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| 00:00.29 | testtesttesting | To run a window manager, the only package I really need besides the wm is x-window-system-core right? |
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| 00:00.45 | jelly | jjazz: I could infer your minimum age based on that reference. ;-) |
| 00:01.05 | beardy | devicenull: And you have googled? |
| 00:01.16 | shogunx | survey says jellY? |
| 00:01.20 | devicenull | I'm trying module-assistant now |
| 00:01.23 | beardy | devicenull: And http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto didn't help you? |
| 00:01.30 | AlexanRO | what packages do i need to install a working c compiler? |
| 00:01.34 | devicenull | beardy, no |
| 00:01.40 | devicenull | thats thwat I've been following |
| 00:01.45 | jjazz | jelly, ugh... too true. |
| 00:01.49 | devicenull | but when I modprobe rt2500 it says not found |
| 00:01.50 | beardy | devicenull: Ok |
| 00:02.18 | azeem | testtesttesting: yeah, I guess |
| 00:02.27 | azeem | devicenull: did you try insmod? |
| 00:02.29 | blondie | hmm, why does my PC make a faint beeping noise when stuff is writing to the monitor? (not in X) |
| 00:02.30 | paulswm | AlexanRO: gcc |
| 00:02.44 | AlexanRO | ty |
| 00:02.45 | devicenull | ahh there we go |
| 00:02.56 | devicenull | I needed to run update-modules a second time |
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| 00:03.00 | devicenull | dunno why |
| 00:03.01 | beardy | blondie: Old/bad monitor? |
| 00:03.23 | shogunx | blondie: van eck chatter |
| 00:03.41 | jazzmanss | what do I need to do to receive podcasts using xmms or vlc, or any other media player in sarge? |
| 00:03.46 | jjazz | blondie, That's not beeping, it's squeaking. The pixels are carried to the screen by little mice. |
| 00:03.58 | blondie | well yes it is squeaking |
| 00:04.13 | beardy | jazzmanss: What is a "podcast" isn't it just a mp3 or ogg file? |
| 00:04.20 | blondie | actually it's not the monitor that does it, it does it when SSH console is active too :\ |
| 00:04.29 | jjazz | Yes, the mice are worked overly hard. The squeaks are their pleas for leniency. |
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| 00:04.44 | beardy | blondie: Where does the sound come from? |
| 00:04.47 | blondie | shogunx: what's that? |
| 00:04.47 | paulswm | blondie: Attempted alien comms from galaxy M31 (Andromeda) perhaps |
| 00:04.53 | blondie | beardy: don't know |
| 00:04.56 | spundun | hi all... on a debian system.. whats the apache webserver username ? |
| 00:05.08 | jazzmanss | beardy, I thought so to, but when I try to play the news hour, I get plug in not found in xine or totem, xmms just sits there, and vlc just sits there. |
| 00:05.12 | beardy | blondie: But not from the pc-speaker? |
| 00:05.21 | blondie | shogunx: wwwuser |
| 00:05.31 | blondie | beardy: don't know, the machine is too small to tell :| |
| 00:05.39 | shogunx | blondie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_Phreaking |
| 00:05.40 | blondie | it didn't do it when I had freebsd installed earlier ;) |
| 00:05.42 | blondie | just with debian |
| 00:05.57 | beardy | jazzmanss: Look at the filename, the extension. |
| 00:06.04 | blondie | shogunx: oh right, well not that :P |
| 00:06.12 | shogunx | pivotol story point in the crytonomicon also. |
| 00:06.16 | spundun | blondie: i guess that message was for me.. thanks |
| 00:06.23 | blondie | erm yes |
| 00:06.34 | paulswm | I thought FreeBSD used mice, and Debian used hamsters, maybe my info is out of date and debian has switched to the smaller mice for increased throughput |
| 00:06.43 | devicenull | ahhh I got the wrong driver. |
| 00:07.01 | spundun | blondie: umm.. in /etc/passwd there is www-data username but not wwwuser... |
| 00:07.11 | azeem | paulswm: so what does Debian GNU/kFreeBSD use? |
| 00:07.17 | testtesttesting | FreeBSD woo |
| 00:07.17 | testtesttesting | <3 |
| 00:07.23 | blondie | oops |
| 00:07.33 | azeem | they probably have genetic engineers |
| 00:07.34 | blondie | spundun: sorry I looked on the wrong machine |
| 00:07.38 | blondie | www-data then yes :P |
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| 00:07.57 | paulswm | azeem: hybrids perhaps, called mamsters or hice |
| 00:07.57 | sambagirl | hi is anyone using debian-med? |
| 00:07.58 | spundun | blondie: ok.. thanks.. :) just checking.. I have always seen the username to be apache... |
| 00:08.09 | blondie | (wwwuser was from an apache box) |
| 00:08.10 | deadcat | sambagirl: no |
| 00:08.12 | blondie | erm |
| 00:08.13 | blondie | solaris |
| 00:08.13 | blondie | >.< |
| 00:08.33 | dusk | azeem: i found the menu editor for gnome |
| 00:08.37 | dusk | azeem: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/alacarte |
| 00:08.44 | dusk | !gnome menu editor |
| 00:08.46 | beardy | azeem: paulswm: You can use converters too, just let the first one bite onto the tail of the other. |
| 00:09.17 | sambagirl | deadcat is the project terminated or something? this is important. |
| 00:09.35 | deadcat | sambagirl: i dont know. check the website? |
| 00:09.49 | beardy | sambagirl: Ask your queation instead, if someone here uses it, they will asnwer if they want to. |
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| 00:10.25 | dondelelcaro | sambagirl: yes, people are using debian-med. It's just a custom distribution of debian, so there's really not much too it. |
| 00:10.29 | azeem | sambagirl: I don't think many in here use it |
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| 00:10.50 | sambagirl | hold on i am checking the website for news brb thanks. |
| 00:10.52 | AlexanRO | i apt-get gcc 4.0.2-5, whereis gcc i get gcc: /usr/lib/gcc, something tells me i am missing something.. |
| 00:10.56 | azeem | sambagirl: the mailing list is pretty responsive I think, but maybe we can help as well? |
| 00:11.08 | harleyg | when i updatge something in ~/.bashrc, how do i make it update it? it looks the same.. |
| 00:11.18 | beardy | harleyg: source .bashrc |
| 00:11.22 | harleyg | thanks |
| 00:11.25 | sambagirl | is VistA associated with debian-med? |
| 00:11.25 | azeem | AlexanRO: you probably need the gcc package besides gcc-4.0 as well |
| 00:11.32 | sambagirl | it's sort of confused. |
| 00:11.33 | azeem | sambagirl: what is VistA? |
| 00:11.36 | sambagirl | brb let me read the thing. |
| 00:11.55 | abrotman | azeem: next version of windows |
| 00:11.59 | goron | I am configuring Exim4, and it asks for my "e-mail name". What should I fill in there? The domain name that my ISP has given to me or <computername>.<name my ISP has given> or something else? |
| 00:12.01 | AlexanRO | azeem : devel pgk? |
| 00:12.27 | azeem | sambagirl: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/his#vista |
| 00:12.41 | azeem | AlexanRO: devel? |
| 00:12.44 | sambagirl | well i believe the Veterans Administration or Department of Health have released to open source people the program to stimulate physicians and clinics to start to use it for accelerating the Electronic MEdical Records process. |
| 00:12.56 | azeem | sambagirl: it's on their todo |
| 00:12.57 | sambagirl | ahh thanks |
| 00:13.02 | AlexanRO | gcc package? |
| 00:13.43 | azeem | AlexanRO: there is `gcc' and a `gcc-4.0' package |
| 00:13.43 | Gnea | wtf... |
| 00:13.55 | Gnea | wish i'd known about debian-med, oh, a few months ago |
| 00:14.10 | jjazz | Gnea, you should have asked |
| 00:14.13 | sambagirl | well to be honest i have installed the vista on this ubuntu computer right here i am typing on but i hvae been unable to launch the thing. brb let me read this. |
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| 00:14.32 | Gnea | jjazz: no way, it should've been on the front cover of every news site |
| 00:14.44 | polkah | hello people |
| 00:14.44 | azeem | Gnea: it's like 6 years old |
| 00:14.45 | sambagirl | Gnea your in the medical profession? |
| 00:14.56 | Gnea | sambagirl: i was, sorta |
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| 00:15.18 | polkah | do you know if there is any SMIT-like program for linux ? (I talk about smit from aix) |
| 00:15.34 | dondelelcaro | polkah: what does smit do? |
| 00:15.47 | Gnea | sambagirl: i was a network admin for a medical-based company for a good majority of the year, until they decided to restructure |
| 00:15.48 | diana_ | What is the lowest number I should put gdm in /etc/rcS.d/* ? |
| 00:15.49 | sambagirl | this is an important thing to crush the stranglehold these companies have on the medical software market you know. i dont know how much to trust the us government but what the heck, they can do what htey want anyway. |
| 00:15.52 | beardy | polkah: What does the program do? |
| 00:15.55 | diana_ | I want gdm to start asap without breaking shit. |
| 00:16.14 | sambagirl | is there a channel to talk off topic of debian technical things? |
| 00:16.15 | beardy | diana_: Why are you messing with the runlevels? |
| 00:16.16 | deadcat | diana_: hows slim ? iam still waiting |
| 00:16.16 | azeem | diana_: hrm |
| 00:16.18 | sambagirl | i have a bunch of questions |
| 00:16.26 | deadcat | sambagirl: #linux |
| 00:16.30 | sambagirl | lol |
| 00:16.31 | diana_ | beardy: To get my system to run faster. |
| 00:16.37 | sambagirl | no |
| 00:16.39 | sambagirl | lol |
| 00:16.39 | sambagirl | no |
| 00:16.40 | diana_ | deadcat: I just formatted...it will be doing good soon. |
| 00:16.41 | dondelelcaro | sambagirl: there are bunches of channels; different topics have different channels where the topic is appropriate |
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| 00:16.44 | Gnea | sambagirl: well if they're regarding debian specifically, this is the place |
| 00:16.45 | sambagirl | i'll never go there again. |
| 00:16.46 | azeem | sambagirl: you want to talk about Debian, but not technical? |
| 00:16.51 | azeem | sambagirl: or just talk? |
| 00:16.55 | deadcat | diana_: ? formatted what? |
| 00:17.03 | sambagirl | aobut medical things |
| 00:17.08 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:17.18 | diana_ | my laptop...so I don't have slim right now...but I'm just setting up runlevels before I install it. |
| 00:17.20 | beardy | diana_: And how would it run faster if you mess up your system? |
| 00:17.20 | deadcat | sambagirl: #drugs (= |
| 00:17.23 | sambagirl | i be back |
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| 00:17.25 | sambagirl | lol |
| 00:17.29 | goron | What should I fill in for "e-mail name" in Exim4 configuration? |
| 00:17.32 | polkah | dondelelcaro, beardy : it's a program that run in a terminal and that is very usefull for a AIX system administrator. it is a user interface that simplifies the administration. No need to know every option of the command, etc ... A bit like webmin can do, but I think smit is a bit more powerfull |
| 00:17.32 | dondelelcaro | sambagirl: most of that probably happens on mailing lists... the community there is probably too small for a single channel. |
| 00:17.33 | azeem | sambagirl: in any case, there is #debian-women on irc.oftc.net, if you're really a lady |
| 00:17.33 | deadcat | diana_: isnt anyone gonna package the thing? |
| 00:17.35 | sambagirl | no |
| 00:17.38 | Gnea | #debian-med now exists for medical-related debian info |
| 00:17.49 | diana_ | deadcat: yea it was itp'd like a month ago...the guy packaging it takes forever. |
| 00:17.52 | sambagirl | okie dokie |
| 00:17.54 | Gnea | azeem: idiot. |
| 00:17.55 | sambagirl | thanks |
| 00:17.55 | dondelelcaro | polkah: $EDITOR et al. is pretty much what we use. |
| 00:17.57 | sambagirl | bbl chao |
| 00:18.01 | sambagirl | thanks again |
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| 00:18.10 | azeem | Gnea: eh? |
| 00:18.27 | Gnea | azeem: way to go, thinking with your 'other' head :P |
| 00:18.56 | raden | anyone knows where to get a socket A board and case elcheapo ? |
| 00:19.08 | dondelelcaro | raden: pricewatch.com |
| 00:19.15 | Gnea | raden: how cheap is elcheapo? |
| 00:19.22 | raden | like $50 |
| 00:19.31 | Gnea | anything else? |
| 00:19.34 | raden | its just for a aathlon 1200 chip i have laying around another deb box :) |
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| 00:19.42 | raden | nope just board and case |
| 00:19.52 | Gnea | raden: is that an xp chip or a duron/thunderbird? |
| 00:20.09 | dondelelcaro | raden: again, pricewatch.com; MSI for $27 at some place. |
| 00:20.12 | diana_ | beardy: How would it mess up my system? |
| 00:20.13 | Gnea | raden: cuz i've got a spare board and a case, with psu - tyan |
| 00:20.13 | raden | its the 200 Mhz FSB |
| 00:20.17 | polkah | dondelelcaro: yes, me too, but smit can make some things faster, or an help you to do some difficult things. The most usuable/loveable feature in smit is that it tells you what command it runs when it does something |
| 00:20.27 | raden | is it the tyan 2390 ? |
| 00:20.32 | Gnea | lemme check |
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| 00:20.36 | deadcat | diana_: i compiled it. but had problem getting the theme to show up so i gave up... i SHOULDNT be that hard. that dude is just too lazy or holding us hostage.. fuck him |
| 00:20.48 | diana_ | lol |
| 00:20.50 | Gnea | yes, it is. |
| 00:20.51 | testtesttesting | How do I change my screen resolution in xfce4? |
| 00:20.53 | eeyore- | i think the coolest thing about smit is the running guy ... |
| 00:20.55 | diana_ | deadcat: Where did you put your themes? |
| 00:20.57 | eeyore- | and how he sometimes falls down |
| 00:21.07 | devicenull | well this is interesting.. |
| 00:21.12 | Gnea | raden: interested? i just replaced it with another system, nothing's wrong with it. |
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| 00:21.14 | deadcat | diana_: the default theme. that didnt work |
| 00:21.17 | Gnea | raden: and i need $$ bad |
| 00:21.18 | devicenull | how do I make my eth0 interface release its ip address? |
| 00:21.25 | beardy | diana_: How would it make it "faster"? |
| 00:21.37 | zOap | devicenull, ifdown |
| 00:21.45 | dusk | how do I set python2.4 as my default python make? |
| 00:21.48 | diana_ | beardy: it wouldn't...but I could login faster..and it would make me happy. |
| 00:21.50 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: smit is the systems manager interface thingie |
| 00:21.53 | devicenull | zOap, if I do that, I lose the ssl connection.. |
| 00:21.54 | devicenull | soo |
| 00:21.59 | raden | Gnea, hold on a moment |
| 00:22.11 | beardy | diana_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 00:22.13 | Gnea | raden: no problem |
| 00:22.15 | azeem | diana_: /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm@ |
| 00:22.20 | zOap | devicenull, tried to run dhclient? |
| 00:22.20 | azeem | diana_: that's on Ubuntu |
| 00:22.26 | azeem | diana_: but it will probably break badly on Debian |
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| 00:23.00 | eeyore- | polkah: sorry, there isn't one for "linux" (so many distros) that are equally applicable across the board. each distro has its own thing, some don't even have any |
| 00:23.02 | raden | Gnea, its a S2390 then ? |
| 00:23.06 | raden | yeah got a pic ? |
| 00:23.10 | Gnea | raden: yes, it's an S2390 |
| 00:23.14 | raden | sweet |
| 00:23.15 | Gnea | yeah, hold on |
| 00:23.19 | dondelelcaro | polkah: yeah, no one has really bothered to write such a thing because it's different for each distro; in the end though, using the standard tools is generally much, much easier. |
| 00:23.29 | polkah | ok eeyore- , thanks ;) |
| 00:23.33 | Gnea | raden: i've got the manual for it somewhere too i think |
| 00:23.59 | raden | i dont need one :) them were my fav boards back in the day |
| 00:24.12 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:24.22 | devicenull | hrrm |
| 00:24.23 | Gnea | yeah, tyan makes the best.... finding that pic |
| 00:24.27 | eeyore- | polkah: it's about on par with Sun in many areas (config files), but a great deal less cryptic in kernel-tweaking |
| 00:24.30 | devicenull | I've lost contact with my box now |
| 00:24.32 | polkah | dondelelcaro: I'm write with you. The problem is that I don't find any centralized control center in debian like we can find in redhat, suse or mandrake |
| 00:24.34 | devicenull | this is quite odd |
| 00:24.55 | dondelelcaro | polkah: because it doesn't really exist; those tend to cause far more problems than they solve. |
| 00:25.02 | eeyore- | polkah: in Solaris, for example, it's damn near impossible to find out how to tweak kernel parameters. not so for linux. so that's a blessing, in light of lack of integrated tool |
| 00:25.02 | raden | Gnea, the S2390 was a darn good board |
| 00:25.18 | diana_ | beardy: Will things break if I change "startup $i start" to "startup $i start &" in /etc/init.d/rc |
| 00:25.19 | eeyore- | polkah: what kind of "control center"? |
| 00:25.25 | polkah | eeyore-: yes, modifying config file is a good deal in most case, but having choice is always better |
| 00:25.33 | raden | Gnea, what memory them boards take i cant rember ? |
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| 00:26.00 | polkah | eeyore-: "mandrake control center" for example |
| 00:26.05 | Gnea | raden: this one has been powering my server for over a year straight. there's not a thing wrong with it, except i just replaced with with an athlon xp board |
| 00:27.15 | testtesttesting | Can someone link me to a list of the possible screen resolutions for x? |
| 00:27.19 | testtesttesting | I need to modify mine |
| 00:27.32 | polkah | eeyore-, dondelelcaro: I look for something that help me to configure lvm, network, user, and reading/filtering logs in one area |
| 00:27.38 | beardy | diana_: I don't know. And I don't understand why you bother. |
| 00:28.02 | abrotman | testtesttesting: i prefer 320x200 |
| 00:28.06 | testtesttesting | rofl |
| 00:28.26 | polkah | I don't think it can cause problem, especially if that only use system command like aix does |
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| 00:28.57 | diana_ | beardy: Because only waiting 15 seconds is better then waiting 70 seconds? |
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| 00:29.03 | beardy | polkah: Learn to use the standard tools, you will find it much simpler and faster after a little while. |
| 00:29.05 | goron | What e-mail name should I use in Exim4? Just my made up local domain? I.e. one that doesn't exist in the outside world? |
| 00:29.16 | eeyore- | polkah: yeah, configuring lvm would be nice. configuring network, not hard to do with /etc/network/interfaces, user? not hard to edit files or run useradd. reading logs? i'd rather grep |
| 00:29.28 | eeyore- | polkah: so basically, i just agree with lvm :-) |
| 00:29.50 | devicenull | what do I use to configure wireless devices? |
| 00:29.59 | polkah | beardy: I already know them, lots of AIX admin already know them, but you can be sure that they even use SMIT for some kind of things ;) |
| 00:30.01 | dondelelcaro | bah. lvm is easy... just run the various lv creation utilities |
| 00:30.01 | deadcat | diana_: by the way. the developers has the README file to point to INSTALL for install help but theres no INSTALL file. they are morons. the only reason i want to use it is because it looks like gdm and dont have all the junks of gdm. else i would fuck them |
| 00:30.29 | eeyore- | i use smit for configuring LVM because the silly LVM thing under AIX is such a farking pain in the rear |
| 00:30.31 | shogunx | goron: get a domain name and use that. then you have a functional mailserver, and it actually makes a difference. |
| 00:30.43 | diana_ | yea, this isn't the best project... but gdm/xdm/kdm are all shit |
| 00:30.51 | deadcat | ya |
| 00:30.56 | diana_ | So in comparison slim is the best. |
| 00:30.57 | dondelelcaro | diana_: so don't use any of them... just use startx. |
| 00:31.22 | diana_ | slim is better then startx, heh. |
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| 00:31.30 | goron | shogunx: I only want to send mail from this workstation, that's all. |
| 00:31.31 | shogunx | ok, so if i pass init=1 on the openfirmware console, will aix give me a single user root shell? |
| 00:31.40 | azeem | just do init=/usr/bin/emacs |
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| 00:31.50 | dondelelcaro | then use slim. |
| 00:31.55 | polkah | eeyore-: sure that user is really easy to do in command line, and other too. They are just examples. But you can be sure there are other example like lvm (or nearly ;) ) |
| 00:32.02 | shogunx | goron: you don't want to receive mail, just send? set it to anything. |
| 00:32.12 | deadcat | startx sucks because anyone can swtich to vt1 and ^c and get your shell. with a dm i can xlock it |
| 00:32.12 | diana_ | I am...I was talking to deadcat about the dev from the maintainer. |
| 00:32.25 | polkah | Anyway, I was just curious to know if there is such thing on linux. But I can work without that ;) |
| 00:32.39 | goron | shogunx: I have a domain name that I got from my ISP. Is that ok too? |
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| 00:33.07 | goron | shogunx: Or do I have to include the hostname too? |
| 00:33.27 | deadcat | diana_: there IS ldm though. but i think it kinna suck too |
| 00:33.37 | shogunx | deadcat: unless you startx, then ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl Z then logout, which leaves the X session securable with xlock |
| 00:33.41 | dippo__ | is there anything like update-rc.d except to list the symlinks that currently exist? |
| 00:33.55 | devicenull | short of putting the config file in /etc/network/interfaces is there anything I need to do to bring up my wireless on boot? |
| 00:33.56 | deadcat | shogunx: lot of work |
| 00:34.12 | azeem | devicenull: make sure the kernel modules are loaded |
| 00:34.18 | shogunx | goron: if you do not want to receive smtp, either will work. |
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| 00:34.30 | devicenull | azeem, will that happen automatically? |
| 00:34.38 | goron | shogunx: and suppose I want to receive it? |
| 00:34.43 | shogunx | deadcat: i think startx & exit will accomplish the same thing. |
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| 00:35.03 | goron | shogunx: I would want to know how it works in case I need it. |
| 00:35.04 | ivolinux | Hi peopple good night |
| 00:35.07 | deadcat | shogunx: oh |
| 00:35.08 | azeem | devicenull: if everything works fine, yes |
| 00:35.12 | shogunx | goron: then you need to have it set to a domain name that actually resolves to that host. |
| 00:35.12 | Vicious | nite ivolinux |
| 00:35.24 | devicenull | well then |
| 00:35.35 | devicenull | the simple solution is to restart while I have the monitor attached. |
| 00:35.51 | ivolinux | anyone could indicate me please a sound board from creative that works nicely under debian and that will allow me use my 5.1 soundspeakers with their full potential? |
| 00:35.52 | devicenull | and hope it works. |
| 00:35.59 | deadcat | diana_: i am compiling slim, if i get it to work. we can tell the guy whos maintaining it to take a vacation. or get a real job because hes not doing it hahah |
| 00:36.10 | goron | shogunx: ok, so that will mean that I have to portforward the standard port for smtp to this machine. And that would be all? |
| 00:36.11 | devicenull | ivolinux, I can tell you that the audigy works nicely under gentoo |
| 00:36.55 | devicenull | hrm |
| 00:37.01 | devicenull | pciehp cant be loaded? |
| 00:37.05 | ivolinux | devicenull: i am a begginner...is audigy a type of sound board from creative? |
| 00:37.11 | devicenull | yea |
| 00:37.16 | devicenull | creative audigy something or other |
| 00:37.16 | ivolinux | devicenull: and gentoo is a project that develop drivers? |
| 00:37.21 | devicenull | no |
| 00:37.22 | azeem | deadcat: he's a student |
| 00:37.26 | devicenull | gentoo is another version of linux. |
| 00:37.34 | azeem | and not ready studying right now either, I think |
| 00:37.36 | devicenull | but I'm guessing it would work under debian also |
| 00:37.39 | azeem | eh, s/ready/really/ |
| 00:37.44 | beardy | devicenull: No, it's another distribution. |
| 00:37.51 | devicenull | well yes. |
| 00:37.53 | shogunx | goron: if you are using the hostname issud by your ISP... cust4536.isp.net, and you pass 25/smtp through your NAT, then yes, you can send and receive mail from cust4536.isp.net |
| 00:37.56 | eeyore- | ivolinux: i use epia mii-10000 with 5.1 speakers. works great. |
| 00:37.57 | deadcat | azeem: so am i |
| 00:38.06 | eeyore- | ivolinux: i use digital-out, though (coax) |
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| 00:38.26 | azeem | deadcat: well, he's also busy rewriting APT, or so he claims ;) |
| 00:38.28 | ivolinux | epia mii-1000... |
| 00:38.33 | devicenull | Is there a way to prevent the system from hanging if it cant get a DHCP lease? |
| 00:38.42 | deadcat | azeem: HAHAHA. he aint doing a good job there either (= |
| 00:38.44 | ivolinux | eeycore-: where are the drivers for epia mii-1000? do you know? |
| 00:38.52 | azeem | anyway, just mail the bug report whether he got packages somewhere? |
| 00:39.03 | eeyore- | ivolinux: it's a different motherboard :-) it's not just a sound card |
| 00:39.09 | beardy | devicenull: some patience and waiting? |
| 00:39.13 | eeyore- | ivolinux: heh heh. sorry, not a creative product |
| 00:39.25 | azeem | devicenull: ^c might work as well |
| 00:39.33 | ivolinux | actually i want a sound board that works on linux and let me use my 5.1 creative sound speakers |
| 00:39.38 | devicenull | well yea, but i'm not always going to be attached |
| 00:39.46 | ivolinux | it doesnt matter if it is a creative one but it would be nice |
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| 00:40.08 | devicenull | hrm |
| 00:40.12 | devicenull | now my wireless doesnt work |
| 00:40.49 | azeem | devicenull: well, wait for network-manager for that |
| 00:41.03 | goron | shogunx: thanks |
| 00:41.03 | azeem | or do some funky stuff with ifplugd etc. |
| 00:41.06 | devicenull | it worked before I rebooted :P |
| 00:41.19 | devicenull | like the hardwares detected, but it doesnt seem to want to associate |
| 00:41.23 | eeyore- | i am drooling over this new nano-itx case |
| 00:41.52 | eeyore- | www.epiacenter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=701 |
| 00:42.12 | eeyore- | look at how small that sucker is ... |
| 00:42.26 | devicenull | grr |
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| 00:43.13 | devicenull | Is there a simple way to see why something wont associate? |
| 00:44.37 | eeyore- | devicenull: wrong wep key :-) |
| 00:44.48 | devicenull | thats what I thought |
| 00:44.52 | eeyore- | devicenull: or, you've got the MAC filtered out |
| 00:44.53 | devicenull | but it worked before I rebooted |
| 00:44.58 | devicenull | ooh |
| 00:45.01 | devicenull | that could be it |
| 00:45.03 | devicenull | thx |
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| 00:45.34 | devicenull | damn, you are good :P |
| 00:45.40 | devicenull | oh wait, its disabled |
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| 00:47.08 | Vicious | root |
| 00:47.19 | devicenull | I'll just diable wep for a sec |
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| 00:48.00 | eeyore- | devicenull: iwconfig <interface> |
| 00:48.12 | devicenull | iwconfig command not found |
| 00:48.13 | devicenull | :) |
| 00:48.22 | devicenull | what package is that from |
| 00:48.22 | eeyore- | devicenull: well, doh! |
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| 00:50.11 | Ken-Tzu | what do all the images represented by these torrents represent? i just finished downloading binary-1 and only see explanations up until binary-5 |
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| 00:54.06 | deadcat | aha. slim is compiled and running. but i cant get checkinstall to cuild the .deb because it segfault on me )= |
| 00:54.11 | deadcat | jcwong: what up |
| 00:54.58 | scytheman | deadcat, checkinstall segfaults? |
| 00:55.07 | deadcat | scytheman: ya. on x86 AND ppc. |
| 00:55.12 | jcwong | deadcat: deadfish :) |
| 00:55.17 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:55.30 | blondie | hmm |
| 00:55.30 | scytheman | deadcat, install coreutils 5.2.1-2.1 |
| 00:55.34 | deadcat | /var/tmp/OoTCWbnPUMaLJXIEnOQe/installscript.sh: line 13: 7782 Segmentation fault mkdir -p "/usr/share/doc/slim-1.2.3" |
| 00:55.44 | scytheman | checkinstall segfaults with 5.93-5 |
| 00:55.51 | jcwong | deadcat: nothing much, just recompiled my e17 :) |
| 00:55.55 | deadcat | scytheman: ah. thanks |
| 00:56.12 | scytheman | see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339137 |
| 00:56.39 | deadcat | scytheman: let me downgrade coreutils, package slim, then we can tell the current maintainer to stop slim and work on his own shit hahah that dude |
| 00:57.42 | scytheman | strangely, nobody does anything to solve this problem |
| 00:58.22 | Ken-Tzu | i know. it blows. |
| 00:58.32 | deadcat | jcwong: nice nice nice. |
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| 00:59.19 | devicenull | so theres no way to specify a shorter dhcp timeout? |
| 00:59.40 | jmd_ | Does anyone know how to save gnome settings after having logged in with "Failsafe Gnome" from gdm? |
| 00:59.41 | devicenull | I could just disable eth0 enitrely, but I still like to be able to plug it into ethernet if I have to |
| 00:59.57 | azeem | devicenull: ifplugd |
| 01:00.02 | deadcat | scytheman: i am trying to build slim so it will create the /etc/init.d/slim script too. gonna copy xdm hehe |
| 01:00.08 | devicenull | I dont have it installed. |
| 01:00.20 | scytheman | deadcat, what is slim? |
| 01:00.24 | azeem | devicenull: well, you could change that |
| 01:00.33 | devicenull | is it really worth it? |
| 01:00.40 | devicenull | I'll just disable eth0 |
| 01:00.44 | azeem | devicenull: I don't know |
| 01:00.51 | azeem | sounds like a good option as well |
| 01:00.52 | devicenull | I love it when I cant maek up my mind |
| 01:00.57 | Ken-Tzu | riverrat,do you understand? |
| 01:01.08 | scytheman | "A simple login manager for X11". oh :) |
| 01:01.59 | scytheman | sounds interesting, i am searching for an dm to replace gdm on my laptop, nice |
| 01:02.18 | Ken-Tzu | use entrance dm |
| 01:02.56 | scytheman | i'll try slim |
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| 01:03.07 | deadcat | scytheman: small login manager |
| 01:03.14 | deadcat | Ken-Tzu: not everyone has E |
| 01:03.20 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 01:03.30 | Ken-Tzu | well, they should. |
| 01:03.31 | scytheman | deadcat, yeah, i found it on freshmeat |
| 01:03.32 | deadcat | scytheman: so you want to build the deb? |
| 01:04.15 | scytheman | deadcat, yes, tomorrow |
| 01:04.16 | scytheman | i go to bed now :) |
| 01:04.29 | deadcat | k |
| 01:04.42 | deadcat | scytheman: do it now (= wont take long hehe |
| 01:05.01 | scytheman | deadcat, why? |
| 01:05.17 | deadcat | scytheman: if so i dont have to |
| 01:05.22 | scytheman | atm my notebook isn't bootet |
| 01:05.55 | deadcat | o |
| 01:06.00 | blondie | not bootet? sounds good |
| 01:06.02 | devicenull | ... |
| 01:06.12 | devicenull | its not running ifup rausb0 on boot |
| 01:06.42 | devicenull | suggestions? |
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| 01:07.00 | devicenull | nm. |
| 01:07.04 | devicenull | I suck at configs |
| 01:07.19 | bucky | put auto rausb0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:24.14 | strubbel | Hi everyone |
| 01:24.57 | strubbel | very silent in here |
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| 01:26.09 | thingfish | yeah all the regulars are out getting drunk. |
| 01:26.47 | strubbel | I've a question, could anyone tell me the difference between 'max locked memory', 'max memory size' and 'virtual memory'. I want to use ulimit. |
| 01:26.51 | abrotman | thingfish: i'm here! |
| 01:27.00 | thingfish | abrotman: oh thank god. |
| 01:27.02 | strubbel | hingfish: not that bad |
| 01:27.08 | abrotman | thingfish: piss off :) |
| 01:27.08 | Solet | how do i tar a large file into a bunch of tiny tarrs that range from name0000.tar to namexxxx.tar and each file is of a size i specify? |
| 01:27.19 | thingfish | hehe no I meant it! :) |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | Solet: split ? |
| 01:28.03 | Solet | one word answers != telling me shit |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | man spkit |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | man split |
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| 01:28.39 | abrotman | two words!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:29.09 | scytheman | deadcat |
| 01:29.11 | blondie | abrotman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111one |
| 01:29.45 | Solet | ok thank you... `man split' accually looks like a command... `split' didnt |
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| 01:30.05 | abrotman | well .. split is a command .. man split is the help file for the command :) |
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| 01:30.14 | Solet | i see that now |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | Solet: btw .. that should be == :) |
| 01:30.32 | Azar | hello honorables: nice article : The Beauty of "The Debian System" http://madpenguin.org/cms/index.php/?m=show&id=5779&page=1 |
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| 01:30.44 | scytheman | deadcat? |
| 01:30.55 | bucky | oh no he's telling us we don't tell him shit with one word answers |
| 01:31.16 | Solet | but when you just said `Solet: split ?' for all i knew you were suggesting i hack it into pieces manually just to be a jackass |
| 01:31.43 | strubbel | ok, again: what's 'max locked memory'? |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | Solet: sorry .. it was a concise answer though :) |
| 01:31.58 | bucky | Solet, we should just tell you to go to #linuxhelp |
| 01:32.07 | Solet | once it was explained.... |
| 01:32.07 | strubbel | or better locked |
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| 01:32.42 | diana | What is the oss module to modprobe for sound? |
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| 01:33.13 | abrotman | diana: depends on your sound card |
| 01:33.22 | Azar | diana anything that looks like your sound driver module which will not have any "snd" attached to it |
| 01:33.27 | diana | snd_atiixp |
| 01:33.29 | diana | Is my card. |
| 01:33.38 | Azar | snd is an alsa module |
| 01:33.44 | diana | snd-pcm-oss? |
| 01:33.48 | Felina | i have a 2nd pc with a winxp what do i need to do for this to comunecate ? |
| 01:33.51 | Azar | without snd |
| 01:33.55 | Felina | this has debian |
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| 01:34.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you're doing this right ? |
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| 01:34.53 | Felina | wow |
| 01:34.54 | Azar | clearing old logs |
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| 01:35.16 | thomas | is there a way to make dpkg --configure -a skip a package? It keeps trying to set up a plugin for gstreamer which seems to freeze... I can't continue wha ti'm doing without skipping this... |
| 01:35.35 | scytheman | deadcat, wherever you are, here is the deb: http://choerbaert.org/scy/deb/slim_1.2.3-1_i386.deb |
| 01:35.36 | azeem | thomas: hack the postinst |
| 01:35.46 | thomas | how would i go about this? |
| 01:35.52 | azeem | thomas: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | azeem: you're so graceful :) |
| 01:36.03 | azeem | where foo is your gstreamer pluging |
| 01:36.03 | thomas | thanks man |
| 01:36.06 | diana | I just can't seem to get any sound. |
| 01:36.07 | azeem | eh, plugin |
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| 01:36.15 | diana | I install alsa-utils and alsa-base ... but it isn't work. |
| 01:36.17 | diana | ing* |
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| 01:36.24 | azeem | abrotman: bah |
| 01:36.31 | diana | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | azeem: you just flutter around the channel! |
| 01:36.38 | thomas | "doesn't work" is vague and generally won't help :P |
| 01:36.42 | diana | cookooland:~# ls -al /dev/dsp |
| 01:36.42 | diana | ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
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| 01:36.54 | Azar | diana, you need to disable oss modules first |
| 01:37.22 | Azar | in /etc/modules spot which oss module is enabled and #comment it so it will not run. |
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| 01:38.03 | Azar | an oss module will be one that never shows a snd_attachment |
| 01:38.23 | diana | Azar: lsmod|grep oss shows nothing. |
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| 01:39.03 | Azar | well then configure your alsa modules, run alsamixer and enable sound on it, by default comes with mute. |
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| 01:39.18 | Azar | enable alsa as well in your player of choice |
| 01:39.26 | diana | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 01:39.33 | diana | Azar: I can't run alsamixer. |
| 01:39.34 | Azar | install it |
| 01:39.41 | thomas | azeem, what exactly am I supposed to edit? can I just comment it out? |
| 01:39.48 | Azar | install alsamixer with apt-get |
| 01:39.56 | diana | alsa-base is already the newest version. |
| 01:39.56 | diana | alsa-utils is already the newest version. |
| 01:39.57 | diana | I did. |
| 01:40.09 | Azar | type alsamixer |
| 01:40.16 | diana | I did...I just pasted you the error. |
| 01:40.19 | diana | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 01:40.39 | azeem | thomas: well, I don't know. Try to figure out which line is responsible for your problem and comment it |
| 01:40.40 | Azar | well something went wrong there |
| 01:40.51 | azeem | thomas: or just rename the postinst |
| 01:41.01 | azeem | thomas: that will make the configureing go alright, but you should investigate why it failed in the first place |
| 01:41.11 | Azar | diana: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 01:41.18 | diana | I did that. |
| 01:41.23 | diana | It still doesn't work. |
| 01:41.40 | Azar | identify your oss modules in /etc/modules |
| 01:41.43 | Azar | comment it out |
| 01:41.54 | diana | I did that also...heh |
| 01:42.00 | Azar | you did? how? |
| 01:42.06 | diana | #snd-pcm-oss |
| 01:42.14 | Azar | that is NOT an oss module |
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| 01:42.19 | Azar | you commented the wrong module |
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| 01:42.24 | diana | I don't have any other sound modules in there. |
| 01:42.26 | Azar | identify your oss module |
| 01:42.30 | Azar | are you sure? |
| 01:42.35 | diana | sd_mod? |
| 01:42.40 | diana | That is the only one I'm not sure about. |
| 01:42.40 | Azar | no |
| 01:42.47 | Azar | what sound card do you use? |
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| 01:43.13 | diana | Azar: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8tWKry83.html |
| 01:44.01 | diana | cookooland:~# rmmod atiixp |
| 01:44.01 | diana | ERROR: Module atiixp is in use |
| 01:44.15 | diana | hmm |
| 01:45.30 | strubbel | The parent process ID of the child process is the process ID of its parent process. :) |
| 01:45.57 | Azar | it seems you do not have any oss module out there |
| 01:46.20 | Azar | uncomment the snd-pcm-oss you need it |
| 01:46.29 | diana | I was using sound with this card yesterday. |
| 01:46.37 | diana | But I just formatted, and I don't know what is going on now. |
| 01:47.11 | Azar | you might have installed alsa okay but the installation seems borked |
| 01:47.19 | diana | ok |
| 01:47.33 | Azar | hmm what did you installed now, what Debian version? |
| 01:47.56 | Azar | diana what Debian are you running? |
| 01:48.14 | Azar | if you use ubuntu stop here. |
| 01:48.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:48.30 | thingfish | damn straight! |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | does sound work as root? |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 01:48.54 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 01:49.01 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | yeah .. run alsaconf ... yeah .. do it! |
| 01:49.21 | Azar | if she just reformatted, I think she might be running Woody with a 2.4.x kernel |
| 01:49.33 | diana | Azar: this is sarge yes |
| 01:49.39 | sched | maybe.. |
| 01:49.40 | Azar | diana, what kernel? |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 01:50.06 | diana | Linux cookooland 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:50.26 | windowmaker | i recently installed RTCW: enemy territory and the sound didn't work, so i followed this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly and it worked flawlessly, but when i turned on my PC this morning the sound didn't work anymore, any help? |
| 01:50.31 | Azar | alsa should run ok then |
| 01:50.48 | Azar | ubuntu not here |
| 01:51.02 | Azar | sound in ubuntu does not sound like in Debian |
| 01:51.04 | Azar | :) |
| 01:51.08 | windowmaker | Azar =( |
| 01:51.12 | diana | I am not running Ubuntu...I would just go to #ubuntu |
| 01:51.13 | diana | lol |
| 01:51.24 | windowmaker | diana: that's what i'm doing, it's a slow channel |
| 01:51.25 | Azar | no, diana, that was for windowmaker |
| 01:51.28 | diana | Why do you assume I'm not running debian because you don't know what is wrong. |
| 01:51.38 | windowmaker | diana: he's talkign to me |
| 01:51.43 | windowmaker | talking* |
| 01:51.55 | Azar | diana, I had same hardships at the beginning with alsa |
| 01:52.23 | Azar | there are many factors: how you install, configure, run, what player are you using, how the speakers are hooked, and so on |
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| 01:52.29 | Azar | its trying this and trying that |
| 01:52.37 | Guerin | !alsa for morons |
| 01:52.38 | dpkg | from memory, alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 01:52.46 | Guerin | use the second method, above |
| 01:52.50 | deadcat | diana: slim is running. (= |
| 01:52.55 | Guerin | presumes 2.6 kernel |
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| 01:53.41 | deadcat | diana: scytheman said he will build a deb tomorrow. |
| 01:53.46 | Azar | for example I had a flawless installation and configuration of alsa but my player won't run because the sound files I wanted to listen to needed a special plugin. |
| 01:53.56 | scytheman | deadcat, i have built a .deb |
| 01:54.02 | deadcat | scytheman: yay (= |
| 01:54.04 | deadcat | where at |
| 01:54.06 | scytheman | deadcat, don't you have any highlight? |
| 01:54.21 | scytheman | http://choerbaert.org/scy/deb/slim_1.2.3-1_i386.deb |
| 01:54.21 | Guerin | Azar: that's what's known as an id-10-T errot |
| 01:54.25 | Guerin | error |
| 01:54.27 | deadcat | scytheman: i was not here. SCREEN |
| 01:54.34 | scytheman | mkay :) |
| 01:54.48 | deadcat | nice nice (= |
| 01:54.55 | scytheman | as i said before, i haven't tested it yet |
| 01:54.59 | Azar | Guerin, I never got a popup error, the player would just sit inert... later I found about the xmms mod plugins |
| 01:55.01 | scytheman | so do it for me |
| 01:55.38 | deadcat | what did you use? checkinstall? |
| 01:55.44 | scytheman | yes |
| 01:56.14 | deadcat | seems ok. just that we hav to create our own init script which is available on the webpage. |
| 01:57.05 | scytheman | yes |
| 01:57.45 | deadcat | scytheman: cool. i had to stick with the new coreutils pkg. |
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| 01:58.35 | westward | hi, how can I modify my keymap of openssh client? |
| 01:58.50 | scytheman | deadcat, i hope they fix this problem as soon as possible |
| 01:59.22 | deadcat | scytheman: ya. and i hope the new version of checkinstall is coming out soon. it has the ability NOT to install the pkg. just build hehe |
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| 02:00.21 | cindy | how do i take a screen shot? |
| 02:00.23 | deadcat | scytheman: too bad the libxft-dev is broken in ppc. )= |
| 02:00.30 | deadcat | cindy: scrot or import |
| 02:00.34 | scytheman | :/ |
| 02:01.05 | deadcat | cindy: you better share the screenshot if you ask how to take one (= |
| 02:01.12 | cindy | just save a .jpeg of some open windows |
| 02:01.15 | nimak2 | cindy: if youre on gnome, you can just hit printscreen |
| 02:01.18 | deadcat | gonna test your slim hehe. |
| 02:01.36 | cindy | ok and paste it into the gimp?: |
| 02:02.10 | macks | what software does everyone recommend to interface with ipods? |
| 02:02.15 | nimak2 | a window will pop up and let you save it |
| 02:02.45 | cindy | ok - no window pops up when i hit print screen |
| 02:02.58 | nimak2 | are you using gnome? |
| 02:03.01 | cindy | yes |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | gimp is one way .. gnome also has a screenshot applet |
| 02:03.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, that wasn't me... but it looks like hte bot was doing the right hting |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | or ... |
| 02:03.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: unbanning kawfee ? |
| 02:03.54 | diana | deadcat: lol good |
| 02:03.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: he's on the permanent ban list |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:04.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: why is that again? :) |
| 02:04.37 | nimak2 | cindy: take screenshot under the desktop menu |
| 02:04.45 | diana | abrotman: I wish this shitty slim had a ./configure ... I can't figure out which package I need to compile it. |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:04.57 | abrotman | slim ? |
| 02:05.06 | deadcat | diana: ya. sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/slim is the init script |
| 02:05.14 | diana | I have that. |
| 02:05.25 | diana | I just need to figure out what packages I need to compile. |
| 02:05.38 | deadcat | ohhhhh |
| 02:05.38 | deadcat | hahah |
| 02:05.39 | diana | abrotman: slim is the best login manager that exists. |
| 02:06.05 | abrotman | isn't it packaged ? |
| 02:06.22 | abrotman | and i would think the best login manager to have a ./configure :) |
| 02:06.29 | diana | abrotman: no, it was itp'd a like 45 days ago. |
| 02:06.30 | deadcat | diana: libpngNUMBER-dev libjpegNUMBER-dev libxft-dev libx11-dev and few other. i removed those pkgs after i compiled it. |
| 02:06.34 | abrotman | diana: ah ok |
| 02:06.43 | diana | abrotman: yea I would think so too. |
| 02:06.44 | diana | lol |
| 02:06.46 | diana | But it doesn't. |
| 02:06.53 | deadcat | thats over a month. )= |
| 02:07.04 | nimak2 | cindy: does that work? |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | diana: did you read the build instructions ? |
| 02:07.13 | cindy | no |
| 02:07.17 | deadcat | slim doesnt do dual monitor though. it stretches the image |
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| 02:07.35 | abrotman | cindy: it doesn't work ? |
| 02:07.36 | deadcat | cindy: apt-get install scrot && scrot |
| 02:07.49 | cindy | ok thank you |
| 02:08.00 | diana | haha abrotman there aren't any |
| 02:08.01 | diana | lol |
| 02:08.11 | dondelelcaro | import -window root foo.png; also works... |
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| 02:08.13 | diana | abrotman: It's still the best login manager though. |
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| 02:08.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:08.59 | deadcat | boo |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | hiss |
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| 02:09.49 | Guerin | guaranteed to never break, or do anythingg stupid and unexpected |
| 02:09.49 | scytheman | deadcat, slim works? |
| 02:09.55 | Guerin | that makes it the best for me, too |
| 02:10.00 | deadcat | scytheman: ya. using it now |
| 02:10.14 | scytheman | deadcat, okay, i go to bed now |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | Guerin: well . except when sid breaks it :) |
| 02:10.28 | Guerin | abrotman: that's sid's fault, not the program's |
| 02:10.30 | deadcat | scytheman: haha |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | Guerin: hopefully :) |
| 02:10.40 | nimak2 | gdm works fine for me |
| 02:10.48 | diana | abrotman: libjpeg62-dev is that I needed. |
| 02:11.25 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; when login breaks, there's always getty -n -l bash |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | sadist |
| 02:11.45 | deadcat | diana: ya. |
| 02:11.59 | crackhead | so I have just installed new nvidia drivers but when I restart the machine it load the old driver...any ideas? |
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| 02:12.31 | deadcat | diana: libpng12-dev libjpeg62-dev libxft-dev libx11-dev libxpm-dev libxmu-dev |
| 02:12.49 | deadcat | crackhead: restart, if it dont work. reinstall |
| 02:13.07 | crackhead | deadcat : tried all the above |
| 02:13.16 | deadcat | rereinstall |
| 02:13.21 | crackhead | did it |
| 02:13.52 | crackhead | everything works after I install, but when I restart that's when the old driver loads |
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| 02:14.30 | crackhead | and then I can install the drivers again and restarting loads the old driver again |
| 02:14.43 | crackhead | is there a way to delete the old driver module? |
| 02:14.58 | deadcat | crackhead: did you do it the debian way? |
| 02:14.59 | cindy | ok i found k snapshot - that did it |
| 02:15.07 | deadcat | modprobe -l |grep nvidia | xargs rm |
| 02:15.08 | diana | k, now I just need to figure out why sound doesn't work. |
| 02:15.12 | diana | It worked in sid, but not in sarge. |
| 02:15.48 | deadcat | the d-i snapshot netinstall is pretty nice.. nice as in lightweight install |
| 02:16.03 | fishhead | HAHAHAHAAHA THIS DUDE IS ON A TV news show here in usa and this reporter is repeating a chatlog of this 35 yd old piece of shit trying to get with a 12 yr old girl and his ass is so busted! "YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!" |
| 02:16.37 | deadcat | hmm |
| 02:16.54 | fishhead | hahahaa they setup a whole house and all these morons are showing up for the cam, this is just beautiful |
| 02:17.10 | diana | yea, that's what i used. |
| 02:17.11 | deadcat | fishhead: hahaha |
| 02:17.12 | deadcat | COPS? |
| 02:17.26 | fishhead | nbc reporter show I just turned it on |
| 02:17.39 | diana | d-i netinstall + lyre.mit.edu = 15 minute installs. |
| 02:17.44 | diana | 2 megs a second download. |
| 02:17.56 | diana | thank you mit |
| 02:18.27 | fishhead | "do you like dog sex? do you like anal?" hahahah this scum is so busted I love this show, for once the media is doing their job |
| 02:18.34 | deadcat | fishhead: what channel? |
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| 02:18.37 | SerajewelKS | is it just me or has firefox got less stable since its birth? mozilla is pretty rock-solid, while firefox crashes quite a bit. |
| 02:18.55 | diana | SerajewelKS: growing pains |
| 02:18.56 | ribnitz | SerajewelKS: thats just you. |
| 02:19.05 | diana | SerajewelKS: same here sometimes |
| 02:19.13 | diana | SerajewelKS: Use dillo for now...until 2.0 is out. |
| 02:19.19 | fishhead | it's nbc channel people on tv right now, I dunno the show etc I just turned it on, sorry |
| 02:19.24 | nimak2 | its worse on windows |
| 02:19.29 | nimak2 | much worse |
| 02:19.34 | ribnitz | 1.5 is pretty ok. |
| 02:19.37 | deadcat | oh |
| 02:19.46 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: i'm using 1.0.7 |
| 02:19.58 | ribnitz | Get 1.5 |
| 02:20.00 | deadcat | by thw way. i am using IE6 with wine (it works) hahah |
| 02:20.02 | SerajewelKS | and what's a good alternative to skype that's available in debian? |
| 02:20.06 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: that's not in testing yet |
| 02:20.21 | ribnitz | SerajewelKS: there's a package in experimental. |
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| 02:22.25 | deadcat | hm. when i exit an ssh session. it hangs there i have to ~. eventhough the session had ended |
| 02:22.28 | deadcat | what up |
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| 02:22.40 | ribnitz | deadcat: sleepless me. |
| 02:23.04 | apprentice | hello how can i connect directly to a lapp thru my computer. the lappy runs debian i run suse and windows |
| 02:23.07 | apprentice | what can i do |
| 02:23.17 | deadcat | fishhead: ah.. dateline. |
| 02:23.17 | abrotman | apprentice: ssh ? |
| 02:23.27 | deadcat | fishhead: ohhhhhhhh.. eastcost? damn. |
| 02:23.35 | fishhead | pennsylvania here |
| 02:23.39 | fishhead | OMG |
| 02:23.47 | fishhead | THE ONE dude is a special ed teacher |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | !phillysmite fishhead |
| 02:23.59 | fishhead | you can bet they are writing up his your fired papers right now |
| 02:24.08 | deadcat | fishhead: oh well. i am going to a comedy night at my school tonight. my friend is doing his act hahaha |
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| 02:24.13 | apprentice | how do i use ssh? |
| 02:24.29 | ribnitz | apprentice: like telnet. |
| 02:24.42 | apprentice | ok. what do i need |
| 02:24.43 | apprentice | how do i do it |
| 02:24.45 | ribnitz | apprentice: ssh user@host |
| 02:24.47 | deadcat | apprentice: ssh user@laptop |
| 02:25.04 | pingouin | man ssh |
| 02:25.10 | deadcat | apprentice: apt-get install ssh on the laptop first. and it will start a ssh daemon |
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| 02:25.34 | deadcat | why havent you heard/used ssh? its freakin end of 2005 |
| 02:25.40 | factor | how do I find out what usb dev a devices is like /dev/usb/usbtty3 etc.. |
| 02:25.50 | factor | lsusb does not do it |
| 02:25.54 | ribnitz | factor: lsusb? |
| 02:25.56 | factor | nope |
| 02:25.56 | xychix | good night all |
| 02:26.11 | factor | it tells me it is usb 003 |
| 02:26.14 | apprentice | i dont know |
| 02:26.14 | apprentice | i run windows |
| 02:26.16 | factor | does not tell me the dev |
| 02:26.16 | ribnitz | factor: replug, watch syslog? |
| 02:26.22 | deadcat | apprentice: SO! |
| 02:26.24 | factor | knoppix |
| 02:26.27 | factor | no syslog |
| 02:26.32 | factor | dmesg does not tell either |
| 02:26.46 | apprentice | is there a tutorial on ssh? |
| 02:26.55 | ribnitz | knoppix would automount then. |
| 02:26.56 | abrotman | man ssh ? |
| 02:26.56 | deadcat | apprentice: man ssh |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | ask #knoppix ? |
| 02:27.01 | pingouin | google it apprentice |
| 02:27.02 | crackhead | deadcat : that didn't work |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 02:27.13 | pingouin | you should find plenty of exemple |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | i never get Yuengling anymore :( |
| 02:27.19 | pingouin | those i have are in french |
| 02:27.41 | pingouin | mozdex it (instead of google ;) ) |
| 02:28.03 | deadcat | crackhead: nvidia is fucked up i guess. i think i finally got the damn card not to hang my X. NvAGP 0. hahah shit. over a year |
| 02:28.06 | apprentice | danka bitten |
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| 02:30.32 | apprentice | can someone help me a bit more with ssh |
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| 02:31.36 | deadcat | fucking rox-filer keeps changing the config dir.. those stupid shitheads |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | deadcat: file a bug! |
| 02:32.06 | deadcat | abrotman: you mean a complaint? |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman | same thing |
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| 02:32.59 | apprentice | where is X in the apt-get |
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| 02:33.03 | jbroome | a complaint is usually wrapped around a brick and tossed through a window |
| 02:33.03 | apprentice | do i need to add sources |
| 02:33.15 | streuner | apprentice: no |
| 02:33.26 | streuner | apprentice: x-window-system-(core) |
| 02:33.42 | pingouin | apprentice: apt-get install x...ah.. streuner faster... |
| 02:34.41 | apprentice | is this xfree or xorg? |
| 02:34.50 | streuner | apprentice: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 02:35.02 | apprentice | wait |
| 02:35.04 | apprentice | its runing |
| 02:35.06 | pingouin | !xorg |
| 02:35.09 | apprentice | the install |
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| 02:35.36 | streuner | apprentice: ok, what iso do you use actually? |
| 02:35.53 | colk | does anyone know where the ide dev entries moved to in 2.14 |
| 02:35.54 | diana | ahh...why won't freaken alsamixer start. |
| 02:36.02 | apprentice | none. i used diskettes and then net install |
| 02:36.04 | astronut | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(791) |
| 02:36.18 | astronut | if i start it again, will it spend a lot of time trying to check existing file? |
| 02:36.48 | streuner | apprentice: if you want xorg, /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 02:38.33 | streuner | apprentice: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-get update |
| 02:39.00 | apprentice | ok wait man |
| 02:39.30 | apprentice | oh btw is apt-get for suse any good? |
| 02:39.38 | resiak | !htfswk |
| 02:39.38 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 02:39.53 | apprentice | well u made apt-get |
| 02:39.55 | pingouin | :) i did not knew this one ;) |
| 02:39.56 | streuner | #suse should know that better |
| 02:40.03 | apprentice | im banned |
| 02:40.03 | diana | streuner: Why won't my sound work? |
| 02:40.05 | pingouin | htfswk ;) |
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| 02:40.36 | streuner | diana: cat /proc/version |
| 02:40.59 | diana | streuner: Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
| 02:41.23 | streuner | diana: run 'alscaconfig' as root |
| 02:41.32 | diana | never seen that domain before. |
| 02:41.36 | diana | streuner: You mean alsaconf? |
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| 02:41.41 | streuner | diana: yes |
| 02:41.58 | streuner | diana: make sure there aren't any OSS modules loaded |
| 02:42.00 | diana | streuner: I did that...still doesn't work. |
| 02:42.23 | streuner | diana: did alsaconf detect something? |
| 02:42.34 | diana | streuner: yes it detected properly. |
| 02:42.52 | diana | streuner: I'm on my laptop...and earlier today I was using sid..with the same soundcard...now I formatted with sarge...and no sound anymore. |
| 02:42.57 | streuner | diana: so just use a 'mixer' to unmute the channels |
| 02:43.10 | diana | diana@cookooland:~$ alsamixer |
| 02:43.10 | diana | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 02:43.15 | diana | alsamixer won't start. |
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| 02:43.23 | astronut | anyone know rsync well? |
| 02:43.30 | hammerabi | astronut: best to just ask... |
| 02:43.37 | MAQO | alguien habla español ?? |
| 02:43.37 | astronut | hammerabi: i did, no one answered |
| 02:43.38 | streuner | diana: try it as 'root' |
| 02:43.39 | resiak | !es |
| 02:43.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:43.42 | diana | !tel astronut about anyone |
| 02:43.46 | diana | !tell astronut about anyone |
| 02:43.48 | streuner | diana: or try 'aumix' |
| 02:43.48 | hammerabi | diana: what does "dmesg | grep snd" say? (#flood, I guess) |
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| 02:43.59 | hammerabi | astronut: try again! |
| 02:44.10 | diana | cookooland:~# dmesg | grep snd |
| 02:44.10 | diana | In case, if you have AWE card, try snd-sbawe module |
| 02:44.14 | astronut | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(791) |
| 02:44.15 | diana | streuner: only two lines. |
| 02:44.18 | astronut | if i start it again, will it spend a lot of time trying to check existing file? |
| 02:44.20 | astronut | files* |
| 02:44.32 | hammerabi | astronut: depends; it will at least check the mtimes |
| 02:44.46 | astronut | ok |
| 02:44.47 | resiak | astronut: It'll be faster than starting from scratch was :) |
| 02:44.48 | diana | hammerabi: You see those two lines? |
| 02:44.48 | astronut | but won't copy over |
| 02:44.50 | astronut | ok |
| 02:44.52 | hammerabi | diana: yeah |
| 02:44.54 | hammerabi | astronut: correct |
| 02:45.00 | astronut | cept it was farely slow, and i had used cp -r for most of the stuff |
| 02:45.16 | diana | diana@cookooland:~$ aumix |
| 02:45.17 | diana | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 02:45.19 | hammerabi | it probably won't even examine the contents of the file |
| 02:45.20 | diana | streuner: Can't open that either. |
| 02:45.22 | astronut | then i get to go over it and redo permissions |
| 02:45.27 | streuner | diana: as 'root' |
| 02:45.29 | hammerabi | diana: can you paste the output of "lsmod" to #flood? |
| 02:45.46 | hammerabi | astronut: why not jut pass -a to rsync to preserve them? |
| 02:45.54 | diana | streuner: same error as root |
| 02:46.12 | hammerabi | diana: and "lspci", too |
| 02:46.13 | astronut | hammerabi: copying off fat32, i did though |
| 02:46.21 | hammerabi | apologies if you already did that |
| 02:46.27 | hammerabi | astronut: ah, ouch |
| 02:46.37 | astronut | hammerabi: i thought at the time i'd dual boot |
| 02:46.46 | astronut | then i never had anywhere to put the data to do a format |
| 02:46.56 | astronut | but i picked up a $30 200 gig hd on black friday |
| 02:46.59 | hammerabi | hah |
| 02:47.14 | hammerabi | ah, didn't know ATI had a sound chipset |
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| 02:47.43 | hammerabi | diana: does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" do anything? (ie make noise or give an error) |
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| 02:49.16 | diana | cookooland:~# cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:49.19 | diana | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 02:49.21 | diana | There is no /dev/dsp file. |
| 02:49.24 | diana | o wait yes there is. |
| 02:49.26 | diana | nevermind |
| 02:49.29 | diana | no, that doesn't do anything. |
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| 02:49.46 | hammerabi | hm |
| 02:49.55 | streuner | diana: of course not, /dev/dsp is for OSS... |
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| 02:50.48 | deadcat | you should have oss emulated |
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| 02:51.47 | streuner | diana: so you told us 'alsaconf' detect the soundcard, are the modules loaded? |
| 02:51.58 | diana | streuner: yes |
| 02:52.14 | colk | 989 packages need to be upgraded |
| 02:52.22 | deadcat | haha. |
| 02:52.31 | streuner | diana: /j #flood and show us 'lsmod' |
| 02:52.32 | deadcat | unstable and havent been doing it over a month? |
| 02:52.34 | colk | thank god for cable |
| 02:52.34 | colk | :P |
| 02:52.39 | diana | streuner: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/UxuElS49.html |
| 02:52.46 | astronut | will mini atx mobo work in an atx case? |
| 02:52.50 | deadcat | colk: dont thank me |
| 02:52.58 | astronut | s/will/will a/ |
| 02:53.12 | gozz | could someone tell me whats wrong with this? (/dev/hda7 /mnt/vfat fat32 rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0) |
| 02:53.36 | colk | i think it might just that you will be taking up npt too much space |
| 02:53.56 | resiak | gozz: "fat32"? |
| 02:54.10 | resiak | gozz: ITYM vfat |
| 02:54.12 | colk | yeah its supposed to be vfat |
| 02:55.38 | gozz | i tried vfat,fat32 and ntfs for hda7 i keep getting (only root can mount) |
| 02:55.52 | resiak | Well, add user to the options then ... |
| 02:56.07 | resiak | but surely it should be mounted at boot time (by root) and then never touched again? |
| 02:56.11 | resiak | !vfatrw |
| 02:56.11 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
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| 02:57.12 | fclemuchi | oi pra todo mundo.. |
| 02:57.14 | fishhead | http://www.perverted-justice.com/ <--- this is suppostely the url of the sting etc |
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| 02:58.20 | resiak | !vfatrw =~ s/NTFS/NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux). |
| 02:58.24 | resiak | !vfatrw =~ s/NTFS/NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux)./ |
| 02:58.24 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 02:58.30 | resiak | fishhead: And we care why? |
| 02:58.38 | fishhead | cause it's cool :) |
| 02:58.57 | resiak | It's off-topic. |
| 02:59.06 | Hawkwind | fishhead: I see you're just as much of a script kiddie here in #debian that you always are in #Xchat |
| 02:59.22 | fishhead | scipt kiddie? |
| 02:59.32 | fishhead | last time I checked I don't break into boxes or try to flood or crash them |
| 02:59.35 | deadcat | fishhead: if they stupid enough to go to that site to chat with under age kids. they STUPID! (= |
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| 02:59.52 | fishhead | deadcat yes but it's nice to see them shamed on prime tv news |
| 02:59.53 | Hawkwind | fishhead: No but you are quite ignorant and annoying |
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| 03:00.05 | deadcat | fishhead: thats true. |
| 03:00.06 | fishhead | most of them were fired and fbi gave them a call |
| 03:00.07 | fishhead | :) |
| 03:00.21 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 03:00.58 | streuner | diana: ok, just reboot the box |
| 03:01.02 | diana | streuner: ok |
| 03:01.17 | diana | streuner: I did apt-get install alsa-source, and I'm using module-assistant to rebuild alsa. |
| 03:01.21 | diana | Then I'll reboot. |
| 03:01.25 | streuner | diana: oh |
| 03:01.46 | colk | wait you dont need alsa modules in 2.6 do you? |
| 03:01.49 | diana | alsa-modules-2.6.8-2-386_1.0.8-7+2.6.8-16sarge1_i386.deb |
| 03:01.56 | diana | i dunno |
| 03:01.58 | diana | but I'm out of ideas |
| 03:02.11 | colk | well if you compile your own kernel you dont |
| 03:02.12 | colk | :P |
| 03:02.18 | diana | going to reboot bbiab |
| 03:02.23 | SerajewelKS | is kphone compatible with any windows voip apps? |
| 03:02.38 | faljse | sure.. every sip app.. |
| 03:05.19 | mxktmdude | hi everyone, im kind of new to running a debian webserver. lately my server has been crashing. I kept 'top' open and this is what i got the other day and i dont understand whats causing it: http://pastebin.com/467455 |
| 03:06.40 | colk | holy |
| 03:06.44 | jbroome | looks like a shitload of mysql processes ate up all your memory |
| 03:06.49 | colk | yeah |
| 03:07.04 | colk | 26.23 isnt healtly |
| 03:07.10 | colk | systemload wise |
| 03:07.16 | mxktmdude | yeah! wierd eh? this is a dual xeon 3ghz server and its maxxed out :o |
| 03:07.20 | jbroome | ok free of swap isn't either |
| 03:07.24 | jbroome | err, 0k |
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| 03:07.32 | diana | streuner: ok, sound works. |
| 03:07.34 | Guerin | depends what it's doing |
| 03:07.36 | diana | streuner: and I have no idea why. |
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| 03:07.49 | diana | thanks for the help streuner I appreciate it. |
| 03:07.52 | ke6isf | So, how long until the spambots figure out we're on chat.freenode.net? |
| 03:08.09 | streuner | diana: something locked it, update-modules does 'wired' things ;-) |
| 03:08.43 | jbroome | mxktmdude: what are you running that's hooked into mysql? |
| 03:08.51 | caphuso | ke6isf: the more often you mention the new server name publically, the sooner it'll happen ;-) |
| 03:08.54 | cycom | I've got a 100mhz pentium machine with 32mb of ram. I want to run a nice light wm on it, but I want something that can easily interface with a touchscreen which the machine has. Any thoughts? |
| 03:09.34 | mxktmdude | jbroome: im only hosting my websites, php,apache,mysql |
| 03:09.49 | Guerin | cycom: touchscreen is an x server thing, not a windowmanager thing |
| 03:10.12 | Guerin | cycom: so you probably just want something with plenty of buttons, which could be anything |
| 03:10.29 | cycom | Guerin: and large buttons, but that's besides the point |
| 03:10.35 | Guerin | cycom: right. |
| 03:10.36 | streuner | diana: you're welcome. |
| 03:10.45 | ke6isf | caphuso: Either way, it's only a matter of time. |
| 03:10.52 | Guerin | cycom: i'd go *box, but your choice of apps will be more relevant |
| 03:10.59 | caphuso | ke6isf: yeah :-( |
| 03:11.31 | ke6isf | caphuso: At any rate, let's enjoy the quiet of no spam bots for the time being. Just in time for Sunday. |
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| 03:11.45 | tictac | is there an easy way to delete orphaned packages? im trying to remove X and everything that depends on it. |
| 03:11.55 | caphuso | tictac: deborphan |
| 03:11.55 | ke6isf | tictac: deborphan. |
| 03:12.25 | streuner | tictac: /msg dpkg deborphan too |
| 03:12.29 | Guerin | tictac: define X |
| 03:12.38 | mxktmdude | jbroome: sometimes it takes up to 24 hrs for the server to get like that, this morning, i decided to restart it, see if it would clean up... in 20 mins the server crashed |
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| 03:12.48 | tictac | Guerin: XFree86/X-window-system |
| 03:12.48 | Guerin | tictac: basically nothing depends on an X server - many things depend on X libraries |
| 03:12.54 | deadcat | tictac: you want debfoster. and go throught the list and rm the shits you dont want. use P |
| 03:13.02 | tictac | ahh. |
| 03:13.18 | Guerin | tictac: even things which are useful on a console-only machine use x libs - like emacs, imagemagick, etc. |
| 03:13.23 | deadcat | one of the best software ever |
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| 03:15.14 | caphuso | ke6isf: to prevent "argument list too long" errors when you have a 3000 orphaned packages to remove :) |
| 03:15.32 | ke6isf | caphuso: Ah, that makes sense. |
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| 03:16.14 | tictac | Guerin: sure, but who actually uses emacs? :P |
| 03:16.21 | caphuso | tictac: emacs users |
| 03:16.36 | pipline | tiCo89: I do, when I have to. |
| 03:16.37 | streuner | hehe |
| 03:16.37 | Guerin | tictac: anyone who wants to get anything done with large text files |
| 03:16.43 | pipline | tictac: I do, when I have to. |
| 03:16.44 | diana | !start an editor war |
| 03:16.44 | dpkg | vim sucks |
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| 03:16.51 | ke6isf | ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR. |
| 03:16.57 | pipline | Guerin: Balderdash. When your text gets really big, you move over to framemaker :P |
| 03:16.57 | cycom | dpkg: YO MAMMA |
| 03:16.58 | dpkg | *sob* don't you talk about my mamma! |
| 03:17.05 | Guerin | pipline: haha |
| 03:17.07 | cycom | hehe |
| 03:17.09 | resiak | Guerin: emacs21-nox ? |
| 03:17.21 | Guerin | resiak: oh, sure. |
| 03:17.36 | cycom | heh. this should be good. it's about to try to autodetect my video hardware |
| 03:17.51 | pipline | Guerin: I'm not kidding. What do you think Adobe continues to sell it for? |
| 03:17.52 | Guerin | !bless cycom |
| 03:17.52 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child cycom, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:18.18 | Guerin | pipline: oh, no, I remember ... it's a joy to use on a color LC II with 2MB ram. |
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| 03:18.33 | pipline | Guerin: Heh, Framemaker was available on Solaris for a reason. |
| 03:18.51 | AzCowboy | Can anyone help with madwifi and wpasupplicant? |
| 03:18.59 | AzCowboy | I'm about to tear my hair out. |
| 03:19.05 | ke6isf | AzCowboy: Just ask your question. |
| 03:19.16 | Guerin | AzCowboy: tear your card out instead, and buy a supported one. |
| 03:19.19 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 03:19.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:20.09 | warohs | hello all |
| 03:20.15 | AzCowboy | It took me 6 hours to get it working originally.... now I had to reinstall, and I can't for the life of me get it to work. |
| 03:20.18 | cycom | hrm...how will I right click with a touch screen? |
| 03:20.23 | AzCowboy | It was working perfectly before. |
| 03:20.32 | Guerin | AzCowboy: re .. install? What is this 'reinstall' of which you speak? |
| 03:21.09 | AzCowboy | I trashed my system. Reinstalled Linux from the cd, fdisk, the whole nine yards. |
| 03:21.16 | AzCowboy | Now I can't get the wireless working again. |
| 03:21.27 | AzCowboy | It looks right, but it just scans and scans... |
| 03:21.46 | AzCowboy | if I use iwconfig, it will show the ssid, but no mac, then after a couple seconds, the freq starts scanning. |
| 03:21.58 | ke6isf | AzCowboy: Why in tarnations did you do a foolish thing like reinstall your system?! |
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| 03:22.12 | warohs | I want to get Debian for Acer TravelMate 4400 with AMD Turion 64 and ATI Mobility Radeon X700. Anyone have ideas? |
| 03:22.13 | ke6isf | AzCowboy: What version of Debian are you using? |
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| 03:22.31 | AzCowboy | Kubuntu, it's based on Debian |
| 03:22.32 | ke6isf | warohs: Yeah, get Debian for it. |
| 03:22.43 | ke6isf | AzCowboy: And it's not Debian, despite the basis. |
| 03:22.45 | AzCowboy | The debian install CD locked up. |
| 03:23.09 | warohs | ubuntu is 64bit? |
| 03:23.14 | AzCowboy | No |
| 03:23.30 | ke6isf | warohs: That's an Ubuntu question. |
| 03:23.35 | AzCowboy | At least, mine's not. |
| 03:23.51 | pipline | warohs: #ubuntu |
| 03:23.55 | pipline | warohs: It's a very active channel. |
| 03:24.00 | sched | Wanderer, check in this site http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/acer.html |
| 03:24.03 | warohs | I want pure 64-bit, and prefer Debian bc of past experience |
| 03:24.22 | ke6isf | !amd64 |
| 03:24.23 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:24.25 | sched | warohs, check in this site http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/acer.html |
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| 03:24.47 | warohs | sched |
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| 03:25.00 | warohs | sched: 4400 not listed. |
| 03:25.19 | ke6isf | !laptop |
| 03:25.19 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 03:25.29 | lofdev | can anyone give me a quick hint about makeing module-assistant work with 2.6.14 headers? what symlink do I need? |
| 03:25.54 | sched | Wanderer, ops, it's truth, sorry |
| 03:26.06 | sched | warohs, ops, it's truth, sorry |
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| 03:27.02 | warohs | thanks all, I'm out. |
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| 03:27.47 | lofdev | can anyone give me a quick hint about makeing module-assistant work with 2.6.14 headers? what symlink do I need? |
| 03:27.55 | tictac | !repeat |
| 03:27.55 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:28.11 | lofdev | thanks dpkg. |
| 03:28.11 | dpkg | lofdev: no problem |
| 03:28.26 | lofdev | dpkg: that was sarcasm |
| 03:28.39 | Guerin | lofdev: irc bots aren't good at sarcasm. |
| 03:28.43 | Guerin | sorry |
| 03:28.48 | Guerin | lofdev: irc bots are really good at sarcasm. |
| 03:28.54 | lofdev | Guerin: I know it. it made me feel better, though |
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| 03:29.17 | lofdev | Guerin: I know you' |
| 03:29.25 | beardy | It made me feel worse. |
| 03:29.34 | lofdev | Guerin: re a debian pro. any idea? |
| 03:30.05 | Guerin | lofdev: i don't know about m-a, since I don't have any stupid hardware. |
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| 03:32.42 | lofdev | Guerin: It looks like someone changed the kernel source directory to support hurd, but no one changed the path in m-a. some days running linux is more trouble than it's worth. |
| 03:32.51 | Guerin | hah |
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| 03:34.02 | bucky | lofdev, which module.. nvidia? |
| 03:34.54 | lofdev | bucky: ndiswrapper, but it should apply to everything, since it's looking for kernel-sources after setting up linux-sources... |
| 03:35.19 | bucky | lofdev, did you build your own kernel? |
| 03:35.39 | lofdev | bucky: nope. using stock 2.6.14. |
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| 03:38.04 | lofdev | bucky: I'm getting a 'binary package(s) for kernel... 2.6.14 not found. after watching m-a d/l (using apt) the source, which I can see in /usr/src/ |
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| 03:38.30 | lofdev | bucky: sorry. the error stops between "found." and "after" |
| 03:38.53 | colk | you may not be able to use m-a on a stock kernel from kernel.org without using kernel-package |
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| 03:39.15 | bucky | lofdev, linux-source-2.6.12 will install /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2 |
| 03:40.15 | alexandro | I have a powerbook g4 and recently installed debian |
| 03:40.21 | alexandro | a have sound |
| 03:40.23 | lofdev | bucky: ok. |
| 03:40.26 | alexandro | but when |
| 03:40.29 | alexandro | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.40 | bucky | then you should untar it and most modules like you to at least cp /boot/config-2.6.14 /usr/src/linux-2.6.14/.config and at least do a make bzImage |
| 03:40.52 | bucky | export KERNEL_SOURCE_PATH=/usr/src/linux-2.6.14 |
| 03:41.12 | alexandro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.38 | alexandro | sends me a msg |
| 03:41.48 | lofdev | bucky: I don't want to config a kernel. I need to tell m-a where my source is. I need to make a symlink redirecting where m-a expects it, which points to where it is. |
| 03:41.57 | alexandro | no control volumes/device foun |
| 03:42.20 | lofdev | alexandro: did you install gnome-applets |
| 03:42.21 | bucky | lofdev apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 03:42.26 | cyzie | hi guys, when i do ls in remote ftp. i always get this error, "Cannot create a data connection: No route to host" can anybody help please? |
| 03:42.27 | alexandro | yes |
| 03:42.50 | alexandro | a have a wheather applet |
| 03:42.59 | alexandro | weather applet |
| 03:43.04 | alexandro | sorry |
| 03:44.28 | lofdev | bucky: strange, but that's the problem. M-A didn't install the kernel source. |
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| 03:45.39 | lofdev | alexandro: you have alsa working, right? |
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| 03:45.49 | alexandro | yes |
| 03:46.07 | alexandro | i have gstream0.8-alsa installed |
| 03:46.45 | lofdev | alexandro: try `gst-register0.8` and see if it changes anything |
| 03:47.04 | alexandro | ok thank u |
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| 03:49.13 | JoshTriplett | Anyone running current unstable and getting messages from gstreamer-using applications like: 'alsasink' failed, falling back to osssink (no element "alsasink"). |
| 03:49.21 | JoshTriplett | Just started recently. |
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| 03:50.55 | Stradivari | hola |
| 03:51.29 | takatumi | so no more bots? |
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| 03:54.16 | alexandro | sorry the dummy question but what is gst-regiter0.8 |
| 03:54.22 | abrotman | takatumi: not the ones connecting to irc.freenode.net :) |
| 03:54.43 | lofdev | alexandro: it makes sure gstreamer knows about all the modules it can use. |
| 03:54.56 | takatumi | abrotman: the next question is when is the botfarm getting an update. |
| 03:55.00 | mxktmdude | when i do apt-get update, i get a few failed to fetch, and bad header line errors on http://debian.mines.inpl-nancy.fr/ entries |
| 03:55.08 | mxktmdude | how do i fix that |
| 03:55.22 | colk | add another apt-souce |
| 03:55.28 | colk | source rather |
| 03:55.32 | apprentice | how do i choose my window manager? in the console |
| 03:55.36 | takatumi | / unignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 03:55.53 | abrotman | no? |
| 03:55.57 | astronut | hmm...is it just me, or is rm a lot faster on fat32 than ext3? |
| 03:56.19 | takatumi | apprentice: startx? |
| 03:56.21 | colk | probly ext3 has a journal to update as well |
| 03:56.30 | JoshTriplett | apprentice: Systemwide? update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 03:56.49 | alexandro | ok i understand, but where do I run it |
| 03:56.59 | JoshTriplett | apprentice: For just you? edit ~/.xsession |
| 03:57.03 | apprentice | update-alternative--config x-window-manager? |
| 03:57.16 | takatumi | apprentice: yes, in the console, as root. |
| 03:57.22 | abrotman | but add a space |
| 03:57.22 | apprentice | ok |
| 03:57.28 | astronut | colk: i'm talking WAY faster...like orders of magnitude |
| 03:57.37 | abrotman | i mean .. you could just type in exactly what JoshTriplett said ... |
| 03:57.41 | JoshTriplett | astronut: How big are the files? |
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| 03:58.14 | astronut | JoshTriplett: total of 107 gig or so? |
| 03:58.14 | takatumi | astronut: do a comparison, put in on some site, and then raise the flag. |
| 03:58.19 | JoshTriplett | astronut: Ah. :) |
| 03:58.20 | abrotman | astronut: do you know how fat erases files ? |
| 03:58.25 | astronut | abrotman: yes |
| 03:58.33 | astronut | it removes the entries from the FAT |
| 03:58.40 | JoshTriplett | astronut: Many files in a big directory tree (rm -rf) or a few big files? |
| 03:58.41 | astronut | i would have thought ext# would be the same |
| 03:58.57 | astronut | JoshTriplett: many big files in a big directory tree |
| 03:59.04 | JoshTriplett | astronut: Ah; known problem. :) |
| 03:59.04 | abrotman | astronut: how does FAT erase files ? |
| 03:59.05 | lofdev | alexandro: run from shell as root. |
| 03:59.14 | astronut | abrotman: see above...it just modifies the table |
| 03:59.22 | alexandro | i did it |
| 03:59.24 | astronut | ie, complete stargate sg-1, lots of other tv eps, movies, software, etc |
| 03:59.26 | abrotman | astronut: no |
| 03:59.34 | _Roey | HI |
| 03:59.37 | abrotman | LO |
| 03:59.39 | astronut | my "data i won't shed tears over" hard drive |
| 03:59.41 | _Roey | HOW ARE ALL |
| 03:59.49 | astronut | VERY GOOD YOU |
| 03:59.53 | alexandro | but displays me "command not found" |
| 03:59.54 | lofdev | does anyone here had a clue why kernel 2.6.14 fails to work with module-assistant? |
| 04:00.02 | _Roey | 200 OK |
| 04:00.04 | beardy | _Roey: Better when your CapsLock is off. |
| 04:00.08 | _Roey | ;) |
| 04:00.11 | alexandro | ok apt-get install gst-register0.8 |
| 04:00.13 | abrotman | astronut: IIRC .. FAT just renames the first character of the file |
| 04:00.13 | takatumi | lofdev: works here, what's wrong? how are you running it? |
| 04:00.20 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: Error message about Makefile.cpu? |
| 04:00.22 | astronut | abrotman: hmm |
| 04:00.25 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: Or similar? |
| 04:00.34 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: Fails to build modules? |
| 04:00.39 | _Roey | beardy: heh |
| 04:00.47 | lofdev | takatumi: i'm getting source/headers not found, etc errors |
| 04:00.56 | _Roey | abrotman: For some reason #debian is much warmer these days |
| 04:00.57 | takatumi | lofdev: ran m-a prepare? |
| 04:00.58 | lofdev | JoshTriplett: says it can't find headers. |
| 04:01.08 | lofdev | takatumi: yup. |
| 04:01.19 | JoshTriplett | takatumi: Which modules won't build? |
| 04:01.41 | alexandro | couldnt find gst-register0.8 |
| 04:01.50 | abrotman | _Roey: i peed in the channel |
| 04:01.56 | takatumi | JoshTriplett: everything builds here. ;) |
| 04:01.57 | JoshTriplett | alexandro: Need an extra dash; gst-register-0.8 |
| 04:02.04 | astronut | abrotman: apparently slow...0xE5 |
| 04:02.08 | astronut | so* |
| 04:02.10 | JoshTriplett | takatumi: Heh; sorry, wrong prefix. :) |
| 04:02.12 | astronut | what does ext3 do? |
| 04:02.15 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: Which modules won't build? |
| 04:02.44 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: That's right; it just sets the first character to '\0' |
| 04:02.52 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: i thought to ? |
| 04:02.53 | alexandro | :o |
| 04:02.54 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: That's why undeletion programs always ask you for the first character. :) |
| 04:02.58 | abrotman | or rather '?' |
| 04:03.00 | alexandro | thank u |
| 04:03.14 | lofdev | JoshTriplett: everything fails with source not found type errors. |
| 04:03.36 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: I thought it was a NUL, so that the filename was 0-length, which was synonymous with non-existent. |
| 04:03.41 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: ICBW, though. |
| 04:03.46 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: Strange. |
| 04:03.46 | astronut | JoshTriplett: i think 0xE5 not \0 (0x00), according to wikipedia |
| 04:04.05 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: and really .. does it matter? :) |
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| 04:04.24 | astronut | note to self, don't use ^w w/o chekcing focus |
| 04:04.38 | takatumi | lofdev: is the headers package installed? |
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| 04:05.07 | alexandro | sorry but Still msg "No volume control elements and/or devices found" |
| 04:05.34 | lofdev | takatumi: I've installed linux-headers... and linux-source... and there is something wrong... |
| 04:05.40 | alexandro | i have sound that's the strage i can listen videos |
| 04:05.55 | takatumi | lofdev: you don't need both linux-headers and linux-source |
| 04:05.57 | astronut | abrotman: wikipedia says E5, which is past standard...most common value is an arch like thing |
| 04:05.58 | alexandro | even in the gaim |
| 04:06.13 | alexandro | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.30 | abrotman | astronut: say waht ? |
| 04:06.37 | _Roey | abrotman: hehe |
| 04:06.42 | ke6isf | Marillat updated, film at eleven. |
| 04:06.45 | abrotman | !confuse me |
| 04:06.45 | lofdev | takatumi: apt-getting linux-headers did not fix, so I got linux-source |
| 04:06.45 | dpkg | No, how are my pineapple yesterday, abrotman? breeches of the monarchy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 04:06.59 | hammerabi | lofdev: what are you trying to compile? |
| 04:07.00 | astronut | abrotman: wikipedia says the first char is set to 0xE5 for deletion |
| 04:07.09 | takatumi | lofdev: m-a prepare should thake care of that. |
| 04:07.12 | abrotman | astronut: and what is E5 ? |
| 04:07.14 | lofdev | hammerabi: ndiswrapper vs. 2.6.14 |
| 04:07.14 | _Roey | abrotman: interestingly enough we spoke about peeing in the channel on OFTC's #vserver earlier today |
| 04:07.16 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: Did you build your own kernel? |
| 04:07.18 | astronut | which is not standard ascii...the most common extended character set has an arch like thing for it |
| 04:07.23 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: Or are you using the stock kernel? |
| 04:07.24 | hammerabi | lofdev: 2.6.14 from Debian? |
| 04:07.57 | astronut | asciitable.com, 239 |
| 04:07.59 | takatumi | even if you built your own kernel, m-a prepare takes care of creating the symlinks |
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| 04:08.16 | hammerabi | takatumi: where is m-a going to find the correct set of headers, in that case? |
| 04:08.30 | astronut | oops, 229 |
| 04:08.37 | takatumi | hammerabi: the source? |
| 04:08.40 | lofdev | hammerabi: yes. from debian. stock. m-a prepare did a bunch of d/-ing, but then no work-o. |
| 04:08.40 | astronut | lowercase sigma |
| 04:08.42 | JoshTriplett | takatumi: You have to build and install the headers package. |
| 04:08.55 | takatumi | JoshTriplett: nope, I don't do that. |
| 04:08.55 | hammerabi | takatumi: which they don't neccessarily have anymore |
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| 04:09.21 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: If you're using the stock kernel, did you make sure you're using the corresponding matching headers? |
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| 04:10.14 | JoshTriplett | lofdev: There are several flavors of stock kernel. |
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| 04:10.52 | apprentice | that didnt work |
| 04:10.54 | hammerabi | lofdev: what does 'dpkg -l linue-headers-$(uname -r) | tail -n1' say? |
| 04:10.56 | apprentice | is there antoehr way to set it |
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| 04:11.07 | astronut | abrotman: what's ext3 do for delete? |
| 04:11.21 | lofdev | JoshTriplett: I got the kernel on install defined as 2.6.14-1-686 |
| 04:11.39 | abrotman | astronut: puts it in the recycle bin |
| 04:11.50 | astronut | abrotman: lol |
| 04:12.03 | hammerabi | marks it as dead |
| 04:12.08 | hammerabi | and then aggressively overwrites it |
| 04:12.12 | hammerabi | undelete on ext3 = doomed |
| 04:12.34 | hammerabi | astronut: /msg dpkg ops |
| 04:12.37 | astronut | oh, it's ops list |
| 04:12.47 | astronut | hammerabi: ops just says use !ops for problem |
| 04:12.49 | astronut | ops list has a list |
| 04:12.53 | astronut | that ends in 'list' |
| 04:12.57 | astronut | which doesn't sound right |
| 04:13.01 | hammerabi | well, I meant /msg dpkg ops whatever |
| 04:13.02 | takatumi | hammerabi: m-a prepare links it so (lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 27 2005-12-17 07:11 /usr/src/linux -> /usr/local/src/linux-2.6.14) |
| 04:13.06 | astronut | unless there is an op here named list |
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| 04:13.18 | astronut | oh, nm |
| 04:13.20 | astronut | it's cause i said it |
| 04:13.21 | jbroome | who's on first |
| 04:13.27 | astronut | and he said it in pm |
| 04:13.29 | hammerabi | yes... |
| 04:13.30 | astronut | jbroome: what? |
| 04:13.34 | astronut | ;-) |
| 04:13.37 | mrgenixus | takatumi: apparently this is not the case with unconfigured kernel sources |
| 04:13.53 | mrgenixus | which is what you'll get it you just apt-get them, it seems |
| 04:13.55 | astronut | abrotman: you're not an op? |
| 04:14.08 | abrotman | astronut: do you think i should be? |
| 04:14.09 | hammerabi | takatumi: I guess only if /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ points at something that exists? |
| 04:14.13 | hammerabi | lofdev: ? |
| 04:14.22 | astronut | well, i see you on here a lot, offering valuable help, you've always seemed levelheaded |
| 04:14.34 | abrotman | astronut: nope . i'm not an op .. |
| 04:14.36 | astronut | and you seem to be very active and involved |
| 04:14.49 | lofdev | hammerabi: looking around my system... sorry. it says nothing is installed... |
| 04:14.51 | abrotman | astronut: it's because i don't like tomatoes |
| 04:15.01 | takatumi | hammerabi: probably. (lib/modules/2.6.14-31-10-05/build/) |
| 04:15.31 | lofdev | hammerabi: specifically 'No packages found matching linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686.' |
| 04:15.56 | takatumi | lofdev: what does m-a prepare say>? |
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| 04:17.03 | lofdev | takatumi: gimme a sec. I am remove --purging headers,source, and m-a. then will reinstall |
| 04:17.28 | hammerabi | lofdev: then you don't have the correct set of headers installed |
| 04:17.57 | apprentice | how how do i use ssh |
| 04:18.02 | apprentice | do i need to set something up |
| 04:18.06 | mrgenixus | apprentice: huh? |
| 04:18.06 | alexandro | lofdev: any other idea? |
| 04:18.21 | lofdev | hammerabi: seems reasonable to assume. just rm -rf everything in my /usr/src dir |
| 04:18.31 | mrgenixus | apprentice: can you be more specific? |
| 04:18.32 | hammerabi | that would be a terrible plan |
| 04:18.41 | takatumi | lofdev: you'll probably need to upgrade the kernel to -2-686 |
| 04:18.43 | lofdev | mrgenixus: help alexandro |
| 04:18.46 | mrgenixus | alexandro: refresh me on your problem, if you please |
| 04:18.54 | hammerabi | apprentice: to use the ssh client, just make sure you have ssh or openssh-client installed |
| 04:18.55 | alexandro | ok |
| 04:19.01 | alexandro | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.10 | alexandro | i have a powerbook |
| 04:19.12 | alexandro | g4 |
| 04:19.15 | apprentice | well i need to install suse on a lappy but the cd drive is fucked up so i dont know hwo to do it. i thought maybe vmware or some direct method |
| 04:19.31 | hammerabi | apprentice: what does any of that have to do with ssh? |
| 04:19.36 | takatumi | hammerabi: headers for 14-1-686 ain't available in sid. |
| 04:19.37 | mrgenixus | apprentice: so you want to install suse via ssh? and you're in #debian??? |
| 04:19.42 | hammerabi | what system produces urls with .lasso in them? |
| 04:19.44 | mrgenixus | apprentice: i'm confused |
| 04:19.49 | alexandro | so I installed |
| 04:19.54 | alexandro | debian |
| 04:19.59 | lofdev | takatumi: I suppose upgrading kernel is always a good idea...? |
| 04:19.59 | alexandro | i have sound |
| 04:20.07 | alexandro | i can hear videos |
| 04:20.09 | mrgenixus | alexandro: yes, would you prefer to have this conversation in pm? |
| 04:20.17 | apprentice | i need to install suse on a lappy but the cd drive is dead. how can i do it |
| 04:20.21 | hammerabi | alexandro: it might be simpler if you stop, and come up with your entire question at once |
| 04:20.24 | hammerabi | alexandro: #suse |
| 04:20.25 | hammerabi | bah |
| 04:20.30 | hammerabi | apprentice: #suse, this has nothing to do with Debian |
| 04:20.34 | mrgenixus | hammerabi: seriously, butt out |
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| 04:20.47 | takatumi | lofdev: there could be bugs at times, not sure if the yaird issue is still sorted out. |
| 04:21.00 | lofdev | yarid? |
| 04:21.04 | takatumi | s/still// |
| 04:21.17 | mrgenixus | alexandro: ok. |
| 04:21.25 | alexandro | ok i cannot add a gnome-volume-control, msg me No volume control elements and/or devices found. |
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| 04:22.04 | lofdev | takatumi: am installing 686-2 kernel... |
| 04:22.54 | mrgenixus | apprentice: still here? |
| 04:23.04 | JoshTriplett | alexandro: Same problem. |
| 04:23.16 | mrgenixus | JoshTriplett: same problem? |
| 04:23.48 | JoshTriplett | mrgenixus: gnome-volume-control "No volume control elements and/or devices found." |
| 04:24.09 | mrgenixus | JoshTriplett: alexandro join nvceadf |
| 04:24.17 | alexandro | ok |
| 04:25.09 | lofdev | takatumi: hammerabi: thanks. i'll return in a moment. rebooting |
| 04:25.24 | takatumi | lofdev: apt-get install reportbug; querybts yaird |
| 04:25.43 | takatumi | he won't be back in a jiffy |
| 04:25.49 | mrgenixus | takatumi: yeah he will |
| 04:25.54 | mrgenixus | he's sitting right behind me |
| 04:25.57 | takatumi | fixed? |
| 04:26.02 | mrgenixus | dunno yet |
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| 04:26.09 | takatumi | #343042 I meant. |
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| 04:27.31 | Thaiger | I installed fuse from the debian package and it created the user fuse for the program fusermount, but now programs that use fusermount say access denied and if I run it as root I can't get to it as my user. What do I need to do? |
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| 04:28.40 | mrgenixus | apprentice: hullo? |
| 04:28.48 | mrgenixus | alexandro: wb... |
| 04:28.55 | mrgenixus | alexandro: what happened? |
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| 04:33.13 | mrgenixus | lofdev apologizes he's not back, he's having to connect through my machine... and not being very successful as yet, he'll be back monetarily |
| 04:33.28 | takatumi | mrgenixus: did the machine boot? |
| 04:33.30 | dbw-LAPTOP | can anyone recommend a browser that supports CSS and is faster/lighter than firefox? |
| 04:33.34 | mrgenixus | takatumi: yeah |
| 04:33.49 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: no |
| 04:33.58 | dbw-LAPTOP | mrgenixus: :P |
| 04:34.02 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: safari maybe |
| 04:34.06 | mrgenixus | doubt it |
| 04:34.18 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: what did you expect |
| 04:34.20 | hammerabi | opera may be lighter |
| 04:34.23 | takatumi | dbw-LAPTOP: opera but it's non-free and closed |
| 04:34.26 | mrgenixus | hammerabi: I wouldn't bet on it |
| 04:34.35 | mrgenixus | takatumi: so... who are you? RMS? |
| 04:34.42 | hammerabi | opera, safari/konq, IE and gecko are about the only engines with useful css support |
| 04:34.44 | dbw-LAPTOP | mrgenixus: you are very hostile. |
| 04:34.57 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: thanks |
| 04:34.57 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: sorry I came across that way |
| 04:35.20 | dbw-LAPTOP | mrgenixus: i am not RMS, and i care about Free software |
| 04:35.22 | hammerabi | dbw-LAPTOP: dillo may have basic css support these days |
| 04:35.24 | mrgenixus | I just think the non-free response is silly in a practical reality-concious world |
| 04:35.28 | mrgenixus | hammerabi: good point |
| 04:35.33 | hammerabi | not at all |
| 04:35.36 | mrgenixus | I think links -G does ok too |
| 04:35.38 | takatumi | mrgenixus: no, but I agree with some of his concepts/ |
| 04:35.44 | hammerabi | I'm no zealot, I prefer to avoid non-free software for practical reasons |
| 04:35.46 | dbw-LAPTOP | hmm, dillo... |
| 04:36.00 | dbw-LAPTOP | forgot about dillo... probably *too* lightweight |
| 04:36.05 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: why... perhaps that wil help provide more helpful responses |
| 04:36.10 | hammerabi | dbw-LAPTOP: if you're already using kde, konq at least avoids loading another 5 TB of libraries |
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| 04:36.42 | mrgenixus | hammerabi: but by the same token, he wanted css support, which I suppose is passable, but only that at best |
| 04:37.05 | hammerabi | I'd agree with you a couple of years ago, I don't know how much safari code has come back |
| 04:37.27 | takatumi | sharing code with konqy |
| 04:37.30 | dbw-LAPTOP | mrgenixus: because my laptop is not exactly a processor and memory powerhouse, but i want to be able to look at my own website without wanting to gouge my eyes out |
| 04:37.44 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: no kde or me... |
| 04:37.47 | mrgenixus | hammerabi: I understood it was sort of like a baby on the doorstep, sort of sweet and cute but really a pain in the sceme of things and a long way from usable in the form provided |
| 04:37.49 | dbw-LAPTOP | s/or/for |
| 04:38.06 | takatumi | mrgenixus: what is? |
| 04:38.09 | mrgenixus | KDE != lightweight |
| 04:38.24 | mrgenixus | takatumi: safari -> khtml backport |
| 04:38.25 | hammerabi | yes, indeed |
| 04:38.37 | hammerabi | but if you're using KDE already, konq avoids loading GDK and gecko |
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| 04:38.57 | mrgenixus | hammerabi: but on a slow system, I bet he's using something like *box |
| 04:39.09 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: exactly how slow? |
| 04:39.23 | dbw-LAPTOP | well, when the load is down, 175MHz |
| 04:39.29 | alephnull | I want to modify the netinst ISO to use a different kernel and ramdisk. So, I've replaced them now, but I need to know where the boot image is to create a bootable ISO now. |
| 04:39.35 | dbw-LAPTOP | but at top speed, 1.4GHz |
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| 04:39.50 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: that's not so bad... I'm not sure what you're coplaining about |
| 04:40.05 | dbw-LAPTOP | well... i'd rather not scale my cpu up to max to look at some html |
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| 04:40.08 | mrgenixus | unless you're not using GFX acceleration ro have less than 320MB ram |
| 04:40.20 | dbw-LAPTOP | 256 |
| 04:40.30 | dbw-LAPTOP | i use ion3, by the way |
| 04:40.31 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: you could try seeing if links-G will do it for you? it may only work in FB though |
| 04:40.42 | mrgenixus | ion3? whazat? |
| 04:40.55 | dbw-LAPTOP | mrgenixus: ah, hmm... good idea, though i'm loathe to leave X with this widescreen |
| 04:41.23 | fishhead | is the closest he has ever been to smashing his palm t5 into pieces |
| 04:41.24 | hammerabi | heh, I use ion3 on my year-old laptop for speed |
| 04:41.29 | hammerabi | paging sucks |
| 04:41.36 | vyrus001 | anybody got a good web validator? |
| 04:41.47 | hammerabi | vyrus001: validate from w3c-tools |
| 04:41.53 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: what's the gfx card? |
| 04:42.07 | dbw-LAPTOP | mrgenixus: integrated... i think it's an intel 855 chipset |
| 04:42.11 | mrgenixus | vyrus001: the one in the firefox webdev toolbar's ok, I think it's the w3c one |
| 04:42.15 | fishhead | if this was a car company selling a product of this quality, little old ladies would be pipe bombing palm hq's |
| 04:42.21 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: sorry to hear that |
| 04:42.21 | dbw-LAPTOP | shared memory of course |
| 04:42.23 | hammerabi | vyrus001: I lie, wdg-html-validator |
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| 04:42.35 | vyrus001 | mrgenixus: cant use that one for firefox... deer-park 2.5 |
| 04:42.35 | mrgenixus | but you might get decent fb/X similsupport |
| 04:42.46 | vyrus001 | mrgenixus: deer-park 1.5* |
| 04:42.54 | dbw-LAPTOP | how the hell do i get fb in X? |
| 04:43.09 | hammerabi | you can't |
| 04:43.24 | hammerabi | you could run links in qemu! |
| 04:43.29 | dbw-LAPTOP | *grunt |
| 04:43.38 | mrgenixus | hammerabi: now that's a silly idea |
| 04:43.42 | hammerabi | also, "I might be wrong" is a really good radiohead album |
| 04:43.49 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: meh. |
| 04:43.52 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: and meh. |
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| 04:44.04 | mrgenixus | vyrus001: oh... |
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| 04:44.18 | hammerabi | better than a smack in the face from thom yorke |
| 04:44.30 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 04:44.34 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: yes.... but so is a yoko ono album :P |
| 04:44.38 | Guerin | hammerabi: dunno, i reckon he looks like a bit of a wuss |
| 04:45.01 | Guerin | not like a smack from ... say ... Chuck D. |
| 04:45.10 | mrgenixus | ***lofdev curses debian -- something about debian being like this every time one tries to do something out of the ordinary |
| 04:45.11 | Pupeno | How do I get a recent debian/rules template ? |
| 04:45.21 | dbw-LAPTOP | HOLY CRAP! |
| 04:45.26 | hammerabi | yeah, I wouldn't want to mess with chuck d. or terminator x, that turntable looks heavy. |
| 04:45.27 | dbw-LAPTOP | links2 -G in X... USES X! |
| 04:45.29 | hammerabi | Pupeno: dh_make |
| 04:45.30 | Guerin | Pupeno: #debian-mentors |
| 04:45.30 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: what is? |
| 04:45.32 | hammerabi | hah |
| 04:45.40 | Guerin | hammerabi: flava flav would be easy though |
| 04:45.49 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: does it do the proc hit? |
| 04:46.03 | fishhead | I love that beer commercial with flava flav |
| 04:46.11 | fishhead | judge> i'll allow it |
| 04:46.22 | fishhead | flava flav + attoney in sync > YEAH BOY! |
| 04:46.24 | dbw-LAPTOP | mrgenixus: does it do the WHAT? |
| 04:46.29 | hammerabi | Guerin: just don't let him hit you with the clock |
| 04:46.47 | Guerin | hammerabi: yeah ... your time would really be up if he did that |
| 04:46.55 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: sorry: in english: does it take a lot of processor? or does it manage to do that using only 175Mgz? |
| 04:47.00 | dbw-LAPTOP | anyway, it's cool and better than dillo. still doesn't use css |
| 04:47.06 | Guerin | what's a mgz? |
| 04:47.16 | dbw-LAPTOP | mhz, you schmuck :P |
| 04:47.31 | dbw-LAPTOP | (Guerin is the schmuck, not mrgenixus) |
| 04:47.37 | mrgenixus | i'm not a shmuckk |
| 04:47.50 | mrgenixus | I juss cant spill |
| 04:48.02 | hammerabi | we're not scaremongering, this is really happening! |
| 04:48.04 | dbw-LAPTOP | they have pills for that now |
| 04:48.13 | mrgenixus | dbw-LAPTOP: ?? |
| 04:48.27 | dbw-LAPTOP | inability to ... um ... "spill" |
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| 04:49.00 | raden | when was the server changed from irc.freenode.net ? |
| 04:49.08 | lofdev | hey all: thanks for the help. I'm going off to throw things (or drink)... |
| 04:49.15 | Duelist | raden: when was what server changed from irc.freenode.net? |
| 04:49.17 | dbw-LAPTOP | bye |
| 04:49.18 | hammerabi | you can do both |
| 04:49.27 | dbw-LAPTOP | thanks for y'all's help, too... i'm off |
| 04:49.32 | raden | Duelist, cant connect via irc.freenode.net anymore |
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| 04:50.39 | Duelist | raden: it's possible your DNS server sucks moose balls and can't do round robin DNS resolution properly |
| 04:50.47 | fishhead | if they ever port dillo to palm os |
| 04:50.53 | fishhead | or linux boots on my t5 |
| 04:50.56 | finlay | sorry what is better than dillo? |
| 04:50.56 | fishhead | I am there in a second |
| 04:51.01 | raden | Duelist, you cant connect via irc.freenode.net due to bots |
| 04:51.05 | dbw-LAPTOP | finlay: links2 -G |
| 04:51.09 | fishhead | finlay most full browsers |
| 04:51.12 | Duelist | oh...? |
| 04:51.15 | fishhead | but they can't compete in dillo space |
| 04:51.21 | fishhead | so it's not fair to compare them |
| 04:51.34 | Duelist | fucking kids and their penile compensator botnets |
| 04:51.57 | raden | Duelist, http://freenode.net/news.shtml |
| 04:52.16 | finlay | I like dillo for its lack of flash support as much as its speed |
| 04:52.23 | raden | Duelist, spent last 40 min couldnt figure out why i couldnt connect and ive been connected for like 21 days straight soo i was like WTF |
| 04:52.37 | Duelist | finlay: try 'rm libflashplayer.so' sometime |
| 04:52.53 | finlay | will have a look at Links2, thanks |
| 04:53.03 | Duelist | or, even Privoxy's Flash killer |
| 04:53.14 | raden | why do people plant bots ? |
| 04:53.14 | Duelist | I love seeing source with <!-- Squished Shockwave Object --> |
| 04:55.20 | finlay | Duelist: yep |
| 04:55.34 | Duelist | irc.{us,ca,au,eu}.freenode.net all work still |
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| 04:57.57 | Guerin | or just don't fucking install flash |
| 04:57.59 | Guerin | i mean |
| 04:58.10 | Guerin | hoinestly, you complain about something you CHOSE to install? |
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| 04:58.33 | hammerabi | the totem plugin is worse |
| 04:59.02 | Guerin | everything about totem is bad |
| 04:59.06 | Guerin | so this doesn't surprise me |
| 04:59.09 | hammerabi | "Hi, this page embedded a movie. you know what would be more annoying than me just playing it? WHAT IF CRASHED FIREFOX FOR YOU? HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT, USER-BOY?" |
| 04:59.58 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:00.47 | hammerabi | I suspect totem was sent back in time to annoy me |
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| 05:04.02 | AgentJ87 | hi |
| 05:04.05 | AgentJ87 | anyon here |
| 05:04.14 | hammerabi | no |
| 05:04.16 | Caelum | heh |
| 05:04.23 | AgentJ87 | i need sum help guys |
| 05:04.27 | hammerabi | that's our subtle mocking way of encouraging you to read the FAQ |
| 05:04.28 | hammerabi | or the topic |
| 05:04.32 | hammerabi | or the on-join message |
| 05:05.16 | Guerin | AgentJ87: It looks like your keyboard is broken. Would you like to: |
| 05:05.17 | AgentJ87 | im a b00b to debian |
| 05:05.26 | Guerin | * buy a new keyboard? |
| 05:05.30 | AgentJ87 | noob even |
| 05:05.32 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: you need to ask your question... |
| 05:05.37 | AgentJ87 | ok |
| 05:05.43 | AgentJ87 | i just got a linux debian server |
| 05:05.44 | Guerin | * Lear to fucking type like someone who's not a complete retard? |
| 05:05.46 | hammerabi | you could have got an answer by now and be passed out on the ground after smoking a opium pipe |
| 05:05.47 | AgentJ87 | with apc control panel |
| 05:05.52 | Guerin | learn, even. |
| 05:05.55 | AgentJ87 | i logged in via putty |
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| 05:06.11 | AgentJ87 | it it takes me to control panel |
| 05:06.17 | AgentJ87 | im not sure what to do from there |
| 05:06.22 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: bear in mind there's no "apc control panel" (whatever that is) in Debian, so if you need help with that, you need to talk to whoever you're paying for this server |
| 05:06.23 | Guerin | AgentJ87: contact your host |
| 05:06.24 | AgentJ87 | i log in with telnet not ssh |
| 05:06.26 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: as above then |
| 05:06.31 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: do not login with telnet, ever |
| 05:06.35 | Guerin | AgentJ87: debian doesn't install any control panels or such by default. |
| 05:06.38 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:06.46 | AgentJ87 | ok |
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| 05:06.47 | Guerin | AgentJ87: cancel your account with that host |
| 05:07.03 | AgentJ87 | lemme give u detailson my serv |
| 05:07.05 | apprentice | what is the dev thingie for a floppy like hda for a hard drive |
| 05:07.11 | Guerin | AgentJ87: if they allow you to log in using telnet, they're not worth paying money to. |
| 05:07.20 | Guerin | AgentJ87: no, we don't care. |
| 05:07.24 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: if your question is about APC, you're in the wrong place, sorry. you need to talk to whoever you are paying for this server. |
| 05:07.30 | Guerin | AgentJ87: this is not a debian problem, this is a problem with your host. |
| 05:07.40 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: since APC is not in Debian, not part of Debian, apparently not free software, and also apparently utter crap. |
| 05:07.50 | AgentJ87 | i c |
| 05:07.53 | hammerabi | apprentice: /dev/fd0, generally |
| 05:07.53 | Guerin | woah, telnet |
| 05:08.04 | Guerin | the 1970s called, they want their remote access method back |
| 05:08.52 | apprentice | thxs |
| 05:09.13 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: this isn't APC as in the UPS company, is it? |
| 05:10.38 | AgentJ87 | no |
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| 05:11.01 | AgentJ87 | anyone uses leaseweb |
| 05:11.58 | AgentJ87 | is there anything i need to config in putty |
| 05:12.02 | AgentJ87 | befor ei use it |
| 05:12.06 | AgentJ87 | besides ip and port |
| 05:12.09 | Guerin | !anyone use leaseweb |
| 05:12.09 | dpkg | No, no one uses leaseweb, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:12.16 | Guerin | AgentJ87: ask your host. |
| 05:12.25 | Guerin | AgentJ87: really. I'm not joking. |
| 05:12.35 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: it really sounds like you need to talk to the people you're paying money to |
| 05:12.40 | Guerin | actually, my previous advice holds truer: cancel your account. |
| 05:13.46 | AgentJ87 | lol |
| 05:13.53 | AgentJ87 | ok |
| 05:14.11 | hammerabi | even offering telnet is a sign that they're either clueless or appealing to a very odd market segment |
| 05:14.22 | Guerin | s/odd/braindead/ |
| 05:14.24 | hammerabi | assuming you meant earlier that you were logging in over the internet via telnet, not ssh |
| 05:14.37 | AgentJ87 | im using putty |
| 05:14.51 | AgentJ87 | to log in |
| 05:15.21 | colk | ewww telnet |
| 05:15.37 | colk | i havent even had telnetd installed on any of my servers in a while |
| 05:15.58 | takatumi | AgentJ87: on windows? |
| 05:16.09 | AgentJ87 | yes |
| 05:16.16 | takatumi | makes it even worse. |
| 05:16.50 | colk | and the private key is on a secure usb key |
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| 05:18.14 | hammerabi | ugh, yogo is worse than I remember |
| 05:18.17 | agrathwohl | Hi guys. Does anybody know of a testing main apt repository for amd64 that has the LAME encoder available to retrieve? I really need help!! |
| 05:18.45 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: get the source from marillat, compile it |
| 05:18.51 | hammerabi | ie apt-get -b source lame |
| 05:18.53 | takatumi | agrathwohl: can't buid it? |
| 05:19.06 | takatumi | s/buid/build |
| 05:19.17 | agrathwohl | Well I get an error when doing apt-get install lame |
| 05:19.22 | agrathwohl | That it isn't available or obsolete. |
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| 05:19.34 | takatumi | agrathwohl: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:19.46 | colk | why is /etc/network/options obslete now |
| 05:20.13 | hammerabi | what was it for? |
| 05:20.22 | agrathwohl | takatumi: Neat, is this like an unofficial repository? |
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| 05:21.02 | bouh | hi everyone |
| 05:21.03 | takatumi | agrathwohl: yes. |
| 05:21.03 | colk | it enabled ip_foward |
| 05:21.07 | colk | and some other stuff |
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| 05:21.29 | agrathwohl | takatumi: I am a little confused. Do I use the etch amd64 repositories? My sources.list only lists 'testing main' repositories' |
| 05:21.41 | AgentJ87 | hey guys |
| 05:21.48 | hammerabi | colk: kernel options go in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 05:21.50 | AgentJ87 | turns out i have too ips |
| 05:21.52 | takatumi | agrathwohl: try #debian-amd64 |
| 05:21.58 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: "two" |
| 05:21.58 | AgentJ87 | one is for the control panel |
| 05:21.59 | colk | oh |
| 05:22.03 | AgentJ87 | one for network |
| 05:22.16 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:22.16 | AgentJ87 | and 1 pass for control panel 1 for root |
| 05:22.21 | AgentJ87 | weird |
| 05:22.29 | agrathwohl | Meh, okay |
| 05:22.29 | hammerabi | that's a stupid waste of ip addresses |
| 05:22.43 | hammerabi | but this is still a "your host sucks" problem, not a Debian one |
| 05:23.32 | agrathwohl | takatumi: They never respond over there =/ |
| 05:24.01 | colk | I actually found a fairly good dedicated server provider |
| 05:24.22 | takatumi | agrathwohl: read the mailing lists? |
| 05:24.56 | agrathwohl | takatumi: Well, you really don't know what I'd put for a testing AMD64 build in my sources.list? |
| 05:25.19 | colk | !testing |
| 05:25.19 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 05:25.21 | agrathwohl | I just need something that will allow me to get LAME - I never had this problem with Gentoo :( |
| 05:25.26 | takatumi | agrathwohl: what for? to install lame? |
| 05:25.35 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: ... |
| 05:25.35 | bouh | colk: sorry I just arrived, but may I suggest that you have a direct connection to you provider's router, and the IP in the control panel is actually the provider's router IP (like at my work) |
| 05:25.43 | Guerin | agrathwohl: that's because gentoo has lax patent policy |
| 05:25.50 | Guerin | !lame |
| 05:25.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 05:25.55 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: add the deb-src line for marillat to /etc/apt/sources.list, run 'sudo apt-get build-dep lame', 'apt-get source -b lame', all done |
| 05:26.01 | Guerin | huh |
| 05:26.12 | Guerin | you don't need to bfs |
| 05:26.15 | colk | i dont use a control panel bouh |
| 05:26.25 | takatumi | Guerin: for amd64 I believe so yes. |
| 05:26.30 | hammerabi | Guerin: for amd64? |
| 05:26.30 | Guerin | takatumi: oh, amd64 |
| 05:26.31 | colk | its a physical box |
| 05:26.35 | Guerin | muh |
| 05:27.00 | Guerin | three nines of people with amd64 machines should be using i386 anyway |
| 05:27.04 | bouh | sorry colk |
| 05:27.04 | agrathwohl | hammerabi: But the deb-src is for sid |
| 05:27.23 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: so? |
| 05:27.24 | bouh | previous sentence was dedicated to AjentJ87 |
| 05:27.31 | agrathwohl | Well I use testing - hoary right? |
| 05:27.39 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: uh |
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| 05:27.48 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: you're using debian etch, right? |
| 05:27.53 | Guerin | !kill agrathwohl |
| 05:27.56 | Tortel | hoary is ubuntu |
| 05:27.58 | Guerin | no, he's using fucking ubuntu |
| 05:28.03 | takatumi | heh |
| 05:28.06 | hammerabi | or he/she is confused |
| 05:28.08 | hammerabi | hence my question |
| 05:28.25 | bouh | Guerin: please... |
| 05:28.27 | agrathwohl | Yes, I'm confused then. I'm sorry, but I'm very new to the Debian world and need a little help. |
| 05:28.39 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: are you using Debian Etch aka testing or not? |
| 05:28.46 | agrathwohl | Yes, I am running testing. |
| 05:28.59 | takatumi | agrathwohl: nothing from hoary? |
| 05:29.04 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: then what was your reference to hoary? |
| 05:29.09 | agrathwohl | I was confused was al. |
| 05:29.10 | agrathwohl | all* |
| 05:29.19 | agrathwohl | I really am new to this, I just am not familiar with all of these odd nicknames and such. |
| 05:29.25 | takatumi | rolling in dirt now eh? |
| 05:29.34 | bouh | agrathwohl: hoary is ubuntu's previous release |
| 05:29.42 | Caelum | if I'm getting more "hda: lost interrupt" messages than I did before, does that mean it's time to make frequent backups? |
| 05:29.43 | agrathwohl | No, just really fucking desperate to get LAME encoder so I can finally get my band's recordings on disc. |
| 05:30.02 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: marillat has amd64 packages... |
| 05:30.13 | Guerin | bouh: you're welcome |
| 05:30.14 | takatumi | there you go, even easier. |
| 05:30.15 | hammerabi | Caelum: it could just be DMA failing |
| 05:30.17 | bouh | agrathwohl: that's why we must make sure u have a debian, to address the right problem |
| 05:30.31 | bouh | Guerin: :) |
| 05:30.42 | agrathwohl | bouh: I have Debian. I installed via netinstall disc from Debian's website. |
| 05:30.49 | bouh | ok ;) |
| 05:30.55 | hammerabi | ah, no for testing |
| 05:31.09 | colk | heh i guess I should have changed from testing to stable on my other machine |
| 05:31.30 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: add 'deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main' to /etc/apt/sources.list, run 'sudo apt-get update', then 'sudo apt-get build-dep lame', then 'apt-get source -b lame' |
| 05:31.32 | Tortel | they block 50-75% of debina.. |
| 05:31.43 | takatumi | suckage. |
| 05:31.48 | Tortel | yes. |
| 05:32.00 | Tortel | then I had fun making gnome work on sarge |
| 05:32.01 | Tortel | :) |
| 05:32.46 | Tortel | and ive been much more sucesful with debian than ubuntu |
| 05:32.47 | agrathwohl | hammerabi: Awesome, thanks so much! |
| 05:32.55 | agrathwohl | It's actually doing something this time :) |
| 05:33.01 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 609] by debhelper |
| 05:33.19 | takatumi | agrathwohl: enjoy! |
| 05:33.27 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: the first two steps tell apt to find out about that apt source, the third tells it to install build-dependences, the last downloads and builds it |
| 05:33.33 | agrathwohl | takatumi: Thanks. I'll attempt it :) |
| 05:33.47 | Tortel | compiling is fun! |
| 05:33.50 | Tortel | :D |
| 05:33.57 | agrathwohl | hammerabi: Thanks for the explanation. Hopefully I won't have to ask you guys again next time I need to do this =D |
| 05:34.06 | Tortel | I should try compiling the next version of gnome... |
| 05:34.34 | takatumi | wasted effort, by the time you finish compiling, the next version is out. |
| 05:34.36 | hammerabi | agrathwohl: normally you'd just use 'apt-get install blah' and have it happen in one step, but lame is not actually in debian, and the external sources don't have amd64 packages, hence the hassle |
| 05:34.48 | hammerabi | Tortel: I hear jhbuild is fun if you have too much time on your hands |
| 05:34.52 | Caelum | if you set CC, CXX and MAKEFLAGS you get just about everything gentoo gives you :P |
| 05:35.14 | agrathwohl | hammerabi: Well, as far as I can tell, amd64 still has a ways to go =D |
| 05:35.18 | takatumi | theres HOSTCC as well. |
| 05:35.21 | hammerabi | CC and CXX will probably be overridden |
| 05:35.30 | hammerabi | using pentium-builder as a wrapper script is probably simpler |
| 05:35.50 | Caelum | hammerabi: if I set MAKEFLAGS="CC=$CC CXX=$CXX" then they seem to get used ok by apt-get -b source |
| 05:36.06 | Caelum | pentium-builder? interesting |
| 05:36.08 | hammerabi | ah, right, that would probably work |
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| 05:36.14 | hammerabi | didn't htink of that |
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| 05:38.17 | Tortel | what language is most used in debian? |
| 05:38.22 | Tortel | programming.. |
| 05:38.24 | Tortel | :P |
| 05:38.35 | hammerabi | by LOC? C, I'd bet. |
| 05:38.50 | hammerabi | since it's glibc, the kernel, X, gnome, etc |
| 05:39.04 | bouh | what is the link between debian and programing ? |
| 05:39.08 | Tortel | makes sense |
| 05:39.10 | hammerabi | which is probably 20MLOC right there |
| 05:39.15 | Tortel | well, this is all open source... |
| 05:39.41 | loopdee | When I plug in my dv camera, should a device raw1394 be created in /dev ? |
| 05:40.03 | Tortel | you ahve hotplug? |
| 05:40.04 | hammerabi | "tail -f /var/log/syslog" ought to say what's being created |
| 05:40.11 | hammerabi | it depends on you having udev and hotplug and a default kernel, tho |
| 05:40.11 | loopdee | yea, kernel 2.6 hal hotplug |
| 05:40.13 | Tortel | i type good |
| 05:40.25 | loopdee | hmm, yeah i think i have all that |
| 05:40.39 | Tortel | well, my digi cam shows up under /media/usbdisk |
| 05:40.57 | Tortel | but thats just me |
| 05:41.01 | hammerabi | digital cameras are usually mountable usb storage devices |
| 05:41.06 | loopdee | through firewire? , my usb card reader shows up fine, after i added myself to the hal group |
| 05:41.09 | hammerabi | mounting a dv tape seems less likely |
| 05:41.37 | loopdee | lemme check syslog |
| 05:41.49 | loopdee | i know it shows somethign ... |
| 05:42.25 | bouh | hammerabi: I disagree, my experience is, u usually can't mount them properly, hence the use of libgphoto2 |
| 05:42.46 | Tortel | I dont have firewire... |
| 05:42.49 | Tortel | :P |
| 05:43.05 | hammerabi | most modern cameras seem to use usb-storage |
| 05:43.10 | Guerin | actually |
| 05:43.11 | hammerabi | even ones from shitty vendors like sony |
| 05:43.19 | Guerin | most modern cameras by anyone other than canon |
| 05:43.27 | dbw-LAPTOP | hey... i own sony, asshole |
| 05:43.28 | hammerabi | oh, ouch |
| 05:43.32 | hammerabi | dbw-LAPTOP: so do I |
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| 05:43.35 | Guerin | dbw-LAPTOP: ha ha, you suck |
| 05:43.37 | hammerabi | I nearly bough an Ixus |
| 05:43.38 | dippo__ | i was extremely pleased to find that the apple ipod is compatible with regular old usb mass storage |
| 05:43.41 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: touche :P |
| 05:43.42 | Guerin | sony == toys |
| 05:43.45 | loopdee | says ieee1394 raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized ... raw1394: loaded successfully |
| 05:43.50 | Guerin | dbw-LAPTOP: it's not really |
| 05:43.53 | loopdee | but ... no /dev/raw1394 as i can find |
| 05:43.55 | Guerin | dippo__: it's not really |
| 05:43.55 | hammerabi | my dsc-p150 is pretty nice |
| 05:44.01 | hammerabi | but doesn't handle shakes very well |
| 05:44.09 | Guerin | nikon > * |
| 05:44.12 | hammerabi | dippo__: can it play stuff you just cp across? |
| 05:44.24 | hammerabi | nikon doesn't seem to make very good consumer cameras, though |
| 05:44.26 | dippo__ | well, mine is |
| 05:44.32 | dippo__ | hammerabi: no |
| 05:44.36 | Guerin | i fell off the great wall of china holding my nikon 5700, it hit a stair at the bottom, and works *perfectly* |
| 05:44.42 | dippo__ | because it uses a database of songs on it |
| 05:44.42 | hammerabi | haha |
| 05:44.47 | dippo__ | that requires writing in a certain format |
| 05:44.56 | Guerin | the battery compartment door catch snapped off about a week later -> gaffer tape |
| 05:44.56 | bouh | Guerin: show off ;) |
| 05:45.00 | hammerabi | dippo__: ah, ok; is there a tool that can scan stuff you've copied and update the db? |
| 05:45.13 | dippo__ | I use gtkipod or something like that |
| 05:45.15 | Guerin | hammerabi: coolpix are fine |
| 05:45.20 | dippo__ | I'd look to see what it is, but my PC is dead |
| 05:45.22 | dippo__ | stupid power supply |
| 05:45.31 | dippo__ | gtkpod |
| 05:45.46 | dippo__ | it copies stuff over and updates the database |
| 05:45.48 | hammerabi | oh, go nikon |
| 05:45.54 | hammerabi | their product website requires flash |
| 05:46.03 | dippo__ | and also crashes a lot, but such is par for the course with a GNOME app |
| 05:46.29 | Guerin | or you could just buy a proper player which has proper UMS support |
| 05:46.37 | Guerin | and plays ogg vorbis and flac as well |
| 05:46.48 | Guerin | such as the iaudio |
| 05:46.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:46.53 | Guerin | ^5 |
| 05:47.16 | hammerabi | tho the headphone socket is fucked and only plays one channel |
| 05:47.28 | hammerabi | at least I hope that's all it is, I don't like my chances of cowen korea fixing it for me |
| 05:47.44 | Guerin | hammerabi: they're easily user-serviceable |
| 05:47.58 | hammerabi | heh, if I hadn't lost my tiny little screwdrivers |
| 05:48.03 | Guerin | i knocked a battery terminal loose in mine, opened it up and soldered it back in place without trouble |
| 05:48.15 | Guerin | but a headphoen jack is a different matter |
| 05:48.32 | Guerin | you don't want to rip it off the greenboard and solder a new part on, no sir |
| 05:49.25 | hammerabi | yeah, the entire unit is about the size of a zippo, I know I'm not nearly good enough at soldering to not fuck it up |
| 05:49.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:49.46 | Guerin | mine is the x5, about the size of an ipod |
| 05:49.56 | Guerin | and it was pretty bloody fiddly |
| 05:50.14 | hammerabi | ah, g3 |
| 05:50.20 | hammerabi | should have bought an m3 |
| 05:50.30 | hammerabi | before they started grafting colour lcds onto them |
| 05:50.43 | Guerin | the colour lcd is ok |
| 05:50.49 | hammerabi | "yes, please let me watch postage-stamp sized movies on something I keep in my pocket 8 hours a day" |
| 05:51.03 | Guerin | i use mine for photo storage, since it can suck photos off any UMS camera |
| 05:51.10 | hammerabi | ah, neat |
| 05:51.10 | Guerin | or onto, for that matter |
| 05:52.31 | Drake | hey folks, would anyone be willing to give me a hand trying to setup a USB gamepad? (new install of Debian, new user) |
| 05:52.43 | hammerabi | best to just cut to the chase |
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| 05:54.48 | takatumi | Guerin: x5? |
| 05:55.52 | Guerin | takatumi: iaudio x5l 30g |
| 05:56.41 | Drake | I know it's got to be something simple, I have a USB Viewer that can see the device as PS Vibration Feedback, but the Kcontorl says "No device automatically found on this computer, checks were done /dev/js[0-4]" |
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| 05:57.17 | takatumi | Guerin: how good is the video? |
| 05:57.26 | hammerabi | Drake: what does 'uname -r' say? |
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| 05:57.31 | hammerabi | Drake: are you sure the device is supported? |
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| 05:58.01 | takatumi | Guerin: ignore that. |
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| 05:58.30 | Drake | uname -r says "2. 4. 27-2-386" and that's it, no diea what that means |
| 05:59.00 | hammerabi | that's not what it says, but ok. |
| 05:59.05 | hammerabi | is your usb device supported by linux? |
| 05:59.18 | Drake | hmmm good question, how can i find out? |
| 06:00.32 | hammerabi | google, usually |
| 06:00.45 | Drake | ^.^ i'll go check |
| 06:01.16 | parsonsd | sudo question: i'm trying to get my own username to do stuff as root; i've added my username to the sudo file and test it with `sudo visudo`. according to manpage, it should by default ask me for my passwd...it doesn't, but I want it to. |
| 06:01.50 | hammerabi | it doesn't at all? |
| 06:01.53 | hammerabi | or only does the first time? |
| 06:02.48 | dbw-LAPTOP | man sudoers |
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| 06:03.01 | parsonsd | my line in /etc/sudoers: parsonsd ALL = (ALL) ALL -- just like root's; i've tried some other variations including parsonsd = PASSWD: ALL) |
| 06:03.04 | dbw-LAPTOP | oh... also, it remembers you for 5 minutes or so |
| 06:03.24 | parsonsd | does it include the time from when i logged on? |
| 06:03.27 | hammerabi | no |
| 06:03.32 | hammerabi | from the time you ran sudo last |
| 06:03.35 | hammerabi | hence my question |
| 06:03.53 | parsonsd | ie., i start by logging in on a new tty |
| 06:04.03 | parsonsd | oh --- well, not at all... |
| 06:04.05 | hammerabi | depends if tty_tickets is enabled or not |
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| 06:04.11 | hammerabi | it never asks for a password? |
| 06:04.16 | hammerabi | even if you 'sudo -k ; sudo ls'? |
| 06:04.20 | dbw-LAPTOP | that's impossible... |
| 06:04.24 | dbw-LAPTOP | sudo -k |
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| 06:04.37 | parsonsd | i tried to force it with parsonsd "ALL = PASSWD: ALL" |
| 06:04.47 | dbw-LAPTOP | parsonsd: sudo -k, then sudo : |
| 06:04.48 | parsonsd | (oops, sorry, misplaced the first quote) |
| 06:05.00 | parsonsd | i'll try `sudo -k` |
| 06:05.11 | hammerabi | rob ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 06:05.15 | hammerabi | that's what I have |
| 06:05.20 | hammerabi | and that asks for a password |
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| 06:07.36 | loopdee | yea, it says /de/raw1394 device initialized, but i do not see raw1394 in /dev !! |
| 06:07.39 | parsonsd | okay -- i think i understand what happened -- my first try for what i wanted included a NOPASSWD for a command |
| 06:08.16 | parsonsd | i can only conclude that this request set the timeout and obviated the need for the passwd |
| 06:08.19 | parsonsd | frick |
| 06:08.26 | parsonsd | thnx |
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| 06:10.57 | takatumi | hammerabi: ALL=(ALL) ALL and ALL = PASSWD: ALL does not ask me for pw. ;-/ |
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| 06:11.14 | hammerabi | takatumi: even after you 'sudo -k'? |
| 06:11.45 | secher | Heyas all. Having a bit of a problem with networking. I have eth1 configured, afaik, correctly. I can ping it from localhost. I cannot ping it, however, from any other node on the same subnet, or any subnet for that matter. does anyone know off the top of their heads if I may be missing a package or something? |
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| 06:12.27 | takatumi | hammerabi: ah, nice. |
| 06:13.32 | hammerabi | secher: 'ip a', 'ip r' and 'iptables -L -v -n' output to #flood |
| 06:13.56 | secher | hammer: will do.. I'll announce when about to paste. |
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| 06:14.30 | secher | hammer: ip not found. |
| 06:14.37 | secher | ip r |
| 06:15.15 | hammerabi | blah |
| 06:15.22 | hammerabi | "ifconfig -a", "route -n" then |
| 06:15.28 | hammerabi | iputils should be in base |
| 06:17.07 | AgentJ87 | hey can sumone help me install sum stuff on my linux |
| 06:17.13 | AgentJ87 | debian of course |
| 06:17.26 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: it's way simpler if you just ask your question |
| 06:17.53 | secher | hammer: incoming to #flood. |
| 06:18.52 | AgentJ87 | hammerabi |
| 06:18.57 | AgentJ87 | im just not sure where to begin |
| 06:19.04 | hammerabi | also, please don't just say my name on a blank line |
| 06:19.08 | AgentJ87 | i just installerd iroffer |
| 06:19.16 | hammerabi | why? |
| 06:19.49 | AgentJ87 | im not too familiar with linux so im not sure the steps |
| 06:19.56 | AgentJ87 | do i make directory first |
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| 06:20.04 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: what is your actual goal? |
| 06:20.13 | AgentJ87 | i wanna seed torrents |
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| 06:20.18 | AgentJ87 | and have an ftp setup |
| 06:20.25 | hammerabi | ah, a warez server |
| 06:20.28 | hammerabi | good work |
| 06:20.54 | recall | hey, he could be a convert looking to spread linux iso's to the world! |
| 06:20.57 | recall | =/ |
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| 06:21.19 | secher | hammer: you get the posts? |
| 06:21.27 | hammerabi | my nick is not "hammer", but yes |
| 06:21.29 | secher | hammerabi: you're cynical, aren't you? Perhaps he's simply attempting to provide the world with the benefit of his good works with developing new software. |
| 06:21.39 | hammerabi | your iptables rules seem excessively complicated |
| 06:21.46 | hammerabi | secher: yes, I am cynical, but I'm almost certain I'm right |
| 06:21.59 | AgentJ87 | so anything u can do for me hammerabi |
| 06:22.02 | secher | hammerabi: and I almost certainly agree with you. <grin> |
| 06:22.10 | parsonsd | maybe he just wants to provide an ftp server for his inside segment.. |
| 06:22.22 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: not unless you define your goals more clearly. seeding bittorrent is simple, install the bittornado package. |
| 06:22.36 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: for ftp, install vsftpd. |
| 06:22.45 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: ie 'apt-get install bittornado vsftpd' |
| 06:22.58 | secher | hammerabi: I"m not worried about NAT yet, I just want to be able to ping eth1 from other nodes internally. |
| 06:23.00 | hammerabi | secher: what system concocted those firewall rules? |
| 06:23.05 | Drake | i'm back...ok I got new info. I don't think it's a problem with the device or setting it up. I think Debian found it and installed it just fine. but there might be a permissions issue. I looked to see if the gamepad was supported and i think it is, and on one forum someone showed another user how to check for activity using 'mod'. Ok so i used mod /dev/input/js0 and wiggled it around and it made funny charactors. Then I ran Kcontrol |
| 06:23.05 | Drake | and told it to look in /dev/input/js0 instead of where it was. It said No, you don't have permission. I said FINE and logged in as root. As root the gamepad works fine!! So comeing from that angle... any suggestions. I don't want to run the computer as root, i prefer to use this user account |
| 06:23.15 | AgentJ87 | ok |
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| 06:23.21 | AgentJ87 | so the stpes i take to install it |
| 06:23.23 | AgentJ87 | steps |
| 06:23.25 | AgentJ87 | is |
| 06:23.27 | hammerabi | Drake: "ls -l /dev/js* /dev/input/js*", paste to #flood |
| 06:23.28 | AgentJ87 | makdir |
| 06:23.30 | AgentJ87 | download |
| 06:23.31 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: no, stop it |
| 06:23.33 | AgentJ87 | install |
| 06:23.34 | AgentJ87 | run |
| 06:23.35 | secher | hammerabi: a straightforward Debian install. I wasn't even aware threre were any rules instated. |
| 06:23.42 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: you probably don't have permissions |
| 06:23.49 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: use coherent sentences on a single line to ask a question |
| 06:23.50 | hammerabi | not this |
| 06:23.51 | Drake | right but how do i get permission |
| 06:23.52 | hammerabi | one word |
| 06:23.53 | hammerabi | per |
| 06:23.54 | hammerabi | line |
| 06:23.58 | hammerabi | crap |
| 06:24.04 | hammerabi | Drake: paste that output to #flood |
| 06:24.09 | Drake | ok one sec |
| 06:24.23 | hammerabi | secher: something setup a lot of iptables rules, nothing does that by default |
| 06:25.02 | AgentJ87 | ok |
| 06:25.12 | recall | hm - is there a somewhat simple answer to installing a somewhat recent amarok on etch? |
| 06:25.28 | dbw-LAPTOP | recall: apt-get install amarok? |
| 06:25.28 | hammerabi | secher: your routes and ip look ok; does it work if you "sudo iptables -F ; for i in INPUT OUTPUT FORWARD ; sudo iptables -P $i ACCEPT ; done"? |
| 06:25.33 | AgentJ87 | hammerabi, to install bittornado, do i make dir, download file run prog |
| 06:25.33 | dbw-LAPTOP | what version do you want? |
| 06:25.33 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 06:25.38 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: no, you don't |
| 06:25.45 | Drake | done |
| 06:25.46 | dbw-LAPTOP | AgentJ87: apt-get install bittornado |
| 06:25.46 | hammerabi | AgentJ87: you read what I said: |
| 06:25.49 | hammerabi | 17:22 < hammerabi> AgentJ87: ie 'apt-get install bittornado vsftpd' |
| 06:25.59 | Drake | that was on root terminal not user |
| 06:26.09 | recall | dbw-LAPTOP, I do not consider 1.2.3 somewhat recent. |
| 06:26.15 | hammerabi | Drake: temporarily, 'sudo chmod o+rw /dev/input/js*' |
| 06:26.23 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: don't do that! |
| 06:26.30 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: why would he do that? |
| 06:26.36 | recall | There is no current testing version, as apparently KDE in etch is going through an upgrade. |
| 06:26.36 | AgentJ87 | ok |
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| 06:26.42 | Drake | too late |
| 06:26.44 | hammerabi | dbw-LAPTOP: to see if it's actually a permission problem |
| 06:26.50 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: ok, no big deal |
| 06:26.57 | Drake | ^.^ |
| 06:26.59 | hammerabi | dbw-LAPTOP: I'd be interested to know what attacks you think the input subsystem is vulnerable to |
| 06:27.05 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: grunt, as you wish, but those permissions make it obvious |
| 06:27.14 | hammerabi | (of course it's not a useful long-term solution) |
| 06:27.25 | hammerabi | Drake: does kcontrol complain now? |
| 06:27.29 | dbw-LAPTOP | hammerabi: nothing comes to mind, but making devices world-writable is just not a good idea |
| 06:27.33 | Drake | nope it sees it perfectly |
| 06:27.35 | hammerabi | yes, I agree |
| 06:27.46 | Drake | so, is that permanat or do i need to do one more thing? |
| 06:27.50 | hammerabi | so, it's basically a udev bug for not setting a useful group on it |
| 06:27.53 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: hang on |
| 06:27.55 | dbw-LAPTOP | oh |
| 06:27.56 | dbw-LAPTOP | udev |
| 06:27.57 | Drake | kk |
| 06:28.02 | hammerabi | Drake: this is debian stable machine? |
| 06:28.02 | dbw-LAPTOP | stop hanging on |
| 06:28.14 | Drake | not sure what that means |
| 06:28.31 | Drake | It's never crashed ^.~ |
| 06:28.32 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: what dist is this? sarge? etch? potato? |
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| 06:28.56 | dbw-LAPTOP | recall: yeah, what IS going on with KDE and etch? |
| 06:28.59 | Drake | tbh latpop i don't know, i used the net install from debian's website last week |
| 06:29.16 | Drake | and not sure how to find out |
| 06:29.31 | dbw-LAPTOP | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:29.39 | Drake | put it in flood? |
| 06:29.45 | dbw-LAPTOP | it's one line dude |
| 06:29.58 | Drake | 3.1 |
| 06:30.22 | dbw-LAPTOP | ah, so... stable |
| 06:30.28 | Drake | that's good right? |
| 06:30.35 | dbw-LAPTOP | it's stable, all right |
| 06:30.53 | Drake | so the changes I made to the permissions, is that safe and is that permanate? |
| 06:30.55 | recall | dbw-LAPTOP, I have no idea - a transition to GCC 4 perhaps? |
| 06:31.07 | hammerabi | mostly and no |
| 06:31.12 | dbw-LAPTOP | recall: all i know is amarok is holding the rest of KDE back. |
| 06:31.16 | hammerabi | fixing it permanently requires altering the udev rule |
| 06:31.24 | hammerabi | which is hard for me since I don't have a sarge system |
| 06:31.26 | dbw-LAPTOP | recall: if i used any KDE apps OTHER than amarok, i might be upset |
| 06:31.42 | secher | hammerabi: I have a backup of my firewall and iptables rules. I've built them over the course of months. my problem is I cannot ping eth1 from other nodes internally, eth1 being the internal nic for the gateway. |
| 06:31.45 | secher | I'll run that line.. one sec. |
| 06:32.12 | hammerabi | secher: ah, you wrote them manually |
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| 06:32.34 | recall | dbw-LAPTOP, what do you mean, amarok is holding KDE back? |
| 06:32.35 | secher | Yup. |
| 06:32.46 | secher | got a syntax error, so did it slow but sure way. |
| 06:33.10 | dbw-LAPTOP | recall: it won't upgrade the various KDE packages because that would require removing amarok. |
| 06:33.18 | dbw-LAPTOP | recall: in short, the dependencies are pooched |
| 06:33.23 | secher | OH, no, the ones I just pasted to flood I did not write.. my firewall.sh is on my backup server. |
| 06:33.26 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: edit /etc/udev/permissions.rules |
| 06:33.51 | secher | I got a syntax error with your command, so did it manually. |
| 06:34.04 | Drake | ok i got the file open in vi |
| 06:34.07 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: find the line with "js*" |
| 06:34.09 | recall | dbw-LAPTOP, I see. Well, at any rate, it's annoying. |
| 06:34.13 | dbw-LAPTOP | or something like that |
| 06:34.37 | recall | Does Debian keep binary snapshots? |
| 06:34.45 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: add GROUP="drake" |
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| 06:34.52 | dbw-LAPTOP | or whatever your group is |
| 06:34.52 | secher | recall: what's a binary snapshot? |
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| 06:34.56 | Drake | KERNEL="js[0-9]*", MODE="0664" |
| 06:34.56 | Drake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.59 | hammerabi | recall: snapshot.debian.net |
| 06:35.02 | dbw-LAPTOP | yeah, that's it |
| 06:35.05 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: append: |
| 06:35.10 | dbw-LAPTOP | , GROUP="drake" |
| 06:35.13 | dbw-LAPTOP | no wait |
| 06:35.15 | dbw-LAPTOP | hmm |
| 06:35.24 | secher | hammerabi: as in built CVS snapshots? |
| 06:35.31 | dbw-LAPTOP | maybe make a new group for this |
| 06:35.41 | hammerabi | secher: no |
| 06:36.00 | Drake | so put GROUP="drake" after the line with js* correct? |
| 06:36.18 | dbw-LAPTOP | , GROUP="gamepad" |
| 06:36.21 | recall | hammerabi, do you know what a .dsc file is? |
| 06:36.24 | dbw-LAPTOP | okay, so make it look like this |
| 06:36.36 | hammerabi | recall: yes, of course |
| 06:36.41 | dbw-LAPTOP | KERNEL="js[0-9]*", MODE="0664", GROUP="gamepad" |
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| 06:36.54 | recall | hammerabi, ok, good then... |
| 06:37.05 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: wait. |
| 06:37.09 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: i changed my mind. |
| 06:37.18 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: undo whatever you have done |
| 06:37.26 | Drake | lol ok |
| 06:38.04 | Drake | ok i quit without saving and reopened the file, back at that js* line |
| 06:38.08 | dbw-LAPTOP | just add a new line below that line |
| 06:38.10 | recall | *sigh* I don't want to build a KDE package from source, i'll run out of space with the dependencies...=) |
| 06:38.35 | secher | OK. I'll look at the site later. This is ridiculous, I"m sure I'm missing something painfully obvious. Why, on a completely straightforward network currently consisting of a hub and 2 systems can I not ping from one to another, when the interfaces on each computer are configured simply, on the same subnet and with no wierd policies in place. |
| 06:38.39 | dbw-LAPTOP | what is your username |
| 06:38.41 | dbw-LAPTOP | on your box |
| 06:38.43 | dbw-LAPTOP | drake? |
| 06:38.43 | Drake | will |
| 06:38.48 | dbw-LAPTOP | okay so |
| 06:39.05 | dbw-LAPTOP | KERNEL="js0*", GROUP="will" |
| 06:39.38 | dbw-LAPTOP | (The above line comes with no warranty, express or implied. If your box blows up, please don't be mad at me." |
| 06:40.08 | Drake | lol |
| 06:40.12 | secher | I'm seriously beginnign to think the hub went south since thursday evening. |
| 06:40.29 | dbw-LAPTOP | okay, now try "sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart" |
| 06:40.34 | dbw-LAPTOP | actually |
| 06:40.38 | dbw-LAPTOP | remove the gamepad first |
| 06:40.40 | dbw-LAPTOP | then restart udev |
| 06:40.40 | recall | secher, have a crossover cable? |
| 06:40.43 | dbw-LAPTOP | then plug it back in |
| 06:40.51 | parsonsd | secher: i suppose the stupid question of 'is the other box got an appropriate ip such as 192.168.1.2/24? |
| 06:40.51 | dbw-LAPTOP | and see if it's magically fixed |
| 06:40.55 | parsonsd | ' |
| 06:41.12 | Drake | ok i saved the file |
| 06:41.13 | secher | recall: No, and my crimpers are at the job site. |
| 06:41.24 | Drake | unplugged the device |
| 06:41.33 | dbw-LAPTOP | secher: I'LL CRIMP YOU |
| 06:41.38 | recall | crimpers are for sissies, use your teeth! |
| 06:41.46 | recall | :) |
| 06:41.50 | secher | parsonsd: yes, they're on the same subnet. one is .1 the other is .41 |
| 06:42.23 | secher | recall: actually, I've made do with a butterknife and a tack hammer. |
| 06:42.29 | Drake | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.8, not started. |
| 06:42.39 | dbw-LAPTOP | huhhhhhh. |
| 06:42.45 | dbw-LAPTOP | that's odd |
| 06:42.48 | Drake | i thought we established it was 3.1 |
| 06:43.03 | dbw-LAPTOP | uname -a |
| 06:43.04 | liable | err, 2.4 is still default kernel.. |
| 06:43.07 | parsonsd | drake: 3.1 is the debian version |
| 06:43.10 | dbw-LAPTOP | hahaha |
| 06:43.11 | Drake | ok |
| 06:43.12 | dbw-LAPTOP | good god. |
| 06:43.17 | parsonsd | 2.4 is the default... |
| 06:43.18 | parsonsd | yah |
| 06:43.21 | dbw-LAPTOP | we did all that udev hacking on a 2.4 kernel |
| 06:43.27 | Drake | Linux Taru 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:43.32 | secher | but it's a little late to be dicking around with kludges like that in the kitchen counter. |
| 06:44.01 | dbw-LAPTOP | okay, how about this.... chmod o-rw /dev/js/js0 ; chgrp will /dev/js/js0 |
| 06:44.05 | dbw-LAPTOP | then try it |
| 06:44.07 | parsonsd | secher: if cables are fine, then it is a prob of ICMP not doing something nice |
| 06:44.18 | parsonsd | oh well, and the hub |
| 06:44.24 | testtesttesting | I need to know how to find my monitor's maximum screen resolution supported by x. How might I do this? |
| 06:44.26 | dbw-LAPTOP | and that will be fairly secure and very permanent. : |
| 06:44.50 | liable | !hw-monitor |
| 06:44.52 | parsonsd | testtesttesting: either manual or google for the monitor |
| 06:45.22 | Drake | chmod: cannot access `/dev/js/js0': No such file or directory (twice) |
| 06:45.34 | secher | parsonsd: fsck it. I'm gonna swap out the cables and hub, I've got a couple of others laying in my parts closet... bbiab. |
| 06:45.39 | Drake | is it /dev/input/js0? that's where Kcontrol says it is |
| 06:45.40 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: oops, sorry |
| 06:45.44 | dbw-LAPTOP | yeah |
| 06:45.47 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: my bad |
| 06:45.49 | recall | secher, I see. Impressive, nonetheless. |
| 06:45.56 | Drake | hey i'm learning |
| 06:46.05 | secher | recall: wha'ts impressive? |
| 06:46.09 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: yes, that's adorable. |
| 06:46.15 | dbw-LAPTOP | :D |
| 06:46.24 | Drake | Taru:/etc/udev# chmod o-rw /dev/input/js0 ; chgrp will /dev/input/js0 |
| 06:46.24 | Drake | Taru:/etc/udev# |
| 06:46.29 | dbw-LAPTOP | hooray |
| 06:46.37 | Drake | ^.^ that's a good thing yes? |
| 06:46.42 | dbw-LAPTOP | try the gamepad now... it should work as a normal user |
| 06:46.46 | dbw-LAPTOP | no news is good news |
| 06:47.21 | dbw-LAPTOP | the first command undid what hammerabi did, the second command changed the permissions so your user can use the device |
| 06:47.25 | Drake | so what did that do, add the user 'will' to that device? |
| 06:47.42 | dbw-LAPTOP | technically, no... it made the device owned by the group 'will' |
| 06:47.43 | Drake | and it will stick through a reboot? |
| 06:47.46 | secher | recall: oh, the butterknife and tack hammer? necessity is the mother of invention.. You'd be amazed with what I can do with kitchen utensils. Any idiot can use the right tool for the right job, but it takes a real pro to make do with spare parts and determination. |
| 06:47.49 | Drake | oic |
| 06:47.57 | Drake | should I plug it back in? |
| 06:47.58 | recall | secher, =) |
| 06:47.59 | dbw-LAPTOP | it just so happens you're the only member of that group |
| 06:48.05 | dbw-LAPTOP | yeah, go for it |
| 06:48.11 | dbw-LAPTOP | it SHOULD stick through a reboot |
| 06:48.20 | dbw-LAPTOP | i can't see why it wouldn't |
| 06:48.33 | dbw-LAPTOP | again, no warranties... |
| 06:48.42 | parsonsd | secher: shouldn't that be "it takes a real idiot to make do"? ;) |
| 06:49.17 | parsonsd | secher: i'm rather impressed too, but i'm not technically a networking person |
| 06:49.21 | dbw-LAPTOP | parsonsd: that depends if it works or not :P |
| 06:49.27 | parsonsd | not by trade anyway. |
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| 06:49.30 | Drake | hehe well so far you guys have been great, i do want to give it a reboot ( I know it's not windows haha) i'll brb |
| 06:49.47 | Drake | and next weeks project will be dual head display woohoo |
| 06:49.53 | parsonsd | dbw-laptop, well, yeah, i suppose so. maybe i count as a 'real idiot' then... :/ |
| 06:50.18 | dbw-LAPTOP | Drake: good luck :) |
| 06:50.25 | dbw-LAPTOP | bed for me |
| 06:50.29 | dbw-LAPTOP | later all |
| 06:51.31 | parsonsd | secher: hammerabi suggested looking at firewall rules on this machine, what about the other? |
| 06:52.04 | secher | parsonsd: that's an old joke my Dad and I had when I would work with his construction company during summers in college. He'd use the wrong tools for a task just to see if he could do it. Occasionally some very amusing results.. anyway. <grin> |
| 06:52.10 | parsonsd | secher: for that matter, let go of the fw rules on both |
| 06:52.57 | parsonsd | secher: ow! i tend to end up with things mashed when i try that |
| 06:53.01 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 599] by debhelper |
| 06:53.20 | parsonsd | i also get to practice my cursing, too |
| 06:53.42 | secher | parsonsd: the other node has no firewall, and it's not a firewall issue. I simply cannot ping eth1 from the other node(s) on the network. I just resetup this system as absolutely barebones as I could "from scratch" if you will to see if I could do it, and this is the only hassle I've had thus far. |
| 06:54.05 | secher | and it's really burning me up. |
| 06:55.02 | parsonsd | hm, does the hub provide any feedback? glowing lights and such? |
| 06:55.33 | secher | Does the debian 2.6.145 kernel have VIA Rhine module support natively? Oh, shit, there are no lights on the onboard NIC. I"m gooing to kick myself. I didn't compile this kernel myself, I went with a Debian kernel instead. |
| 06:55.40 | parsonsd | or for that matter, the link lights on the NIC? |
| 06:55.55 | parsonsd | heh |
| 06:55.57 | secher | parsonsd: that's waht I just looked at.. FSCK!@ |
| 06:56.00 | secher | Me. |
| 06:56.33 | parsonsd | oops |
| 06:56.41 | parsonsd | i hate it when that happens |
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| 06:57.22 | Drake | I'm back and IT WORKED! |
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| 06:57.36 | apprentice | how do i format a diskette? |
| 06:57.37 | secher | Oh |
| 06:57.38 | secher | My |
| 06:57.40 | secher | God |
| 06:57.41 | Drake | Kcontrol says "Oh look, you got game!" |
| 06:57.43 | secher | What |
| 06:57.44 | secher | an |
| 06:57.46 | secher | asshole |
| 06:57.47 | secher | I |
| 06:57.48 | secher | am |
| 06:57.51 | secher | . |
| 06:58.05 | secher | I said it was blatantly obvious. |
| 06:58.22 | secher | ping time of .527 ms. |
| 06:58.28 | parsonsd | secher yeesh. don't kick yerself that hard |
| 06:58.49 | secher | LOL.. |
| 06:58.53 | secher | it's too funny. |
| 06:59.08 | secher | Sorry for all the bother all.. |
| 06:59.11 | AgentJ87 | how i rename a folder |
| 06:59.12 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 06:59.19 | takatumi | AgentJ87: man mv |
| 06:59.31 | AgentJ87 | huh |
| 06:59.43 | secher | take a lesson from me, when dealing with debian, if it should work and it's not, check your hardware and connections. |
| 07:00.03 | parsonsd | AgentJ87: use the command `man mv` on the command line |
| 07:00.15 | AgentJ87 | man mv "folder name |
| 07:00.16 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 07:00.28 | Drake | g'night everyone and thanx again for the help |
| 07:00.42 | parsonsd | AgentJ87: use only the command `man mv` on the command line to learn more about moving files |
| 07:03.08 | parsonsd | is there any (fairly) simple way to do (to setup, to test) very simple ip 6 between two hosts? for that matter, to name them? |
| 07:03.18 | ke6isf | apprentice: mkfs |
| 07:03.23 | secher | parsonsd: with jm_ , abrotman, et. al. quiet, you're really taking the lead in here.. my compliments to your initiative. |
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| 07:05.10 | parsonsd | secher? did you just ask me to be quiet? :) |
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| 07:05.23 | secher | on a completely unrelated topic, secher pulls his head out of the gutter.. swinging a hammer for a couple of years does somethign to a guy.. turns him into a knuckle dragging mongoloid. |
| 07:05.44 | secher | parsonsd: no, not at all.. I was honestly offering you praise. |
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| 07:05.54 | loopdee | is 2.6.14 in stable ? |
| 07:06.03 | takatumi | loopdee: no. |
| 07:06.15 | parsonsd | secher, well, thanks, though I'm not sure I deserve it. |
| 07:06.24 | secher | imho, you do. |
| 07:06.34 | loopdee | takatumi: not in debian, but on kernel.org? |
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| 07:07.00 | parsonsd | secher, and anyway, knuckle-dragging is far under appreciated. |
| 07:07.02 | takatumi | loopdee: testing/unstable yes, kernel.org yes, stable no. |
| 07:07.09 | loopdee | okay |
| 07:07.13 | secher | Or, in the words of Zaphod Breeblebrox, "Oh? Well, forget it then." <grin> |
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| 07:07.26 | secher | Beeblebrox rather. |
| 07:07.36 | loopdee | if i installed debian sarge, can i install that kernel? |
| 07:08.11 | parsonsd | i do live in a cave. i don't know zeephod either |
| 07:08.12 | takatumi | loopdee: get the source, roll your own or use .8 in stable. |
| 07:08.22 | loopdee | okay |
| 07:08.29 | madradrone | is there any artificailly-intelligent application that you can install under Debian, that will listen to you via a microphone and recognize people via a webcam, which you can give commands to and train to do things? |
| 07:08.30 | loopdee | roll my own... haha |
| 07:08.42 | secher | parsonsd: agreed on the knuckle dragging, that's why my fiancee loves me, I'm a geek with a construction workers attitude. |
| 07:09.04 | takatumi | madradrone: not sure if festival can do that. |
| 07:09.25 | madradrone | takatumi: it would be nice if it could also talk to you |
| 07:09.40 | madradrone | takatumi: thanks i will check into it |
| 07:09.43 | takatumi | nah, I need to listen to silence. |
| 07:10.03 | madradrone | takatumi: IIRC fetstival was just a text-to-speech engine |
| 07:10.23 | takatumi | madradrone: and not reverse? |
| 07:10.56 | madradrone | basically i'd like to find something like Sony's Mind 3 for for the Aibo that is open-source and can run on a PC. I don't care if it can carry a platic bone around the room or not. |
| 07:11.34 | takatumi | right. |
| 07:11.43 | secher | ok, I've got X, I"ve got E, I've got Eterms and I've got my firewall. Miller time. |
| 07:12.18 | madradrone | takatumi: maybe. not sure. i remember using it a long time ago to read stuff |
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| 07:12.58 | madradrone | takatumi: i know going the other way - speech recognition - is a whole different game. i had a friend who actually worked at dragon for a while... |
| 07:14.30 | madradrone | i want to come home after work, lay on my bed, close my eyes, and say "computer, please read the mail" |
| 07:15.16 | madradrone | lol |
| 07:15.35 | madradrone | that would be fun. give it a few errant commands. |
| 07:16.01 | madradrone | actually i wouldn't mind getting root on her: http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-10744-Robot+or+Human%3F+Here's+ACTROID.html |
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| 07:18.16 | cyzie | hi guys, when i do ls in remote ftp. i always get this error, "Cannot create a data connection: No route to host" can anybody help please? |
| 07:18.54 | secher | madradrone: addressing your computer via voice is ( I think ) every geeks wet dream. "Sauron, play Oakenfold at 50% volume." *sigh* |
| 07:19.25 | eeyore- | wow ... dvd::rip is *cool* |
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| 07:19.43 | roler | how come when i install the package apache/apache-common it installs apache2? |
| 07:19.54 | takatumi | eeyore-: hmm ok, what command? |
| 07:20.07 | secher | roler: cause you're running unstable? |
| 07:20.17 | eeyore- | takatumi: hmm? it's a perl-gtk application |
| 07:20.38 | madradrone | secher: and it has to have a projector. "Sauron, project Lain episode 7 on the ceiling above my bed please" |
| 07:20.38 | secher | or is apache2 in stable now? |
| 07:20.51 | roler | secher; yes I am... hmm. |
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| 07:21.25 | eeyore- | madradrone: that falls under the category of do-it-yourself |
| 07:21.55 | secher | madradrone: NIce. Very nice. |
| 07:21.56 | takatumi | eeyore-: what package? |
| 07:22.09 | eeyore- | takatumi: i don't know what debian calls it. why not use dselect? |
| 07:22.26 | eeyore- | takatumi: or, apt-cache search |
| 07:22.37 | takatumi | eeyore-: aptitude install dvd::rip gave me dvdrip |
| 07:22.51 | eeyore- | takatumi: ok, good then :-) go play |
| 07:23.28 | eeyore- | i have a bunch of dvd's my kids watch all the time and this might be neat to put on the bedroom computer. more coding to do, hmm :-p |
| 07:24.04 | secher | does anyone know if there's support for Intel's "Intel Play" toys, like the microscope and things? |
| 07:24.12 | secher | or I could just google for it.. nm. |
| 07:24.20 | takatumi | eeyore-: idea, that might be one way to regain control of the remote. ;) |
| 07:26.04 | roler | so is there a way to force apache in unstable and not apache2? |
| 07:26.14 | secher | does scp allow the browsing of ftp directories like a normal ftp client? |
| 07:26.58 | caphuso | secher: no, 'cause that's what sftp is for |
| 07:27.59 | secher | caphuso: Hey man. how prevalent is sftp on anon sites? I don't see a real need for it for anon work, or am I missing something? |
| 07:28.46 | caphuso | secher: i never heard of anyone using anonymous ssh access for anything |
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| 07:30.52 | secher | Holy sh1t: is it 2:30 am Eastern? |
| 07:31.12 | roler | yes |
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| 07:32.14 | secher | good night all.. Peace to you and yours. |
| 07:32.32 | peridot | er, this may be a dumb question but I just can't find its answer on the Net: how do I set environment variables so that KDE 3.3 sees them? (debian stable) |
| 07:33.28 | peridot | (using KDM; /etc/environment sets them for all users, not just me) |
| 07:35.09 | caphuso | peridot: easy solution: ditch kdm and use startx. not so easy solution: choose a session type that runs your ~/.xsession and let that taking care of sourcing your ~/.bash_profile or whatever |
| 07:36.05 | deadcat | hmm. who command doesnt show my xterm shells. what up? i have XTerm*utmpInhibit: true in .Xresources |
| 07:36.08 | peridot | I want a graphical login manager; I like the ability to choose which session I run from it. |
| 07:36.24 | deadcat | peridot: gdm |
| 07:36.44 | peridot | kdm just can't? |
| 07:36.53 | deadcat | or kdm |
| 07:36.56 | caphuso | peridot: works the same way with gdm |
| 07:37.11 | peridot | I'm using kdm. |
| 07:37.26 | SimonRaven | deadcat: that would do it |
| 07:37.56 | peridot | I could just set the environment variable for everyone, but I really shouldn't need root access to set my own environment variables... |
| 07:38.04 | eeyore- | peridot: put your environment variables in .bashrc |
| 07:38.24 | caphuso | eeyore-: that won't work either |
| 07:38.26 | peridot | eeyore-: they are set there. apps started from KWM never run a shell. |
| 07:38.32 | eeyore- | caphuso: how come? |
| 07:38.39 | eeyore- | oh right |
| 07:38.45 | caphuso | eeyore-: because when exactly would it get read? |
| 07:38.52 | eeyore- | i was thinking command-line :-) |
| 07:38.58 | roler | what package in debian installs the development files to compile stuff? |
| 07:38.58 | deadcat | SimonRaven: but it worked before the reinstall. same settings. |
| 07:39.32 | SimonRaven | deadcat: worked how? showed sessions in who? |
| 07:39.41 | SimonRaven | maybe it was buggy? |
| 07:39.42 | caphuso | roler: there are almost 2000 packages installing development files |
| 07:39.53 | roler | caphuso, ; well not development but make, gcc, all the like |
| 07:39.56 | deadcat | SimonRaven: who shows x users. nown is 0 |
| 07:40.00 | caphuso | roler: build-essential |
| 07:40.11 | roler | thanks! |
| 07:40.43 | peridot | so, um, the consensus is, kdm can't do it but gdm can? |
| 07:41.10 | SimonRaven | deadcat: same version and everythiing? |
| 07:41.16 | SimonRaven | s/ii/i/ |
| 07:41.22 | caphuso | peridot: no, the consensus is that there's no way any dm can do it without user intervention as i've explained to you |
| 07:42.30 | peridot | er, that seems like an unfortunate deficiency in all the available dms (supplying only global environment settings). I guess I'll work around it. |
| 07:42.43 | deadcat | SimonRaven: that i dont know. |
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| 07:43.44 | SimonRaven | then before it was buggy, now it isn't. 'cause that setting means that it's not supposed to show up in who/w |
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| 07:46.40 | deadcat | SimonRaven: remote login shows up. but not ones on a xterm |
| 07:47.04 | SimonRaven | so you want to see them in who, your xterm sessions? |
| 07:47.22 | deadcat | ya |
| 07:47.39 | peridot | what happens if you set utmpInhibit to false? |
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| 07:48.43 | deadcat | peridot: hmm. |
| 07:48.55 | SimonRaven | so remove that setting ;) |
| 07:49.29 | deadcat | strange (= thats what i was using hahah |
| 07:52.53 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 07:55.39 | peridot | all right, I'll just set the silly thing globally. Thanks folks. |
| 07:57.26 | deadcat | SimonRaven: strnage. utmpinhibit false will WRITE to the file. that sounds wrong right? |
| 07:57.46 | SimonRaven | it does. unless i'm totally confused |
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| 07:58.01 | SimonRaven | (which is quite possible) |
| 07:58.04 | cdemwell | Hi |
| 07:58.07 | peridot | no, utmpInhibit inhibits writing to utmp |
| 07:58.17 | sciboy | Hey guys, i am having issues with the latest nvidia kernel modules, installed via. module-assistant. |
| 07:58.32 | deadcat | peridot: so before they were wrong? (= |
| 07:58.54 | peridot | deadcat: yep. probably they ignored it. |
| 07:58.58 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 07:58.59 | deadcat | thanks |
| 07:59.16 | sciboy | v8174, I believe, when i startx, the screen goes blank and i cannot access the computer at all, CTRL+ALT+F1 etc. etc. is completely non-responsive. |
| 07:59.50 | sciboy | Is there any known solutions to such issues at this point in time? |
| 08:00.25 | peridot | unknown X resources are silently ignored, so probably the old version didn't have that resource |
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| 08:00.52 | deadcat | peridot: no. i have it in my resource file |
| 08:01.48 | peridot | sure, but if the program never heard of it, it just ignores it. |
| 08:02.00 | sciboy | Also, could someone please MSG me with information? Unfortunately i do not have the comforts of a graphical irc client right now. |
| 08:02.39 | peterS | !msg me |
| 08:02.40 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg peters. |
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| 08:04.16 | sciboy | I'm just saying, with limited scroll buffer its easier for me to see older messages recieved by private message |
| 08:04.34 | caphuso | "limited scroll buffer"? |
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| 08:07.28 | Guerin | sciboy: what are the comforts of a graphical irc client? |
| 08:07.38 | Guerin | I don't know of any, at aall. |
| 08:07.47 | Guerin | there are no pictures in irc |
| 08:07.53 | sciboy | Guerin: Getting notified by a change of colour when a message is directed at me. |
| 08:08.11 | caphuso | Guerin: well, with certain graphical irc clients there are pictures on irc |
| 08:08.31 | Guerin | sciboy: ANY half-arsed irc client has that. |
| 08:08.39 | Guerin | caphuso: *shudder* |
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| 08:09.37 | flammifer | both synaptic and firefox crash. I just did an upgrade. |
| 08:09.57 | flammifer | um, any suggestions about trying to fix things ? |
| 08:10.25 | flammifer | (apart from formatting and reinstalling everything :P That's what I used to do on windows ...) |
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| 08:10.39 | blaamann | flammifer: Have you tried to update your system again ? |
| 08:11.35 | flammifer | apt-get update ? or upgrade ? |
| 08:11.41 | Guerin | fantomas: i suggest you give more detail |
| 08:11.43 | fantomas | hi. Is there a tool for migrating contact list with history between different icq clients? I need to convert local database from LICQ's to CENTERICQ's. |
| 08:11.52 | fantomas | Guerin: :) |
| 08:11.58 | flammifer | (I just did an upgrade ten minutes ago, since then, firefox has problems :P) |
| 08:12.06 | blaamann | aflammifer:apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 08:12.16 | sepski | flammifer, install apt-listbugs :) |
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| 08:12.57 | caphuso | fantomas: cicqconv |
| 08:13.05 | liable | how about just checking the bts and re-installing the older version..? |
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| 08:13.12 | flammifer | a new upgrade has nothing new to install. I'm installing listbugs, whatever that is :) |
| 08:13.17 | parsonsd | sciboy -- if you're using irsii, you can use [page up] to view your previously viewed irc. you did read /usr/share/doc/irsii-text/ docs, didn't you? |
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| 08:13.49 | caphuso | parsonsd: it's irssi or ircii. not irsii |
| 08:14.03 | sepski | flammifer, it queries the bts when you upgrade, listing the critical bugs. allowing you to abort the upgrade if there is a bug that would affect you |
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| 08:14.16 | parsonsd | caphuso: whoops! so you're right. pardon me. |
| 08:15.07 | flammifer | sepki, damn, it seems it's too late for that now :P |
| 08:15.39 | sciboy | Anyway, on upgrading nvidia to 8174, i startx and get a blank screen, CTRL+ALT+BCKSPACE and CTRL+ALT+F1 doesn't appear to respond. |
| 08:15.44 | fantomas | caphuso: thanks |
| 08:16.21 | sciboy | I have to do a reboot to get anyway again. =/ |
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| 08:17.09 | liable | wpasupplicant.. for using wpa.. |
| 08:17.17 | liable | doh |
| 08:17.18 | parsonsd | sciboy -- i'm not much help to you since I cannot run annvidia driver that new -- my card is not supported with recent drivers. i'd check the nvidia help doc to verify yours is too |
| 08:17.52 | flammifer | dammit. I'm behind an Evil Firewall, listbugs can't get the bug reports :P |
| 08:18.09 | sciboy | My chip is a NVIDIA Geforce 4 460 Go |
| 08:18.58 | parsonsd | as i recall, the supported hardware is listed in appendix A |
| 08:18.58 | sciboy | Oh and as a side-note my kernel is 2.6.11 =P |
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| 08:19.30 | flammifer | any more suggestions for trying to miracle my system back to normal (or at least, back to usability) ? |
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| 08:20.16 | flammifer | maybe reinstalling a few packages would do the trick, but I have no ideas which ones (apparently, reinstalling synaptic and firefox doesn't do the trick) |
| 08:20.42 | parsonsd | sciboy -- the next thing to do would be to go back through the /etc/XF86-Config4 file and make sure that you are only trying to use something simple such as 800x600x16 or 640x480x16 |
| 08:20.54 | Any_Key | hello is anybody know _simple_ solution for Skype dependency problem with libqt3c102-mt ? |
| 08:21.03 | samlii | Whats the usual cause for /dev/hd* already mounted or /* is busy? I can't figure out why my system is saying this though I know neither of those is true |
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| 08:21.40 | sciboy | parsonsd: *cough* xorg.conf |
| 08:21.54 | Robb | hmm I have a (I guess) a Quite wierd quistion... |
| 08:21.57 | Guerin | deadcat: cities.totl.net? |
| 08:22.24 | Robb | i hava Debian installed and running fine but it freezes... |
| 08:22.47 | Robb | can some one help? |
| 08:22.55 | wobbler | flammifer, you might try at-get dist-upgrade if your running testing or unstable |
| 08:22.56 | samlii | I suppose I should say what did change ;) I moved the drive from an onbaord IDE controller to a PCI controller, but yes I am trying to mount the correct new drive |
| 08:23.31 | parsonsd | sciboy -- sorry. i must have skimmed the channel too lightly since i wandered away... :/ |
| 08:23.37 | bobbens | Any_Key: you can find the solution on the skype forums, it consists on unpackaging the package, redoing the description, repacking it and installing it |
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| 08:23.54 | flammifer | wobbler, erm, stoopid question : how do I know if I'm running testing or unstable ? :P I'm used to synaptic, not apt |
| 08:24.36 | Robb | who shold a talk to about a Debian question? |
| 08:24.51 | blaamann | Robb: Specify your problem |
| 08:24.55 | Any_Key | bobbens: Yes but I just wont apt-get upgrade work with it in the future |
| 08:25.06 | parsonsd | robb, how often does it freeze? |
| 08:25.12 | Robb | blaamann: I got it installed and running |
| 08:25.22 | cahoot | flammifer: /etc/apt/sources.list should give some hint |
| 08:25.30 | wobbler | fpamm /etc/debian-version |
| 08:25.31 | Robb | it wreezes just sometimes and not when im using the keeboard. |
| 08:25.32 | Frosted | or /etc/debian_version |
| 08:25.59 | parsonsd | robb, at a console? |
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| 08:26.14 | parsonsd | or a xwindows session? |
| 08:26.15 | bobbens | flammifer: less /etc/apt/sources.list and see what they point to |
| 08:26.15 | bobbens | Any_Key: you getting skype with apt-get? |
| 08:26.35 | Robb | blaamann: its not freeszing complely.. Ican move the pointer. |
| 08:26.47 | Any_Key | bobbens: want to |
| 08:27.23 | bobbens | Any_Key: then it would be the "maintainers" problem which in this case is skype for not using the dependencies |
| 08:27.30 | Robb | blaamann: and it unfrezes by klicking the Alt key... |
| 08:27.44 | bobbens | Any_Key: you can probably create a dummy package to fill the void |
| 08:28.16 | Robb | blaamann: nI can still move around some / all windows in KDE but Everything else stops. |
| 08:28.26 | flammifer | in my config I have debian --> "testing"; security -> "sarge/updates", and unofficial -> "sid"; so, it seems that it's testing (is all that normal ? I'm always confused with those sid and sarge things) |
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| 08:28.53 | liable | Any_Key: theres a fair bit of info if you google for skype .debs depending on the version. |
| 08:29.08 | liable | Any_Key: and the dependancy problems.. |
| 08:30.03 | dutchfish | i want to build a firewall with dmz on top of a headless debian sarge in need the support of vpn but not openvpn; where can i found info on that? |
| 08:30.10 | flammifer | is it normal that the various apt-get sources all use different versions ? o.O |
| 08:30.25 | blaamann | Robb: Do you experience the same with Gnome or another wm/desktop system ? |
| 08:30.33 | liable | different versions? |
| 08:30.36 | Any_Key | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.52 | Robb | blaamann: I dont use another... |
| 08:31.00 | flammifer | liable, well, testing, sid, sarge, etc. |
| 08:31.15 | flammifer | (ok, maybe those aren't called versions. what are they called ?) |
| 08:31.29 | liable | flammifer: well, no, it isnt normal, and congrats, you are prolly using sid now.. |
| 08:31.34 | Any_Key | liable: I'd made homework just wanted _simple_ |
| 08:31.40 | Robb | blaamann: it is also hard to get it ti do the same again... |
| 08:32.02 | wobbler | flammifer, looks like your running sid |
| 08:32.21 | flammifer | liable, well, how *should* it be ? is sid the same as testing (or is it unstable ?) |
| 08:32.29 | liable | Any_Key: there are ubuntu debs out there that install without any probs depending on whether you are using etch or whatever. |
| 08:32.29 | flammifer | should I set them all to sid ? |
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| 08:32.37 | wobbler | flammifer, i hope you learn quickly :-) |
| 08:32.52 | Any_Key | Yeah I know |
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| 08:33.15 | Robb | blaamann: I updated from an old kernel and a old version of KDE but still the same problem altough happens little moore seldom now... |
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| 08:33.30 | Any_Key | liable: thanks. |
| 08:33.37 | flammifer | a friend configured this stuff for me some time ago. I have no idea if it's normal or not. I looked at the online debian help and, well, it didn't help me much. |
| 08:33.39 | liable | np |
| 08:33.48 | liable | !reference |
| 08:33.48 | dpkg | reference is probably The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 08:34.06 | liable | flammifer: ^^ read it |
| 08:34.13 | Robb | blaamann even the uptime clock stops... (sorry for giving stupid details but i dont know whats important) |
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| 08:35.46 | liable | flammifer: its in the repo's too, so you can apt-get it for future, erm, reference :) |
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| 08:35.52 | dutchfish | Robb, could it be the mainboard's bios? |
| 08:36.31 | Robb | Dutchfish: humm havent thought about that... |
| 08:36.53 | bobbens | Robb: what motherboard do you have? mine freezes if i dont add noapic nolapic in grub |
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| 08:36.59 | dutchfish | Robb, try booting with the 'noapic' option |
| 08:37.35 | dutchfish | Robb, i had a similar problem and this option did it for me |
| 08:38.41 | Robb | okay!.. humm I'm such a newbie.. so... Where do I do that?... |
| 08:38.51 | dutchfish | Robb, grub |
| 08:38.54 | Robb | I got a nootebook Compaq m700 |
| 08:39.37 | liable | !laptop |
| 08:39.37 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 08:39.57 | liable | Robb: check to see if someone else has the same problem ^^ |
| 08:40.12 | Robb | okay.. Thanks! |
| 08:41.20 | dutchfish | i want to build a firewall with dmz on top of a headless debian sarge; i need the support of vpn but not openvpn; where can i found info on that? |
| 08:42.46 | parsonsd | dutchfish: have you considered ipsec? |
| 08:43.02 | dutchfish | parsonsd, thats exactly what i want to do |
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| 08:43.29 | liable | dutchfish: http://www.shorewall.net/VPNBasics.html ?? |
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| 08:43.43 | dutchfish | liable, a big thx |
| 08:46.25 | samlii | how does one figure out what level of dma a drive is using, or if it is using dma at all? |
| 08:46.47 | liable | samlii: hdparm |
| 08:48.11 | samlii | liable: Is there some other way, maybe in proc? hdparm is in my usr bin which isn't accessible at the moment (see earlier question ;) ) |
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| 08:48.28 | cahoot | samlii: dmesg |
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| 08:49.01 | flammifer | Should all sources in apt/sources.list point to the same distribution ? (i.e. if I have one in unstable, is it best to have 'em all in unstable ?) |
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| 08:50.01 | liable | flammifer: apt will install the newest packages available unless you are pinning. please read the debian reference link dpkg gave you, also the apt-howto is worth your while. |
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| 08:50.45 | nukeu666 | what the recommended program to write mails if i dont want to use pine? |
| 08:50.50 | dutchfish | flammifer, man sources.list |
| 08:51.10 | samlii | cahoot: the UDMA(#) at the end of the line I assume? |
| 08:51.23 | cahoot | samlii: yes |
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| 08:51.35 | samlii | cahoot: thanks |
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| 08:52.31 | parsonsd | many mail programs. mutt is probably what you want |
| 08:53.04 | parsonsd | dutchfish, i'm still picking up ipsec, mostly on an obsd system |
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| 08:57.01 | dutchfish | parsonsd, thx again ;) |
| 08:57.50 | samlii | Problem solved, evms was screwing something up so I had to change the drive in the sysfs excludes (the one I moved) |
| 08:58.20 | rafx | nukeu666: mutt or elm are nice alternatives to pine for non-gui interface |
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| 08:59.49 | nukeu666 | i cant find pine in the apt list so i was looking for alternates |
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| 09:05.34 | dutchfish | pasonsd, ok i have that working in my test environment, what would you consider the best option on QOS? if that is possible on a vpn fw |
| 09:06.00 | liable | beowu1f: ipmasq, shorewall, firestarter, fireholl. etc. shorewall is nice, good info on there site. |
| 09:06.43 | beowu1f | liable have you done internet sharing before this way? |
| 09:07.01 | liable | beowu1f: with shorewall, yes. |
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| 09:08.35 | beowu1f | liable awsome if i have some troubles getting up and running would you mind giving me a hand at some point? |
| 09:08.46 | dutchfish | liable, how to start implenting packetshaping with those tools? |
| 09:09.15 | liable | beowu1f: read the two interfaces howto at the shorewall site, pretty good howto. |
| 09:09.32 | liable | dutchfish: sorry, i dont know. |
| 09:09.44 | beowu1f | liable will do thanks |
| 09:10.02 | dutchfish | liable, i want to find a way to implement quality of service with my firewall & vpn |
| 09:11.12 | dutchfish | libale in a way that ssh and other important protos have prevelence over ftp etc |
| 09:11.35 | bizkit | dutchfish: have a look on wondershaper, qos, qdisc and so on, ask google |
| 09:11.37 | liable | dutchfish: never done it. |
| 09:12.40 | dutchfish | bizkit, i am reading a lot about qdisc and ip and netfilter ... but this is hard to implement |
| 09:13.44 | bizkit | dutchfish: perhaps you'll be fine with wondershaper, which is an easy script. however, if you have a custom kernel you need certain modules, you should read the docs and understand first |
| 09:14.07 | dutchfish | bizkit, i will do, thx |
| 09:15.33 | bizkit | flammifer: there is no problem, you should have a look on apt-cache policy <package> and search on google |
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| 09:17.08 | liable | flammifer: read slower :) |
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| 09:19.07 | flammifer | "<liable> flammifer: well, no, it isnt normal, and congrats, you are prolly using sid now.." <-- I'm still looking for what isn't normal (and, yes, looking for something relevant in the docs or on google too) |
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| 09:19.42 | liable | !pinning |
| 09:19.42 | dpkg | methinks apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 09:19.59 | parsonsd | dutchfish -- you seem to be farther along than i am. |
| 09:20.39 | liable | flammifer: if you are *not* pinning, then you are running sid. google apt pinning.. |
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| 09:23.00 | liable | flammifer: from the apt-howto.... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
| 09:23.13 | flammifer | ah ok, pinning :) I don't know id I'm pinning, I'll read up on that, thanks :P |
| 09:24.07 | drp | ok not a debian specific question but ... how do I redirect stderr and stdout in the terminal |
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| 09:24.29 | drp | I want to direct it from an app to a file ... ex. psql -f schema.sql > output |
| 09:24.34 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 09:24.39 | drp | I thought it was >& |
| 09:24.59 | lgd_ | whot is top video board for linux? |
| 09:26.17 | deadcat | ? |
| 09:26.26 | lgd_ | what is sorry |
| 09:26.39 | deadcat | what are you high? |
| 09:26.52 | lgd_ | boh |
| 09:27.06 | deadcat | then aint no one gonna help you |
| 09:27.07 | KLD | anyone can help with how to remove a module in debian .. I installed ipw2200 driver and want to update them but can't since older module is installed thnx |
| 09:27.35 | deadcat | KLD: installed as in loaded or its part of the current kernel? |
| 09:27.47 | KLD | not part of kernel no |
| 09:28.12 | deadcat | KLD: its loaded right now and you want to remove the module? |
| 09:28.36 | KLD | ummm its not loaded either .. not showing in dmesg :( |
| 09:28.44 | KLD | its there though |
| 09:28.57 | deadcat | modprobe -l |grep modulename | xargs rm |
| 09:29.06 | KLD | m-a shows its still there |
| 09:29.36 | KLD | what does xargs do? |
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| 09:30.06 | pingouin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.41 | dutchfish | parsonsd, i just read that shorewall has options for packetshaping |
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| 09:35.08 | flammifer | So, apparently I'm not pinning (no weird mysterious preferences set) ... maybe it'd work better if I just set everything to sid, and ran an upgrade ? That shouldn't cause any problems, right ? |
| 09:36.02 | dutchfish | parsonsd, fwmark from the build-in is what i need |
| 09:36.22 | flammifer | (I know that's irreversible, or at least fairly hard to reverse, so I want to be cautious) |
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| 09:36.43 | liable | !sid faq |
| 09:36.43 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 09:40.44 | dutchfish | bizkit, do i need a custom kernel in Sarge or has the stanaard kernel QoS enabled in relation to HTB, PRIO & SFQ? |
| 09:41.20 | flammifer | ok, ok, maybe I won't put everything under sid :P |
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| 09:42.33 | liable | flammifer: to late now, re-install or live with sid :) |
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| 09:44.21 | flammifer | :P |
| 09:44.48 | asprin | hello |
| 09:44.58 | nukeu666 | when should i choose doing dist-upgrade over upgrade? |
| 09:45.31 | petemc | when you dont want shit to be held back |
| 09:46.01 | dutchfish | nukeu666, when you pointed your sources.list to newer version |
| 09:46.05 | weyoun | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 09:46.17 | NichtMued | dutchfish: You can active certain QoS features by manually loading corresponding kernel modules using e.g. modconf AFAIK |
| 09:46.55 | NichtMued | active <- activate |
| 09:47.06 | dutchfish | NichtMued, so its not a kernel build-in, that i need to rebuild the kernel? |
| 09:47.29 | nukeu666 | whts the amil diff between those 2 types of upgrade? |
| 09:47.34 | nukeu666 | mail* |
| 09:47.39 | nukeu666 | main* (damn) |
| 09:47.45 | petemc | man apt-get |
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| 09:48.35 | NichtMued | dutchfish: I am not sure what you mean, but if the desired option hasn't been built into the Debian kernel, I'll take a look at the available modules before compiling my own kernel |
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| 09:49.04 | chorse | gna |
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| 09:50.32 | NichtMued | dutchfish: apt-cache search modutils for 2.4 kernels, apt-cache search module-init-tools for >2.5 kernels |
| 09:51.01 | dutchfish | NichtMued, i only need the HTB scheduler, the PRIO pseudosheduler and the SFQ queue |
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| 09:51.42 | dutchfish | NichtMued, for the 2.6 kernel |
| 09:52.11 | NichtMued | dutchfish: cd /lib/modules; find . -iname "*htb*" |
| 09:52.15 | Dackel | hi i am searching a hoster of a repository server for netpkg |
| 09:52.32 | NichtMued | dutchfish: search for *prio* and *sfq*, too. |
| 09:52.44 | NichtMued | dutchfish: on my 2.6 Sarge system, all searches were positive |
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| 09:53.28 | dutchfish | NichtMued, yes indeed Sarge has them all in modules |
| 09:53.53 | NichtMued | dutchfish: so you just need to configure your system such that these modules will be auto-loaded at bootup |
| 09:53.58 | dutchfish | NichtMued, a big thx for your support :) |
| 09:54.28 | dutchfish | NichtMued, thx, that drill i know |
| 09:54.33 | NichtMued | dutchfish: so try to use package module-init-tools to load them... |
| 09:54.35 | NichtMued | dutchfish: np |
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| 09:55.58 | ledet | Dackel: try dotsrc.org |
| 09:56.55 | Wille88 | does anyone in here use xorg from experimental? |
| 09:57.28 | ledet | Wille88: not me |
| 09:58.09 | NichtMued | Hi guys. On my system, dnsmasq both replaces bind9 and dhcpd. I read in the docs that dnsmasq uses /etc/hosts and its lease database to resolve local queries. My /etc/hosts is empty. It seems that dnsmasq does not use the lease file for resolving local queries. What I am doing wrong? |
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| 09:58.37 | Dackel | thx |
| 09:58.40 | sts9 | could anyone help with an issue Im having with a PCI soundcard and an onboard one. Im trying to figure out how to keep the onboard from being initialized. using debian unstable with 2.6.14 kernel |
| 09:59.10 | petemc | sts9: disable it in the bios |
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| 10:00.15 | asprin | My calculator appears the problem !who can help me? |
| 10:00.37 | theD3viL | someone have apollon and gift-fasttrack working on sarge? |
| 10:00.50 | NichtMued | Or in other words: how should I change dnsmasq.conf so that dnsmasq uses the lease file for solving local queries? |
| 10:00.54 | dutchfish | NichtMued, are you using dhcp3? |
| 10:01.30 | NichtMued | dutchfish: I am using dnsmasq which provides a neat DNS and DHCP server for small LANs. |
| 10:01.43 | ledet | sts9: deactivate it in your bios? |
| 10:02.39 | Dackel | ledet: you can't sign at the moment |
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| 10:06.40 | dutchfish | NichtMued, i personally use dhcp3-server, squid, pdns and its webinterface |
| 10:07.05 | dutchfish | NichtMued, this has many more options for a larger net |
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| 10:07.51 | dutchfish | NichtMued, is your resolv.conf ok? |
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| 10:08.22 | faisal_d | guys, i have sarge installed... well it break my system if i add etch to my repositories?? |
| 10:08.53 | dutchfish | NichtMued, if i am not mistaken dnsmasq is using it |
| 10:09.08 | petemc | faisal_d: theres always a chance of breakage, i dont think its too bad atm tho |
| 10:09.37 | faisal_d | i see... ok, thanx petemc |
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| 10:11.51 | dutchfish | faisal_d, if it is a production machine, dont, because of no sec fixes |
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| 10:12.25 | faisal_d | no no... dutchfish, it's my home machine, and i just wanted newer versions of Firefox, thunderbird, and stuff like that |
| 10:14.00 | azeem | etch has security support |
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| 10:14.44 | sts9 | ok there is no option in my BIOS to turn off the onboard sound. I recompiled my kernel and de-selected the driver for the onboard sound. arts and Alsa seem to be working ok and xmms with the arts plugin is showing output, so where is it goiing of niether souncard is outputting sound to my speakers? |
| 10:15.08 | takatumi | sts9: unmuted? |
| 10:15.25 | sts9 | Im using a SB Live 24-bit and copiled alsa and the driver into the kernel |
| 10:15.25 | dutchfish | sts9, did you check your volume control? i had the same problem once |
| 10:17.00 | sts9 | yes - somehow since I updated kde my sound system isnt (PCM, MASTER, etc) its now (front, analog, center nalog, etc) but they are all turned up |
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| 10:17.34 | sts9 | I even have arts realtime priority working |
| 10:18.22 | sts9 | lspci gives these two |
| 10:18.41 | takatumi | sts9: install alsa-utils, run alsamixer, make sure you no "M" |
| 10:18.42 | sts9 | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 10:18.55 | sts9 | 0000:01:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
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| 10:18.56 | sts9 | ok |
| 10:19.09 | takatumi | s/you/you have/ |
| 10:20.37 | sts9 | hmm I dont see any "M" |
| 10:21.12 | sts9 | I could even take a snapshot of it and post it on the net. |
| 10:24.38 | sts9 | aplay -l only shows my driver for the soundblaster - ca0106' |
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| 10:24.49 | sts9 | which is good I think |
| 10:24.55 | takatumi | sts9: *shrug* my onboard ali5451 even gives me multiple streams. |
| 10:24.58 | sts9 | im just not sure why I dont hear anything |
| 10:25.53 | takatumi | look mah no dmix! |
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| 10:28.00 | theD3viL | Is that real? I saved some file in OO 2.0 and save it on disc, and now cant open with OO 1.1 ?! |
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| 10:28.37 | faisal_d | thed3vil... if you saved it as ODT, you can't open it in OOo 1.1... |
| 10:28.52 | zcram | theD3viL: use a sane format... not some odt bleeding edge stuff.. |
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| 10:29.13 | faisal_d | thed3vil: try saving it as .sxw |
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| 10:32.04 | liable | hrm, out of interest who was flooding? |
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| 10:33.04 | Eclipser | flooding? |
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| 10:33.20 | liable | Eclipser: got kicked into overflow.. |
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| 10:33.39 | liable | Eclipser: and was being harassed shortly before.. |
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| 10:33.41 | Eclipser | netsplit ended and everyone joined at the same time |
| 10:33.52 | theD3viL | hm...but i cant open it now..how can i saved it different ? |
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| 10:34.07 | liable | Eclipser: ah, netsplit, np. |
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| 10:34.26 | theD3viL | faisal_d, i cant open it now.... |
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| 10:34.30 | faisal_d | theD3vil: you don't have access to OOo 2 to save as something else? |
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| 10:34.41 | weyoun | ... |
| 10:35.01 | theD3viL | faisal_d, no, now i have only ooo1.4 (sarge). |
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| 10:35.16 | theD3viL | faisal_d, i saved this file when i have ubuntu |
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| 10:35.43 | liable | weyoun: stop |
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| 10:36.41 | liable | weyoun: stop being a moron. |
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| 10:37.01 | faisal_d | theD3vil: give me a minute.. i am checking if this idea of mine might work, k? |
| 10:37.14 | theD3viL | faisal_d, k |
| 10:37.21 | weyoun | stop being a moron |
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| 10:38.30 | faisal_d | theD3vil... this is a VERY ugly hack... but hope it helps... |
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| 10:38.51 | theD3viL | faisal_d, tell me it |
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| 10:39.04 | blaamann | theD3viL: What version of Debian are you running ? The newest koffice support odt to some degree. Try using kword opening your odt files. |
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| 10:39.56 | theD3viL | blaamann, sarge |
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| 10:40.39 | faisal_d | theD3vil try what blaamann said, because it is much easier... but here is my method of that doesn't work (not sure if mine will work also) |
| 10:41.00 | KLD | anyone had this issue of "dereferencing pointer to incompete type" while installing ipw2200 latest |
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| 10:41.51 | theD3viL | blaamann, faisal_d, if i wanna have newest kword i have to upgrade to unstable. |
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| 10:42.52 | blaamann | theD3viL: ASAIK you need to upgrade to testing or use konstruct to install kde3.5 in Sarge (which was what I did just for testing!) |
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| 10:42.59 | Eulex | KLD, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/t379929.html |
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| 10:43.05 | faisal_d | theD3vil: unzip -d test filename.odt, this will create a folder called test that contains the XML data of your document, check out the content.xml file, under the node Office:Body you will find your document text, now open OOo 1.1 create an empty document and do the same to it... copy the Office:Body node form the first file to the second and hopefully it will work... |
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| 10:43.34 | weyoun | talk about splits |
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| 10:44.19 | weyoun | awww somebody needs a hug |
| 10:44.25 | theD3viL | faisal_d, i tried just unzip .. and then opened content.xml...in ooo...but dont show nothing |
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| 10:44.44 | theD3viL | blaamann, testing have oo2.0 ? |
| 10:45.12 | Eulex | theD3viL, no |
| 10:45.28 | theD3viL | Eulex, k..tnx |
| 10:45.29 | blaamann | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.32 | liable | caphuso: thank you, i have been copping shit from that moron for the last 20 mins. |
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| 10:45.54 | faisal_d | theD3vil, try opening it in a browser window |
| 10:46.23 | caphuso | liable: i was hoping he would get bored and stop :-/ |
| 10:46.32 | blaamann | theD3viL: What I have also done on my Sarge box is to use alien to install the rpm OO.2.0 packages from openoffice.org |
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| 10:47.05 | liable | caphuso: me too. (and unfortunately he's registered.. :( |
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| 10:47.47 | faisal_d | Eulex.. does testing have OOo 1.9? because that can handle ODT |
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| 10:48.10 | Eulex | faisal_d, no. 1.9 was just pre-release 2.0. |
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| 10:48.38 | sts9 | does anyone have experience with the realtime-lsm module. Im having trouble loading it - FATAL: Error inserting realtime (/lib/modules/2.6.14.12-16-2005d/kernel/security/realtime.ko): Invalid argument |
| 10:48.57 | sts9 | thats the output from modconf |
| 10:48.58 | clars | how do I reconfigure my grafic card settings? |
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| 10:49.16 | Eulex | !drxx clars |
| 10:49.16 | dpkg | clars: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 10:49.48 | clars | great thanks :-) |
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| 10:50.08 | faisal_d | theD3vil, what happened? |
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| 10:50.23 | Weyoun1211 | meow |
| 10:50.46 | theD3viL | faisal_d, nothing happend |
| 10:51.02 | Eulex | clars, though if you want 3d acceleration, many newer cards require a special binary driver. |
| 10:51.06 | theD3viL | faisal_d, dont works |
| 10:51.14 | theD3viL | faisal_d, i must upgrade to unstable =//// |
| 10:51.20 | faisal_d | don't... |
| 10:51.21 | Weyoun1211 | Giggity giggity awwwriight |
| 10:51.34 | faisal_d | theD3vil, i tried that once, and it broke my machine beyond recognition |
| 10:51.37 | Eulex | theD3viL, no |
| 10:51.38 | faisal_d | i had to do a re-install |
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| 10:52.00 | Eulex | !easy sid backport |
| 10:52.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
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| 10:52.28 | Shadowcat | heh |
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| 10:52.32 | Gumby | does anyone know how to make sure lvm init script is started BEFORE the fsck takes place @ boot time? fsck is starting before lvm has started and causes the "fsck failed. Please replair manually" "CONTROL-D will exit.. blah blah... root passwd for maintenance" message. |
| 10:52.35 | blaamann | theD3viL: You could try to install the rpm versions of OO2 using alien, it works for me, but as I am a newbie in debian you should take my advice with care |
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| 10:52.41 | Shadowcat | I do NOT recommend people to upgrade to unstable at this time |
| 10:52.42 | caphuso | damn, damn, damn |
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| 10:52.58 | lilo | for now we seem to have resolved the problem |
| 10:53.14 | Shadowcat | summary of what's broken in unstable: kernel, KDE, yarid |
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| 10:53.16 | liable | lilo: can you plaese kline the asshole? |
| 10:53.19 | theD3viL | blaamann, eh...no.. |
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| 10:53.22 | Shadowcat | and that's pretty serious |
| 10:53.24 | Boter | hello |
| 10:53.33 | theD3viL | Shadowcat, why ? |
| 10:53.37 | Boter | i just have some problem... i have some server machine |
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| 10:53.42 | Boter | and it was moved... somehow LAN card fell out of slot. now i gave it on right place... |
| 10:53.49 | Boter | what to do so i dont need to reboot? |
| 10:54.00 | Boter | my hdd probably wont boot if i turn it off |
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| 10:54.18 | azeem | theD3viL: there's a OOo2 backport at www.backports.org |
| 10:54.23 | Shadowcat | theD3viL: you do _know_ what a broken kernel entails right? |
| 10:54.31 | caphuso | Boter: server machine as in hardware actually able to hotswap pci cards? |
| 10:54.32 | wOOt | huh, im on unstable, dident dist-upgrade since 2 months.. will wait for good news |
| 10:54.36 | theD3viL | Shadowcat, yea :S |
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| 10:54.58 | theD3viL | azeem, hm..is there backports source list for sarge ? |
| 10:55.12 | azeem | theD3viL: what do you want to do? |
| 10:55.29 | azeem | you mean an sourcs.list line? |
| 10:55.33 | theD3viL | azeem, yes |
| 10:55.39 | azeem | theD3viL: well, of course |
| 10:55.43 | azeem | did you look at the siteß |
| 10:55.44 | azeem | ? |
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| 10:55.56 | theD3viL | azeem, now looking |
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| 10:56.16 | theD3viL | azeem, this? rsync://rsync.backports.org/debian |
| 10:56.21 | liable | caphuso: |Alucard| ..... |
| 10:56.39 | azeem | theD3viL: eh, probably not |
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| 10:57.14 | theD3viL | azeem, eh..i found out for my country :D tnx..didnt know that backports came from debian...i thougt ubuntu relased them |
| 10:57.27 | Eulex | theD3viL, look at the second news entry... |
| 10:57.32 | azeem | theD3viL: huh |
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| 10:57.47 | Shadowcat | ubuntu?! |
| 10:57.50 | Shadowcat | UBUNTU?!?! |
| 10:57.53 | segment | Is there any support for VIA6410 RAID controllers as yet? |
| 10:57.59 | Shadowcat | Ubuntu wouldn't exist if it weren't for debian |
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| 10:59.27 | theD3viL | Shadowcat, okey come down..sry didnt know :S |
| 10:59.31 | azeem | lindx: please turn off public away |
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| 11:00.50 | theD3viL | Eulex, yes i see..tnx |
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| 11:02.19 | theD3viL | The requested URL /pending/openoffice.org/ was not found on this server. :(( |
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| 11:03.04 | azeem | theD3viL: look at the first entry |
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| 11:03.45 | Eulex | theD3viL, sry, look at the first one, as azeem said... |
| 11:05.18 | Eulex | theD3viL, especially the instructions part |
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| 11:06.52 | slept | qui |
| 11:07.10 | slept | sorry |
| 11:07.46 | theD3viL | hm...if i use backports is more save than unstable ? |
| 11:07.49 | theD3viL | or testing ? |
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| 11:08.17 | caphuso | theD3viL: depends on what you backport... |
| 11:08.18 | azeem | theD3viL: yes |
| 11:08.27 | azeem | caphuso: he means www.backports.org |
| 11:08.37 | wOOt | ah lol |
| 11:08.37 | blaamann | backports are ok as long as you don't have too many of them |
| 11:08.50 | sts9 | ok, last question. I have realtime-lsm module that loads at system startup. I want it to be started with certain arguements passed to it. how edo I do thsi and how do I check to see the arguements that were passed to modules that are currently running? |
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| 11:08.54 | theD3viL | azeem, but its not recommended right? |
| 11:08.59 | caphuso | azeem: well, if suddenly a backport of a libc6 version in experimental appeared there, i still wouldn't want to use it |
| 11:09.34 | azeem | caphuso: sure, it has a rather good reputation so far though |
| 11:10.01 | azeem | theD3viL: well, it's recommended for people who need to have new software |
| 11:10.28 | sciboy | Hey guys |
| 11:11.02 | sciboy | Still unable to get v8174 of the NVIDIA drivers to work for me, so again i have to downgrade. =/ |
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| 11:11.16 | caphuso | sciboy: tried #nvidia? |
| 11:11.30 | sciboy | I startx and the screen goes blank, i can't do anything to get out of it but rebooting. |
| 11:11.47 | sciboy | caphuso: Can't say i have. =P |
| 11:11.51 | caphuso | funny. i've got the same problem with my matrix card and 2.6.14 kernel |
| 11:11.57 | caphuso | s/rix/rox/ |
| 11:12.03 | theD3viL | azeem, but is totaly save? Nothing broken? |
| 11:12.10 | sciboy | Geforce 4 460 Go - 2.6.11 |
| 11:12.17 | azeem | theD3viL: nothing is totally save |
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| 11:12.27 | caphuso | stinking pile of elephant poo crap card... |
| 11:12.34 | azeem | theD3viL: but I think you said you're not running a production server, right? |
| 11:12.49 | sciboy | I don't have any trouble with 7174 (I think thats the version) |
| 11:13.00 | theD3viL | azeem, no..i have desktop comp |
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| 11:13.02 | caphuso | sciboy: and do you have any reason to upgrade? |
| 11:13.16 | sciboy | caphuso: Out of habit, i run unstable and dist-upgrade every other week. |
| 11:13.29 | sciboy | caphuso: I just downgrade and it works fine, although it is a pain. |
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| 11:13.35 | sdakota | hi |
| 11:13.43 | caphuso | sciboy: well, it wouldn't be a pain if you didn't upgrade... |
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| 11:14.03 | sciboy | caphuso: Yeah, but if there is a problem i prefer to find a solution rather than avoid it. =P |
| 11:14.15 | sciboy | caphuso: Plus 8174 comes with some features i could use. |
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| 11:14.53 | theD3viL | azeem, http://lists.backports.org/pipermail/backports/2005-December/001673.html > i read there..i must change the file preferneces...to deactivate backports .. why ? |
| 11:15.17 | liable | caphuso: please ban the fucktard |Alucard| |
| 11:15.29 | azeem | theD3viL: so that you do not get all backports automatically when you apt-get upgrade, but just those that you want |
| 11:15.31 | caphuso | liable: what's he doing? |
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| 11:15.57 | liable | caphuso: nm, i'll try my luck in #freenode |
| 11:15.58 | sdakota | i'm having problems with my virtualhosts in Apache2 - I've got two symlinks in sites-enabled, 000default and dazjorz.com |
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| 11:16.11 | caphuso | liable: if he's /msg'ing you, then i can't do anything about it |
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| 11:16.36 | liable | caphuso: yeah, seems no-one wants to.. |
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| 11:16.58 | caphuso | liable: oh, i'd love to, but i can't |
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| 11:17.27 | sciboy | caphuso: Trying to find a solution with a text-based browser isn't much fun. =/ |
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| 11:17.40 | theD3viL | azeem, iam little confused...why if i added backports to my sources.list dont want to upgrade all packages ? |
| 11:17.54 | smhar | hi |
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| 11:18.45 | sdakota | i'm having problems with my virtualhosts in Apache2 - I've got two symlinks in sites-enabled, 000default and dazjorz.com --- but all server contacts go to the document root for 000default |
| 11:18.56 | azeem | theD3viL: as some have pointed out, one should use backports only when necessary |
| 11:19.03 | smhar | I am gettin this error in dmesg: eth0: no IPv6 router present. and I can not connect to my router. I am using alcatel adsl modem/router.. not the wireless model |
| 11:19.30 | caphuso | smhar: that's not an error |
| 11:19.31 | Eulex | smhar, that error has nothing to do with your problem. |
| 11:19.40 | caphuso | that's simple stating a fact |
| 11:19.51 | theD3viL | azeem, is there kde and other programs in backports too? |
| 11:20.04 | azeem | theD3viL: I don't know, you will have to look for yourself |
| 11:20.08 | sdakota | Eulex, could you help me please? |
| 11:20.13 | azeem | theD3viL: I don't use www.backports.org |
| 11:20.23 | azeem | well, I don't need it, rather |
| 11:20.27 | theD3viL | azeem, and you have sarge ? |
| 11:20.36 | azeem | yes, at work |
| 11:20.59 | theD3viL | what do you have @ home ? :P |
| 11:21.08 | Eulex | sdakota, why do you assume that I have a clue about your problem? |
| 11:21.20 | sdakota | Eulex, because you've helped me before |
| 11:21.45 | smhar | so what could be the problem |
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| 11:22.11 | azeem | smhar: is your network card detected? |
| 11:22.21 | azeem | ok, seems so if there is eth0 |
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| 11:22.37 | azeem | smhar: did you setup your networking for DHCP or whatever the router requires? |
| 11:22.45 | smhar | yes.. |
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| 11:23.20 | sdakota | anyone who can help me with apache2's NameVirtualHosts? |
| 11:23.22 | smhar | azeem, no, I am using static ip set in /etc/network/interfaces.. the same I am doing with my other pc |
| 11:23.52 | azeem | you use the same IP? |
| 11:23.57 | azeem | can you reach your other PC? |
| 11:23.58 | Eulex | sdakota, I know absolutely nothing about virtual hosts |
| 11:24.16 | sdakota | Eulex, ok - you know anyone here who does? |
| 11:24.17 | caphuso | i know that there's a whole chapter about them in the apache docs |
| 11:24.35 | smhar | azeem, no, I meant the same method not the same IP :-) this pc IP is 10.0.0.4 while the other one is 10.0.0.2 |
| 11:24.45 | Eulex | sdakota, if they do, they will answer |
| 11:25.07 | smhar | I can not even reach the router |
| 11:25.07 | sdakota | Eulex: or not even read it |
| 11:25.22 | azeem | smhar: did you try to ping 10.0.0.2? |
| 11:25.46 | Eulex | !ask |
| 11:25.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:25.56 | smhar | yes.. Destination Host is Unreachable.. the same with 10.0.0.138 (the router) |
| 11:26.11 | smhar | ifconfig is showing eth0 up and running usinf e100 |
| 11:26.28 | azeem | and it shows the right IP? |
| 11:27.35 | azeem | does route show the right route? |
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| 11:27.41 | smhar | azeem, yes.. it shows 10.0.0.4 as it is set in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:28.00 | clars | invesion |
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| 11:29.05 | smhar | right now I am downloading kernel 2.6.14.4 to try compiling a custom one.. maybe it will work.. although I wanted a faster solution if there is one |
| 11:29.46 | azeem | smhar: if your network card is detected, a new kernel won't help I guess |
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| 11:30.02 | azeem | smhar: maybe you have activated some firewalling/access control on the router? |
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| 11:36.16 | aimtrainer | can any of you tell me if there is something like the win copyhandler for linux? so that if you start copying several files it queues them |
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| 11:36.16 | azeem | aimtrainer: you mean local copies? Or transfer over the network? |
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| 11:36.16 | aimtrainer | azeem yea local and via samba |
| 11:36.17 | smhar | azeem, so what should I do. btw I am installing debian stable from a LinuxFormat's Cover DVD |
| 11:36.17 | azeem | why do you need that? |
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| 11:36.17 | at0m|c | aimtrainer, isn't that default in most copy programs/commands? or do you want to add to the queue while it's copying? |
| 11:36.17 | azeem | smhar: maybe you have activated some firewalling/access control on the router? |
| 11:36.17 | aimtrainer | at0m|c if I have a transfer and start another it copies simultaniously |
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| 11:36.17 | at0m|c | right |
| 11:36.17 | aimtrainer | and if I want to copy like 6 files in a row |
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| 11:36.18 | aimtrainer | that s not really good 8[ |
| 11:36.18 | smhar | azeem, I will check that.. but it is working with windows and default mandrake 10 before with the existing settings |
| 11:36.18 | sepski | smhar, you said you saw 10.0.0.4 in the route table ? you shoudnt see 10.0.0.4 in the route table only 10.0.0.0 |
| 11:36.18 | bizkit | i'm currently using cp -a to copy around large amounts of data within many files, is there a tool to do this (preserve everything), plus automatically check the files if they are identical? e.g. use sha1sum or md5sum or such on-the-fly? perhaps rsync? remeber, it's just a local action from mountpoint1 to mointpoint2 |
| 11:36.18 | sepski | smhar, atlest i think you said that, hard to keep track today :P |
| 11:36.18 | azeem | aimtrainer: why not? |
| 11:36.18 | smhar | sepski, I said I saw 10.0.0.4 in ifconfig output not route table |
| 11:36.19 | azeem | smhar: maybe the netmask is wrong? |
| 11:36.19 | aimtrainer | couse then I have 6 different windows open and I think it costs more cpu usage if it copies several files at one time |
| 11:36.26 | smhar | azeem, netmask is correct, maches the one in my other pc and was actually detected by the installer |
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| 11:36.54 | azeem | smhar: can you ping yourself? |
| 11:37.05 | azeem | smhar: can you ping your box from the other PC? |
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| 11:37.50 | smhar | azeem, the worse thing is that I cann't get to internet even in console mode to use something like irssi to get to #debian . I have to reboot in windows every now and then to google and check |
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| 11:38.13 | azeem | just use your other PC for that? |
| 11:38.15 | smhar | azeem, I can only ping localhost not 10.0.0.4 whic is the ip for the pc |
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| 11:38.27 | azeem | smhar: can you ping _from_ the other PC? |
| 11:38.34 | smhar | azeem, no |
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| 11:39.10 | bizkit | did you attach yourself to a special port on your switch like any sort of uplink? |
| 11:39.15 | petemc | bizkit: unsurprising, rsync -a |
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| 11:39.38 | bizkit | petemc: hehe, thanks |
| 11:39.43 | GNULinux | I have troubles setting up ipv6 interface in debian |
| 11:39.45 | GNULinux | I edited /etc/network/interfaces - http://pastebin.com/467689 |
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| 11:41.44 | bizkit | smhar: some switches have a shared uplink port, so if you're already connected to the shared one with another machine, the connection is there (so your network interface is up), but the port is blocked on the switch.. |
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| 11:43.25 | smhar | bizkit, I am using the same port for the pc when booting in windows and it is working. and when trying booting debian on thic pc the other pc was off |
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| 11:45.56 | bizkit | smhar: so you have loaded the right driver for your ethernet card and it gets detected right, the only thing you should edit now is /etc/network/interfaces and then do a invoke-rc.d networking restart |
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| 11:45.56 | bizkit | smhar: paste this file on a pastebin and post the link |
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| 11:47.18 | bizkit | smhar: did you receive my message? i lost connection |
| 11:47.18 | bizkit | smhar: so you have loaded the right driver for your ethernet card and it gets detected right, the only thing you should edit now is /etc/network/interfaces and then do a invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 11:47.19 | bizkit | smhar: paste this file on a pastebin and post the link |
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| 11:47.19 | smhar | bizkit, the card iis detected and the driver is loaded by the installed, I didn't change a thing.. I will boot in debian and get some files to upload to pastebin |
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| 11:49.02 | bizkit | smhar: you should also have a look on at the logfiles when doing /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:49.08 | bizkit | -on |
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| 11:53.07 | bizkit | really quiet today |
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| 12:11.02 | sdakota | m00 =) |
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| 12:11.32 | ErrantEgo | dondelelcaro: why have that channel +m? |
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| 12:11.41 | ErrantEgo | (right now, anyway) |
| 12:11.45 | dondelelcaro | ErrantEgo: because this is the channel to talk in. |
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| 12:11.53 | dondelelcaro | (and I don't want to have to watch -overflow |
| 12:12.12 | ErrantEgo | ah, i was basically just saying, for now.... |
| 12:12.20 | ErrantEgo | till the activity calms down |
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| 12:12.30 | dondelelcaro | since the +J is off, there's no reason not to be in this channel... |
| 12:12.36 | ErrantEgo | but i hear you and your not wanting to look over -overflow |
| 12:12.48 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, wouldn't it be a better idea to kick everyone in #debian-overflow and use the channel only for unregged people? |
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| 12:13.08 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: people get removed from -overflow by the bot... |
| 12:13.17 | dondelelcaro | (and #debian isn't +r) |
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| 12:13.43 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: when will debhelper set a new +l? |
| 12:13.47 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, oh yea, I see, people can't talk and get kicked after 5 minutes if they don't talk |
| 12:13.51 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, smart ^_^ |
| 12:14.01 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: hopefully when someone of us is around to undo it, i mean |
| 12:14.01 | sdakota | meh |
| 12:14.03 | sdakota | good idea |
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| 12:14.29 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: it does it every 5 minutes or so... |
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| 12:14.44 | ErrantEgo | damn, huge banlist in -overflow |
| 12:15.06 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: kk. is there a way to adjust whatever algorithm it is using? |
| 12:15.09 | ErrantEgo | for having it be +m, its huge |
| 12:15.17 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: as 250 is.. not much |
| 12:15.32 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: it's set based on the number of people who are actually in the channel |
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| 12:15.44 | dondelelcaro | it can grow fairly quickly in most cases. |
| 12:15.50 | RichiH | k |
| 12:15.54 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, it tends to grow much faster than J does) |
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| 12:16.16 | goron | I installed kde from unstable, but as with the previous kde, I miss the menu on the left in kcontrol. |
| 12:16.35 | goron | "previous kde"=kde from stable |
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| 12:18.22 | sdakota | dondelelcaro: probably everyone's kicked by now |
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| 12:18.35 | ErrantEgo | RichiH: i'm assuming you dont have +p |
| 12:18.35 | lamp | can i get rid of this error by turning dma of my hd of hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 12:18.38 | lamp | hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 12:18.46 | RichiH | ErrantEgo: i do |
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| 12:18.58 | ErrantEgo | RichiH: hm, must be another umode... |
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| 12:19.09 | RichiH | ErrantEgo: what do you mean? |
| 12:19.16 | ErrantEgo | one of those modes arent set on you cause you wouldnt have been able to be removed by the bot in -overflow |
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| 12:19.24 | ErrantEgo | if it were set on you |
| 12:19.30 | ErrantEgo | i forget what one it is |
| 12:19.42 | RichiH | ErrantEgo: that is m |
| 12:19.48 | ErrantEgo | ah |
| 12:19.56 | RichiH | p is 'do pretty much whatever the fuck you want' |
| 12:19.58 | ErrantEgo | i know it was one of em.. |
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| 12:20.12 | ErrantEgo | +p can be useful if services are dead |
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| 12:20.32 | RichiH | ErrantEgo: or if a channel is J and dondelelcaro can not join to unset it ;) |
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| 12:20.55 | ErrantEgo | its a very useful usermode |
| 12:21.03 | ErrantEgo | you can walk through +i, +l, etc |
| 12:21.05 | ErrantEgo | talk through +m |
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| 12:21.11 | ErrantEgo | dont need to be +v in a +m channel :P |
| 12:21.14 | RichiH | yes |
| 12:21.21 | ErrantEgo | i like |
| 12:21.22 | ErrantEgo | hehe |
| 12:21.33 | RichiH | though we are bound to those modes and rules by staff etiquette |
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| 12:21.50 | RichiH | if dondelelcaro were to +q me right now, i would shut up |
| 12:21.53 | ErrantEgo | i know the schpeel (sp_ |
| 12:22.00 | ErrantEgo | er, (sp) |
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| 12:23.05 | ErrantEgo | although things have changed since the days i were on staff, but i know that a few things are the same |
| 12:23.08 | ErrantEgo | there goes +l |
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| 12:24.40 | liable | RichiH: #freenode staff ignoring /msg? |
| 12:25.11 | bizkit | is there any other media player available wich can handle DVD menus except xine? (mplayer can't and won't) |
| 12:25.20 | RichiH | liable: ? |
| 12:25.31 | liable | RichiH: can i /msg? |
| 12:25.35 | RichiH | sure |
| 12:25.38 | RichiH | i am about to leave, though |
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| 12:28.02 | eliteforce | how can i see the up/download rates of eth0? |
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| 12:28.36 | RichiH | eliteforce: iptraf |
| 12:28.37 | sciboy | Okey, now this is interesting... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343186 |
| 12:28.53 | eliteforce | RichiH: command not found :) |
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| 12:29.13 | RichiH | install it? |
| 12:29.27 | sciboy | Even more so, cause it's coming from another user of a Toshiba laptop. |
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| 12:31.23 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 343186 |
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| 12:31.26 | dpkg | #343186:[nvidia-kernel-source] nvidia-kernel-source 8174 Fails to load proper with 2.6.1[234]; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:03:08 UTC |
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| 12:32.30 | sciboy | Okey, i believe i am suffering from the same bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343186 : and i find it even more suspicious considering that i am using a Toshiba Satellite 5205-S505, and the user reports using a toshiba laptop aswell. |
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| 12:33.24 | Guerin | sciboy: use nv -> problem solved |
| 12:33.40 | sciboy | Guerin: If i wanted a simple solution i would just downgrade. |
| 12:33.51 | Guerin | sciboy: complain to nvidia |
| 12:34.13 | Guerin | sciboy: there's a non-simple solution for you |
| 12:34.37 | sciboy | Guerin: You sure i can't just do something alot more elaborate? |
| 12:35.04 | Guerin | sciboy: you can build your own kernel and install the nvidia kernel crap with that kernel |
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| 12:35.25 | sciboy | Guerin: I doubt that would fix it... |
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| 12:36.26 | Guerin | sciboy: don't doubt; try it. |
| 12:36.40 | Guerin | sciboy: at least then you'd be able to add your findings to the bugreport |
| 12:37.22 | sciboy | Guerin: There is nothing for me to add to the report other than i'm suffering the same problem under a Toshiba satellite aswell. |
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| 12:38.21 | rox | i run a 2.6.12-686 stock kernel, on an ati radeon 9550 with ati proprietary drivers and xorg with xfce as my desktop ... atfer i ctrl-alt-f1 back to the console everything is as expected, but when i ctrl-alt-f7 back to X, my box freezes. Can anybody tell me how i could deal with this problem? |
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| 12:38.46 | Guerin | sciboy: i didn't mread to the end. Did anyone selse build their own kernel? |
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| 12:39.02 | Guerin | http://www.wikipediaclassaction.org/ # piss(wind); |
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| 12:39.50 | sciboy | Guerin: Nope, this guy is the only one reporting the issue in that bug report. |
| 12:40.15 | sciboy | Guerin: He is obviously running a custom kernel though. |
| 12:40.35 | sciboy | Guerin: "Kernel: Linux 2.6.12-toshi.p4" |
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| 12:42.33 | Guerin | sciboy: oh well. |
| 12:42.47 | Guerin | sciboy: sucks to be dependent on proprietary shiteware. |
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| 12:45.33 | Kevin` | what package provides the program 'import'? |
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| 12:46.53 | Botra | <Boter> VFS: Cannot open root device "1601" or 15:01 |
| 12:46.53 | Botra | <Boter> Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 12:46.53 | Botra | <Boter> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:01 |
| 12:46.56 | Botra | any idea? |
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| 12:47.05 | Botra | sorry |
| 12:47.13 | Botra | but i really need help |
| 12:47.15 | Botra | anybody here? |
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| 12:47.21 | clars | I wanna change the clock so what is the packets name for the "Time Set" - [dpkg-reconfigure ??]] |
| 12:47.23 | Kevin` | looks like you don't have kernel support for your root device |
| 12:47.40 | Kevin` | or it's actually incorrect.. i'm not sure what that is |
| 12:47.57 | Botra | clars ntpdate |
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| 12:48.52 | Botra | Kevin`, what schoild i look than |
| 12:49.02 | Kevin` | what did you change |
| 12:49.06 | Botra | nothing |
| 12:49.10 | Botra | i just reboot |
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| 12:49.41 | Immortal | hi |
| 12:49.49 | Kevin` | boot from a livecd and try to determine what happened |
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| 12:50.09 | clars | Botra, no ntpdate |
| 12:50.34 | Botra | clars install it |
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| 12:52.02 | lamp | how can i turn off dma from my hd |
| 12:52.10 | clars | no because NTP is time servere - And I dont wanna connect to NTPservere - I got my bios clock, and I belive I can connect to that, and suck the right time |
| 12:52.26 | kjsdahf | lamp: hdparm |
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| 12:52.40 | Kevin` | clars if so, man hwclock |
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| 12:52.52 | wizzz | hello |
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| 12:53.30 | wizzz | i need a module named it821X at installation so my HDD can be recognized |
| 12:53.38 | lamp | kjsdahf: what option, i can't find my answer in hdparm --help |
| 12:54.01 | wizzz | i use a kernel 2.6.14 but the module is not present, any idea where i could find it ? |
| 12:54.29 | Kevin` | it's not in the kernel source? |
| 12:54.32 | kjsdahf | wizzz: man hdparm then, i cant remeber. |
| 12:54.54 | wizzz | kjsdahf lamp you meaned :) |
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| 12:55.13 | kjsdahf | wizzz: err, yeah, sorry. |
| 12:55.17 | Kevin` | wizzz I have that module in my kernel |
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| 12:55.34 | wizzz | kevin err hmm maybe but i could not recompile at install no ? |
| 12:55.47 | wizzz | i didn't find it in /lib/modules |
| 12:55.53 | wizzz | so modprobe fail of course |
| 12:55.59 | Kevin` | oh this is at install |
| 12:56.04 | wizzz | yes :) |
| 12:56.35 | wizzz | i need this module elsewhere my hdd are not found |
| 12:56.38 | Kevin` | if you find me the config for the kernel i'll make you one |
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| 12:57.03 | wizzz | will BLK_DEV_IT821X help you ? |
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| 12:57.11 | ubuntu_ | hello |
| 12:57.17 | ubuntu_ | all room |
| 12:57.22 | ubuntu_ | how are u allzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 12:57.27 | Kevin` | no I need the rest of the config, so it's compatible |
| 12:57.32 | Kevin` | otherwise it might not work |
| 12:57.34 | Botra | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/TaeNTS32.html |
| 12:57.38 | Botra | this is my lilo.conf |
| 12:57.40 | Kevin` | I could do it anyway if you want |
| 12:57.41 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 12:57.41 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 12:57.43 | vickybot | abrotman: Error: "ubuntu" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:57.50 | abrotman | vickybot: go away |
| 12:57.52 | vickybot | abrotman: Error: "go" is not a valid command. |
| 12:57.59 | wizzz | Kevin` ok you mean the .config file ? |
| 12:58.10 | Kevin` | ya |
| 12:58.10 | ubuntu_ | any 1 user linux? |
| 12:58.10 | ubuntu_ | some pro ... |
| 12:58.15 | abrotman | !ops vickybot is answering to ! along with dpkg |
| 12:58.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: vickybot is answering to ! along with dpkg |
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| 12:58.17 | vickybot | abrotman: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the addhostmask command). |
| 12:58.18 | ubuntu_ | can u help me |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | ubuntu_: #ubuntu |
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| 12:58.53 | ubuntu_ | kiven where the msn messenger in linux |
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| 12:59.01 | kjsdahf | wow, full of assholes tonight. |
| 12:59.05 | abrotman | ubuntu_: /join #ubuntu |
| 12:59.15 | Gnea | kjsdahf: everyone's got one, you know |
| 12:59.19 | wizzz | Kevin` which version of kernel do you have ? |
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| 12:59.38 | Kevin` | 2.6.14 |
| 12:59.43 | kjsdahf | Gnea: indeed, #debian has 2 for one it seems.. |
| 13:00.15 | Gnea | kjsdahf: it's okay |
| 13:00.18 | ubuntu_ | kevin can u tell me ? |
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| 13:00.30 | abrotman | ubuntu_: please go to #ubuntu .. |
| 13:00.43 | testmachine | j asterisk |
| 13:00.43 | Kevin` | ubuntu_ with what |
| 13:00.50 | Gnea | Kevin`: pay no attention to ubuntu_ |
| 13:00.56 | testmachine | kjsdahf: thank you:P |
| 13:00.58 | abrotman | ubuntu_: you're using Ubuntu .. Ubuntu has its own support channel in #ubuntu .. please go there |
| 13:01.05 | testmachine | man |
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| 13:01.10 | testmachine | ubuntu is debian based |
| 13:01.13 | Gnea | !tell ubuntu_ about ubuntu |
| 13:01.16 | abrotman | it is NOT debian |
| 13:01.20 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 13:01.21 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 13:01.21 | kjsdahf | oh dear.. |
| 13:01.23 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "ubuntu" is not a valid command. |
| 13:01.25 | testmachine | debian Based |
| 13:01.28 | testmachine | thats what i said |
| 13:01.29 | testmachine | :) |
| 13:01.29 | abrotman | so what? |
| 13:01.36 | kjsdahf | but why lolz!!?! |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | they have thier own support channel .. it is offtopic here |
| 13:01.38 | testmachine | so |
| 13:01.39 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 13:01.39 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 13:01.41 | vickybot | abrotman: Error: "based" is not a valid command. |
| 13:01.45 | testmachine | the basics are the same |
| 13:01.48 | Gnea | vickybot: who owns you? |
| 13:01.50 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "who" is not a valid command. |
| 13:01.55 | abrotman | Gnea: how long has that fucking stupid bot been here ? |
| 13:02.04 | testmachine | heheh |
| 13:02.05 | Guerin | ah yea |
| 13:02.06 | testmachine | but ok |
| 13:02.12 | Gnea | !ops vickybot is an obvious obnoxious bot |
| 13:02.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: vickybot is an obvious obnoxious bot |
| 13:02.13 | Guerin | another .iltard |
| 13:02.13 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the addhostmask command). |
| 13:02.14 | vickybot | dpkg: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the addhostmask command). |
| 13:02.15 | dpkg | that's too long, vickybot |
| 13:02.16 | vickybot | dpkg: Error: "that's" is not a valid command. |
| 13:02.16 | dpkg | okay, vickybot |
| 13:02.18 | vickybot | dpkg: Error: "okay" is not a valid command. |
| 13:02.18 | dpkg | i already had it that way, vickybot |
| 13:02.18 | testmachine | ubuntu users should go to #ubuntu for support |
| 13:02.19 | vickybot | dpkg: Error: "i" is not a valid command. |
| 13:02.19 | dpkg | okay, vickybot |
| 13:02.21 | vickybot | dpkg: Error: "okay" is not a valid command. |
| 13:02.25 | testmachine | i did install suse yesterday |
| 13:02.29 | testmachine | what a fucked up distro |
| 13:02.30 | testmachine | is this |
| 13:02.33 | testmachine | dammn |
| 13:02.38 | kjsdahf | wow |
| 13:02.39 | testmachine | going to change back to debian soon i think |
| 13:02.46 | Guerin | dpkg, forget Error: "that's" |
| 13:02.46 | dpkg | Guerin: i forgot error: "that's" |
| 13:02.56 | Guerin | dpkg, forget Error: "okay" |
| 13:02.57 | dpkg | i forgot error: "okay", Guerin |
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| 13:03.02 | abrotman | dpkg: forget Error: "i" |
| 13:03.03 | dpkg | i forgot error: "i", abrotman |
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| 13:03.13 | Guerin | dpkg, forget Error: "i" |
| 13:03.13 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'error: "i"' to forget, Guerin |
| 13:03.16 | EdibleText | holy crap for crap |
| 13:03.18 | Guerin | good-o |
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| 13:03.43 | saloxin | vi |
| 13:03.50 | abrotman | Guerin: already done \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 13:03.53 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:03.58 | abrotman | Gnea: already done .. and ignored :) |
| 13:04.15 | Gnea | !ops vickybot n=supybot@IGLD-84-228-82-65.inter.net.il is generating a DoS against dpkg |
| 13:04.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: vickybot n=supybot@IGLD-84-228-82-65.inter.net.il is generating a DoS against dpkg |
| 13:04.17 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the addhostmask command). |
| 13:04.24 | abrotman | this is fucking retarded |
| 13:04.42 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:04.52 | kjsdahf | i thinks ops may have been called enough though.. |
| 13:05.02 | Gnea | kjsdahf: that is not your call. |
| 13:05.53 | abrotman | maybe call them again |
| 13:05.55 | kjsdahf | Gnea: um, isnt once enough? doesnt that highlight them? |
| 13:05.57 | Kevin` | wizzz use at your own risk, as this is for my kernel, http://kwzs.dyndns.org/~kevin/it821x.ko |
| 13:06.05 | Guerin | Gnea: you're stupid. Stop. |
| 13:06.15 | Gnea | kjsdahf: again, don't question it. just stick to channel topic, please. |
| 13:06.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:06.19 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:06.21 | vickybot | tarzeau: Error: "popcon" is not a valid command. |
| 13:06.23 | abrotman | kjsdahf: you've obviously been here for a while .. why don't you have ops ? |
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| 13:06.28 | kjsdahf | Gnea: excuse me? |
| 13:06.41 | takatumi | tarzeau: moo |
| 13:06.48 | tarzeau | takatumi: milk |
| 13:06.49 | Gnea | kjsdahf: what did you do, fart? stick to channel topic please. |
| 13:06.58 | Kevin` | vickybot what do you do anyway |
| 13:07.00 | vickybot | Kevin`: Error: "you" is not a valid command. |
| 13:07.08 | wizzz | Kevin` at least it won't make my pc explode |
| 13:07.09 | Gnea | Guerin: that's nice. |
| 13:07.12 | tarzeau | i'm looking for a unblur graphic filter |
| 13:07.28 | Kevin` | wizzz ya, that's rather hard to do with most hardware |
| 13:07.33 | Kevin` | vickybot commands |
| 13:07.35 | vickybot | Kevin`: add, alert, announce, any, aol, apply, apropos, at, ban add, ban list, ban remove, base, binary, bold, cache, calc, capabilities, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, capitalize, change, changename, channel, channels, channelstats, clear, cmd, color, colorize, command, commands, concat, config, connect, convert, cpu, (4 more messages) |
| 13:07.42 | wizzz | but how can load the module, with a floppy ? |
| 13:07.52 | Kevin` | I suppose |
| 13:08.01 | kjsdahf | Gnea: where the fuck in the /topic does it say to call ops 3 times for a bot? or am i missing something? |
| 13:08.02 | tarzeau | vickybot cpu |
| 13:08.03 | vickybot | tarzeau: I have taken 13.38 seconds of user time and 0.49 seconds of system time, for a total of 13.87 seconds of CPU time. My children have taken 0.16 seconds of user time and 0.02 seconds of system time for a total of 0.18 seconds of CPU time. I'm taking up 14572 kB of memory. |
| 13:08.17 | Kevin` | big bot |
| 13:08.17 | Gnea | kjsdahf: chill out. |
| 13:08.19 | vickybot | Kevin`: Error: "big" is not a valid command. |
| 13:08.22 | Guerin | vickybot: part |
| 13:08.23 | vickybot | Guerin: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 13:08.24 | Kevin` | O_o |
| 13:08.37 | abrotman | !whoami |
| 13:08.38 | dpkg | you're abrotman you donkey! |
| 13:08.38 | vickybot | abrotman: I don't recognize you. |
| 13:08.46 | abrotman | i'm a donkey! |
| 13:08.47 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:08.50 | Gnea | lol |
| 13:08.51 | EdibleText | vickybot, aol |
| 13:08.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh |
| 13:08.53 | vickybot | EdibleText: (aol <text>) -- Returns <text> as if an AOLuser had said it. |
| 13:09.10 | wizzz | i'll try, maybe it will work thanks Kevin` |
| 13:09.21 | Kevin` | bot aol You don't have the admin capability. |
| 13:09.22 | vickybot | Kevin`: You dont have the admin capability.:D:D:D |
| 13:09.28 | Kevin` | pfft |
| 13:09.32 | Guerin | Kevin`: don't |
| 13:09.36 | takatumi | vickybot: who owns you? |
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| 13:09.38 | vickybot | takatumi: Error: "who" is not a valid command. |
| 13:09.47 | Gnea | vickybot: version? |
| 13:09.48 | Guerin | takatumi: owner |
| 13:09.50 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "version?" is not a valid command. |
| 13:09.53 | jelly | takatumi: vicky? ;-) |
| 13:09.59 | Gnea | vickybot: ls |
| 13:10.01 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "ls" is not a valid command. |
| 13:10.03 | Gnea | vickybot: dir |
| 13:10.05 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "dir" is not a valid command. |
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| 13:10.19 | abrotman | vickybot: die |
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| 13:10.21 | Kevin` | bot next |
| 13:10.22 | vickybot | abrotman: Error: "die" is not a valid command. |
| 13:10.24 | vickybot | Kevin`: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the addhostmask command). |
| 13:10.26 | wizzz | vicky install it821X module |
| 13:10.28 | vickybot | wizzz: Error: "install" is not a valid command. |
| 13:10.40 | Gnea | vickybot: show us your goods |
| 13:10.42 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "show" is not a valid command. |
| 13:10.50 | kjsdahf | Gnea: but out of interest i would like to know, wtf in the /topic you were reffering me to.. |
| 13:10.51 | Guerin | stop playiung with the fucking bot |
| 13:10.53 | vickybot | Guerin: Error: "stop" is not a valid command. |
| 13:10.54 | Guerin | jesus |
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| 13:11.01 | Guerin | Gnea: you're such a fucking tard |
| 13:11.03 | abrotman | kjsdahf: just shut up and drop it |
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| 13:11.17 | Gnea | Guerin: and you're such a little child. |
| 13:11.17 | kjsdahf | abrotman: no. explain it to me. |
| 13:11.23 | dylan_ | i have the lm-sensors applet enabled. it says my computer is at about 120 farenheit...what is a dangerous temperature? |
| 13:11.28 | abrotman | kjsdahf: stop being abusive |
| 13:11.42 | Kevin` | that's rather hot for the whole computer |
| 13:11.51 | abrotman | dylan_: which sensor ? |
| 13:11.51 | Gnea | kjsdahf: no no, not /topic, channel topic - i did not say /topic explicitly |
| 13:11.52 | Guerin | if everyone would just shut the fuck up and stop being twats, this wouldn't be an issue |
| 13:11.55 | dylan_ | abrotman, THRM |
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| 13:12.08 | Kevin` | i'm suprised it gives temp in F |
| 13:12.15 | dylan_ | Kevin`, its under Preferences |
| 13:12.16 | abrotman | that's what real people use! |
| 13:12.31 | Guerin | abrotman: used 100 years ago |
| 13:12.40 | Gnea | Guerin: you need to step away from the computer. |
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| 13:12.45 | abrotman | Guerin: you know you want to switch to kelvin :) |
| 13:12.51 | Kevin` | I like C, I know when it gets to 100 I can cook on it |
| 13:12.55 | Guerin | Gnea: you're the one botsturbating |
| 13:12.56 | Gnea | okay, i give up now |
| 13:13.07 | Guerin | Gnea: and bitching at other people for complaining about it |
| 13:13.10 | abrotman | Kevin`: your pan has a thermometer built in ? |
| 13:13.16 | Kevin` | my cpu |
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| 13:13.33 | abrotman | why is 212 so hard to remmeber ? |
| 13:13.35 | Gnea | Guerin: and you're bitching at me so what's your point? |
| 13:13.44 | abrotman | oh . vickybot left! |
| 13:13.47 | Kevin` | because it's based on nothing |
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| 13:13.57 | Gnea | Guerin: fuck you and fuck that bot |
| 13:14.00 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:14.00 | abrotman | Kevin`: and 100 is ? |
| 13:14.09 | takatumi | Gnea: chill |
| 13:14.09 | Kevin` | boiling point of water |
| 13:14.09 | abrotman | why not use 10 |
| 13:14.12 | abrotman | or 1200 |
| 13:14.14 | abrotman | or 234235256 |
| 13:14.19 | Guerin | Gnea: now if you just follow the bot, it'll all be peace and tranquility in here |
| 13:14.24 | Kevin` | because 100 gives a nice scale |
| 13:14.25 | abrotman | 100 is a just a number because you're too lazy to stick your finger in the water! :) |
| 13:14.32 | abrotman | Kevin`: so does 1000 |
| 13:14.35 | abrotman | or 10 |
| 13:14.39 | Gnea | Guerin: if you did the same, it'd be even better. |
| 13:14.42 | Kevin` | oh gee |
| 13:14.42 | idis | abrotman: hint, you should have 10 fingers |
| 13:14.47 | kjsdahf | abrotman: how is abusing !ops and saying so abusive on my part? |
| 13:14.49 | abrotman | idis: for what ? |
| 13:14.50 | Gnea | Guerin: you are now on /ignore |
| 13:14.55 | Guerin | yay! |
| 13:15.06 | idis | abrotman: counting on them |
| 13:15.08 | abrotman | kjsdahf: it's badgering gnea for an explaination .. really .. just drop it |
| 13:15.10 | Guerin | being ignored by fucktards is *great* by me |
| 13:15.23 | colk | 120 degrees F is an ok tempture for a cpu |
| 13:15.41 | Gnea | i have no problems ignoring unintelligent pieces of shit. |
| 13:15.44 | takatumi | 73C switches off here. |
| 13:15.46 | jelly | crazy Fahrenheitees. |
| 13:15.55 | Dewi | Fahrenheit scale should be banned on freenode |
| 13:16.04 | idis | abrotman: didn't say which base though... |
| 13:16.04 | Kevin` | I had my brothers up to 91c earlier |
| 13:16.07 | colk | its a bit high though |
| 13:16.15 | abrotman | idis: right |
| 13:16.18 | takatumi | Kevin`: toast. |
| 13:16.21 | colk | Kevin`, you can damage a processor quite easily |
| 13:16.24 | colk | doing that |
| 13:16.27 | dylan_ | colk, should i add a PCI exhaust fan? i took it out cuz it was loud, suhold i pop it back in? |
| 13:16.27 | Guerin | Kevin`: before I put new grease and a new hsf on, mine would hang at 86°C |
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| 13:16.43 | colk | dylan_, is that a constant tempture? |
| 13:16.45 | Kevin` | well the cooling should work properly.. and the cutoff is 96 |
| 13:17.08 | takatumi | that looks awkwardly high. |
| 13:17.11 | colk | yes it does |
| 13:17.18 | dylan_ | colk, yes its now at 127.4 F |
| 13:17.22 | Dewi | !fdeb |
| 13:17.22 | Dewi | <Dewi> Perhaps you might like to join #debian-imperial-units, imperialist scum! |
| 13:17.25 | Dewi | :P |
| 13:17.34 | Kevin` | :o |
| 13:17.36 | Dewi | * actual channel might not exist |
| 13:17.40 | colk | most of the processors ive seen the max tempture is about 65 or so |
| 13:17.52 | colk | then you start damaging stuff |
| 13:18.12 | jelly | This laptop is too hot to use even at 60C for CPU. It really blows. |
| 13:18.25 | Kevin` | hmm this one cuts off at 73 |
| 13:18.27 | colk | mine runs at that sometimes |
| 13:18.42 | abrotman | Gnea: get on topic! |
| 13:18.52 | colk | i added more fans and got it down to 44 degrees C |
| 13:18.55 | colk | or 112 or so |
| 13:18.57 | Gnea | abrotman: my ls segfaulted! |
| 13:19.02 | kjsdahf | here we go again with the /topic.. |
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| 13:19.14 | Kevin` | 43 now |
| 13:19.17 | abrotman | Gnea: libc different? ... or hacked ? ... or dying disk ? |
| 13:19.19 | Gnea | kjsdahf: that's right. |
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| 13:19.34 | abrotman | kjsdahf: shut up ... it was a damn joke |
| 13:19.37 | colk | :) |
| 13:19.47 | abrotman | god .. |
| 13:19.50 | Gnea | abrotman: i think one of the hard drives refuses to spin anymore |
| 13:19.59 | colk | i dont have any intake fans |
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| 13:20.11 | abrotman | Gnea: that's usually .. bad |
| 13:20.18 | Kevin` | colk is yours overclocked or somethign? although that isn't high |
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| 13:20.29 | cahoot | abrotman: humor in #debian - that's a joke |
| 13:20.41 | takatumi | w00t cah00t! |
| 13:20.41 | colk | no its an athlon xp |
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| 13:21.09 | Gnea | abrotman: the head is probably bad, will have to throw it out and get a new one |
| 13:21.10 | qwertz | Hi, does anybody have a howto on how to install otrs on a debian sarge? |
| 13:21.21 | abrotman | Gnea: good plan :) |
| 13:21.25 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:21.27 | colk | i think it might be the cases airflow |
| 13:21.30 | abrotman | qwertz: install what ? |
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| 13:21.59 | Kevin` | "Open Ticket Request System" ? |
| 13:22.09 | Dewi | abrotman: hmm. 286 nicks here. |
| 13:22.17 | Dewi | abrotman: do you think 1/286 of a sense of humour will be enough? |
| 13:22.26 | qwertz | Kevin`, yes thanks for the explanation |
| 13:22.28 | kjsdahf | geez you guys pick on guys that you dont know easily.. |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | Dewi: i'll be happier if you tell me where the other 500 went |
| 13:22.38 | takatumi | kjsdahf: stop trolling. |
| 13:22.48 | Dewi | abrotman: they... er... migrated to indonesia. |
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| 13:22.52 | milestone | hi all |
| 13:22.57 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:23.07 | Gnea | kjsdahf: if you're easily offended, then leave and don't come back. or come back when you're in a better mood. |
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| 13:23.39 | Dewi | (I've been drinking) |
| 13:23.52 | takatumi | does that involve lateral penetration? |
| 13:23.54 | Gnea | !beer kjsdahf |
| 13:23.54 | milestone | i have to come up with the documentation of a network, and am wrestling with dia so far. Is there a better solution? I am looking mor for a solution where you put in network information and a compiler generates a graphic |
| 13:24.23 | Dewi | takatumi: that's the kind of mystery that makes IRC so wonderful |
| 13:24.35 | takatumi | milestone: kivio and dia are the only ones I've seen usable. |
| 13:24.50 | Gnea | kivio? |
| 13:24.56 | abrotman | kde krap |
| 13:25.01 | milestone | takatumi, but with them you have to draw yourself |
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| 13:25.21 | Gnea | abrotman: i dunno man, i think it might be worth keeping around after all |
| 13:25.23 | idis | abrotman: Gnome good? |
| 13:25.23 | abrotman | milestone: so you want to type info in .. and have it generate a network diagram ? |
| 13:25.27 | Dewi | |
| 13:25.28 | milestone | i am looking for a different approach |
| 13:25.28 | takatumi | milestone: AI draws on your behalf? |
| 13:25.33 | abrotman | idis: i prefer it over kde |
| 13:25.34 | milestone | abrotman, yes |
| 13:25.41 | milestone | AI? |
| 13:25.43 | abrotman | milestone: if you find something .. let me know :) |
| 13:25.49 | milestone | abrotman, :) |
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| 13:25.52 | Gnea | heh |
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| 13:26.04 | abrotman | milestone: freshmeat might know of something |
| 13:26.16 | Dewi | did I just say nothing at all, twice? |
| 13:26.17 | milestone | abrotman, been looking the whole mornin on sf |
| 13:26.21 | Dewi | sorry. |
| 13:26.21 | milestone | no luck yet |
| 13:26.28 | abrotman | Dewi: UTF garbage |
| 13:26.32 | Gnea | Dewi: gremlins. |
| 13:26.41 | Dewi | you know, http://backports.org and http://www.backports.org look remarkably different |
| 13:26.42 | abrotman | milestone: yeah .. check freshmeat too .. not everyhing is hosted at sf |
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| 13:26.54 | Dewi | abrotman / Gnea : alcohol in bloodstream |
| 13:26.58 | milestone | abrotman, ok guys i keep digging |
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| 13:27.11 | Gnea | Dewi: yeah, i wish i had some |
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| 13:27.33 | abrotman | Gnea: it's like 5am there :) |
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| 13:27.43 | Dewi | Gnea: it's certainly not helping productivity, but I'm not caring about getting anything done now so it's all cool |
| 13:28.14 | Gnea | Dewi: nothing wrong with that once in awhile :) |
| 13:28.59 | Dewi | Gnea: well, I *am* an australian. |
| 13:29.09 | kjsdahf | oh no's |
| 13:29.12 | Dewi | Gnea: It's like my duty to be drunk all the time, right? |
| 13:29.18 | Gnea | Dewi: hahaha |
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| 13:31.08 | Dewi | oh |
| 13:31.09 | Dewi | wait |
| 13:31.17 | abrotman | !beer Dewi |
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| 13:31.21 | Dewi | abrotman: maybe the other N people disappeared |
| 13:31.28 | Dewi | abrotman: because irc.freenode.net no longer works/ |
| 13:31.48 | abrotman | Dewi: maybe the australian flu infected the world .. and they all got drunk and fell over |
| 13:32.00 | Dewi | abrotman: I quite irc before and had to change to chat.freenode.net |
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| 13:32.04 | kjsdahf | Gnea: your +E? |
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| 13:32.05 | Dewi | er, quit |
| 13:32.15 | Gnea | what happened anyway? i woke up and see messages from lilo about applying some new server patches |
| 13:32.24 | Gnea | kjsdahf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_of_salt |
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| 13:32.39 | kjsdahf | ... whatever.. |
| 13:32.41 | Gnea | too many bots? |
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| 13:33.39 | takatumi | SSDS |
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| 13:34.56 | Dewi | Gnea: you shouldn't pass around wikipedia as if it's some kind of reliable source. For example, I happen to know that Pliny the Elder never existed - he was planted in historical records by the Flying Spaghetti Monster in order to fool us |
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| 13:35.24 | Gnea | Dewi: actually, wikipedia *is* a reliable source. |
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| 13:36.22 | babilen | Hi all...... |
| 13:36.49 | babilen | remove a half installed package |
| 13:37.05 | babilen | argh, keyboard is not really working... |
| 13:37.11 | Gnea | babilen: ? |
| 13:37.15 | abrotman | remove the half working user :) |
| 13:37.17 | babilen | how do i remove a half installed package? |
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| 13:37.29 | Gnea | apt-get remove <package> |
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| 13:38.15 | babilen | apt-get remove is not working, because the package is not yet configured and thus "half-installed" |
| 13:38.16 | Dewi | but only type it 0.5 times |
| 13:38.36 | abrotman | !beer dewi |
| 13:38.39 | Dewi | babilen: attempted to reconfigure it? |
| 13:38.43 | KLD | babilen: how was it half installed? |
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| 13:39.04 | babilen | longer stoy, i will file a bug report about that later... |
| 13:39.14 | carrot | hello? |
| 13:39.17 | Gnea | babilen: what package is it? sarge? |
| 13:39.26 | babilen | i have a fresh install, and wanted to compile my own kernel... |
| 13:39.30 | abrotman | Gnea: come on .. sarge isn't a package :) |
| 13:39.43 | Gnea | abrotman: 2 question marks, 2 questions ;) |
| 13:39.46 | babilen | i am working on debian unstable... |
| 13:39.56 | babilen | i know, it's unstable.... |
| 13:39.58 | babilen | ;-) |
| 13:39.58 | Gnea | babilen: again, what is the packagename? |
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| 13:40.38 | babilen | linux-source-2.6.14.. |
| 13:40.51 | Gnea | it's fine here |
| 13:40.55 | abrotman | and what's the failure message ? |
| 13:41.02 | jberg | how do i "use" postgresql in debian? i have sarge and i know the postgresql package is installed.. but i want to connect to it and create some tables and stuff so i can try and write a web interface for it.. |
| 13:41.17 | babilen | installed it, compiled the kernel with make-kpkg and installed it with dpkg -i |
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| 13:41.43 | Dewi | jberg: psql |
| 13:41.45 | abrotman | jberg: su to root .. su to postgres .. $ createuser <yourusername> .. exit all the su's ... createdb <yourdbname> |
| 13:41.46 | babilen | problem is, that the postinstall is not working (it can not determine my bootloader) |
| 13:41.53 | brox | i just murdered my MBR by installing windows on the first 40GB of my hd - on the rest (also 40GB) theres debian - how can i fire up grub again? |
| 13:42.07 | Gnea | jberg: phppgadmin |
| 13:42.11 | abrotman | ewww |
| 13:42.16 | paulswm | jberg: there is documentation in The Debian Online Help, databases section |
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| 13:42.23 | wizzz | brox err a boot disk or cd maybe |
| 13:42.33 | abrotman | !grub boot floppy |
| 13:42.36 | brox | wizzz: im just running knoppix |
| 13:42.43 | abrotman | bah .. it's somewhere in there |
| 13:42.56 | Gnea | brox: reboot with the debian cd and rescue it - just give root=/dev/hdYX at the boot: line |
| 13:42.58 | babilen | so, the postinstall hangs and i had to stop it.. |
| 13:42.59 | brox | i dont want any floppys |
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| 13:43.06 | Gnea | brox: then just rerun grub install |
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| 13:43.26 | Dewi | abrotman: thxxx for all the beer... see you later |
| 13:43.30 | babilen | now i have a "half-installed" package which i can#t remove... but the configuration step starts every time i try to use apt-get / aptitude or something else.. |
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| 13:44.09 | babilen | so, how do i remove it, so i can finally compile my kernel by hand and have not to deal with broken kernel install scripts.. |
| 13:44.09 | Gnea | babilen: what about dpkg -r /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-source....? |
| 13:44.10 | brox | if there a way to check what my partitions where? |
| 13:44.23 | kjsdahf | babilen: that sucks.. try thr status.old file.. |
| 13:44.23 | Gnea | cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:44.59 | babilen | kjsdahf: yes it does... |
| 13:45.17 | babilen | but it#s a totally new install... so not really much work done.. |
| 13:45.19 | brox | Gnea: emm it seems knoppix doesnt know about the partitions on the disc... |
| 13:45.28 | abrotman | babilen: what's the error message ? |
| 13:45.44 | abrotman | and did you check the BTS ? |
| 13:45.44 | Gnea | brox: did i say knoppix? no, i said the debian cd |
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| 13:46.14 | eliteforce | hi |
| 13:46.20 | wizzz | exit |
| 13:46.24 | wizzz | hmmm |
| 13:46.24 | brox | Gnea: so you mean - start the debian cd - check the partitions - then start it again with root=whatever? |
| 13:46.28 | eliteforce | what package do i need for "ifconfig"? |
| 13:46.31 | babilen | Gnea: the problem is not linux-source, but the linux-image i compiled from it... |
| 13:46.33 | Gnea | brox: yeah |
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| 13:46.38 | brox | kk |
| 13:46.40 | brox | thx |
| 13:46.47 | jberg | dewi, like aptitude install psql? couldn't find much about postgresql in the database section on debian online help |
| 13:46.58 | abrotman | jberg: i told you exactly how to do it |
| 13:47.04 | babilen | Gnea: i treid to install that with dpkg -i, postinstall hangs, i had to abort it and do not know how to get rid of the half installes package.. |
| 13:47.25 | Gnea | babilen: did you build with or without initrd support? |
| 13:47.46 | abrotman | jberg: psql is the CLI interface program for pgsql |
| 13:47.57 | babilen | Gnea: with initrd support..... |
| 13:48.13 | eliteforce | in which package is the "ifconfig" command? |
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| 13:48.17 | Gnea | babilen: what do you need initrd for? |
| 13:48.24 | adii | what to ask dpkg for those tiny fonts in apps such as xmms |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | tiny fonts ? |
| 13:48.48 | babilen | Gnea: and linux-kernel-headers do not compile, due to a version mismatch (2.6.14 vs 2.6.14. ) (note the trailing dot) |
| 13:48.49 | abrotman | !tell eliteforce about search |
| 13:48.54 | jberg | abrotman, oh i missed that. thanks :) |
| 13:49.07 | Gnea | babilen: linux-kernel-headers is not a compilable package! |
| 13:49.18 | Gnea | eliteforce: net-tools |
| 13:49.20 | adii | abrotman, yes i mean : fonts are so small that i can't read words |
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| 13:49.38 | kjsdahf | ifconfig is essential?? |
| 13:49.41 | abrotman | adii: in xmms itself ? .. the palyer window ? |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | jberg: let me know if it doesn't work |
| 13:49.57 | adii | not the player window but in the right-mouse-list |
| 13:50.10 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 13:50.10 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 13:50.19 | adii | yes i was looking for the "gtk" word :p |
| 13:50.29 | babilen | Gnea: is you do a make-kpkg binary-arch you get the kernel-header .deb as well, but the package is not build... |
| 13:50.57 | Gnea | babilen: no, i've done that before and never once got a kernel-header .deb out of it |
| 13:51.08 | jberg | abrotman, seems to work perfect :) just need to read on create_db |
| 13:51.09 | adii | abrotman, how can i switch them as a first try ? |
| 13:51.11 | babilen | Gnea: but all that is not the problem.... is there ANY way to remove the half-installed package, or do i have to do a complete new install?? |
| 13:51.16 | adii | what was the command :/ |
| 13:51.25 | Gnea | babilen: again, why do you need initrd? |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | jberg: uhm .. if you as the postgres user .. allow your user to createdb .. it's not an issue |
| 13:51.39 | Gnea | if you want help, answer the question. |
| 13:51.44 | DUNFreak | Hello. I would need some help with fixing partition table errors, using knoppix and whatever tool is needed... I'm unable to convert or resize an NTFS partition, and Partition Magic just gives me errors it can't fix... Anyone here want to try? |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | adii: gtkfontsel .. maybe ? |
| 13:52.03 | eliteforce | thanks |
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| 13:52.09 | adii | yes must be that :p |
| 13:52.10 | adii | thanks |
| 13:52.11 | jberg | abrotman, no i mean like how i use createdb to actually create what i want :) |
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| 13:52.19 | takatumi | abrotman: tried sodaplay.com? |
| 13:52.25 | abrotman | takatumi: yes :) |
| 13:52.40 | abrotman | takatumi: but never for a sufficient amount of time to really make it work :( |
| 13:52.48 | abrotman | jberg: so everything is working ? |
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| 13:53.22 | jberg | abrotman, well the su to root, su to postgres, create_user worked so i think so |
| 13:53.35 | abrotman | jberg: oh ok |
| 13:53.38 | babilen | Gnea: i am working on a powerpc architecture... i think that there is no binary-arch make target on x86.. |
| 13:54.21 | babilen | Gnea: make-kpkg binary-arch is basically using kernel-image and kernel-headers targets.. |
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| 13:55.24 | babilen | is there any way to remove a half-installed package? or do i have to do complete reinstall and pray, that i NEVER EVER have a half-installed package later..?? |
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| 13:55.38 | jberg | if i do createdb test i should have a database named test right? how can i specify what coloumns and rows i want? |
| 13:55.45 | colk | you can purge it i belive |
| 13:56.19 | abrotman | jberg: postgresql.org .. has plenty of docs ... |
| 13:56.33 | abrotman | jberg: you need to create a table .. with the columns you want |
| 13:56.42 | jberg | hmm ok. thanks |
| 13:56.55 | babilen | where does dpkg note, that is has unconfigured packages?? can i savely edit that file?? |
| 13:57.03 | babilen | there has to be something i can do? |
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| 13:57.12 | babilen | s/?/! |
| 13:57.12 | Gnea | babilen: have you asked in #debian-ppc? |
| 13:57.22 | abrotman | jberg: also .. ask #postgresql .. they know lots of stuff! :) |
| 13:57.24 | babilen | Gnea: no, not yet.... |
| 13:57.25 | Gnea | and chill the fuck out |
| 13:57.27 | Gnea | please |
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| 13:57.45 | black_Nightmare | hey ;) |
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| 13:58.07 | brox | Gnea: that didn't work |
| 13:58.12 | Gnea | babilen: i suggest you do - i don't have a ppc and we're mostly x86 users in here, so there could be a different provision |
| 13:58.35 | Gnea | brox: are you sure windows didn't wipe the whole disk out? |
| 13:58.41 | brox | yes |
| 13:58.58 | brox | i just checked the partitions (that did work) root is /dev/sda2 |
| 13:58.59 | Gnea | ok, if you boot with knoppix, it doesn't see the hard drive at all? |
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| 13:59.06 | brox | no |
| 13:59.12 | Gnea | brox: is that scsi or sata? |
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| 13:59.18 | brox | but its only a 2.4 kernel |
| 13:59.19 | brox | sata |
| 13:59.22 | Gnea | that's why |
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| 13:59.26 | Gnea | you need to boot with a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:59.31 | brox | why? |
| 13:59.32 | black_Nightmare | just wondering but any of you use any realtek ethernet cards? |
| 13:59.35 | Gnea | 2.4 doesn't have sata support |
| 13:59.38 | babilen | ok, cya.... and may the half-installed package never be with you.. ;-) |
| 13:59.41 | Gnea | and if it does, it's crap |
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| 13:59.54 | Gnea | brox: 2.6 has proper sata support - knoppix26 should do it |
| 14:01.20 | colk | not even a thanks |
| 14:01.21 | colk | :P |
| 14:01.38 | takatumi | colk: he'll be back. |
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| 14:02.41 | takatumi | colk: what does it have now? |
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| 14:02.56 | colk | well it sort of has etch on it |
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| 14:03.09 | colk | but I wanted to combine my discs |
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| 14:03.18 | colk | I have a 20 a 30 and a 8 in there |
| 14:03.50 | takatumi | colk: LVM/RAID? |
| 14:03.55 | colk | no |
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| 14:04.23 | colk | i added the drives as they were recycled from other systems |
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| 14:05.14 | takatumi | yes, how are you planning to combine them? |
| 14:05.24 | colk | put an 80 in there |
| 14:05.25 | brox | Gnea: ok now im running a 2.6.11-kanotix64-11 kernel and i can see my hds |
| 14:05.32 | takatumi | colk: ah. |
| 14:05.32 | colk | and get rid of the older drives |
| 14:05.33 | colk | :P |
| 14:06.28 | brox | Gnea:? |
| 14:06.42 | takatumi | brox: you could try debootstrap or debtakeover from there. |
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| 14:06.48 | colk | hmm |
| 14:06.59 | colk | i need to move my windows swap to a diffrent drive I think |
| 14:07.12 | brox | takatumi: but would debootstrap not install a base system? |
| 14:07.23 | takatumi | brox: yes it would. |
| 14:07.33 | brox | takatumi: i only want to put the grub i already have on the MBR |
| 14:07.47 | takatumi | brox: ah, mount, chroot, grub-install |
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| 14:08.00 | sdakota | hi |
| 14:08.09 | sdakota | can someone help me with my NameVirtualHost problem in Apache? It's still there :'( |
| 14:08.33 | brox | do i have to mount proc? |
| 14:08.45 | brox | what do i have to mount anyway? |
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| 14:08.50 | brox | certainly root |
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| 14:09.31 | azeem | I don't think you need proc for that |
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| 14:10.39 | takatumi | !fixmbr |
| 14:10.40 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
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| 14:12.35 | takatumi | clitskate? |
| 14:12.55 | brox | so /dev/whatever is root right? and /dev/hda? |
| 14:13.01 | brox | is that /home? |
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| 14:13.35 | takatumi | brox: whatever is /dev/hdX and /dev/hda is /dev/hdX |
| 14:13.53 | Coweater | whatever would be hdXY |
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| 14:14.11 | brox | takatumi and /dev/hd is root? |
| 14:14.12 | takatumi | true |
| 14:14.21 | takatumi | brox: no. |
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| 14:14.57 | brox | ok there are only two to choose from - either its root or home |
| 14:15.06 | brox | home? |
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| 14:15.10 | Coweater | it'll be the root partition, ignore your home partition for now |
| 14:15.17 | brox | do i have to mount root anyway |
| 14:15.20 | brox | ok |
| 14:16.04 | Gnea | brox: was afk - can you read the /etc/fstab with knoppix? |
| 14:16.39 | takatumi | Gnea: it's kanotix now. |
| 14:16.51 | Gnea | cool |
| 14:16.54 | Gnea | even better :) |
| 14:17.14 | brox | Gnea: dunno - check this out: http://pastebin.com/467779 |
| 14:17.15 | jelly | sdakota: I know how NameVirtualHosts works in Apache1, will that suffice? |
| 14:17.22 | brox | looks ok to me |
| 14:17.58 | Gnea | ok now there might be a problem |
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| 14:18.14 | brox | Gnea: whats wrong? |
| 14:18.18 | takatumi | brox: that would be grub-install /dev/sda not sda2 usually. |
| 14:18.24 | Gnea | you just installed grub to the MBR of the partition, not the disk itself |
| 14:18.44 | Gnea | brox: what takatumi said |
| 14:19.10 | brox | but what about line 7 - doesnt that implicate he figured it out himself? |
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| 14:19.32 | brox | ok can i undo it? |
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| 14:19.52 | Gnea | brox: nope, that's just saying what the base drive is - it actually went to (hd0,1) |
| 14:20.08 | brox | ok so what do you recon? |
| 14:20.11 | Gnea | brox: just rerun it and replace /dev/sda2 with /dev/sda |
| 14:20.16 | brox | k |
| 14:20.31 | brox | booting now |
| 14:20.42 | takatumi | brox: check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:21.59 | brox | looks ok |
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| 14:22.21 | Gnea | try it |
| 14:22.34 | brox | http://pastebin.com/467787 |
| 14:22.54 | Haukkari | !gentoosmite paveq |
| 14:22.55 | Haukkari | ;) |
| 14:23.21 | paveq | uhm |
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| 14:23.31 | D-N-A | opps |
| 14:23.33 | paveq | of cource it runs faster |
| 14:23.34 | Gnea | brox: try it now then |
| 14:23.37 | paveq | <3 gentoo ;) |
| 14:23.40 | brox | OK |
| 14:23.45 | Gnea | troll? |
| 14:23.47 | Haukkari | nah |
| 14:23.48 | Haukkari | well |
| 14:23.49 | Haukkari | almost... |
| 14:23.53 | Gnea | heh |
| 14:24.09 | Haukkari | a friend of mine, whom I'm trying to teach that Debian stable in fact was a better choice for our school's big server than Gentoo... but no OS wars here. |
| 14:24.22 | Haukkari | So just ignore all that <3 Gentoo stuff from him. :) |
| 14:24.25 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:24.29 | paveq | arrg |
| 14:24.31 | Haukkari | :D |
| 14:24.35 | paveq | I like gentoo more |
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| 14:24.52 | Haukkari | paveq: no OS wars here, we'll both get banned. :P |
| 14:24.54 | paveq | debian is good too ;) |
| 14:25.01 | Gnea | ok |
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| 14:26.50 | coldrain | fsdf |
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| 14:27.34 | brox | Gnea: works fine :)) - thx for the assurance since it was life or death |
| 14:27.36 | Haukkari | What should I do when init.d/slapd kills the ownerships of my LDAP-databases with db_recover? :/ |
| 14:27.37 | bizkit | is there any download tool available which is able to display the current rate in kilobits per second? (not kilobytes) |
| 14:27.50 | mentor | vic1 |
| 14:28.32 | bizkit | mentor: did you mean me? never heard of vic1 |
| 14:29.13 | brox | and basically the last three hours were a waste of time - windows install kept going down with a bluescreen - i once got it installed by not installing everything but that was rubbish |
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| 14:29.41 | brox | seems my PC is not Windows compatible |
| 14:29.50 | brox | debian works like a charm |
| 14:30.06 | bizkit | i like your pc |
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| 14:37.25 | smard | yay, tor users are no longer banned in here? |
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| 14:39.28 | Dewi | anyone have any idea why KDE and gnome and the vncserver I run them in, all come crashing down at random intervals? |
| 14:39.36 | Dewi | all I get in the log is a bunch of messages about the X server being gone |
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| 14:39.57 | Dewi | gnome worked for weeks and suddenly started doing it, so I switch to KDE, it works for weeks, but now it's doing it too |
| 14:40.37 | Dewi | also, how can I get into the gnome or kde menus without a mouse? |
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| 14:40.47 | smard | Dewi because I hacked your computer |
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| 14:43.53 | electro | Dewi: i hacked smard's computer so you are my little grand-hackee |
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| 14:47.46 | Bogaurd | okay - i'm having some trouble with my sarge install... when i installed, i got apache 2 - but i apt-get removed it. however, its still there, and still starts up at boot time, etc etc. i've tried dpkg--purge, but it says that its not installed... how can i make it realise it is installed, and actually remove it properly? |
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| 14:49.47 | rox | i am running a 2.6.12-686 stock kernel, an ati radeon 9550 with ati proprietary drivers and xfce as the desktop. When i switch to the console with ctrl-alt-f1 and then back to x with alt-f7, my system freezes. Can anybody tell me where to look in order to solve the problem? |
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| 14:52.04 | Bogaurd | very quiet in here =\ |
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| 14:53.11 | florent | rox: don't use ati proprietary drivers |
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| 14:53.24 | florent | this will solve your problem |
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| 14:53.26 | rox | florent: thank you, that was real help |
| 14:53.44 | Bogaurd | hmm |
| 14:53.45 | rox | ok, let me rephrase the question |
| 14:54.12 | rox | i am running a 2.6.12-686 stock kernel, an ati radeon 9550 with ati proprietary drivers and xfce as the desktop. When i switch to the console with ctrl-alt-f1 and then back to x with alt-f7, my system freezes. Can anybody tell me how to solve the problem and still use the 3d acceleration features of my graphics hardware? |
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| 14:54.41 | goron | How do I get kdelibs4 installed? |
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| 14:55.14 | Bogaurd | hmm - my kpkg/apt-get thinks apache2 is not installed, but it actually is - it runs on startup and such... how can i convince it that it's installed so i can --purge i? |
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| 14:55.16 | Bogaurd | it* |
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| 14:56.11 | rox | Bogaurd: maybe the name of the package is different |
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| 14:56.18 | thingfish | goron: apt-get install kdelibs4 doesn't work? |
| 14:56.22 | florent | rox: this is a problem of ati drivers, so don't use them or don't switch to console |
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| 14:56.39 | rox | florent: how do you know it is the problem of ati drivers? |
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| 14:57.11 | Bogaurd | rox: yes, perhaps.... does anyone know the package name for apahce2? |
| 14:57.22 | florent | rox: I got exactly the same problem when I use them |
| 14:57.25 | rox | florent: another thing, it used to function perfectly until recently |
| 14:57.49 | rox | Bogaurd: dpkg --get-selections | grep apache? |
| 14:57.51 | goron | thingfish: no kdelibs4c2a: Conflicts: kdelibs4 but 4:3.3.2-6.3 is to be installed |
| 14:58.10 | Bogaurd | rox: yeah lemme try it... |
| 14:58.10 | florent | and I don't have the problem when I use vesa |
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| 14:58.43 | curt | sed primer... I want to replace two lines from some files with other lines. abrotman?... |
| 14:58.48 | Kvant | Bogaurd, if you want to remove apache2, remove apache2-common |
| 14:58.51 | rox | florent: does vesa let you use the 3d stuff? |
| 14:58.57 | DevilChaos | hi where could i find new up to date tiger script to run against my machine? |
| 14:59.00 | florent | no |
| 14:59.08 | Bogaurd | Kvant: i've tried... its says a whole bunch of stuff depedns on it... |
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| 14:59.23 | abrotman | curt: is there a pattern ? |
| 14:59.24 | Bogaurd | Kvant: how can i tell apt-get to get rid of all the things that depend on it too? |
| 14:59.27 | curt | yes |
| 14:59.28 | rox | Bogaurd: then i guess you'll have to remove all of that stuff too |
| 14:59.32 | Bogaurd | =\ |
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| 14:59.39 | adii | hello |
| 14:59.45 | Bogaurd | i basically just want to wipe apache2 totally off my box :P |
| 14:59.45 | rox | Bogaurd: it will do it automatically |
| 14:59.55 | adii | i wanna have "user" join new group "group" , how should i do ? |
| 15:00.05 | qwertz | Hi, installed OTRS and trying to feed some of my old mails to it. Using "cat mailbox | /usr/share/otrs/bin/PostMaster.pl" quits without errors but there are no new mails in the otrs queues. Anybody knows where to look for? |
| 15:00.06 | rox | adii: man adduser |
| 15:00.10 | Bogaurd | rox: it says 'error: blah depends on apache2-common' |
| 15:00.19 | curt | abrotman, the two lines need replacing in about 40 different php files and they are both the same text being replaced by the same new text |
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| 15:00.43 | abrotman | curt: ok .. if you use find + sed .. should be ok |
| 15:00.45 | florent | but if I have the problem with ati drivers, and not with vesa, I deduce that the problem comes from ati driver |
| 15:00.56 | curt | abrotman, yes, i read the sed man before comeing here but.... |
| 15:01.26 | DevilChaos | florent:haveing trouble with ati? what GC are you using? |
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| 15:01.42 | abrotman | curt: so which part don't you geT ? |
| 15:01.47 | curt | hehe |
| 15:02.12 | florent | DevilChaos: ati radeon 9600 TX (TX, not XT) |
| 15:02.29 | DevilChaos | xfree or xorg? |
| 15:02.31 | curt | abrotman, I used grep to match the text I need to change to find the files |
| 15:02.36 | florent | xorg |
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| 15:03.09 | DevilChaos | and what happons with xserver when you startx or gdm command? |
| 15:03.20 | abrotman | curt: do you need to replace evey occurance in every file ? |
| 15:03.22 | curt | abrotman, I only ever used find like this find * | grep whatever |
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| 15:03.39 | DevilChaos | xdm whatever |
| 15:03.41 | curt | abrotman, there is only one occurance in each file |
| 15:04.15 | curt | abrotman, all the files are in the same directory too |
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| 15:04.27 | florent | DevilChaos: I just have the same problem than rox : <rox> i am running a 2.6.12-686 stock kernel, an ati radeon 9550 with ati proprietary drivers and xfce as the desktop. When i switch to the console with ctrl-alt-f1 and then back to x with alt-f7, my system freezes. Can anybody tell me how to solve the problem and still use the 3d acceleration features of my graphics hardware? |
| 15:04.32 | abrotman | curt: find . -name *.php | sed -e 's/<blah>/<foo>/' ... might work |
| 15:04.39 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 15:04.39 | abrotman | curt: test it in a tmp dir first |
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| 15:04.53 | abrotman | wiat ... is that right ? |
| 15:05.14 | DevilChaos | ah i came in too late to get that bit sorry |
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| 15:05.44 | andyoutside | I just installed debian on a old computer when I start it up it says "I can not start x server (it was probly set up incorectly)"... what do I do to fix this? |
| 15:05.52 | abrotman | curt: that doesn't seem quite right |
| 15:05.57 | curt | abrotman, find is sending the files name to use to sed then sed is |
| 15:06.01 | curt | i was wondering |
| 15:06.05 | goron | When I do apt-get -f install, it wants to remove some packages. But I want to keep them. |
| 15:06.21 | abrotman | curt: ah .. need a -i too |
| 15:06.25 | theD3viL | how to connect to someone with ssh ? |
| 15:06.35 | abrotman | curt: but copy a few files to /tmp/ and test it there first |
| 15:06.45 | goron | <trivial>Since if I remove those packages, I can't use the programs in those packages </trivial> |
| 15:06.52 | curt | abrotman, thanks i'll let you know |
| 15:07.25 | abrotman | goron: are you on testing or unstable ? |
| 15:07.52 | thingfish | or sarge? because the kdelibs4 version wanting to install is sarge's. |
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| 15:08.07 | goron | abrotman: Well, it's mixed. |
| 15:08.13 | abrotman | goron: and you're using kde |
| 15:08.14 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:08.15 | goron | abrotman: It was Stable. |
| 15:08.35 | goron | abrotman: but since I had a problem I tried with the unstable kde version. I am not sure how it's called now. |
| 15:08.40 | goron | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:08.54 | thingfish | you can't mix Debian versions, in my opinion. I mean you can, but then you end up with problems, as I know all too well from personal experience. |
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| 15:08.56 | abrotman | goron: kde is affected by the C++ abi changes .. |
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| 15:09.30 | goron | abrotman: kde is working, I was installing the exact same package (amarok) I asked you about last week. |
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| 15:09.50 | goron | abrotman: somehow they were deleted. |
| 15:09.52 | abrotman | goron: apt-cache policy amarok |
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| 15:10.09 | luke | Hi All, I have editted my XFree86-4 file and now X does not load, I have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but this does not help. Anything else I can try? |
| 15:10.11 | andyoutside | I start it up it says "I can not start x server (it was probly set up incorectly)"... what do I do to fix this? or how do I set it up? |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | goron: where does it want to get it form ? |
| 15:10.13 | abrotman | from |
| 15:10.27 | abrotman | andyoutside: check for EE lines in your log |
| 15:10.33 | abrotman | !tell luke about xmd5 |
| 15:10.34 | goron | 500 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 15:10.37 | andyoutside | it(my computer with debain |
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| 15:10.42 | ganymed_ | hello |
| 15:10.47 | abrotman | goron: that's from unstable .. |
| 15:10.48 | goron | abrotman: But I have .deb files on my computer that I want to install with dpkg. |
| 15:11.03 | abrotman | goron: and they don't work .. probably because of the C++ changes |
| 15:11.13 | blondie | arse |
| 15:11.16 | luke | thanks abrotman :) |
| 15:11.16 | goron | abrotman: amarok works now. |
| 15:11.30 | goron | abrotman: but apt doesn't let me install other things. |
| 15:11.43 | NichtMued | I have to copy important data from host A to B and vice versa. Is there a neat console backup tool capable of "copy only newer files" and "verify contents"? |
| 15:11.46 | abrotman | goron: those are called conflicts :) |
| 15:11.55 | abrotman | NichtMued: rsync ? |
| 15:11.57 | goron | abrotman: It says "hey dude, remove amarok first before I do anything else". |
| 15:12.00 | goron | abrotman: I know |
| 15:12.02 | ganymed_ | i have etch running. but since i there was a power down (from the electrical system) i cannot log into any wm except with root. there must be a permission problem but i cannot figure out where. help!? |
| 15:12.06 | abrotman | goron: amarok isn't in sid ? |
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| 15:12.10 | goron | abrotman: And I always seem to get them. |
| 15:12.15 | NichtMued | abrotman: Thanks, I'll do man rsync. |
| 15:12.21 | abrotman | NichtMued: good plan :) |
| 15:12.26 | goron | abrotman: With amarok it's mostly newer is better. |
| 15:12.48 | goron | abrotman: but I could try the sid version, yes. Will do. |
| 15:12.58 | abrotman | goron: is the amarok you have ... newer than the one in sid ? |
| 15:12.59 | abrotman | !info amarok |
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| 15:13.03 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.3.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8167 kB, Installed size: 15619 kB |
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| 15:13.07 | andyoutside | it say no devie dected |
| 15:13.29 | odla | tarzeau: bubnbros? |
| 15:13.42 | goron | abrotman: and some other thing: my sound suddently stopped working when I switched from Gnome to KDE, while I have OSS sound. |
| 15:13.46 | zoid | how can i block an ip from connecting to my box? |
| 15:13.54 | abrotman | goron: arts is evil :) |
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| 15:14.01 | abrotman | zoid: iptables .. #iptables |
| 15:14.03 | ganymed_ | now i cannot login with anything anymore. it says i have no write access to my home dir (as root!). everything is mounted rw...? |
| 15:14.09 | goron | abrotman: So that would imply "Disable the sound system"? |
| 15:14.29 | ganymed_ | any ideas? |
| 15:14.42 | abrotman | !arts |
| 15:14.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, arts is the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
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| 15:15.01 | goron | lol |
| 15:15.07 | abrotman | goron: if you want more info about arts .. or other kde issues(in debian) .. maybe ask #debian-kde |
| 15:15.22 | odla | abrotman: what wm do you run? |
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| 15:15.38 | goron | abrotman: I want to f*cking destroy arts! ;) |
| 15:15.41 | abrotman | sawfish .. with gnome as my DE .. i used to use blackbox .. for a long time |
| 15:15.48 | luke | abrotman the reason why I editted XFree86-4 was to get my mouse scroll wheel to work, any ideas how I can get my ps/2 to work with X? |
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| 15:15.58 | abrotman | IMPS/2 |
| 15:16.02 | abrotman | probab |
| 15:16.02 | abrotman | ly |
| 15:16.28 | luke | abrotman IMPS/2.... okay, but I think I have tried this and it did not work. |
| 15:16.35 | abrotman | !wheelmouse |
| 15:16.37 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:16.40 | abrotman | !wheel mouse |
| 15:16.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, mouse wheel is at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or http://www.horns.freeserve.co.uk/wheel_a.jpg |
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| 15:16.49 | abrotman | i bet thta's worthless |
| 15:17.12 | abrotman | luke: tbh .. i've never done anything special .. mine just worked .. though .. look at the axis 4 5 stuffs |
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| 15:17.54 | luke | yea but I cant edit the file manually and dpkg-reconfigure xser..... does not have this option |
| 15:17.57 | luke | :( |
| 15:18.11 | luke | ah |
| 15:18.15 | luke | on that page :) |
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| 15:18.44 | andyoutside | aabrotman it says no devie dected |
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| 15:18.58 | luke | + |
| 15:19.17 | ganymed_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:19.53 | goron | What was that command for listing open-files? (so that I can hunt down the thief of /dev/dsp?) |
| 15:20.07 | ganymed_ | can anybody tell me, what files are used for starting the wm, that could be permission critical? |
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| 15:20.42 | main | I need a larger text size in rxvt. The small text can't be seen by my eyes. |
| 15:20.45 | grirgz | hi |
| 15:21.06 | bizkit | when i use tc qdisk, i use this to detect ssh packets: match ip tos 0x10 0xff |
| 15:21.14 | bizkit | how can i detect sftp packets? |
| 15:21.17 | abrotman | goron: fuser/lsof |
| 15:21.58 | Amperstand | How do I increase rxvt terminal text size? |
| 15:22.15 | bizkit | can anyone suggest me a channel for qdisc and qos related questions? |
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| 15:24.12 | ganymed_ | ok, putting it another way: what lock files are used for xorg and kde? |
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| 15:25.33 | silverwolf | .ereh ti did I ?eeS |
| 15:26.00 | edrin | alsa does not play sound nice on my cmipci device. the quality is quite bad (no bass, too much treble). alsamixer doesnt really help, there is no option to change the bass/treble. how can i fix this problem? (system debian testing kernel 2.6.11) cmedia sound card. |
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| 15:33.22 | |RABBIT| | greetings |
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| 15:33.45 | kingsley | |RABBIT|: Hi |
| 15:34.07 | |RABBIT| | I have a question about dist codenames - is 'sid' always the most cutting edge, or 'etch' is something that is to replace it? |
| 15:34.20 | |RABBIT| | different sources on the web contradict each other |
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| 15:35.19 | odla | !info dfm etch |
| 15:35.30 | dpkg | dfm: (The Desktop-File-Manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.99.7-7 (etch), Packaged size: 234 kB, Installed size: 1036 kB |
| 15:35.44 | odla | dfm rules! |
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| 15:37.19 | nkuttler | |RABBIT|: www.debian.org/releases |
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| 15:37.22 | odla | |RABBIT|: sid will always be unstable, etch is currently testing and will be the new stable when it's released |
| 15:37.38 | odla | |RABBIT|: sid will always be the most cutting edge, except for experimental |
| 15:37.43 | ganymed_ | is there any way i can reset the config of the xserver? |
| 15:37.53 | |RABBIT| | that's what I wanted to confirm |
| 15:37.55 | |RABBIT| | thanks |
| 15:37.56 | odla | ganymed_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:38.00 | odla | ganymed_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:38.08 | DevilChaos | libmagick6 can i just download it and install or di i have to recompile source withmagick9? |
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| 15:38.10 | odla | ganymed_: depending on if you have xorg or xfree86 |
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| 15:39.16 | DevilChaos | i know is was told to recompile but do i really heve to ? |
| 15:39.40 | ganymed_ | i have already done so... it only wants to replace xorg.conf... and this is not the problematic file as it seems |
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| 15:40.42 | kingsley | |RABBIT|: You might be interested in section 5.3 of http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html |
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| 15:42.46 | Tuttle_ | Is anyone maintaining the Firefox and/or Thunderbird backports for Sarge? |
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| 15:43.12 | curt | abrotman, sed -e 's/<blah>/<foo>/ part seems fine but the find . -name '*.php' doesn't seem to be |
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| 15:43.23 | Guerin | Tuttle_: no, they just magically appear in s.d.o |
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| 15:44.21 | curt | abrotman, if I do sed -i -e 's/<blah>/<foo>/ (filename) text gets changed correctly |
| 15:44.24 | mmk[void] | hello people will someone take a guess whats goin on : |
| 15:44.24 | mmk[void] | fratelli:~# ping localhost |
| 15:44.24 | mmk[void] | PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 15:44.24 | mmk[void] | pingouin: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
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| 15:44.55 | baikonur | hi |
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| 15:45.02 | kingsley | curt: Do you know about the #bash channel? |
| 15:45.03 | Tuttle_ | Guerin: Firefox 1.5 you mean for example? on security.debian.org ? |
| 15:45.12 | curt | I do |
| 15:45.24 | baikonur | why isn't there mozilla-firefox 1.5 in SID? |
| 15:45.25 | Guerin | Tuttle_: no. security.d.o gets security updates, not vanity updates |
| 15:45.40 | Guerin | Tuttle_: if you want firefox 1.5, install the static binaries from mozilla.org |
| 15:45.46 | curt | kingsley, um, something about coming here in the past with good success keeps me coming back |
| 15:45.48 | Tuttle_ | Guerin: I know, that's why i do not get your response. |
| 15:46.07 | Guerin | Tuttle_: i answered your question. Want a different answer, ask a different question. |
| 15:46.18 | Guerin | baikonur: because you haven't packaged and uploaded it yet. |
| 15:46.18 | curt | kingsley, i'll go ask over there... |
| 15:46.57 | Tuttle_ | Guerin: ah, vanity updates... thank you very much for your help |
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| 15:47.48 | Guerin | mmk[void]: i've struck this, and would you believe the only thing that would fix it was a reboot |
| 15:48.21 | Guerin | mmk[void]: though probably stopping the network, removing and replacing the networking kernel modules would do it |
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| 15:48.59 | mmk[void] | Guerin i've alredy reboted, and tried with another kernel |
| 15:49.05 | typewriter | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 15:49.06 | Guerin | mmk[void]: no idea then. |
| 15:49.07 | typewriter | Segmentation faulty Tree... 50% |
| 15:49.14 | mmk[void] | :) 10q |
| 15:49.19 | typewriter | this is a new debian installl... |
| 15:49.25 | typewriter | how do i fix that? |
| 15:49.25 | Guerin | typewriter: /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 15:49.57 | typewriter | ok |
| 15:50.02 | baikonur | Guerin: does Eric Dorland does not maintain the package anymore? |
| 15:50.04 | typewriter | so what does that mean? hardware problem? |
| 15:50.14 | typewriter | i am just running `apt-get upgrade` |
| 15:50.25 | mmk[void] | kind of strange shit happening, google can't say much |
| 15:50.35 | Guerin | baikonur: no idea. But since whoever does is obviously not working fast enough for you, I suggest you do it yourself. |
| 15:50.57 | Guerin | typewriter: sig11 is almost always library corruption or faulty ram. |
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| 15:51.12 | baikonur | Guerin: no, I can wait, I was just curious if it maybe won't be packaged anymore because of trademark issues or something like that |
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| 15:51.36 | Guerin | baikonur: read debian-legal. It may be changing name, or similar. |
| 15:51.43 | typewriter | Guerin: how would i fix it if its library corruption? |
| 15:52.09 | Guerin | typewriter: reinstall said libraries. Very, very unlikely on a new install, though. |
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| 15:53.14 | typewriter | if I use a different mirror in my sources.list (official mirror) i get different errors |
| 15:53.39 | ganymed_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.48 | typewriter | like... |
| 15:53.48 | typewriter | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 15:54.01 | Bogaurd | oh god, i just had one of the hard drives from my LVM die... is there any chance of getting back what remains of my data? |
| 15:54.22 | florent | typewriter: apt-get update |
| 15:55.07 | typewriter | that's what im doing |
| 15:55.14 | typewriter | no matter how many times I do it, same error |
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| 15:56.05 | typewriter | http://pastebot.nd.edu/1121 |
| 15:56.08 | typewriter | full error |
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| 15:57.04 | NichtMued | I would like to compare the file contents of 2 directory trees. Which console tool should I use? |
| 15:57.31 | florent | NichtMued: diff ? |
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| 15:59.59 | typewriter | are segfault errors consistent everytime? |
| 16:00.13 | typewriter | if i do the exact samething 10 times will i get segfaults all 10 times? |
| 16:00.30 | row | depends on the error.... |
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| 16:01.04 | luisito | hello |
| 16:01.13 | luisito | I have a problem |
| 16:01.18 | luisito | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.32 | Gnea | luisito: reinstall |
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| 16:01.58 | luisito | Gnea, I'll lose all my info? |
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| 16:03.53 | fearaz | luisito.. damn, did the same thing once.. you are seriously in deep water now.. dont think theres any way you can go back. |
| 16:04.49 | luisito | man, I just had a great system builded. |
| 16:04.50 | fearaz | luisito.. most importantly, backup your /etc and your /home.. and reinstalling shouldnt be that bad :D |
| 16:05.04 | jbroome | well, /etc/ would be fubar wouldn't it? |
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| 16:05.48 | fearaz | not saying he should overwrite his new install with the old one.. just to have the configuration handy.. usually something you might have used a lot of time setting up. |
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| 16:07.04 | pipeline | hmm |
| 16:07.08 | fearaz | and your home directory will turn the most applications and DE's into what settings you had before.. |
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| 16:07.41 | silvinho | luisito: what is fucked up ? |
| 16:08.08 | jbroome | fearaz: gotcha |
| 16:08.36 | DevilChaos | hi ive tried the command dpkg recommends and i get this message posted in flood anyone help |
| 16:08.47 | ick | How can "Network unreachable" be solved? If have two machines hooked to one router, and one of the two works. The one which is now not working, did work yesterday. Hardware failure is unlikely. |
| 16:09.04 | silvinho | ick: check a netstat -rn and see what the default route is |
| 16:09.29 | ick | how can I set the static IP-address of a host btw? |
| 16:09.53 | silvinho | well debian sets up the interfaces based on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:09.56 | fearaz | yea.. unreachable usually means that the subnet is not defined.. |
| 16:10.15 | silvinho | or you can temporarily do it by 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0' |
| 16:10.35 | ick | silvinho: I get only the table headers, no contents. So no routes. |
| 16:10.42 | fearaz | THERES your answer |
| 16:10.46 | silvinho | k so what's your network look like ? |
| 16:10.47 | fearaz | :D |
| 16:11.01 | DevilChaos | anyone help with transcode probs? |
| 16:11.02 | silvinho | route add default gw routerip |
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| 16:11.22 | ick | silvinho: two computers behind a router with NAT. |
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| 16:11.54 | fearaz | You dont need a gw necessarily |
| 16:12.07 | ganymed_ | i can only start my xserver as root. reconfiguring xserver-common doesn't help. any ideas? |
| 16:12.09 | fearaz | oh yeah. sorry, going through a router.. you do |
| 16:12.21 | ick | I didn't use a route before and then it worked. |
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| 16:12.34 | silvinho | ick: how are your machines getting ips ? |
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| 16:12.40 | ick | silvinho: DHCP |
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| 16:13.00 | silvinho | ganymed_: i've had that problem before, i think wrong perms on x configuration file, or no xinitrc |
| 16:13.03 | ick | silvinho: well, it's NAT they don |
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| 16:13.17 | silvinho | ick: yeah when you get an ip via dhcp it will setup a default route for you |
| 16:13.17 | ick | silvinho: 't really get "real" IPs. |
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| 16:13.41 | ick | silvinho: if I do ifup eth1, then it just times out. |
| 16:14.00 | ganymed_ | silvinho: you mean xorg.conf? |
| 16:14.00 | fearaz | I'd say.. route add -net 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 .. should do the trick, if the IP is set up correctly. and of course the IP is on the subnet i gave an example of. |
| 16:14.17 | DevilChaos | ick: can you help with transcode probs i need it to work with libmagick9 instead of libmagick6 ? |
| 16:14.24 | luisito | silvinho, I did "sudo chmod a+rw -R" in / |
| 16:14.39 | harleyg | can someone help me, ive been here about this a few times before but now im serious! - http://pastebin.com/467899 |
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| 16:14.59 | ganymed_ | silvinho: xorg.conf is set to -rw-r--r-- |
| 16:16.14 | silvinho | ganymed_: you might just want to apt-get remove xorg and reinstall it |
| 16:16.19 | fearaz | ick... if the router acts as a switch for the internal network, you dont necessarily need a gateway set up to see the other computers. |
| 16:16.35 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.47 | silvinho | luisito: hrm so whats wrong ? i mean you can try resetting it by doing like chmod 755 `find /etc/ -type d` |
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| 16:17.43 | ganymed_ | i upgraded it. it didn't work. and reconfiguring it only configures X, so xorg.conf, but this is a highly customized file... |
| 16:17.44 | silvinho | ick: give an interface an ip, and see if you can ping that ip from the machine itself, if so then it's prob a network/cable issue |
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| 16:18.00 | silvinho | ganymed_: check perms on the binaries ? |
| 16:18.13 | harleyg | anybody? |
| 16:18.14 | ick | silvinho: and that was possible in /etc/network/interfaces, right? |
| 16:18.52 | silvinho | sure read the man 5 interfaces for the syntax |
| 16:19.20 | luisito | silvinho, that will reset all in etc. but what about all the others? |
| 16:19.22 | ganymed_ | which binaries? i don't know what i need... |
| 16:19.28 | harleyg | can anyone help i cannot update, i cannot do anything with apt-get! |
| 16:19.56 | silvinho | harleyg: have you apt-get update ? |
| 16:20.01 | ganymed_ | i can do startx, it reads the config, the xserver appears for a moment and shuts down... |
| 16:20.04 | harleyg | yes it says the same thing |
| 16:20.07 | silvinho | ganymed_: wish i could remember, try throwing an strace on X |
| 16:20.10 | harleyg | read my pastebin.. |
| 16:20.14 | silvinho | i did |
| 16:20.18 | silvinho | not very informative |
| 16:20.25 | silvinho | check logs for what is going wrong |
| 16:20.28 | archie | i'm familiar with installing and admin'ing a single debian computer. At work, we have bought 8 (and more coming later) computers. Any utils to make installing the same software everywhere easier? |
| 16:20.36 | harleyg | ... it says whats going wrong.. |
| 16:21.54 | Maulkin | harleyg: Which distrobution are you running? |
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| 16:23.14 | harleyg | debian.. |
| 16:23.16 | harleyg | http://pastebin.com/467920 |
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| 16:23.51 | harleyg | see what i mean? |
| 16:23.53 | harleyg | i cant do anything |
| 16:23.58 | Maulkin | harleyg: I mean stable/testing/unstable? |
| 16:24.04 | silvinho | archie: there are a number of tools to help you out, i would suggest spending an hour or two reading around at debian-administration.org they have some solid articles on what can help you out |
| 16:24.07 | dbw-LAPTOP | anyone else notice amarok has no installation candidate in etch? |
| 16:24.29 | Gnea | harleyg: try installing it with dpkg directly |
| 16:24.35 | zorten | !amarok |
| 16:24.36 | dpkg | i heard amarok is THE audio player for KDE |
| 16:24.38 | harleyg | how |
| 16:24.53 | dbw-LAPTOP | zorten: thanks alot :P |
| 16:24.57 | Gnea | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/ircd-hybrid.yada.deb |
| 16:25.00 | archie | silvinho: thx |
| 16:25.06 | dbw-LAPTOP | lol |
| 16:25.08 | Gnea | :) |
| 16:25.08 | harleyg | i am testing/unstable |
| 16:25.20 | Gnea | is it testing or unstable? |
| 16:25.21 | Maulkin | harleyg: Erm... which one? |
| 16:25.29 | Gnea | they are not one in the same |
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| 16:25.45 | silvinho | hrm anyone ever made a component to hd15 cable ? |
| 16:25.46 | Quickimaster | hellpo |
| 16:25.46 | dbw-LAPTOP | dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/ion3-dev_20050820-5_all.deb |
| 16:25.48 | Quickimaster | hello |
| 16:26.08 | dbw-LAPTOP | aww :( i was hoping he'd extract it from my skull |
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| 16:26.23 | harleyg | http://pastebin.com/467926 |
| 16:26.25 | Quickimaster | i have an .deb file, how can i install the programm that is in this file? i now get an error |
| 16:26.43 | silvinho | harleyg: try installing the ircd-hybrid package with dpkg -i command and see if it gives a more useful error |
| 16:26.44 | nix | dpkg -i <file.deb> |
| 16:26.51 | dbw-LAPTOP | lol. |
| 16:26.53 | harleyg | just did... |
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| 16:27.03 | Gnea | harleyg: is that testing OR unstable? |
| 16:27.04 | dbw-LAPTOP | dpkg -r <file> |
| 16:27.10 | EdibleText | !tell archie about debian clone |
| 16:27.11 | dbw-LAPTOP | tee hee. |
| 16:27.16 | harleyg | its testing/unstable.. |
| 16:27.16 | harleyg | :D |
| 16:27.37 | harleyg | lol |
| 16:27.39 | harleyg | ow? |
| 16:27.42 | Gnea | idiot. |
| 16:27.52 | Gnea | is it testing OR unstable? |
| 16:27.55 | harleyg | cat /etc/debian_version says that |
| 16:27.59 | silvinho | wow debian clone is awesome |
| 16:28.05 | Quickimaster | http://pastebin.com/467929 |
| 16:28.10 | archie | EdibleText: thanks, i knew that, still requires me to set up base first.. |
| 16:28.11 | Gnea | it would, you need to read /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:28.14 | Maulkin | harleyg: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 16:28.27 | silvinho | Gnea: hes clearly running both in his sources.list, and if he doesn't know which it is i doubt he's pinned testing to anything |
| 16:28.54 | harleyg | http://pastebin.com/467931 |
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| 16:29.18 | Timmmm | How can I get a list of available version of a package? |
| 16:29.19 | Maulkin | harleyg: ok, you're running testing |
| 16:29.22 | Gnea | ok, it's testing |
| 16:29.27 | harleyg | okey dokey |
| 16:29.30 | Maulkin | Timmmm: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:29.34 | Gnea | silvinho: oh he is, is he? |
| 16:29.39 | dbw-LAPTOP | Quickimaster: you probably have some other mail server installed |
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| 16:29.52 | hmpedersen | Does the debian dvd images work from a usb-dvd? |
| 16:29.53 | silvinho | Gnea: was i right ? =P |
| 16:29.58 | Timmmm | Maulkin: Won't that just update it? I want to install an old version but I don't know what it is called.. |
| 16:30.06 | Gnea | silvinho: you didn't read it? no way, you lose. :P |
| 16:30.17 | silvinho | Gnea: can't win all the time |
| 16:30.23 | footloose | i'm having trouble getting a new debian install going with debootstrap |
| 16:30.31 | harleyg | so im running testing.. how does this help us? :D |
| 16:30.40 | Quickimaster | dbw-LAPTOP > i had exim, but i removed it. i have the following services installed and running (only that have to do whit e-mail): vm-pop3d direct admin |
| 16:30.41 | footloose | some of the packages won't install |
| 16:30.46 | Maulkin | Timmmm: Ahh, sorry, misread. |
| 16:30.49 | Gnea | harleyg: dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/ircd-hybrid_1%3a7.0.3-3_i386.deb |
| 16:30.53 | footloose | it's worked before, but not today... any advice? |
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| 16:31.02 | Maulkin | Timmmm: apt-cache policy |
| 16:31.04 | EdibleText | archie then i geuss you need some conveniant methefd of rep methed of replicating the bas install |
| 16:31.05 | Timmmm | Maulkin: Ie apt-get install libstdc++5-3.3-dev=3.3.4 but its not exactly "3.3.4" - "1:3.3.4-debian2" or something annoying |
| 16:31.23 | dbw-LAPTOP | Quickimaster: i'm not really sure... go to debian.org and check what conflicts with the package you're trying to install |
| 16:31.32 | harleyg | http://pastebin.com/467937 |
| 16:31.44 | Timmmm | Maulkin: Thanks |
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| 16:31.55 | Gnea | harleyg: remove it, it's broke |
| 16:32.00 | harleyg | how?? |
| 16:32.01 | harleyg | :) |
| 16:32.08 | Gnea | apt-get remove ircd-hybrid |
| 16:32.34 | Gnea | harleyg: you should man apt-get and man dpkg sometime |
| 16:32.41 | Gnea | !newbie-guide |
| 16:32.41 | dpkg | newbie-guide is, like, you've decided to do away with windows or are pondering it and want to use Linux.. good for you! But this isn't windows, you can't just install it and be up and running unless it's a livecd, that isn't even finished yet.. you need to RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) which are located at http://www.justlinux.com and http://www.tldp.org, also see http://www.debian.org and http://www.google.com chances are they know the answer! |
| 16:32.56 | harleyg | http://pastebin.com/467940 |
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| 16:33.17 | harleyg | i know how to use apt-get... i was just wondering wherther you mean with dpkg or with apt-get |
| 16:33.21 | harleyg | :D |
| 16:33.22 | Gnea | harleyg: if it depends on ircd-hybrid, remove it as well on the same line. |
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| 16:33.34 | Gnea | i said both, are you illiterate? |
| 16:33.37 | harleyg | i need apt-get to update... i am a host ya know |
| 16:33.40 | harleyg | yes i am a little |
| 16:33.54 | Gnea | then the shots to the head didn't phase you ;) |
| 16:33.56 | EdibleText | archie if they are identical disks you may be able to make 3 clones per reboot (if IDE) then youed only have to rebooth the system 3 times for 7 other disks (after making the first one) |
| 16:34.01 | harleyg | it still doesnt remove it :) |
| 16:34.24 | Maulkin | harleyg: have you tried apt-get remove ircd-hybrid hybserv |
| 16:34.26 | Maulkin | ? |
| 16:34.27 | Gnea | again, anything that needs to be removed as a dependancy needs to be removed - apt-get -f install might fix it |
| 16:34.42 | harleyg | ok |
| 16:34.43 | Gnea | i mean, it tells you how to fix it |
| 16:34.47 | harleyg | -f doesnt.. |
| 16:34.52 | harleyg | i have tried it |
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| 16:34.56 | harleyg | you have seen the apstebins.. |
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| 16:35.07 | Gnea | well then you need to RTFM |
| 16:35.08 | ick | silvinho: I booted Windows. It all worked. Then I booted Debian, again, it all worked. But I am "afraid" it will break when I reset my modem. |
| 16:35.10 | Gnea | man dpkg |
| 16:35.12 | Gnea | go read it |
| 16:35.15 | Gnea | and try to use it |
| 16:35.17 | theD3viL | i just wondering how many peoples using sid ? |
| 16:35.33 | Gnea | theD3viL: a lot |
| 16:35.39 | harleyg | mmm.... thanks maulkin |
| 16:35.42 | harleyg | seems that done it |
| 16:35.43 | Gnea | thousands |
| 16:35.45 | theD3viL | Gnea, why if it unstable ? |
| 16:35.46 | harleyg | letme try upgarde.. |
| 16:35.55 | Gnea | theD3viL: it's part of the process. |
| 16:36.01 | silvinho | hrm is there a gui app that has internet radio stations, sorta like itunes ? |
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| 16:36.13 | harleyg | THANKS! |
| 16:36.14 | ick | silvinho: rhythbox and amarok |
| 16:36.18 | Maulkin | theD3viL: You may be able to get some stats out of http://popcon.debian.org, but I'm not sure |
| 16:36.30 | ick | silvinho: +m |
| 16:36.36 | Gnea | harleyg: funny, i said to do the same thing, you just didn't read it right. |
| 16:36.55 | harleyg | na you said remove the otehr stuff, not sayuing what the other stuff was |
| 16:36.57 | silvinho | ick: thx |
| 16:36.58 | Maulkin | harleyg: next time, I'd suggest following Gnea's advice and reading the man pages that you were pointed to :) It'll get fixed quicker, and you can learn what to do next time. |
| 16:37.01 | harleyg | sorru - thank you gnea! |
| 16:37.02 | harleyg | :D |
| 16:37.02 | ick | silvinho: How can I make sure that Debian does the Right Thing when I reset my modem? |
| 16:37.04 | theD3viL | i dont know...its boring using stable...nothing to do..so i unstable bodering me |
| 16:37.12 | harleyg | ok cool thanks |
| 16:37.13 | Gnea | harleyg: actually, i said what the other stuff was |
| 16:37.14 | silvinho | ick: oh not sure, never used modems under linux |
| 16:37.29 | harleyg | meh |
| 16:37.35 | ick | silvinho: modem, well it's plugged into the router. |
| 16:37.37 | harleyg | happy? |
| 16:37.49 | ick | silvinho: And the router is connected to a DSL modem. |
| 16:37.50 | silvinho | oh cablemodem |
| 16:38.09 | silvinho | what sort of router ? |
| 16:38.13 | shadow98 | anybody know how i could w/ pureftpd and mysql set it up so a user only last for a specified period og time? |
| 16:38.22 | ick | silvinho: El Cheapo Sweex. |
| 16:38.24 | Maulkin | ick: Well, if it's an external cablemodem, it shouldn't matter what OS is being used. |
| 16:38.27 | omry | hi, using etch. I keep getting errors from several programs about adobe-helvetica font missing |
| 16:38.32 | omry | xmms for example. |
| 16:38.33 | silvinho | ick: yeah basically |
| 16:38.44 | harleyg | lol |
| 16:38.44 | ick | Maulkin: Well, I think it's weird that Windows makes Debian work. |
| 16:38.49 | harleyg | right |
| 16:38.53 | harleyg | onto the final problem |
| 16:38.57 | Maulkin | ick: eh? |
| 16:38.59 | harleyg | my apache2 no longer logs :) |
| 16:38.59 | gr00vestar | hi, i have been googling for a whole but cant find out why my belkin gigbit ethernet card cant be found by debian during the install... any one got any ideas? |
| 16:39.03 | harleyg | any ideas? |
| 16:39.12 | theD3viL | why that: Nap http://security.debian.org sid/updates/contrib Packages |
| 16:39.12 | theD3viL | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.13 | KLD | how can I find my suid? |
| 16:39.16 | ick | Maulkin: I couldn't get an DHCP lease with Debian. |
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| 16:39.26 | ick | Maulkin: Then I restarted and booted Windows. |
| 16:39.27 | omry | harleyg, did you delete the logs by any chance? |
| 16:39.28 | silvinho | harleyg: how much room left in /var ? |
| 16:39.33 | Gnea | theD3viL: apt-get update |
| 16:39.37 | ick | Maulkin: The network Just Worked. |
| 16:39.39 | harleyg | havnt checked, and no i havt deleted the logs |
| 16:39.47 | Gnea | theD3viL: oh, there is no sid security, it should be stable |
| 16:39.48 | theD3viL | Gnea, i did.. |
| 16:39.52 | Maulkin | ick: Ahh, that's more useful info. |
| 16:39.56 | ick | Maulkin: Then I rebooted to Debian, and then the network did work. |
| 16:40.00 | theD3viL | Gnea, so i remove that line |
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| 16:40.03 | Gnea | theD3viL: if you use testing or unstable then you don't need security |
| 16:40.11 | Maulkin | ick: it should still work then. |
| 16:40.11 | harleyg | apache has been running 24/7 for the last 4-5-6months, and like 40000 hits, so even if i did delete em (which i didnt) there would be more! |
| 16:40.14 | theD3viL | Gnea, yes, ill upgrade to sid |
| 16:40.30 | azeem | theD3viL: why? |
| 16:40.37 | tsw | im getting "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `sasl' in statusoverride file" while "apt-get install libsasl2" any ideas? |
| 16:40.38 | ick | Maulkin: So you say that I should be able to reset my router and modem? And then do ifup eth1 and see it all work? |
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| 16:41.08 | theD3viL | azeem, i thought i can live normal with stable .. yea .. but there is nothing to do... |
| 16:41.12 | ick | tsw: it means that you miss the group sasl. |
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| 16:41.20 | TobiX | Hi |
| 16:41.21 | harleyg | how do i check how much space is elft in /var??? |
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| 16:41.26 | ick | tsw: it also means that some maintainter f*cked up. |
| 16:41.27 | silvinho | harleyg: df -h |
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| 16:41.31 | tsw | ick: so do I just add the group? |
| 16:41.36 | Andy0516 | how do i remove something (VHCS) i installed from source? |
| 16:41.42 | EdibleText | archie, perhaps you could boot to a base system via PXE |
| 16:41.42 | Maulkin | ick: It *should* do if you have something like: "inet eth1 dchp" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:41.42 | azeem | theD3viL: nothing to do? |
| 16:41.48 | harleyg | ok |
| 16:41.54 | ick | tsw: I have no experience with that software, but that would get rid of that error. |
| 16:42.00 | Maulkin | harleyg: Also, check teh size of the logfiles |
| 16:42.02 | tsw | ok, ill test |
| 16:42.07 | Gnea | can anyone DNS lookup www.commit1.com? |
| 16:42.17 | harleyg | plently of space... |
| 16:42.19 | KLD | no one knows how to find out a users suid? |
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| 16:42.24 | harleyg | and i mean plenty |
| 16:42.24 | theD3viL | azeem, yes, ... i have nothing to work with it |
| 16:42.26 | tsw | ick: does it matter what gid I give it? |
| 16:42.34 | harleyg | 1% on 3 hds, and 35% on the main one |
| 16:42.37 | Gnea | KLD: you mean uid? |
| 16:42.42 | azeem | theD3viL: do you mean you upgrade to unstable because you're bored? |
| 16:42.48 | harleyg | if i upgrade the kernel, cant i leave it a few days until i reboot |
| 16:42.53 | KLD | ummm maybe .. how I get that |
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| 16:42.59 | ick | Maulkin: I have auto eth1 and iface eth1 inet dhcp on two different lines. |
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| 16:43.06 | ick | tsw: I don't know. |
| 16:43.07 | Maulkin | Gnea: A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET [com] (192.5.6.30) Refers backwards |
| 16:43.07 | theD3viL | azeem, yes |
| 16:43.09 | silvinho | Gnea: it's authoritive nameservers aren't responding |
| 16:43.10 | harleyg | next time i do a scheduled reboot itll be when i put gigabyte ethernet cards in :) |
| 16:43.13 | ick | tsw: I don't think so. |
| 16:43.16 | Andy0516 | how do i remove something (VHCS) i installed from source? |
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| 16:43.24 | Gnea | hrm, that's what i thought, thanks |
| 16:43.24 | Maulkin | ick: then it shoudl be fine :) |
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| 16:43.31 | azeem | theD3viL: ok. But please do not come here when something breks |
| 16:43.33 | shadow98 | anybody know how i could w/ pureftpd and mysql set it up so a user only last for a specified period og time? |
| 16:43.34 | samlii | anybody here work with software raid 5's? Is it normal for the array to take > 36 hrs to build? (3 160Gb'rs) |
| 16:43.34 | azeem | eh, breaks |
| 16:43.46 | silvinho | samlii: depends how fast the machine is |
| 16:44.08 | Maulkin | ick: Debian can handle it. IT's possible your modem can't :) |
| 16:44.09 | silvinho | i think my 4x250 array took a few hours to build on a dual p3 500 |
| 16:44.28 | samlii | silvinho: an 800 p3 |
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| 16:44.34 | Maulkin | shadow98: What do you mean? |
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| 16:44.47 | theD3viL | azeem, hm...i dont get something ...why kubuntu, slack, arch and other can have kde3.5 in stable repo? |
| 16:44.51 | silvinho | samlii: sounds like somethings up are you using raidtools or mdadm ? |
| 16:45.12 | archie | EdibleText: pxe looks interseting |
| 16:45.14 | shadow98 | Maulkin: i want to setup temporary users for like 24 hrs to download things |
| 16:45.19 | Maulkin | theD3viL: They work differently. We can't really comment on how different distros choose to put things. |
| 16:45.26 | TobiX | How are edits of debtags on http://debian.vitavonni.de/packagebrowser/ propagated to the package files? Is there a faster way? |
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| 16:45.37 | shadow98 | after 24 hrs account and dir is deleted |
| 16:45.38 | azeem | theD3viL: does RHEL have KDE 3.5 in stable? |
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| 16:45.43 | Maulkin | shadow98: Run a small script that deletes them from teh database after 24 hours? |
| 16:45.49 | silvinho | shadow98: you should be able to make shell script to do that no prob |
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| 16:46.07 | theD3viL | azeem, RHEL = radhat? |
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| 16:46.19 | theD3viL | azeem, i just give some distros out of my mind |
| 16:46.26 | EdibleText | !radhat |
| 16:46.31 | shadow98 | Maulkin: but no way to put time frame in mysql that will auto delete |
| 16:46.36 | samlii | silvinho: mdadm |
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| 16:46.59 | Maulkin | shadow98: no. mysql won't run batch jobs by itself |
| 16:47.07 | silvinho | samlii: whats cat /proc/mdstat show you ? |
| 16:47.11 | ick | Maulkin: well the modem clearly could handle it since it worked in Windows. |
| 16:47.18 | Maulkin | shadow98: you could probably alter your table and add a timestamp that's checked by proftpd |
| 16:47.23 | ick | Maulkin: But now it works with a reset in Debian too. |
| 16:47.24 | theD3viL | Maulkin, so its just couse some packages cant "live" together ? |
| 16:47.36 | ick | Maulkin: But I have no clue where this random behaviour comes from. |
| 16:47.38 | shadow98 | pureftpd...hehehe |
| 16:47.45 | Maulkin | ick: no, if a modem can handle standard DHCP leases, it'll work with debian |
| 16:47.45 | shadow98 | it looks a lot nicer |
| 16:48.04 | EdibleText | ick two different boxes or dual boot? |
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| 16:48.26 | azeem | theD3viL: why do you need KDE 3.5? |
| 16:48.31 | ick | EdibleText: on one machine (this one) it worked the whole time. (also Debian) |
| 16:48.42 | azeem | theD3viL: if the answer is "because" maybe you should rather install Kubuntu |
| 16:48.49 | ick | EdibleText: On the other machine I could try ifup eth1 as much as I wanted, but it didn't work. |
| 16:48.54 | theD3viL | azeem, i dont need it...kde3.5 is just example |
| 16:48.55 | Maulkin | theD3viL: Erm... well, no, some programs won't play with each other, but I really don't know how other distributions decide how to classift something as stable. You'll need to check with them |
| 16:49.07 | ick | EdibleText: But when I rebooted the other machine to Windows, I had networking. |
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| 16:49.20 | gr00vestar | does anyone know about belkin pci gigabit ethernet adapter and why it isnt seen by debian installer? |
| 16:49.23 | ick | EdibleText: Then I rebooted to Debian on that machine, and then everything worked on Debian. |
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| 16:49.44 | theD3viL | azeem, i like debian and ill have debian i just asking |
| 16:49.46 | ick | EdibleText: In short: I have no idea why it didn't work the first time. |
| 16:49.47 | samlii | silvinho: posting in #flood |
| 16:49.52 | TobiX | theD3viL: You can get KDE-3.5 from Alioth and the packages are slowly going into experimental... |
| 16:50.03 | EdibleText | ick i havent been following (plus a lasklog ick produced lots of false positives) but perhaps the CPE is cacheing your mac or somesuch |
| 16:50.19 | ick | EdibleText: CPE? |
| 16:50.21 | ick | !cpe |
| 16:50.26 | ick | !CPE |
| 16:50.30 | silvinho | groovestar: cause you shouldn't buy belkin ? |
| 16:50.35 | Maulkin | ick: Please message the bots |
| 16:50.51 | theD3viL | TobiX, i dont need it.. |
| 16:51.05 | ick | Maulkin: not in this case, since I didn't know whether there was an answer in the bot. |
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| 16:51.08 | gr00vestar | silvinho: err.. ill remember that next time |
| 16:51.17 | silvinho | lol |
| 16:51.24 | ick | Maulkin: If the bot had an answer EdibleText would know. |
| 16:51.25 | silvinho | what mdoel is it ? |
| 16:51.37 | gr00vestar | "F5D5005EA" |
| 16:51.38 | ick | EdibleText: what is CPE? |
| 16:51.38 | silvinho | samlii: na even regular pci does 133 megs/sec |
| 16:51.51 | Maulkin | ick: And if there was, you'll have nicely spammed the channel :P |
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| 16:52.00 | EdibleText | icke its a general term for the hardware provided bto you (your location) by your provider of serevice |
| 16:52.01 | EdibleText | !dict CPE |
| 16:52.01 | silvinho | samlii: whats a hdparm -tT on the individual drives themselves show you ? |
| 16:52.02 | dpkg | i could not get info from dict.org 'error: connect: Connection refused at ./src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. |
| 16:52.22 | samlii | silvinho: can I do that while its building? |
| 16:52.34 | TobiX | Should a package have the tag devel::lang:scheme only because it uses Scheme for AI scripting? |
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| 16:52.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:52.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 16:53.03 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.11 | silvinho | samlii: i don't see whynot |
| 16:53.14 | ick | EdibleText: The MAC is the same, since it's dual-boot. |
| 16:53.14 | EdibleText | ick ^^ |
| 16:53.32 | samlii | silvinho: gotta get hdparm, one sec |
| 16:53.50 | ick | EdibleText: and it uses the same hardware on both OS's. |
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| 16:54.06 | EdibleText | ick thats what I thought |
| 16:54.08 | harleyg | my apache is logging error.log, but access.log is empty, any ideas? |
| 16:54.31 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 16:54.31 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 42 three-legged oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 16:54.31 | Maulkin | ick: next time, it'd be useful to get the logs from your ifup :) |
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| 16:54.47 | harleyg | lol |
| 16:54.55 | EdibleText | dpkg, thats a good one |
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| 16:55.00 | Maulkin | harleyg: /etc/apache/httpd.conf set up wrong? |
| 16:55.02 | ick | Maulkin: what file is that? |
| 16:55.10 | Maulkin | harleyg: wrong permissions? |
| 16:55.13 | ick | Maulkin: I don't have /var/log/network or something like that. |
| 16:55.19 | harleyg | apache2.. |
| 16:55.23 | Maulkin | ick: It's just what appears on the screen... |
| 16:55.33 | Maulkin | harleyg: Could be many things really :) |
| 16:55.35 | silvinho | gr00vestar: http://tinyurl.com/9ft92 has instructions on what module to use, apparently its a syskonnect chipset which surprises me |
| 16:55.40 | ick | Maulkin: I already said it timed out. |
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| 16:55.51 | Maulkin | ick: At what stage? |
| 16:55.58 | harleyg | when will be apache2.2 be in testing on apt-get :) |
| 16:56.07 | valdyn | gr00vestar: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 16:56.12 | samlii | silvinho: posted in #flood |
| 16:56.36 | Maulkin | ick: Logs are very useful for us. Just pointing out it's handy to have them so we can see exactly what we need. No offence intended or anything. |
| 16:56.37 | ick | Maulkin: Don't remember. But I will post it next time on pastebin to make you happy, ok ;) |
| 16:56.37 | EdibleText | sykonnect pwns j00 |
| 16:56.47 | silvinho | EdibleText: word |
| 16:56.50 | Maulkin | ick: :) |
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| 16:57.11 | silvinho | samlii: those speeds are terrible, what sort of drives are these ? |
| 16:57.24 | samlii | silvinho: pata drives, all wd 1600's wonder why the performance is so horrible on those two and not the others, any ideas? |
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| 16:57.34 | concept10 | was freenode down yesterday |
| 16:57.38 | theD3viL | azeem, eh..i think its better to doing something else .. like eyecandy...couse sid has realy alot broken packges as i see. |
| 16:57.57 | silvinho | samlii: even 23mb/sec sucks |
| 16:57.59 | gr00vestar | silvinho: cheers for the url i will check it out |
| 16:58.01 | samlii | silvinho: controllers are an ultra100 tx2 and a plain ultra 100 from promise |
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| 16:58.10 | valdyn | samlii: those disks were under load when you ran hdparm? |
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| 16:58.47 | samlii | valdyn: mdadm was rebuilding, don't know what kind of load that puts on the drives though |
| 16:59.09 | Maulkin | concept10: They've moved addresses to deal with spambots |
| 16:59.11 | valdyn | samlii: not that much |
| 16:59.19 | Maulkin | concept10: now use chat.freenode.net rather than irc.freenode.net |
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| 16:59.47 | concept10 | Maulkin, thanks bud |
| 16:59.53 | valdyn | samlii: is dma on or off on those drives? |
| 17:00.17 | Maulkin | concept10: there was a global announcement with the item. Can't remember the URL now though. There's probably something on the freenode website for further info. |
| 17:00.45 | sj | i have a dvdr and a dvdrw. When i put a dvd in gnome-volume-manager tries to play it with totem dvd://, which works fine for the dvdr, but not for the dvdrw, probably cos its called /media/cdwriter - any advice on how to get gvm / totem to look at the right device? |
| 17:00.47 | samlii | using_dma is 1 on all three |
| 17:01.02 | samlii | and the come up in dmesg as UDMA(100) |
| 17:01.15 | valdyn | samlii: i suggest you wait till your raid is synced and try again |
| 17:01.55 | silvinho | valdyn: it's syncing at less than a meg/sec somethings wrong |
| 17:02.12 | samlii | valdyn:thats the thing it says the raid is going to take 2000+ minutes |
| 17:02.15 | samlii | finish=2043.4min speed=1036K/sec |
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| 17:02.16 | sj | i meant cdrecorder not cdwriter |
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| 17:02.44 | silvinho | samlii: i would stop the synch somethings clearly wrong |
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| 17:03.48 | samlii | silvinho: how do I cancel the resync? |
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| 17:03.58 | valdyn | samlii: if you have knoppix or somesuch, i'd load that and 'benchmark' the disks there |
| 17:04.03 | luke | trying to install Vmware on Debian 3.1, but installation is asking for Kernel C header files, does anyone know the location of these? |
| 17:04.50 | valdyn | luke: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ( in sarge ) |
| 17:05.00 | luke | thanks |
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| 17:05.41 | silvinho | luke: you'll probably also need to use the vmware any-any patch |
| 17:05.58 | luke | any-any patch? |
| 17:06.48 | theD3viL | How can i remove (uninstall) what ive installed with *.run ? |
| 17:06.59 | Maulkin | luke: you'll be ok if you're using vmware-workstation 5.5 |
| 17:07.04 | valdyn | theD3viL: ask whoever made that .run file |
| 17:07.23 | silvinho | luke: it's a patch vmware provides to support unsupported os's like debian |
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| 17:07.58 | luke | okay thanks all....fingers crossed. |
| 17:08.36 | theD3viL | valdyn, hm..but there is no command like apt-get remove ? :) |
| 17:08.44 | valdyn | theD3viL: sure not |
| 17:09.00 | theD3viL | valdyn, k tnx |
| 17:09.38 | valdyn | wtb: apt-get read-my-mind |
| 17:09.44 | vosti | i've an intel w2200 card, I installed and compiled iee80211-source and ipw2200-source with kernel 2.14.4, but when i try to mount ipw2200 module it tell me about unknon symbol of ieee80211_xxx...what's wrong? |
| 17:10.15 | valdyn | vosti: dont compile these things 'extra', they are in your kernel already |
| 17:10.22 | dvs | vosti: did you get the firmware from Intel? |
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| 17:10.34 | vosti | dvs, yes..the latest |
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| 17:10.58 | vosti | valdyn, yes I know but that in kernel are older |
| 17:11.30 | valdyn | vosti: and? that's a problem? |
| 17:12.06 | valdyn | vosti: you got to be kidding me |
| 17:12.24 | valdyn | vosti: the latest release of ipw2200 is from 2005-Oct-20 |
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| 17:12.54 | dvs | valdyn: but it's not the latest and greatest ;-) |
| 17:13.02 | vosti | valdyn, i'm not kidding you |
| 17:13.45 | valdyn | vosti: so wich version of ipw2200 are you using? |
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| 17:15.04 | vosti | valdyn, 1.0.8 |
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| 17:15.18 | valdyn | vosti: and why do you think that one is newer than the one in your kernel? |
| 17:15.22 | DevilChaos | http://pastebin.ca/33971 |
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| 17:15.35 | luke | Well the installation of Vmware 5.5 looks like it was successful, however when I execute /usr/bin/vmware nothing happens, no errors or anything. Any ideas? |
| 17:15.58 | DevilChaos | maulkin:? |
| 17:16.04 | Gnea | !any ideas |
| 17:16.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 42 starving platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 17:16.18 | valdyn | vosti: 2.6.14 was release 27-Oct-2005 |
| 17:16.45 | c459s | What is the name of the program that is being run at the first installation of Debian where you are able to select pre-configured collection of packages? |
| 17:16.56 | dvs | tasksel? |
| 17:17.05 | c459s | dvs, that may just be it. Thanks ;) |
| 17:17.13 | dvs | c459s: no problem |
| 17:17.26 | vosti | valdyn, because if I try to use firmware version 2.4 it doesn't work..and with firmware 2.2 (= ipw2200 version 0.19) yes |
| 17:17.31 | valdyn | vosti: if you must use that 'newer' version, downgrade your kernel |
| 17:17.42 | DevilChaos | anyone able to help with package dependenceis please? |
| 17:17.52 | DevilChaos | trying to install dvdrip |
| 17:17.55 | Gnea | !ask |
| 17:17.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:18.16 | azeem | "I have a problem with package dependencies" |
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| 17:18.38 | luke | Well the installation of Vmware 5.5 looks like it was successful, however when I execute /usr/bin/vmware nothing happens, no errors or anything. Any one want to share any comments in regards to this, as you would think an error would be at least reported. |
| 17:18.40 | DevilChaos | apt says transcode is needed adn that transcode depends on libmagick 6 and i have libmagick9 |
| 17:18.41 | apt | okay, DevilChaos |
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| 17:18.57 | DevilChaos | apt? |
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| 17:19.10 | exalted | Hi. I'm trying to install "hotplug" package, but it conflicts with "udev" package. How to resolve this situation? |
| 17:19.11 | azeem | DevilChaos: apt is a bot |
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| 17:19.17 | EdibleText | ~says transcodes |
| 17:19.19 | Gnea | luke: are you sure it started the interfaces? |
| 17:19.22 | DevilChaos | shock# |
| 17:19.23 | astronut | i rebooted and my system is now fucked...kernel can't find hda1 |
| 17:19.32 | vosti | valdyn, thanks anyway |
| 17:19.34 | resiak | apt: forget says transcode |
| 17:19.34 | apt | i forgot says transcode, resiak |
| 17:19.37 | EdibleText | ~says transcodes |
| 17:19.38 | dvs | astronut: custom kernel? |
| 17:19.38 | astronut | i tried to recreate initrd image from a 2.4 kernel with the initramfs-tools |
| 17:19.41 | Gnea | luke: what about the anyany patch? |
| 17:19.48 | DevilChaos | the first time i recived a msg from dpkg i relpied to it and thats a bot too |
| 17:19.53 | luke | Gnea, all services reported done. |
| 17:19.55 | astronut | dvs: no, stock...that's why i used to use custom...initrd sucks |
| 17:20.05 | astronut | it dumped me to a shell |
| 17:20.06 | Gnea | luke: and the patch? |
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| 17:20.23 | luke | someone said you dont need it with the version 5.5....but I'll have a little look for it. |
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| 17:20.46 | Gnea | luke: i really don't know, i had to patch 5.0 and haven't done 5.5 yet - what kernel? |
| 17:20.47 | DevilChaos | i did the following command to try and rectify the problem but i got this back check http://pastebin.ca/33971 |
| 17:21.10 | DevilChaos | its doing my nut in! |
| 17:21.11 | oxez | anyone know the package that provides 'db_get' command ? seems that phpmyadmin needs that to be uninstalled |
| 17:21.21 | luke | Gnea, Default Debian 3.1 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 17:21.37 | Gnea | luke: yeah i don't know, i run 2.6 kernels |
| 17:22.03 | DevilChaos | 2.4 is 3 years old |
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| 17:22.16 | Gnea | it works tho |
| 17:22.22 | DevilChaos | yeah |
| 17:22.28 | Gnea | just not too well with newer hardware and whatnot |
| 17:22.32 | Gnea | sata, for instance |
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| 17:23.14 | valdyn | exalted: you accept the removal of 'hotplug' |
| 17:23.17 | astronut | i tried using initramfs-tools, but my kernel is still fucked |
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| 17:23.38 | DevilChaos | can i use mime to do my dvd ripping with nero? maybe a stupid question |
| 17:23.57 | resiak | exalted: udev performs the function of hotplug these days |
| 17:24.04 | astronut | "ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist, dropping to a shell..." |
| 17:24.28 | luke | will reboot and see if anything happens Gnea |
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| 17:24.44 | exalted | valdyn, resiak, oh is just that i'm installing ipw2200 device, following an article, and it says me to install hotplug |
| 17:24.45 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 17:25.02 | resiak | exalted: You no longer need hotplug. udev does hotplug's job |
| 17:25.10 | silvinho | astronut: did you purge yaird ? |
| 17:25.17 | silvinho | and dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image |
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| 17:25.36 | exalted | resiak, so module-assistant will work with no problems? |
| 17:25.51 | resiak | exalted: Sure, _should_ do. But what version of the kernel are you using, out of interest? |
| 17:26.01 | astronut | silvinho: yes |
| 17:26.08 | astronut | linux-image now |
| 17:26.10 | exalted | 2.6.*-686 |
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| 17:26.20 | astronut | linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 17:26.23 | astronut | hmm |
| 17:26.27 | astronut | i managed to modprobe the driver |
| 17:26.32 | astronut | dmesg shows hda1 |
| 17:26.34 | astronut | er, hda |
| 17:26.38 | resiak | !tell astronut -about enter |
| 17:26.39 | astronut | but still can't continue boot |
| 17:26.50 | exalted | resiak, 2.6.*-686 |
| 17:27.22 | resiak | exalted: I didn't ask whether you were using 2.4 or 2.6, I asked what _version_ you were using. |
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| 17:27.24 | DevilChaos | resiak: ? |
| 17:27.38 | resiak | DevilChaos: ?? |
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| 17:27.59 | DevilChaos | resiak: would you check this plz --->http://pastebin.ca/33971 |
| 17:28.08 | resiak | DevilChaos: Why me? |
| 17:28.10 | exalted | resiak, 2.6.12-1 |
| 17:28.23 | resiak | exalted: Okay, that's cool. Yes, should all just work. |
| 17:28.26 | resiak | DevilChaos: HTFSIK? |
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| 17:28.35 | exalted | resiak, ok i'll try, Thank you. |
| 17:28.40 | DevilChaos | resiak: uh? |
| 17:28.45 | resiak | DevilChaos: Oh, wait. ... why are you not just doing apt-get source transcode? |
| 17:28.49 | resiak | !htfsik |
| 17:28.59 | resiak | !htfsik is How The Fuck Should I Know? |
| 17:29.00 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 17:29.16 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 17:29.42 | resiak | DevilChaos: apt-get source and apt-get build-dep take package names, not file names |
| 17:29.50 | astronut | silvinho: i take it back..i did remove, not pruge, but it specifically said it was using mkinitramfs |
| 17:30.01 | astronut | rather than whatever the yaird binary is |
| 17:30.45 | sketching | thats interesting |
| 17:30.53 | sketching | how I ended up here |
| 17:31.04 | sketching | so many different names |
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| 17:31.29 | sketching | well nice to be here anyway |
| 17:31.29 | astronut | silvinho: any ideas? |
| 17:31.31 | sketching | evening all |
| 17:31.40 | astronut | let me fsck my file system since it's bitching at me.... |
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| 17:31.59 | DevilChaos | this is doing my head in |
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| 17:32.28 | DevilChaos | ive tried using acidrip |
| 17:32.36 | DevilChaos | dont think its that good |
| 17:32.40 | DevilChaos | things missing too |
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| 17:33.14 | DevilChaos | is there anything else i can use exeopt dvdrip and acidrip? |
| 17:33.30 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
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| 17:34.02 | Gnea | DevilChaos: what are you trying to do, exactly? just covert video files? |
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| 17:34.11 | sketching | could someone enlighten me as to whether this room is the main reception type room |
| 17:34.14 | DevilChaos | i want to rip dvds |
| 17:34.25 | exalted | resiak, i should copy firmware to the /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware directory; since i don't use hotplug, but udev, where should i copy that file? |
| 17:34.33 | sketching | and whether or not I am visible to you lot |
| 17:34.35 | Gnea | DevilChaos: what for? |
| 17:34.38 | resiak | exalted: Same place. |
| 17:34.45 | DevilChaos | to copy them of course |
| 17:35.04 | sketching | guess not |
| 17:35.04 | Kluster_v2 | DevilChaos, If I need to compress them I use shrinkdvd under wine |
| 17:35.05 | exalted | resiak, still under .../hotplug? |
| 17:35.10 | resiak | exalted: Yes... |
| 17:35.15 | exalted | resiak, Allright |
| 17:35.18 | DevilChaos | so i can get a friends dvd then have a copy to watch |
| 17:35.28 | resiak | \o/ warez \o/ |
| 17:35.40 | DevilChaos | Gnea? |
| 17:35.45 | sketching | DevilChaos |
| 17:35.46 | resiak | sketching: No, we can't see you. What are you here for? |
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| 17:35.55 | sketching | thank you resiak |
| 17:35.55 | Kluster_v2 | resiak, He's obviously talkin' about his home made porn, let hime be |
| 17:35.57 | Gnea | DevilChaos: and you think this is legal because...? |
| 17:36.02 | sketching | just checking |
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| 17:36.17 | DevilChaos | tis legal im not selling them |
| 17:36.21 | sketching | was hoping to find tiscali but somehow ended up here |
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| 17:36.33 | DevilChaos | tiscali sucks |
| 17:36.40 | Gnea | but you're not buying your own copy either |
| 17:36.41 | user_ | how to mount NTFS with cyrillic named folders ? |
| 17:36.54 | DevilChaos | was with them on dialup my win box was flooded with popups |
| 17:37.00 | sketching | well I must say it is interesting landing up in another site of whispers with new names |
| 17:37.17 | sketching | why would you say that DevilChaos ? |
| 17:37.24 | DevilChaos | Gnea:why do you run linux? |
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| 17:37.37 | Gnea | DevilChaos: because it doesn't crash |
| 17:37.48 | DevilChaos | and what else its free |
| 17:37.49 | Gnea | and if it does, it's once in a blue moon |
| 17:37.59 | roler | debian testing makes you use apache 2 whether you install apache or apache2... is there a way to force apache on it? |
| 17:38.07 | c459s | I just got a fresh install of debian testing. Now I want to test out x-window system and KDE. Could you guys recommend which meta-packages I should probably select? |
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| 17:38.13 | Gnea | DevilChaos: young grasshopper, one day you will learn |
| 17:38.30 | DevilChaos | yeah probably the hardway |
| 17:38.33 | dvs | c459s: x-window-system kde |
| 17:38.33 | sketching | actually no need to answer |
| 17:38.39 | c459s | dvs: thanks. |
| 17:38.41 | DevilChaos | always the bloody hard way |
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| 17:38.47 | dvs | c459s: no prob |
| 17:38.52 | user_ddd | is there a tool like the parameter "vsync=100'' like knoppix to force 100Hz refresh.rate |
| 17:38.57 | resiak | DevilChaos: Copying someone else's DVD is illegal in the UK without the explicit permission of the copyright owner |
| 17:38.58 | Hooke | hi |
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| 17:39.02 | user_ddd | ? |
| 17:39.08 | Gnea | DevilChaos: running linux isn't the same as copying purchased media. |
| 17:39.15 | resiak | DevilChaos: Indeed, copying a DVD that you _own_ is illegal in the UK without the explicit permission of the copyright owner. |
| 17:39.23 | Gnea | DevilChaos: you simply can't equate the two together, you just can't. |
| 17:39.40 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 17:39.44 | sepski | resiak, seriously ? your not allowed to take a backup for yourown even ?? |
| 17:39.56 | DevilChaos | nope |
| 17:40.10 | DevilChaos | i really dont care they cost to much |
| 17:40.12 | resiak | sepski: Nope. We have no fair use rights in the UK. Backups of computer software are explicitly allowed; backups of CDs and DVDs are not and are hence implicitly illegal. |
| 17:40.23 | Gnea | DevilChaos: then you don't need to own a copy of any of them then. |
| 17:40.28 | sketching | one last question , is the chat that goes on in this site specificly about computers or debian ? |
| 17:40.28 | resiak | sepski: As a result, most users of iRivers, etc. in this country are in breach of the law. |
| 17:40.33 | resiak | sketching: Erm, Debian. |
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| 17:40.38 | sepski | resiak, what about putting your cd collection on ipod or similar ? |
| 17:40.56 | sketching | ok seems like I am in the wrong place then |
| 17:40.57 | resiak | sketching: Hence why it's called #debian. |
| 17:40.57 | Gnea | sketching: debian |
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| 17:41.07 | sketching | have a good evening all (smile) |
| 17:41.12 | colloron | dont i need to reboot after a kernel patch? |
| 17:41.25 | resiak | sepski: Like I just said, illegal without explicit permission. Needless to say, any music I release is under a license that explicitly allows it. :-) |
| 17:41.36 | user_ddd | is there a tool like the parameter "vsync=100'' like knoppix to force 100Hz refresh.rate |
| 17:41.55 | Gnea | resiak: what kind of music do you make? :) |
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| 17:42.07 | sepski | colloron, if the patch was local to only a single module you could teoreticaly rmmod and insmod the module. but rebooting is a safe bet whenever you mess with the kernel |
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| 17:42.30 | resiak | Gnea: http://www.whoiselmoblatch.co.uk/ # new site en route; that band is mildly defunct. |
| 17:42.50 | colloron | k cool |
| 17:42.57 | sepski | resiak, you havent sold your soul to a big label yet then.. good for your soul, bad for your wallet ? :) |
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| 17:43.59 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | is there a tool force 100Hz refresh.rate in linux |
| 17:44.08 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | is there a tool to force 100Hz refresh.rate in linux |
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| 17:45.14 | ma3x | why when my mouse is idle, my wlan stops working |
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| 17:45.25 | takatumi | refresh.rate? |
| 17:45.32 | bizkit | BogKa_TaproBu|||: in Xorg/Xfree86, or on your console? |
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| 17:45.34 | Gnea | ma3x: check /proc/interrupts ? |
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| 17:46.10 | bizkit | !nickometer BogKa_TaproBu||| |
| 17:46.12 | dpkg | 'BogKa_TaproBu|||' is 99.740% lame, bizkit |
| 17:46.15 | bizkit | :P |
| 17:46.32 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | xaxaaxxa |
| 17:46.37 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | xorg |
| 17:46.41 | ma3x | Gnea, what should I check there? |
| 17:46.48 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | i use a web tool |
| 17:46.55 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | to modeline |
| 17:47.00 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | in xorg.conf |
| 17:47.01 | vickybot | bizkit: Error: "nickometer" is not a valid command. |
| 17:47.04 | ma3x | Gnea, 11: 701342 XT-PIC yenta, ehci_hcd:usb3, ndiswrapper |
| 17:47.06 | Gnea | ma3x: if they're using the same irq |
| 17:47.09 | FourierSeries | ma3x: I'd bet that your wlan device and your mouse are sharing the same interrupt |
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| 17:47.20 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | but now i'm again with 85hz |
| 17:47.30 | Gnea | !enter |
| 17:47.31 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 17:47.32 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | the parameters are correct |
| 17:47.43 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "enter" is not a valid command. |
| 17:47.46 | ma3x | FourierSeries, but that happens if I'm idle for some time |
| 17:47.54 | ma3x | FourierSeries, how do I check that? |
| 17:47.55 | Gnea | !troll vickybot |
| 17:47.58 | Kluster_v2 | who brought this bot in ? |
| 17:48.04 | Hooke | Hi!...I'm totally new to linux and I'm running debian on amd64 with a "dfi nf4 infinity" motherboard ("nForce 4"chipset, right?) and I have no sound. Could anyone tell me the easiest/quickest way to get the right drivers? thanks |
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| 17:48.12 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "troll" is not a valid command. |
| 17:48.34 | petemc | who owns the bot? |
| 17:48.36 | FourierSeries | ma3x: Good question - *I'd* have to tool around in my /etc/innterupts file a bit . |
| 17:48.38 | bizkit | vickybot: shut up and leave |
| 17:48.40 | Gnea | Hooke: use a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:48.53 | vickybot | bizkit: Error: "shut" is not a valid command. |
| 17:49.05 | ma3x | FourierSeries, 11: 712452 XT-PIC yenta, ehci_hcd:usb3, ndiswrapper |
| 17:49.18 | Gnea | !ops vickybot has returned |
| 17:49.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: vickybot has returned |
| 17:49.24 | vickybot | Gnea: Error: "ops" is not a valid command. |
| 17:49.33 | FourierSeries | ma3x: try this for the hey of it - can you get into your BIOS and set the mouse interupt # to a different number? |
| 17:49.33 | ma3x | FourierSeries, so that's IRQ11 right? the usb3 (mouse??) is there and ndiswrapper (which is loading the drivers for my wlan) |
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| 17:49.40 | ma3x | FourierSeries, and what can I do about it, can I assign a new irq to it? |
| 17:49.59 | FourierSeries | ma3x: That's what I would try assign a new interrupt. |
| 17:50.02 | Gnea | ma3x: how are irq's handled on the system? irq routing? |
| 17:50.05 | ma3x | FourierSeries, I have laptop, I don't think that's possible on laptop bios's |
| 17:50.05 | Hooke | Gnea: I think I'm using it. (debian-testing) How can I find out quickly what my kernel is? |
| 17:50.13 | Gnea | Hooke: cat /proc/version |
| 17:50.13 | ma3x | Gnea, how should I know that? |
| 17:50.20 | FourierSeries | ma3x: Ah |
| 17:50.22 | FourierSeries | . |
| 17:50.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 17:50.27 | Gnea | ma3x: paste the contents of dmesg somewhere |
| 17:50.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=supybot@*.inter.net.il] by azeem |
| 17:50.28 | BogKa_TaproBu||| | is there a tool to force 100Hz refresh.rate in X11??? |
| 17:50.30 | Gnea | !paste |
| 17:50.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:50.46 | Gnea | !beer azeem |
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| 17:51.11 | ma3x | Gnea, but there is only something from ndiswrapper |
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| 17:51.29 | ma3x | Gnea, http://pastebin.com/468028 |
| 17:51.30 | Gnea | ma3x: ok, paste the output of /proc/interrupts first then |
| 17:51.38 | roma_jipsey | is there a tool to force 100Hz refresh.rate in X11??? |
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| 17:52.05 | ma3x | Gnea, http://pastebin.com/468030 |
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| 17:52.16 | FourierSeries | ma3x: PS - the command uname -s should give you the kernel info. |
| 17:52.25 | roma_jipsey | is there a tool to force 100Hz refresh.rate in X11??? |
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| 17:52.39 | bizkit | :/ |
| 17:52.39 | Gnea | ma3x: ok, copy all of me/var/log/dmesg to pastebin |
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| 17:52.48 | Gnea | WETAWDED |
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| 17:53.00 | Gnea | !tell roma_jipsey about paste |
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| 17:53.04 | dvs | roma_jipsey: try that again |
| 17:53.16 | Gnea | !tell roma_jipsey about spam |
| 17:53.17 | tzafrir_laptop | roma_jipsey, no need to ask more than once |
| 17:53.17 | Wille88 | is it possible to add some mirrors to msttcorefonts? |
| 17:53.18 | roma_jipsey | itz not funny my eyes re suffering |
| 17:53.18 | ma3x | Gnea, the whole dmesg? |
| 17:53.30 | Gnea | ma3x: yes |
| 17:53.41 | Hooke | Gnea, I have a 2.6 kernel. I've pasted it on #flood |
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| 17:53.45 | Gnea | roma_jipsey: no excuse. |
| 17:53.47 | sketching | she smiles |
| 17:53.51 | sketching | I figured it out |
| 17:53.56 | Gnea | Hooke: i'm not in #flood, sec |
| 17:54.01 | sketching | feel like a right twit |
| 17:54.05 | roma_jipsey | itz not funny my eyes re suffering what excuse |
| 17:54.08 | roma_jipsey | i know |
| 17:54.10 | sketching | but just thought i would stop by |
| 17:54.13 | roma_jipsey | that u know |
| 17:54.16 | Gnea | Hooke: ok now i am |
| 17:54.18 | roma_jipsey | howto do it |
| 17:54.21 | sketching | to , well never mind |
| 17:54.24 | Hooke | ok |
| 17:54.25 | sketching | take care all |
| 17:54.35 | resiak | sepski: We don't really exist any more, so couldn't sell out even if we wanted to. :-) |
| 17:54.55 | tzafrir_laptop | how do I install firefox extensions on Sarge's firefox? |
| 17:55.12 | Deka | Hi! I'd like to make a menu from javascript (into a table). I'd like to use only one function to handle all the events. How can I identify the mouse clicks? |
| 17:55.14 | tzafrir_laptop | addons.mozilla.org claims my firefox is not up-to-date |
| 17:55.21 | Gnea | Hooke: try alsaconf (alsa-utils package) also check out the amd64 channel |
| 17:55.23 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 17:55.23 | ma3x | Gnea, http://pastebin.com/468035 |
| 17:55.23 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 17:55.40 | dvs | Ah.. azeem |
| 17:56.31 | black`nazi`jew | neshtasni pederasi |
| 17:56.34 | black`nazi`jew | mamka vi |
| 17:56.39 | Gnea | ma3x: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add this to your kernel line: pci=routeirq and reboot with it |
| 17:56.48 | Hooke | Gnea, I know debian-amd64, it's just that I have asked them a lot of questions already,hehe |
| 17:56.57 | Gnea | !bg |
| 17:56.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, bg is Bulgaria, or background |
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| 17:57.35 | ma3x | Gnea, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.14-2-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro |
| 17:57.37 | ma3x | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 17:57.37 | ma3x | Gnea, between those two? |
| 17:57.37 | Gnea | black`nazi`jew: what monitor do you have? |
| 17:57.48 | Gnea | ma3x: on the first line |
| 17:57.52 | sussudio | ... |
| 17:57.58 | Gnea | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.14-2-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro pci=routeirq |
| 17:58.09 | Gnea | about time |
| 17:58.13 | ma3x | Gnea, under the title and above the root (hd0,2) ? |
| 17:58.17 | bizkit | ey fs |
| 17:58.21 | Gnea | ma3x: like that ^^^ |
| 17:58.33 | FourierSeries | ma3x: on the same line ... |
| 17:58.41 | Hooke | Gnea: alsa-utils already installed |
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| 17:59.01 | Gnea | Hooke: and alsaconf doesn't find the sound? |
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| 17:59.58 | Hooke | Gnea, I'm trying again. Gnome-cd crashed |
| 18:00.07 | ma3x | FourierSeries, Gnea ok, I will reboot and then what will happen? |
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| 18:00.35 | Gnea | ma3x: and then see if wlan still malfunctions if the mouse isn't in use |
| 18:00.40 | FourierSeries | ma3x: Take it for a test drive. |
| 18:00.41 | dli | debian.org is down? |
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| 18:01.16 | Gnea | dli: nope |
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| 18:01.25 | florent | dli: work for me |
| 18:01.36 | dli | Gnea: florent thanks |
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| 18:02.18 | dli | Gnea, florent, still couldn't open http://www.debian.org |
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| 18:02.28 | Hooke | Gnea: what's the most basic way to try the sound? |
| 18:02.32 | Gnea | dli: can you ping it? |
| 18:02.47 | Gnea | Hooke: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp it should sound like static |
| 18:03.11 | dli | Gnea: host shows 192.25.206.10 |
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| 18:03.49 | dli | Gnea: ping 192.25.206.10 hangs |
| 18:04.03 | Hooke | Gnea: it works |
| 18:04.15 | Hooke | the volume is a bit low but it sounds |
| 18:04.19 | florent | dli: can you traceroute it ? |
| 18:04.20 | FourierSeries | dli: can you "hit" google or some other site? |
| 18:04.21 | Hooke | static |
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| 18:04.43 | dli | FourierSeries, I can get irc :) I think google works |
| 18:04.53 | roler | what do you guys prefer? Apache 1 or Apache 2 for security and stability? |
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| 18:05.00 | silvinho | apache |
| 18:05.02 | silvinho | +2 |
| 18:05.02 | Hooke | Gnea: very low indeed. Maybe that's why I didnt hear anything |
| 18:05.13 | FourierSeries | dli: just for the hey of it hit www.google.com in your browser, just try it. |
| 18:05.28 | dli | FourierSeries, yes, google works, but not debian.org |
| 18:05.42 | roler | just for the hey of it? Lol |
| 18:06.00 | dli | FourierSeries, ping to www.debian.org, 35 packets transmitted, 0 received |
| 18:06.05 | FourierSeries | dli: hm Ok. try hitting the exact ip number for debian website ... |
| 18:06.08 | florent | dli: could you please traceroute 192.25.206.10 ? |
| 18:06.17 | rvsjoen | any reason why installing phpmyadmin with apt tries to remove php5 and install php4 instead ? |
| 18:06.23 | dli | FourierSeries, couldn't open IP either |
| 18:06.25 | FourierSeries | dil: And do the traceroute. |
| 18:06.42 | nix | what would be the easiest way to transfer files within an ssh session, if you are ssh-ing through various hosts? e.g. from host A i ssh to B then C; what's the easiest to copy from C to A and/or vice versa? |
| 18:06.56 | roler | nix; scp |
| 18:07.00 | takatumi | nix: scp won't do? |
| 18:07.07 | dli | florent, installing traceroute now |
| 18:07.07 | roler | no zmodem here :) |
| 18:07.07 | nix | C is behind a nat |
| 18:07.17 | bizkit | resiak: good music, however the lead singer's voice is to light for my taste :) |
| 18:07.21 | nix | or, in other cases, A is behind a nat |
| 18:07.25 | bizkit | s/to/too/ |
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| 18:07.30 | nix | so scp wont do |
| 18:07.35 | bbrazil | nix: hmm, two stage scp is what I usually do |
| 18:07.36 | sifi | how can I print my the IP that my external interface have to the internet? |
| 18:07.51 | gloin | Hi all. I moved the hard drive from an old box to a newer one that's got an integrated e1000 NIC. I can "modprobe e1000" without any errors, but if I try ifconfig eth1 up, I get "No such device" errors. What step am I missing? |
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| 18:07.55 | florent | sifi: ifconfig |
| 18:07.56 | bbrazil | nix: other option is to setup a tunnel from A to C across B |
| 18:07.56 | dli | nix: run nfsd on C, since it's behind nat, it's safe |
| 18:08.01 | nix | bbrazil: exactly that is what i want to bypass, its another step. |
| 18:08.14 | sifi | florent, that's not helping when I'm behind NAT |
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| 18:08.17 | florent | gloin: and what about eth0 ? |
| 18:08.19 | rvsjoen | sifi: telnet linuks.mine.nu 65535 |
| 18:08.30 | gloin | florent: eth0 is already in use by another device |
| 18:08.41 | nix | ooh! |
| 18:08.42 | gloin | I swapped NICs while I swapped hard drives |
| 18:08.44 | gloin | =] |
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| 18:08.48 | nix | zssh is *exactly* what i need |
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| 18:08.56 | nix | zmodem over ssh |
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| 18:09.10 | bbrazil | nix: how about some tar fun? ssh a 'ssh b "tar -c ."' | tar -x |
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| 18:09.33 | bizkit | where's the fun? |
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| 18:09.40 | limpio | i'm trying to register, how do i change my nick on the fly? i thought it was /nick foo |
| 18:09.42 | bizkit | ;) |
| 18:09.47 | nix | i'd like it to even work with more complex situations, so basically using the existing ssh session is ideal |
| 18:09.50 | KerPlunk | What program do I need for abiword's spellchecker to work? |
| 18:09.58 | dli | bbrazil, for just once, tar should work |
| 18:10.00 | Hooke | Gnea: I can hear static. What's the most basic way to try if I can hear music? Gnome-cd crashes |
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| 18:10.01 | Gnea | limpio: someone already has foo |
| 18:10.05 | nix | e.g also in cases of A to B to C to D to E, then A to E and backwards |
| 18:10.08 | nix | :) |
| 18:10.13 | Gnea | Hooke: xmms |
| 18:10.21 | Gnea | Hooke: mpg123 |
| 18:10.22 | gloin | =[ |
| 18:10.26 | Gnea | Hooke: cdcd |
| 18:10.42 | limpio | Gnea, ANY name, |
| 18:10.45 | bbrazil | nix: as an aside I believe you can setup forwardin on the fly with ssh |
| 18:10.53 | Gnea | limpio: you are correct |
| 18:11.03 | veleno | hello i need an help. i need to send a fax to a fax number in New Mexico. the number starts with 505-xxx...do I need other prefix numbers? i'm sending it from europe |
| 18:11.04 | dli | nix: set up all intermediate boxes as routers, then, you can do from E to A |
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| 18:11.19 | nix | dli: the point is not to route. |
| 18:11.27 | nix | thats exactly what i want to avoid |
| 18:11.38 | bbrazil | veleno: http://www.the-acr.com/codes/cntryno.htm |
| 18:11.44 | limpio | Gnea, it doesn't work |
| 18:11.44 | dli | nix: then, using NFS sounds |
| 18:12.01 | roler | guys, I am just really stumped with php4/apache2... i installed php4 and it wont work on the apache2... what do I do to the configuration to enable it? |
| 18:12.09 | nix | dli: i can't possibly install nfs on all servers i happen to need files transfered too. it's not much data. |
| 18:12.10 | shawarma | Does anyone have any good explanations to why the time I get from date(1) and the start times in the ps(1) output are 35 minutes apart? |
| 18:12.28 | Gnea | limpio: choose a nickname that isn't taken |
| 18:12.29 | dvs | roler: What do you mean by "it won't work"? |
| 18:12.43 | roler | dvs; it let's me download my .php source without compiling/running it |
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| 18:13.03 | Andy0516 | is it possible to create an image of my debian install? |
| 18:13.11 | bbrazil | shawarma: timezones? (there are one or two 30 minute offsets) |
| 18:13.12 | dvs | roler: So you get a dialog box in your browser? |
| 18:13.17 | roler | dvs; yes |
| 18:13.39 | nekostar | wtf |
| 18:13.43 | resiak | !ops chanreg is being a tard and trying to trick people into doing weird ctcp things which look dodgy. |
| 18:13.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: chanreg is being a tard and trying to trick people into doing weird ctcp things which look dodgy. |
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| 18:13.48 | dvs | roler: Check your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file |
| 18:13.53 | KerPlunk | I want a good music player, I can organize different genres into different sections of my playlist...and edit the order of the play list with just a click... Like if I click on the "artist" column..it will auto change my artist column to be alphabetical...anyone know a player that does this? |
| 18:13.53 | shawarma | bbrazil: Shouldn't both date and ps use TZ? |
| 18:14.04 | Gnea | what the fuck |
| 18:14.13 | FourierSeries | o_O |
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| 18:14.15 | Gnea | !ops chanreg is a phisher bot |
| 18:14.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: chanreg is a phisher bot |
| 18:14.25 | roler | dvs; there is nothing in it. it's there for compatability purposes. I thikn it has something to do with /etc/apache2/mods-available and mods-enabled |
| 18:14.26 | nekostar | !ops yeah bad code |
| 18:14.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: yeah bad code |
| 18:14.30 | florent | KerPlunk: amarok ? |
| 18:14.32 | bbrazil | shawarma: I don't know to be honest, I'm in UTC at the mement, try date --utc |
| 18:14.39 | resiak | Do we really need to keep on calling !ops ? Isn't once enough? |
| 18:14.42 | Andy0516 | is it possible to create an image of my debian install??? |
| 18:15.01 | dvs | roler: There's something in mine. |
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| 18:15.22 | silvinho | Andy0516: sure, you can use dd to copy the whole disk, or parted to copy only the info |
| 18:15.24 | dli | florent, I can traceroute to 14 sl-hp1-3-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.208.86) |
| 18:15.32 | bbrazil | nekostar: any idea what that actually does? |
| 18:15.35 | Andy0516 | dd? |
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| 18:16.03 | roler | dvs; there is one line that says enter stuff here if you are trying to load legacy apache1 modules |
| 18:16.05 | nekostar | whats that bbrazil? |
| 18:16.06 | dvs | roler: You do have to link the /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.conf to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf though |
| 18:16.11 | Andy0516 | i was hoping to do it so if i mess configs up etc - i can put the image back on (no config needed). like norton ghost (that idea) |
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| 18:16.25 | bbrazil | nekostar: the chanreg thingy, what does it do? |
| 18:16.29 | nekostar | yeah |
| 18:16.32 | nekostar | let me get it |
| 18:16.35 | dvs | roler: also your php4.load file |
| 18:16.42 | nekostar | -chanreg(#debian)- to register a username to channel type /ctcp chanreg #severinul | write -c reg ctcp *:*:?:$1- | load -rs reg | clear |
| 18:16.45 | nekostar | ofirst |
| 18:16.49 | nekostar | first: |
| 18:16.55 | nekostar | you send him a mssg with ctcp |
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| 18:17.09 | foo | What program do you guys recommend to play dvd's ? |
| 18:17.12 | dli | florent, something wrong with sprintlink.net, it never routes for me |
| 18:17.14 | nekostar | write -c reg ctcp *:*:?:$1- | load -rs reg <<--- naddd |
| 18:17.17 | nekostar | *baddd |
| 18:17.21 | silvinho | Andy0516: dd is block level copy, so boot the computer you want to image into knoppix, then use dd to copy the whole drive, run it through gzip |
| 18:17.22 | bbrazil | foo: vlc or mplayer |
| 18:17.32 | nekostar | looks like its writing a value from something |
| 18:17.35 | Gnea | nekostar: AFAICT that doesn't even do anything |
| 18:17.40 | nekostar | no? |
| 18:17.41 | Andy0516 | knoppix? |
| 18:17.42 | nekostar | hum |
| 18:17.45 | nekostar | im in mirc |
| 18:17.47 | astronut | might be mirc scripting |
| 18:17.48 | Gnea | you didn't try it? lol |
| 18:17.50 | nekostar | -rs will load a script |
| 18:17.52 | Gnea | oh |
| 18:17.56 | nekostar | :P |
| 18:18.02 | astronut | hmm |
| 18:18.04 | Gnea | well yeah |
| 18:18.06 | astronut | looks like it rights that into a script |
| 18:18.08 | astronut | and loads it |
| 18:18.13 | nekostar | that middle bit looks like perl |
| 18:18.16 | astronut | maybe so any ctcp goes to him instead? |
| 18:18.17 | nekostar | or so |
| 18:18.19 | nekostar | yes |
| 18:18.21 | *** part/#debian chanreg (i=42821@193.230.222.129) |
| 18:18.22 | Gnea | either way, it doesn't belong here |
| 18:18.24 | nekostar | him / chan == him |
| 18:18.29 | nekostar | agreed Gnea |
| 18:18.40 | silvinho | Andy0516: read this http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd |
| 18:18.40 | Gnea | : channels ì #apache #lisp #postgresql |
| 18:18.42 | astronut | i'm guessing it overrides what ctcp is |
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| 18:18.52 | Gnea | oh, it's gone... hrm.... |
| 18:19.27 | nixie | man, why didnt i know that before |
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| 18:20.33 | Hooke | Gnea: xmms is extracting a song from my audio cd... cant it read them directly? |
| 18:20.34 | nekostar | hum |
| 18:20.39 | roler | oyi... |
| 18:20.42 | florent | dli: I'm unable to ping 144.228.208.86, maybe they are just down |
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| 18:20.56 | Hooke | Gnea: it's using sound juicer |
| 18:21.00 | nekostar | that looks about right.... |
| 18:21.00 | Gnea | Hooke: xmms sees cd tracks as filenames |
| 18:21.01 | Eulex | Hooke, check the cd plugin settings. |
| 18:21.02 | nekostar | you know |
| 18:21.08 | Gnea | Hooke: it's not actually extracting it |
| 18:21.09 | nekostar | i could reg another nick and try it out.. |
| 18:21.19 | Hooke | oh, ok |
| 18:21.19 | nekostar | with some other chan/nick if anyone wants to play around |
| 18:21.21 | dli | florent, it should be able to find another router :( |
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| 18:21.33 | Gnea | nekostar: try what out? |
| 18:21.45 | Hooke | Eulex how do I check them, please? |
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| 18:22.04 | nekostar | thatscript |
| 18:22.06 | nekostar | heh |
| 18:22.28 | bbrazil | nekostar: now I think I get it |
| 18:22.30 | Gnea | it's your system |
| 18:22.35 | nekostar | anyway so i was wondering.... has anyone managed to get k3b working in etch? |
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| 18:22.48 | Eulex | Hooke, click in the upper right corner and choose settings. |
| 18:22.52 | nekostar | Gnea it never takes me more than 37 minutes to recover :P |
| 18:22.56 | bbrazil | nekostar: when you ctcp him it sends something back, which is then saved as a script and run (untested) |
| 18:23.04 | nekostar | ooo |
| 18:23.09 | nekostar | nice |
| 18:23.12 | nekostar | vewwie nice |
| 18:23.27 | dli | florent, how long does it take for another router to take over? |
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| 18:24.03 | nekostar | yeah no one in the chan... i think the chan is a false lead |
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| 18:24.43 | florent | dli: I've no idea, it don't take this route for me |
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| 18:24.52 | paveq | any plans for debian to update phpmyadmin? |
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| 18:25.01 | paveq | theres version 2.7... |
| 18:25.15 | Hooke | Eulex: E/S audio plugins (in xmms) ? |
| 18:25.15 | Gnea | paveq: that's up to the package maintainer |
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| 18:25.39 | dogmeat | how do i show the device driver associated with my nic card? |
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| 18:25.50 | paveq | Gnea: does debian stable even update anything but security..? |
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| 18:25.54 | dli | florent, I can get gentoo.org gnu.org :) |
| 18:25.59 | dli | paveq, yes |
| 18:26.03 | resiak | paveq: no. |
| 18:26.09 | paveq | great |
| 18:26.22 | bbrazil | nekostar: in irssi that (the channel) is the ctcp type, so possible used to differentiate between the controller and the zombies |
| 18:26.30 | Deep6 | can anyone send me urlmon.dll from windows XP Pro? |
| 18:26.31 | sepski | paveq, security, and you can add volatile if you use that, other then that no , thats why it is 'stable' |
| 18:26.38 | dli | resiak, sorry, I read "but" as "about" |
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| 18:26.45 | goron | I get Undefined color: "white" when I start emacs. The reason being that there's no such thing as white in rgb.txt. At first I had this bug, http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/11/msg00055.html, but it now is transformed to a problem where I don't have white. |
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| 18:26.57 | FourierSeries | paveq: doun't you have to include the url to debian security in the apt-get conf file? |
| 18:26.59 | paveq | so stable has to use same phpmyadmin for loooong time :P |
| 18:27.00 | florent | Deep6: this is not the good chan |
| 18:27.01 | astronut | sepski: i thought any rc level bugs could be fixed |
| 18:27.13 | astronut | paveq: that's what backports are for |
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| 18:27.16 | goron | I already tried the color "snow" in my .Xresources(which is in rgb.txt), but that didn't help. |
| 18:27.20 | dli | goron, I found a n00b way to fix all possible emacs troubles, use xemacs |
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| 18:27.35 | takatumi | bah |
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| 18:27.40 | Deep6 | florent, I recognize that |
| 18:27.43 | florent | dli: s/xemacs/vim/ |
| 18:27.53 | Eulex | Hooke, I dunno what its name is in english. look for [libcdaudio.so] |
| 18:28.04 | takatumi | Deep6: then respect it too. |
| 18:28.11 | dli | florent, that doesn't fix any emacs issue |
| 18:28.11 | sepski | astronut, if there was known rc critical bugs... it woudnt be released yet would it ? but i dont know what happen to rc bugs discovered after release. most often i'd belive they also was a security issue |
| 18:28.19 | Deep6 | but I'm kinda desparate, I'm on debian of course...but my xp has suffered a problem |
| 18:28.27 | petemc | Deep6: there are plenty of sites that offer dlls for download |
| 18:28.35 | goron | dli: I don't think that will help, since the problem is not emacs related. |
| 18:28.35 | Deep6 | takatumi, be respectful |
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| 18:28.41 | sifi | is there some man pages for learning debian? |
| 18:28.45 | Deep6 | petemc, even a core windows dll? |
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| 18:29.05 | dli | sifi: go to www.debian.org, follow documentations |
| 18:29.12 | Hooke | Eulex, yes, I have libcdaudio.so as audio CD plugin (btw, my system is not in English either. what's your language?) |
| 18:29.17 | takatumi | sifi: debian-reference |
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| 18:29.22 | florent | Deep6: http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?urlmon 2nd link on google |
| 18:29.29 | FourierSeries | Deep6: Is it in a recent service pack? you could get it from there. |
| 18:29.37 | Andy0516 | is there not a better way to backup that DD with knopix :S |
| 18:29.39 | petemc | Deep6: that i dont know, be easy to check tho |
| 18:29.41 | goron | Could anybody running xorg do $EDITOR /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt? |
| 18:29.53 | bbrazil | Andy0516: partimage usn't bad |
| 18:29.59 | sifi | I heard somethinig like man linux1 linux2 etc before |
| 18:30.08 | dli | florent, windows still asks for installation CD? instead of downloading |
| 18:30.25 | Eulex | Hooke, swedish. select the libcdaudio.so entry in the config and press the configure button. there's an option for analog audio vs digital audio extraction |
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| 18:30.30 | Andy0516 | thanks :) |
| 18:30.36 | takatumi | goron: what about it? |
| 18:30.51 | goron | takatumi: I want to know whether it defines "white". |
| 18:31.11 | roler | so I am trying desperately to install php5 on apache2... I installed all the necessary packages, or so I think. When I visit my website, all I get is a prompt to download my .php sources. not actually render and let me see them in the browser!!! What can be wrong??? the correct files are in the mods-enabled directory too |
| 18:31.13 | astronut | sepski: i think discovered after release |
| 18:31.19 | astronut | ie, there's some driver package completly broken |
| 18:31.22 | astronut | in sarge |
| 18:31.27 | astronut | ac100 |
| 18:31.27 | Hooke | Eulex: right, I see it, now what |
| 18:31.30 | Andy0516 | bbrazil: the only thing is - it wont load without linux on the system? |
| 18:31.45 | resiak | Andy0516: Erm, what's wrong with tar? |
| 18:32.07 | Eulex | Hooke, change it to analog. |
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| 18:32.23 | Andy0516 | resiak: imagine my system goes down and i want to start a fresh.... i want something i can run from CD and restore the data (for speed) |
| 18:32.31 | Andy0516 | but don't fancy messing with knoppix etc |
| 18:32.34 | petemc | mondo |
| 18:32.49 | Hooke | Eulex: done. and now? |
| 18:32.55 | Andy0516 | like norton ghost for windows!!!!! |
| 18:32.58 | goron | Now it can't find grey75. |
| 18:33.00 | resiak | Andy0516: You run a livecd and untar |
| 18:33.02 | goron | Undefined color: "grey75" |
| 18:33.04 | silvinho | Andy0516: knopix is about as easy as it gets |
| 18:33.12 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.17 | astronut | (even though it's gentoo based) |
| 18:33.37 | Andy0516 | so how do i back everything up then? |
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| 18:33.51 | Eulex | Hooke, <Hooke> xmms is extracting a song from my audio cd... cant it read them directly? |
| 18:33.55 | nekostar | astronut cant you just back up root folder after a good burn? |
| 18:34.09 | Eulex | Hooke, if I didn't misunderstand you, that option changed it to read it 'directly' |
| 18:34.14 | astronut | nekostar: hmm? |
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| 18:34.17 | nekostar | and do like u said and untar it |
| 18:34.27 | nekostar | tar root folder into a tar or split tar |
| 18:34.28 | takatumi | goron: 255 255 255 white, 191 191 191 grey75 |
| 18:34.33 | astronut | nekostar: sure... |
| 18:34.39 | astronut | if you want norton ghost, use dd |
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| 18:34.48 | teknoprep | hi all |
| 18:34.50 | nekostar | burn that ... toss in live cd then untar and mount |
| 18:34.51 | Andy0516 | how do i use DD then? |
| 18:34.52 | nekostar | dd? |
| 18:34.55 | nekostar | (omry|work): |
| 18:34.59 | nekostar | er wtf |
| 18:35.01 | nekostar | (omry|work): |
| 18:35.04 | resiak | Andy0516: man dd |
| 18:35.07 | nekostar | arg sorry omry thats fuxxored |
| 18:35.11 | Andy0516 | :( ok |
| 18:35.20 | resiak | Andy0516: but dd is _not_ a good solution for backups. tar or rsync are better ideas |
| 18:35.37 | Andy0516 | how do i tar then? |
| 18:35.39 | nekostar | can't you tar with redundanct too? |
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| 18:35.46 | nekostar | *redundancy? |
| 18:35.46 | silvinho | resiak: yeah but he wanted an image |
| 18:35.56 | mentor | Well, it's gone |
| 18:36.07 | Andy0516 | yeh i want an image! :P |
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| 18:36.24 | resiak | Why does he want an image? |
| 18:36.35 | silvinho | andy : dd does a block level copy, so if you dd the whole drive you copy the mbr, all the parititions and all your data |
| 18:36.50 | silvinho | resiak: for when the feds show up and take his box |
| 18:36.55 | Andy0516 | ok so i want dd :) |
| 18:36.58 | roler | can anyone help me with apache2/php5? Why in the world when the files are appropriately linked in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled that php5 would not render a page?!?! |
| 18:36.59 | madradrone | Andy0516: you can use knoppix to mount your filesystem, then use rsync to mirror it to another system |
| 18:36.59 | astronut | Andy0516: lol |
| 18:37.00 | astronut | why? |
| 18:37.05 | astronut | Andy0516: you'd still need to dd it back |
| 18:37.11 | astronut | Andy0516: just get DSL to use tar |
| 18:37.17 | astronut | norton ghost runs ontop of dos |
| 18:37.20 | astronut | get a floppy disk linux |
| 18:37.58 | silvinho | i hate tar backups |
| 18:37.59 | teknoprep | madradrone would scp end up doing the same thing as rsync |
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| 18:38.19 | madradrone | teknoprep: yes |
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| 18:38.30 | teknoprep | madradrone just making sure i thoough so.. i prefer scp |
| 18:38.47 | dli | silvinho, try rsync |
| 18:38.54 | Andy0516 | im going with DD just need to know how to do it!! |
| 18:39.00 | madradrone | teknoprep: you could also use netcat with compression, which might be the fastest of all since it doesn't encrypt |
| 18:39.02 | silvinho | dli: i do a base dd and then incremental lvm snapshots |
| 18:39.11 | Hooke | Eulex, I still cant hear anything |
| 18:39.15 | goron | Andy0516: hi!!!! how!!! are you !!! doing!!!? |
| 18:39.23 | silvinho | astronut: lvm makes your life about 800%$ better |
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| 18:39.27 | Andy0516 | goron? |
| 18:39.27 | astronut | silvinho: so i heard |
| 18:39.30 | madradrone | teknoprep: though its a little tricker the get it to work, and the time savings isn't probably worth it for a one-off sync job |
| 18:39.44 | teknoprep | madradrone i just use scp for everything.. all my clustered servers ... backing up configs to windows box's that are backed up to veritas back up exec |
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| 18:39.55 | Eulex | Hooke, well. does sound work at all on that machine? do you use alsa or oss? |
| 18:39.57 | astronut | i just do manual backups every so often |
| 18:40.03 | astronut | tar up my ~ and burn to dvd |
| 18:40.04 | silvinho | astronut: yeah all my machines are a root partition and everything else in lvm, can move tmp var usr home swap around no prob |
| 18:40.14 | teknoprep | everything is automated here.. has to be with over 100 servers |
| 18:40.20 | astronut | heh |
| 18:40.20 | astronut | ya |
| 18:40.22 | teknoprep | thats just the dmz |
| 18:40.23 | madradrone | teknoprep: rsync is better because it can keep things in sync and has far more options on how to sync. scp tends to just overwrite stuff on the destination |
| 18:40.26 | goron | Andy0516: try to find the character that has many occurences. Match that with your sentences. |
| 18:40.26 | teknoprep | i don't work on the lan |
| 18:40.36 | astronut | i am thinking, i have a 120 gig drive i just freed up (copied over to a new 200 gig) |
| 18:40.39 | teknoprep | madradrone understood |
| 18:40.41 | astronut | i might automate a backup there |
| 18:40.53 | teknoprep | madradrone for config files tho i prefer scp |
| 18:40.54 | astronut | of course, won't help for fire or w/e |
| 18:40.56 | Andy0516 | i see? |
| 18:40.56 | silvinho | i prefer rdiff-backup to rsync shame it's no longer developed |
| 18:40.59 | madradrone | teknoprep: google for "rsync examples" and see some of the uses for it |
| 18:41.01 | astronut | but i could burn perioidically |
| 18:41.08 | teknoprep | madradrone already there |
| 18:41.17 | astronut | this ist aking forever (fscking that 200 gig drive)_ |
| 18:41.23 | teknoprep | madradrone i have used rsync it just didn't appeal to me since it was still a scripted copy |
| 18:41.26 | nekostar | o: |
| 18:41.28 | nekostar | there we go |
| 18:41.32 | nekostar | dam autocomplete |
| 18:41.52 | Hooke | Eulex, in linux I only could hear static sound, by typing cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp. Not music yet. I use alsa. |
| 18:41.57 | teknoprep | madradrone hmm.. i wonder if you could right a log parser that parses when a file is uploaded or changed on a linux box and then have it rsync to other servers? |
| 18:42.02 | teknoprep | madradrone just the changes |
| 18:42.03 | madradrone | teknoprep: you can use it like a drop-in replacement for scp, or create elaborate backup systems around it with custom scripts |
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| 18:42.39 | teknoprep | madradrone i was thinking more along the lines of simulation windows DFS on linux |
| 18:42.41 | madradrone | teknoprep: rsync transmits only the diff-ed files |
| 18:42.56 | nekostar | hum |
| 18:43.01 | teknoprep | madradrone always the newer file? or is it an option/ |
| 18:43.05 | madradrone | teknoprep: for that reason it is very network efficient. |
| 18:43.06 | Eulex | Hooke, cd audio and normal audio are completely different. before you try to make one of them work, try normal audio. run mpg123 /path/to/mp3.mp3 |
| 18:43.08 | nekostar | actually backing up to another drive sounds like fun... |
| 18:43.19 | nekostar | could mess around with different distro's much easier that way lol |
| 18:43.35 | silvinho | rdiff-backup > rsync =P |
| 18:43.37 | madradrone | teknoprep: read the man page for all the options. there are many |
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| 18:43.53 | nekostar | though one would have to update grub every time neh? |
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| 18:44.54 | madradrone | teknoprep: there is also the newer zsync which supposedly can handle compressed files as well... |
| 18:45.01 | astronut | finally, pass 1 finished |
| 18:45.04 | astronut | only took 30 minutes |
| 18:45.06 | astronut | now pass 2 |
| 18:45.21 | madradrone | teknoprep: rsync doens't transmit partials for compressed files... |
| 18:45.27 | nekostar | o.O |
| 18:45.45 | Hooke | Eulex, /path/to/mp3.mp3: No such file or directory |
| 18:45.48 | nekostar | madradrone got something like rsync for windows pushing files to linux>? |
| 18:45.50 | teknoprep | madradrone wat about active replication.. so that if a file is just put on the system.. rsync would kick in a replicate it instantly |
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| 18:45.56 | teknoprep | madradrone any idea on doing that? |
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| 18:46.11 | FourierSeries | astronut: what caused the fsck~ stuffs? or was it just "time?" |
| 18:46.21 | goron | Hmm, it seems that the solution given in the bugreport did help. |
| 18:46.34 | madradrone | teknoprep: no. |
| 18:46.35 | Eulex | Hooke, I was implying that you would supply a path to one of your mp3s. |
| 18:46.38 | teknoprep | madradrone say a samba share... a windows user adds a new file.. the linux box rsync's it to all predetermined linux boxes that are backup share |
| 18:46.38 | goron | takatumi: it wasn't necessary in hindsight, but thanks. |
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| 18:46.53 | teknoprep | madradrone hmm.. know of anything that will do that... ? |
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| 18:47.00 | astronut | FourierSeries: time |
| 18:47.02 | astronut | my clock was realy off |
| 18:47.04 | astronut | err |
| 18:47.05 | madradrone | teknoprep: why? what is the purpose? |
| 18:47.07 | astronut | a time error |
| 18:47.11 | astronut | last write time in future ;-) |
| 18:47.19 | FourierSeries | astronut: Ouch. heh. |
| 18:47.28 | silvinho | teknoprep: just rsync the samba share in a cron job every 10 minutes or whatever you want, it will only update the new file |
| 18:47.28 | Hooke | Eulex, ohh, okk |
| 18:47.30 | nekostar | hum |
| 18:47.33 | madradrone | teknoprep: isn't that the purpose of having remote filesystems? |
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| 18:48.09 | sepski | teknoprep, you could network mirror the underlying filesystem that samba shares out, either with a distributed filesystem, or ith normal linux software raid over nbd (network block device) |
| 18:48.41 | madradrone | there is also drbd the distributed block device |
| 18:48.45 | teknoprep | madradrone active replication in case i have to reboot or a server goes down i have DFS links setup in Active Directory that point to... \\server01\share and \\server02\share... repliecation with rsync between the 2... also \\server01 is on vlan 1 and \\server02 is vlan 2... this reduces network traffic between vlans when both servers are up.. but if say \\server01 goes down \\server02 is still accessible with the info that was put |
| 18:48.55 | sepski | rsyncing the whole do tax your system quite a bit,since it needs to read both sides in order to determine the difference |
| 18:49.07 | teknoprep | sepski what is a good network raid software ? |
| 18:49.12 | teknoprep | sepski in your opinion |
| 18:49.20 | madradrone | teknoprep: check out drbd for that. it works nicely. i use it |
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| 18:49.50 | teknoprep | madradrone yeah i have... i didn't like it... i found that errors could come quickly when using DFS links and having 2 seperate primary shares |
| 18:50.03 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.05 | madradrone | teknoprep: drbd with heartbeat to handle resource takeover between the two systems... |
| 18:50.14 | teknoprep | madradrone if 2 ppl had the same file open on different servers it really skrewed stuff up with no notification of update to the user |
| 18:50.37 | teknoprep | madradrone that still limits it to one operating file server not 2 |
| 18:50.38 | madradrone | teknoprep: i don't know what a DFS link is |
| 18:50.55 | teknoprep | madradrone read man.. this is a windows world as of now |
| 18:51.01 | teknoprep | madradrone lol |
| 18:51.02 | silvinho | madradrone: would drbd be useful for creating a failover webserver that always had a copy of whatever was on the primary ? |
| 18:51.16 | madradrone | teknoprep: but basically, you should be using samba or some other network file system that supports file locking on top of drbd |
| 18:51.20 | teknoprep | silverwolf yes |
| 18:51.22 | nekostar | oo oo!!!! can i use an ipod shuffle as a boot device???? |
| 18:51.26 | FourierSeries | madradrone: be thankfull. |
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| 18:51.52 | madradrone | silvinho: yes, that's exactly how i use it |
| 18:51.53 | silverwolf | teknoprep, :)? |
| 18:51.55 | sifi | silverwolf, then you should use RAID |
| 18:51.57 | teknoprep | madradrone samba supports file locking only on the current server its running on and not a foreign server |
| 18:52.13 | silverwolf | sifi, ? |
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| 18:52.21 | sifi | silvinho, then you should use RAID |
| 18:52.21 | teknoprep | madradrone hence file corruption if same file edited at same time on 2 different servers being replicated between eachother |
| 18:52.23 | madradrone | silvinho: with heartbeat to handle the resource takeover of the webserver IP address and the drbd disk when the primary fails |
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| 18:52.36 | sifi | silverwolf, wrong person, sorry |
| 18:52.44 | silverwolf | :) |
| 18:52.53 | teknoprep | madradrone i think i will stick with virtual SAN in Vmware ESX with virtual servers throughout the vlans |
| 18:52.58 | teknoprep | it has been working well |
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| 18:53.04 | madradrone | teknoprep: run samba on the drbd box(es). what is the problem? |
| 18:53.08 | silvinho | sifi: raid over ip ? |
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| 18:53.23 | teknoprep | madradrone you are not listening |
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| 18:53.50 | teknoprep | madradrone dfs allows for shortest path to file server to be accessed based on a similar protocol like OSPF for finding distance and access time |
| 18:53.52 | teknoprep | to a file server |
| 18:53.59 | madradrone | teknoprep: i don't understand what your requirements are to not be able to use a solution like that |
| 18:54.02 | sifi | silvinho, no, locally of course |
| 18:54.02 | Hooke | brb, I have to reboot |
| 18:54.05 | teknoprep | madradrone so if i have say 5 file servers... |
| 18:54.11 | silvinho | sifi: ah yeah of course |
| 18:54.21 | sandman | I cannot get apt-listchanges to function proper, it appears. |
| 18:54.29 | teknoprep | madradrone each file server can be accessed at any given time and files on them can be edited at any given time.. but they all replicate between them |
| 18:54.31 | sandman | It's installed, configured. But no changes are ever listed |
| 18:54.31 | FourierSeries | apache2 + php5? maybe ... wait one ... |
| 18:54.41 | madradrone | teknoprep: why do that? |
| 18:54.44 | teknoprep | madradrone drdb and samba by itself will not handle this |
| 18:54.48 | silvinho | roler: i have apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:55.16 | madradrone | teknoprep: why not have drbd running on a raid array or something? i don't know what you're trying to acheive with the multiple servers really? |
| 18:55.21 | teknoprep | madradrone say i have busineess 1 in location NYC and business 2 in LA... they replicate to eachother .. i don't want a samba share in NYC being accessed in LA |
| 18:55.24 | EdibleText | teknoprep, consider unison; choose one file server to be the 'hub' to which all other fileserver sync with |
| 18:55.33 | FourierSeries | Oh well - php 4.4.1 |
| 18:55.33 | madradrone | teknoprep: ok |
| 18:55.48 | teknoprep | madradrone but if fileserver in LA goes down ppl can still access NYC seemlessly |
| 18:55.55 | teknoprep | madradrone as if nothing went down |
| 18:55.57 | sifi | silvinho, mirrorraid 2 drives so they get syncronized, if the primary crash the sedondary jumps in |
| 18:56.06 | madradrone | teknoprep: but the traffic you generate from all the syncing will at least be = to what you would have had from access the LA smb share from NY anyhow?? |
| 18:56.09 | teknoprep | madradrone but you don't want this unless has to for bandwidth consumption of course |
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| 18:56.18 | EdibleText | teknoprep, with a bit of latancy (depending onthe pipe, of course) |
| 18:56.24 | FourierSeries | roller: what is the problem again? you just get a request to save a file instead of the real content? |
| 18:56.27 | teknoprep | EdibleText of course |
| 18:56.41 | silvinho | sifi: yeah of cours raid locally, i want site to site failover all well |
| 18:57.04 | teknoprep | 10 -> 1 file in LA then LA -> updates NYC or 10 ppl -> 1 file in NYC |
| 18:57.13 | teknoprep | you tell me the difference? |
| 18:57.23 | roler | FourierSeries, ; yes! |
| 18:57.40 | sifi | silvinho, invest in a real server with raid inbuilt |
| 18:57.43 | teknoprep | 10 clients accessing the LA server is much faster then 10 accesssing the NYC server |
| 18:58.02 | c459s | hmm, I just installed a fresh debian system and I installed the x-windows-system package. Now I tried to install the kde package, but I get the message that it can not be installed because "kde-amusements" is not to be installed, and "kde-addons" cant be installed because the package is not available. I have updated all sources for apt-get so I am not quite sure how to fix this. Any ideas? |
| 18:58.07 | silvinho | lol i have built in raid on my servers sifi |
| 18:58.11 | EdibleText | teknoprep, but you want the LA server and NY server to have the same data and not drift apart |
| 18:58.14 | teknoprep | madradrone i have this working with Windows DFS as of now.. they are just moving to a 100% unix/linux environment |
| 18:58.15 | FourierSeries | roler: I'll gie it a shot ... I had a similar problem when I installed php 4.4.1 for a web based ftp server. |
| 18:58.17 | sifi | silvinho, ah =)= |
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| 18:58.37 | madradrone | teknoprep: what about any of the other network filesystems supported by the linux kernel? |
| 18:58.41 | teknoprep | as of now |
| 18:58.46 | erluco | spanish?? |
| 18:58.46 | FourierSeries | roler: first off, is there any errors in your apache error log? |
| 18:58.50 | teknoprep | we are probably going to doit with vmware |
| 18:58.53 | takatumi | c459s: sarge? |
| 18:58.57 | teknoprep | and netapps |
| 18:59.02 | teknoprep | with iscsi |
| 18:59.04 | roler | FourierSeries, ; the website is www.corecoding.com, however! this is still resolving to the old server. my new server IP is 209.11.245.74 so if you put that in /etc/hosts, you can see my problem |
| 18:59.06 | c459s | takatumi: no, this is debian testing - etchi I beleive it is named. |
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| 18:59.14 | Hooke | hi |
| 18:59.15 | sifi | silvinho, nice, I miss my old Sun Enterprise E250 |
| 18:59.17 | silvinho | madradrone: there are quite a few, gfs, coda, lustre |
| 18:59.22 | FourierSeries | roler - i'll try it .. wait one ... |
| 18:59.38 | takatumi | c459s: etch named after etch-a-sketch from toy story |
| 18:59.46 | c459s | takatumi: ok ;) |
| 18:59.51 | madradrone | silvinho: none of them support this kind of thing? |
| 18:59.55 | teknoprep | netapp with iscsi and vmware ESX servers running debian .. there is a tool in esx that can make this seemless |
| 18:59.59 | takatumi | c459s: check the bts? |
| 19:00.04 | c459s | takatumi: what is bts? |
| 19:00.05 | FourierSeries | roler: used the 209 ... address. got a blank page ... Ok. Any errors in your log? |
| 19:00.12 | teknoprep | well Virtual Center not ESX but same difference |
| 19:00.14 | takatumi | c459s: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:00.16 | roler | checking |
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| 19:00.39 | teknoprep | so either we can use ISCSI or we can use Virtual Center tools |
| 19:00.42 | teknoprep | we haven't decided |
| 19:00.43 | silvinho | madradrone: i've just starte dlooking into them, i don't know |
| 19:00.54 | roler | FourierSeries, ; SIGTERM |
| 19:00.54 | teknoprep | i was looking into if someone made a linux program that is similar to DFS from M$ |
| 19:01.06 | teknoprep | it would be an easy transistion with what we already have |
| 19:01.07 | FourierSeries | roler: Ah. That's bad ... Ok. |
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| 19:01.18 | silvinho | teknoprep there are 5-6 distributed file systems out there, look on wikipedia |
| 19:01.22 | roler | FourierSeries, ; then it reloads... |
| 19:01.43 | EdibleText | or in menuconfig ;) |
| 19:01.48 | FourierSeries | roler: Ok .. lemmie vgrep my http.conf file .. wait one ... |
| 19:02.24 | Gumby | does anyone know how to make sure lvm init script is started BEFORE the fsck takes place @ boot time? fsck is starting before lvm has started and causes the "fsck failed. Please replair manually" "CONTROL-D will exit.. blah blah... root passwd for maintenance" message. |
| 19:02.36 | roler | FourierSeries, ; wait I don't think it's sigterming right now |
| 19:02.42 | roler | FourierSeries, ; did you get a prompt to download the .php? |
| 19:03.01 | madradrone | teknoprep: CIFS |
| 19:03.07 | dli | Gumby, remake rc links |
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| 19:03.14 | FourierSeries | roler: lemmie hot the site again on moe ... |
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| 19:03.18 | EdibleText | !unison |
| 19:03.19 | dpkg | it has been said that unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 19:03.19 | madradrone | "The intent of the cifs module is to provide an advanced │ |
| 19:03.19 | madradrone | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.27 | Gumby | dli: I did. It didnt seem to make a difference |
| 19:03.28 | phogg | What package is man in? dlocate is being... unhelpful. |
| 19:03.31 | astronut | about time |
| 19:03.35 | FourierSeries | roler: "TESTIGN!" |
| 19:03.36 | astronut | finally got my filesystems clean |
| 19:03.42 | Eulex | phogg, try apt-file. |
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| 19:04.02 | FourierSeries | roler: quite a bit of content there ... ;0) |
| 19:04.12 | dli | Gumby, find both links, find your default runlevel |
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| 19:04.21 | FourierSeries | roler: no prompt to dl anything. |
| 19:04.23 | phogg | Eulex: will do, thanks |
| 19:04.23 | teknoprep | wow ZFS is crazy |
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| 19:04.50 | astronut | finally |
| 19:04.52 | astronut | everything better |
| 19:04.56 | madradrone | teknoprep: also CODA: "support for... read/write server replication..." |
| 19:05.02 | Eulex | phogg, also ls -al /usr/bin/man and search for the file it links to |
| 19:05.03 | c459s | Takatumi: check this out - http://packages.debian.org/testing/kde/kde - it says there that the kdeaddons package is not available. |
| 19:05.04 | FourierSeries | roler: I'm still using the "209..." address to hit the site directly |
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| 19:05.23 | takatumi | c459s: probably on the way |
| 19:05.25 | Hooke | Eulex, sorry, I had some problems and had to restart session. could you type again how to play mp3? |
| 19:05.34 | Gumby | dli: default runlevel is 2. /etc/init.d/S20lvm points to /etc/init.d/lvm |
| 19:05.42 | Eulex | Hooke, mpg123 filename |
| 19:05.43 | phogg | Eulex: aha, man-db. Thanks |
| 19:05.43 | c459s | Takatumi: so do you have any idea about how I can work around this for the moment? |
| 19:05.44 | madradrone | also AFS and Plan 9... |
| 19:05.50 | Gumby | sorry` /etc/rc2.d/S20lvm |
| 19:06.00 | c459s | Takatumi: would it be safe to force install? |
| 19:06.16 | takatumi | c459s: probably wait or try apt-get -b |
| 19:06.17 | astronut | 2 hour reboot...ouch |
| 19:06.17 | sepski | madradrone, openafs is in debian a sane choise |
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| 19:06.37 | FourierSeries | astronut: That'll teach ya! |
| 19:06.42 | roler | FourierSeries, ; oh it's not setup virtual host wise to support the ip |
| 19:06.48 | Eulex | phogg, you can use neither dlocate nor apt-file to search for files that are created by the postinst scripts. and that's the case for /usr/bin/man |
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| 19:06.59 | astronut | FourierSeries: kernel issue, took a bit |
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| 19:06.59 | roler | FourierSeries, ; ya, i just tried changing it to testing |
| 19:07.01 | astronut | then fsck issue |
| 19:07.04 | astronut | and mosue |
| 19:07.07 | astronut | which fixed itself |
| 19:07.28 | astronut | still seems a tad slow |
| 19:07.47 | Eulex | Hooke, you may have to install it, though |
| 19:07.51 | FourierSeries | roler: Ok so I'll need to hit the actual www... adress. I'll tweak the host file .. what is the link again? |
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| 19:07.55 | c459s | takatumi: ok :/ |
| 19:08.01 | c459s | takatumi: thanks for your help. |
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| 19:08.07 | phogg | Eulex: yeah, I know. I even looked at man-db but didn't notice the man-db/man program. |
| 19:08.17 | roler | FourierSeries, ; hmm... I think it may actually be working now |
| 19:08.23 | roler | FourierSeries, ; actual address is www.corecoding.com |
| 19:08.23 | learnfromscratch | what exactly are these ips for ?? can i use them in my /etc/resolv.conf 4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2 |
| 19:08.24 | takatumi | c459s: /msg dpkg why is kdeaddons not in testing |
| 19:09.25 | EdibleText | !host 4.2.2.2 |
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| 19:09.28 | demonjester | learnfromscratch : they are verizon dns nameserver IP's and yes you can use them. |
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| 19:09.38 | c459s | takatumi: ok. |
| 19:09.41 | roler | FourierSeries, ; now this is weird. it appears to only be doing it on the domain, not the ip |
| 19:09.49 | FourierSeries | roler: without changing me host file I do hit a site " core coding" etc. |
| 19:10.03 | Tortel | is there a force umount command? |
| 19:10.09 | silvinho | umount -f |
| 19:10.24 | takatumi | Tortel: -l usually will suffice. |
| 19:10.53 | Tortel | yay, thank you |
| 19:11.52 | roler | FourierSeries, ; right, thats the old server |
| 19:12.04 | teknoprep | Tortel why did you have to force it? |
| 19:12.05 | roler | FourierSeries, ; i got a new srever. until I make the dns change I wanted to make sure its a clean transfer |
| 19:12.23 | Tortel | cause umount said that the device was busy, but I turned it off... |
| 19:12.27 | teknoprep | Tortel where you in the directory that you had it mounted to when you typed umount? |
| 19:12.38 | takatumi | Tortel: always check with fuser lsof etc. |
| 19:12.39 | Tortel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.44 | teknoprep | Tortel you can't be in the directory |
| 19:12.46 | Hooke | Eulex, I can hear the mp3, but very low volume. what could be the reason? |
| 19:12.50 | Tortel | I wasnt... |
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| 19:12.56 | teknoprep | Tortel ok |
| 19:13.01 | FourierSeries | roler: OK have the hosts file tweaked. Now I just get "hey" |
| 19:13.08 | teknoprep | Hooke are you in KDE ? |
| 19:13.16 | EdibleText | Hooke, PCM mixer settings may be low |
| 19:13.20 | roler | FourierSeries, hmm |
| 19:13.21 | Tortel | And besides, the camera was off/unplugged... |
| 19:13.21 | FourierSeries | roler: while using the www.core... address. |
| 19:13.32 | FourierSeries | roler: now check the logs. |
| 19:13.33 | KerPlunk | Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050925 Firefox/1.0.4 (Debian package 1.0.4-2sarge5) |
| 19:13.35 | roler | FourierSeries, ; wtf! |
| 19:13.36 | Hooke | teknoprep, no, I'm in Gnome. why? |
| 19:13.44 | KerPlunk | That is my user-agent for sarge...but it is wrong. |
| 19:13.44 | roler | FourierSeries, ; I don't. I get a prompt to download the code. and I can too |
| 19:13.52 | teknoprep | Hooke use alsamixer as root from console |
| 19:13.54 | KerPlunk | I have the latest firefox...does anyone else have user-agent that looks like that using firefox? |
| 19:13.55 | EdibleText | Hooke, you might use alsamixer or aumix depending.. |
| 19:14.05 | FourierSeries | roler: Is it supposed to just say "hey?" |
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| 19:14.10 | teknoprep | Hooke if you don't have alsamixer do.. apt-get install alsautils |
| 19:14.25 | takatumi | s/au/a-u |
| 19:14.28 | Hooke | teknoprep, I've got alsautils |
| 19:14.38 | teknoprep | Hooke then do this.. alsamixer |
| 19:14.46 | roler | FourierSeries, ; for right now yes. hey is done with php. the database is down so I can't show the full site. FourierSeries it must be my browser cache! SOB! |
| 19:14.47 | teknoprep | Hooke and set your volumes highers |
| 19:14.48 | milestone | anyone knows a good dvd9->dvd5 1:1 ripper? |
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| 19:15.04 | FourierSeries | roler: clear your browser cache, close the browser & try again. |
| 19:15.19 | roler | FourierSeries, ; sigh... |
| 19:15.29 | FourierSeries | roler: in my case it was the browser cache - wrt my ftp website... |
| 19:15.38 | Hooke | teknoprep, so I type "alsamixer" from console after typing "su"? |
| 19:15.39 | FourierSeries | roler: Fun eh? |
| 19:15.51 | teknoprep | Hooke su - |
| 19:15.56 | teknoprep | Hooke alsamixer |
| 19:16.00 | roler | FourierSeries, ; .... thanks. :) |
| 19:16.03 | roler | FourierSeries, ; ya it's fun allright |
| 19:16.08 | FourierSeries | roler: Welcome. |
| 19:16.10 | teknoprep | Hooke you should get sudo and learn to use it.. much faster |
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| 19:16.30 | FourierSeries | brb ... de tweaking me hosts file ... |
| 19:16.48 | EdibleText | you shouldnt need root for alsamixer |
| 19:17.11 | ohad | i forgot my passwd for irc. :/ how do i recover it? |
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| 19:17.56 | takatumi | ohad: ask #freenode? |
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| 19:18.24 | Hooke | teknoprep, I think I have sudo, but havent tried it |
| 19:18.27 | c459s | I got one port open on my debian computer, but I dont know which program has opened that port. How can I find that out? |
| 19:18.29 | SimonRaven | ohad: #freenode, look for a staffer, /topic |
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| 19:18.47 | Hooke | ok, now I'm in alsamixer, I see volume settings. which one matters? |
| 19:18.49 | FourierSeries | c459s: tryed netstat? |
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| 19:18.56 | silvinho | c459s: losf or netstat |
| 19:19.03 | takatumi | Hooke: check if it's muted. |
| 19:19.07 | c459s | fourierseries & silvinho: thanks, I'll check it out. |
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| 19:19.22 | Hooke | takatumi, how do I know? |
| 19:19.31 | ohad | SimonRaven, how do i find a staffer? |
| 19:19.43 | SimonRaven | Hooke: you'll see MM at the bottom of some of them |
| 19:19.45 | EdibleText | Hooke, the first two . play with them till they sound right (going left -> right) |
| 19:19.54 | SimonRaven | ohad: /topic in #freenode |
| 19:19.55 | takatumi | Hooke: you'll see an "MM", hit 'm' a few times |
| 19:20.18 | Elly | hey guys |
| 19:20.22 | Elly | how do you install eclipse? |
| 19:20.30 | SimonRaven | apt-get |
| 19:20.36 | Hooke | ok |
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| 19:20.47 | Elly | I installed it properly but now when it starts up, it says that a suitable jvm cannot be found |
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| 19:21.10 | SimonRaven | you need a jvm, i think you can use kaffe (a free one) |
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| 19:21.35 | ohad | SimonRaven, couldn't find a staffer in the topic. is that marc? |
| 19:21.36 | a1fa | guys.. i am running unstable with kernel2.6.14-2-k7.. with the newest kernel update, fsck is forced to run on everyboot |
| 19:21.38 | a1fa | help |
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| 19:22.09 | Elly | SimonRaven: I have the Java one |
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| 19:22.13 | Elly | but eclipse doesn't like it |
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| 19:22.16 | Elly | (I mean the Sun JVM) |
| 19:22.28 | Hooke | ok, guys, so do I have to save these settings in some way? |
| 19:22.31 | SimonRaven | ohad: sorry, i thought it still said how to find one. you do /stats p to find one |
| 19:22.50 | EdibleText | Elly, did you install by means of make-jpkg? |
| 19:22.57 | SimonRaven | then look it your main window to see who it is, and /msg them |
| 19:23.00 | ohad | SimonRaven, 0 :/ |
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| 19:23.05 | a1fa | i am forced to run FSCK manually on everyboot.. how can i fix this problem? |
| 19:23.16 | Elly | EdibleText: no |
| 19:23.20 | Elly | why would I? =\ |
| 19:23.27 | EdibleText | !make-jpkg |
| 19:23.34 | SimonRaven | eek |
| 19:23.36 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 19:23.45 | Elly | I installed it to /opt/java and then added a symlink to /opt/java/bin/java in /usr/bin/java |
| 19:24.01 | toote | a1fa: checked fstab for /? make sure las number is a 1 |
| 19:24.10 | tictac | a1fa: shutdown your system correctly |
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| 19:25.14 | a1fa | tictac: hm.. thats a dick thing to say |
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| 19:25.25 | blondie | a1fa: or don't reboot |
| 19:25.27 | toote | a1fa: but kind of logical |
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| 19:25.32 | tictac | well, sometimes people are idiots. |
| 19:25.37 | a1fa | tictac: :( |
| 19:25.38 | EdibleText | Elly, make-jpkg is the Debian Way of creating a jvm.deb fro say sns installable .bin file |
| 19:25.39 | Hooke | hey, guys, PCM seems to be the one that controls the mp3 volume :) |
| 19:25.42 | EdibleText | sns/suns |
| 19:25.50 | toote | tictac: or just don't know |
| 19:25.51 | a1fa | tictac: this startated happenning with new kernel update |
| 19:26.01 | a1fa | unstable branch 2.6.14-2-k7 |
| 19:26.13 | tictac | toote: idiot again, would fit that description. |
| 19:26.18 | goron | When I try to install ghc-cvs, it needs libgmp3. Then when I install libgmp3 and try again, it needs libgdmp3-dev. Ok, fine but libgmp3-dev tells me that I have to remove libgmp. Aaahhh! The nightmare! |
| 19:26.29 | toote | tictac: a more accurate description would be ignorant |
| 19:26.38 | ohad | SimonRaven, thnaks! |
| 19:26.43 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 19:26.44 | ohad | SimonRaven, who should i ask? |
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| 19:26.51 | ohad | SimonRaven, i need to reset my password |
| 19:26.53 | ohad | :/ |
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| 19:27.03 | tictac | goron: that's called broken dependencies. inspect the version numbers. |
| 19:27.08 | ohad | SimonRaven, i forgot it |
| 19:27.10 | SimonRaven | ask UdontKnow |
| 19:27.12 | a1fa | uhm |
| 19:27.16 | SimonRaven | in #freenode |
| 19:27.20 | toote | tictac: and, according to my dictionary, idiots are ignorants by choice |
| 19:27.22 | a1fa | anybody know how to force no scan with fsck |
| 19:27.23 | SimonRaven | /msg him |
| 19:27.25 | takatumi | he needs +v |
| 19:27.31 | goron | tictac: what version numbers of what? |
| 19:27.38 | tictac | toote: so, idiot still fits. |
| 19:28.03 | toote | tictac: in some cases.. but I'd rather hold him innocent until he proves himself otherwise |
| 19:28.06 | rootnoverify | tcl isn't installed by default on debian sarge? |
| 19:28.08 | Hooke | well, now at least my mp3 works, thanks guys :) |
| 19:28.12 | rootnoverify | oh.. weird :p |
| 19:28.14 | ohad | SimonRaven, thanks! |
| 19:28.14 | tictac | goron: ... the packages your installing. try installing a lower version of a package to fulfill the dependencies until they work themself out. |
| 19:28.20 | SimonRaven | rootnoverify: no |
| 19:28.23 | SimonRaven | ohad: np |
| 19:28.28 | goron | tictac: uhh... but I need this version. |
| 19:28.33 | tictac | toote: i prefer the opposite. |
| 19:28.38 | goron | tictac: otherwise I have to compile from source. |
| 19:28.40 | tictac | goron: then build it yourself. |
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| 19:29.01 | goron | tictac: ok, source it is. |
| 19:29.07 | a1fa | toote: last numbers are 2? |
| 19:29.23 | a1fa | toote: /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 19:29.25 | yassir | Hi |
| 19:29.26 | toote | a1fa: should be for all non / partitions |
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| 19:29.43 | tictac | goron: make sure you use tell dpkg about your sourced package. |
| 19:29.49 | Hooke | oh, great, I can use totem to hear mp3 |
| 19:30.14 | goron | tictac: you mean to warn others? |
| 19:30.19 | FourierSeries | Heh. When did they get rid of the -F / -f option on the shutdown command? |
| 19:30.24 | a1fa | toote: true.. i still dont know why the hell is it makin' fsck run at reboot |
| 19:30.28 | tictac | goron: ... |
| 19:30.29 | goron | tictac: I already did /msg dpkg source |
| 19:30.41 | goron | tictac: (before you said so_ |
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| 19:30.49 | yassir | People I have got a minor problem after installing apm insteed or halt my syystem reboots any idea why? |
| 19:30.52 | tictac | goron: alright. |
| 19:30.53 | goron | tictac: You said "tell". |
| 19:31.02 | Eulex | Hooke, you've got normal audio working? then it's time to try audio cd. do you want to use digital extraction or analog output? |
| 19:31.03 | tictac | goron: tell/inform |
| 19:31.15 | toote | a1fa: I don't have that much information to work on either |
| 19:31.59 | a1fa | toote: hm.. fsck on a mounted file system a bad idea? |
| 19:32.06 | Hooke | Eulex, I dunno, what would you use? |
| 19:32.43 | teknoprep | i was wondering.. does analog really exist from a digital source? |
| 19:32.43 | teknoprep | lol |
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| 19:33.09 | Bluffbar | in bash, what does "-" do? |
| 19:33.18 | Eulex | Hooke, well, I'd use digital extraction, as analog output doesn't work here, because there's no connection between the cd drive and the soundcard on this laptop. |
| 19:33.34 | deadcat | Bluffbar: if you cd -, it will cd back to previes dir |
| 19:33.39 | FourierSeries | bash -: command not found. |
| 19:33.41 | FourierSeries | nothing? |
| 19:33.44 | deadcat | privious |
| 19:33.50 | Eulex | teknoprep, anaolog in the sense that audio is transmitted the analog way to the sound card |
| 19:34.03 | deadcat | arg. fingers too cold to type )= |
| 19:34.05 | tictac | goron: this may be of some use. http://www.debian-administration.org/users/forrest/weblog/3#comment_3 |
| 19:34.07 | silvinho | '-' means standard input in bash |
| 19:34.19 | Hooke | Eulex, what is the advantage of analog? |
| 19:34.27 | Bluffbar | i mean pdf2ps on a pdf quietly makes a ps from the pdf. pdf2ps file - puts it on std. out. |
| 19:34.34 | silvinho | tar cf - dir/ sends the archive to stdout |
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| 19:34.49 | deadcat | Hooke: its better than vaginalog |
| 19:35.06 | FourierSeries | ouffda. |
| 19:35.20 | yassir | People I have got a minor problem after installing apm insteed or halt my |
| 19:35.22 | yassir | +syystem reboots any idea why? |
| 19:35.24 | EdibleText | deadcat, stdin is prefered for that |
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| 19:35.37 | Hooke | hehe |
| 19:35.40 | deadcat | EdibleText: hehe. |
| 19:36.06 | Elly | EdibleText: I can find no such thing as 'make-jpkg' |
| 19:36.28 | EdibleText | !info make-jpkg |
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| 19:36.42 | Hooke | Eulex, I'll try analog |
| 19:37.04 | Eulex | Hooke, the cpu won't be involved in routing the audio from the cd drive to the sound card. some old cd drives don't support digital extraction. the big disadvantages to analog transmission of the sound is that you can't apply any effects to the sound and view visualizations. and there might be quite much noise coming from the cd drive and incorrectly grounded cables used to transmit the sound. |
| 19:37.11 | Elly | EdibleText: no references in any man pages |
| 19:37.13 | EdibleText | hmm weired i am sure i have used it |
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| 19:37.59 | Elly | aha |
| 19:38.02 | Hooke | ohh |
| 19:38.02 | Elly | I need java-package |
| 19:38.15 | Hooke | Eulex, so I should use digital |
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| 19:38.23 | Eulex | Hooke, yes, if you can. |
| 19:38.29 | EdibleText | Elly, ah |
| 19:38.32 | Hooke | ok |
| 19:39.22 | toote | a1fa: normally yes, it is a bad idea |
| 19:39.31 | toote | a1fa: specially due to buffering |
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| 19:40.43 | yassir | alias yassir |
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| 19:41.03 | yassir | Yassir |
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| 19:41.40 | yassir | asking why my system reboots instead of halt anu idea? |
| 19:42.25 | EdibleText | !java-package |
| 19:42.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 19:42.47 | EdibleText | !win elly |
| 19:42.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, elly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 19:43.00 | FourierSeries | wow |
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| 19:43.40 | Tortel | I want 120 AOL CDs! |
| 19:43.52 | yassir | asking why my system reboots instead of halt anu idea?/help |
| 19:44.08 | m0l0ch | can anyone point me to a good resource on getting a Creative Labs Live 24 sound card to work on Debian Sarge? |
| 19:44.21 | a1fa | omfg |
| 19:44.25 | a1fa | it is still running on boot |
| 19:44.29 | Tortel | m0l0ch: use alsa? |
| 19:44.36 | a1fa | guys.. i have a problem.. fsck is running on boot everytime |
| 19:44.46 | Hooke | Eulex, sorry, I don't remember the name of the cd playing program |
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| 19:44.55 | Hooke | xmms? |
| 19:45.02 | m0l0ch | tried as per instructions on http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+7.1.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106 |
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| 19:45.05 | yassir | #nick |
| 19:45.05 | Tortel | grip? |
| 19:45.11 | FourierSeries | alfa: what does the message log say? Anything about the fsck? |
| 19:45.19 | yassir | quit |
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| 19:45.20 | a1fa | let me check |
| 19:45.22 | EdibleText | yassir, /nick |
| 19:45.38 | m0l0ch | but i still don't have a mixer inside Gnome.. |
| 19:45.40 | a1fa | Dec 17 13:43:08 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 19:45.55 | m0l0ch | the command line mixer reaises the volume levels but still no sound!!! |
| 19:46.04 | Tortel | m0l0ch: alsaconf |
| 19:46.06 | cadillac | how to mplayer in debian? |
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| 19:46.15 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 19:46.15 | Tortel | i have to so that every time at boot with the same card |
| 19:46.15 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 19:46.25 | EdibleText | alfa this is root partition? mount / -o remount,ro |
| 19:46.27 | FourierSeries | alfa: does the fsck actually complete? are there uncorrectable errors? |
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| 19:46.40 | a1fa | EdibleText: its not |
| 19:46.44 | m0l0ch | trying... |
| 19:46.47 | a1fa | FourierSeries: i run it manually.. no errors |
| 19:46.57 | a1fa | but it keeps comming up and freezing the boot-up |
| 19:47.03 | a1fa | bocos i have to login manually and run fsck |
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| 19:47.28 | FourierSeries | alfa: you do let the fsck complete during the boot? or does it just suggest running it? |
| 19:47.34 | a1fa | it stops |
| 19:47.39 | cmdKeen | each time I boot, eth0 is assigned to different network card(i have two), it seems like random number generator being used:-P Is there a way to assign network interface to specific card ? |
| 19:47.39 | cadillac | thanks , http://lxdebian.blogspot.com/ |
| 19:47.40 | m0l0ch | tortel - no luck... still no sound (the driver was already loaded) |
| 19:47.41 | a1fa | asking for manuall logon and running fsck |
| 19:47.44 | yassir | Hi again |
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| 19:48.18 | Tortel | :( |
| 19:48.20 | tuv | cmdKeen: install ifrename |
| 19:48.22 | a1fa | its driving me crazy |
| 19:48.33 | yassir | Is there any discussion about my topic apm reboot halt |
| 19:48.38 | FourierSeries | alfa: And this just started happening after upgrading the kernel? |
| 19:48.39 | a1fa | its either that rc6.d got messed up |
| 19:48.40 | a1fa | or what not |
| 19:48.42 | a1fa | yup |
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| 19:49.20 | cmdKeen | tuv, I will try, but how come it works that way ? |
| 19:49.24 | a1fa | also apache2 is not being started via rc2.d |
| 19:49.26 | Kovecses | does anybody know what version of kde is in sid... >? |
| 19:49.30 | a1fa | but when i run the init script manually it starts |
| 19:49.46 | a1fa | it might be rc.d problem, not remounting the drive to read only before shutting doen |
| 19:49.48 | a1fa | down |
| 19:49.52 | Jojosan | Kovecses, 3.4 I think |
| 19:49.54 | tuv | cmdKeen: i think it depends on the order in which driver modules are loaded |
| 19:50.01 | Jojosan | but there is a 3.5 depository |
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| 19:50.07 | Jojosan | search on google |
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| 19:50.18 | cadillac | how to repositore for mplayer |
| 19:50.33 | Kovecses | !marillat |
| 19:50.33 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 19:50.35 | Eulex | m0l0ch, check your volume seetings with alsamixer |
| 19:50.35 | m0l0ch | any other suggestions regarding gett SB Live 24 cound card to work on Sarge? |
| 19:50.36 | tuv | cmdKeen: another solution is to use mapping scripts in /etc/network/interfaces. read ifupdown docs for details (/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/(=) |
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| 19:50.40 | a1fa | FourierSeries: unexpected inconsistency.. run fsck manually |
| 19:50.44 | Jojosan | cadillac, debian-marillat |
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| 19:50.48 | Jojosan | debianvideo.free.fr |
| 19:50.48 | a1fa | FourierSeries i just rebooted and the same error |
| 19:50.54 | a1fa | this is driving me insane |
| 19:50.59 | FourierSeries | alfa: did you "roll" the new kernel yourself? its' not from apt-get etc? |
| 19:51.05 | m0l0ch | checked alsamixer.... raised volume levels.... still no sound! |
| 19:51.10 | a1fa | FourierSeries: apt-get did it |
| 19:51.23 | Kovecses | i seriously thinking of ditching gentoo for debian ....... compile times are too much |
| 19:51.36 | blondie | Kovecses: don't wait! |
| 19:51.46 | FourierSeries | alfa: hmmm ... I'm thinking initscripts. what is the kernel version? |
| 19:51.49 | Tortel | !test |
| 19:51.49 | dpkg | No, tortel, you're not online any more. |
| 19:51.52 | Eulex | m0l0ch, things aren't muted? |
| 19:51.52 | Tortel | :( |
| 19:51.53 | Kovecses | ive used debian many times before |
| 19:51.54 | cmdKeen | tuv, i thought they are loaded the in the same order each boot, I can't understand how may boots with exactly same conf differ... |
| 19:51.54 | EdibleText | !gentoosmite Kovecses |
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| 19:52.08 | deadcat | Kovecses: i am so impatient i dont even like compiling drivers. (= but i have to sometimes |
| 19:52.27 | deadcat | Kovecses: ya. if you use ls or cp, i doubt theres diff hehe |
| 19:52.30 | ccec | hi, there's this apt-related menu, that popped during the installation, that could automatically select a bunch of packages related to: Web Server, SQL server, desktop environment... etc |
| 19:52.37 | m0l0ch | Eulex.... how do i unmute in command line? :o) |
| 19:52.44 | tuv | cmdKeen: i'm really not sure, that was my guess! |
| 19:52.45 | Kovecses | alsamixer? |
| 19:52.50 | m0l0ch | yeah |
| 19:52.52 | thingfish | ccec: tasksel |
| 19:52.57 | EdibleText | ccec, tasksel |
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| 19:53.06 | cmdKeen | tuv, ok, thanks. |
| 19:53.09 | a1fa | OMFG |
| 19:53.10 | FourierSeries | alfa: maybe do a check up of the system using "aptitude" - see if it finds any inconsistancies. |
| 19:53.10 | ccec | thx so much :D |
| 19:53.12 | EdibleText | thislag is killing me |
| 19:53.22 | deadcat | amixer -q set Master mute |
| 19:53.23 | a1fa | FourierSeries: aptitutde what? |
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| 19:53.28 | tuv | cmdKeen: it is a relatively well-known problem. there is a mapping script already as an example of what mapping scripts can do that addresses this problem. you can find it in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
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| 19:53.40 | jason__ | how would I make an ISO of a cd in /dev/hdc with mkisofs |
| 19:53.53 | FourierSeries | alfa: it's the front end for apt-get et. al. try it from the command line. |
| 19:53.53 | Kovecses | is kde 3.5 possible on sarge? |
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| 19:54.22 | Kovecses | !etch k3b |
| 19:54.33 | FourierSeries | alfa: that is assuming you have it installed .... |
| 19:54.33 | cmdKeen | tuv, yep, I am looking at it... I was just curious how can that happen. |
| 19:54.39 | Eulex | !why is k3b not in testing |
| 19:54.39 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 19:54.44 | Bluffbar | what program can i use for converting arbitrary filetypes to ps? |
| 19:54.47 | blondie | Kovecses: it's not apt-get-able if that's what you mean |
| 19:54.55 | blondie | Bluffbar: a2ps? |
| 19:54.56 | m0l0ch | deadcat: amixer: Unable to find simple control 'master', 0 |
| 19:54.58 | Bluffbar | i know pdf2ps, dvi2ps |
| 19:54.59 | Kovecses | well damnit |
| 19:55.04 | EdibleText | jason__, you need to mount the cdrom then run mkisofs on that (besure to put the resulting iso on a rw fs |
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| 19:55.13 | Hooke | hmm, I cant eject the cd :/ |
| 19:55.24 | blondie | Kovecses: sarge is *stable* :P |
| 19:55.33 | Eulex | Kovecses, the build for alpha is blocking. |
| 19:55.36 | teknoprep | Hooke apt-get install eject |
| 19:55.42 | teknoprep | Hooke then just type eject |
| 19:55.56 | Kovecses | so would you guys go for etch or sid? |
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| 19:56.00 | Bluffbar | blondie: is there something similar default on debian? |
| 19:56.03 | ccec | found tasksel... now how can i ask it to install, for example, the "web server" related packages? |
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| 19:56.13 | johaBBa | how can i get a .dockbook file converted into something readable? or is there a docbook viewer that shows the text w/formatting? |
| 19:56.13 | blondie | Kovecses: no I'd go for sarge and xfce4 |
| 19:56.21 | deadcat | m0l0ch: try amixer -q set PCM 0% mute |
| 19:56.26 | Kovecses | blondie: blah |
| 19:56.27 | pumpkin0 | when using initrd: where do i specify the modules to load ? |
| 19:56.28 | a1fa | omfg |
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| 19:56.31 | a1fa | i cant believe this stupid thing |
| 19:56.36 | blondie | Bluffbar: apt-get install a2ps |
| 19:56.45 | FourierSeries | alfa: well? |
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| 19:56.56 | cmdKeen | Kovecses, I am at etch and having no problems. |
| 19:57.05 | blondie | Kovecses: can't stand KDE beyond version 2 :) |
| 19:57.06 | teknoprep | YAY |
| 19:57.26 | m0l0ch | deadcat: same error for 'PCM' |
| 19:57.27 | teknoprep | KDE is bringing linux to be the mass's |
| 19:57.33 | johaBBa | ick |
| 19:57.37 | teknoprep | KDE is doing great stuff |
| 19:57.39 | Bluffbar | blondie: a2ps seems to be only for text in various states |
| 19:57.51 | thingfish | ccec: open a terminal, su to root, type tasksel, put the tick in the Web server box, hit OK, voila. |
| 19:57.59 | blondie | Bluffbar: what do you want to convert, mp3s? :p |
| 19:58.01 | teknoprep | has aqua been ported to linux yet? |
| 19:58.06 | deadcat | m0l0ch: hmm. you have alsa and ti utils right? then i dont know. sorry |
| 19:58.10 | Hooke | teknoprep, great, thanks... I wonder why it crashes in gnome |
| 19:58.11 | Kovecses | i used to trash talk kde myself... and i used things like fluxbox and xfce ... but kde 3.5 is great |
| 19:58.22 | teknoprep | Hooke ? |
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| 19:58.33 | Bluffbar | text (ok thats dealt with ;) ), gif, dvi, pdf aaaand doc |
| 19:58.35 | m0l0ch | deadcat: thanx anyway... :) |
| 19:58.44 | cmdKeen | KDE is bringing linux to mass, but KDE mass can't do anything on linux without KDE... |
| 19:58.50 | Kovecses | i can |
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| 19:59.01 | FourierSeries | "FVWM!" |
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| 19:59.08 | Bluffbar | blondie: goto previous |
| 19:59.09 | teknoprep | cmdKeen and your point? |
| 19:59.10 | Kovecses | cmdKeen: what do you use? |
| 19:59.17 | teknoprep | cmdKeen wouldn't you love to see windows go away |
| 19:59.18 | Gnea | cmdKeen: who's your crack dealer? |
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| 19:59.33 | teknoprep | Gnea /wave |
| 19:59.34 | cmdKeen | teknoprep, sure I did, I just noted that fact. |
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| 19:59.38 | blondie | Bluffbar: ahh ImageMagick's convert maybe :P |
| 19:59.42 | cmdKeen | s/did/would/ |
| 20:00.00 | Hooke | teknoprep, how does "eject" know what to eject? I typed it again after having removed the cd and closed, and it opened the right cd drive :) |
| 20:00.06 | Bluffbar | ok convert anything anything.ps ? sounds crazy |
| 20:00.07 | a1fa | tune2fs didnt help |
| 20:00.08 | Kovecses | after all linus uses kde.... and i think he knows a thing or two |
| 20:00.14 | a1fa | this bitch is still trying to run fsck on boot |
| 20:00.16 | a1fa | wtfffffffffff |
| 20:00.21 | teknoprep | Hooke lol dunno |
| 20:00.23 | Bluffbar | ok so do i have to handle those sepperatly with different progs |
| 20:00.33 | teknoprep | Hooke it finds a mounted cd rom file system and ejects it? |
| 20:00.42 | teknoprep | iso9660 |
| 20:00.43 | deadcat | !start a wm war |
| 20:00.44 | dpkg | fvwm95 sucks! |
| 20:00.56 | x66 | Hey can anyone help me out? On my home debian box, I log in to it via VNC, and i have a kind of desktop enviroment, with Desktop icons etc. But on my other Debian server, i have a dull gray screen, with the 'twm' menu on it, can anyone help? |
| 20:00.58 | FourierSeries | "FVWM!" he heh heeee! |
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| 20:01.06 | ccec | thingfish: are there any common reasons for "tasksel" *not* to display the user interface to select applications? i just typed it and nothing happened. |
| 20:01.08 | teknoprep | KDE owns |
| 20:01.08 | Hooke | teknoprep, what if I want to open the other cd drive? |
| 20:01.17 | a1fa | how can i remove journal and add it back up? |
| 20:01.18 | cmdKeen | Kovecses, I use Fluxbox, but Gnome is good as well WM... and KDE and all others, every of them have some advantages. |
| 20:01.18 | teknoprep | Hooke i dunno? |
| 20:01.19 | Bluffbar | gnome rules |
| 20:01.19 | Kovecses | Hooke: press the button |
| 20:01.22 | Gnea | x66: lol |
| 20:01.22 | teknoprep | man eject? |
| 20:01.31 | Gnea | x66: install a window manager |
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| 20:01.31 | deadcat | x66: check .vnc dir. theres a startup file. change it to kde or whatever you like |
| 20:01.44 | Gnea | deadcat: or is that the same system? |
| 20:01.51 | deadcat | oh. heh. |
| 20:01.52 | EdibleText | Hooke, it probably uses fstab and /cdrom |
| 20:01.57 | Hooke | hehe, thanks |
| 20:02.03 | x66 | thanks, thanks, and thanks |
| 20:02.06 | x66 | :D |
| 20:02.07 | EdibleText | hooke you may need to specify the correct /dev/ |
| 20:02.20 | EdibleText | hooke for others |
| 20:02.24 | Bluffbar | x66: what you have before you is the most repulsive, ugly wm in exsitence - it wont get any worse ;) |
| 20:02.29 | Hooke | brb |
| 20:02.38 | x66 | good :p |
| 20:02.43 | pumpkin0 | when using initrd: where do i specify the modules to load ? |
| 20:02.44 | Kovecses | fluxbox baby |
| 20:02.45 | teknoprep | Hooke just use KDE... right click the drive on your desktop and click eject |
| 20:02.45 | Hooke | EdibleText, ok, thanks |
| 20:02.50 | teknoprep | Hooke kde owns |
| 20:02.50 | a1fa | how can i remove journal from the FS? |
| 20:02.56 | Gnea | !tell pumpkin0 about initrd |
| 20:03.03 | x66 | kdebase package? |
| 20:03.06 | deadcat | alienbrain: what fs you have? |
| 20:03.15 | Hooke | teknoprep, I use both gnome and kde :D |
| 20:03.15 | deadcat | x64: try xfce4 |
| 20:03.21 | silvinho | a2fa: tune2fs -O ^something partition, read the manpage |
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| 20:03.51 | deadcat | silvinho: we dont knwo he uses etxN right? |
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| 20:04.09 | Kovecses | if its ext3 journaling is built in isnt it |
| 20:04.13 | EdibleText | !beer me |
| 20:04.27 | silvinho | deadcat: eh shitty assumption on my part |
| 20:04.35 | Gnea | Kovecses: journal in ext3 is just a layer |
| 20:04.41 | a1fa | silverwolf: i am |
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| 20:04.49 | a1fa | silvinho: i am.. it doesnt say -O is to remove |
| 20:04.51 | Gnea | Kovecses: it's basically ext2 with a journal on top |
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| 20:04.56 | deadcat | silvinho: ya. since some people are into reiser and shit |
| 20:04.56 | ix | ext3 is ext2 plus journal, basically |
| 20:05.02 | silvinho | a1fs: it toggles basically |
| 20:05.08 | ix | Gnea said it (: |
| 20:05.25 | silvinho | deadcat: i try not to talk w/ people who use reiser =P |
| 20:05.25 | teknoprep | i am starting to like ZFS alot |
| 20:05.25 | Gnea | a1fa: man tune2fs |
| 20:05.25 | teknoprep | ZFS is hot shit |
| 20:05.25 | a1fa | silvinho: so -O will remove it |
| 20:05.25 | deadcat | silvinho: hahahah. amen |
| 20:05.30 | silvinho | =D |
| 20:05.35 | ix | <- XFS/Raid0 |
| 20:05.37 | a1fa | Gnea: stfu.. i am reading the fscking manual.. but -O is something else, so it says |
| 20:05.38 | kalango | ALGUM BRASILEIRO ? |
| 20:05.44 | teknoprep | can you install debian ontop of ZFS? |
| 20:05.49 | Gnea | a1fa: pardon? |
| 20:05.52 | deadcat | ix: what are you whining about? |
| 20:05.52 | thingfish | !br |
| 20:05.52 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:05.54 | a1fa | ix: i am going to take your word for it.. ext3 blows nuts |
| 20:05.55 | silvinho | teknoprep: solaris kid ? |
| 20:06.07 | teknoprep | of course |
| 20:06.08 | ix | deadcat: say what? |
| 20:06.14 | teknoprep | not really a kid tho |
| 20:06.18 | deadcat | 12:05 < ix> <- XFS/Raid0 |
| 20:06.19 | Gnea | a1fa: oh, you don't need this channel then huh |
| 20:06.19 | silvinho | teknoprep: how is the dfs component of it |
| 20:06.28 | teknoprep | AIX OS400 and Solaris |
| 20:06.33 | ix | is that whining? |
| 20:06.36 | teknoprep | Mainframe |
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| 20:06.40 | ix | I was just stating something. |
| 20:06.43 | teknoprep | mainframe is a pain in the arse |
| 20:06.43 | a1fa | Gnea: again, stfu |
| 20:06.52 | Gnea | a1fa: no. |
| 20:06.52 | silvinho | -O [^]feature[,...] |
| 20:06.52 | silvinho | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.53 | ix | Never said anything about any other file systems. |
| 20:06.54 | teknoprep | Gnea you are a dick |
| 20:06.56 | FourierSeries | O_o |
| 20:07.01 | teknoprep | Gnea :) |
| 20:07.03 | silvinho | sooo |
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| 20:07.04 | a1fa | tune2fs -O has_journal /dev/hda9 |
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| 20:07.06 | EdibleText | 14:13 < Elly> SimonRaven: I have the Java one |
| 20:07.06 | silvinho | ^ = clear |
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| 20:07.15 | a1fa | silvinho: i did that |
| 20:07.20 | a1fa | it didnt remove the flag |
| 20:07.23 | Gnea | teknoprep: you feel more like a man now? |
| 20:07.24 | silvinho | a1fa: for the love of god google "ext3 remove journal" |
| 20:07.27 | teknoprep | hmm anyone here work with Sun Java Dektop lately? |
| 20:07.37 | Cihangir | i setup debian 64 bit but not vorking x help me pls |
| 20:07.37 | Gnea | a1fa: i wasn't even trying to be offensive, so stfu yourself |
| 20:07.40 | pumpkin0 | gnea: i need the initrd, this is a diskless boot-over-net client. and it doesn't load all the modules in /etc/modules. |
| 20:08.06 | teknoprep | Gnea hmm... no not really.. but its odd you would have brung that up.. you feel less of a man now? |
| 20:08.14 | Elly | make-jpkg did the trick |
| 20:08.16 | silvinho | ix: i'm building a vmware setup, i've heard xfs has superb large file handling capability, would you suggest investigating it ? |
| 20:08.31 | EdibleText | !w00t |
| 20:08.31 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
| 20:08.33 | Gnea | teknoprep: are you done? |
| 20:08.41 | teknoprep | Gnea are you? |
| 20:08.47 | deadcat | !wtf is w00t |
| 20:08.48 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 20:08.54 | teknoprep | lol |
| 20:08.56 | Tortel | lol |
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| 20:09.05 | Tortel | !wtf is deadcat |
| 20:09.06 | ix | silvinho: definately. but heavy caching often means bye-bye to files transferred during the event of a crash. |
| 20:09.06 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 20:09.31 | Gnea | sunday is early here this weekend |
| 20:09.33 | EdibleText | w00t may be older then goatse |
| 20:09.34 | ix | silvinho: you really have to have a look at the pros/cons to see wether or not it fits you. |
| 20:09.35 | teknoprep | hmm anyone here work with Sun Java Dektop lately? |
| 20:09.40 | silvinho | ix: hrmm well i have a fileserver with my masters that i deploy to my actual powerful vmware machine, so that wouldn't be an issue |
| 20:09.47 | Gnea | it seems all of the uneducated and disrespectful ones have come out to play. |
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| 20:09.52 | silvinho | ix: of course |
| 20:09.56 | ix | silvinho: then check it out! :) |
| 20:10.07 | silvinho | i will |
| 20:10.14 | ix | I am pleased, for sure. |
| 20:10.31 | teknoprep | Gnea uneducated would imply that at one time that person was educated |
| 20:10.43 | silvinho | no it doesn't |
| 20:10.43 | teknoprep | gnea then the education was removed |
| 20:10.48 | thingfish | no it doesn't imply any such thing. |
| 20:10.52 | silvinho | that would be dis-educated |
| 20:11.03 | teknoprep | un being a prefix to taking away |
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| 20:11.10 | EdibleText | teknoprep, theat would be 'deeducated' i am sure it happens |
| 20:11.18 | thingfish | as Gnea said. |
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| 20:11.36 | hmpedersen | Righ.. Can -ne1- tell me how i make debian installdiscs read from the disc? |
| 20:11.36 | teknoprep | oh i am wrong lol |
| 20:11.55 | Gnea | !ne1 |
| 20:11.55 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 20:12.06 | a1fa | ix: is xfs good? |
| 20:12.06 | hmpedersen | Since netinstall wouldnt, i just spent a day downloading the entire set of discs |
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| 20:12.41 | EdibleText | uneducated imply ignorant, but does not preclude anable to learn, which would be incorrigible |
| 20:12.42 | ix | a1fa: I personally think so. Plus I've never experienced a crash, so the caching hasn't really bothered me. |
| 20:12.43 | Gnea | hmpedersen: i typically find that inserting the disc into the drive tends to work |
| 20:12.44 | pumpkin0 | hmpedersen: the install will ask for soucres. Just give it the discs. |
| 20:12.47 | ix | Rather the opposite. |
| 20:12.47 | a1fa | oh my fg.. |
| 20:12.51 | EdibleText | anable/unable |
| 20:12.55 | a1fa | i just removed the journal |
| 20:12.56 | x64 | whats the best ever wm? |
| 20:12.58 | a1fa | and added it back in there |
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| 20:13.02 | deadcat | x64: none |
| 20:13.04 | a1fa | and it is still running fsck manually |
| 20:13.06 | a1fa | on every boot |
| 20:13.08 | hmpedersen | Gnea, and when it boots and simply says the disc does not exist, you do what? |
| 20:13.09 | Gnea | a1fa: bah, stfu, no one cares |
| 20:13.10 | a1fa | WTF |
| 20:13.10 | deadcat | x64: stop asking stupid questions |
| 20:13.15 | x64 | nevar :( |
| 20:13.16 | a1fa | Gnea: dick, u stfu |
| 20:13.18 | silvinho | x64: e17 |
| 20:13.25 | hmpedersen | pumpkin, i think, that step is after it actually reads that part.. |
| 20:13.31 | ne1 | there is a nick ne1 now |
| 20:13.36 | takatumi | hmpedersen: anything interesting in th BIOS? |
| 20:13.44 | deadcat | ne1: hehe |
| 20:13.51 | toote | a1fa: bad drive sectors? |
| 20:14.02 | deadcat | man. you are a legion around here. everyone was asking for you |
| 20:14.09 | hmpedersen | takatumi, yeah.. well.. The part of booting from the disc is there, and enabled so itll read discs from any other distro than debian |
| 20:14.20 | Gnea | a1fa: have it your way. |
| 20:14.26 | takatumi | hmpedersen: then it's got to be a burning issue. |
| 20:14.46 | hmpedersen | takatumi, since i can burn any other distro to disc, but debian? |
| 20:14.48 | Gnea | hmpedersen: which disc are you trying to boot, just the first one? is that an ide or scsi cdrom? |
| 20:14.50 | a1fa | toote: brand new drive |
| 20:14.51 | a1fa | i hope not |
| 20:14.56 | a1fa | brand new.. not even 1 month old |
| 20:15.01 | EdibleText | 'one' and 'small L' look the same in courier new 8 point |
| 20:15.02 | a1fa | i did smartctl test on it.. it passed |
| 20:15.03 | hmpedersen | Would that then mean, the official images are broken? |
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| 20:15.13 | toote | EdibleText: ditto that |
| 20:15.17 | hmpedersen | Gnea, i only have 1.. My usb-dvd |
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| 20:15.30 | takatumi | hmpedersen: 1,000's have tried it, would not a bug have been filed? |
| 20:15.35 | Gnea | hmpedersen: then you need to tell your bios to make it bootable |
| 20:15.35 | pumpkin0 | hmpedersen: how did you burn them ? |
| 20:15.36 | toote | a1fa: is re-install an option? |
| 20:15.55 | a1fa | toote: i got about 40gb of data.. i assume it is :P |
| 20:15.56 | hmpedersen | GNea, how do u think i get inside the installer to the part, where the installer says there is no disc? |
| 20:16.01 | a1fa | scrap it all |
| 20:16.04 | a1fa | and start over |
| 20:16.13 | Gnea | !assume |
| 20:16.14 | dpkg | assume is, like, the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 20:16.18 | Kovecses | anyone ever try konstruct? |
| 20:16.29 | toote | a1fa: that's an extreme... if it keeps failing: hardware is to blame |
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| 20:17.04 | hmpedersen | Ive spent 3 entire days now attempting to install.. And all i've been given when asking in here is: Try again! |
| 20:17.05 | Gnea | hmpedersen: is doesn't even read the first disc? |
| 20:17.08 | pumpkin0 | alfa: while you are at it: run badblocks at the install. |
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| 20:17.11 | Tortel | gah, my gnome desktop froze, ideas on how to make it respond again? (It just went blank) |
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| 20:17.22 | a1fa | pumpkin0: k |
| 20:17.24 | Gnea | hmpedersen: which kernel are you using? |
| 20:17.35 | hmpedersen | Gnea, Yes.. It reads the very first part of the installer.. Then before asking me for sources, refuses to read anymore |
| 20:17.35 | a1fa | pumpkin0: i will download that western digital diag and shrub it all |
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| 20:17.58 | pumpkin0 | alfa: that's a good test too. |
| 20:18.02 | hmpedersen | Gnea, I downloaded the latest iso's.. Pressing enter.. |
| 20:18.11 | hmpedersen | As everyone in here have told me.. |
| 20:18.20 | takatumi | hmpedersen: then it's not a burning issue. |
| 20:18.29 | Gnea | hmpedersen: ok, so you're using the 2.4 kernel - you need to reboot and type linux26 and press enter so that usb will be properly supported |
| 20:18.30 | hmpedersen | Takatumi, you think.. |
| 20:18.33 | a1fa | ix: i am about to switch ext3->xfs anything i should be worried about? |
| 20:18.39 | takatumi | !pebkac |
| 20:18.39 | dpkg | well, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 20:18.41 | EdibleText | tortel you might drop into console and kill the offending process (if one exists) |
| 20:18.54 | hmpedersen | Gnea, thank you.. Thats actually what ive tried to ask in here for 3 days.. |
| 20:18.57 | resiak | a1fa: Do you have a UPS? XFS is prone to losing more data than would ext3 in the event of a sudden power outage. |
| 20:19.09 | Gnea | hmpedersen: if that doesn't do it, i'm not sure then... i've never used a cd/dvd drive connected to usb to do an install before |
| 20:19.14 | cmdKeen | Tortel, I had similiar problem... can you run nautilus in different WM ? |
| 20:19.16 | Gnea | hmpedersen: you're welcome |
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| 20:19.37 | Cihangir | how to make debain x windows settin? |
| 20:19.42 | EdibleText | tortel ctrl-alt-F1 would drop you into console one for example |
| 20:19.44 | Cihangir | how to make debain x windows settings? |
| 20:19.52 | resiak | !debain |
| 20:19.52 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 20:19.53 | resiak | !drxx Cihangir |
| 20:19.53 | dpkg | Cihangir: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 20:20.09 | hmpedersen | Now its finally scanning the disc.. |
| 20:20.14 | hmpedersen | Thanx |
| 20:20.23 | thingfish | yay! |
| 20:20.23 | takatumi | 3 days eh? |
| 20:20.26 | Cihangir | thanks |
| 20:20.29 | hmpedersen | Yes..3 days.. |
| 20:20.31 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:20.36 | hmpedersen | Being in here asking nearly every single hour |
| 20:20.48 | takatumi | hmpedersen: never saw it. |
| 20:20.57 | Gnea | i was here at various times of the past few days too, never saw ya till now |
| 20:20.59 | a1fa | this sucks |
| 20:21.04 | Cihangir | have to apt get ati driver? |
| 20:21.05 | ix | a1fa: not fucking up the process, and losing everything |
| 20:21.10 | a1fa | you cant just move ext3 into XFS |
| 20:21.12 | Cihangir | in debian |
| 20:21.16 | a1fa | without erasing everything |
| 20:21.17 | Gnea | hahahaha |
| 20:21.17 | takatumi | Cihangir: /msg dpkg ati debs |
| 20:21.17 | a1fa | thats cap |
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| 20:21.30 | ix | a1fa: correct. :/ |
| 20:21.31 | Gnea | that's the way all filesystems work |
| 20:21.33 | hmpedersen | Well.. Atleast now i wont spend time downloading during install.. |
| 20:21.47 | a1fa | fuck it.. i am going to reinstall all |
| 20:21.49 | EdibleText | alfa not without a 'scratch' partition or disk to move data too |
| 20:21.52 | a1fa | i need to backup my data |
| 20:21.56 | EdibleText | too/to |
| 20:22.19 | Gnea | get those floppies ready |
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| 20:22.35 | EdibleText | sneakernet! |
| 20:22.57 | deadcat | i can telnet to my desktop's port 6000, is that safe? |
| 20:23.17 | pumpkin0 | deadcat: depends. |
| 20:23.19 | Gnea | deadcat: does it have an internet IP directly assigned to it? |
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| 20:23.38 | Blissex | deadcat: thats' the X11 port for display :0 |
| 20:23.42 | deadcat | Gnea: no. i have a router in between. but i dont even want my LAN to conenct to it |
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| 20:23.53 | deadcat | Blissex: ya. how do i disable it? |
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| 20:24.00 | Gnea | deadcat: then shut it off - what sort of DM are you running? |
| 20:24.05 | Blissex | deadcat: do you want to do it? |
| 20:24.17 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.21 | Kerr | x-not-vnc |
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| 20:24.35 | Kerr | !x-not-vnc |
| 20:24.35 | deadcat | Blissex: i want to disable it. yet |
| 20:24.36 | dpkg | x-not-vnc is, like, instead of running a vnc server on Linux, run an X server on windows (MicroImages has a free (beer) one http://www.microimages.com/mix/mix-faq.htm) and use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about sshx to learn how) |
| 20:24.49 | Blissex | deadcat: it is not very useful to disable it... |
| 20:25.02 | Kerr | mi/x gives a 15 day free trial. Anyone know of a good alternative? |
| 20:25.12 | pumpkin0 | deadcat : do you use xdm or gdm for login in ? |
| 20:25.18 | deadcat | Blissex: oh. let me see if i can telnet to my laptop from the desktop the same way |
| 20:25.18 | Blissex | deadcat: however, look at the ''nolisten'' option. And make sure all program are configured to use another X server IPC method, like the 'unix' one. |
| 20:25.22 | deadcat | pumpkin0: slim |
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| 20:25.56 | Blissex | deadcat: also ''disabling port 6000'' has different meanings depending on what you exactly you want to achieve. |
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| 20:26.28 | Gnea | deadcat: oh dude! |
| 20:26.32 | deadcat | Blissex: gdm closed that port. but i am not using gdm on the desktop |
| 20:26.38 | Gnea | deadcat: that's the third time now, i keep forgetting about it :( |
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| 20:26.53 | deadcat | hehe |
| 20:26.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:27.14 | Gnea | seriously, i foobared my laptop's install.. if i could fix that then i could figure slim out |
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| 20:27.26 | Gnea | the nvidia driver took a dump everywhere :/ |
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| 20:27.37 | takatumi | deadcat: slim, URL? |
| 20:27.48 | Lounis_ | hello, I have a small problem with my man page when I try to make a Debian package: I renamed manpage.1.ex into manpage.1 but when I install my package there is no man page. can you help me? |
| 20:27.51 | deadcat | Gnea: i kinna fixed my nvidia problem by setting NvAGP to 0 |
| 20:28.01 | Gnea | deadcat: hrm |
| 20:28.03 | deadcat | takatumi: the binary? or source? |
| 20:28.15 | tuv | ksoftirqd takes lots of cpu when i have many network connections. this didn't used to happen, what could've caused it? |
| 20:28.16 | takatumi | deadcat: literature? |
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| 20:28.34 | deadcat | takatumi: do a search for slim login manager. |
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| 20:29.12 | Gnea | deadcat: nope, still a blank screen - it just took out userland again |
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| 20:29.26 | deadcat | Gnea: damn |
| 20:30.21 | Gnea | hrm, i wonder if there's been any activity with that bug yet... |
| 20:30.29 | deadcat | would port 6000 show up if i startx ? too lazy to check myself |
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| 20:30.37 | EdibleText | deadcat have you tried for help in #nvida/ |
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| 20:31.08 | EdibleText | #nvidia even |
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| 20:31.29 | Gnea | !dbugs 343186 |
| 20:31.32 | dpkg | #343186:[nvidia-kernel-source] nvidia-kernel-source 8174 Fails to load proper with 2.6.1[234]; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:03:08 UTC |
| 20:31.36 | Gnea | deadcat: i doubt it |
| 20:31.51 | EdibleText | oh its a debian package |
| 20:32.05 | deadcat | EdibleText: ya. no one knew what the f was wrong. tooke me over a year. but 2 days ago i searched for lock up and was told to set NvAGP to 0 |
| 20:32.07 | Gnea | yeah what did you think i loaded the .run from nvidia.com lol |
| 20:32.31 | Gnea | deadcat: i just tried doing that and it did the same thing |
| 20:32.33 | teknoprep | Gnea why not? |
| 20:32.43 | Gnea | teknoprep: why not what? |
| 20:32.43 | hmpedersen | Gnea, right.. |
| 20:32.44 | teknoprep | the .run from nvidia works great |
| 20:32.49 | deadcat | slim uses "exec /bin/bash -login ~/.xinitrc", that will open port 6000. how would i make it NOT |
| 20:32.53 | hmpedersen | Now im stuck at the eth.. |
| 20:32.56 | Gnea | teknoprep: it is not the debian way. |
| 20:33.06 | teknoprep | Gnea the debian way is whack |
| 20:33.10 | tuv | ksoftirqd takes lots of cpu when i have many network connections. this didn't used to happen, what could've caused it? could it have any thing to do with the kernel version (it might have started after upgrading to 2.6.12) |
| 20:33.12 | EdibleText | that was years agop |
| 20:33.29 | hmpedersen | Its refusing to identify my perfectly linux-compatible realtec gigabit netcard.. And refusing to skip that step |
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| 20:33.39 | deadcat | by the way. after setting NvAGP to 0, no glx for me. oh well |
| 20:33.42 | Gnea | teknoprep: there's a reason for it. if you don't know the reason, then you don't know debian that well. however, there may be hope yet... |
| 20:33.43 | hmpedersen | And ofcourse refusing to let me identify the card for it.. |
| 20:34.06 | teknoprep | Gnea no i prefer standards which debian doesn't seem to like |
| 20:34.09 | nixie | closed source sucks. you know what i have to do to get DRI working? |
| 20:34.14 | nixie | boot to windows first! |
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| 20:34.24 | EdibleText | !pal nixie |
| 20:34.40 | Gnea | teknoprep: then leave. |
| 20:34.56 | teknoprep | Gnea why... i use debain for servers not a desktop os? |
| 20:35.08 | teknoprep | Gnea you all about ppl leaving |
| 20:35.11 | teknoprep | Gnea weirdo |
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| 20:35.23 | EdibleText | cmon now. |
| 20:35.28 | Gnea | if that's the case, then don't call something whack that you have no clue bout. |
| 20:35.28 | thingfish | Gnea's paid his dues here a thousand times over, newbie. |
| 20:35.30 | cycom | why does etch default to 2.4 kernel instead of 2.6? |
| 20:35.32 | EdibleText | lets be nice |
| 20:35.49 | teknoprep | thingfish yay |
| 20:35.56 | Gnea | teknoprep: you are in error. |
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| 20:36.06 | madradrone | hmpedersen: can you modprobe the module manually in an alternate console? |
| 20:36.13 | cycom | children children, it'll end in tears. |
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| 20:36.27 | hmpedersen | madradrone, no.. |
| 20:36.29 | Gnea | lol |
| 20:36.33 | Gnea | ok |
| 20:36.45 | Gnea | well at least it doesn't corrupt the FS |
| 20:36.47 | nixie | dammit!!! i booted to window and i have DRI |
| 20:36.53 | nixie | how stupid is that |
| 20:36.54 | madradrone | hmpedersen: does the module exist for the install kernel? |
| 20:36.56 | Gnea | nixie: is that a laptop? |
| 20:37.00 | nixie | nope. |
| 20:37.01 | nixie | fglrx |
| 20:37.05 | Gnea | .... |
| 20:37.06 | EdibleText | nixie, I would cry for that ;) |
| 20:37.07 | nixie | thats what it is |
| 20:37.11 | teknoprep | ATI yay |
| 20:37.13 | teknoprep | what a pain |
| 20:37.13 | hmpedersen | And now i get an installationerror.. "Can not install Debian.. There was found no installable cd-rom, and there was no valid mirror specified" |
| 20:37.19 | nixie | Radeon X800 Pro |
| 20:37.25 | hmpedersen | Well.. I have no choice.. |
| 20:37.27 | nixie | on etch. |
| 20:37.30 | hmpedersen | I refuse to use windows.. |
| 20:37.36 | madradrone | hmpedersen: is this a regular cd install? |
| 20:37.44 | Gnea | nixie: go buy a geforce ;) |
| 20:37.48 | hmpedersen | So my only option now is even worse.. : Installing Xandros! |
| 20:37.51 | teknoprep | nixie i found that gentoo works with 0 configuration when install fglrx |
| 20:37.58 | cycom | hmpedersen: DON'T DO IT! |
| 20:38.00 | Gnea | hmpedersen: oh man.... |
| 20:38.03 | nixie | Gnea: ill send you my paypal info |
| 20:38.10 | cycom | hmpedersen: oh. I mean install Xandros. You can kill yourself if you want. |
| 20:38.13 | teknoprep | it was very easy to configure... i had to look at how it was configured on gentoo to get it to work on an ubuntu install |
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| 20:38.21 | Gnea | nixie: could you live with a PCI? |
| 20:38.29 | teknoprep | took ages but i finnaly got ati to work on ubuntu... its possible but a pain in the arse |
| 20:38.30 | nixie | teknoprep: i dont care about gentoo |
| 20:38.34 | Gnea | nixie: single head with a tvout, 128megs |
| 20:38.34 | teknoprep | everything had to be perfect |
| 20:38.37 | nixie | Gnea: only if it's an express one |
| 20:38.48 | Gnea | nixie: ah, nope it's just straight PCI |
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| 20:39.08 | hmpedersen | Whats interesting is.. Ubuntu works fine.. Atleast it would, if it would be done installing the fonts.. |
| 20:39.20 | hmpedersen | Ofcourse.. |
| 20:39.41 | hmpedersen | I havent tried reinstalling ubuntu since my hdd died and i got a new.. 4 days ago.. |
| 20:39.51 | mango | hello gays , is there any option in mozilla firefox, u can read a set of files from the same website offline, just like in explorer?, thanks |
| 20:40.04 | EdibleText | mango, excuse me ;) |
| 20:40.08 | cycom | so yeah, why does etch default to 2.4 kernel instead of 2.6? |
| 20:40.37 | madradrone | mango: check out wget's mirroring option |
| 20:40.38 | deadcat | cycom: who cares |
| 20:40.52 | Gnea | cycom: debian does by default - if you want to change that behavior, install a 2.6 and put it at the top of your grub menu.lst |
| 20:40.55 | hmpedersen | deadcat, i think cycom does.. |
| 20:41.04 | deadcat | hmpedersen: hes alone on this. |
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| 20:41.27 | silvinho | 2.4 is more mature than 2.6 basically |
| 20:41.40 | cycom | silvinho: thank you :) |
| 20:41.41 | hmpedersen | deadcat, dunno.. but im done wasting more time attempting to install debian.. I need my computer back running in -2 days.. |
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| 20:41.47 | Gnea | silvinho: a year or two ago, yeah. but not today. |
| 20:41.50 | mango | Emadradrone: thanks man |
| 20:41.53 | deadcat | hmpedersen: bye |
| 20:42.16 | fts | bye |
| 20:42.20 | EdibleText | Gnea, its the conservative choice |
| 20:42.26 | EdibleText | Gnea, by default |
| 20:42.28 | mango | EdibleText: sorry man, I always make that mistake, I mean guys |
| 20:42.38 | Gnea | EdibleText: stop right there. |
| 20:42.43 | Gnea | EdibleText: just STOP. |
| 20:42.43 | EdibleText | mango, i know :) |
| 20:42.44 | hmpedersen | I mean.. Ive allways had some problems in linux.. But never -anything- like this |
| 20:42.47 | cycom | silvinho: but isn't etch testing? |
| 20:42.56 | hmpedersen | even redhat 5 installs! Tried it last night.. |
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| 20:43.06 | madradrone | hmpedersen: please stop complaining |
| 20:43.07 | silvinho | hmpedersen: why can't you install ? |
| 20:43.11 | silvinho | cycom: touche it is |
| 20:43.12 | teknoprep | hmpedersen what are you trying to do? |
| 20:43.19 | teknoprep | hmpedersen install debian? |
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| 20:43.27 | teknoprep | hmpedersen get the net install |
| 20:43.29 | hmpedersen | teknoprep, Im attempting to install debian on a computer |
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| 20:43.35 | teknoprep | hmpedersen and start apt-get 'ing what you need |
| 20:43.36 | cycom | silvinho: so again, why would etch default to 2.4 instead of 2.6? any debian dev want to jump in? |
| 20:43.38 | deadcat | get the d-i devel netinstall. (= |
| 20:43.46 | madradrone | hmpedersen: if you decide you actually want to solve problems, and listen to help, fine. but please don't spray us with intermittend whining |
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| 20:43.49 | Gnea | teknoprep: his problem is that he's trying to install debian off of a USB DVD drive |
| 20:44.15 | Gnea | now if you'd been paying attention in the first place you'd know that |
| 20:44.26 | hmpedersen | Madradrone, Ive been asking for help for 3 days.. With no1 replyinhg untill today |
| 20:44.43 | teknoprep | hmpedersen why are you trying to do this? |
| 20:44.46 | deadcat | cycom: which d-i you using? because the nightlighty is default to 26 and it allows you to select a list of kernels |
| 20:44.50 | Gnea | cycom: you should try the mailing list |
| 20:45.00 | madradrone | hmpedersen: what, exactly is your problem? |
| 20:45.05 | hmpedersen | And.. If teknoprep had been paying attention to the very recent note i mate, debian is refusing to use my ethernet card! |
| 20:45.05 | cycom | deadcat: I did do a floppy install, so that could be it. |
| 20:45.08 | teknoprep | hmpedersen why not just put the cd into an IDE drive? |
| 20:45.19 | FourierSeries | hmpedersen: You could cop out & do the floppy install ... |
| 20:45.21 | deadcat | cycom: ah. maybe 26 dont fit? i dont know |
| 20:45.25 | teknoprep | hmpedersen so you did get it installed? |
| 20:45.34 | cycom | deadcat: ...it downloads most of the stuff of the net |
| 20:45.42 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 20:45.50 | hmpedersen | teknoprep, what ide drive? Everyone ive had has burned out in less than a day! Last time i was actually kicked out of the shop when asking for a refund! |
| 20:45.54 | deadcat | hmpedersen: then dont use debian. end of story |
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| 20:46.12 | teknoprep | is there a debian install with 2.6 kernel on it? |
| 20:46.19 | teknoprep | instead of the default 2.4 kernel/ |
| 20:46.21 | FourierSeries | hmpedersen: doing a "netinstall" - it does not reccognise your net card? |
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| 20:46.29 | hmpedersen | Fourier. No! |
| 20:46.32 | hmpedersen | Bye' |
| 20:46.41 | deadcat | and why should teknoprep be paying attention to you? if you pay attention to him. he just got here. so you are to blame |
| 20:46.45 | tabasko | hi! \o/ |
| 20:46.45 | madradrone | teknoprep: yes. the official debian install cd has 2.6 |
| 20:47.08 | silvinho | most debian installs have 26 on them just type linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 20:47.10 | tuv | teknoprep: at boot: linux26 |
| 20:47.17 | Gnea | deadcat: calm down brothah |
| 20:47.21 | deadcat | hahah |
| 20:47.23 | teknoprep | i would use the "official" install then.. i think your problem is that the module for you gig card doesn't exist in the kernel for the install you choose |
| 20:47.33 | teknoprep | redhat 5 uses a 2.6 kernel with more network modules in them |
| 20:47.33 | EdibleText | Gnea you raise my hackles that does not happen often. I can only assume that you think I was engaging you in a in a conversation about why 2.4 is default. that was not my intent. I cannot presume to know what your experiance is. I simply offered you my understanding of the policy. |
| 20:47.34 | FourierSeries | I think hmpedersen just tried that ie "linux26" |
| 20:47.42 | tabasko | is there some command in linux where i can see how fast/slow is my agp? |
| 20:47.42 | deadcat | teknoprep: use the devel nightly snapshot. |
| 20:47.44 | tabasko | or app |
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| 20:47.52 | EdibleText | that is all. |
| 20:47.52 | teknoprep | deadcat not for me tell hmpedersen |
| 20:48.10 | Gnea | EdibleText: i'm not a political person. never have been, never will be. |
| 20:48.19 | EdibleText | Gnea, same here. |
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| 20:48.53 | takatumi | !food |
| 20:48.53 | dpkg | i guess food is "any substance that can be metabolized by an organism to give energy and build tissue," according to WordNet 2.0. Electricity for humans. |
| 20:49.04 | deadcat | teknoprep: i think i told his ass already.. but fuck it. hes not gonna use debian anyway. he'll leave after he finish whining like a little bitch |
| 20:49.04 | teknoprep | hmpedersen did you get your install cd from http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 20:49.13 | Gnea | EdibleText: so what's so 'conservative' about it? |
| 20:49.17 | EdibleText | Gnea, oh and I didnt mean conserviaticein the politcal sense ;) |
| 20:49.18 | teknoprep | deadcat lol |
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| 20:49.21 | cmdKeen | will something mess up if I uninstall MTA(exim4) ? |
| 20:49.25 | Gnea | EdibleText: oh ok :) |
| 20:49.28 | teknoprep | cmdKeen no |
| 20:49.29 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 20:49.30 | takatumi | deadcat: you need to relax. |
| 20:49.32 | poonj | hey guys |
| 20:49.33 | hmpedersen | teknoprep, where else would i get the images? |
| 20:49.38 | poonj | anyone here get LIRC to work with XINE? |
| 20:49.44 | teknoprep | hmpedersen http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:49.47 | deadcat | takatumi: oh what up playboy. you want a piece too? |
| 20:49.54 | SimonRaven | cmdKeen: if you don't install another, yes |
| 20:49.54 | hans0lo | has anyone used a playstation to USB converter box with Linux? |
| 20:50.06 | teknoprep | hmpedersen if you are using the netinst it may not work with your network card |
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| 20:50.10 | Gnea | hans0lo: probably |
| 20:50.11 | takatumi | deadcat: woundn't hurt |
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| 20:50.31 | hmpedersen | teknoprep.. Again.. Bye.. Just read what ive said so far.. No image from the site will accept my netcard |
| 20:50.33 | rafx | cmdKeen: you probably want to install another MTA with a minimal one if you uninstall exim4. lots of packages require mta |
| 20:50.41 | teknoprep | hmpedersen or not |
| 20:50.49 | eric_croatia | #linux |
| 20:50.49 | teknoprep | hmpedersen you are an idiot |
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| 20:51.02 | teknoprep | hmpedersen you don't understand that its not debian? you are an idiot then |
| 20:51.05 | FourierSeries | Since it was mentioned ... why did Debian go with exim/exim4 ? |
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| 20:51.23 | cmdKeen | rafx, oh... I want to get rid of it, beacuse sometimes it takes huge amounts of time on startup. |
| 20:51.32 | madradrone | hmpedersen: do you even know what a module is? how to locate one or install it? |
| 20:51.37 | Gnea | FourierSeries: probably a combo of licensing and security issues |
| 20:51.50 | rafx | cmdKeen: then it is probably simpler to just tell it not to startup |
| 20:52.10 | cmdKeen | rafx, ok, thanks. |
| 20:52.11 | FourierSeries | Gnea: I'm am, well was, a sendmail person. just made the switch to exim4 on my mailserver ... |
| 20:52.15 | hmpedersen | madradrone, for days ive asked how to modify anything on the install discs.. And gotten: Install them first! |
| 20:52.18 | Gnea | FourierSeries: but why would debian go with something else? and if something else, what and what makes that MTA any better? |
| 20:52.21 | hmpedersen | This is bye! |
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| 20:52.33 | takatumi | trolled! |
| 20:52.41 | madradrone | thank fucking god |
| 20:52.48 | Gnea | FourierSeries: ah ok - can sendmail be set to listen only on certain ip's? |
| 20:53.03 | Gnea | FourierSeries: or does it listen on 0.0.0.0 by default still? |
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| 20:53.08 | madradrone | gnea: yes, you set it in sendmail.mc |
| 20:53.09 | rafx | cmdKeen: if you want a user-friendly tool to manage that, apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
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| 20:53.32 | Gnea | madradrone: can dpkg-reconfigure set that or is it limited to a text editor? |
| 20:53.33 | FourierSeries | Gnea: probably - via xinted / inetd - although that's "cheating" |
| 20:53.57 | teknoprep | Gnea of course |
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| 20:54.14 | teknoprep | Gnea no you can set it up in the sendmail config |
| 20:54.22 | teknoprep | brb let me look it up |
| 20:54.26 | Gnea | teknoprep: let me know when you can provide an answer with meat |
| 20:54.31 | madradrone | Gnea: actually the command is "sendmailconfig", but no it will not... you must edit.. |
| 20:54.43 | teknoprep | DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl |
| 20:54.44 | Gnea | madradrone: ah ok |
| 20:54.54 | teknoprep | in the sendmail.m4 |
| 20:54.54 | FourierSeries | Gnea: You know , i thought that sendmail could be set up that way. Maybe it is a recent thing tho; |
| 20:55.21 | madradrone | Gnea: that said, sendmailconfig actually does do a lot for getting it configured. but if you want to listen to incoming smtp i guess they assume you should know how to edit the sendmail.mc |
| 20:55.23 | Gnea | teknoprep: is that limited to only one Addr= or can multiple Addr='s be assigned? |
| 20:55.29 | teknoprep | you can setup a bunch of DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=192.168.1.*, Name=MTA')dnl or whatever |
| 20:55.40 | teknoprep | yeah you just put a bunch of DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl in |
| 20:55.42 | FourierSeries | Note that I did not want to start a religous war sendmail vs exim. I was just curious. |
| 20:55.43 | Gnea | madradrone: *nod* |
| 20:55.55 | deadcat | i have : root 4315 4310 0 Dec16 ? 00:04:25 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -dpi 75 -f 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7, where do i man these options? |
| 20:56.10 | Gnea | teknoprep: so you have to do a whole line for each IP?> |
| 20:56.15 | teknoprep | yes |
| 20:56.18 | tuv | ksoftirqd takes lots of cpu when i have many network connections. this didn't used to happen, what could've caused it? could it have any thing to do with the kernel version (it might have started after upgrading to 2.6.12) |
| 20:56.33 | teknoprep | i know there is another way to doit but i forget |
| 20:56.35 | cmdKeen | rafx, thanks for advice, I was using rcconf |
| 20:56.59 | teknoprep | i usually run it on all ip's and use IPTABLES to filter what ip's are accessible |
| 20:57.20 | Gnea | there is a special file that debian has for exim4, in it you can put all on one line, like this: dc_local_interfaces='192.168.1.1:127.0.0.1' |
| 20:57.31 | teknoprep | Gnea YAY |
| 20:57.38 | teknoprep | Gnea sendmail wasn't made that way |
| 20:57.55 | Gnea | and, by default, debian's exim configuration will ask you what ip's you want it to listen on |
| 20:58.17 | Gnea | that's just one reason, though |
| 20:58.22 | teknoprep | sendmail is so powerfull tho.. is so over engineered to meet just about any requirement |
| 20:58.28 | Gnea | i'm sure the maintainers themselves could come up with many more |
| 20:58.32 | tuv | correct me if i'm wrong, but i think exim is more secure than sendmail |
| 20:58.50 | FourierSeries | I found the transition from sendmail to exim4 was not too harsh. Took about a day to set up. |
| 20:58.52 | Gnea | teknoprep: so is exim. so is postfix. |
| 20:58.57 | teknoprep | well... sendmail has been hacked more of course.. its been out for a long time.. but sendmail is the number one used MTA in the world |
| 20:59.11 | tuv | http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/sendmail.html |
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| 20:59.11 | teknoprep | Gnea postfix is pretty much sendmail |
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| 20:59.36 | cycom | teknoprep: Don't be usin the S word. |
| 20:59.37 | Gnea | teknoprep: people who rest their laurels in stupid little idioms such as that one never get anywhere. |
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| 21:00.04 | teknoprep | Gnea yay i am a nothing per Gnea |
| 21:00.11 | teknoprep | Gnea sounds like you know me well lol |
| 21:00.39 | Gnea | you felt the need to respond quite quickly to that, so i must be right |
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| 21:00.51 | teknoprep | Gnea lol |
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| 21:01.16 | Gnea | teknoprep: it's okay, we won't tell anybody |
| 21:01.29 | teknoprep | Gnea that must be it.. no other reasonable answer for anything except you and the debain way |
| 21:01.40 | Gnea | what is debain? |
| 21:01.50 | nixie | !debain |
| 21:01.50 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 21:01.51 | blondie | error |
| 21:01.51 | teknoprep | Gnea its debian spelled wrong |
| 21:01.57 | Gnea | naw really |
| 21:01.58 | Gnea | lol |
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| 21:02.17 | Haukkari | paveq: oi |
| 21:02.18 | Haukkari | paveq: laddie |
| 21:02.20 | bucky | http://debain.org/ |
| 21:02.22 | Haukkari | paveq: you here? |
| 21:02.36 | FourierSeries | That would be an interesting fork: DebAIn |
| 21:02.48 | Gnea | oh man... |
| 21:02.52 | bucky | somebody's working on it |
| 21:02.56 | Gnea | probably |
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| 21:03.10 | testtesttesting | Hey, I just installed debian-stable and ran aptitude update && aptitude upgrade... I am using a Nvidia TNT2 video card and I'm just wondering which package I should be using for my video card? There are a lotta nvidia packages and I don't wanna get the wrong one... Thanks for your help!!! |
| 21:03.16 | paveq | Haukkari: |
| 21:03.22 | Haukkari | !tell paveq about stable |
| 21:03.31 | FourierSeries | bah ... home automation. |
| 21:03.45 | paveq | !tell haukkari about new versions and new features |
| 21:03.58 | cycom | I can imagine it now. The Debain fork. |
| 21:04.04 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 21:04.06 | poonj | anyone here get LIRC to work with XINE? |
| 21:04.12 | poonj | for some reason |
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| 21:04.18 | cycom | noobs would wander in here and be hit with RTFM...er...RTF NAME! |
| 21:04.19 | poonj | xine doesn't respond to my remote commands |
| 21:04.23 | poonj | but it works in mythtv... |
| 21:04.45 | deadcat | poonj: many options in xine DONT work (= |
| 21:04.56 | cycom | the best part is that the human brain can read words just as well as long as the first and last word are in the right place, according to some study or other. |
| 21:04.58 | Haukkari | Would people here recommend Debian Testing for a production server (instead of Stable)? |
| 21:05.02 | bucky | this is better http://debianhomepage.org/ |
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| 21:05.10 | testtesttesting | petemc, thanks for your help. WIll that really work though? |
| 21:05.14 | FourierSeries | o_O |
| 21:05.15 | cycom | Haukkari: why do you need testing instead of stable? |
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| 21:05.17 | teknoprep | yes the bkerkly sutdy |
| 21:05.24 | Haukkari | cycom: no reason, I think. |
| 21:05.33 | petemc | testtesttesting: why wouldnt it? |
| 21:05.34 | Haukkari | cycom: except one of the other admins whines about software in Stable being too old. |
| 21:06.04 | cycom | Haukkari: then why go testing? |
| 21:06.04 | bucky | teknoprep, which bkerkly sutdy... LSD? |
| 21:06.04 | cycom | Haukkari: does it work? |
| 21:06.04 | Haukkari | cycom: and I'm not going to do it, I'm just pondering the idea over. |
| 21:06.04 | testtesttesting | petemc, ok thanks. I'll run that now. |
| 21:06.05 | teknoprep | bucky porabaly |
| 21:06.05 | Haukkari | cycom: stable works, it has all the features we need and all that |
| 21:06.08 | EdibleText | poonj, perhaps xine for mythtv is compiled for LIRC support. from my understanding mythtv is a specialty distro |
| 21:06.09 | cycom | Haukkari: then tell him to stfu :) |
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| 21:06.14 | paveq | hmm |
| 21:06.28 | silvinho | Haukkari: i run a stable/testing system for most of my production servers |
| 21:06.40 | Haukkari | silvinho: mixing stable and testing does work? |
| 21:06.48 | cycom | Haukkari: or you could tell him 'Take a machine, get it running with everything we need with testing and if it works, perhaps I'll do it' |
| 21:07.02 | Haukkari | cycom: that would be too easy. :) |
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| 21:07.03 | bucky | mixing stable and testing does not work |
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| 21:07.36 | Haukkari | bucky: how come? |
| 21:07.37 | paveq | why can't debian put small updates to stable tree, like new versions from irssi or phpmyadmin example |
| 21:07.40 | cycom | Haukkari: for him or for you? :) |
| 21:07.47 | paveq | they don't tend to cause any problems |
| 21:07.50 | cycom | paveq: butterfly effect. |
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| 21:07.57 | deadcat | Haukkari: you run into conflicts |
| 21:08.03 | paveq | cycom: uhm? |
| 21:08.14 | cycom | paveq: seemingly little changes having a big effect |
| 21:08.16 | EdibleText | paveq, it would cease to be 'stable' ;) |
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| 21:08.29 | paveq | gentoo stable works quite well actually... not flaming here ;) |
| 21:08.48 | Haukkari | paveq: Gentoo and Debian have quite different views about the word "stable" |
| 21:08.56 | cycom | paveq: *shrug* I've had some things bork from a seemingly little change in gentoo as well. |
| 21:09.00 | bucky | cycom, yeah.. little changes like a different libc6 and different compiler |
| 21:09.13 | bucky | and different api's |
| 21:09.23 | deadcat | gentoo is latest a greatest at ALL cost |
| 21:09.35 | paveq | Haukkari: yes, gentoo is stable enough but has way more recent software and constant updates |
| 21:09.53 | cycom | Haukkari: Who knows, if you let him set up a running etch perhaps you can find some stuff for the developers to develop :) |
| 21:10.02 | Haukkari | paveq: yeah. But like cycom said, little upgrades can break stuff in Gentoo... so they could break stuff in Debian stable too. :) |
| 21:10.03 | poonj | EdibleText, so I have to get a specific xine version for it to work with LIRC? |
| 21:10.09 | bucky | gentoo is real fun for updates |
| 21:11.02 | cycom | bucky: I still love ubuntu overwriting my grub.conf *cough* er... menu.lst every time I let it do an automated kernel upgrade. |
| 21:11.07 | rootnoverify | mwah, I want a free host with perl that accepts irc bots and has all my needed modules installed, but no way i find one :( |
| 21:11.16 | bucky | cycom, i hear ya |
| 21:11.36 | bucky | poonj, totem-xine has support for lirc http://packages.debian.org/testing/gnome/totem-xine |
| 21:11.41 | tabasko | WOO \o/ how i check my agp speed? :o |
| 21:11.41 | poonj | cool |
| 21:11.53 | EdibleText | poonj, or apt-get source xine and make changes to the config and also have the supporting development libs |
| 21:11.57 | Gnea | rootnoverify: what sort of bot? |
| 21:12.00 | paveq | what do you think, does debian allow same kind of freedom like gentoo, maybe I install debian sometime with spare comp |
| 21:12.05 | cycom | tabasko: you put spinners on your car, don't you. |
| 21:12.30 | SerajewelKS | cycom: haha |
| 21:12.31 | tabasko | <:/ |
| 21:12.39 | Gnea | paveq: it's a different kind of freedom |
| 21:13.03 | paveq | Gnea: then what is different? |
| 21:13.13 | rootnoverify | Gnea: pipsqueek.. just some kind of interactive bot, with lot's of different built-in functions.. and of course a 'couple' of self-made ones ;) |
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| 21:13.31 | AoA | Does somebody knows what does this means : http://pastebin.ca/34004 |
| 21:13.48 | cycom | tabasko: sorry. that was all from the \o/ and the WOO!. I'm a bastard, and anyone that enthusiastic tweaks the little devil on my shoulder into whacking them upside the head. |
| 21:13.51 | Haukkari | paveq: depends on the Debian version you choose to install |
| 21:14.16 | tabasko | cycom, yes, i think too yore bastard :| |
| 21:14.22 | cycom | tabasko: but he got his cummupins. The angel on my other shoulder just threw a rock at him. |
| 21:14.34 | Haukkari | paveq: but stable doesn't allow that much freedom (except if you install everything from source). But it does what it promises: it's stable. :) |
| 21:14.35 | dondelelcaro | AoA: it means that you're linking against a version of Xrender that doesn't have hte symbols that you need. |
| 21:14.47 | dondelelcaro | AoA: but first off, why are you even compiling that? |
| 21:14.51 | bucky | AoA, it means you don't have libxrender-dev installed |
| 21:14.53 | tabasko | cycom, yay :) |
| 21:15.09 | AoA | dondelelcaro : I am compiling KDE 3.5 |
| 21:15.15 | Gnea | paveq: well basically with gentoo the system spends a lot of time downloading and compiling updates, whereas with debian you're downloading pre-compiled packages - of course, you can download the source and recompile if you feel like it |
| 21:15.23 | dondelelcaro | AoA: I can see that, but why? |
| 21:15.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: see if you can install libxft-dev on your ppc please |
| 21:15.37 | bucky | dondelelcaro, because debian is old |
| 21:15.42 | SimonRaven | AoA: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ ./ |
| 21:15.50 | SimonRaven | why bother? |
| 21:15.58 | SimonRaven | (compiling) |
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| 21:16.21 | AoA | dondelelcaro : I want to try that version of KDE, because I have 3.3.2 on Sarge and it has some bug or something , It just crash unexpetedly |
| 21:16.25 | dondelelcaro | !info kdelibs experimental |
| 21:16.25 | deadcat | its soo cold here. my laptop is not even hot. )= |
| 21:16.30 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.0-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 21:16.36 | SimonRaven | uh, then don't use the source i gave |
| 21:16.50 | EdibleText | deadcat thats good ;) computers like cold |
| 21:17.01 | dondelelcaro | AoA: so enable coredumps, and debug whatever is crashing. |
| 21:17.17 | deadcat | EdibleText: i dont. i want it to warm my hands (= |
| 21:17.22 | thingfish | deadcat: cold here too, 27F/-3C. |
| 21:17.24 | bucky | guess that wouldn't install out of expiremental on sarge very well |
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| 21:17.47 | deadcat | thingfish: oh. its like 43F here (= |
| 21:17.48 | AoA | SimonRaven : But I think that is for SID Debian ? |
| 21:17.52 | SimonRaven | that's not cold |
| 21:18.08 | SimonRaven | AoA: yes, this is why i said 'uh, then don't use the source i gave' |
| 21:18.10 | thingfish | yeah, that's not terribly cold. |
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| 21:18.15 | deadcat | SimonRaven: this is California. thats COLD |
| 21:18.16 | bucky | deadcat, it's usually that temperature there in June |
| 21:18.22 | thingfish | oh heh |
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| 21:18.38 | deadcat | thingfish: ya. we're pussies here (= |
| 21:18.44 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:18.46 | AoA | SimonRaven : o , thanks |
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| 21:19.15 | paulswm | deadcat: Cold here in Kissimme, FL, too only 70F today |
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| 21:19.20 | SimonRaven | FYI, it's Sid if any caps are to be put on it. it's a name, not an acronym |
| 21:19.21 | deadcat | SimonRaven: can you see if you can install libxft-dev please |
| 21:19.21 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.22 | paulswm | Kissimmee* |
| 21:19.38 | deadcat | paulswm: bitch you're making me jealous (= |
| 21:19.57 | thingfish | deadcat: we're used to it here in kansas city, missouri. We've already had single digit temps, and it's not even winter yet. |
| 21:20.10 | deadcat | damn |
| 21:20.10 | paulswm | deadcat: If it gets any colder, I'll have to wear something more than shorts and T shirt :P |
| 21:20.18 | SimonRaven | ii libxft-dev 2.1.7-1 FreeType-based font drawing library for X (development files) |
| 21:20.18 | thingfish | balmy florida would be really nice right now. |
| 21:20.30 | bucky | paulswm, oh it can get colder there than that |
| 21:20.44 | deadcat | SimonRaven: sid? |
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| 21:20.51 | paulswm | bucky: Yes, I know, I've lived here for 13 uears |
| 21:20.56 | paulswm | years* |
| 21:20.59 | SimonRaven | gimme -30, that's cold. yes it is, deadcat |
| 21:21.03 | bucky | one year was enough for me |
| 21:21.15 | Gnea | thingfish: hehe i'm in arizona, went to the drive thru this morning and this girl was complaining about it being cold out, i was all "but there's no snow!" |
| 21:21.15 | EdibleText | SimonRaven, there has to be a little appreciation for the backronym Still In Development ;) |
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| 21:21.37 | bucky | Gnea, it snows in arizona |
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| 21:21.46 | Gnea | bucky: not in the southern half |
| 21:21.54 | deadcat | SimonRaven: hmm. i get libxft-dev: Depends: libxrender-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:21.56 | magyar | can anyone suggest a good webamil prog? |
| 21:21.59 | SimonRaven | wrongly backronymed ;) |
| 21:22.03 | Gnea | bucky: i'm from the north (NY, IL, WI) |
| 21:22.06 | SimonRaven | deadcat: so install it |
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| 21:22.20 | EdibleText | it was -9F in NE Pennsyltucky 2 days ago |
| 21:22.23 | EdibleText | brr |
| 21:22.27 | deadcat | SimonRaven: broken packages |
| 21:22.45 | blondie | it was 2C here today - freezing |
| 21:22.47 | SimonRaven | use aptitude to figure the deps out |
| 21:22.55 | bucky | Gnea, i like 114 degrees with a good wind out of the south.. feels like a convection oven |
| 21:22.57 | Gnea | heh, pennsyltucky |
| 21:23.16 | SimonRaven | you temperate climate people are wimps when it comes to cold :P |
| 21:23.21 | Gnea | bucky: yeah i'm diggin' it |
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| 21:23.52 | paulswm | SimonRaven: I have done winters in Chicago and Michigan amongst other places, I paid my dues :) |
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| 21:24.02 | deadcat | SimonRaven: libxrender-dev: Depends: libxrender1 (= 1:0.9.0-2) but 1:0.9.0+CVS20050905-1 is to be installed |
| 21:24.17 | chasmarang | why can't I sync nautilus with swf files in that folder? |
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| 21:24.31 | SimonRaven | oh, you get direct arctic air then, right down the old lake agazziz valley |
| 21:24.32 | jfl | Hi all! I'm currently using AMD64/testing port and I'd like to know if the ADM64/unstable is usable or it's too much unstable? Is it that unstable that my machine gonna crash every day? I want to use unstable because I need kernel 2.6.14... |
| 21:24.46 | SimonRaven | !dict agaziz |
| 21:24.47 | dpkg | could not find definition for agaziz |
| 21:24.51 | SimonRaven | !dict agazziz |
| 21:24.53 | dpkg | could not find definition for agazziz |
| 21:25.04 | deadcat | SimonRaven: can you help me compile slim on ppc? (= |
| 21:25.14 | Gnea | jfl: i'm using it, but not as a desktop |
| 21:25.36 | SimonRaven | ok, 2 s, not 2 z |
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| 21:25.57 | deadcat | k |
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| 21:26.02 | jfl | Gnea: ok... would it be ok as desktop too? Is it ok without desktop? Any problems? |
| 21:26.07 | SimonRaven | oh, 1 z... |
| 21:26.25 | Gnea | jfl: there's some missing packages but it'd be trivial to setup a 32bit layer |
| 21:26.35 | deadcat | SimonRaven: http://download.berlios.de/slim/slim-1.2.3.tar.gz |
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| 21:27.02 | Gnea | SimonRaven: it's a DM |
| 21:27.33 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 21:27.53 | SerajewelKS | will `dpkg -l \* | grep ^i` show all installed packages? |
| 21:27.55 | deadcat | SimonRaven: login manager. brb. reboot laptop. kernel BUG in radix_tree_insert. |
| 21:28.18 | chasmarang | Gnea: Why can't I sync nautilus with swf files in that folder? |
| 21:28.25 | jfl | If I want to change from testing to unstable, what do I do? Just change "testing" by "unstable" in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:28.25 | SimonRaven | grep '^.i' |
| 21:28.50 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you had it right the first time |
| 21:28.51 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: how's that |
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| 21:29.07 | Gnea | chasmarang: huh? |
| 21:29.08 | devicenull | I've got a cron job running and I dont know how to get rid of it |
| 21:29.14 | SimonRaven | it'll catch on hold stuff |
| 21:29.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: what? that was the first time.. the only time |
| 21:29.21 | Gnea | devicenull: crontab -e |
| 21:29.35 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: sorry, mis-read SimonRaven's response as you |
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| 21:29.42 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: ah |
| 21:30.06 | devicenull | nothings in it gnea |
| 21:30.09 | SimonRaven | eh, it's got a really bad PATH in the conf, it includes ./ |
| 21:30.10 | chasmarang | Gnea: Nautilus crashes everytime with any folder that has swf files in them |
| 21:30.21 | Gnea | devicenull: who's it running as |
| 21:30.24 | silvinho | jfl: yeah that and apt-get dist-upgrade i beleive |
| 21:30.26 | SimonRaven | gonna have to patch that |
| 21:30.28 | devicenull | oh found it |
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| 21:30.30 | devicenull | wrong user |
| 21:30.34 | Gnea | chasmarang: nautilus sucks, that's nothing new :) |
| 21:30.42 | chasmarang | lol |
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| 21:30.58 | chasmarang | nothing I can do |
| 21:31.04 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: you sure it's not ^.i ? |
| 21:31.06 | Gnea | don't use nautilus |
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| 21:31.13 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: that showed one more package installed for me, and it was installed |
| 21:31.19 | chasmarang | what can I use |
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| 21:31.35 | secher | Ok, what am I missing? I've got linux-sound-base, alsa-base, alsa-utils, esound. I still have no /dev/dsp. Ideas? |
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| 21:31.45 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i only notice a difference of 1 package if i don't use ^.i |
| 21:32.10 | chasmarang | Gnea: what can I use |
| 21:32.25 | secher | or is there a mets package I should use? |
| 21:32.30 | Gnea | chasmarang: gmc, rox.. |
| 21:32.32 | secher | s/mets/meta |
| 21:32.44 | Gnea | chasmarang: konqueror... |
| 21:32.55 | paulswm | charzero: terminal... |
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| 21:33.03 | SimonRaven | deadcat: i'm starting to debianise it |
| 21:33.07 | paulswm | charzero: sry, wrong nick |
| 21:33.13 | chasmarang | Gnea: thanx |
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| 21:34.09 | deadcat | SimonRaven: thanks (= |
| 21:34.18 | deadcat | SimonRaven: checkinstall? |
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| 21:34.41 | SimonRaven | no, full on debian/ dir |
| 21:34.57 | deadcat | SimonRaven: how? i only know checkinstall |
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| 21:35.15 | SimonRaven | dh_make, then edit files |
| 21:35.23 | deadcat | SimonRaven: nice |
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| 21:36.28 | burnt-toast | does anyone know of a way to provide an "answer" file for a package when you install it using apt or dselect or dpkg ? |
| 21:36.31 | deadcat | SimonRaven: holly crap. so thats how they do it (= |
| 21:36.52 | paulswm | Writing to Santa is all very well but he still hasn't brought me Jennifer Love Hewitt |
| 21:36.56 | SimonRaven | well, apparently dh_make is deprecated, dunno what's current |
| 21:37.13 | deadcat | SimonRaven: SHIT. i just learn it and its deprecated? |
| 21:37.29 | NichtMued | paulswm: How would you like her? Medium? |
| 21:37.30 | burnt-toast | I want to use an post-install script on my machines that I create but I cant find information on "answer" files for debian installations... (new to this but know how to make basic scripts) |
| 21:37.39 | bucky | ding dong.. debhelper's dead |
| 21:37.48 | deadcat | paulswm: hes from anartica right? |
| 21:37.52 | SimonRaven | i could be wrong :) |
| 21:38.01 | SimonRaven | bucky: bot? |
| 21:38.17 | paulswm | NichtMued: Just like she is in "Ghost Whisperer" would do fine |
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| 21:38.50 | paulswm | deadcat: The North Pole, in other words slightly north of SimonRaven :P |
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| 21:39.05 | deadcat | paulswm: oh ya. thats where he was from (= |
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| 21:39.31 | NichtMued | paulswm: I took a look at some pics. Beautiful. |
| 21:40.00 | bucky | the package making tools are undergoing a big change.. yippee |
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| 21:40.28 | deadcat | NichtMued: before or after the sex change? |
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| 21:40.52 | deadcat | SimonRaven: can you also put the init script in there too? |
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| 21:41.05 | SimonRaven | going to |
| 21:41.07 | NichtMued | deadcat: *g* I presume this depends on your personal sexual desires and preferences... |
| 21:41.11 | deadcat | SimonRaven: nice nice nice |
| 21:41.29 | Walzmyn | Anyone got a minute to help me with some printer networking issues? |
| 21:41.32 | deadcat | NichtMued: what. you dont know? jennifer love hewitt's real sex? |
| 21:41.53 | NichtMued | deadcat: No. I just picture-googled her - that's all. |
| 21:41.55 | deadcat | Walzmyn: try telnet |
| 21:42.03 | SimonRaven | let me do it, ok? :) i can't work if you keep pinging me ;) |
| 21:42.04 | Walzmyn | dadcat I think you meant real sexy |
| 21:42.11 | deadcat | NichtMued: nevermind. obviously you dont watch family guy |
| 21:42.15 | NichtMued | deadcat: I love my wife. That's fine for me :-) |
| 21:42.17 | deadcat | Walzmyn: nope |
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| 21:42.24 | Walzmyn | deadcat what is telnet? |
| 21:42.30 | deadcat | NichtMued: the hell you talking about? |
| 21:42.37 | deadcat | Walzmyn: telnet is a command/program |
| 21:43.11 | Walzmyn | deadcat will I get help there or will it fix my printer? |
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| 21:43.46 | deadcat | Walzmyn: you never ask the question. so i just guess. |
| 21:43.51 | Gnea | Walzmyn: check the print cartridge, maybe it's dry |
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| 21:44.25 | Walzmyn | What I have: An Hp deskjet plugged into my linux box (USB) working perfectly. Wife's XP laptop can see the printer through network (and has installed drivers, auto) but says ?access denied? |
| 21:44.25 | Walzmyn | What I need: To know how to give permission for her XP box to use printer |
| 21:44.35 | deadcat | SimonRaven: after dh_make, edit files, you dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc? |
| 21:44.52 | Gnea | Walzmyn: using samba, right? |
| 21:45.00 | Walzmyn | I don't think so |
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| 21:45.11 | Gnea | then how does her xp system see it on the network? |
| 21:45.15 | Walzmyn | I've been told to and not to use samba |
| 21:45.15 | deadcat | Walzmyn: cups running? |
| 21:45.19 | Walzmyn | Best I can tell it's not working |
| 21:45.22 | Walzmyn | cups is running |
| 21:45.30 | Groundy | q: I'm in the middle of running apt-get upgrade for testing, and libfs6 is taking aaaaages to install, also it doesn't seem to be using any CPU, has it hung, what can I check? (checked ps and top) |
| 21:45.35 | Gnea | ok |
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| 21:45.45 | Gnea | Walzmyn: then you need to tell cups to allow her IP address to print |
| 21:46.19 | Walzmyn | IP address! ah! I kept trying to work with her winders user/pw |
| 21:46.29 | Gnea | rofl |
| 21:46.30 | Walzmyn | Ok, i'll give that a whirl. Thank you |
| 21:46.36 | Gnea | np |
| 21:46.43 | burnt-toast | Groundy: you are running this frm a terminal and not in kde or gnome right? |
| 21:46.54 | Groundy | burnt-toast: yea, under screen (via ssh) |
| 21:46.54 | andyoutside | What video driver do you use for xserver if you have a build in vga port? |
| 21:46.55 | toresbe | that can be set up to work too, but yeah, IP whitelisting good |
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| 21:47.27 | Groundy | burnt-toast: X is all shutdown, because this is a server not a desktop |
| 21:47.38 | Gnea | andyoutside: depends on the chipset being used. find out with lspci | grep VGA |
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| 21:47.40 | NichtMued | Gnea: How can I talk directly from a Windows client to cups running on a linux box? I mean without using Samba? |
| 21:47.52 | Groundy | burnt-toast: so I'm guessing it _might_ be hung looking for the font server? |
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| 21:48.26 | Gnea | NichtMued: there's a howto that details that on www.tldp.org and i think www.cups.org has documentation on it too |
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| 21:48.39 | NichtMued | Gnea: Sorry then. I'll RTFM. |
| 21:48.50 | burnt-toast | Groundy: hmm normally I would try to press ctrl-c to break the install and then re-issue the previous command it will pick up where it left off (in my experience) yeah I have had a bunch of problems with apt lately all in all |
| 21:48.52 | Gnea | NichtMued: www.tldp.org is a great source :) |
| 21:49.06 | NichtMued | Gnea: And which approach do you recommend? With or without Samba? |
| 21:49.07 | goron | How can I build a kernel *without* an initrd image and that boots at the same time? I am using EXT3 for my boot partition. |
| 21:49.12 | burnt-toast | Groundy: but that will kill your screen session |
| 21:49.31 | Groundy | burnt-toast: naah, it'll just kill apt-get upgrade |
| 21:49.49 | goron | (I am already building the kernel The Debian Way) |
| 21:49.50 | Gumby | goron: you must include any module that is needed for your root partition to boot loaded into the kernel |
| 21:49.50 | benjamindees | goron, build the necessary drivers into the kernel, ide, ext-2/3, etc |
| 21:49.54 | Gnea | NichtMued: it all depends - samba is a bit more of a PITA if you don't already have the drivers installed on the wintendo system(s) - there's a way to automate that, but i still haven't gotten it to work right :/ |
| 21:50.01 | burnt-toast | Groundy: ok i guess it depends on what machine the escape character is sent to :-P |
| 21:50.04 | Groundy | burnt-toast: the box is normally pretty slow, but I think it's been stuck here for a while, |
| 21:50.13 | Groundy | burnt-toast: yep, |
| 21:50.16 | Walzmyn | useing IP address didn't work, printer access still denied "unable to connect" |
| 21:50.20 | burnt-toast | Groundy: yeah I would kill apt and try it again |
| 21:50.20 | Groundy | burnt-toast: well, it's actually putty locally |
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| 21:50.31 | Gnea | Walzmyn: you restarted cups? |
| 21:50.39 | Groundy | burnt-toast: okay, ctlr-c'ing apt.... |
| 21:50.42 | Walzmyn | eerr, no |
| 21:50.45 | goron | Gumby: And how do I know I didn't miss anything? Or is the kernel configuration not so sophisticated? |
| 21:50.46 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:51.08 | burnt-toast | anyone know how to automate installation and configuration of various packages using a script |
| 21:51.10 | burnt-toast | ? |
| 21:51.23 | Gumby | goron: if you've missed something you'll get a kernel panic |
| 21:51.32 | Groundy | burnt-toast: I thought that was part of dpkg-build? |
| 21:51.38 | goron | Gumby: I meant without rebooting ofcourse... |
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| 21:51.45 | goron | er of course |
| 21:51.46 | Walzmyn | restarted cups, still no lovin'. - i'm hitting 'refresh' on the XP box, would I need to reboot it? |
| 21:51.49 | Gumby | goron: I am sure google has lots of info on the specific modules you'll need |
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| 21:51.59 | Groundy | burnt-toast: ooohh, ctrl-c kicked it to the next package!! |
| 21:52.07 | Gnea | Walzmyn: doubtful - what do the logfiles have to say? |
| 21:52.18 | burnt-toast | Groundy: that tells me it was waiting on something like a server response |
| 21:52.26 | Groundy | burnt-toast: yea |
| 21:52.28 | jjazz | NichtMued, for sharing a printer witha win box, the easiest method is via IPP, but the user won't be able to see the printer on the network. He'll have to know the address and add it manually. |
| 21:52.31 | Walzmyn | gnea : where would the be |
| 21:52.38 | Gnea | Walzmyn: /var/log/cups/ |
| 21:52.49 | jjazz | NichtMued, at least, that's how it's been when I've done it. I don't claim to be an expert. |
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| 21:53.15 | andyoutside | gmea: ok I got silicon intergated system psis} 5597/5598/6326 VGA (rev 68) |
| 21:53.23 | Groundy | burnt-toast: there's a build-tools package, have you got that? |
| 21:53.28 | burnt-toast | Groundy: if I was building a package dpkg-build would be right... I want to make a script to auto-install packages I like and set them up the way I want. |
| 21:53.33 | Gnea | andyoutside: so it's a SiS |
| 21:53.35 | Walzmyn | gnea there's a bunch in here, what am i looking for? |
| 21:53.43 | burnt-toast | in case I hose my machine or inherit another one |
| 21:53.55 | Gnea | Walzmyn: anything that's not gzip'd |
| 21:53.58 | andyoutside | k |
| 21:54.14 | Groundy | burnt-toast: so buildd isn't what you want? |
| 21:54.36 | burnt-toast | base installation would be handled by the regular debian netinst cd... I just want a post-post-install script I can run on a machine to customize it the way I want |
| 21:54.45 | burnt-toast | buildd... lemme look that up a sec |
| 21:55.11 | Groundy | buildd is more about auto building packages on your machine |
| 21:55.19 | Walzmyn | gnea this line is repeated a few hundred times: localhost - - [17/Dec/2005:04:29:53 -0500] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 131 |
| 21:55.51 | Groundy | burnt-toast: now I have "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly", so let's restart the whole shebang |
| 21:55.52 | burnt-toast | default package compiles are ok... I just want to have like an "answers" file for debian to use while installing packages |
| 21:56.04 | burnt-toast | yup thats the line |
| 21:56.12 | Gnea | Walzmyn: 200 is good - that means it's not a 404 ;) try tail -f <logfile> while trying to print from the xp system and pay attention to the logfiles as it's happening - it'll show the logs in realtime |
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| 21:56.23 | Groundy | burnt-toast: I think deb-conf is what you're thinking of |
| 21:56.59 | Groundy | burnt-toast: check out http://www.debconf.org/ maybe? |
| 21:57.04 | Walzmyn | gnea can't do anything from the xp sys. in the printer window it says the printer is denied and won't let you even try to print |
| 21:57.08 | NichtMued | jjazz: And your solution realizes a printer queue? I mean the Linux print server is able to synchronize jobs coming from different hosts? |
| 21:57.13 | Groundy | burnt-toast: pfft, now I have to `dpkg --configure -a` |
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| 21:57.26 | burnt-toast | or apt-get -f install maybe |
| 21:57.27 | Groundy | burnt-toast: lol, that url, isn't quite right :-P |
| 21:57.32 | Gnea | Walzmyn: that's fine, what do the logfiles on the linux side have to say about it? |
| 21:57.48 | Walzmyn | gnea that's what I just showed you |
| 21:57.50 | Groundy | burnt-toast: well, I arrow-up, enter'ed and it told me to run dpkg line, so that's what I'm doing |
| 21:57.56 | Gnea | Walzmyn: okay |
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| 21:57.58 | burnt-toast | ahh |
| 21:58.09 | Gnea | Walzmyn: what do you have set as the address location on the xp machine? |
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| 21:58.34 | bucky | meet you in Oaxtepec |
| 21:58.37 | Walzmyn | gnea i'm not sure |
| 21:58.58 | Gnea | Walzmyn: well, you told the xp system that the linux printer server was *something* |
| 21:59.10 | Walzmyn | gnea oh, i follow now. lemme check |
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| 21:59.13 | Jacky^ | hi all |
| 21:59.18 | Gnea | :) |
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| 22:00.09 | Jacky^ | for some strange reason Kde dont work in Sid: k3b: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave, klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'file'. |
| 22:00.37 | Jacky^ | I did apt-get update/upgrade |
| 22:00.39 | Gnea | Jacky^: did you just upgrade/install? |
| 22:00.50 | Gnea | Jacky^: while running X? |
| 22:00.54 | Walzmyn | gnea : hmm, it dosen't have an intry in the location line |
| 22:01.00 | Jacky^ | I also tried apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:01.09 | Jacky^ | get no luck |
| 22:01.29 | Jacky^ | Gnea: just when I run some kde app |
| 22:01.38 | Gnea | Walzmyn: ah ha - so whatever you set the cups server up as (ipp maybe?) is what it should be set to |
| 22:01.40 | Walzmyn | gnea but XP found it through the network and installed drivers for it |
| 22:01.41 | Jacky^ | like Konqueror, K3b etc. |
| 22:01.58 | Gnea | Walzmyn: interesting |
| 22:02.01 | Walzmyn | gnea we'll give that a try |
| 22:02.11 | Gnea | Jacky^: but have you quit X since the upgrade? |
| 22:02.34 | Groundy | burnt-toast: I read a review on "The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques", it sound like an awesome book |
| 22:02.39 | nimak2 | where does gdm keep themes? |
| 22:02.42 | Jacky^ | Gnea: I did the upgrade days ago, for what I remember I reboot many times |
| 22:02.54 | Groundy | burnt-toast: http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian |
| 22:03.47 | nimak2 | nevermind, i found it |
| 22:03.50 | bucky | Walzmyn, http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html |
| 22:04.12 | Groundy | burnt-toast: http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5779 |
| 22:04.17 | Jacky^ | Gnea: I guess my issue is a Kde libs mix, but how is possible ? |
| 22:04.23 | burnt-toast | ok i have a much easier question... does anyone know how to pre-answer questions for a .deb package while you are installing it? i.e. dpkg -i mypackage,deb --users=2 --somequestion=4 --question2=answer |
| 22:04.48 | Walzmyn | gnea got the ipp locatin entered in and nothing changed |
| 22:05.01 | Walzmyn | bucky i've read so much stuff about cups my eyes are bleeding |
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| 22:05.12 | Groundy | burnt-toast: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.templates |
| 22:05.46 | Gnea | Walzmyn: hrm i'm not sure then :/ |
| 22:06.04 | Gnea | Walzmyn: tried #cups? |
| 22:06.22 | Walzmyn | bucky : how well does this fedora manual work wiht debain? |
| 22:06.40 | Walzmyn | gnea didn't know there was one. i'm pretty new here. I just abandoned winders a few months ago |
| 22:07.07 | Gnea | Walzmyn: cool, well keep it up, it can get rough |
| 22:07.19 | nimak2 | hurray for abandoning winders |
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| 22:08.18 | Walzmyn | gnea hehe. if swaping the USB cable for the printer is my worse problem i'm never going back to winders |
| 22:08.34 | bucky | Walzmyn, is the printer hosted on your debian box? |
| 22:08.58 | Walzmyn | bucky yes, other computer is a wireless laptop runing xp home |
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| 22:09.24 | bucky | Walzmyn, at the bottom of that page ^^ is the debian instructions for that |
| 22:09.39 | Walzmyn | gnea hey, on the ip addresses allowed. can you do a range with that instead of a specific address? |
| 22:09.48 | Walzmyn | bucky ok |
| 22:09.59 | thewayofzen | when i jump on firefox and go to download debians two install disks from the torrent listings.. i get 14 torrents for the latest debian release. which of these do i need? the first two?? |
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| 22:10.43 | andyoutside | how do you mount a usb flash dirve? |
| 22:10.44 | mandioca | for most desktops, this is enough, thewayofzen |
| 22:11.08 | thewayofzen | mandioca, im running ubuntu now.. and cannot see why i would need a 14 disc install :) |
| 22:11.08 | jjazz | andyoutside, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/mountpoint |
| 22:11.23 | jjazz | andyoutside, might be sda2, depending on which usb port you're plugged into |
| 22:11.44 | thewayofzen | mandioca, would u suggest grabbing a few others? it seems odd that torrent wise there are that many and in the http/ftp downloads there are simply two isos |
| 22:11.48 | jjazz | thewayofzen, you don't need 14 disks |
| 22:11.52 | andyoutside | it is ntfs not fat |
| 22:11.59 | testtesttesting | When I run: 'm-a a-i nvidia', I get an error message: "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." <-- can someone help me out getting this working? |
| 22:12.01 | mandioca | there are ALOT of programs on debian, much of them are for very specific tasks, thewayofzen |
| 22:12.06 | andyoutside | what do I need to change |
| 22:12.10 | jjazz | thewayofzen, get the net install disk image (it's like 40 megs), burn it, and the download via apt as needed |
| 22:12.27 | blondie | er linux can handle SATA drives being hotswapped right? assuming you unmount first |
| 22:12.38 | thewayofzen | jjazz, i seem to remember having problems with the net install image i forget why |
| 22:12.39 | Groundy | blondie: isn't that hardware dependant? |
| 22:12.41 | jjazz | andyoutside, I'm guessing it's mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 mountpoint |
| 22:12.42 | mandioca | maybe you talking about dvd isos in http? |
| 22:12.52 | andyoutside | ty |
| 22:12.52 | blondie | Groundy: SATA supports hot swap |
| 22:13.40 | jjazz | thewayofzen, that's way too vague a complaint for anybody to help you with. But if you're shy of netinst, get the bizcard. Or else grab the first disk or two from the full install. I'd go with the bizcard, though... much quicker. |
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| 22:14.07 | thewayofzen | jjazz, its not a complaint just a statement. just wanted to know which of the torretns i needed is all |
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| 22:14.50 | Groundy | blondie: is your sata controller recognised as sata or scsi? |
| 22:14.55 | jjazz | thewayofzen, yes, but if you don't really remember why the netinst didn't work, it's hard for anybody to know how to tell you which torrent you need... which kinda leaves you stuck getting large ISO images for safety |
| 22:14.57 | deepspace | OK I'm really confused. I compiled my sound driver as a module and it loads upon startup. I don't want it to load at startup. I want to modprobe it manually. I grepped in /etc for the module name and I can't see any scripts which are loading it at startup. Can someone suggest where else I might look to stop this module from loading? |
| 22:15.47 | mandioca | what programs do you need, thewayofzen? |
| 22:15.51 | testtesttesting | When I run: 'm-a a-i nvidia', I get an error message: "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." <-- can someone help me out getting this working? |
| 22:16.20 | mandioca | is it for a desktop machine, thewayofzen? |
| 22:16.32 | thingfish | testtesttesting: you need to add contrib and non-free to your sources.list. |
| 22:16.32 | Eulex | testtesttesting, try apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source and see what it says... |
| 22:16.50 | testtesttesting | Where is sources.list? |
| 22:16.58 | Eulex | testtesttesting, umh, ignore me and follow the advice of thingfish |
| 22:17.01 | thingfish | testtesttesting: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:17.07 | NichtMued | deepspace: maybe discover? |
| 22:17.12 | goron | I have installed the nvidia driver, but I went to xorg, and while I am now using nvidia(the driver), xorg crashes when I run glxgears. |
| 22:17.16 | Groundy | blondie: ""Also it is important to note that not all SATA Host Adapters support Hot-Swap and without that ability the drive can only be removed when the computer is turned off."" |
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| 22:17.44 | thewayofzen | mandioca, correct. im basically looking for something along the lines of ubuntu that im currently running but i want to run unstable |
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| 22:18.07 | testtesttesting | thingfish, what *exactly* do I add to sources.list? |
| 22:18.17 | mandioca | 3 cds may be enough, thewayofzen |
| 22:18.31 | thingfish | testtesttesting: you will notice in that file that you have a line similar to deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 22:18.33 | thewayofzen | kk |
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| 22:18.35 | deepspace | NichtMued, looking.. |
| 22:19.05 | Eulex | thewayofzen, have you got extensive knowledge of the apt packaging system and how to unbreak things when things break? (which they often do in unstable) |
| 22:19.11 | testtesttesting | Yah.. |
| 22:19.17 | testtesttesting | I have 3 of the |
| 22:19.18 | thingfish | testtesttesting: you may have a number of lines in that file; several of the lines will end with 'main' |
| 22:19.30 | testtesttesting | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main |
| 22:19.33 | testtesttesting | Is my main one |
| 22:19.44 | thingfish | testtesttesting: well simply add 'contrib' and 'non-free' after 'main'. |
| 22:19.57 | blondie | Groundy: I don't have one yet |
| 22:19.59 | thingfish | so it reads stable main contrib non-free |
| 22:20.17 | Groundy | blondie: I was reading the pdf on http://www.granitedigital.com/catalog/pg51_hot-swapinternalsystem.htm |
| 22:20.21 | thingfish | testtesttesting: repeat that for the other two lines too. |
| 22:20.47 | Groundy | blondie: but that's just the bay, the controller still need to support the hotswap |
| 22:21.15 | testtesttesting | thingfish, it still doesn't work >< |
| 22:21.30 | thingfish | testtesttesting: you must do apt-get update before anything. |
| 22:21.34 | testtesttesting | ah |
| 22:21.47 | Eulex | thewayofzen, if not, run testing or stable. |
| 22:22.04 | thingfish | testtesttesting: once you edit /etc/apt/sources.list, you must run apt-get update to affect the changes. |
| 22:22.29 | mandioca | thewayofzen, if tou have internet connection, i advice you to download the first 2 isos, and, if there's something missing, install it by apt-get |
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| 22:23.16 | testtesttesting | Thanks thingfish I'm updating now. |
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| 22:24.38 | testtesttesting | It's working thingfish :) |
| 22:24.43 | thingfish | yay! |
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| 22:25.27 | testtesttesting | Now I will have a nvidia driver for my compy! |
| 22:25.42 | jjazz | Is writing to ntfs partitions supported? I have some recollection that it was problematic, and I'm wondering if that is still the case. Thanks. |
| 22:26.06 | thingfish | testtesttesting: you will need to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and select 'nvidia'. |
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| 22:26.16 | nprice | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:26.19 | nprice | whoops |
| 22:26.19 | thingfish | testtesttesting: then restart X, and you should be good. |
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| 22:26.26 | cdemwell | Hi |
| 22:26.31 | Yem | hi |
| 22:26.32 | jjazz | nprice, ha! Gave yourself away! |
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| 22:26.39 | cdemwell | I'm having some LVM issues that are really odd, I'm hoping someone knows what's up: |
| 22:26.41 | testtesttesting | thingfish, thanks :) |
| 22:26.48 | nprice | hehe |
| 22:26.49 | cdemwell | The other day I started migrating to a new SATA drive |
| 22:26.53 | blondie | Groundy: I think all SATA devices are meant to support hot swap (like USB does) |
| 22:26.57 | thingfish | you're welcome, testtesttesting. |
| 22:27.06 | cdemwell | made an LVM partition on it, pvcreated a PV on it, all was good |
| 22:27.09 | Groundy | blondie: by the sounds of it, some of them might not |
| 22:27.22 | cdemwell | added to the VG and removed the old PV from the VG. All was good |
| 22:27.39 | cdemwell | now, I had a bunch more extents sitting in the new PV, so I added a new LV to the VG. |
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| 22:27.49 | cdemwell | Everything was fine. I moved data to it |
| 22:27.57 | cdemwell | Later, when I rebooted, it wouldn't mount |
| 22:28.08 | cdemwell | oops, I missed some steps that I went through |
| 22:28.36 | cdemwell | I had forgotten to make a partition on the new drive, so I shuffled things around after lvresizing |
| 22:28.40 | testtesttesting | By the way, one more question. I'm using a usb mouse. But I have it in a usb->ps2 adapter. ANd it's plugged into my ps2 port. Which moues device am I using? All I know is that it isn't /dev/input/mice |
| 22:28.47 | testtesttesting | And I want to have it scrolling too. |
| 22:28.59 | cdemwell | anyhow, now I get in dmesg: device-mapper: device /dev/sda5 too small for target |
| 22:28.59 | cdemwell | device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed |
| 22:28.59 | cdemwell | device-mapper: error adding target to table |
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| 22:29.08 | cdemwell | help! |
| 22:29.35 | cdemwell | testmachine: /dev/psaux? |
| 22:29.52 | cdemwell | the scrolling thing isn't too bad, just tell X it's an intellimouse and the zaxismapping should be 4 5 |
| 22:29.59 | testtesttesting | What about "Please choose the entry that best describes your mouse." |
| 22:30.11 | testtesttesting | I have no idea what type it is. |
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| 22:30.23 | cdemwell | I've no idea, I just configure the file myself |
| 22:30.31 | cdemwell | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.33 | thingfish | testtesttesting: usually one picks /dev/input/mice |
| 22:30.41 | thingfish | is that an option? |
| 22:30.45 | testtesttesting | "PS/2" "ImPS/2" "GlidePointPS/2" "NetMousePS/2" "NetScrollPS/2" "ThinkingMousePS/2" "MouseManPlusPS/2" "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 22:30.59 | cdemwell | well I suppose it depends. I use ExplorerPS/2 |
| 22:30.59 | testtesttesting | /dev/input/mice is an option, but when I try to start x it doesn't pick it up. |
| 22:31.13 | testtesttesting | What's the differences between the mouse types like ExplorerPS/2 etc |
| 22:31.15 | cdemwell | is your mouse listed in dmesg ? |
| 22:31.45 | thingfish | I use a PS/2 converter as well, MS intellimouse, and it works great as /dev/input/mice |
| 22:32.21 | testtesttesting | I don't think my mouse is listed in dmesg. Or not that I can see. |
| 22:32.28 | testtesttesting | Mine is a Logitech mouse |
| 22:32.31 | testtesttesting | If that helps. |
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| 22:33.26 | thingfish | testtesttesting: what does dmesg | grep input say? |
| 22:33.38 | testtesttesting | nothing |
| 22:33.58 | cdemwell | testtesttesting: Is this a Debian kernel, or custom? |
| 22:34.01 | thingfish | you have another mouse you can plug in and try? |
| 22:34.11 | testtesttesting | Debian kernel.. I'm running stable. I just installed the nvidia driver though. |
| 22:34.12 | Aim_Here | or the same mouse in a USB slot? |
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| 22:34.22 | testtesttesting | All my USB slots are full >< |
| 22:34.27 | cdemwell | remove something. |
| 22:34.28 | Aim_Here | Ca |
| 22:34.36 | thingfish | yeah, you need to try, testtesttesting. |
| 22:34.41 | Aim_Here | Yeah, there must be SOMETHING you can live without for a couple minutes |
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| 22:35.10 | thingfish | or get more USB slots. |
| 22:35.38 | testtesttesting | Ok, I plugged it into the USB slot and removed my external dvd burner |
| 22:35.39 | cdemwell | hubs aren't super expensive. |
| 22:35.43 | cdemwell | good idea. |
| 22:35.51 | cdemwell | so run dmesg | tail |
| 22:35.52 | thingfish | they're real cheap, in fact. |
| 22:35.53 | Aim_Here | Intellimouse should be ImPS2 |
| 22:36.16 | testtesttesting | dmesg | grep input says: input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb1:4.0 |
| 22:36.22 | cdemwell | yay |
| 22:36.23 | thingfish | yay |
| 22:36.27 | cdemwell | your mouse, she works |
| 22:36.27 | Skrot | Hi. Does linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 contain inotify? |
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| 22:36.34 | testtesttesting | Which model is she? |
| 22:36.55 | cdemwell | Skrot: good question, I don't know but I can tell you how to find out |
| 22:37.58 | cdemwell | Skrot: grep NOTIFY /boot/config-2.6.14* |
| 22:38.19 | Walzmyn | bucky, gnea I did everything that page said to, and it still won't print |
| 22:38.29 | baxxter | hi guys. I have a debian sarge who thinks (upon boot) that it is testing/unstable. all the .deb sources are stable (were unstable before), the kernel is 2.4 and nothing works. Is there an intelligent way to fix this or do i need to reinstall to get a consistent system ? |
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| 22:39.03 | testtesttesting | Which model is my mouse? >< |
| 22:39.14 | cdemwell | how should I know, testtesttesting? |
| 22:39.22 | cdemwell | baxxter: what do you mean, "thinks"? |
| 22:39.24 | testtesttesting | I dunno. |
| 22:39.34 | Skrot | cdemwell: I haven't got it installed. I want to install it if it has inotify :) |
| 22:39.35 | testtesttesting | And is it safe to plug it back into the ps2 converter now? |
| 22:39.40 | Walzmyn | turn it over and read the bottom |
| 22:39.42 | cdemwell | Skrot: oh, I have no idea then |
| 22:39.44 | SimonRaven | your reading comprehension sucks, doesn't it |
| 22:39.57 | cdemwell | Skrot: Install it, grep, then uninstall it if CONFIG_DNOTIFY=n |
| 22:39.59 | baxxter | cdemwell, during boot it says debian unstable/testing. |
| 22:40.04 | cdemwell | hmmm |
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| 22:40.07 | deadcat | SimonRaven: built? |
| 22:40.07 | Skrot | cdemwell: Using 2.6.12 now. And I belive inotify was imported as part of the kernel in 2.6.13 :) |
| 22:40.13 | SimonRaven | no |
| 22:40.18 | cdemwell | baxxter: do you have unstable/testing sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:40.19 | thingfish | testtesttesting: you are not supposed to remove/attach PS/2 devices while booted, actually. |
| 22:40.25 | mandioca | testesttesting, chosse ImPS/2. |
| 22:40.33 | cdemwell | Skrot: Same advice stands. |
| 22:40.33 | Skrot | cdemwell: Surely there must be someone in here who uses 2.6.13 or 2.6.14 from apt who could check for me :) |
| 22:40.44 | cdemwell | Well, I don't. I only speak for me. |
| 22:40.49 | Skrot | yupp |
| 22:40.49 | Aim_Here | Perhaps he didn't remove the PS2 adapter, just the USB mouse ;) |
| 22:40.58 | cdemwell | oops |
| 22:41.01 | Yem | does anybody know what to write in the <options> column of my /etc/fstab file to prevent my /dev/hda4 from booting at startup ? thx |
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| 22:41.14 | baxxter | cdemwell, i did, not anymore. i guess the upgrading went automatically while the back-down-grading did not and now the system sees itself as etch and is starving on sarge sources. would that make sense ? |
| 22:41.16 | cdemwell | Yem: I think you mean mounting, not booting |
| 22:41.16 | Aim_Here | Can't you go to kernel.org and grep changelogs Skrot? |
| 22:41.23 | cdemwell | and what you want, Yem, is "noauto" |
| 22:41.33 | Yem | cdemwell, yes, sorry |
| 22:41.33 | Walzmyn | yem noauto |
| 22:41.42 | Yem | ok thx |
| 22:41.47 | Skrot | Aim_Here: I could. But I know inotify was included as of 2.6.13, I just don't know if the debian kernel is compiled with it enabled/moduled :) |
| 22:41.48 | cdemwell | b34tn! |
| 22:41.59 | mandioca | testesttesting, Im almost sure that ImPS/2 is the protocol of your mouse |
| 22:42.04 | dvs | baxxter: You can't downgrade. You have to reinstall to get back to sarge |
| 22:42.07 | cdemwell | baxxter: what do you want to have, stable or unstable? |
| 22:42.15 | testtesttesting | k |
| 22:42.29 | testtesttesting | And I assume that I want "Emulate3Buttons" "no" right? |
| 22:42.30 | cdemwell | dvs: You can downgrade by downgrading each package by hand |
| 22:42.32 | testtesttesting | Like with BSD. |
| 22:42.34 | cdemwell | but that's... crazy. |
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| 22:42.41 | mandioca | no, testesttesting |
| 22:42.41 | dvs | cdemwell: yep |
| 22:42.43 | Aim_Here | Is that right, dvs? If the software isn't upgraded yet, surely he just sets his package manager to the sarge repository and it should work |
| 22:42.49 | baxxter | cdemwell, i don't particularly need stable. consistent unstable/testing (isn't there a difference?) would work fine for me. |
| 22:42.52 | bucky | Walzmyn, so how are the two computers networked together? |
| 22:42.54 | mandioca | chosse no |
| 22:42.56 | Aim_Here | Perhaps with an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:42.59 | mandioca | choose* |
| 22:43.01 | cdemwell | yes, there is a difference between testing and unstable |
| 22:43.02 | baxxter | dvs, i was afraid of that |
| 22:43.10 | baxxter | cdemwell, ok, thought so. |
| 22:43.17 | cdemwell | so you want to have testing, yes? |
| 22:43.19 | Aim_Here | testtesttesting, no, you probably don't need Emulate3Buttons |
| 22:43.25 | Walzmyn | bucky d-link router, desktop cabled in, laptop (xp box) is wireless |
| 22:43.26 | cdemwell | make sure there are testing sources in your sources.list |
| 22:43.35 | cdemwell | then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:43.38 | Aim_Here | testtesttesting, You probably want Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" though |
| 22:43.54 | baxxter | is there one single point where i can find out what state the system is in right now ? |
| 22:44.14 | Walzmyn | an atlas? |
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| 22:44.19 | thingfish | hahaha |
| 22:44.19 | bucky | Walzmyn, some routers won't let the two communicate.. can you ping your windows box |
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| 22:44.22 | baxxter | ;-) |
| 22:44.24 | dvs | baxxter: It's closer to testing now. |
| 22:44.26 | Aim_Here | baxxter, /proc/kcore probably ;) |
| 22:44.42 | deadcat | SimonRaven: if it uses init.d.ex, do i rename it to init.d? |
| 22:44.47 | [inside] | hi |
| 22:45.03 | Walzmyn | bucky the xp box found the printer over the network and installed the driver for it. and this all works great if i boot the desktop into winders |
| 22:45.20 | bucky | Walzmyn, can you ping your windows box |
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| 22:45.32 | Walzmyn | bucky just tried it, pinged fine |
| 22:45.59 | baxxter | cdemwell, will the dist-upgrade bless me with a 2.6 kernel as well ? |
| 22:46.12 | cdemwell | baxxter: I don't know, but aptitude will tell you |
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| 22:46.14 | Walzmyn | bucky the ping just keeps going, when will it stop? |
| 22:46.18 | dvs | baxxter: No, dist-upgrades don't install new kernels. |
| 22:46.21 | bucky | Walzmyn, and you added the printer with http://localhost:631 |
| 22:46.33 | bucky | Walzmyn, ctl-c |
| 22:46.37 | dvs | baxxter: Unless you have one of the pseudo packages like kernel-image-2.6-??? |
| 22:46.44 | baxxter | cdemwell, dvs thanks guys, will play around a bit and maybe report back. =) |
| 22:46.48 | baxxter | dvs, no, i don't |
| 22:46.52 | cdemwell | gl hf dd, baxxter |
| 22:46.57 | dvs | baxxter: Then it won't ;-) |
| 22:47.01 | Walzmyn | bucky no. i added it through KDE's kprint |
| 22:47.33 | bucky | Walzmyn, you didn't follow the instructions then |
| 22:47.38 | Walzmyn | bucky i just checked the localhost:631 it shows the printer and proter driver and all |
| 22:48.02 | SimonRaven | deadcat: i'm working on it now |
| 22:48.09 | testtesttesting | Is there a way for me to find out which resolution I'm currently running in X? |
| 22:48.16 | dvs | dpyinfo |
| 22:48.17 | Walzmyn | bucky why would I add a printer that is already there? |
| 22:48.20 | bucky | Walzmyn, can you print something on the debian box |
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| 22:48.29 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ya. but i just want to know if i want to use conffiles.ex do i rename it to conffiles ? |
| 22:48.30 | Walzmyn | bucky works perfectly on my box |
| 22:48.47 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 22:48.50 | Walzmyn | bucky just says "access denied" from the xp box |
| 22:48.52 | deadcat | ah |
| 22:48.54 | deadcat | thanks |
| 22:49.39 | bucky | Walzmyn, did you restart cups after changing the config/ |
| 22:49.47 | Walzmyn | bucky this time I did :) |
| 22:50.27 | deadcat | SimonRaven: you might want to change the config file with -audit 0 -nolisten tcp -f 0 in the xserver option |
| 22:51.07 | bucky | Walzmyn, In Windows XP use "Add Printer" to add a new network printer, selecting "Connect to a printer on the Internet", and using a URL of http://hostname:631/printers/RawPrinterQueueName? |
| 22:51.46 | Walzmyn | bucky k |
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| 22:53.11 | faheem_ | Suppose we have a uniform random number generator U. |
| 22:53.11 | faheem_ | \begin{align*} |
| 22:53.11 | faheem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.11 | faheem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.11 | faheem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.12 | faheem_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.23 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i dont get it. debian/conffiles contain what? |
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| 22:53.38 | Walzmyn | bucky getting a cannot connect bad address error |
| 22:54.18 | bucky | Walzmyn, did you put a hosts entry in your windows registry? |
| 22:54.22 | SimonRaven | deadcat: i'm working on it. let me work on it please |
| 22:54.26 | Walzmyn | bucky what is that address? |
| 22:54.29 | Walzmyn | bucky no |
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| 22:54.37 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ok. i;ll ask you wnhen you're done |
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| 22:55.21 | Jojosan | 'nite |
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| 22:57.04 | baxxter | heres another question for you cracks while my dist-upgrade is working: when i installed here, my usb was working. now it is not working anymore because udev is not available on my kernel version (2.4.xxx). my question: how can the usb functionality be automaticcally deinstalled? |
| 22:57.35 | Walzmyn | bucky what is the hosts entyr in the registry for? |
| 22:57.37 | cdemwell | I've no idea |
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| 22:57.54 | cdemwell | my solution: Join the rest of us in 2.6 |
| 22:57.57 | EdLin | baxxter: you should update your kernel to 2.6, etch and sid don't support 2.4 |
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| 22:58.16 | baxxter | EdLin, i will do just that as soon as i have the etch upgrade perfect =) |
| 22:58.25 | Anthro | Is there an easier way to tell a user's default shell from within a shell script than grepping and cutting /etc/passwd? |
| 22:58.28 | cdemwell | kernel upgrades are just not to be feared, baxxter |
| 22:58.38 | cdemwell | you don't have to remove the old one, just install the new one and boot off it |
| 22:58.49 | cdemwell | if it doesn't work, well... just pick a different option from Lilo |
| 22:59.17 | EdLin | or better than from lilo, from grub. :-) |
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| 22:59.25 | Walzmyn | What I have: An Hp deskjet plugged into my linux box (USB) working perfectly. Wife's XP laptop can see the printer through network (and has installed drivers, auto) but says ?access denied? |
| 22:59.25 | Walzmyn | What I need: To know how to give permission for her XP box to use printer |
| 22:59.27 | cdemwell | edlin: most people use lilo |
| 22:59.28 | mandioca | finger, anthro |
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| 22:59.31 | cdemwell | hence my instructions |
| 22:59.33 | baxxter | cdemwell, i know. =) i am not half the idiot i sound like. i have been running gentoo for 2 years ... switched to debian because the endless compiling got on my nerves. |
| 22:59.39 | EdLin | cdemwell: nonsense, Sarge installs grub |
| 22:59.48 | cdemwell | EdLin: I guess I'm old |
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| 22:59.53 | cdemwell | I'm used to the old installer |
| 23:00.01 | Anthro | mandioca: Not guaranteed to be installed. These days, it's actually pretty unlikely to be available. |
| 23:00.24 | cdemwell | does anyone here feel competent enough with LVM to help me with a strange problem? |
| 23:00.25 | EdLin | cdemwell: yes, I used lilo before Sarge, but grub is a lot better. |
| 23:00.29 | cdemwell | Agreed! |
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| 23:00.36 | Anthro | cdemwell: I can try |
| 23:00.40 | cdemwell | Anthro: Great |
| 23:00.45 | mandioca | hum.., anthro |
| 23:01.02 | cdemwell | the punch line is: device-mapper: device /dev/sda5 too small for target |
| 23:01.02 | cdemwell | device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed |
| 23:01.02 | cdemwell | device-mapper: error adding target to table |
| 23:01.05 | joe666 | hi there, I have this strange issue, every time I reboot the computer it says all ext2 filesystems have unexpected inconsitencies, somthing about a date in the future, is this a known bug or should I look somewhere else ? (Debian Sid, custom 2.6.13 kernel) |
| 23:01.20 | cdemwell | the way I got here is odd though |
| 23:01.22 | Anthro | cdemwell: First, what are you trying to do? |
| 23:01.25 | abrotman | joe666: how's the battery on your mobo ? |
| 23:01.28 | cdemwell | getting there, Anthro |
| 23:01.50 | cdemwell | I'm trying to mount this LV (/dev/mainvg/home) and move data around |
| 23:02.03 | joe666 | abrotman, is a Desktop |
| 23:02.07 | cdemwell | but it won't let me do anything with it, and doesn't even put the symlink for home into /dev/mainvg/ |
| 23:02.16 | abrotman | joe666: i know .. is the battery dead on the mobo ? |
| 23:02.25 | cdemwell | joe666: Desktop motherboards have small batteries to preserve BIOS data over poweroff |
| 23:02.34 | cdemwell | like a watch battery |
| 23:03.05 | joe666 | cdemwell, ok, got it, the thing is, if I do reboot again, it says nothing, but, I'll look ahead the BIOS date |
| 23:03.10 | cdemwell | Anthro: So I got here by moving extents from one drive to a new drive (sda is the target) |
| 23:03.13 | joe666 | abrotman, ok, let me check that, thanks |
| 23:03.22 | cdemwell | and then making a new LV in the new VG's free extents |
| 23:03.27 | Anthro | cdemwell: Oh, dear. How did you move extents? |
| 23:03.35 | abrotman | joe666: yes .. because the battery holds a charge .. for a few minutes .. but this happens when it's off over night/etc ? |
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| 23:03.36 | cdemwell | honestly, I used webmin |
| 23:03.42 | EdLin | !webmin |
| 23:03.43 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 23:04.02 | cdemwell | that's nice |
| 23:04.05 | cdemwell | moving along |
| 23:04.21 | Anthro | cdemwell: Er... so you don't know what happened under the covers. Oh, dear. |
| 23:04.23 | cdemwell | Anthro: I just added the new PV to the VG, then removed the old PV |
| 23:04.30 | cdemwell | I've done this before with no problems at all |
| 23:04.35 | cdemwell | I could dig up what happened, I think |
| 23:04.37 | Eulex | EdLin & dondelelcaro, umh, webmin doesn't even support ssl? |
| 23:04.41 | Anthro | cdemwell: Can you add the old PV back? |
| 23:04.42 | abrotman | webmin is for people who don't know what they're doing :) |
| 23:04.47 | cdemwell | Anthro: I can, and I have |
| 23:04.49 | cdemwell | doesn't help |
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| 23:04.58 | cdemwell | Anthro: I should point out that all my old LVs are just fine |
| 23:04.58 | EdLin | Eulex: don't ask me, I don't use webmin |
| 23:05.11 | cdemwell | abrotman: Webmin saves me a lot of typing time |
| 23:05.20 | abrotman | lazy windows admins |
| 23:05.24 | silvinho | webmin helps get you owned++ |
| 23:05.25 | cdemwell | excuse me? |
| 23:05.38 | cdemwell | silvinho: How? |
| 23:05.57 | cdemwell | abrotman: I'm a lazy linux admin, I guess. |
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| 23:06.18 | abrotman | oh good .. more lazy people running machines connected to the intarweb .. |
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| 23:06.55 | cdemwell | luckily I am only interested in figuring out how to fix this issue |
| 23:07.00 | Anthro | cdemwell: webmin is a good way to learn how to accomplish something from the commandline, if you watch what it does under the covers. It is a poor way to administer a machine. |
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| 23:07.11 | cdemwell | Anthro: Why? |
| 23:07.17 | Anthro | cdemwell: That said, let me think about your problem. |
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| 23:07.33 | cdemwell | I'm really interested to know what the problem is with using webmin to handle simple tasks. |
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| 23:07.47 | cdemwell | It's not like I rely on it to deal with firewall rules, security, etc |
| 23:07.53 | Anthro | cdemwell: At a minimum, because when something breaks and you go looking for help people point and laugh. Case in point: |
| 23:07.59 | Anthro | !pal cdemwell |
| 23:08.01 | cdemwell | yeah, that's a good point |
| 23:08.15 | cdemwell | Frankly though, it doesn't really make me feel bad |
| 23:08.15 | abrotman | or people just refuse to help |
| 23:08.25 | cdemwell | abrotman: Have fun not helping, then. |
| 23:08.33 | Mitar | which package is good for usb ups monitoring? |
| 23:08.38 | EdLin | !lose cdemwell |
| 23:08.38 | dpkg | cdemwell: You Lose. |
| 23:08.38 | Anthro | cdemwell: Hush up and don't make me not want to help. |
| 23:08.42 | abrotman | cdemwell: and i get to bause you :) |
| 23:08.45 | abrotman | abuse :) |
| 23:08.50 | abrotman | damn my lazy fingers! |
| 23:08.52 | cdemwell | Anthro: Yessir. |
| 23:09.00 | Walzmyn | how do i see my own ip address? (like ipconfig in winders) |
| 23:09.02 | jjazz | Webmin raped my dog... |
| 23:09.12 | Maulkin | Walzmyn: ifconfig |
| 23:09.12 | jjazz | Walzmyn, sudo ifconfig |
| 23:09.16 | Anthro | cdemwell: Okay, so how many LVs did you have on this VG? |
| 23:09.22 | cdemwell | I used to have three |
| 23:09.24 | Walzmyn | figuers... |
| 23:09.25 | cdemwell | Now I have four. |
| 23:09.27 | abrotman | /sbin/ifconfig -a! |
| 23:09.47 | Anthro | cdemwell: I thought you were missing one. You have one more than you expect to? |
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| 23:10.03 | cdemwell | Anthro: All the lvm tools tell me I have four |
| 23:10.20 | cdemwell | however, one won't mount, nor can I fdisk it, nor can I do anything to it with the lvm tools |
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| 23:10.42 | Anthro | cdemwell: But one of them, maingvg/home, is missing? |
| 23:11.04 | cdemwell | it's present in /dev/mapper/ as /dev/mapper/mainvg-home |
| 23:11.13 | cdemwell | however, it is not symlinked from /dev/mainvg |
| 23:11.18 | cdemwell | I don't know if this is important at all. |
| 23:11.20 | Anthro | cdemwell: Okay. That's a start. |
| 23:11.25 | cdemwell | indeed |
| 23:11.32 | Anthro | cdemwell: Have you tried deactivating the VG and reactivating it? |
| 23:11.40 | cdemwell | the entire VG? |
| 23:11.47 | cdemwell | honestly, I had not. |
| 23:11.54 | Anthro | cdemwell: With vgchange, please, not webmin. And yes, the whole VG. |
| 23:11.58 | cdemwell | well yeah |
| 23:12.05 | cdemwell | I stopped using webmin when I started having issues |
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| 23:12.24 | Anthro | cdemwell: Unmount the other LVs and such, deactivate the VG, then reactivate it. |
| 23:12.34 | cdemwell | Anthro: Okay, I'm going to have to go away to do this |
| 23:12.48 | Anthro | cdemwell: Hurry back, then. |
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| 23:17.21 | abrotman | Anthro: just stop helping! |
| 23:17.31 | Anthro | abrotman: Eh? Why? |
| 23:17.55 | abrotman | salt .. humor ... |
| 23:19.25 | Anthro | abrotman: I consider helping people who do stupid things to their systems sort of a penance. Do you recall the bit about the English and sausages in So Long and Thanks For All the Fish? Kind of like that. |
| 23:19.44 | Anthro | abrotman: Yes, you may quote me. |
| 23:20.05 | abrotman | Anthro: i consider not getting help thier penance .. and hopefully teaches them a lesson :) |
| 23:21.11 | meff | whenever my grub install tries to 'savedefault' grub says 'no file found' .. never had that happen before.. why? |
| 23:21.15 | Anthro | abrotman: Nonono, having everyone *else* point and laugh and abuse is what teaches them the right lesson. The wrong lesson, which they'd learn from getting no help at all, is that #debian is hostile and useless, rather than merely hostile. |
| 23:22.04 | Anthro | abrotman: Then we'd probably get another round of bitching on debian-user about how #debian is unofficial but shouldn't it become better and official and all that crap. And nobody wants that. |
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| 23:22.51 | abrotman | Anthro: we are ? :) |
| 23:23.01 | abrotman | Anthro: it is unofficial |
| 23:23.07 | Anthro | abrotman: We are what? Hostile or useless? |
| 23:23.14 | abrotman | hostile :) |
| 23:23.38 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.40 | Anthro | abrotman: I *know* it's unofficial, but people bitch about it on debian-user anyway and complain that it should be in official hands and maybe somehow that would make it better. |
| 23:23.46 | secher | apt seen mwilson |
| 23:23.48 | apt | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 61d 2h 17m 25s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 23:23.51 | Anthro | secher: I think you misspelled sussudio. |
| 23:23.57 | joe666 | abrotman, hi again, I've checked the BIOS and the battery on the motherboard seems to work properly, however I think I've found the problem, hwclock gives me a different time than "date", the message at boot time is for all ext3 filesystems: Superblock last write time is in the future, I'm using ntpdate, does it no longer update the hardware clock ? |
| 23:24.07 | dbron | !greycat |
| 23:24.12 | abrotman | joe666: use hwclock |
| 23:24.13 | deadcat | secher: he was banned. thats what i heard |
| 23:24.14 | dbron | !seen greycat |
| 23:24.15 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 18d 5h 55m 16s ago, saying: 'yuck. UTF-8.'. |
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| 23:24.32 | baxxter | could it be that using synaptic and aptitude alternatingly sorta screws with the packages ? |
| 23:24.36 | secher | apt seen electricelf |
| 23:24.38 | apt | electricelf is currently on #bzflag (11h 31m 45s) |
| 23:24.38 | deadcat | and greycat was arrested few months ago |
| 23:24.39 | dbron | greycat had been off for a long time also |
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| 23:25.01 | secher | deadcat: you're no serious! |
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| 23:25.06 | Anthro | baxxter: No. It may screw with their special perspectives on them, but it does not screw up the packaging system itself. |
| 23:25.06 | secher | s/no/not |
| 23:25.08 | deadcat | serious. |
| 23:25.13 | secher | for waht? |
| 23:25.14 | cdemwell | hi Anthro, I'm back |
| 23:25.20 | bucky | i think the ban list was cleared out yesterday |
| 23:25.20 | cdemwell | it didn't help, I got the same error |
| 23:25.28 | deadcat | ah |
| 23:25.35 | cdemwell | however, it did say "4 logical volume(s)... now active |
| 23:25.48 | cdemwell | way confusing |
| 23:25.56 | deadcat | i doubt hes coming back. hes on the network with the #openbox channel |
| 23:25.58 | baxxter | Anthro, thas what i had hoped. but everytime i use synaptic to install stuff and then run aptitude afterwards, aptitude deinstalls everything i installed using synaptic saying "unused packages". |
| 23:25.58 | Anthro | cdemwell: What filesystem do you expect to be on mainsvg-home? |
| 23:26.19 | deadcat | secher: /topic |
| 23:26.20 | cdemwell | ext2 |
| 23:26.21 | Anthro | baxxter: Yes. You have confused aptitude. Real men use apt-get and like it. |
| 23:26.29 | bucky | yeah so if you need any good debian support go ask mwilson in #openbox |
| 23:26.37 | Anthro | cdemwell: Can you fsck the dev-mapper device? |
| 23:26.38 | deadcat | (= |
| 23:26.54 | cdemwell | I really doubt it... let's see |
| 23:26.57 | dbron | good support and abuse |
| 23:26.57 | deadcat | i just want to know what he said and WHO banned his ass. |
| 23:27.04 | baxxter | Anthro, do i need to use apt-get if my penis is big enough by itself? |
| 23:27.08 | baxxter | ;-) |
| 23:27.13 | cdemwell | nope, no superblock |
| 23:27.17 | secher | !seen mwilson |
| 23:27.17 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 61d 2h 20m 54s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 23:27.31 | secher | isn't there a log of #debain somewhere? |
| 23:27.36 | Anthro | baxxter: You can only use apt-get if you are comfortable with the size of your penis. Conveniently, this wording applies to women as well. |
| 23:27.42 | deadcat | secher: i thought so but cant find it |
| 23:27.49 | abrotman | secher: yes .. but not public |
| 23:27.50 | bucky | !debain |
| 23:27.50 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:28.04 | deadcat | secher: i can make some postcards with his last few messages hahahah |
| 23:28.09 | secher | bucky: give me a break. :) |
| 23:28.13 | findme | run towards the wall with a hard on, and if it is your nose that gets damaged then you can use apt-get to get bigger xxxx. |
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| 23:28.34 | cdemwell | Anthro, I've been told to use aptitude over apt-get, which requires re-training of my fingers. What's the deal? |
| 23:28.40 | cdemwell | nooo |
| 23:28.47 | baxxter | Anthro, so if it is too small i would use aptitude or synaptic. what if it was - purely hyopthetically speaking - too big ? |
| 23:29.02 | cdemwell | baxxter, just use dpkg in that case |
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| 23:29.10 | secher | deadcat: we could start a whole line of those demotivational posters from some of the comments he's made over the years. <grin> |
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| 23:29.20 | Anthro | WTF? Xchat just crashed on me. |
| 23:29.26 | cdemwell | maybe wget if you really need a crutch, otherwise just write code to access the sockets |
| 23:29.33 | cdemwell | Anthro, it doesn't like all the penis-talk |
| 23:29.41 | abrotman | Anthro: i tried to DCC you an ISO! |
| 23:29.50 | cdemwell | abrotman, of what, penises? |
| 23:29.59 | deadcat | secher: ha. him and that Justin_ dude hahah |
| 23:30.01 | cdemwell | nobody wants to see your dick, I'm sorry |
| 23:30.07 | cdemwell | anyhow, so LVM |
| 23:30.13 | cdemwell | Anthro, no superblock |
| 23:30.27 | Anthro | cdemwell: So I'm thinking you may have made an unrecoverable mistake. I'd say you're screwed. |
| 23:30.39 | cdemwell | that would suck, although not terribly |
| 23:30.40 | secher | superpenis, that's what my GF calls me, not superblock. |
| 23:30.40 | Anthro | abrotman: You didn't really, did yo? |
| 23:30.51 | Anthro | !kill secher |
| 23:30.56 | cdemwell | ew |
| 23:31.19 | abrotman | Anthro: no .. give me a little more credit |
| 23:31.20 | deadcat | so we sharing dick stories again? |
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| 23:31.25 | abrotman | can we not ? |
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| 23:31.31 | secher | <chuckle> Nice.. we need to add eviscerates /nick with a spoon. |
| 23:31.32 | cdemwell | Anthro, can you help me understand what the message "too small for target" means? |
| 23:31.41 | baxxter | cdemwell, stop the dick talk |
| 23:31.54 | cdemwell | baxxter, I did some time ago |
| 23:32.00 | Anthro | abrotman: Well, xchat crashed with no useful info, so it could have been anything. I blame gremlins. |
| 23:32.01 | baxxter | too small for target? |
| 23:32.08 | baxxter | =) |
| 23:32.09 | Anthro | cdemwell: Google for it. |
| 23:32.11 | cdemwell | ohhhh, I'm slow |
| 23:32.16 | cdemwell | Anthro, I did, thanks |
| 23:32.23 | Gnea | !penis |
| 23:32.23 | dpkg | penis is, like, the male reproductive organ, or the male reproductive organ_ |
| 23:32.25 | cdemwell | I suppose your answer is "no I can't", that's cool too |
| 23:32.26 | abrotman | Anthro: i blame webmin .. it's a pile of crap |
| 23:32.40 | cdemwell | thanks abrotman, you are incredibly helpful |
| 23:32.45 | harleyg | would hooking a switch up to a modem directly work? |
| 23:32.53 | harleyg | modem - switch uplink port |
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| 23:32.57 | cdemwell | Actually, since this only broke after I stopped using webmin, it's probably not webmin's fault |
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| 23:33.00 | Anthro | cdemwell: Yeah, I don't know anything further about it. |
| 23:33.00 | harleyg | without a router as the middle mam |
| 23:33.03 | cdemwell | everything webmin did seemed to work OK |
| 23:33.08 | Gnea | harleyg: modems have rj45? |
| 23:33.14 | harleyg | think so.. |
| 23:33.14 | cdemwell | That's fine, Anthro, thanks very much for your help. |
| 23:33.18 | harleyg | mine does |
| 23:33.24 | Gnea | last i checked, dialup modems have rj11 |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | actualy .. it probably is webmin's fault |
| 23:33.36 | sifi | abrotman, what is webmin is it Web Admin or a package? =) |
| 23:33.37 | Gnea | although i did see an ISA once with both |
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| 23:33.38 | cdemwell | abrotman, How do you figure? |
| 23:33.40 | Anthro | cdemwell: You may feel free to keep using webmin against the better judgment of the vocal majority of this channel. But you have been warned. |
| 23:33.41 | Gnea | it was kinda cool |
| 23:33.55 | Gnea | harleyg: oh, you mean a cable modem? |
| 23:34.01 | harleyg | yeh |
| 23:34.07 | cdemwell | Anthro, I'm quite willing to stop using it, but so far I haven't been told why I should except "it sucks!" |
| 23:34.16 | abrotman | cdemwell: because you don't know how to fix your computer because you were relying on a clicky pile of poo |
| 23:34.16 | dbron | harleyg: mine is connected to a switch |
| 23:34.17 | Gnea | say 'cable' next time please :) |
| 23:34.30 | Gnea | a 'modem' by itself is dialup |
| 23:34.34 | cdemwell | abrotman, that's my fault and not webmin's |
| 23:34.36 | Gnea | yeah, that should work |
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| 23:35.02 | Gnea | harleyg: if your isp is setup for it, you could get multiple ip's on whatever systems you plug into the switch |
| 23:35.02 | harleyg | oh... ok cool |
| 23:35.21 | cdemwell | It seems clear that I should have known the meaning of every message that LVM could produce before relying on its tools. |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | cdemwell: oh .. so you take the blame .. good plan |
| 23:35.23 | harleyg | yeh... im organizing a lan party... but the guy dont have a router :? |
| 23:35.26 | Anthro | cdemwell: It has the same problems that RedHat's various administrative tools have. It hides things under the covers and presents you with a simplified and restricted view of the world. When that interface is insufficient, or fails, you are left without knowing either what was done under the covers or how to deal with the underlying configuration. |
| 23:35.31 | harleyg | i wanted it round my house but shit happens |
| 23:35.31 | dbron | harleyg: or the switch can just handle the natting |
| 23:35.39 | cdemwell | Anthro, that's compelling |
| 23:36.04 | Gnea | that's what i need to do... a lan party |
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| 23:36.14 | harleyg | yeh :) |
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| 23:36.30 | cdemwell | My only experience with it so far has been using it for user/group administration and lvm |
| 23:36.34 | bsims | !lart udev |
| 23:36.37 | Anthro | cdemwell: On top of that, its security is questionable and can lead to a compromised system. But the other argument should be sufficiently compelling. |
| 23:36.42 | cdemwell | oh yes, and crontabs |
| 23:36.58 | cdemwell | Anthro, why is its security questionable? |
| 23:37.06 | Anthro | !webmin |
| 23:37.06 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 23:37.07 | cdemwell | I mean, more than any other application that talks to a network? |
| 23:37.26 | Gnea | Anthro: it's only as secure as the administrator makes it |
| 23:37.29 | bsims | Smeging udevd isn't autostarted on the newest packages so no hotplug style events unless you start it manually |
| 23:37.33 | cdemwell | Anthro, Yes, again that's someone telling me "it sucks!" |
| 23:37.38 | cdemwell | but again, not why |
| 23:38.15 | Anthro | cdemwell: Look at what Gnea said. It's only as secure as the administrator makes it. If you were confident of your ability to secure webmin, you wouldn't need it in the first place. |
| 23:38.24 | cdemwell | that doesn't follow |
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| 23:38.35 | abrotman | cdemwell: maybe because it's an interface to manipulate your entire computer ? |
| 23:38.44 | cdemwell | First, I use it mainly because it's convenient. Using it for LVM was probably a mistake |
| 23:38.49 | cdemwell | abrotman, so's ssh. |
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| 23:38.58 | Gnea | cdemwell: because it's too GUI-ish - it only gives basic configuration directives and doesn't provide any error-fault detection, so if a newbie admin were to change some minor ip setting and the whole site went down, remotely, guess who'd be in a pile of shit if the CEO couldn't get to his email? |
| 23:39.03 | abrotman | cdemwell: you're a tard |
| 23:39.06 | cdemwell | I get a hell of a lot more attacks via ssh than via webmin |
| 23:39.07 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 23:39.13 | cdemwell | haha |
| 23:39.16 | joe666 | abrotman, now both clocks are the same, but I still got the error, any other Idea ? |
| 23:39.26 | Anthro | cdemwell: It is hard to secure because a minor breach leads to root privileges very quickly. |
| 23:39.30 | abrotman | joe666: can you get the text of the error ? |
| 23:39.52 | cdemwell | Gnea, That's very compelling. |
| 23:39.56 | Gnea | cdemwell: you laugh... |
| 23:39.57 | Anthro | cdemwell: Rather, it is no harder to secure than any other web service, really, but it is easier to exploit if it is insecure. |
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| 23:40.02 | Gnea | cdemwell: i've seen it happen. |
| 23:40.06 | cdemwell | Gnea, I laugh at abrotman killfiling me |
| 23:40.08 | joe666 | abrotman, Unexpected inconsistency, Superblock last write time is in the future |
| 23:40.11 | Gnea | hehehehhe |
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| 23:40.34 | joe666 | abrotman, that happens for every ext3 filesystems in the computer, on each of my both HD's |
| 23:40.44 | cdemwell | Anthro, this is a good point indeed |
| 23:40.48 | bsims | joe666: it's a timing issue one script assumes you are using localtime and ntp assumes you are using utc |
| 23:40.54 | abrotman | joe666: i don't know how to get the date of the superblock |
| 23:40.59 | cdemwell | You should know that I don't run webmin exposed to the net anywhere |
| 23:41.05 | joe666 | abrotman, after that it asaks for the root pass of course, to chwc things manually |
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| 23:41.25 | Gnea | ok, it's food time |
| 23:41.25 | joe666 | bsims, any possible fix ? |
| 23:41.38 | cdemwell | thanks for your input, I will consider this carefully |
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| 23:42.05 | SimonRaven | deadcat: starting the debugging/build process now |
| 23:42.15 | joe666 | bsims, and yes, is suppoused my system is set to UTC |
| 23:42.20 | abrotman | joe666: has it always happened ? |
| 23:42.41 | deadcat | SimonRaven: nice. how come it took so long? |
| 23:42.48 | Arnolf | CALIFORNIA UBER ALLES |
| 23:42.52 | joe666 | abrotman, not that I realized it, I do not reboot a lot, so I just noticed it 3 days ago |
| 23:42.56 | SimonRaven | just making sure everything is ok |
| 23:42.56 | deadcat | ls |
| 23:43.00 | deadcat | ah |
| 23:43.02 | abrotman | joe666: ah .. ok |
| 23:43.09 | abrotman | !br |
| 23:43.09 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:43.41 | bsims | joe666: there is a bug filed on it 343645 |
| 23:44.02 | bsims | abrotman: e2fsprogs just now started checking for that |
| 23:44.09 | joe666 | bsims, thanks, know I'll look at it |
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| 23:45.32 | bsims | abrotman: this was started after the changes needed to close #327580 |
| 23:45.45 | Airjy | hey guys |
| 23:45.49 | SimonRaven | deadcat: adding LSB functions to the init script, figuring out where to put the conf and xinitrc, etc. |
| 23:45.51 | joe666 | bsims, I'll try going back one version, could that help ? |
| 23:46.15 | cdemwell | ls |
| 23:46.16 | bsims | joe666: should but its not really worth worrying about IMO |
| 23:46.20 | cdemwell | damn, wrong window |
| 23:46.22 | cdemwell | excuse me |
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| 23:46.35 | Arnolf | PARDON ME |
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| 23:46.44 | joe666 | bsims, I guess you are right, after all, I really do not restart the computer very often |
| 23:46.45 | deadcat | SimonRaven: damn. you should just maintain it. the dude is doing it is useless |
| 23:46.57 | Arnolf | dont use the word pardon its unamerican |
| 23:47.06 | joe666 | bsims, thanks a lot |
| 23:47.12 | joe666 | abrotman, thanks for the help |
| 23:47.39 | bsims | joe666: if nothing else init to 1, mount / -o remount,ro, fsck and then, mount / -o remount,rw and init back to 2 |
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| 23:48.21 | joe666 | bsims, I'll write that down, but I bet the bug will be fixed before I need to do a restart |
| 23:48.23 | Arnolf | what init has to do with that ? |
| 23:48.43 | abrotman | Arnolf: pardon me? .. that word is unamerican ? |
| 23:49.10 | bsims | Arnolf: runlevel 1 is bare minimum, good idea before remounting / read only |
| 23:49.15 | Arnolf | at least here in california |
| 23:49.20 | abrotman | bsims: smells like a troll ? :) |
| 23:49.48 | Arnolf | pardon me isnt a word |
| 23:49.57 | abrotman | it's two words |
| 23:49.58 | bsims | abrotman: T'so thinks this bug lies in /etc/default/rcS http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327580 |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | bsims: he resigned .. a long time ago .. didn't he ? |
| 23:50.35 | Arnolf | Arnolf dont use the word pardon its unamerican |
| 23:50.46 | Arnolf | thats what ive said |
| 23:50.55 | Arnolf | cant your read properlly ? |
| 23:51.06 | EdLin | !lose Arnolf |
| 23:51.07 | dpkg | Arnolf: You Lose. |
| 23:51.08 | abrotman | can't you type properly ? |
| 23:51.31 | Arnolf | no |
| 23:51.37 | Arnolf | im sewdish |
| 23:51.49 | bsims | abrotman: dunno his name is still listed as maintainer and he was writing the bugreport response |
| 23:52.25 | abrotman | a swede with a .pt IP .. living in CA .. nice |
| 23:52.30 | abrotman | bsims: yeah..i noticed .. |
| 23:52.41 | abrotman | bsims: oh . .i'm thinking of Xu |
| 23:52.43 | abrotman | the kernel guy |
| 23:52.49 | bsims | Just as an aside, after upgrading udev; udevd isn't autostarted on the newest packages so no hotplug style events unless you start it manually... |
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| 23:53.25 | deadcat | SimonRaven: when i apt-cache show slim, it shows Description: <insert up to 60 chars description>, how do i change that during dh_make or in debian/ ? |
| 23:53.25 | bsims | abrotman: ok nice to know I wasn't missreading names again |
| 23:53.40 | abrotman | bsims: yeah .. iirc . Xu resigned last year |
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| 23:53.51 | Arnolf | !lose EdLin |
| 23:53.51 | dpkg | EdLin: You Lose. |
| 23:54.05 | bsims | !lart udev |
| 23:54.08 | abrotman | bsims: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg00276.html |
| 23:54.23 | SimonRaven | deadcat: debian/control. i'm about to upload to my local deb repo. deb http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/debian/ sid main |
| 23:54.30 | deadcat | k |
| 23:54.38 | bsims | Ah |
| 23:54.49 | abrotman | guess that was a bit more than a year |
| 23:54.54 | Arnolf | are there any cops in here ? |
| 23:55.08 | abrotman | cops for what ? |
| 23:55.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:55.22 | mr|richard | no |
| 23:55.22 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite Arnolf |
| 23:55.22 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Arnolf: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.615167996884463! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
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| 23:55.51 | SimonRaven | deadcat: after another rebuild of the package ;). just some final clean ups |
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| 23:56.11 | mrnull | Is ipodder the only podcast aggregator in linux? I need something better! |
| 23:56.27 | deadcat | SimonRaven: hehe. you tested it yet? |
| 23:56.36 | bsims | but I am only a lowly white and would never cast doubt on Friend Computer |
| 23:56.47 | Arnolf | ipodder ? isnt that a MAC thing ? |
| 23:56.54 | SimonRaven | deadcat: not yet. just debugging the packaging right now |
| 23:57.04 | bsims | mrnull: amarok does podcasts |
| 23:57.23 | Arnolf | whats a podcast ? dont i need an ipod ? |
| 23:57.36 | bsims | all a podcast is a streaming mp3 |
| 23:57.50 | deadcat | they just use new name for everything. |
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| 23:58.03 | bsims | WTF they felt like they needed a cool word for it is beyond me |
| 23:58.16 | deadcat | ipod = mp3 player, mighty mouse = mouse, ibook = laptop |
| 23:58.26 | cdemwell | bsims, for marketing |
| 23:58.35 | Arnolf | they love to reinvent the wheel |
| 23:58.35 | deadcat | and they good at it too |
| 23:58.44 | SimonRaven | deadcat: it uses a plain Makefile, no autofuck stuff, so it's rather quick to fix up (no waiting on ./configure and shit) |
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| 23:58.46 | cdemwell | apparently some people have a lot of trouble with two-word identifiers |
| 23:59.00 | Arnolf | i guess somethig isnt "cool" until they renamed it twice |
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| 23:59.22 | deadcat | SimonRaven: oh ya. i wouldnt know what to do if it requires a ./configure since i just read the dh_make doc today hehe |
| 23:59.24 | dufur | anyone had any luch with touchscreens? |
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| 23:59.32 | dufur | luck even |
| 23:59.41 | deadcat | no luck. just luch |
| 23:59.54 | Arnolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:59.57 | SimonRaven | just run make with the proper option, in this case -f Makefile, since 'Makefile' is the linux one |
