| 00:00.04 | SWAT | stew, but when I bridge it's traffic shaping right? And that requires lots of RAM so I won't have a latency of a turtle? |
| 00:00.06 | Arafangion | ways: That's saying to the init (Initialization) scripts: "If there is anything wrong, mount it again as read-only" |
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| 00:00.17 | streuner | roberto: what do you want to install? |
| 00:00.23 | roberto | bittorrent |
| 00:00.27 | Yourdog | can i get help for installing debian here? |
| 00:00.33 | roberto | or any other application with aptget |
| 00:00.34 | xam | streuner: errm. were you talking to me? |
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| 00:00.41 | streuner | !info rtorrent |
| 00:00.45 | AlverGone | SWAT: 32MB should be enough for any home router machine :) |
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| 00:00.53 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.4.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 121 kB, Installed size: 348 kB |
| 00:00.57 | roberto | no it doesn't work neither with mplayer |
| 00:00.59 | streuner | xam: sorry, wrong nick-completion... |
| 00:01.02 | ways | so the problem was i hadnt completed that last line? |
| 00:01.04 | xam | streuner: ahh, I see ... a typo |
| 00:01.13 | stew | SWAT: dunno, if you are worried about shaping you might start asking in #lartc |
| 00:01.20 | SWAT | AlverGone, it's not routing. Bridging: so pump all the data from eth0 to eth1 and backward and block ports xxxxxx |
| 00:01.36 | websdale | Hi,what's the config that needs changing when you get "fork failed: Cannot allocate memory" when you do apt-get upgrade |
| 00:01.39 | Arafangion | ways: Yes, and the mistake you made where you removed the newline between the second and third line. |
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| 00:01.54 | SWAT | stew, what's that channel? And why is it empty? |
| 00:01.55 | stew | SWAT: but i don't see how having short queues would affect latency |
| 00:02.03 | AlverGone | SWAT: mmm, still, I doubt you need more than 32MB. Don't forget that a stripped down debian uses peanuts. |
| 00:02.03 | ways | how did u decide how to complete that last line |
| 00:02.08 | ways | i mean know what to type |
| 00:02.16 | EdLin | !u |
| 00:02.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:02.17 | debian12yrold | My apt is broken, can anyone help? |
| 00:02.20 | stew | SWAT: oh, there was a channel for lartc.org |
| 00:02.34 | Arafangion | ways: Well, I've read "man fstab". |
| 00:02.35 | streuner | debian12yrold: give use more details |
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| 00:02.36 | SWAT | stew, hehehe, thnk :) |
| 00:02.42 | streuner | debian12yrold: s/use/us/ |
| 00:02.45 | Arafangion | ways: But it takes a while to learn it. |
| 00:02.46 | SWAT | stew, AlverGone, hmmmm OK. So its going to be a question of plain testing. Thanks guys :) |
| 00:02.48 | roberto | when i try to use apt-get install... reading packages done... creating dependencies tree.. E:impossible to find |
| 00:03.01 | debian12yrold | I ran apt-get update and it could not get some things |
| 00:03.02 | roberto | i tried to update sources.list but nothing |
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| 00:03.11 | Arafangion | ways: Eventually you'll know the system well enough to just read a bit, and instantly be an expert. |
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| 00:03.20 | stew | SWAT: if lartc.org has mailing list archives I'd check them |
| 00:03.31 | streuner | roberto: you are running stable, that's just normal then |
| 00:03.34 | nuskool | roberto: what are you trying to install? |
| 00:03.46 | roberto | any application... -_- |
| 00:03.46 | Arafangion | roberto: Why not use the same nick as you did before? |
| 00:03.47 | streuner | roberto: apt-get install rtorrent |
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| 00:04.02 | debian12yrold | I am trying to install Driftnet (I am running unstable) |
| 00:04.04 | roberto | i dont know how to change it |
| 00:04.08 | ways | i get the same fucking error |
| 00:04.10 | SWAT | setw, thanks :) |
| 00:04.11 | Tuttle_ | Is it safe to select kernel-image-2.4-686 now (a metapackage?), install it over kernel-image-2.4.27-{1,2}-686 on my two servers? |
| 00:04.14 | roberto | is it a problem? |
| 00:04.21 | beanz | Where can I find details of today's 2.6 kernel upgrade? |
| 00:04.27 | Arafangion | ways: Did you make the /media/winxp directory as root? |
| 00:04.28 | debian12yrold | Yeah it is a prob |
| 00:04.31 | stew | Tuttle_: yes |
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| 00:04.35 | Yourdog | how do i get around the debian login? |
| 00:04.35 | ways | yup |
| 00:04.36 | streuner | beanz: bugs.debian.org |
| 00:04.45 | Arafangion | ways: Show me your /etc/fstab file again. |
| 00:04.54 | roberto | ... |
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| 00:05.26 | Tuttle_ | stew: then i'll make sure bootloader will boot the dependend package, i'll reboot and then purge older unused kernel-image ? |
| 00:05.41 | stew | Tuttle_: do you run lilo or grub? |
| 00:05.45 | websdale | debian12yrold: are you getting "fork failed: Cannot allocate memory" as I am - or not? |
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| 00:05.50 | ways | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/llKx9k68.html |
| 00:05.55 | stew | Tuttle_: you've got the right idea in any case |
| 00:05.56 | beanz | streuner, is there a known bug, or should I search for "kernel-image-2.6"? |
| 00:06.14 | streuner | beanz: if you running unstable, there is a know bug |
| 00:06.20 | debian12yrold | websdale: i am getting Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 00:06.22 | Tuttle_ | i run grub |
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| 00:06.27 | Arafangion | ways: Hmm, what is the error? |
| 00:06.29 | streuner | beanz: in 2.6.14 kernel-image |
| 00:06.30 | Guerin | debian12yrold: /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 00:06.49 | ways | error in line one and two |
| 00:06.52 | ways | same as the first time |
| 00:06.54 | Guerin | beanz: not a bug, a feature. Search for linux-image |
| 00:06.58 | slummer | Are all foo_i386.deb packages guaranteed to be compiled with a cpu-type=i386? (and not i486 or i586 or i686) |
| 00:07.03 | beanz | streuner, I'm running sarge. I installed the updated kernel image, now the server wont restart |
| 00:07.06 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 00:07.54 | debian12yrold | I think I might just try and re-intall Debian (I used Knoppix 3.4 to install it) |
| 00:07.59 | Guerin | slummer: they are, but I *think* there's something in some new lib version (libc?) which can fail on *86es without a math coprocessor |
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| 00:08.09 | Guerin | debian12yrold: do so |
| 00:08.14 | Tuttle_ | Is there any known difference between kernel-image for 386 and 686 in effectiveness? |
| 00:08.21 | stew | slummer: no, i believe now that i486 is the minimum supported, some packages might be compiled with i486 |
| 00:08.22 | Guerin | Tuttle_: marginal |
| 00:08.34 | debian12yrold | bye |
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| 00:08.36 | streuner | beanz: we need more details (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 00:08.52 | orchid | websdale: do you have tons of proccess's runing? |
| 00:08.56 | beanz | streuner, I can't get more details. This is a remote server. I expected Debian to "just work". |
| 00:09.03 | beanz | It normally does. |
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| 00:09.10 | Arafangion | ways: Do you still get the actual error with respect to /media/winxp? Or just the first two lines? |
| 00:09.11 | streuner | beanz: nothing just works |
| 00:09.21 | beanz | streuner, debian did. |
| 00:09.33 | ways | ill type mount /media/winxp right? |
| 00:09.36 | stew | beanz: why can you not get us more details? |
| 00:09.43 | Guerin | beanz: remote kernel upgrades often mean pain |
| 00:09.45 | streuner | beanz: well, there should be a problem right now? ;-) |
| 00:09.46 | websdale | orchid:no more than normal |
| 00:09.46 | Arafangion | ways: Yes. |
| 00:09.53 | Arafangion | ways: I thought you'd already did that? |
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| 00:10.02 | ways | [mntent]: line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 00:10.02 | ways | [mntent]: line 2 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 00:10.02 | ways | mount: mount point /media/winxp does not exist |
| 00:10.07 | stew | beanz: oh, nm |
| 00:10.17 | deadcat | anyone familiar setting up bind to handle all request? like blah.com points to the same machine. blah.edu blah . anything will point to 192.168.0.1 (dns server, current machine) |
| 00:10.18 | Arafangion | ways: Show me the line containing 'winxp' when you type: ls -lah /media |
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| 00:11.00 | ways | no line contans winxp |
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| 00:11.55 | magyar | ahoy |
| 00:12.02 | g8se | Hey all. Is setting umask in login.degs useful? Or is it overwriden by pam, or individual application settings? |
| 00:12.10 | Arafangion | ways: What does "whoami" say? |
| 00:12.23 | ways | root |
| 00:12.39 | deadcat | g8se: useful |
| 00:12.53 | Arafangion | ways: Ok, type "mkdir /media/winxp" |
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| 00:13.00 | Arafangion | ways: I thought you'd already done that? |
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| 00:13.15 | jberg | im trying to install debian with floppies and the net. it works fine until it wants me to load some drivers, so i insert the net-drivers floppy, but then it breaks on a pcmcia module or something. is this a common thing or should i try with another net-drivers floppy? |
| 00:13.19 | ways | ah ok done that |
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| 00:13.28 | Arafangion | ways: Now try mounting again. |
| 00:13.29 | magyar | i am running sarge 2.6.8, i have e1000 nics, when i reboot the system it wont bring up the interfaces only if i do manualy "rmmod e1000" and "modprobe e1000" why is that? |
| 00:13.32 | ways | ok |
| 00:13.33 | Arafangion | "mount /media/winxp" |
| 00:13.39 | ways | thanks fr the patients |
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| 00:13.50 | Arafangion | ways: Do you get any errors? |
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| 00:13.57 | znx | ways: are you a hospital? ;) hehe |
| 00:14.03 | ways | [mntent]: line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 00:14.04 | ways | [mntent]: line 2 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 00:14.13 | ways | lol point noted znx |
| 00:14.16 | ezu5t | anyone know what package I would find the file /usr/include/X11/Xauth.h? |
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| 00:14.23 | ways | the doesnt exist bity has gone |
| 00:14.29 | ways | bity ! lol |
| 00:14.30 | nuskool | ok, general poll: ALSA or OSS? |
| 00:14.30 | streuner | ezu5t: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:14.34 | beware | are the kernel bugs mentioned in DSA 922-1 also fixed in 2.6.14.3? |
| 00:14.47 | streuner | nuskool: OSS is usually ok |
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| 00:14.51 | znx | ezu5t: xorg/xfree86 ? |
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| 00:14.55 | Arafangion | ways: Are there any spaces before the #'s? |
| 00:15.06 | ways | where abouts |
| 00:15.09 | Arafangion | ways: The file as it exists on rafb.net is perfectly fine. |
| 00:15.12 | ways | in fstab? |
| 00:15.15 | Arafangion | ways: Yes |
| 00:15.24 | nuskool | streuner: general motion is toward ALSA though |
| 00:15.42 | streuner | nuskool: *shrug* |
| 00:15.55 | ways | where am i looking for these #? |
| 00:16.02 | magyar | i am running sarge 2.6.8, i have e1000 nics, when i reboot the system it wont bring up the interfaces only if i do manualy "rmmod e1000" and "modprobe e1000" why is that? |
| 00:16.11 | ways | ii nly see 2 |
| 00:16.18 | ways | and there in the title bar |
| 00:16.21 | stew | beware: i would assume that since 2.6 isn't mentioned in the dsa that 2.6 kernels are not affected |
| 00:16.23 | streuner | !listvals e1000 |
| 00:16.24 | Arafangion | ways: So they are the first characters on their respective lines? |
| 00:16.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'e1000' by value (1): e1000. |
| 00:16.29 | nuskool | though, from personal experience, it seems like a PITA to set up |
| 00:16.34 | stew | magyar: add them to /etc/modules |
| 00:16.35 | streuner | !e1000 |
| 00:16.35 | dpkg | somebody said e1000 was the Intel PRO/1000 driver, found at http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/download.asp?url=/2897/eng/e1000-5.2.22.tar.gz, or in later 2.4 kernels and 2.6 kernels |
| 00:16.35 | ezu5t | znx - i'm running xfree86 |
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| 00:16.44 | stew | magyar: err s/them/it/ |
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| 00:16.56 | beware | 922-1 is about debian's 2.6.8 |
| 00:17.01 | magyar | stew thanks |
| 00:17.03 | ways | i dont follow |
| 00:17.04 | beware | while 921-1 is about 2.4.27 |
| 00:17.10 | ways | u can give up if u want i undestand |
| 00:17.19 | ankon | any reason that 3.1's installer in expert26 mode asks me every two steps about which ide modules i'd like to load? |
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| 00:17.51 | stew | beware: oh pardon me. hmm, why haven't i received that one yet... it should mention in the rsa how sid is affected |
| 00:17.52 | streuner | magyar: wired |
| 00:17.58 | magyar | stew, when i reboot and do and lsmod i see e1000 but that module wont work, is it the kernel built in module? the one that i compiled seem to work fine |
| 00:17.59 | Arafangion | ways: Just a moement. |
| 00:17.59 | offby1 | If anyone cares, the vmlinuz in the recent kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 has a last-modtime of August. That's odd. |
| 00:18.11 | ezu5t | streuner - if I don't have the package yet, and the file doesn't show up in apt-cache search, and I don't know what package I need to get, how can I determine which one has Xauth.h? |
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| 00:18.21 | ways | could this have something to do witht eh setting i selceted when i first installed linux? |
| 00:18.24 | beware | i notice 2.6.14.3 is 3 weeks old, however |
| 00:18.24 | Tuttle_ | Is Woody still supported, incl. the kernel? |
| 00:18.30 | ways | about partitions and stuff |
| 00:18.37 | g8se | deadcat: setting umask in /etc/login.defs isn't getting me what I want. Want to alter umask for users who sftp in, but /etc/login.defs doesn't seem to alter that. |
| 00:18.46 | streuner | ezu5t: try pdo (/msg dpkg pdo) |
| 00:18.50 | stew | magyar: actually i missed the fact that you have to rmmod first. that is odd. i'm using e1000 with a variety of kernel's with no problem |
| 00:18.54 | AoA | Does somebody sucesfuly compiled KDE 3.5 on Debian 3.1r0a Sarge ? |
| 00:19.10 | streuner | AoA: sounds like a question for #debian-kde |
| 00:19.16 | stew | magyar: anything look odd in dmesg when the modules are modprobed the first time during boot? |
| 00:19.17 | AoA | thanks |
| 00:19.24 | ways | the fstab file appears as it does on that website |
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| 00:19.39 | Tuttle_ | offby1: you're right, Aug 17 14:33. looks like you're like me -- reading too much of timestamps :) |
| 00:19.43 | Arafangion | ways: Try putting an empty line at the end of the file. |
| 00:20.02 | hans0lo | who's got the e1000? I had to build the driver from src the other night to get it working |
| 00:20.03 | offby1 | Tuttle_: I'm still suspicious |
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| 00:20.24 | Tuttle_ | it's always good to be suspicious when it comes to kernel :) |
| 00:20.34 | ways | [mntent]: line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 00:20.34 | ways | [mntent]: line 2 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 00:20.34 | ways | mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /media/winxp busy |
| 00:20.34 | ways | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is already mounted on /medi a/winxp |
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| 00:21.13 | ways | fucker kicked me off |
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| 00:21.20 | magyar | stew: it says "e1000: Ignoring new style parameters in presence of obsolete ones" and than the network driver version 5.2.52-k4 |
| 00:21.25 | ezu5t | thanks, streuner. It seems that it should be in the package xlibs-static-dev (according to the website) but I have it installed and I don't have the file. |
| 00:21.28 | streuner | ways: next time you have to pay us a beer :-) |
| 00:21.29 | dondelelcaro | ways: do not paste here at all, please. |
| 00:21.42 | ways | i dont drink beer:P |
| 00:21.46 | soymilk | why does this server always disconnect? |
| 00:21.47 | ways | ok no pasting |
| 00:22.03 | ways | not even links? |
| 00:22.04 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: any experience setting up bind9? i want to set it up so whereever you request it will poing to 192.168.0.1 (dns server, current machine) |
| 00:22.10 | streuner | ways: you don't need to drink it ;-) :-P |
| 00:22.13 | beware | looking things up, the mentioned bugs in those emails are months old |
| 00:22.16 | beware | and fixed in 2.6.13 |
| 00:22.17 | Arafangion | ways: The extra two lines about 'busy' are because it's already mounted. That's fine. |
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| 00:22.24 | beware | (2.6.13 is months ago) |
| 00:22.29 | Arafangion | ways: Generally, the limit is about 2 lines for pasting ;) |
| 00:22.32 | ways | arawhast the bad line nbit refering to? |
| 00:22.39 | magyar | stew: is there a way to remove the kernels build in module? |
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| 00:22.44 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: not with doing that, no... but it should be possible. |
| 00:23.31 | ways | ok well i can access my windows partition now ThankYou! |
| 00:23.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. got to be. or i just need a dns server that can do something that simple. i dont need fancy bind9 features. |
| 00:23.40 | ways | still whats all this 2 bad lines bit about |
| 00:23.47 | magyar | stew: it ties to load the kernel version of the module the one that works is version 6.5.12 |
| 00:23.52 | EdLin | beware: did you submit patches for 2.6.8 to fix these bugs? If not, stop complaining. |
| 00:23.54 | g8se | deadcat: look for $GENERATE in the bind doco |
| 00:24.05 | deadcat | k |
| 00:24.17 | g8se | an example: $GENERATE 2-254 $ PTR dev003-$.mel. |
| 00:24.25 | beware | well, just in general, one may wonder if the debian kernels are 3 months behind for local and remote kernel exploits |
| 00:24.40 | magyar | i need to prevent a kernel build in module from lading and load my own module. How can i do that? |
| 00:24.47 | deadcat | g8se: redme.gz or faq? |
| 00:25.00 | ways | u there arafangion? |
| 00:25.06 | EdLin | !u |
| 00:25.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:25.09 | g8se | deadcat: don't know, someone else set that line up i nour dns server |
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| 00:25.14 | deadcat | g8se: this is what i have so far, it works: sshonly.sytes.net/stmp/bind9, but i am hoping for something simpler |
| 00:25.37 | deadcat | magyar: hahaha |
| 00:25.43 | magyar | i need to prevent a kernel build in module from lading and load my own module. How can i do that? |
| 00:25.45 | magyar | anyone? |
| 00:26.06 | websdale | orchid:I had evolution running which starts loads of spamds - you guessed right as to the cause of my problem with apt & memory :) |
| 00:26.07 | magyar | deadcat i second ticket today |
| 00:26.09 | g8se | deadcat: which zone file? |
| 00:26.21 | hans0lo | magyar: did you build it from src? |
| 00:26.22 | deadcat | magyar: damn. cant you get a 1 day permit? or street? |
| 00:26.36 | orchid | websdale: yep, man 2 for for the gory details :) |
| 00:26.41 | magyar | deadcat downtown TO is fscked |
| 00:26.45 | deadcat | g8se: db.edu. i am using *.edu. i want to just use *. maybe |
| 00:26.46 | orchid | websdale: s/for/fork |
| 00:26.51 | ankon | magyar: rebuild kernel, remove module from build. add you module to modules.conf or whatever is en-vogue these days. |
| 00:27.04 | magyar | hans0lo yes i did the one that comes with the sarge kernek is no good |
| 00:27.25 | Arafangion | ways: Basically, there appears to be a problem with parsing the first two lines. |
| 00:27.32 | devicenull | quick question, I just installed gcc-3.4 for the unstable tree, and all the binaries seem to be named X-3.4 |
| 00:27.37 | Guerin | beware: suggest you talk directly to the debian-security and debian-kernel mailing lists as to why these weren't fixed earlier |
| 00:27.37 | EdLin | magyar: add it to /etc/modules - not modules.conf |
| 00:27.39 | g8se | deadcat: looks like you have to overload db.root |
| 00:27.41 | ezu5t | according to http://packages.debian.org/stable/libdevel/xlibs-static-dev, there should be a file called "Xauth.h" but it isn't anymore. Anyone know why? |
| 00:27.41 | ways | parsing?> |
| 00:27.46 | devicenull | is there a qucik way to move them back to the "normal" names |
| 00:27.50 | hans0lo | magyar: get the linux tar.gz driver from intel's website. extract it, cd into the e1000*/src folder and make install |
| 00:27.58 | beware | i compile my own kernel |
| 00:28.06 | deadcat | g8se: come again? i am not familiar with bind9 (= |
| 00:28.07 | beware | sorry for stating an opinion |
| 00:28.09 | beware | bye |
| 00:28.09 | g8se | deadcat: but that makes the server useless for looking anything up. So machines you want to lookup stuff have to ask elsewhere |
| 00:28.22 | Arafangion | ways: parsing is the term given to the process of a program reading a file. |
| 00:28.28 | ways | ok |
| 00:28.31 | Arafangion | ways: Particularly ascii files. |
| 00:28.31 | magyar | hans0lo i did exactly that, but the frickin kernel default module keeps loading first |
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| 00:28.34 | ways | last question then i must sleep! |
| 00:28.36 | g8se | deadcat: if you want every single domain name to resolve to 192.168.0.1, then do the $GENERATE or * trick in db.root file |
| 00:28.38 | Guerin | beware: no need to be sorry; just saying that the people responsible for those issues aren't here |
| 00:28.38 | deadcat | g8se: not gonna ask else where. just pointing everything to the local machine |
| 00:28.40 | ways | how can is et it to read only |
| 00:28.45 | hans0lo | are you running sarge? |
| 00:28.49 | magyar | EdLin with the full path to the module? |
| 00:28.50 | Guerin | beware: so it's not very much use asking us about them |
| 00:28.51 | deadcat | g8se: oh... db.root |
| 00:28.59 | EdLin | magyar: just the module name |
| 00:29.00 | ways | i dont want to accidentaly modify any of these files |
| 00:29.00 | hans0lo | magyar: you running sarge? |
| 00:29.01 | Tuttle_ | Recently there were some kernel vulnerabilities announced. Which kernel would you recommend to Woody machine (until I upgrade to sarge)? |
| 00:29.01 | g8se | deadcat: but that seems like an odd thing to do |
| 00:29.16 | magyar | hans0lo yes sir |
| 00:29.19 | dserban | How do I remove ipv6 support on my box? I've tried configuring eth0 via ifconfig, no go, it doesn't lose its ipv6 address, also, /etc/network/interfaces doesn't contain any ipv6 settings. |
| 00:29.21 | Arafangion | ways: ntfs by default is read only only on linux, but if you want, you can also put in 'ro' onto the options, like the other entries have. |
| 00:29.27 | magyar | EdLin thanks ill try |
| 00:29.28 | Drake2k | *back* I asked this before but was called away before I could get a response. Can someone give me a hand getting my USB gamepad to work? |
| 00:29.35 | sagarp | is there a way to find out when an accoutn was created? |
| 00:29.35 | deadcat | g8se: yes (=.. i have a fucked up idea heheh |
| 00:29.38 | Arafangion | ways: Could you try removing the first two lines - those ones beginning with a hash? |
| 00:29.42 | g8se | Tuttle_: I'd recomend you role your own |
| 00:29.50 | Guerin | Tuttle_: most recent 2.4 kernel which will work |
| 00:30.05 | g8se | Tuttle_: like Guerin said. |
| 00:30.11 | hans0lo | magyar: I did a fresh install of sarge on a server the other night and it loads my compiled driver instead of the kernel driver. |
| 00:30.14 | ways | its ok i need sleep thank you for the help its much appreachiated! |
| 00:30.18 | ways | goodnight |
| 00:30.23 | g8se | Tuttle_: or, maybe pull the kernel that the debian kernel team have in their svn repository |
| 00:30.26 | Guerin | 2.4.3[12] packages should be in sid/etch |
| 00:30.35 | g8se | Tuttle_: they seem pretty good with patches for the sarge 2.6.8 kernel |
| 00:30.36 | Tuttle_ | g8se, Guerin: when I get current vanilla from kernel.org, i'll do the best and be patched? |
| 00:30.38 | hans0lo | magyar: which kernel you using? |
| 00:30.47 | Arafangion | ways: Could you do that last thing? |
| 00:30.48 | magyar | hans0lo i wish my would do that to ,got forbid i need to reboot am screwed |
| 00:30.53 | ways | yea |
| 00:30.59 | ways | criosity thing? |
| 00:31.05 | deadcat | g8se: how do i edit db.root? end of file or the A.ROOT-SERVER.NET thing? |
| 00:31.10 | magyar | hans0lo 2-6-8-2 smp |
| 00:31.18 | g8se | Tuttle_: for today, probably yes. But it will become an ongoing thing. I'm sure there will be more vulnerabilities discovered |
| 00:31.29 | hans0lo | magyar: I upgraded to the latest 2.6 smp kernel |
| 00:31.31 | Guerin | Tuttle_: more or less. If you build kernel.org source, though, we can't support it here. Debian's sid and etch kernel images are up-to-date as well. |
| 00:31.35 | Tuttle_ | the most recent kernel for woody seem to be some version of 2.4.18, which i found in pool is from 2002 |
| 00:31.40 | Tuttle_ | seems odd |
| 00:31.41 | ways | one of those # is in te line with <options> ad stuff on shall i remove that one to? |
| 00:31.49 | Arafangion | ways: Yes. |
| 00:31.49 | Guerin | Tuttle_: /msg dpkg releases |
| 00:31.58 | Guerin | Tuttle_: /msg dpkg stable |
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| 00:32.04 | hans0lo | magyar: I *think* it was 2.6.3 |
| 00:32.11 | g8se | deadcat: remove all the .*ROOT-SERVERS.* lines with one like '*. 36000 IN A 192.168.0.1' |
| 00:32.13 | Arafangion | ways: What does mount say? |
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| 00:32.18 | ways | how do i check to see if there are no erros? |
| 00:32.20 | ways | ok ill do that |
| 00:32.31 | g8se | deadcat: mind you, I've not tried this, so youll need to test to see if it works |
| 00:32.36 | AoA | Can I install SID packages on SARGE debian ? |
| 00:32.40 | Guerin | AoA: no |
| 00:32.47 | g8se | deadcat: and you might need to remove your zone definitions from named.conf for the other zones |
| 00:32.51 | Guerin | !tell AoA about simple sid backport |
| 00:32.53 | Drake2k | Using KDE, can see the device in USBViewer but Control Center says No Joystick automatically found checks were done in /dev/js[0-4] |
| 00:33.19 | deadcat | g8se: k |
| 00:33.22 | magyar | brb going for a reboot |
| 00:33.25 | Guerin | Drake2k: KDE should have no bearing on whether your joystick works |
| 00:33.26 | Arafangion | ways: How is it? |
| 00:33.29 | ways | line 1 2 4 are bad now apparently when i typed mount /media/winxp |
| 00:33.31 | devicenull | when stuff starts by rc, is there a timeout for it? |
| 00:33.40 | devicenull | I've got an app that seems to not get started by rc |
| 00:33.40 | ways | when i just type mount |
| 00:33.45 | ways | ill paste u in pvt |
| 00:33.54 | Guerin | Drake2k: depends how the script is written |
| 00:33.56 | Arafangion | Ok. |
| 00:33.59 | Drake2k | Guerin, do i need to mount it or something? |
| 00:33.59 | Arafangion | ways: Ok. |
| 00:34.04 | Guerin | devicenull: depends how the script is written |
| 00:34.12 | Guerin | devicenull: i know nothing specifically about joysticks |
| 00:34.17 | Guerin | FUCK |
| 00:34.18 | devicenull | lol |
| 00:34.23 | Guerin | Drake2k: i know nothing specifically about joysticks |
| 00:34.29 | Drake2k | Guerin, lol it's ok i still caught what you were saying |
| 00:34.48 | deadcat | g8se: time out. no servers could be reached |
| 00:35.20 | ways | make any sense? |
| 00:35.20 | devicenull | the script to start it doesnt have any timeout stuff |
| 00:35.24 | deadcat | g8se: i also have to comment the ANSWER SECTION right? not just the ADDITONAL SECTION |
| 00:35.39 | devicenull | is there any place I can see logs about it? |
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| 00:36.07 | g8se | deadcat: I don't really know, I've never edited the db.root before |
| 00:36.08 | devicenull | also, whats the difference between K00 or S00 |
| 00:36.17 | Arafangion | ways: Did you just privmsg me? |
| 00:36.29 | deadcat | g8se: ya. aint working |
| 00:36.30 | ways | yup |
| 00:36.35 | Arafangion | ways: I can't see it. |
| 00:36.45 | deadcat | g8se: i dont even know what to search for. |
| 00:36.45 | Drake2k | anyone else have any advice? |
| 00:36.50 | ways | just did it again |
| 00:36.55 | bodhisattva | so i have this debian box that keeps locking up its starting to piss me off.. its a new instal, im thuinking maybe the ram? advice,ideas? |
| 00:36.59 | g8se | deadcat: hmm, looks like db.root is more of a hints file about the servers that are the root servers, rather than a zone file. |
| 00:37.18 | Arafangion | ways: Ok, looks like you haven't registered. |
| 00:37.20 | thingfish | bodhisattva: get and run memtest86+. |
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| 00:37.35 | ways | what do u mean |
| 00:37.35 | bodhisattva | good idea thx |
| 00:37.37 | Arafangion | ways: /msg nickserv register password |
| 00:37.38 | silvinho | yeah db.root is a list of the root nameservers |
| 00:37.42 | bodhisattva | thingfish: ^ |
| 00:37.44 | EdLin | !u |
| 00:37.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:37.47 | g8se | deadcat: If that suspicion is correct, you would need to edit db.root so that it refers to your server, and create a new zone (maybe called db.roottrap) that has the wildcard stuff (the $GENERATE or *. stuff) |
| 00:38.06 | EdLin | the floggings will continue until moralle improves |
| 00:38.07 | g8se | And of course define that in named.conf |
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| 00:38.31 | silvinho | deadcat: what are you trying to do ? |
| 00:38.36 | g8se | deadcat: and you might need to remove the definitions for the other zones (like edu, com, etc) from your named.conf file as well |
| 00:38.41 | deadcat | g8se: isnt that what i have right now? execpt i have more than 1 zone file |
| 00:38.48 | ways | how do i register again? |
| 00:38.59 | Arafangion | ways: /msg nickserv register password |
| 00:39.05 | ScottishCaptain | Greetings to all! Anyone here know a few things about the HPPA port? |
| 00:39.05 | deadcat | silvinho: i want to make my dns to poing everything to the current machine. like blah.edu goes here. anything. |
| 00:39.18 | magyar | EdLin i added e1000 to /etc/modules but it still tries to load the old version of the driver |
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| 00:39.31 | g8se | deadcat: well you could do it that way, but then you have to create a zone for every real top level domain. If you can force bind9 to do it out of one file, that might be better |
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| 00:39.40 | g8se | deadcat: but bind9 might not let you do that, don't know |
| 00:39.48 | EdLin | magyar: are you sure you're booting with the new kernel? |
| 00:39.51 | silvinho | oy why run dns all, can you do that with the host file ? |
| 00:40.07 | g8se | silvinho: deadcat wants his bind9 to answer every lookup with the answer 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:40.13 | magyar | EdLin i only have one kernel |
| 00:40.15 | deadcat | g8se: ya. 1 file is what my goal is |
| 00:40.18 | hans0lo | magyar: I didn't have to add it to /etc/modules. did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 00:40.28 | Arafangion | ways: This network doesn't allow private messages between unregistered users. |
| 00:40.39 | ways | how do i register my name |
| 00:40.53 | silvinho | g8se/deadcat like why ? |
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| 00:41.12 | magyar | hans0lo i did ran aptitude and it told me there is a new kernel so i updated |
| 00:41.19 | g8se | silvinho: I don't know why. Sounds pretty oddball to me |
| 00:41.20 | deadcat | silvinho: because |
| 00:41.32 | hans0lo | magyar: something else I did that wasn't in the README was a 'make ; make install' |
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| 00:41.35 | Arafangion | ways: Just join #wayshelp instead. |
| 00:41.35 | thingfish | ways: /msg nickserv help register |
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| 00:41.50 | silvinho | deadcat: i mean, that completely defeats the point of dns |
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| 00:42.01 | hans0lo | magyar: ok, then you rebooted and are running the new kernel? You will need to recompile anyways |
| 00:42.13 | deadcat | silvinho: i dont want users in LAN to go anywhere when they blah.com |
| 00:42.16 | Faithful | I want to build a cluster... any suggestion as to what projects to look at? |
| 00:42.19 | KurtKraut | Who released the first opensourc program ? Was Larry Wall or Richard Stallman ? |
| 00:42.21 | KurtKraut | *opensource |
| 00:42.24 | magyar | hans0lo hans0lo i did already recompiled it twice |
| 00:42.34 | Guerin | KurtKraut: neither |
| 00:42.37 | silvinho | deadcat: so why not do it on the router ? |
| 00:42.50 | silvinho | or are you running squid ? |
| 00:42.56 | KurtKraut | Guerin, do you know which program was first released ? |
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| 00:42.57 | Guerin | KurtKraut: 1. RMS has never released any open source programs - he writes free software programs |
| 00:43.00 | magyar | EdLin positive |
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| 00:43.00 | fbi | you can receive msgs from unregistered users by doing /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 00:43.01 | ways | now are u getting it? |
| 00:43.02 | deadcat | silvinho: because clienst get dhcp, dns from this machine |
| 00:43.07 | g8se | deadcat: yeah, warping the dns records won't prevent them getting to the internet. they could just type in the IP address instead. |
| 00:43.13 | KurtKraut | Guerin, emacs is opensource, isn't it ? |
| 00:43.18 | Guerin | KurtKraut: 2. ALL programs were 'open source' prior to about 1975 |
| 00:43.23 | Guerin | KurtKraut: no, it's free software |
| 00:43.25 | hans0lo | magyar: dang. What error message does it give when you modprobe e1000? |
| 00:43.33 | silvinho | deadcat: it just seems like a not particularly robust solution, why not use iptables at the firewall/router ? |
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| 00:43.53 | KurtKraut | Guerin, I thought the source of emacs were open. |
| 00:43.54 | g8se | deadcat: or they will configure their machine to look for dns records elsewhere, in which case you have to firewall them anyway, as silvinho suggested |
| 00:43.56 | deadcat | silvinho: i am using iptables as well. |
| 00:43.59 | EdLin | magyar: how did you get rid of the old kernel? apt-get remove ? |
| 00:44.04 | petemc | deadcat: you want a captive portal, check out nocat |
| 00:44.11 | Guerin | KurtKraut: it is. But that don't make it open source. |
| 00:44.13 | deadcat | petemc: i did. useless. |
| 00:44.27 | silvinho | deadcat: ok, ifyou're goign to have dns return the same ip each time, why run dns at all, can't you give out a fake dns server ? |
| 00:44.29 | Guerin | KurtKraut: RMS was the first to conceive of and construct a free software licensing scheme which could be applied to a whole system of software. |
| 00:44.38 | magyar | hans0lo noerror it just loads the module but its not compatible with mt network card, the kernel module is version 5.1.12 and the one from intel is 6.5.2 |
| 00:44.41 | petemc | deadcat: perhaps you should write something better |
| 00:44.48 | Arafangion | window 12 |
| 00:44.56 | deadcat | petemc: if i know how |
| 00:45.01 | KurtKraut | Guerin, so what is missing in emacs to be considerated a opensource program ? |
| 00:45.07 | Guerin | KurtKraut: but the first person to release a piece of 'open source' or 'free software' was the first person to write a piece of software - history does not record his, or her, name. |
| 00:45.08 | magyar | EdLin nope i just let aptitude upgarde the kernel |
| 00:45.16 | Arafangion | KurtKraut: A text editor. |
| 00:45.25 | hans0lo | magyar: you have the kernel-headers for the running kernel installed, I assume? |
| 00:45.26 | Guerin | KurtKraut: read about the difference between free software and open source. |
| 00:45.37 | magyar | hans0lo correct |
| 00:45.40 | KurtKraut | Guerin, I will check it out. Thanks. |
| 00:45.45 | g8se | KurtKraut: Guerin is saying that "Open Source" and "Free Software" are different concepts. They share some similarities, but to Guerin, the difference is important |
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| 00:45.52 | EdLin | magyar: well, you should have used apt-get or aptitude to remove the old kernel too if that's what you wanted to do. |
| 00:46.13 | remedy | KurtKraut: possible the rights to re-use/distribute code |
| 00:46.16 | KurtKraut | g8se, I do know that these terms are different. But I never thought that the 'open source' term is not applied to emcas. |
| 00:46.31 | EdLin | magyar: unlike other packages apt leaves old versions of the kernel installed |
| 00:46.38 | hanasaki | is it possible to install debian sarge on a completely sftware raid 5 system? |
| 00:46.42 | caphuso | actually the only real difference between open source and free software is that RMS whines about the former whenever he gets the chance |
| 00:46.46 | silvinho | hanasaki: sure |
| 00:46.55 | magyar | EdLin so there is no way to reinstall the kernel? |
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| 00:47.01 | hanasaki | hmm someoen told me ya need hw to do that |
| 00:47.03 | Guerin | caphuso: conceptual differences are important |
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| 00:47.08 | hanasaki | silvinho: howe ? |
| 00:47.09 | EdLin | magyar: that's not what I said |
| 00:47.14 | Guerin | terminology is not worthless |
| 00:47.14 | caphuso | Guerin: conceptual differences like which one? |
| 00:47.19 | magyar | EdLin or prevent the e1000 module of the kernel from loading? |
| 00:47.23 | Guerin | caphuso: pragmatism v freedom |
| 00:47.29 | silvinho | hanasaki: you can do it with the installer, or modify an existing system, which do you want to do ? |
| 00:47.31 | kavorka | magyar: what is the path to the module that works? |
| 00:47.32 | eeyore- | hmm, using kde 3.5 now. it's not as bad as i remember. maybe i've been desensitized by gnome for so long :-7 |
| 00:47.49 | silvinho | eeyore-: e17 =D |
| 00:47.50 | hanasaki | sil it woudl be a enw system.. i was thkning raid5 sataII |
| 00:47.53 | g8se | KurtKraut: must be Free Software, if it isn't Open Source. Of course, the source code for Emacs is open (as far as I know) |
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| 00:48.04 | moi | hey, someone using loop-aes in here? |
| 00:48.16 | g8se | KurtKraut: unless there are derivatives of emacs that are open, and the original wasn't. Not sure |
| 00:48.21 | Guerin | the source code for emacs is free software. That means that the source is necessarily open. |
| 00:48.24 | caphuso | Guerin: so, if i due to my inherent pragmatism release a piece of software under the GPL, the it's different from a piece of software released under the GPL by RMS? |
| 00:48.26 | deadcat | silvinho: when you say use iptables. but the network dont have internet. basically its a fake network. when comeone connect to my AP, they get ip via dhcp, their resolv is my server (dns) |
| 00:48.31 | Guerin | caphuso: no. |
| 00:48.32 | magyar | hans0lo /lib/modules/2.6.8.../kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko |
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| 00:48.40 | caphuso | Guerin: then what's your point? |
| 00:48.52 | Guerin | caphuso: what's ESR's point? |
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| 00:49.03 | silvinho | deadcat: well, what exactly are you trying to do. the users that get an ip via dhcp and your dns, what do you want them to be able to do ? |
| 00:49.05 | Guerin | caphuso: he's the one who made the distinction, not me. |
| 00:49.12 | caphuso | Guerin: i don't think he ever had one |
| 00:49.12 | kavorka | magyar: what is the path to the old kernel module |
| 00:49.13 | hans0lo | magyar: yeah, move your newly compiled driver there.. |
| 00:49.14 | hanasaki | sil? |
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| 00:49.26 | Guerin | caphuso: I don't either; but I *know* RMS has one. |
| 00:49.46 | caphuso | Guerin: his point is that he lost control over the movement |
| 00:49.52 | EdLin | esr decided that "free software" upsets the suits too much so he made an organization to promulgate "open source" and his pragmatic ideology. |
| 00:49.57 | magyar | hans0lo thats the only module i have |
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| 00:50.21 | deadcat | silvinho: nothing. just when they try to browse the internet. it will point to my webserver and say "no internet for you!" |
| 00:50.31 | kavorka | magyar: is the old kernel module "built in to kernel" ? |
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| 00:50.46 | rukos | anyone, after making, make automatically removes my OBJs "rm miracl/ecn.o miracl/big.o miracl/zzn2.o miracl/zzn.o", why? |
| 00:50.49 | hans0lo | magyar, so you already compiled the e1000 driver from src, and overwrote the existing driver? |
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| 00:50.52 | magyar | kavorka yes |
| 00:50.59 | Guerin | caphuso: I think his point is that the change from free software to open source, from open source is the thin end of a wedge, to sort-of-open source, so open-under-some-conditions source, ... |
| 00:51.07 | magyar | hans0lo yes i did |
| 00:51.35 | le_mackeux | How do you reinstall dpkg-dev without apt-get because it requires it's reinstall |
| 00:51.41 | Guerin | caphuso: by encouraging people to remember what the movement was originally about, it's harder for people to start sliding down that slope inadvertantly |
| 00:51.45 | kavorka | magyar: the built-in module loads first...always..you have to reconfig the kernel |
| 00:51.48 | magyar | hans0lo but the versions at boot time and the version when i manually insmod are different when i dmesg |
| 00:52.06 | deadcat | silvinho: you catch what i am trying to do here? |
| 00:52.09 | hans0lo | magyar: updatedb ; locate e1000.ko |
| 00:52.18 | magyar | kavorka oooooo please dont tell me that |
| 00:52.28 | magyar | hans0lo i did |
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| 00:52.51 | hans0lo | magyar: and you only have one instance? |
| 00:52.53 | magyar | kavorka there is got to be a way to tell the kernel not to load a module |
| 00:52.58 | eeyore- | hanasaki: it's easy to do provided you don't make your /boot raid-5 |
| 00:53.07 | magyar | hans0lo yes |
| 00:53.10 | kavorka | magyar: if its built-in you have to set CONFIG...=m |
| 00:53.21 | caphuso | Guerin: yes, and annoy those of us that don't want to have to do anything with RMS political fanatism |
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| 00:53.23 | hanasaki | eeyore-: cool |
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| 00:54.15 | Guerin | caphuso: Your intolerance isn't his concern :) |
| 00:54.38 | caphuso | Guerin: true. but his one is mine :) |
| 00:54.47 | Guerin | caphuso: fair. |
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| 00:55.26 | magyar | kavorka i dont see it in /boot/config-"kernel" |
| 00:55.41 | deadcat | config-`uname -r` |
| 00:55.43 | jberg | what is the preferred way of installing packages apt-get or aptitude? is there any major advantages with one over the other? |
| 00:55.50 | kavorka | magyar: grep -i e1000 .config |
| 00:55.51 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 00:55.51 | dpkg | [aptitude] a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
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| 00:56.16 | Guerin | jberg: aptitude is generally better, but if you use it, you should ONLY use it - not apt-get as well. |
| 00:56.24 | jberg | ok thanks |
| 00:56.31 | kavorka | magyar: or try zgrep -i e1000 /proc/config.gz |
| 00:56.32 | magyar | cd /usr/src/ |
| 00:56.32 | magyar | ls |
| 00:56.39 | magyar | oops |
| 00:56.39 | asdfwd | hm do you have to do anything special to get 2.6.14 working on unstable? I got something along the lines of waiting 3 seconds /sys/block/dev/hda not found.....udev?? |
| 00:56.43 | Guerin | magyar: you lose. |
| 00:56.54 | blondie | your life |
| 00:57.13 | MasterYoda | jberg: aptitiude can save a queue of actions you planned to do |
| 00:57.25 | jberg | oh ok |
| 00:57.25 | hans0lo | magyar: haha |
| 00:57.30 | MasterYoda | jberg: apt-get won't, and thus if you mark a package for removal and exit aptitude |
| 00:57.34 | jberg | how do i search for a package with aptitude? |
| 00:57.40 | Arafangion | Guerin: apitude is the worst part of debian! |
| 00:57.42 | Guerin | jberg: man aptitude |
| 00:57.43 | MasterYoda | jberg: then apt-get install that package aptitude will still try to remove it later |
| 00:57.47 | Guerin | Arafangion: bullshit. |
| 00:57.51 | le_mackeux | How may i install dpkg-dev without apt-get ? |
| 00:57.52 | Arafangion | jberg: apt-cache search package |
| 00:57.52 | moi | anyone using loop-aes?!?! |
| 00:57.58 | blondie | who needs aptitude |
| 00:57.58 | jberg | MasterYoda, ok i see |
| 00:58.01 | Arafangion | Guerin: I hate it! |
| 00:58.02 | jberg | thanks |
| 00:58.06 | Guerin | Arafangion: udev is the worst part of debian, by *MILES* |
| 00:58.22 | Arafangion | Guerin: Now, there, there, let's not get into that... |
| 00:58.22 | Guerin | Arafangion: what's to hate? It behaves almost exactly like apt-get if you want it to. |
| 00:58.29 | thingfish | le_mackeux: get it from packages.debian.org and install it with dpkg. |
| 00:58.30 | MasterYoda | Trolls on IRC are the worst part of... wait never mind, they are not part of debian |
| 00:58.31 | silvinho | deadcat: sorry was on phone |
| 00:58.33 | silvinho | deadcat: not really |
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| 00:58.39 | jberg | so.. should i use aptitude when im root or just be a normal user and use sudo or su or something? |
| 00:58.43 | silvinho | i mean, why not just deny access to your access point if you're goign to block internet ? |
| 00:58.47 | Arafangion | MasterYoda: Care to say that again - in reverse polish notation? |
| 00:58.54 | le_mackeux | thingfish: dpkg won't work because it requires it |
| 00:59.06 | Guerin | jberg: your choice. You can use it as non-root for all actions which don't actually require root - searches and so. |
| 00:59.14 | deadcat | silvinho: because i want them to know. not to use my AP (= |
| 00:59.26 | MasterYoda | jberg: shouldn't matter, aptitude will acquire root if necesary |
| 00:59.26 | asdfwd | anyone using 2.6.14-2 on unstable? |
| 00:59.34 | MasterYoda | asdfwd: I might be |
| 00:59.44 | deadcat | asdfwd: no |
| 00:59.46 | asdfwd | Have any issues with it? |
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| 00:59.49 | Guerin | !anyone use 2.6.14-2 on unstable? |
| 00:59.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses 2.6.14-2 on unstable, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:59.52 | MasterYoda | jberg: but running it with sudo should not matter really |
| 00:59.52 | silvinho | deadcat: um wpa/wep/mac filtering ? |
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| 00:59.58 | jberg | MasterYoda, oh so i can just use it as a normal user and it will ask for the root password when it needs it? |
| 01:00.00 | silvinho | deadcat: anyone who is smart is just going to use their own dns |
| 01:00.02 | deadcat | silvinho: no. i actually want to fuck with them hehe |
| 01:00.05 | blondie | asdfwd: eat glue |
| 01:00.07 | silvinho | lol |
| 01:00.08 | silvinho | ok |
| 01:00.14 | deadcat | silvinho: not that. there is no internet (= |
| 01:00.17 | MasterYoda | asdfwd: ignore them, they just live for that |
| 01:00.19 | deadcat | silvinho: now you know hehe |
| 01:00.29 | MasterYoda | jberg: aptitude will, apt-get won't |
| 01:00.43 | le_mackeux | thingfish: You have an other idea |
| 01:00.46 | jberg | thats neat |
| 01:00.48 | MasterYoda | asdfwd: I have not seen any issues |
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| 01:01.05 | jberg | MasterYoda, well actually it didn't ask for the password :X |
| 01:01.08 | eeyore- | deadcat: what exactly are you trying to do again? (wildcard dns?) |
| 01:01.13 | MasterYoda | asdfwd: looks like I am using 2.6.14-1 on this system |
| 01:01.26 | asdfwd | 2.6.14-1 worked fine for me |
| 01:01.29 | MasterYoda | asdfwd: I think I have an amd64 box on 2.6.14-2 though |
| 01:01.29 | thingfish | le_mackeux: seems like your only other option would involve source. |
| 01:01.31 | eeyore- | deadcat: why don't you just use WPA or something? |
| 01:01.48 | deadcat | eeyore-: yes |
| 01:01.48 | silvinho | deadcat: it's not easy you need to make your nameserver authoritive for every top level domain (.com .net .org .biz etc) and setup reverse records |
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| 01:02.05 | eeyore- | silvinho: sure, just don't use bind :-) |
| 01:02.08 | asdfwd | after rebooting with 2.6.14-2 i got crap saying........waiting 1,3,8 seconds /sys/block/dev/hda not found |
| 01:02.11 | asdfwd | or somethign like that |
| 01:02.25 | deadcat | silvinho: right now i can do it for .com net org edu mil blah. but i have to use 1 zone file for each. sshonly.sytes.net/stmp/bind9 i want to make it as simple as possible. (= |
| 01:02.36 | asdfwd | i tried 2.6.15rc3 in experimental and get the same thing |
| 01:02.50 | le_mackeux | thingfish: :( It's been 4 days i'm trying to put debian onto that machine and now this...... |
| 01:02.56 | silvinho | deadcat: sorry don't think it's simple, but i'm not a great bind admin |
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| 01:03.01 | silvinho | perhaps tinydns can do it better |
| 01:03.27 | eeyore- | write your own dns ... easy, problem solved :-) |
| 01:03.39 | caphuso | asdfwd: it's an yaird bug |
| 01:03.40 | eeyore- | bind it to specific address only, that way *you* won't be screwed |
| 01:03.55 | asdfwd | caphuso anyway around it? |
| 01:04.00 | caphuso | asdfwd: yes |
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| 01:04.09 | asdfwd | eh? please share ;] |
| 01:04.13 | caphuso | no |
| 01:04.19 | asdfwd | ! |
| 01:04.20 | silvinho | asdfwd: you need to rebuild your initrd with ide modules |
| 01:04.20 | deadcat | waht is the most lightweight dns server? something small. that only handles ip to host and stuff. like wild cards. |
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| 01:04.30 | silvinho | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343048 |
| 01:04.31 | angel__jose | hello for all how are you |
| 01:04.31 | dpkg | angel__jose: eh, ok |
| 01:04.32 | silvinho | has instructions |
| 01:04.33 | magyar | i think the kernel version 16 that fucked me up |
| 01:04.40 | caphuso | work around is documented in the BTS. no need for me to repeat it |
| 01:04.55 | lemur | I installed phpbb2, but I can't login...the mysql configuration package didn't tell me anything ;_; |
| 01:05.07 | asdfwd | silvinho thanks ima check it out |
| 01:05.14 | lemur | it didn't even ask about account or password |
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| 01:06.08 | silvinho | asdfwd: it's pretty easy, apt-get --purge yaird, install inird-tools, edit some conf file, dpkg-reconfigure kernel to regenerate initrd |
| 01:06.11 | magyar | where could i get the kernel heades for 2.6.8.13? |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 01:06.23 | dpkg | i guess debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 01:07.01 | jvw | lemur: /usr/share/doc/phpbb2/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:07.13 | lemur | jvw: you're the man |
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| 01:07.18 | magyar | abrotman there are two kernel versions in the pool 2.6.8.13 and 2.6.8.16 but only one header files for version 2.6.8.16 |
| 01:07.23 | jvw | lemur: I'm the phpbb2 package maintainer :) |
| 01:07.31 | abrotman | magyar: those are not the versions |
| 01:07.39 | lemur | jvw: In that case, you're REALLY the man ;) |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | magyar: 2.6.8-13 ? |
| 01:07.46 | magyar | abrotman revisions |
| 01:07.51 | jvw | lemur: and thanks for using it :) |
| 01:08.15 | magyar | abrotman take a look 2.6.8.-13 2.6.8.-16 |
| 01:08.23 | lemur | jvw: I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than configure apache with php-mysql myself :p |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | magyar: so you want 2.6.8-13 ? right ? |
| 01:08.44 | magyar | abrotman yes |
| 01:09.00 | magyar | abrotman i need to build a module for my nic |
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| 01:09.31 | abrotman | magyar: snapshot.debian.net :) |
| 01:09.40 | magyar | abrotman thanks |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | magyar: try the second search box |
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| 01:10.46 | magyar | abrotman no such host snapshot |
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| 01:11.34 | Guerin | magyar: /home/magyar/brain: file or directory not found |
| 01:11.36 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 01:12.22 | factor | when going to 2.6 from 2.4 beside the modules init package what would I need. |
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| 01:12.36 | resuDaed | is there a console based web browser that supports both frames and basic http authentication? |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | magyar: works for me .. snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:12.56 | deadcat | make is fucked up in sid. |
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| 01:13.02 | magyar | whyere can i download kernel headers file for sarge kernel version 2.6.8-13? |
| 01:13.11 | deadcat | the package |
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| 01:13.46 | magyar | abrotman .org |
| 01:13.48 | magyar | bahhh |
| 01:13.48 | Azar | I am about to order the Debian CDs , so far I am used with a light installation, like Woody, but I wanted to try the Sarge ones, however..... reading the specs of the installer I get a bit uneasy: I do not want GNOME, Galeon, Thunderbird etc.... so MY QUESTION here is: can I have a light base-only installation from a Sarge installer? |
| 01:14.00 | Guerin | magyar: same place you get the kernel-image |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | magyar: yes .. net |
| 01:14.17 | Guerin | abrotman: of course you can. |
| 01:14.21 | magyar | Guerin you wouyld think right |
| 01:14.27 | Guerin | Azar: of course you can. |
| 01:14.37 | magyar | abrotman is there an ftp to it i have onlu console |
| 01:14.41 | Guerin | Azar: the default for sarge is a little bit bigger, but still well under 300MB |
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| 01:15.28 | Azar | ok Guerin, thanks :) I will give it a try. Yes Guerin I know everytime I install with a Woody CD it takes me like 45min for apt to download Sarge packages |
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| 01:15.47 | abrotman | magyar: i'm checking |
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| 01:16.31 | poop | Where do you get a dvd playback plugin for xine? |
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| 01:17.03 | jberg | i've install debian sarge now and im trying to run sbcl, but complaints about the kernel not supporting threads? do i need to enable them or something? |
| 01:17.48 | abrotman | magyar: x86 ? |
| 01:17.51 | Guerin | poop: /msg dpkg dvd |
| 01:17.55 | magyar | abrotman yeap |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | non-smp ? |
| 01:18.17 | magyar | abrotman smp |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/03/21/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686_2.6.8-13_i386.deb |
| 01:18.19 | deadcat | if you using ppc+sid. try dist-upgrade see if it breaks or not. (= |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | gah |
| 01:18.25 | abrotman | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/03/21/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686-smp_2.6.8-13_i386.deb |
| 01:18.28 | abrotman | magyar: ^^ |
| 01:18.35 | magyar | got it thanks |
| 01:18.43 | abrotman | magyar: i believe that's what you want |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:18.58 | magyar | yes sir |
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| 01:20.38 | Guerin | man ... tea gives you a huge caffeine hit when you've not been a coffee drinker for a few years |
| 01:21.35 | nuskool | you know what else works for that? ...speed |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | and crack .. |
| 01:22.00 | silvinho | lol well tea has more caffeine per ounce then coffee |
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| 01:22.14 | Buddha| | chocolate also works nicely |
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| 01:23.40 | pryzbyj | is someone still generating OSX packages from .debs? |
| 01:23.43 | EdLin | Mountain Dew soda has more caffeine than instant coffee |
| 01:23.49 | quik_ | I'm trying to add a source to my sources.list |
| 01:23.59 | quik_ | so that I can get a specific build of something |
| 01:24.07 | quik_ | alas, it is not working |
| 01:24.07 | Guerin | silvinho: when I mean coffee, I don't mean that weak shite americans call coffee - I mean strong italian-style espresso |
| 01:24.22 | Guerin | silvinho: and you use a lot more coffee in a drink than you do tea |
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| 01:24.32 | silvinho | Guerin: i goto starbucks =P |
| 01:24.46 | Guerin | silvinho: starbucks has massive amounts of caffeine, actually |
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| 01:24.58 | Guerin | overextract the coffee and that's what you get |
| 01:25.06 | silvinho | i know |
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| 01:25.07 | EdLin | you know the reason why they call starbucks starbucks? Because only a star can afford the bucks the coffee costs there! |
| 01:25.15 | MechaJesusZ | heh |
| 01:25.15 | MechaJesusZ | well |
| 01:25.19 | silvinho | why do you think i go there =D |
| 01:25.27 | Guerin | EdLin: don't whine about coffee prices until you come to east asia |
| 01:25.33 | MechaJesusZ | EdLin: what, for a normal straight coffee, no sugar or other toppings? |
| 01:25.36 | MechaJesusZ | EdLin: it's cheap. |
| 01:25.41 | quik_ | Couldn't stat source package list http://128.101.80.133 unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/128.101.80.133_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 01:25.58 | Guerin | EdLin: US$4-6 at starbucks or a clone |
| 01:26.02 | EdLin | Guerin: regular coffee is cheap, not starbucks |
| 01:26.02 | Guerin | more if you want a big one |
| 01:26.05 | nuskool | anyone know when kernel 2.6.14 is going to make it to testing? |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | !why is kernel-image-2.6.14-386 not in testing |
| 01:26.27 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.14-386 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kernel-image-2.6.14-386 |
| 01:26.56 | quik_ | how can I install (with apt-get) a specific unstable build? |
| 01:27.01 | nuskool | !is there anything you can't do? |
| 01:27.09 | nuskool | guess so... |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | nuskool: that's not the package name .. but you get the idea |
| 01:27.39 | nuskool | lol |
| 01:27.59 | pryzbyj | is someone still generating OSX packages from .debs? |
| 01:28.00 | ahewitt | hey, I am using libnss-ldap to lookup the uids of uweb/ftp users to that they see there files as being owned by them instead of a number, however I was wondering if there is a way to use a different LDAP attibute to lookup the uid instead of the uid field, for example "auth"?? |
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| 01:28.03 | EdLin | quik_: what do you mean, backport a particular package in sid to sarge? |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | !why is linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 not in testing |
| 01:28.19 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 |
| 01:28.20 | quik_ | a specific version of an unstable? |
| 01:28.24 | quik_ | 'swig' ? |
| 01:28.54 | EdLin | quik_: I'm having a difficult time parsing what you're saying. |
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| 01:29.14 | abrotman | nuskool: that url will work better |
| 01:29.27 | pryzbyj | apt-get install foo=version ? |
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| 01:29.34 | smacnay | Will the current nvidia driver support in "testing" work with the Debianised 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 01:29.35 | EdLin | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | EdLin: ? |
| 01:29.45 | pryzbyj | depends on that version existing in one of the suites |
| 01:29.45 | EdLin | abrotman: (to increase your kingsley rating) |
| 01:29.48 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | do i have one ? |
| 01:29.56 | jberg | can i use a 2.6 kernel if i have just installed sarge? or will that require me to use testing instead? |
| 01:29.58 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite abrotman |
| 01:29.58 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer abrotman: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.354521730254543! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 01:30.13 | abrotman | EdLin: it would help if the forumula didn't suck |
| 01:30.31 | EdLin | abrotman: I think the suckage is intentional |
| 01:30.36 | Buddha| | !kingsleysmite Buddha| |
| 01:30.37 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Buddha|: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.856897321154015! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 01:30.49 | Buddha| | !kingsleysmite dpkg |
| 01:30.50 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer dpkg: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.63318989834541! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
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| 01:31.01 | EdLin | Buddha|: /msg dpkg |
| 01:31.03 | Guerin | abrotman: did you miss the discussion about an free software irc-log-to-worthless-statistics engine? |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | Guerin: who's driving ? |
| 01:31.22 | Guerin | abrotman: we thought that the Big K could contribute his code as a base. |
| 01:31.25 | Buddha| | EdLin - I know dpkg is a bot |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | he's now counting sorry and oops |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | against you |
| 01:31.48 | Buddha| | oops, sorry |
| 01:31.48 | Guerin | abrotman: that's just sorry |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | which would include "Sorry, Ubuntu is not debian, please use #ubuntu" .. duh |
| 01:32.19 | dserban | abrotman: 2.6.14 is icky :/ |
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| 01:32.43 | abrotman | dserban: i haven't tried it |
| 01:32.44 | smacnay | dserban: 2.6.14 didn't boot for me. Vanilla kernel and no luck. |
| 01:32.55 | Azar | eh to be on the safe side, I ordered both versions of Debian |
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| 01:33.08 | stew | is it friday yet? |
| 01:33.12 | Azar | I have no idea how Sarge will handle the drivers n such |
| 01:33.16 | Guerin | stew: nope :( |
| 01:33.21 | dserban | abrotman: don't... save yourself the hassle |
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| 01:33.28 | Guerin | abrotman: better than woody, in most cases. |
| 01:33.29 | Buddha| | stew - no, it's still Kongday |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | stew: always sunday! |
| 01:33.34 | dserban | abrotman: in fact anything past 2.6.10 is somewhat broken... |
| 01:33.35 | stew | right |
| 01:33.48 | poop | Anybody? dvd playback in debian? |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | dserban: is it reminiscient of the the 2.4.6-9 days ? :) |
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| 01:34.10 | dserban | poop: put a dvd in? run xine/mplayer? simple? |
| 01:34.14 | Guerin | poop: /msg dpkg dvd, like I told you |
| 01:34.14 | Azar | thats a new one for me: watching movies with Debian? |
| 01:34.20 | Guerin | dserban: not simple. |
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| 01:34.40 | poop | dserban: xine wants a plugin it doesn't have |
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| 01:34.51 | Guerin | Azar: doable. But dvd is a special case because it's illegal to distribute the software to play them in many countries. |
| 01:34.53 | dserban | abrotman: kind of, acpi is busted in a few ways, it harasses my kvm, it doesn't detect some of my ide devices.. err, my list is quite long... |
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| 01:34.58 | Guerin | !dvd |
| 01:34.58 | dpkg | i heard dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss |
| 01:35.00 | poop | Guerin: ahh, thanks |
| 01:35.03 | dserban | Guerin: that's what debian's all about ;) |
| 01:35.06 | Guerin | poop: FUCKING read that ^^^ already |
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| 01:35.07 | abrotman | poop: did you try libdvdread ? |
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| 01:35.49 | poop | Guerin: Yeah, I got that |
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| 01:36.07 | Guerin | poop: sorry. On edge due to caffeine overdose,. |
| 01:36.14 | Guerin | Oops. I said sorry. |
| 01:36.24 | Guerin | Sorry, I said oops as well. |
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| 01:36.47 | elbixio | hi all. i just installed debian sid but can't boot. i got thse messages: "/bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/dev: No such file or directory" and "/bin/dash: can't access tty; job control turned off" |
| 01:36.58 | elbixio | does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:37.10 | Guerin | elbixio: don't use sid. |
| 01:37.11 | Buddha| | (that was a joke, of course. sorry.) |
| 01:37.15 | Guerin | elbixio: it's broken. |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:37.20 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 01:38.12 | elbixio | Guerin: really? that's bad :( |
| 01:38.18 | Guerin | elbixio: that's sid. |
| 01:38.19 | Azar | Guerin, I would never need to play DVDs on Debian, I think thats for Ubuntu to handle. Watching movies on Debian is like pooping in a classroom floor |
| 01:38.25 | meff | anyone know off-hand of a kde applet for monitoring network activity? |
| 01:38.27 | silvinho | damnit i just made a gigabit crossover cable for nothing |
| 01:38.29 | Guerin | Azar: wtf? |
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| 01:38.42 | Guerin | meff: konsole -e iptraf |
| 01:38.46 | abrotman | silvinho: now you have one? :) |
| 01:38.53 | meff | Guerin: i said applet :P |
| 01:38.54 | Azar | Guerin, I just protest against the mswindowing of Debian |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | stew: i had no idea you were into that kind of stuff |
| 01:39.08 | Guerin | Azar: right. |
| 01:39.18 | fudoreaper | It appears my hardware clock is not the same as my system clock. after reboot, the time is off by ~8 hours. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 01:39.27 | Guerin | fudoreaper: man date |
| 01:39.37 | Azar | stew, that is a blasphemy |
| 01:39.38 | fudoreaper | Guerin: k. thx |
| 01:39.42 | npx | Azar, are you trying to suggest there is something wrong with dropping trow and squeezing out a brown baby boy in the middle of class? |
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| 01:39.49 | abrotman | fudoreaper: man hwclock .. also |
| 01:39.55 | stew | Azar: oh so i should run ubuntu and be less blashphemous? uh huh |
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| 01:40.08 | Azar | npx yes, it is moronic |
| 01:40.09 | abrotman | stew: are you still pooping while you irc ? |
| 01:40.10 | Guerin | i'm supposed to start work in 3 seconds |
| 01:40.16 | Guerin | but my ride ain't here |
| 01:40.21 | Guerin | praps he got stuck in teh snow |
| 01:40.30 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 01:40.37 | npx | Azar, you, sir, are a prude. |
| 01:40.48 | stew | abrotman: 802.11 is great |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:42.04 | Azar | stew, maybe I am wrong, but one reason I moved from mswindows to Debian was to get rid of the prostituting or a PC into a TV/DVD/Radio/CD/Toaster/AlarmClock/WebCam-Kid-Nanny machine |
| 01:42.08 | fudoreaper | abrotman: i think you're closer to the truth... |
| 01:42.19 | Azar | of* a PC |
| 01:42.25 | poop | thanks folks |
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| 01:42.47 | npx | I, for one, have the universal cachet to use my computer to view 'digital media files' with pomp and vigour |
| 01:42.49 | Guerin | wheee |
| 01:42.54 | epsilon | how do I express tab space in shell/bash? I want to use: echo "foo <tab space> bar" > file |
| 01:42.55 | Guerin | 50% of my day cancelled |
| 01:43.06 | Guerin | epsilon: \t |
| 01:43.11 | epsilon | thx |
| 01:43.11 | Guerin | epsilon: you need echo -e |
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| 01:43.51 | Guerin | 50% of my day cancelled, but the fuckers could have told me before I got out of bed this morning |
| 01:44.51 | Guerin | Azar: that's stupid |
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| 01:48.32 | quik_ | if in my terminal it says, "you have mail" |
| 01:48.37 | quik_ | how do I recieve it? |
| 01:48.43 | wethion | Quick question: I'm in the middle of installing 3.0, and partitioning disks. I'd really like to use fdisk, but when I back out and execute a shell, fdisk /dev/sda, it gives me "unable to open /dev/sda". How do I access fdisk? |
| 01:49.11 | npx | http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20051209/113414040002.html OWNED |
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| 01:50.16 | abrotman | wethion: 3.0 or 3.1 ? |
| 01:50.18 | smacnay | what is the issue with the 2.6.14 kernel in Debian? Where is that FAQ? |
| 01:50.24 | Azar | I have installed and configured Debian on a new computer, but using a CRT monitor, how can I change the configuration to work with an LCD monitor? |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | smacnay: check the bts . .i think it's there |
| 01:50.38 | Arafangion | quik_: By using a mail client. |
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| 01:51.03 | quik_ | wouldn't it mean it was in a mail queue? |
| 01:51.14 | quik_ | or that it was in my users user@localhost account? |
| 01:51.42 | Arafangion | quik_: Generally it's talking about your local mail. |
| 01:51.54 | Arafangion | quik_: Which I suppose can be thought of as user@localhost |
| 01:52.10 | quik_ | whats a good / simple client for command line? |
| 01:52.11 | wethion | abrotman: 3.0, iirc.. I just grabbed a disk I had an image on.. |
| 01:52.22 | quik_ | or can I easily forward my users mail to my real address over here? |
| 01:52.27 | quik_ | on the local machine |
| 01:52.27 | Arafangion | quik_: "mail" might be enough, but many users prefer more full-fledged mail clients. |
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| 01:53.06 | wethion | abrotman: I got cracked night before last.. doing total system rebuild. Teach me to create FTP accounts for friends and trust them to make decent passwords........ |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | wethion: did you try the vanilla image ? |
| 01:53.10 | Arafangion | quik_: user@host *is* the user 'user', on the host 'host. |
| 01:53.21 | wethion | abrotman: expert26 |
| 01:53.30 | abrotman | wethion: that's 3.1 :) |
| 01:53.30 | Arafangion | quik_: Thus, that actually is the "real" email location. |
| 01:53.40 | wethion | abrotman, Kk.. there we are then. |
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| 01:53.50 | Arafangion | wethion: Teach you to use ftp at all :) |
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| 01:54.05 | wethion | Arafangion, Har, de Har Har. |
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| 01:54.48 | abrotman | wethion: does it see the controller ? |
| 01:55.13 | Arafangion | wethion: I like ssh and cousins, such as scp |
| 01:55.23 | wethion | abrotman: yes, I can partition with the debian partitioner, it's an adaptec SCSI controller. |
| 01:55.36 | Azar | I have installed and configured Debian on a new computer, but using a CRT monitor, how can I change the configuration to work with an LCD monitor? |
| 01:55.42 | fudoreaper | abrotman: thanks again. hwclock was exactly what i was looking for. :) |
| 01:55.45 | abrotman | wethion: oh .. maybe it's not /dev/sda ... |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | fudoreaper: you're welcome |
| 01:55.55 | Arafangion | wethion: You can force good "passwords" by disallowing plaintext passwords altogether, forcing them to use a good random stream of bytes as a 'key' :) |
| 01:56.10 | Arafangion | wethion: I use 4KB keys for mine :) |
| 01:56.37 | Guerin | use cracklib |
| 01:56.41 | wethion | abrotman: how could it not be sdX? I'm runnign a pure scsi system. |
| 01:56.46 | Guerin | and run john at nice 19 in your off hours |
| 01:56.57 | rage | I've memorized a DDR song on the keyboard, on double |
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| 01:57.03 | rage | I use that for my password |
| 01:57.09 | abrotman | wethion: it could be /blah/foo/bar/sda :) |
| 01:57.09 | litage | sometimes when i ssh into boxA, i'm instantly prompted for my password, and other times it takes up to 1 minute. why might this happen? |
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| 01:57.24 | Arafangion | Guerin: Why? What does cracklib have to do with anythying when you've disabled passwords altogether? |
| 01:57.27 | Arafangion | disallowed, that is. |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | rage: do you always just blurt out "I'm a loser!" :) |
| 01:57.41 | rage | yup |
| 01:57.53 | franx | hi, has anyone got a radeon9600 pro to work? |
| 01:57.59 | wethion | abrot: *SIGH* why do things have to be so difficult for scsi systems? Fsck. Lemme poke around the shell. |
| 01:58.04 | franx | i mean using ati's drivers? |
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| 01:58.24 | Arafangion | rage: Me, I have a 15-char random stream obtained via repeated bangs on the keyboard. |
| 01:58.37 | Arafangion | rage: That's when I'm not using ssh keys. |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | wethion: i could be wrong .. but it is something to check for |
| 01:59.14 | wethion | Just use some multiplier of the 45-51st digits of Pi. |
| 01:59.33 | Arafangion | rage: Naturally I write it down :) I figure it's easier to get physical access to my computers than to find my password paper. |
| 01:59.37 | Guerin | Arafangion: passwords aren't bad |
| 02:00.06 | ndee | is it possible to update the kernel with apt-get update something? |
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| 02:00.25 | Guerin | ndee: yes. |
| 02:00.38 | Arafangion | Guerin: As a programmer, I am curious about passwords, see for my website, I'm going to be storing passwords and that got me thinking. |
| 02:00.58 | Guerin | Arafangion: ? |
| 02:01.10 | Arafangion | Guerin: How the heck does one store passwords that can be used to auth several other locations, without storing the plaintext? |
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| 02:01.22 | ndee | Guerin: because I've seen on the security list that there is a new kernel package out there(kernel 2.4.27) and I would like to update a server of mine |
| 02:01.27 | Arafangion | Guerin: Particularly if two locations expect a different scheme. |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | ndee: what is your cpu ? |
| 02:01.35 | Guerin | Arafangion: store them crypted in a database |
| 02:01.39 | silvinho | oy what's the syntax to rsync a directory from one server to another ? |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | silvinho: man rsync .. oddly enough |
| 02:01.55 | Guerin | Arafangion: and use an auth daemon to convert them |
| 02:02.04 | ndee | abrotman: It's an Athlon XP |
| 02:02.06 | silvinho | abrotman: har |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | ndee: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-k7 |
| 02:02.19 | abrotman | silvinho: it wasn't a joke |
| 02:02.40 | ndee | abrotman: ok, wish me luck ;) |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | !bless ndee |
| 02:02.45 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child ndee, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:02.48 | Arafangion | Guerin: I see, and only the auth daemon can get the plaintexts again - but it's coded never to give it out - right? |
| 02:02.53 | fbi | !blame canada |
| 02:03.02 | abrotman | fbi: run ... |
| 02:03.11 | Guerin | Arafangion: yeah. |
| 02:03.19 | abrotman | damn gov't .. can't do anything quickly |
| 02:03.20 | Arafangion | Guerin: Not a bad idea, I suppose. |
| 02:03.33 | Guerin | Arafangion: that's how saslauthd works, and I think how courier-authdaemond works. |
| 02:03.37 | ndee | how can I check which boot loader I'm using? |
| 02:03.42 | fbi | i don't actually work for the government. |
| 02:03.53 | fbi | i'm a hitman, i sub-contract. |
| 02:04.06 | Guerin | fbi: a bonghitman |
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| 02:04.11 | fbi | that too. |
| 02:04.25 | fbi | although lately i'been burnin blunts |
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| 02:04.37 | MechaJesusZ | ah |
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| 02:04.52 | fbi | dogz kicks-ass? |
| 02:04.53 | ndee | abrotman: are the normal woody installations a "initrd" installation? |
| 02:04.56 | gpm | hi. i need to reinstall a kernel (because of a yaird bug) and i can't really boot into my system until i do. however, if i try running a livecd and chrooting and installing the kernel that way, it won't let me. anyone have a clue as to what i might do? |
| 02:04.56 | fbi | that doesn't even make sense |
| 02:04.59 | Arafangion | Guerin: Interesting. What about pgp systems? Isn't it enough to just ascertain your identity, without requiring a password? |
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| 02:05.08 | abrotman | ndee: woody ? |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | ndee: uname -a .. show me |
| 02:05.19 | Arafangion | fbi: dogz is an actual program, a "virtual pet" for windows. |
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| 02:05.29 | Arafangion | fbi: Please refrain from mentioning it again. |
| 02:05.29 | ndee | abrotman:Linux GDP-LIN-231-178 2.4.25 #1 Mon Mar 15 16:49:39 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:05.32 | thezanke | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.40 | fbi | Arafangion: thanks, i'll note that in my palm pilot. |
| 02:05.44 | ndee | I mean "stable" |
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| 02:05.48 | ndee | isn't woody stable? |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | ndee: uhm .. yes .. those are initrd |
| 02:05.54 | fbi | ndee: it was. |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | ndee: no .. sarge is |
| 02:05.58 | fbi | ndee: now oldstable |
| 02:06.00 | ndee | ah |
| 02:06.00 | ndee | true |
| 02:06.00 | Arafangion | fbi: I had a younger sister think it was "cute", I thought it was damn evil. |
| 02:06.05 | ndee | sorry for the confusion |
| 02:06.23 | ndee | abrotman: so I don't have to specially configure the boot loader? |
| 02:06.24 | fbi | Arafangion: is your younger sister "cute" ? |
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| 02:06.44 | Arafangion | fbi: Before or after I forcibly removed a tooth? |
| 02:06.58 | fbi | Arafangion: teeth are good for one thing, yanking pubes. |
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| 02:07.15 | smacnay | is there a way to control the linux-image-2.6.12-2-k7 module loading at boot? There are a ton of modules loaded that I don't need. |
| 02:07.15 | wethion | Guys, it's easy. assign vowels a digit or string. pick some favorite class of "things" i.e. greek mythology, monster movies, playmates you've whacked off to, the first 20 words exceeding 10 characters in your favorite book, whatever. give them a value, or arrange them in an order that you can keep in your head. swap vowels with digits. follow monthly progression. easy. |
| 02:07.16 | Arafangion | fbi: Now, that's distasteful. |
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| 02:07.24 | wethion | wow, that was long.. sorry. |
| 02:07.26 | abrotman | ndee: what's your bootloader ? |
| 02:07.32 | ndee | abrotman: Lilo |
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| 02:08.07 | abrotman | ndee: just double check the lilo.conf and your /vmlinuz before you reboot .. and check to make sure it's pointing at your initrd |
| 02:08.10 | Arafangion | wethion: Just memorise a damn random password, change it every 6 months. |
| 02:08.13 | fbi | ndee: you do realize if you still have "stable" in your sources.list you will pull a sarge kernel, right |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | fbi: only if you have the metapackage installed |
| 02:08.42 | Arafangion | wethion: Forcing users to change passwords every 2 weeks just encourages weak passwords. |
| 02:08.52 | fbi | abrotman: eh? |
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| 02:08.56 | ndee | fbi: I was confused, it is a sarge system. |
| 02:09.07 | fbi | !confuse ndee |
| 02:09.07 | dpkg | No, what is their mushroom yesterday, ndee? pants of the republic of tibet with extra crabpaste |
| 02:09.11 | wethion | Arafangion: hence the need for a system the user can easily remember. |
| 02:09.13 | dondelelcaro | wethion: not to mention the fact that some of us have logins on literally hundreds of machines. |
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| 02:09.41 | Arafangion | wethion: "systems" allow for easy cracking. |
| 02:09.45 | ndee | abrotman: ok, So I just have to add the line 'initrd=/initrd.img'? I'm not sure if there should be something like 'initrd=/initrdk2.4.27' |
| 02:09.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you don't use the Liberty system ? |
| 02:09.52 | wethion | dondelelcaro: Oh, I change mine monthly for all systems. |
| 02:10.05 | Arafangion | wethion: Damn, how many systems do you have? |
| 02:10.12 | Azar | does Sarge installer offer a choice of lilo versus grub? |
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| 02:10.20 | abrotman | ndee: check the lilo.conf ... check /vmlinuz and /initrd.img .. make sure it all goes to the right place |
| 02:10.35 | ndee | there is no /initrd.img stanza |
| 02:11.12 | Arafangion | What is the liberty system? |
| 02:11.19 | wethion | Arafangion: Tell you what. ONce I get my system setup, you can brute force root all you want, and I won't deviate from the system I have. YOu crack my pw, by BRUTEFORCE ONLY, and I'll send you 100 bucks. |
| 02:11.19 | fbi | Azar: yes, if you do a linux or expert install |
| 02:11.28 | ndee | http://phpfi.com/91897 that's my lilo.conf |
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| 02:11.37 | Arafangion | wethion: Brute force is pitifully slow. |
| 02:11.37 | Azar | thanks fbi |
| 02:11.43 | Arafangion | wethion: There are always better results. |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | ndee: did you install the new kernel yet ? |
| 02:11.49 | Arafangion | wethion: Methods, that is. |
| 02:11.59 | ndee | abrotman: nope |
| 02:12.10 | ndee | I always stopped when there was this warning message :D |
| 02:12.32 | abrotman | ndee: well .. it'd be hard to make sure it's right when it's not installed yet :) |
| 02:12.37 | Arafangion | That reminds me, I should learn ethereal. |
| 02:12.58 | wethion | Arafangion: then systems work, n'est ce pas? You can't guess it, you don't know me, so the chances of you succeeding via pw are slim to nil. You must resort to other means, which are far easier than trying to brute a system derived password. |
| 02:13.00 | Azar | ndee : when upgrading to a 2.6.x kernel: Even if I get a precompiled kernel from apt-get install kernel-image, you will have to edit lilo before rebooting: vi lilo.conf insert initrd=/initrd.img right below of image=/vmlinuz |
| 02:13.12 | Arafangion | wethion: You don't always need a password. |
| 02:13.17 | ndee | ok |
| 02:13.26 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I have no clue what the liberty system is. |
| 02:13.29 | Azar | ndee no need to stop just not forget to configure lilo with that , save then run /sbin/lilo befor reboot |
| 02:13.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: Sun's answer to MS Passport |
| 02:13.36 | wethion | Arafangion, my point. there are easier ways than guessing passwords. |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think now defunct |
| 02:13.58 | Arafangion | wethion: However, forcing users to change on so many computers all the time just encourages weak passwords. |
| 02:13.58 | ndee | I really have NO idea why I'm doing this at 3:13 am. It's only a staging server but still |
| 02:14.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: http://www.projectliberty.org/ |
| 02:14.15 | Azar | ndee, best works are done after midnight |
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| 02:14.27 | abrotman | at least .. i think that's it |
| 02:14.29 | ndee | Azar: I hope so :D because I have no physical access to the server |
| 02:14.40 | Azar | ndee that sucks |
| 02:14.47 | ndee | it really does |
| 02:15.01 | ndee | so.... I'd have to get really early if the server doesn't come up |
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| 02:15.14 | Arafangion | abrotman: What do you like best about liberty? |
| 02:15.24 | ndee | and call those guys |
| 02:15.32 | Arafangion | abrotman: Damn, tutorial is 137 pages! |
| 02:15.35 | _Roey | hey all |
| 02:15.50 | Azar | linuxvoodoo support charge big money for help over the phone |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | Arafangion: it was a joke .. |
| 02:16.05 | ndee | ok, installed it, now, shall I reboot the server? |
| 02:16.09 | abrotman | Arafangion: i don't know anyone that uses it |
| 02:16.15 | _Roey | is the new Solaris OSI-blessed license open-source in the sense that Debian can include software licensed under it? |
| 02:16.19 | Azar | ndee, saved the file, and ran /sbin/lilo ? |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | ndee: check your lilo.conf and your /vmlinuz and /initrd.img |
| 02:16.22 | ndee | it said, testing and installation successful |
| 02:16.24 | Arafangion | abrotman: With a 137-page "tutorial", I'm not surprised. |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | _Roey: you'd have to ask debian-legal |
| 02:16.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh. |
| 02:16.51 | ndee | ./initrd.img: Not a directory |
| 02:17.01 | dondelelcaro | _Roey: if you're talking about the CDDL, no. |
| 02:17.02 | ndee | so /initrd.img is a file? |
| 02:17.04 | Guerin | _Roey: it's a free software license, but it's not gpl-compatible |
| 02:17.05 | _Roey | abrotman: ok. (btw, #debian-legal doesn't exist) |
| 02:17.12 | Azar | ndee, you need to use "vi" and change lilo as I told you up, then save it. |
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| 02:17.15 | abrotman | _Roey: i know .. debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 02:17.17 | npx | ndee, yeah, an image of a ramdisk |
| 02:17.17 | _Roey | dondelelcaro: I think that's what it was. |
| 02:17.18 | Guerin | _Roey: and there are other issues with it, like patents |
| 02:17.19 | _Roey | abrotman: oh, ok. |
| 02:17.21 | ndee | Azar: I added the line |
| 02:17.25 | npx | "initialization ramdisk image" |
| 02:17.26 | smacnay | specifically, all the ide disk drivers are loaded on boot and I would like to weed that down to the driver for my controller. |
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| 02:17.29 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: there are freeness issues with it as well... |
| 02:17.30 | _Roey | Guerin: so it's not like the BSD license then.. |
| 02:17.33 | Azar | ndee: cd /etc vi lilo.conf |
| 02:17.39 | dondelelcaro | even though the FSF has signed off on it... |
| 02:17.41 | _Roey | dondelelcaro: so why the heck did OSI approve it? |
| 02:17.51 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeh, I haven't read it; it's just listed on the gnu.org free licenses page |
| 02:17.57 | Arafangion | abrotman: Sometimes I wonder if a system like Jabber should have a security system integrated into it. |
| 02:17.57 | ndee | http://phpfi.com/91899 my new lilo.conf |
| 02:18.00 | dondelelcaro | _Roey: it's the OSI. They approve all sorts of cockamamie things. |
| 02:18.05 | abrotman | Arafangion: like SSL ? |
| 02:18.06 | Azar | ndee, when you run /sbin/lilo what it says ? |
| 02:18.11 | _Roey | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 02:18.13 | Arafangion | abrotman: plus pgp |
| 02:18.22 | ndee | Added linux * |
| 02:18.23 | abrotman | Arafangion: i used to have mine setup for gpg and ssl |
| 02:18.24 | ndee | Added linux-old |
| 02:18.25 | fbi | you can run lilo by typing "lilo". |
| 02:18.27 | _Roey | dondelelcaro: it's very disheartening at least |
| 02:18.30 | Arafangion | abrotman: gpg, I mean :) |
| 02:18.42 | Guerin | _Roey: nothing other than you'd expect from Sun, though |
| 02:18.44 | ndee | so theoretically, everything should work now, correct? |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | ndee: yes .. but that doesnt' mean it's correct .. it will stll work even if you don't include the initrd line .. but the system probably won't boot |
| 02:19.01 | ndee | hm |
| 02:19.02 | Arafangion | abrotman: Such that I can verify that you are who you are, and that is enough - I don't need to get your password to further authenticate you. |
| 02:19.05 | dondelelcaro | _Roey: there's not all that much super useful stuff that's licensed under the CDDL yet, save the solaris stuff... not really a big deal. |
| 02:19.11 | wethion | Really, am I going to need more than 3.8 gigs for /usr? |
| 02:19.14 | ndee | is there a way to test it 100% if the system will boot again? |
| 02:19.15 | Guerin | _Roey: if it'd been a BSD-like license, opensolaris would have been *huge* - as it is, it's kind of a plop |
| 02:19.16 | abrotman | Arafangion: yes .. i used to have gpg set up for jabber |
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| 02:19.20 | Azar | ndee it looks good |
| 02:19.27 | _Roey | Guerin: what do you mean, plop. |
| 02:19.31 | _Roey | Guerin: there is already Nexenta... |
| 02:19.41 | Guerin | _Roey: a plop, as opposed to a splash |
| 02:19.44 | Arafangion | abrotman: I used to, also. |
| 02:19.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: Do you still use jabber? |
| 02:19.59 | Azar | ndee, if you just upgraded the kernel, did the lilo.conf, saved it and ran /sbin/lilo, you can now reboot |
| 02:20.04 | _Roey | Guerin: then what do you make of Nexenta? (http://www.gnusolaris.org) |
| 02:20.06 | ndee | whoa, ok |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | Arafangion: yes .. even though jabber.org is a wreck :) |
| 02:20.17 | ndee | "reboot" |
| 02:20.20 | Guerin | _Roey: not much. |
| 02:20.25 | _Roey | k. |
| 02:20.28 | ndee | I'm getting nervous |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | ndee: did you check the initrd stuff ? |
| 02:20.34 | Arafangion | abrotman: It is a complete and utter wreck :( |
| 02:20.41 | ndee | abrotman: what should I have checked there? |
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| 02:20.46 | ndee | the file /initrd.img exists |
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| 02:20.49 | ndee | and also /initrd |
| 02:20.49 | Guerin | _Roey: don't see it as offering much that gnu/linux and *bsd don't, except pandering to suntards. |
| 02:20.49 | wethion | abrotman: 3.8 gigs for /usr is *plenty* right? I mean, come on, it's not like I'm installing the whole Debian distribution. Sheesh. |
| 02:20.54 | Arafangion | abrotman: I wish that jabber servers had higher expectations for reliability. |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | Arafangion: i have a friend who has root to restart it .. and he does it all the time |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | ndee: that it's pointing to the right place |
| 02:21.10 | Arafangion | abrotman: Disgusting. |
| 02:21.18 | wethion | abrotman: <grin> sorry... |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | wethion: depends on the usage .. but it might be |
| 02:21.31 | ndee | abrotman: hm, I didn't really look at the /initrd.img file |
| 02:21.37 | ndee | I just saw that it was there |
| 02:21.51 | _Roey | Guerin: I sorta think it'd be cool to be able to try out different kernels but keep the same Debian system intact (yeah yeah library issues) |
| 02:21.51 | ndee | juhuuuuuuuuu |
| 02:21.54 | ndee | it answers to ping |
| 02:22.03 | Arafangion | abrotman: I like everything about jabber, except for it's immature rooms support, and the stability. |
| 02:22.25 | ndee | Linux GDP-LIN-231-178 2.4.27-2-k7 #1 Wed Aug 17 11:28:09 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:22.29 | ndee | I love you guys :D |
| 02:22.31 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's just jabber.org that is so unstable . at least in my experience .. and the rooms don't bother me .. i don't use it |
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| 02:22.54 | _Roey | *its |
| 02:22.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: Most are unstable, I don't think any have been up for more than a year without a reboot. |
| 02:22.57 | _Roey | (also, you don't like its stability, or its instability??) |
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| 02:22.59 | ndee | now that was painless |
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| 02:23.09 | Arafangion | _Roey: What? |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | Arafangion: a year? .. that i don't mind .. jabber.org is like .. a week if they're lucky |
| 02:23.48 | ndee | thanks guys, I'm going to bed now, now that my server is "safe" again(I know, not 100% safe because that doesn't exist but you get the point) |
| 02:23.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: The one I use currently regularly stays up for a month or two at a time. |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | Arafangion: dunno . i have another .. afaik .. they've not restarted it in over a year |
| 02:24.23 | abrotman | Arafangion: though .. perhaps the machine itself has been restarted |
| 02:24.33 | Arafangion | abrotman: But jabber servers really, really need to distribute themselves such that if the server goes down, there is a failover. |
| 02:24.46 | Azar | ndee same warning will happen when you upgrade to 2.6.x disregard the warning now that you have the initrd line in lilo. |
| 02:24.54 | Arafangion | Currently they sit on individual servers, with no failover. |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | perhaps .. it's still better than other IM options |
| 02:25.14 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yes, though I've become very impressed with Skype |
| 02:25.20 | Guerin | HOW the fuck does a 4-page document with one image and two tables take up ~9MB as a Word document? |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | Arafangion: tried gizmo ? |
| 02:25.31 | Arafangion | Guerin: bitmap images. |
| 02:25.37 | Guerin | there's about 1k of actual content, plus the image is about ~100k |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | Guerin: tiff images in the document ? |
| 02:25.48 | jjazz | Guerin, welcome to windows |
| 02:25.51 | Guerin | abrotman: it's a gif |
| 02:26.03 | Arafangion | Guerin: I don't think it can save as a gif, inside the document. |
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| 02:26.13 | abrotman | jjazz: you're alive! |
| 02:26.19 | jjazz | abrotman, barely! :) |
| 02:26.22 | Guerin | well ... I think I crashed gmail with it :) |
| 02:26.24 | Arafangion | abrotman: Never used gizmo |
| 02:26.51 | abrotman | Arafangion: i wish i knew more people who had tried it .. i don't really have much use for it .. but i do "recommend" it |
| 02:27.01 | Azar | how can I change the settings from a CRT monitor to an LCD monitor? |
| 02:27.07 | Arafangion | abrotman: I have tried Skype, and it's also very popular. Works well on linux. |
| 02:27.22 | abrotman | try gizmo! |
| 02:27.24 | fbi | !drxx Azar |
| 02:27.24 | dpkg | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:27.43 | Azar | thanks fbi, so only Xserver will be affected, right? |
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| 02:28.52 | Marticus | oi |
| 02:28.53 | fbi | Azar: i guess ? i don't understand the question. what else would be affected. |
| 02:28.58 | Marticus | well i've recovered from a hard drive failure |
| 02:29.13 | Marticus | I'm reconfiguring all of the tweaks I had before yesterday |
| 02:29.16 | Arafangion | abrotman: Skype seems more mature. |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | Arafangion: and less free! |
| 02:29.33 | Marticus | I found debian has a nifty hdparm configuration |
| 02:29.42 | fbi | hdparm++ |
| 02:29.55 | Marticus | is there something like that for nic link settings? |
| 02:30.00 | Marticus | like full duplex and such |
| 02:30.03 | Arafangion | abrotman: How so? |
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| 02:30.43 | jjazz | Arafangion, asterisk is free as in speech |
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| 02:30.51 | abrotman | Arafangion: one is open source .. one is not :) |
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| 02:30.59 | Arafangion | abrotman: I can't find the source for gizmo. |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's supposed to be there |
| 02:31.25 | Marticus | if not, I forget the name of the tool to set full duplex 100baseT manually |
| 02:32.03 | jjazz | abrotman, unfortunately, there are no good open source soft phones. I've tried a bunch of them. |
| 02:32.35 | smacnay | does the boot call modules in the directories /etc/modutils and/or /etc/modprobe.d or from the one of the file /etc/modules[.conf] modprobe.conf files? |
| 02:32.40 | Azar | fbi, I thought if the original Sarge installation was done on a / and / with a CRT configuration - before X was installed - it should be as well affecting the system - not only X server |
| 02:32.55 | Arafangion | In any case, Skype is free to download, and is excelent quality. |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | jjazz: gizmo is supposed to be open source |
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| 02:33.00 | bucky | jjazz, did you try SipPhone from linspire (not open source) |
| 02:33.16 | angvp_ | good evening, anyone can help me making a initrd for my system? |
| 02:33.20 | Arafangion | abrotman: I'm willing to *pay* for it. |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | ok ... |
| 02:33.33 | Marticus | hrm, could media type be what I need in etc/networking/interfaces |
| 02:33.35 | Guerin | is this #proprietaryshiteware all of a sudden? |
| 02:33.36 | Arafangion | abrotman: Business, you see :) |
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| 02:33.42 | Marticus | doesn't really say in the man page |
| 02:33.44 | fbi | Azar: now you really lost me. reconfigure the package that handles your X server. it's called xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:33.47 | Arafangion | Guerin: Skype is not shit - yet. |
| 02:33.48 | Azar | angvp_ are you talking about upgrading a kernel in Debian? |
| 02:33.54 | Guerin | Arafangion: you lie. |
| 02:34.02 | jjazz | bucky, I've only tried open source stuff. My whole office is on an asterisk pbx, and the we have polycom phones, but most of us would like softphones on our laptops. We've tried all the FOSS ones and they are all rather horrid. |
| 02:34.09 | Azar | fbi, cool, thank you that will be piece of cake. |
| 02:34.25 | bucky | jjazz, interesting |
| 02:34.27 | angvp_ | Azar i've compiled a kernel, and i need to make an initrd file of that kernel |
| 02:34.40 | bucky | Marticus, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-ifupdown |
| 02:34.49 | Azar | angvp_ I only know lilo, if you use grub, wait for someone to show you how |
| 02:35.15 | jjazz | bucky, We keep a pretty close watch on the new ones. At Astricon (the Asterisk convention), the conventional wisdom was to use asterisk itself as a softphone with a commandline interface, but that seems to only be appropriate for people that go to Astricon (i.e. Asterisk geeks) |
| 02:35.21 | Azar | angvp_, are you using lilo bootloader? |
| 02:35.28 | angvp_ | no, im using grub |
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| 02:35.49 | Azar | oh sorry, I have no idea about it ask again someone who knows grub will help you |
| 02:35.55 | Marticus | bucky: there was nothing there about media type |
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| 02:36.00 | Marticus | bucky: thanks though |
| 02:37.01 | Azar | interesting enough grub was advertised as being better than lilo (no manual configuration needed) |
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| 02:37.21 | ludi | how do I upgrade my debian from stable to testing? |
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| 02:37.40 | abrotman | !tell ludi about sarge->etch |
| 02:37.41 | fbi | ludi: man apt-get; man aptitude |
| 02:37.51 | bucky | Marticus, mii is the tool i think |
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| 02:37.53 | fbi | !tell abrotman about thingfish |
| 02:38.17 | tengulre | hi,all! I use apt-get install proftpd to installed my ftp server, but when i login ftp, I got this messages: "ftp: bind: Address already in use"? why? |
| 02:38.27 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does anyone know what is keyboard driver in linux? |
| 02:38.32 | ludi | abrotman: thx |
| 02:38.36 | jjazz | abrotman, I'm on the gizmo website and I don't see a link to download source code |
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| 02:38.52 | Azar | ludi cd /etc/apt vi sources.list look for and change every instance of "stable" with "testing", save , aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | !tell fbi about adminspotting |
| 02:39.27 | bucky | TraceGreen, did you edit proftpd.conf and restart proftpd ? |
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| 02:39.39 | ludi | Azar: what about replacing the security.debian.org line by a testing security line |
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| 02:40.12 | Azar | ludi, I am not sure if security covers other versions than the stable one, but try . |
| 02:40.21 | fbi | ludi: /topic |
| 02:40.44 | TraceGreen | bucky, what do you mean? ftp? |
| 02:40.52 | jjazz | Azar, ludi, there aren't security updates for any version except stable |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | fbi: did you like it ? |
| 02:41.04 | Guerin | jjazz: not strictly true |
| 02:41.07 | fbi | wtf @ that |
| 02:41.09 | Guerin | !testing security |
| 02:41.09 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
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| 02:41.15 | Azar | jjazz, I was thinking the same, but thanks for the heads up |
| 02:41.20 | ludi | fbi: jjazz: Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 02:41.35 | jjazz | Guerin, really? What do those contain? |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | fbi: you didn't ? |
| 02:41.37 | fbi | ludi: why are you telling me? i don't run etch. |
| 02:41.39 | ludi | so does that mean that I should replace the security line with "http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 02:41.41 | Arafangion | abrotman: It needs a reference to naked computing. |
| 02:41.47 | Guerin | jjazz: read them and you'll see |
| 02:41.48 | fbi | abrotman: does that describe you? |
| 02:41.56 | jjazz | Guerin, that sounds like work ;) |
| 02:41.59 | abrotman | fbi: no .. i'm a damn bastard! |
| 02:42.13 | ludi | should I replace the security line with "http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
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| 02:42.20 | Marticus | hrm, I'm not finding documentation for ifupdown |
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| 02:42.46 | Azar | ludi I think they ment you read that link |
| 02:42.51 | fbi | ludi: it says "see". you should probably open that url in a browser. |
| 02:42.53 | Azar | ...or I am wrong |
| 02:43.02 | ludi | oh |
| 02:43.26 | sbromle | Hi folks, I have a question about a problem building gnome-panel using dpkg-buildpackage. Is this the correct channel to ask such a question? |
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| 02:43.59 | Arafangion | Azar: Yes, it's correct. |
| 02:44.02 | lakcaj | I have a machine whos ethernet has suddenly stopped working. After issuing "dhclient eth0" I'm getting "no working leases in persistent database" and eth0 is not appearing in /proc/interrupts. |
| 02:44.36 | ludi | Azar: deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:44.38 | ludi | is that what I put? |
| 02:44.46 | abrotman | sbromle: what's the problem ? |
| 02:45.10 | sbromle | ok. When issuing "dpkg-buildpackage -rsudo -b" in the package directory, the build halts after only a few lines with the message "Waiting for connection...", I was wondering what the cause of that was. |
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| 02:45.51 | stew | sbromle: why are you using sudo instead of fakeroot? |
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| 02:46.13 | Guerin | stew: find out what it's trying to connect to |
| 02:46.15 | Guerin | sbromle: |
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| 02:46.50 | sbromle | no reason...I'm just used to that. If fakeroot will work better, I can try that. |
| 02:46.55 | lakcaj | It is as though the ethernet card has suddenly disappeared from the system - it doesn't appear in the gnome "Network Tools" utility either. |
| 02:47.04 | lakcaj | I'm at my wits end, and I don't know what else to do. |
| 02:47.20 | stew | sbromle: strace it maybe? |
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| 02:47.46 | stew | sbromle: if this is some standard debian gnome package you might ask in #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org (iirc) |
| 02:48.03 | sbromle | ok. I'll give it a go. ok, I'll try debian-gnome as well. Back in a sec. |
| 02:48.10 | sbromle | thnx. |
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| 02:51.45 | ludi | what does this line do in my sources.list? deb-src http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
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| 02:52.10 | abrotman | ludi: source packages for security updates |
| 02:52.17 | ludi | what is a source package? |
| 02:52.17 | stew | ludi: it allows you to download source for security updates for testing, man sources.list |
| 02:52.19 | ludi | do I need it? |
| 02:52.38 | stew | ludi: not unless you are going to recompile things yourself |
| 02:52.43 | derek5437 | hello,does anyone know how to set the resolution in bootx? |
| 02:52.51 | ludi | ok thanks. I guess I don't need it then I'l take it out |
| 02:53.02 | Bogaurd | how can i config apache so that my entire server supports ssl, and mail.site.net has a different documentroot to the main server documentroot? |
| 02:53.04 | ludi | what about this should I keep this one? deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:53.18 | lakcaj | Does anyone know what the kernel module for the nforce2 on-board ethernet adapter is? |
| 02:53.29 | stew | ludi: yes you shold keep that one, it will get you security patches as they are released |
| 02:53.35 | epsilon | Bogaurd: which apache version? |
| 02:53.44 | ludi | stew: thanks that is what I thought |
| 02:53.49 | Bogaurd | epsilon: 1.3.3 |
| 02:54.05 | Bogaurd | epsilon: erm, 1.3.33 |
| 02:54.07 | ludi | I hope I don't have to recompile nvidia driver after sarge --> etch update |
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| 02:54.28 | epsilon | Bogaurd: new server? If possible use apache 2 |
| 02:54.31 | Guerin | ludi: if you change kernels you will |
| 02:54.56 | Bogaurd | epsilon: i'd prefer to stick with 1.3.33 for now - I may migrate in the future |
| 02:55.24 | epsilon | Bogaurd: ganrally you need 3 steps: create ssl certificate, update the configuration, enable vhosts with ssl support |
| 02:55.30 | ludi | I have "2.6.8-2-686-smp" right now with sarge, I don't think etch has a more up-to-date kernel does it? |
| 02:55.47 | Bogaurd | epsilon: the ssl works fine - i just need some help with virtualhosts :) |
| 02:55.50 | Guerin | ludi: it most certainly does |
| 02:56.08 | Guerin | vhosts with ssl don't really work |
| 02:56.34 | ludi | Guerin: how come apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't update my kernel when I switch from sarge to etch? |
| 02:56.51 | dvs | ludi: It never upgrades kernels |
| 02:56.58 | Guerin | ludi: because it only upgrades packages you already have |
| 02:56.58 | epsilon | Bogaurd: that's the most easy part... add new vhost with "SSLEngine on" |
| 02:57.04 | Guerin | dvs: untrue |
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| 02:57.31 | Bogaurd | epsilon: yes - i can do that fine. i run into problems when i want to have another virtualhost for mail.site.net |
| 02:57.36 | dvs | Guerin: Oh yeah. Those kernel-image-2.6-whatever packages. |
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| 02:57.49 | derek5437 | hello,does anyone know how to set the resolution in bootx? |
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| 02:58.00 | epsilon | Bogaurd: you can only create one cert per IP, if you mean that |
| 02:58.08 | ludi | Guerin: I have the kernel-image-2.6 package that is supposed to always upgrade the most recent one, so shouldn't it upgrade? |
| 02:58.11 | Azar | I am studying "top" and when I try to KILL "k" some man job it does not do it, am I doing something wrong? |
| 02:58.13 | unique | i want to create that character ^] or ^G how can i do it? i hit ESC and what? in this manual i was reading it tells me BEL, what is bell? :) |
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| 02:58.21 | dvs | ludi: What is the exact name? |
| 02:58.27 | Azar | hi booto |
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| 02:58.53 | ludi | dvs: how do I find out from the console? I can't use synaptic it's locked |
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| 02:59.08 | Loonix | some evil ppl in here |
| 02:59.12 | Bogaurd | epsilon: nope - not what i mean. what i mean is that as soon as a create a virtualhost 'mail.site.net' with a different DocumentRoot, everything else breaks. www.site.net doesnt work properly, and seems to have the same documentroot as mail.site.net |
| 02:59.17 | dvs | ludi: dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6* |
| 02:59.35 | Guerin | ludi: the metapackage should, yeah. but the etch kernel is probably a linux-image, not a kernel-image. Difference in name only. |
| 02:59.42 | pawdro | hi, can anyone knows good website abou configuring nvidia drivers? |
| 02:59.56 | epsilon | Bogaurd: you use different vhosts for each subdomain? |
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| 03:00.02 | Azar | pawdro, for what distro, what version? |
| 03:00.11 | ludi | Guerin: linux-image is the new name for kernel-image? |
| 03:00.12 | pawdro | sarge |
| 03:00.14 | fndude | Sama seems to have a size limit of 4gig on transfers from the server to my client on a mount. Is there a different version of samba, or a patch via apt I can get to correct this? Sarge. |
| 03:00.14 | Bogaurd | epsilon: i'm trying to.... but i dunno what i'm doing wrong... |
| 03:00.25 | fndude | er sama s/sama/samba |
| 03:00.30 | abrotman | fndude: ask #samba |
| 03:00.33 | epsilon | did you verify the config? |
| 03:00.43 | Guerin | ludi: yeh |
| 03:00.54 | fndude | join #samba |
| 03:00.56 | fndude | er |
| 03:00.59 | Azar | pawdro /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 03:01.41 | ludi | Guerin: so after the upgrade from sarge to etch, I should uninstall the kernel-image metapackage and install the linux-image metapackage? |
| 03:01.58 | epsilon | Bogaurd: if unsure, copy the sample config from http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/index.html |
| 03:02.07 | pawdro | thx |
| 03:02.12 | Guerin | ludi: if you want the new kernels, yeah |
| 03:02.20 | Bogaurd | epsilon: tried exactly that, doesnt work. |
| 03:03.07 | epsilon | Bogaurd: what's the exact error? What's in error logs? |
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| 03:03.22 | Bogaurd | epsilon: no errors at all, just doesnt behave correctly |
| 03:03.34 | epsilon | doesn't help me to analyse |
| 03:03.52 | Guerin | !vague |
| 03:03.52 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 03:03.54 | epsilon | whats in access log? |
| 03:04.01 | epsilon | correc tfiles loaded? |
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| 03:04.20 | lakcaj | What is the kernel module for onboard nforce2 ethernet? |
| 03:04.22 | ludi | Guerin: Do I want the new kernel? |
| 03:04.37 | dvs | lakcaj: forcedeth |
| 03:04.38 | Guerin | ludi: only you can answer that question, young padawan. |
| 03:04.41 | epsilon | ludi: the kernel came in today with DSA? |
| 03:04.55 | Azar | lakcaj, lspci find the exact name of your ethernet driver |
| 03:05.13 | mojo | I just installed the newest 686 SMP sid kernel, and it seems to be broken :( |
| 03:05.18 | Guerin | ludi: i dislike auto-kernel-upgradation, because the new kernel sometimes clobbers your new kernel, and that can make a system unbootable in rare cases. |
| 03:05.28 | epsilon | mojo: sid q.e.d. |
| 03:05.46 | Guerin | ludi: but I'm curmudgeonly like that, and plenty of people use it without incident. |
| 03:06.02 | lakcaj | Azar: Ethernet contoller: NVidia Corp nforce2 ethernet controller (Rev A1) |
| 03:06.28 | lakcaj | I need to load this module, because my machine doesn't see the card anymore for some reason, and I can't get a dhcp addy |
| 03:06.30 | Azar | lakcaj, then you might look for and find it on modconf table |
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| 03:07.00 | Guerin | !ops feel like updating the /topic to mention that sid is currently unbootable with the new 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 03:07.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: feel like updating the /topic to mention that sid is currently unbootable with the new 2.6.14 kernel |
| 03:07.04 | Azar | lakcaj, by chance you just upgraded your kernel to a 2.6.x one? |
| 03:07.14 | lakcaj | Azar: no new kernel upgrade what so ever. |
| 03:07.26 | caphuso | it's a yaird problem, not a kernel one |
| 03:07.27 | pawdro | it's written that /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process, but i dont use anything connected with debconf |
| 03:07.31 | pawdro | why's that |
| 03:07.31 | Azar | lakcaj, what kernel version are you running ? |
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| 03:07.35 | abrotman | ok .. but something would be nice |
| 03:07.38 | mojo | damnit, noob here. what is q.e.d.? |
| 03:07.51 | mojo | google failed |
| 03:07.53 | lakcaj | If tried both 2.6.8-2 2.6.8-11, both of which used to work |
| 03:07.57 | lakcaj | s/If/I |
| 03:08.01 | abrotman | jjazz: ping! |
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| 03:08.17 | lakcaj | Azar: where is the modconf table? |
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| 03:08.26 | abrotman | oh wait .. stew might know |
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| 03:08.52 | Azar | lakcaj, everytime I go to a 2.6.x kernel the ethernet card needs to be selected again... for some reason. do modconf and pick it again, then try ifdown/ifup |
| 03:09.12 | Azar | lakcaj just type "modconf" at command line |
| 03:09.27 | jjazz | abrotman, pong! |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | jjazz: you know mercury lounge ? |
| 03:10.07 | lakcaj | Azar: don't have that installed :) |
| 03:10.11 | jjazz | abrotman, Yes, quite well. Been a couple years, but I used to go there all the time |
| 03:10.37 | Azar | lakcaj, everytime you get a kernel modconf invites you to pick your drivers |
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| 03:10.46 | abrotman | jjazz: from Penn .. A to F trains .. off at 2nd ? |
| 03:11.01 | Azar | lakcaj, are you sure you are running Debian? |
| 03:11.03 | jjazz | abrotman, Yes, absolutely |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | jjazz: no other way ? |
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| 03:11.25 | ludi | epsilon: DSA? debian security advisory? |
| 03:11.26 | abrotman | jjazz: or rather .. that's the easiest ? |
| 03:11.33 | jjazz | abrotman, nothing convenient, except maybe a taxi |
| 03:11.52 | jjazz | abrotman, if it's this weekend, be aware there is a small chance of a transit strike, in which case... stay home |
| 03:12.03 | lakcaj | Azar: quite sure. Are you thinking of make config or something? I have two machines, neither of which have the modconf binary, which is provided by the modconf package |
| 03:12.10 | abrotman | jjazz: no .. for NY's E |
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| 03:12.23 | jjazz | abrotman, who's playing? |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | jjazz: not for me |
| 03:12.26 | lakcaj | limbo:~# dpkg -l | grep modconf |
| 03:12.26 | lakcaj | limbo:~# |
| 03:12.36 | abrotman | jjazz: http://www.mercuryloungenyc.com/calendar/index.html |
| 03:12.51 | Azar | lakcaj, my knowledge stops there: I only use modconf to configure my driver modules... I have nothing more to offer to you there. |
| 03:12.58 | jjazz | abrotman, You, of course, are too smart to enter the madness of NYC on that night |
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| 03:13.31 | abrotman | jjazz: i was asked to go .. but probably just as a navigator :) |
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| 03:14.26 | jjazz | abrotman, heh. I will likely be in a warehouse in Queens or maybe a small club in Brooklyn. I usually throw a party, but this year, I'm going to _enjoy_ New Year's. |
| 03:14.28 | blackjack | hi, does anyone knows of a good howto on apach2 and tomcat on debian 3.1? |
| 03:14.38 | lakcaj | Is there any way to make this machine probe for ethernet adapters and load the appropriate module? Please, I'm doing this over the phone and I'm having a really tought time with it. |
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| 03:14.57 | amphi | lakcaj: what card is it? |
| 03:15.05 | dvs | lakcaj: forcedeth didn't work? |
| 03:15.25 | kyncani | lakcaj: you can install discover, it should handle it |
| 03:15.41 | lakcaj | I can't install software without ethernet :) |
| 03:15.50 | lakcaj | dvs: one sec, I was spelling it forcedeath :) |
| 03:16.20 | jjazz | lakcaj, your mistake was being tempted by the dark side of the force |
| 03:16.24 | lakcaj | :) |
| 03:16.44 | bucky | how would it be... culture! |
| 03:16.58 | bucky | the only culture around here is in yogurt |
| 03:17.02 | kyncani | lakcaj: yeah, right :) you can install apt-zip (download the .deb if it's not on the install cd). Apt-zip can create a script that can download discover. You would need at least one unix with internet though |
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| 03:18.06 | lakcaj | kyncani: ok, that is a possibility |
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| 03:18.22 | kyncani | lakcaj: a rather twisted one, but it should work :) |
| 03:18.54 | ss3 | Help! My eyes can't parse `fdisk -l` output. I need a GUI (ncurses are OK) to format some free space on my HD. Any suggestions? |
| 03:19.12 | mojo | ok. When someone responds to me "q.e.d." when I tell them that the newest sid kernel is broke, what does that mean? |
| 03:19.12 | kyncani | ss3: gparted, qtparted |
| 03:19.38 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want unload usbcore, but system always told me module is in use. i check all modules use lsmod, can't find any module use usbcore. |
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| 03:21.24 | epsilon | mojo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D. |
| 03:21.32 | amphi | ss3: cfdisk ? |
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| 03:22.58 | mojo | I know, I read that when I checked google. How does it apply to the kernel being broken? I was just wondering if anyone else had a probvlem with it. |
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| 03:23.52 | pawdro | tell me about upgrading to the latest gnome |
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| 03:24.05 | lakcaj | dvs: Ok, the forcedeth module loaded, but still no eth0 in /proc/interrupts, and ifup eth0 still gives "no working leases in persistent database" |
| 03:24.33 | ss3 | gparted and qtparted are not in Sarge. cfdisk neither, although there is cfdisk-utf8, which for some reason tells people not to install itself (in the description) |
| 03:24.34 | dvs | lakcaj: ifconfig? |
| 03:24.35 | epsilon | pawdro: break dependency and complile the newest source from scratch |
| 03:24.48 | lakcaj | dvs: eth0 showed up in ifconfig -a |
| 03:24.49 | pawdro | epsilon: yeah right |
| 03:24.51 | pawdro | ;] |
| 03:24.54 | epsilon | pawdro: or find a backport somewhere |
| 03:25.21 | pawdro | thats better idea |
| 03:25.23 | sbromle | Hi again folks. I've attempted to contact someone on irc.gnome.org#gnome-debian, though was unsuccessful. I've also tried to see what the cause of the "waiting for connection" hang during dpkg-buildpackage of gnome-panel was caused by, by using strace. That showed nothing. Anyone experience this before? I noticed that it is mentioned at http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2002-05/msg00236.html, but not how to resolve it. |
| 03:25.45 | abrotman | jjazz: switch at Wash Sq. ? |
| 03:26.00 | dvs | lakcaj: I have no idea what that error message means. |
| 03:26.11 | dvs | lakcaj: It sounds like dhcp to me |
| 03:26.20 | lakcaj | I'm going to have to take a break from this tonight. I'm getting really pissed off. dvs and everyone else, thanks for your help, and I'm sure I'll be in here tomorrow. |
| 03:26.30 | jjazz | abrotman, Yes. Get off the train, there will be stairs right there. Go down 2 flights of stairs and you'll be in the platform for the F. |
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| 03:26.51 | abrotman | jjazz: just making sure .. that's what i had suggested .. but double checking :) |
| 03:27.05 | Azar | lakcaj check your /etc/network/interfaces file for possible misconfiguration of your dhcp settings. |
| 03:27.09 | jjazz | abrotman, yeah, not a good night to get directions messed up. |
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| 03:28.45 | takeshipwnedyou | having trouble installing packages....ones that came as standard when i net-installed sarge before, but now they're "not found" or require newer versions of things that claim to be at the latest version....i did apt-get update, but it didn't help. what should i do? |
| 03:29.04 | ss9 | hello, need help. just upgraded from sarge to etch. when I run apt-get dist-upgrade I get an unmet dependencies error |
| 03:29.37 | Azar | takeshipwnedyou: install/use aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 03:30.15 | epsilon | how can I make sshd to log all login attempts? |
| 03:30.30 | takeshipwnedyou | i've been using synaptic |
| 03:30.36 | caphuso | epsilon: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 03:30.38 | deadcat | epsilon: /var/log/auth.log |
| 03:31.11 | bdhenderson | anyone know of a wlan gui? |
| 03:31.17 | deadcat | no |
| 03:31.25 | deadcat | wlan dont make sense |
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| 03:32.20 | bdhenderson | that acronym or the concept? |
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| 03:32.35 | sbromle | Apparently, "test" is listening on port 5000 during the dpkg-buildpackage build of gnome-panel. Does anyone know why this is so? |
| 03:33.33 | deadcat | bdhenderson: acronym |
| 03:33.37 | deadcat | boo hoo |
| 03:33.39 | takeshipwnedyou | the main package i want is k3b, but it's requiring a newer version of cdparanoia |
| 03:33.48 | deadcat | takeshipwnedyou: wait for ti |
| 03:33.59 | pawdro | i cant find any backports with the latest gnome gnome |
| 03:34.03 | takeshipwnedyou | ti? |
| 03:34.06 | deadcat | it |
| 03:34.13 | pawdro | can anyone knows any? |
| 03:34.19 | justnulli | are there any install drivers for 3ware 9550SX card? |
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| 03:34.28 | takeshipwnedyou | deadcat: what do you mean? |
| 03:34.39 | deadcat | takeshipwnedyou: wait till it gets to unstable or testing |
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| 03:35.02 | ss9 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-volume-manager (>=1.2.1) but 1.2.0-2 is installed Depends: sound-juicer but it is not installed Depends: totem (>=1.0.4) but 0.100-5 is installed Depends: vino (>=2.10.0) but 2.8.2-1.1 is installed Depends: zenity (>= 2.10) but 2.8.2-1 is installed nautilus: Depends: nautilus-data (>=2.10.1-5) but 2.8.2-2 is installed udev: Depends: hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-1 |
| 03:35.06 | takeshipwnedyou | k3b should be stable |
| 03:35.16 | deadcat | not if you want the latest version |
| 03:35.24 | ss9 | Would anyone be able to help me fix this problem? |
| 03:35.35 | deadcat | ss9: testing? sid? wait for it |
| 03:35.41 | ss9 | deadcat: testing. |
| 03:35.53 | abrotman | ss9: apt-get update |
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| 03:36.01 | ss9 | abrotman: I did apt-get update first |
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| 03:36.07 | deadcat | like i said |
| 03:36.18 | epsilon | ss9: what in sources.list? |
| 03:36.30 | epsilon | cause the packages seems to be in etch |
| 03:36.33 | takeshipwnedyou | so in the meantime i should install an older version? |
| 03:36.38 | abrotman | ss9: paste your sources in #flood |
| 03:36.43 | deadcat | epsilon: ya. but check the version |
| 03:36.54 | ss9 | epsilon: how do I enable the mouse highlighting in console? |
| 03:37.02 | abrotman | ss9: /j #flood |
| 03:37.03 | epsilon | eh? |
| 03:37.04 | deadcat | ss9: gpm |
| 03:37.09 | ss9 | it's too painful to manually copy text over |
| 03:37.11 | abrotman | ack .. no .. no gpm! |
| 03:37.13 | ss9 | one sec let me install gpm |
| 03:37.16 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have a problem with my primary dns server 68.42.242.252 and slaves connecting to it or me from slaves doing dig @68.42.242.252 aresgate.net but when i dodig +tcp @68.42.242.252 aresgate.net it works nmap -sU -p53 68.42.242.252 says open|filtered also which is not a good sign can someone please help me troubleshoot it? |
| 03:37.16 | abrotman | ss9: i realize that .. |
| 03:37.20 | abrotman | ss9: no .. don't use gpm |
| 03:37.25 | ss9 | ok |
| 03:37.25 | abrotman | ss9: /j #flood |
| 03:37.29 | deadcat | hell. use SCREEEN and dump it (= |
| 03:37.36 | deadcat | ^EEE^EE |
| 03:37.36 | ss9 | abrotman: what is /j ? |
| 03:37.43 | abrotman | /join |
| 03:37.51 | ss9 | ok I'm in there |
| 03:37.52 | konfuzed | hhmmmm here's a thought, i dont do any content dev but this film camera guy wants me to put him together a linux box for video editing. is it better to use kde or gnome on debian for film video editing - rendering and sound ? |
| 03:38.20 | deadcat | time for a debian reinstall for me (= |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | ss9: sometimes that mirror is out of date |
| 03:39.01 | deadcat | use debian.org mirror |
| 03:39.02 | deadcat | hehe |
| 03:39.04 | Caelum | evilbulgarian: is your ISP filtering dns? |
| 03:39.28 | ss9 | so just change mirrors.kernel.org to debian.org ? |
| 03:39.34 | abrotman | ss9: use apt-setup |
| 03:40.31 | ss9 | ftp.debian.org |
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| 03:40.57 | ss9 | seems to time out |
| 03:40.57 | epsilon | use a mirror in your country |
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| 03:41.11 | evilbulgarian | Celelibi: i called them and they said no but is there a way to check |
| 03:41.13 | ss9 | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:41.16 | takeshipwnedyou | what line do i add o my sources.list to add testing/sid? |
| 03:41.27 | epsilon | testing != sid |
| 03:41.33 | epsilon | you an't add both |
| 03:41.36 | EdLin | takeshipwnedyou: iyntays |
| 03:41.38 | ss9 | apt-setup reset my sources.list back to stable..... |
| 03:41.45 | epsilon | (or you can, but you may have sid then |
| 03:41.48 | ss9 | I just updated to etch though. |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | ss9: oh .. you didn't upgrade fully to etch ? |
| 03:42.07 | epsilon | ss9: just replace "stable" with "testing" or "etch" |
| 03:42.15 | abrotman | !tell ss9 about sarge->etch |
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| 03:42.19 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BORKED: yaird/kernels (#343042/#343048) | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure | Please note: this is not #ubuntu. |
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| 03:42.30 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 03:42.36 | dondelelcaro | diff: yaird/kernel horkage |
| 03:42.41 | ss9 | abrotman: right in the middle of upgrade to etch, I got that error I posted above |
| 03:43.08 | abrotman | ss9: ok .. just change your sources again .. `apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade` |
| 03:43.11 | necro- | hey, quick question for anyone that knows :) what's the major different between apache v1.x.x and apache v2.x.x ? i looked at their faq, it's not listed.. |
| 03:43.17 | necro- | difference, rather |
| 03:43.30 | epsilon | if absolutly nothing helps (worst worst worst case), break dependency and upgrade all, then fix dependency |
| 03:43.34 | ss9 | abrotman: can you check my sources.list on #flood please? |
| 03:43.47 | dondelelcaro | necro-: there are loads of differences. The major one is the different engines. |
| 03:44.08 | abrotman | ss9: now `apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade` |
| 03:44.39 | necro- | dondek: just interested in the major differences :) |
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| 03:45.28 | ss9 | abrotman: epsilon: check #flood got error on apt update |
| 03:46.02 | ss9 | unmet dependencies, same as error previously posted here |
| 03:46.05 | necro- | ah, found this! http://apache.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/20/0028204 |
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| 03:48.02 | takeshipwnedyou | is there a command line command to go up to Etch? |
| 03:48.08 | le_mackeux | Hi guys. Is it easy to install a debian from another machine? |
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| 03:48.19 | takeshipwnedyou | because this is just upsetting me now |
| 03:48.48 | Caelum | takeshipwnedyou: change sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:49.04 | le_mackeux | ?? |
| 03:49.24 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 03:49.24 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 03:49.37 | abrotman | le_mackeux: wait .. you mean remotely ? .. or over another linux distro ? |
| 03:49.43 | epsilon | takeshipwnedyou: if you want up-to-date desktop linux, debian stable is definitly a bad idea |
| 03:49.52 | Caelum | necro-: apache2 can uses different thread models rather than just forking |
| 03:49.59 | pawdro | how to search gnome 2.12 using apt-cache? |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel experimental |
| 03:50.16 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.12.2-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 353 kB, Installed size: 816 kB |
| 03:50.31 | le_mackeux | abrotman: no forget the chroot way or remotly. i've spend the last 2 days trying to install debian on a machine that doesn't boot on the debian floppy nor cd |
| 03:50.45 | takeshipwnedyou | what do i change in sources.list? |
| 03:50.56 | le_mackeux | abrotman: i've try to loadlin but i can't get my hand on a dos |
| 03:51.07 | abrotman | le_mackeux: so what exactly are you looking for ? |
| 03:51.27 | epsilon | takeshipwnedyou: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:51.38 | le_mackeux | abrotman: i want to know if it is possible to install debian on a machine and then switch the harddrive from one to the orhter |
| 03:51.39 | epsilon | takeshipwnedyou: replace "stable" or "sarge" into "etch" |
| 03:51.54 | Caelum | le_mackeux: absolutely |
| 03:51.54 | abrotman | le_mackeux: oh .. in most cases .. shold be fine |
| 03:52.14 | le_mackeux | abrotman: yes, what are the not most cases. |
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| 03:52.24 | le_mackeux | abrotman: i ran into it |
| 03:52.41 | treyh0 | what package do i need to install on an x86 laptop to enable "sleep" or "suspend" capability? |
| 03:52.43 | abrotman | le_mackeux: did you try to slave it and then make it the master ? |
| 03:52.46 | abrotman | !swswap |
| 03:52.48 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 03:52.50 | abrotman | !suspend |
| 03:52.50 | dpkg | methinks suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 03:52.57 | treyh0 | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 03:53.10 | sbromle | Hi folks, I've found another reference on lists.debian.org |
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| 03:53.18 | treyh0 | ubuntu screwed up my lcd and gave me a dead pixel :( |
| 03:53.18 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 03:53.18 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 03:53.20 | le_mackeux | abrotman: no, that probem was solved a long time ago. grub finds it |
| 03:53.25 | treyh0 | i am ready to nuke the ubuntu camps |
| 03:53.28 | abrotman | le_mackeux: so waht's the error ? |
| 03:53.31 | Caelum | le_mackeux: old kernel? |
| 03:53.53 | le_mackeux | abrotman: It's uncompressing the kernel and then reboots the machine. Nothing elso on the screen |
| 03:54.06 | le_mackeux | Caelum: 2.4.27 i think |
| 03:54.10 | le_mackeux | the standard one |
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| 03:54.22 | abrotman | le_mackeux: did you try a 2.6 ? |
| 03:54.23 | seeds | hello am trying to fix a broken program but synaptic says 141 programs will be removed |
| 03:54.27 | sbromle | Hi folks, I've found another reference on lists.debian.org regarding the "waiting for connection" problem during dpkg-buildpackage. It's here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/02/thrd6.html#02873. But again no solution. Anyone know where else I can look? Thnx! |
| 03:54.35 | seeds | do i do it manually instead? |
| 03:54.57 | Caelum | seeds: which program? |
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| 03:55.08 | seeds | same old azureus |
| 03:55.20 | le_mackeux | abrotman: no my idea was to install half of my system untill the install wants to reboot the machine, switch the hard drive and complete the install on the other machine but, i ran into that problem and i'm stuck there |
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| 03:55.26 | EdLin | !azureus |
| 03:55.36 | seeds | i installed some dependencies but they won't work |
| 03:55.37 | abrotman | le_mackeux: no way .. don't do that .. finish the install |
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| 03:56.08 | seeds | i jus wanna upgrade my system to get the latest dependencies |
| 03:56.09 | le_mackeux | abrotman: if i do, it will install all the modules and stuff for the machine i'm installing it on. not the one that will run it |
| 03:56.26 | abrotman | that's ok .. they're done automagically |
| 03:56.36 | abrotman | yay discover/udev/hotplug |
| 03:56.37 | seeds | but it won't upgrade cos azureus must be removed |
| 03:57.07 | golly | hey yall......quick q......what are the security implications for logging into X as root, aside from the obvious someone-could-sneak-into-my-house thing? |
| 03:57.15 | treyh0 | is it common for some people to have the experimental dist enabled without pinning it down in apt prefs? |
| 03:57.24 | treyh0 | those who live on the edge |
| 03:57.30 | Caelum | seeds: do you have java installed? it depends on it |
| 03:57.32 | le_mackeux | abrotman: will it be a problem if the install machine is an AMD and the machine that debian will run onto is a pentium 133 |
| 03:57.43 | seeds | yes i have sun java installed |
| 03:57.54 | abrotman | le_mackeux: shouldn't be . install installs a 386 generic kernel |
| 03:58.03 | seeds | it needs other files |
| 03:58.14 | Caelum | treyh0: dunno if it's common, but I'm using that with priority set above unstable |
| 03:58.22 | le_mackeux | abrotman: that's what i'm thinking but i'm the kinda a guy that attract the problems |
| 03:58.31 | le_mackeux | i'll give it a shot, right away |
| 03:58.45 | abrotman | le_mackeux: blame canada .. |
| 03:58.51 | treyh0 | Caelumm cool |
| 03:58.59 | treyh0 | oops, s/m /, |
| 03:59.03 | le_mackeux | y? |
| 03:59.08 | seeds | it needs libswt-gtk-3.1-java |
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| 03:59.21 | seeds | which needs some others and the lists goes on |
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| 04:00.56 | seeds | is there a repository where i can get all the dependencies? |
| 04:01.24 | Caelum | seeds: that's what apt-get is for |
| 04:01.37 | ss9 | I get an error when I login from console |
| 04:01.57 | seeds | yea but am still not getting all |
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| 04:02.09 | abrotman | le_mackeux: sorry .. bad joke |
| 04:03.06 | Caelum | seeds: what does apt-get install azureus say? |
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| 04:03.48 | Detox | question <<<<<<<< what can I use to accessa hidden partition? |
| 04:04.01 | Detox | question <<<<<<<< what can I use to access a hidden partition? |
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| 04:04.06 | Caelum | Detox: linux doesn'tt care about hidden partitions |
| 04:04.12 | seeds | depends on libswt-gtk-3.1-java |
| 04:04.21 | seeds | it is not installed |
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| 04:04.24 | ss9 | how do I copy paste with mouse in console? |
| 04:04.25 | Detox | I know,, but there is stuff on it I can use |
| 04:04.37 | Detox | it si an HP machine |
| 04:04.41 | Detox | and the system restore is there |
| 04:04.44 | seeds | this depends on another file that depends maybe on 6more etc |
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| 04:05.22 | Detox | and I would like to get the Win XP isntall files ass well as all the drivers for the machine |
| 04:05.38 | abrotman | why? .. you're in linux |
| 04:05.44 | Caelum | Detox: cfdisk -P s /dev/hda |
| 04:05.45 | Detox | dont want to pay $25 from HP |
| 04:06.00 | Caelum | ss9: install gpm |
| 04:06.22 | Detox | now,, waht does that command do? |
| 04:06.34 | ss9 | Reading Package Lists... |
| 04:06.34 | ss9 | Building Dependency Tree... |
| 04:06.35 | ss9 | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 04:06.35 | ss9 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:06.35 | ss9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:06.37 | Caelum | seeds: does apt-get install libswt-gtk-3.1-java work? |
| 04:06.51 | seeds | k lemme try that |
| 04:06.54 | Caelum | Detox: prints the partition table |
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| 04:07.14 | ss9 | oops wrong channel sorry |
| 04:07.30 | seeds | no |
| 04:08.00 | seeds | it is not available |
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| 04:08.08 | Detox | how will printing it help? I know it is there is listed as hda-1 |
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| 04:09.25 | Caelum | Detox: you can mount it, for example, mkdir /winxp; mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /winxp # edit /etc/fstab to make it mount at boot |
| 04:09.25 | litage | can the apple cinema display be used with x/x.org? |
| 04:09.42 | ss9 | I keep getting warnings about locale settings |
| 04:09.52 | ss9 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed |
| 04:09.55 | Caelum | litage: it's just a monitor, afaik. And a very slow flickery one at that... |
| 04:10.00 | jediborger | Are there any other programs in Debian that I can use to detect my network setting other than DSL/PPOE config? |
| 04:10.32 | litage | Caelum: yeah but the 30-inch requires a special video card with 2 outputs, or 2 video cards |
| 04:10.44 | epsilon | jediborger: you mean DHCP? |
| 04:10.50 | jediborger | yeah |
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| 04:11.00 | Detox | ok,, now I am not trying to be dumb here ,,, you are saying I can change a hidden partition so I can access it? |
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| 04:11.02 | epsilon | install the DHCP client |
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| 04:11.17 | jediborger | is that one of the other packages? |
| 04:11.46 | le_mackeux | abrotman: I did what you told me 2 |
| 04:11.57 | abrotman | and ? |
| 04:12.08 | le_mackeux | abrotman: no luck |
| 04:12.13 | abrotman | really ? |
| 04:12.29 | le_mackeux | The system is fine on the install machine but on the running machine, :( |
| 04:12.38 | ss9 | "udev requires a kernel >=2.6.12, upgrade aborted" |
| 04:12.41 | abrotman | what does it do? did you try a 2.4 and 2.6 ? |
| 04:12.53 | ss9 | abrotman: how do I upgrade my sarge kernel to the etch kernel? |
| 04:13.05 | abrotman | ss9: install the newest 2.6 kernel you can that's in etch |
| 04:13.09 | ss9 | cat: invalid option -- a |
| 04:13.10 | ss9 | Try `cat --help' for more information. |
| 04:13.14 | le_mackeux | I can read uncompressing ..... the underneet it safeboot and boot then the machine reboot |
| 04:13.14 | treyh0 | abrotman: i should use experimental to get suspend2, right? |
| 04:13.17 | ss9 | Linux knight 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Thu May 19 17:27:55 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:13.20 | abrotman | uhm .. i wouldn't |
| 04:13.37 | jediborger | ok so what program do I run to use the DHCP client? |
| 04:13.38 | abrotman | ss9: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 04:13.38 | ss9 | abrotman: how do I do that from the console? I've always done it through synaptic |
| 04:14.03 | abrotman | ss9: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 04:14.28 | seeds | ss9 u type that in the console |
| 04:14.41 | treyh0 | i dont get why there is a hibernate package that requires suspend 2 which is not available unless you use experimental |
| 04:14.43 | ss9 | abrotman: see #flood for error |
| 04:14.57 | psychonate | Can someone recommend a decent portable audio player that plays nicely with *nix and supports at least mp3 and vorbis (FLAC would be a nice bonus)? |
| 04:15.10 | treyh0 | and i dont get why there is no ndiswrapper-modules so i cant install ndiswrapper-utils |
| 04:15.13 | treyh0 | dang its like broken |
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| 04:15.41 | Caelum | Detox: to linux, hidden partitions are the same as non-hidden partitions |
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| 04:16.23 | seeds | xmms is a good audio player |
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| 04:16.52 | le_mackeux | Does someone can tell me y is debian takes more time to install the a no-stage gentoo |
| 04:17.16 | treyh0 | le_mackeux: cuz a no-stage gentoo is a bootable install cdrom and thats all? |
| 04:17.18 | Detox | ok,, then the command i would use would be : cfdisk -P s /dev/HDA-1 |
| 04:17.31 | le_mackeux | lol tryh0 |
| 04:17.49 | Detox | plz notice the hda-1 and not hda1 |
| 04:18.13 | le_mackeux | The no-stage gentoo needs to compile bootstrap, system and kernel on a pentium 1. It tool ke less time the now that i'm trying to install debian on the same machine |
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| 04:18.39 | ss9 | when I login from console I'm getting several errors. |
| 04:18.44 | treyh0 | i think if my fiance knew how much i love debian she'd be jealous |
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| 04:20.00 | g3brown | Does running an gui (xserver) take away performance of the system? i.e. A webserver with a gui running? |
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| 04:20.48 | treyh0 | not really unless u are actively using X |
| 04:20.50 | ss9 | When I login from console I'm getting several errors, please see #flood |
| 04:20.51 | treyh0 | g3brown |
| 04:21.05 | treyh0 | just ram, which will get swapped if not used |
| 04:22.10 | g3brown | treyh0: That brings another question to mind. I've read were some turn off swap on their systems to help performance. |
| 04:22.24 | treyh0 | turn off swap if you want system crashes |
| 04:23.03 | g3brown | treyh0: no swap = bad |
| 04:23.10 | treyh0 | yep |
| 04:23.10 | Duelist | actually running out of swap hasn't caused an outright crash for me, the system just became very unresponsive for a long time |
| 04:23.11 | CompWizrd | i'm still trying to figure out how i can get grepmail to work with a mailfile I have.. i have a gig of ram and 2 gig swap, and it complainsabout running out of memory :) |
| 04:23.20 | Duelist | on other operating systems it can however |
| 04:24.49 | bodhisattva | i dont use a swap on my MS OSes |
| 04:25.01 | g3brown | In other distros I can edit /etc/inittab and change it to start runlevel 3. Then just startx to get to gui. Debian seems to treat 2-5 the same. Is there a way to do that? |
| 04:25.16 | bodhisattva | i just make sure i have atleast 256Meg and the services configed(off) |
| 04:25.29 | amphi | g3brown: manually |
| 04:25.43 | bodhisattva | g3brown: can you elaborate |
| 04:25.50 | bodhisattva | i think your trying to do what i have done |
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| 04:26.07 | g3brown | bodhisattva: you don't use swaps with Debian? |
| 04:26.19 | ss9 | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 04:26.23 | bodhisattva | i do in linux not im MS tho |
| 04:26.32 | ss9 | I get that error when I run apt-get update |
| 04:26.49 | g3brown | bodhisattva: I installed the GUI, but now I would like it to start in text and start the GUI manually. |
| 04:26.57 | seeds | can i remove a package manually without messing my system? |
| 04:27.07 | Caelum | ss9: that's just a warning, /msg dpkg apt-secure to find out how to check signatures |
| 04:27.09 | Detox | CAELUM >>>> Ok let me make sure I get this... visible (HDA1) or Hidden (HDA-1) does not matter to linux???? I can create mount point for it then type " mount +t NTFS /dev/hda-1 /winxp .... and tehn i can access it?? |
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| 04:27.29 | bodhisattva | g3brown: thats acctualy pretty easy |
| 04:27.42 | bodhisattva | leave init defualt @2 |
| 04:27.48 | Caelum | Detox: it's hda1, there's no -, and mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /winxp |
| 04:27.57 | amphi | tell g3brown about nodm |
| 04:28.08 | bodhisattva | and run 'rm /etc/rc2.d/???gdm' |
| 04:28.09 | amphi | !tell g3brown about nodm |
| 04:28.18 | bodhisattva | then reboot |
| 04:28.36 | ss9 | Caelum: it's saying "Go ahead and type your message"....what should I type? |
| 04:28.38 | bodhisattva | !tell bodhisattva about nodm |
| 04:28.43 | g3brown | amphi: that sounds like it removes the gui altogether? |
| 04:28.54 | Detox | I have the win xp accessed,, you are not understanding what I am asking ,,,, in qparted, it lists hda1 and hda-1 (defines it as hidden) |
| 04:29.00 | Caelum | ss9: what's saying that? |
| 04:29.04 | ss9 | gpg |
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| 04:29.15 | Detox | hda1 has win xp on it and boots |
| 04:29.17 | bodhisattva | g3brown: do what im sugesting |
| 04:29.19 | Caelum | ss9: why are you running gpg? |
| 04:29.21 | ss9 | Caelum: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4F368D5D ; gpg |
| 04:29.25 | Detox | hda 2 has linux on it |
| 04:29.25 | amphi | g3brown: no, just xdm or whatever; or you can use update-rc.d to remove the symlinks |
| 04:29.32 | bodhisattva | its what you wanna do i did that for a debian server worked great |
| 04:29.36 | Detox | hda3 is linux-swap |
| 04:29.43 | ss9 | Caelum: the /msg dpkg told me to do that so I don't receive messages anymore |
| 04:29.47 | Detox | hda-1 is "hidden" |
| 04:30.09 | ss9 | !tell Caelum apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 04:30.19 | ss9 | apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 04:30.32 | jediborger | Can anyone tell me what program to use for DHCP on Debian? |
| 04:31.09 | Caelum | ss9: you got the line chopped off it seems |
| 04:31.18 | Caelum | jediborger: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:31.41 | g3brown | amphi: I'm not sure what update-rc.d does. Could I just move /etc/rc3.d/S99gdm to /etc/rd3.d/K01gdm ? |
| 04:31.44 | ss9 | Caelum: what is the line supposed to be? |
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| 04:31.52 | ss9 | Caelum: /msg dpkg apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 04:31.57 | Detox | Caelum maybe I should stop back when I can paste the qparted screen here |
| 04:32.32 | Caelum | Detox: there's no such thing as hda-1, there's only hda1, it doesn't matter what that program says |
| 04:32.44 | amphi | g3brown: why not just delete it? |
| 04:32.51 | Detox | ok |
| 04:32.53 | Detox | thanks |
| 04:33.11 | g3brown | amphi: I don't know. And wouldn't it start in 2 anyway? |
| 04:33.14 | Caelum | ss9: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4F368D5D ; gpg --export 4F368D5D | sudo apt-key add - |
| 04:33.23 | bodhisattva | he g3brown |
| 04:33.50 | amphi | g3brown: depends on inittab |
| 04:33.51 | bodhisattva | when you boot to a runlevel.. everything in that rl's /rc?.d will start |
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| 04:33.59 | bodhisattva | like gdm |
| 04:34.15 | bodhisattva | just remove the link to S??gdm and reboot |
| 04:34.16 | deadcat | we all waiting for slim |
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| 04:34.24 | treyh0 | god linux is such a fucking pain in the ass |
| 04:34.26 | treyh0 | nothing just works |
| 04:34.26 | bodhisattva | all youll have to do is run startx when you want a gui |
| 04:34.32 | bodhisattva | its not hard.. |
| 04:34.44 | amphi | treyh0: heh |
| 04:35.11 | treyh0 | its like do i want nonstop bs with drivers or do i want nonstop bs with viruses and spyware |
| 04:35.15 | treyh0 | sigh,. |
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| 04:35.37 | deadcat | treyh0: try another OS |
| 04:35.37 | ss9 | Caelum: I typed that command exactly as you did, and when I apt-get update I still get the warning |
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| 04:35.56 | deadcat | treyh0: try osx |
| 04:35.59 | treyh0 | deadcat: ive used linux for over 10 years, and freebsd and openbsd and darwin (mac os x) |
| 04:36.00 | amphi | treyh0: perhaps plan 9 is for you ;) |
| 04:36.02 | bodhisattva | run 'rm /etc/rc2.d/???gdm' to get rid of the link and reboot *poof problem solved* |
| 04:36.03 | treyh0 | i'd rather use linux |
| 04:36.11 | treyh0 | oh yeah i tried plan 9 too, that was rough |
| 04:36.14 | deadcat | treyh0: maybe you should stop using computer then |
| 04:36.23 | treyh0 | i'd rather use linux, i just shouldn't use a computer |
| 04:36.24 | g3brown | bodhisattva: what if I want it back? |
| 04:36.26 | treyh0 | deadcat: exactly |
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| 04:36.47 | deadcat | treyh0: no really. sometimes its better to take a break. |
| 04:36.51 | ss9 | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 04:36.55 | bodhisattva | want what back this wont remove your gui |
| 04:37.03 | bodhisattva | it will just make it not start at boot |
| 04:37.07 | amphi | treyh0: what's brought on this lachrymosity? |
| 04:37.21 | treyh0 | amphi: i got a laptop and i can't even put it to "sleep" |
| 04:37.30 | deadcat | treyh0: hahah. |
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| 04:37.41 | treyh0 | its ridiculous |
| 04:37.47 | Caelum | ss9: you need to run apt-key add /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg as well |
| 04:37.50 | atp | i'm running etch, is there any reason NOT to upgrade to xserver-xorg? |
| 04:37.50 | amphi | treyh0: suspend to ram? what about suspend to disk? |
| 04:37.52 | bodhisattva | you can always run 'mv /etc/rc2.d/S??gdm /etc/rc2.d/gdm' and change it back if you want it to start at boot again |
| 04:37.53 | deadcat | treyh0: apple laptops sleep |
| 04:38.11 | treyh0 | deadcat: my last laptop was an apple, but it died a few months ago, i guess i was spoiled |
| 04:38.33 | treyh0 | amphi: i cant get it to work, but i havent tried suspend2 yet |
| 04:38.33 | deadcat | treyh0: ya. died? apple care must expired (= |
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| 04:38.45 | treyh0 | deadcat: yeah i had it for over 6 years |
| 04:38.49 | treyh0 | mm g4 400 :) |
| 04:38.55 | g3brown | bodhisattva: nevermind I see they are just links to other files. I could just link it back. |
| 04:38.57 | Caelum | treyh0: you can use swsusp, suspend2, and I think ACPI S3 sleep works. You can also use apm |
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| 04:39.09 | amphi | treyh0: swsusp works perfectly here - how do you attempt it? |
| 04:39.12 | treyh0 | Caelum: how do i sleep with apm? |
| 04:39.20 | deadcat | treyh0: nice nice. time to get a pbook ti |
| 04:39.37 | ss9 | Can anyone help me with some errors that are printed to the screen when I login to console please? |
| 04:39.50 | Dwonis | ss9: What kind of errors? |
| 04:39.52 | amphi | treyh0: echo disk > /sys/power/state does it for me here |
| 04:39.53 | Caelum | treyh0: you have to boot with acpi=off, install apmd, and then just apm --sleep |
| 04:39.57 | treyh0 | amphi: i installed powersaved but it just freezes when i run with -U |
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| 04:40.03 | treyh0 | Caelum: ooh... |
| 04:40.06 | ss9 | Dwonis: are you in #flood I can paste them there |
| 04:40.09 | deadcat | amphi: acpi for you. he wants apm |
| 04:40.23 | Thaiger | I'm trying to get a linksys WPC11 ver4 card to work with debian, I got some realtek modules compiled and loaded up, but when I plug-in the card dmesg doesn't show anything and I can't bring up wlan0. Any advice? |
| 04:40.25 | treyh0 | i dont care what i use, acpi or apm, i jsut want to sleep :/ |
| 04:40.32 | Caelum | :) |
| 04:40.44 | amphi | treyh0: do you have acpi support ATM> |
| 04:40.45 | amphi | ? |
| 04:40.51 | deadcat | treyh0: my ibook sleeps fine. longest run was 50 days (= |
| 04:40.52 | treyh0 | amphi: yeah |
| 04:41.00 | treyh0 | yeah my tibook worked perfectly |
| 04:41.02 | deadcat | i accidently let the bat go out )= |
| 04:41.10 | treyh0 | but i cant justify spending that kinda money again on one |
| 04:41.15 | treyh0 | so i got a regular compaq laptop heh |
| 04:41.26 | treyh0 | what a mistake. |
| 04:41.27 | deadcat | treyh0: its the laptop. (= crap ass x86 laptops |
| 04:41.28 | treyh0 | :( |
| 04:41.34 | treyh0 | yeah :( |
| 04:41.43 | amphi | treyh0: what happens if you do echo standby > /sys/power/state ? |
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| 04:42.06 | treyh0 | amphi: i did echo disk > /sys/power/state and the last thing i see is ACPI: PCI interrupt ..." and just sits there |
| 04:42.11 | treyh0 | lemme reboot and try standby |
| 04:42.16 | amphi | treyh0: or mem |
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| 04:42.37 | treyh0 | i guess part of my problem is im used to pmud on apple, this acpi is stuff is new to me |
| 04:44.08 | amphi | treyh0: you could perhaps get intel's dsdt compiler/decompiler, and see if your dsdt has errors, and if so try to fix them... |
| 04:44.25 | amphi | treyh0: which kernel, BTW? |
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| 04:45.36 | dotCOMmie | treyh0: use suspend2? |
| 04:45.39 | Caelum | hrm, gonna try this /sys/power/state thing |
| 04:46.00 | treyh0 | amphi: mem shut down, but wouldnt come back up (blank screen)... kernel is 2.6.12-1-amd64-generic |
| 04:46.03 | dotCOMmie | I installed suspend2 yesterday works nicely |
| 04:46.15 | treyh0 | i havent tried suspend2 yet, its not in apt so i am weary |
| 04:46.29 | treyh0 | dotCOMmie: you used experimental to install it? |
| 04:46.43 | dotCOMmie | treyh0: I ALWAYS compile my own kernels |
| 04:47.01 | amphi | treyh0: dunno - acpi works here on 2.6.11, but 2.6.14 breaks some things - dunno where the b0rkage was introduced |
| 04:47.14 | treyh0 | dotCOMmie: i used to when i used slackware but debian was a safe haven from that |
| 04:47.23 | treyh0 | amphi: hmmm, you use sarge? |
| 04:47.30 | amphi | treyh0: yeah |
| 04:47.43 | dotCOMmie | treyh0: its not like its hard or like you have to do it often |
| 04:48.04 | treyh0 | dotCOMmie: it is often for the # of computers i put debian on |
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| 04:48.12 | treyh0 | :( |
| 04:48.15 | dotCOMmie | ah |
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| 04:48.30 | amphi | treyh0: mem sleeping and hanging is a known problem, I don't know the workaround, but ISTR there is one |
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| 04:51.33 | treyh0 | thanks everyone for the support |
| 04:51.40 | treyh0 | :) |
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| 04:51.59 | treyh0 | if i ever figure it out i'll let you all know |
| 04:52.00 | treyh0 | hehe |
| 04:52.14 | treyh0 | otherwise just assume i've gone insane |
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| 04:54.23 | ludi | Hello. When I login at console, I get some "configuration error" messages printed |
| 04:54.40 | ludi | For example: configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator) |
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| 04:54.49 | ludi | And there are 5 other ones very similar |
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| 04:54.57 | Dwonis | ludi: ss9 had that same problem |
| 04:55.04 | ludi | Dwonis: I'm ss9 |
| 04:55.05 | marty | two problems |
| 04:55.13 | Dwonis | ludi. ah :) |
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| 04:55.16 | ludi | I just recompiled nvidia driver, now I'm back in gnome |
| 04:55.20 | ludi | :) |
| 04:55.27 | Dwonis | ludi: How familiar are you with apt?Are you familiar with apt? |
| 04:55.34 | ludi | Dwonis: sort of |
| 04:55.37 | ludi | I did apt-get install login |
| 04:55.39 | marty | one, does anyone know what i can do to make my "Debian Menus" feature work? |
| 04:55.40 | ludi | and it's already up-to-date |
| 04:55.50 | Dwonis | ludi: ok, did you do "apt-get update" first? |
| 04:55.54 | ludi | yep |
| 04:56.08 | Dwonis | ludi: ok. Is there any file like /etc/login.defs.dpkg-new or anything like that? |
| 04:56.30 | ludi | find / -name '*login.defs.dpkg-new*' -print |
| 04:56.33 | ludi | nothing found |
| 04:56.54 | ludi | /etc/login.defs |
| 04:56.54 | ludi | /etc/login.defs.dpkg-dist |
| 04:57.00 | ludi | /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/users/First/etc/login.defs |
| 04:57.01 | ludi | /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/users/1/etc/login.defs |
| 04:57.07 | ludi | /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/users/2/etc/login.defs |
| 04:57.07 | ludi | /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/users/3/etc/login.defs |
| 04:57.09 | Dwonis | /etc/login.defs.dpkg-dist |
| 04:57.18 | ludi | k what to do? |
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| 04:58.07 | ludi | find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/5312: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. |
| 04:58.17 | ludi | is that normal? |
| 04:59.07 | Dwonis | ludi: try this: cd /etc ; mv login.defs login.defs.dpkg-old ; cp login.defs.dpkg-dist login.defs |
| 04:59.09 | caphuso | ludi: ignorable |
| 04:59.17 | ludi | caphuso: k thx |
| 04:59.22 | marty | in the "Aplications" menu, there is an option at the bottom called "Debian Menu" every other time i've installed debian, this has had multiple menus under it that are verbose, this installation, there's nothing there |
| 04:59.47 | marty | how do i fix that? |
| 05:00.11 | ludi | Dwonis: no more errors! how did you know to do that? you are genius? |
| 05:00.53 | ludi | why is gnome 2.10 (debian etch) no longer has epiphany browser in Applications --> Internet ? |
| 05:01.00 | Dwonis | ludi: the *.dpkg-dist file is installed by the package manager when you get that message about configuration files changing, and you select 'No, leave it how it is' |
| 05:01.11 | ludi | Dwonis: smart. thanks |
| 05:01.15 | Dwonis | ludi: You just moved the login.defs file you had out of the way, and replaced it with the default one |
| 05:01.44 | Dwonis | ludi: note that if you had any special settings in the login.defs file (for example, if you have some tool that modifies it), they will no longer be active |
| 05:01.47 | ludi | Dwonis: I see how that works with the command you gave. Thanks, I see what you did but I never would have known to do that on my own. |
| 05:02.01 | ludi | Dwonis: I don't think I had anything special working with that file. |
| 05:02.13 | TraceGreen | Hello, how to unload usbcore? |
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| 05:02.38 | Dwonis | ludi: no sweat |
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| 05:06.49 | marty | and also, is anyone willing to tell me about the most effective/efficient way to stream audio over a local network?? |
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| 05:07.51 | ice_1963 | go look at shoutcast |
| 05:08.30 | marty | k |
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| 05:09.20 | ab9_ | how can I see a list of all the packages installed on my system? |
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| 05:09.41 | b14ck | pkg_info |
| 05:09.44 | ice_1963 | install synaptic |
| 05:09.45 | b14ck | /usr/sbin/pkg_info |
| 05:09.50 | b14ck | /usr/sbin/pkg_info | less |
| 05:10.04 | caphuso | ab9_: dpkg -l |
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| 05:10.13 | ab9_ | thanks a bunch |
| 05:10.18 | b14ck | Oops. |
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| 05:10.23 | b14ck | Thought this was #openbsd |
| 05:10.25 | b14ck | Sorry! |
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| 05:12.51 | tktkasdf | how can I fgure out what versio nfo X I'm running? |
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| 05:13.30 | dooder | Ubuntu RULEZ ! |
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| 05:13.42 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 05:14.23 | dotCOMmie | marty: also icecast and vlc |
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| 05:14.28 | ludi | What is the word processing application officially included in gnome 2.10? |
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| 05:15.32 | ice_1963 | how long will you run it when you have to pay for it |
| 05:18.15 | ab9_ | tktkasdf: dpkg -l x-window-system |
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| 05:19.16 | Sus3b0y | i have a simple question .... |
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| 05:21.07 | ludi | Video codec 'MS WMV 8 (win32)' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies |
| 05:21.10 | ludi | how do I add this? |
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| 05:23.09 | dotCOMmie | ludi: what app? |
| 05:23.31 | ludi | dotCOMmie: Totem on Gnome |
| 05:23.33 | xam | dotCOMmie: obviously mplayer ;) |
| 05:23.44 | xam | damn, wrong |
| 05:23.49 | dotCOMmie | ludi: check their manuals |
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| 05:24.04 | dotCOMmie | xam: he wouldnt have those problems with mplayer |
| 05:24.31 | dotCOMmie | ludi: also try #gnome they might better help you with gnome questions |
| 05:24.35 | xam | dotCOMmie: probably not. Depending on his platform |
| 05:24.54 | ludi | I'm using Totem with Gstreamer backend I believe |
| 05:24.58 | ludi | debian testing |
| 05:24.59 | ice_1963 | is mplayer in non-free? |
| 05:25.11 | xam | ice_1963: nope |
| 05:25.24 | dotCOMmie | ice_1963: mplayer is free but its codecs arent |
| 05:25.43 | ludi | I just want this to work with Totem + Gstreamer |
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| 05:25.58 | surfdue | hey |
| 05:26.01 | surfdue | is there a net install? |
| 05:26.07 | xam | ice_1963: it is not in debian because of possible patent issues, not license issues (as mplayer and most codecs are GPL/LGPL) |
| 05:26.11 | dotCOMmie | surfdue: yes |
| 05:26.30 | surfdue | can you please link me |
| 05:26.33 | ice_1963 | xam ok |
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| 05:26.41 | surfdue | im really pissed, 6 distros and my ati card wont work. |
| 05:26.47 | surfdue | i hope debian does the trick ;) |
| 05:26.53 | dotCOMmie | surfdue: stick with one and work it out |
| 05:26.59 | surfdue | ive tryed |
| 05:27.02 | surfdue | about one week per os |
| 05:27.10 | xam | surfdue I hope you are pissed off with ATI, not with linux |
| 05:27.10 | surfdue | now debian last choice before bsd move |
| 05:27.11 | dotCOMmie | doesnt ati supply proprietary drivers? |
| 05:27.16 | surfdue | corren xam |
| 05:27.19 | surfdue | correct* |
| 05:27.20 | ludi | How do I get AbiWord to open .odt files? |
| 05:27.28 | surfdue | yes they do, but they are all currupt |
| 05:27.33 | dotCOMmie | ludi: #gnome |
| 05:27.37 | dotCOMmie | surfdue: corrupt? |
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| 05:28.18 | dotCOMmie | surfdue: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 05:29.04 | dotCOMmie | surfdue: I doubt it'll help your problem just pick one distro and work on it.. just switching through every possible distro is the wrong approach |
| 05:29.05 | ludi | should I use gstreamer or xine with totem? |
| 05:29.08 | xam | brb |
| 05:29.48 | surfdue | well i think debian is the one to stick with |
| 05:29.53 | surfdue | since ive used debian for 2 years. |
| 05:29.58 | dotCOMmie | surfdue: good call d: |
| 05:30.03 | surfdue | =D |
| 05:30.42 | TheCollector | ludi: I'd go with gstreamer, but that's just my preference |
| 05:30.47 | surfdue | 500kb/s download |
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| 05:31.17 | surfdue | is there an ati installation page on debian faqs? |
| 05:33.13 | ludi | How do I install open document support for abiword? |
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| 05:36.21 | tktkasdf | how can I tell whether a library is a runtime or dev package? |
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| 05:36.47 | caphuso | tktkasdf: by checking if the package names end in -dev or not |
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| 05:38.01 | tktkasdf | so is /usr/lib/libXawM.so.1 <-- is that a runtime lib then? |
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| 05:38.56 | tktkasdf | I'm running DSL (debian based) it's killing me as I can almost do X dev; but I'm just missing one package |
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| 05:39.28 | tam | hi all, how can i tell procmail that my maildir file is $HOME/Maildir? i've changed my path etc but it's still delivering mail to /var/mail/tam when i use procmail but when i don't use it the mail gets delivered to $HOME/Maildir |
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| 05:40.25 | caphuso | tktkasdf: does this look like #damnsmalllinux to you? |
| 05:40.31 | tam | lol |
| 05:40.45 | tam | always the tact caphuso :P |
| 05:42.19 | tam | caphuso: don't suppose yer a procmail fiend? |
| 05:42.39 | caphuso | tam: make it create a log file |
| 05:43.19 | tktkasdf | caphuso, most helpful response ever |
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| 05:44.00 | tam | caphuso: cheers. i think i may have made one.. |
| 05:44.15 | dogmeat | are there any tools i can use to compare ifconfig Rx, Tx stats to tcpdump, and http access logs for the purpose of detecting a DDoS? |
| 05:44.53 | dogmeat | my server got slammed when it went into a live state |
| 05:45.22 | tam | caphuso: From Thomas.McLean@Sun.COM Thu Dec 15 05:32:00 2005 |
| 05:45.22 | tam | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.22 | tam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:45.42 | caphuso | tam: use "VERBOSE = on" too |
| 05:45.47 | tam | so i know for definate that it is getitng sent to /var/mail/tam i just need to find out why and change it to $HOME/Maildir |
| 05:45.48 | caphuso | and don't paste in here |
| 05:45.54 | tam | oops, sorry |
| 05:45.54 | ludi | when I login to gnome (debian testing) I get an error "No volume control elements and/or devices found." |
| 05:45.57 | EdLin | tktkasdf: if someone went to #redhat with a Mandrake question, would it be unhelpful to them to say "go to #mandrake"? |
| 05:46.27 | EdLin | (or whatever they're calling Mandrake nowadays) |
| 05:46.36 | caphuso | isn't it mandriva? |
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| 05:46.50 | EdLin | caphuso: did you say mandrivel? |
| 05:46.59 | tktkasdf | EdLin, i'm using DSL (which is debian based); and that was a generic deiban question (plus, I've tried #dsl already) |
| 05:47.24 | EdLin | !debian based |
| 05:47.24 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 05:47.36 | caphuso | tktkasdf: a generic debian question wouldn't be about a file that's not even in debian |
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| 05:48.06 | tktkasdf | !d-i |
| 05:48.06 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:48.12 | ludi | Would anyone please be able to help with my problem? (Debian Testing) Thanks. |
| 05:48.47 | tktkasdf | who sets what dpkg says ? |
| 05:48.55 | caphuso | tktkasdf: people |
| 05:49.13 | tktkasdf | caphuso, ur insight is amazing |
| 05:49.18 | EdLin | !ur |
| 05:49.19 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 05:49.34 | tktkasdf | in that case, since it's just opinions; I'll go ahead ask my questions here; and the two of you are free go /ignore me if you wish :-P |
| 05:49.49 | caphuso | tktkasdf: wanna bet? |
| 05:50.50 | EdLin | tktkasdf: ask your questions about DSL that don't have to do with Debian on their channel. |
| 05:50.53 | dotCOMmie | what is the procedure to makind special keys on the keyboard to do stuff ie make my fn+f5 (0xe0 0x30) increase volume under alsa |
| 05:51.38 | ludi | I have Debian (etch) and would like to ask a question, if anyone can help please. |
| 05:51.58 | EdLin | ludi: just ask |
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| 05:52.20 | ludi | When I login to gnome, I get this popup error dialogue box: "No volume control elements and/or devices found." |
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| 05:52.46 | tktkasdf | I'm compiling a C++ prog that uses OpenGL libraries; during the linking phase; I get stupid errors like: "blah blah blah: undefined reference to "XSetWMName" <-- how do I figure out which library is supposed to implement this function? |
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| 05:53.20 | tam | apt: well i've found it that it is locking /var/mail/tam i'll just need to figure out why now :) |
| 05:53.23 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, tam |
| 05:53.33 | sifi | should I avoid to use packages that is not on deb src (eg php5) through install them from another source(s)? |
| 05:53.42 | tam | s/apt/caphuso |
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| 05:54.54 | EdLin | !tell sifi -about php5 |
| 05:54.58 | Jeebus_ | Is it possible to burn a DVD without having any filenames truncated or changed (even if it uses characters ISO doesn't like or is really long)? |
| 05:55.18 | tam | JOLIET fs i think |
| 05:55.18 | caphuso | tam: because you don't want to have two things modifying /var/mail/foo at the same time |
| 05:55.22 | ludi | ok fine. I have another problem. When I open a video file with totem-gstreamer, I get this error: "Totem could not startup. Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist." |
| 05:55.24 | EdLin | sifi: sorry, not a good factoid |
| 05:55.40 | caphuso | Jeebus_: joliet and/or rockridge extension. man mkisofs |
| 05:55.41 | sifi | EdLin, dotdeb is stable |
| 05:56.00 | tam | caphuso: i understand that. but i don't know why it is locking /var/mail/tam in the first place when all my mail gets delivered to $HOME/Maildir to begin with if i don't invoke procmail |
| 05:56.11 | sifi | EdLin, but I wonder why php5 is not on the official sources |
| 05:56.16 | EdLin | sifi: yes, use dotdeb then - but be advised that we don't support unofficial repositories on this channel. |
| 05:56.19 | tam | i wonder if it could be a global procamil configuration |
| 05:56.19 | caphuso | tam: well, what did the logfile say? |
| 05:56.21 | xam | tktkasdf: what about 'man XSetWMName'? You'd find out it should be in /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 |
| 05:56.31 | EdLin | sifi: it wasn't ready/stable enough when Sarge was released. |
| 05:56.55 | sifi | EdLin, can I read when it's being released? |
| 05:56.59 | tam | caphuso: i'll paste in flood |
| 05:57.10 | EdLin | sifi: huh? |
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| 05:58.13 | caphuso | tam: uhm, what makes you think that the "locking" line would be more important than the "incomplete recipe" line? |
| 05:58.24 | sifi | EdLin, is there some site where I can read releasedates for the most wanted packages for the official repositories? |
| 05:58.39 | scarynetworkguy | ludi: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AudioVideo |
| 05:58.43 | tam | caphuso: because the incomplete recipe means i didn't fulfil the recipe so it got sent to /var/mail/ |
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| 05:59.10 | tam | caphuso: hence why i still wonder why it gets sent to there in the first place |
| 05:59.16 | EdLin | sifi: the stable distro is frozen and then released, with no new packages being added - bug fixes are all backported to the original version. |
| 05:59.30 | caphuso | tam: because that's the default you have set |
| 05:59.48 | EdLin | sifi: you want to run the stable distro on a server, however. |
| 06:00.38 | tam | caphuso: hmm, i know. but i can't find the setting anywhere. i guess i'll google or something. thanks for confirming my suspicions mate |
| 06:00.42 | sifi | EdLin, right, but PHP 5 must be released to the official rerepositories sometime for sarge? |
| 06:01.06 | ludi | scarynetworkguy: it was working before in sarge. after just upgrading to etch, it no longer works... |
| 06:01.09 | caphuso | tam: the variable is, rather unintuitively, called DEFAULT |
| 06:01.09 | EdLin | sifi: no, no new versions are added - only backported security fixes for existing versons. |
| 06:01.34 | EdLin | sifi: believe it or not in a production environment this is a Good Thing. |
| 06:01.40 | sifi | EdLin, hmm |
| 06:01.45 | ludi | scarynetworkguy: 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07 ) |
| 06:01.45 | ludi | 0000:00:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev |
| 06:01.51 | caphuso | tam: and put a newline between "* ^Subject.*test" and ".IN-testing" |
| 06:01.56 | sifi | EdLin, where can I read about this thing your'e telling me |
| 06:02.06 | EdLin | !releases |
| 06:02.06 | dpkg | hmm... releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 06:02.18 | ludi | modconf not found |
| 06:02.26 | ludi | how do I setup my soundcard in debian etch? |
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| 06:03.06 | ludi | scarynetworkguy: that faq is out-of-date I am thinking... |
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| 06:03.46 | sifi | EdLin, intresting, so php5 will be released on etch? |
| 06:04.04 | EdLin | !info php5 etch |
| 06:05.10 | JackieBrown | I did an upgrade and my 2.6-14.4 kernel got upgraded to 2.6.14.5. now it won't boot |
| 06:05.24 | JackieBrown | I get waiting for /sys/block/hda/dev to show up then / /no such file or directory |
| 06:05.29 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 06:05.43 | EdLin | sifi: ^^ |
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| 06:06.06 | JackieBrown | I don't think it is a udev problem because 2.6.12 still boots |
| 06:06.06 | shad0w1e | Hi. I'm running a custom-compiled kernel with no USB support and now I want to add USB as a kernel module. How can I approach that? |
| 06:06.15 | EdLin | sifi: be advised though that etch is in very bad shape now, don't run it on a server. |
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| 06:06.48 | shad0w1e | ey if it runs linux, its a SERVER!! |
| 06:07.05 | EdLin | shad0w1e: if it runs PHP, it often is a server |
| 06:07.07 | sifi | EdLin, I know, so I have to run dotdeb souce to install php5 until etch is being released in say 2 years |
| 06:07.09 | SimonRaven | o_O |
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| 06:07.22 | EdLin | sifi: unfortunately, that's probably the case. |
| 06:07.24 | shad0w1e | so anyone know how I can add usb support in as a kernel module ? |
| 06:07.25 | tam | caphuso: that worked perfectly adding the line. thank you mate. really appreciated. was sitting here for ages trying to figure out why it was like that :) |
| 06:07.26 | sifi | EdLin, this was a big news for me |
| 06:08.04 | EdLin | sifi: instead of running PHP, run Perl, Ruby, or Python. ;-) |
| 06:08.16 | eeyore- | EdLin: nothing wrong with php ... |
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| 06:08.34 | sifi | EdLin, Problably or is? just wanna make sure, but as you said no packages is being added to a stable dist |
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| 06:08.46 | sifi | EdLin, I'm running Perl to so |
| 06:08.47 | beoba | 8D |
| 06:09.08 | EdLin | sifi: that's the case, no new packages are added to stable. |
| 06:09.20 | sifi | EdLin, heh |
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| 06:10.26 | EdLin | eeyore-: well, he wants to run PHP5 without 3rd party repos or non-stable Debian. If he needs OOP or whatever is in PHP5 that makes it better, perhaps he should look for alternatives. :-) |
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| 06:10.43 | ludi | is sound broken in etch? |
| 06:10.44 | tam | caphuso: you won't believe it. the test now goes to the correct place but all my other mail goes to /var/mail/tam. i'll figure it out later heh |
| 06:10.59 | eeyore- | EdLin: i doubt he seriously needs php5 over, say, php4 |
| 06:11.21 | EdLin | eeyore-: don't you know that old version numbers of programs cause bit rot? |
| 06:11.48 | sifi | EdLin, I am runnning Sarge just so you know |
| 06:11.51 | eeyore- | sifi: name one feature in php5 you absolute have to have |
| 06:12.06 | sifi | eeyore-, I don't |
| 06:12.13 | bcc | does anyone know where i can get a laptop for around $1k without any os or with linux installed? |
| 06:12.26 | eeyore- | bcc: plenty of places sell cheap laptops now |
| 06:12.29 | sifi | eeyore-, the thing is that I want the possibility to use codex with PHP 5 codes |
| 06:12.36 | bcc | eeyore-: can't find anything |
| 06:12.46 | eeyore- | bcc: $1k is *easily* attainable these days. it's down to $400 where it gets interesting |
| 06:13.11 | bcc | eeyore-: care to show a link? i spent couple of hours looking for one. |
| 06:13.22 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: in what universe? and what arch? |
| 06:13.30 | bcc | i don't want to pay for windows license if i'm not using it, and they all seem to sell then with windows pre-installed |
| 06:13.43 | bcc | and those that sell with linux charge at least $1500 for a basic model |
| 06:13.54 | eeyore- | bcc: http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?page=proframe&prod_id=1624279 |
| 06:14.16 | ludi | how do I play Video codec 'MS WMV 8 (win32)' in Totem-Xine |
| 06:14.24 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: this universe :-) averatec for example makes cheap laptops ... athlons |
| 06:14.54 | bcc | eeyore-: i'm looking for something with 512M RAM and around 1.5GHz CPU. |
| 06:14.57 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: hi BTW :) |
| 06:15.08 | bcc | i can find models with windows installed at that price, but i don't want to pay for it |
| 06:15.23 | SimonRaven | i can totally empathise |
| 06:15.47 | eeyore- | bcc: you asked for a link, i gave you one :-) do some work on overstock.com, or look at, e.g., bizrate |
| 06:16.04 | bcc | eeyore-: i checked those sites out a while ago |
| 06:16.06 | eeyore- | bcc: i gave you a brand name ... averatec. they usually have a cheap model based on athlon out |
| 06:16.14 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: hi :-) |
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| 06:16.37 | eeyore- | bcc: http://www.bizrate.com/marketplace/search/search__cat_id--462,prod_id--352487969.html |
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| 06:17.22 | SimonRaven | hi jm_ |
| 06:17.36 | bcc | eeyore-: all those places sell with windows preinstalled |
| 06:17.48 | bcc | which means i'll be throwing about $100-200 away |
| 06:18.03 | cahoot | 10-20 more likely |
| 06:18.09 | ludi | does anyone know if this source is still okay to use? deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 06:18.10 | eeyore- | bcc: no, more like $30 |
| 06:18.12 | bcc | it's not a matter of finding a model for $1k, but finding one without windows installed on it. |
| 06:18.16 | eeyore- | bcc: that's the OEM cost |
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| 06:18.25 | eeyore- | bcc: quit bitching |
| 06:18.27 | jm_ | mornin' |
| 06:18.33 | shad0w1e | how do I start up a module? |
| 06:18.41 | TheCollector | modprobe <name> |
| 06:18.46 | shad0w1e | dassit? |
| 06:18.50 | bcc | Averatec look to gay for my taste |
| 06:18.52 | shad0w1e | will it come on next time I reboot ? |
| 06:18.56 | TheCollector | shad0w1e: for the kernel, yeah |
| 06:18.59 | TheCollector | no |
| 06:19.02 | eeyore- | bcc: ok now see ... you're just too picky |
| 06:19.07 | shad0w1e | how do I keep it on next time |
| 06:19.12 | jm_ | man modules |
| 06:19.14 | eeyore- | bcc: you want sexy, you have to pay |
| 06:19.20 | shad0w1e | add it to /etc/modules.conf , right |
| 06:19.28 | bcc | eeyore-: nah, no sexy. just with traditional orientation |
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| 06:19.37 | TheCollector | shad0w1e: yeah. looks like that's it |
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| 06:19.44 | shad0w1e | TheCollector thankx |
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| 06:20.16 | bcc | really, what man would want to have something like this? http://www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/enlarged/are/EC.ARE.3715EH1.CN.WGC.JPG |
| 06:20.20 | bcc | gayness at it's best |
| 06:20.30 | beoba | ? |
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| 06:20.34 | bcc | not that there is anything wrong with it, but i don' |
| 06:20.42 | bcc | t want my laptop to be that way |
| 06:20.49 | eeyore- | bcc: please continue to stay in the closet. we worship your manliness. |
| 06:21.08 | beoba | gay would be something from bed, bath, and beyond, dear |
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| 06:21.25 | beoba | circuit city does not yet qualifyy |
| 06:21.27 | beoba | -y |
| 06:21.28 | bcc | beoba: actually, gay as in queer is exactly that |
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| 06:21.32 | bcc | and not what you pervs thought |
| 06:21.32 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 06:21.56 | beoba | bcc is the local authority |
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| 06:22.05 | bcc | local to whome? |
| 06:22.12 | mrnull | Is there any easy way to upgrade to firefox 1.5 on etch? |
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| 06:22.23 | beoba | his fixation has led him to being an expert on the subject of gayness |
| 06:22.25 | beoba | or her i spose |
| 06:22.54 | TheCollector | eeyore-: what kinda jeep? |
| 06:23.00 | eeyore- | TheCollector: KJ |
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| 06:23.24 | TheCollector | hey, at least it's old enough you can take it out for some fun |
| 06:24.04 | eeyore- | TheCollector: old? '05 KJ :-) (liberty, btw) |
| 06:24.10 | bcc | oh yeah, i forgot the wallmart! yey! i'm expert on rednecks as well. |
| 06:24.14 | bcc | gay rednecks. lol |
| 06:24.26 | eeyore- | but yeah, i do take it out. too bad i made one stooopid mistake last weekend |
| 06:24.34 | TheCollector | eeyore-: oh, right - I mistook KJ for YJ |
| 06:24.37 | TheCollector | sorry |
| 06:24.46 | TheCollector | eeyore-: what happened? |
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| 06:25.20 | liable | haha, get him "seebaz.." |
| 06:25.25 | eeyore- | buddy had a flop on the trail, so we all rushed out to help him. i rushed and didn't remember the rock that was there on the way in, drove over it and came down hard on it (rock was like /\ this) and it split my rear bumper cover :-p |
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| 06:25.49 | eeyore- | buddy was on the TJ and tried to avoid a big rock, and flopped. oops. |
| 06:26.10 | TheCollector | ouch |
| 06:27.04 | bcc | is there any site that lists various laptops and how well they work with linux? |
| 06:27.06 | eeyore- | heh. first i heard a loud *bang*. got out to look and didn't see anythign wrong. gas tank skid had a little dent. felt the tow hook and found a little scrape. no biggie right? then i saw ... hey, how come my license plate is hanging down sideways? :-) |
| 06:27.18 | liable | !laptop |
| 06:27.19 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 06:27.25 | eeyore- | bcc: "walmart" laptops, comes with linux. or, is it kmart? |
| 06:27.47 | bcc | eeyore-: don't know. too much red-state-gayness for me :) |
| 06:28.06 | bcc | liable: thanks |
| 06:28.11 | EdLin | eeyore-: walmart sells some dekstop at least with it, but they only sell it online, not in their stores. |
| 06:28.20 | EdLin | desktop* |
| 06:28.32 | liable | ?? |
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| 06:29.22 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: i hope you don't drive that suv in the city. i'd have to go over and spike your tires or something :P |
| 06:29.40 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: you have to come to california ;-) |
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| 06:29.53 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 06:30.36 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: it's handy, though. sometimes there are stupid lines at the local in&out burger joints and i just drive over one of those concrete planters (those diamon-shaped things) easy. got some looks, but wtf, you're blocking me :-) |
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| 06:30.48 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: seriously though, be better if you drove something small. you'd save a lot, and pollute less in the city |
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| 06:31.06 | SimonRaven | and not piss off cyclists ;) |
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| 06:31.36 | ice_1963 | if you build it linux will come :0) |
| 06:31.49 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: well ... no sense buying two vehicles when one does everything i need it to do ... if i bought a econobox for the city, what am i gonna do for the trail? i used TJ? |
| 06:32.10 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: hiking? :) |
| 06:32.10 | surfdue | hey |
| 06:32.12 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: if i got a used TJ for the trail, it doesn't have room for the family to go with me, and i take 'em everywhere i wheel :-) |
| 06:32.30 | surfdue | i get an error when I try to start my xfree server with ati |
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| 06:32.33 | surfdue | instead of vesa |
| 06:32.43 | surfdue | how do i installed my ati accerators? |
| 06:32.45 | eeyore- | surfdue: /var/log/XFree86.*.log, what does it say near the end? |
| 06:32.57 | SimonRaven | surfdue: post x log somewhere, like paster |
| 06:33.18 | liable | SimonRaven: hippy! :) |
| 06:33.31 | surfdue | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 06:33.31 | surfdue | Fatal server error: |
| 06:33.31 | surfdue | no screens found |
| 06:33.39 | surfdue | it works hwen i use vesa |
| 06:33.44 | liable | !no screens found |
| 06:33.44 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 06:34.25 | surfdue | (EE) No devices detected. ? |
| 06:34.27 | caphuso | "(EE) No devices detected." is a useful message |
| 06:34.34 | jm_ | indeed |
| 06:34.45 | surfdue | i said that |
| 06:34.45 | surfdue | heh |
| 06:34.56 | surfdue | do i have to install ati graphics? |
| 06:35.00 | jm_ | surfdue: try /msg dpkg ati |
| 06:35.03 | surfdue | k |
| 06:35.04 | caphuso | surfdue: i'm criticising liable |
| 06:35.06 | caphuso | not you |
| 06:35.33 | surfdue | hm wth? |
| 06:35.39 | surfdue | oh |
| 06:35.40 | surfdue | ;) |
| 06:35.49 | jm_ | !tell surfdue -about enter |
| 06:35.53 | SimonRaven | liable: *shrug*. <2 cents>i just think that if you're to use a vehicle, use it wisely</2 cents>. here anyway, where it isn't as bad as it is in the u.s., you can get across town and back really cheaply and much less polluting than a vehicle. |
| 06:36.15 | surfdue | .. |
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| 06:36.30 | liable | SimonRaven: i wasnt having a go, i am actually almost a greenie at heart.. |
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| 06:37.04 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: "here" is where, europe? |
| 06:37.14 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: oh, canada ... |
| 06:37.26 | SimonRaven | (we have to fight for space sometimes though). some folks seem to think cyclists should go on the sidewalk. sidewalks are for pedestrians |
| 06:37.30 | SimonRaven | montreal |
| 06:37.39 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: well when i used to live in toronto i remember it had very good public transportation. but, ottawa sucked (still does?) |
| 06:37.41 | sifi | I have removed php5 and installed php4, restarted apache, but phpinfo.php says that I'm using PHP 5 (my old package), why? |
| 06:38.00 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: they have a nicer one now |
| 06:38.13 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: really? OCtranspo finally got booted? |
| 06:38.13 | surfdue | how do i remove mozilla suite in replacement of firefox? |
| 06:38.22 | xevious | what's the name for the little nubbin mouse things in laptop keyboards? |
| 06:38.30 | SimonRaven | still no subway, but it's still greener. though past mayors (current?) are allowing development in the green zone |
| 06:38.39 | Sneaky_Bastard | TrackPoint, if it's IBM |
| 06:38.43 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: no, just more routes, a bit more often |
| 06:38.46 | EdLin | xevious: you don't want to know |
| 06:38.47 | Sneaky_Bastard | generically - ForceStick |
| 06:38.51 | SimonRaven | still not great :/ |
| 06:38.54 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: ottawa public transporation was ... barbaric for lack of a better word. shelter outside, no heat anywhere, not even for subway stations ... such as it was |
| 06:38.58 | SimonRaven | i got around on bike there, too |
| 06:39.02 | xevious | EdLin: i'd like to |
| 06:39.11 | SimonRaven | or foot |
| 06:39.14 | Sneaky_Bastard | Force Stick is a little integrated ceramic strain gauge |
| 06:39.15 | EdLin | xevious: I've heard them called a 'clit' |
| 06:39.17 | sifi | Why is phpinfo show me that I'm using PHP5? I have removed php5 and installed php4, restarted apache. |
| 06:39.21 | SimonRaven | bus fare is nuts nowadays |
| 06:39.24 | Sneaky_Bastard | it senses the bending force in x-y |
| 06:39.25 | sifi | EdLin, |
| 06:39.41 | sifi | EdLin, any suggestions ^ |
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| 06:39.54 | ss9 | Does anyone know how I can edit my Applications menu? |
| 06:39.55 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: ottawa doesn't have subway right? more like dedicated bus lanes right? |
| 06:40.05 | EdLin | sifi: I've got no clue, I'm not a user of php at present. |
| 06:40.08 | Sneaky_Bastard | sifi: are you using Mod_PHP ? |
| 06:40.09 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: it's been soooooo long :-) |
| 06:40.10 | xevious | EdLin: i was gonna call it a nipple :) |
| 06:40.15 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: yeh, when we lived there it was pretty bad still. but seems they added stuff |
| 06:40.18 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: yup |
| 06:40.20 | Sneaky_Bastard | it would be whatever version of PHP mod_php was built with |
| 06:40.28 | xevious | EdLin: clit's better because it requires a delicate touch |
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| 06:40.37 | Sneaky_Bastard | xevious: it's a "force stick" |
| 06:40.40 | Sneaky_Bastard | trust me |
| 06:40.51 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: bikes are pretty popular in, say, amsterdam and germany :-) those hills suck, though |
| 06:40.56 | SimonRaven | we got some new subway cars here, a la NYC. with the wide open area in the middle. the old ones were put in for expo 67 ffs... |
| 06:40.57 | xevious | force stick |
| 06:40.58 | sifi | Sneaky_Bastard, not what I know, I installed php5 from the dotdeb repo long time ago and removed it now, installed php4 from the official repo |
| 06:40.59 | xevious | that's lame |
| 06:41.11 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: i'm a flatlander and when i had to bike up/down those hills ... heh |
| 06:41.41 | EdLin | I'm in NYC, it's got the best public transportation in the US, though that doesn't say much. |
| 06:41.42 | Bogaurd | how on earth can i set up virtualhosts for my subdomains? i've tried EVERY tutorial, nothing works - the virtualhosts just end up all having the same documentroot. anyone care to share some knowledge? |
| 06:41.57 | sifi | Snake-Eyes, the same thing happend when I removed mysql-server-4.1 and installed 5.0, phpinfo told me that I was using 4.1 |
| 06:41.59 | Sneaky_Bastard | Boguard: PM |
| 06:42.16 | Snake-Eyes | sifi, you lie :P |
| 06:42.25 | sifi | Snake-Eyes, nope |
| 06:42.32 | eeyore- | Bogaurd: in a nutshell, you want "namevirtualhost", and for each virtualhost, you need <virtualhost ...></virtualhost> and set documentroot in there |
| 06:42.34 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: heh. i don't mind hills much. i just stick it in the 'granny gears' ;) |
| 06:42.45 | shad0w1e | how do I get to the woody packages? the oldest packages I can seem to find are from sarge |
| 06:43.00 | Bogaurd | eeyore-: tried that.... give me a min, i'll brb |
| 06:43.04 | Snake-Eyes | sifi, me no sneaky_bastard :P |
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| 06:43.34 | ss9 | In Gnome, how can I edit my Applications menu? |
| 06:43.52 | sifi | ss9, how do you want to edit it? |
| 06:43.55 | shad0w1e | ss9: Menu: Logout, on session screen: choose session: KDE |
| 06:44.18 | ss9 | sifi: I want to add epiphany entry in Applications --> Internet |
| 06:44.33 | ss9 | sifi: I want to add AbiWord entry in Applications --> Office |
| 06:44.47 | ss9 | I want to remove a duplicate Quake3 entry in Applications --> Other |
| 06:44.49 | shad0w1e | anyone know where I can find all the woody packages online ?? |
| 06:44.52 | sifi | ss9, why, use Alt+F2 and print epi(tab) |
| 06:45.01 | ss9 | and I want to completely remove a menu item Applications --> TransGaming |
| 06:45.48 | ss9 | sifi: ... |
| 06:45.51 | EdLin | shad0w1e: put "woody" or "oldstable" in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:45.53 | sifi | ss9, forgett about the menu thing, it's to mutch work with the time |
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| 06:46.09 | sifi | ss9, have you tried Alt+F2? |
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| 06:46.14 | xevious | secondary mice go in as "AlwaysCore" in xorg.conf? |
| 06:46.26 | ss9 | sifi: Alt + F2 is cool thanks. But I still want to fix my menu. |
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| 06:46.57 | xevious | hope so |
| 06:46.58 | surfdue | how doi know is my ati accel is working now? |
| 06:47.02 | surfdue | i forget the command |
| 06:47.10 | sifi | ss9, not when you're used to hit Alt+F2, belive me |
| 06:47.10 | surfdue | to see what drivers you use, vesa or ati |
| 06:47.17 | ss9 | ... |
| 06:47.33 | TheCollector | surfdue: glxinfo? |
| 06:47.34 | ss9 | you say tomat-o I say tom-a-to |
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| 06:47.58 | sifi | ss9, I said Tomato |
| 06:48.07 | eeyore- | i say lime juice |
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| 06:48.30 | sifi | eeyore-, however, I say grapefruit |
| 06:48.35 | sifi | thats it |
| 06:48.53 | xevious | got it |
| 06:48.54 | xevious | :) |
| 06:48.56 | xevious | g'night folks |
| 06:49.03 | ss9 | Does anyone know of package "smeg" or "alacarte" for gnome menu editing? |
| 06:49.25 | eeyore- | smeg? sounds disgusting ... smegma? |
| 06:49.40 | sifi | ss9, gconftool-2 |
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| 06:50.58 | ss9 | sifi: gconftool-2 to edit menu? |
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| 06:51.38 | sifi | ss9, Don't know, try it, you can add shorcuts etc so why not |
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| 06:52.24 | sifi | ss9, gconftool-2 is pretty wide to handle customizations |
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| 06:59.01 | shad0w1e | where is a USB printer, as far as in the filesystem ? |
| 07:00.18 | sifi | I have removed php through apt but phpinfo tell me that I'm using PHP Version 5.1.1-1.dotdeb.2, how is this possible? |
| 07:01.03 | jm_ | ask dotdeb people, these are not standard Debian packages |
| 07:01.39 | sifi | jm_, the same thing happend with mysql-server when I upgraded, phpinfo told me that I was using the old version |
| 07:01.50 | sifi | jm_, the old v of mysql-server* |
| 07:02.27 | jm_ | sifi: upgrading mysql server doesn't mean that mysql client gets upgraded automatically - you can have several client versions installed at the same time (AFAIK anyway) and PHP MySQL module is tied to one of them |
| 07:03.02 | jm_ | either way, check Apache config and find out where it loads PHP module from |
| 07:03.15 | rafx | whee! - http://www.backports.org/pending/linux-2.6/ |
| 07:04.02 | deadcat | jm_: experienced in bind9? |
| 07:04.24 | jm_ | deadcat: not really |
| 07:04.29 | deadcat | k |
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| 07:06.33 | shad0w1e | how do I print in console ? |
| 07:06.40 | sifi | jm_, where can I find out the php module in httpd.conf i linux? |
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| 07:08.26 | soukihei | how can I implement icons on my desktop with fluxbox? Can I somehow use gnome, but keep fluxbox as my main wm? |
| 07:09.09 | Eclipser | soukihei, I've never tried it but it should be possible to use gnome on top of fluxbox |
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| 07:09.47 | eeyore- | souk: i would run gnome, open a terminal, kill metacity, start fluxbox, and save session |
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| 07:10.52 | SimonRaven | you'll need to kill metacity from the session properties. then run fluxbox |
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| 07:11.01 | jm_ | sifi: it's in modules.conf |
| 07:11.09 | Eclipser | he got disconnected :p |
| 07:11.22 | SimonRaven | doh! |
| 07:11.37 | Eclipser | was it KDE then which used some fish as wm? |
| 07:11.54 | SimonRaven | gnome. sawfish |
| 07:12.03 | Eclipser | uhm |
| 07:12.03 | eeyore- | Eclipser: that was a long time ago |
| 07:12.08 | eeyore- | Eclipser: it's metacity now |
| 07:12.10 | Eclipser | aha |
| 07:12.20 | Eclipser | well I haven't used gnome since redhat 6.2 |
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| 07:16.17 | sifi | jm_, I have /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so but not for apache 1.3 (used find / -name "libphp4.so") |
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| 07:17.40 | jm_ | sifi: are you using apache 1.3 or 2.0? |
| 07:17.51 | sifi | jm_, 1.3 |
| 07:17.57 | jm_ | sifi: so install the package then |
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| 07:18.20 | sifi | jm_, i have php4 and apache |
| 07:18.42 | jm_ | sifi: you don't, otherwise you would have /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so ... |
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| 07:18.56 | Pego | hi |
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| 07:19.43 | Pego | is use evms for soft raid and i lost a disk 3 hour ago and my my box is out because my log are huge. |
| 07:19.44 | Pego | raid1: dm-6: rescheduling sector 40636992 |
| 07:19.44 | Pego | raid1: dm-6: redirecting sector 40636992 to another mirror |
| 07:19.44 | sifi | jm_, I have, check: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RaxpJN60.html |
| 07:20.04 | Pego | those line make krnel.log and syslog. be 2Go where can i desactivate that |
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| 07:20.14 | jm_ | sifi: no, that's not the package name |
| 07:20.17 | Pego | disable the thing he write log like that |
| 07:20.37 | jm_ | Pego: stop syslogd? |
| 07:20.39 | sifi | jm_, ? what is it then |
| 07:20.46 | jm_ | sifi: apt-cache search php apache |
| 07:21.11 | jm_ | bbl |
| 07:21.51 | Pego | jm_: it's a good idea to stop log ? :/ |
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| 07:22.59 | litage | is it possible to get apt to download packages from an rpm repository? |
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| 07:24.16 | eeyore- | good night |
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| 07:25.50 | valdyn | litage: that excellent way to fuck up your system isnt supported |
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| 07:26.38 | SimonRaven | Pego: logrotate |
| 07:26.44 | Greek-Boy | I'm trying to install spamassasin which requires certain perl modules/libs. I used apt-get to install this but spamassasin won't install because it doesn't recognize that those packages are installed. I tried removing them and reinstalling them with apt-get but that didn't work either. Any ideas? |
| 07:27.15 | mage | really depends on how spamassasin looks |
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| 07:27.46 | Pego | SimonRaven: i have moved them but the probleme still here and it wil continue to write in the log :( |
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| 07:28.24 | SimonRaven | install logrotate. cut down on the logging |
| 07:28.29 | Greek-Boy | mage, i've got no clue |
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| 07:29.03 | mage | hmmm installing vs compiling? |
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| 07:29.32 | atp | hi folks, i'm running etch on i386. just did a dist-upgrade, and am now getting glibc detected malloc memory corruption errors from mozilla-firefox and mozilla |
| 07:29.33 | Greek-Boy | so I have to compile each package |
| 07:29.40 | atp | anyone else seen this problem? |
| 07:29.51 | mage | wait a sec, the site says spamassassin is in apt |
| 07:30.07 | litage | valdyn: hahah |
| 07:30.12 | atp | the firefox process does not crash, but nothing visible happens (no browser window, etc) |
| 07:30.15 | mage | I guess the version there is too old? |
| 07:30.23 | Pego | SimonRaven: i have logrotate |
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| 07:32.33 | SimonRaven | Pego: 'cut down on the logging': turn up the level, or send the logs over encrypted conn. to some host with more space |
| 07:32.52 | Pego | turn up the level ? |
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| 07:33.47 | Greek-Boy | i'll look for the perl packages and compile them manually, that should take care of the problem |
| 07:34.16 | atp | does anyone know anything about this mozilla-firefox memory corruption thing? |
| 07:37.10 | jm_ | Pego: not usually, but if you have no other option stop it for a little while, or send logs to a remote machine, like SimonRaven said |
| 07:37.34 | SimonRaven | Pego: instead of 'info' put it at 'warning' or such. |
| 07:40.10 | SimonRaven | man facility; man syslogd |
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| 07:46.08 | justnulli | how do i load a raid driver when i install debian so that debian will see the hd? |
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| 07:49.26 | atp | sigh |
| 07:49.43 | atp | i hate when this sort of shit happens |
| 07:50.11 | deadcat | is there a way for me to redirect all http request to http://192.168.0.1 ? say if they go somesite.com/path/to/some.html it will go to http://192.168.0.1 |
| 07:50.50 | fireba11 | deadcat: of course .. just use mod_rewrite |
| 07:51.33 | Guerin | deadcat: you're wasting a huge amount of time on this |
| 07:51.48 | deadcat | fireba11: that would be apache? i am thinking thttpd |
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| 07:52.19 | fireba11 | deadcat: well since i don't know your whole setup its hard to give good hints |
| 07:52.20 | deadcat | Guerin: )=. i am currently using apache+bind9+udhcpd+iptables to do the job. works. but too much heavyweight softwares. |
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| 07:53.08 | deadcat | fireba11: i want to setup a fake wireless network. when they get an ip from my AP. and then thy try to go blah.com/blah.html. it will point to the server 192.168.0.1/ |
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| 07:55.26 | fireba11 | then why don't you just use iptables to redirect everything to that box ? |
| 07:55.32 | bucky | deadcat, what are you doing.. re-inventing nocat ? |
| 07:55.44 | deadcat | bucky: nocat dont work. |
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| 07:55.57 | bucky | yes it does.. i've used it |
| 07:55.59 | deadcat | oh |
| 07:56.02 | deadcat | let me try again. |
| 07:56.06 | deadcat | link me please hehe |
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| 07:56.12 | bucky | get the live cd for it |
| 07:56.16 | deadcat | what |
| 07:56.25 | bucky | one sec |
| 07:56.32 | deadcat | i just want to do it on my laptop. i dont want no live cd to just do something that simple |
| 07:57.07 | deadcat | fireba11: how would i do that with iptables? currently i am redirecting all traffic to port 80 |
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| 07:59.28 | sebastian | hallo, hab folgendes problem auf meinem debian server: |
| 07:59.31 | sebastian | GRUB Loading stage1.5. |
| 07:59.35 | sebastian | GRUB loading, please wait... |
| 07:59.39 | sebastian | Error 17 |
| 07:59.45 | sebastian | kann mir jemand kurz helfen? |
| 08:00.04 | rage | Isnt there a German room? |
| 08:00.04 | atp | sebastian hier ist englisch #debian, kannst du englisch sprechen? |
| 08:00.14 | sebastian | erm, yes! |
| 08:00.23 | sebastian | i did something to my debian server and i cannot boot anymore |
| 08:00.24 | atp | :) |
| 08:00.30 | sebastian | GRUB Loading stage1.5. |
| 08:00.36 | sebastian | GRUB loading, please wait... |
| 08:00.40 | sebastian | Error 17 |
| 08:00.40 | deadcat | bucky: ? |
| 08:00.45 | sebastian | i need a qick fix for this... |
| 08:01.08 | atp | did you check the grub documentation? |
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| 08:01.24 | bucky | deadcat, http://www.publicip.net/ and here's a page of other ones |
| 08:01.33 | bucky | http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/PortalSoftware |
| 08:01.39 | atp | error 17 is not a lot of information, it's probably documented somewhere |
| 08:01.40 | sebastian | apt: no, should I do that?!? |
| 08:01.51 | atp | sarcasm right? |
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| 08:02.15 | jm_ | error 17 means GRUB is not able to mount selected partition |
| 08:02.41 | sebastian | jm_: and what should I do now? |
| 08:02.44 | bucky | deadcat, there's a honey pot app for wireless too... but i can't remember the name of it |
| 08:02.53 | jm_ | sebastian: check your configuration |
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| 08:03.13 | sebastian | jm_: ok |
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| 08:10.41 | deadcat | bucky: ya. nocatauth seems nice. let me compile it |
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| 08:11.43 | Pego | I use evms and it tellme that hde1 is degraded must i let it like that or i remove it from the raid1 ? |
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| 08:13.01 | deadcat | bucky: do i need apache bind or anything else for nocatauth to work? |
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| 08:13.26 | SimonRaven | !kill spambots |
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| 08:16.29 | bucky | deadcat, http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/NoCatAuthInstallationGuide |
| 08:17.30 | bucky | read it over.. for it to work like it's really supposed to.. you need real certificates.. it's well documented |
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| 08:18.23 | bucky | it's complicated and hard to get working... that's why i gave you the link to the live cd for an example |
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| 08:26.38 | Pego | thanks for all SimonRaven, jm_ |
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| 08:33.39 | deadcat | bucky: i get seg fault when i run checkinstall to build the nocatauth package |
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| 08:33.40 | deadcat | )= |
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| 08:36.44 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:36.45 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:37.49 | possie | does a boot partition need to be primary ? |
| 08:38.05 | deadcat | bucky: i am testing nocatsplash actually |
| 08:39.28 | EdLin | possie: no |
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| 08:40.38 | possie | EdLin: thanks |
| 08:40.44 | EdLin | yw |
| 08:41.35 | bucky | deadcat, i never used nocatsplash.. no idea |
| 08:41.51 | deadcat | getting seg fault on checkinstall |
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| 08:43.02 | Miesco | I used to be able to connect to my router... now it says eth1: Error -110 setting multicast list |
| 08:43.04 | Miesco | How come? |
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| 08:44.17 | Flimzy | is adding '--initrd' to the make-kpkg command line and adding initrd support to the kernel sufficient to use an initrd to boot? |
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| 08:45.21 | bucky | deadcat, i got an error with ./configure - for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no |
| 08:45.41 | sifi | can I execute a .gz file, how? |
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| 08:46.07 | tarzeau | sifi: ./the.gz |
| 08:46.07 | deadcat | bucky: it compiles. checinstall build fails |
| 08:46.08 | Flimzy | no |
| 08:46.18 | Flimzy | a .gz file is a compressed archive, not an executable |
| 08:46.23 | deadcat | bucky: see if you can get it running. |
| 08:46.24 | tarzeau | Flimzy: gzexe? |
| 08:46.27 | deadcat | no luck |
| 08:46.28 | bucky | checkinstall sucks sometimes |
| 08:46.39 | Flimzy | tarzeau: eh? |
| 08:46.48 | deadcat | bucky: i think its my hd |
| 08:46.53 | justnulling2 | what does this mean insmod: error inserting '3w-9xxx.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 08:46.54 | bucky | deadcat, i had it all running about two years ago.. i don't need it anymore |
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| 08:47.04 | tarzeau | Flimzy: we don't know what file his.gz says |
| 08:47.06 | deadcat | bucky: do you have to edit nocat.conf to get it running? can i use default settings? |
| 08:47.08 | tarzeau | Flimzy: it's just a filename |
| 08:47.17 | bucky | you have to edit it |
| 08:47.18 | tarzeau | Flimzy: i've got porno movies in /bin called rm |
| 08:47.29 | Flimzy | justnulling2: probably means the module is the wrong format |
| 08:47.48 | ski | how to start sshd ? |
| 08:47.51 | deadcat | tarzeau: oh ya? i have pornos in /usr/src/linux (= |
| 08:47.53 | Flimzy | tarzeau: If you're smart enough to rename an executable to .gz, then you're smart enough not to ask on this channel if it's executable |
| 08:48.07 | deadcat | tarzeau: make menuconfig && make porn |
| 08:48.09 | tarzeau | Flimzy: true |
| 08:48.11 | justnulling2 | flimzy how do i compile a kernel module so it will not give this error? |
| 08:48.24 | tarzeau | Flimzy: but people manage to isntall debian and can't start sshd |
| 08:48.34 | Flimzy | tarzeau: Those people aren't asking what .gz files are |
| 08:48.49 | Flimzy | justnulling2: Make sure you have module support, and elf support in the kernel |
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| 08:49.25 | peterS | kind of hard to get very far without elf support in the kernel |
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| 08:49.52 | justnulling2 | flimzy: does sarge have it by default? |
| 08:49.55 | Flimzy | peters: I suppose that's true |
| 08:49.59 | Flimzy | justnulling2: yea |
| 08:50.00 | ski | and .. when i try '/usr/sbin/sshd', it just quits |
| 08:50.01 | EdLin | unless your executives are coff. :-) |
| 08:50.11 | EdLin | executables* |
| 08:50.16 | ski | hehe |
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| 08:50.23 | peterS | ski: normally it quits because it has launched a background process |
| 08:50.31 | justnulling2 | flimzy: so why does it complain then? |
| 08:50.33 | torc | does --unroll-loops do any good to the kernel? ;) |
| 08:50.39 | peterS | EdLin: what platforms does linux support coff executables on? |
| 08:50.39 | Miesco | peterS, do you know why I get this error: eth1: Error -110 setting multicast list |
| 08:50.42 | ski | peterS : but i can't see any such |
| 08:50.45 | Flimzy | perhaps I should mention that right now I'm not the best person to be asking about kernel problems |
| 08:50.48 | Flimzy | since I can't get mine working right now |
| 08:50.52 | EdLin | peterS: it used to not be elf |
| 08:50.58 | ivalladt | anyone tried cisco vpn client over 2.6.14? |
| 08:50.58 | deadcat | bucky: does nocat work without internet? |
| 08:51.07 | peterS | EdLin: I know but it was a.out ZMAGIC / QMAGIC, which are similar but not identical to coff |
| 08:51.22 | Miesco | peterS: What is multicast list? |
| 08:51.30 | EdLin | peterS: actually, it was a.out... sorry, they say that memory is the first to go. |
| 08:51.34 | peterS | EdLin: now linux / powerpc could conceivably support coff in an effort to support AIX 4.x binaries.... |
| 08:51.34 | ski | ('ps ax | grep ssh' just displays the grep) |
| 08:51.35 | Flimzy | justnulling2: Well.... because it's not the right format. But if you want a useful (i.e. non-Microsoft) answer... you'd need to provide more information |
| 08:51.45 | ski | (s/ssh/sshd/) |
| 08:51.59 | peterS | ski: right, check syslog (/var/log/syslog) to see if it failed to start and if so why |
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| 08:52.20 | ski | peterS : ok, ty for log path, will check .. |
| 08:52.29 | bucky | deadcat, no not really... |
| 08:52.31 | peterS | Miesco: I don't know why you'd get a failure to set a multicast list. that's a strange failure. |
| 08:52.48 | deadcat | bucky: its not running. did you make install? then run the rc.nocat script? |
| 08:52.57 | Miesco | peterS: Could it be me upgrading to 2.6? |
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| 08:53.08 | peterS | Miesco: did you compile the kernel yourself or is this a debian 2.6? |
| 08:53.16 | Miesco | Its debian |
| 08:53.23 | justnulling2 | flimzy: this is a driver for 3ware raid card: i got the source form thier website ran make and it created that.ko file but insmod gives -1, what am i doing wrong? |
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| 08:53.33 | peterS | Miesco: might be related, but I haven't heard of other people getting that failure with debian kernels |
| 08:53.41 | bucky | deadcat it allows users to authenticate and access the internet (eth0) thru your wireless card running in master mode |
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| 08:53.50 | Flimzy | justnulling: Ahh... hrm... I hate 3rd party kernel drivers. Are you sure there's not support in the kernel? |
| 08:54.02 | ski | peterS : see no msg there .. |
| 08:54.08 | deadcat | bucky: so its working for you now? |
| 08:54.18 | Miesco | peterS: Well I am booting in 2.4 right now |
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| 08:54.21 | justnulling2 | flimzy: it is supported in 2.6.14 and up :) |
| 08:54.30 | TraceGreen | hello, Does anyone know how to disable keyboard and mouse? escepically mouse. |
| 08:54.33 | Flimzy | justnulling2: so use 2.6.14 |
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| 08:54.48 | Flimzy | TraceGreen: unplug it |
| 08:54.51 | peterS | ski: is there a reason you're running sshd directly rather than via '/etc/init.d/ssh start'? |
| 08:55.19 | TraceGreen | i want to disable a computer's mouse which run vncserver, then i use vncviewer to control it. |
| 08:55.21 | ski | (peterS : bg info : i'm trying to configure sshd, so i tried restarting it with 'kill -SIGHUP <sshd pid>' ..) |
| 08:55.37 | TraceGreen | Flimzy, no, please don't use that way. |
| 08:55.46 | peterS | TraceGreen: with a 2.6 kernel, one handy way to disable a mouse without disturbing applications much is just 'rmmod psmouse' (if it's a PS/2 mouse) |
| 08:55.51 | ski | peterS : i don't know how it's usually started or restarted |
| 08:56.03 | justnulling2 | flimzy: well first i need to isntall debian and it will not find my hard unless i have the module since sarge comes with 2.6.8 |
| 08:56.08 | Flimzy | TraceGreen: Why exactly are you trying to disable the keyboard and mouse? |
| 08:56.14 | peterS | ski: right, '/etc/init.d/ssh restart' would have been more sane |
| 08:56.16 | TraceGreen | peterS, what a pity, it is not ps/2 |
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| 08:56.34 | peterS | TraceGreen: well, 'rmmod usbhid' if it is USB, but note that if a keyboard is USB you'll disable that too |
| 08:56.43 | ski | (peterS : man page seemed to imply sending it SIGHUP would restart it and read config ..) |
| 08:56.51 | ski | peterS : ok, will try |
| 08:56.52 | Flimzy | justnulling2: You can try several options, then... 1) Install on another device with 2.6.8, then upgrade the kernel, then move the OS to the raid |
| 08:57.01 | peterS | ski: my money is on your config being invalid somehow, and sshd dying because of that |
| 08:57.02 | Flimzy | justnulling2: Build your own install CD image with 2.6.14 |
| 08:57.14 | Flimzy | justnulling2: Use a non-RAID boot device |
| 08:57.14 | peterS | ski: but what I don't know if why running sshd at the command line wouldn't have told you this |
| 08:57.21 | Flimzy | any of those options should work |
| 08:57.25 | TraceGreen | peterS, it is very strange, my mouse is ps/2, but i don't find psmouse module, mouse is work. |
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| 08:57.42 | TraceGreen | peterS, so, i really don't know unload what module. |
| 08:57.43 | peterS | TraceGreen: then you're probably running a 2.4 kernel and you can't disable the mouse that way |
| 08:58.06 | justnulling2 | flimzy: well thier easiest should be load module and install debian on raid |
| 08:58.16 | TraceGreen | peterS, no, i use kernel 2.6.12, actuall, knoppix-3.8.2 liveCD |
| 08:58.17 | Miesco | peterS: I dont know what to do, could you tell me what I need to look into? Does multicast list have something to do with hardware? |
| 08:58.18 | Flimzy | justnulling2: If you can get it to work |
| 08:58.25 | peterS | TraceGreen: in that case you have to hack /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to disable the mouse there. how to do this such that the server doesn't complain, I'm not entirely sure |
| 08:58.43 | Flimzy | justnulling2: Of course... if you have to load a module to mount the root filesystem, then you won't be able to boot the system once Linux is installed |
| 08:58.51 | peterS | Miesco: it's hardware and software. the network card itself has to maintain a multicast list, but the kernel has to know how to handle multicast too |
| 08:58.52 | ski | peterS : yes, when i removed a 'ListenAddress' line i added, it started .. so that means i didn't understand how to do that |
| 08:58.52 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks so much! |
| 08:59.05 | ski | s/didn't understand/misunderstood/ |
| 08:59.12 | justnulling2 | flimzy: well i never worked with kernel modules so don't know how it works |
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| 08:59.28 | peterS | TraceGreen: I suppose the knoppix kernel probably ships the psmouse driver built-in rather than as a module. pity that, it would have been a simple method |
| 08:59.32 | justnulling2 | flimzy: well it can be made as part of kernel image i assume |
| 08:59.40 | Flimzy | justnulling2: Then I submit that this project is beyond the scope of your expertise, and I suggest tackling a simpler Linux install first |
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| 08:59.58 | TraceGreen | peterS, i want to ask you, can i disable mouse through modifing /etc/X11/XF85config-4? |
| 09:00.11 | Flimzy | justnulling2: Well, yes... that's one off the options I suggested, but you told me that your method would be easier |
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| 09:00.23 | sep | justnulling2, use the sarge 2.6.14 dc ? |
| 09:00.26 | peterS | TraceGreen: yes, as I said a moment ago, but I am not sure how to manage this without upsetting the X server |
| 09:00.32 | TraceGreen | peterS, in other word, if i recompile the kernel and make psmouse as a module, then, i can unload it, right? |
| 09:00.51 | peterS | TraceGreen: yes, or you could leave out the psmouse support entirely and that'd have much the same effect |
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| 09:01.18 | M_Cheevy | evening folks (NZT) |
| 09:01.20 | Miesco | 4am, I got 2 laptops beside each other, all I want to do is put this assignment to the other laptop so I can print it out :/ |
| 09:01.21 | sep | s/dc/cd |
| 09:01.29 | justnulling2 | flimzy: the only other option is to install in not on raid then copting it to raid sounds not trivial as well |
| 09:01.29 | Flimzy | blah |
| 09:01.30 | TraceGreen | peterS, what do you mean of "leave out" |
| 09:01.35 | Flimzy | my system is stuck in an unfixable state |
| 09:01.36 | justnulling2 | sep: what? |
| 09:01.48 | Flimzy | justnulling2: that's pretty easy, actually |
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| 09:01.52 | M_Cheevy | flmimzy: you doing a sata raid install? |
| 09:01.52 | caphuso | then you either forgot to mention about the errors you got while purging the package or you removed the wrong package |
| 09:01.56 | ivalladt | sep: 2.6.14 in sarge? |
| 09:01.59 | M_Cheevy | er flimzy that is |
| 09:02.01 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: no |
| 09:02.05 | sep | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:02.05 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 09:02.06 | peterS | TraceGreen: disable the PS/2 mouse option entirely. if you compile it as a module you have the choice of using it or not, if you don't compile it at all, then the system will never use a PS/2 mouse |
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| 09:02.11 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: why? |
| 09:02.15 | ivalladt | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:02.16 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 09:02.20 | sep | it's a sarge installer with 2.6.14 kernel for newer hardware |
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| 09:02.27 | M_Cheevy | flimzy: I just finished one successfully. |
| 09:02.36 | ivalladt | sep: 2.6.14 hardly installs on sid!! |
| 09:02.41 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: Congrats... is that supposed to matter to me? |
| 09:02.43 | justnulling2 | sep: i guess this is what i wnat :) |
| 09:02.58 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks so much, last question, if mouse is usb, then unload usbhid is ok, while ps/2, unload psmouse is ok, right? |
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| 09:03.23 | peterS | TraceGreen: here's how it works: in 2.6 kernels, |
| 09:03.24 | sep | justnulling2, you qould use the 2.6.12 cd if that supports it also |
| 09:03.26 | M_Cheevy | Flimzy: I saw "flimzy: the only other option is to install in not on raid" and figured that might be what you were doing... |
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| 09:03.31 | justnulling2 | sep: oh that is sid so i guess not a good idea to install in on server |
| 09:03.44 | sep | justnulling2, no it's sarge with a newer kernel |
| 09:03.55 | justnulling2 | sep: need 2.6.14 |
| 09:04.03 | peterS | TraceGreen: in 2.6 kernels, mouse support is handled by several modules. 'psmouse' and 'usbhid' are two modules for two kinds of mouse hardware. the interesting thing is that you can load and unload those modules without the X server even knowing you did it |
| 09:04.05 | chalcedony | can anybody make a virtual housecall to somebody on undernet with a downed debian server? |
| 09:04.10 | sep | justnulling2, it's a installer that saves you the bother of chroot intalling from knoppix or similar aproches |
| 09:04.23 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 09:04.31 | sep | justnulling2, try it then |
| 09:04.31 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: No. I'm trying to get a working kernel on my PPC laptop... someone else is trying to do a RAID install... not sure what either of those has to do with a sata install |
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| 09:04.43 | lgd_ | what is site of information famous? |
| 09:04.45 | justnulling2 | sep: ok let me try it since nothing else works |
| 09:04.49 | M_Cheevy | Flimzy: sata RAID install.. |
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| 09:05.07 | sep | justnulling2, had the same issues on this box it's the ich7 chipset just to bleeding new |
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| 09:05.24 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: I have no idea if he's using SATA RAID... I do know that it's irrelevant, tho, since RAID will appear as SCSI |
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| 09:05.38 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks so much! So, if i unload usbhid, usb mouse will not work, the same as ps/2 mouse, of course, usbhid and psmouse should be compiled as module. |
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| 09:05.46 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: Whether it's SCSI, SATA, PATA, USB, FireWire, RAMdisk, or bubble gum |
| 09:06.00 | aeronadix | can I play quicktime files inside mozilla embed player? what do you I have to do for it |
| 09:06.04 | justnulling2 | sep: maybe you can tel me how do i load a module during instalation? |
| 09:06.08 | peterS | TraceGreen: that's right. usbhid also handles USB keyboards and joysticks, as well as mice, just so you know |
| 09:06.08 | Flimzy | Grrr |
| 09:06.09 | sep | justnulling2, alternativly install a regular sarge on a ide drive in the computer. upgrade the kernel, detect and partitino your raid and move the install over. |
| 09:06.10 | Flimzy | freaking stupid Debian |
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| 09:06.31 | M_Cheevy | Flimzy: well, having just completed one, I can tell you it's not that easy.. the wiki has an article specifically dealing with it |
| 09:06.34 | sep | justnulling2, i alt+f2 and write modprobe module or insmod module there |
| 09:06.34 | TraceGreen | peterS, are there any other modules do the same work like usbhid and psmouse? |
| 09:06.48 | sep | usbmouse |
| 09:06.53 | peterS | TraceGreen: there is 'sermouse' for old-style serial port mice |
| 09:07.14 | peterS | TraceGreen: and 'busmouse' for those mice plugged into an 8-pin round port (looks like a PS/2 port but is slightly larger) |
| 09:07.15 | M_Cheevy | Flimzy: it's handled through /dev/mapper not /dev/sd |
| 09:07.18 | justnulling2 | sep: well it on floppy so how do i tell it to use floppy? but anyways i tied it form console and it gave -1 error |
| 09:07.21 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: I installed on SATA without any probles |
| 09:07.44 | Flimzy | with LVM, no less |
| 09:07.44 | ircdevil | ok - something is going to explode (i just send wikipedia.org to w3.validators check link service |
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| 09:08.02 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks so much! actually, you help me a lot! not only these questions. |
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| 09:08.17 | M_Cheevy | sata is no longer a problem... sata raid (mostly "fakeraid") is different. if you're dualbooting, lvm will not work with pre-existing partitions. |
| 09:08.41 | Flimzy | M_Cheevey: balogna |
| 09:08.47 | justnulling2 | sep: and ther is no 2.6.14 for sarge so what is the debian way of install it if install on none raid disk first? |
| 09:08.57 | sep | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:08.58 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 09:09.27 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: there are also real SATA RAID controllers out there, 3ware has them for example, in that case you don't need dm-raid |
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| 09:09.53 | sep | justnulling2, that url contains a sarge installer with a new kernel |
| 09:10.08 | M_Cheevy | Flimzy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto if you don't believe me |
| 09:10.16 | sep | justnulling2, i'd compile kernel and make a debian packange with the make-kpkg |
| 09:10.20 | chalcedony | ((((((( Snooze )))))))))) |
| 09:10.27 | sep | !make-kpkg |
| 09:10.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 09:10.37 | justnulling2 | sep: downlading it 80% done |
| 09:10.37 | M_Cheevy | jm_: yes, but there's a lot more of the fakeraid stuff... |
| 09:11.25 | Flimzy | M_Cheevy: I don't need a wiki article to tell me what I already know not to be true from personal experience |
| 09:11.53 | M_Cheevy | jm_: it's the way I ask, first I ask if it's sata raid, then if it's fakeraid, then I point em to the wiki... |
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| 09:13.32 | jm_ | M_Cheevy: yeah, Linux SATA RAID FAQ has the final question "OK now I know my SATA RAID is software RAID, but how do I use it..." or somesuch |
| 09:14.24 | M_Cheevy | jm_: I did a month of googling and reading on it before I tried anything. first did it with debian, then with ubuntu |
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| 09:15.53 | M_Cheevy | jm: and that linux sata raid faq is where I started... that's why I started with debian... |
| 09:16.53 | Snooze | i need some help with a debian system |
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| 09:17.46 | |krusty| | hi! where can i find the kernel source for my sarge 2.6.8 kernel ? i'm on stable |
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| 09:18.09 | streuner | Snooze: what details? |
| 09:18.32 | |krusty| | !kernel sarge |
| 09:19.21 | fireba11 | !tell Snoozeabout ask |
| 09:19.37 | fireba11 | !tell Snooze about ask |
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| 09:20.00 | fireba11 | |krusty|: apt-get install kernel-source .... |
| 09:20.11 | EdLin | !info kernel-source-2.6.8 sarge |
| 09:20.21 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.6.8: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 34105 kB, Installed size: 34236 kB |
| 09:20.22 | justnulling2 | sep: that kernel also doesn't have the module |
| 09:20.59 | |krusty| | fireball: i would guess so.. but it's not when search for it in aptitude |
| 09:21.11 | fireba11 | Flimzy: i call it a fakeraid when pakage says "raid 5 controller" and it't only simplemented in software |
| 09:21.28 | fireba11 | |krusty|: try apt-cache search then |
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| 09:22.02 | ircdevil | how to configure the mouse behaviour in firefox. i hate that scroll thing! |
| 09:22.15 | fireba11 | ircdevil: what scroll thing ? |
| 09:22.19 | |krusty| | fireball: i've got the sources now.. but the nvidia installer says i don't have it.. |
| 09:22.25 | Flimzy | fireba11: I understand how the term is used... but it's used improperly. B/c sofftware raid is still real raid. |
| 09:22.32 | ircdevil | fireba11: that ball with the errors that appears when clicking the middle button |
| 09:22.34 | cheal | !tell |krusty| about nvidia-installer |
| 09:22.40 | ircdevil | fireba11: err arrows |
| 09:22.41 | ircdevil | hehehehe |
| 09:22.53 | fireba11 | |krusty|: he probably ecpects them in /usr/src/linux and you ahve to link them there |
| 09:22.58 | |krusty| | i would guess the sources includes the headers too? would be really strange if not |
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| 09:23.06 | fireba11 | ircdevil: ah .. tried about:config ? |
| 09:23.08 | Flimzy | To be truely "fake raid" it would have to pretend to be redudant, inexpensive, or comprised of disks, when it's not |
| 09:23.12 | |krusty| | fireball: ok. thanks |
| 09:23.19 | SimonRaven | ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL |
| 09:23.25 | Flimzy | and software raid is actually reduntant, inexpensive, and comprised of disks |
| 09:23.28 | caphuso | |krusty|: the headers don't exist until you configure the kernel |
| 09:23.28 | Flimzy | therefore it is not fake raid |
| 09:23.35 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Blog/BlogEntry66 |
| 09:23.58 | fireba11 | Flimzy: true .. but about every current OS can make at least raid 0,1,10 by itself .. no need for any controller there |
| 09:24.07 | caphuso | |krusty|: and they are specific to your exact configuration |
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| 09:24.11 | |krusty| | caphuso: i say the sources was in a tarball too.. so i have to extract them. and then run configure? |
| 09:24.11 | chalcedony | Snooze: did you get your backup started ? |
| 09:24.33 | fireba11 | |krusty|: think so |
| 09:24.46 | caphuso | |krusty|: actually you need the headers and not the source package |
| 09:24.47 | TraceGreen | hello, peterS what about the driver of keyboard? |
| 09:24.48 | ircdevil | fireba11: where is that? |
| 09:25.03 | fireba11 | ircdevil: you can type it as url in firefox :-) |
| 09:25.25 | Flimzy | fireba11: Agreed. But still, that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether or not a BIOS-driven RAID controller is real raid or not. |
| 09:25.26 | peterS | TraceGreen: the driver for PS/2 keyboards is almost always built into your kernel. the driver for USB keyboards is 'usbhid', same one that does USB mice. |
| 09:25.33 | fireba11 | ircdevil: there should be a setting somewhere in the config file :-D |
| 09:25.49 | ircdevil | ok - ty |
| 09:26.07 | SimonRaven | usbhid i built into my kernel. just 'cause |
| 09:26.10 | fireba11 | Flimzy: they ought to make a difference if raid logic is hardware or not .. and they don't |
| 09:26.16 | Flimzy | fscking shzlinits |
| 09:26.20 | ircdevil | gotit |
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| 09:26.31 | Flimzy | fireba11: The solution to that problem is not to call software raid fake. |
| 09:27.01 | Flimzy | How the heck am I supposed to fix my system? I can't install a new kernel because it requires tools that I can't install until I install the new freaking kernel |
| 09:27.12 | SimonRaven | weee |
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| 09:27.30 | Flimzy | I never would have imagined such breakage from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12... |
| 09:27.44 | fireba11 | Flimzy: still i can only tell from the price if i got a raid controller package in my hands if it has hardware logic or not .. and that SHOULD be obviously printed on the package ^^ if a notbook comes without batteries they clearly state so too ^^ |
| 09:27.49 | SimonRaven | gets fun from 2.6.8 to .14 ;) |
| 09:28.06 | TraceGreen | peterS, so, do you know the name of keyboard's driver? |
| 09:28.13 | Flimzy | Simon: I'm trying to get .14 installed... but I freaking can't |
| 09:28.20 | Flimzy | I can't get my non-initrd kernel to boot |
| 09:28.35 | fireba11 | Flimzy: maybe you need to take somethign in between temporarily |
| 09:28.40 | Flimzy | and I can't install an initrd kernel until I have the new version of initrd-tools installed, which depends on the new version of udev, which requires kernel .12 |
| 09:28.49 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: what do you need? send me .config. i'll build a .deb for you. |
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| 09:29.06 | peterS | TraceGreen: depends on keyboard type. you can buy keyboards that connect to PS/2 ports and USB ports. USB keyboards use the 'usbhid' driver, as I have said about 4 times now |
| 09:29.11 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: I have a working .deb... I just can't install it b/c I don't have a working initrd tools |
| 09:29.24 | peterS | TraceGreen: PS/2 keyboards use a driver that doesn't really have a name because you can't really disable it (without trying really hard) |
| 09:29.33 | fireba11 | ircdevil: what setting is it ? could turn that off to as well :-) |
| 09:29.35 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: machine is an oldworld with a g3 upgrade. oh i see |
| 09:29.44 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: ? |
| 09:29.49 | SimonRaven | nm |
| 09:29.54 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: It's a G4, actually |
| 09:30.07 | SimonRaven | mine is, i know yours ;) |
| 09:30.19 | Flimzy | ic |
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| 09:30.25 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 09:30.29 | Flimzy | I have a G3 across the room, too... w/o a keyboard yet |
| 09:30.29 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 09:30.31 | TraceGreen | peterS, i know. thanks. |
| 09:30.37 | Flimzy | but I wanna get my G4 working *sob* |
| 09:30.41 | SimonRaven | fuck, i should be asleep, but i'm all juiced up right now |
| 09:30.49 | Flimzy | I wonder if I can magically downgrade from testing to stable |
| 09:30.51 | Flimzy | and get things working |
| 09:31.00 | Guerin | !bless Flimzy |
| 09:31.00 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Flimzy, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 09:31.01 | Snooze | i need help on this error :GRUB Loading stage1.5. |
| 09:31.01 | Snooze | GRUB loading, please wait... |
| 09:31.01 | Snooze | Error 17 |
| 09:31.22 | Guerin | !error 17 |
| 09:31.24 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: yeh. i know the feeling. mmm, with some elbow grease... and lotsa mojo |
| 09:31.26 | Snooze | i don't know what i did... but my system does not boot anymore :-(((( |
| 09:31.38 | Flimzy | I'd try to upgrade to unstable, but I'm sure I'll have the same problem there |
| 09:31.41 | peterS | TraceGreen: the PS/2 keyboard driver is called 'atkbd' because it's compatible with the old IBM AT keyboard interface |
| 09:32.46 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks! |
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| 09:33.15 | Flimzy | well... amazingly, apt no longer thinks it's broken |
| 09:33.18 | Flimzy | maybe that's good |
| 09:33.30 | jm_ | Flimzy: beware of the latest kernel breakage in sid |
| 09:33.34 | SimonRaven | o_O. helps |
| 09:33.36 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 09:33.39 | Flimzy | jm_: ? |
| 09:33.46 | jm_ | Flimzy: read the topic |
| 09:33.49 | Flimzy | 1) I'm not using sid |
| 09:33.55 | Flimzy | 2) I'm not using debian kernels |
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| 09:34.11 | Flimzy | I'm not sure how a testing -> stable downgrade is effected by sid breakage |
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| 09:34.26 | jm_ | bah, I said that because of <Flimzy> I'd try to upgrade to unstable, but I'm sure I'll have the same problem there |
| 09:34.38 | Guerin | Flimzy: the same principles apply. |
| 09:34.38 | jm_ | some people don't remember what they said 2 minutes ago and correlate what you tell them to it |
| 09:34.40 | Flimzy | ah |
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| 09:34.59 | Guerin | Flimzy: it's potentially MORE difficult to do testing > stable than unstable > testing |
| 09:35.00 | Flimzy | jm_: Well... I'm still not trying unstable atm |
| 09:35.16 | jm_ | Flimzy: ok :) |
| 09:35.18 | Flimzy | Guerin: Yes, but ATM, testing/unstable are completely unusable. So going to stable is the only possible route |
| 09:35.27 | peterS | Flimzy: FYI testing is considered just as broken as unstable at the moment, due to still being in the throes of various library transitions |
| 09:35.33 | Snooze | Anybody please? |
| 09:35.35 | Guerin | Flimzy: funny ... i seem to be using them fine |
| 09:35.40 | justnulling2 | sep: cool had to load the modules manually to get it to work with that custom instalation disk |
| 09:35.46 | Snooze | Where can i download debian rescue disk? |
| 09:35.51 | saintiss | is it possible to limit the amount of bandwith a certain process uses? e.g. I want to copy a file over the network, but I don't want to hijack the whole network |
| 09:35.52 | Guerin | Flimzy: trying to downgrade to stable will just break it more |
| 09:35.54 | jm_ | Snooze: you're the feller from earlier, right? |
| 09:36.01 | Flimzy | Guerin: Yes, but you're not using an old PPC kernel that requires tools built against a newer kernel, that can't be installed due to recursively broken dependancies |
| 09:36.01 | Guerin | Flimzy: just sit tight and ride out the storm |
| 09:36.14 | Flimzy | Guerin: Actually, ATM, the downgrade seems to have fixed the immediate problem. |
| 09:36.15 | cheal | why would testing be unusable? |
| 09:36.18 | peterS | saintiss: you can use the 'buffer' process in a pipeline and limit bandwidth that way |
| 09:36.20 | Guerin | Flimzy: luck |
| 09:36.26 | Flimzy | Guerin: Nnow hopefully I can get the new kernel installed, then go back to testing |
| 09:36.32 | Guerin | cheal: what they mean is 'kde and gnome are unusable' |
| 09:36.32 | saintiss | petemc, interesting, thanks |
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| 09:36.37 | Snooze | jm_? |
| 09:36.42 | peterS | saintiss: anything more involves 'tc' (traffic control kernel stuff) or other complicated mechanisms |
| 09:36.43 | Flimzy | Guerin: The "storm" is not rideoutable in my case. But thanks for the advice. |
| 09:36.53 | jm_ | Snooze: did you ask about this half an hour ago? |
| 09:36.57 | cheal | Guerin: I know that KDE isn't unusable in etch, but why would gnome be unusable? |
| 09:37.15 | caphuso | because it's gnome ;-) |
| 09:37.21 | petemc | woo |
| 09:37.33 | petemc | hey peterS :) |
| 09:37.39 | Guerin | beaten to the punch again |
| 09:37.40 | Snooze | jm_ yes... |
| 09:37.41 | cheal | OK, I don't use gnome because it has always been border-unusable to me |
| 09:37.42 | peterS | I wondered when you'd see that highlight |
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| 09:37.48 | Snooze | should i read up? |
| 09:37.49 | jm_ | Snooze: you were told what to do |
| 09:38.11 | Guerin | Flimzy: yours is clearly a fringe case for which desperate measures are required. |
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| 09:39.49 | Flimzy | Guerin: Indeed |
| 09:39.55 | Snooze | jm_ , no answer to my Q :-( |
| 09:39.56 | Shadur | iptables -I FORWARD --destination <blah> --protocol tcp -m multiport --ports 6073,2300:2400,47624,17770:17772,27900:29000 -j REJECT fails with "iptables v1.2.11: invalid port/service `2300:2400' specified" |
| 09:39.59 | Flimzy | Guerin: thus the testing -> stable downgrade |
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| 09:40.10 | Guerin | Flimzy: that still sounds overly rash, to me |
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| 09:40.22 | Shadur | But according to the manpage, multiport -- as opposed to mport -- is supposed to be able to handle port ranges. |
| 09:40.24 | Guerin | Flimzy: but I'm not prepared to troubleshoot you out of it, so fire at will :) |
| 09:40.44 | jm_ | Snooze: there's a bug in BTS about this |
| 09:40.53 | Flimzy | I wish I could just get a freaking non-initrd kernel to boot |
| 09:40.56 | Flimzy | then this wouldn't be an issue at all |
| 09:41.02 | Flimzy | maybe I should try another boot loader |
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| 09:41.19 | Snooze | can i msg , how it all started? |
| 09:41.27 | jm_ | no, explain it here |
| 09:41.37 | Snooze | hummm |
| 09:41.41 | sep | justnulling2, but you didnt need the downloaded drivers from 3ware's site whats in the kernel was enougf ? |
| 09:42.28 | Snooze | this is how it all started.. :Trying to move old root to /initrd ... okay |
| 09:42.28 | Snooze | Mounted devfs on /dev |
| 09:42.28 | Snooze | Freeing unused kernel memory: 96k freed |
| 09:42.28 | Snooze | Usage: ld.so [OPTION]... EXECUTABLE-FILE [ARGS-FOR-PROGRAM...] |
| 09:42.28 | Snooze | You have invoked `ld.so', the helper program for shared library executables. |
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| 09:42.57 | Snooze | too much sorry |
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| 09:43.03 | Guerin | !paster Snooze |
| 09:43.03 | dpkg | Snooze: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 09:43.07 | jm_ | Snooze: yeah the same as that feller has - udev |
| 09:43.42 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: you could try grub2 :P. no don't only if you can test things. |
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| 09:44.43 | Snooze | jm_ can you see the paste? |
| 09:44.51 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: does grub work on ppc? |
| 09:44.55 | jm_ | Snooze: no you have ti give us the URL I guess |
| 09:44.58 | jm_ | to |
| 09:44.59 | Flimzy | seems I have yaboot installed now |
| 09:45.02 | SimonRaven | grub2 does |
| 09:45.05 | Flimzy | and I have no idea how that's supposed to work |
| 09:45.14 | Flimzy | I see the yaboot.conf file... looks like a lilo.conf file |
| 09:45.19 | Flimzy | but not sure how to make those changes take efffect |
| 09:45.25 | Flimzy | yabootconfig overwrote it with useless crap |
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| 09:45.30 | SimonRaven | i'll be helping out a bit for the mac oldworld stuff |
| 09:45.36 | Snooze | :D |
| 09:45.37 | Snooze | :P |
| 09:45.39 | Snooze | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1292 |
| 09:45.41 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: run ybin -v |
| 09:45.49 | Snooze | there |
| 09:46.03 | jm_ | Snooze: wait, that's not GRUB error |
| 09:46.16 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: thanks |
| 09:46.22 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 09:46.44 | Flimzy | okay, I shall reboot with my fresh penguin urine |
| 09:46.46 | Flimzy | and see what happens |
| 09:46.49 | Flimzy | brb (I hope) |
| 09:47.02 | SimonRaven | good luck |
| 09:47.26 | Snooze | well that how it started.. and then the very next reboot was in recovery mode.. and i run a command... and the next restart..... |
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| 09:47.35 | Snooze | GRUB Loading stage1.5. |
| 09:47.35 | Snooze | GRUB loading, please wait... |
| 09:47.36 | Snooze | Error 17 |
| 09:47.38 | jm_ | well you have to fix that first |
| 09:47.55 | karsten | Snooze: There's a list of GRUB errors IIRC in the info docs. |
| 09:48.18 | jm_ | there is, and GRUB error 17 is known in BTS too, but he has other problems to fix first |
| 09:48.21 | Snooze | jm_, yeah but how? |
| 09:48.31 | karsten | Snooze: 17: cannot mount selected partition. Do you need an initrd? |
| 09:48.33 | Snooze | and what? |
| 09:49.08 | karsten | Snooze: ... typically you'll see that if you're pointing to the wrong partition, lack drivers, or meant to use an initrd and didn't |
| 09:49.31 | karsten | Snooze: Um. |
| 09:49.45 | karsten | Snooze: Check that, GRUB itself is trying to read the partition.... |
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| 09:49.53 | Flimzy | hrm |
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| 09:49.58 | Flimzy | well it didn't complain about initrd |
| 09:49.59 | Flimzy | but didn't boot |
| 09:50.06 | Flimzy | I think I may have forgotten fbconsole support |
| 09:50.12 | karsten | Snooze: ... might try confirming you're pointing to the right places and possibly reinstall GRUB (from a rescue disk). |
| 09:50.20 | jm_ | Snooze: boot with a rescue system, i.e. knoppix or grbl |
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| 09:50.29 | karsten | Flimzy: initrd's a red herring, my bad. |
| 09:50.34 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: woops :). kinda important on mac ppc ;) |
| 09:50.45 | Snooze | from where can i get a rescue disk? |
| 09:51.03 | Flimzy | hrm, no |
| 09:51.05 | Flimzy | karsten: eh? |
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| 09:51.12 | Flimzy | I have fb support |
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| 09:51.19 | Flimzy | not sure if I have the right hardware selected, tho |
| 09:51.22 | SimonRaven | built-in? |
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| 09:51.32 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: it's a powerbook... so yeah, it's built in |
| 09:51.34 | Flimzy | er |
| 09:51.38 | Flimzy | you mean the driver? |
| 09:51.38 | Flimzy | yeah |
| 09:51.43 | Flimzy | it's built in, too |
| 09:51.47 | SimonRaven | yeh. ok |
| 09:52.06 | peterS | I used to think offb was all anyone would need in that situation |
| 09:52.14 | deadcat | nocatsplash anyone? |
| 09:52.20 | Flimzy | It's an nvidia graphics chip |
| 09:52.23 | SimonRaven | yeh, but you have to have that there too ;) |
| 09:52.26 | Flimzy | and nvidia fb support is built in |
| 09:52.26 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 09:52.31 | karsten | Flimzy: Ignore me, I should be asleep. |
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| 09:52.48 | Flimzy | maybe some other essential bit is missing |
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| 09:52.52 | SimonRaven | offb is kinda slow... |
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| 09:53.55 | Flimzy | what is offb? |
| 09:53.56 | caphuso | great, banned by google :-( |
| 09:54.08 | SimonRaven | open firmware framebuffer |
| 09:54.12 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 09:54.18 | Guerin | you can get banned by google? |
| 09:54.31 | peterS | Flimzy: openfirmware fb. i.e., supposed to work on any machine whose video card support openfirmware. but as SimonRaven says, that's a lot slower than a 'native mode' framebuffer, if one exists |
| 09:54.39 | caphuso | ... but we can't process your request right now. A computer virus or spyware application is sending us automated requests, and it appears that your computer or network has been infected. |
| 09:54.56 | Danar | i found this in dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/si3Zhm34.html and ran "fsck.vfat -v /dev/hdb1" and got "Got 17515008 bytes instead of 18527452 at 18607616" |
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| 09:55.01 | Danar | can anyone help? |
| 09:55.04 | Guerin | caphuso: privoxy at http://feayn.org:8008/ |
| 09:55.30 | Flimzy | ah |
| 09:55.37 | Flimzy | I think I have both the offb and the nvidia fb selected then |
| 09:55.42 | Flimzy | so I guess my problem isn't fb |
| 09:55.58 | SimonRaven | won't matter. it can run in either easily |
| 09:55.59 | Flimzy | I get a bunch of stuff on the screen... the last line was, IIRC, "openpic: exit" |
| 09:56.03 | Flimzy | then it freezes |
| 09:56.03 | caphuso | Guerin: already solved itself, but good tip |
| 09:56.13 | Flimzy | right before it should go to the penguin logo |
| 09:56.19 | Flimzy | (which is why I was assuming it was a fb problem) |
| 09:56.21 | SimonRaven | that's the kernel's messages |
| 09:56.24 | Flimzy | but now I'm guessing it's something else |
| 09:56.42 | Flimzy | it didn't give a kernel panic type message like I'm used to on a PC when the kernel is missing some vital bit |
| 09:56.57 | SimonRaven | you can see them more easily if you stick a second monitor on the machine |
| 09:56.57 | Flimzy | is there something particular I should look for on that screen to see what's missing? |
| 09:57.02 | Guerin | caphuso: i use it to read subversive literature (ie: anything about north korea which isn't released by yonhap news agency) |
| 09:57.10 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: dcc me your .config |
| 09:57.16 | Flimzy | sure |
| 09:57.17 | caphuso | Guerin: you terrorist! |
| 09:57.18 | peterS | could still be a framebuffer issue. x86 PCs have it easy, you can talk to VGA text mode with a very simple driver that almost *can't* screw up |
| 09:57.18 | Danar | i found this in dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/si3Zhm34.html and ran "fsck.vfat -v /dev/hdb1" and got "Got 17515008 bytes instead of 18527452 at 18607616" |
| 09:57.26 | liran | is it possible to setup pop3 accounts which dont relay on their own unix username? |
| 09:57.46 | peterS | liran: I'm thinking courier can be set up to do that |
| 09:57.59 | Guerin | caphuso: just like DJ Vadim said: 'T-E-R-R-0-R-IST' |
| 09:58.03 | Danar | does this mean my HDD is dying? |
| 09:58.04 | peterS | but I haven't tried it |
| 09:58.05 | liran | im hosting this site and they want 30 email accounts but i dont want to create 30 usernames, it'd be messy |
| 09:58.16 | Guerin | and that was back in 1995, when being a terrrist wasn't cachet |
| 09:58.25 | SimonRaven | ldap! :) |
| 09:58.27 | liran | peterS, my setup is postfix + vpop3d |
| 09:58.43 | _sss | http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/index.html |
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| 09:59.01 | karsten | caphuso: ?? |
| 09:59.04 | peterS | liran: you should've said that then. anyway, I don't know whether vpop3d can be configured in that way |
| 09:59.29 | liran | i see |
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| 09:59.51 | Flimzy | peterS: I do virtual mail accounts with courier very nicely |
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| 09:59.58 | Flimzy | er |
| 10:00.01 | Flimzy | I meant that for liran |
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| 10:00.07 | Flimzy | but you might care, too, peters :) |
| 10:00.08 | caphuso | karsten: !! |
| 10:00.12 | peterS | right (: |
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| 10:00.35 | liran | peterS, by virtual mail accounts you mean that they have a pop3 box but they dont have an actual username on the box? |
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| 10:00.44 | liran | err sorry, thats for Flimzy |
| 10:00.48 | Flimzy | liran: that's what I mean, anyway |
| 10:00.50 | karsten | caphuso: Your google problem. Sorry, I'm slow on the draw. |
| 10:00.52 | liran | i guess we're all abit out of focus today :) |
| 10:00.55 | Flimzy | liran: I host multiple domains |
| 10:00.57 | peterS | apparently |
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| 10:01.10 | liran | Flimzy, how do they authenticate then? |
| 10:01.13 | Flimzy | liran: multiple accounts per domain... all separate from the 2 user accounts I have on the system |
| 10:01.19 | SimonRaven | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y |
| 10:01.20 | Flimzy | liran: I authenticate with the full e-mail address... |
| 10:01.26 | SimonRaven | =n |
| 10:01.29 | Flimzy | liran: user@host.com |
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| 10:01.43 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: I need to change that, eh? It can't be that easy |
| 10:01.44 | liran | right and about the password? |
| 10:01.44 | SimonRaven | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y; should be =n too |
| 10:02.13 | Flimzy | liran: they use whatever password is assigned to them |
| 10:02.18 | peterS | wait, *disabling* ramdisk support helps? what, it frees some kernel memory? |
| 10:02.30 | liran | Flimzy, you mean whatever password you setup in their virtual mail account file |
| 10:02.37 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: also make sure that you take CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_PMAC_ATA100FIRST=y into account when setting up yaboot.conf |
| 10:02.54 | Flimzy | liran: yeah |
| 10:03.04 | liran | Flimzy, ok so i need to check this thing out. |
| 10:03.06 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: eh? |
| 10:03.12 | liran | Flimzy, is this a postfix or vpop3d matter? or both? |
| 10:03.14 | Flimzy | So I turned off the ram disk stuff |
| 10:03.20 | SimonRaven | peterS: just to make sure. he can enable it after |
| 10:03.21 | Flimzy | liran: Like I said, I use courier |
| 10:03.22 | peterS | liran: he said earlier, he uses courier |
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| 10:04.10 | Flimzy | I couldn't get postfix or sendmail to do waht I wanted at the time I set it up like 3 years ago |
| 10:04.18 | Flimzy | since then I've simplified my setup a bit, but haven't chhanged my MTA |
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| 10:04.30 | liran | ok |
| 10:04.44 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: what do I need to do about the ATA100FIRST bit in yaboot.conf? |
| 10:05.26 | SimonRaven | because that sets the ata 100 bus as first bus looked at for the drives. hdd, cd, etc. |
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| 10:05.39 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: Is that bad? |
| 10:06.14 | SimonRaven | CONFIG_GEN_RTC_X=y # might need to turn that off |
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| 10:06.36 | SimonRaven | 'is that bad?': can be confusing |
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| 10:06.48 | Flimzy | So I should turn off the ata100 bit? |
| 10:07.00 | netbrain | anyone have an eclipse install guide to debian? |
| 10:07.18 | Guerin | netbrain: apt-get install emacs21 |
| 10:07.33 | SimonRaven | yeh, at least for now. you can play with it after |
| 10:07.38 | Flimzy | the help for that tool makes it look like I want that |
| 10:07.48 | Flimzy | or else my CD might turn out to be hda and my HDD to be hda |
| 10:07.53 | Flimzy | that would be undesirable |
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| 10:08.11 | SimonRaven | also, you'll need to look at the I2C stuff, i think you might need to turn KEYWEST or HYDRA on |
| 10:08.30 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: ok, so leave it on |
| 10:09.07 | Flimzy | okay, turned on the i2c stuff |
| 10:09.14 | Flimzy | what is hydra and keywest? |
| 10:09.17 | Flimzy | and how do I knw which I have? |
| 10:09.35 | SimonRaven | the CONTROL VALKYRIE and PLATINUM you don't need ;) |
| 10:09.45 | tonix | hi guys, i'm running an amazing debian firewall with a lot of stuffs, like dansguardian and many more. I redirect of course the connection on the 80 from the lan to 3128 squid port. Now i need squid user authentication to be able to track user internet activities, but i read that with the redirect mechanism (transparent proxy) is impossible to authenticate users..is it true? i hope no! thanks a lot |
| 10:10.12 | SimonRaven | DMASOUND_PMAC is crap driver, turn that off :) |
| 10:10.30 | netbrain | Guerin: whats up with emacs21? |
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| 10:10.40 | cowboybeep | hi all |
| 10:10.56 | Flimzy | okay |
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| 10:11.18 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: that you'll need to check out the h/w for, not sure which one you need to have |
| 10:11.20 | gigel_ | hello |
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| 10:11.27 | gigel_ | i have a kde 3.4 |
| 10:11.27 | cowboybeep | i ' ve some problems with apt-get install.. when i try to install something, it tells me: Impossible to find "file" |
| 10:11.28 | Flimzy | tonix: yes, that's impossible |
| 10:11.39 | Flimzy | tonix: b/c the browser thinks it's communicating with the server, not an authenticating proxy |
| 10:11.43 | tonix | Flimzy: noo, really?? |
| 10:11.48 | Flimzy | tonix: yes, really. |
| 10:11.52 | nfechner | tonix: correct |
| 10:11.56 | gigel_ | and when i want to log in as a user using kdm it only loads the konsole |
| 10:11.58 | EdLin | netbrain: SDNWOTN |
| 10:12.01 | SimonRaven | # CONFIG_USB_HID is not set # might want t hat too, if you want to plug in an external mouse/keyboard |
| 10:12.14 | tonix | Flimzy: is there a way to achieve this? |
| 10:12.21 | Flimzy | tonix: But if you're authenticating, you don't really need to use transparant proxy anyway... since the entire idea of transparant proxy is to avoid user interaction, and the idea of authentication is to require user interaction |
| 10:12.26 | Mr_Morden | can I backup a whole debian system with rsync? |
| 10:12.32 | Flimzy | tonix: Yeah... either don't use transparant proxy, or don't use authentication |
| 10:12.45 | gigel_ | this only happens with kdm and only logging in with that user |
| 10:12.56 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: I'll worry about that once I have a booting kernel :) |
| 10:12.59 | cowboybeep | i ' ve some problems with apt-get install.. when i try to install something, it tells me: Impossible to find "file" i have this problem with all files included .deb |
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| 10:13.06 | netbrain | EdLin: speak english plz :) |
| 10:13.12 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: :) |
| 10:13.18 | b0xy | this chan never sleeps |
| 10:13.19 | EdLin | !tell netbrain -about SDNWOTN |
| 10:13.27 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: would that i2c stuff prevent the kernel from booting? |
| 10:13.49 | cowboybeep | i ' ve some problems with apt-get install.. when i try to install something, it tells me: Impossible to find "file" i have this problem with all files included .deb |
| 10:13.56 | netbrain | EdLin: didnt mean to be sarcastic. |
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| 10:14.09 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: not too sure but i'd guess, no |
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| 10:14.16 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 10:14.19 | Flimzy | so wtf am I missing? |
| 10:14.24 | tonix | Flimzy: yeah, you're right, but i don't want to set the proxy manually on the browser. |
| 10:14.27 | gigel_ | can anybody help me? |
| 10:14.30 | gigel_ | please |
| 10:14.38 | netbrain | can anyone tell me how i should proceed to install eclipse? from source or apt-get.org respository? |
| 10:14.40 | Flimzy | tonix: Then don't use athentication |
| 10:14.48 | cowboybeep | aio... i think it's simple but i can't find the answer...i ' ve some problems with apt-get install.. when i try to install something, it tells me: Impossible to find "file" i have this problem with all files included .deb |
| 10:14.52 | EdLin | netbrain: Guerin was being sarcastic with you, and of course you didn't figure it out, according to the SDNWOTN principle |
| 10:15.02 | Flimzy | tonix: or set up your dhcp server to assign the proxy (if the client OSes support that feature) |
| 10:15.04 | cheal | !tell cowboybeep about repeat |
| 10:15.16 | Ronin | gigel_: just tell us teh problem if you havent allready |
| 10:15.18 | cheal | cowboybeep: try being precise instead of repeating |
| 10:15.27 | Ronin | ahh never mind |
| 10:15.27 | tonix | Flimzy: ok, thanks, i will think about it! |
| 10:16.02 | netbrain | EdLin: you linux guys are so smart, cunning, and deceitfull.. |
| 10:16.09 | netbrain | =P |
| 10:16.12 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: good luck. i need to ZZZzz |
| 10:16.12 | Flimzy | perhaps I should use the default Debian kernel config |
| 10:16.15 | Flimzy | and build from there |
| 10:16.26 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: yeah, me too... I shoulda gone to bed nearly 2 hours ago |
| 10:16.43 | SimonRaven | me over 3 =) |
| 10:16.43 | EdLin | netbrain: eclipse is in sid it seems, but I wouldn't reccomend that to someone who doesn't even know what emacs is. |
| 10:16.47 | Guerin | !SDNWOTN |
| 10:16.47 | dpkg | well, sdnwotn is Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
| 10:16.49 | gigel_ | ok |
| 10:16.49 | gigel_ | i'll tell it again |
| 10:16.52 | Guerin | right |
| 10:16.56 | gigel_ | i have a kde 3.4 and when i want to login as a user with kdm it only loads the konsole |
| 10:17.15 | gigel_ | this happens only with kdm and only with a specific user |
| 10:17.27 | gigel_ | what should i do? |
| 10:17.34 | gigel_ | cause i have no idea |
| 10:17.36 | netbrain | EdLin: as far as i know emacs is a text editor, probably with so programming features such as line count and syntax hilighting. |
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| 10:17.53 | Guerin | netbrain: it's far more featuresome than any IDE ever written |
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| 10:18.18 | netbrain | Guerin: does it have more functions than eclipse when i need it for programming java? |
| 10:18.25 | Flimzy | Guuerin: where feature == bloat :P |
| 10:18.28 | Guerin | netbrain: it has a java-mode |
| 10:18.36 | Guerin | Flimzy: not all of it's bloat. |
| 10:18.44 | netbrain | Guerin: and btw, what do you mean by IDE? |
| 10:18.48 | possie | when does linux acctually use swap space? only when something is allready not functional correctly right? |
| 10:18.59 | Guerin | netbrain: i've not used its java mode, but its tex, xml and text modes are peerless |
| 10:19.00 | Flimzy | Emacs: Now you can make Linux performm like Windows again! |
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| 10:19.13 | Flimzy | possie: When it needs to, basically. |
| 10:19.14 | Guerin | netbrain: and IDE is what eclipse is |
| 10:19.25 | Guerin | Flimzy: quelle vidiot |
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| 10:19.41 | netbrain | Guerin: yes i have understood as much, please give me an explination of the term "IDE". |
| 10:19.43 | Usiu | Why dbus is so old in debian sid ?? |
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| 10:19.51 | Flimzy | IDE = Integrated Development Environment |
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| 10:20.06 | azeem | Usiu: due to the ABI transition to 0.6 |
| 10:20.08 | Guerin | netbrain: Integrated Development Environment; marketroidese for 'text editor with some bells and whistles' |
| 10:20.12 | netbrain | Flimzy: and whats so special about IDE as opposed to ??? |
| 10:20.23 | Guerin | netbrain: nothing, but that's what eclipse is. |
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| 10:20.25 | possie | Flimzy: and can you tell me a reason when for instance? |
| 10:20.35 | Flimzy | netbrain: It makes it possible for Windows goobers to programm |
| 10:20.49 | netbrain | Flimzy: hehe.. |
| 10:20.51 | Flimzy | netbrain: And can possibly make the true geeks more efficient programmers |
| 10:20.59 | Flimzy | altho I don't use an IDE |
| 10:21.02 | Usiu | azeem, when it seems to be done ? |
| 10:21.05 | Flimzy | but then I dont' do a lot of programming, either |
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| 10:21.14 | netbrain | Flimzy: what do you use? if u dont mind me asking. |
| 10:21.16 | Flimzy | possie: If it runs out of physical RAM |
| 10:21.18 | azeem | Usiu: well, I think KDE and GNOME need transition in lock-step |
| 10:21.19 | Flimzy | netbrain: joe |
| 10:21.28 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:21.29 | Guerin | joe |
| 10:21.30 | Flimzy | netbrain: Which is admitedly a very poor programmer's editor |
| 10:21.38 | Danar | i found this in dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/si3Zhm34.html and ran "fsck.vfat -v /dev/hdb1" and got "Got 17515008 bytes instead of 18527452 at 18607616" |
| 10:21.38 | Flimzy | But, like I said, I do very little programming |
| 10:21.38 | azeem | Usiu: but it's going to be done soon |
| 10:21.41 | possie | Flimzy: yes okee, that i can understand, but besides that, when does it use swap? |
| 10:21.48 | Flimzy | possie: never |
| 10:21.53 | netbrain | Flimzy: thank you for adding knowledge to my brain |
| 10:22.02 | Flimzy | possie: When do you buy airline tickets to Austrailia, aside from when you need to? |
| 10:22.23 | possie | Flimzy: indeed, well that's what i'm trying to prove a college here as well :-) |
| 10:22.35 | Flimzy | possie: ? |
| 10:22.47 | possie | Flimzy: cause (excuse me for my bad words now) Windows does use swap file all the time |
| 10:22.53 | netbrain | ok people, i need some more help from you guys, so stop beating around the bush. How should i proceed with eclipse installation? source or apt-get.org respository?! |
| 10:22.56 | Flimzy | possie: That's b/c it needs to. |
| 10:23.08 | possie | Flimzy: why? |
| 10:23.12 | Flimzy | possie: If Windows has enough RAM, it doesn't use a swap file |
| 10:23.23 | Flimzy | possie: B/c Windows is less memory efficient... and more bloated |
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| 10:23.30 | Danar | can anyone help? |
| 10:23.31 | possie | Flimzy: hmmm |
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| 10:23.59 | Flimzy | where do I find the .config file used by the installed debian kernel? |
| 10:24.04 | netbrain | cmon guys, i know some of you must have installed eclipse at one point.. |
| 10:24.07 | caphuso | Flimzy: /boot/ |
| 10:24.26 | gigel_ | i have a kde 3.4 and when i want to login as a user it loads only the konsole |
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| 10:24.36 | gigel_ | can anybody help me? |
| 10:24.46 | Flimzy | caphuso: thanks |
| 10:25.02 | Flimzy | netbrain: I saw an eclipse once... |
| 10:25.32 | netbrain | hehe. |
| 10:25.34 | netbrain | goddam! |
| 10:25.42 | EdLin | netbrain: emacs+slime+sbcl > eclipse+jdt+java |
| 10:26.13 | netbrain | mind telling me what slime, and sbcl is? |
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| 10:26.36 | Flimzy | slime is that stuff hiding beneath your kitchen sink... |
| 10:26.37 | shadebob | hi |
| 10:26.45 | EdLin | netbrain: apt-cache search and apt-cache show tell all. |
| 10:26.57 | shadebob | I search how to send a file by ppp dialup connection... Someone can help me? |
| 10:27.28 | caphuso | shadebob: wrong layer |
| 10:27.37 | shadebob | caphuso? |
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| 10:27.51 | Flimzy | okay, I will now compile a new kernel with every option under the sun |
| 10:27.53 | Flimzy | well, not quite |
| 10:27.59 | Flimzy | but everything that's included in the default debian kernel |
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| 10:28.15 | caphuso | shadebob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_layer |
| 10:28.24 | Flimzy | which is incredibly slow |
| 10:28.32 | Flimzy | I think due to a lack of dma support for my hd |
| 10:29.07 | Danar | can anyone help me with my HDD problem? |
| 10:29.29 | Flimzy | danar: what's the prob? |
| 10:29.36 | Danar | dmesg has this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/si3Zhm34.html |
| 10:29.52 | shadebob | ok caphuso. so when a ppp link is established, I search how I can automatically transfert file between A and B? |
| 10:29.56 | Danar | i ran fsck on /dev/hdb1 and got this: "Got 17515008 bytes instead of 18527452 at 18607616" |
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| 10:30.11 | Flimzy | Danar: sorry, don't have a working browser on this pc yet |
| 10:30.27 | caphuso | Danar: install smartmontools, run "smartctl -a /dev/hdb" and look for errors |
| 10:30.34 | Danar | hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 10:30.36 | Flimzy | shadebob: use ftp, http, sendfile, dcc, or any other file transfer protocol that works over IP |
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| 10:30.43 | Flimzy | Danar: looks like a bad drive |
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| 10:31.02 | Danar | :( |
| 10:31.12 | Flimzy | Danar: That *can* be caused by other obscure errors (got it with an ATA33 cable on an ATA100 bus... and once on a corrupted hard drive...) |
| 10:31.18 | Flimzy | but it's _usually_ a hardware problem on the drive itself |
| 10:31.34 | shadebob | Flimzy : I don't known how to execute a script when an ppp user connect to my server? :( |
| 10:31.38 | Danar | i hope it doesn't die... it's 250Gb.. :( |
| 10:31.46 | Flimzy | shadebob: huh? |
| 10:31.56 | Flimzy | shadebob: If you're connected by PPP, then you're on the Internet |
| 10:32.04 | Flimzy | works same as if they're connnected by ethernet |
| 10:32.08 | Flimzy | or any other Iinternet connection |
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| 10:33.12 | shadebob | Flimzy : My problem is : A machine connect automatically at 00:00 to my ppp server. I want to known how I can execute a script automatically at the pppuser connection... |
| 10:33.31 | Flimzy | what is a pppuser connection? |
| 10:33.55 | Flimzy | You can run scripts automatically when a PPP connection is brought up in /etc/ppp/ |
| 10:34.15 | Flimzy | ppp-up.d and ppp-down.d, IIRC |
| 10:34.20 | shadebob | OK :) |
| 10:34.22 | shadebob | thanks |
| 10:34.24 | Flimzy | should be directories and/or files |
| 10:34.29 | Flimzy | they should exist by default |
| 10:34.39 | Flimzy | and be nearly empty, with some comments that explain the paramaters that are passed |
| 10:34.40 | Danar | caphuso, http://rafb.net/paste/results/DDK4U857.html |
| 10:34.51 | Flimzy | tty device, local IP, remote IP, network interface, etc |
| 10:35.11 | Flimzy | I used to know all that like the back of my hand when I ran my linux ISP |
| 10:35.14 | caphuso | nice... Error 9723 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 10732 hours (447 days + 4 hours) |
| 10:35.20 | caphuso | Danar: that disk is dead |
| 10:35.23 | Flimzy | but it's been 3 years or so now since I've run a PPP server |
| 10:35.31 | Danar | caphuso, i'm using it now... :/ |
| 10:35.31 | Flimzy | and almost as long since I've used a PPP client |
| 10:35.35 | shadebob | thanks flimzy |
| 10:35.42 | caphuso | Danar: not for long |
| 10:35.43 | Flimzy | and now I shall sleep |
| 10:35.46 | Danar | :( |
| 10:35.53 | caphuso | Danar: make a backup. right now. |
| 10:35.58 | Danar | caphuso, is there anything i can do? |
| 10:35.59 | Flimzy | while my kernel gently wheeps |
| 10:36.01 | Flimzy | er |
| 10:36.02 | Flimzy | compiles |
| 10:36.09 | Danar | caphuso, heh, it's 250Gb... |
| 10:36.23 | caphuso | Danar: so? |
| 10:36.31 | Danar | caphuso, so that's a bit much to back up... |
| 10:36.33 | Flimzy | Danar: To save the data, try to dd an image |
| 10:36.42 | Danar | Flimzy, to where?? |
| 10:36.43 | Flimzy | Danar: Write a script to dd 1kbb at a time |
| 10:36.48 | Flimzy | Danar: To an image file somewhere else |
| 10:36.58 | Danar | i'd need another 250Gb drive |
| 10:37.03 | Flimzy | Danar: If you do 1kb at a time, you won't be forced to stop at the first bad block |
| 10:37.08 | Flimzy | Danar: So get another 250gb drive |
| 10:37.11 | caphuso | Danar: bah, just delete the data. it's obviously not important |
| 10:37.13 | Danar | $ |
| 10:37.20 | Danar | caphuso, funny |
| 10:37.25 | Flimzy | Danar: $60 or so |
| 10:37.28 | Flimzy | if you shop around |
| 10:37.31 | Danar | o.O |
| 10:37.42 | Flimzy | I think I paid $50 for my last 250gb |
| 10:37.49 | Flimzy | well |
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| 10:37.53 | Flimzy | less if you count my AOL discount |
| 10:37.58 | Flimzy | but I won't get into that tonite |
| 10:38.03 | Flimzy | don't want any flames :P |
| 10:38.13 | EdLin | !aol |
| 10:38.13 | dpkg | aol is, like, for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 10:38.20 | Danar | Flimzy, how would i go about the dd script? |
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| 10:38.27 | Flimzy | Danar: man dd is your friend |
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| 10:38.42 | Flimzy | I signed up for AOL 20 times |
| 10:38.48 | Flimzy | and got $5000 worth of gift certs for it |
| 10:38.53 | Flimzy | at a total cost of $900 to me |
| 10:38.54 | Danar | i've yet to make a useful script |
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| 10:39.04 | Flimzy | Danar: you can't start any younger :) |
| 10:39.08 | harryl | man o man new power supply new case with UV - finally running good |
| 10:39.10 | Flimzy | So I bought this G4 Powerbook... |
| 10:39.15 | Flimzy | and a dual-core A64 |
| 10:39.19 | Flimzy | and will pick up an HDTV soon |
| 10:39.28 | Danar | Flimzy, so, care to help? |
| 10:39.30 | Flimzy | for the low price of $900, thanks to AOL |
| 10:39.34 | Flimzy | Danar: not now... need to sleep |
| 10:39.37 | Danar | :/ |
| 10:39.39 | Flimzy | sorry |
| 10:39.54 | EdLin | Flimzy: I don't know what AOL is, but it's nice that they keep sending me free drink coasters. |
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| 10:40.08 | Flimzy | Screw the drink coasters |
| 10:40.13 | Flimzy | I like my free HDTV and powerbook |
| 10:40.41 | Flimzy | okay |
| 10:40.42 | harryl | powersupply was so bad, not even keyboard worked right. |
| 10:40.46 | Flimzy | g'nite |
| 10:41.23 | maxb | Any users of apt-listchanges here? I just installed the findutils update which just got into testing, and for some reason, apt-listchanges cannot see that it has a NEWS entry |
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| 10:42.46 | Danar | how can i determine which file is located on the bad sector? |
| 10:42.57 | jm_ | cat all files to /dev/null |
| 10:43.29 | harryl | ULTRA 500W only way to go |
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| 10:44.44 | Danar | permission denied: /dev/null |
| 10:44.45 | Danar | heh |
| 10:44.52 | jm_ | what did you run? |
| 10:45.01 | Danar | cat * | /dev/null |
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| 10:45.06 | caphuso | jm_: obviously /dev/null |
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| 10:46.25 | jm_ | haha |
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| 10:46.26 | EdLin | !win caphuso |
| 10:46.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 10:47.06 | Arafangion | I've a <censored> strange computer problem. |
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| 10:47.25 | Arafangion | I suspect a corrupt bios, so when I boot it, it looks for the floppy drive, so I had to find one and wack it in. |
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| 10:47.39 | Danar | did i do something wrong? |
| 10:47.48 | Arafangion | It then asked for a system disk, so I had to find one and wack that in - all I could find was "rescue.bin". |
| 10:47.51 | Arafangion | So now it's booting that fine. |
| 10:47.53 | EdLin | Danar: yes |
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| 10:48.06 | Arafangion | Fastest boot I've ever seen, didn't do any memory checks, etc, just straight to the floppy. |
| 10:48.16 | Arafangion | The question is... what the heck do I do now? :) |
| 10:48.27 | Danar | EdLin, care to elaborate? |
| 10:48.56 | EdLin | Danar: pipe is not a redirection operator. |
| 10:48.59 | CcSsNET | well arafangion, what was your goal? what are you trying to do |
| 10:49.15 | Arafangion | CcSsNET: The goal would be to get it to boot from the hdd at this point. |
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| 10:49.24 | CcSsNET | hmm |
| 10:49.32 | EdLin | cat * > /dev/null |
| 10:49.39 | EdLin | Danar: you were asking cat to run /dev/null to process i/o |
| 10:49.48 | azeem | Arafangion: your problem does not seem to be Debian specific, right? |
| 10:49.52 | Danar | oops |
| 10:49.55 | Arafangion | azeem: Correct. |
| 10:50.02 | azeem | there's not much we can do about faulty BIOSes |
| 10:50.05 | EdLin | Danar: so Linux told you you didn't have permission to execute /dev/null |
| 10:50.12 | Danar | EdLin, so how's it done right? |
| 10:50.13 | Arafangion | azeem: I know. It's damn wierd, though. |
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| 10:50.37 | EdLin | Danar: as I said before, cat * > /dev/null |
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| 10:50.43 | Danar | oh yeah :/ |
| 10:50.50 | Danar | uh, you said that? |
| 10:50.53 | CcSsNET | arafangion it has a cdrom drive correct? |
| 10:51.00 | EdLin | yep |
| 10:51.12 | CcSsNET | a installed hard drive id assume |
| 10:51.31 | Danar | cat: Stuff: Is a directory |
| 10:51.31 | EdLin | 05:49 < EdLin> cat * > /dev/null |
| 10:51.42 | Danar | blah |
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| 10:51.50 | Arafangion | CcSsNET: Yes, but it only boots from floppy at this stage. |
| 10:51.54 | EdLin | Danar: you may need to write a script then. |
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| 10:52.05 | Arafangion | CcSsNET: It goes staight to the floppy at the moment, doesn't even do POST. |
| 10:52.11 | CcSsNET | try getting a cdrom and floppy boot combo, load up an os, change the partition flag, to boot, on the partition see what happens |
| 10:52.18 | Arafangion | CcSsNET: Infact, it skips everything - I don't think it even loads the bios properly. |
| 10:52.19 | CcSsNET | also try installing a boot loader |
| 10:52.31 | CcSsNET | get a bios flask |
| 10:52.34 | henk | i want to redirect a port on localhost (127.0.0.1) to a port on an outside ip. I cannot get it to work it's been frustrating me for hours anyone please help |
| 10:52.34 | CcSsNET | flash* |
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| 10:52.46 | Danar | EdLin, any help with that? |
| 10:52.47 | CcSsNET | for that system |
| 10:52.53 | jm_ | henk: are you testing it from the same box? |
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| 10:53.07 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 10:53.07 | Arafangion | CcSsNET: One problem, it's a gigabyte board, and they are saying that it should be done using q-flash - and you need to be in the bios for that. |
| 10:53.08 | EdLin | Danar: read a bash scripting tutorial on the web. |
| 10:53.24 | CcSsNET | heh |
| 10:53.29 | EdLin | Danar: I think www.tldp.org has a couple |
| 10:53.41 | slipstream-- | Arafangion: do you have any info about what type of bios was there? e.g. Award/AMI? |
| 10:53.47 | CcSsNET | well that is your goal, flash your bios good luck |
| 10:53.50 | Arafangion | slipstream--: I think it's award. |
| 10:53.54 | Eclipser | Danar, find . -not -type d -exec cat {} > /dev/null \; |
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| 10:53.57 | Eclipser | (perhaps) |
| 10:54.00 | Arafangion | Hmm. |
| 10:54.18 | slipstream-- | aha, then google for recovery boot disk award :) |
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| 10:54.38 | henk | jm_ It's just one box. It has a few 'outside' ips, on one of those there is a deamon (smtp) listening. I want connections to 127.0.0.1:25 to be redirected to this outside ip on port 25. |
| 10:54.43 | Arafangion | slipstream--: This is the recommended way to do it for my system: http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Support/BIOS/HowToReflash/pdf/flashbios_qflash.pdf |
| 10:54.51 | Arafangion | slipstream--: Trouble is I can't get to that fricking screen! |
| 10:55.09 | jm_ | henk: why not make the daemon listen on 127.0.0.1:25 too? |
| 10:55.52 | slipstream-- | Arafangion: which screen? afaik in this emergency mode it should only autoflash from diskette |
| 10:56.42 | slipstream | huh |
| 10:56.43 | Arafangion | slipstream--: It's running rescue.bin fine, You say it should also run the "bios" fine as well? |
| 10:57.04 | henk | jm_ it takes only 1 IP as input. I can make the IP 0.0.0.0, it will than listen on all interfaces. But i don't want it to listen on the other ips. just localhost and one specific outside ip. the other ouside ip's have different deamons on port 25 already |
| 10:57.06 | slipstream | Arafangion: ah, then I just dunno :) |
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| 10:57.21 | Arafangion | slipstream: Fastest damn boot I ever seen, btw. |
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| 10:58.31 | jm_ | henk: ok, then redirect it, it's covered by iptables tutorial and it also has a note about common problem people run into when doing it |
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| 10:58.44 | Danar | oy, i'm not proficient enough to do it with a script :/ |
| 10:59.06 | henk | jm_ redirection seems not to work for lo. iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 127.0.0.1 --dport 25 -j DNAT --to 123.123.123.123:25 does not work and yes i have ip_forward set to 1 |
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| 11:00.07 | Eclipser | Danar, did you try my method... |
| 11:00.40 | Danar | no |
| 11:00.43 | EdLin | Danar: Eclipser knows what he's talking about, you could do it with find. |
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| 11:01.17 | jm_ | henk: like I said, the tutorial has a note about a common problem people run inro when doing it |
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| 11:02.20 | Danar | what's the {} do? |
| 11:02.51 | henk | jm_ i've been rtfm for some time now could you please give me a pointer where to look it's a pretty big tutorial and i have not found what you mean thus far |
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| 11:03.14 | Eclipser | " The string `{}'is replaced by the current file name being processed everywhere it occurs in the arguments to the command, not just in arguments where it is alone, as in some versions of find." |
| 11:03.41 | Eclipser | Danar, man find, /\{\} |
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| 11:05.10 | ski | '{}' expands to the current filename, iirc |
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| 11:05.41 | Eclipser | that's what I said |
| 11:05.47 | hawking | does anyone know how to convert a pdf file to openoffice format or any similar format? |
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| 11:06.17 | ski | (Eclipser : sorry, mea culpa, should've read more carefully) |
| 11:06.23 | azeem | hawking: this sounds like a very hard problem |
| 11:06.35 | hawking | azeem : are you serious? :/ |
| 11:06.40 | azeem | hawking: well, yes |
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| 11:06.47 | EdLin | hawking: xpdf has some conversion tools, but to ghostscript and text, not to oo |
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| 11:06.54 | Danar | hawking, can't you just open it in openoffice, and use 'save as...'? |
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| 11:07.17 | hawking | Danar : when I open it in openoffice |
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| 11:07.18 | azeem | Does OOo have .pdf import? |
| 11:07.21 | jm_ | henk: DNAT section |
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| 11:07.24 | hawking | it wants me to select a filter |
| 11:07.29 | Mr_Morden | anyone is proficient with rsync here? |
| 11:07.36 | hawking | danar : and no pdf there |
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| 11:07.44 | EdLin | azeem: I know that OOo can save to PDF, but I think this is with version 2. |
| 11:07.53 | Danar | hawking, is there one that says adobe reader or something? |
| 11:07.55 | azeem | EdLin: well, that is an entirely different matter |
| 11:08.01 | henk | JM_ i found it..... the PREROUTING and POSTROUTING are not used at all for localhost |
| 11:08.04 | hawking | danar : nope :/ I wish there was |
| 11:08.12 | henk | JM_ you need to use OUTPUT |
| 11:08.13 | Eclipser | 1.x can export PDF too :p |
| 11:08.19 | azeem | hawking: you can extract text and images from .pdf if they are properly encoded, but I am not aware of a Free Software solution to do this automatically and with intact layout |
| 11:08.20 | Eclipser | but I know nothing of import... |
| 11:08.29 | henk | JM_ damn that took to much of my time |
| 11:08.34 | henk | tm_ thnx |
| 11:08.37 | jm_ | henk: postrouting is |
| 11:08.38 | azeem | hawking: if it is just for one document, I suggest copy&pasting the stuff, and remodelling the layout |
| 11:08.40 | gnu_andrew_uni | Does anyone know anything about setting up authentication against an LDAP server on Debian Sarge? |
| 11:08.51 | hawking | azeem : I can't copy paste |
| 11:08.55 | azeem | hawking: why not? |
| 11:09.11 | hawking | azeem : well I can choose the text in xpdf but there is no copy option when I right-click |
| 11:09.19 | azeem | hawking: try evince |
| 11:09.31 | azeem | or kpdf |
| 11:09.56 | azeem | hawking: not sure whether xpdf can copy/paste, did you try to just mark it and the middle-click in a terminal? |
| 11:10.38 | hawking | nope |
| 11:10.45 | azeem | hawking: the evince version in sarge is pretty outdated, though |
| 11:11.01 | Guerin | pdftotext |
| 11:11.11 | Danar | pdftotext doesn't keep the layout though |
| 11:11.16 | Guerin | getting text from a pdf is a joke without it |
| 11:11.24 | Guerin | Danar: it does a reasonable job if you tell it to |
| 11:11.33 | Danar | somewhat |
| 11:11.37 | Danar | sometimes :p |
| 11:11.46 | hawking | can i do it under windows? |
| 11:11.50 | azeem | ? |
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| 11:11.57 | hawking | cause this is uni's comp and I can't dl packages |
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| 11:12.00 | Guerin | hawking: only if you own adobe acrobat |
| 11:12.03 | azeem | hawking: on Windows, you can just use Acrobat Reader I guess |
| 11:12.10 | hawking | let me give that a try |
| 11:12.13 | plbgnr | hello, there is mozilla-firefox version 1.0.4 in debian/stable. But I read http://networks.silicon.com/webwatch/0,39024667,39155041,00.htm ...and firefox in version 1.0.4 is vulnerable in accordance with this article. So my question: why is this version of firefox in debian/stable? and when will there be a newer version? |
| 11:12.14 | Guerin | acrobat reader won't allow you to save changes |
| 11:12.30 | Guerin | only the full acrobat will, and it's massively evil |
| 11:12.43 | azeem | oh he left |
| 11:12.52 | Guerin | plbgnr: the version string says 1.04, but in fact it's materially 1.07 |
| 11:12.55 | allgo | plbgnr, I think they may have ported the security fixes |
| 11:13.16 | Guerin | with firefox they actually don't bother backporting them; they just bring the new version in |
| 11:13.31 | koshnaranek | there are two firefox versions available |
| 11:13.37 | slipstream | Arafangion: this pdf seems doesn't say anything about recovery mode, only about updating |
| 11:13.38 | allgo | Guerin, ah, good to know.. large piece of software of course |
| 11:13.38 | Guerin | backporting fixes into something as huge as mozilla is Not Worth It, apparently |
| 11:13.42 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 11:13.47 | allgo | :) |
| 11:13.48 | Guerin | it's about the only case where that's true |
| 11:13.55 | koshnaranek | 'firefox' and 'mozilla-firefox' |
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| 11:14.05 | Guerin | koshnaranek: in sid |
| 11:14.10 | koshnaranek | yes |
| 11:14.14 | koshnaranek | well |
| 11:14.15 | allgo | koshnaranek, thar's unstable |
| 11:14.21 | koshnaranek | i have an unofficial source |
| 11:14.37 | koshnaranek | it *might* be from there, i did not look |
| 11:14.41 | bobbens | it isnt |
| 11:14.47 | bobbens | firefox and mozilla-firefox are from official |
| 11:14.51 | koshnaranek | ah ok |
| 11:14.52 | bobbens | firefox is newer then mozilla-firefox |
| 11:15.00 | bobbens | code named Deer Park |
| 11:15.11 | allgo | so firefox is 1.5? |
| 11:15.14 | bobbens | yeah |
| 11:15.42 | EdLin | allgo: firefox even in sid isn't 1.5 yet |
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| 11:15.49 | koshnaranek | firefox 1.5 is not compatible yet with some plugins like real rhapsody, so i hope mozilla-firefox (1.0.7) remains for awhile |
| 11:16.04 | allgo | ah okay |
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| 11:16.14 | EdLin | Guerin: they did try to backport stuff for mozilla-firefox for a bit, but it caused so many regressions that they gave up. |
| 11:16.34 | bobbens | Did tetex-bin bork in SID or is my system acting up? dpkg --configure returns an error |
| 11:16.45 | embrik | I've got a debian/woody installation and want to upgrade open office from 1.0.2 to at least 1.1.3. Is this possible.I've serched and asked, but haven't got any wiser |
| 11:16.46 | azeem | bobbens: depends on the error |
| 11:16.55 | allgo | have to keep up with unstable some more.. but getting my system to run after the last kernel update took some time haha |
| 11:17.03 | azeem | embrik: I don't think many people still do woody backports |
| 11:17.03 | bobbens | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.12 | azeem | bobbens: that's not the real error |
| 11:17.14 | Konky | hmmm |
| 11:17.16 | EdLin | !tell embrik -about woody->sarge |
| 11:17.16 | azeem | look further above |
| 11:17.22 | ski | hm .. how to get an ftp daemon running ? |
| 11:17.26 | koshnaranek | firefox 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-2 (unstable) |
| 11:17.29 | Konky | i jsut see that the etch (testing) release can not be isntalled with the current official installer |
| 11:17.29 | bobbens | azeem: want me to do a pastebin? |
| 11:17.35 | azeem | bobbens: yeah, probably |
| 11:17.36 | Konky | not nice;/ |
| 11:17.40 | allgo | koshnaranek, rc3 == final |
| 11:17.43 | Danar | anyone guess how long " find . -not -type d -exec cat {} > /dev/null \;" will take on a ~150Gb partition? |
| 11:17.46 | azeem | Konky: how so? |
| 11:17.53 | BobbyGrace | Need some help here. I have an broken installation of "proftpd" in apt's chace or something. When I try to remove this, it fails because I am missing "proftpd-common". This error message also appears when I use apt-get install some-package. How can I remove this ? |
| 11:17.58 | Konky | i just downloaded the actual businesscard iso |
| 11:18.04 | azeem | Konky: it's generally advised to install stable and dist-upgrade from there |
| 11:18.12 | azeem | Konky: did you try expert mode? |
| 11:18.15 | bobbens | azeem: well it all sums up to ERROR! The map file `dvips35.map' has not been found at all. methinks |
| 11:18.16 | Konky | i select "testing" and i get errors that the debootstrap script is not found |
| 11:18.16 | azeem | or whatever it's called |
| 11:18.17 | allgo | bobbens, apt-get -f install ? |
| 11:18.18 | ski | is proftpd a good enough ftp server ? |
| 11:18.21 | koshnaranek | so the additional version info is the package version, neh? |
| 11:18.28 | bobbens | allgo: nope |
| 11:18.28 | Konky | ye i gues si need a dist-upgrade but that's not nice ;/ |
| 11:18.28 | azeem | bobbens: google for that/check the BTS |
| 11:18.31 | BobbyGrace | allgo: doesn't work |
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| 11:18.45 | BobbyGrace | azeem: found no usable results on Google |
| 11:18.46 | azeem | Konky: why not? |
| 11:18.53 | Danar | it's been running for ~20 mins now... |
| 11:18.59 | koshnaranek | obviously the package maintainer is giving some wiggle room for adjustments |
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| 11:19.03 | markd___ | anyone know the eta of kde 3.5 entering unstable? |
| 11:19.04 | azeem | Konky: you are talking about the Sarge installer, right? |
| 11:19.11 | Gnea | ok, libxine-dev and libxine1 haven't been updated in sid yet |
| 11:19.14 | Konky | hmm yes azeem |
| 11:19.21 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 11:19.21 | Konky | but it ASKS what release i want |
| 11:19.26 | azeem | Konky: there is a Beta1 for Etch you could test, if you feel so |
| 11:19.36 | azeem | Konky: ok then, where's the issue? |
| 11:19.37 | Guerin | EdLin: yeah |
| 11:19.46 | BobbyGrace | dpkg: error processing proftpd (--remove): |
| 11:19.46 | BobbyGrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.46 | BobbyGrace | /etc/init.d/proftpd: line 19: /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions: No such file or directory |
| 11:19.47 | Konky | the debootstrap script for etch is not found -> install fails |
| 11:20.28 | Arafangion | Ok that's wierd. |
| 11:20.45 | EdLin | koshnaranek: mozilla-firefox is still 1.07, while firefox is a different version - didn't know that. |
| 11:20.46 | embrik | edlin: I know about woody/sarge. My students are having a term-test tomorrow and need myspell-en-gb. Haven't had time yet to convert to sarge |
| 11:21.11 | azeem | Konky: well, sorry then |
| 11:21.24 | Konky | ye, just sucked |
| 11:21.25 | Arafangion | slipstream: Turns out that I can run anything from a floppy disc, debian, win98 startup disks, etc -- except the bios flash utility! |
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| 11:21.40 | azeem | Konky: the supported ways to do that are (I) install stable, dist-upgrade or (ii) install from a testing d-i |
| 11:21.40 | Konky | i like debian, but when such baic things fail people get turned off |
| 11:21.46 | bobbens | here, dpkg --configure subprocess while running apt-get install tetex-bin (updating to newest version) on SID creates this little log on /tmp: http://pastebin.com/465079 |
| 11:21.48 | azeem | Konky: oh, come on |
| 11:21.56 | azeem | Konky: you're doing something unsupported |
| 11:22.02 | Konky | yea i don'T talk about myself |
| 11:22.13 | Konky | i talk about someone who does nto know much about debian/linux |
| 11:22.25 | azeem | Konky: why would they want to install testing? |
| 11:22.28 | Konky | he downlaods the isntaller, selects "ah i want modern software" (testing) and then it fails |
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| 11:22.51 | azeem | Konky: that option is not presented for regular installs, AFAIK |
| 11:22.53 | Danar | azeem, newer packages |
| 11:22.56 | Konky | because woody (old stable) had pretty old software -> bad talk about debian -> "get testing" in mind |
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| 11:23.07 | Konky | azeem: this option is present |
| 11:23.11 | Konky | in the official isntaller |
| 11:23.15 | Konky | stable/testing/unstable |
| 11:23.16 | EdLin | !d-i |
| 11:23.17 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:23.24 | azeem | Konky: when you do a regular install, not an expert one? |
| 11:23.24 | EdLin | you got the wrong installer |
| 11:23.28 | Konky | normal installation |
| 11:23.33 | Konky | i just clicked through |
| 11:23.42 | azeem | Konky: which .iso did you download? |
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| 11:23.48 | Konky | business card image |
| 11:23.55 | Konky | btw i just see that the stable isntallation failed |
| 11:23.56 | Konky | :/ |
| 11:24.06 | slipstream-- | Arafangion: and all that runs fine? I mean the video is working? |
| 11:24.07 | azeem | Konky: ok, but from where? What was the filename? |
| 11:24.12 | Konky | libpam-runtime could not be downloaded -> error executing debootstrap |
| 11:24.37 | Konky | debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 11:24.41 | Konky | debian.de |
| 11:25.20 | Konky | it can neitehr install stable nor etch |
| 11:25.40 | azeem | maybe you chose a bad mirror |
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| 11:26.13 | Konky | i will try a debian.org mirror now |
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| 11:28.44 | Greek-Boy | when trying to compile with perl I get perl doesn't have DB_File module - cannot continue. |
| 11:28.54 | Greek-Boy | i downloaded that perl module and installed it |
| 11:28.55 | Greek-Boy | same result |
| 11:28.56 | Greek-Boy | :( |
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| 11:30.42 | slipstream-- | Arafangion: see what i mean about autoflashing: http://www.biosflash.com/e/bios-update-howto.htm ("Failed BIOS-Update" part) |
| 11:30.44 | fireba11 | Konky: hum ... tahts wired |
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| 11:32.05 | fireba11 | Konky: maybe try "normal" netinstall CD |
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| 11:33.17 | fireba11 | Konky: never had problems with that one .. well except one really old bow where it had issues with CD-ROM driver .. didn't find the drive after booting *lol* |
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| 11:36.31 | Arafangion | slipstream--: The situation is, in order: (1) Press on button. (2) Screen comes up about failed checksum error, requests floppy (Notice no POST or even vga-bios stuff), (3) Disc inserted (4) Disc run. |
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| 11:37.01 | Arafangion | slipstream--: At stage four, it appears that 'rescue.bin' and the typical win98 startup disc both successfully work - except the flash utility. |
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| 11:38.39 | Dhany^ | hellou all |
| 11:38.41 | int_21h | friends i need help, how to mount a usb flashdisk? |
| 11:38.51 | Dhany^ | anyone can help me inf eggdrop please? |
| 11:38.54 | Syruss | anyone know of a tool that can strip out/replace funny characters in a directory tree so that it's suitable to burn onto a cd, so ()'s and ,'s etc are converted? |
| 11:39.26 | Arafangion | Syruss: You could always just burn a linux-only CD. |
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| 11:39.52 | Arafangion | Syruss: An ext2 one, that is. |
| 11:39.58 | Syruss | Arafangion: I'm using growisofs, shall I just try turning off joliet and rockridge extensions? |
| 11:40.04 | int_21h | friends i need help, how to mount a usb flashdisk? |
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| 11:40.14 | Syruss | or do you mean create a non-iso9660 one |
| 11:40.15 | Syruss | ? |
| 11:40.38 | Danar | Eclipser, running that command has made my file system read-only. will this be remedied when it's done? |
| 11:40.42 | Dhany^ | people! |
| 11:40.58 | Guerin | Dhany^: the answer is clearly 'no' |
| 11:41.13 | Arafangion | Syruss: Yes. |
| 11:41.17 | Syruss | I think I'd prefer to make a more compatiable type of disc :p |
| 11:41.19 | caphuso | Syruss: one of the reasons rockridge and joliet exist is exactly that you can use such "strange" characters |
| 11:41.38 | Arafangion | Syruss: It's compatible across all debian systems ;) |
| 11:41.39 | Syruss | it still doesn't seem to like brackets for some reason... |
| 11:41.48 | Eclipser | Danar, you probably need to remount it read-write... probably kernel encountered bad sectors when reading some file and mounted it read only to prevent any further damage |
| 11:41.55 | Syruss | Using DRUKQ000 for /Drukqs (disc 2) (Drukqs (disc 1)) |
| 11:41.55 | Syruss | Using SELEC000 for /Selected Ambient Works, Volume II (disc 2) (Selected Ambien |
| 11:41.55 | Eclipser | Danar, check dmesg if it has any info |
| 11:41.58 | Syruss | for example |
| 11:42.20 | Guerin | see, rockridge should allow those |
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| 11:42.28 | Guerin | as should joliet, I think |
| 11:42.28 | Danar | EXT3-fs error (device hdb2): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal |
| 11:42.28 | Danar | Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 11:42.33 | Syruss | that's with -R and -J |
| 11:42.37 | caphuso | Syruss: that's fine |
| 11:42.38 | Guerin | Danar: fsck |
| 11:42.47 | caphuso | those are the iso9660 names |
| 11:42.54 | Danar | strange, i'm not doing anything with hdb2 |
| 11:43.01 | Syruss | caphuso: any idea why growisofs is changing them then? |
| 11:43.06 | caphuso | Syruss: because it has to |
| 11:43.12 | Syruss | why's that? |
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| 11:43.34 | Syruss | hmm |
| 11:43.37 | Danar | Eclipser, i thought it was going to send something to stdout when it encountered a bad sector? that was the point of the command |
| 11:43.38 | caphuso | Syruss: because of the braindamagedness of the iso9660 filesystem |
| 11:43.57 | Syruss | INFO: UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. |
| 11:43.57 | Syruss | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.57 | Syruss | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.57 | Syruss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:44.04 | Eclipser | Danar, of that I don't know |
| 11:44.05 | Syruss | whoops |
| 11:44.06 | Eclipser | -> back to work |
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| 11:44.13 | caphuso | Syruss: that's fine too |
| 11:44.21 | Danar | how do i remount it properly? |
| 11:44.26 | Syruss | I tried -input-charset, but that didn't help |
| 11:44.26 | Syruss | :/ |
| 11:44.42 | caphuso | Syruss: all you need to do is use -J and/or -R |
| 11:44.45 | Gnea | !udev |
| 11:44.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 11:45.07 | Gnea | udev blows |
| 11:45.15 | Vixenos | fuc*ing cegeda :x |
| 11:45.17 | Danar | how do i remount the filesystem? |
| 11:45.22 | Danar | as rw |
| 11:45.37 | Gnea | mount -n -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
| 11:45.38 | Syruss | caphuso: it's converting the names with any combination of those options |
| 11:45.55 | caphuso | Syruss: which part of "it has to" didn't you understand? |
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| 11:46.15 | int_21h | friends i need help, how to mount a usb flashdisk? |
| 11:46.28 | Syruss | the part when you said: Syruss: one of the reasons rockridge and joliet exist is exactly that you can use such "strange" characters |
| 11:46.50 | caphuso | Syruss: that doesn't change how iso9660 filenames need to look like |
| 11:46.52 | ibroadfo | the most recent menu update in sid seems to have removed the Debian menu from gnome's menu: anyone else seeing this? |
| 11:47.22 | Gnea | ibroadfo: sid is just plain freaking broken. have you noticed this? |
| 11:47.27 | Syruss | if I let it burn the disc like that, will I get the weird filenames, or the original ones when I mount it? |
| 11:47.30 | caphuso | rockridge and joliet provide _additional_ information |
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| 11:47.40 | Prometeo | hi |
| 11:47.45 | jm_ | it depends on how you mount it ... |
| 11:47.48 | Prometeo | anybody is from brazil ? |
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| 11:47.53 | Gnea | !br |
| 11:47.53 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:47.54 | caphuso | Syruss: depends on if the operating system you use supports joliet or rockridge |
| 11:48.06 | Gnea | joliet sucks ass, just don't use it |
| 11:48.06 | Syruss | great, cheers |
| 11:48.06 | Syruss | :p |
| 11:49.36 | ibroadfo | Gnea: no, seems fine to me... |
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| 11:50.47 | Gnea | ibroadfo: then you're not smoking enough crack. |
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| 11:52.24 | Arafangion | slipstream: I'm off to bed, this is fricking wierd, I guess I can now "aquire" the RAM and other components :) |
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| 11:52.41 | Llama | hi all |
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| 11:53.04 | possie | do i *need* the aux cable connect to the cdrom in order to play audio cd's? |
| 11:53.09 | Syruss | no |
| 11:53.21 | Llama | Did someone know installer for sarge based on one of latest 2.6 kernel ? |
| 11:53.32 | Syruss | however, I've no idea how you play things 'digitally' in linux |
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| 11:53.55 | Syruss | Llama: I think you have to do linux26 on the setup boot right? |
| 11:54.00 | possie | Syruss: does that matter then? that would mean it's a player thingy? |
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| 11:54.21 | Syruss | have a look for digital cd playback linux in google. |
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| 11:54.53 | kenger | hey there.. I need some debian help |
| 11:55.05 | Llama | Syruss, no, I need on of latest kernel that have support for my SATA |
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| 11:56.03 | kenger | I have just installed 1GB more mem in my debian, but the system can't find the new memory |
| 11:56.23 | jm_ | kenger: Debian kernels don't have highmem support |
| 11:56.42 | jm_ | possie: xmms-readcd for example |
| 11:56.48 | kenger | my bios finds the new mem, and shows 2GB but top only shows ~1GB |
| 11:56.51 | Gnea | fucking udev, i can't get it to blacklist |
| 11:57.02 | kenger | what is max mem in debian? |
| 11:57.05 | Arafangion | kenger: It'll use a good portion of it, but if you want to use the top ~200MB, you will have to compile your own. |
| 11:57.18 | jm_ | it tops at at arround 890M without highmem support |
| 11:57.21 | Arafangion | kenger: 64TB, I think, but by defualt, only some ~850MB on my system. |
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| 11:57.46 | Gnea | kenger: that's kernel dependant. about 768M although i've seen 2Gig slip by |
| 11:58.04 | Arafangion | Gnea: I seem to remember 890M on mine. |
| 11:58.13 | Gnea | 64TB? |
| 11:58.26 | kenger | how do I get debian to work with my 2GB? |
| 11:58.28 | Arafangion | Gnea: On certain 64-bit systems, afaik. |
| 11:58.31 | _Roey | Gnea, kenger: does this have to do with the kernel/userland split |
| 11:58.33 | Syruss | top doesn't tell you how much ram you have |
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| 11:58.33 | Gnea | kenger: recompile the kernel |
| 11:58.53 | kenger | Gnea: with highmem sup? |
| 11:58.58 | Bogaurd | everytime i boot my box, i get a mail from ti telling me that 'nvi saved the file interfaces... how can i stop this?' |
| 11:59.05 | _Roey | Gnea, kenger: kernel's menu config gives you a list of kernel/user memory split arrangements (1/4, 2/4, 3/4) |
| 11:59.16 | Syruss | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 11:59.19 | Gnea | kenger: yes - tell it to use up to 4G or 64G of mem too |
| 11:59.36 | Gnea | _Roey: i know. |
| 12:00.02 | Arafangion | Gnea: What does the split do? |
| 12:00.04 | Gnea | what i don't know is why udev has to suck so much ass and load up modules that i don't want loaded. |
| 12:00.06 | kenger | oki.. I will try to recompile the kernel :) but i'm kind of noop in debian :) |
| 12:00.11 | Gnea | Arafangion: what split? |
| 12:00.17 | Arafangion | Gnea: The user/kernel memory split. |
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| 12:00.29 | Gnea | Arafangion: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 12:00.30 | _Roey | Gnea: that scales, right? so it's the same 2/4 whether you have 1 GB or 512 MB or even 16 GB of RAM, right? |
| 12:00.58 | Gnea | _Roey: what kernel specifically says percentage-wise? |
| 12:00.59 | fireba11 | Gnea: got a box runnign and correctly reporting 4 GB without kernel compiling ^^ |
| 12:01.01 | _Roey | Arafangion: it governs the ratio of memory allocated to the kernel versus memory allocated to user programs. |
| 12:01.02 | Nirga1 | Hi! I just updated the kernel on a debian machine, but somehow, that system is now using grub instead of my old good lilo. I can't find instruction about updating boot records, can someone confirm there is no such thing and it's fully automatic after /boot/grub/menu.lst was updated? (The computer is in another city, I would not like to break it) |
| 12:01.15 | Guerin | Nirga1: it is. |
| 12:01.18 | _Roey | Gnea: it doesn't.. it just gives the ratio in terms of gigabytes. |
| 12:01.27 | Gnea | fireba11: in case you hadn't noticed, not all systems are identical |
| 12:01.29 | _Roey | Gnea: I've been wanting to learn more about this split though |
| 12:01.32 | Guerin | Nirga1: if the /boot/grub/menu.lst is correct, and grub is on the MBR |
| 12:01.39 | Gnea | _Roey: so go read the kernel source |
| 12:01.54 | Nirga1 | Guerin: Thank you :) |
| 12:02.01 | fireba11 | Gnea: of course .. but i don't think its possible to be stuck with less then a gig max ^^ |
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| 12:02.07 | kingmike | Hi ! Stupid question : what is the oldest book in which you saw the famous "hello, world !" program ? I saw it first in Kernighan & Ritchie's "The C language". Was it used before ? |
| 12:02.29 | Arafangion | kingmike: Probably BASIC. |
| 12:02.32 | Gnea | fireba11: yeah |
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| 12:02.43 | Arafangion | kingmike: On my C64, which was made around the time I was born. |
| 12:02.44 | _Roey | gnea, kenger, arafangion: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
| 12:02.50 | kingmike | Arafangion : any book reference |
| 12:02.52 | kingmike | . |
| 12:02.54 | kingmike | ? |
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| 12:03.09 | Gnea | _Roey: does that explaing how to blacklist modules in udev? |
| 12:03.47 | _Roey | Gnea: no but it does talk about HIGHMEM. |
| 12:03.59 | Gnea | _Roey: then i don't care. |
| 12:04.10 | _Roey | Gnea: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/11/msg00107.html |
| 12:04.17 | fireba11 | Gnea: somehow highmem sounds really like M$-DOS ^^ |
| 12:04.41 | _Roey | heh |
| 12:04.54 | fireba11 | MemTotal: 6197852 kB |
| 12:04.56 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 12:05.12 | _Roey | fireba11: where's that?? |
| 12:05.35 | fireba11 | _Roey: it's on my virtual server .. it shows the machines total ram though :-) |
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| 12:06.07 | deadcat | nope. cant get this nocatsplash to work. what do i need anyway? dhcp server? dns server? i am using a wireless card with master mode, not a linksys router. |
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| 12:07.31 | Arafangion | http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
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| 12:08.13 | Gnea | _Roey: thanks, found one similar that actually said how... rebooting now |
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| 12:09.17 | Arafangion | tables. This on x86 is 128 MB. Hence, of the 1 GB physical memory the |
| 12:09.17 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.59 | Konky | I'm a bti lazy and don#T want to compile an own kernel/install kompile iptables from tgz. does debian support the patch-o-matic addons? like the "time" module ? |
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| 12:10.29 | Arafangion | Konky: Then install a stock debian kernel. |
| 12:10.33 | _Roey | fireba11: how do you have six gigs of ram? |
| 12:11.18 | Arafangion | _Roey: Computers with many more gigs of memory exist. |
| 12:11.27 | Konky | i installed a normal debian kernel |
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| 12:11.39 | fireba11 | _Roey: don't know .. not my box .. bit it's a dual xeon 2.8 GHz it seems :-D |
| 12:11.44 | Bogaurd | everytime i boot my box, i get a mail from ti telling me that 'nvi saved the file interfaces... how can i stop this?' |
| 12:12.11 | caphuso | Bogaurd: nvi -r |
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| 12:12.37 | Bogaurd | caphuso: says no files to recover... |
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| 12:13.37 | caphuso | Bogaurd: run it as root |
| 12:14.01 | Bogaurd | caphuso: yes, the file is listed there... |
| 12:14.30 | Bogaurd | caphuso: i dont need to recover it... |
| 12:14.39 | Bogaurd | can i tell it to ignore it or something? |
| 12:15.03 | fbse | hi, I can not get x to work after upgrading to xorg from xf86, I think I made a faulkt during apt installation, I choose to keep old config files, but now xorg uses Xf86Config-4 and whatever I do, it won't start |
| 12:15.35 | Gnea | _Roey: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/11/msg00134.html :) |
| 12:16.03 | Gnea | fbse: bad. xorg uses xorg.conf |
| 12:16.12 | fbse | copying xorgconfig to XF86Config-4 is even worse, because the screen goes black and the system freezes |
| 12:16.45 | Gnea | fbse: right, they are incompatible. you need to generate a whole new config file using the proper method |
| 12:16.47 | Gnea | !setup x |
| 12:16.48 | dpkg | set up x is, like, First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 12:16.52 | fbse | Gnea: I know, but now it doesn't it uses my old XF86Cofig-4, how do I set it to use xorg |
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| 12:17.17 | EdLin | !drxx fbse |
| 12:17.17 | dpkg | fbse: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:17.20 | Gnea | fbse: no, it doesn't use the old XF86Cofig-4, X.org does NOT use that. |
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| 12:17.46 | Gnea | !xmd5 |
| 12:17.46 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 12:17.59 | fbse | Gnea: it does over here |
| 12:18.09 | Gnea | fbse: you are smoking crack. |
| 12:18.31 | gilead | hi |
| 12:18.33 | fbse | dpkg: this might work, thx a lot |
| 12:18.51 | Gnea | talking to a bot... yup, cracksmoker |
| 12:19.19 | gilead | I just did probably the most stupid thing ever. Instead of rm /usr/bin/foo* I ran rm /usr/bin/* for a second or two. All binaries with names starting with a-g got wiped out. How can I recreate them? I hope there is some way to re-install all packages automatically? |
| 12:19.22 | Shadowcat | is it better to put ACPI into the kernel or to compile it as modules? |
| 12:19.23 | fireba11 | haha |
| 12:19.44 | fbse | Gnea: ya in fact i do smoke but pot, and b.t.w. wanna bet, My startx reads XF86Config-4 not xorgconfig, beleive you me, this is why it is not working |
| 12:19.49 | Guerin | Shadowcat: if you don't know whether you need acpi, build it as modules. If you know, then you know. |
| 12:19.56 | Shadowcat | gilead: considering that you probably wiped out dpkg and aptitude in the process |
| 12:19.56 | Shadowcat | good luck |
| 12:20.01 | Gnea | !crack |
| 12:20.01 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 12:20.03 | Shadowcat | Guerin: I need ACPI |
| 12:20.05 | Exit83 | hey, im trying to burn something with arson, but i get to see these errors: http://www.elicit.be/arson . My device is right, so are my permissions (root got all permissions and the group cdrom also) I did NOT enable burnproof and my driver (generic-mmc for mashita drive) is right. I looked it up on the arson page. Anyone has a clue? |
| 12:20.07 | Gnea | fbse: pot, crack, it's all the same |
| 12:20.08 | Shadowcat | I know that much |
| 12:20.10 | Guerin | Shadowcat: so build it into the kenrel |
| 12:20.20 | fbse | Gnea: maybe I can provide you with some of that, to chill out freak |
| 12:20.22 | Guerin | Gnea: /nick DEA |
| 12:20.23 | gilead | Shadowcat: I can manually copy some binaries from another machine to get started. |
| 12:20.24 | Shadowcat | Guerin: yes but I'm also using software suspend 2 |
| 12:20.40 | Guerin | Shadowcat: means nothing to me |
| 12:20.44 | Shadowcat | Guerin: and swsusp2 has a way of not liking certaing things in the kernel |
| 12:20.52 | Shadowcat | Guerin: basically if I but it into the kernel |
| 12:21.01 | FaithX | Hey guys I want to build a cluster for samba apache postfix... any advice? |
| 12:21.02 | Shadowcat | the kernel has a way of panicing with certain modules |
| 12:21.04 | Gnea | fbse: you will find that i really don't care, and that X.org does not use XF86Config-4 |
| 12:21.10 | Guerin | Shadowcat: so why'd you ask a question if you already knew the answer? |
| 12:21.20 | Shadowcat | Guerin: it doesn't panic with acpi |
| 12:21.25 | Guerin | FaithX: employ someone who doesn't need to ask for advice. |
| 12:21.29 | Shadowcat | but that doesn't mean that acpi gets loaded in correctly |
| 12:21.41 | Exit83 | hey, im trying to burn something with arson, but i get to see these errors: http://www.elicit.be/arson . My device is right, so are my permissions (root got all permissions and the group cdrom also) I did NOT enable burnproof and my driver (generic-mmc for mashita drive) is right. I looked it up on the arson page. Can anybody help me? |
| 12:21.46 | Guerin | Shadowcat: then this discussion is irrelevant |
| 12:21.46 | fireba11 | FaithX: wait a sec .. a cluster for 3 different tasks ? |
| 12:22.25 | int_21h | friends i need help, how to mount a usb flashdisk? |
| 12:22.28 | fbse | Gnea: I don't care either |
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| 12:22.40 | fbse | dpkg: thx a lot that worked great :) |
| 12:22.42 | Gnea | fbse: how inefficient. |
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| 12:22.57 | fireba11 | int_21h: google is your friend |
| 12:23.12 | int_21h | yaiks |
| 12:23.19 | Exit83 | Can anybody help me with my Arson problem? |
| 12:23.21 | FaithX | Guerin: That's great advice... anyone who doesn't ask advice is an idiot... so I should employ an idiot. |
| 12:23.34 | int_21h | yup ive done using google |
| 12:23.46 | int_21h | but the problem is not solve |
| 12:23.49 | fbse | Gnea: whatever |
| 12:23.52 | fireba11 | int_21h: should be plenty how-tos |
| 12:24.00 | Guerin | FaithX: heh, nice. |
| 12:24.05 | int_21h | but i need guide |
| 12:24.27 | fireba11 | FaithX: sounded to me like you want a cluster that does 3 differnet tasks .. and that would be stupid as well |
| 12:24.38 | Guerin | FaithX: but you'll note that I said 'need to ask for advice' - meaning, employ someone who, if they don't get the advice they ask for, will still be able to complete the task. |
| 12:24.52 | dimir | int_21h: for third time now, did you get my link? |
| 12:25.05 | int_21h | yup |
| 12:25.07 | dimir | so? |
| 12:25.19 | int_21h | same problem |
| 12:25.23 | dimir | it's clear enough how to do it. |
| 12:25.25 | Guerin | FaithX: my point being that what you're asking for is very general advice about a very complex and specialistical topic. You might consider being less vague. |
| 12:25.27 | dimir | what prooblem? |
| 12:25.46 | fireba11 | Guerin: good point :-) |
| 12:25.49 | Exit83 | so euhm.. i have a problem with my CD burn program Arson, which i need to burn ISO files.... it doesnt work and i cant seem to find the rpoblem |
| 12:25.57 | Guerin | Exit83: so we heard. |
| 12:26.14 | int_21h | when i mount the usbdisk my system said that the sda1 does not exist |
| 12:26.32 | Guerin | Exit83: ask #debian-kde or #kde, since this is a documented, non-OS-specific error and arson is a kde program. |
| 12:26.33 | FaithX | Guerin: I take it that you admin a whole bunch of farms... |
| 12:26.34 | int_21h | ive done following the instruction |
| 12:26.38 | Guerin | FaithX: hell no. |
| 12:26.43 | dimir | int_21h: is sd_mod module loaded? |
| 12:26.44 | Exit83 | Guerin: thx for the help :D |
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| 12:27.18 | coywolf | http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/12/15/124/ << am I right? |
| 12:27.26 | int_21h | yup, i use the tail /var/log/syslog i saw the sd_mod is succesfully loaded |
| 12:27.38 | int_21h | Dec 15 20:31:18 localhost scsi.agent[6652]: sd_mod: loaded sucessfully (for disk) |
| 12:27.42 | dimir | int_21h: what you get if you: 'ls /dev/sd*' ? |
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| 12:27.53 | int_21h | sda |
| 12:28.03 | dimir | is sda1 there? |
| 12:28.25 | int_21h | now i got sdp |
| 12:29.22 | fireba11 | FaithX: so if you don't mind either explain your plans so we can comment on it or just cut it out ^^ |
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| 12:29.35 | davFr | hi! |
| 12:30.05 | davFr | how to change the module used to control a device, without rebooting ? |
| 12:30.16 | |krusty| | hi. i have problems installing a nvidia card. i have a custom kernel, and run the nvidia installer. the installer exits when trying to insmod the module. the compilation went fine (read the log), but it still cannot install it. i know the nvidia-installer uses the right source and header files.. same version as uname -r reports.. anyone? |
| 12:31.04 | bobbens | |krusty|: have you tried with a debian kernel? you might have not compiled some modules. |
| 12:31.09 | fireba11 | |krusty|: hwo custiom is your kernel ? and why did you build it yoruself anyway ? |
| 12:31.53 | |krusty| | fireball: not very custom yet. yes i build it, and installed it. |
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| 12:32.22 | FaithX | fireba11: I am buiding a general network server ... postfix, samba, apache and I want to go HA with 2 boxes |
| 12:32.36 | |krusty| | wait.. the log says no adapter found also.. i know it's an nvidia gts card |
| 12:32.50 | int_21h | dimir the only i got is sdp |
| 12:32.54 | int_21h | no sdp1 |
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| 12:34.15 | int_21h | then when u "mount usbdsk" the system said the sdp1 is not exist |
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| 12:37.04 | dimir | int_21h: plug it in and issue: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 12:38.01 | dimir | int_21h: you use udev, don't you? |
| 12:38.13 | dimir | or...you don't know. :-) |
| 12:38.29 | bactisme | Have someone docs (or How-to) on the administration of 25 computer with debian os ? |
| 12:38.45 | SlayerXP | bactisme: cfengine |
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| 12:41.21 | roberto | hi all.. i have this kind of problem: when i try to install gz or bz application with APT-GET INSTALL, bash tells me "impossible to find "file"" |
| 12:41.46 | roberto | what can i do? |
| 12:41.50 | homekneet | What do you mean by a gz or bz application? apt-get installs deb |
| 12:42.05 | roberto | no, i' using dkpg for deb applications |
| 12:42.21 | bactisme | Is it the only way ? |
| 12:42.21 | roberto | i mean for application i download from the web |
| 12:42.28 | homekneet | apt-get is a front end to dpkg |
| 12:42.29 | petemc | beep |
| 12:42.45 | roberto | .. |
| 12:43.06 | petemc | roberto: sounds like you need to read up on apt-get |
| 12:43.14 | gilead | roberto: dpkg -i mypackage.deb |
| 12:43.15 | roberto | homekneet what does it means? i can use dpkg for all applications? |
| 12:43.27 | caphuso | roberto: so you have a file like "somerandomapplication-1.2.4.tar.gz" and want to install that it apt-get or dpkg? surprise, you can't |
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| 12:43.41 | gilead | roberto use dpkg for downloaded packages, apt-get is for accessing package repositories |
| 12:43.43 | homekneet | roberto: it sounds like you're trying to install non debian package files with the debian package tools |
| 12:43.56 | roberto | oh... and how can i do? configure and make install? |
| 12:44.05 | homekneet | roberto: what are you trying to install? |
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| 12:44.18 | caphuso | roberto: maybe. read the INSTALL and/or README file inside |
| 12:44.27 | roberto | some applications like bittorrent |
| 12:44.42 | roberto | err i tried but it tells me to install with python ?_? |
| 12:44.47 | fireba11 | FaithX: if you only want to use 2 boxes just use one for webserver, one for mail and add backup features so you got a backup copy of data on the other server ... |
| 12:45.01 | caphuso | yeah, it's not like debian would have that packaged and available :-| |
| 12:45.06 | homekneet | Isn't bittorrent packaged? I see it on a sarge box? |
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| 12:45.17 | orchid | roberto: apt-cache search bittorrent, try to find a debian package first |
| 12:45.19 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm trying to prevent the module 'hisax' from loading automatically at boot time. I have a card with PCI IDs that are recognized by hisax, but II don't want to use hisax as the driver. Still, I can't seem to blacklist hisax |
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| 12:45.35 | roberto | bittorrent is not the problem.. |
| 12:45.57 | homekneet | No - but that was general advice - look for a debian package before compiling your own. |
| 12:46.10 | roberto | 4 examples lopster have no deb package on the web.. must i create it to install? |
| 12:46.37 | orchid | roberto: lopster - A Napster client using the GTK UI in Sarge |
| 12:46.39 | caphuso | roberto: except that lopster does have a deb package |
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| 12:46.51 | roberto | doh |
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| 12:47.10 | roberto | so i can find deb package for almost all the application? |
| 12:47.27 | homekneet | roberto: a fair few - yes |
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| 12:47.50 | roberto | uhm.. and downloading the sourge means compiling it before install... right? |
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| 12:48.00 | azeem | roberto: yes |
| 12:48.03 | roberto | source sorry |
| 12:48.03 | learnfromscratch | i had installed lftp ... but when i connect it says Login failed: 550 SSL/TLS required on the control channel ... |
| 12:48.06 | caphuso | roberto: depends. read the INSTALL and/or README file |
| 12:48.14 | roberto | thank u all :) |
| 12:48.30 | caphuso | learnfromscratch: the sarge version of lftp doesn't support SSL :-( |
| 12:48.35 | homekneet | Downloading the source means doing whatever the source readme/install stuff tells you - and - you will have to maintain track of updates/security releases yourself |
| 12:48.55 | learnfromscratch | caphuso: so what should i do ? |
| 12:49.03 | caphuso | gotta have to love little kids having a ball at playing sysadmin, don't ya? |
| 12:49.31 | caphuso | learnfromscratch: using something != lftp or getting a ssl enabled version of lftp |
| 12:49.41 | learnfromscratch | can i download lftp tarball and install it .. will it help caphuso ?? |
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| 12:50.08 | learnfromscratch | i mean will a fresh install from souce enable ssl support ? caphuso |
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| 12:50.35 | tzafrir_laptop | I added 'hisax' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist . It is still loaded |
| 12:50.38 | Gnea | learnfromscratch: you can use the source |
| 12:50.45 | Gnea | learnfromscratch: apt-get source lftp |
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| 12:51.14 | allgo | gilead, sounds like fun :) |
| 12:51.26 | fireba11 | gilead: uhm .. why a script ? can be done on one command line :-) |
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| 12:51.56 | gilead | fireba11: well, nobody helped me when I asked ;) |
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| 12:52.35 | fireba11 | dpkg --get-selections > /backup/packages and dpkg --set-selections < /backup/packages && apt-get install are your firends |
| 12:52.35 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, fireba11 |
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| 12:53.28 | fireba11 | i'm doing a backup of installed packages on all my servers with that sicne i don't have the equipment for full backups |
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| 12:53.56 | homekneet | fireba11: don't you need an apt-get dselect something or other in that? Can't recall properly |
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| 12:54.59 | caphuso | homekneet: "apt-get dselect-upgrade" is safer, but install should mostly work too |
| 12:55.25 | homekneet | I used to get missing files errors without the dselect part - but it was long time ago |
| 12:55.58 | gilead | thanks fireba11 |
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| 12:58.52 | fireba11 | gilead: np .. got ot from someohe in here myself .-) |
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| 12:59.31 | imterro | hi, can anyone tell me about the state of the drivers for deb 64? |
| 12:59.49 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 12:59.49 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 13:00.00 | imterro | thanks |
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| 13:06.48 | int_21h | dimir: when i type the "ls -l /dev/sd*" i got this "sda" |
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| 13:06.58 | int_21h | and their is no sda1 |
| 13:07.12 | int_21h | what is the problem? |
| 13:07.45 | Arnald | Is it OK to add plugins as a normal user with the eclipse packages? |
| 13:08.56 | dimir | int_21h: there is no filesystem no it? |
| 13:09.07 | dimir | int_21h: format it. |
| 13:09.50 | dimir | is it brand new or you need to read data from it? |
| 13:10.18 | jor | Arnald: yes, they are put in your home dir .eclipse |
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| 13:11.24 | Arnald | jor: OK, but say I install WTP in my home dir, then a wtp package becomes available, it's not trivial to delete the user plugins is it? |
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| 13:11.55 | Arnald | There isn't a 1:1 mapping between features and plugins AFAIK |
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| 13:12.17 | Arnald | It sounds like a recipe for carnage! ;) |
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| 13:12.42 | dimir | int_21h: did you get my messagee? |
| 13:12.49 | jor | Arnald: well, it won't load the same plugin it twice. I guess the stuff in the home dir takes precedence, but I've never tried :) |
| 13:12.52 | int_21h | no |
| 13:13.00 | int_21h | i reboot my pc |
| 13:13.07 | int_21h | come again pls |
| 13:13.14 | int_27h | ? |
| 13:13.15 | Arnald | jor: that's what I'm afraid of! |
| 13:13.16 | gilead | fireba11: it turned out to be impossible to do in one command, at least two lines are required :) |
| 13:13.18 | dimir | int_21h: this flash is brand new? not formatted? |
| 13:13.35 | gilead | fireba11: one downloads all .debs, the other unpacks them |
| 13:13.37 | dimir | int_27h: if so, you need to format it first. |
| 13:13.37 | int_21h | i already used in windows |
| 13:13.40 | dimir | 21 too. |
| 13:13.53 | dimir | what is the filesystem on it? |
| 13:13.53 | int_21h | :) |
| 13:13.56 | int_27h | @@ |
| 13:14.02 | Arnald | I've been trying to establish what in the workspace can be deleted/moved aroung, and had some "interesting" times |
| 13:14.04 | int_21h | fat32 |
| 13:14.22 | dimir | do your kernel support it? |
| 13:14.26 | Arnald | then there's also the matter of the ~/.eclipse directory . . . |
| 13:14.33 | dimir | OK, you probably don't know. |
| 13:14.44 | int_21h | when i mount the usb the system said the sda1 is not exist |
| 13:14.49 | int_21h | yup |
| 13:14.54 | dimir | int_27h: so you are sure it is formatted and the data can be read from windows? |
| 13:15.08 | int_21h | maybe? |
| 13:15.09 | int_21h | :( |
| 13:15.11 | dimir | s/27/21/ |
| 13:15.16 | int_27h | dimir, not me |
| 13:15.38 | int_21h | int_27h change your nick :) |
| 13:15.46 | int_27h | ohhh |
| 13:15.47 | int_21h | they confuse |
| 13:15.55 | int_27h | :) |
| 13:15.58 | int_21h | :) |
| 13:16.10 | int_21h | tnx |
| 13:16.16 | violate | hello? |
| 13:16.19 | int_21h | hi |
| 13:16.20 | int_21h | :) |
| 13:16.24 | int_21d | :) |
| 13:16.29 | int_21h | what da |
| 13:16.37 | int_21h | :) |
| 13:16.44 | violate | :)) |
| 13:16.46 | jm_ | !tell int_21h -about enter |
| 13:16.49 | dimir | int_21h: when it's plugged in, what happens if you 'fdisk /dev/sda' ? |
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| 13:16.58 | faber2 | hi everbody |
| 13:17.02 | int_21h | ok |
| 13:17.06 | int_21h | ill try |
| 13:17.17 | jm_ | cat /proc/partitions after you plug it in |
| 13:17.27 | redguy||work | you just did it again :/ |
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| 13:17.45 | faber2 | whats a good backup solution in debian? i want full weekly, daily incremental to a harddisk. from that harddisk people will burn DVDs. any suggestions? |
| 13:17.53 | int_21h | it come out >>> Command (m for help): |
| 13:18.02 | dimir | int_21h: p |
| 13:18.03 | Gnea | faber2: rsync |
| 13:18.24 | Gnea | faber2: have you done dvd backups before? |
| 13:18.30 | violate | faber2, hard drive |
| 13:18.33 | faber2 | Gnea: well i would like to have ready to burn tar archives |
| 13:18.51 | Gnea | faber2: write some scripts |
| 13:18.51 | faber2 | violate: after all these years... |
| 13:18.56 | sep | faber2, tar +crontab |
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| 13:19.19 | faber2 | may be somebody has already done something useful |
| 13:19.22 | sep | faber2, but rdiff-backup is good |
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| 13:19.44 | faber2 | sep: yeah rdiff-backup is the best i found so far. BUT it does not compress. |
| 13:20.03 | int_21h | their is a /dev/sda1, sda2, sda3 ..... |
| 13:20.04 | jm_ | check if dobackup will do what you want, it suits me fine |
| 13:20.26 | dimir | int_21h: so, just mount the /dev/sda1 to /mnt |
| 13:20.33 | int_21h | ok |
| 13:20.51 | dimir | jm_: it's not in debian :'( |
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| 13:21.13 | int_21h | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 13:21.20 | jm_ | dimir: unfortunatelly, maybe someone will read about it here and file a RFP - it's a simple Perl script + man page |
| 13:21.26 | dimir | int_21h: -t vfat |
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| 13:21.45 | dimir | jm_: yeah. |
| 13:21.52 | int_21h | mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
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| 13:22.02 | dimir | int_21h: modprobe vfat |
| 13:22.27 | int_21h | same |
| 13:22.37 | int_21h | after modprobe vfat |
| 13:22.39 | int_21h | mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
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| 13:22.52 | faber2 | jm_: is dobackup in debian? |
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| 13:23.20 | dimir | int_21h: when you did 'fdisk /dev/sda' and 'p', what was the filesystem types of the partitions: sda1, sda2 and sda3? |
| 13:23.40 | A3K | somebody throw me a bone, I am trying to get .wmv codecs installed in xine and I have the .rpm but I cannot get them installed. |
| 13:23.49 | int_21h | non-Linux |
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| 13:23.57 | jm_ | faber2: see above |
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| 13:24.04 | dimir | so what is it? |
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| 13:24.06 | Guerin | !tell A3K about marillat |
| 13:24.17 | int_21h | /dev/sda1 ? 1914209 2457017 272218546+ 20 Unknown |
| 13:24.27 | int_21h | here is the result |
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| 13:24.47 | int_21h | Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): |
| 13:24.50 | dimir | int_21h: your kernel does not support the filesystems your flash has |
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| 13:25.19 | int_21h | Linux int21h 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:25.24 | dimir | int_21h: could it be ntfs? |
| 13:25.29 | int_21h | what should i do? |
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| 13:25.46 | int_21h | i dont think so |
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| 13:25.49 | dimir | int_21h: first I'd verify what are the filesystem types there. |
| 13:25.58 | dimir | do it from windose. |
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| 13:26.10 | int_21h | i do i verify? |
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| 13:26.14 | dob2 | hi |
| 13:26.17 | korn | hello pepole |
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| 13:26.50 | dimir | int_21h: no, just get the type somehow. I don't know what you use there, I'm not a magician. |
| 13:27.02 | int_21h | :( |
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| 13:27.24 | dob2 | with the update of the kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 package, what it will do ? i mean, i use a custom kernel, not this one but dist-upgrade wants to update this package, it will modify my grub menu or something? |
| 13:27.27 | fireba11 | int_21h: why don't you just format it FAT and try mounting again ? |
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| 13:27.37 | dimir | int_21h: or if you do not care about the data just reformat. |
| 13:27.54 | fireba11 | dob2: just set package to hold then |
| 13:28.40 | dob2 | fireba11: ok, i know i can do it, but just to know if it will modify grub if i install it |
| 13:28.41 | int_21h | ok i will bkup first my data and i will reformat |
| 13:28.44 | sep | dob2, yes it will modify your grub, if you made your custom kernel the debian way that won't hurt. if you added your custom kernel manualy to grub the correct way it wont hurt. if you added it wrongly. you'll bleed! |
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| 13:29.10 | fireba11 | dob2: of course .. it will put the new installed kenrel into grub and set it as default as you would expect |
| 13:29.11 | sep | dob2, and if you dont use that kernel anyway why not just remove it ? |
| 13:29.23 | dimir | int_21h: but make sure you format it as fat32 (vfat, if under linux). |
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| 13:29.41 | int_21h | ok, just guide me |
| 13:30.06 | |krusty| | i now use a 2.6.8-2-386 kernel. debian patched. how do I get the sources incl. those pathes. using apt, i only the the 2.6.8 sources |
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| 13:30.22 | dob2 | sep: ok, i understand, instead of remove it, i can put it on hold ? it's the same? |
| 13:30.52 | int_21h | where should i format in my linux box or in mswindows? |
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| 13:31.21 | gilead | |krusty|: take a look at the pool at some Debian server, there is original sources package + diff to Debian version. I don't know if they can be downloaded in some automatic way. |
| 13:31.24 | fireba11 | int_21h: just use linux |
| 13:31.30 | sep | dob2, no, if you remove it it's gone, if you put it on hold it just wont get upgraded |
| 13:31.31 | int_21h | k |
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| 13:31.51 | Ayman- | apt-get install kernel-source ? |
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| 13:32.02 | |krusty| | gilead: man.. how hard should it be to install a nvidia card.. |
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| 13:32.17 | fireba11 | dob2: you're supposed to do that with packages you build yourself so they wont get overwritten by accident |
| 13:32.17 | dob2 | sep: ok, i prefer it, can be useful the debian default kernel :) |
| 13:32.21 | |krusty| | Ayman: then you get the 2.6.8 package, not incl. the patches |
| 13:32.23 | bouh | nvidia is quite simple to install |
| 13:32.30 | bouh | compare to ati |
| 13:32.32 | gilead | |krusty|: apt-get install kernel-version-headers-arch (eg. -k7) and run installer |
| 13:32.34 | bouh | Hi all |
| 13:32.34 | |krusty| | bouh: tell me |
| 13:32.36 | Ayman- | i have an nvidia card |
| 13:32.47 | Ayman- | but an old one |
| 13:32.47 | sep | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:32.47 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 13:32.49 | dob2 | fireba11: i didn't used the debian way to build the kernel |
| 13:33.03 | gilead | |krusty|: be sure to install BOTH *headers* packages |
| 13:33.13 | bouh | well like dpkg |
| 13:33.21 | gilead | |krusty|: or you'll get some strange errors |
| 13:33.25 | fireba11 | dob2: that's why you ened to put it on hold so it doesn't get overwritten if a security fix comes out :-) |
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| 13:33.51 | tzafrir_laptop | anybody here has any idea how to prevent my Sarge box from loading the module hisax? |
| 13:33.56 | dob2 | fireba11: yes i understand, thanks :) |
| 13:34.08 | |krusty| | ok thanks for the tips (again).. i'll give the "one liner" a try :) |
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| 13:34.17 | bouh | remove hisax form the module list |
| 13:34.21 | tzafrir_laptop | I can't seem to blacklist it from hotplug. I use kernel 2.6.12 |
| 13:34.24 | bouh | depmod -ae after |
| 13:34.35 | tzafrir_laptop | bouh, which modules list? it is not in /etc/modules |
| 13:34.41 | Gnea | tzafrir_laptop: udev? |
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| 13:34.59 | int_21h | bkup done, help me to format my usb disk |
| 13:35.01 | bouh | your /lib/module/<kernel number>/ |
| 13:35.03 | tzafrir_laptop | when will udev try to load modules? |
| 13:35.13 | tzafrir_laptop | bouh, I want to avoid that |
| 13:35.19 | bouh | you just append a .bak or smth |
| 13:35.19 | jerome | bonjour, I'm looking for a clean way to rsync some log files between 2 machines. This /var/log files are root:root. I wonder how I could set ownership to root:somegroup to syslog. any idea ? |
| 13:35.22 | Gnea | tzafrir_laptop: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/11/msg00134.html |
| 13:35.31 | Gnea | tzafrir_laptop: it already does. |
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| 13:35.56 | madona | my tomcat is running width -Djava.security.policy==/var/lib/tomcat5/conf/catalina.policy . What about /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/security/java.security policy.provider option ??? Can anybody explain me if this things have any relation? |
| 13:36.00 | madona | hello |
| 13:36.05 | int_21h | bkup done, help me to format my usb disk |
| 13:36.22 | bouh | well when a module is unstalled ... |
| 13:36.32 | Gnea | !tomcat |
| 13:36.32 | dpkg | somebody said tomcat was a reference implementation of jsp 1.1 and servlets 2.2 - for more information visit http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html, or if you still have problems to configure and run it, see http://www.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/apache/ |
| 13:36.40 | bouh | that's the way to uninstall it |
| 13:36.46 | sep | jerome, logrotate can do some such alterations iirc. and why do you want to rsync logfiles, if you only want long time history only rsync the not in use logfiles. if you want realtime duplication use syslog -r |
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| 13:36.50 | tzafrir_laptop | what about /etc/hostplug/blacklist ? |
| 13:37.00 | Gnea | tzafrir_laptop: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/11/msg00134.html |
| 13:37.07 | bouh | I do not think it work with udev anymore |
| 13:37.14 | int_21h | bkup done, help me to format my usb disk |
| 13:37.15 | bouh | if you use udev of course |
| 13:37.21 | tzafrir_laptop | Gnea, thanks, just read it |
| 13:37.36 | Gnea | tzafrir_laptop: hotplug != udev, that's what i was trying to say |
| 13:37.52 | Gnea | althought they can work together |
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| 13:38.06 | int_21h | how to format usb disk |
| 13:38.19 | Gnea | int_21h: same way you would any hard disk |
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| 13:38.40 | int_21h | sorry i even dont know |
| 13:38.41 | bouh | Gnea: sure they can work together ? I tend to think they are not compatible |
| 13:38.42 | treyh0 | why does dpkg say acpi is horribly horribly broken? |
| 13:38.49 | bouh | haha |
| 13:38.56 | bouh | you use a laptop ? |
| 13:38.57 | int_21h | i am totally newbie |
| 13:39.08 | Gnea | bouh: heh - well there are hotplug rules in udev |
| 13:39.19 | dimir | int_21h: use fdisk /dev/sda and then create partition. |
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| 13:39.42 | madona | I think this is a basic java question |
| 13:39.47 | madona | my tomcat is running width -Djava.security.policy==/var/lib/tomcat5/conf/catalina.policy . What about /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/security/java.security policy.provider option ??? Can anybody explain me if this things have any relation? |
| 13:39.48 | bouh | yes I see your point, also installing udev, require the removal of the hotplug system ... |
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| 13:39.51 | int_21h | Unable to open /dev/sda |
| 13:39.52 | Gnea | madona: #java |
| 13:39.58 | madona | ok |
| 13:40.02 | madona | thanks |
| 13:40.07 | dimir | int_21h: did you unload the modules? |
| 13:40.14 | int_21h | no |
| 13:40.32 | dimir | int_21h: but it did work before? |
| 13:40.45 | int_21h | ok |
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| 13:42.59 | timopr | a few q's..lspci shows an ISA bridge on my laptop, does this explicitly mean that I should include ISA support in the kernel? |
| 13:43.19 | Gnea | timopr: what laptop? |
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| 13:43.25 | dimir | int_21h: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Flash-Memory-HOWTO.html#partition |
| 13:43.26 | timopr | Gnea: Compaq Evo n800w |
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| 13:43.57 | Gnea | timopr: did you look it up? |
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| 13:44.00 | bouh | timopr: do you have an ISA devices to connect ? |
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| 13:44.50 | dimir | int_21h: use vfat instead of ext2 in that howto (and mkfs.vfat instead of mke2fs) |
| 13:45.00 | timopr | bouh/Gnea, I dont think the laptop has any ISA devices, its not THAT old :) if 'lspci' shows the bridge though it shouldnt mean that devices are in use with ISA? |
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| 13:45.16 | ofer0 | Can ReiserFS work on the 2.4 kernel? |
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| 13:45.42 | |krusty| | wow.. the nvidia one liner did it! 3d works now :) one dissapointment: libgtk2.0 is now on my system.. guess it for some gui-config thingy.. |
| 13:45.42 | gilead | ofer0: sure |
| 13:45.51 | ofer0 | gilead, Okay thank you very much |
| 13:45.52 | ofer0 | cya |
| 13:46.07 | madona | Gnea: * #java ##java :Forwarding to another channel |
| 13:46.07 | madona | * ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 13:46.15 | madona | What can i do? |
| 13:46.26 | int_21h | i got this ... Command (m for help): |
| 13:46.36 | jbroome | madona: register your nick with nickserv |
| 13:46.36 | gilead | madona: register yourself with freenode |
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| 13:46.39 | tzafrir_laptop | madona, /msg nickserv help register |
| 13:46.49 | Gnea | timopr: it might need it for pcmcia - i would just match it up with what's there just to be safe |
| 13:46.50 | madona | ok |
| 13:47.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:47.47 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:47.51 | tzafrir_laptop | adding a blacklist entry did not help... |
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| 13:48.48 | takatumi | tarzeau: what are you trying to get up the popcon charts? |
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| 13:48.53 | __filip_ | can i play dvd movies i debian? |
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| 13:49.29 | sep | !tell __filip_ about dvd |
| 13:49.43 | bouh | tzafir_laptop: I think I read somewhere udev do not use the blacklist |
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| 13:50.27 | boinkder | Hello everyone, could someone help me out with a linux ethernet/connecting to the internet question? |
| 13:50.33 | tzafrir_laptop | so there's practically no difference between 'm' and 'y'? I built it it will be loaded? |
| 13:50.42 | tzafrir_laptop | How do I blacklist? |
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| 13:51.10 | bouh | tzafir_laptop: you can launch a script to manually unload it also |
| 13:51.14 | tzafrir_laptop | And I'm pretty sure it is hotplug, BTW |
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| 13:51.30 | takatumi | tzafrir_laptop: /msg dpkg blacklist (that info may be outdated for etch and sid) |
| 13:51.35 | bouh | well if you did not install udev, it must be hotplug |
| 13:51.58 | tarzeau | takatumi: yes to get more people in here to install it |
| 13:52.10 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm sure about 40% of people in here don't have it |
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| 13:52.19 | __filip_ | sep: vlc and xine can only play tha moie files, in windows i can open just one file whit nero showtime i thing it is callled, is that possibel to to in debian? so i get the menu and that. |
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| 13:52.33 | tzafrir_laptop | no, restarting hostplug did not reload it... |
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| 13:54.18 | Lanix | hello !! holas !! |
| 13:54.19 | gilead | __filip_: you can play any kind of videos in Debian if you install right codecs, just like in windos (see nerim.net and rarewares.org for additional packages) |
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| 13:55.00 | __filip_ | gilead: okej |
| 13:55.02 | bouh | tzafrir_laptop: so you unloaded the module before |
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| 13:56.30 | tzafrir_laptop | takatumi, already done those. I have a Sarge system with 2.6.12 kernel |
| 13:56.31 | RichiH | does anyone have an idea how i could take over a shell that got started by a ssh connection? |
| 13:56.32 | bouh | tzafir_laptop: as you might guess, I don't have so much knowledge on hotplug |
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| 13:56.48 | RichiH | the ssh server seems not to have noticed that the session died |
| 13:56.54 | RichiH | when it does, the compile will die |
| 13:56.57 | RichiH | and that is.. bad |
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| 13:57.20 | tzafrir_laptop | RichiH, <enter><enter>~. |
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| 13:57.57 | tzafrir_laptop | RichiH, a tilde in the beginning of a line is an escape char for openssh (the client) |
| 13:58.27 | tzafrir_laptop | RichiH, dot after the escape char is for disconnecting |
| 13:58.39 | Roey | Gnea: so, did it work? |
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| 13:58.59 | Roey | tzafrir_laptop: medaber ivrit? |
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| 14:00.27 | takatumi | tzafrir_laptop: udev, hotplug, discover, /etc/modules |
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| 14:05.14 | bartden | hi, what does the profiles acl = yes do in smb.conf ?? |
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| 14:05.52 | tzafrir_laptop | Roey, yes |
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| 14:06.38 | vasundhar | Hi, Any one came across R51 Wify issues with Debian and ways to resolve |
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| 14:07.12 | bouh | vasundhar: you mean ipw2200? |
| 14:07.32 | vasundhar | yes |
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| 14:07.50 | Garda | does anyone know which dlink wlan cards work real nice with debian or linux in general |
| 14:08.04 | bouh | yes I went through, I am using it right now |
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| 14:08.20 | bouh | how far have you been ? |
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| 14:08.26 | sep | is there a way to set all packages to purge ? the idea is that i have a list of packages i want from a dpkg --get-selections. if i qould set all packages to purge then dpkg --set-selections to install the ones i want to keep the rest would be purged.. possible ? |
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| 14:09.04 | vasundhar | bouh: I tried to install ieee80211-1.1.6.tgz |
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| 14:09.10 | bouh | ok good |
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| 14:09.12 | vasundhar | But headers were missing |
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| 14:09.54 | bouh | vasundhar: so you did not intalled the header correponding to your kernel |
| 14:10.10 | vasundhar | No I had no idea of doing them... so I am here |
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| 14:10.45 | bouh | vasundhar: do you know which kernel you have ? if not "uname -a" |
| 14:10.49 | Roey | tzafrir_laptop: ok |
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| 14:10.53 | vasundhar | I started with a slight idea of installing debian, installed base , gdm , modem ... etc and now .. kernl headers was new to me |
| 14:10.56 | bouh | vasundhar: will tell you everything |
| 14:11.03 | vasundhar | I know mine |
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| 14:11.09 | Roey | tzafrir_laptop: you're in the US now though? |
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| 14:11.33 | vasundhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.48 | bouh | vasundhar: so you can apt-get kernel-headers-<kernel-number> |
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| 14:12.15 | sifi | how do I remove a package and all it's files (eg configfiles)? |
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| 14:12.47 | sep | !purge |
| 14:12.47 | dpkg | [purge] to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you allready removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
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| 14:12.57 | bouh | vasundhar: let me see |
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| 14:13.08 | vasundhar | Hmm Ok |
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| 14:13.17 | int_21h | dimir: thank yu for the help |
| 14:13.22 | takatumi | vasundhar: try /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 14:13.22 | timopr | Gnea: sorry had to go , but ok ill leave it there |
| 14:13.39 | int_21h | fireball: thank you also |
| 14:13.45 | vasundhar | So I should apt-get install kernel-headers<2.6.8-2 > |
| 14:13.57 | vasundhar | takatumi: Sure |
| 14:14.03 | timopr | another q i had was about SCSI support, i compiled a kernel without any SCSI support but when i inserted a CD into the drive, the whole system hanged :(, i suppose some drives might need scsi emulate support or something? |
| 14:14.06 | tzafrir_laptop | Roey, no, in Israel . |
| 14:14.13 | sifi | sep, thnx |
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| 14:14.32 | Roey | tzafrir_laptop: ok |
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| 14:14.57 | vasundhar | bouh: was that right? |
| 14:15.07 | Roey | tzafrir_laptop: agav, til kasam nahat be askhelon. Matai itoreru hamanhigim shelanu? |
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| 14:15.17 | dimir | int_21h: good. :-) |
| 14:15.17 | bouh | vasundhar: you can apt-get install linux-header-2.6-686 |
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| 14:15.32 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 14:15.41 | vasundhar | Thank you I will do that and meet u |
| 14:15.48 | bouh | vasundhar: takami got it all right |
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| 14:16.02 | bouh | s/takami/takatumi/ |
| 14:16.28 | tzafrir_laptop | Roey, that's a bit off-topic here. Try #israel |
| 14:16.28 | int_21h | thank you very much to dimir by helping me to mount my flashdisk |
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| 14:16.37 | vasundhar | Hmm looks like |
| 14:17.06 | int_21h | my problem is now solved |
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| 14:17.59 | dimir | int_21h: no problem. :-) |
| 14:18.03 | int_21h | gtg |
| 14:18.05 | int_21h | thnx |
| 14:18.10 | dimir | c ya. |
| 14:18.12 | bouh | !beer int_21h |
| 14:18.12 | int_21h | bye |
| 14:18.17 | int_21h | hehehe |
| 14:18.24 | fly_80 | i have installed the module acpi_cpufreq and the module cpufreq_userspace ....but when I select the governor USERSPACE I can't change the frequency !! |
| 14:18.37 | int_21h | see you tomorrow |
| 14:18.52 | bouh | fly_80: cpufreqd |
| 14:19.00 | int_21h | i'am in the office ill go home now, |
| 14:19.00 | bouh | fly_80: is the way to do |
| 14:19.01 | fly_80 | bouh: i used it |
| 14:19.03 | int_21h | see yah! |
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| 14:19.19 | takatumi | fly_80: 2.6 kernel? |
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| 14:19.28 | fly_80 | takatumi: yes , 2.6.12 |
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| 14:19.50 | fly_80 | i have all the modules needed , i thin |
| 14:19.53 | fly_80 | i think |
| 14:20.04 | takatumi | fly_80: check which governor is in use in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 14:20.14 | fly_80 | i used cpufreq-info |
| 14:20.34 | bouh | fly_80: then you can see /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu |
| 14:20.35 | fly_80 | i have performance and userspace |
| 14:20.36 | bouh | ? |
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| 14:21.50 | fly_80 | frequenze disponibili: 1.60 GHz, 1.40 GHz, 1.20 GHz, 1000 MHz, 800 MHz, 600 MHz |
| 14:21.51 | fly_80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.58 | takatumi | fly_80: scaling_governor will just have one value |
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| 14:22.08 | fly_80 | yes, now is in performance |
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| 14:22.36 | fly_80 | in |
| 14:22.50 | fly_80 | in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors i have userspace , performance |
| 14:23.00 | takatumi | fly_80: echo userspace > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 14:23.09 | angelgabriel | I have a machine that I want to use as a kind of gateway - i want to install 4 NIC cards in it - and use it to act as an internet gateway for four diffrent subnets |
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| 14:23.24 | angelgabriel | each subnet being a diffrent room |
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| 14:23.51 | fly_80 | takatumi: now i have userspace |
| 14:24.01 | fly_80 | takatumi: but I can not change the frequency |
| 14:24.15 | takatumi | fly_80: check if you have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed |
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| 14:24.45 | fly_80 | takatumi: yes I have |
| 14:24.53 | fly_80 | but only 16000000 |
| 14:24.58 | fly_80 | don't know why |
| 14:25.24 | fly_80 | available |
| 14:25.26 | fly_80 | 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 600000 |
| 14:25.33 | takatumi | fly_80: what do you want to change it to? |
| 14:26.31 | vasundhar | bouh: You want to see the Errlog |
| 14:26.34 | fly_80 | i want to change the frequency as i want |
| 14:26.52 | bouh | vasundhar: ok dump it to #flood |
| 14:27.27 | takatumi | fly_80: echo 600000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed and check if it worked in scaling_cur_freq |
| 14:27.40 | bouh | fly_80: can you cpufreqd-set ? |
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| 14:27.49 | Pimpi | there's an configuration dialog for exim somewhere, but i don't remember how to run it. anyone remembers? |
| 14:28.02 | Pimpi | exim4, that is |
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| 14:28.08 | fly_80 | bouh: if i try with cpufreq-set -f FREQ it doesn't work... |
| 14:28.10 | sep | Pimpi, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:28.10 | Zugschlus | *sigh* |
| 14:28.16 | Zugschlus | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 14:28.28 | Zugschlus | (need a shortcut for that) |
| 14:28.35 | bouh | fly_80: also with super user rights ? |
| 14:28.42 | fly_80 | yes |
| 14:28.44 | Pimpi | sep: thats it, ty |
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| 14:28.49 | sep | !drec |
| 14:28.49 | dpkg | methinks drec is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # Run it as root! |
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| 14:29.07 | vasundhar | bouh: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1293. for the Errlog of ipw2200 |
| 14:29.16 | fly_80 | i tried to change the file setspeed as takatumi said , but there is always 160000 |
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| 14:29.26 | savek | hi |
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| 14:29.43 | fly_80 | also scaling_cur_freq says 1600000 |
| 14:30.00 | bouh | fly_80: did you stoped cpufreqd also ? |
| 14:30.07 | fly_80 | no ? |
| 14:30.15 | fly_80 | should i stop it ? |
| 14:30.17 | Zugschlus | .oO( dreck means dirt in German. Not sure if I like that shortcut being associated with my most work-intensive package ) |
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| 14:30.42 | bouh | fly_80: according to the default rules, cpufreqd, will every certain cycles |
| 14:31.00 | takatumi | Zugschlus: reverse it to cerd ;) |
| 14:31.02 | carbon60 | Anyone know how to ask iptables what internal IP a masqueraded port points to? |
| 14:31.06 | bouh | fly_80: defined in the config file - set the frequency of your cpu |
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| 14:31.34 | hans0lo | Zugschlus: Dirt is what your food grows in. it's a good thing |
| 14:31.43 | bouh | fly_80: so If you want total control, you should stop it, but the best way is to define your own rules in the /etc/cpufreqd.conf |
| 14:31.49 | fly_80 | so i have to chenge the config file of cpufreqd ? |
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| 14:32.03 | jm_ | carbon60: what do you mean? did you check /proc/net/ip_conntrack? |
| 14:32.08 | Zugschlus | .oO( Und Gold findet man bekanntlich im Dreck, und Strassen sind aus Dreck gebaut. Marius-Mueller-Westernhagen, a _LONG_ time ago ) |
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| 14:32.21 | carbon60 | jm_: That might be what I mean. Hold on. |
| 14:32.31 | bouh | fly_80: also if cpufreqd as experienced anyproblem trying to change the frequency, you can check your log. |
| 14:33.06 | carbon60 | jm_: That's what I needed, thanks! |
| 14:33.13 | fly_80 | bouh: |
| 14:33.14 | fly_80 | ACPI-0294: *** Error: Looking up [PBST] in namespace, AE_ALREADY_EXISTS |
| 14:33.14 | fly_80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.15 | carbon60 | jm_: You know of a script o parse that? |
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| 14:33.45 | jm_ | carbon60: nope |
| 14:33.48 | bouh | vasundhar: oops, looks like it's the wrong header, definelty |
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| 14:34.12 | carbon60 | Thanks. |
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| 14:34.50 | bouh | fly_80: sorry, I don't really know what it mean |
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| 14:35.13 | bouh | fly_80: I was hoping for more meaningful messages to give you hints |
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| 14:36.18 | bouh | vasundhar: are you using the kernel 2.6.8 for a particular reason ? |
| 14:36.21 | fly_80 | bouh: :( |
| 14:36.23 | homekneet | Saw something float past earlier today - can't recall details. firefox and mozilla-firefox packages (sid) - is the package name changing? |
| 14:36.35 | bouh | fly_80: :$ |
| 14:36.48 | bouh | homekneet: yes |
| 14:36.53 | homekneet | OK |
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| 14:37.21 | homekneet | Guessing that the other firefox packages (e.g. dom inspector) will follow suit? |
| 14:37.23 | takatumi | fly_80: did you try stopping cpufreqd? I don't use it, changing values in scaling_setspeed works fine here. |
| 14:37.52 | bouh | vasundhar: I am not 100% sure that the last version of the ieee80211 stack is compatible with 2.6.8 also |
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| 14:38.22 | botsy_ | i have generate certificate for ssl but what's the clientcert it's the .csr file or the .crt file ??????? |
| 14:38.29 | bouh | vasundhar: you might want to try, either older version of the ieee80211 stack or newer kernel |
| 14:39.01 | bouh | for me it really works fine with, kernel 2.6.14r4 |
| 14:39.23 | bouh | and ipw2200-1.0.8 |
| 14:39.34 | bouh | on an encrypted network |
| 14:39.50 | fly_80 | takatumi: yes, now cpufeqd is stopped |
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| 14:41.21 | pawdro | hi, anyone knows any dc++ client from repos/ |
| 14:41.22 | pawdro | ? |
| 14:41.24 | takatumi | fly_80: then change the value in scaling_setspeed to one of the available freqs and check scaling_cur_freq |
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| 14:42.05 | fly_80 | uhm,there is max adn min ! |
| 14:42.12 | fly_80 | now i change them |
| 14:42.28 | fly_80 | max speed and min speed were the same |
| 14:43.03 | bouh | fly_80: typically the min max value where set by cpufreqd |
| 14:43.23 | bouh | s/where/were/ |
| 14:43.41 | dougl | is there a howto for the ati/nvidia x10 rf remote config for lirc? |
| 14:44.06 | takatumi | fly_80: what do you have in scaling_available_frequencies? |
| 14:44.16 | dougl | I was wondering if my issues may have something to do with my custom kernel but can't put my finger on what I am missing. |
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| 14:44.31 | fly_80 | takatumi: i have all the frequency available from 1,6 to 600 |
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| 14:45.16 | JRWR | how do i setup debian where a user can only use so much space |
| 14:45.20 | JRWR | disk space |
| 14:46.29 | bouh | !quotas |
| 14:46.30 | fly_80 | one question : is the module speedstep-centrino needed for the frequency scaling ? |
| 14:46.50 | bouh | !quota |
| 14:46.50 | dpkg | quota is, like, a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
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| 14:47.56 | takatumi | fly_80: what does scaling_driver say? |
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| 14:48.17 | fly_80 | takatumi: acpi-cpufreq |
| 14:48.25 | bouh | fly_80: if you have acpi-cupfreq |
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| 14:48.38 | bouh | fly_80: you do not need the other one |
| 14:48.51 | bartden | hi, how can i fine tune my lpr cmd , i want it to add a border by default , because it starts printing very close to the paper border |
| 14:48.54 | bouh | fly_80: I think you cannot have two at the same time... |
| 14:49.18 | fly_80 | so why doesn't it work ??? |
| 14:50.01 | abrotman | bartden: you mean you want to change your margins ? |
| 14:50.08 | bartden | abrotman yes |
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| 14:50.20 | fly_80 | can i try to use it instead of acpi-cpufreq ? |
| 14:50.31 | bouh | fly_80: yes you can definetly |
| 14:50.56 | fly_80 | so i have to rmmod acpi-cpufreq and modprobe speedstep-centrino ? |
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| 14:51.03 | bouh | yes |
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| 14:52.21 | vasundhar | bouh no |
| 14:52.57 | fly_80 | # rmmod acpi_cpufreq |
| 14:52.57 | fly_80 | ERROR: Module acpi_cpufreq is in use |
| 14:53.08 | bouh | vasundhar: no? |
| 14:53.13 | vasundhar | Sorry I was ranout a bit, Well No specific reason for that kernel ... |
| 14:53.19 | vasundhar | Ok Sure I will do them both |
| 14:53.48 | bouh | fly_80: you probably need to unload the freq governor |
| 14:53.49 | fly_80 | rmmod -f acpi-cpufreq |
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| 14:54.16 | fly_80 | not right ? |
| 14:54.40 | bouh | vasundhar: switching the kernel might be quite troublesome, if that's your first time. especially going to udev. If you do not need encryption |
| 14:54.55 | bouh | then the ieee80211 do not need to be so uptodate |
| 14:55.11 | bouh | you can try older versions of the ieee80211 stack |
| 14:55.14 | bouh | first |
| 14:55.15 | vasundhar | Ok |
| 14:55.20 | dougl | how do you apt-get with '--ignore-depends=slang1-dev' option that is generally used for dpkg -i? |
| 14:55.48 | fly_80 | i installed speedstep-centrino |
| 14:56.08 | fly_80 | now should i start cpufreqd again ? |
| 14:56.40 | bouh | fly_80 |
| 14:56.42 | bouh | try without |
| 14:56.44 | bouh | first |
| 14:56.53 | bouh | to set your speed |
| 14:57.17 | fly_80 | uh? |
| 14:57.27 | fly_80 | with cpufreq-set ? |
| 14:57.39 | bouh | fly_80: do not launch cpufreq |
| 14:57.57 | bouh | fly_80: try via the /sys/device/system/cpu interface |
| 14:58.03 | fly_80 | uh , i start it yet |
| 14:58.14 | fly_80 | ok, i kill it |
| 14:58.32 | pitillo | anyone know if a digital videocamera can be used like a webcam? (with a generic driver or something like that) |
| 14:58.39 | bouh | fly_80: :) |
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| 15:00.04 | fly_80 | i can't change the current governor file |
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| 15:00.28 | fly_80 | uhm...ah |
| 15:00.45 | fly_80 | I should insert the userspace governor module , i think |
| 15:00.46 | fly_80 | no ? |
| 15:01.23 | bouh | yes |
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| 15:02.03 | Roey | hello, is there a guide for setting up Apache securely on Debian Sarge? |
| 15:02.09 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.20 | Roey | says nothing. |
| 15:02.41 | fly_80 | ok,setspeed is now 600000 |
| 15:02.54 | fly_80 | and userspace governor |
| 15:03.06 | fly_80 | now i launch cpufreqd |
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| 15:03.20 | takatumi | fly_80: what does scaling_cur_freq say? |
| 15:03.37 | a14529 | good afternoon |
| 15:03.42 | fly_80 | takatumi: is it set by cpufreqd ? |
| 15:04.05 | takatumi | fly_80: it changes if setspeed worked |
| 15:04.12 | a14529 | is it possible to show the cpu usage on the shell time command? if so, how can i do it? |
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| 15:04.32 | fly_80 | takatumi: i modified the setspeed when cpufreq was stopped |
| 15:04.39 | fly_80 | then i start cpufreq |
| 15:04.44 | fireba11 | Roey: don't think so .. but default config seems pretty netaly done to me .. you need a version vor paranoids ? :-) |
| 15:04.46 | fly_80 | and now cur_freq is |
| 15:04.50 | fly_80 | 1600000 |
| 15:04.53 | fly_80 | :( |
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| 15:05.15 | takatumi | fly_80: stop cpufreq, change setspeed and check cur_freq |
| 15:05.16 | Roey | fireba11: well the thing is I get perms errors when I try to access http://<name>/ |
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| 15:05.34 | fireba11 | Roey: apache 1.3 or 2 ? default config ? |
| 15:05.36 | Roey | fire2 |
| 15:05.40 | Roey | fireba11: apache 2. |
| 15:06.07 | Roey | fireba11: so I was wondering: I had set /home/httpd/'s ownership to nobody.staff |
| 15:06.07 | fireba11 | Roey: what errors ? ansd you trying trom apache machien of from somewhere else ? |
| 15:06.16 | Roey | fireba11: and I'm wondering how Apache runs as (root? nobody?) |
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| 15:06.23 | fireba11 | Roey: www-data |
| 15:06.26 | Roey | ah! ok |
| 15:06.31 | Roey | but what if that group does not exist |
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| 15:06.48 | Roey | i.e. I looked for it but the apache2 deb package doesn't seem to make it |
| 15:06.49 | |krusty| | anyone got any experience with setting up exim4 on sarge? i'm trying to find a nice howto.. |
| 15:06.56 | fireba11 | Roey: it gets created if you install with apt-get .. |
| 15:07.05 | fireba11 | |krusty|: anythign special you want to now ? |
| 15:07.18 | Roey | fireba11: ok, lemme look then. |
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| 15:07.44 | |krusty| | fireball: well. how to setup a proper mail server.. exims man page contains a LOT of options |
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| 15:07.59 | fireba11 | Roey: also i'd advise to set www root to either /var/www/something or maybe /srv/www but not inside a home dir if you don't ahve special needs that require that |
| 15:08.31 | fly_80 | takatumi: i killed cpufreqd , i changed setspeed and then open cur_freq and cur_freq is always 1600000 |
| 15:08.46 | fireba11 | |krusty|: true .. you need to decide what pop3 and imap services to use .. would recomment dovecot for simplicity and savety |
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| 15:09.15 | Roey | fireba11: it's just a directory under /home. But I will relocate it, ok |
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| 15:09.16 | |krusty| | fireba11: i'd like to support imap.. |
| 15:09.48 | fireba11 | Roey: things in /home are supposed to belong to the user .. and www root should belong to www-data only :-) |
| 15:10.00 | fireba11 | |krusty|: dovecot can du imap as well as pop :-) |
| 15:10.17 | fly_80 | takatumi: what can i do now ??? |
| 15:10.19 | |krusty| | fireba11: ok. thanks for the tip. |
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| 15:10.33 | Ungy | gah what is the command to remount everything again? |
| 15:10.38 | fireba11 | |krusty|: so it saves you work on the config side .. zugschluss the exim maintainer recommended it .. :-D |
| 15:11.08 | botsy_ | i neeeeed help please .... http://pastebin.com/465271 |
| 15:11.35 | fireba11 | botsy_: can't help you there sorry |
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| 15:12.37 | bouh | fly_80: good luck for your problem |
| 15:13.06 | bouh | guys I have to sleep, it's late in S'pore. Have a good ... well... a good time |
| 15:13.06 | Roey | fireba11: OK, so I'm trying to set this up now, and I still get perms errors. |
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| 15:13.16 | Roey | fireba11: this is basic apache administration, maybe I should move to #apache |
| 15:13.18 | bouh | bye |
| 15:13.28 | vasundhar | bouh: bye |
| 15:13.31 | fireba11 | Roey: paste bin it please |
| 15:13.45 | bouh | vasundhar: good luck to you too |
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| 15:15.31 | NichtMued | Is there any configuration tool for BIND / BIND9 you can recommend? |
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| 15:16.52 | fatal_ | NichtMued: I can't recommend it, but AFAIK webmin should have a BIND plugin.... |
| 15:17.29 | Ungy | NichtMued, is it too hard to configure by hand? |
| 15:17.38 | NichtMued | fatal_: I did a /msg dpkg webmin, and therefore I try to avoid webmin... |
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| 15:18.03 | beanz | Is oowriter missing from sid? |
| 15:18.05 | NichtMued | Ungy: I don't know... I have never tried it. |
| 15:18.14 | Ungy | beanz, no I am using it right now |
| 15:18.22 | beanz | Ungy: Are you up to date? |
| 15:18.31 | Ungy | NichtMued, read up on it find out how you want it to work |
| 15:18.39 | homekneet | beanz: well - I have it - up'd 30 mins ago |
| 15:18.43 | Roey | fireba11: paste bin what specifically? I have this small 'site' configuration file in .../sites-enabled/ |
| 15:18.47 | fatal_ | NichtMued: if you want to look at a totally different solution PowerDNS is a handy dns server which can store the zone data in a number of different backends (file, {my,postgre}sql, ldap, ...). Makes it easy to write a web interface in php or whatever language you prefer..... There's PowerAdmin, but I can't really recommend it since it's full of sql injection holes. |
| 15:18.51 | Ungy | just updated abotu 10 minutes ago |
| 15:19.00 | beanz | Ungy: I seem to have everything but oowriter. |
| 15:19.09 | fireba11 | Roey: that would be a start |
| 15:19.14 | takatumi | fly_80: all this is while scaling_governor is userspace? |
| 15:19.20 | fireba11 | Roey: also, what error do you get ?? |
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| 15:19.25 | Ungy | beanz try to specify it and install it |
| 15:19.44 | xored | JA ICH CHEATE UND ? |
| 15:19.45 | beanz | Ungy: which package name? |
| 15:19.52 | fireba11 | NichtMued: how many domains do you neet to set up ? if under 20 just make them yourself after reading up a bit about bind syntax |
| 15:19.52 | b14ck | Which x packages do I need to get xfree86 running on stable? |
| 15:19.56 | Ungy | I gotta reboot my mounted network drives are all borked |
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| 15:20.01 | beanz | xored: mixing german and french. tut tut. |
| 15:20.09 | beanz | Ungy: ok. |
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| 15:20.18 | Roey | fireba11: http://rafb.net/paste/results/JHtvHA92.html |
| 15:20.18 | xored | whats is that |
| 15:20.20 | NichtMued | fireba11: to be honest, only 1 domain for our local LAN :-) |
| 15:20.26 | xored | amsg over all nets ? |
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| 15:20.33 | xored | sorry guys |
| 15:20.33 | Ungy | beaz apt-cache search oowriter |
| 15:20.38 | fatal_ | !tell fatal_ about powerdns |
| 15:20.38 | b14ck | /msg amsg <spam> |
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| 15:20.47 | b14ck | */amsg <spam> |
| 15:20.49 | fireba11 | NichtMued: just read up on it a bit .. take one example and modify for your needs, tahts faster .. no easy config-generate tool known to me |
| 15:20.53 | b14ck | Which x packages do I need to get xfree86 running on stable? |
| 15:20.58 | Roey | fireba11: I get, in return: FORBIDDEN. You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 15:21.02 | NichtMued | fireba11: OK. |
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| 15:21.20 | homekneet | beanz: I see openoffice.org-writer 2.0.0-2 - but all I specified was openoffice.org 2.0.0-5 here) |
| 15:21.21 | Ungy | NichtMued, seriously that takes like 1 minute to configure Bind9 for |
| 15:21.24 | NichtMued | And Sarge both provides BIND and BIND9. Which one should I choose? |
| 15:21.27 | fireba11 | Roey: ACK... that only means the dir is empty and apache is secure configured, meaning NOT listing directorys |
| 15:21.32 | fireba11 | Roey: no error at all |
| 15:21.35 | homekneet | that brings in all the others via depends |
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| 15:21.42 | beanz | nm weird. |
| 15:21.47 | beanz | thanks! |
| 15:21.48 | Ungy | NichtMued, Bind9 |
| 15:21.50 | jsz | hello, how do I mount a usb webcam? |
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| 15:22.00 | jsz | or capture an image off it |
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| 15:22.12 | timopr | ive been reading up on compiling the kernel a lot, some things are a bit unclear to me tho; when I make-kpkg the kernel image, do i need to make something else like um modules image? and what exactly does the --initrd option do (i can google this tho;) |
| 15:22.13 | fireba11 | Ungy: if you knwo a bit about it's config structure .. it's a bit picky there |
| 15:22.21 | A3K | I had trouble figuring out how to add repositories into apt-get so I put it in synaptic and now I have wma access :) |
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| 15:22.56 | Ungy | fireball it's not too hard example files are available |
| 15:23.05 | fireba11 | timopr: it's not suggested to compile a debian kernel .. the stock kernels are neatly build .. if you don#t need anything unusual they should do |
| 15:23.16 | pitillo | anyone know if a digital videocamera can be used like a webcam? |
| 15:23.17 | jsz | hello? |
| 15:23.20 | fireba11 | Ungy: i know .. made a dyndns script myself :-D |
| 15:23.30 | Ungy | heh |
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| 15:23.43 | timopr | fireba11: the stock kernel had a lot of things that are unneeded! the boot takes a long time besides it was 2.4 and i need a newer one for some supports :) |
| 15:23.52 | fireba11 | pitillo: usually not because deley for next image is just too long |
| 15:24.13 | fireba11 | timopr: apt-get install kernel-2.6.8-something |
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| 15:24.25 | fly_80 | takatumi: the governor is userspace |
| 15:24.42 | b14ck | You mean userland? |
| 15:24.51 | timopr | fireba11: um yes well actually am using 2.6.8.14 but thats not my problem, its about compiling & installing it then - whether i should make some other stuff than kernel-image, and what is --initrd :) |
| 15:24.51 | jsz | timopr: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-i686 |
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| 15:25.39 | jsz | dpkg will compile it automaticly |
| 15:25.51 | pitillo | fireba11, thanks, i thougth that if there is a driver in windows may be a generic driver for linux |
| 15:25.58 | b14ck | <3 compiling. |
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| 15:26.23 | fly_80 | going away |
| 15:26.41 | NichtMued | Maybe someone could update dpkg's message concerning bind? The documentation URL seems to be outdated... |
| 15:26.46 | b14ck | cd /usr/ports/security/portaudit && sudo make install clean && reash && sudo portaudit -F && cd && clear && echo "done done done" |
| 15:27.05 | jsz | hello, how do I mount a usb webcam? |
| 15:27.08 | jsz | or capture an image off it |
| 15:27.27 | timopr | jsz: ah okie |
| 15:28.11 | jsz | you just do that command, reboot, pick the 2.6 kernel |
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| 15:28.33 | Roey | fireba11: ok. So I have set up a /web owned by www-data |
| 15:28.41 | Roey | fireba11: and my index and all that stuff is in there. |
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| 15:29.03 | Roey | fireba11: how should i set up my configuration file to give the user permission to browse it? |
| 15:29.23 | jake1932 | apt-get install says everything is installed, but clearly some files are still missing. Is there an easy way to force it to restart the installation and delete all the old apache junk |
| 15:29.43 | fireba11 | Roey: okay .. now edit httpd.conf to set that folder as document root ... also you should not allow dir browsing if concerned about security |
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| 15:30.06 | fireba11 | jake1932: apt-get remove --purge ... |
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| 15:31.27 | jake1932 | fireba11: did that - now apache2 is missing from init.d (after re install) |
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| 15:31.55 | Roey | fireba11: oh, that's what I was missing, the documentroot |
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| 15:32.27 | fireba11 | jake1932: what the hell did you do ? |
| 15:32.44 | jake1932 | fireba11:i screwed up the removal before |
| 15:33.01 | fireba11 | then force a reinstall to be sure .. |
| 15:33.01 | Roey | fireba11: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf says it's for backwards compatibility only, so is there a more modern place to specify a DocumentRoot ? |
| 15:33.23 | fireba11 | hm .. think so .. |
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| 15:33.48 | jsz | my apt-get is broke |
| 15:33.50 | jake1932 | fireba11: apt-get install --force-all apache2 ? |
| 15:34.13 | jsz | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 15:34.13 | jsz | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:34.29 | jsz | when I do 'apt-get -f install' it does not correct the problem |
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| 15:34.49 | fireba11 | Roey: doesn't say so in my config .. you runnign unstable or testing ? |
| 15:35.05 | Roey | fireba11: just sarge. |
| 15:35.10 | Roey | fireba11: I think I just want an example of a minimal site. |
| 15:35.38 | fireba11 | Roey: document root is usually the only thing i need to edit in httpd.conf |
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| 15:35.56 | fireba11 | Roey: then just add your sites |
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| 15:36.31 | Roey | ok |
| 15:36.46 | fireba11 | Roey: use the default site as base .. .and there are plenty manuals if you need more options |
| 15:36.50 | Roey | fireba11: btw.. I was under the impression that you don't need to back up /var because programs will just rebuild the info there. |
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| 15:36.54 | Roey | fireba11: ok |
| 15:37.21 | reind | Can anyone recommend a debian dedicated server host? |
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| 15:37.38 | jake1932 | reind: linuxvds.com |
| 15:37.39 | azaz_work | Roey: They did it for virtual site purposes. I can't get to my machine now, but under the apache2 config diretory there should be avaiable and activated (or something) sites |
| 15:37.45 | fireba11 | Roey: default for www is still in var ... i usually move it to /srv/www |
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| 15:38.08 | azaz_work | Sorry I see fireba11 answered ;) |
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| 15:38.15 | fireba11 | reind: located where ? |
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| 15:38.28 | reind | jake1932 looking for non-virtual |
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| 15:38.43 | iGen | anyone used augmented reality? |
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| 15:38.55 | reind | fireba11 : US, as long as there's serial access and remote drive imaging i wont need physical access |
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| 15:39.25 | fireba11 | reind: see .. i'm from germany .. know some nice hosters here but that wohn't help you much :-) |
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| 15:39.46 | reind | fireba11 think you can suggest one anyway? for comparisons sake |
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| 15:40.35 | A3K | still having trouble with some wmv |
| 15:41.01 | fireba11 | reind: if you know what you are doing .. server4free.de you can get vServers and root servers . with a OS of your choice |
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| 15:41.13 | jake1932 | apt-get still thinks everything is fine even though apache2 is not in /etc/init.d |
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| 15:41.58 | fireba11 | jake1932: tried to add it manually ? |
| 15:42.08 | jake1932 | fireba11: -f? |
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| 15:42.34 | jake1932 | fireba11: or extract it manually from the deb? |
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| 15:43.00 | fireba11 | nah .. just add it to init.d |
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| 15:43.34 | jake1932 | fireba11: only thing with that is, who knows what else is screwed up - can't i just tell this thing to start over (without reinstalling debian)? |
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| 15:45.49 | Roey | fireba11, azaz_work: ok. Thanks :). I'm going to continue setting this up, based on the 000-default template |
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| 15:47.13 | FlimFlamMan | does privoxy support ntlm authentication? when accessing a site that uses ntlm auth, the login fails. works without privoxy. |
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| 15:49.01 | foo_ | aanyonee know sendmail? |
| 15:49.05 | NichtMued | AFAIK I can manually load kernel modules using modconf. Is there a Debian tool which does some kind of hardware analysis and automaticall loads the corresponding modules if it is safe? |
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| 15:50.07 | cahoot | NichtMued: discover and/or hotplug? |
| 15:50.13 | iGen | I REALLY need some help with apt-get, it isn't working |
| 15:50.23 | saik0 | how would I prepend zeros to a sting in bash until it's a certain length? |
| 15:50.35 | fireba11 | jake1932: true .. but a remove --purge and a new install should do it |
| 15:50.43 | NichtMued | cahoot: No problem using both simultaneously? |
| 15:50.44 | iGen | I keep getting the umet dependencies problem |
| 15:50.44 | jake1932 | fireba11: didn't |
| 15:50.53 | NichtMued | cahoot: Which one would you prefer? |
| 15:51.14 | fireba11 | jake1932: then you should probably try to find out WHY that happened .. because that NEVER happened to me |
| 15:51.16 | cahoot | NichtMued: my meager need are fulfilled by hotplug |
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| 15:51.59 | NichtMued | cahoot: Thanks. |
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| 15:54.51 | wllxtt | hello |
| 15:55.18 | wllxtt | I got a kernel problem on my Alphaserver, anyone would like to help? |
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| 15:55.42 | abrotman | describe the problem |
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| 15:56.17 | wllxtt | I downloaded the new kernel but don't know how to upgrade |
| 15:56.41 | wllxtt | I used the Snyaptic Package Manager |
| 15:56.49 | wllxtt | in /boot/ |
| 15:56.54 | wllxtt | there are two kernels |
| 15:57.09 | NichtMued | I see that discover1 is installed automatically. Are there any reasons against updating to discover (= discover2)? |
| 15:57.10 | wllxtt | but do I need to compile the new one or just use it? |
| 15:57.30 | iGen | I REALLY need some help with apt-get, it isn't working, I keep getting the unmet dependencies messages and I have tryed apt-get -f install and dpg --configure -a without any luck! |
| 15:57.30 | saik0 | wllxtt, debconf added the kenel for you in your grub menu. the one you downloaded is now the default. just reboot and you will boot into the new kernel =) |
| 15:57.43 | Cyrus | Speaking of kernels, anyone know if grsecurity is incompatible with Debian, recently had a go at trying to install and it just refused to boot every time? |
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| 15:57.54 | saik0 | wllxtt, linux-image packages are precompiled kernels |
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| 15:58.00 | wllxtt | But I am using Alphaserver, i don't have grub |
| 15:58.08 | wllxtt | I have aboot |
| 15:58.09 | petemc | does debconf edit milos config? |
| 15:58.13 | petemc | or aboots.. |
| 15:58.26 | wllxtt | but i always get into the old one |
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| 15:58.38 | wllxtt | I tried to modify the aboot.conf |
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| 15:58.54 | wllxtt | but I got error like error inserting sd_mod... |
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| 16:00.47 | iGen | I also get debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 16:00.47 | iGen | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxt6_6.8.2-10.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 16:00.56 | iGen | why is it doing this??? |
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| 16:01.00 | iGen | I really need to fix it |
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| 16:01.07 | iGen | grrr |
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| 16:01.14 | nterprais | hi |
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| 16:01.27 | nterprais | i had some quiz about make-kpkg and patch |
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| 16:02.32 | pif | hi, I need to run a proprietary binary compiled for libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22 on a machine with 2.3.5-8.1, can I achieve that with LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 16:03.22 | imterro | you could try |
| 16:03.25 | imterro | ? |
| 16:03.31 | azeem | pif: does it not run as-is? |
| 16:03.34 | kanotix-rules | set wpa_supplicant; any pointers to good up and down scripts in a Debian environment please ? |
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| 16:04.06 | pif | azeem : nope "symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference" |
| 16:04.29 | pif | it runs fine on a machine with the libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22 package however |
| 16:05.25 | azeem | pif: did you try LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 ? |
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| 16:08.03 | GNULinux | I have some troubles starting pidentd |
| 16:08.21 | GNULinux | it runs in the background, but it doesnt give the right response |
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| 16:08.25 | pif | azeem : thanks , but no cigar |
| 16:08.27 | bryndza | Does somebody know if it`s possible to configure vsftpd on a per- directory basis. ie. to configure anonymous access to write only to defined directories. Something like ,ftpaccess , maybe defined in main config ? |
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| 16:12.42 | diesel | Anyone know of a good un-delete program for Linux? My wife just called me in a panic saying she accidentally deleted some pics of our baby. |
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| 16:13.11 | pif | got backups? |
| 16:13.26 | atropin | hi |
| 16:13.27 | diesel | pif: I do of all pics, but last weeks |
| 16:13.42 | pif | for ext2 there is an undelete howto |
| 16:14.05 | nterprais | does apply make-kpkg patch files ? |
| 16:14.09 | Eclipser | diesel, next time remove write flag from the files :p |
| 16:14.30 | jor | just make a new baby and new pictures ;) |
| 16:14.34 | Eclipser | hahahaha |
| 16:14.47 | diesel | that's not funny. ;) |
| 16:15.06 | GNULinux | new baby ! :) |
| 16:15.48 | diesel | Eclipser: I don't think that would have been possible because she was transferring the files from our digital cam to the desktop...and apparently she deleted from the desktop...ugh |
| 16:16.13 | Eclipser | they were deleted from the camera in the process? |
| 16:16.30 | diesel | That is what she is claiming |
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| 16:16.38 | diesel | I am at work, so I can't tell. |
| 16:16.44 | Eclipser | umh |
| 16:16.57 | Eclipser | I don't have a digital camera but doesn't it work like mass storage in linux? |
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| 16:17.10 | diesel | Eclipser: yes |
| 16:17.30 | Eclipser | I can't see why they would be removed from the camera then |
| 16:17.49 | Eclipser | unless she used some gnome/KDE 'feature' which moves files by default when drag&dropped? :) |
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| 16:18.25 | Eclipser | I tried to undelete something once but with no luck |
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| 16:19.13 | diesel | Eclipser: That is what I thought initially as well. I told her not to touch anything...not to do anything on the computer and not to take anymore pictures until I go home for lunch. Then I will take a look at the camera. My initial thought was that undeleting might be a possibility |
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| 16:19.41 | Eclipser | yep yep |
| 16:19.42 | diesel | I am pretty sure that the fs is ext3 |
| 16:19.56 | Eclipser | ext3 can be treated as ext2 |
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| 16:20.10 | caphuso | Eclipser: no, it can't |
| 16:20.21 | Eclipser | read-only it can? :) |
| 16:20.35 | caphuso | nope |
| 16:20.40 | Eclipser | at least that's what windows ext2 drivers do |
| 16:20.48 | Eclipser | and they work fine with my ext3 partitions |
| 16:20.56 | caphuso | the windows ext2 driver doesn't attempt undeletion |
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| 16:21.26 | Eclipser | well I didn't say that that would work |
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| 16:22.09 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
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| 16:24.02 | bryndza | does somebody at least know some channel where i can ask about vsftpd ? |
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| 16:25.08 | GNULinux | anyone using ident for irc? |
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| 16:25.41 | nterprais | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.41 | nterprais | /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.4.26/apply/debian |
| 16:25.41 | nterprais | would i do |
| 16:25.41 | nterprais | make-kpkg --added_patches=2.4.26/debian --append_to_version=test kernel_image |
| 16:25.41 | nterprais | or just --added_patches=debian |
| 16:25.41 | nterprais | I find this a little cryptic... |
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| 16:25.43 | azeem | bryndza: you could mail debian-user |
| 16:25.51 | azeem | bryndza: or ask in here again tomorrow |
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| 16:25.59 | nterprais | sorry |
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| 16:26.48 | bryndza | azeem maybe i do that, but first i do some experiments :) |
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| 16:39.54 | surfdue | hey |
| 16:40.01 | surfdue | is there a way i can not allow my dad to get into my computer he is a windows guy, but he knows my pass and login |
| 16:40.05 | surfdue | lol |
| 16:40.10 | numist | no |
| 16:40.15 | numist | change your password |
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| 16:40.30 | Gnea | put a password on the bootloader |
| 16:40.44 | numist | a different password* |
| 16:40.49 | numist | morning gnea |
| 16:40.49 | Gnea | heh |
| 16:40.49 | azeem | he left |
| 16:40.56 | Gnea | oh |
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| 16:40.57 | imterro | yes a different pw is a good idea :P |
| 16:40.58 | Gnea | yeah |
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| 16:41.12 | numist | how else are you going to identify yourself to the system? passwords are supposed to be private |
| 16:41.15 | brox | anyone of you know what i need fro remote printing for cups? |
| 16:41.15 | numist | arg |
| 16:41.20 | usual | Is their any versions of debian that I can run off of a 128MB USB drive |
| 16:41.22 | Gnea | numist: morning |
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| 16:41.25 | usual | GNEA! |
| 16:41.25 | numist | havent done it brox, sorry |
| 16:41.30 | Gnea | usual: yeah! :) |
| 16:41.34 | brox | i mean on the server cups is installed - what do i need on the client |
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| 16:41.37 | usual | whats happening brotha |
| 16:41.37 | numist | usual: yeah, dd the net install iso to the usb drive, its about 120MB |
| 16:41.42 | imterro | you see if you change your pw, it will reduce the possibility of him knowing it |
| 16:41.50 | usual | k |
| 16:41.53 | Gnea | same crap, different day |
| 16:41.57 | mwelsh | is there a default keyboard shortcut in gnome to launch an xterm? |
| 16:41.57 | azeem | brox: cups as well |
| 16:41.58 | usual | roger that |
| 16:42.04 | Gnea | actually |
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| 16:42.18 | Gnea | !usb-install |
| 16:42.18 | dpkg | well, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumdrive or jumpdrive, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 16:42.29 | brox | azeem: are we talking the package cupsys-client? |
| 16:42.29 | numist | hey, even better |
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| 16:42.38 | SerajewelKS | !usb-install =~ s/thumdrive/thumbdrive/ |
| 16:42.38 | dpkg | OK, SerajewelKS |
| 16:42.39 | usual | k |
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| 16:42.50 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: rockin' |
| 16:42.54 | numist | SerajewelKS: wow thats elite |
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| 16:42.57 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: \o/ |
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| 16:43.04 | numist | well done \m/ |
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| 16:43.39 | azeem | brox: yeah, I guess |
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| 16:43.54 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: not a bad idea actually =) |
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| 16:44.35 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i knew someday that someone would walk in here asking about that |
| 16:44.42 | brox | azeem: ok i dont suggest you know what i do with it if i cant print anything - since there is no http://127.0.0.1:631? |
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| 16:45.36 | jsz-busy | I REALLY need some help with apt-get, it isn't working, I keep getting the unmet dependencies messages and I have tryed apt-get -f install and dpg --configure -a without any luck! |
| 16:45.50 | Shockcor | anyone ever hard of trouble to get into SSH from outside and password dont work and when in LAN it works? |
| 16:45.57 | azeem | brox: actually, hrm. You probably need the cupsys package as well, -client is just for printing from the command-line I think |
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| 16:46.08 | azeem | or for legacy apps, which pipe through lpd |
| 16:46.12 | azeem | eh, lpr |
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| 16:46.39 | azeem | jsz-busy: well, paste the error message to pastebin |
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| 16:47.02 | Shockcor | anyone ever hard of trouble to get into SSH from internet(password dont work) and when in LAN it works? |
| 16:47.03 | jsz-busy | azeem: can you join #flood ? |
| 16:47.14 | azeem | jsz-busy: nah, but maybe somebody else |
| 16:47.34 | jsz-busy | please |
| 16:47.39 | azeem | 17:42 [OPN] -!- Cannot join to channel #flood (You have joined to too many channels) |
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| 16:47.49 | azeem | !paster |
| 16:47.49 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 16:47.52 | surfdue | i cant get ati to work on debian |
| 16:47.56 | surfdue | it fails? |
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| 16:48.01 | iG3n | what? |
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| 16:48.13 | surfdue | and alsa sound fails |
| 16:48.15 | surfdue | how do i get also |
| 16:48.19 | surfdue | alsa |
| 16:48.31 | azeem | surfdue: do you run a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 16:48.43 | ben_vos | Hello, is there a way to figure out if a config file on my system is still the one shipped (and thereby updated automatically)? |
| 16:48.44 | surfdue | no |
| 16:48.46 | surfdue | 2.4 |
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| 16:48.51 | surfdue | latest debian stable? |
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| 16:49.00 | azeem | there's something about alsa on 2.4 somewhere |
| 16:49.03 | surfdue | how do iupgrade kernel |
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| 16:49.05 | iG3n | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1294 |
| 16:49.17 | surfdue | Linux gecko 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:49.25 | GNULinux | Anyone usign identd for irc? |
| 16:49.26 | azeem | iG3n: eh, better try in #ubuntu |
| 16:49.36 | iG3n | why? |
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| 16:49.46 | iG3n | it's the same with debian |
| 16:49.48 | iG3n | they have no idea |
| 16:49.50 | GNULinux | surfdue: www,kernelnewbies.org |
| 16:49.54 | azeem | iG3n: no, they have different X packages |
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| 16:50.02 | azeem | which is your problem |
| 16:50.05 | iG3n | it's nothing to do with x |
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| 16:50.11 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.12 | iG3n | it's when I try to install ANYTHING |
| 16:50.14 | surfdue | whats the lastest version? |
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| 16:50.21 | azeem | iG3n: right, because your X packages are broken |
| 16:50.26 | Ronin | iG3n: #ubuntu would be your best bet if you dont run debian |
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| 16:50.27 | iG3n | after I installed webcamd it happened |
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| 16:50.43 | azeem | iG3n: did you install it with dpkg -i ? |
| 16:50.46 | _ganymed | hello. i know, this is not quite the right topic for here, but does anybody know good offers for webspace running on debian 3.1? |
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| 16:50.54 | azeem | iG3n: or from a different repo than Ubuntu's ? |
| 16:50.59 | iG3n | it happened with debian too and I got help with it but I forget how I fixed it |
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| 16:51.04 | iG3n | no |
| 16:51.10 | stew | iG3n: have you run apt-get -f install? |
| 16:51.10 | iG3n | apt-get install webcamd |
| 16:51.15 | iG3n | yes |
| 16:51.21 | iG3n | no lock |
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| 16:51.26 | iG3n | luck* |
| 16:51.31 | iG3n | also, dpkg --config -a |
| 16:51.40 | iG3n | apt-get -f remove |
| 16:51.43 | iG3n | nothing :( |
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| 16:52.29 | iG3n | any ideas? |
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| 16:52.47 | azeem | iG3n: yes, try asking in #ubuntu |
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| 16:52.49 | stew | iG3n: check ubuntu's bug tracking database |
| 16:52.59 | Roey | azaz_work: hi |
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| 16:53.04 | Roey | I have a sample Web configuration file at http://rafb.net/paste/results/XC4dUb98.html . It lists the /web/sample/ directory's contents, when I go to http://localhost/, which I don't want it to do; also, choosing any file in this directory listing returns back a page saying "file not found" (indeed, as the link omits the path to the file). What am I doing wrong here? |
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| 16:53.17 | ciphergoth | I get this error: Warning: Color name "green" is not defined |
| 16:53.17 | azeem | iG3n: webcamd depends on xawtv, maybe that is broken |
| 16:53.30 | ciphergoth | when I run for example "xeyes -fg green" |
| 16:53.32 | iG3n | so how do I fix that? |
| 16:53.44 | ciphergoth | when I strace the process, it doesn't even try to open rgb.txt |
| 16:53.54 | stew | ciphergoth: do you have an /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 16:53.56 | ciphergoth | I'm running the backports.org version of the x.org server under sarge |
| 16:54.12 | brox | Roey: try #apache |
| 16:54.43 | azeem | iG3n: I don't know, maybe you can't |
| 16:54.46 | stew | ciphergoth: you might need to reinstall x11-common with confmiss |
| 16:54.46 | ciphergoth | stew: for some weird reason I had to put one there myself |
| 16:54.47 | ben_vos | Hello, is there a way to figure out if a config file on my system is still the one shipped (and thereby updated automatically)? |
| 16:54.49 | azeem | iG3n: do you run Breezy? |
| 16:54.54 | ciphergoth | what's confmiss? |
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| 16:55.01 | stew | ciphergoth: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:55.06 | ciphergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.11 | stew | ciphergoth: but if you put one there yourself, confmiss wont help you |
| 16:55.25 | stew | ciphergoth: well, it might help to remove yours and install with confmiss |
| 16:55.37 | ciphergoth | that is very, very helpful. Thank you. |
| 16:56.20 | Roey | brox: I did, no one answered. Thanks anywya |
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| 16:58.11 | ciphergoth | stew: I now have an rgb.txt file as I should but xeyes is still making the same complaint |
| 16:58.32 | ciphergoth | and as I say, strace reveals that it never even tries to open rgb.txt |
| 16:59.16 | stew | ciphergoth: did you try restarting x? |
| 16:59.38 | jdjarvis | ./quit |
| 16:59.49 | ciphergoth | ...no. That file is read by the X server? That's my mistake then - I assumed the clients read it! |
| 16:59.55 | Shockcor | anyone ever hard of trouble to get into SSH from internet(password dont work) and when in LAN it works? |
| 17:00.00 | ciphergoth | Back in a bit when I've tried that! |
| 17:00.03 | stew | ciphergoth: (i'm not sure) |
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| 17:00.32 | ciphergoth | stew: it makes sense |
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| 17:00.58 | ciphergoth | I don't remember that bit of the X protocol, but after a decade or so I'm a bit rusty... |
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| 17:02.01 | ciphergoth | stew: there's a suspicious looking error in the server logs. Restarting server now - see you in a bit! |
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| 17:02.09 | iostream | Hi... Is there any reason why is should not be possible to swap /home & /var (/home is big, /var is small, but i need /var to be big). I'm thinking of the following: Shut down services. Move files form /home to /var, move files from /var to /home, change /etc/fstab, remount drives, start services.. Any reason this should not be possible? |
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| 17:02.52 | surfdue | how can i tell what version of xorg that i use? |
| 17:03.00 | lepton | iostream: it should be possible. just be careful not to overwrite files |
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| 17:03.05 | stew | iostream: doing it from a livecd (so you are sure nothing is accessing either) would be safer |
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| 17:04.07 | iostream | stew: okay, ill think about it. |
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| 17:04.20 | SimonRaven | surfdue: X -version |
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| 17:04.50 | quiet | can anoyone point me do some docs for how to make perl/cgi work with apache on debian? |
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| 17:05.06 | iostream | lepton, stew: Would cp -R -p be sufficient? Anything about other files stored in /var i should be carefull about? |
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| 17:08.49 | sussudio | !fist *!*@*.ma |
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| 17:09.56 | iG3n | for the system motd, how can I make it so you have to press enter before you login |
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| 17:10.07 | azeem | iG3n: why do you need that? |
| 17:10.11 | azeem | iG3n: I don't think you can |
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| 17:10.29 | Daedalus_ | You want to press enter _before_ entering username/pass? |
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| 17:11.07 | iG3n | you know to like agree to rules |
| 17:11.18 | iG3n | after you login |
| 17:11.34 | iG3n | before you can type anything you have to type y/n |
| 17:11.36 | ideafix | agreed |
| 17:11.36 | theD3viL | whats the best multimedia player (movies & dvds) for kde? |
| 17:11.38 | iG3n | at the shell |
| 17:12.15 | Daedalus_ | iG3n: can you just have it exec "less /etc/motd" as part of the .login scripts or something? |
| 17:12.16 | kyncani | iG3n: i think it would be a great annoyance, but you could do that in /etc/bash.bashrc i think |
| 17:12.24 | ideafix | greed makes the world go around go around go around |
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| 17:13.07 | ideafix | do ypu know this song from lisa minety ? |
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| 17:13.13 | __filip_ | somebody know where i can get gparted, i can not get the .deb from there homesite ? |
| 17:13.13 | cr3 | is the proper way of removing a package: dpkg -P package |
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| 17:15.10 | mkl1525 | Hi, if I'd like to have the first 5 entries of "ls -lhr --sort=time" - how could I do this? |
| 17:15.45 | SimonRaven | | head -n 5 |
| 17:15.49 | Daedalus_ | mkl1525: | head -5 |
| 17:15.58 | Daedalus_ | mkl1525: err with the -n |
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| 17:16.03 | iG3n | how do I do that? |
| 17:16.13 | ideafix | shouldnt debian use the sudo metoth like ubuntu just to protect the computer from its user ? |
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| 17:16.14 | aimtrainer | hi! |
| 17:16.33 | honschu | Hi, I have a directory with 500 mails, each file a mail. Is it possible to transform these mails into one mbox file? |
| 17:16.38 | aimtrainer | just installe ace-ofpenguin as it somehow disapperared but cant start anything |
| 17:16.48 | Daedalus_ | iG3n: go check out the syntax for bash.bashrc or .login It's just a shell script really |
| 17:16.52 | tyresejones | I want to build a system that links 4 classrooms together - i have a dell poweredge, and i wan to place 5 NICs in it. One to connect to a switch in each of the classrooms, and one to connect directly to the internet. I want each machine to be able to ping, and connect to every other machine, for things like scp transfers, and I want to use the poweredge to make sure that the internet connection is shared equally be |
| 17:16.53 | tyresejones | tween the four subnets. Is this possible? |
| 17:16.56 | keikoz | bonjour |
| 17:16.57 | aimtrainer | synaptic says it is intalled |
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| 17:17.28 | Daedalus_ | tyresejones: absolutely. Assuming you have enough physical spoace for the 5 network cards |
| 17:17.34 | tyresejones | Read is it possible, as, how much work is it! lol |
| 17:17.48 | tyresejones | Daedalus_, yes, I have enough space for up to eight cards |
| 17:17.53 | SimonRaven | not a lot |
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| 17:18.35 | Daedalus_ | tyresejones: not too much work. Once you get one subnet up, the others are simple. |
| 17:18.42 | mkl1525 | Daedalus_, thanks for the suggestion |
| 17:19.00 | iG3n | Daedalus_: where do I find that? |
| 17:19.09 | tyresejones | I'm just worried about each subnet communicating with every other subnet |
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| 17:20.15 | tyresejones | I don't want to use NAT, because that means that one subnet will only be able to see one machine on the other subnets |
| 17:20.24 | zulu42 | Hi, I need to run alsaconf to use my sound board at each reboot, I suspect the installing of discover to have mess my conf file, so I desintalled discover but the problem persists. Do someone know something simple to do to make my soundboard work definitively ? :) thx |
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| 17:20.46 | Pimpi | can i mount /proc in a chroot without installin mount in that chroot? |
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| 17:21.33 | ladyisabel77 | my screen is decentred.. i use xvidtune but at reboot the situation is the same? what can i do? |
| 17:22.44 | ladyisabel77 | my screen is decentred.. i use xvidtune but at reboot the situation is the same. what can i do? |
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| 17:22.48 | tyresejones | Daedalus_, My plan thus far... is to do a basic debian installation, and get the internet working on the main machine., *called unimatrix001* And then add the NIC one at a time |
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| 17:23.07 | zulu42 | In fact all my snd_* modules are loaded properly, xmms run like a charm but no sound! (all level are correct in alsamixer), what more do alsaconf than loading the snd* modules? |
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| 17:23.17 | Gnea | !tell ladyisabel77 about repeat |
| 17:23.20 | VolVE | Anyone got maildrop experience? I'm having an issue with 1 user's mailfilter file being logged as getting included, (from maildroprc) but not actually getting parsed (no log output from the user's file)... |
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| 17:23.50 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: use the proper monitor settings, not just guesses |
| 17:24.03 | ladyisabel77 | i do it |
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| 17:24.13 | omiron | Hello |
| 17:24.14 | ladyisabel77 | but nothing |
| 17:24.15 | Gnea | what monitor is it? |
| 17:24.28 | ladyisabel77 | 14 inch samtron |
| 17:24.39 | Gnea | samtron? |
| 17:24.45 | ladyisabel77 | yes |
| 17:24.48 | Gnea | i get samtron made over 100 monitors that were 14 inches |
| 17:24.51 | Gnea | er, i bet |
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| 17:25.03 | ladyisabel77 | 56e |
| 17:25.34 | ladyisabel77 | do you know xvidtune? |
| 17:25.46 | Gnea | http://www.samtron.com/product/56e_fea.html that one? |
| 17:26.24 | ladyisabel77 | yes perheps |
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| 17:26.45 | omiron | åÓÔØ ÒÕÓÓËÉÅ ÔÕÔ ??? |
| 17:26.50 | nydust | hi.. |
| 17:27.03 | nydust | How do i install the nforce drivers on debian 3.1? |
| 17:27.04 | Gnea | it is or it isn't |
| 17:27.08 | iG3n | Daedalus_: where do I find that? |
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| 17:27.24 | nydust | It ask for the kernel source. |
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| 17:27.28 | ladyisabel77 | yes it is |
| 17:27.30 | Gnea | nydust: use 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:27.30 | sharkito | alguien sabe castellano?(español) |
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| 17:27.32 | sharkito | alguien sabe castellano?(español) |
| 17:27.37 | Gnea | !es |
| 17:27.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:27.40 | nydust | So how do i install the kernel source? |
| 17:27.47 | Tortel | !nv |
| 17:27.48 | dpkg | nv is, like, the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
| 17:27.53 | Tortel | oops |
| 17:28.00 | Pimpi | nydust: whats your kernel? |
| 17:28.13 | Pimpi | nydust: uname -r |
| 17:28.13 | nydust | the default on 3.1 |
| 17:28.18 | sharkito | thx |
| 17:28.23 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 17:28.23 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 17:29.01 | nydust | 2 sex i will check |
| 17:29.05 | nydust | 2 sec ;) |
| 17:29.11 | Tortel | :P |
| 17:29.14 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: what do you have set for HorizSync and VertRefresh? |
| 17:29.18 | Tortel | i told dpkg to tell you about nvidia |
| 17:29.21 | Shockcor | anyone ever hard of trouble to get into SSH from internet(password dont work) and when in LAN it works? |
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| 17:29.46 | Shockcor | please |
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| 17:29.59 | Gnea | Shockcor: it's probably firewalled |
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| 17:30.12 | Shockcor | no |
| 17:30.16 | omiron | )) |
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| 17:30.25 | Shockcor | i can connect its just the password that dosent seems to work |
| 17:30.53 | Gnea | talk to the administrator |
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| 17:30.55 | ladyisabel77 | HorizSync30-57 |
| 17:30.55 | ladyisabel77 | VertRefresh43-72 |
| 17:31.06 | Shockcor | i am the damn admin |
| 17:31.20 | nydust | its the nforce2 lan drivers that is importent not the graphic couse i will not use X |
| 17:31.30 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: try change it to: 30-55 and 50-120 |
| 17:31.37 | Pimpi | Shockcor: sshd is very configurable, it might refuse the connection |
| 17:31.40 | Tortel | well, I have no idea then.... |
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| 17:32.12 | Tortel | How do I install/use a kernel module file (.ko)? |
| 17:32.54 | Pimpi | nydust: so, whats your kernel version? |
| 17:33.07 | nydust | 2.4.27 |
| 17:33.30 | Tortel | !SNOW! |
| 17:33.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, snow is cold, or white, or comes down in flakes, or cocaine |
| 17:33.32 | Gnea | Tortel: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Module-HOWTO/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html |
| 17:33.32 | Tortel | :D |
| 17:33.36 | Tortel | ty |
| 17:33.40 | Gnea | np |
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| 17:33.46 | Pimpi | nydust: that was returned by uname -r? |
| 17:33.47 | penguin_ | Package openoffice.org-help-en is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:33.49 | penguin_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 17:33.49 | Pimpi | i doubt |
| 17:33.51 | penguin_ | is only available from another source |
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| 17:34.00 | penguin_ | ??? |
| 17:34.05 | nydust | 2.4.27-386 |
| 17:34.08 | Gnea | Shockcor: so you're locked out of your own box? |
| 17:34.22 | nydust | yeah |
| 17:34.37 | nydust | pimpi: So what next? ;) |
| 17:34.40 | Gnea | nydust: 2.6.8 has the newer nforce drivers |
| 17:34.47 | Pimpi | nydust: besides, you might want to use another kernel... |
| 17:34.53 | Shockcor | cant ssh from internet |
| 17:34.55 | Shockcor | but lan works |
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| 17:35.04 | Gnea | Shockcor: hosts.deny |
| 17:35.05 | Shockcor | refusing all my password |
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| 17:35.09 | Pimpi | configured for 686 |
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| 17:35.14 | Gnea | Shockcor: or securetty |
| 17:35.22 | Gnea | Shockcor: are you trying to login as root? |
| 17:35.34 | Gnea | Shockcor: and did you make sure the account name is spelled correctly? |
| 17:35.36 | markl__ | does anyone here know where in /proc to find a process' cpu usage (like what is in "top") |
| 17:35.40 | dougl | anyone have time to chat about lirc/x10/debian.sid? |
| 17:35.46 | nydust | gnea: how do i update the kernel? |
| 17:35.51 | Shockcor | yeah account name is ok |
| 17:36.04 | Shockcor | works 100% with a lan pc but not with internet pc |
| 17:36.06 | Gnea | dougl: just state your problem, someone might know what you're talking about |
| 17:36.23 | dougl | Gnea: thanks |
| 17:36.29 | penguin_ | Package openoffice.org-help-en is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:36.30 | penguin_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 17:36.30 | penguin_ | is only available from another source |
| 17:36.38 | Gnea | !kernel-upgrade |
| 17:36.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, kernel-upgrade is at http://24.197.159.102/~deego/pub/debian/kernel-upgrading-guide/ |
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| 17:36.58 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 17:36.58 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 17:37.07 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: any luck? |
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| 17:37.22 | Eulex | penguin_, that file is just in stable, not in testing or unstable |
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| 17:37.48 | sdakota | hi |
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| 17:38.14 | sdakota | i'm having problems with my ftp server - after I make a connection, it gets closed right away (also localhosts) |
| 17:38.14 | dougl | when i do "$ irrecord x10.conf" = "irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions)" does lirc need special kernel config? |
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| 17:38.26 | Gnea | nydust: this one seems like it's alive: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
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| 17:38.29 | penguin_ | SO you cant get office help in testing? |
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| 17:38.41 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
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| 17:38.51 | norskfjord | how can I capture images off a usb webcam with console? |
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| 17:38.58 | norskfjord | and save them to my /var/www folder |
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| 17:39.08 | penguin_ | I guess office is still a work in progress. |
| 17:39.09 | Gnea | dougl: you have to have some special driver modules loaded and make sure your IR hardware is setup via the bios if it's through a serial port |
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| 17:39.15 | stew | penguin_: iirc the help was not dfsg free |
| 17:39.19 | stew | penguin_: ask #debian-oo |
| 17:39.21 | sdakota | anyone: i'm having problems with my ftp server - after I make a connection, it gets closed right away (also localhosts) |
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| 17:39.33 | Gnea | norskfjord: camE |
| 17:39.37 | sdakota | stew: did you check anything for the bugreport program? |
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| 17:39.50 | stew | sdakota: huh? |
| 17:39.52 | sdakota | stew: where to e-mail the file? my mailserver is working now, by the way ^^ |
| 17:39.56 | Gnea | sdakota: what ftp server? |
| 17:40.02 | sdakota | stew: you know, the bugreport for netselect-apt |
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| 17:40.27 | sdakota | Gnea: my ftp server, for dazjorz.com - not sure if the dns works already - you should probably access it as 82.168.141.105 or try ftp.dazjorz.com if it works |
| 17:40.29 | Gnea | sdakota: just install reportbug and run that |
| 17:40.39 | sdakota | Gnea: I did, but the mailing failed |
| 17:40.41 | dougl | Gnea: it is usb and the kernel modules give me...I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value |
| 17:40.41 | dougl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.41 | dougl | However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value |
| 17:40.42 | dougl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.42 | dougl | I am confused by this discrepancy, and am halting. |
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| 17:40.45 | stew | sdakota: you shoudl be able to send it with mutt -F /tmp/oldbugreport |
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| 17:40.58 | dougl | sorry |
| 17:41.00 | penguin_ | What is dfsg free mean? |
| 17:41.06 | sdakota | stew: i'll try |
| 17:41.06 | Gnea | !paste |
| 17:41.06 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:41.30 | dougl | I should know better... I am sorry. |
| 17:41.34 | Gnea | sdakota: i shall rephrase - what ftp daemon software? |
| 17:41.37 | Eulex | !dfsg |
| 17:41.37 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 17:41.55 | alephant | hi all |
| 17:41.56 | sbk | Folks -- not too familiar with SATA/related issues. My goal is to run debian/stable on a machine that's going to be doing somewhat I/O bound tasks (periodic compiles of a large source base.) It has a SATA disk, and I've reset the BIOS to legacy mode, so I can now get the (business-card installer) iso CD running. Assuming I continue to install debian-stable in legacy mode, my question is: (1) Is it worth switching to SATA mode f |
| 17:41.56 | sbk | or my machine? (2) If yes, is this something I can transparently do by bumping up some kernel version? (and 'course, flipping the BIOS back to SATA mode?) |
| 17:42.01 | alephant | I'm trying to build the most-current gtkpod |
| 17:42.04 | sdakota | Gnea: proftpd-mysql |
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| 17:42.29 | Gnea | sbk: use the linux26 option |
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| 17:42.50 | Gnea | sdakota: have you setup virtual accounts? |
| 17:42.53 | alephant | and configure complains "Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0 gobject-2.0) were not met |
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| 17:43.03 | sdakota | Gnea: I did, I followed this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/proftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting |
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| 17:43.24 | Gnea | sdakota: ok, have you ever setup proftpd in standard mode before? |
| 17:43.26 | alephant | But I've got glib2 |
| 17:43.34 | sdakota | Gnea: No |
| 17:43.44 | alephant | why doesn't pkg-config see these libs? |
| 17:43.45 | Eulex | alephant, you need the dev packages |
| 17:43.46 | nydust | how do i mount a ext3 hdd? |
| 17:43.54 | alephant | Eulex - eureka! |
| 17:44.01 | sdakota | Gnea: I usually always use guides, except when there's no guide available on what I want |
| 17:44.11 | sdakota | Gnea: it's the best way to avoid errors |
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| 17:44.14 | Gnea | sdakota: get that up and running first, then go back to the whole vhost bit |
| 17:44.19 | sbk | Gnea: oh, I didn't realize there was something like this on the business-card iso, will read up on it -- thanks. |
| 17:44.22 | sdakota | Gnea: ...usually. |
| 17:44.42 | Eulex | nydust, man mount |
| 17:44.45 | Gnea | sdakota: because you're going to have to know how proftpd operates in a 'normal' environment before trying to use it in a less commonly used one |
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| 17:45.12 | sdakota | Gnea: so temporarily move the configuration file to a backup location, then move the default file into the normal location |
| 17:45.16 | Zta | I've got a problem with the shockwave flash plugin in firefox. Certain fonts aren't displayed. Anyone got a clue what can be wrong? I've tried different versions of firefox and even upgrade to newsest flash plugin. Can it perhaps be pango or ? |
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| 17:45.23 | Gnea | sbk: it should be - i don't know for sure, i usually use the netinst iso |
| 17:45.31 | Logann | http://www.logann34.ht.cx <--- get to !!! |
| 17:45.32 | alephant | Eulex - thanks. That "eureka" should've been a "doh" ;-) |
| 17:45.37 | SerajewelKS | Zta: maybe you're missing the fonts? |
| 17:45.40 | Gnea | sdakota: yup |
| 17:45.44 | Logann | http://www.logann34.ht.cx <--- get to !!! |
| 17:45.44 | zulu42 | my /etc/init.d/alsa does not work.... anyone know how are properly loaded alsa stuff in debian? |
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| 17:45.47 | Eulex | nydust, or, just like you do with most file systems. mount -t ext3 /dev/whatever /mountpoint |
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| 17:45.51 | Eulex | alephant, yw :) |
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| 17:46.01 | Gnea | sdakota: and look at the logfiles when logging in |
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| 17:46.22 | nydust | ups it was a reiser fs |
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| 17:46.37 | Zta | SerajewelKS, Probably, but I've got tons of fonts installed. |
| 17:46.40 | sdakota | Gnea: I did - the only thing was a "connection closed" message |
| 17:46.48 | sdakota | Gnea: not even a "connection opened" message... |
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| 17:47.11 | Gnea | sdakota: should be a way to increase syslog verbosity |
| 17:47.19 | nydust | thanks |
| 17:47.20 | Eulex | nydust, oh. just do fdisk -l to check the filesystems of all available partitions. |
| 17:47.22 | sdakota | Gnea: It didn't close the connection this time. |
| 17:47.25 | nydust | no it works |
| 17:47.32 | sdakota | Gnea: 220 ProFTPD 1.2.10 Server (Debian) [192.168.1.10] |
| 17:47.46 | Eulex | nydust, I know. just for next time. |
| 17:48.00 | sdakota | Gnea: so the problem is somewhere in proftpd.conf - |
| 17:48.05 | sdakota | Gnea: I'll try to correct that. |
| 17:48.15 | Pimpi | can i mount /proc in a chroot without installing mount in that chroot? |
| 17:48.18 | zulu42 | !alsa |
| 17:48.18 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 17:48.26 | Gnea | sdakota: the configuration directives are very well explained at www.proftpd.org |
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| 17:49.16 | sdakota | Gnea: Omg - Hit me. |
| 17:49.22 | SimonRaven | Pimpi: have you tried it yet? |
| 17:49.32 | sdakota | Gnea: Sorry for your time. I forgot to change the MySQL password in proftpd.conf. -.-; |
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| 17:50.27 | numist | no worries, I've used a lot more of gnea's time before |
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| 17:50.38 | numist | with me it was totally wasted too, if only I'd known about dexconf at the time |
| 17:50.40 | ladyisabel77 | nothing |
| 17:50.41 | Pimpi | SimonRaven: i tried a few things. didn't work so far, but probably somebody knows a solution i havn't figured yet... |
| 17:50.53 | Pimpi | SimonRaven: thats basically why i ask... |
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| 17:51.16 | SimonRaven | so you haven't tried say mount /some/chrooted/dir/proc proc proc yet |
| 17:51.40 | S4nD3r | I have a doubt. Is possible to install OpenOffice 2.0 in sarge 3.1 ?? |
| 17:51.50 | SimonRaven | backports |
| 17:52.00 | Pimpi | SimonRaven: didn't really work for me |
| 17:52.23 | Pimpi | that was what i reid first |
| 17:52.24 | Eulex | !backport |
| 17:52.25 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 17:52.26 | Pimpi | tried |
| 17:52.36 | sbk | Gnea: using linux26 on the business-card iso works perfectly, thanks much for the info. |
| 17:52.40 | SimonRaven | er, got the arguments flipped |
| 17:52.45 | azeem | S4nD3r: www.backports.org |
| 17:52.46 | ladyisabel77 | my screen is decentred. what can i do? |
| 17:52.50 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 17:52.50 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:52.58 | azeem | ladyisabel77: please /msg the bot |
| 17:53.03 | SimonRaven | and forgot a -t ... |
| 17:53.13 | myren | am i supposed to put my cover letter in the email for a job application, or should i write a brief and attach the cover letter? (ot) |
| 17:53.17 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: did you forget something? |
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| 17:53.24 | ladyisabel77 | i do all |
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| 17:53.32 | myren | Hello Senior Fiend. |
| 17:53.32 | S4nD3r | Hum ?! azeem |
| 17:53.32 | Gnea | you what? |
| 17:53.44 | pygrammer | yay -- two hour early dismissal :D |
| 17:53.47 | Gnea | hey it's Overfiend |
| 17:53.54 | azeem | S4nD3r: to get OOo2 on Sarge, use the backports.org repository |
| 17:53.58 | Overfiend | 'tis |
| 17:54.03 | Gnea | indeed |
| 17:54.04 | ladyisabel77 | if i put a single value? |
| 17:54.17 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: are you a bot? |
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| 17:54.41 | ladyisabel77 | what? |
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| 17:54.51 | azeem | ladyisabel77: what is your problem? |
| 17:55.02 | ladyisabel77 | my screen is decentred! |
| 17:55.04 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: did you try the values i said before? |
| 17:55.35 | ladyisabel77 | yes Gnea |
| 17:55.37 | ladyisabel77 | nothing |
| 17:55.43 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: did you restart X? |
| 17:55.49 | ladyisabel77 | yes |
| 17:55.51 | Gnea | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 17:55.59 | ladyisabel77 | i have rebooted |
| 17:56.23 | Gnea | what resolution is it set to? |
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| 17:56.46 | ladyisabel77 | 1024-768 |
| 17:56.49 | SimonRaven | Pimpi: works fine BTW |
| 17:57.14 | SimonRaven | mount -t proc proc /some/dir/proc |
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| 17:57.27 | SimonRaven | then chroot /some/dir /bin/bash |
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| 17:59.30 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: run xvidtune from an xterm, click on 'show' |
| 17:59.36 | SimonRaven | !lart spam bot owners |
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| 17:59.38 | mrwill | got a little problem here -- I used to have resolvconf installed, removed it, but somehow my resolv.conf file is getting removed at every reboot. how do I stop this? |
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| 17:59.58 | Gnea | mrwill: what dhcp client? |
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| 18:00.41 | mrwill | Gnea: I'm not sure... this is a server, addresses are static anyway. Might there be some kind of dhcp client package I should also remove? |
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| 18:01.16 | Gnea | mrwill: are you sure interfaces doesn't have any dhcp lines? |
| 18:01.22 | mrwill | Gnea: looks like the dhcp-client package is installed. |
| 18:01.27 | mrwill | Gnea: no... I'll look at that. |
| 18:02.09 | mrwill | Gnea: there are no dhcp lines in /etc/network/interfaces, it's all static. |
| 18:02.12 | Gnea | ladyisabel77: when you make the screen look like you want, click 'show' again and note the line that it pastes in the terminal |
| 18:02.18 | Gnea | mrwill: dunno |
| 18:04.11 | S4nD3r | azeem, The backports, is a mirror ? |
| 18:04.38 | azeem | S4nD3r: no, it is 3rd party repository dedicated to delivering uptodate software to stable users |
| 18:04.58 | S4nD3r | Humm.... how to use this ? |
| 18:05.05 | azeem | S4nD3r: did you read the instructions? |
| 18:05.11 | S4nD3r | Where ? |
| 18:05.19 | azeem | at www.backports.org |
| 18:05.31 | azeem | wtf |
| 18:05.38 | S4nD3r | Theres no instructions |
| 18:05.40 | azeem | S4nD3r: ok, try http://backports.org |
| 18:05.53 | S4nD3r | OH |
| 18:06.00 | S4nD3r | I was at www.backports.org |
| 18:06.07 | azeem | sorry, didn't know www.backports.org was useless |
| 18:06.12 | mrwill | azeem: it's not. |
| 18:06.12 | thingfish | the sarge OO.o 2 link on backports.org seems to be unavailable.. |
| 18:06.16 | azeem | mrwill: it is |
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| 18:06.27 | cusco | Im using testing.. and Im having broken dependencies... |
| 18:06.28 | mrwill | azeem: really? I've used backports with no trouble before. |
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| 18:06.42 | cusco | while trying to install sendmail |
| 18:06.48 | azeem | mrwill: www.backports.org is useless to point people to, backports.org is fine |
| 18:06.57 | mrwill | azeem: ah ok |
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| 18:08.06 | azeem | thingfish: yes, they're moving to a real setup right now apparently |
| 18:08.20 | thingfish | azeem: ah. |
| 18:08.33 | azeem | http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/ |
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| 18:09.26 | azeem | S4nD3r: so maybe it's better if you try backports.org again tomorrow, it is being restructured right now |
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| 18:10.11 | sdakota | how to install the java executable? |
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| 18:10.18 | S4nD3r | Ive seeing |
| 18:10.28 | sdakota | how to install the java executable? apt-get install java-common java-package didn't work |
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| 18:10.53 | Eulex | !install java |
| 18:10.53 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
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| 18:11.01 | fryz | hey, uh, I'm a bit confused here, that crazy login sound KDE plays when it starts works fine, but regular sound in other applications doesn't work, that's uh. |
| 18:11.19 | azeem | fryz: you need to tell them to use a sound daemon, perhaps |
| 18:11.20 | Eulex | fryz, are you running artsd? |
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| 18:11.39 | sdakota | !java-package |
| 18:11.39 | dpkg | i heard java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 18:11.50 | sdakota | !azureus |
| 18:12.03 | sdakota | !install azureus |
| 18:12.06 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 18:12.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:12.13 | sdakota | ¬.¬ |
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| 18:12.19 | sdakota | Eulex: Azureus isn't |
| 18:12.20 | fryz | Eulex: It doesn't look like that |
| 18:12.31 | sdakota | Eulex: as java isn't installed (can't find java executable) |
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| 18:12.39 | fryz | oh wait |
| 18:12.40 | fryz | it is |
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| 18:13.02 | azeem | sdakota: did you follow the instructions from the java-package factoid? |
| 18:13.06 | ladyisabel77 | gnea? |
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| 18:13.14 | sdakota | Eulex: with the "apt-get blabla doesn't work" I meant it wasn't providing me with the java executable |
| 18:13.24 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 18:13.25 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:13.30 | azeem | ladyisabel77: please stop that |
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| 18:13.39 | azeem | ladyisabel77: did you understand? |
| 18:13.45 | ladyisabel77 | i've resolved!!!!!! |
| 18:13.57 | azeem | ladyisabel77: that doesn't mean you should abuse the bot |
| 18:13.59 | abrotman | !tell sdakota about install java |
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| 18:14.12 | ladyisabel77 | i'm afraid |
| 18:14.17 | sdakota | azeem: java-package gives me a .deb out of a java package - and azureus obviously isn't. |
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| 18:14.21 | Eulex | sdakota, maybe it's just not in your path? check what files it installed with dpkg -L pkgname |
| 18:14.30 | azeem | sdakota: what is azureus? |
| 18:14.31 | sdakota | but i'll check java.com |
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| 18:14.39 | sdakota | azeem: azureus.sourceforge.net |
| 18:14.44 | theD3viL | what i need to play dvd with xine |
| 18:14.45 | theD3viL | ? |
| 18:14.50 | azeem | sdakota: well, what does it have to do with java-package? |
| 18:15.15 | dougl | how can I find out what version of libusb is on my system? |
| 18:15.19 | sdakota | azeem: ?? |
| 18:15.24 | azeem | sdakota: look |
| 18:15.30 | azeem | sdakota: you need to install java first |
| 18:15.32 | brox | what location does a printer have if its remote? |
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| 18:16.45 | azeem | sdakota: cool |
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| 18:17.05 | cahoot | dougl: look in /usr/share/doc/libusb |
| 18:17.17 | Eulex | sdakota, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 -- the java site won't help you a bit on how to correctly install java on debian, btw |
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| 18:17.29 | jjazz | brox, are you trying to configure cups? |
| 18:17.49 | brox | jjazz: 100% yup |
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| 18:18.08 | jjazz | brox, are you using the web interface at port 631? |
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| 18:18.17 | brox | jjazz: yes |
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| 18:18.25 | sdakota | Eulex: looking at that now |
| 18:18.35 | azeem | brox: go to the remote box, display the printer via the web interface, substitute the box' IP address for 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:18.43 | theD3viL | what i need to play dvd with xine?? |
| 18:18.50 | brox | what do i put in location if the printer is connected to another machine? |
| 18:18.54 | jjazz | brox, are you on the local or the remote box? |
| 18:18.55 | SimonRaven | dvd player |
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| 18:19.21 | brox | jjazz: me: local, printer: remote |
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| 18:19.36 | jjazz | brox, is the remote printer a linux box or a windows box? |
| 18:19.47 | dougl | cahoot: thanks |
| 18:19.48 | fryz | azeem: How do I tell applications to use a daemon? XMMS for example. I seem to fail to find something through Google/the Wiki. |
| 18:20.11 | Eulex | fryz, check the output plugin setting... |
| 18:20.26 | brox | jjazz: linux running cups |
| 18:20.35 | azeem | brox: did you read what I said above? |
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| 18:21.17 | jjazz | brox, sweet. Try Azeem's advice. |
| 18:21.26 | moi | hey, anyone experienced with raid systems? |
| 18:21.26 | brox | azeem: yes but i dont understand it |
| 18:21.34 | jjazz | localhost:631 |
| 18:21.37 | azeem | brox: which part? |
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| 18:22.09 | jjazz | brox, go to localhost:631 and click on manage printers |
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| 18:22.47 | brox | azeem: the combination - the sentences themselves make sence - just not together |
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| 18:23.09 | jjazz | brox, click on add printers, enter a name (doesn't matter what), then click continue |
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| 18:23.45 | jjazz | brox, then select ipp |
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| 18:24.09 | jjazz | brox, then enter the device URI as http://remote..ip/printers/remote_printer_name |
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| 18:24.35 | jjazz | brox, follow the rest of the prompts, and you should be good |
| 18:24.52 | azeem | where remote_printer_name is easily deduced by looking up the remote hosts' web interface for the printer and watching the URL |
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| 18:25.30 | mrwill | init scripts in /etc/rcS.d are executed regardless of runlevel, right? |
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| 18:26.52 | brox | azeem: , jjazz gotcha |
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| 18:28.54 | vabbi | Hello Channel |
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| 18:29.18 | SimonRaven | hello vabbi |
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| 18:30.34 | vabbi | My PS/2 Mouse does not work with Sarge well can somebody help |
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| 18:30.52 | vabbi | Hi SimonRaven |
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| 18:31.58 | brox | jjazz: so location should be left blank? if its ipp should it not be http://remote_machine/ipp/ ?? |
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| 18:33.09 | rvsjoen | any way to find out which patches has been added to a kernel source tree ? |
| 18:33.13 | jjazz | brox, location and description are text fields that are informational for humans. They have nothing to do with the computer being able to print. |
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| 18:33.48 | brox | jjazz: good to know |
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| 18:34.53 | jjazz | brox, on my machine, it's http://remote:631/printers/printer_name If that doesn't work for you, I guess try with /ipp/ in the url, but I've never needed it. |
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| 18:35.07 | brox | jjazz: i get "Destination printer does not exist!" |
| 18:35.08 | meriad | does debian have a package for nslookup that doesnt require me to build bind? |
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| 18:35.50 | rvsjoen | meriad: dnsutils |
| 18:36.17 | meriad | rvsjoen- poifect |
| 18:36.18 | brox | what port does ssh use? |
| 18:36.20 | jjazz | brox, then you've got the wrong location. First, make sure you have the right machine name. Point your browser at http://remote:631 |
| 18:36.38 | rvsjoen | but I think you need bind9-host, not really sure |
| 18:36.44 | jjazz | brox, Do you get the remote cups web interface? |
| 18:37.04 | brox | if do http://remote:631 i get the remote cups interface |
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| 18:37.14 | jjazz | brox, cool. Click manage printers |
| 18:37.15 | rvsjoen | this might work also meriad: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/host |
| 18:37.17 | brox | ok i get it |
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| 18:37.29 | brox | jjazz: yup |
| 18:37.35 | jjazz | brox click your printer |
| 18:37.52 | meriad | rvsjoen- no it's nslookup i require for a perl app im writing |
| 18:37.59 | meriad | rvsjoen- and dnsutils worked like a charm, thanks mate. |
| 18:38.09 | rvsjoen | great ;-) |
| 18:38.26 | jjazz | brox, I just used the url from that page and it worked on my box. If it doesn't work, perhaps cups isn't setup to take connections from anybody but localhost. |
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| 18:38.31 | meriad | rvsjoen- precisely my thought. |
| 18:38.47 | jjazz | brox, I don't recall what the defaults are in /etc/cups/cups.conf |
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| 18:39.31 | brox | jjazz: it says Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 18:40.00 | brox | jjazz: thats not what i want is it? he'll start looking at parallel |
| 18:40.09 | jjazz | brox, Ya, it should. But your browser is pointed at a url right now. *That* is the url I would cut and paste into the local cups setup |
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| 18:40.54 | brox | jjazz: its only http://192.168.0.1:631/printers |
| 18:40.58 | lex | Heyas, i want to use ssh to give access so that some people can do portmapping with it. But i dont want them to have a shell. Ive put /bin/cat as their shell now and that seems to work, the thing is that im not shure this is the best thing to do security wise.... any ideas of a good restricted shell for this kind of thing? |
| 18:41.09 | azeem | brox: click on the printer itself |
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| 18:41.34 | azeem | lex: /bin/false, maybe |
| 18:41.46 | silvinho | anyone use the isakmpd debian package ? |
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| 18:41.58 | lex | azeem, will that allow them to keep their session and be authenticated ? |
| 18:42.01 | NichtMued | Hi guys. I am setting up bind9 for our local LAN. I inserted a forwarders block as well es an allow-query block into named.conf.options. Afterwards I defined a new master zone in named.conf.local. Finally, I copied db.local to db.mylocaldomain and adjusted the settings. Did I miss something? Or did I something wrong? |
| 18:42.05 | diesel | I'm sure that I am not bursting too many people's bubble here...but sshfs is awesome |
| 18:42.05 | azeem | lex: hrm, not sure |
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| 18:42.11 | lex | lets try |
| 18:42.11 | roler | I have a Toshiba P25 laptop and was wondering if anyone knew of a kernel patch to enable hardware monitoring? |
| 18:42.14 | jjazz | diesel, agreed |
| 18:42.32 | NichtMued | The configuration seems to work, but I am not sure whether it makes sense. |
| 18:42.45 | lex | azeem, nah it doesnt work |
| 18:42.52 | silvinho | NichtMued: why did you copy db.local ? |
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| 18:43.12 | NichtMued | silvinho: just to have the same default values. |
| 18:43.56 | NichtMued | silvinho: to be more precise, just to have the same default numbers |
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| 18:43.56 | medvind | hello. i'm on debian unstable, currently with the 2.4.27-2-k7 kernel. i've installed kernel-image-2.6.12-3-multimedia-k7 from DeMuDi apt sources and it seems to have installed well. however, at boot time, i get the following message: "pivot_root: no such file or directory, /sbin/init: 432: /dev/console: no such file, kernel panic - not syncinc: attempted to kill init". i think it might have something to do with my SATA hard drive. what should |
| 18:43.56 | brox | azeem, jjazz: thanks works like a blast - ahem ok the settings arent right - but its printing!! sorry for beeing a pothead |
| 18:44.02 | jjazz | brox, glad it's working |
| 18:44.08 | brox | it was: http://192.168.0.1:631/printers/HP2500L ;)) |
| 18:44.10 | yam | is it possible to avoid kernel upgrades when apt-get upgrade? I do my kernels manually and its bothering when kernel tries to be updated |
| 18:44.14 | rvsjoen | roler: anything here maybe ? http://opensource.idealcorp.com/toshiba-p25/ |
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| 18:44.46 | jjazz | yam, you could always point things back to your custom kernels after the upgrade |
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| 18:44.50 | NichtMued | silvinho: is anything wrong with using db.local as a template? |
| 18:45.18 | rvsjoen | yam: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#HOLD-KERNEL-PKG |
| 18:45.34 | yam | jjazz: yeah I know... thats what I been doing, just wanted to know whether there was a chance to mask it out |
| 18:45.58 | stew | yam: you can either uninstall the debian kernels, or put them on hold /msg dpkg hold |
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| 18:46.20 | PDani | hi |
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| 18:46.28 | rvsjoen | using --append-to-version when making the kernel image also prevents future automatig upgrades |
| 18:46.41 | roler | rvsjoen, ; it helps with the multimedia keys for one. so its a good link. thanks! |
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| 18:46.59 | PDani | i need something like gaim-guifications for xmms, when i'm listening to a webradio, i would like to see the title of the new songs |
| 18:47.12 | rvsjoen | roler: found it here http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html might other useful things, now I gotta go eat ;-) good luck |
| 18:47.20 | yam | oh yes... I have to put kernel on hold and keep doing it manually |
| 18:47.22 | yam | thanks |
| 18:47.22 | brox | mmm wonderful |
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| 18:47.55 | comforteagle | I just setup remote debian box, but the timezone isn't right. How do I correct that? |
| 18:48.05 | brox | i just had to set it to 600 dpi and all this mirical of technic is working like a charm |
| 18:48.10 | roler | thanks! |
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| 18:48.16 | brox | comforteagle: ntpdate |
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| 18:48.44 | brox | comforteagle: whoops |
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| 18:48.55 | rvsjoen | comforteagle: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 18:49.15 | brox | comforteagle: have you tried /etc/timezone ? |
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| 18:49.33 | brox | comforteagle: i mean remote:/etc/timezone |
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| 18:50.01 | comforteagle | cat: /etc/timezone: No such file or directory |
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| 18:50.17 | rvsjoen | tun tzconfig as a superuser |
| 18:50.23 | rvsjoen | tun/run |
| 18:50.39 | brox | comforteagle: echo Europe/Berlin > /etc/timezone ---- if you live in Berlin |
| 18:50.48 | brox | comforteagle: as root |
| 18:50.51 | sbk | Dumb question, escaping my memory. How do I reconfigure the exim4 mailserver? dpkg-reconfigure something |
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| 18:51.14 | rvsjoen | sbk: exim4 |
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| 18:51.19 | brox | sbk: i-cant-resist... use googlemail!!! |
| 18:51.26 | sbk | rvsjoen: *heh* ok. |
| 18:51.27 | brox | sbk: sorry about that |
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| 18:51.33 | edrin | hi |
| 18:51.50 | sbk | brox: Oh, I do that as well ;) |
| 18:51.52 | dougl | how do you apt-get ignoring the dependency for "slang1-dev"? |
| 18:52.03 | edrin | the soundquality of my debian testing (using alsa) is very bad with my cmipci soundcard |
| 18:52.12 | edrin | i am using the 2.6 kernel |
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| 18:52.19 | edrin | do you know the reason? |
| 18:52.24 | DevilChaos | hi all |
| 18:52.30 | DevilChaos | stew? |
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| 18:52.40 | roler | woo! |
| 18:52.43 | stew | DevilChaos: yes? |
| 18:52.49 | DevilChaos | i made it |
| 18:53.00 | stew | DevilChaos: refresh my memory |
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| 18:53.12 | DevilChaos | stew: got debian xorg testing update |
| 18:53.33 | roxy_ | hi, how can i know which is the cdrom device to mount? |
| 18:53.33 | rvsjoen | dougl: apt-get --force-yes might solve your problem.. might be other way to do it though |
| 18:53.41 | DevilChaos | stew:got my graphics card to work with xorg |
| 18:53.49 | DevilChaos | exellent |
| 18:53.58 | stew | DevilChaos: cool |
| 18:53.58 | dougl | rvsjoen: thanks |
| 18:53.58 | quitte_ | roxy_: read the output of dmesg |
| 18:54.00 | comforteagle | tzconfig worked great! |
| 18:54.05 | comforteagle | thanks guys |
| 18:54.15 | roxy_ | quitte, and what exactly should i read? |
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| 18:54.24 | DevilChaos | stew: one or two small things to work out |
| 18:54.43 | stew | DevilChaos: like what? |
| 18:54.47 | edrin | how do i get the version of my /j alsa |
| 18:54.55 | quitte_ | roxy_: look for words like cdrom |
| 18:54.58 | rvsjoen | is there any way to check which patches has been added to a vanilla source tree ? |
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| 18:55.33 | DevilChaos | scroll on mouse |
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| 18:55.46 | DevilChaos | mounts of partitions |
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| 18:56.05 | dougl | my apt-get is broken... everything I try to ap-get complains about slang1-dev - can anyone give me a pointer? |
| 18:56.06 | DevilChaos | archive, nfs , yada yada yada |
| 18:56.26 | brox | hmm how come i can print test pages and firefox aknowledges that my printer exsits but the first gets printed and the second not? |
| 18:56.31 | roxy_ | quitte, ok thank you found |
| 18:56.38 | stew | !scroll mouse |
| 18:56.41 | stew | !mousewheel |
| 18:56.42 | dpkg | historical info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 18:56.46 | DevilChaos | scroll on mouse |
| 18:56.58 | stew | !scroll mouse is <reply> see mousewheel |
| 18:56.59 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:57.06 | NichtMued | !bind |
| 18:57.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
| 18:57.06 | DevilChaos | k |
| 18:57.16 | brox | lpr doc does also not print |
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| 18:57.21 | brox | azeem: ? |
| 18:57.28 | brox | jjazz: ? |
| 18:57.29 | GATA9 | devilchaos |
| 18:57.34 | stew | DevilChaos: but in your case it should be xorg.conf not XF86Config-4 |
| 18:57.47 | GATA9 | stew |
| 18:57.51 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 18:58.02 | oditszapc | hello |
| 18:58.10 | GATA9 | hello |
| 18:58.15 | DevilChaos | GATA9:? |
| 18:58.16 | stew | GATA9: if you have a debian related question, go ahead and ask it |
| 18:58.34 | GATA9 | stew |
| 18:58.44 | azeem | GATA9: |
| 18:58.51 | oditszapc | < |
| 18:58.56 | GATA9 | azeem |
| 18:59.07 | GATA9 | loviu |
| 18:59.25 | azeem | GATA9: please visit www.debian.org for information about this channel |
| 18:59.30 | medvind | hi. can someone help me with my new kernel? :). i've installed a kernel image (namely 2.6.12-3-multimedia-k7) and when initializing ide0 at boot time, it screws up (/sbin/init: 432: /dev console: no such file, kernel panic - not syncing). i've tried changning "hde" to "sda" in grub's config but it's still the same problem. ide0 is a SATA disk, by the way. what can i do? |
| 18:59.32 | azeem | GATA9: if you have a Debian related question, just ask |
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| 19:00.54 | edrin | hmy cmipci sound is making bad quality sound (no bass, too much treble). i am using the linux 2.6.12 kernel. any idea? |
| 19:01.16 | GATA9 | edrin |
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| 19:01.42 | bobbens | edrin: i find the best way to get good sound quality is to find good values using aumix and then running aumix in ~/.xsession with all the sound parameters hardcoded |
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| 19:01.53 | stew | GATA9: owner |
| 19:02.09 | GATA9 | name |
| 19:02.18 | stew | GATA9: have you ever heard of alan turing and his famous test? |
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| 19:02.41 | cnet2 | hi, my debian box keeps changing ips.. like requesting a new one to the dhcp, now i tried puting a fixed ip (ifconfig eth0 x.x.x.x), and it also asks for a new ip to the dhcp after a while |
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| 19:02.52 | cnet2 | is that an option i can change in debian? |
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| 19:03.06 | tonix | hi guys, is there a way to initiate a reverse ssh tunnel (ssh -R 10001:localhost:22 remotesshserver) without authentication from the client? thanks |
| 19:03.12 | bobbens | cnet2: man interfaces |
| 19:03.13 | stew | cnet2: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 19:03.18 | DevilChaos | cnet2: you should have set your ip at install |
| 19:03.31 | DevilChaos | for your box |
| 19:03.36 | stew | tonix: set up a no password ssh key |
| 19:03.38 | brox | !panic |
| 19:03.38 | dpkg | well, panic is STAY CALM DAMMIT! |
| 19:03.49 | cnet2 | thanks! |
| 19:03.51 | DevilChaos | and set the dns and netmask |
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| 19:04.32 | DevilChaos | bbl |
| 19:04.40 | tonix | stew: but waht does it mean? the client can connect to my ssh server and run commonds on bash? |
| 19:04.45 | TNKS | hi all. Is there utility to chase symlinks down to a hard file? |
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| 19:04.49 | rvsjoen | dougl: might be able to set Fix-Broken "false"; in apt.conf, but that'll affect a lot more than just that single missing package... |
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| 19:05.15 | edrin | bobbens: but in example with alsamixer i cant make better settings... |
| 19:05.19 | stew | tonix: yes, so you want to allow someone to connect to ssh but only to setup a tunnel, not to get a shell? |
| 19:05.30 | tonix | yes, right! |
| 19:05.30 | surfdue | dpkg -i fglrx-kernel-src_8.19.10- |
| 19:05.36 | surfdue | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.40 | surfdue | how do i fidx this? |
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| 19:05.58 | stew | surfdue: find a package that was made for sarge, the one you are trying to install is for etch |
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| 19:06.09 | dougl | rvsjoen: thanks... already broke it :) |
| 19:06.17 | stew | surfdue: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 19:06.25 | bobbens | edrin: you should be able to, just dont put anything at max, i get distortion if PCM is at 100%. But for me aumix -v 90 -w 90 -W 0 does the trick, it would be the same as editing alsamixer manually, but faster |
| 19:06.30 | tonix | stew: i just need to connect in reverse ssh for assistance purpose on linux boxes behing router and nat |
| 19:06.34 | surfdue | stew |
| 19:06.39 | surfdue | this is the official ati install? |
| 19:06.45 | surfdue | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install |
| 19:07.03 | tonix | stew: but i don't want let the user to connect to my ssh server of course! |
| 19:07.06 | bobbens | surfdue: no, official ati is from www.ati.com and it's an rpm |
| 19:07.09 | Eulex | surfdue, no. it's the official stuff repackaged for debian. |
| 19:07.12 | surfdue | we cat use official |
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| 19:07.19 | surfdue | what do i do guys |
| 19:07.20 | tonix | stew: do you think is it possible? |
| 19:07.24 | surfdue | i just wanna get 3d accel working? |
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| 19:07.38 | brox | azeem: any ideas why i can only print test pages? |
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| 19:07.44 | azeem | brox: no |
| 19:07.55 | edrin | bobbens: nothing is at maximum... i rather think it is a bug... is there a newer alsa driver somehwere available? |
| 19:07.59 | azeem | brox: did you install cupsys-client/cupsys-bsd? |
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| 19:08.08 | bobbens | edrin: what debian you using? |
| 19:08.10 | brox | azeem: nope |
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| 19:08.16 | bucky | !tell surfdue about ati |
| 19:08.20 | azeem | try the former, and if that doesn't help, the latter as well |
| 19:08.28 | surfdue | i already followed that |
| 19:08.30 | surfdue | it said go here |
| 19:08.31 | brox | azeem: i only have cupsys-client and cupsys |
| 19:08.35 | surfdue | i have to use fglrx? |
| 19:08.43 | Eulex | surfdue, what's your card? |
| 19:08.44 | surfdue | it wont work without it |
| 19:08.50 | azeem | brox: can you print with GNOME or KDE apps? |
| 19:08.50 | surfdue | radeon x700 pro |
| 19:08.58 | brox | nope |
| 19:09.04 | brox | azeem: nope |
| 19:09.13 | edrin | bobbens: debian testing |
| 19:09.18 | brox | azeem: only test pages |
| 19:09.26 | Eulex | surfdue, well, there is one more way. compile xorg, mesa and dri from cvs. it's much much easier to use fglrx. |
| 19:09.29 | bobbens | edrin: SID has 1.0.10 which is what im using |
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| 19:09.37 | bobbens | edrin: it could also be your card driver, which is kernel dependent |
| 19:09.51 | surfdue | huh |
| 19:09.54 | surfdue | can you tell hme out? |
| 19:09.55 | surfdue | how |
| 19:10.02 | surfdue | eulex maybe in pm? |
| 19:10.15 | franx | how do i figure out the internet ip within a network? |
| 19:10.17 | surfdue | i am installing fglrx as this page says? |
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| 19:10.40 | rvsjoen | franx http://www.whatismyip.com ? |
| 19:11.00 | tonix | stew: are you there? :-) |
| 19:11.15 | Eulex | surfdue, if you don't know how to do it you shouldn't even try... install fglrx, that's the safe choice |
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| 19:11.19 | Cyrus | franx: ifconfig |
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| 19:11.25 | brox | azeem: wait a sec |
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| 19:12.01 | brox | azeem: just untill hes finished printing this baby http://www.bigcheesepress.com/ryt/comics/ryt2005-12-14.jpg |
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| 19:12.31 | surfdue | eulex |
| 19:12.33 | surfdue | im trying |
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| 19:12.37 | surfdue | i have depency issues |
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| 19:12.45 | brox | azeem: yup after doing apt-get install cupsys-bsd it works |
| 19:12.48 | surfdue | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.48 | surfdue | bobbens edrin: SID has 1.0.10 which is what im using |
| 19:12.48 | surfdue | * faked has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
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| 19:12.48 | surfdue | bobbens edrin: it could also be your card driver, which is kernel dependent |
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| 19:12.55 | brox | azeem: debian is so simple |
| 19:12.55 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:12.55 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
| 19:13.00 | surfdue | surfdue can you tell hme out? |
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| 19:13.02 | surfdue | surfdue how |
| 19:13.04 | surfdue | surfdue eulex maybe in pm? |
| 19:13.06 | surfdue | franx how do i figure out the internet ip within a network? |
| 19:13.08 | surfdue | surfdue i am installing fglrx as this page says? |
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| 19:13.14 | surfdue | rvsjoen franx http://www.whatismyip.com ? |
| 19:13.20 | surfdue | tonix stew: are you there? :-) |
| 19:13.24 | surfdue | sorry |
| 19:13.26 | surfdue | :( |
| 19:13.26 | Eulex | surfdue, no. install fglrx. |
| 19:13.28 | EleckttrusS | hi |
| 19:13.28 | surfdue | fglrx-driver: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed |
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| 19:13.40 | Eulex | surfdue, get it from stanchina's site. |
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| 19:13.42 | brox | azeem: seems firefox uses bsd commands |
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| 19:13.54 | EleckttrusS | i need big problem |
| 19:13.54 | azeem | brox: that's why I asked about GNOME apps |
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| 19:13.58 | tarzeau | rvsjoen, franx you can also telnet linuks.mine.nu 65535 |
| 19:14.05 | brox | surfdue: please dont swamp this place |
| 19:14.06 | EleckttrusS | mi new kernel no found |
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| 19:14.58 | brox | azeem: ok sorry missed you there - what gnome app is an example (i thought you mean firefox) |
| 19:15.19 | rvsjoen | tarzeau: ty |
| 19:15.19 | surfdue | i did Eulex |
| 19:15.20 | brox | edit: (i feebleminded you mean firefox) |
| 19:15.23 | surfdue | i did get it fromt ehre |
| 19:15.26 | azeem | brox: gedit e.g. |
| 19:15.27 | brox | ;) |
| 19:15.34 | dougl | I had help setting up my deb box (spoon fed) - how can I tell what I have... sid sarge or etch? |
| 19:15.43 | surfdue | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xorg/index.html |
| 19:15.46 | surfdue | got it from there |
| 19:16.06 | Eulex | surfdue, I think you'll have to compile from source then. |
| 19:16.16 | EleckttrusS | who used debian sid? kernel# 2.8.14...... |
| 19:16.31 | EleckttrusS | who used debian sid? kernel# 2.6.14...... |
| 19:16.36 | brox | EleckttrusS: OMG i hope nobody |
| 19:16.36 | numist | ... |
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| 19:16.57 | surfdue | damn |
| 19:17.04 | surfdue | how do i get read of this dep[ency error |
| 19:17.07 | surfdue | so it wont come up |
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| 19:17.42 | Eulex | EleckttrusS, you may be interested in this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343042 |
| 19:17.47 | EleckttrusS | brox: whay? |
| 19:17.56 | Eulex | surfdue, you can't. compile it yourself. |
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| 19:19.12 | EleckttrusS | Eulex: mi wireless no rulez en kernel of etch |
| 19:19.13 | surfdue | i dant install anything |
| 19:19.16 | surfdue | with this dependcy error |
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| 19:19.50 | Eulex | surfdue, it's compiled against the libc6 in testing and unstable. therefore you can't use it on stable. |
| 19:19.58 | Eulex | EleckttrusS, what networking card? |
| 19:20.14 | stew | tonix: maybe setings their shell to /bin/false to prevent them from allocating a tty, but I dont' know if that would also prevent them from being able to connect to ssh at all |
| 19:20.26 | EleckttrusS | i need used my wireless now because no rulez |
| 19:20.29 | bobbens | surfdue: you can try this howto i wrote a while ago, but it still works: http://bobbens.dyndns.org/howto.php?id=fglrx |
| 19:20.52 | lex | When can it be acceptable for ps not to return all of the pids in /proc? |
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| 19:21.07 | jake1932 | i'm trying to use apt to install apache2, but it won't put apache2 in /etc/init.d. any ideas? i tried apt-get remove -purge then apt-get install to reinstall. Also tried -f option. |
| 19:21.13 | lex | This is a question for the TRUE guru.... When can it be acceptable for ps not to return all of the pids in /proc? |
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| 19:21.16 | Eulex | EleckttrusS, (a) try to understand me, answer my questions and write english that makes sense (b) go to the channel of your language |
| 19:21.34 | EleckttrusS | Eulex: my card is ipw2200 , i a ready install modules |
| 19:21.42 | stew | jake1932: /msg dpkg confmiss ; although its odd that purging it didn't work |
| 19:22.20 | Eulex | EleckttrusS, from ipw2200.sf.net, eh? in what way did they not work? |
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| 19:22.28 | lepton | lex: rtfm PS(1) |
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| 19:22.32 | bbrazil | stew: I don't see the original question, but {allow,deny}{users,groups} in sshd_config sounds like what tonix is loking for |
| 19:22.34 | jake1932 | stew: tnx stew - i'll try |
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| 19:22.58 | stew | bbrazil: he wants to allow tcpforward but not shell |
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| 19:23.39 | bbrazil | stew: interesting, I can see problems with sftp |
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| 19:23.59 | Albe-T | Type /server irc.Undermex.org 6667 and join to #Cservice |
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| 19:24.08 | lex | lepton, im not shure you understand my question i mean... if its in /proc, it should be in ps -e's output shouldnt it? |
| 19:24.15 | lex | lepton, cause it aint... a many of them |
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| 19:26.59 | franx | what do you mean with sarge, |
| 19:27.03 | franx | and etch?? |
| 19:27.10 | franx | don't get the difference |
| 19:27.15 | EleckttrusS | Eulex: my card found in the kernel 2.6.14 but i upgrade and my kernel no udes kernel 2.6.12-1-686 and my wireless no rules |
| 19:27.38 | lepton | lex: how big is the discrepancy? |
| 19:27.53 | quitte | lex: where in proc are the processes listed? |
| 19:27.55 | lepton | lex: and how long has the machine been up? have you been mucking around? |
| 19:28.04 | Eulex | franx, sarge is stable. etch is testing. sid is unstable |
| 19:28.05 | saloxin | any nice scriptable way to check if squid is alive from remote? thinking of dynamicly redirecting to squidbox if squidbox is alive |
| 19:28.06 | stew | quitte: /proc/<0-99999> |
| 19:28.07 | jake1932 | stew: tnx - that seemed to work |
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| 19:29.33 | franx | Eulex: thanks |
| 19:29.35 | Eulex | EleckttrusS, well, you need to describe the problem more thoroughly than that. if you can't in english, you need to go to the channel of your language. let me guess; you're spanish? there's #debian-es for spanish-speaking debian-users |
| 19:29.37 | lex | quitte,lepton, No... just a plain box with upstream oo.o, automount for the home directories of the users. And the processes that with ls /proc/PID may show, dont show with ps -e ... chkrootkit suggests i might have an LKM Rk installed, but im not shure i should trust that since it seems pretty normal to me the way its working |
| 19:29.42 | saloxin | hm httping has prox support ;-) |
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| 19:30.42 | stew | saloxin: you can test if the port is open with netcat by checking the return value of nc -z squidhost squidport |
| 19:31.13 | quitte | how can i count the numbers of lines of an output? |
| 19:31.18 | saloxin | stew: ah sweet |
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| 19:31.38 | unknown | is there a debian package for importing photos from a digital camera? |
| 19:31.54 | Greatred | unknown, gphoto perhaps? |
| 19:32.24 | Eulex | unknown, with some cameras you can just mount the camera and move the files over to your hdd |
| 19:32.44 | unknown | how would i mount it? |
| 19:33.26 | unknown | gphoto is command line? o_O |
| 19:33.34 | Bent | unknown, i use digikam. it works great |
| 19:33.44 | Eulex | unknown, while connected with the usb cable, do fdisk -l. that should list the partition on the camera. if it can be mounted, that is. |
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| 19:34.14 | saloxin | now to fill squids filesystem nad see how it reacts ;-) |
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| 19:34.50 | stew | unknown: if the camera can be mounted as usb mass storage, /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 19:34.51 | unknown | Eulex, nothing there |
| 19:35.08 | saloxin | unknown: if it got recognized as a disk when plugged it in, it would show in dmesg and /proc/partitions |
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| 19:35.31 | Eulex | saloxin, and in fdisk -l, iirc |
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| 19:35.49 | unknown | usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x54c/0x4e) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 19:35.52 | stew | fdisk -l uses /proc/partitions |
| 19:36.00 | saloxin | Eulex: only if ye specify device, which usually would be /dev/sda but not necessarily |
| 19:36.04 | stew | unknown: is usb-storage and sd_mod loaded? |
| 19:36.24 | stew | saloxin: no fdisk -l lists every partition in /proc/partitions |
| 19:36.42 | unknown | i'll just use digikam :) |
| 19:37.02 | saloxin | stew, eulex, i stand corrected |
| 19:37.05 | unknown | afaik it can't be used for mass storage |
| 19:37.10 | Snooze | help again please |
| 19:37.45 | stew | Snooze: if you have a question just ask it |
| 19:38.09 | Snooze | stew, ok , :D |
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| 19:38.18 | Snooze | same old problem with debian..... |
| 19:38.24 | Snooze | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1292 |
| 19:38.28 | stew | unknown: if you want to get files from the command line you should be able to use gphoto2 |
| 19:38.36 | Snooze | go read this please to see how it started :-( |
| 19:39.01 | saloxin | Snooze: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:39.02 | unknown | it says Could not detect any camera |
| 19:39.09 | surfdue | my fglrxinfo still says mesa |
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| 19:39.12 | surfdue | how do i fix this man |
| 19:39.18 | Snooze | my debian server does nor boot anymore.. |
| 19:39.19 | stew | saloxin: what version of debian? which kernel? |
| 19:39.23 | Greatred | unknown, i actually find the easiest solution for me is to get a card reader :) |
| 19:39.28 | Snooze | GRUB Loading stage1.5. |
| 19:39.28 | Snooze | GRUB loading, please wait... |
| 19:39.28 | Snooze | Error 17 |
| 19:39.32 | stew | Snooze: what version of debian, which kernel? |
| 19:39.35 | Snooze | this is the msg... |
| 19:39.39 | Bent | unknown, turn the camera on |
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| 19:39.54 | unknown | i have a USB card reader but I've been unable to use it in Linux |
| 19:40.06 | Bent | oh |
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| 19:40.14 | saloxin | Snooze: what did you do to it? |
| 19:40.20 | Snooze | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst |
| 19:40.36 | dotCOMmie | unknown: does USB driver work? |
| 19:40.37 | Greatred | unknown, you looked at dmesg to see if the kernel notices it being plugged in? |
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| 19:41.09 | rvsjoen | Snooze: That error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by grub |
| 19:41.21 | unknown | usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:03.3-7 address 3 ;; hub.c: new USB device 00:03.3-8, assigned address 4 ;; usb.c: USB device 4 (vend/prod 0x54c/0x4e) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 19:41.27 | Snooze | Ok , how do i fix that? |
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| 19:42.09 | Snooze | how do i fix GRUB or change it to LILO? |
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| 19:42.29 | Snooze | or something .. anything but to be able to boot the system... |
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| 19:42.42 | stew | unknown: do you have the usb-storage module loaded? |
| 19:42.43 | S4nD3r | How do I test my memory and my HD ? |
| 19:43.03 | unknown | no idea, heh |
| 19:43.11 | saloxin | Snooze: you have to boot from rescue cd or floppy. and undo your fatal changes |
| 19:43.28 | stew | !tell unknown about usb-storage |
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| 19:43.45 | surfdue | i cant get fglrx to show ati? |
| 19:43.46 | kyncani | S4nD3r: memory -> memtest86+ |
| 19:43.51 | surfdue | it shows mesa infglrxinfo |
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| 19:43.57 | Snooze | saloxin, where can i download a rescue cd? |
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| 19:44.02 | surfdue | i cant fix it no mater what os i try |
| 19:44.02 | surfdue | ? |
| 19:44.06 | surfdue | becides windows |
| 19:44.20 | unknown | ok |
| 19:44.34 | saloxin | Snooze: you can boot the install cd with root=/dev/yourroot maybe. you have debian install cd? |
| 19:44.50 | stew | surfdue: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 19:45.25 | Snooze | saloxin , i do have the installation cd... |
| 19:45.36 | saloxin | you remember which partition is your root? |
| 19:45.44 | S4nD3r | I installed memtest86+ |
| 19:45.47 | Snooze | hummm |
| 19:45.49 | S4nD3r | But, how to I use this ?? |
| 19:46.03 | Snooze | where is usualy? |
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| 19:46.13 | pecurkica | Hi |
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| 19:46.32 | stew | S4nD3r: read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+ |
| 19:46.34 | pecurkica | I have problem, I have installed php and sendmail, but it dosnt want to send emails from my script |
| 19:46.37 | saloxin | /dev/hda1 is default i think (if you choose all defaults during install, and it's an ide disk |
| 19:46.52 | Snooze | yeah! |
| 19:46.57 | Snooze | thats it.. |
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| 19:47.24 | Snooze | so when prompted ... i do root=/dev/hda1 ? |
| 19:47.31 | ratero | Hello Debian users! |
| 19:47.51 | saloxin | Snooze: like this: linux root=/dev/hda1 |
| 19:48.34 | surfdue | stew have 3d aceel |
| 19:48.49 | stew | surfdue: what card? |
| 19:48.54 | stew | surfdue: what version of debian? |
| 19:48.55 | Snooze | saloxin, ok it worked but it stoped..... with the same thisng like first time...... |
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| 19:49.02 | Snooze | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1292 |
| 19:49.05 | Snooze | that one... |
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| 19:49.47 | Snooze | i mean no , no something different :-((( |
| 19:49.48 | surfdue | stew radeon x700 pro |
| 19:49.51 | surfdue | sarge |
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| 19:49.53 | Snooze | sorry hold on please |
| 19:50.01 | saloxin | Snooze: how did you get in this state? |
| 19:50.26 | stew | surfdue: and you are following flavio's instructions? |
| 19:50.31 | Snooze | well on this kind of error (first one) it just came up :-((( |
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| 19:51.16 | saloxin | Snooze: you installed normally, everything was fine, and one morning, when you woke up, it was broken? |
| 19:51.17 | surfdue | yes |
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| 19:51.19 | surfdue | i did |
| 19:51.21 | surfdue | everything |
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| 19:51.29 | surfdue | it wont work? maybe i misssed something? |
| 19:51.37 | surfdue | could you give me possible things i could have missed that could cause this |
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| 19:51.54 | surfdue | i really need someone to help me with this, can we talk in pm stew? |
| 19:51.55 | surfdue | please? |
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| 19:52.00 | Snooze | saloxin, no no it worked fine for months.... at one reboot it did this... |
| 19:52.04 | stew | surfdue: no, i've never used a non-free driver |
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| 19:52.11 | Snooze | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1296 |
| 19:52.14 | surfdue | stew what do you mean |
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| 19:52.16 | surfdue | non-free ? |
| 19:52.19 | Snooze | take a look at that guys! :-( |
| 19:52.27 | stew | !non-free |
| 19:52.27 | dpkg | i guess non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 19:52.30 | saloxin | ok i filled squids disk, and it logs cant write to disk, forwards requests directly. this is swell, but how to crash squid for test purposes? |
| 19:52.36 | surfdue | i dont pay for drivers |
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| 19:52.39 | surfdue | i never didnt use non-free? |
| 19:52.44 | stew | surfdue: i have never used a closed source driver |
| 19:52.49 | surfdue | i never have? |
| 19:52.53 | surfdue | where have i |
| 19:52.54 | surfdue | heh |
| 19:53.02 | stew | surfdue: fglrx is non-free |
| 19:53.04 | surfdue | where does xorg log? |
| 19:53.05 | surfdue | it is? |
| 19:53.06 | saloxin | Snooze: that means /dev/hda1 was not the right choice |
| 19:53.10 | surfdue | stew i cant get anything else to work |
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| 19:53.39 | quitte | Snooze: memtest86 is like an os itself. grub loads it directly. maybe that helps you understnad what happened. |
| 19:53.39 | stew | surfdue: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but since you are on sarge you should have xfree not xorg, so /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
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| 19:53.56 | Snooze | saloxin, hold on.. let me tell you more.. after it does this usualy i was rebooting one more time and everything worked second time.... |
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| 19:54.11 | lekvar | Is there a Right Debian Way to add boot options to my kernel. I've got GRUB managed by the system currently. |
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| 19:54.25 | xam | Snooze: you are using devfs in the kernel, which is no longer supported and actually remove in never kernels. With devfs there is no /dev/hda1, therefore it won't boot. Get a kernel without devfs |
| 19:54.41 | saloxin | xam: ah sweet |
| 19:54.53 | surfdue | (WW) RADEON(0): fbdevHWInit failed, not using framebuffer device |
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| 19:55.06 | surfdue | i use xorg |
| 19:55.10 | surfdue | i unistalled xfree |
| 19:55.12 | stew | lekvar: edit the #kopt line in menu.lst and run update-grub, that will add the option to every kerenl, if you only want to add an option to a specific kernel you add a line like #kopt_$version, there are instructions in menu.lst |
| 19:55.41 | xam | argll, lots of typos, Should not type in the dark with dvorak kbd |
| 19:55.43 | lekvar | stew: thanks! |
| 19:55.58 | Snooze | xam. how do i get the kernel up without loosing the infos from the server ?:( |
| 19:56.05 | levander | Anybody know a single command to remount all your smbfs partitions off an XP box. Like when you reboot your XP box and have to remount all the smb shares? Currently, I'm doing two steps: 1.) 'umount -l -t -a smbfs', 2.) 'mount -t -a smbfs' to remount them. Hoping for a one step thing... |
| 19:56.13 | stew | lekvar: if you edit the kernel line directly it will be overwriten the next time you run update-grub which is why you want to edit the #kopt line instead |
| 19:56.18 | lekvar | Or... I'm trying to enable ACPI on a thinkpad 600e to see if a problem clears up or changes. Perhaps there's a way to change the date ACPI uses to decide not to run? |
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| 19:56.47 | stew | levander: maybe "mount -a -t smbfs -o remount" |
| 19:56.57 | theD3viL | I installed libdvdcss2 but dvd still dont work with xine =/ |
| 19:57.04 | florg | hi, can anyone tell me how to use the nbd-client? |
| 19:57.07 | stew | levander: i don't think a 600e would support acpi |
| 19:57.18 | quitte | lekvar: apm works perfectly well on thinkpad 600s. what's the problem you have? |
| 19:57.20 | xam | Snooze: as a temporary measure you should be able to boot with "devfs=nomount" as a kernel argument |
| 19:57.28 | florg | i set up a server and connected the client, but how can i access the exported file? |
| 19:57.42 | levander | stew: nah, didn't work, and your comment about 600e was probably for somebody else |
| 19:57.46 | bryndza | Does somebody have an idea why my swap partition with 500MB si mounted correctly, but shows that only 128MB swap memory si the total ammount of swap ? |
| 19:57.48 | sdakota | hi |
| 19:57.52 | sdakota | mhh |
| 19:57.52 | saloxin | levander: or alias fixit='umount; sleep 1; mount' in your bashrc |
| 19:57.55 | sdakota | i'll go to #apache |
| 19:58.17 | levander | saloxin: yeah, that's what i should do |
| 19:58.21 | Snooze | xam, what would be the correct command? |
| 19:58.42 | lekvar | quitte: The system doesn't activate my PCIMCA ethernet card. It beeps as though it's starting the card, but I have to manually "ifup eth0" to actually turn it on and make it run. |
| 19:58.49 | xam | Snooze: are you using grub or lilo? |
| 19:58.54 | Snooze | GRUB |
| 19:58.58 | Eulex | surfdue, have you checked your X log? |
| 19:59.06 | jair | guys to mount a NTFS hd on debian? |
| 19:59.10 | lekvar | quitte: Once i do that the lights on the card activate and dhcp takes over like it should |
| 19:59.23 | quitte | lekvar hotplug is not configured for it then i think. |
| 19:59.29 | jair | I know that to mount the flash drives is something like: mask and -0 involved there |
| 19:59.32 | Snooze | but keep in mind that when i want to boot normal i get this :GRUB Loading stage1.5. |
| 19:59.33 | Snooze | GRUB loading, please wait... |
| 19:59.33 | Snooze | Error 17 |
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| 19:59.43 | Eulex | !ntfs |
| 19:59.43 | dpkg | ntfs is, like, Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 19:59.45 | lekvar | quitte: apparently so. i'm not quite sure how to proceed on tihs one. |
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| 19:59.48 | jair | so it should be something using -vfat |
| 19:59.50 | bryndza | jair you need the NTFS module, and that the same way like any other fs, but NTFS is only supported ro i think |
| 20:00.06 | Eulex | jair, umh, vfat != ntfs |
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| 20:00.16 | ludi | should I have OSS or ALSA sound? |
| 20:00.20 | jair | Eulex, that will not mounted right |
| 20:00.28 | jair | vfat is Fat32 |
| 20:00.30 | jair | I think |
| 20:00.31 | sobersabre | ludi what is your card ? |
| 20:00.47 | quitte | lekvar: try reconfiguring it. i think there's a question about it. and have a look at man interfaces. look out for hotplug there,too |
| 20:00.57 | quitte | lekvar: dpkg-reconfigure hotplug |
| 20:01.03 | jair | bryndza, where do i get that module? apt-? |
| 20:01.05 | ludi | sobersabre: creative labs sound blaster live |
| 20:01.07 | lekvar | quitte: The install, wihch I only did yesterday, had some very strange behavior wrt the card. The system thought I had firewire ethernet during the install. If I manually installed the driver for the card, and the lte the system "autodetect" the network, and let it us the "firewire", it worked. |
| 20:01.11 | bryndza | nobedy has a idea about the swap problem ? |
| 20:01.16 | bobbens | ludi: id definately go with alsa |
| 20:01.24 | sobersabre | alsa, and if you have legassy apps, use oss emulation ALSA gives you. |
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| 20:01.32 | bobbens | ludi: it also supports OSS and can attempt to emulate OSS as ALSA |
| 20:01.40 | sdakota | anyone who can give me a link to a guide on how to set up NameVirtualHosts for Apache2? or tell me himself how to set up - a default VHOST, - an example vhost for e.g. example.tld, and - how to create subdomains for example.tld ? |
| 20:01.42 | bahamat | I was wondering if someone can help me out with patch-o-matic...I'm trying to get random match support in my kernel and I'm feeling a little lost |
| 20:01.45 | ludi | bobbens: why ALSA? |
| 20:01.55 | bobbens | ludi: it has software mixing among other things |
| 20:02.10 | quitte | lekvar: as ifup works im pretty sure hotplug detects the card fine |
| 20:02.10 | xam | Snooze: go to /boot/grub/menu.lst, edit the line that begins with '# kopt=...' and add 'devfs=nomount' to that line, but don't uncomment that line. Then run 'update-grub' as root |
| 20:02.10 | bobbens | ludi: more support, plugins, features |
| 20:02.21 | bobbens | ludi: oss just opens up /dev/dsp and writes to it |
| 20:02.36 | sdakota | anyone who can help me..? |
| 20:02.49 | sobersabre | ludi because it is: faster, better quality, allows non exclusive access, realtime response and better applications. |
| 20:02.51 | ludi | bobbens: okay my sound is working with alsa, but not in any games like quake3 or doom3 |
| 20:02.54 | bobbens | ludi: you can probably find alot more online like at alsa.org and such |
| 20:02.55 | lekvar | Perhaps it was a mistake to permit the installer to include task-laptop |
| 20:02.57 | sdakota | could someone help me please..? |
| 20:03.00 | bahamat | sdakota: copy /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to something else, and put NameVirtualHost *:80 at the top, then edit as necessary |
| 20:03.02 | Snooze | xam , HOW CAN I GO THERE , IF THE SYSTEM DOES NOT EVEN BOOT? |
| 20:03.10 | Snooze | ohh sorry for that :-(((( |
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| 20:03.23 | sobersabre | ludi you can play all of the games with alsa. |
| 20:03.28 | bobbens | ludi: do you have aoss package? |
| 20:03.30 | xam | Snooze: well fix your grub installation first then ;) |
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| 20:03.42 | Snooze | well yeah ! but how? |
| 20:03.42 | sdakota | bahamat: yea, that's default - I got that working - but not combined with another domain (it chose the default, eventhough a nameserver existed for the domain) |
| 20:03.48 | Eulex | jair, has the thing got a vfat or ntfs fs? |
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| 20:04.06 | jair | Eulex, it have a NTFS |
| 20:04.16 | sdakota | has* |
| 20:04.22 | Eulex | !tell jair about ntfs |
| 20:04.23 | jair | but I am looking for the command to mount with writing priviledges |
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| 20:04.39 | sdakota | !tell me about ntfs |
| 20:04.42 | bobbens | jair: i dont think the debian kernel supports writing to NTFS |
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| 20:04.45 | jair | Eulex, I mean let say I have a usb drive it should be fat16 or fat 32 right |
| 20:04.53 | bahamat | sdakota: did you include the line "ServerName foobar.com"? |
| 20:04.55 | Eulex | Snooze, you can edit the kernel options right in grub. |
| 20:04.57 | jair | and I want to mount it do you know that command? |
| 20:04.59 | Eulex | jair, right. |
| 20:05.04 | jjazz | jair, it should be fat32 |
| 20:05.09 | sdakota | bahamat: euhh... let me check |
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| 20:05.16 | sdakota | bahamat, yep |
| 20:05.19 | quitte | lekvar paste your interfaces in #flood,please |
| 20:05.24 | jair | yes but let's imagine that it is a Fat32 |
| 20:05.33 | jair | and I want to write on it? |
| 20:05.49 | d0ugie | would having apache's doc root on an nfs mounted drive be a bad idea |
| 20:05.54 | xam | Snooze: /sbin/grub-install doesn't work for you? |
| 20:05.54 | bahamat | sdakota: are you using the right name to access the server? |
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| 20:05.58 | lekvar | quitte: gimme a sec to start X up; i'm in console |
| 20:06.03 | Eulex | !vfatrw |
| 20:06.04 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
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| 20:06.16 | sdakota | bahamat: sec.. |
| 20:06.28 | Snooze | xam, you mean when i boot from the instalation CD? |
| 20:06.45 | saloxin | Snooze: you'll have to boot off something else, if your bootloader is hosed. we're back to convincing the install cd to rescue you with root=/dev/sda1 orso, using tom's rootboot floppy or even a knoppix cd |
| 20:07.40 | Snooze | saloxin, ok let me try... |
| 20:07.50 | sdakota | bahamat: something has changed - sec, let me examine |
| 20:08.08 | Snooze | saloxin, hold on , boot like that from DEbian install cd or from Knoppix cd? |
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| 20:08.23 | saloxin | Snooze: if you are not able to boot the system, next step is tking the disk out and mounting it as a slave disk in another machine |
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| 20:08.47 | xam | Snooze: boot from the CD, don't install but open a shell, mount your / from the hard disk, chroot into it, do a mount -a, edit the grub config and reinstall grub, umount -a, exit, umount the /, done |
| 20:08.54 | saloxin | Snooze: knoppix cd runs from the cd, so it needs no magic root=/dev/wedontknow incantation |
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| 20:09.37 | sdakota | bahamat: now I get the default page ("There is no ... at this address.") at every request. |
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| 20:10.27 | bahamat | sdakota: what's the full error? |
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| 20:10.41 | sdakota | bahamat: Not an error. The default page. /var/www/index.php: There is no website configured at this address. |
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| 20:11.10 | xam | Snooze: instead of /dev/hda1 it will be called /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 if you boot from the debian installation CD |
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| 20:11.33 | bahamat | sdakota: are you using somethin like directadmin or plesk? |
| 20:11.45 | sdakota | bahamat: euhh... not that I know o.O |
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| 20:11.53 | sdakota | bahamat: what are those for? |
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| 20:11.56 | GNULinux | I cannot get ident working, pidentd or slidentd |
| 20:12.06 | bahamat | sdakota: nevermind ;-) you don't want them |
| 20:12.12 | sdakota | bahamat: ok, good :) |
| 20:12.18 | GNULinux | i get error - Dec 15 21:10:26 jason slidentd [30217]: A [194.109.129.220] ERROR - Unable to match port pair |
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| 20:12.45 | bahamat | sdakota: ok, it would appear that your virtual host is actually working, however you'll need to tweak the extra things to make apache look in the right directory for DocumentRoot, etc |
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| 20:13.16 | sdakota | bahamat: yea - do you want me to paste my VirtualHost directives on a pastebin?? |
| 20:13.18 | bahamat | sdakota: just edit the virtual host file that you created as necessary, and check the apache logs |
| 20:13.26 | sdakota | bahamat: read one ? for that :/ |
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| 20:13.31 | stew | GNULinux: wild guess would be that you appear to be coming from a different port because of some nat device in between you and the inquiring host |
| 20:13.32 | andax | is there any command line mp3 encoder app in sarge? |
| 20:13.36 | franx | how do i shotdown the xserver? |
| 20:13.50 | stew | andax: no there are no mp3 enocders in debian, but you can get lame from marillat /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:13.51 | andax | franx: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 20:14.00 | andax | stew: thanks |
| 20:15.08 | Snooze | xam, booting like that it started the instalation :-((( |
| 20:15.09 | sdakota | bahamat: sec, i'll paste them |
| 20:15.09 | BobbyGrace | How do I configure Debian to use my swap partition as virtual memory ? |
| 20:15.10 | GNULinux | stew: i tried to put all the things into /etc/inetd.conf |
| 20:15.19 | GNULinux | but it alwas fails |
| 20:15.44 | Shadowcat | virtual memory? |
| 20:15.48 | Shadowcat | uhh swap == virtual memory |
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| 20:16.06 | Shadowcat | you don't need to configure anything |
| 20:16.08 | stew | BobbyGrace: man mkswap ; man swapon ; man fstab |
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| 20:16.15 | saloxin | Snooze: alt+f2 after it has detected your disk (_before_ partitionin them) |
| 20:16.19 | ludi | I have ALSA sound with a CA SB Live! card, it's working fine except in America's Army there is no sound and Quake3 there is no sound. Doom3 sound is working fine though. Any thoughts? |
| 20:16.27 | bradfed_ | I'm using make-kpkg to create a kernel image, but every time i reboot to the image i get a boot stop error saying the root=hda1 cannot be found. The kernel starts to load and gets past grub. It's just an ide boot controller. ANy clues from anyone? |
| 20:16.29 | BobbyGrace | oh, according to my monitor the swap space is never used |
| 20:16.34 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: do you mean how do you activate it? |
| 20:16.44 | xam | Snooze: no, there should be some option like 'rescue' or 'emergency shell' before you actually select a mirror and copy stuff to your hard disk |
| 20:16.46 | stew | bradfed_: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 20:16.47 | BobbyGrace | eeyore-: correct |
| 20:16.51 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: ok well, be glad you never dip into swap then :-) |
| 20:17.05 | andax | stew: thanks, the file is in mp3 now :) |
| 20:17.06 | Shadowcat | this isnn |
| 20:17.09 | Shadowcat | this isn't windblows |
| 20:17.14 | Shadowcat | swap isn't supposed to be used |
| 20:17.15 | eeyore- | BobbyGrace: you probably have sufficient RAM that kernel never needs to dip into swap. if you suspect this is not so, look at output of "free" |
| 20:17.16 | sdakota | http://pastebin.ca/33812 |
| 20:17.22 | sdakota | bahamat: http://pastebin.ca/33812 |
| 20:17.23 | stew | Shadowcat: that's not at all true |
| 20:17.36 | stew | Shadowcat: if no swap is being used your machine is probably not running optimally |
| 20:17.39 | rvsjoen | Snooze: add "rescue" to the boot parameters |
| 20:17.41 | Shadowcat | stew: it isn't supposed to be used during your normal idling |
| 20:17.43 | dotCOMmie | ludi: try purging quake3 config file (back up first) |
| 20:17.55 | BobbyGrace | stew: have 1gb of Ram |
| 20:17.56 | Shadowcat | unlike windows which uses memory as disk cache |
| 20:17.58 | xam | Shadowcat: what drugs are you taking? Can I get some of them? |
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| 20:18.16 | stew | BobbyGrace: yes, you would hope that some memory gets swapped out to make more room for filesystem caching |
| 20:18.24 | ludi | dotCOMmie: how do you do that? |
| 20:18.25 | stew | Shadowcat: how do you figure? |
| 20:18.34 | sdakota | bahamat: see anything? |
| 20:18.41 | Shadowcat | stew: Windblows pages everything out except the current active process |
| 20:18.50 | Shadowcat | so that it can use the memory for disk cache |
| 20:19.02 | Shadowcat | mainly because the performance of NTFS sucks |
| 20:19.06 | stew | Shadowcat: linux does the same, depending on your swappiness setting |
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| 20:19.25 | Shadowcat | stew: it's not in the same league |
| 20:19.26 | dotCOMmie | ludi: the user config files are stored in ~/.q3a/ (if you are talking about quake3 arena) |
| 20:19.35 | ludi | Q3A uses the /dev/dsp sound device for sound support under Linux. |
| 20:19.41 | dotCOMmie | ludi: there might be some additional system wide config |
| 20:19.43 | ludi | This |
| 20:19.43 | ludi | is the default device provided by the sound drivers included with the Linux |
| 20:19.43 | ludi | kernel. |
| 20:19.44 | stew | Shadowcat: what is not in the same league as what? |
| 20:19.45 | BobbyGrace | stew: ah, the swappiness setting. that's the word I was looking for. How do I set the amount of swappiness ? |
| 20:19.49 | js_ | ludi: you can choose another one if you want |
| 20:19.53 | stew | !swapiness |
| 20:19.56 | Shadowcat | stew: as Windows does by default |
| 20:19.58 | stew | !swappiness |
| 20:19.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, swappiness is A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swapiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3660 |
| 20:20.00 | ludi | js_: how? |
| 20:20.02 | stew | Shadowcat: yes, linux as well |
| 20:20.03 | js_ | ludi: +set snddev /dev/somethingelse |
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| 20:20.09 | js_ | ludi: on the command line |
| 20:20.20 | Shadowcat | stew: Windows swaps almost all of it out by default |
| 20:20.22 | Shadowcat | linux doesn't |
| 20:20.23 | ludi | how do I tell q3a to use ALSA? |
| 20:20.27 | js_ | ludi: +set snddevice, even |
| 20:20.49 | Shadowcat | stew: it's really annoying in Windows when you got 4gb of ram, and then you see that your pagefile usage is at 90% |
| 20:20.51 | js_ | ludi: use oss emulation |
| 20:20.55 | sdakota | bahamat: still there..? |
| 20:21.01 | Shadowcat | and you're running ONE firefox browser |
| 20:21.10 | Snooze | How do i add "rescue" to the boot parametres :-(((( |
| 20:21.13 | bahamat | sdakota: try replacing that index.php with something else |
| 20:21.21 | sdakota | bahamat: like? |
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| 20:21.24 | bahamat | Snooze: rescue isn't a boot parameter |
| 20:21.26 | ludi | js_: how do I use oss emulation? |
| 20:21.33 | Shadowcat | Snooze: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:21.34 | bobbens | ludi: do you have the aoss package? |
| 20:21.34 | bahamat | sdakota: like an index.html file that says "hi" |
| 20:21.37 | foo | If I got a package (like naim) and I wanted to make a deb out of it .. how simple is this? Where should I start? |
| 20:21.44 | stew | js_: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:21.49 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 20:21.54 | js_ | ludi: what stew said |
| 20:22.07 | ludi | bobbens: js: E: Couldn't find package aoss |
| 20:22.07 | sdakota | bahamat: sec |
| 20:22.10 | bahamat | sdakota: your docroot's kind of overlap, that's not a good idea |
| 20:22.14 | saloxin | sdakota: you might want to add a dns A record for your domain? |
| 20:22.20 | Shadowcat | foo: google for debian maintainers guide |
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| 20:22.30 | sdakota | saloxin, already done. |
| 20:22.30 | foo | Shadowcat: thanks |
| 20:22.32 | Shadowcat | Debian Policy wouldn't hurt either |
| 20:22.35 | sdakota | saloxin: have you digged? |
| 20:22.35 | stew | foo: naim is already in the archive, you know |
| 20:22.40 | bahamat | sdakota: default is /var/www and dazjorz.com is /var/www/dazjorz.com |
| 20:22.41 | ludi | bobbens: js: I found alsa-oss package |
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| 20:22.48 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 20:22.49 | bobbens | ludi: well that i meant |
| 20:22.49 | js_ | ludi: its called alsa-oss |
| 20:22.50 | foo | stew: Yes, but not the newest version... I don't think. |
| 20:22.51 | Snooze | (rvsjoen): Snooze: add "rescue" to the boot parameters |
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| 20:22.54 | NrGN | hello guys.. |
| 20:22.54 | Shadowcat | I've never used naim |
| 20:22.59 | stew | foo: what version are you after? |
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| 20:23.02 | bobbens | ludi: its just it gives you the aoss program >< |
| 20:23.04 | Shadowcat | foo: there's probably a reason for that |
| 20:23.07 | saloxin | sdakota: daz...com doesn't resolve for me. ns1.das...com does |
| 20:23.09 | NrGN | what do u suggest to me.. opteron 146 or athlon64 3200+ venice ?.? |
| 20:23.12 | Shadowcat | lazy maintainer/abi transition |
| 20:23.17 | Shadowcat | those are the two most likely |
| 20:23.18 | foo | stew: naim-0.11.8.1 |
| 20:23.22 | sdakota | bahamat: no, default is /var/www and dazjorz.com /var/www/dazjorz.com/htdocs |
| 20:23.24 | ludi | I *hope* this gives me sound in q3a and america's army ! |
| 20:23.26 | franx | i tried to shutdown x with control alt backspace but it keeps opening a login window |
| 20:23.28 | Snooze | Shadowcat, i am tring to boot :-( |
| 20:23.29 | stew | !info naim unstable |
| 20:23.31 | Shadowcat | NrGN: apart from the fact that they're in totally different price ranges? |
| 20:23.41 | dpkg | naim: (A console client for AOL Instant Messenger and IRC), section net, is optional. Version: 0.11.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 191 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 20:23.42 | Ronin | franx: that restarts it not shuts it down |
| 20:23.44 | stew | foo: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:23.51 | BobbyGrace | stew: I have swappiness set to 60. Is that e decent number for my hardware (1,7Ghz Pentium M, 1gb RAM). If not, is the best way to change it: "echo XX > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness" where XX is the number. If 60 is not decent, what would an appropriate number be ? |
| 20:23.52 | sdakota | saloxin, dazjorz.com doesn't, but ns1.dazjorz.com does? odd. here it works nicely. probably you have to wait for a dns recache or something. |
| 20:23.52 | Shadowcat | Snooze: you're not running 2.6.14 off the debian repositories are you? |
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| 20:23.54 | bahamat | sdakota: whatever...but dazjorz is under the same directory as default |
| 20:23.55 | stew | foo: you can easily recompile the unstable apckage for your machine |
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| 20:23.59 | bahamat | sdakota: that's bad |
| 20:24.02 | xam | Snooze: when you boot the debian CD, before hitting enter to boot from the CD press F1. F2 etc for help. Read it |
| 20:24.06 | NrGN | Shadowcat opteron 146 for socket 939 has the same price with athlon64 3200+ |
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| 20:24.10 | sdakota | bahamat: yes... oh... ok, i'll repair that |
| 20:24.11 | franx | and how could i shout it down |
| 20:24.23 | foo | stew: hm, well, I just built from source and got it working.. was looking for a way to contribute. |
| 20:24.24 | stew | BobbyGrace: its the default, stick with it for a while |
| 20:24.28 | Snooze | xam , i am in that shell |
| 20:24.35 | ludi | bobbens: js: okay I installed alsa-oss package, still no sound in q3a. Do I need to do something else? |
| 20:24.40 | Shadowcat | NrGN: yes but they're for different markets |
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| 20:24.55 | Shadowcat | or rather |
| 20:24.59 | Shadowcat | meant for different tasks |
| 20:25.00 | Snooze | (saloxin): Snooze: alt+f2 after it has detected your disk (_before_ partitionin them) |
| 20:25.01 | NrGN | Shadowcat yes, i know. that's why I can't deside. it's for a desktop PC. |
| 20:25.07 | stew | foo: since its already in unstalbe i don't know how you would be contributing, if you want to contirbute a package find one that isn't already packaged or one from wnpp /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 20:25.07 | NrGN | what do u suggest me?.? |
| 20:25.08 | xam | Snooze: are you in a bash shell, or do you mean the boot prompt? |
| 20:25.11 | saloxin | sdakota: dig dazjorz.com @ns1.dazjorz.com <- no answer |
| 20:25.12 | Snooze | saloxin, i am in that shell now.. what do i do? |
| 20:25.22 | saloxin | Snooze: fdisk -l |
| 20:25.25 | xam | Snooze: good |
| 20:25.27 | foo | stew: hm, ok. tahnks |
| 20:25.34 | Snooze | :-))) |
| 20:25.37 | saloxin | Snooze: or cat /proc/partitions |
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| 20:25.47 | sdakota | saloxin: works good here. |
| 20:25.48 | foo | hmm, I have a JHAT KVM and if I don't start up my linux box with with that box selected then X goes crazy. In fluxbox, I mean, my mouse just goes absolutely crazy. Any ideas on what's up? |
| 20:25.50 | Snooze | ok please .. |
| 20:26.00 | Snooze | what now? |
| 20:26.12 | sdakota | saloxin: probably is the old error - response at a different port - it's something really strange and I've been trying to solve it for days without success |
| 20:26.23 | citral | BobbyGrace: with 1GB ram, do you really think that the swap area will be often used? |
| 20:26.28 | Snooze | fdisk -l? or cat? |
| 20:26.36 | saloxin | sdakota: i'm just thinking thta might hte root of your virtual host problem |
| 20:26.39 | ansong | where can i go to find out when openoffice.org 2 gets into testing? |
| 20:26.53 | xam | Snooze: do a 'mkdir /myroot' and then a 'mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /myroot', then a 'chroot /myroot /bin/bash' |
| 20:26.53 | thingfish | ansong: packages.debian.org |
| 20:26.57 | ludi | js_: I installed alsa-oss package, still no sound in q3a. Do I need to do something else? |
| 20:27.03 | jair | so if I want to mount a "NTFS" partition hard drive call hdb1 to see what is in there what i should do I do not want to write on it because I know that linux and NTFS are not compatible 100% to write. |
| 20:27.06 | saloxin | Snooze: you are trying to figure out which disk holds your root partition, both fdisk and cat will list available partitions |
| 20:27.16 | saloxin | Snooze: follow xam |
| 20:27.37 | sdakota | saloxin: probably not... |
| 20:27.43 | xam | saloxin: it is /dev/hda1, so it should be /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 I guess |
| 20:27.50 | Snooze | (saloxin): Snooze: alt+f2 after it has detected your disk (_before_ partitionin them) |
| 20:27.56 | Snooze | dang .. sorry |
| 20:27.58 | citral | jair: just mount it, the default kernel driver mounts it read-only iirc |
| 20:28.01 | saloxin | xam: we don't know it's /dev/hda1 :-( |
| 20:28.06 | xam | Snoze: that is correct ... |
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| 20:28.11 | jjazz | ludi, alsaconf |
| 20:28.12 | stew | citral: one would hope that swap gets used no matter how much memory you have. my servers that have 2gb and 4gb of ram all use they swap |
| 20:28.26 | rvsjoen | jair http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.5 |
| 20:28.29 | foo | Anyway to restart the "mouse daemon" in fluxbox? Maybe that will fix my problem |
| 20:28.32 | jair | citral, will be: mount -t vfat /hdb1 /mnt? |
| 20:28.34 | stew | ^they^their |
| 20:28.44 | sdakota | bahamat, ok, I changed something at default - let me check if dazjorz.com works now |
| 20:28.46 | citral | jair: -t ntfs of course |
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| 20:28.52 | xam | saloxin: we. I think we might: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1296 |
| 20:28.57 | jair | citral, thanks |
| 20:28.58 | saloxin | sdakota: you can't expect dazjorz.com to work as a virtual host if the dns doesn't resolve |
| 20:29.09 | lekvar | quitte: Nada. Same exact thing. |
| 20:29.16 | tecomolaboca065 | hola chicas lindas |
| 20:29.19 | rvsjoen | jair: you can add -r if you want to mount it read-only |
| 20:29.30 | sdakota | saloxin: the dns resolves fine here! and whatever, if I get the default page then the IP will be working so it will give the HOST parameter, so apache will know what to do anyway. |
| 20:29.36 | jair | rvsjoen, thank you very much |
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| 20:29.47 | sdakota | saloxin: otherwise I'd get an error saying "can't find dazjorz.com" or something linke that |
| 20:29.49 | ludi | jjazz: what is alsaconf? |
| 20:29.51 | jair | rvsjoen, but even without the -r i can not write on a ntfs right? |
| 20:29.52 | sdakota | saloxin, like* |
| 20:29.56 | saloxin | xam: heh, that was me talking Snooze into booting with roor=/dev/hda1, assuming it was a default default install |
| 20:29.58 | xam | saloxin: it just can't boot because he's using a devfs kernel to boot with doesn't knom about /dev/hda1 |
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| 20:30.08 | sdakota | bahamat, still not - dazjorz.com gives the default page, now saying "hi" |
| 20:30.08 | ansong | thingfish, thanks. technically you answered my question. I just worded it ambiguously. What i meant was, is there an estimated date that oo.o2 will get into testing... |
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| 20:30.18 | rvsjoen | jair, depends whether ntfs write support is enabled in the kernel |
| 20:30.24 | saloxin | xam: i might be confised :-/ |
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| 20:30.29 | dusty- | To get the latest release do I just run: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:30.41 | jair | rvsjoen, nice |
| 20:30.45 | bahamat | sdakota: your virtual server is ready and working |
| 20:30.48 | ludi | bobbens: I installed alsa-oss package, still no sound in q3a. Do I need to do something else? |
| 20:30.52 | jair | rvsjoen, i will have to read about it later ;) |
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| 20:31.01 | stew | dusty-: what do you mean by latest release? what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:31.03 | bahamat | take all of your dazjorz content and put it in the directory specified by DocumentRoot |
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| 20:31.13 | jair | I just need read only for now ;) |
| 20:31.13 | sdakota | bahamat: not really - dazjorz.com isn't giving the page it should be |
| 20:31.16 | jair | cool |
| 20:31.26 | bahamat | sdakota: yes it is |
| 20:31.30 | dusty- | stew, I have just done a netinstall of 3.1.r0 and I want to make sure everythings uptodate (bleeding edge)? |
| 20:31.35 | jair | thank you very much, rvsjoen citral :) |
| 20:31.43 | sdakota | bahamat: what is dazjorz.com saying for you? and what is 82.168.141.105 saying for you? |
| 20:31.50 | bahamat | it says hi |
| 20:32.03 | bahamat | actually they both say hi |
| 20:32.03 | stew | dusty-: 3.1r0a is debian stable and will only get security updates, is it those security updates that you are after? |
| 20:32.07 | sdakota | bahamat: if you go to dazjorz.com it should say "test" |
| 20:32.17 | bahamat | sdakota: ah, I see |
| 20:32.18 | sdakota | bahamat: any other host would be "hi" |
| 20:32.41 | sdakota | bahamat: so it isn't :( |
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| 20:32.48 | dusty- | stew, Yes but.. like say I have outdated software installed I want everything updated to the latest stable, as well as grabbing sec patches. |
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| 20:32.52 | bahamat | sdakota: did you restart apache? |
| 20:33.01 | sdakota | bahamat: I did /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 20:33.05 | sdakota | bahamat: should be enough |
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| 20:33.10 | saloxin | Snooze: how did it go? |
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| 20:33.14 | xam | Snooze: after the 'chroot' do a 'mount /proc', 'mount /boot' (if you have an extra partition for /boot), then edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst' as I told you |
| 20:33.25 | Snooze | It doesnt work... look :-(((( |
| 20:33.29 | bahamat | sdakota: look at the error logs for more information |
| 20:33.37 | sdakota | bahamat: sec |
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| 20:33.58 | xam | Snooze: without any error reports from you we can't help you :( |
| 20:34.02 | stew | dusty-: to get security patches, make sure you ahve a security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list. once a debian version is labeled stable it never gets new versions of packages, if packges are out of date they will not get new versions until the next version of debian is released |
| 20:34.10 | sdakota | bahamat: what error log? the one provided in the non-working dazjorz.com vhost? the syslog? the default error log? |
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| 20:34.23 | bahamat | sdakota: default error log |
| 20:34.32 | stew | dusty-: if a security problem is found with a package in stable a security patch will be backported to the old version in stable |
| 20:34.37 | jake1932 | any idea why i'd get this " SMTP>> STARTTLS SMTP<< 220 2.0.0 SMTP server ready" and then stops? |
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| 20:34.40 | bahamat | sdakota: or try apache2ctl configtest |
| 20:34.41 | dusty- | stew, hrm ok. Thanks for the info. Im new to debian you see, come from a bsd background. |
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| 20:34.47 | jake1932 | for exim4 |
| 20:34.50 | dusty- | stew, I see. |
| 20:34.52 | dusty- | thanks |
| 20:35.23 | GNULinux | stew: netstat shows me this: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 30213/inetd |
| 20:35.36 | sdakota | bahamat: the dazjorz.com errorlog is empty, the default errorlog only has a lot of "favicon.ico doesn't exist" after the apache2 reload, and the syslog... haven't looked at it yet |
| 20:35.40 | stew | GNULinux: then you are listening for identd connections |
| 20:35.42 | sdakota | bahamat: "Syntax OK" |
| 20:35.50 | GNULinux | stew: but there were some problems for identd in kernel 2.6.12 |
| 20:35.51 | sdakota | bahamat: though apache2ctl -S gives me: |
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| 20:36.10 | Snooze | mount: Mounting /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 on /myroot failed: No such file or directory :-(( |
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| 20:36.25 | stew | dusty-: if you wish to stay on stable but need to upgrade a particular package you can backport a newer package (compile it against the stable libraries) /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:36.31 | Snooze | and i did creat it fiorst! |
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| 20:36.51 | ludi | Need help with sound in some games not working. Q3, America's Army sound not working. Sound works in Doom3 though. |
| 20:36.51 | mikolaj | hi all |
| 20:36.52 | dusty- | stew, thanks again. |
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| 20:36.56 | stew | GNULinux: your problems are that your ident is saying that it can't match ports with requests? |
| 20:37.00 | sdakota | bahamat: VirtualHost configuration: 82.168.141.105:80 is a NameVirtualHost default server dazjorz.com, port 80 namevhost dazjorz.com, wildcard NameVirtualHost and _default_ servers: *:* server.dazjorz.com .... *segmentation fault* |
| 20:37.01 | Zugschlus | jake1932 is most probably running out of entropy, and is already being taken care of on #exim |
| 20:37.04 | stew | GNULinux: are you behind nat? |
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| 20:37.24 | GNULinux | stew: no, i am not..but machine uses multiple IPs |
| 20:37.34 | xam | Snoooze: okay, do you have a /dev/ide at all? |
| 20:37.36 | Snooze | I see the dir wit ls |
| 20:37.46 | stew | GNULinux: do you need to give out accurate ident or just need to somehow reply to ident? |
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| 20:38.03 | GNULinux | stew: i need it for IRC, to reply to those irc servers |
| 20:38.10 | stew | GNULinux: just use nullidentd |
| 20:38.23 | xam | Snooze: okay, can you do a 'find /dev/ide | grep part' |
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| 20:38.32 | stew | GNULinux: null identd always just answers with the same ident nomatter who is asking and about what |
| 20:38.55 | Snooze | no such file or directory |
| 20:39.14 | Snooze | i do have de /dev |
| 20:39.17 | sdakota | bahamat: gtg |
| 20:39.17 | sdakota | bye |
| 20:39.31 | bahamat | sdakota: that's likely your problem |
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| 20:40.04 | saloxin | Snooze: cat /proc/partitions - and paste output on pastebin orso |
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| 20:40.45 | xam | Snooze: is there a /dev/hda ? Are you using the debian installation CD for sarge at all? |
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| 20:41.02 | BBkenshin | hi every one, |
| 20:41.30 | Snooze | xam , no hda ... and yes i am using the inst CD |
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| 20:42.10 | saloxin | Snooze, xam: wait, maybe the disk is dead/ide cable fell out or something? |
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| 20:42.33 | saloxin | Snooze: can you hear the disk spin up when you power up? |
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| 20:42.39 | xam | Snooze: as saloxin said, what does 'cat /proc/partitions' tell you? does it detect any hard disk partitions? |
| 20:42.42 | GNULinux | stew: so the ident reply is always foobar ? |
| 20:42.52 | Snooze | i did what you told me before.. i boot with the cd.. linux /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 and then alt+F2 |
| 20:43.07 | stew | GNULinux: will nullidentd you just put the name you want it to reply to on the commandline in idend.conf |
| 20:43.11 | GNULinux | stew: can i make it to be "username" ? |
| 20:43.23 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.27 | stew | GNULinux: you can make it anything you desire |
| 20:43.32 | mo1991 | what is a good antivirus package for linux? |
| 20:43.39 | stew | mo1991: clamav |
| 20:44.14 | Snooze | xam, i don;t see anything :-(((( |
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| 20:44.37 | saloxin | Snooze: alt+f1, which stage are you on? |
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| 20:44.53 | Snooze | Choose lang |
| 20:44.57 | xam | Snooze: it seems it hasn't loaded the hard disk driver yet. I guess you are using SATA drives? |
| 20:45.20 | Snooze | saloxin should i go on? |
| 20:45.33 | Snooze | :D and stop where? |
| 20:45.41 | saloxin | where are you now? |
| 20:45.45 | Snooze | Not to override the old install? |
| 20:45.59 | Snooze | i am at Choose Language |
| 20:46.10 | xam | Snooze: can you do a ALT-F1 and continue in the installation, just before it ask you to partition the hard disk, and then go back to ALT-F2 |
| 20:46.12 | saloxin | when it asks you to partition your disk, go to alt+f2 |
| 20:46.23 | Snooze | }{}{}{} |
| 20:46.31 | saloxin | ah choose language, disks aren't detected yet |
| 20:46.34 | xam | saloxin ;))) |
| 20:46.47 | Snooze | Detecting hardware.. please w8 |
| 20:46.53 | GNULinux | stew: nullidentd doesnt have a file /etc/identd.conf ... |
| 20:46.55 | saloxin | Snooze: and keyboard, location, whatnot |
| 20:47.08 | stouset | Woot. Just got my grades back. I am officially graduated :) |
| 20:47.29 | stew | GNULinux: oh i meant to say inetd.conf not identd.conf |
| 20:47.41 | rvsjoen | congrats stouset |
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| 20:47.58 | Snooze | should i conf the network again? |
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| 20:48.22 | stew | stouset: congrats |
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| 20:48.50 | ludi | how would I load snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss automatically on system boot? |
| 20:48.56 | saloxin | Snooze: drop to vc2, and check if /prc/partitions has woken up |
| 20:49.03 | rvsjoen | ludi: put them in /etc/modules |
| 20:49.07 | P4C0 | hello guys, where can I go to talk about the making of debian packages? |
| 20:49.26 | azeem | P4C0: #debian-mentors, I believe |
| 20:49.32 | Snooze | vc2? |
| 20:49.33 | azeem | or try to ask specific questions in here |
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| 20:49.51 | Snooze | yeee |
| 20:49.57 | soymilk | is there a command to show the complete mount options of a mount, beyond what "mount" shows? |
| 20:50.05 | Snooze | yep woken up :P |
| 20:50.14 | Snooze | should i retry the mount part? |
| 20:50.16 | P4C0 | thanks azeem |
| 20:50.18 | amphi | soymilk: man mount? |
| 20:50.25 | saloxin | Snooze: /lastlog xam and follow instrucions :-) |
| 20:50.36 | xam | Snooze: yes please ;) |
| 20:50.44 | soymilk | amphi: really? |
| 20:50.46 | mo1991 | stew - how is the user interface with clamav? |
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| 20:52.27 | GNULinux | stew: this is the only line from inetd.conf - ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd |
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| 20:53.34 | stew | mo1991: its commandline, there is a "clamscan" program to scan an individual file or directory, if you want a gui, there a avscan package that wraps a gui around it |
| 20:53.59 | stew | GNULinux: that last nullidentd at the end of the line is what is going to return, change that to your liking |
| 20:54.21 | amphi | soymilk: what was the meaning of your question? |
| 20:54.22 | GNULinux | stew: but it returns "foobar" |
| 20:54.50 | cmatheson | so the default chinese font is crazy hard-to-read in X (especially w/ font-aa turned on). anyway, i've installed a better font and turned off aa for that font, but i can't figure out how to make X use it instead of the default chinese font... any ideas? |
| 20:55.14 | stew | GNULinux: that's odd, did you restart inetd? check with /usr/share/doc/nullidentd/* |
| 20:55.30 | GNULinux | stew: yes i restarted |
| 20:55.31 | soymilk | amphi: what was the meaning of yours? |
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| 20:56.26 | Snooze | Guys.. the mount.. Failed: Invalid argument :-((( |
| 20:56.32 | azeem | soymilk: the mount manpage will tell you the options, run 'man mount' to read it |
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| 20:56.46 | Snooze | i did ... mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /myroot |
| 20:56.48 | GNULinux | There's only one (optional) parameter, it specifies what userid the identd |
| 20:56.48 | GNULinux | server will return as a response. The default userid is 'foobar'. Note that |
| 20:56.50 | GNULinux | no validation is attempted on the port numbers of the request. |
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| 20:57.14 | GNULinux | but where do i have to change that reply? at the end of /etc/inetd.conf entry? |
| 20:57.15 | soymilk | azeem: oh. thanks. |
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| 20:57.33 | Snooze | xam, saloxin ? :-( |
| 20:57.37 | mo1991 | stew - is there a gui for clamav that is in the debian repository? |
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| 20:57.47 | mo1991 | such as clamtk? |
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| 20:57.49 | stew | mo1991: yes, its called avscan |
| 20:57.52 | xam | Snooze: now do a 'chroot /myroot' and then 'mount /proc' |
| 20:58.12 | Snooze | but it failed...;-( |
| 20:58.17 | Snooze | the mount failed |
| 20:58.20 | mo1991 | stew - is that in testing or unstable? |
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| 20:58.24 | Snooze | should i go on? |
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| 20:58.56 | azeem | mo1991: check packages.debian.org/avscan |
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| 20:59.19 | xam | Snooze: what is the error message? what is the filesystem of your / partition? check /proc/partitions again please |
| 20:59.23 | saloxin | Snooze: does your /dev/ide.. match /proc/partitions? |
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| 20:59.52 | mo1991 | azeem - any way to get a backport for stable? |
| 20:59.58 | stew | mo1991: oh maybe its only in testing, if you are on stable you will want to run clamav from volatile, /msg dpkg volatile ; and backport avscan, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:00.12 | Snooze | xam the error is Failed: Invalid argument |
| 21:00.23 | mo1991 | k thx stew |
| 21:00.40 | cmatheson | does anyone know how you can control what fonts X is using? i tried looking through /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, but there doesn't seem to be any way to specify fonts for different languages |
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| 21:01.17 | xam | Snooze: interesting. What does 'cat /proc/partitions' say? |
| 21:01.21 | AciD | cmatheson > isn't in xorg.conf ? |
| 21:01.23 | mo1991 | stew - why not run clamav that is in stable? |
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| 21:02.16 | cmatheson | AciD: not as far as i know... you add font paths in X... but that's not my problem. the font is avaliable it's just not being used by gtk apps, etc. it's still using the font it used to use. i just need to switch the default font |
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| 21:02.40 | stew | mo1991: the clam in stable can't scan for all the latest viruses, when new viruses come out they sometimes need to update the clam engine for it to handle the newer virus definitions, this is why volatile was created, specifically for these rare cases where you need new packages on stable |
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| 21:02.47 | AciD | cmatheson > did you took a look at defoma ? |
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| 21:03.00 | xam | mo1991: it is because of the conspiracy of the spyware cabal |
| 21:03.11 | cmatheson | AciD: hmm, i haven't. I just thought defoma was for adding fonts, but i could check it out |
| 21:03.13 | Snooze | xam.. hummm :like 2 infos |
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| 21:04.31 | franx | how do i shutdown x or start in text-only mode? |
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| 21:04.49 | mo1991 | stew - thanks that makes sense |
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| 21:05.03 | stew | franx: to stop x stop the dm /etc/init.d/?dm stop ; to do that permanantly /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:05.18 | Snooze | 16777152 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disk 90 15 210 ...etc |
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| 21:05.42 | xam | mo1991: they created clamav in order to make you feel safe, instead clamav IS the software that spreads the viruses. Or have you ever heard of a linux system that was ever infected? No? There is no reason why the is a clamav, except that it is a trojan horse in reality |
| 21:06.05 | Snooze | and the oter one 16771828 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 89 12...etc |
| 21:06.57 | xam | Snooze: okay, that is the full disk, aka /dev/hda ... but we need something that ends in ...target0/lun0/partX |
| 21:07.10 | xam | Snooze: good, that is the one |
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| 21:07.25 | dimir | omg |
| 21:07.26 | Snooze | ok , lets go on... |
| 21:07.27 | [_[DK]_] | Hi. Pls help my for the private. French pls |
| 21:07.32 | dimir | !nickometer [_[DK]_] |
| 21:07.33 | dpkg | '[_[DK]_]' is 98.340% lame, dimir |
| 21:07.33 | Snooze | what do we do next? |
| 21:07.37 | dimir | yes. |
| 21:08.00 | [_[DK]_] | ls |
| 21:08.02 | stew | xam: clamav is not software that spreads viruses. clamav is also useful on linux to scan windows partitions and email destined for windows users |
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| 21:08.18 | dimir | irc shell> ls: command not found |
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| 21:08.20 | [_[DK]_] | interface graphyque. don`t is working for linuix debian |
| 21:08.20 | jjazz | !fr |
| 21:08.21 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 21:08.41 | dimir | yes, get lost. |
| 21:08.43 | xam | Snooze: try a 'mount -t ext2 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /myroot', (If you filesystem you use is different, change the 'ext2' accordingly |
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| 21:09.17 | xam | stew: linux connected to windows? why would someone want do that? |
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| 21:09.32 | xam | stew ;) |
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| 21:09.34 | Snooze | humm it might be ext3 |
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| 21:09.42 | Snooze | how can i find out? |
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| 21:11.10 | Snooze | xam, same error failed : Invalid argument :-((( |
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| 21:12.01 | kyncani | Hi, i've got a problem with debconf/dpkg-reconfigure : i set a debconf value using debconf-set-selections (checked with debconf-get-selections). Now when i dpkg-reconfigure the package, it sets the debconf values to their old values (checked with debconf-get-selections also). |
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| 21:12.28 | xam | Snooze: strange, can you try a 'modprobe ext2' and 'modprobe ext3' first and then try again? |
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| 21:12.38 | dougl | dougl deb=sid current cvs of lirc configure says libusb is req'd but...kpackage says name "libusb-0.1-4" = install ok installed, can someone help me figure this out? |
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| 21:12.42 | Snooze | sure |
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| 21:13.56 | mo1991 | xam, how would clamav spread viruses? |
| 21:14.06 | lekvar | Crap! badblocks foud bad blocks. Grr. |
| 21:14.16 | kyncani | ***, have to go |
| 21:14.21 | mo1991 | and I'm not worried about viruses on my nix box - just for my windows - work machine |
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| 21:15.09 | SimonRaven | clamav doesn't spread viruses |
| 21:15.15 | SimonRaven | *blink* |
| 21:15.18 | Snooze | xam, "insmod: ext2.o no module by that neme found |
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| 21:15.21 | stew | mo1991: ignore xam he's just spreading random FUD |
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| 21:16.15 | mo1991 | stew - BTW backporting avscan not so easy - requires backporting libendeavour2-dev as well |
| 21:16.17 | xam | stew: heh, that is what YOU think! They are out there and want YOU to have their SPAM! Muawahahahaha! |
| 21:16.17 | Snooze | xam , and on ext3 " modprobe: fail to load module ext3 |
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| 21:17.17 | Myon | stew: I can upload an avscan to backports.org if you want |
| 21:17.19 | xam | Snooze: mhh, strange. But why would it say 'invalid argument' ... are you sure there is no typo somewhere? |
| 21:17.32 | Myon | I had planned that anyway |
| 21:17.42 | Myon | ... avscan backport |
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| 21:17.55 | Snooze | xam let me check again.... |
| 21:18.09 | Snooze | (xam): Snooze: try a 'mount -t ext2 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /myroot', |
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| 21:18.23 | Snooze | so it will be.. : mount -t ext2 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /myroot |
| 21:18.26 | bradfed_ | is there a way to pull all the options you are running out of a current kernel, so when you roll the new one .config will be similar without having the current source code? |
| 21:18.30 | stew | Myon: i don't need one, mo1991 might |
| 21:18.39 | Snooze | is that right? |
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| 21:18.54 | thingfish | bradfed_: look in /boot |
| 21:19.04 | Myon | k, didn't read the backlog that far |
| 21:19.13 | mo1991 | Myon - backports.org diesn't seem to have the packages up right now |
| 21:19.15 | thingfish | bradfed_: look for config-2.blah.etc |
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| 21:19.19 | stew | bradfed_: the current running kernel's config should be /boot/config-$(uanme -r) |
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| 21:19.34 | Myon | mo1991: nb, the libendeavour2 backport is already there |
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| 21:19.38 | Myon | http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/e/endeavour/ |
| 21:19.44 | bradfed_ | thanks guys |
| 21:19.47 | Myon | was accepted this morning |
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| 21:20.13 | Snooze | xam, i get mount: Mounting /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 on /myroot failed: Invalid argument |
| 21:20.37 | xam | Snooze: well you said you have ext3, so instead of ext2 it should be ext3 ... but even that should work ... You have done a 'mkdir /myroot' obviously, since there would be a different error message |
| 21:21.04 | mo1991 | Myron thx |
| 21:21.10 | xam | Snooze: I'm buffled |
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| 21:22.03 | thingfish | I wonder if anyone's ever written a little program to tell you what to cook for supper tonight. |
| 21:22.14 | xam | baffled even |
| 21:22.22 | Snooze | hummm |
| 21:22.24 | SimonRaven | recipe randomiser |
| 21:22.26 | Snooze | well we got here.. |
| 21:22.35 | UdontKnow | heh |
| 21:22.45 | Snooze | can we do anything to reboot always from a disk or something? |
| 21:22.48 | lekvar | Okay I have bad blocks on my primary partition. Is it enough to reboot -F? |
| 21:23.15 | Snooze | i just wann boot one more time to backup my data... |
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| 21:24.24 | xam | thingfish: I usually roll the dice and then do a quickcall <number> on my phone to call one of the fast food deliveries |
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| 21:25.06 | SimonRaven | monday: steak tartar with a grilled cheese side order friday: duck a l'orange with a red snapper overlay saturday: caribou fondue with wild potatoes |
| 21:25.08 | thingfish | xam: I've done that far too many times in the past. Now I try to cook and eat both cheaper and healthier. |
| 21:25.25 | SimonRaven | sunday: bath water |
| 21:25.30 | SimonRaven | hey wait a minute! |
| 21:25.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:25.47 | thingfish | I'll do steak tartare |
| 21:25.50 | SimonRaven | how did *that* get in? |
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| 21:26.45 | thingfish | but I'll pass on the duck+fish |
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| 21:27.07 | sussudio | turducken? |
| 21:27.10 | SimonRaven | i was trying to think of bad combos ;) |
| 21:27.23 | thingfish | SimonRaven: you did pretty well. |
| 21:27.24 | jair | guys it is a script that allow me to restart the network interfaces without lost the connection but i can't not remember it. |
| 21:27.24 | xam | thingfish: beh. Tartare. As if sushi wasn't bad enough |
| 21:27.51 | thingfish | xam: you are obviously all screwed up with your tastes. |
| 21:28.07 | jair | I love this xchat, or I think is the Aspell software I install that now correct everything i type in all the programs. |
| 21:28.12 | xam | thingfish: YOU are telling ME that? Tartare??? |
| 21:28.14 | Snooze | saloxin, xam , any other thought? |
| 21:28.16 | SimonRaven | sushi is good. well, fish is good |
| 21:28.23 | saloxin | Snooze: /lastlog Snooze |
| 21:28.29 | saloxin | ew |
| 21:28.30 | thingfish | what's the big deal? Raw beef, so what. |
| 21:28.32 | mo1991 | Myon Stew - thx backporting avscan now |
| 21:28.42 | jair | abrotman, hello |
| 21:28.46 | sussudio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken |
| 21:28.47 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:28.59 | Snooze | saloxin? |
| 21:28.59 | SimonRaven | it exists? |
| 21:29.01 | jair | guys which one is the script to restart the network without lost the connection |
| 21:29.01 | Myon | mo1991: I'll tell you when it's ready |
| 21:29.02 | jair | ? |
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| 21:29.14 | mo1991 | Myon - hmm had some compilation error? |
| 21:29.22 | thingfish | hey turducken is supposed to be real good stuff. |
| 21:29.29 | valdyn | jair: you cannot really do that |
| 21:29.31 | saloxin | Snooze: i was away with a vnc setup, so i was looking at what happened since last time |
| 21:29.41 | sussudio | thingfish: that's what they say about haggis. |
| 21:29.45 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:29.46 | Snooze | oh ok }{ |
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| 21:29.52 | Dagon | hm... |
| 21:29.59 | xam | Snooze: well you cannot boot into the system at all? I'll give up for tonight, perhaps again tomorrow |
| 21:30.19 | valdyn | jair: but, connections will seemingly stay if your ip does not change and you /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:30.29 | saloxin | Snooze: mkdir /myroot; mount -t ext2 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /myroot failed? |
| 21:30.35 | Snooze | i can't boot , unless we find a way to do it :-( |
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| 21:31.00 | Snooze | saloxin, yes failed, Invalid argument |
| 21:31.14 | SimonRaven | holy, that's quite the meal |
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| 21:32.02 | saloxin | i know it's blasphemy in this channel, but burn a knoppix cd, boot it, browse your disk back it up etc, and fix it from there. beware that knoppix mounts disks with -o noexec, which you have to change with mount -o remount,exec |
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| 21:32.55 | jair | valdyn, ohh ok |
| 21:32.56 | xam | saloxin: he said it failed with 'invalid argument', but the device seems to be the correct one ... also modprobing ext2/3 didn't work. Don't know what's wrong. I did the very same thing a month ago and it worked. |
| 21:32.57 | jair | got it |
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| 21:33.22 | saloxin | xam: i do the same every time i hose my kernel. shoudl just work |
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| 21:34.19 | SimonRaven | you hose your kernel? doesn't that short out the computer? |
| 21:34.32 | xam | saloxin: well, I usually don't hose my kernels, and I only have a x86 machine at work, so I don't have that problem so often |
| 21:34.57 | saloxin | xam: if device is there, but wrong filesystem, it would say so, not invalid argument |
| 21:35.28 | SimonRaven | only hosers hose their kernels :P |
| 21:35.43 | xam | SimonRaven: no, he's using one of those chemical non-burning fire extiquisher |
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| 21:36.15 | SimonRaven | ooh that's not so bad then |
| 21:36.22 | edrin | how can i find out what kind of pci soundcard i have? |
| 21:36.22 | Snooze | So how can we boot somehow else? |
| 21:36.28 | bobbens | edrin: try lspci |
| 21:36.29 | citral | edrin: lspci |
| 21:36.34 | SimonRaven | yeh. b-f had some nice stuff on it |
| 21:36.41 | citral | in package pci-utils |
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| 21:36.53 | bobbens | citral: shouldnt it be installed by default? |
| 21:37.03 | saloxin | SimonRaven: i see rescue-mode is a package in sid.. maybe something similar is coming back |
| 21:37.08 | xam | bobbens: IIRC not |
| 21:37.14 | citral | curiously, it was installed for me on x86 but not on sparc |
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| 21:37.21 | xam | bobbens: lspci that is |
| 21:37.36 | SimonRaven | saloxin: i hope so. i hate having to fetch nvsetenv manually from a boot floppy.... |
| 21:37.43 | xam | citral: ahh, interesting |
| 21:37.46 | Haukkari | Is there any "dummy" kernel package in existence, which I could use, as I have compiled my own kernel and apt-get upgrade messed up by grub menu.lst |
| 21:37.48 | testtesttesting | I have dual monitors. How can I get X to use both of them? Right now the second monitor blinks weird colors.... |
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| 21:38.27 | mo1991 | string.cpp:30: error: declaration of `char* strcasestr(const char*, const |
| 21:38.27 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.27 | mo1991 | ../include/string.h:47: error: than previous declaration `char* |
| 21:38.27 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.27 | mo1991 | string.cpp: In function `char* strcasestr(const char*, const char*)': |
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| 21:38.28 | xam | testtesttesting: google for Xinerama |
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| 21:38.34 | jjazz | testtesttesting, google dual head linux howto |
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| 21:38.44 | mo1991 | sorry about the past |
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| 21:38.55 | mo1991 | anyone know why I am getting this compiler error? |
| 21:39.02 | testtesttesting | ty |
| 21:39.06 | jjazz | np |
| 21:39.08 | xam | mo1991 all your past shall be forgiven my son |
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| 21:39.43 | mo1991 | error compiling string.o of the avscan source |
| 21:39.53 | resiak | mo1991: Why not ask the people who wrote that code, or maybe #c++ |
| 21:40.11 | Myon | mo1991: did you install all the build-deps? |
| 21:40.15 | mo1991 | resiak - trying to backport the avscan source from unstable |
| 21:40.16 | citral | or read the INSTALL file |
| 21:40.18 | Myon | it compiles fine here |
| 21:40.25 | mo1991 | Myon - I believe so |
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| 21:40.38 | Snooze | saloxin, any other way to to the boot?\ |
| 21:40.40 | mo1991 | apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename |
| 21:40.48 | mo1991 | Myon did above command |
| 21:40.51 | Mr_Morden | Hiya, anyone knows how to make a proxy server out of debian sarge? |
| 21:40.59 | Snooze | maybe with a Knoppix cd? |
| 21:41.23 | saloxin | Snooze: i'd recommend knoppix for you, which will work, but not in a debian way. so maybe ask someone else later |
| 21:42.06 | Hellmark | if you're wanting to do an install, I'd recommend Kanotix over knoppix. |
| 21:42.06 | Snooze | saloxin, at this point can i do "backup" of my Cpanel and data? |
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| 21:42.33 | Hellmark | Knoppix is a mix of all the debian sets, where as Kanotix pulls from just Sid |
| 21:42.47 | Myon | mo1991: grab it from ftp://www.backports.org/ |
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| 21:42.54 | Myon | or wait until it gets accepted |
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| 21:43.29 | Hellmark | Quick question, know when Firefox 1.5 wll be put into the pools? |
| 21:43.41 | versuchsanstalt | Hellmark: is there a similar livecd that uses only sarge you know of? |
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| 21:43.54 | Hellmark | Ver, not that i know of |
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| 21:45.09 | Hellmark | most that I know of are a mutt like Knoppix, or pull from Sid and Etch |
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| 21:46.11 | mo1991 | Myon - I can't seem to download from ftp.backports.org??? |
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| 21:46.41 | mo1991 | I can see the file but not download |
| 21:46.54 | Myon | ah, sorry |
| 21:47.03 | testtesttesting | Does debian have XInerama built in by default? |
| 21:47.23 | xam | testtesttesting: yes |
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| 21:47.35 | testtesttesting | And it will allow me to use dual heads automatically? |
| 21:48.17 | xam | testtesttesting: no, at least it did not for me. I had to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but it wasn't difficult |
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| 21:48.36 | stige | hi there. a short question to the native speakers: what is better: "summerschool in philosophy" or "summerschool on philosophy". tell me!# |
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| 21:49.01 | testtesttesting | I mean considering that I already edited the file.. |
| 21:49.08 | testtesttesting | It should pick up both monitors when I restart X right? |
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| 21:49.11 | stew | stige: need more context |
| 21:49.16 | dav__ | hey, anyone know what the hell is wrong with ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 21:49.17 | stige | hi stew |
| 21:49.24 | testtesttesting | I just edited the file, I'm waiting for openoffice to finish installing before I restart X. |
| 21:49.25 | dav__ | 99% [1 Packages gzip 14508032] 376kB/s 0s |
| 21:49.28 | dav__ | gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error |
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| 21:49.47 | Myon | mo1991: http://www.df7cb.de/debian/avscan/ |
| 21:49.59 | stew | testtesttesting: xinerama is compiled in by default but there is no automatic way to configure it, you have to edit XF86Config-4 by hand |
| 21:50.09 | testtesttesting | Yah I did. |
| 21:50.17 | xam | testtesttesting: mine is at http://www.cs.ucc.ie/~xam/xorg.conf |
| 21:50.18 | testtesttesting | I'm just wondering if I need to do anything else. |
| 21:50.35 | stew | dav__: looks like a bad mirror |
| 21:50.39 | testtesttesting | I've already added the right section to my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:50.48 | stige | stew: the context is this: it is a summerschool at my university with international philosophers working on several problems together |
| 21:50.50 | testtesttesting | (stable) |
| 21:50.56 | xam | testtesttesting: I didn't need to do anything else ... |
| 21:51.06 | testtesttesting | Ok great, that's all I wanted to know. |
| 21:51.08 | testtesttesting | Thanks a bunch. |
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| 21:52.32 | stew | stige: if philisophy is the topic of summer school, i'd say on. but maybe "about" is better than on? it seems like a noun is missing like "summer school lectures about pholisophy" or "summer school program about philosophy" or something |
| 21:52.33 | DevilChaos | hi anyone know where i can get a lib for transcode libmagik6? |
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| 21:52.58 | DevilChaos | it says it is dependant on that and it is missing |
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| 21:53.48 | edrin | but in example with alsamixer i cant make better settings... (with alsa) |
| 21:54.02 | stew | DevilChaos: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 21:54.36 | DevilChaos | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:55.14 | stew | DevilChaos: stabe? testing? ubuntu? what? |
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| 21:55.22 | DevilChaos | testing sarge |
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| 21:56.08 | sbk | More silly questions from me. Would I be nuts to _not_ enable HT (with an smp 2.6 stable kernel)? |
| 21:56.09 | oKtosiTe | eeyore-: we don't have hills in Amsterdam |
| 21:56.10 | jjazz | I have an old laptop running Ubuntu. I want to replace it with Debian. The laptop has no cd-rom drive or floppy drives. The laptop is on a LAN with a bunch of debian boxes, and a stable image resides on one of those boxes. Can I get Debian onto this laptop, or do I need to hunt down a CD-ROM drive? |
| 21:56.14 | stew | DevilChaos: there is no libmagick7 in testing. what repository are you trying to install transcode from? |
| 21:56.18 | dusty- | Hey guys, I have an odd message appear when I rebooted my newly installed debian 3.1 r0 install. When it gets to a prompt after about 5 minutes of being idle a message appears saying: "Spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7" any ideas what the hell that means/is, how to fix it? |
| 21:56.20 | dav__ | stew: a couple of mirrors do the same thing |
| 21:56.34 | foolio | is it possible check auth.log and have it spit out only hits that happened after a specific time? |
| 21:56.37 | azeem | jjazz: can you boot it via network? |
| 21:56.37 | dav__ | ftp.us.debian.org, debian.uchicago.edu |
| 21:56.48 | valdyn | edrin: which mixer are you using? |
| 21:57.03 | jjazz | azeem, I've never tried that, but I think I recall seeing it as a BIOS option, so hypothetically yes. |
| 21:57.18 | stew | dav__: transcode isn't in debian |
| 21:58.00 | dav__ | my problem isn't to do with transcode, it's bad crc package lists |
| 21:58.14 | azeem | jjazz: ok, then you can setup one of the other computers as a DHCP boot server |
| 21:58.23 | azeem | jjazz: check the installation manual, it is detailed there |
| 21:58.30 | jjazz | azeem, thanks for the tip. Will do. |
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| 21:58.34 | azeem | jjazz: hrm |
| 21:58.45 | Hellmark | So, I take it that no one knows why Firefox 1.5 is in the apt pools yet |
| 21:58.48 | stew | dav__: oh, i crossed the streams. what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:58.51 | DevilChaos | stew its libmagik6 im missing not 7 |
| 21:58.59 | azeem | jjazz: do you have a free partition on the notebook you could use? |
| 21:58.59 | dav__ | unstable |
| 21:59.00 | DevilChaos | stew: hold on ill find out |
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| 21:59.04 | azeem | or free space in general? |
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| 21:59.24 | jjazz | azeem, lots of free space, no free partition |
| 21:59.27 | stew | DevilChaos: i meant libmagick6. which is not in testing, |
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| 21:59.48 | azeem | jjazz: so maybe you can resize the partition, create a new one, and use debootstrap on it to get Debian on it |
| 21:59.58 | azeem | then copy over whatever you like and trash the Ubuntu partition |
| 22:00.10 | DevilChaos | stew ok so how do i get it to stop saying it needs it in dselect? |
| 22:00.15 | DevilChaos | deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
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| 22:00.30 | ricochet | why is apt trying to install an older kernel than I have? (sid) |
| 22:00.31 | stew | DevilChaos: recompile transcode against libmagick9 |
| 22:00.39 | jjazz | azeem, now THAT sounds like a good idea. I've never used debootstrap. I wonder if it's packaged for Ubuntu. |
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| 22:00.46 | azeem | jjazz: sure |
| 22:00.51 | stew | jjazz: it is in ubuntu |
| 22:00.57 | ansong | is kdeaddons available for etch? |
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| 22:01.03 | azeem | jjazz: I mean, they just used the Debian one and tuned it a bit for their needs |
| 22:01.04 | jjazz | stew, thanks |
| 22:01.08 | stew | ansong: http://packages.debian.org/kdeaddons |
| 22:01.16 | jjazz | cool. I will look into it. Thanks. |
| 22:01.31 | dav__ | seems ftp.debian.org works where ftp.us.debian.org doesn't |
| 22:01.46 | stew | dav__: odd. for which release? |
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| 22:02.17 | ansong | stew, thanks. i didn't know the packages site would return results listing the versions like that |
| 22:02.30 | DevilChaos | stew: how do i do that please? |
| 22:02.53 | DevilChaos | with dpkg-reconfigure transcode? |
| 22:02.58 | dav__ | stew, an updated debian as of about a month ago |
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| 22:03.05 | dav__ | stew, updated to unstable |
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| 22:03.41 | stew | ansong: many kde packages were temprorily removed from testing for the 3.4 transition you might wanna /msg dpkg why is kdeaddons not in testing |
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| 22:04.24 | DevilChaos | stew:? |
| 22:04.31 | stew | DevilChaos: you would have to get the source package and edit the debian/control file to change the build-dep and depdends then rebuild the pacakges with dpkg-buildpackage, if the api chagned you might have to edit source /msg dpkg source |
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| 22:04.41 | stew | dav__: lemme try ftp.us here |
| 22:04.51 | dav__ | this happens on a few of my machines, while it works on another few |
| 22:04.54 | dav__ | with a pretty identical config |
| 22:04.55 | ansong | stew, this is kind of funny: "kdeaddons is only 9 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in." |
| 22:04.59 | comforteagle | fetching the date from php on my server is showing a different timezone than my box |
| 22:05.02 | dav__ | obviously something is different, but i can't think what |
| 22:05.07 | ansong | so i'll try again tomorrow |
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| 22:05.40 | DevilChaos | stew: do i really need transcode? |
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| 22:06.05 | stew | DevilChaos: if you don't know then i'd guess you don't |
| 22:06.23 | stew | dav__: do the machines that work and the machines that don't have different versions of gzip? |
| 22:06.31 | stew | dav__: gzip / zlib1g |
| 22:06.32 | dav__ | ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu works too |
| 22:06.53 | stew | dav__: you might want to check the bts for those pacakges |
| 22:07.01 | stew | dav__: ftp.us works from here fwiw |
| 22:07.19 | dav__ | gzip is the same version on both |
| 22:07.32 | DevilChaos | stew:i guess i do need it for dvdrip doh :( |
| 22:08.01 | dav__ | so is zlib1g |
| 22:08.10 | DevilChaos | think i need to change the nerim resource im using |
| 22:08.47 | stew | DevilChaos: you are using "etch" from marillat? |
| 22:09.39 | edrin | this fucking sound system |
| 22:10.01 | edrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.04 | edrin | WHY? |
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| 22:10.50 | Ungy | if I want to copy a mail dir including sub folders what would the scp command be scpr -r what else |
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| 22:11.29 | petemc | Ungy: i use vrC |
| 22:11.34 | Snooze | How to i run a GRUB istall from a Knoppix cd? |
| 22:11.37 | silvinho | Ungy: tar cf - maildir/ | ssh user@host "tar xf - -C dir/" |
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| 22:13.59 | Ungy | so how do I get the .subfolders that begin with period |
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| 22:14.23 | Ungy | I know how to transfer with scp I just need to know how to get the directories begining with . |
| 22:14.50 | chalcedony | ((((((((((((( grumpydog ))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 22:14.58 | chalcedony | (((((((((( Snooze )))))))))))))))) |
| 22:15.07 | stew | chalcedony: stop that |
| 22:15.11 | grumpydog | hiya chalcedony *hugs* sup L ? |
| 22:15.13 | stew | Ungy: scp -r .* dest |
| 22:15.25 | Ungy | thanks stew |
| 22:15.31 | grumpydog | stew, she does that and is a real person not a script :) |
| 22:15.32 | Snooze | chalcedony }{}{} |
| 22:15.34 | chalcedony | grumpydog: meet Snooze :) |
| 22:16.01 | chalcedony | stew: nice to see you |
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| 22:16.06 | Snooze | Exactly stew! :P |
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| 22:16.15 | grumpydog | hiya stew |
| 22:16.24 | Snooze | grumpydog , glad to meet you! |
| 22:16.33 | chalcedony | grumpydog: it's awesome to see you again :) |
| 22:16.48 | Snooze | can we do something about that GRUB or what? |
| 22:16.49 | Snooze | :D |
| 22:17.01 | grumpydog | chalcedony, I am always around just been rather busy of late |
| 22:17.04 | chalcedony | ahh |
| 22:17.07 | saloxin | Snooze: is your disk mounted and readeable? |
| 22:17.12 | chalcedony | i didn't see you in the nicklist |
| 22:17.25 | chalcedony | saloxin: ty ty for helping my dear friend Snooze :) |
| 22:17.40 | chalcedony | grumpydog: if you can help him i would be so grateful |
| 22:17.53 | Snooze | saloxin, and xam Did a great job so far!! ty guys!! |
| 22:18.02 | Snooze | salonix, i guess it is... |
| 22:18.04 | Snooze | we can try.... |
| 22:18.15 | grumpydog | chalcedony, I have a dedicated debian server for #freematrix which is good...thinking of adding more computers but have oo many already...just bandwidth is the problem....I would even do a UK debian mirror |
| 22:18.17 | saloxin | Snooze: no guessing |
| 22:18.19 | Snooze | shall i try to boot Knoppix? |
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| 22:18.40 | erik__ | eriksLaptop:/usr/src# modprobe fglrx |
| 22:18.40 | erik__ | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/misc/fglrx.ko): No such device |
| 22:18.41 | saloxin | Snooze: yep |
| 22:18.46 | chalcedony | grumpydog: that's very kewl, what are you doing for the connection now? |
| 22:18.56 | erik__ | trying to install ati drivers so i can have 3d accel. |
| 22:18.57 | Snooze | if i get This server back up Somebody will get payed!! a nice Christmas Present!! :-))) |
| 22:19.05 | erik__ | using debian sarge, and the guide http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:19.15 | grumpydog | chalcedony, not much apart from sdsl but even that is becoming too slow. |
| 22:19.29 | saloxin | Snooze: hehe |
| 22:19.39 | stew | erik__: what card do you have? no such device generally means the driver doesn't think you have the hardware it supports |
| 22:19.39 | chalcedony | golly what's an upgrade from that grumpydog ? |
| 22:19.39 | grumpydog | chalcedony, I do have a small irc'd running but rather quiet |
| 22:19.47 | quiet | ? |
| 22:19.49 | quiet | oh.. sorry |
| 22:19.54 | grumpydog | lol sorry quiet |
| 22:19.58 | chalcedony | hi quiet |
| 22:20.00 | quiet | ;) |
| 22:20.04 | quiet | hello |
| 22:20.14 | chalcedony | grumpydog: interesting ? |
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| 22:20.22 | Snooze | saloxin, done.. in boot menu |
| 22:20.26 | Snooze | what do i do? |
| 22:20.31 | chalcedony | excellent Snooze :)) |
| 22:20.31 | saloxin | boot it |
| 22:20.34 | chalcedony | good job |
| 22:20.35 | quiet | i'm trying to set up my first software raid 1.... what a pain in the butt.. |
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| 22:20.42 | Snooze | wow over the old one? |
| 22:20.43 | quiet | i still dunno if i got it right but at least it's installing now. |
| 22:20.53 | saloxin | Snooze: it runs from cd, so let it boot by itself |
| 22:20.57 | Snooze | saloxin, i dont want to overide it :-((( |
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| 22:21.02 | chalcedony | Snooze: with knoppix everything runs on the cd, its not really on your drive |
| 22:21.03 | Ungy | damnit I can't get the damned subfolders to transfer this pisses me off |
| 22:21.09 | saloxin | it doesn't touch your hd |
| 22:21.33 | Snooze | oh ic.. anyway it started like this..... |
| 22:21.36 | erik__ | stew: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
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| 22:21.47 | DevilChaos | stew: i have a new problem |
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| 22:21.48 | grumpydog | chalcedony, yes certainly... things are working out just fine...The only problem is workload...today I went to bid on 103 Computers at a gov action and decided it was too much trouble than spending £5000 on like 103 boxen and 52 monitors. |
| 22:22.04 | grumpydog | No money in it really...I was just going to break them anyway |
| 22:22.17 | chalcedony | lol grumpydog !!!!! |
| 22:22.23 | DevilChaos | stew:ive changed the ftp.nerim site in apt sources.list |
| 22:22.26 | saloxin | erik__: i have M6, accelerated with the free radeon driver |
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| 22:22.41 | DevilChaos | and i get this message will paste in flood! |
| 22:22.51 | chalcedony | they are fun to tinker with, grumpydog ? |
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| 22:23.16 | jlmb | I keep getting "/: Superblock last write time is in the future." "/: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY" at boot even though I ran fsck manually a couple of times now. fsck reports a clean file system after running manually. Thanks |
| 22:23.30 | nkuttler | DevilChaos: /topic, apt-secure |
| 22:24.08 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.21 | grumpydog | chalcedony, my current set up is a mess anyway http://www.grumpydog.co.uk/mess2.jpg I have added more. |
| 22:24.29 | grumpydog | That is home set up btw |
| 22:24.38 | rvsjoen | jlmb: I presume you ran fsck with the "-f" parameter ? |
| 22:24.59 | chalcedony | grumpydog: you always have neat stuff :) |
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| 22:25.28 | grumpydog | chalcedony, not really :P |
| 22:25.32 | jlmb | rvsjoen: there's no -f on the man page. |
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| 22:26.00 | grumpydog | brb a sec |
| 22:26.02 | rvsjoen | at least mine says "-f Force checking even if filesystem is marked clean" |
| 22:26.05 | cmatheson | ok, so either the sarge installer is retarded or i am (probably me). i just shrunk down my existing linux partition, so that my partition scheme is as follows: hda1:Linux,hda2:extended,hda3:Linux,hda5:swap ; but when i go to partition my disks in the installer, the only option it gives me is to erase the entire disk... why can't i just use hda3? |
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| 22:26.54 | jlmb | rvsjoen: mine doesn't. When manually ran, fsck reports an unclean file system and checks it. |
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| 22:26.59 | stew | cmatheson: choose manual parititioning and assign / to hda3 in the partitioning screen then say done partitioning |
| 22:27.01 | rvsjoen | what file systen is it ? |
| 22:27.05 | jlmb | rvsjoen: ext3 |
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| 22:27.10 | dusty- | stew, I got a real strange problem, and google isn't being very helpful: I keep getting this message pop up: Dec 15 07:18:44 debian kernel: spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7. |
| 22:27.10 | dusty- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.14 | rvsjoen | try "man 8 fsck.ext3" |
| 22:27.36 | cmatheson | stew: i tried choosing manual partitioning.. but for some reason it doesn't list any partitions (it just shows the hard-drive). if i run fdisk -l from the shell on the cd though, it does list my partitions, so i'm not sure why it doesn't see th em |
| 22:27.36 | chalcedony | k nice computer room grumpydog :)) |
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| 22:27.44 | amphi | dusty-: I get those occasionally |
| 22:27.45 | chalcedony | Snooze: how are you doing? |
| 22:27.48 | jlmb | rvsjoen: thanks |
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| 22:28.36 | dusty- | amphi, What are they though? |
| 22:28.49 | Snooze | Everything stoped at DHCP broadcasting for IP |
| 22:28.56 | grumpydog | chalcedony, this was when I started re-orgainising my network http://www.grumpydog.co.uk/comp.jpg |
| 22:29.04 | saloxin | Snooze: ctr+c |
| 22:29.05 | chalcedony | ok grumpydog :)) |
| 22:29.05 | Snooze | is looks like is frozen... |
| 22:29.26 | DevilChaos | stew: ok so i need the public key? |
| 22:29.27 | chalcedony | saloxin: control -c stops the process ? |
| 22:29.30 | quiet | grumpydog, jesus christ... |
| 22:29.40 | saloxin | chalcedony: yup, on debian at least |
| 22:29.41 | DevilChaos | stew: that dpkg tell me |
| 22:29.49 | grumpydog | quiet not that bad really. |
| 22:29.51 | Snooze | NADA |
| 22:29.55 | Snooze | not working |
| 22:29.55 | jlmb | rvsjoen: brb |
| 22:30.03 | saloxin | tsk |
| 22:30.06 | quiet | is that your house, or work? |
| 22:30.11 | stew | dusty-: it's nothing to worry about. if you really want to get rid of it you either comment out the line in the kernel or disable apic, but i recommend you just ignore it |
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| 22:30.22 | stew | DevilChaos: yes, you need marillat's key |
| 22:30.31 | NeedVaseline | Hello all |
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| 22:30.49 | saloxin | Snooze: let it time out? |
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| 22:30.55 | amphi | dusty-: not sure, to be honest ;) |
| 22:30.57 | NeedVaseline | Since I've updated grub to 0.97 (unstable), and they removed savedefault, I'm not able to boot kernel "once" |
| 22:31.06 | grumpydog | quiet, this is house...comps take 22ft x 12ft atm but soon to be 22ft x 18ft along the back wall...I have 2 new racks 4 servers and the rest are desktops. |
| 22:31.09 | dusty- | amphi, ok thanks for the help man. |
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| 22:31.24 | chalcedony | grumpydog: lol so many toys!!!!!! |
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| 22:31.30 | grumpydog | quiet, hence bandwidth is a problem |
| 22:31.31 | Snooze | i wil reboot |
| 22:31.43 | quiet | grumpydog, just pleasure?? or do you do work at home? |
| 22:31.56 | chalcedony | is work pleasure or pleasure work? |
| 22:31.57 | brox | is someone of you distinguished people aware of a dumbed-down simple easy method to use win32 codecs with the totem player (then i will be just within my grasp... :)))) |
| 22:31.57 | grumpydog | quiet, I work home and away from home |
| 22:32.11 | quiet | grumpydog, wow.. wish my wife would let me have some stuff like that! lol.. |
| 22:32.16 | NeedVaseline | grumpydog: I was wondering why did you said "quiet" |
| 22:32.24 | NeedVaseline | Sounded like "all shut up, I have 20000 racks at home" |
| 22:32.32 | grumpydog | NeedVaseline, haha no way |
| 22:32.32 | NeedVaseline | But then I saw his nick |
| 22:32.34 | quiet | lol |
| 22:32.38 | chalcedony | haha |
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| 22:32.42 | NeedVaseline | Anyway |
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| 22:32.45 | NeedVaseline | Since I've updated grub to 0.97 (unstable), and they removed savedefault, I'm not able to boot kernel "once" |
| 22:32.57 | NeedVaseline | Check out that please ^^ It's life or death thingie |
| 22:33.09 | brox | "(then i will" it should of been "(then it will" !!! i hate these crucial typos |
| 22:33.28 | grumpydog | Please do not mind me and a few other Debianers...just having a social chat. |
| 22:33.29 | Syruss | I need to alter the order in which 2 modules (lirc_serial and whatever the serial port driver module is) are loaded on my 2.6 kernel debian sarge system, what file should I be looking at |
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| 22:33.46 | DevilChaos | stew? |
| 22:33.51 | brox | NeedVaseline: what on earth did you "upadte" grub for - dont you have a life? |
| 22:33.54 | stew | DevilChaos: yes? |
| 22:34.01 | saloxin | Syruss: add them in order in /etc/modules |
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| 22:34.06 | DevilChaos | do i put that in the terminal? |
| 22:34.07 | NeedVaseline | brox: apt-get upgrade did it! blame him! |
| 22:34.13 | brox | NeedVaseline: please tell me there was a feture that was crucial to you |
| 22:34.15 | Syruss | saloxin: does it matter that they're not in there at the moment? |
| 22:34.22 | rvsjoen | are we sure its a 'him' ? |
| 22:34.23 | Syruss | is that because the kernel auto-loads them? |
| 22:34.29 | saloxin | NeedVaseline: no, blame you, for using sid without knowing how to fix it when it breaks |
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| 22:34.36 | Shadowcat | hahahahahaha |
| 22:34.37 | saloxin | Syruss: nope |
| 22:34.43 | Shadowcat | saloxin: speaking of grub in sid |
| 22:34.43 | Syruss | oh |
| 22:34.48 | Shadowcat | WHEN did it break |
| 22:34.48 | stew | DevilChaos: yes |
| 22:34.49 | NeedVaseline | saloxin: some packages from sid needed :( (a lot to be honest, gameservers do that) |
| 22:34.49 | Shadowcat | :/ |
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| 22:34.50 | Syruss | should they be in there then? |
| 22:34.57 | saloxin | Syruss: discover and or hotplug loads them later |
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| 22:35.14 | NeedVaseline | brox: If my new kernel doesn't reboots, I may not be able to boot it until jan 2th |
| 22:35.16 | saloxin | NeedVaseline: backport them to sarge? |
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| 22:35.36 | NeedVaseline | saloxin: good idea, but never did it, so I'm quite scared of it |
| 22:35.43 | saloxin | NeedVaseline: boot a cd, mount you rootfs, chroot into it, fix grub |
| 22:35.53 | NeedVaseline | saloxin: grub is NOT broken |
| 22:35.54 | Snooze | saloxin, same thing it freez up at the DHCP thing.... |
| 22:36.06 | NeedVaseline | It just lacks a command I need to bot "once" the kernel |
| 22:36.11 | saloxin | NeedVaseline: heh talk to Snooze about it, he's getting experienced |
| 22:36.27 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 22:36.33 | Snooze | saloxin :-))) |
| 22:36.34 | Shadowcat | oh he wants the reboot into next kernel once feature |
| 22:36.38 | Syruss | saloxin: so I should append: lirc_serial followed by ? in my /etc/modules? |
| 22:36.40 | Shadowcat | speaking of remote reboots |
| 22:36.45 | chalcedony | wb Snooze :) |
| 22:36.50 | Shadowcat | WHY THE HELL are you upgrading a kernel remotely? |
| 22:36.51 | DevilChaos | stew: ty for help spk to you later :) |
| 22:36.52 | Shadowcat | and if you are |
| 22:36.54 | saloxin | Snooze: well a) your hw is broken or b) your cd is broken. try another cd/knoppix version |
| 22:36.55 | chalcedony | Snooze: it's locking on the knoppix cd? |
| 22:37.01 | Shadowcat | why aren't you making sure it works before you do it? |
| 22:37.04 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat |
| 22:37.05 | NeedVaseline | I will be clear |
| 22:37.07 | NeedVaseline | And direct |
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| 22:37.12 | NeedVaseline | I'm about 15000 kilometers away from it |
| 22:37.18 | saloxin | Syruss: man modules, one module pr. line |
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| 22:37.23 | NeedVaseline | Currently @my home on Argentina |
| 22:37.26 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: then make sure the kernel works before you switch to it |
| 22:37.34 | Shadowcat | it's not that hard |
| 22:37.36 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: Ha, funny you |
| 22:37.51 | Shadowcat | no I'm quite experienced in running remote machines |
| 22:37.54 | NeedVaseline | 2.6 kernels have been a pain in the arse :( |
| 22:37.59 | ribnitz | NeedVaseline: I just found out that the kernel 2.6.14 i had didnt |
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| 22:38.10 | NeedVaseline | Taking in mind that they wont boot on my machines when apt-get'd them |
| 22:38.17 | Syruss | I think serial support isn't compiled as a module with this stock kernel |
| 22:38.17 | Shadowcat | you moron |
| 22:38.24 | Syruss | I'll just have to unload it or something |
| 22:38.26 | Shadowcat | 2.6.14 is BROKEN in debian |
| 22:38.28 | saloxin | NeedVaseline: you cant boot the machine, and your 1500km away from it? |
| 22:38.28 | Shadowcat | BROKEN |
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| 22:38.31 | Shadowcat | BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN |
| 22:38.36 | ribnitz | Shadowcat: ok. |
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| 22:38.39 | Shadowcat | if you downloaded a 2.6.14 kernel from sid |
| 22:38.43 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat |
| 22:38.44 | NeedVaseline | No |
| 22:38.46 | Shadowcat | obviously it won't boot |
| 22:38.48 | rvsjoen | NeedVaseline: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Booting-fallback-systems |
| 22:38.49 | ribnitz | Shadowcat: I did. |
| 22:38.52 | NeedVaseline | 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 22:38.53 | heptan | hi |
| 22:39.03 | NeedVaseline | rvsjoen: Wont work, tried it :( |
| 22:39.06 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: that's from stable |
| 22:39.07 | Shadowcat | it'll work |
| 22:39.11 | NeedVaseline | 2.6.8-2-686-smp <--- gave "attempted to kill init" |
| 22:39.14 | ribnitz | NeedVaseline: 2.6.11-1-686-smp here |
| 22:39.25 | NeedVaseline | On all of my machines |
| 22:39.28 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: yes that's because you upgraded to unstable |
| 22:39.29 | NeedVaseline | And I still dont get "why" |
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| 22:39.39 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: ok then compile your own kernel |
| 22:39.41 | Shadowcat | and make sure it works |
| 22:39.48 | Shadowcat | transfer the thing onto your remote machine |
| 22:39.49 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I did compile my own |
| 22:39.52 | heptan | can anybody give me a hint: how do i install a soundcard (thinkpad 380d) - i couldn't find a good howto with google... |
| 22:39.59 | Shadowcat | and you're done |
| 22:39.59 | NeedVaseline | But how can I know if it will work or not ? |
| 22:40.05 | rvsjoen | did you add "default saved" to the global options ? |
| 22:40.09 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: reboot it with the kernel |
| 22:40.13 | stew | heptan: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:40.14 | Shadowcat | if it comes up you'll know |
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| 22:40.21 | Shadowcat | there's a reason kernel upgrades are a pain in the ass |
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| 22:40.30 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: Aha, and if it doesn't I will leave some customers without service |
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| 22:40.33 | ops | hi all, who can I configure the tftpd port ? |
| 22:40.39 | ribnitz | heptan: open box, put card in, close box, install drivers.. |
| 22:40.43 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: then don't upgrade the kernel in the first place? |
| 22:40.50 | NeedVaseline | rvsjoen: I didn't work afaik... savedefault feature was removed |
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| 22:41.08 | Shadowcat | liar |
| 22:41.11 | Shadowcat | savedefault is in grub |
| 22:41.15 | ribnitz | NeedVaseline: what "ancienty" are you running on, atm? |
| 22:41.19 | Syruss | how can I run this command: setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none before my kernel modules start getting automatically loaded? |
| 22:41.21 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: Well, if you answer why my gameservers are giving "timeouts" :S |
| 22:41.22 | Shadowcat | I just recompiled three kernels today |
| 22:41.24 | Shadowcat | it works fine |
| 22:41.30 | heptan | stew: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:41.37 | NeedVaseline | ribnitz: P4 3.0 Ghz with HT and 1gb ram |
| 22:41.44 | heptan | ribnitz: its an onboard card (thinkpad)... |
| 22:41.51 | brox | heptan: alsaconf!!! |
| 22:41.52 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: when he meant ancienty he was referring to what kernel |
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| 22:42.00 | ribnitz | heptan: alsaconf does not recognise it? |
| 22:42.00 | stew | heptan: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 22:42.02 | Syruss | I'm on a thinkpad now... good laptops |
| 22:42.11 | Shadowcat | heptan: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 22:42.14 | Shadowcat | alsaconf |
| 22:42.16 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 22:42.19 | brox | heptan: first activate it in your boot |
| 22:42.21 | stew | Shadowcat: you are incorrect according to changelogs.debian.net, savedefault was in fact disabled |
| 22:42.21 | Shadowcat | apt-get install alsa-base |
| 22:42.25 | ribnitz | NeedVaseline: 3.2 ghz, but otherwise pretty much same box. SATA ofc. Kernel 2.6.11 |
| 22:42.34 | NeedVaseline | Thank you stew |
| 22:42.36 | Shadowcat | stew: hmm.... still works here though |
| 22:42.44 | Shadowcat | fine I'll have to RTFM on that one |
| 22:42.49 | __filip_ | what does i need to unrar .rar ? |
| 22:42.55 | Shadowcat | unrar-nonfree |
| 22:43.02 | Shadowcat | !tell __filip_ about unrar |
| 22:43.04 | NeedVaseline | ribnitz: I have another wich is 3.2ghz wich did booted on kernel with apt (2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 22:43.10 | heptan | tried alsaconf but gave up after 10mins scanning. i'll give it an other shot |
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| 22:43.21 | heptan | stew: what? |
| 22:43.26 | NeedVaseline | !tell NeedVaseline about unrar |
| 22:43.53 | Shadowcat | hmmm |
| 22:43.54 | ribnitz | __filip_: unrar, get from nerim. |
| 22:43.54 | heptan | shadowcat: its a laptop from 1997... |
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| 22:43.54 | NeedVaseline | !tell NeedVaseline about unrar-free |
| 22:43.54 | Shadowcat | heptan: it's still snd-intel8x0 |
| 22:43.54 | __filip_ | ribnitz: nerim ? |
| 22:43.54 | NeedVaseline | !tell NeedVaseline about unrar for 3.0 |
| 22:44.09 | Shadowcat | it's been the same module since the old PII Celerons |
| 22:44.09 | Shadowcat | if it's not |
| 22:44.09 | testtesttesting | Hey, I just added: Section "ServerFlags" Option "Xinerama" "on" EndSection :: to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, then I restarted X, but it still isn't working on both of my monitors (dual head). The second monitor just blinks weird colors. |
| 22:44.14 | ribnitz | !tell __filip_ about nerim |
| 22:44.14 | heptan | its not even an PII.. |
| 22:44.17 | Shadowcat | you have some weird proprietary stuff |
| 22:44.26 | Shadowcat | heptan: then you might not be able to use alsa |
| 22:44.28 | Shadowcat | look into oss |
| 22:44.37 | stew | !tell heptan about alsa one liner |
| 22:44.41 | brox | __filip_: dont listen to them get yourself unrar-free |
| 22:44.41 | Blissex | testtesttesting: thats not how you configurew dual head. |
| 22:44.44 | stew | !tell heptan about alsa one-liner |
| 22:44.44 | NeedVaseline | ribnitz: That's what it bothers me, on the 3.2 I could easily apt-get a 2.6 image and voilá |
| 22:44.49 | Shadowcat | stew: his system might be too old for alsa |
| 22:44.53 | testtesttesting | How do you config it then Blissex? |
| 22:45.04 | ribnitz | NeedVaseline: thzats 200 mhz difference.. |
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| 22:45.09 | rvsjoen | NeedVaseline: have you looked into the use of grub-set-default ? |
| 22:45.13 | brox | __filip_: with a free version you just wont be able to rar stuff (i know thats taxing to the mind) |
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| 22:45.14 | Blissex | testtesttesting: Xinerama is an option on how dual head works if already configured. |
| 22:45.23 | heptan | alsaconf says: no supported PnP or PCI card found... |
| 22:45.25 | carlo | hi |
| 22:45.34 | NeedVaseline | rvsjoen: grub-set-default wont recognice --once option |
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| 22:45.36 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: you can try the 2.6.12 kernel in debian testing |
| 22:45.36 | Blissex | testtesttesting: many X config programs accept dual head setups and will generate a dual head conf for you. |
| 22:45.43 | Shadowcat | I know that kernel works |
| 22:45.53 | stew | Shadowcat: i doubt it, he's probably got a cs4232 or something similar |
| 22:45.56 | Shadowcat | but my guess is that you have a bios setting somewhere that you need to flip |
| 22:46.00 | __filip_ | brox: so i need to pay for an program that can unrar? |
| 22:46.01 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: still, I need some way to make it boot my old kernel if it doesnt's with new one |
| 22:46.06 | Blissex | testtesttesting: and ther are several dual head tutorials around. The keywords are ''dual head'', that's the technical term that gets you the hits. |
| 22:46.09 | Shadowcat | stew: cs4232? |
| 22:46.10 | brox | heptan: but alsaconf should also list your other stuff - fiddle till you get it |
| 22:46.20 | saloxin | NeedVaseline: so, install previous grub version? |
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| 22:46.24 | Shadowcat | here's an idea |
| 22:46.26 | Shadowcat | use lilo |
| 22:46.29 | brox | __filip_: NO - you gotta pay for a program to rar# |
| 22:46.30 | Blissex | testtesttesting: sample config files here: http://tinyurl.com/bzroo |
| 22:46.30 | Shadowcat | it's had that -r feature for ages |
| 22:46.33 | NeedVaseline | saloxin: That is a good idea |
| 22:46.33 | testtesttesting | Blissex, ok |
| 22:46.34 | heptan | brox: so i should try every legacy card? |
| 22:46.42 | brox | __filip_: unrar is free cheese |
| 22:46.51 | brox | heptan: by god dont |
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| 22:46.59 | Shadowcat | there's unrar (in non-free) |
| 22:46.59 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: That one too |
| 22:47.01 | heptan | brox: what you meen then? |
| 22:47.06 | Shadowcat | then there's unrar-free in main |
| 22:47.08 | NeedVaseline | Now, Shadowcat |
| 22:47.10 | chalcedony | Snooze: how are you doing? |
| 22:47.13 | brox | heptan: unless if you otherwise have in mind to do a muggery go ahead |
| 22:47.21 | stew | heptan: "lspci | egrep -i audio\|multimedia" and tell us what card you have |
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| 22:47.38 | heptan | lspci lists no audio card.. |
| 22:48.02 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: This may sound weird, but I was running this boxes on FC2 before (when I got into the job, I migrated to debian) |
| 22:48.05 | heptan | according to ibm tech page its a sound blaster pro / crystal sound / ESS audiodrive |
| 22:48.07 | NeedVaseline | They did ran like hell good |
| 22:48.11 | NeedVaseline | then, on the migration |
| 22:48.11 | rvsjoen | My best bet is this one, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/fallback.html#fallback from the "edition documents version 0.97." |
| 22:48.21 | NeedVaseline | They suddenly started... giving "timeouts" to people |
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| 22:48.26 | brox | heptan: let alsoconf tell you that you dont have a pnp or pci soundcard - which is true enough but let it show you what it finds appart from that - make sure all the simple and essential stuff is in order |
| 22:48.26 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: why the hell did you migrate them if they worked fine? |
| 22:48.28 | saloxin | heptan: isa card? |
| 22:48.28 | stew | heptan: remove all sound modules and try the oss cs4232 driver |
| 22:48.38 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: it works, don't mess with it |
| 22:48.43 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: Installation sucked, old admins had the system like a trash-place |
| 22:48.46 | brox | heptan: dont waste your time on mindfeebleness if you can help it |
| 22:48.51 | heptan | saloxin: onboard in thinkpad.. |
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| 22:49.04 | heptan | stew: ok, ill give it a try |
| 22:49.11 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: http://plig.org/things/pictures/tn/flowsheet.jpg.html <---- that's you in the middle |
| 22:49.13 | NeedVaseline | After the migration, they satarted giving "timeouts" |
| 22:49.23 | jlmb | rvsjoen: fsck checked the disk, marked it clean but it still give me " /: Superblock last write time is in the future" when booting. |
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| 22:49.38 | stew | heptan: actually alsa has a snd-cs4231 and snd-cs4232 |
| 22:49.42 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: so let me get this straight, you went in and "fixed" old "trashed" servers that were working properly |
| 22:49.45 | Shadowcat | and now you have a problem? |
| 22:49.48 | brox | Shadowcat: flippin ROFL |
| 22:50.08 | heptan | stew: ho do i try the oss driver? is it a kernel module? |
| 22:50.09 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: Ok, that's the good point |
| 22:50.16 | NeedVaseline | I thought that it would run smoothly with a debian based |
| 22:50.18 | __filip_ | brox: i cant find unrar-free only unrar |
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| 22:50.33 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: it would if you knew what you were doing |
| 22:50.34 | stew | heptan: actually i suggest you just try modprobe snd-cs4232 |
| 22:50.52 | heptan | stew: there is no such module |
| 22:50.54 | Shadowcat | brox: what did you break? |
| 22:50.57 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: ok, what did I do wrong? apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 22:51.08 | Shadowcat | let's start at the beginning |
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| 22:51.13 | NeedVaseline | ethtool -s eth0 -s duplex full speed 100 autoneg off |
| 22:51.15 | Shadowcat | first you migrated the systems |
| 22:51.18 | quitte | heptan thinkpad 600X? |
| 22:51.19 | Shadowcat | secondly |
| 22:51.21 | NeedVaseline | Exactly |
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| 22:51.28 | Shadowcat | you installed Sarge with the wrong kernel |
| 22:51.34 | Shadowcat | so in order to "fix" that |
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| 22:51.38 | NeedVaseline | No no |
| 22:51.40 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat |
| 22:51.42 | NeedVaseline | Hold on right there |
| 22:51.44 | brox | Shadowcat: everything is absolutly blissfull at the moment - im savouring it as long as it lasts - but considering my record - theres worse to come |
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| 22:51.54 | stew | Shadowcat: you have made it clear you don't want to help him can we just skip the part where you over and over tell us how dumb you think he is? |
| 22:52.06 | NeedVaseline | My machines were on stable with old 2.4.27-386 kernel |
| 22:52.16 | jberg | i turned of my computer and then turned it back on, and suddenly the internet connection doesn't work. when i try ping www.google.com it says it cant find the hostname or something. also when i do ifconfig eth0 i can't see my local hostname. does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:52.19 | Shadowcat | stew: no give me some slack here |
| 22:52.27 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: ok and then what did you do? |
| 22:52.38 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: As they are HT processors |
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| 22:52.46 | NeedVaseline | I decided to download an smp kernel |
| 22:52.58 | stew | jberg: add a working nameserver /etc/resolv.conf ; man resolv.conf |
| 22:53.01 | __filip_ | how to unrar with unrar-free? |
| 22:53.02 | heptan | quitte: 380D |
| 22:53.03 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: did you install Sarge? |
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| 22:53.19 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: netinst stable, Sarge, yes |
| 22:53.37 | Shadowcat | ok you should have installed Sarge |
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| 22:53.56 | NeedVaseline | That's what I did |
| 22:54.01 | Shadowcat | err |
| 22:54.01 | chealer | is there a command that reverts pnmtoplainpnm's effect? e.g. conversion from plain pnm to raw pnm |
| 22:54.04 | Shadowcat | I mean Sarge 2.6 |
| 22:54.04 | NeedVaseline | 108MB CD |
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| 22:54.08 | NeedVaseline | Ok |
| 22:54.11 | NeedVaseline | Listen now |
| 22:54.11 | Shadowcat | I vaguely remember there being MAJOR problems with HT and some linux kernels |
| 22:54.14 | NeedVaseline | I didn't finished |
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| 22:54.22 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: your problem is probably the 2.4 kernel |
| 22:54.28 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat |
| 22:54.34 | NeedVaseline | From my 5 computers |
| 22:54.39 | NeedVaseline | Being 4 of them equal |
| 22:54.41 | Shadowcat | I'm trying to google up which smp kernels had a problem with SMP |
| 22:54.43 | NeedVaseline | (3.0 1gb ram) |
| 22:54.44 | Shadowcat | err HT* |
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| 22:54.54 | NeedVaseline | And the last one 3.2ghz |
| 22:55.07 | jberg | stew, ok. but why did it suddenly stop working just because i rebooted? |
| 22:55.07 | NeedVaseline | Only the 3.2 ghz would boot 2.6.8 kernel with apt |
| 22:55.08 | Blissex | Shadowcat: all of them :-). HT is not terribly useful either. |
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| 22:55.20 | Shadowcat | Blissex: yes but some panic |
| 22:55.21 | stew | jberg: do you use dhcp or do you have a static address? |
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| 22:55.24 | jberg | dhcp |
| 22:55.27 | NeedVaseline | All others gave "Attempted to kill init" with 2.6 |
| 22:55.30 | brox | __filip_: its out there - just keep looking - try substituing rar for unrar or something |
| 22:55.31 | multidex | where would I find the bittorrent application executible on my machine? i just installed it, but can't find it |
| 22:55.38 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: ok so you install with 2.4 |
| 22:55.42 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 22:55.49 | NeedVaseline | multidex: btdownloadcurses ^^ |
| 22:55.51 | Shadowcat | then you upgrade to the 2.6 kernel in testing/unstable |
| 22:55.56 | NeedVaseline | No Shadowcat |
| 22:56.01 | NeedVaseline | I haven't upgraded to 2.6 yet |
| 22:56.07 | saloxin | multidex: bt<tab><tab> or dpkg -L pkgname |
| 22:56.10 | stew | multidex: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 22:56.16 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: there's a major problem with that anyway |
| 22:56.20 | Shadowcat | you can't upgrade to 2.6 in sid |
| 22:56.23 | Shadowcat | it's broken |
| 22:56.24 | multidex | thank you all! |
| 22:56.30 | Shadowcat | and I'm not sure the one in testing will work |
| 22:56.30 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: even compiling myself ? |
| 22:56.41 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: which comes back to |
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| 22:56.48 | Shadowcat | how good do you think you are |
| 22:56.58 | Shadowcat | because the way I see it |
| 22:57.04 | rvsjoen | jberg: http://www.geocities.com/rlcomp_1999/hostname.html |
| 22:57.14 | Shadowcat | the chances of you getting fucked with this is pretty big |
| 22:57.18 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I'm a novice |
| 22:57.18 | Shadowcat | no matter what route you take |
| 22:57.27 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: then we have a BIG problem |
| 22:57.30 | NeedVaseline | My main problem are "timeouts" |
| 22:57.37 | NeedVaseline | And reading around |
| 22:57.44 | NeedVaseline | I thought it may be because of "preempt" being disabled |
| 22:57.49 | __filip_ | brox, i wrote unrar-free /home/filip/bilder.rar an every file fails, what should i do? |
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| 22:58.01 | NeedVaseline | Kernel would try to proccess his own things and lock the machine for a few seconds |
| 22:58.17 | saloxin | __filip_: paste error in #flood? |
| 22:58.20 | jberg | rvsjoen, ok thanks. sure its not some module which i have to load? just set proper nameserver? |
| 22:58.30 | NeedVaseline | Without mention the problem that comes when a player joins the server it lags like hell |
| 22:58.54 | Shadowcat | err no |
| 22:58.59 | danzaconlobos | jsjsjsjs |
| 22:58.59 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: it's HT and a 2.4 kernel |
| 22:59.02 | brox | __filip_: is unrar-free a program you downloaded? i didnt mean it that literaly - just a free unrarer - if thats what you got check your install |
| 22:59.09 | Shadowcat | HT+smp had MAJOR problems |
| 22:59.17 | stew | jberg: if you are using dhcp and don't end up with a usable resolv.conf the dhcp server is misconfigured, and this problem is likely to happen again the next time you renew your lease |
| 22:59.28 | __filip_ | saloxin: ok wait one minute |
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| 22:59.43 | __filip_ | brox: i download this http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar-free |
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| 22:59.49 | rvsjoen | shouldnt be a problem as long as the module for the NIC is loaded, which it is if you are able to bring up the interface |
| 22:59.53 | brox | food time! |
| 23:00.00 | jberg | stew, ok |
| 23:00.14 | chealer | answered myself. latest upstream netpbm has a pnmtopnm utility to do that |
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| 23:00.51 | jberg | but, can the router be a nameserver? like can i put 10.0.0.1 for a nameserver? |
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| 23:01.00 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: within about five min of googling I've come up with several pages where they talk about HT+SMP problems |
| 23:01.01 | rvsjoen | just cheat and add the dns servers to /etc/resolv.conf ;-) (somebody probably said that but I dont bother reading) |
| 23:01.06 | stew | jberg: maybe? |
| 23:01.13 | rvsjoen | jberg: only if your router is able to forward dns queries |
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| 23:01.23 | jberg | ok thanks |
| 23:01.46 | jlmb | rvsjoen: fsck checked the disk, marked it clean but it still give me " /: Superblock last write time is in the future" when booting. |
| 23:02.04 | rvsjoen | do you have any idea what the blocksize is ? |
| 23:02.05 | bahamat | jlmb: what's the date on your computer? |
| 23:02.09 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat |
| 23:02.13 | NeedVaseline | Hear this, it's a copy paste |
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| 23:02.20 | NeedVaseline | 5 computers: 4: 3.0 P4 HT, 1: 3.2P4HT |
| 23:02.23 | jlmb | Thu Dec 15 18:02:20 EST 2005 |
| 23:02.26 | NeedVaseline | The 3.2 did booted with 2.6, no problems, still lagging tho |
| 23:02.28 | jlmb | correct local time. |
| 23:02.30 | NeedVaseline | 3 of the 3.0 booted 2.4 smp |
| 23:02.33 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: yes I HEARD |
| 23:02.37 | NeedVaseline | And the last one |
| 23:02.45 | Shadowcat | look |
| 23:02.46 | NeedVaseline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.52 | Shadowcat | I think your problem is the smp kernel |
| 23:02.54 | NeedVaseline | Why? I dont find an explanation |
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| 23:03.04 | jlmb | rvsjoen: it should be the default that debian install chooses. |
| 23:03.08 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: Linux and Hyper Threading support has been spotty |
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| 23:03.14 | Shadowcat | it's a known problem |
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| 23:03.21 | rvsjoen | if you look at the "-b" parameter in the man 8 fsck.ext3, it says something about an alternative superblock if your superblock is corrupt. however you need the file system's current blocksize to find it |
| 23:03.23 | Shadowcat | in your case you probably saw it boot so you thought it was alright |
| 23:03.23 | mith | huh |
| 23:03.30 | Shadowcat | and you left it alone |
| 23:03.34 | Shadowcat | apparently it ISN'T alright |
| 23:03.38 | Shadowcat | which comes back to |
| 23:03.40 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I just left it as it if was on FC2 |
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| 23:03.47 | jlmb | rvsjoen: any way to find out the blocksize? |
| 23:03.50 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: you should have done that |
| 23:03.51 | stew | NeedVaseline: i run 2.4 SMP kernels on HT xeons and i've never had a problem |
| 23:04.11 | Shadowcat | stew: but there are a couple of hundred posts of people with problems |
| 23:04.14 | cmatheson | ok, so the problem i was talking about earlier about it not seeing my partitions in the partition manager... i RTFM'd again (i've done this install a million kajillion times so i didn't bother reading the install manual), anyway, you're supposed to *not* create the partitions for debian before-hand. i deleted the extra linux partition i had made, and then there were no problems |
| 23:04.19 | mith | i've run 2.4 and 2.6 SMP kernels on HT xeons and p4s and never had an issue not related to hardware failures either |
| 23:04.19 | rvsjoen | you can use mke2fs to print out the blocksize, but i'm not sure if its gonna let you on a mounted file system |
| 23:04.24 | Skrot | How do I entirely change the hostname of my debian installation? Is there a package I can reconfigure so it will be updated everywhere? |
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| 23:04.24 | Shadowcat | actually probably more than a couple of hundreds |
| 23:04.26 | mith | Shadowcat: what kind of problems? |
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| 23:04.45 | jlmb | rvsjoen: ok, Im checking the file system booting from a livecd |
| 23:04.48 | stew | Shadowcat: pick any cpu and you will find thousands of people with problems with that cpu and any kernel, doens't mean much |
| 23:04.49 | mith | i know there have been various bugs related to hyper threading, but nothing specifically catastrophic that wasn't fixed |
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| 23:05.17 | rvsjoen | Skrot: edit /etc/hosts |
| 23:05.22 | Shadowcat | stew: ok if it isn't smp |
| 23:05.22 | Shadowcat | what is it |
| 23:05.24 | Shadowcat | I'm out of ideas |
| 23:05.27 | Skrot | rvsjoen: That's all? |
| 23:05.36 | Shadowcat | because if we can solve his lag problem |
| 23:05.41 | Shadowcat | he doesn't have to change kernels |
| 23:05.45 | Shadowcat | which means he doesn't have to reboot |
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| 23:05.49 | __filip_ | saloxin: thanxx |
| 23:05.50 | rvsjoen | if I recall correctly |
| 23:05.52 | Shadowcat | which means that we can close this case |
| 23:06.00 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: That's the point |
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| 23:06.08 | rvsjoen | jlmb: then mke2fs -n might help you |
| 23:06.21 | stew | NeedVaseline: have you watched vmstat while the problem was occuring? |
| 23:06.22 | NeedVaseline | I thought that precompiled kernels from debian just gave some kind of problem regarding gameservers |
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| 23:06.35 | saloxin | no prob |
| 23:06.35 | NeedVaseline | stew: Problem is quite random |
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| 23:06.37 | rvsjoen | now I gotta feed ,-) good luck |
| 23:06.40 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: the 2.6.8 one is *supposed* to work |
| 23:06.44 | Shadowcat | but doesn't mean it will |
| 23:06.47 | stew | NeedVaseline: how frequent is it? |
| 23:06.52 | NeedVaseline | Quite frequent |
| 23:06.55 | NeedVaseline | People complaint that |
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| 23:07.02 | NeedVaseline | When they join the server, they start getting high pings |
| 23:07.03 | Shadowcat | what about cpu utilization |
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| 23:07.15 | NeedVaseline | And some random timeouts going from 2 to 8 seconds |
| 23:07.16 | Shadowcat | did you try restarting the network stack? |
| 23:07.20 | mith | NeedVaseline: what game server? counterstrike/hl based games? |
| 23:07.20 | stew | NeedVaseline: so leave vmstat running and when it happens look at the vmstat output for a few seconds surrounding the event and see if there was a lot of disk or vm activity |
| 23:07.24 | jlmb | Skrot: man hostname |
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| 23:07.28 | tuv | what's the difference between read-only and non-destructive read-write badblocks tests? which is better? |
| 23:07.29 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: CPU is on 50% at most |
| 23:07.36 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: both of them? |
| 23:07.36 | mith | NeedVaseline: because if it is i've seen that issue |
| 23:07.48 | NeedVaseline | mith: mainly HL/2 mods and some BF2/MoHAA/CoD/2 |
| 23:07.51 | mith | and we fixed it by replacing the hardware |
| 23:07.57 | chalcedony | Snooze: are you back yet? |
| 23:08.00 | Shadowcat | mith: that isn't an option for him either |
| 23:08.02 | chalcedony | i made some food |
| 23:08.04 | Shadowcat | he's miles away from the box |
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| 23:08.18 | mith | Shadowcat: well, I'm just saying, the problem turned out to be faulty hardware. |
| 23:08.23 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 23:08.24 | saloxin | NeedVaseline: install munin or something that logs/diplays system usage, and see if you see any problems |
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| 23:08.32 | Shadowcat | mith: the news just keeps getting better and better for NeedVaseline |
| 23:08.39 | Shadowcat | now he not only has a possible kernel problem |
| 23:08.43 | Shadowcat | but also a possible hardware one |
| 23:08.43 | Shadowcat | :P |
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| 23:08.50 | Shadowcat | mith: so what hardware was at fault |
| 23:08.50 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat |
| 23:08.55 | NeedVaseline | I've tought of a hardware problem |
| 23:09.00 | NeedVaseline | But those are rented machines |
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| 23:09.03 | mith | i remember that problem quite clearly because it was 4 identical servers and only 1 of them was doing it :P |
| 23:09.07 | tuv | what's the difference between read-only and non-destructive read-write badblocks tests? which is better? |
| 23:09.08 | NeedVaseline | And now we got to the point that we say |
| 23:09.18 | NeedVaseline | If It did worked on FC2... why it doesn'ts now? |
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| 23:09.24 | Shadowcat | mith: what failed though |
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| 23:09.32 | mith | Shadowcat: it was either the board or one of the cpus, i honestly don't know as we just swapped out the board/cpu/memory all at once and it was working again. |
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| 23:09.38 | mith | because we had the hardware laying around to do so |
| 23:09.46 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: first off, Fedora Core's kernel code isn't exactly standard |
| 23:09.55 | Shadowcat | I have no idea what Red Hat does with their source |
| 23:10.09 | Shadowcat | but I know that you can't compile a vanilla kernel on a red hat box without running into SERIOUS problems |
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| 23:10.16 | Shadowcat | secondly |
| 23:10.17 | mith | yes you can |
| 23:10.21 | mith | so long as you fix /etc/fstab first |
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| 23:10.28 | mith | stupid label bullshit needs to die |
| 23:10.28 | Shadowcat | hmm... |
| 23:10.33 | Shadowcat | haha |
| 23:10.33 | NeedVaseline | mith: Yeah... those LABEL shit sucks |
| 23:10.44 | NeedVaseline | I remember having those problems with FC2 |
| 23:10.50 | stew | NeedVaseline: run this "vmstat 1" and leave it running in a shell, the next time it happens show us the output surrounding the event |
| 23:10.54 | Shadowcat | ok I was wrong there |
| 23:11.02 | Shadowcat | but I'm right about the red hat custom kernels |
| 23:11.02 | NeedVaseline | stew |
| 23:11.06 | NeedVaseline | I will tell some people to join now |
| 23:11.08 | mith | yes, yes you are |
| 23:11.12 | Shadowcat | you have no idea of what they've done with it |
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| 23:11.25 | Shadowcat | it might be that they added 200 lines of error correction to a specific module |
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| 23:11.28 | Shadowcat | you never know |
| 23:11.31 | mith | errr, you could just diff it against the vanilla tree and find out? |
| 23:11.32 | Shadowcat | the point is |
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| 23:11.46 | Shadowcat | mith: yes I'm so gonna diff the entire kernel tree for fun :P |
| 23:12.01 | mith | but there's no way to know which change would make it work with that kernel and not with vanilla ... quickly anyways |
| 23:12.02 | Shadowcat | there's a bloody reason I don't get within a mile of an rpm based distro :P |
| 23:12.02 | mith | :P |
| 23:12.13 | __filip_ | when i try to install gparted in synaptic i get an error ( http://pastebin.com/465950 ) what can do ? |
| 23:12.28 | NeedVaseline | mith |
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| 23:12.36 | NeedVaseline | I could tell that 1 of the machines is faulty |
| 23:12.36 | stew | Shadowcat: why are you against redhat patching their kernel's but not debian patching theirs? what is the difference? |
| 23:12.36 | Shadowcat | __filip_: update your source? |
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| 23:12.49 | NeedVaseline | Because when booting 2.4 smp |
| 23:12.49 | Shadowcat | stew: I don't run a debian stock kernel now do I? |
| 23:12.51 | __filip_ | what shouldi update? |
| 23:12.54 | NeedVaseline | It just froze up at some random stage |
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| 23:13.14 | Shadowcat | stew: that said I don't like the vanilla kernel to 100% either |
| 23:13.15 | NeedVaseline | No error, no panic |
| 23:13.15 | mith | well, things do error out more subtly than that occasionally you know :P |
| 23:13.20 | Shadowcat | but I'd rather know what goes into my kernels |
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| 23:13.33 | NeedVaseline | Yeah mith, but, no errors :S |
| 23:13.38 | Walzmyn | __filip_ hit the "update" button at the top of the windwo |
| 23:13.38 | stew | uhh |
| 23:13.48 | stew | Shadowcat: why would you not know what is going into your kernels? |
| 23:13.49 | mith | NeedVaseline: this is the same machine having the issue? |
| 23:14.10 | __filip_ | Walzmyn: You mean reload? i have done that. |
| 23:14.11 | stew | Shadowcat: and redhat/debian patching kernels is indeed a good thing /msg dpkg kernel of instability |
| 23:14.31 | mith | is kernel of instability .4.12 or does it talk about a different one now? |
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| 23:14.31 | mith | heh |
| 23:14.45 | mith | or was that 11, whatever |
| 23:14.54 | Walzmyn | __filip_ I don't know anymore than that, I was just trying to parse what the other guy said |
| 23:14.56 | stew | mith: its the one that said that stabiliztion of the kernel is up to the distros not the kernel developers |
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| 23:15.10 | Syruss | anyone know how my icewm is being loaded (I can't find any .xinitrc's anywhere), and how I can run a script after it's loaded? |
| 23:15.12 | __filip_ | Walzmyn: ok |
| 23:15.18 | mith | stew: oh, that thing were linus made a jackass out of himself |
| 23:15.30 | stew | mith: no, this is from Anderew Morton |
| 23:15.30 | matiu | Does anyone know if Micheal Beattie is here? |
| 23:15.47 | NeedVaseline | mith: Sadly, 5 machines are having the issue |
| 23:15.58 | Walzmyn | __filip_ you could try installing from apt-get in terminal and seeing if you get a more descriptive error output |
| 23:16.04 | mith | NeedVaseline: oh, then it might be different .. what *exactly* happens |
| 23:16.11 | Shadowcat | heh feature rich |
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| 23:16.13 | Shadowcat | I find that funny |
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| 23:16.16 | __filip_ | Walzmyn: ok |
| 23:16.19 | Shadowcat | I WANT reiser4 in the kernel damnit |
| 23:16.24 | rue_work | what "version |
| 23:16.24 | Shadowcat | where's my reiser4 </whine> |
| 23:16.27 | Syruss | compile it in then |
| 23:16.28 | albert___ | ? |
| 23:16.33 | Shadowcat | Syruss: that's what I did |
| 23:16.37 | rue_work | what "version number" would you say stable is? |
| 23:16.49 | NeedVaseline | mith: Boots, normally until some random (quite random) stage |
| 23:16.50 | __filip_ | Walzmyn: same message but in swedish. |
| 23:16.52 | NeedVaseline | And then stays there |
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| 23:16.55 | NeedVaseline | No keys will do effect |
| 23:16.56 | Shadowcat | "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable." <--- I was commenting on that |
| 23:16.58 | franx | i have kernel 2.4.27 with libata (i guess), how could i mount it? |
| 23:17.00 | NeedVaseline | Just... reset button |
| 23:17.01 | stew | rue_work: 3.1r0a |
| 23:17.07 | mith | NeedVaseline: does it work with 2.6 and is this woody or sarge? |
| 23:17.10 | franx | mount the sata drive |
| 23:17.16 | Walzmyn | __filip_ ha! well, sorry. i'm pretty much a noob myself. ask again and see if one of the experts picks it up |
| 23:17.21 | rue_work | stew sounds good to me |
| 23:17.41 | NeedVaseline | mith: No, its one of the 4 that wont boot 2.6 (attempted to kill init), and running sarge |
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| 23:17.50 | __filip_ | Walzmyn: Okej then i ask again. |
| 23:17.58 | mith | uhhh |
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| 23:18.30 | cmroc | guess i need to reboot so i can try this 2.6 kernel. |
| 23:18.35 | __filip_ | Somebody knows what this message mean http://pastebin.com/465950 ? |
| 23:18.41 | Shadowcat | __filip_: first off |
| 23:18.46 | Shadowcat | don't use synaptics |
| 23:18.49 | stew | NeedVaseline: wait, i thought you said you were running unstable, not sarge |
| 23:18.49 | Shadowcat | secondly, |
| 23:18.53 | mith | either you have really weird hardware that's triggering some off the wall kernel bug, or you got a batch of bad hardware |
| 23:18.53 | azeem | Shadowcat: why not? |
| 23:18.56 | Shadowcat | did you try apt-get update |
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| 23:19.11 | Shadowcat | azeem: I find aptitude a much better front end |
| 23:19.24 | azeem | Shadowcat: I wouldn't recommend aptitude to my dad |
| 23:19.25 | mith | NeedVaseline: that's what it sounds like to me, anyways |
| 23:19.31 | NeedVaseline | mith: I've got 2 machines running unstable |
| 23:19.32 | azeem | he seems happy with synaptic, though |
| 23:19.44 | __filip_ | No Walsmyn said that i should press the reload button in sunaptic and why shoul i dont use synaptic? |
| 23:19.50 | moi | hi, i'm just installing debian. the installation went through fine, but when i restart it hangs showing "LI" the first two letters of LILO i think. what can i do? |
| 23:19.58 | Shadowcat | lilo? |
| 23:20.04 | Shadowcat | moi: are you running woody? |
| 23:20.08 | azeem | __filip_: so do a reload and see whether that solves your problem |
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| 23:20.16 | stew | __filip_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:20.16 | NeedVaseline | mith: Yes, on that one I thoguht of faulty hardware |
| 23:20.23 | NeedVaseline | mith: May I PM you? |
| 23:20.27 | __filip_ | azeem: Same message again. |
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| 23:20.38 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: I still hold you to that pic though :P |
| 23:20.39 | mith | NeedVaseline: you may, but I may (will) not respond |
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| 23:20.42 | moi | Shadowcat, lilo yes. i think it's 3.0r4 or so |
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| 23:20.51 | Shadowcat | !tell moi about sarge |
| 23:20.58 | __filip_ | stew: 3.1 r or what it was called |
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| 23:21.05 | NeedVaseline | mith: Then it's nosense on pm'ing you |
| 23:21.15 | moi | Shadowcat, who tells me this will work? |
| 23:21.17 | stew | __filip_: gparted was never in stable aka sarge aka 3.1 |
| 23:21.19 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: don't pm people |
| 23:21.19 | corvax | is there a package that will allow me to record any sound going through your audio card |
| 23:21.22 | mith | why doesn't dancer understand +g anyways, so annoying |
| 23:21.30 | Shadowcat | !sarge |
| 23:21.30 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 23:21.37 | __filip_ | stew: And that mean? |
| 23:21.38 | silvinho | has anyone had luck getting silicon image 3124 working on debian ? |
| 23:21.44 | Shadowcat | mith: because we don't want to flood the channel with factoids |
| 23:21.52 | tuv | what's the difference between read-only and non-destructive read-write badblocks tests? which is better? |
| 23:21.53 | silvinho | open source driver doesn't appear till 2.6.15-rc2 it looks like |
| 23:22.01 | mith | Shadowcat: huh |
| 23:22.06 | Shadowcat | silvinho: look for a patch then |
| 23:22.09 | cmroc | brb i hope |
| 23:22.25 | stew | __filip_: synaptic is correct. no version is available for your dist. you can try a backport /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:22.26 | silvinho | Shadowcat: heh i was hoping someone already did the work |
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| 23:22.43 | Shadowcat | !lazy |
| 23:22.43 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 23:22.50 | corvax | kind of like total recorder for windoze or wiretap in osx |
| 23:22.50 | mith | Shadowcat: +g is a user mode for server side privmessage ignores |
| 23:23.05 | Shadowcat | mith: maybe on this network |
| 23:23.12 | Shadowcat | on efnet it means no private messages |
| 23:23.21 | mith | uh, that's what I just said? |
| 23:23.34 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 23:23.37 | Shadowcat | ok so turn it off |
| 23:23.41 | __filip_ | stew: should i write the in terminal? |
| 23:23.41 | NeedVaseline | I will just go outside |
| 23:23.43 | NeedVaseline | Smoke a cig |
| 23:23.44 | NeedVaseline | And relax |
| 23:23.46 | Shadowcat | dpkg msgs some pretty interesting stuff |
| 23:23.48 | NeedVaseline | I'm about to quit my job |
| 23:23.52 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: need a hammer? |
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| 23:24.06 | stew | __filip_: no, in irc, dpkg is a bot, "/msg dpkg backports" will ask the bot about backports |
| 23:24.08 | mith | Shadowcat: it's not an option with dancer apparently, is what I was saying, and I commented that that was annoying? :P |
| 23:24.24 | NeedVaseline | I just dont get why does it lags, machines have enough capacity AND enough bandwidth to run those gameservers |
| 23:24.31 | __filip_ | stew: aha, thanx |
| 23:24.31 | mith | or whatever offshoot of dancer they're running now |
| 23:24.35 | _Roey | NeedVaseline: funny nick |
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| 23:24.52 | stew | NeedVaseline: check how much disk access is happening when it lags, as I keep try to tell you |
| 23:25.05 | Shadowcat | mith: dancer? |
| 23:25.07 | Shadowcat | what kind of client is that |
| 23:25.18 | azeem | it's a server |
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| 23:25.28 | stew | Shadowcat: dancer is the irc server that freenode used to run on |
| 23:25.29 | Shadowcat | stew: I think NeedVaseline is way in over his head |
| 23:25.34 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 23:25.35 | chalcedony | Shadowcat: he's talking about an ircd (the operating sysetm for an irc server) |
| 23:26.02 | Shadowcat | you might wanna pay attention here too |
| 23:26.02 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 23:26.04 | gary_ | Hey guys I'm trying to use a command line tool to use a CDDB to match a music album and change the files to the right track names. I am currently using cddbcmd but I can't get it working. Any suggestions on how to use it or other tools in command line? |
| 23:26.07 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I'm quite annoyed |
| 23:26.09 | znx | Shadowcat: :PP |
| 23:26.19 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline is the one with the smp kernels |
| 23:26.24 | Shadowcat | who's really desperate here |
| 23:26.32 | NeedVaseline | stew: I will, but still nosense, on FC2 they did worked fine |
| 23:26.49 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: do I need to show you the pic again :P |
| 23:26.52 | Shadowcat | you caused this mess |
| 23:26.57 | Shadowcat | the question is how are you gonna get out of it |
| 23:27.00 | mith | stew: it still runs on dancer, they just changed the name and forked it. :P |
| 23:27.01 | Shadowcat | if you can get out of it |
| 23:27.06 | stew | mith: ahh |
| 23:27.07 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I thought some people here could help me |
| 23:27.21 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: what do you think we were trying to do for the past 30 min :P |
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| 23:27.28 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: Still no answer :P |
| 23:27.37 | Shadowcat | there is no simple answer to your question |
| 23:27.45 | Shadowcat | all options you can take are a pain in the ass |
| 23:27.46 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: then I want the complex one |
| 23:27.51 | Shadowcat | and involve some major fuckups |
| 23:27.56 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: you got that around 20 min ago |
| 23:27.59 | Shadowcat | and you didn't like it |
| 23:28.03 | NeedVaseline | Ok |
| 23:28.04 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat |
| 23:28.06 | Shadowcat | but that's the only ones you have available |
| 23:28.08 | NeedVaseline | Now the channel is calm |
| 23:28.14 | NeedVaseline | I can read better |
| 23:28.21 | NeedVaseline | Its quite hot in Argentina you know |
| 23:28.25 | NeedVaseline | Computer doesnt's help |
| 23:28.28 | chalcedony | NeedVaseline: private lessons might be good or re read the previous advice.. do you log? |
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| 23:28.30 | Pego | hi |
| 23:28.34 | quitte | gary_: i like abcde |
| 23:28.49 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: to sum it up |
| 23:28.51 | Pego | i rebuilt raid device via mdadm and evms and it's dawm slow what can i do please ? |
| 23:28.56 | Shadowcat | if you want to reboot into a new 2.6 kernel |
| 23:29.00 | Shadowcat | you need 2.6.12 in testing |
| 23:29.05 | Shadowcat | and if it fucks up upon boot |
| 23:29.08 | Shadowcat | well you're fucked |
| 23:29.08 | stew | !tell Shadowcat about enter |
| 23:29.12 | Shadowcat | that's a risk you're gonna have to take |
| 23:29.14 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
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| 23:29.27 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: Why compiling isn't a good choice ? |
| 23:29.32 | gary_ | quitte: is that command line though. It seems to only work with a CD inserted? |
| 23:29.38 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I trusted that I still would have the savedefault |
| 23:29.41 | quitte | Pego: let it work in the background and do something else while you're waiting |
| 23:29.44 | stew | Shadowcat: honestly, you just split a sentence into 5 lines on irc, that's really unnecessary |
| 23:29.46 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: You know, I will install an older version of grub |
| 23:29.47 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: you can try your own kernel too |
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| 23:30.04 | quitte | gary_: it's commandline, yes. and how else but with inserted cd would it work? |
| 23:30.07 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: but that still leaves you with the fuckup problem. which still remains |
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| 23:30.17 | Shadowcat | and since you're a novice, you're probably gonna screw something up |
| 23:30.17 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: If my kernel with preempt works |
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| 23:30.36 | Pego | quitte: okay okay ill go sleep but since i rebot myu box i had a degraded mode on a disk that seems not fail realy i must get it out of the raid and bring back in directly ? |
| 23:30.39 | Shadowcat | or you can follow stew's advice, and either read logs until you find the problem, or throw up |
| 23:30.42 | Shadowcat | either way |
| 23:30.44 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: Problem here is the timeout/lags problem |
| 23:30.44 | gary_ | quitte: well there are some tools that you can specify a directory and it will match it to the cddb |
| 23:30.45 | stew | NeedVaseline: i don't understand why you arent trying to figure out what is causing the lag before you try to fix it by switching kernls |
| 23:30.48 | Shadowcat | you're gonna have to make a choice |
| 23:30.53 | Shadowcat | and they all suck |
| 23:30.55 | gary_ | quitte: I know of several windows ones that do it |
| 23:30.58 | gary_ | not sure about linux though |
| 23:31.12 | Shadowcat | gary_: umm |
| 23:31.14 | NeedVaseline | stew: CPU's availability is of 50& |
| 23:31.14 | Shadowcat | Juk |
| 23:31.16 | NeedVaseline | 50% |
| 23:31.21 | quitte | gary_: sounds great. if you find one that works please tell me |
| 23:31.24 | NeedVaseline | When gameservers are full |
| 23:31.24 | stew | NeedVaseline: what about disk io |
| 23:31.39 | litage | which program do you guys reccomend for ripping CDs into mp3s? grip? ripperx? ..? |
| 23:31.39 | NeedVaseline | stew: Told you I'm going to log that with vmstat |
| 23:31.41 | Shadowcat | pay attention :P |
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| 23:31.50 | NeedVaseline | stew: But we come back to the thing, on FC2 they did not screwed |
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| 23:31.58 | stew | NeedVaseline: then use FC2 |
| 23:32.01 | hebfftijd | need to play wmv movies how can i do so |
| 23:32.08 | Shadowcat | stew: which comes back to WHY the hell did he change it |
| 23:32.10 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 23:32.10 | NeedVaseline | stew: Sorry, that choice wont be mine |
| 23:32.16 | NeedVaseline | hebfftijd: mplayer ? |
| 23:32.17 | ribnitz | hebfftijd: mplayer? |
| 23:32.18 | jjazz | hebfftijd, w32codecs |
| 23:32.20 | quitte | Pego: i have no idea what you mean by degraded mode |
| 23:32.40 | hebfftijd | have them mplayer and w32codecs but it wont work |
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| 23:32.42 | znx | Shadowcat: .. oh :\ |
| 23:32.48 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I'm more used to a debian env |
| 23:33.01 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I really dislike RPM |
| 23:33.09 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: you reap what you sew |
| 23:33.17 | Shadowcat | znx will tell you how much I hate rpm |
| 23:33.25 | Shadowcat | but even I wouldn't fuck with something that works |
| 23:33.35 | znx | yeah he hits me daily due to an rpms |
| 23:33.48 | NeedVaseline | Thing is they had a totally insecure system |
| 23:33.51 | NeedVaseline | I couldn't fix it all |
| 23:33.51 | znx | Shadowcat: thats a lie.. you run unstable ;P |
| 23:33.59 | jjazz | znx, I assume you means s/r// |
| 23:34.01 | NeedVaseline | They installed things from source and some with yum, some with rpm |
| 23:34.01 | chalcedony | NeedVaseline: i appreciate your struggles |
| 23:34.04 | Shadowcat | znx: on my laptop ya |
| 23:34.09 | Shadowcat | my server runs Sarge |
| 23:34.14 | znx | jjazz: no comment ;D |
| 23:34.19 | Pego | quitte: okay (but |
| 23:34.19 | Pego | not more than 200000 KB/sec) for reconstruction. |
| 23:34.27 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: Yum sucks |
| 23:34.28 | Pego | quitte: its normal ? |
| 23:34.30 | NeedVaseline | I didnt thought that installing a base debian system would screw things up |
| 23:34.31 | heptan | my soundcard works now, but only under 2.4 not under 2.6. |
| 23:34.33 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: EXACTLY |
| 23:34.39 | quitte | Pego: sounds pretty fast to me |
| 23:34.45 | Shadowcat | NeedVaseline: it wouldn't if you had spent more time monitoring it |
| 23:34.47 | Shadowcat | but anyway |
| 23:34.52 | Shadowcat | we're going around in circles |
| 23:34.52 | heptan | now i have to install the pcmcia for 2.4 - but which one to choose? |
| 23:34.54 | quitte | Pego: pretty damn fast in fact |
| 23:34.58 | Shadowcat | you got your two/three answers |
| 23:35.00 | Shadowcat | either way |
| 23:35.00 | heptan | pcmcia-modules or kernel-pcmcia-modules? |
| 23:35.03 | Shadowcat | you're still fucked |
| 23:35.03 | stew | heptan: which driver worked in 2.4? |
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| 23:35.10 | grumpydog | ack |
| 23:35.15 | stew | heptan: pcmcia is included in 2.6 kernels |
| 23:35.20 | heptan | stew: modprobe sound |
| 23:35.21 | heptan | insmod uart401 |
| 23:35.21 | heptan | insmod sb io=0x220 dma=1 irq=5 |
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| 23:35.34 | heptan | stew: from here: http://home.comcast.net/~fbui/Linux-on-TP380ED.html |
| 23:35.40 | Pego | quitte: okay and no problem with rebuilding 2 raid at the same time ? |
| 23:35.45 | heptan | stew: these modules do not exist in 2.6 |
| 23:35.51 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat: I'm speaking to one of the players |
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| 23:36.10 | grumpydog | Debian has the easiest install interface |
| 23:36.14 | quitte | Pego: it's rebuilding now anyways, isn't it? why don'T you just wait and see once it finished? |
| 23:36.18 | AoA | Somebody maybe know how to change mount point for APT ? I searched for apt.conf but I didnt find that file on hard disk. |
| 23:36.19 | heptan | stew: ah you mean the pcmcia? |
| 23:36.25 | litage | which package provides the lame encoder? |
| 23:36.30 | Shadowcat | grumpydog: actually red hat has the easiest install interface |
| 23:36.38 | Shadowcat | it even beats Microsoft |
| 23:36.42 | stew | heptan: there is a sb in 2.6, and there are several sb modules for alsa. /sbin/modprobe -l | grep sb |
| 23:36.45 | Shadowcat | but that doesn't excuse the fact that red hat sucks |
| 23:37.04 | stew | Shadowcat: can you please only hit enter once per sentence? |
| 23:37.06 | Pego | quitte: i ll do but i have for about 10/20 hours :/ and i have another raid that is in degraded and it' long so i wanted to know if it's a good idead to lauch the second rebuild for the noght |
| 23:37.06 | grumpydog | Shadowcat, do you not mean fedora? |
| 23:37.11 | litage | either way, people shouldn't be using redhat anymore. it's way outdated |
| 23:37.11 | silvinho | ahahah word shadowcat |
| 23:37.30 | Shadowcat | grumpydog: well red hat uses the same installer across the board I think |
| 23:37.38 | heptan | stew: the question now is: install pcmcia-modules or kernel-pcmcia-modules (for 2.4) - as i will use 2.4 because sound just works there. |
| 23:37.40 | citral | !start a distro war |
| 23:37.40 | dpkg | MEPIS sux0rz! |
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| 23:38.14 | idis | !tell litage about marillat |
| 23:38.29 | quitte | if it's a raid seperate of the other i dont see a problem. |
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| 23:38.51 | grumpydog | Shadowcat, not exactly, besides if one cannot build from binary finary pfft. There are different levels of expertise with all distros....Let's start with destroying windows hehe |
| 23:38.51 | stew | heptan: i don't think there is a difference, apt-get install pcmcia-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 23:39.02 | heptan | stew: ok. thanks |
| 23:39.04 | dusk | hey, what file do I need in order to build c program files with cc ? |
| 23:39.06 | Pego | quitte: no thos two raid are a part of a raid 0+1 |
| 23:39.17 | stew | dusk: install build-essential |
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| 23:39.19 | Pego | quitte: arg 35H for 160go :/ |
| 23:39.21 | quitte | Pego: dont do it then |
| 23:39.21 | devicenull | the default apach2 install seems quite screwed up |
| 23:39.32 | quitte | Pego: what size is this? |
| 23:39.32 | Pego | quitte: okay i'll wait tomorrow |
| 23:39.32 | dusk | stew: i have that. :( |
| 23:39.34 | Shadowcat | I'm just that evil :P |
| 23:39.41 | Pego | quitte: 160 go |
| 23:39.48 | grumpydog | Shadowcat, you wish bish :P |
| 23:39.49 | dusk | stew: im trying to build a simple .c program, but it tells me it cant find include, printf, etc |
| 23:39.49 | quitte | what is a go? |
| 23:40.05 | devicenull | Default install of apache2 uses name based virtual hosting, and adds the ssl module. |
| 23:40.08 | Pego | quitte: 1000 meg dunno how tell it in english |
| 23:40.11 | Shadowcat | dusk: does "Hello World" work? |
| 23:40.12 | silvinho | redhat installer is same across the board no? i just installed as/es/ws[2-4] desktop2/3 and didn't see much different |
| 23:40.15 | devicenull | However, you cant have name based virtual hosting and ssl |
| 23:40.18 | amphi | dusk: install libc-dev ? |
| 23:40.19 | dusk | shadowcat: thats what this is |
| 23:40.24 | quitte | Pego: gigabyte or gibibyte |
| 23:40.32 | dusk | amphi, got that too |
| 23:40.35 | Shadowcat | silvinho: it's pretty much the same yes |
| 23:40.38 | quitte | Pego: G or g |
| 23:40.42 | Shadowcat | dusk: you're screwed then, mega screwed |
| 23:40.44 | amphi | dusk: gnu hello world is not a simple program ;) |
| 23:40.44 | stew | dusk: that stuff is in libc6-dev which build-essential depends on, so if you have build-essential you should have /usr/include/stdio.h |
| 23:40.45 | grumpydog | learn .c then and your headers are probably wrong including glib .c out of date? |
| 23:40.51 | Pego | quitte: k but 35 hours for 160 G is long no ? |
| 23:41.13 | litage | thanks idis. so the lame package can be found in the marillat repository? |
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| 23:41.22 | dusk | stew: i dunno then mang, I have all the updated files |
| 23:41.26 | idis | litage: there should be lame there |
| 23:41.32 | dusk | stew: I just type cc helloworld.c |
| 23:41.33 | dusk | ? |
| 23:41.44 | stew | dusk: yes |
| 23:41.52 | bucky | hi grumpydog |
| 23:41.53 | dusk | stew; then im not losing my mind |
| 23:41.56 | quitte | Pego: 76M/min you decide |
| 23:42.05 | grumpydog | BUCKY m000! |
| 23:42.06 | stew | dusk: did you "include <stdio.h>" in your .c? |
| 23:42.07 | grumpydog | :) |
| 23:42.10 | bucky | haha |
| 23:42.12 | dusk | stew: of course |
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| 23:42.24 | grumpydog | got the email bucky |
| 23:42.26 | _MoRcEgAuM_ | brasnet.org |
| 23:42.31 | dusk | stew: sec, ill pastebin the error |
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| 23:42.42 | bucky | yes.. you're on my im list grumpydog |
| 23:42.52 | NeedVaseline | Shadowcat |
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| 23:42.55 | grumpydog | bucky, about bloody time |
| 23:42.57 | grumpydog | hehe |
| 23:43.01 | NeedVaseline | How do I install a Sarge package under Sid ? |
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| 23:43.16 | stew | NeedVaseline: dont' mix stable and non-stable |
| 23:43.37 | litage | idis: hrmm..can't connect to marillat. apt says: Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Release Could not connect passive socket. [IP: 62.4.17.14 21] |
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| 23:43.56 | grumpydog | stew someone has to do it...be brave and s/send/patches |
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| 23:44.05 | nuskool | I've recently run into a problem with my PCMCIA, I removed a couple programs last night (discover1 being one of them since I recompiled my kernel with all my hardware built in) and when I went to reboot it this morning I get to the "Starting PCMCIA services..." message, then get a "cs: checking memory (some address range), except (some address range). Can anyone help me out with this? |
| 23:44.06 | stew | grumpydog: do what? |
| 23:44.09 | Pego | quitte: it's damn slow :( |
| 23:44.13 | NeedVaseline | stew: I need an old version of grub |
| 23:44.15 | quitte | Pego: how can you rebuild raid0? |
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| 23:44.29 | |XO| | if i need to run fsck how can i run it at startup before it mounts the drives? |
| 23:44.29 | dusk | stew: heh, got it |
| 23:44.31 | Pego | quitte: the prob is tha if there is a probleme while the 35H i lose all |
| 23:44.36 | phrontist | I can't seem to install java for firefox... I followed these directions: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html#install-java |
| 23:44.38 | idis | litage: that is passive ftp problem |
| 23:44.48 | stew | NeedVaseline: install the previous one with apt-get install grub=version |
| 23:44.48 | nuskool | (sorry I can't reproduce the error, I moved /etc/init.d/pcmcia to a different location to get debian to behave again) |
| 23:44.52 | litage | idis: right |
| 23:44.53 | Pego | quitte: i have to rebuild the 2 raid 1 that are part of a raid0 |
| 23:44.53 | AoA | How to change mount point for APT ? |
| 23:44.58 | dusk | stew: can i set vim to use cc ? |
| 23:45.11 | stew | dusk: i don't know, ask #vim |
| 23:45.17 | quitte | Pego: ah. why didnt you use raid5 in the first place? |
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| 23:45.25 | idis | litage: any iptables settings that conflict with ftp? |
| 23:45.33 | stew | AoA: man apt.conf |
| 23:45.44 | Pego | quitte: i don't really know but now it's a bit late :) i have data on those raid :) |
| 23:45.44 | idis | litage: or can you simply ftp to the site? |
| 23:45.52 | grumpydog | sftp is better |
| 23:46.12 | quitte | Pego: anyhow. rebuilding raid1 you won'T loose data. it's just mirroring those disks |
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| 23:46.40 | AoA | stew , sure, but I cant find anything about that that I can use. I just change cable connected on dvdrw , and APT wont work. Now, I pluged it back, and not work |
| 23:46.48 | litage | idis: i can ftp into the site |
| 23:47.05 | litage | idis: i'll try disable passive ftp in apt.conf for this site |
| 23:47.08 | idis | litage: then its an apt ftp setting |
| 23:47.28 | NeedVaseline | stew: I will show you a graphic |
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| 23:48.08 | stew | AoA: do you need to update the /dev/cdrom symlink possibly? |
| 23:48.10 | Pego | quitte: yes but if there is a problem :( |
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| 23:48.22 | Pego | i mm sure i can increase this speed recovery = 1.0% (1746048/160079552) finish=2537.3min speed=1036K/sec |
| 23:48.23 | quitte | Pego:sitting there and worrying wont help. |
| 23:48.31 | Pego | echo 20000000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max do nothing |
| 23:48.33 | idis | grumpydog: can you call me when you see a provider having sftp server for customers on a free basis? |
| 23:48.43 | |XO| | is e2fsck safer than fsck? |
| 23:48.51 | NeedVaseline | stew: |
| 23:48.53 | NeedVaseline | http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=timeout4cm.jpg |
| 23:48.56 | quitte | Pego: messing with things will slow the rebuild. leave the filesystem alone |
| 23:48.57 | Pego | quitte: you problably right but i have to rebuild 2 raid so 80H it's damn too long !!! |
| 23:49.03 | FromTO | where can I find info on configuring my wireless card. lspci detects the card |
| 23:49.06 | nuskool | I've recently run into a problem with my PCMCIA, I removed a couple programs last night (discover1 being one of them since I recompiled my kernel with all my hardware built in) and when I went to reboot it this morning I get to the "Starting PCMCIA services..." message, then get a "cs: checking memory (some address range), except (some address range) and debian just stops booting. Can anyone help me out with this? |
| 23:49.12 | stumbles | hi, my gnome help browser comes up blank - off the top of their head, can someone tell me the name of the help package? |
| 23:49.14 | quitte | Pego: and messing with things may break things. GO TO BED |
| 23:49.23 | AoA | stew , how to update that symlink ??? |
| 23:49.24 | stew | NeedVaseline: i have no idea what that is |
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| 23:49.52 | quitte | Pego: and how is it too long? you can still use the system. |
| 23:49.59 | NeedVaseline | stew: The graphic where you see green->red stuff is a network grafic |
| 23:50.03 | stew | AoA: rm the old one and ln -s /dev/hdx /cdrom where x is probably a b c d |
| 23:50.51 | Pego | quitte: im paranoid perhaps but 4 day to sync 4 drive is way to long :/ |
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| 23:51.17 | Pego | quitte: i mean it a question , i mean why can i increase the speed |
| 23:51.20 | quitte | Pego: if you dont touch the filesystem it'S faster |
| 23:51.31 | stew | NeedVaseline: are you expecting that by looking at that picture i might be able to tell you why your server lags? |
| 23:51.34 | sgeigerbot | What's the term I'm trying to recall? I think it's something like "network management network." It's apparently a network that only network admins use. |
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| 23:51.59 | quitte | Pego: think about increasing speed when it finished. while it'S recovering you put your data in danger unnecisserily |
| 23:52.02 | NeedVaseline | stew: No, no way |
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| 23:52.14 | NeedVaseline | stew: I'm just showing you what kind of "lag" I speak of |
| 23:52.26 | NeedVaseline | mith: You still around ? |
| 23:52.30 | NeedVaseline | stew: Loss and Choke |
| 23:52.40 | AoA | stew . Is /cdrom BLOCK DEVICE or MOUNT POINT ? |
| 23:52.52 | stew | AoA: a mount point |
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| 23:53.06 | stew | AoA: a block device would be something like /dev/hdc |
| 23:53.10 | quitte | Pego: maybe general disk performance is just bad. maybe dma isn'T on. still - dont risk your data messing with it now |
| 23:53.20 | stew | AoA: do you have /cdrom in your /etc/fstab? |
| 23:53.38 | stew | NeedVaseline: i don't know what you mean by Loss and Choke |
| 23:53.44 | AoA | stew , no, I have cdrom0 and cdrom1 |
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| 23:54.16 | stew | AoA: it /media/cdrom0? /dev/cdrom0? what? |
| 23:54.24 | Pego | quitte: damn well .. i did it anyway :((( recovery = 1.7% (2729728/160079552) finish=254.3min speed=10309K/sec |
| 23:54.37 | Pego | quitte: bah too late now i can go sleep :( |
| 23:54.41 | NeedVaseline | stew: Packets loss and choke |
| 23:54.45 | quitte | Pego: dma? |
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| 23:54.54 | Pego | quitte: it tomorrow disk is crash it will be my fault :( |
| 23:55.04 | chalcedony | Snooze ??? |
| 23:55.07 | Pego | quitte: dma 133 |
| 23:55.12 | chalcedony | are you back yet Snooze ? |
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| 23:55.18 | quitte | Pego: and it wasn'T switched on? |
| 23:55.21 | bdhenderson | anyone know of a good graphical system monitor? |
| 23:55.22 | chalcedony | hi CrazyEddy |
| 23:55.24 | bdhenderson | for ked |
| 23:55.26 | bdhenderson | kde* |
| 23:55.40 | stew | NeedVaseline: look. I understand that your server is "lagging" i have told you what I would recommend to diagnose it, you don't seem to want to do it, so we're at a standstill |
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| 23:55.56 | NeedVaseline | stew: I will monitor it |
| 23:56.06 | CrazyEddy | Hey. |
| 23:56.07 | Pego | quitte: witched on ? |
| 23:57.15 | AoA | stew , I have /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 , /meda/cdrom0 is linked to /media/cdrom |
| 23:57.37 | stew | AoA: and what device is being mounted to /media/cdrom0? /dev/what? |
| 23:58.06 | stew | AoA: does "mount /media/cdrom0" work? |
| 23:58.12 | bdhenderson | firefox is using over 120mb of memory, is that normal? |
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| 23:58.30 | stew | bdhenderson: yes |
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| 23:58.40 | resiak | !free memory |
| 23:58.40 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 23:58.51 | resiak | also, Firefox is a leaky bastard ;) |
| 23:59.17 | stew | resiak: it is? |
| 23:59.29 | resiak | stew: I hear so. I don't use it, so can't say. |
| 23:59.41 | stew | resiak: i leave it running for days at a time with no problems |
| 23:59.41 | bdhenderson | ok, because that answers that. because whenever i ckise a program, the ram isnt released |
