| 00:00.06 | bsims | cdemwell: "Marketing are the people who hold the customers down while Sales screws them". And Support means you get to stand there holding the box of willy-wipes for afterward. -- Anthony de Boer after Phil Launchbury in ASR |
| 00:00.21 | deadcat | SimonRaven: make before dpkg-buildpkg? |
| 00:00.36 | dufur | gross to setup atleast... |
| 00:00.48 | cdemwell | bsims, that's poetic. |
| 00:00.50 | SimonRaven | deadcat: magic debian/rules stuff ;) |
| 00:01.01 | Arnolf | i usualy pick my nose before using one |
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| 00:01.05 | Arnolf | :) |
| 00:01.11 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ahhaha. |
| 00:01.19 | cdemwell | speaking of music though, does anyone here have a recommendation for a tool to manage a large music collection? |
| 00:01.42 | mr|richard | snackAmp |
| 00:01.48 | cdemwell | HMM |
| 00:01.51 | cdemwell | gah |
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| 00:01.59 | bsims | cdemwell: I thought so |
| 00:02.00 | cdemwell | why is it that the caps lock key is there, and not CTRL? |
| 00:02.01 | Arnolf | konquerer ? |
| 00:02.23 | bsims | cdemwell: amarok |
| 00:02.32 | Tiyah | Hi |
| 00:02.32 | Arnolf | dont you have konquerer with that mp3 tag plugin ? |
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| 00:02.43 | Arnolf | Tiyah screw u |
| 00:02.48 | cdemwell | no I don't. |
| 00:03.05 | Tiyah | what did i do |
| 00:03.06 | cdemwell | I just need something that will merger large collections of mp3s and sort them |
| 00:03.15 | cdemwell | Tiyah, nothing, but you're about to feed a troll. |
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| 00:03.26 | Tiyah | what |
| 00:03.37 | cdemwell | never mind. |
| 00:03.42 | Arnolf | how long does an ipod batery last ? |
| 00:04.41 | SimonRaven | deadcat: re-update, you might've fetched while i was updating Packages |
| 00:04.44 | Arnolf | im with like 1 giga ipod you have like one month of nonstop music ? |
| 00:04.46 | cdemwell | hm |
| 00:04.54 | SimonRaven | deadcat: can i /msg you? |
| 00:04.54 | cdemwell | snackamp looks cool, but not what I need |
| 00:04.57 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i am gonna get it now |
| 00:04.58 | deadcat | sure you can |
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| 00:05.41 | Arnolf | i love amarok |
| 00:05.52 | Arnolf | the new one was a vulture |
| 00:05.57 | Arnolf | coool |
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| 00:06.16 | bsims | cdemwell: amarok does just that |
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| 00:06.49 | Arnolf | and you can get the lyrics too |
| 00:07.01 | cdemwell | it will merge collections together? Because that isn't listed in the features list |
| 00:07.05 | deadcat | SimonRaven: you have deb-src too ? |
| 00:07.06 | Arnolf | at least before the riaa takes out wikipedia |
| 00:07.18 | SimonRaven | yeh, just add -src |
| 00:07.23 | deadcat | cool thanks |
| 00:07.29 | deadcat | just want to see how you did it |
| 00:08.10 | Arnolf | deadcat your a doll |
| 00:08.26 | deadcat | Arnolf: ? |
| 00:08.41 | bsims | cdemwell: well you can tell it to combine multiple directorys into a playlist |
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| 00:08.46 | Maulkin | Arnolf: I think you mean "you're" :) |
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| 00:09.22 | Arnolf | no a mean you are :) |
| 00:09.31 | Arnolf | no I mean you are :) |
| 00:09.37 | cdemwell | bsims, Ah, I want it to combine multiple directories into one directory with no duplicate files, breaking ties in favour of higher quality |
| 00:09.49 | SimonRaven | that's what "you're" is ;) |
| 00:09.58 | cdemwell | I think I can do that with a python script, it sholdn't be hard, just tedious |
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| 00:10.26 | Arnolf | i love how english lets you do I in caps it makes me feel like a God |
| 00:10.36 | _metaperl | what can I use to rip a DVD under Debian/testing |
| 00:10.46 | mrnull | Does also include input drivers? I can't get any of my recording audio to show up in Audacity |
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| 00:11.09 | mrnull | (I think I just made up the term, 'input-drivers' |
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| 00:11.33 | abrotman | mrnull: you mean recording doesn't work ? |
| 00:11.51 | Arnolf | how do i record a skype chat ? |
| 00:12.06 | cdemwell | Arnolf, with a gramophone. |
| 00:12.06 | benjamindees | is Mesa/DRI going to be more separate from X11 in Etch? |
| 00:12.20 | bsims | cdemwell: well that I don't know about |
| 00:12.23 | Arnolf | cdemwell, your funny dude |
| 00:12.34 | cdemwell | bsims, thanks anyhow |
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| 00:13.04 | abrotman | you're |
| 00:13.06 | deadcat | SimonRaven: you didnt create the symlink in rc2.d |
| 00:13.14 | Kerr | I'm looking to install an x server on my windows box for sshxing into my debian box.. mi/x, reccomended in !x-not-vnc gives a 15 day free trial. Anyone know of a good alternative? |
| 00:13.29 | Arnolf | your |
| 00:13.44 | abrotman | idiot |
| 00:13.51 | bsims | Kerr: cygwin has a live cd with full xserver |
| 00:13.54 | cdemwell | Kerr, how about cygwin/x ? |
| 00:13.54 | cindy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.00 | Arnolf | abrotman, that kinda defines you well |
| 00:14.06 | cdemwell | just google cygwin x11 |
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| 00:14.11 | abrotman | damn right .. i'm the biggest idiot here |
| 00:14.21 | bsims | abrotman: Please God, grant me the ability to punch people in the face over standard TCP/IP |
| 00:14.27 | phrozen | hahah |
| 00:14.29 | abrotman | bsims: if i could .. i would |
| 00:14.42 | Arnolf | so much violence |
| 00:14.46 | abrotman | so much stupidity |
| 00:14.51 | Arnolf | so much violence |
| 00:14.56 | bsims | Arnolf: I will Kill it with Fire |
| 00:14.59 | cdemwell | Arnolf, it seems clear you're just here to wast people's time |
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| 00:15.13 | SimonRaven | deadcat: doh! forgot the postinst stuff... |
| 00:15.13 | bsims | cdemwell: Mmm ya think? <g> |
| 00:15.15 | Arnolf | cdemwell, no thats your job |
| 00:15.36 | kek | hi, while configuring pppoe, i asked for "mru" to be limited at 1492, because it seems my modem doesn't take it. fine. but the connection doesn't work and "plog" reveals that the program "Couldn't increase MRU to 1500"¸ |
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| 00:15.48 | deadcat | SimonRaven: make sure when --purge it will remove them too. |
| 00:15.49 | kek | i never asked for it to increase so much ;P |
| 00:15.51 | cdemwell | Arnolf, does your mommy or daddy know you're using IRC? |
| 00:15.56 | abrotman | ops? .. we don't need no stinkin' ops! |
| 00:16.06 | Arnolf | why is irc of limits ? |
| 00:16.21 | cdemwell | Arnolf, it's a place full of strangers, and some of them aren't very nice |
| 00:16.40 | cdemwell | I'm sure your mommy or daddy would want to know |
| 00:16.44 | Arnolf | i recon thats way mr bush reads theyr emails |
| 00:16.50 | cdemwell | you know, to keep you safe. |
| 00:16.59 | cdemwell | safely away from us, bonehead. |
| 00:17.08 | SimonRaven | deadcat: i usually guinea pig myself first ;) |
| 00:17.13 | bsims | s/mommy or daddy/shrink |
| 00:17.36 | cdemwell | bsims, he sounds like he's about six years old |
| 00:17.42 | Arnolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.52 | deadcat | SimonRaven: hahaha |
| 00:18.04 | cdemwell | Arnolf, you can't insult me. I'm at the bottom already. I use webmin! |
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| 00:18.35 | bsims | cdemwell: Amazing how someone with an IQ less than roomtemp can operate an IRC client isn't it (Witness AOL) |
| 00:18.54 | abrotman | bsims: admittedly .. my place is kept pretty warm :) |
| 00:19.03 | deadcat | SimonRaven: why is it /etc/slim/slim.conf? the source points it to /etc/slim.conf |
| 00:19.04 | cdemwell | bsims, that's just proof that IRC is ready for the desktop |
| 00:19.11 | a1fa | what does VCC stand for > |
| 00:19.13 | bsims | LOL |
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| 00:19.23 | SimonRaven | deadcat: because i changed it |
| 00:19.23 | abrotman | a1fa: acronymfinder.com ? |
| 00:19.25 | a1fa | VCC in hardware design? |
| 00:19.28 | deadcat | oh |
| 00:19.30 | cdemwell | a1fa, "Vancouver Community College" |
| 00:19.34 | a1fa | lol |
| 00:19.38 | a1fa | cdemwell; no |
| 00:19.41 | cdemwell | well yes |
| 00:19.45 | cdemwell | but you had given no context |
| 00:19.52 | a1fa | i opened a linksys router, and there is a VCC jumper, +/- VCC |
| 00:19.58 | a1fa | has to do something with voltage |
| 00:20.02 | cdemwell | bsims, did that hurt to type? |
| 00:20.05 | cdemwell | It hurts to read. |
| 00:20.10 | abrotman | a1fa: i just told you where to find out |
| 00:20.15 | bsims | cdemwell: no but I threw up a little |
| 00:20.34 | cdemwell | bsims, I know this is off-topic but do you have stairs in your house? |
| 00:20.46 | Arnolf | gentoo is the new debian |
| 00:20.48 | bsims | hrm I should s/U/Y/ |
| 00:20.52 | bsims | cdemwell: no why? |
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| 00:20.57 | abrotman | Arnolf: do you have any debian questions ? |
| 00:21.00 | cdemwell | oh, it's an in-joke and I thought you might have been in on it |
| 00:21.13 | Arnolf | admit you only use debian because you cant handle gentoo :) |
| 00:21.19 | SimonRaven | no, debian is the new debian. now please stop trolling |
| 00:21.20 | bsims | cdemwell: I hang out in #linux down on Undernet |
| 00:21.28 | abrotman | Arnolf: are you here to troll ? |
| 00:21.31 | Maulkin | Arnolf: Are you only here to troll, or do you actually need support? |
| 00:21.31 | cdemwell | different in |
| 00:21.32 | bsims | we get a lot of .ro clowns |
| 00:21.38 | Kerr | seems the cygwin cd isn't really suitedfor my laptop (150mhz/32mbram) ~.~ guess i can try to install cygwin, but the damn thing struggles to acheive 10kb/s when downloading. |
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| 00:21.47 | cdemwell | oh really? hm. |
| 00:21.49 | Arnolf | cdemwell, is also a troll shut him up |
| 00:21.50 | abrotman | Kerr: try another mirro ? |
| 00:21.56 | cdemwell | Kerr, what do you mean, CD? |
| 00:22.02 | deadcat | Arnolf: can gentoo remove all the pkg AND orphaned libraries cleanly? |
| 00:22.07 | cdemwell | and yeah, consider another mirror. |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | Arnolf: no .. really .. are you the slightest bit interested in debian ? |
| 00:22.14 | EdibleText | Arnolf, cyber amish prefer debian |
| 00:22.20 | bsims | cdemwell: I presume the X livecd |
| 00:22.25 | cdemwell | oh! |
| 00:22.28 | cdemwell | I hadn't even seen it |
| 00:22.30 | Arnolf | abrotman, im intrested in linux |
| 00:22.35 | cdemwell | I'm just talking about setup.exe |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | Arnolf: then go to ##linux .. this channel is for debian |
| 00:22.46 | kc | hi, can anyone help me I am trying to find a command that can execute a second Xserver and launch a program I specify within. The command I got right now is: Xorg :1 -config /etc/X11/alternateconfig. The second X display starts but I want to launch an application within the xserver and I cannot. Is it possible to have a command specifying the launch of a new xserver with alternate config and app to launch within xserver |
| 00:22.51 | SimonRaven | /ig -replies Arnolf |
| 00:22.52 | Maulkin | Arnolf: I'd suggest /part #debian;/join ##linux |
| 00:22.54 | cdemwell | kc, I can help you right away |
| 00:22.55 | Arnolf | i dont like second choice channels |
| 00:22.56 | Kerr | cdemwell: http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ |
| 00:23.03 | deadcat | Arnolf: answer me |
| 00:23.04 | bsims | kc: sounds like xnest |
| 00:23.09 | cdemwell | there's a key next to the "/" key. It will help you |
| 00:23.10 | abrotman | Arnolf: then be quiet .. and watch .. |
| 00:23.17 | cdemwell | it helps us understand where to breathe. |
| 00:23.35 | Kerr | it's not a mirror thing, i just think the laptop struggles to, eh, function O.O but anything is gonna be better than vnc, right? |
| 00:23.38 | Arnolf | cdemwell, is also a troll shut him up |
| 00:23.38 | kc | bsims: xnest ? Do you know the paramters for that program? |
| 00:23.52 | abrotman | Arnolf: really .. please be quiet |
| 00:23.59 | deadcat | Arnolf: can gentoo remove all the pkg AND orphaned libraries cleanly? <-- you cant answer this? |
| 00:24.03 | cdemwell | kc, I agree with bsims if you want the x server running "inside" your current X server |
| 00:24.07 | bsims | kc: no but man xnest might <g> |
| 00:24.14 | cdemwell | If you just want two X servers running you might not need it. I've never done it, though |
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| 00:24.23 | Kerr | mm, gentoobian flamewar. |
| 00:24.24 | cdemwell | bsims, not if he hasn't used it |
| 00:24.34 | deadcat | i guess he cant or dont know. |
| 00:24.47 | bsims | I'll be honest I have never used it either but I got bored one day and played with man -k |
| 00:24.52 | Maulkin | kc: will the program take a --display argument? |
| 00:24.56 | Arnolf | deadcat, can debian recompile the system to your specific arch ? |
| 00:25.08 | deadcat | Arnolf: yes |
| 00:25.14 | cdemwell | Kerr, cygwin/x is pretty good, I use it if I am ever forced to use Windows for any length of time |
| 00:25.14 | deadcat | we just dont want to |
| 00:25.16 | Maulkin | kc: That may be the eastest way of doing it. Unless I'm mis-reading your query :) |
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| 00:25.26 | Arnolf | sure |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 00:25.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 00:25.36 | _metaperl | did anyone provide any suggestions on what to use to rip dvds? |
| 00:25.36 | benjamindees | kc, the x server launches programs in the ~/.xinitrc script, and elsewhere; you may be able to specify a file on the command line |
| 00:25.43 | kc | Maulkin: sec I am trying xnest out.. |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | Arnolf: if you're going to troll .. at least make it a good troll |
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| 00:26.07 | bsims | _metaperl: I use dvd::rip |
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| 00:26.23 | Arnolf | freakin geeks |
| 00:26.24 | deadcat | abrotman: he didnt do his research. he picked the short straw in the #gentoo channel (= |
| 00:26.25 | _metaperl | bsims: thanks |
| 00:26.37 | Kerr | the world's best linux distro is: whatever fits your needs, and is comfortable for you to use. Regardless of that, arguing for something that isn't debian, in #debian is not very smart. |
| 00:26.41 | abrotman | Arnolf: are you done now? |
| 00:26.46 | deadcat | !ops Arnolf trolling like a whore. time for me to /ignore him too |
| 00:26.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Arnolf trolling like a whore. time for me to /ignore him too |
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| 00:26.51 | kc | benjamindees: I need an xserver that can launch a different config then the xserver I have now and run a command based on the command I specified to run the xserver. |
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| 00:27.05 | Arnolf | deadcat is a snitch |
| 00:27.13 | SimonRaven | deadcat: it should have, dh_installinit was run (adds stuffs to postinst auto.) |
| 00:27.17 | bsims | _metaperl: for what its worth DVD Shrink, kinda works under wine |
| 00:27.35 | Maulkin | Arnolf: Please give up now... |
| 00:27.42 | Arnolf | NEVER |
| 00:27.43 | deadcat | SimonRaven: but do you have the update-rc.d commadn in the postin script? |
| 00:27.50 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 00:27.55 | deadcat | hmm |
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| 00:28.01 | benjamindees | kc, startx? |
| 00:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@a83-132-100-197.cpe.netcabo.pt] by mentor |
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| 00:28.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 00:28.09 | abrotman | !prize mentor |
| 00:28.11 | roler | is there a program for debian to make it so when an email is received on my server, and no one has ever sent me an address from that email, it will reply back to them saying they have to reply back with a code to be put in my safe list? Its a way to prevent spam... |
| 00:28.13 | Kerr | three cheers for mentor |
| 00:28.20 | Maulkin | \o/ |
| 00:28.20 | abrotman | three beers too! |
| 00:28.23 | SimonRaven | yay |
| 00:28.26 | mentor | mmm beer. |
| 00:28.32 | Maulkin | !beer mentor |
| 00:28.40 | Maulkin | mmm... beer... |
| 00:28.42 | abrotman | hey .. i never get those! |
| 00:28.46 | SimonRaven | deadcat: if [ -x "/etc/init.d/slim" ]; then update-rc.d slim defaults >/dev/null |
| 00:28.55 | Maulkin | abrotman: Just guinness for you eh? :) |
| 00:29.00 | SimonRaven | deadcat: part of the postinst |
| 00:29.08 | abrotman | Maulkin: no .. i get like Jever or other stuff |
| 00:29.10 | Kerr | you dern yanks don't know real beer :-P |
| 00:29.13 | SimonRaven | bsims: rather easy actually |
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| 00:29.26 | benjamindees | kc, something like 'startx /usr/bin/firefox -- :1' |
| 00:29.31 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ah. S20slim (= i was looking at S99 hahah |
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| 00:29.36 | deadcat | let me test it out |
| 00:29.46 | bsims | Though anything German is good really |
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| 00:30.23 | SimonRaven | when i used to drink, i'd just drink local micro-brewery stuff |
| 00:30.38 | Loonix | i frind of mine told me deadcat is an ass |
| 00:30.40 | Kerr | alcoholic -AND- unpronounceable, you can't lose. |
| 00:30.44 | Maulkin | There's some really nice local breweries here (Sheffield, UK) |
| 00:30.57 | _metaperl | bsims: I'm planning to get gtranscode based on apt-cache search | grep transcode |
| 00:31.01 | Kerr | SimonRaven: ya, cains = liverpool brewery, i just happen to livei n liverpool. |
| 00:31.14 | bsims | _metaperl: never used it but sounds cool |
| 00:31.15 | _metaperl | gtk interface must outdo the perl interface for quick and easy things I guess |
| 00:31.15 | SimonRaven | aah, ok :) |
| 00:31.21 | kc | benjamindees: ok that helps with startxm but I honestly could not find anything that lets startx use different config then the default one |
| 00:31.35 | SimonRaven | Loonix == Arnolf |
| 00:31.36 | _metaperl | sheer sacrilege for a professional perl programmer to make such a choice, but hey! :) |
| 00:31.42 | Maulkin | Kerr: Ahh, you're the wrong side of the pennines :) |
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| 00:31.43 | SimonRaven | mentor: ^^^^ |
| 00:31.47 | Loonix | you freaking snitch |
| 00:31.54 | SimonRaven | fuck you |
| 00:31.59 | Kerr | SimonRaven: for me it's not that cask ale tastes better, it's that you can ask for the best guest ale, and get a different taste every night. |
| 00:32.00 | Loonix | fuck you back |
| 00:32.03 | SimonRaven | bubye |
| 00:32.09 | Maulkin | Kerr: Mind a /msg ? |
| 00:32.13 | benjamindees | kc, different server config? |
| 00:32.17 | Kerr | not at all |
| 00:32.19 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 00:32.20 | fearaz | The definition of a snitch is someone telling on someone else??? am i right?? |
| 00:32.33 | cdemwell | something like that |
| 00:32.35 | peterS | fearaz: yes |
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| 00:32.38 | SimonRaven | Loonix: WTF should i care about a troll? |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | !ops Loonix is Arnolf who was just banned |
| 00:32.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Loonix is Arnolf who was just banned |
| 00:32.49 | fearaz | Good :D |
| 00:33.05 | Loonix | !ops abrotman is a creep |
| 00:33.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: abrotman is a creep |
| 00:33.13 | fearaz | So Arnolf/Loonix did something he shouldn't and was discovered?? |
| 00:33.20 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 00:33.31 | Loonix | i didnt do anything they made me do it |
| 00:33.47 | SimonRaven | Loonix: frankly, you're just an idiot, you gave yourself away |
| 00:34.02 | benjamindees | kc, 'startx /usr/bin/firefox -- -xf86config /etc/X11/altconfig :1' |
| 00:34.03 | Loonix | LOL |
| 00:34.13 | fearaz | Sounds interesting... what did he do :D ? |
| 00:34.13 | peterS | fearaz: returning immediately after being banned, from a different IP. that's what simonrvn told about him |
| 00:34.17 | Loonix | SimonRaven, that sooo insightfull |
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| 00:34.30 | fearaz | oh ok :D |
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| 00:34.33 | SimonRaven | fearaz: /lastlog Arnolf |
| 00:34.39 | Loonix | SimonRaven, your an very bright |
| 00:34.39 | cdemwell | *plonk* |
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| 00:34.54 | cdemwell | ahhh |
| 00:35.12 | gnube | is there a way to get apt-get _not_ to remove dependencies when apt-get remove is called? |
| 00:35.26 | peterS | "you must be ----- this smart to talk in #debian" |
| 00:35.26 | abrotman | gnube: that's why they're dependencies :) |
| 00:35.29 | fearaz | SimonRaven .. useful, didnt know that command.. I see now :D |
| 00:35.30 | cdemwell | I think you have to use dpkg directly, gnube |
| 00:35.47 | cdemwell | I'm not sure if you can make it not remove them, but I think you can |
| 00:35.58 | abrotman | you can .. but they probably won't work right |
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| 00:36.02 | abrotman | gnube: why would you want to do that ? |
| 00:36.06 | SimonRaven | deadcat: i'm going to fix that dhelp bug. next upload (should be soon; i'll tell you) |
| 00:36.06 | gnube | I think it is kind of odd that removing xlibs would force one to remove emacs21 as well |
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| 00:36.07 | Maulkin | gnube: It's not a good idea to try and subvert the packaging system... :) |
| 00:36.12 | cdemwell | abrotman, sometimes you need to remove them temporarily |
| 00:36.17 | bsims | peterS: s/----- this smart/ as smart as this stick --,--`==/ |
| 00:36.17 | Bobstopper | Hi. I don't keep up to date with hardware much. I'm buying a new laptop and am wondering what new-ish graphics cards out there have decent non-proprietary drivers. I thoroughly dislike the proprietary nvidia drivers in my desktop and my research shows ATI is probably worse. Can anyone help? |
| 00:36.23 | Loonix | !subversion |
| 00:36.23 | dpkg | it has been said that subversion is a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. |
| 00:36.32 | peterS | gnube: if you think emacs21 should not depend on xlibs, you should probably investigate the emacs21-nox package |
| 00:36.43 | roler | is there a program for debian to make it so when an email is received on my server, and no one has ever sent me an address from that email, it will reply back to them saying they have to reply back with a code to be put in my safe list? Its a way to prevent spam... |
| 00:36.50 | peterS | bsims: heh, or that |
| 00:36.51 | Maulkin | Bobstopper: Do you need anything powerful? :) |
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| 00:36.59 | gnube | peterS, Hmm, that souds like good advice. |
| 00:37.10 | Maulkin | Bobstopper: or just standard GL stuff? |
| 00:37.15 | bbrazil | roler: bad idea. look up challenge response systems if you want to do it, should be a few |
| 00:37.15 | cdemwell | roler, that system has some problems if implemented poorly |
| 00:37.18 | Bobstopper | Maulkin: power would be preferable. I know I can get crappy old cards which work, I'm more interested in the newer stuff. |
| 00:37.39 | Maulkin | Bobstopper: Ok, you're more or less stuck with ATI or nvidia then. I'd suggest nvidia :) |
| 00:37.47 | Bobstopper | damn :( |
| 00:37.53 | gnube | Its just that I want to limit the amount of packages on my system and getting rid of anything X related is good but losing emacs is bad. |
| 00:37.59 | Loonix | nvidia dosent have tv |
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| 00:38.09 | peterS | gnube: fortunately the emacs maintainer anticipated people like you (: |
| 00:38.09 | Maulkin | Bobstopper: There's some intel chips too, but you're not gonna get much processing power out of them. |
| 00:38.09 | cdemwell | Maulkin, what do you prefer to NVidia? |
| 00:38.10 | benjamindees | Bobstopper, via unichrome I think, but they probably suck |
| 00:38.10 | cdemwell | Matrox? |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | Bobstopper: intel ? |
| 00:38.16 | abrotman | cdemwell: not for laptops |
| 00:38.35 | gnube | peters fortunate indeed! :^) |
| 00:38.36 | Maulkin | cdemwell: For laptops, you're quite limited :) |
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| 00:38.41 | Loonix | are the ATI all in wonder working on linux with TV suport ? |
| 00:38.42 | cdemwell | Yeah, that's very true |
| 00:38.53 | SimonRaven | bsims: don't. mine are even older ;). a tnt2, and a rage lt pro ;) |
| 00:38.55 | Bobstopper | Well, I suppose the next best thing is any GL-capable graphics card. Intel, eh? I'll take a look around, thanks. |
| 00:38.58 | cdemwell | But the way you said it suggested you'd prefer something else |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | mentor: username! |
| 00:39.17 | cdemwell | SimonRaven, I used to have a TNT2, but the fan got dusty, and then melted |
| 00:39.27 | Maulkin | Bobstopper: I'd suggest a IBM Thinkpad BTW. |
| 00:39.29 | gui | Hello, is it possoble to install in Sarge, the "fglrx" drivers/module ? please. |
| 00:39.30 | cdemwell | I took that as a sign that ti was time to upgrade |
| 00:39.32 | SimonRaven | :/ |
| 00:39.33 | bsims | SimonRaven: ok you have the smaller epenis <g> |
| 00:39.36 | cdemwell | Maulkin, You mean Lenovo, now |
| 00:39.37 | gui | possible* |
| 00:39.38 | Loonix | are the ATI all in wonder working on linux with TV suport ? |
| 00:39.39 | SimonRaven | heh, yeh |
| 00:39.40 | bucky | bsims, epson has always been linux compatible |
| 00:39.41 | benjamindees | Loonix, check gatos.sf.net |
| 00:39.42 | abrotman | Maulkin: but i think they only use Intel GPUs |
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| 00:39.45 | SimonRaven | bsims: hehe |
| 00:39.51 | crn | gnube, try using wajig as your adm tool. It's very good for those of us who don't know all the debian management tools. |
| 00:39.53 | SimonRaven | thank you |
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| 00:40.08 | bsims | bucky: not some of their newer photoprinters |
| 00:40.12 | Maulkin | abrotman: Damn. |
| 00:40.15 | Bobstopper | IBM thinkpad? Great, thanks. I've actually been referred to a company which builds laptops from scratch fairly cheap so I was going to go for that. But all their graphics cards seem to be ATI, nvidia/geforce. |
| 00:40.25 | SimonRaven | not only an ass, but a ban evader too... |
| 00:40.27 | abrotman | Maulkin: that's fine with me .. drivers work fine .. DRI works fine .. |
| 00:40.55 | pon_g | pon won't work. plog says: "bad file descriptor", what does it mean? my dsl-provider file has not been changed and worked fine this afternoon |
| 00:41.00 | roler | bbrazil, ; why is it a bad idea? |
| 00:41.04 | roler | cdemwell, ; like what? |
| 00:41.04 | Maulkin | abrotman: For a laptop, it's great for me too. Was just thinking for Bobstopper :) |
| 00:41.24 | cdemwell | roler, like two similar systems bombarding each other with requests |
| 00:41.29 | bbrazil | roler: it will just send mail to other people who's email addresses were being spoofed |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | Maulkin: he said it was for a laptop .. and Bobstopper didn't say what he wants DRI for |
| 00:41.35 | cdemwell | there's a lot of discussion about spam reduction on the net, use google |
| 00:41.43 | gnube | crn, thanks for the tip. I want / need to learn the debian tools since a friend asked me to maintain his software and it is packaged for debian. |
| 00:41.48 | cdemwell | oh yeah, and that too |
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| 00:41.53 | roler | i see |
| 00:42.10 | bassMonkey | what package is the make-kpkg program part of? |
| 00:42.17 | Bobstopper | hmm... maybe I should get an apple. Are graphics drivers for apple laptops any better? |
| 00:42.25 | gnube | peters, installed emacs21-nox, apt-get removed xlibs and get 10.5 megs in the bargain! Thanks! |
| 00:42.28 | gui | bassMonkey, kernel-package |
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| 00:42.38 | peterS | gnube: heh |
| 00:42.42 | cdemwell | bsims, do you know if it's possible to reject a message before accepting it from another MTA? |
| 00:42.43 | abrotman | Bobstopper: for OSX ? |
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| 00:42.54 | Maulkin | Bobstopper: IIRC, apple use ATI. They may have swapped to nvidia though |
| 00:42.54 | cdemwell | after accepting headers, for example? |
| 00:43.03 | Bobstopper | no, for Debian. If I wanted to know for OSX I'd ask in #OSX ;) |
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| 00:43.07 | bbrazil | cdemwell: after getting the data, yes |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | Bobstopper: ask #debianppc |
| 00:43.13 | gnube | cdemwell, I think you can do that with exim4 |
| 00:43.14 | Bobstopper | ok, thanks. |
| 00:43.18 | peterS | gnube: btw it's possible to do installs and removes in the same apt-get run: 'apt-get install emacs21-nox emacs21- xlibs-' for example. the - suffix means remove |
| 00:43.23 | cdemwell | Bobstopper, I should tell you that everyone, and I mean everyone that I know who has had an apple has had show-stopping hardware failures within the warranty period |
| 00:43.30 | bbrazil | cdemwell: or even before that, can apparently become a big bottleneck though from postfix docs |
| 00:43.44 | cdemwell | what do you mean, bottleneck? |
| 00:43.48 | gnube | peters, that sounds excellent. Must remember that. |
| 00:44.02 | cdemwell | I'd just like to implement a whitelist for my personal address, and not accept mail that doesn't match it |
| 00:44.04 | Bobstopper | cdemwell: ok, thanks for the warning. I'm not paying that much extra cash just for it to die on me. |
| 00:44.07 | Maulkin | cdemwell: I haven't on about 80% of my systems, but I haven't bought one in teh last 4 years or so. :) |
| 00:44.12 | gnube | I did see that with apt-get remove you can add a + and the package is installed instead. |
| 00:44.22 | bbrazil | cdemwell: performance bottleneck, depends on how heavy the checks you are doing are, but I think any header/body check counts as 'heavy' |
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| 00:44.23 | SimonRaven | you can stick in --purge in there too ;) |
| 00:44.29 | cdemwell | Bobstopper, I should also tell you that I pointed this out to them, and they all argued that it was worth it |
| 00:44.37 | gnube | cdemwell, what about procmail? |
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| 00:44.44 | gnube | !dpkg procmail |
| 00:44.44 | dpkg | it has been said that procmail is the ultimate way to process your incoming mail into folders, feed it to external programs, and so on. http://www.procmail.org/, or ask me about procmail tutorial |
| 00:44.56 | cdemwell | gnube, I don't want to accept the mail at all |
| 00:44.59 | rold | bsims is really polite |
| 00:45.12 | cdemwell | so if some random dude sends me four megs of data, he gets denied before I get it |
| 00:45.16 | bbrazil | cdemwell: hmm, thats trivial in postfix anyway, see sender_access |
| 00:45.32 | cdemwell | Noted, thank you |
| 00:45.34 | bbrazil | cdemwell: applies server wide though |
| 00:45.40 | cdemwell | aiyah |
| 00:45.51 | gnube | cdemwell, Then you may want a firewall rule. |
| 00:45.58 | Bobstopper | ok, well thanks for all your help Maulkin and others. I'm in a better position to track down what I want now :) |
| 00:45.58 | Guerin | gnube: no. |
| 00:45.58 | cdemwell | gnube, not really |
| 00:46.04 | Guerin | gnube: he wants a smtp rule. |
| 00:46.06 | cdemwell | ^ |
| 00:46.15 | bbrazil | cdemwell: strict SA with a whitelist? |
| 00:46.24 | Guerin | gnube: perhaps you should listen, instead of talking, if you're a gnube. |
| 00:46.32 | cdemwell | whoa, whoa |
| 00:46.32 | rold | did you know that KDE page is on a gentoo server ? |
| 00:46.36 | gnube | but if it gets to port 25 and to the MTA isn't it already technically accepted? |
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| 00:46.45 | cdemwell | Guerin, he's only trying to help, that's a good impulse |
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| 00:46.53 | cdemwell | he'll learn, don't worry |
| 00:46.54 | Guerin | gnube: the connection is accepted, but the MTA can reject the MESSAGE. |
| 00:46.56 | bbrazil | gnube: only if the MTA says so at teh end of the DATA command |
| 00:47.05 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 00:47.12 | cdemwell | So presently I'm running exim4 (surprise) |
| 00:47.16 | peterS | yeah you can still reject the mail after the client finishes DATA |
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| 00:47.29 | cdemwell | any suggestions on whether or not I'd need to change MTA? |
| 00:47.32 | peterS | IIRC rfc821 says you have like 3 minutes to decide |
| 00:47.33 | Maulkin | Bobstopper: There's also http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop :) |
| 00:47.42 | gnube | aha, I am almost certain exim can do that. |
| 00:47.43 | peterS | I forget the exact timeout but it's pretty freaking long for today's world |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:47.45 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 00:47.47 | Bobstopper | ah, thanks |
| 00:48.06 | cdemwell | 3min is long |
| 00:48.06 | Bobstopper | and thanks again, abrotman :) |
| 00:48.19 | cdemwell | and let's not forget this is a home server, not a business |
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| 00:48.32 | pon_g | lcp terminated by peer. why ?? |
| 00:48.34 | cdemwell | I don't get much traffic |
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| 00:49.00 | eps | xcdroast isn't detecting my dvd drive? |
| 00:49.16 | honschu | eps, use cdrecord directly |
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| 00:49.26 | eps | ...not only sure how too :| |
| 00:49.29 | gnube | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/141/print |
| 00:49.35 | gnube | is that at all helpful? |
| 00:49.39 | gnube | cdemwell, |
| 00:49.59 | cdemwell | reading |
| 00:50.09 | SimonRaven | deadcat: ok, update |
| 00:50.14 | cdemwell | yeah, this is helpful |
| 00:50.17 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i had to edit the init.d/slim script, its start, you have slim_start so it wasnt working. and it wasnt bg'ed |
| 00:50.29 | gnube | groovy. |
| 00:50.34 | SimonRaven | ... feck |
| 00:50.37 | eps | do I need fam? |
| 00:50.43 | deadcat | hehe |
| 00:50.46 | eps | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 00:50.47 | eps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.09 | cdemwell | oh sweet, test virus |
| 00:51.34 | abrotman | !fam |
| 00:51.34 | dpkg | somebody said fam was a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 00:51.45 | SimonRaven | deadcat: then never mind the update :). i'll tell you |
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| 00:52.06 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i have -audit 0 -f 0 -nolisten tcp -dpi 75 vt7 in the .conf file. because since you had it in S20, it uses vt2 |
| 00:52.07 | eps | abrotman so that is a ... maybe ... maybe not answer? :) |
| 00:52.43 | gnube | eps, I think he means that now you know what it does you can decide if you need it. |
| 00:52.49 | cdemwell | eps, that's a "you should be able to figure it out from this" answer |
| 00:52.52 | cdemwell | bing |
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| 00:53.32 | abrotman | eps: do you need it .. no .. some people like it ? |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | err no ? :) |
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| 00:54.13 | fpitt_ | night |
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| 00:54.20 | cdemwell | so, a friend of mine was telling me that I should stop using apt-get and start using aptitude |
| 00:54.30 | vulture | cdemwell: And he'd be right, more or less. |
| 00:54.31 | cdemwell | what's the difference, aside from super cow powers? |
| 00:54.37 | vulture | cdemwell: Orphan tracking. |
| 00:54.40 | cdemwell | aha |
| 00:55.14 | cdemwell | vulture, earlier in this channel some people were being kind of negative about the idea of using aptitude |
| 00:55.26 | cdemwell | There was some e-penis measurement stuff, I don't know |
| 00:55.33 | cdemwell | Anyhow, are there reasons NOT to use aptitude? |
| 00:55.44 | vulture | cdemwell: because it tracks new information, it doesn't use the standard apt database I think |
| 00:55.45 | gnube | vulture, Orphan tracking? What is that? |
| 00:56.02 | cdemwell | it seemed to have no problem picking up where apt left off |
| 00:56.23 | vulture | gnube: You install A, A pulls in B, you remove A - don't you want to remove B too? (and more complex: you install A which brings B, then install C which needs B (which you already have) and remove A - you want to keep B) |
| 00:56.27 | vulture | etc.. |
| 00:56.29 | cdemwell | gnube, "you don't need these any more, want to get rid of them?" |
| 00:56.58 | gnube | aha! that sounds excellent. |
| 00:57.00 | vulture | so aptitude will automatically keep track of packages you installed explicitly ('noauto') and those that were only brought in to satisfy dependencies ('auto') |
| 00:57.17 | vulture | and when nothing is keeping an auto package installed, it'll automatically prompt for its removal |
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| 00:58.06 | tictac | for some people, aptitude is only used for orphan tracking. however, others use debfoster/deborphan for the same thing. |
| 00:58.13 | gnube | I could see how that might be really useful - like letting people know there is software installed that they do no need and may one day be a security riks. |
| 00:58.18 | kc | does anyone know how to make run Xnest with alternate server config ? |
| 00:58.52 | vulture | gnube: security risk - unlikely, but possible. It's just a general idea: why have more stuff than you want. |
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| 00:59.38 | tictac | the sec risk wouldnt be there, unless you never update/upgrade. |
| 00:59.39 | gnube | vulture, I see. I always want to pare down my machine since it is just a virtual instance in some colo somewhere. |
| 00:59.56 | cdemwell | gnube, the keyboard cable must be really long |
| 01:00.11 | vulture | tictac: sure, then there's the happy ncurses front end & stuff (which I don't use), fancier search capabilities than apt-cache. And deborphan's not quite the same, as it only tries to do things retrospectively it doesn't have a sense of auto/nonauto. Debfoster's about equivalent to Aptitude's orphan tracking |
| 01:00.12 | gnube | cdemwell, Just ssh :) |
| 01:00.50 | tictac | vulture: id rather not have the ncurses fe. |
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| 01:00.53 | cdemwell | apt-cache seems to do exactly what I want for searching: keyword with boolean AND |
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| 01:01.07 | cdemwell | aptitude search does boolean OR and has some complex other system that I don't like |
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| 01:01.13 | tictac | cdemwell: yes, apt-cache is great. |
| 01:01.19 | cdemwell | so I use apt-cache and aptitude right now |
| 01:01.25 | vulture | tictac: Yeah, I just don't use it. I can't say I've used Debfoster so I don't know how similar it is - I just like that aptitude is such a neat drop-in replacement. |
| 01:01.27 | eps | abrotman heh, I took the <clicky> what does this break approach :P |
| 01:01.43 | eps | grr it broke |
| 01:01.47 | eps | silly aptitude! |
| 01:01.54 | cdemwell | eps, I used that method and now I've lost some data |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | eps: what broke ? |
| 01:02.10 | abrotman | aptitude has a clicky mode ? |
| 01:02.22 | thc | !hangover |
| 01:02.22 | dpkg | i heard hangover is your bodies retalliation for forcing it to have fun the night before.. See also: cure |
| 01:02.35 | eps | was trying to install k3b from experimental because it is uninstallable from unstable, and the deps are broken |
| 01:02.36 | abrotman | yeah .. ! |
| 01:02.41 | tictac | abrotman: well, it _is_ ncurses based... |
| 01:02.41 | eps | mmm now to try and cancle those actions |
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| 01:03.26 | nimak2 | someone recommend a game, please |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | enigma |
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| 01:03.39 | eps | mmm fixed |
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| 01:03.42 | eps | now how to install k3b |
| 01:03.53 | nimak2 | enigmas fun |
| 01:03.54 | eps | wonder if I can get it from testing :| |
| 01:03.59 | cdemwell | nimak2, Moonbase commander |
| 01:04.03 | nimak2 | thanks |
| 01:04.17 | beardy | nimak2: nethack or slashem, cannonsmash |
| 01:04.26 | tictac | et |
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| 01:04.51 | cdemwell | nimak2, neverball is fun |
| 01:04.53 | Guerin | nimak2: cities.totl.net |
| 01:04.57 | cdemwell | also freeciv |
| 01:05.03 | beardy | Yeah, et is good. |
| 01:05.10 | eps | I need a nice gnome based app that will easily let me copy a dvd! :| |
| 01:05.19 | cdemwell | eps, why gnome? |
| 01:05.24 | Guerin | eps: gnome-terminal -e dd |
| 01:05.27 | eps | because that is what I have installed |
| 01:05.28 | cdemwell | bahaha |
| 01:05.31 | tictac | copy or rip/encode? |
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| 01:05.31 | teknoprep | what do i have to apt-get to get transparency's for KDE? |
| 01:05.35 | tictac | dvdrip rocks. |
| 01:05.47 | deadcat | teknoprep: nothing. you click around KDE |
| 01:06.00 | eeyore- | eps: dvd::rip |
| 01:06.05 | eps | thanks :) |
| 01:06.22 | eeyore- | eps: it's perl-gtk app, nice |
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| 01:07.02 | bsims | Mmmm Pizza, chips and dip, a candy bar and now whiskey and a smoke |
| 01:07.08 | bsims | I eat so healthy |
| 01:07.13 | cdemwell | hey whisky, that's a good idea |
| 01:07.21 | cdemwell | smoking with whisky seems like a bad call though |
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| 01:07.26 | tictac | bah. default bf kernels dont have support for highmem |
| 01:07.28 | cdemwell | isn't it flammable? |
| 01:07.29 | gnube | I'm havin' a beer. |
| 01:07.39 | bsims | cdemwell: only slightly |
| 01:07.41 | cdemwell | oh |
| 01:07.47 | thc | yeah! drink in front of the pc! good times. |
| 01:07.50 | tictac | MemTotal: 904424 kB |
| 01:07.54 | tictac | thats not 2 gig... |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | tictac: uname -a |
| 01:08.04 | eps | eeyore- what is its package name, I can't find it? |
| 01:08.05 | cdemwell | tictac, correct. |
| 01:08.06 | deadcat | tictac: no shit. they dont called it bf for nothing |
| 01:08.07 | gnube | thc, heh |
| 01:08.13 | tictac | heh. |
| 01:08.17 | eeyore- | eps: dselect and search for it |
| 01:08.21 | SimonRaven | doh! stupid mistake on my part |
| 01:08.22 | eps | I did |
| 01:08.31 | eeyore- | eps: maybe search for dvdrip |
| 01:08.33 | tictac | abrotman: how would uname help me here? |
| 01:08.37 | eps | I did |
| 01:08.37 | eeyore- | eps: without the :: |
| 01:08.38 | tictac | dvdrip is in marillat |
| 01:08.39 | teknoprep | i want true transparencies in kde tho.. not the software render'd ones |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | tictac: so i know what kernel you're using |
| 01:08.47 | eps | yes, and also for "dvd rip" |
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| 01:08.54 | tictac | abrotman: i just told you. bf. |
| 01:09.07 | bsims | teknoprep: so enable transpancy in xorg then |
| 01:09.12 | thc | teknoprep: you need transset and xcompmgr. hope you enjoy 99% cpu usage for a clear window. |
| 01:09.15 | abrotman | you did ? |
| 01:09.22 | teknoprep | lol |
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| 01:09.23 | cdemwell | can I move part of an LVM VG to a different PV? |
| 01:09.32 | Guerin | teknoprep: you need a composite manager and transset for xorg |
| 01:09.41 | Guerin | teknoprep: not in debian, so you're more or less on your own |
| 01:09.43 | cdemwell | I'd like to copy some of my LVs elsewhere, but not all of them |
| 01:09.47 | eps | eeyore- in source.list I only have main (using unstable)...should there be another list there like ... contrib? |
| 01:09.53 | bsims | s/usage/usage and crash almost instantly |
| 01:09.54 | abrotman | tictac: 2.4.18bf ? |
| 01:09.56 | eeyore- | eps: somebody mentioned marillat |
| 01:10.01 | EasterSunshine | what should i pass to startx to invert the color on all pixels? |
| 01:10.03 | cdemwell | sorry to harp on this LVM stuff :( |
| 01:10.15 | tictac | abrotman: 20. |
| 01:10.23 | eps | eeyore- it isn't in my package list either |
| 01:10.28 | abrotman | tictac: uname -a |
| 01:10.32 | tictac | abrotman: afaik, bf dont include highmem |
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| 01:10.44 | Guerin | 2.2.20-idepci *pheeer* |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | tictac: uname -a |
| 01:10.57 | tictac | abrotman: do you not fucking listen? i just told you. 2.4.20. im not some random n00b. |
| 01:10.58 | eeyore- | eps: i don't remember what "marillat"'s apt repository spec is. ask someone else :-) |
| 01:11.00 | Guerin | teknoprep: nobody needs highmem to install, right. |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | tictac: show me the whole line |
| 01:11.08 | Guerin | !marillat |
| 01:11.08 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 01:11.09 | eeyore- | tictac: don't be abusive |
| 01:11.17 | cdemwell | tictac, whoa now |
| 01:11.19 | eeyore- | tictac: abrotman has been here for far longer than you |
| 01:11.26 | SimonRaven | suddenly i feel nauseous. i think it's seeing 2.2.20-idepci on-screen that did it |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | at least 10 minutes! |
| 01:11.29 | cdemwell | also, you're the one asking for help |
| 01:11.30 | eps | :P |
| 01:11.33 | eps | thx |
| 01:11.33 | tictac | okay fine. |
| 01:11.38 | tictac | abrotman: go away. |
| 01:11.40 | tictac | better? |
| 01:11.44 | abrotman | fine .. don't get help .. |
| 01:11.47 | cdemwell | not really, no |
| 01:11.49 | deadcat | damn looks like somebody's having a case of the monday's |
| 01:11.51 | Guerin | !irritate abrotman |
| 01:11.52 | dpkg | abrotman: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
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| 01:11.57 | tictac | im not asking for help, i just noted that bf doesnt come with highmem. |
| 01:12.01 | cdemwell | haha |
| 01:12.05 | Guerin | teknoprep: why should it? |
| 01:12.09 | Guerin | tictac: why should it? |
| 01:12.11 | deadcat | tictac: ok. we dont give a fuck. |
| 01:12.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.ks.ks.cox.net] by eeyore- |
| 01:12.12 | abrotman | tictac: because it's not a real kernel |
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| 01:12.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:12.19 | Guerin | pwn3d |
| 01:12.21 | eeyore- | might be a bit overkill |
| 01:12.30 | SimonRaven | a wee bit |
| 01:12.36 | thc | ban all of kansas! |
| 01:12.38 | deadcat | abrotman: only if you have listened to his ass (= |
| 01:12.39 | abrotman | tictac: when someone who is offering you help asks you a question .. don't be a dick about it |
| 01:12.44 | eeyore- | who needs kansas? it's be intelligent-design state ... |
| 01:12.46 | SimonRaven | kansas on cox |
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| 01:12.49 | Guerin | tand give peterS a shell in missouri! |
| 01:12.51 | eeyore- | it's *the* |
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| 01:13.06 | thc | i couldn't even point out kansas on a map if you asked me to |
| 01:13.08 | bsims | !irritate dpkg |
| 01:13.09 | dpkg | dpkg: wenas how can I make my kanotix werkz kthx |
| 01:13.23 | thc | dpkg: shut up |
| 01:13.23 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 01:13.26 | SimonRaven | it's over there *points randomly at the mid-west u.s.* |
| 01:13.42 | cdemwell | what is dpkg written in? |
| 01:13.44 | eeyore- | thc: maps.google.com |
| 01:13.47 | Guerin | cdemwell: perl |
| 01:13.51 | cdemwell | ew. |
| 01:13.53 | cdemwell | Well, never mind. |
| 01:13.57 | kc | I am having problems running applications in second display X, the X server starts with starx but when I try to run application e.g: startx xterm -- :1 the xserver starts but it's blank no xterm. |
| 01:13.58 | peterS | thc: that would seem to be a more pungent comment on *your* intelligence than on the intelligence of kansas residents, you know |
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| 01:14.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o eeyore-] by eeyore- |
| 01:14.08 | kc | *startx |
| 01:14.13 | thc | peterS: i wasn't trying to make anyone other than myself look bad. |
| 01:14.19 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:14.27 | peterS | thc: oh ok |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: shortest ban ever :) |
| 01:14.46 | peterS | it's ok, I don't like cox cable subscribers around here anyway |
| 01:14.54 | eeyore- | peterS: hey! i'm on cox |
| 01:15.07 | zwei | hello there, can anyone tell me why apt-get install would return "couldn't find package something", even though my sources.list contains valid sources. thx |
| 01:15.13 | cdemwell | bsims is now junk? |
| 01:15.18 | peterS | eeyore-: you banned your ks brethren then? |
| 01:15.21 | bsims | grumble my triggerguard is showing a bit of holdster wear |
| 01:15.22 | gnube | bsims, You ain't junk, you just jinkin' |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | zwei: which package ? |
| 01:15.29 | eeyore- | peterS: oh, no. i'm in CA |
| 01:15.36 | Guerin | zwei: it's because apt-get can't find package something |
| 01:15.39 | eeyore- | peterS: so not really "brethren" per se |
| 01:15.39 | tictac | abrotman: but i wasnt asking for help, i was simply making a statement. no need to ask the same thing over and over, when i told you the kernel version 3 times. |
| 01:15.41 | cdemwell | zwei, maybe because that package isn't in the repository |
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| 01:15.49 | Guerin | !gentoosmite cdemwell |
| 01:15.52 | abrotman | tictac: so you were just complaining ? |
| 01:16.01 | cdemwell | nooooo |
| 01:16.03 | peterS | eeyore-: hey, either way. around here, cox has a pretty draconian user agreement, like 'no servers', so DSL is a no-brainer |
| 01:16.03 | zwei | well, "something" is a quite common package, i'm trying to install apache2 |
| 01:16.04 | gnube | tictac, Just move on. |
| 01:16.04 | thc | that is the best smite ever |
| 01:16.05 | abrotman | tictac: if it's really a bf kernel .. you should really really not be using it |
| 01:16.07 | eeyore- | abrotman: don't poke/prod him! :-) |
| 01:16.10 | deuce868 | zwei: check the debian web package listing and see if it's only in testing/unstable |
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| 01:16.24 | thc | who wants to go work for me tonight |
| 01:16.25 | Guerin | cdemwell: but at least you have USE flags |
| 01:16.26 | thc | you'll get laid |
| 01:16.38 | eeyore- | USE flags! |
| 01:16.42 | cdemwell | thc, correct, I will |
| 01:16.43 | zwei | nop, it's valid for stable, main |
| 01:16.46 | peterS | thc: dude what kind of job *is* that? |
| 01:16.57 | Guerin | peterS: midget wrangler |
| 01:16.57 | tictac | abrotman: it is, i just installed the box. |
| 01:17.03 | kc | I am having problems running applications in second display X, the X server starts with startx but when I try to run application e.g: startx xterm -- :1 the xserver starts but it's blank no xterm. |
| 01:17.05 | cdemwell | peterS, the kind where thc screws you |
| 01:17.15 | thc | peterS: i normally work security as a second job at a club, tonight i am filling in as a bartender |
| 01:17.16 | bsims | cleaning the booths in a pornotheater |
| 01:17.32 | cdemwell | thc, what city? |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | tictac: the 2.4 kernels from sarge don't support HIGHMEM .. neither do any of the kernels in woody |
| 01:17.36 | Guerin | skanky bar hoes ... yay. |
| 01:17.42 | peterS | thc: so bartenders get laid? you say it with such certainty |
| 01:17.44 | Maulkin | kc: How about something like "xterm --display=:1" ? |
| 01:17.44 | thc | i'm so hungover the smell of booze is going to make me yak |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | tictac: i'm not sure about the 2.4 from the etch beta installers |
| 01:17.47 | FourierSeries | Atlantic City? |
| 01:17.51 | thc | peterS: they do at my work |
| 01:17.52 | deadcat | kc: try a real wm maybe |
| 01:17.55 | Guerin | peterS: see above re: skanky bar hoes. |
| 01:17.59 | thc | cdemwell: huntington beach |
| 01:18.15 | SimonRaven | hoes? :) |
| 01:18.16 | zwei | is there anything wrong in "apt-get install apache2" |
| 01:18.20 | peterS | Guerin: well presumably it's possible to *refuse* skanky bar hoes |
| 01:18.24 | deadcat | zwei: no |
| 01:18.30 | tictac | abrotman: this is a woody disc. bf2.4. cleared it up. added highmem to 2.4.32 and im good to go. |
| 01:18.31 | Guerin | peterS: indeed... and normally wise. |
| 01:18.34 | cdemwell | peterS: You'd think so |
| 01:18.35 | peterS | yes |
| 01:18.53 | Guerin | it is sort of true, though |
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| 01:19.12 | abrotman | tictac: if you compiled your own .. you'll be fine.. the woody kernels don't support HIGHMEM .. seems silly .. but it's true :) |
| 01:19.25 | eeyore- | why use 2.4 kernel these days? |
| 01:19.25 | Guerin | i got hit on all the time when I worked in bars ... but I had an unskanky non-bqar non-ho at home, so it was a no-brainer |
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| 01:19.51 | gnube | Well done abrotman. |
| 01:19.51 | cdemwell | Guerin, some men would ask "why choose" |
| 01:19.57 | adii | is there a way to install a packaged amule with sarge ? |
| 01:20.02 | Guerin | cdemwell: I suppose they would. |
| 01:20.03 | abrotman | gnube: ? |
| 01:20.06 | zwei | i think my debian just doesn't "know" that apache2 exists. if the sources are given in sources.list, where's the actual "existing package list"? |
| 01:20.09 | cdemwell | Those men have not experienced exhaustion |
| 01:20.23 | gnube | You were the model of politeness. |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | gnube: you want some of this?!?! |
| 01:20.33 | gnube | Oh shit. |
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| 01:21.04 | FourierSeries | zwei: looking up apache package ... |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | bsims: electric fence! |
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| 01:21.10 | cdemwell | bsims, tell the truth. Are you feeling frustrated? |
| 01:21.24 | eeyore- | cdemwell and abrotman should find a nice corner and talk amongst themselves under candlelight |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | zwei: apt-cache policy apache2-common |
| 01:21.38 | bsims | cdemwell: who me <g> |
| 01:21.45 | kspath | i fought spammers for years I feel your pain |
| 01:22.01 | FourierSeries | zwei: whut abrotman said ... |
| 01:22.02 | peterS | kspath: whoever fights spammers should beware lest he become a spammer |
| 01:22.18 | cdemwell | I was toying with the idea of hacking on dspam for a while |
| 01:22.19 | kspath | not going to happen |
| 01:22.20 | zwei | unable to locate. |
| 01:22.23 | abrotman | i should have had a cheesesteak for dinner! |
| 01:22.51 | SimonRaven | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 01:22.54 | cdemwell | the markov models he uses look lame |
| 01:23.00 | eeyore- | looks like i'm in kde more than gnome for the past week |
| 01:23.02 | deuce868 | zwei: have you tried changing to a different mirror just to see if it would find it? |
| 01:23.04 | abrotman | SimonRaven: it goes with everything! |
| 01:23.08 | cdemwell | how much of dpkg's code is full of smiting? |
| 01:23.16 | SimonRaven | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:23.16 | bsims | 99% |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | cdemwell: /msg dpkg listkeys smite |
| 01:23.25 | SimonRaven | cdemwell: mysql database |
| 01:23.33 | zwei | deuce868: yes, i added two mirrors, and even "ping"ed them to be sure they were valid. |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | SimonRaven: Thanksgiving turkey .. with CheezWhiz! |
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| 01:23.53 | abrotman | (which .. would actually be a lot like a chicken cheesesteak) |
| 01:23.59 | cdemwell | well there we go |
| 01:24.02 | zwei | i noticed this message, "Reading Packages lists". maybe apache2 is just not on that list, whatever it is? |
| 01:24.05 | cdemwell | !newbiesmite me |
| 01:24.28 | FourierSeries | zwei: rechecking ... yep "apache2-common" |
| 01:24.50 | FourierSeries | zwei: what sites do you have in your apt - conf? |
| 01:24.51 | thc | neon newbie-pants? ahaha |
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| 01:24.54 | bsims | !badgersmite cdemwell |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | in your sources.list |
| 01:25.10 | HaskNoob | any recommendations about webcams? |
| 01:25.12 | bsims | WTF is currywurst |
| 01:25.25 | zwei | gulus.usherbrooke.ca |
| 01:25.26 | thc | a sausage made with curry, obviously |
| 01:25.28 | HaskNoob | like which have nice working open drivers |
| 01:25.31 | bsims | Gah |
| 01:25.32 | Guerin | nope |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | and damn it .. i went to Peace-A-Pizza .. but the person i was with couldn't find anyhting on the menu! |
| 01:25.44 | Guerin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currywurst |
| 01:26.10 | cdemwell | niiice |
| 01:26.30 | kc | does anyone know how to make run Xnest with alternate server config ? |
| 01:26.30 | Guerin | i remember making them in high-skool german class, and they were pretty good |
| 01:26.58 | cdemwell | arrgh |
| 01:27.06 | zwei | what's the procedure to update the packages lists? apache2 isn't even listed on my system |
| 01:27.16 | beardy | !debian mantra |
| 01:27.17 | dpkg | from memory, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
| 01:27.43 | cdemwell | dpkg, debian mantra is aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 01:27.43 | dpkg | ...but debian mantra is already something else... |
| 01:27.44 | beardy | zwei: man apt-get or man aptitude |
| 01:27.52 | cdemwell | awww :( |
| 01:28.16 | bsims | !start flamewar |
| 01:28.24 | Guerin | cdemwell: dpkg, no, |
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| 01:28.27 | kspath | flameon |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | don't change it ... |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | append it |
| 01:28.58 | kspath | apt-get uber alles |
| 01:29.00 | cdemwell | This is just an example of me trying to do something I don't know how to |
| 01:29.01 | cdemwell | never mind |
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| 01:30.44 | nimak2 | !debian mantra |
| 01:30.44 | dpkg | from memory, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade", or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
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| 01:30.55 | nimak2 | oh shit |
| 01:31.01 | cdemwell | oh smoooth |
| 01:31.03 | poxysolaris | Potato or grain? |
| 01:31.10 | EdLin | !lose nimak2 |
| 01:31.11 | dpkg | nimak2: You Lose. |
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| 01:31.18 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 01:31.27 | cdemwell | EdLin, do you do anything else in this channel apart from telling people they lose? |
| 01:31.33 | kspath | potato or grain alcohol intoxication? |
| 01:31.35 | kc | anyone know how to use startx with alternate xorg config ? |
| 01:31.37 | EdLin | !lose cdemwell |
| 01:31.37 | dpkg | cdemwell: You Lose. |
| 01:31.38 | poxysolaris | kspath: exactly |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | !debian mantra |
| 01:31.45 | dpkg | hmm... debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | eveyone happy ? |
| 01:31.53 | EdLin | :-) |
| 01:31.58 | kspath | kc: define alt xorg config? |
| 01:32.01 | nimak2 | yay! |
| 01:32.23 | poxysolaris | SO I heard something about OpenSolaris and Debian... |
| 01:32.28 | adii | is there a package to install properly wxWidgets ? |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | poxysolaris: yep |
| 01:32.48 | FourierSeries | poxysolaris: and? |
| 01:33.11 | poxysolaris | I just wonder if it went the way of freebsd/debian |
| 01:33.20 | EdLin | poxysolaris: unlikely seeing that Solaris's "special" license is incompatable with the GPL. |
| 01:33.21 | zwei | that's funny, even after apt-get updating/upgrading, it still can't find common packages. Unabl |
| 01:33.22 | kc | kspath: I have a monitor and a tv I have two perfectly working xorg configs for both. I tried running twinview but had difficulties. I want to run two xservers one for each display. So I want to load one xserver with default config and one with an different config(alternate). |
| 01:33.27 | tsume | eww. wxwidgets :/ |
| 01:33.27 | gnube | pythoncard - wxPython-based GUI construction framework (meta-package) |
| 01:33.28 | gnube | pythoncard-doc - wxPython-based GUI construction framework (documentation and samples) |
| 01:33.28 | gnube | pythoncard-tools - wxPython-based GUI construction framework (optional development tools) |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | zwei: run apt-setup .. pick another mirror |
| 01:33.35 | tsume | eww python |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | poxysolaris: what do you mean .. debian/bsd has a liveCD now |
| 01:33.46 | EdLin | poxysolaris: kfreebsd is an active project. (Well, at least as active as GNU/Hurd) |
| 01:33.46 | cdemwell | oi |
| 01:33.49 | cdemwell | python is awesome |
| 01:33.55 | cdemwell | slow, but awesome |
| 01:33.58 | tsume | cdemwell: ruby is better ;) |
| 01:34.02 | cdemwell | how? |
| 01:34.04 | tsume | cdemwell: plus thers even a rails hype |
| 01:34.06 | beardy | zwei: You only need to update if you only need to update. |
| 01:34.07 | kspath | kc: concurrently? |
| 01:34.07 | poxysolaris | EdLin: heh i love how you put "at least as active as gnu/hurd" |
| 01:34.10 | cdemwell | yeah, I know about the rails hype |
| 01:34.17 | cdemwell | rails makes me which turbogears was better |
| 01:34.17 | kc | yep. |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: tell us about kfreebsd! |
| 01:34.37 | cdemwell | tsume, a friend of mine and I once compared ruby to python and decided there was basically no difference |
| 01:34.38 | tsume | cdemwell: ruby is jsut magical, and its just nice to have the one click installer for windows so I can install on client machines |
| 01:34.59 | cdemwell | don't let abrotman hear you say that |
| 01:35.01 | kspath | kc: I am ignorant I have not done that before only did 3 head spanning 1600x1200 32 bit with xinerama |
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| 01:35.05 | cdemwell | he hates lazy windows admins |
| 01:35.10 | EdLin | tsume: ActiveState has Windows installers for Tcl, Perl, and Python. |
| 01:35.11 | kc | i am trying to load the other xserver with this command but I need the xorgconfig parameter: startx -- -xf86config /etc/X11/xorg3.conf :5 |
| 01:35.15 | deuce868 | I actually went to a ruby on rails class by one of the guys working on turbo gears |
| 01:35.23 | tsume | cdemwell: oh, theres a big difference. how it works, libraries, community,in depth conversation on the mailing list how it works |
| 01:35.35 | cdemwell | hm |
| 01:35.43 | cdemwell | I had neglected the community aspect |
| 01:35.51 | tsume | komodo is adapting ruby and rubyonrails support ;) |
| 01:35.53 | cdemwell | but for me, nltk.sf.net is probably reason enough to keep using Python |
| 01:35.54 | gnube | Yeah, I have to say I am sceptical about ruby. |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | cdemwell: lazy linux admins are worse :) |
| 01:36.24 | Tortel | yep |
| 01:36.28 | kc | kspath: xinerama is great I had fun with it but when I tried to run e.g: vmware in full screen it span across both monitors. I wanted one person to use vmware while I watched a movie on the tv and that didn't work so now I want to run either a nested xserver with the tv config or a seperate xserver. |
| 01:36.31 | tsume | cdemwell: I use ruby for applicatoins and scripts on my systems like asterisk boxes, mail and web servers |
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| 01:36.46 | EdLin | Ruby is the bastard child of Perl and Smalltalk. |
| 01:36.46 | tsume | the ruby debian team does great work making pckages |
| 01:36.49 | cdemwell | tsume, I use python for processing corpora for my researc code |
| 01:36.51 | cdemwell | and for teaching |
| 01:37.07 | cdemwell | tsume, s/ruby //; |
| 01:37.10 | tsume | EdLin: perl? no. Smalltalk, eiffel, and something else which is OO |
| 01:37.11 | gnube | tsume, but why then is gmes so broken? |
| 01:37.19 | kspath | kc: sounds neat but I will not be any help. sorry |
| 01:37.24 | gnube | I mean gems. |
| 01:37.25 | zwei | abrotman: many thanks, everything is fine now |
| 01:37.27 | tsume | gnube: I don't us rubygems |
| 01:37.30 | tsume | *use |
| 01:37.38 | kc | kspath: it's ok thanks anyways |
| 01:37.49 | EdLin | tsume: it's a lot closer to Perl than Python is. I didn't mean that as an insult, BTW |
| 01:37.52 | gnube | tsume, why do you say ruby debian is so good then. |
| 01:37.55 | tsume | gnube: its like CPAN with perl people.. people bitch and bitch about it, even the adv programmers :) |
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| 01:38.12 | cdemwell | EdLin, being far from perl is a plus for me |
| 01:38.18 | tsume | gnube: everything worls out of the box, they packaged everything |
| 01:38.21 | poxysolaris | i need a movie recommendation |
| 01:38.22 | tsume | EdLin: not really |
| 01:38.26 | Guerin | poxysolaris: king kong |
| 01:38.28 | cdemwell | poxysolaris, what genre? |
| 01:38.30 | tsume | EdLin: $ is used for globals, that is all |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | poxysolaris: brainstorm! |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | !real genius |
| 01:38.41 | nimak2 | the labyrinth |
| 01:38.44 | UdontKnow | poxysolaris: Monty Python and the Holy Grail |
| 01:38.45 | gnube | tsume, not true. |
| 01:38.46 | FourierSeries | poxysolaris: the producers |
| 01:38.50 | cdemwell | real genius is awesome |
| 01:38.53 | tsume | EdLin: if someone uses $ all over their code, they are idiots |
| 01:39.01 | EdLin | poxysolaris: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly |
| 01:39.12 | gnube | tsume, with debian one needs to install a seperate set of packages to get gems and rails to run. |
| 01:39.20 | FourierSeries | poxysolaris: debbie does debian |
| 01:39.21 | UdontKnow | tsume: if they make $ out of it, thats fine :P |
| 01:39.22 | poxysolaris | haha EdLin no clint eastwood movies |
| 01:39.24 | UdontKnow | tsume: lol |
| 01:39.25 | tsume | gnube: yeah, well install those |
| 01:39.40 | EdLin | poxysolaris: what, you don't like the best movie ever made? |
| 01:39.42 | deadcat | FourierSeries: is that a prono movie? |
| 01:39.43 | tsume | UdontKnow: they better not! I'll get them for writing not so good style code |
| 01:39.48 | cdemwell | EdLin, what, Citizen Kane? |
| 01:39.57 | EdLin | cdemwell: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly |
| 01:40.02 | Guerin | EdLin: oh, give over. Everyone knows Stagecoach is the best movie ever made :) |
| 01:40.04 | FourierSeries | deadcat: it's art mon! |
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| 01:40.13 | gnube | tsume, with CherryPy for example, that sort of thing is unnecessary. So you claim that ror just works out of the box, it is just not true. |
| 01:40.17 | deadcat | FourierSeries: nice (= |
| 01:40.25 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 01:40.26 | EdLin | Guerin: I've never heard of Stagecoach |
| 01:40.29 | Guerin | EdLin: ! |
| 01:40.42 | poxysolaris | what about rear window? |
| 01:40.50 | EdLin | Guerin: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is the best comedy ever made. Is the Stagecoach a comedy too? |
| 01:41.06 | Guerin | EdLin: I wasn't serious about it being the best movie ever made, but it's probably the best western ever made. |
| 01:41.16 | tsume | gnube: well install the needed packages then |
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| 01:41.34 | EdLin | Guerin: The Unforgiven is pretty good. |
| 01:41.34 | tsume | gnube: I'm talking about once they get installed, things jsut work, and there are bugfixes. |
| 01:41.45 | Guerin | EdLin: yeh. The Wild Bunch is better. |
| 01:41.51 | gnube | tsume, the point is, evangelism is wonderful, but things are more complicated than you make them seem. |
| 01:42.30 | tsume | gnube: well.. I come from the land of BSD, they seem easy to me :) |
| 01:42.32 | Guerin | gnube: since when was evangelism wonderful? |
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| 01:42.59 | cdemwell | Guerin, evangelism is the best thing ever, and if you don't agree then you must be a lame noob |
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| 01:43.01 | gnube | Guerin, In the sense of promoting things one belives in. |
| 01:43.10 | beardy | Haha.. |
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| 01:43.19 | Guerin | cdemwell's response wins that troll-o-thon |
| 01:43.20 | tsume | UdontKnow: what is the mode to allow nonregistered to message me? |
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| 01:43.30 | cdemwell | !win cdemwell |
| 01:43.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, cdemwell! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:43.31 | Guerin | tsume: it's disabled |
| 01:43.35 | cdemwell | awwww yeahhhh |
| 01:43.48 | cdemwell | autorobotic validation |
| 01:43.50 | Guerin | cdemwell: > go oval office |
| 01:43.56 | Guerin | cdemwell: > use cigar with intern |
| 01:43.58 | cdemwell | Guerin: You are eaten by a grue |
| 01:44.07 | tsume | heh, I see. so that is how they are doing it :) |
| 01:44.36 | Guerin | cdemwell: > eat pretzel |
| 01:45.08 | poxysolaris | All your base are chowned to me |
| 01:45.21 | Guerin | poxysolaris: chowned me:me |
| 01:45.29 | poxysolaris | "I KNOW CHOWN" |
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| 01:45.39 | cdemwell | poxysolaris, show me |
| 01:45.40 | ShapeOfDespair | has any of you tried sarge 2.6.14? |
| 01:45.44 | FourierSeries | po knows chown |
| 01:45.52 | Guerin | ShapeOfDespair: ENOENT |
| 01:46.14 | Guerin | ShapeOfDespair: meaning "that doesn't exist" |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | ShapeOfDespair: the unofficial installer ? |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | !tell Boil about away |
| 01:46.26 | ShapeOfDespair | abrotman : yes |
| 01:46.31 | abrotman | ShapeOfDespair: why? |
| 01:46.42 | ShapeOfDespair | guerin : it does |
| 01:46.47 | tsume | cdemwell: this is what makes ruby better than python http://po-ru.com/diary/ruby-propaganda/ |
| 01:46.52 | ShapeOfDespair | abrotman : just want to know if it works ok |
| 01:46.59 | tsume | cdemwell: :) |
| 01:47.02 | ShapeOfDespair | tsume : python rulez forget about ruby |
| 01:47.04 | Guerin | ShapeOfDespair: really? I don't see it on http://debian.org/releases/sarge |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | ShapeOfDespair: uh .. try it |
| 01:47.11 | tsume | ShapeOfDespair: I don't think so :) |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 01:47.13 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 01:47.18 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.14 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 01:47.23 | ShapeOfDespair | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 01:47.27 | Boil | sorry about that |
| 01:47.36 | Boil | accidentally typed aaway rather than just away |
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| 01:48.29 | cdemwell | tsume, I'm sorry, your bait is too high to rise to |
| 01:48.32 | cdemwell | I'm lazy |
| 01:48.39 | tsume | cdemwell: Its a joke. |
| 01:48.48 | cdemwell | yeah, sorry. I also have no sense of humour |
| 01:48.57 | tsume | cdemwell: http://www.archive.org/details/rubyanewdanger |
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| 01:49.05 | tsume | cdemwell: plus we have user made movies :D |
| 01:49.29 | cdemwell | right. Never using Ruby EVER. |
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| 01:49.33 | Boil | there we go |
| 01:49.37 | Boil | no more auto away msgs :) |
| 01:49.41 | Boil | sorry aboot that |
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| 01:50.17 | tsume | cdemwell: like I said, community as well. We can just call a fellow ruby programmer and meet up. its not only about getting the job done with most of us, its about learning, design, and new experience |
| 01:50.37 | cdemwell | dude |
| 01:50.41 | cdemwell | it's just a programming language |
| 01:51.21 | tsume | cdemwell: its more than that, its a great Object |
| 01:51.24 | abrotman | ruby sucks |
| 01:51.32 | abrotman | the smart people use emerald |
| 01:51.34 | tsume | cdemwell: I met a fellow Rubyist here in Alaska |
| 01:51.35 | cdemwell | !start flamewar |
| 01:51.44 | tsume | oh dear, you said watch out for abrotman :D |
| 01:51.45 | cdemwell | oh wait, already done |
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| 01:52.21 | tsume | cdemwell: we set up a server, I made new friends, future business clients, better networking. Ruby has made my life better :) |
| 01:52.21 | Guerin | tsume: they have computers in alaska? |
| 01:52.30 | nimak2 | hah |
| 01:52.31 | nimak2 | a |
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| 01:52.44 | tsume | Guerin: no, we just eat this all day http://tsumelabs.com/whale_bitesize.jpg |
| 01:52.44 | cdemwell | tsume, what kind of server? |
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| 01:53.03 | Guerin | tsume: not bad stuff, that |
| 01:53.09 | Guerin | blubber is a bit nasty though |
| 01:53.11 | tsume | cdemwell: well. I didn't want to put debian on him since he has been out of the linux loop for a while, so I installed ubuntu. |
| 01:53.16 | tsume | Guerin: I love blubber |
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| 01:53.25 | abrotman | ubuntu does suck :) |
| 01:53.28 | Guerin | tsume: the stuff I had tasted like pork fat cooked on tyres |
| 01:53.39 | tsume | cdemwell: he is still learning, so I think ubuntu will be the crutch to debain ;) |
| 01:53.42 | ShapeOfDespair | abrotman : no it definitely doesn't ;) |
| 01:53.48 | tsume | Guerin: You eat whale raw |
| 01:54.03 | tsume | Guerin: it was really good. |
| 01:54.09 | Guerin | tsume: yes ... i did. The blubber was cooked, though. |
| 01:54.16 | Guerin | tsume: the meat raw was the best. |
| 01:54.21 | tsume | Guerin: aww, they ruined it :( |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | it most certainly does |
| 01:54.32 | Guerin | tsume: koreans, what can I say. |
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| 01:54.47 | tsume | Guerin: they only make good chinese food :) |
| 01:55.09 | Guerin | tsume: you obviously haven't been to korea. The chinese food here is terrible. The korean food, however, is fantastic. |
| 01:55.27 | tsume | Guerin: they make good chinese food here in the US |
| 01:55.44 | tsume | Guerin: they make it so much, they get it correct. Not too sticky, not too soggy |
| 01:55.55 | tsume | Guerin: not completely droused in soy sauce |
| 01:56.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:56.01 | gnube | abrotman, Why do you dislike Ubuntu? |
| 01:56.21 | tsume | ubuntu is more user centric than debian is. |
| 01:56.29 | Guerin | i had some superb pizza in beijing, actually |
| 01:56.37 | tsume | Guerin: pizza? :D |
| 01:56.48 | gnube | Beijing is nasty. |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | gnube: why not ? |
| 01:57.07 | Guerin | tsume: yeah. Hand tossed, real ingredients, wood-fired oven - ¥60 |
| 01:57.12 | Guerin | about US$7 |
| 01:57.15 | tsume | abrotman: you dislike ubuntu, yet more debian developers actually work on ubuntu |
| 01:57.27 | tsume | Guerin: ohh.. you mean *REAL* pizza ;) |
| 01:57.30 | Guerin | gnube: beijing is fine. |
| 01:57.35 | Guerin | tsume: yeah, the real live shit. |
| 01:57.45 | Guerin | gnube: bangkok is nasty. |
| 01:57.49 | gnube | abrotman, Well, I was just curious. |
| 01:57.51 | abrotman | tsume: not really |
| 01:57.57 | tsume | Guerin: I like when the pizza is cooked that way. |
| 01:58.02 | gnube | Guerin, Beijing is dirty man, and it is hard to breathe. |
| 01:58.18 | tsume | abrotman: go in #ubuntu-devel and as who on the ubuntu project is a debian or ex-debian developer |
| 01:58.23 | Guerin | gnube: no worse than any other asian capital |
| 01:58.26 | gnube | When I was there , there was smog in the hotel. |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | i don't care if they are ex-debian |
| 01:58.36 | gnube | Guerin, Really? Wow. |
| 01:58.53 | azeem | tsume: well, money makes the world go round |
| 01:58.55 | tsume | Guerin: do they just work work wotk there? |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | tsume: why not go to debian-devel and ask who is a ubuntu dev |
| 01:59.04 | tsume | azeem: very true. |
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| 01:59.09 | abrotman | or go to oftc and ask there |
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| 01:59.37 | abrotman | not really .. |
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| 01:59.58 | tsume | abrotman: then how come you aren't giving any real answers to disliking ubuntu? |
| 02:00.02 | abrotman | tsume: why not take a semi-official poll .. ask the mailing lists .. post the data somewhere |
| 02:00.05 | romulo | hi, how i bind a adress to a device on boot time? like bind eth0 to module sis900 |
| 02:00.06 | romulo | =P |
| 02:00.10 | EdLin | "what's wrong with Ubuntu" on #debian is a real troll |
| 02:00.11 | Guerin | tsume: not at all. It's really not any different from any other metropolis. People drive nice cars and have flash phones and makeup and drink at sidewalk cafes and complain about not getting off work early and go to the movies and gi insane when Man Utd. comes to town. |
| 02:00.36 | tsume | Guerin: oh, so its not like Tokyo |
| 02:00.36 | bucky | tsume, ubuntu is a candy ass desktop distro for people who can't read docs |
| 02:00.37 | seeds | hello i can only boot debian in recovery mode |
| 02:00.40 | azeem | tsume: distribution meta-discussions are off-topic here, so you cannot really complain about any answers, sorry |
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| 02:00.47 | Guerin | tsume: no, people are friendly. |
| 02:00.48 | abrotman | for sarge there was almost 1500 developers .. you think they all work on ubuntu ? |
| 02:00.50 | tsume | azeem: yeah well. I guessed that. |
| 02:00.55 | seeds | i get socks hardware error when i boot normally |
| 02:01.11 | tsume | Guerin: and they are alright about having a communist government? |
| 02:01.12 | seeds | and it stops at that point |
| 02:01.28 | Guerin | tsume: sure thing. I suppose they have to be on a day-to-day basis. |
| 02:01.53 | tsume | Guerin: I just find the red book a little weird |
| 02:02.10 | tsume | Guerin: I've been reading it, even though I'm an American, I had to smuggle a version from p2p |
| 02:02.15 | Guerin | tsume: the one thing I noticed is that the city is build for crowd control. It's hard to get anywhere fast on foot. There are fences and barriers and underpasses and so on (what the military would call 'choke points') everywhere. |
| 02:02.16 | gnube | Guerin, Politics is a contact sport in China. And it is going to get worse. |
| 02:02.21 | teknoprep | yone know how to set the font color for aterm to White? |
| 02:02.29 | Guerin | gnube: yeah. |
| 02:02.29 | tsume | Guerin: you seen what happend on the article link from trolldot :) |
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| 02:02.40 | Guerin | tsume: nah. Hong Kong? |
| 02:02.49 | cdemwell | Guerin, you know what to do |
| 02:02.53 | cdemwell | paintball city. |
| 02:03.01 | Guerin | cdemwell: heh |
| 02:03.13 | Guerin | cdemwell: Paintball: Tiananmen |
| 02:03.19 | Guerin | PRACE YOUR BETS!!! |
| 02:03.23 | cdemwell | man |
| 02:03.26 | tsume | http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm |
| 02:03.28 | cdemwell | paintball tanks would be neat |
| 02:03.31 | tsume | Guerin: ^^ |
| 02:03.36 | Guerin | winning three teams go on to Paintball: Xanadu |
| 02:03.48 | seeds | is there a way to fix that bootup problem? |
| 02:03.56 | cdemwell | going to cover the pleasure dome in paint? |
| 02:04.02 | Guerin | seeds: socks hardware? |
| 02:04.06 | adaran | can anyone maybe help me out with an encoding problem? i want to use NFD UTF-8 instead of NFC UTF-8, does my locale influence that? |
| 02:04.08 | seeds | yes |
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| 02:04.20 | seeds | i dont know how that happened? |
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| 02:04.23 | tsume | Guerin: do they have good women in Beijing? |
| 02:04.39 | Guerin | tsume: it's a git of 12 million people. They have one of everything. |
| 02:04.44 | Guerin | s/git/city/ |
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| 02:05.02 | gnube | Beijing is huge. |
| 02:05.08 | tsume | Guerin: women who sale sex as well? |
| 02:05.08 | FourierSeries | somehow "git" seems more fitting ... |
| 02:05.31 | Guerin | tsume: see above re: everything. |
| 02:05.43 | tsume | Guerin: mm, sounds like a nice city. |
| 02:06.04 | EdLin | tsume: put down that crack pipe! |
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| 02:06.14 | Guerin | i'm going back to china in ... |
| 02:06.14 | cdemwell | what the |
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| 02:06.20 | tsume | EdLin: as long as they have a titty bar, I'm happy :D |
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| 02:06.27 | dhuv | hello all |
| 02:06.29 | Guerin | 71 days |
| 02:06.37 | tsume | Guerin: business? |
| 02:06.38 | gnube | tsume, go say that on debian-women. |
| 02:06.44 | Guerin | tsume: travel |
| 02:06.47 | tsume | Guerin: oh. |
| 02:07.04 | Guerin | http://rt2k6.feayn.org |
| 02:07.11 | tsume | gnube: what? I'm male :) Sex is always on minds of male. |
| 02:07.13 | dhuv | I came across kxdocker in kde-look.org and I am interested getting it installed, since 0.39 had many performance improvements I decided to go for that version |
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| 02:07.27 | tsume | kde-look is finally back up? |
| 02:07.34 | dhuv | I could not find debian packages anywhere for kxdocker-0.39 |
| 02:07.39 | dhuv | tsume: yes |
| 02:07.50 | tsume | dhuv: finally :/ |
| 02:07.56 | dhuv | so I decided to compile myself and am getting very wierd results with the binary |
| 02:07.59 | Guerin | tsume: woah, re: LRB |
| 02:08.15 | dhuv | first of all, I cannot compile it with --enable-final |
| 02:08.21 | dhuv | it fails during make |
| 02:08.31 | Guerin | dhuv: the error might be of some use |
| 02:08.44 | tsume | Guerin: LRB? |
| 02:08.48 | dhuv | if I leave that option out, and compile it with only --disable-debug it works |
| 02:08.53 | Guerin | tsume: little red book |
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| 02:09.16 | acad | whats the latest version of the kernel with the version of debian that works best on the desktop? it's unstable? i think. |
| 02:09.16 | dhuv | Guerin: I will get to the error, but first let me explain the entire problem |
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| 02:09.19 | kartoo | i had installed php4 package in my debian sarge. But still php command says php: command not found. what should i do? |
| 02:09.23 | tsume | Guerin: yes, the little red book. I've both peiking and the english version |
| 02:09.40 | Guerin | acad: use stable if you don't want broken gnome/kde |
| 02:09.43 | tsume | Guerin: I like to know about everything, I don't like my human rights being restrictied |
| 02:09.47 | Guerin | acad: otherwise, testing has 2.6.12 |
| 02:09.52 | dhuv | after I start the darn thing, I go into the Configuration and notice that the window is maximized, and it stays that way |
| 02:10.01 | Guerin | acad: don't use unstable |
| 02:10.03 | dhuv | as I go through the tabs, certain parts of the configuration flicker |
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| 02:10.23 | acad | Guerin i have a really really new ibm t43 laptop- and almost nothing works well. trying to get the latest so stuff works better. hardware |
| 02:10.27 | EdLin | tsume: did you read about someone who was visited by Homeland Security for ordering it from a library? |
| 02:10.28 | a1fa | guys |
| 02:10.32 | dhuv | so does anybody know if I can download deb packages for kxdocker for "testing" |
| 02:10.32 | a1fa | i keep seeing this error in dmsg: hda: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| 02:10.42 | Guerin | acad: oh, ok. |
| 02:10.43 | a1fa | sometimes my sistem freezes for 30s and then it goes back online |
| 02:10.43 | a1fa | hda: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| 02:10.58 | Gnea | a1fa: well that sucks. |
| 02:10.59 | Guerin | acad: if you have to use unstable, go as minimal as possible. The more you install, the more can break. |
| 02:11.16 | a1fa | Gnea: nigga, you fsck with people all day lomg |
| 02:11.17 | Gnea | a1fa: is that a cd or an hd |
| 02:11.23 | a1fa | its a hd |
| 02:11.24 | tsume | EdLin: yes |
| 02:11.36 | dhuv | acad: what does not work, I have a T42 and most of the hardware is fine with testing |
| 02:11.38 | Gnea | a1fa: i help people. show some respect if you want any. |
| 02:11.40 | a1fa | Gnea: brand new HD, i just run western digital diag on it.. NO errors |
| 02:11.46 | tsume | EdLin: that is the link I just showed Gue |
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| 02:11.59 | tsume | EdLin: I had to pirate it to read it |
| 02:12.11 | acad | Guerin aww- yea- do you know what version it has? unstable of the kernel? i tested a knoppix cd- just to see how much was actually supported in the latest and greatest. i'd like to install debian if it also has the latest. |
| 02:12.20 | Gnea | a1fa: how big and how many partitions? |
| 02:12.22 | a1fa | Gnea: so western digital diag found zero erros |
| 02:12.27 | Guerin | acad: unstable has 2.6.14 |
| 02:12.40 | Guerin | acad: but it was also unbootable a couple days ago; unsure if it's fixed now |
| 02:12.45 | Gnea | a1fa: of course not, why would they shoot themselves in the foot? |
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| 02:13.04 | a1fa | Gnea: ATA100 / 80 GB / 7200RPM / 6 partitions, including swap |
| 02:13.15 | a1fa | Gnea: that tool works |
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| 02:13.29 | Gnea | a1fa: blindly? |
| 02:13.42 | acad | dhuv the t43 has a HUGE change in terms the chipsets.. and unsupported ones. it has SATA chipset for the hard drive, USB that isn't compatible with older kernels anyway (2.4 at least) and i can't play dvds with libdvdcss- i think due to sata & hdparm not working |
| 02:13.48 | Gnea | a1fa: does it allow low-level formatting? |
| 02:14.09 | a1fa | Gnea: the tool? |
| 02:14.15 | a1fa | Gnea: probably so |
| 02:14.23 | a1fa | Gnea: write all zeros to the drive |
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| 02:14.48 | ticker | I have something strange going on, when I ping a host name from my debian box there is a long delay like it's getting slow lookups. Several seconds later the ping command identifies that it has resolved the name, another few seconds and the first ping replies, yet another few the next ping. |
| 02:14.54 | a1fa | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 02:15.03 | Guerin | ticker: that's life. |
| 02:15.09 | acad | Guerin i don't know if 2.6.14 (the version that came with knoppix) had good support for the hardware- i know i had sound, usb (i might not have), sata support for this laptop, etc. |
| 02:15.10 | Guerin | ticker: use faster nameservers |
| 02:15.24 | dhuv | acad: http://linux.spiney.org/debian_gnu_linux_on_an_ibm_thinkpad_t43p |
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| 02:15.38 | ticker | Guerin: It has nothing to do with the speed of the nameservers. |
| 02:15.46 | Gnea | a1fa: do you have another system you can plug the hd onto? |
| 02:15.54 | Guerin | acad: if you can get it installed (ie, if the kernel has your sata controller) then you can upgrade to a newer kernel after install. |
| 02:15.56 | dhuv | so does anybody know where I can find kxdocker packages for testing? |
| 02:16.20 | a1fa | Gnea nope |
| 02:16.22 | Guerin | ticker: what makes you say that? You said it looked like slow lookups. |
| 02:16.31 | acad | dhuv i actually looked at some of this- i'm not really looking into doing too much work to get it working. i have a 'patched up' version of debian (not sure which version, i guess stable 2.4.12) that someone installed (i bought it this way) |
| 02:16.36 | Gnea | a1fa: how about another ide cable? |
| 02:16.38 | a1fa | bunch of people are having the same problem |
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| 02:16.46 | a1fa | the ide cable came with the Hard Drive |
| 02:16.48 | Gnea | what's the model number? |
| 02:16.53 | ticker | Guerin: Because it behaves normally on other machines that use the same name servers. |
| 02:16.54 | a1fa | nope, i dont have any |
| 02:16.56 | a1fa | dunno |
| 02:16.59 | Gnea | sec |
| 02:17.24 | a1fa | Model Family: Western Digital Caviar family |
| 02:17.24 | a1fa | Device Model: WDC WD800BB-22JHC0 |
| 02:17.24 | a1fa | Serial Number: WD-WCAM9A942307 |
| 02:17.30 | a1fa | smartctl -i |
| 02:17.32 | acad | Guerin yea- i might want to upgrade the kernal- if it has betters upport then the patched kernel specifically done for this laptop |
| 02:17.36 | Gnea | WD800BB |
| 02:17.38 | Gnea | ok |
| 02:17.39 | Guerin | !paster a1fa |
| 02:17.39 | dpkg | a1fa: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 02:18.07 | ticker | Guerin: Additionally, it's not just the initial lookup that 'appears' to be slow. There are pauses between every response, but the response times are normal. |
| 02:18.24 | Guerin | ticker: i get behavior like that, sometimes. |
| 02:18.34 | ticker | It's like the box is overwhelmed or something, but it's not. |
| 02:18.52 | a1fa | Gnea: i dont know what to do man |
| 02:19.06 | a1fa | Gnea: ever since i switched to kernel 2.6.x tree, i've been getting same problems |
| 02:19.51 | Gnea | a1fa: what does this produce: lspci | grep IDE |
| 02:20.10 | a1fa | 0000:00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 02:20.16 | Gnea | aaaaah |
| 02:20.29 | a1fa | shitty pci bus :P |
| 02:20.31 | Gnea | !paste |
| 02:20.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 02:20.35 | tsume | no kidding.. |
| 02:20.39 | ugly | fooz: you zoof |
| 02:20.41 | a1fa | its one line |
| 02:20.42 | netbrain | anyone here have experience with mod_bt? |
| 02:20.45 | a1fa | not like i pasted 2000 lines |
| 02:20.49 | a1fa | like other morons |
| 02:20.51 | Gnea | a1fa: can you paste the contents of /var/log/dmesg at the above site please |
| 02:20.57 | Guerin | !flood |
| 02:20.58 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:21.00 | a1fa | aight |
| 02:21.02 | Guerin | one line is fine |
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| 02:21.22 | Gnea | a1fa: calm down, i said !paste to put the url on the screen |
| 02:21.24 | Gnea | :) |
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| 02:22.00 | a1fa | Gnea http://channels.debian.net/paste/1301 |
| 02:22.07 | Gnea | checking |
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| 02:23.24 | amilcarv | I have installed postfix in my debian server, went trougnt this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier_p5 but if i send an email from the outside, the message if not send to the mailbox and in the logs I can see connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused |
| 02:23.24 | Gnea | a1fa: ok, i see a few things, let's take it one at a time |
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| 02:23.33 | amilcarv | what I am missing? |
| 02:23.52 | a1fa | Gnea: what you got bubba? |
| 02:24.33 | netbrain | is there anywhere i can specify what gcc version it should use to compile? |
| 02:24.58 | a1fa | netbrain: how about LN? |
| 02:25.12 | a1fa | ln -s gcc4.0 gcc |
| 02:25.17 | Guerin | amilcarv: the smtp server is accepting the message, then failing to pass it onto another daemon running on 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:25.32 | Guerin | amilcarv: because that daemon either isn't running, or isn't running on the port specified. |
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| 02:25.41 | Guerin | amilcarv: so figure out which it is, and rectify it. |
| 02:25.49 | Gnea | a1fa: your APIC got turned off - you can turn it on again by editting /boot/grub/menu.lst and adding 'lapic' to the end of the 'kernel' line |
| 02:25.56 | rafx | bah. just apt-get qpsmtpd :) |
| 02:26.01 | a1fa | Gnea: i disabled APIC |
| 02:26.11 | Gnea | a1fa: what for? |
| 02:26.20 | a1fa | Gnea: it doesnt interact well with KT chipset.. it reboots my box once a while |
| 02:26.27 | Gnea | ok nevermind |
| 02:26.35 | Gnea | try pci=routeirq then |
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| 02:26.40 | a1fa | Gnea: its a known issue with KT, PVR-500 tuners |
| 02:26.45 | yel | hello everyone |
| 02:26.46 | Gnea | d'oh |
| 02:26.47 | a1fa | i'll add that to append in lilo |
| 02:26.52 | amilcarv | ok Guerin |
| 02:26.54 | Gnea | alright |
| 02:26.56 | a1fa | what does pci=routeirq do? |
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| 02:27.11 | Gnea | it changes the way the pci bridges routes interrupts |
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| 02:27.20 | Gnea | *bridge |
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| 02:27.45 | utec | hola |
| 02:27.57 | mrnull | I was trying to help my friend with the resolv.conf message and he got this error: chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /etc/resolv.conf. Any ideas? |
| 02:28.00 | a1fa | append="pci=routeirq" |
| 02:28.05 | a1fa | added.. anything else i shoul dadd? |
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| 02:28.22 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 02:28.25 | Gnea | just that for now |
| 02:28.32 | utec | como puedo instalar yahoo en suse |
| 02:28.36 | Gnea | give 'er a run and reboot |
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| 02:29.00 | a1fa | ok.. letz see |
| 02:29.12 | Guerin | mrnull: lsattr /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:29.15 | ugly | utec: #debian-es |
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| 02:29.34 | mrnull | what does lsattr do? |
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| 02:29.43 | SimonRaven | s/he asked '... en suse' |
| 02:29.46 | yel | anyone here using postgresql ? |
| 02:29.50 | Guerin | ugly: he's using suse and wants to know about yahoo |
| 02:29.52 | Gnea | list file attributes |
| 02:29.52 | SimonRaven | utec: #suse |
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| 02:30.00 | Guerin | ugly: what use is #debian-es going to be? |
| 02:30.01 | ugly | heh thought suse might have been a spanish word |
| 02:30.01 | ugly | haha |
| 02:30.02 | mrnull | Guerin: Ah, so you think maybe he wans't logged in as root? |
| 02:30.13 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 02:30.17 | abrotman | yel: many people |
| 02:30.25 | kartoo | i installed php4 and my commandline mode like, php index.php gives the expected output. But when i open it in a browser it shows me the download dialog box. why is that? what more should i install? |
| 02:30.25 | Guerin | mrnull: no. If the file is +i, it can't be modified by anyone, not even root. |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | kartoo: libapache{2}-mod-php4 is needed |
| 02:30.45 | Guerin | kartoo: you haven't configured your webserver properly |
| 02:31.03 | SimonRaven | the kernel prevents write to everyone with +i attribute |
| 02:31.07 | SimonRaven | files |
| 02:32.13 | mrnull | Ah, so he'll need to chattr -i before he uses the chattr fix. Cool. |
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| 02:32.20 | utec | hola a todos me pueden contestar como instalar yahooo en suse |
| 02:32.36 | c459s | I have a ps/2 mouse, how can I find out which devicename it has on the system? /dev/input/mice does not work. |
| 02:32.41 | a1fa | Gnea: the error is still there |
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| 02:32.47 | Gnea | !suse |
| 02:32.47 | dpkg | [suse] a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse |
| 02:33.01 | Gnea | a1fa: sec |
| 02:33.04 | sussudio | utec is n=knoppix@201.247.30.3 * Knoppix User |
| 02:33.04 | sussudio | ... |
| 02:33.38 | Gnea | a1fa: is that an 80pin ide cable or 40pin? |
| 02:33.58 | kartoo | abrotman: its installed only. still the same. |
| 02:34.04 | a1fa | hm |
| 02:34.07 | a1fa | i am not sure |
| 02:34.10 | utec | no entiendo |
| 02:34.18 | a1fa | how can you tell the difference |
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| 02:34.25 | ugly | utec: #debian es para debian solamente - instale debian ahora mismo, puta |
| 02:34.29 | kartoo | abrotman: it says the newest version is already installed |
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| 02:34.32 | ugly | </broken> |
| 02:34.33 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 02:35.03 | Gnea | a1fa: does the cable look identical to the cable on the cdrom drive, or does it look like it has smaller wires grouped together? |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | kartoo: look for the AddType line for .php |
| 02:35.22 | a1fa | it looks like ide cable |
| 02:35.27 | Gnea | heh |
| 02:35.32 | Gnea | ok |
| 02:35.37 | a1fa | Gnea: it looks like CDROM cable |
| 02:35.43 | a1fa | i guess thats the 40pin |
| 02:35.49 | utec | que instale debian |
| 02:35.59 | Gnea | a1fa: sec, i'll find some pix |
| 02:36.01 | Guerin | a1fa: 80 wire have very thin wires |
| 02:36.08 | Guerin | a1fa: 40 wire have thicker wires |
| 02:36.18 | utec | ugle explicame |
| 02:36.21 | Guerin | a1fa: you can count them, but it should be clear from an eyeometer check. |
| 02:36.32 | Guerin | !install debian |
| 02:36.33 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 02:36.37 | Guerin | utec: ^ |
| 02:36.42 | Gnea | a1fa: if it's a 40pin then that could be a problem - ata66/100+ require the extra pins for proper communication |
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| 02:36.58 | Guerin | Gnea: notn pins. Only wires. |
| 02:37.17 | Gnea | sorry, wires, not pins |
| 02:37.21 | Gnea | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:37.30 | a1fa | Interface 40-pin EIDE |
| 02:37.33 | a1fa | its a 40 pin |
| 02:37.34 | Guerin | utec: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index.es.html |
| 02:37.36 | utec | ugle mandame informacion amanuel_750@yahoo.com |
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| 02:37.40 | Gnea | alright |
| 02:37.43 | Gnea | that's the problem |
| 02:37.55 | Guerin | a1fa: you need to turn udma off in bios |
| 02:38.02 | a1fa | it came with the Hard Drive |
| 02:38.05 | utec | como intalo el mesenyer de yahoo en suse 9.3 |
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| 02:38.21 | abrotman | utec: va a #suse .. /join #suse |
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| 02:38.43 | Gnea | a1fa: http://www.esskabel.de/Produkte/Kabelkonfektion/UDMA-66-100/KAB-UDMA100-1-500.jpg |
| 02:38.45 | karto1 | abrotman: sorry. my connection terminated due to power fluctuation. I was there till you asked me to check AddType line. |
| 02:38.46 | ugly | utec: callate la boca ahora o voy a matarte |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | karto1: did you ? |
| 02:38.55 | karto1 | where should i look for it abrotman? |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | karto1: in your apache config files |
| 02:39.02 | a1fa | yeah |
| 02:39.05 | a1fa | thats how my cable looks like |
| 02:39.21 | Gnea | a1fa: you'll get better performance with the 80pin - but yeah, turn the udma off for now, see if the errors go away |
| 02:39.31 | Guerin | a1fa: that's an 80 wire cable |
| 02:39.40 | utec | por que ugle |
| 02:39.50 | a1fa | Guerin: if i turn off DMA, my video will jitter then |
| 02:40.03 | ugly | utec: porque no me gustas |
| 02:40.04 | utec | solo soy un innorante que quiere aprender linux |
| 02:40.32 | ugly | I must be bored for cursing at mexicans in broken spanish |
| 02:40.34 | Guerin | a1fa: http://usa.aopen.com/products/mb/accessory/idecable.htm # 40-wire |
| 02:40.36 | Manoj_ | http://master.debian.org/~srivasta/gr_declassification.html |
| 02:40.43 | Guerin | a1fa: note difference in wire thickness |
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| 02:41.10 | Gnea | a1fa: no, you can still have kernel-level DMA turned on while not having UDMA turned on in the bios |
| 02:41.19 | utec | soy un salvadoreño |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | Manoj_: great graph :) |
| 02:41.35 | a1fa | hm |
| 02:41.38 | a1fa | ok |
| 02:41.40 | ugly | traceroute says you're a mexican |
| 02:41.45 | ramiro | is there a way to convert a / partition from reiserfs to ext3 ? |
| 02:41.46 | utec | que quiere conocer y utilizar linux |
| 02:41.50 | Guerin | be more interesting in a few days |
| 02:42.05 | abrotman | he speaks spanish afaict |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:42.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:42.14 | Guerin | ramiro: yeah. back everything up and run mkfs.ext3 |
| 02:42.30 | a1fa | Gnea: aight.. i'll try that later, thanks for your help |
| 02:42.35 | a1fa | Gnea: i gotta bail |
| 02:42.37 | Gnea | a1fa: no problem |
| 02:42.38 | ramiro | only back everything ? |
| 02:42.40 | Gnea | good luck |
| 02:42.49 | Gnea | a1fa: and don't forget the salt shaker ;) |
| 02:42.50 | Guerin | ramiro: yeah. There's no conversion utility. |
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| 02:43.05 | ramiro | ok, thanks, lets backup all |
| 02:43.37 | c459s | guys, I really need to find out where my mouse is on the system, how can I do it? Its a ps/2 mouse, and I've tried /dev/input/mouse1, /dev/input/mice, /dev/psaux without any success. Any ideas? |
| 02:43.53 | Guerin | c459s: /dev/psaux |
| 02:44.10 | Guerin | c459s: you need to have modules psmouse and perhaps mousedev loaded |
| 02:44.12 | utec | un gusto hablar con ustedes by |
| 02:44.29 | EdLin | !tell utec -about es |
| 02:44.37 | c459s | Guerin: Where do I check if those modules are loaded? |
| 02:44.47 | Guerin | c459s: lsmod |
| 02:44.55 | c459s | Guerin: thanks. |
| 02:45.00 | Guerin | EdLin: we're being too subtle |
| 02:45.25 | EdLin | Guerin: es verdad |
| 02:45.41 | ugly | broken spanish for "shut up now or I'm going to kill you" |
| 02:45.51 | ugly | it's funny because it's spanish! |
| 02:46.02 | netbrain | is there an environment variable that allows me to set include dirs? |
| 02:46.43 | ugly | netbrain: './configure --help' for whatever program you're gonna compile - it should tell you it |
| 02:46.48 | ugly | I don't know the name offhand |
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| 02:48.47 | karto1 | abrotman: I addedd the lines AddType application/x-httpd-php .php and AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps and restarted Apache2. stil the same problem. Even if i open some php file directly from my home folder in browser, it shows up the download dialog only. |
| 02:48.49 | netbrain | ugly: --includedir=? |
| 02:49.08 | abrotman | karto1: did you restart your browser ? |
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| 02:49.11 | ugly | netbrain: well that wouldn't be an environmental variable - that's a configure argument |
| 02:49.18 | ugly | netbrain: look towards the top of the ./configure output |
| 02:49.22 | amilcarv | karto1 |
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| 02:49.32 | karto1 | no. restarting now only |
| 02:49.33 | amilcarv | are try to access directly the php file |
| 02:49.38 | rdx | anyone here good with install xserver? |
| 02:49.40 | karto1 | abrotman: restarting |
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| 02:49.48 | abrotman | karto1: is it external also ? |
| 02:49.48 | rdx | i get this Error HOSTNAME: UNKNOWN HOSTNAME. |
| 02:50.00 | rdx | what i start X |
| 02:50.05 | rdx | when*( |
| 02:50.10 | deepspace | Alright I am stuck. I am trying to get a simple external modem to work on my laptop, connected to my serial port. It works fine in Windows, no problem. It is not a winmodem. It is a clone of a USR Sportster and in Windows requires no special drivers, configuration, etc. On the same machine when I boot into Linux I cannot get anything out the serial port - Watching the lights on the modem it is simply not receiving any d |
| 02:50.10 | deepspace | ata (via minicom). |
| 02:50.20 | karto1 | abrotman: still the same. yeah it persists external to apache also |
| 02:50.21 | amilcarv | I good trick to have php working is to install phpmyadmin, always works with me :) |
| 02:50.32 | deepspace | Anyone here with a lot of experience in modems, any idea where else to look? I am fairly confident all the modules are compiled in, as I built the kernel myself - about 8 times now. |
| 02:50.37 | ugly | what's a modem |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | karto1: i meant .. is the server external ? |
| 02:50.47 | deepspace | Also the IRQ is not shared. IRQ4 is open as far as I can tell from /proc/interrupts |
| 02:50.52 | karto1 | no. in external server it works properly |
| 02:50.58 | rdx | any ideas? |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | karto1: i meant .. can i access the url ? |
| 02:51.05 | sTone_heAd | amilcarv, a better trick is write <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | rdx: got anything in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 02:51.16 | rdx | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:51.20 | rdx | the name of the box :P |
| 02:51.21 | karto1 | abrotman: just a min' |
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| 02:51.32 | amilcarv | ok |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | rdx: but no localhost entry ? |
| 02:51.45 | rdx | abrotman: no... no localhost entry |
| 02:51.53 | rdx | localhost should be in there? |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | rdx: that's usually a good thing .. is there even a 127.0.0.1 entry ? |
| 02:52.31 | c459s | Guerin: the module psmouse is installed on my system (this is a fresh debian etch install), but still the xserver complains about "/dev/psaux: no such device" when trying to start it. |
| 02:52.34 | rdx | abrotman: no. |
| 02:52.47 | rdx | c459s: try /dev/mice |
| 02:52.55 | Guerin | c459s: mousedev, usbhid also might be of use |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | you mean /dev/input/mice ? |
| 02:53.02 | rdx | yeah :P |
| 02:53.04 | Guerin | rdx: itym /dev/input/mice, and he has already |
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| 02:53.19 | foampeace | whats the equivalent to /etc/modules.conf |
| 02:53.29 | Guerin | !wayttd foampeace |
| 02:53.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, foampeace? |
| 02:53.44 | rdx | hrmrhmrm |
| 02:53.52 | foampeace | dpkg: options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8 |
| 02:53.55 | c459s | Guerin: Do you think there could be something wrong with the kernel itself? Should I perhaps try to download another kernel? |
| 02:54.03 | Guerin | c459s: nope. |
| 02:54.22 | karto1 | abrotman: do you mean that you want to access the url where i have installed Apache and having problem? |
| 02:54.38 | ugly | foampeace: /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modutils/ are used (depending on kernel version, afaik) |
| 02:54.56 | karto1 | abrotman: i 've installed it in my system, which is not accessible from outside. |
| 02:55.24 | c459s | Guerin: do you have any more ideas as to what I could try then? :) |
| 02:55.33 | foampeace | ugly: 2.6 |
| 02:55.56 | ugly | foampeace: actually, that may have changed |
| 02:55.59 | Guerin | !mouse |
| 02:56.00 | dpkg | it has been said that mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG |
| 02:56.03 | ugly | foampeace: check out 'man /etc/modprobe.conf' |
| 02:56.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:56.06 | ugly | er |
| 02:56.08 | Guerin | !2.6 mouse |
| 02:56.08 | dpkg | i guess 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 02:56.08 | ugly | foampeace: check out 'man modprobe.conf' |
| 02:56.24 | Guerin | c459s: really, the above should work |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | karto1: that's what i meant :) |
| 02:56.38 | c459s | Guerin, thanks :) |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | karto1: what version of apache are you using ? |
| 02:56.55 | karto1 | abrotman: apache2 |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | karto1: so you installed libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 02:57.30 | karto1 | abrotman: yes |
| 02:57.49 | abrotman | karto1: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php4 | tail -1 ... what does it say ? |
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| 02:58.10 | karto1 | ii libapache2-mod 4.3.10-16 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag |
| 02:58.13 | karto1 | abrotman |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | karto1: grep php /etc/apache2/apache2.conf (i think that's the file) |
| 02:59.19 | abrotman | karto1: oh yeah .. did you also enable the module ? |
| 03:00.12 | karto1 | abrotman: i added thoes lines to httpd.conf. i'll uncomment those AddType lines in apache2.conf and then get back to u. |
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| 03:00.23 | abrotman | karto1: wait |
| 03:00.28 | M_Cheevy | do you guys know where superkaramba caches downloaded themes prior to installing them (or better, where it keeps it's list of what it thinks was downloaded)? |
| 03:00.29 | abrotman | karto1: did you enable the module ? |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | karto1: try using a2enmod .. to enable php4 |
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| 03:02.20 | karto1 | abrotman: it asks me the Module name. what module should i enable? libapache2-mod-php4? |
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| 03:02.36 | abrotman | karto1: i'd guess php4 .. but i'm not sure |
| 03:02.57 | karto1 | its enabled already it says |
| 03:03.00 | karto1 | abrotman |
| 03:03.04 | psycho666 | can i configure the "su" command to not ask for a user's password if i'm root ? |
| 03:03.10 | abrotman | karto1: ok .. try the change to apache2.conf |
| 03:03.30 | bucky | karto1, cat /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf |
| 03:03.41 | abrotman | oh see .. bucky gets a cookie! |
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| 03:04.40 | karto1 | bucky: <IfModule mod_php4.c> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps </IfModule> |
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| 03:05.03 | abrotman | well . that should cover it |
| 03:05.04 | karto1 | abrotman: changed in both. both contain the addtype lines |
| 03:05.33 | bucky | karto1, that should be enough.. cat /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 03:06.47 | karto1 | bucky: http://pastebin.com/468614 |
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| 03:07.29 | abrotman | karto1: do you have another browser to try ? |
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| 03:07.48 | karto1 | yah abrotman! i'll try in konqueror. |
| 03:07.53 | bucky | karto1, clear your cache in your browser |
| 03:08.22 | abrotman | though admittedly .. the logs would show if he aborted the download |
| 03:08.53 | tsume | abrotman: btw, I find it funny Ruby book sales sold over 20% more than Python books last year. With only 2 books for sale ! |
| 03:09.07 | tsume | abrotman: this is only the start btw, ruby is taking over ;) |
| 03:09.26 | abrotman | tsume: python is easier to learn .. doesn't require buying overpriced books :) |
| 03:09.32 | karto1 | opera shows it fine abrotman. but konqueror shows me the code |
| 03:09.33 | SimonRaven | deadcat: it has freaking issues, like not stopping when sent a signal from s-s-d |
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| 03:09.40 | tsume | abrotman: neither does ruby. |
| 03:09.54 | cdemwell | tsume, are you STILL going on about Ruby? |
| 03:09.57 | abrotman | tsume: you just said .. ruby sold more books .. apparently you're wrong |
| 03:10.01 | cdemwell | unreal |
| 03:10.04 | tsume | abrotman: people just buy the book as a easy ref, and the rails book is just a intermediate programmer crutch |
| 03:10.11 | abrotman | sure sure .. you tell yourself that :) |
| 03:10.11 | tsume | abrotman: they did sale more books |
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| 03:10.17 | EasterSunshine | does anyone know how to start X with all the colors inverted? |
| 03:10.24 | abrotman | tsume: and how many books did C# sell ? |
| 03:10.25 | karto1 | bucky: clearing cache doesn't help |
| 03:10.28 | tsume | abrotman: I looked at programming with ruby on rails, it is not basics |
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| 03:10.44 | tsume | abrotman: more than python + ruby combined most likely |
| 03:10.46 | karto1 | abrotman: opera shows it fine. but not the other browsers |
| 03:10.55 | abrotman | tsume: so that means C# is taking over ? |
| 03:10.58 | bucky | karto1, put a file in /var/www called phpinfo.php with this in it <?php phpinfo(); ?> and navigate your browser to http://localhost/phpinfo.php |
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| 03:11.05 | tsume | abrotman: actually.. :) |
| 03:11.14 | tsume | abrotman: java sold more books than any ;) |
| 03:11.17 | bucky | karto1, it was suggested above ^^ |
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| 03:11.30 | tsume | abrotman: mainly because classes use them. Its not their fault they can't pic their language to program in |
| 03:11.30 | abrotman | tsume: i'm not surprised |
| 03:11.47 | tsume | abrotman: I realize most programmers don't hav ea choice in what language to program in, but I do |
| 03:11.55 | tsume | abrotman: most are forced to use Java or C# :( |
| 03:12.01 | abrotman | tsume: i'm not |
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| 03:12.10 | karto1 | bucky: yah! doing |
| 03:12.10 | tsume | abrotman: thats a good thing :) |
| 03:12.13 | bucky | tsume, have you checked out the #rubyonrails channel? |
| 03:12.18 | tsume | bucky: yes |
| 03:12.22 | mosty | what do i have to do to get firefox to display more of the characters from other languages? (eg if you look at wikipedia's main page, down the bottom some of the other language names don't display properly) |
| 03:12.29 | tsume | bucky: I've used ruby for 3 years ;) |
| 03:12.29 | bucky | karto1, your php is working.. your php script is bad |
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| 03:12.33 | Guerin | mosty: install the correct fonts |
| 03:12.46 | tsume | bucky: rubyonrails is not my cup of tea for web programming. cgikit2 is(its made in ruby) |
| 03:12.47 | Guerin | mosty: bitstream fonts have reasonable unicode support |
| 03:12.53 | tsume | bucky: no embedded code in webpages |
| 03:13.01 | Guerin | mosty: i think arial-unicode has the most, though |
| 03:13.10 | bucky | tsume, ic |
| 03:13.15 | karto1 | bucky: that works fine. |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | karto1: then your PHP is fine |
| 03:13.27 | mosty | guerin: so i install those packages, then select them in firefox's preferences? |
| 03:13.28 | tsume | bucky: rubyonrails is a really good framework, but I just like something I can parse through a xhtml parser easily |
| 03:14.08 | karto1 | but the previous script i used contained just <?php echo '<p>Hello World</p>'; ?> what could be wrong in that ? |
| 03:14.13 | karto1 | bucky: |
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| 03:14.38 | abrotman | karto1: rename it .. try it again |
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| 03:14.48 | karto1 | abrotman: ok |
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| 03:15.20 | SimonRaven | deadcat: this thing is a PITA |
| 03:15.21 | lofdev | can anyone tell me how to get an nvidia ti4200 to do 1280x1024? |
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| 03:16.03 | karto1 | abrotman: still the same. I think this question should not be asked here, as per rules. but however.... |
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| 03:16.12 | bucky | karto1, don't you need double quotes <?php echo "<p>Hello World</p>"; ?> |
| 03:16.16 | abrotman | no |
| 03:16.26 | bucky | i hate php |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | single vs double affects variable interpretation .. that's about it IIRC |
| 03:16.52 | lofdev | bucky: " is correct. and you need both of them... |
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| 03:16.56 | Guerin | mosty: yeah. choose a good utf-8 font and set your default encoding to unicode |
| 03:17.04 | karto1 | bucky: still.... the same |
| 03:17.18 | karto1 | bucky: even after putting double quotes |
| 03:17.30 | bucky | oh well |
| 03:17.32 | lofdev | kartol: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:17.39 | chapium | which two floppy images are required to install debian? |
| 03:17.52 | chapium | boot.img and net-drivers.img? |
| 03:17.59 | abrotman | ot cd-drivers.img |
| 03:18.02 | abrotman | err or |
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| 03:18.10 | chapium | my cdrom is broke |
| 03:18.17 | abrotman | ok . then the net one |
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| 03:18.45 | bucky | abrotman, don't they have boot and root anymore/ |
| 03:18.50 | karto1 | bucky: would php work only if i put the file in /var/www/? |
| 03:19.02 | karto1 | the program works there bucky |
| 03:19.08 | lofdev | kartol: tell me problem again. I'll help |
| 03:19.18 | bucky | karto1, well there you go |
| 03:19.23 | karto1 | bucky: first, i had my program at my home folder |
| 03:19.26 | abrotman | bucky: no .. there is .. uhm .. boot.img and then cd/net.img |
| 03:19.54 | bucky | abrotman, it's changed since woody then :| |
| 03:20.00 | Thaiger | Does anyone know where I could get a good howto on encrypting my disk with loop-aes and a gpg key that applies to 2.6 |
| 03:20.00 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:20.23 | ales | Good evening * |
| 03:20.29 | karto1 | bucky, abrotman: sorry to trouble you all with such a silly thing. Thanx for ur gr8 help |
| 03:20.53 | abrotman | karto1: you got it ? |
| 03:20.53 | karto1 | bucky: i didnt know that php works only if the file is in var/www |
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| 03:21.25 | bucky | yep.. unless you tell apache different.. for security |
| 03:21.33 | karto1 | abrotman: i had put the file in my home folder thats why it didnt work. when i put it in /var/www it works fine |
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| 03:21.53 | lofdev | anyone (bueller, bueller) have an idea why a Ti4200 won't go past 1024x768 using xorg? |
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| 03:22.13 | karto1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.24 | ales | I just finished installing deb (3.1) and I am having trouble figuring out how to setup my sound. I've googled for "linux setup soundblaster live!" and no luck. Anyone here have time to help me out, or link me to the right direction? |
| 03:22.31 | bucky | karto1, apt-get apache2-doc and read it |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | karto1: ok .. good |
| 03:22.36 | lofdev | kartol: you have to set up a secondary home in httpd.conf |
| 03:22.38 | karto1 | bucky: not going to do that. but still, just to know |
| 03:22.44 | mosty | karto1: of course |
| 03:22.45 | karto1 | thanx abrotman and bucky |
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| 03:23.07 | netbrain | where do .so files go? |
| 03:23.09 | lofdev | kartol: the lines might be in your default httpd.conf, but commented |
| 03:23.18 | karto1 | lofdev: ok |
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| 03:23.43 | lofdev | !nvidia |
| 03:23.43 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 03:24.30 | lofdev | !nvidia-howto |
| 03:24.31 | dpkg | nvidia-howto is probably http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | lofdev: you mean apache2.conf or php4.conf ? |
| 03:24.38 | karto1 | !quanta |
| 03:24.38 | dpkg | i guess quanta is http://quanta.sourceforge.net |
| 03:24.43 | noah | does anybody happen to know what they generally do at funerals if the dead person has donated his/her cadaver to medical research? |
| 03:24.43 | abrotman | !msg the bots |
| 03:24.43 | dpkg | Oi, abrotman, message the bots, so you don't spam the channel. /msg apt foo. *snarl* Thankyou |
| 03:24.45 | karto1 | !gaim |
| 03:24.46 | dpkg | somebody said gaim was an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 03:24.47 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 03:24.47 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 03:24.56 | karto1 | hey! is dpkg a bot? |
| 03:25.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:25.10 | abrotman | or a very quick typist |
| 03:25.42 | karto1 | oh! gr8. In what language are these IRC bots written? |
| 03:25.51 | lofdev | abrotman: i suppose for apache2... |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | !tell karto1 about blootbot |
| 03:25.54 | ke6isf | karto1: Perl, usually. |
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| 03:26.08 | karto1 | should we write a bot for our channel separately, or IRC provides them? |
| 03:26.16 | ke6isf | karto1: Yes. |
| 03:26.35 | karto1 | ke6isf: yes for which part? |
| 03:26.47 | findme | java too check out pircbot |
| 03:26.56 | ke6isf | karto1: Yes for both, sort of. |
| 03:27.24 | karto1 | ke6isf: so, IRC provides some skeleton code, and we build on it. is it? |
| 03:27.51 | ke6isf | karto1: IRC only provides a means to an end - the daemon. The bot exists as a user on the network. (more) |
| 03:28.12 | karto1 | ke6isf: oh! ok. |
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| 03:28.29 | deuce868 | anyone user Maia Mailguard or an alternative for a web based alternative to quarantining files and releasing? |
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| 03:28.42 | findme | http://www.jibble.org/pircbot.php |
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| 03:28.50 | lofdev | so... no one with nvidia Ti4200 resolution help (can't get past 1024x768)... |
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| 03:29.07 | pipette | lofdev: Are you using an fb driver? |
| 03:29.12 | pipette | lofdev: If you're using "nv" or "nvidia" it should "just work" |
| 03:29.15 | ke6isf | karto1: You *can* write a bot, but if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. Also, while networks themselves don't provide the code for bots (and in some cases, bots are verboten on certain networks), people will deploy them, and as long as they're not doing nasty stuff like spamming, the networks that forbid them tend to look elsewhere. |
| 03:29.16 | karto1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.24 | lofdev | pipette: nope, and tried both nv and nvidia |
| 03:29.40 | pipelined | lofdev: Is this a mobile chipset? |
| 03:30.06 | karto1 | ke6isf: is there a good link where i can look for detailed info on these bots? |
| 03:30.06 | lofdev | pipelined: and the driver works, it just wont go passed 1024x768 (Ti4200 AGP card) |
| 03:30.13 | nprice | http://www.carphotoalbums.com/photos/data/613/110309phr-5camaro01_z-med.jpg |
| 03:30.16 | nprice | whoops |
| 03:30.21 | pipelined | lofdev: Then it's a misconfiguration. |
| 03:30.25 | ke6isf | !slap nprice |
| 03:30.27 | lofdev | er. nice passed? past... |
| 03:30.31 | karto1 | real good 1 ke6isf |
| 03:30.37 | lofdev | pipelined: right. any ideas? |
| 03:30.39 | karto1 | !bot |
| 03:30.39 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 03:30.41 | chapium | hmm |
| 03:30.48 | chapium | just out of curiosity, |
| 03:30.50 | pipelined | lofdev: Note that the resolution you put into your configuration is going to be the highest resolution available via xrandr or any other mechanism. |
| 03:31.02 | ke6isf | karto1: Yeah, you can google the information on bots. |
| 03:31.10 | ke6isf | And that said, time for me to amp out... |
| 03:31.10 | chapium | could one boot from a cdrom using boot.img, install via the network from there? |
| 03:31.24 | ke6isf | !tell chapium -about netinstall |
| 03:31.33 | lofdev | pipelined: right. so if I have 1280x1024in xorg.conf, but can't get there, where should I look? |
| 03:31.39 | abrotman | chapium: i thought you were using a floppy and your cd drive was broken ? |
| 03:31.56 | pipelined | lofdev: I suggest abandoning your xorg.conf and generating a new one using dexconf. |
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| 03:32.17 | pipelined | lofdev: "dexconf" will generate a fresh configuration file using the values in the debconf database. |
| 03:32.23 | abrotman | debconf ? |
| 03:32.30 | lofdev | pipelined: killed and used dpkg-reconfigure, killed and used xorgconfig, what is dexconf |
| 03:32.36 | abrotman | pipelined: are you on windows ? |
| 03:32.39 | pipelined | lofdev: I just told you what dexconf is. |
| 03:32.46 | pipelined | abrotman: Why, what is debconf used for now? |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | wtf is dexconf ? |
| 03:33.16 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 03:33.43 | Gnea | abrotman: windows? is that a new drug? |
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| 03:34.05 | abrotman | Gnea: i got a new drug |
| 03:34.08 | pipelined | abrotman: dexconf is a tool that's technically obsolete but very useful and installed alongside x-window-system packages. |
| 03:34.11 | lofdev | pipelined: no offense, but it is yet another way to configure xorg? |
| 03:34.17 | abrotman | pipelined: i see what it is |
| 03:34.19 | Gnea | abrotman: combustable? |
| 03:34.24 | lofdev | pipelined: i'll try anythign at this point... |
| 03:34.26 | abrotman | Gnea: you were supposed to sing |
| 03:34.29 | pipelined | lofdev: No. dexconf generates a config file using the existing settings in the database. |
| 03:34.42 | Gnea | abrotman: damnit |
| 03:34.43 | takatumi | it takes care of xmd5 issues as well. |
| 03:34.44 | freeone3000 | nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf worked for me... |
| 03:34.48 | lofdev | pipelined: ok. brb. Will try. |
| 03:35.55 | Gnea | black or green or..? |
| 03:36.05 | Guerin | black |
| 03:36.09 | secher | Gnea: flavored or black/pekoe? |
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| 03:36.20 | Gnea | green |
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| 03:36.28 | Guerin | actually |
| 03:36.42 | Guerin | abrotman: give it a few minutes |
| 03:36.51 | secher | I'm jonesing for a huge cup, like 3 bags of Earl Grey right now.. mmMMmm. |
| 03:36.57 | Gnea | abrotman: don't make me whip out the troll |
| 03:37.00 | Guerin | tieh kuan yin |
| 03:37.01 | abrotman | secher: sly fox ? |
| 03:37.03 | Guerin | mm |
| 03:37.07 | Guerin | chrysanthemum |
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| 03:37.22 | Gnea | i got some new flavors tonight |
| 03:37.26 | Gnea | these are much better |
| 03:37.30 | lofdev | pipeline: so just dexconf? I got no feedback from it? how's it work? |
| 03:37.33 | takatumi | earl grey without natural identical flavour? |
| 03:37.39 | bucky | cannibus? |
| 03:37.55 | abrotman | i like marshmallow lover's tea ! |
| 03:37.59 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's hot cocoa |
| 03:37.59 | secher | abrotman: damn, you have lousy timing. my daughter is zonked out and Andrea is at Banana Republic. |
| 03:38.00 | Guerin | bucky: cannibinols aren't soluble in water, so it's a waste of good ganja |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | secher: is at where ? |
| 03:38.15 | abrotman | secher: she works there ? |
| 03:38.20 | secher | Yup. |
| 03:38.21 | takatumi | lofdev: check if it generated a new /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 03:38.27 | abrotman | secher: at KoP or exton ? |
| 03:38.31 | lofdev | takatumi: i'll check |
| 03:38.40 | secher | Kop but thinking of transferring to Exton. |
| 03:38.41 | Gnea | when i opened the honey lemon ginseng green tea it smelled like ganja at first |
| 03:38.48 | bucky | see! |
| 03:38.54 | abrotman | ah .. i was down to exton today .. damn crazy malls around here |
| 03:39.08 | Gnea | i had to smell it a few times to convince myself otherwise ;) |
| 03:39.15 | Guerin | Gnea: i used to drink some funky chinese pu-ehr blend which all my cow-orkers thought was ganja |
| 03:39.30 | Gnea | the black vanilla by twinings isn't too bad |
| 03:39.31 | takatumi | you were just smelling it a few times, hoping to get high. |
| 03:39.35 | lofdev | takatumi: pipeline: it did generate, but still will not use 1280x1024 |
| 03:39.51 | Gnea | Guerin: the smell was that strong? |
| 03:39.51 | secher | abrotman: if you see somethign there, get the product # from it, she gets 50% off female stuff and 30% off male. |
| 03:40.05 | Guerin | Gnea: yeh. It's irie stuff. |
| 03:40.16 | secher | abrotmanL which is exactly why she works there. |
| 03:40.23 | abrotman | secher: i haven't bought anything there in a while .. it's in the "doctor's wives mall" which i don't go in much :) |
| 03:40.34 | Guerin | secher: that must almost bring the prices down out of the stratosphere |
| 03:40.36 | Gnea | one of my ex-coworkers was all about green tea - then i found out she was drinking the pre-bottled crap |
| 03:40.56 | lofdev | pipeline: beyond dexconf, any suggestions (resolution limitation on Ti4200 to 1024x768)?? |
| 03:40.57 | takatumi | lofdev: tried adding it manually? |
| 03:41.12 | Guerin | Gnea: heh. Bottled tea in china isn't always bad. It's usually oversweetened, but you get the oddd brand which isn't. |
| 03:41.13 | abrotman | Guerin: banana republic is slightly more expensive .. a collared shirt might be .. 40-60$ .. |
| 03:41.30 | lofdev | takatumi: yeah. I've played with a BUNCH of stuff. dpkg-reconfig, xorgconfig, vi... |
| 03:41.32 | abrotman | IIRC anyways .. haven't bought much there in a long time |
| 03:41.38 | Guerin | abrotman: eep |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | Guerin: you should try neiman marcus :) |
| 03:41.59 | Guerin | abrotman: i don't believe I should. |
| 03:42.12 | lofdev | Guerin: think geek has t-shirts? |
| 03:42.24 | secher | abrotman: Guerin: There are always massive unannounced sales at the end of seasons, 75-80% off, and if they don't have your size, they'll call other stores and have it shipped either directly to you or to the store. |
| 03:42.31 | deadcat | thinkgeek is a ripp off |
| 03:42.32 | Guerin | lofdev: i don't do tshirts with stuff on. Unless they have some other significance. |
| 03:42.39 | abrotman | Guerin: http://www.neimanmarcus.com:80/store/catalog/template/catC9.jhtml?itemId=cat6730732&parentId=cat000540&masterId=cat000527&cmCat= |
| 03:42.43 | abrotman | doh .. sorry |
| 03:42.45 | lofdev | back later... thanks. must eat |
| 03:42.52 | Guerin | like the "501 Bar Western Pub Seosan" Tshirt my wife stole off the barman's back |
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| 03:43.07 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:43.19 | Guerin | or the Roobok shirt I got in Mokpo |
| 03:43.22 | abrotman | Guerin: neiman marcus is .. damn expensive |
| 03:43.27 | Gnea | Guerin: i don't even remember what this was - it was sweet though, enough to the point that i wanted to go back for more |
| 03:43.29 | Guerin | bloody hell |
| 03:43.29 | john | to reconfigure xfree86, is it "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 03:43.43 | Guerin | I can get a taoilrmade suit for the price of one of those ties |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | yes you can |
| 03:44.00 | secher | I'm a chucks/loose linen slacks and tee shirt guy when left to my own devices, but Andrea makes me dress presentably. |
| 03:44.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:44.14 | abrotman | damn women! |
| 03:44.30 | Guerin | i'm cargo pants and random shirt, and my wife knows not to bothr me |
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| 03:44.54 | secher | Dude, she tried to make me pitch my chucks when there was only one hole in them.. I had to argue with her that they were just gettnig broken in. |
| 03:45.01 | Guerin | i do own two good suits, though |
| 03:45.11 | kspath | cargo pants? how many cargo bins can they carry? |
| 03:45.20 | Guerin | kspath: depends on the size |
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| 03:45.24 | kspath | lol |
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| 03:45.34 | Guerin | kspath: the ones I have currently have pockets on their pockets, it's insane |
| 03:45.44 | kspath | sounds cool |
| 03:45.44 | Guerin | and they're quilted, to defend against snow and ice |
| 03:45.54 | kspath | defend like that |
| 03:45.58 | ootput | wow, debian-overflow since 12 hours ago |
| 03:46.08 | secher | Guerin: I hit the consignment shops in upscale towns, find thousand dollar suits for 40 bucks, have them tailored for 100 bucks and I have one damn spiffy suit for a relative song. |
| 03:46.12 | kspath | sound the Klaxons |
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| 03:46.45 | Guerin | secher: nice. I just go to a tailor in seoul and get them made for ~200, including delivery, in a week |
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| 03:47.01 | abrotman | secher: there are upscale towns around here ? |
| 03:47.09 | secher | abrotman: LOL |
| 03:47.13 | kspath | hehe |
| 03:47.44 | abrotman | surely he means Reading |
| 03:47.58 | kspath | most often listening err parsing you all is far better than watching comedy channel |
| 03:48.10 | secher | abrotman: no, this is a strictly blue collar area, I mean, come on, I'm afraid to walk the streets of bryn mawr at nights for fear of being mugged. |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | kspath: you think we're funny ? |
| 03:48.24 | kspath | mostly |
| 03:48.29 | kspath | looking? |
| 03:48.32 | abrotman | secher: they'll steal your banana republic clothes :) |
| 03:49.01 | abrotman | kspath: you should see the umbrella hat |
| 03:49.20 | kspath | some of you all are in Chicagoland also? |
| 03:49.22 | secher | abrotman: beanies, with propellers. |
| 03:49.47 | secher | Guerin: what's USD price of a loaf of bread in Seoul? |
| 03:49.49 | abrotman | secher: they close at 11 tonight ? |
| 03:50.00 | secher | abrotman: Yup. |
| 03:50.12 | abrotman | how about a gallon of milk ? |
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| 03:50.53 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:50.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:51.06 | secher | abrotman: I think the US is the only country that consumes milk by the gallon, and maybe canada. You can't even find milk by the gallon in Europe. |
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| 03:51.13 | secher | ROTF |
| 03:51.30 | abrotman | secher: well .. we waste lots of stuff .. why not milk |
| 03:52.00 | abrotman | fishhead: the horror! |
| 03:52.10 | abrotman | fishhead: did you try the m68k mailing list ? |
| 03:52.14 | secher | fishhead: Oh, wow, didn't you know that's in the Debian FAQ? |
| 03:52.18 | fishhead | about the only thing I didn't try |
| 03:52.23 | fishhead | secher it is ?!?!?! |
| 03:52.30 | abrotman | no .. he's joking |
| 03:52.41 | abrotman | fishhead: but really .. ask the mailing lists for m68k |
| 03:52.46 | secher | fishhead: note the metric ton of sarcasm. |
| 03:52.58 | fishhead | notice how much I am laughing |
| 03:52.58 | abrotman | traitor! |
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| 03:53.05 | abrotman | you're american .. no metric crap! |
| 03:53.12 | Guerin | secher: $1 or $2 - but it's irrelevant to compare, since bread isn't a staple here |
| 03:53.16 | kspath | FAR FAR better than comedy channel and I am not even intoxicated |
| 03:53.27 | abrotman | Guerin: i read those as variables .. not as dollar amounts |
| 03:53.29 | secher | Guerin: Ok, a pound of rice. |
| 03:53.37 | kspath | but a door is a jar here |
| 03:53.43 | secher | Err.. kilo. |
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| 03:53.57 | abrotman | a pound of bacon ? |
| 03:54.11 | Guerin | secher: rice is expensive because of protectionist agricultural policy - buy in bulk, about $2 |
| 03:54.16 | Guerin | per kilo |
| 03:54.17 | kspath | 454grams=16 ounces |
| 03:54.19 | Guerin | not pre pound |
| 03:54.24 | nrdb | I am using KDE I would like to get the 'print to fax' option to work, can anyone help? |
| 03:54.33 | secher | abrotman: Feh. the metric system is hands down superior to customary, we're just stubborn and ludditish. |
| 03:54.33 | kspath | 454~=.5 lbs |
| 03:54.33 | samlii | Can anybody give me any insight into increasing an IDE hard drives performance? I have two wd 1600's that are giving around 3MB/sec in hdparm buffered read tests |
| 03:54.38 | abrotman | #debian-kde maybe ? |
| 03:54.46 | abrotman | secher: duh ? |
| 03:54.51 | Guerin | !hdparm |
| 03:54.52 | dpkg | hdparm is probably the HD tuning tool. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :) |
| 03:54.57 | secher | obviousman is in the house. |
| 03:54.58 | Guerin | samlii: ^^^ |
| 03:55.09 | samlii | Guerin Thanks |
| 03:55.28 | Guerin | samlii: fwiw, I did all the above and saw negligible benefit. |
| 03:55.28 | abrotman | gah .. still over 3 months til baseball starts! |
| 03:55.49 | Guerin | samlii: then again, there was no real performance problem with my drives to begin with. |
| 03:56.02 | kspath | softRAID? |
| 03:56.03 | Guerin | abrotman: cricket season is in full swing! |
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| 03:56.15 | abrotman | bad pun! |
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| 03:56.43 | secher | apt: there is no package moo! Fibber! |
| 03:56.44 | apt | secher: what are you talking about? |
| 03:57.05 | abrotman | secher: no .. `apt-get moo` |
| 03:57.21 | secher | SWEET~ |
| 03:57.21 | abrotman | secher: and if you have aptitude .. `aptitude -vvvvv moo` |
| 03:57.27 | samlii | kspath: to me? No I am trying to RAID on them but it takes like > 2500 minutes to synch 3 160s in raid 5, so I am looking at them individually right now |
| 03:58.18 | kspath | raid5 protects data but a single stripe will be best performance |
| 03:58.36 | secher | <grin> I guess that's supposed to be a barn? |
| 03:58.37 | kspath | but you will risk all data in a failure |
| 03:59.00 | nimak | printer sharing with debian = easy |
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| 03:59.13 | Guerin | secher: $ aptitude -vvvvvv moo |
| 03:59.14 | Guerin | What is it? It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course. |
| 03:59.14 | nimak | with windows = pain in the ass |
| 03:59.37 | samlii | kspath: I know, I am trying to do it so I can get data redundancy, but taking so long to synch doesn't seem right |
| 04:00.07 | kspath | there is always hardware RAID if you have the cash |
| 04:00.18 | kspath | if no budget RAMDISKs |
| 04:00.19 | nimak | Guerin: its funnier if you go through the differant levels of verbosity |
| 04:01.04 | Guerin | nimak: yeh |
| 04:01.15 | lotusleaf | I've installed Debian 30r4 on an old P133 system, were I to install X & a WM can I stick with stable and be fine security wise? |
| 04:01.46 | kspath | samlii: have you tried starting with blanks and adding your data after RAID is setup? |
| 04:01.49 | Guerin | lotusleaf: 3.0 is not stable. It's oldstable. But it is still supported securitywise until june next year. |
| 04:01.51 | lotusleaf | WM meaning not Gnome or KDE :) |
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| 04:02.21 | lotusleaf | Guerin, hi, thanks, so I just need to update to stable for the latest goodness and I'd be fine? |
| 04:02.28 | Guerin | lotusleaf: yeah. |
| 04:02.52 | lotusleaf | Guerin, did I fsck up by installing kernel 2.2 w/ ext2, should I reinstall with kernel 2.4 and ext3 and then update? or update from 2.2 |
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| 04:03.20 | Guerin | lotusleaf: just install a new kernel once you get sarge set up. |
| 04:03.26 | samlii | kspath: Thats what I am trying to do but synching the empty array is whats taking so long, maybe I've set something wrong in the raid then? |
| 04:03.29 | Guerin | lotusleaf: it's trivial to convert ext2->ext3 |
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| 04:03.50 | secher | haveanotherpuff, why thank you, I just happen to be rolling a cigarette right now. |
| 04:03.52 | lotusleaf | Guerin, thx, appreciate your help :) oh, really? great, I'll have to do that conversion too as well! :) thanks |
| 04:03.55 | justin_ | is there a place where i can look up the history of my apt-get installations? |
| 04:04.12 | Guerin | justin_: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 04:04.26 | justin_ | Guerin: thank you |
| 04:04.34 | Guerin | justin_: or /var/log/aptitude |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | justin_: assuming you're not on sarge |
| 04:04.48 | Guerin | justin_: right, that's only true for > sarge |
| 04:04.59 | lotusleaf | Guerin, so Sarge is the stable branch? |
| 04:05.03 | Guerin | lotusleaf: 1 |
| 04:05.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:05.12 | justin_ | im so new to this i dont even know if im running sarge or not |
| 04:05.26 | abrotman | justin_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 04:07.35 | lotusleaf | if it weren't for the graphical web browser, I wouldn't even want X installed. Oh well. :P |
| 04:07.53 | Guerin | lotusleaf: that's my only use for X as well |
| 04:07.58 | secher | what's the hot p2p system now? are bittorrent and ed2k still on top? |
| 04:08.07 | Guerin | secher: ed2k was never on top |
| 04:08.13 | justin_ | HAHAHAHA |
| 04:08.20 | lotusleaf | Guerin, :) |
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| 04:08.50 | secher | Well, jsut shows what kind of warez guy I am.. none at all.. so what *is* on top? |
| 04:09.09 | britt | where can i go for security issues? |
| 04:09.31 | hans0lo | lotusleaf: use links2 with fb |
| 04:09.39 | Guerin | britt: security.debian.org |
| 04:09.43 | britt | thx |
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| 04:09.57 | Guerin | hans0lo: nowhere *near* good enough ... and won't work in screen(1) |
| 04:09.58 | lotusleaf | hans0lo, links2 eh? hmm I'll have to research this thanks |
| 04:10.05 | Guerin | links2 -g |
| 04:10.08 | Guerin | but it's fugly |
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| 04:10.44 | Guerin | secher: bittorrent accounts for ~30% of all internet traffic |
| 04:10.45 | justin_ | the log of aptitude doesnt show the last package i installed and dpkg.log isnt even there |
| 04:11.00 | hans0lo | lotusleaf: there's a hacked version that enables https:// sites |
| 04:11.11 | secher | Guerin: *wow*. |
| 04:11.11 | Guerin | justin_: sagre's dpkg doesn't have logging, and aptitude doesn't log packages installed using apt-get |
| 04:11.14 | hans0lo | Guerin: it's no firefox, that's for sure |
| 04:11.41 | lotusleaf | I've grown to dislike guis and find cli only to be rather beautiful |
| 04:11.46 | lotusleaf | then again, I wish the whole world was ascii |
| 04:11.59 | Guerin | hans0lo: I tried to build firefox with framebuffer support and gtk+fb |
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| 04:12.14 | Guerin | hans0lo: but I was too stupid to actually get it to build |
| 04:12.32 | hans0lo | Guerin: that would be awesome. |
| 04:12.59 | Guerin | hans0lo: yeah. But despite the bindings being there, it's no surprise it won't build ... and I'm not the hacker to make it. |
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| 04:16.03 | secher | Egad, I can't wait for E17 to be somewhat complete. I've been running from CVS builds for a few months now, and it's sooooo slick. |
| 04:16.24 | Guerin | yeh, it's chromeytronic |
| 04:17.41 | john | i have a buddy with an Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller.. what driver would they need to startx with.. i thought it'd be the i810 but it's not ;/ |
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| 04:19.20 | secher | john: did you check debian's hardware compatability list? I dunno if that sort of info's there, but it's worth a shot. |
| 04:19.29 | Guerin | john: vesa |
| 04:19.45 | Guerin | john: if it doesn't work with vesa, it's not worth using |
| 04:19.48 | britt | doesnt seem like the 2.6.8 kernel is very secure |
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| 04:20.29 | Guerin | britt: there have been updates made recently |
| 04:20.48 | harryguy | is there a way to get an addres via dhcp again without restarting your computer? |
| 04:21.05 | nimak | dhclient |
| 04:21.34 | britt | Guerin: thx. how recent? |
| 04:21.42 | nimak | how do you rename a printer |
| 04:21.44 | EdLin | !thx |
| 04:21.44 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 04:21.44 | Guerin | britt: as recent as you see on s.d.o |
| 04:21.48 | secher | harryguy: man dhclient. There are ways to release and renew addys. |
| 04:21.48 | harryguy | i'm useing knoppix and it says that it dosn't have that |
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| 04:22.10 | harryguy | any ideas of what it is in knoppix |
| 04:22.10 | Guerin | nimak: you have to take it to the church of epson, and apply to the registrar of printer names |
| 04:22.16 | secher | harryguy: Ahah.. ask in #knoppix, prolly |
| 04:22.22 | harryguy | no1 is there |
| 04:22.22 | Guerin | hans0lo: try pump |
| 04:22.27 | Guerin | harryguy: pump |
| 04:22.29 | EdLin | harryguy: knoppix is not Debian |
| 04:22.31 | Guerin | !they're not there |
| 04:22.35 | nimak | Guerin: its an hp printer, will they get mad? |
| 04:22.42 | harryguy | that worked |
| 04:22.43 | harryguy | thanks |
| 04:22.47 | Guerin | nimak: oh. Church of HP then |
| 04:22.53 | Guerin | !htye aren't there |
| 04:22.58 | Guerin | !they aren't there |
| 04:22.58 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel aren't helping with your non-debian problem , it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 04:23.04 | Guerin | wow, I'm crap today |
| 04:23.23 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite Guerin |
| 04:23.24 | EdLin | Guerin: it's the same as !they don't know |
| 04:23.42 | Guerin | EdLin: yes. |
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| 04:24.30 | secher | Ok, I apt-getted bittorrent and bittorrent-gui. there are no executables and no man pages.. how in h3ll do I start bittorrent? |
| 04:25.18 | nimak | grab bittornado |
| 04:25.21 | abrotman | btt<tab><tab< |
| 04:25.25 | Guerin | secher: bt<tab><tab> |
| 04:25.46 | takatumi | secher: dpkg -L foo |grep bin |
| 04:25.47 | Guerin | secher: install rtorrent, though, it's mo'betta |
| 04:25.50 | EdLin | secher: also it should configure it to download .torrent files your browser quicks on |
| 04:25.52 | secher | smartasses. |
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| 04:26.15 | Guerin | secher: no, really |
| 04:26.22 | abrotman | !phillysmite secher |
| 04:26.23 | barnes | How much hard drive space will a Sarge install take up? |
| 04:26.24 | Guerin | secher: the names of the executables aren't documented |
| 04:26.33 | abrotman | barnes: depends what you install |
| 04:26.39 | Guerin | britt: 300MB to 5GB |
| 04:26.43 | Guerin | barnes: |
| 04:26.52 | abrotman | !tell edwards about away |
| 04:27.04 | barnes | I only have an 8 gig hard drive (For linux atleast.) |
| 04:27.06 | takatumi | Guerin: I've touched 13GB why limit to 5? |
| 04:27.11 | edwards | sorry about that. |
| 04:27.13 | abrotman | barnes: should be fine |
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| 04:27.17 | Guerin | takatumi: that wasn't a new install, was it? |
| 04:27.20 | lnxnt | hi |
| 04:27.22 | abrotman | edwards: short vacation :) |
| 04:27.32 | takatumi | Guerin: well, when it started it was new. :) |
| 04:27.34 | lnxnt | can you help me with compiler construction? |
| 04:27.40 | roral | negative time vacation, in fact |
| 04:27.52 | barnes | abortman: its an OLD hard drive, Its slow. I may go for a smaller debian based distro, like ubuntu. |
| 04:28.03 | takatumi | ironoy! |
| 04:28.04 | abrotman | barnes: 8GB is more than enough .. |
| 04:28.08 | takatumi | s/no/n |
| 04:28.18 | EdLin | barnes: Ubuntu isn't smaller |
| 04:28.22 | Guerin | barnes: huh ... ubuntu's default install is at least an order of magnitude bigger than debian's |
| 04:28.37 | abrotman | barnes: i've used 2.5GB for everything but /home |
| 04:28.47 | takatumi | barnes: get the bix card iso, ~40GB will get what it needs, what you need. |
| 04:28.48 | lotusleaf | small meaning Damn Small Linux ? or small meaning a floppy distro? :P |
| 04:28.51 | takatumi | gah |
| 04:28.52 | Guerin | none of my desktop boxen are more than 2G |
| 04:28.55 | barnes | abrotman: I'll give it a try. Thanks. I figured Debian would be larger then Ubutnu being that it is one install disk where Sarge is like 13? |
| 04:28.59 | takatumi | the business card iso |
| 04:29.01 | Guerin | my headless is ~400MB |
| 04:29.03 | abrotman | !d-i barnes |
| 04:29.03 | dpkg | barnes, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:29.03 | secher | brb |
| 04:29.12 | abrotman | takatumi: what if his NIC isn't supported ? |
| 04:29.18 | Guerin | barnes: it CAN be bigger, but by default it isn't |
| 04:29.26 | takatumi | 40GB? mama, 40MB I meant. |
| 04:29.27 | abrotman | barnes: use the 100MB ISO .. should be enough to get you going |
| 04:29.27 | lotusleaf | barnes, doesn't mean you have to install all of those packages on those CDs. I installed Debian from the 1st CD and it's tiny |
| 04:29.45 | EdLin | barnes: it has more CDs because those include all of its repositories, if Ubuntu had CDs for everything in "universe" it'd be that big or bigger too. |
| 04:29.50 | edwards | :) true, good holydays to all! |
| 04:30.01 | barnes | Alright, thanks anyone. I'm not really an ace with this, sorry. |
| 04:30.11 | EdLin | s/all of its/ all that's in/ |
| 04:30.14 | lotusleaf | barnes, you will be </forgotten movie quote> |
| 04:30.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:30.31 | Guerin | that's my favourite line from any of those movies |
| 04:30.40 | barnes | ;) |
| 04:30.44 | lotusleaf | very memorable |
| 04:30.54 | Guerin | it's all about the look on the puppet's face |
| 04:30.58 | Guerin | masterful stuff |
| 04:31.03 | lotusleaf | I got a talking yoda doll and I feed it tic tacs |
| 04:31.25 | EdLin | "yoda tic-tacs he likes" |
| 04:31.31 | lotusleaf | yesss! mmmm! |
| 04:31.41 | lotusleaf | yoda's just a schizophrenic grover |
| 04:32.03 | Guerin | i got my wife a cardboard cutout chewbacca for her 20th birthday... we used to stand it in the hall to scare off burglars |
| 04:32.15 | Guerin | life-size, yo |
| 04:32.33 | lotusleaf | I'd tape dog hair to it |
| 04:32.48 | Guerin | lotusleaf: ENODOG |
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| 04:34.08 | cr3 | how can I know which package to install to get the program "sgmlnorm"? |
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| 04:34.26 | abrotman | !search |
| 04:34.27 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 04:34.41 | lotusleaf | I'd love to have cutout heads of star wars creatures and have them run on a switchboard so I could pop them up in all the windows of the house, complete with their own .wav files for the neighbors when they pass by |
| 04:35.35 | bucky | yeah.. and a yoda with a santa hat |
| 04:35.40 | lotusleaf | give the neighboorhood dogs who love to saturate my lawn with their urine a surprise |
| 04:36.02 | Guerin | lotusleaf: caltrops |
| 04:36.05 | lotusleaf | I'd like to see a tux yoda |
| 04:36.28 | takatumi | heard there's one, chroot and get root. |
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| 04:37.20 | cr3 | abrotman: thanks, that did the trick |
| 04:37.26 | abrotman | it did ? |
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| 04:37.31 | abrotman | oh .. you're welcome :) |
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| 04:37.39 | scanwinder | anyone know a good program to play midi files? |
| 04:37.40 | cr3 | how can I force apt-get to use stable instead of unstable? |
| 04:37.46 | abrotman | !midi |
| 04:37.46 | dpkg | somebody said midi was MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 04:37.52 | abrotman | cr3: man apt-get |
| 04:37.56 | cr3 | scanwinder: which reminds how, how can I convert a midi file to mp3 or ogg? |
| 04:38.01 | takatumi | cr3: what did you install? |
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| 04:39.11 | scanwinder | cr3: thanks.....i dont know of any progs 2 convert them......theres a prog 2 convert other files 2 midi tho... abc2mid |
| 04:40.02 | cr3 | abrotman: I know how to specify /stable after the package name, but how can I make it default all the time? |
| 04:40.04 | abrotman | cr3: maybe lame ? |
| 04:40.11 | abrotman | !tell cr3 about pinning |
| 04:40.13 | kartoo | i installed php4 when mysqld wasn't there. so it got configured with --without-mysql option. How could I reconfigure it (without removing and installing again) ? |
| 04:40.29 | abrotman | kartoo: you compiled it ? |
| 04:40.38 | kartoo | no. abrotman |
| 04:40.54 | abrotman | php4-mysql is a useful package |
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| 04:40.58 | kartoo | phpinfo said that it got configured with --without-mysql flag |
| 04:41.09 | kartoo | i've installed php4-mysql |
| 04:41.23 | kartoo | but still it says so. |
| 04:41.33 | abrotman | kartoo: make sure "extension = mysql.so" is in all the /etc/php4/*/php.ini |
| 04:41.46 | b14ck | What's a good player that can play .bin movie files? |
| 04:41.50 | b14ck | gxine isn't working. |
| 04:41.54 | b14ck | And I only have a few minutes. |
| 04:41.55 | kartoo | abrotman: okay |
| 04:43.15 | k-man | is there a way to mount a windows share under linux that can tollerate the sharing machine going up and down? |
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| 04:43.26 | Guerin | b14ck: whate does file movie.bin; say? |
| 04:43.41 | b14ck | gxine doesn't recognize the file format. |
| 04:43.51 | Guerin | !jatfq b14ck |
| 04:43.51 | dpkg | b14ck: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 04:43.54 | abrotman | k-man: smbclient ? |
| 04:44.04 | b14ck | That is what it said.;. |
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| 04:44.13 | Guerin | b14ck: file movie.bin; |
| 04:44.24 | b14ck | b14ck@darkness:~$ file Wedding\ Crashers.bin |
| 04:44.24 | b14ck | Wedding Crashers.bin: data |
| 04:44.31 | Guerin | b14ck: it's not a video file. |
| 04:44.34 | abrotman | dirty pirate! |
| 04:44.34 | kartoo | abrotman: is it okay if that line has a semicolon before it? or does a semicolon mean a commented line in ini files? |
| 04:44.35 | k-man | abrotman, um... what i mean is, if my windows machine is shut down and then restarted, i currently have to unmount and remount the share on the linux box |
| 04:44.36 | cr3 | 0/exit1 |
| 04:44.42 | abrotman | kartoo: that's a comment |
| 04:44.51 | k-man | is there a way to fix it so i don't have to remount when the windows machine is rebooted? |
| 04:44.53 | abrotman | k-man: oh not sure |
| 04:45.18 | kartoo | abrotman: i'll remove it and try. then get back 2 u |
| 04:45.26 | Tortel | !u |
| 04:45.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 04:46.38 | Tortel | !2 |
| 04:46.39 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 04:48.04 | barnes | Humm, will the i368 downloads work on my AMD Anthlon 3000 |
| 04:48.10 | barnes | I forgot about that until right now. |
| 04:48.28 | barnes | I think I have done it before, I'm just not sure. |
| 04:48.45 | kartoo | abrotman: it works now. thanks |
| 04:49.12 | Guerin | barnes: yes |
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| 04:49.45 | Agedec | Can somone help me with a Wine Problem? |
| 04:49.55 | abrotman | kartoo: glad to know |
| 04:49.57 | Tortel | #winegq |
| 04:50.03 | abrotman | #winehq |
| 04:50.03 | Tortel | oops |
| 04:50.11 | Tortel | yea, im 2/3 alseep |
| 04:50.11 | valdyn | b14ck: try 'mplayer file.bin' |
| 04:50.21 | barnes | Guerin, Thanks. I feel like a moron in here. :( |
| 04:50.30 | b14ck | valdyn, if there was an mplayer package I would... |
| 04:50.38 | valdyn | !mplayer |
| 04:50.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 04:51.27 | valdyn | b14ck: or mv file.bin file.mpeg; xine file.mpeg |
| 04:51.40 | Guerin | barnes: you're far less moronic than the average ... just wait until Sunday in north america |
| 04:51.59 | Guerin | valdyn: already established it's 'data' |
| 04:52.07 | Guerin | ie, not any kind of mpeg |
| 04:52.19 | b14ck | valdyn, I don't even see a vlc package... |
| 04:52.37 | valdyn | Guerin: im not sure file will figure that one out correctly |
| 04:52.49 | Guerin | valdyn: worksforme |
| 04:52.55 | valdyn | i see |
| 04:52.58 | Guerin | valdyn: mpeg data is pretty easy to figure out |
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| 04:55.35 | bucky | Agedec, do you have the latest wine from winehq ? |
| 04:57.04 | Guerin | lnxnt: you're writing a compiler? |
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| 04:59.01 | lnxnt | Guerin yes |
| 04:59.20 | Guerin | lnxnt: then you need more help than we can give you here. Suggest you ask ##java |
| 04:59.31 | Guerin | actually, scratch that |
| 04:59.40 | Guerin | suggest you buy a java manual and read that |
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| 05:00.09 | lnxnt | Guerin I have specific question ....so that doesn't really help. But thanks |
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| 05:02.21 | Guerin | lnxnt: if you have a specific question, then state it. But not in #debian. |
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| 05:04.07 | lnxnt | Guerin ehm..so private ? |
| 05:04.30 | Guerin | lnxnt: no. See above. |
| 05:05.09 | lnxnt | Guerin ok. |
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| 05:14.53 | lofdev | I'm back for a bit more help getting a Ti4200 to play in 1280x1024 mode (xorg). Any takers??? Please? |
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| 05:20.31 | mhall | what's up everybody? does anybody need any Debian help from a drunk regular? |
| 05:20.53 | sussudio | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 05:21.13 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:24.43 | mhall | odla: or lube |
| 05:24.46 | mhall | odla: bad news eh |
| 05:24.59 | mhall | sussudio: that's harsh. wtf, mate? |
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| 05:25.54 | Guerin | !mate |
| 05:25.54 | dpkg | it has been said that mate is some one you like to talk to, similar to a friend, a pitman, a chum, a pal, a buddy, or rather a companion or fellow. aka m8 |
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| 05:27.04 | snadge | can anyone possibly tell me how to configure it so that "Webdings" font is never chosen when rendering pdf files? it seems to be a font configuration problem, more than choice of pdf application |
| 05:27.11 | mhall | Guerin: normally i wouldn't use it but it's canonical |
| 05:27.32 | mhall | Guerin: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/endofworld.html |
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| 05:28.23 | Guerin | !punish mhall for posting links with flash in them |
| 05:28.29 | Agedec | lol |
| 05:28.49 | mhall | Guerin: I've done worse than HP-UX: Solaris! |
| 05:29.03 | Agedec | :O |
| 05:29.06 | Agedec | ... |
| 05:29.13 | pipelined | mhall: LIES |
| 05:29.25 | mhall | Agedec: Thing everybody forgets is, I still have comebacks when drunk! w00t. |
| 05:29.29 | pipelined | mhall: Nothing could be worse than HP-UX |
| 05:29.33 | snadge | i take it font configuration is a deep dark and nasty place that nobody wants to go? |
| 05:29.42 | Agedec | hehe...he...h*Hic* |
| 05:29.42 | mhall | pipelined: Solaris with no tools installed? |
| 05:29.49 | takatumi | !fontify |
| 05:29.49 | mhall | pipelined: I had to bootstrap GCC. |
| 05:29.57 | takatumi | hmm, no bot-fu |
| 05:30.03 | pipelined | mhall: Cheapskate. Should have paid for the native tools :P |
| 05:30.09 | mhall | pipelined: From a binary release, and I didn't have GNU tar. |
| 05:30.16 | mhall | pipelined: It was a company; I couldn't! |
| 05:30.22 | pipelined | mhall: Ok, now that's just crap. |
| 05:30.29 | pipelined | mhall: Sun distributes patches in GNU tar formats. |
| 05:30.37 | pipelined | mhall: How old a Solaris WAS this? fucking 2.1? :P |
| 05:30.41 | mhall | pipelined: But it was not on the box! |
| 05:30.53 | mhall | pipelined: I don't want to know what version. |
| 05:30.59 | takatumi | pipelined: he's drunk dude, stop cross-questing the guy. |
| 05:31.07 | mhall | takatumi: lol i can handle it |
| 05:31.09 | Agedec | How is solaris? ne good? |
| 05:31.13 | takatumi | s/st/sten |
| 05:31.19 | pipelined | mhall: How not? gtar is fucking supported by Sun >:( |
| 05:31.21 | mhall | takatumi: i've done it to other people before so it's time to take what i dished. :-D |
| 05:31.30 | SerajewelKS | where is the proper directory for firmware images for the latest acx100 module? /lib/firmware no longer works. |
| 05:31.36 | mhall | pipelined: well when i tried to untar stuff i was getting format errors :-) |
| 05:31.40 | pipelined | Agedec: lol u cnt spl |
| 05:31.54 | pipelined | mhall: That's because you were probably using the SVR4 "tar" instead of the "gtar" command. |
| 05:32.10 | pipelined | mhall: Solaris has the full set of SVR4 utilities for bizarre compatibility reasons. |
| 05:32.12 | EdLin | !ne |
| 05:32.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, ne is the driver for ISA NE2000 compatible NICs, or neon, or short for "not equal", or l33t speak for "any" |
| 05:32.15 | mhall | pipelined: i found one box in the company with a working gcc and libgcc, so then i sun tarred it and sent it onto the box i was trying to bootstrap |
| 05:32.16 | pipelined | mhall: Always has, always will. |
| 05:32.16 | snadge | can anyone tell me how to stop X from choosing webdings font? |
| 05:32.34 | Guerin | snadge: delete it. |
| 05:32.48 | mhall | pipelined: and i bootstrapped gcc and then went through and compiled ld and binutils, then used gcc ld and binutils to recompile GCC |
| 05:32.58 | snadge | i should be still able to select it manually, deleting it is pretty drastic |
| 05:33.00 | mhall | pipelined: it was actually a good thing to have done; i learned a lot |
| 05:33.02 | pipelined | mhall: That's both insane and pointless |
| 05:33.11 | snadge | maybe if i install heaps of new fonts, it will pick a different one ;) |
| 05:33.23 | mhall | pipelined: well i had some problems with the sun linker and i had 18 processors and a half-terabyte of RAM |
| 05:33.28 | mhall | pipelined: so it wasn't that bad |
| 05:33.49 | mhall | pipelined: most of the GNU utilities supported make -j20 pretty well |
| 05:34.32 | mhall | it wasn't a bad job for somebody that only used debian and windows before |
| 05:34.33 | mhall | heh |
| 05:36.06 | mhall | i just wish i had a decent dual opteron or something |
| 05:36.20 | mhall | so that i could have started up from scratch and built a full opensolaris with a cross compiler |
| 05:36.26 | mhall | that would have been extremely hilarious |
| 05:36.28 | mhall | haha |
| 05:36.39 | mhall | almost as hilarious as some of my bad jokes, that is |
| 05:37.49 | mhall | damn channel is quiet all of the sudden |
| 05:37.50 | mhall | heh |
| 05:37.57 | kelan | when using a d-i disc as a rescue disc, is there a way to get it to load lvm2 modules so i can access my partitions? |
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| 05:38.44 | mhall | kelan: if the modules are available during installs you should me able to modprobe them manually from a shell if needed |
| 05:39.01 | mhall | kelan: you can get a shell from 'execute a shell' menu option or a different virtual console |
| 05:39.17 | mhall | kelan: if none of that shit works then there's also the possibility of knoppix *shudder* |
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| 05:39.27 | Almdudler | this apt-get is driving me crazy, does someone in here know how i can get packages downloaded with apt-get source ... to compile with certein parameters, like i would normaly do with ./configure --foo ? i read about changing the a file named rules, but since this file is a very lengthy shell script, i cant figure out where to change it. there has to be better way for this...? |
| 05:39.51 | mhall | Almdudler: yeah somewhere in there they call configure |
| 05:39.57 | kelan | but i think the modules used by the install are inside udebs. i can't find modprobe-able modules anywhere on the cd |
| 05:40.09 | mhall | Almdudler: so fgrep -i -A5 -B5 the file for configure and see what they are doing |
| 05:40.29 | mhall | Almdudler: basically you just find their build options and tweak them |
| 05:40.42 | Almdudler | mhall omg |
| 05:40.53 | Almdudler | mhall is this the only way? |
| 05:40.57 | mhall | Almdudler: i had to do it to build a fixed copy of gawk for some stuff i needed to do once since stock gawk does not accept the gawk language switch statement |
| 05:41.09 | mhall | Almdudler: it's the only way i can guarantee works from personal experience |
| 05:41.20 | mhall | Almdudler: because i was able to do it that way and solve a problem that i had |
| 05:41.40 | mhall | Almdudler: yes it's a hack but i can stand by it and testify to its credbility |
| 05:41.42 | Almdudler | mhall hm i dont doubt it works it just... annoying |
| 05:41.54 | mhall | Almdudler: yes it did suck like a cheap vegas hooker |
| 05:42.20 | Almdudler | mhall :/ |
| 05:42.30 | mhall | Almdudler: but compared to the other options (lubeless sodomy of different orders of magnitude) it seemed positively gratifying by comparison |
| 05:42.35 | caphuso | what package has a shell script as rules file? |
| 05:42.51 | Almdudler | caphuso apach2 |
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| 05:43.22 | mhall | Almdudler: technically he's right it's a make script |
| 05:43.28 | Almdudler | caphuso i need it to compile libapr with the pseudo random number gen since the /dev/random is too slow |
| 05:43.30 | mhall | Almdudler: but the principle is the same |
| 05:43.45 | mhall | Almdudler: oof be cautious corrupting your number generator |
| 05:43.54 | mhall | Almdudler: try performing lots of I/O operations instead |
| 05:44.11 | mhall | Almdudler: like dd if=/dev/zero of=/file.bin count=2 bs=10M |
| 05:44.29 | mhall | Almdudler: because bad things can occur when you use a flaky random number generation system |
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| 05:45.13 | mhall | Almdudler: like major loss of security; kerberos had a horrifying 10-year-long bug due to this very sort of issue |
| 05:45.28 | mhall | in any case i have to get back to the party |
| 05:45.33 | mhall | it's my birthday after all |
| 05:45.36 | b14ck | Hey, what command should I use to format a drive I have right now with bsd4.4 on it? I wanna make it ext3 and then mount it as /storage? |
| 05:45.41 | mhall | wouldn't want the party to be without its emcee for too long |
| 05:46.12 | Almdudler | mhall the actuall problem i try to solf is: i have a svnserve running which needs random number but since this is the only service i offer on my rootserver, /dev/random gives to few numbers which leafs the svnserve hanging sometimes for days if dont come by and do stuff on the box |
| 05:46.14 | kelan | here's a fun situation: apparently one the latest of device-mapper or lvm2 has a slight bug that makes your logical volumes inaccessible. but i can't downgrade them because /usr and /var are lvm volumes, and are thus inaccessible |
| 05:46.20 | mhall | b14ck: mkfs.ext3 /dev/device |
| 05:46.39 | mhall | Almdudler: hmm |
| 05:46.46 | mhall | Almdudler: just run cron jobs that do i/o |
| 05:46.56 | mhall | Almdudler: and that will create entropy for the random device |
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| 05:47.16 | mhall | Almdudler: man crontab |
| 05:47.23 | Almdudler | mhall i thought abput that but it seems kind of ugly |
| 05:47.38 | b14ck | Also, what should I add to my sudoers file so that all users in wheel can run sudo? |
| 05:47.48 | Almdudler | is using the pseudo rng really that bad? |
| 05:49.10 | takatumi | b14ck: man 5 sudoers (%wheel) |
| 05:49.23 | caphuso | why the hell does svn need so much data from /dev/random? |
| 05:50.11 | stew | or any for that matter |
| 05:50.45 | vyrus001 | how do i take a screenshot in fluxbox? |
| 05:50.50 | snadge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.05 | EdLin | !u |
| 05:51.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:51.07 | Almdudler | caphuso it needs really needs alot and i dont have other stuff on my ded server running |
| 05:51.28 | caphuso | Almdudler: i'm willing to bet that the correct solution is to fix the nonsense that makes it read so much stuff out of /dev/random |
| 05:51.45 | b14ck | How do I tell which drive is the one I wanna format into ext3? |
| 05:51.53 | b14ck | I don't wanna write over my current drive. |
| 05:52.06 | takatumi | vyrus001: try scrot |
| 05:52.36 | stew | b14ck: "fdisk -l" and "mount" should make it somewhat obvious |
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| 05:53.39 | b14ck | That would be great if I had fdisk. |
| 05:53.42 | b14ck | Which I don't. |
| 05:54.12 | asuffield | then you'll have to *remember* where you put it |
| 05:54.19 | Almdudler | caphuso there is no way around, although it only needs it for the login, subversion performs a login everytime you do stuff and with 10+ people working the numbers get sucked away pretty fast |
| 05:55.14 | stew | Almdudler: looks like the version of subversion in testing and sid address this problem from looking at http://changelogs.debian.net/subversion |
| 05:55.18 | Almdudler | caphuso i mont the only one with this problem, and people recommended recompiling libapr with the pseudo random number gen |
| 05:55.35 | stew | Almdudler: you might want to backport subversion from sid /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:55.48 | Guerin | b14ck: cat /proc/partitions |
| 05:55.54 | asuffield | caphuso: it likes to generate file IDs from /dev/random. all the time. and yes, it's a bug |
| 05:55.58 | b14ck | It's ok, I figured it out. |
| 05:55.59 | asuffield | svn is such a piece of shit |
| 05:55.59 | b14ck | Thanks :) |
| 05:56.00 | Almdudler | stew yes it does but im runnign debian stable |
| 05:56.14 | caphuso | asuffield: urgh |
| 05:56.39 | b14ck | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb && echo "/dev/hdb /storage ext3 defaults 0" >> /etc/fstab && mount -a worked |
| 05:56.42 | asuffield | it's just so obvious that nobody ever bothered to test it on any kind of large scale |
| 05:56.44 | stew | Almdudler: yeah, that's why i'm recommending you backport it, read that backport factoid |
| 05:56.45 | takatumi | caphuso: either way you won the bet. |
| 05:56.50 | Almdudler | asuffield well its not that bad |
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| 05:59.01 | Whisky_ | I just installed the Java runtime environment on my Debian 3.1 system but firefox still does not support Java applets nor does the original Mozilla browser. |
| 05:59.12 | Guerin | Whisky_: topic |
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| 06:00.08 | Whisky_ | oh ok! |
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| 06:00.53 | Almdudler | stew im kinda new to all this, so i would really appreciate it, if u have a little time explaining to me how i can get svn to work properly, since im on this bug(?) for days now |
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| 06:01.26 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 06:01.32 | solemnwarning | ive installed quake2 from apt |
| 06:01.38 | solemnwarning | is there a newer version? |
| 06:01.44 | Guerin | solemnwarning: no. |
| 06:02.17 | lotusleaf | who needs quake2 when there's dungeon crawl |
| 06:02.31 | Roots | who needs dungeon crawl when there's pong |
| 06:02.43 | lotusleaf | imagination has a better gfx engine than a gfx card |
| 06:02.47 | Guerin | cities.totl.net! |
| 06:02.49 | ke6isf | Bah! Who needs pong when there's a ball and jacks! |
| 06:03.06 | Roots | who needs computer games when there's sports? |
| 06:03.12 | stew | Almdudler: add a deb-src line to sources.list that points to unstable intead of stable, then "apt-get install build-essential" "apt-get build-dep subversion" "apt-get -b source subversion" which will download the tools for compiling / dependencies for compiling subversion / the source for subversion, and build a new package of the newer version of subversion against the libraries in stable |
| 06:03.15 | Roots | ...and war? |
| 06:03.18 | Whisky_ | Guerin, I manually updated a few of the libs etc. to testing/unstable and now when I try to install most of the stuff it tells me to try "apt-get -f install" but when I do that it says remove bla bla bla everything on my system and free up 1100mb of space? :| |
| 06:03.49 | Guerin | Whisky_: you lose. |
| 06:04.10 | Guerin | Whisky_: youn now either get to manually downgrae each and every one of those libs, or upgreade wholesalev to unstable. |
| 06:04.30 | stew | or reinstall completely |
| 06:04.35 | Guerin | who needs war when there's roots, natty roots; dread kinky dread? |
| 06:04.43 | deadcat | holly crap firefox 1.5, called firefox instead of mozilla-firefox now |
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| 06:04.55 | takatumi | deer park |
| 06:05.17 | Guerin | oh wait. Until the philosophy that holds one race inferior and another superior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned ... everywhere is war. |
| 06:05.21 | Guerin | that's right. |
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| 06:05.37 | Whisky_ | :S |
| 06:05.48 | ke6isf | Problem is, though, that in order to get rid of that, you have to get rid of human emotion. |
| 06:05.59 | Jerry | Hi, I just installed a new hdd, how can I see where it is? (i.e. hdb, hdc, etc?) |
| 06:06.02 | stew | chuckin to jah music |
| 06:06.13 | Guerin | Jerry: fdisk -l |
| 06:06.14 | takatumi | Guerin: the age of Aquarius needs to dawn. |
| 06:06.20 | Guerin | takatumi: fuckin' hippies. |
| 06:06.21 | Jerry | Thanks Guerin |
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| 06:06.59 | Almdudler | stew thank you but what you did you mean by "reinstall completely" |
| 06:07.11 | stew | Almdudler: that was for Whisky_ |
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| 06:07.15 | bucky | white skin is due to a genetic mutation http://tinyurl.com/c8vfb |
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| 06:07.56 | Guerin | fighting:peace::fucking:chastity |
| 06:08.04 | ke6isf | bucky: Well, everything in humans is due to genetic mutations. |
| 06:08.15 | Whisky_ | stew, Would I lose my current files/folders? Or will it just re-install the packages? |
| 06:08.21 | lotusleaf | Guerin, "Open source hippies they call some of us, failing to realise that the hippy culture served to stir more action and thought than much of the current generations of pale skinned, overweight, ipod clutching couch lizards who whine if they're not in an air conditioned environment and forced to walk further than a block for anything. " |
| 06:08.27 | Guerin | Whisky_: you'd lose everything you didn't back up. |
| 06:08.42 | Guerin | lotusleaf: heh. |
| 06:09.08 | lotusleaf | Guerin, I had to quote it! :) http://wwww.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=11489&comment_id=14736 |
| 06:09.19 | Guerin | eew, osnews.com |
| 06:09.28 | Whisky_ | Guerin, Isn't there an option to keep the current file system intact ? |
| 06:09.35 | lotusleaf | Guerin, yup, but it's a powerful post |
| 06:09.58 | Guerin | Whisky_: not really. if you have home on a separate partition, you can save that trivially. |
| 06:11.04 | stew | Whisky_: but /etc/ would have to be backed up no matter what |
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| 06:11.38 | Guerin | Whisky_: all you REALLY need to nuke is /lib and /usr |
| 06:12.11 | Whisky_ | this is horrible. How about I just down-grade the few of the packages using the Debian CD ? |
| 06:12.11 | Guerin | but it's basically just easier to do the whole shop |
| 06:12.32 | Guerin | Whisky_: manually traversing dependencies is Not Fun |
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| 06:13.27 | Whisky_ | ewww |
| 06:14.50 | stew | Whisky_: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 06:16.13 | omry | how do I initiate a run of the scripts in cron.daily ? |
| 06:18.51 | raden | how can i share a printer from a linux to linux box ? |
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| 06:21.07 | stew | omry: run-parts /etc/cron.daily |
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| 06:22.19 | britt | where can i go to learn more about securing ssh? |
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| 06:24.30 | jsmidt | does anybody know of a package which allows me to convert .pdf to .doc or .anything to .anything else? |
| 06:25.12 | stew | britt: /msg dpkg securing debian |
| 06:25.37 | omry | stew, thanks |
| 06:25.43 | britt | in irssi-text, how do i switch to another window |
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| 06:27.25 | EdLin | britt: control-n, control-p |
| 06:27.41 | stew | britt: ctrl-n / ctrl-p cycles, alt-# for a specific window, alt-a for the next tab with activity |
| 06:28.13 | takatumi | if alt doesn't work try escape # |
| 06:28.20 | britt | thx |
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| 06:35.51 | xerophyte | how hard to make debs |
| 06:36.00 | Guerin | xerophyte: depends |
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| 06:36.38 | xerophyte | Guerin, i am used to rpms .. and i make rpms for my servers centos and RHEL .. just thinking to switch to debian or Ubuntu but never made deb .. how hard to make it if you know rpms |
| 06:36.54 | Guerin | xerophyte: you don't need to make .debs |
| 06:37.06 | Guerin | xerophyte: the nice people at debian make them for you. |
| 06:37.37 | stew | xerophyte: have you looked at the maint-guide? /msg dpkg mg |
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| 06:39.33 | xerophyte | Guerin, looks like i use yum + rpms and i need to find out how apt+deb works .. how hard is that going to be .. just wondering of course will read the guide in while |
| 06:40.00 | Guerin | xerophyte: debian is several orders of magnitude easier to administer than redhat or clones |
| 06:40.28 | Guerin | as long as you don't rely on braindead gui configuration software |
| 06:41.10 | xerophyte | Guerin, hardly use the GUI .. |
| 06:41.19 | xerophyte | Guerin, but going to use Ubuntu Servers |
| 06:41.29 | Guerin | xerophyte: gods, why? |
| 06:41.43 | Guerin | xerophyte: ubuntu on desktop and laptop I can *almost* understand |
| 06:41.51 | Guerin | but it's really very poorly suited to servers |
| 06:42.09 | xerophyte | Guerin, why is linux too |
| 06:42.12 | xerophyte | whats wrong with it |
| 06:42.19 | xerophyte | just wondering should be different from debian |
| 06:43.00 | xerophyte | Guerin, i dont see big different between them |
| 06:43.16 | Guerin | xerophyte: small number of supported packages, gui and kitchen sink installed by default, short release cycle means updates are necessary, said updates aren't thoroughly regression-tested, and so can break |
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| 06:43.52 | Guerin | xerophyte: xerophyte basically, debian is what you want it to be |
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| 06:44.12 | Guerin | ubuntu is what the ubuntu developers want it to be |
| 06:44.21 | anuvis02 | help me with my webcam model CHICONY DC-3120 please |
| 06:44.46 | Guerin | anuvis02: google |
| 06:44.59 | anuvis02 | i search |
| 06:45.10 | Guerin | anuvis02: please do |
| 06:45.36 | xerophyte | Guerin, i thought Ubuntu bleeding age debian.. hmmm doesn't the package common to both just wondering |
| 06:45.56 | Guerin | xerophyte: nope. Totally different design philosophies. |
| 06:46.05 | EdLin | xerophyte: no, the Ubuntu repositories are not compatible with Debian. |
| 06:46.14 | Guerin | yeah, and not binary-compatible |
| 06:46.21 | anuvis02 | driver and configure the model is a CHICONY DC-3120 |
| 06:47.03 | xerophyte | Guerin, hmmm |
| 06:47.27 | EdLin | !based on Debian |
| 06:47.27 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 06:48.04 | xerophyte | Guerin, one of the reason we are thinking about debian based is .. we currently provide RHEL, CentOS solution.. now wanna provide desktop too .. seems Ubuntu is good for desktop we wanna keep the servers and gateway as Ubuntu too so jus twondering |
| 06:48.20 | EdLin | ...and the channel for Ubuntu is tard-infested beyond belief, good luck getting your server questions answered there |
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| 06:48.32 | Guerin | xerophyte: debian does desktop as well. You can use debian for any task. |
| 06:49.01 | xerophyte | Guerin, true but Ubuntu has lots of works done for it us .. |
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| 06:49.08 | MrCoffee | Is there a new version out yet? |
| 06:49.15 | jjazz | xerophyte, If you use Ubuntu for users, you're still better off using Debian for server stuff. There's no advantage to using Ubuntu for production servers, even if you're using Ubuntu for the client side of things. |
| 06:49.16 | xerophyte | Guerin, and desktops mostly need bleeding age |
| 06:49.18 | MrCoffee | (I guess I'm getting old) |
| 06:49.20 | streuner | xerophyte: what do you think, all debian users who running it for desktop are masochits? |
| 06:49.20 | Guerin | xerophyte: that might be true if your preferences == their preferences |
| 06:49.32 | EdLin | MrCoffee: Sarge has been out for a long time, over 6 months I think. |
| 06:49.34 | Guerin | xerophyte: desktops DO NOT need bleeding edge. |
| 06:49.48 | MrCoffee | I guess it's time to upgrade the old Alpha box then. |
| 06:49.59 | britt | or the amiga |
| 06:50.20 | MrCoffee | I have an old DEC AlphaServer 1000a |
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| 06:50.22 | jjazz | xerophyte, if your users aren't geeks, Ubuntu isn't a bad choice-- you can pretty much hand them a stock Ubuntu box and they'll figure it out eventually |
| 06:50.25 | streuner | xerophyte: debian runs just find for desktop-users too ... :-) |
| 06:50.27 | bucky | xerophyte, i like the mandrake desktop http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/mandrake.jpg |
| 06:50.47 | omi | Is there a gui application that will let me take badly compressed .avi and re-encode it into DivX |
| 06:51.08 | britt | omi: whats the avi compressed with |
| 06:51.17 | Guerin | omi: 1) no 2) re-encoding is a extremely bad idea 3) the avi you have is probably already divx |
| 06:51.17 | xerophyte | jjazz, true they are not geeks they are going to be converted from windows |
| 06:51.17 | britt | badly compressed doesnt explain much |
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| 06:51.48 | omi | Guerin, I basically want a gui for transcode |
| 06:51.53 | omi | the file is from camera |
| 06:51.58 | omi | so just frames |
| 06:52.07 | EdLin | xerophyte: Debian will run the same stuff that Ubuntu runs, just apt-get install gnome, or install "desktop environment" in tasksel during installation. |
| 06:52.10 | jjazz | xerophyte, gnome is pretty good for that. Kubuntu might be better, if you believe Win users adjust better to KDE than gnome. |
| 06:52.12 | omi | think of least compression algorithm :D |
| 06:52.23 | Guerin | omi: oh. |
| 06:52.34 | xerophyte | Thanks guy |
| 06:52.38 | Guerin | don't believe many guis exist in unix for such |
| 06:52.47 | EdLin | jjazz: kubuntu is reported to be buggy |
| 06:52.48 | omi | think intel video or radius which produce crap compression |
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| 06:52.54 | britt | Guerin: agree. |
| 06:52.56 | xerophyte | still nothing .. should i use FreeBSD for servers and Ubuntu for desktop hmmm |
| 06:53.00 | EdLin | of course in my experience so is Ubuntu |
| 06:53.03 | britt | I use console everything tho |
| 06:53.10 | jjazz | EdLin, I've never used it myself... was only commenting on the gnome vs. KDE aspect of it. |
| 06:53.16 | omi | ubuntu is much nicer for desktop much more polished |
| 06:53.16 | EdLin | xerophyte: Debian is easier to administer than FreeBSD |
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| 06:53.21 | xerophyte | i mean s/still nothing/still thinking/g |
| 06:53.21 | takatumi | xerophyte: use whatever you want, do you have a #debian question? |
| 06:53.35 | xerophyte | takatumi, sorry |
| 06:53.45 | omi | Guerin, do you remember how I would transcode something then? |
| 06:53.51 | Guerin | omi: nope. |
| 06:54.02 | xerophyte | thx guys |
| 06:54.08 | jjazz | peace |
| 06:55.13 | omi | hmm, maybe I should bitch at kde team, but doesn't it make sense if you want linux on desktop adoptation to have guis for just about everythin (even if it is not efficient) |
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| 06:55.41 | Guerin | omi: complain to someone who cares. |
| 06:55.51 | Guerin | omi: ie: not #debian |
| 06:56.01 | omi | fair enough |
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| 06:59.51 | Flimzy | I see there ix an xfree86-driver-synaptics package... Do I need a corresponding package for xorg? Or is the same package used for xorg? or... ? |
| 07:00.22 | tchino | exist a possibilty that you get more tabbed windows in one application by aterm like xterm? |
| 07:00.34 | anuvis02 | iCam 330 |
| 07:00.42 | Flimzy | tchino: screen is your friend |
| 07:00.55 | Flimzy | There are terms (like Konsole) that have tabbed viewing... but I prefer using screen |
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| 07:01.44 | tchino | Flimzy: and in aterm, you don't have that possibility? :| |
| 07:01.58 | Flimzy | I don't know about aterm |
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| 07:02.04 | Flimzy | I've never heard of aterm |
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| 07:02.40 | streuner_ | xerophyte: http://tinyurl.com/7v5qg |
| 07:03.42 | takatumi | Flimzy: apt-cache depends xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 07:04.01 | Flimzy | takatum: Uh... yes? |
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| 07:05.36 | varsendagger | hey does anyone know where i can get some help on qcad? |
| 07:05.50 | takatumi | is it like autocad? |
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| 07:06.59 | varsendagger | takatumi, yeah, i am use to proE but i can't even figure out how to make it do a dimension |
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| 07:09.58 | wobbler | versendagger: maybe you can get some help here http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html |
| 07:10.43 | varsendagger | wobbler, thanks but i cannot figure this out, i'd love to talk to soemone who has used qcad |
| 07:11.33 | wobbler | varsendagger: i havent used it myself |
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| 07:12.12 | varsendagger | wobbler, thanks anyway |
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| 07:23.07 | deadcat | firefox 1.5 looks pretty nice |
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| 07:23.18 | tchino | how can i set .Xdefaults at first, but i assume that it overwrite at second from system debain |
| 07:23.32 | deadcat | tchino: in .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 07:23.33 | tchino | system debian :) |
| 07:23.34 | ke6isf | deadcat: Is it on the repos yet, or is that an off-repo install? |
| 07:24.16 | tchino | deadcat: ok, i set in there the settings of aterm with the euro-symbol, but when i start aterm i can't write it |
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| 07:25.38 | tchino | deadcat: the euro-sybol comes only, when i set xrdb -load .Xdefaults and start aterm new, what i can do, that it comes automtically? |
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| 07:26.03 | deadcat | put xrdb -merge .Xdefaults in your .xsession |
| 07:26.33 | ArtVandalae | Is there any easy way to span a directory across 2 HDDs. So when one runs out, it goes to the second? |
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| 07:27.05 | deadcat | ArtVandalae: LVM might be what you want |
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| 07:28.12 | tchino | deadcat: .xessions doen't exist |
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| 07:31.09 | wobbler | tchino: its .xsession not .xessions and if you dont have one create it |
| 07:31.16 | deadcat | tchino: create it. |
| 07:31.49 | tchino | ok, i have done it before, it goes well, thanks :) |
| 07:32.09 | adil | hello! |
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| 07:43.25 | thompa | can someone give me a straight answer about mplayer? |
| 07:44.28 | tvn | it's not officially supported ? |
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| 07:45.20 | ke6isf | thompa: Yeah, if you ask a straight question. |
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| 08:01.49 | themolester | hrmm.... i just installed the latest testing from beta1 installer |
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| 08:01.55 | jmfrei | hey guys |
| 08:01.56 | themolester | and i cant seem to find killall |
| 08:02.16 | themolester | theres a killall5 ... but it doesn't respond to the usual syntax |
| 08:02.49 | jmfrei | I'm trying to get a script in /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend to startup at boot up. I have a symbolic link in /etc/rc5.d/S20mythtv-backend in place. However, it doesn't load at bootup. is there something else I need to configure in order to make this happen? |
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| 08:04.03 | ke6isf | themolester: Is psmisc installed? |
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| 08:04.56 | ke6isf | themolester: (disclaimer: I'm using Sarge, YMMV) |
| 08:05.34 | themolester | ke6isf yes it is... |
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| 08:06.57 | themolester | hrmm... nm, i re logged in and its working |
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| 08:07.39 | ke6isf | That's odd. I just did apt-get update and watched as ftp.us.debian.org did an update. And I'm on sarge. |
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| 08:11.53 | Lokey | gots a quick question : what's the minimal cd amount that would give me a decent gui for further install / tweaking of a fresh install? ive heard 3 before, but im just curious from the masters......... |
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| 08:15.25 | GregorR | Hi all. I'm trying to use debootstrap to make a development environment for my palmtop. I did "debootstrap --arch arm --foreign etch /opt/plinux" on the file host, then on the palmtop mounted that via nfs and chrooted, then ran "/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage". (Continued in a sec) |
| 08:15.43 | GregorR | It failed saying "W: Failure trying to run: chroot / dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.9_arm.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.10_arm.deb" |
| 08:15.49 | GregorR | When I try to run that manually, it says: |
| 08:15.55 | ArtVandalae | I'm adding a newly formatted hard drive to fstab config, and according to Redhat (I used their guide, just blindly copying) it's 1 and 2 for pass and dump. I did man fstab, but it just speaks of dump, and doesn't explain what it is?~ |
| 08:15.55 | GregorR | dpkg: unable to lock dpkg status database: No locks available |
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| 08:16.30 | aum | hi - how do i get a usb hp6350C scanner working under sane and linux 2.6?? it shows up fine in sane-find-scanner, but there's no clear instructions in SANE doc |
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| 08:17.26 | roler | if my domain corecoding.com uses mail.corecoding.com as it's MX,... and that ip that mail.corecoding.com resolves to has a reverse dns of just corecoding.com is that okay? |
| 08:17.36 | roler | or does the reverse dns have to be the same as the MX? |
| 08:18.11 | ke6isf | roler: Is mail.corecoding.com a separate machine than the rest of corecoding.com? |
| 08:18.26 | roler | ke6isf, ;no all the same |
| 08:18.32 | TTT_Travis | I am trying to create a folder in every home directory on my computer is that possible? |
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| 08:19.02 | ke6isf | roler: Then you don't need a reverse to mail. MX points to mail, mail should be a CNAME of corecoding.com. The reverse should point to where corecoding.com is. |
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| 08:19.49 | roler | ke6isf, ; got it. thanks! |
| 08:19.54 | ke6isf | roler: Gladly. |
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| 08:23.03 | rikai | hm, where exactly would i report errors in a debian package's version? |
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| 08:23.24 | basix | hi people, how do i get the list of samba users on a linux box? |
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| 08:23.40 | ke6isf | rikai: I think that might be something for bts. |
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| 08:24.28 | rikai | ke6isf, bts? sorry, i'm not very familiar with debian, i'm an ubuntu user, but i noted this particular misversioning carried over to debian. |
| 08:24.55 | jmfrei | anyone here would know? |
| 08:25.02 | rikai | ke6isf, perhaps it might be best if i contacted the package manager? |
| 08:25.04 | ke6isf | !tell rikai -about bts |
| 08:25.30 | ke6isf | rikai: That's also a possibility. Normally you'd be dismissed, but if it's a Debian problem as well, it's cool. =^^= |
| 08:25.48 | rikai | alrighty ^^ |
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| 08:26.08 | ke6isf | rikai: Curiousity, what's the problem in question? |
| 08:27.28 | rikai | the package info says i have version "1.0.1" of oRPC installed... but i was poking through header files.... and it says it's version 0.7.0, which'd definitly explain an error i was getting earlier... seems like it's using the version of libphone, not liborpt... |
| 08:28.07 | rikai | i checked up @ http://linphone.org/ortp/ and sure enough, version 0.7.1 is the newest. |
| 08:28.15 | ke6isf | rikai: What's the package name in question? |
| 08:28.42 | rikai | libortp0 |
| 08:28.50 | rikai | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libortp0 <- this one. |
| 08:29.07 | ke6isf | !info libortp0 |
| 08:29.11 | dpkg | libortp0: (Real-time Transport Protocol stack), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 08:29.55 | rikai | well, the package numbers differ slightly, because of the distro difference, btu you can still see it's obviously incorrect. |
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| 08:31.35 | ke6isf | rikai: It might not be a problem. I'm not sure exactly (more experienced folks would know for sure), but a package version may differ from an actual program version. Remember, there are sometimes other programs in a package. |
| 08:31.59 | wilier | help |
| 08:32.18 | ke6isf | wilier: gladly, but what's your question? |
| 08:32.42 | rikai | ke6isf, i suppose so, but, since that seems to be a standalone lib, shouldnt it be versioned according to the lib's version, not the version of another package? |
| 08:32.59 | wilier | with x chat |
| 08:33.00 | ke6isf | rikai: Not being a package maintainer, I can't answer that. =/ |
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| 08:33.16 | ke6isf | wilier: OK, that's a start. |
| 08:33.18 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 08:33.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:33.47 | wilier | i would like to enter in channel #mepis-it how to |
| 08:33.56 | rikai | ke6isf, well, from a user perspective at least, it doesn't make much sense and only serves to confuse a user trying to compile something. |
| 08:34.02 | ke6isf | wilier: '/join #mepis-it' |
| 08:34.05 | rikai | ke6isf, looks like i'll have to try and file a big. |
| 08:34.23 | ke6isf | rikai: At the very least, you'll get the answer as to what the issue is. |
| 08:34.25 | wilier | where find joinù |
| 08:34.34 | wilier | sorry |
| 08:34.34 | ke6isf | wilier: No, type it on the command line. |
| 08:34.41 | ke6isf | /join #mepis-it |
| 08:34.44 | ke6isf | Just like that. |
| 08:35.09 | wilier | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.13 | rikai | *bug |
| 08:35.20 | ke6isf | wilier: Without the preceding space. |
| 08:35.35 | wilier | ok i try |
| 08:36.03 | wilier | its ok tgs lot |
| 08:36.13 | ke6isf | No problem. |
| 08:37.01 | caphuso | rikai: it's not a standalone library, it's part of the linphone source |
| 08:37.47 | caphuso | $ apt-cache showsrc libortp0 |
| 08:37.48 | caphuso | Package: linphone |
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| 08:38.48 | GregorR | Aha - how do I make NFS capable of file locking (both client and server side)? |
| 08:38.51 | rikai | caphuso, still, shoudnt there be some sort of way to tell the actual version of it, as opposed to having it match the linphone version? |
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| 08:40.09 | aum | hi - does anyone know how to get usb scanning working with kernel 2.6.x? |
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| 08:40.54 | cyzie | hi all, can anybody give me an idea hwo to install scanner in debian? im just bought a new scanner. I'm totally new to install scanner in debian. thx |
| 08:41.09 | caphuso | rikai: like, uhm, pkg-config --modversion? |
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| 08:42.18 | SimonRaven | "i'm always frank and earnest with women. in chicago i'm frank and in ney york i'm earnest, heheh" |
| 08:42.34 | The_JinJ | Hi all |
| 08:42.48 | SimonRaven | s/ney/new/ |
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| 08:43.13 | rikai | caphuso, ...indeed. |
| 08:43.13 | The_JinJ | Does anyone know any userspace encryption that will run in a chroot environment? |
| 08:43.22 | rikai | caphuso, wasn't aware of that command. |
| 08:43.37 | caphuso | The_JinJ: gnupg? |
| 08:45.06 | The_JinJ | caphuso: need an easy way to encrypt a container or directories - was looking at fuse but needs to make a system call to mount the drive. is gnupg not geared towards single file encryption? |
| 08:45.37 | SimonRaven | from, 'long kiss goodnight' |
| 08:45.51 | caphuso | The_JinJ: yes, it is, but that wasn't part of your specification |
| 08:46.06 | The_JinJ | caphuso: ;) true |
| 08:47.11 | The_JinJ | I don't think there is a way to do it by making an unprivileged mount syscall |
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| 08:49.08 | cahoot | aum: adding user to the scanner group ahs worked for me |
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| 08:52.29 | aum | cahoot: but i still have no luck running xsane, xscanimage, scanimage -L etc as root |
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| 08:53.14 | aum | i'm having to do the unthinkable and install a driver for the scanner into a vmware winbox |
| 08:53.27 | kpanic | hi, I made my custom kernel with make-kpkg. now it stalls after run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/mkvmlinuz |
| 08:53.30 | kpanic | GET mkvmlinuz/bootloaders |
| 08:53.41 | aum | somewhere in the 2.6 kernel series, things got seriously fux0r3d wrt usb scanners |
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| 08:56.13 | cahoot | aum: so it doesn't show up in dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 08:57.08 | ice_1963 | aum i have never installed a scanner in debian printers yes |
| 08:57.15 | aum | it shows up in dmesg, and in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 08:57.23 | aum | but sane won't find it |
| 08:57.40 | aum | the sane hp.conf has the correct usb device ids |
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| 09:01.09 | eflynn | hi all... for C data structures, would glib be the preferred library to use? |
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| 09:05.15 | SerajewelKS | what packages do i need to set up user quotas on an ext3 fs? |
| 09:05.32 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: mozilla-firefox |
| 09:05.59 | luke | Within Fdisk, how do d I create a partition other than Linux, typing n only ever creates a Linux partition? How do I use the id's that l prints out? |
| 09:06.12 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: har har |
| 09:06.26 | SerajewelKS | luke: t |
| 09:06.29 | MrCoffee | I am wondering... |
| 09:06.38 | luke | SerajewelKS, lol |
| 09:06.43 | MrCoffee | How much memory does it take to run Sarge with WindowMaker? |
| 09:06.47 | luke | SerajewelKS, did not see that how embarressing |
| 09:06.48 | luke | thanks |
| 09:06.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, really. With it you can read the goddamn tldp.org quota howto. |
| 09:06.52 | SerajewelKS | luke: np |
| 09:07.04 | MrCoffee | I'm thinking about installing it on my AlphaServer, and I have 200 megs of RAM. |
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| 09:07.20 | Guerin | MrCoffee: 200 will be plenty |
| 09:07.22 | MrCoffee | I like the K Desktop, but is it compact enough to fit on 3 gigs of disk space? |
| 09:07.25 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i figured "this an that package" would be sufficient. i *can* read manpages. |
| 09:07.42 | MrCoffee | Would the K Desktop be too much for 200 megs? |
| 09:07.44 | SimonRaven | should be fine |
| 09:07.45 | valdyn | MrCoffee: 200mb is plenty for this, what takes alot more space is your application(s) |
| 09:07.51 | SimonRaven | wmaker i mean |
| 09:08.00 | Guerin | MrCoffee: yeah, kde runs in 200MB |
| 09:08.04 | SerajewelKS | MrCoffee: 200mb of RAM and KDE is kinda pushing it |
| 09:08.06 | valdyn | MrCoffee: like uh, kde < _only_ firefox |
| 09:08.07 | Guerin | MrCoffee: but you're better off without it |
| 09:08.14 | SerajewelKS | MrCoffee: if you need to run stuff like openoffice, get more RAM |
| 09:08.14 | MrCoffee | Well, I would want Kate, possible Kinkata, and maybe FireFox. |
| 09:08.26 | MrCoffee | I don't plan to run OpenOffice. |
| 09:08.30 | luke | SerajewelKS, after its been written, how do I format it so it can be wrote too, its vfat btw? |
| 09:08.36 | Guerin | MrCoffee: kate? Why? |
| 09:08.37 | MrCoffee | I would like to run it as a web server... |
| 09:08.42 | eflynn | what's kinkata? |
| 09:08.46 | MrCoffee | I'm used to it, Guerin |
| 09:08.54 | MrCoffee | I'm not one of those eMacs gurus. |
| 09:08.56 | SimonRaven | ok, so why bother installing x on it then? |
| 09:08.59 | valdyn | MrCoffee: if you want to run a single kde app, its already most officient memory - wise to use _only_ kde |
| 09:09.00 | SerajewelKS | luke: mkfs.vfat |
| 09:09.09 | Guerin | !depends kate |
| 09:09.12 | SerajewelKS | luke: for FAT32: mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/blah |
| 09:09.12 | dpkg | kate: depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.4.3-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfam0, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libice6, libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1 (>> 1:0.9.0-1), libxt6, zlib1g (>= ... |
| 09:09.14 | MrCoffee | I see, valdyn |
| 09:09.24 | luke | thanks again SerajewelKS :) Your a star! |
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| 09:09.32 | Guerin | that sure is a lot of dependencies for an editor which isn't much more complicated than notepad |
| 09:09.51 | MrCoffee | I think there's another editor. |
| 09:09.55 | MrCoffee | But I forgot which one. |
| 09:10.01 | MrCoffee | KDE has a couple good editors. |
| 09:10.08 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: are stock debian kernels quota-enabled, or do i need to roll my own? |
| 09:10.11 | MrCoffee | It has an excellent set of FTP packages too. |
| 09:10.12 | Guerin | yeah, you can run emacs in kde |
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| 09:10.24 | SerajewelKS | luke: np |
| 09:10.26 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I don't know. You can probably find out by grepping the confgi. |
| 09:10.27 | valdyn | MrCoffee: this list of deps is not really meaningful directly.. |
| 09:10.30 | MrCoffee | Man, that emacs is confusing. |
| 09:10.44 | valdyn | MrCoffee: because every other kde app will pull the same stuff and share it |
| 09:10.47 | MrCoffee | Working with buffers and that stuff. I'm used to files, and storing them on disk. |
| 09:10.56 | Guerin | MrCoffee: buffer == file |
| 09:11.05 | MrCoffee | I see... |
| 09:11.14 | Guerin | MrCoffee: you can sane any buffer to disk, if you choose |
| 09:11.16 | MrCoffee | Learn something new everyday. |
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| 09:11.29 | MrCoffee | Buffer = File |
| 09:11.32 | MrCoffee | I'll remember that. |
| 09:11.34 | Guerin | MrCoffee: and all non-scratch buffers are automatically saved to disk periodically for backup purposes |
| 09:11.50 | ma3x | is it possible to display timestamp in dmesg? |
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| 09:11.58 | Guerin | !possible |
| 09:11.58 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 09:12.02 | MrCoffee | Non-scratch means buffers that haven't been edited, correct? |
| 09:12.17 | ma3x | Guerin, well how |
| 09:12.24 | valdyn | ma3x: you could just read /var/log/syslog |
| 09:12.31 | Guerin | MrCoffee: non-scratch means any buffer YOU make - as opposed to buffers that emacs brings up to tell you something, etc. |
| 09:12.36 | MrCoffee | Man, I can't believe I've had my nick for 3 years... |
| 09:12.48 | ma3x | valdyn, ok thanks |
| 09:12.51 | MrCoffee | Thanks for that info, Guerin |
| 09:13.04 | valdyn | ma3x: it does have a little more, but it does have also whatever shows in dmesg |
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| 09:13.26 | bassMonkey | how can I find out what gcc version my kernel was compiled with? |
| 09:13.42 | cahoot | bassMonkey: dmesg |
| 09:13.48 | valdyn | bassMonkey: cat /proc/version |
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| 09:14.30 | bassMonkey | thanks |
| 09:14.39 | MrCoffee | Well, I think it's about time for me to shut down for the night. |
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| 09:16.25 | MrCoffee | See you all later |
| 09:16.34 | MrCoffee | Thanks for the info Guerin |
| 09:16.37 | MrCoffee | And valdyn |
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| 09:16.44 | Guerin | MrCoffee: yer welcome |
| 09:17.01 | [G]eck0 | hello |
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| 09:17.33 | Guerin | !nickometer [G]eck0 |
| 09:17.35 | dpkg | '[G]eck0' is 97.450% lame, guerin |
| 09:17.52 | [G]eck0 | eh? |
| 09:17.54 | [G]eck0 | :D |
| 09:19.11 | [G]eck0 | Guerin I have a problem with eth |
| 09:19.25 | [G]eck0 | Can you help me? |
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| 09:20.10 | Eulex | gecko`, just ask, if someone knows the answer they'll answer you |
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| 09:20.24 | gecko` | ok Eulex |
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| 09:20.42 | gecko` | one second |
| 09:22.25 | gecko` | I have on my pc eth0 = 192.168.1.1 and eth1 10.0.0.1 |
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| 09:22.49 | gecko` | with debian sarge os |
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| 09:23.20 | gecko` | I recompile the kernel |
| 09:23.27 | gecko` | in static mode |
| 09:23.31 | gecko` | all static |
| 09:23.52 | Eulex | !wayc gecko` |
| 09:23.52 | dpkg | gecko`: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:23.52 | gecko` | and I have this problem |
| 09:24.10 | gecko` | yes |
| 09:24.31 | Guerin | gecko`: 'yes' is not an appropriate answer to a 'why' question |
| 09:25.02 | gecko` | mmm |
| 09:25.18 | Eulex | gecko`, well, if recompiling a kernel causes some problem afterwards, you haven't configured your kernel correctly. |
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| 09:26.14 | gecko` | one second I don't speack english very well |
| 09:26.36 | Eulex | gecko`, you could consider joining the channel of your native language |
| 09:27.30 | Eulex | !it |
| 09:27.30 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 09:27.43 | gecko` | ohhh very tnx |
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| 09:28.15 | gecko` | excuse me for my annoyance |
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| 09:28.51 | gecko` | bye Eulex Guerin and dpkg |
| 09:28.55 | bassMonkey | I have one more kernel related question: I have installed debian-testing on a vmware VM and need to install vmware tools (kernel module). The problem is that my kernel was complied with an earlier version of gcc than that I have. Is a kernel recompile a good way to handle that? |
| 09:29.13 | Eulex | gecko`, dpkg is a bot |
| 09:29.24 | gecko` | ahaha k |
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| 09:29.40 | bassMonkey | I'm using tha same config as the debian default |
| 09:30.00 | bassMonkey | *the |
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| 09:33.53 | luke | How can I mount my vfat partition and allow non root users to be able to write to it? |
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| 09:34.19 | Nirga1 | sid' kmail doesn't like pop3s any more, keeps stuck on "Preparing transmission to host" (on two separate hosts). Pop3 works fine. Any clue someone? |
| 09:34.36 | Guerin | Nirga1: bts |
| 09:34.41 | Nirga1 | lulke: check the user option of mount (/etc/fstab) |
| 09:34.52 | Nirga1 | (luke) |
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| 09:34.58 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 09:34.58 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 09:34.59 | luke | Nirga1, the user option needs to be present then? |
| 09:35.03 | Guerin | luke: ^ |
| 09:35.22 | luke | thanks Guerin and Nirga1 |
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| 09:36.34 | Nirga1 | luke: Do check "user" keyword for options too |
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| 09:37.06 | luke | Nirga1, sorry? |
| 09:37.15 | zapata | could someone help me install ati drivers? ive tried 3 times allready and failed |
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| 09:37.30 | Nirga1 | luke: in "man mount" |
| 09:37.36 | luke | ok ta |
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| 09:39.48 | zapata | no one? |
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| 09:40.27 | Guerin | !ati |
| 09:40.28 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
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| 09:41.32 | b0red | hi. anyone familiar with IPC? |
| 09:41.40 | Guerin | !anyone use IPC? |
| 09:41.41 | dpkg | No, no one uses IPC, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:41.51 | b0red | no really. |
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| 09:42.00 | Guerin | b0red: ask your real question. |
| 09:42.14 | Guerin | b0red: you don't actually just want a show of hands, do you? |
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| 09:42.24 | omi | Is there pctel sources for 2.6 series kernels? |
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| 09:42.34 | b0red | Guerin, it's a small exercice on mutual exclusion, wanna take a look? |
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| 09:42.53 | Dwonis | does anyone here use operating systems? |
| 09:42.55 | luke | Can I safely remove 'exim' from my system, as I do not need a MTA? |
| 09:42.56 | omi | the latest release seems to only like 2.4 kernels |
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| 09:43.07 | SimonRaven | luke: yes you do need an mta |
| 09:43.18 | luke | do I? |
| 09:43.19 | SimonRaven | you can choose of several |
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| 09:43.36 | luke | I have a server on my network which has qmail though? |
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| 09:43.43 | Guerin | luke: install ssmtp or nullmailer if you want a null mta |
| 09:43.56 | b0red | Guerin? |
| 09:43.58 | luke | Will they remove exim? |
| 09:44.01 | Guerin | luke: your machine still needs a local mta if you want email from cron, for instance. |
| 09:44.10 | luke | ah |
| 09:44.14 | Guerin | b0red: you still haven't actually asked a question. |
| 09:44.24 | b0red | Guerin, http://rafb.net/paste/results/TK7doG26.html |
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| 09:44.30 | luke | Will try that nullmailer then, I presume that this will remove exim too then. |
| 09:44.36 | b0red | (i posted my solution to the exercice too) can u check it out? |
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| 09:45.16 | Guerin | b0red: explain in 100 words or fewer what in the ninety-nine incarnations this has to do with debian gnu/linux |
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| 09:45.56 | vasundhar | Guerin: What bored and U are talking of ? |
| 09:46.12 | Guerin | vasundhar: see link above |
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| 09:48.07 | Octavian | gug |
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| 09:48.58 | Dwonis | Guerin: Well, if you remove a LOT of letters in the first 18 words of that question, it spells "debian"... |
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| 09:49.27 | Octavian | can anyone tell me why there is just partimage-doc, no partimage deb? |
| 09:49.31 | b0red | Guerin, some IPC coders might idle in this channel |
| 09:49.33 | Octavian | in table |
| 09:49.35 | Octavian | in stable |
| 09:49.48 | bibe | hi all. Where does apt log upgraded packages (and, in general, its activity)? This morning I did an apt-upgrade and some packages were upgraded, how can I track back apt changes? By the way, is 3.1r1 on its way to the Debian mirrors? |
| 09:50.24 | Eulex | bibe, check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 09:50.34 | cahoot | bibe: got a /var/log/dpkg.log here |
| 09:50.47 | Eulex | bibe, I haven't heard about any 3.1r1. |
| 09:50.57 | Guerin | sarge doesn't have a dpkg.log |
| 09:51.09 | Eulex | ah |
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| 09:51.32 | bibe | Eulex , cahoot : thanks |
| 09:51.47 | Octavian | bibe: /var/log/aptitude, if you with aptitude |
| 09:51.54 | bibe | ehm... no dpkg.log here |
| 09:51.56 | Dwonis | Octavian: Hmm, that's odd... Maybe it's because the archive maintainers have a weird sense of humour? |
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| 09:52.13 | Eulex | bibe, as Guerin said. |
| 09:52.18 | Octavian | Dwonis: i guess there is a licensing issue |
| 09:52.23 | Dwonis | Octavian: The *documentation* probably won't crash, so it's suitable for stable. |
| 09:52.30 | Octavian | :) |
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| 09:52.46 | Octavian | Dwonis: if you go on ftp.debian.org the _sources_ are there though |
| 09:52.58 | Dwonis | Octavian: do you have an URL? If it's a licensing issue, why is it still in testing/unstable? |
| 09:53.18 | Octavian | Dwonis: that was just a guess, i dont know really |
| 09:53.47 | goron | I have a kind of a problem here. The machine does not receive an IP-address somehow via DHCP from my router, but this only happens on Debian, not on Windows. ifup eth1 doesn't help either. |
| 09:53.48 | bibe | Eulex : 3.1r1 is in "preparation" by joey since August, but I'm asking because I got these upgrades without any DSA |
| 09:53.57 | Octavian | Dwonis: maybe noone missed it before, well i _do_ |
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| 09:54.33 | Eulex | bibe, ah. never heard. might just be me, though. |
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| 09:55.19 | bibe | Eulex : in fact, apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86 shows version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 also into stable repositories. Before, those repositories included 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 |
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| 09:55.56 | luke | My middle mouse button which is a scroll button works when pressed, but not when scrolled. I have tried different devices in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, however it still does not scroll, its a ps/2 btw. Anyone experianced the same problem? |
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| 09:56.06 | Eulex | bibe, that's the security update issued a month ago or so |
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| 09:56.36 | vasundhar | I have IBMR51 my tap is notworking on the pad |
| 09:57.07 | Dwonis | Octavian: You may be right. Bug #292240 talks about legal problems with the manpages (which have been resolved). Perhaps the packages missed the sarge release... |
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| 09:57.45 | Octavian | Dwonis: i never encountered stability problems with it... |
| 09:57.49 | Dwonis | Octavian: If, as you say, the sources are still there, just run "apt-get -b source partimage". |
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| 09:58.18 | Octavian | Dwonis: yes, i know. just wondering why it isnt there by default |
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| 09:58.34 | Dwonis | Octavian: Right, but if the package couldn't be included because of the manpage licensing, they're not going to suddenly introduce a newer (possibly buggy) version of the package after the release is frozen. |
| 09:58.56 | Dwonis | Octavian; That would be my guess.. |
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| 10:00.01 | Dwonis | Octavian: If you're really curious, you could always email the maintainer and ask. |
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| 10:04.42 | matlads | Hi, how do I create a list of all files that are (or were) not installed by packages on my system? |
| 10:05.22 | nerdy2 | dpkg -L |
| 10:05.31 | nerdy2 | oh not installed |
| 10:06.12 | goron | What is a dhcp client that Just Works(TM)? I have a working DHCP server(proof I am using it), I have a working NIC(proof I am using it), but it doesn't work on Debian, since I don't get a DHCP offer... :-( |
| 10:06.45 | nerdy2 | dpkg -S <filename> will tell you which package is associated with a given file, although this need not always work (certain files or whatever get generated in the install process) |
| 10:06.45 | dpkg | There is no record of a <filename> will tell you which package is associated with a given file, although this need not always work (certain files or whatever get generated in the install process) package |
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| 10:07.58 | matlads | nerdy2: yeah not installed. |
| 10:08.11 | nerdy2 | there's also a program/package called cruft, whose whole point is to get at files that are left behind/probably shouldn't be there |
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| 10:08.47 | matlads | nerdy2: cruft looks interesting. I'll look into it right now |
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| 10:10.15 | luke | I am not sure if any of you guys have used Vmware, but do you change the virtual IP in Linux to something like 192.168.1.10, cant find any script or app that does this? |
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| 10:15.29 | torre97 | soy novato y me sucede que tengo un disco duro externo por usb que monto perfectamente en /dev/sda5 /mnt/disco , peo cuando entro no puedo acceder a los archivos.¿que puedo hacer? |
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| 10:19.59 | DeadSoul | is there any faq/manual for debian to get/configure X and any window managers from skratch from a base debian system ? |
| 10:20.09 | senkzer0 | hi |
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| 10:20.50 | EdLin | DeadSoul: apt-get install x-window-system-core and your choice of window manager and xterminal |
| 10:20.59 | senkzer0 | i've 2 problems, the firs is my english XD, the second is a loop in the start of my kernel XD |
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| 10:21.16 | Yp3rite | Hi here, i know that's #debian but i search information about xml-schema where i can see please ? expect on #xml |
| 10:21.17 | senkzer0 | rivafb_pan_display START/END |
| 10:22.31 | senkzer0 | this appeared after compiling rt2500 module |
| 10:22.35 | senkzer0 | and rebooting |
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| 10:23.16 | DeadSoul | EdLin. hmm great but any text that would help me out after to get something like fluxbox or any window managers after i apt-get them? |
| 10:23.31 | netman1 | Hi All. How do I set the questions asked priority for the manual install of a single package to low? Apt-get does not have a --priority parameter ;-( |
| 10:23.59 | wily | hi all |
| 10:24.05 | DeadSoul | i want to make a desktop based system basicly any texts for that? |
| 10:24.07 | EdLin | DeadSoul: apt-get install menu at the same time, and the update-menus command (as user) will take care of your root menu needs for you. |
| 10:24.12 | wily | i've several problem with gnome audio |
| 10:24.20 | wily | can anyone help me? |
| 10:24.35 | EdLin | DeadSoul: "apt-get install x-window-system-core fluxbox xterm" |
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| 10:24.43 | EdLin | oops, forgot adding "menu" to the line |
| 10:24.52 | DeadSoul | x-window-system-core will install x-window-system too yes? |
| 10:24.56 | EdLin | there goes my kingsley points |
| 10:25.09 | EdLin | DeadSoul: no, but most of x-window-system is cruft. |
| 10:25.22 | DeadSoul | what does that mean |
| 10:25.32 | EdLin | DeadSoul: it's unnecessary |
| 10:25.34 | wily | please help me |
| 10:25.35 | DeadSoul | ok |
| 10:25.53 | EdLin | DeadSoul: unless you like twm and all sorts of utilities you don't need. |
| 10:26.27 | takatumi | wily: try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 10:26.46 | DeadSoul | is there any option in apt-get to see what it would download/install before actualy doing it? like pretend |
| 10:27.07 | EdLin | DeadSoul: if it's installing multiple packages it will list them with a y/n prompt. |
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| 10:27.25 | DeadSoul | ok |
| 10:27.30 | theD3viL | how can i install on second box, winxp and debian together...1 install win xp, and leave 1 partition unused. Then in debian installer select manual partitioning or what? Is there option "use unused partition" ? |
| 10:28.40 | DeadSoul | theD3viL. yeah i just did that. you get a gui to edit/delete/make partitions |
| 10:28.44 | DeadSoul | very easy |
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| 10:28.58 | DeadSoul | used the net install cd |
| 10:29.23 | theD3viL | DeadSoul, i have installed only debian on this box so i dont know how to install ... |
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| 10:29.43 | theD3viL | DeadSoul, so i must to make partitions ... there is no automatic |
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| 10:29.44 | theD3viL | ? |
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| 10:30.38 | Catch`CoNdA | I have installed DCplusplus with wine, it works to the point when someone tries to download from me.. then it crashes. The transfer tab only shows a uploadsymbol(no name,file,speed etc) and locks up. Anyone familiar with this? |
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| 10:31.06 | theD3viL | Catch`CoNdA, apt-get install valknut |
| 10:31.09 | luke | wheres Debians default IP Tables firewall, as I would like to add some rules? |
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| 10:31.19 | theD3viL | Catch`CoNdA, you dont have to emulate |
| 10:31.20 | DeadSoul | theD3viL. you have to make your / and swap partitions either before or with installer |
| 10:31.25 | Catch`CoNdA | D3vil: I cant use valknut, it is not allowed |
| 10:31.35 | Catch`CoNdA | DC++ linux is too unstable |
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| 10:31.54 | Catch`CoNdA | Valknut allows multisource and such, it is not allowed on the hub |
| 10:32.03 | Kevin` | write a proxy program so it pretents to be the other program |
| 10:32.04 | theD3viL | Catch`CoNdA, sry then |
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| 10:32.16 | theD3viL | DeadSoul, k tnx...ill make it... |
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| 10:32.55 | Catch`CoNdA | mhm :) I followed this tutorial; http://funkfunk.orcon.net.nz/dcwine.html |
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| 10:34.47 | __filip_ | I can not log in into fluxbox, i get an error message that say i not was logged in for mor then 10 seconds but gnome works fine, what to do? |
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| 10:35.24 | Yp3rite | Hi here, i know that's #debian but i search information about xml-schema where i can see please ? expect on #xml |
| 10:35.47 | EdLin | Yp3rite: try google |
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| 10:36.04 | Yp3rite | i have tried .. but i don't find any chan |
| 10:36.26 | DeadSoul | for debian is the kernel the default /usr/src/linux ? |
| 10:36.43 | EdLin | Yp3rite: a) google is not a channel b) even if there were a channel you can't teach yourself XML on one. |
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| 10:37.05 | goron | Is it possible to request a certain IP from DHCP? |
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| 10:37.13 | Kevin` | ya |
| 10:37.15 | EdLin | DeadSoul: your question doesn't make sense, that's just a symlink that goes to a Linux source tree. |
| 10:37.15 | Catch`CoNdA | Yp3rite? information about it? what about W3.org? |
| 10:37.18 | mcgreg | hi+ |
| 10:37.19 | deadcat | goron: yes. map it with MAC address |
| 10:37.57 | sifi | where can I find a index for all applications avalible in linux? |
| 10:38.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:38.03 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:38.08 | EdLin | sifi: packages.debian.org |
| 10:38.10 | tarzeau | sifi: freshmeat.net |
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| 10:38.13 | Kevin` | wish I knew where dhclient put the ip it's going to request |
| 10:38.15 | tarzeau | sifi: but why limit yourself to linux? |
| 10:38.16 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, i have an xml files i have made an xsd but i have errors and i don't know how fix it |
| 10:38.34 | Catch`CoNdA | What is the error message? |
| 10:38.47 | sifi | tarzeau, EdLin sorry, I meant inbuilt applications (like sed, split or whatever) |
| 10:38.49 | EdLin | tarzeau: causing mischief here again? :-) |
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| 10:39.28 | tarzeau | EdLin: i'm very nice to everyone |
| 10:39.41 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, error documents end to soon and in document i have problem with "child" |
| 10:39.45 | EdLin | sifi: the minimal Debian install is very minimalistic compared to other distributions, and what's available is large compared to other distros. |
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| 10:39.53 | lord_rob | Hi ! I just installed new firefox from sid. The title bar says deer park, wasn't a codename ? |
| 10:40.08 | Catch`CoNdA | heh, alrite. have you been through the w3school ? |
| 10:40.11 | EdLin | tarzeau: isn't "why limit yourself to Linux" a bit of a troll? |
| 10:40.14 | Yp3rite | yes |
| 10:40.15 | Aim_Here | Sa, |
| 10:40.23 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, yes |
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| 10:40.36 | sifi | EdLin, ok, but how can I list all inbuilt applications and what they do (like apt-cache search)? |
| 10:40.41 | goron | EdLin: no, I don't think so. |
| 10:40.45 | Aim_Here | same here, lord_rob - I think it's just the name of the release candidate |
| 10:40.48 | tarzeau | EdLin: no, debian doesn't limit itself to linux |
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| 10:40.58 | goron | deadcat: Do you also have the long story? |
| 10:41.09 | EdLin | tarzeau: the packages available doesn't increase depending upon if its kfreebsd or hurd. |
| 10:41.27 | tarzeau | EdLin: yes they do |
| 10:41.34 | tarzeau | EdLin: linux doesn't have openbsd pf |
| 10:41.41 | goron | deadcat: I read the manpage and it seem that I need to add a fixed-address 192.5.5.213; option. |
| 10:41.45 | goron | er seems |
| 10:41.51 | tarzeau | EdLin: and with kfreebsd you can do UFS2 tricks |
| 10:42.01 | tarzeau | EdLin: and Hurd has other neatos that you'll never have with Linux |
| 10:42.13 | DeadSoul | what package do i need to do make menuconfig for kernel? |
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| 10:42.22 | EdLin | sifi: apt-cache show will list if it's required, standard, or some other level of necessity in "Priority:" |
| 10:42.22 | Catch`CoNdA | Yp3rite: is the file large? post it on pastebin or something then |
| 10:42.42 | lord_rob | Aim_Here: Gecko/20051216 don't panic it's not an old release (we're only the 18th ;) |
| 10:42.43 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, can i dcc ? |
| 10:43.01 | tarzeau | !topicsmite DeadSoul |
| 10:43.01 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon DeadSoul. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:43.04 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, or mail it's easyest |
| 10:43.14 | EdLin | tarzeau: that's not a reason to say that freshmeat.net is a good source of Debian aps. It's not a good idea to encourage people to download random tarballs or (shudder) rpms. |
| 10:43.22 | tarzeau | EdLin: he didn't ask for debian apps |
| 10:43.25 | Catch`CoNdA | serioulsy.. pastebin is the easiest way.. http://pastebin.com/ |
| 10:43.28 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, as you want |
| 10:43.30 | Yp3rite | ok |
| 10:43.33 | tarzeau | EdLin: he just asked for linux apps, and yes freshmeat is good |
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| 10:43.34 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, ok |
| 10:43.38 | EdLin | tarzeau: sigh |
| 10:43.57 | tarzeau | EdLin: it's not a good idea to keep people dumb and limited to what you like |
| 10:44.28 | EdLin | tarzeau: it's always better to look first in the repositories, if only to save you a bit of work |
| 10:44.35 | Catch`CoNdA | freshmeat is not only good, it's one of the best source for Debian apps :) |
| 10:44.50 | tarzeau | EdLin: since he didn't ask that way, i was assuming he knows how to check what's in debian and what not |
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| 10:45.01 | EdLin | tarzeau: he's asking in #debian |
| 10:45.14 | tarzeau | EdLin: that doesn't limit answers to debian only things |
| 10:45.26 | lord_rob | I love deer park, especially when it allows me to order my tabs :) |
| 10:45.26 | hent | it's still GNU/Linux ... |
| 10:45.33 | tarzeau | hent: not only |
| 10:45.37 | EdLin | tarzeau: it does topic-wise |
| 10:45.42 | hent | tarzeau: i know.. but in this case |
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| 10:45.45 | theD3viL | How to change partition size, if i have everything aleready installed and dont want to lose data? Kde, sarge. |
| 10:45.46 | pdani_ | hi |
| 10:45.52 | hent | GNUland* :P |
| 10:45.53 | signius | Its not GNU/Linux if you are using ther HURD kernel |
| 10:46.00 | hent | yes yes... |
| 10:46.03 | tarzeau | EdLin: but not only to free software that is already packaged for debian |
| 10:46.06 | pdani_ | i've some problems with MAKEDEV script |
| 10:46.10 | caphuso | signius: correct. in that case it's GNU/useless |
| 10:46.13 | sifi | tarzeau, I don't know whats in debian thats what I want to find out |
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| 10:46.28 | Ghostwolf | hi. when was the offical ver of debian updated? |
| 10:46.30 | tarzeau | sifi: that's a completely different question than what you asked before |
| 10:46.32 | lord_rob | theD3viL: easy, make backup (tar) then untar the backup on the new partition |
| 10:46.34 | pdani_ | # MAKEDEV update |
| 10:46.34 | pdani_ | /sbin/MAKEDEV: line 1: major_device-mapper=254: command not found |
| 10:46.38 | tarzeau | sifi: then the packages.d.o link was the right answer |
| 10:46.42 | pdani_ | and |
| 10:46.43 | EdLin | sifi: 15,000+ packages of software are in Debian's repositories |
| 10:46.44 | pdani_ | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know what "device-mapper" is |
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| 10:46.54 | theD3viL | lord_rob, no...i just wanna resize this partition |
| 10:46.59 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, thats ok ? |
| 10:47.07 | pdani_ | and it doesn't create /dev/mapper/control |
| 10:47.17 | Catch`CoNdA | where is the link? |
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| 10:47.30 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 10:47.31 | Dwonis | tarzeau: The problem with pointing people to freshmeat is that they will inevitable run a bare "make install", and then ask on #debian how to fix their systems. |
| 10:47.34 | pdani_ | is there a makedev-script which can handle /dev/mapper/*? |
| 10:47.43 | Dwonis | s/inevitable/inevitably/ |
| 10:47.45 | lord_rob | theD3viL: there is also qtparted |
| 10:47.47 | tarzeau | Dwonis: when did that ever happen? |
| 10:47.49 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, http://pastebin.com/468825 |
| 10:47.58 | theD3viL | lord_rob, k tnx |
| 10:47.58 | tarzeau | Dwonis: i can't remember, and even if they do, the answer is install the debian package with apt-get |
| 10:48.00 | EdLin | tarzeau: I've seen it happen |
| 10:48.05 | tarzeau | EdLin: i don't |
| 10:48.11 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, it's the xml i going to give you the xsd too |
| 10:48.18 | sifi | tarzeau, there must be some way to list all inbuilt applications in debian even if I'm without internet? |
| 10:48.27 | tarzeau | sifi: yes, apt-cache pkgnames |
| 10:48.33 | goron | deadcat: Could you say what file I need to configure? I am using the standard dhcp client. |
| 10:48.46 | EdLin | sifi: man apt-cache |
| 10:48.47 | theD3viL | lord_rob, or just parted? parted - The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program ? .. couse qtparted dont exist! |
| 10:49.01 | lord_rob | theD3viL: qtparted is included in kanotix live cd exactly for that purpose |
| 10:49.04 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, http://pastebin.com/468828 --Xsd |
| 10:49.16 | lord_rob | theD3viL: I suppose it's also in knoppix |
| 10:49.28 | theD3viL | lord_rob, but nothing like that in debian ? |
| 10:49.32 | lord_rob | anyway using a live cd like one of those is a good idea |
| 10:50.12 | lord_rob | theD3viL: qtparted - A parted frontend using QT (apt-cache search qtparted) |
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| 10:50.37 | theD3viL | lord_rob, i have to look into sources.list, brb |
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| 10:50.54 | theD3viL | lord_rob, or you have etch or sid ? |
| 10:50.59 | lord_rob | anyway you cannot resize a mounted partition |
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| 10:51.09 | lord_rob | sid |
| 10:51.10 | EdLin | !info qtparted sarge |
| 10:51.11 | Goshawk | hi, is there here someone that uses debpool? |
| 10:51.13 | jesperj | Can I install and run kde 3.5 on Etch/Testing? |
| 10:51.25 | Eulex | !anyone uses debpool |
| 10:51.29 | Eulex | !anyone use debpool |
| 10:51.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses debpool, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:51.50 | Eulex | Goshawk, your real question is...? |
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| 10:52.23 | lord_rob | jesperj: /j #debian-kde |
| 10:52.28 | jesperj | ty |
| 10:52.30 | Goshawk | Eulex, the real question is that when i install a new packag of an architecture the others are deleted... |
| 10:52.39 | aimtrainer | hey! Has anyone an idea why I can start a java infoviewer I intalles via javawebstart with over the java control panel but not from shell? |
| 10:52.50 | aimtrainer | aimtrainer@1[~]$ java -jar jnfoviewer.jar |
| 10:52.50 | aimtrainer | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: jnfoviewer/Main (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0) |
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| 10:52.55 | Goshawk | for others i mean the same package for other archs |
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| 10:53.22 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: update-alternatives --config java |
| 10:53.38 | aimtrainer | thx Dwonis Ill try |
| 10:53.45 | Goshawk | for example... if i install libxx for amd64 and then libxx for x86 the libxx for amd64 are deleted |
| 10:54.07 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, what are you thinking about this |
| 10:54.30 | aimtrainer | Dwonis root@1[aimtrainer]# update-alternatives --config java |
| 10:54.30 | aimtrainer | There is only 1 program which provides java |
| 10:54.30 | aimtrainer | (/usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin/java). Nothing to configure. |
| 10:54.48 | Goshawk | even if the "revision" number is different (libxx-0.9.23-2 with lbxx.0.9.23-3) |
| 10:54.54 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Did you install Java 1.5? If so, how? |
| 10:55.02 | Goshawk | Eulex, any suggestion? |
| 10:55.24 | aimtrainer | Dwonis I updated all ajava packges I could find with synaptic |
| 10:55.33 | aimtrainer | what is the one important? |
| 10:55.38 | Catch`CoNdA | yp3rite: check pm |
| 10:55.47 | Yp3rite | i m not register |
| 10:56.00 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, i m not register wait a moment |
| 10:56.01 | aimtrainer | j2re Dwonis ? |
| 10:56.02 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Ah. The problem with Java is that it's non-free and so not distributable in the archive. |
| 10:56.08 | aimtrainer | it is just 1.4... |
| 10:56.13 | tarzeau | is there a list that shows all package renames of debian? |
| 10:56.15 | aimtrainer | ah ok |
| 10:56.29 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Install java-package and run make-jpkg |
| 10:56.31 | Eulex | Goshawk, sorry, never used debpool |
| 10:56.32 | aimtrainer | so where do I have to get it from Dwonis |
| 10:56.36 | aimtrainer | ok |
| 10:56.43 | aimtrainer | sry didnt see the answer yet :) |
| 10:57.14 | Goshawk | can someone suggest me a good debian repository management system? |
| 10:57.15 | Catch`CoNdA | yp3rite: do you have the lines, which is giving you errors? |
| 10:57.24 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: You'll probably have to run "man make-jpkg", as you have to download the Java runtime (or dev kit) manually, then run make-jpkg on it |
| 10:57.24 | aimtrainer | Dwonis which java package |
| 10:57.28 | EdLin | aimtrainer: first get it from java.sun.com, then once you get the binary as he says run "fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-mumble.bin |
| 10:57.35 | Dwonis | aim-trainer: apt-get install java-package |
| 10:57.44 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: apt-get install java-package |
| 10:57.47 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, I have error now on the XML Schema |
| 10:57.50 | goron | Dwonis: Do you know why Debian can't just wget the good distribution from Sun's site? And then have a script agree with the license? |
| 10:57.51 | aimtrainer | ok good |
| 10:58.02 | aimtrainer | thank you all for your suppor! |
| 10:58.03 | aimtrainer | t |
| 10:58.05 | Yp3rite | yesterday i obtain error child on id_album from AlbumChansons |
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| 10:58.20 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, yesterday i obtain error child on id_album from AlbumChansons |
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| 10:58.49 | Aim_Here | goron, Debian doesn't feel comfortable giving out software that doesn['t abide by the DFSG |
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| 10:59.08 | Dwonis | goron: Dunno, you'd have to ask the maintainer. I suspect it has something to do with the way the Java download page works (it's kinda messy: doesn't let you download more than once, for example) |
| 10:59.38 | goron | Aim_Here: I don't know of *any* distribution that you can download gratis from the Internet, which has such an option. They all say: go to the Sun site... |
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| 10:59.47 | zcram | ahh sun microsystems... a bunch of dumb lawyers |
| 10:59.59 | zcram | can't even switch a light bulb |
| 11:00.00 | EdLin | goron: Debian tries, in general, to avoid breaking laws in order to provide packages |
| 11:00.17 | goron | EdLin: What law would be broken? |
| 11:00.44 | goron | EdLin: It's not like Debian distributes it. |
| 11:00.55 | Aim_Here | Well if Debian goes and installs software on your computer when you disagree with the license, that's probably some hacking law |
| 11:01.01 | Dwonis | goron: Who knows? I suppose someone could make a (really stupid) claim that it breaks the DMCA, because it circumvents an access control mechanism. |
| 11:01.03 | EdLin | goron: the terms of Java's license |
| 11:01.10 | Dwonis | goron: the mechanism being that you have to fill out a form |
| 11:01.45 | Catch`CoNdA | yp3rite, hmm try to reuse the xsd on a much smaller scheme, it would be easier to spot the errors then. expand it when it works. |
| 11:01.49 | Dwonis | goron: I doubt that kind of claim would be valid, but I also wouldn't want to have to go to court to find out if I'm correct. |
| 11:01.54 | goron | Dwonis: You have to press accept in some browser, but it doesn't matter which one. |
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| 11:02.53 | Dwonis | goron: My guess is that it's a combination of being technically difficult, and that nobody really feels like making it any easier for Sun to proliferate its proprietary crap platform. |
| 11:02.55 | goron | Dwonis: Well, I think Debian(and all others) are just trying to be on the safe side. |
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| 11:03.06 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA,you know what i obtain schema validator crashed on http://www.w3.org/2001/03/webdata/xsv# |
| 11:03.17 | Dwonis | goron: You're probably right. |
| 11:03.29 | EdLin | hopefully the various free Java projects will be closer and closer to being complete, classpath seems to be doing a good job and there's that new project from apache. |
| 11:03.38 | goron | Dwonis: The JVM is one of the best VM's in existence today, while it has limitations. |
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| 11:04.56 | goron | The JVM is tailored towards one language, but for that language it works nice(especially on Sun hardware :P ). |
| 11:05.05 | Dwonis | goron: But what's the point? It's not write-once-run-anywhere, and it's not free software. |
| 11:05.24 | Dwonis | goron: I've used Java, but frankly I've never seen the appeal of it over, say, portable C code. |
| 11:05.31 | Dwonis | (or C++ code) |
| 11:06.09 | Dwonis | And gcc is ported to more platforms than Java is. |
| 11:06.19 | EdLin | Dwonis: it does a better job of keeping in-it-for-the-money-corporate-coders from shooting themselves in the foot. |
| 11:06.26 | goron | Dwonis: Java in theory is write-once-run-anywhere, and in practice there are some changes between platforms. |
| 11:06.31 | Dwonis | And if I need to, I can have gcc ported to another platform, without trying to get Sun to cooperate. |
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| 11:06.54 | Dwonis | EdLin: I guess. |
| 11:06.55 | goron | Dwonis: The Java platform has done a lot of work already to make things portable. |
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| 11:07.35 | goron | Dwonis: If you don't require extreme performance for a large application then there's not very much wrong with Java for a middle-sized company. |
| 11:07.40 | Dwonis | goron: I've just always found it to be a hassle. This includes the language, the VM, the licensing, and the performance. |
| 11:07.57 | EdLin | Dwonis: in Java's favor, if you write a GUI program or a network program in C it will be less portable than one in Java. |
| 11:08.02 | goron | Dwonis: I also don't like the language, but their VM is not that bad. |
| 11:08.25 | aimtrainer | 32-bit iSeries/pSeries I have an amd sempron -It's not 32-bit xSeries (Intel compatible) so is it p-series? |
| 11:08.32 | aimtrainer | or iseries |
| 11:08.33 | Dwonis | EdLin: it all depends on the library you use. |
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| 11:08.49 | streuner | aimtrainer: k7 |
| 11:08.55 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, |
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| 11:08.58 | goron | Dwonis: And about free software: I don't think that GPL software is free. |
| 11:09.05 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, i have the error lines :) |
| 11:09.16 | DeadSoul | whats the diff between xfree86 and xorg? |
| 11:09.16 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, Error at (35,2): The element 'Chanson' has invalid child element 'id_chanson'. An error occurred at , (35, 2). |
| 11:09.18 | Dwonis | goron: that's nice. |
| 11:09.18 | tarzeau | EdLin: that's just not true |
| 11:09.22 | streuner | aimtrainer: /msg dpkg k7 |
| 11:09.23 | goron | Dwonis: public domain is free. |
| 11:09.36 | EdLin | tarzeau: well, there's also GNUstep. :-) |
| 11:09.45 | Yp3rite | Catch`CoNdA, Error at (148,2): The element 'Chanson' has invalid child element 'id_chanson'. An error occurred at , (148, 2). |
| 11:09.48 | tarzeau | EdLin: exactly, and it's even free. unlike java |
| 11:09.51 | Dwonis | goron: please leave that "GPL isn't free" flamewar for another time. |
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| 11:10.06 | tarzeau | EdLin: it's not the language that makes something portable, but a set of well done abstractions |
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| 11:10.14 | tarzeau | EdLin: say, like FoundationKit |
| 11:10.21 | Aim_Here | How can you extol java then come out with the 'gpl isn't free' flamebait? |
| 11:10.23 | aimtrainer | streuner what does this command? |
| 11:10.32 | aimtrainer | I dont quite get it |
| 11:10.33 | valdyn | DeadSoul: beside the legal issues the changes are in ( many ) details, like drivers / extensions, nothing major. |
| 11:10.36 | goron | Dwonis: Well, I wanted to say that for some class of programs (i.e. finished bug-free programs) GPL doesn't work. |
| 11:10.46 | streuner | aimtrainer: nothing dangerous |
| 11:10.54 | goron | Dwonis: There's no need for support. The business model doesn't work out. |
| 11:10.56 | EdLin | tarzeau: try getting a PHB to make something in GNUstep rather than in Java though. :-( |
| 11:10.59 | aimtrainer | that is not what Im afraid of |
| 11:11.06 | DeadSoul | hmm so about card support and WM support it should be the same? |
| 11:11.06 | aimtrainer | it just does noting 8[ |
| 11:11.15 | Aim_Here | finished bug-free programs? no such animal |
| 11:11.22 | tarzeau | EdLin: i'm glad i don't have to deal with PHBs. |
| 11:11.22 | streuner | !tell aimtrainer about k7 |
| 11:11.27 | goron | Dwonis: For hardware companies there's no fear to GPL stuff, imho. |
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| 11:11.29 | SR|Ada | off topic I know, but RSA SecurIDs are no use without the seed files on disk or CD, right? |
| 11:11.32 | valdyn | DeadSoul: no, drivers are different, as i said |
| 11:11.44 | Dwonis | goron: what business model? The majority of software isn't developed for software companies... |
| 11:11.54 | DeadSoul | so which one should i get? |
| 11:11.59 | EdLin | tarzeau: where do you work? |
| 11:12.03 | valdyn | DeadSoul: the default for you distro |
| 11:12.11 | aimtrainer | ah thanks streuner |
| 11:12.16 | DeadSoul | im on sarge |
| 11:12.21 | tarzeau | EdLin: not as if it matters, but i've got stuff on gnu.ethz.ch |
| 11:12.35 | Aim_Here | GPL is great for making software. It might be less great for m aking money, but who cares. |
| 11:12.51 | Dwonis | Aim_Here: You should replace that with "making money directly from software" |
| 11:13.11 | goron | Dwonis: Well, suppose you create software to optimize say floorplans. Now, suppose your program is finished and always works flawlessly, now suppose it's GPL. Then you are out of business. |
| 11:13.18 | Dwonis | Aim_Here: Most businesses that just *need* software benefit from having a large pool of GPL software. |
| 11:13.41 | valdyn | goron: most software ever written is custom software, that could be gpl just fine. |
| 11:13.43 | Dwonis | goron: Only if your business model is designed around writing floorplan software. |
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| 11:13.50 | EdLin | tarzeau: nice collection of stuff there. BTW, how is emacs.app for GNUstep coming along? |
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| 11:13.57 | Dwonis | s/writing/selling/ |
| 11:14.09 | tarzeau | EdLin: very well, there's been some discussions, check google groups for emacs.app |
| 11:14.13 | goron | Dwonis: So, you are saying that after say 10 years of development, the company should find a new domain to work on? |
| 11:14.30 | tarzeau | EdLin: i should stop having fun with live and finish that gnustep live cd (based on kfreebsd) with emacs.app |
| 11:14.31 | SR|Ada | tarzeau, emacs for NextStep? |
| 11:14.34 | Aim_Here | DWonis, well yeah, I didn't say it was impossible to make money from GPL software, just that it's harder than slapping a EULA on it and charging a 400% markup |
| 11:14.36 | signius | How would you be out of business if you GPLd the software as apposed to if you didnt ? |
| 11:14.46 | signius | Why would you still be in business if you didnt GPL it ? |
| 11:14.50 | tarzeau | SR|Ada: for GNUstep, but yes it also exists for OPENSTEP: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/emacs.png but check http://gnu.ethz.ch/emacs.app.png |
| 11:15.10 | SR|Ada | aha |
| 11:15.18 | goron | Dwonis: Free software is great for customers, but I really have to see a company that has great software and is GPL. I haven't seen one single piece of GPL software(complexer than command line) that always works. |
| 11:15.30 | valdyn | signius: duh, you cannot charge much just for GPLed software, simple uh? |
| 11:15.45 | EdLin | tarzeau: will its kfreebsd installation be compatable with my USB keyboard and with my broken ACPI? Only 6.0 allowed me to run it again, 5.x doesn't work on my hardware without an extra keyboard. |
| 11:15.55 | SR|Ada | know who I should ask about SecurIDs? |
| 11:15.57 | Aim_Here | I've yet to see one piece of software that always works |
| 11:16.02 | Kevin` | complexity is not defined by the user interface |
| 11:16.06 | tarzeau | EdLin: i'm still with 5.4 of kfreebsd, but 6.0 is coming along well, matter of time |
| 11:16.07 | goron | signius: You could simply say: you can use this program if you pay me X dollars/year |
| 11:16.20 | valdyn | goron: check out www.netfilter.org, if that isnt complex enough for you, duh |
| 11:16.21 | tarzeau | EdLin: whatever works with freebsd 6, will work with kfreebsd 6 (mostly), more details in #gnu-kbsd |
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| 11:16.30 | valdyn | goron: or trolltech |
| 11:16.38 | tarzeau | EdLin: certainly i can stop making very ugly patches and workarounds that i used to do with morphix and linux 2.6 |
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| 11:16.47 | Dwonis | goron: It's simple. You start a software company, and people contract you to write software. Once people no longer feel a need to pay you to develop floorplan software, you make your money writing other kinds of software. |
| 11:17.01 | Dwonis | goron: There's a huge market for custom software, and that market won't likely go away. |
| 11:17.02 | tarzeau | EdLin: still waiting for gcc-4.1 on kfreebsd and the libdiscover fix/port |
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| 11:17.07 | goron | valdyn: trolltech is different, since it's targeted at software producerers. |
| 11:17.11 | sifi | tarzeau, apt-cache pkgnames | grep split does not list split but among other packages that I don't have |
| 11:17.18 | goron | er producers |
| 11:17.24 | tarzeau | sifi: split is a binary? |
| 11:17.36 | sifi | tarzeau, yes |
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| 11:17.40 | Aim_Here | Does it matter about the money, goron, if the software gets made? |
| 11:17.45 | tarzeau | sifi: it's in coreutils |
| 11:17.49 | DeadSoul | where is grub config file? |
| 11:17.49 | signius | I think any business plan that is designed around 1 product creating you a never ending income is a seriously flawed and unrealistic business form the start |
| 11:17.52 | valdyn | goron: the software that cant be gpled is really a minority by lines of code anyway |
| 11:17.55 | tarzeau | sifi: pkgnames lists all binary package names, not all binaries |
| 11:17.59 | sifi | tarzeau, aha |
| 11:18.03 | Dwonis | goron: Software developers are *labour* that will get paid to develop software. |
| 11:18.06 | valdyn | goron: like games |
| 11:18.10 | Aim_Here | signius - real estate |
| 11:18.21 | goron | valdyn: and I was saying that I haven't seen great software that's GPL, and I will check that links for sure. |
| 11:18.26 | sifi | tarzeau, Is it possible to list binaries? |
| 11:18.33 | tarzeau | sifi: sure |
| 11:18.34 | signius | real estate still has to be mainatned and updated over time |
| 11:18.36 | valdyn | goron: www.openoffice.org |
| 11:18.40 | tarzeau | sifi: do you have a mirror of debian? |
| 11:18.42 | valdyn | goron: www.kernel.org |
| 11:18.51 | tarzeau | sifi: will be easier and faster with the mirror... |
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| 11:19.08 | Dwonis | tarzeau: those aren't examples of great software |
| 11:19.12 | takatumi | tarzeau: ain't you searching for patents? ;) |
| 11:19.19 | sifi | tarzeau, yes, but I just want to display binaries that I have installed so I know what to play with by default |
| 11:19.20 | goron | valdyn: A user does not have to pay kernel.org |
| 11:19.20 | tarzeau | takatumi: haha, says who? |
| 11:19.25 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm dating women |
| 11:19.31 | Dwonis | tarzeau: sorry, I meant to send that to valdyn |
| 11:19.32 | goron | valdyn: openoffice.org is full of bugs. |
| 11:19.32 | takatumi | tarzeau: enjoy! |
| 11:19.36 | tarzeau | takatumi: do i look like a patent searcher? boring |
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| 11:19.40 | bassMonkey | hmm, how can I tell if i'm running a 64-bit kernel? |
| 11:19.40 | DeadSoul | i got default grub from debian install and its working fine but i dont have any /boot/grub/grub.conf file.. wheres my current grub config? |
| 11:19.41 | tarzeau | takatumi: i sure do |
| 11:19.44 | valdyn | goron: as is ms word |
| 11:19.47 | Dwonis | valdyn: Linux and OpenOffice are terrible examples |
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| 11:20.03 | valdyn | Dwonis: how so? |
| 11:20.04 | signius | Also kernel.org isnt a finished bug free piece of software and never ever will be |
| 11:20.05 | goron | valdyn: Could be, but again, you don't have to pay for openoffice.org |
| 11:20.16 | goron | valdyn: and StarOffice isn't GPL.. |
| 11:20.19 | valdyn | goron: you dont have to pay for GPLed software |
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| 11:20.28 | tarzeau | sifi: ah that's easier |
| 11:20.32 | valdyn | goron: thats its nature, duh |
| 11:20.37 | goron | valdyn: Well, if you are "the first" you have. |
| 11:20.38 | Dwonis | valdyn: Linux is frequently found to be full of security holes (see anything to do with ptrace), and OpenOffice is just large and buggy |
| 11:20.53 | Aim_Here | goron - Sun presumably makes money somehow from openoffice |
| 11:21.03 | valdyn | goron: bullshit |
| 11:21.03 | goron | Aim_Here: they do? |
| 11:21.08 | tarzeau | sifi: COLUMNS=169 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | while read a ; do dpkg -L $a | grep bin; done |
| 11:21.10 | valdyn | Dwonis: as is any OS |
| 11:21.14 | Aim_Here | Why would they make it otherwise? |
| 11:21.20 | EdLin | Dwonis: well, if one is looking for security the *BSDs have that |
| 11:21.24 | Dwonis | valdyn: That's true. |
| 11:21.29 | Aim_Here | Even if openoffice is just a means of hooking people to staroffice |
| 11:21.33 | tarzeau | sifi: more or less. it'll be missing binaries in places without bin in, like games |
| 11:21.42 | tarzeau | sifi: but really what do you want to do REALLY? |
| 11:21.55 | valdyn | staroffice doesnt offer more than oo.org really |
| 11:22.03 | signius | Its possible to use GPLd code in your products along side youre own code and only release source for the GPLd portions hence still allowing you to use your locked in proprietry business model your so keen on look at the likes of Linksys it works for them and i accpet they are also a hardware compnay but i am refereing to there use of GPLd software |
| 11:22.10 | Dwonis | EdLin: Not really. OpenBSD comes close, but when I want security, I'm talking about setting up a box and *leaving it alone* for a decade or more. |
| 11:22.12 | tarzeau | valdyn: really firefox and openoffice are large and buggy |
| 11:22.27 | Aim_Here | staroffice probably offers PHB peace of mind and the opportunity to fill up their budget so they keep the budget next year |
| 11:22.36 | tarzeau | Aim_Here: same shit, really |
| 11:22.42 | valdyn | tarzeau: i dont know about oo.org, firefox works fine for me. |
| 11:22.45 | EdLin | Dwonis: you've got to be kidding if you think commercial software, such as Windows or propritary Unix, is less security-prone |
| 11:23.04 | Dwonis | EdLin: If you read what I've been saying to goron, you'll see that I'm not making that argument. |
| 11:23.10 | Aim_Here | tarzeau Well in the context of this discussion, I think it's about how Sun makes money |
| 11:23.25 | DeadSoul | i dont understand.. i got grub working and all but i dont have any /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 11:23.30 | valdyn | sun doesnt even try to make money with software |
| 11:23.35 | tarzeau | Aim_Here: want to discuss how sun misses some points how they could've made much more money? |
| 11:23.36 | DeadSoul | where is it located? |
| 11:23.37 | Kevin` | menu.lst |
| 11:23.43 | valdyn | sun sells hardware. |
| 11:23.43 | tarzeau | valdyn: yeah, it's horrible |
| 11:23.48 | Dwonis | EdLin: I suspect when goron talks about "great software that doesn't change", he's talking about stuff like qmail, which is non-free and is stabilized. |
| 11:23.55 | valdyn | ( and support ) |
| 11:24.15 | sifi | tarzeau, what I really really want to do is to figure out which the most usable inbult binaries is, learn them and play with them |
| 11:24.26 | valdyn | i suspect he's just trolling |
| 11:24.42 | Kevin` | ( DeadSoul ) |
| 11:25.01 | tarzeau | sifi: it's easier to have an exactly defined problem, and find one possible solution to it |
| 11:25.18 | DeadSoul | yes Kevin`? |
| 11:25.18 | Aim_Here | valdyn, probably. He should go to #gnu for that |
| 11:25.20 | sifi | tarzeau, like ch[mod own gpr], mkdir, touch etc |
| 11:25.25 | Kevin` | menu.lst |
| 11:25.32 | tarzeau | sifi: oh, just check /bin and /sbin then |
| 11:25.44 | sifi | tarzeau, well I know those, but split for example was new for me for today |
| 11:26.15 | sifi | tarzeau, ah |
| 11:26.15 | EdLin | sifi: that's a learning process everyone using *nix makes, get used to it. :-) |
| 11:26.16 | DeadSoul | wow ok thanks |
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| 11:26.19 | tarzeau | sifi: what size of file did you split in how many files? |
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| 11:26.48 | goron | valdyn: I am not trying to, but I don't really see people throwing money at me assuming I would develop some working software. Especially when it just sits there and does it job, and doesn't require maintainance. |
| 11:26.58 | asuffield | valdyn: I don't think sun really makes much money from hardware either :P |
| 11:27.09 | sifi | tarzeau, 3mb to 1 each |
| 11:27.10 | valdyn | asuffield: true, but they try. |
| 11:27.15 | asuffield | the funny thing about sun is that at any given time, they appear to be doing the best they can to go out of business |
| 11:27.16 | tarzeau | sifi: uncompressed? |
| 11:27.21 | asuffield | it's something of a mystery as to why they're still around |
| 11:27.29 | sifi | tarzeau, mp3 |
| 11:27.34 | valdyn | goron: most software in existance is written for exactly 1 customer. |
| 11:27.45 | tarzeau | sifi: wow, you've still got floppy disks? |
| 11:27.48 | Aim_Here | goron, why should you expect to be paid an infinite amount of rent for a job you did once? |
| 11:27.50 | Dwonis | goron: People will pay you to develop the software in the first place. Once you've finished the development, why should they continue to pay you? |
| 11:27.57 | asuffield | it has become something of an effective manner to determine what trends will survive. if sun's backing it, it's probably going to fail |
| 11:28.08 | Kevin` | tarzeau gotten to that point has it? oh well |
| 11:28.11 | sifi | tarzeau, was just an ex. |
| 11:28.13 | sifi | tarzeau, =) |
| 11:28.16 | valdyn | goron: and the license really is quite irrelevan tthere for the producer of it |
| 11:28.19 | tarzeau | Kevin`: huh? |
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| 11:28.29 | Dwonis | goron: I mean, if they're willing to, then it's obviously something you'd prefer, but I don't see that it's a necessity. |
| 11:28.30 | Kevin` | "wow you still have floppy disks" |
| 11:28.38 | tarzeau | Kevin`: i've got a bad lag still |
| 11:28.49 | goron | Dwonis: It assures continuation of the company to find other development projects. |
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| 11:28.58 | Dwonis | goron: so does *competence* |
| 11:29.06 | asuffield | if the software is just sitting there and doesn't require maintainance, why the fuck should anybody pay you anything for it? quit trying to get a free ride |
| 11:29.07 | valdyn | goron: but im sure IBM can answer this even better since they produce a crapload of GPL stuff |
| 11:29.10 | tarzeau | Kevin`: lag of mind, of yesternight, not a network one |
| 11:29.31 | valdyn | goron: ..and i dont see IBM going anywhere due to lack of money |
| 11:29.48 | Dwonis | asuffield: I think the argument is that developers *won't* develop good software unless they will be paid forever if they do. |
| 11:30.02 | goron | valdyn: So when I go to IBM and ask them to develop something, I get GPL software by default? |
| 11:30.05 | tarzeau | Dwonis: i disagree |
| 11:30.09 | sifi | tarzeau, how do You split 2.1BG into 3 á 700MB and a CMD file that can puzzle them togheter in windows |
| 11:30.22 | asuffield | Dwonis: I think the counterargument is that they mostly don't develop good software even if you do |
| 11:30.23 | Aim_Here | If you ask IBM for GPLed software and pay them to write it, probablyt |
| 11:30.25 | Kevin` | cat will put them together |
| 11:30.26 | Dwonis | asuffield: but all it takes is a small number of developers who *are* willing to make good software, and competition will pretty much weed out the ones who won't. |
| 11:30.27 | valdyn | goron: if you ask someone to develop something, you get to decide what license it has, you pay |
| 11:30.31 | tarzeau | sifi: #windows |
| 11:30.42 | Dwonis | asuffield: I'm not saying I agree with the argument. |
| 11:30.43 | tarzeau | Kevin`: on windows it's type /b |
| 11:30.51 | asuffield | I find the argument quite silly :P |
| 11:30.56 | Kevin` | oh there's a command on windows? |
| 11:30.57 | Kevin` | neat |
| 11:31.14 | goron | valdyn: Yes, of course, and I think GPL would cost _a_lot_ more than just getting a binary and no rights. |
| 11:31.21 | asuffield | anything which is predicated on notions like "commercial software isn't a PILE OF STEAMING HORSESHIT" is almost certainly wrong |
| 11:31.27 | tarzeau | Kevin`: commands are not the problem, but pipes and and the crappy "shell" |
| 11:31.35 | Dwonis | goron: For a particular job, it would, but overall, it won't. |
| 11:31.35 | Aim_Here | asuffield, the real counterargument is that the software that they write without the proprietary rent thing is often better |
| 11:31.49 | Dwonis | goron: It won't, because of all the software that you *don't* have to contract somebody to pay for. |
| 11:31.56 | Kevin` | tarzeau ya, you wouldn't need the commands if the shell was better |
| 11:32.06 | Dwonis | goron: Or you can pay them less because they can base their work on existing software. |
| 11:32.15 | Aim_Here | asuffield, hehe, or the HORSESHIT thing |
| 11:32.16 | valdyn | goron: and would probably be worth it as i'd not be locked to one vendor. Actually, PAYING for custom software that you'd only get binary would be really horrible stupid |
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| 11:32.26 | Dwonis | goron: I would argue that this would tend to improve software quality... once customers start caring about that. |
| 11:32.31 | asuffield | I've supported a lot of different pieces of software, and only the stuff on a proper development contract has ever even worked, by any reasonable definition of 'worked' |
| 11:32.36 | asuffield | off-the-shelf stuff *never* has |
| 11:32.54 | goron | Dwonis: that is a good point. |
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| 11:33.34 | goron | Dwonis: Is it illegal for an employee to seize GPL software in a company and put it on a public server? |
| 11:33.47 | Aim_Here | goron, yes |
| 11:33.47 | Dwonis | goron: I am not your lawyer :) |
| 11:33.56 | valdyn | goron: eh? |
| 11:33.58 | asuffield | goron: probably. check your employment contract |
| 11:34.17 | asuffield | you'll likely find a clause about 'misuse of company assets' |
| 11:34.32 | valdyn | well if its already GPL then that's hardly misuse |
| 11:34.33 | Kevin` | why would someone closed source gpl software anyway |
| 11:34.34 | Aim_Here | It depends on what you mean by 'GPL software' |
| 11:34.41 | signius | If its GPLd software you should need to steel it of a companies equipment you should be able to get the software openly and legally |
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| 11:34.52 | asuffield | valdyn: it's misuse if your employer didn't want you to do it |
| 11:34.53 | signius | should = shouldnt |
| 11:34.55 | Aim_Here | If it's a copy of gcc lying around, hardly. If it's a software in development and not released yet, yes |
| 11:34.56 | asuffield | that's more or less a definition |
| 11:35.03 | Dwonis | goron: My guess is that the employee couldn't be successfully sued for copyright infringement by his employer. |
| 11:35.16 | asuffield | oh, no way is it copyright infringement |
| 11:35.22 | goron | Dwonis: But I think for other things. |
| 11:35.23 | asuffield | it's just a good way to get fired |
| 11:35.31 | Dwonis | goron: Probably. |
| 11:35.35 | asuffield | and probably sued for breach of your contract |
| 11:35.36 | signius | But he might be used to missuse of company propertly and resources |
| 11:36.23 | takatumi | goron: if you get your companies permission you could even run a local mirror. |
| 11:36.24 | goron | Suppose a company needs software X of software producer Y. Now another company X' thinks that the software of X is really cool. So it plants an employee at company X to steal the GPL software. |
| 11:36.33 | Dwonis | goron: The real question would be whether or not the company violated the GPL by distributing the program to an employee under non-free terms. |
| 11:37.03 | Aim_Here | goron, if the software is GPLL, why doesn't Y just buy a copy and look at the source code? |
| 11:37.03 | goron | Dwonis: yes, is the employee another use, or part of the same user Company. |
| 11:37.07 | valdyn | goron: GPL software cant be 'stolen', the misuse only applies to 'stealing' energe / computing time. the GPL software could be gotten elsewhere. |
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| 11:37.20 | Dwonis | goron: Personally, I think it's a valid argument that internal distribution is still distribution. Otherwise, we could distribute 800 copies of Windows XP "internally" without violating copyright. |
| 11:37.22 | Aim_Here | goron, thus saving it's board members and employees some jail time |
| 11:37.22 | DeadSoul | its starting "statd" on boot but its not located in /etc/init.d/ where can i stop it from being loaded on boot? |
| 11:37.36 | goron | valdyn: not if IBM made is and only sold it for $$$. |
| 11:37.47 | asuffield | board members don't do jail time, they do stock options |
| 11:37.47 | sifi | tarzeau, yes, but grep should grep split in my case, right? |
| 11:37.48 | valdyn | goron: then it's not GPL |
| 11:37.56 | signius | goron you may want to read "Selected essays of Richard M Stallment" from GNU Press ISBN 1-882114-98-1 |
| 11:37.56 | goron | valdyn: sure it is. |
| 11:38.05 | Kevin` | so you buy it, then copy it |
| 11:38.15 | tarzeau | sifi: i don't understand |
| 11:38.25 | tarzeau | sifi: no you look for it in the wrong place |
| 11:38.27 | signius | I am sure there is also an O'Reilys book regarding Licensing also but i dont know the name and ISBN |
| 11:38.29 | valdyn | goron: GPL permits free redistribution, if redistribution is not permitted freely, then its not GPL |
| 11:38.31 | tarzeau | sifi: split is something anyone can use |
| 11:38.39 | tarzeau | sifi: there's no reason it should be in /sbin |
| 11:38.45 | Aim_Here | sugbuys it's by Larry Rosen |
| 11:38.51 | Aim_Here | signius rather |
| 11:38.52 | goron | valdyn: ok, so the employee can do that? |
| 11:39.18 | valdyn | goron: an employee is not necessarily allowed to free use resources for non-work related stuff |
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| 11:39.41 | goron | valdyn: ok, then it's clear. |
| 11:40.12 | Dwonis | valdyn / goron: My understanding is that a company *can* release software in violation of the GPL, and that customers would still not be entitled to distribute that software under the terms of the GPL. However, that company could be sued for copyright infringement, and could get injunctive relief. |
| 11:40.14 | valdyn | goron: you case is very contructed, no one would GPL someting and then refuse distributing it |
| 11:40.16 | signius | cheers i got an option of a free book with my subscribtion to Linux User and Developer and i was stcu between the Spam Assasin book and the License book i chose the Spam book in the end |
| 11:40.22 | sifi | tarzeau, /usr/bin/split |
| 11:40.38 | tarzeau | sifi: yes, and what's the verb ? |
| 11:40.42 | Dwonis | valdyn: Didn't one of the makers of alternative formware for the WRT54G do that? |
| 11:40.56 | sifi | tarzeau, ok, so /bin/ /sbin/ /usr/bin/ /usr/sbin/ is the dir I should look for |
| 11:41.07 | tarzeau | sifi: and /usr/games |
| 11:41.07 | goron | valdyn: I like constructed, contrived things :) |
| 11:41.12 | sifi | tarzeau, If I want to find binaries to play with |
| 11:41.16 | tarzeau | sifi: maybe also /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/sbin |
| 11:41.23 | tarzeau | sifi: and maybe ~/bin |
| 11:41.23 | valdyn | Dwonis: no, they took GPL code and didnt follow what the GPL asks from distributors |
| 11:41.29 | tarzeau | sifi: yes |
| 11:41.35 | Aim_Here | Hey goron, if you want a good gpl troll, try looking into 'first sale' or 'exhaustion of rights' doctrine |
| 11:41.51 | tarzeau | sifi: but really binaries can be anywhere,try maybe find and look for the +x |
| 11:41.54 | valdyn | Dwonis: they implecitely relicensed code that didnt belong to them, which the GPL disallows |
| 11:41.54 | signius | yes they do i think its Sveasofts WRT54G firmware and if you look into the company and how they do things GPL violations are just the tip of the iceberg as to what sort of scum they are |
| 11:42.22 | Aim_Here | It doesn't work in Germany or the UK, but you can sortof breach the GPL a bit, maybe, under 17 USC 109 if you contrive hard enought |
| 11:42.28 | Kevin` | it's not even very good firmware |
| 11:42.30 | Kevin` | ;) |
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| 11:42.33 | valdyn | Dwonis: thats pretty much the same as commercially distributin warez |
| 11:42.49 | EdLin | sifi: man 7 hier |
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| 11:43.00 | valdyn | netfilter is getting good money by the GPL 'violators' |
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| 11:43.25 | signius | Sveasoft seem to be getting quite a reputation for taking peoples money and then shafting them and even getting very threatful when confronted |
| 11:43.29 | Dwonis | valdyn: You don't have to distribute code, just because it's under the GPL. The GPL's requirements only apply when you *do* distribute the code. |
| 11:43.43 | valdyn | Dwonis: wrong |
| 11:43.53 | sifi | EdLin, ah =) |
| 11:43.59 | Dwonis | valdyn: cite? I read the GPL. |
| 11:44.04 | Aim_Here | What's wrong about that, valdyn? |
| 11:44.14 | valdyn | Dwonis: the GPL asks, that if you distribute a binary you must ship the code |
| 11:44.19 | Dwonis | valdyn: by "the code" I mean binaries as well |
| 11:44.21 | Aim_Here | That's different |
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| 11:44.26 | signius | But i agree there are better and totally free firmwares available to the WRT54G |
| 11:44.32 | Aim_Here | If you're distributing binary, you have to ship source |
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| 11:44.46 | Aim_Here | You're under no obligation to distribute either to begin with thogh |
| 11:44.48 | valdyn | Aim_Here: yea, that's what i mean |
| 11:45.12 | valdyn | Dwonis: i see, that was the misunderstanding ) |
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| 11:45.19 | Kevin` | you are if you distribute others code |
| 11:45.52 | signius | You can also choose to stop releasing your code under the GPL if you want but the code you realeased up to that point will always remain in the public domain |
| 11:46.01 | Greek-Boy | If someone can please help me fix my apt-get, its all stuffed. join #paste |
| 11:46.02 | DeadSoul | would it break anything if you dont load syslogd and/or klogd ? |
| 11:46.20 | Dwonis | signius: s/in the public domain/under the terms of the GPL/ |
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| 11:46.28 | Aim_Here | Kevin` - you're not. |
| 11:46.56 | signius | Dwonis whats "s/" ? |
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| 11:47.14 | Kevin` | so I change a bit of gnu software, and distribute the binary only from a web site, and i'm fine Aim_Here? |
| 11:47.21 | goron | signius: GPL!=public domain |
| 11:47.27 | valdyn | Kevin`: no |
| 11:47.42 | Aim_Here | You're under no obligation to distribute anything. |
| 11:47.44 | Dwonis | sorry. it's perl/sed syntax. s/a/b/ means "substitute the first 'a' on each line 'b'" |
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| 11:47.48 | valdyn | Kevin`: you need to distribute the complete modified source |
| 11:48.06 | Aim_Here | Dwomis, call it a regular expression so he knows what to google for |
| 11:48.10 | Kevin` | Aim_Here of course, but if you don't distribute it, there's no problem |
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| 11:48.22 | SimonRaven | man sed |
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| 11:48.33 | Aim_Here | Kevin` good, that's what we were saying in the first place. All agreed. |
| 11:48.40 | Aim_Here | sed, man! |
| 11:48.40 | goron | A hyper efficient sockets implementation also makes GPL'ing code useless. |
| 11:48.53 | Dwonis | signius: "man perlre" or "man sed" for extensive details |
| 11:49.07 | signius | yes i know i was saying that you do have a choice to change your licensing its like you have to keep your code GPLd forever or till hell free over if you wish to change your mind at a later date is all i was trying to say but you wouldnt be able to un GPL what was already released tho i am not sure i explained what i meant too well |
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| 11:49.27 | goron | You just wrap the library in a binary and communicate via sockets to the library. |
| 11:49.50 | valdyn | goron: not exactly true, no one just sued nvidia yet ( which is a similar case ) |
| 11:49.51 | signius | not like you have to i meant that missing "not" changed that whole sentances meaning LOL |
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| 11:49.58 | Aim_Here | goron, we don't care about the ins and outs of your personal battle to work out whether or not it's appropritate to make GPLed code. You know why? Because GPLed code gets made. |
| 11:50.04 | Dwonis | goron: I wouldn't try that in court. |
| 11:50.06 | Aim_Here | goron, there's terabytes of the stuff |
| 11:50.19 | EdLin | goron: then it will end up in Debian contrib, not in main |
| 11:50.26 | brt | hello |
| 11:50.34 | goron | valdyn: do you have a link to what exactly is wrong with that? |
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| 11:50.49 | EdLin | isn't anti-GPL trolling an odd stance to take in a channel devoted to Debian GPL/* |
| 11:51.10 | valdyn | goron: google |
| 11:51.12 | Aim_Here | It'd be no fun to troll the GPL in #windowsxp, now, would it? |
| 11:51.22 | SimonRaven | GNU/* |
| 11:51.35 | Dwonis | EdLin: New topic for discussion: The DFSG should include an exception for Microsoft. |
| 11:51.41 | asuffield | the courts usually take a dim view of people who blatantly try to evade license terms via technical sophistry |
| 11:51.46 | EdLin | SimonRaven: yes, that's what I meant. Haven't finished dosing myself on caffiene |
| 11:52.03 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 11:52.29 | DeadSoul | would it break anything if you dont load syslogd and/or klogd ?? |
| 11:52.30 | brt | i am using a hardware raid controller and see poor performance, maybe because of the io-sheduling, can you give me a hint, how to optimize it with the standard sarge-2.6-kernel? |
| 11:52.52 | Aim_Here | Dwonis - nah, the two Microsoft free licenses should be accepted, we should make proper free Microsoft software welcome and if they decide to throw rattles out of prams, we'll have the moral upper ground |
| 11:52.58 | veleno | how can i resize a bunch of pictures without scaling them one by one in gimp ? |
| 11:53.20 | SimonRaven | mogrify or convert from imagemagick |
| 11:53.29 | adii | how to add "user" to "group" ? |
| 11:53.41 | Kevin` | usermod -G groups,.. user |
| 11:53.49 | Kevin` | change not add! |
| 11:53.51 | asuffield | 'adduser user group', actually |
| 11:54.01 | Dwonis | Aim_Here: That's not the kind of exception I meant. I meant an exception such as, "All software written, produced, advertised, or endorsed by Micrsoft is deemed to be free software." ;) |
| 11:54.04 | adii | okok |
| 11:54.15 | brt | is it safe to use elevator=deadline ? |
| 11:54.22 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 11:54.26 | Aim_Here | Dwonis, Aaah, well OF COURSE that should be free. |
| 11:54.34 | asuffield | brt: yes, but it's unlikely to accomplish much |
| 11:54.34 | Kevin` | asuffield debian feature or standard feature is that? |
| 11:54.36 | Aim_Here | :) |
| 11:54.43 | goron | valdyn: You mean for this violation? http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=2&q=http://slashdot.org/features/00/05/01/0047219.shtml&e=9797 They should have stopped distribution immediately. |
| 11:54.45 | asuffield | Kevin`: umm, anything that has adduser? |
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| 11:54.56 | EdLin | Dwonis: sounds like "any government endorsed by China is hereby People's Democracy" |
| 11:55.08 | asuffield | 'standard feature' is a pretty null term |
| 11:55.09 | Kevin` | root@kevinl:/storage/src# adduser kevin nogroup |
| 11:55.09 | Kevin` | - User 'kevin' already exists; please choose another |
| 11:55.33 | asuffield | goodness knows what that is |
| 11:55.35 | adii | it's ok thanks |
| 11:55.39 | adii | with usermod -G |
| 11:55.40 | EdLin | Dwonis: of course, that depends on your definition of democracy. ;-) |
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| 11:55.51 | Kevin` | asuffield slackware |
| 11:56.01 | asuffield | oh bleh, slack's just buggy |
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| 11:56.09 | Kevin` | hehe |
| 11:56.37 | Dwonis | EdLin: Another topic could be: Fire debian-legal and replace them with Christian Marillat (no offence to CM intended). |
| 11:56.44 | brt | asuffield: but whats the best setting when using a hardware raid5 ? |
| 11:56.47 | Kevin` | ah adduser is a perl script.. and a nice one |
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| 11:57.05 | asuffield | brt: not a relevant piece of information |
| 11:57.24 | Aim_Here | Maybe we can introduce CM as debian-illegal |
| 11:57.31 | EdLin | Dwonis: I think they shut down his original server |
| 11:57.54 | Dwonis | EdLin: Is his stuff actually illegal in France (or wherever he's based)? |
| 11:58.06 | asuffield | french law is INSANE. nobody's really sure. |
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| 11:58.21 | Greek-Boy | my apt-get is all messed up. its complaining of dependancy problems and a whole lot of stuff. can someone help me? |
| 11:58.23 | Aim_Here | I imagine the dvdcca bits of mplayer and whatnot probably are these days |
| 11:58.25 | EdLin | Dwonis: I don't know, but I've noted that his server is only available from Chzec mirror and some .net mirror. |
| 11:58.30 | EdLin | Czech |
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| 11:58.44 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: You'll have to be more specific. |
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| 11:58.55 | EdLin | Forgive me, it's about 7AM in EST |
| 11:58.56 | asuffield | the french government is fascist though, so I wouldn't bet on it |
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| 11:59.01 | Greek-Boy | Dwonis: can u join #paste? |
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| 11:59.03 | Greek-Boy | pls |
| 11:59.05 | EdLin | !u |
| 11:59.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:59.14 | Kevin` | hehe |
| 11:59.28 | Dwonis | !ne1 |
| 11:59.28 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 11:59.41 | veleno | what 'dfsg' stands for, in the name of the firefox package ? |
| 11:59.49 | Dwonis | LOL |
| 11:59.49 | Kevin` | in gnome, the lower bar that shows open programs isn't working - it's blank. any suggestions? |
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| 11:59.54 | SimonRaven | !dfsg |
| 11:59.55 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 12:00.09 | brt | asuffield: its a dell server with 5hd's (á72GB-10K) on a megaraidcontroller as one logical drive and it seems i cant write more than 5MB/s :(? |
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| 12:00.18 | takatumi | Dwonis: 23:13:31 ne1 | there is a nick ne1 now |
| 12:00.23 | SimonRaven | means any dfsg non-free stuff was pulled from it |
| 12:00.32 | takatumi | so don't hilight him. |
| 12:00.35 | asuffield | brt: not going to have anything to do with the IO elevator |
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| 12:00.56 | Aim_Here | ne1 should just be a bot that says 'I DON'T BLEEDING KNOW' whenever anyone asks him stuff |
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| 12:01.18 | Dwonis | takatumi: heh |
| 12:01.25 | sifi | how can I list the functions of binaries in: /sbin/ /bin/ /usr/local/bin/ /usr/local/sbin/ /usr/bin/ /usr/sbin/ ? It goes a bit slow to do man vi, man mkdir, man chmod etc |
| 12:01.26 | brt | asuffield: any idea what might be the problem? |
| 12:01.31 | asuffield | no |
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| 12:01.41 | bbrazil | sifi: appros? |
| 12:01.44 | Kevin` | anyone? gnome? |
| 12:02.02 | sifi | bbrazil, how? |
| 12:02.12 | dutchfish | i have a large usb connected disk (over 400 G), what file system can i use to have read/write access in Debian & windows XP? |
| 12:02.17 | Dwonis | sifi: for i in /sbin/* /bin/* /usr/local/bin/* /usr/local/sbin/* /usr/bin/* /usr/sbin/* ; do $i --help ; done |
| 12:02.20 | EdLin | SimonRaven: I just installed vrms (Virtual RMS) and found out I'd only installed three non-free packages, slime and it's server, and sun Java |
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| 12:02.24 | Greek-Boy | Dwonis: http://pastebin.com/468871 |
| 12:02.25 | Dwonis | sifi: (Don't actually run that, it was a joke) |
| 12:02.28 | sifi | Dwonis, fat32 |
| 12:02.29 | bbrazil | sifi: whatis /bin/* |
| 12:02.43 | FlycKER | [qerter]: i download the last version of debian stable, install the basic install and when the lilo (or grub) loading the system, my screen get black... (but the system is loading...) ... someone can help me? |
| 12:02.44 | Kevin` | Dwonis that might be rather unsafe, not all binaries have --help |
| 12:02.47 | SimonRaven | EdLin: heh |
| 12:02.51 | FlycKER | question: i download the last version of debian stable, install the basic install and when the lilo (or grub) loading the system, my screen get black... (but the system is loading...) ... someone can help me? |
| 12:02.57 | SimonRaven | apropos |
| 12:02.58 | Dwonis | Kevin`: That's why I said it was a joke. |
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| 12:03.02 | Greek-Boy | Dwonis: The problem started happening after I did apt-get remove perl which removed a lot of packages. I made a big mistake :( |
| 12:03.03 | dutchfish | as far as i know fa32 cant adress 400G in one partition |
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| 12:03.19 | takatumi | FlycKER: using framebuffer? |
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| 12:03.31 | fishdish | i've got a thunderbird proble, or actually it's a friend who is trying to return his lost emails from cache |
| 12:03.42 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: I'd download the perl package and install it manually via "dpkg -i --force-depends" |
| 12:03.52 | fishdish | is there a component that does this thing for us automagically |
| 12:03.55 | FlycKER | [takatumi]: i dont no... i cant find in the install who to edit the "lilo.conf" file to see this... |
| 12:03.55 | Greek-Boy | i tried that already |
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| 12:04.15 | jon_kare | http://pastebin.com/468874 - do I need a new disk or a new controller? |
| 12:04.15 | Greek-Boy | but its complaining about webmin stuff |
| 12:04.19 | sifi | bbrazil, I get "nothing appropriate" for the binaries |
| 12:04.20 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: Did "apt-get remove" let you remove the perl package?? |
| 12:04.30 | takatumi | FlycKER: the default is grub, that's probably what you are using, check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:04.33 | fishdish | we have the entire email cache in one big text body... |
| 12:05.05 | sifi | bbrazil, I would have it like the apt-cache search, a binary - description |
| 12:05.12 | bbrazil | sifi: cd into the dir |
| 12:05.18 | sifi | bbrazil, yes |
| 12:05.19 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: Again, can you post details? |
| 12:05.22 | FlycKER | [takatumi]: i allready try both... i can edit this file in install? |
| 12:05.33 | sifi | bbrazil, and then? |
| 12:05.37 | bbrazil | sifi: whatis * |
| 12:05.41 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: "webmin stuff" isn't terribly helpful |
| 12:05.44 | Dwonis | !* |
| 12:05.44 | Greek-Boy | i did apt-get remove perl which wasn't the perl package. it removed a whole lot of stuff i think |
| 12:05.45 | dpkg | somebody said * was ms*ft |
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| 12:06.00 | sifi | bbrazil, ah, there we got it =), thx |
| 12:06.07 | Greek-Boy | <Greek-Boy> Dwonis: http://pastebin.com/468871 |
| 12:06.44 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: ok, you didn't do what I said. I'll try to be more specific |
| 12:07.26 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: Download the .deb package from the repository (e.g. wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl_5.8.4-8_i386.deb) |
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| 12:07.48 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: Then run dpkg -i --force-depends perl_5.8.4-8_i386.deb |
| 12:08.01 | ggl_6 | hi, how do I see the cached kernel messages? |
| 12:08.02 | Greek-Boy | mail:/downloads# dpkg -i --force-depends perl_5.8.4-8_i386.deb |
| 12:08.06 | Greek-Boy | i already did that |
| 12:08.15 | Greek-Boy | same result whenever i try to install a package |
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| 12:08.24 | Octavian | gug |
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| 12:08.41 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
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| 12:08.58 | seeds | hello |
| 12:09.16 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: NEVER remove perl |
| 12:09.20 | [Bart] | hi seeds |
| 12:09.22 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: You couldn't haev the *same* results. The results you posted were from apt-get; dpkg didn't even run. Could you post the results of the dpkg command? |
| 12:09.24 | seeds | upon booting i get that message open sock hardware not found |
| 12:09.24 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: try apt-get -f install |
| 12:09.31 | seeds | hello Bart |
| 12:09.34 | ggl_6 | oh there it is, kern.log |
| 12:09.49 | seeds | and the bootup process stops |
| 12:10.01 | Greek-Boy | yip |
| 12:10.04 | Greek-Boy | posting it now |
| 12:10.09 | Dwonis | Guerin: That might work, but it might also try to remove nearly every package on the system :) |
| 12:10.33 | Guerin | Dwonis: hence no -y |
| 12:10.55 | Dwonis | Guerin: Right, but it still wouldn't *help*, if that's what it wants to do. |
| 12:11.10 | Greek-Boy | http://pastebin.com/468879 |
| 12:11.20 | Dwonis | Guerin: (i.e. I'm assuming Greek-Boy tried apt-get -f install already) |
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| 12:11.40 | Greek-Boy | yes i did |
| 12:11.49 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: why did you remove p[erl anyway? |
| 12:11.53 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: ok, I see...perl installed fine, but the system's still hosed. |
| 12:12.04 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: Can you post the output of "dpkg -l" ? |
| 12:13.02 | Greek-Boy | screen can't fit all the output |
| 12:13.06 | Greek-Boy | how do I save it to a file? |
| 12:13.07 | Dwonis | wtf. Perl is listed as "standard", not "essential"! |
| 12:13.16 | Greek-Boy | sorry but i'm a newb |
| 12:13.20 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: |less |
| 12:13.27 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: or > file |
| 12:13.33 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 12:13.34 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: you may also want 2>&1 |
| 12:14.00 | Greek-Boy | i uninstalled perl coz i initially had a installation by hand and deleted it |
| 12:14.05 | Greek-Boy | then i was told to reinstall perl |
| 12:14.06 | seeds | how do i fix that open sock hardware not found error when booting? |
| 12:14.17 | Greek-Boy | but i made a mistake by wanting to uninstall it and then install |
| 12:14.18 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: Next time, use apt-get install --reinstall perl |
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| 12:14.22 | Greek-Boy | i should have just reinstalled |
| 12:14.23 | Greek-Boy | yes |
| 12:15.10 | EdLin | !pal Greek-Boy |
| 12:15.17 | goron | How do I request a static ip-address from the DHCP server with dhclient? |
| 12:15.57 | Guerin | goron: if you want a particular IP, don't use dhclient. Just set your interface to use that IP. |
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| 12:16.16 | Eclipser | assuming your network admin allows that |
| 12:16.16 | asuffield | goron: DHCP does not work like that |
| 12:16.31 | tarzeau | http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/english/pres.html tomorrow marcus brinkmann talks on gnu/hurd on irc.uninet.edu #linux |
| 12:16.33 | Guerin | Eclipser: if the IP address is available, you can claim it |
| 12:16.34 | resiak | goron: Depending on your DHCP server, you might be able to set it to always assign a certain IP address to a certain MAC. |
| 12:16.36 | goron | Guerin: But somehow the computer have to communicate with the router, right? |
| 12:16.42 | Dwonis | goron: You might be able to set up dhclient to request a particular address. The server would be allowed to reject your request, of course. |
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| 12:16.48 | baxxter | good morning all. I am having a problem with a debian style kernel install: Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool. Googling just tells me to install yaird (in 6 different languages), which is installed. |
| 12:16.50 | Guerin | hell, even if it's NOT available, you can claim it, it'll just cause merry havoc |
| 12:16.56 | asuffield | Dwonis: you can't. DHCP can't do that |
| 12:16.56 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 12:17.04 | baxxter | is this a known problem / is there a know solution you guys could point me towards? thanks =) |
| 12:17.05 | Eclipser | I once used a not available IP |
| 12:17.09 | EdLin | baxxter: /topic |
| 12:17.11 | Eclipser | someone's windows box didn't like it :p |
| 12:17.14 | asuffield | you give your MAC address to the server. it sends you back an IP address |
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| 12:17.25 | asuffield | most servers will give you the same one each time, if they can |
| 12:17.46 | Guerin | man interfaces |
| 12:17.54 | Guerin | set up a static IP and route |
| 12:17.57 | asuffield | (or can be explicitly configured to send you a static address) |
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| 12:17.59 | Guerin | see if it works. |
| 12:18.23 | Guerin | if you want to know which address, do a dhcp request first |
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| 12:19.16 | goron | Guerin: How does this machine tell the router that it wants e.g. 192.168.2.105? |
| 12:19.16 | Dwonis | asuffield: Are you sure you can't? I'm pretty sure you can send a DHCPREQUEST for any address, the assumption being that you've received a DHCPOFFER for it sometime before. |
| 12:19.22 | Greek-Boy | Dwonis: http://pastebin.com/468886 |
| 12:19.27 | goron | Guerin: I know I can put it in interfaces. |
| 12:19.30 | Guerin | goron: needn't |
| 12:19.43 | Dwonis | asuffield: and then there's DHCPINFORM |
| 12:19.45 | Aim_Here | goron, it doesn't. |
| 12:20.09 | Aim_Here | goron, Debian doesn't ask for that ip, it just takes. |
| 12:20.13 | Guerin | goron: the only danger with this method is that the dhcp server might not realise that address is assigned, and may assign it to another client |
| 12:20.23 | goron | Guerin: Ok, so you are saying that I drop the whole DHCP thing, and add "static" with a few lines and then I still have internet access? |
| 12:20.27 | Guerin | goron: but I'm not sure on that end. |
| 12:20.30 | Guerin | goron: yes. |
| 12:20.37 | goron | Guerin: great, thanks |
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| 12:21.28 | signius | you can set IP address via DHCP via MAC address |
| 12:21.48 | bbrazil | signius: thats server side though |
| 12:21.54 | signius | yes |
| 12:21.56 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: ok, it looks like you have all the basic perl packages you need. Have you tried "apt-get -f install" ? |
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| 12:22.15 | Greek-Boy | yes i have tried that |
| 12:22.17 | tarzeau | someone know what lanaguage "ankare" could be, something from northeurope, and its translation? |
| 12:22.57 | baxxter | EdLin, thanks |
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| 12:23.03 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: and? |
| 12:23.05 | Guerin | tarzeau: ankare is swedish for 'anchor', iirc |
| 12:23.16 | Greek-Boy | Dwonis: http://pastebin.com/468888 |
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| 12:23.41 | EdLin | baxxter: np |
| 12:23.41 | tarzeau | Guerin: thanks |
| 12:23.47 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 12:23.47 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 12:24.51 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: ls -l /usr/share/perl/5.8.4/strict.pm /usr/share/perl/5.8/strict.pm |
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| 12:26.15 | Greek-Boy | ls: /usr/share/perl/5.8.4/strict.pm: No such file or directory |
| 12:26.15 | Greek-Boy | ls: /usr/share/perl/5.8/strict.pm: No such file or directory |
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| 12:26.45 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: ok, I think I'm starting to understand. |
| 12:27.03 | binks | hi can anyone tell me how to install gutenprint the latest ver as i need it to print to printable cds |
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| 12:27.18 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: What you did with the perl package, (dpkg -i ...), do it with perl-modules and perl-base as well. |
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| 12:27.36 | binks | it shows in synaptic as installed but gimp dont see it |
| 12:27.57 | Greek-Boy | i already did it with perl-modules, i'll get perl-base now |
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| 12:28.28 | aphexer | i'm trying to install my 3d driver which is closed-source. when doing modprobe powervr i get alot of unresolved symbols like create_proc_entry_Rsmp_c9aa57a7, __get_free_pages_Rsmp_4784e424 and try_inc_mod_count_Rsmp_e6105b23 and so on... what can i do to fix it? |
| 12:28.33 | s^3_0 | does anyone know a program which chooses a number of files from a larger set of files to backup to dvd ? |
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| 12:29.21 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: So, if I understand correctly, you tried to install perl via some tarball (or rpm?), and then you removed it, which hosed the perl packages? |
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| 12:30.18 | valdyn | aphexer: which driver is that? |
| 12:30.42 | Greek-Boy | i installed it via a tarball but i was advised against it and then i decided to uninstall but 'make uninstall' wouldn't work. So instead I used rm -r and removed the dir that i was told to remove |
| 12:30.48 | nepali | does anyone have generic conexant's modem driver |
| 12:30.57 | Greek-Boy | then i decided to reinstall perl but i made a mistake |
| 12:30.58 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 12:31.05 | Greek-Boy | a terrible mistake :( |
| 12:31.25 | aphexer | valdyn: it's named powervr, for the kyro chipsets of guilemot |
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| 12:31.50 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: ah, yeah. The mistake was installing via tarball in the first place. Frankly, the best way to fix it *is* to remove the dir and reinstall the package, but I'd probably try to do that manually from a live CD like Knoppix, to prevent this kind of thing. |
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| 12:32.26 | Greek-Boy | hmmm |
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| 12:32.37 | Aim_Here | mess with perl at your peril |
| 12:32.42 | Greek-Boy | what about apt-get install --reinstall perl? |
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| 12:32.55 | Greek-Boy | shouldn't I have just done that? |
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| 12:33.03 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: If it works, then yeah. |
| 12:33.06 | ramy | I want to install Xen on debian sid. I found that the kernel-patch-xen package is for kernel 2.6.11 , but only 2.6.12 kernel is available. any hints ? |
| 12:33.10 | valdyn | !powervr |
| 12:33.22 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 12:33.23 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 12:33.31 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: That won't always work when you hose things though (like if you remove /lib/ld-linux.so.2) |
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| 12:34.18 | nepali | can anyone help me with driver for generic conexant modem |
| 12:34.31 | valdyn | aphexer: looks to me like you installed a precompiled binary that is meant for a different kernel than yours |
| 12:35.07 | valdyn | aphexer: im not sure who gave you the idea that this driver has no source available |
| 12:35.14 | aphexer | valdyn: they only provide a binary version (well only some files are binary, the rest is compiled on my system, and the result is the module which fails to load) |
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| 12:35.24 | valdyn | aphexer: i see |
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| 12:35.37 | cyzie | hi all, anybody have a quick howto for sendmail ? i would like to setup a mailserver. thx |
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| 12:36.07 | dutchfish | i was hoping somone has expirience with Captive in Debian... does it really work? |
| 12:36.07 | laurens_ | greetings |
| 12:36.09 | Greek-Boy | ok, it seems like apt-get -f install fixed things now |
| 12:36.25 | Greek-Boy | what about perl libraries? should i use apt-get to install those too? |
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| 12:36.30 | aphexer | valdyn: what wsa the "!powervr" for? some bot here? |
| 12:36.32 | aphexer | was* |
| 12:36.36 | laurens_ | Greek-Boy: remember to sacrifice three virgins and a goat to apt-niggurath |
| 12:36.42 | laurens_ | else it will not fix your issues next time |
| 12:36.56 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: What directory did you end up deleting? |
| 12:37.33 | Greek-Boy | i can't remember. some perl dirs that the perl guys told me to rm. the ones that the tarball created |
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| 12:37.52 | docterm | hey, i got a problem, when i try to open bygfoot i get the following error;" Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:' how to fix th? |
| 12:37.54 | laurens_ | Greek-Boy: do you have a shrine of your own? if not you can borrow mine |
| 12:38.03 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 12:38.05 | valdyn | aphexer: you a) compiled for a different kernel than you are running or b) that driver does not support your kernel |
| 12:38.05 | laurens_ | docterm: running as root? |
| 12:38.11 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: /usr/share/perl ? /usr/lib/perl? |
| 12:38.15 | docterm | yes |
| 12:38.29 | laurens_ | docterm: that's typical for some app trying to run as a user that the session doesn't belong to |
| 12:38.37 | laurens_ | docterm: don't run apps as root, infidel |
| 12:38.41 | laurens_ | docterm: sudo it instead |
| 12:38.47 | valdyn | aphexer: and i can already tell that this driver is using a retarded way to look up kernel source and might only support 2.4 kernels |
| 12:38.53 | docterm | ok i'll try |
| 12:38.59 | Greek-Boy | Dwonis: yeah that looks familiar |
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| 12:39.07 | Greek-Boy | but now i did a which perl |
| 12:39.19 | Greek-Boy | and i get /usr/bin/perl |
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| 12:39.31 | aphexer | valdyn: it does indeed only support 2.4 |
| 12:39.38 | Greek-Boy | mail:/# whereis perl |
| 12:39.38 | Greek-Boy | perl: /usr/bin/perl /etc/perl /usr/lib/perl /usr/share/perl /usr/share/man/man1/perl.1.gz |
| 12:39.40 | Greek-Boy | that too |
| 12:39.46 | Greek-Boy | looks good? |
| 12:39.48 | laurens_ | Greek-Boy: You're mocking the Black APT Process with a thousand forks, aren't you? |
| 12:39.52 | aphexer | valdyn: i'm running 2.4.27, isn't that the latest stable version debian offers? so it should work |
| 12:40.00 | nepali | hey where is my feeble voice disappearing |
| 12:40.06 | laurens_ | one of these days.. you'll run dpkg.. |
| 12:40.07 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: If you know the directory (let's say it's /usr/share/perl), you can run something like this: apt-get install --reinstall $( dpkg -S /usr/share/perl /usr/lib/perl /etc/perl | cut -d: -f1 | sed -e 's/,//g' ) |
| 12:40.09 | valdyn | aphexer: i dont know if you are compiling against the proper headers |
| 12:40.10 | laurens_ | and you will see her curse |
| 12:40.13 | laurens_ | Segfault |
| 12:40.24 | aphexer | valdyn: the driver itself works for all recent 2.4 kernels, it works for slackware for example |
| 12:40.28 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: To reinstall every installed package that has something in any of those dirs |
| 12:40.37 | aphexer | valdyn, i'll check the header thing :) |
| 12:40.49 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: This could *still* miss some stuff, but it hopefully won't. |
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| 12:41.08 | valdyn | aphexer: its looking blindly in /usr/src/linux or /usr/src/linux-$(uname -r) |
| 12:41.10 | docterm | hanks laurens, that did the trick |
| 12:41.16 | docterm | thanks |
| 12:41.53 | aphexer | valdyn: what should it use? /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686 ? |
| 12:41.59 | valdyn | aphexer: so you want to install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and make sure that any of the above paths link to it |
| 12:42.10 | Greek-Boy | thanks Dwonis |
| 12:42.10 | valdyn | aphexer: that is what the uname -r saves you thinking about |
| 12:42.19 | Greek-Boy | hopefully everything else on the system is intact coz this is a mail sever |
| 12:42.22 | Greek-Boy | server even |
| 12:42.22 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 12:42.29 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: No problem; Glad I could help. |
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| 12:42.55 | valdyn | aphexer: you didnt tell me the uname -r output so i cant tell |
| 12:42.57 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: Also, next time you are told to delete a directory, you might just want to *move* it somewhere instead... until you're sure you don't need it. |
| 12:43.11 | Greek-Boy | i've also installed php by hand coz if i use the package some programs couldn't recognize that it was on the system |
| 12:43.28 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: that's a fucked way to go about doing things |
| 12:43.29 | aphexer | valdyn: what would be the "new" way to check for the kernel headers? only debian keeps them in /usr/src/kernel-headers-... so how should a script find out what dir to use? |
| 12:43.38 | Dwonis | Greek-Boy: For that, my guess is you could have just run "ln -s /usr/bin/php /usr/local/bin/php" |
| 12:43.40 | valdyn | Greek-Boy: or would you buy a new card if the door does not open? |
| 12:43.45 | aphexer | valdyn: uname -r gives 2.4.27-2-686 :) |
| 12:43.47 | valdyn | s/card/car/ |
| 12:43.58 | valdyn | aphexer: right |
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| 12:44.35 | Aim_Here | Thankfully eradicating php won't kill apt |
| 12:44.47 | Dwonis | Aim_Here: Unless you rely on webmin |
| 12:44.53 | valdyn | ..which is to bad for the learning experience =/ |
| 12:45.00 | Aim_Here | oooh, point taken |
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| 12:45.15 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 12:45.37 | aphexer | valdyn: btw i think debian itself made the link linux -> kernel-source-2.4.27, why would it let it point to 2.4.27, when i'm running 2.4.27-2-686? |
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| 12:45.57 | Aim_Here | Greek-Boy, if bash doesn't do what you want it to do, please, don't, under any circumstances, try installing it by hand |
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| 12:46.06 | valdyn | aphexer: your kernel headers can be looked up distro agnostic via /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 12:46.15 | valdyn | aphexer: but that is relatively new |
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| 12:46.22 | Dwonis | Aim_Here: apt-get remove ld-linux libc6 |
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| 12:47.00 | Dwonis | Aim_Here: s/ld-linux// |
| 12:47.02 | jobezone | #debian-devel |
| 12:47.07 | aimtrainer | hi! I installed java 1.5 ans still have the problem that I can start the nfo viewer from the java control panel but not from console |
| 12:47.08 | aimtrainer | aimtrainer@1[~]$ java -jar jnfoviewer.jar |
| 12:47.08 | aimtrainer | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/jnlp/SingleInstanceListener |
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| 12:47.14 | Dwonis | Aim_Here: I was thinking of the old ldso package |
| 12:47.14 | sdakota | hi |
| 12:47.25 | aimtrainer | does anybody have an idea? |
| 12:47.30 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 12:47.31 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of three-legged oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 12:47.33 | sdakota | PHP says that the mysql extension isn't loaded, though php4-mysql is installed - what do I do ? |
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| 12:48.03 | aphexer | valdyn: heh w00t compiled against the right headers and now it loads :) thanks |
| 12:48.11 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: I assume you've done the make-jpkg thing and installed the resulting package? |
| 12:48.20 | aimtrainer | yap |
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| 12:48.35 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Try update-alternatives --config java again. |
| 12:48.40 | aimtrainer | ok |
| 12:48.48 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: You might just want to remove all your old java 1.4 packages. |
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| 12:49.02 | aimtrainer | all? not just the 60 mb one? |
| 12:49.16 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: all the ones that are *not* Java 1.5 |
| 12:49.24 | aimtrainer | ok |
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| 12:50.20 | [M]erk | Hello all. I have never used debian before, and I would like to either try 'sid' or 'etch.' I was wondering how unstable 'sid' really is. I would like to have a system that dosen't still have crusty and old software, but I don't want all my dependencies to just break spontaneously. I would greatly appreciate anyone's advice. |
| 12:50.23 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Debian allows you to install multiple versions of some packages (including Java), and uses "alternatives" to decide which one owns stuff like /usr/bin/java |
| 12:50.34 | Dwonis | update-alternatives lets you change that settings |
| 12:50.41 | valdyn | aphexer: that link made by debian is wrong as long as you did not either build and use a new kernel from that source or configure that source with a config matching your currently running kernel |
| 12:50.57 | Dwonis | !alternatives |
| 12:50.57 | dpkg | alternatives is probably the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
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| 12:51.21 | amilcarv | I have installed a mail server ising this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier and everything seeme to work fine, apart from the pop3 client, I get password invalid when trying to receive the email, but from the console I can see the test emails are there, is there anything i am missing? |
| 12:51.21 | aimtrainer | ah |
| 12:51.51 | aimtrainer | aimtrainer@1[~]$ update-alternatives --config java |
| 12:51.51 | aimtrainer | There is only 1 program which provides java |
| 12:51.51 | aimtrainer | (/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/bin/java). Nothing to configure. |
| 12:52.07 | aimtrainer | couse I already have uninstalled the 1.4... |
| 12:52.13 | aimtrainer | err cause |
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| 12:53.26 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: ah... ok, my guess it it can't find "jnlp", whatever that is |
| 12:53.32 | aimtrainer | But Dwonis are you sure it does not work due to the version -It did work with java 1.4 when starting from the control panel |
| 12:53.39 | aabeli | Hello, i make mistake and deleted all my files from my system, partition is ReiserFS, is there possible to recovery files back..? |
| 12:54.41 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: I assumed that you installed Java 1.5, but not using java-package, because of the "Unsupported version 49.0" error you were getting. That might not have been a correct assumption. |
| 12:54.46 | valdyn | aabeli: no |
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| 12:55.17 | aimtrainer | I had installed the java package before Dwonis |
| 12:55.37 | aimtrainer | and then I installed the deb package |
| 12:55.57 | TobiX | Hi |
| 12:55.59 | valdyn | aabeli: if its important data you should umount that partition at once |
| 12:56.21 | valdyn | aabeli: and grep for content, if its important and you can pay, you should ask a capable consultant.. |
| 12:56.29 | aphexer | valdyn: i might have run that other kernel for a while long time ago, but since then i installed a new kernel with apt-get... shouldn't that link get updated automaticaly? |
| 12:56.51 | TobiX | Why are there new packages in stable? Where is the announcement? |
| 12:56.52 | valdyn | aphexer: nah, that link is probably made by you, isnt it? |
| 12:57.07 | aphexer | it's group owned by "src", i would never do that |
| 12:57.44 | olorin | TobiX: there are not new packages, just security & bugs updates |
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| 12:58.03 | aphexer | valdyn: does debian require that link? otherwise i'll just remove it |
| 12:58.22 | valdyn | aphexer: no, debian does not, moronic out of tree drivers do. |
| 12:58.31 | aphexer | ok |
| 12:58.48 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: ok, you know what, I think I was totally wrong. :( |
| 12:58.51 | TobiX | olorin: I was a little bit concerned because they don't come from security.debian.org, but the regular mirror network without the announcement of a new point release... |
| 12:58.53 | aphexer | gonna restart X now and test my 3d driver :) thanks again, bye |
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| 12:59.21 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Java is looking for "javax/jnlp/SingleInstanceListener" |
| 12:59.39 | aimtrainer | so what do I have to do about it? |
| 13:00.00 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: or... wait. |
| 13:00.07 | rvsjoen | rkhunter is mailing me this warning every day: WARNING, found: /dev/.udevdb (directory) /dev/.udev (directory) /dev/.static (directory) <- is it something I should worry about ? |
| 13:00.17 | olorin | TobiX: security update is different from bugs fixes i think |
| 13:00.24 | valdyn | TobiX: there shouldnt be new packages |
| 13:01.01 | TobiX | Currently there are vim, gzip, pdns, fam, squirrelmail... |
| 13:01.03 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: ls -l /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar |
| 13:01.04 | valdyn | TobiX: unless sarge was updated ( to something like 3.1r1 instead of the current 3.1r0a ) |
| 13:01.14 | aimtrainer | k |
| 13:01.25 | TobiX | That was my reasoning exactly... |
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| 13:02.27 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: SingleInstanceListener is in /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar, so that jar file has to be in your classpath |
| 13:02.31 | aimtrainer | Dwonis aimtrainer@1[~]$ ls -l /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar |
| 13:02.31 | aimtrainer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 859751 2005-12-18 13:30 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar |
| 13:02.42 | TobiX | rvsjoen: If you use udev, no |
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| 13:03.28 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Unfortunately, I don't know that much about Java. |
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| 13:04.11 | aimtrainer | whats my class path? Dwonis |
| 13:04.22 | aimtrainer | I'm sorry for having no clue ... |
| 13:04.25 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: It's the list of places that Java looks for classes |
| 13:04.55 | aimtrainer | how do I find out which pathes are in it? |
| 13:04.59 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: I suspect that the java control panel is doing some additional setup that your command-line tool isn't. |
| 13:05.23 | valdyn | aimtrainer: did you just copy that file there? |
| 13:05.31 | aimtrainer | no |
| 13:05.41 | aimtrainer | I did not copy it anywhere yet |
| 13:06.14 | Dwonis | anybody know how to find out the default classpath for Java? |
| 13:06.17 | blondie | echo $CLASSPATH |
| 13:06.33 | valdyn | blondie: umm no |
| 13:06.38 | blondie | no? |
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| 13:07.15 | Haukkari | Could anyone here tell me why it's a bad idea to chmod 700 /etc/passwd? |
| 13:07.17 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: The instructions for this app you're running. Does it tell you how to run it from the command-line? |
| 13:07.49 | aimtrainer | yea it sais: 2. From a command prompt type: |
| 13:07.49 | aimtrainer | java -jar jnfoviewer.jar |
| 13:07.56 | aimtrainer | wait Ill give you the link |
| 13:08.04 | aimtrainer | http://www.dsnine.co.uk/~gary/projects/nfoviewer/ |
| 13:08.31 | valdyn | aimtrainer: java -cp /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar infoviewer.jar |
| 13:08.44 | valdyn | aimtrainer: java -cp /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar -jar infoviewer.jar |
| 13:08.55 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: I just downloaded it. |
| 13:09.12 | aimtrainer | aimtrainer@1[~]$ java -cp /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar -jar infoviewer.jar |
| 13:09.12 | aimtrainer | Unable to access jarfile infoviewer.jar |
| 13:09.21 | blondie | Haukkari: users won't be able to login at all |
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| 13:09.40 | Haukkari | blondie: yeah, thanks. :) |
| 13:09.51 | blondie | Haukkari: also 7 = executable and silly anyway :P |
| 13:10.03 | Haukkari | blondie: yeah, well, just a bad example. Anyways, I got what I was looking for |
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| 13:10.18 | Greek-Boy | howcome php5 is not available as a debian package? |
| 13:10.18 | Haukkari | blondie: thanks. :) |
| 13:10.19 | blondie | it should be 644 |
| 13:10.25 | Haukkari | blondie: it is. |
| 13:10.26 | blondie | Greek-Boy: it's not stable |
| 13:10.27 | blondie | ;p |
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| 13:10.53 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 13:11.00 | Greek-Boy | mail:/usr/bin# which php |
| 13:11.03 | cyzie | how guys, how do i stop a process from loading during system bootup? |
| 13:11.08 | cyzie | hi guys, how do i stop a process from loading during system bootup? |
| 13:11.09 | azeem | Greek-Boy: it not in sarge, but in testing and unstable |
| 13:11.17 | blondie | use php4 if you have sarge |
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| 13:11.24 | azeem | cyzie: check update-rc.d |
| 13:11.43 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 13:11.55 | Greek-Boy | whats the basic system config utilty with debian |
| 13:11.59 | Greek-Boy | i forgot what it was |
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| 13:12.05 | azeem | Greek-Boy: there is none |
| 13:12.10 | Greek-Boy | u can change the hostname of the machine, etc |
| 13:12.15 | azeem | oh |
| 13:12.17 | azeem | base-config |
| 13:12.21 | Greek-Boy | yeah thats it |
| 13:12.23 | Greek-Boy | :) |
| 13:12.30 | cyzie | azeem, can i rm the file in /etc/rcx.d/ where x is 0-6 ?? |
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| 13:12.39 | aimtrainer | aimtrainer@1[~]$ java -cp /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar -jar /home/aimtrainer/Desktop/infoviewer.jar |
| 13:12.46 | aimtrainer | oups |
| 13:12.54 | olorin | cyzie: .... NO ! |
| 13:13.03 | azeem | cyzie: you should rather use update-rc.d for that, to make sure your changes are kept intact over upgrades |
| 13:13.17 | cyzie | olorin, okay. thanks for advice, so i must use update-rc.d as what azeem mentioned, right?> |
| 13:13.27 | cyzie | azeem, thank you :) |
| 13:13.31 | olorin | cyzie: yes |
| 13:13.55 | cyzie | olorin, ty as well :) |
| 13:14.19 | cyzie | anybody have a quick howto mta ? i would like to setup a mailserver. thx |
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| 13:14.38 | valdyn | aimtrainer: probably need to add a ':.' to that classpath given with -cp |
| 13:14.42 | Greek-Boy | where do u config webmin? |
| 13:14.48 | aimtrainer | it was misspelled |
| 13:14.54 | aimtrainer | jnfo not info |
| 13:14.57 | Greek-Boy | /etc/webmin ? |
| 13:15.02 | aimtrainer | now I get the same erroe again |
| 13:15.03 | aimtrainer | aimtrainer@1[~]$ java -cp /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar -jar jnfoviewer.jar |
| 13:15.03 | aimtrainer | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/jnlp/SingleInstanceListener |
| 13:15.37 | valdyn | aimtrainer: so this class is not in jawaws.jar anyway |
| 13:15.53 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Do you know for sure that running "java -jar jnfoviewer.jar" actually works for *anyone* with the version of jnfoviewer that you have? |
| 13:15.55 | aimtrainer | I dont quite understand where I have to add the :. |
| 13:16.00 | olorin | aimtrainer: try java -cp /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/ -jar jnfoviewer.jar |
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| 13:16.26 | valdyn | aimtrainer: nm that, you dont have to, i only thought it was needed to find jnfoviewer.jar, obviously that is not so. |
| 13:16.35 | aimtrainer | same error 8*( |
| 13:16.41 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: It looks to me like the jnfoviewer/Main class is making calls to jnlp code... and I think only code that gets run from Java Web Start is supposed to do that (but I'm no Java expert, so...) |
| 13:17.15 | aimtrainer | hm.. |
| 13:17.33 | valdyn | aimtrainer: you can browse java class at java.sun.com |
| 13:17.42 | valdyn | s/class/classes/ |
| 13:17.57 | aimtrainer | ok thanks |
| 13:18.20 | aimtrainer | I m afraid it wont run -maybe I find another nfo viewer |
| 13:18.30 | aimtrainer | thanks for your help! |
| 13:18.36 | blondie | nfo viewer? |
| 13:18.59 | aimtrainer | a programm which views the nfo files created by rls crews |
| 13:19.09 | blondie | erm |
| 13:19.14 | blondie | nfo files are just plaintext |
| 13:19.17 | aimtrainer | you can view them with kate or whatever but they look better in an nfo viewer |
| 13:19.23 | blondie | BS |
| 13:19.27 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: I think the app is broken. |
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| 13:19.36 | Yp3rite | Hi here someone can Help me about a Problem on XML SCHEMA ? |
| 13:19.39 | blondie | aimtrainer: if you use a fixed width font they are fine |
| 13:19.42 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: Incidentally, you can run it with /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/bin/java -Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar:/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/deploy.jar -jar jnfoviewer.jar |
| 13:19.45 | blondie | PEBKAC |
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| 13:20.25 | aimtrainer | Dwonis I dont believe it you got it!!! |
| 13:20.33 | aimtrainer | yay thanks! |
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| 13:20.47 | blondie | aimtrainer: why do you need warez if you're running linux? |
| 13:21.04 | tarzeau | blondie: linux doesn't have all software |
| 13:21.05 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: I've reduced it: java -Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/javaws.jar -jar /tmp/jnfoviewer.jar |
| 13:21.43 | aimtrainer | blondie I need music |
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| 13:21.46 | blondie | anyway, thinking that you need some kind of special viewer for .nfo files is just retarded |
| 13:21.50 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: feel free to lambast the guy who wrote this software for lying about being able to run it. |
| 13:22.04 | Greek-Boy | when using base-config to set the hostname of the debian server should i set just the hostname or the domain too. For eg, hostname.domain or just hostname? |
| 13:22.05 | aimtrainer | ^^ |
| 13:22.26 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:22.26 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
| 13:22.33 | aimtrainer | the short version doesnt work for me |
| 13:22.37 | aimtrainer | but what ever |
| 13:22.42 | aimtrainer | the long one is fine |
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| 13:22.55 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: oh... in the short version, remove /tmp/ |
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| 13:23.09 | Dwonis | aimtrainer: That's just how *I* was running it (because the jar file is in /tmp on my machine) |
| 13:23.26 | aimtrainer | ah k |
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| 13:23.57 | nono31 | anyone ussing amd64 arch? my mozilla flash plugin is not working since I upgraded to mozilla 1.5... I'm using chroot... But mozilla-flashplayer plugin works fine on a non-64 bits platform... what's the problem?? |
| 13:24.09 | cheal | nono31: #debian-amd64 |
| 13:24.11 | tarzeau | nono31: yes. use 32bit |
| 13:24.14 | abrotman | nono31: pure64 ? |
| 13:24.23 | abrotman | oh nm |
| 13:24.32 | Greek-Boy | when using base-config to set the hostname of the debian server should i set just the hostname or the domain too. For eg, hostname.domain or just hostname? |
| 13:24.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: here you are! |
| 13:24.33 | Dwonis | blondie / aimtrainer: I figured this out by running the Java Web Start (javaws) version, then running ps wwwww to guess what it does, then stripping out command-line options until it failed. :) |
| 13:24.39 | nono31 | abrotman: yeap |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar store ? |
| 13:24.48 | tarzeau | 02:34 < abrotman> tarzeau: tell us about kfreebsd! |
| 13:24.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. someone was asking about it |
| 13:24.57 | Dwonis | !kfreebsd |
| 13:25.03 | nono31 | abrotman: just use chroot to run 32 bits apps |
| 13:25.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha, bad taste party www.schoo.ch and women |
| 13:25.05 | cheal | hey, it's tarzeau and abrotman! |
| 13:25.06 | nightrain- | !kfreebsd |
| 13:25.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: guitar is in the corner, it's snowing like crazy since two days, you don't wanna go outside, guitar will freeze |
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| 13:25.38 | Dwonis | nightrain-, dpkg must be (Reading database ... |
| 13:25.38 | tarzeau | cheal: hey, let's play #bub-n-bros http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 13:26.01 | cheal | tarzeau: sorry, I don't have that much time. I'll have 2 free weeks in 2 days |
| 13:26.18 | tarzeau | cheal: going abroad? holidays? marrying? |
| 13:26.37 | cheal | tarzeau: just normal american holidays |
| 13:26.46 | aimtrainer | Dwonis omg respect :) |
| 13:26.50 | tarzeau | cheal: i have no idea what american holidays are like... |
| 13:26.58 | tarzeau | cheal: i know american cars are big enough... |
| 13:27.00 | Dwonis | tarzeau: http://www.dlitz.net/software/pong/ beats that out any day. :) |
| 13:27.17 | cheal | tarzeau: well, there are some holidays surrounding christmas and the new year day |
| 13:27.42 | Dwonis | !shameless plug |
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| 13:30.39 | TobiX | Hmm, the new packages in stable look like 3.1r1 - but there was no announcement... |
| 13:32.38 | cheal | TobiX: what are you referring to? |
| 13:33.15 | TobiX | I got new packages through stable - I was wondering what they were... |
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| 13:33.54 | abrotman | TobiX: are you sure you didn't change your sources ? |
| 13:33.56 | cheal | hum, what do you think they can be? |
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| 13:34.16 | TobiX | abrotman: Yes, I'm sure |
| 13:34.27 | cheal | !gnome 2.12 |
| 13:34.29 | dpkg | hmm... gnome 2.12 is see http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-09-13-19-26 |
| 13:34.33 | TobiX | But I see: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/12/msg00088.html, so... |
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| 13:35.10 | cheal | dpkg: no, gnome 2.12 is currently in experimental, or http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-12-15-14-19 |
| 13:35.10 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
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| 13:40.07 | abrotman | TobiX: guess you're right .. |
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| 13:42.34 | crschmidt | I'd like to change Postfix to rotate logs weekly instead of daily, but I can't find anywhere that log rotation is set, or how to change it. |
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| 13:42.56 | crschmidt | Postfix doesn't seem to have any entries in /etc/logrotate.d/, and I can't find anything in main.cf about it |
| 13:43.17 | TobiX | crschmidt: Maybe a cron job in /etc/cron.daily? |
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| 13:44.01 | abrotman | crschmidt: /etc/logrotate.d/ ? |
| 13:44.02 | abrotman | doh! |
| 13:44.06 | crschmidt | TobiX: not unless it's stuck in some random file: the logrotate in there doesn't call postfix, and postfix doesn't have its own file |
| 13:44.25 | abrotman | crschmidt: i believe there's a 'default' somewhere in the logrotate stuff |
| 13:44.38 | crschmidt | yep |
| 13:44.40 | crschmidt | that's et to weekly |
| 13:44.53 | crschmidt | it's in /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 13:45.38 | abrotman | crschmidt: what's the name of the postfix log ? |
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| 13:46.50 | crschmidt | /var/log/mail.log |
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| 13:48.31 | abrotman | crschmidt: did you try making a new entry ? |
| 13:49.03 | crschmidt | in logrotate.d? No |
| 13:49.14 | crschmidt | I don't want it rotating daily and weekly :) |
| 13:49.14 | abrotman | well .. why not?! |
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| 13:49.31 | crschmidt | Presumably, something other than logrotate is rotating them now |
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| 13:49.47 | crschmidt | given that there's no evidence in any of logrotate's folders that it knows anything about postfix |
| 13:49.53 | ArtVandalae | When I df -h I get a tmpfs, I'm wondering what is this used for? |
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| 13:50.09 | crschmidt | ArtVandalae: what's the mountpoint for it? |
| 13:50.17 | ArtVandalae | ./dev/shm |
| 13:50.18 | crschmidt | is it at all informative? |
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| 13:50.50 | blondie | OMG |
| 13:50.58 | crschmidt | " 2) glibc 2.2 and above expects tmpfs to be mounted at /dev/shm for |
| 13:50.58 | crschmidt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.04 | crschmidt | -- http://www.luci.org/luci-discuss/200204/msg00015.html |
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| 13:52.10 | amilcarv | is possible to remove all the packges I have installed in my server and only leave the base system? |
| 13:52.18 | abrotman | crschmidt: syslog.conf ? |
| 13:52.29 | amilcarv | cause I was on unstable, and want to go to stable, and remove all the packs I had |
| 13:52.44 | abrotman | or not |
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| 13:53.05 | olorin | amilcarv: it will be difficult ... |
| 13:53.34 | abrotman | crschmidt: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd .. |
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| 13:54.05 | crschmidt | abrotman: that only rotates files in sysylogd-listfiles |
| 13:54.11 | crschmidt | which /var/mail.log isn't |
| 13:55.09 | abrotman | crschmidt: does it rotate your err and info logs daily too ? |
| 13:55.33 | crschmidt | abrotman: it appears so |
| 13:56.00 | abrotman | crschmidt: sysylogd-listfiles --all |
| 13:56.52 | crschmidt | hm |
| 13:57.00 | crschmidt | but the cron.daily line doesn't use that... |
| 13:57.23 | abrotman | i know .. |
| 13:57.28 | abrotman | that's the weird part :) |
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| 14:02.52 | crschmidt | abrotman: i just ran /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
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| 14:03.01 | crschmidt | after adding an echo in the log roation section |
| 14:03.01 | blondie | abrotman: are you ever not on irc? ;p |
| 14:03.03 | crschmidt | and it didn't rotate |
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| 14:03.10 | crschmidt | the mail logs |
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| 14:03.44 | NyteRukh | morning |
| 14:04.11 | abrotman | blondie: yep .. |
| 14:04.19 | myr | Hi everybody |
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| 14:04.22 | blondie | :O |
| 14:04.27 | abrotman | crschmidt: but you're sure it's rotating daily .. and not based on size ? |
| 14:04.38 | myr | I've got a problem with apt-get and the mldonkey-server package |
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| 14:04.50 | blondie | donkeys! asses! |
| 14:04.59 | myr | I tried to delete it with apt-get remove but there's been a bug |
| 14:05.01 | myr | Fatal error: exception Failure("lexing: empty token") |
| 14:05.01 | myr | Unable to parse option to set |
| 14:05.02 | myr | Last word seen : = |
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| 14:05.52 | NyteRukh | lol |
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| 14:09.08 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:09.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 14:09.48 | lewis | is there anything special I need to do to upgrade from sarge to a sarge 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:09.59 | tarzeau | lewis: no |
| 14:10.15 | lewis | do I just install the kernel-image? |
| 14:10.25 | bobesponja | lewis: yes |
| 14:10.31 | tarzeau | lewis: yes |
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| 14:10.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:10.35 | dpkg | from memory, qotd142 is <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
| 14:10.47 | lewis | appreciated. |
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| 14:12.24 | abrotman | lewis: what's your CPU ? |
| 14:12.31 | pepsi_ | how do I check what deb-dist I'm using? |
| 14:12.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: so do i |
| 14:12.38 | abrotman | pepsi_: check your sources ... |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | or your lic6 vresion |
| 14:12.44 | pepsi_ | abrotman: thx |
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| 14:12.53 | harley|afk | when will irssi 0.8.10 be in the apt-get servers? it has turned stable.. |
| 14:13.03 | lewis | abrotman: dual AMD Athlon MP |
| 14:13.05 | tarzeau | harley|afk: ask the maintainer |
| 14:13.18 | harley|afk | :) ok |
| 14:13.21 | lewis | abrotman: I was looking at kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp |
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| 14:13.25 | abrotman | lewis: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp |
| 14:13.30 | lewis | :) |
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| 14:13.36 | abrotman | damn .. and i typed it all out :) |
| 14:13.38 | moi | hey, i've tried to install grub without success. now i wonder if its possible to get the kernel onto floppys to boot from?! anyone an idea? |
| 14:13.54 | sifi | pepsi_, cat /debian_version buts that just for debian |
| 14:14.02 | sifi | pepsi_, I wonder how to? |
| 14:14.30 | abrotman | you mean /etc/debian_version ? |
| 14:14.47 | sifi | abrotman, yes, but how do I check the dist? |
| 14:14.49 | pepsi_ | /etc/debian_version worked nicely :] |
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| 14:15.09 | abrotman | sifi: you mean like debian or ubuntu ? |
| 14:15.15 | kpanic | hey, how can I *manually* remove a package? it is in very bad inconsistante state |
| 14:15.15 | sifi | abrotman, yes |
| 14:15.29 | abrotman | sifi: libc6 might be one way |
| 14:15.57 | sifi | abrotman, how with libc6? |
| 14:16.25 | abrotman | sifi: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:16.27 | streuner | knusper:/tmp# dpkg -S /usr/bin/savelog |
| 14:16.27 | streuner | debianutils: /usr/bin/savelog |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | ii libc6 2.3.5-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 14:17.22 | kpanic | I mean I have to remove entries from /var/lib/dpkg/{available,status}? |
| 14:17.29 | sifi | abrotman, that output: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone I want to print "Debian GNU/Linux" if im on debian |
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| 14:18.14 | abrotman | sifi: don't think you can |
| 14:18.20 | abrotman | i've never seen it |
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| 14:18.35 | abrotman | if there is one i mean |
| 14:18.36 | sifi | abrotman, ok, would be nice |
| 14:18.40 | lewis | abrotman: silly question - how can I tell whether the aforementioned kernel image will support my onboard NIC? (Intel 82550 or something) |
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| 14:19.17 | abrotman | lewis: that's probably e100 or e1000 |
| 14:19.22 | Coweater | sifi: on a default install /etc/issue will say it |
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| 14:20.08 | lewis | abrotman: I am doing a remote upgrade, and wondering whether I will encounter problems upon reboot (i.e. network card not found) |
| 14:20.24 | sifi | abrotman, cat /etc/issue |
| 14:20.30 | abrotman | lewis: well .. hopefully not |
| 14:20.42 | lewis | :) |
| 14:20.46 | abrotman | sifi: i suppose .. though i can make that say anything |
| 14:21.01 | Boil | will amaroK 1.3 work with KDE 3.3.2 ? |
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| 14:22.29 | adii | how to add a dns server ? |
| 14:22.30 | moi | hey, i've tried to install grub without success. now i wonder if its possible to get the kernel onto floppys to boot from?! anyone an idea? |
| 14:22.39 | abrotman | adii: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 14:23.13 | abrotman | crschmidt: streuner found the answer! |
| 14:23.17 | FromTO | does anyone know where I can find info on settimg up a wireless card. It is built in Atheros card. anyone knows |
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| 14:23.31 | adii | thanks |
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| 14:24.27 | TobiX | sifi: Avahi checks some files in its configure script to check which distribution it is run on: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1302 |
| 14:24.51 | crschmidt | abrotman: hm? |
| 14:24.56 | takatumi | FromTO: madwifi |
| 14:24.58 | abrotman | crschmidt: mail.log |
| 14:25.32 | crschmidt | abrotman: What is the answer? I don't see it |
| 14:25.34 | abrotman | or so he said anyways! |
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| 14:25.42 | jono | hi all |
| 14:25.45 | abrotman | crschmidt: streuner said it's got something to do with savelog |
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| 14:26.04 | FromTO | takatumi: I installed madwifi, /etc/networking restart says sit0: unknown hardware address type 776; eth1: unknown hardware address type 24 |
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| 14:26.10 | jono | is there a way I can installa single file from a package? I hqave deleted a kernel module and need to restore it from the package, but I don't want to install the entire kernel? |
| 14:26.18 | streuner | crschmidt: those log-files are rotated by savelog (part of debianutils) |
| 14:26.23 | crschmidt | abrotman: savelog is just a file that actually moves the log |
| 14:26.28 | crschmidt | it still needs to get called by something |
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| 14:26.35 | abrotman | crschmidt: dunno .. ask streuner |
| 14:26.36 | streuner | crschmidt: initited by /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 14:26.37 | crschmidt | and nothing is calling savelog on mail.log |
| 14:26.49 | crschmidt | streuner: right. sysklogd doesn't move /var/log/mail.log |
| 14:26.50 | jvw | jono: dpkg -x the .deb file into a temp dir |
| 14:26.57 | abrotman | streuner: yeah .. but the cron.daily doesn't rotate mail.log |
| 14:26.59 | crschmidt | it only moves the syslog file |
| 14:27.00 | streuner | crschmidt: take a look into /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd again |
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| 14:27.05 | crschmidt | I am. |
| 14:27.09 | takatumi | FromTO: what does 'ip a' say? |
| 14:27.16 | crschmidt | Not only that, I ran it with debug echos |
| 14:27.17 | jvw | jono: it's maybe still in your /var/cache/apt, or otherwise, get it via packages.debian.org |
| 14:27.31 | abrotman | streuner: which part of the cron.daily do you think does it ? |
| 14:27.38 | Mawrick | Hi!, anyone happen to have any idea why I can't connect to a local proftp server I sat up ? (I used ftpshut on it yeasterday, and it gives a 500 - FTP Server shutdown when I try to connect |
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| 14:27.56 | crschmidt | streuner: for LOG in `syslogd-listfiles` -- syslogd-listfiles doesn't include /var/log/mail.log |
| 14:28.01 | Mawrick | (if I ssh to the debian box that have the surver running it says it's up...:( |
| 14:28.02 | streuner | abrotman: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd refers to any log-files in /var/log/... |
| 14:28.11 | abrotman | streuner: not quite |
| 14:28.14 | crschmidt | streuner: where? |
| 14:28.20 | abrotman | not mine anyways |
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| 14:29.35 | crschmidt | streuner: http://paste.lisp.org/display/14786 |
| 14:29.35 | takatumi | FromTO: it's probably ath0, tweak you /etc/network/interfaces accordingly. |
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| 14:31.24 | streuner | crschmidt: ls -l /usr/bin/savelog |
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| 14:31.37 | Mawrick | Anyone know how I could restart the proftpd then ? (thought proftpd -restart would do it...... |
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| 14:32.12 | crschmidt | streuner: I'm not sure I understand what that's supposed to tell me |
| 14:32.19 | streuner | crschmidt: i cannot unterstand why it wouldn't 'touch' /var/log/mail.log then... |
| 14:32.33 | abrotman | streuner: why do you think it would ? |
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| 14:33.17 | streuner | abrotman: because that file /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd would 'touch' every file with .log in /var/log ... |
| 14:33.27 | crschmidt | That's the part you have wrong |
| 14:33.34 | crschmidt | "for LOG in `syslogd-listfiles`" |
| 14:33.37 | abrotman | streuner: no .. read it again .. it says yeah .. that |
| 14:33.40 | streuner | yes |
| 14:33.53 | abrotman | shark_: syslogd-listfiles: command not found |
| 14:33.55 | crschmidt | "run the command `syslogd-listfiles`. This outputs "/var/log/syslog". Now, run "savelog on that file" |
| 14:34.01 | abrotman | doh! |
| 14:34.01 | Kahr | to install my customized kernel, i'm told i need a initramfs-tools or yaird, how do i get these when "apt-get install" says they are unavailable? (also, i've heard yaird's recently been broke) |
| 14:34.02 | crschmidt | abrotman: it's in sbin |
| 14:34.07 | abrotman | i realize that now :) |
| 14:34.11 | crschmidt | abrotman: /usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles |
| 14:34.16 | crschmidt | k |
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| 14:34.19 | bbrazil | crschmidt: are you in /var/log? |
| 14:34.30 | crschmidt | bbrazil: doesn't make a difference |
| 14:34.33 | FromTO | takatumi: I will look at madwifi.org thanks |
| 14:34.37 | crschmidt | (I tried being in there and not being in there) |
| 14:34.53 | crschmidt | and being root and not being root |
| 14:35.19 | crschmidt | and, like I said, i actually *ran* the script, and it doesn't move the files |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | streuner: so given that syslogd-listfiles returns only one file .. how does it rotate the mail.log ? (apparently daily) |
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| 14:35.38 | streuner | crschmidt: grep -i mail /etc/syslog.conf |
| 14:35.44 | harley | anyone know how to get a bar on the right hand side of irssi showing the users...? |
| 14:36.01 | abrotman | streuner: we know that's there .. but how does it rotate the log |
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| 14:37.13 | streuner | crschmidt: over /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd using savelog and syslogd-listfiles (default config file = /etc/syslog.conf) |
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| 14:37.45 | ways | hi everyone |
| 14:37.55 | crschmidt | streuner: you're clearly not understanding what I am saying. `syslogd-listfiles` on my system DOES NOT OUTPUT /var/log/mail.log |
| 14:37.58 | crschmidt | and that file IS BEING ROTATED |
| 14:38.19 | TNKS | Hi. there seems to be some contention between mime-specification with mailcap, and specification with the freedesktop's shared-mime-info. |
| 14:38.26 | streuner | crschmidt: show us your /etc/syslog.conf |
| 14:38.41 | TNKS | Does anybody know if there's any way to integrate these better? |
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| 14:39.12 | ways | anyone willing to answer a few of my questions? |
| 14:39.20 | abrotman | justask |
| 14:39.24 | ways | ok |
| 14:39.35 | crschmidt | simple. |
| 14:39.50 | rootnoverify | hi all :) does anybody know of a good popupblocker for firefox, freeware..? cause firefox's popup blocker doesn't block all popups.. |
| 14:40.01 | ways | is there some sort of file with debian that can save my settings if i want to format and install a fresh OS |
| 14:40.04 | crschmidt | syslogd-listfiles --weekly outputs /var/log/mail.log. This is run by cron.weekly in the sysklogd cron. |
| 14:40.08 | Eulex | rootnoverify, adblock? |
| 14:40.22 | rootnoverify | Eulex: I'll have a look, thx |
| 14:40.23 | Gnea | crschmidt: so edit the weekly cron file. simple. |
| 14:40.30 | abrotman | crschmidt: but i understand! :) |
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| 14:40.50 | Eulex | ways, backup /etc and your dot-files. |
| 14:40.50 | abrotman | Gnea: no .. you're not getting it .. the file is seemingly rotated daily .. he'd like it not to be |
| 14:41.00 | ways | dot files? |
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| 14:41.08 | markitoxs | hi everyone |
| 14:41.12 | crschmidt | Gnea: The file is rotated daily. I want it rotated weekly. I can not figure out why it is rotated daily. It is not rotated by any obvious cron.daily script. |
| 14:41.14 | ways | and will this create a lot of problems |
| 14:41.19 | Eulex | ways, files beginning with a dot in your home dir |
| 14:41.20 | Gnea | abrotman: so he just needs to edit the daily cron file, same thing, different directory. duh. |
| 14:41.25 | ways | ok ty |
| 14:41.32 | abrotman | Gnea: no .. try again :) |
| 14:41.34 | crschmidt | Gnea: THE DAILY CRON FILE DOESN"T ROTATE THE FUCKING LOG AHIOGHWEIOTHIOSEFNBIOSNEGIOBHO |
| 14:41.42 | crschmidt | Sorry. |
| 14:41.42 | streuner | crschmidt: with this env. its NOT that wired... |
| 14:41.43 | markitoxs | does anyone know how i can rename the sections under debian menu? maybe it's just an xml file... |
| 14:41.44 | Gnea | crschmidt: shut your hole. |
| 14:41.44 | crschmidt | I'm better now. |
| 14:41.51 | crschmidt | Good plan. |
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| 14:41.56 | Gnea | much better |
| 14:42.11 | abrotman | Gnea: no .. he's right .. check /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd .. it doesn't rotate mail.log |
| 14:42.11 | Eulex | ways, /etc and your dot-files contain your settings. |
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| 14:42.22 | Kahr | Question: in order to have my root filesystem be mounted ext3 (one filesystem for setup), do I need to have an initrd? |
| 14:42.30 | shadewind | what should i download if i want do do a network install of debian unstable? |
| 14:42.37 | streuner | abrotman: of course it does |
| 14:42.40 | ways | cheers |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | streuner: NO IT DOES'T |
| 14:42.48 | abrotman | err doesn't |
| 14:42.51 | abrotman | streuner: show me where it does it |
| 14:42.52 | goccia | system-specific logs in /etc/logrotate.conf ? |
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| 14:43.08 | streuner | not for /var/log/mail.log |
| 14:43.16 | Eulex | Kahr, either an initrd or have ext3 support compiled statically (not as a module) |
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| 14:43.21 | Gnea | abrotman: all he had to do was paste the syslog.conf like you said |
| 14:43.21 | abrotman | streuner: what ? |
| 14:43.28 | takatumi | shadewind: you could try a daily-build iso, it is still not guaranteed to work. |
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| 14:43.36 | abrotman | Gnea: that just says which files .. not how they're rotated |
| 14:43.38 | Kahr | shadewind: change the apt sources.list to have unstable instead of stable |
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| 14:44.01 | shadewind | Kahr: isn't there a way to install with unstable from the beginning? |
| 14:44.12 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah but he obviously doesn't know that |
| 14:44.23 | Eulex | shadewind, you install stable, then you dist-upgrade to unstable. |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | Gnea: he didn't say anything about it .. streuner did |
| 14:44.24 | Whisky_ | I did what dpkg told me to do for the installation of Java but it still isnt installed :( |
| 14:44.37 | shadewind | Eulex: allright |
| 14:44.45 | stew | Whisky_: how far did you get? did you make a .deb? did you "dpkg -i " it? |
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| 14:44.57 | abrotman | Gnea: if you check the logrotate.* and /etc/cron.daily/* .. it shows no reason why the mail.log would be rotated daily |
| 14:45.02 | Whisky_ | stew, Yeah, that got installed too. Still doesnt work :( |
| 14:45.09 | Kahr | Eulex, that sounds like a very stable way to get to unstable, |
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| 14:45.26 | Gnea | abrotman: it doesn't matter, it's the only file that references mail.log specifically in /etc which means that something else envelopes it in a catch-all on a daily basis. |
| 14:45.41 | abrotman | Gnea: right .. because a command could never be used ... |
| 14:45.44 | Eulex | Kahr, doing a netinstall of unstable is insane. |
| 14:45.52 | mith | what |
| 14:45.53 | abrotman | Gnea: syslogd-listfiles --all |
| 14:46.11 | stew | Whisky_: update-alternatives --config java ; and also for mozilla-javaplugin.so |
| 14:46.19 | Gnea | abrotman: that's right. |
| 14:46.29 | abrotman | Gnea: but it's not used in cron.daily |
| 14:46.30 | Gnea | abrotman: so, yes, there is the reference in sysklogd |
| 14:46.33 | abrotman | that command isn't |
| 14:46.35 | Gnea | abrotman: yes, yes it is. |
| 14:46.39 | abrotman | Gnea: NO |
| 14:46.42 | Gnea | YES |
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| 14:46.46 | Gnea | on my system, it is. |
| 14:46.49 | Gnea | in fact |
| 14:46.50 | Stereo | hello folks |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | find it .. in /etc/cron.daily .. just exactly as i typed it |
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| 14:47.02 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 14:47.07 | Gnea | abrotman: it's in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 14:47.12 | Stereo | how can I know what contrib/non-free packages I have on my system? |
| 14:47.18 | abrotman | on my etch system .. it uses `syslogd-listfiles` .. but not with the --all .. which makes a big difference |
| 14:47.20 | Gnea | plain as day |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | no shit sherlock |
| 14:47.29 | Gnea | oh wow |
| 14:47.30 | abrotman | but not with --all |
| 14:47.32 | Gnea | well etch sucks :) |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | Gnea: let me paste that file |
| 14:47.45 | Whisky_ | stew, #flood |
| 14:47.45 | Gnea | i'm using sid and sarge :P |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | on sarge it doesn't have it either |
| 14:48.00 | Gnea | i don't fuck with that etch crap |
| 14:48.03 | citral | for LOG in `syslogd-listfiles --auth` is right |
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| 14:48.13 | Gnea | citral: that's only the second half |
| 14:48.19 | abrotman | but it's not an auth file either |
| 14:48.37 | abrotman | so it's NOWHERE in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 14:48.45 | Gnea | syslogd-listfiles -a | grep mail | wc -l |
| 14:48.45 | Gnea | 4 |
| 14:48.55 | Kahr | Eulex, to have a statically compiled ext3 module, it's "y" instead of "m", and then "make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot clean binary-arch" all over again? |
| 14:48.55 | citral | the first being for LOG in `syslogd-listfiles`, not --all |
| 14:49.01 | Gnea | abrotman: on etch |
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| 14:49.10 | Gnea | abrotman: but in sid and sarge, it *IS* |
| 14:49.38 | abrotman | Gnea: duh .. but the /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd doesn't call it |
| 14:49.52 | Gnea | now this is odd. |
| 14:49.55 | Gnea | abrotman: hold on |
| 14:49.56 | abrotman | Gnea: http://pastebin.ca/34059 .. is mine |
| 14:49.56 | Eulex | Kahr, yep. |
| 14:49.58 | Whisky_ | oh well, brb |
| 14:50.00 | harley | anyone know how to get a bar on the right hand side of irssi showing the users...? |
| 14:50.33 | Kahr | thanks, off to kill my battery life with a kernel compile |
| 14:50.37 | blondie | harley: you really want 551 users listed? |
| 14:50.39 | abrotman | Gnea: and a sarge system i just checked .. has it the same way |
| 14:50.42 | harley | yes |
| 14:50.52 | blondie | harley: why? |
| 14:51.01 | harley | i need it for smaller chans.. |
| 14:51.01 | blondie | it would take up the whole screen |
| 14:51.08 | blondie | nah |
| 14:51.15 | blondie | just type /names |
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| 14:51.23 | Eulex | Kahr, without an initrd, you'll need support for your ide chipset compiled in too. |
| 14:51.41 | Gnea | abrotman: you're right |
| 14:51.49 | Gnea | abrotman: i'm farting too loud in teh channel |
| 14:51.53 | blondie | harley: or try #irssi :P |
| 14:51.58 | Gnea | ;) |
| 14:52.02 | abrotman | Gnea: too bad you told the guy off and he ran away :) |
| 14:52.02 | harley | i mean like a list, like this... http://www.irssi.org/themefiles/madcow.png |
| 14:52.12 | adii | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.27 | Gnea | abrotman: he shouted at me and got all offensive over a fucking shell script, fuck him :) |
| 14:52.30 | abrotman | Gnea: so i win the prize? .. even though we still don't know the answer :) |
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| 14:52.48 | Gnea | abrotman: oh i'm working on the answer ;) |
| 14:53.02 | abrotman | Gnea: perhaps invite the guy back :) |
| 14:53.11 | Kahr | Eulex, in which general area of the kernel configuration options would i find that in? |
| 14:53.29 | Gnea | abrotman: syslogd-listfiles --weekly |
| 14:53.31 | Eulex | Kahr, device drivers, I think. |
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| 14:53.41 | Aim_Here | adii, something like route add default gw 192.168.100.1 |
| 14:53.44 | abrotman | Gnea: but that's not in the cron.daily file |
| 14:53.46 | Gnea | abrotman: syslogd-listfiles --weekly | grep mail |
| 14:53.53 | streuner | Gnea: rm /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd - DONE :-) |
| 14:53.56 | Gnea | abrotman: it is in cron.weekly |
| 14:54.02 | abrotman | streuner: you evil bastard! |
| 14:54.05 | streuner | hehe |
| 14:54.07 | Gnea | streuner: ROFL |
| 14:54.10 | abrotman | Gnea: but his maillog was getting rotatted daily :) |
| 14:54.17 | Aim_Here | adii, or edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:54.18 | Gnea | oh |
| 14:54.54 | abrotman | Gnea: now you're just as confused as he was :) |
| 14:54.57 | Gnea | abrotman: well then he went and fucking editted it himself |
| 14:55.02 | abrotman | maybe |
| 14:55.09 | Gnea | that's the ONLY logical explanation. |
| 14:55.28 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 14:55.37 | Gnea | i mean, yeah, the guy's a moron |
| 14:55.46 | Gnea | so that's plausible too |
| 14:55.50 | Gnea | ;) |
| 14:56.06 | Gnea | but that doesn't help anyone |
| 14:56.12 | streuner | Gnea: whois crschmidt.net |
| 14:56.15 | streuner | ... |
| 14:56.19 | Gnea | streuner: way ahead of ya |
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| 14:56.33 | abrotman | streuner: and ? |
| 14:56.40 | adii | Aim_Here, okay thanks |
| 14:56.42 | streuner | he should be able to edit it by himself |
| 14:57.21 | Gnea | streuner: my guess is that he did edit it, smoked some crack, destroyed the brain cells that stored the memory of the file being editted, and then went on a rampage here |
| 14:57.23 | abrotman | who the fuck is that ? |
| 14:57.28 | macsim | hi, openoffice2 is very very slow, any tips for boost it ? |
| 14:57.36 | abrotman | macsim: buy a supercomputer! |
| 14:57.42 | Kahr | Eulex, you are correct, it's the ata/atapi/mfm/rll section, |
| 14:57.49 | abrotman | Gnea: streuner : who is that ? |
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| 14:57.59 | citral | macsim: try removing the java part |
| 14:58.08 | Aim_Here | macsim use abiword and gnumeric instead |
| 14:58.09 | macsim | abrotman, for using a writer it's a shame |
| 14:58.11 | Gnea | abrotman: dunno, maybe someone i went to high school with lol |
| 14:58.15 | streuner | abrotman: prolly someone who study(ied) in Cambrigde ? :-) |
| 14:58.21 | citral | even better yeah, abiword ! |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | Gnea: huh ? |
| 14:58.36 | Gnea | streuner: naw, he lives on a regular street, he could be anybody ;) |
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| 14:59.05 | streuner | Gnea: a random guess, of course he could doing something else |
| 14:59.34 | macsim | Aim_Here, I want openoffice, but it run very well when it's started, but it takes 5 minutes mini for starting, I got 1,6 Ghz with 512 Mb |
| 14:59.37 | Gnea | streuner: well he obviously recognized that he was getting out of hand and took appropriate measures |
| 14:59.57 | abrotman | i blame Gnea for not reading backscroll :) |
| 14:59.57 | jsmidt | is there an application that can convert a .pdf to a .doc. |
| 15:00.06 | Gnea | abrotman: stfu ;) |
| 15:00.14 | abrotman | !win me |
| 15:00.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:00.33 | abrotman | jsmidt: there should be some string of conversions to do it |
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| 15:02.26 | macsim | wow without java is 3 sec :) (why using openoffice java ?) |
| 15:02.31 | Gnea | well i just invited the guy back |
| 15:02.39 | jsmidt | where do I learn about these conversions? |
| 15:02.45 | abrotman | Gnea: now .. be polite this time :) |
| 15:02.48 | macsim | citral, thanks ;) |
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| 15:03.01 | Gnea | abrotman: whatever :) |
| 15:03.13 | citral | np |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | jsmidt: they're usually named like ps2pdf or pdf2ps .. or ps2binarygarbage |
| 15:03.59 | Kahr | after properly un-modularizing kernel options, i'm now off to kill my battery life with a kernel complie |
| 15:03.59 | jsmidt | thanks abrotman |
| 15:04.03 | Gnea | abrotman: nevermind, he's being a schmoe |
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| 15:04.19 | abrotman | Gnea: did he reply to you ? |
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| 15:04.47 | somePriest | Is it possible to run a Stable Debian OS with the latest packages, without screwing up the package manager sometime down th road? apt-pinning and installing from source is not recommended is it? |
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| 15:05.23 | odal | !info seamonkey experimental |
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| 15:05.34 | citral | somePriest: the "latest" packages are never stable... the os can still be in itself |
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| 15:05.58 | odal | somePriest, backports.org |
| 15:06.08 | citral | somePriest: nothing prevents you to compile mplayer and ffmpeg yourself |
| 15:06.16 | odal | somePriest, that's your best bet...but you can still screw things up |
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| 15:07.08 | Kahr | in reference to the checkinstall package, is the only way to obtain a newer version of checkinstall to build it myself? |
| 15:07.34 | Gnea | oh |
| 15:07.37 | goccia | i've heard of a sarge 3.1r1 coming : is it true ? |
| 15:07.38 | odal | seamonkey |
| 15:07.46 | Gnea | crschmidt: welcome back |
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| 15:08.46 | Gnea | crschmidt: grep syslogd-listfiles /etc/cron.daily/* <-- how many results does that make? |
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| 15:08.52 | abrotman | two! |
| 15:08.56 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:09.00 | jcurry | is there any way to generate a debian package from a loki installer .run file? |
| 15:09.09 | somePriest | citral, "the "latest" packages are never stable" I understand. Sometimes the individual package managers call their package standard long before it arrives in Debian's stable tree (ie: MySQL 5.0, and 4.1 before it) |
| 15:09.12 | abrotman | how many Gneas in #d are crazy!?! |
| 15:09.23 | Gnea | abrotman: your mom. |
| 15:09.37 | abrotman | she's not a Gnea .. but yeah .. she's crazy :) |
| 15:09.43 | Gnea | ;) |
| 15:09.50 | somePriest | citral, s/standard/stable/ |
| 15:09.58 | crschmidt | Gnea: 5. 2 of them are commented out. 1 is --auth, one is test -x, and one is the for LOG IN syslog-listfiles that we already established |
| 15:10.03 | citral | somePriest: but etch is very stable for a desktop and has relative new packages. |
| 15:10.14 | crschmidt | again, http://paste.lisp.org/display/14786 for the sysklogd cron.daily script |
| 15:10.20 | prp | hello, i am tring to do a simple job... i have an office network 10-20 computers and a server used as gateway/mail server, workstations are windows xp, on the server i want a web page, that will show me the computers on the network and keep logs about uptime/network traffic, can someone point me to a simple documentation about it.. i can't find anything to suite my need.. i know about snmp buti need documentation for newbies about it.. any help ? |
| 15:10.26 | citral | somePriest: it's always compromise... |
| 15:10.42 | somePriest | citral, I was thinking things like Gaim, MySQL, etc. Gaim for example breaks every so often when MSN changes server side. |
| 15:10.43 | Gnea | i didn't see that the first time around. checking. |
| 15:10.56 | abrotman | !mrtg |
| 15:10.56 | dpkg | [mrtg] old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ |
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| 15:11.25 | bbrazil | prp: mrtg, smokeping |
| 15:11.32 | Gnea | crschmidt: ok, now let me make sure we're on the same page here - you do NOT want mail.* files to be rotated daily, only weekly? |
| 15:11.37 | crschmidt | right. |
| 15:11.44 | bluestorm | i have a problem with the network configuration |
| 15:11.50 | bluestorm | could someone help me ? |
| 15:11.56 | citral | somePriest: that's why I use irc, even for private convs instead ;) |
| 15:11.57 | Gnea | okay, now what is leading you to believe that they are, supposedly, being rotated daily? |
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| 15:12.06 | bbrazil | crschmidt: what I did was to disable the cronjobs and just use logrotate |
| 15:12.08 | Aim_Here | We don't know, bluestorm |
| 15:12.08 | abrotman | ls -l /var/log/mail* |
| 15:12.12 | prp | bbrazilL: any simple documentation about them.. a howto on how to setup the network.. ? (winxp stations need a snmp daemon too i think) |
| 15:12.18 | bluestorm | k Aim_Here |
| 15:12.21 | crschmidt | At 6:30 every morning, mail.log is moved to mail.log.0 |
| 15:12.28 | crschmidt | and mail.log.0 is moved to mail.log.1.gz |
| 15:12.28 | somePriest | citral, I prefer MSN too, but most of my friends don't. |
| 15:12.30 | streuner | mine too |
| 15:12.32 | Aim_Here | Try asking the question first |
| 15:12.34 | bbrazil | prp: I don't have a clue there I'm afrid, but mrtg website has a lot of links to guides etc. |
| 15:12.34 | bluestorm | i'm trying to have the ipw2200 working |
| 15:12.45 | bluestorm | i compiled a recent kernel |
| 15:12.45 | Gnea | crschmidt: that's very interesting. do your timestamps reflect this? |
| 15:12.45 | somePriest | citral, Doh, IRC I meant. |
| 15:12.48 | crschmidt | Gnea: this is based on `head` of the mail logs. |
| 15:12.49 | crschmidt | yes. |
| 15:12.51 | somePriest | citral, I prefer IRC. |
| 15:12.52 | bluestorm | installed some modules |
| 15:12.53 | bluestorm | but |
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| 15:13.01 | citral | somePriest: yeah yeah got it |
| 15:13.02 | crschmidt | The timestamps are why I know it's at 6:30 |
| 15:13.08 | Gnea | crschmidt: please post the contents of ls -l /var/log/ somewhere. |
| 15:13.13 | somePriest | citral, Granted, I like something with webcam support too. |
| 15:13.19 | bluestorm | debian just don't see eth0 (the wireless device) and eth1 (the ethernet device) |
| 15:13.38 | bluestorm | (ethernet don't work either) |
| 15:13.44 | crschmidt | Gnea: http://crschmidt.net/tmp/log |
| 15:13.46 | blondie | bluestorm: "doesn't" |
| 15:14.04 | odal | bluestorm, are they are in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 15:14.21 | abrotman | is indeed every day :) |
| 15:14.22 | crschmidt | Gnea: I guess it's sometimes as late as 6:33, sorry bout not being specific |
| 15:14.33 | jsmidt | Ubuntu is trying to make Synaptic so that you can view screenshots of a package and view user ratings. Will that feature be transfered back to debian and implimented? |
| 15:14.39 | Gnea | crschmidt: that's fine, larger files sometimes take a little longer to compress |
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| 15:15.01 | citral | somePriest: me too. that's the only problem. I'd like to see a nice ascii picture in a second window or something like that... maybe it will appear one day in tmsnc |
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| 15:16.07 | crschmidt | eeee/topic |
| 15:16.09 | Gnea | crschmidt: what version of sysklogd is that? |
| 15:16.10 | crschmidt | sorry |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | Gnea: bring me back an eggroll! |
| 15:16.13 | gui | Bonjour, |
| 15:16.22 | citral | !fr |
| 15:16.23 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:16.23 | bluestorm | hum |
| 15:16.24 | bluestorm | odal: |
| 15:16.26 | gui | Est ce qu'il es possible d'installe "fglrx" en Sarge ? |
| 15:16.35 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:16.35 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:16.42 | bluestorm | eth0 is |
| 15:16.43 | crschmidt | Gnea: man sysklogd says "Version 1.3 " |
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| 15:16.58 | bluestorm | but i dunno wich one (wifi or ethernet) it is |
| 15:17.16 | bluestorm | it is said "auto", then "inet dhcp" |
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| 15:17.27 | Gnea | crschmidt: ok, what about apt-cache show sysklogd | grep Version | awk '{print $2}' ? |
| 15:17.31 | AciD | gui > it's quite possible, take a look at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 15:17.32 | crschmidt | here we go |
| 15:17.33 | crschmidt | ii sysklogd 1.4.1-17 System Logging Daemon |
| 15:17.35 | crschmidt | oh |
| 15:17.36 | bluestorm | blondie: thx ;) |
| 15:17.38 | Gnea | right on |
| 15:17.43 | Gnea | same deal :) |
| 15:17.45 | crschmidt | i just did dpkg -l | grep sysklogd, one sec |
| 15:17.57 | crschmidt | yeah, same |
| 15:19.14 | Gnea | crschmidt: what is the output of this: syslogd-listfiles | grep mail | wc -l |
| 15:19.41 | crschmidt | presumably you mean /usr/sbin/ |
| 15:19.51 | crschmidt | 0 |
| 15:19.53 | Gnea | well i'm running it as root |
| 15:19.56 | Gnea | ok |
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| 15:20.17 | b14ck | I'm used to using BSD. Can someone give me the full tar command to unzip a .tar.gz? |
| 15:20.18 | Gnea | now, the output of the following: syslogd-listfiles --auth | grep mail | wc -l, syslogd-listfiles --weekly | grep mail | wc -l, syslogd-listfiles --all | grep mail | wc -l |
| 15:20.29 | b14ck | Or do I need to use gunzip first? |
| 15:20.38 | NichtMued | tar xvzf |
| 15:20.41 | AciD | b14ck > tar xfzv |
| 15:20.42 | Gnea | tar xzvf |
| 15:21.04 | Gnea | or tar -fvzx |
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| 15:21.18 | blondie | stupid nickserv |
| 15:21.32 | Aim_Here | to save you asking again, it's tar xvfj for .tar.bz2 tarballs |
| 15:21.51 | citral | or tar -xjvf |
| 15:21.54 | NichtMued | b14ck: tar --help |
| 15:21.55 | streuner | !tar |
| 15:21.55 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 15:22.02 | Eulex | or -xvjf |
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| 15:22.22 | b14ck | Thanks. |
| 15:22.44 | NichtMued | b14ck: So far nobody has mentioned RTFM... :-) |
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| 15:23.13 | b14ck | I like how linux tar can do all of it in one step. |
| 15:23.24 | bpuzon | Hello, where should I put a script I want to run just after pressing the "shutdown" button |
| 15:23.25 | Gnea | crschmidt: did you get that? |
| 15:23.28 | bpuzon | ? |
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| 15:23.30 | crschmidt | Gnea: 0, 0, 1 |
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| 15:23.51 | Gnea | crschmidt: ... |
| 15:24.05 | Gnea | crschmidt: i had 0, 4, 4 |
| 15:24.41 | Gnea | crschmidt: syslogd-listfiles --all | grep mail <-- that shows what file? |
| 15:24.51 | crschmidt | er, sorry |
| 15:24.53 | crschmidt | 0, 0, 4 |
| 15:24.57 | Makineros63 | hello, i'va got a problem: when i try to install debian, after the first questions (about my keyboard, languages) the cdrom can't be mounted, so i can't install debian with my cd, i think the problem i'm in ide |
| 15:25.10 | crschmidt | that's what i get for typing with the numpad |
| 15:25.25 | Gnea | crschmidt: so syslogd-listfiles --weekly | grep mail <-- shows no files at all, just returns straight to the prompt? |
| 15:25.30 | crschmidt | right |
| 15:25.35 | NichtMued | I am using diff --recursive to check whether two directory trees are identical. My problem is that there are very large files so that diff exits saying "memory exhausted". I read somewhere on the WWW that the GNU diff implementation is brain dead because it allocates memory for the whole file. Is there any other console diff program in Debian Sarge which can handle very large files? |
| 15:25.37 | Eulex | Gnea, me too (0, 4, 4) |
| 15:25.51 | Gnea | crschmidt: try it again, you answered a bit too fast there... |
| 15:26.00 | crschmidt | uucp.log, daemon.log debug lpr.log kern.log |
| 15:26.01 | crschmidt | are weekly |
| 15:26.14 | Gnea | HRM |
| 15:26.15 | crschmidt | that is all the files in syslogd-listfiles --weekly |
| 15:26.30 | bpuzon | Hello, where should I put a script I want to run just after pressing the "shutdown" button? |
| 15:26.31 | Gnea | crschmidt: now is this sarge, etch or sid? |
| 15:26.54 | crschmidt | sarge |
| 15:27.17 | NichtMued | I apologize for braindead if one of the original GNU diff implementers is reading this here :-) |
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| 15:28.48 | Gnea | crschmidt: when's the last time you performed an update/upgrade/dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:29.04 | crschmidt | Gnea: I've never dist-upgraded |
| 15:29.16 | crschmidt | last update/upgrade was about 2 weeks ago |
| 15:29.25 | crschmidt | On Dec 1st, I think |
| 15:29.26 | Makineros63 | hello, i've got a problem: when i try to install debian, after the first questions (about my keyboard, languages) the cdrom can't be mounted, so i can't install debian with my cd, i think the problem is that i'm in ide |
| 15:29.32 | Gnea | do an update, then upgrade, then dist-upgrade right now, please |
| 15:29.50 | Eulex | Makineros63, try linux26 at the prompt |
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| 15:29.58 | Gnea | then observe the contents of syslogd-listfiles --weekly |
| 15:30.17 | Makineros63 | Eulex: that's what i've wrote |
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| 15:30.23 | dude | hello oneevery |
| 15:30.40 | crschmidt | Gnea: You're still answering the wrong question. |
| 15:30.56 | Eulex | Makineros63, tried using the default too? |
| 15:31.00 | crschmidt | Even if --weekly is wrong, why is mail.log being upgraded daily? |
| 15:31.07 | Gnea | crschmidt: the problem still persists, yes? |
| 15:31.19 | Makineros63 | Eulex: no just linux26 |
| 15:31.22 | crschmidt | Anyway, I don't have the ability to upgrade/dist-upgrade right now. This is my production mail and web server |
| 15:31.35 | Gnea | if it's production then it won't be a problem. |
| 15:31.42 | Gnea | since sarge is rock solid. |
| 15:31.45 | crschmidt | upgrade means that the webserver is down for up to a minute. |
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| 15:31.55 | Eulex | Makineros63, try the default 2.4 kernel. |
| 15:31.58 | crschmidt | Which means I get 4 phone calls from clients asking me why the webserver is down |
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| 15:32.08 | Gnea | oh, you mention this NOW |
| 15:32.12 | crschmidt | And it's sunday. I'm going to go play video games :p |
| 15:32.19 | Gnea | yes, it's sunday |
| 15:32.24 | Gnea | it's not in the middle of the week |
| 15:32.38 | Gnea | which means it's technically the perfect time to perform upgrades |
| 15:32.40 | crschmidt | Gnea: Yes. Scheduled maint period is from midnight to 2am on satudays |
| 15:32.46 | crschmidt | saturday mornings* |
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| 15:32.55 | Gnea | crschmidt: so you'll have to wait a week to find out - good luck |
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| 15:33.02 | crschmidt | Gnea: Find out what? |
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| 15:33.13 | Gnea | if an upgrade+dist-upgrade fixes it or not :) |
| 15:33.19 | crschmidt | Gnea: My question is "Why is mail.log being rotated?" |
| 15:33.24 | NichtMued | Is there a different console implementation of diff which can handle very large files, i.e. does not exit saying "memory exhausted"? |
| 15:33.25 | crschmidt | It sounds like your answer is "I don't know." |
| 15:33.27 | Makineros63 | Eulex: ok, i try now, if it does work i come back here, than you for your help ;) |
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| 15:33.49 | strat50s | hi :) |
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| 15:34.27 | cahoot | NichtMued: just curious - a larger swap(file) is of no use? |
| 15:34.31 | Gnea | crschmidt: that is correct, i do not know. and in order to know, certain steps must be taken. however, due to your policy, those steps are hindered for the time being. someone else MIGHT know, but they aren't here, but there's a very good chance that they're going to run into the same problem with your policy that i am. |
| 15:34.37 | strat50s | I've modified my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file manually and now dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is not working (doesn't write any changes on the file). How can I get this command to work again? |
| 15:34.53 | Eulex | !xmd5 |
| 15:34.54 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 15:34.55 | crschmidt | Gnea: What do you feel upgrading is likely to change? |
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| 15:35.04 | strat50s | thanks Eulex |
| 15:35.14 | strat50s | ;) |
| 15:35.18 | crschmidt | Somewhere, *something* has to be calling savelog at 6:30 every morning with mail.log as an arg. Upgrading doesn't seem likely to change that. |
| 15:35.19 | Eulex | strat50s, yw |
| 15:35.29 | NichtMued | cahoot: Unfortunately I cannot grow / add swap space |
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| 15:36.03 | crschmidt | Gnea: Assuming upgrading doesn't fix it, what is suggested next step? |
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| 15:36.39 | Gnea | crschmidt: ok how about this then - rgrep mail.log /etc/* | wc -l <- output of that is..? |
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| 15:37.14 | crschmidt | Gnea: just a lire config file |
| 15:37.34 | crschmidt | Gnea: presumably you mean "mail\.log", otherwise I get things like "mail_log" in amavis conf as well |
| 15:37.58 | strat50s | Eulex, great, working againg.... another new recipe to my cooking bock ;) |
| 15:38.04 | strat50s | book |
| 15:38.06 | Gnea | crschmidt: that's fine |
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| 15:38.50 | Gnea | crschmidt: i can't think of anything else at this point |
| 15:38.54 | Gnea | sorry |
| 15:39.00 | NichtMued | cahoot: I don't understand why the pairwise comparison isn't done in blocks... Any hint? |
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| 15:40.02 | lewis | I recently upgraded my sarge kernel to 2.4.31, with HZ=1000. It seemed to work fine, but after about 20 days, I get a system crash. Hopefully the crash isn't caused by anything else, but does anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:40.04 | crschmidt | Gnea: *shrug* Like I said, nobody has been able to help me yet, I didn't expect you would be able to. |
| 15:40.13 | goccia | crontab ? |
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| 15:42.59 | cahoot | NichtMued: no idea. cmp isn't an option either? |
| 15:43.39 | cyc | hi |
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| 15:44.29 | cyc | how to set up sw raid on sarge - or better - what to read .. I see /etc/raidtab is obsolete, I would like to set up raid 1 arrays - not while installing debian ... |
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| 15:45.36 | NichtMued | cahoot: I did a man cmp. I've to write a little bash script to compare both directory trees, but that should work. Thanks for your help. |
| 15:45.41 | blondie | read about mdadm |
| 15:45.45 | blondie | cyc ^ |
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| 15:49.25 | odla | tarzeau: bubnbros? |
| 15:49.30 | tarzeau | odla: yeah! |
| 15:49.30 | nadine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:49.50 | Eulex | where's the archive with all old debian packages? |
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| 15:49.51 | odla | tarzeau: alright! |
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| 15:49.57 | tarzeau | odla: #bub-n-bros |
| 15:50.10 | streuner | Eulex: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 15:50.19 | Eulex | streuner, thank you |
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| 15:51.17 | Eulex | streuner, was trying snapshot.debian.org which obviously didn't work... |
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| 15:51.55 | cyc | blondie I've found a guide how to create raid on a working system ... this seems to be what I was searching for - sarge kernel didn't detect my sata controller ... :) |
| 15:52.27 | cyc | so I used a ide drive to install and then I've compiled a new kernel |
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| 15:52.54 | tarzeau | anyone join us play #bub-n-bros http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
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| 15:53.28 | randey | is there any way to cp of the contents of a dep package in to a directory? |
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| 15:53.45 | KungPhoo | hi |
| 15:54.04 | nadine | hello is there any possibility to upgrade with apt from mysql-server to mysql-server1 without deinstall the first one and install the second one? |
| 15:54.05 | Pengu1n | randey: cd "diryouwant"; dpkg -x .../p.deb |
| 15:54.20 | randey | thanks |
| 15:54.22 | KungPhoo | I have a fstab entry for my usb-hdd. Works nice. However, I have to tyoe "mount /mnt/USBHDD" by hand |
| 15:54.27 | KungPhoo | what can I do? |
| 15:54.40 | cyc | blondie http://www.jochem.name/article.php3?id_article=23 :) |
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| 15:55.23 | nadine | hello |
| 15:55.32 | nadine | can someone help me |
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| 15:56.19 | tarzeau | takatumi: where are you? |
| 15:56.39 | tarzeau | RichiH: bubbles? |
| 15:56.39 | Eulex | tarzeau, I would if I had had time. I loved the old bubble bobble nes game. |
| 15:56.51 | tarzeau | Eulex: come on, just 5 minutes, it's not addictive :) |
| 15:57.05 | valdyn | !info mysql-server1 |
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| 15:57.48 | cmdKeen | X server fail to start but there are no logs in /var/log... startx says "xinit:network is unreachable(errno 101): unable to connect to Xserver". I wasn't able to stfw anything... |
| 15:58.09 | Eulex | tarzeau, maybe later |
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| 15:58.33 | valdyn | nadine: 16:57 <dpkg> Package 'mysql-server1' does not exist. |
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| 16:00.05 | asmCode | nadine: just say whats the the problem, man |
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| 16:00.22 | valdyn | cmdKeen: on your custom compiled kernel? |
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| 16:01.21 | cmdKeen | valdyn, no, netinstal upgraded to testing. |
| 16:01.24 | gnufan | Trouble CD writing under bespoke 2.6.11 kernel.... it is IDE DVD/CD player, I think it has worked before. Reads CDs fine. Only shows up in cdrecord -scanbus if I include an ide-scsi option to the kernel to boot. Seems to start recording, spit some errors, and leave the CD flashing its light like it is writing... any hints? |
| 16:01.31 | cmdKeen | valdyn, = 2.6.12 |
| 16:02.08 | citral | gnufan: tried dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 ? |
| 16:02.09 | Gnea | gnufan: is DMA turned on? 2.6 doesn't use ide-scsi for it, ide-cd |
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| 16:02.34 | valdyn | cmdKeen: apt-get update && apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
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| 16:03.03 | cmdKeen | valdyn, heh, I am not SO noob:] It's done on machine without net |
| 16:03.24 | valdyn | cmdKeen: so? |
| 16:03.45 | valdyn | cmdKeen: does that mean you manually fetched new packages and ran dpkg -i on each? |
| 16:04.28 | cmdKeen | valdyn, no, I installed that way, burned /var/cache/apt/archives, then installed again and dpkged manually. |
| 16:04.28 | asmCode | i have 2 ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1, how to check what producent is each of them? |
| 16:04.38 | guk | asmCode: ifconfig |
| 16:04.41 | blondie | what's a producent? |
| 16:04.43 | guk | asmCode: in root of course :) |
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| 16:04.54 | gnufan | citral: ATAPI:0,0,0 looks promising - seems no DMA, but I patient and I can enable that later |
| 16:04.55 | Gnea | blondie: that's what i'm wondering |
| 16:04.58 | guk | ?? I don't even know ... but ifconfig would tell him most of what he needs to know |
| 16:05.05 | valdyn | cmdKeen: whatever though, you have no network, X needs network, even if its only loopback, 'ifconfig' tells what? |
| 16:05.38 | citral | gnufan: patience is a virtue |
| 16:05.41 | citral | :) |
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| 16:07.03 | gnufan | citral: I not sure what the warning ¨Using unofficial libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1)¨ means, but Debian sid shouldn be saying that, surely? |
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| 16:07.04 | valdyn | gnufan: uname -r |
| 16:07.19 | valdyn | gnufan: it should |
| 16:07.34 | cmdKeen | valdyn, not my machine and I don't have access at the moment, but that will be probably it... so X won't start without loopback ? |
| 16:07.47 | valdyn | cmdKeen: X wont start without network |
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| 16:08.29 | asmCode | guk: and how to replace them? eth0 <-> eth1? |
| 16:08.50 | guk | asmCode: past my bounty ... ive never used linux for routing ... except on my WRT54Gs router ... |
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| 16:10.02 | cmdKeen | valdyn, means what for me ? What should ifconfig tell ? |
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| 16:10.21 | valdyn | cmdKeen: you need one configured network device, it does not matter which or what kind it is |
| 16:10.47 | valdyn | cmdKeen: ...and about every linux box ought to have loopback for various reasons |
| 16:10.59 | somePriest | 02 |
| 16:11.33 | freeone3000 | What is "Borked"? |
| 16:11.40 | luke | I have psaux mouse, out of the options I have tried PS/2 and ImPS/2 but not of them activate the scrolling wheel. If I try and edit XFree86-4 manually it breaks X, I have ran out of options possible, anyone wanna lend a hand? |
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| 16:12.05 | morbid | what's GLIB? thx |
| 16:12.05 | freeone3000 | Editing XFree86 manually shouldn't break X. Well, maybe on XFree, I use Xorg... |
| 16:12.08 | cmdKeen | valdyn, yep. And in case there are two network interfaces(including lo what else should be wrong ? |
| 16:12.10 | valdyn | luke: uname -r |
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| 16:12.19 | cmdKeen | s/should/would/ |
| 16:12.28 | luke | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 16:12.34 | valdyn | cmdKeen: no idea, you didnt show me the output of apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
| 16:12.37 | asmCode | guk: in ifconfig eth0 is nothing about producer |
| 16:13.20 | valdyn | cmdKeen: if your system is in a sane state though, then that will be the error anyway |
| 16:13.21 | guk | oh ... well then im little to no help then ... sorry man :( |
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| 16:13.37 | valdyn | cmdKeen: ( as much as a system w/o even loopback can be called sane.. ) |
| 16:13.49 | gnufan | citral: Cheers, hehe even have /dev/hdc back as my cdrom device in fstab. Hmm thinking maybe the legacy from old 2.4 installs is catching up with me (and my failing grey matter). |
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| 16:14.55 | luke | valdyn: when I use ImPS/2 in the reconfigure, it does not add the x axis button 4 and 5 |
| 16:15.00 | cmdKeen | valdyn, if I had access to internet on that machine I'd me happy, but I simply don't... ok, thanks, I'll take it there and dist-upgrade. |
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| 16:15.22 | valdyn | cmdKeen: oh i didnt want you to dist-upgrade |
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| 16:15.37 | valdyn | cmdKeen: i just wanted to see what it would do ( mind the -s ) |
| 16:15.58 | valdyn | luke: which kernel are you runnin ( uname -r ) |
| 16:16.16 | luke | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:17.37 | valdyn | luke: ok, since its not 2.6 you will have to know what kind of mouse you have.. is the Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" there? |
| 16:17.54 | luke | not when I try and use ImPS/2 |
| 16:18.04 | luke | if I use PS/2 I think it is added... |
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| 16:18.15 | luke | however it still does not work. |
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| 16:18.19 | valdyn | luke: what is adding it? |
| 16:18.25 | gnufan | BTW I can not ¨ctrl-alt-f1¨ in GDM, I have to login first. Anyone any ideas what might cause that, a search earlier suggested far too many possible causes. I have no .Xmodmap |
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| 16:18.47 | luke | valdyn, you dont want me to paste in the channel? |
| 16:18.54 | valdyn | luke: check if its added or not anyway, 'think' is not enough |
| 16:19.05 | valdyn | luke: nope, /msg dpkg paste |
| 16:19.30 | Talnakh_ | hi everyone. Does anyone know how is it possible to write disk dupe image to a floppy in Linux? |
| 16:20.03 | blondie | does anyone know what this error message means (when restarting apache on sarge): shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 16:20.04 | valdyn | Talnakh_: dd if=file.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 16:20.22 | azeem | blondie: does it happen all the time? |
| 16:20.42 | valdyn | blondie: it means that the directory you are currently in in your shell does no longer exist |
| 16:20.45 | azeem | usually that error means the directory you're running it from has been removed in the meantime |
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| 16:20.59 | blondie | valdyn: ahhhh |
| 16:21.00 | luke | valdyn, I pasted it into #flood |
| 16:21.04 | blondie | :) |
| 16:21.37 | luke | valdyn, thats what is added once using ImPS/2 |
| 16:21.41 | valdyn | luke: which of those 2 is the one used? |
| 16:21.46 | Talnakh_ | valdyn, are you sure that dd and .ddi files are compatible? |
| 16:21.58 | valdyn | Talnakh_: no |
| 16:22.01 | luke | erm, how do I find that out? |
| 16:22.10 | gnufan | blondie: is that smile a "that explains it" or should we try harder? |
| 16:22.20 | luke | I did chose /dev/psaux |
| 16:22.58 | luke | last time I editted XFree86-4 X would not start. |
| 16:23.12 | valdyn | luke: what did you edit? |
| 16:23.33 | blondie | gnufan: yes |
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| 16:23.56 | luke | something I found off the net, regarding the mouse, took the whole lot out. Would it be safe to make a copy of the file, then add the x axis to see if that works? |
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| 16:24.21 | valdyn | luke: remove one of both sections, make a backup first, add the ZAxisMapping |
| 16:24.45 | luke | Option "ZAxisMapping" "Enable" ? |
| 16:24.55 | valdyn | luke: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
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| 16:24.58 | gnufan | luke: you can either backup first, or past a new copy of the config file and pass the name X as an argument. You'll be fine either way. |
| 16:25.05 | luke | thanks, will try. |
| 16:25.26 | luke | trying the first method we spoke about. bbias |
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| 16:25.43 | gnufan | urm my typing is terrible how did "make" become "past".... ignore me |
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| 16:28.09 | asmCode | anybody know how to check eth0 manufacture? |
| 16:28.24 | valdyn | asmCode: lspci |
| 16:28.32 | asmCode | valdyn: thx |
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| 16:37.31 | KurtKraut | During a discussion a curious topic was mentioned: is it possible to have a virus infecting a linux box ? Is thera a virus already ? Or linux has no viruses AT ALL (100% garanteed ?) |
| 16:38.43 | b14ck | Of course it is possible. |
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| 16:38.46 | Gnea | KurtKraut: securityfocus.com yes, viruses do exist for linux, they are much more rare and difficult to write than windows |
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| 16:38.55 | b14ck | But the odds of you getting a linux virus are very slim. |
| 16:38.58 | rudenstam | how do I probe for disks after I have loaded additional modules ? |
| 16:39.12 | asmCode | valdyn: but i have 2 ethenrnet cards, and lspci dont telme, who is the eth0 and who eth1 |
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| 16:39.19 | rudenstam | (hpt37x modules) |
| 16:39.20 | KurtKraut | Gnea, can you mention the worst damage a virus in linux can do ? |
| 16:39.27 | mcgreg | and usually not that dangerous if you have a good configured linux |
| 16:39.30 | Gnea | KurtKraut: why? |
| 16:39.35 | mcgreg | if the virus has root-right ... |
| 16:39.39 | Gnea | KurtKraut: and who wants to know? |
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| 16:40.24 | luke | just letting you peeps know |
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| 16:40.28 | luke | my scroll button works now |
| 16:40.38 | KurtKraut | Gnea, because I was used to state to Windows users that 'Linux has no virus'. I would like to know how far this is fully true and how should I change my statement to be more accurate. |
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| 16:40.55 | luke | removing both entries stopped X, but I added the axis in both 'configured' and 'generic' mouse |
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| 16:41.09 | luke | very weird it stops x if I remove one |
| 16:41.44 | Gnea | KurtKraut: again, securityfocus.com search for linux virus |
| 16:42.03 | KurtKraut | Gnea, thanks. |
| 16:42.29 | Gnea | KurtKraut: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188 |
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| 16:47.14 | veleno | how can I convert a bunch of jpgs from 1280x960 to 1024x768 automatically ? |
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| 16:47.25 | blondie | "convert" from ImageMagick |
| 16:47.35 | blondie | apt-get install imagemagick |
| 16:47.40 | blondie | then man convert |
| 16:47.44 | cahoot | veleno: or mogrify to do it in batch mode |
| 16:48.11 | blondie | for i in ls ;) |
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| 16:53.56 | GNULinux | Is there any special package for running Virtual Private Servers on a single debian box? |
| 16:54.41 | devicenull | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/cc1plus on my machine is apparently not compatible with gcc3.4, how could I update it? |
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| 16:55.49 | brox | does someone here use boost? |
| 16:55.54 | crschmidt | Gnea: syslogd-listfiles in --weekly mode ignores files that have been rotated less than 5 hours ago |
| 16:56.06 | brox | i cant get bgl-python to work with bjam... |
| 16:56.16 | sifi | should I use "for i in" or "for file in" to be technically correct? |
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| 16:56.38 | crschmidt | Gnea: an hour and a half ago, those files wouldn't have shown up for that reason. They show up in syslogd-listfiles --weekly now |
| 16:57.23 | Gnea | crschmidt: interesting. |
| 16:57.33 | brox | in the readme it says i should just start bjam in ~/bgl-python-0.9/ but i just get: http://pastebin.com/469071 |
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| 16:57.55 | crschmidt | Gnea: apt-get update upgrade dist-upgrade had nothing to do other than update gnupg |
| 16:58.15 | Gnea | crschmidt: so the problem still persists? |
| 16:58.42 | crschmidt | Well, since nothingchanged other than gnupg, I'd assume so. Obviously, it's not 6:30, so I can't tell you at the moment whether it does or not. |
| 16:58.51 | Gnea | ok |
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| 17:00.31 | mrpen | hi, what's the proper grub entry supposed to look like when you recompile your kernel? |
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| 17:03.05 | citral | mrpen: if you compiled with make-kpkg, it's automatically handled |
| 17:04.11 | mrpen | citral, gee, i've been trying to do it with make |
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| 17:04.19 | brox | is there a boost package for debian? |
| 17:04.47 | citral | mrpen: take seriously a look at kernel-package then (command is make-kpkg) |
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| 17:07.06 | mrpen | citral, thanks, i'm gonna reboot now |
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| 17:10.01 | valdyn | brox: apt-cache search boost |
| 17:11.12 | valdyn | devicenull: why should something belonging to gcc-3.3.4 be compatible with gcc-3.4 ? |
| 17:11.38 | devicenull | valdyn, its not |
| 17:11.41 | devicenull | and I dont know how to update it |
| 17:11.52 | valdyn | devicenull: you just dont update it |
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| 17:12.12 | valdyn | devicenull: but you could probably install g++-3.4 if that is what you need |
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| 17:13.27 | sdakota | hi |
| 17:13.34 | devicenull | valdyn, thanks |
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| 17:14.52 | sdakota | hmm -- I need a bit of luxery advice... I'm making a hosting control panel named fPanel ... I want all files to be in a directory... but should I put those in /fpanel, or /etc/fpanel (also binaries), or /bin/fpanel, .... I could use /home/fpanel, or /var/fpanel, or /opt/fpanel... What do you recommend? |
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| 17:15.20 | ertys | anyone could help me with a little problem concerning my broadcom ethernet device |
| 17:15.34 | valdyn | sdakota: does it matter? |
| 17:15.35 | ertys | get an error message : |
| 17:15.48 | sdakota | valdyn: luxery - I want it to look a bit professional |
| 17:15.52 | ertys | eth0: bug! timeout waiting fort bit 80000000 to clear |
| 17:15.54 | valdyn | sdakota: /opt/ |
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| 17:16.09 | sdakota | valdyn: /opt/ isn't that for plugins (like KDE, Gnome) |
| 17:16.20 | valdyn | sdakota: kde is a plugin? |
| 17:16.46 | sdakota | valdyn: well I wouldn't call it a plugin - but it's ... something that you ... use for X-Window .. :/ |
| 17:16.51 | valdyn | sdakota: /opt/ is ok for stuff that does not want to follow the fhs |
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| 17:16.58 | sdakota | valdyn: fhs? |
| 17:17.03 | cluster | anyone has a clue why I must re-run the NVIDIA install script as root everytime I reboot for my X to work even too the nvidia module load just fine on bootup? My X segfault until I reinstall the other files everytime :( |
| 17:17.05 | sdakota | !fhs |
| 17:17.09 | dpkg | well, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 17:17.23 | sdakota | ok |
| 17:17.44 | sdakota | valdyn: I'd like to follow the FHS |
| 17:18.03 | valdyn | sdakota: then read it ) |
| 17:18.24 | valdyn | sdakota: /opt is mentioned there too, for stuff that doesnt install 'properly' |
| 17:18.58 | sdakota | valdyn: I want to make something like an install process when all binaries are finished.. but for now, I want at least to keep a bit of oversight |
| 17:19.11 | sdakota | valdyn: so you recommend to place the files in /opt/fpanel? |
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| 17:19.38 | valdyn | sdakota: /home/ for things that arent really used. |
| 17:19.40 | nixie | is there a way to overclock on linux? my bios doesn't recognize my 433mhz dimms and clocks them on 333 instead of 400. |
| 17:19.51 | valdyn | sdakota: err, /home/<yourlogin>/ |
| 17:19.56 | sdakota | valdyn: they should be used. |
| 17:20.11 | valdyn | sdakota: /opt/ then |
| 17:20.41 | obtix | ok... i need a quick/simple solution to connect via a windows pc to a linux box (running x.org) like RDP. ideas? |
| 17:20.53 | kspath | vnc? |
| 17:21.01 | bbrazil | obtix: cygwin? |
| 17:21.20 | obtix | doesnt x have something built in to it? |
| 17:21.29 | samlii | to install the nvidia glx libs I can just apt-get install nvidia-glx correct? Seems when I try that I can't get xorg to recognize the GLX module |
| 17:21.35 | kspath | ssh? |
| 17:21.44 | bbrazil | obtix: it does, but you'll still need an xserver on the windows side |
| 17:21.46 | valdyn | samlii: /msg dpkg nvidia drivers |
| 17:22.04 | valdyn | samlii: or /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:22.07 | obtix | bbrazil is there a way to do it with out the xserver on the windows side? |
| 17:22.10 | samlii | obtix: For future reference I would say freenx |
| 17:22.30 | bbrazil | obtix: not using X, I hear VNC works but have no experiance there |
| 17:23.03 | valdyn | obtix: apt-cache show rfb |
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| 17:24.52 | laci | hy |
| 17:25.06 | obtix | ok thanks guys let me see what i find |
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| 17:26.00 | b14ck | What should I add to /etc/sudoers if I want the user 'b14ck' to be able to use sudo with his password? |
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| 17:27.30 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
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| 17:28.13 | sanpedro | use visudo. and add 'bl4ck ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
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| 17:29.52 | b14ck | ty |
| 17:30.06 | sanpedro | np |
| 17:30.08 | samlii | What is supposed to make the links from libGL.so.nvidia to /usr/X11r6/lib/libGL? |
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| 17:30.47 | __filip_ | Is it possibel to have an image as background when booting? |
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| 17:31.56 | sineer | samlii, where ever it is, you must adjust your /etc/ld.so.conf to include all your main library paths.. sur as /usr/local/lib and for me also /usr/local/X11R6/lib64 and /usr/local/X11R6/lib. |
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| 17:32.44 | sineer | samlii, then run ldconfig and finally edit env var called LD_CONFIG_PATH and export LD_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib:$LD_CONFIG_PATH or whereever your glx lib is |
| 17:33.00 | sineer | and make sire its first in path if you have conflicting glx libs somewhere eles |
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| 17:35.07 | b14ck | During the install it connected via dhcp. I want to set up my node statically. Which file do I have to modify? |
| 17:35.44 | randey | unable to umount a partition. The command says the device hda3 is busy. how to know which process is using hda3. there is no output from fuser /dev/hda3 |
| 17:35.44 | abrotman_ | !tell b14ck about interfaces |
| 17:35.46 | Eulex | b14ck, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:36.05 | Eulex | randey, lsof|grep mountpoint |
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| 17:36.52 | randey | Eulex : no use, this is a xen kernel |
| 17:37.09 | Eulex | randey, that's a pity |
| 17:37.40 | Eulex | randey, you could try fuser mountpoint. that works on a xen kernel. |
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| 17:39.03 | b14ck | Thanks abrotman that was really helpful! |
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| 17:40.13 | randey | Eulex: No, Its not giving anything. But simply returning the /dev/hda3 and /misc (mount point) |
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| 17:41.10 | Eulex | ujn |
| 17:41.26 | Eulex | randey, then I dunno. |
| 17:41.47 | randey | Eulex: Thanks for the effort |
| 17:42.34 | Eulex | randey, umh, sorry. I meant "if that works on a xen kernel." above. I have no experience with any xen kernel |
| 17:44.52 | Eulex | :( |
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| 17:46.50 | nixie | isnt there a way to change memory timings on the fly on linux? ive found CPU overclock tools but nada for memory |
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| 17:48.03 | Gnea | nixie: memory timings are tweaked in the bios |
| 17:48.28 | Gnea | nixie: and cpu doesn't get overclocked in userland, that's also the bios... |
| 17:48.30 | nixie | gnea, my board doesn't handle 433mhz dimms well. it switches to 333. on windoze i use a tool to switch it back to 400, no problem. |
| 17:48.45 | nixie | but i can't find anything to do the same on linux, yet |
| 17:48.47 | nixie | =/ |
| 17:48.57 | Gnea | but that's not a good thing |
| 17:49.00 | Gnea | what motherboard is it? |
| 17:49.08 | nixie | asus k8n |
| 17:49.13 | nixie | latest bios already:) |
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| 17:51.38 | nixie | theres quite a few tools that cover vcore and cpufsb, even on the fly |
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| 17:51.59 | nixie | but none for memory timings, apart from nvidia and ati GPU tools |
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| 17:52.35 | Buddha| | How do I get apt-get to output a list of everything that will be installed when I install an app with multiple dependencies? |
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| 17:53.00 | abrotman_ | Buddha|: -u |
| 17:53.14 | barnes | Will I really need disks 13 and 14? There not torrenting so well. |
| 17:53.34 | Buddha| | abrotman_ - so, apt-get install -u appname? |
| 17:53.34 | takatumi | barnes: most probably not. |
| 17:53.48 | abrotman_ | Buddha|: i think so |
| 17:53.54 | abrotman_ | !cd contents |
| 17:53.55 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 17:54.11 | barnes | takatumi: thats what I figured.. |
| 17:54.52 | takatumi | barnes: usually CD1 will do, get the rest off the net. |
| 17:55.56 | Eulex | barnes, if the computer in question has a fast downlink, just the netinstall will do |
| 17:55.58 | barnes | takatum: I'm on a wireless connection, so getting internet requires me to hard wire to get the wireless detials, and right now I'm too lazy. |
| 17:56.16 | takatumi | barnes: which chipset? |
| 17:56.32 | barnes | takatumi: AMD I belive. |
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| 17:56.38 | aeacides | hello! |
| 17:56.40 | Buddha| | abrotman_ - -u shows upgraded packages |
| 17:56.54 | Gnea | nixie: so you're overclocking? |
| 17:56.56 | abrotman_ | not what you want ? |
| 17:57.04 | blondie | is it possible to update group membership without logging in again? |
| 17:57.06 | abrotman_ | Buddha|: normally it does show all packages that will be installed |
| 17:57.14 | Buddha| | abrotman_ - I figured it out. I did 'apt-get -s install kde > kde_apps.txt' |
| 17:57.22 | abrotman_ | uhm .. ok |
| 17:57.43 | Buddha| | That created a text file listing everything that 'apt-get install kde' would do, including listing all the packages to install. |
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| 17:58.22 | aeacides | is it possible to use apt to upgrade a package to an unstable version without upgrading my entire system to unstable first? |
| 17:58.44 | takatumi | Buddha|: to cut to the chase it's -s and not -u? |
| 17:58.54 | nixie | Gnea: actually, i'm not overclocking. i'm trying to get my board to run the memory at its correct speed (200MHZ DDR), since my bios is buggy and puts it on 166MHZ DDR |
| 17:59.23 | Buddha| | takatumi - -s simulates the install, -u just lists everything that will be installed |
| 17:59.39 | takatumi | Buddha|: exactamundo. |
| 17:59.49 | barnes | I feel like I just wasted 6 disks...Should I just use those 6 and stop burning the rest? |
| 18:00.06 | aeacides | Is there a relationship between unstable packages and unstable debian? |
| 18:00.07 | takatumi | barnes: yeah, burn it if required later. |
| 18:00.15 | Gnea | nixie: what kind of memory is it? |
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| 18:00.51 | barnes | Yeah, I have my windows harddrive, and I have this tiny 8 gig linux hard drive, so I don't think I'll need anything more then whats on the first 6 disks. |
| 18:01.03 | nixie | Gnea: 433mhz kingston iirc. runs perfectly fine on 400mhz fsb. |
| 18:01.11 | nixie | if you insist i can unplug it:P |
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| 18:01.26 | Gnea | nixie: heh, is that pc3200? |
| 18:01.50 | nixie | isnt 433 pc3800 or something |
| 18:01.51 | barnes | takatumi: one last question before I leave, does debian have good wireless capabilities? |
| 18:01.59 | Gnea | uhm |
| 18:02.12 | takatumi | barnes: that's what I meant with which chipset |
| 18:02.40 | Gnea | pc3800 doesn't exist |
| 18:02.47 | barnes | takatumi: So what is the good chipset? |
| 18:03.33 | Gnea | it's pc3500 |
| 18:03.36 | astronut | what's a good quickie video editor that can work with avi's? I want to just trim one |
| 18:03.48 | takatumi | barnes: google? mine is atheros works rather well. |
| 18:03.56 | nixie | gnea, well im quite 100% positive it's 433mhz. kingston hyper-x pc3500 |
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| 18:04.13 | astronut | orrinco is supposed to be best for b |
| 18:04.14 | astronut | not sure about g |
| 18:04.29 | barnes | takaumi:..your confusing me, I feel stupid. Well I'm jsut gonna give it a shot and hope for the best. |
| 18:04.44 | Gnea | nixie: okay - you might need to get pc3200 |
| 18:04.45 | barnes | thanks everyone. |
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| 18:04.49 | abrotman_ | !madwifi |
| 18:04.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
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| 18:05.08 | Gnea | nixie: that's probably why it's doing that |
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| 18:05.28 | nixie | Gnea: i know why its doing it already. crappy bios support. |
| 18:05.37 | nixie | i just want it to do what *i* want :) |
| 18:05.39 | Gnea | nixie: unless you OC the cpu in the bios, it's not going to bridge properly |
| 18:05.52 | Gnea | then you need to get new ram or a new mobo ;) |
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| 18:06.13 | Gnea | there have always been limitations, and for good reason |
| 18:06.42 | nixie | if i can download an app like systool on windows and change the memory spec, and have a rock solid system, i should be able to do the same on linux |
| 18:06.49 | nixie | now if i could only code.. |
| 18:07.35 | Gnea | yeah but wouldn't constant changing like that hurt the memory? |
| 18:07.59 | nixie | uhh hum. |
| 18:08.04 | abrotman_ | Gnea: isn't he already overclocking ? |
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| 18:08.08 | nixie | no not really |
| 18:08.12 | nixie | abrotman: no i aint. |
| 18:08.14 | nixie | :) |
| 18:08.14 | abrotman_ | liar liar pants on fire! |
| 18:08.17 | Gnea | abrotman_: nope |
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| 18:08.28 | abrotman_ | Gnea: go back to sysklogd stuffs! |
| 18:08.31 | nixie | im trying to fix my crappy bios's memclk detector |
| 18:08.37 | Gnea | abrotman_: lol |
| 18:08.55 | Gnea | i'm playing video games :P |
| 18:09.07 | abrotman_ | remind me why i'm at work on a sunday? .. oh yeah .. TPS reports! |
| 18:09.24 | Eulex | !overclocking |
| 18:09.24 | dpkg | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
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| 18:09.41 | Gnea | i haven't played any games in fscking years like this... well, i'm unemployed at the moment so i've got a good excuse :P |
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| 18:10.05 | nixie | i am *not* overclocking! |
| 18:10.10 | Gnea | lol |
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| 18:11.29 | Eulex | !overclockix |
| 18:11.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, overclockix is like smoking lots of crack, putting on your 3d glasses and your skimask, and playing doom on 'nightmare' while people whip you with cat5 cable |
| 18:11.30 | z3d3 | i setup my sshd server to use HostBasedAuthentication , and no PasswordAuthentication. I have multiple clients that I connect from. Is the optimally way to utilize my pub/priv keys to carry my own private key around on a secure device (like memory stick) and use the same private key to connectto my server? |
| 18:12.05 | Gnea | z3d3: that would be ideal, yeah |
| 18:12.08 | Aim_Here | I dunno, crack, doom on nightmare level and being whipped by cat5 sounds like quite a good evening to me |
| 18:12.22 | astronut | what's a good quickie video editor that can work with avi's? I want to just trim one |
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| 18:12.51 | z3d3 | Gnea, ok cool. I didn't know for sure, is there a better way for host-based authentication or is that the best? I want to make sure I do this right |
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| 18:13.20 | Gnea | z3d3: RSA is pretty good.. i don't know if it's the 'best', since that's a relative term |
| 18:13.52 | Eulex | nixie, traitor ;) |
| 18:13.52 | z3d3 | ok, given the fact that I don't have access to device like RSA tokens, utilizing one private key is pretty good? |
| 18:13.56 | usn | hi folx |
| 18:14.11 | sisixsisi | hey guys, does nay one knows how to disallow a user to use sendmail ? |
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| 18:14.28 | nixie | hehe, well im pretty solidly convinced there are no tools to change memory timings on the fly, apart from dd if=overclock.txt of=/dev/nvram or something similar evil |
| 18:14.29 | kspath | remove sendmail |
| 18:14.36 | Gnea | z3d3: i meant RSA keys, instead of DSA - surely you know how to create ssh keypairs? |
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| 18:14.47 | abrotman_ | sisixsisi: why would you want to do that ? |
| 18:14.48 | blondie | is there something that gives you links to documentation for sarge packages? |
| 18:14.56 | kspath | spam? |
| 18:15.02 | z3d3 | Gnea, yeah I do. I thought DSA was more secure then RSA though |
| 18:15.08 | abrotman_ | if you don't trust the user .. don't give them a shell |
| 18:15.09 | sisixsisi | hi abrot, i dont want that user to send mails |
| 18:15.15 | Gnea | blondie: usually /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ |
| 18:15.38 | blondie | ahhh |
| 18:15.39 | blondie | thanks |
| 18:15.44 | sisixsisi | yeah some guy using apache to spam from my server |
| 18:15.47 | kspath | you can try group based permissions but seems silly |
| 18:15.54 | kspath | chrrot the user shell |
| 18:15.56 | kspath | ... |
| 18:15.56 | abrotman_ | sisixsisi: ask #sendmail .. maybe there's a config setting to disallow a user to send mail |
| 18:16.10 | sisixsisi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.19 | sisixsisi | cat ate theirmouths |
| 18:16.32 | Aim_Here | If someone's sending spam, surely you lock him out of your system entirely, then go round to his house and attack the mains current to his gonads |
| 18:16.32 | Gnea | lol |
| 18:16.43 | sisixsisi | lol |
| 18:16.45 | Aim_Here | s/attack/attach/j |
| 18:16.55 | sisixsisi | you can bet i will if i can pay a trip to tkio |
| 18:16.58 | sisixsisi | tokio that is |
| 18:17.02 | tonyrad | I'm wanting to set myself up so I can do my java development on my debian box... any suggestions on what sdk to use? |
| 18:17.08 | saloxin | sisixsisi: prolly some badly written webapp being exploited. grep -r mail /var/www/* |
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| 18:17.13 | abrotman_ | sisixsisi: tokyo ? |
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| 18:17.31 | sisixsisi | yeah, thats what i think they are using |
| 18:17.32 | Gnea | sisixsisi: oh, lemme know when you go, i've got some places that need to be hit up as well ;) |
| 18:17.36 | sisixsisi | getting through apache |
| 18:17.44 | sisixsisi | yeah i tracked his ip its from tokio |
| 18:17.47 | sisixsisi | or japan |
| 18:17.47 | sifi | abrotman, why does lynx find 28 to here?: lynx -dump ftp://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ | awk '/LATEST-IS-/ {print $2}' |
| 18:17.51 | sisixsisi | or something like that |
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| 18:17.57 | Gnea | could be hijacked |
| 18:17.59 | Diego | Hello peeps |
| 18:18.05 | abrotman_ | sisixsisi: so he's doing a script ? |
| 18:18.10 | sifi | abrotman, I just want the url ftp://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-2.6.14.4 |
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| 18:18.33 | kspath | replace sendmail with a wrapper? |
| 18:18.41 | Diego | I was trying to upgrade my fwbuilder, but it wants to remove kde. Any idean why or how to stop t from happening? |
| 18:19.00 | sisixsisi | thats what i think, ... what i know is he is getting through apache |
| 18:19.12 | Gnea | sisixsisi: shut down apache |
| 18:19.17 | kspath | there a dozen things you can do to prevent users from accessing sendmail use google |
| 18:19.17 | Gnea | sisixsisi: kill -9 his pid's |
| 18:19.29 | Gnea | sisixsisi: then go thru the logs and figure out how he did it |
| 18:19.36 | abrotman_ | find the script .. remove it |
| 18:19.52 | kspath | move the actual sendmail |
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| 18:20.01 | kspath | change actual sendmail perms |
| 18:20.03 | kspath | ... |
| 18:20.04 | Gnea | get rid of sendmail and install exim4 |
| 18:20.07 | kspath | dozens of things |
| 18:20.07 | Gnea | more secure |
| 18:20.11 | kspath | or postfix |
| 18:20.21 | abrotman_ | exim4 sucks .. use qmail |
| 18:20.23 | sisixsisi | nonono |
| 18:20.37 | sisixsisi | i dont think he has an aplication running on my machine |
| 18:20.46 | kspath | qmail sucks sprinkles postfix holy water on abrotman |
| 18:20.54 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an mta war |
| 18:20.54 | dpkg | exim is a spam magnet |
| 18:21.02 | Gnea | lol |
| 18:21.07 | sisixsisi | there are some interfaces we have running on apache |
| 18:21.27 | kspath | remove the interfaces or fix them? |
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| 18:21.48 | sussudio | in soviet russia, interfaces remove you |
| 18:21.51 | Diego | This is doig my head in, any advice peeps? |
| 18:22.00 | sisixsisi | maybe he is exploiting a vulnerability on them , or on this old apache version .... i am upgrading to new apache, in just a few days |
| 18:22.00 | kspath | interfaces is code for 3rd party un patched and not secured? |
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| 18:22.22 | sisixsisi | written in php |
| 18:22.29 | kspath | php4 ? |
| 18:22.31 | Diego | Then I try to install fwbuilder 2.0.7 it wants to remove kde |
| 18:22.36 | kspath | old un updated? |
| 18:22.40 | Gnea | sisixsisi: are you using some sort of cms? |
| 18:22.53 | kspath | gnea sounds like it |
| 18:23.06 | sisixsisi | hey, who was the guy who told me to do : |
| 18:23.07 | sisixsisi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.18 | sisixsisi | i am getting alog of output out of it |
| 18:23.22 | sisixsisi | alot i mean |
| 18:23.25 | saloxin | sisixsisi: me |
| 18:23.28 | abrotman_ | isn't it your website ? |
| 18:23.38 | kspath | | less ? |
| 18:23.52 | sisixsisi | what should i look on that ouput, hehehe , its so much i havent even looked what does it shows |
| 18:24.00 | sisixsisi | what you mean abrot man |
| 18:24.20 | saloxin | sisixsisi: well, you're looking fo rinsecure use of "mail()". might not be the best way |
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| 18:24.52 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.19 | Diego | Please can anyone help? |
| 18:25.25 | kspath | nmap the box from another box and see if things are "normal" compared to a good version of that host |
| 18:25.34 | Gnea | Diego: ?!?!?!! |
| 18:25.36 | Diego | When I try to install fwbuilder 2.0.7 it wants to remove kde |
| 18:25.42 | abrotman_ | Diego: are you using testing/unstable ? |
| 18:25.44 | Gnea | good! |
| 18:25.54 | Diego | testing yes, stable is 2.0.3 |
| 18:26.02 | Diego | Unstable is also 2.0.7 |
| 18:26.06 | abrotman_ | and fwbuilder is C++ ? |
| 18:26.20 | Diego | I believe so |
| 18:26.24 | Diego | Unsure tbh |
| 18:26.25 | abrotman_ | !depends fwbuilder etch |
| 18:26.26 | Gnea | Diego: what do you mean, it wants to remove 'kde'? |
| 18:26.29 | saloxin | sisixsisi: /etc/php4/apapche/php.ini: sendmail_path = /bin/false ;-) |
| 18:26.29 | kspath | I love being jobless while unclued people with a linux for dummies book are admining |
| 18:26.36 | dpkg | fwbuilder: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfwbuilder6c2 (>= 2.0.7-0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libsnmp9 (>= 5.2.1.2-3), libssl0.9.7, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2), libwrap0, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.21), libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.15), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), fwbuilder-linux | fwbuilder-backend, fwbuilder-common (>= 2.0.7) |
| 18:26.41 | Diego | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 18:26.54 | Diego | In the list is kde and lots of kde stuff |
| 18:27.00 | Gnea | kspath: i have a couple of those in pocket format in a box somewhere |
| 18:27.01 | abrotman_ | kde sucks .. use DOS! |
| 18:27.18 | Diego | Don't make me get a baseball bad man |
| 18:27.19 | sisixsisi | whats that saloxin ? |
| 18:27.22 | blal | Diego /others: Could this be because your kde libs depend on the non-mt version of qt? |
| 18:27.50 | Diego | You've got me ther, I'm no Debian guru and have no idea what that means |
| 18:27.56 | Diego | Or what to do to change it |
| 18:28.10 | abrotman_ | sisixsisi: it will disallow ALL php scripts from sending mail .. unless of course they override the php.ini .. but i'm sure saloxin thought of that :) |
| 18:28.13 | Diego | I know if I let it remove I have an impossible task to restore kde |
| 18:28.15 | FourierSeries | "FVWM!" |
| 18:28.25 | kspath | mt being multi-threaded? |
| 18:28.28 | blal | Diego : Is libqt3-mt currently installed? |
| 18:28.33 | Diego | I can check |
| 18:28.40 | blal | kspath : Yes. I remember running into some trouble with this a while ago. |
| 18:28.53 | Diego | root:/home/diego/fwbuilder-2.0.10# locate libqt3-mt |
| 18:28.53 | Diego | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libqt3-mt.list |
| 18:28.53 | Diego | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libqt3-mt.postrm |
| 18:29.07 | Diego | Is that a no? |
| 18:29.08 | blal | Diego : try dpkg -l libqt3-mt |
| 18:29.14 | abrotman_ | Diego: you could just write your rules by hand |
| 18:29.38 | kspath | abrotman: heheh |
| 18:29.46 | sts | hello folks |
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| 18:29.58 | Diego | I have a wife so I don't have to do THAT by hand, and fwbuilder so I don't have to do that by hand either |
| 18:30.07 | sts | can someone recomment any ppp-watch script for debian? |
| 18:30.14 | abrotman_ | Diego: you got your wife a vibrator ? |
| 18:30.26 | kspath | this is far better than comedy channel really |
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| 18:30.37 | sts | the script should restart the ppp connection if it's not connected correctly |
| 18:30.37 | Diego | root:/home/diego/fwbuilder-2.0.10# dpkg -l libqt3-mt |
| 18:30.37 | Diego | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 18:30.37 | Diego | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 18:30.37 | Diego | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 18:30.37 | Diego | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 18:30.38 | Diego | +++-===========================-===========================-====================================================================== |
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| 18:30.43 | Gnea | heh |
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| 18:31.01 | Gnea | !flood |
| 18:31.01 | Diego | oops |
| 18:31.01 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:31.07 | Diego | Did you get that though? |
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| 18:31.37 | blal | That sort of thing goes in #flood. The one-line I was looking for looks like: "ii wterm 6.2.9-6.2 An rxvt based, color xterm replacement" |
| 18:31.37 | Gnea | i looked like crap |
| 18:31.53 | Gnea | er, it |
| 18:32.22 | fbi | that's why you use | grep ii with dpkg -l |
| 18:32.30 | blal | Diego : The "ii" bit at the beginning is the most significant. It means that package is installed. |
| 18:32.40 | fbi | what do you expect to happen when you tell a clubie to do something like that |
| 18:32.40 | Diego | kk |
| 18:32.47 | fbi | of course they are going to paste a huge msg |
| 18:33.00 | Diego | Yes, yes..I'm the noobor..apologies.. |
| 18:33.11 | fbi | Diego: use dpkg -l foo | grep ii |
| 18:33.33 | Diego | foo being? |
| 18:33.40 | fbi | whatever package name. |
| 18:33.41 | blal | Please, let's not make this like EFNet #linux. Bash only lazy newbies. |
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| 18:33.59 | Diego | which package am I looking for? |
| 18:34.13 | blal | Diego : Yes. "foo" is generic-speak for "something". |
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| 18:34.40 | Diego | Yes, I know. That's what I'm asking: what am I looking for? libqt3-mt? |
| 18:35.21 | blal | Diego : Yep. Let's check the status of libqt3-mt. |
| 18:35.27 | Diego | dpkg -l libqt3-mt | grep ii returned nothing |
| 18:35.27 | dpkg | ii libqt3-mt | grep ii returned nothing 3.2-2.2 diego's private gamp collection |
| 18:35.45 | konfuzed | is any one here familiar with using RIP for gateway routers and switches? |
| 18:36.22 | blal | Diego : I was hoping for an execution of "dpkg -l libqt3-mt" rather than running it through grep (a la the others in the channel). |
| 18:36.24 | konfuzed | im at this low income ousing project that has a bunch of gateways and switches all strung together that need to be cleaned up |
| 18:36.40 | Diego | Okay I'll do: dpkg -l libqt3-mt |
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| 18:36.45 | konfuzed | im just trying to figure out if RIP is helping or hurting the current situation |
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| 18:37.02 | konfuzed | am I better off turning off all RIP or must I have it all turned on |
| 18:37.11 | astronut | what's a good quickie video editor that can work with avi's? I want to just trim one |
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| 18:37.13 | konfuzed | is any one familiar with this kinda thing |
| 18:37.14 | Diego | Pasted that result before, violates the channel's flood |
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| 18:37.24 | Diego | Shall I PM it to you? |
| 18:37.28 | saloxin | astronut: kino |
| 18:37.38 | astronut | saloxin: it woulnd't open the .avi |
| 18:37.47 | astronut | or i did it wrong |
| 18:37.51 | astronut | bitched it wasn't DV |
| 18:37.52 | saloxin | ew |
| 18:37.52 | abrotman_ | !paste |
| 18:37.53 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:37.59 | fbi | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 18:38.06 | fbi | err |
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| 18:38.08 | fbi | !phillysmite abrotman_ |
| 18:38.10 | saloxin | only one i know, except for vim of course |
| 18:38.23 | Diego | He's not in flood |
| 18:38.40 | Diego | blal? |
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| 18:38.44 | nipra | Why am i not getting the sound? I have 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 18:38.45 | blal | Diego : It's the last line that I'm interested in, the "ii blah blah" part or the "pn blah blah" bit. |
| 18:38.45 | Buddha| | !phillysmite dpkg |
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| 18:39.00 | fbi | Diego: what is there to paste? do what i said. if it's not installed, you'll know. looking at the entire output of dpkg -l isn't going to do shit. |
| 18:39.08 | Diego | Last line is: |
| 18:39.09 | Diego | rc libqt3-mt 3.0.5-3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version) |
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| 18:39.25 | Alumni | Why is it that when I boot my Thinkpad with my CD-ROM drive included and kernel 2.6.14, and the ide-cd module tries to load, it says "nobody cared" and to try the irqpoll option. |
| 18:39.54 | anleide | alguien habla español???? |
| 18:40.00 | Eulex | !es |
| 18:40.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:40.12 | Gnea | Alumni: "too much money" |
| 18:40.17 | anleide | thanks |
| 18:40.28 | Eulex | anleide, sÃ, un poco, pero la lengua de #debian es inglés |
| 18:40.37 | Gnea | </sarcasm> |
| 18:40.41 | Alumni | But when I boot off the Debian CD (using an older kernel, 2.2) it works fine. |
| 18:40.44 | Diego | Blal you get that? |
| 18:40.51 | Alumni | Gnea: What is too much money? |
| 18:40.52 | blal | Diego : Interesting. Are you able to run any KDE apps at the moment? This suggests that a working Qt library is installed. |
| 18:41.01 | abrotman_ | isn't 2.6.14 a big pile of broken code ? |
| 18:41.04 | Diego | Hold on and I'll try |
| 18:41.10 | Alumni | abrotman_: It is? |
| 18:41.34 | Alumni | abrotman_: What do you suggest? |
| 18:41.39 | fbi | isn't abrotman_ a big pile of stale cheesesteak rolls? |
| 18:41.39 | Gnea | Alumni: where do you see a "nobody cared" message? |
| 18:41.44 | Alumni | I need software suspend. |
| 18:42.11 | ohad | where is dpkg ? |
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| 18:42.14 | Diego | konsole just ran |
| 18:42.15 | fbi | !hi |
| 18:42.15 | dpkg | hello, fbi |
| 18:42.16 | Alumni | Gnea: When it tries to load the ide-cd module, and it tells me to try the irqpoll option. |
| 18:42.19 | Diego | Trying file manager now |
| 18:42.21 | fbi | right there. |
| 18:42.27 | Gnea | Diego: where? |
| 18:42.38 | Gnea | Alumni: is it a cd burner? |
| 18:42.42 | Diego | in kde |
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| 18:42.56 | nipra | Where can I see the error I'm getting while booting? file??? |
| 18:42.58 | Diego | File Manager did NOT start |
| 18:43.06 | Alumni | Gnea: No, just a 24X CD-ROM drive (UltraBay drive for my Thinkpad R30) |
| 18:43.11 | Diego | Oh, yes it did |
| 18:43.12 | pflanze | Hello. How do you create software raid arrays with 2.6 ? Doesn't mdadm work anmore? I want to delete an existing array (stemming from 2.4) and rebuild it with 2.6. |
| 18:43.14 | Gnea | nipra: dmesg or /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:43.17 | konfuzed | can anyone here tell me about using RIP for networks |
| 18:43.19 | Diego | Looked like it died, then it popped up |
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| 18:43.46 | Gnea | Alumni: weird, what about tuxmobile.org? |
| 18:43.54 | saloxin | konfuzed: check out quagga |
| 18:43.59 | blal | Diego : See if "libqt3c102" is installed (dpkg -l, paste only the last line) |
| 18:44.00 | Alumni | Gnea: I think the newer kernels don't work with it. |
| 18:44.04 | Diego | kk |
| 18:44.14 | Gnea | Alumni: have you even looked at that site? |
| 18:45.13 | Alumni | Gnea: Yes. |
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| 18:45.36 | ohad | hi, i got a new usb storage key. how doi format it? |
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| 18:46.02 | abrotman_ | format it with what ? |
| 18:46.22 | Alumni | I found http://www.uhoreg.ca/thinkpadr30linux.text, he says his CD-ROM worked with Kernel 2.6" |
| 18:46.33 | blal | ohad : I bet they shipped it pre-formatted with vfat. |
| 18:46.34 | Alumni | Not very specific. |
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| 18:46.46 | Alumni | I am using the 2.6.14 "vanilla" kernel.org kernel. |
| 18:46.51 | ohad | blal, probably. |
| 18:47.06 | Gnea | Alumni: so you compiled it? |
| 18:47.23 | ohad | abrotman_, i guess i want to format it so i can use it on a windows machine |
| 18:47.24 | Gnea | Alumni: is that sarge? |
| 18:47.29 | Diego | blal: sorry was called away, just a sec.. |
| 18:47.44 | ohad | blal, how do i format it for vfat? |
| 18:47.54 | basix | w00t debian rocks :). But I have a problem. Why is it taking so long for it to mount my nfs shares? |
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| 18:48.02 | ohad | blal, so it works with my windows machien after i load it with data? |
| 18:48.09 | Diego | blal: No packages found matching libqt3c102 |
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| 18:48.20 | Alumni | Gnea: I compiled it. |
| 18:48.29 | Eulex | Diego, etch? |
| 18:48.36 | Alumni | Gnea: Yeah, Sarge. |
| 18:48.36 | Diego | etch? |
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| 18:49.03 | Eulex | Diego, sarge/etch/sid? |
| 18:49.05 | Alumni | Maybe I should try a Debian kernel. |
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| 18:49.09 | Gnea | Alumni: reconfigure and put ide-cd in the kernel instead of a module, recompile |
| 18:49.17 | Eulex | Alumni, you should. |
| 18:49.20 | Alumni | Gnea: Yeah, I was thinking of that. |
| 18:49.22 | sanpedro | ohad: just mount it. it's ready to use |
| 18:49.29 | Gnea | Alumni: but yeah, you should be using the 2.6.8 kernel-source |
| 18:49.32 | Alumni | Eulex: What is the difference? |
| 18:49.39 | Gnea | Alumni: are you using udev? |
| 18:49.48 | Diego | blal: No packages found matching libqt3c102 |
| 18:49.52 | Gnea | on a laptop it's almost essential |
| 18:49.54 | blal | ohad : Yep. If you really wanted to put ext2 on there, I spose you could run mkfs... |
| 18:50.07 | abrotman_ | Alumni: if you don't know the difference between compiled-in and module .. why are oyu compiling a kernel ? |
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| 18:50.29 | Eulex | Alumni, they are preconfigured to work on as much hardware as possible. also, they've got debian-specific patches. |
| 18:50.34 | Alumni | abrotman_: I never said I didn't. |
| 18:50.44 | abrotman_ | you just asked what the difference was :) |
| 18:50.50 | Alumni | abrotman_: No. |
| 18:51.00 | abrotman_ | <Alumni> Eulex: What is the difference? |
| 18:51.00 | Alumni | abrotman_: You miss understood me. |
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| 18:51.12 | abrotman_ | Alumni: you're miss understood ? |
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| 18:51.35 | blal | Diego : *looking up a simple way to trace dependencies* |
| 18:51.44 | Diego | k |
| 18:51.47 | Alumni | abrotman_: I wanted to know why compiled-in would solve the problem. |
| 18:51.53 | Gnea | abrotman_: *I* told him he should build it in, Eulex didn't |
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| 18:52.06 | abrotman_ | that's it .. i'm going back to sysklogd! |
| 18:52.09 | Diego | I really can't understand why fwbuilder out want to destroy kde. |
| 18:52.19 | Gnea | abrotman_: syslog-ng ;) |
| 18:52.22 | Diego | out/would |
| 18:52.23 | Alumni | abrotman_: But I do understand the difference between compiled-in and modules. |
| 18:52.30 | abrotman_ | Diego: C++ ABI change .. |
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| 18:52.44 | Diego | English please? |
| 18:52.44 | BlindGlobe | can anyone remind me what the Debian "way-back" repository is? I need to find an archaic package. |
| 18:52.47 | basix | someone please help me out. Why are NFS Shares taking so long on my machine to get mounted?? |
| 18:52.53 | abrotman_ | Diego: old stuff don't work with new stuff :) |
| 18:52.56 | Gnea | !english |
| 18:52.56 | dpkg | methinks english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
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| 18:52.57 | Diego | kk |
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| 18:53.05 | Diego | How about installing older versions |
| 18:53.06 | abrotman_ | Diego: let me see if i can find a url |
| 18:53.09 | Diego | Or even newer |
| 18:53.14 | Diego | I get errors in make |
| 18:53.37 | Eulex | !sdn |
| 18:53.37 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 18:53.57 | abrotman_ | Diego: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/11/msg00002.html .. similar to that |
| 18:54.20 | blal | Diego : "dpkg -p package" will list a package's dependencies. "dpkg -S /dir/file" will list the package that contains a file. "which programname" will display the full path of a file. Use these to list the libqt* package upon which konqueror depends. |
| 18:54.34 | BlindGlobe | snapshot.debian.net --- perfect, thanks dpkg! |
| 18:54.38 | abrotman_ | Diego: that's my hunch anyways |
| 18:55.00 | Diego | When I try to compile fwbuilder-2.0.10 ./configure says: ARNING: icns.path is not defined: install target not created |
| 18:55.01 | phasegen | Can anyone help with a kppp problem? I can't get it to run with usr acct. it will only run as root. |
| 18:55.18 | Deepa | op me ;D |
| 18:55.23 | Deepa | i have one really good reason |
| 18:55.26 | Deepa | for asking to get op'ed |
| 18:55.33 | Deepa | i run... debian 3.1! |
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| 18:56.06 | abrotman_ | Deepa: that's the only reason ? |
| 18:56.18 | Deepa | abrotman_ i got another one too |
| 18:56.33 | Gnea | Deepa: are you serious? |
| 18:56.34 | Deepa | i run.... debian 3.1.... on my HOME COMPUTER! |
| 18:56.39 | Diego | When I try to compile fwbuilder-2.0.10 ./configure says: WARNING: icns.path is not defined: install target not created |
| 18:56.39 | Deepa | Gnea: yep |
| 18:57.01 | Diego | It runs qmake and says that |
| 18:57.03 | Gnea | Deepa: i shall be the first to inform you that if you continue this behavior, you will be permanently banned. |
| 18:57.09 | tonyrad | I've been having a small issue with my samba server lately I haven't been able to figure out. Basically, I'm trying to set it up so that I have a certain user who can access a certain file share. However, they can only access that level and not anything deeper. How do I change so they can access everything in that share? |
| 18:57.10 | Deepa | ok |
| 18:57.10 | abrotman_ | Deepa: are you kidding? .. Gnea runs it on 5,000 desktops .. he doesn't have ops |
| 18:57.22 | Gnea | yeah |
| 18:57.24 | Gnea | that's right |
| 18:57.26 | Deepa | abrotman_ so... if i install debian |
| 18:57.26 | Gnea | :) |
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| 18:57.30 | Deepa | on a millions of computer |
| 18:57.34 | Deepa | ill get op'ed!!! |
| 18:57.34 | Deepa | brb |
| 18:57.39 | abrotman_ | Deepa: you can have bill gates' job |
| 18:57.57 | Gnea | abrotman_: well, he's been warned. :) |
| 18:58.21 | abrotman_ | Gnea: somehow .. i doubt it's a punishable offense |
| 18:58.30 | Deepa | what is? |
| 18:58.33 | abrotman_ | Gnea: besides .. how many ops have you seen this weekend ? |
| 18:58.36 | Diego | Any idea what icns.path is all about? |
| 18:58.41 | Gnea | abrotman_: a few |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman_ | i saw .. one .. yesterday |
| 18:59.01 | abrotman_ | well .. one twice |
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| 18:59.08 | Deepa | there ARE op's in this channel too o0? |
| 18:59.10 | Gnea | abrotman_: people have been banned before simply by requesting ops |
| 18:59.24 | abrotman_ | Gnea: i know .. i've seen |
| 18:59.35 | sifi | how can I undo a mv operation done from a script 1 minute ago? Entire /* has been moved to /tmp/ |
| 18:59.47 | Diego | lol |
| 18:59.51 | Gnea | abrotman_: it's some serious shit, that person then becomes the black sheep of freenode |
| 19:00.09 | Gnea | abrotman_: a few channels later and bam, k-lined |
| 19:00.29 | Tortel | beinf k-lined is fun! |
| 19:00.35 | Tortel | :D |
| 19:00.35 | Eulex | sifi, umh.... ouch |
| 19:00.36 | Tortel | *being |
| 19:00.42 | Tortel | sifi, wtf? |
| 19:00.43 | Tortel | :P |
| 19:00.49 | tonyrad | sifi: How did you pull that off? |
| 19:00.57 | Tortel | mv /tmp/* / |
| 19:01.01 | Tortel | maybe? |
| 19:01.02 | Eulex | sifi, /tmp/bin/mv -r /tmp/* /*, eh? |
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| 19:01.05 | sifi | bash: /bin/mv: No such file or directory |
| 19:01.17 | abrotman_ | !pal sifi |
| 19:01.18 | blal | sifi : mv /tmp/bin /tmp/sbin /tmp/home /tmp/usr /tmp/var / |
| 19:01.20 | Gnea | chroot /tmp |
| 19:01.24 | Tortel | omg, i think your fucked... |
| 19:01.26 | Eulex | Tortel, remember, mv has been moved too :) |
| 19:01.26 | Tortel | badly |
| 19:01.28 | abrotman_ | no he's not |
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| 19:01.43 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.45 | blal | sifi : Bwahaha. /tmp/bin/mv |
| 19:01.46 | Tortel | well, it is an intersting mess... |
| 19:02.04 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.08 | Diego | Help |
| 19:02.16 | blal | Diego : Can you apt-get install aptitude ? It does a nice job of working with dependencies. |
| 19:02.18 | Gnea | that should restore at least the environment |
| 19:02.21 | Tortel | almost as bad as when I changed all files so that everyone could read/write to them |
| 19:02.22 | sifi | bash: /tmp/bin/mv: No such file or directory |
| 19:02.25 | Gnea | !rules |
| 19:02.27 | Diego | Will do, hold on |
| 19:02.28 | dpkg | i guess rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
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| 19:02.32 | Tortel | then bash complained when I did anything... |
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| 19:02.39 | Eulex | sifi, ouch. where is it then? |
| 19:02.41 | Gnea | Diego: people stop saying "help" |
| 19:02.48 | blal | Diego : If it's not compiling, you've got to work out which versions of which libs... Have you recently run apt-get update? |
| 19:02.53 | Gnea | s/people/please/ |
| 19:02.54 | sifi | Eulex, Can you pls check it out |
| 19:02.57 | takatumi | sifi: what do you have in /tmp? |
| 19:02.59 | Diego | I have yes |
| 19:03.01 | sifi | Eulex, I cant use find! |
| 19:03.17 | abrotman_ | sifi: did you chroot /tmp/ ? |
| 19:03.23 | Gnea | sifi: can you do the chroot? |
| 19:03.42 | Eulex | abrotman_, how would he be able to move the stuff outside the chroot then? |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman_ | you mean ... /tmp/bin/chroot /tmp/ ? |
| 19:03.45 | Gnea | sifi: when you installed, did you put everything on the same partition? |
| 19:03.54 | Gnea | abrotman_: yes |
| 19:03.54 | abrotman_ | Eulex: put them on mount points? .. copy them over ? |
| 19:04.01 | Diego | blal: 2.0.10 not compiling is something I can't find anywhere on the net |
| 19:04.06 | sifi | abrotman, bash: chroot: command not found |
| 19:04.10 | Eulex | abrotman_, true |
| 19:04.11 | takatumi | tmp/usr/sbin/chroot |
| 19:04.14 | abrotman_ | Eulex: see .. i have two brain cells to rub together! |
| 19:04.18 | Deepa | sifi: you got chroot? |
| 19:04.24 | sifi | Gnea, no |
| 19:04.32 | blal | Diego : Compilation errors are a pain. Best thing is to get a package installed. |
| 19:04.35 | sifi | Deepa, well on /tmp/ I |
| 19:04.41 | sifi | I'll try it |
| 19:04.48 | Gnea | sifi: what did you split your partitions into? |
| 19:04.54 | Diego | I'd love to let apt do it, if it wasn't looking to remove kde |
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| 19:05.08 | Tortel | kill kde, get gnome |
| 19:05.11 | Tortel | :) |
| 19:05.15 | Diego | die |
| 19:05.22 | FourierSeries | "FVWM!" |
| 19:05.27 | takatumi | kill 'em both with ratpoison. |
| 19:05.32 | csezol | What's the difference between the 180 mb and the 40 mb netinst cd images ? |
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| 19:05.42 | blondie | one's bigger than the other |
| 19:05.56 | Diego | Okay, how about this: I install fwbuilder 2.0.7 and let it kill kde and you guys help me get kde back?? |
| 19:05.57 | Eulex | csezol, one has a base system, the other hasn't |
| 19:05.58 | csezol | blondie, a bit evident. |
| 19:06.00 | abrotman_ | Gnea: i heard E17 is dying! |
| 19:06.02 | takatumi | csezol: the 40MB downloads the base as well. |
| 19:06.04 | csezol | Eulex, thanks. |
| 19:06.16 | mjk64 | After doing "aptitude install -PD manpages-dev", "man -w sleep" shows only sleep(1), but not sleep(3) (which is definitely installed). Shouldn't some kind of post-installation script automatically update the manpage database? |
| 19:06.16 | Gnea | abrotman_: there are some web glitches, but that's nothing new |
| 19:06.17 | abrotman_ | csezol: if you use the 40MB .. your NIC *must* work |
| 19:06.18 | csezol | takatumi, so debian has a 40 mb base ? |
| 19:06.18 | csezol | lol |
| 19:06.24 | csezol | my NIC ? |
| 19:06.28 | blondie | takatumi is confused ;) |
| 19:06.34 | abrotman_ | csezol: no .. the 40MB has only the installer .. it MUST download all the packages from the intarweb |
| 19:06.36 | csezol | blondie, right. |
| 19:06.45 | takatumi | csezol: that's probably just the kernel and the installer |
| 19:06.46 | abrotman_ | Gnea: when will it .. erm .. release ? |
| 19:06.55 | blal | Diego : aptitude will do a lot of the work. Your plan sounds good if you can do w/o KDE for a day or two (worst-case scenario). |
| 19:07.02 | takatumi | blondie: am I? |
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| 19:07.04 | abrotman_ | Gnea: of course . the really really sad part of this .. Enlightenment has a slower release schedule than Debian :) |
| 19:07.04 | Gnea | abrotman_: when it's...ready |
| 19:07.07 | Diego | WHy a day or two? |
| 19:07.20 | Tortel | because |
| 19:07.26 | Diego | Oh, I get you. Might not be so easy to egt it back.. |
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| 19:07.30 | Tortel | abroteman_ said so |
| 19:07.34 | Diego | :( |
| 19:07.35 | sifi | So what the hell am I doing |
| 19:07.43 | Diego | Talking in IRC |
| 19:07.46 | Gnea | abrotman_: and debian has spawned more sub-releases than any other distro, one of them dedicated to enlightenment :) |
| 19:07.48 | sifi | Where is chroot exactly, I cant use find |
| 19:07.56 | takatumi | sifi: don't run shell scripts as root. |
| 19:07.58 | Diego | aptitude is still installing |
| 19:08.01 | Tortel | how does IRC owrk if everything is in a different place sifi? |
| 19:08.09 | Tortel | *work |
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| 19:08.16 | Diego | locate chroot |
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| 19:08.23 | Eulex | sifi, if you had known where you had your mv and you files, it'd be easy. though it doesn't seem to be so. |
| 19:08.25 | takatumi | sifi: nothing in /usr/sbin/chroot? |
| 19:08.32 | sifi | Tortel, well not all is moved |
| 19:08.33 | Gnea | sifi: it's usually /usr/sbin/chroot |
| 19:08.45 | Gnea | sifi: where did it stop? |
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| 19:08.55 | FourierSeries | Restore-from-backup? |
| 19:08.59 | blondie | takatumi: well if you need to ask |
| 19:09.01 | Gnea | FourierSeries: heh |
| 19:09.10 | takatumi | blondie: right. |
| 19:09.12 | FourierSeries | Gnea: (sorry) |
| 19:09.19 | abrotman_ | Gnea: still .. slower than Debian |
| 19:09.19 | Gnea | FourierSeries: don't apologize to me :) |
| 19:09.25 | FourierSeries | lol |
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| 19:09.47 | blal | Diego : I gotta' run soon. Gameplan is this: Install fwbuilder; let apt break KDE; use aptitude to get everything working again. Push "b" in aptitude to go to the next "broken" package (one with unsatisfied dependencies). Push "g" to proceed and install stuff. |
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| 19:09.51 | kspath | find, locate, whereis are all useful tools for finding things |
| 19:09.52 | sifi | Gnea, I don't have it there |
| 19:10.16 | Diego | That's forien to me, but I'll try. Thanks m8 |
| 19:10.16 | Gnea | sifi: you at the prompt? type /<tab><tab> should show you what's still intact |
| 19:10.24 | Diego | Merry X-Mas |
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| 19:10.30 | Tortel | wha..? |
| 19:10.34 | sifi | Gnea, bash: /tmp/usr/sbin/chroot: No such file or directory even if the file is there |
| 19:10.34 | Tortel | its the 18th |
| 19:10.41 | Gnea | Diego: today's the 18th, not the 25th |
| 19:10.42 | Diego | I'll prolly never see him again |
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| 19:10.49 | sifi | Gnea, something is blocking me to use it |
| 19:10.49 | blal | later, everyone. Merry Holiday. Bwahaha. |
| 19:10.50 | FourierSeries | sifi: did it copy the directory structure exactly? |
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| 19:10.53 | emzed | hello people. I try to install use cups with my printer. I have installed cupsys, setting the good driver and configure it then I try to print a test page via localhost:631, but nothing happen, the test stay in the printer queue. Do you know what happens ? |
| 19:10.55 | Diego | And he was helping me, so I wish him well |
| 19:11.04 | Gnea | sifi: try /usr/sbin/chroot then |
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| 19:11.16 | Andrew|iBook | hello |
| 19:11.17 | ray | for a desktop machine... (playing games, surfing the web, downloading music) sid should be ok right? |
| 19:11.23 | Andrew|iBook | i am trying to install TCL |
| 19:11.33 | sifi | Gnea, well /usr/ lays in /tmp |
| 19:11.41 | takatumi | ray: if you can cope with the occassional fuck-up, then yeah. |
| 19:11.47 | Gnea | sifi: what else lays in /tmp? |
| 19:11.49 | Andrew|iBook | how do i start it up |
| 19:12.00 | emzed | I know my question is not really precise, but I don't know where to look for more information about my problem. I hope someone could help me :) |
| 19:12.01 | ray | takatumi: what have you ran into? |
| 19:12.08 | Eulex | sifi, maybe it needs some libs to do it? and it hasn't got access to those, right? |
| 19:12.28 | takatumi | ray: nothing major, but have heard stories. |
| 19:12.28 | ray | be right back |
| 19:12.35 | sifi | Gnea, everything except: dev, proc, sys, tmp |
| 19:12.46 | Gnea | sifi: oh *FUCK* |
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| 19:13.07 | sifi | Gnea, so Im kind of screwed for the moment |
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| 19:13.32 | FourierSeries | /tmp/bin/cp -r /tmp/bin / ( or some such) |
| 19:13.40 | takatumi | so you reboot and /tmp gets wiped too, inspector gadget. |
| 19:13.40 | Gnea | FourierSeries: it's not gonna work |
| 19:13.57 | Gnea | FourierSeries: no libc6 |
| 19:14.01 | Eulex | FourierSeries, he doesn't seem to be able to run any program at all. |
| 19:14.07 | FourierSeries | gnea: Ah. |
| 19:14.07 | FourierSeries | ... |
| 19:14.09 | Gnea | takatumi: no it won't |
| 19:14.29 | sifi | FourierSeries, bash: /tmp/bin/cp: No such file or directory |
| 19:14.31 | FourierSeries | gnea: Wow. Even "cp" or "mv" wont work? |
| 19:14.35 | takatumi | then use a liveCD and chroot |
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| 19:14.45 | Gnea | at this point in time, he can turn the system off - the worst that'll happen is he'll have to fsck the partitions |
| 19:14.59 | abrotman_ | sifi: try a liveCD .. |
| 19:15.06 | Gnea | sifi: do you have a cdburner on another system? |
| 19:15.12 | abrotman_ | Gnea: duh .. the system won't boot .. won't be able to find the kernel |
| 19:15.25 | sifi | abrotman, thats one way, but Im sure there is another to restore everything |
| 19:15.30 | Gnea | abrotman_: exactly. the data will just sit there |
| 19:15.33 | abrotman_ | and even still .. if he were to boot it .. /tmp/ gets cleaned on boot |
| 19:15.40 | FourierSeries | sifi: so under your /tmp dir looks like : /bin /etc /omfg /usr and so on? |
| 19:15.53 | sifi | abrotman, cheses, youre right |
| 19:15.54 | Gnea | sifi: listen - have you ever used DSL (DamnSmallLinux)? |
| 19:16.35 | sifi | Gnea, no, but the partitions with work and storage is not moved, lucky me |
| 19:16.40 | Alumni | I added the irqpoll option so the kernel boots with irqpoll. |
| 19:16.58 | sifi | Gnea, but of course, I want to restore everything |
| 19:17.04 | Eulex | sifi, boot DSL, mount partition, move stuff back |
| 19:17.06 | Gnea | sifi: it's a 50meg distro, you can reboot the system to a cd with it and mount the partitions and move the data back to the proper places in less than 1 hour |
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| 19:17.23 | Gnea | !dsl |
| 19:17.23 | dpkg | hmm... dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
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| 19:18.07 | mjk64 | How do I update the man database (the Debian way)? "man -w sleep" will only find sleep(1), but not sleep(3), which is also installed. |
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| 19:18.29 | Gnea | mjk64: mandb |
| 19:18.44 | mjk64 | Gnea: Thanks! |
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| 19:19.17 | mjk64 | Gnea: Btw. shouldn't mandb be called automatically after installing new man pages? |
| 19:19.27 | nkuttler | mjk64: i think you misunderstood the -w option |
| 19:19.33 | sifi | abrotman, is /tmp/ being flushed at the next boot or when linux switch to runlevels on shutdown? |
| 19:19.35 | mjk64 | nkuttler: w000t? Never! |
| 19:19.35 | Gnea | mjk64: probably |
| 19:19.54 | mjk64 | nkuttler: Okay, explain, please! :-} |
| 19:20.08 | Gnea | sifi: listen, you don't even HAVE a system anymore, there is NOTHING there, there is no way for it to know HOW to clean /tmp out |
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| 19:20.21 | Gnea | sifi: you basically disconnected the brain from the body |
| 19:20.22 | nkuttler | mjk64: it shows the file that would be displayed, not all available |
| 19:20.25 | elirips | hi people. what is the default runlevel of debian? |
| 19:20.30 | Gnea | sifi: and ripped the spinal cord out with it |
| 19:20.35 | sifi | Gnea, But I can chat, se chat chat chat |
| 19:20.47 | mjk64 | nkuttler: D'oh! |
| 19:20.47 | nkuttler | mjk64: that's what my (german) man page says |
| 19:20.54 | Alumni | !cable |
| 19:20.56 | Gnea | sifi: that's because the process is still running in memory |
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| 19:21.00 | sifi | Gnea, so mv /* /tmp/ crash a linux system? |
| 19:21.04 | Gnea | sifi: once you reboot that's it, it's gone |
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| 19:21.12 | FourierSeries | elirips: 2 IIRC - otherwise 5 if using "X" |
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| 19:21.18 | Gnea | sifi: yes. |
| 19:21.22 | mjk64 | nkuttler: Hmm ... but wasn't there such an option that displayed all possible matches? |
| 19:21.23 | elirips | FourierSeries: thank you. |
| 19:21.30 | Gnea | sifi: but it's recoverable |
| 19:21.34 | sifi | Gnea, not if Im booting the drive from another cpu |
| 19:21.43 | Alumni | sifi: mv /tmp/* / |
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| 19:21.49 | Gnea | sifi: it doesn't matter |
| 19:21.51 | mjk64 | nkuttler: Apart from "man -k <keyword>", of course |
| 19:21.52 | Gnea | Alumni: no. |
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| 19:21.57 | FourierSeries | elirips: Mine runs at "2" -- i then use "startx" to get into me WM. |
| 19:22.04 | ray | im back |
| 19:22.24 | ray | i needed to come back to debian... gentoo was too much nonsense |
| 19:22.38 | nkuttler | mjk64: dunno, when unsure i use -a |
| 19:22.54 | Tortel | !kill me |
| 19:22.58 | Tortel | ow |
| 19:23.08 | Gnea | fatality! |
| 19:23.12 | mjk64 | nkuttler: Ahaa! At least something =) |
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| 19:24.03 | mjk64 | nkuttler: Got it! "man -f" is what I was looking for! |
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| 19:24.31 | munzir | Sirs, what's the corresponding command to rpm -qf in debian? |
| 19:24.36 | mjk64 | nkuttler: But then again, it doesn't work on my Debian PC, only on SuSE ... hmm ... gotta run mandb now ... |
| 19:24.44 | emzed | nobody can answer me about my problem with cups ? |
| 19:25.02 | Gnea | emzed: there's a problem? |
| 19:25.12 | pumpkin0 | munzir: what does rpm -qf do ? |
| 19:25.12 | ray | hmm something is wrong with my fstab |
| 19:25.12 | emzed | Gnea: yes ;) |
| 19:25.13 | psychonate | Do I need to specify the "--initrd" option with make-kpkg, if I'm just making the modules_image? I'm guessing no. |
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| 19:25.19 | FourierSeries | munzir: been a while - what does the -qf switch do? |
| 19:25.21 | emzed | hello people. I try to install use cups with my printer. I have installed cupsys, setting the good driver and configure it then I try to print a test page via localhost:631, but nothing happen, the test stay in the printer queue. Do you know what happens ? |
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| 19:25.49 | ray | emzed: are you in kde? |
| 19:25.59 | Gnea | emzed: are you in the lp group? try configuring and test it with foomatic-gui |
| 19:26.11 | emzed | ray: yes, but I don't think that's related |
| 19:26.50 | munzir | FourierSeries, pumpkin0: when given a path/to/filename it gives the package name |
| 19:26.53 | emzed | Gnea: I'm in lp group, but since I use the web frontend, I'm logged as root, so it shouln't be a permission problem, I think |
| 19:26.57 | ray | emzed: well ... i had the same problem... i could get it to set up and print no problem in gnome.. but the same thing happened as you when i tried it in kde |
| 19:27.08 | ray | emzed: so im not sure |
| 19:27.09 | mjk64 | nkuttler: Okay, after a manual "mandb" (for whatever reason it is not automatically), "man -f sleep" lists both sleep(1) and sleep(3) now. Perfect! =) |
| 19:27.23 | Gnea | emzed: again, try foomatic-gui |
| 19:27.38 | emzed | Gnea: if I look at 'ps aux', I can tell that process are running |
| 19:27.44 | emzed | Gnea: ok, I try foomatic-gui |
| 19:27.46 | psychonate | nvm, failed to build the lirc modules anyway :( |
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| 19:28.18 | pumpkin0 | munzir: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-search.en.html#s-apt-file |
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| 19:28.27 | takatumi | psychonate: try module-assistant |
| 19:28.30 | emzed | ray: I'm not using kde to set my printers, I use the web frontend via localhost:631 ;) |
| 19:28.40 | FourierSeries | munzir: whut he said ... |
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| 19:29.05 | ray | emzed: oh... sorry |
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| 19:29.53 | psychonate | takatumi, well, I'm trying to use make-kpkg to create a package, per the Debian' readme's instructions. |
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| 19:30.01 | emzed | Gnea: lol, to install foomatic-gui, I have to install 55 packages ... |
| 19:30.02 | psychonate | takatumi, but it fails. |
| 19:30.14 | Gnea | emzed: good :) |
| 19:30.18 | takatumi | psychonate: m-a prepare && m-a a-i lire is all it takes. |
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| 19:30.27 | sifi | Gnea, FourierSeries Eulex Alumni : Everything is restored tnx to BearPerson in #bash, he told me to run: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/lib /tmp/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/bin/mv /tmp/* / |
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| 19:30.44 | FourierSeries | sifi: cool |
| 19:30.53 | takatumi | psychonate: s/lire/lirc :) |
| 19:30.55 | sifi | FourierSeries, yeah |
| 19:30.59 | ray | sid seems to be pretty useable |
| 19:30.59 | Gnea | sifi: oh NICE |
| 19:31.01 | FourierSeries | now, about those backups ... |
| 19:31.11 | Eulex | sifi, think I'll try to remember that thing |
| 19:31.22 | sifi | FourierSeries, 4 days ago I restored 200GB of a movie collection with testdisk to =) |
| 19:31.31 | FourierSeries | ;-) |
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| 19:31.40 | munzir | pumpkin0, FourierSeries: $ ls -l /etc/apache2/httpd.conf; dpkg -S httpd.conf |
| 19:31.40 | munzir | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 268 2005-12-09 08:04 /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 19:31.41 | munzir | dpkg: *httpd.conf* not found. |
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| 19:31.57 | sifi | everyone! if you ever do: mv /* /tmp/ restore it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/lib /tmp/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/bin/mv /tmp/* / |
| 19:32.17 | psychonate | takatumi, if this does not work. I will try that. I just wanted to do it this way, because it is the method recommended by the debian-specific readme heh |
| 19:32.23 | ray | !marillat |
| 19:32.23 | dpkg | i guess marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 19:32.28 | Gnea | !mvup |
| 19:32.29 | dpkg | somebody said mvup was <sifi> everyone! if you ever do: mv /* /tmp/ restore it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/lib /tmp/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/bin/mv /tmp/* / |
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| 19:32.30 | ke6isf | !tell munzir -about flood |
| 19:32.38 | mae | how do i extract a .deb to see the files inside |
| 19:32.44 | Gnea | sifi :) |
| 19:32.47 | pumpkin0 | munzir: you are missing some local DBs. run apt-get update |
| 19:32.49 | munzir | heanol, 3 lines are flood here? |
| 19:32.54 | pumpkin0 | mae: ar x fil.deb |
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| 19:33.25 | munzir | pumpkin0, ok I will do but why you said so? |
| 19:33.25 | takatumi | !mvtmp is if you ever do: mv /* /tmp/ restore it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/lib /tmp/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/bin/mv /tmp/* / (it works, sifi will vouch for it.) |
| 19:33.26 | dpkg | okay, takatumi |
| 19:33.27 | sifi | Gnea, whats !mvup for? |
| 19:33.32 | mae | pumpkin0: thanks :) |
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| 19:33.46 | Gnea | "move up" |
| 19:33.52 | takatumi | Gnea: gah |
| 19:33.58 | sifi | !mvup |
| 19:34.00 | dpkg | methinks mvup is <sifi> everyone! if you ever do: mv /* /tmp/ restore it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/lib /tmp/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/bin/mv /tmp/* / |
| 19:34.05 | takatumi | dpkg: forget mvtmp |
| 19:34.06 | dpkg | i forgot mvtmp, takatumi |
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| 19:34.12 | sifi | Gnea, lol =) |
| 19:34.16 | pumpkin0 | munzir: because my setup finds that file w/o problems. |
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| 19:34.19 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 19:34.32 | BrainDamage | hello, i have one little problem. i changed mount point of cdrom device, and synaptic can't recognize device (cd), i tried to return old mount point, but, unsuccesfuly...same again message (can't moun cd...) |
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| 19:35.03 | Gnea | BrainDamage: where did you change it? |
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| 19:35.11 | ray | apt-get is fast |
| 19:35.17 | BrainDamage | in fstab |
| 19:35.21 | munzir | pumpkin0, would it be silly if i told you this ubuntu and not debian but I thought they would be the same |
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| 19:35.33 | BrainDamage | Gnea, in fstab |
| 19:35.35 | BrainDamage | Gnea, :) |
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| 19:35.40 | ray | ubuntu is not the same |
| 19:35.42 | pumpkin0 | !utuntu |
| 19:35.48 | pumpkin0 | !ubuntu |
| 19:35.48 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 19:35.56 | Gnea | BrainDamage: have you considered changing it back? :) |
| 19:36.09 | munzir | pumpkin0, ;) |
| 19:36.46 | pumpkin0 | munzir: but i should work anyway... apt has not changed that much... |
| 19:37.14 | Nastyclown | ... |
| 19:37.14 | BrainDamage | Gnea, yes, ofcourse, but...i have deleted "link", but i don't know to turn it back |
| 19:37.29 | Gnea | BrainDamage: what 'link'? |
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| 19:37.36 | deadcat | pumpkin0: debian and ubuntu is like an escort and a cheap hooker. |
| 19:37.42 | munzir | pumpkin0, yes this is what I expected. |
| 19:37.42 | emzed | Gnea: it works with foomatic-gui, thanks ;) |
| 19:37.51 | Gnea | emzed: :) |
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| 19:38.28 | BrainDamage | Gnea, i am not sure, when i deleted folder "/cdrom", there was also something like "@cdrom" and i deleted it |
| 19:38.32 | pumpkin0 | deadcat: they didn't really change a lot, they just use newer and untested packages. |
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| 19:38.59 | BrainDamage | Gnea, i think that is a link, but...i don't know what it links |
| 19:39.02 | deadcat | pumpkin0: i doubt that. dont say that unless you are 100% sure. "they didnt really change a lot" |
| 19:39.03 | Gnea | BrainDamage: is there a /media folder? |
| 19:39.03 | pumpkin0 | BrainDamage: post the line in fstab you have changed |
| 19:39.26 | BrainDamage | Gnea, yes, ofcourse, there is a /media |
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| 19:39.55 | Gnea | BrainDamage: how many /media/cdrom* folders\links are there? |
| 19:40.08 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, dev/hda/media/dvdrwudf,iso9660ro,users,noauto,uid=1000,gid=100000 |
| 19:40.14 | BrainDamage | Gnea, one moment |
| 19:40.35 | pumpkin0 | BrainDamage: do you have a folder called /media/dvdrw ? |
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| 19:40.47 | munzir | pumpkin0, I tried asking in ubuntu but can't find an answer to this somewhat generic question. i will appreciate your help if possible |
| 19:40.56 | BrainDamage | Gnea, there are 2 folders /cdrw and /dvdrw and probably no links |
| 19:40.57 | munzir | pumpkin0, munzir@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l |grep hda5; mount |grep hda5 |
| 19:40.57 | munzir | /dev/hda5 33571 45765 6146248+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 19:40.57 | munzir | /dev/hda5 on /media/fedora-usr type ext3 (rw) |
| 19:41.04 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, ofcourse |
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| 19:41.49 | munzir | pumpkin0, sorry I didn't guess this would make 3 lines ;) |
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| 19:41.57 | Gnea | BrainDamage: does this return anything: ps axf | grep udev |
| 19:42.01 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, the device is working ok, but synaptic can't recognize device |
| 19:42.03 | sifi | BrainDamage, do you listen to BrainDamage? |
| 19:42.04 | pumpkin0 | munzir: FAT32 ... ? |
| 19:42.16 | BrainDamage | sifi, what??? |
| 19:42.18 | munzir | pumpkin0, yes I also wonder how come fat32 and ext3!! |
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| 19:42.20 | BrainDamage | Gnea, one moment |
| 19:42.29 | pumpkin0 | BrainDamage: try "cd /media"; "ln -s cdrom dvdrw" |
| 19:42.30 | munzir | pumpkin0, which one is lying? |
| 19:42.50 | psychonate | eh, I think I may have run into a bug :( |
| 19:43.15 | pumpkin0 | munzir: fdisk is lying. That's not a problem, that is just a wrong partitiontyp set in the partition table. |
| 19:43.17 | psychonate | lirc-modules-source won't build |
| 19:43.19 | BrainDamage | Gnea, 382 ? S<s 0:00 udevd |
| 19:43.20 | BrainDamage | 10992 pts/1 S+ 0:00 \_ grep udev |
| 19:43.29 | psychonate | my error matches up with this one: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org/msg31881.html |
| 19:43.31 | gokiburi | is there possible to install debian using flash usb drive as boot device? |
| 19:43.39 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, one moment |
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| 19:43.58 | sifi | BrainDamage, the group, my drug neighbours have a group called BrainDamage |
| 19:44.02 | munzir | pumpkin0, so where the bug lies? who is responsible of this? |
| 19:44.06 | pumpkin0 | gokiburi: yes, but i don't recommand it. |
| 19:44.38 | pumpkin0 | munzir: the installer didn't change the partitiontype. use cfdisk to correct this |
| 19:44.39 | Diego | Okay, what does broken packages mean, generally |
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| 19:45.06 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, but, what's is "cdrom"??? folder??? |
| 19:45.16 | Eulex | Diego, that something went wrong when installing or removing it. |
| 19:45.26 | elirips | hello. i have some problems installing matlab on my debian sarge: if i try to run the matlab start-script, i get '/usr/local/bin/matlab: line 796: /usr/local/matlab7/bin/bin/util/arch.sh: No such file or directory'. maybe someone knows what goes wrong? |
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| 19:45.44 | munzir | pumpkin0, ok thanks i will try but would this destroy the data? |
| 19:45.49 | pumpkin0 | BrinaDamage: cdrom will be a link to dvdrw. since dvdrw is a folder, it will be seen as folder too. |
| 19:45.52 | sifi | BrainDamage, Different devices sign different directories in /media/ if your kernel is told to do so |
| 19:46.06 | BrainDamage | sifi, ok |
| 19:46.21 | pumpkin0 | munzir: if you do it right... but make a backup first. |
| 19:46.21 | Diego | Okay, well..I've installed fwbuilder and it's removed kde, as promised. What night I have to do to fix my broken packages when reinstalling kde? |
| 19:46.27 | sifi | BrainDamage, used at auto mount |
| 19:46.47 | munzir | pumpkin0, ok and thanks a lot |
| 19:47.44 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, again same problem, "E: Failed to mount the cdrom." |
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| 19:48.22 | tonyrad | I'm trying to set it up so that I have a certain user who can access a file share. However, they can only access that level and not anything deeper. Anybody know how I can change it so they can access everything in that share? |
| 19:48.25 | tonyrad | *That is a samba share btw, sorry. |
| 19:49.05 | silvinho | basically look at the permissions of the directory structure with ls -lh |
| 19:49.09 | pumpkin0 | BrainDamage: do you now have a file called /media/dvdrw/cdrom or /media/cdrom ? |
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| 19:49.48 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, a file??? i have a directory /media/cdrom |
| 19:49.54 | gokiburi | elirips: don't you try to simply edit /usr/local/bin/matlab and correct 796 line to correct location? |
| 19:50.23 | pumpkin0 | BrainDamage: post the output of "ls -la /media/cdrom" |
| 19:50.29 | tonyrad | Duh.. Thanks silvin |
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| 19:50.33 | sifi | BrainDamage, mount -t iso9660 /de/hdc /mnt/ ? |
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| 19:50.55 | sifi | BrainDamage, s/de/dev/ |
| 19:51.10 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, total 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-12-18 20:49 .drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2005-12-18 20:49 .. |
| 19:51.19 | BrainDamage | total 8 |
| 19:51.19 | BrainDamage | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-12-18 20:49 . |
| 19:51.19 | BrainDamage | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2005-12-18 20:49 .. |
| 19:51.22 | blondie | SPAM |
| 19:51.28 | BrainDamage | :))) |
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| 19:51.53 | BrainDamage | blondie, sorry |
| 19:52.01 | blondie | ^.^ |
| 19:52.09 | pumpkin0 | BrainDamage: errr, sorry, post the output of "ls -la /media/ | grep cdrom" |
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| 19:52.20 | elirips | gokiburi: i am trying to do so. but why is the matlab-startup-script not getting it right? |
| 19:52.21 | kesh | hi, i have problems with card via82xx, alsa packages are installed modules are loaded but cant increase pcm and master volume in alsamixer :( |
| 19:52.30 | blondie | pumpkin0: BUT NOT HERE |
| 19:52.34 | blondie | well |
| 19:52.42 | pumpkin0 | nlondie: is' |
| 19:52.43 | blondie | maybe if it's only one line :P |
| 19:52.49 | pumpkin0 | ... |
| 19:52.54 | blondie | what? |
| 19:52.55 | dvs | kesh: Unmute then using the "M" under the appropriate slider |
| 19:53.06 | kesh | yes they are unmuted! |
| 19:53.10 | pumpkin0 | blondie: it should only be one line. |
| 19:53.21 | pumpkin0 | kesh: running KDE and arts ? |
| 19:53.21 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-12-18 20:49 cdrom |
| 19:53.35 | kesh | running sarge, gnome |
| 19:53.38 | psychonate | takatumi, module-assistant failed to build lirc-modules-source also (with the same error as make-kpgk). I believe there is a bug with the lirc-modules-source package. |
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| 19:54.39 | dvs | kesh: Heck, use alsamixergui then |
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| 19:55.18 | pumpkin0 | BrainDamage: argh. OK, remove that folder. change to /media and run "ln -s dvdrw cdrom" and "ln -s dvdrw cdrom0" |
| 19:55.20 | kesh | i have tryed all mixers and pcm and master like locked |
| 19:55.21 | takatumi | psychonate: #342573 bugs.debian.org |
| 19:55.23 | kesh | :( |
| 19:55.34 | kesh | this is strange |
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| 19:55.58 | pumpkin0 | kesh: run "lsof | grep /dev/dsp" Anything interessting ? |
| 19:56.03 | dvs | kesh: lsmod | grep via82 |
| 19:56.07 | sussudio | lobico: don't do that in here. |
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| 19:56.17 | sussudio | whois lobico |
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| 19:56.35 | sussudio | rimaatards |
| 19:56.46 | KungPhoo | I have a fstab entry for my usb-hdd. Works nice. However, I have to type "mount /mnt/USBHDD" by hand. What can I do to make it work at plug-in time? |
| 19:56.47 | psychonate | takatumi, that is a different error though; this one matches mine: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org/msg31881.html |
| 19:56.50 | phasegen | I there a guide for new debian users that covers all the basic configuation tasks in an easy-to-use newbie dumbass sort of way???? |
| 19:56.52 | kesh | there is nothing on lsof |grep /dev/dsp |
| 19:56.56 | evilbulgarian | hi, is there something i can do to clean up debian's init process its really messy especially when loading modules and is there a nice tool to manage what daemons start at boot ? |
| 19:57.02 | sussudio | !install guide |
| 19:57.04 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 19:57.05 | takatumi | psychonate: no fix? |
| 19:57.12 | pumpkin0 | kesh: OK, try "lsof | grep sound" |
| 19:57.15 | psychonate | takatumi, none listed at least :( |
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| 19:57.28 | kesh | nothing there too |
| 19:57.33 | dvs | kesh: lsmod | grep via82 |
| 19:57.44 | phasegen | I've tried that guide, and it doesn't fit the criteria |
| 19:57.45 | takatumi | psychonate: dump the remote for a few days then. :) |
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| 19:57.58 | kesh | lsmod |grep via82 geave me loaded modules |
| 19:57.59 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, everything is ok now, i made folder /cdrom and linked it, and everything is ok now!!! |
| 19:58.01 | psychonate | takatumi, I already put it off for a few months :( |
| 19:58.05 | Samooka | Afternoon |
| 19:58.08 | BrainDamage | pumpkin0, thank you very much!!!!! |
| 19:58.13 | kesh | snd-via82xx etc.. |
| 19:58.19 | Diego | google428tree |
| 19:58.27 | psychonate | takatumi, this fella posted this error on the ninth of november :( |
| 19:58.28 | pumpkin0 | BrainDamage: np. |
| 19:58.32 | dvs | kesh: Hmmm... that weird then. I don't know what it can be. |
| 19:58.51 | Samooka | anyone can help me figure out why my SATA-HD and onboard ethernet port are not recognized by debian-installer? |
| 19:59.05 | kesh | ok i will keep searching.... thanks |
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| 19:59.09 | dvs | Samooka: The kernel for sarge is too old. |
| 19:59.10 | Samooka | I am using Asus K8U-X with AMD64 |
| 19:59.13 | pumpkin0 | kesh: go to /dev and search for mixer. What permisson does it have ? |
| 19:59.24 | dvs | Samooka: Which chipset do you have? |
| 19:59.28 | Shadowcat | Samooka: you're not using debian amd64 are you? |
| 19:59.29 | Samooka | dvs: any tips? anything I can do? |
| 19:59.30 | psychonate | I am sorry to say that it appears debian has failed me today :( |
| 19:59.37 | kesh | permissions of /dev/mixer are fine |
| 19:59.38 | takatumi | psychonate: which version of lirc? |
| 19:59.42 | pumpkin0 | kesh: can you try as root ? |
| 20:00.03 | dvs | Samooka: Use the testing installer? |
| 20:00.04 | brox | Samooka: either what dvs said or if it isnt try modprobe sata_x where the x depends on your mobo (should work if your kernel is >= 2.6) |
| 20:00.08 | phasegen | I there a guide for new debian users that covers all the basic configuation tasks in an easy-to-use newbie dumbass sort of way???? I am ignoring dpkg because I've tried that guide, and it doesn't fit the criteria. |
| 20:00.14 | psychonate | takatumi, 0.7.1pre2-2 |
| 20:00.18 | diana | I am using sarge...and I want the latest "lftp" but it needs certain libraries...so I changed my sources.list and I did apt-get update; and now I did apt-get install lftp; but I'm not sure if this will break my stable system... |
| 20:00.23 | kesh | ok will try, but i think that is other problem |
| 20:00.24 | dvs | brox: No, 2.6.8 is not new enough |
| 20:00.32 | diana | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 20:00.32 | diana | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.32 | diana | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 20:00.32 | diana | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.42 | pumpkin0 | kesh: have you tried "aumix" ? |
| 20:00.46 | brox | diana: dont |
| 20:00.58 | diana | brox: How can I get the latest lftp? |
| 20:01.00 | Samooka | dvs: downloaded the iso file from debian.org last week |
| 20:01.04 | Samooka | debian netinst |
| 20:01.20 | dvs | Samooka: I talking about the current testing (etch) CD |
| 20:01.31 | Diego | Can someone help me to install kde? |
| 20:01.34 | pumpkin0 | diana: mixing stable and unstable is not the best way. but it should work. |
| 20:01.38 | dvs | !kde |
| 20:01.38 | dpkg | kde is, like, a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 20:01.40 | Samooka | dvs: what is that? |
| 20:01.46 | takatumi | psychonate: 0.7.1pre2-11 just broke here as well. |
| 20:01.49 | diana | I need an ftp client with a protocol extension called PRET...and the lftp with sarge doesn't support it. |
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| 20:02.05 | pumpkin0 | diana: try ncftp ? |
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| 20:02.11 | dvs | Samooka: It's the CD make from the current testing image (not the stable one) |
| 20:02.15 | Samooka | dvs: the file I am using as a boot cd is debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:02.18 | psychonate | takatumi, is that the unstable version? |
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| 20:02.23 | takatumi | psychonate: yes |
| 20:02.24 | Samooka | seems like the stable version, right? |
| 20:02.27 | dvs | Samooka: that is sarge, not testing |
| 20:02.28 | diana | pumpkin0: I'll try that. |
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| 20:02.41 | psychonate | takatumi, hmm |
| 20:02.50 | kesh | aumix says that volume is up |
| 20:02.57 | psychonate | takatumi, wonder if the stable version works |
| 20:03.12 | takatumi | psychonate: your on stable? |
| 20:03.16 | psychonate | takatumi, no, testing |
| 20:03.25 | sifi | !mvup |
| 20:03.25 | dpkg | somebody said mvup was <sifi> everyone! if you ever do: mv /* /tmp/ restore it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/lib /tmp/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/bin/mv /tmp/* / |
| 20:03.28 | kesh | but cant change it |
| 20:03.47 | takatumi | psychonate: I had done this a few months ago, worked fine, didn't have any hardware to test though. :) |
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| 20:03.58 | pumpkin0 | kesh: running out of idea's here. |
| 20:04.06 | dvs | Samooka: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 20:04.07 | psychonate | takatumi, did that version fail for you with the same error that I received: "mv: cannot stat `drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko': No such file or directory" ? |
| 20:04.14 | kesh | oks thanks |
| 20:04.15 | rue_mohr | anyone recall the name of that program for finding optimal package servers? |
| 20:04.17 | Samooka | dvs: debian-32-amd64-binary-1.iso? |
| 20:04.33 | Diego | No answer in that channel |
| 20:04.46 | psychonate | takatumi, oh, when you did it before, was it with the same version of lirc? |
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| 20:05.01 | deadcat | i am trying to share my desktop printer with my laptop via cups. know a good howto? |
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| 20:05.04 | psychonate | takatumi, maybe it is a problem with compatibility with the newer kernels? |
| 20:05.05 | dvs | Samooka: debian-testing-amd64-binary-1.iso |
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| 20:05.26 | Samooka | dvs: that will have the appropriate drivers? |
| 20:05.36 | dvs | Samooka: yes |
| 20:05.52 | pumpkin0 | rue_mohr: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-netselect |
| 20:05.55 | Shadowcat | psychonate: besides the fact that they're broken you mean? |
| 20:06.06 | Samooka | dvs: another question: that will take advantage of my amd64 64-bit functionalities? |
| 20:06.14 | rue_mohr | funny, thought I had it installed |
| 20:06.20 | dvs | Samooka: That image will, yes |
| 20:06.26 | Samooka | dvs: i mean, what is the difference between amd64 and i386? |
| 20:06.37 | Shadowcat | Samooka: if you don't know |
| 20:06.41 | Shadowcat | you really don't need to know |
| 20:06.50 | psychonate | Shadowcat, :( |
| 20:06.52 | dvs | you know |
| 20:06.55 | pumpkin0 | Samooka: about 5 MB |
| 20:07.01 | dvs | pffftt |
| 20:07.18 | Shadowcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.25 | Shadowcat | * Topic is 'FUCKED: yaird/kernels (#343042/#343048), hwclock (#342887) | UNFUCKED: make 3.80+3.81.b3.1-1 | g++ transition: http://xrl.us/idqt' |
| 20:07.26 | psychonate | OK, well it is a recognized bug apparently: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338286 |
| 20:07.41 | Samooka | brb |
| 20:07.46 | Shadowcat | let's see what else we manage to break today |
| 20:07.52 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:07.52 | dpkg | <ananke> erps : here. let me rub my crystal ball. <erps> ananke, awesome, can I borrow that? :) <ananke> erps : nope. company policy, we can't give away our crystall balls. <erps> ahhh :( But I assume you let special people rub them for you? <ananke> erps : you're not that special |
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| 20:09.12 | Samooka | dvs: thank you very much |
| 20:09.41 | dvs | Samooka: no problem |
| 20:09.50 | pumpkin0 | Any good programm to spilt mpegs in debian ? |
| 20:09.55 | psychonate | Shadowcat, would I be able to use an older version succesfully? Do I need to catch you in #debian-devel to ask you this? |
| 20:09.59 | Samooka | Shadowcat: will I sense any performance difference using i386 x amd64? |
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| 20:10.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:10.45 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 20:11.21 | pumpkin0 | Samooka: yes. Use i586 or k7 if you want amd64-like performance w/o the problems related to 64bit |
| 20:11.23 | Samooka | Shadowcat: or the difference is only noticeable for someone doing CFD or 3D rendering... |
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| 20:11.48 | sifi | Samooka, yes, workload on any AMD64 chip (Athlon 64 or Opteron) takes 12 stages, on Intel it takes up to 30 |
| 20:12.01 | Eulex | pumpkin0, mpgtx? |
| 20:12.15 | Samooka | pumpkin0, sifi: thank you very much! |
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| 20:12.33 | sifi | Samooka, and thats even on Intel Xeon based on Netburst |
| 20:13.03 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: thx, will try that |
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| 20:13.28 | diana | Can I dist-upgrade from testing to sid? |
| 20:13.47 | dvs | diana: If you have to ask, I wouldn't do it. |
| 20:13.53 | diana | lol |
| 20:14.02 | dvs | diana: funny but true |
| 20:14.02 | diana | I used sid for like a year. |
| 20:14.03 | ke6isf | !iyhtays diana |
| 20:14.03 | dpkg | diana: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 20:14.24 | pumpkin0 | Arg... any good programm to split MPEG 4 in debian |
| 20:14.30 | diana | I'm on stable now...but this software is too old. |
| 20:14.38 | sifi | pumpkin0, split |
| 20:14.41 | diana | There are too many features I don't have with the newer versions. |
| 20:14.42 | dvs | diana: Why not testing? |
| 20:14.45 | diana | So I wanted to try testing. |
| 20:14.45 | ke6isf | !tell pumpkin0 -about repeat |
| 20:14.52 | psychonate | pumpkin0, what container? |
| 20:14.55 | psychonate | pumpkin0, AVI? |
| 20:15.04 | diana | dvs: Well if I use testing...I want to know if I can go to sid. |
| 20:15.05 | pumpkin0 | diana: search about apt-get update & apt-get upgrade & apt-get dist-update |
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| 20:15.24 | dvs | diana: You can but look at the topic |
| 20:15.33 | pumpkin0 | psychonate: avi, created with mencoder and lavc |
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| 20:15.42 | psychonate | pumpkin0, sure, shouldn't be too hard. |
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| 20:16.11 | psychonate | pumpkin0, I used to use 'avisplit' a lot; it's a command line tool that is part of the transcode package afaik |
| 20:16.16 | diana | k, I'm going to dist-upgrade from sarge to etch now. |
| 20:16.20 | psychonate | pumpkin0, for a GUI: try avidemux |
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| 20:17.05 | psychonate | pumpkin0, avisplit is quicker/more convenient, but didn't always work with all of my AVIs |
| 20:17.29 | pumpkin0 | psychonate: i will install both and test them later. |
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| 20:17.56 | _bl4ckb1t_ | hi guys |
| 20:18.07 | psychonate | pumpkin0, sounds good. I recommend avisplit first ;) |
| 20:18.07 | _bl4ckb1t_ | i have a question, i'm using firefox, what have i do for protect my profile with password?, because i need some privacy for mi profile |
| 20:18.32 | diana | 819 upgraded, 126 newly installed, 63 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 20:18.32 | diana | Need to get 664MB of archives. |
| 20:18.35 | ke6isf | _bl4ckb1t_: Is this a public terminal? |
| 20:18.35 | diana | hehe, wish me luck. |
| 20:18.42 | Dwonis | Does anybody know why you can't dpkg-divert a directory? |
| 20:18.46 | sifi | _bl4ckb1t_, Profiles? |
| 20:18.49 | deadcat | diana: did you get slim yet? we have x86 and ppc packages |
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| 20:18.58 | diana | deadcat: yea I used checkinstall |
| 20:19.02 | diana | And I got my themes working and all. |
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| 20:19.14 | ke6isf | sifi: Probably passwords, bookmarks, usage preferences, that sort of thing. |
| 20:19.20 | diana | deadcat: So now that my system is stable and working flawlessly...I'm going to install testing and try and break it again. |
| 20:19.28 | deadcat | diana: let me see the themes. i am just using a gentoo-cow image right now (= |
| 20:19.35 | deadcat | hhahah |
| 20:19.43 | deadcat | diana: need some screenshots |
| 20:19.48 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: What is it you need to protect, exactly? |
| 20:19.55 | diana | deadcat: I just got the themes from slim.berlios.com and I dumped them in /usr/share/slim/themes |
| 20:19.58 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: Saved passwords? |
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| 20:20.11 | diana | deadcat: Then change your /etc/slim.conf line, to whatever directory in /usr/share/slim/themes you want. |
| 20:20.11 | sifi | ke6isf, I know, It was a suggestion |
| 20:20.17 | pumpkin0 | psychonate: thx. avisplit has accepte the file and seems to do something. |
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| 20:20.36 | diana | deadcat: http://slim.berlios.de/themes01.php |
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| 20:20.40 | deadcat | diana: ya i know. i was saying what theme you using |
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| 20:20.41 | ke6isf | sifi: Ah, OK. |
| 20:20.48 | _bl4ckb1t_ | eye69: the profile |
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| 20:20.57 | deadcat | diana: ah. those themes sucks (= |
| 20:21.05 | sifi | ke6isf, but I can't find it either in linux, in windows it's easy |
| 20:21.12 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: But _what_ in the profile? |
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| 20:21.36 | ke6isf | sifi: That's probably because in Linux, the account you use is generally your own. |
| 20:21.46 | sisixsisi | guys whats the IRC command to list the channels ? |
| 20:22.01 | enveezee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:22.06 | sifi | ke6isf, exactly, so how does root manage useraccounts for firefox? |
| 20:22.08 | deadcat | how do i share a cups printer from my desktop to laptop? cant find shit online |
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| 20:22.09 | dvs | enveezee: too easy |
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| 20:22.15 | tsume | lw |
| 20:22.20 | tsume | oops |
| 20:22.24 | ray | does anybody know what the wxpython package is called? |
| 20:22.28 | enveezee | dvs: oh well thats the first thing I've said in here in what? two weeks? |
| 20:22.29 | ke6isf | sifi: Root doesn't manage user accounts *for firefox*, root just manages user accounts. |
| 20:22.39 | dvs | ;-) |
| 20:22.39 | dpupp | could someone tell me how to get a BusID of a video card i have installed on a pci slot? |
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| 20:22.46 | enveezee | dvs: and thats only because I am drunk and not at home. |
| 20:22.48 | Eulex | dpupp, lspci |
| 20:22.54 | _bl4ckb1t_ | eye69: i need insert a password before the firefox run |
| 20:22.56 | Dwonis | sifi: You *can* run "firefox -ProfileManager", but that seems a little goofy to do in Linux. |
| 20:22.58 | sifi | ke6isf, then his problem is solved =) |
| 20:22.58 | dvs | dpupp: leave it blank for X installl |
| 20:23.02 | enveezee | dvs: was looking for some random advice.. but its not really on-topic here |
| 20:23.08 | Dwonis | sifi: I don't know if that has passwords, though. |
| 20:23.09 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: lspci -v -v -v |
| 20:23.10 | sifi | Dwonis, agree |
| 20:23.21 | dvs | enveezee: So are most of the people in here. ;-) |
| 20:23.24 | enveezee | dvs: looking for a kids game and debian doesnt seem to have anything suitable |
| 20:23.38 | enveezee | dvs: for really young kids under 2 |
| 20:23.42 | _bl4ckb1t_ | eye69: when i click in the profile |
| 20:23.59 | dvs | enveezee: From Debian, yeah, good luck |
| 20:24.02 | ray | does anybody know what the wxpython package is called? |
| 20:24.09 | Dwonis | enveezee: doomlegacy is in non-free ;) |
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| 20:24.13 | deadcat | ray: apt-cache search wx python |
| 20:24.15 | Eulex | !tell ray about search |
| 20:24.16 | dvs | ha! |
| 20:24.19 | enveezee | dvs: there was this old dos game my brother played when he was real young.. you pressed any key and it would do something, like show letters or peel a banana or something |
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| 20:24.27 | deadcat | aint nobody share cups with lan machjines? |
| 20:24.33 | enveezee | dvs: dont remember what it was called or how to find it |
| 20:24.42 | enveezee | dvs: random googling is hurting |
| 20:24.48 | dpupp | is this a busID? im asking because in my xorg, when i compare my working agp card's busid with the bus id lspci is reporting, they dont match. |
| 20:24.56 | chapium | anyone here familiar with making bootable usb sticks with syslinux? |
| 20:24.58 | dpupp | Is this valid busID: 0000:01:0a.0 |
| 20:25.01 | dvs | enveezee: You got me too. Never heard of such a beast. |
| 20:25.34 | sisixsisi | abrotman_: sendmail channel is answering now |
| 20:25.48 | enveezee | dvs: I could emulate it in dosbox if I had to.. the kid slamms on the keyboard.. so it would be good if I can find something, anything that does something that will amuse a kid at any keypress.. so he can learn more how to interact with such a device instead of how to abuse it |
| 20:25.48 | Dwonis | aint: You're trying to share a printer over the LAN using CUPS? |
| 20:25.50 | deadcat | sunday sucks in here. |
| 20:26.05 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: Since you're not answering my question I'm not going to help you. |
| 20:26.05 | ke6isf | !always sunday |
| 20:26.06 | dpkg | Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian. |
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| 20:26.13 | enveezee | dvs: thats the only program I have ever seen that can handle a young child |
| 20:26.25 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: no, busid is shorter |
| 20:26.30 | sisixsisi | but i need help following their guru help |
| 20:26.30 | sisixsisi | hehe |
| 20:26.35 | _bl4ckb1t_ | eye69: i need that firefox ask me a password before i enter with my profile |
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| 20:27.03 | Dwonis | _bl4ckb1t_: The best thing to do is to create a completely separate user account for yourself. |
| 20:27.12 | deadcat | Dwonis: yes |
| 20:27.13 | dpupp | :( |
| 20:27.36 | deadcat | Dwonis: i cant find anything on the net because they are all linux and WINDOWS. i just need linux to linux |
| 20:27.37 | dpupp | where else can i look for a busID? |
| 20:27.37 | Dwonis | _bl4ckb1t_: Password or not, anyone can just read the files in $HOME/.mozilla to see your bookmarks, history, etc. |
| 20:27.40 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: Example: (II) RADEON(0): [drm] created "radeon" driver at busid "pci:0000:01:00.0" |
| 20:27.41 | enveezee | if I have a program that does something even semi entertaining on any keypress I can teach a young kid to use a pc and press one key at a time and get a desired respose instead of just smacking the keyboard trying to pretend he's emulating the adults |
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| 20:27.48 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: The profile contains a number of things, such as saved passwords, themes, bookmarks... |
| 20:28.02 | dpupp | pumpkin0, 0000:01:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0326 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 20:28.04 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: Is there anything specific in the profile that you need the privacy for? |
| 20:28.12 | Dwonis | deadcat: I've used CUPS for linux-to-linux |
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| 20:28.18 | enveezee | tuxtype is the closest thing in debian, and its too difficult to keep a young child's attention very long because its reaction to keypresses is limited |
| 20:28.33 | sisixsisi | does any one knows how to use a packet filter to prevent a user from using a certain port |
| 20:28.33 | sisixsisi | ? |
| 20:28.33 | deadcat | Dwonis: how that work? |
| 20:28.43 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: do you have a PCI or AGP or PCIe Card ? |
| 20:28.52 | psychonate | Since lirc-modules-source 0.7.1pre2-2 won't build (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338286), what should one use in the meantime? |
| 20:28.53 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: only one local user? |
| 20:28.55 | dpupp | i have both, a pci and an AGP... |
| 20:28.59 | sisixsisi | yes |
| 20:29.02 | sisixsisi | local user |
| 20:29.06 | sisixsisi | apache user |
| 20:29.14 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: its possible, set it up today in fact with shorewall |
| 20:29.22 | ohad | is there an app that does checkdisk like in windows for fat32/vfat on linux? |
| 20:29.24 | dpupp | pumpkin0, im trying to do a tri-monitor set up... but im having complications which im not sure how to solve：（ |
| 20:29.27 | _bl4ckb1t_ | i did that, but, i need a password for my profile, i don't want that anybody enter with my profile exceptly me |
| 20:29.34 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: XXXX:01 should be AGP, XXXX:00 is PCI |
| 20:29.35 | enveezee | I might have to hack something.. it would be a good way for young kids all to learn to interact with technology |
| 20:29.38 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: I don't know the raw iptables command for it though. module is ipt_pwner |
| 20:29.39 | Dwonis | deadcat: CUPS supports it natively. Once you've installed it, edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and add some "Allow From" lines to the appropriate places, and also look at the "BrowseAddress" lines. |
| 20:29.46 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: *ipt_owner |
| 20:29.55 | bbrazil | ohad: fsck.vfat iirc |
| 20:29.59 | Dwonis | deadcat: If it's all on the same LAN, the other machines with CUPS installed should simply *see* the new printer. |
| 20:29.59 | deadcat | Dwonis: ok |
| 20:30.03 | sisixsisi | bbrazil: is that a command ? |
| 20:30.07 | bier | hi guys, i have a problem with the 'flashplugin-nonfree' package... there are no fonts in all the swf clips and in the 'settings'- dialog of the plugin... any hints? |
| 20:30.13 | Dwonis | deadcat: If browsing doesn't work, you can add the printer manually to the other clients |
| 20:30.16 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: no, a kernel module |
| 20:30.32 | sisixsisi | omg, not that guru here bbrazil |
| 20:30.39 | Dwonis | deadcat: You'd use an IPP URL like ipp://gando.dlitz.net:631/printers/hplj3015 |
| 20:30.48 | sisixsisi | what i need to do, to set that restriction |
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| 20:31.07 | sisixsisi | kernel module sounds like chinese to me |
| 20:31.13 | deadcat | Dwonis: ah. maybe i didnt put the /printers/blah. but how do i know the /printers/blah? |
| 20:31.39 | enveezee | bier: thats a real difficult question to answer... all that package does is fetch the package from the internet and/or install it from a local file. so its completly outside the debian realm |
| 20:31.41 | Dwonis | deadcat: "blah" is the name of the print queue on the print server. |
| 20:31.44 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: install and configure shorewall, then put the line in 'rules' |
| 20:31.49 | deadcat | Dwonis: i cant seem to http://hades:631 from the laptop. i allowed it already |
| 20:31.51 | Dwonis | deadcat: See /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 20:31.53 | deadcat | ah |
| 20:31.57 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: If you have your own account, nobody but you can access that profile anyway. Just make sure that nobody but you can login to the account. |
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| 20:32.19 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: this has the iptables example http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6091 |
| 20:32.34 | Dwonis | deadcat: but you *should* be able to browse to http://hades:631/ (assuming hades is the print *server*) from any of the client machines. |
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| 20:32.56 | bier | enveezee: i knew that, but i was hoping that there are other people who solved this problem somehow... |
| 20:32.58 | dpupp | so my pci card busID would be: 0000:01:0a.0 (actually 01:0a.0) right? |
| 20:32.59 | deadcat | Dwonis: i need to get that working then |
| 20:33.13 | sisixsisi | ok, thank you bbrazil |
| 20:33.17 | sisixsisi | will get into that now |
| 20:33.19 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: There is no general profile password since that's not the correct place to put security. |
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| 20:33.40 | Dwonis | deadcat: If you think everything else is right, you *might* have some firewall rules set up. Try iptables -L to see if anything is listed. |
| 20:33.43 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: i'm not 100% sure... |
| 20:33.49 | enveezee | bier: I would believe you have a better chance asking google about font problems with flash in linux.. I've never seen this problem and its not even close to debian-specific |
| 20:34.00 | deadcat | Dwonis: firewall doesnt block my LAN. maybe config problem |
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| 20:34.11 | dpupp | im so worried im going to mess up my xorg.conf :( |
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| 20:34.38 | dpupp | im sure im not the only who has ever set up tri-monitor. maybe i picked a bad video card :( |
| 20:34.39 | Dwonis | deadcat: When you change /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, you have to restart cups for the changes to take effect. (invoke-rc.d cupsys restart) |
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| 20:34.51 | deadcat | ya |
| 20:34.53 | _bl4ckb1t_ | eye69: everybody can enter in firefox with my profile, only clicking in my profile, i don't want it |
| 20:35.06 | bbrazil | _bl4ckb1t_: firefox has a master password thingy to protect your passwords |
| 20:35.08 | dpupp | is it possible to have 2 video cards running under linux? |
| 20:35.17 | zero-1 | excuse me is any of you guys working with mono right now? |
| 20:35.17 | _bl4ckb1t_ | everybody can access to "firefox -p" |
| 20:35.18 | dvs | dpupp: Yes |
| 20:35.23 | Tortel | its possible |
| 20:35.24 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: yes. no problem with that |
| 20:35.29 | Tortel | everything is possible |
| 20:35.37 | Tortel | but some things area just hard |
| 20:35.44 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: Are you running Linux? |
| 20:36.01 | ohad | bbrazil, how do i stop the fsck.vfat -a /dev/sda2 in the middle ? is that possible? |
| 20:36.04 | Coweater | _bl4ckb1t_: if you want security then make seperate user accounts and don't leave yours logged in, also check permissions on your home directories |
| 20:36.13 | bbrazil | ohad: jsut Crtl-c it |
| 20:36.27 | ohad | bbrazil,tried that. doesn't stop |
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| 20:36.29 | bier | enveezee: google didn't help, thank you anyway ;> |
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| 20:36.36 | zero-1 | can I makre class return type functions with mono? |
| 20:36.36 | bbrazil | ohad: you got a failing HDD? |
| 20:36.44 | pumpkin0 | ohad: don't abort it whie it is changing stuff. That really hurts the system |
| 20:36.55 | ohad | bbrazil, well.. it's ticking a bit |
| 20:37.04 | _bl4ckb1t_ | eye69: no, this is for a friend, he have win XP |
| 20:37.05 | deadcat | Dwonis: should i edit /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf? |
| 20:37.11 | bbrazil | ohad: does dmesg show errors? its possible that its stuck in kernel mode |
| 20:37.14 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: This is #debian, damnit. Don't ask that here. |
| 20:37.19 | pumpkin0 | ohad: ps aux => search the pid => kill -9 <pid> |
| 20:37.25 | ke6isf | _bl4ckb1t_: Why are you asking in here then? |
| 20:37.33 | Dwonis | deadcat: eh? /etc/cups/cups.d ? Are you running Debian? |
| 20:37.33 | ohad | pumpkin0, ok. but i didn't run it with l option so i ma not sure where it is located |
| 20:37.34 | eye69 | _bl4ckb1t_: Ask in #firefox |
| 20:37.39 | deadcat | Dwonis: ya |
| 20:37.45 | ohad | pumpkin0, yes. i know about kill. i just don't want to mess it up |
| 20:38.21 | _bl4ckb1t_ | eye69: thanks |
| 20:38.53 | Dwonis | deadcat: Ah, you might have a newer version of cups than I so. I don't know anything about ports.conf, but my guess is "probably" |
| 20:39.10 | enveezee | bier: well I am actually about to install it on this pc fresh sarge install, to try something I ran across looking for a game.. so I will at least see if I can reproduce any such error :P |
| 20:39.21 | deadcat | Dwonis: k |
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| 20:40.14 | bier | enveezee: i solved the problem, gsfonts-x11 package was missing... |
| 20:40.27 | Dwonis | deadcat: It looks like you can configure these values by using "dpkg-reconfigure cupsys" |
| 20:40.35 | Dwonis | deadcat: according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-printing/2005/12/msg00033.html |
| 20:40.40 | deadcat | k |
| 20:40.48 | pumpkin0 | ohad: for the next run: create a copy using dd or dd_rescue and only make chances in that copy. So the original stay intact |
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| 20:41.06 | pflanze | How do you create software raid1 devices using a 2.6 kernel? # mdadm -C -l 1 -n 2 /dev/md/9 /dev/hda9 missing => mdadm: error opening /dev/md/9: No such file or directory |
| 20:41.17 | levander | Anyone know how to verify if this is a Barracuda 7200.7? http://www.circuitcity.com/rpsm/oid/118283/rpem/ccd/productDetailReview.do#tabs |
| 20:41.19 | ohad | pumpkin0, ok. thanks |
| 20:41.20 | pflanze | same with /dev/md9 or md9 |
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| 20:41.25 | enveezee | bier: was that listed in the package depends or suggests somewhere? |
| 20:41.56 | enveezee | bier: shows it as recommends for me so it shouldnt be needed |
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| 20:42.24 | bier | enveezee: i had no fonts/texts without it... |
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| 20:42.53 | robak | How can i change my console resolution ?? |
| 20:43.01 | jrthegoob | how do i configure my network settings such as turning off dhcp and using a static ip |
| 20:43.06 | enveezee | bier: hmm I will test that theory sometime see if I get that issue.. if so then that should not be recommends it should be depends |
| 20:43.08 | robak | for example 1024x768 |
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| 20:43.19 | dvs | jrthegoob: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:43.48 | erfrfe | hello all |
| 20:43.50 | jrthegoob | dvs, then run ifdown then run ifup |
| 20:43.51 | pumpkin0 | levander: ask www.seagate.com => Barracuda 7200.7 Plus or Barracuda 7200.7 SATA |
| 20:43.52 | bier | enveezee: okay, thank you |
| 20:44.00 | dvs | jrthegoob: yup |
| 20:44.37 | hammerabi | jrthegoob: /msg dpkg man 5 interfaces |
| 20:44.41 | hammerabi | gives you a short summary |
| 20:44.49 | jrthegoob | dvs, i dont see in the man how to include a nameserver |
| 20:44.57 | erfrfe | i've just installed xfce and e17 but when i do a startx, it runs xfce... how do i change it so it runs e17 instead ? |
| 20:45.05 | dvs | jrthegoob: that's /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:45.07 | Dwonis | dvs: And if you're logged in remotely, be careful with ifdown and ifup :) |
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| 20:45.43 | dvs | Dwonis: Oh yeah. /etc/initrd/networking restart is better |
| 20:45.45 | enveezee | I think I may have found that game.. I think it may have been written in basic or something.. if I do find it I will probably port it to linux.. its a hell of a game for kids |
| 20:45.50 | sifi | Dwonis, yes, only scripts can make a clients survive that |
| 20:46.05 | jrthegoob | whats up flush-mail going to do for me |
| 20:46.09 | Dwonis | dvs / sifi: Of course, if you make a typo in /etc/network/interfaces, you're just as screwed, I think. |
| 20:46.10 | levander | pumpkin0: I'm looking on seagate.com now, can't find anything specific |
| 20:46.10 | sisixsisi | bbrazil |
| 20:46.21 | sisixsisi | i think i just fked it up |
| 20:46.29 | pumpkin0 | levander: enter www.seagate.com => find a drive => enter ST3120026 |
| 20:46.30 | sisixsisi | where can i delete the last rule i made for iptables |
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| 20:46.42 | sisixsisi | any conf file ? |
| 20:46.45 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: that depends where you added it |
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| 20:46.54 | sifi | Dwonis, yes it will problaby not bring up that interface then |
| 20:47.09 | sisixsisi | OUTPUT chain ... is that what you meant ? |
| 20:47.27 | sifi | sisixsisi, #iptables |
| 20:47.29 | bbrazil | sisixsisi: do a iptables -L, and get the rule number, then -D it |
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| 20:47.40 | sisixsisi | ok |
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| 20:48.01 | jrthegoob | how my come my info doesnt allow me to follow links in the man pages |
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| 20:48.31 | levander | pumpkin0: that search box you're talking about, it says my drive is a 7200.7, if I take the final RK off the model number. Guess I have to figure out what RK means. |
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| 20:48.34 | dpupp | Ok, back.... glad my xorg didnt mess up.... but i think i need to fix my vid card not being reconized first before i get it set with tri-monitor. here's my current problem if someone would kindly look over it. I'd really appreciate the help. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105425 |
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| 20:49.03 | sisixsisi | ok, i can see the rule i just added, but that command aint telling me any number |
| 20:49.08 | bier | enveezee: in the readme of the flashplayer packege from macromedia's website i found this: NOTE: Macromedia Flash Player requires two font packages |
| 20:49.08 | bier | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.17 | Dwonis | !ubuntu dpupp |
| 20:49.18 | pumpkin0 | levander: "retail". It's packed for being sold in retail |
| 20:49.25 | Thaiger | I'm trying to install pymusique, but apt-get says its broken because it can't find libxml2-python2.3, is this different from python2.3-libxml2? |
| 20:49.29 | sisixsisi | that command shows the rules, but not the numbers for each rule |
| 20:49.34 | Dwonis | !ubuntu |
| 20:49.34 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 20:49.42 | levander | pumpkin0: okay, cool, guess I found the drive to replace the hard drive that failed today, thanks |
| 20:49.44 | jrthegoob | what does the up flush-mail line do in the /etc/networking/interfaces file doe |
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| 20:49.52 | hammerabi | sisixsisi: -vv |
| 20:49.52 | dpupp | dwonis, i have been seeking help in ubuntu for the last 3 1/2 hours. :( |
| 20:49.56 | deadcat | Dwonis: i give up |
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| 20:50.01 | hammerabi | jrthegoob: it's not there by default |
| 20:50.01 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 20:50.01 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 20:51.08 | jjazz | I think acpi is borking my network interface. How can I find out if acpi is active? Thanks. |
| 20:51.09 | Vantage__ | has there been a revision release of debian stable in the last few days? |
| 20:51.09 | dpupp | whoa... my bad, ubuntu being debian based, i thought maybe someone would know or be willing to help. sorry if i made you mad dpkg. wow.... |
| 20:51.12 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: you are missing one kernel-module for the PCI-device. |
| 20:51.21 | hammerabi | jjazz: less /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:51.26 | jjazz | hammerabi, thank you |
| 20:51.28 | hammerabi | dpupp: this is not an ubuntu support channel, sorry |
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| 20:51.46 | hammerabi | dpupp: especially since your question would have different answers on debian and ubuntu |
| 20:52.29 | pumpkin0 | dpupp: and "dpkg" is a bot, not a real person. It just answers to commands starting with ! |
| 20:52.32 | sifi | should I avoid to run scripts as root? |
| 20:52.42 | Dwonis | pumpkin0: shhh |
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| 20:52.53 | Eulex | dpupp, but wouldn't you need some lines in xorg.conf for the third monitor, btw? |
| 20:52.55 | dpupp | k.. .well, im heading out. i dont mean to be a disturbance. |
| 20:53.10 | Dwonis | dpupp: try #xorg |
| 20:53.12 | jvw | sifi: depends, if possible yes |
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| 20:53.16 | dpupp | i would think so... but im not sure what to add. |
| 20:53.21 | dpupp | will try that. thanks fellows. |
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| 20:53.52 | jvw | sifi: but if it's simple or it needs root, and it's really a system script, it doesn't hurt -- how you program it and how well the script is written is very important to consider |
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| 20:54.28 | Dwonis | deadcat: what does "netstat -t -n | grep :631" show? |
| 20:54.47 | Dwonis | deadcat: I mean "lsof -n -i :631" |
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| 20:54.58 | mrpen | Hi, I was wondering why make-kpkg is not making an initrd.img . am I missing something? |
| 20:54.59 | sifi | jvw, yes, but system scripts is ok to run as root if one have full control over them, right? |
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| 20:55.13 | Dwonis | deadcat: or "netstat -t -n -l | grep :631" (sorry) |
| 20:55.13 | dvs | mrpen: the --initrd option |
| 20:55.16 | jvw | sifi: yes, system scripts often need to run as root too |
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| 20:55.29 | dvs | mrpen: But that should be in the .deb file it created |
| 20:55.30 | mrpen | dvs, it's really that simple? |
| 20:55.56 | bucky | mrpen, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 20:55.57 | Dwonis | mrpen: If you're lucky, yes. |
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| 20:56.03 | dvs | mrpen: Well, you have to put the names of the modules in a /etc/initrd file or something like that ( I don't use initrd) |
| 20:56.13 | jvw | sifi: just make sure they are owned by root and in a root-writeable-only directory too |
| 20:56.19 | jvw | sifi: like somewhere in /etc, or in /root |
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| 20:56.25 | sifi | jvw, but say, I have maded a script to download the latest kernel, should root avoid to use it because it uses internet connection (lynx -dump)? |
| 20:56.36 | mrpen | dvs, ok, I'll try that now |
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| 20:56.47 | jvw | sifi: that's typically the type of script you should run as a user, not root |
| 20:57.07 | Dwonis | sifi: It depends on how paranoid you are. |
| 20:57.07 | jvw | sifi: like in your own crontab, to put it somewhere in your own homedrive |
| 20:57.19 | diana | Which is more stable...sid or etch? |
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| 20:57.26 | jvw | diana: etch |
| 20:57.29 | Dwonis | sifi: I say if it *can* run as non-root, it should. |
| 20:57.35 | jvw | diana: but only sarge is really 'stable' |
| 20:57.38 | hammerabi | etch changes less |
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| 20:58.15 | sifi | Dwonis, but lynx as root, how dangerous can it be? |
| 20:58.21 | jvw | lynx -dump should be fairly safe, so not really a problem running it as root, I'd say |
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| 20:58.39 | pumpkin0 | sifi: root = no seatbelds. |
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| 20:58.50 | sifi | pumpkin0, =) |
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| 20:58.58 | Dwonis | sifi: Well, it all depends on whether or not lynx has any remotely-exploitable bugs when you're using 'lynx -dump'. Frankly, I can't answer that. |
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| 20:59.43 | sifi | Dwonis, well exploits shows up from time to time so I get your point |
| 20:59.44 | Dwonis | sifi: There are riskier things, but there's really no harm in creating a new user. |
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| 21:00.02 | goron | Is it possible for a make program to be non-terminating? |
| 21:00.26 | Dwonis | sifi: Note that exploits for the *kernel* show up as well, as well as many local-root exploits in other programs, so you're really not 100% secure anyway, even if you *do* create another account, but it helps lower the risk. |
| 21:00.42 | diana | Is testing still being updated...like if new software comes out? |
| 21:00.44 | pumpkin0 | goron: kill -9 will end everything. |
| 21:00.44 | ke6isf | raitchev: Now, why did you just ctcp version the entire channel? |
| 21:00.53 | dvs | diana: yes |
| 21:00.54 | raitchev | ke6isf, why not? |
| 21:00.55 | goron | pumpkin0: That's not what I asked. |
| 21:01.03 | diana | When will etch become stable? |
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| 21:01.13 | sifi | Dwonis, and it helps to keep-security-in-sight =) |
| 21:01.16 | Eulex | diana, wir and siyh |
| 21:01.18 | hammerabi | raitchev: please don't do that |
| 21:01.25 | dvs | diana: No definite time but they are aiming for Dec 2006 |
| 21:01.30 | ke6isf | raitchev: Because it's rude and we don't like it. |
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| 21:01.36 | raitchev | okay okay |
| 21:01.38 | raitchev | i'm sorry |
| 21:01.43 | pumpkin0 | goron: yes, "make" can be recursive and non-terminating. If you don't stop it |
| 21:01.50 | Dwonis | raitchev: use CTCP PING instead ;) |
| 21:01.53 | diana | dvs: When do you think it will be released? |
| 21:01.56 | sisixsisi | guys any ideas how to use file permissions to prevent apache user to use sendmail ? |
| 21:02.01 | ke6isf | Dwonis: Don't encourage him. |
| 21:02.04 | bizkit | if i have 2 shares on the same machine, each share on another harddisc and i mount both shares on a remote client, what will happen when i move files from one share to another? has the data to travel through the client or will it stay a 'local' move on the server, with the client just as a control connection? |
| 21:02.11 | bizkit | (samba) |
| 21:02.12 | dvs | diana: July 2007 ;-) |
| 21:02.12 | goron | pumpkin0: I am asking since it's non-terminating on some software I had the idea was pretty good work. |
| 21:02.30 | diana | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:02.30 | diana | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.30 | diana | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:02.33 | Dwonis | ke6isf: sorry, it just seems kinda harmless to me. (I didn't even notice until you guys pointed it out). But I agree that it's rude. |
| 21:02.36 | pumpkin0 | bizkit: it will traveal all the way |
| 21:02.39 | diana | I got this when doing dist-upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 21:02.43 | goron | pumpkin0: So either my make build is broken (unlikely) or they have made an error(probably somewhat more likely, but still unexpected) |
| 21:02.45 | diana | apt-get isn't running anymore what do I do? |
| 21:02.57 | goron | (since they have nightly builds) |
| 21:02.58 | Eulex | diana, the real error comes before that. |
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| 21:03.18 | Yp3rite | hi i need help my debian don't want to start again someone can help me ? |
| 21:03.21 | diana | Eulex: Unpacking libslang2 (from .../libslang2_2.0.5-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 21:03.24 | ke6isf | Dwonis: No worries. Just that in the case of PING it's more of a diagnostic - and many clients also show a "received ping &c" message. |
| 21:03.26 | diana | Is the line before that. |
| 21:03.36 | Eulex | diana, that's not an error. |
| 21:03.39 | pumpkin0 | goron: make can take some time. let it run overnight.. or some of you -dev-packages are "broken" |
| 21:03.41 | hammerabi | diana: you need to read the ufll output of apt; somewhere along the line udev will complain |
| 21:03.43 | streuner | diana: show us the full error |
| 21:03.46 | streuner | diana: stop |
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| 21:03.53 | streuner | diana: /msg dpkg paster |
| 21:03.55 | hammerabi | diana: presumably about the kernel version being too old |
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| 21:04.22 | diana | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/469343 |
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| 21:04.47 | diana | I do'nt know where the error was...but when I do 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' now I get his. |
| 21:04.48 | goron | pumpkin0: Well, I let it run over two hours already. And I already used the debug flag). It certainly was in a loop. |
| 21:05.08 | goron | pumpkin0: The whole software should compile in a few hours. |
| 21:05.14 | diana | Can I just remove gnome...I use fluxbox anyway. |
| 21:05.18 | diana | Will that fix it? |
| 21:05.26 | streuner | !info gnome-volume-manager etch |
| 21:05.48 | dpkg | gnome-volume-manager: (GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 908 kB |
| 21:05.48 | Dwonis | diana: A lot of times when things are screwy, I use aptitude to poke around until the conflict is resolved. |
| 21:05.48 | hammerabi | diana: that's fine, as long as you've done 'apt-get update' lately |
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| 21:05.55 | pumpkin0 | goron: if make is having a problem it will update some files over and over again. (KDE takes 2 DAYS to compile) |
| 21:06.07 | Eulex | diana, we need to know the error you got before. the one that ended with "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 21:06.10 | streuner | diana: show us your sources.list too |
| 21:06.26 | goron | pumpkin0: but then make calls programs... |
| 21:06.27 | Dwonis | diana: and /etc/apt/preferences, if you have one |
| 21:06.29 | Eulex | diana, your problems lie with udev, not gnome (which depends on udev through hald) |
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| 21:07.10 | jr | anybody know why lynxing to www.google.com gives Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request. |
| 21:07.26 | Yp3rite | hi here i need help, i can't start my debian, block on the screen debian after the identification |
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| 21:07.36 | pumpkin0 | jr: try wap.google.com |
| 21:07.45 | _Norris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.46 | _Norris_ | _Norris_ wenas |
| 21:07.46 | _Norris_ | _Norris_ querria saber |
| 21:07.46 | _Norris_ | _Norris_ por que al intentar hacer una imagen con qemu |
| 21:07.46 | _Norris_ | _Norris_ me da un error |
| 21:07.46 | _Norris_ | _Norris_ ejecuto --> qemu-img create -f qcow . 4G |
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| 21:07.48 | Kovecses | Yp3rite: whats the exact error? |
| 21:07.58 | diana | ok, I removed gnome and nautilus and gnome-core |
| 21:08.03 | jr | wap.google.com gives the same error |
| 21:08.08 | diana | But I still get an error about hotplug.... http://pastebin.com/469351 |
| 21:08.09 | jr | i can use firefox though |
| 21:08.13 | diana | Should I manually install hotplug? |
| 21:08.28 | Yp3rite | Kovecses, i don't have error |
| 21:08.35 | streuner | diana:no |
| 21:08.39 | streuner | diana: remove udev |
| 21:08.40 | Yp3rite | after the identification my debian it's block on the screen |
| 21:08.48 | streuner | diana: apt-get remove udev |
| 21:08.48 | Kovecses | where can I find the boot messeges?? the ones that come after dmesg? |
| 21:08.50 | Yp3rite | Kovecses, the screen debian appear and after nothing ... |
| 21:08.53 | diana | streuner: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Kl6gkm79.html |
| 21:08.57 | pumpkin0 | jr: lynx www.google.com works here... |
| 21:09.17 | Gnea | diana: if you're kernel is less than 2.6.12 then udev isn't going to work (etch or unstable) |
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| 21:09.22 | diana | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:09.22 | diana | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.22 | diana | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.27 | pumpkin0 | jr: are you behind proxies ? |
| 21:09.37 | diana | Gnea: I'm using the stable kernel. |
| 21:09.38 | Kovecses | diana: you running etch? |
| 21:09.47 | Gnea | diana: and that version is..? |
| 21:09.50 | diana | Kovecses: I just did dist-upgrade, from sarge to etch. |
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| 21:10.59 | Eulex | diana, install 2.6.12. |
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| 21:10.59 | streuner | diana: ok, just remove those two packages as well |
| 21:11.00 | diana | Eulex: not 2.6.14? |
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| 21:11.00 | Kovecses | etch is pointless right now imho |
| 21:11.00 | diana | streuner: I can't...I get more errors. |
| 21:11.00 | Eulex | diana, well, if you want to, yes |
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| 21:11.00 | Gnea | diana: udev requires 2.6.12 or greater |
| 21:11.00 | Kovecses | etch is more broken than sid |
| 21:11.00 | Gnea | diana: and it has to be running, not just installed |
| 21:11.00 | diana | What is the latest stable kernel for testing? |
| 21:11.01 | psychonate | argh, why is lirc so hard to get working |
| 21:11.01 | Kovecses | 2.6.8 I think |
| 21:11.01 | diana | Gnea: If I reboot will I break my system |
| 21:11.02 | Eulex | diana, stable != testing |
| 21:11.02 | diana | lol |
| 21:11.12 | Alumni | Gnea: Adding irqpoll to grub's menu.lst fixed the problem. But I can't hot swap from CD-ROM to floppy. If I do, I can't mount floppies. |
| 21:11.14 | merdaname | #riogrande |
| 21:11.21 | Gnea | diana: probably |
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| 21:11.33 | merdaname | yes im brasilian |
| 21:11.36 | Gnea | Alumni: oh right on |
| 21:11.50 | Gnea | diana: i would just apt-get remove hotplug udev |
| 21:11.54 | Gnea | diana: and then reboot |
| 21:12.04 | jr | tudo bem |
| 21:12.06 | Eulex | Gnea, eh |
| 21:12.11 | Gnea | diana: 2.6.14 should be just fine - i finally got it to behave |
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| 21:12.20 | Gnea | and that's on sid |
| 21:12.24 | ke6isf | !br |
| 21:12.25 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:12.27 | Gnea | nvidia is a whole other story |
| 21:12.36 | Alumni | Anyway to switch between CD-ROM and floppy without reboots? |
| 21:12.44 | Kovecses | Gnea: you cant get nvidia to work? |
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| 21:13.04 | Soon | Hi someone can help me please my debian don't start i m blocked on the screen Debian after the identification |
| 21:13.09 | Gnea | Kovecses: yeah there's even a bug |
| 21:13.10 | jr | Alumni: im not exactly sure what youre asking but im sure there is a way |
| 21:13.13 | Gnea | !dbugs 343186 |
| 21:13.16 | Eulex | Alumni, you've got a laptop with a modular drive bay, eh? |
| 21:13.16 | dpkg | #343186:[nvidia-kernel-source] nvidia-kernel-source 8174 Fails to load proper with 2.6.1[234]; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:03:08 UTC |
| 21:13.23 | Alumni | Eulex: Yeah. |
| 21:13.32 | Kovecses | Gnea: wow.... i got my ati working no problem.. usually its the other way |
| 21:13.42 | Gnea | Kovecses: don't start :) |
| 21:13.44 | jr | i wonder why lynxing to google fails.. does it fail for anybody else? |
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| 21:13.48 | Kovecses | lol |
| 21:13.48 | Alumni | IBM should have two bays so I don't have to swap between floppy and CD-ROM. |
| 21:13.52 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 21:14.06 | ke6isf | jr: Nope. |
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| 21:14.09 | Dwonis | jr: It looks like Google doesn't like the large number of Accept: entries in the header |
| 21:14.11 | Gnea | Alumni: get a usb floppy drive |
| 21:14.14 | jr | Alumni: are you talking about hotswaping? |
| 21:14.14 | Eulex | Alumni, there's no way if the bios doesn't support it. |
| 21:14.22 | Alumni | jr: Yes. |
| 21:14.26 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: use "hotswap" and echo "eject" > /proc/acpi/ibm/bay |
| 21:14.36 | Kovecses | Gnea: and recompiling the kernel to meet the needs doesnt work? |
| 21:14.37 | Gnea | Alumni: why do you need a floppy anyway? those things are so *ANCIENT* and, these days, unused |
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| 21:14.49 | Kovecses | i still use my floppy |
| 21:14.51 | mae | i haven't used a floppy in ages |
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| 21:14.53 | Alumni | Gnea: Hardly unused in Maine. |
| 21:14.59 | Gnea | Kovecses: well i'm trying... |
| 21:15.09 | Alumni | Gnea: I used floppies dialy. |
| 21:15.27 | Kovecses | Gnea: good luck :) |
| 21:15.31 | Gnea | Alumni: oh, maine.. talk about being behind the times... then again, maybe usb flash drives don't like the cold too well |
| 21:15.45 | blondie | floppy disks are for idiots |
| 21:15.52 | Gnea | hahahahhahahah |
| 21:15.55 | Kovecses | floppys dont like cold either |
| 21:15.56 | Alumni | blondie: Go to hell. |
| 21:15.59 | blondie | it's true |
| 21:16.03 | Kovecses | yeah blondie |
| 21:16.08 | Gnea | Alumni: too late, hell is here |
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| 21:16.22 | ke6isf | Hell is in Michigan. Too cold for me. |
| 21:16.26 | blondie | number of stupid students I get at work crying because the floppy disk with the only copy of their essay on doesn't work |
| 21:16.29 | Kovecses | saving school documents is perfect on a floppy... usb drive is overkill |
| 21:16.32 | diana | How come when I do dist-upgrade from sarge to etch...it doesn't warn me to upgrade my kernel only first and then reboot. |
| 21:16.35 | blondie | we tell them to use USB flash drives bu they don't listen |
| 21:16.43 | blondie | Kovecses: no really it's not perfect at all |
| 21:16.52 | Gnea | blondie: that would detract money from beer. |
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| 21:16.57 | Gnea | blondie: and pizza. |
| 21:17.02 | jr | whats etch |
| 21:17.05 | Kovecses | exactly Gnea......... lol |
| 21:17.07 | glasse | I grabbed the xserver-xorg package from experimental and now I'm having some weird issues with setxkbmap. "setxkbmap -print us" seems to work OK but "setxkbmap us" errors out with: "Error loading new keyboard description" |
| 21:17.07 | Alumni | blondie: Well, why the hell do they have the only copy on the floppy? I always copy to hard disk, then copy to floppy. I like a copy on my HDD> |
| 21:17.09 | Gnea | !etch |
| 21:17.09 | diana | I just installed the latest etch kernel...I'm going to reboot hopefully my system boots up. |
| 21:17.09 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 21:17.09 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: are you unregistering the drive before removing ? |
| 21:17.14 | blondie | USB flash drive is about the cost of two boxes of disks or pizzas |
| 21:17.16 | SimonRaven | !etch |
| 21:17.19 | Alumni | pumpkin0: No. |
| 21:17.32 | Gnea | blondie: yeah welly |
| 21:17.33 | blondie | Alumni: if they're silly enough to use floppy disks, who knows |
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| 21:17.43 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: BAD idea. use hotswap (the package "hotswap") |
| 21:18.00 | Gnea | blondie: problem is that some usb flash drives don't have a very long shelf life, i've discovered |
| 21:18.13 | Alumni | blondie: I use floppies because it is the only to transfer files to the school system due to restrictions. |
| 21:18.21 | Alumni | pumpkin0: Thanks. |
| 21:18.29 | blondie | Alumni: your school IT people need LARTing then |
| 21:18.31 | jr | Alumni: ive never heard of a flashdrive just dying |
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| 21:18.42 | Alumni | jr: They don't allow USB flash |
| 21:18.45 | blondie | Gnea: much better than floppies |
| 21:18.45 | mae | i've had 2 flash drives die |
| 21:18.46 | Gnea | jr: it's happened to me. |
| 21:18.49 | mae | i lost my term paper |
| 21:18.54 | Kovecses | the old ones used to die all the time |
| 21:18.54 | Gnea | blondie: i agree |
| 21:18.56 | blondie | Alumni: again, LARTing required |
| 21:19.03 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: and eject using /proc/acpi/ibm/bay. You will fry your CD-drive if you don't do it. |
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| 21:19.05 | john_doe | I have problems with my locales. svn, matlab and gallery are complaining. I don't know what the problem is. I have locales installed and my LC_* variables are set to "POSIX. How should I debug this? |
| 21:19.09 | Dwonis | blondie: Back when I was in school, my school IT people got kids suspended for using the DOS command prompt... |
| 21:19.10 | Gnea | mae: and you didn't have them backed up to hard drive or cdrom? tsk tsk |
| 21:19.28 | blondie | school IT people are usually fuckwits |
| 21:19.29 | Gnea | i would take that jumpdrive straight to my laptop and copy that shit over |
| 21:19.30 | Alumni | mae: Silly. |
| 21:19.32 | ke6isf | Real geeks don't use floppies or USB flash fobs. They either store it on their gmail account or ftp it up to and down from their server at home. |
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| 21:19.42 | blondie | it's much better in universities (where it's me ;)) |
| 21:19.48 | mae | Gnea: yeah - well i thought they were pretty reliable - i guessed wrong. |
| 21:19.51 | Alumni | ke6isf: Gmail and FTP are banned. |
| 21:19.53 | Kovecses | ke6isf: thats what I do mostly :) |
| 21:20.03 | blondie | ke6isf: real geeks use their own mail servers or SCP :P |
| 21:20.07 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:20.07 | Alumni | Gmail banned due to being a "hacking tool." |
| 21:20.09 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 21:20.10 | Kovecses | Alumni: that suscks |
| 21:20.11 | Dwonis | blondie: Better, but still brain-damaged. (Though usually not as brain-damaged as the users!) |
| 21:20.24 | ke6isf | Alumni: A hacking tool?! Do they also ban IMAP?! |
| 21:20.25 | Gnea | mae: they're quite reliable. you just have to know how to use them. you can't just stick all yer shit on there and hope that they'll be alright. make copies. |
| 21:20.27 | Alumni | SCP blocked. |
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| 21:20.35 | Dwonis | tarzeau: Why do you keep mentioning popcon? |
| 21:20.35 | mae | ke6isf: what if your trying to transfer files from a non internet connected place, or if they have ports besides 80 blocked (including ftp) |
| 21:20.50 | Alumni | Almost everything except port 80 outgoing is blocked. |
| 21:20.51 | blondie | mae: non-internet-connected? you make blondie cry |
| 21:20.53 | Gnea | mae: that's why i had my info backed up beforehand, in case it fell out of my fingers and got crushed |
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| 21:20.58 | mae | hehe |
| 21:21.02 | blondie | run SSH on port 80 |
| 21:21.04 | streuner | @wb cafuego |
| 21:21.08 | tarzeau | Dwonis: so that people see it exists, that haven't seen it yet |
| 21:21.13 | streuner | !wb cafuego |
| 21:21.13 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! cafuego has returned! |
| 21:21.14 | Rydekull | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZQEetc19.html <--- Could someone help out with this? I havnt seen it before |
| 21:21.21 | mae | blondie: thats true, but then you can't host a webserver :) |
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| 21:21.24 | ravenbird | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of simonraven) |
| 21:21.29 | Tiyah | Hi |
| 21:21.31 | blondie | well |
| 21:21.32 | Rydekull | !ops DeviL_OfGiRL_duS |
| 21:21.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: DeviL_OfGiRL_duS |
| 21:21.33 | Alumni | School does not even allow laptops to have Internet access. |
| 21:21.38 | Gnea | mae: run the webserver on port 8080 :P |
| 21:21.38 | streuner | simonrvn: thanks |
| 21:21.38 | tarzeau | Dwonis: does it annoy you that much? |
| 21:21.39 | Rydekull | err, is a spammer |
| 21:21.47 | Gnea | wow |
| 21:21.53 | Gnea | blondie: yeah i see what you mean |
| 21:21.58 | blondie | what you could do is have a thing on the website that lets you temporarily turn the webserver off and enable SSH instead |
| 21:22.00 | Dwonis | tarzeau: not really, but CTCP VERSION #debian doesn't annoy me much either |
| 21:22.03 | streuner | Rydekull: /msg dpkg spambots |
| 21:22.06 | ke6isf | mae: Then you email it to/from yourself using webmail. |
| 21:22.21 | tarzeau | Dwonis: i don't see the relation between both |
| 21:22.27 | blondie | places that use website filtering are stupid |
| 21:22.28 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 21:22.34 | Shadowcat | ctcping an entire channel would flood the guy off |
| 21:22.39 | tarzeau | Dwonis: do you run popularity-contest btw? |
| 21:22.40 | Shadowcat | we're over 500 people in here |
| 21:22.51 | Dwonis | tarzeau: I do now... because of your damn messages! |
| 21:22.58 | tarzeau | :) |
| 21:23.02 | Dwonis | tarzeau: I knew about it before, but never bothered installing it |
| 21:23.05 | ke6isf | Shadowcat: Not necessarily, there was the version from earlier. |
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| 21:23.12 | Kovecses | tarzeau: would you like me to run it as well? |
| 21:23.18 | tarzeau | Dwonis: since it helps, i'll keep doing so then |
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| 21:23.21 | tarzeau | Kovecses: yes please |
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| 21:23.29 | paulswm | Hey, tarzeau, long time no see, hope you are well, and Merry upcoming Christmas to you :) |
| 21:23.35 | znx | damn.. thats just mean |
| 21:23.41 | Kovecses | tarzeau: so dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest? |
| 21:23.42 | Shadowcat | znx: so? |
| 21:23.43 | Tiyah | Hello |
| 21:23.45 | Shadowcat | I'm evil remember |
| 21:23.47 | tarzeau | paulswm: hey thank you! yesterday, actually this very early morning was great fun |
| 21:23.51 | znx | oh yes.. i forget |
| 21:23.54 | Rydekull | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZQEetc19.html <--- Noone seen this before? |
| 21:24.04 | tarzeau | paulswm: i'm fantastic, and you? happy new year and merry christmas to you as well |
| 21:24.05 | Tiyah | lol |
| 21:24.23 | Dwonis | Rydekull: What are the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list, /etc/apt/preferences, and /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 21:24.27 | ke6isf | !tell Rydekull -about repeat |
| 21:24.32 | Dwonis | Rydekull: (some of those files may not exist) |
| 21:24.46 | Kovecses | tarzeau: so dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest? |
| 21:24.52 | paulswm | tarzeau: I'm well, but spouse just left for Kentucky for Christmas, so here it'll be just me and the cat for a couple of weeks :( |
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| 21:25.00 | tarzeau | Kovecses: yes |
| 21:25.02 | Kovecses | ty |
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| 21:25.09 | tarzeau | paulswm: yay. PARTY! |
| 21:25.20 | ke6isf | paulswm: Don't let the cat get drunk. =^_^= |
| 21:25.30 | diana | I just grabbed linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 from debian.org and when I reboot I get a kernel panic...I do'nt have initrd...how can I get that what is the package name? |
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| 21:25.36 | bizkit | in smb.conf, i set security=user and writable=yes in the share, i mount the share from remote using the username and password, all files in the share are owned by the user i logged in with and got 644. why can't i remove/move/modify files? any hint? |
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| 21:25.41 | diana | My apt-get is borked...I need to maanually download. |
| 21:25.57 | Kovecses | diana: ever think of a fresh install? |
| 21:26.13 | SimonRaven | or fixing apt |
| 21:26.27 | paulswm | tarzeau: Well I was hoping that Jennifer Love Hewitt might drop in, but I think I have a much greater chance of being struck by lightning :P |
| 21:26.38 | Dwonis | diana: It's probably not a missing package, but your bootloader configuration (you need initrd=/something/something) |
| 21:26.41 | Rydekull | Dwonis: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fNA1iF75.html <--- sources.list |
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| 21:27.00 | paulswm | ke6isf: No, I don't want the cat drunk, her C code is bad enough when she's sober :) |
| 21:27.09 | Dwonis | Rydekull: Have you run "apt-get update" lately? |
| 21:27.11 | ke6isf | paulswm: Heh =^_^= |
| 21:27.16 | tarzeau | paulswm: you know maybe if she doesn't drop in, you can have someone with the same qualities like her drop in? |
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| 21:27.58 | r3vld | i need help i need something to be able |
| 21:27.59 | paulswm | tarzeau: Backup plan is Kathryn Morris from Cold Case, but I don't think that's a high-probability event either :P |
| 21:28.01 | r3vld | to watch tv |
| 21:28.17 | tarzeau | paulswm: why must it be a well known person/name? |
| 21:28.18 | r3vld | like watch something online and on my tv |
| 21:28.26 | pumpkin0 | r3vld: what hardware are you using ? |
| 21:28.40 | Rydekull | Dwonis: it has been run lately |
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| 21:28.57 | ke6isf | !tell r3vld -about enter |
| 21:29.00 | diana | Did someone reply to me before...can they repeat what they said if they did. |
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| 21:29.06 | diana | How do I get initrd for testing kernel? |
| 21:29.12 | paulswm | tarzeau: j/k, I wouldn't trade my spouse for anybody really :) |
| 21:29.13 | r3vld | well |
| 21:29.27 | diana | I manually grabbed the 2.6.12 deb from debian.org but I don't have initrd |
| 21:29.29 | r3vld | i am trying to watch a stream on my tv |
| 21:29.33 | Dwonis | diana: It gets built when you install a kernel-image package |
| 21:29.34 | paulswm | diana: It will be installed with the kernel |
| 21:29.34 | diana | and apt-get is broken |
| 21:29.36 | pumpkin0 | diana: you don't need one, except for very strange setups |
| 21:29.36 | jjazz | paulswm, would you trade your spouse for a billion dollars? |
| 21:29.41 | r3vld | i have tv out and svideo but their bad |
| 21:29.45 | Rydekull | Dwonis: neither /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf exists, and I don't believe that should be a problem... unless stable acts weird |
| 21:29.51 | r3vld | so i need like a converter dat goes into vga |
| 21:29.53 | diana | Dwonis: So how can I get it now? |
| 21:29.55 | tarzeau | paulswm: why do you say spouse when you mean wife? |
| 21:29.56 | r3vld | and into svideo like a box |
| 21:29.58 | diana | I need to build my own kernel? |
| 21:29.59 | paulswm | jjazz: No, not a chance |
| 21:30.02 | tarzeau | paulswm: is that something american? |
| 21:30.05 | paulswm | tarzeau: Habit |
| 21:30.15 | diana | paulswm: What is the package name? |
| 21:30.20 | paulswm | tarzeau: I think spouse sounds better, is all |
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| 21:30.34 | jjazz | paulswm, Is that for moral reasons or because your spouse brings you more happiness than a billion dollars would? |
| 21:30.34 | paulswm | diana: What kernel package did you install? |
| 21:30.36 | tarzeau | paulswm: what was your age again? |
| 21:30.57 | Dwonis | Anyone here running straight-sarge who can help Rydekull? Apparently apt-get install build-essential complains about "gcc is not going to be installed" |
| 21:30.58 | diana | paulswm: linux-image-2.6.12-1-386.. paulswm But I manually downloaded it from debian.org |
| 21:31.03 | paulswm | jjazz: Happiness, she is the best person I have ever met in my life, I am very fortunate :) |
| 21:31.30 | Kovecses | paulswm: give it a few years |
| 21:31.32 | jjazz | paulswm, That's awesome. Congrats. It's nice to win the lottery like that. :) |
| 21:31.35 | Kovecses | paulswm: lol |
| 21:31.37 | Dwonis | Rydekull: I'm running a mix of testing/unstable, so I can't easily test it. |
| 21:31.38 | pumpkin0 | diana: what did you do after you have downloaded it ? |
| 21:31.40 | ke6isf | jjazz: "Money can't buy me love" -John and Paul |
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| 21:32.10 | paulswm | diana: Is there a reason why you didn't install the debian kernel? For example, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 21:32.17 | Dwonis | Rydekull: I find that sometimes apt-get doesn't quite figure out the dependencies right. Often, I just use aptitude to semi-manually pick what I need. |
| 21:32.19 | glasse | Anyone know what "Couldn't compile keymap file" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log means? It's a great rhyme and all. |
| 21:32.32 | Kovecses | can someone have a look at my fstab...... im getting a mounting filesystems error on boot |
| 21:32.34 | paulswm | Kovecses: We've been married for much more than a few years :) |
| 21:32.40 | pumpkin0 | paulswm: diana has a fubar apt/dpkg-DB. no way. |
| 21:32.46 | Kovecses | paulswm: really... thats great then |
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| 21:33.00 | paulswm | jjazz: Thanks, I am old enough to have learned what's really important :) |
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| 21:33.08 | mae | so |
| 21:33.11 | mae | how is python-apt |
| 21:33.11 | jjazz | Kovecses, paste the error and your fstab somewhere |
| 21:33.14 | Dwonis | paulswm: I've never used "linux-image" packages... it's always been "kernel-image". What's the difference? |
| 21:33.20 | Kovecses | ok |
| 21:33.25 | Banditen | hey, a little bit of help, i set the grub dual booter, and when i try boot the linux it works, but when i try the widnwos i get following: |
| 21:33.27 | paulswm | Dwonis: New name |
| 21:33.31 | Banditen | rootnoverify hd(1,0) |
| 21:33.36 | pumpkin0 | Dwonis: the name, they are alias. |
| 21:33.36 | jjazz | paulswm, :) |
| 21:33.41 | Banditen | chainloader +1 |
| 21:33.41 | Dwonis | paulswm; ah. Due to HURD/kfreebsd, I presume? |
| 21:33.53 | Alumni | I did echo eject > /proc/acpi/ibm/bay , removed my floppy module, inserted the CD-ROM drive module, ran hotplug, but the CD-ROM won't work. |
| 21:34.12 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: did you run hotswap before ? |
| 21:34.19 | paulswm | diana: Sorry, can't help, don't use non-debian kernels except for custom building without initrd :) |
| 21:34.20 | Alumni | pumpkin0: No. |
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| 21:34.34 | Alumni | Wiat, I did. |
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| 21:34.53 | paulswm | Dwonis: Maybe, I haven't bothered to ask :) |
| 21:34.55 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: did it work ? |
| 21:35.11 | Alumni | it didn't say anything. But I can't play a CD. |
| 21:35.24 | Kovecses | jjazz: http://pastebin.com/469374 |
| 21:35.28 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: did you rerun it to detect the new drive ? |
| 21:35.35 | Alumni | Yes. |
| 21:35.53 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: does /proc/hdc exist ? |
| 21:35.59 | Alumni | Yes. |
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| 21:36.09 | Alumni | I can mount CDs if I reboot with the new drive. |
| 21:36.12 | paulswm | Alumni: Ah, I didn't realize that (borked apt/dpkg) |
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| 21:36.15 | Stephen_ | I'm new to IRC. I was hoping somebody could help me troubleshoot my network connection on my other computer (Debian). After completing an upgrade of testing (last updated ~1 month ago), I can no longer make my ethernet work. |
| 21:36.17 | roler | what is the best way to setup greylisting on a debian server? exim4 or postfix? |
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| 21:36.51 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: does /proc/ide/hdc still exist after the first run of hotswap ? |
| 21:37.03 | Alumni | Hold on. |
| 21:37.04 | Dwonis | Stephen_: If you run "/etc/init.d/networking restart", what messages do you see? |
| 21:37.12 | jjazz | Kovecses, um... do any of those filesystems actually fail to mount? If not, ignore it. I see this error during boot and never sweat it because once the box is up, all the filesystems are accessible as they should be. |
| 21:37.47 | Kovecses | jjazz: yes they are for me as well..... but I just dont like the big red ..... failed! |
| 21:38.04 | Dwonis | Kovecses; big *red* "failed"? Are you running Debian? |
| 21:38.07 | emzed | I use a 5 buttons mouse, and before something, it worked properly. Now only 3 buttons are recognize. I don't know if the problem come from kernel or xorg and I wonder if someone could tell me what could be the cause of this problem ? (I used xev and the 2 missing buttons do nothing when I push them) |
| 21:38.09 | Kovecses | yup |
| 21:38.24 | Dwonis | Since when does Debian's boot process use colours? |
| 21:38.26 | Kovecses | dont even say it cuz your wrong |
| 21:38.33 | Kovecses | it doesnt |
| 21:38.34 | tarzeau | Dwonis: it does? |
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| 21:38.40 | Kovecses | just that one thing |
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| 21:38.49 | ldexter | emag: make sure you have the right protocol in xorg.conf |
| 21:38.51 | Dwonis | tarzeau: according to Kovecses |
| 21:38.55 | diana_ | I do'nt have the /boot/initrd*2.6.12* file. |
| 21:38.57 | diana_ | Can I manually download it somewhere...where does apt-get get it from? |
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| 21:39.18 | Kovecses | i swear to you guys im running pure debian.... and that Failed is RED |
| 21:39.53 | Stephen_ | When running /etc/init.d/networking restart I get... /etc/network/options is deprecated. Setting up IP spoofing protection...done Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo alteady configured done. |
| 21:40.08 | Alumni | pumpkin0: Yes, /proc/ide/hdc still exists. |
| 21:40.12 | Cobain | how do you get rid of packages that are not fully installed/removed? |
| 21:40.13 | hytt | diana> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12 2.6.12 (depend of your kernel compiled) |
| 21:40.37 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: that's bad. it has to go away after unregistering with hotswap. try "hotswap -c 1 unregister-ide" |
| 21:40.37 | Dwonis | Kovecses: Ah yes, I see. It's from /lib/lsb/init-functions, which is now included by /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 21:41.01 | jjazz | I'm running testing, and apt-get is choking on the xserver-xorg script. apt-get hangs on Preconfiguring packages and I have to cntrl-c out of it. How can I unpack the .deb to see what the script is doing to figure out why it's hanging? Thanks. |
| 21:41.07 | Kovecses | Dwonis: so do you know how i can fix? |
| 21:41.08 | Stephen_ | ifconfig does show eth0, and ping 192.168.2.4 works, ping 192.168.2.1 doesn't, though (my router), tried direct to wall and that doesn't help. |
| 21:41.18 | Kovecses | jjazz: etch sucks right now |
| 21:41.33 | Gnea | jjazz: file a bug report |
| 21:41.37 | Dwonis | Kovecses: Well, it would be nice to know *which* filesystem is failing to mount |
| 21:41.47 | Alumni | I have hotplug, not hotswap. |
| 21:41.53 | Kovecses | Dwonis: i know right....... but i just dont know |
| 21:42.13 | jjazz | Gnea, I will, but I was planning on tyring to be able to offer a little more detail than just "it hangs". Any advice on unpacking the .deb? |
| 21:42.14 | Kovecses | Dwonis: well thanks anyway.... i will bbl ..... see ya] |
| 21:42.16 | Dwonis | Kovecses: Do you have VERBOSE=yes set in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 21:42.18 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: run "apt-get install hotswap" and try again. |
| 21:42.22 | Gnea | jjazz: oh |
| 21:42.25 | paulswm | Cobain: apt-get --purge remove ... or aptitude purge ... if you're using aptitude |
| 21:42.30 | Cobain | i'm getting all kinds of errors configuring zope every time i use apt-get.. i never really wanted zope in the first place how can i remove it? |
| 21:42.36 | Alumni | With hotplug -c 1 unregister-ide, /proc/ide/hdc still exists. |
| 21:43.00 | Dwonis | Kovecses: My guess is that it's trying to mount some filesystem twice. Not sure which filesystem, though. |
| 21:43.08 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: When running /etc/init.d/networking restart I get... /etc/network/options is deprecated. Setting up IP spoofing protection...done Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo alteady configured done. |
| 21:43.22 | pumpkin0 | Alumni: hotswap does the dirty work on IDE, hotplug is used for USB & Co. You NEED hotswap, not hotplug |
| 21:43.36 | Alumni | Sorry. |
| 21:43.46 | Dwonis | Stephen_: What's the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 21:43.49 | Blues-Man | hi all |
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| 21:43.57 | Blues-Man | anyone using the eclipse native? |
| 21:43.57 | Gnea | jjazz: sorry, mis-read at first - ar x file.deb |
| 21:43.59 | Dwonis | Stephen_: (use http://pastebin.com/ or something like that) |
| 21:44.07 | jjazz | Gnea, thanks |
| 21:44.22 | Blues-Man | I haven't understood if I have to install eclipse or eclipse-plataform-gcj to have the native one |
| 21:44.33 | Blues-Man | *platform |
| 21:44.49 | SimonRaven | http://video.gprime.net/media/video/howtodancelikeawhiteguy.wmv |
| 21:44.55 | SimonRaven | way OT |
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| 21:45.39 | bucky | Stephen_, that's what it's supposed to do |
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| 21:46.51 | bucky | Stephen_, ifconfig ..is the interface up? |
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| 21:47.30 | Dwonis | Stephen_: the problem is *not* the "/etc/network/options is deprecated" warning |
| 21:48.04 | Stephen_ | bucky: ifconfig shows both lo and eth0, the right one |
| 21:48.25 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: http://pastebin.com/469387 |
| 21:48.38 | Dwonis | Stephen_: I know this seems like a stupid question, but you checked the cabling, right? :) |
| 21:49.07 | Gnea | hrm |
| 21:49.22 | pumpkin0 | Stephen_: Wait a sec... didn't you try to ping 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 21:49.24 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: tried rearranging cabling, green light is on on my router, and bypassing router doesn't change anything |
| 21:49.26 | Dwonis | Stephen_: Do you have a gateway line? Without one, you probably won't be able to access anything other than 192.168.2.*, assuming they're on the same LAN |
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| 21:49.57 | Dwonis | pumpkin0: with that config, ping 192.168.1.1 will give "no route to host" |
| 21:50.36 | sifi | !mvup |
| 21:50.36 | dpkg | i heard mvup is <sifi> everyone! if you ever do: mv /* /tmp/ restore it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/lib /tmp/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/bin/mv /tmp/* / |
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| 21:50.51 | pumpkin0 | Stephen_: That's OK. That config gives you access to a LAN with 192.168.2.X IPs. 192.168.1.X is out of range. |
| 21:50.59 | Stephen_ | pumpkin0: ping to 192.168.2.1 fails, 56 bytes and wait |
| 21:51.20 | pumpkin0 | Stephen_: do you have a host 192.168.2.1 on the LAN ? |
| 21:51.23 | Alumni | Stephen_: Is that an actual router, or a system setup with something like ipf? |
| 21:51.39 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: what is a gatewat line? |
| 21:51.42 | SimonRaven | lemme guess, it happened to you? :). thanks for sharing, though it's both funny and helpful |
| 21:52.12 | pumpkin0 | Stephen_: change "address 192.168.2.4" to " address 192.168.1.4" and add "gateway 192.168.1.1" |
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| 21:52.37 | Stephen_ | pumpkin0: host 192.168.2.1 is a Belkin wireless router, responded to pings before apt-get upgrade |
| 21:52.48 | SimonRaven | i've done similar thing, but with rm and /bin :) |
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| 21:53.09 | Dwonis | Stephen_: gateway... it's the "default route". Without it, you will only be able to access hosts that are within your subnet (i.e. 192.168.2.*) |
| 21:53.15 | bucky | Stephen_, gateway 192.168.2.1 you might need that in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:53.19 | pumpkin0 | Stephen_: try anyway. i think you have 1-2 router in the LAN. |
| 21:53.19 | bucky | Stephen_, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
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| 21:53.34 | Dwonis | Stephen_: The gateway address is the address where packets for hosts *not* in your subnet are relayed to. |
| 21:53.41 | Dwonis | Stephen_: It should be the address of your router. |
| 21:54.05 | Dwonis | Stephen_: However, if ping 192.168.2.1 worked before, it should work now also, with or without a "gateway" line |
| 21:54.10 | bucky | Stephen_, and add you dns there too |
| 21:54.26 | Dwonis | bucky: You can add DNS lines to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:54.34 | snowgeese | wha does a+ bye names mean? |
| 21:54.37 | bucky | Dwonis,, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 21:54.40 | Stephen_ | bucky: what line should I add to add dns? |
| 21:54.45 | snowgeese | have good xmas fokes\ |
| 21:54.46 | bucky | Stephen_, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
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| 21:55.00 | SimonRaven | a plus. means later, or see you later. it's french |
| 21:55.01 | roler | anyone have any howto's on getting the debian postgrey to work with postfix? |
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| 21:55.33 | Dwonis | bucky: interesting. I wonder why that's not documented in networking(5) |
| 21:55.44 | SimonRaven | interfaces |
| 21:56.01 | Dwonis | yeah, that's what I meant - interfaces(5) |
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| 21:56.51 | Dwonis | Stephen_: but, again, none of this gateway and DNS stuff should affect your ability to ping 192.168.2.1 |
| 21:57.38 | nkuttler | roler: nothing in /usr/share/doc/postgrey ? |
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| 21:57.53 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: I used to just run pump -i eth0 after boot, which would get me up and running, now I get operation failed |
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| 21:58.16 | bucky | Stephen_, which version of debian are you using? |
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| 21:58.50 | kangaroo72 | hello :-) |
| 21:59.12 | kangaroo72 | Someone speaks german? |
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| 21:59.19 | bucky | !de |
| 21:59.20 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 21:59.20 | streuner | !de |
| 21:59.27 | Stephen_ | bucky: testing, updated yesterday, which is when my problems started |
| 21:59.28 | Soon | someone can help me about v4L please |
| 21:59.28 | bucky | !win bucky |
| 21:59.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, bucky! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:59.28 | Soon | ! |
| 21:59.45 | bucky | Stephen_, so when did you install pump? |
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| 22:00.04 | teufel_ | I just installed debian on a computer, but when I try to "startx" I get this error: Fatal IO error 104 (connectino reset by peer) on x server :0.0 after 0 requests 0 konwn processed with 0 events remaining |
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| 22:00.44 | Stephen_ | bucky: pump has been around a long time, unsure if it updated in this batch; however, I used to be able to ping 192.168.2.1 before running pump |
| 22:00.46 | bucky | teufel_, did you try to startx as the user and not root? |
| 22:00.50 | Dwonis | Stephen_ O |
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| 22:00.55 | teufel_ | yes, I have tried both |
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| 22:01.17 | Dwonis | Stephen_: I'm curious... do you have other machines on your LAN besides this one? |
| 22:01.24 | bucky | Stephen_, i know how long pump's been around.. it's not installed by default which lead me to believe you're running knoppix |
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| 22:01.47 | misieq_ | is there any way to make my system use preferably ram over swap? and can i move data from swap to ram? |
| 22:02.02 | Stephen_ | bucky: I used knoppix to convert to install debian about 2.5 years ago |
| 22:02.02 | textshell | teufel_: maybe try reading the xserver log at /var/log/X* |
| 22:02.18 | teufel_ | bucky, same error when I tried to log in in user |
| 22:02.29 | pumpkin0 | misieq: that's the default setup.... |
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| 22:02.43 | Dwonis | misieq_: I think that's more of a general Linux-kernel question. You might want to try #linux |
| 22:02.45 | bucky | teufel_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if you're running sarge |
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| 22:02.53 | misieq_ | thanks |
| 22:02.57 | at0m|c | hi, i'm ssh forwarding x applications to this machine w fluxbox. Anyone know a way of/hint on how to bring some sort of remote menu here, too? |
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| 22:03.11 | teufel_ | bucky: I've tried that... havn't really found much to change that would help |
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| 22:03.53 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: no other machines, my windows laptop that I'm on now is plugged directly into the wall as MAC address filtering prevents it from connecting through the router (it gets orange light from router, debian box gets the good green light.) |
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| 22:04.39 | abrotman | ok .. look .. i just saw three cows in my living room! |
| 22:04.59 | bucky | Stephen_, type runlevel what does it say? |
| 22:05.12 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: I can plug my linux box directly into the wall as well, but same problem remains (port works for my windows laptop) |
| 22:05.31 | Stephen_ | bucky: N 3 |
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| 22:05.41 | bucky | Stephen_, debian runs N 2 |
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| 22:06.00 | at0m|c | abrotman, carefull for the bully that follows |
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| 22:06.18 | g3brown | Anyone know a url for a good howto of Samba and Debian? |
| 22:06.22 | Alumni | hotswap makes my system periodically hang. |
| 22:06.25 | bucky | Stephen_, sorry.. you're knoppix frankenstein is falling apart |
| 22:06.27 | odla | abrotman: are you on acid? |
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| 22:06.52 | Dwonis | Stephen_: I'd look to see if the router box is causing the problems. |
| 22:06.56 | abrotman | odla: i wish i were .. that would explain so many things |
| 22:07.00 | Dwonis | Stephen_: Also, "Knoppix -> Debian" is not Debian. |
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| 22:07.11 | at0m|c | g3brown, /msg dpkg samba |
| 22:07.27 | loopdee | !dv1394 |
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| 22:07.37 | loopdee | dv = damn video? |
| 22:07.42 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: what is the difference on knoppix -> debian? |
| 22:07.48 | zcram | digital video |
| 22:07.49 | SimonRaven | doggie video |
| 22:07.55 | g3brown | at0m|c: thanks |
| 22:07.55 | abrotman | knoppix is not debian |
| 22:07.56 | loopdee | heh |
| 22:07.58 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 22:07.58 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 22:08.10 | Alumni | Why are you using knoppix? |
| 22:08.17 | abrotman | i'm not! |
| 22:08.22 | Dwonis | Stephen_: I don't know exactly, but it does several things differently. |
| 22:08.41 | Alumni | Stephen_: Why do you use knoppix? |
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| 22:08.58 | kspath | Stephen_: have you defined what you mean by router? |
| 22:09.09 | Dwonis | Stephen_: The only way you can install Debian using knoppix is to run debootstrap directly. Even then, there are things you have to do to make it work properly, and I wouldn't recommend it unless you know what you're doing AND you *can't* use debian-installer for some reason. |
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| 22:09.17 | loopdee | knoppixis pretty cool, it allowed my to boot a machine to get on the internet to download tools to fix windows spyware crap, luckily the ntfs write worked |
| 22:09.37 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: WTF are you doing ? |
| 22:09.46 | Dwonis | loopdee: Nothing's wrong with Knoppix. I like Knoppix. But it's not Debian, and #debian isn't the place to ask stuff about it. |
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| 22:09.56 | Stephen_ | Alumni: I used knoppix to install because 2.5 years ago the debian installer wouldn't find my hard drive (on a controller card) properly |
| 22:09.56 | loopdee | true |
| 22:10.06 | abrotman | pumpkin0: watching tv ... debating playing DQ VIII |
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| 22:10.30 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: and where do the 3 cows fit in ? |
| 22:10.36 | kspath | what is DQVIII ? |
| 22:10.45 | abrotman | pumpkin0: they don't really .. it's very crowded here |
| 22:10.46 | clojster | anyone knows how to get sslfingerprint from somewhere? (I need sslfingerprint for gmail.com to be able to fetch mails with fetchmail) |
| 22:10.47 | SimonRaven | dragon quest |
| 22:10.50 | abrotman | kspath: Dragon Quest VIII |
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| 22:11.02 | Gnea | abrotman: i've got to get a ps2 first :/ |
| 22:11.04 | streuner | pumpkin0: /msg dpkg moo |
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| 22:11.08 | archpollux | is there a wat to find out for how long has dpkg (the bot) had an item (news)? |
| 22:11.11 | abrotman | hrm .. watch Born on the Fourth of July .. or play DQ VIII ? |
| 22:11.14 | streuner | pumpkin0: run 'apt-get moo' |
| 22:11.24 | abrotman | !factinfo kde3.4 |
| 22:11.24 | dpkg | kde3.4 -- last modified at Wed Nov 16 22:29:22 2005 by stew!n=stew@mudskipper.vireo.org; it has been requested 69 times, last by gaasfet at Fri Dec 2 20:05:24 2005. |
| 22:11.54 | Dwonis | Stephen_: I don't have an answer for you. From what I can tell, it looks like you have the network stuff configured well enough to at least ping your router. My guess is either a driver problem, a hardware problem, a firewalling problem (iptables), or a problem with the *router*. |
| 22:12.02 | pumpkin0 | streuner: yes, i have the version with super-something-powers. But where did he get 3 ?? |
| 22:12.09 | archpollux | abrotman: thanks, that's exactly the one i wanted :) |
| 22:12.20 | streuner | pumpkin0: try 'Jim Beam' |
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| 22:12.37 | SimonRaven | s/Born/Porn/ ; bad pr0n movie title |
| 22:13.15 | cjaymes | porn again? |
| 22:13.34 | kspath | 3 Jim Bean Johnny Walker Jack Daniels |
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| 22:13.38 | Gnea | !factinfo newbie-guide |
| 22:13.38 | dpkg | newbie-guide -- created by Gnea <gnea@gnea.net> at Sat Jul 9 04:31:02 2005 (162 days); it has been requested 25 times, last by Gnea at Wed Nov 30 03:13:20 2005. |
| 22:13.41 | Stephen_ | kspath: what do you mean? my router is a Belkin wireless router |
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| 22:13.53 | Gnea | :} |
| 22:13.56 | archpollux | archpollux: you're cool |
| 22:13.59 | archpollux | damn |
| 22:14.11 | archpollux | sorry, just checking highlighting :) |
| 22:14.13 | cjaymes | kspath, you just inspired a new naming scheme for one of my networks :) |
| 22:14.15 | SimonRaven | my partner says 'that's where miss america flashes the audience' |
| 22:14.56 | cjaymes | rats, they're copyrighted names |
| 22:14.56 | Kovecses | SimonRaven: are you gay? |
| 22:15.05 | SimonRaven | no |
| 22:15.08 | archpollux | hmm, so no news about kde 3.5? |
| 22:15.21 | Kovecses | archpollux: what about 3.5? |
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| 22:15.35 | kspath | Stephen_: icky I do not do wireless seen wireless do too many people |
| 22:15.39 | abrotman | !kde 3.5 |
| 22:15.39 | teufel_ | I keep getting an error when I try and startx, what is the driver I should use instead of vesa? |
| 22:15.39 | dpkg | kde 3.5 is probably http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ |
| 22:15.50 | SimonRaven | what about kde 3.5? |
| 22:16.02 | cjaymes | teufel_, ati |
| 22:16.05 | SimonRaven | there's also some 3.5 rc thing there, one dir up |
| 22:16.16 | streuner | !sunday |
| 22:16.16 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:16.18 | Haukkari | Can I see from /proc/cpuinfo if the CPU (a Xeon) supports 64-bit? |
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| 22:16.24 | Stephen_ | kspath: my linux box isn't using the wireless |
| 22:16.29 | cjaymes | teufel_, if that doesn't work, try nv |
| 22:16.31 | bucky | teufel_, what kind of video card do you have? |
| 22:16.40 | SimonRaven | lspci would help... |
| 22:16.45 | teufel_ | I dunno, I should open it up eh? lol |
| 22:16.48 | cjaymes | teufel_, or, you could tell us the card, yes |
| 22:16.51 | teufel_ | what is vesa for? |
| 22:16.57 | abrotman | !vesa |
| 22:16.57 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. |
| 22:17.00 | cjaymes | special people |
| 22:17.00 | SimonRaven | lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 22:17.21 | bucky | teufel_, listen to SimonRaven ^^ |
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| 22:17.29 | streuner | teufel_: if you haven't a working driver you usually use VESA |
| 22:17.34 | teufel_ | I'll try that in a sec, I'm in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:17.37 | SimonRaven | Simon says, :P |
| 22:17.44 | teufel_ | vesa isn't working though |
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| 22:18.09 | streuner | teufel_: ok, answer the question then |
| 22:18.27 | teufel_ | well when I get prompt back |
| 22:18.33 | streuner | we need the chipset of your videocard |
| 22:18.38 | archpollux | Kovecses: wondering when it will be in sid |
| 22:18.42 | SimonRaven | you have 6 vts to choose from, it isn't hard to go to another and type that command in |
| 22:18.59 | tabris|away | hell, I have 16 vts... :D |
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| 22:19.06 | teufel_ | !vts |
| 22:19.10 | teufel_ | wtf is vts? |
| 22:19.15 | teufel_ | virtual terminal |
| 22:19.17 | teufel_ | ? |
| 22:19.28 | archpollux | yes, duh |
| 22:19.31 | Dwonis | teufel_: yup |
| 22:19.40 | SimonRaven | i set up 9, kept some free for x and stuff. oh that's the other box. should do that here too |
| 22:19.44 | sisixsisi | how to tell iptables to block all traffic through port 465 ? |
| 22:19.46 | Kovecses | archpollux: hmm. pretty soon it will be in sid |
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| 22:19.52 | teufel_ | oh I forget about those hehe |
| 22:19.54 | archpollux | Kovecses: ok, cool :) |
| 22:20.02 | SimonRaven | (didn't want to bother changing a bunch of stuff to vt12 or something :P) |
| 22:20.08 | streuner | teufel_: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
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| 22:20.22 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: note that you can access *24* vts directly from the Linux console |
| 22:20.32 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: (left alt is different than right-alt from the console) |
| 22:20.41 | SimonRaven | i know. but i like to keep it simple |
| 22:21.05 | teufel_ | streuner: it says intel corp chipset integrated graphics device |
| 22:21.05 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: yeah. I still only have 6 vts. I tend to use xterm instead |
| 22:21.19 | SimonRaven | same here. + screen :) |
| 22:21.25 | teufel_ | streuner: VGA compatible |
| 22:21.26 | streuner | teufel_: ok, go to Intel website and search for a driver then |
| 22:21.34 | sisixsisi | how to tell iptables to block all traffic through port 465 ?any one know ? |
| 22:21.50 | cjaymes | anyone have doubled tracks in alsa? |
| 22:21.52 | streuner | teufel_: or just use VESA |
| 22:22.01 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: It's amazing how many xterms can accumulate when you have "xterm" bound to the Windows key... :) |
| 22:22.06 | robak | elllo How can i change my console resolution For example from 640x480 to 1024x768 My card Intel GM do not accept vesafb module and i don't know hot to chage it |
| 22:22.12 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: heh |
| 22:22.21 | tarzeau | robak: for in console? |
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| 22:22.26 | teufel_ | streuner: vesa isn't working though, I keep getting an error when I startx |
| 22:22.35 | robak | yes in console Not in X |
| 22:22.43 | streuner | teufel_: did you use a knoppix-CD too? |
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| 22:23.01 | teufel_ | streuner: I can try that |
| 22:23.02 | streuner | teufel_: /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:23.03 | robak | on knoppix i have it but in debian not |
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| 22:23.27 | streuner | teufel_: show us the full error in 'paster' too |
| 22:23.27 | cjaymes | *gag* less...chipotle...in...baked...beans! |
| 22:23.32 | textshell | does anyone know, if an stable update is happening at the moment (or recently). I'm seening strage update packages in my sarge install... |
| 22:24.18 | teufel_ | streuner: this is the whole error I get: fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer on x server :0.0 after 0 requests 0 known processed with 0 events remaining |
| 22:24.25 | thingfish | textshell: I just now did an apt-get update, and it looks like Packages is new. |
| 22:24.31 | SimonRaven | look in the x log |
| 22:24.52 | thingfish | oh shit, man, you do have to watch it with those chipotles. They can be extremely hot. |
| 22:24.53 | textshell | thingfish: yes. i was just wondering... |
| 22:25.05 | thingfish | I made the mistake of eating a whole one once. |
| 22:25.10 | SimonRaven | mmm, chipotles |
| 22:25.15 | abrotman | thingfish: duh .. they have a funny name .. they're gonna be hot! |
| 22:25.16 | thingfish | the top of my scalp started sweating. |
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| 22:25.28 | SimonRaven | woohoo, nice |
| 22:25.32 | thingfish | I thought I was going to have a heart attack, my heart was pounding so hard. |
| 22:25.39 | SimonRaven | it's good stuff to cleanse your blood |
| 22:25.42 | cjaymes | I got a whole container of the stuff at sams club |
| 22:25.42 | streuner | teufel_: /var/log/XFree*.log |
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| 22:25.47 | thingfish | abrotman: but they're just smoked jalapenos. |
| 22:25.50 | SimonRaven | garlic too |
| 22:25.56 | thingfish | SimonRaven: you know it. |
| 22:26.07 | cjaymes | a little warm...hmm |
| 22:26.08 | abrotman | funny name .. gonna be hot! |
| 22:26.08 | jjazz | thingfish, smoking jalapenos sounds painful |
| 22:26.11 | thingfish | oh garlic is one of the best things you can consume. |
| 22:26.12 | streuner | teufel_: look there for 'EE' lines and show us the first 2-3 lines |
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| 22:26.28 | thingfish | jjazz: hehe |
| 22:26.38 | thingfish | jjazz: just get real drunk first. |
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| 22:27.35 | SimonRaven | smoking jalapenos: don't try this at home, kids! |
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| 22:27.44 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:27.50 | Kaszim | hello |
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| 22:27.56 | SimonRaven | unless they're sitting on a barbeque :P |
| 22:27.59 | teufel_ | streuner |
| 22:27.59 | goron | Where does Evolution store my mail? |
| 22:28.04 | jjazz | I once snorted unprocessed chocolate because a friend told me it would get me high... ended up with a nose full of chocolate and a laughing girlfriend. |
| 22:28.07 | SimonRaven | ~/ |
| 22:28.08 | apt | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
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| 22:28.21 | teufel_ | streuner: EE VESA(0): no matching movdes |
| 22:28.34 | Dwonis | apt: who has root's homedir set to / in Debian? |
| 22:28.36 | teufel_ | streuner: EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
| 22:28.45 | abrotman | !no screens found |
| 22:28.45 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 22:28.53 | teufel_ | streuner: then---- fatal server error: no screens found |
| 22:28.55 | cjaymes | did it sting? |
| 22:28.59 | cjaymes | the choc? |
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| 22:29.14 | SimonRaven | new glibc debs |
| 22:29.21 | abrotman | boo! |
| 22:29.21 | streuner | teufel_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:29.25 | bucky | teufel_, whats the chipset on your motherboard? |
| 22:29.27 | jjazz | cjaymes, no, not at all... didn't really feel it at all |
| 22:29.35 | SimonRaven | hrm, i should cut those wavs up |
| 22:29.39 | jjazz | cjaymes, and smoking it resulted in nothing more than a little light-headedness |
| 22:29.43 | teufel_ | streuner: I have gone through that a bunch.. what am I sposed to change?? |
| 22:29.45 | goron | SimonRaven: you mean just .evolution? It's not exactly full of mail to say the least. |
| 22:29.47 | abrotman | SimonRaven: use a big knife! |
| 22:29.56 | cjaymes | I would think it would be like drinking it |
| 22:29.59 | streuner | teufel_: choose just 'VESA |
| 22:30.01 | SimonRaven | little one, they're short |
| 22:30.02 | teufel_ | bucky: how can I figure that out? it's a p4 |
| 22:30.18 | teufel_ | streuner: I have... |
| 22:30.21 | SimonRaven | goron: i think it's ~/evo... and not ~/.evo... |
| 22:30.27 | bucky | teufel_, is it one of those new intel 915's |
| 22:30.31 | deadcat | Dwonis: back. hehe. tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN only localhost i guess. dont know what up maybe i should post the cupsd.conf file |
| 22:30.39 | teufel_ | bucky: its an older computer |
| 22:30.39 | SimonRaven | goron: lemme check i ran it a couple of times before i removed it recently |
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| 22:30.43 | thingfish | snorting unprocessed chocolate...now that's a classic. |
| 22:31.00 | abrotman | thingfish: try old bay! |
| 22:31.06 | thingfish | chocolate is full of alkaloids, however, or so I hear. |
| 22:31.07 | bucky | teufel_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ..doesn't it have a i810 driver ? |
| 22:31.15 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:31.24 | SimonRaven | goron: yeh, you're right, .evo |
| 22:31.31 | jjazz | thingfish, it was for science! My friend is a scientist studying ancient ritual uses of various plants, including chocolate. Since most of the stuff he found had halucenogenic properties, he figured chocolate must as well... so we tried it. |
| 22:31.37 | Dwonis | deadcat: Yeah, you probably want to change your "Listen" line to just "Port 631" |
| 22:31.41 | streuner | teufel_: choose a lower resolution too |
| 22:31.46 | deadcat | Dwonis: k |
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| 22:31.55 | thingfish | oh jjazz, I gots to hang out with you and your friends. |
| 22:32.16 | goron | SimonRaven: I mv'd the .evolution a few days ago, and now copied it back, but when I start evolution, it doesn't show the mails :( |
| 22:32.25 | SimonRaven | goron: ~/.evolution/mail/ |
| 22:32.26 | thingfish | all that stuff is really fascinating. |
| 22:32.30 | teufel_ | streuner: I have messed around with reslolution a bunch and it hasn't helped... is there a way to skip to a certain part of dkpg-reconfigure or exit once I have changed the parts I needed to? |
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| 22:32.47 | streuner | teufel_: nope |
| 22:32.49 | SimonRaven | goron: i have 'local' 'imap' 'config' and some other stuff |
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| 22:33.12 | goron | SimonRaven: I also have all those directories, but evolution does not use them when I start it. |
| 22:33.15 | teufel_ | bucky: so try the i810 driver this time? |
| 22:33.18 | kspath | jjazz: note not all chocolate might be equal just as there are naturally occuring variations in species of animals there are in plants even separate from selective breeding |
| 22:33.20 | jjazz | thingfish, this guy is actually rather nice, and he has a huge collection of indigenous plants... if you're looking for your third eye or your spirit animal, it's the way to go. |
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| 22:33.25 | SimonRaven | jjazz: oh, ethnobotany? |
| 22:33.32 | jjazz | SimonRaven, exactly |
| 22:33.41 | thingfish | jjazz: neato |
| 22:33.47 | thingfish | fascinating field. |
| 22:33.47 | jjazz | kspath, you're just trying to get me to smoke more chocolate! |
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| 22:33.57 | kspath | lol |
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| 22:34.06 | streuner | teufel_: choose '16' bit instead of '24' too |
| 22:34.07 | thingfish | I have an MA in theology, so I could put that to good use in psychopharmacology and religion. |
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| 22:34.30 | thingfish | I've often thought that if I were to go back to school, I'd study anthropology. |
| 22:34.35 | jjazz | thingfish, it is. I have to say, though, that a lot of the stuff used in South American ritual practice is really not suitable for casual use. I mean, seeing the face of god isn't exactly a good time. |
| 22:34.43 | goron | SimonRaven: Oh, I have my addressbook, and my sent mail, but not my inbox mail, nor my settings of the servers... |
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| 22:34.57 | SimonRaven | jjazz: does have any info on crees? i'm part cree (and part a bunch of other nations ;) and my folks are all out west (plains and northwestern cree) |
| 22:35.01 | kspath | jjazz: my point is that that chocolate usage might have been a different plant or been fermented or otherwise processed |
| 22:35.06 | SimonRaven | goron: myabe you forgot to move something? |
| 22:35.27 | Dwonis | deadcat: I've posted my config files to http://rivest.dlitz.net/~dwon/cups/server/ |
| 22:35.31 | deadcat | k |
| 22:35.36 | deadcat | Dwonis: because mine aint working |
| 22:35.38 | thingfish | jjazz: well, one wouldn't enter into such an endeavor lightly. You'd have to listen to the people whose culture understood and used these substances. |
| 22:35.53 | goron | SimonRaven: "something", yeah, that's an easy one :) |
| 22:35.57 | kspath | thingfish: exactly |
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| 22:36.03 | jjazz | kspath, yes, you're right. Researchers have found choolate residue in tools they think were used to give enemas. The theory was that if anybody is taking the stuff rectally, it's because it gets you high. No modern person has tried it yet, AFAIK. |
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| 22:36.08 | Dwonis | deadcat: but don't just copy my configs, because they won't work that way : |
| 22:36.10 | Dwonis | :) |
| 22:36.10 | goron | SimonRaven: To what emailclient did you switch? |
| 22:36.11 | jjazz | thingfish, yes |
| 22:36.13 | SimonRaven | goron: well, i don't what you did |
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| 22:36.19 | cuti | help, how do i remove alsa |
| 22:36.23 | cuti | and install oss :D |
| 22:36.25 | SimonRaven | goron: i usually use mutt or muttng |
| 22:36.33 | thingfish | I mean, I'm not interested in drug trips. |
| 22:36.36 | deadcat | Dwonis: (= |
| 22:36.40 | SimonRaven | goron: er, don't know what * |
| 22:36.41 | jjazz | SimonRaven, my friend has never mentioned Crees. Most of what he's doing is in Peru right now. |
| 22:36.46 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 22:36.49 | cjaymes | jjazz, coffee enemas? |
| 22:36.54 | SimonRaven | different continent ;) |
| 22:37.02 | goron | SimonRaven: How hard is it to configure mutt? |
| 22:37.06 | jjazz | cjaymes, chocolate, not coffee. |
| 22:37.27 | jjazz | SimonRaven, yes. Different climate = different plants |
| 22:37.38 | deadcat | Dwonis: i get this when i uncomment Port 631: Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited with status 98! |
| 22:37.54 | SimonRaven | goron: have man muttrc open, and start editing. it's easy, really. there used to be a site to help you make a muttrc. you could also check out their web site |
| 22:38.13 | cjaymes | jjazz, yeah, people do it w/ coffee now |
| 22:38.14 | goron | SimonRaven: and you would recommend muttng? |
| 22:38.27 | jjazz | cjaymes, interesting... what's the effect? Caffeine buzz? |
| 22:38.37 | cjaymes | not done personally :) |
| 22:38.42 | cjaymes | janet jackson does it |
| 22:38.51 | thingfish | does she really. |
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| 22:38.56 | teufel_ | str |
| 22:38.57 | SimonRaven | jjazz: i often use stuff like sweet flag/bitter root, tobacco, sage, and a few others. medicine plants |
| 22:39.03 | cjaymes | pretty sure |
| 22:39.04 | jjazz | cjaymes, interesting... gonna have to google that |
| 22:39.08 | kspath | jjazz: plus there is always a chance of a genetic reason for it working on natives and not others or based on their diet or other habits SO MANY possibilites it boggles |
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| 22:39.22 | thingfish | I wonder what madonna thinks about coffee enemas...she'd have to OK it first, for me to try it. |
| 22:39.24 | cjaymes | like cat nip |
| 22:39.26 | jjazz | kspath, yes. It's way way complicated |
| 22:39.28 | SimonRaven | goron: it's got a few extra features than mutt. you could start with mutt, then go on to muttng if you like |
| 22:39.43 | goron | SimonRaven: there's no muttng in Debian, right? |
| 22:40.25 | SimonRaven | kspath: yeh, like peyotl being very good for natives. oh, and if you aren't serious, it'll kick you in the ass ;) |
| 22:40.26 | teufel_ | streuner, bucky, ok I guess the i810 driver is what I wanted... thanks guys |
| 22:40.30 | bucky | goron you must be thinking of pine |
| 22:40.37 | SimonRaven | goron: sec |
| 22:40.48 | thingfish | I tried peyote once. I guess I didn't eat enough of it. |
| 22:40.59 | goron | bucky: oh, I just started an e-mail client war? |
| 22:41.04 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: network connection for my knoppix->debian cludge now working, ended up being a combination of dead router and linux box hard-coded (non-dhcp) to the ip address it would get off that router which meant it wouldn't work in any other ethernet port |
| 22:41.04 | streuner | teufel_: you're welcome |
| 22:41.15 | bucky | goron, no.. pine isnt' available in debian |
| 22:41.20 | cjaymes | isn't peyote made from agave? |
| 22:41.29 | Dwonis | Stephen_: ah, yeah, that makes sense. Good job :) |
| 22:41.36 | thingfish | peyote is made from peyote. |
| 22:41.45 | cjaymes | peyote plant? |
| 22:41.48 | deadcat | Dwonis: damn )= still showing localhost in netstat |
| 22:41.48 | teufel_ | streuner: I think my comp froze though, it has the ugly grey screen with the x curser, but doesn't recognize click events and wont switch to other virtual terminals now |
| 22:41.48 | SimonRaven | goron: in experimental |
| 22:41.53 | thingfish | peyote is a spineless cactus, growing in the mexican sonora desert. |
| 22:42.01 | teufel_ | streuner: the curser moves with the mouse though... lol |
| 22:42.01 | cjaymes | he he |
| 22:42.04 | goron | SimonRaven: ok, then mutt it's going to be. |
| 22:42.08 | cjaymes | you spineless cactus you! |
| 22:42.12 | ke6isf | If, for instance, I was searching for "news reader" in apt-cache, what term would I put after 'apt-cache search' to ensure that the search criteria was "news reader"? |
| 22:42.14 | thingfish | peyote has over 20 psychoactive alkaloids in it. |
| 22:42.24 | cjaymes | something for everyone |
| 22:42.25 | Dwonis | deadcat: I assume you're doing "invoke-rc.d cupsys restart" every time you make a change? |
| 22:42.28 | thingfish | mescaline being the primary one. |
| 22:42.35 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: news, as in usenet, or rss feeds? |
| 22:42.43 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Usenet |
| 22:42.47 | deadcat | Dwonis: yes. /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 22:42.47 | textshell | teufel_: try alt-ctrl-backspace. |
| 22:42.48 | teufel_ | streuner: and nevermind again, I guess it's just loading REALLY slowly.. wtf |
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| 22:43.01 | SimonRaven | stick with the obvious keywords |
| 22:43.04 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: In short, I'm trying to find an alternative to pan, since pan is barfing on the sheer number of newsgroups in the list. |
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| 22:43.14 | teufel_ | textshell: what does that do? |
| 22:43.14 | bucky | Stephen_, oh and guess what.. if your router is a dhcp server it has a reserved range of IP's and you can't use those IP's in a static config on the client |
| 22:43.21 | SimonRaven | console i assume you want |
| 22:43.37 | kspath | slrn? |
| 22:43.38 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Graphical is actually preferred. I don't much care for (t)rn or the like. |
| 22:43.44 | streuner | teufel_: reboot your system |
| 22:43.46 | textshell | teufel_: it's a force the x-server to terminate key-combo |
| 22:43.57 | teufel_ | ah cool thanks |
| 22:43.59 | kspath | thunderbird |
| 22:44.06 | ke6isf | thunderbird does usenet? |
| 22:44.08 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: knode is decent (though it pulls in kde stuff) |
| 22:44.12 | cuti | so can you help me |
| 22:44.16 | cuti | how do i remove alsa |
| 22:44.16 | SimonRaven | oh yeh, thunderbird |
| 22:44.17 | textshell | streuner: with backspace it's not reboot ;) |
| 22:44.20 | nkuttler | thunderbird eats your posts |
| 22:44.22 | teufel_ | its loading up stuff really slowly now, I wonder why its going so f'ing slow. The computer that I have with debian that is like 100x worse than this loads up way faster |
| 22:44.25 | Dwonis | deadcat: I'm pretty sure it's something to do with the Listen / Port lines. Keep picking at it. |
| 22:44.31 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Meh, I'm already running gnome. Bloat plus bloat is just more bloat. Will try tbird. |
| 22:44.45 | SimonRaven | stick with one bloat ;) |
| 22:44.49 | bucky | yay for bloat! |
| 22:44.58 | Stephen_ | bucky: the ip address I was using .4 was the one that the router was supposed to assign my computer. I'm relatively sure that the router is dead, which was the problem. |
| 22:45.01 | deadcat | Dwonis: ok. thanks |
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| 22:45.18 | kspath | I miss nn |
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| 22:45.40 | bucky | Stephen_, if your router is a dhcp server it has a reserved range of IP's and you can't use those IP's in a static config on the client |
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| 22:45.50 | kspath | still can not believe how far we have come when trn was a new thing |
| 22:46.01 | Dwonis | deadcat: it might *also* be other things, but you should be able to get it to listen on all interfaces. |
| 22:46.03 | goron | SimonRaven: the muttrc is unreadable when you are new to mutt. I just want to configure my imap mail and read it. I will check the website for a manual. |
| 22:46.20 | deadcat | Dwonis: thanks. i am gonna take a break. )= |
| 22:46.37 | SimonRaven | goron: basically it's setting=value |
| 22:46.47 | kspath | mutt does imap? |
| 22:46.53 | goron | SimonRaven: yes, but there are millions of settings :P |
| 22:46.53 | SimonRaven | sure |
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| 22:47.02 | kspath | I am the dumb |
| 22:47.04 | bbrazil | kspath: mutt -f imap://user@host/ |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | kspath: we know .. we can smell it :) |
| 22:47.11 | kspath | omg |
| 22:47.19 | Dwonis | kspath: mutt does all sorts of weird things you wouldn't expect. |
| 22:47.22 | Stephen_ | I may get around to installing debian using debian instead of via knoppix somerday, but since it is working again, I'll probably wait until I choose to migrate to retire this box and upgrade to a newer one (my linux box is currently a P-III 500, so building/buying a new machine soon is quite tempting!) |
| 22:47.24 | Dwonis | s/weird/useful/ |
| 22:47.28 | SimonRaven | set include=ask-yes |
| 22:47.33 | SimonRaven | e.g. |
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| 22:48.06 | Dwonis | Stephen_: Yeah, there's not necessarily anything wrong with the Knoppix->Debian hack. You just can't expect Debian people to know how to (or care to) support it. |
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| 22:48.23 | najat | hi everyone |
| 22:48.26 | Dwonis | Stephen_: You could always bug #knoppix :) |
| 22:48.35 | Gandalfar | The /etc/hosts file is system wide. Can I give one application different one? |
| 22:48.36 | SimonRaven | everyone isn't here |
| 22:48.39 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 22:48.42 | kspath | I started using mutt back when FBSD was 2.X because elm and pine used to puke on my mailbox size never thought to try it with imap but imap is kinda bloatish |
| 22:48.45 | najat | lol |
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| 22:48.49 | bucky | goron, here's a muttrc http://www.spinnaker.de/mutt/muttrc look for the imap section |
| 22:49.01 | goron | bucky: thanks |
| 22:49.04 | TTT_Travis | if someone can help me write this please send me a PM: http://pastebin.com/469468 |
| 22:49.13 | cjaymes | bloatish? that's what MS Exhcnage is based on! |
| 22:49.14 | SimonRaven | !pm me |
| 22:49.17 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:49.27 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: trying to fake a hostname for a specific app |
| 22:49.39 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: which app and why? |
| 22:49.50 | teufel_ | is there a way to run a c# program on a linux comp? |
| 22:49.51 | diana | Where can I get the one-liner for "/msg dpkg testing security" so I don't get warning from apt about gpg keys |
| 22:50.00 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: java/tomcat |
| 22:50.03 | bbrazil | teufel_: mono |
| 22:50.03 | najat | i have a problem with debian etch.. somthing weird... when im conecting with pppoe... nautilus is tooo slow... almost freez |
| 22:50.12 | najat | someone know what happend plz? |
| 22:50.25 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: because I want to override something until the original author can be reached |
| 22:50.28 | teufel_ | bbrazil: thanks I'll look into it |
| 22:50.37 | najat | when i log off nautilos is ok |
| 22:50.50 | najat | wierd... |
| 22:50.55 | Stephen_ | Dwonis: Except since I've been apt-get updating off of debian.org for 2.5 years, I might not be knoppix-like enough for them. (That and didn't know about that channel. This is my first time on IRC.) |
| 22:50.59 | najat | what pppoe does to my nautilus? |
| 22:51.08 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: hmm, I'd suggest working around it. see LD_PRELOAD |
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| 22:51.09 | Dwonis | Stephen_: lol :) |
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| 22:51.29 | najat | nobody knows what happend ?? |
| 22:51.44 | goron | SimonRaven: me? |
| 22:52.05 | najat | its very annoy conect to internet and couldnt browse my hd with nautilus |
| 22:52.07 | Dwonis | najat: perhaps something is adding stupid routes or firewall rules? |
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| 22:52.10 | Stephen_ | Thx for the help everyone, since everything is now working, I think it is time to go make dinner. |
| 22:52.20 | Dwonis | Stephen_: no problem |
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| 22:52.29 | bleaked | excuse my ignorance, but is the init system, or rather the look of the text you see flying across your screen when you boot distro specific, or can that be easily changed? |
| 22:52.35 | textshell | najat: ist "host www.debian.org" slow too? |
| 22:52.39 | cr3 | I'm trying to install the acroread package but apt-get tells me there is no such candidate. I thought there was a package for acroread, isn't there? |
| 22:52.40 | najat | dwonis.. i didnt configure some firewall |
| 22:52.42 | SimonRaven | goron: no, i was looking for a factoid :) |
| 22:52.44 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: whoa, this looks evil :) |
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| 22:53.02 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: that's what its usually used for |
| 22:53.02 | najat | textshell why? |
| 22:53.14 | g3brown | Is there a text gui way to enable disable stuff in the /etc/inetd.d.conf ? |
| 22:53.23 | SimonRaven | cr3: xpdf, or other. acroread is non-free |
| 22:53.26 | Dwonis | najat: It could also be Nautilus trying to access some network resource all the time (stupid but I suppose possible). When you're *not* connected, it just gets an error right away, instead of waiting. |
| 22:53.35 | Dwonis | najat: But I don't use Nautilus much, so I'm just speculating |
| 22:53.36 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: anything more simple then writting my own override for internal java `host` lookup? |
| 22:53.40 | bucky | g3brown, update-rc.d -f <service> remove |
| 22:53.54 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: what you are trying to do is extremely odd |
| 22:53.57 | najat | Dwonis: hmm |
| 22:54.07 | cr3 | SimonRaven: I thought I had unfree in sources.list |
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| 22:54.16 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: using LD_PRELOAD to overwrite gethostbyname() is probably the easiest way |
| 22:54.23 | najat | Dwonis: but how i can see it? |
| 22:54.24 | textshell | najat: dns problems can slow things down a lot... |
| 22:54.29 | rdancer | hmm, sound doesn't work in a fresh install of testing. as in, mpg321 says "Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)" |
| 22:54.37 | cr3 | how can I list files only in a directory but not directories? |
| 22:54.43 | abrotman | rdancer: are you in the audio group ? |
| 22:54.49 | rdancer | abrotman: thx |
| 22:54.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:54.54 | diana | Is there a gpg key for testing security? |
| 22:54.56 | SimonRaven | cr3: non-free |
| 22:54.59 | SimonRaven | !non-free |
| 22:54.59 | dpkg | methinks non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 22:55.00 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: random thought - is this a hardcoded server that the app is trying to access? |
| 22:55.03 | najat | textshell: only nautilus is slow when im coneccting |
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| 22:55.22 | g3brown | bucky: some stuff has #<off># in front of it. Looks like something edited it. I would want a list like with sysvconfig. |
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| 22:55.30 | textshell | najat: it's a simple yes/no test ;) |
| 22:55.33 | rdancer | abrotman: eh, i am (although i didn't add myself by hand) |
| 22:55.37 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: mhm, I move the app from one server to another |
| 22:55.44 | najat | textshell: lol |
| 22:55.49 | diana | http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc |
| 22:55.54 | diana | Once I download this what do I do with it? |
| 22:56.25 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: you could use some NAT |
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| 22:56.30 | SimonRaven | !apt-key |
| 22:56.35 | SimonRaven | !apt-secure |
| 22:56.36 | dpkg | apt secure is probably in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
| 22:56.38 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: iptables rules? |
| 22:56.42 | SimonRaven | diana: ^^^ |
| 22:56.46 | bucky | g3brown, oh... /etc/inetd.d.conf threw me off.. yeah just comment out the service in /etc/inetd.conf and invoke-rc.d inetd restart |
| 22:56.49 | diana | SimonRaven: that doesn't help me...i read that. |
| 22:56.53 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: yip, messy but easier for a quick hack |
| 22:56.56 | diana | SimonRaven: I added the apt-key line for marillat |
| 22:57.55 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: actually if its doing its own host lookups you might be able to redirect DNS queries for one user to a different DNS server, but thats even hackier |
| 22:57.57 | SimonRaven | # gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys $KEY_ID; gpg --export $KEY_ID | apt-key add - |
| 22:57.59 | hammerabi | diana: sudo apt-key add whateva.asc |
| 22:58.16 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: just out of curiosity, how does one do that? :) |
| 22:58.45 | hammerabi | LD_PRELOAD hack |
| 22:58.46 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: I don't know if iptables fully supports it, but DNAT combined with ipt_owner |
| 22:58.56 | hammerabi | ah, evil |
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| 22:59.14 | SimonRaven | bsims: safe bet |
| 22:59.27 | Cobain | i'm getting all kinds of errors configuring zope every time i use apt-get.. i never really wanted zope in the first place how can i remove it? |
| 22:59.30 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: cool :) |
| 22:59.42 | hammerabi | as long as you don't care about window being able to ue it, ext3 is the way to go |
| 22:59.51 | hammerabi | Cobain: find out what's failing and fix it |
| 22:59.58 | bsims | SimonRaven: only thing is that would intail changing some mountpoints but <g> |
| 23:00.02 | hammerabi | Cobain: the obvious first step would be to actually show us the error (e.g. #flood) |
| 23:00.07 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: note that all these solutions fall into the category of magic |
| 23:00.20 | SimonRaven | bsims: backups are very much worth it ;) |
| 23:00.26 | bsims | indeed |
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| 23:00.36 | Sebischn | is there any good howto, that describes how to install debian on a remote box (no local access) ? |
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| 23:00.43 | Cobain | Compiling /usr/lib/zope2.7/lib/python/Products/CMFPlone/skins/plone_styles/hide_columns.py |
| 23:00.52 | Cobain | SyntaxError: 'return' outside function |
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| 23:01.05 | Dwonis | Sebischn: Be very very careful, and know what you're doing :) |
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| 23:01.15 | hammerabi | Cobain: that's not the full error (e.g. it doesn't show us what package failed) |
| 23:01.16 | Dwonis | Sebischn: Also, get familiar with debootstrap |
| 23:01.22 | hammerabi | presumably plone |
| 23:01.29 | Sebischn | i have a rescue system and can restore it... thats no problem |
| 23:01.31 | BrainDamage | hi everybody, i have a little problem :))) how doesn't have...??? :))) |
| 23:01.33 | Cobain | dpkg: error processing zope2.7 (--configure): |
| 23:01.33 | Cobain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.53 | diana_ | How do I change what dpkg says? |
| 23:01.57 | hammerabi | Cobain: add "exit 0" as the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/zope2.7.postinst |
| 23:02.03 | hammerabi | diana: the bot? |
| 23:02.04 | Sebischn | hmmmm deboostrap... I'll take a look at it.. thx Dwonis |
| 23:02.05 | diana | SimonRaven: But there is no line for this particular site. |
| 23:02.08 | diana_ | hammerabi: yes |
| 23:02.14 | Dwonis | Sebischn: Search Google for debian remote install |
| 23:02.26 | hammerabi | diana_: /msg dpkg no, foo is bar baz quuz thump |
| 23:02.33 | diana_ | k |
| 23:02.33 | BrainDamage | i can't connect to internet as regular user, only as root, and that is because there is no "pppd", only root have pppd |
| 23:02.47 | SimonRaven | er, don't do that |
| 23:02.50 | SimonRaven | !foo |
| 23:02.50 | dpkg | foo is, like, the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 23:02.58 | hammerabi | BrainDamage: "adduser yourusername dialout" |
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| 23:03.27 | BrainDamage | hammerabi, wooowww...what is "dialout"??? |
| 23:03.35 | SimonRaven | a group name |
| 23:03.41 | hammerabi | BrainDamage: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/ |
| 23:03.50 | glasse | The url tuxedo.org needs to be changed. |
| 23:03.59 | glasse | I think it should be http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html |
| 23:04.08 | SimonRaven | so change it |
| 23:04.10 | rdancer | do i have to have alsa-base installed in order for my sndcard to work? |
| 23:04.10 | goron | SimonRaven: I have to put in my imap password plaintext in muttrc? |
| 23:04.13 | bsims | Hrm can I have multiple mountpoints defined for the same /dev entries? |
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| 23:04.16 | Sebischn | Dwoins : already doing that :D |
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| 23:04.28 | Kovecses | those kde 3.5 packages work pretty well |
| 23:04.33 | SimonRaven | goron: yes, or you can type it in whenever it asks for it |
| 23:04.38 | goron | SimonRaven: I haven't found a "set up imap the simple way". |
| 23:04.54 | glasse | SimonRaven: OK, done. |
| 23:05.23 | SimonRaven | goron: sec, i'll paste some relevant stuffs |
| 23:05.48 | teufel_ | what is that gui package selecter called again? Where you can see what packages you have and dont have etc... |
| 23:05.49 | Dwonis | goron: Best thing to do would be to make a separate file with *only* your password, and chmod it 600, and include it from your regular muttrc |
| 23:06.09 | hammerabi | teufel_: synaptic? |
| 23:06.21 | Dwonis | goron: then you don't accidentally send your password to people when they ask to see your muttrc :) |
| 23:06.27 | teufel_ | hammerabi: yep thanks |
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| 23:06.41 | goron | Dwonis: thanks for the tip, but I am not that far yet. |
| 23:06.46 | BrainDamage | hammerabi, thank you!!!! |
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| 23:07.20 | Dwonis | goron: ah, you just seemed a little apprehensive about putting a password in your config file, but maybe that was just my imagination |
| 23:07.35 | diana_ | hammerabi: How do I set a new variable with dpkg? |
| 23:07.47 | g3brown | Got Samba setup with user level access. What is typical create mask and directory mask? 0660 and 0770 ? |
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| 23:08.07 | bucky | diana_, become an op |
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| 23:08.23 | diana_ | lol |
| 23:08.27 | bucky | !badger diana_ |
| 23:08.27 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 23:08.30 | Kovecses | whats the apt command to check a packages version? |
| 23:08.53 | diana_ | Kovecses: dpkg -al|grep -i package |
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| 23:08.54 | rdancer | seems like alsa-base really was the problem... |
| 23:09.00 | Kovecses | ty |
| 23:09.03 | bbrazil | Kovecses: dpkg -l package |
| 23:09.32 | NyteRukh | hi |
| 23:10.00 | endri | hi |
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| 23:10.06 | Kovecses | so openoffice 2 is in unstable? |
| 23:10.07 | Gnea | argh, this nvidia thing is driving me up the wall |
| 23:10.12 | Gnea | Kovecses: yeah |
| 23:10.16 | endri | can sb tell me how to change ls colors |
| 23:10.16 | Kovecses | nice |
| 23:10.32 | Kovecses | Gnea: what is the error you are getting? |
| 23:10.34 | Tortel | where is a USB device located? |
| 23:10.38 | Tortel | /dev/usb? |
| 23:10.41 | Dwonis | bucky: /mode #debian +o Dwonis doesn't do anything ;) |
| 23:10.42 | Gnea | endri: edit ~/.bashrc |
| 23:11.01 | Gnea | Kovecses: oh man, it's locking the whole system up - i can sysrq to reboot |
| 23:11.10 | bucky | Dwonis, don't feel bad |
| 23:11.20 | citral | Dwonis: try /msg ChanServ op #debian Dwonis, who knows... :) |
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| 23:11.47 | Dwonis | citral: no go :-P |
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| 23:12.05 | citral | no luck then :P |
| 23:12.15 | Gnea | Kovecses: basically it kernel panics - if i modprobe nvidia and then cat /dev/nvidia0 it takes about 5-8 seconds and then BAM, outputs a bunch of text regarding it and freezes the system... can't get it to output to a file either, the system locks up before it can page the file |
| 23:12.18 | SimonRaven | goron: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1303 |
| 23:12.29 | diana_ | hammerabi: Who is the bot master? |
| 23:12.34 | Kovecses | debian sid is more stable then breezy |
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| 23:12.36 | krym | hi |
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| 23:12.49 | Kovecses | Gnea: what nvidia drivers are you using? |
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| 23:12.57 | krym | please how to add a module to a netboot kernel ? |
| 23:13.09 | Gnea | Kovecses: 8174 out of sid on a 2.6.14 kernel (custom built) |
| 23:13.10 | OpenSores | what package do i need to install for GLib 2.0 ? |
| 23:13.19 | Gnea | !tell krym about initrd |
| 23:13.27 | hammerabi | diana_: dondelelcaro, but any user can alter factoids |
| 23:13.36 | hammerabi | OpenSores: to do what? |
| 23:13.37 | chance2105 | Is it possible to compile a package from source, and make a debian package of the results to be able to easily install it? |
| 23:13.40 | Kovecses | Gnea: if i rebuild my kernel then make install... will that add it to grub? |
| 23:13.46 | Gnea | chance2105: yes. |
| 23:13.48 | Kovecses | chance2105: of course |
| 23:13.50 | OpenSores | hammerabi, I want to install Gaim 2.0, it says I need GLib |
| 23:13.51 | hammerabi | chance2105: is the package in Debian? |
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| 23:14.02 | citral | Kovecses: only if youcompile it with make-kpkg |
| 23:14.08 | Gnea | Kovecses: no - you have to use make-kpkg |
| 23:14.18 | Gnea | Kovecses: otherwise it's done by hand |
| 23:14.20 | diana_ | hammerabi: How can I remove a factoid I added? |
| 23:14.27 | hammerabi | diana_: /msg dpkg forget factoid |
| 23:14.33 | Kovecses | Gnea: well it cant be that hard to make it bootable with menuconfig |
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| 23:14.47 | hammerabi | OpenSores: sudo apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 23:14.48 | textshell | OpenSores: libglib2.0 but normally you should not use dpkg direktly to install software like gaim. aptitude or synaptics is was easier |
| 23:15.03 | krym | Gnea, it's not my question :-( |
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| 23:15.10 | hammerabi | OpenSores: assuming that when yo usay "install" you mean "compile" |
| 23:15.13 | krym | I have to add a simple module (bcm5700) |
| 23:15.22 | krym | if I recompile all the kernel the install failed |
| 23:15.29 | hammerabi | krym: don't bother recompiling it |
| 23:15.42 | krym | ok |
| 23:15.47 | hammerabi | just load the module from a floppy or usb device |
| 23:15.59 | OpenSores | hammerabi, yeah compile |
| 23:16.10 | krym | :-( |
| 23:16.10 | Gnea | Kovecses: ok here's the deal - i originally had turned on the framebuffer (vesa) along with boot logo support - that caused it to dive hard like it's doing now (the difference was that i could SAK the X process and get to other terminals - i can't do that now) |
| 23:16.18 | OpenSores | textshell, but how can I install Gaim 2.0 with dpkg? |
| 23:16.28 | hammerabi | !+info gaim sid |
| 23:16.30 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:16.33 | abrotman | !info gaim sid |
| 23:16.45 | krym | I need to compile the module for this kernel ? no ? |
| 23:16.50 | Gnea | Kovecses: so i went and turned the boot logo option off - i was able to see things again but X wasn't loading right, failing with an error that i could not determine |
| 23:16.51 | Kovecses | OpenSores: there is a universal installer on the website |
| 23:16.52 | OpenSores | textshell, the latest version shown on dpkg is 1.2 |
| 23:16.55 | hammerabi | krym: yes |
| 23:17.03 | krym | but how to ? |
| 23:17.10 | hammerabi | krym: simpler would be to get another NIC or use an install CD |
| 23:17.15 | Kovecses | Gnea: wow ..... i wouldnt even know where to start |
| 23:17.18 | Gnea | Kovecses: so i went and turned off framebuffer support altogether and now it's doing the hardlocks - so i'm gonna go back a step and turn the vesa fb back on and go from there |
| 23:17.28 | Gnea | Kovecses: like i said, it's a fucked problem :) |
| 23:17.35 | krym | I can't it's for a laptop without floppy and cdrom |
| 23:17.36 | textshell | OpenSores: ok, then you need to install it a bit different... |
| 23:18.05 | hammerabi | krym: it will be highly painful to do this without an install CD then |
| 23:18.06 | limpio | how do i switch btwn open channels with the keys in xchat? |
| 23:18.08 | krym | I can change the kernel and load the module |
| 23:18.15 | krym | but after that the installation return error to me |
| 23:18.26 | Gnea | krym: initrd is what loads modules for a kernel at boottime to detect hardware not otherwise detected - otherwise, compile your own kernel with the specific hardware requirements built-in |
| 23:18.26 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-1 (sid), Packaged size: 831 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
| 23:18.27 | abrotman | limpio: tab and enter |
| 23:18.28 | krym | because the processus need a special kernel to load some modules |
| 23:18.34 | hammerabi | krym: there's no point telling us things like that without showing us the error |
| 23:18.41 | hammerabi | krym: that seems unlikely |
| 23:18.42 | goron | SimonRaven: thanks, I can read the IMAP mail. |
| 23:18.43 | krym | and after that the system doesn't recognize my hd |
| 23:18.48 | endri | what do i have to change in .bashrc to change ls colors |
| 23:19.02 | goron | SimonRaven: bye |
| 23:19.07 | textshell | OpenSores: If your compiling gaim from source you need the build tools and libglib2.0-dev |
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| 23:19.13 | Gnea | krym: your best bet then is to recompile a kernel to be netbooted that knows every bit of your hardware compiled into it |
| 23:19.24 | OpenSores | ok, i'm installing libglib now |
| 23:19.30 | pingouin | what's the /bin/sh: bad interpreter error means..when i want to install software ./blahblah.run ? |
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| 23:19.42 | krym | one second :) |
| 23:19.43 | Gnea | krym: or if you can figure the initrd out, make sure it's loading the modules necessary to detect your hard drive hardware |
| 23:19.59 | hammerabi | endri: read it |
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| 23:20.04 | textshell | pingouin: check that files permissions. |
| 23:20.08 | krym | ok |
| 23:20.14 | hammerabi | OpenSores: libglib is of no use for compiling gaim |
| 23:20.22 | krym | it's ok if I compile my own kernel and modify the inirtd ... |
| 23:20.27 | pingouin | ok |
| 23:20.30 | OpenSores | *** GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib |
| 23:20.39 | textshell | OpenSores: libglib2.0-dev |
| 23:20.39 | Gnea | good thing i have a compile farm to do these kernels fast |
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| 23:20.53 | Gnea | too bad the amd64 won't compile the byte code correctly |
| 23:20.53 | krym | but debian tell me that the installation can't continue because my kernel isn't the same like the ftp ... |
| 23:20.59 | OpenSores | oh right, i'm installing that too |
| 23:21.18 | bbrazil | pingouin: check the filesystem you're on isn't mounted noexec |
| 23:21.33 | limpio | abrotman, thx |
| 23:21.36 | hammerabi | OpenSores: just running the command I told you to run would have solved this and future problems already... |
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| 23:22.02 | hammerabi | krym: download a Debian install cd, not a netinst one. |
| 23:22.07 | textshell | OpenSores: you will need a lot of -dev packages to compile gaim ... maybe they got a list on the website... |
| 23:22.16 | krym | hammerabi, ? |
| 23:22.22 | krym | I use netboot.tar.gz |
| 23:22.38 | krym | I have just to add my nic moduel to this solution |
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| 23:22.41 | NyteRukh | k this is odd |
| 23:22.42 | hammerabi | krym: so, ignore that |
| 23:22.45 | citral | OpenSores: apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 23:22.46 | hammerabi | krym: and get an install cd |
| 23:22.50 | krym | ? |
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| 23:23.05 | hammerabi | textshell: uh, apt-cache showsrc gaim. |
| 23:23.06 | krym | my laptop don't use cd and floppy |
| 23:23.09 | OpenSores | will that install gaim 2.0 though? |
| 23:23.14 | NyteRukh | how come after i rebooted i dont have sound anymore |
| 23:23.15 | hammerabi | roler: postgrey has been working well for me for a while |
| 23:23.18 | pingouin | bbrazil: ok thanks also that should be something like this |
| 23:23.22 | hammerabi | OpenSores: no, just run it already |
| 23:23.23 | Tortel | any ideas on why hotplug stops loading up at usb? |
| 23:23.24 | NyteRukh | no apt-get install gaim will |
| 23:23.29 | krym | it's THE problem :) |
| 23:23.31 | Tortel | ive made no changes to it |
| 23:23.38 | OpenSores | ok.. sorry i got distracted earlier.. |
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| 23:24.14 | krym | If I want to add a module to a kernel I have to compile the module in a system who use THIS kernel ? |
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| 23:24.16 | roler | hammerabi, ; i was thinking about using the challange auto-reply system but here on #debian and everyone else said no. I think once I install spam assassin and clamav I will be golden |
| 23:24.25 | hammerabi | krym: nope |
| 23:24.28 | textshell | OpenSores: "apt-get build-dep gaim" will install packages needed to build the old version of gaim, but the new gaim will need mostly the same.. |
| 23:24.34 | ramo | adil!!! |
| 23:24.44 | OpenSores | ok, i understand now |
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| 23:25.00 | hammerabi | roler: c/r is evil, but SA took a fair amount of tuning for me before it worked well |
| 23:25.01 | ramo | serhaaattt |
| 23:25.04 | hammerabi | and still let some spam through |
| 23:25.09 | hammerabi | ramo: stop it |
| 23:25.15 | krym | so what can I do ? :) |
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| 23:25.38 | Gnea | wtf, there's an nvidiafb now |
| 23:25.40 | hammerabi | krym: compile the module against the kernel headers for the install kernel |
| 23:25.41 | krym | I can change the original initrd from netboot |
| 23:25.57 | krym | ok |
| 23:26.18 | krym | how to compile against this special headers ? |
| 23:26.27 | krym | please |
| 23:26.27 | ramo | kann jemand deutsch von euch |
| 23:26.31 | hammerabi | krym: depends on the module |
| 23:26.36 | streuner | ramo: english please. |
| 23:26.45 | ramo | oh je |
| 23:26.51 | krym | 2.6.12-1 |
| 23:26.56 | krym | sorry |
| 23:27.01 | limpio | abrotman: ctrl+pageup/down :) |
| 23:27.06 | Gnea | !ge |
| 23:27.07 | dpkg | hmm... ge is Georgia |
| 23:27.08 | Gnea | !de |
| 23:27.08 | krym | the module is bcm5700 not suitable into the kernel |
| 23:27.09 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 23:27.22 | krym | into the kernel source I want to mean |
| 23:27.25 | ramo | o.k |
| 23:27.27 | hammerabi | krym: what is your native language? |
| 23:27.36 | krym | hammerabi, french :-( |
| 23:27.42 | ke6isf | There doesn't seem to be a killfile option in thunderbird. =/ |
| 23:27.44 | hammerabi | !+french |
| 23:27.44 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:27.48 | michael | can root see what password a current user on the system has at the moment? how? |
| 23:27.52 | abrotman | limpio: that too :) |
| 23:27.52 | hammerabi | krym: maybe #debian-fr would be able to help you better |
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| 23:27.54 | hammerabi | michael: no |
| 23:27.59 | doub | hi there |
| 23:28.00 | hammerabi | michael: not without installing a keylogger |
| 23:28.08 | krym | I allready try to get help in this channel ... |
| 23:28.16 | roler | woop |
| 23:28.20 | krym | they are unable to help me :) |
| 23:28.26 | krym | they don't understand the problem |
| 23:28.29 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 23:28.29 | dpkg | [module-assistant] a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 23:28.30 | hammerabi | krym: then perhaps try the debian french user list |
| 23:28.37 | streuner | krym: its time to read then |
| 23:28.49 | krym | streuner, ? |
| 23:28.49 | krym | :) |
| 23:29.12 | streuner | krym: well, if you think you are more clever just read and search for help then |
| 23:29.23 | hammerabi | streuner: that's not a very useful attitude |
| 23:29.31 | hammerabi | streuner: unless you're pointing krym at a particular document |
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| 23:29.41 | loopdee | maybe can take the hard drive out to put in a desktop and load that way... ? |
| 23:30.04 | krym | streuner, clever isn't the appropriated word I'm just more interrested in the problem because it's my problem :) |
| 23:30.07 | streuner | hammerabi: its a way to treat people who saying that somebody else in another channel can't help... |
| 23:30.23 | bucky | krym, is that driver you need for a nic or for a wireless card? |
| 23:30.31 | doub | hammerabi: it's more useful to learn one to fish than to lend him some fishes |
| 23:30.32 | hammerabi | streuner: no, it's not |
| 23:30.33 | streuner | krym: yeah, you have a problem, and others people trying to help YOU |
| 23:30.36 | KerPlunk | If I am in testing...what is the best way to install firefox 1.5? |
| 23:30.39 | hammerabi | doub: sure, but it's a hard problem |
| 23:30.42 | KerPlunk | Is 1.5 not added to debian testing yet? |
| 23:30.44 | hammerabi | doub: do *you* know how to do it? |
| 23:30.48 | krym | bucky, it's for a nic |
| 23:30.49 | abrotman | KerPlunk: 1.5 what ? |
| 23:30.53 | hammerabi | KerPlunk: packages.debian.org/firefox |
| 23:30.56 | doub | hammerabi: i just got in |
| 23:30.59 | tarzeau | use sid! |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're the new support guy for unstable! |
| 23:31.11 | tarzeau | things are not added to testing |
| 23:31.17 | hammerabi | KerPlunk: simplest is getting the tarball from www.mozilla.org |
| 23:31.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure, always been |
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| 23:31.24 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: you're elected |
| 23:31.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: i love to say !sid faq |
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| 23:31.33 | krym | bucky, tg3 isn't sufficient, I do many test and bcm5700 is ok , but I have to compile it from m-a or from the source |
| 23:31.34 | ruied | how can I change my keymap? |
| 23:31.39 | tarzeau | ruied: x or console? |
| 23:31.43 | streuner | krym: you have another problem, you don't respect other people |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | hammerabi: why do you keep telling people to fuck up thier machines with random tarballs of source ? |
| 23:31.44 | ruied | console |
| 23:31.48 | bucky | KerPlunk, go to http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ dl it and untar it as user in your home dir.. run firefox/firefox from your run box or from a term |
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| 23:31.52 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: perfect. i'm going to sleep now |
| 23:32.02 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: g'night |
| 23:32.07 | hammerabi | abrotman: eh? binary tarball in ~/firefox/ is way less disruptive than pulling in sid's libc et al |
| 23:32.14 | doub | streuner: welcome to the French Way of Life(tm). |
| 23:32.16 | abrotman | hammerabi: that's not what you told them to do .. |
| 23:32.22 | abrotman | for any of the horrible advice you're giving out |
| 23:32.22 | tarzeau | firefox still keeps crashing |
| 23:32.24 | endri | can sb tell me what to do to change the colors of ls |
| 23:32.27 | hammerabi | hah |
| 23:32.30 | streuner | doub: that has nothing to do with 'french' |
| 23:32.31 | ruied | tarzeau: console |
| 23:32.32 | tarzeau | and 1.5 is strange, and very slow. |
| 23:32.32 | abrotman | !tell hammerabi about simple sid backport |
| 23:32.33 | endri | i read .bashrc |
| 23:32.37 | krym | streuner ? |
| 23:32.37 | tarzeau | ruied: loadkeys |
| 23:32.38 | hammerabi | it's funny how much of a difference your nick makes when handing out advice |
| 23:32.40 | bucky | krym, i think that driver is in the 2.6.14 kernel.. here's a link to an install cd with 2.6.14 |
| 23:32.40 | bucky | http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ |
| 23:32.50 | ruied | thanks |
| 23:32.50 | NyteRukh | hrmm |
| 23:33.00 | bucky | krym, http://debcentral.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=6&post_id=526#forumpost526 |
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| 23:33.07 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 23:33.08 | dpkg | well, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 23:33.10 | doub | streuner: that's just a common habit of french people : no respect for others |
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| 23:33.18 | streuner | krym: 'whining' here about 'nobody can't help me in another channel' is a bad way here |
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| 23:33.34 | hammerabi | streuner: stop it, krym is not whinging |
| 23:33.42 | krym | bucky, I'm going on that link, thank |
| 23:33.54 | bucky | krym, keep coming back |
| 23:33.58 | doub | streuner: i'm french, and i face this attitude everyday, that's boring enough. well, it depends on which side you are of course... ;) |
| 23:33.59 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 23:34.00 | abrotman | did krym try the tg3 or b44 ? |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | more .. bring more! |
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| 23:34.19 | paulswm | @beer abrotman |
| 23:34.37 | streuner | doub: don't give too much on that ;-) |
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| 23:34.45 | doub | streuner: i promiss ;) |
| 23:35.05 | krym | streuner, I just answer hammerabi about the question " do you allready ask your problem in a french channel ". nothing else |
| 23:35.17 | ruied | tarzeau: where shall I configure it, so when I start my computer it starts with my keymap? |
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| 23:35.23 | krym | abrotman, I have try tg3 without success |
| 23:35.33 | tarzeau | ruied: dpkg-reconfigure console-data or so |
| 23:35.50 | ruied | tarzeau: thanks |
| 23:36.06 | bbrazil | Gandalfar: another solution - run tomcat in a chroot and alter the /etc/hosts |
| 23:36.29 | doub | ruied: debian reference is good for the sort of problem you have http://qref.sf.net |
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| 23:37.20 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 23:37.20 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard". (i e type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 23:37.33 | KerPlunk | I'm using a laptop with etch...and I don't have a printer, or need sshd, and other services running...but most of them I am not sure if I need them running....Anyone have a good guide on editing /etc/rc* to make my boot time faster and my system faster? |
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| 23:37.49 | hammerabi | KerPlunk: it won't make your system faster |
| 23:38.00 | KerPlunk | hammerabi: Then my boot time faster? |
| 23:38.04 | Gandalfar | bbrazil: that is the easiest one :) |
| 23:38.05 | KerPlunk | My boottime is 90 seconds. |
| 23:38.18 | KerPlunk | I have 3ghz processor with 512 ram |
| 23:38.20 | SimonRaven | oooh, that's so slow |
| 23:38.22 | abrotman | !parallel boot |
| 23:38.23 | dpkg | parallel boot is, like, http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-boot.html?ca=dnt-437 |
| 23:38.23 | KerPlunk | My laptop isn't that old. |
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| 23:38.28 | bucky | KerPlunk, update-rc.d -f <service> remove |
| 23:38.30 | KerPlunk | thanks |
| 23:38.30 | SimonRaven | </facetious> |
| 23:38.30 | hammerabi | KerPlunk: boot time is mostly a disk issue, not a cpu or ram one |
| 23:38.44 | bucky | KerPlunk, ls /etc/init.d to see what those services are called |
| 23:38.48 | hammerabi | KerPlunk: regardless, look at what package each init script is in, that should give you a hint about whether you need it or not |
| 23:38.53 | hammerabi | KerPlunk: another option is suspend-to-disk |
| 23:39.00 | textshell | KerPlunk: try rcconf ist a nice frontend. |
| 23:39.01 | doub | KerPlunk: you can try and rewrite every startup script in C ? ;) |
| 23:39.04 | SimonRaven | bubye samba. i never used you, and it wasn't fun experimenting |
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| 23:39.23 | SimonRaven | eh |
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| 23:39.50 | SimonRaven | python :P |
| 23:40.25 | doub | SimonRaven: well, assembly is the definitive tool |
| 23:40.28 | KerPlunk | What is a service that involves printing that I can turn off....I don't have a printer. |
| 23:40.37 | Gandalfar | KerPlunk: cups |
| 23:40.41 | SimonRaven | cupsys, lpd |
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| 23:40.50 | KerPlunk | exim4 do I need that? |
| 23:40.58 | SimonRaven | cron will |
| 23:41.01 | doub | KerPlunk: you'd better check things the other way around, like "what services are useful" |
| 23:41.01 | bucky | KerPlunk, lpd is one |
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| 23:41.19 | asmCode | when i have eth1 and eth0, and eth0 goes to local switch, and eth1 go to internet, then eth1 os gateway for eth0? |
| 23:41.20 | kspath | maybe replace with postfix /instigate a religous war regarding MTAs |
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| 23:41.34 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. just set exim4 for local delivery only |
| 23:41.37 | doub | KerPlunk: but that requires taking a huge amount of time understanding what each one is all about, to win 10 seconds on each boot |
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| 23:41.45 | kangaroo72 | hi |
| 23:41.54 | abrotman | a german kangaroo ? |
| 23:42.00 | kangaroo72 | yes :) |
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| 23:42.12 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:42.19 | abrotman | this is gonna be like the boxing mouse and sylvester |
| 23:42.20 | KerPlunk | doub: Well I put my login manager( slim.berlios.de ) as S01slim in /etc/rc2.d and that shaved like 30 seconds off my boot time. |
| 23:42.25 | kangaroo72 | someone knows the prob between debian and vt6102 ? |
| 23:42.39 | KerPlunk | And I did apt-get install runit...I think that made it faster. |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | KerPlunk: no you didn't |
| 23:42.43 | bucky | KerPlunk, cupsys is the other |
| 23:42.52 | abrotman | KerPlunk: you shaved an *apparent* 30 seconds off |
| 23:43.10 | doub | KerPlunk: well, it didn't change much on what's loaded or not: your machine is still busy loading things in the background |
| 23:43.10 | abrotman | you started your DM before the rest of the system was finished initializing |
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| 23:43.19 | SimonRaven | yeh, like duh |
| 23:43.35 | KerPlunk | Now in /etc/init.d/rc I'm going to add a & somewhere...so everything starts at once. |
| 23:43.38 | KerPlunk | heh |
| 23:43.42 | kangaroo72 | how can I see the kernel version? |
| 23:43.44 | SimonRaven | O_O |
| 23:43.49 | SimonRaven | kangaroo72: uname -r |
| 23:43.52 | kangaroo72 | thx |
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| 23:43.56 | bbrazil | KerPlunk: do you know what 'trashing' is? |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | KerPlunk: do you enjoy screwing up your computer ? |
| 23:44.02 | asmCode | could anybody answer to me? plz |
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| 23:44.15 | bucky | KerPlunk make a backup file first |
| 23:44.33 | bbrazil | asmCode: turn ipforwarding on, see /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 23:44.47 | asmCode | bbrazil: thnx! |
| 23:44.49 | KerPlunk | I change "startup $i |
| 23:44.54 | KerPlunk | to startup $i & |
| 23:45.04 | KerPlunk | abrotman: yes actually |
| 23:45.05 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 23:45.18 | Smeta | my internet freezes sometimes, I wonder if I have right settings on my router, I have Adsl and it gives me my ip thru dhcp server and I dont have user/pass, I can choose between 1.Dynamic IP Address 2.Static IP Address 3.PPPoE 4. Others.. what should i choose? |
| 23:45.38 | TTT_Travis | is there a way to login to ssh by specifing the password on the ssh line, so it doesn't ask me for my password everytime? |
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| 23:45.50 | jjazz | TTT_Travis, you want passwordless login |
| 23:45.51 | Gandalfar | Smeta: how is your dns configured? |
| 23:46.00 | bbrazil | TTT_Travis: bad idea, look up public-key authentication |
| 23:46.03 | doub | KerPlunk: if you want a fast and lightweight machine (nothing in ram), just install sysv-rc-conf, disable everything on runlevel 2->5, except your DM, it'll be fast and lightweight |
| 23:46.04 | TTT_Travis | jjazz I still want it password protected |
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| 23:46.14 | jjazz | TTT_Travis, no, you want it protected with ssh keys |
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| 23:46.28 | Smeta | Gandalfar:there is nothing on my dns fields on my router |
| 23:46.43 | textshell | TTT_Travis: you might want to look at public key authorization and ssh-agent. |
| 23:46.45 | teufel_ | Is there a debian package for MONO or do you just have to download it and configure it? |
| 23:46.46 | TTT_Travis | instead of typing: username@ip and then it asking for my password, I just want to specify it right away instead of it asking |
| 23:46.48 | KerPlunk | How can I have everything in /etc/rc2.d start at the same time...but everything in /etc/rcS.d start sequentially |
| 23:46.49 | Gandalfar | Smeta: so you have them setup on your local computer? in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:46.53 | Smeta | I dont know what to type there, and my isp doesnt give the info on their homepage :( |
| 23:46.54 | h3xis | TTT_Travis, hi. long time, no see :) |
| 23:47.07 | SimonRaven | TTT_Travis: no you don't. ssh keys |
| 23:47.22 | TTT_Travis | ok? |
| 23:47.56 | Gandalfar | Smeta: maybe the right question is, what do you mean by freezes? |
| 23:48.00 | TTT_Travis | ssh username:password@ip doesn't woork |
| 23:48.12 | Gandalfar | TTT_Travis: you don't want that |
| 23:48.12 | TTT_Travis | because it thinks username:password is the login |
| 23:48.14 | citral | ssh -l user ip |
| 23:48.17 | TTT_Travis | Gandalfar but I do |
| 23:48.26 | textshell | TTT_Travis: command line parameters are shown to other users, so in the general case passwords can't be parameters... |
| 23:48.27 | Smeta | no I run win now and my server runs debian, but internet hangs sometimes, and all fields in the router gets blank, ip adress,hostname... |
| 23:48.31 | chance2105 | If you are compiling a source package that's outside of debian .. where should I look for documentation to show how to make a debian package out of the results? |
| 23:48.36 | bbrazil | TTT_Travis: you've been given the right way to do it 3 times, look up ssh keys and public/private key auth |
| 23:48.43 | Gandalfar | TTT_Travis: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/passwordlessssh |
| 23:48.43 | TTT_Travis | oh |
| 23:48.44 | abrotman | !tell chance2105 about mg |
| 23:48.46 | Soon | someone can help me about a webcam please ? |
| 23:48.46 | doub | KerPlunk: what you want is a BSD-like startup system. install freebsd then ;) |
| 23:48.48 | ruied | when I want to change the packages to sarge, is there any other way so I can do it, without manually change the /etc/apt/sources.list file ? |
| 23:48.49 | Smeta | Gandalfar:i mean i get dissconnected |
| 23:48.55 | SimonRaven | TTT_Travis: and you don't want people to be able to sniff your password by just running ps... |
| 23:48.58 | genti | i have installed debian 3.1 kernel 2.6.8 and i doest shut down properly it says acpi_power_off called |
| 23:49.03 | Gandalfar | Smeta: from where, your router or net? |
| 23:49.05 | TTT_Travis | oh I see what you mean |
| 23:49.06 | bbrazil | ruied: apt-setup maybe? |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | genti: do you have acpid installed ? |
| 23:49.19 | genti | yes |
| 23:49.21 | Smeta | my router |
| 23:49.29 | jjazz | TTT_Travis, take a loog at http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/66 |
| 23:49.35 | jjazz | s/loog/look/ |
| 23:49.37 | Smeta | my router is connected to my adsl modem |
| 23:49.48 | TTT_Travis | hmmm ssh keys won't work for what I am doing |
| 23:49.49 | ruied | apt -setup just chooses the mirror where I will get my files (default= stable) |
| 23:49.55 | genti | i have tried noacpi in boot |
| 23:49.55 | textshell | chance2105: alien (to change say rpms to debs) ; checkinstall (to use make install) or a guide to do debian packaging (more work) |
| 23:50.01 | genti | but it doest work |
| 23:50.11 | TTT_Travis | part of my shell script is it asks for a username and a password and then logs you into the ssh server |
| 23:50.16 | Gandalfar | Smeta: so pinging router at time tells you what? |
| 23:50.17 | TTT_Travis | but I don't know how to make the password work |
| 23:50.19 | bbrazil | ruied: what not alter sources.list manually? |
| 23:50.23 | bbrazil | ruied: *why |
| 23:50.27 | TTT_Travis | and I'm not worried about anyone doing ps |
| 23:50.35 | TTT_Travis | because I'm the only one with access to the server |
| 23:50.47 | bbrazil | TTT_Travis: expect |
| 23:50.54 | KerPlunk | How can I see what modules are loading with my system...besides /etc/modules |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 23:51.22 | Smeta | Gandalfar: when internet disconnects I can still get into my router, but it has lost the ip and hostname |
| 23:51.26 | kangaroo72 | someone knows somethin' 'bout the prob between via-lan-onboard and debian? |
| 23:51.27 | ruied | bbrazil: I was just courious, it could be an easy way ( I know how to do it) but I think this could be tricky for people that doesn't know... |
| 23:51.34 | TTT_Travis | bbrazil huh? |
| 23:51.36 | doub | KerPlunk: debian reference http://qref.sf.net is your friend |
| 23:51.41 | Gandalfar | Smeta: ah ok, so your router has problems? |
| 23:51.44 | Smeta | Gandalfar: it says 0.0.0.0 on every field |
| 23:51.53 | Gandalfar | Smeta: what do you use for router? |
| 23:52.07 | Smeta | then after ca5min it gets a new iå |
| 23:52.10 | bbrazil | ruied: generally any big upgrade like that you should be reading the install guide anyway - sources.list is the least of your worries |
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| 23:52.14 | Smeta | *ip |
| 23:52.27 | Smeta | D-link DI-524 |
| 23:52.36 | bbrazil | Smeta: as a guess your ISP doesn't like you having the same IP for too long |
| 23:52.41 | genti | i have installed debian 3.1 kernel 2.6.8 and i doest shut down properly it says acpi_power_off called even with noacpi; acpi=off |
| 23:52.59 | Gandalfar | Smeta: it sounds like your computer is fine and that your router/isp is having a problem |
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| 23:53.19 | Gandalfar | Smeta: try calling their helpdesk and complain about your dsl modem lossing conectivity |
| 23:53.58 | Smeta | okay..I´ll try with that. thanks |
| 23:54.14 | KerPlunk | What do I have to edit in /etc/init.d/rc to have /etc/rc2.d scripts all start at the same time? |
| 23:54.36 | ruied | bbrazil: normally I change the sources.list to 'stable' and then upgrade my system, that's what I normally do. do I reaaly need an install guide? what for? |
| 23:55.25 | bbrazil | ruied: some things need tweaking for a proper upgrade, I know I spent several hours fixing one system because I didn't follow it |
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| 23:57.25 | ruied | bbrazil: do you have the address of it? I would like to check it, to see what I need to change... thanks... |
| 23:57.43 | KerPlunk | Do I need ppp script to start when my system starts? |
| 23:58.14 | citral | KerPlunk: after your eth card is up should suffice |
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| 23:58.45 | KerPlunk | citral: so I don't need it? |
| 23:59.07 | citral | KerPlunk: for example in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 23:59.32 | citral | KerPlunk: don't pu that thing in rc.something |
| 23:59.38 | citral | s/pu/put |
| 23:59.56 | Kovecses | ok very noob question here.... what is the command to rename? |
