 77% xfs ; /dev/hda5 3502288 169923 3332365 5% /usr |
| 09:19.48 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: Fundamentally, NTFS is a database-oriented format. |
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| 09:20.11 | SimonRaven | former space free/used, latter inodes |
| 09:20.12 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: so "inodes" could be table rows then |
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| 09:20.16 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: same concept |
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| 09:20.58 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: Yes and No. Inodes have a very particular pattern of use. To apply it to the NTFS world means applying assumptions that nolonger apply. |
| 09:21.00 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: either way, my ntfs partition shows inode stats, while my fat32 partition doesn't display anything for df -i |
| 09:21.39 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: well i have 44 "things" left on my ntfs partition then |
| 09:21.55 | SerajewelKS | out of some 60k |
| 09:22.38 | Arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: I'll bet that you can still make more than 44 files on windows. |
| 09:22.57 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion2: yeah that'd be pretty sweet |
| 09:23.06 | Arafangion2 | Haha |
| 09:25.51 | Arafangion2 | Damn |
| 09:26.02 | umbop | hmm what's a semaphore array exactly? |
| 09:26.13 | umbop | i can't find the info on a nice explanation on them anywhere |
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| 09:29.00 | weissi | umbop: shared memory |
| 09:29.19 | SimonRaven | sudo apt-get install manpages-dev; man semaphore |
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| 09:29.49 | umbop | oh cool didn't realise there was a man page on it |
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| 09:30.28 | Cowboy4ik | Hi |
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| 09:31.13 | Cowboy4ik | Ahy one heare me? |
| 09:31.18 | SlayerXP | Cowboy4ik: no |
| 09:31.23 | SimonRaven | no. we can see you |
| 09:31.32 | Cowboy4ik | oKtosiTe: |
| 09:31.40 | Cowboy4ik | ok |
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| 09:32.09 | omi | Is there some sort of a common architecture for ieee448 devices under linux 2.4/2.6? |
| 09:32.30 | omi | ugh, ieee488 |
| 09:32.32 | Cowboy4ik | FIFA 2006 |
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| 09:33.24 | Cowboy4ik | play with me FIFA 2006 on line IP adress!!!!! |
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| 09:34.51 | Cowboy4ik | People! I whant play FIFA 2006 on IP - adress with you!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 09:36.05 | Cowboy4ik | 730 - users & any one don't now!? |
| 09:36.07 | SerajewelKS | wtf is fifa |
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| 09:36.36 | wired__ | soccer |
| 09:36.42 | Cowboy4ik | Game of Elictronic Art. Inc FIFA 2006 |
| 09:36.57 | Cowboy4ik | soccer - badblody |
| 09:36.58 | SerajewelKS | Cowboy4ik: can you tell me what fifa has to do with debian? |
| 09:37.30 | WireDDD | yes I would also like to know that |
| 09:37.32 | Cowboy4ik | Do you have FIFA 2006 on your comp? |
| 09:37.50 | SerajewelKS | Cowboy4ik: how is that relevant to anything |
| 09:38.52 | Cowboy4ik | sorry! My english is bad! In not shure understand us |
| 09:39.11 | Cowboy4ik | relevent? |
| 09:39.15 | resiak | Cowboy4ik: This is the wrong channel to ask for a game. Debian is a Linux distribution, and this is a technical support channel. |
| 09:39.32 | Cowboy4ik | oKtosiTe: |
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| 09:40.19 | WireDDD | that was very strange |
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| 09:45.16 | aidan | hello, I'm trying to find the source code for this .deb, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python2.3-subversion, none of the links give me what I want |
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| 09:45.32 | jk_work | apt-get source python2.3-subversion |
| 09:45.46 | SlayerXP | jk_work: he isn't using debian |
| 09:45.50 | jk_work | oh |
| 09:45.58 | SlayerXP | jk_work: and also didn't listen to me answering this question an hour ago |
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| 09:46.29 | blondie | o.O |
| 09:46.36 | blondie | hiding? |
| 09:46.47 | SerajewelKS | typical blonde reaction =) |
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| 09:47.24 | aidan | SlayerXP: sorry, I didn't/can't see your response |
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| 09:48.12 | SlayerXP | aidan: go to http://packages.debian.org/ type in the package name you are interested in, look for the link to the source on the resulting page |
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| 09:48.55 | aidan | SlayerXP: I'm going to end up back here, http://packages.debian.org/testing/python/python2.3-subversion |
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| 09:49.18 | SlayerXP | aidan: "Source Package: subversion, Download: [dsc] [subversion_1.2.3dfsg1.orig.tar.gz] [subversion_1.2.3dfsg1-2.diff.gz] " |
| 09:49.51 | aidan | okay, now I'm not familar with the whole thing, but "dfsg" doesn't look very appealing |
| 09:49.56 | aidan | nor does either contain the source |
| 09:50.11 | aidan | and the subversion download contains the subversion package, not these damn python bindings |
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| 09:50.30 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:50.40 | blondie | erm yeah |
| 09:50.49 | SerajewelKS | aidan: if you don't like debian than don't use it |
| 09:50.52 | SlayerXP | aidan: right okay. clearly the debian package maintainer is on crack, and is trying to deceive you and, in fact, the entire debian community. |
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| 09:51.39 | aidan | SerajewelKS: If you could highlight where exactly I said I didn't like debian, or even where I said I used debian, I shall give you blondie's cake |
| 09:52.09 | aidan | SlayerXP: or all three? I don't know |
| 09:52.49 | aidan | SlayerXP: am I missing something though? is what I said not true? |
| 09:53.05 | SerajewelKS | aidan: you said that the "dfsg" doesn't look very appealing |
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| 09:53.25 | aidan | SerajewelKS: and you used what logic to translate into an attack against debian? |
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| 09:53.40 | SerajewelKS | aidan: the dfsg is a core part of debian? |
| 09:53.57 | SerajewelKS | aidan: and i never said attack |
| 09:54.02 | SlayerXP | aidan: okay, I'll keep this simple. you asked a question. I have now correctly answered your question twice. you don't like the answer so you're asking the question _again_ hopinh to get a different correct answer. |
| 09:54.06 | aidan | SerajewelKS: oh, I thought it was a random key mashing, what does it stand for? |
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| 09:54.18 | SerajewelKS | !dfsg |
| 09:54.18 | dpkg | dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 09:54.28 | aidan | SerajewelKS: oh cool :) |
| 09:54.33 | SerajewelKS | aidan: yeah |
| 09:54.54 | aidan | SlayerXP: could you spare another couple of seconds, because I don't understand |
| 09:54.59 | SlayerXP | you asked where to get the source for a package and I told you. |
| 09:55.13 | SlayerXP | you're now saying that the package doesn't contain what you want. |
| 09:55.18 | aidan | SlayerXP: the source of any of those packages does not match the source given in the description |
| 09:55.33 | SlayerXP | that may be true, but in no way invalidates the answer to your question. |
| 09:56.08 | SlayerXP | asking the same question again will only get you the same, correct, answer. |
| 09:56.08 | aidan | I see, perhaps I need to ask a better question |
| 09:56.17 | Phated | SlayerXP: What was the question? |
| 09:56.49 | aidan | This package, "python2.3-subversion" claims to contain the following list of files: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python2.3-subversion&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 09:56.56 | aidan | I would like to know where I can obtain these files |
| 09:57.13 | SlayerXP | Phated: your turn :) |
| 09:57.38 | Phated | aidan: By getting the package's .deb and doing dpkg -x or something. man dpkg. |
| 09:57.39 | SerajewelKS | aidan: okay, that's not the source package then |
| 09:57.42 | Phated | SlayerXP: Heh. |
| 09:58.02 | SlayerXP | Phated: he's not using debian. |
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| 09:59.00 | Phated | SlayerXP: WTF? What's he doing here, then? |
| 09:59.07 | aidan | Phated: I'm here, you may ask me |
| 09:59.11 | vir182 | Is there a channel for debian developers? i have a question about packaging |
| 09:59.16 | SlayerXP | Phated: you think _I_ know? :) |
| 09:59.20 | Phated | SlayerXP: Heh, sorry. |
| 09:59.27 | Phated | aidan: WTF? What are you doing here, then? |
| 09:59.36 | aidan | I've googled _everywhere_ for those files, and the _only_ place I can find it, is in that debian package |
| 09:59.38 | weissi | aidan: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/subversion_1.1.4.orig.tar.gz is the original and http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/subversion_1.1.4-2.diff.gz is the diffs made by debian people |
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| 10:00.08 | SlayerXP | weissi: he'll probably want the testing or unstable package |
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| 10:00.19 | Zta | Wha's the codename of the latest stable Debian? |
| 10:00.23 | Phated | sarge. |
| 10:00.26 | Zta | thanks |
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| 10:00.46 | Phated | Man, I wish he'd addressed me, my productivity would have gone up! :) |
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| 10:01.07 | aidan | weissi: but the files I'm looking for aren't there, unless they are hiding somewhere |
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| 10:01.35 | aidan | Phated: was my answer satisfactory? :) |
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| 10:01.45 | Phated | Not at all. |
| 10:01.54 | weissi | aidan: what? which files do you search? |
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| 10:02.02 | aidan | weissi: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python2.3-subversion&version=testing&arch=i386 |
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| 10:02.13 | Phated | Then again, you could download the .deb and use ar on it - at least, I believe ar is what is used for archiving .debs. |
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| 10:03.11 | aidan | Phated: ah, excellent |
| 10:03.27 | Phated | Again, I disclaim - I believe. It might be something else entirely. |
| 10:03.29 | Phated | !ar |
| 10:03.29 | dpkg | i heard ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 10:03.38 | Phated | ... eh, bugger it, you can find that out on your own. |
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| 10:05.27 | aidan | Phated: spot on, ar -x thatfile, tar xzf data.tar.gz |
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| 10:05.52 | aidan | thanks so much, and sorry for disturbing the tranquillity |
| 10:06.04 | weissi | aidan: did you ./configure; make it? |
| 10:06.43 | aidan | weissi: ahhh |
| 10:07.02 | aidan | and now I understand |
| 10:07.20 | weissi | aidan: sorry, do you mean that the files installed by this deb are not contained in the deb ??!?? |
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| 10:08.03 | aidan | weissi: I thought the source package was "the source files", rather than the source from which to make the files |
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| 10:08.28 | aidan | which in hindsight was pretty stupid |
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| 10:08.37 | girly_zuit | ??????????? |
| 10:08.44 | girly_zuit | confuze nehhhhh |
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| 10:09.19 | vosti | where can i find a kernel-image2.6.13?...in mirrors i found only 2.6.14 |
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| 10:09.25 | girly_zuit | let me join in |
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| 10:09.27 | weissi | aidan: the tar.gz has to be built first, then packaged to a deb |
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| 10:09.53 | girly_zuit | i don't know what do you mean |
| 10:10.02 | azeem | girly_zuit: check http://www.debian.org |
| 10:10.28 | weissi | aidan: and if there is a "debian/" directory in the source, you can type dpkg_buildpackage (correct spelling???) and it will compile the source and package it to a deb... |
| 10:10.53 | aidan | weissi: I've got the files now, I'm happy, thank you |
| 10:10.58 | weissi | aidan: np |
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| 10:14.00 | girly_zuit | ok |
| 10:14.04 | girly_zuit | i see |
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| 10:14.22 | foo_ | how can i make apache to parse php files? |
| 10:14.31 | foo_ | i mean to parse php files embedded inside html |
| 10:14.33 | foo_ | (not cgi) |
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| 10:16.02 | vyrus001 | foo_: install php ? |
| 10:16.30 | foo_ | idid apt-get install php3 |
| 10:16.33 | foo_ | still doesnt work |
| 10:16.44 | vyrus001 | lol u also need the php mod for apache |
| 10:16.45 | foo_ | it returns the html without parsing the php |
| 10:16.51 | foo_ | vyrus001 which package is that? |
| 10:17.05 | foo_ | cant find mod_php in apt |
| 10:17.13 | vyrus001 | libapache-mod-php5 |
| 10:17.26 | vyrus001 | foo_: do an apt-cache search apache php |
| 10:17.30 | homekneet | vyrus001: not if he's installed php3 ? |
| 10:17.34 | vyrus001 | hehe |
| 10:17.39 | vyrus001 | i KNEW sombody was gona say that |
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| 10:17.46 | homekneet | :) |
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| 10:18.21 | vyrus001 | i was revaling in the glory for knowing somthing that sombody else dosnt for once :P |
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| 10:20.06 | foo_ | well thats what i installed |
| 10:20.07 | foo_ | ... |
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| 10:20.13 | foo_ | idid apt-get install php3 |
| 10:20.22 | foo_ | php3 includes the module |
| 10:20.27 | vyrus001 | foo_: lol ok |
| 10:20.30 | vyrus001 | did u restart apache ? |
| 10:20.38 | foo_ | php3 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module) |
| 10:20.44 | foo_ | isnt it enough? |
| 10:20.47 | foo_ | yea i restrated apache |
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| 10:21.11 | foo_ | i dont need to add anything to apache's conf? |
| 10:21.18 | JoshTriplett | foo_: Is there some particular reason you need php3, and not a newer version? |
| 10:21.18 | jewel | vyrus001, so you are not the lowest form of life anymore? |
| 10:21.36 | acidmage | hi there |
| 10:21.47 | vyrus001 | jewel: i hope :P |
| 10:21.55 | vyrus001 | foo_: no that should be fine |
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| 10:22.16 | foo_ | JoshTriplett thats what apt-cache search gives me.. |
| 10:22.19 | foo_ | not other versions ther |
| 10:22.36 | acidmage | some got xp with debian packages |
| 10:22.51 | azeem | acidmage: is that a question? |
| 10:22.55 | valdyn | !tell acidmage -about ask |
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| 10:23.01 | vyrus001 | foo_: are you sure your php is not being run... did you run phpinfo to make sure |
| 10:23.05 | jewel | acidmage, dude, I got like 30000 XP with packages |
| 10:23.21 | acidmage | oh, yes, sorry, question. :) |
| 10:23.36 | azeem | acidmage: if you mean Windows XP, then no |
| 10:23.42 | foo_ | vyrus001 yea it returns the php tags |
| 10:23.46 | foo_ | to the browser |
| 10:23.50 | foo_ | ie not parsing them |
| 10:23.53 | acidmage | jewel: ok, so you got package-skill on 5 |
| 10:23.54 | acidmage | :) |
| 10:24.17 | vyrus001 | foo_: lol so php is installed but its not running your code? |
| 10:24.30 | jewel | I've got level 5 package-skill and upgraded admin abilities |
| 10:24.31 | acidmage | back to business |
| 10:24.37 | deadcat | i am in a little jam. anyone know how to quote something from a dictionary in MLA format? |
| 10:25.30 | vyrus001 | foo_: what is the file called in your apache dir? |
| 10:25.57 | acidmage | i'm looking for a good howto: build .debs |
| 10:26.06 | Phated | !nm guide |
| 10:26.06 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 10:26.13 | Phated | acidmage: ^ |
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| 10:26.47 | acidmage | yes, i already read this...but i don't get throug the rules file... |
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| 10:27.07 | jewel | the rules file is a Makefile |
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| 10:27.47 | azeem | acidmage: maybe you should ask specific questions |
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| 10:27.55 | azeem | or cite build failures |
| 10:28.11 | acidmage | thats not the problem, i have problems with the syntax |
| 10:28.43 | jewel | you need to learn make syntax? |
| 10:29.23 | acidmage | maybe you got me wrong, i don't wont you to help me, i'm just looking for a good howto :) |
| 10:29.43 | acidmage | yep, thats it: the make syntax |
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| 10:30.03 | acidmage | but man make doesn't says much... |
| 10:30.06 | jewel | there should be loads of docs on the web about make and Makefiles |
| 10:30.41 | JoshTriplett | acidmage: info make is more helpful |
| 10:30.52 | acidmage | ah, ok, i'll try it |
| 10:30.52 | jewel | look for a Makefile howto and read info make |
| 10:30.54 | JoshTriplett | acidmage: (Or you can read the GNU Make manual online) |
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| 10:32.06 | acidmage | ok, the "info make" its what i'm lookin for, thanks! |
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| 10:38.51 | wolverine667 | can anyone tell me what the following message in /var/log/messages means? |
| 10:38.54 | wolverine667 | ReiserFS: hda1: warning: vs-8301: reiserfs_kmalloc: allocated memory 201180 |
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| 10:41.51 | nissemus | Hello... |
| 10:42.02 | nissemus | I have a renegade employer... |
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| 10:42.17 | nissemus | He fired me just like that and wont pay me any more. |
| 10:42.59 | wolverine667 | my condolences |
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| 10:43.24 | wolverine667 | nissemus: just like me |
| 10:43.33 | nissemus | He wants passwords for the server which I have created now what I want to create another root account for the computer (to blackmail hime ofcourse) how can I do that |
| 10:43.44 | djp | have just setup a couple of users on my local machine. however when i attempt to configure the sound (using gnome volume control) it tells me that no sound/mixer is present. sound works fine with my user setup though. can somebody tell me what i am doing wrong? |
| 10:43.54 | SimonRaven | make another username with uid 0 |
| 10:43.59 | azeem | nissemus: please take this up with a laywer, not with us |
| 10:44.11 | azeem | lawyer, rather, I guess |
| 10:44.24 | Ronin | and maybe a therapist too |
| 10:44.26 | nissemus | no no... just want another root user (behind his back) |
| 10:44.28 | SimonRaven | ...and your employment rights office ;) |
| 10:44.36 | Ronin | azeem: im seeing why they let them go though |
| 10:45.04 | goldenDoubt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.15 | Guerin | nissemus: it's a good thing you're too stupid to do this on your own. |
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| 10:45.35 | wolverine667 | does anyone know what this message means? ReiserFS: hda1: warning: vs-8301: reiserfs_kmalloc: allocated memory 201180 |
| 10:45.46 | SimonRaven | !warnings |
| 10:45.46 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
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| 10:46.40 | wolverine667 | dpkg: i just wondered if this could be a harbiner for a filesystem crash |
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| 10:47.03 | SimonRaven | !what are you |
| 10:47.03 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:47.04 | Guerin | goldenDoubt: hrm, time doesn't appear to give its output on stdout |
| 10:47.45 | SimonRaven | i set zsh to output time after a certain period (> 10 sec) |
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| 10:48.41 | resiak | wolverine667: Could mean that your reiserfs has issues, but then all reiserfses have issues ;) |
| 10:48.41 | jcwong | Guerin: why call people stupid while you're not the smarter one? |
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| 10:49.20 | resiak | jcwong: Because Guerin is the smarter one. |
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| 10:49.27 | SimonRaven | .zshrc:314:REPORTTIME=10 |
| 10:49.30 | wolverine667 | resiak: how can i figure out what issues i have? |
| 10:49.40 | resiak | !ricerfs |
| 10:49.40 | dpkg | somebody said ricerfs was the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 10:49.52 | Guerin | jcwong: but I am. I'm not a) trying to blackmail my employer for something I should seek redress for through established channels and b) asking how to do so because I'm too stupid to figure it out for myself. |
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| 10:49.57 | jcwong | resiak: give me 10 reason on your statement. |
| 10:50.00 | resiak | wolverine667: But you're probably fine. You could google the message. |
| 10:50.08 | goldenDoubt | Guerin: can I pvmsg you so I can post the output I wish to format ? |
| 10:50.10 | resiak | jcwong: Guerin just gave 10 reasons. |
| 10:50.11 | wolverine667 | reisak i did |
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| 10:50.18 | Guerin | goldenDoubt: no, i know what you want to get |
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| 10:50.44 | SimonRaven | oh ffs |
| 10:50.53 | Guerin | goldenDoubt: awk '/real/ {print $2}' will grab what you want - probably your sed line works too; it's just a matter of grabbing the time output |
| 10:51.05 | toonX | how can i downgrade e2fslibs , from say .. 1.38-2 to 1.35-6 ? |
| 10:51.28 | toonX | help please |
| 10:51.28 | Guerin | !wayttd toonX |
| 10:51.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, toonX? |
| 10:51.28 | goldenDoubt | Guerin: thanks a lot :) |
| 10:51.28 | toonX | :) one sec |
| 10:51.36 | Guerin | goldenDoubt: try asking #bash; they're the shell geeks |
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| 10:51.56 | seven_six_two | why doesn't ls -R >> filelist.txt do recursive list to the file? |
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| 10:52.37 | resiak | seven_six_two: It _does_. |
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| 10:52.44 | Guerin | seven_six_two: yup |
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| 10:53.40 | Whisky_ | my internet suddenly got too slow :( |
| 10:53.48 | goldenDoubt | Geurin: didn't work...I did that already but nobody answered yet |
| 10:53.51 | toonX | Guerin well, i did an apt-get check and apt complains about some dependencyes not satisfied , one says .. e2fslibs depends on libc6(>=2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2ds1-22 is going to be installed |
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| 10:54.25 | Guerin | toonX: don't mix sarge with etch or sid |
| 10:54.35 | toonX | Guerin but i did .. |
| 10:54.44 | toonX | Guerin so now i have a damn mixed system |
| 10:54.52 | Guerin | toonX: there may or may not be a way to reverse it ... depends how much else you installed and what precisely you did |
| 10:55.02 | toonX | Guerin apt-get -f install wants to remove allmost all the packages |
| 10:55.24 | Guerin | toonX: yeah. Did you install e2fslibs manually, or what? what caused it to come in? |
| 10:55.35 | toonX | Guerin that was my question , how can i downgrade all these packages |
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| 10:56.05 | Guerin | toonX: no ... I need to know what they are. |
| 10:56.07 | rapsys | I have a question |
| 10:56.20 | azeem | rapsys: just ask |
| 10:56.29 | Guerin | toonX: the short answer is, you can't. However there are exceptions to this. |
| 10:56.36 | rapsys | how could a hard disk sata contrôler be used by NO modules |
| 10:56.42 | toonX | Guerin , ok , tell me about it :) |
| 10:56.44 | rapsys | (it seems to be used by nothing) |
| 10:56.54 | Exit83 | *sigh* why is there no one ever active in the #debian-sparc channel .... :( |
| 10:57.15 | azeem | Exit83: how long did you idle? |
| 10:57.19 | rapsys | the module ata_piix that should manage the SATA contrôler should be used, but is at 0 in lsmod |
| 10:57.36 | Whisky_ | ive loaded 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod" modules but my Memory card in the card reader still doesnt not appear as /dev/sda1 and thus i can't mount it. Why ? |
| 10:57.37 | resiak | rapsys: Doesn't mean it's not _used_, just means that no other _module_ is using it. |
| 10:57.48 | resiak | Whisky_: What does dmesg say when you plug in a new device? |
| 10:57.51 | rapsys | resiak: maybe you could help me |
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| 10:58.02 | resiak | rapsys: Depends what with |
| 10:58.16 | Exit83 | well, about 3 times one hour+ the last 3 days on different times |
| 10:58.22 | toonX | Guerin the whole problem is that i got to have all these critical packages (and i don't know how) asking apt for a newer version of packages they depend on, and apt can't find any of them |
| 10:58.23 | Whisky_ | usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using address 3 |
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| 10:58.39 | vyrus001 | Whisky_: its possible that your device is NOT "sda1" it might be sd$foobar |
| 10:58.40 | rapsys | I put you lshw, lspci and lsmod, I need to found which modules is needed to get access to the hard disk |
| 10:59.00 | Guerin | toonX: what changes did you make to your sources.list, and what packages did you upgrade while they were in effect? |
| 10:59.00 | Exit83 | i had one guy responding once |
| 10:59.04 | resiak | Whisky_: Nothing from USB mass storage, or the device being allocated? Do you use udev? Have you checked the BTS? Do you have a recent enough kernel for your udev? |
| 10:59.09 | rapsys | resiak: I try to switch to debian a server under buggy fedora |
| 10:59.15 | Guerin | toonX: if you don't know, you're probably better off just upgrading to etch or reinstalling. |
| 10:59.17 | azeem | Exit83: yeah well, only few people work on the sparc port, and they might be in different timezones than you |
| 10:59.30 | Whisky_ | resiak, I dont have a clue about udev or BTS. But I do have a 2.6 kernel. |
| 10:59.46 | resiak | Whisky_: dpkg -l udev # is it installed? What version of Debian are you using? |
| 10:59.49 | toonX | Guerin makes sense |
| 10:59.54 | azeem | Exit83: also, some might only react to specific issues, like kernel issues or tough porting problems, not general questions |
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| 11:00.02 | Exit83 | yeah, i feel like i must to the unthinkable, try gentoo for sparc :s |
| 11:00.06 | Guerin | "I don't have a clue about holster or safety catch. But I do have a glock 21!" |
| 11:00.14 | Exit83 | *do |
| 11:00.29 | azeem | Exit83: did you try to ask here first? |
| 11:00.38 | azeem | Exit83: or try mailing the debian-sparc list |
| 11:00.45 | Whisky_ | Installed. 3.1. |
| 11:00.57 | resiak | rapsys: So you're trying to install Sarge on a machine with [insert your SATA device's details here] but the disks are not recognised, right? |
| 11:01.19 | rapsys | resiak: No exactly |
| 11:01.20 | resiak | Whisky_: You've done /msg dpkg usb-storage and checked that things are as they should be there? |
| 11:01.40 | Whisky_ | resiak, Yup, did all that. |
| 11:01.43 | Exit83 | azeem: i asked here once, i was directed to debian-sparc channel :d |
| 11:01.54 | rapsys | resiak: it's more, I am trying to install Sarge on a machine with [insert your SATA device's details here] but don't understand which module/driver is used to access it |
| 11:01.58 | Whisky_ | resiak, But I don't have any devices which start with "s" at all :( |
| 11:02.01 | azeem | Exit83: for the same question? |
| 11:02.01 | Exit83 | azeem: ill try the mailing list |
| 11:02.04 | azeem | Exit83: ok |
| 11:02.22 | rapsys | resiak: and don't want crash the server because reboot the server need mail to support... |
| 11:02.26 | resiak | rapsys: Why should that bother you? Surely what matters is whether it _works_? |
| 11:02.30 | Exit83 | azeem: well to be honest i ddint ask the question, i just askd if someone with spark knowledge could help me |
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| 11:02.39 | azeem | Exit83: well, d'oh :) |
| 11:02.41 | Guerin | !ask |
| 11:02.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:02.48 | michuk | hello. how can I start gnome-terminal with UTF-8 support? (i'm using latin1 by default) ? |
| 11:02.50 | Guerin | !ask2ask |
| 11:02.50 | dpkg | One day, Kn00bie joined #debian, and asked, "Tell me, is it proper to ask first whether one should ask a question, or do ye not require such things?" One of the masters raised his hand, and a towering bot descended from the heavens and knocked Kn00bie to the ground, leaving a large wet spot. Lying there, head spinning, Kn00bie became Enlightened. |
| 11:03.11 | rapsys | resiak: it's "works" under redhat right now, and I want put this buggy fedora to /dev/null |
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| 11:03.41 | rapsys | resiak: http://rapsys.myftp.org/switch.txt |
| 11:03.55 | azeem | Exit83: really, just try to ask your question, most hackers don't react to general "can you help me" inquiries |
| 11:04.00 | Guerin | michuk: #gnome irc.gnome.org; or try setting your locale to something utf-8, it's remotely possible that gnome apps honour standard environmennt variables |
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| 11:04.22 | rapsys | I put every info here, if you know how to know which module I need to load to acces to hard disk I take every help you provide me... |
| 11:04.42 | resiak | rapsys: Why can't _you_ do the googling to figure out what modules and kernel version is needed for your card, rather than making me do it? It's entirely possible that it will Just Work with Sarge (although you may need to boot with linux26). |
| 11:05.06 | rapsys | resiak: what I don't understand it that : |
| 11:05.17 | resiak | rapsys: configuration: driver=ata_piix ------- doesn't that give the game away _slightly_? |
| 11:05.26 | michuk | Guerin: i already tried setting LC_ALL and starting gnome-terminal, but it doesn't do the thing |
| 11:05.38 | rapsys | resiak: lshw say me the sata contrôler need module ata_piix, but disk is in use, but module ata_piix is not |
| 11:05.42 | rapsys | see lsmod |
| 11:05.46 | Exit83 | Well, since i dont have a CDrom that can be detected on boot for my sun netra X1 server, im trying to do a netboot. The server gets the image, starts the install. It recognizes the 2 NICs. I choose one to act as the NIC to connect to the archives. And thats where my problem occurs. After i choose a FTP server, the server *should* make contact with the FTP server. But i dont see any activity on the link |
| 11:06.05 | resiak | rapsys: That number doesn't mean that nothing is using the module. It means that no _other_ _module_ is using ata_piix. |
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| 11:07.03 | resiak | Whisky_: What version of udev and the kernel are you using? |
| 11:07.26 | rapsys | resiak: holly shit, I didn't seen it like this, I thought that the module using it are listed on right of number of use of module |
| 11:07.28 | Exit83 | of course, i dont like that seeing im stuck there. |
| 11:07.36 | resiak | rapsys: Now you know the truth. :-) |
| 11:07.39 | Exit83 | i dont know what to do anymore |
| 11:07.43 | rapsys | resiak: you are wronf |
| 11:07.45 | Exit83 | it looks like a software problem |
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| 11:08.02 | bartden | hi, i have some trouble with cups, when i go to localhost:631/admin and try to add a printer, it takes about 5 min to load the page, and finally it shows up but only contains the Top text, and not the menu to select my printers |
| 11:08.03 | resiak | rapsys: I am not wrong. |
| 11:08.05 | rapsys | resiak: I am able to rmmod the ata_piix module |
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| 11:08.17 | ste | hi all. Is it possible to change the page margins in a ps file? |
| 11:08.33 | rapsys | so that meen that this modules is REALY not used to access contrôler |
| 11:08.33 | azeem | Exit83: the two NICs are identical? |
| 11:08.38 | resiak | rapsys: The number counts the modules using that module. I am right in that. THat's all I've said. |
| 11:08.53 | azeem | Exit83: did you try starting a shell and diagnose whether the networking is up manually? |
| 11:09.00 | rapsys | resiak: maybe I misunderstanded it |
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| 11:09.17 | resiak | rapsys: Can't you just schedule some downtime, put a spare disk in the machine and try to install Sarge, and see if it works? I don't really see why you're not doing this. |
| 11:09.17 | Exit83 | azeem: im doing a netboot, i dont have a shell :D |
| 11:09.26 | rapsys | resiak: but anyway that mean that this is not this module I need for make works the hard disk... |
| 11:09.28 | azeem | Exit83: where exactly are you? |
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| 11:09.40 | Exit83 | the machine is in my lan |
| 11:09.41 | resiak | rapsys: Why do you _care_? |
| 11:09.43 | rapsys | resiak: I am in france, the server is in Los Angeles |
| 11:09.45 | azeem | Exit83: are you trying to install Debian on it? |
| 11:09.50 | resiak | rapsys: Oh, okay --- good answer. :) |
| 11:09.55 | Exit83 | yes, the sparc64 boot.img |
| 11:09.57 | rapsys | I have no money to go there... |
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| 11:10.11 | azeem | Exit83: so do you get to the debian-installer screens? |
| 11:10.12 | Exit83 | azeem: i tried woody (major failure), sarge and testing |
| 11:10.15 | rapsys | resiak: the server is yet down |
| 11:10.21 | azeem | Exit83: stay with sarge |
| 11:10.30 | rapsys | resiak: I just want to avoid useless reboot |
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| 11:10.37 | Exit83 | azeem: yes, i can set everything but it goes wrong when the machine hast to hit the archive server |
| 11:10.46 | resiak | rapsys: I guess I don't know enough to help you --- sorry. |
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| 11:11.11 | azeem | Exit83: ok. So the main menu of debian-installer has an option "Start a shell" |
| 11:11.13 | Exit83 | azeem: i even plugged the 2 nics in my switch to be sure if debian doesnt mix up the NICs |
| 11:11.21 | rapsys | resiak: the problem is that it's the first time I realy don't understand from where does come the problem |
| 11:11.23 | Exit83 | azeem: ow, never saw it |
| 11:11.29 | azeem | Exit83: alternatively, you can switch to the second or third vritual console, though I don't know how to do that on Sparc |
| 11:11.48 | Exit83 | azeem: let me try it, will take me a small 10 minutes before its booted up again :d |
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| 11:14.11 | Exit83 | azeem: it could be that, in netboot, the shell option isnt enabled though |
| 11:14.32 | azeem | Exit83: I don't know why it shouldn't |
| 11:14.39 | azeem | Exit83: are you installing via serial console? |
| 11:14.47 | Exit83 | azeem: to make the netboot image as small as possible |
| 11:14.49 | Exit83 | azeem: yes |
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| 11:15.07 | azeem | Exit83: maybe you can even try to ^z the installer |
| 11:15.10 | Exit83 | azeem: and then through DHCP uploading the boot image so i KNOW the nics work |
| 11:15.10 | azeem | well, try it |
| 11:15.28 | azeem | Exit83: maybe there is something about this in the install manual, dunno |
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| 11:15.42 | Exit83 | ive searched a lot but cant find anything relevant so far |
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| 11:16.16 | Exit83 | azeem: damn i forgot setting the right boot.img |
| 11:16.21 | Exit83 | azeem: got to reboot again :d |
| 11:16.24 | azeem | heh |
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| 11:17.47 | rapsys | Is there with grub a way to do a boot on some entry, then reboot on refault one |
| 11:18.13 | Exit83 | azeem: maybe i could try an older sarge image? this machine is really old |
| 11:18.16 | jm_ | rapsys: yes |
| 11:18.20 | rapsys | for example I have two kernel, a stable one in a grub entry and a new I want to test |
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| 11:18.39 | rapsys | how to send the boot on second one just for one time ? |
| 11:18.47 | azeem | Exit83: I'd try the official sarge image |
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| 11:19.13 | jm_ | info grub -> Booting -> Making your system robust |
| 11:19.13 | Exit83 | azeem: trying it now, and will look for that shell option |
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| 11:20.10 | Whisky_ | resiak, Sorry, was on the phone. 0.056-3 = udev ........ kernel = 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 11:20.14 | Exit83 | azeem: its sucks so bad i have to get the image from my server everytime i reboot :s |
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| 11:20.48 | rapsys | jm_: have no Making your system robust in the booting section... |
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| 11:21.40 | jm_ | rapsys: install grub-doc |
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| 11:21.59 | Exit83 | azeem: okay im in the debian installer |
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| 11:22.18 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 11:22.18 | rapsys | jm_: I have * General boot methods:: and * OS-specific notes:: |
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| 11:23.02 | foo_ | hey why apt-get apache installs apache 1. and not 2.? |
| 11:23.12 | jm_ | rapsys: which version of GRUB is this? |
| 11:23.20 | Exit83 | foo_ you habve to do apt-get install apache2 |
| 11:23.24 | azeem | foo_: because apache 2. is "apache2" |
| 11:23.27 | Exit83 | foo_ you habve to do apt-get install apache2 or apache2-common |
| 11:23.32 | rapsys | jm_: stupid fedora one, I have it on my debian sarge... |
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| 11:24.11 | jm_ | rapsys: right |
| 11:24.15 | foo_ | ok, will i have mod_php etc ? |
| 11:24.23 | foo_ | or it needs to be installed seperately |
| 11:24.47 | Exit83 | foo_: i think its installed if you install php |
| 11:25.02 | Exit83 | and if not try a2enmod php when apache2 is installed |
| 11:25.04 | foo_ | php3? |
| 11:25.17 | Exit83 | foo_: upgrade to php5 |
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| 11:25.33 | foo_ | E: Package php5 has no installation candidate |
| 11:25.34 | resiak | Whisky_: Sorry, not a clue --- hope someone else can help. |
| 11:25.42 | Exit83 | php5-common |
| 11:25.55 | Exit83 | foo_: or else php4 (i think php5 is in testing) |
| 11:25.55 | xychix | I want to install debian netinstall on a xeon 64-bits 2 processor server... howto install the right kernel immediately ? |
| 11:26.01 | jm_ | php5 is not in Sarge |
| 11:26.24 | rapsys | jm_: I have it got working in it :) |
| 11:26.34 | jm_ | xychix: Sarge 2.6.14 installer installed SMP kernel for me on a P4 HT box, so it should work for you too |
| 11:26.35 | foo_ | i manually deleted /etc/init.d/apache |
| 11:26.42 | azeem | foo_: why? |
| 11:26.45 | foo_ | and when i do apt-get install apache2 now it doesnt recreate it |
| 11:26.48 | Exit83 | azeem: im in the shell, i did ifconfig and eth0 *should* be up and running |
| 11:26.51 | foo_ | because apt-get remove apache didnt remove it |
| 11:26.57 | azeem | Exit83: can you ping something? |
| 11:27.06 | foo_ | how can i reinstall the init script too? |
| 11:27.08 | rapsys | http://www.cathub.org/debian/ <= if you want run both php4 and php5 as sapi in apache here you are |
| 11:27.14 | jm_ | fooz: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 11:27.15 | Exit83 | not from the shell, doesnt recognize command, (its ash shell BTW) |
| 11:27.31 | Exit83 | and i cant seem to ping it |
| 11:27.33 | rapsys | you are able to have php module for one single module :'( |
| 11:27.46 | rapsys | php4 or php5 could have the mysql support |
| 11:27.48 | xychix | jm_: ok so i should not download the netinstall cd but normal cd1 ??? |
| 11:27.54 | azeem | Exit83: maybe the friendly people in #debian-boot have an idea how to debug networking problems from a netboot in d-i |
| 11:28.00 | rapsys | and you need to load the one with all module first |
| 11:28.04 | jm_ | xychix: no, that was pure netinstall CD -- /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 11:28.08 | Exit83 | azeem: it sasy host unreachable allthough my router shows its sending ICMP echo's to it |
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| 11:28.16 | Exit83 | okay |
| 11:28.25 | Exit83 | azeem: ill try that channel, thx for the help |
| 11:28.28 | azeem | Exit83: maybe your switch/router is 100MBit only? |
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| 11:28.33 | azeem | and your Sparc is 10MBit? |
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| 11:28.37 | xychix | jm_: how to choose that kernel ??? at the boot: prompt ?? |
| 11:28.42 | azeem | hrm, but then you shouldn't be able to netboot either, I guess |
| 11:28.42 | Exit83 | azeem: no, my nics are 10/100 also |
| 11:28.50 | vyrus001 | is ther an aplay like application for oss ? |
| 11:28.51 | Exit83 | azeem: even better, they are auto sensing |
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| 11:29.03 | jm_ | xychix: linux26 as described in the documentation |
| 11:29.09 | jm_ | or by reading help screens |
| 11:29.16 | xychix | tnx |
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| 11:29.43 | foo_ | jm_ its wrong syntax |
| 11:29.46 | foo_ | (what the bot gives) |
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| 11:29.58 | Guerin | vyrus001: what does aplay do? |
| 11:30.07 | foo_ | ah ok nm |
| 11:30.12 | vyrus001 | Guerin: the same thing as splay only with wave files |
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| 11:30.24 | foo_ | jm_ welp did it, the apache init script still isnt there |
| 11:30.25 | Guerin | vyrus001: wtf does splay do? |
| 11:30.30 | jm_ | vyrus001: sox has play |
| 11:30.34 | Guerin | vyrus001: describe what it does |
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| 11:30.53 | jm_ | foo_: purge it, reinstall it |
| 11:30.54 | vyrus001 | Guerin: it plays an mp3 file |
| 11:31.03 | vyrus001 | Guerin: with no other output than the audio |
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| 11:31.15 | vyrus001 | jm_: sox ? |
| 11:31.16 | Guerin | vyrus001: ok. mplayer and so can do that |
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| 11:31.20 | foo_ | jm_ did.. still |
| 11:31.21 | jm_ | ehh? mpg321, mpg123, mplayer, ... |
| 11:31.24 | Guerin | i don't think sox can do mp3 |
| 11:31.25 | jm_ | foo_: no |
| 11:31.36 | vyrus001 | Guerin: thankyou |
| 11:31.45 | foo_ | jm_ what no? |
| 11:31.45 | jm_ | yeah he said wave so I thought he means WAV files |
| 11:31.52 | foo_ | i did it, i still dont have the apache init script |
| 11:32.00 | foo_ | apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 11:32.05 | jm_ | foo_: no, you purged/reinstalled wrong package |
| 11:32.09 | foo_ | then apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 |
| 11:32.10 | jm_ | yes, just like I thought |
| 11:32.18 | foo_ | so what should i do? |
| 11:32.24 | Guerin | apache2-common has the init script, I believe |
| 11:32.25 | jm_ | reinstall the right package |
| 11:32.32 | Guerin | but you can search |
| 11:32.34 | jm_ | that has spoiled all the fun ;( |
| 11:32.37 | Guerin | !tell foo_ about search |
| 11:32.41 | Guerin | jm_: sorry :( |
| 11:32.42 | Exit83 | azeem: it seems like this is one of the few active debian channels :d |
| 11:32.46 | foo_ | ok |
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| 11:33.34 | foo_ | ok worked, |
| 11:33.36 | foo_ | thanks |
| 11:33.49 | Exit83 | azeem: well i guess i can still try and find some other CDrom drives or if all else fail i can put everything i need on the HDD and boot from HDD |
| 11:33.49 | foo_ | though mod_php still isnt there |
| 11:33.56 | foo_ | and i installed php4 .. |
| 11:34.02 | Exit83 | foo_: try a2enmod php |
| 11:34.04 | Guerin | foo_: foo_ libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 11:34.13 | Guerin | foo_: and you need to have the worker mpm installed |
| 11:34.17 | Exit83 | foo_: and what geurin said lol |
| 11:34.22 | foo_ | thanks |
| 11:34.35 | jm_ | just use Apache 1.3, you don't need Apache 2 if you can't handle such simple tasks |
| 11:34.44 | Guerin | definitely |
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| 11:35.58 | Bogaurd | hmm - i'm getting all these weird entires in my syslog, like this: |
| 11:35.58 | Bogaurd | Dec 14 19:48:12 phoebe kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1 |
| 11:36.03 | Bogaurd | from the USB no doubt... |
| 11:36.23 | foo_ | installed it.. |
| 11:36.23 | Bogaurd | is this a sign of things going pear shaped? |
| 11:36.32 | foo_ | problem is that apache returns the html with the php.. |
| 11:36.42 | foo_ | ie doesnt really run the php |
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| 11:37.19 | Guerin | foo_: configure your server |
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| 11:37.32 | Guerin | foo_: httpd.apache.org tells you how |
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| 11:38.00 | tarzeau | how can i run multiple commands in a -exec of find? |
| 11:38.55 | jm_ | and/or restart your web browser |
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| 11:39.22 | n00bhead | hi |
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| 11:40.09 | vyrus001 | tarzeau: &&? |
| 11:41.12 | n00bhead | so many ppl here, maybe someone can help me? I installed Vegastrike on Sid and there is no way to have my own pilot. no vslauncher, I cant setup the game :( |
| 11:41.27 | tarzeau | vyrus001: can you give an example? |
| 11:41.34 | djp | is it possible to add a user to more than one group using the adduser command? i have tried adduser foo -G cdrom,floppy,audio... but i keep getting the message, "adduser: The group `-G,dialout,cdrom,floppy' does not exist." |
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| 11:41.52 | Gnea | djp: addgroup |
| 11:42.31 | djp | Gnea, ah... thanks |
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| 11:43.22 | djp | Gnea, oh sorry, i want to add a user to more than one group that already exists. not add a new group |
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| 11:43.35 | n00bhead | df-h|work: hello Bremen ! |
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| 11:44.14 | df-h|work | can anyone please help me with an usb problem? after connecting a usb-hd to an usb 2.0 port dmesg returns "usb 5-4: device not accepting address 5, error -71" |
| 11:44.14 | Gnea | djp: man addgroup |
| 11:44.15 | resiak | djp: for i in dialout cdrom floppy; do adduser foo $i; done |
| 11:44.16 | resiak | djp: ;) |
| 11:44.25 | df-h|work | hi n00bhead |
| 11:44.37 | Gnea | resiak: it's okay, he'll learn. |
| 11:44.49 | djp | resiak, thanks. you get about, sure you were somewhere else earlier... ;) |
| 11:44.55 | df-h|work | log info for the usb problem i posted here http://nopaste.php-q.net/178277 |
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| 11:46.20 | djp | resiak, bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
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| 11:46.49 | resiak | djp: You've typoed --- worksforme. |
| 11:47.34 | Gnea | djp: RTFM |
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| 11:49.02 | catatonic_ | hey people! good morning |
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| 11:50.58 | catatonic_ | Any exim people in the house ? I've got a question about running a server that handles mail for multiple domains. currently if i have a user "foo" and the domain "bar" and "bar2" foo@bar and foo@bar2 are both deliverable. how do i have a list of valid users at each domain ? |
| 11:51.10 | catatonic_ | resiak: The medicine's working too well ;) |
| 11:51.47 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.50 | catatonic_ | i.e. i want foo@bar to work but not foo@bar2. currently all users at all domains (local_domains) are deliverable. |
| 11:52.18 | catatonic_ | Arafangion: It can't be done in exim ? I already replaced sendmail with exim, I dont want to have to endure yet another learning curve ;) |
| 11:52.30 | jm_ | try #exim |
| 11:52.34 | Arafangion | catatonic_: exim is the default on debian. |
| 11:52.43 | catatonic_ | jm_: I have. They're asleep at the mo' |
| 11:52.48 | Arafangion | catatonic_: So, it's interesting that you've replaced sendmail with it. |
| 11:52.53 | Gnea | catatonic_: basically anyone who's got an account on the system, unless you want to setup virtual users, but that gets more complicated |
| 11:52.55 | jm_ | catatonic_: yeah, just be patient |
| 11:53.11 | vulture | Anyone handled recovering from ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341452 - LVM2 critical failure)? |
| 11:53.27 | vulture | Just wondering if I could get some tips/advice. |
| 11:53.35 | catatonic_ | Arafangion: I ran sendmail because I had the Sendmail Bat book by O'reilley. Seems "interesting" that I chose to use a MTA that I had documentation for, and also some working MTA designs. |
| 11:53.41 | catatonic_ | jm_: Ok. Thanks ;) |
| 11:54.01 | Arafangion | catatonic_: I have the postfix book by O'reilley :) |
| 11:54.16 | catatonic_ | Arafangion: I love O'reilley books. I hope Santa is generous this year. |
| 11:54.35 | Arafangion | catatonic_: In any case, I'm sure that you could setup sendmail for virtual domains with that book. |
| 11:54.50 | catatonic_ | Arafangion: I ran sendmail for seven years. but it was a pain in the arse. |
| 11:55.24 | Arafangion | catatonic_: Well, perhaps you'd like to konw that postfix is much easier to configure - yet is still sendmail compatible on the outside (with respect to other programs) |
| 11:55.25 | catatonic_ | Arafangion: When it works it's great, but you fear changing the cf file in case you screw up your entire setup. Most of the useful things are just hacks anyway. |
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| 11:56.01 | catatonic_ | exim is fairly "sendmail-esque" externally. Most of my scripts work that use $SENDMAIL from procmail however I've had to modify a handful. |
| 11:56.17 | trym | Im going to buy a server which will be running debian.. should I stay away from SATA disks ? |
| 11:56.20 | Arafangion | catatonic_: Give postfix a go. |
| 11:56.25 | Exit83 | trym: no |
| 11:56.36 | Arafangion | trym: Unless you're runnign potato ;) |
| 11:56.40 | Exit83 | trym: i had no problem making my sata drive work |
| 11:56.44 | jm_ | trym: should be OK as long as kernel supports it (and there's 2.6.14 Sarge installer) |
| 11:56.52 | trym | ok.. great |
| 11:56.59 | jm_ | 2.6.8 is a bit problematic in that respect |
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| 11:57.05 | Exit83 | jm_: i even got it to work on the 2.6.8 |
| 11:57.09 | trym | however.. sata raid.. any recommendations for hardware.. or is software raid sufficient? |
| 11:57.09 | Arafangion | In woody, afaik, the trick was to get it installed, but Sarge is apparently quite good. |
| 11:57.17 | jm_ | Exit83: of course, it all depends on what kind of controller you have |
| 11:57.23 | Exit83 | jm_: true |
| 11:57.33 | Exit83 | jm_: but it shouldn't be a problem anymore though |
| 11:57.34 | Gnea | trym: highpoint rocketraid |
| 11:57.46 | jm_ | trym: most SATA RAID-s you will come accross are software based, so it's the same if you use the one provided by kernel |
| 11:57.59 | Exit83 | jm_: unless you have somekind of exotic, never heard of sata controller |
| 11:58.05 | jm_ | Exit83: it is, just experienced it last week |
| 11:58.17 | Exit83 | jm_: lol, bummer |
| 11:58.28 | Gnea | jm_: most, but not all. |
| 11:58.32 | jm_ | Exit83: basically anything with ICR7 is a no go |
| 11:58.36 | jm_ | Gnea: heh sure |
| 11:58.37 | Arafangion | jm_: Most are software based? |
| 11:58.41 | trym | is ICH-6 supported? |
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| 11:58.51 | Arafangion | jm_: Interesting, I would've thought that you'd get more performance out of hardware raid. |
| 11:59.04 | jm_ | Arafangion: yeah, http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 11:59.05 | Arafangion | jm_: And better reliability. |
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| 11:59.22 | jm_ | not sure about ICH6, I on;y tried it on ICH7 |
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| 11:59.43 | Arafangion | jm_: How does software raid handle hotswapping of pata? |
| 11:59.53 | Gnea | mjm_: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 11:59.54 | nixxie | araf: it doesnt, afaik |
| 11:59.55 | jm_ | Arafangion: I thought PATA is not hot-swappable |
| 12:00.09 | nixxie | thats what i thought |
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| 12:00.30 | jm_ | Gnea: if that was for me, linux.yyz.us is the page with relevant info |
| 12:00.33 | Arafangion | pata is not hot-swappable, but my understanding is that certain types of raid are meant to be done with hot-swapping. |
| 12:00.35 | Gnea | jm_: you're right, highpoint rocketraid isn't real hardware raid |
| 12:00.46 | Arafangion | So my assumption was that hardware raid could hot-swap pata |
| 12:01.22 | Gnea | jm_: yeah, it's for you - it's easier to read and more comprehensible ;) |
| 12:01.29 | jm_ | naah, RAID doesn't mean it's hot swappable, it just provides redundancy (and in some cases even that is not true) |
| 12:01.53 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.00 | jm_ | Gnea: yeah, good info, would come handy when I was messing with Dell machine two weeks ago |
| 12:02.01 | Gnea | !assume |
| 12:02.01 | dpkg | i guess assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 12:02.04 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:02.14 | jm_ | you can use it for speed for example |
| 12:02.22 | jm_ | or to combine several disks into one big disk |
| 12:02.28 | Exit83 | jm_: how so? or are you referring to choosing the different methods of RAID |
| 12:02.28 | Gnea | jm_: observe... |
| 12:02.29 | Gnea | !google sata raid linux |
| 12:02.37 | dpkg | Google says sata raid linux is at http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/faq-sata-raid.html or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ or http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-Debian.htm |
| 12:02.38 | Arafangion | Gnea: Naturally, I'd *check* once I actually start to think about doing raid. |
| 12:02.40 | Exit83 | jm_: aah, you meant that :d |
| 12:03.00 | Gnea | Arafangion: there's a list, have a nut :) |
| 12:03.11 | Arafangion | jm_: Raid 0 alone is useless, miho. |
| 12:03.14 | Arafangion | *imho |
| 12:03.16 | jm_ | Gnea: yeah I know, it shows up on first page for "linux sata" |
| 12:03.20 | jm_ | Arafangion: more or less yes |
| 12:03.34 | Arafangion | Anyway, I'm off to bed. |
| 12:03.51 | Exit83 | Arafangion: sleep tight :d |
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| 12:04.01 | trym | hmm |
| 12:04.08 | Arafangion | Exit83: Thanks :) |
| 12:05.15 | Exit83 | jm_: so what went wrong last week with the dell machine? |
| 12:05.18 | trym | this is cheap as hell.. but does it suck.. or is it usable? Sunsway/ST Lab PCIe SATA II 300 RAID 2P (SiL3132 PCI Express x1) |
| 12:05.24 | trym | its like $50 |
| 12:05.33 | trym | 4channel SATA II raid |
| 12:06.12 | jm_ | Exit83: nothing went wrong, I just had to find out how to deal with its RAID |
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| 12:06.23 | valdyn | trym: its not really hardware raid, so the price is common, not 'cheap' |
| 12:06.25 | jm_ | trym: check the SATA FAQ to see if it's worth using its RAID |
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| 12:06.47 | trym | jm_: is the url in what dpkg just said? |
| 12:07.01 | jm_ | trym: the yyz.us one yes |
| 12:07.01 | trym | yup |
| 12:07.02 | trym | found it |
| 12:07.06 | jm_ | it says it's SW RAID :) |
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| 12:09.36 | trym | so booting from a ich5 sata software raid.. should be no hassle? |
| 12:10.18 | jm_ | yeah you shall be fine with that, just make sure / and /boot are not in RAID |
| 12:10.50 | ilias | I'm still having problems installing the nvidia drivers. yesterday I tried everything "thingfish" told me (and that was quite alot) but the nvidia screen didn't want to popup after restarting X.. |
| 12:11.26 | trym | jm_: ah. well thats going to be hard :/ |
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| 12:11.50 | jm_ | trym: why? |
| 12:12.40 | trym | well.. i would have to create two partitions to be / and /boot.. and then make several partitions on the raid itself and mount it to /usr /home etc.. |
| 12:12.50 | jm_ | indeed |
| 12:12.51 | trym | its not hard.. just.. inconvinient ;) |
| 12:13.01 | trym | but doable :) |
| 12:13.09 | jm_ | but it does makes sense, just ask anyone who has ever had to hassle with recovering / that was part of RAID setup |
| 12:13.23 | ilias | The nvidia oneliner of dpkg always quit after saying 'installed' but it didn't start the tool where I should select the nvidia drivers and pass trough my monitor settings.. so I started the tool up manually, but no nvidia in the list.. |
| 12:13.30 | trym | sure does :) |
| 12:13.50 | jm_ | ilias: just do it manually |
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| 12:14.06 | ilias | jm_: if you could tell me how, please? |
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| 12:14.29 | jm_ | ilias: edit the config file and read the top of it first and then make changes, and run the command you will read about |
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| 12:17.11 | ilias | jm_: where's the file located? |
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| 12:18.09 | jm_ | ilias: which version of Debian? |
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| 12:18.23 | ilias | sarge, latest stable, kernel 2.4 |
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| 12:18.52 | jm_ | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:19.07 | ilias | I'll try, thx for your help |
| 12:19.59 | xychix | grmbl i downloaded a ia64 debian netinstall but it doesn't boot at all |
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| 12:20.07 | xychix | how to check if the cd / iso is really bootable |
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| 12:21.06 | azeem | xychix: are you sure you have a ia64? |
| 12:21.17 | xychix | xeon 64 bits |
| 12:21.21 | azeem | xychix: ia64 are Itanium servers, not those |
| 12:21.24 | azeem | xychix: you need amd64 |
| 12:21.25 | xychix | tells the DELL server buis |
| 12:21.28 | xychix | ah ok |
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| 12:21.33 | xychix | tnx |
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| 12:21.55 | brosiooz | can i recover file on mounted partition on ext3 ? |
| 12:22.02 | Guerin | brosiooz: no. |
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| 12:22.41 | brosiooz | mmm |
| 12:22.44 | loveboat | hey, a question for you. i'm trying to use the ssh method for apt, but i can't find any documentation for this. there's nothing in the man-files. any tips? and yeah, i've googled |
| 12:22.52 | brosiooz | need to umount it before ? |
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| 12:23.10 | df-h|work | if you delete the file .. it is deleted! |
| 12:23.29 | Guerin | brosiooz: the whole POINT of running a journalling filesystem is that the changes you make stick |
| 12:23.33 | df-h|work | not complete ... but recover is very difficult |
| 12:23.47 | jm_ | brosiooz: unless some process still has it open |
| 12:23.55 | Guerin | jm_: ah, good point |
| 12:24.11 | Guerin | umount -l would probably not update the journal, either |
| 12:24.13 | jm_ | or is that "opened"? I'm always in doubts |
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| 12:26.19 | tijn | anyone can tell me how to encode an video? |
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| 12:26.57 | xychix | azeem: There is no netinstall for amd64 |
| 12:27.03 | xychix | do i need the amd64 kernel |
| 12:27.04 | Guerin | tijn: doom9.org |
| 12:27.12 | xychix | and the 32 bits install ?? |
| 12:27.13 | Guerin | xychix: just install 1386 |
| 12:27.20 | Guerin | i386 even |
| 12:27.21 | azeem | xychix: try amd64.debian.net |
| 12:27.26 | xychix | azeem: i'll do |
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| 12:29.00 | kirik | msg dpkg hola |
| 12:29.10 | kirik | msg dpkg mutt-ng |
| 12:29.12 | kirik | msg dpkg mutt |
| 12:29.13 | azeem | xychix: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 12:29.30 | azeem | kirik: it's "/msg" not "msg" |
| 12:29.42 | kirik | thanks |
| 12:30.22 | redguy|work | can anyone tell me if the sarge stock 2.6.8 kernel includes the evms patches? |
| 12:30.25 | kirik | how to run get xscreensaver running for xfce |
| 12:30.50 | redguy|work | where could I check something like that? |
| 12:30.55 | kirik | gnome used to have package called xscreensaver-gnome |
| 12:31.13 | azeem | kirik: regular xscreensaver does not work? |
| 12:31.56 | tijn | thnx |
| 12:32.13 | tijn | not acually what i was looking for, but handy, now trying ffmpeg |
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| 12:32.46 | kirik | it does, only if I run xscreensaver manually every time after boot-up |
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| 12:33.04 | kirik | how to make it run by default |
| 12:33.10 | binary_dreamer | hi |
| 12:33.13 | binary_dreamer | i got a problem with my installation of linux. i installed debian stable sarge. th computer boots ok to linux and it goes straight to start the x server. my x server is not configured correctly so all it gives me is a black screen. |
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| 12:34.16 | rox | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 12:34.16 | rox | /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. grub gives me this error ... does anybody have an idea what how to solve this problem? |
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| 12:34.47 | Shadur | binary_dreamer: all the *dm packages in debian are configured to give up trying after a few times. That should drop you to a text console from where you can access /var/log/X11.0.log |
| 12:34.59 | kirik | how to automatically run xscreensaver? |
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| 12:35.17 | ilias | ok, I'm finally able to use my full screen.. but only with a maximum of 800*600, and that's really not enough on a 15 inch display.. |
| 12:35.24 | azeem | kirik: do you start xfce from ~/.xsession? |
| 12:35.24 | ilias | so how do I get it betteR? |
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| 12:35.30 | azeem | kirik: then you can add xscreensaver there |
| 12:35.34 | jm_ | ilias: did you enter the right monitor specs? |
| 12:35.35 | kirik | azeem, oh |
| 12:35.42 | kirik | azeem, thanks |
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| 12:36.08 | Exit83 | azeem: you still here |
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| 12:36.16 | azeem | Exit83: yes |
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| 12:36.18 | Exit83 | azeem: *are you still here |
| 12:36.24 | ilias | jm_: they're not on the list |
| 12:36.33 | binary_dreamer | Shadur, how long do i have to wait? |
| 12:36.36 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: you can alt-f1 to switch to the first console and there you can disable {x,g,k}dm and/or configure X |
| 12:36.36 | Exit83 | azeem: well, i got a nic working |
| 12:36.40 | ilias | but I'vee choosen 1200* |
| 12:36.57 | jm_ | ilias: what? it asks you about frequencies |
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| 12:37.14 | binary_dreamer | redguy|work, i tried alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 12:37.15 | ilias | ow.. |
| 12:37.26 | Exit83 | azeem: to bad it involved using another linux distro though :$ |
| 12:37.31 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: to configure X you can dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:37.32 | ilias | jm_: how do I find my system's maximum's? |
| 12:37.38 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: and nothing? |
| 12:37.45 | azeem | Exit83: what was the issue? |
| 12:37.47 | Guerin | Exit83: use that distro's kernel on debian |
| 12:37.54 | jm_ | ilias: a) manual, b) web, c) read-edid|parse-edid if it works |
| 12:38.12 | Guerin | Exit83: hardware is 100% kernel - if it works on any gnu/linux, it'll work on debian |
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| 12:38.26 | ilias | not in the manual, and laptop isn't supported on the acer.com site anymore.. :s |
| 12:38.31 | ilias | but i'll try:) |
| 12:38.39 | xychix | damn no AMD64 iso's |
| 12:38.45 | xychix | not even on amd64.debian.net |
| 12:38.51 | jm_ | try read-edid thingy |
| 12:38.59 | ejofee | which is the recommended transparent cluster solution (app) for debian? |
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| 12:39.12 | binary_dreamer | redguy|work, all i need is a command line. but all i get is a black screen. if it helps, i am using live cd at the moment (knoppix) i could edit something? |
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| 12:39.52 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: sure you can, wait a second :-) |
| 12:40.08 | Exit83 | azeem: well, i had to manually put an ip address to my nic, didnt work in debian, but worked here |
| 12:40.11 | binary_dreamer | redguy|work, take your time |
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| 12:41.29 | ilias | jm_: read-edid gives a command not found error and the parse-edid first gave me a read error and when I try again, I just get a blank input screen.. |
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| 12:42.01 | jm_ | !tell ilias -about installit |
| 12:42.01 | azeem | Exit83: hrm, ok |
| 12:42.02 | fireba11 | anyone got a clue why dovecot depends on mysql ? |
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| 12:42.30 | ejofee | which is the recommended transparent cluster solution (app) for debian? |
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| 12:44.38 | Exit83 | azeem: this sucks, i cant seem to ssh due to the facrt i have no password or my root, i cant set a password on the box, i get an error everytime :d |
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| 12:44.47 | Exit83 | azeem: ill try debian one more time :d |
| 12:44.52 | n0x^wech | Hi ! I need some help with starting XWindow |
| 12:45.01 | fireba11 | Exit83: how you managed to do that ?? |
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| 12:45.10 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 12:45.11 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 12:45.16 | Anthro | Exit83: What error do you get when attempting to set the password? |
| 12:45.23 | fireba11 | !tell n0x^wech about ask |
| 12:45.27 | ilias | jm_: but it tell's me that read-edid is already the newest version. |
| 12:45.38 | jm_ | ilias: so you have it installed - run it as root |
| 12:45.39 | jetspyd | hi! anyone knows where is the path for the apache server... i can't found it |
| 12:45.43 | ilias | I do :) |
| 12:45.46 | ilias | su - |
| 12:45.47 | Exit83 | Anthro: passwd: An error occurred updating the password file. |
| 12:46.01 | n0x^wech | i just installed debian i thought |
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| 12:46.08 | jm_ | ilias: ohh fuck, it's get-edid, sorry :) |
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| 12:46.14 | valdyn | ilias: 'get-edit | parse-edid' |
| 12:46.14 | azeem | Exit83: try to edit /etc/passwd or shadow manually |
| 12:46.16 | jm_ | the package name is read-edid |
| 12:46.16 | jetspyd | i mean, what is the initial folder |
| 12:46.20 | valdyn | ilias: 'get-edid | parse-edid' |
| 12:46.21 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: well, I remember that this can be done quite easily, but can't find anything on it. What you could do is to change your default runlevel in /etc/inittab to a runlevel that does not start X. According to some mailing list posts it should be runlevel 3, but you can make sure by checking if there's no S99xdm in your /etc/rc3.d. To change the default runlevel change the 5 in id:5:initdefault: line in /etc/inittab |
| 12:46.24 | Anthro | Exit83: I see. Is your root filesystem mounted readonly, by any chance? |
| 12:46.29 | n0x^wech | xwindow would be configured and wouls start automatilcally |
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| 12:46.50 | xychix | i found a amd64 iso :) great |
| 12:46.57 | n0x^wech | now im in the commandline window and does not lnow what to dp |
| 12:47.00 | xychix | now i need to assure that it works on xeon |
| 12:47.03 | valdyn | n0x^wech: nope, debian installs nothing ( except the 'base' by default |
| 12:47.13 | binary_dreamer | redguy|work, the 5 should change in what? |
| 12:47.18 | Anthro | xychix: amd64 != xeon |
| 12:47.20 | Exit83 | Anthro: no, i can delete stuff |
| 12:47.23 | valdyn | n0x^wech: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome' for instance |
| 12:47.28 | Exit83 | azeem: i dont seem to have any editor :) |
| 12:47.36 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: to 3 |
| 12:47.53 | n0x^wech | just enter that as root? |
| 12:47.54 | Anthro | Exit83: Do you have an account with a password you know? |
| 12:47.57 | ilias | erm.. jm_: and now where do I find those frequencies? |
| 12:47.58 | xychix | Anthro: which install do i need ? |
| 12:48.00 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: IIRC 3 was the default non-x runlevel in Debian |
| 12:48.02 | valdyn | xychix: sure it does if your xeon supports em64t |
| 12:48.09 | Exit83 | azeem: nevermind, i was wrong |
| 12:48.09 | jm_ | ilias: paste the output on some paste site |
| 12:48.10 | xychix | valdyn: it does |
| 12:48.16 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: but I might be wrong |
| 12:48.20 | Exit83 | Anthro: no, its a netboot install |
| 12:48.21 | Anthro | xychix: i386. You will be able to install a 686 kernel after you've installed. |
| 12:48.34 | Anthro | Exit83: Do you have Linux installed on any other machine? |
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| 12:48.45 | binary_dreamer | redguy|work, so i will change the 5 to 3 and fingers crossed it will work? |
| 12:48.45 | ilias | jm_: http://pastebin.com/463564 |
| 12:49.02 | valdyn | xychix: id you dont know precisely why you need 64-bit debian, go with what antro sais |
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| 12:49.11 | Exit83 | Anthro: all my machines have linux ;) |
| 12:49.18 | jm_ | ilias: it failed, do you know what resolution it supports? |
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| 12:49.26 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: well, it will do no harm, that's for sure, also, check the /etc/rc3.d dir |
| 12:49.31 | xychix | valdyn: Anthro: i want to use my 2 p[rocessos 64 bits xeon, 4 gig ram as a vmware host |
| 12:49.39 | Exit83 | Azeem, Anthro: but ill try and edit /etc/passwd directly |
| 12:49.47 | xychix | i'd love to use all the capacity available |
| 12:49.53 | ilias | jm_: SXGA+ : 1400x1050, XGA: 1024*786 |
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| 12:50.00 | jm_ | ilias: and refresh rates? |
| 12:50.14 | ilias | jm_: nopê |
| 12:50.18 | valdyn | xychix: its not that simple really, i have no idea how vmware works on 64 bit systems ( if at all ) |
| 12:50.20 | Anthro | Exit83: Good. So take a look at the /etc/shadow entry for an account on another machine and copy the encrypted password into the /etc/shadow entry for root on the machine with issues. |
| 12:50.22 | binary_dreamer | redguy|work, check to see what? |
| 12:50.25 | jetspyd | hi! anyone know where is located the initial default folder in apache |
| 12:50.27 | jetspyd | ?? |
| 12:50.30 | ilias | not in the 'manual' that came with my laptop |
| 12:50.40 | jm_ | ilias: do you have Windows on it? |
| 12:50.43 | Bogaurd | how can i launch the exim configurator? |
| 12:50.46 | ilias | jm_: yes |
| 12:50.46 | xychix | valdyn: isn't amd-64 backward compatible ? |
| 12:50.54 | valdyn | xychix: the cpu is |
| 12:50.55 | jm_ | ilias: then find the details in there |
| 12:51.05 | ilias | ok :) |
| 12:51.10 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:51.10 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: check to see if there are any links containing xdm |
| 12:51.13 | ilias | where can I find 'em? |
| 12:51.18 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: thanks :) |
| 12:51.20 | Exit83 | Anthro: i dont have an /etc/shadow file |
| 12:51.23 | jm_ | ilia;then just use the refresh rate as configured in Windows in that dialog |
| 12:51.27 | valdyn | xychix: which is why im saying that you might be better off using debian/i386.. but i dont know your specific situation/demands |
| 12:51.35 | jm_ | right click on desktop -> properties -> advanced or somesuch |
| 12:51.35 | n0x^wech | valdyn thx first. now its installing... can i start it after installation by typing startx? |
| 12:51.46 | valdyn | n0x^wech: yea |
| 12:51.54 | n0x^wech | woohoo nice |
| 12:51.54 | xychix | valdyn: only vmware host |
| 12:51.56 | n0x^wech | :D |
| 12:51.56 | Kluster_v2 | jetspyd, you mean the default website folder ? |
| 12:51.57 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: and starting with a S, if they start with K it's ok. S starts the services when entering the rulevel, K kills them |
| 12:51.59 | Exit83 | Anthro: maybe i should make one? |
| 12:51.59 | valdyn | n0x^wech: if it is configured correctly, you'll get to that, just wait |
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| 12:52.03 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: brb |
| 12:52.09 | xychix | valdyn: 686-smp kernel gave a kernel panic /dev/console not found :S |
| 12:52.14 | valdyn | xychix: that's the point, i know nothing about vmware ) |
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| 12:52.15 | n0x^wech | i am a complete linux noob |
| 12:52.16 | jetspyd | Kluster_v2, yes |
| 12:52.20 | binary_dreamer | redguy|work, ok |
| 12:52.33 | n0x^wech | i tried knoppix live dvd and was very impressed |
| 12:52.33 | valdyn | xychix: which one did? |
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| 12:52.43 | jetspyd | Kluster_v2, not an specific user, nor for the machine |
| 12:52.46 | skript | how can I disable auto mounting of NTFS partitions at bootup ? (I'm running etch) |
| 12:52.50 | xychix | linux-image-686-smp-2.6-12 |
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| 12:53.03 | Kluster_v2 | jetspyd, it's in /var/www/html (or /var/www/something) |
| 12:53.09 | Anthro | Exit83: Ah, so you don't have shadow passwords set. That's okay. |
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| 12:53.22 | Exit83 | Anthro: yeah but what to do now?N |
| 12:53.31 | Anthro | Exit83: Do you have password entries in your /etc/passwd? As in, more than just a * or x? |
| 12:53.33 | valdyn | xychix: no idea, it's not b/c your system cannot use 32-bit kernels however |
| 12:53.37 | calmar | skript: basically, you can do this in /etc/fstab from what I know |
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| 12:53.58 | xychix | valdyn: it runs on 386 single processor 2.4 kernel |
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| 12:54.15 | Anthro | Exit83: I am assuming you know how to read and understand the /etc/passwd file. |
| 12:54.15 | Exit83 | Anthro: no |
| 12:54.23 | Exit83 | anthro yes :d |
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| 12:54.45 | Exit83 | Anthro: unfortunately vi got stuk trying to make a file lol |
| 12:54.51 | valdyn | xychix: ok, i see, you tried to upgrade a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel and your disk interface is sata? |
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| 12:54.54 | skript | calmar: well... my fstab options for ntfs partitions are set to 'noauto', but the partitions still get mounted automatically |
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| 12:55.09 | xychix | valdyn: yes ! |
| 12:55.10 | Anthro | Exit83: Er... does your root partition have any free space? |
| 12:55.10 | trym | anything I should be aware of before ordering my new Athlon64 box ? |
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| 12:55.21 | Exit83 | Anthro: which means i have to boot all over again, but ill try one last time with debian and getting to stick an ip address onto that darn nic |
| 12:55.43 | Exit83 | Anthro: i took a 2 GB partition, seeing as its a netboot, i think i have some few mb left :d |
| 12:55.48 | valdyn | xychix: 2.4 has sata devices on /dev/hdx, 2.6 has sata devices on /dev/sdx |
| 12:56.10 | valdyn | xychix: if you know what you're doing, just fix that, otherwise its probably quite easy to just reinstall with linux26 |
| 12:56.10 | Anthro | Exit83: Hrm. This is a brand new install and it's having all this trouble? Cripes. I'd just reinstall. |
| 12:56.20 | xychix | valdyn: crap so either i need to make a shitload of ln -s or i'd better reainstall with 2.6 kernel from cd |
| 12:56.47 | Exit83 | Anthro: rebooting = reinstall with this machine :D |
| 12:56.51 | calmar | skript: then I woudn't know sorry. may umount it manually and do a mount -a . then it really should not mount it according to the man page |
| 12:56.55 | valdyn | xychix: ln wouldnt be the right method, but anyway, reinstall is probably easiest |
| 12:56.57 | Anthro | Exit83: Well, there you go. |
| 12:57.04 | jetspyd | Kluster_v2, ok, i found it, but the server shows not the /var/www... it shows me the /var/www/apache-default/ folder... how can i change it? |
| 12:57.17 | xychix | valdyn: will do that then ;) i'll leave amd64 for now then |
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| 12:57.42 | Kluster_v2 | jetspyd, edit the config file, you're using apache 1.3 or 2 ? |
| 12:57.53 | jetspyd | Kluster_v2, 2 |
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| 12:58.01 | Exit83 | Anthro: o what fun, it is to work on a sparc machine :D |
| 12:58.02 | skript | calmar: ok... thanks anyway ;) |
| 12:58.03 | Timus | Woah |
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| 12:58.13 | Timus | A lot of people on this server. |
| 12:58.19 | Timus | So, whatta we talking about? |
| 12:58.23 | Exit83 | me |
| 12:58.25 | Anthro | Exit83: Oy, sparc. Why can't you do a CD install? |
| 12:58.25 | Guerin | Timus: /topic |
| 12:58.29 | valdyn | !topicsmite Timus |
| 12:58.29 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Timus. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:58.31 | Anthro | !topicsmite timus |
| 12:58.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon timus. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:58.45 | Anthro | valdyn: Damn, beat me to it. |
| 12:58.51 | Exit83 | Anthro: it seems my cd rom aint supported, which actually is a common problem |
| 12:58.53 | Timus | That's great |
| 12:59.05 | Kluster_v2 | jetspyd, edit the file /etc/apache2/ I believe it's split into several files, try reading the manual |
| 12:59.08 | Timus | So, everyone here pretty much sticks to the topic without variating? |
| 12:59.10 | Exit83 | Anthro: i dont have the time to run around and find other CDrom drives |
| 12:59.16 | Timus | :P |
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| 12:59.21 | Guerin | Timus: yes. |
| 12:59.23 | Bogaurd | hmm, my exim is not allowing my network to send mail.... but no mention of it in the logs? |
| 12:59.26 | Exit83 | Anthro: and dammit, i want netboot :D |
| 12:59.36 | Timus | Oh, then, I don't even know what Debian is, I'm so fucking bored though. |
| 12:59.43 | Timus | Sorry about the curse. |
| 12:59.45 | Exit83 | lol |
| 12:59.54 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: which logs did you expect |
| 12:59.57 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: which logs did you inspect |
| 13:00.03 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: rejectlog |
| 13:00.05 | Exit83 | Debian is a secret project with only one objective |
| 13:00.07 | valdyn | !tell Timus -about debian |
| 13:00.09 | Exit83 | world domination |
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| 13:00.34 | Timus | ah, an o/s |
| 13:00.53 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: rejection should be there |
| 13:01.01 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: indeed. |
| 13:01.01 | Anthro | Exit83: Well, good luck. |
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| 13:01.08 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: it's not though. |
| 13:01.15 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: is it really your exim the client is talking to? |
| 13:01.17 | Timus | Well, I'm more of a hardware buff, never got that into software except for C Basic. |
| 13:01.23 | Guerin | actually, the objective is to have our OS control all beer breweries in the world, so that we can activate our secret backdoors and get free beer |
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| 13:01.28 | Timus | So, I'll be leavin y'all now. |
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| 13:01.40 | Guerin | free beer being the only valid objective in the world |
| 13:01.42 | loveboat | i'm going absolutely crazy. how do you set up the line for the ssh method in sources.list? it searches in really wierd places instead of the path i've written |
| 13:01.45 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: yes, i've telnetted it. |
| 13:02.02 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: stop exim and try telnetting again |
| 13:02.06 | Guerin | Zugschlus: you have exim set to ping you, don't you? |
| 13:02.18 | Zugschlus | Guerin: yes |
| 13:02.26 | Zugschlus | why? |
| 13:02.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:02.39 | Guerin | Zugschlus: you always pop up when someone mentions it |
| 13:02.42 | Anthro | So I have a licensing question. It appears that the MySQL Perl DBI interface goes through libmysqlclient14, which is GPL'd. Does this mean that any Perl code written against MySQL is bound by the GPL? |
| 13:02.46 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: no connection. |
| 13:02.52 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: indeed... |
| 13:02.55 | tarzeau | what's the best general data compression (lossless) software/algorithm you know (speed doesn't matter)? |
| 13:03.05 | Anthro | tarzeau: ISBN |
| 13:03.11 | loveboat | hehe |
| 13:03.19 | Anthro | tarzeau: Oh, sorry, you want general. |
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| 13:03.48 | loveboat | so, noone has ever used apt via ssh? |
| 13:03.54 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: any ideas? |
| 13:04.03 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: a Debian standard config logs the following to rejectlog: "2005-12-14 14:03:25 H=q.bofh.de (bla) [195.49.138.65]:49158 I=[81.169.156.164]:2 |
| 13:04.22 | Zugschlus | 5 U=mh F=<sender> rejected RCPT <recipietn>: relay not permitted |
| 13:04.25 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: yep - i ran a relay test today, that logged just fine. |
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| 13:04.36 | Guerin | tarzeau: bzip2 beats 7zip out by a few bytes per million, I think |
| 13:04.47 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: try testing the relay via telnet |
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| 13:05.07 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: i forget the exact comands, care to run me through it? |
| 13:05.12 | Bogaurd | HELO fisrt? |
| 13:05.42 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: EHLO your.host.name, MAIL FROM:<sender>, RCPT TO:<recipient> |
| 13:05.48 | Zugschlus | or use swaks for more automatic testing |
| 13:05.50 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: okay |
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| 13:06.13 | Ilias | jm_: where to find my frquencies? |
| 13:06.20 | Ilias | (winxp atm) |
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| 13:06.27 | jm_ | Ilias: I have already told you |
| 13:06.40 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: it says MAIL FROM is unrecognised command? |
| 13:07.04 | Trewas | Guerin: isn't 7zip supposed to be better than rar? rar at least wins bzip2 easily in compress ratios |
| 13:07.12 | jm_ | Ilias: right click on desktop, properties, settings (resolution), then advanced and monitor for refresh rate |
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| 13:07.51 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: MAIL FROM:<sender>. Including colon and < > |
| 13:07.58 | Guerin | Trewas: hrm, I didn't see that benchmark. |
| 13:07.59 | Bogaurd | ah okay |
| 13:08.04 | Zugschlus | or use swaks for more automatic testing |
| 13:08.11 | Guerin | Trewas: but rar isn't free software, so it's not really worth talking about. |
| 13:08.15 | Exit83 | Anthro: doesnt work, ifconfig in shell says it has an ip adress, cant ping |
| 13:08.16 | Ilias | jm_: I already left when you said that ;) |
| 13:08.49 | Anthro | Exit83: I've never done a netboot install, sorry. |
| 13:09.02 | jm_ | Ilias: no you didn't |
| 13:09.08 | Exit83 | Anthro: i guess its back to gentoo then |
| 13:09.13 | jm_ | ohh yes you have |
| 13:09.13 | Ilias | w/e :) |
| 13:09.17 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: hmm... no errors... |
| 13:09.20 | Ilias | jm_: 60 hertz |
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| 13:09.42 | jm_ | Ilias: ok so use that and the same resolution |
| 13:09.45 | Trewas | Guerin: I have tested gzip/bzip2/rar versus each other for few different types of data (like the kernel source and the compiled open office packages), and there is about as much difference between rar and bzip2 as there is between gzip and bzip2 (i.e., quite a lot) |
| 13:09.59 | Anthro | Exit83: You might want to wait until someone with the right experience shows up. You might also want to try #debian-boot |
| 13:10.19 | Ilias | jm_: but my resolutions aren't in the list.. |
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| 13:10.45 | redguy|work | binary_dreamer: you there? |
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| 13:10.56 | jm_ | Ilias: use advanced mode of configuration and enter all the necessary details |
| 13:11.03 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: that sent fine... |
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| 13:11.21 | Ilias | jm_ : thx again |
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| 13:11.30 | Exit83 | Anthro: those channels dont respond, but i forgot to add default gw, unfortunately, i hd another kernel-panic |
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| 13:12.06 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: now i just need to figure out why thunderbird cant send... |
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| 13:15.20 | gypsymauro | it's possible to tell apt-get to use another sources.list instead of the /etc/apt one? |
| 13:15.51 | henk | Hi i want to allow a user to log into my linux desktop, but i want to monitor his every move. What whould be the way to do that ? |
| 13:15.58 | Guerin | Trewas: right you are |
| 13:16.04 | Guerin | tarzeau: http://www.maximumcompression.com/data/summary_mf.php |
| 13:16.07 | jm_ | gypsymauro: yes, read /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 13:16.11 | Bogaurd | argh, whats going on here.... |
| 13:16.15 | Bogaurd | its not working =( |
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| 13:16.17 | Roey | hello |
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| 13:16.23 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 13:16.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 13:16.44 | Bogaurd | Guerin: the exim problem from 5 mins ago. |
| 13:16.45 | Roey | how do I disable a service in /etc/rcN.d without having to type the filename twice? |
| 13:17.00 | tarzeau | Guerin: thnks |
| 13:17.17 | jm_ | Roey: try /msg dpkg services |
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| 13:17.55 | Guerin | tarzeau: np lol |
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| 13:18.02 | n0x | valdyn: now i have wrongly configured my graphic adapter and i get error message |
| 13:18.03 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: you still around? |
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| 13:18.12 | n0x | how can i change? |
| 13:18.18 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: yes |
| 13:18.19 | Guerin | !drxx n0x |
| 13:18.19 | dpkg | n0x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:18.28 | Guerin | !tell n0x about set up x |
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| 13:18.37 | Zugschlus | what exactly happens? |
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| 13:18.56 | Guerin | someone set him up the bomb |
| 13:19.44 | redguy|work | move zig? |
| 13:19.46 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: still having this not work on me... |
| 13:19.58 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: now it seems exim isnt accepting mail from fetchmail anymore either. |
| 13:20.03 | ilias | jm_: next question: what do I fill in at "monitor's horizontal sync range". |
| 13:20.23 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: this is http://paste.debian.net/3200 how a rejection should look like |
| 13:20.25 | n0x | I dont know my graphic card bus id because im running in on a laptop |
| 13:20.27 | fireba11 | anyone got a clue why debian dovecot package depends on mysql ? guess it just needs any database ... but why is that ? |
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| 13:20.35 | jm_ | ilias: go with 64kHz for now, or if that's too low for your resolution, use 96 |
| 13:20.46 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: which error message does it give when rejecting the message from fetchmail? What does it log? |
| 13:21.02 | jm_ | fireba11: it doesn't depend on mysql |
| 13:21.10 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: lemme check the logs.. |
| 13:21.11 | ilias | and my vertical refresh rate? 60? |
| 13:21.26 | jm_ | yes, 60 |
| 13:21.40 | fireba11 | jm_ then one database whatsoever .. tried apt-get -s install dovecot and got that it would install mysql |
| 13:21.55 | jm_ | fireba11: in Sarge? |
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| 13:22.08 | fireba11 | jm_ yes |
| 13:22.21 | Roey | jm_: thanks! |
| 13:22.25 | ilias | jm_: video mode? cause there no 1400*1050 listed.. |
| 13:22.26 | jm_ | fireba11: no way |
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| 13:22.53 | jm_ | ilias: then go with 1024, and we'll check if you can do it by hand later |
| 13:22.56 | ejofee | which is the recommended transparent cluster solution (app) for debian? |
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| 13:23.09 | ejofee | any nomachine's nx user here? |
| 13:23.10 | Gnea | ejofee: which one? |
| 13:23.16 | r00t^vaio | /msg apt foo |
| 13:23.16 | r00t^vaio | --- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 13:23.25 | ejofee | Gnea: right |
| 13:23.33 | r00t^vaio | why the hell isn't the bot set to accept messages? |
| 13:23.34 | jm_ | fireba11: it needs mysql client lib in Etch, but not in Sarge |
| 13:23.41 | Gnea | ejofee: i don't know 'right', which cluster solution are you looking for? |
| 13:23.43 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: hmm, nothing in the logs from fetchmail.... i do get this though: |
| 13:23.49 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.49 | r00t^vaio | ah, ignore me |
| 13:23.54 | Bogaurd | no idea where that is from =\ |
| 13:23.56 | jm_ | FireEgl: ahh hell, dovecot-common needs it :) |
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| 13:24.00 | jm_ | fireba11 ^^^^^ |
| 13:24.17 | Gnea | ejofee: what i mean is, what do you want to do with your cluster? |
| 13:24.21 | jm_ | fireba11: but that's just client side library, shouldn't be a big deal |
| 13:24.21 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: that sounds like you need to reboot and check your hardware |
| 13:24.22 | fireba11 | jm_ :-D |
| 13:24.30 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: yeah... |
| 13:24.46 | fireba11 | jm_ i know .. but i want to keep installed packages at a minimum so i wondering why it needs it at all |
| 13:24.47 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: could that have come from forcing modules to be unloaded? |
| 13:24.57 | ejofee | Gnea: share resources, maintain a distributed mirroring system on my lan, etc. |
| 13:25.05 | fidel_ | hi, basic idea is: i need the lines of code from a software project. With: cat /patho/to/project/* | wc -l i get the LOC |
| 13:25.10 | n0x | Guerin: i reconfigured but still get error message "no matching device selection for instance BusID PCI:0:2:0) found" |
| 13:25.12 | fireba11 | jm_ http://channels.debian.net/paste/1287 |
| 13:25.13 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: yes, that's a probably cause |
| 13:25.14 | fidel_ | now i want to filter out the comments |
| 13:25.19 | fidel_ | .// |
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| 13:25.25 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: alright, i'll reboot the box. |
| 13:25.28 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: if you force unload of modules that the kernel thinks are still needed is a bad idea |
| 13:25.36 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: yeah, i thought to soo |
| 13:25.41 | Gnea | ejofee: that's what all clusters do - but some clusters are more specific than others. young grasshopper, you must tell us what you wish to do, specifically, not in a general vagueness. |
| 13:25.46 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: someone in ##linux said it was okay though. |
| 13:25.48 | fidel_ | cat /path/to/* |grep "\/\/" | wc -l RIGHT ? |
| 13:25.52 | ilias | ok, restarted X, but I still cant choose anything higher then 800*600.. |
| 13:26.04 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: i keep getting all these messages from USB in my syslog, about charge or something |
| 13:26.08 | jm_ | fireba11: maybe it can pull the info for something from mysql |
| 13:26.18 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: so i was trying to unload the usb modules :) |
| 13:26.22 | jm_ | ilias: is it configured to use 1024x768? |
| 13:26.27 | Bogaurd | i'll be back in a few mins, gonna reboot |
| 13:26.32 | ilias | yeps :s |
| 13:26.43 | fireba11 | jm_ of course i can choose to use mysql for auth storage etc .. but i don't really see why itÄs required |
| 13:26.51 | jm_ | ilias: paste X logfile somewhere |
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| 13:27.17 | jm_ | fireba11: that's the tricky part - there would either need to be several packages, i.e. dovecot-mysql, or one that handles multiple methods |
| 13:27.30 | Gnea | !beowulf |
| 13:27.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beowulf is that nifty cluster technology at http://www.beowulf.org, or http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
| 13:28.03 | ilias | jm_: X logfile location? |
| 13:28.10 | jm_ | ilias: /msg dpkg x logfile |
| 13:28.23 | fireba11 | jm_ so it is probably one package that is mysql-enabled so it requires it even if i don't use it ... |
| 13:28.29 | jm_ | fireba11: indeed |
| 13:28.46 | fireba11 | jm_ hm .. not that nice .. ah well |
| 13:29.19 | jm_ | fireba11: that's the same when people complain that emacs installs X11 libs |
| 13:29.31 | fireba11 | jm_ still need some pro dovecot and/or anti cyrus arguments for my boss .. got anything ? :-) |
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| 13:30.07 | ilias | jm_:dpkg won't answer my question |
| 13:30.38 | Gnea | ilias: register |
| 13:30.53 | jm_ | !tell ilias -about x logfile |
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| 13:31.13 | jm_ | fireba11: not really, I don't use IMAP/POP3 |
| 13:31.13 | ilias | jm_: thx :) |
| 13:31.48 | fireba11 | jm_ what your're not reading email ? |
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| 13:33.00 | rootnoverify | jm_: http://pastebin.com/463610 |
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| 13:33.01 | n0x | Get error msg no matching device selection for instance found when starting up x |
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| 13:33.47 | quiet | does anyone in here run smokeping, or can point to some docs for setting it up? |
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| 13:33.57 | n0x | plz help |
| 13:34.19 | Gnea | !plz |
| 13:34.19 | dpkg | [plz] german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 13:34.28 | Gnea | !ask |
| 13:34.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:34.52 | jm_ | fireba11: I get mail delivered to my workstation where I read it locally |
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| 13:35.47 | fireba11 | jm_ ^^ |
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| 13:36.25 | jm_ | rootnoverify: it got the right values from EDID |
| 13:36.40 | rootnoverify | jm_: ..? |
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| 13:37.02 | jm_ | rootnoverify: ! |
| 13:37.17 | rootnoverify | jm_: so what do I need to do next? :s |
| 13:37.19 | Gnea | !!!11!oneone! |
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| 13:37.24 | xychix | grrr r2.6 kernel hangs on clockdriver v1.12 |
| 13:37.32 | nixxie | !!!eleven!! |
| 13:37.34 | xychix | stupid xeon crap |
| 13:37.46 | Gnea | xychix: works fine here |
| 13:37.55 | jm_ | rootnoverify: edit config file and list the resolutions you want to use manually |
| 13:38.05 | xychix | Gnea: i installed from sarge netinstall with linux26 |
| 13:38.14 | xychix | now it has problems with a clock |
| 13:38.22 | Gnea | xychix: tried turning off apic? |
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| 13:39.27 | xychix | Gnea: how ? |
| 13:39.54 | Gnea | xychix: it's a kernel option at boottime - check out /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ |
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| 13:41.06 | Roldyx | hi |
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| 13:45.16 | xychix | Gnea: will i still use both processors withe noapic ? |
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| 13:46.05 | jetspyd | where can i change the initial folder that apache look... actualy it looks at /var/www/apache2-default, i want to change it to simply /var/www |
| 13:46.15 | Gnea | xychix: yeah - that might not work too, it may be something else - not often that xeons don't work right |
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| 13:46.47 | Gnea | xychix: you may need to recompile a kernel when you get the chance, that's what i wind up doing anyway, it always runs better then |
| 13:46.50 | Buddha| | When will KDE 3.5 be available in experimental, or is it already? |
| 13:46.57 | rootnoverify | jm_: edited the file. is there some special command I have to run before I restart X? |
| 13:47.01 | Gnea | !experimental |
| 13:47.01 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 13:47.10 | nixxie | jetspyd, find DocumentRoot in apache config files |
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| 13:47.31 | Buddha| | okay, what about unstable, then? |
| 13:47.43 | k31th_ | anyone running nxserver on ubuntu ? |
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| 13:48.00 | nixxie | k3: #ubuntu |
| 13:48.06 | k31th_ | sorry |
| 13:48.14 | k31th_ | i thought this was ubuntu guys. |
| 13:48.22 | Ronin | nope #debian |
| 13:48.31 | nixxie | you should remove the s/debian/ubuntu/ from your irc client |
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| 13:49.21 | rootnoverify | jm_: you still around? |
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| 13:49.47 | jetspyd | nixxie, where? i can't find it in apache2.conf? |
| 13:50.08 | jm_ | rootnoverify: how do you start X? |
| 13:50.14 | Buddha| | When will KDE 3.5 be available in unstable, or is it already? |
| 13:50.22 | rootnoverify | jm_: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 13:50.25 | nixxie | jetspyd, i havent played with apache2 but i am guessing that grep -ri documentroot /etc/apache2/* will be of help |
| 13:50.32 | jm_ | rootnoverify: are you using a display manager? |
| 13:50.57 | rootnoverify | jm_: you mean a desktop environment? |
| 13:51.03 | jm_ | rootnoverify: no |
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| 13:51.08 | rootnoverify | oh :p |
| 13:51.13 | nixxie | like gdm or xdm. graphical login for X |
| 13:51.18 | jetspyd | nixxie, thanx |
| 13:51.34 | rootnoverify | I guess gdm, cause it's gnome style |
| 13:51.39 | rootnoverify | (the login) |
| 13:51.42 | jm_ | then restart it |
| 13:51.53 | rootnoverify | jm_: how..? :p |
| 13:52.17 | jm_ | rootnoverify: bah, invoke-rc.d gdm restart |
| 13:52.34 | Dj_mOCh | hello any1 |
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| 13:53.00 | Gnea | !any1 |
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| 13:53.27 | Dj_mOCh | nick abang |
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| 13:53.32 | rootnoverify | jm_: gives me error in shell |
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| 13:53.39 | jm_ | rootnoverify: what errors |
| 13:53.45 | catatonic_ | gnupg is supposedly signed. how do I check that it is signed ? I know how to use sha1sum but that just does a md check on the file, how do i know the web page hasn't been tampered with ? |
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| 13:54.03 | rootnoverify | jm_: bash: invoke-rc.d: command not found |
| 13:54.11 | jm_ | rootnoverify: did you do this as root? |
| 13:54.18 | Dj_mOCh | has any one know mail server postfix with qmail? |
| 13:54.20 | rootnoverify | jm_: su - |
| 13:54.27 | jm_ | rootnoverify: then use /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 13:54.37 | Gnea | bot alert |
| 13:54.38 | rootnoverify | jm_: oh, didn't su, sorry ;) |
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| 13:54.51 | catatonic_ | "GnuPG distributions are signed", so what command checks the signature ? I know gpg has a --verify command but I cant use that without intalling it! chicken and egg problem |
| 13:55.17 | Buddha| | I don't understand the version number of KDE in the package lists. It says '5:45', but I thought the latest version was 3.5. |
| 13:55.42 | Gnea | Buddha|: what package? |
| 13:56.02 | lingkeran | has any one know mail server postfix with qmail? |
| 13:56.21 | Gnea | lingkeran: they are the same thing |
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| 13:56.32 | Buddha| | Gnea: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kde |
| 13:56.42 | Ronin | lingkeran: just ask your question |
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| 13:56.56 | Gnea | Buddha|: that's just a metapackage |
| 13:57.17 | Buddha| | Gnea - kde-core has the same number |
| 13:57.22 | lingkeran | why same one have postfix for virtual domain and |
| 13:57.32 | lingkeran | qmail for mta |
| 13:57.53 | lingkeran | mail friend configure mail server with that |
| 13:58.00 | Gnea | Buddha|: but kdeutils doesn't |
| 13:58.08 | Ronin | lingkeran: im guessing english isnt your native language?? |
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| 13:58.21 | Gnea | lingkeran: no, postfix and qmail are MTA's |
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| 13:58.41 | Buddha| | Gnea - true. That's version 3.4.3. Any idea when 3.5 will be available? |
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| 13:59.04 | Gnea | Buddha|: when it's ready. |
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| 13:59.16 | lingkeran | so, why he need postfix for virtual domain? |
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| 13:59.34 | Ronin | he doesnt, it can be done with any mta if i understand you |
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| 14:01.02 | jetspyd | nixxie, how can i restart the apache 2 server |
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| 14:01.44 | lingkeran | but when i add some domain, i must use postmap to register domain? |
| 14:01.46 | nixxie | jetspyd, probably apachectl graceful, or apache2ctl graceful |
| 14:02.42 | jetspyd | nixxie, it works!!!!! thanx, i'll go alone from here |
| 14:02.46 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.48 | lingkeran | last i know qmail has vpopmail as virtual domain |
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| 14:03.04 | Gnea | lingkeran: vpopmail is an add-on package |
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| 14:03.21 | chaica | hi |
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| 14:03.51 | cahoot | Gnea: not invoke-rc.d ... restart then? |
| 14:04.10 | chaica | I'm trying to install a sarge in raid 1 with the debian-installer, I can't succeed. Is-it possible or I'm too bad? Can-you give me the howto in this last option? |
| 14:04.14 | lingkeran | ooo... i confuse with my mail server??? |
| 14:04.18 | Gnea | cahoot: invoke-what? |
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| 14:04.50 | cahoot | Gnea: like invoke-rc.d apache2 restart - as the *proper* debian way |
| 14:05.07 | Gnea | cahoot: since when? |
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| 14:05.28 | ftsac | chaica, how did you get stuck |
| 14:05.39 | lingkeran | what can i do, to know if my mail server use qmail or postfix? |
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| 14:05.47 | Gnea | hrm |
| 14:05.53 | Gnea | cahoot: very interesting - thanks |
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| 14:05.55 | valdyn | lingkeran: telnet mailser 25 |
| 14:05.57 | wathek | I've a prob while trying to burn a cue image with K3B when I select it and click on burn it tells me this http://paste.uni.cc/8368 |
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| 14:06.49 | lewis | is there a debian package for apache bandwidth controlling? |
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| 14:07.31 | catatonic_ | lewis: traffic shaping |
| 14:07.44 | chaica | ftsac : I want a really simple install, everything in the same partition, and a swap space. I created two raid partitions on the first and second disk, and I created a raid device with my real partition. I confirm and installer said me it had failed. |
| 14:07.49 | valdyn | lewis: not in sarge iirc |
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| 14:08.22 | lewis | http://www.ivn.cl/apache/ - looking at this at the moment, seems very good. |
| 14:08.22 | lingkeran | i have read installing qmail over postfix |
| 14:08.33 | lingkeran | that is can be true? |
| 14:08.44 | xychix | Gnea: i don't seem to get it running :( to bad 2.4 kernel worked fine |
| 14:08.59 | valdyn | lewis: try libapache-mod-acct-mysql |
| 14:09.06 | ftsac | chaica, you should create 2 pair partition on 2 harddrive with type is RAID.. |
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| 14:09.27 | ftsac | chaica, then you create 2 raid devices with them |
| 14:09.33 | lewis | does that just record though, or actively control? |
| 14:09.58 | ftsac | finally, create / and swap partition on it |
| 14:10.11 | Ronin | lingkeran: what is your native language? theres likely a debian channel for it |
| 14:10.25 | valdyn | lewis: libapache-mod-iptos |
| 14:10.34 | Guerin | lingkeran: there's no good reason to use qmail over postfix |
| 14:10.36 | Ronin | cause either im still frozen from this morning or just slower then normal |
| 14:10.38 | ftsac | I used to install several machine with RAID-1 without any trouble |
| 14:10.48 | Guerin | lingkeran: and qmail isn't supportable in #debian, anyway |
| 14:10.48 | Ronin | Guerin: less letters to type in qmail :) |
| 14:10.57 | chaica | ftsac, I'm trying following your instructions |
| 14:11.02 | Guerin | Ronin: well, I'll grant you that reason |
| 14:11.05 | lewis | by the way, are Apache2 modules and Apache 1.3 modules very different? |
| 14:11.18 | ftsac | chaica: it's really simple |
| 14:11.19 | lewis | (i.e. will an apache2 module work on an apache 1.3 server?) |
| 14:11.22 | resiak | No. |
| 14:11.34 | resiak | or yes, depending on which question you want an answer to. |
| 14:11.40 | lewis | heh |
| 14:11.42 | valdyn | lewis: apache2 is a different http server |
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| 14:11.47 | resiak | No, a2 modules will not work. |
| 14:11.48 | valdyn | lewis: not just a new version |
| 14:11.55 | lewis | ah ok. |
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| 14:12.50 | lingkeran | Guerin : yeah, i know. i just want to know a reason why in my mail server use qmail and postfix??? |
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| 14:13.33 | FireEgl | jm_ |
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| 14:13.58 | Ronin | lingkeran: you mean qmail or postfix? personal preferances often |
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| 14:14.12 | lewis | so, if I have apache 1.3, what are the good methods (i.e. any modules out there, packages or not), of controlling bandwidth. For example, say I wanted all files over 100Mb to have a maximum transfer speed of 100k/s |
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| 14:14.46 | lingkeran | ronin: qmail and postfix |
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| 14:15.35 | Guerin | lingkeran: use postfix |
| 14:15.39 | Guerin | lingkeran: don't use qmail |
| 14:15.42 | rootnoverify | jm_: thx for help, it worked :) |
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| 14:15.57 | ftsac | Guerin: qmail more complicates? |
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| 14:16.18 | jm_ | rootnoverify: good, don't forget to run the md5sum thing |
| 14:16.19 | Ronin | ftsac: not really, just not as easy as apt-get install |
| 14:16.24 | Guerin | ftsac: qmail more crap |
| 14:16.30 | Guerin | Ronin: no. |
| 14:16.31 | Ronin | Guerin: no comment |
| 14:16.36 | Guerin | Ronin: no clue. |
| 14:16.38 | rootnoverify | now the next problem: I can't dpkg --install xchat cause it need xchat-commons.deb but I can't install that one either, cause that one requires xchat |
| 14:16.39 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 14:16.39 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
| 14:16.52 | jm_ | rootnoverify: use apt-get instead |
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| 14:17.00 | Ronin | ive seen that, most of the reasons seemed to be personal opinions about the author of qmail |
| 14:17.15 | rootnoverify | jm_: how do I do that md5sum thing? |
| 14:17.17 | lingkeran | guerin: yeah, i want that to. |
| 14:17.20 | ftsac | I'm using postfix now |
| 14:17.26 | jm_ | rootnoverify: it's described at the top of the config file |
| 14:17.27 | ftsac | it's really cool |
| 14:17.29 | Guerin | any MTA whose author a) refuses to allow modified distribution and b) refuses to fix critical bugs himself isn't worth using |
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| 14:17.49 | Guerin | Ronin: the bad opinions about DJB *are caused by* his idiocy with qmail |
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| 14:18.25 | Guerin | ftsac: yes, postfix is The Shit |
| 14:18.35 | Guerin | as opposed to qmail, which is just Shit |
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| 14:18.43 | Ronin | uh huh |
| 14:18.49 | ftsac | Guerin, how about exim4? |
| 14:18.55 | homekneet | Guerin: just curiosity - which do you use? |
| 14:18.57 | lingkeran | guerin: but, my mail server use qmail and postfix. i want upgrade with postfix |
| 14:18.59 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 14:18.59 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
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| 14:19.07 | Guerin | lingkeran: so use postfix. |
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| 14:19.10 | fireba11 | Guerin i want to switch to dovecot pop3/imap .. now my boss would favour cyrus *ikes* you got any good arguments for me or know where i can read up some comparison ro something ? |
| 14:19.14 | Guerin | homekneet: I use postfix |
| 14:19.22 | kr0x | i have 2 identical network cards ...how could i specify names eth0 or eth1 for each one ? |
| 14:19.27 | ftsac | Guerin: why postfix is Shit? |
| 14:19.31 | Ronin | how did he got both installed anyhow? |
| 14:19.41 | Guerin | fireba11: i use courier, so I'm more or less agnostic in the pop/imap stakes |
| 14:19.46 | Guerin | fireba11: it's THE Shit |
| 14:19.54 | Guerin | ftsac: it's THE Shit |
| 14:19.58 | ftsac | ?? |
| 14:19.59 | Ronin | ftsac: as in good |
| 14:20.00 | Guerin | ftsac: which means it's really good |
| 14:20.01 | azeem | ftsac: which means, he thinks it's alright |
| 14:20.05 | fireba11 | Guerin: exim4 is runnign fine so i want to keep it :-) |
| 14:20.09 | Guerin | The Shit == good |
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| 14:20.12 | Guerin | Shit == bad |
| 14:20.13 | ftsac | oh |
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| 14:20.22 | Guerin | fireba11: wise. |
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| 14:20.26 | Gnea | werd to words |
| 14:20.28 | ftsac | my English |
| 14:20.29 | ftsac | :D |
| 14:20.47 | fireba11 | Guerin: also i wrangled spamassassin and antivir in there and don't want to do that a second time if i can help it |
| 14:20.48 | lingkeran | kr0x: see with dmesg | grep eth |
| 14:20.51 | Ronin | ftsac: slang phrases, hapens all the time |
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| 14:20.58 | ftsac | fireball, I heared someone said exim4 sometimes halt |
| 14:21.00 | Gnea | ftsac: that's ok - just remember also that 'see you' and 'cu' are not proper ;) |
| 14:21.14 | ftsac | without any reason |
| 14:21.21 | Gnea | it's 'see-ya' |
| 14:21.28 | ftsac | lolz |
| 14:21.32 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:21.33 | kr0x | lingkeran: so i can't explicitly specify those names ? |
| 14:21.43 | fireba11 | ftsac: only time it ever halted on my was when i was bombed with 15k messages a day on a slow hardware and system resources ran out |
| 14:22.05 | ftsac | :) |
| 14:22.13 | ftsac | may be I'm wrong |
| 14:22.19 | fireba11 | ftsac: and even then it only refised connections but was still running technically speaking |
| 14:22.27 | SimonRaven | exim4 you have to kill on purpose (like that ^^^) to have it stop |
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| 14:22.40 | lingkeran | kr0x: no |
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| 14:22.51 | kr0x | lingkeran: thanks |
| 14:22.56 | SimonRaven | oooh, and the ldap integration r0x0rs my s0x0rs |
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| 14:23.02 | ftsac | since my company keep using exim4 lolz |
| 14:23.07 | lingkeran | kr0x: let kernel do name the ethernet |
| 14:23.09 | kr0x | lingkeran: i guess that's easiest way |
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| 14:25.04 | fireba11 | Guerin: great log :-) |
| 14:25.06 | cees | hi, I can't write in a pen drive as user. The device is mount, and I can read without problem. Whats wrong?. Debianppc, testing, Ibook G4 |
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| 14:25.15 | lewis | hmm - mod_bandwidth.so is already in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/ |
| 14:25.21 | tralala | !PeterS++ |
| 14:25.23 | jm_ | cees: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 14:25.24 | lingkeran | guerin: what should i do when i wanna upgrade my qmail server with postfix? |
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| 14:25.41 | abrotman | why did you even start with qmail ? |
| 14:25.45 | Guerin | lingkeran: that's a pretty complicated bit of work |
| 14:25.47 | fireba11 | lingkeran: i'd suggest searching for a migration how-to |
| 14:25.49 | kr0x | lingkeran: is it possible that kernel will mess those names one day ? |
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| 14:25.59 | kasha | .Ï ?ÙÆØÉÆ |
| 14:26.14 | Guerin | lingkeran: you basically have to learn postfix well enough to get the config merged over |
| 14:26.22 | Gnea | !qmail |
| 14:26.22 | dpkg | hmm... qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
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| 14:26.28 | Guerin | lingkeran: do it on a clone box before taking it live |
| 14:26.32 | lingkeran | guerin: ahhhh.... poor me... |
| 14:26.44 | Guerin | lingkeran: yeah, I don't envy you. |
| 14:26.50 | abrotman | lingkeran: what do you need to migrate from your qmail install ? |
| 14:26.50 | cees | js_, Dont understand |
| 14:26.55 | SimonRaven | s,with,without, :P |
| 14:26.58 | Guerin | lingkeran: exim4 might be faster, I don't know |
| 14:26.58 | fireba11 | Guerin since we're on the topic .. know a good way to make a clonebox for migration testing ? |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | !tell cees about vfatrw |
| 14:27.08 | Guerin | fireba11: rsync |
| 14:27.28 | Guerin | SimonRaven: so very right |
| 14:27.37 | fireba11 | guerin: rsync the whole box or what ? gimme some details, i never tried something like that :-) |
| 14:27.54 | Guerin | fireba11: google for backup strategies |
| 14:27.58 | lingkeran | abrotman: because server have an error in messages "out of memory" |
| 14:28.20 | fireba11 | Guerin: okay, will do, thanks |
| 14:28.42 | Guerin | fireba11: rsync -a, excluding /dev and /proc and so on, plus a bit of dd to g8et your MBR in place might work if you have the same hardware |
| 14:28.57 | lingkeran | guerin: exim4?? virtual domain hard to set, isn't? |
| 14:28.57 | SimonRaven | lingkeran: simple little daemon called swapd would help... |
| 14:29.14 | SimonRaven | at least it can save your ass if you have a runaway process |
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| 14:29.16 | ftsac | in my server always has "fail to start tls" with cyrus in mail log |
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| 14:29.49 | ftsac | even I check throughly with tls cert many time |
| 14:29.58 | Guerin | lingkeran: i've not used exim extensively, but I sincerely doubt it |
| 14:30.20 | lingkeran | simonraven: no, i have free of swap, my memory id steel free |
| 14:30.33 | cees | js_, I can't find the dev in /etc/fstab, I have mount the pen in a /media . I cant remember how or what aplication I use |
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| 14:31.04 | SimonRaven | 'out of memory' sounds like you're running out .... |
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| 14:31.32 | abrotman | lingkeran: that wasn't what i asked .. but ok |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | lingkeran: it wasn't a |
| 14:31.47 | abrotman | lingkeran: it wasn't a 'why' .. but a 'what' |
| 14:31.56 | cees | js_, I dis it, because the fstab way was very hard for me. I found a post with an application for do that, and now the pen is mount in a /media dir |
| 14:32.00 | homekneet | lingkeran: virtual domains under exim4 is pretty easy. http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.60/doc/html/spec.html/ch46.html#SECTvirtualdomains |
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| 14:32.47 | lingkeran | abrotman: sory... |
| 14:33.04 | lewis | anyone know where to find documentation of mod_bandwidth.so, included with apache 1.3 and debian? |
| 14:33.14 | js_ | cees: you're addressing the wrong person |
| 14:33.18 | Gnea | lewis: apache.org |
| 14:33.23 | abrotman | lewis: ask #apache .. |
| 14:33.34 | lingkeran | abrotman: i need all virtual domain up again, with my new configuration with postfix |
| 14:33.39 | lewis | mod_bandwidth.so isn't included with the default apache source. |
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| 14:33.46 | lewis | #apache told me to ask in here. |
| 14:33.49 | abrotman | lingkeran: oh .. ask #postfix. . maybe they know of a script/tool ? |
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| 14:33.52 | SimonRaven | lewis: /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-bandwidth maybe.... |
| 14:33.54 | Gnea | those bastards. |
| 14:34.06 | Gnea | lewis: well who distributes it? |
| 14:34.13 | abrotman | Gnea: let's put them on the rotisserie! |
| 14:34.19 | lewis | I found it in /usr/lib/apache/1.3 |
| 14:34.36 | lingkeran | homekneet: does exim4 virtual domain with mysql?? as vpopmail?? |
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| 14:34.51 | lewis | SimonRaven: I don't have that. |
| 14:35.16 | homekneet | lingkeran: I believe it can do so - but I've only used the file systems. However - I think I saw a link on that recently - just a sec |
| 14:35.17 | Gnea | heh |
| 14:35.28 | SimonRaven | note i said maybe. thus, it follows that you should check what i said.... |
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| 14:35.29 | abrotman | SimonRaven: it's in apache-common |
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| 14:35.37 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 14:35.49 | abrotman | lewis: have you asked google ? |
| 14:36.11 | lewis | google pointed me in the direction of mods that I can compile for apache, one of them called mod_bandwidth |
| 14:36.14 | abrotman | lewis: http://www.cohprog.com/mod_bandwidth.html .. first hit on google for "mod_bandwidth" |
| 14:36.16 | lingkeran | #postfix |
| 14:36.16 | Gnea | lewis: mod-bandwidth probably has a homepage somewhere... google or freshmeat.net will know |
| 14:36.21 | wathek | can I mount a CDA image ? |
| 14:36.21 | lingkeran | # postfix |
| 14:36.25 | SimonRaven | engage brain into first |
| 14:36.26 | lewis | yeh - that one I have compiled, and was copying across. |
| 14:36.28 | cees | js_, sorry |
| 14:36.33 | homekneet | lingkeran: http://www.tty1.net/virtual_domains_en.html |
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| 14:36.37 | abrotman | lewis: but why would the docs be different ? |
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| 14:36.43 | Gnea | segmentation fault |
| 14:37.05 | lingkeran | homekneet: i'm waiting... |
| 14:37.11 | lewis | the mod_bandwidth.so I compiled is 69K. I was copying it across to /usr/lib/apache/1.3, when I found an existing 14K file there. I wanted to know if that was a default file, etc. |
| 14:37.18 | gypsymauro | hello, there is a way to extract the list of packgages contained in a Packages.gz file? without dependencies descriptions.. |
| 14:37.18 | SimonRaven | ** glibc ** free 0xnonthingtoseehere |
| 14:37.33 | homekneet | lingkeran: I just posted it - didn't it get thru? http://www.tty1.net/virtual_domains_en.html |
| 14:37.47 | Gnea | lewis: why were you compiling something that was already there in the first place? |
| 14:37.50 | SimonRaven | nah he's just blind |
| 14:38.08 | lewis | Gnea: I didn't see it there, and couldn't find any documentation on it. |
| 14:38.09 | Ronin | holy crap, just had a user complain that her email was "broke", she was trying to send a 22 MB attachment |
| 14:38.39 | lewis | I will just rename the file that I found, copy across the compiled one, and use the documentation on the owner's home page. |
| 14:39.13 | SimonRaven | Ronin: *blink* |
| 14:39.29 | abrotman | Ronin: Email is not a filesystem! |
| 14:39.54 | abrotman | lewis: what was wrong with the docs i showed you ? |
| 14:40.01 | Ronin | abrotman: no kidding, i told her to put the picutures in teh email on the network and email folks where to go if they wanted to see the damn things |
| 14:40.05 | SimonRaven | is it just me, or did the iq in here drop 20 points? |
| 14:40.07 | rootnoverify | half of the text on my screen 's blurry |
| 14:40.14 | rootnoverify | each second line |
| 14:40.23 | lingkeran | homekneet: ok. i'll try it. |
| 14:40.27 | homekneet | SimonRaven: It's OK - it'll go back up again when I log out |
| 14:40.32 | lingkeran | homekneet: thanks! |
| 14:40.49 | SimonRaven | homekneet: i wasn't referring to you ;) |
| 14:40.50 | lewis | abrotman: http://www.cohprog.com/mod_bandwidth.html is the one I am referring to. I just didn't know whether that was the documentation for the original .so I found. |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | lewis: but you didn't even try it ? |
| 14:41.09 | homekneet | SimonRaven: ;) |
| 14:41.36 | lewis | abrotman: I didn't want to risk loading a module into apache, for which I didn't find any official documentation, no. |
| 14:41.38 | abrotman | lewis: if there were to be a security update to apache-common it would probably overwrite your custom one(unless you tell dpkg otherwise) ... it'd be best to try to use the one already there |
| 14:42.03 | SimonRaven | dpkg won't even ask, it's not exactly a conffile |
| 14:42.08 | lewis | ok - I will load that one, and then use the documentation from the aforementioned site. |
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| 14:42.20 | lewis | I appreciate the advice. |
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| 14:42.34 | abrotman | SimonRaven: couldn't you use divert to have dpkg not overwrite it ? |
| 14:43.00 | SimonRaven | yes, but that's an extra step. it doesn't happen auto. |
| 14:43.13 | abrotman | i know that |
| 14:43.28 | lewis | order of LoadModules is important, in httpd.conf, isn't it? |
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| 14:43.31 | abrotman | more snow! |
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| 14:43.45 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yes dear, but some others here don't ;) |
| 14:44.15 | abrotman | more snow! |
| 14:44.26 | SimonRaven | no snow here today |
| 14:44.30 | homekneet | SimonRaven: install xsnow? |
| 14:44.34 | SimonRaven | at least not right now |
| 14:44.35 | abrotman | SimonRaven: tomorrow evening here |
| 14:44.45 | SimonRaven | nah, why bother, i get the real thing |
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| 14:46.23 | SimonRaven | Temperature: |
| 14:46.25 | SimonRaven | -16°C |
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| 14:46.41 | SimonRaven | Wind Chill: -22.1°C |
| 14:46.43 | hans0lo | Has anyone here used autodns-dhcp? I have it installed, along with bind8 and dhcpd, but my hostnames aren't being entered into bind's configuration files |
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| 14:46.47 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 14:47.33 | hans0lo | SimonRaven: are you in canada or something?? |
| 14:47.41 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 14:47.57 | Ronin | i was about to say SimonRaven sounds like the weather here today |
| 14:48.34 | SimonRaven | we live in igloos and other kinds of snow huts |
| 14:48.34 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 14:48.34 | Ronin | dont forget teh dog teams we all drive |
| 14:49.06 | SimonRaven | yeh, they're parked in the backyard chewin' on some whale blubber. it's good for their coats |
| 14:49.14 | abrotman | yeah .. but can you take back celine ? |
| 14:49.25 | Ronin | abrotman: nope you got her you can keep her |
| 14:49.26 | SimonRaven | you can keep 'er |
| 14:49.46 | hans0lo | SimonRaven: i used ot live in alaska. it was much nicer there tho. ;) |
| 14:49.59 | SimonRaven | hans0lo: hehe ;) |
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| 14:50.31 | SimonRaven | speaking of whale blubber, i need to eat |
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| 14:56.38 | TNKS | hi all. I was curious. Is anyone using xcompmgr with Etch? Are there any Debian repositories? Or is a manual install of X.org required? |
| 14:57.10 | valdyn | TNKS: fairly easy to compile it yourself |
| 14:57.39 | TNKS | valdyn, I hear you. Do you know much about support for translucency? |
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| 14:57.58 | TNKS | is it possible with the the X.org that's in the Testing distro now? |
| 14:58.13 | valdyn | TNKS: just compile xcompmgr yourself. That will work ok with etch's X |
| 14:58.17 | marcot | Does anyone knows a pdf reader that supports selecting text for copying and pasting? |
| 14:58.37 | TNKS | valdyn, cool. So is this "true" transparency or not? |
| 14:58.38 | ralf | marcot: kpdf |
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| 14:58.50 | valdyn | TNKS: true and buggy, yea |
| 14:59.21 | marcot | ralf: thanks.. |
| 14:59.27 | valdyn | TNKS: for transparency you need either transset or kde i guess |
| 14:59.36 | TNKS | valdyn, interesting. I guess that's why xcompmgr's not included in any Debian Apt repository? |
| 14:59.49 | valdyn | TNKS: ( transset additionally to xcommgr, kde supports this by itself |
| 15:00.19 | TNKS | valdyn, which KDE? The current testing one? or 3.5? |
| 15:00.28 | SimonRaven | current |
| 15:00.31 | SimonRaven | 3.4 |
| 15:00.34 | valdyn | TNKS: sid's kde, i dont know about testing |
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| 15:01.30 | TNKS | SimonRaven, I apt-file searched for transset, I didn't find anything. Did KDE rename it? |
| 15:01.36 | marcot | ralf: Do I have this in sarge? |
| 15:01.41 | valdyn | TNKS: no, transset isnt part of kde |
| 15:01.56 | SimonRaven | they have their own thing. and ^^^^ |
| 15:02.00 | TNKS | ah. |
| 15:02.01 | valdyn | TNKS: you need _either_ kde, _or_ xcompmgr + transset |
| 15:02.01 | TNKS | okay. |
| 15:02.03 | TNKS | no problem. |
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| 15:02.11 | TNKS | gotcha. |
| 15:02.33 | valdyn | TNKS: and probably an nvidia card for this to be decently quick |
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| 15:02.55 | TNKS | valdyn, I've got a Radeon 9600. |
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| 15:03.00 | Exit83 | hey |
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| 15:03.04 | Exit83 | im back :d |
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| 15:03.16 | redguy||work | yay! |
| 15:03.21 | valdyn | TNKS: no idea, try it, i just recall that fglrx does not support composite acceleration |
| 15:03.32 | FuSioN^ | TNKS u don't have the acceleration ? |
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| 15:04.10 | TNKS | valdyn, then I'm probably in no luck. I'm just using the basic X.org radeon driver. |
| 15:04.34 | FuSioN^ | TNKS i think i have the same problem than u |
| 15:04.40 | valdyn | TNKS: no idea really how if that is fast enough for you |
| 15:04.42 | rootnoverify | hm.. when I ./firefox it returns me "(firefox-bin:2960): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 15:05.05 | SimonRaven | a) stop running browsers as root |
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| 15:05.16 | rootnoverify | ok :) |
| 15:05.22 | SlayerXP | rootnoverify: gtk is warning you that it cannot open the display |
| 15:05.30 | nuskool | I'm having a problem with gmplayer, I have a skin installed correctly but when I go to run gmplayer no windows show up in x. I can see the process running with ps but can't see the program on my screen. MPlayer works fine but I do get an error about a missing font config file when I run gmplayer -v... Anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 15:05.42 | Smace | hallo |
| 15:05.44 | TNKS | valdyn, it's not that bad to compile transset and xcompmgr and see how it compares to pseudotranparency. |
| 15:05.52 | FuSioN^ | who can help me , for a message error ? |
| 15:05.56 | rootnoverify | slayerxp: I understood that, but how to fix it? 2 minutes ago it worked.. |
| 15:06.00 | Eclipser | nuskool, yeah, don't use gmplayer, it absolutely sucks :p |
| 15:06.02 | FuSioN^ | i have a problem during the ati radeon install |
| 15:06.06 | FuSioN^ | :/ |
| 15:06.07 | SimonRaven | real transparency is neat. but still a toy |
| 15:06.15 | TNKS | actually that makes me wonder, will it be a mix of true and pseudo transparency? |
| 15:06.17 | Exit83 | i want to boot from CDrom, my bsystem is able to boot from itn debian installer starts up, wants to load modules from the dive, but cant, debian isnt able to mount the CD. whats the problem?? |
| 15:06.21 | SlayerXP | rootnoverify: don't run browsers as root. or indeed anything else as root that doesn't _need_ to be run as root |
| 15:06.24 | nuskool | Eclipser: what is better? |
| 15:06.29 | valdyn | TNKS: or just enable Composite in your Xserver, enable 'translucency' in kde |
| 15:06.30 | Eclipser | just plain mplayer |
| 15:06.39 | rootnoverify | slayerxp: ok, I'll remember that one :) |
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| 15:07.07 | nuskool | Eclipser: that means I have to read a man page though, screw that crap =P |
| 15:07.08 | hawking | wow |
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| 15:07.20 | hawking | wow |
| 15:07.28 | valdyn | i think the best 'transparancy' in non-nvidia cards might be e17 |
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| 15:08.14 | jbroome | nuskool: sounds like you're looking for #ubuntu. it's over --> there |
| 15:08.25 | nuskool | valdyn: where is there transparency in e17? |
| 15:08.42 | Exit83 | i want to boot from CDrom, my bsystem is able to boot from itn debian installer starts up, wants to load modules from the dive, but cant, debian isnt able to mount the CD. what can be the problem? |
| 15:08.46 | nuskool | jbroome: hahhahahah |
| 15:09.07 | valdyn | nuskool: there isnt? i thought there was. |
| 15:09.16 | nuskool | Exit83: what kind of cd rom drive do you have? |
| 15:09.17 | nathe | Exit83: what kind of hardware? |
| 15:09.26 | nuskool | valdyn: there's some, for the pager and such |
| 15:09.34 | TNKS | valdyn, I'm not sure I'm that eager to jump to KDE right now. I'm just interested in playing around. With xcompmgr and transset, is urxvt's and xchat's transparency still psuedo? |
| 15:09.40 | nuskool | valdyn: no pseudo on eterms anymore though |
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| 15:09.58 | Exit83 | nuskool nathe: im running on a sun netra X1, the cdrom drive itself has already been used to install debian on several other (x86) systems |
| 15:10.14 | Exit83 | nuskool nathe: i used 2 different drives already though |
| 15:10.19 | nathe | yeah |
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| 15:10.25 | nathe | what error is it giving? |
| 15:10.32 | nathe | in the console |
| 15:10.41 | Exit83 | cant mount CD image, but actually, its just not finding my CDrom |
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| 15:10.56 | valdyn | TNKS: its real |
| 15:11.12 | valdyn | TNKS: doesnt matter what your app supports, transset just makes anything transparent |
| 15:11.27 | g3brown | Hi all. I trying to find out what kernel I would need for support for a motherboard with a 955X chipset. It has an Intel® ICH7R SATA controller and an 82573V Gigabit PCI-Express Ethernet (Tekoa). |
| 15:11.47 | Exit83 | nathe: i dont see a specific error message as i didnt try and mount it in the shell so far |
| 15:11.51 | abrotman | g3brown: with sarge or something else ? |
| 15:11.58 | valdyn | TNKS: in other worse, your apps 'pseudo' transparancy would still be just that, transset / xcompmgr works independent of that on a different level |
| 15:12.02 | nathe | mm. I had an issue with something like it on this old dell laptop, but it was involving DMA. just out of curiosity... if you spawn a shell after the error, can you mount the cdrom manually? |
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| 15:12.03 | Eulex | g3brown, and it doesn't work now? |
| 15:12.10 | g3brown | abrotman: yeah, sarge. |
| 15:12.15 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 15:12.15 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.14 is probably http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 15:12.16 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 15:12.17 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 15:12.24 | TNKS | valdyn, thanks for that last response. I think that's the clarification I was after. |
| 15:12.30 | abrotman | Eulex: sarge's 2.6.8 doesn't support it .. /msg dpkg sarge hardware support |
| 15:12.33 | g3brown | Eulex: no I moherboard shopping. |
| 15:12.37 | Exit83 | nathe: well i just rebooted, i got a full CD now to boot from, i'll try that first |
| 15:12.50 | Exit83 | nathe: but if i get the same problem, il ltry and mount manually |
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| 15:13.03 | valdyn | TNKS: kde will for instance make windows transparent while you move them |
| 15:13.17 | mestratusbn | #debian.de |
| 15:13.17 | Exit83 | nathe: it will take a minute or 5 though, servers tend to boot slowly :d |
| 15:13.33 | madclicker | I am installing debian systems as firewalls for adsl connections. They are all Sarge with 2.6.8 kernels. I noticed that all debian systens have errors on pppoe connections: "10:09:49.077362 PPPoE [ses 0x1dd0] [length 14 (62 extra bytes)] IP truncated-ip - 194 bytes missing!" or "10:09:45.602970 PPPoE [ses 0x1dd0] IP truncated-ip - 256 bytes missing!" I have redhat and Mandrake units and none give these error. Can some one help? |
| 15:13.36 | TNKS | valdyn, I'm sure KDE has tons of features, but I think I'm way too addicted to Ion3 right now. |
| 15:13.40 | Eulex | abrotman, true. my sata hdd didn't work with 2.6.8. however, it worked well with 2.6.11. |
| 15:13.53 | abrotman | Eulex: right .. that's what i said :) |
| 15:14.15 | mestratusbn | #debian.de |
| 15:14.19 | Exit83 | nathe: debian installer is running now |
| 15:14.23 | valdyn | TNKS: oh i didnt mean to recommend you kde, its just that kde is the only environment where you can have real transparency with a purpose. Transset works more like: run it, click window to be transparent. |
| 15:14.37 | Exit83 | nathe: which clearly shows the Sun itself supports the CD orm |
| 15:14.38 | Exit83 | bbrb |
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| 15:14.50 | TNKS | valdyn, really? It's that manual? I can't be remote-driven? |
| 15:15.17 | valdyn | TNKS: well, your window manager should control transparency, but like no wm does |
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| 15:15.33 | valdyn | TNKS: i mean, your WM should do the 'remote controling' |
| 15:15.33 | nathe | Exit83: it's not that, I was just curious weither you coudld mount it and traverse the file system |
| 15:15.49 | TNKS | valdyn, right. I was just going to toy with the notion of scripting it in myself. |
| 15:15.55 | TNKS | on the programs startup. |
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| 15:16.06 | valdyn | TNKS: i see |
| 15:19.54 | Exit83 | nathe: back, i burned the patatoes :( never cook and do linux stuff at the same time :( |
| 15:20.40 | Exit83 | nathe: wooot, oi usd a testing CDrom, which finds the CD rom |
| 15:20.40 | hentt | apt-get install ktimer |
| 15:20.49 | hawking | ktimer! |
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| 15:20.53 | Exit83 | lol |
| 15:21.07 | Exit83 | hentt: ill remember that one :d |
| 15:21.15 | hentt | hehe :) |
| 15:21.22 | Exit83 | wow |
| 15:21.27 | Exit83 | and dhcp works also now |
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| 15:23.48 | Nara | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.55 | Nara | it does run late 8 hours than the system date |
| 15:24.03 | Nara | any idea |
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| 15:24.23 | Exit83 | For a server who will not act as a file server, should make seperate partitiosn for / /home /var or just put it all in one? |
| 15:24.35 | Exit83 | oh, it will act as webserver |
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| 15:24.57 | sifi | Nara, then there is different times |
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| 15:25.10 | Nara | sifi: how |
| 15:25.23 | weissi | Exit83: I like, /boot, swap, /, /home, /usr, /var and it's a webserver additionally: /var/www |
| 15:25.24 | Nara | my date time is the same as hwclock time |
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| 15:25.44 | sifi | Nara, ah |
| 15:25.49 | Exit83 | weissi: seeing as grub sets itself in mbr, i never use a /boot though |
| 15:25.56 | Nara | but cron doesn't run on the time I put in crontab |
| 15:25.57 | sifi | Nara, that was my first thought |
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| 15:26.19 | weissi | Exit83: that's just fine, I just like it *g* |
| 15:26.26 | Nara | for example some script should run on 00:00 |
| 15:26.33 | Nara | it runs on 08:00 |
| 15:26.35 | Nara | !! |
| 15:26.35 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 15:26.37 | sifi | Nara, it has maybe to do with the timezones? |
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| 15:26.49 | eps | is firefox 1.5 in the works for debian sid? |
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| 15:27.00 | REyM | I am trying to remove bluefish with "apt-get remove bluefish" but it errors with: Removing bluefish ... |
| 15:27.00 | REyM | dpkg: error processing bluefish (--remove): |
| 15:27.00 | REyM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.02 | Nara | yes I changed the time zone |
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| 15:27.15 | REyM | anyone know how to solve this? |
| 15:27.26 | weissi | REyM: what?? what does `free` say ? |
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| 15:27.43 | Nara | and I am using rdate to update my server system/hardware time |
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| 15:27.59 | Nara | and the system/hardware time is correct |
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| 15:28.03 | sifi | Nara, Then I'm clueless |
| 15:28.04 | REyM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.04 | REyM | Mem: 1556072 1111808 444264 0 248300 396896 |
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| 15:28.23 | g3brown | abrotman: what about the 875P chipset with Marvell SATA controller and 82541 Gigabit. Do you think 2.6.8 would support that? |
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| 15:28.33 | abrotman | g3brown: not sure |
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| 15:28.38 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 15:28.38 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 15:28.40 | weissi | REyM: looks just fine... |
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| 15:28.47 | abrotman | g3brown: you'd need to find out if kernel 2.6.8 supported it |
| 15:29.10 | REyM | weissi, any ideas? |
| 15:29.19 | weissi | REyM: no, not really |
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| 15:29.23 | abrotman | g3brown: the guy that used to know all the hardware support left the channel .. never to return! |
| 15:29.40 | weissi | REyM: disk space is ok, too I suppose. |
| 15:29.45 | g3brown | abrotman: yeah, there use to be page that listed hardware, but I'll be damn if I can find it now. |
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| 15:30.12 | weissi | REyM: this message normally means that RAM is full, but in your case?!? |
| 15:30.16 | Exit83 | google: search <hardware> debian support |
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| 15:30.36 | asuffield | who wrote that factoid? sarge doesn't support amd64 *at all*, why does it say that? |
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| 15:30.49 | REyM | weissi, oops, that was the wrong pc |
| 15:30.52 | brox | what qt version do you use under debian? |
| 15:30.55 | REyM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.55 | REyM | Mem: 125316 105688 19628 0 1864 21052 |
| 15:30.56 | abrotman | asuffield: sure it does .. in 32bit |
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| 15:31.05 | valdyn | asuffield: uh? |
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| 15:31.30 | brox | could it be that i get ./j2eesdk-1_4_02_2005Q2-linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ---- because i dont have qt installed? |
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| 15:31.50 | valdyn | asuffield: you mean the instruction set, the factoid means the cpu.. |
| 15:32.00 | asuffield | valdyn: duh, why would it support one and not the other? |
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| 15:32.13 | abrotman | it means scaling on athlon64 cpus |
| 15:32.25 | weissi | REyM: 21+19M should be enough, too |
| 15:32.27 | valdyn | asuffield: athlon64 supports i386 instruction set and amd64 instruction set |
| 15:32.29 | asuffield | "oh, these kernels don't have support for these cpus... but maybe they support them anyway!" |
| 15:32.37 | Exit83 | aaah fuck!!!!!!! |
| 15:32.41 | Exit83 | i forgot to make a swap |
| 15:32.42 | weissi | reym: to be sure, install a swap |
| 15:32.49 | nathe | grr |
| 15:32.51 | weissi | reym: *g* |
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| 15:32.59 | abrotman | asuffield: the factoid says it doesn't support frequency scaling on athlon64 |
| 15:33.16 | nathe | i'm not finding any good fixes for ff 1.0.7 stablity issues after upgrade |
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| 15:33.28 | henk | hmm my /etc/hosts file does not overrule the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf. .. i forgot which file to edit to fix that.. anyone ? |
| 15:33.37 | REyM | weissi, so this has only to do with the memory |
| 15:33.39 | REyM | ? |
| 15:33.45 | asuffield | abrotman: and it's daft to expect it to |
| 15:33.45 | g3brown | I getting the idea that Debian needs 4 year old hardware to run. You can't buy 4 year old hardware. Help. |
| 15:33.56 | sifi | eps, DoS attack risk for Firefox 1.5 users |
| 15:34.06 | abrotman | g3brown: not at all .. |
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| 15:34.13 | Exit83 | g3brown: im using 10 year old hardware and i need a testing installer to get my stuff to work |
| 15:34.15 | abrotman | g3brown: what kind of machine are you looking for ? |
| 15:34.16 | ralf | growisofs burns in DAO or TAO mode? |
| 15:34.24 | valdyn | !find powernow-k8.ko sarge |
| 15:34.28 | abrotman | asuffield: well .. it's just stating it .. |
| 15:34.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'powernow-k8.ko' (3 of 8): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686. |
| 15:34.38 | g3brown | Exit85: ha. |
| 15:34.39 | stew | Exit83: what hardware makes you need a testing installer? |
| 15:34.43 | asuffield | g3brown: uhh, it doesn't, you can anyway, and unless you were building a gaming box (you're installing linux on that *why*?) it supports all the hardware you're likely to encounter |
| 15:34.43 | valdyn | well, that factoid is wrong anyway |
| 15:34.50 | TNKS | Okay, so I'm tried of thinking about real transparency. I'll just wait it out. |
| 15:34.53 | Exit83 | stew: sun netra X1 with personal issues |
| 15:34.54 | g3brown | abrotman: I want to build a file server. |
| 15:34.56 | eps | thanks sifi ...mmm though atm firefox is unusable (aka gnome/ffox memory leak) |
| 15:35.07 | TNKS | Are there any tips to making psuedo transparency render fast? |
| 15:35.07 | weissi | reym: if fork() fails with "could not allocate memory" that is out of ram |
| 15:35.08 | abrotman | g3brown: jeez .. what kind of fileserver are you building? |
| 15:35.12 | danathan | i'm having terrible trouble with openntp -- the adjtime calls seem to failing, although they're not marked as failing (the clock drifts farther and farther out of sync). i'm on an amd64 system running etch. |
| 15:35.15 | TNKS | I'm using hsetroot. |
| 15:35.18 | valdyn | its just certain mainboards that won't do freq scaling with athlon64 and sarge |
| 15:35.21 | brox | why am i not getting responses? |
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| 15:35.22 | mosty | g3brown, what hardware are you having trouble with? |
| 15:35.27 | abrotman | g3brown: you want an althon64 and SATA support ? |
| 15:35.29 | nathe | eps: what what? I'm on KDE and i'm having FF segfault on certian sites ( 1.0.7...) |
| 15:35.31 | TNKS | does the file format of my background make a difference? |
| 15:35.33 | g3brown | abrotman: file/smb/ftp/web for small office. Replacing Redhat 9. |
| 15:35.35 | REyM | weissi, k, thanks |
| 15:35.42 | stew | i wonder what "personal problems" a netra might have |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | g3brown: how small is small .. will it also act as PDC ? |
| 15:36.01 | asuffield | and since you're unlikely to have an amd64 laptop, why would you want frequency scaling on them in the first place? |
| 15:36.04 | g3brown | abrotman: I has to have 4 SATA drives and gigabit ethernet, other than that I don't care. |
| 15:36.07 | Exit83 | stew: not working like it should work according to many manuals :d |
| 15:36.08 | Nara | sifi: thanks, I think restarting crond solved the problem, strange! |
| 15:36.14 | abrotman | g3brown: 4 sata in RAID5 ? |
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| 15:36.18 | Exit83 | stew: gentoo howto worked fine, but i dont want gentoo |
| 15:36.30 | Exit83 | stew and with debian sarge i got kernel panics all the time |
| 15:36.41 | g3brown | abrotman: no just 4 sata no raid. |
| 15:36.41 | stew | Exit83: have you tested the memory? |
| 15:36.45 | Exit83 | stew: which in my book says: uh oh |
| 15:36.57 | stew | g3brown: sarge supports many sata chipsets |
| 15:36.57 | thingfish | brox: if you don't get an answer, it means normally that no one has any suggestions, or you haven't maybe supplied enough info, etc. |
| 15:36.59 | mosty | g3brown, sarge has no problems with sata and gigabit ethernet |
| 15:37.02 | eps | nathe firefox 1.07 has a bad memory leak problem with gnome...1.5 should fix it |
| 15:37.03 | g3brown | abrotman: no PDC, just WINS. |
| 15:37.12 | asuffield | but do yourself a favour and make sure the ethernet card is an intel e1k |
| 15:37.18 | abrotman | g3brown: well ... you can easily get a sata controller with 4 ports .. i use a PII300 for a fileserver here with SATA |
| 15:37.19 | Exit83 | stew: no, but seeing only the debian sarge build got probs, i dont thinks its a memory problem |
| 15:37.24 | asuffield | and not a broadcom or realtek of any description |
| 15:37.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: yo! tried opencubicplayer now? tomorrow you can also try mazeofgalious |
| 15:37.38 | sifi | Nara, ah, problems solved then =) |
| 15:37.43 | stew | Exit83: have you tried sarge with a newer kernel? checked the bts? |
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| 15:37.52 | brox | thingfish> ok sounds fine - but everything is good again :)) |
| 15:37.55 | tarzeau | !fear |
| 15:37.55 | dpkg | Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. |
| 15:38.03 | thingfish | brox: excellent. |
| 15:38.05 | abrotman | g3brown: the SIL controllers aren't fantastic .. but if you're not doing RAID .. and not mixing with Seagate drive(google for sil sata blacklist) .. should be fine |
| 15:38.07 | Exit83 | Exit83: you cant choose to use a 2.6 kernel like in x86 systems |
| 15:38.09 | g3brown | abrotman: this is the board I was looking at: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/P4/875/P4SCT+II.cfm |
| 15:38.11 | tarzeau | dpkg fear is also http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200308/Gamatex-1060248783.jpg |
| 15:38.11 | nathe | eps: mmm I'm using GDM, but with KDE, and it's not doing it on everything, only on certian sites... any ideas? |
| 15:38.11 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 15:38.18 | Exit83 | stew: you cant choose to use a 2.6 kernel like in x86 systems |
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| 15:38.24 | nathe | eps: i've dumped the old profiles, etc |
| 15:38.26 | weissi | exit83: try www.memtest86.com/ |
| 15:38.46 | abrotman | g3brown: wee bit of overkill don't you think? .. how many users ? |
| 15:38.47 | Exit83 | weissi: if it runs on an ultrasparc architecture, i will |
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| 15:39.15 | valdyn | nathe: is that flash sites by incident? |
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| 15:39.21 | nathe | possible |
| 15:39.24 | g3brown | abrotman: most of the time 2. |
| 15:39.25 | eps | nathe mmm I don't have any ideas, it is a known problem though it is all ment to be fixed (according to some of the devs) in 1.5 which is why I want it asap...got a lan this weekend and I need my apps working ;P (I get enough rubbish for running linux, let a lone linux with broken apps) |
| 15:39.38 | valdyn | possie: you want to remove the free flash plugin if you have it installed |
| 15:39.42 | valdyn | possie: ops |
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| 15:39.45 | abrotman | g3brown: are you kidding me? .. and you're going to give them that ? |
| 15:39.47 | valdyn | nathe: you want to remove the free flash plugin if you have it installed |
| 15:39.54 | brox | what would be a good combination (for example apache, servlet, jsp) for displaying files on a webpage in a tree and editing them? |
| 15:39.55 | abrotman | g3brown: do they have money fallling out of thier pockets ? |
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| 15:40.01 | g3brown | abrotman: it's for me. |
| 15:40.08 | stew | g3brown: the gigabit on that board is definately supported. just google to see if that sata is supported |
| 15:40.09 | eps | valdyn I have the macromedia flash plugin installed - are you refering to that? |
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| 15:40.19 | valdyn | eps: no, referring to the free one |
| 15:40.19 | abrotman | g3brown: heavy usage .. or just moderate ? |
| 15:40.29 | eps | kk valdyn |
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| 15:40.49 | g3brown | abrotman: very heavy. |
| 15:40.55 | Exit83 | weissi stew: the importantthing is, it works with a testing version :d |
| 15:40.58 | nathe | valdyn: will reinstall fix, or will I have to sit with that annoying "you need this plugin" |
| 15:41.00 | abrotman | g3brown: but no raid .. hrm |
| 15:41.16 | valdyn | nathe: are you using the free plugin? |
| 15:41.18 | asuffield | ah, that network chip sounds like an e1k, lucky choice |
| 15:41.18 | g3brown | abrotman: raid is too slow for me. |
| 15:41.26 | nathe | not sure |
| 15:41.28 | nathe | looking now |
| 15:41.29 | valdyn | nathe: there's always the non-free one by macromedia |
| 15:41.36 | abrotman | g3brown: what?! .. you haven't been infected with the "RAID0 everywhere" illness? :) |
| 15:41.41 | asuffield | that crashes too. your life will be much happier without any flash in it |
| 15:41.49 | stew | asuffield: do you know what the difference between the different e1k versions is? like the MT vs. the non mt? |
| 15:41.53 | valdyn | nathe: libflash-mozplugin |
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| 15:42.05 | asuffield | stew: enterprise-level management features, mostly |
| 15:42.15 | asuffield | stew: I don't recall the specific model variations |
| 15:42.20 | g3brown | abrotman: I don't know what it is, so I might have it. |
| 15:42.24 | abrotman | g3brown: TBH .. i'd find a board you like .. and get a damn good SATA controller that is supported by linux .. |
| 15:42.24 | asuffield | stew: but it's nothing you're ever likely to have any use for |
| 15:42.27 | abrotman | !raid0 |
| 15:42.27 | dpkg | methinks raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. |
| 15:42.31 | stew | asuffield: that's what i figured |
| 15:42.54 | Exit83 | abrotman: so true, raid0 is like, stupid |
| 15:43.14 | nathe | valdyn: which is the free? |
| 15:43.23 | asuffield | stew: basically, they have an application which can remotely run diagnostics and monitor usage and shit (and some of it involves SNMP stuff). useless unless you're running a support desk with hundreds of seats |
| 15:43.30 | weissi | Exit83, so try the linux-2.6 kernel |
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| 15:43.34 | valdyn | nathe: libflash-mozplugin - GPL Flash (SWF) Library - Mozilla-compatible plugin |
| 15:43.38 | stew | asuffield: right |
| 15:43.39 | abrotman | g3brown: i'm not sure about the marvell chipsets .. but many in here like 3ware and adaptec controllers .. you could get a PCI{-X} controller as an addon |
| 15:43.47 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 15:43.47 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 15:44.11 | asuffield | I think all the e1k models have wake-on-lan and PXE as standard features now, so there's no *important* differences any more |
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| 15:44.25 | asuffield | (the e100 models didn't have those on every board) |
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| 15:44.36 | Exit83 | weissi: i couldnt find a sarge package with linux26, its not like on normal desktops you can choose to do linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 15:44.43 | nathe | nm figured it out |
| 15:44.46 | abrotman | g3brown: i use a PII-300 with SATA drives .. servers 10 people or so .. decent usage levels .. it's perfectly fine |
| 15:44.46 | nathe | err |
| 15:44.47 | nathe | thanks |
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| 15:45.20 | weissi | Exit83: let me have a look... |
| 15:45.34 | abrotman | g3brown: but not a raid config either |
| 15:45.38 | Nara | have to run, bye cool guys :) |
| 15:45.40 | asuffield | adaptec make shitty everything unless it's scsi |
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| 15:45.47 | nathe | hmm looks like it wasn't installed via flash. |
| 15:45.54 | asuffield | and, sadly, their recent scsi controllers have been poor |
| 15:45.56 | dbron | g3brown: I used Tom's recently and chose and adaptec SATA controller. Not all Adaptec's were good choices though |
| 15:46.03 | pedro | I am having problems trying to scan image |
| 15:46.07 | pedro | any help? |
| 15:46.26 | abrotman | g3brown: i hope i didn't confuse you |
| 15:46.28 | pedro | Hardware: HP PSC 1315 All-in-one |
| 15:46.30 | asuffield | marvell sata is tolerable, unimpressive. silicon image is tolerable and nasty |
| 15:46.40 | abrotman | dbron: 2410SA! |
| 15:46.41 | pedro | Distro: Musix, based on Debian |
| 15:46.58 | pedro | Problem: no SANE devices found |
| 15:47.03 | asuffield | the only really *good* sata controllers right now are the intel ones, but those are only available in motherboard chipsets, not on PCI boards |
| 15:47.04 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 15:47.04 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 15:47.08 | abrotman | asuffield: sil is ok .. for small installs .. but yeah .. it's like the winmodem of SATA controllers :) |
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| 15:47.21 | weissi | Exit83: fuck, you're right, they do not exist for sparc (on i386 they are available) |
| 15:47.24 | g3brown | abrotman: I a little confused. |
| 15:47.33 | abrotman | g3brown: what would you like clarified ? |
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| 15:47.42 | abrotman | asuffield: adaptec and 3ware make decent controllers |
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| 15:48.00 | asuffield | abrotman: adaptec make decent *scsi* controllers. they also have a large range of shitty ide ones :P |
| 15:48.07 | g3brown | abrotman: I don't know what tbh means. heh |
| 15:48.13 | abrotman | asuffield: the SATA controllers are fine |
| 15:48.16 | asuffield | 3ware... well, they're okay, nothing special. often overpriced though |
| 15:48.17 | abrotman | g3brown: To Be Honest |
| 15:48.24 | pedro | so that means there is no answer... |
| 15:48.38 | asuffield | last time I looked 3ware didn't have an SATA 2 controller though |
| 15:48.45 | asuffield | which put them a fair ways behind the game |
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| 15:49.05 | Lilldude10 | any one also got snowed in last knight |
| 15:49.07 | gypsymauro | Hi, I've installed debian base system with deboostrap, I can chroot into it but I dunno how to mount for example a CDROM I've not ide devices under /dev |
| 15:49.10 | thingfish | pedro: try asking in #musix |
| 15:49.14 | Lilldude10 | some one send me a shovel |
| 15:49.23 | abrotman | asuffield: it's right on the front page |
| 15:49.25 | g3brown | abrotman: Well it looks like that board's sata is support by 2.6.8. So I just need to find out if the ethernet is. |
| 15:49.25 | pedro | There is no channel i think |
| 15:49.26 | asuffield | oh, they finally brought one out |
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| 15:49.38 | asuffield | abrotman: it wasn't on the market last month :P |
| 15:49.39 | abrotman | g3brown: which is the ethernet ? |
| 15:49.45 | abrotman | asuffield: you're slow :) |
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| 15:49.54 | g3brown | abrotman: I found a link on the net that should support for the 875 chipset back in 2.4.20. |
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| 15:50.01 | abrotman | g3brown: ah ok |
| 15:50.23 | g3brown | abrotman: that one has 2: 1 x Intel® 82547GI CSA, 1 x Intel® 82541 Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 15:50.23 | pedro | I am sure distro run as debian |
| 15:50.29 | dbron | abrotman: SATA RAID: Adaptec 4-Channels 2410SA Serial ATA, |
| 15:50.30 | pedro | so the answer must be the same |
| 15:50.33 | thingfish | pedro: that's unfortunate, because the only support ever done in #debian is for Debian. |
| 15:50.33 | dbron | abrotman: that was it |
| 15:50.42 | abrotman | dbron: nice controllers IMO |
| 15:50.52 | pedro | well |
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| 15:50.56 | abrotman | wtf is CSA ? |
| 15:51.02 | pedro | thanks very much |
| 15:51.04 | dbron | abrotman: I have been happy with it - it is a Samba dc/File server |
| 15:51.10 | abrotman | g3brown: google "82541 debian driver" |
| 15:51.20 | thingfish | pedro: not necessarily true at all. That's like saying a red hat answer would apply to a suse box. |
| 15:51.34 | dbron | abrotman: it was more than I usually spend though, about $270US |
| 15:51.41 | asuffield | g3brown: it'll be an e1k, they're all more or less the same anyway |
| 15:51.42 | thingfish | pedro: install Debian, and you can get all kinds of help. |
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| 15:51.43 | abrotman | g3brown: though i'd suspect the e1000 driver covers it |
| 15:51.47 | pedro | It is not the same |
| 15:51.57 | asuffield | they just keep adding new PCI IDs to the driver table, is all |
| 15:52.00 | g3brown | abrotman: Added 82541 & 82547 support on 2.4.21-pre7 |
| 15:52.07 | pedro | Musix has in sources.list Debian source |
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| 15:52.13 | lepreia | qual é um bom programa para gerar as acls do squid??? |
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| 15:52.20 | Ronin | !fr |
| 15:52.21 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:52.35 | Gnea | !br |
| 15:52.35 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:52.36 | pedro | Musix is only a distro that come configure and with a package of musical software |
| 15:52.40 | thingfish | pedro: it's still not Debian, and therefore it's likely that Debian answers will not work for you. |
| 15:52.41 | pedro | but is debian |
| 15:52.43 | Ronin | that was br? humm |
| 15:52.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:52.45 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:52.46 | g3brown | abrotman: sounds like I can use it then. I would have loved the 955X with a dual core though. |
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| 15:52.55 | pedro | ok, don't worry |
| 15:53.04 | resiak | pedro: apt-cache search scanner; i think there's an HP scanner driver in a package somewhere |
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| 15:53.06 | pedro | I am going to "google" |
| 15:53.08 | thingfish | pedro: if it were Debian, you wouldn't be calling it Musix. |
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| 15:53.14 | brox | this is weird |
| 15:53.30 | pedro | thanks very much |
| 15:53.32 | pedro | see you |
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| 15:53.43 | Gnea | pedro: it's "cya" |
| 15:53.43 | weissi | . |
| 15:53.52 | brox | suddenly emacs didnt start because of a segmention fault (always) and then i just reinstalled it and it works fine |
| 15:53.53 | thingfish | pedro: good luck. Like I said, install Debian, and you'll get all kinds of help. |
| 15:54.04 | pedro | ok |
| 15:54.09 | pedro | thank you |
| 15:54.29 | thingfish | pedro: plus, Debian is so good, you might not even *need* help. :) |
| 15:54.29 | Ronin | ahh thats why i dont see pedros part |
| 15:54.37 | Gnea | pedro: or "see ya" *NOT* "see you" that is improper english slang. |
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| 15:54.57 | resiak | Gnea: I use "see you". I'm English. |
| 15:55.13 | pedro | Gnea:? |
| 15:55.14 | Gnea | resiak: well it sounds like horse turds |
| 15:55.18 | resiak | Gnea: Great. |
| 15:55.25 | Ronin | i was going to say see you is more proper :) |
| 15:55.26 | thingfish | "See you" seems perfectly fine to me, too. |
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| 15:55.41 | Gnea | but when it's said it sounds dumb |
| 15:55.45 | thingfish | A tad formal, perhaps. |
| 15:56.08 | SimonRaven | hoarse turds? |
| 15:56.09 | Ronin | sound dumb? see you later not really but to each thier own |
| 15:56.17 | Gnea | no no |
| 15:56.26 | Gnea | "see you later" is not "see you" |
| 15:56.27 | |krusty| | help! i've just installed sarge, and did a manual package installation. after installing the x-window-system (unstable, ie. xorg ++), my xterm ++ only show a black content. i guess somethings just screwed the color def. setup. anyone? |
| 15:56.31 | abrotman | g3brown: i mean .. you can try the unofficial sarge installers with newer kernels |
| 15:56.39 | Gnea | "see you later" is "see ya" aka "cya" |
| 15:56.40 | EternalWish | ;;p |
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| 15:56.54 | Ronin | ahh the little light above my head just went on |
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| 15:57.20 | Gnea | "see you" is "i see you" |
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| 15:58.47 | Eulex | |krusty|, you're running xorg from unstable on sarge? well, expect breakage. |
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| 15:59.35 | |krusty| | Eulex: yes. oh.. i just wanted xorg instead of xfree86.. using the netinstaller |
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| 16:00.24 | |krusty| | Eulex: x works fine. but all apps using "text mode" (ie, emacs, xterm etc ) are all black |
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| 16:02.18 | Eulex | |krusty|, well, you could check the bts for the packages you installed from unstable. btw, to get xorg on stable: |
| 16:02.20 | Eulex | !xorg sarge |
| 16:02.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
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| 16:02.44 | ScottMac2 | i have a newbie question i need help with :) |
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| 16:02.54 | ScottMac2 | how do i block imap from a remote host? |
| 16:02.58 | ScottMac2 | i'm using dovecot |
| 16:03.12 | ScottMac2 | ideally i'd only like to have dovecot allow connections from localhost for imap |
| 16:03.23 | Gnea | iptables will do it |
| 16:03.25 | Guerin | ScottMac2: configure it to listen on 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:03.28 | vincent` | modify your imap server to only listen localhost ? |
| 16:03.42 | ScottMac2 | ah ok, only listen on the loopback interface? |
| 16:03.44 | ScottMac2 | good plan! |
| 16:03.49 | Guerin | sort of defies the point of having an imap server, though |
| 16:03.58 | gypsymauro | suppose I've the same packages on a cdrom an on a http repository, apt which one chooses before? it's important the order? |
| 16:04.11 | |krusty| | Eulex: ok. i'll convert to stable then. thanks for telling me. |
| 16:04.23 | Guerin | gypsymauro: it chooses first by version, then by order |
| 16:04.31 | ScottMac2 | Guerin: i'll be using webmail |
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| 16:04.37 | Guerin | gypsymauro: presuming you don't have any apt_preferences defined |
| 16:04.43 | Guerin | ScottMac2: ah, of course. |
| 16:04.44 | ScottMac2 | or tunneling through ssh |
| 16:05.07 | Eulex | |krusty|, good :) |
| 16:05.11 | gypsymauro | Guerin: I've the same version:) just an original CD and other packages from mirror via web, just hoping it will take from CD before from web |
| 16:05.46 | Guerin | gypsymauro: put the cd above the web in sources.list, or read man apt_preferences |
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| 16:06.08 | gypsymauro | tanx |
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| 16:07.25 | nuskool | for php, can I apt-get php5 and have everything I need to start developement? (i.e. apache server and php modules?) |
| 16:07.57 | meff | has there been some kinda firefox transition? mozilla-firefox still is 1.0.7 |
| 16:08.02 | Eulex | |krusty|, there is no support for unstable. the only thing you can do is check for bugs and file bugs at the bts, and try to work around it. you could check the docs of xterm and try to override the default colors for text in this situation. |
| 16:08.02 | gypsymauro | Guerin: tanx |
| 16:08.06 | vincent` | nuskool: yep |
| 16:08.07 | Eulex | meff, not yet |
| 16:08.19 | azeem | meff: which version of Debian are you running |
| 16:08.19 | azeem | ? |
| 16:08.29 | meff | azeem: sid... i just noticed a pkg called 'firefox |
| 16:08.44 | azeem | right |
| 16:09.00 | vincent` | nuskool: apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5 |
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| 16:09.32 | hawking | how can i get dtk? |
| 16:09.35 | hawking | gtk* |
| 16:09.44 | Eulex | meff, ah, that's right. hadn't seen it myself. beware of breakage though if you attempt to install it, as transitions almost always comes with breakage. |
| 16:10.09 | azeem | hawking: why do you need it? |
| 16:10.20 | Eulex | hawking, apt-get it... |
| 16:11.00 | hawking | azeem : trying to compile nmap from source and it says I have no gtk |
| 16:11.11 | azeem | hawking: apt-get build-dep nmap |
| 16:11.21 | Guerin | since when did nmap need gtk? |
| 16:11.25 | meff | azeem: so is 'firefox' replacing 'mozilla-firefox' it seems? |
| 16:11.30 | vincent` | Guerin: yeah seriously |
| 16:11.36 | Laibsch | Anybody have an idea why "LC_CTYPE=en_US.tuf8 aptitude" works fine and "LC_CTYPE=de_DE.utf8 aptitude" displays strange characters where the boxes should be displayed -> http://home.arcor.de/leggewie/ncurses.png. locale -a shows both locales |
| 16:11.38 | azeem | meff: yeah, I think so |
| 16:11.38 | tarzeau | meff: no no. dillo replaces mozilla-firefox! |
| 16:11.42 | hawking | azeem : what does that do? |
| 16:11.47 | meff | lol tarzeau |
| 16:11.54 | azeem | hawking: it installs the packages needed to build nmap |
| 16:12.07 | azeem | Package: nmapfe |
| 16:12.09 | azeem | Description: The Network Mapper Front End |
| 16:12.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: ever tried ice-skating when drunk? |
| 16:12.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: i hate the cold |
| 16:13.05 | Exit83 | hey, im having a problem: i now have theoption to choose between linux-image-sparc64 en kernel-image-sparc64 |
| 16:13.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can wear warm thermo slips |
| 16:13.39 | tarzeau | Exit83: in silo? |
| 16:13.44 | vincent` | Exit83: kernel-image was a naming convention, at some 2.6 release they switched to linux-image |
| 16:13.45 | tarzeau | Exit83: linux is newer |
| 16:13.49 | hawking | now testify! |
| 16:13.52 | Guerin | Hacker: suggest you hack your face with an axe |
| 16:14.05 | Exit83 | tarzeau vincent`: okay, thx for the quick reply :d |
| 16:14.08 | Guerin | !ops please hack Hacker |
| 16:14.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please hack Hacker |
| 16:14.21 | LoRez | hacked :) |
| 16:14.26 | Guerin | LoRez: nice. |
| 16:14.34 | tarzeau | Guerin: reminds me of: http://yamara.com/junk/xl970512.html |
| 16:14.46 | Laibsch | !java |
| 16:14.46 | dpkg | [java] Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 16:14.53 | Laibsch | !utf8 |
| 16:14.53 | dpkg | from memory, utf8 is how the Perl people spell UTF-8. See also <UTF-8>. |
| 16:15.09 | Laibsch | !UTF-8 |
| 16:15.09 | dpkg | utf-8 is, like, Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man ... |
| 16:15.11 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh |
| 16:15.18 | Laibsch | !java install |
| 16:15.32 | g3brown | abrotman: you mention sil sata. You speaking of silicon? I was actually going to use seagate SATA drives. |
| 16:15.49 | vincent` | sil_sata is a chipset |
| 16:16.30 | g3brown | vincent: yeah, like in silicon image or whatever the company name is. |
| 16:16.35 | vincent` | yep |
| 16:16.47 | vincent` | i've had trouble with seagate drives |
| 16:16.50 | Buddha| | meff - where are you seeing that 'firefox' package? |
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| 16:17.03 | g3brown | vincent: do you have sil or you just had trouble in general? |
| 16:17.04 | vincent` | g3brown: i would recommend wd drives |
| 16:17.13 | vincent` | yeah one of my opteron machines has sil |
| 16:17.29 | vincent` | serious issues with maxtor/segate on 2.6.12 |
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| 16:17.43 | vincent` | really poor transfer rates |
| 16:17.54 | g3brown | vincent: serious issues with maxtor/seagate in general or when used with sil chips? |
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| 16:18.26 | vincent` | let me check the chipset on the machine |
| 16:18.36 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer vincent` |
| 16:18.38 | dpkg | 'vincent`' is 14.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 16:19.04 | vincent` | lol |
| 16:19.07 | tarzeau | vincent`: bquote> |
| 16:19.27 | tarzeau | vincent`: at least add anotehr ` |
| 16:19.30 | vincent` | g3brown no this machine had older intel |
| 16:19.35 | tarzeau | like `vi`ncent |
| 16:19.40 | azeem | tarzeau: why? |
| 16:19.40 | vincent` | lol |
| 16:20.02 | tarzeau | azeem: it just looks incomplete, i'm just kidding |
| 16:20.23 | g3brown | silvinho: you have had troubles with seagate and intel chipset then? |
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| 16:20.29 | tarzeau | azeem: don't worry, i'll be gone in an hour |
| 16:20.58 | silvinho | g3brown: most recently, i also recall not having fun with seagate and sil but can't find that machine at the moment |
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| 16:21.27 | silvinho | http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 16:21.32 | silvinho | is great |
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| 16:21.45 | |krusty| | Eulex: i've gone back to stable. reinstalled X. and same problem occur: xterm is all black. same on twm, ion and blackbox. |
| 16:22.08 | hawking | I only want the root to use nmap in my comp how can i do that? |
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| 16:22.15 | Exit83 | initrd-tools failed to install, look in syslog. i looke and foud this: main-menu[15066]: DEBUG: Menu item 'di-utils-shell' selected and next: main-menu[15066]: DEBUG: configure di-utils-shell, status: 2 |
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| 16:22.26 | silvinho | hawking: set the permissions to 700 for the binary |
| 16:22.34 | silvinho | i mean, pretty much only root can use nmap to begin with |
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| 16:23.53 | hawking | silvinho : with binary you mean /usr/bin/nmap right? |
| 16:24.09 | stew | hawking: are you using it to nmap things other than localhost? |
| 16:24.20 | korozion | rkhunter is not in apt? |
| 16:24.21 | silvinho | yep |
| 16:24.27 | tarzeau | korozion: it is |
| 16:24.32 | bnoji | I'm looking for a good imap solution for a small number of users. |
| 16:24.40 | korozion | tarzeau I can't find it in sarge |
| 16:24.45 | tarzeau | korozion: it's not in sarge |
| 16:24.49 | korozion | ahh |
| 16:24.55 | korozion | how can I fix this? |
| 16:24.55 | tarzeau | korozion: but sid has it |
| 16:24.57 | stew | korozion: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:25.01 | Exit83 | during debian base install i get: initrd-tools failed to install, look in syslog. i looked and found this as the last 2 lines: main-menu[15066]: DEBUG: Menu item 'di-utils-shell' selected and next: main-menu[15066]: DEBUG: configure di-utils-shell, status: 2 |
| 16:25.02 | bnoji | We have 10-15 users that are on the road a lot, or work from multiple locations and our provider only offers pop3 |
| 16:25.03 | korozion | cool, thanks |
| 16:25.29 | tarzeau | bnoji: ssh tunnel? |
| 16:25.31 | bnoji | I'd like to bring the email hosting in-house and use imap |
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| 16:25.43 | tarzeau | bnoji: ah you don't have imap at all, right now |
| 16:25.50 | korozion | Where can I find more on sid? |
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| 16:25.54 | silvinho | bnoji: i would run courier |
| 16:26.04 | bnoji | tarzeau: right. i want to outsource DNS, host email and web in house |
| 16:26.07 | Tenkawa | Anyone running a system that boots from LVM? |
| 16:26.28 | Tenkawa | I rebuilt the kernel and cant seem to figure out what I am missing |
| 16:27.13 | bnoji | silvinho: is it an all-in-one solution then? |
| 16:27.17 | silvinho | your initrd needs lvm modules as i recall |
| 16:27.34 | silvinho | bnoji: there are some good howtos on it on the postfix wiki if you want an idea of what's involved |
| 16:27.47 | tarzeau | korozion: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:28.01 | Tenkawa | silvinho: shouldnt I be able to hard compile them into the kernel though? |
| 16:28.16 | Tenkawa | or is initrd required |
| 16:28.53 | Tenkawa | brb |
| 16:29.00 | korozion | Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list Do I just add sid to deb-src ? |
| 16:29.19 | abrotman | g3brown: the issue should be resolved on newer drives .. older drives had bug and the workaround caused a horrible decrease in performance |
| 16:29.30 | silvinho | yeah i mean you need them in yoru kernel, your initrd needs them as well so it can mount the root filesystem to boot |
| 16:29.31 | |krusty| | hi! my xterm is all black. when I look at the .xsession-errors file. it says that "color name gray96 is not defined" ++ a lot of other "not defined" messages. where are these colors defined? what package? |
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| 16:29.56 | valdyn | |krusty|: have you tried installing sid's xterm? |
| 16:30.08 | valdyn | |krusty|: since you seem to be already running xorg.. |
| 16:30.23 | valdyn | |krusty|: or testing's xterm, if that is where your xorg is from |
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| 16:31.39 | |krusty| | valdyn: i don't think the problem is related to xterm (because it's the same with emacs etc.). i've got a stable xorg on sarge from !xorg sarge |
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| 16:32.02 | xored | hi, how can i check my CPU temps ( P III ) ? |
| 16:32.05 | |krusty| | valdyn: the problem is that i don't have the x colors defined.. i think |
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| 16:35.00 | valdyn | |krusty|: so install the new xterm |
| 16:35.04 | ScottMac2 | another network question, whast the purpose of the broadcast option for an interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:36.01 | stew | ScottMac2: its there in case you are doing something very odd and are not using the default broadcast address unless you are part of the .000001% of the population that is using non-standard broadcast addresses, leave it blank |
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| 16:36.13 | stew | ScottMac2: err, don't specify it at all |
| 16:36.21 | hawking | oOoOoO |
| 16:36.24 | hawking | :) |
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| 16:36.55 | __filip_ | is there any partition application in linux? like partition magic |
| 16:37.00 | ScottMac2 | stew: another question, i also see network in there, whats that for? i did check the mman page but couldnt' see anything |
| 16:37.17 | Exit83 | __filip_: fdisk? |
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| 16:37.25 | hawking | any clamscan lovers around? |
| 16:37.26 | stew | ScottMac2: read what I said above but substitude "network" for "broadcast" |
| 16:37.32 | clojster | what do I need to do if I want to move to UTF-8 encoding on debian? |
| 16:37.33 | ScottMac2 | lol, thanks |
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| 16:37.47 | __filip_ | Exit83: is there any easyer? |
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| 16:38.09 | sgeigerbot | Is anyone here using daapd? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/164 suggests that you can get it from Debian? but packages.debian.org suggests it doesn't exist in debian. |
| 16:38.21 | Exit83 | __filip_: ithought fdisk was pretty easy and self explanatory :s you could always look for gui frontends for it |
| 16:38.41 | bnoji | silvinho: so you suggest running postfix+courier rather than courier as a standalone system? |
| 16:38.44 | Lee__ | is there a package for apxs in apache2 on sarge? I can't find anything with search. |
| 16:38.46 | mansu | hi all |
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| 16:38.57 | bnoji | Lee__ : i think its included |
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| 16:39.11 | TheCollector | sgeigerbot: i don't see it in unstable |
| 16:39.12 | Lee__ | I'll look. |
| 16:39.27 | hawking | how can i get tor? |
| 16:39.30 | Tenkawa | is there any docs anywhere to show me the .config of a pdebian precompiled kernel? |
| 16:39.39 | sgeigerbot | TheCollector: http://www.mt-daapd.org/ might be where the site is hosted... |
| 16:39.41 | Lee__ | ha! it's called apxs2 |
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| 16:39.52 | TheCollector | sgeigerbot: that's what I use |
| 16:39.55 | __filip_ | I have heard about somthing like gpartitioner or something like that, my friend had it and that was very easy. |
| 16:40.03 | __filip_ | somebody know about it? |
| 16:40.12 | bnoji | Lee__: apache-dev is the only other i see |
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| 16:40.17 | Skrot | Hi. Are there possibilties for logging transfer-statistics over sftp (openssh)? |
| 16:40.18 | xored | hi, how can i check my CPU temps ( P III ) ?? have sarge-stable |
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| 16:40.23 | Exit83 | __filip_: try apt-cache search gpartitioner then |
| 16:40.26 | Buddha| | __filip_ - Gnuparted, perhaps? |
| 16:40.27 | bnoji | i know apxs2 is installed by default when you build from source |
| 16:40.30 | Lee__ | apache2 in sarge is weird. everything ends in a 2 |
| 16:40.44 | mansu | i have a source of a package and i want apt-get to manage the installation until the latest version turns up in the sid, how can i manage the installation a source(tar.gz) using apt? |
| 16:40.45 | Lee__ | the apache2 package has a file /usr/bin/apxs2 |
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| 16:41.07 | |krusty| | where's x's colors defined? like black. i do a "emacs .bashrc" under x, and i get "black" undefined. |
| 16:41.08 | bnoji | that would be it |
| 16:41.10 | quiet | Lee__, most distributions distinguish apache and apache2 by adding a 2... |
| 16:41.11 | silvinho | bnoji: oh hrm postfix+courier vs courier, yeah i would personally, you said only a dozen or 2 people, could just run courier |
| 16:41.15 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org http://www.codif.altervista.org |
| 16:41.20 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org http://www.codif.altervista.org |
| 16:41.24 | Buddha| | __filip_ - search for 'parted' |
| 16:41.24 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org http://www.codif.altervista.org |
| 16:41.28 | valdyn | |krusty|: xterms colors are define in xterm |
| 16:41.29 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org http://www.codif.altervista.org |
| 16:41.33 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org http://www.codif.altervista.org |
| 16:41.34 | bnoji | silvinho: We have 10-15 users, 1-2GB mailfiles right now in Oultook |
| 16:41.36 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org http://www.codif.altervista.org |
| 16:41.36 | bnoji | er, outlook |
| 16:41.37 | valdyn | |krusty|: suprising as that might be |
| 16:41.38 | __filip_ | Is there any GUI for Gnuparted ? |
| 16:41.41 | Exit83 | __filip_: try apt-cache show gpart |
| 16:41.44 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org http://www.codif.altervista.org |
| 16:41.44 | quiet | Lee__, if the distribution has both apache 1.x and 2.x available.. they will distinguish them with a 2.. |
| 16:41.49 | silvinho | bnoji: i like postfix so i recommend that |
| 16:41.50 | Buddha| | __filip_ - or Gparted, for a Gnome-based version |
| 16:41.51 | Exit83 | __filip_: it uses fdisk omong others |
| 16:42.03 | stew | mansu: build your own package, "/msg dpkg mg" this document will also tell you how you can contribute your package to debian |
| 16:42.05 | Lee__ | quiet, it appears so, along with every single other binary, module and shell script. |
| 16:42.06 | Exit83 | __filip_: or gparted |
| 16:42.06 | sgeigerbot | TheCollector: http://www.snakeoillabs.com/2005/07/23/setting-up-a-debian-itunes-server/ says it is in unstable. Hmmm. |
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| 16:42.15 | |krusty| | valdyn: xterm is NOT the problem. same with emacs, bash etc.. i tried to install eterm (enlightenment term), and that works fine. |
| 16:42.32 | |krusty| | valdyn: i just miss some global color defines.. somewhere |
| 16:42.34 | cheal | xored: try lm_sensors |
| 16:42.39 | valdyn | |krusty|: bash ? |
| 16:42.48 | quiet | Lee__, yeah.. it can be a little confusing at first.. i noticed it on some FreeBSD servers... it even includes the point release.. i.e. - apache22 |
| 16:42.50 | valdyn | |krusty|: bash has nothing to dow ith this, except that it runs in an xterm |
| 16:42.51 | quiet | or apache 21 |
| 16:42.52 | valdyn | | |
| 16:42.54 | stew | |krusty|: do you have /etc/X11/rgb.txt ? |
| 16:42.59 | xored | cheal: is it in the reps and CL based like maybe top ? |
| 16:42.59 | valdyn | |krusty|: same for your emacs i guess |
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| 16:43.03 | mansu | stew: thx |
| 16:43.05 | xam | |krusty| many applications use /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt |
| 16:43.15 | TheCollector | sgeigerbot: do you have contrib in your sources.conf? |
| 16:43.15 | stew | |krusty|: were you running a prerelease version of xorg? |
| 16:43.17 | |krusty| | valdyn: ok. bash was wrong.. since it uses the xterm. |
| 16:43.25 | |krusty| | i'll check out rgb.. |
| 16:43.36 | cheal | xored: it's in all releases |
| 16:43.36 | valdyn | |krusty|: you are running a xfree86 / xorg mix, upgrade the rest |
| 16:43.40 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 16:44.21 | elephantMan | I want to use 'skippy' on my gnome desktop - How can i start this automatically without starting it in a shell ? |
| 16:44.37 | xored | cheal: how to us it ?! |
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| 16:45.02 | stew | elephantMan: start it in ~/.xsession |
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| 16:45.16 | sgeigerbot | TheCollector: At the bottomof the last page someone left a comment that he is also having problems. Then he gave this link: http://wiki.mt-daapd.org/wiki/Quickstart_Debian |
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| 16:46.15 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org i'm italian |
| 16:46.17 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org i'm italian |
| 16:46.17 | |krusty| | /usr/X11r&/lib/X11/rgb.txt is a link to /etc/X11/rgb.txt.. and /etc/X11/rgb.txt is missing! where do I get rgb.txt ? |
| 16:46.18 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org i'm italian |
| 16:46.21 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org i'm italian |
| 16:46.24 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org i'm italian |
| 16:46.33 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org i'm italian |
| 16:46.37 | SimonRaven | Vale: bugger off |
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| 16:46.47 | TheCollector | sgeigerbot: yeah, I think the thing is that the guy had non-free and contrib in his sources.list |
| 16:46.59 | valdyn | |krusty|: x11-common |
| 16:47.03 | TheCollector | sgeigerbot: I don't, and can't see the package |
| 16:47.05 | __filip_ | I dont get it work fdisk is to hard for me but maybe somebody here can help, i whant to make an 3 Gb partition and it should take room from my hda5 (hda5 is nfts) ? |
| 16:47.09 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org i'm italian |
| 16:47.21 | SimonRaven | Vale: this isn't fricking efnet |
| 16:47.25 | stew | !ops Vale spamming |
| 16:47.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Vale spamming |
| 16:47.25 | silvinho | guys |
| 16:47.29 | Vale | i'm problem whit |
| 16:47.29 | silvinho | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.37 | Vale | printer |
| 16:47.46 | sunrises | hi all |
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| 16:47.54 | Vale | help |
| 16:47.55 | silvinho | __filip_: you need to use a program like parted to resize your ntfs partition (hda5 as you say), then create a new partition in the free space |
| 16:47.56 | Vale | me |
| 16:47.58 | sunrises | somebody use Demudi? |
| 16:48.02 | TheCollector | howdy, sunrises |
| 16:48.02 | SimonRaven | silvinho: learn to recognise troll |
| 16:48.07 | |krusty| | valdyn: i have x11-common installed.. |
| 16:48.12 | Vale | i'm problem whit |
| 16:48.15 | Vale | printer |
| 16:48.17 | Vale | help |
| 16:48.18 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 16:48.19 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:48.19 | Vale | me |
| 16:48.20 | silvinho | SimonRaven: lol i did and ignored |
| 16:48.21 | |krusty| | valdyn: but there's no rgb.txt here |
| 16:48.31 | valdyn | |krusty|: try reinstalling it following what dpkg just said |
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| 16:48.34 | __filip_ | silvinho: i parted an program? |
| 16:48.37 | green-mouse | somebody know what hapend with 2.6.14 kernel in unstable? |
| 16:48.45 | sunrises | i'm having trouble trying to install gaim |
| 16:48.45 | silvinho | __filip_: yes 'parted' is a program that can resize ntfs partitions |
| 16:48.53 | Vale | there are |
| 16:48.57 | TheCollector | sunrises: what's happening? |
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| 16:49.01 | sunrises | cause it says don't find a C compiler in the path |
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| 16:49.05 | SimonRaven | !tell Vale -about ask |
| 16:49.05 | Vale | i'm italian |
| 16:49.10 | SimonRaven | !tell Vale -about smart questions |
| 16:49.11 | __filip_ | silvinho: ok, easy to use? |
| 16:49.12 | aubergine | juhu iam back |
| 16:49.12 | sunrises | i guess in Demudi isn't a C compiler |
| 16:49.17 | stew | Vale: if you have a question, ask a specific question on a single line. or move on, for help in italian /join #debian-it |
| 16:49.17 | Vale | the printer |
| 16:49.17 | xored | dieses i have an "thermal zone" dir in acpi, but there is nothing in |
| 16:49.23 | silvinho | greenfly: still there for me |
| 16:49.26 | SimonRaven | !tell Vale -about italian |
| 16:49.33 | Skrot | Hi. Are there possibilties for logging transfer-statistics (eg. how much a user has down- and uploaded) over sftp (openssh)? |
| 16:49.37 | silvinho | __filip_: i think so |
| 16:49.38 | TheCollector | sunrises: do you have build-essential installed? |
| 16:49.41 | sunrises | but from Synaptic i don't find it to install |
| 16:49.43 | Vale | non riesco a configurare la stampante |
| 16:49.50 | Vale | non riesco a configurare la printer |
| 16:49.52 | stew | Vale: /join #debian-it |
| 16:49.57 | stew | Vale: english only in here |
| 16:49.59 | sunrises | tes |
| 16:50.01 | __filip_ | silvinho: is there any GUI? |
| 16:50.03 | Vale | i have a hp deskjec |
| 16:50.06 | sunrises | i installed the 1.2.1 |
| 16:50.08 | Vale | 3520 |
| 16:50.10 | sunrises | last version of demudi |
| 16:50.20 | Vale | aaa |
| 16:50.27 | Vale | what |
| 16:50.28 | stew | Vale: stop. ask a question on a *single* line |
| 16:50.44 | Vale | you speak italian |
| 16:50.50 | evilbulgarian | hi, i keep getting "zone foo.com/IN: refresh: failure trying master XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX#53: timed out" i also get a time out when i do dig @nsprimary testdomina.com but when i nmap that port its open|filtered can someone please help me trace this problem to see if ISP is maby filtering that port or its on my side? |
| 16:50.53 | silvinho | __filip_: hrm don't think so, i would recommend downloading the 'ultimate boot cd' it has several utilities you can resize ntfs partitions with |
| 16:51.03 | valdyn | |krusty|: looking at that file i dont think that will fix your issue |
| 16:51.07 | stew | Vale: no. do you have a debian related question? if so ask it |
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| 16:51.25 | SimonRaven | silvinho: touché |
| 16:51.26 | valdyn | |krusty|: but im using a different Xorg release so, uh, not all is lost |
| 16:51.29 | Gnea | godDAMN nvidia is broken so bad that I can't even switch out of X/VT7 anymore, or it simply won't load at ALL, locking the whole system up... all of the bug reports are in, what's taking so fucking long to fix it? I shouldn't have to go and spam the BTS with bugs now should I... |
| 16:51.33 | Vale | my printer no printer |
| 16:51.36 | stew | !ops please remove Vale |
| 16:51.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please remove Vale |
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| 16:51.38 | TheCollector | sunrises: are you running stable or unstable? |
| 16:51.46 | Vale | my printer no print |
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| 16:51.53 | silvinho | Skrot: i would look at http://sftplogging.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:51.59 | sunrises | Vale go in italian channel |
| 16:51.59 | silvinho | Skrot: he has some patches to enable logging |
| 16:52.01 | sunrises | pls |
| 16:52.06 | Vale | where |
| 16:52.08 | Skrot | silvinho: thanks |
| 16:52.10 | Gnea | !it |
| 16:52.10 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 16:52.12 | __filip_ | But is there no program that can resize/move/make partion in an GUI? |
| 16:52.13 | sunrises | if you don't understand - vai nel canale italiano |
| 16:52.16 | valdyn | Gnea: maybe the fault is at nvidia ? |
| 16:52.25 | diesel | How do I mount an iso image? |
| 16:52.27 | sunrises | "/join #debian-it" |
| 16:52.29 | silvinho | __filip_: sure partition magic |
| 16:52.37 | azeem | Vale: is english your native language? |
| 16:52.38 | stew | diesel: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mountpoint |
| 16:52.47 | silvinho | diesel: mount -t iso9660 -o loop iso /mountpoint |
| 16:52.47 | Exit83 | diesel: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mount |
| 16:52.48 | Gnea | valdyn: have they been bombarded with 8174 woes? |
| 16:52.49 | __filip_ | silvinho: can i get partition magic in linux? |
| 16:52.50 | azeem | Vale: maybe there is a local chan for you |
| 16:52.54 | Exit83 | lol |
| 16:52.57 | silvinho | __filip_: not sure, check their homepage |
| 16:52.58 | Gnea | mount /cdrom |
| 16:53.01 | diesel | thanks everyone |
| 16:53.02 | Exit83 | i think diesel has the answer now :d |
| 16:53.03 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org thanks |
| 16:53.04 | Vale | http://www.codif.altervista.org thanks |
| 16:53.04 | aubergine | When i upgrade my Kernel could then anything wrong with installed packages? |
| 16:53.18 | valdyn | Gnea: no idea, they dont even have a public bts |
| 16:53.20 | Gnea | !tell vale about it |
| 16:53.22 | SimonRaven | even broadcom - sorta - relented |
| 16:53.28 | azaz_work | __filip_: There are a number of free clones (qtparted, gparted) Most using the parted library |
| 16:53.37 | stew | alindeman: can you please +q Vale ? |
| 16:53.38 | azeem | Vale: please stop advertising |
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| 16:53.49 | sunrises | i don't know, collector, should be stable |
| 16:53.49 | SerajewelKS | is there an icecast server in debian, and how would i set one up to receive a stream from xmms? i tried this some time ago and could never get the two to talk. |
| 16:53.52 | Skrot | silvinho: Seems more "what is the user doing"-oriented :> |
| 16:54.05 | silvinho | Skrot: hrm |
| 16:54.06 | __filip_ | azaz_work: can i get them in synaptic? |
| 16:54.07 | Gnea | valdyn: this is fucking stupid, what in X.org+Nvidia would prevent ctrl-alt-fX switching?! |
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| 16:54.13 | SimonRaven | ffs, the only active op in here is an irc op... this is bad |
| 16:54.14 | silvinho | are you just interested in total bandwidth, or do you need per user skrot ? |
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| 16:54.32 | xored | cheal: i intalled lm_sensors now, how can i show the CPu-temps easily ? |
| 16:54.37 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you can't, you have to use winamp to provide the stream out - trust me, i've tried |
| 16:54.47 | azeem | it seems Vale stopped |
| 16:54.49 | azaz_work | __filip_: Yeah, both of those are. I missed the beginning of the conversation waht exactly are you doing? |
| 16:54.49 | Skrot | silvinho: I don't need per user. :> |
| 16:54.53 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: you're shitting me |
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| 16:55.05 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: MuSE used to work but seems to be broken/incompatible anymore |
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| 16:55.08 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hell no. |
| 16:55.11 | silvinho | Skrot: is sftp the only major traffic on that box? you could always just run something like iptraf that keeps interface statistics |
| 16:55.16 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: xmms-liveice? |
| 16:55.24 | __filip_ | azaz_work: make an new partition :) |
| 16:55.24 | aubergine | When i upgrade my Kernel could then anything wrong with installed packages? |
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| 16:55.25 | pulasthi | hello |
| 16:55.34 | Exit83 | hi |
| 16:55.39 | sunrises | but why isn't in Synaptic the C compiler package? |
| 16:55.43 | Exit83 | aubergine: normally no |
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| 16:55.57 | Exit83 | aubergine: only probs you could get is missing modules |
| 16:55.58 | valdyn | sunrises: why would you think that? |
| 16:56.02 | SimonRaven | sunrises: it is. wipe the crust off |
| 16:56.09 | Skrot | silvinho: It runs sftp (for some users) and samba (but only for two hosts, internally on the network, but it does generate a lot of bandwidth some times) |
| 16:56.11 | sunrises | och... |
| 16:56.13 | green-mouse | somebody know what hapend with 2.6.14 kernel in unstable? My friend phone to me and told what he can not boot after update he use debian unstable... I dont use stock kernels... maybe this well-known bug? somebody hear anything about this? |
| 16:56.16 | thgjerde | my samba server is ekstreemly slow on uploads from windows clients, what could be wrong? |
| 16:56.18 | sunrises | am i blind? |
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| 16:56.21 | sunrises | let me look better |
| 16:56.24 | valdyn | green-mouse: its broken |
| 16:56.30 | stew | sunrises: install build-essential |
| 16:56.31 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: well you can try it, last time i did it shat everywhere |
| 16:56.39 | sunrises | from apt-get? |
| 16:56.40 | valdyn | green-mouse: tell your friend to install apt-listbugs |
| 16:56.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: yeah for me it just plain didn't work |
| 16:56.52 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: the server rejected the login or whatever |
| 16:57.00 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i blame gnome |
| 16:57.04 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: which may have been a misconfiguration on my part |
| 16:57.08 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: heh |
| 16:57.13 | nathe | valdyn: btw, thank you for the help, the problem was the plugins in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 16:57.16 | stew | sunrises: doesn't matter if you using apt-get or synaptic |
| 16:57.19 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: i blame crappy plugin authors |
| 16:57.29 | valdyn | nathe: oh i see |
| 16:57.34 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: you know of any other way to hit "play" in xmms and listen to the stream on a remote windows box? |
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| 16:58.02 | sunrises | stew: ok |
| 16:58.09 | green-mouse | valdyn, i need to go and repir this... were i can read about this bug? |
| 16:58.19 | nathe | valdyn: I did the silly thing of installing them through firefox rather then through apt or something |
| 16:58.23 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: i can listen on media player or winamp |
| 16:58.29 | valdyn | green-mouse: /j #debian-devel , read the topic |
| 16:58.35 | sunrises | but i don't find it |
| 16:58.38 | green-mouse | valdyn, thanks |
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| 16:58.42 | sunrises | there isn't build-essentianl |
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| 16:58.49 | valdyn | nathe: bad luck i guess, i do that all the time too.. |
| 16:58.57 | sunrises | i'm using agnula/demudi |
| 16:59.02 | SerajewelKS | sunrises: it helps if you spell it right |
| 16:59.19 | nathe | valdyn: **shrug** well.. anyway thanks again |
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| 16:59.33 | azaz_work | __filip_: I think gparted is the nicer of the two. |
| 16:59.35 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you know what, i could never mind a good howto for setting that up - in fact, i'm just gonna shut up right now, cuz i'm too pissed off at other things to really give a shit about trying to solve anyone elses problems right now - sorry. |
| 16:59.58 | __filip_ | azaz_work: ok |
| 17:00.11 | sunrises | i'm seaching it inside Synaptic, but nothing |
| 17:00.18 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: np, i've been there before |
| 17:00.25 | __filip_ | azaz_work i cant find gparted in synaptic :S |
| 17:00.30 | TheCollector | sunrises: apt-cache search build-essential |
| 17:00.37 | valdyn | sunrises: agnula/demudi are not debian, ask their support |
| 17:00.43 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 17:00.43 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 17:01.01 | sunrises | agnula/demudi is debian based |
| 17:01.06 | SerajewelKS | !based on debian |
| 17:01.06 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 17:01.14 | valdyn | sunrises: and co is co2 based |
| 17:01.20 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: haha |
| 17:01.30 | azeem | demudi is an official Debian sub-project, I thought? |
| 17:01.43 | sunrises | i don't know if its official |
| 17:01.45 | sunrises | but is possible |
| 17:01.58 | Gnea | BUT IS IT DeBIAN?! |
| 17:02.02 | sunrises | yes |
| 17:02.09 | sunrises | 100% debian |
| 17:02.10 | tarzeau | sunrises: prove it |
| 17:02.15 | Gnea | bullfuckingshit. |
| 17:02.40 | valdyn | sunrises: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:02.40 | sunrises | as ubuntu is debian based |
| 17:02.47 | xam | argghlllll |
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| 17:02.54 | SimonRaven | no, it isn't. whomever told you that is ignorant |
| 17:02.57 | SerajewelKS | !tell sunrises about based on debian |
| 17:02.58 | azeem | "A/DeMuDi is not a separate distribution to Debian, it's just a custom way to install an ordinary Debian system, which gets automatically configured for audio work." |
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| 17:03.02 | valdyn | sunrises: yea, exactly, go bug bug #ubuntu ;) |
| 17:03.03 | sunrises | i just read it somewhere |
| 17:03.09 | sunrises | i never tried ubuntu |
| 17:03.12 | tarzeau | sunrises: here's the list of sub projects: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/ |
| 17:03.15 | sunrises | just cause i don't like that name |
| 17:03.20 | TheCollector | hey, don't kill the noob ;) |
| 17:03.20 | Exit83 | !tell Exit83 about based on debian |
| 17:03.33 | azeem | Exit83: just /msg dpkg |
| 17:03.46 | Exit83 | azeem: hehehe, thx :d |
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| 17:04.06 | Exit83 | azeem: im install debian now on my netra server :d |
| 17:04.12 | Exit83 | *installing |
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| 17:04.30 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i'll hold him down, feel free to gut him |
| 17:04.38 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: haha |
| 17:04.41 | ney | oi |
| 17:04.42 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:04.49 | sunrises | from cat : 3.1 |
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| 17:05.48 | abrotman | sunrises: if you have used ubuntu sources or the installer .. you do not have debian |
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| 17:06.02 | sunrises | ops.. |
| 17:06.03 | hawking | nirvana? |
| 17:06.07 | sunrises | i don't have a ubuntu |
| 17:06.11 | sunrises | i have demudi |
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| 17:06.18 | sunrises | agnula/demudi |
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| 17:06.40 | Gnea | sunrises: which is not debian. |
| 17:06.43 | Dallam | sunrises, is there a demudi channel? |
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| 17:06.53 | sunrises | there is agnula channel |
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| 17:06.55 | ney | oi |
| 17:07.00 | SimonRaven | Depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.0), g++ (>= 4:4.0), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5) |
| 17:07.02 | sunrises | but few people |
| 17:07.06 | SimonRaven | Filename: pool/main/b/build-essential/build-essential_11.1_i386.deb |
| 17:07.07 | ney | você pode me audar? por favor |
| 17:07.09 | sunrises | and all sleeping now |
| 17:07.13 | valdyn | sunrises: 'apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential' <- try that, if it does not work, uh, your demudi isnt debian ) |
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| 17:07.19 | Gnea | sunrises: then wait. |
| 17:07.20 | christianp | hi all |
| 17:07.22 | sunrises | valdyn |
| 17:07.30 | cmdKeen | I am back with extra smart question... how is the best way to format floppy ? |
| 17:07.36 | sunrises | i made cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:07.36 | christianp | can anyone help me in finding a tool to convert a dvd into divx? |
| 17:07.40 | sunrises | it says 3.1 |
| 17:07.40 | Gnea | cmdKeen: superformat |
| 17:07.43 | ney | você pode me audar |
| 17:07.43 | Dallam | you might be better off asking there, the josh thread on debian-users is a mile long over asking a question about a debian-derivate on this channel :) |
| 17:07.47 | valdyn | sunrises: yea, i saw |
| 17:07.50 | TheCollector | christianp: mencoder |
| 17:07.53 | ney | você pode me ajudar por favor |
| 17:07.59 | Gnea | !es |
| 17:07.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:08.02 | christianp | thanks TheCollector |
| 17:08.04 | thingfish | !br |
| 17:08.04 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:08.07 | valdyn | sunrises: means it claims to be debian/sarge, nothing else |
| 17:08.08 | TheCollector | christianp: np |
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| 17:08.18 | sunrises | yes, i remember now, its sarge |
| 17:08.24 | sunrises | oh |
| 17:08.30 | Gnea | sunrises: that doesn't mean it's debian. |
| 17:08.30 | sunrises | one is awake:)) |
| 17:08.35 | sunrises | on agnula |
| 17:08.36 | Gnea | good! :) |
| 17:08.37 | sunrises | good good |
| 17:08.38 | sunrises | ) |
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| 17:08.46 | Gnea | now go skullfuck them for awhile |
| 17:08.48 | sunrises | thank you for the pretty talk |
| 17:08.52 | TheCollector | christianp: it's part of mplayer, which doesn't have an official package, to the best of my knowledge |
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| 17:08.56 | Gnea | no problem |
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| 17:09.24 | SimonRaven | christianp: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 17:10.02 | TheCollector | SimonRaven: thanks, was just about to give him a URL |
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| 17:10.41 | christianp | TheCollector, SimonRaven thanks |
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| 17:11.12 | TheCollector | christianp: good luck |
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| 17:11.29 | rootnoverify | http://hackbot.orgfree.com/nowin.php <-- an screenshot taken while testing a new piece of MS security software.. (so it's no advertisment) |
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| 17:11.51 | cmdKeen | Gnea, I thought it was joke, but it works.. thanks. |
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| 17:12.31 | bodhisattva | i have just a quick question |
| 17:12.42 | SerajewelKS | rootnoverify: there's the ultimate security. deny everything! |
| 17:12.48 | bodhisattva | nm i think i remember |
| 17:12.58 | SerajewelKS | "is your name bawldrick?" "no." |
| 17:13.01 | Exit83 | rootnoverify: my friend has a screenshot of doing a windows update with IE under wine |
| 17:13.13 | Exit83 | rootnoverify: ill try to get it this evening and post it |
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| 17:13.58 | Vincent | je voudrais avoir une partition windows et une linux sur lamême clef, je pensais faire FAT32 et ext2/3, mais je ne sais pas ce qu'il faut faire, laquelle doit ête primaire, étendue, etc... j'y connais rien. QQun peut m'aider ? |
| 17:14.04 | azeem | Vincent: #debian-fr |
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| 17:14.22 | Vincent | azeem: woops xcuse me I fought I was ther :-) |
| 17:14.27 | azeem | np |
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| 17:14.49 | tarzeau | demudi is listed here: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-nonprofit/ |
| 17:14.53 | bizkit | !qos |
| 17:14.53 | dpkg | qos is probably Quality of Service, a way of prioritizing IP traffic, or see DiffServ, or see Linux 2.4 Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO at http://lartc.org |
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| 17:15.11 | bizkit | !qos dsl |
| 17:15.22 | azeem | bizkit: please /msg the bot |
| 17:15.31 | bizkit | well he doesn't answer azeem |
| 17:15.41 | christianp | TheCollector, have you experience with acidrip? |
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| 17:15.50 | azeem | bizkit: if it doesn't answer, that means you got the wrong question |
| 17:15.52 | TheCollector | christianp: nope |
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| 17:15.59 | ivanfrey | Can I install Sid directly or do I have to install sarge first and then do a dist-upgrade to Sid? |
| 17:16.06 | azeem | ivanfrey: the latter |
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| 17:16.16 | SerajewelKS | azeem: no |
| 17:16.23 | TheCollector | christianp: but I'll play around with it |
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| 17:16.31 | azeem | SerajewelKS: no to what? |
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| 17:16.33 | SerajewelKS | ivanfrey: if you do the netinstall in expert mode you can pick stable/testing/unstable |
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| 17:16.53 | SerajewelKS | azeem: your answer to ivanfrey |
| 17:17.17 | christianp | TheCollector, my handycam makes a folder called "video_ts" in which are .bup .ifo .vob files. And now? What's the file i have to open? |
| 17:17.22 | ivanfrey | SerajewelKS: what if I want to install from the CDs? |
| 17:17.22 | azeem | well, installing sarge then upgrading ist still considered the best I think |
| 17:17.26 | nukeu666 | i get a kernel panic when trying to boot from 2.6 kernel coz of my SATA hdd...are there any external modules that ihave to load? |
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| 17:17.48 | embryo | i want change my host.. |
| 17:17.48 | SerajewelKS | ivanfrey: from the sarge CD set? then you need to install it and dist-upgrade. |
| 17:17.51 | embryo | hlp please |
| 17:17.52 | TheCollector | christianp: not sure |
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| 17:18.03 | SerajewelKS | ivanfrey: you can only install sid directly using the netinstall or debootstrap afaik |
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| 17:18.17 | Vincent | Is it possible to create two partitions on the same USB key: fat32 and ext3 |
| 17:18.18 | Vincent | ? |
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| 17:18.27 | valdyn | Vincent: sure |
| 17:18.31 | SerajewelKS | Vincent: yes |
| 17:18.42 | dumezil | im wondering about the correct way to resize an ext3 partition. ive expanded my raid5 array and i want to expand /home from 64GB to the extent of the free space. im trying to use parted to resize it, but im unable to unmount /home (it says device is busy. but lsof doesn't show anything on /home or /dev/sda8). any suggestions? |
| 17:18.45 | ivanfrey | SerajewelKS: Sorry, I'm not explaining myself. I will be making Sid CD images. |
| 17:18.46 | SerajewelKS | Vincent: put the fat one first though or windows boxen will throw a fit when you stick it in |
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| 17:18.55 | TheCollector | christianp: judging by the size of .vob files, those are the video files |
| 17:18.56 | SerajewelKS | ivanfrey: oh. that's a stupid thing to do. |
| 17:19.10 | TheCollector | christianp: dunno if audio is in there too |
| 17:19.13 | Vincent | ok, can anybody guide me ? I do not know anything. I would like to use something like gtparted ou qtpartedx |
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| 17:19.26 | SerajewelKS | Vincent: fdisk =) |
| 17:19.51 | Vincent | SerajewelKS: I am ok with fdisk... but... I will need some help |
| 17:20.15 | SerajewelKS | Vincent: you only need to make two primary partitions |
| 17:20.24 | dumezil | Vincent: cfdisk is a little easier to use |
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| 17:20.59 | SerajewelKS | dumezil: for this task they're equally simple |
| 17:21.04 | christianp | TheCollector, ok, thanks |
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| 17:21.25 | SerajewelKS | fdisk /dev/sdx... 'd' all partitions, 'n' two times.. 'w' |
| 17:21.32 | SerajewelKS | and poof |
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| 17:21.41 | dumezil | SerajewelKS ahh you don't have to look up all the key commands with cfdisk, but you are correct in this case |
| 17:21.42 | ivanfrey | SerajewelKS: Yeah, I know. But the person I'm giving this to doesn't have all the bandwidth in the world. And when you look at Sid it's asymptocally approaching Mac OS X, ;-) |
| 17:21.54 | Vincent | cfdisk only propose me to modify my /dev/hda |
| 17:22.01 | TheCollector | christianp: I'd try setting the "path" field in acidrip to the dir that has your files, and seeing what shows up |
| 17:22.08 | dumezil | cfdisk /dev/whatever your device name is |
| 17:22.30 | Vincent | dumezil: yes I found it just after my commment :-) |
| 17:22.40 | SerajewelKS | ivanfrey: well that does make sense then. i don't know how to make debian cd images though.. i'm sure dpkg knows something about it. |
| 17:22.49 | SerajewelKS | ivanfrey: but i'll be darned if i know what the factoid is called |
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| 17:23.04 | dumezil | Vincent don't you hate it when that happens... |
| 17:23.26 | SerajewelKS | Vincent: good thing you didn't go deleting partitions =) |
| 17:23.45 | christianp | TheCollector, no valid files found :-( |
| 17:23.50 | TheCollector | hmm |
| 17:23.51 | dumezil | why can't i umount /home? lsof doesn't return anything in use on /home |
| 17:23.59 | sgeigerbot | TheCollector: I wrote a little python script to install mt-daap. Want it? |
| 17:24.09 | SerajewelKS | dumezil: gremlins! |
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| 17:24.22 | TheCollector | sgeigerbot: thanks for the offer, but I'm ok |
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| 17:24.28 | stew | sgeigerbot: why not package it? |
| 17:24.36 | sgeigerbot | stew: TOO LAZY |
| 17:24.46 | dumezil | SerajewelKS: haha no really |
| 17:24.56 | sgeigerbot | stew: It's a very quick hack that will probably break in no time at all. |
| 17:25.12 | sgeigerbot | stew: python is the language I use to take notes about installations. ;-) |
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| 17:25.22 | SerajewelKS | dumezil: try lsof | grep home |
| 17:25.31 | SerajewelKS | dumezil: you might have a shell sitting in /home somewhere |
| 17:25.33 | sgeigerbot | stew: My computer understands Python better than I understand English. |
| 17:25.42 | Vincent | dumezil: I appreciate your help, on ubuntu-fr, they told me to put everything with fat32, and did not accepted that I did not wanted to have everything with a Microsoft fs... |
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| 17:26.00 | dumezil | SerajewelKS: lsof | grep /home doesn't return anything |
| 17:26.36 | ivanfrey | SerajewelKS: That's ok, I'm using jigdo-lite in Mac OS X. I'm downloading the 6th image now. Every time the images get updated I go back, mount the previous image and tell jigdo-lite where to scan for files. It then downloads the packages that have changed from my local mirror. |
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| 17:27.14 | SerajewelKS | dumezil: dunno what to say then |
| 17:27.15 | dumezil | Vincent: i don't know why people in ubuntu would be like that... hope it works for you |
| 17:27.24 | SerajewelKS | ivanfrey: spiffy |
| 17:27.51 | cahoot | dumezil: logged in as root or su'd? |
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| 17:28.25 | Vincent | dumezil: do not know neither. The thing is that cfdisk propose me "83 Linux" as a partition type, but how can I know this is either ext 2 or ext 3? |
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| 17:29.28 | ivanfrey | dumezil: does lsof report whether a shell's CWD in /home or a subtree thereof. |
| 17:29.30 | dumezil | Vincent 83 linux by default will be ext2, but you just have to add the journal to make it ext3. i think... |
| 17:29.48 | dumezil | Vincent go ahead and do 83 linux and then it should show up in cfdisk as ext2 or 3... |
| 17:30.00 | k3ninho | dumezil: that's the common take on the difference betw ext2 and ext3 |
| 17:30.13 | ivanfrey | dumezil: sorry, that should have been a question. |
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| 17:30.46 | dumezil | ivanfrey lsof doesn't have any lines that include home or CWD in the output |
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| 17:31.01 | Vincent | dumezil: i choose 83,but when I insert my usb key, I can see the first partition, but it tell me there is an error mounting the second |
| 17:31.10 | mrMango | can anyone help me with some LVM2 issues? |
| 17:31.16 | dumezil | k3ninho is that a correct take? |
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| 17:31.30 | dumezil | mrMango don't ask if you can ask, just ask |
| 17:31.37 | plb | anyone on unstable have kernel issue with 2.6.14-2 when booting it says something like waiting 3 seconds /sys/block/dev/hda |
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| 17:32.19 | mrMango | ok, i vgscan isn't finding one of my physical volumes i know is there. i tried forcing the recreation of the pv, but it doesn't work. any ideas? |
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| 17:32.43 | Exit83 | is it remotely possible tat a compaq pressario prevents a debian boot CD to boot properly?? :s |
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| 17:33.04 | k3ninho | dumezil: I think so; wikipedia and http://freshmeat.net/projects/ext3/ agree with me |
| 17:33.12 | TheCollector | christianp: have you tried using just mencode, and not acidrip? I know it would be tedious to enter it all, but it might work better |
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| 17:33.23 | Pego | hi |
| 17:33.24 | dumezil | Vincent so you insert your usb key, it shows up as /dev/hdb (or whatever), you do cfdisk /dev/hdb, make 2 primary partitions (the first fat32, the second ext3), write the changes and exit cfdisk, then to mke2fs /dev/hdb2, then try to mount it and there is a problem? |
| 17:33.30 | zOap | I want to disable the click feature on my touchpad. I can't do this in gnome controlpanel. Does anyone have an idea how I do it, Intel 810 chipset |
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| 17:33.44 | zOap | i810 that is |
| 17:33.47 | ivanfrey | If a currently running shell's current working directory is in /home (/home being a mounted something or other) or a subdirectory thereof will lsof report it. |
| 17:34.07 | Vincent | I did not do mke2fs /dev/hdb2 |
| 17:34.17 | Vincent | dumezil: i will try this |
| 17:34.20 | Pego | hi i want convert a test.tif into test.jpg so i use convert but it give me test.tif.jpg any idea for simple delete le .tif ? |
| 17:34.25 | dumezil | Exit83 if the computer's bios isn't capable or configured to boot off a cd, yeah |
| 17:34.55 | Exit83 | it starts booting, but hen gives an error and syasy system halted |
| 17:35.05 | Exit83 | im making an new iso now to be sure i didnt screw up |
| 17:35.28 | dumezil | mrMango does the system actually see the volume? ie if you look in dmesg, is it there? |
| 17:35.52 | mrMango | dumezil: yes, dmesg reports a hard drive at hdb, which is the volume |
| 17:36.09 | dumezil | ivanfrey yeah thats what i thought, but lsof isn't showing anything, but i still can't unmount it |
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| 17:36.21 | ivanfrey | Sorry my last comment was a question. |
| 17:36.23 | mansu | what are the consequences of installing a package from source and then later installing the same package (without uninstalling the old one) via apt-get? |
| 17:36.31 | FarrisG | If I have usb drives plugged in at boot, they have their device nodes created BEFORE my raid card's drive. Is there a way to change this? Via udev, or something? |
| 17:36.35 | mrMango | dumezil: i can even fdisk it if i want, but pvscan can't find it |
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| 17:36.51 | azeem | mansu: make sure to install the source package to /usr/local |
| 17:37.11 | ivanfrey | dumezil: how is /home mounted? |
| 17:37.23 | dumezil | mrMango pvscan says what when you try? |
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| 17:37.34 | mansu | azeem: ok |
| 17:37.49 | incorrect | hello, other than pound what other load balancers are there |
| 17:37.49 | dumezil | "/dev/sda8 on /home type ext3 (rw) |
| 17:37.51 | mrMango | dumezil: couldn't find device with uuid "blah" |
| 17:38.03 | mrMango | dumezil: down on the list it says PV unknown device |
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| 17:39.47 | Exit83 | dumezil: my iso is correct, i get to see the debian boot screen, i boot further, my cdrom is starting to spin at speeds with which you think its going to lift of, and then i get an error and system halted |
| 17:39.47 | eeyore- | mansu: depends. if you install from source using default settings, the files will probably go to /usr/local |
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| 17:40.01 | dumezil | mrMango can you recreate the pv? |
| 17:40.10 | mansu | eeyore-: are you sure? |
| 17:40.18 | mrMango | dumezil: i've tried that already, actually. with -ff and --uuid |
| 17:40.33 | dumezil | Exit83 what error is it again? |
| 17:40.38 | k3ninho | exit83: do you use ide=nodma at the boot prompt? |
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| 17:41.23 | dumezil | mrMango so when you try pvcreate /dev/hdb what does it say? |
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| 17:42.06 | k3ninho | exit 83: But there may be other things you may need to try. |
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| 17:42.24 | Pego | hi i want convert a test.tif into test.jpg so i use convert but it give me test.tif.jpg any idea for simple delete le .tif ? |
| 17:42.52 | Exit83 | k3ninho dumezil: i tried normal boot now (no linux26) and i get a disk error: 80 and random numbers |
| 17:43.23 | k3ninho | is "linux failsafe" the right option? |
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| 17:43.38 | k3ninho | pego: what software are you using? |
| 17:44.03 | cahoot | Pego: convert test.tif test.jpg doesn't do it? |
| 17:44.26 | Pego | cahoot: yeah but i don't know the name fo the file i have many dir and sub-dir:( |
| 17:44.37 | Pego | k3ninho: imagemagick |
| 17:45.06 | Pego | or need just a command to strip .tif from test.tif ?:) |
| 17:45.08 | mansu | eeyore-: ya it goes to /usr/local |
| 17:45.16 | caphuso | Pego: use your shell and its ${...%...} parameter expansion |
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| 17:45.22 | Exit83 | k3ninho: the nodma option worked |
| 17:45.31 | antgel | does gnome have a tasty ui for handling ipsec/openswan tunnels? |
| 17:46.02 | Lee__ | I'd rather see a bitter ui. |
| 17:46.04 | cahoot | Pego: can use mogrify forbatch work - will replace the origs if not careful |
| 17:46.09 | Pego | caphuso: ${...%...} ?? |
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| 17:46.23 | caphuso | Pego: ${...%...} !! |
| 17:46.27 | Pego | lol |
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| 17:46.33 | Pego | i m bad in bash :/ |
| 17:46.40 | caphuso | i wouldn't have noticed |
| 17:46.46 | Pego | haha |
| 17:46.46 | Lee__ | antgel, you could search for for ipsec with apt-cache |
| 17:46.51 | caphuso | with you asking such a simple beginner's question |
| 17:46.57 | dumezil | bah i hate getting disconnected |
| 17:46.58 | Pego | cahoot: yeah but it give me toto.tif.jpg |
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| 17:48.04 | nuskool | I have a problem with my tab key... a drink never comes out when I press it... do I need to apt-get a special package for this? |
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| 17:48.26 | Lee__ | apt-get install beer |
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| 17:48.45 | antgel | Lee__: did. nothing. |
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| 17:49.03 | nuskool | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:49.04 | nuskool | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 17:49.04 | nuskool | E: Couldn't find package beer |
| 17:49.06 | nuskool | oh no |
| 17:49.13 | Lee__ | antgel, then you probably should look outside of Debian. I'd be curious too. Currently I use m0n0wall for IPsec endpoints. |
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| 17:49.17 | christianp | TheCollector, mencoder is a text-based tool? |
| 17:49.22 | TheCollector | christianp: yep |
| 17:49.27 | FarrisG | How do I configure my system to create /dev/sd* nodes for my pci-raid card drives before creating them for my usb drives at bootup? |
| 17:49.50 | christianp | i try calling it with no parms , but gives me errors |
| 17:50.17 | Pego | cahoot: oops you were right about option inmogrify sorry and thanks |
| 17:50.20 | mikmu | If I'm compiling a new kernel, and I prefer not to use initrd, I have to insure that what is compiled in not as a module? Hard disk controllers, chipset drivers, filesystems. Anything else? |
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| 17:50.50 | TheCollector | christianp: what's the error? |
| 17:50.54 | mikmu | or is it better to just use an initrd and compile stuff in as modules, does it give better performance? |
| 17:50.55 | antgel | Lee__: lets see what #ubuntu says ;) |
| 17:51.10 | Lee__ | mikmu, anything that you need to bootstrap the box before / is mounted. |
| 17:51.38 | Lee__ | networking would help |
| 17:52.04 | caphuso | mikmu: compiling in something saves you the 20 milliseconds it takes to load the module. other than that there's no performance difference |
| 17:52.52 | antgel | !gentoosmite mikmu |
| 17:53.05 | mikmu | caphuso: ah, ok, any special make-kpkg steps needed to build a kernel with initrd? I haven't done one in a while... |
| 17:53.10 | FromTO | I am setting up my new laptop and trying to install grdb but it says cannot find gtk+ pacakge but libgtk2 is installed any ideas |
| 17:53.20 | caphuso | mikmu: --initrd |
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| 17:53.48 | Lee__ | FromTO, does it need the -dev package too? |
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| 17:54.06 | HPS`Fresh | guys. where can i read about ati mobility x300 drivers? |
| 17:54.26 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 17:54.26 | dpkg | i heard fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 17:54.29 | HPS`Fresh | some thing like debian-ati HOW-TO |
| 17:54.43 | FromTO | Lee_: does not say that. But I am installing it now to see .. |
| 17:54.48 | HPS`Fresh | valdyn 10nx |
| 17:55.08 | Vincent | I would like to change the ownership of my usbkey /dev/sdc, how should I do ? |
| 17:55.17 | FromTO | Lee_ the same error occurs |
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| 17:55.34 | Vincent | From root to my account |
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| 17:55.41 | Exit83 | chown |
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| 17:55.48 | Lee__ | FromTO, there's no package by that name in sarge. how are you installing it? |
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| 17:56.38 | FromTO | I downloaded it from twocows. It is suppose to set some graphical parameters for applications from the gnome theme |
| 17:56.41 | cahoot | Vincent: why? |
| 17:57.03 | silvinho | Vincent: what are you looking to accomplish by changing ownership of the device itself ? |
| 17:57.12 | pingouin | if i change my keyboard, where i have to say - for X and console - that it's an x number of key, type etc.. ? please, thank you |
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| 17:57.20 | Lee__ | FromTO, oh god! well. it's outside Debian so you should ask twocows about installation support. |
| 17:57.34 | FromTO | Lee_: I have used this in my old system and it worked fine |
| 17:57.36 | Vincent | cahoot: I would like to be able to format it with the basic user... should I just change the permissions ? |
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| 17:58.11 | Vincent | silvinho: I am very new at linux, and I never formated anything with it |
| 17:58.56 | silvinho | Vincent: it's not standard practice to allow regular users to format drives imho, the saftey net is in letting only the super user do it |
| 17:58.57 | aubergine | is 2.8.16 the newest kernel? |
| 17:59.03 | evilbulgarian | hi, i keep getting "zone foo.com/IN: refresh: failure trying master XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX#53: timed out" i also get a time out when i do dig @nsprimary testdomina.com but when i do dig +tcp @nsprimary testdomina.com it works, nmap reports port 53 udp as open|filtered can someone please help me trace this problem ISP says that its not blocking any ports? |
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| 17:59.22 | silvinho | aubergine: 2.6.15-rc5 look on kerne.org |
| 17:59.31 | ivanfrey | ;-) |
| 17:59.45 | aubergine | sry i mean 2.6.16 |
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| 18:00.16 | Vincent | silvinho: ok, what I want to do is to have two partitions on my usb key, a fat32 and an ext |
| 18:00.24 | silvinho | k |
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| 18:00.43 | Vincent | silvinho: I lauch cfdisk /dev/sdc as root user, to change the parameters |
| 18:00.50 | silvinho | k |
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| 18:00.57 | silvinho | evilbulgarian: what dns server are you running ? |
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| 18:01.09 | evilbulgarian | silvinho: bind9 from sarge |
| 18:01.14 | christianp | TheCollector, File not found: 'frameno.avi' |
| 18:01.15 | christianp | Failed to open frameno.avi |
| 18:01.15 | christianp | No file given |
| 18:01.15 | christianp | Exiting... (error parsing cmdline) |
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| 18:01.19 | pingouin | what is the package that control keyboard ? |
| 18:01.24 | hawking | keyb |
| 18:01.25 | silvinho | hmm |
| 18:01.30 | pingouin | dpkg-reconfigure keyb ? |
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| 18:01.45 | evilbulgarian | silvinho: 9.2.4-1 |
| 18:01.48 | silvinho | evilbulgarian: funky so where is your nameserver located, behind a fw, explain network config |
| 18:01.51 | Vincent | silvinho: create two partirions, then launch mkefs /dev/sdc2 as root, because I created two primary partitions |
| 18:01.57 | Vincent | and it does not work |
| 18:02.06 | silvinho | what happens ? |
| 18:02.17 | evilbulgarian | silvinho: fw and bind on same box but 53 tcp/udp open on fw |
| 18:02.50 | TheCollector | christianp: yeah, I got that using acidrip |
| 18:03.01 | Laibsch | Anybody have an idea why "LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 aptitude" works fine and "LC_CTYPE=de_DE.utf8 aptitude" displays strange characters where the boxes should be displayed -> http://home.arcor.de/leggewie/ncurses.png. locale -a shows both locales |
| 18:03.18 | Vincent | I can see the /dev/sdc , sdc1 and sdc2 |
| 18:03.30 | ekix | hello. my friends is installing sarge (x86) into a machine with ich7 sata-controller and the installer's kernel does not support it. can he use etch's/sid's installer to install stable or what to do? :) |
| 18:03.33 | silvinho | i mean, do you get an error |
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| 18:03.44 | ekix | s/friends/friend/ |
| 18:03.53 | Vincent | silvinho: it might be because I am using Ubuntu, and it does not automount it correctly |
| 18:03.59 | silvinho | ekix: did he boot it with 'linux26' ? |
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| 18:04.17 | silvinho | Vincent: whats going wrong with mkfs ? |
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| 18:04.49 | Vincent | silvinho: nothing went wrong |
| 18:05.04 | silvinho | you said it doesn't work |
| 18:05.10 | Vincent | silvinho: Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done |
| 18:05.19 | silvinho | did you then mount the filesystem ? |
| 18:05.41 | Vincent | well I put the key and waited for it to automount |
| 18:05.51 | jdier_ | I have lost my xfce desktop (meaning the wallpaper and the right click menu) Anyone have a clue how to get it all back? |
| 18:05.58 | Vincent | silvinho: |
| 18:06.01 | Vincent | sorry |
| 18:06.07 | silvinho | heh vincent... you need to setup automount i think (not an ubuntu expert) |
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| 18:06.08 | Eulex | Vincent, ubuntu != debian |
| 18:06.14 | ekix | silvinho, he's using netinstall cd which has 2.6.12-1 kernel?! |
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| 18:06.31 | silvinho | ekix: odd, find out the sata chipset he's using and see what kernel has support for it |
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| 18:06.36 | Vincent | silvinho: df tell me that there exist only sdd and sdd1 when I put the usb key again, no sdd2 |
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| 18:07.13 | Vincent | but in /dev the sdd2 still exist |
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| 18:07.32 | nukeu666 | what kernel does this have? "debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso" |
| 18:07.33 | Eulex | jdier_, just start xfdesktop |
| 18:07.35 | Lee__ | would anyone know of an unofficial .deb of libapache-mod-jk compiled against apache 2.0 in sarge? |
| 18:07.42 | quad3datwork2 | need a recommendation on shell script book. will be using it more like a reference so ampful of examples/solutions is a must. needs to cover sed, awk, bash. any thoughts? |
| 18:07.47 | Eulex | nukeu666, 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 18:07.47 | folkert | Does anyone know how to change the default (and butt ugly) toolbar icons in openoffice 2.0 in xfce4 on debian unstable? |
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| 18:08.17 | jdier_ | thank you |
| 18:08.20 | silvinho | Vincent: df tells you what is mounted, so clearly the second partition isn't mounted, read the manpage for 'mount' |
| 18:08.36 | nukeu666 | 2.4.27 doesnt detect my sata disk and 2.6.8 doesnt detect my cdburner...any solution of what i can do? |
| 18:08.46 | Eulex | Vincent, things may work differently on ubuntu than it does on debian and thus our advice might not be correct. |
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| 18:09.05 | Vincent | Eulex: I am asking my question on ubuntu, now |
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| 18:09.34 | Eulex | Vincent, good |
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| 18:12.18 | learnfromscratch | i dont want xscreensaver to start during start up.. i dont find an entry for it in rcconf.. i use xfce4... how do i turn it off ? |
| 18:12.26 | jdier | I am getting an error every time I start xfce: There is already a system tray running on this screen |
| 18:12.53 | Eulex | nukeu666, may just be a matter of loading the correct modules. if you're feeling brave you could try the etch beta installer, which I think uses a newer kernel |
| 18:13.00 | xam | Laibsch: it always displays the odd text graphics for me when using any UTF8 (the same applies to dselect). I tried the same en_US.utf8 settings as you, and it still appears |
| 18:13.08 | Eulex | learnfromscratch, check the screensaver settings in the settings manager |
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| 18:13.25 | Eulex | jdier, you've got a system tray in both the panel and taskbar. |
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| 18:13.47 | jdier | Eulex, I am not sure I know what you mean. |
| 18:14.19 | jdier | Eulex, also, on my reboot, my background went back to brown and my menu was gone again. |
| 18:14.36 | Eulex | jdier, it means just what it says. have you got two sessions of xfce running at the same time under the same user? |
| 18:14.42 | Eulex | jdier, did you save your session? |
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| 18:14.59 | mikmu | survey, do people here generally recompile their kernel, stripping everything but their required hardware out, or do is the default kernel config generally left alone? Is stripping it down generally not worth the effort, and a little too gentooish? |
| 18:15.00 | learnfromscratch | Eulex: i dont have screensaver settings in settings manager |
| 18:15.04 | HPS`Fresh | hm.. so strange... can anybody tell my is fglxr support mobility x300? as far as i see - it isn`t so (http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/fglrx-driver) |
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| 18:15.06 | Vincent | Silv |
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| 18:15.19 | jdier | Eulex, thanks for the help! - How do I tell if I have two seesions of xfce running? |
| 18:15.33 | Eulex | mikmu, not worth it at all |
| 18:15.41 | Vincent | silvinho: can you just take a llok at http://pastebin.com/463977, this what dmesg told me, after my insertion of the key ... |
| 18:15.47 | jdier | Eulex, I am not sure how to save my session prior to logging out (but I should be able to google that one) |
| 18:16.10 | Eulex | learnfromscratch, strange. there should be an init script somewhere that starts it. I don't remember the name of it, though |
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| 18:16.28 | Eulex | jdier, check the save session check box when logging out of xfce |
| 18:16.30 | mikmu | Eulex: ok, so when compiling a new kernel, taking the stock sarge kernel config and doing a make oldconfig is fine then I assume |
| 18:17.10 | silvinho | Vincent: wow that's not good, um reformat that partition |
| 18:17.18 | jdier | Eulex -> xfce is set up to automatically save session. When I click quit I do not get choice to save anything, it just goes dark. |
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| 18:18.14 | Eulex | jdier, if you have two sessions running, you should know it. as I said before, this error may also happen when you have the systray plugin in the panel and try to start xftaskbar4 |
| 18:18.14 | Vincent | silvinho: I do cfdisk /dev/sdc, the mke2fs ? |
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| 18:18.54 | Eulex | mikmu, yes, if you create a suitable initrd, that is |
| 18:18.57 | silvinho | Vincent: i think the parition table is fine, just make a new fs |
| 18:19.13 | HPS`Fresh | sorry. i have fall out |
| 18:19.17 | jdier | Eulex, I used gnome-system-monitor and found the second session and killed it. |
| 18:19.20 | xam | Vincent: that looks more like a hardware error |
| 18:19.26 | Vincent | cfdisk only create the partition table ? so my FAT32 too is not ready to use, right ? |
| 18:19.30 | Eulex | jdier, I don't think I ever heard about that setting. where do you see that? btw, what version of xfce? |
| 18:19.34 | Eulex | jdier, ah |
| 18:19.36 | HPS`Fresh | what about fglrx? |
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| 18:19.51 | jdier | Eulex 4.2.2 |
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| 18:20.05 | Eulex | HPS`Fresh, fglrx works here on a mobility x300 with 128mb gfxmem |
| 18:20.14 | valdyn | HPS`Fresh: why dont you try? |
| 18:20.40 | jdier | Eulex - X menu > Settings > Xfce 4 sessions and start up settings |
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| 18:21.13 | HPS`Fresh | valdyn becouse i`m going to buy a notebook :) with this one, and i have not it yes :) |
| 18:21.18 | HPS`Fresh | yes == yet |
| 18:21.24 | valdyn | HPS`Fresh: i see |
| 18:21.37 | silvinho | Vincent: dude you need to read the docs. cfdisk = creates partition of whatever type you want (ext3, ntfs, fat32), then you have to mount it with the 'mount' command which takes a -t arguement with the fstype, read 'man mount' for the fs types. for example mounting a ext3 partition you would do mount -t ext3 /dev/sdd2 /mnt/whatever, and that would mount the sdd2 partition in the ffolder /mnt/whatever |
| 18:21.39 | HPS`Fresh | so.... guys |
| 18:21.41 | Eulex | jdier, hmm. could you try unchecking that and saving the session manually when logging out? |
| 18:21.46 | Eulex | HPS`Fresh, what laptop? |
| 18:22.01 | HPS`Fresh | there can i find i nice how-to? |
| 18:22.11 | HPS`Fresh | Eulex dell d610 latitude |
| 18:22.28 | HPS`Fresh | Eulex have you something to tell about it? |
| 18:22.35 | valdyn | !laptops |
| 18:22.36 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 18:23.10 | HPS`Fresh | valdyn hm... your bot is toooooo clever :) |
| 18:23.11 | xam | silvinho: you forgot the mkfs part. And that the partition fs type is usually quite useless, as linux most often ignores it. |
| 18:23.28 | valdyn | dpkg, who owns you |
| 18:23.28 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 18:23.37 | HPS`Fresh | :) |
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| 18:24.41 | Eulex | HPS`Fresh, I've got an inspiron 6000. not that many laptops do have an x300, so there was a chance that you were gonna buy the same laptop as I have. at least it was the same brand. |
| 18:25.01 | silvinho | xam: heh right thx |
| 18:25.09 | silvinho | trying to do too many things at once |
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| 18:26.31 | HPS`Fresh | Eulex you see, i have already choose a store, who will sell nice one for.. hm.. let me think.. some about $1440 |
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| 18:27.19 | HPS`Fresh | Eulex, now the only one problem is were can i get some money :) i just want do it as faster as i can :) |
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| 18:27.51 | Vincent | silvinho: I did what you told me, but dmesg gave me : VFS: Can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev sdc2, while I did cfdisk ane mke2fs |
| 18:28.09 | Eulex | HPS`Fresh, hehe |
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| 18:28.34 | xam | Vincent: silvinho forgot to tell you that you have to do a 'mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdc2' before you can use it |
| 18:28.52 | HPS`Fresh | guys, what do you think, Fujitsu-Siemens S7010 vs. Dell Latitude D610. witch one is beter? |
| 18:29.04 | silvinho | Vincent: listen to xam he's on this |
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| 18:29.38 | xam | Vincent: if you really *did* a mkfs.ext2 then it should work, otherwise there is something seriously wrong |
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| 18:30.41 | HPS`Fresh | we also can be wider in our looks. fujitsu siemens versus dell. who is the winer? |
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| 18:31.07 | Vincent | xam: I did as root mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdc2, and then mount -t ext2 /dev/sdc2 /media/test |
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| 18:32.44 | HPS`Fresh | nobody know it? so sad.... so sad... it`s a sad sad situation.... |
| 18:32.45 | xam | Vincent: and it gave you that error message? That is very strange indeed. Together with the log you provided earlier I'd say there might be some hardware issue, either your hdd is fucked or there is something wrong with the connection to the hdd |
| 18:33.10 | Vincent | xam:it is an usbdisk, but outside from this |
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| 18:33.42 | ciccione | hello |
| 18:33.44 | xam | Vincent: of course there is always the possibility of a bug in the kernel (driver). But usb-storage should be quite stable |
| 18:33.59 | Vincent | xam: the first partition is mounted... |
| 18:34.06 | ciccione | it's possible to tell apt-get install to install a "list" of packages? contained in a file for example? |
| 18:34.57 | silvinho | ciccione: apt-get install `cat list_of_packages.txt` |
| 18:35.29 | ciccione | tanx silvinho |
| 18:35.34 | xam | Vincent: mhhh, strange. Did you try to clear all data on /dev/sdc2 first? I once had a very strange, similar error. I was able to fix it with a 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc2 bs=2048k' |
| 18:35.59 | xam | Vincent: after that do a mkfs.ext2 again, and try to mount it |
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| 18:36.52 | Vincent | ok I guess I will continue to have only one fat32 on my usb key... I wanted to give an other fs a try, but... |
| 18:37.05 | cvardar | I want to get debian, but when I look at the downlaod site I see 14 CDs instead of 3 CDs, what should I download? |
| 18:37.20 | xam | Vincent: btw, did you reboot or at least unplug the usb hdd after changing the partition table? the kernel might still use the old information and get confused |
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| 18:37.49 | Vincent | dd: writing `/dev/sdc2': No space left on device |
| 18:37.56 | Vincent | xam: it tellsme this |
| 18:38.25 | nukeu666 | what module do i have to install on 2.4 kernel to get sata support? |
| 18:38.28 | xam | Vincent: okay, basically it means it is finished zeroing all data on /dev/sdc2 |
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| 18:38.49 | f3d3ux | is any Italians there??? |
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| 18:39.07 | wouterrr | hello |
| 18:39.08 | wouterrr | make: *** No rule to make target `binary-makedeb', needed by `binary/mozilla-mplayer'. Stop. |
| 18:39.11 | wouterrr | how can i solve this? |
| 18:39.16 | fbi | cvardar: you only need the first cd if you have a network, or you can download a net-install or business card sized image. |
| 18:39.19 | wouterrr | where in godsname can i find binary-makedeb? |
| 18:39.22 | fbi | !tell f3d3ux about it |
| 18:39.31 | bucky | cvardar, get the netinstall iso |
| 18:39.40 | bucky | !tell cvardar about d-i |
| 18:39.48 | cvardar | fbi: i cannot install over the net cause the device doe snot have a network conenction |
| 18:39.54 | cheal | cvardar: what do you mean by 3 CDs? |
| 18:40.16 | fbi | cvardar: you're better off getting debian on dvd |
| 18:40.20 | cheal | cvardar: you should download as many as you want/need |
| 18:40.42 | xinming | how to disable the shebang line output for m4 if changed a .m4 file into executable? |
| 18:40.42 | Vincent | xam: I try to do what you told me, but unfortunately it is not working... I will put a big FAT32 partition :-( |
| 18:40.50 | Vincent | I surrender |
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| 18:41.06 | cvardar | my sole aim is to run an application that we are developing on QT, application is a GUI + OpenGL |
| 18:41.24 | xam | Vincent: I once had a usb key that came with some 'security software' preinstalled that would hide you precious data on a hidden partition (using some screwed up partition table). Even clearing and creating a new, empty partition table with fdisk didn't work. But after using 'dd' on the *whole* usb key device, creating a new partition table under linux with (c)fdisk and mkfs, everything... |
| 18:41.26 | xam | ...worked fine |
| 18:41.43 | cvardar | so is nt there a smaller edition? |
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| 18:42.17 | Vincent | xam: ok I am trying this |
| 18:43.27 | cvardar | any asnwer? |
| 18:43.30 | xam | Vincent: it was a pain in the ass, we got 17 usb keys, and everyone needed a 'dd if=/dev/zero /dev/sdc' ... took quite some time |
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| 18:45.07 | Vincent | xam: is it the right thing to create two primary partitions ? |
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| 18:45.27 | xam | Vincent: yes, you can create up to 4 primary partitions |
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| 18:46.17 | wouterrr | what in godsname is binary-makedeb |
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| 18:46.21 | wouterrr | i've got cdbs installed |
| 18:46.58 | Vincent | xam: tried everything... not working |
| 18:47.00 | jelly | wouterrr: this sounds like something from a source build. |
| 18:47.15 | Vincent | xam: VFS: Can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev sdc2. |
| 18:47.43 | xam | Vincent: then I guess it is either a hardware incompatibility issue, or a kernel bug ... |
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| 18:48.26 | wouterrr | jelly: so? |
| 18:48.37 | xam | Vincent what about /dev/sdc1? what kind of filesystem is that? |
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| 18:49.40 | jelly | wouterrr: well, the name suggests it's a build target, not a program. |
| 18:49.59 | wouterrr | it's mozilla-mplayer, i need gtk support so i changed debian/rules |
| 18:50.05 | wouterrr | how can i build the package ? |
| 18:50.09 | wouterrr | i've tried multiple switches |
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| 18:50.12 | Vincent | xam: sdc1 is created as ext2, while I asked for a fat32 |
| 18:50.24 | jelly | wouterrr: forgot to install build-deps? |
| 18:50.42 | wouterrr | don't know, thanks for your time |
| 18:50.43 | wouterrr | i/m off |
| 18:50.57 | xam | Vincent: you *did* remove the usb key after messing with its partition table, right? |
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| 18:52.38 | SerajewelKS | xam: doesn't fdisk tell the kernel to reload the partition table? |
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| 18:53.00 | xam | SerajewelKS: the kernel often cannot do this |
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| 18:53.25 | jimmmm | hello !!!! |
| 18:53.33 | jimmmm | anybody is here |
| 18:53.48 | jimmmm | ??? |
| 18:53.59 | xam | SerajewelKS: eg. try do modify a partition table of a scsi disk, which is the same disk you booted from. Good luck. |
| 18:54.04 | Vincent | xam: If an unmount and remount my key, df does not update its result |
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| 18:55.25 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 18:55.50 | xam | Vincent: I mean did you *physically* deattach it from and replug it into the computer? |
| 18:55.56 | Vincent | xam: yes |
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| 18:56.24 | SerajewelKS | xam: well, a usb key generally isn't the one you boot from |
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| 18:57.42 | samueltc | hi |
| 18:58.02 | Vincent | xam: I will try only with an ext partition |
| 18:58.03 | xam | SerajewelKS: that was just one example, there might be more out there. Anyway it doesn't hurt to force the kernel to reload the partition table after messing with it (which doesn't happen often anyway) if you can easily de/reattach the storage device |
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| 18:58.26 | xam | Vincent: well, sorry I couldn't be of any help |
| 18:58.50 | samueltc | It's possible to set an interface up without attribuating an ip address? Sort of ifconfig eth1 0? |
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| 18:59.36 | soymilk | anyone know an app that can edit mp3's ? |
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| 18:59.53 | soymilk | a graphical one... |
| 18:59.53 | xam | samueltc: how did you know? ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up |
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| 19:00.14 | samueltc | xam: using the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 19:00.32 | al6bert | how can i install my new soundcard under linux? |
| 19:00.51 | Eulex | soymilk, audacity |
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| 19:01.06 | soymilk | Eulex: i'm trying it but it seems not to be able to edit |
| 19:01.11 | Eulex | al6bert, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
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| 19:01.18 | Eulex | soymilk, hmm |
| 19:01.25 | al6bert | thanks |
| 19:01.43 | soymilk | Eulex: for example, I can't delete a range i've selected. there is no option to delete |
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| 19:02.03 | Eulex | al6bert, alsaconf should detect it. and the line above also takes care of if alsa ain't installed. |
| 19:02.03 | jdier | Eulex, I blew away all of my .config and .cache and started over and I have solved most of the problems. I am still getting the message that I have two panels running and I cannot figure where they are launching from. |
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| 19:02.41 | jdier | Eulex, I also wanted to know if you know where I can tell xfce to look for a custom desktop menu. |
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| 19:03.01 | soymilk | Eulex: oh. i got it. it was paused, not stopped. you can't delete if its only paused. |
| 19:03.40 | Vincent | xam: if I create only an ext2 partition, I can see only one directory there: lost+found, and even as root I can not have write access to it |
| 19:03.47 | Vincent | "not enough space" |
| 19:03.54 | Eulex | jdier, very strange that two panels are launched. for the menu, you could use the menu editor. the part of it marked --- system --- is built from .desktop files in /usr/share/applications |
| 19:04.05 | Eulex | soymilk, ah |
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| 19:05.14 | bucky | jdier, cat .xsession and see if you have two directives for the panel |
| 19:05.40 | Vincent | xam: when I try with qtparted it tells me that it can not create a new partition table |
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| 19:05.59 | jdier | bucky, no such directory |
| 19:06.14 | bucky | jdier, is this xfce4 ? |
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| 19:06.24 | jdier | Bucky yes 4.2.2 |
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| 19:06.49 | al6bert | Eulex, what can i do if it's a "no suported PnP or pci card found" |
| 19:06.57 | bucky | jdier, run /usr/bin/xfce4_setup as user |
| 19:07.18 | roler | what is the easiest way to make an image of my hard drive in linux (the whole thing, including my windows partition) into a file so that I can upload it to my server for safe keeping in case my laptop ever dies? I would also like to verify that this file could be extracted to a hard drive of another size if needed. |
| 19:07.21 | jdier | Eulux, I can create menus. In fact I have the one that I was using prior to wiping my .cache and .config. What I want to do is find the pointer that tells xfce what file to use for the desktop menu |
| 19:08.11 | jdier | /usr/bin/xfce-mcs-manager |
| 19:08.12 | jdier | /usr/bin/xfwm4 --daemon |
| 19:08.12 | jdier | /usr/bin/xftaskbar4 & |
| 19:08.12 | jdier | /usr/bin/xfdesktop & |
| 19:08.12 | jdier | exec /usr/bin/xfce4-panel |
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| 19:08.36 | Eulex | al6bert, try running lspci. and http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/. |
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| 19:09.30 | jdier_ | bucky, now I just vi it and take the last line out. right? |
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| 19:09.37 | bucky | jdier don't flood |
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| 19:10.08 | bucky | jdier_, did you log out and back in since you ran xfce4_setup ? |
| 19:10.14 | jdier_ | no |
| 19:10.19 | bucky | try that |
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| 19:10.39 | martoss | hi there |
| 19:11.04 | martoss | what does configure wants to tell me with: |
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| 19:11.21 | Eulex | jdier_, the menu stuff is in ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/ |
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| 19:11.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:11.40 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:11.46 | martoss | checking for int... yes |
| 19:11.46 | martoss | checking size of int... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (int), 77 |
| 19:11.46 | martoss | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 19:11.53 | bucky | martoss, don't flood |
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| 19:13.00 | martoss | bucky: ok |
| 19:13.06 | jdier | bucky, logged back in. |
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| 19:13.20 | jdier | bucky, still have same error |
| 19:13.35 | bucky | jdier, which version of debian are you using? |
| 19:14.32 | jdier | bucky - sorry that I am a newb, I do not know. i know that I am running breezy badger ubuntu |
| 19:14.44 | azeem | jdier: try #ubuntu |
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| 19:14.53 | bucky | jdier, that's the problem... xfce4 works in debian |
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| 19:15.21 | jdier | I was under the impression that Ubuntu was a debian derivative |
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| 19:15.51 | mith | jdier: it is |
| 19:15.52 | bucky | jdier, ubuntu is a different disto and they have their own irc channel |
| 19:16.02 | mith | jdier: but ubuntu != debian |
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| 19:16.23 | cowboybeep | hi all... |
| 19:16.26 | jdier | bucky, thanks for the help you have been a great help. Eulux too. I am much farther along now. |
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| 19:16.39 | mith | jdier: if ford copied the design of a toyota car model would you take the car to a toyota dealer for repairs instead? exactly |
| 19:17.04 | cowboybeep | help needed for python libraries.. someone with patience can help me? |
| 19:17.05 | mith | i just wanted to make a shitty car analogy. |
| 19:17.22 | jdier | mith - mission accomplished |
| 19:17.37 | panther | He guys I know i sinned but i tried to mess around with Suselinux because Debain crashed his X server (i know how to repair) and did a reinstall. But compiling did work great on Suse...is compiling on debain better? |
| 19:18.05 | cowboybeep | ù |
| 19:18.12 | bucky | martoss what are you trying to make? |
| 19:18.20 | martoss | twinkle |
| 19:18.35 | al6bert | Eulex, I notice in the page you tell me than I need snd-cmipci,cmpci |
| 19:18.45 | bucky | martoss, what is twinkle? |
| 19:18.51 | al6bert | where I find it? |
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| 19:19.15 | bucky | !debain |
| 19:19.15 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 19:19.30 | Eulex | al6bert, ok. modprobe snd-cmipci. that's the alsa driver. |
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| 19:20.14 | cowboybeep | help needed for python libraries.. someone with patience can help me? |
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| 19:20.54 | cowboybeep | help needed for python libraries.. someone with patience can help me? |
| 19:20.55 | cowboybeep | help needed for python libraries.. someone with patience can help me? |
| 19:20.59 | cowboybeep | aaaaaaaaa |
| 19:21.09 | aynjrz | How can I get the kernel sources for Debian Etch? (2.6.12) |
| 19:21.19 | homekneet | !tell cowboybeep about ask |
| 19:21.35 | fbi | aynjrz: apt-cache search linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 19:21.39 | djp | i am using rsync to backup my /home directory. it backs up to /mnt/backup. this directory has permissions for my user. when it backs up it backs up the home directories for 2 other users. is that the correct way to do the backup? or should i setup rsync backups for each individual user? |
| 19:21.43 | fbi | cowboybeep: stop repeating |
| 19:21.56 | zorten | !unrar |
| 19:21.56 | dpkg | hmm... unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 19:22.01 | comforteagle | Newb Q: first debian box - how can I update a package, my case mysql, to a specific version? I'm trying to move from a db from fedora to deb & need the mysql4.1 version |
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| 19:23.03 | martoss | i also tried to use automake |
| 19:23.05 | aynjrz | fbi: kernel source is there all right, but what does it mean? Is it installed? |
| 19:23.07 | mooed | rar sucks |
| 19:23.10 | martoss | twinkle is a softphone |
| 19:23.13 | martoss | voip |
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| 19:23.19 | fbi | aynjrz: how should i know? it's not my server |
| 19:23.24 | mr50 | comforteagle: there may be different packages |
| 19:23.28 | al6bert | Eulex, Sorry because I'm a ignorant. modprobe: can't locate module snd-cmi-pci |
| 19:23.29 | fbi | aynjrz: dpkg -l foo | grep ii |
| 19:23.34 | mr50 | comforteagle: ie. mysql4 and mysql5 |
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| 19:24.03 | Eulex | al6bert, what kernel are you running? |
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| 19:24.16 | mr50 | comforteagle: lemme check, what release are you using |
| 19:24.24 | comforteagle | mr50, this would be from 4.0 to 4.1 |
| 19:24.42 | comforteagle | mr50, 4.0 is on the deb box now. |
| 19:25.32 | mr50 | comforteagle: but are you using stable, testing...? |
| 19:25.34 | bucky | martoss, do you have imagemagick installed ? |
| 19:26.04 | martoss | hmm |
| 19:26.14 | cowboybeep | i have this kind of problem: when i try to install bittorrent, or twisted (required by anothe application) i get this line: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)..naturally when i try to do python setup.py install |
| 19:26.18 | al6bert | Eulex, My kernel is 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 19:26.23 | martoss | imagemagick 6:6.2.3.4 |
| 19:26.40 | Eulex | al6bert, then you need to (a) install the alsa-modules for your kernel (b) upgrade to 2.6.x |
| 19:26.48 | bucky | martoss, it's a dep for klick and the only reference to that error i could find had to do with imagemagick |
| 19:26.49 | mr50 | comforteagle: there are two different package sets in unstable, mysql-(client|server|)-4.1 and mysql-(client|server|)-5.0 |
| 19:27.03 | bucky | martoss, apt-get install libmagick++9 libmagick++9-dev |
| 19:27.25 | bucky | or whatever your imagemagick version is |
| 19:27.40 | comforteagle | unstable. gotcha, so just permit the unstable repos for apt? mr50 |
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| 19:28.06 | aynjrz | Can't find kernel sources on my system, nor any reference to 2.6.12 sources in aptitude; is the package just labelled kernel-source the one to choose? |
| 19:28.25 | mr50 | comforteagle: dunno, search here http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages for packages for your release (stable, unstable, etc) |
| 19:28.27 | cowboybeep | i have this kind of problem: when i try to install bittorrent, or twisted (required by anothe application) i get this line: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)..naturally when i try to do python setup.py install |
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| 19:28.45 | RichiH_ | aynjrz: it's called linux-source these days |
| 19:28.54 | RichiH_ | aynjrz: no 2.6.12, though |
| 19:28.55 | cowboybeep | i tried to install again python... nothing solved |
| 19:29.00 | fbi | cowboybeep: seriously. stop repeating. |
| 19:29.08 | martoss | bucky: which reference? I have no idea what this could have to do with imagemagick |
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| 19:29.24 | cowboybeep | fbi i try on your private :) |
| 19:29.26 | aynjrz | RichiH: I see it; I think it's the linux-tree-2.whatever - thanks |
| 19:29.32 | fbi | *plonk* |
| 19:29.36 | mr50 | comforteagle: in stable there are mysql-* packages and mysql-*-4.1 packages, so you would have to uninstall the - and install the 4.1 to move up |
| 19:29.44 | fbi | aynjrz: i already told you what the package was called. install it. |
| 19:30.04 | mr50 | comforteagle: I don't know about installing unstable packages on stable or testing, might not be a good idea if it's a production box |
| 19:30.07 | cowboybeep | naturally i haven't seen it... i'llok for it.. |
| 19:30.21 | comforteagle | mr50, it isn't production... yet. |
| 19:30.32 | bucky | martoss, http://studio.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-bugs/2002-May/000235.html |
| 19:31.05 | cowboybeep | aynjrz: dpkg -l foo | grep ii? |
| 19:31.06 | bucky | martoss, http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4475/captured9ht.jpg |
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| 19:31.14 | mr50 | comforteagle: well stick with stable then, and install the 4.1 packages, remove the straight mysql packages. |
| 19:31.17 | bucky | martoss, those two |
| 19:31.23 | VENENNO | hola |
| 19:31.30 | fbi | !tell VENENNO about es |
| 19:31.36 | martoss | ok, thats what i found too... |
| 19:31.39 | martoss | i'll try it |
| 19:31.41 | cowboybeep | err.... fbi... |
| 19:31.44 | bucky | martoss, http://klik.atekon.de/docs/ Dependancy Hell |
| 19:31.52 | cowboybeep | i cant find it |
| 19:31.58 | cowboybeep | aynjrz: dpkg -l foo | grep ii? |
| 19:31.59 | VENENNO | hello |
| 19:31.59 | cowboybeep | this? |
| 19:32.03 | nix | cowboybeep: apt-get install python-dev or python2.3-dev |
| 19:32.10 | comforteagle | mr50, so after I remove the mysql that is there, how do I install the mysql 4.1 vers specifically? |
| 19:32.12 | cowboybeep | uhm |
| 19:32.13 | mr50 | comforteagle: e.g. "apt-get remove mysql-server mysql-client" then "apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1" |
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| 19:32.21 | cowboybeep | i'll try thanks :) |
| 19:32.23 | comforteagle | mr50, awesome! |
| 19:32.34 | kisielk | anyone know of a good console Jabber application? |
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| 19:32.43 | VENENNO | hello |
| 19:32.49 | VENENNO | hola |
| 19:32.51 | mr50 | comforteagle: pay attention to the output from apt-get, it will show you what it's going to do, but that should work okay for you |
| 19:32.59 | aynjrz | fbi & cowboybeep: thank you - I've installed the sources |
| 19:33.02 | comforteagle | mr50, will do |
| 19:33.12 | fbi | VENENNO: start talking Debian, leave, or stop typing. |
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| 19:36.10 | mooed | question, anyone know's how to umount the cd drive running knoppix? |
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| 19:36.26 | azeem | mooed: try #knoppix |
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| 19:36.46 | mooed | also, thx |
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| 19:36.48 | cowboybeep | yeeeeeeeeeees it worked! :) |
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| 19:36.59 | cowboybeep | tx u :) |
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| 19:40.43 | cowboybeep | err.. now i have this kind of problem.. always 4 the same program.. when i do make install... "Your system does not appear to have GTK " but i have it on my pc.. |
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| 19:40.57 | Eulex | cowboybeep, install the -dev packages... |
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| 19:41.13 | cowboybeep | can i do it from synaptic? the exact name is? |
| 19:41.30 | nukeu666 | do an aptcache search for GTK devel |
| 19:41.33 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i got a lil question :) i have internet running, and it uses dhcp, but last times, my isp is bit unstable, and then my server doesn't renew his ip after dhcp went death for some time, is there any solution to fix this ? |
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| 19:42.05 | oldsparky | 'sera |
| 19:42.46 | EdibleText | |DuReX|, you man find something in 'man dhclient.conf' |
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| 19:42.51 | cowboybeep | what is aptcache search? sorry for my noob |
| 19:42.56 | EdibleText | may find* |
| 19:43.29 | nukeu666 | apt-cache search GTK|grep devel |
| 19:43.31 | |DuReX| | EdibleText: i red it, but i don't get any wiser :s don't really know what i should change |
| 19:43.35 | cowboybeep | i' ll try |
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| 19:44.44 | cowboybeep | o.. i have the gtk dev of a lot ok kinds.. perhaps i 've not setted them well |
| 19:44.55 | cowboybeep | of |
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| 19:46.01 | cowboybeep | nuke are u there? |
| 19:46.50 | bnoji | I'm having an odd problem with an e1000 NIC. I get what seems to be random dropouts, and then in dmesg i see "e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex" |
| 19:47.02 | bnoji | ssh sessions are dropped. |
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| 19:47.38 | cowboybeep | i'll try looking arond.. thanks & bye |
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| 19:48.05 | muus | new movies in google gave me this |
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| 19:50.06 | kingsley | How does one find out which address provides the RSS feed for a website, like /. for example? |
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| 19:50.23 | nukeu666 | what do i have to install to have proper sata support in 2.4 kernel? |
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| 19:50.40 | nukeu666 | kings:there will be a rss link on the page if its possible |
| 19:51.00 | xychix | i've got a running debian BUT it has no working cd / floppy how to reinstall debian on the same machine ? |
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| 19:51.29 | cusco | net |
| 19:51.33 | cusco | netinstall |
| 19:51.35 | cusco | oh |
| 19:51.37 | cusco | er |
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| 19:53.07 | leonel | how can I install the same packages from machine A to B |
| 19:53.25 | leonel | can it be done with dpkg --get-selections o get-selecctions ? |
| 19:54.18 | kingsley | nukeu666: OK. Thanks. |
| 19:55.08 | bucky | nukeu666, how are you running now without sata? |
| 19:55.14 | xychix | cusco: don;t i need to boot from something else than the hd then ? |
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| 19:55.48 | cusco | I don't have a minimum idea... |
| 19:55.55 | xychix | ok |
| 19:56.15 | panther | Can you guys point me to a beginners compile guide? |
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| 19:57.28 | MrBallZ | panther: get kconfigure and don't worry about anything.... |
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| 19:58.03 | panther | don't worry.....you point and click and everthing goes by it self?????your kidding |
| 19:59.55 | bucky | nukeu666, with a nick like that i would think you could find how to have proper satan support in 2.4 kernel |
| 19:59.55 | cheal | leonel: + --set-selections |
| 20:00.30 | cheal | xychix: debootstrap? |
| 20:00.41 | leonel | cheal, ok dpkg --set-selections |
| 20:00.51 | leonel | cheal, and ? apt-get install or what ? |
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| 20:01.31 | xychix | cheal: hmm i'll google on that never heard of it... |
| 20:01.42 | cheal | leonel: it's a combination of get and set. you generate a file from the machine to clone with get, and you clone using the file and set on the target |
| 20:01.44 | MrBallZ | panther: actually you click like 3 times ... one for configure, another for make, and lastly for checkinstall ... |
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| 20:01.58 | xychix | actually my only problem is that i installed vmware from rpm (alien) and removed it later on |
| 20:02.01 | cheal | xychix: or just apt-cache show debootstrap |
| 20:02.09 | xychix | ok |
| 20:02.48 | leonel | cheal, al ready donde that dpkg --get-selections on machine a and then on B set-selections |
| 20:02.54 | cheal | panther: can you give an idea of what you have to do? |
| 20:03.05 | cheal | leonel: and what, it doesn't work? |
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| 20:03.15 | leonel | cheal, make nothing |
| 20:03.25 | leonel | on a dpkg --get-selections > aa |
| 20:03.27 | leonel | on B |
| 20:03.38 | leonel | cat aa | dpkg --set-selections |
| 20:03.49 | xychix | cheal maybe you can give me a better advise on my problem :) actually my only problem is that i installed vmware from rpm (alien) and removed it later on, now i want to compile it from tar.gz but it says a previous rpm installation was detected and refuses to compile |
| 20:03.57 | cheal | leonel: hum, I was assuming that would work, but I never did it |
| 20:03.57 | xychix | where to look for leftovers ? |
| 20:04.01 | EdibleText | panther, apt-get source --build <pkg name> is about as simple as compiling can get |
| 20:04.04 | cheal | leonel: what does the second command do? |
| 20:04.35 | leonel | nothing |
| 20:04.37 | bnoji | Yay. apcupsd is up and running and recognized the UPS properly! |
| 20:04.39 | cheal | xychix: sorry, I have no idea about alien and vmware |
| 20:04.45 | leonel | just finishes with no errors or messages |
| 20:04.46 | xychix | ok tnx anyway :) |
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| 20:05.29 | cheal | !tell leonel about debian clone |
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| 20:05.59 | lekvar | I'm having a little trouble getting the etch installer to see any of my pcmcia ethernet cards on a thinkpad 600e. They work on another thinkpad with a debian install. Can anyone advise? |
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| 20:06.21 | |fpitt| | Ciao |
| 20:06.25 | leonel | cheal, thanks apt-get dselect-upgrade was missing |
| 20:06.26 | leonel | thanks ! |
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| 20:07.02 | EdibleText | lekvar, other thinkpads with the same pcmcia card? |
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| 20:07.18 | cvardar | are there any .deb packages of qt4? |
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| 20:07.25 | cheal | cvardar: yes |
| 20:07.33 | cvardar | cheal: where? |
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| 20:07.54 | cheal | cvardar: in etch |
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| 20:08.18 | cvardar | i was looking at the distribution packages but there was only qt3 |
| 20:08.23 | thegraham | Little help with mysql: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 20:08.23 | thegraham | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.23 | thegraham | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 20:08.23 | thegraham | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 20:08.23 | thegraham | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 20:08.37 | cheal | cvardar: maybe you were only looking in sarge |
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| 20:08.55 | cvardar | i was looking to the package slist from the main page of debian.org |
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| 20:09.24 | cheal | cvardar: was that packages.d.o? did you try that? |
| 20:09.41 | cvardar | i could not understand you clearly |
| 20:09.48 | cheal | !pdo |
| 20:09.48 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 20:10.01 | leonel | cheal, it's working ! thanks ! |
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| 20:10.10 | cheal | leonel: no problem |
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| 20:10.23 | cvardar | :) |
| 20:10.36 | mik54 | Anyone use portsentry or anything equivelent? |
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| 20:10.56 | firewalker | hi |
| 20:10.57 | firewalker | k tal? |
| 20:10.59 | thegraham | any help with mysql - message posted on #flood |
| 20:11.00 | FarrisG | How do I make certain that a custom module I've built is loaded BEFORE usb_storage? |
| 20:11.01 | cvardar | i was looking eaxtly in that location and foudn only qt3 |
| 20:11.04 | lekvar | sorry if anyone responded i missed it. mozilla keeps crashing this horrible old mac every time i google for answers to this q |
| 20:11.17 | EdibleText | lekvar, other thinkpads with the same pcmcia card? |
| 20:11.20 | bnoji | Is there a suggested way of backing up an LDAP directory that is used 24/7? (I dont have the option of replication yet. |
| 20:11.31 | cheal | thegraham: you have to announce you're going to post on #flood before doing it so that people join the channel |
| 20:11.42 | cheal | thegraham: to avoid that hassle, use a paster |
| 20:12.04 | thegraham | cheal: thanks |
| 20:12.22 | lekvar | EdibleText: Yea I have a 760e that manages to use either of 2 pcmcia cards i have. the modules it uses are in the etch installer's list on the new one too, but it doesn't seem to find the card |
| 20:12.38 | lekvar | i've got one ne2k card and one xircom card |
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| 20:13.25 | EdibleText | lekvar, perhaps a different pcmcia-bus module IIRC there are at least two |
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| 20:13.51 | Discord | have you guys seen apt-get for windows? |
| 20:14.02 | EdibleText | heh |
| 20:14.08 | lekvar | EdibleText: any idea how i control that? |
| 20:14.16 | xychix | what is the apt package to install a basic GUI ? |
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| 20:14.27 | cheal | Discord: yeah, just besides the doors |
| 20:14.29 | thegraham | ok: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1288 |
| 20:14.30 | xychix | x11-common is installed but startx doesn't work yet |
| 20:14.31 | Maulkin | xychix: because you asked it? :) |
| 20:14.46 | Eulex | xychix, you need a server and a de or wm |
| 20:14.55 | Discord | i think its pretty bad ass |
| 20:14.58 | Discord | for a windows app |
| 20:15.06 | cheal | xychix: there are no "apt packages". try installing x-window-system-core |
| 20:15.25 | bpuzon | Hi, whan using apt-get, I'm unable to download some of the ftp archives lists. The http packages are downloaded ok. I checked netstat - there are two connections to respository server - one on ftp port (ESTABILISHED) and one on sth different, hung at SYN_SENT) What ight be the problem? |
| 20:15.33 | Maulkin | thegraham: What's in teh syslog? |
| 20:15.43 | xychix | Eulex: /usr/bin/X11/X no such file or dir..... << first error given by startx command |
| 20:15.58 | Maulkin | bpuzon: You've got a firewall in the way? |
| 20:16.04 | EdibleText | lekvar, during install, at least with woody (i know its old, but i havnt installed sarge or etch on a lappy yet) you would have to choose your pcmcia module. |
| 20:16.21 | Eulex | xychix, you have no X server |
| 20:16.30 | EdibleText | lekvar, any beeps when cards are inserted? |
| 20:16.40 | lekvar | no, no beeps |
| 20:16.42 | Eulex | xychix, install xserver-xfree86 on stable or xserver-xorg on testing/unstable |
| 20:16.45 | xychix | Eulex: x11-common is installed :S |
| 20:16.46 | karsten | Anyone got a recommendation for a good "I just started X and all I see is a grey screen with a large X in it" reference for a complete n00b? For a friend, not myself, BTW. |
| 20:16.47 | xychix | ah ok |
| 20:16.48 | cheal | thegraham: did you try to google that? that's a very very common error |
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| 20:16.54 | xychix | xserver-xorg :) tnx |
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| 20:17.45 | EdibleText | lekvar, perhaps the module for pcmcia support isnt loaded. others may know better how to do so with etch install |
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| 20:18.15 | FarrisG | I need to reorder my /dev/sd* nodes. What is the quickest, or least messy, way to do this? All that's important is that the drives using my onboard SATA bus and/or PCI-X raid card get assigned /dev/sd* nodes first, and then after that, USB disks get assigned nodes sequentially |
| 20:19.04 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 20:19.05 | mr50 | FarrisG: why bother, just use /dev/disk/by-(id|label|path|uuid) |
| 20:19.17 | mr50 | farrisg: to mount / put in fstab |
| 20:19.17 | karsten | FarrisG: Explicit module load order. |
| 20:19.25 | SerajewelKS | mr50: isn't that udev? |
| 20:19.39 | thegraham | cheal: i had a look, couldn't see anything instantly. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1289 is the syslog |
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| 20:19.42 | mr50 | SerajewelKS: oh yeah |
| 20:20.00 | mr50 | SerajewelKS: guess I love that feature so much, that I forgot it was new |
| 20:20.29 | burnt-toast | does anyone know of a graphical SCP shell similar to WinSCP that I can run on KDE (and preferrably acquire using apt)? |
| 20:20.50 | VITIHO | Hi I enabled ldap auth on postfix, and now I'm getting this message in my maillog unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory |
| 20:20.52 | SerajewelKS | mr50: once udev is stable i'm going to love it too |
| 20:21.03 | FarrisG | mr50: I don't have /dev/disk/*/*. |
| 20:21.06 | karsten | burnt-toast: mc. Konqueror may support scp and/or fish protocols. |
| 20:21.13 | VITIHO | how can I disable that saslauthd wouldn't check for that db, as I'm using ldap |
| 20:21.16 | SerajewelKS | FarrisG: yeah it's a udev thing, which isn't stable yet |
| 20:21.24 | mr50 | FarrisG: need udev for that, and it's new, maybe only in unstable |
| 20:21.26 | FarrisG | karsten: How would I make sure the usb mods are loaded after the raid mod? |
| 20:21.30 | SerajewelKS | karsten: konq supports fish.. dunno about scp |
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| 20:21.42 | FarrisG | mr50: Yeah, I have udev, but definitely not unstable |
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| 20:22.26 | burnt-toast | karsten: Konq does not support scp:// URL's in sarge at least... it does a google search for scp:// automatically instead |
| 20:22.30 | cheal | thegraham: try this: http://www.google.ca/search?hs=1rH&hl=fr&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Afr%3Aunofficial&q=debian+%22Can%27t+connect+to+local+MySQL+server+through+socket+%27%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fmysqld%2Fmysqld.sock%27%22&btnG=Rechercher&meta= |
| 20:22.40 | SerajewelKS | cheal: O_o |
| 20:22.47 | Tortel | o_O |
| 20:22.50 | karsten | FarrisG: Explicit ordering in /etc/modules |
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| 20:23.22 | Tortel | cold today.... |
| 20:23.25 | karsten | burnt-toast: OK. It seems to do things like that if you ask it right, might check a KDE list. I don't know that scp or fish are supported. Try fish:// as well. |
| 20:23.26 | mr50 | FarrisG: but I have never done specific module load order. If you boot off any of the raid disks than you will need to do a custom initrd |
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| 20:23.51 | karsten | Tortel: But why would you want to heat a purpose? |
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| 20:23.58 | Tortel | :| |
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| 20:24.02 | Tortel | to heat my room |
| 20:24.06 | sdakota | my dns server is working! ^^ |
| 20:24.14 | mr50 | Tortel: I liked my old 5 1/4 seagate cheeta 9gig for heating :) |
| 20:24.19 | karsten | burnt-toast: konqueror fish://remotehost |
| 20:24.21 | karsten | burnt-toast: .. works. |
| 20:24.23 | deadcat | karsten: finally finish my finals. just turn in my english paper at 1pm and i am pretty much done (=.. did you say something last about about bringing me some stuff at the next meeting? (= |
| 20:24.43 | karsten | deadcat: No ;-) |
| 20:24.54 | deadcat | thats not what i hear (= |
| 20:24.57 | sdakota | though - at this moment, all ports from the internet are directly forwarded to the server - are there any ports that I would want to close? |
| 20:25.07 | sdakota | and if so, how? |
| 20:25.18 | burnt-toast | thanks all... peace |
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| 20:25.32 | deadcat | what is the lightest dns server and works? i just need simple ip to host, host to ip. basically all *.com points to 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:25.35 | bpuzon | Maulkin Maybe the gateway has. But how can it block random ports opened from non-ftp port to a non-tp port? |
| 20:25.42 | karsten | burnt-toast: That will prompt you for a password if necessary. If you've got .ssh, authorized_keys, and ssh-agent running you just go straight through. |
| 20:25.45 | sdakota | deadcat: use hosts |
| 20:26.03 | karsten | sdakota: You'd have to list them explicitly, won't work. |
| 20:26.05 | sdakota | deadcat: add to /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 com |
| 20:26.05 | deadcat | sdakota: dont work. its for my clients on the lan |
| 20:26.08 | karsten | sdakota: BIND |
| 20:26.20 | deadcat | sdakota: oh. just com? nice.. |
| 20:26.22 | sdakota | karsten: no? you can add com or com. |
| 20:26.23 | sdakota | right? |
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| 20:26.30 | sdakota | thought so :/ |
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| 20:27.10 | karsten | sdakota: /etc/hosts requires explicit mapping of hostnames, no wildcarding. Using a real DNS server you can delegate entire zones and create wildcard entries. |
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| 20:27.22 | deadcat | sdakota: com dont seem to work. but actually the clients on the lan is using my machine as the dns server and i want all .com to point to the same box |
| 20:27.23 | sdakota | karsten: ok |
| 20:27.31 | sdakota | deadcat: use a dns server then |
| 20:27.34 | FarrisG | mr50: karsten: I understand the booting issues. The problem is, my raid module is already at the top of /etc/modules. It's just that usb-storage gets loaded before the mods in /etc/modules. Do I have to blacklist it, then add it to /etc/modules? |
| 20:27.36 | sdakota | deadcat: lightdns or bind |
| 20:27.41 | deadcat | k |
| 20:27.47 | EmleyMoor | I've got an exim4 config snippet that I want to implement, but it came from a machine not running Debian so I think it may need some changes... |
| 20:27.52 | karsten | sdakota: mardns might be an alternative, apt-cache search dns | grep ^[a-z]*dns | grep -v ^lib | sort |
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| 20:27.55 | thegraham | cheal: i've tried those things, but it doesnt seem to work |
| 20:27.57 | deadcat | currently using bind but heard its over load. |
| 20:28.02 | EmleyMoor | Is there anyone around who coiuld look at it for me if I paste it somewhere? |
| 20:28.04 | mr50 | FarrisG: I don't know |
| 20:28.08 | sdakota | karsten: it's not for me ;) it's for deadcat |
| 20:28.08 | karsten | sdakota: ... will give you a list. BIND is really not very heavy and is well understood, I'd recommend it. |
| 20:28.23 | deadcat | karsten: its for me. i need a light weight dns server. |
| 20:28.24 | cheal | thegraham: which release and which mysql do you run? |
| 20:28.25 | sdakota | karsten: I'm using bind for my own domains ¬.¬, |
| 20:28.34 | karsten | sdakota: Right... |
| 20:28.36 | karsten | deadcat: ^^ |
| 20:29.10 | deadcat | sdakota: i am using bind right now to handle all *.edu *.com *.blah to poing to the current machine but dont know how to get it working with tinydns.. |
| 20:29.16 | sdakota | deadcat: Though I'd recommend to use Bind |
| 20:29.31 | sdakota | deadcat: why would you want to use tinydns? |
| 20:29.34 | karsten | deadcat: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 20:29.36 | deadcat | dont know. |
| 20:29.40 | deadcat | karsten: )= |
| 20:29.48 | sdakota | deadcat: stick to bind |
| 20:29.49 | deadcat | what about lwresd? |
| 20:29.50 | Maulkin | bpuzon: Erm... it gets fairly complicated. What's the firewal running? |
| 20:29.51 | deadcat | k |
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| 20:30.05 | sdakota | deadcat: why do you want to forward all .com domains to local machine, by the way? |
| 20:30.24 | deadcat | sdakota: fuck with classmates (= |
| 20:30.38 | deadcat | sdakota: my wireless card can do master mode hehe |
| 20:30.49 | sdakota | deadcat: you'll have to change the DNS servers of all computers that you don't want to have .com domains. |
| 20:31.23 | deadcat | sdakota: i run dhcp server, dns, apache, iptables |
| 20:31.31 | deadcat | to get the affect (= |
| 20:31.36 | sdakota | deadcat: in that case, I'd recommand to forward . to the dns server, that way the nameserver is still accessible and you can set up a page on that one ;) "You're Not Allowed To Go There" or something ;) |
| 20:31.57 | sdakota | deadcat: as '.' is the base of everything - the root servers |
| 20:32.02 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to see what my exim CONFDIR is? |
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| 20:32.15 | deadcat | sdakota: oh... i have lots of .com .net .. so i just need . ? |
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| 20:32.35 | jaemillz | anyone have a newb guide to installing kernel sources? |
| 20:32.45 | deadcat | jaemillz: dont make no sence |
| 20:32.51 | sdakota | deadcat: yes |
| 20:32.55 | deadcat | sense? cense? i dont know |
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| 20:33.05 | sdakota | deadcat: . IN A (server IP) |
| 20:33.11 | jaemillz | im trying to get ndiswrapper to work, and it says i need to install kernel source |
| 20:33.18 | deadcat | sdakota: in the named.conf file? |
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| 20:33.37 | sdakota | deadcat: no, the zone file |
| 20:33.37 | sdakota | I gtg |
| 20:33.37 | sdakota | bye |
| 20:33.38 | deadcat | jaemillz: ndis site has a simple howto with debian. follow it |
| 20:33.42 | deadcat | nooooooooooo |
| 20:33.43 | FromTO | how can I apply the colors from your a theme to Xt/Motif/Tk apps. There used to be program calle grdb that does that but no longer available from debian |
| 20:34.04 | chaica | Hi I'm trying to use debian installer to use raid 1 on my server, I configured my system and it was ok but I couldn't mark the partition on the raid device as bootable, and rebooting I have a grub error? Any idea? |
| 20:34.36 | jaemillz | i read through the howto, the problem is it says to compile the kernel source, but following the directions doesnt help |
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| 20:34.41 | quiet | hey guys... can anyone help me with this error: $ firefox |
| 20:34.41 | quiet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.41 | quiet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.41 | quiet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.41 | quiet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:35.00 | lekvar | this is bizarre. it thinks i have firewire ethernet and asked to use it. i said yes and it's connected now. |
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| 20:35.14 | quiet | grr.. |
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| 20:35.28 | SerajewelKS | !tell quiet about pastebin |
| 20:35.41 | quiet | yeah i know.. but it wasn't anything long. |
| 20:35.47 | quiet | it was 3 lines. |
| 20:35.52 | SerajewelKS | it was four |
| 20:36.00 | SerajewelKS | anything over 2 lines is pastebin |
| 20:36.18 | lekvar | EdibleText: did you ever bother trying to set up a dos partition to run the actual ibm bios tweaking software? |
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| 20:36.52 | EdibleText | lekvar, no, not even in my ISA days |
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| 20:37.31 | mz_work | quiet: maybe try: xhost + |
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| 20:37.40 | bnoji | Do LCD ir CRTs generally use more power? Size isnt so much of an issue, but I have to pick a monitor that will be connected to the UPS for emergency access to servers... |
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| 20:37.55 | bnoji | I dont want it drawing more power than it needs... |
| 20:37.57 | cheal | bnoji: CRT |
| 20:37.58 | freyley | crts use more power bnoji |
| 20:38.01 | bnoji | ok |
| 20:38.23 | bnoji | I was thinking, a 15in LCD would be fine and it wouldnt affect the uptime that much |
| 20:38.24 | quiet | mz_work, xost + firefox ? |
| 20:38.26 | quiet | xhost* |
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| 20:38.40 | EdibleText | bnoji, consider a serial console and a standby craptop |
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| 20:38.54 | cr3 | if a package exists on stable and unstable, how can I select one of the two packages? |
| 20:38.55 | theD3viL | Can i install not whole kde, just base? |
| 20:38.59 | dli | bnoji, buy a cheap laptop for that :) |
| 20:39.01 | bnoji | EdibleText: surprisingly, the laptops dont have rs232 |
| 20:39.07 | cheal | theD3viL: #debian-kde |
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| 20:39.31 | quiet | for reference: http://pastebin.com/464207 |
| 20:39.31 | theD3viL | k |
| 20:39.40 | jjazz | cr3, pinning |
| 20:39.43 | EdibleText | bnoji, yeah first they take our floppy then our serial ports |
| 20:40.07 | bnoji | EdibleText: Its an IBM too...i figured it would still have one |
| 20:40.09 | mz_work | theD3viL: apt-get install kdebase ? |
| 20:40.12 | bnoji | but it doesnt even have PS/2 |
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| 20:40.15 | dli | bnoji, buy an old laptop :) |
| 20:40.21 | EdibleText | *bastards* |
| 20:40.32 | bnoji | dli: I have one. My "old" laptop is a P150 Compaq Presario |
| 20:40.32 | dli | bnoji, like $300 thinkpad |
| 20:40.48 | bnoji | It doesnt actually have a case...the whole thing sits out on a table |
| 20:40.56 | EdibleText | bnoji, well its good to keep them old 233mhz lappys around |
| 20:41.01 | bnoji | yeah |
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| 20:41.23 | shadowcat | EdibleText: a desktop 233 would be more useful |
| 20:41.28 | shadowcat | it'd make for a great router |
| 20:41.31 | bnoji | EdibleText: actually, unforunately, the serial port on the server is used by the UPS |
| 20:41.31 | EmleyMoor | In an exim conf file, does this line: |
| 20:41.44 | EmleyMoor | av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamav/clamd |
| 20:41.51 | EmleyMoor | ... refer to a Unix socket? |
| 20:41.59 | EdibleText | shadowcat, this is in the context of emergency serial consoles |
| 20:41.59 | bnoji | probably |
| 20:42.07 | shadowcat | EdibleText: heh |
| 20:42.07 | cr3 | jjazz: what does "pinning" mean? |
| 20:42.08 | EdibleText | shadowcat, but yes they are nice. |
| 20:42.30 | dli | bnoji, if you use rs232 for ups only, you don't need it at all, laptops don't use ups, since they can have batteries by themselves |
| 20:42.43 | EdibleText | bnoji, unfortunate. which reminds me to check my server |
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| 20:43.00 | bnoji | dli: i would have to SSH if i used the laptop |
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| 20:43.14 | EdibleText | bnoji, usb is supported by ups also |
| 20:43.39 | xychix | q! |
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| 20:43.45 | xychix | pwd |
| 20:43.46 | dli | bnoji, what's wrong with ssh? you can use whatever |
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| 20:44.19 | dli | EdibleText, why do you want to plugin a laptop to ups |
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| 20:44.55 | bnoji | dli: i was trying to avoid purchasing aditional hardware |
| 20:44.58 | bnoji | er, additional |
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| 20:45.12 | dli | bnoji, you are asking for a monitor :) |
| 20:45.16 | bnoji | dli: we're talking about emergency access to rack servers on a UPS |
| 20:45.20 | Vincent | dans kubuntu, où trouve t on l'équivalent de Système / Préférences / Sessions ? |
| 20:45.25 | EdibleText | dli, heh i think there was some confuzion.. because I cant think of any reason to do so.. unless your a whacko whose laptop batter doesnt recharge |
| 20:45.25 | jjazz | cr3, google pinning and you'll get what you want |
| 20:45.33 | Vincent | sorry ! |
| 20:45.33 | bnoji | when the power goes out, I may need to get at them...without draining the UPS... |
| 20:45.46 | shadowcat | what's a good ident daemon? |
| 20:46.00 | dli | bnoji, the ups lasts for minutes only |
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| 20:46.13 | dli | bnoji, http://www.usanotebook.com/IBM_display_page.php?ad=adwords&adgroup=ibm+notebooks |
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| 20:47.01 | cr3 | jjazz: thanks, I also discovered I can specify apt-get install package/unstable. |
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| 20:47.22 | noddaba | Hey guys, need a little help using mdadm to setup a linear array of two drives (originally formatted ext3). I created the array just fine. I'm assuming I run mke2fs on the raid device (/dev/md1) and not on the individual devices, right? |
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| 20:48.04 | silvinho | noddaba: yep |
| 20:48.04 | naphex | Irda on etch with stock 2.6.12 kernel gives me problems. I did dpkg-reconfigure irda-utils and (with google) found the parameters for the smsc-ircc2 module. ifconfig says irda0 is up and no errors appear in syslog. But irdadump sees nothing from IR devices. Hardware is known to work. What should I try next? |
| 20:48.13 | EdibleText | noddaba, if its set up (raid) then you treat the mdN as the block device |
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| 20:48.36 | jjazz | cr3 yes. But remember that if you have unstable in your apt-sources and you don't do any pinning, you will get unstable packages as the default. |
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| 20:49.18 | noddaba | silvinho, EdibleText, thanks, that's what I thought. now because this is linear, if I were to pull one of those drives out and plug it into another computer, I'd be able to see the data (on that one drive) just as if it were a single disk? |
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| 20:50.01 | Raid | hi |
| 20:50.14 | silvinho | noddaba: can't remember, but easy enough to test, stop the array, try to mount one of the individual drives |
| 20:50.16 | Raid | hi |
| 20:50.30 | noddaba | silvinho, good point. thanks :) |
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| 20:51.18 | aalex | Should I start over my Debian installation ? |
| 20:51.18 | aalex | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.18 | aalex | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.33 | silvinho | aalex: no that's a known 2.6.14 issue |
| 20:51.34 | thegraham | how do i create a new certificate for my uw-imapd-ssl? is there an easy script |
| 20:51.59 | dli | thegraham, my way, dpkg --purge, and apt-get install |
| 20:52.02 | silvinho | aalex: you need to rebuild your initrd to load the ide modules |
| 20:52.26 | silvinho | aalex: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343048 |
| 20:52.39 | bpuzon | Maulkin No idea :D |
| 20:52.41 | thegraham | dli: hmm, i can't remember if i've made any config changes tho |
| 20:52.47 | aalex | silvinho: oh. i am such a newbe, maybe i should reinstall debian stable instead of unstable ^ |
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| 20:52.51 | bpuzon | Maulkin Need to go now, but thanks |
| 20:52.58 | emfpilot | hi all; can some one help me figure how to use mknod for a cdrom I've just added? the man page isn't very helpfull.... I get the -b switch makes a block device but the numbering system is what I don't get??? |
| 20:53.06 | dli | thegraham, no, you don't need such configurations |
| 20:53.20 | silvinho | aalex: so this happened the first time you booted after the install ? |
| 20:53.27 | aalex | silvinho: yes |
| 20:53.42 | silvinho | ugh |
| 20:53.43 | aalex | netinstall |
| 20:53.46 | aalex | unstable |
| 20:53.56 | aalex | my laptop i on unstable and its all right |
| 20:54.08 | silvinho | aalex: if you have a knoppix cd lying around, halfway down that webpage some guy describes how to boot into knoppix and fix the issue |
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| 20:54.20 | aalex | silvinho: i do |
| 20:54.24 | FarrisG | Ok, how about this: How do I keep usb_storage from loading until the system loads the modules in /etc/modules? |
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| 20:54.51 | silvinho | aalex: i think fixing it with knoppix would be faster |
| 20:55.04 | aalex | hmm |
| 20:55.30 | aalex | silvinho: i have only one partition, so do i need to do his partittion umount/mount dance ? |
| 20:55.33 | aalex | (i cant) |
| 20:55.42 | silvinho | aalex: you basically just need to boot, chroot to your debian installation, apt-get --purge yaird, apt-get install initramfs-tools, edit /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-blahb-blah |
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| 20:55.59 | emfpilot | any ideas regarding my pervious post? |
| 20:56.02 | nix | isnt there a kernel bootup option emergency that boots into /bin/sh instead of starting init |
| 20:56.07 | silvinho | aalex: i think so |
| 20:56.17 | aalex | mmm |
| 20:56.29 | thegraham | hmm the dpkg --purge uw-imapd-ssl doesn't seem to have worked... old cert still there when i reinstalled |
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| 20:56.45 | aalex | silvinho: it was only a quick basic install, i will install stable instead |
| 20:56.49 | aalex | :-) |
| 20:56.59 | noddaba | how do you delete a raid array? i misconfigured one, stopped it, created a new one using the same device (/dev/md1), and now mdadm --scan displays both |
| 20:57.03 | dli | nix: if the kernel couldn't get ide driver :) |
| 20:57.17 | silvinho | noddaba: mdadm --stop |
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| 20:57.25 | ^tim^ | v |
| 20:57.27 | aalex | but thanks a lot for this, if it still doesnt work, i will have to do this. Or if my lovely laptop does it... well, i wil keep that i a text file somewhere |
| 20:57.42 | noddaba | silvinho, I did that. and then I created a new one using the same device name |
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| 20:57.54 | ^tim^ | any ideas on what may spawn multiple child cron processes? |
| 20:58.00 | ^tim^ | happens overnight |
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| 20:58.33 | silvinho | eh reboot noddaba ? |
| 20:58.39 | noddaba | works for me :) |
| 20:58.45 | silvinho | lol |
| 20:58.46 | noddaba | i'll give that a shot |
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| 21:00.08 | Catch`CoNdA | Does anyone here know how to make a .sh script to take all the files in one directory and run a particular command on every file ( I am trying to make a .sh script to batch encode a whole dir through lame, ) |
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| 21:00.40 | nix | Catch`CoNdA: for i in /directory/*avi; do echo $i; done |
| 21:01.22 | silvinho | Catch`CoNdA: for A in `ls /some/dir/`; do command $A; done |
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| 21:02.48 | hans0lo | anyone know what it means when bind bitches about "no NS RRs found at zone top" |
| 21:03.21 | silvinho | whats your soa statement look like ? |
| 21:03.32 | bbrazil | hans0lo: you're missing NS records I'm guessing |
| 21:03.43 | pup | is there a way to get your current IP address dynamically added to /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:04.02 | karsten | pup: You don't want to do that. |
| 21:04.03 | hans0lo | bbrazil: what would that line look like? |
| 21:04.14 | karsten | pup: ... but see /etc/interfaces/if-up.d/ |
| 21:04.16 | quitte | pup: just use localhost to contact yourself |
| 21:04.25 | bbrazil | hans0lo: IN 86400 NS ns.the.xone |
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| 21:04.30 | SimonRaven | pup: i second karsten' statement |
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| 21:04.38 | pup | diablo2 seems to insist upon having an entry for my machine in there |
| 21:04.40 | bbrazil | hans0lo: can you pastebin the zonefile? |
| 21:04.42 | SimonRaven | s |
| 21:04.43 | pup | if i want to play a network game with it :( |
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| 21:04.55 | pup | bound to my real ip i mean, instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:04.56 | karsten | pup: Reference it as 'localhost' or '127.0.0.1' |
| 21:05.00 | pup | but my real IP switches all the time |
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| 21:05.15 | quitte | pup an entry in hosts wont help others find you |
| 21:05.22 | quitte | pup dyndns.org |
| 21:05.31 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:05.31 | dpkg | <ananke> erps : here. let me rub my crystal ball. <erps> ananke, awesome, can I borrow that? :) <ananke> erps : nope. company policy, we can't give away our crystall balls. <erps> ahhh :( But I assume you let special people rub them for you? <ananke> erps : you're not that special |
| 21:05.33 | pup | everything works when I have 192.168.0.102 MyMachine listed |
| 21:05.42 | pup | but otherwise it complains that it can't detect a vlaid ip |
| 21:05.57 | hans0lo | bbrazil: its an essentially empty zone file. just has serial, refresh, etc. would I replace the ns.the.xone in your example with my dns server? |
| 21:06.14 | bbrazil | hans0lo: yes, and I hope thats dns server*s* |
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| 21:06.40 | hans0lo | bbrazil: ok, would that be 127.0.0.1, or will I need to reference an external server? |
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| 21:07.12 | quitte | pup if your local ip address changes your dhcp server is acting strange |
| 21:07.32 | bbrazil | hans0lo: the domain name of your nameserver |
| 21:07.34 | comforteagle | any chance that a fresh debian-sarge install is preconfigured with a firewall? |
| 21:07.34 | pup | sorry, it is a laptop, so my dhcp at home gives it one, but at work it gets a different one |
| 21:07.45 | pup | i mean it changes when i switch locations |
| 21:07.57 | bbrazil | comforteagle: no, I suggest shorewall |
| 21:08.36 | r_marvin | by the way, any decent resource about using the "whereami" package for laptops? |
| 21:08.42 | comforteagle | bbrazil, ok |
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| 21:10.32 | panther | where and how can i change my video driver?? I'm know in vesa driver..but want to try out the ati driver |
| 21:10.38 | jjazz | aalex, whereami |
| 21:10.57 | simmy | I'm using SID on a Dell Latitude D600 laptop. When I have my USB Microsoft mouse plugged into the dock, the mouse works great. When I boot with the machine undocked (but with the usb mouse), I get NOTHING from the mouse. I don't even get the LED to come on. I'vve already tested the ports with a thumbdrive to make sure the port's not bad. What should I try at this point? |
| 21:11.03 | dli | panther, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:11.12 | cheal | !drxx panther |
| 21:11.12 | dpkg | panther: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 21:12.26 | panther | DPKG i'm trying to install the downloaded ati offical driver...but the screen is to big for 800x600 (what is vesa max res).....there for want to try the debain ati driver for a x300 pci express card |
| 21:12.26 | dpkg | panther: what are you talking about? |
| 21:12.38 | panther | !drxx |
| 21:12.38 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 21:13.48 | panther | The linux driver i download from ati itself has a installer what has a big window and i can't reach the contiune button :-) |
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| 21:14.23 | karsten | panther: <alt> + left mouse click should allow you to drag the window around your display in most WMs. |
| 21:14.59 | nix | panther: google for debian fglrx |
| 21:15.03 | nix | dont use official instaler |
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| 21:15.19 | dli | panther, acroreader does that to me, just couldn't reach "Accept" |
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| 21:15.35 | shadowcat | has anyone encountered "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128" while attempting to remove a package? |
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| 21:15.59 | panther | Karsten: thanks ....i making the debain sarge package with the offical installer......i first did the first option but crashed everything...with google however |
| 21:16.07 | nix | which package? check its postrm or prerm script |
| 21:16.10 | wouterrr | guys, where in gnu's name can i find binary-makedeb |
| 21:16.37 | nix | wouterrr: /msg dpkg find file, or packages.debian.org at the bottom of the page |
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| 21:16.50 | bartden | hi, i have a question about samba roaming and PDC, when i log into my laptop ,i see a different background and cant find my emails i downloaded on my desktop pc( loggin in with the same user that is), but they both use roaming, any ideas how it comes, or isnt this a what roaming does ?? |
| 21:16.51 | wouterrr | they don't know either : ) |
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| 21:17.22 | wouterrr | dpkg Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'binary-makedeb' returned no results. |
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| 21:17.32 | SimonRaven | bartden: #samba |
| 21:18.02 | panther | heheeh already got a error with the offical installeer...... |
| 21:18.06 | nikos1 | hi, can anyone tell me why pump -i eth0 brings eth0 _down_ |
| 21:18.08 | nikos1 | ? |
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| 21:18.36 | SimonRaven | because it was already up? |
| 21:18.38 | tr1gg3r | wouterrr, r u looking for dpkg-deb? |
| 21:18.39 | nix | wouterrr: woudlnt know. what needs it? |
| 21:18.52 | wouterrr | mozilla-mplayer |
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| 21:19.10 | hans0lo | bbrazil: sweet - got it working. tks for your help |
| 21:19.11 | nikos1 | SimonRaven, it was not up |
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| 21:19.29 | nix | wouterrr: stable? testing? unstable? |
| 21:19.32 | wouterrr | unstable |
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| 21:19.34 | nikos1 | using dhclient works |
| 21:19.46 | nix | oh, unstable. oh well :) |
| 21:19.50 | SimonRaven | then use dhclient :). use v3 |
| 21:20.06 | SimonRaven | v2 is long deprecated |
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| 21:20.14 | wouterrr | not in unstable |
| 21:20.15 | wouterrr | dh-client |
| 21:20.26 | nikos1 | SimonRaven, using v3 |
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| 21:20.39 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 21:20.47 | nikos1 | I just can't figure out why pump does not work |
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| 21:21.21 | SimonRaven | i've never had to bother trying pump, since dhclient always Just Works |
| 21:21.38 | naphex | What does it mean when ifconfig reports that an interface has HWaddr: 00:00:00:00 ? |
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| 21:22.16 | SimonRaven | virtual ifaces usually have a mac address like that. means it isn't ethernet |
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| 21:23.06 | naphex | SimonRaven: ok, this is not related to the fact that said interface does not work then? |
| 21:23.32 | SimonRaven | if it isn't configured, it won't work ;) |
| 21:23.37 | shadowcat | does anyone know how to force an uninstall of a package that gives you an error? |
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| 21:24.08 | Jeaton | hi |
| 21:24.12 | tarzeau | dpkg --force-all -r pkg? or so |
| 21:24.12 | bluestorm | hum |
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| 21:24.28 | tarzeau | maybe put an early exit 0 to the post/pre/inst/remove scripts |
| 21:24.46 | simmy | I'm using SID on a Dell Latitude D600 laptop. When I have my USB Microsoft mouse plugged into the dock, the mouse works great. When I boot with the machine undocked (but with the usb mouse), I get NOTHING from the mouse. I don't even get the LED to come on. I'vve already tested the ports with a thumbdrive to make sure the port's not bad. What should I try at this point? |
| 21:24.54 | naphex | SimonRaven: I'd be happy if you could provide some guidance on how to configure it :). dpkg-reconfigure irda-utils brought it up without errors, but irdadump does not see any packets from the other IR device... |
| 21:25.08 | shadowcat | thanks tarzeau |
| 21:25.15 | SimonRaven | no experience with infrared devices |
| 21:25.16 | silvinho | simmy: i would dpkg-reconfigure your xserver with the mouse plugged into the usb port |
| 21:25.21 | Catch`CoNdA | gaah... stupid scripts :@ does anyone know about a good mp3 encoding application for kde( file to mp3, not cd ) |
| 21:25.23 | bluestorm | i have a perl warning when using base-config (i'm installing debian) |
| 21:25.25 | bluestorm | http://rafb.net/paste/results/DGPsHu12.html |
| 21:25.35 | bluestorm | how should i fix it ? |
| 21:25.36 | naphex | SimonRaven: ok, thanks already for the hint about the HWAddress. |
| 21:25.39 | simmy | silvinho : It doesn't een work in console. |
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| 21:26.04 | simmy | silvinho ; with the right modules loaded, I should get the light on the bottom of the mouse to come on. With the laptop undocked, I get NOTHING from the mouse. |
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| 21:26.49 | bluestorm | (i have it when using aptitude too) |
| 21:27.40 | pi-meson | My amd64 dual-core system (2.6.11-9-amd64-k8-smp) has a system clock which gains 4 seconds per minute |
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| 21:28.02 | pi-meson | The bios clock appears to be fine, and ntpd isn't running |
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| 21:28.17 | silvinho | simmy: so load the right module ? |
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| 21:28.47 | pi-meson | I'm curious if anyone might know how to go about diagnosing this |
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| 21:29.08 | EmleyMoor | I have an exim4 acl I want to incorporate into the standard Debian one - it's at http://pastebin.com/464292 - can anyone advise me what alterations I need to make and exactly where/how to put it? |
| 21:29.09 | tarzeau | pi-meson: do you run adjtimex? |
| 21:29.09 | silvinho | pi-meson: someone was complaining about it the other day and mentioned apci |
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| 21:29.33 | bluestorm | hum |
| 21:29.37 | pi-meson | tarzeau: i've never heard of it |
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| 21:30.04 | kavorka | pi-meson: check dmesg for 'lost ticks' and try loading kernel with pci=noacpi |
| 21:30.11 | pi-meson | silvinho: I've tried booting pci=noacpi |
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| 21:30.28 | panther | I the problem with the ATI driver and Debain only on the new version or do i need to compile my own drivers (i'm new to it and it havn't worked out great yet) |
| 21:30.39 | pi-meson | kavorka: I don't see any lost ticks messages in the dmesg output |
| 21:30.49 | kavorka | pi-meson: supposedly this is because the TSC's are out of sync on the 2 cpus |
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| 21:31.23 | pi-meson | kavorka: out of sync? I guess I could understand there being an offset between them, but aren't they driven by the same clock? |
| 21:31.25 | kavorka | pi-meson: kernel-2.6.14 is supposed to fix the TSC sync problem |
| 21:31.26 | simmy | silvinho : The exact same module set loads when the laptop is docked as when it's not docked. USB is working properly because I can get numerous other USB devices to work.... just not this mouse. |
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| 21:31.56 | silvinho | try another mouse ? |
| 21:32.22 | dbron | Hi all, if I want to require ssh keys for all ssh logins, is the sshd_config change ChallengeResponseAuthentication no ? |
| 21:32.45 | pi-meson | kavorka: does this mean I do the compile-my-own-kernel dance? Awww, I was really enjoying using pre-built ati fglrx debs :( |
| 21:32.47 | philips | dbron: yes |
| 21:32.51 | dbron | philips: ty |
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| 21:33.02 | silvinho | drbon: passwd -l the accounts as well |
| 21:33.13 | kavorka | pi-meson: i am sure google will have many threads on dual cpu time problems |
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| 21:33.18 | dbron | silvinho: will do, thank yo |
| 21:33.20 | dbron | u |
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| 21:33.59 | pi-meson | so to refresh my memory, I should grab a tarball off of kernel.org; unpack, copy over my current .config; then make oldconfig, make-kpkg kernel_image, etc ? |
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| 21:34.50 | kavorka | pi-meson: tahts one way |
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| 21:35.12 | pi-meson | kavorka: what other ways are recommended? |
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| 21:35.47 | kavorka | pi-meson: i dont use make-kpkg, just plain make |
| 21:36.09 | kavorka | pi-meson: the make modules_install |
| 21:36.10 | pi-meson | kavorka: really? I find make-kpkg to be the bees' knees |
| 21:36.28 | SimonRaven | recommended is the debian way. ;) |
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| 21:36.38 | hag- | I have 566 unmet dependencies. How to fix this? |
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| 21:36.59 | Zapelius | apt-get -f install |
| 21:37.01 | panther | how can i see my kernel version? |
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| 21:37.07 | Zapelius | panther, uname -a |
| 21:37.09 | ref | Hello |
| 21:37.12 | SimonRaven | stop mixing sources? |
| 21:37.15 | kavorka | panther: cat /proc/version |
| 21:37.28 | ref | i've just installed a debian 3.1 and i'm newbie with it |
| 21:37.41 | ref | my mouse is not fully recognized under X |
| 21:37.43 | hag- | simonraven: yea, but damage done |
| 21:37.48 | ref | what should i do ? |
| 21:37.51 | pshaggy | what is the program to see comments related to a specific deb? (I'm curious as to what's going on with k3b) |
| 21:38.25 | nix | apt-listbugs? |
| 21:38.56 | saloxin | ref: "fully" ? |
| 21:39.05 | ref | sorry |
| 21:39.09 | Kluster_v2 | ref, I'm also a noob with it, but using kernel 2.6 fixed it for me |
| 21:39.10 | ref | in fact i can move it |
| 21:39.23 | ref | but the buttons don't work |
| 21:39.25 | SimonRaven | but it's jumpy i bet |
| 21:39.42 | cheal | pshaggy: what kind of comments? |
| 21:39.49 | SimonRaven | lost that one. still same fix. choose another mouse protocol |
| 21:40.05 | pshaggy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.07 | saloxin | ref: what kind of moouse is it? |
| 21:40.20 | ref | it's a weird mouse... sorry. |
| 21:40.27 | ref | i use a sony vaio desktop |
| 21:40.32 | SimonRaven | pshaggy: querybts |
| 21:40.33 | ref | and it's an IR mouse |
| 21:40.35 | saloxin | pshaggy: http://bugs.debian.org/k3b ? |
| 21:40.43 | ref | three buttons and a wheel |
| 21:41.00 | ref | i can move it but the buttons don't work |
| 21:41.17 | ref | it's a sony mouse |
| 21:41.29 | ref | damn proprietary thingz |
| 21:41.33 | panther | i need kernel-source 2.6.8...but the apt-get said it's there ....how do i get it? |
| 21:41.35 | pshaggy | thanks, SimonRaven. That's the one |
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| 21:42.26 | saloxin | ref: like SimonRaven said, redo the configuration, and try out mouse protocols |
| 21:42.51 | ref | i should run dkpg-config "something" ? |
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| 21:43.12 | SimonRaven | !drxx ref |
| 21:43.12 | dpkg | ref: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:43.40 | ref | i launch another terminal... |
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| 21:46.24 | cheal | panther: what do you mean by "but the apt-get said it's there"? |
| 21:46.36 | ref | ok i've run the xserver-xfree86 config again |
| 21:47.04 | ref | what should i do to restart X ? |
| 21:47.09 | ref | a gdm is running |
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| 21:47.20 | lepton | ref logout, log back in |
| 21:47.45 | ref | when i logout gdm is still running |
| 21:47.50 | ref | should i kill it ? |
| 21:47.52 | simmy | silvinho : Tried another mouse... a logitech USB mouse and it's doing (or not doing) the same thing. |
| 21:48.01 | lepton | ref get a console and /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 21:48.03 | silvinho | simmy: no idea then sorry |
| 21:48.06 | simmy | DOH! |
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| 21:48.40 | panthera | .oO(hrm, i should stop highlighing on 'panther'.. gets annoying :) |
| 21:48.52 | ref | ok |
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| 21:48.55 | ref | well |
| 21:49.01 | ref | the buttons are still down |
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| 21:49.23 | ref | the symlink for the mouse is good : it moves |
| 21:49.24 | hag- | is it possible to downgrade "apt-get downgrade" in any way? I'm tired of all my problems with unstable |
| 21:49.37 | The_Ball | I tried booting the netinstall in vmware which works but gets an error in coreutils when verifying the integrity of the "CD", the buisinesscard.iso is ok though |
| 21:50.09 | The_Ball | hag-, nope |
| 21:50.40 | lepton | hag- the only way I know is to restore from a backup |
| 21:50.59 | hag- | ): |
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| 21:52.04 | jjazz | hag-, you could change your sources to testing, then wait until testing catches up to you... then you're running testing. |
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| 21:52.34 | hag- | maybe I should restart my computer and if that fails, reinstall! |
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| 21:54.51 | hans0lo | I'm trying to get autodns-dhcp package to update DNS with hostnames of my workstations. It is updating /etc/dhcpd.conf but is not adding hostnames to dns. |
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| 21:54.58 | Skrot | What is a good way to automount in combination with udev? E.g I plug in my Sony Ericsson K750i, udev makes /dev/k750i, there's a fstab rule that says /dev/k750i should be mounted to /mnt/k750i, all I need is a way to do it automaticly |
| 21:55.02 | ref | maybe i should try a usb protocol |
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| 21:55.12 | ref | is there a special name to write in XF86Config |
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| 21:55.28 | ref | i guess i really have newbie troubles... |
| 21:56.12 | silvinho | Skrot: check out autofs does exactly what you want |
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| 21:56.38 | silvinho | decent howto on arstechnica.com |
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| 21:58.10 | eeyore- | Skrot: /etc/udev/rules.d/ and /etc/udev/scripts/ |
| 21:58.32 | silvinho | or that |
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| 21:59.23 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 21:59.42 | joloc | after aptitude upgrade mouse has stopped working, /dev/input/event2 disappeared. upgrade involved switching to xserver-xorg and a erroneously installing discover1, then removing it and reinstalling discover. |
| 21:59.59 | efaistos | what do u use to convert an ogg to mp3 ? I need it to play music on an usb key player because it doesnt take ogg files !( |
| 22:00.05 | ribnitz | how much work is buliding a debian package of firefox from upstream? |
| 22:00.05 | joloc | s/working/working under X/ |
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| 22:00.41 | SimonRaven | efaistos: you try to avoid that. |
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| 22:01.10 | efaistos | SimonRaven, What ? |
| 22:01.17 | OleMoudi | does anybody know why one write system call is done for each line printed to stdout but only once when the output is redirected to a file? |
| 22:01.46 | ribnitz | OleMoudi: buffering? |
| 22:02.05 | joloc | OleMoudi: stdout is line-buffered |
| 22:02.10 | SimonRaven | efaistos: a) mps is loss b) from ogg to mp3 or the other way around you'll lose a lot of quality |
| 22:02.14 | SimonRaven | mp3* |
| 22:02.54 | efaistos | i know but anyway I need that to use this fucking usb key ... |
| 22:02.59 | SimonRaven | GTG. |
| 22:03.00 | joloc | OleMoudi: info (libc)Buffering Concepts |
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| 22:03.03 | ribnitz | efaistos: if you want lossless, use flac (but obviously less compression).. |
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| 22:03.32 | Skrot | silvinho: Turns out Ive acctually tried that before, and it doesn't seem to work |
| 22:03.34 | philips | efaistos: http://marginalhacks.com/bin/ogg2mp3 ? |
| 22:03.50 | efaistos | its for a person who doesnt use command line so if you have somethiing with a nice gui it would be great :) |
| 22:04.30 | ribnitz | efaistos: k3b? |
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| 22:04.53 | philips | efaistos: create a right click alias or something |
| 22:05.00 | panther | make-kpdg???? is this stanard in debian??? |
| 22:05.12 | efaistos | ribnitz, k3b does that ? |
| 22:05.17 | philips | panther: make-kpkg? |
| 22:05.27 | efaistos | philips, hmm why not ... |
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| 22:05.47 | philips | efaistos: ??? |
| 22:05.48 | efaistos | dut there is no GUI software to do that ? |
| 22:06.03 | silvinho | Skrot: do what the other guy said |
| 22:06.04 | efaistos | philips, create a right click alias or something ... |
| 22:06.12 | ribnitz | efaistos: k3b is a cd burning proggy, that does dvd, and converts like mp3 to wav,.. |
| 22:06.25 | Skrot | silvinho: I'll try this once more first. :) |
| 22:06.30 | panther | need to excute this command for driver package :make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" --revision 2.x.y-z --config old configure |
| 22:06.33 | philips | efaistos: yes, that is what I said.... what are you *ASKING*? |
| 22:06.36 | efaistos | ribnitz, i know that but I'm not sure it does the ogg to mp3 converts |
| 22:06.37 | Skrot | silvinho: the other idea is to execute a script that mounts when something is connected, right? |
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| 22:06.59 | silvinho | i think so, not too familiar with udev |
| 22:06.59 | efaistos | philips, I wanted to say ok I'll give it a try |
| 22:07.03 | efaistos | :p |
| 22:07.21 | philips | efaistos: haha, got it |
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| 22:09.41 | ribnitz | lets just suppose I downloaded a firefox source, and compiled that, would that be folly? |
| 22:10.13 | mathias64 | ribnitz: no, but its overkil unless you have some reason not to just download their daily build... |
| 22:10.37 | ribnitz | mathias64: I want a debianized 1.5.. |
| 22:11.14 | mathias64 | ribnitz: so how are you going to accomplish that? |
| 22:11.41 | panther | never mind foun out what kpkg is....the guy tells that 3 pages down.....smart |
| 22:11.50 | eeyore- | Skrot: here's a writeup, yes, it does mention gentoo: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-350769.html |
| 22:12.09 | ribnitz | mathias64: apt-get source mozilla-firefox, download mozilla-ff-source, copy over debian, play around with versiion numbers, .. |
| 22:12.19 | Skrot | eeyore-: thansk |
| 22:12.21 | Skrot | thanks* |
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| 22:12.40 | mathias64 | ribnitz: well, you could try that. Why not just install 1.5 in /usr/local ? |
| 22:12.50 | ribnitz | thats ugly. |
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| 22:13.58 | sfullenwider | what's a decent hex editor? |
| 22:14.23 | npx | khexedit |
| 22:14.30 | mathias64 | sfullenwider: no, what's an email client. who's a decent hex editor? |
| 22:14.35 | npx | i actually like the k naming scheme |
| 22:14.40 | npx | it's like k lets scan images |
| 22:14.50 | npx | k play some movies plz |
| 22:15.08 | Arafangion | sfullenwider: I rarely edit hex - I usually just read it - thus I like just plain hexdump. |
| 22:15.34 | mathias64 | npx: I think the k naming scheme just encourages people to fork perfectly good programs to add a kde ui. |
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| 22:15.52 | npx | They're usually not forked |
| 22:16.16 | npx | I mean, did they fork ffmpeg or xine when they made that one front-end? |
| 22:16.27 | npx | hell, when -have- they forked a perfectly good program? |
| 22:16.40 | Arafangion | npx: One was lyx, but that sucked. |
| 22:17.04 | jjazz | lyx sucked to begin with, so that's not their fault. |
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| 22:17.09 | eeyore- | i hate the "k" mentality |
| 22:17.25 | streuner | k-mentality? |
| 22:17.30 | eeyore- | k-this, k-that, it's not any different than win-this or win-that |
| 22:17.42 | Arafangion | eeyore-: 'k' is shorter. |
| 22:17.58 | ribnitz | and with gnome its a g- but otherwise thame thing.. |
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| 22:18.22 | npx | i like it. you can use tab completion and hit 'k' and get a damn near complete list of KDE apps |
| 22:18.24 | mathias64 | OK, I was too fast to say forked. Maybe ``duplicated effort''. Then ther's kpdf, kdvi, kghostview, kview, etc. The g thing is just as bad. |
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| 22:18.36 | streuner | eeyore-: users decide whats wrong and what not... |
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| 22:18.54 | Arafangion | mathias64: Gnoem doesn't do it as badly as kde, though. |
| 22:19.12 | npx | It's duplicated effort in the name of integration, though |
| 22:19.14 | ribnitz | Arafangion: but its as bloatware. |
| 22:19.16 | eeyore- | ribnitz: anjuta? kdevelop? |
| 22:19.16 | npx | I can forgive that |
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| 22:20.05 | ribnitz | eeyore-: Personally, I am looking for peace of mind with a debian-built mozilla 1.5.. |
| 22:20.27 | eeyore- | ribnitz: there isn't a debian moz 1.5 yet? |
| 22:20.44 | ribnitz | eeyore-: not afaik. |
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| 22:20.50 | npx | http://www.local6.com/news/5530801/detail.html this is cool |
| 22:21.12 | ribnitz | eeyore-: at least not in that sid I have. |
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| 22:21.34 | mathias64 | ribnitz: look at http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
| 22:21.39 | eeyore- | npx: fark.com |
| 22:21.41 | npx | mathias64, I look at it like, if I can avoid having to load another graphical toolkit to view a pdf or edit an image, and the program works well, it's a win for usability |
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| 22:22.27 | mathias64 | http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/firefox.html: [2005-11-29] Accepted 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 in unstable (low) (Eric Dorland) |
| 22:22.35 | ribnitz | mathias64: great. |
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| 22:23.29 | mathias64 | npx: I have never had a ``usability'' problem with xdvi, acroread, etc. Only KDE and Gnome make ``loading a toolkit'' an issue. xdvi loads in 1 second on a pentium 133 |
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| 22:23.39 | eeyore- | is the theme site for kde still kde-look.org? |
| 22:23.42 | npx | xdvi is ugly as shit |
| 22:23.43 | eeyore- | or is there one better? |
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| 22:24.02 | mathias64 | npx: it works, and it has worked for years. Hard to argue with that. |
| 22:24.08 | eeyore- | mathis: dvips? that way you can use more programs to view the result |
| 22:24.23 | npx | if you want to keep using old school xlib programs, of course they're gonna be faster than a full desktop environment |
| 22:24.32 | npx | but there's no comparison between that an kparts |
| 22:24.33 | eeyore- | besides being able to dump directly to PS printers ... |
| 22:24.48 | Skrot | Kinda off topic; but I've got a couple of old discs I'm planning on giving away and they contain sensitive data. What's the best way to make sure the data will never be accessed again? Other than just rm -rf / or reformating? |
| 22:24.50 | eeyore- | did i mention i dislike kparts too? |
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| 22:24.55 | mathias64 | npx: you're the one complaining about the time it takes to load toolkits. xlib doesn't ahve that issue. |
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| 22:25.55 | loxley_ | Skrot: shred perhaps? |
| 22:26.06 | ribnitz | Skrot: to what level is the data sensitive? |
| 22:26.08 | saloxin | Skrot: wipe does a decentjob of overwriting the disks |
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| 22:26.32 | npx | mathias64, the time isn't a huge issue |
| 22:26.47 | npx | on modern boxes. inconsistent appearances sorta suck tho |
| 22:26.55 | ey | I try to install debian from the debian netinstall cd and I have adsl with a router that gives ip thru dhcp but i cant choose dhcp from the netinstall cd. how sholud i do ? |
| 22:27.09 | mathias64 | npx said: mathias64, I look at it like, if I can avoid having to load another graphical toolkit to view a pdf ... |
| 22:27.31 | ribnitz | ey: curent netinst cds try dhcp by default. |
| 22:27.35 | EmleyMoor | How do I see what my exim acl is actually doing? |
| 22:27.43 | eeyore- | Skrot: it costs real money to recover data off disks like that. do you think the people you give disks to can afford > $1500 for recovery job? |
| 22:27.47 | ribnitz | ey: as in "automatically configure the network".. |
| 22:27.52 | npx | yeah, it's totally suboptimal. No other mainstream OS requires that you load a completely different graphical toolkit to view a PDF or whatever. |
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| 22:27.54 | mathias64 | ey: You can go to the second VT and run dhclient by hand. |
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| 22:28.29 | mathias64 | npx: right. because the OS has nothing to do with reading PDFs -- it handles paging, interrupts, etc. |
| 22:28.48 | npx | you know what I'm saying, don't get all pedantic |
| 22:28.49 | ey | ribnitz: but it says Next : install the base system, and i cant choose any network there, only cdrom, floppy, and mounted filesystem |
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| 22:29.07 | Skrot | eeyore-: Probably not. But the some of the discs where used in my old job, and contain documents which possibly have economical value if they where to fall into the hands of the wrong people. Now I know I'm being paranoid, but I want it *gone* before giving them away :) |
| 22:29.20 | mathias64 | ey: which version of debian are you installing? |
| 22:29.22 | ribnitz | ey: theres a configure the network somewhere? |
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| 22:29.47 | debugger | hello. |
| 22:30.00 | Guerin | Skrot: if it's too important for wwipe or shred, don't give the disks away |
| 22:30.11 | ey | yes , but it says what is the ip adress of you system? |
| 22:30.19 | debugger | how can I known which packages depend/use libmysqlclient.so.12? |
| 22:30.30 | ey | mathias..dont know netinstall from 2003 maybe |
| 22:30.39 | eeyore- | Skrot: easy, don't give the disks away. use a large hammer. |
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| 22:30.48 | marc_gerges | good evening |
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| 22:30.52 | Skrot | eeyore-: Sounds like a plan :) |
| 22:31.31 | mathias64 | ey: hmm. Personally, I would just go to the second VT and confiugre the network by hand. But an easier way is to download a current sarge netinst CD and use that; it is more likely to work right. |
| 22:31.33 | marc_gerges | earlier today I enquired about root on lvm. And I was convinced that it's a better idea to have root on a 'real' partition |
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| 22:31.48 | ribnitz | ey: you dont have an option to get a more recent netinst cd? |
| 22:31.49 | valdyn | Skrot: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/disk, repeat |
| 22:31.53 | eeyore- | Skrot: costed us $1800 to recover data off 2.5" drive that's just got bad electronics. if you're talking about scanning the surface to get any deep-down data, i can imagine it'd cost a lot more than that |
| 22:31.57 | EmleyMoor | I need to do acl debugging on exim4 - how do I make it log what the acl is actually doing somewhere? |
| 22:32.01 | ey | mathias64: i have no empty cds here.. :( |
| 22:32.04 | marc_gerges | in moving root, what do I need to think of - except making grub point to /dev/hdwhatever |
| 22:32.04 | marc_gerges | ? |
| 22:32.13 | Skrot | eeyore-: I see. I wasn't aware. :) |
| 22:32.39 | saloxin | valdyn: shred and wipe does this, with bells and whistles too |
| 22:32.44 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: Root on LVM is a bad idea, imo |
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| 22:32.57 | Skrot | Yes, wipe sounds good |
| 22:32.59 | EmleyMoor | (this is exim4 as installed in sarge) |
| 22:32.59 | mathias64 | ey: OK. Try running the installer in EXPERT mode, and see if that helps. |
| 22:32.59 | valdyn | saloxin: probably, dont know these |
| 22:33.16 | marc_gerges | ribnitz, we got so far this morning - I don't need to be convinced |
| 22:33.21 | marc_gerges | I just need to fix it now |
| 22:33.23 | marc_gerges | :-) |
| 22:33.24 | bdhenderson | can someone help me with an apt error |
| 22:33.33 | valdyn | saloxin: shred is filesystem dependent |
| 22:33.45 | valdyn | saloxin: not reading the other's manpage |
| 22:33.50 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: yes, please shoot the crowd. |
| 22:33.55 | marc_gerges | question is, what should i be prepared for? |
| 22:33.57 | saloxin | Skrot: it's useless on journaling filesystems, unless you take the whole partition of course |
| 22:34.18 | marc_gerges | ribnitz, ? |
| 22:34.33 | Skrot | saloxin: Two of them used ext3, so I guess i'll wipe the entire partition |
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| 22:34.58 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: 1) Small boot partition containing kernel and modules ( about 700-800 mb max). |
| 22:35.07 | marc_gerges | ok, got that |
| 22:35.12 | eeyore- | what's the difference, in a nutshell, between karamba and superkaramba? is one just better than the other? what? |
| 22:35.24 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: I personally would also do /root outside lvm. |
| 22:35.27 | Lee__ | one is super |
| 22:35.43 | silvinho | marcos_fontana: i never run root on lvm too much of a pain |
| 22:35.55 | bdhenderson | anyone have a link to a large apt repo? |
| 22:36.01 | stew | root on lvm isn't a pain at all so long as you have a boot outside of lvm |
| 22:36.06 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: and I'd keep a copy of the lvm toolset around on a non-lvm volume. |
| 22:36.06 | chealer | bdhenderson: large in what way? |
| 22:36.11 | silvinho | stew: heh touche |
| 22:36.12 | Lee__ | bdhenderson, ftp.debian.org |
| 22:36.34 | marc_gerges | ribnitz, that's exactly what I want to do now. I have my root down to 400MB and have a sufficient partition. I currently have it on lvm. I want to move it out. What need I be aware of - expect cp -a the whole stuff over and change grub's menu.lst |
| 22:36.42 | bdhenderson | well, im trying to install a deb package, and im getting an error saying the it has no installation candidate |
| 22:36.54 | saloxin | Skrot: wipe -k /dev/hdb1 etc. and prepare to wait a loooong time |
| 22:36.55 | stew | bdhenderson: what package? what version of debian? |
| 22:36.56 | chealer | bdhenderson: which release, which package? |
| 22:37.23 | Skrot | saloxin: Hehe. How long does it usually take for lets say 45GB? |
| 22:37.41 | saloxin | Skrot: depending on a lot i'd say like 12 ours |
| 22:37.42 | bdhenderson | ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:37.44 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: the usual the more you value your data the more partitions you have. also don't span disk sets. |
| 22:37.52 | Skrot | saloxin: okay |
| 22:37.55 | stew | bdhenderson: you need to add contrib /msg dpkg contrib |
| 22:38.15 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: ie. one lvm physical corresponds to 1 disk or 1 hardware raid. |
| 22:38.16 | bdhenderson | stew: i need to do what? |
| 22:38.24 | stew | !tell bdhenderson about contrib |
| 22:38.30 | saloxin | Skrot: i used to have a floppy doing this automaticly on boot :-) |
| 22:38.42 | marc_gerges | ribnitz, that would sort of defeat lvm's purpose... |
| 22:38.47 | Skrot | saloxin: haha, for what purpose? |
| 22:39.00 | saloxin | Skrot: cleaning up |
| 22:39.09 | Skrot | Fair enough :) |
| 22:39.29 | EmleyMoor | If I use exim4's "-d" options in the defaults file, does the output that would normally be generated on stderr get logged? |
| 22:39.35 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: put the other way: for the lvm volume to work, all physicals need to be readable completely. |
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| 22:39.46 | efaistos | what pkg to install to convert a file to mp3 ... |
| 22:40.11 | mathias64 | efaistos: lame is a popular one |
| 22:40.11 | pingouin | from ? |
| 22:40.13 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: now if you have a softraid (md) below, the md layer would handle that (look at evms then= |
| 22:40.18 | stew | efaistos: there is no mp3 authoring software in debian because of patent restrictions, but you can use lame from marillat /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:40.51 | saloxin | something like this: for i in `awk {'print $4'} /proc/partitions | egrep "[0-9]"`; do wipe -k $i; done |
| 22:40.58 | rking | so, i installed debian testing on a laptop under vmware, and the 3rd boot (1st = CD, 2nd = Initial setup) gives me "Configuring the base system..." x 5 and then says, "init: id 1 respawning too fast, disabled for 5 minutes" |
| 22:41.13 | ribnitz | marc_gerges: and for me the purpose of lvm is to be able to grow volumes dynamically. |
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| 22:41.30 | rking | i can login on VC 2, but how do i shut that message up? |
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| 22:41.58 | ribnitz | brb.. |
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| 22:42.47 | rking | should i manually remove the /usr/sbin/base-config line in /etc/inittab? |
| 22:43.21 | saloxin | rking: or run base-config in vc2 and see why it fails |
| 22:43.28 | rking | saloxin: cool |
| 22:43.29 | rking | thanks |
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| 22:44.29 | rking | looks like / was full |
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| 22:45.54 | EmleyMoor | How do I log exim4 acl debugging? |
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| 22:47.09 | |fpitt| | night! |
| 22:47.26 | eeyore- | hmmm, metatheme.org, interesting |
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| 22:51.53 | bdhenderson | Lee__: i added ftp://ftp.debian.org to my synaptic repo and im getting errors when reloading the packages |
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| 22:52.33 | bnoji | I need to configure exim on a standalone server... |
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| 22:53.16 | sepski | bnoji, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:53.21 | Lee__ | bdhenderson, man sources.list |
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| 22:53.49 | ribnitz | back |
| 22:54.05 | bnoji | sepski: I'm not sure how yet. |
| 22:54.19 | bnoji | It's just an apcupsd machine that needs to be able to send notification emails |
| 22:54.20 | thesofa | good evening all |
| 22:54.29 | Arafangion | bnoji: Don't know how to cut&paste? |
| 22:54.51 | bnoji | Arafangion: what would i be pasting? |
| 22:54.54 | tuv | for wpa_supplicant, is it possible to define a fall-back network block that catches all ssid's for unsecure networks? |
| 22:55.07 | Arafangion | bnoji: Umm, sepski's suggestion. |
| 22:55.25 | cowbybeep | hi all.. i have this kind of problem when installing pysqlite: src/util.h:33: error: syntax error before '*' token |
| 22:55.25 | cowbybeep | src/util.h:33: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype |
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| 22:55.40 | bnoji | Arafangion: I'm pretty sure i need to use a smarthost to relay the mail |
| 22:55.41 | cowbybeep | i'm using python install to work |
| 22:55.42 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: Ahh, yes, you forgot to compile it first. |
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| 22:55.50 | bnoji | but all of our smtp servers require auth to send mail |
| 22:55.55 | cowbybeep | sorry 4 my noob |
| 22:56.00 | cowbybeep | how can i do it? |
| 22:56.03 | bnoji | can exim handle that fora smart host? |
| 22:56.06 | sepski | bnoji, for only system alert mails i usualy select the smarthost config. with no local mail |
| 22:56.41 | sepski | bnoji, you have no email servers that recive email for your domains. |
| 22:56.41 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: Why are you compiling it? |
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| 22:57.11 | cowbybeep | i' m going to install bittorrent iand i ' m javing a lot of problems with python install |
| 22:57.35 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: Hang on a bit - aren't you installing pysqlite? |
| 22:57.48 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: Why are you *COMPILING* it? |
| 22:57.51 | cowbybeep | yes.. i need it to install bittorrent |
| 22:57.52 | tuv | for wpa_supplicant, is it possible to define a fall-back network block that catches all ssid's for unsecure networks? |
| 22:57.53 | tvn | how can I check if both of my processors are detected ? I already run the kernel-image 2.6 smp |
| 22:58.08 | cowbybeep | i'm reaally |
| 22:58.10 | cowbybeep | noob |
| 22:58.17 | EmleyMoor | tuv: Which version? |
| 22:58.19 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: You're doing it the hard way. |
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| 22:58.22 | cowbybeep | what do you mean by compiling it -_-? |
| 22:58.42 | sepski | tuv, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:58.42 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: Just use apt-get and apt-cache |
| 22:59.03 | cowbybeep | not with python setup.py install? |
| 22:59.05 | EmleyMoor | tuv: which version of wpa_supplicant? |
| 22:59.07 | Krassy | How i can make live CD with custom packages includet ? |
| 22:59.33 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: For pysql, there is likely to already be a debian package. |
| 22:59.47 | cowbybeep | i found only the source |
| 22:59.52 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: If you do have to compile it yourself, you'll need to install build-essential. |
| 23:00.02 | tuv | EmleyMoor: 0.4.6 |
| 23:00.09 | EmleyMoor | tuv: Yes |
| 23:00.11 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: I would also advise using checkinstall to monitor the 'python setup.py' |
| 23:00.18 | tuv | sepski: what does it have to do with cpuinfo? |
| 23:00.31 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: As well as ensuring that you have *ALL* dependencies of the module. |
| 23:00.47 | tuv | EmleyMoor: how? |
| 23:01.01 | cowbybeep | mmmh... in wich way?.. is "checkinstall setup.py" the command line? |
| 23:01.17 | EmleyMoor | tuv: Check /msg |
| 23:01.18 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: "checkinstall 'python setup.py'" |
| 23:01.26 | Krassy | Where i can read about creating live CD from Debian ? |
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| 23:01.58 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: However, you still need to install build-essential, and satisfy all the other dependencies of pysqlite |
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| 23:02.37 | Arafangion | Hmm, the kernel vuls just keep on comming. |
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| 23:02.41 | Snoopinator | hi all |
| 23:02.43 | cowbybeep | build-essential... i think there must be a deb package..isn't so? |
| 23:02.44 | Snoopinator | :) |
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| 23:03.06 | lo- | any idea how come that host -t ns freetehmage.org |
| 23:03.15 | lo- | gives different servers every minute? |
| 23:03.27 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: Yes. |
| 23:03.33 | cowbybeep | thx |
| 23:03.41 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 23:04.05 | Snoopinator | has anyone tested vpn with pptpclient ? |
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| 23:04.17 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: What version of debian are you running? |
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| 23:04.20 | brosiooz | a repository for kde3.5 exist ? |
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| 23:05.07 | cowbybeep | err sorry arafangion: in which dir must i be to execute apt-get install? i mean... i must first decompress it.. isn't it so? |
| 23:05.11 | cowbybeep | sarge |
| 23:05.28 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: Have you read any documentation for debian? |
| 23:05.33 | cowbybeep | err.. |
| 23:05.37 | jberg | im trying to install debian with floppies and the net. it works fine until it wants me to load some drivers, so i insert the net-drivers floppy, but then it breaks on a pcmcia module or something. is this a common thing or should i try with another net-drivers floppy? |
| 23:05.52 | cowbybeep | before coming here i' ve read documentation and faq 4 2 days |
| 23:06.05 | cowbybeep | i wouldn't have join an irc channel -_- |
| 23:06.09 | offby1 | upgrading Sarge today: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed/FATAL: Module DAC960.o not found./etc. Known problem? |
| 23:06.13 | Snoopinator | brosiooz yes try this in your source list : deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main |
| 23:06.16 | lo- | any idea what dns propogation is? |
| 23:06.18 | astrosus | the last net-installer is very powerful |
| 23:06.36 | brosiooz | try ? :| |
| 23:06.41 | brosiooz | anyone have do this ? |
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| 23:07.01 | cowbybeep | err sorry arafangion: in which dir must i be to execute apt-get install? i mean... i must first decompress it.. isn't it so? |
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| 23:07.07 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: Well, apt-get update will update your system's knowledge of current packages for sarge. |
| 23:07.11 | ribnitz | are there tools out there that would allow to record audio (like off realplayer)? |
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| 23:07.19 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: apt-cache search blah will search all packages for 'blah'. |
| 23:07.19 | Snoopinator | well this is just the repository for my distro ... it works |
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| 23:07.38 | astrosus | yes, i use netinstall but with a small cd (150 mo) |
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| 23:07.55 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: And apt-get install blah will install blah (Yes, automatically downloading it and decompressing it, running scripts, and the same for all dependencies) |
| 23:08.05 | cowbybeep | uhm sorry for asking this simple things but i think i got things messed a little bit |
| 23:08.09 | stew | ribnitz: vsound? |
| 23:08.15 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: So, just "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 23:08.40 | astrosus | maybe you can deselect , the error module before installation , in expert mode |
| 23:08.42 | cowbybeep | oh it works ... :) |
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| 23:08.50 | Arafangion | astrosus: Bleh :) |
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| 23:09.10 | astrosus | :D |
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| 23:09.21 | mathias64 | cowbybeep: apt-get build-dep foo will get the packages that package foo thinks are required to compile it. |
| 23:09.40 | cowbybeep | oh.. so it's also better |
| 23:09.40 | Arafangion | mathias64: Assuming that there is a packet for it. |
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| 23:09.57 | cowbybeep | i'm going to write these things on a paper :) |
| 23:10.06 | astrosus | ^^ |
| 23:10.10 | Arafangion | cowbybeep: apt does all the work, if the program is not in apt, I rarely even use it. |
| 23:10.20 | mathias64 | Arafangion: of course. If there isn't then you have to do some research to determine the deps. But build-essential will likely NOT have all the library dependancies that a real program requires. |
| 23:10.38 | Arafangion | mathias64: Yes, I mentioned that |
| 23:10.46 | cowbybeep | cool |
| 23:10.49 | mathias64 | Arafangion: sorry, i must have missed it |
| 23:10.50 | cowbybeep | thank you :) |
| 23:10.57 | astrosus | you can fix dependency error with apt-get install -f , ^^ |
| 23:10.57 | Arafangion | mathias64: It was a while back :) |
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| 23:14.56 | astrosus | well , i go to sleep ^^ |
| 23:14.58 | astrosus | ++ |
| 23:15.03 | mathias64 | good evening |
| 23:15.15 | offby1 | I upgraded sarge today, and got a new kernel (kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686_2.4.27-10sarge1). But it doesn't boot. Is this a known problem? |
| 23:15.35 | mathias64 | offby1: why doesn't it boot? do you get any particular error message? |
| 23:15.35 | astrosus | ? new kernel 2.4 ? |
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| 23:15.48 | abrotman | astrosus: /msg dpkg dsa |
| 23:15.58 | offby1 | mathias64: it complained that it couldn't find /dev/console. I think it panicked. |
| 23:16.00 | ways | hey guys |
| 23:16.08 | astrosus | arf |
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| 23:16.22 | offby1 | mathias64: I notice that the initrd file in /boot is new (i.e. has today's date) but the kernel is old. |
| 23:16.29 | ways | could any one help me with a really simple problem? |
| 23:16.32 | astrosus | so really ggod bye , bye |
| 23:16.40 | offby1 | Also, when dpkg was running, it emitted a lot of warnings that I didn't understand. Like FATAL: Module DAC960.o not found. |
| 23:16.40 | offby1 | FATAL: Module cciss.o not found. |
| 23:16.40 | offby1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.43 | offby1 | etc. |
| 23:16.48 | offby1 | that was from mkinitrd. |
| 23:16.59 | mathias64 | offby1: that will do it. The initrd should match the kernel. |
| 23:17.06 | Servo888 | Are there any other 'tv watching' programs besides, freevo and mythtv that work with the mpeg2 encoders? I know you can use player, but I would look something more like tvtime, only mpeg compatible |
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| 23:17.10 | offby1 | mathias64: any suggestion about how to recover? |
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| 23:17.27 | mathias64 | are you using grub? If so the old kernel is available lower down on the menu |
| 23:17.36 | offby1 | mathias64: it didn't install a new grub entry |
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| 23:17.53 | debugger | I have a kernel-image update, but where should I go to see the changes? the only way is to unpack the .deb file by hand? |
| 23:17.55 | quitte | i'm having trouble related to binutils and gccs multilib support. but i dont understand what it is and how it works at all. and i cant find any introductionary docs about it. can someone help me get a clue,please? |
| 23:18.10 | offby1 | and I'm using LILO on another box which is suffering from the same problem |
| 23:18.15 | mathias64 | offby1: that's very strange. whenever i install a new kernel package, the old one always stays installed. |
| 23:18.24 | offby1 | mathias64: ah well |
| 23:18.48 | mathias64 | offby1: the solution is to boot from a rescue disk or live cd, change the stuff on the HD, and then it will work |
| 23:18.50 | Arafangion | ways: When I meet my maths tutor, I just ask him my maths questions, I don't ask him to see if I can ask the question about "some simple problem", which happens to be a maths problem, do I? |
| 23:19.07 | ways | ah ok |
| 23:19.21 | ways | just thught u guys would be sick of ppl asking trying to be polite yunn |
| 23:19.30 | ways | so anyways |
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| 23:19.35 | Arafangion | ways: We are :) |
| 23:19.38 | ways | im new to this jibabba |
| 23:19.42 | pingouin | what i have to do if i change my keyboard ? |
| 23:19.51 | ways | how do i access what would be c;/ on windows |
| 23:19.53 | offby1 | mathias64: well, sure. But _what_ stuff should I change, and _how_ do I change it? |
| 23:19.54 | pingouin | change X setting in XFConfig-86 ? |
| 23:19.57 | Arafangion | ways: MSN and the like are quite informal. irc is relatively quite formal. |
| 23:20.06 | Arafangion | ways: Well, you'd have to mount it first. |
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| 23:20.11 | pingouin | or dpkg-reconfigure some package (keyboard ? ) |
| 23:20.11 | offby1 | mathias64: for example, if I decide to go back to the old kernel -- which files do I restore? Where do I get them from? |
| 23:20.13 | Arafangion | ways: Where is the c:? |
| 23:20.21 | ways | could i pvt u and u talk me through it? |
| 23:20.33 | Arafangion | ways: No, keep it in the channel. |
| 23:20.37 | ways | ok |
| 23:20.48 | mathias64 | offby: see if it kept the old initrd, and switch back to that one |
| 23:20.50 | ways | so mounting how does one go about that |
| 23:20.55 | Arafangion | ways: c: is usually the first partition on the first hdd, so it's probably /dev/hda1 |
| 23:20.56 | offby1 | mathias64: it did not keep the old initrd. |
| 23:21.12 | ways | yea it the first device on my ide cable if thats any help |
| 23:21.18 | mathias64 | offby: hmm. So it kept the old kernel image, but made a new initrd, and the new initrd doesn't work? |
| 23:21.29 | Arafangion | ways: Does debian have /media ? (Or does it still use /mnt ?) |
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| 23:21.37 | mathias64 | offby: I'm just trying to get a feel for what is going on |
| 23:21.38 | ways | so i just type /dev/hda1 |
| 23:21.40 | ways | ? |
| 23:21.52 | ways | dont ask me im stupid with linux |
| 23:21.55 | ways | :P |
| 23:22.02 | Arafangion | ways: What does "ls /media" say? |
| 23:22.04 | ricardo | quitte: http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GCConIRC |
| 23:22.07 | mathias64 | ways: try ``mount /dev/hda1 /mnt'' |
| 23:22.13 | quitte | ricardo: thanks |
| 23:22.18 | buu_ | Gah. Does anyone recall how to 'unfreeze' a screen session? I hit some key by accident and froze it, it won't respond to any key press, c-a d, or anything. If I try to screen -r -d; from another terminal, it just hangs |
| 23:22.29 | Arafangion | mathias64: I'm goign for a more permanent approach. |
| 23:22.34 | ways | i can do all this without been in root right i made a fuck up before of using root all the time shit loads of problems |
| 23:22.38 | mathias64 | Arafangion: /etc/fstab, right |
| 23:22.46 | repp | buu_: Try ctrl-a q |
| 23:22.46 | Arafangion | mathias64: Indeed. |
| 23:22.47 | ricardo | quitte: they will be helpful if this is a "development of gcc" issue, not so much with "usage of gcc" |
| 23:22.50 | buu_ | repp: I am =[ |
| 23:22.52 | Arafangion | mathias64: Does debian use /media? |
| 23:22.56 | offby1 | mathias64: yes -- I've got the old kernel, and the new initrd. |
| 23:23.08 | buu_ | repp: No change. |
| 23:23.09 | repp | buu_: try straight ctrl-q then? |
| 23:23.16 | buu_ | Same =/ |
| 23:23.17 | Arafangion | ways: Some things you can't do without root. |
| 23:23.22 | ways | i cant stress how new i am to this so whereabouts would i type this command |
| 23:23.24 | repp | buu_: scroll-lock key? |
| 23:23.26 | mathias64 | mathias64: well, I have that directory, but I never use it. |
| 23:23.28 | quitte | ricardo: i'm trying to build a cross toolchain. and my main problem is that i have no clue about multilib at all |
| 23:23.41 | Arafangion | ways: In your shell, type "ls /media", what does that say? |
| 23:23.46 | buu_ | repp: Pressed that |
| 23:23.47 | ricardo | I'd recommend the gcc-help mailing list then. |
| 23:23.48 | mathias64 | offby1: OK. Can you boot from a CD? |
| 23:23.54 | ways | shell is a termianl? |
| 23:24.27 | repp | ways: yes, although really, a terminal presents a shell is a better way of thinking of it |
| 23:24.32 | mathias64 | ways: yes, the shell is a terminal. Or, your run a shell inside a terminal. |
| 23:24.41 | ways | ok |
| 23:24.49 | Arafangion | mathias64: Thanks, wasn't sure how I'd say that, I'm too damn pedantic :) |
| 23:24.55 | ways | it gives me a list of cdroms and floppys |
| 23:24.56 | offby1 | mathias64: yes, I've got a Knoppix CD in there now. |
| 23:25.00 | ways | when i type ls /media |
| 23:25.14 | mathias64 | offby1: mount your HD somewhere like /mnt, chroot to that directory, and then you can use the debian tools to try to reinstall the kernel image. see if that works |
| 23:25.37 | Arafangion | ways: Ok, so debian _does_ use /media. Good. As root (type "su -" and supply your root password), do the following: |
| 23:25.38 | offby1 | mathias64: OK |
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| 23:25.56 | Arafangion | ways: "mkdir /media/winxp" |
| 23:25.57 | ways | whats su do? |
| 23:26.06 | Arafangion | ways: switches the user, by default to root. |
| 23:26.11 | ways | ok |
| 23:26.30 | mathias64 | Arafangion: really I guess you run a shell attached to a tty which might be attached to a terminal, although I haven't seen a terminal in a long time |
| 23:27.01 | ways | errrm |
| 23:27.04 | Arafangion | mathias64: imho, the terminal (or terminal emulator) is the program that you generally use to display the shell, these days. |
| 23:27.07 | ways | how do i switch to root again |
| 23:27.13 | ways | think lamans |
| 23:27.22 | Arafangion | ways: Have you typed "su -"? |
| 23:27.26 | ways | yea |
| 23:27.33 | mathias64 | I think the key word there is ``emulator'' |
| 23:27.35 | Arafangion | ways: Then type "whoami" |
| 23:27.35 | ways | ahhh |
| 23:27.52 | ways | su - what is this command doing |
| 23:28.00 | Arafangion | ways: It switched user. |
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| 23:28.07 | ways | always to root? |
| 23:28.12 | mathias64 | If I knew a place to get a cheap real terminal, that would be the life |
| 23:28.18 | Arafangion | ways: Unless you specify otherwise, yes. |
| 23:28.23 | ways | ok ty |
| 23:28.25 | bnoji | What is a good way to notify Windows domain clients of a shutdown? |
| 23:28.33 | offby1 | mathias64: no luck; same failures as before. |
| 23:28.38 | ways | right im in |
| 23:28.39 | bnoji | I was thinking "net send" to popup a message, but thats not available in the samba version |
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| 23:28.45 | mathias64 | offby1: what exactly did you do? |
| 23:28.52 | hans0lo | Arafangion: what's the deal with the minus after su.. I used to use the minus all the time in redhat.. debian I haven't used the minus yet... |
| 23:28.59 | Arafangion | mathias64: I always use vim, what editor do you recommend ways to use? |
| 23:29.02 | ways | the promt is beginning with my computers name correct? |
| 23:29.04 | offby1 | mathias64: I booted Knoppix single-user (i.e., typed "knoppix 2" at it boot prompt) ... |
| 23:29.11 | offby1 | then "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" |
| 23:29.14 | Arafangion | hans0lo: It gets you to use the login shell. |
| 23:29.15 | offby1 | then "chroot /mnt/hda1" |
| 23:29.23 | offby1 | then "cd /var/cache/apt/archives" |
| 23:29.24 | mathias64 | Arafangion: nano is there by default and has all the keystrokes at the bottom of the screen |
| 23:29.28 | Arafangion | hans0lo: So you have root's environment variables, etc. |
| 23:29.32 | offby1 | then "dpkg -i kernel_image-whatever-it-is" |
| 23:29.34 | bnoji | Basically, I'm trying to get the same effect as the shutdown message on a unix system, but distributed to all domain clients |
| 23:29.44 | mathias64 | offby1: it will say ``already installed'' right? |
| 23:29.45 | Arafangion | ways: Now, type "nano /etc/fstab", and add the following line to it: |
| 23:29.48 | hans0lo | Arafangion: just whatever root has as the shell in /etc/passwd? ahh ok, gotcha |
| 23:29.52 | offby1 | mathias64: no, I don't think it said that. |
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| 23:30.13 | Arafangion | hans0lo: No, not neccessarily, bash behaves differently depending on how it's invoked. |
| 23:30.20 | Arafangion | ways: /dev/hda1 /media/winxp ntfs defaults,umask=022,gid=users 0 0 |
| 23:30.27 | ways | can u break these commands down for me so i can begion to udnerstand what there doing point out variables and whatnot |
| 23:30.31 | mathias64 | offby1: OK. I would try removing the kernel package (dpkg --purge) and then reinstalling it. Then you need to double-check grub to see what is going on |
| 23:30.32 | offby1 | mathias64: it said "the directory /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686 still exists". |
| 23:30.33 | Arafangion | ways: I am assuming that your c: is an ntfs format. |
| 23:30.39 | ways | yup |
| 23:30.41 | Arafangion | ways: nano is a text editor. |
| 23:30.53 | ways | etc/fstab? |
| 23:30.54 | ways | mean |
| 23:30.55 | ways | ? |
| 23:31.03 | mathias64 | offby1: you can remove that directory. As root, use mv to move it to /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686.old |
| 23:31.04 | Arafangion | ways: /etc/fstab describes all the partitions and the like that are mountable. |
| 23:31.14 | Arafangion | ways: fstab --> File System TABle |
| 23:31.18 | ways | why the text editor bit? |
| 23:31.26 | mathias64 | offby1: there are files that are created in there that dpkg doesn't manage, so it won't remove them |
| 23:31.35 | Arafangion | ways: Almost everything on windows is edited via the gui, or regedit. |
| 23:32.04 | Arafangion | ways: ON linux, _EVERYTHING_ (Almost, everything, anyway) is done via text files. |
| 23:32.15 | ways | ok |
| 23:32.16 | mathias64 | Arafangion: it warms my heart. |
| 23:32.30 | Drake2k | hello everyone |
| 23:32.43 | mathias64 | offby1: let me know if you can get the kernel image to reinstall |
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| 23:33.00 | ways | proc /proc p$/dev/hda2 / e$/dev/hda3 /home e$/dev/hda4 none s$/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 i$/dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 i$/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 |
| 23:33.00 | Arafangion | mathias64: I hate nano ;) |
| 23:33.04 | offby1 | mathias64: still trying. |
| 23:33.17 | offby1 | (I'm switching between screens, which is why I respond so slowly) |
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| 23:33.20 | Arafangion | ways: What was that? |
| 23:33.24 | ways | just so u know this is dula booting with xp |
| 23:33.27 | mathias64 | nano is fast, and much easier for people who don't know vi. |
| 23:33.32 | Arafangion | ways: I've assumed that :) |
| 23:33.33 | ways | what nano /etc/fstab gave me |
| 23:33.34 | Drake2k | Is anyone here willing to give me a hand getting a gamepad to work? |
| 23:33.46 | mathias64 | ways; I think we figured that out, since you're mounting an xp partition |
| 23:33.50 | Arafangion | ways: But what did you just paste in here? |
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| 23:33.55 | mathias64 | Drake2k: is it usb or some other interface? |
| 23:34.00 | ways | what nano /etc/fstab turned up |
| 23:34.00 | Arafangion | mathias64: Yeah, vim grows on you. |
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| 23:34.24 | Arafangion | ways: Was it garbled like that, or was that how it was pasted? |
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| 23:34.33 | Drake2k | usb, using Debian (woohoo) and KDE, I can see it using usbview but the control center doesn't see it |
| 23:34.41 | Tuttle_ | What is the difference between package: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 and kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 ? |
| 23:34.55 | ways | its neat here |
| 23:34.57 | Drake2k | I just made the switch to linux a week ago 'beware' |
| 23:34.58 | ways | what am i looking for |
| 23:34.59 | Arafangion | ways: Good. |
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| 23:35.04 | Arafangion | ways: Have you added that line? |
| 23:35.09 | ways | i got hda 234 |
| 23:35.12 | mathias64 | Here's an intersting question I just thought of. Is there an easy way to hook up a serial terminal, ike a vt220, but multiples the regular keyboard somehow so that you ``switch'' between your X monitor and your terminal monitor? |
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| 23:35.35 | mathias64 | Tuttle_: same kernel version, but -2- is a newer version by the package maintainer. |
| 23:35.35 | ways | how do i make the writing go red like that? |
| 23:35.41 | mathias64 | It might have bug fixes etc |
| 23:35.45 | Arafangion | ways: Like what? |
| 23:35.49 | ways | like yours is |
| 23:35.52 | offby1 | mathias64: nothin' I do don't seem to work. I suspect there's a packaging problem; and that I'm not the only one to suffer; and that they'll soon be releasing a fix |
| 23:35.59 | ways | at the begiining it says ways: |
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| 23:36.15 | Arafangion | ways: It's probably because your client has been setup to highlight anything we say that has your nick in it. |
| 23:36.30 | ways | ah uyour typing my name each time??? |
| 23:36.33 | eyy | how can i see which users are logged in to my system |
| 23:36.34 | Arafangion | ways: Yes. |
| 23:36.37 | DHX_ | bonne nuit |
| 23:36.40 | ways | wow im to lazy:P |
| 23:36.41 | ways | thanks |
| 23:36.42 | Arafangion | eyy: "who" |
| 23:36.43 | mathias64 | offby1: you could try downloading an older kernel package and installing that. |
| 23:36.49 | x`y`-xy | how can instal postfix on debian |
| 23:36.57 | eyy | Arafangion:thnx |
| 23:36.59 | x`y`-xy | pls help me |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | any bad words on the kernel updates? |
| 23:37.09 | mathias64 | x`y`-xy: apt-get install postfix |
| 23:37.13 | x`y`-xy | ok |
| 23:37.15 | x`y`-xy | thx |
| 23:37.18 | Arafangion | abrotman: Lots, see the ****'ometer. |
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| 23:37.19 | abrotman | !thx |
| 23:37.19 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 23:37.24 | ways | i got /dev/hda2-4 |
| 23:37.26 | Tuttle_ | mathias64: apt wont automatically upgrade to newer version? how will i know i should install it? recent kernel update is not done on server running kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686, only on my second server, where kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 is running. |
| 23:37.31 | ways | that seem to be what im looking for |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | Arafangion: i see nothing in the topic |
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| 23:37.46 | Arafangion | ways: What are you doing? |
| 23:37.46 | abrotman | Tuttle_: yes it will . if you have a meta package installed |
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| 23:37.50 | ways | agggh |
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| 23:38.05 | ways | i typed nano /etc/fstab and im telling what im seeing now |
| 23:38.32 | Arafangion | ways: All I said was to add that line: /dev/hda1 /media/winxp ntfs defaults,umask=022,gid=users 0 0 |
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| 23:38.39 | mathias64 | Tuttle_: if your current kernel is working, the safest thing to do is to stay with it. |
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| 23:38.57 | ways | how?? |
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| 23:39.07 | ways | i keep saying complete newbie here |
| 23:39.14 | ways | sorry if this is trying your pateints |
| 23:39.23 | Tuttle_ | mathias64: it is working, but today the security announcement was issued, there are severe vulnerabilities. |
| 23:39.40 | Arafangion | ways: Move the cursor all the way down, and all the way to the right. |
| 23:39.44 | Arafangion | ways: hit enter. |
| 23:39.52 | ways | ok so possitions isnt kcritical? |
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| 23:39.54 | Arafangion | ways: Then cut and paste that line I showed you. |
| 23:39.56 | mathias64 | Drake: if you put someone's name at the front of the line then their client will often make the reply stand out. I don't know about kde, sorry, so I can't say about control center. |
| 23:39.57 | Arafangion | ways: No. |
| 23:39.58 | Tuttle_ | and i was surprised the kernel was not going to be updated |
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| 23:40.08 | offby1 | Tuttle_: I'd avoid that upgrade, at least until _I_ figure out why it prevents my machine from rebooting :-| |
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| 23:40.23 | ricardo | offby1: what arch are you on? |
| 23:40.24 | Tuttle_ | abrotman: which one is the metapackage, please? |
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| 23:40.41 | ways | ok done that |
| 23:40.45 | repp | ways: What you need is this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201406535/002-3093377-8276032?v=glance&n=283155 |
| 23:40.47 | Arafangion | ways: Save and quit. |
| 23:40.56 | Arafangion | ways: While still as root, type "mount /media/winxp" |
| 23:41.06 | ways | will exiting save auto? |
| 23:41.17 | Arafangion | ways: I don't know. |
| 23:41.21 | Tuttle_ | offby1: the kernel pkgs in today's announces are problematic? |
| 23:41.24 | Arafangion | ways: Save manually - I don't use nano. |
| 23:41.33 | Arafangion | ways: I use vim, but it's a complicated editor. |
| 23:41.38 | ways | when i typed nano /etc/fstab how did it know where to find the file im editing |
| 23:41.38 | mathias64 | Tuttle_: OK, so the -2- version seems better now. I looked at http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-921 |
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| 23:41.50 | mathias64 | ways: it will ask you to save when you exit |
| 23:41.55 | Arafangion | ways: You told it. "/etc/fstab". |
| 23:42.10 | ways | etc is??? |
| 23:42.23 | Arafangion | ways: Generally all configuration files belong to /etc |
| 23:42.27 | ways | ok |
| 23:42.33 | mathias64 | ways: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
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| 23:42.40 | Tuttle_ | I think I should have installed kernel-image-2.4-686 instead of kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 on one server and kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 on another. right? |
| 23:43.00 | Arafangion | mathias64: I hate /usr/etc :( |
| 23:43.26 | ways | how do i get back to my promt i try typing and it just adds it do the word file |
| 23:43.28 | mathias64 | Arafangion: there's /usr/etc in there? I don't see it |
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| 23:43.44 | d0ugie | doesn't 2.4 or 2.6 or whatever give you the latest you'd otherwise find (IE not 2.6.0) |
| 23:43.47 | phrontist | how do I mount a DVD? |
| 23:43.58 | mathias64 | phrontist: with the command ``mount'' |
| 23:44.05 | Arafangion | mathias64: This box is not debian, it's all installed from source, and some programs are buggy, when you specify --prefix=/usr, it makes that PREFIX, and etc is merely PREFIX/etc |
| 23:44.08 | phrontist | mathias: naturally :-) |
| 23:44.23 | offby1 | ricardo, Tuttle_: the worrisome packages are kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 2.4.27-10sarge1 |
| 23:44.27 | ricardo | ok. |
| 23:44.30 | Arafangion | ways: Have you typed "mount /media/winxp" ? |
| 23:44.33 | ways | yep |
| 23:44.36 | ricardo | I'm using 2.6 series kernels. |
| 23:44.37 | ways | i want to exit now |
| 23:44.47 | mathias64 | Arafangion: I I said configure --prefix=/usr I would expect that PREFIX is /usr , but maybe that's just me. |
| 23:44.49 | offby1 | I'm going to try a 386 image instead, perhaps that'll magically work :-| |
| 23:44.50 | Arafangion | ways: Now type "exit", then "whoami" to confirm that you are not root anymore. |
| 23:44.54 | npx | Man, FreeBSD 6 is *fast* |
| 23:44.59 | mathias64 | offby1: what architecture are you on? |
| 23:45.02 | Arafangion | mathias64: Yes, but it puts /etc onto PREFIX. |
| 23:45.11 | ways | exit will just get added to the word file thugh |
| 23:45.12 | Arafangion | npx: I've been meaning to try it. |
| 23:45.18 | Arafangion | ways: word file? |
| 23:45.21 | Tuttle_ | offby1: it's the pkg currently offered by aptitude for 2.4 |
| 23:45.25 | mathias64 | Arafangion: I would be upset if it doesn't put everythig into prefix. What about configure --prefix=/usr/local ? |
| 23:45.25 | npx | I'm very impressed with it. |
| 23:45.27 | ways | this nano thing im in |
| 23:45.34 | Arafangion | ways: Are you still in nano? |
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| 23:45.41 | ways | yup |
| 23:45.43 | offby1 | mathias64: x86 |
| 23:46.01 | offby1 | Tuttle_: yes. |
| 23:46.08 | mathias64 | offby1: then you don't need a 386 kernel. You need the 686 kernel, almost for sure |
| 23:46.09 | Arafangion | ways: Get rid of the "mount /media/winxp", it doesn't belong in there. |
| 23:46.09 | offby1 | Tuttle_: It's a security upgrade for Sarge. |
| 23:46.24 | offby1 | mathias64: Well, since the 686 kernel doesn't boot, I figured I'd try something else. |
| 23:46.34 | Tuttle_ | offby1: so i should not upgrade until something settle? |
| 23:46.44 | offby1 | Tuttle_: well, it's up to you; maybe I'm an idiot. |
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| 23:46.48 | mathias64 | offby1: I would bet it's a grub issue. Is the new kernel image in /boot? |
| 23:46.50 | offby1 | maybe it'll work just fine for you. |
| 23:47.06 | offby1 | mathias64: hold on |
| 23:47.08 | ways | ok now this is confusing....this file im in has things like /dev/hdc i added the line /dev/hda1 /media/winxp |
| 23:47.12 | ways | ntfs |
| 23:47.18 | ways | i want to exit this editor |
| 23:47.25 | aarkerio | Hi! I installed an IMAP server and now can I see my messages and drafts from home or work |
| 23:47.28 | mathias64 | ways: control-x |
| 23:47.31 | Tuttle_ | seems the metapackage is better. what are the necessary transition steps from a concrete kernel package to a metapackage? |
| 23:47.32 | Arafangion | ways: I told you to save and exit - mathias64 tells me that nano has all the commands at the bottom of the screen. |
| 23:47.40 | offby1 | mathias64: no, it's an older kernel in /boot; the only new thing in /boot is initrd.img |
| 23:47.44 | ways | ok ty |
| 23:47.46 | mathias64 | aarkerio: good for you! |
| 23:47.47 | aarkerio | I mean home and work |
| 23:47.52 | ways | wondered what the ^ was |
| 23:47.58 | ways | i assume thats control |
| 23:48.02 | aarkerio | but the addressbook keeps "local" |
| 23:48.04 | Arafangion | ways: Oh, that's correct :) |
| 23:48.07 | mathias64 | ways: I was about to say it means control and the next letter |
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| 23:48.12 | ways | im a clever retard! |
| 23:48.14 | ways | lol |
| 23:48.21 | Arafangion | ways: It's a unix convention. |
| 23:48.27 | aarkerio | I mean if I add a email in office I can get on home |
| 23:48.38 | ways | yea ill learn |
| 23:48.40 | aarkerio | how can I solve this problem? |
| 23:48.43 | Arafangion | ways: So you've quit? |
| 23:48.46 | ways | so fstab is a configuration file? |
| 23:48.57 | Arafangion | ways: Yes, it is, as is almost every file in /etc |
| 23:49.03 | aarkerio | LDAP MYSQL ? |
| 23:49.09 | aarkerio | NFS? |
| 23:49.15 | ways | remeber im a m$ person but shouldnt it have a .txt or somesuch ont he end |
| 23:49.16 | Arafangion | ways: Equivalent to the windows registry, except many times more reliable. |
| 23:49.24 | Arafangion | ways: Unix does not use extensions. |
| 23:49.42 | ways | how do u know what the file is designed for? |
| 23:49.44 | mathias64 | offby: I put some things from my /boot/grub/menu.lst in http://pastebin.com/464536 I may have to go soon |
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| 23:50.00 | Arafangion | ways: You can use .txt for your own files if you want, but the mount tools are looking for /etc/fstab, not /etc/fstab.txt, so do not change hte name. |
| 23:50.26 | Arafangion | ways: Long experience, in conjunction with "man fstab". |
| 23:50.33 | ways | i wont, wuite alot of things seem radically differnet in unix im just trying to make note of the differences |
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| 23:50.43 | nuskool | ways: or just make a bunch of sym links to .txt extended files... |
| 23:50.45 | ways | right im logged in as my user name again |
| 23:50.57 | ways | plz advice |
| 23:50.58 | npx | nuskool, that's the most awkward think ever =) |
| 23:50.58 | Arafangion | ways: You still need to mount it as root. |
| 23:51.00 | ways | advise |
| 23:51.01 | deadcat | anyone familiar setting up bind to handle all request? like blah.com points to the same machine. blah.edu blah . anything will point to 192.168.0.1 (dns server, current machine) |
| 23:51.04 | npx | thing* |
| 23:51.08 | ways | ah ok |
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| 23:51.16 | Arafangion | ways: Did you get out of root? Get back into root, and type "mount /media/winxp" |
| 23:51.21 | nuskool | npx: sure is |
| 23:51.31 | mathias64 | ok, i'm gone. good night everyone |
| 23:51.37 | Arafangion | mathias64: Thanks :) |
| 23:51.51 | Tuttle_ | is it true i can have installed as many kernel packages together without an interference? |
| 23:52.03 | ways | [mntent]: line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 23:52.03 | ways | [mntent]: line 2 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 23:52.03 | ways | mount: mount point /media/winxp does not exist |
| 23:52.07 | aarkerio | any idea? |
| 23:52.14 | EdLin | !any idea? |
| 23:52.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 23:52.19 | nuskool | npx: who doesn't like making 10-20 level nested symlinks though? |
| 23:52.19 | ways | what have i done! |
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| 23:52.29 | npx | nuskool, no one, that's who! |
| 23:52.36 | npx | I think the init system is genius |
| 23:52.38 | Arafangion | ways: Ok, you've made a mistake in that file. |
| 23:52.45 | ways | ok one sec ill get back in |
| 23:52.46 | nuskool | <--- this guy.. that's who |
| 23:52.52 | Arafangion | ways: www.rafb.net/paste, and paste the file. |
| 23:52.57 | npx | sysv init. pissing in the faces of noobs since 1970. |
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| 23:53.09 | Arafangion | npx: Heh. |
| 23:53.25 | ways | wont that file change all my existing settings? |
| 23:53.33 | Arafangion | ways: Just about :) |
| 23:53.42 | Arafangion | ways: Don't worry, this is easy to fix. |
| 23:53.45 | offby1 | Tuttle_: I'm back in business -- it boots. I think one of my attempts to reinstall the kernel actually worked, even though I thought it didn't. |
| 23:53.59 | ways | ok ill take ur word for it this installation is screwed anyways |
| 23:53.59 | Tuttle_ | great |
| 23:54.01 | litage | how do LSI raid controllers compare to other manufacturers, say 3Ware? |
| 23:54.04 | ways | keyboard erros or something |
| 23:54.08 | offby1 | I was assuming that it didn't work because there was only one kernel in /boot, not two as I expected; and the kernel that was there had a last-mod-time of August. |
| 23:54.20 | Arafangion | ways: Copy the file (Highlight it), and paste it into www.rafb.net/paste (In your web browser). the middle-mouse button is 'paste'. |
| 23:54.28 | streuner | litage: read debian-isp ML ... |
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| 23:54.34 | ways | ok c+? |
| 23:54.43 | Arafangion | Just plain text. |
| 23:54.43 | Tuttle_ | offby1: i'd wish to know there are no known problems, since the servers are 100km from me. :) |
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| 23:54.54 | Arafangion | ways: The last option in that list - plain text. |
| 23:54.57 | roberto | .. |
| 23:55.00 | nuskool | di.fm == greatest invention ever |
| 23:55.08 | Arafangion | nuskool: What is that? |
| 23:55.09 | litage | thanks streuner |
| 23:55.10 | streuner | litage: debian-isp ML *swear* on 3ware |
| 23:55.16 | AlverGone | Hello. I just started using SCIM for input, and now acroread segfaults while loading. The backtrace shows scim-related stuff. Who should I talk to for this? |
| 23:55.18 | litage | streuner: heh really |
| 23:55.18 | nuskool | Arafangion: www.di.fm |
| 23:55.19 | Tuttle_ | so, i'd be offby100 :) |
| 23:55.19 | stew | 3ware rules |
| 23:55.23 | roberto | , |
| 23:55.30 | streuner | litage. read that yourself... |
| 23:55.33 | ways | and then? |
| 23:55.46 | EdLin | AlverGone: use xpdf. |
| 23:55.54 | Arafangion | ways: Copy the text from that file into the large text area, and hit paste. |
| 23:55.59 | offby1 | Tuttle_: if I were you, I'd wait until someone you know has had a smooth upgrade. |
| 23:56.07 | ways | and so thois has cortrected the werros? |
| 23:56.08 | ways | errors? |
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| 23:56.20 | Arafangion | ways: No, it'll let me take a look at it :) |
| 23:56.22 | roberto | .. |
| 23:56.25 | AlverGone | EdLin: I could do that, but that would be working around bugs, which is bad style. |
| 23:56.26 | SWAT | I currently have a Debian install. Can I somehow size it down to about 8MB RAM usage? |
| 23:56.29 | ways | how? |
| 23:56.36 | Arafangion | ways: Once you've hit paste, you should get another website, give me the url. |
| 23:56.37 | roberto | err arafangion i'm cowboybeep |
| 23:56.45 | EdLin | AlverGone: using closed source software is bad style too |
| 23:56.45 | roberto | i'm back with another problem.. |
| 23:56.54 | ways | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BCSH2q87.html |
| 23:56.55 | Tuttle_ | offby1: are there any debian specific problems that can arise? |
| 23:57.00 | roberto | when i try apt-get install... comes something like this: |
| 23:57.01 | litage | streuner: aye. already on my way |
| 23:57.10 | offby1 | Tuttle_: I don't understand your question. |
| 23:57.11 | stew | SWAT: not possible, with potato you could get it down to the 14mb range |
| 23:57.12 | roberto | E:impossible to find... (someting like this) |
| 23:57.15 | x`y`-xy | ok ..;i finis instaling postfix ...how can send a email from debian ?? |
| 23:57.20 | ways | so it puts my pastings on a website for other to veiw is that the point of this site? |
| 23:57.33 | SWAT | stew, I think I have sarge |
| 23:57.38 | Arafangion | ways: On the third line, you have something that should be on two lines. |
| 23:57.40 | Arafangion | ways: Yes. |
| 23:57.41 | SWAT | stew, how can I get it down that far? |
| 23:57.42 | EdLin | !nickometer x`y`-xy |
| 23:57.43 | dpkg | 'x`y`-xy' is 80.000% lame, edlin |
| 23:57.46 | streuner | xam: google for 'SMTP HOWTO' |
| 23:57.50 | AlverGone | EdLin: possibly, but the problem remains... the bug seems to be somewhere in /usr/lib/libscim-1.0.so.8 |
| 23:57.53 | stew | SWAT: sarge requires closer to 32mb |
| 23:57.53 | Buddha| | nuskool - you have to pay for that? |
| 23:58.02 | nuskool | Buddha|: nope |
| 23:58.03 | Arafangion | ways: Hit enter right before /dev/hda3 |
| 23:58.03 | streuner | x`y`-xy: google for 'SMTP HOWTO' |
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| 23:58.13 | ways | thats pretty obvious now its cos my termianl box was scrunched up |
| 23:58.16 | AlverGone | Woody runs in 16 happily |
| 23:58.18 | ways | should this bit be hee? |
| 23:58.18 | ways | errors=remount-ro 0 |
| 23:58.23 | Arafangion | ways: Also, the last line is incomplete. |
| 23:58.32 | streuner | x`y`-xy: wordaround.org has some HOWTO's too |
| 23:58.39 | SWAT | stew, what would you recommend ? (I have 32MB RAM and want to bridge 2 NIC's with port blocking so I need a bit of RAM) |
| 23:58.43 | nuskool | Buddha|: well, for the high quality streams you do |
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| 23:58.46 | roberto | i'm trying to use apt-get install... but it says me: building packages list..done.. cratind dependencies tree..done.. and then E: impossible to find... |
| 23:59.07 | stew | SWAT: if you have 32mb you should have no problems |
| 23:59.12 | streuner | roberto: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 23:59.13 | mastermorfeu | only english? |
| 23:59.14 | nuskool | roberto: then you're not installing something that "exists" |
| 23:59.15 | SWAT | AlverGone, how did you get to downsize it to 16MB? |
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| 23:59.28 | Arafangion | ways: What you should have is: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qubTt378.html |
| 23:59.35 | AlverGone | SWAT: I didn't downsize. I used the standard network install floppies, and it worked like a charm out of the box |
| 23:59.36 | mastermorfeu | any portuguese? |
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| 23:59.38 | Arafangion | ways: Yes. |
| 23:59.42 | mastermorfeu | hi |
| 23:59.42 | roberto | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 23:59.42 | roberto | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.42 | roberto | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.56 | mastermorfeu | jo |
