| 00:00.06 | resiak | ckise? |
| 00:00.12 | stew | bdhenderson: how are you determining that? |
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| 00:00.51 | AoA | stew , ALL mounts works just fine, I mount my DVDRW device to /media/cdrom0 and CDRW device to /media/cdrom1 , but APT cant find DVD in my DVDrw |
| 00:00.58 | Pego | quitte: thanks for all i'll go sleep and hope all will be good |
| 00:01.08 | bdhenderson | stew: gnone-system-monitor |
| 00:01.10 | quitte | Pego: good night and luck |
| 00:01.17 | seven_six_two | I have an ATI 9100QM installed with proprietary drivers in a debian testing/unstable system, and just bought a GeForce 6800gtoc. I looked for info on how to install it, but couldn't find any good info. I know it would be easy to reinstall and have it detected, but I want to keep what I have and just switch. are there any good resources on switching from ati to nvidia? |
| 00:01.18 | seven_six_two | or is it just a matter of init 3, removing modules, shutting down and switching, then installing new modules and driver? |
| 00:01.31 | stew | AoA: did you change apt.conf to point to /media/cdrom0? |
| 00:01.52 | stew | bdhenderson: are you subtracting "buffers" and "cache" from the amount of ram used? |
| 00:02.24 | bdhenderson | can someone recommend a good kde system monitor? |
| 00:02.41 | stew | seven_six_two: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; in the drivers section select nv ; restart x |
| 00:02.42 | AoA | stew , I dont have that file, apt.conf ! |
| 00:02.47 | stew | AoA: create it |
| 00:03.52 | AoA | stew , I dont know how to create right now, do you maybe have yours to paste me somewhere ? Or somebody else guys ? |
| 00:04.09 | stew | AoA: nano apt.conf |
| 00:04.22 | stew | AoA: or /usr/bin/editor apt.conf |
| 00:04.31 | seven_six_two | stew: that easy? shouldn't i get the drivers from the nvidia site? |
| 00:04.50 | AoA | stew , but I dont know what to type in that file |
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| 00:05.05 | stew | seven_six_two: you don't need the drivers from nvidia unless you need 3d accelleration |
| 00:05.13 | stew | AoA: man apt.conf, search for mount |
| 00:05.19 | seven_six_two | I do need it. I have UT2004 |
| 00:05.30 | stew | seven_six_two: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 00:05.48 | AoA | stew , is it enought to add just for mount in that apt.conf ? |
| 00:05.52 | NeedVaseline | stew: hehe, It panic'ed |
| 00:05.58 | stew | AoA: yes |
| 00:06.28 | quitte | stew apt-cdrom might help |
| 00:06.55 | stew | NeedVaseline: i'd guess you probably have a hardware problem: bad ram bad motherboard or something is overheating |
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| 00:08.00 | NeedVaseline | stew: Memory isn't I ran about 30 memtest |
| 00:08.03 | stew | quitte: i dunno, if it would help, tell AoA |
| 00:08.24 | stew | NeedVaseline: you got a kernel panic when running vmstat? |
| 00:08.27 | jberg | ive install mod-lisp with aptitude install libapache-mod-lisp, but where do i find documentation on how to set it up? |
| 00:08.40 | seven_six_two | stew: cool. is m-a the command for the assistant? or just a short form? |
| 00:09.16 | stew | seven_six_two: yes |
| 00:09.39 | stew | jberg: it should be in /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-lisp |
| 00:09.45 | seven_six_two | alrighty. I'll give it a shot after I install lynx for when X won't restart ;) |
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| 00:10.02 | jberg | stew, ah thanks |
| 00:10.06 | stew | seven_six_two: links2 and w3m are much nicer than lynx |
| 00:10.24 | seven_six_two | which of those is the best in YHO? |
| 00:10.31 | stew | w3m-img |
| 00:10.38 | seven_six_two | cool. thnx |
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| 00:12.41 | stumbles | hi, my gnome help browser comes up blank - can someone tell me the name of the help package i need? |
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| 00:13.27 | jberg | does anyone know if libapache-mod-lisp works with apache2? there is no libapache-mod-lisp2 |
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| 00:14.22 | stew | jberg: if there was an apache2 pacakge it would be libapache2-mod-lisp ; the apache1 version will not work with apache2 |
| 00:14.22 | gdog | What can I do if my debian package management system is critically broken (like deleted database files and such)? Do I need to reinstall the whole system? |
| 00:14.33 | stew | gdog: what specifically? |
| 00:14.40 | gdog | stew: file "status" is missing |
| 00:14.41 | farphadet | hello all, sorry for my bad english |
| 00:14.49 | farphadet | i have a question |
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| 00:15.06 | gdog | stew: "/var/lib/dpkg/status" missing |
| 00:15.14 | stew | gdog: /msg dpkg status recovery |
| 00:15.30 | gdog | stew: I did a reiserfsfsck and did a rebuild of my tree and it broke my package management system. |
| 00:16.08 | gdog | stew: no reply |
| 00:16.10 | stew | gdog: its because of reports like that that many people don't trust reiser |
| 00:16.17 | stew | !tell gdog about status recovery |
| 00:16.25 | farphadet | why in pure-ftpd's init.d's script, i find reference to pure-ftpd-wrapper but package pure-ftpd-wrapper doesn't exist |
| 00:16.25 | stew | !status-recovery |
| 00:16.25 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 00:16.27 | farphadet | ? |
| 00:16.28 | stumbles | farphadet: just ask |
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| 00:16.46 | moret | hi! |
| 00:16.58 | stew | farphadet: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper should exist |
| 00:17.11 | moret | I have two PCs and I want to share my apt archives of pc1 with pc2 |
| 00:17.14 | gdog | stew: hooray! My apt-get segfaults now :) |
| 00:17.28 | moret | I try with apt-proxy but it is slow............... |
| 00:17.29 | bdhenderson | a |
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| 00:17.46 | stew | gdog: if you got filesystem curruption the chances of it being limited to the dpkg status file are probably slim |
| 00:17.46 | farphadet | stew no |
| 00:17.53 | gdog | stew: looks like I'm gonna need to do a full re-install, besides, this 64-bit stuff is uncool for my development purposes, and the 64-bit branch of debian is so out of date that it's not worth it anymore -- so I think I'll just reinstall. |
| 00:17.57 | stew | !find bin/pure-ftpd-wrapper |
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| 00:18.06 | Sela_ | hello, thanks for your great OS |
| 00:18.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pure-ftpd-wrapper' (1): (/usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper) in net/pure-ftpd-common. |
| 00:18.22 | stew | gdog: amd64? you can run 32bit stuff in a chroot |
| 00:18.29 | stew | farphadet: ^^^ what dpkg just said |
| 00:19.10 | gdog | stew: which filesystem would you recommend? |
| 00:19.12 | farphadet | nothing |
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| 00:19.35 | stew | gdog: ext3 |
| 00:19.36 | farphadet | apt-get install pure-ftpd-common |
| 00:19.41 | gdog | stew: Well, I'd say it's mostly just the fact that 64-bit debian is limited to stable and it almost never gets updated.. so I can't run the fun new software. |
| 00:19.43 | [^Zapata^] | hi |
| 00:20.11 | farphadet | stew how do? |
| 00:20.12 | stew | gdog: stable never gets updated, that's the point of stable, 64-bit debian is certainly not limited to stable |
| 00:20.14 | [^Zapata^] | do anybody know GLEST ? |
| 00:20.30 | beoba | SUPERSONIC |
| 00:20.42 | gdog | stew: err, I mean, people told me not to bother with 64-bit testing or unstable because not very much stuff had been ported. |
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| 00:21.13 | stew | farphadet: "apt-get install pure-ftpd" shoud |
| 00:21.20 | ribnitz | gdog: I think there are autobuilders? |
| 00:21.23 | farphadet | yesi have make this |
| 00:21.37 | stew | gdog: there is very little that hasn't been ported |
| 00:21.55 | gdog | stew: are you running it? |
| 00:22.27 | jberg | stew, so i need to build mod-lisp2 from the source then? |
| 00:22.29 | stew | gdog: i run 64 stable with chroots running 32-bit stable 64-bit testing and 64-bit breezy ubuntu |
| 00:22.30 | Sela_ | why do i get an error when i want to install libtools ? |
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| 00:22.57 | ribnitz | Sela_: what error?- any useful message? |
| 00:22.59 | stew | Sela_: what error are you getting |
| 00:23.07 | stew | jberg: i'm not sure, but it sounds like it |
| 00:23.07 | ribnitz | !doesn't work |
| 00:23.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 00:23.33 | Sela_ | files list file for package 'kanjidic' is missing final newline |
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| 00:23.43 | Sela_ | i googled for it .. no resulst |
| 00:24.27 | ribnitz | stew: on EM64T? |
| 00:24.30 | stew | Sela_: echo >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/kanjidic.list |
| 00:24.35 | stew | ribnitz: no amd64 |
| 00:24.57 | ribnitz | stew: those opterons any good? |
| 00:25.06 | hagen | !mandriva |
| 00:25.06 | dpkg | [mandriva] the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and Conectiva Linux companies. or a stupid name |
| 00:25.08 | seven_six_two | now i need a console irc client. is bitchx console? |
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| 00:25.29 | ribnitz | seven_six_two: i use irssi |
| 00:25.54 | stew | ribnitz: i got one last weekend to replace a server that was acting dodgy, dunno, it works. for some stuff it seems extremely fast and for other stuff it seems no faster |
| 00:26.10 | stew | seven_six_two: i think everyone in their right minds uses irssi-text |
| 00:26.27 | seven_six_two | ribnitz, that one looks good too. Lol. I'm not in my right mind |
| 00:26.29 | Sela_ | stew i love u big thanks |
| 00:26.34 | ribnitz | stew: I am perhaps able to replace another server.. |
| 00:26.36 | moret | please with apt-cacher |
| 00:26.40 | moret | help |
| 00:27.09 | ribnitz | stew: Thats a 4 cpu sparc box (SPARC III, 450 MHz) |
| 00:27.10 | moret | my download speed is the same that in the internet connection! |
| 00:27.10 | stew | Sela_: your welcome, what version of debian are you running, that was an odd thing to have gone wrong |
| 00:27.11 | farphadet | stew no idea? |
| 00:27.31 | stew | farphadet: what happens when you try to install pure-ftpd? |
| 00:27.41 | stew | farphadet: and what version of debian are you on? |
| 00:27.45 | farphadet | it's install this |
| 00:27.50 | farphadet | debian sarge |
| 00:28.22 | Sela_ | i run 3.1 stable ... i have just installed it ... but i wasn't able to add or remove packages because of this error |
| 00:28.22 | litage | why does converting from wav to mp3 with lame take such a long time? |
| 00:28.26 | ribnitz | moret: apt-proxy keeps dowlaoded packages, apt-cache is simply a way to search those.. |
| 00:28.38 | moret | apt-cache no, apt-cacher |
| 00:28.48 | stew | farphadet: try apt-get install --reinstall pure-ftpd-common |
| 00:28.53 | moret | but, apt-cacher is like apt-proxy |
| 00:29.02 | moret | ribnitz: do you meet apt-proxy? |
| 00:29.07 | ribnitz | litage: its all complex calculations. |
| 00:29.31 | ribnitz | moret: I uase it, though its poinltess if there's just one box. |
| 00:29.41 | moret | aamm |
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| 00:30.00 | farphadet | yes stew is goog |
| 00:30.04 | farphadet | thx |
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| 00:30.38 | stumbles | can items be added to the keyboard shortcuts Gnome dialog using gconf, or editing particular files? |
| 00:30.53 | mike-e | why is debian so out of date |
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| 00:31.18 | ribnitz | mike-e: its "stable". |
| 00:31.19 | mfrisch | it is/ |
| 00:31.29 | stew | mike-e: it chooses not to upgrade packages in the stable distribution for stabilities sake |
| 00:31.47 | mike-e | o |
| 00:31.49 | ribnitz | mike-e: that implies not upgrading to the next version two days after its released. |
| 00:32.25 | ribnitz | mike-e: other (less stable) branches are more current though. |
| 00:32.28 | stew | mike-e: it provides a "testing" distribution for people willing to trade stability for more up-to-date pacakges, and "unstable" for developers who need the latest. |
| 00:32.36 | litage | ribnitz: my box is a p4 1.8ghz with 512mb ram, and after 10 minutes, lame's only halfway through encoding the first track =/ |
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| 00:32.52 | mike-e | o |
| 00:32.53 | mike-e | ok |
| 00:33.23 | Smegma | when I have installed debian from netinstall cd, I canīt reboot it just says LI , what could be the problem? |
| 00:33.24 | stew | mike-e: http://debian.org/releases |
| 00:33.27 | stew | !li |
| 00:33.27 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 00:33.29 | fathead | ok. irssi-text looks interesting. I'll have to read the manual like it suggested |
| 00:33.34 | nuskool | anyone know if PCMCIA services needs the discover package? |
| 00:33.54 | mfrisch | no |
| 00:34.10 | stew | nuskool: nothing needs the discover package. you may want hotplug however |
| 00:34.13 | ribnitz | litage: On my box (P4, 3.2 Ghz, 1 Gb ram), encoding to ogg takes like 3-4 minutes per audio track, of like 3-4 minutes.. |
| 00:34.37 | mfrisch | ribnitz use flac.. |
| 00:34.55 | nuskool | stew: if I removed hotplug could that possibly cause my kernel to hang when it was running the pcmcia init script? |
| 00:35.00 | litage | ribnitz: is converting from wav to ogg "more complex" than from wav to mp3? |
| 00:35.06 | ribnitz | mfrisch: Thats different, un-lossy. |
| 00:35.06 | fathead | 1 |
| 00:35.27 | stew | nuskool: no that coudn't be the cause |
| 00:35.28 | ribnitz | litage: ogg is like mp3 with a variable bitrate, as to complexity. |
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| 00:35.48 | nuskool | stew: any idea what might be the cause of that? |
| 00:35.56 | mfrisch | ribnitz you understand how to make a aiff a flac? i cannot get it to encode. |
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| 00:36.02 | stew | nuskool: not off the top of my head |
| 00:36.11 | nuskool | stew: I removed a couple packages last night and this morning my kernel started to hang when it started pcmcia |
| 00:36.12 | stew | nuskool: do you have a different kernel you could try? |
| 00:36.24 | nuskool | moved the init script somewhere else and it booted fine |
| 00:36.29 | nuskool | so I know it's that |
| 00:36.29 | ribnitz | mfrisch: personally, I usually only encode wav -> ogg, or wav-> mp3.. |
| 00:36.38 | nuskool | not at the moment |
| 00:36.39 | stew | nuskool: what version of debian? |
| 00:36.40 | mfrisch | oh well |
| 00:36.53 | nuskool | testing |
| 00:37.07 | stew | nuskool: did you remove hotplug or discover? i could be wrong |
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| 00:37.08 | Smegma | when I have installed debian from netinstall cd, I canīt reboot it just says LI , and when I run my rescue it says Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:00 |
| 00:37.27 | Laubzega | is cupsys in unstable broken? it complains about "Illegal port value for CUPS." |
| 00:37.29 | nuskool | stew: I know I got rid of discover, I'm not entirely sure about hotplug |
| 00:38.04 | nuskool | stew: yea, hotplug is gone too |
| 00:38.06 | stew | nuskool: try installing discover and see if the problem goes away? maybe discover was loading the correct pcmcia driver and now the wrong one is getting loaded for some reason? i dunno |
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| 00:38.11 | stew | nuskool: do you run udev? |
| 00:38.17 | mfrisch | Laubzega mine works |
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| 00:38.26 | litage | ribnitz: so in other words, on my machine, it's going to take 12+ hours to rip and encode to mp3 a dozen CDs...? |
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| 00:39.00 | nuskool | stew: yes |
| 00:39.12 | stew | nuskool: then that is why hotplug is gone |
| 00:39.20 | Laubzega | mfrisch: hmm. I've just upgraded and it won't configure. oh well. bed time. |
| 00:39.21 | stew | nuskool: hotplug and udev conflict in testing |
| 00:39.32 | nuskool | stew: ahh |
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| 00:39.54 | ribnitz | litage: what I say is: I experienced that transcoding 1 minute of music takes about one minute real time. |
| 00:39.58 | stew | nuskool: i'd recommend putting discover back in, if that fixes it, figure out which module it's loading for pcmcia and put that into /etc/modules |
| 00:40.06 | jberg | hmm. does anyone know if the apache version in debian stable has DSO? because the installation instruction on the mod_lisp homepage breaks when i do apxs -i -c mod_lisp2.c ? |
| 00:40.24 | stew | jberg: apache-dev iirc |
| 00:40.25 | nuskool | stew: ok, I'll try that |
| 00:40.36 | jberg | stew, yea i've installed that |
| 00:40.50 | jberg | it compiles and everything, but the compilation breaks |
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| 00:40.59 | litage | thanks ribnitz |
| 00:41.01 | slava | what package has the libc and kernel headers? |
| 00:41.06 | slava | in -stable |
| 00:41.16 | js_ | slava: kernel-headers-`uname -r` has the headers |
| 00:41.41 | stew | slava: libc is libc6 and libc6-dev, you probably want to just isntall build-essential |
| 00:42.00 | stew | jberg: be more specific that just "breaks" |
| 00:42.03 | slava | js_, stew: cheers |
| 00:42.05 | bucky | jberg, apache2-prefork-dev or apache2-threaded-dev |
| 00:42.52 | jberg | bucky, ok. is there any difference between them? |
| 00:43.17 | Smegma | "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:00" what does that mean? |
| 00:43.37 | jberg | stew, well it gives me this line "apxs:Break: Command failed with rc=1" or do you want me to post the whole compile log? |
| 00:43.39 | stew | Smegma: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
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| 00:44.09 | bucky | jberg, if you're running apache2 then you have a choice between apache2-mpm-prefork or apache2-mpm-threaded ...there are others but those are the only two that have apxs2 |
| 00:44.10 | MrNaz | whats the current debian? 3.1r0 ? |
| 00:44.42 | stew | MrNaz: 3.1r0a |
| 00:44.52 | stew | jberg: dunno, check the bts maybe? |
| 00:44.54 | MrNaz | ta |
| 00:44.57 | jberg | bucky oh ok.. why did you add mpm instead of -dev? |
| 00:45.05 | Sela_ | has any one of you made some experience with a dell docking station ? |
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| 00:46.22 | MrNaz | stew is there a non-us version of 3.1r0a ? this mirror only has 3.1r0 in the non-us dir |
| 00:46.34 | bucky | jberg, i didn't ... in debian if you want to build anything you have to install the dev files |
| 00:46.55 | eeyore- | Sela_: what are you asking about? (dell dock) |
| 00:47.01 | bbrazil | MrNaz: 3.1 (sarge) doesn't have non-us |
| 00:47.04 | stew | MrNaz: there is no more non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 00:47.14 | jberg | well i used aptitude apache2-prefork-dev and used apxs2 and now it seemed to work :) |
| 00:47.23 | UnWorldly | how often does a system-crippling problem appear in unstable, assuming one updates nearly weekly? |
| 00:47.36 | MrNaz | thanks for info guys |
| 00:47.39 | bucky | jberg, good.. then you must be running apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 00:47.40 | jberg | thanks |
| 00:47.48 | Sela_ | yes the dell doc |
| 00:47.50 | Sela_ | k |
| 00:47.56 | jberg | bucky, what do you mean? |
| 00:48.03 | eeyore- | UnWorldly: as long as you have one sacrificial-lamb system and don't update the critical ones before you live with the updates for a day or two you should *should* be fine :-) |
| 00:48.07 | bucky | jberg, dpkg -l apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 00:48.18 | froze | Just updated firefox in testing, now thunderbird opens weblinks in konq. Can't find anything on google or mozillazine on specifying what browser to use. Preferred web app in gnome is Firefox. Any ideas on where to go next so that thunderbird will use firefox? |
| 00:48.36 | beardy | !x-www-browser |
| 00:48.36 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser to be used in X (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' Also ask me about "www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
| 00:48.49 | eeyore- | UnWorldly: i.e., if there are severe screwups, they normally are rectified fairly quickly, in a few days |
| 00:49.16 | UnWorldly | ah |
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| 00:49.28 | jberg | bucky, im sorry. im pretty new to debian and apache and such, so i don't understand what you mean |
| 00:49.38 | Fony_Vaio | How can I change pointer speed / movement? I'm using sid xorg/gnome and my hardware is Sony Vaio PCG-K415B with AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint as /class/input/input3 |
| 00:49.55 | jberg | is there something else i need to do in order to use mod_lisp now? other than follow the instructions at http://www.fractalconcept.com/asp/rx9/sdataQImfMQWV-oUTDM==/asdataQuqh-N3qe0jUC1B= ? |
| 00:50.00 | eeyore- | UnWorldly: so if you update and wait to deploy, you *should* be OK :-) if you deploy immediately, well, you're more brave than i :-) |
| 00:50.02 | MrBallZ | is there an updated version of kernel 2.6.8-2 686 ....???? |
| 00:50.10 | cjaymes | I just googled this but I can't find it; I see /etc/networking/options is obsoleted, but what replaces it, etc? |
| 00:50.15 | froze | Thanks you beardy! that did it. |
| 00:50.15 | stew | Fony_Vaio: man xset |
| 00:50.28 | Fony_Vaio | stew: thanks |
| 00:50.30 | stew | cjaymes: sysctl, man sysctl.conf |
| 00:50.40 | cjaymes | stew, thanks |
| 00:50.43 | beardy | froze: You're welcome. |
| 00:51.03 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: gnome has its own mouse preferences. use that. |
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| 00:51.13 | froze | !kudos beardy |
| 00:51.15 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: adjust sensitivity and acceleration thresholds |
| 00:51.27 | Fony_Vaio | eeyore-: I know, but it doesn't have any effect on my pointer, for some odd reason. |
| 00:51.39 | cjaymes | I feel old :) |
| 00:51.44 | froze | Didn't dpkg use to have a rating system? |
| 00:51.46 | stew | MrBallZ: yes, refer to DSA 922-1 |
| 00:51.53 | froze | That is the irc bot |
| 00:51.56 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: it ought to. works fine on my dell's |
| 00:52.07 | cjaymes | how long as sysctl been around? |
| 00:52.16 | Fony_Vaio | eeyore-: Yes, but these Vaio's can be horrible, honestly. |
| 00:52.21 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: maybe you just haven't adjusted it enough to make a difference? |
| 00:52.43 | Fony_Vaio | eeyore-: I've put them to both extremes, tried rebooting, etc, the settings are saved, but no difference whatsoever. |
| 00:53.09 | Smegma | LI |
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| 00:53.11 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: ok, maybe try running the "synaptics" driver then (instead of "mouse") |
| 00:53.21 | froze | oop, gotta go. Gu'nite |
| 00:53.21 | stew | cjaymes: at least 5 or 6 years, maybe longer |
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| 00:54.56 | eeyore- | bbiaj |
| 00:55.06 | MrBallZ | stew: what does DSA 922-1 stands for ? |
| 00:55.31 | Fony_Vaio | eeyore-: can i use /class/input/input3 instead of /dev/psaux ? |
| 00:56.13 | stew | !dsa |
| 00:56.13 | dpkg | dsa is, like, Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/. Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 00:56.14 | Sela_ | where do i get the ati driver for 9600 mobile ? |
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| 00:57.43 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: /class? don't know what kind of mount /class is |
| 00:58.04 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: did you just make it up? |
| 00:58.18 | Tortel | umm, my camera wount unmount |
| 00:58.24 | Tortel | umount says that it is busy |
| 00:58.27 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: you mean /sys/class/ so on so forth? |
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| 00:58.28 | Tortel | but its off |
| 00:58.36 | Tortel | and unplugged |
| 00:58.45 | eeyore- | Fony_Vaio: that's just for information only. that's not a device special file you can open ... don't make this stuff up :-) |
| 00:59.03 | Fony_Vaio | eeyore-: oh ok |
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| 01:01.38 | eeyore- | hmm. this is odd. ntpd "failed to drop root privileges: Operation not permitted". didn't think you're disallowed from dropping root privileges ... |
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| 01:03.54 | eeyore- | hmm, ok. solved. had to load "capability" module first. |
| 01:04.36 | Tortel | is there a umount command that overrides errors? |
| 01:04.55 | stew | Tortel: what error are you getting? |
| 01:05.05 | Tortel | device is busy |
| 01:05.09 | eeyore- | Tortel: kill whatever process is using the device |
| 01:05.11 | Tortel | and dpkg's advice dont work |
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| 01:05.20 | Tortel | there isnt anything... |
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| 01:05.31 | eeyore- | Tortel: are you absolutely sure? |
| 01:05.46 | stew | Tortel: use "lsof | grep /path/to/mountpoint" |
| 01:05.47 | eeyore- | Tortel: ps axfuw | less, go through the list, verify |
| 01:06.02 | eeyore- | (in case you don't have 'lsof') |
| 01:08.04 | nuskool | are the settings for scroll speed and acceleration on the package website for the synaptics driver good settings? |
| 01:08.15 | Tortel | there is a usb-storage process, but it wont die using the gnome system moniter |
| 01:08.49 | Tortel | root 14420 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 19:55 0:00 [usb-storage] <=-What the command line shows... |
| 01:10.14 | eeyore- | Tortel: that's a kernel process, you can't kill it |
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| 01:12.11 | FromTO | can anyone explain this message and maybe some documentation about its resolution: eth1: unknown hardware address type 24 |
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| 01:12.21 | Tortel | oh great |
| 01:12.27 | Tortel | GNOME desktop died... |
| 01:12.47 | Tortel | at least it will umount the damn camera.... |
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| 01:14.16 | deadcat | i am doing a netinstall (= |
| 01:14.21 | deadcat | d-i devel hehe |
| 01:14.39 | abrotman | that's funny ? |
| 01:14.52 | eeyore- | bye guys |
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| 01:15.45 | deadcat | abrotman: yes. because it works |
| 01:16.15 | abrotman | right .. debian frequently distributes horribly broken stuff :) |
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| 01:17.05 | deadcat | its getting stuff. how can i check if its stable/testing or sid right now? |
| 01:17.07 | litage | is it safe to upgrade libc6 to 2.3.5-8.1 on sarge? |
| 01:17.15 | deadcat | 2.6.14-2 kernel though |
| 01:17.26 | deadcat | litage: ya. you wait for it |
| 01:17.34 | litage | deadcat: ? |
| 01:17.37 | silvinho | litage: i haven't had any issues |
| 01:17.55 | diagonalfish | deadcat: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:18.16 | abrotman | litage: that would be etch's libc |
| 01:18.21 | yam | woah.. its 2am and Ive got to go to the noc cause an ext3 fs stalled, sucks... |
| 01:18.23 | litage | abrotman: and sid's |
| 01:18.28 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
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| 01:18.38 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4903 kB, Installed size: 16708 kB |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | maybe 8.1 is sid's . not etch's |
| 01:18.55 | abrotman | ah .. not yet in etch |
| 01:19.05 | nuskool | anyone have synaptics set up on their box and can give me some settings for my xorg.conf to make the touchpad respond better than it is? (Right now it's painfully insensitive) |
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| 01:19.18 | litage | it goes testing => unstable => stable, right? |
| 01:19.22 | rednaxel | I would LOVE to have a command "ineed"... then use it: ineed some-filename (pause while it works out where it is)... then apt-get install some-weird-package-name-that-provides-my-file automagically |
| 01:19.43 | litage | rednaxel: ``locate'' |
| 01:19.50 | abrotman | litage: come on .. you should know better |
| 01:20.03 | abrotman | rednaxel: apt-file |
| 01:20.05 | litage | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 01:20.11 | abrotman | !tell rednaxel about search |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | litage: unstable -> testing -> stable .. http://debian.org/releases/ |
| 01:21.03 | litage | abrotman: i always get them confused =P |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | rednaxel: for example .. apt-file search bin/ls .. stuff like that |
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| 01:23.16 | litage | so, i shall rephrase my question then... |
| 01:23.18 | rednaxel | abrotman, I hate when I try to build something and it says: "ld cannot find -lsomelib"... where in the hell is this f* lib? it's a shame |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | rednaxel: ah .. that's a bit different .. |
| 01:23.39 | litage | is it "safe" to upgrade libc6, libc6-dev, and locales to etch's version (2.3.5-8) on sarge? |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | rednaxel: if you know the file it's searching for .. that's one thing ... |
| 01:23.59 | takatumi | nuskool: http://www.tctwest.net/~mlewis00/XF86Config-4.synaptics |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | rednaxel: -lsomelib .. usually implies something like libssl-dev or something |
| 01:24.32 | rednaxel | abrotman, that's frustrating... that should not happen, we're almost 2006, for Christ sake! |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | rednaxel: what are you compiling ? |
| 01:25.00 | rednaxel | abrotman, lazarus |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | which is ? |
| 01:25.32 | rednaxel | abrotman, a Delphi-like IDE for Free Pascal |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 01:25.43 | nuskool | takatumi: thank you |
| 01:25.49 | abrotman | rednaxel: did you try apt-get.org ? |
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| 01:25.57 | smacnay | I am trying to load the sym53c8xx module for my scsi card (it is the correct module) and a lot of messages are given in the log. However, my scanner (attached to said card) is not seen. |
| 01:26.06 | smacnay | sym53c8xx loads - kernel 2.6.14 - scsi card is: |
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| 01:26.09 | smacnay | 0000:01:08.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c810 (rev 12) |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | rednaxel: nm .. it's not there |
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| 01:26.36 | rednaxel | I'm building from CVS... it's so easy under that other o.s. |
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| 01:26.54 | smacnay | can data in a scsi device get stale - does the device need to be turned off and unplugged sometimes? |
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| 01:27.17 | abrotman | rednaxel: what libraries are you looking for ? |
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| 01:27.47 | rednaxel | the first error was -lglib... I've installed libglib2.0-devel but it still complains |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | complains why ?.. what's the error ? |
| 01:28.24 | rednaxel | that one: ld cannot find -lglib |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | perhaps it wants glib1.2 ? |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | seems silly .. but it could be possible |
| 01:28.59 | abrotman | or libglibmm |
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| 01:29.23 | abrotman | rednaxel: wait .. you're doing this to write pascal ? |
| 01:29.31 | rednaxel | abrotman, yep |
| 01:29.53 | abrotman | but .. pascal ? |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:30.30 | abrotman | rednaxel: what might be nice on thier site .. a howto for building :) |
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| 01:32.02 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:32.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:32.55 | Stereo | hello folks |
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| 01:33.07 | SimonRaven | hi Stereo |
| 01:33.27 | abrotman | heheh |
| 01:33.35 | SimonRaven | doh! |
| 01:33.41 | abrotman | that's not a very smart man |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | or person |
| 01:34.06 | Stereo | I was wondering what the debian way of using third-party patches on the kernel source tree was. Newbiedoc.sf.net only says that <quote>If you have other kernel patches they should go somewhere else.</quote>. |
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| 01:35.06 | bbrazil | Stereo: I believe make-kpkg has support for adding in random patches |
| 01:35.34 | SimonRaven | yeh.they get read and applied from /usr/src/kernel-patches |
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| 01:36.53 | Stereo | yeah, with --added_patches |
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| 01:37.17 | Stereo | are you two saying I should just put them with the debian patches? |
| 01:37.40 | rednaxel | abrotman, it was glib1.2 it needed... now it worked. thanks a lot! |
| 01:37.50 | abrotman | Stereo: why not apply them after compiling the kernel ? |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | rednaxel: everything ok now ? |
| 01:38.03 | Stereo | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#PATCHES-KERNEL-PKG disagrees |
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| 01:38.14 | moi | hey, got a raid sys here. booting knoppix livecd automounts it to hdc & hde. when chrooting it changes to hda. what options should i tell grub to use? grub-install /dev/hda with /dev/hdc parameters in menu.lst? |
| 01:38.18 | Stereo | abrotman: patches, after compiling? That's a new concept :) |
| 01:38.27 | rednaxel | abrotman, up and running |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | Stereo: oh yeah .. binary patches .. the new 'cool' of compiling kernels |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | rednaxel: yay! |
| 01:38.55 | Stereo | oh |
| 01:38.59 | Smegma | im going to install grub in mbr, how can i specify that in the installation? "grub-install /dev/hdXX" |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | Stereo: i'm joking |
| 01:39.07 | Stereo | never seen one of those. Not sure I'd trust it. |
| 01:39.10 | Stereo | ah |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | Smegma: /dev/hdX |
| 01:39.15 | Stereo | sorry, 2 am here :) |
| 01:39.28 | Stereo | where was I? |
| 01:39.44 | Stereo | yes, what you guys say disagrees with the documentation, and the documentation is vague |
| 01:39.46 | Smegma | abrotman:is hdx = mbr ? |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | Smegma: afaik .. that's what i use .. /dev/hda for me |
| 01:40.27 | rednaxel | abrotman, lazarus can build itself from the IDE... it's a nice thing |
| 01:40.45 | Smegma | yes, but does it put grub in mbr on hda ? |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | rednaxel: that's creepy :) |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | Smegma: it should |
| 01:40.58 | rednaxel | abrotman, hehehe |
| 01:41.15 | Smegma | ok..thnx |
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| 01:41.29 | abrotman | rednaxel: does this mean you're going to fix Exodus ? |
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| 01:41.55 | Smegma | abrotman:should i put it in /dev/hda2 or just /dev/hda ? |
| 01:41.58 | rednaxel | abrotman, hehehe |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | rednaxel: i'm not joking |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | Smegma: i've always used /dev/hda |
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| 01:42.22 | abrotman | Smegma: does it complain ? |
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| 01:42.47 | rednaxel | abrotman, what's Exodus? |
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| 01:43.13 | abrotman | rednaxel: http://exodus.jabberstudio.org/ |
| 01:43.21 | abrotman | rednaxel: win32 jabber client |
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| 01:43.37 | Smegma | abrotman: its probing devices to guess bios drivers |
| 01:43.45 | KerPlunk | If I have an external hdd with ext3 filesystem...is there a way I can have a windows computer read it? ... I have all my movies on an external hdd with ext3 from my linux laptop...but windows can't do shit with it. |
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| 01:44.05 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 01:44.05 | dpkg | i heard explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
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| 01:44.12 | abrotman | KernelPanique: dunno if it does ext3 |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
| 01:44.22 | dpkg | methinks ext2ifs is a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 01:44.35 | abrotman | KerPlunk: all at your own risk of course .. your data could go byebye |
| 01:46.43 | abrotman | rednaxel: it is in pascal isn't it ? |
| 01:46.53 | Smegma | abrotman: it says end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 |
| 01:47.04 | rvsjoen | I can confirm explore2fs read ext3 |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | ack .. your floppy drive is going to eject it! |
| 01:47.21 | SimonRaven | Smegma: fucked floppy. try another one |
| 01:47.25 | abrotman | rvsjoen: but as ext3 or ext2 ? |
| 01:47.28 | Smegma | i dont have a floppy? |
| 01:47.29 | abrotman | SimonRaven: or no floppy |
| 01:47.51 | SimonRaven | or yeh, no floppy |
| 01:47.58 | rvsjoen | that's another question.. does it matter ? |
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| 01:48.12 | KerPlunk | abrotman: My data can go bye bye if I'm only reading? |
| 01:48.14 | Smegma | must i have one |
| 01:48.15 | KerPlunk | I don't want to write...only ready. |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | rvsjoen: dunno .. not sure if the journal is that important :) |
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| 01:48.34 | abrotman | KerPlunk: hey .. stranger things have happened i'm sure .. you're dealing with windows |
| 01:48.37 | rednaxel | abrotman, i do not know |
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| 01:49.07 | rvsjoen | hm |
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| 01:49.14 | abrotman | rednaxel: you didn't even look ? |
| 01:49.53 | moi | hey, anyone in here with raid experience? |
| 01:49.55 | Smegma | abrotman: I want to install it in mbr must i have a floppy? |
| 01:50.06 | abrotman | no |
| 01:50.10 | dvs | nope |
| 01:50.10 | abrotman | moi: many people |
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| 01:50.30 | Smegma | :) yeah |
| 01:50.31 | rednaxel | abrotman, looked, but that page does not say in what it is written for |
| 01:50.39 | petemc | i raided the fridge last night |
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| 01:50.51 | abrotman | petemc: potatoes again? |
| 01:50.53 | KerPlunk | !anyone |
| 01:50.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 01:50.59 | moi | ok, i've just installed debian on my machine. now it hangs saying: GRUB. any ideas? |
| 01:51.11 | moi | using a megaraid hardware with 2 disks |
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| 01:51.18 | abrotman | rednaxel: http://www.jabberstudio.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/exodus/trunk/exodus/ |
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| 01:51.29 | petemc | moi: dell? |
| 01:51.35 | noddaba | I'm trying to set up a linear RAID array. I've created the array just fine, set the filesystem type to RAID autodetect, but the linear array doesn't automatically start on boot. If I do a RAID0, it starts on boot just fine. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 01:51.42 | moi | petemc, toshiba magina z300 |
| 01:51.49 | petemc | oh right |
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| 01:52.03 | moi | it is a ide megaraid |
| 01:52.23 | petemc | i wasnt even aware such a thing existed |
| 01:52.29 | petemc | so, not much help |
| 01:52.35 | rednaxel | abrotman, that's Delphi |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | petemc: nor did you even want to know :) |
| 01:52.41 | rednaxel | not Lazarus |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | rednaxel: isn't delpha pascal ? |
| 01:52.44 | petemc | :) |
| 01:52.53 | moi | petemc, a ide hardware raid? |
| 01:52.53 | rednaxel | abrotman, yes |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | rednaxel: fix it! |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:53.20 | petemc | moi: megaraid, as in the kernel driver named so? |
| 01:53.37 | rednaxel | abrotman, it's a Jabber client, right? why not use Gaim on Windows? |
| 01:53.44 | moi | petemc, sorry don't understand you?! |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | rednaxel: i like some of the features that exodus has .. and gaim doesn't have |
| 01:54.10 | rednaxel | abrotman, like what? I do not know Exodus |
| 01:54.11 | petemc | moi: seems we're talking at crossed purposes, nevermind! |
| 01:54.42 | moi | petemc, i think the problem is not the raid to this point, because it already hangs displaying: GRUB |
| 01:54.47 | abrotman | rednaxel: i like non-intrusive notifications .. exodus goes to the systray .. and just flashes that icon if there's a message .. last i tried gaim .. big stupid pop up |
| 01:55.08 | abrotman | rednaxel: and tabbed interface .. which i dont' remember if gaim has now or not |
| 01:55.09 | rednaxel | Gaim can go to systray too |
| 01:55.21 | abrotman | rednaxel: yes .. but the notifications are big damn popups .. last i tried anyways |
| 01:55.24 | rednaxel | Gaim has tabbed interface too |
| 01:55.50 | rednaxel | try the latest Gaim for Windows |
| 01:56.02 | abrotman | can't now! .. i'm using a usable OS :) |
| 01:57.08 | rednaxel | abrotman, good! |
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| 02:00.27 | satHan | hey everybody, my cups server is no longer starting, with an exit "status 98" |
| 02:00.45 | satHan | I looked online and redhat reports it as another process taking port 631. I don't think thats the problem here, any suggestions? |
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| 02:01.01 | Azar | hello honorables, I just changed my user name from frog to sheep in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, but I have no idea how to change my /home/frog to /home/sheep I need help.. |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | satHan: fuser and lsof might help .. and if you send me lobster .. i'll help more! |
| 02:01.50 | Azar | abrotman, can you please help? |
| 02:01.51 | kyncani | Azar: well, change /home/frog to /home/sheep in /etc/passwd and rename the dir /home/frog ? |
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| 02:02.03 | MattwestM | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.10 | MattwestM | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.11 | abrotman | Azar: man chown |
| 02:02.12 | Azar | thanks kyncani :) |
| 02:02.15 | abrotman | MattwestM: ? |
| 02:02.26 | MattwestM | wow, trillian sucks |
| 02:02.33 | fbi | !pal MattwestM |
| 02:02.49 | rvsjoen | hmm... I get a few messages claiming unsafe ownership on ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf is there any reason why the user should not be allowed to own this file ? |
| 02:02.59 | kyncani | Azar: although i think some apps register some paths in their personnal (user-level) data files, like mozilla for example. |
| 02:03.01 | moi | ... which software would you recommend to read mailinglists |
| 02:03.04 | MattwestM | yeah, trillian just randomly did that |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | rvsjoen: what are the full perms ? |
| 02:03.16 | rvsjoen | -rw------- |
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| 02:03.25 | abrotman | and user/group ? |
| 02:03.31 | kyncani | Azar: so you might want to create a symlink from /home/sheep to frog to minimize problems. |
| 02:03.42 | rvsjoen | myuser:users |
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| 02:03.51 | Azar | I already have problems |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | maybe the dir is writable ? |
| 02:03.55 | rvsjoen | hm |
| 02:04.00 | rvsjoen | letme check |
| 02:04.01 | Azar | my files won't play now |
| 02:04.18 | rvsjoen | nope, dir is 700 |
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| 02:04.33 | abrotman | guess i'm not getting any lobster |
| 02:04.53 | rvsjoen | the home folder is r-x but users group though |
| 02:04.56 | SimonRaven | not today :/ |
| 02:05.16 | abrotman | rvsjoen: seems fine to me .. i don't know why it's whining |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | though .. i stopped using GPG a long time ago |
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| 02:05.48 | kyncani | Azar: yes, if you "find $HOME -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep /home/frog", you will see (almost) all the personnal data files where you need to change the /home path |
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| 02:06.11 | Azar | how I remove a user |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | shouldn't they all use $HOME ? |
| 02:06.14 | rvsjoen | just needed to make a key pair for a local repository.. gpg.conf is user-relative right ? |
| 02:06.36 | Azar | kyncani, ah |
| 02:07.06 | kyncani | abrotman: well, some of them (like mozilla), store full-qualified paths in their conf files ... |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | kyncani: evil bastards .. should be shot |
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| 02:07.24 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 02:07.25 | kyncani | abrotman: yeah ;) |
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| 02:08.10 | kyncani | abrotman: but when you think of it, all file selectors that i know of select qull-qualified files .. |
| 02:08.19 | kyncani | s/qu/fu/ |
| 02:08.21 | paolob | Hi guys! I have a debian server with 4GB ram. The bios sees all the ram, while linux I have only 2.9 GB. What is this? Anyone could help me to understand why? thank you! |
| 02:08.45 | fbi | paolob: gimme a shell. |
| 02:08.58 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 02:09.15 | abrotman | kyncani: so use substitution ? |
| 02:09.43 | paolob | fbi: it isn't the server I'm using now. How could I verify? |
| 02:09.49 | Azar | folders under previously user "frog" now wont play under "sheep" |
| 02:09.53 | kyncani | abrotman: well, yes, and if it does not work ... remove the ~/.offendingApp/ dir ... |
| 02:09.57 | sussudio | !folder |
| 02:09.57 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 02:10.04 | fbi | how can i get mpg321 to play all files in a directory, including files in subdirectories, recursively |
| 02:10.08 | seeeS | anyone tell my why my usbkeyboard i no longer found? |
| 02:10.10 | SimonRaven | paolob: enable large mem in the kernel config |
| 02:10.28 | vulture | fbi: could just use find + xargs.. |
| 02:10.39 | paolob | SimonRaven: it's edubuntu. Is it possible that it hasn't large mem configured? |
| 02:10.40 | fbi | aha. |
| 02:11.11 | SimonRaven | paolob: well, it doesn't see it all, so obviously that's the case... for that kernel |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | paolob: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:11.28 | SimonRaven | and yes #ubuntu > |
| 02:11.30 | vulture | fbi: if you want to do it regularly you could make a playlist (just pipe the result of find to a file, then use the appropriate args for mpg321 to use a playlist) |
| 02:12.01 | kyncani | Has anyone come back from ubuntu to debian ? (like me) |
| 02:12.08 | abrotman | probably |
| 02:12.12 | Azar | sheep@startrek:/home/sheep $ cd -bash: cd: /home/frog: No such file or directory!! help!!! |
| 02:12.21 | SimonRaven | several that have mentioned it here |
| 02:12.30 | SimonRaven | i'm sure there's more |
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| 02:12.41 | Azar | how I remove a user? |
| 02:12.55 | fbi | Azar: man deluser |
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| 02:13.22 | SimonRaven | deluser >> adduser |
| 02:13.26 | kyncani | Azar: you have to logout/login of course |
| 02:13.26 | fbi | mpg321 inside mc inside screen is the best audio player evarrr. |
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| 02:14.02 | davn | anyone wanna help me diagnose a problem with apt-get update returning crc errors from numerous apt sources? |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | davn: just ask |
| 02:14.21 | SimonRaven | mocp is pretty nice |
| 02:14.28 | SimonRaven | looks a lot like mc too ;) |
| 02:14.54 | davn | Hit ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Release |
| 02:14.54 | davn | 99% [3 Sources gzip 2191360] 584kB/s 0s |
| 02:14.57 | davn | gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error |
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| 02:15.18 | Stereo | davn: you've tried a different mirror? |
| 02:15.22 | davn | yep |
| 02:15.23 | kyncani | davn: wait and apt-get update later |
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| 02:15.34 | davn | ftp.debian.org, ftp.us.debian.org, and others |
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| 02:15.43 | vulture | could someone advise me on how to recover a system with a broken LVM2 ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341452 )? |
| 02:15.47 | davn | kyncani: it's been happening for more than 2 weeks |
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| 02:16.23 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to set up a linux box as a server behind a router. when the router is configured normally, the linux box can get an IP from DHCP. if i enable DMZ for the server, the linux box can't get an IP via DHCP. any suggestions to debug this? |
| 02:16.35 | kyncani | davn: well, that's not it then :] |
| 02:16.37 | SerajewelKS | the server seems to ignore the dhcp offers from the router |
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| 02:16.48 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: firewall ? |
| 02:16.50 | Stereo | SerajewelKS: don't dmz it :) |
| 02:17.03 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: afaik, dmz effectively turns that *off* |
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| 02:17.10 | SerajewelKS | Stereo: and why is that? |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's your firewall :) |
| 02:17.22 | davn | can i get a sample of what you guys use for apt sources? |
| 02:17.24 | Stereo | because dmz will send everything on your wan interface, I suppose |
| 02:17.36 | Stereo | davn: just a sec |
| 02:17.43 | SerajewelKS | Stereo: stop talking about things you don't know about |
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| 02:17.49 | davn | apt-get update is segfaulting now, with slightly different sources |
| 02:18.03 | Stereo | davn: deb http://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 02:18.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: all i'm changing is the status of DMZ. when it's off, everything works. |
| 02:18.22 | Stereo | SerajewelKS: help yourself then |
| 02:18.29 | kyncani | davn: among other, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 02:18.32 | vulture | LVM2, anyone? |
| 02:18.33 | fbi | SimonRaven: mocp is a curses filebrowser? i'm not finding it in sarge's packages |
| 02:18.40 | cire | I installed bogofilter, configured the /etc/bogofilter.cf and created filters in kmail with kmail-spam-assistant. Running "find ~/Mail/spam_sure/ -type f | bogofilter -vvv -s -b" just returns "cannot stat ~/.bogfilter: No such file or directory", but it DOES exist, with rights set to "733". What am I doing wrong? |
| 02:18.48 | SerajewelKS | Stereo: you can try to help me, just don't spread lies about DMZ being insecure when you don't know the setup on this end |
| 02:19.16 | sfasdf | hm is the yaird/kernel issue fixed in unstable yet? |
| 02:19.22 | Stereo | I never said it was insecure. You're making stuff up and being rude, mate. |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you see the request on the dhcp server ? |
| 02:19.32 | davn | kyncani: see.. my system just gets crc errors on files from that too |
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| 02:19.43 | abrotman | sfasdf: see the topic |
| 02:19.50 | Stereo | he started it! :) |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | !ice cream Stereo |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:20.21 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes, i can see the debian box seeing the server response. it's just ignoring it or something. |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | or something ? .. no error message in the logs ? |
| 02:20.34 | SerajewelKS | Stereo: sorry, just really pissed at this thing right now, and "don't use dmz" isn't exactly helpful |
| 02:20.51 | abrotman | karsten: you want banned agin .. what kind of questions is that?! |
| 02:20.54 | Stereo | s'ok |
| 02:21.01 | karsten | Eg: sed -i -e 's/foo/bar/' file. If 'file' is a symlink to 'realfile', it's replaced by a real file. |
| 02:21.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: this dhcp server doesn't keep logs apparently |
| 02:21.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i can pastebin the dhclient output |
| 02:21.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what kind of dhcp server is this ? |
| 02:21.24 | karsten | abrotman: Well, I was thinking of opsing that question... ;-) |
| 02:21.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:21.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: some 2WIRE usb/eth/wlan router |
| 02:21.35 | abrotman | gah . lag! |
| 02:21.40 | abrotman | wtf is 2wire ? |
| 02:21.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: a company |
| 02:21.48 | karsten | abrotman: One more than 1wire. |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | no shit |
| 02:21.53 | karsten | abrotman: ...and one less than 3wire. |
| 02:22.03 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: apparently they make the software for sbc dsl modems |
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| 02:22.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and it has no logging ? |
| 02:22.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not that i can find |
| 02:22.55 | abrotman | and the log on the client says ? |
| 02:23.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: working on pastebinning that |
| 02:24.02 | seeeS | ok, i worked out usbhid does not load |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | seeeS: and if you load it ? |
| 02:25.17 | abrotman | karsten: careful .. you almost ops'ed |
| 02:25.30 | Azar | help any user I want now to add to audio group gives me the old "frog" error: unknown user "frog" adduser: /usr/bin/gpaswd -M frog, sheep audio returned error code 1 Aborting. |
| 02:25.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/33846 |
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| 02:26.03 | seeeS | abrotman: it works fine |
| 02:26.11 | seeeS | eg keyboard and mouse work |
| 02:26.35 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hrm.. how does a DHCPNAK differ from a DHCPACK |
| 02:26.50 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: wtf is a NAK ? |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | seeeS: so it was just no module loading ? |
| 02:27.12 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's what i'm asking... =) |
| 02:27.26 | vulture | SerajewelKS: Sounds like a Negative ACKnowledgement. ie: not going to issue a DHCP lease |
| 02:27.26 | abrotman | !nak |
| 02:27.40 | seeeS | abrotman: yes, but our other pcs just work and load the thing up anyway |
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| 02:27.50 | KerPlunk | What should I use to setup a dns server? |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | seeeS: can i blame udev ? |
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| 02:27.53 | vulture | SerajewelKS: Does your router allow static IP assignment via DHCP? (I'm only making a vague guess here) |
| 02:27.57 | abrotman | KerPlunk: bind9 |
| 02:28.00 | SerajewelKS | vulture: not that i can tell |
| 02:28.02 | KerPlunk | thanks abrotman |
| 02:28.18 | SerajewelKS | vulture: when i turn on DMZ, the server's IP on the router web interfaces changes to our external IP |
| 02:28.24 | SerajewelKS | vulture: so should i statically assign it that? =/ |
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| 02:28.54 | davn | ok so i have 6 machines, 4 2.8ghz celerons where apt-get update works fine. 2 2.8ghz xeon boxes where apt-get update fails |
| 02:28.56 | vulture | "the server's IP on the router web interface changes to our external IP" - not sure what you're seeing there. |
| 02:28.59 | vulture | But yes. |
| 02:29.04 | davn | surely xeons have good linux support? |
| 02:29.13 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: ^^^ |
| 02:29.16 | vulture | If there's no way to do a static DHCP assignment then you should do a true static assignment on the DMZd box I'd expect |
| 02:29.46 | abrotman | davn: it's all 686 code :) |
| 02:29.49 | vulture | scarynetworkguy: the DHCPNAK seems to be enough to indicate what's going on on the network |
| 02:29.52 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy: thank you for being constructive. fuck off. |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | err 386 .. bah . whatever |
| 02:29.59 | scarynetworkguy | vulture: I know what it is. |
| 02:29.59 | seeeS | abrotman: i blame udev |
| 02:30.00 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that was contructive :) |
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| 02:30.10 | KerPlunk | davn: Type "apt-setup" on the boxes that fail.(as root) |
| 02:30.13 | vulture | scarynetworkguy: I didn't say you didn't.. |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | seeeS: i trust you know where to find the maintainer :) |
| 02:30.24 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: If you read what I said I just told you step by step how to solve your problem. |
| 02:30.33 | seeeS | heh, hell just ignore me about it :) |
| 02:30.44 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy: no, you told me how to diagnose it. which we already did. |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | seeeS: that's a damn big club .. but the benefits still suck |
| 02:31.08 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: No you haven't... But you think you have and won't listen to me. Your loss. |
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| 02:31.54 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy: yes we did. see the pastebin. |
| 02:32.02 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you act like some kind of network genius :) |
| 02:32.11 | vulture | scarynetworkguy: What exactly do you expect tcpdump would show beyond the DHCPNAK we seem to have already observed? |
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| 02:32.15 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: You are the one telling abrotman that you don't know what a dhcpnak means. :P |
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| 02:32.22 | roler | I really like yarssr in gnome to display rss feeds on the panel but I don't like having to run the notification area to be able to see it. is there another way of running this program, or another program entirely? |
| 02:32.23 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy: i found it with google |
| 02:32.30 | vulture | scarynetworkguy: And tcpdump would tell him what it means? |
| 02:32.32 | Azar | I am not able now to remove any /home/user I created... man deluser did not work |
| 02:32.32 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Don't hate me because I'm good. :) |
| 02:32.42 | cire | sorry for reasking, but I don't know where to ask elsewhere... Bogofilter tells me "cannot stat ~/.bogofilter", but "stat ~/.bogofilter" works. What am I doing wrong? |
| 02:32.53 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: that's not it at all :) |
| 02:32.59 | SerajewelKS | vulture: the web interface tells me that it's assigning it an address with DHCP =/ |
| 02:33.04 | davn | KerPlunk: obviously that fails as well |
| 02:33.07 | fbi | roler: apt-get install gdesklets gdesklets-data |
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| 02:33.24 | vulture | SerajewelKS: Is it possible it's assigning it an address that differs from the one it just had? |
| 02:33.43 | vulture | SerajewelKS: If you can't do static assignments on the DHCP server then it should revoke any lease for the DMZed address and issue a different one |
| 02:33.53 | vulture | because dynamically assigning the DMZ address would cause havok |
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| 02:34.45 | scarynetworkguy | vulture: Wrong again. :) |
| 02:34.47 | roler | fbi; holy moly! |
| 02:35.06 | vulture | scarynetworkguy: how so? |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | roler: gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org |
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| 02:36.48 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to figure out why it doesn't just keep the private address and forward packets to it |
| 02:37.15 | Elly | hey guys |
| 02:37.22 | Elly | I'm looking at debian's CD image torrents |
| 02:37.24 | Elly | there are 14 of them? |
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| 02:37.40 | SerajewelKS | Elly: yes |
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| 02:37.52 | beoba | thats a lot of cds |
| 02:37.52 | gravity | Elly: You only need the netinst, and you can install the base system and pull only what you want from the 'net dynamically |
| 02:37.54 | abrotman | Elly: do you have broadband ? |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | !d-i Elly |
| 02:37.59 | dpkg | Elly, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:38.01 | Elly | are they just updated versions? |
| 02:38.11 | Elly | gravity: this should be a netless install |
| 02:38.22 | Elly | since it would be inside a firewall that disallows outbound access |
| 02:38.24 | vulture | SerajewelKS: Has the DMZed computer been issued with a new DHCP lease - if so, for what address? |
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| 02:38.28 | Elly | (long story) |
| 02:38.33 | kyncani | Elly: most used packages are on cd 1, least used ones on cd 14 |
| 02:38.33 | gravity | Elly: Ah, then yeah. 14 CD's |
| 02:38.40 | abrotman | Elly: ah .. then yes .. 14CDs .. or 2DVDs |
| 02:38.42 | EdLin | Elly: even disallows http outbound? |
| 02:38.56 | kyncani | Elly: so with 3 cds you should be fine |
| 02:39.02 | frizkybitz | I'm not sure why, but I just installed my new nvidia card according to the msg dpkg nvidia-info's recommendations, and although i now get +8k fps, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 wouldn't write |
| 02:39.03 | Elly | there is no way there are 14 CDs worth of stuff |
| 02:39.09 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
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| 02:39.17 | Elly | well, the system in question needs exactly two things: apache and sshd |
| 02:39.23 | Elly | those should be on CD 1, right? |
| 02:39.28 | roler | wow these are rockin |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 02:39.31 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 02:39.37 | frizkybitz | and I'm stuck in either 640x480 or 320x240 |
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| 02:40.17 | abrotman | dpkg: come on .. where are the dstats on sarge? |
| 02:40.19 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 02:40.21 | frizkybitz | because i had to manually edit my existing xfree86config-4 |
| 02:40.22 | kyncani | Elly: well, just download cd 1, if it's not enough to install apache, then download cd 2, use apt-cdrom to add it to apt's known medias and try again, and again |
| 02:40.24 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 02:40.26 | Elly | wtf is apache on cd 3 |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | dpkg: forget come on .. where |
| 02:40.29 | dpkg | i forgot come on .. where, abrotman |
| 02:40.39 | fbi | !tell frizkybitz about xmd5 |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | Elly: see how much stuff sarge has! |
| 02:40.46 | Elly | that's scary |
| 02:40.48 | frizkybitz | fbi i did that |
| 02:40.48 | KerPlunk | xmd5 |
| 02:40.49 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 02:40.50 | SerajewelKS | the manufacturer's manual says that all i need to do is "reboot the dmz'd computer" -- is "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" sufficient for that, or should i really reboot? |
| 02:40.52 | Elly | I'm going to use a more compact distro |
| 02:40.54 | frizkybitz | it still didn't write |
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| 02:40.55 | KerPlunk | Why would anyone want that |
| 02:41.04 | fbi | frizkybitz: then you need to do it again. |
| 02:41.14 | vulture | SerajewelKS: We wouldn't know what it might be doing. Try it - does it get a new dhcp lease? |
| 02:41.20 | Elly | hmm wait |
| 02:41.26 | Elly | is outbound HTTP access enough to use apt-get? |
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| 02:41.45 | abrotman | Elly: yes |
| 02:41.54 | frizkybitz | fbi: on the site that dpkg gave, there was a pipe after the > |
| 02:41.57 | kyncani | Elly: yes |
| 02:41.59 | Elly | oh |
| 02:42.02 | SerajewelKS | vulture: i s'pose i could do ifdown eth0 and delete the leases file |
| 02:42.09 | Elly | does it work through an HTTP proxy that requires a username/pass? |
| 02:42.10 | fbi | frizkybitz: if you know what resolution you want, and you've already edited XF86Config-4, why not just edit it again and put in the resolution? |
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| 02:42.40 | frizkybitz | fbi, I did. 640x480 and 320x240 aren't even in it anywhere |
| 02:42.53 | SerajewelKS | vulture: well that got rid of the NAK, but the server still won't respond to a REQUEST |
| 02:42.55 | frizkybitz | my lowest should be 800x600 |
| 02:43.04 | abrotman | Elly: it can |
| 02:43.05 | kyncani | Elly: i think so, but not sure |
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| 02:43.09 | Sela_ | damn laggy wine server :-( |
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| 02:44.08 | SerajewelKS | vulture: i send out a DISCOVER, server replies with an OFFER, i reply with a REQUEST, and then nothing |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | Elly: do you have a debian box available to you now ? |
| 02:44.09 | fbi | frizkybitz: i'd try this: [1] remove /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 [2] run xf86config and create a temporary new file [3] fix the md5sum |
| 02:44.09 | Elly | abrotman: I'm on one, yes |
| 02:44.17 | Elly | the science department at school has a server |
| 02:44.19 | abrotman | Elly: man apt.conf .. search for proxy |
| 02:44.20 | Elly | which is naked currently |
| 02:44.27 | Elly | they want an OS, I suggested linux |
| 02:44.44 | frizkybitz | fbi gotcha. I'll try that. should there be a pipe in the md5sum command? |
| 02:44.54 | fbi | !xmd5 |
| 02:44.54 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 02:44.59 | fbi | yes |
| 02:45.00 | Sela_ | ahhh now it works |
| 02:45.17 | fbi | frizkybitz: do everything between the quotes |
| 02:45.20 | SerajewelKS | vulture: grr... =/ |
| 02:45.29 | frizkybitz | like md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >| /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 02:45.43 | devicenull | apt-get says I have cpp-3.4, but cc1plus -v says 3.3..? |
| 02:46.14 | frizkybitz | ah ok |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | Elly: does it make sense ? |
| 02:46.28 | vulture | SerajewelKS: Hmm, odd. Well you can always entertain yourself by following the manual's instructions I suppose. |
| 02:46.53 | SerajewelKS | vulture: yeah only problem with that is (1) it won't work, which means (2) i'll have to reattach the monitor since ssh will go down =/ |
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| 02:47.17 | vulture | SerajewelKS: hehe, fun. |
| 02:47.23 | SerajewelKS | vulture: hardly |
| 02:47.33 | vulture | SerajewelKS: or you could just test the DMZ on a system that does have a head |
| 02:47.35 | mrrangerman43 | anyone use fluxbox ? |
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| 02:47.44 | Elly | haha |
| 02:47.44 | fbi | !anyone use fluxbox |
| 02:47.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses fluxbox, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:47.49 | Elly | my share ratio on the debian ISO was 0.000 |
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| 02:48.17 | SerajewelKS | vulture: true |
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| 02:48.18 | SerajewelKS | vulture: don't be surprised if my irc connection is reset in the next few minutes |
| 02:48.21 | frizkybitz | thats odd. i have no xf86config |
| 02:48.22 | vulture | SerajewelKS: *nods* |
| 02:48.37 | vulture | frizkybitz: perhaps because you're using xorg.. |
| 02:48.45 | fbi | frizkybitz: X -version |
| 02:49.09 | gravity | xorgcfg exists too, iirc |
| 02:49.22 | fbi | gravity: as if you know anything about X. |
| 02:49.34 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:49.35 | frizkybitz | XFree86 4.0.3.1 |
| 02:49.42 | gravity | Whoa. Woody? |
| 02:49.46 | fbi | frizkybitz: you should have the xf86config command then |
| 02:49.50 | fbi | oh wait |
| 02:50.03 | fbi | yeah that's old unless it's a typo |
| 02:50.11 | frizkybitz | oops |
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| 02:50.15 | frizkybitz | 4.3.0.1 |
| 02:50.21 | fbi | frizkybitz: you should have that command then |
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| 02:50.30 | fbi | frizkybitz: you're running xf86config as root? |
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| 02:50.42 | dusk | ill run you as root |
| 02:50.52 | abrotman | please don't! |
| 02:50.54 | frizkybitz | i'm gonna updatedb. yeah. as root |
| 02:50.57 | Bogaurd | is it possible to ban a certain ftp client with proftpd? i'd like to prevent that trash 'cuteftp' from connecting to my server. |
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| 02:51.20 | abrotman | Bogaurd: see if there's a #proftpd .. i'm not aware of anything like that |
| 02:51.22 | dusk | bogaurd: why do you have so much hate |
| 02:51.50 | Bogaurd | dusk: i'm sorry - cuteftp deserves it :) |
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| 02:52.15 | dusk | heh |
| 02:52.22 | frizkybitz | dammitdammitdammit |
| 02:52.32 | Bogaurd | abrotman: thanks, there it :) |
| 02:52.35 | Bogaurd | is* |
| 02:52.50 | frizkybitz | nope I don't have it. maybe i can reinstall xfree |
| 02:53.00 | jacm | i want to compile the kernel, and i have this error |
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| 02:53.03 | jacm | kernel panic -not syncing: VFS: unable to mount fs on unknown -block (0,0) |
| 02:53.06 | frizkybitz | i know i should have it |
| 02:53.11 | jacm | somebody help me? |
| 02:53.36 | fbi | frizkybitz: no need. create a new, empty /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and fix the md5sum, then reconfigure X |
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| 02:53.59 | frizkybitz | k |
| 02:54.12 | p1nhead | how do i make dpkg try to automatically install dependencies? this is probably documented somewhere but it sucks to wade through documentation all day for one little thing |
| 02:55.01 | jacm | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 02:55.04 | abrotman | p1nhead: use apt-get .. like a sane person :) |
| 02:55.12 | vulture | or even aptitude *shrugs* |
| 02:55.22 | dusk | _f_ |
| 02:55.40 | p1nhead | no never |
| 02:55.42 | p1nhead | tell me :) |
| 02:55.49 | abrotman | p1nhead: man apt-get ? |
| 02:55.51 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 02:55.52 | dpkg | from memory, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 02:56.13 | p1nhead | dpkg will absolutely not install dependencies on its own? |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | it's not supposed to |
| 02:56.36 | p1nhead | okay then |
| 02:57.21 | jacm | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.23 | jacm | kernel panic -not syncing: VFS: unable to mount fs on unknown -block (0,0) |
| 02:57.31 | jacm | somebody help me? |
| 02:57.32 | abrotman | fix your kernel |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | why are you compiling a kenrel ? |
| 02:57.52 | Smegma | how can i clear mbr? |
| 02:57.54 | jacm | i awnt support for write in ntfs |
| 02:57.59 | jacm | want |
| 02:58.14 | Smegma | erase mbr |
| 02:58.27 | jacm | i have kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 02:58.40 | fbi | jacm: /msg dpkg captive |
| 02:58.55 | jacm | mi kernel not run |
| 02:59.08 | jacm | my |
| 02:59.14 | jacm | excuse me |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | fbi: captive ntfs ? |
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| 02:59.25 | frizkybitz | fbi: no go. i did it as root, diff said they are identical, ran the dpkg-reconfig, and XF86Config-4 is still empty |
| 02:59.25 | fbi | !captive |
| 02:59.25 | dpkg | hmm... captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | wheee! |
| 02:59.51 | fbi | frizkybitz: you're telling me you have an empty X config and it tells you they are identical? |
| 03:00.07 | frizkybitz | yes, because i did md5sum |
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| 03:00.18 | fbi | frizkybitz: purge X and install it again |
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| 03:02.04 | frizkybitz | ok. apt-get remove? |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | !purge |
| 03:02.10 | dpkg | purge is, like, to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you allready removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 03:02.15 | fbi | !remove X |
| 03:02.15 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | !remove fbi |
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| 03:02.39 | abrotman | hrm .. oh well |
| 03:02.47 | SimonRaven | !purge =~ s/allready/already/ |
| 03:02.47 | dpkg | OK, SimonRaven |
| 03:02.59 | frizkybitz | won't that drag deps with it? |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:03.04 | fbi | SimonRaven: where do i find that mocp browser |
| 03:03.13 | frizkybitz | ick |
| 03:03.18 | SimonRaven | moc package IIRC |
| 03:03.30 | SimonRaven | !info moc |
| 03:03.35 | dpkg | moc: (ncurses based console audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.3.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 150 kB, Installed size: 472 kB |
| 03:03.42 | SimonRaven | ^^ |
| 03:03.47 | fbi | got it, cheers. |
| 03:05.57 | rafx | are these backports for sarge pretty reliable? http://www.backports.org/pending/ |
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| 03:13.08 | Sela | is one of you an wine expert ? |
| 03:13.36 | Tortel | Sela: #wine |
| 03:13.46 | Sela | thanks |
| 03:14.04 | fbi | it's #winehq |
| 03:14.25 | Tortel | oyea, sorry |
| 03:14.29 | fbi | moc inside screen is the new, best audio player evarrr. |
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| 03:15.18 | psychonate | fbi, does moc support flac? |
| 03:15.32 | fbi | psychonate: no idea, i'm playing mp3s right now |
| 03:15.33 | psychonate | or mpc, or monkey's audio heh |
| 03:15.37 | _llll_ | i just had a system crash, and everything in /etc and /var went into lost+found. (or has been lost forever, from the output of fsck, /var is probably missing some files). where does locate store its database? |
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| 03:15.59 | bykar | anybody know about umts/gprs and debian |
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| 03:16.52 | abrotman | _llll_: probably in /var/ |
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| 03:17.18 | _llll_ | is there some way i can can the files in /var/lost+found to recognise this database? |
| 03:17.37 | frizkybitz | ok, so i purged x11-common, and installed it, but have no xf86config...I am missing something, but I don't know what to call it |
| 03:17.37 | _llll_ | (im hoping i can restore enough of etc to boot into single user mode and then run locate to get a list of files in etc and var |
| 03:18.03 | fbi | frizkybitz: you don't need to run xf86config, that was a temporary fix to your borked X config |
| 03:18.09 | fbi | frizkybitz: reconfigure X |
| 03:18.25 | frizkybitz | k |
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| 03:18.40 | fbi | frizkybitz: you're using the spacebar to select resolutions in debconf, right |
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| 03:21.55 | frizkybitz | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is what i'm using, and yes. then <tab> to ok |
| 03:22.07 | frizkybitz | i am reinstalling xorg |
| 03:22.26 | fbi | frizkybitz: dude, you said you were running xfree86 |
| 03:22.31 | frizkybitz | i was |
| 03:22.39 | fbi | frizkybitz: xserver-xorg will not have an xf86config command. |
| 03:22.39 | frizkybitz | now i apparently won't be |
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| 03:22.54 | frizkybitz | i did the command you said, and it said xfree86 |
| 03:23.02 | frizkybitz | 4.3.0.1 |
| 03:23.12 | frizkybitz | or possibly I'm retarded |
| 03:23.18 | fbi | frizkybitz: reinstalling X should have given you a running X server. ask gravity, he's the maintainer. |
| 03:23.32 | gravity | hrm? |
| 03:23.33 | frizkybitz | i'm just setting it up now |
| 03:23.44 | dusk | hey, i start school the 4th and am looking into laptops.. ill prob run deb on it.. and maybe winxp dual boot just in case i come across someone who i have to cut down in quake |
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| 03:24.35 | dusk | ive been hearin good stuff about the ibms.. Id prob get a dell cuz i can get a discount on them through work.. but i dunno |
| 03:25.00 | fbi | dusk: i'd take an older thinkpad over a dell _any_ day. |
| 03:25.07 | deuce868 | dusk: I've owned a R51 thinkpad and loved it. Seen too many problems with dells waaaaay too many |
| 03:25.18 | amphi | dusk: stinkpads are excellent |
| 03:25.23 | dusk | cool |
| 03:25.27 | dusk | what line? |
| 03:25.43 | deuce868 | dusk: depends on size requirements and what you want to use it for |
| 03:25.44 | frizkybitz | xorg has fewer questions on setup by a long shot |
| 03:25.48 | amphi | I've only had Ts, a T22 and now a T42 |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | dell sucks |
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| 03:26.17 | dusk | deuce868: oh, itll be my school laptop, Im a commuter, so ill need something with killer batteries |
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| 03:26.42 | abrotman | fujitsu lifebook! |
| 03:26.46 | shadow98 | why can i not get this package with apt-get http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/gproftpd |
| 03:26.58 | dusk | and something ill be able to take notes with in class, mp3s, linux.. uhh, watching movies, programming.. i dunno, normal stuff |
| 03:27.07 | dualpower | the $100 pc is a dream |
| 03:27.16 | deuce868 | dusk: I got he R50 line because it was decent price, 15" screen, and the nice resolution. Used it with debian for web dev and office stuff without any probs for 2 years |
| 03:27.18 | dualpower | :) hello,all |
| 03:27.31 | dusk | yea, ill want something with at least 1280 |
| 03:27.31 | abrotman | shadow98: errors are useful |
| 03:27.38 | dusk | a really really nice screen |
| 03:27.51 | abrotman | dusk: and there goes your battery :) |
| 03:27.52 | dusk | and something with killer battery life.. I dont care if its big and bulky |
| 03:27.58 | dusk | abrotman: i know! |
| 03:29.13 | amphi | dusk: you can undervolt the cpu for more battery life ;) |
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| 03:29.48 | shadow98 | http://pastebin.com/466202 |
| 03:30.03 | shadow98 | abrotman: there you go |
| 03:30.06 | shadow98 | it was a little long |
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| 03:30.31 | dusk | i like the Z |
| 03:30.35 | dusk | only widescreen |
| 03:30.49 | abrotman | shadow98: did you try `apt-get update;apt-get install gproftpd` ? |
| 03:30.52 | dualpower | widescreen = more power |
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| 03:31.08 | dusk | damn it |
| 03:31.09 | litage | which package provides /sbin/consoletype? |
| 03:31.19 | dualpower | widescreen = more power = more space |
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| 03:31.36 | dusk | well then i guess im going to have to buy a second battery |
| 03:31.41 | abrotman | !tell litage about search |
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| 03:32.06 | frizkybitz | dammitalltohell. I can start x now, but have no desktop env. no kde and it says it isn't installable |
| 03:32.25 | fbi | frizkybitz: you're not running sarge. |
| 03:32.32 | shadow98 | no i didnt |
| 03:32.38 | shadow98 | im doing that now |
| 03:32.38 | frizkybitz | no. etch |
| 03:32.40 | fbi | frizkybitz: paste your sources.list in a paster |
| 03:32.49 | shadow98 | same thing |
| 03:32.53 | frizkybitz | ?? in a paster? |
| 03:32.54 | stew | frizkybitz: /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 03:33.30 | litage | thanks abrotman |
| 03:34.03 | shadow98 | how could i use apt-get install to install dependencies and the package i want |
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| 03:34.37 | stew | shadow98: apt-get install packageyouwant |
| 03:34.50 | shadow98 | stew: http://pastebin.com/466202 |
| 03:34.59 | frizkybitz | fbi i don't know what a paster is. like pastebin? i can't. I'm not on that pc right now |
| 03:35.24 | fbi | frizkybitz: you don't need to paste anything. you just admitted you were running etch. you said earlier you were running sarge. |
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| 03:35.58 | stew | shadow98: you cannot mix stable with non-stable |
| 03:36.36 | stew | shadow98: if you need a package that doesn't exist in stable you must find a backport or backport it yourself, or do without /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 03:37.00 | Bawdo2001 | Hello, you can have a mixed system: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
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| 03:37.20 | frizkybitz | no, I don't think i did. I'm running a mix actually, of etch and sid |
| 03:37.21 | stew | Bawdo2001: stable doesn't mix with testing and unstable |
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| 03:37.31 | dusk | http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425101662&storeId=10000001&langId=-1&categoryId=4611686018425011252&dualCurrId=1000073&catalogId=-840 |
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| 03:37.35 | dusk | thats badass |
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| 03:37.52 | fbi | frizkybitz: you're running etch and sid. and you were running xserver-xfree86? hmmm. |
| 03:37.55 | stew | Bawdo2001: testing and unstable have similar libs and therefore can mix with fewer troubles, but this is not so of stable and testing/unstable |
| 03:38.06 | frizkybitz | yes |
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| 03:38.07 | abrotman | dusk: i bet the battery lasts 10 seconds :) |
| 03:38.22 | dusk | abrotman: NO! |
| 03:38.23 | frizkybitz | but i upgraded from sarge a long time ago. |
| 03:38.29 | fbi | frizkybitz: testing/unstable uses xserver-xorg. |
| 03:38.32 | atp | has anyone been having problems with the latest glibc in etch? |
| 03:38.39 | atp | fbi: you have the choice actually |
| 03:38.44 | stew | atp: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:38.49 | abrotman | there hasn't been a libc6 change in etch for quite a while |
| 03:38.53 | dusk | 9 Cell Lithium-Ion |
| 03:38.55 | shadow98 | stew: should i just put unstable in sources.list |
| 03:38.58 | atp | dpkg, bts |
| 03:38.58 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 03:39.07 | stew | shadow98: definately not |
| 03:39.10 | abrotman | that was almost like a /msg :) |
| 03:39.14 | frizkybitz | anyhow, kde still won't install |
| 03:39.24 | atp | abrotman: sorry, freenode has been problematic with privmsgs lately |
| 03:39.27 | frizkybitz | i was using 3.4 |
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| 03:39.28 | Bawdo2001 | can anyone suggest a way of using apt-get to install package but not configure them once installed? |
| 03:39.34 | shadow98 | stew: im still confused even after msg dpkg |
| 03:39.37 | abrotman | atp: cause you're not registered ? |
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| 03:39.49 | atp | abrotman: i am registered, but lots of bots just ignore me... perhaps they're not registered? |
| 03:39.57 | abrotman | atp: anyways .. libc hasn't changed in etch for quite some time |
| 03:40.02 | fbi | frizkybitz: kde is not installable in etch. it doesn't really matter because you're running a bastard system with both etch and sid sources. |
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| 03:40.25 | atp | abrotman: well, after a recent upgrade, i've been having all sorts of wacky behaviour... firefox gives me memory corruption errors, gaim crashes on startup |
| 03:40.25 | stew | shadow98: what are you confused about? |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | atp: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 03:40.54 | atp | abrotman: 2.3.5-8 |
| 03:40.58 | frizkybitz | fbi: because deps aren't yet 10 days old? I haven't checked in a while |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | atp: that entered etch a while ago |
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| 03:41.23 | abrotman | atp: other than that .. check the bts for the apps that crash |
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| 03:41.31 | fbi | frizkybitz: i don't know. i don't run kde, or etch. |
| 03:41.34 | abrotman | Wyzard: were you sledding ? |
| 03:41.39 | atp | abrotman: i can't figure it out. gaim is 1.5.0+1.51cvs20051015-1, mozilla-firefox is 1.0.7-1 |
| 03:41.48 | DimmuR | Hi I've a question about /etc/network/interfaces. After upgrading kernel to 2.6.14 it seems that no interfaces is readed while loading. I need to manualy run ifup eth0 and lo interface (I have configured those interfaces as static) - any hints how to make it working like on older kernels? |
| 03:41.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope |
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| 03:42.04 | abrotman | atp: same ones i have .. they don't crash here .. though i don't use FF |
| 03:42.10 | atp | abrotman: mozilla crashes too |
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| 03:42.19 | abrotman | atp: i don't use mozilla either |
| 03:42.19 | atp | abrotman: i think the error is in gecko, not in ff |
| 03:42.24 | atp | abrotman: dillo works |
| 03:42.25 | Wyzard | DimmuR: Do you have "auto" directives for your interfaces in that file? |
| 03:42.33 | atp | abrotman: what do you use? |
| 03:42.38 | abrotman | opera .. i'm evil |
| 03:42.41 | frizkybitz | maybe i'll go back to sarge |
| 03:42.42 | atp | that is evil |
| 03:42.47 | atp | good browser though |
| 03:42.48 | Wyzard | DimmuR: 2.6.14 shouldn't be any different in that regard (and I'm running it right now, on this system and several others) |
| 03:42.49 | abrotman | it's much better than FF IMO |
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| 03:42.53 | teknoprep | hi all |
| 03:42.53 | DimmuR | Wyzard: yes - it's working great under 2.6.13 but under 2.6.14 doesn't |
| 03:42.57 | atp | abrotman: it's definitely very nice |
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| 03:43.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: why don't you sled ? |
| 03:43.02 | Bawdo2001 | ipv6 support being on can also cause firefox to slow down a bit. |
| 03:43.03 | teknoprep | anything i need to apt-get beside kde to get it to start up |
| 03:43.08 | teknoprep | keep getting this error on startkde |
| 03:43.13 | Tortel | kdm |
| 03:43.18 | teknoprep | ahh |
| 03:43.19 | teknoprep | ty |
| 03:43.20 | atp | abrotman: i used to use it back when ns4 was the only other real option for linux, right when they first ported it |
| 03:43.32 | teknoprep | yeah i am used to gentoo and i should have known that |
| 03:43.33 | teknoprep | lol |
| 03:43.36 | atp | abrotman: actually bought it :) |
| 03:43.37 | SerajewelKS | vulture: i gave up and just forwarded the ports i need =/ |
| 03:43.44 | teknoprep | but i never needed kdm becuase i use xorg default |
| 03:43.46 | abrotman | atp: i just clicked the ads all the time :) |
| 03:43.47 | fbi | teknoprep: startx |
| 03:43.59 | atp | abrotman: eh? why? |
| 03:44.07 | abrotman | atp: to make companies pay opera :) |
| 03:44.17 | shadow98 | stew: im confused on what the hell i should do to get this installed |
| 03:44.26 | atp | abrotman: haha, that's sadistically cool |
| 03:44.41 | teknoprep | this doesn't exist /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 03:44.43 | abrotman | atp: i'd also like to write a plugin for FF that follows ad urls :) |
| 03:44.46 | teknoprep | when i type startx |
| 03:45.06 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 03:45.12 | atp | abrotman: probably very easy to do, xul is a dream to code in |
| 03:45.15 | fbi | teknoprep: how did you install X |
| 03:45.16 | teknoprep | and when starting KDM it does nothing... /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 03:45.21 | atp | abrotman: very nice dev framework |
| 03:45.22 | teknoprep | apt-get install kde |
| 03:45.23 | abrotman | atp: i haven't done it yet |
| 03:45.27 | teknoprep | do i need to apt-get install X |
| 03:45.32 | fbi | !tell teknoprep about setup x |
| 03:45.41 | EdLin | teknoprep: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 03:45.52 | atp | teknoprep: apt-get install kde should work out the dependencies just fine |
| 03:45.53 | DimmuR | Wyzard: for loopback i have: |
| 03:45.54 | DimmuR | auto lo |
| 03:45.54 | DimmuR | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.54 | DimmuR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:46.04 | fbi | atp: it doesn't. you still need to install X. |
| 03:46.09 | atp | fbi: really? |
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| 03:46.16 | fbi | atp: yes, really. |
| 03:46.18 | atp | fbi: weird. |
| 03:46.28 | atp | fbi: what's the logic behind that? |
| 03:46.31 | fbi | atp: i blame canada. |
| 03:46.39 | atp | fbi: good policy. |
| 03:46.47 | fbi | atp: no idea. i don't use kde. |
| 03:46.52 | atp | fbi: nor i. |
| 03:47.02 | fbi | atp: three letter nicks rule. |
| 03:47.06 | stew | shadow98: go to backports.org, if they don't have it there, then /msg dpkg simple sid backprort |
| 03:47.08 | atp | fbi: agreed. |
| 03:47.11 | fbi | three letter nick flood |
| 03:47.36 | Wyzard | DimmuR: Sounds right, but I can't think of any reason why you'd have that problem under 2.6.14... nothing like that has happened to me |
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| 03:47.54 | fbi | speaking of three letter nicks |
| 03:47.59 | fbi | where the hell is asg |
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| 03:48.29 | stew | fbi: he burned out and left possibly permanantly |
| 03:48.45 | stew | fbi: he's been on the network but not the channel |
| 03:48.56 | fbi | understandable |
| 03:49.04 | atp | he'll be back, they always come back |
| 03:49.20 | atp | i used to hang out here a lot back in the potato days |
| 03:49.20 | Bawdo2001 | when using apt-get to install packages does apt-get call dpkg-reconfigure after the package is install? If so is there an apt-get option to turin of this post install configuration? |
| 03:49.22 | fbi | maybe he should /nick msg and come back in some chinese food. |
| 03:49.23 | stew | DimmuR: do you have a symlink to /etc/init.d/networking in /etc/rcS.d? |
| 03:50.11 | atp | wow, bts is slow today |
| 03:50.56 | teknoprep | yay |
| 03:51.02 | teknoprep | having fun installing this into an ESX server |
| 03:51.07 | teknoprep | setting up a thin client |
| 03:51.17 | teknoprep | vmware ESX is so hot |
| 03:51.23 | b14ck | Would someone mind linking me to the download page for sid net install? |
| 03:51.26 | stew | Bawdo2001: you change the debconf level with "dpkg-reconfigure debconf " so that you only see the absolutely necessary questions |
| 03:51.59 | Bawdo2001 | Thanks stew. I will give it a go. Prefrerable I want to be asked zero questions... |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | fbi: i know where he is! |
| 03:52.08 | stew | Bawdo2001: /msg dpkg fai |
| 03:52.17 | DimmuR | stew: its: S40networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 03:52.17 | abrotman | stew: i don't htink he burnt out .. he got fed up |
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| 03:52.27 | fbi | abrotman: smack him with a parsnip for me |
| 03:52.34 | teknoprep | anyone here setup diskless boot using linux and vmware esx before? |
| 03:52.40 | kjm | does Gnome not work with hotplug? |
| 03:52.46 | abrotman | fbi: done |
| 03:53.00 | fbi | cheers |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | kjm: gnome-volume-manager requires udev ... |
| 03:53.17 | stew | abrotman: *shrug*: 13:03 < stew> burnout? 13:03 < asg> yeah |
| 03:53.26 | abrotman | 1303 ? |
| 03:53.29 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i tried pump -i eth0, system told me: Operation failed. |
| 03:53.36 | stew | abrotman: but i'm sure you know better than I |
| 03:53.38 | kjm | i c . . .ty. So automount works with udev...? Just got a new USB external drive and having fun with it. |
| 03:53.40 | abrotman | fbi: asg asks how you're doing! :) |
| 03:53.40 | TraceGreen | i am sure i have net module. |
| 03:53.54 | TraceGreen | does anyone know why? |
| 03:54.00 | Bawdo2001 | Thanks stew. dpkg-reconfigure debconf is exactly what was needed. |
| 03:54.00 | dpkg | no problem, Bawdo2001 |
| 03:54.07 | b14ck | Would someone mind linking me to the download page for sid net install? |
| 03:54.08 | Wyzard | TraceGreen: Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason why you're using pump, as opposed to dhclient? |
| 03:54.27 | b14ck | Would someone mind linking me to the download page for the sid net install iso? I can't find it *anywhere* on the main site... |
| 03:54.33 | frizkybitz | i got my nvidia install instructions from here, but it is for XF86config-4. can i run dpkg-reconfigure xwindows-xorg? |
| 03:54.47 | TraceGreen | Wyzard, i am use knoppix liveCD, and it don't have dhclient |
| 03:54.47 | kjm | b14k - you may get better luck if you ask less than once every 30 seconds. |
| 03:54.52 | Wyzard | frizkybitz: xserver-xorg, not xwindows-xorg |
| 03:54.56 | b14ck | Sorry, I wanted to modify the question. |
| 03:54.56 | Wyzard | TraceGreen: #knoppix |
| 03:54.57 | DimmuR | stew: maybe hotplug has something to do with that? (under 2.6.13 i didn't use hotplug) |
| 03:55.01 | frizkybitz | k thnx |
| 03:55.22 | Wyzard | frizkybitz: If nvidia-glx is installed, you'll see "nvidia" in the list of drivers available when you do that |
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| 03:56.36 | fbi | abrotman: tell him it's all good in tha hood. |
| 03:57.06 | abrotman | fbi: what happened to <thc> ? |
| 03:57.14 | TheBloub | Hi |
| 03:57.24 | fbi | abrotman: nothing, why? |
| 03:57.26 | Wyzard | b14ck: I don't think there *is* a netinstall iso meant specifically for sid... but maybe you're thinking of http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:57.26 | stew | DimmuR: i can't think of how adding hotplug would make your networking not work at boot but work after boot. it would be easy to figure out though |
| 03:57.36 | abrotman | fbi: oh ok |
| 03:57.38 | fbi | abrotman: i'm sober now, i attend narcotics anonymous meetings |
| 03:57.41 | fbi | hahahahahahahaha |
| 03:57.50 | b14ck | Wyzard, how can I run SID then? |
| 03:57.52 | snowgeese | how you tell if gui is 3d? |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | fbi: you get them anonymously |
| 03:57.57 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:58.06 | shadow98 | stew: deb http://debian.xmixahlx.com/packages/unstable/ ./ |
| 03:58.06 | shadow98 | Matches: |
| 03:58.06 | shadow98 | gproftpd 8.1.6-2 (i386) |
| 03:58.07 | stew | DimmuR: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" makes networking work after boot? |
| 03:58.14 | fbi | abrotman: yes, i buy dime bags of weed from gang members in compton |
| 03:58.17 | Wyzard | b14ck: Install stable and then upgrade |
| 03:58.21 | stew | shadow98: don't install unstalbe packages |
| 03:58.23 | Wyzard | b14ck: That's the usual way |
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| 03:58.29 | b14ck | Wyzard, ok I can do that. Thanks. |
| 03:58.31 | abrotman | fbi: that's not very anonymous :) |
| 03:58.36 | shadow98 | stew: why not |
| 03:58.38 | stew | shadow98: you need a backport, either find a backport or backport it yourself |
| 03:58.40 | fbi | abrotman: it is if i don't know their names |
| 03:58.40 | b14ck | I don't suppose you would know how to do the upgrade? |
| 03:58.56 | abrotman | fbi: faces! |
| 03:59.02 | stew | shadow98: becuase you run stable, not unstable. /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 03:59.07 | DimmuR | stew: i'll check that (i just put "ifup lo; ifup eth0" in my local file in /etc/init.d; brb |
| 03:59.16 | fbi | abrotman: i make it a habit of _not_ remembering gang member's faces. |
| 03:59.22 | Wyzard | b14ck: Edit sources.list and then dist-upgrade... but if you need to ask that, you should also ask yourself why you want to run sid in the first place |
| 03:59.39 | b14ck | This is going to be my first time ever running debian. |
| 03:59.49 | b14ck | I'm an OpenBSD guy. |
| 03:59.51 | SimonRaven | uh, then don't run sid |
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| 03:59.54 | kjm | b14k : then you should start with stable then |
| 03:59.55 | b14ck | Need bleeding edge |
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| 04:00.09 | SimonRaven | right. like a hole in the head |
| 04:00.11 | stew | b14ck: if you haven't run debian before you really don't want to run unstable |
| 04:00.15 | atp | b14ck: etch is probably ok, sid is a little bit less stable, but not much more bleeding edge |
| 04:00.16 | kjm | heh, no one *needs* bleeding edge. |
| 04:00.17 | b14ck | Yes I do. |
| 04:00.22 | shadow98 | stew: its says if you have to ask you shouldn't |
| 04:00.33 | stew | shadow98: right, you shouldn't |
| 04:00.44 | Wyzard | b14ck: If you're experienced with Unix-like systems in general then you wouldn't be over your head with sid, but do remember that it's a development area, and stuff does break sometimes |
| 04:00.44 | kjm | I am happy using what was bleeding edge 3 months ago ty |
| 04:00.50 | SimonRaven | !bless b14ck |
| 04:00.51 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child b14ck, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:00.53 | stew | b14ck: run testing and backport whichever packages you need to be bleeding edge |
| 04:01.00 | Fujoor | if a install doesnt go further, for example, when its looking for the pcmcia card, does that mean it cant find the card or is it something else? |
| 04:01.14 | atp | b14ck: really, testing is good enough (it's more bleeding edge than obsd, anyway) |
| 04:01.14 | Duelist | on anything that's ostensibly "production" testing is as far as you should go |
| 04:01.21 | Duelist | don't run unstable unless you just like having shit break |
| 04:01.30 | b14ck | atp, lies |
| 04:01.32 | atp | on production even running testing is asking for trouble |
| 04:01.35 | litage | what's the difference between a virtual and pseudo console? |
| 04:01.36 | atp | b14ck: i also run obsd :) |
| 04:01.41 | shadow98 | stew: on the simple sid backport step 1 says add a deb-src line for side to your sources.list what does that mean |
| 04:01.49 | stew | shadow98: man sources.list |
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| 04:01.50 | Duelist | atp: well, in certain circumstances it can be pulled off |
| 04:02.06 | atp | Duelist: sure, if you want to grow old before your time |
| 04:02.08 | Duelist | ideally stick with stable+security on production |
| 04:02.12 | atp | exactly |
| 04:02.14 | stew | atp: its not as bad as it used to be with the advent of testing-security at least |
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| 04:02.17 | Wyzard | It's worth pointing out that for someone who's intelligent and willing to deal with breakage, running sid is a good way to learn about Debian at a faster rate than one would with stable |
| 04:02.21 | TheBloub | sy @ |
| 04:02.27 | atp | debian is awesome for production: extreme stability, slow upgrade cycle, security patches |
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| 04:02.39 | atp | just the way we like it |
| 04:02.45 | atp | it works, forget about it |
| 04:02.51 | Duelist | Wyzard: for those that love trial by fire it's great, don't get me wrong |
| 04:02.54 | kjm | Wyzard : true, I just prefer learning how things work by setting things up....not by fixing them :) |
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| 04:03.19 | oblib | Anyone know how to unload the nvidia module for suspend? |
| 04:03.20 | kjm | I break enough shit at work, don't need to at home :) |
| 04:03.33 | Duelist | if you ask me there should be like quarterly "interim releases" halfway between stable and testing |
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| 04:03.43 | atp | if the guy runs obsd, he's likely not a unix newbie, but debian has a steeper learning curve than most linuxes |
| 04:03.45 | Duelist | which consist of testing as it existed at the start of the quarter with some fixes |
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| 04:03.54 | Wyzard | kjm: I upgrade daily and pay attention to what's being changed, and I learn a lot about the roles of various packages and how they relate to each other |
| 04:04.08 | frizkybitz | YAY! thanks very much to everyone that helped me, esp. fbi. |
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| 04:04.18 | Wyzard | atp: OBSD has a steeper learning curve than most Linuxes too |
| 04:04.20 | Duelist | atp: if the guy runs OpenBSD, learning Debian should be a cake walk |
| 04:04.28 | atp | openbsd is pretty easy actually |
| 04:04.35 | kjm | Wyzard : sure. We all have different motivations and methods. I prefer reading man pages/documentation and knowing that my server is working. |
| 04:04.40 | atp | much easier to install than debian, anyway hehe |
| 04:04.53 | frizkybitz | i now have 12800fps and a wm. it's gnome ;( but I'm fine with it |
| 04:04.53 | kjm | But, I also use debian as my homes gateway server and not as a desktop anyways. |
| 04:04.58 | Wyzard | kjm: Well, I'm talking about my personal desktop, not a server :-) |
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| 04:05.01 | atp | actually though to be honest in a production environment i often feel safer with bsd than with gnu/linux |
| 04:05.15 | atp | although i personally use gnu/linux mostly |
| 04:05.18 | deadcat | haha. accidently ran my sysrestore script and overwrote all the config files. reinstalling again (= |
| 04:05.26 | kjm | Wyzard : there's our difference. :) Mepis is my desktop...... |
| 04:06.14 | LinuxNIT-laptop | deadcat, you should make the script ask if your sure ya wanna run it ;) |
| 04:06.14 | teknoprep | i have vmware asing me for the C compiler info in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 04:06.16 | teknoprep | i have that folder |
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| 04:06.28 | teknoprep | i apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 04:06.29 | Wyzard | I'll be getting a new laptop soon and I've considered installing Ubuntu on it, but I think I'll stick with sid |
| 04:06.34 | deadcat | LinuxNIT-laptop: ya. i forgot the -i option. which i usually use. so i am just gonna -i as default now |
| 04:06.42 | teknoprep | and decompressed it... any ideas of anything else i need? |
| 04:06.45 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 04:06.59 | Wyzard | teknoprep: If you're using a precompiled kernel (which you probably are) then what you need is the corresponding linux-headers package |
| 04:07.00 | kjm | I had Ubuntu on my iBook for a little while, and I settled on PPC-Debian and sid. Worked quite well. |
| 04:07.09 | Wyzard | teknoprep: You don't need linux-source unless you're compiling a custom kernel |
| 04:07.29 | teknoprep | hold i will tell you what vmware is asking fo |
| 04:07.42 | deadcat | LinuxNIT-laptop: i usually do sysrestore -m hourly -i /pat/to/file, but i just ran sysrestore -m hourly and forgot -i which will ask about everyfile. that was what i wanted to do (= |
| 04:07.55 | teknoprep | its asks... What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? |
| 04:08.09 | teknoprep | its default is set to ... /usr/src/linux/include |
| 04:08.17 | Wyzard | kjm: I have a habit of trying stuff out just for the sake of learning... on this laptop I'm using LVM on top of dm-crypt (encrypted hard drive), even though it's a 15GB drive with nothing particularly sensitive on it |
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| 04:08.46 | teknoprep | so i did... apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8... then tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.8... then ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux |
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| 04:08.53 | Wyzard | teknoprep: Again, you need the linux-headers package, not the linux-source package |
| 04:09.02 | teknoprep | ahh |
| 04:09.02 | teknoprep | ty |
| 04:09.11 | tam | hi all, i asked this question last night. but forgot something about it. in procmail what do i put at the end of a recipe so that all other mail that doesn't meeet the criteria goes into my default inbox? |
| 04:09.21 | DimmuR | stew: great thanks for advice - after /etc/init.d/network restart i've got message "/etc/network/options is depricated" Since this file was empty i just deleted it and all works :) |
| 04:09.25 | Wyzard | teknoprep: VMware needs to compile two kernel modules, and to compile a kernel module you need the *configured* headers matching the kernel the module is being compiled for |
| 04:09.36 | kjm | Wyzard : you must have more patience than me :) Although that is how I originally got into *nix....just wanted to try getting Slackware on a laptop back in '99....that was a learning experience :) |
| 04:09.42 | teknoprep | i got it |
| 04:09.48 | Wyzard | teknoprep: linux-headers gives you the configured headers matching the linux-image (precompiled kernel package) you're using |
| 04:09.49 | teknoprep | i was doing source not headers |
| 04:09.52 | teknoprep | as was stated above |
| 04:09.58 | stew | DimmuR: that /etc/network/options message should have only been a warning |
| 04:10.03 | kjm | Wyzard : now I'm just happy having my home network working smoothly ;P |
| 04:10.06 | Wyzard | teknoprep: linux-source is the full unconfigured source tree... you'd use that if you were going to compile a custom kernel |
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| 04:10.35 | teknoprep | no i did an apt-get install kernel-source-(precompiled kernel) |
| 04:10.38 | teknoprep | that got it for me |
| 04:10.52 | DimmuR | stew: with this fie (empty ofc) even lo interface was configured - without this file eth0 and lo is configured properly |
| 04:11.01 | teknoprep | no i did an apt-get install kernel-headers-(precompiled kernel) |
| 04:11.09 | teknoprep | lol |
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| 04:11.34 | teknoprep | hmm maby i am wrong |
| 04:11.34 | teknoprep | wtf |
| 04:11.41 | Wyzard | teknoprep: That works... it'd be either "kernel-headers" or "linux-headers" depending on the version |
| 04:11.48 | tam | ~repeat |
| 04:11.50 | apt | i guess repeat is probably If nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg apt ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask me about "rephrase", or ask smart questions |
| 04:11.55 | teknoprep | where are the kernel-headers installed to |
| 04:11.55 | Wyzard | teknoprep: What kernel are you using? |
| 04:11.57 | teknoprep | what diretory? |
| 04:11.59 | teknoprep | 2.6.8 |
| 04:12.02 | teknoprep | hold let me get full info |
| 04:12.17 | Wyzard | teknoprep: You'll get a headers directory in /usr/src, I believe |
| 04:12.27 | Wyzard | teknoprep: I use custom kernels so I can't check that myself though |
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| 04:13.11 | Wyzard | teknoprep: When I've configured VMware, though, its default for that question was /lib/modules/(version)/build, which is a symlink to the appropriate headers directory |
| 04:13.23 | Wyzard | teknoprep: You might want to check whether you have that symlink |
| 04:13.35 | LinuxNIT-laptop | Wyzard, yeah my headers are in /usr/src |
| 04:13.42 | teknoprep | hey whats the cmd to show what kernel you are running again |
| 04:13.43 | teknoprep | i forget |
| 04:13.52 | teknoprep | been awhile |
| 04:13.53 | Tortel | uname -r |
| 04:13.56 | teknoprep | thats it |
| 04:14.19 | teknoprep | 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 04:15.03 | teknoprep | getting them now |
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| 04:15.17 | teknoprep | YAY i didn't get the smp headers and it failed to compile |
| 04:15.19 | Wyzard | teknoprep: kernel-headers-2.6.8-smp then |
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| 04:15.27 | Wyzard | oops, -686-smp |
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| 04:15.32 | bucky | anybody notice the API change in libapache2-mod-perl2 ver 2.0.1-4... wasn't that fun |
| 04:15.40 | Tortel | !ops ban (n=oyeuzi@85.102.200.161) |
| 04:15.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ban (n=oyeuzi@85.102.200.161) |
| 04:15.53 | Tortel | fucking hoppers |
| 04:15.59 | teknoprep | YAY |
| 04:16.00 | teknoprep | working now |
| 04:16.03 | Wyzard | cool |
| 04:16.08 | golly | whats a hopper? |
| 04:16.11 | teknoprep | running this on an IBM Blade server running ESX |
| 04:16.13 | teknoprep | its pretty sweet |
| 04:16.27 | Wyzard | ah... I've only used Workstation |
| 04:16.38 | teknoprep | trying to use an extra blade for a test environment to see the feasibility for thin clients with linux |
| 04:16.42 | Wyzard | I'm confused though... isn't ESX basically an OS in itself? |
| 04:16.46 | teknoprep | yes |
| 04:16.46 | Wyzard | You wouldn't run it on top of Debian |
| 04:16.54 | teknoprep | no you would run debian inside of it |
| 04:17.00 | teknoprep | as a virtual machine |
| 04:17.03 | Wyzard | oh, I see, you're installing the tools |
| 04:17.06 | teknoprep | yeah |
| 04:17.07 | LinuxNIT-laptop | whats the most recent kernel? |
| 04:17.32 | Wyzard | I was thinking of the vmnet and vmmon modules that get built on the host system when installing Workstation |
| 04:18.29 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT-laptop: 2.6.14, unless 2.6.15 has been released recently |
| 04:18.35 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT-laptop: Check www.kernel.org |
| 04:18.41 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ah |
| 04:18.44 | LinuxNIT-laptop | cool thanks |
| 04:18.54 | LinuxNIT-laptop | guess im outta date lol |
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| 04:20.09 | teknoprep | dude thin clients with VMware adds some realy nice backup solutions to an entire enterprise |
| 04:20.14 | teknoprep | and you can run this stuff on shit hardware |
| 04:20.16 | teknoprep | its so sweet |
| 04:20.26 | teknoprep | i hope this pass's |
| 04:20.36 | teknoprep | if it does.. i get a raise for saving like thousands of dollars |
| 04:20.44 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 04:21.04 | teknoprep | vmware esx is awesome right now for servers... basically if we have to take something down we can start it up on any other esx server |
| 04:21.14 | teknoprep | or even in our GSX test environment if we had to |
| 04:21.25 | teknoprep | Virutal Center is sick |
| 04:22.25 | teknoprep | for windows apps we are going to use a windows Terminal Services Server that we just RDP into... |
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| 04:22.34 | teknoprep | this is going to be sweet |
| 04:22.46 | teknoprep | thanx fot the help guys.. its been awhile since i used linux as a desktop os |
| 04:23.03 | britt | what module do i look for if i want to secure SSH down? |
| 04:23.27 | Wyzard | teknoprep: Good luck with getting your raise :-) |
| 04:23.31 | teknoprep | lol |
| 04:23.42 | Wyzard | britt: Your question isn't very clear... what sort of "module" do you mean? |
| 04:24.13 | stew | britt: secure it how? |
| 04:24.24 | Wyzard | britt: and what sort of lockdown do you want to do on SSH? (Disable password authentication? Disable it entirely? etc.) |
| 04:24.51 | teknoprep | britt ? |
| 04:24.52 | teknoprep | wtf |
| 04:25.09 | teknoprep | you could use IPTABLES to lock it down to only allow from ip's or ip ranges |
| 04:25.25 | teknoprep | or you could lock it down by only allowing certain users to log in through ssh |
| 04:25.54 | teknoprep | you could use RSA-KEYS so you had to have the key to log in.. but then it doesn't require a user and pass |
| 04:26.02 | teknoprep | each key could represent a user |
| 04:26.08 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how do you lock it down to the point where the user can only view certain folders? |
| 04:26.14 | teknoprep | and you can even lock the user down to only certain folders |
| 04:26.19 | LinuxNIT-laptop | lol |
| 04:26.30 | LinuxNIT-laptop | teknoprep, how? |
| 04:26.30 | Wyzard | teknoprep: Well, you still provide a username when you log in... but you authenticate with a public-key challenge rather than with a password |
| 04:26.46 | teknoprep | Wyzard no you can do a full RSA-KEY setup with no user and pass |
| 04:26.51 | teknoprep | i do that with all my clustered servers |
| 04:27.05 | teknoprep | so they can copy configs to eachother over scp with no user and pass over a private subnet |
| 04:27.10 | stew | teknoprep: what does no user mean? |
| 04:27.19 | teknoprep | hold let me get the doc on it |
| 04:27.25 | teknoprep | you don't have to type in the password for the user |
| 04:27.31 | teknoprep | let me check something brb |
| 04:27.33 | stew | the "no user"? |
| 04:27.53 | Wyzard | teknoprep: You don't have to type the password for the user because the public key is being used instead, and the key is presumably cached in ssh-agent |
| 04:28.12 | teknoprep | scp -r -i /root/rsync-key /etc/ppp root@firewall02:/etc |
| 04:28.21 | stew | teknoprep: how is that "no user" ? |
| 04:28.26 | teknoprep | cp's firewall01 to firewall02 with no password |
| 04:28.38 | teknoprep | of course the user is root |
| 04:28.46 | Wyzard | teknoprep: The "root@" part is specifying a user :-) |
| 04:28.51 | teknoprep | yeah i know |
| 04:28.53 | teknoprep | i meant no pass |
| 04:29.29 | Wyzard | teknoprep: I do that all the time (for shell sessions, not SCP) using ssh-agent |
| 04:29.36 | britt | what module do i look for if i want to secure SSH down? |
| 04:29.47 | stew | britt: secure in what way? |
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| 04:29.56 | britt | stew: no password |
| 04:30.00 | britt | private key |
| 04:30.03 | teknoprep | Wyzard i do it with scp for copying config files securly between clustered servers |
| 04:30.07 | teknoprep | i perfer it this way |
| 04:30.09 | britt | very secure...i've been haxored |
| 04:30.18 | stew | britt: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config ; man sshd_config ; disable password and challenge/response |
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| 04:30.32 | Wyzard | britt: Disable PasswordAuthentication in sshd_config |
| 04:30.57 | britt | Wyzard: isnt that essential to making sure only the *right* people get access? |
| 04:30.57 | Wyzard | britt: Have users generate keypairs with ssh-keygen, and install them in their ~/.ssh/authorized-keys on the target machine |
| 04:31.05 | britt | okay |
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| 04:31.49 | stew | britt: you also may want to check md5sums of installed packages, and/or reinstall packages |
| 04:31.49 | britt | its asking me for what type of key....what should i do? |
| 04:31.55 | vasundhar | Hi I have a question .Can you export keys ... so that U can have same sign on other machines? |
| 04:31.55 | stew | britt: dsa |
| 04:32.02 | britt | stew: thank you |
| 04:32.12 | stew | vasundhar: ssh-copy-id user@remotehost |
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| 04:32.40 | Wyzard | britt: Also disable use of PAM in sshd_config (I don't remember the exact option name) since that can be used for password authentication too |
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| 04:33.23 | stew | britt: you also might consider installing snoopy and watching /var/log/auth.log which will tell you every command that is executed on the box which might help you discover any trojans that were left behind, also check every users's crontab |
| 04:33.39 | britt | stew: i re-installed debian |
| 04:33.44 | britt | on my linode box |
| 04:34.01 | Wyzard | britt: For safety, protect your SSH key with a good passphrase, but for convenience, you can use ssh-agent to load the key into memory for your login session, so you don't have to type its passphrase every time you use it |
| 04:34.10 | stew | britt: ahh that is goodl /msg dpkg secure debian |
| 04:34.32 | vasundhar | Stew : Nothing happening dude |
| 04:34.52 | stew | vasundhar: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:34.55 | britt | okay, now what key do i use to goto another window in irssi |
| 04:35.09 | britt | since dpkg has something for me |
| 04:35.21 | stew | britt: ctrl-n ctrl-p will cycle, alt-number or esc-number for a specific window |
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| 04:35.43 | britt | thx |
| 04:35.44 | britt | :) |
| 04:36.14 | vasundhar | I want to have same key-pairs and passphrase, even when I use other machines |
| 04:36.59 | britt | #PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no |
| 04:37.03 | britt | is that what i'm looking for |
| 04:37.20 | Wyzard | vasundhar: You can copy the keypair to other machines, but it'd be safer to use different keypairs on each |
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| 04:38.03 | stew | vasundhar: the keys are in $HOME/.ssh if you can move them to other machines at will |
| 04:38.11 | Wyzard | britt: Look for a "UsePAM" option too -- it's mentioned in the sshd_config manpage |
| 04:38.42 | Wyzard | vasundhar: If you prefer, you can use the same passphrase on the different keys |
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| 04:39.53 | none | hi |
| 04:40.04 | teknoprep | hmm vmware-tools aren't working right lol |
| 04:40.05 | bucky | ih |
| 04:40.13 | none | How did I change my userhost ? |
| 04:40.39 | bucky | none, hostname? |
| 04:40.43 | none | yep |
| 04:41.22 | bucky | edit /etc/hostname |
| 04:41.33 | bucky | and hostname <new_hostname> |
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| 04:41.50 | ludi | how do I tell if I'm running xorg of xfree86 |
| 04:41.58 | none | Well... I'm talking about the hostname of my niickname, bucky. |
| 04:42.04 | gravity_ | ludi: X -version |
| 04:42.12 | Wyzard | or xdpyinfo |
| 04:42.13 | britt | okay UsePAM is on and PasswordAuthentication is off |
| 04:42.14 | bucky | none, /nick |
| 04:42.32 | ludi | X Window System Version 6.8.2 |
| 04:42.34 | ludi | is that xorg? |
| 04:42.36 | Wyzard | britt: Turn UsePAM off |
| 04:42.40 | Wyzard | ludi: yes |
| 04:42.44 | britt | oh |
| 04:43.03 | none | bucky, look at you hostname... How did I put that in my hostname ? |
| 04:43.03 | stew | britt: do you know how they got in in the first place? |
| 04:43.29 | Wyzard | none: You mean "201009103172.user.veloxzone.com.br" ? |
| 04:43.33 | none | yep |
| 04:43.47 | britt | stew: i'm not experienced enough to know...my root pass was real weak, so i believe thats how they got in, but i also use phpbb2 BB software so there could be a hole in that as well |
| 04:43.53 | none | Did you have any idea ? |
| 04:43.57 | Wyzard | none: That's looked up from your IP address by reverse DNS... it has nothing to do with any settings on your computer |
| 04:44.05 | Wyzard | none: That's under your ISP's control |
| 04:44.08 | stew | britt: there have been recent exploits in phpbb2 |
| 04:44.28 | britt | stew: any solutions as of yet? or should i close down the BBs |
| 04:44.32 | none | Yes, I know. How did I change that hostname of my Internet Services Provider ? |
| 04:44.40 | ludi | how did I just migrate from xfree86 to xorg without having to recompile my nvidia driver? |
| 04:44.48 | Wyzard | none: You didn't change it... your question doesn't make sense |
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| 04:45.23 | none | wyzard, I can't do nothing about it ? |
| 04:45.26 | Wyzard | none: "veloxzone.com.br" is your ISP, and "201009103172.user" is the name your ISP gives to the IP address it gave you |
| 04:45.28 | bucky | none, you don't have a static ip.. if you want a domain mask you could ask lilo |
| 04:45.51 | none | ok |
| 04:46.04 | tam | with procmail * ^Subject:.******SPAM***** |
| 04:46.07 | ludi | I just migrated from xfree86 to xorg. How come I didn't have to recompile my nvidia driver? |
| 04:46.19 | Wyzard | none: If you want to change what it looks like here on freenode, ask lilo, like bucky said... if you want to change it "for real", not just on freenode, you'll need to make arrangements with your ISP |
| 04:46.20 | atp | ludi: isn't nvidia closed source? |
| 04:46.27 | tam | would the above line specifiy *****SPAM***** or ******SPAM***** <-- one extra * |
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| 04:46.41 | ludi | atp: yea |
| 04:46.44 | none | wyzard, well... how I do that ? |
| 04:46.47 | Wyzard | ludi: because XFree86 and XOrg use the same module ABI, so the same video driver works with both |
| 04:46.54 | none | lilo, is away |
| 04:46.59 | atp | ludi: so how would you "recompile" it? |
| 04:46.59 | none | unfortunately |
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| 04:47.46 | Wyzard | atp: The nVidia kernel module consists of a precompiled blob and some "glue" code which gets compiled against the current kernel and then linked to the precompiled blob |
| 04:47.59 | atp | Wyzard: oh. |
| 04:48.02 | Wyzard | atp: The "glue" code is to deal with ABI differences between kernel versions |
| 04:48.10 | atp | closed source sucks :( |
| 04:48.32 | Wyzard | ludi: Anyway, the nVidia kernel module is part of the kernel and doesn't even care whether you're using XFree86 or XOrg |
| 04:49.07 | ludi | how come each time I login to gnome 2.10 (debian testing), my volume is muted? |
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| 04:49.12 | Wyzard | ludi: nvidia-glx is the XFree86/XOrg driver (which uses services provided by the kernel module), and it works with both because they both use the same driver ABI |
| 04:51.13 | ludi | when I login to gnome (2.10, debian testing) it hangs for about 10 seconds. blank desktop, no icons. the panel at the top and bottom are present, but no icons. and then after 10 seconds, everything appears like normal. |
| 04:51.55 | Wyzard | ludi: How fast is the computer? |
| 04:52.16 | ludi | Wyzard: P4-3.06 |
| 04:52.27 | ludi | it wasn't doing this hang thing before I upgraded to testing from sarge |
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| 04:52.53 | Wyzard | ludi: hmm... it's normal for the panel applets to take a few seconds to load on my laptop, which is a 700MHz PIII, but not on something that fast |
| 04:53.15 | none | wyzard, why can't I connect in others webs of IRC ? |
| 04:53.31 | Wyzard | none: I don't understand your question |
| 04:53.37 | none | It looks like hell |
| 04:53.45 | Wyzard | none: Do you mean connecting to other IRC networks? Like EFnet, etc? |
| 04:53.50 | none | yep |
| 04:54.19 | none | example... dalnet |
| 04:54.24 | none | I can't connect |
| 04:54.32 | none | And I don't know why |
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| 04:55.13 | stew | my guess is good ol rfc1413 |
| 04:55.15 | none | I almost open the random ports, put new configurations in my client |
| 04:55.22 | none | but I just can't connect |
| 04:55.22 | none | ;P |
| 04:55.35 | drusscol | is it just me, or does k3b have broken dependencies in testing? |
| 04:55.46 | none | [00:54:59] Closing Link: 0.0.0.0 ([AKILL ID:1039081090K-e] [exp/identd] IRC clients from your domain are required to respond to identd requests in order to connect to DALnet. Send email to exploits@dal.net with [exp/ident] as the subject, or visit http://kline.dal.net/exploits/ident.h (2005/12/12 15.23)) |
| 04:55.51 | Wyzard | none: I have no idea... there are many things that could possibly cause various forms of connection trouble, and you haven't provided enough information to even begin to diagnose the cause |
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| 04:56.01 | Wyzard | none: OK, you need identd |
| 04:56.15 | stew | drusscol: its currently not in testing /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
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| 04:56.28 | none | wyzard, what ? |
| 04:56.37 | none | I have set already |
| 04:56.40 | stew | drusscol: and /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
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| 04:57.04 | Wyzard | none: Make sure you've opened the right port for it |
| 04:57.26 | none | I have open a 113 port |
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| 04:57.57 | Wyzard | none: Freenode (this network) does an ident check when you connect, though it doesn't disconnect you if it fails... but you can examine the messages you see when connection to Freenode, to see whether your ident is working |
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| 04:58.05 | Wyzard | none: Maybe your ISP is blocking it or something |
| 04:58.13 | iKernel | http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/Packages/10.0/FlightGear-0.9.9-i686-2.tgz Free, 79 meg flight sim for linux :) |
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| 04:58.25 | none | wyzard, okay |
| 04:58.28 | drusscol | ugh |
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| 04:58.35 | none | thank's for everything, dude |
| 04:59.00 | none | arck, you bastard ;P |
| 04:59.13 | none | I have opened the PVT already |
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| 04:59.19 | drusscol | so kde 3.4 is incompletely in testing, or it's not in testing at all? |
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| 04:59.26 | Arck | lol |
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| 04:59.34 | oblib | Anyone know how to unload the nvidia module for suspend? |
| 04:59.53 | FunnyLookinHat | Does anyone know what the default file is for storing networking info for ifconfig, especially for a connection labeled at eth0 ? |
| 05:00.02 | stew | drusscol: incomplete, parts were removed so that the core could transition and not all of it that was removed has transitioned in from unstable again yet |
| 05:00.10 | maher | FunnyLookinHat: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:00.14 | drusscol | in that case, can anyone recommend a good burning program that's not k3b? |
| 05:00.14 | stew | FunnyLookinHat: man interfaces |
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| 05:00.29 | FunnyLookinHat | maher stew Thanks |
| 05:01.10 | teknoprep | by default what does Debian use for sound? |
| 05:01.14 | teknoprep | alsa? |
| 05:01.50 | maher | teknoprep: oss afaik |
| 05:01.53 | stew | teknoprep: there isn't a default, it supports both oss and alsa |
| 05:01.58 | Wyzard | teknoprep: Both are probably available in the precompiled kernels, though I'm not 100% sure of that |
| 05:02.08 | Wyzard | teknoprep: Use ALSA if at all possible |
| 05:02.14 | stew | teknoprep: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 05:02.45 | maher | teknoprep: check you have the alsa packages installed if you want to use alsa |
| 05:02.46 | teknoprep | not now |
| 05:02.48 | teknoprep | later lol |
| 05:03.14 | teknoprep | i have to go |
| 05:03.15 | teknoprep | later all |
| 05:03.17 | teknoprep | have a great night |
| 05:04.06 | doleyb | drusscol: mkisofs -rJ filename|cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=4 - |
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| 05:06.22 | reikon | i have a cd-rom thats stuck...it won't eject, won't unmount and can't be accessed..and i'm kind of doing stuff at the moment so i can't restart...any suggestions? |
| 05:06.53 | doleyb | reikon: tried lsof|grep cdrom ? |
| 05:07.01 | stew | reikon: use lsof or fuser to figure out what is open and not letting you unmout it |
| 05:07.06 | vasundhar | I guess you have umounted in the cdrom drive : a common mistake |
| 05:07.30 | vasundhar | reikon: ? |
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| 05:08.05 | doleyb | Its not uncommon that if a cd-r was burned with errors, linux can take minutes to time it out (inside a single syscall) |
| 05:08.25 | reikon | no...actually i was importing music...when it suddenly disappeared off the desktop in GNOME and kind of locked up... |
| 05:09.13 | vasundhar | try mounting again and then do umount again |
| 05:09.21 | doleyb | reikon: so, what does lsof tell you? |
| 05:09.22 | reikon | already did |
| 05:09.27 | reikon | won't mount |
| 05:09.35 | vasundhar | Hmmm ... |
| 05:09.41 | reikon | says 3 entries of media/cdrom |
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| 05:10.12 | doleyb | reikon: kill em all. then kill -9 them all. then, that still might not work, but hope. |
| 05:10.18 | stew | reikon: lsaof says 3 entries? thats certainly why you cannot unmount it. you need to kill those processes |
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| 05:13.41 | reikon | still won't eject...same error "eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument" |
| 05:14.50 | stew | reikon: is it unmounted now? |
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| 05:17.19 | reikon | yes... |
| 05:17.24 | reikon | i believe... |
| 05:17.45 | doleyb | reikon: don't "believe". run mount|grep cd |
| 05:17.48 | EdLin | !tell reikon -about enter |
| 05:18.19 | reikon | yes it's unmounted... |
| 05:18.53 | vasundhar | congrats hw did u do that ? |
| 05:19.00 | EdLin | !u |
| 05:19.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:19.04 | doleyb | reikon: did you kill those processes from lsof, or were they unkillable? |
| 05:19.26 | reikon | i killed them |
| 05:19.30 | reikon | they don't show up anymore |
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| 05:19.45 | SerajewelKS | vulture: are you still there? |
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| 05:20.25 | doleyb | reikon: so eject agai |
| 05:21.06 | bucky | do you have eject installed? |
| 05:21.08 | reikon | i did and same error |
| 05:21.18 | reikon | if i run eject -r i get Input/output error |
| 05:21.31 | reikon | instead of invalid argument.. |
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| 05:22.27 | ludi | anyone here use nvidia? |
| 05:22.35 | bucky | yup |
| 05:23.07 | ludi | How do I make it so that the nvidia logo doesn't appear each time X starts up? |
| 05:23.18 | ludi | there is the Option "NoLogo" "boolean" |
| 05:23.23 | ludi | but I don't know how to do it |
| 05:23.26 | EdLin | !anyone here use nvidia? |
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| 05:23.52 | ejofee | according to which rules (and how do i set it up) does synaptic download more than one package at a time? |
| 05:23.54 | EdLin | oops |
| 05:24.41 | psychonate | ludi, use "True" |
| 05:24.46 | psychonate | ludi, for "boolean" |
| 05:24.57 | EdLin | ejofee: if it operates like apt-get, it does it according to whether or not they are on the same repository |
| 05:25.00 | bucky | ludi /http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Removing_The_Nvidia_Logo and then msg dpkg xmd5sum |
| 05:25.03 | psychonate | e.g. Option "NoLogo" "True", ludi |
| 05:25.21 | ludi | psychonate: does it matter if it's capital T or can it be "true" |
| 05:25.25 | bucky | Option "NoLogo" "1" in xorg |
| 05:25.32 | ejofee | EdLin: thank you |
| 05:25.39 | EdLin | yw |
| 05:25.48 | bucky | ludi and then msg dpkg xmd5sum |
| 05:25.49 | stew | or just switch to the free driver :) |
| 05:26.10 | psychonate | well, I see people using both "True" and "1" |
| 05:26.12 | bucky | stew does the nv driver work on all the geforce cards now? |
| 05:26.13 | psychonate | so I guess either might work |
| 05:26.18 | ludi | which section do I put it in? |
| 05:26.33 | psychonate | ludi, use the 1 then like bucky said |
| 05:26.35 | stew | bucky: i dunno |
| 05:26.45 | bucky | ludi, we gave you enough rope to hang yourself with ^^ |
| 05:27.19 | psychonate | haha |
| 05:27.25 | ejofee | why doesn shfs crash when deleting something (on the mounted share)? |
| 05:27.30 | ejofee | why does shfs crash when deleting something (on the mounted share)? |
| 05:27.38 | psychonate | Ah, esays take me forever to write. I think my introduction is too wordy :( |
| 05:27.50 | psychonate | s/esays/essays |
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| 05:28.47 | ludi | do I have to do the xmd5sum thing if I'm using xorg? |
| 05:28.52 | ludi | or only if I'm using xfree86? |
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| 05:29.33 | ejofee | ludi: you mean rather than md5sum? |
| 05:29.44 | ludi | msg dpkg xmd5sum |
| 05:30.00 | ludi | says to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:30.10 | ludi | but I thought I was running xorg, not xfree86 |
| 05:30.13 | ludi | maybe I'm confused |
| 05:31.22 | doleyb | ludi: ug, use whatever you're running. |
| 05:31.24 | EdLin | ludi: use xserver-xorg |
| 05:31.28 | ke6isf | ludi: Then replace xfree86 with xorg. |
| 05:31.45 | bucky | md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.md5sum |
| 05:32.04 | bucky | that's all you need to do after editing xorg.conf |
| 05:32.08 | gravity_ | ludi: Only with xfree86 |
| 05:32.12 | gravity_ | xorg doesn't have the same issue |
| 05:32.14 | ludi | bucky: how do I tell if I'm running xorg? |
| 05:32.19 | gravity_ | ludi: X -version |
| 05:32.21 | ludi | X Window System Version 6.8.2 |
| 05:32.23 | ludi | is that xorg? |
| 05:32.25 | gravity_ | Yes |
| 05:32.30 | gravity_ | You don't need to do the md5sum thing |
| 05:32.32 | ludi | it has a different config file? |
| 05:32.40 | ludi | /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?? |
| 05:32.43 | gravity_ | It uses xorg.conf, but it doesn't care as much about the md5sum |
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| 05:33.04 | rjwiii | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:33.08 | bucky | ludi, restart X and see if it worked |
| 05:33.09 | ke6isf | gravity_: You kind of need that md5sum if you do a dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 05:33.12 | rjwiii | interrestin ... |
| 05:33.12 | ludi | no wonder why the boolean logo thing wasn't working.... |
| 05:33.17 | gravity_ | ke6isf: Not for xorg |
| 05:33.19 | ludi | i was putting it in the wrong config file! |
| 05:33.21 | gravity_ | That got removed |
| 05:33.37 | ke6isf | gravity_: Interesting. |
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| 05:33.55 | bucky | ludi, most people read the dialog boxes when setting up X and realize which one they've chosen |
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| 05:34.25 | ludi | brb |
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| 05:35.09 | omgfire | hello folks is there a way to enforce global memory quotas and not per session limits |
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| 05:35.53 | LoneWlf | what's cool front end for managing ldap/samba? |
| 05:36.00 | atp | vi? |
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| 05:36.06 | ke6isf | What is the correct way to achieve passwordless ssh login? |
| 05:36.24 | omgfire | ke6isf: copying over the ssh keys is one |
| 05:36.26 | LoneWlf | ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 05:36.28 | apt | [/.ssh/authorized_keys] rsa, 2 is dsa |
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| 05:36.54 | LoneWlf | atp: seriously? you would suggest vi? |
| 05:37.16 | atp | LoneWlf: of course :) |
| 05:37.31 | stew | ke6isf: create a dsa key with ssh-keygen -t dsa ; then copy it to a remote host with ssh-copy-id user@remotehost ; also look at ssh-agent/ssh-add |
| 05:37.35 | atp | LoneWlf: emacs works too, they might have a major samba mode, haha |
| 05:37.57 | LoneWlf | *chuckles* |
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| 05:38.16 | atp | LoneWlf: seriously though, swat is probably good enough to get a working config up |
| 05:38.16 | LoneWlf | well... I guess I should expect such... I am one of those too... alright... vi it is |
| 05:38.22 | LoneWlf | should never have tried cheating |
| 05:38.25 | LoneWlf | *grins* |
| 05:38.35 | atp | LoneWlf: samba is initially a lot to digest, swat can help |
| 05:38.37 | LoneWlf | atp: I have samba up and running no questions asked... |
| 05:38.43 | atp | LoneWlf: oh, i see. |
| 05:38.48 | ke6isf | omgfire, LoneWlf, Stew: thanks |
| 05:38.51 | LoneWlf | its the samba/ldap combo that I ph34r |
| 05:38.54 | LoneWlf | *chuckles* |
| 05:39.01 | LoneWlf | ke6isf: np |
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| 05:40.23 | rovragge | how to mv * from a directory with a larger number of files when I get the error bash: line 1: /bin/mv: Argument list too long |
| 05:40.54 | Duelist | rovragge: try this: |
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| 05:41.07 | KerPlunk | I keep trying to kill a process and it won't die. |
| 05:41.13 | Duelist | ls | xargs mv {} dest |
| 05:41.13 | KerPlunk | I doo "kill -9 pid#" |
| 05:41.15 | Duelist | I think that's it |
| 05:41.17 | Duelist | err |
| 05:41.25 | Duelist | ls * | xargs mv {} dest |
| 05:41.34 | caphuso | rovragge: find . -name '*' -maxdepth 1 -print0 | xargs -0 mv --target-dir=/whereveryouwantit |
| 05:41.46 | LoneWlf | rovragge: find . -name * -print 0 | xargs -0 mv {} dest \; |
| 05:42.04 | LoneWlf | caphuso has the best one |
| 05:42.08 | LoneWlf | lol |
| 05:42.14 | LoneWlf | all opinion *chuckles* |
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| 05:42.38 | caphuso | LoneWlf: "-print 0" isn't a matter of opinion, it's just wrong ;-) |
| 05:42.49 | LoneWlf | lol |
| 05:42.56 | caphuso | and if "mv *" fails, then "ls *" will too |
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| 05:43.07 | LoneWlf | caphuso: considering the nature of his prob... what about -n200 on the xargs? |
| 05:43.13 | caphuso | LoneWlf: why? |
| 05:43.27 | LoneWlf | caphuso: because otherwise you still get an 'argument list too long' error? |
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| 05:43.40 | caphuso | LoneWlf: no, you won't |
| 05:43.52 | LoneWlf | caphuso: are you sure you sure /jk |
| 05:43.54 | LoneWlf | j/k |
| 05:43.56 | caphuso | LoneWlf: yes |
| 05:44.03 | ke6isf | stew: Which key gets copied to remote, public or private? |
| 05:44.09 | rovragge | humm mv:ing some 20000 files (maildir emails) inside the same mounted filesystem takes loong this way |
| 05:44.12 | caphuso | that's the whole point of xargs, working around "argument list too long" problems |
| 05:44.14 | LoneWlf | ke6isf: public |
| 05:44.15 | KerPlunk | How can I kill a process if kill -9 pid# doesn't work? |
| 05:44.19 | ke6isf | LoneWlf: Ah, thanks |
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| 05:44.54 | michal_ | hi. i'm tryingg to get php44 working via apache in sarrge but the web browser keeps downloading the php files rather than what i expect. i believe i've followed the instructions but i'm obviously wrrong :/ |
| 05:45.07 | caphuso | KerPlunk: you can't |
| 05:45.08 | LoneWlf | KerPlunk: kill the process that's using it... if it is dependent on a piece of hardware that's driver is locked in the kernel... you're a dead man walkin though... you'll have to reboot to get rid of it |
| 05:45.40 | LoneWlf | caphuso is again correct |
| 05:45.46 | LoneWlf | what do you do for a living caphuso? |
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| 05:45.58 | caphuso | LoneWlf: studying |
| 05:46.04 | LoneWlf | caphuso: seriously |
| 05:46.15 | KerPlunk | I have an external hdd...and I dropped it on the ground while it stayed plugged in....and I had a program called "unrar" extracting files from the external hdd... |
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| 05:46.25 | KerPlunk | Now the external hdd doesn't work....I know if I can umount it and mount it again...it will work. |
| 05:46.26 | michal_ | does anyone here know how to get php4 + apache working under sarge? i've done thhis before without running into problems but i don't know what i've done differently this time |
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| 05:46.28 | ke6isf | LoneWlf: Doesn't work - still being prompted for a password. |
| 05:46.37 | KerPlunk | Except that I can't umount it because the device is busy...and unrar won't die. |
| 05:46.46 | LoneWlf | ke6isf: check perms... make sure 600 |
| 05:46.59 | ke6isf | LoneWlf: On remote, I presume? |
| 05:47.04 | KerPlunk | michal_: apt-get install apache2 php4, is how I did it...worked fine. |
| 05:47.06 | LoneWlf | ke6isf: both |
| 05:47.12 | caphuso | LoneWlf: well, occasionally i do geriatric and other nursing to own some money |
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| 05:47.35 | LoneWlf | caphuso : so computers are just a game 4 u? |
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| 05:47.42 | ke6isf | LoneWlf: Looks right. |
| 05:47.49 | opm_ | æéŦ |
| 05:48.03 | caphuso | LoneWlf: no, there an essential part of what i study... |
| 05:48.06 | bonz | Is gcc 4 functional yet or does it still bork? |
| 05:48.11 | ke6isf | Feh, I'll do this later. |
| 05:48.17 | opm_ | ok |
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| 05:48.30 | LoneWlf | ke6isf: on remote run 'sshd -p 2043 -D' and leave it open, on local do a ssh -p 2043 user@remote |
| 05:48.32 | LoneWlf | ke6isf |
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| 05:48.41 | opm_ | yahoo |
| 05:48.43 | doleyb | KerPlunk: there is also umount -f |
| 05:48.44 | LoneWlf | ke6isf: checking syntax on the remote line to be sure |
| 05:48.48 | michal_ | KerPlunk, well it just let me download my 40'th .php file.. ie nothing has changed |
| 05:49.03 | opm_ | ssh localhost |
| 05:49.15 | LoneWlf | ke6isf: yeah that's right |
| 05:49.28 | itp560 | if I install something with souces (vim) is there a way I can clean all what I install ? |
| 05:49.36 | opm_ | banned |
| 05:50.02 | LoneWlf | ke6isf: then read the output, sooner or later you'll get to the part where it tries (or doesn't try) to check the files... locally, they could be named differently, or they could just not be checking, if they're not you'll need to edit your sshd_config on the remote and restart sshd |
| 05:50.17 | michal_ | apache2 +php4 doesn't seeem to be an option.. maybe the latest security rrelease has introduced a bug ot something? |
| 05:50.26 | atp | itp560: most projects have 'make uninstall', but this is why packages were invented |
| 05:50.45 | opm_ | SYNTAX ERROR |
| 05:50.59 | LoneWlf | caphuso : what are you studying for? |
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| 05:52.05 | caphuso | LoneWlf: applied computer science |
| 05:52.11 | litage | what's debian's equivalent of redhat's /var/lock/subsys/ ? |
| 05:52.22 | LoneWlf | caphuso : age? |
| 05:52.31 | caphuso | LoneWlf: 25 |
| 05:52.37 | tam | hi all, i get mail from 2 domains sent to one inbox but i use a webmail client when not in the house to send mail. but i can't change one of the domains that i want to use...does anyone know of any webmail clients that will allow me to switch domains on the fly? |
| 05:52.42 | LoneWlf | caphuso : how soon till you get yr degree? |
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| 05:53.08 | tam | caphuso: location ? ;_ |
| 05:53.10 | tam | ;) |
| 05:53.16 | caphuso | LoneWlf: about 2 years |
| 05:53.33 | caphuso | when did this channel become #caphuso? :) |
| 05:53.47 | tam | cos your mr popular |
| 05:53.54 | tam | caphuso: got my spam thingy working properly now |
| 05:53.59 | LoneWlf | caphuso : with what you have already displayed knowledge-wise I know you could 'own some money' working computers part time... lots of money... why nursing? |
| 05:54.17 | caphuso | LoneWlf: why not? |
| 05:54.24 | LoneWlf | caphuso : fair enough |
| 05:54.28 | LoneWlf | I'll chill |
| 05:54.35 | itp560 | how can I change the sensible-browser to firefox ? |
| 05:54.36 | tam | lol |
| 05:55.15 | bonz | tam: it spams everyone now ey? |
| 05:55.16 | caphuso | itp560: set $BROWSER and/or update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 05:56.20 | tam | bonz: ofcourse mate. |
| 05:56.41 | tam | out of curiousity does anyone know if roundcube is in testing? |
| 05:56.48 | caphuso | tam: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 05:56.50 | tam | me is running stable and may upgrade |
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| 05:57.12 | tam | caphuso: ! d'oh. i totally forgot about that...mibbe cos it's 5:57am and i am at work |
| 05:57.17 | bonz | tam: nah but you've got square triangles :) |
| 05:57.25 | tam | pah! |
| 05:57.42 | tam | so is any of you lot excited to use the new Sun Grid? :) |
| 05:57.50 | tam | when it goes live |
| 05:58.29 | tam | goes live in Jan and it's pretty nifty, seems pretty stable apart from minor bugs at the moment that will get ironed out |
| 05:58.43 | SerajewelKS | tam: the moment will get ironed out? |
| 05:58.46 | bonz | tam: if you've done an apt-get update recently you could also just do an apt-get cache search <partial string match>|less |
| 05:59.33 | tam | onz: i did. roundcube isn't there |
| 05:59.35 | tam | +b |
| 06:00.22 | bonz | oops aptcache search rather not apt-get cache |
| 06:01.06 | deadcat | of all the pkg. nvidia-glx is broken in sid. )= |
| 06:01.10 | ejofee | why doesn shfs crash when deleting something (on the mounted share)? |
| 06:01.20 | tam | or apt-cache search <package> :) |
| 06:01.37 | tam | deadcat: pah, i prefer the official drivers. much less hassle |
| 06:01.51 | KerPlunk | doleyb: umount -f doesn't work. |
| 06:01.51 | bonz | tam: yeah that should work, my typing is abysmal |
| 06:01.56 | ejofee | doesn=does |
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| 06:02.17 | tam | bonz: believe me, mines is *worse* |
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| 06:02.55 | benplaut | peterS: i've been told you're a good person to go to for mouse advice... are you awake? |
| 06:02.56 | bonz | tam: if you say so but I doubt it :) |
| 06:03.36 | tam | benplaut: ask us all. |
| 06:04.13 | dusk | whats a good C editor ? |
| 06:04.36 | bonz | benplaut: peterS gives his best advice when he is here & asleep :) |
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| 06:04.43 | dusk | i need something with tabs.. vim is kinda unreiable.. its impossible to close the buffer tabs from minibuffer |
| 06:05.00 | MasterNokia | hello all |
| 06:05.02 | deadcat | tam: really? i prefer the debian source. easier to manage |
| 06:05.13 | benplaut | well, i've got a 4 (6 in xorg's eyes) button mouse, and want the scroll wheel button to EmulateScrollWheel, and the 4th/6th button to perform the default middle-click function... any way to have Xorg.conf do this? |
| 06:05.14 | LoneWlf | what website is it for searching package contents again? packages.debian.org? |
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| 06:05.30 | benplaut | bonz: a true linux user -_- |
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| 06:06.31 | benplaut | also, Xev reports that right-click and the extra button are both button 3, but i think xev just says what Xorg tells it |
| 06:06.36 | tam | deadcat: i've always had problems with the source - hated it. one gripe i have about the official is that i have to specify --kernel-path-to-headers and it only works with 2.6.8 |
| 06:06.37 | MasterNokia | can anybody possibly help me out on installing the debian system? |
| 06:06.45 | dusk | MasterNokia: whats up |
| 06:06.49 | MasterNokia | hey |
| 06:06.51 | bonz | benplaut: unfortunately my tab completion indicates that peterS aint here cause it matches to peterrooney instead |
| 06:06.57 | deadcat | tam: ah |
| 06:07.09 | benplaut | tab... twice? |
| 06:07.18 | benplaut | showing for me... |
| 06:07.22 | deadcat | i like the snapshot d-i (= very base install. no mail. no nothing |
| 06:07.35 | MasterNokia | well. i have installed debian before on my computer but somehow something bad happened and my bios couldnt find the NTLDR controller |
| 06:07.40 | MasterNokia | so i had to reinstall |
| 06:08.00 | MasterNokia | so everything is going good up until the partitioning part |
| 06:08.19 | MasterNokia | it will go, but slowly degrade until it hangs completely and will not go further |
| 06:08.49 | ice_1963 | ram |
| 06:08.51 | MasterNokia | its extremely frustrating. I know it isnt my linux cd cause i just used it on my buddy bills computer to install and it worked 100% fine |
| 06:09.00 | MasterNokia | over 1 gig ram |
| 06:09.04 | jewel | sounds like faulty hardware |
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| 06:09.11 | benplaut | brb |
| 06:09.30 | bonz | benplaut: no threats please |
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| 06:09.43 | bonz | darn missed |
| 06:09.46 | MasterNokia | i hope that isnt the problem, but is the only thing i can deduce |
| 06:10.06 | stdoubt | MasterNokia: have you tried reformatting the drive manually then reboot to run install? are you sure all the partitions are clean? |
| 06:10.12 | ejofee | tam: how does debian handle mplayer? |
| 06:10.22 | KerPlunk | !tell ejofee about marillat |
| 06:10.27 | MasterNokia | stdoubt: no i havent |
| 06:10.37 | stdoubt | might be worth it |
| 06:10.44 | tam | ejofee: the politics behind it all |
| 06:10.48 | MasterNokia | i have no other OS on the drive. |
| 06:10.48 | ejofee | KerPlunk: thank you |
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| 06:11.01 | MasterNokia | it was bought complete and i first installed debian sarge on it |
| 06:11.07 | stdoubt | MasterNokia: might also try to set BIOS to see the drive as "NORMAL" not LBA |
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| 06:11.13 | tam | ejofee: there is just no need for it all. if it is the codes why not just leave the codecs out |
| 06:11.22 | MasterNokia | hmm ok |
| 06:11.32 | ejofee | !tell tam about marillat |
| 06:11.34 | MasterNokia | stdoubt: how would i format the drive manually? |
| 06:11.38 | ejofee | tam: i see |
| 06:11.45 | tam | ejofee: i know all about marillat |
| 06:11.47 | MasterNokia | w/o installing |
| 06:11.50 | ejofee | tam: maybe you can use some ubuntu repos |
| 06:12.10 | stdoubt | MasterNokia: use knoppix or so to run cfdisk on the drive, then you can easily and simply set up the partitions you want |
| 06:12.15 | tam | ejofee: marillat is cool. |
| 06:12.23 | ejofee | tam: (providing that they have different politics, of course) |
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| 06:12.50 | tam | ejofee: heh |
| 06:13.05 | Vilerage | anyone know how to stop gnome from using /dev/psaux for a mouse device? |
| 06:13.12 | MasterNokia | o |
| 06:13.13 | MasterNokia | ok sweet |
| 06:13.18 | MasterNokia | ill try that |
| 06:13.26 | dondelelcaro | Vilerage: it's X that does that; edit your X configuration. |
| 06:13.29 | MasterNokia | if i have any more questions ill come back |
| 06:13.31 | MasterNokia | thank you sir. |
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| 06:13.35 | stdoubt | ko |
| 06:13.40 | ejofee | hey, any perspectives on gaim-silc inclusion? |
| 06:13.44 | dusk | how can I close buffers in VIM? ;p |
| 06:13.50 | Vilerage | (I have a USB mouse, and this is a laptop, and the springs in the left mouse button are weak, so I'm constantly having to stop it from left-clicking) |
| 06:13.54 | Vilerage | dondelelcaro: thank |
| 06:13.56 | Vilerage | s |
| 06:14.03 | Vilerage | damn left-clicking POS |
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| 06:15.14 | deadcat | glib-config script is not found. what pkg contain that? |
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| 06:16.04 | caphuso | deadcat: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:16.13 | stdoubt | dusk: what do you mean close buffers? why can't you proceed w/o "closing the buffers? |
| 06:16.42 | bonz | Vilerage: spend the money & purchase a decent mouse :) |
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| 06:16.59 | Vilerage | bonz: actually, it's the bulti-in mouse |
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| 06:17.20 | Vilerage | do #'s work to comment lines out in xorg.conf? |
| 06:17.33 | caphuso | Vilerage: yes |
| 06:17.39 | deadcat | caphuso: working on nocatsplash on x86 now (= |
| 06:17.43 | Vilerage | coo |
| 06:17.45 | dusk | stdoubt: well, when its annoying. ;p i have to close down vim to close a buffer that im done with |
| 06:17.46 | deadcat | got my box reinstalled AGAIN |
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| 06:18.28 | stdoubt | dusk: if you can't ignore them, i guess that's so |
| 06:18.33 | tam | deadcat: why? |
| 06:18.38 | deadcat | whb: fun |
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| 06:18.41 | deadcat | tam: fun. |
| 06:18.57 | tam | heh, are you trying to prove a point about your typing? |
| 06:19.14 | dusk | stdoubt: no i cant ignore them |
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| 06:19.33 | dusk | stdoubt: but i figured it out, i installed mini buffer, and i just have to click on the "tab" once and hit d |
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| 06:20.00 | secher | Heyas all. I've done an absolute bare bones install for my firewall, and when I enable NAT, I still cannot ping out, or even the internal NIC from another node. eth1 ( the internal NIC ) is configured and seems to be working properly, according to ping 192.168.1.1 (eth1). any ideas what I may be missing? I've installed all the basics afaik: netbase, iptables, etc. |
| 06:20.19 | stdoubt | dusk: that's too fancy for me- clicking and stuff ;] |
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| 06:20.24 | jm_ | secher: ensure that IP forwarding is enabled |
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| 06:20.39 | stdoubt | i think of vim as a colored vi though i know it's more... |
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| 06:21.01 | jm_ | a lot more |
| 06:21.09 | dusk | stdoubt: yea there is a lot to it.. its so unintuative but so powerful |
| 06:21.09 | deadcat | tam: no. what the f you talking about? |
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| 06:21.41 | secher | jm_: used the standard: echo 1 > /proc/../../../ip_forward & iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 06:22.13 | tam | deadcat: oops, i was thinking of bonz not you. sorry |
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| 06:22.34 | chull_ | can anyone tell me the command to stop a process? I opened OpenOffice slideshow.. and I can't get to the borders to close it now. |
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| 06:22.55 | chull_ | NOTHING shows on my screen but that slideshow. |
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| 06:23.19 | tam | chull_: pkill pr kill -9 pid; you are best grepping for that pid |
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| 06:23.35 | tam | chull_: or xkill |
| 06:23.55 | SerajewelKS | how do i add a 'testing' apt.sources line to a 'stable' system so that i can pull in select testing packages, but a dist-upgrade will prefer the stable versions? |
| 06:24.09 | chull_ | tam are there any just key commands ? i can't see a prompt.. |
| 06:24.11 | secher | chull_: ctrl+alt+f4 will take you to a login console, login, do a ps aux | grep office and then kill the pid of everything with office in the output. |
| 06:24.17 | jm_ | secher: do you have a static IP? |
| 06:24.22 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: don't do that |
| 06:24.43 | secher | jm_: yes. |
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| 06:24.46 | SerajewelKS | jm_: why? |
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| 06:25.02 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: because it will upgrade the base immediately |
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| 06:25.08 | tam | chull_: not sure, if you have a terminal window open try doing alt-tab until you get to it |
| 06:25.14 | jm_ | secher: then don't use MASQUERADE target |
| 06:25.18 | secher | jm_: I'm on the firewall now.. I can get out from it fine, but nothing else can, or even ping the internal nic. |
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| 06:25.37 | secher | jm_: clarify? |
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| 06:25.50 | jm_ | secher: wait, your LAN machines can't ping the router? |
| 06:25.55 | SerajewelKS | jm_: hrm well then how would i backport tor from testing since some of the build-deps aren't in stable? backport those too? |
| 06:26.29 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: yup |
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| 06:26.43 | SerajewelKS | jm_: woot... well, see you in a few hours then =) |
| 06:26.44 | woodland | howdy |
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| 06:27.14 | woodland | hello |
| 06:27.31 | secher | jm_: not router. setup is as follows: dsl modem > firewall (this machine) : hub : everything else. Hub works fine, assuming it didn't break between last night and this evening. |
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| 06:28.03 | SerajewelKS | jm_: i need to be root to do the apt-get build-dep, but should i be root when doing apt-get source and the build? |
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| 06:28.32 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: naah, you can build stuff as user as long as fakeroot is installed |
| 06:28.33 | xtheblack9x | if im trying to dpkg -i a package and the last line is setting up wireless-tools does that mean it was installed? |
| 06:28.38 | SerajewelKS | jm_: aight, thanks |
| 06:29.00 | jm_ | secher: ok so you can't ping the firewall then? |
| 06:29.12 | benplaut | xorg is recognizing the 6th/4th buttonas parallel with the 3rd (i've commented out Emulate3Buttons), IE right click. i'm assuming xev simply reads the xserver, as it too reports both as button 3. What i'm trying to do is have the middle-click, button 2, EmulateScrollWheel, and the extra button, i assume button 6, perform the non-emulated function of button 2. Any way to do this? |
| 06:29.12 | jm_ | xtheblack9x: sure |
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| 06:29.26 | benplaut | new, improved, and reworded :) |
| 06:29.44 | jm_ | benplaut: xmodmap can be used to manipulate it to some respect |
| 06:29.45 | stdoubt | xtheblack9x: try dpkg --status <package> |
| 06:29.46 | xtheblack9x | anyone know what i do next to get the wireless card working after i have installed wireless-tools |
| 06:29.50 | xtheblack9x | ok |
| 06:30.30 | stew | xtheblack9x: man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 06:30.44 | secher | jm_: nope. seriously wierd. eth1, the nic internal to the firewall, is configured as 192.168.1.1, and everything else is configured as a node on the 192.168.1.x subnet. it's as about as straight forward as it can get. I'm pretty sure I'm just forgetting a package, mainly. |
| 06:31.32 | jm_ | secher: no, paste the output of route -n and ifconfig -a on some paste site |
| 06:31.38 | SerajewelKS | jm_: wtf, xfree86-common is a tor build-dep?? |
| 06:31.41 | ice_1963 | when i install kde 3.4 testing and i install flashplayer i get no sound how can i fix this ?? |
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| 06:32.04 | xtheblack9x | stdoubt thanks for the tip. its not installed? can you help me install it? |
| 06:32.22 | tam | does anyone know of a good program that will calculate how much bandwidth is going out/coming into eth0 including virtual interfaces? |
| 06:32.28 | woodland | ho |
| 06:32.40 | stew | tam: iptraf |
| 06:32.42 | stdoubt | xtheblack9x: maybe -paste the name of the .deb |
| 06:32.46 | SimonRaven | tam: several. take your pick ;) |
| 06:32.55 | tam | stew: i meant to say apart from iptraf and rrdtools |
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| 06:33.03 | tam | SimonRaven: any others? |
| 06:33.07 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: not a direct dependency |
| 06:33.44 | xtheblack9x | stdoubt i tryed that hmmmm is my command wrong? dpkg -i package.deb |
| 06:33.52 | chull_ | secher, i killed the OpenOffice things.. how do I get back out of control alt F4? |
| 06:33.56 | jm_ | serjaw;it very often works to simply comment out undesired build-depends and then modify the build procedure manually so that requested features are not used |
| 06:34.00 | jm_ | SerajewelKS ^^^^^ |
| 06:34.05 | SimonRaven | ifconfig itself, with a bit of awking and/or grepping, cacti, mrtg/rrdtool+scripting, /proc catting, several more higher-level utils... apt-cache is your friend here |
| 06:34.32 | jm_ | munin too |
| 06:34.34 | chull_ | tam thank you for your help, i killed the OpenOffice things.. how do I get back out of control alt F4? |
| 06:34.35 | secher | jm_: Hrm, should I have an interfac sit0? I'm not using ipv6 anywhere. It's kinda hard for me to paste anything cause I don't have X installed, and I'm not sure how to use epic4 to open a file and paste to #flood. I piped the output from the commands you told me to run. |
| 06:34.58 | stdoubt | xtheblack9x: maybe you're not asking dpkg the right question. -make sure it's 'package' not 'package-foob1-01.deb' |
| 06:35.19 | secher | jm_: to a file. |
| 06:35.34 | chull_ | secher, you can paste in EPIC4 and move with your mouse |
| 06:35.37 | tam | chull_: not sure, try alt-tab again mate |
| 06:35.57 | stew | secher: if you want to get rid of it you can blacklist the ipv6 module, /msg dpkg blacklist ; but i'd recommend you just ignore it |
| 06:36.00 | chull_ | tam ooh.. if that had worked i wouldn't have asked |
| 06:36.10 | tam | ahh heh |
| 06:36.10 | xtheblack9x | stdoubt ya i was just suming it up its wireless-tools_27-2_1386.deb |
| 06:36.12 | secher | chull_: just alt+f7 |
| 06:36.19 | chull_ | secher, ty ty |
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| 06:36.30 | jm_ | secher: you can paste using screen |
| 06:36.40 | chull_ | GAHHHH!! it's not dead! |
| 06:37.07 | stdoubt | xtheblack9x: if the driver for that HW is enabled in the kernel (i don't know if it's default) then your command shouyld have set it up BUT |
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| 06:37.09 | secher | chull_: try grepping for slide using the commands I told you earlier. |
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| 06:37.18 | secher | !screen |
| 06:37.18 | dpkg | [screen] like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 06:37.27 | chull_ | secher, okies :) |
| 06:37.29 | jm_ | secher: or gpm too |
| 06:37.43 | stdoubt | xtheblack9x: dpkg won't resolve dependencies exactly |
| 06:37.48 | xtheblack9x | stdoubt i did update the kernel. ill try booting in the old one |
| 06:38.03 | jm_ | secher: i.e. just go to say http://tnx.nl/scribble with lynx and paste |
| 06:38.50 | stdoubt | xtheblack9x: the package you install with dpkg may need other stuff to go with it -in the case of wireless that's almost a given -try to read up on the dependancies of the package and make sure they are satisfied |
| 06:39.14 | xtheblack9x | stdoubt oh didn't even think of that |
| 06:39.25 | xtheblack9x | stdoubt good idea ill look into it |
| 06:39.31 | secher | jm_: lemme install screen.. oh, man..it's really late.. I have to get up in 4.5 hrs..I have *got* to go to bed.. sorry to bother you jm_ and not follow through, but I have to get some sleep for tomorrow.. meeting with a prospective client. Many apologies. |
| 06:40.07 | KerPlunk | When will firefox 1.5 be out for sid? |
| 06:40.21 | jm_ | secher: no worries, you just need to sort out eth1 and I have a feeling it will work fine for you - as for MASQUERADE I mentioned earlier, http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-6.html and read about it there under SNAT section |
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| 06:41.50 | Tone | exit |
| 06:41.51 | secher | chull_: one last thing, if you cant find slide in your grep, just ps aux | less and look for something familiar, relating to openoffice or somesuch. as a last resort, ctrl+alt+backspace usually will kick you out of X and you can just restart it with startx. |
| 06:42.05 | secher | jm_: I will, thanks. 'night. |
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| 06:43.16 | stdoubt | Q: has anyone here used both iptables on linux and pf on *bsd ? what about pf on linux? |
| 06:43.54 | stdoubt | opinions about either? |
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| 06:43.55 | litage | what type of file should /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock be? |
| 06:44.08 | jm_ | PF UNIX socket |
| 06:44.23 | litage | jm_: how does one make a PF UNIX socket? |
| 06:44.49 | jm_ | litage: with socket() :), i.e. the process will take care of it |
| 06:45.10 | litage | ah =P |
| 06:45.26 | jm_ | litage: first character in ls -l output is 's' for them |
| 06:45.29 | stew | litage: you should have a socket=/path/to/socket in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 06:45.35 | jm_ | i.e. compare to ll /tmp/.X11-unix |
| 06:45.53 | litage | i'm strace'ing a program which is erroring with: Can\'t connect to local MySQL server through socket \'/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock\' |
| 06:46.18 | jm_ | yeah it's not listening on it, netstat -nap|grep mysql |
| 06:46.23 | stew | litage: the default path for that socket in debian is /var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock not /var/llb/... |
| 06:46.25 | Guerin | litage: is the program running in a chroot? |
| 06:46.39 | Guerin | stew: oh, good point |
| 06:47.12 | litage | Guerin: no, the program was built for fedora</spew> |
| 06:47.28 | litage | netstat -nap|grep mysql says: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 4370 1990/mysqld /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 06:48.10 | jm_ | right |
| 06:48.13 | chull_ | I found it with $ps ax |
| 06:48.13 | chull_ | 25761? /x 0:57 xpdf /tmp/0112GS-WorkingWithTemplates.pdf |
| 06:48.13 | chull_ | $killall -9 25761 |
| 06:48.13 | chull_ | 25761: no process killed |
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| 06:48.51 | chull_ | anyway.. it isn't dying |
| 06:49.23 | SimonRaven | killall uses name, kill uses pids |
| 06:49.27 | SimonRaven | names* |
| 06:49.29 | stew | chull_: kill -9 pid ; not killall, killall is kill buy name not pid |
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| 06:49.48 | chull_ | ok stew i'll try plain kill |
| 06:50.11 | litage | thanks for your help with that socket question guys |
| 06:50.19 | chull_ | stew .. still there/ |
| 06:51.26 | chull_ | 25761? /x 0:57 xpdf /tmp/0112GS-WorkingWithTemplates.pdf <-- name |
| 06:51.39 | litage | if a fedora-built program expects the mysql socket to be at /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock but instead it's at /var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock (since we're running debian), will creating a link from /var/lib/... to /var/run/... fix it all up? |
| 06:52.07 | stdoubt | chull: name = xpdf |
| 06:52.20 | jm_ | can't you tell which socket to use in ~/.my.cnf? |
| 06:52.26 | stew | chull_: try one of these: "kill 25761" "kill -9 25761" "killall xpdf" "killall -9 xpdf" |
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| 06:53.03 | chull_ | stew ty |
| 06:53.33 | dondelelcaro | litage: any fedora build program that is specifying the location of the socket explicitely instead of following my.cnf is horribly broken. |
| 06:53.46 | dondelelcaro | litage: but symlinking to the socket should work. |
| 06:54.14 | litage | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 06:57.48 | zophyx___ | uban zophyx pleez |
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| 06:57.57 | zophyx___ | err unban |
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| 06:58.05 | zophyx___ | not the coffee |
| 06:58.18 | Guerin | zophyx___: evading a ban is exactly the worst way to go about getting unbanned |
| 06:58.39 | cewe | hai zophyx |
| 06:58.46 | chull_ | it died :))) finally!!! |
| 06:58.48 | zophyx___ | naw, i just grew the tail through automatic reconnects |
| 06:58.55 | Guerin | !.id |
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| 06:58.59 | Guerin | !id |
| 06:58.59 | dpkg | from memory, id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n |
| 06:59.06 | Guerin | where the hell is .id |
| 06:59.06 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:59.08 | chull_ | i know a lot more now than i did thank you much :) |
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| 06:59.38 | jm_ | Guerin: grep ID /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab |
| 06:59.44 | Guerin | jm_: ECBA |
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| 07:00.29 | jm_ | Guerin: is that can't be arsed? |
| 07:00.37 | Guerin | jm_: yes :) |
| 07:00.51 | jm_ | Guerin: there's country.pl script for irssi too (Indonesia) |
| 07:00.55 | Guerin | IDIndonesia |
| 07:01.05 | Guerin | duh, of course |
| 07:01.09 | jm_ | I have country shell function |
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| 07:02.17 | cewe | GUE INDONESIA LHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 07:03.48 | Daedalus_ | ? |
| 07:03.51 | Daedalus_ | Football? |
| 07:04.14 | dondelelcaro | zophyx___: using your cloak/lack of cloak to evade bans isn't exactly a bright idea. In any case, your ban will time out once I have time to go through and massively unban people again. |
| 07:05.19 | zophyx___ | ohhh, i just wait until by chance i get reconnected enough times to sneak in :) |
| 07:06.08 | dondelelcaro | zophyx___: doesn't matter. |
| 07:06.26 | zophyx___ | i can understand that |
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| 07:09.26 | ejofee | i wonder, does ubuntu increase the number of debian fans (by attracting windows / fedora / mandriva / suse users to ubuntu / debian), or does it rather decrease it (by mostly attracting users of debian)? |
| 07:09.42 | litage | i'm using strace to figure out why a program keeps dying, but i'm not sure how to get more information on this error. any suggestions?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eGzBNk88.html |
| 07:09.49 | ejofee | what is your opinion? |
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| 07:10.17 | Greek-Boy | when trying to compile with perl I get perl doesn't have DB_File module - cannot continue. |
| 07:10.20 | Greek-Boy | i downloaded that perl module and installed it |
| 07:10.23 | Greek-Boy | same result |
| 07:10.25 | Greek-Boy | :( |
| 07:11.04 | Guerin | !wayttd Greek-Boy |
| 07:11.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Greek-Boy? |
| 07:11.10 | stdoubt | opinion for you ejofee: i think ubuntu is attracting people to debian and not the other way around |
| 07:11.39 | jm_ | litage: write(7, "Dec 16 07:01:15 HORDE [emergency] [horde] Forbidden. [on line 32 of \"/var/www/scopserv/telephony/lib/base.php\"]\n", 112) |
| 07:11.46 | ejofee | stdoubt: it's nice for me to hear that. |
| 07:12.01 | litage | jm_: unfortunately i can't check out that file, as it's an encrypted php script |
| 07:12.02 | ejofee | stdoubt: thank you |
| 07:12.06 | stdoubt | yw |
| 07:12.13 | Greek-Boy | i'm trying to install qmail-scanner but it says that it needs that perl module, and installed it but it still gives that error |
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| 07:13.10 | jm_ | litage: then check the things printed before this line |
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| 07:14.21 | meneg | is mozilla-brower now broken on sid or is it me? |
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| 07:15.46 | litage | meneg: "brower" != "browser" |
| 07:15.50 | ejofee | can apt-get be forced to use rsync instead of wget or whatever it uses? |
| 07:16.29 | Flimzy | ejofee: You mean you want to use rsync:// instead of http:// or ftp://? |
| 07:16.34 | meneg | yea whatever, browser |
| 07:16.38 | Flimzy | ejofee: I don't think rsync is a valid deb method |
| 07:16.51 | Flimzy | But you can use rsync, then the file method |
| 07:16.53 | meneg | sorry if i insulted your nerdiness |
| 07:17.00 | Flimzy | or ftp/http to localhost |
| 07:17.10 | Flimzy | Why do you want to use rsync? |
| 07:17.12 | ejofee | Flimzy: right |
| 07:17.13 | SimonRaven | it doesn't use wget |
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| 07:17.22 | ejofee | Flimzy: that's what i want to use |
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| 07:17.31 | stdoubt | SimonRaven: what does it use? |
| 07:17.33 | Flimzy | ejofee: yes... but *why*? |
| 07:17.46 | stdoubt | i never thought about it |
| 07:17.48 | ejofee | Flimzy: when i do partial downloads, it can resume |
| 07:17.50 | Flimzy | ejofee: There's got to be a reason.... and thus, likely an alternate method to reach the same goal |
| 07:17.56 | ejofee | Flimzy: rsync is a better protocol anyway |
| 07:17.58 | Flimzy | ejofee: apt does that automatically without rsync |
| 07:18.06 | Flimzy | rsync is a better protocol for some things.... |
| 07:18.08 | SimonRaven | ls -l /usr/lib/apt/methods |
| 07:18.14 | Flimzy | some things that don't include downloading simple .debs |
| 07:18.22 | ejofee | Flimzy: can apt resume downloading a large file?~! |
| 07:18.25 | ejofee | Flimzy: can apt resume downloading a large file?! |
| 07:18.29 | meneg | it does |
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| 07:18.33 | SimonRaven | duh |
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| 07:18.34 | meneg | try it |
| 07:18.34 | peterS | right, rsync's particular strengths do not apply at all to .deb files |
| 07:18.34 | Flimzy | ejoefee: of course |
| 07:18.39 | meneg | it will resume automagically |
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| 07:18.46 | northstar | does anyone know what directory kaboodle reads codecs from? |
| 07:18.47 | SimonRaven | it goes in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
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| 07:19.03 | Flimzy | rsync would probably actually make deb installs much slower |
| 07:19.03 | ejofee | meneg: that's very nice. didn't know that. |
| 07:19.10 | Flimzy | probably MUCH slower |
| 07:19.13 | ejofee | SimonRaven: thanks |
| 07:19.18 | Flimzy | based on my experience of using rsync to transfer single files |
| 07:19.21 | ejofee | Flimzy: why slower? |
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| 07:19.28 | TraceGreen | hello, peterS , i find when i unload psmouse, touchpad on my notepad is not work. Does all touchpad use driver psmouse? |
| 07:19.34 | SimonRaven | rsync has a lot of overhead |
| 07:19.34 | Flimzy | ejofee: Because it has a lot more overhead |
| 07:19.35 | ejofee | Flimzy: i see |
| 07:19.36 | peterS | TraceGreen: most of them do, yes |
| 07:19.49 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks. |
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| 07:20.17 | litage | jm_: from what i can see, there isn't much interesting stuff above that error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XTvY0M80.html |
| 07:20.36 | peterS | TraceGreen: hardware-wise, most of them are connected to a PS/2 mouse interface. software-wise, there is a synaptics driver you can use for Synaptics brand touchpads instead, but I'm not sure what the status of the kernel integration of that is |
| 07:20.45 | ejofee | SimonRaven: wow, lots of "methods"... i wonder why they don't add rsync then. |
| 07:20.57 | ejofee | SimonRaven: ... just for universality |
| 07:21.15 | Flimzy | ejofee: Because rsync would be stupid |
| 07:21.20 | Flimzy | and Debian tends to do things the smart way |
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| 07:21.55 | peterS | ejofee: basically rsync has several advantages of http, *none* of which apply to .deb files. I can explain further but the short version is: it adds overhead and doesn't have any advantages |
| 07:22.03 | jm_ | litage: hmm it happens after it stats localtime - did you try ltrace? |
| 07:22.32 | ejofee | thanks, peterS and Flimzy |
| 07:22.46 | stew | litage: that log seems to start at the point that horde has already deceded that something bad happened that it needed to log, the something bad that happened, happened sometime before that log starts |
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| 07:24.02 | litage | jm_: i think it errors before localtime, because it's probably just using localtime to build the log message |
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| 07:24.32 | Jar0d | good morning all |
| 07:24.43 | jeoi5453 | hello,does anyone know how to make the kernel screensaver start after a restart? |
| 07:24.56 | Jar0d | i have problem with xchat |
| 07:25.04 | jm_ | litage: good point, but then it must again happen before this started |
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| 07:25.09 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: so with this appletouch driver... do I use /dev/input/mice still? |
| 07:25.26 | Jar0d | when i try apt-get install xchat i dont find the package :( |
| 07:25.33 | SimonRaven | probably. it's 2.6, you don't have much choice anyway ;) |
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| 07:25.40 | stew | Jar0d: have you rung apt-get update? |
| 07:25.40 | jeoi5453 | aptitude search xchat |
| 07:25.52 | litage | jm_: i'll try ltrace'ing it. never used ltrace before. do you suggest any particular args? |
| 07:26.00 | SimonRaven | on macs it's used input layer for ages, since mid-2.4 |
| 07:26.09 | Flimzy | woot! |
| 07:26.12 | Flimzy | my touchpad works |
| 07:26.18 | Flimzy | I'll be back in X... |
| 07:26.27 | jm_ | litage: -f -s 1024 -S -o |
| 07:26.37 | litage | thanks |
| 07:26.39 | Jar0d | jeoi5453: he find nthing |
| 07:27.01 | jeoi5453 | did you run apt-get update? |
| 07:27.02 | Jar0d | no result with aptitude search xchat |
| 07:27.07 | Jar0d | yes |
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| 07:27.47 | jeoi5453 | what does your sources.list file look like? |
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| 07:28.08 | Flimzy | woot |
| 07:28.14 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 07:28.15 | Flimzy | I guess KDE is broken in testing, eh? |
| 07:28.31 | stew | Flimzy: /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 07:28.31 | litage | jm_: 'fraid i can't use ltrace, as it only supports ELF32 binaries |
| 07:28.46 | peterS | yeah, last I heard KDE was still kind of caught in the second C++ transition to testing |
| 07:28.56 | Greek-Boy | Can't locate DB_File.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i686-linux /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.7 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/i686-linux /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl .) at -e line 1. |
| 07:28.56 | Greek-Boy | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at -e line 1. |
| 07:29.06 | Greek-Boy | but I install the damn DB_File lib |
| 07:29.07 | Greek-Boy | :( |
| 07:29.26 | jm_ | litage: sh isn't an ELF binary? |
| 07:30.08 | peterS | jm_: maybe sh is written in csh (: |
| 07:30.08 | Jar0d | jeoi5453 notjing in sources.list |
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| 07:30.37 | jeoi5453 | k,brb 1 second,have to start the xserver |
| 07:30.42 | stew | Greek-Boy: DB_File.pm is part of the perl package. what version of debian are you running? |
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| 07:31.13 | litage | jm_: no idea |
| 07:31.33 | stew | Greek-Boy: it should be looking in /usr/lib/perl/5.8.7 and finding it |
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| 07:31.54 | peterS | DB_File.pm had a bug in perl 5.8.7-9, fixed in 5.8.7-10. |
| 07:32.29 | stew | peterS: but the bug wouldn't cause DB_File.pm to not be found, right? |
| 07:32.39 | peterS | stew: no, it spews a different error |
| 07:32.44 | joie3432 | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
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| 07:33.00 | joie3432 | should have that in there |
| 07:33.02 | jm_ | litage: so you can always run ltrace sh /etc/init.d/blabl start |
| 07:33.09 | stew | peterS: actually since his @INC doesn't include /usr/lib/perl only /usr/local/lib i'm guessing he installed perl by hand |
| 07:33.19 | peterS | stew: *nod* |
| 07:33.23 | joie3432 | n (+tncPLlfJl) TinyIRC 1.1 |
| 07:34.01 | bucky | perl -V will show all that in your @INC |
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| 07:35.28 | pitillo | anyone know if a digital videocamera can be used as webcam in linux? |
| 07:35.34 | litage | jm_, stew: i'm looking above where that horde log message is generated, but don't see anything particularly revealing. would you mind having a look please?: https://www.altcall.com/temp/scopserv_cdrd.strace |
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| 07:36.08 | mhall | Salutations. |
| 07:36.15 | mhall | Is anyone present? |
| 07:36.22 | peterS | no, mhall |
| 07:36.24 | Guerin | mhall: no. |
| 07:36.27 | mhall | :-D |
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| 07:36.36 | mhall | Typical #debian style. |
| 07:36.38 | Greek-Boy | i'm running sarge |
| 07:36.46 | ce^_^ITS | hi |
| 07:36.47 | peterS | it's a pretty obvious answer, you have to admit |
| 07:36.47 | mhall | Greek-Boy: did you catch it? |
| 07:36.57 | mhall | peterS: Yes deservedly so. :-) |
| 07:37.11 | Greek-Boy | no i never caught it |
| 07:37.13 | Flimzy | okay, I need to learn how to turn off the ability to 'click' by tapping the touchpad |
| 07:37.15 | mhall | peterS: Things were acting odd in IRC or I wouldn't have asked. |
| 07:37.17 | Flimzy | b/c that's so freaking annoying |
| 07:37.18 | mhall | Greek-Boy: ;-) |
| 07:37.32 | mhall | Flimzy: xfree86 synaptics driver? |
| 07:37.43 | Flimzy | mhall: Unsure |
| 07:38.01 | mhall | Flimzy: depending on what you are doing you can kill it by changing back to traditional mouse driver in xorg.conf or equivalent |
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| 07:38.08 | Flimzy | I think it's using the ps/2 driver now... which I probably need to change |
| 07:38.16 | Greek-Boy | whereis DB_File.pm, no result |
| 07:38.18 | mhall | Flimzy: there are also a horrifyingly large plethora of options for the synaptics driver |
| 07:38.34 | peterS | Flimzy: yeah, the standard 'psmouse' driver won't let you adjust those kinds of parameters. the 'synaptics' driver apparently will, if you also have a userspace utility of some sort to talk to it with |
| 07:38.37 | mhall | Flimzy: the vast majority of touchpads use this driver |
| 07:38.47 | mhall | peterS: you can add options to the X config file |
| 07:38.53 | Flimzy | it's using /dev/input/mice with the ImPS/2 driver at the moment |
| 07:39.08 | mhall | peterS: i would demonstrate personally but my laptop died a chipset death brought on by engineering |
| 07:39.10 | int_21h | how to update my kernel Linux int21h 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:39.19 | bucky | /usr/lib/perl/5.8.7/DB_File.pm |
| 07:39.24 | mhall | peterS: i picked it up one-handed when it was new and the chipset has a heart attack |
| 07:39.38 | mhall | peterS: it's never been the same since and finally refused to boot one day recently |
| 07:39.47 | Flimzy | will xfree86-driver-synaptic work with xorg? |
| 07:39.53 | peterS | Flimzy: on the X side, yeah. on the kernel side, could be either 'psmouse' or 'synaptics', either might work. to use synaptics advanced features you need both the kernel driver and the X driver |
| 07:40.02 | mhall | peterS: i'm really pissed at the laptop company for making a laptop that can't handle the minimal torque of being lifted off the carpet into my lap |
| 07:40.06 | stew | Greek-Boy: does "which perl" say its running from /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin/? |
| 07:40.16 | int_21h | how to update my kernel Linux int21h 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:40.17 | bucky | Greek-Boy, are you using mod-perl in apache? |
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| 07:40.17 | Flimzy | peterS: kernel-wise, I'm using the appletouch driver... |
| 07:40.17 | mhall | peterS: doesn't that seem like a reasonable expectation from a laptop |
| 07:40.32 | peterS | mhall: that does seem pretty reasonable. how old was this thing? |
| 07:40.41 | Greek-Boy | /usr/local/bin/perl |
| 07:40.46 | mhall | peterS: brand new from this summer; amd64 turion laptop from acer |
| 07:40.52 | Greek-Boy | but i discovered that the libary wasn't installing correctly |
| 07:40.57 | mhall | peterS: it's mostly pretty decent but seems flimsy in some areas |
| 07:41.02 | sep | mhall, lost my acer from the roof to the lawn one story down, the thing was still running, didn't even need a reboot.. (admitadly it looks a bit beaten up by now) |
| 07:41.18 | Greek-Boy | mail:/downloads/qmailrocks/DB_File-1.814# make |
| 07:41.19 | Greek-Boy | Skip blib/lib/DB_File.pm (unchanged) |
| 07:41.19 | Greek-Boy | cc -c -I/usr/local/BerkeleyDB/include -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 -DVERSION=\"1.814\" -DXS_VERSION=\"1.814\" -fpic "-I/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i686-linux/CORE" -D_NOT_CORE -DmDB_Prefix_t=size_t -DmDB_Hash_t=u_int32_t version.c |
| 07:41.19 | Greek-Boy | version.c:30:16: db.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:41.19 | Greek-Boy | make: *** [version.o] Error 1 |
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| 07:41.22 | peterS | sep: that didn't kill the hard drive? I'm impressed |
| 07:41.25 | mhall | peterS: now once i get the manufacturer to take care of it how do i know something else won't fuck it all up again |
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| 07:41.34 | Greek-Boy | sorry for the flood |
| 07:41.34 | mhall | !tell Greek-Boy about paste |
| 07:41.55 | sep | peterS, i was feeling very lucky and am not about to try it again to see if it was just luck or the thing is meant to handle that. |
| 07:41.57 | bucky | Greek-Boy, do you have something against apt-geting perl? |
| 07:42.02 | mhall | Greek-Boy: you need the berkeley libdb dev packages |
| 07:42.11 | mhall | !tell Greek-Boy about pdo |
| 07:42.15 | sep | peterS, still runs 1.5 years after |
| 07:42.16 | Guerin | sep: now try doing that at 2,000m altitude |
| 07:42.17 | stew | Greek-Boy: the fact that you are running perl from /usr/local/bin not /usr/bin means you installed perl by hand instead of using debian's perl which is a big nono |
| 07:42.30 | peterS | sep: yeah, lucky is the term I'd use too |
| 07:42.34 | mhall | sep: strange, my acer could not even handle a one-handed pickup from the floor |
| 07:42.41 | Greek-Boy | yeah but the apt-get package was giving me problems |
| 07:42.46 | mhall | sep: i think i must have detached the video chip partly |
| 07:42.51 | sep | Guerin, think that above a few h7undred meters it wont matter if it's 1km 2km or 10km since it just wont accelerate more |
| 07:42.56 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: this is an id-10-T error |
| 07:43.13 | Guerin | sep: no, it's all about air pressure |
| 07:43.19 | mhall | sep: because ever since then it'd occasionally lapse into video corruption that'd hardlock the box |
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| 07:43.47 | stdoubt | int_21h: in case you haven't been answered, check section 7.1 of the Debian Reference |
| 07:43.50 | sep | mhall, this is a acer travelmate tho, a lot more sturdy then the acer aspire series |
| 07:43.56 | Guerin | sep: at low air pressure, ie higher up, the air bearings which make the thing work have less give. This is why iPods and laptops die if you use them at altitude |
| 07:43.58 | peterS | dondelelcaro: oh come on, don't tell me you haven't measured that |
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| 07:44.12 | mhall | dondelelcaro: oh like i asked a few days ago; do you know about the rules for returning alcohol to stores? |
| 07:44.14 | stew | litage: hard to say what is going on beyond the fact that auth.php doesn't think that someone is authorized to be doing something... |
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| 07:44.29 | dondelelcaro | mhall: I've never heard of any limitations like that. The only that I know of is that you can't mail it back. |
| 07:44.30 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i found out they are allowed to do it to some extent but the store is convinced it's illegal |
| 07:44.47 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i ended up digging into the professions code |
| 07:44.54 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I propose a serious scientific study involving lots trials, planes, and falling out of them. Can you fund it? |
| 07:45.06 | mhall | dondelelcaro: but they won't comply with their own return policy |
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| 07:45.17 | peterS | dondelelcaro: including liability insurance? probably not |
| 07:45.33 | Flimzy | I think I shall sleep, and play with this more later |
| 07:45.34 | litage | stew: how did you come to the conclusion that Auth.php thinks someone isn't authorized? |
| 07:45.37 | Flimzy | thanks for the help, everyone |
| 07:45.38 | dondelelcaro | peterS: you mean you don't want to be liable for laptops falling onto people's homes? |
| 07:45.49 | dondelelcaro | think of the children! |
| 07:45.54 | Guerin | peterS: if you could throw in a few hundred k for bee^Wliquid supplies as well, that would be cool. |
| 07:46.13 | litage | jm_: what should i be looking for in ltrace's output? it's 35,000 lines long =P |
| 07:46.26 | dondelelcaro | mhall: *shrug*; light the alchohol on fire and throw it through an open window. |
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| 07:46.32 | peterS | dondelelcaro: whoever is measuring the velocity has to be sitting on the ground with a high-speed camera or something, watching 5-pound objects fly through the air at him |
| 07:46.33 | stew | litage: its one of the last files accessed before its starts the logging process and the error its logging contains the word "Forbidden" |
| 07:46.39 | peterS | dondelelcaro: never mind the children, I worry about the researchers |
| 07:46.47 | mhall | dondelelcaro: yeah i was thinking about something like that |
| 07:46.50 | stew | litage: actuall, look at this: ":\0\0\0\3SELECT id, data FROM scopserv_config WHERE type=\'license\'", 62, is this product supposed to be licensed? |
| 07:46.52 | mhall | litage: the useful part |
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| 07:47.27 | liable | no need to burn innocent alcohol.. |
| 07:47.56 | mhall | litage: he was suggesting i burn 'alchohol' not alcohol ;-) |
| 07:48.19 | dondelelcaro | that extra h is mighty important. ;-P |
| 07:48.35 | peterS | you should burn alcooh |
| 07:48.41 | litage | stew: yes, the software is supposed to be licensed, but you can only give it the license key by running it |
| 07:48.53 | Greek-Boy | so do I really have to uninstall perl now and the reinstall using apt-get or can i just keep the installation i did by hand? |
| 07:48.59 | mhall | litage: and this makes sense how precisely |
| 07:49.04 | mhall | litage: kind of a catch-22 |
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| 07:49.27 | dondelelcaro | Greek-Boy: you can keep the installation you have, but you need to install Debian's perl. |
| 07:49.44 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 07:49.44 | litage | mhall: one has to wonder |
| 07:50.05 | peterS | Greek-Boy: the installation you did by hand, we cannot possibly support. you can keep it if you want, but we won't be able to do much for you if you're using it. the debian version of perl, we can often help you with |
| 07:51.11 | Greek-Boy | i c |
| 07:51.28 | mhall | Does anybody else here agree that OOo 2.x.x is a very excellent piece of software? |
| 07:51.30 | litage | stew, mhall: i did an ltrace and am looking through it right now: https://www.altcall.com/temp/scopserv_cdrd.ltrace |
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| 07:51.47 | litage | mhall: for the most part, indeed. however, it does have its quirks |
| 07:52.40 | mhall | litage: I for one wish they supported the command line. |
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| 07:53.20 | Greek-Boy | peterS: but my installation of perl will still function correctly, yes? |
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| 07:53.49 | Greek-Boy | by the way, the berkely lib dev package worked, it solved my problem |
| 07:53.53 | peterS | Greek-Boy: there's the confusion about which installation of perl you're running at any given time. I don't see that it's worth keeping both around, if you can get the one to work |
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| 07:54.26 | mhall | Does anybody know where I can get a good screen tutorial? I just got punted off SSH. |
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| 07:54.55 | peterS | mhall: the info docs are not such a bad read |
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| 07:55.12 | dondelelcaro | mhall: apt-get install screen. screen; ctrl-a c ctrl-a c; echo 1; ctrl-a 0; ctrl-a 1; ctrl-a d. |
| 07:55.19 | mhall | peterS: i'll have a look at the html / pdf version of them on the GNU website |
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| 07:55.35 | dondelelcaro | mhall: screen -dr; |
| 07:55.42 | dondelelcaro | this concludes the ultra short screen howto. |
| 07:55.45 | mhall | dondelelcaro: and how do you get your crap back aften a punt? the -dr flag? |
| 07:55.49 | peterS | -dr? I never use anything but -x |
| 07:56.08 | peterS | mhall: 'screen -ls' to see available sessions, 'screen -x' to connect to one |
| 07:56.14 | mo1991 | what is the best way to edit the gnome menu in sarge? I can add programs by right clicking and going add new item to menu - where is the master file tho to edit by hand ? Or an easier way? |
| 07:56.19 | peterS | if you have more than one you can tell it which one, after the -x |
| 07:56.20 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I often have to detach them. |
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| 07:56.30 | Phated | screen -dr will reconnect whatever session you have while detaching it wherever it was if you just have one. |
| 07:56.33 | Phated | Tis useful. |
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| 07:56.53 | mhall | this channel is fucking 1337 and h4x0r |
| 07:56.59 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 07:56.59 | peterS | Phated: oh indeed. I guess this is less useful for me since most of my screen sessions are often attached in more than one location at a time |
| 07:57.05 | mhall | i'm really glad i started chatting here years ago |
| 07:57.28 | Phated | peterS: Oh, aye. I just have one, really, that I use for constant uptime on IRC and detach and reattach between SSH and my desktop. :) |
| 07:57.32 | mhall | peterS: so it can allow you to connect multiple terminals to the same stuff at the same time? |
| 07:57.34 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: screen howto is <reply> apt-get install screen. screen; ctrl-a c ctrl-a c; echo 1; ctrl-a 0; ctrl-a 1; ctrl-a d; screen -dr; This concludes the screen howto. man screen; ctrl-a h; for more detail. |
| 07:57.35 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 07:57.37 | peterS | mhall: yep |
| 07:57.42 | mhall | peterS: what if they are not of the same type or size |
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| 07:57.47 | dondelelcaro | yeah. I find the -x confusing, so I don't use it. |
| 07:57.48 | mhall | peterS: how does it deal with it |
| 07:58.12 | peterS | mhall: it uses the last size you specified. you can hit a key combination ^A^F to say 'resize to current terminal size' |
| 07:58.26 | stew | mhall: my wife and i use it so we can have one screen session that controls the music at the stereo so we can both be connected at the same time and control the playlist and volume, its great |
| 07:58.30 | mhall | peterS: and then what do those terminals smaller than the current one do to cope |
| 07:58.37 | mhall | stew: that's hilarious |
| 07:58.41 | peterS | mhall: they sort of auto-scroll based on where the cursor is |
| 07:58.47 | mhall | stew: no more remote war |
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| 07:58.56 | peterS | stew: that *is* funny |
| 07:59.04 | mhall | peterS: damn they didn't screw around when they wrote that app did they |
| 07:59.13 | mhall | peterS: what about incompatible terminal types |
| 07:59.20 | Phated | stew: Heh, kickass. |
| 07:59.23 | mhall | peterS: does it have some kind of HAL idea or something |
| 07:59.33 | peterS | mhall: screen emulates a vt100 more or less, and translates to whatever your real terminal(s) are |
| 07:59.34 | stew | mhall: yup, and all the machines are programmed so that hitting f8 ssh's you to the music server and does either does "screen -x music " or "screen -S music cplay" if it doesn't already exist |
| 07:59.50 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:00.00 | Mr_Morden | anyone knows how to make Squid to a non-transparent proxy? |
| 08:00.02 | mhall | stew: damn that's more hardcore than most porn |
| 08:00.13 | Phated | Most porn -isn't- hardcore. :) |
| 08:00.13 | stew | i figured that's what everyone did :P |
| 08:00.42 | peterS | stew: I do that with cplay, but I live alone with only one computer turned on most of the time, so it's not nearly as cool |
| 08:00.48 | Phated | stew: We use it in the lab, but just to control it with -dr so we don't have to move to the server - the server has an account music that logs in and runs screen mp3blaster. |
| 08:00.57 | peterS | Phated: what percentage of porn would you say is hardcore, then? |
| 08:00.59 | litage | stew, mhall, jm_: thanks for your help with the strace, i really appreciate. enjoy the weekend! i'm off! :) |
| 08:01.16 | mhall | litage: i didn't do much but good luck chief |
| 08:01.18 | Phated | peterS: By definition, only the most harcore 2% or so can be called hardcore. |
| 08:01.25 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 08:01.42 | mhall | Phated: yes; that was a typical mhall joke in that it's only amusing until analyzed |
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| 08:02.01 | mhall | Phated: once analyzed the superposition collapses to a state of humorlessness |
| 08:02.04 | Phated | Otherwise, if -most- porn is hardcore, then it becomes normal, and you need a whole new definition of hardcore - you'll prolly go to top 5% or the 'hardcore' one. |
| 08:02.11 | Phated | mhall: Heh. Sorry, I tend to nitpick a lot. |
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| 08:02.23 | Phated | (Could you tell? :)) |
| 08:02.25 | deadcat | why we talking hardcore porn again? |
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| 08:02.35 | mhall | Phated: no need to apologize; i was just remarking on the remarkable unremarkability of most of my jokes |
| 08:02.37 | deadcat | because i just missed the intro (= |
| 08:02.38 | peterS | deadcat: mhall said "that's more hardcore than most porn" |
| 08:02.43 | deadcat | oh |
| 08:02.49 | peterS | deadcat: referring to stew's cplay + screen setup |
| 08:02.51 | Phated | mhall: Right. |
| 08:02.54 | peterS | which is indeed a pretty cool deal |
| 08:02.57 | Phated | Quite so. |
| 08:03.00 | mhall | deadcat: i used it to describe stew's mad crazy h4x0r use of screen |
| 08:03.35 | mo1991 | can someone tell me the file where the master gnome menu file is stored? Using sarge - I believe this must be edited by hand |
| 08:03.36 | deadcat | using screen is hardcore than porn? |
| 08:03.38 | stew | we played around with different jukebox software and stuff but screen + cplay really does everything we need better |
| 08:03.40 | mhall | Phated: but about the issue of nitpicking; i'm most certainly an element of set HACKER |
| 08:03.52 | mhall | Phated: and that's one of the set's attributes |
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| 08:04.01 | stew | now if only it was possible to accurrately ff and rw in a long mp3 with cplay, but it isn't |
| 08:04.08 | peterS | deadcat: you didn't hear how stew uses it |
| 08:04.10 | stew | that's our biggest gripe |
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| 08:04.24 | mhall | stew: does this apply only to long files or to all files |
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| 08:04.35 | mhall | stew: it was not quite clear from your writing |
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| 08:04.42 | peterS | stew: it's a hard problem. I have an idea for how to fix it but it'd take some serious hacking and I am not the world's biggest python programmer |
| 08:04.52 | peterS | stew: patches welcome, though (: |
| 08:04.53 | stew | mhall: the farther you get into a file, you hit right arrow or left arrow and it has to guess how far in the track you want to go |
| 08:04.58 | mhall | stew: additionally, mplayer has a keyboard interface that supports all of its commands so perhaps that's possible |
| 08:05.10 | stew | peterS: yeah, someday soon its going to piss one of us off and we'll work on it |
| 08:05.17 | mhall | stew: you could maybe switch to a superios application |
| 08:05.20 | stew | peterS: and probably my wife sooner than me, she likes to rewind more |
| 08:05.37 | mhall | stew: your wife likes to hack? cool |
| 08:05.38 | peterS | stew: my idea is to change cplay from a frontend to a player, to a frontend to a *decoder* that spits out wav data, and have cplay itself actually do the playing |
| 08:05.50 | Phated | mhall: Ah, I see. |
| 08:05.56 | stew | peterS: yeah, that's what i have thought too |
| 08:05.58 | stew | peterS: i'd help |
| 08:06.04 | mhall | Phated: yes; quite |
| 08:06.16 | peterS | stew: it's a pretty big design shift, so I'm not sure if it's appropriate to hack cplay or start over |
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| 08:06.28 | Phated | HACKFORKHACKHACKHACK |
| 08:06.39 | peterS | mushroom! mushroom! |
| 08:06.40 | shay | uh? |
| 08:06.41 | mhall | Phated: roflcopter |
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| 08:07.10 | mhall | peterS: badger badger badger badger |
| 08:07.12 | mhall | peterS: snake |
| 08:07.22 | peterS | it's a mhaaaaaaallllll |
| 08:07.27 | mhall | Ni! |
| 08:07.43 | Greek-Boy | peterS; what is the command to uninstall perl? The one that installed by hand. make uninstall doesn't seem to cut it |
| 08:07.59 | peterS | Greek-Boy: I don't know, I haven't done it in a very very long time |
| 08:08.04 | mhall | Greek-Boy: might have to hunt in the makefile |
| 08:08.08 | mhall | Greek-Boy: ask #perl first of all |
| 08:08.21 | peterS | Greek-Boy: the simple but tedious way is to just seek and destroy perl-like files and directories in /usr/local/ |
| 08:08.29 | RichiH_ | it's a peterS! |
| 08:08.41 | Greek-Boy | ok thanks |
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| 08:09.53 | mhall | yeah, i got some email from a German guy about some mails i posted about problems using certain SMP SPARC boxen with 2.6.xx kernels |
| 08:10.03 | mhall | so I replied to his English mail in German |
| 08:10.10 | mhall | and he replied to my reply in English |
| 08:10.26 | mhall | so now we have the German writing in American and the American writing in German |
| 08:10.29 | mhall | it's pretty funny |
| 08:10.41 | mhall | about as funny as a heart attack; which is pretty damn funny to be sure |
| 08:10.59 | mhall | nothing's more amusing than sitting there while some old geezer takes a huge blast to the ticker |
| 08:11.51 | peterS | stew: it passes that all-important 'python*py' pattern |
| 08:12.11 | mhall | peterS: what are you guys trying to do |
| 08:12.33 | peterS | mhall: he's looking at hacking cplay to change the design to something amenable to a better user interface |
| 08:12.44 | mhall | peterS: oof |
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| 08:13.26 | stew | mhall: cplay is great except when you are in a large file and especially towards the end, if you try to move a few seconds back or forward it jumps you a random number of minutes in a random direction |
| 08:13.42 | mhall | stew: that's disappointing |
| 08:13.46 | peterS | mhall: what's broken about python memory management? |
| 08:13.55 | stew | i really enjoy working in python |
| 08:13.57 | mhall | peterS: they use reference count garbage collection |
| 08:14.06 | stew | much better than the languages i deal with in my day job |
| 08:14.10 | peterS | mhall: they haven't heard of our two friends Mark and Sweep? |
| 08:14.15 | mhall | peterS: no |
| 08:14.19 | mhall | peterS: and Guido won't fix it |
| 08:14.35 | mhall | peterS: because he wants to be backward compatible with some popular but broken core modules |
| 08:14.36 | peterS | well, just avoid circular data structures and you're fine (: |
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| 08:15.05 | mhall | peterS: thereby contradicting his entire claim to put quality design of the language above backward compatible cruft |
| 08:15.22 | mhall | peterS: so the way i figure it you might as well use C# or something that's not broken |
| 08:15.27 | jm_ | isn't he Dutch? |
| 08:15.29 | peterS | you have to admit refcounting is *way* easier and faster than mark+sweep |
| 08:15.35 | mhall | peterS: ideally something with RT safe GC |
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| 08:15.43 | mhall | peterS: mark and sweep is also a pretty bad choice |
| 08:16.18 | peterS | mhall: so what's the current state of the GC art? |
| 08:17.13 | mhall | peterS: well according to my programming languages studies of recent, it's called Baker's Treadmill Algorithm |
| 08:17.23 | mhall | peterS: and it's realtime deteministic |
| 08:17.29 | mhall | peterS: it has a capped runtime |
| 08:17.44 | mhall | peterS: tuning and implementing is a bitch but then you never have to screw with it ever again |
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| 08:17.57 | peterS | it's not in my algorithms book, must be either new or advanced |
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| 08:18.16 | mhall | peterS: yes both |
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| 08:18.54 | stew | its not on wikipedia which i think means it doesn't exist, becuase wikipedia is 100% reliable |
| 08:19.12 | peterS | mhall: ah, never mind, my algorithms book doesn't say *anything* about GC except a couple of references to it as a concept. |
| 08:19.15 | mhall | peterS: http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/NoMotionGC.html |
| 08:19.32 | mhall | peterS: that looks like Baker's own ACM article off his own page |
| 08:19.41 | mhall | peterS: hard to get more reliable than that i suppose |
| 08:19.50 | peterS | yeah. 1991, not quite as new as I assumed |
| 08:20.14 | mhall | peterS: the best part is they proved it correct |
| 08:20.24 | mhall | peterS: with some kind of denotational semantics or something |
| 08:20.41 | mhall | peterS: ugly as sin, but the algorithm is safe if you implement it right |
| 08:20.54 | peterS | mhall: yeah, I'll read the paper. it's not too long |
| 08:20.56 | mhall | peterS: although in that case of this algorithm that's rumored to be a semi-truck sized caveat |
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| 08:23.55 | peterS | mhall: "We use 3 colors to mark the nodes of a rooted directed graph--white, grey and black." --- what's black and white and grey all over? |
| 08:24.07 | mhall | peterS: hmm not sure |
| 08:24.18 | stew | peterS: a mark and sweep algorithm? |
| 08:24.21 | mhall | peterS: this link appears to offer a friendly summary |
| 08:24.25 | mhall | peterS: http://www.iecc.com/gclist/GC-algorithms.html |
| 08:24.35 | peterS | stew: well it's not actually mark-and-sweep, but yeah |
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| 08:25.52 | mhall | is there anybody around willing to inspect a whitepaper on thread API design and/or another on parallel algorithm design |
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| 08:28.51 | mhall | silence is deafening |
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| 08:30.17 | Phated | peterS: A penguin with a tan. |
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| 08:30.30 | peterS | that was so zen |
| 08:30.39 | justnulling2 | trying to compile a module and in needs modversions.h which is only in kernel-headers and also needs hosts.h which is only in kernel-source, how do i compile such beast? |
| 08:30.40 | stew | heh |
| 08:31.27 | eeyore- | mhall: what do you mean by "thread api design"? |
| 08:31.47 | mhall | eeyore-: well it's a great big rant about what's wrong with thread apis and how to fix it |
| 08:32.01 | mhall | eeyore-: one of my professors said i should try to publish it and told me some things to fix |
| 08:32.02 | eeyore- | mhall: did you write that or do you want an opinion on it? |
| 08:32.07 | mhall | eeyore-: i wrote it |
| 08:32.16 | mhall | eeyore-: and i'd like an opinion on my writing |
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| 08:32.39 | mhall | eeyore-: i want to review it and improve it so the knowledge is not wasted |
| 08:32.48 | eeyore- | mhall: not sure i'd be a good candidate :-) i'm happy with the way things are right now |
| 08:32.54 | mhall | eeyore-: because it took a long time to collect the knowledge and think it through |
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| 08:33.08 | mhall | eeyore-: well i'm not expecting anybody to agree with it |
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| 08:33.22 | mhall | eeyore-: if you look it over and decide it's bs i'm also happy to hear that if you have a reason |
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| 08:33.40 | mhall | eeyore-: because there's no sense trying to publish something if there's a convincing reason why it's bs |
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| 08:34.38 | eeyore- | mhall: ok, i can try :-) |
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| 08:36.04 | mhall | alright, awesome |
| 08:36.59 | eeyore- | URL? |
| 08:37.21 | mhall | eeyore-: yeah sorry /m broke cause i lost nickserv during punt |
| 08:37.36 | tvn | what's GC? Graph Coloring ? |
| 08:37.53 | mhall | tvn: garbage collection |
| 08:38.10 | mhall | tvn: evidently your brain needs to run GC to make room to remember the meaning of GC |
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| 08:38.15 | mhall | tvn: ;-) |
| 08:38.16 | eeyore- | grand cherokee |
| 08:38.35 | tvn | ah ok ... :P I've been working on graph coloring and often abbreviate it with gc |
| 08:38.54 | mhall | tvn: i touched on that the other day in computing theory |
| 08:39.02 | mhall | tvn: but it hasn't sunk in yet |
| 08:39.12 | mhall | computing theory kind of kicks my ass and takes my name |
| 08:39.36 | tvn | mhall: that's what I am interested in ... p==np ? stuffs :P |
| 08:39.47 | stdoubt | Q: right now I'm running IPCop for a gateway/router, any guesses on how long it would take someone who's never done it before to replace IPCop with a Debian box with the same(similar) functions? (No, i don't mean with a web interface) CLI would be fine -how hard would that be? |
| 08:39.59 | mhall | tvn: yeah i agree man, there's *GOT* to be a cheat code |
| 08:40.07 | eeyore- | mhall: you're actually going to attempt to solve those problems *within* the thread API itself? |
| 08:40.22 | mhall | tvn: i'm interested in how nondeterministic computers could work |
| 08:40.29 | mhall | eeyore-: that would be the goal |
| 08:40.44 | saintiss | hi, if I download an *orig.tgz, *diff* and *dsc* file, how can I apply the patch? |
| 08:40.45 | mhall | eeyore-: to try to make a language where threads are a first class natural feature to use |
| 08:40.51 | mhall | eeyore-: rather than a hack add-on |
| 08:40.51 | eeyore- | mhall: can you actually solve *all* types of problems within the API itself? doesn't seem likely |
| 08:41.07 | mhall | eeyore-: i understand that i have not yet been totally clear on the details of the solutions |
| 08:41.17 | eeyore- | mhall: what about the dining-philosopher type of problem, that one is inherent in the algorithm |
| 08:41.27 | mhall | eeyore-: i probably need to rant another five or six pages into it to cover some more issues |
| 08:41.27 | peterS | saintiss: dpkg-source -x filename.dsc |
| 08:41.41 | mhall | eeyore-: yes that would be a good example |
| 08:41.46 | peterS | saintiss: it will read the dsc (it is a text file) and find the other two files referred to, and Do The Right Thing |
| 08:41.48 | saintiss | peterS, thanks |
| 08:41.56 | mhall | eeyore-: i plan on deleting the language specific stuff for the most part and going more abstract |
| 08:42.00 | eeyore- | mhall: right, and as such you cannot solve this type of deadlock *external* to the algorithm |
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| 08:42.05 | mhall | eeyore-: because i think that way the information will be more useful |
| 08:42.38 | mhall | eeyore-: if i can't solve everything outside the algorithm i at least want to give programmers a better way to think about their programs |
| 08:42.59 | mhall | eeyore-: and i did my level best to quantify some changes that could make things more transparent for programmers |
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| 08:43.14 | mhall | eeyore-: for example did you ever try to find a definition of what C operations are atomic? |
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| 08:43.19 | mhall | eeyore-: it's very very hard |
| 08:43.39 | eeyore- | ok, let me go back and read :-) you stop me right when you mention the classical problems and come up with the heading "Proposed Solutions" :-) |
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| 08:44.00 | mhall | eeyore-: lol |
| 08:44.02 | eeyore- | that is quite a statement :-) |
| 08:44.22 | mhall | eeyore-: which statement |
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| 08:45.18 | eeyore- | mhall: going from stating the classical problems -> Proposed Solutions |
| 08:45.51 | mhall | eeyore-: how could i make the transition more pleasant or reasonable |
| 08:46.01 | justnulling2 | i get kernel-module version mismatch, running 2.4.27-2-686 but kernel-source is 2.4.27 how do i get it update? |
| 08:46.17 | mhall | eeyore-: i just didn't want to be all doom and gloom forever without covering the ways i thought of or found for fixing the issues |
| 08:46.30 | eeyore- | mhall: well, first off, you haven't done anything to convince me that there *is* a solution, so you ought not to say, "here, I have the solution". maybe try to explore it a little bit more |
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| 08:48.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:48.20 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure populartiy-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:49.16 | peterS | !popcon =~ s/populartiy/popularity/ |
| 08:49.16 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
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| 08:49.55 | ircdevil | sup |
| 08:50.07 | ircdevil | my server has died. and i cant remember where it is ... |
| 08:50.09 | ircdevil | shit |
| 08:50.24 | tarzeau | ircdevil: it's good to have UTP location tools.. |
| 08:50.31 | ircdevil | tarzeau: a what? |
| 08:50.35 | tarzeau | ircdevil: our users move the computers without telling us, during not-working-times |
| 08:50.43 | peterS | hey, it's the evil ircd |
| 08:50.48 | tarzeau | ircdevil: a tool to find out where (geographically) a mac address is |
| 08:51.18 | ircdevil | peterS: its in server camp under the hospital somewhere. i cant remember in which room, and i dont know who got keys. |
| 08:51.24 | ircdevil | and i dont have time for this shit. |
| 08:51.44 | eeyore- | mhall: i don't understand the "control structures and generic algorithms" ... how would you get this "arbitrary order", and how would you possibly guarantee that all objects are iterated if, for example, the programmer decides to arbitrarily remove objects from the collection from another thread? |
| 08:52.03 | mhall | eeyore-: interesting question |
| 08:52.21 | mhall | eeyore-: obviously serializing access would not be very good |
| 08:52.27 | ircdevil | well, i guess an uptime +3.5 years resulted in a meltdown :o( |
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| 08:52.44 | saintiss | peterS, hmm, is there supposed to be a dpkg-source command to build the package instead of just unpacking it? -b doesn't seem to do much |
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| 08:53.05 | mhall | eeyore-: as for arbitrary order i suppose what i'm trying to create is some kind of loop that's allowed to decide for itself how it wants to process the elements |
| 08:53.11 | peterS | saintiss: inside the source dir (the one created by dpkg-source -x), you can run 'dpkg-buildpackage' |
| 08:53.19 | mhall | eeyore-: thereby allowing it to be done in parallel if that's a good idea |
| 08:53.19 | jm_ | or debuild |
| 08:53.28 | peterS | saintiss: if you install the 'fakeroot' program you can say 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' and then you don't have to be root. otherwise you do have to be root |
| 08:53.36 | mhall | eeyore-: it might take more than one keyword to make it work based on how you want to divide the work of the loop |
| 08:53.42 | eeyore- | mhall: and i don't see why reference count makes an appearance in this section :-) since it appears to be an internal implementation detail, if anything |
| 08:54.08 | mhall | eeyore-: it would have been better to describe in terms of barriers |
| 08:54.12 | saintiss | peterS, ic, thanks, I'd have thought it would have been dpkg-source -b :) |
| 08:54.17 | peterS | saintiss: as mhall mentions, 'debuild' is a handy wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot that also keeps a build log and does some other convenient things. but you have to install 'devscripts' to have debuild available |
| 08:54.19 | mhall | eeyore-: since that's a more common model for programmers |
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| 08:54.55 | mhall | eeyore-: but the idea behind it was that there will be times the programmer cares about waiting for the stragglers and times that he doesn't |
| 08:55.45 | eeyore- | mhall: i can see why this collection-dispatch is neat |
| 08:57.00 | saintiss | interesting... |
| 08:57.24 | mhall | eeyore-: the current ways of doing it are pretty unfriendly imho |
| 08:57.34 | mhall | eeyore-: they get bogged down with detail |
| 08:57.46 | mhall | eeyore-: i'm trying to find a way to make a higher level model |
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| 08:58.01 | mhall | eeyore-: but i'm no expert so it's going to take a few iterations to get it to make sense |
| 08:58.46 | mhall | eeyore-: i'm hoping perhaps if i put together something useful that i could try to push the discussion forward and inspire the people who are capable of doing the work by giving them some new ideas |
| 08:59.12 | eeyore- | mhall: i think you should decide up front whether this is going to be a paper about a new library or whether you want to use the opportunity to come up with a clean language to showcase the concepts. shouldn't do both. |
| 08:59.42 | mhall | eeyore-: yes it's suffering from that uncertainty |
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| 09:00.02 | mhall | eeyore-: as far as i can tell since writing it a few weeks ago i'll have to go in the language direction |
| 09:00.13 | eeyore- | mhall: because i see in e.g. lock-free and re-entrant collections that you mention library in one breath and in another mention "languages should ..." :-) |
| 09:00.20 | mhall | eeyore-: i don't think the current ones are high level enough to allow what it is that needs to be done |
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| 09:00.30 | mhall | eeyore-: well the thing is, those aren't language features |
| 09:00.44 | mhall | eeyore-: they'd have to be libraries in any language unless you made them primitive types |
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| 09:00.56 | eeyore- | mhall: you might as well go with a clean language, even if it's a toy one meant to prove the concepts |
| 09:01.13 | mhall | eeyore-: even in python or something high level it'd still be strictly part of the library not the language |
| 09:01.16 | eeyore- | mhall: so make them operators or qualifiers |
| 09:01.30 | mhall | eeyore-: because most likely the code for their implementations would be written in the new language itself |
| 09:01.31 | eeyore- | mhall: i don't see why it can't be part of the language |
| 09:02.15 | mhall | eeyore-: well it would come with the language since it's the standard library |
| 09:02.27 | mhall | eeyore-: but what i mean is, strictly printf is not part of C |
| 09:02.31 | eeyore- | mhall: wild idea ... thread { ..... } on deadlock { ... } |
| 09:02.41 | mhall | eeyore-: int, float, for() are part of C |
| 09:02.43 | eeyore- | mhall: you can come up with all kinds of keywords |
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| 09:02.57 | mhall | eeyore-: yeah they definitely don't have enough cool keywords |
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| 09:03.13 | mhall | eeyore-: i want it to be so second nature that once you have it you can't envision life without it |
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| 09:03.41 | mhall | eeyore-: a language / environment where your reflex is to write a quick hack parallel implementation, and it will actually work OK |
| 09:04.17 | stew | peterS: i'm so doing this |
| 09:04.23 | eeyore- | mhall: if you're gonna go the trouble, you might as well make the signals/semaphores/etc all have "internal triggers" that would generate (again, internal) things you could trap with your keywords |
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| 09:04.25 | |DuReX| | hi guys, got a question :s i have a bit unstable isp, now i set dhcp timeout to 24hours, now tonight, isp died, and came back, dhcp seems to catched the ip back, but i get connection refused when i try to connect :s |
| 09:04.35 | mhall | eeyore-: neat idea |
| 09:04.45 | mhall | how do i log the contents of my irssi session |
| 09:04.52 | mhall | including what is in the scrollback buffer |
| 09:04.53 | eeyore- | mhall: this way you blur the idea of "library" because it's all internal implementation details, see? |
| 09:04.54 | peterS | stew: forking cplay to collect wav data from the decoders and play it separately? |
| 09:04.57 | mhall | and what's happening now |
| 09:05.07 | mhall | eeyore-: right, makes sense |
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| 09:05.19 | eeyore- | mhall: and thus you have *no* library, just language features |
| 09:05.20 | mhall | eeyore-: if it's standard i might as well make it tightly integrated and pull a microsoft |
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| 09:06.05 | stew | peterS: for now i'm going to just start with my own python curses stuff |
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| 09:06.59 | peterS | stew: cplay isn't the only console-based media player, debian has at least one or two others - maybe even in python. so you might check them out as well |
| 09:07.01 | eeyore- | mhall: what "synchronization keywords" are present in current languages? |
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| 09:07.23 | peterS | stew: moc and mp3blaster are what I was thinking of |
| 09:07.40 | mhall | eeyore-: lock () {} and synchronize () {} |
| 09:07.53 | stew | oh i had no idea, i thout mp3blaster was something completely different |
| 09:07.53 | mhall | eeyore-: i need to do more detail there |
| 09:07.55 | eeyore- | mhall: which language is that? |
| 09:08.03 | mhall | eeyore-: C# and Java respectively |
| 09:08.15 | |DuReX| | guys, somebody knows whats the reason for my problem is ? |
| 09:08.16 | eeyore- | hmm. i don't speak either :-) |
| 09:08.22 | mhall | eeyore-: they make it pretty easy to write safe object interfaces |
| 09:08.37 | mhall | eeyore-: i didn't either but i'm getting wooed pretty hard by C# |
| 09:08.49 | mhall | eeyore-: it has a lot of these features working, albeit in serial mode |
| 09:09.01 | asuffield | of course, you end up just using those keywords to recreate the interfaces which every other language uses |
| 09:09.11 | mhall | eeyore-: i think with some creative thought i could possibly make almost all of this shit work as a C# library |
| 09:09.13 | asuffield | semaphores and mutexes and suchlike |
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| 09:09.45 | mhall | there is really only one big problem with those keywords |
| 09:09.57 | mhall | they fail to establish a total ordering on lockable entities |
| 09:10.08 | mhall | so there is the possibilitity of a couple of parallel calls such as this |
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| 09:10.51 | mhall | transferMoney(acct1, acct2, amount) and transferMoney(acct2, acct1, amount) which will result in deadlock even if you acquire resources in the same order throughout your code |
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| 09:11.03 | mhall | because each thread will wait on the other's lock |
| 09:11.24 | asuffield | deadlock handling is an old and mostly solved problem |
| 09:11.29 | mhall | so that's one bug that would absolutely need to be fixed if one wanted to use these keywords for anything important |
| 09:11.45 | mhall | asuffield: but the solutions i have seen are pretty inelegant |
| 09:11.54 | mhall | asuffield: the keyword itself should take care of the problem |
| 09:11.56 | asuffield | of course, java and C# don't give you any useful support for doing *that* either, so once again you end up reimplementing the standard stuff |
| 09:12.07 | asuffield | it can't. the keyword is a worthless concept |
| 09:12.09 | ircdevil | ok - there has been a powerout |
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| 09:12.43 | asuffield | virtually no concurrency problems can be reduced to the behaviour they describe - "one specified function can only be executing in one place at a time" |
| 09:12.58 | ircdevil | and the server did not get back online when switched on. crap - a ride across town ... |
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| 09:13.04 | asuffield | virtually everything either reduces to a mutex or a semaphore, or a group of them |
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| 09:13.25 | asuffield | which is why everybody just uses synchronise/etc to reimplement them |
| 09:13.31 | XTF | Hi. After a recent upgrade of subversion it stopped working: svn: bdb: Program version 4.3 doesn't match environment version. How can I fix this? |
| 09:14.39 | asuffield | and to handle deadlock, you have to go up another level of abstraction entirely, to the transaction/resource model |
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| 09:15.45 | eeyore- | mhall: you can't publish this paper |
| 09:16.01 | eeyore- | mhall: you did not actually provide the solutions you speak of |
| 09:16.26 | Tuttle_ | Where is the cleanest place to specify explicit routes? |
| 09:16.49 | mhall | eeyore-: like i said it's not ready yet |
| 09:16.53 | mhall | eeyore-: it's a draft |
| 09:16.59 | mhall | eeyore-: and i know there are problems |
| 09:17.15 | eeyore- | mhall: well you haven't even drafted the solutions :-) |
| 09:17.16 | mhall | eeyore-: i'm very new at this; it's the first real white paper i wrote |
| 09:17.39 | mhall | eeyore-: i was in a real hurry at the time and i wasn't intending publication when i first put it together |
| 09:17.47 | mhall | eeyore-: it branched out of a project for a course |
| 09:17.59 | tijn | mmh does anyone know anything about that music license? |
| 09:18.11 | mhall | eeyore-: so i accept 100% of the blame for the deficiencies and i full well plan to correct them |
| 09:18.25 | tijn | there was a thing like "open music" but i dont recall the name of the license |
| 09:18.49 | mhall | asuffield: yes i agree with the transaction, atomicity, rollback model |
| 09:18.59 | mhall | asuffield: i need to spend a lot of time exploring it |
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| 09:19.34 | asuffield | atomicity/rollback are database concepts |
| 09:19.41 | eeyore- | mhall: what exactly are we trying to solve? the ugliness/verboseness of pthread? the deadlocks? the algorithms (you can't solve what you didn't write) |
| 09:20.28 | asuffield | all the transaction/resource model does is provide a deadlock-immune system whereby each transaction is either known to have succeeded or failed |
| 09:20.41 | ircdevil | 108 mb for the netinst iso? in a couple of releases the netinst will be a multi cd set. |
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| 09:20.51 | asuffield | it does not, however, do anything about livelock. that problem can't be "solved", you just use stochastic methods and hope |
| 09:21.07 | mhall | asuffield: i think the databases have the right idea |
| 09:21.21 | asuffield | it's only the right idea if your problem is a database |
| 09:21.25 | asuffield | otherwise it's not particularly useful |
| 09:21.39 | mhall | asuffield: i think you can quantify interactions with data into this model |
| 09:21.44 | eeyore- | mhall: but transactions in database aren't suitable for parallelism that you're thinking of, either. |
| 09:22.14 | asuffield | there is no way to undo a printf() |
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| 09:22.41 | asuffield | non-database models just can't do it |
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| 09:22.54 | mhall | asuffield: because nobody designed C with this property in mind |
| 09:22.57 | eeyore- | mhall: if you start a transaction, other database threads will not see your ongoing work under the transaction, so ... this is probably not what you want to emulate with a language |
| 09:23.00 | asuffield | it's got nothing to do with C |
| 09:23.06 | mhall | asuffield: just because C can't do it does not mean it cannot be done |
| 09:23.14 | asuffield | it's got NOTHING to do with C |
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| 09:23.18 | asuffield | it's the PROBLEM that means it cannot be done |
| 09:23.25 | mhall | i'm not sure i agree |
| 09:23.33 | asuffield | the problem does not ALLOW for concepts like 'rollback' |
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| 09:23.43 | asuffield | okay, so your problem is to get some ink on a page in a line printer |
| 09:23.49 | asuffield | you've put some ink on the page |
| 09:23.54 | asuffield | now you need to rollback that |
| 09:23.57 | asuffield | how are you going to do it? |
| 09:24.07 | mhall | but that's not what printf does |
| 09:24.13 | peterS | it might |
| 09:24.16 | peterS | how do you know it doesn't? |
| 09:24.19 | asuffield | it's the same *problem* that printf embodies |
| 09:24.54 | mhall | the thing with rollbacks is that they are intended for use on data |
| 09:24.59 | asuffield | you've performed a nonrepudiable action |
| 09:25.03 | asuffield | that's what I just said, yes |
| 09:25.05 | eeyore- | mhall: even if printf() doesn't put ink on a page, it might already have put something on the terminal, or sent something down the wire. how do you recall that? :-) |
| 09:25.06 | asuffield | it only works for databases |
| 09:25.19 | asuffield | it doesn't work for non-databases, because they don't have fundamental rollback operations for everything |
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| 09:25.29 | mhall | but it should be possible to create a specification of what can be rolled back |
| 09:25.39 | mhall | which while not as good as allowing everything to roll back |
| 09:25.45 | mhall | is still a lot better than what you have today |
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| 09:26.14 | asuffield | now you've got a system that gets stuck. you're going to have to implement true error handling |
| 09:26.18 | peterS | you know, longjmp gets you most of the way to where you are saying you want to be |
| 09:26.18 | asuffield | which is *exactly* what we have today |
| 09:26.20 | caphuso | mhall: that's exactly what we have today. databases can be rolled back, so they are |
| 09:26.20 | eeyore- | mhall: i don't think so ... you'll find most things can't be rolled back |
| 09:26.28 | mhall | hmm |
| 09:26.29 | caphuso | everything else can't, so it isn't |
| 09:26.55 | mhall | but it seems to me like anything that works on variables could be rolled back |
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| 09:27.09 | mhall | which is a larger class of stuff than everything done by a database |
| 09:27.11 | eeyore- | mhall: let's say you randomly put dots on the screen ... how do you roll this back? without having to memorize the original content? but, what's the limit? |
| 09:27.32 | eeyore- | mhall: sure, with infinite resources :-) |
| 09:27.43 | mhall | eeyore-: i'm not sure rolling that back is even useful, but you could always transactionalize |
| 09:27.43 | TraceGreen | Hello, i need a netcard drivier named tg3.ko, but it seems debian' kernel don't have it? is it really? |
| 09:27.51 | asuffield | eeyore-: oh, theoretical databases need infinite storage too. in reality we don't have them |
| 09:28.00 | mhall | eeyore-: the thing is you are also specifying what transactions can roll back |
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| 09:28.18 | mhall | eeyore-: so you can figure out before hand how much a roll back could maximally use up |
| 09:28.19 | asuffield | postgres just says "anything old enough can't be rolled back" and hopes you never try... I think mysql just grinds to a halt after a few years and stops working |
| 09:28.40 | mhall | eeyore-: that's something i propose that databases don't do |
| 09:29.11 | asuffield | I'm pretty sure postgres does that |
| 09:29.13 | mhall | eeyore-: the idea would be that the language rolls stuff back when needed, but transactions won't be rolled back arbitrarily, only when they specifically fail |
| 09:29.18 | asuffield | it would fall out naturally from MVCC |
| 09:29.50 | mhall | and since you know what's in the transaction you know what amount of resources are needed to roll it back |
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| 09:30.09 | mhall | but i did know about the problem with the limits of rollback, just not how to solve it |
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| 09:30.23 | mhall | i think it will come down to creating a simple rule of what can be rolled back and what can't |
| 09:30.35 | mhall | something programmers can memorize and live with without too much trouble |
| 09:31.10 | asuffield | I expect you'll just reinvent MVCC |
| 09:31.30 | mhall | hmm |
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| 09:31.51 | eeyore- | asuffield: MVCC? |
| 09:32.07 | mhall | asuffield: is that necessarily bad since there isn't really a programming language that has the feature |
| 09:32.10 | pif | hi, how do I convert from passwd to shadow ? |
| 09:32.12 | asuffield | eeyore-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mvcc |
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| 09:32.20 | eeyore- | pif: pwconv5 |
| 09:32.23 | mhall | asuffield: it seems kind of laborious to force people to use a DB just because they want that capability |
| 09:32.25 | asuffield | mhall: it's been done in libraries more times than I can realistically remember |
| 09:32.41 | asuffield | mhall: I can't imagine any use for language features here, it's a simple matter of programming |
| 09:32.42 | mhall | asuffield: hmm |
| 09:33.10 | asuffield | also, "it seems kind of laborious to force people to use a DB just because they want that capability" is why somebody invented sqlite |
| 09:33.17 | asuffield | personally I think it's a crazy idea, but it's there |
| 09:33.30 | mhall | asuffield: what's bad about sqlite |
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| 09:33.31 | pif | eeyore- : thanks, the files are already converted but how do I make the system auth from the shadow file? |
| 09:33.39 | tijn | anyone knows a site with information about the Open Music license? |
| 09:33.39 | asuffield | it's insane! SQL for no reason at all |
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| 09:33.53 | mhall | asuffield: what would be the better way to do what it does |
| 09:33.55 | pif | or does the mere presence of /etc/shadow is enough? |
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| 09:34.06 | asuffield | SQL is the *wrong* language to write your problem in. the only reason anybody uses it is because it's what their database server wants |
| 09:34.07 | eeyore- | pif: /etc/passwd entries should have "x" for the password field |
| 09:34.11 | KyKo | Anyone knowledgeable with xmame? |
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| 09:34.14 | pif | eeyore- : ok, they do |
| 09:34.19 | asuffield | but when you've got no database server imposing constraints, you've got no reason to use it |
| 09:34.23 | pif | eeyore- : and this is enough? |
| 09:34.33 | eeyore- | pif: sure |
| 09:34.36 | pif | thanks |
| 09:34.39 | mhall | asuffield: so ideally it would have the features of a database but in some form that's more, programmatic so to speak? |
| 09:34.48 | mhall | !tell KyKo about ask |
| 09:34.57 | asuffield | mhall: native library providing similar functionality without the SQL. like libdb, only behaving like a relational database |
| 09:35.08 | TraceGreen | Hello, can anybody help me? i need a netcard driver named tg3, how can i add it? |
| 09:35.17 | asuffield | it's been done loads of times, but there's nothing like libdb which is the 'obvious default answer' |
| 09:35.26 | TraceGreen | it seems debian's kernel don't have it. my kernel is 2.6.11 |
| 09:35.30 | asuffield | also there's no really good free software one |
| 09:35.48 | mhall | asuffield: my understanding of sql is that it's not very efficient because you are always converting the data to and from text form, etc. |
| 09:36.11 | mhall | asuffield: and this limits the RT-safety of using database-based code |
| 09:36.14 | asuffield | and because it's a crazy language invented by weasels, yes |
| 09:36.29 | bbrazil | mhall: you can precomile |
| 09:36.39 | asuffield | nobody in their right minds would design a language like SQL today. we only use it for compatibility reasons |
| 09:36.42 | mhall | asuffield: i understand the syntactical oddities, i'm just trying to understand the theoretical problem |
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| 09:36.52 | mhall | bbrazil: hmm |
| 09:37.06 | asuffield | you still have complicated pointless type conversions all the time |
| 09:37.11 | tijn | ah! Openmusic license, found it! |
| 09:37.16 | bbrazil | mhall: also the results stay binary |
| 09:38.11 | eeyore- | i should go to bed :-) |
| 09:38.22 | eeyore- | 1:37am ... man, that's late. good night. |
| 09:38.22 | asuffield | anyway, there's no real demand for it. people who can't understand anything more useful than SQL will use sqlite or a real database server. people who can will just do it themselves |
| 09:38.26 | KyKo | Okay, so I have xmame and a rom. I type the command to start xmame with the file of the rom... "ERROR: required files are missing, the game cannot be run" But it starts to load some of it. |
| 09:38.32 | asuffield | and I have to shower |
| 09:39.28 | mhall | many people argue that databases are less relevant due to good standard library data structures |
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| 09:39.53 | bbrazil | mhall: what about replication though? |
| 09:40.25 | bbrazil | mhall: and I can see a compiler having fun trying to optimize out the C++ equivilent of a multi-table join |
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| 09:41.13 | mhall | yes i'm a little new to the issues |
| 09:41.17 | |DuReX| | hi guys, got a question :s i have a bit unstable isp, now i set dhcp timeout to 24hours, now tonight, isp died, and came back, dhcp seems to catched the ip back, but i get connection refused when i try to connect :s how could i fix this ? :s |
| 09:41.22 | SimonRaven | KyKo: try #mame |
| 09:41.35 | mhall | bbrazil: my understanding is query optimizers are not doing so well anymore |
| 09:41.47 | mhall | bbrazil: so oracle is trying to force people onto their statistical optimizer |
| 09:42.25 | mhall | bbrazil: so i'm not sure it's a compiler problem anymore but perhaps more of a code profiler problem |
| 09:42.51 | KyKo | Oh okay. |
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| 09:43.01 | KyKo | I tried xmame... I'll give it a whirl, SimonRaven |
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| 09:43.17 | bbrazil | mhall: I'm not up on that aspect, but runtime profiling optimization should be better than compile time e.g. java hotspot |
| 09:43.46 | mhall | bbrazil: that's what people say but Java processes XML about half as fast as C++ |
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| 09:44.06 | mhall | bbrazil: i think the problem with hotspot is it's not very good at what it does |
| 09:44.12 | |DuReX| | nobody got any id ? :s |
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| 09:44.21 | mhall | bbrazil: another problem is java objects have like a 40-byte header |
| 09:44.31 | bbrazil | mhall: I've heard its extremely good. Java's string implementation is probably slowing it down |
| 09:44.37 | mhall | bbrazil: not especially fuckin efficient when you are trying for high throughput |
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| 09:45.02 | mhall | bbrazil: that could be true, measuring hotspot's behavior is pretty nontrivial i suspect |
| 09:45.15 | mhall | bbrazil: most people that tried to benchmark Java didn't do well |
| 09:45.20 | mhall | dondelelcaro: not saying you would |
| 09:45.37 | bbrazil | dondelelcaro: s/that needed high throughput // |
| 09:45.37 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i'm just riding the tail end of a wave of discussion of a whitepaper i authored |
| 09:46.37 | dondelelcaro | bbrazil: well, I certainly wouldn't, but I suppose there are some reasons why you'd use that language. Speed isn't really one of them, though. |
| 09:47.40 | bbrazil | dondelelcaro: I classify java as one of those things that people use because they think its easy. |
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| 09:48.47 | mhall | dondelelcaro: neither is portability it turns out |
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| 09:52.02 | mhall | well i think that covers about everything there is to be covered |
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| 09:55.38 | nukeu666 | exim is the default MTA on debian...whats the mail server thingie? |
| 09:56.12 | jm_ | MTA is mail server |
| 09:56.14 | bbrazil | nukeu666: what do you mean? |
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| 09:57.44 | nukeu666 | like on fedora...uw-mail is the dafault mail server right? |
| 09:57.49 | blahdebla1 | nukeu666: If you mean the part that does IMAP and/or POP, there are a number of choices, but Courier seems to be one of the most recommended. Cyrus also has a good name. |
| 09:57.49 | hammerabi | no |
| 09:57.51 | nukeu666 | and sendmail is the mta |
| 09:58.04 | hammerabi | exim4 is the "default" MTA in sarge |
| 09:58.17 | hammerabi | there is no default imap/pop server, and wu-imapd is a terrible choice |
| 09:58.22 | hammerabi | use courier or dovecot |
| 09:58.23 | hammerabi | !+cyrus |
| 09:58.24 | dpkg | it has been said that cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. Its homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 09:59.10 | blahdebla1 | nukeu666: Here's a nice article about how to get a fully-functional mail server setup on Sarge: http://www.fatofthelan.com/articles/articles.php?pid=22 |
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| 09:59.46 | nukeu666 | blah thanks |
| 09:59.47 | ircdevil | is there some way to browse images in a tarball without uncompressing it? |
| 09:59.51 | pif | any spanish speaker? what means "llave incorrecta" ? |
| 09:59.52 | nukeu666 | ill be back |
| 10:00.00 | hammerabi | !+spanish |
| 10:00.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:00.02 | blahdebla1 | nukeu666: BTW, It uses postfix, Courier, AMaViS, SpamAssassin, and ClamAV. |
| 10:00.04 | ircdevil | !debian-es |
| 10:00.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:00.13 | hammerabi | ircdevil: any tool that lets you do that will have to decompress it anyway |
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| 10:00.30 | blahdebla1 | ircdevil: I think pif is asking someone to translate to English, no? |
| 10:00.35 | pif | I am not a spanish speaker, hence my question |
| 10:00.35 | ircdevil | hammerabi: yup - but i will not have to type tar and gzip and so on |
| 10:00.40 | bbrazil | ircdevil: well, you can extract individual files via tar -xf file.tar path/in/tarball |
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| 10:01.05 | ircdevil | bbrazil: i was wondering if there was some viewer that did that automagically |
| 10:01.17 | pitillo | pif, incorrect key |
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| 10:01.25 | pif | thanks |
| 10:01.32 | pitillo | nothihng |
| 10:01.34 | pif | could it mean password too? |
| 10:01.44 | pitillo | pif, yes |
| 10:01.50 | pif | oki doky |
| 10:01.59 | jm_ | ircdevil: mc |
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| 10:02.57 | ircdevil | jm_: aha |
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| 10:03.10 | etrop | Hi, what is the way to do not use ssl on specific virtualhost using apache? |
| 10:03.12 | etrop | all my virtualhost go to my https:mail.foo.org if I put https://anyvirtualhost |
| 10:03.24 | etrop | any clue? |
| 10:04.02 | hammerabi | that's how https works |
| 10:04.17 | etrop | ups |
| 10:04.17 | hammerabi | the browser looks up "anyvirtualhost", finds the ip, and connects to port 443 |
| 10:04.32 | hammerabi | it happens you have mail.foo.org set to handle ip:443 |
| 10:05.15 | saintiss | hi |
| 10:05.17 | saintiss | is there a sox package with mp3 encoding support available somewhere? |
| 10:05.24 | etrop | ok, thanks hammerabi |
| 10:05.40 | bbrazil | etrop: each https virtual host needs its own IP address |
| 10:06.04 | etrop | Do I can use ip alias? |
| 10:06.19 | hammerabi | if you mean "can I add more than one IP to an interface?", yes |
| 10:06.55 | etrop | what is the way? |
| 10:06.56 | nukeu666 | the server was using sendmail till now and all mail is saved in spool/mail....so will postfix be able to continue using those mailboxes? |
| 10:07.15 | nkuttler | saintiss: i think you want to /msg dpkg lame |
| 10:07.42 | hammerabi | etrop: sudo ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 |
| 10:07.59 | hammerabi | nukeu666: /var/spool/mail/$username? yes. |
| 10:08.12 | nukeu666 | hamm:ya |
| 10:08.20 | etrop | if I have no internal LAN, can I use 192x o something like this for ip alias? |
| 10:09.02 | hammerabi | etrop: uh, not if this is a webserver on the interweb |
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| 10:09.23 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 10:09.52 | mick_home | I was just wondering if there are any drawbacks to using checkinstall to create debs (versus the more conventional methods) |
| 10:09.52 | hammerabi | etrop: it'd be way easier to help you if you'd tell us the whole story about what you're trying to do |
| 10:09.58 | etrop | 65.111.164.249 Can I do an alias like 65.111.164.250? |
| 10:10.12 | hammerabi | etrop: has 65.111.164.250 been assigned to you? |
| 10:10.18 | etrop | no |
| 10:10.19 | hammerabi | etrop: you can't just hijack someone else's IP |
| 10:10.24 | hammerabi | etrop: then, no, of course not |
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| 10:10.24 | mick_home | or is this a question for #debian-devel ? |
| 10:10.33 | hammerabi | mick_home: it's fine for quick and dirty things |
| 10:10.37 | Zapelius | How do I pipe signals to kill(1) ? like # lsof -t -- /dev/ttyS0 | kill |
| 10:10.40 | doleyb | mick_home: the /usr/local thing is a drawback |
| 10:10.47 | etrop | jejje hammerabi |
| 10:10.49 | hammerabi | mick_home: it doesn't give you the opportunity to integrate things more closely into Debiam, tho |
| 10:10.50 | Zapelius | Or should I make my own script to be piped that uses a for-loop? |
| 10:10.59 | mick_home | ah, :-/ |
| 10:11.02 | jm_ | Zapelius: you can use xargs |
| 10:11.03 | hammerabi | mick_home: e.g. you can't make use of the menu system, or move things to more approriayte locations, etc |
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| 10:11.27 | mick_home | hammerabi: ok, then I guess I'll go with the more conventional approach |
| 10:11.50 | hammerabi | a checkinstall'd thing is unlikely to be approriate to upload to Debian itself, if that's what you mean |
| 10:12.03 | Zapelius | jm_, the man page looks like it will solve my prob. thanks :) |
| 10:12.15 | mick_home | are there any docs on creating debs for linux/x86 or linux/ppc on MacOSX? (crosscompiling) |
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| 10:12.28 | hammerabi | that's unlikely to work |
| 10:12.28 | mick_home | hammerabi: ya |
| 10:12.33 | hammerabi | unless you create a chroot |
| 10:12.46 | hammerabi | even then it won't work, if the thing in question uses autocrap |
| 10:12.54 | mick_home | hammerabi: why wouldn't it work? |
| 10:13.04 | Zapelius | jm_, yeap. that's it |
| 10:13.13 | hammerabi | mick_home: linking on mac os X and actual modern unixes is very different |
| 10:13.17 | mage | odd |
| 10:13.17 | hammerabi | e.g. |
| 10:13.28 | mage | I just had a box compromised somehow |
| 10:13.42 | hammerabi | and the autocrap hostname thing will differ (linux-gnu-i386 or whatever) |
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| 10:15.12 | mick_home | :-/ |
| 10:15.30 | petemc | mick_home: read up on how fink works |
| 10:15.31 | mick_home | mage: is it a critical box that needs to be online? |
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| 10:16.04 | mick_home | petemc: well I'm pretty familiar with it |
| 10:16.07 | hammerabi | I'd guess running debian/ppc in qemu would not be a horrible solution |
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| 10:16.10 | fireba11 | mage: how do you know ? |
| 10:16.20 | mick_home | hammerabi: thats an idea |
| 10:16.40 | mick_home | mage: if it doesn't need to be online, take it off *now* |
| 10:16.47 | mage | my password didn't work to ssh in |
| 10:16.51 | mick_home | then analize logfiles and see what happened |
| 10:16.57 | mage | eh its remote to me though |
| 10:17.08 | mick_home | that sucks |
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| 10:17.23 | hammerabi | firewall it off from everyone but you (in and out), if possible |
| 10:18.09 | mick_home | if he is remote, thats a little hard (if he only has ssh access) |
| 10:18.15 | takatumi | mage: call the janitor at the remote location, switch it off! |
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| 10:18.33 | mick_home | mage: what does the box do? |
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| 10:19.15 | mick_home | if you can, change the DNS and run a temporary mirror from another box (while the other one is down) |
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| 10:19.17 | takatumi | there was another case of remote ssh password didn't work, but local eth ssh worked. *shrug* |
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| 10:20.35 | mage | eh I think the linux kernel is fine so iptables to block everything should be good enough for a few hours |
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| 10:20.45 | mick_home | hammerabi: well, if I do get it to work I'll post a how-to |
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| 10:21.37 | mage | from what I can tell it's just an automatic ssh server cracker of somesort |
| 10:21.39 | fireba11 | mage uhm .. if someone really hacked that box and cut you off from ssh you have to expect him to be able to use ssh freely .. so if ssh isn't firewalled to just your IP or so you should cut the box of as fast as possible |
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| 10:21.57 | mage | i just firewalled everything to only my ip |
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| 10:22.16 | fireba11 | mage: than make sure it really works and stays that way |
| 10:22.18 | mage | takes like 2-3 iptables commands tops, really easy ;) |
| 10:22.43 | mage | eh if i was paranoid I'd do poweroff |
| 10:22.48 | mage | but I wanna look first |
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| 10:23.01 | hammerabi | don't forget to read auth.log and run chkrootkit, if your user had sudo access... |
| 10:23.14 | fireba11 | mage: depends on what is on the box and if you'd have to pay for traffic if someone went nuts with it *g* |
| 10:23.30 | mage | hey i just realized something, i'm not using a shadow file |
| 10:23.57 | cvardar | have just installed debian 3.1r0a first cd, and now want to install an X11, which x11 you may recommend? |
| 10:23.58 | hammerabi | naughty |
| 10:24.05 | hammerabi | cvardar: x-window-system |
| 10:24.24 | nukeu666 | x-window-system-core and kdebase |
| 10:24.37 | fireba11 | cvardar: that's a rather philosophical question :-) |
| 10:25.10 | liable | how many x11's are there? |
| 10:25.16 | mick_home | since i seriously thought it would just involve adding a few arguments like --target=i586-linux --with-gnu-ld --with-gnu-as etc. |
| 10:25.34 | hammerabi | there's one or two (well, lots, if you count X3) X servers |
| 10:25.51 | hammerabi | mick_home: darwin and linux have different library formats |
| 10:25.58 | hammerabi | amongst lots of other incompatibilities |
| 10:26.03 | mick_home | yikes |
| 10:26.21 | mick_home | this will be more trouble than its worth /methinks |
| 10:26.44 | hammerabi | I'd think so, unless petemc's suggestion pans out |
| 10:26.52 | mick_home | hammerabi: do you happen to have a doc on these incompatibilities? |
| 10:27.06 | cvardar | is there any debian related to x-window-system-core? |
| 10:27.16 | cvardar | i mean debian package .deb |
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| 10:27.38 | hammerabi | cvardar: yes, called x-window-system-core |
| 10:27.38 | resiak | cvardar: apt-get install x-window-system-core . If you want a desktop environment too, apt-get install gdm xfce4 |
| 10:27.42 | hammerabi | mick_home: not on hand |
| 10:27.58 | liable | tasksel! |
| 10:28.11 | cvardar | gdm? is that gnome? |
| 10:28.29 | mick_home | hammerabi: i was thinking gnu gcc == gnu gcc (just on a different arch) |
| 10:28.53 | hammerabi | yes |
| 10:28.54 | liable | if we are talking newbs, tasksel is the way to go.. |
| 10:28.59 | resiak | cvardar: It's the Gnome desktop manager, which gives you a nice pretty login screen. Using it doesn't force you to use Gnome; installing it doesn't install Gnome; it's just the best login manager. |
| 10:29.08 | hammerabi | mick_home: the code will almost certainly just compile fine |
| 10:29.23 | hammerabi | mick_home: it almost certainly will not be binary-compatible with Debian, tho |
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| 10:30.14 | Guerin | the week is officially OVER |
| 10:30.16 | cvardar | resiak: till now we have been developing application on qt4 on kubuntu, so now as i understand we ned osomethign like k environment right? |
| 10:30.19 | mick_home | even with: i586-debian-linux ? |
| 10:30.24 | hammerabi | and now it's beer o'clock |
| 10:30.25 | Guerin | nothing but beer and snow from now until monday |
| 10:30.27 | mick_home | that should work, right? |
| 10:30.36 | Guerin | !beer hammerabi |
| 10:30.44 | hammerabi | all I have is VB, sadly |
| 10:30.55 | hammerabi | but in copious amounts, and the promise of coopers when I make it to the pub |
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| 10:31.04 | hammerabi | mick_home: you built a cross-compiler already? |
| 10:31.08 | liable | meh, VB is good enough.. |
| 10:31.13 | Guerin | hammerabi: all I have is heineken, or I could resort to Nob, Ass or Shite |
| 10:31.24 | resiak | cvardar: I don't think qt4 is in Debian 3.1, but you'll probably need a bunch of KDE stuff. apt-get install kde will pull in _loads_ of KDE. You don't need to _run_ KDE to develop things with Qt, but I don't know which packages you need to install for Qt development. |
| 10:31.26 | Guerin | liable: only good enough for austrlians |
| 10:31.29 | hammerabi | mick_home: http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/programming.html has some interesting poitns |
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| 10:31.40 | hammerabi | I'm yet to find a kiwi beer for sale here |
| 10:31.43 | liable | although it has been said before, i have no class.. |
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| 10:31.53 | hammerabi | VB Original Ale is surprisingly nice |
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| 10:32.06 | Guerin | hammerabi: in straya? I think steinlager makes it over. |
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| 10:32.22 | Guerin | out of the aussie beers it's cooper's all the way ... |
| 10:32.27 | resiak | !beer Guerin |
| 10:32.31 | Guerin | sure could do with a Monteith's right now |
| 10:32.35 | liable | overated home brew.. |
| 10:32.44 | liable | the tassie few are good but.. |
| 10:32.44 | hammerabi | hah |
| 10:32.50 | mage | wow |
| 10:32.58 | Guerin | liable: only if you're used to beer that's put through 100 kinds of filter and pasteuriser before bottling |
| 10:33.10 | Guerin | liable: cascade is drinkable |
| 10:33.17 | liable | Guerin: no, coopers *is* overrayed. |
| 10:33.23 | Guerin | liable: no, it's not. |
| 10:33.23 | mage | only one ip this time, last time I had ssh problems it was after a bunch of ips hitting me on port 22 |
| 10:33.30 | hammerabi | Little Creatures Pale Ale is nice, too |
| 10:33.42 | liable | pale is ok. |
| 10:33.46 | cvardar | now trying to install midnight commander, but it asks for libc6, in the repository i see only libc5x. |
| 10:33.49 | cvardar | any idea? |
| 10:34.06 | hammerabi | cvardar: er, you have libc6, or you wouldn't be talking to us |
| 10:34.15 | Guerin | liable: I was buyer for a booze merchant for a year; I've tasted the competition and Cooper's is most definitely The Shit. |
| 10:34.23 | hammerabi | haha |
| 10:34.32 | hammerabi | now that is a job worth leaving IT for |
| 10:34.32 | cvardar | i coult not get what you mean |
| 10:34.43 | hammerabi | cvardar: why don't you show us the error in #flood |
| 10:35.04 | Guerin | hammerabi: never worked in IT |
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| 10:35.17 | Guerin | thank the gods |
| 10:35.24 | Guerin | though i might end up doing so next year |
| 10:35.33 | liable | Guerin: i used to live in adelaide, so i guess i might have drunk a few coopers, and personally dont think its really anything to get excited about. |
| 10:35.48 | takatumi | Guerin: like kingfisher? |
| 10:36.03 | Guerin | takatumi: yes, I love kingfisher. It's one of the Four Good Asian Beers |
| 10:36.08 | Guerin | and yes, there are only four |
| 10:36.34 | Guerin | and ki-rin is NOT one of them |
| 10:36.34 | takatumi | Guerin: my favourite, cheers! |
| 10:36.53 | Guerin | takatumi: i also worked three years in an indian restaurant which served one (1) beer. |
| 10:37.15 | hammerabi | kirin ichiban! |
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| 10:37.26 | Guerin | hammerabi: no. |
| 10:37.31 | kneet | perhaps an obvious q - but - I've got a couple of P3 700Mhz debian stable boxen that I need to upgrade to faster machines some time soon. Been looking at whats available out there (been a _long_ time since I bought motherboards for anything). Most of the boards available via my normal supplier have nvidia chipset (something that I've only really associated with video before) - is this something to avoid? I'd like something that's going to run with |
| 10:37.31 | kneet | stable out of the box - no custom drivers |
| 10:37.32 | takatumi | Guerin: yeah, I remember, just don't boil the onions, melt them. |
| 10:37.33 | hammerabi | tiger? |
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| 10:37.48 | Guerin | takatumi: heh, I tried that the other day, actually.... I forgot who told me. |
| 10:38.01 | Guerin | takatumi: it worked well, but required more oil than i'd like. |
| 10:38.04 | Guerin | hammerabi: no. |
| 10:38.19 | Guerin | hammerabi: two are from Thailand and one is from the PRC. |
| 10:38.30 | takatumi | Guerin: yeah a lil more oil, but once you add the water, the oil seperates. |
| 10:38.43 | hammerabi | kneet: nforce boards tend to (or maybe exclusively) have ethernet chipsets that require either a proprietary module or a reverse-engineered driver (forcedeth) |
| 10:38.46 | Guerin | this is not counting the several really good small breweries in vietnam, which I've not tasted much |
| 10:38.56 | Guerin | takatumi: yeah, skimming it off wasn't hard |
| 10:39.02 | hammerabi | kneet: and they tend to have apic issues (tho it seems booting with noapic usually fixes it) |
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| 10:39.20 | Fujoor_ | what do i have to type to unmount? |
| 10:39.28 | hammerabi | umount /path |
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| 10:39.49 | kneet | hammerabi, OK. So - it would be good to avoid that then |
| 10:40.00 | Fujoor_ | ah, thanks, and one more question, how did i do a file search, i remember i did something like find / -e |
| 10:40.04 | Fujoor_ | but it doesnt work |
| 10:40.06 | takatumi | Guerin: so fix the recipe on your site if it's still there. ;) |
| 10:40.07 | hammerabi | for a server I'd try to avoid them |
| 10:40.17 | hammerabi | Fujoor_: what is your search criteria? |
| 10:40.25 | Fujoor_ | *.jpg for example? |
| 10:40.31 | hammerabi | kneet: server motherboards seem to have less built in stuff |
| 10:40.41 | hammerabi | Fujoor_: find /path -name "*.jpg" |
| 10:40.43 | kneet | True - but they are _very_ much dearer here |
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| 10:40.45 | liable | kneet: heh, iys surprising hard now isnt it. |
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| 10:41.15 | Fujoor_ | hammerabi: but i dont know the path, i want it to search trough the whole computer like /s in dos |
| 10:41.16 | kneet | I've been working with donated boxes to now (it's a non-profit org) - but I just can't get a better one without buying this time |
| 10:41.20 | Fujoor_ | with all subdirectories |
| 10:41.32 | Guerin | takatumi: yeh, spose i ought |
| 10:41.37 | hammerabi | Fujoor_: then /path = / |
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| 10:42.19 | mango | hi, I tired to connect to irc from home yesterday, but I could not, gaim hung there and does nothing, I checke my router settings and irc was allaowed, it there any other way how to find about the problem please? |
| 10:42.20 | Fujoor_ | hammerabi: sorry fornot beging linux unlightened, but i have no clue what to type in instaed of path |
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| 10:42.27 | hammerabi | Fujoor_: / |
| 10:42.32 | takatumi | mango: parfait? |
| 10:42.33 | kneet | In fact - inbuilt video is not really an issue - as long as I can get a text prompt - but - getting a board with an inbuilt nic that is hard to drive is hassle I'd like to avoid |
| 10:42.45 | Fujoor_ | hammerabi: i like that, and no more command after that? |
| 10:42.48 | hammerabi | kneet: you can always spend $10 on a pc nic ;) |
| 10:42.59 | hammerabi | Fujoor_: I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry |
| 10:43.09 | hammerabi | Fujoor_: find / -name "*.jpg" |
| 10:43.29 | Fujoor_ | hammerabi: thats the one i was looking for, thanks a lot :D |
| 10:43.48 | mango | takatumi: that is perfect in english!! |
| 10:44.21 | mage | I thought mobos use cheap and readily available network chips |
| 10:44.22 | takatumi | mango: ther's a silly character in the Tux mag. |
| 10:44.27 | kneet | hammerabi, well - cheapest 10/100 here that I find (using todays exchange rate) is just under $45 - but yes - I know what you mean :) |
| 10:44.44 | takatumi | re* |
| 10:44.52 | mage | $45 local dollars? |
| 10:44.56 | kneet | Anyhow - back to digging :) Thanks for the advice folks |
| 10:45.32 | hammerabi | mage: nvidia for some reason invented their own one and decided it was so awesome they could not afford to document it |
| 10:46.08 | mage | lol |
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| 10:47.08 | takatumi | actually the ati IGP radeon340 is probably the easiest to set up, if you're not an extreme gamer. |
| 10:47.08 | Guerin | kneet: your country doesn't have the ubiquitous rlt8139? |
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| 10:47.56 | kneet | I can import one - and that is often cheaper in fact |
| 10:47.57 | drakeoutlaw | hi all can someone tell me how to use module-assistant? I want to compile a new module driver |
| 10:48.07 | hammerabi | !+m-a |
| 10:48.07 | dpkg | [module-assistant] a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 10:48.18 | hammerabi | hm |
| 10:48.22 | takatumi | drakeoutlaw: m-a prepare && m-a a-i foo |
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| 10:49.09 | Guerin | wow |
| 10:49.16 | Guerin | something bad about living in scandinavia |
| 10:49.22 | Guerin | never thought I'd find something |
| 10:49.31 | Guerin | well, apart from the weather, and the taxes |
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| 10:49.37 | drakeoutlaw | takatumi: is foo a downloaded source.deb file? |
| 10:49.39 | jm_ | fod is awfulyl expensive too |
| 10:49.41 | jm_ | food |
| 10:49.50 | kneet | Tax rates here are astronomical. I tend to get my father to buy in the UK then I pick up when I'm over there :) |
| 10:49.59 | kneet | Much cheaper :) |
| 10:50.05 | takatumi | drakeoutlaw: if there source is available for download, m-a will get that too. |
| 10:50.08 | kneet | Then we might be talking back at about $10 :) |
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| 10:50.35 | takatumi | drakeoutlaw: run m-a without any arguments, use the ncurses UI. |
| 10:50.43 | drakeoutlaw | what if the .deb package is already downloaded? do I have to run dpkg first? |
| 10:50.49 | kneet | Have to say that browsing webshops for motherboards these days is confusing - I'm so out of date on hardware |
| 10:51.03 | takatumi | drakeoutlaw: you don't need m-a to install a .deb |
| 10:51.05 | hammerabi | any country where it's cheaper to buy from the UK is DOOMED |
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| 10:51.48 | drakeoutlaw | so m-a will use apt system... right? |
| 10:51.52 | takatumi | !wayttd drakeoutlaw |
| 10:51.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, drakeoutlaw? |
| 10:52.52 | drakeoutlaw | I want to instaall ipw2200 from testing on my ubuntu system which has no native ubuntu ipw2200 source package |
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| 10:53.07 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 10:53.07 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 10:53.23 | hammerabi | drakeoutlaw: that's because the ubuntu kernel includes the ipw2200 driver |
| 10:53.32 | liable | also see /topic.. |
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| 10:53.49 | drakeoutlaw | ipw2200 in ubuntu is outdated and hangs my machine on weak signal |
| 10:54.02 | takatumi | !d-i drakeoutlaw |
| 10:54.02 | dpkg | drakeoutlaw, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:54.05 | liable | so why should we care? |
| 10:54.09 | hammerabi | then you'll need to ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:54.10 | takatumi | or go to #ubuntu |
| 10:54.37 | drakeoutlaw | basically, I wanted to learn how module-assistant works |
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| 10:55.20 | Gnea | drakeoutlaw: why not just get the ubuntu update then? |
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| 10:56.08 | drakeoutlaw | Gnea: no update of ipw2200 ( intel wi-fi driver) available as yet |
| 10:56.26 | Gnea | drakeoutlaw: i know what ipw2200 is and does. |
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| 10:56.53 | Gnea | drakeoutlaw: then go to #ubuntu and check out their developer forums |
| 10:57.14 | drakeoutlaw | Gnea: Excellent idea thanx |
| 10:57.23 | Gnea | no problem. |
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| 10:58.24 | takatumi | !seen nvz |
| 10:58.24 | dpkg | nvz is currently on #debian |
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| 11:03.31 | kozy | hello, I cannot seem to find them magic sysrq combination on my powerbook. Can somebody enlighten me? |
| 11:03.57 | Gnea | kozy: do powerbooks have a sysrq/print screen key? |
| 11:04.28 | kozy | no, it doesnt have Prt Scr |
| 11:05.16 | kozy | Kernel docs say: On PowerPC - Press 'ALT - Print Screen (or F13) - <command key>, |
| 11:05.16 | kozy | Print Screen (or F13) - <command key> may suffice |
| 11:05.16 | kozy | But tried some posibilitys with no result |
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| 11:05.57 | liable | kozy: #debian-ppc? |
| 11:06.05 | Gnea | kozy: it looks like there's no default definition for this, but someone made a patch i think |
| 11:07.16 | kozy | yes, debian ppc. I think it works out of the box. It is enabled by default. |
| 11:07.44 | Gnea | i had no idea |
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| 11:08.30 | liable | !confuse me |
| 11:08.30 | dpkg | No, what was our snake tomorrow, liable? wellies of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
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| 11:09.54 | liable | !seen jethro |
| 11:09.54 | dpkg | jethro <n=jethro@saje3.docisland.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15d 23h 36m 3s ago, saying: 'now I'm no longer wondering why I spent so much time out of #debian'. |
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| 11:10.19 | liable | hrm. |
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| 11:10.53 | ski_ | i'm trying to use X over ssh (giving '-X' flag,'DISPLAY' is set on local site, and X server running), but the X part seems not to work (e.g. 'DISPLAY' isn't set on remote site), any idea what i'm missing ? |
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| 11:11.21 | jm_ | ski_: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 11:19.16 | saloxin | recommendations for a fast and simple dns cache? not bind9 |
| 11:19.28 | kapil | saloxin: pdnsd |
| 11:19.30 | hammerabi | why not bind9? |
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| 11:20.09 | saloxin | hammerabi: i hate 1) the configuration syntax 2) mixture between authoritative/caching 3) internet software consortium |
| 11:20.15 | saloxin | but thats just me |
| 11:20.20 | kapil | saloxin: be careful with the growing (and possibly accumulating outdated entries) in /var/cache/pdnsd/pdnsd.cache |
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| 11:20.49 | saloxin | kapil: hm, cron flush cache is necessary? |
| 11:20.56 | hammerabi | 1) you need to add one line, 2) it's not authoratative by default, 3) good point |
| 11:21.49 | saloxin | hammerabi: don't get me wrong, i run 3 binds, but i'm looking for alternatives |
| 11:22.06 | opqdonut | djbdns? |
| 11:22.15 | petemc | djb teh suq |
| 11:22.42 | bryndza | saloxin have you tried tinydns ? |
| 11:22.43 | kapil | saloxin: you can turn off permanent caching entirely if you aare always online. |
| 11:22.51 | petemc | saloxin: dnsmasq |
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| 11:23.19 | saloxin | petemc: love it for my home network, but this is just to speed up a postfix/spamassassin box |
| 11:23.25 | takatumi | !dnsmasq |
| 11:23.26 | Bogaurd | does anyone know how to setup name based virtual hosting for subdomains when the box has a dynamic IP? (I own the domain, and have it working correctly, i just want virtualhosts like webmail.site.com) |
| 11:24.26 | hammerabi | Bogaurd: I'm pretty sure apache doesn't care about the ip, except insomuch as the name has to resolve to it |
| 11:24.40 | saloxin | will check out pdns-recursor, thanks for input all |
| 11:25.12 | Bogaurd | hammerabi: yeah - i agree. i've tried setting up these named virtualhosts, and it really doesnt want to work though - could you lend a hand? |
| 11:25.26 | quitte | Bogaurd: you'll have to always update your nameserver when your ip changes |
| 11:25.28 | liable | Bogaurd: dont have a default domain, make em all virtual. |
| 11:25.35 | kapil | saloxin: pdnsd != pdns-recurser |
| 11:25.52 | Bogaurd | quitte: already taken care of. |
| 11:26.33 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:26.40 | quitte | Bogaurd: and the site can be reached from outside, only virtual doesn't work? |
| 11:27.03 | Bogaurd | quitte: the virtualhosts work, but they all serve up the same document root. |
| 11:27.26 | hammerabi | Bogaurd: you're sure your apache virtualhost config is ok in general? |
| 11:27.31 | hammerabi | or is that part of the question? |
| 11:27.51 | Bogaurd | hammerabi: better make it part of the question ;) |
| 11:28.01 | hammerabi | apache 1 or 2? |
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| 11:28.15 | Bogaurd | hammerabi: 1.3.33 on sarge. |
| 11:28.20 | zeenix | morning |
| 11:28.38 | takatumi | tarzeau: bubbles? |
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| 11:28.52 | zeenix | what is the name of the debian testing ? sid? |
| 11:28.52 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm at werk, and i'll be home tomorrow (very late today) |
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| 11:28.58 | hammerabi | zeenix: etch atm |
| 11:29.01 | tarzeau | takatumi: but tried mazeofgalious? |
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| 11:29.03 | zeenix | hmm.. |
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| 11:29.10 | tarzeau | dpkg dead |
| 11:29.10 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 11:29.13 | hammerabi | zeenix: unstables codename does not changem it's always "sid" |
| 11:29.19 | Whisky_ | ive loaded mods for usb support but i cant access my usb card reader. I dont know which device to mount because there is no device name starting with "s" as dpkg suggests. |
| 11:29.21 | tarzeau | dpkg qotd0 |
| 11:29.21 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
| 11:29.24 | takatumi | tarzeau: did try, didn't get into it, should I? |
| 11:29.33 | hammerabi | Whisky_: is that a Debian kernel? |
| 11:29.35 | tarzeau | takatumi: yep, read the spoilers... |
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| 11:29.41 | Whisky_ | hammerabi, Yes, 2.6 |
| 11:29.46 | takatumi | !qotd113 |
| 11:29.46 | dpkg | hmm... qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 11:29.49 | zeenix | i needed to install 'debian testing' on chroot env. using debootstrap |
| 11:30.01 | hammerabi | Whisky_: "tail -f /var/log/syslog" as it gets plugged in |
| 11:30.03 | zeenix | seems the debootstrap didn't come with a script for etch/testing |
| 11:30.20 | hammerabi | zeenix: debootstrap in sarge will of course not be aware of later versions of Debian |
| 11:30.46 | zeenix | so where can i just get the required script/file? |
| 11:31.01 | takatumi | zeenix: p.d.o |
| 11:31.17 | Whisky_ | hammerabi, Can i paste in #paste ? |
| 11:31.20 | hammerabi | zeenix: get sid's debootstrap from packages.debian.org |
| 11:31.25 | hammerabi | Whisky_: #flood |
| 11:31.28 | zeenix | ok |
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| 11:33.46 | fireba11 | how to get dpkg to install a exported lsit of packages ? |
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| 11:34.02 | bbrazil | fireba11: --set-selections |
| 11:34.22 | fireba11 | bbrazil: i tried dpkg --set-selections < /backup/packages && apt-get install bit it's not working |
| 11:34.39 | takatumi | !selections |
| 11:34.40 | dpkg | somebody said ffs copy was run "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination. |
| 11:34.46 | hammerabi | apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 11:34.52 | fireba11 | ahhh |
| 11:34.53 | fireba11 | thanks |
| 11:35.02 | Whisky_ | so hammerabi ? |
| 11:35.03 | hammerabi | Whisky_: what's not working then? |
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| 11:36.17 | Whisky_ | hammerabi, see flood |
| 11:36.25 | liable | he is not the messiah! he's a very naughty boy! :P |
| 11:36.31 | fireba11 | bbrazil: hammerabi: takatumi: then someone told me something wrong when i asked last time ;-) |
| 11:36.33 | takatumi | Whisky_: is sd_mod loaded? |
| 11:36.34 | zeenix | hammerabi: can i get the contents of the package without installing it? |
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| 11:36.45 | hammerabi | zeenix: packages.debian.org, or apt-file |
| 11:37.01 | hammerabi | Whisky_: your card reader is seen fine |
| 11:37.01 | zeenix | hammerabi: that only shows the list of files |
| 11:37.01 | Whisky_ | yeah |
| 11:37.10 | hammerabi | Whisky_: is the issue that it is not showing a partition for a card? |
| 11:37.28 | hammerabi | Whisky_: do you really want to be mounting sda? |
| 11:37.42 | Whisky_ | hammerabi, I just want to be able to read/write the card |
| 11:38.13 | hammerabi | you'll need to explain the issue then, since that output is fine for a card reader with no card in it |
| 11:38.50 | bibe | speaking about selections: does it also remove "extra" packages? I mean: I install a base system, plus package foo, then I build package bar using compilers and -dev libraries. Then I install another machine with a base system, plus packages foo and bar (from the package built on the first machine). Can I clone the second install to the first one (I mean, removing all compilers and development stuff)? |
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| 11:39.13 | hammerabi | yes |
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| 11:39.31 | hammerabi | tho debfoster is a better solution if you're not after com[plete equivalence |
| 11:39.37 | Whisky_ | hammerabi, I do have a card in the card reader right now. It's in the 1st slot. The card reader has 4 slots total. When i try to mount /dev/sdd it gives me the error as in #paste and when i try to mount /dev/sdb,c,d, it says no medium which is true. |
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| 11:40.00 | hammerabi | you will not want to mount sdd |
| 11:40.10 | Whisky_ | So how do I read the data then ? |
| 11:40.10 | hammerabi | unless you really made no partitions on the card |
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| 11:40.14 | bibe | hammerabi : thanks a lot |
| 11:40.21 | hammerabi | in which case windows and embedded devices will not work with it |
| 11:40.23 | berzerka | oh, you guys, debian is sooo cool... |
| 11:40.24 | Whisky_ | hammerabi, Its a cell phone's card. |
| 11:40.31 | hammerabi | unplug the card and replug it |
| 11:40.42 | Whisky_ | done |
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| 11:41.20 | hammerabi | "dmesg | tail" |
| 11:41.50 | ski_ | jm_ : ty, got it working |
| 11:42.06 | Whisky_ | check in flood |
| 11:42.12 | pitillo | Whisky_, can you mount any other flash memory? |
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| 11:42.26 | hammerabi | haha |
| 11:42.31 | Whisky_ | pitillo, I havent tried. |
| 11:42.42 | zeenix | seems the package source is broken or the link to it |
| 11:42.43 | hammerabi | Whisky_: file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 11:42.52 | hammerabi | zeenix: ...url? |
| 11:42.53 | berzerka | i have a debian system on the notebook to my left and a fedora system on the workstation to my right. cups is configured (seemingly identical) on both systems. lp -d dest file.pdf. on debian it works seamlessly, on fedora it doesnt. and i dont manage to find out the deciding difference... the distro probably :) |
| 11:42.55 | zeenix | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=debootstrap&version=testing&arch=all |
| 11:43.09 | zeenix | there is etch in the file list there |
| 11:43.19 | pitillo | Whisky_, i have a guide to mount usb devices, if you want, you can read it to see if you have all the requeriments to mount it |
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| 11:43.28 | zeenix | but if get the source package, the 'etch' file is not there |
| 11:43.33 | Whisky_ | sure |
| 11:43.33 | Whisky_ | brb |
| 11:43.56 | zeenix | can anyone tell me how to get the contents of a package without installing it? |
| 11:44.06 | seeeS | berzerka: which ver fedora? also is the lp the cups lp? |
| 11:44.07 | quitte | berzerka: you have identical printers connected to both systems? |
| 11:44.27 | pitillo | Whisky_, http://lokalix.dyndns.org/index_en?get=manuales/en/manual_cam_dig |
| 11:44.27 | blondie | berzerka: #fedora |
| 11:44.47 | berzerka | seeeS: fc4, quitte: yes. blondie: they seem to be deaf and mute... |
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| 11:44.59 | blondie | and? |
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| 11:45.10 | seeeS | hah, FC4 has so many permission problems due to badly setup selinux, could be that |
| 11:45.16 | zeenix | ok, got it |
| 11:45.17 | bbrazil | zeenix: man dpkg, -S iirc |
| 11:45.18 | blondie | it's a fedora-specific problem so ask there |
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| 11:45.27 | berzerka | seeeS, okay thanks. |
| 11:45.30 | zeenix | bbrazil: no, -x |
| 11:45.35 | blondie | obviously the debian way won't work |
| 11:45.45 | xzu | Hmm. I installed sarge, used the installer set up software raid and use grub, but when i am only able to boot from the first disk... |
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| 11:46.05 | xzu | if i take a look with fdisk i do not see bootable partitions on either of the disks? |
| 11:46.10 | sep | xzu, did you install grub on both drive's MBR's ? |
| 11:46.23 | bbrazil | zeenix: so it is |
| 11:46.23 | xzu | sep: i just used sarges installer |
| 11:46.35 | xzu | sep: so i need to do this manually? |
| 11:46.41 | hammerabi | grub doesn't care about bootable-flagged partitions |
| 11:46.42 | seeeS | xzu: do it manually, it never works for me otherwise |
| 11:46.53 | xzu | i used lilo in prev setups |
| 11:47.13 | seeeS | root(hd0,1) setup(hd0) then the same for hd1 iirc |
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| 11:48.23 | xzu | ah ok, cheers! |
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| 11:48.40 | xzu | -i would consider this (a) bug(ish) of the installer then? |
| 11:48.45 | blafArd | i just installed cups, and I want to allow printing and administration from the local network. I tried adding Allow From 192.168.1.*, Allow From @Local and Allow from @IF(eth1) and then restarting cupsys, none of which worked. Any suggestions? |
| 11:48.53 | botsy | hi all |
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| 11:49.08 | xzu | wow that does not make any sense ;) I meant: that's a shame, I'll see if there is a bug report for that. |
| 11:49.13 | xzu | cheers seeeS and seeeS |
| 11:49.16 | xzu | argh. |
| 11:49.19 | xzu | cheers sep too |
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| 11:50.21 | Elly | hey guys |
| 11:50.29 | Elly | how do I get cdrecord to burn a CD? :( |
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| 11:50.41 | seeeS | bla: what do you mean by not work, no connection? no permission? |
| 11:50.48 | Greek-Boy | my apt-get seems to be buggered. Its finding that a lot of webmin components depend on webmin but webmin is already installed. Reinstalling it doesn't help either. Installing new packages causes compile errors. All this started since I removed perl. I reinstalled perl using dpkg but same result with apt-get. Any ideas? |
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| 11:50.56 | zeenix | thanks guys |
| 11:50.57 | jm_ | cdrecord man page has examples |
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| 11:51.05 | seeeS | you removed perl? |
| 11:51.20 | seeeS | do you nail sharp things into your feet too, just for fun? |
| 11:51.21 | berzerka | Elly: an existing iso image? |
| 11:51.30 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 11:52.01 | berzerka | Elly: cdrecord -v speed=XX dev=/dev/XXX -data XXX.iso |
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| 11:52.34 | quitte | Greek-Boy: how did you remove perl? |
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| 11:52.49 | Elly | I gave it '/dev/hdc' and it said it was readonly |
| 11:52.50 | blafArd | seeeS: i get a refused connection |
| 11:53.02 | seeeS | blaf: check the bind or port lines |
| 11:53.10 | blafArd | seeeS: i have flushed iptables as well, the port is 631 |
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| 11:53.26 | seeeS | blafArd, what does netstat -nl | grep 631 say? |
| 11:53.56 | berzerka | Elly: well, are you sure it is a recorder? |
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| 11:54.32 | Elly | yes, berserka |
| 11:54.36 | Elly | someone helped me burn with it before |
| 11:54.39 | Elly | but I forgot how =\ |
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| 11:55.11 | blafArd | seeeS, i get tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN and then udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* |
| 11:55.17 | Greek-Boy | quitte i used apt-get remove perl |
| 11:55.19 | Elly | he had me do something like |
| 11:55.27 | Elly | cdrecord devname=atapi -scanbus |
| 11:55.45 | jsan | my friends i try this command: messages saved-message then return Num,ber of messages in saved-message: 4 , but when i type readmsg 4 saved-messages return Could norcreate default mailbox: No reguistered handler. What i resolv this problem ? |
| 11:56.07 | mick_home | Elly: do you need to use the commandline (I missed the conversation) |
| 11:56.16 | hammerabi | Elly: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso |
| 11:56.19 | quitte | Greek-Boy: if i do that it wants to remove 209 packages. are you using sarge? |
| 11:56.27 | seeeS | blafArd, it is only listening to the loopback interface |
| 11:56.28 | Elly | hammerabi: I tried that, it said /dev/hdc was readonly |
| 11:56.36 | Elly | mick_home: I'd prefer to |
| 11:56.38 | berzerka | Elly: does "cat /proc/ide/ide1/hdc/model" return the model of your cd-writer? |
| 11:56.45 | hammerabi | Elly: uh, is it really your cd burner with a blank cd n it? |
| 11:56.49 | Elly | yes, it does |
| 11:56.52 | hammerabi | Elly: maybe you need to run cdrecord as root |
| 11:56.53 | Elly | hammerabi: I think so |
| 11:56.56 | mick_home | k3b is really nice - just do whatever you need to there and copy/paste the command that it uses |
| 11:56.59 | Elly | maybe the CD is not blank |
| 11:57.03 | Elly | I can't tell :P |
| 11:57.15 | berzerka | Elly: take a look at its surface. |
| 11:57.16 | mick_home | Elly: k3b is one of those things that "just works" |
| 11:57.31 | Elly | at its surface? |
| 11:57.33 | mick_home | kinda like a "cheat sheet" if you will ;-) |
| 11:57.33 | Elly | what for? |
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| 11:57.49 | mick_home | Elly: thats how you can see if its blank |
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| 11:57.53 | faber2 | hi evebry |
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| 11:58.01 | Elly | yeah |
| 11:58.04 | Elly | but what becomes different |
| 11:58.07 | Elly | when it's not?? |
| 11:58.07 | faber2 | whats the redhat "service" equiv in debian again? |
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| 11:58.19 | blafArd | seeeS: thank you |
| 11:58.23 | jm_ | faber2: update-rc.d, invoke-rc.d, ... |
| 11:58.45 | berzerka | Elly: you see the burned-in concentric circles beginning with small radius in the middle. |
| 11:58.57 | mick_home | faber2: /etc/init.d/servicename start/restart etc. ? |
| 11:59.02 | Elly | then no |
| 11:59.10 | mick_home | jm_: ah ok |
| 11:59.26 | Elly | alright fuck it |
| 11:59.28 | Elly | nevermind |
| 11:59.29 | Elly | I'm off |
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| 11:59.45 | quitte | Elly: have a look at a cd that contains data so you know what to look for |
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| 12:00.08 | faber2 | mick_home: i am looking for a script which is in the path an is able to start/stop scripts. |
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| 12:00.21 | seeeS | bah, whatch the lag-o-meter climb as i upload |
| 12:00.40 | tarzeau | has someone got testing/sid on i386 and an audio cd? |
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| 12:00.56 | seeeS | tarz: yeah |
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| 12:01.08 | tarzeau | seeeS: could you try playing it with opencubicplayer please? |
| 12:01.11 | quitte | tarzeau yes |
| 12:01.17 | seeeS | does that need X? |
| 12:01.17 | tarzeau | quitte: and you too? |
| 12:01.20 | tarzeau | no |
| 12:01.31 | seeeS | ohad__, this laptop is i386 |
| 12:01.36 | mage | hmmm fax receiving is quite hit or miss on my modem it seems |
| 12:02.37 | tarzeau | quitte, seeeS if you play it, can you tell me if the spectrum analyzer shows up or not? |
| 12:03.18 | takatumi | tarzeau: 1.9-2? |
| 12:03.24 | tarzeau | takatumi: yep |
| 12:03.35 | tarzeau | takatumi: actually 0.1.9-2 |
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| 12:05.09 | bassMonkey | what package is the lspci program part of? I just made a install of testing on a vmware VM but I don't have lspci. |
| 12:05.24 | jm_ | bassMonkey: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:05.33 | Bogaurd | if i want to move the folder for phpmyadmin from /var/www/phpmyadmin to somewhere else, and do the same thing for squirrelmail, what do i need to change so that i dont break anything? phpmyadmin and squirrelmail were installed by apt-get. |
| 12:05.48 | tarzeau | bassMonkey: pciutils |
| 12:05.57 | tarzeau | bassMonkey: on the install cd you can check /proc/pci at least with linux |
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| 12:06.05 | quitte | tarzeau: how do i play it? i selectedvdev/cdrom from that browser |
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| 12:06.17 | vulture | SerajewelKS: Now I am :) |
| 12:06.24 | blafArd | seeeS, all right, now i have admin access but i still can't print, should i think that is a misconfiguration of the client? |
| 12:06.25 | bassMonkey | tarzeau: ah, thank you! |
| 12:06.29 | tarzeau | quitte: doesn't list audio tracks? is /dev/cdrom pointing to the right device? |
| 12:06.53 | seeeS | baf, cannot print locally? |
| 12:06.53 | takatumi | tarzeau: it's pulling in freepats, ETA12mnts |
| 12:07.03 | quitte | tarzeau: yup. hdc |
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| 12:07.14 | tarzeau | takatumi: that's only a recommends, isn't it? |
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| 12:07.27 | tarzeau | quitte: hm strange, maybe i have to find an audio cd and get this to work |
| 12:07.30 | takatumi | tarzeau: aptitude, so it gets that as well. |
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| 12:07.57 | tarzeau | takatumi: 12 minutes isn't too bad, enough to visit the wife |
| 12:07.58 | seeeS | freepats? i dont have that |
| 12:08.06 | tarzeau | seeeS: you don't need it |
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| 12:08.18 | takatumi | tarzeau: exactamundo. (and kid) |
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| 12:08.33 | tarzeau | takatumi: kids often need more minutes |
| 12:08.41 | seeeS | my kid is asleep |
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| 12:10.32 | seeeS | tazle, how do you play a cd? |
| 12:10.36 | seeeS | bah |
| 12:10.53 | tarzeau | seeeS: in the fileselector, go very bottom and select cd? |
| 12:11.00 | jm_ | tarzeau: Debian install kernels don't include /proc/pci support, at least 2.6.8 doesn't |
| 12:11.05 | Bogaurd | if i want to move the folder for phpmyadmin from /var/www/phpmyadmin to somewhere else, and do the same thing for squirrelmail, what do i need to change so that i dont break anything? phpmyadmin and squirrelmail were installed by apt-get. |
| 12:11.11 | tarzeau | jm_: the 2.4 did |
| 12:11.24 | jm_ | tarzeau: I found that very annoying ;) |
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| 12:12.24 | seeeS | tarzeau, is slsect enter or space? nothing much happens |
| 12:13.10 | tarzeau | seeeS: enter |
| 12:13.16 | seeeS | Locating cdroms [...] |
| 12:13.23 | tarzeau | seeeS: double esc quits it... ok maybe audio cd don't work, i have to check |
| 12:13.36 | tarzeau | seeeS: /dev/cdrom points to the right device? |
| 12:13.38 | seeeS | it doesnt seem to like it |
| 12:13.41 | blafArd | seeeS: I was able to print a test page, so you are suggesting it is a permissions problem? |
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| 12:13.59 | seeeS | blafArd, yeah, ior a client |
| 12:14.11 | seeeS | tarzeau, cdrom points to hdc, thats the drive |
| 12:14.20 | quitte | tarzeau: mp3 works. cdaudio doesnt work at all |
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| 12:14.28 | tarzeau | seeeS: ok feel free to file a bug |
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| 12:14.33 | tarzeau | quitte: thanks |
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| 12:14.40 | tarzeau | quitte: ogg,mod,adlib also work fine |
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| 12:14.55 | tarzeau | quitte: midi is tricky to get working |
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| 12:15.56 | quitte | i know. midi is a pain. |
| 12:15.58 | takatumi | tarzeau: will test midi with freepats then. ;) |
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| 12:16.31 | tarzeau | takatumi: good luck |
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| 12:16.39 | tarzeau | quitte: it can sound good or horrible |
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| 12:16.50 | faisal_d | guys, i have sarge installed... will cause me any problems if i change my repositories to etch? |
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| 12:17.30 | quitte | tarzeau: once i got it working it was ok most of the time. hw midi with sblive |
| 12:17.32 | pzn | Hi! After upgrading the kernel to kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, iptables gives the following error: iptables v1.3.1: Unknown arg `--dport'. It was working OK before kernel upgrade. Any hints? |
| 12:17.46 | botsy | i have a problem with ldap ... if i use phpldapadmin or luma if i want to login the username is cn=admin,dc=toto,dc=com .... it's possible i modify it ? |
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| 12:18.29 | Greek-Boy | quitte I think i removed all those packages by accident. I'm running debian sarge |
| 12:18.36 | Greek-Boy | whats my way out now? |
| 12:18.48 | Bogaurd | if i want to move the folder for phpmyadmin from /var/www/phpmyadmin to somewhere else, and do the same thing for squirrelmail, what do i need to change so that i dont break anything? phpmyadmin and squirrelmail were installed by apt-get. |
| 12:19.03 | theD3viL | Greek-Boy, which packages ? |
| 12:19.09 | seeeS | boga, why do you want to do that? |
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| 12:19.25 | Greek-Boy | i needed to uninstall perl and reinstall so i did apt-get remove perl |
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| 12:19.42 | Greek-Boy | but apparantly that removes a shitload of packages and i think thats what the problem is |
| 12:19.53 | seeeS | yeah, removing perl is BAD |
| 12:19.54 | Greek-Boy | now i need to replace the missing packages |
| 12:20.03 | seeeS | considering stuff around dpkg uses it |
| 12:20.36 | theD3viL | Greek-Boy, hm...i removed 3/4 packages sometime..and have to reinstall...so i dont know answer to your question..sry |
| 12:20.47 | quitte | Greek-Boy: apt-get install --reinstall perl is what i'd do in the first place |
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| 12:21.05 | theD3viL | quitte, why ? |
| 12:21.15 | Greek-Boy | i'll keep that in mind |
| 12:21.16 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 12:21.25 | Greek-Boy | but what do I do now with all those packages missing? |
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| 12:21.55 | kyncani | Greek-Boy: install some top-levels packages that will pull in a shitload of dependencies, like gnome, kde, x-window-system |
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| 12:22.08 | quitte | theD3viL: to make sure it is properly installed with all dependencies. he said he used dpkg earlier. maybe he used some --force option. or rm'ed somewhere in the system |
| 12:22.19 | deadcat | mplayer repo down? |
| 12:22.30 | quitte | Greek-Boy: let apt handle it's dependencies |
| 12:22.45 | Greek-Boy | its telling me to do apt-get -f install |
| 12:22.47 | Greek-Boy | and i tried that |
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| 12:23.09 | quitte | Greek-Boy: what does apt-get tell you exactly when installing an mplayer module? paste in #paste |
| 12:23.22 | quitte | Greek-Boy: paste output |
| 12:23.42 | quitte | Greek-Boy: s/mplayer/webmin |
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| 12:32.22 | Shadowcat | sigh |
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| 12:32.29 | asperon | anybody installed/used syncML on a debian box? |
| 12:32.29 | Shadowcat | I wish they'd fix the broken kernel in sid |
| 12:32.54 | seeeS | why, life is certainly more exciting with that kernel |
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| 12:33.28 | seeeS | i never knew there was that dash shell thingy when it all borks until that kernel came along |
| 12:33.31 | Shadowcat | !beat seeeS |
| 12:35.20 | Tortel | !beat himself |
| 12:35.24 | Tortel | :) |
| 12:35.29 | tarzeau | seeeS: have you tried nexenta gnu/opensolaris? |
| 12:35.50 | tarzeau | seeeS: it failed to install on two computers here (with the grub part). plan9 installed fine, but oh well |
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| 12:36.08 | tarzeau | i managed to get used how their mouse/window handling works in rio .. but that's about it |
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| 12:36.50 | seeeS | noflex, i have avoided opensolaris |
| 12:37.47 | petemc | i got a t shirt |
| 12:38.13 | helter | hello, can anybody tell me if iwconfig supports wpa-psk and if it does, is the configuration as straightforward as wep? |
| 12:38.16 | seeeS | well, the fixed psmisc is about to hit the ftp servers |
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| 12:39.09 | henryIV | hello, can somenone give me irc channel debian frenh ? |
| 12:39.19 | tarzeau | !french |
| 12:39.20 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:39.23 | quitte | !fr |
| 12:39.24 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:39.31 | tarzeau | does someone have an idea of the total size of debian packages when it's all uncompressed? |
| 12:39.50 | kartoo | my lftp complains that i dont have a tls connection. what package should i install? gnutls-bin and libgnutls are already installed |
| 12:39.57 | henryIV | merci |
| 12:40.03 | takatumi | tarzeau: how much in 7zip? |
| 12:40.14 | tarzeau | takatumi: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/ |
| 12:40.17 | markit | mm cound someone do something against the nick "Type"? as soon as I've entered, I've receinved this message: [13:38] <Type> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos (I've disabled private chat protection) |
| 12:40.27 | takatumi | tarzeau: saw that. |
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| 12:40.32 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm just running a uncompress and check sizes run... should be finished in half an hour |
| 12:40.37 | caphuso | markit: /help ignore |
| 12:40.42 | takatumi | tarzeau: light on the cpu? |
| 12:40.43 | tarzeau | takatumi: i've added timing numbers just before |
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| 12:40.51 | tarzeau | takatumi: check the timings :) |
| 12:41.11 | tarzeau | takatumi: light on cpu alone doesn't matter |
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| 12:41.28 | tarzeau | takatumi: there are factors like, speed of writing the data to harddisk, speed of internet, and speed of cpu |
| 12:41.34 | takatumi | tarzeau: ofcourse. :) |
| 12:41.50 | tarzeau | takatumi: small packages need less diskwrite/internet, but more cpu. big package need more diskwrite, almost no cpu |
| 12:42.12 | tarzeau | takatumi: and these can be different for different regions and people |
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| 12:42.38 | takatumi | tarzeau: uh? |
| 12:42.46 | tarzeau | takatumi: i think with sid 7z would be fantastic.... |
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| 12:43.01 | tarzeau | takatumi: there's placed with horrible internet, i'd be glad downloads are minimal |
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| 12:43.12 | tarzeau | takatumi: and then i don't care for the one-time uncompression... |
| 12:43.29 | takatumi | tarzeau: sounds logical. |
| 12:44.29 | Bogaurd | if i want to move the folder for phpmyadmin from /var/www/phpmyadmin to somewhere else, and do the same thing for squirrelmail, what do i need to change so that i dont break anything? phpmyadmin and squirrelmail were installed by apt-get. |
| 12:44.45 | Bogaurd | sureley i need to change some settings so that paths remain updated? |
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| 12:45.21 | takatumi | tarzeau: managed a segmentation fault with ocp. |
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| 12:46.07 | tarzeau | takatumi: not too hard |
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| 12:46.20 | tarzeau | takatumi: can you reproduce it? |
| 12:46.24 | nukeu666 | bogaurd:u can shift phpmyadmin anywhere in the documentroot if u want to continue using it...for sqmail u can run the config from th new place to see the settings |
| 12:46.32 | takatumi | tarzeau: will try, want me strace it? |
| 12:46.38 | petemc | Bogaurd: the Documentroot , and squirrelmail may need DirectoryIndex too |
| 12:46.56 | tarzeau | takatumi: no, if it happens on one special file, send that to upstream, if it's good music cc: me |
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| 12:47.22 | Bogaurd | petemc: i know i need to change the apache settings, but surely i need to change some settings so that dpkg knows where the packages have moved to - for updates and such? |
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| 12:48.03 | takatumi | tarzeau: it happened on /, cant send that upsream or to you. :D |
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| 12:49.23 | jospo | did anyone try to install synaptic or gnome-apt or aptitude on Debian Experimental? |
| 12:49.42 | jvw | Bogaurd: phpmyadmin adn squirremail are not in /var/www |
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| 12:49.56 | jospo | I got "libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 not available" |
| 12:49.58 | jvw | Bogaurd: there's only a symlink there to point to the correct location in an effort to just-make-it-work |
| 12:49.59 | Bogaurd | jvw: hmm. mine are =\ |
| 12:50.09 | Bogaurd | jvw: oh cool =) |
| 12:50.21 | jvw | Bogaurd: I'm pretty sure it's only a symlink, use ls -l /var/www to find out |
| 12:50.36 | jvw | Bogaurd: that leads me to the question... why do you want to change it at all? |
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| 12:51.29 | Bogaurd | jvw: i'm setting up virtualhosts, i dont want www.site.net to have www.site.net/phpmyadmin/, i want phpmyadmin.site.net |
| 12:51.52 | Bogaurd | jvw: there is a symlink for phpmyadmin, but not for squirrelmail |
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| 12:52.58 | orchid | what does PREEMPT mean in uname -a output? |
| 12:52.59 | jvw | Bogaurd: you want to change your apache config then instead, there are instructions in /etc/{squirrelmail,phpmyadmin}/apache.conf even for that |
| 12:53.12 | jvw | orchid: that's a kernel patch applied to the kernel |
| 12:53.30 | jvw | orchid: it's standard in 2.6 ttbomk, but for 2.4, an unofficial patch |
| 12:53.58 | orchid | jvw: I see, it's the debian 2.6.14 kernel |
| 12:54.01 | orchid | thanks |
| 12:54.12 | jvw | orchid: oh, that might indicate I'm wrong :) |
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| 12:54.28 | orchid | is it short for preemptive? |
| 12:54.34 | jvw | orchid: yeah |
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| 12:57.21 | theD3viL | how to install flash player for firefox ? |
| 12:57.26 | Bogaurd | jvw: thanks :) those files are just instructions, right? they dont actually *do* anything by themselves? |
| 12:58.40 | jm_ | theD3viL: just put it in a dir where Firefox will find it |
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| 13:00.39 | theD3viL | jm_, eh..i installed it with firefox..tnx anyway :) |
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| 13:01.24 | cahoot | theD3viL: doesn't show up in about:plugins (or what it's called) |
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| 13:03.19 | jvw | Bogaurd: err |
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| 13:03.34 | jvw | Bogaurd: apache.conf is by default *used*, it's included from your apache config files |
| 13:03.47 | jvw | Bogaurd: so, yes, they actually do stuff, and it's important that they do stuff |
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| 13:04.00 | jvw | Bogaurd: of course, you can drop the include, and copy the relevant bits to your apache config yourself... |
| 13:04.24 | Bogaurd | jvw: those files are not included.... i know my apache config. also, those files contain directories that dont exist. |
| 13:04.55 | Bogaurd | jvw: it seems for some reason that the squirrelmail files are actually in my /var/www |
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| 13:05.17 | Bogaurd | I can sort it all out from here =) |
| 13:05.20 | Bogaurd | thanks jvw. |
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| 13:06.48 | jvw | *blink*, oh well, I'm the squirrelmail maintainer, and I know that if your files are in /var/www, something has been fucked up, but oh well |
| 13:06.55 | rene | Hello, can someone tell me howto mount a network drive like that: mount -t nfs myusername@192... /mnt , please? |
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| 13:08.32 | tuntx | hi there... i just installe base debian, and trying to put cron to work, but it doesnt seem to do... can n1 help me? |
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| 13:09.18 | jm_ | rene: mount host:/export /mountpoint |
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| 13:10.06 | rene | jm: thanxs, the problem is howto set the username |
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| 13:11.47 | rene | jm: ah okay, this is why i can*t find ;-) thanxs for your help, bye |
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| 13:15.49 | tuntx | Can n1 tell me why crontab -e isnt working in my debian (latst stable)? I just installed the base system.. isnt that supposed to be enough? |
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| 13:16.33 | jm_ | tuntx: what does "isnt working" mean? |
| 13:16.34 | caphuso | tuntx: because it's on strike? |
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| 13:17.18 | Garp | Hi |
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| 13:19.53 | Garp | Question (about Audacity, if better channel for it, let me know): In audacity, when zooming, selecting and applying an effect, the track display is unzoomed autiomatically, this is really boring when working on a long recording, because I have to zoom back to the location I'm working on on each applied effect (not very nice for trial&errors work...). This suddenly appeared on a newly openned file, it wasnt doing that before. Any sugestion ? Thanks. |
| 13:20.45 | cahoot | Garp: #lad *might* be more appropriate |
| 13:21.38 | Garp | cahoot: OK, thanks, I'll try there. |
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| 13:22.32 | cahoot | Garp: btw tried and discarded ardour for the job? |
| 13:22.47 | tuntx | jm: i put a line like "0 0 0 0 0 '/bin/ls /'" just to try if it works, but it doenst. cron process is up |
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| 13:23.18 | jm_ | tuntx: so you're saying it shows up in spool but doesn't get executed? |
| 13:23.30 | tuntx | exactly |
| 13:23.41 | kbr | crontab -l ? |
| 13:23.48 | Garp | tuntx: sure (enough) it's not executed? |
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| 13:24.07 | caphuso | there isn't a zeroth month |
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| 13:24.23 | jm_ | tuntx: well all zeros is somewhat weird |
| 13:24.25 | caphuso | or a zeroth day of month |
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| 13:25.03 | Garp | tuntx: many stars should likely replace those zeroes for testing... |
| 13:25.19 | tuntx | is shows on crontab -l |
| 13:25.38 | Garp | cahoot: No, Is ardour a good concurent ? |
| 13:25.39 | tuntx | hav tryed even to put the job as root, but still doesnt work |
| 13:25.43 | markit | hi, I've a problem with asterisk and visdn, that put modules in the wrong place, i.e. 2.6.14 instead of 2.6.14-2, for instance. I've been answered that is a debian problem, not their, could someone please have a look at the thread I've pastebin and tell me |
| 13:25.53 | caphuso | tuntx: so what? it's still wrong |
| 13:25.56 | markit | if I've done something wrong or is their fould? http://pastebin.ca/33884 thanks a lot |
| 13:25.58 | Garp | tuntx: the zero seems irreklevant: it just never append |
| 13:26.04 | caphuso | using a different user won't make it any more correct |
| 13:26.20 | jm_ | and '/bin/ls /' is also wrong |
| 13:26.42 | tuntx | what about an echo? isnt it supposed to work? |
| 13:26.43 | kbr | oh yes, use * * * * * for testing every minute |
| 13:26.45 | resiak | cahoot: I discarded Ardour after I discovered that when I tell it to make a new project, it expands to fill my ram then dies. |
| 13:26.55 | jm_ | use echo as long as your mail delivery works |
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| 13:27.04 | jm_ | and don't do 'echo foo' |
| 13:27.20 | cahoot | resiak: wow |
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| 13:27.36 | resiak | cahoot: Yeah. Did I mention that audio on Linux is a bit dodgy? ;) |
| 13:27.37 | Garp | tuntx: touching a file (touch ~/foo) would help if your email is wrongly configured |
| 13:27.54 | Garp | tuntx: you would see it even then... |
| 13:28.16 | cahoot | resiak: even demudi? |
| 13:28.31 | tuntx | what if I put * * * * * echo "hello" |
| 13:28.38 | tuntx | isnt it supposed to work? |
| 13:28.44 | Garp | cahoot: ardour looks cool, I remember trying it, but quite a lonbg time ago... |
| 13:28.55 | Garp | tuntx: where will the hello goes ? |
| 13:28.57 | resiak | cahoot: When I have a spare machine to try Demudi on, I will. |
| 13:29.12 | cahoot | Garp: see the dismal msg from resiak above |
| 13:29.17 | Garp | tuntx: not on any of your interactive terminal |
| 13:29.17 | tuntx | Im willing it prints on my terminal |
| 13:29.20 | resiak | Garp: It may well work for you. |
| 13:29.32 | kbr | see "man 5 crontab" |
| 13:29.38 | resiak | It may well also not work ;) |
| 13:29.54 | tuntx | ok, so what if a create a file to check its working? |
| 13:29.58 | Garp | tuntx: printing on a terminal will be quite difficult from cron |
| 13:30.08 | tuntx | say touch /root/nothing |
| 13:30.21 | tuntx | thats supposed to work, right? |
| 13:30.23 | Garp | tuntx: that what i suggested (c reating a file): "touch ~/foo" would be good. |
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| 13:30.41 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 13:31.09 | Garp | tuntx: all stderr/stdout goes to the user by email, in default config of cron, so with "echo hello" you'll usually get an email sayg "hello", |
| 13:31.34 | Garp | tuntx: I would suggest you to read the man for crontab and work from one of the given exa,ple |
| 13:31.59 | Garp | cahoot, resiak : thanks for the info, I'll evluate ardour again when I find time for it. |
| 13:32.22 | tuntx | ok, Ill do that, but dont u think it should create the file by something like "* * * * * touch /nothing" |
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| 13:32.37 | Garp | tuntx: yes. |
| 13:33.36 | tuntx | garp, I put that line and it worked |
| 13:33.50 | cahoot | Garp: I suppose the really geeky way is to use ecasound - purely CLI |
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| 13:34.07 | tuntx | thank u very much ^^ |
| 13:34.51 | nixxie | !test |
| 13:34.51 | dpkg | Yes, nixxie, you're still online. |
| 13:35.47 | Garp | cahoot: Seing the waveform is sometimes very useful... Even if the operation I want to do could idealy be done automatcally (from cli), but with a quite good system (goals is to clean-up voice recording, removing 'clicks', noise, compressng a bit, and such). |
| 13:36.17 | Garp | cahoot: for a fully automatic processing, you need to trust your algorithm pretty well ;) |
| 13:36.44 | Garp | ardour: [ERROR]: Could not connect to JACK server as "ardour" |
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| 13:36.54 | binary_dreamer | hi i need a repository for sarge, of a stable version of kde. i am running 3.3 at the moment, and i would like a newest. |
| 13:36.56 | Garp | (I'll try later, then ;) |
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| 13:37.54 | resiak | Garp: Start jackd |
| 13:38.02 | resiak | Garp: qjackctl is _really_ useful |
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| 13:38.52 | quitte | i followed thiscrontab discussin. as root it works - but not as user |
| 13:38.53 | Garp | resiak: yes, I know... I ran it for rosegarden and such... But its pretty complex and last time I checked it wouldnt work with my soundcard properly (at least midi) |
| 13:38.54 | resiak | binary_dreamer: You're on your own, but check backports.org. |
| 13:39.05 | resiak | Garp: Midi kills me. :) |
| 13:39.42 | Garp | resiak: I changed coputer recently and no more useful midi with the onboard soundcard... |
| 13:39.50 | Garp | OK, anyway. I'll go. |
| 13:40.07 | Garp | work with audacity and I'll see ardour next time. |
| 13:41.44 | resiak | Garp: On-board cards are a particular badness. One day I will restore my desktop, which has a real sound card, to working order and try to get sound stuff working adequately, then write a howto ;) |
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| 13:42.20 | Garp | resiak: good idea :) |
| 13:42.36 | Garp | OK, thanks everybody, I go now. Have to fininsh this editing... |
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| 13:47.25 | possie | hi |
| 13:47.57 | possie | is there a way for dpkg to follow dependencies when removing a package? |
| 13:48.19 | quitte | possie: yes, use apt |
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| 13:49.30 | CorfuVBProgr | Hello . . . |
| 13:49.32 | CorfuVBProgr | :D |
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| 13:49.51 | kbr | quitte: apt and which options? |
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| 13:50.00 | CorfuVBProgr | Any woman for virtual xxx ? ? ? |
| 13:50.07 | EdLin | kbr: apt-get remove --purge |
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| 13:50.27 | possie | quitte: but i thougt it wasn't possible to purge via apt-get |
| 13:50.37 | CorfuVBProgr | Any woman for virtual xxx ? ? ? |
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| 13:50.54 | CorfuVBProgr | Any woman for virtual xxx ? ? ? PRV ! ! ! |
| 13:50.59 | possie | quitte: thanks for the tip |
| 13:51.09 | kbr | and this really removes depending packages which are no longer used by an other? |
| 13:51.57 | kbr | i thought, --purge only removes configfiles |
| 13:51.58 | EdLin | kbr: maybe deborphan |
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| 13:52.11 | CorfuVBProgr | ny woman for virtual xxx ? ? ? PRIVE . . . ! ! ! ! |
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| 13:52.52 | markit | no one can answer my question? |
| 13:52.53 | azeem | CorfuVBProgr: wrong chan |
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| 13:53.12 | kurumin | oi |
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| 13:53.17 | kurumin | gjhkg |
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| 13:53.19 | CorfuVBProgr | Why not ? ? ? |
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| 13:53.39 | azeem | CorfuVBProgr: this is a technical chan about the Debian operating system, see http://www.debian.org |
| 13:53.58 | azeem | CorfuVBProgr: if you have no questions about Debian or want to support Debian users, please either keep quiet or leave |
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| 13:54.08 | azeem | thanks |
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| 13:54.25 | kurumin | bsvbksdnfng |
| 13:54.27 | CorfuVBProgr | Come on my ladies ! ! ! ! Don't be sie . . . :D |
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| 13:54.29 | CorfuVBProgr | ;-) |
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| 13:55.16 | pyksel | hello |
| 13:55.17 | azeem | CorfuVBProgr: you have been silenced due to inappropriate and off-topic talking in here |
| 13:55.23 | fireba11 | azeem: thanks |
| 13:55.28 | kurumin | jnnb |
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| 13:55.37 | kurumin | mvcm mgfen.dhmfhello |
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| 13:55.42 | pyksel | how i can choise xserver? i want to use xfree86, but i have xorg, dpkg-reconfigure what? |
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| 13:56.11 | EdLin | azeem: thanks for the +b's |
| 13:56.13 | azeem | kurumin: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to prior off-topic flooding etc. |
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| 13:56.35 | azeem | kurumin: if you continue to be off-topic, you will get removed from the chan |
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| 13:57.21 | factor | what is the best way to remaster a bootable cd llike knoppix? |
| 13:57.36 | petemc | factor: google for knoppix remaster and read |
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| 13:57.55 | factor | I have |
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| 13:58.04 | EdLin | factor: knoppix is off-topic here |
| 13:58.05 | factor | just stuck with bootable cds with 2.4 kernals on them |
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| 13:58.10 | pyksel | please, where pckg i must dpkg-reconfigure for changins my xserver? please, i can find it |
| 13:58.14 | factor | like knoppix |
| 13:58.26 | azeem | pyksel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:58.33 | azeem | pyksel: or xserver-xorg, should you run testing |
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| 13:59.03 | pyksel | azeem: i will to change of xorg to free86 |
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| 13:59.19 | factor | what is the best way to update from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 13:59.20 | azeem | pyksel: I don't undestand |
| 13:59.37 | pyksel | azeem: I have xorg, but I want to change to xfree86 |
| 13:59.41 | azeem | pyksel: why? |
| 13:59.41 | factor | I can make bootable cds but how do I make it boot to a new kernel |
| 13:59.55 | jm_ | factor: your own CD-s or what? |
| 13:59.59 | factor | yup |
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| 14:00.12 | factor | when it boots I get module errors. |
| 14:00.14 | jm_ | read GRUB docs, it explains how to make CD with GRUB on it |
| 14:00.20 | factor | k |
| 14:00.24 | jm_ | or use isolinux, that's trivial too |
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| 14:00.32 | factor | yeah i use isoolinux |
| 14:00.36 | factor | ok |
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| 14:00.53 | pyksel | azeem: I have a lot of problems with, for example i have sometimes the horizontal lines in my screen, when i wrtie,... i have the v/h sync value from my manual of my screen, and in free86 that work fine |
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| 14:01.52 | azeem | pyksel: hrm, do you run stable or testing? |
| 14:01.57 | pyksel | azeem: testing |
| 14:02.10 | pyksel | upgrade of stable |
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| 14:02.20 | azeem | well, I guess you could just try to install the xserver-xfree86 from stable, but I am not sure whether this is a good idea |
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| 14:02.41 | azeem | pyksel: better see whether your problem has been reported as a bug at bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg, and file a bug if not |
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| 14:02.44 | azeem | so that it gets fixed |
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| 14:03.03 | jm_ | so that you have at least some hope of getting it fixed ;) |
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| 14:03.29 | azeem | pyksel: you could also try asking in #debian-x, but maybe nobody is active there at the moment |
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| 14:07.35 | bpuzon | Hi... Is there any startup file I can put all "route" commands into? (Something like /etc/network/interfaces for settig eth* |
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| 14:08.42 | aidehua | In Indian, is it that case that there is a lower-class of people who do not have surnames? |
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| 14:09.16 | aidehua | Most odd. |
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| 14:09.35 | abrotman | aidehua: he just didn't want you to report him |
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| 14:09.49 | aidehua | abrotman: she, but maybe that's what they meant, yes |
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| 14:10.35 | abrotman | my word .. who's doing all the k-lining |
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| 14:11.20 | bpuzon | Hi... Is there any startup file I can put all "route" commands into? (Something like /etc/network/interfaces for settig eth*) |
| 14:11.36 | jm_ | you can use up script from interfaces file |
| 14:11.55 | jm_ | or execute them as up script rather |
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| 14:12.12 | doleyb | bpuzon: well, you can put the command right in /etc/network/interfaces, with pre-up |
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| 14:12.38 | bpuzon | doleyb jm_ Or just add an another entry in /etc/rc2.d? |
| 14:12.51 | jm_ | bpuzon: that's an option too |
| 14:13.13 | doleyb | bpuzon: sure you can do rc2... but the commands are really meant to happen when the network is activated, right? |
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| 14:13.39 | doleyb | bpuzon: making it a "post-up" condition in interfaces means that it always happens when network is restarted |
| 14:14.02 | bpuzon | doleyb Hmm.. I can't find arguments to deny |
| 14:14.06 | aidehua | abrotman: I just phoned the call centre again and spoke to Namasambra Hishwari. |
| 14:14.20 | aidehua | She explained to me that, depending on family background in Eastern India, you may or may not have a surname. |
| 14:14.28 | doleyb | bpuzon: man interfaces and search for "post" |
| 14:14.28 | abrotman | aidehua: sounds very odd |
| 14:14.37 | aidehua | ...and I gather that it is basically to do with whether you are a country bumpkin or not. |
| 14:14.42 | bpuzon | doleyb I didn't think about it in that way |
| 14:15.01 | bpuzon | doleyb jm_ thanx... |
| 14:15.03 | nikko | hi... I have a zepto laptop. When the mashine is in the booting process, it just "hang" after printing the line: ohci1394_0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[10] MMIO=... Max Packet=... what shall I do? |
| 14:15.09 | aidehua | Those without surnames choose their names from a vast pool of identifiers, much like American fornames, but unlike European fornames, which tend to be more limited, for example. |
| 14:15.37 | aidehua | First Great Western Telesales (East India branch) proved to be a most enlightening cultural source! :) |
| 14:16.04 | ernstable | So a name for these indians is like an irc nick? Have they tried varying the capitalisation and including 1337-speak in their names? |
| 14:16.41 | aidehua | n4m4s4mbz0r_h1shw4rI |
| 14:16.42 | aidehua | ? |
| 14:16.49 | doleyb | ernstable: in some provinces of india, 2% of people have same last name. |
| 14:16.52 | aidehua | They look 1337 enough to me :) |
| 14:17.14 | jk_work | Icelanders don't have surnames even today. |
| 14:17.37 | jk_work | In mainland Scandinavia, surnames became common over the period 1880-1920 |
| 14:17.41 | jm_ | they're all Gunnarssons there ;) |
| 14:17.58 | jk_work | Yes, but it only tells you the name of their father. |
| 14:18.05 | jm_ | right, like in Russia |
| 14:18.09 | jk_work | The telephone book is sorted by given name |
| 14:18.27 | jk_work | shutting up, before I get silenced |
| 14:19.18 | ski_ | and 'dottir' for females .. |
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| 14:19.55 | pshaggy | is there a way to make "famd" not consume ~50% of my cpu usage? |
| 14:20.05 | doleyb | pshaggy: apt-get remove fam |
| 14:20.11 | aidehua | pshaggy: buy another CPU |
| 14:20.13 | pshaggy | so it isn't necessary |
| 14:20.22 | jm_ | pshaggy: I don't have it installed so it doesn't use any CPU cycles for me |
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| 14:21.16 | nikko | please help..... people.... |
| 14:21.17 | nikko | hi... I have a zepto laptop. When the mashine is in the booting process, it just "hang" after printing the line: ohci1394_0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[10] MMIO=... Max Packet=... what shall I do? |
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| 14:23.46 | saloxin | wohoo, backports.org now supports sarge :-D http://planet.debian.org |
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| 14:29.53 | resiak | !afo |
| 14:29.54 | dpkg | azeem for ops! |
| 14:30.04 | resiak | That wasn't what I hoped for. |
| 14:30.36 | resiak | :P |
| 14:31.02 | azeem | saloxin: it has been supporting sarge unofficially for a while now |
| 14:31.52 | Dewi | azeem: I couldn't find them |
| 14:32.04 | azeem | Dewi: they were in /pending |
| 14:32.14 | Dewi | there was no /pending that I could find |
| 14:32.17 | azeem | nobse was talking about them a bit on the frontpage |
| 14:32.26 | azeem | Dewi: well, there was until yesterday |
| 14:32.31 | Dewi | I was looking yesterday |
| 14:32.34 | azeem | :) |
| 14:32.38 | Dewi | :P |
| 14:32.41 | azeem | it's all good now |
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| 14:33.07 | Dewi | yeah |
| 14:33.11 | Dewi | I have a warm sarge glow |
| 14:33.21 | Dewi | all over my body |
| 14:33.29 | Dewi | or it might be the vodka |
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| 14:43.12 | d7rt | perhaps someone can enlighten me as to a curious observation after installing the recently patched kernels (released as security updates) |
| 14:43.49 | d7rt | after upgrading and booting into the newly installed kernel, "uname -a" shows me that the kernel was apparently built in mid-August |
| 14:43.52 | quitte | is there a software raid mode like raid5 but usable with disks of different sizes? |
| 14:44.12 | d7rt | which seems really odd to me |
| 14:44.21 | azeem | d7rt: right, that's when the kernel-source got built apparently |
| 14:44.36 | jm_ | and apparently the changelog is equally puzzling |
| 14:44.37 | d7rt | this happened on two machines, one witha 2.4.27 and one with 2.6.8 |
| 14:44.42 | azeem | took a "while" to get the kernels built and tested on all arches, as they are not autobuildable |
| 14:44.58 | d7rt | thx azeem |
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| 14:45.49 | xcyborg | how do I disable automatic loading of a module on boot ? I tried adding that module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist but it doesn't seem to help |
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| 14:46.07 | jm_ | try also /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist or somesuch |
| 14:46.14 | azeem | xcyborg: well, those things change frequently, especially if you're running unstable |
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| 14:46.21 | azeem | so be sure you got the right location |
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| 14:47.53 | surface | hi |
| 14:47.58 | surface | i need help on cups |
| 14:48.03 | berzerka | me 2 ;) |
| 14:48.17 | surface | i setup my printer on debian box |
| 14:48.42 | surface | i make it browsable from windows site |
| 14:49.08 | surface | and windows box also successfully add the printer |
| 14:49.15 | surface | but it can'[t print |
| 14:49.39 | surface | test page failed to print... |
| 14:49.57 | surface | "unable to create a print job" xp complain |
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| 14:51.15 | eliteforce | hi |
| 14:52.38 | eliteforce | can somebody tell me why i dont get emails from sysklogd? (config line: daemon.*;mail.*;news.crit;news.err;news.notice;*.=debug;*.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn /var/mail/root) |
| 14:54.12 | xcyborg | azeem: ok, so actually I run ubuntu on the laptop and cannot seem to figure out how to disable the loading of a particular module |
| 14:54.24 | azeem | xcyborg: hrm, they might do it differently |
| 14:54.29 | azeem | xcyborg: better ask in #ubuntu then |
| 14:54.35 | xcyborg | azeem: bt the question remains for debian, too... I didn't manage to do it on debian either |
| 14:54.45 | xcyborg | azeem: I already asked, no answer :) |
| 14:55.01 | azeem | xcyborg: hrm, so try their support mailing list or forum, or try again tomorrow |
| 14:55.14 | azeem | we're really not help you here, sorry |
| 14:55.14 | xcyborg | I don't have a modprobe.d/blacklist file |
| 14:55.39 | azeem | xcyborg: check the udev and hotplug documentation in /usr/share/doc |
| 14:55.52 | abrotman | and maybe discover ? |
| 14:56.33 | azeem | I don't thin they use discover |
| 14:56.44 | azeem | maybe still in the installer, but not for the main system |
| 14:58.11 | quitte | i have got 3 disks of 9G, 4 disks with 4,5G, a 10G and a 20G disk. i'd like to combine them to one logical disk with redundancy so that any disk can die. is there some raid level to do that? |
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| 14:59.31 | mathias64 | is there a document that details the upgrade path from 2.6.8 to 2.6.14 on 686? |
| 14:59.32 | abrotman | use the 20GB to back up the 4*4.5GB :) |
| 15:00.18 | markit | mathias64: beware that latest kernel has big problems with anothe upgrade, I did a dist-upgrade and was not able to reboot |
| 15:00.39 | mathias64 | markit: you can always boot into the old kernel. Just hit down at the grub menu |
| 15:00.55 | antgel | quitte: 5 |
| 15:00.57 | quitte | maybe i should just leave the 20G out and stripe the 4,5G to two 9G |
| 15:01.14 | quitte | antgel: raid 5 needs equal size disks afaik |
| 15:01.34 | markit | mathias64: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/2753cb541ae3b0c2/547180b535b45766?lnk=st&q=debian+%2Fbin%2Fcat%3A+%2Fsys%2Fblock%2Fhda%2Fdev%3A+No+such+file+or+directory&rnum=1&hl=it#547180b535b45766 |
| 15:01.37 | antgel | quitte: good point |
| 15:02.00 | markit | mathias64: correct, I just had no old kernel, because upgraded from 2.6.14-4 to 2.6.14-5 |
| 15:02.06 | markit | or something like that |
| 15:02.18 | markit | anyone can answer my module problem? |
| 15:02.30 | mathias64 | markit: that's the problem I am working to fix on my system. It's jsut a bad initrd I think. I am going to try making a new initrd to see if that works |
| 15:02.45 | markit | I've a problem with asterisk and visdn, that put modules in the wrong place, i.e. 2.6.14 instead of 2.6.14-2, for instance. I've been answered that is a debian problem, not their, could someone please have a look at the thread I've pastebin and tell me if I've done something wrong or is their fould? http://pastebin.ca/33884 thanks a lot |
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| 15:03.27 | markit | mathias64: sorry, I did not read your questions, just reading 2.6.14 and 686 triggered that instinctive warning to you, to save you time :) |
| 15:03.38 | nukeu666 | where is mail stored? /var/spool/mail or /home/<user>/mbox? |
| 15:03.55 | abrotman | markit: if it returns uname -r as -2 .. seems correct |
| 15:04.37 | mathias64 | markit: like Menardi said in the thread, you need to hack the install scripts to put the modules in the right place. That seem like a simple makefile change to me |
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| 15:05.52 | markit | mathias64: I'm menardi :) so their blame to debian are unfounded and wrong? |
| 15:06.00 | markit | how can I argument against them? |
| 15:06.43 | markit | abrotman: but debian has just a unified source for kernels? I've no linux-sources-2.6.14-2, correct? |
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| 15:07.06 | mathias64 | markit: well, they are saying that debian puts things in a different place than the default linux kernel install. so in that sense, it is debian's fault. But since you are installing kernel modules on your own, it's really your job to put everything in the right place; an official debian package would take care of it for you |
| 15:07.14 | alephant | hi everyone |
| 15:07.17 | markit | because in the Makefile of the kernel sources, as you can seel, EXTRAVERSION = is empty |
| 15:07.37 | alephant | I just rebooted my workstation and although there's been no kernel upgrade suddenly my sound card is broken |
| 15:07.43 | alephant | can someone help me diagnose? |
| 15:08.15 | mathias64 | markit: you could look into the debian kernel building howto, it might have instructions on how to add other modules to the modules package when you compile. |
| 15:08.23 | markit | mathias64: well, they tell "if your Makefile in the source has no EXTRAVERSION =, and you have 2.6.14-2, that means that you have the wrong source" |
| 15:08.45 | valdyn | alephant: uname -r |
| 15:09.11 | alephant | valdyn - hand-rolled :) |
| 15:09.18 | alephant | 2.6.14.3-onion_2005-11-28_0 |
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| 15:09.44 | mathias64 | markit: you could try compiling a fresh debian kernel package, along with your modules, to make all the versions match. |
| 15:09.52 | valdyn | alephant: alsa or oss? |
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| 15:10.05 | alephant | valdyn - alsa, IIRC |
| 15:10.12 | alephant | valdyn - confirming |
| 15:10.17 | valdyn | alephant: cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 15:10.33 | alephant | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.33 | alephant | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.33 | alephant | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.34 | alephant | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.34 | alephant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:10.40 | markit | mathias64: I just want to know if I'm doing something wrong, so they are right, or if they should accomodate the way debian does things, if they want to deploy for debian also |
| 15:10.42 | alephant | sorry |
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| 15:10.55 | valdyn | alephant: obviously you do have sound, what exactly is not working? |
| 15:11.03 | alephant | hearing it :-) |
| 15:11.08 | alephant | Speakers verifed working |
| 15:11.12 | markit | right now, and I've no posted the full reply, they tell me "debian sucks, change distro", more or less |
| 15:11.27 | alephant | starting xmms gives... hang on |
| 15:12.09 | alephant | so valdyn - /proc/asound/devices indicates the devices hooked up to drivers, correct? |
| 15:12.19 | valdyn | alephant: yep |
| 15:12.36 | valdyn | alephant: check your volume, tell me what xmms gives |
| 15:12.58 | alephant | xmms is set to 100%, but "aumix" used to work but now doesn't |
| 15:13.03 | alephant | /dev/mixer is missing, /dev/dsp is missing |
| 15:13.33 | mathias64 | markit: the debian kernel system is not at all the same as the default, so it is unlikely that other people will go out of their way to support it. |
| 15:13.36 | valdyn | alephant: so you dont have alsa installed properly, then again i dislike its oss emultion so its not really bad, just oss applications will not work |
| 15:13.47 | alephant | /dev/dsp is oss? |
| 15:13.54 | alephant | what are the sound devices for alsa? |
| 15:14.01 | valdyn | alephant: it is created by alsa's oss emulation modules |
| 15:14.08 | alephant | i didn't know that |
| 15:14.16 | mathias64 | markit: it's not because debian sucks, particularly; I think that there are good reasons for the debian kernel system to work the way that it does. But there is a big learning curve when you want to start mucking around with the default kernels |
| 15:14.29 | markit | mathias64: wondering why if they really use uname -r, things don't go in the right place |
| 15:14.32 | valdyn | alephant: alsa works different, though alsa devices exist in /dev/snd/, no application is supposed to use those, but to use libasound |
| 15:14.42 | alephant | that's cute... |
| 15:14.59 | alephant | but /dev/snd/* should work if I read/write from/to them? |
| 15:15.20 | valdyn | alephant: ok a) switch xmms to use alsa or b) modprobe snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss ( quick hack ), apt-get install some stuff that depends on the debian release you are using |
| 15:15.48 | alephant | valdyn, I did a) but it's still ``not working '' |
| 15:15.52 | alephant | hang on a sec |
| 15:16.06 | valdyn | alephant: because you need to turn up the volume an unmute |
| 15:16.07 | mathias64 | markit: can't you just hack their makefile to put the modules where you want them? |
| 15:16.27 | alephant | valdyn, what's the mixer app for alsa w/o oss-compat? |
| 15:16.37 | valdyn | alephant: alsamixer |
| 15:16.45 | valdyn | alephant: or gnome-volume-control |
| 15:16.55 | alephant | valdyn - it's all coming back to me now :-) |
| 15:17.04 | alephant | I did this last reboot in ...November? |
| 15:17.31 | valdyn | alephant: had you installed the debian alsa packages then your volume settings would be saved on shutdown |
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| 15:17.47 | alephant | valdyn - yeah, I must not have. |
| 15:17.53 | valdyn | alephant: ... and the oss emulation layer would be loaded automatically |
| 15:18.12 | alephant | hm |
| 15:18.21 | valdyn | alephant: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:18.29 | alephant | unstable |
| 15:18.33 | alephant | er |
| 15:18.34 | alephant | testing |
| 15:18.37 | valdyn | alephant: and its up to date ? |
| 15:18.39 | alephant | few pinned unstable debs |
| 15:18.48 | valdyn | alephant: apt-get install linux-sound-base |
| 15:18.49 | alephant | as of yesterday |
| 15:19.03 | markit | I've to leave, thanks a lot |
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| 15:19.44 | valdyn | alephant: and apt-get install alsa-utils etc ( whatever there else is on alsa- packages |
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| 15:20.54 | alephant | valdyn: ugh - Woodstock-era drum solo |
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| 15:21.17 | alephant | valdyn: seems like alsamixer / unmute burns me every six months or so |
| 15:21.36 | alephant | valdyn: perhaps it's time to get another tattoo |
| 15:22.01 | valdyn | alephant: heh |
| 15:22.34 | alephant | valdyn - thanks a ton |
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| 15:22.47 | faw | i'm facing some cups problems in etch (cupsys 1.1.23-12) |
| 15:23.01 | colloron | how do i check the uid/gid of an existing user? |
| 15:23.04 | faw | I'm able to view the first page in the browser (localhost:631) |
| 15:23.13 | valdyn | colloron: grep <name> /etc/passwd |
| 15:23.16 | peppet | colby, id username |
| 15:23.20 | alephant | valdyn - got tunes, now to work |
| 15:23.22 | faw | but when I click in Manage Printers or Manage Jobs it loops... |
| 15:23.26 | colloron | yeah i dont want to look in the file though |
| 15:23.31 | alephant | "no more encores!" |
| 15:23.34 | valdyn | !win alephant |
| 15:23.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, alephant! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 15:23.36 | colloron | oh the id command works, thanks |
| 15:23.52 | faw | I set the debug level to debug2 and got this message every 5 secs |
| 15:24.06 | peppet | colby, sorry |
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| 15:26.14 | dusty-- | What packges contain the c development libraries.. I installed gcc/gdb and no libraries got installed? |
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| 15:27.02 | caphuso | dusty--: build-essential |
| 15:27.41 | dusty-- | caphuso, thankyou. |
| 15:28.17 | dusty-- | caphuso, apart from that and gcc/gdb anything else I might need to install (didnt install nothing in the installation)? |
| 15:28.19 | dusty-- | package wise.. |
| 15:28.38 | caphuso | dusty--: erm, how should i know what you might need? |
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| 15:28.51 | dusty-- | I meant for c development |
| 15:29.00 | Whisky_ | I can't access my USB card reader. I've loaded the usb storage and sd mod modules as I was told by dpkg but that didn't work. I get sda sdb sdc and sdd devices in /dev/ but i can't mount sda. It says that there is some format problem although it does work with Windoze. |
| 15:29.39 | squall | hi all; anyone can tell me a good SMS Gateway for linux ? |
| 15:29.42 | mathias64 | dusty: you could try apt-get install buld-essential |
| 15:29.47 | Whisky_ | dimir :) |
| 15:29.48 | dusty-- | I have |
| 15:29.53 | valdyn | Whisky_: windows too mounts only partitions, not raw disks? |
| 15:29.54 | peppet | Whisky_, you must spcify a partition, try sda1 |
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| 15:30.12 | dimir | Whisky_: what did you expect? Appearing here on Friday! |
| 15:30.15 | dimir | :-P |
| 15:30.18 | mathias64 | mathias64: well, that's all the essential stuff. anything else will be needed just for a specific package |
| 15:30.41 | dimir | just talking to myself... |
| 15:31.03 | mathias64 | there is a fix for the 2.6.14-2-686 kernel problem in the thread at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343048 |
| 15:31.04 | Whisky_ | woohooo sda1 just worked =p |
| 15:31.06 | Whisky_ | thanks |
| 15:33.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:33.57 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:40.28 | thingfish | I think I've reached the twilight zone. |
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| 15:44.22 | sdakota | hi |
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| 15:44.26 | laurens_ | o m f g |
| 15:44.28 | sdakota | irc.freenode.org isn't working for me :/ |
| 15:44.31 | laurens_ | im installing 6 thinkpad t43ps here |
| 15:44.35 | thingfish | it's not working for anyone. |
| 15:44.38 | laurens_ | im practically having an orgasm being near them |
| 15:44.39 | sdakota | connected using calvino.freenode.irc now :/ |
| 15:44.42 | sdakota | that's odd |
| 15:44.49 | silvinho | laurens_: that good ? |
| 15:44.55 | thingfish | freenode's home page says use chat.freenode.net |
| 15:45.00 | abrotman | thingfish: worked for me! .. or maybe i use irc.debian.org ... |
| 15:45.07 | laurens_ | silvinho: ever held a thinkpad? |
| 15:45.22 | laurens_ | build quality... |
| 15:45.26 | silvinho | laurens_: quite a few |
| 15:45.27 | laurens_ | general hw quality |
| 15:45.29 | laurens_ | no bullshit |
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| 15:45.32 | laurens_ | just working laptops |
| 15:45.33 | laurens_ | :-) |
| 15:45.34 | thingfish | abrotman: maybe it just happened. Freenode's home page says something about a severe nuisance bot attack underway. |
| 15:45.36 | silvinho | even after outsourcing to china ? |
| 15:45.41 | laurens_ | silvinho: yeah |
| 15:45.48 | silvinho | impressive |
| 15:45.48 | laurens_ | silvinho: these t43ps are rock solid |
| 15:45.48 | abrotman | thingfish: there was .. tons of klines earlier |
| 15:45.52 | silvinho | how are the keyboards ? |
| 15:45.57 | thingfish | abrotman: that sounds fun. |
| 15:45.58 | laurens_ | excellent as always |
| 15:46.07 | laurens_ | they're as good as my tp 390 (pentium 1 era) one |
| 15:46.10 | laurens_ | which is EXCELLENT |
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| 15:46.14 | silvinho | oh the folding ? |
| 15:46.19 | laurens_ | i feel like crap because im forced to type on this laptop now |
| 15:46.55 | silvinho | i almost cried when my powerbook died, nothing compares to those kb's imho |
| 15:48.57 | abrotman | silvinho: can't be that good if it died :) |
| 15:49.25 | laurens_ | meh |
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| 15:49.33 | laurens_ | laptops can die when subjected to rather intensive G |
| 15:49.34 | laurens_ | 's |
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| 15:49.47 | laurens_ | especially tiny parts of the motherboard pcbv |
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| 15:54.03 | Whisky_ | G's? |
| 15:54.20 | thingfish | gravity |
| 15:54.27 | Whisky_ | :/ |
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| 15:54.29 | thingfish | gravity forces |
| 15:54.58 | Whisky_ | and i thought gravity on whole of the earth was same |
| 15:55.08 | thingfish | 1G = 1 Earth gravity. |
| 15:55.31 | Whisky_ | yeah but where are you going with your laptop so it gets harmed.....jupiter? |
| 15:55.32 | abrotman | 2G = 2 Earth gravity! |
| 15:55.42 | thingfish | !win abrotman |
| 15:55.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:55.56 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 15:55.58 | Whisky_ | anyway |
| 15:56.11 | tarzeau | hi abrotman |
| 15:56.26 | Whisky_ | can a laptop be left on 24/7 like a desktop ? I don't want to buy a laptop and then turn it off and on every hour |
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| 15:56.47 | Skrot | Whisky_: Mine is always on. |
| 15:56.51 | tarzeau | Whisky_: sure |
| 15:56.56 | Eclipser | of course |
| 15:57.02 | Eclipser | as long as it has power |
| 15:57.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar shop ? |
| 15:57.09 | Whisky_ | cool |
| 15:57.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: sorry i've completely done nothing on this |
| 15:57.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm going to the mountains, into the snow now... |
| 15:57.34 | Whisky_ | so what do you guys recommend? I sell off my 1.8 P4 with 512mb ram for a laptop? Would I be happy? |
| 15:57.41 | thingfish | a buddy of mine collects vintage electric guitars and amps. |
| 15:57.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: but did you try opencubicplayer and mazeofgalious now? now they are in testing/etch! |
| 15:57.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't you always have snow ? |
| 15:57.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: not until you take your guitar in! |
| 15:57.58 | mathias64 | can someone here recommend a wireless pcmcia card that works well with free drivers? |
| 15:57.58 | thingfish | he's got some nice stuff. |
| 15:58.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: no way! didn't you see the pictures of here? |
| 15:58.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/div/find_sed.html |
| 15:58.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i have snow.ethz.ch the hostname :) |
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| 15:58.55 | sdakota | euhhh, the problems with dazjorz.com are still there - anyone who can help me with NameVirtualHosts? |
| 16:00.00 | sdakota | at this moment, all server contacts link to the "default page", saying just 'hi'. I want dazjorz.com to link to dazjorz.com's page and any subdomain to its (Name)VirtualHost. |
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| 16:01.44 | secher | Dammit, I always forget: when I startx, it tells me it can't find a mouse at /dev/input/mice. I know I've forgotten a package, but apt-cache is not helping. I don't want xdm or gdm however. does anyone know off the top of their heads what package I need to install? Or shoudl I use /dev/psaux? I'm running unstable and xorg. |
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| 16:02.27 | sparr | is there an application/driver for accessing cheap usb internal-storage digital cameras? |
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| 16:02.52 | Gnea | sparr: depends on the camera - gphoto2 |
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| 16:03.05 | nerdy2 | sdakota, so you should have a NameVirtualHost *, and <VirtualHost *> ServerName dazjorz.com </VirtualHost>, <VirtualHost *> ServerName subdomain.dazjorz.com </VirtualHost> |
| 16:03.19 | nerdy2 | where i'm putting things on one line for convenience :) |
| 16:03.19 | mathias64 | secher: do you have a usb mouse or a ps mouse? |
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| 16:03.22 | baidfeis | hi |
| 16:03.31 | secher | mathias64: ps |
| 16:03.33 | sdakota | nerdy2: ok |
| 16:04.07 | doublehp | how to close a bug ? #number-close@b.d.o does not work |
| 16:04.13 | nerdy2 | and each VirtualHost section should have the appropriate DocumentRoot thing, such as in the dazjorz.com, you may have DocumentRoot /var/www/main-site, and in the subdomain.dazjorz.com section you'd have DocumentRoot /var/www/subdomain-site |
| 16:04.14 | dusty-- | Hello can someone take a look at this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/pRhMgd95.html and tell me why apt-get is acting so oddly? Im not connected anywhere else, and I have left apt-get for awhile to let any rougue connections drop, but it persits in that error? I have tried apt-get update and then retried installing to no avail?? |
| 16:04.24 | sparr | Gnea: well, ive got a handful from different manufacturers that all work with each others software in windows, so theres gotta be some sort of standard |
| 16:04.38 | mathias64 | secher: does your mouse work right now? |
| 16:04.41 | nerdy2 | where /var/www/main-site and /var/www/subdomain-site are directories containing the sites for dazjorz.com and subdomain.dazjorz.com respectively |
| 16:04.45 | Gnea | !tell sparr about assume |
| 16:05.02 | Gnea | sparr: this is not windows. |
| 16:05.07 | sdakota | nerdy2: thanks, i'll try that |
| 16:05.33 | Gnea | sparr: again, gphoto2 - check it out, see what's supported and what isn't and go from there.. there's a gui for it, i forgot the name, apt-cache search will know it |
| 16:05.36 | sparr | Gnea: so? what does that have to do with anything? i was debunking your 'depends on the camera' |
| 16:05.47 | Gnea | sparr: but you can't. |
| 16:05.56 | doublehp | dusty--: if you have home CNX, then wait 10mn; if you are in a large NATed network, ask about mirorors to your admin, or use an alternate server |
| 16:06.18 | sdakota | nerdy2: same with ssl, but then with port 443 and the SSL attributes in the virtualhosts? |
| 16:06.22 | sparr | but thanks for letting me know that i made an ass out of you |
| 16:06.43 | Gnea | oh i've already got my own ass, thanks |
| 16:06.53 | dusty-- | doublehp, its my home lan, no one else using it. |
| 16:07.10 | secher | sparr: there is a "generic" driver that works just fine, but I'll be damned if I can remember what it is. just google around the net for yoru camera type and debian. |
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| 16:08.13 | nerdy2 | sdakota, yea, but virtual hosts don't play well with ssl |
| 16:08.34 | sdakota | nerdy2: why not? |
| 16:09.31 | nerdy2 | because multiple certificates with the same ip/port is an issue |
| 16:09.33 | dusty-- | doublehp, what should I do? |
| 16:09.49 | Gnea | nerdy2: certificate creation is simple |
| 16:10.01 | doublehp | dusty--: wait 10 mn |
| 16:10.56 | nerdy2 | sdakota, here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#vhosts |
| 16:11.14 | sdakota | nerdy2: thanks |
| 16:11.56 | Gnea | ah ok, yeah, ssl with en masse vhosts doesn't work |
| 16:12.33 | Gnea | i've always preferred giving each vhost its own declaration in the config anyway |
| 16:12.49 | sdakota | nerdy2: so what do I do to also get SSL in my namevirtualhosts? |
| 16:12.51 | homekneet | If all your vhosts are in the same domain and you have a *.domain.tld certificate couldn't you just specify the ssl cert stuff in the default host and get away with it? |
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| 16:13.04 | sdakota | nerdy2: for example, if dazjorz.com is accessed with ssl, it goes to /var/www/dazjorz.com/ssl |
| 16:13.12 | Gnea | homekneet: nope |
| 16:13.19 | homekneet | shame |
| 16:13.36 | Gnea | life's a beach, surf's up |
| 16:14.03 | nerdy2 | sdakota, well you could run the ssl virtual servers for the hosts each on different ports, if you think that's a decent option |
| 16:14.12 | doublehp | Gnea: s/ea/it/ ? |
| 16:14.35 | Gnea | doublehp: sure |
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| 16:15.03 | doublehp | Gnea: then same around me ... |
| 16:15.36 | sdakota | nerdy2: Euhh... Could try... but that's not exactly what I've been looking for... |
| 16:15.59 | nerdy2 | sdakota, well this isn't exactly an easy problem to circumvent :) |
| 16:16.03 | VolVE | hey all, I installed an app from source that I previously had installed via apt - how can I tell apt never to try and update the app? |
| 16:16.20 | Gnea | sdakota: how many vhosts are you dealing with? |
| 16:16.24 | mathias64 | Volve: hit = for that app in aptitude |
| 16:16.49 | VolVE | presuming I'm using aptitude... ;) |
| 16:16.52 | sdakota | Gnea: Unknown number. In the start, probably just one, my own domain - but that could grow to a lot more soon. |
| 16:17.08 | cahoot | VolVE: look at the 'hold' option |
| 16:17.16 | Gnea | sdakota: assume 10 vhosts - they're all on the same ip? |
| 16:17.17 | VolVE | k |
| 16:17.19 | VolVE | thanks |
| 16:17.33 | sdakota | Gnea: Yes, all on the same IP. |
| 16:17.41 | nerdy2 | depending on what you need ssl for, you could just create an ssl server for say secure.dazjors.com, and then whenver you need this (e.g. for a shopping cart), you can have this page on /that/ server |
| 16:17.53 | nerdy2 | and always host your secure pages on a single host |
| 16:18.17 | sdakota | nerdy2: dazjorz.com, please. |
| 16:18.30 | cahoot | VolVE: btw - this might be of use in the future: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 16:18.31 | nerdy2 | sorry, i didn't check the scrollback |
| 16:18.41 | Gnea | sdakota: simple: keep all vhost declarations in their own config file, included by the main httpd.conf and set each one up at a time |
| 16:19.12 | Gnea | sdakota: you could then generate a certificate for each so they would be unique |
| 16:19.14 | VolVE | thanks cahoot |
| 16:19.26 | sdakota | Gnea: the problem with SSL remains |
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| 16:19.32 | homekneet | But - gnea - isn't that the issue? |
| 16:19.36 | Gnea | sdakota: nope. |
| 16:19.48 | homekneet | That the host header can't be read and so it can't find the right config file |
| 16:20.12 | nerdy2 | it needn't find the config file, it reads them at load time |
| 16:20.17 | nerdy2 | but it can't find the right certificate |
| 16:20.21 | sdakota | Gnea: it needs the HOST to get the right virtualhost directive, and it isn't giving the HOST before SSL handshake - it's the chicken and egg problem, as this page tells: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#vhosts |
| 16:20.29 | homekneet | OK - meant - can't decide which config (i.e. which cert) to use |
| 16:20.34 | Gnea | because instead of creating subdirectories and having a single declaration read them, you're creating an entry for each vhost, specifically |
| 16:20.41 | doublehp | how to close a bug ? #number-close@b.d.o does not work |
| 16:20.53 | Gnea | sdakota: so what you're saying is that the IP has to reverse DNS/PTR back to the vhostname? |
| 16:21.09 | sdakota | Gnea: Euh - No.... |
| 16:21.20 | sdakota | Gnea: You see - |
| 16:21.26 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 16:21.28 | homekneet | Gnea: not quite. Apache reads the Host: http header to decide which virtual config to use (ie which directory). It can't read that header until after SSL is complete |
| 16:21.31 | Gnea | can't be all on the same ip |
| 16:21.33 | Gnea | which is what i just said |
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| 16:21.49 | Gnea | homekneet: right |
| 16:21.54 | sdakota | Gnea: at the HTTP request, the browser gives the HOST attribute as the domain that's currently used, and apache bases the directory to handle on that |
| 16:22.17 | homekneet | As I read it - two choices - 1) seperate IP addresses (can be on same box) or 2) different ports |
| 16:22.17 | Gnea | g'wan.. |
| 16:22.29 | sdakota | Gnea: Now - for ssl, Apache needs to know what SSL settings to use - and for that, it needs to look at the VirtualHost - and to look in the VirtualHost, it needs the HOST - and the HOST is given AFTER the SSL connection is made. |
| 16:22.36 | sdakota | Gnea: Chicken and egg. |
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| 16:24.20 | Gnea | sdakota: well, time to get some ip's then |
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| 16:24.54 | sdakota | Gnea: I have only one IP - and don't know how to get more. |
| 16:25.16 | Gnea | sdakota: shouldn't be difficult - ISP ip? |
| 16:25.17 | lekvar | I "*heart*" fsck.ext3 -c. It keeps me company all night long making my hard drive go "zrrt ting! zrrt ting!" |
| 16:25.47 | nerdy2 | [not to mention that it is not sufficient according to the numbering authorities to get ip's for vhosts] |
| 16:26.07 | nerdy2 | [so you had better have some justification for ssl i think :)] |
| 16:26.17 | sdakota | Gnea: I don't know if my ISP will give me any more IP's. |
| 16:26.31 | Gnea | sdakota: check their webpage with all the services |
| 16:26.42 | homekneet | sdakota: then I think you're stuck with either a single ssl host or different ports per host |
| 16:27.24 | lekvar | Actually, since I'm dealing with a laptop here and laptops are weird, could there be any reason besides an actual bad drive why one might behave poorly on a surface test? Like dma settings or something affecting.. who knwos what |
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| 16:28.54 | silvinho | lekvar: poorly is vague, how is it performing ? |
| 16:29.39 | asuffield | lekvar: no. if a modern drive fails a badblocks test then it's completely dead and should be thrown away |
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| 16:30.07 | asuffield | by the time anything starts to show up in there, the problem is already in an advanced stage and the drive is in the process of dying completely |
| 16:30.08 | lekvar | silvinho: I'm getting errors and failed seeks sometimes. eg "hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }"; "hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, CHS=53169/0/116, sector=13611367"; etc |
| 16:30.24 | asuffield | oh, that's just regular old driver bugs |
| 16:30.27 | sdakota | i'll stick to just one default ssh then |
| 16:30.40 | homekneet | sdakota: ssh/l? :) |
| 16:30.41 | silvinho | asuffield: yeah ? |
| 16:30.55 | sdakota | homekneet, s/ssh/ssl |
| 16:30.58 | sdakota | sorry |
| 16:30.59 | homekneet | :) |
| 16:31.16 | lekvar | yea but when i ran the surface test it seemed to be having constant trouble. i had it running six hours and it was stilling spewing errors and making the drive emit those noises i mentioned earlier |
| 16:31.43 | silvinho | oh noises ick |
| 16:31.45 | asuffield | it's obviously broken if it's doing that, but it's probably just a driver issue |
| 16:31.53 | lekvar | unfortantely i wasn't able to save the errors coming out in the fsck since i was in rescue mode and testing the same partitoin they'd have to be stored on |
| 16:32.02 | asuffield | can't really be sure though. those messages are just the kernel's way of saying "fuck" |
| 16:32.03 | silvinho | i mean, what are you using this laptop for? if it's important just ghost the drive and get a new one |
| 16:32.20 | lekvar | what i don't get is, how did i manage to install a whole debian system without these presumed bad blocks stopping me |
| 16:32.38 | js_ | lekvar: ext3 lives on bad blocks afaik |
| 16:32.41 | Gnea | sdakota: http://www.tiscali.nl/helpdesk/faq.asp i don't read that crazy language and google doesn't translate it - might be something there |
| 16:32.43 | asuffield | if it found bad blocks then badblocks would complain about them |
| 16:32.50 | asuffield | those are just IO errors |
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| 16:33.09 | lekvar | i was hopig to just scan out the bad blocks and continue on my merry way with a little less space |
| 16:33.16 | asuffield | it doesn't work like that |
| 16:33.24 | asuffield | by the time badblocks can find anything, the drive is dead |
| 16:33.45 | asuffield | mapping them out doesn't work, a whole bunch more will die within hours |
| 16:33.48 | lekvar | i'm talking to you from the same system. the problems seem to be rougly in the middle of the drive, which makes it towards the last 1/4 of my primary partion |
| 16:33.57 | sdakota | Gnea: Eh ^^ Though, a new IP costs money - that's -- |
| 16:33.58 | lekvar | asuffield: hurm |
| 16:34.15 | sdakota | Gnea: Though, babelfish translates it - it's dutch |
| 16:34.29 | homekneet | asuffield: ick - you're bringing back bad memories of hurried data panic copying :( |
| 16:34.32 | asuffield | go run smartctl on it and find out if the drive is actually dying or if it's just a controller/driver issue |
| 16:34.34 | lekvar | I wonder if anyone sells laptop drives retail without gouging... |
| 16:34.36 | groogs | is there any utility that'll count how many times each line appears in a file? |
| 16:34.55 | lekvar | smartctl? new to me. i'll try it |
| 16:35.18 | asuffield | for issues to be showing up in badblocks, the drive has to have already remapped a huge number of blocks internally, and exhausted its supply of spares |
| 16:35.24 | groogs | ie, take an input like: "blah\n blah\n foo\n bar\n foo\n" and spit out blah:2 foo:2 bar:1 or something like that ? |
| 16:35.27 | asuffield | so smartctl would show a huge number of remapped blocks |
| 16:35.57 | homekneet | groogs: "sort file | uniq -c" or something close |
| 16:36.02 | asuffield | (hence, by the time this happens, the drive's had it) |
| 16:36.15 | lekvar | I actually was going to look for a low level OEM type dive checking tool. |
| 16:36.20 | groogs | homekneet: ah, exactly.. thanks |
| 16:36.40 | nerdy2 | sdakota, what's more than the money (it's not actually that much money) is that you may not be able to |
| 16:36.48 | asuffield | the drive will report straight away what it's been doing, no testing is needed |
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| 16:37.04 | lekvar | The drives probably prety well aged on this thing, and it was in storage for a long time an then shipped in the freezing cold before i got it. i doubt any of those factors are exacty good for it, though i can't see why they'd matter much either aside from age |
| 16:37.13 | nerdy2 | sdakota, as i mentioned, arin, apnic, and the other registries have policies against giving out IPs to accomodate IP-based hosting |
| 16:37.39 | sdakota | nerdy2: true - i'll ask a bit more then to give people ssl too, then ^^ |
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| 16:37.58 | nerdy2 | sdakota, that is, you must provide them technical justificationi why name-based hosting does not suffice (and if you really do need all those ssl servers, this will be fine, but if you don't...) |
| 16:38.14 | lekvar | Oh well this brings my collection of malfunctioning laptop systems up to three so far :) |
| 16:38.53 | groogs | nerdy2: i think beyond that, you have a requirement to use like 50% within 6 months, and 80% within a year? its probably different depending on what size block you get and from who, etc.. |
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| 16:40.12 | silvinho | hrm wtf bzip only uses 1 proc |
| 16:40.50 | nerdy2 | groogs, well i'm assuming he's going to go through his ISP and not actually get a big block, but yes if you do get a block, there's a utilization requirement (at least for ARIN) of 25% immediately and 50% within 1 year |
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| 16:47.51 | fishhead | never knew what a well engineered box the apple II was |
| 16:48.26 | teknoprep | a |
| 16:49.17 | quiet | is there a dpkg-reconfigure *foo* for network stufF? used a dhcp lease for install but now i want to set static... |
| 16:49.28 | azeem | quiet: etherconf, maybe |
| 16:49.41 | quiet | no such command |
| 16:49.47 | hans0lo | quiet: man interfaces |
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| 16:50.21 | beardy | quiet: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:50.24 | quiet | yeah.. i know how to do it in the file.. i just thought there was a dpkg helper. |
| 16:50.29 | aarkerio | what the "sticky bit" is? |
| 16:50.39 | beardy | aarkerio: man chmod |
| 16:52.10 | fishhead | hates loading windows 2000 on his PII 300 laptop but doesn't have time in less than 24 hrs to relearn linux for the trip to the family renunion |
| 16:52.56 | fishhead | ugh |
| 16:52.57 | teknoprep | quiet ifconfig? |
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| 16:53.07 | goron | How do I get Realplayer plugins to work? I installed Helixplayer, but I don't know whether it comes with plugins. |
| 16:53.30 | quiet | nm.. just needed to install etherconf... thanks azeem |
| 16:53.37 | teknoprep | quiet best admin tool ever |
| 16:53.42 | teknoprep | webmin |
| 16:53.47 | quiet | yuck.. |
| 16:53.51 | teknoprep | webmin allows you to go from distro to distro |
| 16:53.55 | teknoprep | and still set everything up the same |
| 16:53.56 | xam | aÃĶrghhlll |
| 16:53.58 | azeem | teknoprep: please do not advocate webmin |
| 16:54.01 | teknoprep | why? |
| 16:54.04 | teknoprep | webmin owns |
| 16:54.06 | azeem | !webmin |
| 16:54.07 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 16:54.08 | quiet | webmin allows you to get hacked from distro to distro..what? |
| 16:54.18 | teknoprep | lol quiet |
| 16:54.31 | quiet | ;) |
| 16:54.36 | teknoprep | use iptables to only allow a specific subnet to access webmin |
| 16:54.44 | teknoprep | after that you don't open the world to view your admin page |
| 16:54.53 | teknoprep | also for all admin web pages vpn should be installed |
| 16:55.04 | teknoprep | please i am not a tech noob.. webmin is a great app |
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| 16:55.40 | teknoprep | every distro wants to setup static ip's differently |
| 16:55.43 | surface | i have my sarge install |
| 16:55.53 | lekvar | huh. smartctl reports the drive is healthy. that doesn't seem likely. |
| 16:55.59 | surface | but my package is outdated |
| 16:56.01 | fishhead | lekvar |
| 16:56.06 | aarkerio | beardy, I have some files with setuid, is ther a debian list to know what files should have it? |
| 16:56.07 | surface | i have gnome 2.10 only |
| 16:56.11 | xam | lekvar: use a hammer and make sure |
| 16:56.15 | fishhead | half the drive makers don't do smart right or lie on purpose |
| 16:56.18 | surface | i donno which apt source is the best |
| 16:56.30 | dak | how do you use apt/dpkg the irc bot to find files in a package ? |
| 16:56.34 | surface | do u guys have any hints? |
| 16:56.36 | quiet | surface, youhave gnome 2.10 with sarge? |
| 16:56.36 | dak | been a long time |
| 16:56.47 | surface | yup |
| 16:56.51 | lekvar | fishhead: ? |
| 16:56.53 | surface | quiet: yup |
| 16:56.59 | lekvar | oh |
| 16:57.00 | teknoprep | can someone show me why webmin can be used to hack a box? |
| 16:57.03 | quiet | hrm... i thought sarge came with 2.8.... oh well.. |
| 16:57.12 | teknoprep | looking on google for webmin vuln |
| 16:57.16 | quiet | surface, then you should upgrade to testing..or unstable... if that's a concern. |
| 16:57.41 | surface | quiet : can't it shows umet stuff which i do not understand |
| 16:57.55 | aarkerio | teknoprep, well if webmin is not using https the password is sent like text |
| 16:57.57 | surface | i searching sources until mad |
| 16:58.00 | lekvar | I'm trying to figure out how to distinguish between the ambiguous kernel drive errors and/or actual physical defects in the drive. |
| 16:58.02 | sparr | i can use the spca5xxx driver to access my usb camera as a video camera, what driver or program might i need to access the still images stored on the camera? |
| 16:58.15 | surface | until today still can't get a best combination of sources.list |
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| 16:59.15 | quiet | surface, debian isn't a bleeding edge distro...it's focussed on stability... if you want gnome 2.12 or something.. use Ubuntu.. or Fedora...or SUSE... |
| 16:59.17 | aarkerio | teknoprep, use ssh to manage the server |
| 16:59.37 | teknoprep | i manage all servers through vpn then ssh or webmin |
| 17:00.24 | nerdy2 | hah, webmin's even had input validation vulnerabilities, gosh you'd hope whoever came up with webmin would /at least/ try to avoid that |
| 17:00.39 | teknoprep | i guess |
| 17:00.52 | dak | has anyone gotten moreamp to compile? |
| 17:01.11 | teknoprep | all servers if you are not on a specific security vlan inside the network you must log into a vpn that logs you onto that vlan |
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| 17:01.16 | surface | quiet: actually the cause that leads me wants to upgrade is my kile 1.7 can't gen a correct pdf |
| 17:01.33 | surface | quiet: then i check my ubuntu, the kile is 1.8 |
| 17:01.34 | teknoprep | all servers are managable and backed up through a private vlan |
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| 17:01.47 | quiet | sooo... install acrobat reader? |
| 17:01.50 | teknoprep | thus no vulnerabilities unless you hack that vlan or vpn |
| 17:02.01 | nerdy2 | teknoprep, not quite |
| 17:02.04 | surface | quiet: kile is kde latex editor |
| 17:02.09 | teknoprep | nerdy2 ? |
| 17:02.21 | quiet | blah.. okay.. i don't know then.. |
| 17:02.24 | teknoprep | how can you pass anything to webmin if its blocked by iptables? |
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| 17:02.42 | Gnea | !webmin |
| 17:02.43 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 17:02.45 | nerdy2 | well you do realize that if you make the ip packet, you can put whatever ip in it you want, right? |
| 17:02.46 | quiet | lol |
| 17:02.55 | nerdy2 | (as the source ip) |
| 17:03.03 | teknoprep | lol |
| 17:03.05 | teknoprep | its TCP tho |
| 17:03.08 | teknoprep | not udp |
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| 17:03.13 | Gnea | exactly |
| 17:03.21 | Gnea | it's crap |
| 17:03.34 | nerdy2 | yes, but there have been in the past vulnerabilities related to the fact that you could fool certain OS's with one-ended connections... |
| 17:03.52 | teknoprep | through a firewall? |
| 17:03.59 | teknoprep | i don't put anybox directly on the inet |
| 17:04.03 | teknoprep | so how does that work? |
| 17:04.09 | Gnea | and that's supposed to make it safe? |
| 17:04.15 | nerdy2 | it depends on that firewall |
| 17:04.20 | azeem | teknoprep: we talked about _advocating_ it to others |
| 17:04.22 | Gnea | teknoprep: install it, use it, find out. |
| 17:04.30 | teknoprep | lol i have been using it for years |
| 17:04.36 | azeem | teknoprep: can you guarantee others won't run it on the internet, either? |
| 17:04.39 | teknoprep | been writing module updates for it too |
| 17:04.41 | Gnea | i doubt it |
| 17:04.45 | teknoprep | i wrote the cluster module for iptables |
| 17:04.53 | raden | will a AMD athlon 1200 work ok running debian for a server running Samba / Apache / Mysql / PHP5 ? |
| 17:04.54 | Gnea | big woop |
| 17:04.55 | teknoprep | they updated it on 1.8 i think it was |
| 17:04.59 | raden | 256 RAM |
| 17:05.06 | teknoprep | raden yes |
| 17:05.12 | teknoprep | but more ram would be good for mysql |
| 17:05.15 | nerdy2 | it's a bad idea mainly because it violates the idea that you want to run as little on any given machine as possible, if you want it to be not vulnerable |
| 17:05.18 | valdyn | raden: that is one silly question |
| 17:05.25 | raden | teknoprep, Ok ... |
| 17:05.36 | nerdy2 | and SUID things, and things that talk to the net are especially bad |
| 17:05.37 | teknoprep | it will run find |
| 17:05.38 | teknoprep | fine |
| 17:05.42 | teknoprep | make a 1gig swap partition |
| 17:05.45 | raden | someone told me it wouldnt im like it was running on a 850 but that was whatever debian version 5 years ago |
| 17:05.53 | raden | been outta the loop for about 2 year |
| 17:06.06 | Gnea | teknoprep: you can put it behind a firewall and then use it to open terminals, edit configuration directives, whatever - if you helped maintain it, then fine, no one else will get bitched at for it :) |
| 17:06.07 | raden | teknoprep, K.. Thanks man |
| 17:06.10 | teknoprep | depends on how many sql transactions you are going to do |
| 17:06.18 | quiet | restart sshd how? |
| 17:06.27 | quiet | /etc/init.d/sshd restart didn't seemt o do it |
| 17:06.38 | teknoprep | that should doit |
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| 17:06.51 | bbrazil | raden: thats my home config, works fine. its a matter of your workload |
| 17:06.57 | teknoprep | type /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 17:06.58 | teknoprep | no d |
| 17:07.05 | valdyn | quiet: if you expect that to kill or update your current ssh connection, nope |
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| 17:07.19 | quiet | okay good... |
| 17:07.20 | raden | bbrazil we have 5 systems here very laid back work pace nothing mission critical |
| 17:07.22 | quiet | valdyn, noi didn;t |
| 17:07.23 | xam | quiet: changes will come into effect for new ssh connections, a restart doesn't cut the existing ones |
| 17:07.26 | quiet | i know hwo to kill ssh users |
| 17:07.30 | quiet | i know this |
| 17:07.35 | quiet | i was just turning off root login |
| 17:07.56 | raden | mainly just need samba for the 2 windows boxes 3 linux boxes here and apache and mysql for more testing than anything |
| 17:08.23 | teknoprep | being in network security i find that using network security over local box security is the main way to achieve security |
| 17:08.39 | bbrazil | raden: then speed isn't that important. samba is going to be limited by HDD speed anyway |
| 17:08.43 | quiet | teknoprep, then you don't know much abotu security |
| 17:08.47 | quiet | it's all about layers.. |
| 17:08.47 | teknoprep | haha |
| 17:08.56 | teknoprep | ccnp ccisp |
| 17:09.01 | nerdy2 | hahaha |
| 17:09.02 | jbroome | keep saying 'security' that'll work |
| 17:09.04 | xam | teknoprep: bla bla, the only way is NOT to use a PC ... |
| 17:09.05 | quiet | *gasp* |
| 17:09.06 | teknoprep | i know alot foo |
| 17:09.09 | quiet | ::rolls eyes:: |
| 17:09.11 | Gnea | acronyms... oooooo |
| 17:09.19 | raden | bbrazil, understood |
| 17:09.25 | quiet | Gnea, lol |
| 17:09.39 | Gnea | that's like saying "i've got a college degree, i'm better than bar!" |
| 17:09.43 | teknoprep | haha |
| 17:09.48 | teknoprep | college degree's are useless |
| 17:09.54 | jbroome | "i've got a college degree, i *work* in a bar" |
| 17:09.58 | teknoprep | ppl with them are just as stupid as when they started |
| 17:10.08 | mathias64 | has anyone here gotten an smc2632 wireless card to work |
| 17:10.13 | quiet | teknoprep, omg guess what.... I have my MCSA, A+, Network+, MOS Master, and 2 AAS degrees.... but to I flaunt it? no... |
| 17:10.22 | Gnea | teknoprep: if their mommies and daddies are rich and spoil them, yes. |
| 17:10.25 | quiet | the thing I know that I actually USE everyday... i learned myself |
| 17:10.38 | Eclipser | well isn't this funny |
| 17:10.42 | quiet | things* |
| 17:11.02 | Eclipser | I purged bittorrent package yesterday and now apt-get upgrade wants to install it |
| 17:11.03 | teknoprep | quiet same here |
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| 17:11.10 | teknoprep | i only took the time to get my certs |
| 17:11.13 | teknoprep | becuase jobs like em |
| 17:11.14 | teknoprep | alot |
| 17:11.18 | nerdy2 | i should get some of those certifications, people who don't know any better do seem to care |
| 17:11.29 | quiet | lol.. nerdy2 that's exactly right. |
| 17:11.33 | teknoprep | they do |
| 17:11.46 | teknoprep | the ccisp is really really easy |
| 17:11.52 | teknoprep | if you work with snort alot |
| 17:11.54 | teknoprep | and iptable |
| 17:11.59 | nerdy2 | while we're busy flattering ourselves: i have a masters degree ;) |
| 17:12.02 | Gnea | i don't have any of those certs - and yes, they do care, but it's all about how well you apply the knowledge you get from them |
| 17:12.08 | teknoprep | play with a pix emulatory for like a day |
| 17:12.11 | teknoprep | and it was easy as shit |
| 17:12.15 | Gnea | and so i get hired anyway ;) |
| 17:12.21 | teknoprep | the ccnp was a pain in the arse i actually had to read up on that |
| 17:12.25 | quiet | teknoprep, pix emulatory? |
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| 17:12.33 | teknoprep | pix emulator |
| 17:12.36 | Gnea | it helps to know how to write a resume and cover letters too |
| 17:12.41 | teknoprep | like a cisco virtual workstation |
| 17:12.44 | quiet | teknoprep, where do you get one?? i have a pix.. but i'm curious to see an emulator? |
| 17:12.47 | teknoprep | to setup switches routers and firewalls |
| 17:13.07 | nukeu666 | if i make a new user then his default home folder is a copy of /etc/skel right? |
| 17:13.10 | Gnea | cisco's got some fun stuff |
| 17:13.24 | teknoprep | you never skrewed with the virtual labs to setup cisco firewall's switches and routers |
| 17:13.27 | nerdy2 | nukeu666, ya |
| 17:13.55 | Gnea | well if that's what the job requires, then i'd do it |
| 17:15.14 | nukeu666 | whts the difference between mail stored in /var/spool/mail and ~/mbox ? |
| 17:15.24 | teknoprep | in the real world.. if you want to push linux onto a company you work for... you have to make it feasible for windows admins to admin it... that also helps you get promotions becuase now i only work on the engineering side of things.. if its broke then i fix it |
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| 17:15.42 | teknoprep | as for webmin... a windows admin can easily migrate to admin a linux box |
| 17:15.43 | Gnea | teknoprep: damn straight. |
| 17:15.52 | teknoprep | making it more apealing for companies to use it |
| 17:16.01 | nerdy2 | nukeu666, your client will move the mail to ~/mbox sometimes |
| 17:16.08 | teknoprep | now i don't work much at work and i have a higher posisition |
| 17:16.16 | teknoprep | this is why webmin is the best admin tool ever |
| 17:16.36 | nukeu666 | nerdy:sometimes?!?! |
| 17:16.37 | Gnea | webmin is great for windows admins on test servers |
| 17:16.38 | teknoprep | someone needs to configure a new scope in DHCP they can.. without knowing anying |
| 17:16.40 | teknoprep | on linux |
| 17:16.54 | Gnea | i wouldn't put it on a production server for them |
| 17:17.10 | teknoprep | if i didn;t |
| 17:17.12 | Gnea | if they really wanted it then sure |
| 17:17.15 | nerdy2 | nukeu666, clients tend to move mail out of /var/spool/mail to somewhere in ~, but it really depends where |
| 17:17.24 | Gnea | but i would at least try to convince them otherwise first |
| 17:17.29 | teknoprep | linux wouldn't have been used in our company.. and i wouldn't have gotten a promotion |
| 17:17.51 | nerdy2 | ~/mail/mbox vs. ~/Mail/mbox vs. ~/Maildir/ vs. ~/mbox ... |
| 17:18.36 | Gnea | teknoprep: problem also is using debian with them - it only goes so far then it has to be replaced |
| 17:18.38 | teknoprep | hey whats the company that does really good fireall scans from the web? |
| 17:18.53 | teknoprep | Gnea if they can't do daily admin duties with it |
| 17:18.58 | teknoprep | then i work on it |
| 17:19.09 | teknoprep | but 99% of everything that needs daily work can be done |
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| 17:19.19 | teknoprep | adding new sites... adding new iptables forwarding |
| 17:19.31 | teknoprep | the clustering features |
| 17:19.36 | Gnea | teknoprep: that's a whole new set of tracks |
| 17:20.06 | nerdy2 | nukeu666, also occassionally it's not the client that does it, i think courier likes to deliver mail to ~/Maildir/ |
| 17:21.13 | teknoprep | hahaha |
| 17:21.15 | teknoprep | i love it |
| 17:21.17 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:21.25 | teknoprep | i setup an ids/ips on the firewall |
| 17:21.28 | teknoprep | its working great |
| 17:21.31 | nukeu666 | till now the server had dafault uw/sendmail...im making a new server with postfix/courier...can i or can i not transfer all old mail to the new system? |
| 17:21.37 | Gnea | anyone can do that |
| 17:21.48 | nerdy2 | nukeu666, of course you can |
| 17:21.49 | teknoprep | scanning for open ports blocks ppl from accessing the system |
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| 17:22.05 | teknoprep | ids is easy.. setting it up to block is the fun part |
| 17:22.13 | teknoprep | based on triggers |
| 17:22.14 | Nomad-Rain | Ðóääų 2 ôää |
| 17:22.21 | xam | ÃĶÃ |
| 17:22.22 | teknoprep | been working with the triggers for awhile tho |
| 17:22.23 | Nomad-Rain | hello 2 all |
| 17:22.27 | Gnea | is that a whole blanket block or only blocking the ip that scans? |
| 17:22.31 | teknoprep | don't want too many false positives |
| 17:22.32 | nukeu666 | nerd:so all old mail in ~/mbox and /var/spool/mail can be converted to courier/postfix maildir format? |
| 17:22.41 | teknoprep | blocks just the IP that scans |
| 17:22.42 | teknoprep | try it |
| 17:22.45 | nerdy2 | nukeu666, yea, there should be a tool to do that |
| 17:22.46 | teknoprep | goto www.readingeagle.com |
| 17:22.50 | teknoprep | it works |
| 17:22.52 | teknoprep | now do |
| 17:22.54 | Gnea | heh |
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| 17:23.04 | Gnea | already got that setup :) |
| 17:23.08 | teknoprep | nmap -sS 206.245.146.25 |
| 17:23.18 | teknoprep | then try and access www.readingeagle.com |
| 17:23.19 | teknoprep | you are blocked |
| 17:23.26 | baidfeis | I have ati rage 128 and when i run xawtv says me --->WARNING: Your X-Server has no DGA support. |
| 17:23.31 | xam | teknoprep we know how blilliant you are, now shut up for a while please ... |
| 17:23.39 | teknoprep | i am mainly using it for IIS vulnerabilities.. and smtp brute force attempts |
| 17:23.44 | Gnea | teknoprep: again, basic. |
| 17:23.45 | nerdy2 | nukeu666, [at worst, you could always feed the mail back through the server after you set it up, but there should be a tool] |
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| 17:23.57 | Gnea | that's the easiest thing to setup |
| 17:24.09 | teknoprep | what do you use to set it up? |
| 17:24.24 | Gnea | you haven't even mentioned your whole setup yet |
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| 17:24.39 | teknoprep | what would you use to set it up |
| 17:24.53 | teknoprep | reverse proxy's with ssl backchannel to iis servers |
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| 17:26.40 | doublehp | teknoprep: free softwares as front head for MS products ? |
| 17:26.51 | teknoprep | they had MS already here |
| 17:26.57 | teknoprep | using squid to secure it |
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| 17:27.04 | doublehp | lol |
| 17:27.06 | teknoprep | there entire site is asp and asp.net |
| 17:27.06 | foo | What would you guys recommend for an FTP server? I am currently using proftpd and thought it was good but have been having some issues on connectivity lately ... pure-ftp, vsftp? I am looking for something works and is realiable. |
| 17:27.20 | teknoprep | proftpd is good |
| 17:27.25 | doublehp | teknoprep: gimme the adress, and I ofer them migration to Apache :) |
| 17:27.31 | teknoprep | lol |
| 17:27.33 | teknoprep | you can't fool |
| 17:27.41 | teknoprep | how you going to run asp asp.net on apache |
| 17:27.43 | teknoprep | ? |
| 17:27.52 | teknoprep | activedaily.readingeagle.com |
| 17:28.00 | teknoprep | activearchive.readingeagle.com |
| 17:28.09 | Grangin | hmm, is there a guide as to whether I should use testing or stable of debian? I'd like to have recent packages, but I'd also like to have it just work... is testing like that (most of the time)? |
| 17:28.10 | doublehp | teknoprep: 1st there is an ASP module for apache, then -2- you migrate ASP to perl or pike :) |
| 17:28.12 | teknoprep | everything that is published onto the paper is electorincly published to the web |
| 17:28.24 | teknoprep | yeah have fun with that |
| 17:28.39 | nerdy2 | Grangin, it's *supposed* to be :) |
| 17:28.44 | Grangin | lol |
| 17:28.51 | Grangin | so what is it like in practice :) |
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| 17:29.13 | nerdy2 | well to be fair, i've run unstable for very long periods of time usually without incident |
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| 17:29.17 | Grangin | oo |
| 17:29.24 | Grangin | so testing should be pretty good too? |
| 17:29.25 | doublehp | Grangin: install both side by side ... on seperate computer of course |
| 17:29.26 | nerdy2 | every once in a while something screws up, but it's usually not bad |
| 17:29.32 | nerdy2 | so testing should be ok |
| 17:29.38 | Grangin | doublehp, I wish I had 2 computers to do that...lol |
| 17:29.47 | eeyore- | foo: what kind of issues with proftpd? |
| 17:29.54 | Grangin | ok, as long as it doesn't kernel panic and keep me from booting i'm happy |
| 17:30.05 | nerdy2 | heh, that's very rare ;) |
| 17:30.14 | doublehp | Grangin: SID also boot fine , then :p |
| 17:30.19 | Grangin | lol |
| 17:30.39 | foo | Aha! Did it. I logged in 3 times, each time just doing a ls with lftp, and I got this: `ls' at 0 [Delaying before reconnect: 5 on the third try ... logs say this: Dec 16 09:32:43 localhost *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0812dc30 *** |
| 17:30.43 | foo | eeyore-: ^^ |
| 17:30.52 | doublehp | Grangin: have been using SID for 4 years ... had problem only in january 2003, when broken libc prevented me starting Eterms |
| 17:31.01 | foo | Grangin: Yo |
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| 17:31.15 | teknoprep | why would you not expect a free product in front of windows? |
| 17:31.19 | Grangin | doublehp, Nice. I think I'm going to install sid first then. If i don't like the packages being old maybe I'll try testing :D |
| 17:31.21 | Grangin | foo, heya :D |
| 17:31.24 | unknown | what package do i need to install to get libdns.so |
| 17:31.26 | eeyore- | foo: mine is proftpd 1.2.10-26, yours? |
| 17:31.27 | teknoprep | would anyone here use widows ISA server to secure anything ever? |
| 17:31.29 | teknoprep | lol |
| 17:31.49 | nerdy2 | Grangin, SID != stable |
| 17:31.50 | Grangin | err wait, sid isn't the most recent stable is it |
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| 17:31.54 | foo | eeyore-: - ProFTPD Version 1.2.10 |
| 17:31.55 | nerdy2 | SID is the unstable |
| 17:31.57 | Grangin | that's the unstable lol |
| 17:31.59 | Grangin | haha |
| 17:32.04 | Whisky_ | Which player would play .3gp videos from cell phones ? |
| 17:32.08 | dak | sid will never be released |
| 17:32.09 | nerdy2 | but really testing should be fine |
| 17:32.10 | doublehp | Grangin: NEVER try a back migration SID->testing ... that is know NOT to work. If you are gonna backward sid->testing->stable, you need to re install from scratch |
| 17:32.12 | teknoprep | i actually have a MS ISA server running for one thing... exchange owa access since squid doesn't have a patch to let the dictionary work through reverse proxy |
| 17:32.27 | Grangin | doublehp, I actually thought SID was stable so... hehe sorry :) |
| 17:32.32 | doublehp | Grangin: in any case, just create seperate partitions: /boot /sid /testing /home |
| 17:32.33 | nerdy2 | haha, i'm pretty sure i've gone SID->stable before ;) |
| 17:32.45 | Grangin | doublehp ok that's a good idea |
| 17:32.46 | dak | i run sid on every linux box and i never have problems with stability or shit not working |
| 17:32.52 | Grangin | thanks a lot guys :D |
| 17:32.59 | dak | just gotta watch out some times when u dist-upgrade tho |
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| 17:33.10 | doublehp | Grangin: where my /boot is in fact just a grub that offers to select SID or testing ... does not actually store any kernel |
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| 17:33.33 | dak | what double? |
| 17:33.36 | doublehp | Grangin: in practice , I have XP+SID+Gentoo ~x86+Ubuntu |
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| 17:33.48 | Grangin | wow, that's a lot of OS |
| 17:34.05 | doublehp | Grangin: a first Grub to let me choose what, then each OS lets me choose the kernel of the day |
| 17:34.06 | unknown | what package do i need to install to get libdns.so to work? |
| 17:34.15 | dak | you have all them linux distro on the same box doublehp ? |
| 17:34.19 | foo | eeyore-: Any ideas? |
| 17:34.20 | dak | why? |
| 17:34.42 | teknoprep | i run everything through a vmware esx server |
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| 17:34.46 | teknoprep | and just run windows on my laptop |
| 17:34.56 | doublehp | dak: yup ... I think it is a 120GB drive, but they also fit in a 40GB. I need to boot each of them about once a week for various reasons |
| 17:34.58 | dak | i dont get when you got 3 distro's on the same machine |
| 17:34.59 | eeyore- | foo: did you just upgrade recently? i would first restart proftpd daemon itself first and if that still gives you problems, reboot |
| 17:35.05 | Whisky_ | Which player would play .3gp videos from cell phones ? |
| 17:35.05 | dak | what the hell is the point of it |
| 17:35.06 | xam | dak: that is a good question indeed ... |
| 17:35.15 | dak | yeah i dont get it xam |
| 17:35.16 | foo | eeyore-: heh, reboot? This is linux :P |
| 17:35.21 | eeyore- | foo: are you sure it's proftpd and not the ftp client? |
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| 17:35.35 | dak | i run deb even on laptops so i dunno |
| 17:35.39 | dak | teknoprep: what kind of laptop ? |
| 17:35.42 | nerdy2 | unknown, libdns20 ? |
| 17:35.44 | eeyore- | foo: linux still requires reboot every now and then. don't be stupid. |
| 17:35.45 | foo | eeyore-: yes, the logs are being thrown in /var/log/messages on the server |
| 17:35.45 | teknoprep | asus z71v |
| 17:35.50 | xam | Whisky_: afaik they are mp4s in a special container format, so mplayer/vlc wight work |
| 17:36.02 | teknoprep | 2.17ghz 2gigs of ram 6600go |
| 17:36.03 | foo | eeyore-: I actually just restarted proftpd and the first time I try a ls it still doesn't owk |
| 17:36.06 | foo | work |
| 17:36.07 | dak | has anyone gotten moreamp to work/compile |
| 17:36.08 | dak | ? |
| 17:36.16 | doublehp | dak Ubuntu allows to fix up broken partitions or so; Debian is then the fastest way to get my emails and chat. Gentoo is the most productive for me, but requires 1 month to compile on my slow machine. |
| 17:36.24 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:36.33 | doublehp | dak: if you dont quote my nick exactly, using TAB, I may not see your lines |
| 17:36.35 | dak | doublehp: you're a moron, sorry. |
| 17:36.36 | teknoprep | http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2346 <--- my laptop |
| 17:36.38 | eeyore- | foo: that's unusual. we have proftpd setup for lots and lots of customers and that glibc invalid free hasn't shown up once |
| 17:36.59 | foo | eeyore-: ftp is having problems too apparently, I mean, the program. It just throws 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 17:37.04 | dak | they are all linux dude... they all do the same thing. |
| 17:37.13 | dak | so why have 3 distros that all do the same thing ? |
| 17:37.15 | foo | eeyore-: hmm, should I look into upgrading just proftpd? |
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| 17:37.21 | doublehp | dak: by having a slow CPU that takes 1 month to compile Gentoo ? or by refusing the limited softwares of SID ? |
| 17:37.28 | dak | go in debian and use "cfdisk" |
| 17:37.35 | dak | you can change partitions |
| 17:37.38 | xam | doublehp: when I have this problem I usually use a installation or live CD and run a emergency shell |
| 17:37.39 | dak | in any os |
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| 17:37.58 | eeyore- | foo: is your proftpd 1.2.10-26? |
| 17:38.03 | dak | doublehp whats wrong with sid ?? |
| 17:38.12 | nerdy2 | doublehp, what's missing from SID that you so badly desire? |
| 17:38.20 | dak | foo ever think about using sftp, buit into sshd ? |
| 17:38.24 | doublehp | Xam I can not use live CDs for 1 month long ... |
| 17:38.25 | dak | alot safer... |
| 17:38.28 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.30 | foo | eeyore-: ^^ |
| 17:38.38 | dak | proftpd is always having problems |
| 17:38.39 | Grangin | before I reboot, there's no chance the debian testing installer could hose my other partitions is there? Hehe... i'm using the network boot iso image (nongui) |
| 17:38.43 | foo | dak: I do do that, but some transactions with me or other users require FTP |
| 17:38.45 | eeyore- | foo: dude, -26 the *debian* build versions |
| 17:38.52 | dak | remote and local roots and such. i dunno id never use proftpd |
| 17:39.04 | foo | eeyore-: hmm, I must of just done apt-get install and it installed this one. hmm |
| 17:39.18 | foo | eeyore-: I'll do apt-get remove proftpd and look for the -26 |
| 17:39.24 | eeyore- | foo: what's the *debian* build version of your proftpd package |
| 17:39.25 | dak | hrm foo they make sftp clients for every os... even free ones that arent bad at all |
| 17:39.30 | eeyore- | foo: no, just do dselect or something |
| 17:39.31 | doublehp | Dak nerdy2 requires too many hand paches, like rox-memo, rox-edit, gkrellm-launch, E17 integration, gradio, poor vim scripts ... |
| 17:39.34 | foo | eeyore-: oh |
| 17:39.49 | foo | server:/home/foo# dpkg -l | grep proftpd |
| 17:39.50 | foo | ii proftpd 1.2.10-15sarge Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon |
| 17:39.50 | foo | ii proftpd-common 1.2.10-15sarge Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon |
| 17:39.52 | dak | doublehp: so compile it in debian |
| 17:39.55 | foo | eeyore-: ^^ |
| 17:40.14 | doublehp | dak: compiling a debian is equal to installing Gentoo for me. |
| 17:40.17 | dak | apt-get remove --purge proftpd |
| 17:40.23 | dak | do that foo to remove the conf;s |
| 17:40.24 | xam | doublehp: I meant the 'broken partitions' problem. So there is no need for Ubuntu. Next is Gentoo which you claim are 'most productive' on' yet waste one month comiling just for upgrades ... |
| 17:40.32 | dak | cleans up the confs in packages when you remove them |
| 17:40.42 | foo | dak: yup |
| 17:40.52 | eeyore- | foo: well, i'm on sid :-) so i have the -26 build |
| 17:40.54 | dak | yeah how the hell are you more productive in gentoo then debian or vise versa ? |
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| 17:41.04 | dak | its still just linux |
| 17:41.11 | foo | eeyore-: hmm. Should I get sid sources and apt-get install proftpd from that? |
| 17:41.14 | teknoprep | it's different flavors tho |
| 17:41.16 | dak | you can do anything on gentoo in debian also |
| 17:41.23 | teknoprep | if you are more productive persoannly in gentoo |
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| 17:41.27 | dak | yeah but every app will work in any distro. |
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| 17:41.35 | teknoprep | and can work faster in it becuase of what you are used to |
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| 17:41.38 | teknoprep | then gentoo is for you |
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| 17:41.41 | dak | so how can you be more productive is what im wondering |
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| 17:42.50 | dak | wtf |
| 17:42.50 | teknoprep | ? |
| 17:42.54 | Gnea | that was just wrong. |
| 17:42.56 | teknoprep | lol we all need to stfu |
| 17:42.58 | dak | why would people flood this network |
| 17:42.58 | doublehp | xam experience shows that you always forgot the liveCD you need specially the day your computer breaks down. The probability to forget Ubuntu is way lower. |
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| 17:43.16 | xam | teknprep: I don't dispute that someone might be more productive with gentoo, but if the same person claims that a update takes a month in the very next sentence, then ... |
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| 17:43.27 | hent | anyone know a terminal that will let me use regulare emacs hot keys, such as M-v (which now opens the "View" terminal menu)? |
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| 17:43.29 | Gnea | ah, it's filter time |
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| 17:43.34 | dak | yeah im with xam 100% |
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| 17:43.40 | teknoprep | lol xam depends on your hardware and how you configure stuff |
| 17:43.40 | eeyore- | what kind of machine takes a month to update gentoo? |
| 17:43.41 | doublehp | dak I can just ... do things, even slowly, when Debian would takes ages to download, compile ... trying to compile for Debian bores me as much as installing programs on Windows |
| 17:43.41 | dak | ugh |
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| 17:43.43 | dak | made it +i |
| 17:43.43 | eeyore- | that's just silly |
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| 17:43.46 | baidfeis | I have ati rage 128 and when i run xawtv says me --->WARNING: Your X-Server has no DGA support. |
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| 17:43.52 | teknoprep | with vmware i could update eveything in seconds |
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| 17:44.04 | teknoprep | make one development box and the update every other box in seconds |
| 17:44.10 | dak | doublehp: their is less compiling in debian then gentoo bro |
| 17:44.12 | dak | alot less |
| 17:44.12 | teknoprep | from a single virtual machine |
| 17:44.15 | Gnea | doublehp: so setup distcc |
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| 17:44.29 | teknoprep | but that is true for vmware for any distro or OS |
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| 17:44.43 | doublehp | Gnea: what for ? |
| 17:44.48 | dak | and you can compile anything you want in debian, you dont just need to use the bianry's so those patches you talk about... |
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| 17:45.05 | teknoprep | i prefer creating my own .debs from source |
| 17:45.09 | dak | you'd save alot of time if you jsut compiled what you needed, and get the binary's for say the base system, and xwin and such,,, |
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| 17:45.28 | teknoprep | if i was to use debian on everything at work.. setup a central .deb package compiler then push from there |
| 17:45.28 | dak | iv never touched vmware, dunno dont see the point |
| 17:45.37 | teknoprep | dak you serious? |
| 17:45.38 | doublehp | dak: after 5 years with Debian, and 9 month with Gentoo, Gentoo looks sometimes easier to install ... you just wait longer time after asking installs ... but less problems for me afterwards. |
| 17:45.38 | Gnea | doublehp: decreases the time to compile significantly if you do it right |
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| 17:45.41 | Gnea | !distcc |
| 17:45.41 | dpkg | somebody said distcc was the Distributed C Compiler: http://distcc.samba.org/ A howto for Debian is here: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-distcc.php which allows you to load balance large compiles (kernels, etc) across two or more locally networked systems |
| 17:45.47 | groogs | how do I change the resolution in Xwindows? it's at 1024x768, but i want it at 800x600 |
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| 17:45.52 | dak | doublehp: what do you need gentoo for that you cant do on debian ?? |
| 17:45.52 | doublehp | Gnea: to compile what ? |
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| 17:45.59 | SimonRaven | !xwindows |
| 17:45.59 | dpkg | methinks xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 17:46.01 | Gnea | doublehp: whatever |
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| 17:46.19 | groogs | SimonRaven: so sorry. xorg |
| 17:46.20 | teknoprep | vmware can use sorta whats called a bubble of memory... if you have like 10 linux box's and they all run on the same ESX machine... and you allocate each one to have 386megs of ram.. everything that is the same about them can run in a virtual bubble of memory |
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| 17:46.30 | teknoprep | increasing speed like crazy |
| 17:46.35 | dak | that be cool if u could use distcc for like john.c |
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| 17:46.40 | doublehp | dak "(17:38:53) __ DHP __: Dak nerdy2 requires too many hand paches, like rox-memo, rox-edit, gkrellm-launch, E17 integration, gradio, poor vim scripts ... " Debian just needs 'human time' to install those, when in Gentoo I just hit a command, and go to sleep. |
| 17:46.58 | dak | dude iv compiled all those things on debian |
| 17:47.01 | teknoprep | also if you have 8% cpu usage out of lets say 1 blade on an ibm blade server.. you could have just run VMware ESX... segemented that into say 10 seperate box's |
| 17:47.02 | dak | with out the debian patches |
| 17:47.04 | SimonRaven | Setting up libldap2.3-0 (2.3.13-0.4) ... |
| 17:47.11 | teknoprep | thus allowing more use of your hardware |
| 17:47.14 | eeyore- | teknoprep: how could you possibly mention "vmware" and "increase speed" in the same breath? |
| 17:47.24 | teknoprep | eeyore- look it up foo |
| 17:47.34 | teknoprep | you are thinking of vmware workstation |
| 17:47.38 | teknoprep | which is for testing |
| 17:47.39 | dak | ah so they took down irc.debian.org |
| 17:47.41 | doublehp | dak E17 available for download from official mirors ? mplayer also official ? |
| 17:47.51 | dak | enlightment sucks bro |
| 17:47.53 | doublehp | dak where iis gkrellm-launch ? |
| 17:47.55 | teknoprep | http://www.vmware.com/products/esx/ |
| 17:48.01 | teknoprep | look that up fool before you speak |
| 17:48.03 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 17:48.03 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 17:48.07 | doublehp | dak the fact you dont like E17 does not means it sux |
| 17:48.14 | Gnea | dak: pardon? what sucks about it? |
| 17:48.18 | dak | double and iv used e17 on sid.... |
| 17:48.18 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: yeah |
| 17:48.22 | dak | so dont tell me it cant be done |
| 17:48.31 | SimonRaven | /ig -replies teknoprep :) |
| 17:48.41 | teknoprep | lol |
| 17:48.44 | teknoprep | ;) |
| 17:48.54 | dak | #enlightment dr17 |
| 17:48.55 | dak | #deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/ |
| 17:48.56 | dak | #deb http://mirror.my-space.ath.cx/ unstable/ |
| 17:49.06 | dak | from my sources.list |
| 17:49.08 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: i'd just as soon /ignore, then maybe +b later |
| 17:49.09 | Gnea | dak: no one cares. |
| 17:49.10 | Grangin | nice! |
| 17:49.20 | dak | im giving it to him so he has it gnea |
| 17:49.22 | Grangin | oh maybe not so nice? |
| 17:49.28 | doublehp | teknoprep: if that was for me, please quote my nick. E17 requires adding one more mirror, possible only since recent times, then one more mirror for mplayer, then an other for Java, then an other for firebird, then an other for .... and I end it with more than 10 mirors in my list. |
| 17:49.32 | dak | tryin to help him |
| 17:49.39 | dak | fuck brb |
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| 17:50.05 | doublehp | how to close a bug ? #number-close@b.d.o does not work |
| 17:50.17 | SimonRaven | maybe he'll grow a clue |
| 17:50.46 | SimonRaven | doublehp: www.debian.org has all that nicely set out for people to read |
| 17:51.00 | doublehp | how to stop receiving every day by email: unable to lookup moon via gethostbyname() |
| 17:51.33 | SimonRaven | fix your /etc/hosts / dns |
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| 17:51.46 | Gnea | doublehp: apt-get install space-bridge |
| 17:51.47 | Gnea | errr |
| 17:51.49 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:51.57 | doublehp | SimonRaven: this chan said me last year that I shall just add '-close' to the email of the bug to close it .... |
| 17:52.11 | SimonRaven | yes, but that was last year |
| 17:52.50 | teknoprep | doublehp no it was for eeyore- |
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| 17:54.20 | doublehp | dak I was originally just trying to help grangin, then you asked me why I wanted several dists on my box. |
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| 17:56.42 | SimonRaven | quagga seems to be a popular daemon |
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| 17:57.07 | asuffield | alrighty, time to clear out some old bans |
| 17:57.10 | asuffield | this is gonna be ugly |
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| 17:58.16 | SimonRaven | ...and add some new ones? :) |
| 17:58.18 | madclicker | there goes my old name -_- |
| 17:58.37 | teknoprep | paevm=true |
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| 17:58.42 | xam | asuffiled: in times where freenode is being attacked by a magnitude of spambot I don't know whether this is a wise idea ;) |
| 17:58.46 | madclicker | id there a routed process for sarge? |
| 17:59.09 | teknoprep | hmm wonder if vista is stable yet enough to run |
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| 17:59.37 | eeyore- | asuffield: cleaning out stale bans? |
| 17:59.44 | kolps | do someone know whether one can continu an interrupted upload with /bin/ftp ? |
| 17:59.50 | asuffield | yes |
| 17:59.53 | asuffield | there's a lot of them |
| 17:59.55 | SimonRaven | oh no, there goes kawfee |
| 18:00.06 | SimonRaven | yes there are a lot |
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| 18:00.08 | eeyore- | mwilson? |
| 18:00.09 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@82.79.* *!*n=sdswfd@85.101.84.* *!n=ubuntu@*!#ubuntu *!*n=senac@*.gnace300.ipd.brasiltelecom.net.br] by asuffield |
| 18:00.10 | xam | not kawfee |
| 18:00.10 | eeyore- | :-) |
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| 18:00.31 | asuffield | what, you thought I was done? I'm barely STARTED |
| 18:00.52 | teknoprep | why so many bans? |
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| 18:01.04 | asuffield | because we don't clear them out very often |
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| 18:01.40 | Gnea | apt-get clean |
| 18:02.06 | SimonRaven | irc style |
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| 18:02.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 18:02.39 | asuffield | that'll do for now |
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| 18:02.41 | madclicker | does anyone know if there is a package for "routed" in debian? |
| 18:02.51 | xam | Gnea: looked more like a dpkg --purge to mo |
| 18:02.53 | xam | me |
| 18:03.11 | SimonRaven | dpkg -P \* |
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| 18:04.57 | SimonRaven | that's a boatload... we had what, 230+, down to 79 |
| 18:05.18 | asuffield | we had four months worth |
| 18:05.20 | asuffield | now we have one |
| 18:05.21 | soymilk | i know this is probably a bleedingly obvious question, but if i want to have system-wide custom entries for /usr/lib/menu but not have them get wiped, where should they go? |
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| 18:05.35 | SimonRaven | wow |
| 18:06.08 | asuffield | most of them are probably dynamic addresses that go away after a couple of days in the first place |
| 18:06.16 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 18:06.28 | soymilk | or, conversely, can i create some directory in ~ to place my own custom menu entries that will get smoothly integrated into the debian menu listing? |
| 18:06.34 | asuffield | but I never remember to do this very often |
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| 18:06.42 | SimonRaven | soymilk: ~ |
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| 18:06.59 | benjamindees | does anybody know where Firefox gets it's mime type info on Debian? or if there is a "default" place to configure mime types? |
| 18:07.06 | soymilk | ~/.menu ? |
| 18:07.29 | SimonRaven | the menu method will mention where it looks. just do what it says and it'll get picked up when that user runs update-menus |
| 18:08.00 | RichiH_ | asuffield: i used to do it once a month, it is mostly done by dondelelcaro, these days |
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| 18:08.12 | KerPlunk | When will firefox 1.5 be added to sid? |
| 18:08.19 | asuffield | RichiH_: no it isn't, it's not been done at all in months :P |
| 18:08.19 | KerPlunk | How can I download it? |
| 18:08.22 | SimonRaven | WIR |
| 18:08.50 | RichiH_ | asuffield: well, heh |
| 18:08.51 | asuffield | there was stuff from *september* in there |
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| 18:09.02 | Eclipser | didn't firefox 1.5 have serious holes published already |
| 18:09.07 | asuffield | no, wait, august even |
| 18:09.15 | SimonRaven | O_O |
| 18:09.20 | KerPlunk | Eclipser: no, they had none. |
| 18:09.35 | Eclipser | I seem to recall reading something |
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| 18:10.00 | RedWork | any word on when kde-amusements and kdeaddons will be fixed? |
| 18:10.04 | RedWork | in etch |
| 18:10.04 | Binary_Dreamer | hi i am getting an error after installing my new kernel. is someone willing to help me? please prefix |
| 18:10.13 | Grangin | there was a report on slashdot about how you can do something with firefox 1.5 i think, but not security vulnerability |
| 18:10.16 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, what' the error message |
| 18:10.36 | KerPlunk | Grangin: There was a correction to that article...it was wrong. |
| 18:11.12 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, is this a pre-packaged kernel? what version? or did you build it yourself, if so, where'd you get the source? |
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| 18:11.27 | asuffield | Grangin: anything on slashdot is more likely wrong than right |
| 18:11.35 | Jojosan | 'lo |
| 18:11.54 | Eclipser | there was a buffer overflow bug in 1.5 found already but mozilla claims it's minor but will address it, a patch should be released early next year, they say |
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| 18:12.02 | RedWork | geez... can't type today |
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| 18:16.11 | Grangin | hey I'm testing the debian installer in a virtual machine right now, and it's looking up a source and it's just hanging there.. is there a way to cancel looking up headers? all it says is [0% Waiting for headers] . I tried ctrl c and nothing happened |
| 18:16.47 | Grangin | o wait there it goes, gosh that was a long time |
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| 18:18.01 | benjamindees | where can I get info on the /usr/share/applications directory? is it part of the LSB? |
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| 18:18.23 | stew | benjamindees: /msg dpkg fsh |
| 18:18.25 | stew | err |
| 18:18.33 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:19.15 | Binary_Dreamer | anybody willing to help me? |
| 18:19.29 | amilcarv | how can I run the debian setup from the console after I have installed debian |
| 18:19.34 | amilcarv | is it possible? |
| 18:19.39 | stew | Binary_Dreamer: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 18:20.11 | stew | amilcarv: /usr/sbin/base-config |
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| 18:20.30 | KerPlunk | Is it me...or does the etch firefox suck...I have no extensions/themes/plugins...but every like 20 pages I visit...firefox will hang...But when i use the stock firefox from mozilla.com .. it works fine. |
| 18:21.23 | amilcarv | thank you stew |
| 18:21.41 | amilcarv | KerPlunk I never had a problem with firefox |
| 18:21.48 | stew | KerPlunk: i have not had problems with etch's firefox |
| 18:22.28 | FlimFlamMan | what is the gnome desktop like on etch? i'm still using sarge. |
| 18:22.39 | Eulex | KerPlunk, you mean the 1.5 from mozilla.com? |
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| 18:22.59 | KerPlunk | Eulex: yes |
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| 18:23.45 | Eulex | KerPlunk, does it happen while browsing some special site? |
| 18:23.56 | quitte | FlimFlamMan: i haven't noticed any difference |
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| 18:24.56 | KerPlunk | Eulex: I think so...some sites in particular just make it hang. |
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| 18:25.21 | KerPlunk | Like when I go to www.mozilla.com and download firefox(the main link) it hangs. |
| 18:25.30 | KerPlunk | It hangs with galeon or epiphany at this spot also. |
| 18:25.36 | stew | KerPlunk: have you filed a bug? /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:26.08 | stew | KerPlunk: have you tried it after moving your ~/.mozilla out of the way? |
| 18:26.14 | xerophyte | how can i monitor the hard-drive failture and other stuff how can i check the drive |
| 18:26.22 | KerPlunk | stew: I just deleted it entirely. |
| 18:26.32 | KerPlunk | stew: nah it's probably not a bug. |
| 18:26.44 | stew | KerPlunk: if its not a bug what do you think it is? |
| 18:26.52 | tictac | xerophyte: do you have smart enabled on the drive? |
| 18:26.59 | KerPlunk | I tried to make my system faster...and remove some things that startup with the system....and put my login manager (slim) at the beginning...I tihnk I messed my system. |
| 18:27.31 | KerPlunk | I think I'm just going to format. |
| 18:27.35 | tictac | xerophyte: if so, try... smartmontools - control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T. |
| 18:27.38 | jbroome | that's the spirit |
| 18:27.43 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 18:27.50 | xerophyte | tictac, let me try smart |
| 18:27.51 | tictac | apt-cache search is your friend. use it. |
| 18:28.03 | tictac | xerophyte: enable it on the drive in the BIOS. |
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| 18:28.33 | aarkerio | Hi! how can I convert an MD5 password from command line? |
| 18:29.01 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, ya, I've asked you several questions, that if you would answer I could better help you |
| 18:29.12 | tictac | aarkerio: more information is needed to fulfill your request? convert it how? create one? |
| 18:30.20 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, are you around? do you still need help? |
| 18:30.29 | stew | aarkerio: mkpasswd -H md5 |
| 18:31.19 | aarkerio | stew, thanks |
| 18:32.08 | takatumi | tarzeau: ocp looks neat. |
| 18:32.51 | KerPlunk | Anyone have a guide on how to make my debian system startup faster? .. like cutting out services..and having my window manager load as fast as possible. |
| 18:33.01 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to get the DNAT target to work. 'iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 52575 -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.1.68' then i telnet to localhost:52575 and the connection hangs. 192.168.1.68 is accepting connections on 52575... |
| 18:33.13 | takatumi | KerPlunk: try rcconf |
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| 18:33.25 | aarkerio | bash: mkpasswd: command not found, I look on packages.debian.org and nothing about it |
| 18:33.38 | benjamindees | thanks stew, I think it's a freedesktop.org thing though |
| 18:34.07 | stew | !find bin/mkpasswd sarge |
| 18:34.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mkpasswd' (1): (/usr/bin/mkpasswd) in net/whois. |
| 18:34.27 | stew | benjamindees: what? /usr/share/foo? |
| 18:34.32 | RedWork | aardvarq, it's in whois |
| 18:34.44 | RedWork | so 'apt-get install whois' |
| 18:34.49 | stew | aarkerio: ^^ |
| 18:34.52 | abrotman | resiak: help! |
| 18:35.18 | stew | abrotman: happy friday |
| 18:35.19 | stew | ! |
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| 18:35.28 | benjamindees | stew, /usr/share/applications, I didn't see it in the FHS |
| 18:35.30 | aarkerio | I see |
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| 18:36.26 | stew | benjamindees: oh i though you meant "applications" as a placeholder not as a literal. in that case "dpkg -S /usr/share/applications" should give you a list of files and the packages that own them |
| 18:36.56 | abrotman | stew: something like that :) |
| 18:37.09 | stew | cmon |
| 18:37.41 | benjamindees | stew, I'm more interested in general info on what should be in the directory and how to use it. I think it's supposed to be menu entries, but firefox seems to be using it for mime info? |
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| 18:37.53 | Grangin | yayyy I was going to ask a question but I got it working, :) |
| 18:37.56 | drakh | Hi guys |
| 18:38.08 | stew | benjamindees: /usr/share/ is a freeforall of arch independent data |
| 18:38.23 | Binary_Dreamer | RedWork,yes i need the help. |
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| 18:40.45 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, you installed a new kernel and you're getting an error, what is the error? |
| 18:40.48 | SerajewelKS | rrgh.. what are possible reasons that a DNAT rule would not work? the connection is just timing out now. |
| 18:41.02 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, what version is the kernel you installed |
| 18:41.05 | amilcarv | how can I format a vfat drive from the console? |
| 18:41.11 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, what boot loader are you using? |
| 18:41.13 | takatumi | SerajewelKS: try firehol |
| 18:41.24 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, is it a pre-packaged kernel, or did you build it yourself? |
| 18:41.44 | SerajewelKS | takatumi: that's not really an answer to my question |
| 18:41.46 | Binary_Dreamer | RedWork,i did build it my self |
| 18:42.08 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, okay, where'd you get the source from? |
| 18:42.10 | Binary_Dreamer | RedWork,brb |
| 18:42.10 | SerajewelKS | does ip_forward need to be flipped on for DNAT to work? |
| 18:42.14 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, and, what is the error message? |
| 18:42.38 | gnufan | Anyone else pan config messed up by the latest in unstable? Or was it just me. Never really got to the bottom, pan sent me through a new sign up route, but even afterwards it was a mess, so I "mv .pan .panold" and set it up from scratch. Thinking maybe file a bug report, but I assume they know.... |
| 18:42.42 | soymilk | another obvious question, but if i have a long lines wrapped with "\" at the end, can i comment them with # ? |
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| 18:42.58 | jjazz | I did a dist-upgrade on testing today, and apt-get hangs at "Preconfiguring packages" I'm not sure where to start in tracking down the error. |
| 18:43.04 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it might not have been specific enough |
| 18:43.06 | soymilk | or will the # mess up the whole thing? |
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| 18:44.03 | soymilk | i see it doesn't. oh well |
| 18:44.12 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: my rule is: '-t nat -A PREROUTING -d <server's IP> -p tcp --dport 52575 -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.1.68' |
| 18:44.47 | soymilk | someone named Ibn-Batot is PM-ing me a lot |
| 18:45.06 | SerajewelKS | soymilk: /ignore |
| 18:45.13 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, are you using lilo? |
| 18:45.32 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, it looks like your lilo.conf may not have the correct root partition set |
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| 18:45.37 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: i ran a sniffer on another box and tried to connect to <server's IP>:52575. i see outgoing SYNs, but nothing coming back. |
| 18:46.00 | teknoprep | do you have a rule for established related/ |
| 18:46.03 | Binary_Dreamer | RedWork,i am using grub |
| 18:46.16 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, same idea, but I'm not as familiar with grub |
| 18:46.41 | nixxie | seraj: afaik, DNAT requires ip_forward |
| 18:46.46 | Binary_Dreamer | RedWork,i will reboot and i will tell u the grub contents. back in 10 |
| 18:46.50 | teknoprep | -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 18:46.51 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, wait |
| 18:47.03 | Binary_Dreamer | ok |
| 18:47.07 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: make sure you specify the interface and specific ip - if it's a dnat, well dnat doesn't even really work, at least not for tcp - just use a proxy like redir |
| 18:47.22 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: unless it's the same port |
| 18:47.22 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, the other possibility is that you don't have the correct file system driver in your kernel, or the module isn't built/being loaded |
| 18:47.34 | teknoprep | oh yeah |
| 18:47.35 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: it's the same port |
| 18:47.43 | teknoprep | you need ip_forward in the sysctl.conf |
| 18:47.46 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: why will dnat not work for tcp? google says it does |
| 18:47.57 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ok, you need the -i <interface> |
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| 18:48.04 | teknoprep | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 18:48.16 | nixxie | possibly even FORWARD rules |
| 18:48.23 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you might want to also add -m tcp and make sure /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 1 |
| 18:48.33 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: ip_forward is on, yes |
| 18:48.37 | Gnea | ok |
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| 18:49.14 | drakh | gnea where is that usually set in your startup files? the ip_forward > 1 |
| 18:49.14 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: run tcpdump on both ends |
| 18:49.19 | drakh | I just have it in my iptables script on startup, is that how I should be doing it |
| 18:49.25 | Gnea | drakh: it used to be /etc/network/options but apparantly that's changed somehow |
| 18:50.00 | drakh | I don't know, let me check |
| 18:50.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: trying on the server |
| 18:50.13 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: hrm i can't scp the capture file back to my box |
| 18:50.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: wait nevermind |
| 18:50.42 | drakh | gnea: it's there. I just didn't know about it. Thanks |
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| 18:51.09 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, try adding a FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s <source ip> -i <source IF> -d <target ip> -o <dest IF> |
| 18:51.20 | nixxie | add ports if you have to be really specific |
| 18:51.28 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: FORWARD's default policy is ACCEPT. why would that change aynthing. |
| 18:51.54 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS you using webmin for this? |
| 18:52.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: run tcpdump -i eth0 tcp port 52575, tcpdump -i eth1 tcp port 52575 on the server in separate terminals at once - then try to connect, see which one gets data nd which one doesn't |
| 18:52.02 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: uhm, no |
| 18:52.06 | Gnea | teknoprep: ROFL |
| 18:52.07 | teknoprep | sounds like it lol |
| 18:52.18 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: wtf |
| 18:52.22 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: how does it sound like it |
| 18:52.30 | teknoprep | the way you are explaining shit |
| 18:52.38 | Gnea | teknoprep: no no |
| 18:52.59 | KerPlunk | How can I restore my startup files to the defaults from when I installed the os? |
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| 18:53.04 | jbroome | !webmin |
| 18:53.04 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 18:53.16 | KerPlunk | Like /etc/rc[S/2].d/* |
| 18:53.28 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: well it's rewriting the packet, alright... |
| 18:53.35 | teknoprep | lol jbroome yeah we had this discussion earlier |
| 18:53.36 | benjamindees | stew, I'm trying to figure out why Firefox insists on opening .wmv files in Totem. If I delete the totem.desktop file in /usr/share/applications and run update-menus, it stops. |
| 18:53.37 | teknoprep | you are wrong |
| 18:53.53 | jbroome | doh, sorry guys |
| 18:54.03 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: the fuck... i'm explaining things in terms of iptables, not webmin, you twat. |
| 18:54.11 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: now run the same tcpdump on the internal machine to see if it's catching anything |
| 18:54.14 | teknoprep | yay |
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| 18:54.22 | teknoprep | he has resorted to name calling |
| 18:54.23 | teknoprep | i win |
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| 18:54.44 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: okay, here's what i see |
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| 18:54.51 | Gnea | teknoprep: sorry, actually no, you don't win jack shit. :) |
| 18:54.52 | maw | quick debian patches qeustion. is 2.6.8 with debian patches equivelent to something later like 2.6.12 or so? |
| 18:55.02 | azeem | maw: no |
| 18:55.05 | maw | I know redhat does this, revs the patches, but not the version. |
| 18:55.09 | Shadowcat | there's no such thing as a quick question |
| 18:55.16 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: on the .68 box, i connect to the router address on 52575.. it should forward the port back to .68, no? |
| 18:55.25 | Gnea | Shadowcat: why? :) |
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| 18:55.32 | teknoprep | Gnea i dont' win an item.. but i still win |
| 18:55.41 | EdibleText | !win teknoprep |
| 18:55.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, teknoprep! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:55.44 | Gnea | teknoprep: nope. now get over it. |
| 18:55.48 | teknoprep | yay |
| 18:55.49 | Shadowcat | oh great |
| 18:55.51 | eeyore- | teknoprep: dude, go easy |
| 18:56.01 | Shadowcat | teknoprep stop polluting the channel |
| 18:56.02 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: which it is doing, but since it doesn't mangle the source, it looks like .68 trying to connect to .68 on the server end. which is what should be happening. but the .68 machine never sees that packet. |
| 18:56.04 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: in theory... |
| 18:56.34 | Shadowcat | teknoprep: when you speak the channel IQ goes down by 50% |
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| 18:56.35 | teknoprep | yes |
| 18:56.43 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS what are you trying to do... |
| 18:56.45 | jbroome | Shadowcat: so he did win the us presidency.. :) |
| 18:56.49 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS lets actually be helpful |
| 18:56.50 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: dnat |
| 18:56.51 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i really don't know then - and i have to go get ready for an interview :/ |
| 18:56.57 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS from what to what? |
| 18:57.03 | Shadowcat | jbroome: if Bush joined freenode irc it'd crash |
| 18:57.04 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: from router to internal box |
| 18:57.05 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS on what ports |
| 18:57.13 | Shadowcat | it wouldn't be able to take his propaganda |
| 18:57.16 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS the router being the linux box? |
| 18:57.20 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: where were you when i explained this |
| 18:57.21 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, the target host has default gateway to the dnat host i suppose? |
| 18:57.30 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS i can't scroll |
| 18:57.32 | maw | ok, kernel maintainer answered it for me. |
| 18:57.33 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS too lazy |
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| 18:57.40 | Shadowcat | !lazy |
| 18:57.40 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 18:57.42 | SerajewelKS | !tell teknoprep about enter |
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| 18:57.54 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS so you are trying to have someone from the outside go to your lan on the inside on a specific port |
| 18:57.56 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: no |
| 18:57.57 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS thats easy |
| 18:58.00 | maw | said it's got to do with the non-free stuff inside kernel.org kernels. |
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| 18:58.07 | maw | thanks.. |
| 18:58.08 | Gnea | teknoprep: dude, if you can't scrollback then get lost |
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| 18:58.15 | nixxie | Sera: DNAT doesn't work unless the host to which you DNAT routes the packet back |
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| 18:58.32 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: aha |
| 18:58.47 | Master_Medic | Hey, I need to install debian stable. Problem is, my computer has a USB->ethernet adapater that the debian net install won't read... So I'm trying to download one of the full install binaries for the stable. But there are a ton of them. Which one should I use? I just want the base system. I'll update and get all my packages post-install. |
| 18:58.47 | nixxie | sera: since the address gets translated, the target host is clueless as to where to route it back. |
| 18:58.51 | RedWork | Binary_Dreamer, any luck? |
| 18:58.52 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: then i think i know how to do this |
| 18:59.05 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, either add host routes or set up default gateway to the box with DNAT rules |
| 18:59.13 | Shadowcat | usb to ethernet sucks |
| 18:59.24 | Master_Medic | Can you just tell me which binary iso to get? |
| 18:59.28 | nixxie | seraj: and you ought to put FORWARD policy to DENY and add some rules for your DNAT line |
| 18:59.29 | Master_Medic | I'm not sure which one. |
| 18:59.38 | Shadowcat | Master_Medic: if you're gonna conduct a network less install |
| 18:59.41 | Shadowcat | possibly ALL of them |
| 18:59.48 | Master_Medic | Why? |
| 18:59.53 | Master_Medic | It's just for the base system... |
| 18:59.57 | deadcat | i think i have an idea why my X hangs with the nvidia driver sometimes.. could it be because the power supply is not powerful enough to handle all the hardwares (hds) and a 128MB card? every slot on the computer is full i have 2 cdroms, 4 hds. |
| 18:59.57 | Shadowcat | you're certainly gonna need a shitload of packages to build a custom kernel |
| 19:00.09 | benjamindees | Master_Medic, just get the first two or three cds |
| 19:00.10 | eeyore- | deadcat: no |
| 19:00.11 | Master_Medic | I can connect to the net... Just post install.. |
| 19:00.24 | teknoprep | are you trying to redirect a port on the localhost? |
| 19:00.25 | eeyore- | deadcat: nvidia driver is known to randomly lock up without taking the machine down |
| 19:00.29 | Shadowcat | you see that makes no sense |
| 19:00.34 | Master_Medic | Why doesn't it? |
| 19:00.37 | Shadowcat | the installation kernel uses the same modules |
| 19:00.41 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS are you trying to redirect a port on the localhost? |
| 19:00.42 | Master_Medic | It does... |
| 19:00.43 | Master_Medic | wtf |
| 19:00.44 | Shadowcat | if you can connect post install you can connect pre-install |
| 19:00.52 | eeyore- | deadcat: if you experience this kind of lock up, read the X server log to see if you see something like "invalid event" or some such, that's the indicator |
| 19:00.53 | Master_Medic | So debian doesn't have any usb->ethernet support? |
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| 19:01.00 | quitte | is it possible to add a disk to an existant software raid volume? |
| 19:01.01 | GNULinux | Where in Kmail do i set POP3 server? |
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| 19:01.07 | quitte | raid5 |
| 19:01.07 | Shadowcat | Master_Medic: I'm not sure what's in the kernel to be honest |
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| 19:01.14 | Master_Medic | What the hell.. |
| 19:01.17 | Shadowcat | but I do know that it uses the same install kernel |
| 19:01.18 | Master_Medic | How am I supposed to run debian then? |
| 19:01.26 | EdibleText | Master_Medic, perhaps use linux26 option during netinstall |
| 19:01.32 | Shadowcat | Master_Medic: download the first dvd |
| 19:01.33 | Master_Medic | linux26? |
| 19:01.36 | nixxie | quitte, not really |
| 19:01.38 | Master_Medic | arg |
| 19:01.40 | Shadowcat | rebuild the kernel with net support |
| 19:01.42 | Master_Medic | What does the dvd have? |
| 19:01.42 | eeyore- | quitte: yes it is, but whether your filesystem can cope with it is different matter |
| 19:01.45 | Shadowcat | and hope |
| 19:01.45 | azeem | Master_Medic: to install a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:01.50 | deadcat | eeyore-: not machine down. X at 99%. been doing this to me for over a year now. but i just reinstalled the machine yesterday and it still does it.. and with minimum x apps. x-window-system-core xterm openbox xine-ui. |
| 19:01.59 | azeem | Master_Medic: the DVD has all the important packages, so you don't need networking during install |
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| 19:02.01 | KerPlunk | I have an external hdd...and I mount it (mount /dev/sda1 /external) ... and I use a program(unrar) to extract data from this external hdd, ...except unrar causes the hdd to stop responding...and the only want to get it to respond it to umount and mount it again....except that I can't umount it...because device is busy... umount -f doesn't work either...and I can't kill -9 pid# either to stop unrar |
| 19:02.01 | eeyore- | quitte: most "classic" linux filesystems don't like to grow/shrink on demand |
| 19:02.07 | KerPlunk | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:02.11 | quitte | eeyore- resize_reiserfs worked perfectly well for me. even online |
| 19:02.11 | Shadowcat | eeyore-: LVM! |
| 19:02.15 | teknoprep | ? |
| 19:02.19 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS you still here? |
| 19:02.28 | eeyore- | Shadowcat: LVM != filesystem :-) |
| 19:02.37 | RichiH_ | where are the logs who logged in when? |
| 19:02.37 | nixxie | eeyore: adding disks to raid5 without LVM? |
| 19:02.55 | eeyore- | nixxie: well, you do need a few pieces, yes, lvm is one of them |
| 19:03.03 | quitte | eeyore-: so just adding a further disk and telling it to include will take like a million hours but then the disk will just be bigger by the size of the smallest disk? |
| 19:03.09 | benjamindees | KerPlunk, use dd or ddrescue to copy the HD image someplace else |
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| 19:03.28 | nixxie | eeyo: my point being, if LVM isnt present on the RAID5, how is extending it going to work? mdadm? |
| 19:03.38 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS if you still here use redirect |
| 19:03.39 | eeyore- | quitte: in short, you would have had to have planned for this eventuality to begin with. you would have had to be using raid5 + lvm + a filesystem that likes to grow |
| 19:03.43 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS not dnat |
| 19:03.43 | quitte | eeyore-: i ant the actual raid volume to grow - not use lvm to add further volumes |
| 19:04.38 | KerPlunk | benjamindees: Why? |
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| 19:04.49 | KerPlunk | benjamindees: I just need to umount the drive. |
| 19:05.18 | quitte | eeyore-: can the physiacl volume grow if it is a raid5 disk? to ask in terms of lvm |
| 19:05.21 | benjamindees | KerPlunk, oh, I thought you wanted the data... |
| 19:05.39 | deadcat | whats the /sys and /srv doing on the d-i install? |
| 19:05.40 | KerPlunk | benjamindees: no..I just want to umount the drive...it won't allow me. |
| 19:05.41 | eeyore- | quitte: come again? |
| 19:05.48 | KerPlunk | benjamindees: And the process won't die.(unless I reboot) |
| 19:06.05 | teknoprep | quitte eeyore- i think he wants to be able to expand a LVM raid 5 array in the future |
| 19:06.10 | teknoprep | eeyore- if need be |
| 19:06.19 | nixxie | quitte, as i said, afaik its not possible to grow a raid5 when solely using raid5 (no lvm) without data destruction |
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| 19:06.31 | nixxie | at least not without grave risks |
| 19:06.45 | eeyore- | quitte: did you already use lvm with your raid5 array? |
| 19:07.07 | quitte | nixxie: it would mean reorganizing every single bit of course. |
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| 19:07.23 | quitte | eeyore-: no. i'm sitting on the disks ready to plug them in. |
| 19:07.23 | nixxie | quitte, i dont think there's support for it |
| 19:07.36 | nixxie | man mdadm |
| 19:07.47 | nixxie | maybe dmraid can do it. but thats not in sarge |
| 19:07.47 | quitte | ok ill read it |
| 19:07.49 | eeyore- | quitte: no, short answer. if you want to grow stuff in the future, lvm. |
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| 19:08.28 | deadcat | linux is getting more and more virtual fs on the system. |
| 19:08.28 | eeyore- | quitte: if you don't use lvm, you pretty much are stuck with whatever you make right now |
| 19:08.30 | quitte | eeyore-: with nraid it'd work,too |
| 19:08.31 | teknoprep | HBA -> san array |
| 19:08.36 | teknoprep | only good way for a good raid 5 |
| 19:08.51 | eeyore- | ok, yeah, or get a netapp :-) |
| 19:08.57 | teknoprep | natapp owns |
| 19:09.09 | gnufan | I can sell you a secondhand netapp - one careful owner... ;) |
| 19:09.10 | teknoprep | we have to use EMC at work tho... which really sucks |
| 19:09.15 | teknoprep | they have a contract with dell |
| 19:09.17 | eeyore- | too bad their "grade-a" disks fail fairly consistently :-p |
| 19:09.22 | nixxie | teknoprep, yeah, you've compared fibre channel HBAs and external san pricing with promise cards + a few IDE disks recently |
| 19:09.29 | eeyore- | wonder where/how they get their "grade-a" disks |
| 19:09.44 | teknoprep | nixxie well if you going to doit.. doit right |
| 19:09.46 | nixxie | cause if you found a cheap HBA+SAN solution i'd like to know abot it |
| 19:10.06 | nixxie | teknoprep, some ppl have budgets |
| 19:10.06 | teknoprep | nixxie you can find a cheap iscsi storage solution tho |
| 19:10.16 | teknoprep | build it yourself even |
| 19:10.21 | teknoprep | over ethernet |
| 19:10.27 | teknoprep | which would be very similar |
| 19:10.28 | eeyore- | nixxie: oh no contest there. for enterprise use, if you can afford netapp, go with one. for home use, it's stupid to buy a SAN box :-) |
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| 19:10.58 | eeyore- | nixxie: of course you could have way more fun with lvm and friends in the friendly/relaxed atmosphere of home tinkering ... |
| 19:11.11 | nixxie | well there's still alot in between home-use and enterprise san |
| 19:11.19 | teknoprep | you can get a hardware raid controller that can doit |
| 19:11.23 | teknoprep | expand a raid online |
| 19:11.41 | eeyore- | nixxie: cooldrives.com? they have some neat enclosures and 'affordable' hardware raid controllers |
| 19:11.44 | teknoprep | but then again expensive |
| 19:11.57 | nixxie | ive ordered a few boxes with 3ware 9550sx-8 and 8x300 and 500gb disks |
| 19:12.20 | quitte | yeeehah. mdadm supports growing levels 1/4/5/6 it seems. |
| 19:12.27 | nixxie | thats how i currently do it |
| 19:12.28 | eeyore- | nixxie: i was looking at aluminum two-bay eSATA enclosure. the 4-way multilane SATA bracket caught my attention since i have two unused sun 411 cases here, would be prefect |
| 19:12.55 | quitte | so i'll install with only 3 disks and add extra ones later to see if it actually works |
| 19:13.01 | eeyore- | nixxie: oh yeah, right, we do the same thing with 3ware + 10 120GB disks |
| 19:13.16 | nixxie | eeyore-, well, i happen to have that friendly relaxed tinkering atmosphere at work, since i own this place. :) |
| 19:13.17 | eeyore- | nixxie: that's the middle-ground between all-software and SAN i think |
| 19:13.25 | nixxie | eeyore-, i hear ya |
| 19:13.37 | nixxie | i played with hitachi sans. sweet stuff |
| 19:13.55 | nixxie | but inaffordable for my purposes. |
| 19:14.03 | teknoprep | netapp is better tho |
| 19:14.16 | teknoprep | hitachi is great for SAN only.. netapp just has so many applications it can be used for |
| 19:14.19 | teknoprep | at the same time |
| 19:14.27 | eeyore- | teknoprep: what "applications"? |
| 19:14.36 | eeyore- | teknoprep: it serves files. period. |
| 19:14.45 | teknoprep | it doesn't just do SAN |
| 19:14.59 | teknoprep | netapp does Iscsi its a NAS device and can be used for SAN |
| 19:15.05 | teknoprep | also has snapshots |
| 19:15.12 | eeyore- | teknoprep: but it still "just serve files" |
| 19:15.22 | teknoprep | so you can backup yor software without slowing the files |
| 19:15.49 | eeyore- | backing up with netapp snapshot is ... uh ... suboptimal |
| 19:15.52 | nixxie | snapshotting isnt a netapp feature |
| 19:15.54 | nixxie | nor is iscsi |
| 19:16.01 | nixxie | do you work there? :) |
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| 19:16.47 | teknoprep | lol is too nixxie |
| 19:17.01 | teknoprep | well its a feature built in |
| 19:17.04 | teknoprep | they didn't create it |
| 19:17.09 | nixxie | i ment to say netapp specific |
| 19:17.17 | eeyore- | nixxie: my one near-screwup with my netapp was when i tried to update the OS and "accidentally" (i.e., i didn't know jack-shit about it then) put the x86 image on the MIPS arch, heh heh |
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| 19:17.28 | eeyore- | nixxie: but i caught that before committing |
| 19:17.31 | nixxie | eeyore-, nice one :P |
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| 19:18.53 | sussudio | . |
| 19:19.02 | eeyore- | suss suss sussudio! |
| 19:19.12 | nixxie | !dutch |
| 19:19.12 | dpkg | it has been said that dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 19:19.16 | nixxie | ahh |
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| 19:24.40 | teknoprep | i love how SAN's are now using SATA |
| 19:24.51 | teknoprep | sata is great stuff |
| 19:25.08 | zasz | isn't there a new one, serial scsi or something like that? let me check |
| 19:25.17 | teknoprep | i heard something about it |
| 19:25.17 | zasz | SAS.. serial attached scsi |
| 19:25.19 | teknoprep | dunno tho |
| 19:25.24 | zasz | me neither. |
| 19:25.43 | teknoprep | probably expensive as hell like all scsi |
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| 19:26.46 | zasz | yep scsi is overpriced |
| 19:26.58 | zasz | but it's fast and it works for ages. |
| 19:27.09 | tarzeau_yoghurt | !popcon |
| 19:27.10 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:27.20 | teknoprep | lol you read mymind |
| 19:27.23 | teknoprep | i am making popcorn now |
| 19:27.35 | nixxie | s/r// |
| 19:27.38 | zasz | This is a different type of popcorn. |
| 19:29.07 | xerophyte | with smartctl i have 2 IDE disk with Hardware raid 1 ... what should give to the argument smartctl -a -d 3ware,N just confused about N could somebody tell me what will be that N |
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| 19:30.10 | teknoprep | i still say raid anything besides raid 1 is a pain in the arse in linux |
| 19:30.38 | teknoprep | and i would only use a hardware raid 1 for linux.. for the os only |
| 19:30.38 | xerophyte | smartctl -a -d 3ware,1 |
| 19:30.41 | xerophyte | do i have to say that |
| 19:30.53 | xerophyte | teknoprep, its hardware raid |
| 19:30.59 | teknoprep | yeah i know |
| 19:31.13 | teknoprep | aren't all 3ware cards? |
| 19:32.01 | stew | teknoprep: yes, they are. but why would raid 5 or raid 1+0 be more of a pain in linux than raid 1, or more of a pain than another os or what? |
| 19:32.34 | teknoprep | well software raid in windows is pretty nice since windows 2000 |
| 19:32.39 | teknoprep | even tho its still crappy |
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| 19:33.07 | teknoprep | raid is just a pain in the arse on the local box... nas and san just make it easy |
| 19:33.37 | benjamindees | bah, Linux raid is piece-of-cake |
| 19:33.46 | teknoprep | sure it is till you get problems |
| 19:33.52 | teknoprep | HDD failures are not fun |
| 19:34.00 | zasz | !life |
| 19:34.01 | dpkg | life is a bitch, then you marry her. |
| 19:34.06 | zasz | lol |
| 19:34.13 | teknoprep | haha |
| 19:34.14 | Dwonis | stew: raid-1 can be easier because you can boot off one or the other drive before the actual RAID driver kicks in, since RAID-1 just makes a copy of your drive. |
| 19:34.46 | stew | Dwonis: with hardware raid you can boot of it no matter what |
| 19:35.56 | Dwonis | stew: ah yes, I'm talking specifically about software raid. |
| 19:36.23 | Dwonis | (though it also happened with some Adaptec RAID card, IIRC) |
| 19:36.39 | benjamindees | well there's almost no reason not to use raid-1 |
| 19:37.06 | teknoprep | benjamindees vmware |
| 19:37.07 | teknoprep | yay |
| 19:37.17 | benjamindees | hard disks are cheap. raid controllers aren't |
| 19:37.57 | nukeu666 | how much does a raid controller come for? |
| 19:38.08 | teknoprep | depends on what you want |
| 19:38.14 | teknoprep | 100 - 20,000 $ easy |
| 19:39.17 | benjamindees | or have the cheap ones have gotten better recently? |
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| 19:39.21 | stew | i just buy used 3ware cards on ebay for cheap |
| 19:39.31 | teknoprep | cheap ones are fine |
| 19:39.35 | teknoprep | for home use |
| 19:39.59 | benjamindees | "fake" hardware raid? |
| 19:40.00 | teknoprep | like on the raid controllers we have... we can backup the raid config to each hdd in the array and to a floppy |
| 19:40.06 | teknoprep | for many ways to keep it redundant |
| 19:40.08 | stew | my 2tb array runs on a 8 port 64 bit 3ware card i got for < $100 |
| 19:40.16 | harleyg | can someone do me a favour |
| 19:40.20 | harleyg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.30 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 19:40.35 | SimonRaven | @lart harleyg |
| 19:40.39 | SimonRaven | !lart harleyg |
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| 19:40.51 | ravenbird | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of simonraven) |
| 19:41.07 | stew | harleyg: don't do that |
| 19:41.15 | harleyg | ok stewy babe |
| 19:41.28 | harleyg | JOKE |
| 19:41.32 | SimonRaven | if i had ops... |
| 19:41.35 | stew | uh huh |
| 19:41.48 | Dwonis | what does that do? |
| 19:41.52 | zasz | the last decent raid card I bought was about $700.00 |
| 19:41.52 | harleyg | try it |
| 19:41.54 | harleyg | its fun |
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| 19:42.01 | Dwonis | harleyg, um... no |
| 19:42.06 | harleyg | fine |
| 19:42.07 | stew | Dwonis: it gets you booted for flooding |
| 19:42.10 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: do it in a terminal, and be prepared to hit ctrl-c |
| 19:42.12 | harleyg | mk |
| 19:42.13 | zasz | u-320 SCSI, raid-1, raid-5, single channel. |
| 19:42.17 | zasz | Adaptec |
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| 19:42.28 | harleyg | simon it aint gunna kill him |
| 19:42.32 | SimonRaven | man yes |
| 19:42.34 | harleyg | be prepeared with a rifle.. |
| 19:42.38 | Dwonis | ah... I see, it executes "yes"... what's the -o for? |
| 19:42.41 | SimonRaven | harleyg: FOAD |
| 19:42.44 | stew | harleyg: seriously don't tell people to do that kind of stuff or you will be removed |
| 19:42.58 | harleyg | now theres no need for language like thatg simon |
| 19:43.04 | harleyg | GSYM |
| 19:43.06 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: executes it in whatever chanel you're in, for 'public consumption' |
| 19:43.12 | SimonRaven | channel* |
| 19:43.22 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: Sounds handy. Thanks. |
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| 19:43.28 | SimonRaven | harleyg: yes there is when you have people like you around |
| 19:43.33 | harleyg | really |
| 19:43.42 | teknoprep | YAY someone worse then me |
| 19:43.43 | teknoprep | hahahaha |
| 19:43.48 | SimonRaven | oh, and you are now ignored |
| 19:43.48 | harleyg | ive delt with people like myself, and i swear and get kciked |
| 19:43.52 | harleyg | woo |
| 19:44.02 | harleyg | 1 down, 1000 to go |
| 19:44.08 | stew | harleyg: if you don't have a debian related question, please move on |
| 19:44.13 | harleyg | ok |
| 19:44.17 | harleyg | whens kde3.5 gunna be stable |
| 19:44.25 | teknoprep | when they are done with it |
| 19:44.28 | harleyg | i know i keep asking |
| 19:44.29 | teknoprep | they need some help.. help them |
| 19:44.30 | stew | harleyg: sometime in 2007 probably |
| 19:44.34 | harleyg | there is an rc out... |
| 19:44.38 | bucky | harleyg, when etch becomes stable |
| 19:44.48 | harleyg | i mean, whens it gunna be in offcial apt-get servers |
| 19:45.00 | harleyg | i use the rc but that aint the point really |
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| 19:45.06 | blondie | kde is rubbish |
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| 19:45.12 | teknoprep | harleyg go compile the RC yourself |
| 19:45.12 | blondie | is all I can say |
| 19:45.14 | teknoprep | its quite easy |
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| 19:45.35 | s3t | Does anyone know why freenode.net moved to 'chat' @ port 6667 ? |
| 19:45.36 | harleyg | blondie, just a tty is cool but kde is sexy |
| 19:45.46 | stew | harleyg: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-12-15-14-19 |
| 19:45.47 | blondie | use xfce4 instead :P |
| 19:45.58 | harleyg | xfce = i hate |
| 19:45.58 | SimonRaven | www.freenode.net/news.shtml |
| 19:45.59 | harleyg | :) |
| 19:46.05 | harleyg | i hateg gnome! |
| 19:46.12 | teknoprep | xfce is a pain |
| 19:46.18 | harleyg | its kde, none, fluxbox |
| 19:46.31 | stew | harleyg: that post covers the plan for kde as well as gnome |
| 19:46.48 | tarzeau_yoghurt | harleyg: and amiwm? wmaker? |
| 19:46.53 | jjazz | teknoprep, I use xfce quite happily. |
| 19:47.15 | harleyg | nope |
| 19:47.21 | s3t | Didn't you hear what your daddy said? Use KDE. |
| 19:47.37 | Eclipser | linus is my daddy? |
| 19:47.58 | EdibleText | !who is your daddy |
| 19:48.02 | dpkg | EdibleText: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:48.21 | deadcat | eeyore-: not machine down. X at 99%. been doing this to me for over a year now. but i just reinstalled the machine yesterday and it still does it.. and with minimum x apps. x-window-system-core xterm openbox xine-ui. |
| 19:48.27 | deadcat | i think i have an idea why my X hangs with the nvidia driver sometimes.. could it be because the power supply is not powerful enough to handle all the hardwares (hds) and a 128MB card? every slot on the computer is full i have 2 cdroms, 4 hds. |
| 19:48.34 | tarzeau_yoghurt | !qotd0 |
| 19:48.35 | dpkg | < stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing? |
| 19:48.58 | teknoprep | deadcat how many watts your pw able to handle? |
| 19:49.12 | deadcat | teknoprep: 350 i think |
| 19:49.20 | teknoprep | deadcat that should be fine |
| 19:49.21 | eeyore- | deadcat: please check /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see if you have "invalid event" lines, google for it and you'll see why |
| 19:49.25 | EdibleText | deadcat, that should be sufficiant |
| 19:49.38 | eeyore- | deadcat: like i said, this is a very very well known nvidia kind of lock up |
| 19:49.43 | teknoprep | deadcat if you over use your PS it usually just shuts off |
| 19:49.57 | teknoprep | deadcat or starts on fire |
| 19:50.07 | s3t | I think Linus is going insane! Did y'all read that mailing list posting where he calls top Gnome developers "FUCKING IDIOTS" . That just doesn't look like what a 30+ year old professional might do in public. |
| 19:50.23 | teknoprep | s3t i would |
| 19:50.28 | eeyore- | s3t: he's not known to bite his tongue |
| 19:50.29 | SimonRaven | go to /. where they actually care |
| 19:50.30 | teknoprep | s3t but i am only 26 |
| 19:50.31 | Eclipser | he had a point |
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| 19:50.38 | tarzeau_yoghurt | s3t: url? |
| 19:50.40 | s3t | teknoprep: exactly |
| 19:50.55 | teknoprep | s3t i'll be 27 in 3 weeks YAY |
| 19:50.59 | deadcat | eeyore-: like i said. its been for years. i doubt that theres no version that works. i am the only one getting this though. |
| 19:51.01 | tarzeau_yoghurt | s3t: i agree on what linus says about GNOME |
| 19:51.19 | Eclipser | but I still like GTK stuff :p |
| 19:51.22 | tarzeau_yoghurt | s3t: but yes he said it wrong |
| 19:51.34 | tarzeau_yoghurt | he should have been kind and not rude |
| 19:51.44 | eeyore- | deadcat: well, if i can't convince you, i'm not gonna try |
| 19:51.48 | benjamindees | deadcat, my S3 Savage does that using Xine |
| 19:51.49 | deadcat | eeyore-: no invalid event |
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| 19:52.12 | deadcat | benjamindees: ya. xine. sometimes firefox. sometimes anything |
| 19:52.16 | EdibleText | perhaps he is stressed, but that doesnot excuse rudeness |
| 19:52.23 | benjamindees | dead, added Option "XaaNoCPUToScreenColorExpandFill" and it stopped. yeah firefox too |
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| 19:52.36 | s3t | I never liked Gnome (even less than KDE actually). But Linus just sounds *insane* (clinically insane, not "rad" insane) |
| 19:52.37 | thompa | hey |
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| 19:53.06 | Eclipser | s3t, since when were developers sane? |
| 19:53.06 | tarzeau_yoghurt | s3t: can you not just enjoy the funny,5 comments on /. ? |
| 19:53.08 | Dwonis | s3t: Linus almost always sounds insane. I've gotten over it. |
| 19:53.17 | Eclipser | I've had the feeling of going insane for a few years now |
| 19:53.20 | thompa | is their a app that records off of sound card? |
| 19:53.26 | tarzeau_yoghurt | thompa: audacity |
| 19:53.32 | tarzeau_yoghurt | thompa: there |
| 19:53.33 | thompa | streaming? |
| 19:53.42 | tarzeau_yoghurt | thompa: streaming what? a microphone? |
| 19:53.46 | Dwonis | thompa: sox |
| 19:53.47 | deadcat | benjamindees: to true or 1? |
| 19:53.55 | Eulex | s3t, the line between genious and insane is very thin |
| 19:53.56 | thompa | can it record radio |
| 19:54.04 | tarzeau_yoghurt | thompa: from the microphone? yes |
| 19:54.16 | s3t | tarzeau_yoghurt: re: url. your search is as good as mine. I didn't bookmark it. try author:torvalds "fucking idiot" on groups.google |
| 19:54.16 | thompa | sorry |
| 19:54.20 | Eclipser | thompa, if you have the signal coming in line in then yes :) |
| 19:54.28 | tarzeau_yoghurt | s3t: k, thanks |
| 19:54.34 | thompa | i meant realplayer streaming radio |
| 19:54.37 | deadcat | mplayer repo down or something? |
| 19:54.44 | Eclipser | thompa, uh |
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| 21:01.26 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS you have to enable something in the kernel |
| 21:01.27 | takatumi | tarzeau_yoghurt: which one? |
| 21:01.28 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS i keep saying this lol |
| 21:01.44 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: well regardless i don't care.. it's working for people on the internet and that's all i need |
| 21:01.59 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS you could use internal and external DNS to do the same thing |
| 21:02.10 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: but i *DON'T* *CARE* |
| 21:02.11 | tictac | "people on the internet" are overrated. local users rock ;) |
| 21:02.13 | teknoprep | using an internal dns server to make blah.com = an internal ip |
| 21:02.23 | tarzeau_yoghurt | takatumi: bubnbros |
| 21:02.29 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS lol whatever... make it work right not half assed lol |
| 21:02.33 | tictac | teknoprep: or, you could use views in bind9 so that you only have to run one dns server instance. |
| 21:02.59 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: stop trying to run my network |
| 21:03.01 | teknoprep | tictac i am used to having an Active Directory DNS for internal Bind for external |
| 21:03.11 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS run it right lol |
| 21:03.18 | zea | I have raid 0 set up with partitions created, using nforce4 chipset. how do I install debian within this setup? I don't know how to apply the nvraid driver during debian instalation |
| 21:03.19 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: case in point. stfu. |
| 21:03.26 | takatumi | SerajewelKS: run |
| 21:03.27 | azeem | SerajewelKS: /ignore |
| 21:03.36 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS oh yeah that sorks... |
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| 21:03.52 | tictac | SerajewelKS: you could also use forwarding on your gateway/router/<insertyournameforithere> to send all requests at your externalip:80/8080/etc to your local address 172.16.12.0:80/8080/etc |
| 21:04.07 | SerajewelKS | tictac: that's what we're doing, no? |
| 21:04.11 | bizkit | why is this not working (no ouput?) tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep -v CRON | ccze |
| 21:04.19 | tictac | i didnt know. i kinda cut in during the middle of the conversations :) |
| 21:04.39 | teknoprep | tictac i don't think he has the NAT for internal connections enabled in the kernel |
| 21:04.44 | tictac | s/conversations/conversation/ |
| 21:04.57 | bizkit | i just want to tail everything out of syslog, colorize it but exclude CRON stuff, however cron stuff should stay in there so i won't add cron.none to syslog.conf |
| 21:05.00 | teknoprep | personally i don't run anything with direct connections to the net... i proxy most everything |
| 21:05.12 | teknoprep | reverse proxying adds a great layer of security |
| 21:05.13 | tictac | hmm. |
| 21:05.17 | Dwonis | bizkit: add --line-buffered to grep? |
| 21:05.32 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: it also adds quite a bit to your job security, since someone has to run those servers |
| 21:05.39 | bizkit | Dwonis: thanks, this works! |
| 21:05.47 | Dwonis | bizkit: no problem :) |
| 21:05.57 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS i run the reverse proxying on the firewall |
| 21:06.03 | tictac | Dwonis: whats wrong with bind9? :) |
| 21:06.10 | deadcat | benjamindees: setting NvAGP to 0 seems working. but will have to do more test |
| 21:06.17 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: isn't that called "nat"? |
| 21:06.28 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS reverse proxying is not nat lol |
| 21:06.53 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS insteady of proxying out to the net... it proxy's from the net to the lan |
| 21:07.06 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: right, inbound nat |
| 21:07.09 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS its proxying in reverse from the norm.. look it up on squid |
| 21:07.13 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS lol no foo |
| 21:07.20 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS it has nothing to do with nat |
| 21:07.39 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS nat is network address translation and is done with IPTABLES.. reverse proxying is done with squid |
| 21:07.41 | bizkit | is there anything that can help me to better read a tailed syslog? e.g. a tool which does last message repeated N times and such |
| 21:08.07 | Dwonis | tictac: it's just overly large and poorly-designed. |
| 21:08.16 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: you said you run the reverse proxying on the firewall. so you meant "on the same box as the firewall" then.. otherwise it would be iptables. |
| 21:08.49 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS yes |
| 21:08.58 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS i run it on the same box as the iptables box |
| 21:09.03 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS but i do no nating |
| 21:09.17 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: right.. "i run the reverse proxying on the firewall" was what confused me |
| 21:09.18 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS at least no natting in for http requests |
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| 21:09.39 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS nat and ip forwarding is not the only thing a 'firewall' can do |
| 21:09.48 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: i know that |
| 21:09.51 | teknoprep | "firewall" is just a word |
| 21:09.57 | benjamindees | deadcat, great |
| 21:10.23 | teknoprep | bizkit - http://sourceforge.net/projects/php-syslog-ng |
| 21:10.27 | teknoprep | bizkit check that out |
| 21:10.27 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: i consider a firewall to be something that operates on individual packets |
| 21:10.28 | ribnitz | tictac: more nfs daemons? |
| 21:10.31 | teknoprep | bizkit great program |
| 21:10.39 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS thats you |
| 21:10.51 | SerajewelKS | teknoprep: yes, which is why i was confused |
| 21:11.09 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: autofs |
| 21:11.14 | tictac | autofs |
| 21:11.18 | tictac | doh |
| 21:11.33 | ribnitz | even if they are plugged into an usb hub? |
| 21:11.43 | tictac | yes, should work all the same. |
| 21:11.45 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: uhm yes |
| 21:11.46 | ribnitz | and not always at the same position? |
| 21:11.56 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: meh, kinda |
| 21:12.05 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: that's where udev comes in, but still autofs is nice |
| 21:12.10 | teknoprep | SerajewelKS on my "firewall" i run ids/ips, dns, iptables, clustering software for failover, squid, privoxy, dansguardian |
| 21:12.12 | teknoprep | other stuff too |
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| 21:12.29 | ryan` | sooo |
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| 21:12.40 | teknoprep | delegated is a great proxy for protocols too |
| 21:12.44 | teknoprep | identd |
| 21:12.45 | dippo__ | what is the maximum filesize for a file on ext3? |
| 21:12.47 | ribnitz | teknoprep: "dedicated" vs. non-dedicated firewall |
| 21:12.56 | teknoprep | ribnitz ? |
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| 21:13.15 | teknoprep | ribnitz what would be a non-dedicated firewall? |
| 21:13.18 | mike-e | my computer keeps making a beeping noise, how i can check on what that is |
| 21:13.27 | ribnitz | teknoprep: firewall as a box doing only firewal, vs. a shortwall running in the background? |
| 21:13.30 | teknoprep | look up the beep on google |
| 21:13.37 | ryan` | I'm kinda stumped. sudo is claming my account is not allowed to use sudo, yet my account is in the staff groups (verified /etc/group, and output of the 'groups' command), and I have a '%staff All=(ALL) ALL' in /etc/sudoers. |
| 21:13.38 | bizkit | teknoprep: thanks |
| 21:13.39 | teknoprep | shortwall? |
| 21:13.39 | ryan` | wtf. |
| 21:14.08 | teknoprep | wtf is a shortwall? |
| 21:14.11 | ribnitz | teknoprep: you know, firewalls are ugly if they are too long... typo.. shorewall |
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| 21:14.20 | zea | does the netinst cd image for amd64 (testing) come with dmraid? |
| 21:14.23 | teknoprep | shorewall sucks |
| 21:14.34 | brox | i have a dual boot hd: the first 40G is windows and the rest debian - how can i reinstall windows; or remove and then install 2000 - but still keep my grub? |
| 21:14.39 | ribnitz | teknoprep: is there any thing better? |
| 21:14.46 | teknoprep | for opensource |
| 21:14.47 | teknoprep | lots |
| 21:14.47 | SerajewelKS | brox: you can't, really |
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| 21:14.56 | ribnitz | teknoprep: I havent found any. |
| 21:15.00 | teknoprep | ribnitz www.redwall-firewall.com if you want a prebuilt one |
| 21:15.03 | brox | SerajewelKS: :( |
| 21:15.05 | SerajewelKS | brox: windows will bork it. install windows then boot from the debian install cd, chroot, and install grub again. |
| 21:15.09 | teknoprep | ribnitz or just build it yourself |
| 21:15.20 | ryan` | ARG! |
| 21:16.03 | teknoprep | ribnitz monowall is hot |
| 21:16.07 | ribnitz | teknoprep: thats why I chose shorewall, I dont want to mess with iptables. |
| 21:16.28 | zasz | ohh |
| 21:16.36 | teknoprep | ribnitz ok for ease of use home firewall's |
| 21:16.40 | muep | why are the source repositories enabled by default? they aren't often necessary and they slow down apt on old computers. I have never used them. is it safe to disable them? |
| 21:16.47 | brox | SerajewelKS: ok so when i chroot - i just reinstall grub? apt-get remove --purge grub apt-get install grub? or is there some trick |
| 21:16.51 | zasz | rib I'm not very good with iptables rules, but I use quicktables, it generates a ruleset for you |
| 21:16.57 | zasz | then you edit as needed |
| 21:17.03 | jjazz | muep, you only need them to compile from source |
| 21:17.09 | [1]ruki | I am using the guest system of a vserver and would like to know how I can find out how much memory the processes of my guest system consume. top only gives me the numbers of the host system. with ps aux I only get percentages. What tool can I use? |
| 21:17.10 | SerajewelKS | brox: iirc, grub-install /dev/hda |
| 21:17.12 | jjazz | muep, If you never do that, go ahead and comment them out. |
| 21:17.18 | SerajewelKS | brox: i haven't used grub in a while |
| 21:17.19 | muep | jjazz: thanks |
| 21:17.21 | ribnitz | teknoprep: ok,. thats a different segment.. |
| 21:17.42 | teknoprep | ? |
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| 21:17.47 | teknoprep | ribnitz wtf you talking about? |
| 21:17.59 | repp | [1]ruki: free |
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| 21:18.38 | ribnitz | teknoprep: corporate fws (with a skilled admin) being different for the home-user-needs-easy-to-use-thing. |
| 21:19.02 | zasz | come on rib it's not that hard. is this for you personally? |
| 21:19.04 | pipeline | brox: You're pretty much forced to reinstall grub, I'm afraid. |
| 21:19.10 | teknoprep | ribnitz you use shorewall for a coporate network? |
| 21:19.13 | siegie | does anyone know a sollution for this bios error primary ide channel no 80 conducter cable installed |
| 21:19.20 | ribnitz | teknoprep: yep. |
| 21:19.24 | teknoprep | ribnitz lol |
| 21:19.33 | SerajewelKS | siegie: plug the IDE cable in |
| 21:19.38 | zasz | teknoprep don't laugh at others :/ |
| 21:19.38 | pipeline | siegie: Do you, in fact, have an 80-pin cable installed? |
| 21:19.47 | zasz | it's so arrogant |
| 21:19.49 | ribnitz | teknoprep: as I said, I didnt find anything better so far... |
| 21:19.51 | EdibleText | siegie, get an IDE cable from this century |
| 21:19.56 | abrotman | i use 120 pin cables so the data moves faster |
| 21:20.03 | abrotman | pipeline: you got unbanned! |
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| 21:20.09 | teknoprep | ribnitz much better for coporate http://www.smoothwall.net/ |
| 21:20.10 | zasz | ribnitz give google a search for quicktables |
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| 21:20.13 | Serge_K | siegie: you just have to 80-cadle connect... not 40-one |
| 21:20.15 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, I wasn't banned, but I was muted for an extended period of time. |
| 21:20.21 | abrotman | same thing :) |
| 21:20.25 | zasz | oooh smoothwall runs too many services |
| 21:20.28 | zasz | imo |
| 21:20.31 | astronut | hmm |
| 21:20.32 | siegie | EdibleText, i think it is a good cable it works in my pentium 2 |
| 21:20.35 | astronut | it's slowing downn my system |
| 21:20.39 | teknoprep | zasz its for ease of use |
| 21:20.42 | zasz | quicktables just makes a ruleset ... |
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| 21:20.46 | zasz | quicktables is easy |
| 21:20.49 | zasz | :) |
| 21:20.49 | teknoprep | zasz i still prefer building my own |
| 21:20.57 | astronut | should i renice it low to get it over and done with or renice it high so it doesn't interfere as much? |
| 21:20.58 | zasz | me to |
| 21:21.00 | ribnitz | teknoprep: thats commercial. |
| 21:21.02 | teknoprep | zasz no helper configs or anything |
| 21:21.13 | teknoprep | ribnitz http://www.smoothwall.org/ is the free version |
| 21:21.16 | EdibleText | siegie, I think that error is related to 40 pin vs 80 pin cable. |
| 21:21.26 | [1]ruki | repp: thx but free is the same as top: shows memory usage of the host system, not the guest system only |
| 21:21.29 | zasz | quick tables builds a shell script that you can add into startup without running uneeded http services etc |
| 21:21.37 | djp | is it possible to install apps for indivdual users rather than globally? by that i mean i have 3 users who use my pc but 1 individual wants to install a specific program. |
| 21:21.37 | SerajewelKS | [1]ruki: is this usermodelinux? |
| 21:21.38 | pipeline | abrotman: For a while there, I figured that I was still muted and ust not receiving the errors :P |
| 21:21.49 | EdibleText | siegie, 80 pins are sexier anyway |
| 21:21.50 | pipeline | djp: Install the program in his home directory. |
| 21:21.56 | abrotman | pipeline: hehe |
| 21:21.58 | jjazz | abrotman: Is mwilson still banned? |
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| 21:22.04 | pipeline | mwilson is banned! |
| 21:22.05 | pipeline | awesome! |
| 21:22.09 | teknoprep | ribnitz zasz the best prepackaged firewall system is sstill www.redwall-firewall.com |
| 21:22.14 | pipeline | mwilson alone is responsible for the popularity of Ubuntu |
| 21:22.26 | siegie | EdibleText, i don"t know why it works fine in my pentium 2 and not in a pentium 3 pc |
| 21:22.26 | abrotman | jjazz: yes |
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| 21:22.30 | abrotman | jjazz: afaik anyways |
| 21:22.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: woot =) |
| 21:22.32 | jjazz | Yes, he is world-class prick. |
| 21:22.34 | tazle | Setting up amavis-stats (0.1.12-6) ... |
| 21:22.34 | tazle | /usr/bin/python: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libpam.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:22.41 | tazle | I wonder why it tries to load libpam |
| 21:22.48 | astronut | d'oh! |
| 21:22.50 | EdibleText | siegie, different bios. |
| 21:22.51 | abrotman | oh wait .. i odn't remeber his IP .. maybe he isn't |
| 21:22.52 | Serge_K | siegie: boards supporting high DMA modes denand 80 pin cables.. it works with 40 too.. but errors might be |
| 21:22.55 | djp | pipeline, is that the best/only way? |
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| 21:23.05 | jjazz | !seen mwilson |
| 21:23.06 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 60d 16m 42s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 21:23.08 | [1]ruki | SerajewelKS: no it's the one from linux-vserver.org |
| 21:23.09 | pipeline | djp: It's not the only way, but it's probably the best |
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| 21:23.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, asuffield was cleaning out stale bans earlier :-) |
| 21:23.28 | abrotman | jjazz: uhm .. afaict .. nope .. mwilson is no longer banned |
| 21:23.46 | zasz | teknoprep, tell me how it's better then quicktables |
| 21:23.49 | pipeline | abrotman: But he's not here, so he might has well be. |
| 21:23.50 | jjazz | Either way, he hasn't shown up in a while. Maybe his feelings are hurt and he'll never come back. |
| 21:24.03 | siegie | Serge_K, are these errors serieus, because debian freezes sometimes |
| 21:24.06 | djp | pipeline, i gather that i can not use aptitude to to that? |
| 21:24.10 | pipeline | mwilson was a smart, helpful guy, but manalive was he a fucking prick. |
| 21:24.11 | zasz | if you are correct I will most likely say "well spank my ass and call me susan" |
| 21:24.15 | eeyore- | jjazz: /whois mwilson .. he's still on |
| 21:24.17 | jjazz | pipeline, yup |
| 21:24.21 | pipeline | djp: eesh, that you cannot. |
| 21:24.31 | eeyore- | pipeline: i have to disagree with the "helpful" comment |
| 21:24.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: maybe i should msg him and tell him :) |
| 21:24.33 | pipeline | djp: Packages have to be intended to go into a standalone tree to abuse them that way. |
| 21:24.39 | EdibleText | I naver interacted with mwilson, but i always though he represented an needed, and underrepresented viewpoint. |
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| 21:24.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: not helpful always .. but sadly .. usually right :) |
| 21:24.48 | EdibleText | an/a |
| 21:24.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: don't you dare! |
| 21:24.50 | jjazz | eeyore-, dpkg says he hasn't been here in 60 days :) |
| 21:24.50 | pipeline | EdibleText: The viewpoint that everyone who isn't him should rot and die? |
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| 21:25.06 | Serge_K | siegie: maybe. I havent seen .. but it maybe |
| 21:25.23 | djp | pipeline, i see. think it may be better then to just install the app universally. thanks pipeline by the way... |
| 21:25.36 | teknoprep | zasz go look at what it can do... it does everything you need... not just iptables |
| 21:25.42 | eeyore- | EdibleText: pipeline's summary is just about dead-on |
| 21:25.46 | EdibleText | pipeline, curmudgens arent necsaseraly bad poeple |
| 21:25.51 | teknoprep | zasz most everything works becuase its already configured |
| 21:25.57 | asuffield | I figure that after a few months, people will either get the point, or be so blatant that they just get banned again |
| 21:26.03 | EdibleText | just hard to get along with |
| 21:26.06 | asuffield | but more to the point, I couldn't be arsed to think about a hundred and fifty bans |
| 21:26.08 | pipeline | EdibleText: He went out of his way to scare people out of using debian. He was deliberately nasty. |
| 21:26.10 | asuffield | so I just axed the lot |
| 21:26.15 | zasz | teknoprep all you do is run quicktables then ./script.rc :/ |
| 21:26.18 | EdibleText | but this _is_a social environment |
| 21:26.22 | zasz | I still don't see how it's better |
| 21:26.33 | teknoprep | zasz http://www.redwall-firewall.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=29 |
| 21:26.37 | zasz | does it install webservices and other silly things |
| 21:26.40 | zasz | I will read |
| 21:26.42 | abrotman | asuffield: don't worry .. i'll still buy you beer! :) |
| 21:26.45 | eeyore- | asuffield: i wonder how your lawn looks :-)))))) |
| 21:26.49 | EdibleText | pipeline, yeah thats never good. |
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| 21:27.01 | asuffield | eeyore-: like a shrubbery |
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| 21:27.40 | siegie | Serge_K, okey thanks, i'm going to search for a 80 pins cable |
| 21:27.42 | zasz | my first shot at debian was sarge, never looked back. |
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| 21:27.46 | zasz | I love it |
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| 21:27.53 | eeyore- | zasz: sid |
| 21:28.00 | zasz | I want to make love to debian but I can't :( |
| 21:28.05 | tazle | also, can I somehow get debug output from apt? |
| 21:28.14 | zasz | i want to hold debian in my arms but I can't |
| 21:28.21 | zasz | ohhh woh is me |
| 21:28.33 | zasz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.37 | tazle | (something that outputs more of what it does, and enables similar flags on all subprograms) |
| 21:28.41 | EdibleText | zasz, theres always the backdoor |
| 21:28.41 | benjamindees | !fuck zasz |
| 21:28.53 | zasz | :O |
| 21:29.14 | Serge_K | siegie: yes its better to check right things... though you might take a look at yout log files and see wahats wrong |
| 21:29.30 | zasz | eeyore-: sid is evil :< |
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| 21:29.59 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:30.28 | jjazz | abrotman, please don't. Imagine how big a prick he'll be if he thinks people want him around. |
| 21:30.37 | asuffield | abrotman: you behave |
| 21:30.41 | abrotman | i don't really mind him TBH |
| 21:30.49 | abrotman | though .. i've never gotten into it with him either |
| 21:31.55 | EdibleText | he riminds my of that cranky old man next store. who threatens to call the police. |
| 21:32.03 | zasz | lol |
| 21:32.14 | zasz | that's pretty funny |
| 21:32.16 | EdibleText | hes endeared himself |
| 21:32.17 | jjazz | EdibleText, More like the crazy old lady who turns the garden hose on trick-or-treaters |
| 21:32.33 | jjazz | EdibleText, he's a little too malevolent to be endearing |
| 21:32.40 | benjamindees | do I have to recompile a kernel to get the savage dri module? |
| 21:33.40 | abrotman | azeem: when did oyu get ops ? |
| 21:33.46 | benjamindees | er, drm rather |
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| 21:34.06 | azeem | over the weekend I think |
| 21:34.42 | thingfish | azeem: you're an op now? Congratulations - I've often thought you'd make an excellent one. |
| 21:35.12 | zasz | ops? how can you tell, I don't see a @ |
| 21:35.27 | caphuso | zasz: we're psychic |
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| 21:35.32 | zasz | :( |
| 21:35.36 | caphuso | zasz: /msg ChanServ acccess #debian list |
| 21:35.40 | zasz | I wanted a real answer |
| 21:35.43 | zasz | ah, thx |
| 21:35.44 | abrotman | azeem: and you never told us! |
| 21:35.49 | caphuso | minus the typos |
| 21:36.00 | azeem | abrotman: whoops :) |
| 21:36.07 | thingfish | Yes, if I'd have known, I'd have baked a cake. |
| 21:36.08 | azeem | I was mostly busy partying over the weekend |
| 21:36.11 | jjazz | abrotman, he was holding out for the extra shock when he bans you |
| 21:36.13 | zasz | sweet now I know who not to mess with |
| 21:36.18 | abrotman | azeem: i'm gonna add you to !ops !!! |
| 21:36.28 | abrotman | azeem: or should i not ? |
| 21:36.50 | thingfish | yes do, abrotman, I mean why not? If he's an op, he should be there. |
| 21:36.56 | azeem | abrotman: go ahead |
| 21:37.04 | thingfish | there's a sport. |
| 21:37.05 | abrotman | he can be unresponsive like the rest! :) |
| 21:37.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:37.13 | thingfish | getting off to a good start. |
| 21:37.15 | azeem | abrotman: well, I made irssi notify me IN GREEN when somebody says !ops |
| 21:37.23 | thingfish | ooh green |
| 21:37.24 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 21:37.35 | abrotman | azeem: you sohuld try periwinkle! |
| 21:37.38 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 21:37.53 | dos000 | is there a command in the debian installer to fetch files from a web server. and when does one can do it ? |
| 21:37.53 | EdibleText | abrotman, would clash with the wallpaper |
| 21:38.03 | abrotman | azeem: done! |
| 21:38.07 | azeem | thanks |
| 21:38.10 | stew | yay |
| 21:38.19 | abrotman | azeem: now you can wear a smile all around town! |
| 21:38.20 | azeem | dos000: try to run a shell and see whether wget is available? |
| 21:38.26 | SimonRaven | done in da 'bird too |
| 21:38.36 | abrotman | do we care enough to fix apt? :) |
| 21:38.38 | azeem | or maybe there is a wget .udeb you can install optionally from main menu |
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| 21:38.52 | EdibleText | !comfort apt |
| 21:38.52 | dpkg | There, there, apt. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:38.53 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 21:39.04 | SimonRaven | you too |
| 21:39.18 | abrotman | apt: cmd: ops (.*?) =~ s/gravity/gravity, azeem/ |
| 21:39.18 | apt | OK, abrotman |
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| 21:43.16 | abrotman | yonkeltron: again ? .. you say that like once a week! |
| 21:43.19 | mike-e | my computer keeps making a beeping noise, how i can check on what that is |
| 21:43.29 | abrotman | are you doing anything ? |
| 21:43.46 | mike-e | no |
| 21:43.54 | abrotman | it just beeps randomly ? |
| 21:43.58 | mike-e | yes |
| 21:43.59 | micha-- | mike-e: probably overheating? |
| 21:44.12 | abrotman | you're not unplugging/plugging in stuff ? .. using the keyboard ? .. have a book resting on the keyboard ? |
| 21:44.13 | Eulex | mike-e, got any thermal in it? |
| 21:44.16 | micha-- | mine beeps regularly when its too hot |
| 21:44.20 | ribnitz | mike-e: mostly that will be sound. If oyu know the mobo, there's docs on the net |
| 21:44.29 | mike-e | are there temperature meters for x? |
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| 21:44.34 | thingfish | I wonder if "shabbos" is an alternate term for 'sabbath'. |
| 21:44.44 | abrotman | mike-e: sure .. what desktop do you use ? |
| 21:44.48 | mike-e | xfce |
| 21:44.49 | abrotman | thingfish: duh |
| 21:44.49 | micha-- | thingfish: think so |
| 21:44.56 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 21:44.56 | Eulex | mike-e, you could try acpi -V to check it in a console |
| 21:45.03 | abrotman | mike-e: gkrellm or gdesklets .. dunno if gdesklets work on xfce though |
| 21:45.15 | orchid | yeah they do |
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| 21:45.16 | valdyn | i think xfce has a temperature applet too |
| 21:45.33 | Eulex | mike-e, there's no panel applet. |
| 21:45.55 | orchid | mike-e: xfce4-sensors-plugin |
| 21:46.44 | Eulex | orchid, oh, that thing. never got it working, will try again... |
| 21:46.57 | ribnitz | orchid: does that also work with stationary pcs? |
| 21:47.15 | valdyn | ribnitz: what does that have to do with 'stationary' ? |
| 21:47.19 | mike-e | installing gkrellm . |
| 21:47.32 | orchid | ribnitz: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 21:47.51 | Eulex | mike-e, you could do a quick acpi -V to check that your mobo supports it... |
| 21:48.10 | valdyn | lm-sensors probably has nothing to do with acpi |
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| 21:48.55 | orchid | you need 12c enabled in the kernel do you not? |
| 21:49.02 | orchid | i2c |
| 21:49.03 | mike-e | command not found |
| 21:49.03 | valdyn | no |
| 21:49.21 | ribnitz | I mean, a non-battery powered non-laptop |
| 21:49.27 | magenie | hey... /help list |
| 21:50.07 | valdyn | ribnitz: termperature sensors' existance and lm-sensors supporting yours has nothing to do with your pc being stationary |
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| 21:52.00 | tictac | perhaps an nfs shared volume for dvdripping isnt the best idea. im topping out at 4 mb/s, which will cause the process to slow down very dramatically. |
| 21:52.18 | Caelum | there's an acpi thermal module, but many machines don't have an implementation, but do have thermal sensors on the smbus |
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| 21:52.36 | valdyn | mike-e: run sensors-detect, run 'sensors', if it displays satisfying info, use gkrellm or whatever |
| 21:52.53 | valdyn | mike-e: oh and dont do this on thinkpads |
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| 21:53.30 | mike-e | not found |
| 21:53.36 | mike-e | this is a pc |
| 21:53.36 | valdyn | !installit |
| 21:53.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 21:53.38 | mike-e | not a laptop |
| 21:53.42 | valdyn | !tell mike-e -about search |
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| 21:55.30 | valdyn | tictac: if your network is _that_ slow, that is defenitely not a fault of nfs, ( though nfs has bugs as anything ) |
| 21:55.54 | amilcarv | is there a good tutorial to built a debian mail server similar to microsoft exchange? |
| 21:56.05 | pipeline | amilcarv: There is no mail server similar to exchange. |
| 21:56.05 | tictac | umm. well 100BaseT has a cap at 12.5mb/s. |
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| 21:56.20 | zasz | yea the "exchange killers" for linux aren't quite there yet |
| 21:56.27 | valdyn | amilcarv: 'similar' ? |
| 21:56.36 | amilcarv | not even close to it? |
| 21:56.46 | amilcarv | pop3+webmail |
| 21:57.03 | zasz | if that is all you need then yes you can do that.... |
| 21:57.04 | SimonRaven | bah, that's not the only bit to exchange |
| 21:57.12 | Caelum | amilcarv: imap is better |
| 21:57.14 | valdyn | amilcarv: that's the domain of unix really, but not 'similar' bad as exchange ;) |
| 21:57.14 | zasz | that is a fraction of exchange... |
| 21:57.17 | amilcarv | yeah I know |
| 21:57.19 | SimonRaven | easily do that |
| 21:57.22 | zasz | exchange = groupware |
| 21:57.30 | zasz | gorupware > pop3+imap+webmail |
| 21:57.32 | amilcarv | calendar, public folders and so on |
| 21:57.44 | amilcarv | and i know quite a bit of exchange |
| 21:57.50 | SimonRaven | their own 'ldap', 'kerberos', and other stuff |
| 21:57.59 | zasz | why would you say exchange then :/ |
| 21:58.03 | amilcarv | but i think with pop3 + webmail would be enought for my team |
| 21:58.11 | amilcarv | just checking :) |
| 21:58.11 | Caelum | you can do that with public imap folders, there are lots of good webmail apps, there's openldap... |
| 21:58.16 | SimonRaven | because s/he's clueless |
| 21:58.19 | zasz | use imap, pop will download to the mail client |
| 21:58.22 | amilcarv | i heard there is some suse groupwre close to it |
| 21:58.50 | amilcarv | ok, I will have a look at that |
| 21:58.52 | valdyn | amilcarv: dont try to be 'similar to exchange' if you just need pop3+webmail |
| 21:59.42 | amilcarv | valdyn, because I were using exchange before, i was trying to use something close to it, so people dont notice much |
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| 22:00.05 | Caelum | amilcarv: if you have to support outlook, you can do alot of stuff with imap folders and outlook can post calendars on a network folder and stuff |
| 22:00.06 | amilcarv | if there is no such thing in linux yet, I will try to use what you guys said |
| 22:01.00 | ribnitz | amilcarv: If the calendaring isnt really needed, use imap folders. |
| 22:01.02 | SimonRaven | squirrelmail+custom theme, and a decent imapd |
| 22:01.41 | ribnitz | Or horde, but those web interfaces are ill-suited for large volumes |
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| 22:02.06 | KerPlunk | What is the hotkey for a toshiba satelite to get into the bios? |
| 22:02.09 | KerPlunk | anyone know offhand |
| 22:02.11 | SimonRaven | horde is ok on a decent box, ut it has a fair amount of overhead |
| 22:02.12 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: on the bans, I usually leave the wider ones there; the narrower *!*@foo.bar.baz bans get removed. |
| 22:02.16 | SimonRaven | but* |
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| 22:02.31 | ribnitz | KerPlunk: F1, F2, DEL, are the usual candidates. |
| 22:02.37 | SimonRaven | esp/ if you set that on https |
| 22:02.41 | Caelum | squirrelmail works quite well, some ISPs use it for webmail |
| 22:03.00 | abrotman | SimonRaven: horde would probably be faster if you sent images over http :) |
| 22:03.07 | SimonRaven | my old isp used sqwebmail, twig, and squirrelmail |
| 22:03.10 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: that would mean reading 150 of the blasted things. most of them are probably obsolete anyway, applying to people who won't be back |
| 22:03.14 | SimonRaven | abrotman: good point |
| 22:03.24 | asuffield | easier to just whack the whole range and then replace the handful that may be needed |
| 22:03.30 | asuffield | and it's the only way to find out *which* are still needed |
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| 22:04.26 | amilcarv | thanks for the tips |
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| 22:06.41 | Caelum | anyone seen an "illegal module format" error before? does that mean I miscompiled something? |
| 22:07.04 | SimonRaven | wrong gcc version usually |
| 22:07.09 | asuffield | or wrong kernel version |
| 22:07.15 | asuffield | either will do it |
| 22:07.18 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 22:07.19 | Caelum | ahh, thank you |
| 22:09.04 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: heh; no, I have a regex which does all of that for me. |
| 22:10.02 | dondelelcaro | anyway, not a big deal. problem people who come back get whacked. |
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| 22:10.43 | asuffield | quite. and they probably won't - it's not like a nick ban is hard to evade |
| 22:13.36 | lamp_ | why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 adjust the /etc/X11/XF86config |
| 22:14.12 | teknoprep | ? |
| 22:14.20 | teknoprep | why not just adjust it youself? |
| 22:14.23 | teknoprep | its quite easy |
| 22:14.41 | thingfish | lamp_: that usually occurs because you edited XF86Config-4 by hand. |
| 22:14.52 | teknoprep | xf86config |
| 22:14.57 | thingfish | lamp_: or tried some other way of setting up x. |
| 22:14.59 | teknoprep | makes it easy to configure |
| 22:15.00 | zasz | oooh yea dpkg would recognize you edited it, and not touch it |
| 22:15.11 | zasz | dpkg is cool that way |
| 22:15.12 | thingfish | !xmd5 |
| 22:15.13 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 22:15.27 | lamp_ | XF86cofig is also not edited |
| 22:16.15 | lamp_ | oh |
| 22:16.18 | SimonRaven | nothing to do with dpkg |
| 22:16.59 | zasz | oh, what does it have to do with? |
| 22:17.01 | lamp_ | it would be better if dpkg just made a backup file and edit it anyway |
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| 22:17.22 | lamp_ | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > |
| 22:17.27 | stew | ewps, was hotswapping a cable and knocked the power out :( |
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| 22:18.11 | zasz | !hotswap |
| 22:18.23 | zasz | !hotswappingpowercables |
| 22:18.31 | azeem | zasz: please don't abuse the bot |
| 22:18.31 | cse2 | hey everyone. I'm trying to make a pdf of a latex file using pdflatex but the output is aliased and oogly. Is there a package I need to install to make it aliased? |
| 22:18.47 | cse2 | err anti-aliased |
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| 22:19.30 | teknoprep | isn't adobe making acrobat for linux now? |
| 22:19.56 | cse2 | ua |
| 22:19.58 | cse2 | err ya |
| 22:20.01 | ribnitz | teknoprep: not that I know of. |
| 22:20.08 | zasz | not as far as I knew, but that's what www.adobe.com is for |
| 22:20.14 | teknoprep | if not i would use crossoffice to run adobe acrobat |
| 22:20.19 | hans0lo | teknoprep: acrobat reader, yes |
| 22:20.50 | danathan | i'm using openntpd on amd64 under etch, and the adjtime calls keep failing -- even when i manually set it to the right time. my hwclock is way out of sync with my system clock. the system clock loses a couple of hours a day. how do i fix this? |
| 22:20.57 | ribnitz | There's no reason to get adober acrobat for linux, most of it can be done with whats there.. |
| 22:21.08 | teknoprep | ribnitz most |
| 22:21.09 | cse2 | I'm viewing the pdf using adobe acrobat on windows through my webserver so the reader isn't the problem. Is there a fonts package or something like that? |
| 22:21.11 | teknoprep | ribnitz not all |
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| 22:21.38 | zorton | does the /etc/cron.d directory contain scripts that are expected to be installed by the sysadmin? |
| 22:21.40 | ribnitz | teknoprep: no signed/encrypted documents, no forms support. |
| 22:21.45 | gezick | what package has mod_proxy for apache2? |
| 22:21.59 | gezick | is it libapache2-mod-proxy-html ? |
| 22:22.18 | abrotman | gezick: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:22.21 | teknoprep | still the only thing M$ does well is office... same with adobe.. they are the only reason M$ has appeal for desktop os in the business in my opinion |
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| 22:23.04 | teknoprep | if adobe ran on linux as with a perfect replica of M$ office i think linux would take off like crazy in the business environment for desktop os |
| 22:23.16 | gezick | abrotman: dpkg deoesn't want to respond |
| 22:23.26 | teknoprep | i mean what else do ppl do that they can't do in linux besides alot of M$ office crap? |
| 22:23.53 | teknoprep | although Active Directory is one of the best solutions i have ever seen EVER |
| 22:24.00 | teknoprep | and nothing comes close to it |
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| 22:24.34 | teknoprep | is there anything for KDE like a server that can control what ppl can access in KDE? |
| 22:24.37 | teknoprep | from a central point |
| 22:24.48 | teknoprep | sort of like GPO's for KDE? |
| 22:25.04 | grumpydog | teknoprep, what is your problem? |
| 22:25.10 | zasz | yea I run ad at work, it rules |
| 22:25.14 | grumpydog | Seems to me as if you have issues |
| 22:25.31 | teknoprep | grumpydog looking for a centralized place to store user's and permissions |
| 22:25.32 | teknoprep | for linux |
| 22:25.42 | zasz | isn't that ldap? |
| 22:25.43 | teknoprep | that can also restrict access to stuff including the desktop |
| 22:25.47 | teknoprep | sorta |
| 22:25.54 | zasz | teknoprep: non root login? |
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| 22:26.04 | abrotman | !search |
| 22:26.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache ... |
| 22:26.04 | zasz | just guessing, I don't run a nix network |
| 22:26.05 | grumpydog | teknoprep, well public private ssh key wat more do you want?> |
| 22:26.10 | teknoprep | lol |
| 22:26.16 | teknoprep | like active directory foo |
| 22:26.39 | teknoprep | domain's and GPO's centralized group's and users and permissions |
| 22:26.42 | grumpydog | opps I thought I was in ##freebsd |
| 22:26.45 | grumpydog | ok |
| 22:26.48 | grumpydog | debian |
| 22:26.50 | zasz | gpos are really good |
| 22:26.52 | teknoprep | yup |
| 22:26.53 | zasz | :)) |
| 22:27.02 | teknoprep | just a buffed up user manager really tho |
| 22:27.03 | zasz | there is most likely nothin glike that in linux heh |
| 22:27.04 | teknoprep | from NT4 |
| 22:27.37 | zasz | linux admins don't complain about it because likely they don't know about gpos and active directory etc ;p |
| 22:27.39 | teknoprep | i think KDE would be nice if it had a way to set a policy on what can be acessed |
| 22:27.49 | teknoprep | zasz thats there fault |
| 22:27.59 | zasz | or, there is a good way of doing in linux and they are not telling us |
| 22:28.05 | teknoprep | lol |
| 22:28.11 | zasz | possible |
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| 22:28.23 | teknoprep | a policy for KDE would be nice |
| 22:28.39 | rey_ | hmm I think gnome has things like that |
| 22:28.39 | teknoprep | i mean it can be formated in XML why not |
| 22:28.46 | rey_ | well I read about it on a blog once :) |
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| 22:29.05 | teknoprep | saying you can access this or not that |
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| 22:29.20 | zasz | stop complaining, it's free |
| 22:29.22 | zasz | lol |
| 22:29.23 | teknoprep | lol |
| 22:29.32 | teknoprep | well i am thinking about how to put it |
| 22:29.36 | teknoprep | in words |
| 22:29.41 | teknoprep | becuase active directory goes pretty far |
| 22:29.46 | teknoprep | alot of stuff can be done with it |
| 22:29.49 | zasz | investigate it and get back to me |
| 22:30.03 | zasz | I've been an ad admin for about 2 years so yes I know what you're talking about |
| 22:30.18 | zasz | 6/7 mcse exams done... blarg i have to do 70-216 still ;? |
| 22:30.20 | zasz | :/ |
| 22:30.32 | teknoprep | yeah i have my mcse 2000 |
| 22:30.35 | teknoprep | i never renewed it |
| 22:30.37 | zasz | niccce |
| 22:30.42 | zasz | im so lazy :/ |
| 22:30.49 | teknoprep | i have to renew my ccnp soon.. bleh |
| 22:30.51 | zasz | I haven't taken an exam for over a year, and i only have 1 left |
| 22:30.54 | hans0lo | MCSE is for sucks. |
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| 22:31.02 | teknoprep | MCSE is for money |
| 22:31.06 | teknoprep | add that with like a few other certs |
| 22:31.08 | zasz | hah. knew it would come from someone |
| 22:31.09 | teknoprep | you rocking 60k easy |
| 22:31.28 | hans0lo | bah, do linux solutions make 80k |
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| 22:31.31 | teknoprep | i am in the best area for Linux now |
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| 22:31.38 | zasz | teknoprep: i don't bother responding to poeple like that, because they don't know what the 2k exams entail |
| 22:31.43 | The_Ball | for a new software raid5 setup should i use dmraid or mdadm or raidtools? |
| 22:31.50 | teknoprep | no one in nashville knows shit about *nix |
| 22:31.55 | teknoprep | and companies really want it now |
| 22:32.15 | hans0lo | teknoprep: take the market man |
| 22:32.24 | teknoprep | working with alot of headhunters |
| 22:32.29 | teknoprep | takes about 12 contracts so far |
| 22:32.31 | hans0lo | teknoprep: linux is much more fun to work on that windows |
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| 22:32.41 | teknoprep | making between 25 - 60 $ per hour |
| 22:32.56 | teknoprep | depends on the job |
| 22:33.05 | teknoprep | ony Music wanted to go from AIX to Redhat |
| 22:33.15 | teknoprep | i helped them connect there redhat servers to there SAN's |
| 22:33.25 | teknoprep | they had it connected but volumes kept dropping |
| 22:33.30 | hans0lo | teknoprep: if you have a bit of savings, try freelancing. make 75-$95 /hr easy |
| 22:33.41 | teknoprep | i will soon |
| 22:33.49 | teknoprep | hans0lo takes time and money |
| 22:34.06 | teknoprep | hans0lo i was thinking begining next phone book cycle |
| 22:34.13 | teknoprep | hans0lo get my ad out there in the Yellow Pages |
| 22:34.22 | teknoprep | hans0lo get a full page ad |
| 22:34.23 | hans0lo | teknoprep: start making business contacts now. When companies like you they will call you back for everything |
| 22:34.26 | zasz | tekno you suggest i get a ccna after im done mcse |
| 22:34.31 | teknoprep | hans0lo already have em |
| 22:34.34 | zasz | err i guess I should upgrade it to 2k3 |
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| 22:34.40 | teknoprep | zasz of course man |
| 22:34.45 | hans0lo | teknoprep: i just do word of mouth. |
| 22:34.49 | teknoprep | zasz ccna is easy tho.. CCNP is the big one |
| 22:35.02 | teknoprep | zasz everyone i talk to is like.. OH you have your ccnp |
| 22:35.19 | teknoprep | zasz like its godly.. i think certs are shit.. but its the way ppl that don't know computers look at it |
| 22:35.30 | amilcarv | what is better exim4 or sendmail ? :) |
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| 22:35.43 | teknoprep | amilcarv i perfer sendmail |
| 22:35.53 | teknoprep | amilcarv i take exim4 out and put sendmail in every debian install i do |
| 22:36.02 | teknoprep | amilcarv only becuase i started with sendmail and know it in and out |
| 22:36.08 | teknoprep | amilcarv and don't want to learn exim4 |
| 22:36.17 | teknoprep | amilcarv that doesn't say whaats better.... only sayd what i prefer |
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| 22:36.27 | zasz | teknoprep get your ccie |
| 22:36.28 | jshriver | how can I remove something from the lpr queu? |
| 22:36.29 | amilcarv | i c |
| 22:36.31 | zasz | then you'll be hot shit globally |
| 22:36.33 | jshriver | eep.. about to pring over 10k pages |
| 22:36.41 | teknoprep | zasz ? |
| 22:36.49 | zasz | do you... not know what ccie is? |
| 22:36.57 | azeem | jshriver: lprm I think |
| 22:36.59 | teknoprep | zasz lol yeah i don't want it |
| 22:37.01 | zasz | and you're... a ccnp... |
| 22:37.07 | teknoprep | zasz i have never met anyone that required it |
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| 22:37.09 | zasz | ok then why'd you type "zasz ?" |
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| 22:37.13 | azeem | teknoprep: dude |
| 22:37.15 | teknoprep | zasz its a rediculously crazy hard test |
| 22:37.23 | zasz | i know |
| 22:37.26 | rapsys | I am realy sorry, but someone could explain me what mean "a game of darts" ? |
| 22:37.26 | azeem | teknoprep: please stop advocating stuff like sendmail or webmin |
| 22:37.26 | zasz | but you'd be god |
| 22:37.29 | teknoprep | zasz and has no real understanding of practical networking knowlege |
| 22:37.36 | teknoprep | azeem wtf? |
| 22:37.37 | amilcarv | i am an ccna but forgot everything lol |
| 22:37.40 | zasz | lol you advocate sendmail?? |
| 22:37.45 | jshriver | lol thanks, worked |
| 22:37.46 | teknoprep | azeem i perfer sendmail of course |
| 22:37.48 | zasz | postfix m'boy! |
| 22:37.50 | zasz | nOoooo |
| 22:37.52 | azeem | teknoprep: that's your business |
| 22:37.58 | zasz | sendmail = the old and crappy |
| 22:37.58 | teknoprep | azeem he asked |
| 22:38.01 | jshriver | I forgot to sort | uniq it.. what should have been 20 or so pages would have been over 10k |
| 22:38.01 | zasz | :(( |
| 22:38.02 | jshriver | thanks |
| 22:38.08 | zasz | sendmail = not as secure as postfix |
| 22:38.09 | teknoprep | zasz i like postfix also... very similar to sendmail |
| 22:38.12 | azeem | teknoprep: you shouldn't tell everybody in here to install it, unless you want to support them |
| 22:38.15 | zasz | postfix is faster! |
| 22:38.20 | zasz | and easy to setup+manage! |
| 22:38.22 | teknoprep | azeem hmm hmm.. read what i said |
| 22:38.26 | zasz | you are insane if you prefer sendmail! |
| 22:38.32 | zasz | burn your certifications, I'm going home. |
| 22:38.47 | dondelelcaro | !maint spamass-milter |
| 22:38.47 | teknoprep | azeem i only told him what i do.. and at the end.. told him that was just what I prefer.. not saying one is better then the other |
| 22:38.51 | azeem | jbailey does as well |
| 22:38.52 | teknoprep | <teknoprep> amilcarv that doesn't say whaats better.... only sayd what i prefer |
| 22:38.53 | amilcarv | lol |
| 22:39.00 | amilcarv | true |
| 22:39.01 | zasz | !sendmail |
| 22:39.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, sendmail is ask me to start an mta war. |
| 22:39.01 | dpkg | spamass-milter: Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> |
| 22:39.02 | dondelelcaro | the above is probably one of the reasons why... |
| 22:39.09 | zasz | lmao |
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| 22:39.55 | teknoprep | zasz sendmail is the most uses mail program in the world |
| 22:39.59 | teknoprep | zasz end of story |
| 22:40.22 | jshriver | sendmail is a pain in the butt.. remember trying to use it back in the 90's |
| 22:40.25 | dondelelcaro | sendmail has it's uses, but if you don't know m4 or know exactly why you're using sendmail, you're probably better off using something else. |
| 22:40.28 | jshriver | didn't exim replace it? |
| 22:40.41 | zasz | i think exim, postfix, and qmail replaced it |
| 22:40.47 | amilcarv | I did not want to start a discussion guys |
| 22:40.54 | teknoprep | lol |
| 22:40.56 | zasz | oh you started it |
| 22:41.02 | zasz | now it's going to go on for 3 hours :/ |
| 22:41.11 | azeem | amilcarv: what is better, foo or bar ALWAYS starts discussions |
| 22:41.12 | teknoprep | amilcarv you asked a hard question.. honestly there is no better... they all have there advantages |
| 22:41.21 | zasz | lies |
| 22:41.23 | zasz | lies! |
| 22:41.40 | jshriver | whomever said it, I wish you the best of luck though... as long as it works :) sendmai has been around the longest I think... so once it works, ir works and is secure. |
| 22:41.42 | teknoprep | amilcarv now i use Postfix with Dspam and Spamassassin |
| 22:41.45 | theD3viL | when is save to upgrade to etch ? When i have all installed .. or when is installed only base system? Couse i upgraded when i was have base system and all crashed when i reboot..so i must format...now have runing sarge @ kde...and iam asking if it is save to upgrade to etch ? |
| 22:42.26 | Zugschlus | theD3viL: upgrading to etch will be safe when it's released |
| 22:42.33 | Zugschlus | which will happen in late 2006 at the earliest |
| 22:42.35 | amilcarv | :) |
| 22:42.39 | zasz | lol |
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| 22:42.43 | zasz | arggg late 2006 |
| 22:42.46 | teknoprep | wtf is etch |
| 22:42.48 | teknoprep | lots of ppl talking about it |
| 22:42.50 | zasz | ohh those debian release cycles! |
| 22:42.55 | zasz | !etch |
| 22:42.56 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 22:43.10 | amilcarv | wtf |
| 22:43.18 | Eulex | theD3viL, I think I heard that kde is a little b0rked in etch right now |
| 22:43.20 | amilcarv | who decide to use that name :) |
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| 22:43.35 | theD3viL | Zugschlus, i know but in sarge is all a little bit old :S |
| 22:43.36 | teknoprep | the "open-source" debian comunity |
| 22:43.45 | zasz | the creator of debian likes to use names of characters from Toy Story |
| 22:44.03 | zasz | woody, potato, sarge, etch, sid... see a pattern yet |
| 22:44.04 | azeem | zasz: not the creator, actually |
| 22:44.05 | Zugschlus | theD3viL: you might want to use Gentoo or Ubuntu. |
| 22:44.06 | theD3viL | Eulex, aha..k tnx for info |
| 22:44.14 | zasz | oh azeem, who? |
| 22:44.19 | zasz | I thought it was Ian |
| 22:44.21 | theD3viL | Zugschlus, no...i tried both ... |
| 22:44.22 | theD3viL | ;) |
| 22:44.25 | teknoprep | Ubuntu is very unstable |
| 22:44.32 | zasz | the ian part of debian |
| 22:44.32 | azeem | zasz: no, it Bruce Perens |
| 22:44.32 | teknoprep | whoever is packaging that sucks |
| 22:44.38 | amilcarv | for desktop use |
| 22:44.40 | azeem | he worked at Pixar at that time |
| 22:44.41 | amilcarv | i use gentoo |
| 22:44.48 | zasz | k, I will have to remember that |
| 22:44.49 | theD3viL | Zugschlus, i can have old packages...but didnt know that etch is so unstable |
| 22:44.50 | azeem | eh, s/it/it was/ |
| 22:45.01 | amilcarv | not at the moment doh |
| 22:45.14 | teknoprep | just use redhat |
| 22:45.17 | teknoprep | get it over with LOL |
| 22:45.22 | Zugschlus | theD3viL: etch is an unreleased development distribution, called "testing". It doesn't say "end-user ready", and it doesn't say "useabl" |
| 22:45.23 | zasz | they are commercial |
| 22:45.26 | Zugschlus | +e |
| 22:45.27 | zasz | never |
| 22:45.34 | teknoprep | eah redhat sucks lol |
| 22:45.57 | amilcarv | cmon, when it comes to desktop use, gentoo is the best one |
| 22:46.02 | amilcarv | faster |
| 22:46.15 | teknoprep | it is? |
| 22:46.24 | azeem | dudes, this chan is not about distribution comparisons |
| 22:46.32 | amilcarv | yeah sure |
| 22:46.33 | zasz | debian on the desktop seems pretty fast to me |
| 22:46.45 | zasz | nice n' responsive |
| 22:46.46 | repp | yeah, I have better things to do with my time than wait for packages to compile and argue about best distribution ;) |
| 22:46.51 | teknoprep | zasz debian owns... get a system up and running extremly fast |
| 22:46.52 | Eulex | !greenhouse |
| 22:46.53 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 22:47.01 | amilcarv | lol repp |
| 22:47.17 | theD3viL | Zugschlus, hm..and what when will be relased...will be there any depencies problem? Couse sarge have kde 3.3.2 and when etch will be relesaed will be hm..kde 5? ... so...and other packages will be removed at all or will be new... |
| 22:47.23 | repp | Because, we all know, that SCO Unix is the one true unix. |
| 22:47.27 | amilcarv | thats true, takes 2 days to have the sytem going :) |
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| 22:47.42 | Zugschlus | !testing |
| 22:47.43 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 22:47.54 | teknoprep | amilcarv gentoo system up and running with KDE in under 8 hours easy |
| 22:48.07 | teknoprep | and if i do just kde-base... probebly 2 hours |
| 22:48.13 | zasz | under 8 hours... lol |
| 22:48.20 | zasz | that's... scary |
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| 22:48.29 | teknoprep | zasz compiling everything for source |
| 22:48.30 | silvinho | 8 hours ahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah |
| 22:48.33 | teknoprep | lol thats insane fast |
| 22:48.37 | zasz | lol |
| 22:48.40 | zasz | yea "fast" |
| 22:48.40 | amilcarv | yeah, its true |
| 22:48.49 | amilcarv | depending of the computer |
| 22:48.50 | silvinho | and what's the point ? |
| 22:48.55 | teknoprep | dunno if there is one |
| 22:48.58 | Eulex | theD3viL, We Don't Know (tm) -- the version that will be in etch when it's released will be the one that's in etch at that time |
| 22:48.59 | teknoprep | does there have to be one? |
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| 22:49.03 | zasz | silvinho it's because gentoo is "leet" |
| 22:49.08 | zasz | or "l33t" |
| 22:49.08 | silvinho | zasz: right |
| 22:49.11 | teknoprep | why is it there always has to be a point on a discussion you don't like? |
| 22:49.16 | teknoprep | can't we just babble |
| 22:49.23 | Eulex | theD3viL, make that when etch becomes frozen |
| 22:49.26 | zasz | absolutely not! |
| 22:49.28 | silvinho | heh sorry babling is illegal |
| 22:49.43 | Zugschlus | gentoo is the manifestation of unreproducibility |
| 22:49.45 | zasz | anyway i have to go to the store and get some ram bbl |
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| 22:50.38 | theD3viL | Eulex, i know...iam just asking couse i dont know how is APT with depencies |
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| 22:51.43 | dondelelcaro | theD3viL: apt doesn't have a problem with dependencies. We track things like that so that etch will be installable when it releeases. |
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| 22:51.56 | BelfordCarioca | oi |
| 22:52.02 | dondelelcaro | theD3viL: indeed, in an ideal world, testing should also always be installable (although, parts of it will be removed if there are conflicts) |
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| 22:52.17 | Eulex | theD3viL, apt is the best package manager ever made. it handles dependencies very well. however, even it will not handle situations when dependencies are broken. and I think there are some of those in etch. |
| 22:52.45 | Zugschlus | and things like that are bound to happen in the release cycle. |
| 22:53.03 | Zugschlus | Who uses unreleased development distributions should be able to help himself should breakage occur |
| 22:53.38 | BelfordCarioca | algum brasileiro nesta sala ? |
| 22:53.45 | Zugschlus | !portugues |
| 22:53.50 | Zugschlus | hmmm |
| 22:53.51 | Eulex | !br |
| 22:53.51 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:54.13 | BelfordCarioca | obrigado pela informaįão |
| 22:54.34 | theD3viL | hm...so APT in debian is different like APT in ubuntu? Couse in ubuntu (before i used ubuntu some time), you have to remove, install again, and so on some packages, and then you can dist-upgrade ! |
| 22:55.02 | abrotman | !br |
| 22:55.02 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:55.08 | abrotman | doh |
| 22:55.20 | Zugschlus | theD3viL: you can do so with testing and stable in your sources.lists, but that might cause you to downgrade some packages, which is not suppported by the packages |
| 22:55.25 | jjazz | abrotman, he was just saying thanks |
| 22:55.36 | Zugschlus | theD3viL: so, going that way might cause breakage as well |
| 22:55.41 | abrotman | hey .. i only speak 5 languages damn it! |
| 22:55.48 | Zugschlus | theD3viL: if you want a stable system that doesn't break spontaneously, use stable. |
| 22:55.54 | abrotman | well . not really 5 |
| 22:56.02 | Zugschlus | (all of them in English) |
| 22:56.26 | Eulex | theD3viL, well, that happens very seldom in etch at least. may happen in unstable. |
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| 22:56.39 | Zugschlus | and doesn't happen in stable# |
| 22:56.44 | Eulex | at all |
| 22:56.45 | theD3viL | Zugschlus, yes, i will have stable...iam asking about upgrade when etch will be stable |
| 22:56.55 | Zugschlus | theD3viL: that is going to work. |
| 22:57.00 | theD3viL | nice. |
| 22:57.02 | Zugschlus | a package that doesn't upgrade is buggy |
| 22:57.13 | Zugschlus | upgrading from oldstable to stable is supported |
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| 22:57.33 | theD3viL | thats nice...couse in ubuntu (debian based) isnt |
| 22:57.43 | Zugschlus | if you upgrade to or from an unreleased developer release and it breaks, all that is guaranteed is that you get to keep the pieces |
| 22:58.01 | Eulex | theD3viL, eww |
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| 22:58.16 | azeem | theD3viL: what isn't? |
| 22:58.31 | bucky | theD3viL, is there a ubuntu that's not (debian based).. btw which are you using? |
| 22:58.31 | jjazz | theD3viL, you can upgrade from version to version in Ubuntu |
| 22:59.11 | abrotman | #ubuntu ? |
| 22:59.38 | theD3viL | eh...when you want to upgrade to breezy you must remove firefox and xpdf and drivers maybe ...thats why iam asking if it in debian supported just apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:59.43 | theD3viL | abrotman, iam using debian |
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| 23:00.06 | Estes2 | Hey everyone, i got a problem since i switched to etch on thios station, first, for some reason apt-get dist-upgradeinstalled KDE (!!!???!!!?) ans removed alsa stuff and oss compatibility which i reinstalled apparently successfully. but i have no sound, i even tried a good old "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" as root but nothing gets out, The speakers are well plugged and alsamixer got everything high and i still have nothing :( A |
| 23:00.06 | Estes2 | nyone please ? |
| 23:00.07 | jjazz | theD3viL, you're wrong about Ubuntu |
| 23:01.14 | theD3viL | jjazz, why ? |
| 23:01.29 | Eulex | Estes, you've got a sound daemon running? |
| 23:01.47 | jjazz | theD3viL, you can apt-get dist-upgrade Ubuntu w/o removing firefox, xpdf, etc. |
| 23:02.23 | Estes2 | Eulex, which one ? |
| 23:02.29 | theD3viL | jjazz, dunno ... i read on the page...eh...whatever...in debian works everyting so .. ;) |
| 23:03.01 | Eulex | Estes2, well, artsd is kde's. |
| 23:03.12 | abrotman | Estes2: KDE is affected by the C++ changes/updates |
| 23:03.40 | Estes2 | No, i run gnome |
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| 23:05.25 | Estes2 | humm |
| 23:05.33 | becks` | i'm trying to patch a kernel running in vmware.. the install script asks for the source of my kernel. after typing it in, i get "The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.9-20050405) does not math your running kernel (version 2.6.9-20050607) - how can i change the kernel files to the version currently running? (its not in the makefile.. is there a version info somewhere in the include folder?) |
| 23:05.38 | Estes2 | i did a /etc/init.d/alsa reload just to check |
| 23:05.41 | Estes2 | and still nothing |
| 23:05.46 | Estes2 | /dev/dsp is present |
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| 23:05.58 | Estes2 | (i know dsp is oss...) |
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| 23:06.35 | pipeline | becks`: Well, perhaps you should ask why your headers version doesn't match |
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| 23:07.16 | becks` | pipeline thats not so important, the files should be the same |
| 23:08.13 | devicenull | is it possible to just compile a kernel module without recompiling the kernel? |
| 23:08.32 | _rodrigo_ | Hi! Please help me! It's have been hours to solve it but nothing! NIS and NFS worked fine, the problem is that I try to access a mounted directoy which is not my "main" group and denies access |
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| 23:09.01 | lamp_ | /etc/X11/X is not executable this is what i get when i try to startx |
| 23:09.08 | pipeline | devicenull: Yeah. |
| 23:09.19 | pipeline | devicenull: That's what the huge kernel header packages are for |
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| 23:09.31 | pipeline | devicenull: They give you a partial object tree, enough to build modules against the running kernel |
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| 23:10.07 | devicenull | can I get a list of currently compiled kernel modules? |
| 23:10.16 | devicenull | where would I find that pipeline? |
| 23:10.19 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: clarify? |
| 23:10.26 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: concrete example would help |
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| 23:11.00 | pipeline | devicenull: if you're on sarge, search for "kernel-headers" and install the one that corresponds to your kernel. If you're on sid, it'll be "linux-headers" |
| 23:11.11 | _rodrigo_ | thanks! I mount a directory, supose /home/joe which is owned by joe:doe |
| 23:11.21 | devicenull | I think they are already there under /usr/include/linux |
| 23:11.35 | pipeline | devicenull: It's a package. Either you have it installed, or you don't. |
| 23:11.51 | pipeline | devicenull: If you compiled your own kernel or some such fool thing, all bets are off. :P |
| 23:11.54 | _rodrigo_ | and I try to acces its home (which has drwxrwx---) because I am a member of group doe |
| 23:12.22 | _rodrigo_ | but my main group, is "potatoe" |
| 23:12.35 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: what's the output of "id"? |
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| 23:12.56 | _rodrigo_ | and it says access denied |
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| 23:13.15 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: when i say example i really meant your example, because it's your current situation that doesn't work. the *generic* case which you list does work :-p |
| 23:13.16 | _rodrigo_ | ls -n shows that ids and gids match |
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| 23:13.37 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: so don't bother with the generic example :-) show me output of "id" |
| 23:14.11 | _rodrigo_ | you mean the ls output? |
| 23:14.21 | eeyore- | bolrod: no, id. i d ... |
| 23:14.47 | _rodrigo_ | uid=1300(rodrigo) gid=1300(nodo) grupos=21(fax),22(voice),24(cdrom),26(tape),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),39(irc),44(video),46(plugdev),60(games),105(camera),106(scanner),110(dirmngr),1111(usuario),1300(nodo),2301(secretaria),2302(finanzas),2304(juridica),2305(asocial),2401(sgeneral),2402(sfinanzas),2403(presidencia),2404(asgremial),2405(prensa),2406(propaganda),2501(electoral),2502(fiscal),2502(fiscal),2503(vivienda),2504( |
| 23:14.47 | _rodrigo_ | biblioteca),2525(usuarios) |
| 23:14.48 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: ^ that was for you ('id') |
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| 23:15.08 | devicenull | Okay, something weird is going on... I'm trying to install this package: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/rt2500-source |
| 23:15.09 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: so where's this "doe" group you're supposed to be a member of? |
| 23:15.25 | devicenull | with... this command: apt-get -t unstable install rt2500-source |
| 23:15.31 | devicenull | but it keeps saying not found |
| 23:15.35 | _rodrigo_ | sophacles, I am a member of 2301 (Secretaria) |
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| 23:16.08 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: how many groups are you a member of? |
| 23:16.15 | abrotman | 2434! |
| 23:16.23 | blondie | the end of time |
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| 23:16.26 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:16.50 | _rodrigo_ | eeyore-, all which are grater than 1000 |
| 23:17.13 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: you might very well be running into 16-group NFS limit |
| 23:17.15 | _rodrigo_ | it happens with all users |
| 23:17.26 | _rodrigo_ | ?? |
| 23:17.30 | devicenull | so no one knows why I cant get that package? |
| 23:17.31 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: because as far as i can count, your group 2301 is group number 17th |
| 23:17.43 | fbi | i should quit smoking weed, i just typed /server chat.debian.org like 16 times wondering why the hell i can't connect |
| 23:17.54 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:18.01 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: 18th actually |
| 23:18.05 | thingfish | I do stuff like that too, it's awful. |
| 23:18.32 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: try NFSv4 |
| 23:18.33 | _rodrigo_ | should I quit groups and should be ok? |
| 23:19.04 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: try NFSv4 |
| 23:19.14 | _rodrigo_ | and how do I upgrade? |
| 23:19.23 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: what kernel are you running? |
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| 23:19.33 | _rodrigo_ | 2.6.9 |
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| 23:19.50 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: besides, it takes two to tango. the NFS server also has to be allowing NFSv4. details please. YOUR details please, not the generic-case one again :-) |
| 23:20.07 | _rodrigo_ | I think I have enabled nfs4 support |
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| 23:20.22 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: rpcinfo -p <server-name> |
| 23:20.22 | xtheblack9x | does anyone program here? |
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| 23:20.54 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 23:20.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:21.04 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: rpcinfo -p <server-name> | egrep "4.*nlockmgr" |
| 23:21.07 | Eulex | xtheblack9x, of course |
| 23:21.15 | _rodrigo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.15 | _rodrigo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.15 | _rodrigo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.15 | _rodrigo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.15 | _rodrigo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:21.31 | beardy | xtheblack9x: Your question is probably better suited for #<yourprogramminglanguage> |
| 23:21.47 | xtheblack9x | I want to start learning how to make programs for linux. all iknow how to do is flash action scripting |
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| 23:22.08 | xtheblack9x | thats the thing i don't know what programing language i want to learn |
| 23:22.15 | _rodrigo_ | oops, sorry |
| 23:22.25 | brox | apt-cache search nvidia does not give me nvidia-glx or nvidia-kernel-source only http://pastebin.com/467233 -- whats going on? |
| 23:22.39 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: Well, how serious are you about it? |
| 23:22.43 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: in that case, when you mount, use "nfsvers=4" to force nfsv4 |
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| 23:23.08 | _rodrigo_ | eeyore-, in the automount map? |
| 23:23.11 | xtheblack9x | pipeline pretty serious actoully i want to dable in it now and then im going to go to school for programing i think in may |
| 23:23.22 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: If you really want to understand the art and science of programming, I suggest you start with the structure and interpretation of computer programs |
| 23:23.25 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ |
| 23:23.25 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: nfsvers= is a mount option, so use it where appropriate :-) |
| 23:23.29 | xtheblack9x | i have already made a few flash games but nothing to crazy |
| 23:23.37 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: It's by MIT press, it's what they use for their intro to programming course, and it's totally free :) |
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| 23:23.59 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: There's also an accompanying series of lectures by the authors, which are also freely available http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ |
| 23:24.37 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: Scheme isn't exactly the most useful language on earth, but it doesn't really matter. SICP will teach you how to program. You'll be vastly better at any language you attempt. |
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| 23:25.32 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: The programming-language-in-a-box that SICP refers to is available on debian -- the "drscheme" package. |
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| 23:25.57 | xtheblack9x | pipeline thanks you very much :) |
| 23:26.07 | xtheblack9x | pipeline can i use it on other distro's? |
| 23:26.25 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: drscheme? Yeah, it's available on all sorts of platforms. And the book / videos are standard formats. |
| 23:26.27 | xtheblack9x | because i think i have 3 diffrent distro's almost one per computer i have ha ha ha |
| 23:26.32 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: I think drscheme is even on macos and windows |
| 23:26.48 | xtheblack9x | oh nice |
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| 23:27.10 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: drscheme is a beginner's thing -- there are better scheme implementations, and tons of other languages that are worth knowing. But there's no better way to learn than SICP |
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| 23:27.23 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: I'd like to have had access to such a great text when I was learning to program ;-; |
| 23:27.45 | eeyore- | pipeline: any of knuth's volume is good :-) |
| 23:27.47 | xtheblack9x | when did you start learning? |
| 23:27.51 | abrotman | pipeline: you just stick to your RPG manuals .. mmkay? :) |
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| 23:27.57 | eeyore- | pipeline: esp. the ones on literate programming |
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| 23:28.30 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: dj delorie's gcc port on DOS. Not a cool way to learn. :( |
| 23:28.37 | pipeline | eeyore-: Eww, MIX :P |
| 23:29.19 | eeyore- | commodore pet ... and basic :-p |
| 23:29.30 | pipeline | heh |
| 23:29.32 | devicenull | how can I tell what kernel-headers package I need..? |
| 23:29.36 | pipeline | I did learn trash-80 BASIC |
| 23:29.37 | eeyore- | we're talking ... what ... 80x40 green screen or something |
| 23:29.42 | pipeline | but not at the time that the TRS-80 was current |
| 23:29.43 | skript | now that's a good way to learn coding ;) |
| 23:29.46 | devicenull | its kernel 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:29.57 | xtheblack9x | pipeline thanks for the point in the right direction ha ha ha i had no clue where to start |
| 23:30.00 | pipeline | My first programming language was TRS-80 BASIC, but this was in like, 1990. That was horrible :( |
| 23:30.07 | Eulex | devicenull, then install the kernel headers for that kernel |
| 23:30.17 | [tomj] | mine was turbo basic, horrible aswell |
| 23:30.19 | beardy | devicenull: You need the one corresponding to the kernel you are running. That means, the one with the same version. |
| 23:30.27 | xtheblack9x | pipeline wow |
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| 23:31.03 | pipeline | There was nothing worthwhile to be learned from a TRS-80 in the 1990s. The world had passed it by, so it doesn't count as "learning programming" |
| 23:31.31 | devicenull | soo.. I would need kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:31.41 | xtheblack9x | pipeline what does MIT stand for? |
| 23:31.47 | beardy | devicenull: Yes. |
| 23:32.06 | devicenull | well |
| 23:32.14 | devicenull | its weird, because I go to install that |
| 23:32.26 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: Massachussetts Institute of Technology... |
| 23:32.29 | devicenull | and it knows what it needs to install, but says the dependenices arent going to be installed |
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| 23:32.45 | pipeline | xtheblack9x: You know, one of the world's best universities, quite possibly THE finest CS school in the world? :P |
| 23:32.49 | beardy | !factinfo mit |
| 23:32.49 | dpkg | mit -- created by tomc <lambda@modem-3692.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk> at Sun Jan 20 02:57:49 2002 (1426 days); last modified at Sun Jan 20 02:59:14 2002 by tomc!lambda@modem-3692.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk; it has been requested 21 times, last by jlj_ at Mon Jun 20 00:16:25 2005. |
| 23:32.56 | Eulex | devicenull, umh, what does it say exactly? /msg dpkg paster, btw |
| 23:33.06 | beardy | !mit |
| 23:33.06 | dpkg | hmm... mit is mitt mitt. MIT, or a technical university in Boston, US, North America. |
| 23:33.09 | devicenull | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386: Depends: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:33.18 | devicenull | its one line, I dont feel a need to use a pastebot :) |
| 23:33.42 | devicenull | ohhh |
| 23:33.44 | Eulex | devicenull, true |
| 23:34.02 | devicenull | it looks like I scrwed something up: I've got a package watiing on dependcies it looks like |
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| 23:34.10 | devicenull | can I remove it? |
| 23:34.23 | Dwonis | tictac: are you still looking for a way to rip a DVD over the network? |
| 23:34.26 | devicenull | yea |
| 23:34.29 | tarzeau | say i have a webcam photo that looks like two half pictures, can i sharpend that how with gimp? |
| 23:34.31 | devicenull | okay, thanks :) |
| 23:34.57 | lamp_ | i can't get x working i keep getting this error /etc/X11/X not executable |
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| 23:35.10 | devicenull | yea, the other package was preventing it from getting dependenices |
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| 23:35.44 | beardy | !install x |
| 23:35.44 | dpkg | install xf4 is, like, apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 23:35.47 | beardy | lamp_: ^^^ |
| 23:36.08 | Eulex | lamp_, does /etc/X11/X exist? |
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| 23:37.11 | lamp_ | Eulex: yes |
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| 23:37.27 | Eulex | lamp_, and it's not executable? |
| 23:37.48 | lamp_ | that is what the pc is telling me |
| 23:37.55 | abrotman | lamp_: do you have x-window-system-core installed ? |
| 23:38.04 | lamp_ | yes |
| 23:38.13 | [tomj] | lamp_: could the problem be that /etc/X11/X is not executable (as in it doesn't have the correct privileges) |
| 23:38.21 | Eulex | lamp_, I was asking you to check yourself |
| 23:38.36 | abrotman | Eulex: too hard! |
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| 23:39.07 | Eulex | abrotman, apparently |
| 23:39.14 | Eulex | lamp_, ls -al /etc/X11/X |
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| 23:39.47 | eeyore- | _rodrigo_: yoohoo? |
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| 23:40.45 | lamp_ | Eulex: i think this is wrong /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/XF86_SVGA |
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| 23:41.06 | Eulex | lamp_, I think so too |
| 23:41.08 | jack_c | hello, can anyone point me to a tool to draw a network schema ? i want a draw where i have pc's sympols , routers and server.. and links between them |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | jack_c: dia |
| 23:41.40 | Durin | jack_c: dia |
| 23:41.43 | lamp_ | Eulex: how can i change it to the richt one |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 23:41.51 | abrotman | fuck .. i never get any beer! |
| 23:42.12 | fbi | abrotman: like you need another beer, look at that belly. |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | fbi: have you seen the umbrella hat ? |
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| 23:42.31 | fbi | eh? |
| 23:42.34 | fbi | fuck is that |
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| 23:42.40 | abrotman | fbi: do you read planet.d.n ? |
| 23:42.47 | fbi | nope |
| 23:42.59 | Eulex | lamp_, (a) reinstall the right package (b) fix it yourself, by relinking it |
| 23:43.13 | abrotman | fbi: google "damog umbrella" |
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| 23:43.38 | abrotman | fbi: append "Philadelphia" |
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| 23:44.01 | mang1 | heloo, I have a backup of all files of my inbox, outbox... from my prevouse install for , now that I configured thunderbird again, i have my mail setup and running. How can I merge the old files and the new once together? |
| 23:44.22 | abrotman | fbi: find it ? |
| 23:44.31 | eeyore- | jack_c: visio |
| 23:44.46 | fbi | abrotman: opera is trying to pull damog's rss? |
| 23:44.53 | fbi | i had to startx for this shit, it better be good |
| 23:44.54 | jack_c | eeyore-: something like that... but that's on windows right ? |
| 23:45.00 | eeyore- | jack_c: yeah :-) |
| 23:45.16 | _Rion | Hi there, did a fresh debian stable install and want to upgrade to unstable. problem is I cant find anywhere what to put in sources.list? =/ |
| 23:45.26 | beardy | abrotman: heh, nice hat |
| 23:45.28 | jjazz | abrotman, is that a picture of you with that umbrella on your head? |
| 23:45.33 | devicenull | is a .o file the same as a .ko? |
| 23:46.21 | lamp_ | Eulex: thx, now i know what the problem is :) |
| 23:46.58 | abrotman | jjazz: :( |
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| 23:47.03 | fbi | what pic |
| 23:47.11 | fbi | i got an *.rss and it won't open |
| 23:47.14 | abrotman | beardy: jjazz: damog had that sent to me .. he lives in .mx .. |
| 23:47.15 | fbi | what url are you guys looking at |
| 23:47.19 | abrotman | fbi: open the damn webpage |
| 23:47.27 | fbi | i did, jackass |
| 23:47.31 | fbi | opera loads a blank page |
| 23:47.34 | abrotman | my opera doesn't try to read the RSS |
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| 23:47.52 | fbi | i'm clicking on damogblog in google's results |
| 23:47.55 | jjazz | fbi, http://damog.nipl.net/images/umbrellabrotman.jpg |
| 23:47.57 | fbi | it's trying to open an rss |
| 23:48.34 | fbi | hahahahaha |
| 23:48.36 | abrotman | oh sure .. show everyone! |
| 23:48.38 | fbi | that hat is pimp |
| 23:49.05 | fbi | i'd get all the bitches if i rocked that at work |
| 23:49.09 | testtesttesting | i'M TRYING TO GET DEBIAN WORKING RIGHT NOW. |
| 23:49.13 | testtesttesting | oops |
| 23:49.21 | testtesttesting | I'm trying to get X working with debian right now sorry |
| 23:49.29 | jjazz | fbi, are these bitches the kind of women that pee on your head? |
| 23:49.39 | beardy | My Opera opens it fine. |
| 23:49.54 | devicenull | question.. I just installed a driver which put a file called rt2500.o in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/extra/ |
| 23:49.56 | fbi | jjazz: usually, if you give them enough free cocktails. |
| 23:50.07 | devicenull | I added it to a config file in /etc/modutils |
| 23:50.12 | devicenull | and ran update-modules |
| 23:50.22 | testtesttesting | I installed xserver-xfree86 but for some reason I can't startx successfully.. I think it's because of my mouse.. |
| 23:50.23 | testtesttesting | It says: |
| 23:50.24 | devicenull | but now when I type modprobe ra0 it says not found |
| 23:50.29 | testtesttesting | "Cannot open device /dev/input/moice" |
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| 23:50.40 | EdibleText | that hat is perfect for golden sports drink showers |
| 23:50.40 | jjazz | testtesttesting, why xfree86? |
| 23:50.42 | dusk | how do I remove items from the gnome menu? |
| 23:50.49 | beardy | testtesttesting: Read that error message until you get it. |
| 23:50.50 | testtesttesting | I'm running stable. |
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| 23:50.54 | azeem | dusk: you cannot for now, I think |
| 23:50.54 | fbi | testtesttesting: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 23:50.58 | testtesttesting | I just don't know how to find out what kinda mouse I have. |
| 23:51.02 | azeem | dusk: hrm |
| 23:51.06 | dusk | azeem: thats not cool |
| 23:51.08 | testtesttesting | I can change my xconfig file once I know. |
| 23:51.11 | azeem | dusk: or maybe you can, but there is no GUI yet |
| 23:51.14 | jjazz | testtesttesting, that's a good reason :) |
| 23:51.14 | testtesttesting | Can you tell me how to figure out what kind I have? |
| 23:51.17 | azeem | 2.12 will feature one, AFAIK |
| 23:51.29 | dusk | azeem: I dont care if there is no gui |
| 23:51.36 | dusk | azeem: i know there has to be a way somehow |
| 23:51.53 | beardy | testtesttesting: Oh, you didn't paste the error message, you typed it? |
| 23:51.58 | jjazz | testtesttesting, I do not remember. I think I used to just try all the options, from ps/2 on up |
| 23:52.03 | testtesttesting | ya.. |
| 23:52.15 | testtesttesting | I'm using a usb mouse, but it has a ps2 adapter on it. |
| 23:52.18 | testtesttesting | ANd it's in the ps2 port. |
| 23:52.28 | beardy | testtesttesting: Well, do you have an USB mouse or a ps/2 mouse, or a serial mouse? |
| 23:52.33 | testtesttesting | ps2 |
| 23:52.39 | shogunx | tha would be /dev/psaux that you need, testtesttesting |
| 23:52.41 | azeem | dusk: yeah I think there might be, but I don't bother, so better google or so |
| 23:52.49 | shogunx | in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:52.53 | jjazz | shogunx, yes, that's what it was /dev/psaux... |
| 23:52.54 | devicenull | do I have to reboot after editing modules.conf |
| 23:53.02 | azeem | devicenull: no |
| 23:53.11 | dusk | azeem: alright |
| 23:53.11 | devicenull | .. |
| 23:53.13 | beardy | testtesttesting: Yes, as said, /dev/psaux, if they haven't changed it.. |
| 23:53.16 | devicenull | where do kernel modules go? |
| 23:53.27 | abrotman | depends on the module |
| 23:53.27 | azeem | devicenull: did you use module-assisstant? |
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| 23:53.41 | devicenull | I used module-update to install it to modules.conf |
| 23:53.57 | pbryan | I like modules.conf. |
| 23:53.59 | shogunx | beardy: there is that too... new kernel change the device file? |
| 23:54.03 | azeem | devicenull: I mean in order to build it |
| 23:54.13 | devicenull | no. |
| 23:54.16 | devicenull | should I have? |
| 23:54.34 | azeem | well, maybe you did something wrong, dunno |
| 23:54.38 | kingsley | azeem: I like how you gracefully help so many people. You're a big asset to the debian community. |
| 23:54.50 | devicenull | well |
| 23:54.55 | devicenull | I'll get it and try it |
| 23:55.18 | azeem | devicenull: well, I don't bulid kernel modules myself, but module-assistant is the Debian way to do it |
| 23:55.25 | azeem | but I think it needs a kernel-patch package for that |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | !afo |
| 23:55.28 | dpkg | asg for ops! |
| 23:55.31 | abrotman | doh |
| 23:55.32 | devicenull | yea uh |
| 23:55.34 | devicenull | minor problem |
| 23:55.38 | devicenull | the module I need isnt listed |
| 23:55.46 | beardy | shogunx: No. Not the kernel, I just thought that perhaps udev or something similar might, but probably not. |
| 23:56.09 | azeem | kingsley: others do more than me |
| 23:56.12 | azeem | but thanks |
| 23:56.12 | mang1 | dusk:I think you can do it with using GConf |
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| 23:56.31 | shogunx | there is an option in 2.6.14.something... that had "enable legacy /dev/psaux" interface |
| 23:56.40 | kingsley | azeem: But are they as graceful? |
| 23:56.50 | abrotman | azeem: you're so graceful .. do you always wear the tutu in the channel ? |
| 23:56.58 | bsdboy | Zomg! Like, tutu. |
| 23:57.06 | dusk | mang1: err how |
| 23:57.08 | kingsley | azeem: I'm not so sure. |
| 23:57.54 | diana | If I have wireless and wired...can I connect to both of them at the same time? |
| 23:58.06 | diana | So say my irssi window is on wired...but I browse the web on wireless. |
| 23:58.29 | azeem | diana: one of them has to be the default gateway, I suppose |
| 23:58.35 | abrotman | diana: you could .. if you really mucked with routes and gateways |
| 23:58.38 | azeem | diana: so you could perhaps set a route to your IRC server |
| 23:58.39 | devicenull | azeem, can I use it to configure a module that isnt listed with it already? |
| 23:58.41 | azeem | for one of them |
| 23:58.54 | azeem | devicenull: sorry, I don't know |
| 23:58.59 | azeem | !m-a |
| 23:58.59 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 23:59.09 | azeem | hrm |
| 23:59.29 | jelly | why is m-a the daddy? |
| 23:59.36 | mang1 | dusk: I never used it , but I read about it not long ago, every thing is on gnome help-Desktop-system administrator guide...you have to do a lot of reading |
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| 23:59.42 | jjazz | module assistant will make ya jump! jump! |
| 23:59.45 | devicenull | Has anyone set up the rt2500 module? I need some help |
