| 00:00.03 | citral | man mv |
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| 00:00.07 | azeem | mv |
| 00:00.12 | KerPlunk | Kovecses: mv filename newfilename |
| 00:00.18 | Kovecses | sweet |
| 00:00.23 | KerPlunk | Kovecses: same with directories. |
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| 00:00.43 | metaperl_ | is there a hiearchical package browser for debian? that's the one thing I like about freebsd is the /usr/ports |
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| 00:01.21 | jr | The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? -- i am using totem and have the libdvdcss libraries installed.. anybody have any suggetsions on getting this dvd to play? |
| 00:01.47 | abrotman | libdvdread or libdvdcss |
| 00:02.03 | textshell | metaperl_: aptitude has got a browser, but it's not very nice. |
| 00:02.08 | jr | abrotman: you think im missing libdvdread? |
| 00:02.26 | abrotman | jr: i'm saying you should check |
| 00:02.29 | metaperl_ | textshell: i see |
| 00:03.03 | jr | abrotman: is there an easy way to check |
| 00:03.13 | abrotman | dpkg -l | grep dvd |
| 00:03.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep dvd |
| 00:03.36 | textshell | metaperl_: debtags might be interessting to (in recent aptitude versions; maybe only in sid; unsure) |
| 00:03.47 | jr | abrotman ive got dvdread |
| 00:03.58 | abrotman | then maybe you need libdvdcss |
| 00:04.02 | bucky | can you get away with not running inetd on a laptop? |
| 00:04.04 | jr | abrotman: got that too |
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| 00:04.16 | abrotman | prolly |
| 00:04.19 | abrotman | jr: you do? |
| 00:04.28 | jr | ya. ive got nav, read and css |
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| 00:06.03 | waubna | new installation, monitor all blurry |
| 00:06.07 | waubna | help |
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| 00:06.33 | jaemillz | can someone help me w/ getting my sound card working on sarge? |
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| 00:07.06 | jaemillz | im getting this error on startup: Error while initializing the sound driver |
| 00:07.07 | jr | arrg.. now the device is bussy and i cant umount the cdrom |
| 00:07.08 | Guerin | !alsa for morons |
| 00:07.08 | dpkg | hmm... alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 00:07.15 | bucky | waubna, you're probably over driving your monitor.. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set the default resolution lower |
| 00:07.23 | azeem | man, talk about condescending factoids |
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| 00:07.32 | azeem | dpkg: forget alsa for morons |
| 00:07.32 | dpkg | i forgot alsa for morons, azeem |
| 00:07.36 | Guerin | azeem: oy |
| 00:07.51 | Guerin | azeem: *I* wrote that factoid after *I* couldn't get alsa working |
| 00:08.01 | azeem | Guerin: well, please rename it :) |
| 00:08.35 | Guerin | !alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 00:08.35 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 00:08.47 | Guerin | !alsa for azeem is <reply> see alsa for morons |
| 00:08.48 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 00:08.57 | waubna | hold on I cant even read your instructions....I'g going to switch to another machine. |
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| 00:09.17 | azeem | ... |
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| 00:09.32 | jaemillz | Guerin: was alsa for morons for me? |
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| 00:09.45 | Guerin | jaemillz: yeah ... it actually does work, and isn't just for morons. |
| 00:09.47 | jr | is there a way to run ps to see which process is using the cdrom |
| 00:10.13 | jaemillz | i tried also, but it kept saying it couldnt find version.h |
| 00:10.17 | jaemillz | alsa* |
| 00:10.18 | streuner | jr: just get out of that folder (/cdrom) |
| 00:10.18 | Guerin | the name is because they're both very crude ways of making alsa work, but they do work. |
| 00:10.27 | Guerin | jaemillz: do you have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:10.56 | textshell | jr fuser -vm /cdrom |
| 00:10.58 | Guerin | jr: lsof, fuser |
| 00:11.48 | jaemillz | yeah, 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 00:12.05 | Guerin | jaemillz: ok, then you don't need to build alsa. what sound card? |
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| 00:12.44 | ribnitz | evening |
| 00:12.52 | Guerin | ribnitz: morning |
| 00:12.55 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 00:12.55 | jaemillz | according to hp, it's a Conexant CX20468-31 AC 977 audio |
| 00:13.08 | jaemillz | Guerin: it's in a laptop |
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| 00:13.19 | Guerin | dear me |
| 00:13.26 | ribnitz | Guerin: hello. not my fault that you are at the other side of the world :) |
| 00:13.27 | citral | is there a way for an user that belongs to a new group, to make it effective without totally login out? |
| 00:13.31 | jr | arg eject /dev/hda failed |
| 00:13.42 | bsims | Guerin: eh still faster than dvds |
| 00:13.52 | jr | dvd is now stuck in the drive |
| 00:14.29 | bsims | jr: something using it ie you have a shell open to that dir |
| 00:14.30 | Guerin | jaemillz: what does lspci |grep CX say? |
| 00:14.44 | kingsley | jr: Some drives have a small pin hole in their face plate which I'm told allows one to eject disks with a paper clip. |
| 00:14.56 | Guerin | kingsley: yeah, that should be standard |
| 00:14.58 | ribnitz | bsims: Those extermal hardisks all seem to be usb2. How much bandwidth is lost by using rsync instead of cp? |
| 00:15.16 | bsims | ribnitz: unsure but it also speaks firewire |
| 00:15.19 | Guerin | ribnitz: not enough that you'll notice on a usb2 connection |
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| 00:15.32 | textshell | citral: newgrp but only for the current shell session |
| 00:15.48 | citral | textshell: thx. |
| 00:15.51 | ribnitz | bsims: thats 480 vs. 400 mbit/s... |
| 00:15.56 | Kovecses | how can i see the log of .. my exact boot..... dmesg doesnt show it all |
| 00:15.57 | jr | kingsley: heh, so everytime i put a cd in the drive this is how i have to eject it? |
| 00:16.04 | bsims | Meh I got it with $150USD in rebates so I got it for less than an enclosure and the drive |
| 00:16.16 | Kovecses | jr: how did you eject it |
| 00:16.18 | jr | bsims: nothing is using it |
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| 00:16.23 | textshell | jr: try killing all programms using /cdrom: fuser -mvk /cdrom |
| 00:16.24 | streuner | Kovecses: /var/log/dmesg |
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| 00:16.32 | jr | textshell: i did |
| 00:16.33 | bsims | hrm than thats odd |
| 00:16.34 | Guerin | jr: no, the best way is to undo whatever is causing it to be ununmountable |
| 00:16.41 | jaemilzz | closed KSirc on mistake, ima genius |
| 00:16.42 | Kovecses | streuner: dmesg doesnt show it all |
| 00:16.58 | Guerin | jaemillz: what does lspci |grep CX say? |
| 00:17.02 | kingsley | jr: That doesn't look right. Mine ejects fine. Have you be struggling with it for a long time? |
| 00:17.04 | textshell | jr: something ist still using it... |
| 00:17.14 | streuner | Kovecses: which 'bit' do you miss? :-) |
| 00:17.25 | Kovecses | whoa dmesg shows that sid is..... debian 4.0 |
| 00:17.42 | Kovecses | streuner: the last part |
| 00:17.42 | jaemilzz | Guerin: I dled and installed alsa-base and alsa-config, didn't see any listing for alsa-config in synaptic. Is that cool? |
| 00:17.47 | jr | ok that fuser -mvk showed more processes and i was able to get it out.thanks |
| 00:17.56 | jr | now the question is why cant i play it |
| 00:17.58 | Kovecses | jaemilzz: alsa-utils |
| 00:18.04 | SimonRaven | there is no debian 4.0 |
| 00:18.07 | textshell | jr: good. |
| 00:18.11 | Kovecses | SimonRaven: yes i know |
| 00:18.12 | Guerin | jaemilzz: yeah, just tell me the output of the command I asked you for |
| 00:18.13 | jaemilzz | ahhh, ok ill get that too. thanks |
| 00:18.19 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 00:18.28 | Kovecses | SimonRaven: im just saying that that is what dmesg says |
| 00:18.34 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 00:18.36 | KerPlunk | deadcat: You have those slim.deb links? |
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| 00:18.49 | glasse | I see that the Firefox in unstable is called Deer Park, is this because of trade mark issues, because it's in beta, or what? |
| 00:18.57 | jaemilzz | which command. i got disconnected so i probably didnt see it |
| 00:18.58 | bsims | trademark issues |
| 00:19.03 | Guerin | jaemillz: what does lspci |grep CX say? |
| 00:19.11 | bsims | Moz was being all pissy |
| 00:19.12 | caphuso | glasse: because you haven't got the latest version in which the branding has been changed |
| 00:19.30 | SimonRaven | glasse: see current update ... |
| 00:19.34 | jaemilzz | Guerin: no output |
| 00:19.38 | bsims | caphuso: hrm thats what mine says but I havn't updated in about a week |
| 00:19.41 | glasse | Oh, thanks. |
| 00:19.47 | jr | hmm ok its that dvd |
| 00:19.51 | jr | another dvd works |
| 00:19.51 | caphuso | bsims: because you haven't got the latest version in which the branding has been changed |
| 00:20.10 | Guerin | jaemilzz: ok. run lspci; and paste the line (one line) which refers to your sound card |
| 00:20.11 | bsims | ah anything else in there worth updating for? |
| 00:20.38 | caphuso | no |
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| 00:21.08 | jaemilzz | debian:/home/brandon# lspci | grep audio |
| 00:21.08 | jaemilzz | 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 (rev 02) |
| 00:21.21 | Guerin | jaemilzz: ok, sounds evil |
| 00:21.36 | jaemilzz | Guerin: doesn't look good huh? |
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| 00:21.59 | caphuso | jaemilzz: update-pciids |
| 00:22.08 | Guerin | jaemilzz: google tells me the conexant CX20468 is a modem |
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| 00:22.23 | Kovecses | jaemilzz: are you using sarge? |
| 00:22.48 | jaemilzz | caphuso: i ran the command, you want me to post the output? |
| 00:23.00 | Guerin | jaemilzz: no, run lspci again |
| 00:23.03 | caphuso | jaemilzz: uh, no |
| 00:23.35 | jaemilzz | umm...ok |
| 00:23.44 | zwei | good evening, i installed apache2 (works) and then php4. was php supposed to be "plugged" automatically into apache? because it seems that the server just uploads the file as-is instead of interpreting the php code... |
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| 00:23.57 | jaemilzz | Guerin: paste the entire lspci, or only the sound part again |
| 00:24.07 | Guerin | jaemilzz: just the sound |
| 00:24.09 | zwei | in other words, the php extension is not recognisez nor interpreted |
| 00:24.10 | hammerabi | zwei: did you install the apache2 php4 module? |
| 00:24.15 | Guerin | jaemilzz: your module might be snd-ali5451 |
| 00:24.40 | zwei | hammerabi: i'll double check in case |
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| 00:24.49 | jaemilzz | Guerin: lspci | grep audio: 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 00:25.08 | jaemilzz | Guerin: what make you think snd-ali5451 is the module? |
| 00:25.31 | Guerin | jaemilzz: no, I |
| 00:25.34 | Guerin | 'm wrong |
| 00:25.42 | Laibsch | Hi, I just tried to submit a bug report on opera with bugreport (which should work). Something seems to be wrong with my SMTP server. I get "Connecting to mail.arcor.de via SMTP..." followed by "SMTP send failure: (-2, 'Name or service not known')". mail.arcor.de is of course a perfectly fine SMTP server. What is wrong? |
| 00:25.42 | jaemilzz | Guerin: ok |
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| 00:25.45 | Guerin | jaemilzz: modprobe snd-atiixp snd-pcm-oss |
| 00:25.45 | Kovecses | oh if its the AC'97 .... it is built into newer kernels |
| 00:25.53 | zwei | hammerabi: what would be it's exact name ? |
| 00:26.09 | Guerin | jaemilzz: i just thought that because of a randome google hit |
| 00:26.09 | caphuso | jaemilzz: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-ATI#matrix |
| 00:26.36 | jaemilzz | Guerin: I ran the command. No output |
| 00:26.43 | Guerin | jaemilzz: no output is good |
| 00:26.49 | Guerin | jaemilzz: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 00:26.52 | Gnea | Laibsch: looks firewalled |
| 00:27.18 | jaemilzz | Guerin:-- no soundcards -- |
| 00:27.22 | Kovecses | AC'97 is in newer kernels.... and the newest alsa-driver |
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| 00:27.38 | hammerabi | zwei: libapache2-mod-php4 (apt-cache search apache2 php4) |
| 00:27.52 | Guerin | jaemilzz: ok. echo -e "snd-atiixp\nsnd-pcm-oss" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 00:27.59 | Laibsch | Gnea: What do you mean firewalled? |
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| 00:28.08 | Kovecses | are you guys even listening |
| 00:28.10 | ke6isf | Is there a killfile option in gnus? |
| 00:28.10 | jaemilzz | is this gonna reboot my pc? |
| 00:28.11 | Hooke | hi |
| 00:28.12 | Laibsch | Gnea: I can connect just fine with Thunderbird to that SMTP server |
| 00:28.15 | Gnea | Laibsch: duh: firewalled. |
| 00:28.28 | Gnea | Laibsch: what about telnet? |
| 00:28.34 | hammerabi | ke6isf: yes |
| 00:28.40 | Guerin | jaemilzz: no, 'reboot' would never reboot your pc, would it? |
| 00:28.41 | Laibsch | Gnea: I get the greeting finre. |
| 00:28.44 | Laibsch | Gnea: I get the greeting fine. |
| 00:28.58 | Gnea | Laibsch: dunno then |
| 00:29.09 | ke6isf | hammerabi: Where do I look in the help file for instructions? I don't see an option on the menus, and the obvious stuff isn't hiding the articles I wish to eliminate. |
| 00:29.15 | Laibsch | ke6isf: Yes, there is. |
| 00:29.21 | jaemilzz | Guerin: well, woulda guessed you woulda given me a warning at least so i can save my work |
| 00:29.21 | Gnea | Laibsch: you sure you're not using port 110? |
| 00:29.52 | Kovecses | jaemilzz: your sound card is supported by newer kernels and the newest alsa-driver |
| 00:29.53 | hammerabi | ke6isf: doesn't gnus come with info docs? |
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| 00:30.00 | bsims | Whoo 9GB copied in 25minutes |
| 00:30.12 | zwei | thx hammerabi |
| 00:30.12 | hammerabi | ke6isf: I don't know how to do it, I just know that it does have killfile suport |
| 00:30.13 | Smeta | I am trying to compile a 2.6.8.1 kernel and I´m only going to have it as a server, but i dont know what i need to install and dont install..does someone have a kernel config i can start with? |
| 00:30.25 | hammerabi | Smeta: it's not worth compiling it then |
| 00:30.27 | Guerin | Kovecses: it's supported by his kernel as well, he just needs to purge oss support |
| 00:30.42 | Guerin | Kovecses: which can be done without a reboot, but it's just easier |
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| 00:30.57 | Smeta | hammerabi:ok, why? i want it to be fast |
| 00:31.09 | Hooke | hi. is there an easy way to create desktop icons or start icons for an application, lets say for alsamixer and xmms ..? |
| 00:31.18 | Laibsch | Gnea: I have not changed the port in either the global or the user config file. I'll try to specify it specifically and see if it works. |
| 00:31.25 | hammerabi | Smeta: what options do you think will make it usefully faster than the ones in Debian already? |
| 00:31.28 | Guerin | Hooke: depends on your desktop environment |
| 00:31.32 | hammerabi | Hooke: depends on the desktop |
| 00:31.38 | Gnea | Laibsch: are you familiar with popbeforesmtp? |
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| 00:31.58 | Laibsch | Gnea: I never use it. |
| 00:32.05 | Smeta | but i have 2.2 kernel now :( and when I run it with 2.6.8.1 i have no internet |
| 00:32.14 | Gnea | Laibsch: what about your isp? |
| 00:32.16 | hammerabi | Smeta: define "no internet", to begin with |
| 00:32.20 | Hooke | Guerin, hammerabi , ahhhhh, I've just realised that i can see the icons in kde!! I was using gnome and couldnt see them, why? |
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| 00:32.39 | Guerin | Hooke: gnome and kde probably use different desktop directories |
| 00:32.40 | hammerabi | Smeta: if you're unable to configure the system to work with the Debian-supplied 2.6.8.1 kernel, do you really think you'll have more luck starting from scratch? |
| 00:32.51 | Smeta | hammerabi:i just thought it would be faster if i dont have lots of things i dont need |
| 00:32.51 | benji | I have a simple question, I'm installing adobe reader 7.01 on knoppix and I have sued myself into root and install is going well however it's asking me what directory I would like to install adobe reader. I don't really understand the directories yet so I don't want to jump the gun and install it in the wrong directory. Which directory does one usualy install an application? |
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| 00:33.02 | hammerabi | Smeta: that's unlikely to be the case. |
| 00:33.05 | Laibsch | Gnea: I don't think they use it. I never connect via POP, only via IMAP. I never have problems with TB. I am connected right now. |
| 00:33.06 | Guerin | benji: /opt/ |
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| 00:33.20 | bucky | Smeta, are you using woody? |
| 00:33.23 | bsims | /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin |
| 00:33.26 | hammerabi | benji: #knoppix, but /usr/local/acroread-7.1/ or so or /opt/ |
| 00:33.31 | Guerin | not /usr/bin |
| 00:33.32 | Smeta | hammerabi:? I´m not thinking on starting from scratch |
| 00:33.36 | benji | ok |
| 00:33.38 | Guerin | bsims: duh. |
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| 00:33.44 | bsims | Doh |
| 00:33.47 | Gnea | Laibsch: okay, send an email to someone. |
| 00:33.54 | bsims | /usr/local/bin? <g> |
| 00:33.54 | jr | wow that fuser just blackscreened my entire system |
| 00:33.55 | Smeta | I have done a netinstall, but the cd was a little bit old :) |
| 00:34.00 | Hooke | Guerin, so can I create a dektop shortcut for an application if it doesnt create on on its own? |
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| 00:34.13 | Guerin | Hooke: sure, be my guest. |
| 00:34.16 | hammerabi | Smeta: so upgrade to current Debian stable and install the 2.6 kernel therein |
| 00:34.26 | jr | i wouldnt call that stable |
| 00:34.31 | kryl | bye all |
| 00:34.35 | hammerabi | Hooke: there's no right-click option? |
| 00:34.35 | kryl | and thank |
| 00:34.47 | bucky | kryl, where are you going? |
| 00:35.01 | Hooke | Guerin, haha, I mean.. is it easy to do so? |
| 00:35.04 | mrtwister | hello, i installed ipm4 (apt-get install imp4). how i can see it at web page? what more i need, MX record point to my server. what software is better to install? |
| 00:35.08 | kryl | bucky, I'm just going to my bed ! it's time for me ! |
| 00:35.11 | kryl | :) |
| 00:35.12 | Guerin | Hooke: depends on your desktop environment |
| 00:35.12 | Laibsch | Gnea: I just did 5 minutes ago. This is not a pop-before-SMTP problem. |
| 00:35.16 | bsims | heh no wonder its sluggish load is at 7 |
| 00:35.22 | Hooke | hammerabi, in kde there is, in gnome I think not |
| 00:35.27 | bucky | kryl, dont idle in the channel while your away |
| 00:35.33 | jr | do you have to reboot after installing a library? |
| 00:35.39 | Hooke | Guerin, lets say for gnome |
| 00:35.41 | Gnea | Laibsch: did you misspell your email address? |
| 00:35.43 | benji | Gierin, thanks man! installed like a champ. |
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| 00:35.56 | hammerabi | mrtwister: MX records have nothing to do with Debian, talk to whoever runs your domain';s |
| 00:35.59 | hammerabi | DNS |
| 00:36.02 | hammerabi | jr: no |
| 00:36.12 | Guerin | Hooke: i don't know about gnome. They tend to make customisation as hard as possible, but you might try right-click |
| 00:36.14 | kryl | bucky, k |
| 00:36.15 | Smeta | hammerabi:okay. but how can i find out what i should put in my sources.list ? |
| 00:36.18 | kryl | bye |
| 00:36.19 | jr | hammerabi: how do i load it |
| 00:36.22 | mrtwister | hammerabi: yep i mean which software i should install for mail server to get it working with imp4 |
| 00:36.35 | hammerabi | Smeta: you haven't told us what you installed or what you want to use |
| 00:36.45 | hammerabi | jr: what do you mean? from a C program? dlopen(). |
| 00:36.49 | kryl | bucky, don't quiet I left the place lol |
| 00:37.01 | kryl | bucky, s/quiet/worry |
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| 00:37.11 | wesleyiscool | ok |
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| 00:37.13 | wesleyiscool | im going idle |
| 00:37.21 | wesleyiscool | if I say anything its my sister being a idiot |
| 00:37.26 | hammerabi | mrtwister: I don't believe imp4 requires a local mailsystem, it can talk to your existing IMAP4 server. |
| 00:37.32 | bucky | !tell wesleyiscool about idle |
| 00:37.33 | hammerabi | wesleyiscool: lock your screen then |
| 00:37.37 | Guerin | wesleyiscool: learn how to lock your machine |
| 00:37.44 | bucky | !tell wesleyiscool about away |
| 00:38.12 | Hooke | Guerin, I was trying to get used to gnome since its kind of the official desktop, right? but kde looks better hmm |
| 00:38.26 | Guerin | Hooke: debian doesn't have an official desktop |
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| 00:38.33 | hammerabi | Hooke: Debian takes no stand on an "official" desktop |
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| 00:38.41 | Guerin | actually |
| 00:38.50 | jaemillz | I'm back, still got the error |
| 00:38.53 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.53 | hammerabi | I don't know how it decides what tasksel runs |
| 00:39.04 | hammerabi | jr: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:39.04 | Smeta | hammerabi:okay, i installed debian from a minimum netinstall cd and the cd is a couple of years old and it installed kernel 2.2.20 . I think i want sarge |
| 00:39.23 | sandy | hello. what is the best room to ask about shell scripting please? |
| 00:39.24 | Kovecses | Hooke: what do you mean official desktop? |
| 00:39.31 | bucky | !tell Smeta about d-i |
| 00:39.31 | Guerin | jaemillz: post output of cat /proc/asound/cards and lsmod |grep snd to paster |
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| 00:39.33 | Kovecses | #bash |
| 00:39.34 | Guerin | !paster jaemillz |
| 00:39.35 | dpkg | jaemillz: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 00:39.35 | kingsley | sandy: #bash |
| 00:39.36 | Gnea | !best |
| 00:39.37 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:39.41 | Guerin | jaemillz: and cat /etc/modules, too |
| 00:39.41 | wesleyiscool | Disregard that I suck Cocks! |
| 00:39.43 | hammerabi | Smeta: use 'apt-setup' to tell apt to use stable |
| 00:39.52 | hammerabi | caphuso: ^ |
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| 00:39.57 | jr | hammerabi: ,if i add a new .so file |
| 00:40.05 | wesleyiscool | Im Gay GAY FAGITY GAY! |
| 00:40.07 | wesleyiscool | HAHa |
| 00:40.09 | wesleyiscool | KICK ME BAN ME |
| 00:40.11 | wesleyiscool | HAHA |
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| 00:40.29 | KerPlunk | !ops |
| 00:40.29 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 00:40.39 | KerPlunk | !ops look at wesleyiscool |
| 00:40.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: look at wesleyiscool |
| 00:40.46 | Laibsch | Gnea: Just tried another mail server and it had the same problem. |
| 00:40.48 | sandy | kingskey: thanks |
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| 00:41.01 | ulf_k | hi, so stupid, i copied a file in /tmp the system was rebooting because of a powerfailure and now the file is gone |
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| 00:41.10 | sandy | join #bash |
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| 00:41.19 | hammerabi | jr: then what? |
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| 00:41.30 | NyteRukh | lol got his wish didnt he |
| 00:41.32 | Smeta | hammerabi:can i use a usb hd in stable? |
| 00:41.33 | ulf_k | is it really gone? |
| 00:41.38 | hammerabi | Smeta: yes... |
| 00:41.41 | nixie | ulf_k: correct. |
| 00:41.47 | jaemillz | Guerin: it's a lot of output, you want me to msg it to you? |
| 00:41.48 | ulf_k | shit |
| 00:41.48 | Smeta | ok |
| 00:41.57 | Guerin | !paster jaemillz |
| 00:41.58 | dpkg | jaemillz: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 00:42.06 | jr | like if i add libdvdcss i needed to reboot for totem to be able to play the dvd |
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| 00:42.15 | hammerabi | ulf_k: not that it's of any use now, but /var/tmp is a better place to dump stuff |
| 00:42.19 | hammerabi | jr: no, you don't |
| 00:42.19 | nixie | ulf_k: you might want to try google with your filestystem and undelete, e.g. ext3 undelete |
| 00:42.27 | ulf_k | no way, mc has a undelete function, but i can not find it |
| 00:42.37 | NyteRukh | trying to figure out something an kinda lost |
| 00:42.55 | Hooke | err, I had in mind gnome was the official desktop of something. actually, the official desktop of the GNU Project |
| 00:43.02 | Kovecses | NyteRukh: whats up |
| 00:43.13 | Gnea | Hooke: the official desktop of suckage? |
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| 00:43.18 | Guerin | Hooke: debian is not the gnu project |
| 00:43.22 | Kovecses | Gnea: lol |
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| 00:43.33 | jaemillz | Guerin: here's the output http://channels.debian.net/paste/1304 |
| 00:43.33 | hammerabi | Debian was part of the GNU project, more or less. |
| 00:43.37 | Kovecses | fluxbox |
| 00:43.39 | Hooke | yeah, I know, please dont flame me |
| 00:43.40 | Kovecses | or kde |
| 00:43.40 | Hooke | ;D |
| 00:43.43 | NyteRukh | had sound...with alsa i think..when i rebooted this morning..sound disappeared... |
| 00:43.46 | bucky | KDE is the official desktop of Linus and SCO |
| 00:43.54 | Gnea | Kovecses: it turns out it doesn't like nvidiafb either |
| 00:44.44 | Hooke | debian is a natural son of the gnu project, as they say themselves |
| 00:44.49 | Hooke | hehe |
| 00:45.00 | Kovecses | ooooooooo burn |
| 00:45.06 | SimonRaven | it used to be a gnu sub-project, but it isn't anymore |
| 00:45.13 | NyteRukh | tried oss didnt work...got it set to auto detect..but still no sound |
| 00:45.17 | Kovecses | Hooke: the default desktop is gnome |
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| 00:45.35 | nixie | real men use ion. :P |
| 00:45.45 | SimonRaven | Kovecses: not in debian |
| 00:46.08 | Hooke | hehe, I didnt mean to start a desktop war :D |
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| 00:46.23 | nixie | wheres the fight? |
| 00:46.32 | Kovecses | SimonRaven: are you kidding me |
| 00:46.42 | azeem | Kovecses: no, there is no default |
| 00:46.54 | Kovecses | well not in sarge |
| 00:47.11 | SimonRaven | ubuntu's default is gnome. kubuntu is kde (obviously), but the desktop task installs both |
| 00:47.13 | NyteRukh | ion never heard of it |
| 00:47.22 | nixie | shame on you, son |
| 00:47.29 | Kovecses | but in etch if you pick "desktop environment" as the install.... gnome installs |
| 00:47.38 | SimonRaven | kde too |
| 00:47.43 | Kovecses | nope |
| 00:47.46 | azeem | Kovecses: etch isn't released yet |
| 00:47.52 | Kovecses | yes i know |
| 00:47.54 | azeem | this is in transition right now |
| 00:47.55 | nixie | try apt-get install ion3 |
| 00:47.57 | Hooke | there was a time where kde used proprietary libraries, but they are not proprietary any more |
| 00:48.05 | bucky | Kovecses, yup.. all the kde libraries for maximum bloat |
| 00:48.32 | hammerabi | kde is uninstallable in etch, perhaps it's been temporarily removed |
| 00:48.40 | Kovecses | when etch is released it will not include kde as the default dm.... dont you guys ever read debian.org? |
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| 00:49.01 | azeem | Kovecses: eh, reference? |
| 00:49.01 | jaemillz | when's etch supposed to come out? |
| 00:49.06 | hammerabi | Kovecses: uh, where on debian.org would that be noted? |
| 00:49.08 | azeem | !etch |
| 00:49.08 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 00:49.15 | hammerabi | jaemillz: december 2006 is the plan |
| 00:49.16 | azeem | jaemillz: uhm, in a year |
| 00:49.21 | Kovecses | azeem: oh its on there im not gonna go find it for you |
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| 00:49.46 | Hooke | Kovecses, but if they prefer gnome, why is it that I can see more application icons and the like in kde? |
| 00:49.47 | azeem | Kovecses: do you mean the desktop threa on -devel? |
| 00:49.51 | hammerabi | Kovecses: it might be worth looking into who you're talking to before making such assertions |
| 00:50.04 | jaemillz | Guerin: anything make sense from the output? |
| 00:50.34 | Kovecses | i read it from the site ladies and gentlemen......... Ill admit im wrong if im wrong but THEY were the ones that said it |
| 00:50.45 | hammerabi | Kovecses: *where* on the site? |
| 00:50.47 | Kovecses | obviously you can choose to install kde |
| 00:51.05 | hammerabi | Kovecses: random posts on -devel do not count as etch release policies |
| 00:51.27 | Kovecses | WWW.DEBIAN.ORG ......... |
| 00:51.45 | Kovecses | pain in the asses let me find it |
| 00:52.07 | hammerabi | great, thanks for maintaining such a calm attitude while proving your extraordinary claims |
| 00:52.08 | nixie | im looking kovecses. but i cant find it |
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| 00:53.02 | jaemillz | anyone got some good sites for linux admins? |
| 00:53.11 | nixie | file:///usr/share/doc/ |
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| 00:55.50 | _metaperl | How do I install the ALSA sequencer. I'm getting this message when I run puredata: LSA lib seq_hw.c:455:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 00:56.08 | citral | _metaperl: modprobe snd-seq-oss |
| 00:56.26 | _metaperl | citral: what does oss have to do with ALSA? |
| 00:56.38 | dwalton59 | I am having probelm getting my network card working |
| 00:56.39 | SimonRaven | it's oss emulation... |
| 00:56.42 | Kovecses | I have my foot in my mouth now... i cant find it on debian.org ...... but it was in there news a while back im sure of it...... |
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| 00:56.56 | Kovecses | it does say that it is default on gnome.org |
| 00:56.56 | Smeta | hammerabi:i have done a apt-get upgrade now, should i install kernel-image-2.6-686 using apt? |
| 00:56.58 | _metaperl | SimonRaven: what is OSS emulation? |
| 00:57.00 | nixie | google on site:debian.org kde etch "default desktop" tells me nothing |
| 00:57.00 | Kovecses | for debian |
| 00:57.08 | SimonRaven | emulates OSS... |
| 00:57.20 | citral | _metaperl: oh yes there's snd-seq too. find /lib/modules/2.something -name '*seq*' |
| 00:57.25 | SimonRaven | e.g. /dev/dsp etc. |
| 00:57.51 | _metaperl | citral: thanks! |
| 00:57.55 | dwalton59 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.57 | Kovecses | even in sarge gnome is dubbed the default.... why do you think you have to change it to kde and kdm |
| 00:58.13 | Gnea | dwalton59: what network card? |
| 00:58.34 | Gnea | !tell dwalton59 about ask |
| 00:58.36 | dwalton59 | not sure it is on my mother board |
| 00:58.43 | Gnea | then use lspci |
| 00:59.39 | dwalton59 | Is this on the software pakage? |
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| 00:59.53 | Gnea | pardon? |
| 00:59.59 | Gnea | lspci |
| 01:00.02 | Gnea | type it, press enter |
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| 01:00.13 | Gnea | preferably as root |
| 01:00.29 | dwalton59 | thanks |
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| 01:02.25 | hammerabi | Smeta: if you have a 686 machine, yes |
| 01:02.30 | hammerabi | Smeta: and hotplug and udev |
| 01:02.43 | hammerabi | Smeta: actually, no udev |
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| 01:03.04 | Hooke | is there a way to change the desktop without logging off? |
| 01:03.21 | b14ck | Sure. |
| 01:03.34 | b14ck | ctrl+alt+backspage && echo "command" > ~/.xinitrc && startx |
| 01:03.50 | Gnea | LOL |
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| 01:04.37 | SimonRaven | backspage? :) |
| 01:04.52 | Gnea | backrage |
| 01:04.55 | SimonRaven | it's .xsession in debian anyway |
| 01:05.12 | Phated | You can use either. |
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| 01:05.28 | Gnea | .xinitrc will work only with startx, though |
| 01:05.40 | Gnea | not with a *dm |
| 01:05.43 | Hooke | b14ck, were you answering to me? |
| 01:05.48 | b14ck | Ye. |
| 01:05.57 | Smeta | when i do a apt-get upgrade i get errors saying /var/lib/dpkg/info/libncurses5.postinst: line 6: 718 Illegal instruction ldconfig |
| 01:05.58 | Smeta | dpkg: error processing libncurses5 (--configure): |
| 01:05.58 | Smeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.06 | b14ck | Didn't know about xsession, I'm a BSD guy. |
| 01:06.08 | Hooke | ok, thnks, ill try |
| 01:06.43 | EdLin | b14ck: .xsession is used by xdm in BSD also |
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| 01:07.05 | Gnea | smeta: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vendor_id |
| 01:07.05 | EdLin | b14ck: Debian makes it be used for startx as well |
| 01:07.12 | Gnea | smeta: what does that return? |
| 01:07.18 | brandon | when u install kernel sources on sarge, where do the sources actually get installed to? |
| 01:07.19 | b14ck | EdLin, that's good to know, thanks. |
| 01:07.25 | EdLin | !u |
| 01:07.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:07.40 | madradrone | brandon: do "dpkg -L <package name>" to see |
| 01:07.42 | SimonRaven | /usr/src |
| 01:07.44 | Gnea | brandon: /usr/src |
| 01:07.52 | SimonRaven | but yes, dpkg -L is your friend |
| 01:08.05 | brandon | ok thank |
| 01:08.06 | brandon | s |
| 01:08.19 | Smeta | gnea:genuine intel ? |
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| 01:08.38 | Gnea | Smeta: and what kernel do you have running? |
| 01:08.40 | Hooke | hmmm |
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| 01:09.07 | Smeta | gnea:2.2.20 :) Its a little bit old |
| 01:09.18 | SimonRaven | a bit? |
| 01:09.25 | Smeta | but im going to upgrade it |
| 01:09.25 | Gnea | Smeta: what version of debian is that? |
| 01:09.25 | Hooke | I'll take it as a no,theres no way |
| 01:09.26 | Esaj | what do people recommend for organising and tagging photos? |
| 01:09.29 | rontan1 | whois rontan1 |
| 01:09.33 | SimonRaven | *shudder* idepci |
| 01:09.41 | Gnea | Esaj: gallery or gallery2 |
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| 01:10.04 | Esaj | Gnea: I'd like an client app not a web-based one |
| 01:10.22 | Gnea | Esaj: feh |
| 01:10.37 | Esaj | Gnea: I have a *lot* of photos :) |
| 01:10.45 | SimonRaven | yes, that's a real app |
| 01:10.54 | SimonRaven | ;) |
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| 01:11.04 | lisi | hello |
| 01:11.16 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 01:11.16 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 01:11.23 | lisi | I need help with my x1180 Lexmark scanner |
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| 01:11.29 | SimonRaven | ^^^ |
| 01:11.29 | lisi | someone who hase the sameß |
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| 01:11.42 | Gnea | lexmark makes pure crap |
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| 01:12.21 | lisi | thnx |
| 01:12.21 | b14ck | What's the command to get the entire debian source tree? |
| 01:12.21 | Gnea | well, everyone makes pure crap, but that's beside the point |
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| 01:12.33 | azeem | b14ck: what do you mean with entire debian source tree? |
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| 01:12.39 | Gnea | apt-get install linux-source-<version> |
| 01:13.01 | b14ck | azeem, the kernel, and the debian source itself (not kernel), like mv, etc. |
| 01:13.10 | azeem | "etc"? |
| 01:13.12 | Gnea | lisi: try http://linuxprinting.org |
| 01:13.14 | azeem | the source is 2 DVDs |
| 01:13.17 | azeem | or so |
| 01:13.21 | b14ck | That's fine. |
| 01:13.24 | b14ck | I have plenty of space :) |
| 01:13.42 | lisi | Gnea, I need scanner help not printer :) |
| 01:13.49 | Smeta | gnea:should i install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 using apt ? |
| 01:13.51 | azeem | well then, download the DVD, run find . -name "*.deb" on it and do dpkg-source -x $i.deb on all |
| 01:13.54 | Gnea | lisi: oh oh - sorry |
| 01:14.03 | Gnea | !sane |
| 01:14.03 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
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| 01:14.07 | tsume | abrotman: hey |
| 01:14.10 | Smeta | or should i dl a kernel from some ftp ? |
| 01:14.16 | tsume | abrotman: http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/12/ruby_book_sales_surpass_python.html |
| 01:14.21 | tsume | abrotman: there ya go! :) |
| 01:14.56 | Gnea | smeta: that should be fine |
| 01:15.05 | EdLin | tsume: maybe some people think gems are a better holiday present than snakes |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | tsume: still ? |
| 01:15.24 | Gnea | EdLin: i can't imagine why |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | tsume: you realize i was just joking .. right ? |
| 01:15.39 | tsume | EdLin: yeah, exactly. I'd rather get the gf a gem, instead of a snake :) |
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| 01:15.59 | tsume | EdLin: unless she likes getting kinky :) |
| 01:16.08 | EdLin | Gnea: SDNWOTN |
| 01:17.14 | Gnea | EdLin: your mom sent you how many twinkies for christmas? |
| 01:17.35 | Smeta | gnea: i get errors from libncurses5 when i try to install a new kernel too? |
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| 01:17.56 | Gnea | smeta: what version of debian? |
| 01:18.04 | EdLin | Gnea: ewww, twinkies |
| 01:18.05 | bhundven | well. crap. I installed sarge with lvm2, upgraded to sid, and lvm2 says: "device-mapper: one of name or uuid must be supplied, cmd(12)". My root is: root=/dev/mapper/vg01-deb01 |
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| 01:18.11 | Laibsch | !kernel-source |
| 01:18.30 | Smeta | gnea:how do i chech that ? |
| 01:19.02 | Gnea | smeta: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:19.42 | Smeta | 3.1 |
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| 01:19.51 | Hooke | hi |
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| 01:20.26 | mrnull | I keep getting intermittant errors that my soundcard is busy, even though I don't have any audio programs open. Is there anyway to restart the service? |
| 01:20.35 | Gnea | smeta: that's sarge...where are you getting this 2.6.12 kernel package from? |
| 01:20.37 | bhundven | any help would be most appriciated! |
| 01:21.02 | hammerabi | mrnull: fuser -v /dev/dsp /dev/snd/pcm* |
| 01:21.05 | Smeta | when i search with apt |
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| 01:21.08 | hammerabi | mrnull: to see what's using it |
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| 01:21.27 | Gnea | bhundven: lvm2... someone else had a problem with it earlier... i think they were f**ked and had to reinstall |
| 01:21.36 | bhundven | bleh |
| 01:21.42 | Gnea | !lvm |
| 01:21.42 | dpkg | i guess lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 01:22.01 | Gnea | yeah i dunno about doing an upgrade to the subsystem while something like that's running |
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| 01:22.09 | bhundven | *(&#%#(* |
| 01:22.15 | Gnea | did you install a new kernel? |
| 01:22.34 | Smeta | where can i dl a newer debian netinstall iso ? |
| 01:22.36 | bhundven | well, when you upgrade to sid, yes. it installs a new kernel. |
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| 01:22.59 | theblue | Hi all. |
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| 01:23.06 | EdLin | !d-i Smeta |
| 01:23.06 | dpkg | Smeta, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 01:23.20 | dob2 | hi |
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| 01:23.29 | Gnea | not necessarily, but okay - i'd make sure any lvm modules are in initrd |
| 01:23.37 | Laibsch | Are there no more debian specific kernel sources for 2.6.x with x > 8? |
| 01:23.57 | Gnea | Laibsch: not in sarge. |
| 01:24.02 | Hooke | hi, could someone help me to configure a cd player,please? I can play mp3 already, but not audio cd. |
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| 01:24.19 | Kahr | when I try to start up using my custom kernel I get the following error: "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 01:24.21 | Smeta | gnea: do you think it´s easier to install all over again then to upgrade ? |
| 01:24.24 | dob2 | i have my debian system installed on an hd (/boot partition /home and / ) i need to change this hd with a new one (not the same size of the old one), how can i migrate the system to the new hd? |
| 01:24.28 | hammerabi | Hooke: plug your sound card into your cd drive |
| 01:24.31 | mrnull | hammerabi: thanks for the info. How do I turn these devices off? There's about 20 of them |
| 01:24.40 | hammerabi | mrnull: they're not devices, they're programs |
| 01:24.44 | hammerabi | mrnull: show us the outpu in #flood |
| 01:24.49 | Laibsch | Gnea: I run testing/unstable pinned to testing. |
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| 01:25.07 | bhundven | Laibsch: you could always roll your own. the debian patches are on alioth |
| 01:25.09 | mrnull | hammerabi: actually wait, nothing's using it. I bet alsa had an upgrade |
| 01:25.17 | systm | wow ther is a lot of people here to |
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| 01:25.52 | Tortel | I once considered upgrading to etch, but that wanted to uninstall alot of important things I use such as xfree and gnome... |
| 01:25.55 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:26.01 | Hooke | :/ |
| 01:26.18 | Laibsch | bhundven: I am planning to roll my own and am used to having the kernel-sources from debian. I guess I will just go to kernel.org. |
| 01:26.28 | bhundven | yup |
| 01:26.33 | Smeta | i have a p4 1.7 what should i choose for netinstall iso i386? |
| 01:26.44 | hammerabi | Smeta: you're reinstalling? why? |
| 01:27.03 | Kahr | when I try to start up using my custom kernel I get the following error: "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)". How do I fix this? |
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| 01:27.18 | abrotman | fix your kernel |
| 01:27.25 | hammerabi | Kahr: why are you trying to use a custom kernel? |
| 01:27.29 | bsims | woot 30gb/hr not bad for usb2 |
| 01:27.32 | Nemoi | Using XFree86 (latest stable), and I know for a fact that everything's configured the way it *should* be. The cirrus driver included with the system seems to omit my specific card (just about every model number except mine [a GF7543] is listed in the xfree86 logfile after the attempted start of the x server). startx just exits with "no devices detected". the same happens if I try using the framebuffer driver. Is there somewhere I can get the dri |
| 01:27.40 | hammerabi | Kahr: that means you didn't include support for your IDE/SCSI controller |
| 01:27.59 | Laibsch | L8er |
| 01:28.00 | hammerabi | Nemoi: does Xfree86 4.3 claim to support your card? |
| 01:28.01 | Nemoi | Also: I can't fall back and use "svga" as a driver for XFree86, how come? Isn't that standard issue? |
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| 01:28.16 | abrotman | Nemoi: did you try vesa ? |
| 01:28.19 | Kahr | hammerabi, would that be under device drivers? |
| 01:28.21 | hammerabi | Nemoi: "vesa" should work, but perhaps not at the res/refresh you selected |
| 01:28.31 | Smeta | hammerabi:i get some errors from libncurses5 when i do apt-get upgrade and when i try to install newer kernel..I dunno |
| 01:28.31 | hammerabi | Kahr: don't know |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | Nemoi: is this a 486 ? |
| 01:28.43 | Nemoi | abrotman: Yes, but it looks absolutely horrible and doesn't manage to use the proper screen resolution, also prone to just hang the system |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | bsims: and most HDDs they sell |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | Nemoi: it is a 486? |
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| 01:29.14 | Nemoi | hammerabi: It seems it does. I see version numbers above and below my cirrus logic card (ie. much lower ones and 7548, mine's a 7543) |
| 01:29.34 | Smeta | hammerabi:do you have any idea what could be the problem ? |
| 01:29.35 | Nemoi | abrotman: No, it's a pentium 90 |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | Nemoi: close enough in age .. what resolution/bit depth did you try ? |
| 01:29.59 | hammerabi | Smeta: not unless you show us the error |
| 01:30.30 | Nemoi | abrotman: 800x600 & 640x480, 16 bit. This worked in knoppix and slack |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | Nemoi: are you sure it was 16 .. and not 15 ? |
| 01:30.49 | mrnull | hammerabi: Still no sound. I've run alsaconf and checked my settings in kmix. Any ideas? |
| 01:30.50 | Nemoi | I tried 8 bit too, btw. But I'd rather not stick to that ;) |
| 01:30.54 | Nemoi | abrotman: Positive |
| 01:31.09 | hammerabi | mrnull: alsaconf is of no use at all |
| 01:31.12 | abrotman | Nemoi: and when you try 640 @ 16bit .. it barfs ? |
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| 01:31.53 | Smeta | hammerabi: I post it in #flood |
| 01:31.54 | mrnull | hammerabi: really? Where do I set my sound card settings then? |
| 01:32.02 | Nemoi | abrotman: I don't think I tried that one with vesa (which is the only one I recall would actually start x) |
| 01:32.09 | hammerabi | mrnull: what settings are there to set? |
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| 01:32.33 | mrnull | hammerabi: I think I may need to set the default card. I can't get any input or output toda. |
| 01:32.35 | abrotman | Nemoi: i have a CL card in my 486 .. and it's not really capable of much :) |
| 01:32.38 | Nemoi | abrotman: But my main problem being that x doesn't detect the card, is there some way I can add in support for it manually? |
| 01:32.50 | hammerabi | mrnull: why do you have other sound card drivers loaded to begin with? |
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| 01:32.57 | KerPlunk | What is the best way to get open office 2 on etch? |
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| 01:33.03 | abrotman | Nemoi: not that iknow of .. are you sure knoppix/slack used the CL driver ? |
| 01:33.07 | Nemoi | abrotman: heh, I know ;) But it's got 1024 videoram, so it should run at least 800x600@16 |
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| 01:33.33 | wau | Hi I've just installed debian and my monitor is all blurry? |
| 01:33.51 | Nemoi | abrotman: hm, the details are a bit fuzzy now (I've been pingponging between so many configurations my head hurts), so no, I'm not completely sure. |
| 01:33.54 | mrnull | hammerabi: sorry, i hate to say it, but 'no idea!' just installed debian a few weeks ago and haven't had any trouble with the sound until today. |
| 01:33.59 | bucky | Nemoi, did you specify 1024 videoram in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 01:34.03 | Smeta | hammerabi:any idea ? |
| 01:34.06 | hammerabi | hammerabi: what's changed since it last worked? |
| 01:34.08 | Nemoi | bucky: yes |
| 01:34.17 | Nemoi | bucky: tried autodetect and that as well |
| 01:34.18 | hammerabi | Smeta: paste the output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" to #flood |
| 01:34.42 | bucky | some hardware doesn't auto detect |
| 01:35.04 | hammerabi | mrnull: what's changed since it last worked? |
| 01:35.12 | Nemoi | ya. Specifying it explicitly didn't make a diff (just keeps saying "no devices found") |
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| 01:35.52 | Nemoi | But if I can fall back onto the standard svga-driver and have that working, I'll be happy. How come it's not included? |
| 01:36.00 | mrnull | hammerabi: well, it looks like kmix has been updated. there's a lot more settings there today. |
| 01:36.05 | abrotman | Nemoi: should be |
| 01:36.09 | hammerabi | Smeta: is line 6 of /var/lib/dpkg/info/libncurses5.postinst "ldconfig"? |
| 01:36.24 | hammerabi | mrnull: you don't know if the kernel was updated or anything? |
| 01:36.41 | Nemoi | abrotman: so if I tried using "svga" as a driver and it says "no such driver" it means something's kinda... wrong with my installation or somesuch? |
| 01:36.52 | mrnull | hammerabi: running etch.. made the mistake of apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and leaving it this morning. |
| 01:36.58 | abrotman | Nemoi: it listed it ? but fails to use it ? |
| 01:37.12 | mrnull | hammerabi: i'll check dpkg.log |
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| 01:37.33 | Smeta | hammerabi:ehh..how do you mean ? |
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| 01:37.59 | Nemoi | abrotman: I put that in with a manual edit of the xf86config-4 file. When I tried the system's configuration tool it wasn't listed |
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| 01:38.07 | KerPlunk | What has to happen for openoffice 2.0 from sid to go into etch? |
| 01:38.08 | Nemoi | so it seems it's just missing |
| 01:38.15 | abrotman | KerPlunk: for it to work |
| 01:38.27 | KerPlunk | abrotman: It works fine when I use sid. |
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| 01:39.04 | hammerabi | dpkg: why is openoffice.org2 not in testing? |
| 01:39.04 | dpkg | openoffice.org2 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org2 |
| 01:39.09 | hammerabi | KerPlunk: read that |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | Nemoi: is it just called vga instead of svga ? |
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| 01:39.46 | Nemoi | abrotman: No, just refused to start alltogether |
| 01:40.00 | abrotman | !find drivers/vga sarge |
| 01:40.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'drivers/vga' (2): (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/vga_drv.o) in x11/xserver-xfree86 ;; (/usr/src/ecos/packages/services/gfx/mw/v2_0/src/drivers/{vgainit.c|vgaplan4.c|vgaplan4.h}) in devel/ecos. |
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| 01:40.16 | abrotman | !find drivers/svga sarge |
| 01:40.24 | wau | Hi, I just installed debian on my machine and the monitor is all blurry. How can I reconfigure? |
| 01:40.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'drivers/svga' returned no results. |
| 01:40.30 | Nemoi | When I try the vga driver I don't get more than 640x480, even if I remove everything *but* 800x600 from the config. |
| 01:40.40 | abrotman | Nemoi: and it apparently doesn't exist |
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| 01:40.52 | Nemoi | abrotman: ouch.. |
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| 01:41.18 | abrotman | Nemoi: so you get vga or one of the cirrus drivers |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | or vesa |
| 01:41.31 | Nemoi | hm.. |
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| 01:42.04 | rdancer | Nemoi: iirc that's the only res vga does |
| 01:42.12 | Smeta | hammerabi:yes line 6 is idconfig |
| 01:42.21 | Nemoi | rdancer: ah.. that 'splains it :=) |
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| 01:42.32 | rdancer | Nemoi: viz manpage |
| 01:42.33 | JRWR | where do i get urandom? |
| 01:43.01 | abrotman | from the kernel |
| 01:43.08 | bsims | er I think it's autocreated |
| 01:43.15 | hammerabi | Smeta: that's bad |
| 01:43.23 | Nemoi | so since vesa looks horrible and doesn't work, hangs things, the vga driver won't go further than 640x480 and the cirrus driver won't detect my card.. I'm tempted to try xorg just for the sake of it (yes, I know it's in unstable). Is there anything I should be aware of if I try it? |
| 01:43.24 | hammerabi | Smeta: paste the output of "dmesg | tail" to #flood |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | Nemoi: di you kjnow if slack/knoppix were using xfree or xorg ? |
| 01:43.35 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 01:43.35 | dpkg | from memory, xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 01:43.42 | abrotman | Nemoi: however .. it could go very badly |
| 01:43.42 | Nemoi | abrotman: I'm quite sure slack used xorg |
| 01:43.48 | KerPlunk | What is a good terminal to use, like xterm..starts with rv something I think |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | Nemoi: check the xorg docs |
| 01:43.58 | abrotman | rxvt |
| 01:43.58 | bsims | rxvt |
| 01:44.00 | Nemoi | abrotman: well.. The x system doesn't work, so I don't care if I break it ;) |
| 01:44.05 | bsims | I like the tabable mrxvt |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | Nemoi: oh ok |
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| 01:44.14 | abrotman | bsims: but you're a dork! |
| 01:44.17 | diana | What is a good terminal to use, like xterm..starts with rv something I think |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | rxvt |
| 01:44.25 | Nemoi | as long as the console works I'll survive |
| 01:44.26 | wau | hmm. am I asking the wrong question? |
| 01:44.30 | bsims | abrotman: hey now it let me get rid of konsole |
| 01:44.33 | Guerin | diana: you suck |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | bsims: ewww |
| 01:44.51 | Guerin | bsims: man screen |
| 01:44.56 | bsims | exactly why I got rid of it... |
| 01:44.57 | hammerabi | wau: it's too vague to simply answer, and the prospect of asking you to clarify so we can help is annoying |
| 01:45.15 | bsims | Guerin: I do know and use screen everyday but well |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | htf is your monitor blurry ? |
| 01:45.32 | Guerin | bsims: then what do you need tabbed terminals for? |
| 01:45.46 | bsims | Guerin: for when I am too lazy for screen |
| 01:45.50 | wau | ok. I apologize for being vague |
| 01:45.57 | wau | I'm not sure how to ask |
| 01:46.08 | diana | What is a fast terminal that supports tabs? |
| 01:46.09 | wau | I am new to debian? |
| 01:46.21 | Nemoi | Well, thanks a lot for helping out anyway, abrotman and folkses. It's uplifting to finally come across a responsive and helpful help channel :) |
| 01:46.21 | JRWR | i need /dev/urandom |
| 01:46.24 | Guerin | diana: apt-cache search terminal emulator tabs |
| 01:46.27 | JRWR | and its not there |
| 01:46.37 | Smeta | hammerabi:what do you think? |
| 01:47.36 | wau | I think when I configure my monitor during setup I set the wrong resolution. |
| 01:47.48 | wau | does that help at all? |
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| 01:48.01 | Guerin | wau: is it a lcd? |
| 01:48.18 | wau | yes |
| 01:48.34 | Guerin | wau: what is its default resolution? |
| 01:49.04 | wau | the manufacture specs ays 1280x1024 |
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| 01:49.20 | abrotman | and what resolution did you pick ? |
| 01:49.23 | Guerin | wau: then yo8u need to run it at that resolution only |
| 01:49.29 | threat | What are some good debian related RSS feeds? |
| 01:49.40 | Guerin | wau: crts can run at many different resolutions, but lcds cannot |
| 01:49.44 | Guerin | threat: planet.debian.net |
| 01:49.46 | Smeta | hammerabi:is it easier to reinstall debian with a newer cd then to upgrade ? |
| 01:49.51 | abrotman | Guerin: well .. they can .. but they look like ass :) |
| 01:49.57 | Guerin | abrotman: right. |
| 01:50.13 | wau | yes but I was not asked about resolution during configuration |
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| 01:50.21 | Guerin | !drxx wau |
| 01:50.22 | dpkg | wau: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:50.34 | wau | just v, and h resfresh |
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| 01:51.21 | wau | ok, I have to swap off the monitor to the other machine though. |
| 01:51.26 | wau | sorry for being annoying |
| 01:51.46 | threat | Guerin, thanx |
| 01:51.59 | Guerin | threat: thatx okx |
| 01:52.10 | threat | Guerin, what debian topics are covered by planet debian? |
| 01:52.30 | Guerin | threat: thatever debian developers and so on feel like talking about |
| 01:52.37 | Guerin | s/th/wh/ |
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| 01:52.45 | threat | Guerin, Security related? |
| 01:52.50 | threat | or just general ? |
| 01:52.55 | threat | oh |
| 01:53.00 | Guerin | threat: whatever debian developers and so on feel like talking about |
| 01:53.32 | Boukensya | hey guys.. I just finished a debian install and I missed a selection from that screen where it asks what type of system you have (eg, web server, standard system, etc..) is there a way I can get back there? |
| 01:53.42 | threat | Guerin, :) yep thanx |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | Boukensya: tasksel |
| 01:53.50 | Guerin | Boukensya: tasksel |
| 01:54.22 | Boukensya | ok, cool. The option I missed though isn't there anymore ): (Standard System) |
| 01:54.35 | Guerin | Boukensya: that's what you get by default anyway |
| 01:54.41 | Boukensya | its all the standard packages like ssh etc.. which I don't know all of them |
| 01:54.41 | Guerin | Boukensya: it's what you already have, IOW |
| 01:54.55 | Guerin | Boukensya: just install what you need |
| 01:55.07 | Boukensya | yeah, so that doesn't involve any security risks? |
| 01:55.22 | Guerin | Boukensya: um... why would it? |
| 01:55.41 | teufel_ | what can you type to figure out what kind of processor, and how much ram you have again? |
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| 01:55.58 | Boukensya | just wondering, cuz it isn't going to be a server, and I thought it might need all the basic main packages to be secure |
| 01:56.04 | Boukensya | or at least a few of them |
| 01:56.14 | Smeta | can someone else help me? I get a error msg when i want to upgrade my system using apt-get upgrade saying error with libncurses5 what could be wrong? |
| 01:56.16 | Guerin | my basic post-install setup consists of screen ssh irssi-text mutt less x-window-system-core rxvt-unicode-ml mozilla-firefox |
| 01:56.31 | Guerin | Smeta: put the whole error on paster |
| 01:56.34 | Guerin | !paster Smeta |
| 01:56.37 | dwalton59 | I am having probelms with getting my network card to work |
| 01:56.43 | dpkg | Smeta: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 01:57.41 | Smeta | !paster |
| 01:57.41 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 01:57.48 | nyk2005 | What do I have to switch on in apache2 conf to make SSI (<!--#include virtual="menu.html" -->) work? |
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| 01:58.59 | Guerin | nyk2005: http.apache.org or #apache |
| 01:59.05 | Guerin | nyk2005: this is not debian-specific |
| 01:59.07 | nyk2005 | thx! |
| 01:59.34 | Guerin | httpd.apache.org, I should say |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | hahaha! .. Guerin got a thx! |
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| 01:59.44 | teufel_ | I just set up linux on a computer I had, and got it working, however it runs extremely slow... this isn't a bad computer and the other computer I have linux on is about 10 times worse but runs 100 times faster... wtf is going on? |
| 01:59.54 | Guerin | abrotman: omglolz |
| 02:00.15 | Guerin | teufel_: define 'slow' |
| 02:00.19 | Boukensya | how do you 1. get rid of the beeps when you hit tab 2. get rid of delay when you log in and 3. get rid of delay logging into ftp |
| 02:00.36 | Smeta | Guerin:i pasted it in debian overflow..ok ? |
| 02:00.42 | Guerin | Boukensya: 1. /msg dpkg bell 2. and 3. define 'delay' |
| 02:00.49 | teufel_ | Guerin: hey, havn't seen you in a while ;) it's just really slow booting up... loading the GUI.. installing stuff... everything! |
| 02:00.56 | Guerin | Smeta: is that where I told you to paste it? |
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| 02:01.14 | Guerin | teufel_: you could be a littlre bit vaguer if you tried reeeeeallly hard |
| 02:01.18 | Boukensya | Guerin, cheers man |
| 02:01.50 | dwalton59 | I am having a problem getting my network card to boot up |
| 02:01.58 | teufel_ | Guerin: I'm sorry that I don't have an error log for you or anything, it's just taking forever to do anything... I have a gig of ram, a 2.8 ghz processor, it shouldn't be this slow |
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| 02:02.11 | Hooke | hi |
| 02:02.18 | Guerin | teufel_: sorry, can't do anything with that |
| 02:02.23 | Smeta | where should i paste it ? |
| 02:02.32 | Guerin | !paster Smeta |
| 02:02.33 | dpkg | Smeta: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 02:02.48 | Boukensya | I tried to google this a bit but couldn't really find anything. I am making a webserver and I want the users to be put in /home/www/domain.com but when I try to create the user it states its a bad name, I can force it but is this a bad thing to do that? |
| 02:03.59 | Guerin | Boukensya: yes and no. Read man adduser. |
| 02:04.10 | Smeta | Guerin:now i pasted it ..ok? |
| 02:04.13 | abrotman | i'm still hungry! |
| 02:04.28 | Smeta | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1306 |
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| 02:05.11 | Guerin | !info libncurses5 |
| 02:05.15 | dpkg | libncurses5: (Shared libraries for terminal handling), section libs, is required. Version: 5.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 286 kB, Installed size: 548 kB |
| 02:05.26 | Guerin | Smeta: why are you using sid without clue? |
| 02:05.47 | dwalton59 | I am having a problem with getting my network card to boot up |
| 02:05.55 | Guerin | dwalton59: so you keep saying |
| 02:06.07 | dwalton59 | can u help |
| 02:06.29 | Guerin | dwalton59: can you give some indication as to what's wrong? |
| 02:06.29 | Guerin | !ask |
| 02:06.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:07.08 | Smeta | must have got my sources.list wrong?! |
| 02:07.31 | Guerin | Smeta: must have. Suggest you reinstall stable |
| 02:07.48 | dwalton59 | I am running debian 3.1 my netwoke card times out at boot up and will not lwt me connet |
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| 02:08.20 | Guerin | dwalton59: post output of the following commands to paster: |
| 02:08.20 | Smeta | okey. should i dl i386 when i have a p4 1.7? |
| 02:08.52 | Guerin | dwalton59: lspci -grep -i eth; ifconfig; cat /etc/network/interfaces; lsmod |
| 02:08.56 | abrotman | Smeta: yes |
| 02:08.57 | Guerin | Smeta: yes. |
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| 02:09.20 | JRWR | how do i install the device uramdom |
| 02:09.28 | dwalton59 | I tried ISPCI it did not work |
| 02:09.28 | JRWR | urandom* |
| 02:09.40 | abrotman | JRWR: is this your own custom kernel ? |
| 02:09.44 | Guerin | dwalton59: who mentioned ISPCI? |
| 02:09.46 | abrotman | dwalton59: L .. not I |
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| 02:10.28 | JRWR | no |
| 02:10.29 | dwalton59 | thx |
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| 02:10.34 | JRWR | srage |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | JRWR: cat /proc/version |
| 02:11.10 | A3K | stupid question of the day: I downloaded Sun Java (self extracting file) and end up with a .bin...what do I do with it? |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | !tell A3K about install java |
| 02:11.23 | A3K | ah |
| 02:11.35 | JRWR | Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 |
| 02:11.48 | abrotman | JRWR: . /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 02:11.55 | LoneWlf | JRWR: man urandom |
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| 02:12.12 | JRWR | ok |
| 02:12.15 | JRWR | nvm |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:12.20 | abrotman | you found it ? |
| 02:12.30 | JRWR | i found it, (i was looking in the wrong place |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | ffs |
| 02:12.41 | LoneWlf | JRWR: about 1/3 of the way down the page... it tells about install /dev/urandom |
| 02:12.54 | JRWR | nvm its installed |
| 02:12.59 | LoneWlf | JRWR: kk |
| 02:13.00 | JRWR | (im compiling qpopper |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | why? |
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| 02:13.30 | JRWR | i like compiling stuff my self |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | then why are you using debian ? |
| 02:13.54 | JRWR | some times i like compiling stuff |
| 02:14.01 | abrotman | freak |
| 02:14.08 | JRWR | what?! |
| 02:14.13 | blondie | DISGUSTING |
| 02:14.17 | JRWR | ? |
| 02:14.22 | LoneWlf | wtf m8s |
| 02:14.24 | blondie | compiling yourself |
| 02:14.28 | LoneWlf | compiling is a necessary skill |
| 02:14.36 | blondie | LoneWlf: so is spelling |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | sure .. when required ... |
| 02:14.42 | LoneWlf | aye |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | !aolify LoneWlf |
| 02:15.06 | Guerin | um |
| 02:15.12 | blondie | mu |
| 02:15.14 | Guerin | what skill exactly does compiling require? |
| 02:15.21 | blondie | typing "make" |
| 02:15.22 | blondie | :D |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | apt-get install build-essential ? :) |
| 02:15.43 | LoneWlf | Tracking dependencies reading how-tos and fixing broken code |
| 02:16.03 | Guerin | LoneWlf: those aren't skills you get by compiling |
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| 02:16.22 | blondie | *POINT* |
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| 02:16.26 | abrotman | !phillysmite FourierSeries |
| 02:16.39 | LoneWlf | And match, as I don't argue |
| 02:16.42 | LoneWlf | consider yourselves correct |
| 02:17.01 | abrotman | FourierSeries: we'll let you pick .. Pat's or Geno's :) |
| 02:17.14 | FourierSeries | Geno's! |
| 02:17.19 | abrotman | or some other place .. Tony Luke's is yummy |
| 02:17.31 | JRWR | ok im NOT compiling Qpopper |
| 02:17.35 | FourierSeries | *sigh* - now i'm hungry |
| 02:17.37 | JRWR | but how do i config it? |
| 02:17.40 | JRWR | fpr vusers |
| 02:17.43 | JRWR | for |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | is qpopper in debian ? |
| 02:18.09 | LoneWlf | abrotman: qpopper... is a package in debian... of that I am most certain |
| 02:18.19 | abrotman | !info qpopper sarge |
| 02:18.24 | dpkg | qpopper: (Enhanced Post Office Protocol server (POP3)), section mail, is extra. Version: 4.0.5-4sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 403 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
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| 02:18.47 | blondie | pop3 makes blondie cry |
| 02:19.06 | abrotman | rather use MAPI ? |
| 02:19.07 | LoneWlf | just glad it wasn't me |
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| 02:19.18 | blondie | rather use IMAP |
| 02:19.30 | JRWR | IMAP sucks |
| 02:19.34 | JRWR | to slow |
| 02:19.37 | blondie | IMAP rocks |
| 02:19.42 | blondie | and you can't spell "too" :P |
| 02:19.44 | LoneWlf | I agree with you blondie, IMAP is beautiful |
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| 02:19.58 | abrotman | JRWR: IMAP sucks with mbox |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | and a super large inbox |
| 02:20.13 | abrotman | blondie: duh .. everyone should :) |
| 02:20.15 | blondie | not that it seems much faster ;0 |
| 02:20.36 | JRWR | where does debain stick its config file for qpopper |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | blondie: try to delete an email from the middle of a 1000 message inbox |
| 02:20.41 | abrotman | using mbox |
| 02:20.49 | blondie | oh I have |
| 02:20.58 | LoneWlf | *warning: wild guess* /etc/qpopper/something.conf |
| 02:21.15 | blondie | actually, usually not with IMAP but with the client accessing .mail directlry |
| 02:21.17 | blondie | -r |
| 02:21.17 | Nemoi | Is there a ready way to download the entire stable base system and keep it locally (set up my own ftp on the lan) for quick re-installs ? |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | Nemoi: you can setup a mirror .. or download all 14CDs/2DVDs |
| 02:21.50 | Nemoi | I'll give that a lookie |
| 02:21.50 | FourierSeries | cut a CD? share it out with ftp? |
| 02:21.56 | LoneWlf | Nemoi : assuredly, not that I know what it is... |
| 02:22.00 | JRWR | bash: cd: qpopper: No such file or directory |
| 02:22.08 | nyk2005 | does anyone know where the "Products" directory of zope is in the debian directory layout? |
| 02:22.09 | blondie | it caches everything you download |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | JRWR: dpkg -L qpopper |
| 02:22.38 | JRWR | hah |
| 02:22.39 | JRWR | No packages found matching qpopper |
| 02:22.40 | LoneWlf | JRWR: sudo updatedb; locate qpopper|more |
| 02:22.42 | Tortel | iok, I would like to go to etch from sarge, but it wants to remove some things, should I just go with it? |
| 02:22.47 | Nemoi | abrotman: hehe, I considered fetching the entire cd set for about.. 2 seconds. 14 cds for something I'll use >5 times is a waste ;) |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | Nemoi: you could order them :) |
| 02:23.09 | blondie | faster to download |
| 02:23.22 | JRWR | ./etc/qpopper.conf |
| 02:23.30 | blondie | my work connection is too fast :\ |
| 02:23.34 | LoneWlf | JRWR: go figure *grins* |
| 02:23.41 | LoneWlf | blondie: I'll take some |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | bah .. i should really wrap that |
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| 02:24.17 | blondie | grrr |
| 02:24.24 | Nemoi | abrotman: I take it you mean after the xmas consumer frenzy. I'm cheap on presents, and I'm still broke ;) |
| 02:24.50 | abrotman | Nemoi: no .. i have to send it tomorrow! |
| 02:25.02 | Nemoi | oh, oh! |
| 02:25.21 | Nemoi | um.. CD1 would contain the base system, no? |
| 02:25.27 | LoneWlf | blondie: online shopping wouldn't be so bad... |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 02:25.36 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 02:25.49 | LoneWlf | and you could have them wrapped and sent to them in the post |
| 02:25.52 | Nemoi | Excellent |
| 02:25.55 | blondie | LoneWlf: maybe if I was more organised |
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| 02:26.04 | blondie | I don't need to post the things I'm gonna buy |
| 02:26.16 | LoneWlf | I know that feeling |
| 02:26.32 | LoneWlf | post -> mail -> fed ex/UPS/USPS |
| 02:26.42 | blondie | ? |
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| 02:27.07 | blondie | what does that mean |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | gah .. damn you people .. i was going to play DQ VIII! |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | i forgot! |
| 02:27.22 | LoneWlf | DQ VIII? |
| 02:27.25 | LoneWlf | wuzzat? |
| 02:27.33 | Tortel | here goes nothing... |
| 02:27.34 | LoneWlf | blondie: which part of which? |
| 02:27.44 | FourierSeries | Dairy Qween? |
| 02:27.44 | blondie | post -> mail -> fed ex/UPS/USPS |
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| 02:28.06 | venger | in a dual nic setup would there be any benefit or degradation for the internal IP nic eth 1 to talk 1000bT to a workstation, but then talk 100bT to its own external IP nic eth0 where eht1 then talks 100bT with a cablemodem (i've assumed autosense would support eth1's switching)? I got a problem with an old 3com 3c905b nic card sometimes i get alot of Transmit timeouts and it rediscovers the IRQ when I restart networking. Its causing h |
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| 02:28.11 | Guerin | Dildo Quest |
| 02:28.18 | blondie | that sounds fun ;p |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | LoneWlf: dragon quest VIII |
| 02:28.26 | LoneWlf | post is another word for snail-mail is another word for Fed-Ex is or United Postal Service or United States Postal Service |
| 02:28.50 | LoneWlf | before it was used as "posting on message boards" |
| 02:28.52 | blondie | I know what post is |
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| 02:29.14 | LoneWlf | I was just making sure that you know what reference I meant... I hate miscommunication |
| 02:29.17 | LoneWlf | afk one sec |
| 02:29.18 | blondie | we use "post" here more than "mail" :P |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | post meant mail/ship long before it had anything to do with message boards |
| 02:29.33 | blondie | "mail" means email more than snail-mail |
| 02:30.13 | blondie | for some reason, we use "post" but have the Royal *Mail*, but you say "mail" and ahve the US *Postal* Service :P |
| 02:30.18 | Boukensya | Is there any good FAQs for groups and how to use them? google is not my friend today |
| 02:30.29 | blondie | what about groups# |
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| 02:30.47 | FourierSeries | ... newsgroups? |
| 02:30.59 | blondie | that's what I though at first |
| 02:31.00 | Boukensya | linux groups |
| 02:31.15 | blondie | well |
| 02:31.18 | Boukensya | like basically I want a www group that can't access any system things such as ssh etc.. |
| 02:31.21 | blondie | groups in /etc/group |
| 02:31.27 | Boukensya | and them to always be locked in there directory |
| 02:31.34 | blondie | erm |
| 02:31.43 | blondie | it'll take more than just making a group to do that :P |
| 02:31.46 | Boukensya | and for it to copy from another place then /etc/skel (this one isn't really so important) |
| 02:31.49 | FourierSeries | chuckle ... ah ... yes ... /etc/groups ... |
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| 02:32.33 | Hooke | bye |
| 02:32.46 | Boukensya | what else do i need? |
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| 02:33.23 | blondie | magic |
| 02:33.51 | Tortel | luck |
| 02:33.59 | Tortel | money? |
| 02:34.03 | Guerin | reading |
| 02:34.16 | Tortel | a brain |
| 02:34.28 | FourierSeries | wimmin! |
| 02:34.30 | lilo | a heart |
| 02:34.34 | Tortel | a knowledge of what RTFM means |
| 02:34.35 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: google 'sandbox' |
| 02:34.35 | lilo | courage? |
| 02:34.56 | Omniflux | I just experienced a very bad corruption on my root fs. Can someone suggest a (small) CD based distribution I can use to try to rescue a few files with before I reformat it? |
| 02:34.58 | LoneWlf | here here FourierSeries |
| 02:35.12 | LoneWlf | Omniflux: TRK |
| 02:35.14 | LoneWlf | Trinity |
| 02:35.17 | LoneWlf | Rescue Kit |
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| 02:35.29 | LoneWlf | mishit the damned enter key, please disregard |
| 02:35.39 | blondie | FourierSeries: no |
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| 02:35.45 | LoneWlf | oh, and please disregard the foul language as well |
| 02:35.45 | FourierSeries | :) |
| 02:35.58 | Boukensya | haha I am confused |
| 02:36.10 | blondie | what foul language? |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | damn |
| 02:36.36 | Omniflux | lol. I will look at TRK then :) |
| 02:36.46 | FourierSeries | I've seen knoppix tossed about .. anyone ever use it for recovery? |
| 02:36.51 | blondie | abrotman: oh HOW rude |
| 02:37.04 | Boukensya | so sandbox has something to do with restricting groups? |
| 02:37.13 | LoneWlf | FourierSeries: yeah, that's a good one... actually... Helix Knoppix... crime scene forensics kit, fun stuff |
| 02:37.28 | Tortel | gnoppix |
| 02:37.33 | Tortel | knoppix with gnome |
| 02:37.34 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: did you google it? |
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| 02:37.43 | Boukensya | yeah and I am confused |
| 02:37.48 | LoneWlf | Tortel: but Linus says use KDE |
| 02:37.58 | Tortel | but I say use gnome |
| 02:37.59 | tahpot | i have an interface wlan0, but i need it to be labeld eth3 or similar - how can i rename it? |
| 02:38.01 | Tortel | :| |
| 02:38.09 | tahpot | (it's so vmware will work properly) |
| 02:38.57 | Tortel | ok, im upgrading to etch now, with xorg, do I need to reinstall the nvidia drivers and such? |
| 02:38.59 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: keep reading until you're unconfused or can ask specific questions, it has a lot to do with your final project... group restriction, which you are talking about, is addressed along with a myriad of other things that you aren't attempting, but attempting them from scratch is silly when the wheel of sandbox restriction has already been built |
| 02:39.28 | JRWR | um |
| 02:39.29 | LoneWlf | tahpot: short of rewriting the driver... I dunno |
| 02:39.39 | LoneWlf | *thinks* |
| 02:40.37 | LoneWlf | ln -s /dev/wlan0 /dev/eth3 |
| 02:40.38 | LoneWlf | ? |
| 02:40.47 | Boukensya | LoneWlf, I can't find anything pertaining to sandbox and a program.. I checked on google and freshmeat |
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| 02:41.10 | LoneWlf | *goes to follow his own instructions and see where they are lacking* |
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| 02:41.44 | tengulre11 | hi,all |
| 02:41.50 | Tortel | hi |
| 02:41.52 | JRWR | ....... for some odd resone i cant connect to my pop3 server now |
| 02:42.02 | tahpot | LW: network devices are not character or block devices |
| 02:42.21 | Omniflux | Is there a somewhere I can lookup what version of the kernel support for a device was added in? |
| 02:42.21 | Tortel | sooo long to wait for downloads... |
| 02:42.42 | LoneWlf | tahpot: hrm |
| 02:43.00 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: try 'creating a sandbox' or 'creating a jail' |
| 02:43.08 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: that seems more on the mark |
| 02:43.41 | Tortel | aha |
| 02:43.50 | Tortel | thats a virus checking thing |
| 02:44.07 | Tortel | test what the program does in a special part of the memory |
| 02:44.32 | Tortel | and kill it if you dont like what it does |
| 02:44.49 | LoneWlf | tahpot: in the manpage it states that the interface is generally a driver name |
| 02:45.00 | LoneWlf | tahpot: the manpage for ifconfig that is |
| 02:45.13 | Boukensya | LoneWlf, I started as using Virtual users (which is alot better Idea I think) using proftpd but then that fell through the roof when permissions wouldn't pertain to that user (meaning everything needs to be 777) |
| 02:45.17 | TraceGreen | Hello, does anyone use x11vnc? i install x11vnc-0.7.1-3, but the mouse seems don't release when remote click, any ideas? |
| 02:46.09 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: so... you want ftp users restricted to their home directories? |
| 02:46.19 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: what exactly are you attempting? |
| 02:46.51 | Boukensya | well I am making a webserver and everyone will be in /home/www/theirdomain.com |
| 02:47.02 | Boukensya | and their usernames will be theirdomain.com |
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| 02:47.37 | Boukensya | and the only thing lacking with the virtual users (authfile) is that pretty much everything needs to be 777 in permissions |
| 02:47.59 | Guerin | Boukensya: make all their files +r to www-data |
| 02:48.02 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: that's annoying... what documentation are you using? |
| 02:48.02 | Omniflux | LoneWlf: I do not think TRK has support for my SATA controller. Any other suggestions for small CD distributions? Helix looks to be about 700MB |
| 02:48.03 | Guerin | Boukensya: problem solved |
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| 02:48.30 | Guerin | Boukensya: tell them if they want something servable on the web they need to change that permission on it |
| 02:48.37 | Tortel | uhh, should I exit stuff while going sarge->etch? |
| 02:48.47 | Guerin | Tortel: not necessary |
| 02:48.52 | Tortel | ok |
| 02:48.53 | LoneWlf | Omniflux: well, knoppix itself isn't tiny... but... if you have another hd... I'd just rescue it over time with the new install |
| 02:48.59 | Boukensya | Guerin, ?? I am confused a little, so what exactly is that doing? |
| 02:49.11 | Guerin | Boukensya: man coreutils chmod |
| 02:49.16 | LoneWlf | Omniflux: oh, wait... you're talking about corruption... not actual bad sectors... |
| 02:49.19 | LoneWlf | grrs |
| 02:49.27 | LoneWlf | must keep head on strait |
| 02:49.29 | Omniflux | yeah. and no extra hd |
| 02:50.18 | Tortel | how are you on IRC? |
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| 02:50.21 | Boukensya | Guerin, cool, will check that now. So what you are saying is that the users can change/create permissions in their locked in virtual directory without a real account? |
| 02:50.33 | xerophyte | can you able to take Mozilla Public License project and start another version of open source project just wondering |
| 02:50.45 | Omniflux | Tortel: another computer with windows. |
| 02:50.52 | LoneWlf | Omniflux: well, any linux installation cd allows for an emergency shell before you've actually done anything, I've used both Debian and Slackware distributions in this fashion |
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| 02:53.33 | FourierSeries | xerophyte: um ... consult a lawyer? |
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| 02:53.47 | abrotman | xerophyte: ask on irc.mozilla.org |
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| 02:54.19 | Omniflux | LoneWlf: I will probably try the Debian netinstall CD then |
| 02:54.27 | Omniflux | If I can find it...:) |
| 02:55.11 | tuv | are sid packages available on downloadable cd images? |
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| 02:55.45 | abrotman | !d-i Omniflux |
| 02:55.45 | dpkg | Omniflux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:55.57 | Boukensya | Guerin, I still don't understand how that can help me allow them to change the permissions |
| 02:56.13 | tengulre11 | hi,all |
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| 02:56.35 | Omniflux | I don't know how that is for everyone elses good, but ok :) |
| 02:56.45 | Boukensya | Guerin, some of the clients has specific permissions (like 644 etc..) that they need set on their webpages |
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| 02:57.43 | Boukensya | a virtual user falls under the 3rd catagory, world - not owner or group |
| 02:57.49 | s4lv1n0 | Pessoal, tem algum site oficial onde tenha a source.list para o Kurumin? |
| 02:58.06 | Boukensya | so in order for it to change the permissions it would have to be something like 647, but that is not what they want |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 02:58.22 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 02:58.47 | s4lv1n0 | Of course it is Debian... anyways... |
| 02:58.54 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: ok, so I went and read up on the documentation for Pure-FTPD's virtual users |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | s4lv1n0: no it is not |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | debian is debian .. anything based on debian is NOT debian |
| 02:59.15 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: and basically what it says is that the files should be owned by ftpuser and ftpgroup |
| 02:59.35 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want to use lower version of x11vnc, how can i get lower version of x11vnc through debian? |
| 02:59.39 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: at that point, to make them browseable on the web, they just have to be world readable, not world writable |
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| 02:59.55 | s4lv1n0 | Ok, that's allright, but all packages are .DEB |
| 03:00.05 | aubergine | trace get the .deb package |
| 03:00.10 | bbrazil | s4lv1n0: and? all SuSE packages are .rpm |
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| 03:00.19 | abrotman | that doesn't make it red hat! |
| 03:00.23 | TraceGreen | i mean, source code |
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| 03:00.28 | abrotman | bbrazil: tag me .. i'm in! |
| 03:00.35 | cjaymes | any ideas how to always determine the external address with nat? |
| 03:00.42 | s4lv1n0 | OK, sorry... I will try the BRASNET server |
| 03:00.48 | bbrazil | cjaymes: ? |
| 03:00.52 | TraceGreen | i can get source code with apt-get source ***, but i want to get lower version ,how can i get it? |
| 03:00.56 | bbrazil | s4lv1n0: #debian-br |
| 03:01.01 | silvinho | cjaymes: traceroute |
| 03:01.01 | Boukensya | LoneWlf, Ahh, so I think that makes sense to me.. so with all the webpages make it be owned by one user, ftpuser |
| 03:01.10 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: aye |
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| 03:01.17 | abrotman | bbrazil: not really .. he wants help with kurumin .. not with debian |
| 03:01.23 | bbrazil | TraceGreen: manually download ,it, you'll proabbaly have to build from source |
| 03:01.25 | Boukensya | and that way everyone can write to their home directory because they are writing on behalf of ftpuser |
| 03:01.30 | bbrazil | abrotman: bah, you're right |
| 03:01.32 | wau | hello dpkg. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Setting the machine to horizontal scan 28-80kHz and the Vertical refresh to 48-75Hz. The max res. is 1280x1024.The resolution is still blurry. My monitor menue reads that the machine is sending 800x600/ 72Hz. |
| 03:01.32 | s4lv1n0 | Oh thanks |
| 03:01.53 | cjaymes | silvinho, tr only works if the network admins are nice |
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| 03:02.05 | TraceGreen | bbrazil, can i download it from debian's website? |
| 03:02.07 | cjaymes | I guess you have to be looking outside in to know for sure |
| 03:02.16 | silvinho | cjaymes: whatismyipadress.com ? |
| 03:02.17 | abrotman | !tell wau about xmd5 |
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| 03:02.21 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: right, and that's the user they're coming in as by virtue of pure-ftpd handling authentication and ftping and doing the writing... |
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| 03:02.23 | bbrazil | TraceGreen: old versions (woody) should be available |
| 03:02.47 | wau | what is xmd5? |
| 03:02.49 | cjaymes | silvinho, yeah, I was hoping for something more ... portable I guess |
| 03:03.02 | Boukensya | LoneWlf, I am using proftpd, does it made much difference? |
| 03:03.16 | bbrazil | cjaymes: tcptraceroute |
| 03:03.19 | Boukensya | or should I use purftpd |
| 03:03.20 | Boukensya | ? |
| 03:03.26 | LoneWlf | um... the documentation I was reading was for pureftpd... |
| 03:03.30 | bbrazil | cjaymes: or fine a site with phpinfo exposed |
| 03:03.34 | bbrazil | +find |
| 03:03.44 | LoneWlf | I'll go see I guess if pro offers virt users and what the differences are, one sec |
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| 03:04.14 | Boukensya | LoneWlf, it does, called "AuthFile" |
| 03:04.19 | TraceGreen | bbrazil, sorry, for example, http://debian.cn99.com/debian/dists/woody/main/source/, i just see soruces.gz, where can i find it/ |
| 03:04.25 | bsims | any ideas WTF I can do to regain that 30GB |
| 03:04.49 | Boukensya | LoneWlf, do you have that pureftpd link handy as I wouldn't mind changing if its any easier to setup then the proftpd |
| 03:04.52 | tengulre11 | hi,TraceGreen, Are you chinese? |
| 03:04.54 | valdyn | !tell TraceGreen -about sdn |
| 03:04.56 | bbrazil | bsims: 1KiB != 1KB, try reducing reserved space for root |
| 03:05.06 | TraceGreen | tengulre11, yeah. |
| 03:05.17 | bsims | bbrazil: this is just an external hd |
| 03:05.34 | tengulre11 | TraceGreen: I m too! ;) |
| 03:05.40 | bsims | but your point about salesman's gigs is well taken |
| 03:05.56 | TraceGreen | tengulre11, nice to meet you here |
| 03:06.20 | tengulre11 | nice to meet u too ! :) |
| 03:06.21 | bbrazil | bsims: yeah thats a 1000byte kilobyte |
| 03:06.23 | litage | is it normal for several connections to stay open for several+ minutes after nullmailer sends an email? |
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| 03:07.02 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: yeah, one sec |
| 03:07.18 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: http://www.pureftpd.org/README.Virtual-Users |
| 03:07.21 | litage | eg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Xkxgi694.html |
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| 03:07.28 | Boukensya | cool, I am doing some research too and it looks like pure-ftpd is alot easier (: |
| 03:07.31 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: and it chroots users by default... |
| 03:07.37 | LoneWlf | Boukensya: good luck... |
| 03:07.49 | LoneWlf | *sighs* |
| 03:07.55 | LoneWlf | no problems of my own to solve tonight |
| 03:08.04 | bsims | bbrazil: but still 8% overhead/salesman shrinkage |
| 03:08.16 | Boukensya | cool, thanks heaps LoneWlf |
| 03:08.30 | pipeline | Isn't there a portuguese channel? |
| 03:08.32 | pipeline | #debian-br or something? |
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| 03:08.36 | bbrazil | bsims: nothing you can do about it |
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| 03:08.41 | valdyn | !br |
| 03:08.42 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:08.52 | bsims | I know |
| 03:09.06 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 03:09.20 | bsims | Woot 19Gb left to backup |
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| 03:09.29 | jrr | yay! |
| 03:09.32 | LoneWlf | wouldn't want the russians to get ahold of a solution |
| 03:09.39 | LoneWlf | or was that the iraqis |
| 03:09.40 | FourierSeries | bsims: pity you only have 1 g left ... |
| 03:09.41 | LoneWlf | or the turks |
| 03:09.44 | LoneWlf | or the chinese |
| 03:09.47 | bsims | pushing 120GB over usb2 takes a while |
| 03:09.58 | LoneWlf | *ducks under his desk and looks around suspiciously* |
| 03:10.05 | Tortel | woo, its finally installing the etch packages |
| 03:10.09 | bsims | FourierSeries: what do ya mean 1g left |
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| 03:10.12 | LoneWlf | Tortel: congrats |
| 03:10.15 | Tortel | the xfree->xorg is slow... |
| 03:10.19 | LoneWlf | bsims: go check |
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| 03:10.31 | FourierSeries | bsims: ;0) |
| 03:10.36 | LoneWlf | bsims: he has an uncanny ability to be right... sometimes |
| 03:10.50 | FourierSeries | j/j |
| 03:10.52 | FourierSeries | er |
| 03:10.54 | FourierSeries | j/k |
| 03:10.56 | mae | if i want to implement my own custom iptables script - what is the best practice as far as how to invoke and where to place the script? |
| 03:10.57 | mae | in deb |
| 03:11.03 | gearry | I am playing with NFS for the first time; connected one machine to an exported dir, but when I try to connect a second machine it blocks the connection |
| 03:11.11 | jrr | mae: /etc/rc2.d i'd imagine |
| 03:11.11 | gearry | anybody have any idea where I should look |
| 03:11.23 | bsims | /dev/hda2 36G 18G 17G 51% / | /dev/sda1 276G 95G 167G 37% /backup | /dev/hdb3 111G 93G 19G 84% /suse |
| 03:11.29 | mae | jrr: but should it be run before or after network |
| 03:11.32 | LoneWlf | mae: place the script in /etc/init.d, link it from /etc/rc2.d/S##name |
| 03:11.34 | FourierSeries | mae: i still put it in /etc/init.d and then link to it from there |
| 03:11.36 | bsims | LoneWlf: I still don't understand |
| 03:11.41 | LoneWlf | mae: after |
| 03:11.45 | gearry | I assume you can mount an exported dir in more than once place |
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| 03:11.56 | mae | LoneWlf: doesn't that leave your network vuln for 10 secs |
| 03:11.57 | mae | or so |
| 03:12.00 | gearry | perhaps it is limited to one connection somwhere? |
| 03:12.03 | LoneWlf | gearry: only if you told it you could |
| 03:12.17 | gearry | LoneWlf: where would that be set? |
| 03:12.23 | bsims | FourierSeries: I don't understand... were you making a joke or what? |
| 03:12.24 | LoneWlf | gearry: it's limited to who, I don't know what the theoretical limit is as to how many |
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| 03:12.42 | FourierSeries | bsims: sorry - just a joke ... |
| 03:12.42 | LoneWlf | gearry: /etc/exports |
| 03:12.47 | gearry | LoneWlf: well, the hosts I am working with are all allowed |
| 03:12.55 | LoneWlf | bsims: it was supposed to be funny |
| 03:13.00 | bsims | FourierSeries: heh thats what I thoght but... |
| 03:13.05 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 03:13.06 | bsims | heh |
| 03:13.09 | abrotman | mae: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 03:13.09 | LoneWlf | gearry: what error message do you get when you attempt it? |
| 03:13.32 | mae | anyone have experience using hogwash or any other bridged firewall packages? |
| 03:13.38 | abrotman | mae: i believe you can use pre-up with iptables |
| 03:13.42 | LoneWlf | mae: dependent on the speed of your machine, aye, however, you can't execute it until it has the devices to work with... |
| 03:13.47 | bsims | well no funny is replacing someone's heavy metal mp3s with the techno remix of the Spongebob Squarepants theme |
| 03:13.54 | FourierSeries | mae: you would want to make sure the script starts fairly early in the process ,,, |
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| 03:14.17 | gearry | mount: 1.2.3.4:/mnt/point failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 03:14.18 | FourierSeries | mae: Hogwash? Snort related yes? |
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| 03:14.24 | Tortel | hmm, should the xfree to xorg take like 10min? |
| 03:14.26 | mae | FourierSeries: yes |
| 03:14.29 | LoneWlf | bsims: everything is funny in the right light |
| 03:14.34 | Nemoi | I tried apt-pining to get xorg installed, but I get a list of some dependencies (isn't apt-get supposed to take care of them automagically?) ending with "E: broken packages". ie. I need libc6 >= 2.3.5-1 before I can install xorg. Can I have apt-get install that specific version somehow? |
| 03:14.35 | LoneWlf | bsims: just ask Puck |
| 03:14.35 | mae | well it implements snort also |
| 03:14.38 | bsims | except Microsoft |
| 03:14.39 | gearry | but I can not see where or why it was denied |
| 03:14.40 | mae | but main purpose is bridged firewall |
| 03:14.49 | bsims | no matter how you look at that its sad |
| 03:14.54 | tsume | its mae! :) |
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| 03:15.03 | gearry | my export allows 1.2.3.0/24 |
| 03:15.10 | LoneWlf | gearry: msg me your /etc/exports file and the boxes IPs and hostnames as they appear in /etc/hosts |
| 03:15.16 | gearry | and my hosts.allow has a line for the same subnet |
| 03:15.29 | LoneWlf | gearry: scratch that |
| 03:15.35 | LoneWlf | gearry: what about the log on the server side? |
| 03:15.40 | gearry | which log |
| 03:15.48 | Tortel | ok, this aint goos |
| 03:15.50 | Tortel | *good |
| 03:15.55 | LoneWlf | gearry: um... I think it would /var/log/syslog, but it may be messages or daemon |
| 03:16.02 | LoneWlf | Tortel: vas? |
| 03:16.11 | gearry | In my daemon.log I see the same message |
| 03:16.11 | FourierSeries | mae: firewalling via iptables i've done, seting up gateways, etc. Bridging .,, um .. |
| 03:16.12 | Tortel | should I have used synaptic to upgrade distro? |
| 03:16.17 | Tortel | :P |
| 03:16.38 | LoneWlf | gearry: ok, so the attempt is coming thru... do you have root_no_squash or root_sqaush? |
| 03:16.40 | gearry | syslog has the same thing |
| 03:16.45 | mae | FourierSeries: bridging happens before the network layer |
| 03:16.48 | gearry | none of those things set |
| 03:17.03 | LoneWlf | gearry: and on one system it works and the others it does not? |
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| 03:17.17 | gearry | correct |
| 03:17.18 | FourierSeries | mae: is there a specific problem you have? or just general advice? |
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| 03:17.34 | LoneWlf | gearry: I vaguely remember having a problem of a similar sort once... I ended by making a separate line in /etc/exports for each host |
| 03:17.44 | gearry | the only difference between the two systems is that the client that works is ubuntu |
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| 03:17.59 | LoneWlf | gearry: version differences client side? |
| 03:18.07 | gearry | perhaps |
| 03:18.17 | LoneWlf | caphuso!!!! |
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| 03:18.29 | abrotman | LoneWlf: not really .. his isp sucks :) |
| 03:18.46 | LoneWlf | hail and welcome yon friend of the friendless, studier of books and master of computer science *weg* |
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| 03:19.06 | jrr | LoneWlf: interesting greeting. |
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| 03:19.07 | LoneWlf | abrotman: well... that can be a problem... why though? |
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| 03:19.21 | LoneWlf | jrr: well... it was supposed to be funny |
| 03:19.26 | jrr | =] |
| 03:19.28 | LoneWlf | hehehe |
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| 03:19.41 | wau | abrotman md5sum says files are identical |
| 03:19.51 | Thaiger | Every time I reboot my computer all my loops except zero go away (ie /dev/loop/0) and I have to recreate them everytime. How do I get them to stay? |
| 03:20.10 | LoneWlf | Thaiger: um... what creates them to begin? |
| 03:20.21 | gearry | LoneWlf: I am going to go get my laptop and check versions |
| 03:20.29 | LoneWlf | Thaiger: one would imagine that they are designed to go away and must be configured somewhere to make them stick |
| 03:20.35 | LoneWlf | gearry: good plan |
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| 03:20.53 | dwalton59 | I am having a problem with my network card I am running Ver 3.1 my card is VIA tech Vt6102 on IRQ 11 it is a shared IRQ |
| 03:20.56 | LoneWlf | gearry: you might also consider trying a separate line for each host |
| 03:21.10 | abrotman | LoneWlf: because it's a crappy ISP ? |
| 03:21.14 | LoneWlf | dwalton59: what problem are you experiencing? |
| 03:21.19 | abrotman | wau: then try the dpkg-reconfigure thingie again |
| 03:21.21 | Thaiger | LoneWlf: I just use mknod -m600 /dev/loop/1 b 7 1 to create them |
| 03:21.49 | gearry | LoneWlf: tried that |
| 03:21.52 | gearry | no luck |
| 03:21.52 | LoneWlf | abrotman: I thought he was a college student, and... oh, he must not live in the dorms |
| 03:22.00 | LoneWlf | gearry: ah, well then, scratch that theory |
| 03:22.09 | gearry | oh wait, I forget to restart the service though |
| 03:22.16 | dwalton59 | my card times out at boot up |
| 03:22.29 | gearry | probably a good idea after editing /etc/exports |
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| 03:22.56 | gearry | LoneWlf: same mount version on both |
| 03:23.20 | LoneWlf | gearry: ok, back at the ranch... I wish I could actually test this somewhere... |
| 03:23.33 | LoneWlf | gearry: what OS is the server? |
| 03:23.38 | raden | is there away to play windows media files in linnux or more specifically a browser ? |
| 03:23.40 | LoneWlf | debian? |
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| 03:23.55 | gearry | yeah, that is why I am here |
| 03:23.57 | abrotman | !tell raden about w32codecs |
| 03:23.59 | LoneWlf | wmv files? under linux? but WHY? *cries* |
| 03:24.04 | cat | raden, w32codecs |
| 03:24.08 | LoneWlf | hehehe |
| 03:24.13 | lunitik | LoneWlf: pr0n more than likely. |
| 03:24.18 | gearry | the server is debian and the client that does not work is debian |
| 03:24.21 | LoneWlf | lunitik: that's what I'm thinkin |
| 03:24.27 | gearry | the client that does work is ubuntu |
| 03:24.33 | LoneWlf | and the other clients? |
| 03:24.38 | LoneWlf | gearry... |
| 03:24.42 | cat | is it? |
| 03:24.46 | LoneWlf | oh |
| 03:24.49 | dwalton59 | lonewlf my network card try to boot up and it times out |
| 03:24.55 | deuce868 | anyone know what screen -M -t IM 1 (what the -M is? can't find in screen man page or online reference) |
| 03:24.57 | cat | dwalton59, any errors? |
| 03:25.09 | b14ck | Is there a way to change my system time? |
| 03:25.18 | LoneWlf | dwalton59: times out? doing what? loading the driver? doesn't seem likely... |
| 03:25.18 | dwalton59 | no just times out |
| 03:25.20 | ldexter | deuce868: turns monitoring on for the window |
| 03:25.42 | dwalton59 | loading the card on a IRQ i think |
| 03:25.52 | gearry | ;) |
| 03:26.00 | LoneWlf | deuce868: my man page says that this turns on Monitoring |
| 03:26.04 | dwalton59 | cahnge from 5 to 11 |
| 03:26.20 | LoneWlf | gearry: nay... simply walk thru the process step by step |
| 03:26.25 | dwalton59 | then times out and continues bootup |
| 03:26.37 | gearry | LoneWlf: I think I am |
| 03:26.52 | deuce868 | ldexter: cool thanks. wasn't listed http://www.sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Gnu/screen-3.9.4/html_chapter/screen_3.html#SEC3 |
| 03:26.58 | LoneWlf | gearry: what user are you attempting to execute the mount with on the remote system |
| 03:26.59 | ldexter | deuce868: to find out what monitoring is look under 'monitor' in the man page |
| 03:27.05 | LoneWlf | gearry: root? |
| 03:27.37 | gearry | I am running mount as root on both, yes |
| 03:27.47 | gearry | oh wait, no |
| 03:27.55 | LoneWlf | gearry: and the mount point permissions? |
| 03:27.57 | gearry | on the ubuntu box I use sudo |
| 03:28.04 | gearry | I bet that is it |
| 03:28.12 | LoneWlf | gearry : give it a shot |
| 03:28.34 | gearry | give what a shot? |
| 03:28.43 | LoneWlf | gearry: mounting with sudo on the debian box |
| 03:29.07 | LoneWlf | afk a sec, soda |
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| 03:30.00 | dwalton59 | loanwlf I think it is a shared IRQ issue but I am not sure |
| 03:30.03 | deuce868 | ok, next step is how to setup a default screen to cd into a directory. I'm trying screen -t WebRoot 5 cd /var/www (with no luck) |
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| 03:30.26 | gearry | I don't have sudo set up on the debian workstation |
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| 03:30.53 | abrotman | man screen ? |
| 03:31.12 | kspath | screen 0wnz me |
| 03:31.20 | gearry | ubuntu configged it for me, and I have to admit that I like it, but have not yet figured out how to set up the sudoers file correctly |
| 03:31.44 | deuce868 | abrotman: I have that and I've gotten it working if I just create a screen, name it...but can't get a cd command to work either enclosed in quotes or not. |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | deuce868: tried a backtick ? |
| 03:31.58 | dwalton59 | lonewlf I think I am having a shared IRQ issue but I am not sure how the OS handels IRQs |
| 03:32.09 | silvinho | deuce868: use the -c option to specific a .screenrc with the cd command |
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| 03:32.27 | Boukensya | if I need to reconfigure a program how do I do that when dpkg-reocnfigure doesn't work? |
| 03:32.27 | kspath | dwalton59: FYI moving cards around in slots can have an impact |
| 03:32.28 | deuce868 | silvinho: I am putting this at the end of a .screenrc in my $HOME |
| 03:32.49 | dwalton59 | it is working right now |
| 03:32.55 | dwalton59 | on other OS |
| 03:33.06 | kspath | dwalton59: break it just for fun |
| 03:33.16 | silvinho | deuce868: yeah i've never got it working either |
| 03:33.34 | LoneWlf | ICE CREAM |
| 03:33.38 | LoneWlf | afk for awhile |
| 03:33.39 | kspath | beer |
| 03:33.40 | kspath | bier |
| 03:33.43 | kspath | piwo |
| 03:33.46 | dwalton59 | it is atteched to my motherboard |
| 03:34.01 | kspath | cervesa ? spelling |
| 03:34.11 | FourierSeries | dwalton59: have a look at /proc/interrupts |
| 03:34.23 | dwalton59 | what is that |
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| 03:34.46 | kspath | dwalton59lspci shows anything interesting about it |
| 03:34.49 | abrotman | LoneWlf: you're a pig .. first soda . then ice cream .. what's next .. a rack of ribs ? |
| 03:34.54 | kspath | dwalton59: lspci shows anything interesting about it |
| 03:34.58 | FourierSeries | it should list what is using what interrupt |
| 03:35.01 | Boukensya | because when I do the dpkg-reconfigure the screen to reconfigure it doesn't come up. I basically want to make the service to stand alone instead of inetd |
| 03:35.06 | bucky | gallon of egg nog |
| 03:35.24 | dwalton59 | i used lipci and it shoew the network card |
| 03:35.26 | FourierSeries | oops. lspci may be more informative in this case. |
| 03:35.42 | kspath | do both |
| 03:35.48 | kspath | get ALL info you can |
| 03:36.14 | kspath | dwalton59: what else does it show? |
| 03:36.24 | kspath | anything that might conflict? |
| 03:36.25 | FourierSeries | dwalton59: also what messages do you get on boot? |
| 03:36.44 | kspath | dmesg? | grep "card" |
| 03:37.00 | dwalton59 | it shows all my cards |
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| 03:37.13 | kspath | dwalton59: and... |
| 03:37.21 | dwalton59 | network card timed out |
| 03:37.50 | kspath | dwalton59: we are giving you hints as to what to try myabe not char or char fixes |
| 03:37.59 | FourierSeries | what driver/module does it say for the card? via-rhine or something? |
| 03:38.08 | aris | anyone use qmail here? |
| 03:38.15 | abrotman | we hope not |
| 03:38.23 | kspath | abrotman: lol |
| 03:38.26 | FourierSeries | "EXIM4!" |
| 03:38.36 | FourierSeries | ( or sendmail ... ) |
| 03:38.36 | dwalton59 | yes it shiow the card |
| 03:38.49 | kspath | aris: qmail while interesting and powerful to those of qmail religious orders is a pain |
| 03:39.31 | kspath | aris: exim4 and postfix both are much simpler to deal with and have more of else the same powers unless you are elite with a particular MTA |
| 03:39.31 | dwalton59 | I got a copy of Gnome live CD and the Card work when I boot up off the CD |
| 03:39.37 | abrotman | aris: anyways .. why ? |
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| 03:40.09 | aris | abrotman, how can i do email copy |
| 03:40.12 | JRWR | i lost the config screen for install how do i get it back |
| 03:40.23 | abrotman | how do you do what ? |
| 03:40.33 | kspath | dwalton59: determine what is is using each slot and irq in live cd that is working and see what is different on intstallation? |
| 03:40.34 | aris | abrotman, i mean when there is an email to user@domain |
| 03:40.35 | abrotman | JRWR: install of what ? |
| 03:40.44 | abrotman | aris: you mean you want a copy ? |
| 03:40.45 | JRWR | debian |
| 03:40.49 | aris | abrotman, i want another copy to user2@domain |
| 03:41.02 | abrotman | aris: oh .. you can do that with .forward stuff if you want |
| 03:41.08 | JRWR | where you pick what system you whant |
| 03:41.13 | abrotman | tasksel ? |
| 03:41.21 | lunitik | JRWR: umm... there is no config screen for the installer... |
| 03:41.22 | kspath | aris: is there not an easier way to spy or archive copies? |
| 03:41.33 | aris | abrotman, but i want user@domain & user2@domain to have the email |
| 03:41.36 | tsume | Ruby powa on linux :) |
| 03:41.46 | abrotman | aris: i understand that .. .forward can do that |
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| 03:41.52 | dwalton59 | back to my original question I think I have a IRQ shering Problem ANd I need to know hoe devian handels IRQ |
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| 03:41.57 | aris | kspath, yeah something like that --- archives |
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| 03:42.01 | kspath | aris: or is it for a group of people that share same workload? |
| 03:42.30 | aris | kspath, yeah thats it |
| 03:42.30 | kspath | there is a way to forward and get a copy fergit the syntax |
| 03:42.30 | vasundhar | Hi Friends can some one tell me the way to get software from sf.net using cvs please |
| 03:42.38 | syl-2 | hi there, hm, i just installed apache2 and i may search, i don't find any webpage or doc that says: To setup your site, do this and that. |
| 03:43.09 | syl-2 | i'd appreciate a somehow newbie-ed source of info |
| 03:43.12 | kspath | syl-2: there are thousands that say tons of stuff |
| 03:43.31 | abrotman | aris: really .. .forward can do it |
| 03:43.33 | kspath | syl-2: do you want a script to walk you thru it? |
| 03:43.40 | aris | abrotman, im using qmail |
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| 03:43.42 | abrotman | aris: or make an alias .. or use mailinst lists |
| 03:43.48 | aris | with vpopmail |
| 03:43.50 | abrotman | aris: are you telling me qmail can't do .forwards ? |
| 03:43.56 | syl-2 | this could help, i just don't know where to start :/ |
| 03:44.05 | kspath | aris: there was a common option that told forward to keep a copy in all or most MTAs? |
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| 03:45.04 | kspath | it was like /user@domain or some such |
| 03:45.08 | aris | abrotman, im not sure.. bot where will i place the .forward? |
| 03:45.16 | abrotman | aris: your opions are .forward, alias, mailing list |
| 03:45.25 | abrotman | aris: in user1's $HOME |
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| 03:45.57 | abrotman | aris: it's something like 'user2@domain, >> .mail/mbox` .. or something like that .. but you MUST double check that |
| 03:46.04 | kspath | a hard link to other mailbox would do it also but that isnt a copy and isnt susceptible to impact on other mailbox |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | kspath: and when user1 downloads the mail ? |
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| 03:46.35 | aris | .forward is not working |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | is not working why ? |
| 03:46.46 | abrotman | what did you put in there ? |
| 03:46.50 | aris | nothing happens |
| 03:46.59 | kspath | aris: google qmail and forward ? |
| 03:46.59 | aris | inside the virtual home dir |
| 03:47.18 | kspath | maybe kick the daemon? |
| 03:47.18 | gearry | LoneWlf: still here? I tried a sep line, no dice, I got sudo set up on my debian box, still no dice |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | aris: did you try asking #qmail ? |
| 03:47.33 | gearry | anybody know how I can get nfs to give more verbose errors? |
| 03:47.46 | abrotman | and i know .forward can do that .. if qmail can't handle .forwards . i wouldn't exactly be surprised |
| 03:47.46 | gearry | well, really mountd |
| 03:47.56 | kspath | aris: your question is good and interesting but it is qmail specific rather than debian |
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| 03:48.40 | llama32 | i want to use the debian testing apt repository, what line should be in sources.list for it? |
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| 03:48.57 | abrotman | n some cases, you may want to keep a copy of incoming mail on one account and forward a copy to another machine. |
| 03:48.57 | abrotman | To do that, create a .forward that looks like: |
| 03:48.57 | abrotman | studentab, studenta@onid.orst.edu |
| 03:48.57 | caphuso | abrotman: qmail handles .forward files like anything else... it let's the user search for the appropriate patch or add-on script |
| 03:49.07 | abrotman | caphuso: hehe ... |
| 03:49.29 | caphuso | in this case it's named "dot-forward", IIRC |
| 03:49.35 | abrotman | qmail really is a pile of doodie |
| 03:49.37 | kspath | there was a / in front of the first user I think in some MTAs? |
| 03:49.50 | kspath | abrotman: lol |
| 03:49.58 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You made a swear!! |
| 03:50.03 | abrotman | i did!? |
| 03:50.08 | abrotman | doodie ? |
| 03:50.15 | abrotman | doh .. i did it again! |
| 03:50.20 | kspath | abrotman: I agree that qmail is a pain to build but doodie is pretty strong |
| 03:50.23 | FourierSeries | Oh! Such language! |
| 03:50.23 | Guerin | abrotman: you poopie head |
| 03:50.25 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: NO!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:50.34 | bucky | postfix is IBM's gift to us |
| 03:50.41 | abrotman | kspath: i actually thought it was pretty easy on qmail .. |
| 03:50.42 | Guerin | kspath: um ... it's easy to build - it's incredibly hard to make uncrap |
| 03:50.50 | abrotman | bucky: damn right |
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| 03:51.03 | kspath | postfix while not perfect is quite good |
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| 03:51.08 | Tortel | great |
| 03:51.20 | bucky | and exim4 is under rated |
| 03:51.28 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: but i didn't write qmail |
| 03:51.35 | Tortel | internet doesnt work on debian, and the upgrade didnt work |
| 03:51.39 | sstchur | Does anyone know how I can uninstall the HelixPlayer or the RealPlayer after I installed it via the install script (not using apt-get) ? |
| 03:51.41 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
| 03:51.50 | Tortel | im on my windows partition |
| 03:51.53 | kspath | exim4 might be underrated but I like a site which uses a combo of sendmail and postfix to process mail so much power |
| 03:51.55 | Tortel | I do have acess to my debian tho... |
| 03:51.59 | Guerin | sstchur: delete the files |
| 03:52.06 | aris | abrotman, tnx ill that what u suggest |
| 03:52.18 | abrotman | aris: did you try asking #qmail ? |
| 03:52.20 | Tortel | !u |
| 03:52.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:52.23 | bucky | exim4 does virtual domains |
| 03:52.23 | Tortel | !thx |
| 03:52.23 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 03:52.39 | Tortel | gah, im pissed |
| 03:52.41 | abrotman | Tortel: that wasa tnx |
| 03:52.45 | kspath | exim4 can not really do anything that any other MTA can |
| 03:52.48 | Anthro | Okay, I need to force my machine never to go to sleep for any reason. This was fine until I put acpi=off in my yaboot append (which is a test to avoid some disk corruption problems). What do I do to tell it not to sleep, ever. |
| 03:52.48 | Anthro | ? |
| 03:52.56 | sstchur | Guerin: it's that simple? What about symlinks or whatever that may have been created? |
| 03:52.56 | Guerin | kspath: um ... is that right. |
| 03:53.00 | Guerin | kspath: such as... |
| 03:53.00 | aris | abrotman, no one is answering there |
| 03:53.10 | abrotman | aris: oh ok |
| 03:53.13 | Guerin | sstchur: if the install script created them, it's eviller than I thought |
| 03:53.28 | sstchur | Guerin, is that basically the general rule with Linux? Since there is no registry, you just delete the files and you're done? |
| 03:53.30 | Tortel | ok, well I am in serious need for help, my ethernet driver doesnt load, and the upgrade to etch failed becuase of it... |
| 03:53.31 | kspath | Guerin: I am saying most others can do the same things if only with different methods/names |
| 03:53.36 | FourierSeries | ps -aux | grep apmd | kill apmd |
| 03:53.38 | Tortel | and i hate mirc |
| 03:53.39 | sstchur | Guerin, I'm trying to avoid leaving "debris" all over my system |
| 03:53.47 | abrotman | Tortel: xchat has win32 builds |
| 03:53.49 | kspath | Guerin: not saying exim4 is not good |
| 03:54.02 | abrotman | Tortel: we need a bit more info |
| 03:54.02 | Guerin | kspath: ok. So you're effectively not saying anything, then. |
| 03:54.03 | Tortel | well, i just booted to windows |
| 03:54.08 | kspath | Guerin: just saying it isnt better than all others by far |
| 03:54.12 | Tortel | hold on |
| 03:54.23 | kspath | Guerin: pretty much yeah lol |
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| 03:54.28 | aris | i got debian 3 on my desktop |
| 03:54.36 | aris | i install flash plugins |
| 03:54.43 | aris | but the sound is distorted |
| 03:54.46 | deadcat | cupsys is only listening to localhost:631, what do i have to do to make it listen to the LAN? |
| 03:54.46 | abrotman | qmail needs flash now ? |
| 03:54.49 | Guerin | aris: that's flash for ya |
| 03:55.08 | caphuso | Guerin: you probably shouldn't worry about someone who thinks a combination of two MTAs is a good idea |
| 03:55.09 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Didn't you get the memo? |
| 03:55.21 | Guerin | caphuso: right. |
| 03:55.30 | wau | abrotman: thank you for your help. I still cant see shit, but I think I've had enough for the night. |
| 03:55.30 | FourierSeries | anthro: kill the power management daemon - something like -> ps -aux | grep apmd | kill apmd |
| 03:55.30 | Guerin | caphuso: like those postfix + exchange freaks |
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| 03:55.41 | Anthro | FourierSeries: Was that directed at me? apmd isn't installed. |
| 03:55.45 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: must have been in with the thursday junk flyers |
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| 03:55.59 | kspath | Guerin: I swear half your sigs remind me of #unix 4-7 years ago |
| 03:55.59 | vasundhar | Hi My perl doc is showing the following : in some places where I expect 's <E2><80><99> / <E2><94><82> etc ... is there a way to solve this problem ? how will I get them rectified ? |
| 03:56.01 | deadcat | FourierSeries: you sure that cmd works? |
| 03:56.02 | caphuso | Guerin: well, postfix + exchange isn't a combination of two MTAs. it's one MTA plus an abomination :) |
| 03:56.10 | JRWR | ok i used tasksel now where are my qpopper/postfix config files |
| 03:56.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:56.14 | wau | I'll try some more tommorrow |
| 03:56.15 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: If you would do your TPS reports we wouldn't have these problems. |
| 03:56.23 | Guerin | caphuso: same could be said of postfix and qmail |
| 03:56.27 | wau | of course it'll be something simple and stupid |
| 03:56.27 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i did TP reports |
| 03:56.31 | kspath | abomination is WAY too kind |
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| 03:56.34 | FourierSeries | anthro: not that exact command - although /etc/init.d/apmd stop should |
| 03:56.37 | abrotman | wau: uhm .. ok |
| 03:56.38 | Tortel | back |
| 03:56.50 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I thought you said you didn't write qmail. |
| 03:56.50 | kspath | exchange is an insult to all MTAs everywhere |
| 03:56.58 | Anthro | FourierSeries: I repeat, apmd is not installed. |
| 03:57.03 | Tortel | ok, well after tring to set up etch, it encountered errors with udev and hotplug |
| 03:57.07 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: TP .. qmail es caca |
| 03:57.13 | JRWR | also how do i setup vusers |
| 03:57.14 | Guerin | kspath: sigs? |
| 03:57.17 | Tortel | i tried to install hotplug, but my etherent died |
| 03:57.18 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
| 03:57.21 | FourierSeries | anthro: does your bios have any power settinges? |
| 03:57.22 | Guerin | kspath: take off every ... ? |
| 03:57.26 | scarynetworkguy | Is caca a swear? |
| 03:57.29 | wau | best |
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| 03:57.32 | JRWR | (users who dont have a shell access just a mail account) |
| 03:57.35 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: yes .. very much so |
| 03:57.38 | Anthro | FourierSeries: It's a PPC. No BIOS. |
| 03:57.51 | JRWR | PPC have BIOSes |
| 03:57.56 | FourierSeries | anthro: hmmm .. Ok ... |
| 03:57.57 | deadcat | Anthro: openfirmware |
| 03:57.59 | kspath | Guerin: sigs refering to others not just you sorry a little intoxicated here |
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| 03:58.16 | Tortel | now gnome doesnt work becuase of xorg that isnt set up, and I cant set it up because of udev and hotplug |
| 03:58.25 | deadcat | Anthro: do you have dbus running? |
| 03:58.38 | Anthro | deadcat: Looks like it, yes. |
| 03:58.45 | kspath | Guerin: I normally do not drink but I visited someone that does and I am a social drinker |
| 03:58.48 | Tortel | but now that im in windows, ill take advantage of my BF2 game I won... |
| 03:59.12 | deadcat | Anthro: if you dont want it to sleep. install pbbuttonsd and powerpref to config it. |
| 03:59.26 | Guerin | kspath: is that supposed to explain your love of qmail? |
| 03:59.38 | kspath | Guerin: I do not love qmail |
| 03:59.49 | abrotman | kspath: when will you be drunk enough to pass out ? |
| 03:59.52 | Anthro | deadcat: pbbuttonsd isn't just for powerbooks/ibooks? |
| 03:59.57 | Guerin | kspath: well, saying that doody was too strong was pretty funny |
| 04:00.01 | kspath | Guerin: I do not hate it more like a slight fear of it |
| 04:00.05 | deadcat | Anthro: i doubt it. |
| 04:00.43 | kspath | abrotman: I am far from falling down or passing out but if I am annoying rather than amusing I can shut up |
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| 04:00.58 | abrotman | kspath: i thought we were amusing to you |
| 04:01.37 | kspath | this channel is better than comedy central as I have said numerous times recently grep your history/archives |
| 04:01.50 | Anthro | deadcat: pbbuttonsd won't run because /dev/pmu doesn't exist. |
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| 04:02.00 | Anthro | deadcat: And MAKEDEV doesn't know how to make it. |
| 04:02.11 | kspath | even when no one is working blue this channel is mostly informative and amusing at the same time |
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| 04:02.45 | llama32 | anyone? what is the line in sources.list for the testing repository? do i just use that (and an apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever) to upgrade from an older version of debian (DeMuDi really, please dont hiss at me)? |
| 04:03.08 | lunitik | kspath: I don't know about all that... I was watching a stand up performance on there earlier... was pretty funny |
| 04:03.20 | Guerin | llama32: /msg dpkg nondeb demudi |
| 04:03.30 | llama32 | thanks Geurin |
| 04:03.36 | lunitik | llama32: substitute 'woody' or 'stable' for 'testing' :/ |
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| 04:03.49 | dvs | lunitik: that's too hard |
| 04:03.55 | kspath | lunitik: averages |
| 04:03.58 | llama32 | lunitik: but it isnt woody/stable, it is demudi |
| 04:04.13 | llama32 | Geurin: #demudi is empty |
| 04:04.14 | lunitik | ummm... wth is demudi? |
| 04:04.14 | kspath | lunitik: I have seen ALL old stand ups dozens of times |
| 04:04.17 | JRWR | using tasksel i installed the mailing pkg how do i set it up users just for mail no shell |
| 04:04.50 | kspath | what is the obsession with testing so many people have? |
| 04:04.55 | lunitik | !tell JRWR about smart questions |
| 04:05.14 | lunitik | kspath: its non-old |
| 04:05.16 | kspath | I prefer stable stuffs mostly guess I am weak |
| 04:05.26 | llama32 | lunitik: Debian Multimedia Distribution... luckily not quite as deformed as Xandros and such so it shouldnt be that different (not many customized packages) |
| 04:05.27 | lunitik | kspath: but people scare them off of sid... so yeah |
| 04:05.55 | lunitik | llama32: I don't get the point... but ok... doubtful it has packages you can't install from the archives :/ |
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| 04:06.30 | kspath | lunitik: If I had the money for 2-4 personal workstation level machines I would have 1-2 running testing |
| 04:06.40 | kspath | but I am poor |
| 04:06.47 | FourierSeries | JRWR: you could check out "adduser --no-create-home --disabled-password" |
| 04:06.51 | lunitik | kspath: imo, only servers should run stable. |
| 04:07.06 | lunitik | kspath: especially on i386 |
| 04:07.07 | llama32 | lunitik: i dont have real debian CDs, so i installed the DeMuDi i got with a magazine, hoping to use it to upgrade to a modern debian or something vaguely similar to it |
| 04:07.11 | kspath | I guess I like my X running all the time wihtout outages |
| 04:07.38 | FourierSeries | JRWR: you will also need ... oh well. |
| 04:07.43 | lunitik | kspath: I've had sid running without any restarts for over 400 days... |
| 04:07.43 | kspath | lunitik: I can completely understand why some are liking bleeding edge |
| 04:07.51 | takatumi | llama32: can't download and burn one? there's even a 40MB iso |
| 04:07.56 | lunitik | kspath: granted I was running an old kernel, but yeah |
| 04:08.05 | vasundhar | My perl doc is showing the following : in some places where I expect 's <E2><80><99> / <E2><94><82> etc ... is there a way to solve this problem ? how will I get them rectified ? |
| 04:08.30 | llama32 | takatumi: wow, good point... i had a look but concluded with a "meh" |
| 04:08.41 | kspath | lunitik: the people that I member running testing that were obsessed with latest were always building latest kernels and whining |
| 04:08.45 | takatumi | vasundhar: tried #perl? |
| 04:09.41 | lunitik | kspath: well yes... because most people that have a clue run sid, or stable... testing didn't even used to get security updates... so it was like the worst of all worlds :/ |
| 04:10.08 | takatumi | and you don't *need* to build kernels. |
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| 04:10.17 | Anthro | What is the yealink module and why would I care? |
| 04:10.30 | kspath | my fav thing was some people were always leaving land mine kernels they built and waited to test but when the machine went down for another reason it would not come back up most often on Sunday morning at 2-4 am |
| 04:10.35 | lunitik | Anthro: ask google |
| 04:10.36 | takatumi | Anthro: modinfo? |
| 04:10.52 | Anthro | takatumi: It says it's some kind of phone driver. This seems useless to me. |
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| 04:11.11 | lunitik | Anthro: cool... then don't use it? |
| 04:11.43 | Anthro | lunitik: Either hotplug or discover loaded it. I was wondering why. |
| 04:11.59 | lunitik | Anthro: ouch @ old kernel |
| 04:12.12 | lunitik | Anthro: udev replaces hotplug and discover |
| 04:12.33 | lunitik | Anthro: you can blacklist it though if its that annoying? |
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| 04:13.38 | kspath | sorry about my flashback about land mine kernels I am old and tired |
| 04:13.55 | Anthro | lunitik: I'm running 2.6.14, I just never got rid of hotplug and discover. |
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| 04:14.29 | takatumi | kspath: that was a bug in yaird, not very common. |
| 04:14.30 | lunitik | Anthro: 'apt-get install udev' :/ and purge discover1 :/ |
| 04:14.40 | Anthro | lunitik: One of these days... |
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| 04:15.22 | debian_newbie88 | hello all |
| 04:16.00 | lunitik | !hi debian_newbie88 |
| 04:16.12 | lunitik | stupid bot |
| 04:16.20 | lunitik | ~hi debian_newbie88 |
| 04:16.22 | apt | Many greetings, debian_newbie88, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 04:16.28 | debian_newbie88 | hi lunitik |
| 04:16.31 | lunitik | ~botsnack |
| 04:16.31 | apt | lunitik: :) |
| 04:17.37 | debian_newbie88 | If I want change size swap partition on debian , what I can do it? |
| 04:17.46 | takatumi | fooz: I've used it for the past year and half without hithches, it works. |
| 04:17.51 | abrotman | debian_newbie88: make more of it |
| 04:18.06 | lunitik | debian_newbie88: man mkswap :/ |
| 04:18.10 | Boukensya | Hey guys, I installed pureftpd and it is not working.. it won't allow any logins even though the users are there |
| 04:18.11 | debian_newbie88 | ok |
| 04:18.27 | Boukensya | its running via inetd |
| 04:18.33 | Tortel | ok, seriouisly, what could cause a failure to start up eth0? |
| 04:18.40 | Boukensya | I did an nmap on the machine and the ftp port is open |
| 04:18.43 | FourierSeries | debian_new: not so easy ... without trashing the filesystem if it is alreay set up... |
| 04:18.46 | Tortel | i was upgrading to etch, and it failed |
| 04:18.56 | takatumi | Tortel: is the module loaded? |
| 04:18.59 | lunitik | Boukensya: /etc/init.d/xinetd restart ? |
| 04:19.02 | kspath | boukensya: does it use pam? does pam know? firewall blocking? logs show anything ? |
| 04:19.04 | Tortel | umm, not sure |
| 04:19.13 | Tortel | any way to check without booting it? |
| 04:19.21 | takatumi | Tortel: lsmod |
| 04:19.39 | Tortel | or having acess to the command line? |
| 04:19.40 | lunitik | Tortel: ifup eth0 as root gives errors? |
| 04:19.56 | takatumi | Tortel: why no CLI? |
| 04:19.58 | kspath | Boukensya: tcp wrappers set up? pureftp added to tcp wrappers? |
| 04:20.02 | Tortel | hold on, where is the system log stored? |
| 04:20.11 | abrotman | !logs |
| 04:20.11 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 04:20.19 | sussudio | !badgers |
| 04:20.19 | dpkg | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
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| 04:20.43 | mae | what is bind8's equivalent of 'rndc reload' |
| 04:21.18 | lunitik | mae: maintainers of bind say not to use bind8... |
| 04:21.31 | sussudio | :-| |
| 04:21.35 | Tortel | exporting logs to my windows partition... |
| 04:21.38 | kspath | mae: kill -HUP named? |
| 04:21.44 | sussudio | it was a hamster and i was fixing its squeeky wheel. |
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| 04:22.04 | takatumi | !qotd93 |
| 04:22.04 | dpkg | well, qotd93 is <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
| 04:22.15 | takatumi | ah, close. |
| 04:22.46 | mae | lunitik: is the zone syntax equivalent? |
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| 04:23.16 | lunitik | mae: I know nothing about bind8... because their site says not to.... |
| 04:23.23 | Tortel | ok, what would a bootup log be called? |
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| 04:23.28 | foampeace | hello |
| 04:23.37 | FourierSeries | boot.log? |
| 04:23.43 | mae | lunitik: its default for deb stable |
| 04:23.48 | takatumi | Tortel: bootlogs ain't configured by default, check dmesg instead |
| 04:23.48 | mae | lunitik: blame debian :) |
| 04:24.04 | lunitik | mae: http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/ <-- right on the side of the page :/ |
| 04:24.06 | foampeace | is there a window manager similar to the latest mac os |
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| 04:24.19 | FourierSeries | /var/log/messages should have almost everything |
| 04:24.22 | dondelelcaro | kspath: what about it? |
| 04:24.22 | lunitik | mae: you installed "bind" not "bind9" :/ |
| 04:24.25 | mae | lunitik: thats for forwarding |
| 04:24.40 | FourierSeries | "FVWM!" |
| 04:24.41 | kspath | dondelcaro: I am just being silly sorry |
| 04:24.56 | Tortel | damnit, anyone know a text editor like gedit for windows besides wordpad/notepad? |
| 04:25.14 | Tortel | aha |
| 04:25.17 | Tortel | word works |
| 04:25.31 | foampeace | FourierSeries: fvwm |
| 04:25.35 | foampeace | ? |
| 04:25.45 | FourierSeries | nano? emacs? um ... (shuffles thru his editors ...) |
| 04:25.56 | deuce868 | Tortel: editplus is ok |
| 04:25.58 | lunitik | foampeace: an old school, crap imo, window manager |
| 04:26.01 | kspath | Tortel: gvim for windows? |
| 04:26.16 | FourierSeries | foampeace: ie I have not a clue ;-) |
| 04:26.18 | foampeace | why is there no macosx rippoff |
| 04:26.22 | Tortel | i just need something that puts everything on the right lines... |
| 04:26.25 | deuce868 | gvim++ |
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| 04:26.40 | kspath | deuce868: YEAH! editplus I used to use that way back good for a windows app I even paid the fee |
| 04:26.48 | FourierSeries | "GVIM++!" |
| 04:26.51 | lunitik | foampeace: you can make KDE look almost exactly like OS X... you can make GNOME look like it too... |
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| 04:27.12 | lunitik | foampeace: although KDE gets closer, even with the application menu in panel thing... |
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| 04:27.35 | foampeace | lunitik: kde looks ugly |
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| 04:27.48 | lunitik | foampeace: kde looks like anything you can want it to... |
| 04:27.55 | foampeace | ok |
| 04:27.59 | foampeace | your right |
| 04:28.02 | kspath | Tortel: you mean something that does not do wrapping by default? |
| 04:28.06 | foampeace | ill install that |
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| 04:28.20 | Tortel | nvm, word works |
| 04:28.27 | lunitik | foampeace: saying "kde is ugly" is like saying "a peice of string is long" :/ |
| 04:28.48 | lunitik | Although by default, it kinda is :$ |
| 04:29.07 | lunitik | No one uses default KDE though, because its too fun to configure. |
| 04:29.25 | llama32 | foampeace: GNUstep (however the capitalisation is meant to be) is similar to OSX in internals but more like win95 in terms of looks |
| 04:30.08 | kspath | I like gnome with openbox3 which I guess makes me odd |
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| 04:30.22 | lunitik | FourierSeries: links? |
| 04:30.38 | kspath | or even just plain openbox3 sometimes |
| 04:30.48 | tuv | speaking of desktop env.s, anyone using enlightenment? |
| 04:31.01 | pabs3 | anyone know of a console tool that can interactively browse frozen messages in the exim4 queue and delete some? |
| 04:31.01 | FourierSeries | lunitik: i prefer lynx over links ... |
| 04:31.09 | lunitik | FourierSeries: cool? |
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| 04:31.22 | pabs3 | FourierSeries: why? |
| 04:31.23 | lunitik | FourierSeries: links to kvm... |
| 04:31.30 | LoneWlf | back |
| 04:31.37 | eigenlambda | how do i use a usb dvd burner in debian? |
| 04:31.39 | LoneWlf | w ice cream |
| 04:31.44 | tuv | lunitik: links2 supports javascripts, lynx does not |
| 04:31.46 | eigenlambda | wheres the device node anyway? |
| 04:31.47 | lunitik | eigenlambda: with a great deal of luck? |
| 04:31.50 | FourierSeries | lunitik: general impression from IRC channels. I am aware of the religous wars ... |
| 04:31.55 | lunitik | tuv: I don't care |
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| 04:32.18 | lunitik | FourierSeries: I just wanted a link to a kvm site, for details... damnit :| |
| 04:32.21 | tuv | aigenlambda: just plug it in |
| 04:32.27 | eigenlambda | lunitik: ya ya |
| 04:32.34 | FourierSeries | lunitik: i did read something about a linux developer ( Linus himself? ) reccomeding kvm |
| 04:32.35 | tuv | aigenlambda: usually it is /dev/scd0 |
| 04:32.51 | kspath | I am odd becuase I prefer to install lynx and links |
| 04:33.00 | lunitik | FourierSeries: blah... kde, kwin... these are acceptable... kvm is NOTHING |
| 04:33.28 | LoneWlf | KDE |
| 04:33.49 | Tortel | i cant find the errors in any logs... |
| 04:33.54 | lunitik | FourierSeries: and yes... Linus did start a flamewar where he said he recommends KDE... who cares, he's not a desktop developer... he should have stfu on the subject. |
| 04:34.02 | LoneWlf | What errors? |
| 04:34.05 | A3K | going in the morning to take a load of clothes, toys and misc stuff to the Southern Mississippi gulf coast |
| 04:34.06 | Tortel | gah, ill boot back into debian |
| 04:34.09 | Tortel | brb |
| 04:34.26 | LoneWlf | ok |
| 04:34.35 | FourierSeries | oh wait a min! i do mean KDE not kvm. I do have some switches lying about tho; |
| 04:34.39 | Tortel | have to do windows updates first... |
| 04:34.48 | Tortel | blahblahblah |
| 04:35.03 | LoneWlf | lol |
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| 04:35.28 | A3K | wrong tab :) |
| 04:35.40 | LoneWlf | wb |
| 04:36.17 | FourierSeries | out of curiosity what is debian reccomend or default to these days? KDE/Gnome? |
| 04:36.39 | LoneWlf | KDE.... |
| 04:36.42 | danieldg | When I enable translucency/shadows in KDE, the display updates much slower, even for windows at 100% opaque - is there some way to speed it up? I'm using Xorg+nvidia binary kernel module |
| 04:36.44 | FourierSeries | been a while since I set up a graphics install from debian |
| 04:36.50 | A3K | defaulted to gnome when I installed it. |
| 04:37.07 | A3K | I tried KDE but found that I liked gnome better |
| 04:37.36 | FourierSeries | I've been steadilly upgrading from my original install on this laptop. |
| 04:37.45 | llama32 | i downloaded a .gz, and found that it is corrupt, and it would take a long time to download it again. is there any way to work out what part is corrupt and just download that part (i dont mind screwing around with making a bogus file, "wget -c"-ing it and writing the downloaded section to the real file and crap)? |
| 04:37.56 | LoneWlf | Joel? |
| 04:37.56 | tuv | A3K, me too |
| 04:38.34 | sstchur | How can I list all file that start with say 'abc' including subdirectories? ls -R abc* doesn't seem to work -- that's what I thought the command was |
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| 04:39.02 | A3K | I wanted to like KDE. I really did. |
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| 04:39.28 | llama32 | KDE is faster, easier, more featuresome... |
| 04:39.29 | kspath | llama32: no offense but even though in a pain in the ass theory it could be done it might take longer than just downloading the whole thing again |
| 04:39.31 | tuv | sstchur: try something like ls * | grep abc |
| 04:39.32 | llama32 | esp. faster |
| 04:39.33 | sstchur | anyone like XFCE? |
| 04:39.38 | A3K | But stuff just seemed to work better on gnome. I plug in my cruzer drive and get a nice little icon without having to mess with anything. |
| 04:39.48 | A3K | CD icon when I put a CD in |
| 04:39.59 | lunitik | sslashes: XFce is kinda the middle ground between GNOME and KDE imo... although idk, it gets old imo |
| 04:40.06 | kspath | a3K: nautlius? |
| 04:40.10 | llama32 | kspath: not likely, it took like 24 hours (crappy dialup) :) |
| 04:40.12 | sstchur | tuv, ok that worked. so I could I remove all files that start with abc ? |
| 04:40.16 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how do i set up ssh so that if a user logs in they can only see their home dir? |
| 04:40.39 | kspath | llama32: good luck isolating the failed part of the file |
| 04:40.43 | A3K | kspath: nautilus. All I changed was gnome/kde |
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| 04:40.49 | kspath | rox-filer ROCKZ |
| 04:40.55 | llama32 | indeed |
| 04:41.10 | kspath | I used openbox3 + rox-filer for a long time and loved it |
| 04:41.11 | tuv | sstchur: try something like ls * | grep ^abc |
| 04:41.12 | sstchur | XFCE seemed pretty snappy to me when I used to use Gentoo... Ubuntu installed with Gnome, and I'm really not experienced enough to know how to switch it cleanly |
| 04:41.17 | llama32 | i prefer konqueror, but rox has the better interface imo |
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| 04:42.05 | tuv | sstchur: but this gives the filenames without the path, so rm won't work as is. maybe you need to write a few lines long script |
| 04:42.08 | SerajewelKS | i have "swf" disabled in firefox's plugin list. how come flash movies are still being displayed? |
| 04:42.11 | bucky | sstchur, we don't know how to switch gnome in ubuntu either |
| 04:42.13 | kspath | XFCE is nice |
| 04:42.39 | sstchur | tuv, so there is no way to remove all files that start with 'abc' in the currently directory and subdirectories w/o writing a script? |
| 04:42.44 | kspath | if I did not like blackbox fluxbox openbox so much I like go XFCE |
| 04:42.56 | gokiburi | sslashes: man find |
| 04:43.20 | pabs3 | sstchur: find -iname abc\* | xargs rm -f |
| 04:43.23 | A3K | my hard drive is bad. I am going to have to do a complete reinstall when I replace it soon. |
| 04:43.26 | A3K | I dread that |
| 04:43.34 | A3K | I am finally getting this thing how I want it |
| 04:44.00 | kspath | make a copy of /etc and /home and burn that to 2-3 separate CDs ASAP |
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| 04:44.12 | tuv | sstchur: for file in `find ./ -name abc*`; do rm $file; done |
| 04:44.23 | tuv | sstchur: that kind of script |
| 04:44.43 | pabs3 | tuv: that will have problems for files with spaces in their names |
| 04:44.46 | llama32 | if someone merged XFCE and rox into a consistent desktop (ie, settings for XFCE through rox as a virtual directory, or rox settings through XFCE settings manager, consistent icons, adding rox's panel functionality to the XFCE panel, etc.) it would be a very nice DE |
| 04:44.46 | Boukensya | hey guys, I am trying to make a script that will do this: pure-pw useradd usersinput -u ftpuser -d /home/ftpusers/usersinput (where users input is the same exact thing in both areas-- is this easy?) |
| 04:44.47 | kspath | sstchur: be VERY vERY VERY VERY careful with rm there is NO undo |
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| 04:45.36 | tuv | pabs3: right, but you can redefine IFS env. var. to neglect a space as a separator |
| 04:45.41 | sstchur | kspath, I thought -R meant recursive, so why can't you do rm -R whatever* ? |
| 04:45.44 | silvinho | Boukensya: yeah google 'bash scripting' and read the advanced bashed scripting guide |
| 04:45.46 | b14ck | How can I change my system time? Is there an easy way to change the timezone or something like that? |
| 04:45.48 | FourierSeries | eek! |
| 04:45.50 | A3K | kspath, the biggest problem I will have is redoing my gfx configs and getting my wireless pcmcia card working again. Those 2 things were a pain |
| 04:45.51 | silvinho | sstchur: rm -rf |
| 04:45.52 | SerajewelKS | firefox is starting to piss me off |
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| 04:46.25 | Boukensya | silvinho, yeah /: I don't have that much time though to learn it right now.. |
| 04:46.31 | SimonRaven | -print0 |
| 04:46.46 | kspath | A3K: there is almost always something like that always good to document the odd ones and archive that |
| 04:46.54 | silvinho | Boukensya: not much to learn, $1 is the first arguement to a script |
| 04:47.05 | b14ck | I live in Los Angeles, California (USA). Is there a way to make my time line up with where I live? |
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| 04:47.12 | Boukensya | but then I have to worry about making an "input" selection |
| 04:47.13 | b14ck | It is way off right now. |
| 04:47.13 | silvinho | one of the examples will do what you want |
| 04:47.14 | SerajewelKS | how can i disable flash in firefox? |
| 04:47.15 | llama32 | SerajewelKS: if its only starting to, you're lucky... Opera and konq are much nicer (at expense of a little compatibility) |
| 04:47.21 | tuv | sstchur: i usually try ls instead of rm in any script before i go with the rm |
| 04:47.22 | A3K | maybe if I print out my gfxcfg and config4 files |
| 04:47.27 | A3K | that will help |
| 04:47.31 | sstchur | tuv, why's that? |
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| 04:47.44 | SerajewelKS | llama32: i've found myself using mozilla quite a bit =/ |
| 04:47.59 | llama32 | :o |
| 04:48.01 | tuv | sstchur: to make sure rm will get the correct files and avoid rm'ing something i don't want rm'ed |
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| 04:48.11 | sstchur | tuv, makes sense... |
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| 04:48.24 | SerajewelKS | llama32: it's bigger and bulkier, but doesn't give the impression that it's about to topple over. and pages actually load *faster* in it. |
| 04:48.27 | llama32 | mozilla = evil, more evil than the ever so evil ie... sooooo slow, so ugly, so... mozilla... |
| 04:48.29 | kingsley | Does a tool exist which can render in a spiral shape? |
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| 04:48.47 | kspath | A3K: maybe make a special /home/A3K/important-configs dir and file it with copies of all of those and include it your archives/backups |
| 04:48.47 | lunitik | llama32: I find Konqi to be very unusable (literally, at times it refuses to load ANY sites) |
| 04:48.58 | FourierSeries | sstchur: you might want to "mv" the files instead to a tmp directory & then rm them. |
| 04:49.21 | bucky | !start a browser war |
| 04:49.21 | dpkg | IE crashes less than Konqueror! |
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| 04:49.33 | FourierSeries | it does? |
| 04:49.46 | bucky | dpkg says so |
| 04:49.50 | Boukensya | silvinho, is it an easy sort of one liner code? |
| 04:49.52 | FourierSeries | bah |
| 04:49.59 | SerajewelKS | llama32: mozilla is faster than firefox on this end |
| 04:50.09 | b14ck | firefox is pretty fast. |
| 04:50.12 | sstchur | dpkg, as a web developer for Microsoft, I can say personally though... IE sucks at supporting standards -- drives me crazy! |
| 04:50.19 | b14ck | It's just a lighter version of mozilla. |
| 04:50.28 | bucky | !moron sstchur |
| 04:50.28 | dpkg | sstchur: You are moron #71 |
| 04:50.32 | eigenlambda | firefox is disappointingly slow |
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| 04:50.46 | sstchur | dpkg, why am i such a moron? |
| 04:50.52 | SerajewelKS | 1.5 had better improve stability, or i'm afraid i'll ditch it completely |
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| 04:51.04 | tuv | firefox is maybe slow to startup, but then it is fast enough |
| 04:51.18 | llama32 | SerajewelKS: fast in what sense? i always found the interface a bit cludgy to use, not responding to clicks as fast and such |
| 04:51.19 | SerajewelKS | tuv: use my system for a while and then tell me that |
| 04:51.35 | bucky | llama32, it's better than lynx |
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| 04:51.40 | tuv | SerajewelKS: why are you blaming firefox for your system |
| 04:52.03 | mtnman | serajewelks: i'm sure the firfox developers are very worried that about your ulitmatum. |
| 04:52.05 | A3K | kspath not a bad idea |
| 04:52.12 | A3K | I can save it on my cruzer drive |
| 04:52.13 | SerajewelKS | tuv: i'm not. i upgraded firefox from 1.0.5 to 1.0.7 and overnight it starts lagging and crashing several times an hour. and that's my system's fault? |
| 04:52.15 | llama32 | i hate how mozilla/firefox cant use native buttons and crap in web pages... what is with that? like uses win95-like widgets on the actual web pages, but nicer looking ones for the interface |
| 04:52.24 | SerajewelKS | mtnman: i'm just saying |
| 04:52.36 | mtnman | serajewlks: as was i. |
| 04:52.51 | kspath | A3K: I copies my main doc txt files to my usb drive regularly |
| 04:52.53 | SerajewelKS | mtnman: at least i can spell people's nicknames |
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| 04:52.58 | r0tu | how do I clear my apt-get? I'm getting installation errors... and -f isn't working |
| 04:53.02 | tuv | SerajewelKS: then go back to 1.0.5 |
| 04:53.12 | mtnman | serajewelks: ooh that hurt. |
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| 04:53.21 | SerajewelKS | tuv: so it is firefox's fault then |
| 04:53.47 | r0tu | SerajewelKS: are you sure your not just hitting TAB?! |
| 04:53.48 | tuv | SerajewelKS: it's the combination of your system and firefox 1.0.7 |
| 04:54.13 | mtnman | serajewelks: realize that free software is a gift. you are free to choose to use it or not. complaining will get you nowhere. |
| 04:54.18 | SerajewelKS | r0tu: indeed i am. and i hit TAB with the best of them. |
| 04:54.25 | r0tu | :) |
| 04:55.01 | SerajewelKS | mtnman: perhaps you can explain how one of the best browsers around has gotten so unstable and bloated after seven revisions |
| 04:55.35 | mtnman | serajewelks: if you refer to firefox, it is extremely stable on my machines. |
| 04:55.49 | r0tu | SerajewelKS: May I point out that through learning the backend of firefox you can optomize it like mad... to your liking |
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| 04:57.51 | r0tu | does anyone here know how to clear out my apt-get... it's giving me hell.. I tried -f and clean |
| 04:57.57 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 04:57.57 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 04:58.03 | dondelelcaro | r0tu: follow the instructions above. |
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| 04:58.48 | Tortel | found the eth0 error, it says that it cant be found |
| 04:58.56 | Tortel | probably due to the lack of hotplug |
| 04:59.38 | mtnman | hi don |
| 04:59.41 | litage | does debian have an equivalent to redhat's ``service'' script? |
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| 04:59.57 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: sup |
| 05:00.03 | mtnman | litage: dunno what the 'service' script is. what are you trying to do? |
| 05:00.09 | dondelelcaro | litage: what does "service" attempt to do? |
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| 05:00.18 | mtnman | don: they announced the 2006 theme... |
| 05:00.24 | Tortel | where are .debs stored for instalition? |
| 05:00.27 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: nice... |
| 05:00.33 | dondelelcaro | Tortel: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:00.34 | litage | mtnman: trying to unfsck this software that was created for redcrap-based systems |
| 05:00.41 | litage | dondelelcaro: finding out.. |
| 05:00.43 | llama32 | can anyone tell me what to put in sources.list for debian testing, assuming i cant just modify an existing entry? |
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| 05:01.00 | Tortel | yay |
| 05:01.02 | mtnman | litage: not a very good description. you should make it easy for people to help you. |
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| 05:01.22 | turing | hey all, trying to install the backport of postgres 8.0.3 on sarge and it's not working |
| 05:01.33 | litage | llama32: see where it says "stable" or "sarge" in sources.list? copy or edit those entries, replacing "sarge" or "stable" with "testing" |
| 05:01.40 | dondelelcaro | turing: you're going to have to give us a whole lot more information than that... |
| 05:01.40 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: Done |
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| 05:01.49 | mtnman | turing: can you explain what you are doing and how it is failing? |
| 05:01.59 | llama32 | litage: quote, "assuming i cant just modify an existing entry?" |
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| 05:02.10 | r0tu | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1311. |
| 05:02.24 | turing | mtnman: I'm running sarge |
| 05:02.28 | FourierSeries | litage: you may want to check out "/sbin/start-stop-daemon" |
| 05:02.31 | litage | llama32: then copy an existing entry to a new entry |
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| 05:02.37 | turing | and I want to install postgresql 8.0.3 from a package if there is a known good one out there |
| 05:02.45 | turing | the backports copy seems to have broken dependencies |
| 05:02.46 | llama32 | litage: ok, assuming it is empty? |
| 05:02.58 | dondelelcaro | r0tu: apt-get -f -o DPkg::Options::='--force-overwrite' install |
| 05:02.59 | litage | mtnman: i honestly don't know what this ``service'' script does. i've installed a piece of software that was built for redhat-based systems, and one of its scripts is trying to execute ``service'' |
| 05:03.03 | Tortel | whats the mount command so that I can write to the partition? |
| 05:03.31 | litage | llama32: this is what i have for testing: deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ testing non-free contrib |
| 05:03.38 | mtnman | litage: try a google search. |
| 05:03.47 | llama32 | thanks lots litage :) |
| 05:04.01 | llama32 | hey you're australian too :) |
| 05:04.01 | litage | np llama32 |
| 05:04.03 | tuv | litage: without main? |
| 05:04.07 | litage | aye mate |
| 05:04.09 | FourierSeries | litage: I have an old RH box nearby let me look for the service script ... wait one ... |
| 05:04.13 | turing | and I'm wondering if anyone is running 8.0.3 on sarge here |
| 05:04.17 | litage | thanks FourierSeries |
| 05:04.28 | mtnman | turing: well, you can check packages.debian.org. and see which versions are available in testing and unstable. if one is suitable, the backport would be relatively painless. |
| 05:04.30 | litage | tuv: hrmm, never noticed that |
| 05:04.45 | Solet | whats the device name of a 15pin joystick port? |
| 05:05.00 | turing | mtnman: not that painless |
| 05:05.11 | turing | diff versions of glibc |
| 05:05.17 | turing | and other fun problems |
| 05:05.22 | mtnman | turing: you want to argue, or try my suggestion? |
| 05:05.29 | turing | I'd probably compile from source if I were going to do that |
| 05:05.34 | turing | heh, thanks for the help |
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| 05:05.53 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: gives me more errors... many many other packages that can't install (from apt-get upgrade).... fontconfig seems to be the issue.. |
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| 05:06.01 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: this all started when I install fish |
| 05:06.04 | dondelelcaro | r0tu: give the whole output... |
| 05:06.11 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: roger tha |
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| 05:06.40 | deadcat | family guy is hella racist hahah |
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| 05:06.53 | deadcat | cupsys is only listening to localhost:631, what do i have to do to make it listen to the LAN? |
| 05:07.12 | madradrone | cupsd.conf |
| 05:07.18 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:07.47 | litage | FourierSeries: /sbin/service i think |
| 05:08.16 | mtnman | deadcat: i think they're rather like south park in that they rip on everyone. |
| 05:08.34 | Flimzy | Are there any good tools to calculate a modeline for a specific resolution given the monitor's specs? |
| 05:08.35 | FourierSeries | litage: i am pretty sure that the Debian equivilent is "start-stop-daemon" |
| 05:08.46 | Guerin | !service |
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| 05:08.55 | Guerin | !services |
| 05:08.55 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 05:08.58 | FourierSeries | litage: am looking at it now ... |
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| 05:09.15 | Guerin | don't call start-stop-daemon directly unless you know what you're doing |
| 05:09.43 | deadcat | mtnman: ya.. its funny though. that the kid and the dog hates black people hahaha |
| 05:09.47 | takatumi | Guerin: there's bum too. |
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| 05:09.58 | FourierSeries | litage: what is the exact command doing in the script? service ... |
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| 05:10.28 | litage | FourierSeries: still trying to figure that one out |
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| 05:10.52 | matrex | heya |
| 05:10.56 | matrex | whats up |
| 05:11.01 | mtnman | deadcat: ironic, esp, since in one episode, peter (the kid's dad) found out he had a black ancestor. |
| 05:11.01 | FourierSeries | litage: that is to say what does the script say at that line? grep the script for "service" |
| 05:11.23 | deadcat | mtnman: ya. hahahah. sick bastards |
| 05:11.28 | pritisd | hello list |
| 05:12.19 | mtnman | deadcat: and you seem to enjoy the sick bastards' senses of humor... what does that say about you! |
| 05:12.19 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1312. |
| 05:12.19 | deadcat | hahahahah |
| 05:12.20 | deadcat | i am a sick bastard |
| 05:12.32 | pritisd | I've a question regarding creation of LiveCD |
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| 05:12.38 | mtnman | dpkg deadcat is a sick bastard |
| 05:12.39 | dpkg | mtnman: okay |
| 05:12.48 | pritisd | out of knoppix |
| 05:13.05 | llama32 | mmmmm, knoppix |
| 05:13.08 | Solet | whats the path to a 15 pin joystick port thats onboard? does anyone know? |
| 05:13.09 | deadcat | !deadcat |
| 05:13.09 | dpkg | well, deadcat is a sick bastard |
| 05:13.15 | mtnman | pritisd: wrong channel |
| 05:13.22 | Guerin | takatumi: bum? |
| 05:13.30 | llama32 | hehehe, bum |
| 05:13.48 | takatumi | Guerin: BootUpManager, aptitude show bum :) |
| 05:13.48 | Guerin | takatumi: you sould like a kindergartner swearing |
| 05:13.58 | dondelelcaro | r0tu: apt-get --reinstall install util-linux; and then try again. |
| 05:14.00 | Guerin | next you'll be calling me a poopy-head |
| 05:14.01 | takatumi | Guerin: haha no man. |
| 05:14.14 | dondelelcaro | r0tu: and don't use force-overwrite blindly; I gave it to you for just that single run, nothing else. |
| 05:14.16 | hachi_ | I'm looking for a way to set up a cache of common debian packages as I download them, maybe a blind proxy with cache... not sure yet, anyone got any information that doesn't point me at a web site? mozilla-firefox and mozilla-thunderbird are both making glibc complain of memory corruption and I've got 3 more hours till I may have that fixed |
| 05:14.29 | litage | FourierSeries: i can't determine what the script's doing, as it's encrypted =/ |
| 05:14.30 | dondelelcaro | hachi_: apt-proxy et al... |
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| 05:14.33 | madradrone | hachi_: apt-proxy |
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| 05:14.51 | FourierSeries | litage: it's been a while - i remember a similar error when converting over my FW box from RH to debian. basically it is trying to run a RH specific function to start a daemon ( service ) |
| 05:15.00 | hachi_ | thanks! |
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| 05:15.26 | hachi_ | oh, this is freenode... buh |
| 05:15.30 | litage | FourierSeries: i think in my situation, it's trying to determine the status of a service |
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| 05:15.33 | bleaked | if one wants silc support in gaim, do they need to compile it themselves, or is there an easy way via apt? |
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| 05:16.03 | Solet | guerin: you alive and well? |
| 05:16.04 | FourierSeries | litage: i had to cut out some of RH's crap from my firewall starup script. I do not think there is a direct replacement for "/sbin/service" in debian. |
| 05:16.19 | deadcat | how do i get cupsys to listen to my LAN request? currently only localhost:631 |
| 05:16.37 | mtnman | litage: you will probably want to make a new script and get it to run at boot. |
| 05:16.43 | hachi | anyone had firefox and thunderbird just suddenly stop working on their debian box after an upgrade recently? |
| 05:16.47 | litage | FourierSeries: yeah neither do i. i'm going to look through a FC4 /sbin/service and see if i can use it in debian |
| 05:16.48 | FourierSeries | litage: if you can edit the script you can replace the funcionality.. if it is a binary ... hmmm ... |
| 05:17.00 | deadcat | hachi: no 1.5 works fine here. |
| 05:17.01 | litage | FourierSeries: it's an encrypted php script actually |
| 05:17.01 | eigenlambda | what's the usual device node for a usd dvd burner? |
| 05:17.07 | eigenlambda | *usb |
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| 05:17.30 | dondelelcaro | eigenlambda: depends, I'd expect it to show up as /dev/sda or something. Check dmesg. |
| 05:17.34 | FourierSeries | litage: bummer. in this case I do not think I can help then ... |
| 05:17.38 | litage | eigenlambda: have you checked dmesg? it usually tells you after you've attached the device |
| 05:17.48 | litage | FourierSeries: you've been helpful already. thanks bud |
| 05:18.25 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: okay... I normally don't just plug something in, but thanks for the heads up :) Thanks for your help man.. I have at this for an hour or so now |
| 05:19.28 | deadcat | one of these day i am gonna install fedora, suse on my test machine (= |
| 05:19.45 | dondelelcaro | r0tu: anyway, the issue you've got now is because /usr/bin/getopt has gone away for $deity knows what reason. |
| 05:20.03 | dondelelcaro | r0tu: which is why you need to reinstall util-linux. |
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| 05:20.24 | deadcat | FourierSeries: 7.3 here (= |
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| 05:21.02 | Tortel | how can i manually make debian set up eth0 at boot? |
| 05:21.16 | mtnman | tortel: edit /etc/modules or run modconf. |
| 05:21.18 | FourierSeries | deadcat: I took one look at v8 and said the hell with it. Now I'm all Debian & FreeBSD. |
| 05:21.23 | deadcat | Tortel: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:21.29 | caphuso | Tortel: manually? log in as root and use ifconfig... |
| 05:21.31 | aris | Tortel, /etc/network/interfaces then "auto eth0" |
| 05:21.36 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: I knew that.. and assumed fish did something to it.. but am not sure.. it got really messy b/c I tried to install a bunch of stuff from a list of apt-cache search getopt...trying to replace it.. |
| 05:21.49 | FourierSeries | deadcat: er .. and one W2k box ( ZOMG! ) |
| 05:21.58 | Tortel | I cant run any commands.... |
| 05:22.07 | deadcat | FourierSeries: ya. 8 and up dont have wmaker at the time so fuck it. hahah and since debian is a cool name so i switched |
| 05:22.32 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: I was even looking at that util-linux, but didn't know enough to think to re-install that |
| 05:22.52 | FourierSeries | deadcat: I can't complain though - RH 3.0.3 is what got me going into the Linux scene ... |
| 05:23.38 | deadcat | FourierSeries: i started at 7.1 i think. actually 3 month of rh |
| 05:24.45 | deadcat | how do i get cupsys to listen to my LAN request? currently only localhost:631 |
| 05:25.52 | FourierSeries | sigh. I think I'm going to have to bang away on cupsys sometime. I see a lot of help requests for it... |
| 05:25.59 | eigenlambda | litage: thanks! |
| 05:26.07 | eigenlambda | kk the usb cable was in backwards |
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| 05:32.02 | SqueegeeMan | My sound has stopped working. I have checked the mixer levels and they seem fine. Sound apps think they are playing and don't complain, but no sound comes out. Have tried multiple speakers/played with vollume/etc. Any ideas what I should check next? |
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| 05:32.37 | takatumi | SqueegeeMan: unumted? |
| 05:32.44 | SqueegeeMan | checked that :) |
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| 05:33.08 | takatumi | SqueegeeMan: are the modules loaded? checked bts? |
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| 05:33.22 | SqueegeeMan | all mdoules loader. not sure what bts is :) |
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| 05:33.44 | takatumi | SqueegeeMan: bugs.debian.org bug tracking system. |
| 05:33.52 | pritisd | mtnman: plz suggest me where I shd put my querry? |
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| 05:34.04 | SqueegeeMan | ahh |
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| 05:34.11 | SqueegeeMan | will check that out |
| 05:34.19 | takatumi | but against which package? |
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| 05:35.19 | SqueegeeMan | alsa I would asume |
| 05:35.28 | SqueegeeMan | unless you tell me better |
| 05:35.56 | takatumi | SqueegeeMan: alsa-base alsa-utils? |
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| 05:36.29 | SqueegeeMan | hmmm |
| 05:36.44 | thin | stupid question.. how do i determine how much space doing "apt-get install <something>" is gonna take up, including all the dependancies it installs ? |
| 05:36.45 | takatumi | SqueegeeMan: tried running alsaconf again? |
| 05:36.52 | boinkder | I installed Debian from the knoppix 3.8 knoppix-installer and I am having some problems (or nuisances rather) with my ethernet and sound configuration. They work fine if I configure them everytime I reboot. Can anyone help me figure out which file I need to configure for them to work on startup? |
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| 05:37.08 | SqueegeeMan | alsaconf 3 times, no effect |
| 05:37.23 | dondelelcaro | boinkder: it's /etc/network/interfaces; but you haven't actually installed debian if you used the knoppix-installer. |
| 05:37.58 | dondelelcaro | boinkder: consequently, #knoppix is the place to get support. |
| 05:38.04 | boinkder | I am new to linux I am not sure, in the knoppix-installer I selected the debian option so I assumed. |
| 05:38.07 | boinkder | Ok, thanks a bunch |
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| 05:38.45 | thin | how do i determine how much space doing "apt-get install <something>" is gonna take up, including all the dependancies it installs ? |
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| 05:39.36 | mtnman | thin: apt--get -s install foo will simulate |
| 05:40.05 | thin | -s didn't return the amount of space it would take.. |
| 05:40.24 | takatumi | thin: apt-get install foo, should give you DL size and install space before you confirm, or try aptitude |
| 05:40.51 | thin | sometimes apt-get install foo installs foo without asking for confirmation |
| 05:42.09 | caphuso | thin: it does that if no intervention is necessary because the only thing going to happen is exactly what the user specified |
| 05:43.01 | takatumi | ie. no extra packages are needs, so you know how much space that is going to take anyway. :) |
| 05:43.11 | takatumi | s/ds/ded |
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| 05:45.55 | raden | is there a way to share files linux box to linux box without samba ?> |
| 05:46.07 | takatumi | raden: scp |
| 05:46.14 | SqueegeeMan | ftp |
| 05:46.27 | cat | ftp or ssh |
| 05:46.34 | thin | rsync, sftp |
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| 05:46.41 | caphuso | http |
| 05:46.43 | raden | interesting |
| 05:47.05 | raden | but on a permenant network samba would be the only way to have mapped drives soo to speak ? |
| 05:47.05 | cat | is it? |
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| 05:47.18 | takatumi | sshfs? |
| 05:47.22 | SqueegeeMan | nfs |
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| 05:47.52 | deadcat | i cant share my printer vi cups to my lan. what do i do? its only listening to localhost:631 |
| 05:48.00 | raden | basically what im trying to say is there a way with linux to easily share fuiles without samba or is samba the way to go ? |
| 05:48.21 | caphuso | deadcat: read /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 05:48.23 | deadcat | raden: with linux or windows? |
| 05:48.27 | cat | samba will be the way to go, |
| 05:48.31 | deadcat | caphuso: i did. i have the options |
| 05:48.43 | deadcat | caphuso: let me show you the config file. |
| 05:49.05 | deadcat | caphuso: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/cupsd.conf |
| 05:49.16 | raden | deadcat, LINUX TO LINUX |
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| 05:49.40 | deadcat | raden: nfs |
| 05:49.54 | SqueegeeMan | nfs |
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| 05:50.31 | raden | !nfs |
| 05:50.31 | dpkg | hmm... nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 05:50.49 | Flimzy | Is there some way to tell X that I'm not using a 4:3 display? |
| 05:51.05 | raden | yes |
| 05:51.12 | caphuso | deadcat: how about a proper Listen line? |
| 05:51.38 | deadcat | caphuso: Port 631, it fails. |
| 05:52.12 | deadcat | caphuso: under the network option right? |
| 05:52.34 | caphuso | deadcat: 1) "it fails" is about as useless as error messages get and 2) Port != Listen |
| 05:52.52 | raden | ok next Q is there a way to share a printer Linux to linux without samba ? |
| 05:53.03 | SqueegeeMan | raden: I'm doing it right now with Cups |
| 05:53.05 | cat | you can't raden |
| 05:53.19 | cat | cups yeah |
| 05:53.20 | deadcat | caphuso: Listen 631, or Listen Port 631 ? |
| 05:53.50 | caphuso | deadcat: *read* the damn file. there are several examples how you have to use Listen in there |
| 05:54.17 | raden | i get an im doing it and you cant what is it ? |
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| 05:59.08 | tictac | why, when i edit /etc/timezone, `date` still shows the old timezone? |
| 05:59.44 | solemnwarning | im going to install debian on my 486 |
| 05:59.54 | solemnwarning | whats the oldest version of deb thats in binary form? |
| 06:00.12 | tictac | solemnwarning: really old. a woody cd works well. |
| 06:00.17 | deadcat | caphuso: i have this: Listen 10.10.10.0/24:631, no luck |
| 06:00.44 | solemnwarning | where can i get it? |
| 06:00.54 | solemnwarning | i dont see anything older then sarge on dl page now :\ |
| 06:01.13 | tictac | lets see here. |
| 06:01.17 | Guerin | Solet: no. |
| 06:01.44 | Guerin | deadcat: you listen on a port range? |
| 06:01.54 | Guerin | err |
| 06:01.58 | Guerin | a subnet? |
| 06:02.06 | deadcat | Guerin: no. cupsys only listen to localhost. i need my lan to print |
| 06:02.08 | tictac | http://people.debian.org/~blade/ <-- use those NETINST images on the lower right. |
| 06:02.10 | caphuso | deadcat: please, show me the fucking example where it says that a netmask could be used meaningfully |
| 06:02.19 | tictac | kind of a pita, but that image rocks. |
| 06:02.26 | Guerin | deadcat: you never listen on a subnet. You only ever listen on an interface. |
| 06:02.32 | deadcat | caphuso: i tried Listen 631, didnt work, Port 631, didnt work. |
| 06:02.34 | caphuso | Guerin: intriguing idea, isn't it? |
| 06:02.36 | tictac | solemnwarning: http://people.debian.org/~blade/boot-floppies/netinst-full-pre/ |
| 06:02.38 | Guerin | a specific IP address, that is. |
| 06:02.56 | Guerin | caphuso: yeah. Hard to conceive. |
| 06:02.57 | caphuso | deadcat: and show me the equally fucking example where "Listen" can be used with a port number |
| 06:02.58 | deadcat | Guerin: that seems limited |
| 06:03.04 | Guerin | deadcat: you seem stupid |
| 06:03.07 | caphuso | indeed |
| 06:03.10 | deadcat | caphuso: if i know i will show you. |
| 06:03.53 | Guerin | deadcat: think of listening on an interface as putting a sign on your door which says "knock" |
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| 06:04.00 | deadcat | Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited with status 99! |
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| 06:04.23 | Guerin | deadcat: if I hang such a sign on my back door, which is only accessible from within my yard, who can knock on the door? |
| 06:04.40 | deadcat | Guerin: please dont confuse me |
| 06:04.42 | Guerin | deadcat: conversely, if I hang the sign on my front door, on the public street, who can knock? |
| 06:04.50 | Guerin | deadcat: you're confusing yourself |
| 06:04.53 | Guerin | this isn't complicated |
| 06:05.03 | Guerin | a smart five year old could figure it out |
| 06:05.05 | deadcat | Guerin: i just want my lan to print to the printer on my desktop machine |
| 06:05.21 | Guerin | deadcat: just answer the two simple questions in my example |
| 06:05.36 | Guerin | and you'll understand which interface to have cups listen on |
| 06:06.13 | deadcat | Guerin: it doesnt say interface. it only has Port and Listen option. Listen option is only host or ip |
| 06:06.22 | Guerin | deadcat: yes. |
| 06:06.38 | caphuso | deadcat: wrong it's either host or ip or host:port or ip:port |
| 06:06.42 | Guerin | deadcat: you can take ip = interface in my example |
| 06:07.04 | caphuso | and since you have exactly one IP per interface you want it to listen on you need nothing more than that |
| 06:07.12 | konfuzed | hey is there a debian driven mail toaster type setup out there |
| 06:07.26 | deadcat | Guerin: i have Listen IP.HERE, and it fails with the message i posted |
| 06:07.27 | Guerin | konfuzed: you can run netbsd on some toasters |
| 06:07.36 | konfuzed | haha |
| 06:07.40 | Guerin | deadcat: that's not what you had before |
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| 06:08.54 | deadcat | Guerin: there we go. let me bring my printer down and test it out |
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| 06:09.05 | konfuzed | i havent looked into mail server setup yet and so nows the time to figure out what makes the most condusive set of projects to look after a mail server. |
| 06:09.14 | Guerin | deadcat: did you figure out the answers to the questions yet? |
| 06:09.29 | Guerin | konfuzed: what do you need it for? |
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| 06:10.07 | konfuzed | 6 domain names with a dozen mailboxes each and 3 of the domains with newsletters |
| 06:10.11 | deadcat | Guerin: yes. i know the question. and answer. i was jsut angry at why the options wasnt working for me |
| 06:10.23 | Guerin | konfuzed: /msg dpkg postfix tutorial |
| 06:10.33 | konfuzed | so it should filter spam and viruses too I suppose |
| 06:10.35 | Guerin | deadcat: humour me with the answers |
| 06:11.02 | caphuso | deadcat: it didn't work because you completely ignored the examples and invented your own fucked up syntax instead |
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| 06:12.36 | deadcat | caphuso: hahaha. |
| 06:12.41 | deadcat | Guerin: hes right (= |
| 06:12.51 | Guerin | deadcat: you needn't tell ME |
| 06:13.06 | deadcat | let me print something first. |
| 06:13.09 | deadcat | hold |
| 06:13.46 | deadcat | "Destination printer does not exist!" |
| 06:14.06 | konfuzed | Guerin: I like postfix so thats good but id like to find something that reviews a whole setup for the ultimate secure mail server system with webmail and intelligent virus and spam filtering and mail lists |
| 06:14.16 | deadcat | should i select ipp:// or http:// ? |
| 06:14.18 | konfuzed | and such things |
| 06:14.22 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 06:14.38 | Guerin | konfuzed: you didn't actually READ what I told you to, did you? |
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| 06:15.04 | konfuzed | i mean to do the whole setup from the start includes more than postfix on linux |
| 06:15.32 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 06:15.32 | dpkg | hmm... postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 06:15.34 | konfuzed | Guerin: as in read the postfix man pages |
| 06:15.38 | Guerin | no |
| 06:15.40 | Guerin | as in ^ |
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| 06:15.55 | konfuzed | erh tutorial |
| 06:16.35 | konfuzed | k those links are in the right idea |
| 06:16.38 | konfuzed | back in 5 |
| 06:16.49 | deadcat | should i select ipp:// or http:// from my laptop? |
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| 06:17.44 | Guerin | !ipp |
| 06:17.44 | dpkg | from memory, ipp is Internet Printing Protocol, a http based protocol for sharing printers on a network. See CUPS for a linux implementation |
| 06:17.52 | Guerin | a http based protocol |
| 06:17.55 | deadcat | k |
| 06:19.14 | deadcat | Guerin: destination doesn not exists |
| 06:19.33 | Guerin | deadcat: you clearly haven't done it right |
| 06:19.43 | nomad_cz | Hi. Could anyone confirm that there are so many new updates (firehol, samba, vim ...) I am asking because none of them is mentioned on debian's www. Thanks. |
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| 06:20.07 | Ziengux | hello |
| 06:20.08 | Guerin | nomad_cz: packages in testing/unstable get updated daily |
| 06:20.14 | nomad_cz | Guerin: stable |
| 06:20.24 | Guerin | nomad_cz: apt-cache policy vim |
| 06:20.33 | Guerin | nomad_cz: print the 'candidate' line |
| 06:20.34 | Guerin | err |
| 06:20.36 | Guerin | paste |
| 06:20.50 | deadcat | Guerin: Device URI: http://hades:631/ipp/ |
| 06:21.07 | teufel_ | what can I type at prompt to find out what kind of video card I have? |
| 06:21.10 | Guerin | deadcat: got a connection on hades:631? |
| 06:21.17 | deadcat | Guerin: thats from the laptop's cupsys setting. pointing to the desktop (hades) |
| 06:21.17 | Guerin | teufel_: lspci |
| 06:21.24 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. i can telnet hades 631 |
| 06:21.26 | Ziengux | when I am downloading a copy of debian where does it say which one I need? being alpha, arm, hppa,i386,ia64,m68k,mips, mipsel,powerpc, or sparc? |
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| 06:21.42 | Guerin | deadcat: then the location /ipp/ isn't there ... find out what it is really |
| 06:21.44 | nomad_cz | Guerin: Candidate: 1:6.3-071+1sarge1 |
| 06:21.47 | teufel_ | Guerin THANKS |
| 06:21.49 | caphuso | Ziengux: x86, if you have to ask |
| 06:21.56 | Guerin | nomad_cz: it's from security.debian.org, then? |
| 06:21.58 | caphuso | Ziengux: err, i386 if you have to ask |
| 06:22.07 | Ziengux | caphuso: okay thanks |
| 06:22.08 | nomad_cz | Guerin: http://ftp.cz.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 06:22.19 | deadcat | Guerin: how do i find out? from hades? |
| 06:22.28 | Guerin | nomad_cz: do you have security.debian.org in sources.list? |
| 06:22.34 | nomad_cz | Guerin: Sure. |
| 06:22.35 | Guerin | deadcat: it's your computer. |
| 06:22.56 | Guerin | nomad_cz: that's where packages tagged with sarge1 tend to come from |
| 06:22.57 | deadcat | Guerin: find out from the machine WITH the printer or from the client machines? |
| 06:23.05 | Guerin | nomad_cz: security.debian.org should tell you why |
| 06:23.24 | Guerin | deadcat: well, from the client you could just guess random things ... |
| 06:23.41 | nomad_cz | Guerin: I thought those packages will be listed on www (last one is [14.12.2005] DSA-922 kernel-source-2.6.8 - several vulnerabilities ) |
| 06:24.19 | Guerin | nomad_cz: the dsa might not have updated yet. |
| 06:24.28 | deadcat | Guerin: so from the machine with the printer? |
| 06:24.35 | nomad_cz | Guerin: Oh. I see. Thanks a lot ... |
| 06:24.37 | Guerin | nomad_cz: I see [19 Dec 2005] DSA-923 dropbear |
| 06:24.38 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.44 | teufel_ | what does linux x86 mean? |
| 06:25.11 | Guerin | teufel_: linux is an OS kernel; x86 is a cpu family from intel |
| 06:25.22 | deadcat | teufel_: thats like intel cpu |
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| 06:25.54 | teufel_ | ah... so ALL or MOST of intel computers are x86? |
| 06:26.34 | Guerin | teufel_: all |
| 06:26.44 | teufel_ | ah, ok thanks |
| 06:27.17 | deadcat | Guerin: got it. Device URI: http://hades:631/printers/SamsungML |
| 06:27.19 | deadcat | thanks |
| 06:27.40 | fooz | intel also makes the StrongARM, XScale, i960 and Itanium |
| 06:27.58 | Guerin | deadcat: OK. so you were making up the url as well as the syntax |
| 06:28.13 | Guerin | fooz: hrm, itanium is x86, is it not? |
| 06:28.19 | fooz | no. |
| 06:28.24 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:28.35 | Guerin | my bad |
| 06:28.51 | deadcat | oh failed again |
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| 06:33.58 | deadcat | Guerin: now i get this: "Print file was not accepted (client-error-bad-request)!" |
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| 06:35.13 | starfishy | i have a performance problem with apache 2. From 2 different hosts within my lan I get only about 60k/s transfer rate. scp gets >2MB/s. |
| 06:35.29 | starfishy | i tried to attack the problem from several different angles but so far havent made progress |
| 06:35.40 | starfishy | anyone have a suggestion how to debug this? |
| 06:36.38 | nomad_cz | Guerin: Thanks ... |
| 06:36.40 | deadcat | starfishy: scp, what do you expect |
| 06:36.41 | nomad_cz | Bye ... |
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| 06:37.31 | starfishy | deadcat: I need http access because the other host is eventually going to be behind a firewall |
| 06:37.35 | starfishy | with very limited access |
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| 06:37.49 | r0tu | dondelelcaro: Since I got that apt-get problem fixed.. I don't have my shutdown or reboot commands |
| 06:38.00 | starfishy | i just listed the scp because I wanted to show it is probably not a network setup issue |
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| 06:38.04 | r0tu | even though we re-installed util-linux |
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| 06:39.51 | Guerin | starfishy: try asking #apache about what can affect performance like that |
| 06:40.04 | Guerin | starfishy: scp should be SLOWER than http |
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| 06:42.26 | mae | With bind9 what is the difference between SOA defining the authoritative nameserver and using NS records .. it seems redundant |
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| 06:43.12 | mae | ? |
| 06:43.13 | starfishy | guerin: thats what I thought |
| 06:43.27 | Guerin | mae: #dns |
| 06:43.46 | eeyore- | mae: it's not, really. you can have multiple NS records. |
| 06:43.56 | starfishy | and IMO http should get something far above 1MB/s on a 100Base-T Ethernet connection |
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| 06:44.07 | starfishy | in reality it only gets 60kB/s |
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| 06:44.26 | eeyore- | starfishy: it's your problem. i don't get that problem. |
| 06:44.36 | starfishy | and that's why I am trying to find out what is wrong |
| 06:44.39 | eeyore- | starfishy: check your network setup |
| 06:44.43 | starfishy | i did |
| 06:44.53 | starfishy | any ideas what to look for beyond the usual suspects? |
| 06:45.01 | eeyore- | starfishy: what usual suspects have you checked? |
| 06:45.27 | starfishy | ip-addresses, netmasks, routes, firewalls |
| 06:45.34 | starfishy | everything looks good |
| 06:45.50 | eeyore- | starfishy: cabling? switch? excessive retransmits? things along that line? MTU? |
| 06:45.51 | starfishy | and the connection works, otherwise scp would be slow either or wouldnt work at all |
| 06:46.23 | starfishy | if cabling or the switch was to blame, the transfer rate for scp would be slow too |
| 06:46.31 | eeyore- | starfishy: not necessarily |
| 06:46.34 | starfishy | hm |
| 06:46.38 | starfishy | im gonna look into that |
| 06:47.12 | eeyore- | starfishy: if you have a managed switch, check the per-port stats to see if you have potential problems |
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| 06:48.12 | starfishy | no, just a normal run-of-the-mill Gigabit switch |
| 06:48.17 | eeyore- | starfishy: you know the saying that switches die one port at a time? :-) well, i used to have a switch like that. port 3 was really sucky ... |
| 06:48.31 | eeyore- | starfishy: if it's a gigabit switch, have you enabled jumbo packets? |
| 06:48.41 | starfishy | no |
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| 06:49.11 | starfishy | im gonna do that right now |
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| 06:54.21 | starfishy | interesting |
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| 06:54.58 | starfishy | one, i get SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument on the client's interface |
| 06:55.17 | starfishy | and two, the connection always tops out at exactly 62.92kB/s |
| 06:55.34 | starfishy | 500kBit/s |
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| 06:59.21 | starfishy | the download from other websites from the client is the expected 163kB/s |
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| 07:00.27 | deadcat | network printing sucks |
| 07:01.01 | starfishy | how so? |
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| 07:08.29 | starfishy | with mtu3000 on both sides i dont get a connection at all |
| 07:10.35 | starfishy | i just changed the switch |
| 07:10.43 | starfishy | still the same result, 62kB/s |
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| 07:11.00 | starfishy | something is not quite right with the apache here, it seems |
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| 07:11.25 | zven | How to create postgresql user? (8.1) I always see: could not connect to database postgres: FATAL: role "root" does not exist |
| 07:11.51 | asuffield | should be running it as postgres, not as root |
| 07:12.27 | zven | asuffield, How to configure it? |
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| 07:15.06 | peterS | mae: the SOA doesn't define the authoritative name server, it defines the contact address |
| 07:15.52 | peterS | mae: as for the NS records, you should realise that they exist in *two* places - in the DNS server authoritative for the domain, and in the DNS server authoritative for the *parent* domain. I mean, in cases where the two aren't the same server |
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| 07:16.43 | peterS | mae: the ones in the servers for the parent domain (like the 'com' servers, for foo.com NS records) are known as "glue records" and they have to exist or there'd be no way to resolve foo.com names from outside foo.com at all |
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| 07:17.15 | Coke_ | What happens to the person who has my nick when I recover it? |
| 07:17.31 | peterS | Coke_: on this network, they get kicked off |
| 07:17.34 | jm_ | Coke_: you mean with ghost? they get killed |
| 07:17.36 | deadcat | his ass gets kicked |
| 07:17.41 | peterS | Coke_: on some networks, they get renamed to 'guestNNN' or something |
| 07:18.16 | Coke | Not a ghost. |
| 07:18.26 | Coke | A moron who keeps using Coke and I can't PM the guy. |
| 07:18.40 | jm_ | the command is called ghost |
| 07:18.40 | Coke | because Coke_ isn't registered. |
| 07:18.41 | falkon | I have libjack0.100.0-0, but libbio2jack depends on libjack0.80.0-0. How do I clear the old dependency issue? I can't install mplayer without fixing this |
| 07:18.41 | deadcat | HHAHAHA |
| 07:18.52 | deadcat | must be a cokehead |
| 07:19.24 | peterS | Coke: well obviously he's not registered either, when he is 'Coke', so he should by default accept /msgs from unregistered users |
| 07:19.47 | peterS | the default that blocks those /msgs is only applied by nickserv, when you identify with it, IIRC |
| 07:19.52 | dli | falkon, clean up the old libraries, download source from mplayerhq.hu, and "./configure;debian/rules binary" |
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| 07:19.58 | starfishy | apparently apache2-worker segfaults child processes at a rate of 2-3 per second |
| 07:20.07 | starfishy | so back to prefork |
| 07:20.18 | takatumi | Coke: /msg nickserv help set secure |
| 07:20.30 | Coke | peterS: no the network blocks private messages from unregistered users. |
| 07:20.34 | Coke | takatumi: I have that. |
| 07:20.59 | takatumi | Coke: doesn't it kill the guest if not id'd in time? |
| 07:21.00 | peterS | Coke: oh is that new? it used to do so only if you had the +6 flag set, which was set for you by nickserv |
| 07:21.05 | Coke | It's a classic catch 22 that only computer systems can provide you with. :) |
| 07:21.29 | Coke | peterS: the message also states that it's because there has been problems with spam bots |
| 07:21.52 | Coke | takatumi: don't think so. I have to release, recover and identify myself. |
| 07:21.56 | Frem | Is there a command to put a laptop into sleep more instantly? (like "shutdown -h now") I checked "man sleepd" but I didn't find anything useful. |
| 07:21.57 | peterS | Coke: must be a recent change, I was sure only registered users were mode +6 by default |
| 07:22.03 | Coke | Why it's not enough just for me to identify I'll never know. |
| 07:22.21 | peterS | Coke: how would you identify, if you're the wrong nick? |
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| 07:22.34 | Coke | peterS: the identify command could take a nick argument |
| 07:22.47 | Coke | it's _defenately_ a better solution than having to recover, release, nick, identify. |
| 07:23.04 | peterS | Coke: it could. alternatively you could register Coke_ and link the two together |
| 07:23.09 | Coke | definitely |
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| 07:23.27 | Coke | that would remove the option for someone else to use Coke |
| 07:23.31 | Coke | Coke_ |
| 07:23.49 | peterS | Coke: though I'm not sure what happens if 'Coke' is online and 'Coke_' comes online and identifies himself. don't know if that automatically kills 'Coke' or what |
| 07:24.02 | peterS | it's not a thing I have tested |
| 07:24.08 | Coke | peterS: it's still easier to have one command that takes back Coke for me and kicks whoever had it. |
| 07:24.21 | takatumi | Coke: wtite an alias, which would first ghost, change nick and id. |
| 07:24.22 | Coke | but people who design computer systems tend to like it the hard way. |
| 07:24.51 | peterS | Coke: indeed. I have a client-side alias for just that. it doesn't work all that well because I did it in a quick'n'dirty manner which just uses timeouts rather than waiting for specific server responses |
| 07:25.05 | Coke | peterS: yeah, the same for me. |
| 07:25.22 | Coke | I think that's why I started programming, because software was (and for the most part still is) so damn retarded. |
| 07:25.49 | peterS | Coke: ha, Larry Wall's second virtue, "impatience" |
| 07:25.59 | falkon | dli: with the source package will I still be able to use the firefox mplayer plugin? |
| 07:26.15 | Coke | peterS: indeed. most likely what got GNU started as well. |
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| 07:26.25 | peterS | pretty much. |
| 07:26.52 | jm_ | Coke: never heard the story about Stallman and that printer driver? |
| 07:26.53 | dli | falkon, sorry, I don't use the plugin, it crashes often |
| 07:26.55 | Coke | and I bet you debbie & ian asked "why are all these Linux-based systems so damn retarded?" |
| 07:27.03 | Coke | jm_: no, do go on! :) |
| 07:27.16 | Coke | should I google ti? |
| 07:27.17 | Coke | it |
| 07:27.22 | falkon | dli: any other one you use in particular to view movies? kaffeine? |
| 07:27.22 | peterS | Coke: well, Ian. debra wasn't involved, she just happened to be his gf (at the time, I believe - later wife) |
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| 07:27.47 | fooz | man, i forgot how to code in perl |
| 07:28.22 | Shadda | When in doubt, chomp; |
| 07:28.29 | eeyore- | fooz: shift + 1-9 in random order seems to produce good perl codes |
| 07:28.38 | peterS | if still in doubt, use strict |
| 07:28.39 | dli | falkon, xine, totem |
| 07:28.52 | falkon | dli: got that, okay then |
| 07:28.59 | Coke | peterS: that sucks. I thought she was involved. |
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| 07:29.24 | peterS | Coke: apparently not. but anyway. |
| 07:29.26 | falkon | does anyone here use audacity at all? |
| 07:29.28 | Coke | peterS: now the romance in the story is all gone for me. :( |
| 07:29.33 | peterS | heh |
| 07:29.44 | Coke | falkon: I've used it some. |
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| 07:30.03 | jm_ | Coke: http://www.gnu.org/events/rms-nyu-2001-summary.txt |
| 07:30.10 | Coke | excellent. |
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| 07:30.44 | falkon | Coke: problem I'm having that seems to be associated with OSS drivers and the lack of support for the Extigy: I need to use ALSA output with Audacity. DO you know how to do it? |
| 07:31.09 | falkon | Using OSS output, there is no sound and output runs at 2x speed |
| 07:31.19 | falkon | this is true of XMMS as well |
| 07:31.23 | fooz | extigy is a USB audio device |
| 07:31.29 | fooz | alsa supports those |
| 07:31.36 | falkon | fooz: exactly |
| 07:31.37 | takatumi | falkon: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 07:31.41 | ssb | what is the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap ? |
| 07:31.54 | lunitik | ssb: the language its written in |
| 07:31.58 | peterS | yes, he's not asking about the kernel drivers, he's asking how to make audacity use it |
| 07:32.00 | fooz | cdebootstrap is written in C and works more often |
| 07:32.10 | falkon | EXACTLY |
| 07:32.18 | ssb | heh |
| 07:32.24 | peterS | if I used audacity I'd try to answer, but I don't, so I won't |
| 07:32.26 | falkon | audacity WAS working. Now it suddenly doesn't work for no reason |
| 07:32.34 | Coke | falkon: you can always build alsa with OSS emulation |
| 07:32.52 | falkon | peterS: OSS output used to work through alsa-oss, it doesn't anymore. No idea why |
| 07:33.06 | peterS | Coke: that may or may not work for an app as technically demanding as audacity. you'd think there'd be a way to make audacity go native on alsa. and there probably is. |
| 07:33.07 | falkon | Coke: I have alsa-oss installed |
| 07:33.34 | Coke | Does it work with jack? |
| 07:33.50 | falkon | I don't know, jack is having its own dependency problems |
| 07:33.56 | Coke | bleh |
| 07:34.08 | falkon | trying to point to an old old libbio2jack0 |
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| 07:34.48 | starfishy | ok, with apache 1.3 i get 10MB/s download rate |
| 07:34.50 | peterS | jack ABI version problems are apparently quite annoying. I guess it's too young to have worked all that out yet |
| 07:34.54 | starfishy | with apache2 60kB/s |
| 07:34.59 | starfishy | weird |
| 07:35.01 | peterS | starfishy: oh that's interesting |
| 07:35.08 | starfishy | same files by the way |
| 07:35.13 | starfishy | its a local debian mirror |
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| 07:35.30 | starfishy | i bet i got something in the apache2 config wrong |
| 07:35.31 | starfishy | but what? |
| 07:35.34 | peterS | starfishy: I wonder if you're getting different negotiated features with the two, like mod_gzip or whatnot |
| 07:35.35 | cWX_19^_^ | real name? |
| 07:36.03 | peterS | starfishy: you'd think out of the box they'd perform about equally though. certainly not 2 orders of magnitude different |
| 07:36.03 | starfishy | that may be |
| 07:36.14 | starfishy | im just trying to devise a way to troubleshoot that |
| 07:36.16 | starfishy | yup |
| 07:36.21 | starfishy | thats what i was thinking |
| 07:36.22 | Coke | jm_: what a boring speach, though |
| 07:36.35 | Coke | I never could make myself watch/read an entire RMS speech. |
| 07:36.36 | starfishy | it rules out a network problem pretty much though |
| 07:36.41 | peterS | starfishy: try both with a really dumb client like /usr/bin/GET from the libwww-perl package |
| 07:36.55 | jm_ | Coke: heh I listened to it live once |
| 07:37.01 | Coke | jm_: how was it? |
| 07:37.04 | peterS | starfishy: well, GET isn't *that* dumb but it shouldn't do anything fancy by default, I thinmk |
| 07:37.33 | jm_ | Coke: I knew about the story before he told it, so it was a bit boring, but still he mentioned some details to make it more interesting |
| 07:38.04 | starfishy | i tried wget and download with a web browser and aptitude |
| 07:38.15 | starfishy | the result is the same in both cases (apache 1.3 and 2.0 |
| 07:38.15 | peterS | starfishy: oh and they all do the same thing? |
| 07:38.18 | starfishy | yes |
| 07:38.30 | starfishy | well, the result is the same for all methods on 1.3 |
| 07:38.45 | starfishy | ( download rate about 80MBit/s) |
| 07:38.46 | Coke | jm_: ok. it's weird though, that the target audience is almost always people who are initiated already, it's like free software people only preach to the choir |
| 07:38.55 | starfishy | and for 2.0 (download rate ~500kBit/s |
| 07:39.13 | peterS | starfishy: well hmmm. that makes me wonder. can you do 'telnet foo http' and type 'HEAD / HTTP/1.0' and hit enter twice and paste the output somewhere for both servers? or compare the output, see if either is showing any weird features enabled |
| 07:39.18 | jm_ | Coke: as opposed to Microsoft marketdroids and the managers who fall for that? |
| 07:39.59 | starfishy | lets try that |
| 07:41.07 | peterS | starfishy: actually running 'HEAD -U http://foo/' will do the same, if you have libwww-perl (with /usr/bin/HEAD) installed |
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| 07:43.04 | starfishy | i get 403 forbidden for the HEAD command |
| 07:43.11 | sifi | !mvup |
| 07:43.11 | dpkg | i heard mvup is <sifi> everyone! if you ever do: mv /* /tmp/ restore it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/lib /tmp/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmp/bin/mv /tmp/* / |
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| 07:43.19 | peterS | interesting, I wonder why |
| 07:43.34 | sifi | peterS, how do I check the md5sum for a bit of text? |
| 07:43.35 | starfishy | but thats with 1.3.34 |
| 07:43.43 | peterS | sifi: use the md5sum command |
| 07:43.47 | starfishy | and the other transfers work just fine with this version |
| 07:44.04 | peterS | sifi: so like 'md5sum textfile' or just 'md5sum' and type your text and end it with ctrl-d |
| 07:44.19 | peterS | (or if it doesn't end with a newline character, two ctrl-d's) |
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| 07:45.24 | peterS | starfishy: definitely strange that 'HEAD /' would fail but 'GET /' succeed. unless ... hmmm, unless you've disabled directory listings and you don't have a /index.html or /index.php or whatever |
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| 07:45.46 | peterS | (in which case both HEAD / and GET / would fail) |
| 07:45.48 | starfishy | with 2.0.55 I get 200 OK for the HEAD command |
| 07:45.57 | starfishy | with 1.3.34 403 forbidden |
| 07:46.11 | starfishy | but with 1.3.34 the transfers work just fine |
| 07:46.24 | peterS | starfishy: right, it's mostly the other headers that are interesting - what modules are listed in the 'Server:' line, etc. |
| 07:46.25 | starfishy | btw, the Server: list doesnt contain anything unusual |
| 07:46.34 | starfishy | can i paste the server line here? |
| 07:46.48 | starfishy | or do you prefer some dropbox? |
| 07:46.50 | peterS | starfishy: type '/msg dpkg paster' to see where to paste stuff |
| 07:47.06 | peterS | ah right, http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 07:47.54 | peterS | starfishy: this all does make me wonder if you've got some bandwidth throttling module enabled in apache2. try a dummy transfer from the server box, but using the server's IP rather than using localhost (using localhost might get around the throttle) |
| 07:48.21 | starfishy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1313 |
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| 07:48.41 | starfishy | yeah, i was thinking the same thing |
| 07:48.57 | starfishy | but i have no idea how to find that module |
| 07:49.08 | starfishy | i made sure there is no firewall running on either of the testbeds |
| 07:49.24 | peterS | starfishy: well if you just test the bandwidth from the same machine, but using its public IP address, that'd tell you one way or the other |
| 07:50.20 | peterS | I mean whether it's the server itself or of the server's network settings, like socket options |
| 07:50.56 | starfishy | let me try that |
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| 07:51.10 | sifi | peterS, echo -n "some text" | md5sum is correct? |
| 07:51.25 | peterS | sifi: right, assuming you don't want a newline |
| 07:51.37 | sifi | petemc, correct |
| 07:51.50 | peterS | sifi: note also the 'sha1sum' command for a somewhat more secure checksum algorithm, if that sort of thing matters to you |
| 07:51.58 | sifi | peterS s/petemc/peterS/ |
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| 07:52.10 | peterS | sifi: poor petemc, he gets my irc highlights all the time |
| 07:52.22 | sifi | peterS, =) |
| 07:52.25 | Sprinterv2 | mornin |
| 07:52.39 | sifi | peterS, chage to p ;) |
| 07:52.44 | Sprinterv2 | !help paster |
| 07:52.52 | peterS | !paster |
| 07:52.55 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 07:53.02 | Sprinterv2 | thx |
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| 07:54.09 | Bogaurd | i have a jbod setup using lvm... one of my disks died today, and i'd like to get the remaining data off the first disk... how on earth can i do this? |
| 07:54.16 | cWX_19^_^ | hii |
| 07:54.23 | peterS | starfishy: also, for a list of modules enabled in apache2, if you use the normal debian way of managing it, just do 'ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/' |
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| 07:54.42 | Sprinterv2 | ok a german debian user in here? :) |
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| 07:55.02 | peterS | Sprinterv2: #debian.de is the usual place, I've never been in there though |
| 07:55.27 | Sprinterv2 | i just asked because the error line is in german of the driver install log ;) |
| 07:55.36 | starfishy | from the same machine, using the public interface, i get 169MB/s |
| 07:55.39 | Sprinterv2 | just saying directory not found though, not hard to understand ;) |
| 07:55.43 | starfishy | weird |
| 07:55.57 | peterS | starfishy: so it *is* something about apache2's network settings, not about its other configuration |
| 07:56.12 | starfishy | yes |
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| 07:56.32 | Sprinterv2 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1314 <--- can somebody help me with this, guess its just a symlink i need to install or kernel sources or something |
| 07:57.41 | peterS | Sprinterv2: you need the right 'kernel-headers-*' package installed, at the least. and you should investigate building the module using 'module-assistant', this makes life easier with at least some modules |
| 07:57.55 | peterS | Sprinterv2: use 'uname -r' to find out what kernel-headers-* package to install |
| 07:58.03 | starfishy | hm, how do i find out what network setting is responsible for that? |
| 07:58.13 | starfishy | i just tested apache2 from the client again, still 60kB/s |
| 07:58.22 | peterS | starfishy: I don't use apache2 so I'm kind of in the dark on all that |
| 07:58.25 | starfishy | on the server itself I get 170MB/s |
| 07:58.38 | starfishy | it narrows the problem down though |
| 07:58.42 | sifi | peterS, where can I find all commands for the dpkg bot =), like !help paster a few lines up, didn't have a clue that it existed |
| 07:58.44 | Sprinterv2 | thx, peterS, will investigate :P |
| 07:58.47 | starfishy | thank you very much for helping me to this point |
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| 07:59.02 | jm_ | starfishy: verify links on both sides |
| 07:59.08 | Bogaurd | i have a jbod setup using lvm... one of my disks died today, and i'd like to get the remaining data off the first disk... how on earth can i do this? |
| 07:59.09 | bonez39 | what's the #debian channel for openoffice? |
| 07:59.11 | starfishy | jm: links? |
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| 07:59.25 | peterS | sifi: the bot has a few interesting commands, but for the most part it just has "factoids", which are just bits of text associated with a name. you can use 'listkeys' to find names (keys) with a given substring in them |
| 07:59.28 | sifi | bonez39, your looking at it |
| 07:59.30 | starfishy | as in symbolic links? |
| 07:59.33 | peterS | sifi: (do all that in /msg dpkg, not here in channel) |
| 07:59.35 | starfishy | or network links? |
| 07:59.55 | peterS | jm_: the thing is, he can transfer data nice and fast using apache 1.3, just not with apache 2. |
| 07:59.56 | jm_ | starfishy: etherenet link status |
| 08:00.09 | starfishy | oh |
| 08:00.15 | starfishy | link status is good on both sides |
| 08:00.17 | Sprinterv2 | peterS, its an own built kernel so i guess the kernel headers should already be installed |
| 08:00.19 | sifi | peterS, I know, but where can I find them, people never tell me |
| 08:00.23 | Sprinterv2 | or do i need some base packages |
| 08:00.30 | peterS | !my factoids |
| 08:00.30 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 08:00.31 | starfishy | the transfer rate with apache 1.3 is at 80MBit/s |
| 08:00.41 | starfishy | not bad for a 100Base-T network connection |
| 08:00.45 | peterS | sifi: you can get the raw database of factoids if you want (it's a MySQL dump) - see above |
| 08:00.47 | starfishy | with 2.0 it's 60k/s |
| 08:00.56 | jm_ | ohh |
| 08:00.57 | starfishy | unlikely that the network connection itself is to blame |
| 08:01.08 | bonez39 | sifi, in that case...I have a form letter open, in 1.1.3 oo... and i click on Maimerge under Tools, I have updated the source spreadsheet where the recipient names reside...yet, if I merge....it only grabs one name, not all the names.. |
| 08:01.12 | valdyn | starfishy: just a blind guess, is your /dev/shm 'ok' ? |
| 08:01.13 | peterS | yeah, 80 Mbit is pretty good indeed |
| 08:01.44 | takatumi | bonez39: theres #debian-oo as well. |
| 08:02.03 | bonez39 | sifi, does that make sense? I created a mailmerg letter last week, then I went in and added to the source spreadsheet, with 7 more names, address, etc...... |
| 08:02.29 | starfishy | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 08:02.35 | starfishy | should be ok |
| 08:02.41 | valdyn | starfishy: yea |
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| 08:03.07 | peterS | starfishy: yeah I'm pretty much stumped. I don't know what apache2 is doing to its network sockets to make it suck like that, but I can't think where else the problem might be, given what you've tested so far |
| 08:03.08 | starfishy | i think peter is right, there might be some throttling going on |
| 08:03.24 | sifi | bonez39, #openoffice.org |
| 08:03.27 | starfishy | which would explain the reproducible download rate |
| 08:03.32 | valdyn | that would have to be done by apache2 |
| 08:03.37 | valdyn | ( the throttling ) |
| 08:03.47 | starfishy | yes |
| 08:03.54 | starfishy | i think there is a throttling module in apache 2 |
| 08:04.06 | starfishy | though i dont think it should be installed in a new debian installation |
| 08:04.07 | peterS | starfishy: unless you're running apache1 and apache2 side by side on different ports, and your *kernel* is throttling certain ports because of some QoS settings you applied at some point. but that seems rather unlikely |
| 08:04.09 | valdyn | starfishy: iirc it needs a module for that, which you'd need to install explicitely |
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| 08:04.24 | starfishy | no, i always shut down one and then start the other |
| 08:04.36 | peterS | so they're both on port 80. so much for that hypothesis (: |
| 08:04.49 | bonez39 | sifi, thanks for the help..... |
| 08:04.49 | starfishy | yup |
| 08:04.54 | peterS | (that'd also include the hypothesis of some device in between client and server doing port-based throttling) |
| 08:04.57 | starfishy | both on port 2 and no interaction should be going on |
| 08:05.02 | seeds | hello how i can fix an open_sock hardware not found problem? |
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| 08:05.21 | peterS | seeds: uh, what software is failing? |
| 08:05.28 | valdyn | starfishy: are you using a custom kernel or a debian kernel? |
| 08:05.32 | seeds | not sure |
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| 08:05.36 | starfishy | i am running a custom kernel |
| 08:05.39 | starfishy | 2.6.14 |
| 08:05.41 | kingrayray | hey guys, real quick. how do I change my time from UTC to local? |
| 08:05.51 | seeds | when am booting up i get that problem |
| 08:05.56 | peterS | kingrayray: you mean change your computer's hardware clock, or just change the time displayed to *you*? |
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| 08:06.00 | valdyn | starfishy: if you can do that easily, try a debian kernel |
| 08:06.03 | sifi | peterS, http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/, king, is there many channels that is using the dpkg bot? |
| 08:06.04 | kingrayray | the time I see. |
| 08:06.11 | kingrayray | it keeps using utc, and I dualboot xp so it messes up |
| 08:06.14 | bonez39 | sifi, one other question.....I run stable/sarge...is 2.0 available for me, or just for testing/unstable at this point? |
| 08:06.23 | peterS | kingrayray: the latter can be done with 'tzconfig' |
| 08:06.45 | kingrayray | well the timezone is set right |
| 08:06.49 | sifi | bonez39, sarge is 3.1a right now |
| 08:07.00 | peterS | sifi: this channel, a couple of channels on irc.oftc.net, and #debian-bots |
| 08:07.03 | starfishy | not quite that easy |
| 08:07.11 | sifi | bonez39, 3.1r0a even |
| 08:07.18 | peterS | sifi: those are the ones I know of |
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| 08:08.01 | seeds | peters: how i can fix the bootup problem? |
| 08:08.27 | peterS | seeds: without knowing what is actually failing, it's hard to say. I don't recognise the error message offhand. |
| 08:08.29 | streuner_ | kingrayray: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 08:08.49 | starfishy | for the time being i could live with apache 1.3, but eventually Ill need to use apache |
| 08:08.49 | streuner_ | kingrayray: rcS:UTC=no |
| 08:08.51 | starfishy | 2 |
| 08:09.05 | seeds | so what does open_ sock mean? |
| 08:09.05 | peterS | kingrayray: so if you dual-boot with WinXP, you probably want to set your hardware clock to *not* be in UTC, because XP has this limitation where it assumes the hardware clock is local time rather than UTC |
| 08:09.06 | kingrayray | streuner_: ah there we go, thanks :) |
| 08:09.22 | sifi | !dpkg sarge |
| 08:09.22 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 08:09.24 | bonez39 | sifi, well, I guess I don't know how to get OO updated..... |
| 08:09.27 | kingrayray | peterS: yeah, I know I inadvertantly picked utc during installation of debian |
| 08:09.30 | sifi | !dpkg sarge bonez39 |
| 08:09.40 | kingrayray | that'll do it though, thanks guys |
| 08:10.01 | pitillo | anyone know if is there a way to use a digital videocamera can be used as a webcam? |
| 08:10.34 | sifi | peterS, ok and now how do i know which commands to begin with? !my factoids !dpkg etc? |
| 08:10.41 | peterS | pitillo: 'apt-cache search webcam' lists a few promising packages |
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| 08:11.05 | peterS | sifi: depends on what you actually want to know that it has 'learned' by people telling it to remember |
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| 08:11.16 | pitillo | peterS, i read about, but only digital cameras (photo) to use as webcam... |
| 08:11.20 | peterS | sifi: that's mostly what the bot does, just stores lines people tell it to, under the name the person specifies |
| 08:11.54 | sifi | so how do I record a line to dpkg? |
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| 08:12.24 | peterS | pitillo: it's probably just a matter of knowing what kernel stuff to do to make your camera usable via the 'v4l' (video for linux) API, or the newer 'v4l2' API, and then tell your application to use v4l to produce images for web downloading |
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| 08:12.32 | streuner_ | sifi: infobot.org |
| 08:12.56 | peterS | sifi: with what you know about it now, it's probably best that you not be polluting its database with your own bits and pieces. but if you really must, ask it for 'help' |
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| 08:13.47 | tsume | I have a troll! yippeeee |
| 08:13.49 | peterS | sifi: I mean it's not a toy, it's a service for user support. random jokes, which is what most people think to put in it, only make it harder to find what we need in it. (not saying that's all you'd use it for, but that's all a lot of people use it for) |
| 08:13.52 | tsume | http://tsumelabs.com/thefriend.jpg |
| 08:13.52 | starfishy | hm |
| 08:14.07 | tsume | out of all the trolls, I get dagbrown |
| 08:14.19 | sifi | peterS, ok, but to getting started. /msg dpkg foo is when I want info about foo. whats about !my and all the other commands, where can I find them and what they do? |
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| 08:14.49 | peterS | sifi: "my" isn't anything special - I asked it for the factoid named "my factoids". in other words, the key (name) of a factoid can contain spaces (: |
| 08:15.15 | caphuso | read special_vars.txt |
| 08:15.23 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:15.23 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:15.30 | peterS | sifi: "my factoids" is just one I happened to already know, which seemed to answer your question about where to get its stored information |
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| 08:16.07 | sifi | peterS, so !dpkg foo equals !foo? |
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| 08:16.28 | peterS | sifi: ! signals that bot that you are talking to it. 'dpkg' does the same. using both is redundant, but happens to work. |
| 08:16.29 | sifi | !md5sum |
| 08:16.30 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 08:17.19 | sifi | !dpkg md5sum |
| 08:17.20 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 08:17.29 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 08:17.30 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 08:17.36 | SimonRaven | no need for the 'dpkg' after the ! |
| 08:17.51 | sifi | SimonRaven, get it |
| 08:17.56 | streuner_ | sifi: read infobot.org |
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| 08:18.27 | streuner_ | sifi: and watch how we use it |
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| 08:19.46 | starfishy | the http request alone takes about 5 seconds when i transfer to the client |
| 08:19.52 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: ff sifi |
| 08:19.53 | ravenbird | sifi: fartfish |
| 08:20.01 | starfishy | within the server the connection is more or less instantaneous |
| 08:20.18 | peterS | starfishy: oh that's odd. (I keep saying that, don't I?) |
| 08:20.38 | starfishy | well, you are right :) |
| 08:20.42 | starfishy | i find it just as odd |
| 08:20.54 | peterS | I may be right but that doesn't mean it's helpful to keep saying that. oh well. |
| 08:20.59 | starfishy | never seen this before and i am not a spring chicken either concerning Linux or Debian |
| 08:21.20 | pitillo | peterS, thanks, I need to read about how to setup the kernel to use my digital videocamera as webcam. I look up for v4l and v4l2 protocols too |
| 08:21.53 | peterS | pitillo: the kernel doesn't do webcam stuff directly, it just exposes the v4l methods for applications to do that stuff. so yeah. |
| 08:22.27 | peterS | pitillo: it should also be noted that I don't have any type of camera and have never set up a webcam |
| 08:22.49 | peterS | just trying to put you on the right track to do this for yourself, since I can't give you anything based on actual experience |
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| 08:24.26 | pitillo | peterS, thanks a lot, i have the camera but no idea how to set up it. With your help I have new ideas to continue reading about |
| 08:24.41 | peterS | !bless pitillo |
| 08:24.41 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child pitillo, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 08:24.45 | SimonRaven | bleh, i just edited ldap group memberships (which means i have to log out *sigh*) |
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| 08:24.59 | peterS | SimonRaven: that or just use 'newgrp' to get a new shell with the group in it |
| 08:25.22 | SimonRaven | i have shells on multiple machines open ;) |
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| 08:25.45 | SimonRaven | and several shells on each |
| 08:25.55 | SimonRaven | i'll be there for 20 minutes |
| 08:26.08 | SimonRaven | (exagerrating a little ;) |
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| 08:26.35 | starfishy | in the active server process I get alternating sendfile calls and polls, but at a _really_ slow rate |
| 08:26.38 | starfishy | (in apache2) |
| 08:26.57 | starfishy | this should just zip across the screen, instead Id guess the rate is 2-3/s |
| 08:27.57 | SimonRaven | didn't work anyway. just tried on an opne shell |
| 08:27.59 | peterS | starfishy: I wonder if apache1 is using something other than sendfile, or something like that - and if kernel 2.6.14 just happens to have some sendfile stall bug |
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| 08:28.08 | SimonRaven | open* |
| 08:28.13 | peterS | starfishy: though I thought apache'd been using sendfile for years, so that's kind of unlikely |
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| 08:29.44 | peterS | starfishy: anyway, it *is* possible that the pattern of syscalls in apache2 happens to tickle a bug specific to a narrow range of kernels (so it hasn't been noticed more widely) that causes unnecessary stalls. that could include its particular use of poll() |
| 08:29.52 | starfishy | well, the sendfile isnt surprising, but the rate of the sendfile/poll combos is |
| 08:30.14 | starfishy | thats possible |
| 08:30.21 | starfishy | i should try a debian kernel after all |
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| 08:30.32 | peterS | all these things seem unlikely, but what can we say? your whole problem seems unlikely |
| 08:30.44 | vasundhar | Hi can any one suggest me a reason for HEX.Numbers in the place of alphabets in perldoc |
| 08:30.50 | aris | how can i solve distorted sound in playing flash in mozilla firefox? |
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| 08:31.03 | peterS | vasundhar: can you be more specific? what do you mean "in perldoc"? |
| 08:31.07 | starfishy | it does seem a bit unreal |
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| 08:31.24 | vasundhar | perldoc perlopentut |
| 08:31.36 | SimonRaven | it did work, just forgot to update the db database |
| 08:31.41 | peterS | starfishy: if it's convenient to boot another kernel (not necessarily a debian one, just something of a different release than what you've got), that's what I'd try next |
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| 08:31.57 | starfishy | i just did a dist-upgrade from the client using apache 1.3 |
| 08:32.08 | starfishy | result: 80MBit/s |
| 08:32.28 | starfishy | when the upgrades are done, thats what im going to try |
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| 08:33.11 | peterS | vasundhar: looks fine to me. more details? what release of 'perl-doc'? (dpkg -l perl-doc) |
| 08:33.14 | vasundhar | peterS: perldoc perlopentut is showing : " Perl<E2><80><99>s "open" function was designed to mimic the way command-line redi<E2><80><90>" |
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| 08:33.53 | peterS | vasundhar: oh those are UTF-8 characters, apparently it thinks you have a UTF-8 locale enabled and wants to take advantage of that |
| 08:34.06 | peterS | vasundhar: it apparently disagrees with your pager on this point |
| 08:35.42 | vasundhar | So what could be the solution |
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| 08:37.26 | aris | how can i solve distorted sound in playing flash in mozilla firefox? |
| 08:37.41 | peterS | vasundhar: not sure, actually - debian should have solved this problem for you by making all your software agree on such matters |
| 08:37.42 | tuv | how can i setup enlightenment to be a desktop environment offered as an option at gdm login? |
| 08:38.17 | blablablabla | do I have to install any special packages to make internationalization work? I currentlly have all my LC* variables set to "C" which works for me, but to test a program I need to set it to other languages. when I do LANGUAGE or LANG=es for example the program stills is english ... any ideas? |
| 08:38.18 | peterS | vasundhar: you still didn't say what version of perl-doc this is. also the version of groff-base would be helpful |
| 08:38.52 | peterS | blablablabla: do 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and enable any locales you think you'll want to test. then do 'locale -a' to see what you're allowed to set LANG to (it's very picky about syntax) |
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| 08:39.22 | blablablabla | petemc: thanks ... |
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| 08:39.25 | teufel_ | i swapped out my hard drive to a different computer, and when I try to boot linux it gets stuck on this line: kernel panic : attempted to kill init! |
| 08:39.37 | peterS | blablablabla: to make sure any LANG variable has the right syntax, you can use 'perl -e42' as a quick test. perl will whine if you get it wrong. |
| 08:39.57 | tuv | peterS: what if i enabled a locale when reconfiguring and it does not appear in locale -a? |
| 08:40.08 | blablablabla | ok, I'll give it a try ... |
| 08:40.25 | peterS | tuv: well it should. or some variant name of it should. the names that appear in dpkg-reconfigure might not match the real names *exactly*. |
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| 08:41.54 | tuv | how can i setup enlightenment to be a desktop environment offered as an option at gdm login? installing enlightenment packages is not enough, but i can't figure what else i need to do |
| 08:42.28 | peterS | blablablabla: LANGUAGE uses a broader syntax than LANG, btw, but I don't know how LANGUAGE works offhand, so I don't use it |
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| 08:43.06 | blablablabla | me too, I tried an example from the mono website which uses LANGUAGE but it doesn't work for me yet ... |
| 08:44.37 | peterS | blablablabla: best I can tell you is that 'perl -e42' thing. (the number 42 is not actually special.) that way you *know* if the LANG or LANGUAGE variable is something acceptable, rather than having to guess |
| 08:45.04 | blablablabla | perl -e42 works, but the program doesn't get translated strings yet ... |
| 08:45.08 | asuffield | 42 is *so* special |
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| 08:45.58 | vasundhar | peters U want to see dpkg -l perl-doc info? |
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| 08:46.14 | aidan` | How feasable is it to remotely install (ie. only ssh access) debian on a production (we can't afford to host another box) server |
| 08:46.16 | peterS | vasundhar: just the version number would have been fine. and the groff-base version number. |
| 08:46.38 | vasundhar | Debian:~$ dpkg -l perl-doc |
| 08:46.38 | vasundhar | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 08:46.38 | vasundhar | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 08:46.38 | vasundhar | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 08:46.38 | vasundhar | ||/ Name Version Description |
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| 08:46.39 | aidan` | we're currently running rh7.2, and it's getting a rather unbareable |
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| 08:46.43 | peterS | *sigh* |
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| 08:47.01 | takatumi | the irony is that is what you didn't get. |
| 08:47.07 | Dwonis | aidan`: All I'm going to say is "debootstrap". If you can't figure out the test, you probably shouldn't be doing it :) |
| 08:47.08 | peterS | quite |
| 08:47.16 | Dwonis | s/test/rest/ |
| 08:47.17 | peterS | takatumi: actually he /msg'd me the exact same paste, earlier |
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| 08:47.28 | takatumi | hah |
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| 08:47.37 | aidan` | I figured out you mean "rest" not test, do I get bonus points? :P |
| 08:47.54 | Dwonis | !cheer aidan` |
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| 08:48.02 | Dwonis | !congratulate aidan` |
| 08:48.02 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies aidan`, you did it! |
| 08:48.34 | aidan` | Dwonis: where can I read more? |
| 08:48.45 | aidan` | Dwonis: my linux skills are mediocre at best, is this advisable? |
| 08:48.48 | peterS | vasundhar: so I didn't ask for a 6-line paste, just a version number would have sufficed. and then you wouldn't have been kicked off. and I also asked about the version of groff-base. |
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| 08:48.54 | blablablabla | peterS: thanks for your help, I hate to say it but perl helped ;-) |
| 08:49.00 | peterS | blablablabla: heh |
| 08:49.02 | Dwonis | aidan`: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 08:49.16 | Dwonis | aidan`: It's not advisable to do *anything* drastic to a production server |
| 08:49.24 | Dwonis | aidan`; depending on what you mean by "production" |
| 08:49.35 | Dwonis | aidan`: I'd start by making backups :) |
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| 08:50.57 | peterS | Dwonis: curious URL. what is so 'underhanded' about doing a remote conversion to debian? perhaps doing it as the payload of a windows virus? |
| 08:51.22 | aidan` | it's production in that the server runs our email and http servers, that we have clients who pay for access to the site, but a couple of hours of downtime won't hurt |
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| 08:52.15 | Dwonis | aidan`: It's quite possible that you will totally hose your system trying to do this. Have recent backups, or shell out for a new machine. |
| 08:52.20 | peterS | aidan`: dude take it from bitter experience - if you want to do a massive conversion of a machine that's used as a live email server, make sure to enable the user accounts *before* starting the new mail server. otherwise you start bouncing mail |
| 08:52.41 | peterS | (as opposed to temporary failures, which sending mail servers will just requeue) |
| 08:52.42 | asuffield | I like bouncing mail |
| 08:52.45 | asuffield | it keeps the users awake |
| 08:52.54 | tsume | asuffield: heh |
| 08:53.01 | Dwonis | aidan`: Personally, if you say that your "Linux skills are mediocre at best", you probably shouldn't do it. |
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| 08:53.07 | asuffield | otherwise they lose track of the fact that email isn't reliable |
| 08:53.18 | vasundhar | peterS: This is the link for info |
| 08:53.20 | Dwonis | aidan`: Mainly because you need to have the skill to quickly rescue a hosed system, if necessary |
| 08:53.21 | vasundhar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1315 |
| 08:53.44 | peterS | asuffield: they hysterics when people can't get their email for 2 hours, totally grinding their work to a halt, makes one wonder how in the world they did their jobs 15 years ago |
| 08:54.25 | SimonRaven | indeed |
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| 08:54.33 | peterS | vasundhar: three times now you've ignored my request for the version number of groff-base. *plonk* |
| 08:54.41 | SimonRaven | or 100 ;) |
| 08:54.55 | aidan` | Dwonis: The box _is_ pretty old ... maybe a new box is what is needed |
| 08:55.02 | peterS | SimonRaven: well but 15 years ago it was a lot of the same people doing the jobs |
| 08:55.06 | peterS | as opposed to 100 years ago |
| 08:55.17 | SimonRaven | ;) |
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| 08:56.14 | Dwonis | aidan`: Yeah. One thing you could do is get an underpowered PC, a big hard drive, install Debian there, copy the files you need, test it *extensively*, then swap the hard drives. |
| 08:56.25 | Dwonis | aidan`: But still make sure you have a backup. |
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| 08:56.55 | Dwonis | aidan`: and whatever you do, don't try to install Debian "on top" of Red Hat. You'll make a horrible mess. |
| 08:57.07 | aidan` | How well does that work? I'd have thought the OS would crack it if the CPU and mobo were suddenly different |
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| 08:57.42 | Dwonis | aidan`: If you install a generic enough kernel, it will work. I've successfully moved my entire system from a laptop to a desktop machine with no ill effects. |
| 08:57.45 | tuv | how do i get a working enlightenment desktop? |
| 08:58.00 | Dwonis | aidan`: Just make sure you have the proper drivers for *both* machines on the new drive before you do the swap. |
| 08:58.09 | aidan` | dare I ask, what is the latest debian version |
| 08:58.27 | Dwonis | aidan`: Debian's not like Windows where it's tightly bound to the specific hardware you have. |
| 08:58.33 | Dwonis | aidan`: sarge |
| 08:59.21 | Dwonis | aidan`: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 08:59.36 | zamolxes | hmm is it me or p.d.o is down? |
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| 09:00.35 | Dwonis | aidan`: Realistically, don't try to do it remotely over SSH, unless you're in the physically adjacent room. You're bound to screw something up. I've been using Linux for years, and I still wouldn't do it unless I was on site. |
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| 09:01.39 | aidan` | It costs me a fortune to get into the data center, and slightly less to get someone in there to reboot it |
| 09:01.48 | aidan` | so yeh, I think I'll go with the new box idea |
| 09:02.02 | aidan` | thanks |
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| 09:02.20 | Dwonis | aidan`: you're welcome. good luck. |
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| 09:07.07 | tarzeau | damn do i hate HP |
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| 09:08.39 | aquablu | using mepis linux guys, just wondering if i can install limewire as an rpm file on mepis? |
| 09:09.18 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.20 | Greek-B0y | anybody happen to know the uninstall command for openssl |
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| 09:09.24 | deadcat | aquablu: this is #debian |
| 09:09.33 | Greek-B0y | make uninstall doesn't seem to work for openssl |
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| 09:10.03 | deadcat | aquablu: any shouldnt you be atleast try an RPM distro channel? what are you on crack? |
| 09:10.38 | peterS | deadcat: because mepis is not rpm-based |
| 09:10.49 | aquablu | deadcat> i went to the mepis room to ask, but everyone seems asleep, i personally run slackware |
| 09:11.05 | deadcat | aquablu: then #slackware |
| 09:11.06 | aquablu | so this distro being debian based i thought id come here and ask |
| 09:11.10 | streuner_ | !they don't know |
| 09:11.11 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:11.18 | deadcat | aquablu: debian dont use rpm |
| 09:11.18 | aquablu | mepis isnt slackware based ,duh |
| 09:11.28 | peterS | aquablu: it also isn't debian |
| 09:11.46 | peterS | aquablu: you can sure try it, using the 'alien' package to convert the rpm to a .deb file, but we can't do much to help you if it fails |
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| 09:12.00 | aquablu | ok thnx |
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| 09:12.49 | aquablu | i just notice limewire dont come in a tar.bz2 or a tar.gz |
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| 09:13.23 | deadcat | gtk-gnutella rocks over limewire and dont need java |
| 09:13.23 | aquablu | oh ok |
| 09:13.52 | aquablu | is it pretty reliable |
| 09:13.52 | streuner_ | dpkg, factinfo they don't know |
| 09:13.52 | dpkg | they don't know -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Tue Mar 1 17:31:45 2005 (292 days); it has been requested 188 times, last by beardy at Fri Dec 2 04:40:05 2005. |
| 09:13.53 | deadcat | ya gtk-gnutella is really nice.. used to be crap i think |
| 09:14.01 | streuner_ | dpkg, listauth greycat |
| 09:14.01 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'greycat' (15 of 833): /.xinitrc ;; CMD: pdosmite (.*?) ;; CMD: uac (.*?) ;; format /s ;; functional programming ;; gpmdata ;; short read ;; start a car war ;; start a media player war ;; start a partition war ;; stupid people ;; su ;; tanstaafea ;; tfm ;; woody g++. |
| 09:14.11 | deadcat | aquablu: i would say its the best p2p for linux. |
| 09:14.23 | streuner_ | 833 factoids, lol |
| 09:14.26 | aquablu | thnx |
| 09:14.27 | peterS | tanstaafea? there ain't no such thing as a free ethernet adapter? |
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| 09:19.58 | jelly | Hrm. Does anyone have a nice script to verify if any of the installed packages' versions is not from stable? |
| 09:20.48 | caphuso | jelly: apt-showversions |
| 09:21.11 | caphuso | jelly: even better: apt-show-versions |
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| 09:22.09 | vasundhar | Some times making your own scripts might make sense too... |
| 09:22.15 | bibe | apt-show-versions |grep -v "\<stable\>" |
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| 09:22.37 | bibe | jelly : ^^^ |
| 09:22.45 | mely | ^_^ |
| 09:23.13 | jm_ | it's also simple to write a script that gets the versions from available file and uses dpkg --compare-versions |
| 09:23.32 | jm_ | or even status file (grep-dctrl, dpkg-awk to the rescue) |
| 09:23.47 | jelly | caphuso, bibe: thanks |
| 09:24.45 | jelly | jm_: I know, but I'm lazy and it would take a bit of time to work it through apt-cache search or apt-cache policy for each package. |
| 09:25.00 | mely | anyone read of xine source? |
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| 09:25.57 | ircdevil | me forget (again) what is that application called where you can have muliple virtual linux installations running in? |
| 09:26.04 | ruser | what's the difference between packages: memtest86 - A thorough real-mode memory tester ; memtest86+ - thorough real-mode memory tester ; memtester - A utility for testing the memory subsystem |
| 09:26.05 | ircdevil | not vm |
| 09:26.10 | ruser | ircdevil uml? |
| 09:26.13 | ircdevil | uml! |
| 09:26.15 | ircdevil | ty |
| 09:26.19 | jm_ | ruser: the web pages for both explain it |
| 09:26.22 | mely | anyone read of xine source cl |
| 09:26.30 | mely | anyone read of xine source code?? |
| 09:26.48 | ruser | jm_ there are 3 packages, and yet all of them have the same description in apt |
| 09:27.09 | jm_ | ruser: I only see two |
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| 09:27.19 | jm_ | and their descriptions are not the same at all |
| 09:27.47 | ircdevil | how stable is uml compared to a regular linux install+ |
| 09:27.50 | ircdevil | ? |
| 09:28.00 | vasundhar | mile I did some time back whats up , not completely ;) though |
| 09:28.01 | ruser | jm_ i've posted what i get for them in apt-cache |
| 09:28.13 | caphuso | ruser: read the complete description |
| 09:28.24 | jm_ | ruser: that's not the description, that's a headline |
| 09:28.28 | peterS | ruser: no that's just the first line, what you get with 'apt-cache search', not what you get with 'apt-cache show' |
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| 09:28.41 | ruser | ah, okay, my bad, let me read it |
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| 09:29.31 | fireba11 | i got a tape drive that gives me i/o error on mount command .. is there any way to reset that drive without rebooting the box it is in ? |
| 09:29.49 | peterS | fireba11: you can't mount a tape drive - what in the world *are* you doing with it? |
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| 09:30.38 | fireba11 | peterS: nothing .. was working fine on thursday .. i suspect either the tape drve is dead or got hung up somehow ... |
| 09:30.50 | ruser | mmm, is there a way to install memtest86 rather then have it fetch grub... and change my boot loader? |
| 09:30.54 | peterS | fireba11: well since you can't mount a tape drive, and you say you mounted it, clearly you aren't using Linux |
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| 09:31.03 | fireba11 | peterS er ... |
| 09:31.04 | jm_ | ruser: yes |
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| 09:31.43 | fireba11 | peterS: i'm using bacula and it uses the mount command in the interface no matter what media .. don't know what it is really doing with the tape :-) |
| 09:31.46 | ruser | oh, crap i'm way too tired, sorry about that, it was just suggesting grub.. |
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| 09:32.00 | jm_ | yeah it's just a Suggestion |
| 09:32.27 | fireba11 | peterS: 3901 open device failed: ERR=dev.c:289 stored: unable to open device /dev/nst0: ERR=Input/output error |
| 09:32.39 | peterS | fireba11: oh. I'm not sure how to reset an arbitrary scsi device (I think there's a way) but you might be able to effect this by unloading and reloading the st kernel module |
| 09:33.01 | fireba11 | peterS: fine with me .. can you tell me how to do that ? |
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| 09:33.11 | vasundhar | where does apt-get put the downloaded files? |
| 09:33.17 | jm_ | man apt-get |
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| 09:33.31 | peterS | fireba11: modprobe -r st; modprobe st |
| 09:34.04 | vasundhar | Did jm_ |
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| 09:34.11 | peterS | fireba11: *possibly* sg_turs from the sg-utils package would do something useful. I don't know much about sg stuff at all |
| 09:34.46 | ruser | jm_ thanks |
| 09:35.10 | peterS | fireba11: or sg_reset from the sg3-utils package |
| 09:35.24 | fireba11 | peterS: gave no error but no change either |
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| 09:36.31 | KeX_WorX | hi |
| 09:36.42 | vasundhar | Thanks jm_ I got it /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ |
| 09:36.43 | KeX_WorX | anyone set up horde imp on a debian box ? |
| 09:36.49 | fireba11 | peterS: getting sg3-utils now |
| 09:37.30 | crashbg[work] | how can i change the squirrelmail language? i've set my locale and the language in Options but it still stays in English |
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| 09:39.00 | jm_ | vasundhar: right |
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| 09:39.24 | vovka | hey |
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| 09:39.32 | vovka | i just install debian =) |
| 09:39.45 | vovka | and try to compile vsftpd |
| 09:39.48 | vovka | for example |
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| 09:39.54 | vovka | got error - cannot find -lcap |
| 09:39.56 | peterS | vovka: you can do that but it's easier just to get debian's version |
| 09:40.01 | SlammerXP | vovka: well, for the first part, you have out permission to do so. |
| 09:40.04 | peterS | vovka: like 'aptitude install vsftpd' |
| 09:40.09 | SlammerXP | vovka: for the second part, why would you want to? |
| 09:40.22 | SlammerXP | s/out/our/ |
| 09:40.29 | vovka | peter: is it allways best way to get deb ? |
| 09:40.51 | peterS | vovka: pretty much always. there are special cases, like when you need to add some custom patch |
| 09:40.52 | sep | vovka, yes unlesss you have some very spesific needs, and then you'd know why |
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| 09:41.20 | DamnYouRon | hey what's the reconfiguration tool for XWindow? |
| 09:41.21 | peterS | vovka: it's certainly a lot easier to use 'aptitude install vsftpd' than downloading source, installing dependencies, compiling it, installing it |
| 09:41.30 | peterS | DamnYouRon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 09:42.18 | DamnYouRon | I have replaced my old USB mouse with a PS/2 one and X won't start, says Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device. Would X reconfigure fix it? |
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| 09:42.44 | peterS | vovka: btw, in the present case, to get -lcap you'd want to install the package 'libcap-dev'. that's a common pattern. but as we said, there's normally not much point in compiling your own of something like vsftpd that's already provided in debian |
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| 09:42.55 | peterS | DamnYouRon: it should |
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| 09:43.04 | peterS | DamnYouRon: you can tell it to use /dev/psaux instead of /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:44.06 | DamnYouRon | in xorg.conf ? |
| 09:44.11 | DamnYouRon | or at reconfigure? |
| 09:44.21 | peterS | DamnYouRon: well, either. but normally you just use the reconfigure thing |
| 09:44.38 | peterS | DamnYouRon: xorg.conf only exists if you are running something newer than debian stable, though |
| 09:44.52 | peterS | DamnYouRon: in which case the reconfigure command is 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 09:45.22 | DamnYouRon | ok i guess mine is stable Sarge |
| 09:45.28 | DamnYouRon | so i will use the xfree86 thing |
| 09:45.28 | vovka | ok |
| 09:45.36 | vovka | aptitude is great 8) |
| 09:45.41 | vovka | i use ssh 8) |
| 09:46.08 | vovka | debian seems much better then redhat like linux's 8) |
| 09:46.18 | peterS | vovka: well, that's our opinion around here, certainly |
| 09:46.56 | falkon | I think alsa-oss is officially bunk |
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| 09:47.12 | peterS | falkon: still no luck with audacity? |
| 09:47.14 | DamnYouRon | thanks a lot i go try |
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| 09:47.25 | falkon | peterS: none. the problem is clearly oss emulation |
| 09:48.03 | falkon | peterS: if I set output to OSS in xmms, I get the same problem. No sound, song speed going at 5x normal rate |
| 09:48.06 | peterS | falkon: strange that an app such as audacity doesn't have a way to use alsa directly. that surprises me. (or that there's no *obvious* way to set that.) |
| 09:48.35 | falkon | peterS: they're really lame. they don't actually support it natively yet |
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| 09:48.53 | falkon | looks like I'll be using a windows box for audio editing |
| 09:49.27 | peterS | falkon: well, use 'apt-cache search' a bit to see if any other audio editing apps seem reasonable. I have no idea what's available or how well it works, since I don't do any audio work myself |
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| 09:50.04 | falkon | peterS: I've been through them all: rezound, ecawave, sweep, glame. All have the same problem |
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| 09:50.10 | peterS | oh ok |
| 09:50.20 | falkon | peterS: it stems from audio output through OSS emulation |
| 09:50.30 | peterS | and none of them seem able to do alsa natively? |
| 09:50.36 | falkon | peterS: nope |
| 09:50.40 | peterS | weird |
| 09:50.49 | falkon | actually I take that back |
| 09:51.02 | falkon | glame had the option to set alsa_out, but it didn't work |
| 09:51.11 | peterS | I guess if they can talk to JACK and the jack libraries eventually sort out their version conflicts, that'd be good |
| 09:51.12 | falkon | how tragic |
| 09:51.31 | peterS | since jack is actually intended for that type of use |
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| 09:52.06 | falkon | peterS: the egg is the downfall. it's a vicious cycle of chasing dependencies or searching through constant posts of people asking the same questions with no answers |
| 09:52.26 | falkon | I have NO IDEA WTF is going on with JACK |
| 09:52.52 | vovka | 8-( |
| 09:52.58 | peterS | falkon: you're certainly not the first to get hit by the rather inflexible way jackd and the jack client libraries have to move in lockstep with each other |
| 09:53.08 | falkon | libbio2jack0: Depends: libjack0.80.0-0 (>= 0.99.0) but it is not installable |
| 09:53.18 | peterS | falkon: that's the basic problem - an old libjack can't talk to a new jackd, or vice versa, so everything jack-related in debian really has to be upgraded all at once |
| 09:53.21 | falkon | I have libjack0.100.0-0 installed |
| 09:53.34 | caphuso | uhm, libjack0.80 >= 0.99? |
| 09:53.45 | falkon | hell if I know |
| 09:53.49 | caphuso | that looks weird... |
| 09:53.49 | ircdevil | brilleabe |
| 09:54.06 | peterS | falkon: until the jack stuff stabilises somewhat, so that everything in debian *does* have compatible versions of that stuff, it'll be painful like now |
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| 09:54.23 | peterS | caphuso: presumably libjack *was* ABI-compatible between version 0.80 and version 0.99, but not since then |
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| 09:56.18 | falkon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.21 | falkon | let me try this |
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| 09:59.25 | ski | where/how to configure sound card (for alsa, i assume) ? |
| 09:59.38 | jm_ | ski: /msg dpkg alsa for morons |
| 10:00.17 | ski | ty |
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| 10:02.21 | ski | sorry for being newbie, but how to remove kernal modules (or indeed see which are loaded) ? |
| 10:02.32 | jm_ | lsmod, rmmod |
| 10:02.32 | pumpkin0 | lsmod and rmmod |
| 10:02.36 | ircdevil | !noob |
| 10:02.36 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 10:03.04 | ircdevil | :o) |
| 10:03.04 | Kevin` | so true is that |
| 10:03.19 | falkon | peterS: well, libbio2jack is officially screwed, and it's only available from marillat |
| 10:03.34 | xask | hello ppl , how do i add a module during installation of debian |
| 10:03.49 | shadowcat | xask: the simple answer is |
| 10:03.50 | shadowcat | you don't |
| 10:03.54 | peterS | falkon: something needed by a debian package but which is only available from marillat sounds like a pretty bad bug |
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| 10:04.15 | xask | shadowcat: how do i make it detect my SATA hd |
| 10:04.28 | falkon | peterS: no kidding, eh |
| 10:04.30 | shadowcat | haven't you been asking this for 48 hours |
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| 10:04.44 | xask | who me ? |
| 10:05.26 | Shadowcat | yes you |
| 10:05.27 | sep | xask, alt+f2 and try to load the module there. if your sata is ich7 based you need to use a unofficial sarge installer with newer kernel, or do a chroot install |
| 10:05.35 | falkon | peterS: ima try getting and compiling from source |
| 10:05.43 | Shadowcat | I remember someone bugging this channel bout sata |
| 10:05.46 | xask | sep, thanks |
| 10:05.48 | Shadowcat | about* |
| 10:05.51 | peterS | falkon: good luck, it doesn't sound easy |
| 10:06.00 | Shadowcat | xask: none of which, I may add, is an easy thing to pull off |
| 10:06.16 | sep | !tell xask about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 10:06.20 | peterS | falkon: you might get a head start on this by doing 'apt-cache showsrc audacity | grep Build-Depends' so you know what development packages you are likely to need installed |
| 10:06.43 | falkon | eh, I'll get it |
| 10:07.03 | xask | Shadowcat: the installation DID detect SATA using linux26 on an Intel x86 machine |
| 10:07.13 | xask | but fails on an AMD 64 |
| 10:07.35 | sep | xask, probably wildy different chipsets and therfor not compareable at all |
| 10:08.01 | xask | sep, http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/%20for%20sarge/amd64 -- page does not exist |
| 10:08.05 | va_ | i want to downgrade from mysql-server4.0 to mysql-server3.23 on sarge. I plan to purge mysql-server, download 3.23 from http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/misc/mysql-server and install it by hand. Will i go wrong somewhere? |
| 10:08.20 | hammerabi | !+info mysql-server sarge |
| 10:08.21 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:08.26 | jm_ | va_: oldstable? why? |
| 10:08.29 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3560 kB, Installed size: 8344 kB |
| 10:08.51 | sep | xask are you doing this on purpose ??!! |
| 10:08.53 | va_ | jm_: i have a site which runs on another server with 3.23 but not on my server |
| 10:09.13 | jm_ | va_: and it won't work with 4.0? |
| 10:09.37 | xask | sep, no please, i really want to install debian on my AMD 64 bit machine and i need help |
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| 10:10.01 | va_ | jm_: it does'nt. i'm not sure why, i didn't write it and don't know alot about php... |
| 10:10.17 | sep | xask, no sane persons have whitespace in their url. the address is "http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/" not "http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/%20for%20sarge/amd64" |
| 10:10.33 | va_ | so i guess i'll try to run with the same software versions |
| 10:10.55 | xask | sep, really sorry |
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| 10:12.06 | sep | xask, ill live. it's soon lunch |
| 10:12.25 | jm_ | va_: you can always rebuild it yourself if it fails |
| 10:12.31 | peppet | va_, is php version the same on both sites? |
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| 10:13.20 | va_ | my php is 4.3.10-16 and the working one is 4.3.10 |
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| 10:14.09 | va_ | in phpinfo() output, all the *api values are identical |
| 10:14.24 | peppet | va_, same php.ini too? |
| 10:14.27 | teufel | I have two different computers that I want to connect to via FTP that are behind a firewall. I can only port forward to one of them... how can I connect to the other? |
| 10:14.48 | va_ | peppet: not sure, can i see it with phpinfo() ? |
| 10:15.01 | fireba11 | teufel: just forward another port ? |
| 10:15.49 | hammerabi | or not use ftp |
| 10:15.50 | teufel | but I thought ftp could only be port 21 or whatever it is |
| 10:15.58 | fireba11 | teufel: nope |
| 10:16.15 | Guerin | ftp can be active or passive |
| 10:16.21 | Guerin | active needs both 20 and 21 open |
| 10:16.25 | va_ | ooh, turns out i do have access to the remote php.ini. I'll try to copy it to my server. |
| 10:16.44 | Guerin | passive needs 20 and some other random port open |
| 10:16.57 | teufel | so I can just open whatever that random other port is? |
| 10:16.57 | Guerin | teufel: in this case, the plan is simply to not use ftp |
| 10:17.07 | Guerin | teufel: do you control the ftpd? |
| 10:17.13 | teufel | yes |
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| 10:17.43 | Guerin | teufel: then you can define what port range it uses to make outbound connections for passive, and open that port range on your client machines |
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| 10:18.07 | teufel | ah, so just look in the ftpd config file? |
| 10:18.23 | Guerin | teufel: FAR better idea to just use scp |
| 10:18.39 | peterS | messia: limit that to one channel, please (: |
| 10:18.43 | teufel | what is scp? |
| 10:18.53 | messia | peppet, pardon |
| 10:18.55 | peterS | teufel: the remote file copy program that comes with ssh |
| 10:19.05 | messia | I can doing that on another server tab |
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| 10:19.19 | messia | I ignore that habve effect also on this tab |
| 10:19.22 | teufel | ah, so like ftp but more secure or whatever? |
| 10:19.27 | peterS | l'ho visto (: |
| 10:19.52 | peterS | teufel: you can think of it as a ftp replacement which is quite secure if used correctly, yes |
| 10:19.55 | messia | peterS, :D |
| 10:20.30 | teufel | I'll look into it, thanks |
| 10:20.44 | teufel | where is the file that you can change to set your static IP address at again? |
| 10:20.57 | peterS | teufel: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:20.58 | dondelelcaro | teufel: /etc/network/interfaces; man 5 interfaces |
| 10:21.09 | teufel | thank you /bow |
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| 10:21.38 | Guerin | teufel: and scp also doesn't have any of the port forwarding hassles which come with ftp |
| 10:22.09 | peterS | true, it's significantly more NAT-friendly |
| 10:22.21 | teufel | how does it bypass the router? |
| 10:22.24 | peterS | and any-other-tunnel-friendly |
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| 10:22.38 | peterS | it doesn't bypass it, it just doesn't require anything special of the router |
| 10:22.42 | peterS | like ftp does |
| 10:23.09 | learnfromscratch | i have a line in /etc/network/interface as " iface eth1 inet dhcp" ... i want to make it as static ip.. so what should i do.. ? |
| 10:23.19 | Frosted | yea, ftp is to sftp as sip is to iax :P |
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| 10:23.26 | pumpkin0 | " iface eth1 inet dhcp" => " iface eth1 inet static" |
| 10:23.37 | peterS | learnfromscratch: 'man 5 interfaces' and be enlightened |
| 10:23.45 | peterS | learnfromscratch: it has some good examples in it |
| 10:23.58 | Guerin | teufel: scp requires a client to connect to a server on one port. No server -> client connection, no multiple ports, no random ports. Easy. |
| 10:24.02 | Guerin | And encrypted. |
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| 10:24.46 | Frosted | sftp is perfect, except on low end hardware or if you upload/download small files alot |
| 10:25.07 | peterS | Frosted: if you do that, use ssh 4.1 with persistent connections |
| 10:25.16 | Shadowcat | Frosted: ftp over ssl |
| 10:25.21 | peterS | Frosted: or if you can't upgrade to 4.1, use fsh |
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| 10:25.26 | teufel | Guerin: sounds like quite the update, thanks again |
| 10:25.43 | Andy0516 | can anyone in here help out with webmin..... i have installed it but get a 403 error when i try to load the page! |
| 10:26.20 | SlayerXP | Andy0516: do you know what a 403 error is? |
| 10:26.32 | Andy0516 | forbidden page |
| 10:26.41 | peterS | I'm so glad ssh 4.1 included that feature to obsolete fsh. the latter worked, sometimes, but was a pain when it didn't |
| 10:26.45 | teufel | so do you have to change it to eth0-home if you are doing static/ |
| 10:26.54 | peterS | teufel: no |
| 10:26.57 | SlayerXP | Andy0516: so, what does that suggest to you? |
| 10:27.08 | Andy0516 | its forbidden - but i don't know why!! |
| 10:27.22 | Guerin | SlayerXP: Caution: Unit May Malfunction If Required To Think |
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| 10:27.32 | Guerin | Andy0516: allow it |
| 10:27.43 | SlayerXP | Andy0516: so configure apache to allow it. |
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| 10:27.51 | peterS | the webmin maintainer just publicly washed his hands of all things webmin. a great day for debian. |
| 10:28.00 | SlayerXP | peterS: url? |
| 10:28.00 | Guerin | peterS: eh? |
| 10:28.03 | Guerin | yeh |
| 10:28.06 | Guerin | this I gotta see |
| 10:28.33 | peterS | Guerin,SlayerXP: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 10:28.46 | fireba11 | anyone knows how to reset a scsi drive/controller without rebooting ? my tape seems to be stuck |
| 10:28.59 | Guerin | fireba11: remove and reinserting the modules might work |
| 10:29.04 | Guerin | if you can make it happen |
| 10:29.07 | peterS | fireba11: sg_reset didn't work? |
| 10:29.11 | fireba11 | Guerin: nope .treid already |
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| 10:29.25 | fireba11 | peterS: sg_reset only tells me it got i/o error ^^ |
| 10:29.31 | SlayerXP | peterS: woohooo! |
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| 10:30.15 | Guerin | this is a great day for debian! |
| 10:30.25 | peterS | SlayerXP: well, unless you want to adopt those packages. in which case I shall throw two tomatoes at you, overripe. |
| 10:30.30 | Guerin | isn't jaldhar vyas the current perl pumpkin holder as well? |
| 10:30.42 | peterS | not that I know of |
| 10:30.59 | SlayerXP | nope, I'd sooner adopt a political opinion |
| 10:31.14 | peterS | I don't keep track of such things but the last pumpking I recall is Gurusamy Sarathy |
| 10:31.27 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 10:31.35 | ski | so alsaconf doesn't recognise my sound card (which is Creative Sound Blaster PCI64), so i guess i'll have to download a driver from somewhere .. ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/alsa/driver/ shows many versions, should i get alsa-driver-1.0.5.tar.gz ? (i assume this includes driver for my card .. though i somehow expected separate files for separate cards) |
| 10:31.36 | Guerin | istr reading it someplace |
| 10:31.48 | Guerin | but hell, all them ayshun names sound the same |
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| 10:32.08 | peterS | Guerin: you could ask jaldhar yourself, he's on irc (: |
| 10:32.12 | jm_ | ski: what does lspci say? |
| 10:32.45 | Guerin | peterS: ECBA |
| 10:32.55 | peterS | E? |
| 10:33.01 | Guerin | !cba |
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| 10:33.02 | dpkg | can't be arsed |
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| 10:33.08 | jm_ | ERROR :) |
| 10:33.27 | peterS | yeah but who's E? |
| 10:33.42 | Guerin | peterS: EREADYOURSTRACEOUTPUT |
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| 10:33.57 | peterS | oh that E |
| 10:33.57 | ski | jm_ : i assume this is the relevant line '0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI]' ? |
| 10:34.13 | Guerin | oo, es1370, mah fayvurt |
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| 10:34.24 | peterS | ski: certainly should be supported by standard kernels |
| 10:34.39 | ski | so, i'm doing something wrong, i guess |
| 10:34.49 | jm_ | ski: right, ALSA supports that as I am using it right now |
| 10:34.53 | peterS | ski: I'm guessing if you 'modprobe snd-ens1370' it will magically work |
| 10:34.54 | jm_ | load snd_ens1371 |
| 10:34.58 | ski | alsaconf doesn't regoc. it |
| 10:35.03 | ski | hm, will try |
| 10:35.20 | peterS | ski: if it does, just add a line 'snd-ens1370' to /etc/modules so that this will happen automatically next time you boot |
| 10:35.25 | jm_ | actually mine says Ensoniq |
| 10:35.27 | ski | (er, should i try the 'load' or the 'modprobe' first ?) |
| 10:35.35 | pumpkin0 | modprobe |
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| 10:35.58 | fireba11 | okay .. anyone know another way to reset a scsi device other than reloading kernel module ? sg_reset seems not working but maybe i didn't use it correctly .. |
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| 10:36.08 | ski | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-ens1370 |
| 10:36.15 | jm_ | ski: try snd-ens1371 |
| 10:36.26 | peterS | ski: oh, what kernel version? 'uname -r' |
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| 10:36.45 | peterS | ens1370 and ens1371 are definitely distinct drivers for the kernels I know about |
| 10:36.53 | ski | jm_ : same |
| 10:36.58 | ski | peterS : 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 10:37.24 | peterS | ski: oh, so you also need to install the 'alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386' package |
| 10:37.34 | ski | ah, will do |
| 10:37.53 | peterS | ski: at which time 'alsaconf' will probably work too (: |
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| 10:39.15 | jm_ | looks like ALSA indeed splits it into two |
| 10:39.32 | seeds | hello is it possible to repair debian using a knoppix cd? |
| 10:39.43 | Guerin | !possible |
| 10:39.44 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 10:39.44 | peterS | seeds: usually yes |
| 10:39.47 | dondelelcaro | seeds: in general, yes. But it really depends what the problem is. |
| 10:40.11 | peterS | seeds: you can repair anything with a knoppix cd, except Mac OS X |
| 10:40.24 | jm_ | opr Windows XP :P |
| 10:40.29 | seeds | k |
| 10:40.34 | peterS | windows xp is kinda beyond repair though |
| 10:40.36 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: possible =~ s/others./others. Some things are even plausible!/ |
| 10:40.37 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 10:40.58 | svwaid | amd64 etch, when gdm tries to load only an outline of the login window is there, the keyboard becomes unresponsive, and the network is dropped, relevant hardware, ati x200 |
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| 10:40.58 | seeds | well debian won't boot. i get open_sock hardware not found |
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| 10:41.11 | svwaid | errors about fonts as well |
| 10:41.18 | dondelelcaro | peterS: sure you can... just install Debian on it.. instant repair. |
| 10:41.32 | peterS | dondelelcaro: that's more like recycling |
| 10:41.45 | jm_ | svwaid: are keyboard LED-s blinking? |
| 10:41.53 | peterS | dondelelcaro: and how dare you suggest that one can install debian using knoppix. what kinda channel do you think we're trying to run here? |
| 10:42.11 | ski | alsaconf found ens1370 .. and it asks whether i want to modify /etc/modutils/sound .. what would that mean ? |
| 10:42.18 | svwaid | jm_,no but when i hit caps lock or num lock no lights |
| 10:42.21 | peterS | ski: just nod and smile |
| 10:42.27 | jm_ | ski: go with the default if you don't know |
| 10:42.27 | seeds | so is there a command to type when am booting up to bypass that open sock problem |
| 10:42.44 | jm_ | svwaid: sounds like kernel panic |
| 10:42.45 | dondelelcaro | seeds: what is the exact error message you're getting? what preceeds that error message? |
| 10:43.04 | svwaid | kernel panic during gdm?? |
| 10:43.12 | ski | jm_ : and what is the default, then ? |
| 10:43.15 | seeds | open_sock hardware not found |
| 10:43.25 | jm_ | ski: does it say Y/n? |
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| 10:43.37 | ski | no |
| 10:43.45 | seeds | and nothing happens after |
| 10:43.57 | ski | it says < Yes > < No > |
| 10:44.05 | pumpkin0 | ski: YES |
| 10:44.07 | dondelelcaro | !8ball |
| 10:44.14 | peppet | ski, press enter |
| 10:44.18 | peterS | seeds: well, what's just *before* that? that's what don (and I) wants to know. that would provide a clue of what is causing the error |
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| 10:44.31 | seeds | could it be a line in the fstab that is incorrect? |
| 10:44.45 | teufel | how do you restart the internet connection again? isn't it ifdown eth0 |
| 10:44.46 | teufel | ? |
| 10:44.55 | ski | so, i don't see anyone marked to denote default (Expect of course the first option is selected .. but it seems one must be selected at a time with that interface) |
| 10:44.56 | peterS | teufel: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:45.05 | ski | peppet : ok, will do :) |
| 10:45.06 | seeds | something about end line in fstab is faulty i think |
| 10:45.07 | peterS | teufel: 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0' also works |
| 10:45.16 | dondelelcaro | damnit... the 8ball has been broken. |
| 10:45.25 | jm_ | ski: just say yes then |
| 10:45.27 | peterS | someone 8 it |
| 10:45.48 | teufel | peterS: weird when I do ifdown eth0 i get ifdown interface eth0 not configured |
| 10:45.50 | dondelelcaro | seeds: unlikely. You should have another message, something like panic() could not mount rootfs on vfs... |
| 10:46.03 | peterS | ski: files in /etc/modutils/ are for configuring kernel module loading, in this case so that the right alsa modules load automatically when they are requested |
| 10:46.05 | dondelelcaro | seeds: and anyway, the fstab isn't read until you've already booted. |
| 10:46.05 | seeds | no it does not say panic |
| 10:46.10 | seeds | ok |
| 10:46.14 | Diazepam | guys is it possible to create a soft link across two remote computers using ssh as the link? |
| 10:46.19 | peterS | teufel: so it's already down, now ifup eth0 |
| 10:46.20 | dondelelcaro | Diazepam: no. |
| 10:46.28 | peterS | teufel: or perhaps eth0 isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:46.43 | jm_ | Diazepam: try FUSE |
| 10:46.47 | ski | peterS : ok, ty |
| 10:46.50 | seeds | maybe i should reinstall debian |
| 10:46.53 | teufel | peterS: meh, it's ok I just used inti.d thanks |
| 10:46.55 | hammerabi | Diazepam: you could use something evil like nfs-over-ssh |
| 10:47.04 | dondelelcaro | seeds: that won't help; you've got a problem with the pcmcia modules, most likely. |
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| 10:47.06 | peterS | that *is* evil |
| 10:47.07 | Diazepam | jm: FUSE okay |
| 10:47.13 | Diazepam | whats so evil about it |
| 10:47.16 | jsz | Ive forgotten how to extract .bz2 |
| 10:47.17 | peterS | and it sounds very nontrivial, given the complexity of the NFS server setup |
| 10:47.18 | dondelelcaro | seeds: start up with init=/bin/bash; and disable the pcmcia moduleus. |
| 10:47.20 | dondelelcaro | jsz: bzip2 -d |
| 10:47.27 | jsz | tar - something |
| 10:47.33 | seeds | ok. i will do that. thnx |
| 10:47.35 | dondelelcaro | jsz: man tar; read about -j |
| 10:47.35 | Guerin | won't be doing THAT again |
| 10:47.50 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: can you say *slow*? I knew you could... |
| 10:47.54 | peterS | Guerin: you actually got it to work? you're more man than I am |
| 10:47.55 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hell yeah |
| 10:47.57 | ski | (a few 'depmod: *** Unresolved symbols ..' when update-modules .. i hope those are not critical ..) |
| 10:47.58 | Guerin | and unstable too |
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| 10:48.24 | Diazepam | all: so is FUSE the only real alternative apart from setting up a fully fledged VPN? |
| 10:48.26 | Guerin | the worst bit it waiting for the sync |
| 10:48.28 | hammerabi | ski: they are if it happens when you're running a kernel you hope the modules will work with |
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| 10:48.37 | dondelelcaro | Diazepam: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 10:48.38 | hammerabi | Diazepam: no, fuse and a vpn are orthogonal |
| 10:48.47 | seeds | so booting up that way i will get into debian? |
| 10:48.50 | Guerin | Diazepam: can'y you just copy the file across? |
| 10:48.55 | dondelelcaro | seeds: yes. |
| 10:49.00 | goron | I installed all the foomatic-db packages.... but Cups is not seeing them. Also it doesn't list the device of my printer. I switched to udev when this horror started. |
| 10:49.06 | ski | hammerabi : hm, didn't understand that |
| 10:49.08 | peterS | Diazepam: a real vpn isn't all that hard to set up anyway. I haven't tried openvpn, but tinc (which is considered less secure) took me about half an hour including reading all the necessary docs |
| 10:49.34 | peterS | Diazepam: so maybe openvpn is harder but I bet it isn't that much harder, if any |
| 10:49.53 | goron | So I don't have /dev/parport0 |
| 10:50.13 | peterS | goron: are you running 'udev'? do you have the 'parport_pc' kernel module loaded? |
| 10:50.27 | peterS | (those are both yes/no questions, I'm not telling you you *should* do both, yet) |
| 10:50.49 | Guerin | once there are a few more remote roots in 2.6.12 |
| 10:50.58 | peterS | yay for remote roots |
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| 10:51.11 | goron | peterS: parport_pc 37700 0 |
| 10:51.15 | peterS | handy for getting access to your headless box when you forget your password |
| 10:51.18 | Diazepam | Peter S: I have set up a few VPNs under linux but am looking for a hack that will allow me to share one directory (like creating an offsite vurtual drive) |
| 10:51.27 | Diazepam | virtual |
| 10:51.34 | goron | peterS: so that's a yes. |
| 10:51.54 | peterS | Diazepam: you can tunnel other stuff through ssh with no problem, just not as transparently as mounting a filesystem. so like you can run custom tar scripts and stuff, piping tarfiles through ssh, that kind of thing works great |
| 10:52.00 | goron | peterS: In dmesg it is detected: parport0: Printer, EPSON Stylus C60 |
| 10:52.17 | peterS | goron: ok and are you running udev? not that you necessarily should be, I just wonder |
| 10:52.39 | goron | peterS: Well, udev is installed I didn't edit any files of udev |
| 10:52.46 | Diazepam | Peter S: yeah thats sounds the go. I wanted to set something up like the software you can use under windows that mounts your GMAIL account as a virtual drive |
| 10:53.06 | jm_ | Guerin: or alternatively, compile your own kernel |
| 10:53.18 | jsz | how do I change console font color to green? |
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| 10:53.29 | jm_ | jsz: man setterm |
| 10:53.43 | peterS | Diazepam: oh, your other option is called the 'fish' protocol and I think there's some support for that sort of thing in the KDE file/web browser konqueror. but it's not a "real" mount, just a virtual filesystem thing handled at the application layer. GNOME Nautilus might have a fish module too |
| 10:53.46 | goron | peterS: also, now my printer uses C60 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.0-rc2 |
| 10:53.56 | ski | jm_,peterS,pumpkin0,hammerabi : thanks a lot for the help, i've got the sound running now :) |
| 10:54.00 | goron | peterS: But I want the Gimp-print driver, which has always worked. |
| 10:54.05 | peterS | Diazepam: fish is basically a way to tunnel arbitrary filesystem operations over ssh |
| 10:54.16 | peterS | ski: w00t |
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| 10:54.40 | Guerin | jm_: what, are you crazy? |
| 10:54.47 | ski | (hm, btw, why does '/msg dpkg alsa for morons' say i should disable sound servers after running alsaconf (haven't done the latter) ?) |
| 10:54.50 | Diazepam | Peter S: yeah i have just taken a look at fish while talking with you guys - it looks like it works well. Integrated into Konqueror... |
| 10:55.08 | peterS | ski: sound servers are *generally* unnecessary with alsa, just get in the way and add latency |
| 10:55.10 | jm_ | Guerin: it's not that hard |
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| 10:55.21 | peterS | ski: so normally they're just excess baggage once you have alsa up and going |
| 10:55.23 | Guerin | ski: sound servers such as arts and esd interfere with the operation of your sound device |
| 10:55.29 | beanz | Which package do I need to reconfigure to create /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 10:55.29 | Guerin | jm_: man sarcasm |
| 10:55.37 | hammerabi | beanz: nano |
| 10:55.38 | Guerin | jm_: nah, I'm just too lazy, really. |
| 10:55.43 | hammerabi | does alsa in sid do dmix by default yet? |
| 10:55.48 | beanz | hammerabi: no, that's a text editor |
| 10:55.53 | Guerin | hammerabi: suck it and see |
| 10:55.58 | jm_ | Guerin: ohh ;) |
| 10:55.59 | hammerabi | hah |
| 10:56.02 | Guerin | beanz: no, really. |
| 10:56.06 | goron | peterS: what can I do further? |
| 10:56.10 | beanz | Guerin: no. |
| 10:56.11 | hammerabi | beanz: you edit it manually, or let your dhcp client do it |
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| 10:56.23 | ski | and how do i know if a sound server is running ? |
| 10:56.27 | Guerin | beanz: ok. If you know, then go out and find it. |
| 10:56.38 | tosh_ | im trying to configure a smart relay host so that all mail that is sent is routed through that mailgateway, so I added the ipaddress to the DS line in sendmail.cf, so now I have DS1.2.3.4 but it doesn't seem to be working (nagios is still using my dmz machine using nslookup). how do I properly test this? |
| 10:56.40 | peterS | goron: unfortunately (well, fortunately for me...) I don't have udev installed, so I can't poke around its configuration and determine why it doesn't create parport0 when parport_pc detects a port |
| 10:56.47 | jm_ | ski: they probably aren't as you had no sound support in kernel until now |
| 10:56.51 | beanz | hammerabi: that's not my question. my question is what package owns /etc/resolv.conf - I want to run dpkg-reconfigure PackageName to get the file. |
| 10:56.52 | peppet | ski, lsof|grep dsp |
| 10:57.11 | Guerin | tosh_: #sendmail; seriously consider using exim4 or postfix |
| 10:57.12 | peterS | beanz: there exists the package resolvconf but it's kind of a mess |
| 10:57.20 | mosty | beanz, use the search engine at http://packages.debian.org |
| 10:57.22 | Guerin | beanz: dpkg -S |
| 10:57.34 | tosh_ | Guerin sendmail is idle-ville and an exim migration will be the first thing for january 2006 |
| 10:57.36 | beanz | mosty: I did. It didn't return anything, so I came here. |
| 10:57.39 | hammerabi | beanz: my anser is that there none |
| 10:57.43 | peterS | Guerin: resolv.conf isn't owned by any package, because it's generated at install time rather than shipped directly |
| 10:57.46 | goron | peterS: the /dev/usb/lp0 *is* created, (since I have the printer plugged in to two different ports) |
| 10:57.47 | peppet | ski, ops, fuser /dev/dsp |
| 10:57.50 | beanz | hammerabi: so what program creates it initially? |
| 10:57.54 | Guerin | peterS: ok. |
| 10:57.55 | hammerabi | beanz: the installer |
| 10:57.56 | peterS | goron: there's your workaround :/ |
| 10:58.05 | goron | peterS: Not really. |
| 10:58.09 | beanz | hammerabi: base-setup doesn't offer it as an option. Do you mean something else? |
| 10:58.20 | goron | peterS: Since in Cups only Virtual Printer PDF device comes up. |
| 10:58.20 | Guerin | beanz: really... just edit the thing. Why are you making it harder? |
| 10:58.28 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 10:58.31 | peterS | goron: normally you communicate with a printer via /dev/lp0 not /dev/parport0. does udev create lp0? |
| 10:58.34 | ski | peppet : no output (but if i s/dsp/esd/ i get a lot of lines) |
| 10:58.35 | Guerin | etherconf might fuck with it |
| 10:58.37 | peterS | (they're not quite the same thing) |
| 10:58.42 | goron | peterS: no |
| 10:58.42 | hammerabi | did I say base-setup? I don't know which installer component makes it. |
| 10:58.44 | beanz | Guerin: I want an answer to my question, that's all. |
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| 10:58.56 | Guerin | beanz: you've had several. |
| 10:58.59 | beanz | Guerin: the answer will be useful in the future. |
| 10:59.07 | ski | anyway, thanks good folks |
| 10:59.08 | peterS | goron: if you weren't running udev I'd say 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV parport' but I think MAKEDEV automatically bails out if it detects that udev is running |
| 10:59.09 | beanz | Guerin: and all of them have been less than useful so far |
| 10:59.14 | Guerin | beanz: the first answer you got trumps all other possible answers. |
| 10:59.37 | beanz | Guerin: the first answer answered a different question. great. |
| 10:59.37 | jm_ | yeah it does, it also does that if you remove udev and don't reboot, kinda annoying ;) |
| 10:59.47 | beanz | Does anybody actually know? |
| 10:59.57 | Guerin | beanz: i mentioned etherconf above. |
| 10:59.57 | mosty | beanz, the installer creates it, it's not owned by a package |
| 10:59.59 | hammerabi | beanz: no Debian package owns it, there is no debconfage to fiddle with it. |
| 11:00.05 | beanz | Guerin: I didn't see that. Thanks. |
| 11:00.09 | peppet | ski, if esd is running, fuser /dev/dsp must display it's pid |
| 11:00.10 | peterS | beanz: I told you about the resolvconf package. I am not sure if that appeared before or after sarge, though |
| 11:00.12 | hammerabi | beanz: if you want to know which part of d-i makes it, ask the d-i developers |
| 11:00.26 | beanz | peterS: you said it was a mess |
| 11:00.36 | Guerin | beanz: you didn't ask for good answers. |
| 11:00.49 | mosty | beanz, it's a two-line file, trivial to setup yourself |
| 11:00.51 | peterS | beanz: it is, IMHO, but it exists and theoretically you go through that package to change stuff in /etc/resolv.conf. if it's installed. |
| 11:01.03 | ski | (peppet : ok, and that latter displays nothing, so i hope no more config is needed here, now) |
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| 11:01.27 | peterS | beanz: if it's not, and you're using a DHCP client, you edit the client configuration so that when it edits resolv.conf it does what you want rather than what it wants |
| 11:01.34 | beanz | right. thanks. |
| 11:01.51 | peterS | beanz: if you aren't running DHCP, you just edit it manually with some confidence that nobody will dare to screw with you |
| 11:02.05 | peterS | of course that confidence might be misplaced if you have resolvconf installed after all |
| 11:02.34 | peterS | no, I'm not bitter about resolvconf |
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| 11:04.34 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 11:04.35 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) |
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| 11:04.51 | peterS | I didn't think of the chattr +i solution |
| 11:04.52 | peterS | that's cute |
| 11:05.02 | Guerin | peterS: the caveman approach |
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| 11:05.18 | peterS | yeah, with a 100% free software OS, it doesn't seem you'd have to resort to such underhanded hacks |
| 11:05.20 | SimonRaven | sometimes brute force is the only way |
| 11:05.21 | dondelelcaro | !fixresolveconf is also a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself. |
| 11:05.22 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 11:05.27 | seeds | hello again. how do i start debian with init=/bin/bash |
| 11:05.31 | jm_ | maybe someone should add the way to properly configure DHCP client not to mess with it there |
| 11:05.31 | peterS | like we should be able to fix things ourselves, properly. that's the theory. |
| 11:05.54 | SimonRaven | then you have to deal with brain-dead ISPs... |
| 11:06.01 | peterS | jm_: too much verbiage, it depends on the dhcp client you've got running, which in turn depends on when you installed debian |
| 11:06.10 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf is also a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 11:06.11 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 11:06.14 | dondelelcaro | bah. Just use resolvconf. |
| 11:06.15 | jm_ | peterS: maybe see also ... |
| 11:06.26 | bibe | seeds : using GRUB? |
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| 11:06.46 | peterS | Guerin: errr, that's a dupe, isn't it? |
| 11:06.48 | peterS | !fixresolvconf |
| 11:06.48 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) |
| 11:06.54 | mosty | or you could create resolv.conf from scratch as pre-up lines in your interfaces file |
| 11:06.58 | peterS | hmmm. |
| 11:06.59 | Guerin | peterS: dondelelcaro did fixresolveconf |
| 11:07.12 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: fixresolvconf =~ s/||// |
| 11:07.12 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 11:07.13 | seeds | but i don't see init=/bin/bash there |
| 11:07.14 | peterS | ahhh. well. |
| 11:07.22 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: forget fixresolveconf |
| 11:07.22 | dpkg | i forgot fixresolveconf, dondelelcaro |
| 11:07.32 | Guerin | meh |
| 11:07.36 | Guerin | you're all too fast for me |
| 11:07.52 | seeds | i see init img something |
| 11:07.52 | peterS | mosty: not 'pre-up', 'up'. or the dhcp client will still clobber you |
| 11:07.52 | hellfire | how do i solve this: i have a filesystem df output: "/dev/hda2 236466400 224673984 0 100% /mnt/hda2" and i want to fill it with one file which exactly uses all the space on the filesystem |
| 11:07.58 | Guerin | hellfire: man dd |
| 11:08.00 | bibe | seeds : you have to edit a 'kernel' line already available to GRUB, or build your own one |
| 11:08.03 | peterS | mosty: and even with 'up' you will race with the dhcp client, which is not good |
| 11:08.19 | seeds | ok |
| 11:08.24 | hellfire | guerin: ok |
| 11:08.30 | bibe | seeds : 'man grub' should help you on how to edit the GRUB command line |
| 11:08.31 | peterS | hellfire: just 'cp /dev/zero /mnt/hda2/dummy' |
| 11:08.40 | dondelelcaro | manually managing resolv.conf that way is just asking for trouble; nowdays everything should use resolvconf if it exists. |
| 11:08.41 | seeds | k |
| 11:08.42 | peterS | hellfire: it'll eventually fail with 'out of space' |
| 11:08.48 | dondelelcaro | (if it doesn't it's buggy) |
| 11:08.50 | mosty | peterS, i have a script that rotates my interfaces file, avoiding the problem |
| 11:09.03 | dondelelcaro | meh. even worse. |
| 11:09.03 | goron | Does anybody have a printer working via the parport with udev? |
| 11:09.16 | peterS | mosty: rotating your interfaces file is just *shudder*. there are debian packages for laptop network configuration |
| 11:09.23 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: why? I don't want my chosen nameservers to change, ever. |
| 11:09.25 | dondelelcaro | or just use a map. |
| 11:09.32 | pumpkin0 | which irc-server hosts the mplayer/mencoder-channel ? |
| 11:09.39 | hellfire | peters: thats an idea! |
| 11:09.42 | Guerin | pumpkin0: this one |
| 11:09.42 | mosty | peters: yeah and they all sucked or their documentation sucked when i set this up years ago |
| 11:09.50 | mosty | haven't had any issues since |
| 11:09.52 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: then specify them, and set the dhcp nameservers to the lowest priority. |
| 11:10.07 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: they'll only show up if you specify less than 3 nameservers. |
| 11:10.09 | pumpkin0 | Guerin: thx |
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| 11:10.12 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. I did try. |
| 11:10.15 | Kevin` | heh I just configure interfaces manually on my laptop |
| 11:10.15 | ZiX | is Debian better than ubuntu? |
| 11:10.20 | peterS | ZiX: yes. no. |
| 11:10.28 | dondelelcaro | ZiX: this is #debian. So yes. |
| 11:10.30 | goron | Why do I have to delete the complete gnome-desktop-environment if I want to deinstall udev? |
| 11:10.31 | ZiX | peterS: can you explain that? |
| 11:10.41 | peterS | ZiX: your question is meaningless without context |
| 11:10.42 | dondelelcaro | ZiX: ask a specific question, please. Better is too relative. |
| 11:10.48 | Guerin | !remove gnome |
| 11:10.49 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 11:10.50 | ZiX | okay, sorry. |
| 11:10.54 | peterS | ZiX: and it's unwelcome *with* context. we prefer supporting users over having holy wars |
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| 11:11.14 | ZiX | ZiX: well, does Debian have more packages than Ubuntu? |
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| 11:11.17 | goron | Guerin: I know you like to use the bot, but it's irrelevant. |
| 11:11.17 | dondelelcaro | ZiX: yes. |
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| 11:11.25 | Guerin | ZiX: 15,000 -odd more |
| 11:11.31 | peterS | ZiX: there are reasons to want to run debian and reasons to want to run ubuntu. there are web pages about these reasons. for debian's, "/msg dpkg why debian" |
| 11:11.40 | Guerin | goron: oh, I misread |
| 11:11.42 | dondelelcaro | goron: you don't, gnome-desktop-kitchensink requires hal which requires uudev. |
| 11:11.43 | Guerin | goron: sorry |
| 11:11.45 | ZiX | thanks. |
| 11:12.08 | jm_ | goron: because some bits of it depend on udev obviously |
| 11:12.10 | goron | dondelelcaro: Synaptic tells me that gnome-desktop environment needs to be installed. |
| 11:12.15 | rss | hi, there used to be an ASCII image of TUX that used come while booting up... where can I get it now? PS: googling was futile |
| 11:12.30 | dondelelcaro | goron: no, it's telling you that you asked for it to be installed, or that something else that you've installed depends on it. |
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| 11:12.32 | goron | dondelelcaro: er deinstalled |
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| 11:12.37 | Zap-W | does anyone know if 440bx mobos have 48-bit LBA addressing support? |
| 11:12.40 | peterS | rss: the 'linuxlogo' package |
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| 11:12.51 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
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| 11:12.58 | dondelelcaro | goron: yes, that's because of what I just told you. |
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| 11:13.01 | peterS | Zap-W: the motherboard itself doesn't need it, just your drives do |
| 11:13.14 | peterS | Zap-W: I've never heard of problems between the piix IDE driver and lba48 |
| 11:13.25 | netman1 | Hi All. Why is neither .bash_profile nor .profile executed, but .bashrc is, as I login through ssh to a remote host? Is there a way to debug show the called/sourced scripts on login? |
| 11:13.29 | dondelelcaro | goron: g-d-e is just a meta package anyway. Removing it is no big deal. |
| 11:13.31 | rss | peterS: Debian is COOL! |
| 11:13.34 | peterS | Zap-W: well, I guess the motherboard does need this in order to boot from a partition beyond 128 GB, but, y'know, just Don't Do That |
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| 11:13.38 | jm_ | netman1: /msg dpkg bashrc |
| 11:13.43 | dondelelcaro | netman1: man bash; read the first three paragraphs. |
| 11:13.48 | goron | dondelelcaro: ok, I thought it recursively deleted all dependencies. |
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| 11:13.56 | DwyaneWade | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.59 | dondelelcaro | netman1: (of INVOCATION) |
| 11:13.59 | hellfire | peterS: cp /dev/zero /mnt/hda2 works ! thx |
| 11:14.01 | chriswk | g |
| 11:14.12 | dondelelcaro | goron: only if you tell it to. |
| 11:14.12 | svwaid | does anyone have ati x200 working with amd64 etch? |
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| 11:14.25 | peterS | hellfire: heh, cool. should be the most efficient way to accomplish that, too, since /dev/zero requires basically no CPU or other resources |
| 11:14.36 | hellfire | peters: yep! |
| 11:14.36 | svwaid | very good! |
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| 11:14.53 | svwaid | any probs on the install with gdm coming up? |
| 11:14.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell svwaid -about anyone |
| 11:14.58 | milestone | hi all does anyone know what drbd stands for? data redundant block device? data redundancy block device? |
| 11:15.18 | mosty | milestone, could mean anything without more info |
| 11:15.33 | ZiX | alright, i'm switching back to debian |
| 11:15.36 | DwyaneWade | how to repair xserver-xfree86? |
| 11:15.39 | svwaid | not software hardeware |
| 11:15.46 | ZiX | first imma backup some stuff |
| 11:15.49 | deadcat | !drxx DwyaneWade |
| 11:15.50 | dpkg | DwyaneWade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:15.51 | Zap-W | peterS: just to boot? i hear there is a ATA Interface Limit (128 GiB / 137 GB) Barrier , maybe on controller ? |
| 11:16.19 | goron | Ok, I ditched udev. I hope it will all work out now. |
| 11:16.23 | Zap-W | and that it could corrupt data if i try to store data beyond 137 |
| 11:16.31 | netman1 | dondelelcaro: Thanks. Yes, I am a moron. Whyis a ssh login to a remote host considered 'non-interactive'? |
| 11:16.34 | DwyaneWade | dpkg: as i said, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 shows: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed . |
| 11:16.34 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, DwyaneWade |
| 11:16.42 | peterS | Zap-W: my understanding is that the controller just acts as a pass-through interface, at least as far as device addresses go. so as long as your drive and your OS know about LBA48, the piix chip doesn't have to |
| 11:16.45 | DwyaneWade | oh it's bot |
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| 11:17.08 | jm_ | and it also told you to reconfigure xserver-xorg if you're using X.org |
| 11:17.11 | dondelelcaro | netman1: depends on how you're calling ssh. |
| 11:17.14 | peterS | Zap-W: I also heard that certain IDE chips do cause problems with this but most of them just ignore such things and it works fine. |
| 11:17.25 | mosty | DwyaneWade, tried "apt-get install -f" and if that doesn't help, just purge the package and reinstall it |
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| 11:18.04 | dondelelcaro | netman1: normally it should be reading ~/.bashrc; but if you (FE) do ssh foohost barcmd; it shouldn't. |
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| 11:18.54 | peterS | dondelelcaro: <Ganneff> the point release just happened. -- announce in #debian /topic for good measure? |
| 11:19.03 | netman1 | dondelelcaro: Thanks. It does read .bashrc. What do you mean by 'FE' and 'barcmd'? |
| 11:19.17 | peterS | well, maybe wait for an actual debian-devel-announce mail.. |
| 11:19.44 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, that's what I was waiting for |
| 11:19.54 | dondelelcaro | netman1: For Example. |
| 11:19.58 | peterS | netman1: 'fe' == for example, 'barcmd' is just some arbitrary shell command you'd run through ssh. his point is that if you run a specific command through ssh, it won't execute that file |
| 11:20.25 | deadcat | cupsys gives me this : "Print file was not accepted (client-error-bad-request)!" |
| 11:20.34 | netman1 | dondelelcaro, PeterS: Thanks people, you rock. |
| 11:20.43 | deadcat | i am trying to share my printer on the desktop to the laptop |
| 11:20.47 | Guerin | deadcat: christ, are you still doing this |
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| 11:20.58 | deadcat | Guerin: should i stop? (= |
| 11:21.02 | Guerin | deadcat: find out why cupsd isn't accepting the file |
| 11:21.18 | Guerin | deadcat: I'd have thought you'd have made some progress on your own in the past five hours |
| 11:21.22 | deadcat | Guerin: it accepted 1 page. that was it |
| 11:21.24 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah I think it does |
| 11:21.43 | deadcat | Guerin: i wasnt messing with it since i talked to you. |
| 11:21.54 | peterS | dondelelcaro: 'ps $$' shows -bash as the command name, so yeah |
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| 11:22.18 | deadcat | Guerin: i was gonna go to bed but wanted to give 1 more shot before i sleep (= |
| 11:22.30 | Guerin | deadcat: almost never wise. |
| 11:22.30 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... but it may be wierd because of the "invoked by rshd exception" |
| 11:22.50 | dondelelcaro | anyway, I personally gave up on figuring that all out and .bash_profile acutally sources .bashrc here. |
| 11:22.56 | peterS | right I do the same |
| 11:23.13 | peterS | and just test for -n "$PS1" to do all my interactivey things in bashrc |
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| 11:23.48 | peterS | though I believe that's unnecessary, it's a really old habit |
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| 11:24.23 | dondelelcaro | anyway... off to locate the coffin. Localtime all. |
| 11:24.38 | peterS | localtime, don |
| 11:24.51 | SimonRaven | g'night |
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| 11:26.26 | rss | peterS: it displays only Debian swirl |
| 11:26.31 | rss | peterS: not tux |
| 11:26.36 | deadcat | i am out too. later guys |
| 11:26.44 | peterS | rss: oh right, debian made a local mod to that package. I think you can reconfigure it to get the original tux |
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| 11:27.13 | SimonRaven | debianlogo patch. reverse it |
| 11:27.19 | Zap-W | peterS: i could set the drive to NONE in the bios and still linux wouldnt have a problem using the 160GB drive ? so it really dosent matter if the bios supports 48bit lba ? |
| 11:27.26 | peterS | rss: see /etc/linux_logo.conf |
| 11:27.33 | rss | peterS: you mean a different flag? |
| 11:27.54 | rss | peterS: it can be executed through shell too right? |
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| 11:28.03 | rss | peterS: and get a preview |
| 11:28.17 | peterS | Zap-W: it matters because the bios needs to boot the OS. beyond that it doesn't matter much. linux normally asks the hardware directly, what's connected to it, it doesn't ask the bios |
| 11:28.31 | peterS | rss: yes, run 'linux_logo -L1' for example |
| 11:28.42 | peterS | or -L2 or -L3 or -L4 |
| 11:29.19 | rss | peterS: those I saw... but plain ascii tux? |
| 11:29.48 | Zap-W | peterS: but it dosent matter if it's detected as 137GB by the bios and then 160GB from linux? |
| 11:29.57 | Greek-Boy | anyone know how to get rid of a php installation by hand? |
| 11:30.01 | Greek-Boy | make uninstall doesn't do the trick |
| 11:30.02 | Greek-Boy | :( |
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| 11:30.06 | peterS | Zap-W: shouldn't matter, AIUI |
| 11:30.42 | peterS | rss: it has a -h option, you can use that to see what all it can do. you can specify your own text file for the image if you want |
| 11:31.05 | Zap-W | does linux have 48-bit lba for piix4 ? |
| 11:31.14 | rss | peterS: thanks |
| 11:31.38 | Jacobo221 | i am coming with a really strange problem with init: when i run a script in a way (rcS/S99...) everything is ok, but when i run it in another way, init will never run the rc2.d/ scripts. It stays at runlevel 2 (and prompts for login) though "runlevel" command outputs "N 2". any known bugs? |
| 11:31.40 | peterS | Zap-W: it has 48-bit lba for any IDE that doesn't cause its own problems with lba48. last I heard piix causes no problems. |
| 11:32.14 | Diazepam | guys which X server is newer? xfree86 or xorg?? |
| 11:32.35 | peterS | Diazepam: that's a meaningless question. newer doesn't mean much. xorg is newer but it's still the wrong question to ask |
| 11:32.41 | Jacobo221 | Diazepam: both. tehy are parallel separate project |
| 11:32.52 | peterS | Diazepam: what feature or features do you want that you think only a newer piece of software might have? |
| 11:33.08 | Jacobo221 | Diazepam: just use xorg :P |
| 11:33.17 | peterS | no don't. use whatever comes with your version of debian. |
| 11:33.23 | peterS | no version of debian comes with both, so your choice is simple. |
| 11:33.26 | Diazepam | okay - i have an Nvidia 64Mb card. Which one would you recommend |
| 11:33.36 | Jacobo221 | Diazepam: both |
| 11:33.44 | jm_ | Zap-W: as long as you use kernel > 2.4.19 |
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| 11:34.02 | Diazepam | i just performed an apt-get dist-upgrade and now I have an option of changing X servers |
| 11:34.11 | Diazepam | xfree86 or Xorg |
| 11:34.22 | peterS | Diazepam: oh so you've got xorg available but xfree86 already installed. go ahead and tell it to switch then |
| 11:34.22 | Jacobo221 | Diazepam: same project, forked. now they are separate projects. in most cases they will be equal as good for desktops |
| 11:34.47 | peterS | Diazepam: you won't notice much, if any, difference, but xorg is what debian will use in the future so if you're running unstable or etch you may as well switch now instead of later |
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| 11:35.02 | Diazepam | okay - here goes |
| 11:35.33 | Diazepam | got a feeling im going to loose my wheel mouse feature |
| 11:35.37 | ZiX | omfg |
| 11:35.40 | snail | Diazepam: in #gimp ppl have been complaining about lockups with xorg (mainly under ubuntu, but also debain) |
| 11:35.40 | Diazepam | just got it going again too |
| 11:35.52 | ZiX | i'm tarring my whole home directory and it's already took 5 minutes :+ |
| 11:35.52 | peterS | could happen. but that sort of thing is *usually* easy to fix |
| 11:35.54 | ZiX | :|* |
| 11:36.17 | snail | ZiX: have you checked you don't have an infinite loop? |
| 11:36.20 | Diazepam | snail - yeah i use gimp a bit so i will look out for that |
| 11:36.22 | ZiX | zix@Tiger:~$ tar -cf backup.tar.gz * |
| 11:36.25 | ZiX | *waits* |
| 11:36.35 | peterS | ZiX: dude you're including backup.tar.gz inside backup.tar.gz |
| 11:36.39 | peterS | ZiX: that's, like, not good |
| 11:36.42 | snail | ZiX: does backup.tar.gz match * ? |
| 11:36.47 | Diazepam | i have heard that Xfree86 is considered outdated and limited by some more knowledgable than myself |
| 11:37.00 | peterS | well, I guess it won't match * assuming you don't already have a backup.tar.gz in the dir from some previous attempt |
| 11:37.04 | peterS | but it's still a gutsy thing to do |
| 11:37.04 | ZiX | peterS: it didn't exist alraedy. |
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| 11:37.09 | blondie | isn't Diazepam a drug? |
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| 11:37.16 | snail | ZiX: doesnt' matter |
| 11:37.25 | Diazepam | blondie: yep - Valium |
| 11:37.36 | ZiX | so that means.. |
| 11:37.37 | ZiX | it never ends.. |
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| 11:37.50 | snail | ZiX: it ends when you run out of disk space |
| 11:37.54 | ZiX | how to do it the right way, then? |
| 11:37.56 | ZiX | snail: yea :x |
| 11:38.02 | peterS | Diazepam: it's outdated insofar as debian will no longer ship updated versions of it ever again. but it didn't, like, break overnight. it still works fine unless it's missing newish hardware support here and there |
| 11:38.16 | snail | ZiX: put the tar file in /tmp/ |
| 11:38.19 | Diazepam | blondie - i worked as a mental health worker for some years - mainly with schizophrenics - thus the name |
| 11:38.27 | ZiX | snail: oh, now i understand :) |
| 11:38.28 | blondie | uh right |
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| 11:39.03 | peterS | snail: it *does* matter, * is expanded before tar gets a chance to create backup.tar.gz. it's still a dicey thing to do, but it ought to work. |
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| 11:39.38 | ZiX | zix@Tiger:~$ tar -czf /tmp/backup.tar.gz * |
| 11:39.38 | Diazepam | Peter S: so what advantages are percieved by the Deb team? re: xorg v's Xfree86 ? |
| 11:39.51 | Diazepam | Peter S: why the swap? |
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| 11:40.14 | peterS | Diazepam: primary advantage is that new versions of xfree86 (4.4 and newer) are under a more restrictive license which has practical problems like not allowing any GPL programs that use the X libraries |
| 11:40.15 | snail | Diazepam: development is happening on xorg but not xfree |
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| 11:40.20 | Diazepam | more importantly - where is the config file now kept? xorg.conf ?? |
| 11:40.24 | peterS | Diazepam: xorg doesn't have that problem, it uses the original license |
| 11:40.25 | nixie | afaik xorg is because of licensing |
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| 11:40.57 | peterS | Diazepam: the other reason to switch to xorg is that all the other distributions did the same thing, for the same reason, so now nobody cares about xfree86 anymore and it's effectively dead as a development effort |
| 11:40.58 | nixie | not much else. if im not mistaken, the first fork was virtually identical to xfree |
| 11:41.26 | Diazepam | ahhh - okay that makes sense |
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| 11:41.34 | dna_ | yo |
| 11:41.44 | peterS | Diazepam: it's a perfect example of a project killed by a poor licensing decision. it died almost overnight. |
| 11:42.06 | peterS | I mean died in the sense that everyone made immediate plans to first create, then switch to, xorg |
| 11:42.09 | hammerabi | netbsd stuck with it for some reason |
| 11:42.17 | hammerabi | dunno if they left it now or not |
| 11:42.48 | peterS | interestingly they did release not only xfree86 4.4 but 4.5. somehow nobody noticed when 4.5 came out |
| 11:43.13 | Diazepam | well team - thats me for the night. Many thanks to all that have answered my trivial questions (special thanks to Peter S - who is always informative). Well wife calls and its beditme "Wife happy...Life happy!" |
| 11:43.25 | peterS | night, Diazepam |
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| 11:43.33 | fireba11 | lol |
| 11:43.47 | jm_ | first sort out X server then the wife |
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| 11:43.59 | dna_ | how do you redesign the gui of a program? |
| 11:44.05 | hammerabi | in order of difficulty? |
| 11:44.09 | hammerabi | dna_: way too vague |
| 11:44.38 | dna_ | take for example the wheels in a program called gdam. How do I make my own gui for the program? |
| 11:44.52 | hammerabi | still too vague |
| 11:44.53 | peterS | jm_: dpkg-reconfigure libspouse-dev |
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| 11:45.06 | hammerabi | there are many ways to produce GUIs for applications in Debian |
| 11:45.20 | peterS | dna_: totally depends on the program. some are much easier to modify, or create new guis for, than others |
| 11:45.25 | hammerabi | one of the easiest is glade, but it requires you to know python/C/perl/whatever to interface to the underlying application |
| 11:46.26 | peterS | well unless your app already ships a glade XML file and your modifications are minor enough not to need to change anything but the xml file |
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| 11:46.57 | hammerabi | sure, but that would require the OP to elaborate, which seems unlikely ;) |
| 11:47.03 | peterS | true |
| 11:47.38 | dna_ | hmm |
| 11:47.48 | SimonRaven | 'welcome to the midnight express' |
| 11:47.55 | dna_ | where would I beging to learn what the program uses for a gui ? |
| 11:48.13 | SimonRaven | ldd /path/to/binary ? |
| 11:48.49 | ZiX | it's still tarring |
| 11:48.50 | ZiX | :S |
| 11:49.09 | ZiX | zix@Tiger:~$ tar -czf /tmp/backup.tar.gz * |
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| 11:49.24 | nixie | try excluding proc?:) |
| 11:49.27 | blondie | you should have used v |
| 11:49.30 | ZiX | yea.. |
| 11:49.31 | blondie | to see what it was doing |
| 11:49.40 | ZiX | just wanted to say that. |
| 11:49.44 | hammerabi | dna_: pointing as at whatever it is you're talking about would be a good first step |
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| 11:49.48 | Simon-dic | hi |
| 11:50.04 | Default | . |
| 11:50.11 | blondie | dna_ eat glue |
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| 11:50.56 | SimonRaven | sneak-up |
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| 11:54.26 | DeadSoul | is there not xorg in apt-get ? |
| 11:54.37 | SimonRaven | only etch/sid |
| 11:54.42 | jm_ | or backports |
| 11:54.54 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does anybody know how to catch key press in linux? |
| 11:55.05 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.09 | jm_ | yes, somebody knows |
| 11:55.20 | hammerabi | TraceGreen: need to be more specific |
| 11:55.28 | hammerabi | e.g. where (X and the console differ greatly). |
| 11:55.37 | hammerabi | dna_: and gdam is...? |
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| 11:55.54 | TraceGreen | hammerabi, i want to catch keypress in X. |
| 11:55.57 | dna_ | hammerabi, mixing software |
| 11:56.04 | TraceGreen | hammerabi, not just in console. |
| 11:56.06 | dna_ | GDAM is a digital dj mixing software package. |
| 11:56.28 | TraceGreen | hammerabi, i want to forbid all buttons in keyboard except "Esc" |
| 11:56.33 | hammerabi | TraceGreen: globally or in one window? |
| 11:57.00 | TraceGreen | hammerabi, globally |
| 11:57.33 | DeadSoul | all i see in apt-get is xfree86.. why is xorg not there? |
| 11:57.43 | peterS | DeadSoul: because it's not |
| 11:57.44 | hammerabi | DeadSoul: because you're not using etch or sid |
| 11:57.49 | peterS | DeadSoul: do you need it? why? |
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| 11:57.57 | hammerabi | TraceGreen: I believe that will involve the fun that is xlib |
| 11:58.09 | DeadSoul | i was tol xorg is better than xfree86 |
| 11:58.12 | DeadSoul | told* |
| 11:58.19 | peterS | DeadSoul: yes, well, 'better' is a meaningless word |
| 11:58.22 | hammerabi | DeadSoul: that without context is meaningless |
| 11:58.24 | TraceGreen | hammerabi, so, do you mean i can find some function in xlib? |
| 11:58.30 | DeadSoul | whats etch or sid? |
| 11:58.38 | hammerabi | DeadSoul: two strands of Debian |
| 11:58.39 | SimonRaven | !etch |
| 11:58.40 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 11:58.42 | peterS | DeadSoul: debian testing or unstable. if you don't know what they are you don't want to be running thenm |
| 11:58.50 | hammerabi | TraceGreen: no, I mean, you'll need to learn how to use xlib to do that securely, afaik |
| 11:59.01 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:59.01 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 11:59.02 | DeadSoul | yeah im using stable.. |
| 11:59.11 | hammerabi | TraceGreen: #x or #freedesktop would be places to start |
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| 11:59.33 | DeadSoul | this is a laptop with a intel 915 chipset.. would it be better on xorg? |
| 11:59.33 | TraceGreen | hammerabi, thanks. |
| 11:59.47 | peterS | DeadSoul: there aren't many practical differences between XFree86 and X.org anyway. the main important thing is that x.org supports newer hardware. if your hardware is already supported, you wouldn't notice much difference |
| 12:00.07 | hammerabi | DeadSoul: it may enable you to suspend/resume more reliably |
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| 12:00.22 | peterS | DeadSoul: I don't know if xorg has better support for i915. does XFree86 work well with that chip already, or not? |
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| 12:00.26 | DeadSoul | well yeah intel 915 is the lastest GXP in laptops.. |
| 12:00.32 | TraceGreen | hammerabi, are there any software tool which can catch all keyboard press event? |
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| 12:00.44 | BlackHole | umi nekdo cesky ? ;) |
| 12:00.52 | hammerabi | TraceGreen: xscreensaver? |
| 12:00.54 | hammerabi | BlackHole: no |
| 12:00.57 | tarzeau | !cz |
| 12:00.57 | dpkg | [cz] Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 12:00.57 | peterS | TraceGreen: there's always xev, but it doesn't *exclusively* catch events, and it doesn't do anything with them once caught |
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| 12:01.31 | BlackHole | dik |
| 12:01.46 | TraceGreen | peterS, what do you mean of xev? |
| 12:02.01 | peterS | TraceGreen: it's a program that catches X events, like KeyPressEvent and KeyReleaseEvent |
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| 12:02.08 | peterS | TraceGreen: it's in xbase-clients, last I heard |
| 12:02.19 | sep | !xev |
| 12:02.19 | dpkg | methinks xev is in the xcontrib package |
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| 12:02.23 | _Roey | Hi! I have a poweredge 1850 that I'm trying to set up channel bonding on. I'm following http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/bonding.html, and when I issue 'ifenslave' I get: http://rafb.net/paste/results/iWY6cB84.html -- can someone help me? |
| 12:02.24 | DeadSoul | maybe i should be running etch.. is it stable? |
| 12:02.30 | peterS | wow that's out of date |
| 12:02.35 | SimonRaven | !factinfo xev |
| 12:02.35 | dpkg | xev -- created by xk <xk@reggae-01-232.nv.iinet.net.au> at Sun Apr 30 02:00:00 2000 (2059 days); it has been requested 16 times, last by petemc at Wed Oct 19 05:02:28 2005. |
| 12:02.39 | TraceGreen | peterS, apt-cache search xev, can't find any info |
| 12:02.48 | SimonRaven | ancient history |
| 12:02.52 | peterS | TraceGreen: I told you it was in xbase-clients last I heard. it still is, as it happens |
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| 12:03.06 | TraceGreen | peterS, anyway, thanks. |
| 12:03.11 | peterS | !no xev is in the xbase-clients package |
| 12:03.11 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
| 12:03.40 | dna_ | how do I open /usr/lib/gdam/plugins/skin/gdamwalkerskin.la |
| 12:03.40 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.58 | hammerabi | dna_: you don't |
| 12:03.59 | peterS | ewww, a .la file |
| 12:04.00 | TBBle | Gah, I'm having a dumb moment... Trying to mount a vfat drive, and the 1/2 character in "31/2 inch floppy" is 0xbd, but I can't convince mount to process it properly. It seems the nls_cp1252.ko module is gone since 2.4 days, and google's not given me any joy so far. Anyone know off hand the mount params to make this work? |
| 12:04.07 | peterS | dna_: it's plain text, but you probably are asking the wrong question |
| 12:04.33 | hammerabi | dna_: what programming languages do you know? |
| 12:04.45 | dna_ | just c and C++ |
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| 12:04.53 | mrzippy | hi |
| 12:05.29 | DeadSoul | ok so how do i get this etch release? |
| 12:05.45 | peterS | TBBle: interesting question. you can 'modprobe -l nls_*' to see what codepages *are* available |
| 12:05.49 | dna_ | which is better gtk or qt? |
| 12:05.58 | peterS | dna_: gtk is. qt is. |
| 12:06.16 | hammerabi | dna_: there is no better, they are two different toolkits |
| 12:06.26 | peterS | dna_: qt might be if you only use C++. gtk is if you only use C. beyond that it's sorta subjective |
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| 12:06.53 | mrzippy | I have already installed a .deb but now when i want install another program, apt-get tell me that a program have problems with depends. But i would like to quit the error because the program have been good installed. |
| 12:07.08 | peterS | DeadSoul: there is no etch release. it is not released. it is being developed and frequently being broken. |
| 12:07.17 | hammerabi | mrzippy: showing us the error in #flood is a good start |
| 12:07.29 | peterS | DeadSoul: it will be released in December 2006. until then you can poke around www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or something |
| 12:07.33 | mrzippy | is there any command for repair apt-get ? |
| 12:07.34 | TBBle | ls /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/fs/nls/ gave me that. There's an iso8859-1, but vfat's codepage option won't touch it. |
| 12:07.40 | mrzippy | thanks |
| 12:07.45 | mosty | mrzippy, what is the exact error you get? |
| 12:07.49 | mrzippy | ok |
| 12:07.51 | mrzippy | wait |
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| 12:08.24 | dna_ | sweet |
| 12:08.31 | mrzippy | ksmoothdock: Depende: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.2.2) pero no es instalable |
| 12:08.31 | mrzippy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.36 | goron | I tried without udev, but then my mouse didn't work anymore... |
| 12:08.40 | dna_ | now I just need to learn how to code in gtk lol |
| 12:08.42 | jelly | peterS: this Dec 2006 date looks rather optimistic. Are there any references? IANADD. |
| 12:08.52 | vovo4ka | i need help |
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| 12:09.09 | peterS | jelly: pretty sure there's been at least one mention of that date on a release manager post to debian-devel-announce |
| 12:09.14 | vovo4ka | just installed lighttpd |
| 12:09.14 | vovo4ka | but it fails on config |
| 12:09.17 | mosty | mrzippy: what version of debian are you running, and that .deb you installed- was it compiled for the same version of debian? |
| 12:09.20 | TBBle | O_O Apparently it's 0xbd in unicode too... Only that won't be the case in UTF8. |
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| 12:09.27 | vovo4ka | ok... i fix the error, but it seems lighttpd loads old one 8-( |
| 12:09.28 | peterS | jelly: people are feeling really determined to actually hit the date this time. of course, it's pretty easy to be cynical about such things, and that's always paid off in the past |
| 12:09.42 | vovo4ka | the same error |
| 12:09.45 | mrzippy | because i installed ksmoothdock with dpkg but i would like to leave |
| 12:09.49 | peterS | TBBle: correct, utf8 will be 2 bytes |
| 12:10.09 | peppet | mrzippy, it is a kde application, then it needs kde libs |
| 12:10.12 | peterS | TBBle: you're sure the windows system is using code page 1252, not 1251 for example? |
| 12:10.34 | TBBle | Uhh, not sure, no. I'll go try that. ^_^ |
| 12:10.44 | dna_ | is it possible to make transparency in gtk? |
| 12:10.57 | jelly | peterS: I can imagine. thanks, I'll check the archive for d-d-a. |
| 12:10.58 | dna_ | like opacity |
| 12:11.01 | goron | dna_: #gtk |
| 12:11.16 | hammerabi | dna_: opacity of what? widgets? windows? |
| 12:11.16 | dna_ | sweet deal |
| 12:11.29 | peterS | TBBle: wait ... *doh* ... vfat should be storing unicode characters, I bet the mount option is just for what to translate that *into* when displaying the filenames on your unix box |
| 12:11.36 | mrzippy | peppet: the problem is that the program are function |
| 12:11.40 | TBBle | Ah, that worked. codepage=1251,iocharset=utf8 |
| 12:11.47 | kyncani | mrzippy: if you're using debian testing or unstable, expect those kind of errors (packages not installable) |
| 12:11.47 | dna_ | to the entire window |
| 12:12.00 | TBBle | The problem was that I was getting the 0xbd in ls output, so it wasn't being converted... |
| 12:12.11 | hammerabi | dna_: that's unrelated to gtk then, but modern X can, yes |
| 12:12.20 | peterS | TBBle: I wonder why it needs codepage= at all, as opposed to just iocharset. as I said, vfat uses unicode internally (ucs-2 / utf-16) |
| 12:12.43 | TBBle | Ah. Without codepage, the all-caps stuff goes all-lowercase instead |
| 12:13.03 | TBBle | I'll go with this. I had a complete brainfart on what 'iocharset' does, since I _knew_ it wasn't UTF-8 on disk. ^_^ |
| 12:13.12 | peterS | TBBle: ahh, according to 'man 8 mount', codepage= is for short filenames, not the long filename representations from vfat. |
| 12:13.21 | peterS | TBBle: and indeed the 8.3 names are not stored in unicode |
| 12:13.36 | TBBle | Good. So codepage-less it is. ^_^ Thanks. |
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| 12:13.50 | peterS | heh |
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| 12:15.12 | goron | Can anybody please explain to me how I get my mouse working without udev, or get my printer working with udev? |
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| 12:15.25 | Jacobo221 | has anyone ever suffered that rcX.d/ scripts aren't run under certain (undeterminate) circumstances after rcS.d/ scripts are all done? (note, "runlevel" outputs "N 2") |
| 12:15.33 | peterS | goron: cd /dev; MAKEDEV input |
| 12:15.34 | jm_ | load the modules, tell the software to use the right devices |
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| 12:15.43 | mrzippy | i would like if i could quit that message for install another programs. |
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| 12:15.55 | SimonRaven | round dance |
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| 12:16.13 | goron | peterS: The device /dev/input/mice was already there. |
| 12:16.31 | peterS | goron: well, exactly what is wrong with /dev and your mouse depends on several things. do you know if /dev/input/mice is what your X server config is expecting? |
| 12:16.35 | Jacobo221 | SimonRaven: were you answering me? |
| 12:16.35 | goron | peterS: I did cat /dev/input/mice, but it gave no output when I moved the mouse. |
| 12:16.48 | SimonRaven | Jacobo221: no |
| 12:16.52 | Jacobo221 | ok |
| 12:16.54 | goron | peterS: Yes, that's what my Xserver is expecting. |
| 12:17.03 | goron | peterS: But I tried it on the command line. |
| 12:17.04 | peterS | goron: so is that also what happens with X? the mouse just doesn't respond, but the server appears to run fine other than that? |
| 12:17.35 | goron | peterS: No, cat /dev/etc... does not give output. The server runs fine. |
| 12:17.48 | peterS | goron: so if the server runs fine, what is your problem exactly? |
| 12:17.58 | goron | peterS: I can't use the mouse.... |
| 12:18.10 | goron | peterS: Seems like the mouse is there for a reason. |
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| 12:18.24 | goron | peterS: But I rather just have my printer working. |
| 12:18.26 | peterS | goron: that's what I just asked. whether the server runs fine apart from the mouse not responding. you said "no the server runs fine". that's a confusing answer |
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| 12:18.44 | blahdebla1 | hi all, does anyone know why updates for the following came through from the main archive rather than security? gzip libfam0c102 mdadm vim vim-common |
| 12:18.55 | goron | peterS: I didn't say exactly that, but it could have been confusing. Sorry. |
| 12:18.57 | peterS | blahdebla1: because debian 3.1r1 was just released today |
| 12:19.09 | blahdebla1 | peterS: So that's expected? |
| 12:19.16 | peterS | blahdebla1: yep |
| 12:19.19 | Greek-Boy | I manually deleted a php5 installation by using rm -r and then i used apt-get to install php4 but when doing php -v the system says: -bash: /usr/local/bin/php: No such file or directory |
| 12:19.24 | jm_ | blahdebla1: security updates become part of main when new minor version is released |
| 12:19.32 | peterS | blahdebla1: 3.1r1 incorporates most security updates that happened since 3.1r0a from June |
| 12:19.33 | Greek-Boy | whereis php |
| 12:19.36 | Greek-Boy | shows nothing |
| 12:19.42 | peterS | goron: so anyway. the most common reason for your system's behavior is missing kernel modules |
| 12:19.53 | peterS | goron: if you have a PS/2 mouse, probably the 'psmouse' module isn't loaded |
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| 12:20.03 | goron | peterS: the psmouse module was loaded. |
| 12:20.09 | blahdebla1 | jm_/peterS: I didn't see an annoucement on debian-user-announce (via gmane)... |
| 12:20.09 | goron | peterS: I checked |
| 12:20.10 | blondie | Greek-Boy: things installed by apt-get aren't in /usr/local |
| 12:20.12 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: hash -r |
| 12:20.21 | peterS | blahdebla1: you will soon. this news is literally less than 2 hours old |
| 12:20.42 | kyncani | goron: you might install discover, that may load a missing kernel module |
| 12:20.43 | jm_ | blahdebla1: it's not on the web either (yet) |
| 12:20.49 | blahdebla1 | peterS/jm_: OK - thanks. Just didn't want to update because someone had compromised my local mirror or something silly like that. :-) |
| 12:20.51 | peterS | kyncani: not likely, I know what modules he needs |
| 12:21.07 | peterS | goron: so check the output of the 'dmesg' command to see if the psmouse module correctly found the PS/2 port and mouse |
| 12:21.59 | goron | peterS: Normally it shows a line like "input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:02.1 |
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| 12:22.11 | goron | peterS: But without udev it didn't. |
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| 12:22.22 | peterS | goron: so that's actually a USB mouse. never mind the bit about 'psmouse', what you need is the 'usbhid' module |
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| 12:22.42 | Greek-Boy | caphuso still same problem |
| 12:22.43 | goron | peterS: I am using the exact same kernel all the time. |
| 12:22.51 | peterS | goron: also, if you don't already have it, you need the USB motherboard chip driver. there are 3 of these drivers depending on your hardware |
| 12:23.00 | goron | peterS: I only deinstalled the udev package. |
| 12:23.03 | Greek-Boy | blondie i did a apt-get install --reinstall php4 |
| 12:23.14 | peterS | goron: yes but udev handles some automatic module loading these days too |
| 12:23.14 | goron | peterS: So, the notion of missing modules seems silly. |
| 12:23.22 | Greek-Boy | and apt-get install --reinstall php4-common |
| 12:23.26 | Greek-Boy | still same result :( |
| 12:23.28 | goron | peterS: ok, then it's not silly. |
| 12:23.29 | peterS | goron: they are uhci-hcd, ohci-hcd and ehci-hcd. use the following command to find out which: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 12:23.34 | blondie | Greek-Boy: what are you looking for? |
| 12:23.37 | rootnoverify | hi all. I can't get debian to use 24bits colors.. I've tried manually editing the x-server file, using dpkg to reconfigure x-server, but none of them worked.. any ideas? |
| 12:23.53 | goron | [OHCI]) |
| 12:23.53 | goron | [EHCI]) |
| 12:23.57 | blondie | Greek-Boy: you need to install php4-cli if you want to use it that way |
| 12:24.05 | Greek-Boy | i'm trying to get php4 installed proparly |
| 12:24.11 | peterS | goron: right so you want to load ohci-hcd and ehci-hcd |
| 12:24.12 | goron | peterS: Ok, so I need to add those to modules.conf? |
| 12:24.13 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: ah, did you install the php package that has the standalone interpreter or only the apache module? |
| 12:24.21 | peterS | goron: not modules.conf, just stick 'em in /etc/modules |
| 12:24.23 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 12:24.36 | Greek-Boy | the standalone interpreter |
| 12:24.36 | peterS | goron: let 'em load automatically at boot time, that's the simplest thing |
| 12:24.40 | jm_ | I guess hotplug would solve his problems (talking about Sarge) |
| 12:24.41 | caphuso | Greek-Boy: sure? |
| 12:24.43 | Greek-Boy | i'm going to isntall apache module too |
| 12:25.02 | goron | peterS: Yes, I always mistake modules.conf and modules. |
| 12:25.06 | peterS | goron: anyway go ahead and load them manually with 'modprobe ohci-hcd' and 'modprobe usbhid', make sure that actually solves your problem |
| 12:25.17 | peterS | goron: it should, and you shouldn't even need to restart the X server, it'll just suddenly have a usable mouse |
| 12:25.26 | goron | peterS: The mouse is working. |
| 12:25.30 | goron | peterS: The printer is not. |
| 12:25.31 | peterS | pretty slick stuff when it works |
| 12:25.52 | peterS | goron: so for the printer, the modules are 'parport_pc' and 'lp' |
| 12:25.52 | dna_ | ok I found multiple .xml files with widget coding in gtk, how do I executre the .xml to show the code of the widget? |
| 12:26.21 | peterS | goron: parport_pc is for the hardware port, lp is to talk to printers, specifically, through it |
| 12:26.37 | goron | peterS: lp was not loaded. |
| 12:26.50 | peterS | they're separate because you can run other things besides printers through a standard parallel port. like ZIP drives |
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| 12:27.46 | va_ | can i send email from shell with a single command non-interactively? The 'mail' command asks me to enter the message body by hand. |
| 12:27.48 | peterS | dna_: the xml files could be anything. if they happen to be GLADE files, you can load them up in the glade-2 program |
| 12:27.48 | jm_ | or SCSI via parport, I remember we used that to have a portable disk back in 1998 |
| 12:27.54 | sep | laplink ! |
| 12:27.57 | jm_ | va_: of course |
| 12:28.00 | peterS | jm_: zip through parport *is* scsi, i believe |
| 12:28.18 | va_ | jm_: what command should i use? |
| 12:28.35 | jm_ | va_: mail will do fine |
| 12:28.41 | goron | peterS: Ok, I will reboot again. |
| 12:28.49 | peterS | goron: no need to reboot, just try stuff after loading those modules |
| 12:29.08 | goron | peterS: Ok, well I loaded the modules, but cups still doesn't show other devices. |
| 12:29.18 | jm_ | va_: it's how you use it -- echo "my body" | mail -s subject bla@foo |
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| 12:29.36 | va_ | jm_: oh, thanks |
| 12:29.45 | peterS | goron: I'm not sure how automatic the automatic cups printer detection stuff is supposed to be. so I can't help you much there. I configured my printer more or less by hand, over a year ago. |
| 12:29.46 | goron | peterS: But I now do have the /dev/lp0 device. |
| 12:29.53 | mrzippy | quit |
| 12:29.56 | peterS | goron: good, good, that's what lp is supposed to give you |
| 12:30.10 | goron | peterS: Yes, I got that. |
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| 12:30.41 | goron | peterS: The driver database entry does not contain sufficient data to build a PPD file. |
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| 12:30.59 | goron | peterS: The command make_driver_db_cups fails |
| 12:31.19 | goron | peterS: This is the same command the nice kde printer configuration tool depends on. |
| 12:31.26 | peterS | goron: yeah I've no idea what's going on there. I never needed fancy ppd files or other stuff on my box, I just bought an old laserjet 5 on ebay and those are so bog-standard nobody has problems supporting them |
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| 12:31.31 | dna_ | peterS, hmm let me post what the .xml files code looks like |
| 12:31.35 | goron | peterS: (and printconf uses). Ok |
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| 12:32.07 | Greek-Boy | it seems as if my php is ok now |
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| 12:32.08 | Greek-Boy | oi-mail:/# whereis php |
| 12:32.08 | Greek-Boy | php: /usr/bin/php /usr/share/man/man1/php.1.gz |
| 12:32.11 | Greek-Boy | ? |
| 12:32.12 | peterS | goron: of course the *reason* I bought an old laserjet 5 on ebay is that I knew it'd be a piece of cake to deal with driver-wise (: well, that's one reason, the other reason is that those things are built like tanks, you can't kill them |
| 12:32.32 | dna_ | http://pastebin.com/470005 |
| 12:32.34 | hammerabi | the shipping must have been terrible |
| 12:32.48 | goron | peterS: Yes, I think that I will buy an old Laser printer someday. |
| 12:32.57 | peterS | hammerabi: $35 to buy, $35 to ship, I figured it was still a reasonable price |
| 12:33.03 | goron | peterS: Some friends of mine said the same. |
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| 12:33.25 | hammerabi | peterS: hah, nice |
| 12:33.27 | DwyaneWade | my PS/2 mouse seems to appear out of nowhere, the windows are automatically switched from time to time, like the system receives bad signals from the mouse. Is it because a bad configuration of X or simply the mouse has technical problems? |
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| 12:34.15 | hammerabi | DwyaneWade: setting X to use the wrong mouse protocol can do that |
| 12:34.23 | peterS | DwyaneWade: does this happen all the time, or just occasionally? |
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| 12:35.12 | peterS | dna_: looks like a glade2 file to me, try loading it up in glade-2 |
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| 12:35.26 | dna_ | peterS, I tried, no luck it has errors :( |
| 12:35.43 | peterS | dna_: maybe it's a glade-1 file, I forget whether those look the same, it's been awhile |
| 12:35.47 | DwyaneWade | peterS: occasionally |
| 12:35.52 | DwyaneWade | like 2 times a minute |
| 12:35.57 | DwyaneWade | which is very frequent |
| 12:36.06 | DwyaneWade | i ahve these 2 lines in xorg.conf: InputDevice"Configured Mouse" |
| 12:36.06 | DwyaneWade | InputDevice"Generic Mouse" |
| 12:36.13 | peterS | DwyaneWade: "hrrm" then. if it happened all the time it'd be a mismatched protocol, but if it normally works fine except when it goes crazy, who knows |
| 12:36.18 | DwyaneWade | in the old configuration i had only the Configured Mouse |
| 12:36.21 | DwyaneWade | should i remove one? |
| 12:36.25 | dna_ | peterS, what would I use to open up glade-1? |
| 12:36.29 | _Roey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/hzGSu076.html |
| 12:36.32 | _Roey | can anyone hlep me with that please |
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| 12:36.42 | peterS | DwyaneWade: yeah you can comment out 'generic mouse' from the Section "ServerLayout" if you want |
| 12:36.45 | peterS | DwyaneWade: might help |
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| 12:37.15 | peterS | dna_: you use glade, which I *think* is no longer shipped in debian, so you'd have to find an old version perhaps from http://packages.debian.org/glade |
| 12:37.25 | Fujoor | is there any consol word program that can open .doc files? |
| 12:37.34 | peterS | dna_: ahh, my mistake, it *is* still shipped in debian |
| 12:37.47 | blondie | Fujoor: yes |
| 12:37.56 | peterS | Fujoor: two programs 'antiword' and 'wv' will display .doc files on a console |
| 12:38.03 | peterS | Fujoor: they both work, I don't know which is better |
| 12:38.20 | peterS | they're not *editors*, just *viewers* |
| 12:38.21 | Fujoor | peters: cheers peter, ill check them both out |
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| 12:39.32 | possie | anyone know a website where i can view weather statistics from other years, from all over the world? |
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| 12:40.10 | peterS | possie: in debian it is always midsummer |
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| 12:40.19 | DwyaneWade | peterS: when reconfiguring i checked that "emulate 3rd button" or something like that. it seems that it goes crazy mostly when scrolling. could this be the problem? |
| 12:40.29 | vovo4ka | i want php with openssl support |
| 12:40.39 | vovo4ka | i installed openssl package |
| 12:40.42 | hammerabi | I want people to not use php |
| 12:40.47 | hammerabi | we all have wishes |
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| 12:40.55 | vovo4ka | but fail |
| 12:40.56 | vovo4ka | ed |
| 12:40.58 | peterS | DwyaneWade: you mean scrolling with a mouse scroll wheel, or by dragging scroll bars? |
| 12:41.00 | vovo4ka | 8-(( |
| 12:41.11 | hammerabi | vovo4ka: /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian |
| 12:41.14 | DwyaneWade | scroll wheel |
| 12:41.15 | peterS | vovo4ka: wait, what would php use openssl for? |
| 12:41.15 | vovo4ka | hammerabi, 8) |
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| 12:41.23 | DevilChaos | could someone help with building dependancies please i need to link transcode to libmagick9 instaed of libmagick6 ive tried a few times |
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| 12:41.29 | vovo4ka | hammerabi, php5 i want! 8) |
| 12:41.29 | DevilChaos | to do it myself |
| 12:41.50 | possie | peterS, :-) |
| 12:42.01 | dna_ | peterS, I have glade installed now and I get an error with line 11 which is <gnome_support>True</gnome_support> |
| 12:42.13 | DevilChaos | used the comand from dpkg but cant get it to work apt-get install build-essential && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename> |
| 12:42.28 | peterS | dna_: then I guess it's up to you to figure out what the xml file actually is from, if it's valid at all |
| 12:42.34 | hammerabi | DevilChaos: telling us that is of no use |
| 12:42.40 | peterS | DwyaneWade: does the scroll wheel work at all, or does it just cause chaos and nothing else? |
| 12:42.41 | hammerabi | DevilChaos: you need to show us the error in #flood |
| 12:42.50 | DevilChaos | k |
| 12:43.09 | kyncani | DevilChaos: transcode packaged by marillat is linked against libmagick9 |
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| 12:44.03 | DevilChaos | kyncani: i mustent have got it updated properly in deselect what is the correct source for testing? |
| 12:44.04 | DwyaneWade | it works sometime sometimes it's chaos |
| 12:44.09 | DwyaneWade | this is not it |
| 12:44.14 | peterS | kyncani: then I suggest you just pull down transcode packaged by marillat |
| 12:44.17 | DwyaneWade | i will comment that generic mouse line |
| 12:44.27 | DwyaneWade | then se what happens |
| 12:44.29 | peterS | DwyaneWade: that does make me wonder whether it's just a hardware problem |
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| 12:44.33 | sep | _Roey, have you tried without the hw ether line ? just load module, assign ip, and try ifenslave |
| 12:44.34 | kyncani | DevilChaos: in sid anyway |
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| 12:44.45 | _Roey | sep: ok |
| 12:44.45 | DwyaneWade | i have to restart computer or restart only X ? |
| 12:44.46 | peterS | DwyaneWade: if you have another mouse anywhere around you can swap in to test, that'd be the thing to try next |
| 12:44.47 | kyncani | peterS: what do you mean ? |
| 12:44.48 | _Roey | sep: I will try that. |
| 12:44.49 | DevilChaos | ok il try that |
| 12:44.55 | sep | _Roey, also assign ip, netmask, and broadcast to be sure. |
| 12:44.55 | dna_ | peterS, I am going to try glade-gnome |
| 12:44.56 | _Roey | sep: can I rmmod that module? does that work? |
| 12:44.58 | dna_ | maybe that will help |
| 12:45.02 | sep | _Roey, try. |
| 12:45.14 | peterS | DwyaneWade: after changing xorg.conf you just have to restart X. this can be done with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, though if you log out first it's tidier |
| 12:45.15 | vovo4ka | i want fastcgi |
| 12:45.39 | peterS | kyncani: you say marillat already has a version compiled the way you want. why not just use that? |
| 12:46.06 | sep | _Roey, also make sure the eth0 is down before ifenslave it |
| 12:46.16 | DevilChaos | kyncani: i already have that in my souces list take a look in flood i might be missing something |
| 12:46.19 | tijn | where do i find the marillat mirror? |
| 12:46.32 | peterS | vovo4ka: I want a pony. we can't all get the things we want |
| 12:46.33 | kyncani | peterS: ah :) i said it to DevilChaos, he was trying to compile transcode himself ;) |
| 12:46.38 | blondie | tijn: on the internets |
| 12:46.53 | tijn | ah ! there are more internets :D |
| 12:46.59 | blondie | yes |
| 12:47.09 | peterS | vovo4ka: seriously, if you do 'apt-cache search fastcgi' you will see the state of the world w/r/t what debian offers |
| 12:47.12 | tijn | i need to find a square internet :D |
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| 12:47.19 | blondie | a square one? |
| 12:47.19 | tijn | red |
| 12:47.22 | tijn | yes |
| 12:47.27 | DevilChaos | kyncani: ? |
| 12:47.32 | peterS | kyncani: ehhhh. I lost track of who was asking (: happens to me often enough |
| 12:47.40 | kyncani | peterS: ;) |
| 12:47.47 | _Roey | sep: doesn't work. |
| 12:47.47 | kyncani | DevilChaos: check #flood |
| 12:47.56 | tijn | hehe i just ask for the marillat mirror |
| 12:48.07 | SerajewelKS | !tell tijn about marillat |
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| 12:48.18 | vovo4ka | peterS, 8-) |
| 12:48.23 | sep | _Roey, the interface is down before you ifenslave it ? |
| 12:48.43 | vovo4ka | peterS, i just want to compile php5 with mysql , fastcgi and openssl support |
| 12:48.43 | _Roey | sep: it just doens't work; I get an error: Bonding: eth1 is up. This may be due to an out of date ifenslave / Operation not permitted. |
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| 12:48.44 | vovo4ka | 8) |
| 12:48.47 | _Roey | sep: YES. |
| 12:48.51 | tijn | yay! thnx :D |
| 12:48.55 | _Roey | sep: :9 |
| 12:48.59 | _Roey | sep: :( rather |
| 12:49.05 | peterS | vovo4ka: wait, I still didn't hear what use php has for openssl |
| 12:49.16 | _Roey | sep: this is a dell poweredge 1850... I hope it's not a hardware incompat thing |
| 12:49.28 | vovo4ka | peterS, 8-) |
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| 12:49.42 | peterS | vovo4ka: php shouldn't have to care about handling 'https', that's the web server's problem |
| 12:49.46 | vovo4ka | peterS, to have some exp. on debian 8) |
| 12:49.57 | vovo4ka | ok |
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| 12:50.37 | peterS | vovo4ka: as for the rest - well, on debian unstable you can just install 'libapache-mod-php5' and 'php5-mysql'.... |
| 12:50.55 | vovo4ka | i dont want apache |
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| 12:51.15 | peterS | vovo4ka: oh so you want fastcgi support for some other web server. you should've said so (: |
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| 12:51.37 | Andy0516 | how can i config bind? |
| 12:51.47 | peterS | Andy0516: edit files in /etc/bind/ |
| 12:51.54 | peterS | Andy0516: like named.conf.local |
| 12:52.14 | peterS | and named.conf.options |
| 12:52.15 | sep | _Roey, have you tried using the interface file to create the bond interface ? also have you loaded the mii module ? |
| 12:52.18 | goron | peterS: It seems to work now. But I don't have a clue why! I checked everytime I changed something.... I hate randomness :-( |
| 12:52.25 | DwyaneWade | peterS: should i comment only in serverLayout or also the Section "InputDevice" ? |
| 12:52.33 | goron | peterS: Thanks for your help. |
| 12:52.38 | sep | _Roey, and read http://www.howtoforge.com/nic_bonding |
| 12:52.38 | _Roey | sep: mii? |
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| 12:52.46 | peterS | DwyaneWade: the section 'inputdevice' is powerless without its reference in the serverlayout. so I'd just comment out the one line in the serverlayout |
| 12:52.47 | sep | the kernel module mii |
| 12:53.06 | _Roey | sep: I did miimon=100 as an argument to the bonding modprobe |
| 12:53.11 | peterS | goron: I hate randomness too. I'm glad it works, but "just reboot, maybe it'll help" is an answer I hate to have to give |
| 12:53.24 | sep | _Roey, lsmod see if mii is loaded, if not load it with modprobe mii |
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| 12:54.08 | DevilChaos | kyncani: got it thanks was missing the deb-src line for merim site |
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| 12:54.39 | kyncani | DevilChaos: np, but it is already packaged, you don't need the sources |
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| 13:04.15 | kath` | Which package do I need to install for openmotif package dependencies to be happy on testing? Says it needs xlib6g but I can't find it |
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| 13:04.19 | peterS | "nine minutes and more / channel sits very quiet / maybe *too* quiet" - peterS |
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| 13:04.47 | peterS | kath`: if xlib6g doesn't exist you just use 'xlibs' instead and tell openmotif to shove it |
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| 13:05.45 | kath` | Hmm.... Elaborate on the shove it part please? |
| 13:05.53 | DwyaneWade | peterS: when i will plug in an USB Mouse will it be detected automatically? |
| 13:06.02 | peterS | kath`: well, 'dpkg --install --force-depends' and suchlike |
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| 13:06.30 | peterS | DwyaneWade: for some version of 'automatically'. you may or may not have to load kernel modules |
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| 13:06.38 | peterS | DwyaneWade: from the X server's point of view, it's fully automatic |
| 13:06.54 | peterS | (doesn't require restarting the X server or anything) |
| 13:06.59 | DwyaneWade | ok but why aren't PS/2 mice detected at startup too? |
| 13:07.14 | peterS | DwyaneWade: eh, they should be, subject again to the thing about kernel modules |
| 13:07.37 | kath` | peterS; Thanks! |
| 13:07.46 | stew | DwyaneWade: put "mousedev" and "psmouse" into /etc/modules |
| 13:07.48 | DwyaneWade | ok it was mouse hardware issue. now it freezed for good. i think it's better this way. won't bother me anymore and i don't need it much |
| 13:08.17 | peterS | stew: he's got a ps/2 mouse already, it was misbehaving, we suspected a hardware problem, etc. now he's trying a USB mouse |
| 13:08.31 | DwyaneWade | you happen to know a key shortcut for accessing the Menu up there in Gnome? |
| 13:08.35 | stew | ahh, ok, i just jumped into the middle |
| 13:08.52 | stew | and i still havent have my first coffee yet... |
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| 13:09.02 | testmachine | i dont drink coffee |
| 13:09.03 | testmachine | anymore |
| 13:09.04 | peterS | DwyaneWade: the USB mouse requires two kernel modules you may or may not get loaded automatically for you. one is 'usbhid', the other is for your USB motherboard chip, and could be either one of 'uhci-hcd' or 'ohci-hcd' |
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| 13:09.16 | stew | peterS: i now have a file browser, playlist and i can play and pause :) |
| 13:09.30 | peterS | stew: ehhh, you work fast |
| 13:09.49 | stew | peterS: just arrived at the inlaws, had a long car drive |
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| 13:10.06 | peterS | stew: I hope you didn't hack and drive, that's not legal everywhere |
| 13:10.17 | DwyaneWade | i only have: ide-cd ide-detect sd_mod in /etc/modules |
| 13:10.35 | stew | peterS: heh, no. my wife did practically all the driving |
| 13:10.40 | dna_ | can someone please test http://24.250.184.118:8000 |
| 13:10.43 | fireba11 | peterS: great .. drive seems to be dead ^^ just did power off the box for a minute .. still nothing on the "ready" LED |
| 13:10.43 | dna_ | do you get sound? |
| 13:10.48 | peppet | DwyaneWade, alt+f1 |
| 13:10.54 | peterS | DwyaneWade: well the issue is, depending on what else is on your debian system, sometimes some hardware-related modules get loaded automatically and sometimes they don't |
| 13:10.59 | fireba11 | dna_ is working |
| 13:10.59 | DwyaneWade | peppet: thanks :) |
| 13:11.39 | DwyaneWade | ok peterS last question. i read that you could make X start without requiring mouse. but how to do that? |
| 13:11.44 | peterS | DwyaneWade: anyway. if you're unsure of the kernel modules uhci-hcd vs. ohci-hcd, you could either load both (will work, one will be unused), or run this: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
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| 13:11.54 | DwyaneWade | it said in ServerFlags section ... but i have no such section in xorg.conf |
| 13:12.21 | peterS | DwyaneWade: oh you can create a Section "ServerFlags" if you need it, it's just not created by default because the default config doesn't need it |
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| 13:12.33 | peppet | DwyaneWade, you welcome (seen in gnome-keybinding-properties) |
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| 13:14.04 | DwyaneWade | peterS: anywhere i want in that file? or should it be placed in some specific place like very beginning or very end ? |
| 13:14.40 | peterS | DwyaneWade: if I remember correctly, my last ServerFlags section was near the top. [peterS checks...] yeah. but I don't think it matters |
| 13:15.04 | vovo4ka | anybody compiled UnrealIRCD ? |
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| 13:15.26 | peterS | DwyaneWade: if you still have a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 from your sarge install, it'll have an empty ServerFlags section in it, right after Section "Files", so you can take a look at that |
| 13:15.39 | umbop | hey guys, i'm trying to write an image to a usb cdrw in k3b but it's failing with an error, Open via UNIX device: not supported ERROR: Please use option '--device [proto:]bus,id,lun', e.g. --device 0,6,0 or --device ATAPI:0,0,0 ERROR: Cannot setup device 0,0,0. |
| 13:16.39 | BlackHole | zde se nemuze mluvit CZ? |
| 13:17.28 | peterS | -> #debian-cz |
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| 13:17.56 | DwyaneWade | no it has not but i got it anyway. I am so glad mouse froze ... |
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| 13:18.50 | andrownz | after an apt-get upgrade, I'm getting "Segmentation fault" for every program that seems like linked (using or not) to GTK. Can anybody help on that? |
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| 13:18.54 | narma | hello, when I put this line into my sources.list 'deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free' I have some error on 'non-free', what is the right sentence ? |
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| 13:19.08 | andrownz | using sid |
| 13:19.39 | huron_ | hi all, sounds like I've lost the partition table on one hard drive ... I remember that there must be a copy somewhere ... what tool can I use to restore it ? |
| 13:19.46 | peterS | narma: that's correct, but I'm not sure if all mirrors are required to carry non-free. I haven't checked that one in particular, but is there a reason you aren't just using http.us.debian.org? |
| 13:19.50 | BlackHole | peterS tam nikdo neni |
| 13:19.52 | jm_ | gpart or restore from backup |
| 13:20.28 | huron_ | gpart says "*** Fatal error: cannot get sector size on dev(/dev/hdb)." |
| 13:20.48 | jm_ | does kernel report the right size in /proc/partitions? |
| 13:21.00 | huron_ | yes |
| 13:21.09 | huron_ | that's why I've still hope ;-) |
| 13:21.25 | huron_ | sfdisk says : ""read: Erreur d'entrée/sortie / sfdisk: read error on /dev/hdb - cannot read sector 0 / /dev/hdb: unrecognized partition table type" |
| 13:21.41 | jm_ | wait - do you see an error when you try to read partition table? |
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| 13:21.50 | peterS | huron_: start backing up your disk and praying |
| 13:22.00 | blokkie | how do I install mplayer on the AMD64 version ? |
| 13:22.03 | jm_ | because you're screwed if you do |
| 13:22.18 | narma | peterS, I choosed mirrors.kernel.org to not 'load of charge' the main debian server (sorry for my english :)) |
| 13:22.29 | huron_ | jm_: how to I do that ? |
| 13:22.36 | Kevin` | you could not use a partition table.. probably doesn't help in this case though |
| 13:22.36 | huron_ | you mean try to mount it ? |
| 13:22.48 | jm_ | huron_: run fdisk -l /dev/hdb and then check logs (or run dmesg) |
| 13:22.55 | peterS | narma: ahhh, well, anyway. I don't know if all mirrors carry non-free or not. I thought they did, but possibly mirrors.k.org doesn't |
| 13:23.42 | huron_ | I've tons ot "hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } / hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=63, sector=56 / ide: failed opcode was: unknown / end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 56 / Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 7" ... |
| 13:23.47 | narma | ok I add us.debian.org :) |
| 13:23.51 | huron_ | that's no good I guess ... |
| 13:23.52 | jm_ | yes, your disk is fucked |
| 13:24.01 | omry|work | huron_, your drive went bad. |
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| 13:24.36 | jelly | Maybe it's just cable, or overheating. |
| 13:24.50 | blokkie | how do I install mplayer on the AMD64 version ? I added the nonfree and contrib trees to my distribution.lst file |
| 13:25.00 | huron_ | I've plugged the disk on another machine (mine) to do thoses tests ... |
| 13:25.09 | omry|work | huron_, dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/null count=1 bs=1 works or gives an error? |
| 13:25.30 | Kevin` | bs should be 512 for the partition table |
| 13:25.33 | _Roey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/hzGSu076.html |
| 13:25.34 | jm_ | blokkie: mplayer is not in Debian |
| 13:25.40 | _Roey | omry|work: oh, hi |
| 13:25.46 | _Roey | omry|work: for a sec I thought this was #linux.il |
| 13:25.51 | omry|work | hi _Roey |
| 13:25.58 | huron_ | omry|work: says /dev/hdb : I/O error |
| 13:26.03 | Kevin` | but I supppose if it's unreadable, it's all unreadable |
| 13:26.04 | huron_ | 0 bytes copied |
| 13:26.12 | omry|work | Kevin`, you are right. but the response we got from huron_ means it doesn't matter. |
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| 13:26.40 | omry|work | huron_, thats the secondary drive I guess? |
| 13:26.40 | huron_ | the question is whether or not only a part of the disk was affected ... |
| 13:27.09 | jm_ | huron_: it probably is, but it's a rather vital part |
| 13:27.12 | omry|work | thats possible. but since sector 0 is effected, its pretty bad. |
| 13:27.15 | huron_ | I've plugged it on my machine ... as the secondary drive (slave) ... but usually, it's the master on some other machine |
| 13:27.17 | BornTrador | hi |
| 13:27.32 | omry|work | huron_, how many partitions you had there? |
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| 13:27.43 | huron_ | 3 : / swap and home |
| 13:27.46 | Kevin` | huron_ you can try to mount it by giving an offset |
| 13:28.00 | BornTrador | kann hier jemand german? |
| 13:28.08 | jelly | !de |
| 13:28.08 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 13:28.10 | narma | in which package is 'apt-setup' I haven't got it no more ?? |
| 13:28.20 | omry|work | good old dpkg. :) |
| 13:28.31 | huron_ | Kevin`: you mean bypassing the partition table to mount a partition directly in some way ? |
| 13:28.39 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 13:28.52 | huron_ | Kevin`: do you know how to do that ? |
| 13:28.54 | andrownz | after an apt-get upgrade, I'm getting "Segmentation fault" for every program that seems linked (using or not) to GTK. Can anybody help on that? |
| 13:28.59 | omry|work | huron_, which was the first partition? |
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| 13:29.09 | Kevin` | you would need to know where it started to do that, or guess, or try all numbers |
| 13:29.23 | Kevin` | (the last works suprizingly well) |
| 13:29.27 | huron_ | cat /proc/partitions gives : |
| 13:29.32 | huron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.32 | huron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.32 | huron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.32 | huron_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.53 | Kevin` | how did it get the partitions without.. |
| 13:30.10 | omry|work | flood kicked him |
| 13:30.11 | jelly | huron_: that is good, it means that the first sector was readable at the time when Linux was booted. |
| 13:30.14 | DwyaneWade | unbelievable |
| 13:30.15 | omry|work | hats good to know. |
| 13:30.19 | omry|work | thats |
| 13:30.25 | Kevin` | that's bad, it's breaking quickly |
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| 13:30.32 | Kevin` | but you can mount directly |
| 13:30.37 | DwyaneWade | after my mouse froze i switched to first console then back to 7th one (XWindow) and mouse works now |
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| 13:30.45 | jelly | Kevin`: The glass is half full I say! :-) |
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| 13:30.49 | omry|work | Kevin`, he is not here. got kicked for flood. |
| 13:30.49 | Kevin` | hehe |
| 13:30.53 | Kevin` | oh |
| 13:30.58 | dutchfish | i have configured etch with apache2, mysql5, php5 when i want to install phpmyadmin seams that apt wants to go back to apache2 with php4.. is there a workaround? |
| 13:31.09 | DwyaneWade | this means it is not really hardware problem, rather XWindow conflict with my mouse? |
| 13:31.11 | Kevin` | I never see people join and leave.. mentally filtered |
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| 13:31.40 | peterS | DwyaneWade: not necessarily. when you switch away from X and back into X, it sends the mouse a reset signal |
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| 13:31.47 | omry|work | Kevin`, wonder how come he got the partition table there. it means he booted fine, and then it broke. |
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| 13:31.57 | peterS | DwyaneWade: because it doesn't know whether some console app might have played with the mouse in the meantime and left it in a weird state |
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| 13:32.17 | peterS | DwyaneWade: so the reset signal might have got around the hardware problem, so it could still be a hardware problem |
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| 13:32.40 | DwyaneWade | fortunately it should be |
| 13:32.52 | omry|work | Kevin`, I realized he was gone when the name auto complete didn't work :) |
| 13:33.06 | peterS | DwyaneWade: actually come to think of it, if you're using kernel 2.6, which for some reason I'm thinking you are, then everything I just wrote is more or less nonsense |
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| 13:33.09 | DwyaneWade | cause it also froze in Windows like 6 months ago but never used it ever since |
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| 13:33.24 | DwyaneWade | peterS: no it's 2.4 something |
| 13:33.41 | DwyaneWade | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:33.59 | peterS | DwyaneWade: oh in that case what I wrote half an hour ago about a USB mouse "just working" is also not going to be true. for the USB mouse to "just work" you'd need to reenable that GenericMouse line |
| 13:34.06 | narma | I have got again n error with 'non-free' with this line : deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable contrib non-free |
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| 13:34.34 | peterS | narma: normally you don't put the slash on "debian/" but I forget whether it actually matters |
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| 13:35.01 | DwyaneWade | how can i see what kind of distribution i have: /var/debian-version shows testing/unstable, but i need the number and the code |
| 13:35.16 | peterS | DwyaneWade: if you're using testing or unstable, there is no number |
| 13:35.23 | peterS | DwyaneWade: since they aren't released yet |
| 13:35.32 | DwyaneWade | peterS: till yesterday i used USB mouse and the old xorg.conf had only Configure Mouse section |
| 13:35.36 | DwyaneWade | no generic one |
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| 13:35.41 | DwyaneWade | Configured |
| 13:35.59 | peterS | DwyaneWade: then I don't know what it's doing. if you're using a 2.4 kernel, you can't drive a USB and a PS/2 mouse from the same "Configured Mouse" section |
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| 13:36.23 | peterS | DwyaneWade: best guess is X.org is doing a little of its own mouse detection behind our backs |
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| 13:36.55 | EdLin | narma: you forgot "main" |
| 13:37.12 | peterS | EdLin: no he didn't, he has main in another apt source |
| 13:37.22 | peterS | EdLin: one that wasn't working with non-free, for some reason |
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| 13:37.35 | narma | Penix, I think it is apt-setup which made my sources.list |
| 13:37.35 | narma | but I haven't got it anymore (and I can't find the package which contains apt-setup) |
| 13:37.35 | narma | but how can I add non-free package ? |
| 13:37.38 | Smeta | can someone tell me what to put in sources.list? i run stable |
| 13:37.39 | EdLin | peterS: OK, I guess I missed the beginning of the conversation |
| 13:37.42 | DwyaneWade | yes of course. both of them didn't work simultaneously but i never really cared cause the USB one worked. no that the usb is away i tried to make the ps/2 work too. |
| 13:37.42 | narma | thanx EdLin i test |
| 13:37.57 | DwyaneWade | but as i was freezing in Windows too it CERTAINLY is hardware issue, right? |
| 13:38.07 | peterS | DwyaneWade: I expect so |
| 13:38.59 | narma | It tells me that there is no 'main' on http://ftp.debian.org unstable :c\ |
| 13:39.17 | jm_ | time to properly edit sources.list |
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| 13:41.23 | echnaton | hi is there a howto for installing debian sid. |
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| 13:41.34 | narma | ok it is good. I comment with '#' entries for src and now it works....I must have a problem with src entries but It deosn't matter thanx EdLin and peterS :) |
| 13:41.58 | omry|work | EdLin, copy con rulez. :) |
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| 13:42.00 | ecidadania18 | oi meu nome e rafael |
| 13:42.13 | ecidadania18 | que e voçe |
| 13:42.21 | omry|work | !fr |
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| 13:42.29 | ecidadania18 | mcnkvbdf,lnbgjft |
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| 13:42.49 | smains | omay, isn't he talking portugeese? |
| 13:42.51 | luck_luc | bando de bobo alquem aqui fala portugues? |
| 13:43.00 | bbrazil | !br |
| 13:43.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:43.02 | omry|work | smains, now he is talking gibrish. |
| 13:43.15 | luck_luc | !br |
| 13:43.15 | kingsley | PeterS: Thanks for courteously helping so many on #debian. You're a good resource. |
| 13:43.15 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:43.21 | smains | omry|work, ok, but before ) |
| 13:43.22 | luck_luc | !us |
| 13:43.23 | dpkg | [us] United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun |
| 13:43.29 | luck_luc | !pt |
| 13:43.30 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:43.34 | ecidadania18 | whats iour name |
| 13:43.37 | peterS | np, kingsley, though I ought to go to bed at some point, since the sun is up now |
| 13:43.38 | luck_luc | !jp |
| 13:43.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jp is Japan |
| 13:44.03 | orlowsks | Can anyone explain how you mount a usb drive |
| 13:44.23 | kingsley | PeterS: Yes, I agree. Getting enough sleep is underrated. |
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| 13:44.27 | rootnoverify | it automounts |
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| 13:44.36 | luck_luc | valeu bando do bob |
| 13:44.40 | echnaton | so there is no tutorial for that |
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| 13:44.56 | SimonRaven | we got some live ones here |
| 13:45.13 | orlowsks | What dir does it auto mount to |
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| 13:45.17 | bbrazil | orlowsks: you got the kernel modules loaded? |
| 13:45.36 | nkuttler | orlowsks: type mount |
| 13:45.37 | echnaton | hm i downloaded the debian netinstall testing disc |
| 13:45.52 | orlowsks | bbrazil: usb modules? |
| 13:46.10 | orlowsks | doesn't show up with the mount command |
| 13:46.14 | bbrazil | orlowsks: usb_storage and sg_mod iirc |
| 13:46.23 | dutchfish | how to install phpmyadmin on etch with mysql5 & php5? apt is complaining about dependicies to php4 and wants to remove all php5 related modules |
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| 13:46.29 | nkuttler | orlowsks: try mount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint, check dmesg |
| 13:46.29 | orlowsks | bbrazil: Yes |
| 13:46.30 | xfan | Hi spricht jemand hier auch deutsch |
| 13:46.33 | nkuttler | !de |
| 13:46.33 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 13:46.43 | bbrazil | orlowsks: look in dmesg output for the device - probably /dev/sda |
| 13:46.53 | Gnea | dutchfish: equivs |
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| 13:46.57 | bbrazil | orlowsks: then do mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 13:47.14 | kingsley | bbrazil: You're doing great work on #debian too. Polite and constructive. Thanks. |
| 13:47.18 | dutchfish | Gnea, ? |
| 13:47.22 | Gnea | !equivs |
| 13:47.22 | dpkg | equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 13:47.40 | adii | hello, i'm trying to get access to a wireless network. lspci shows "texas instrument : unknown device ac54" : what should i do ? |
| 13:47.44 | orlowsks | Thank you all for the help, must leave for a moment |
| 13:48.00 | Gnea | adii: update-pciids |
| 13:48.21 | ricercar | Hi there, I don't have a DVD burner. Does anyone know of a boot diskette that let's me install from a DVD iso image stored on a disk partition? |
| 13:48.45 | Gnea | ricercar: no. |
| 13:48.53 | dutchfish | Gnea, i meant does this work with my dependicie problems? and is it save to do so? |
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| 13:49.20 | dutchfish | Gnea, or better installing phpmyadmin from source? |
| 13:49.24 | jm_ | ricercar: install the base, loop mount it and configure apt to get the files frm there |
| 13:49.30 | nkuttler | doesn't apt-cdrom support dvds? |
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| 13:49.59 | stew | ricercar: are you a Bach fan? |
| 13:50.07 | Gnea | dutchfish: the best way to fix it is to get the phpmyadmin source and patch it to support php5/mysql5 |
| 13:50.07 | adii | Gnea : what will that do ? |
| 13:50.19 | ricercar | I don't have the actual DVD, just the iso image |
| 13:50.22 | Gnea | adii: next time you type lspci it should have more info |
| 13:50.27 | ricercar | stew: definitely |
| 13:50.28 | dutchfish | Gnea, ok thx, i will try your advise |
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| 13:50.41 | Gnea | dutchfish: 'advice' good luck |
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| 13:50.53 | ricercar | jm_:Thanx |
| 13:51.27 | Andrew_P | Hi, cannot find out how to pass options to configure within dpkg-buildpackage... Could anybody guide me with that? |
| 13:51.32 | dwalton59 | GNEA I ran LSPCI and tha network card is there but it is still not working |
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| 13:51.38 | adii | gnea ok thanks |
| 13:51.46 | peterS | ricercar: best bet is to boot the installer from a netinst CD, which is like 120 MB of download - assuming you have a CD writer. if you don't, perhaps you can use the hd-media boot method with a portable USB drive of some sort |
| 13:51.59 | Gnea | dwalton59: lspci itself isn't going to fix it, you need to install the right driver |
| 13:52.14 | ricercar | peter5: where can if find the netinstall cd? |
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| 13:52.19 | Gnea | dwalton59: that only shows you what the hardware IS so you can match up the right driver |
| 13:52.28 | user_ | slt |
| 13:52.28 | peterS | ricercar: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and other places linked from www.debian.org |
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| 13:52.48 | orlowsks | Sorry under the mount command i find /dev/hda4 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 13:52.48 | orlowsks | /dev/hda2 on /mnt/hda2 type vfat (rw) |
| 13:52.48 | orlowsks | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 13:52.48 | orlowsks | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 13:52.48 | orlowsks | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 13:52.48 | orlowsks | usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
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| 13:52.51 | dwalton59 | the card is a VIA tech VT6102 Where do I get it at |
| 13:52.56 | ricercar | peter5: Thanx a lot. |
| 13:53.23 | dutchfish | Gnea, or can i use from unstable instead of testing (phpmyadmin) |
| 13:53.31 | Gnea | dwalton59: are you sure that's the subsystem chip it's using? check lspci -v |
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| 13:53.48 | dwalton59 | I did and it is |
| 13:53.51 | Gnea | dutchfish: you can try, but it might not work |
| 13:54.25 | orlowsks | Under the mount command I find this usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 13:54.37 | Gnea | dwalton59: that's a via-rhine II |
| 13:54.42 | bbrazil | orlowsks: thats something else |
| 13:54.49 | dwalton59 | yes it is |
| 13:54.50 | peterS | ricercar: hmm, the page I pointed you to is mainly for install images of debian testing, not debian stable. click carefully there. guess you'll want http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:54.55 | dutchfish | Gnea, seams that more people had the same problems with connecting to mysql5 also... this should be fixed in unstable |
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| 13:55.35 | jm_ | maybe it's the same issue as with MySQL 4.1 vs 4.0 - there can be compatiiblity issues too, but documentation explains what to do |
| 13:55.41 | Gnea | dutchfish: it might be, it might not be - testing and unstable are not, well, stable |
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| 13:55.45 | w000 | is there a way to cancel a gateway? 'route -n' outputs a GW line on the eth card I use to connect to the internet and I think that removing it might solve a problem I'm having |
| 13:55.48 | peppet | orlowsks, are you using sarge or what? |
| 13:55.56 | dutchfish | Gnea, i know.. i give it try |
| 13:55.57 | orlowsks | sid |
| 13:56.01 | user_ | j ai installer debien j arrive bien a me connecter en mode root l interface tu kde lance pas |
| 13:56.10 | peterS | w000: you can use 'route delete' |
| 13:56.10 | bbrazil | !fr |
| 13:56.12 | segfault- | hi there i got a syntax error on lilo when setting up a bmp file (using /usr/share/lilo/debianlilobmp.conf |
| 13:56.17 | peppet | w000, route del |
| 13:56.18 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:56.19 | peterS | w000: I mean 'route del |
| 13:56.20 | Gnea | dwalton59: so load the driver module for it |
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| 13:56.35 | segfault- | (checked the man already nothing helped yet) |
| 13:56.41 | dwalton59 | how do I do that in Debian |
| 13:56.49 | orlowsks | When i try to mount /dev/sda1 it says it isn't in the fstab |
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| 13:56.51 | Gnea | same as you would any distro |
| 13:56.53 | opqdonut | hmm, i have a ps file that has its pages in the wrong order: 2, 1, 4, 3, 6, 5 and so on. is there any way to fix this? |
| 13:56.55 | Gnea | modprobe <driver> |
| 13:56.56 | _joey | this header is missing tls_openssl.c:25:25: warning: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory. Which package should I install ? |
| 13:57.01 | bbrazil | orlowsks: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 13:57.13 | peterS | opqdonut: 'psselect' from the psutils package |
| 13:57.19 | opqdonut | thanks peterS |
| 13:57.35 | Gnea | i think it's modprobe via-rhine |
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| 13:57.52 | Andrew_P | so which way is there to build a package with some custom options, I mean to pass options into configure from the dpkg-buildpackage command? |
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| 13:58.10 | peterS | Andrew_P: you can edit 'debian/rules' to change the configure options. that's one way |
| 13:58.13 | ricercar | 'Bye for now |
| 13:58.15 | valdyn | Andrew_P: edit debian/rules |
| 13:58.15 | dwalton59 | Thx |
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| 13:58.43 | peterS | Andrew_P: the other way is to set the environment variable "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS". many packages accept the flags "nostrip" and "noopt", a few accept "debug" and "notest" |
| 13:58.45 | orlowsks | bbrazil: It keeps asking for a filesystem type |
| 13:58.55 | orlowsks | I'm sure it fat |
| 13:58.56 | bbrazil | orlowsks: try /dev/sda |
| 13:59.05 | w000 | ty |
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| 13:59.11 | w000 | peterS and peppet |
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| 13:59.16 | peterS | my packages support all four if applicable (: |
| 13:59.25 | orlowsks | bbrazil: Same thing |
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| 13:59.44 | bbrazil | orlowsks: anything of note in fdisk -l /dev/sda output? |
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| 14:00.14 | peterS | Andrew_P: [rebroadcast, you quit unexpectedly] the other way is to set the environment variable "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS". many packages accept the flags "nostrip" and "noopt", a few accept "debug" and "notest" |
| 14:00.17 | orlowsks | bbrazil: Unable to open device |
| 14:00.49 | bbrazil | orlowsks: taif -f /var/log/kern.log, remove and reinsert the usb device |
| 14:00.54 | bbrazil | *tail |
| 14:01.03 | azeem | s/notest/nocheck/ mostly I think |
| 14:01.12 | segfault- | hmmm if none has noticed i have a syntax error with lilo using bitmap=/boot/debianlilo.bmp |
| 14:01.19 | azeem | there's no consensus on this, unfortunately |
| 14:01.19 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.19 | Andrew_P | peterS: what was the first one, could you repeat please? my connection failed :( |
| 14:01.32 | peterS | azeem: oh, I support both, I didn't know which was more common |
| 14:01.37 | segfault- | (and the other options mentionned in /usr/share/lilo/debianlilobmp.conf) |
| 14:01.43 | peterS | Andrew_P: first one is just to edit 'debian/rules' and change flags yourself manually |
| 14:02.00 | Andrew_P | peterS: thanks, will try that |
| 14:02.05 | azeem | peterS: glibc does nocheck, and maybe python. I've been filing bugs for that and wanted to standardize on nocheck for etch, but I guess I need to hurry up :) |
| 14:02.29 | peterS | azeem: I invented both in subversion, didn't know anyone else had thought of the same thing, though it seems an obvious enough build feature |
| 14:02.54 | peterS | azeem: I'll make sure nocheck is considered canonical - I can't recall now which one is (: |
| 14:03.01 | peppet | !tell peppet about fr |
| 14:03.16 | azeem | peppet: please /msg the bot for your own business |
| 14:03.37 | peppet | azeem, ok, sorry ;) |
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| 14:03.55 | orlowsks | bbrazil: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x917/0x207) is not claimed by any active drive |
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| 14:04.23 | orlowsks | bbrazil: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x917/0x207) is not claimed by any active driver |
| 14:04.39 | bbrazil | orlowsks: you got sg usb-storage sd_mod all loaded? |
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| 14:05.09 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:05.51 | valdyn | !fr |
| 14:05.51 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 14:06.16 | orlowsks | bbrazil: how do i check? |
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| 14:06.23 | bbrazil | orlowsks: lsmod |
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| 14:08.51 | foo_ | Fetched 15.0MB in 1m12s (208kB/s) |
| 14:08.52 | foo_ | shark_: line 1: dpkg-source: command not found |
| 14:08.52 | foo_ | Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x glibc_2.3.2.ds1-22.dsc' failed. |
| 14:08.58 | foo_ | i get this error when i do |
| 14:09.01 | foo_ | apt-get source libc6 |
| 14:09.03 | foo_ | any idea? |
| 14:09.05 | eye69 | foo_: apt-get install dpkg-dev |
| 14:09.11 | jm_ | !tell foo about installit |
| 14:09.12 | foo_ | thanks |
| 14:09.20 | jm_ | I guess it has a space in it |
| 14:09.25 | jm_ | ahh no just lagged a bit |
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| 14:10.08 | orlowsks | bbrazil: yes they are loaded |
| 14:10.18 | plbgnr | hello, can anybody advise a good soft for editing wav? ... I tried 'apt-cache search wav edit' and I got lots of results... or some webpages with rating of debian packages? |
| 14:10.26 | tarzeau | plbgnr: audacity |
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| 14:10.44 | tarzeau | plbgnr: bugs.debian.org the smaller the page, the better the software |
| 14:10.44 | orlowsks | bbrazil: yes they are loaded...sd mod |
| 14:11.03 | bbrazil | orlowsks: I don't have a clue wahts going wrong then, could you put the kern.log bit up on paster? |
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| 14:11.23 | foo_ | how do i open tar.bz2 file? |
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| 14:11.33 | azeem | tar xjf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 14:11.38 | azeem | !tar |
| 14:11.38 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 14:11.39 | bbrazil | foo_: tar -xjf |
| 14:11.40 | peterS | foo_: you don't "open" it normally. you either inspect or extract it |
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| 14:11.57 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 14:12.05 | bbrazil | foo_: if you want a file list tar tljf |
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| 14:12.30 | elephantMan | How can i add more than one files to "rysnc --exclude-from" command ? |
| 14:12.31 | foo_ | thanks |
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| 14:13.30 | peterS | elephantMan: that's not a debian question, but the answer is, I'm not sure you can |
| 14:13.35 | elephantMan | Cause i rsync a lot of sites, all excludes files have a common part that i need to change in every file for the moment - I want to be able to 'exclude-from=common_files,specific_file' |
| 14:13.36 | bbrazil | elephantMan: have you tried specifying it multiple times? |
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| 14:13.58 | bbrazil | elephantMan: if not cat file1 file2 | rsync --exclude-from=- |
| 14:13.59 | elephantMan | peterS, yes sorry |
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| 14:14.30 | elephantMan | bbrazil, oh great - I didn't understand the point of 'exclude-from=-'. Thanx a lot |
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| 14:15.13 | plbgnr | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 14:16.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:16.35 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:20.10 | martynas | how to print the selected lines from file? |
| 14:20.40 | azeem | martynas: that largely depends on your editor, I guess |
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| 14:21.21 | dusty- | hrm, does irssi have a command like /detach in bitchx? |
| 14:21.42 | martynas | i want to process the text, grep, cat, echo - does not matter to me |
| 14:21.46 | azeem | dusty-: yes, I think so |
| 14:21.51 | azeem | though I use screen(1) for that |
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| 14:22.03 | dusty- | azeem, any other way? |
| 14:22.31 | azeem | martynas: so pipe it to lpr? Maybe via a2ps first? |
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| 14:22.34 | dna_ | ** WARNING **: Glade has been compiled without support for Gnome. |
| 14:22.34 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.42 | azeem | martynas: not sure what that has todo with printing, really |
| 14:22.46 | testmachine | screen++ |
| 14:23.01 | dwalton59 | GNEa I used the modprobe and it did not fix the problem do I need to reboot after ? |
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| 14:23.07 | azeem | dusty-: well, check the documentation, I read that it is possible, but I use screen, so I do not know the exact command |
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| 14:23.37 | dusty- | ok |
| 14:24.08 | HyperZid | hi.. anyone can help me with getting "Creative Labs SB Audigy LS" soundcard working? |
| 14:24.20 | HyperZid | guess I need to load some kinda driver |
| 14:24.29 | HyperZid | and check alsamixer.. |
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| 14:24.55 | HyperZid | cant see that soundcard in alsamixer |
| 14:24.57 | jm_ | !tell HyperZid -about alsa for morons |
| 14:25.28 | dwalton59 | Gnea I loaded the driver and it did not fix the problem |
| 14:25.57 | martynas | how can i echo a \n to text, so cat can process it as newline character? the text cant take more than 1 line, but when using cat has to print lots of lines? |
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| 14:26.22 | jm_ | martynas: read the docs for echo command, i.e. -e |
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| 14:26.58 | martynas | echo is echo, i need to do it with cat/grep |
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| 14:27.30 | jm_ | so why the hell did you ask "how can i echo a"? |
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| 14:28.44 | omry|work | jm_, he asked about echosing a newline (\ n) |
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| 14:28.53 | omry|work | maybe your client treated it as a newline :) |
| 14:29.05 | jm_ | omry|work: yes, I told him how to do it, he never said he can't use echo |
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| 14:29.09 | dwalton59 | Gnea are u there |
| 14:29.16 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i have smth weird, my pc says eth0 link up, eth0 link down |
| 14:29.18 | jm_ | besides, I still don't quite understand what he wants |
| 14:29.20 | merci_ | anyone have any thoughts on how possible it might be to pin OpenOffice 2 from Unstable for Testing? |
| 14:29.21 | |DuReX| | and it floods over the screen |
| 14:29.21 | HyperZid | jm_, I cant detect my creative sound card.. I only get up my default soundcard.. a c-media one. |
| 14:29.23 | peterS | martynas: you can always use printf '\n\n\n\n'.... |
| 14:29.24 | |DuReX| | what could be wrong ? |
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| 14:29.36 | abrotman | Gnea: d0 u l1k3 17 wh3n w3 t41k l1k3 th1s ? |
| 14:29.42 | abrotman | damn that hurt |
| 14:29.50 | jm_ | HyperZid: ALSA web page will tell you which module handles it, you might need a newer kernel too |
| 14:29.58 | peterS | abortman: abort, abort |
| 14:30.02 | omry|work | jm_, he wants to use one echo command to print several lines, broke by newlines. |
| 14:30.03 | martynas | how to do it with cat? |
| 14:30.19 | HyperZid | jm_: I got 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:30.22 | jm_ | omry|work: then I fail to see how what I said is wrong |
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| 14:30.23 | abrotman | peterS: ab0rt ? :) |
| 14:30.26 | jm_ | HyperZid: that's very old |
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| 14:30.38 | omry|work | jm_, never mind, I think he confused us both. |
| 14:30.53 | HyperZid | jm_: ok.. trying to do an update |
| 14:31.04 | abrotman | jm_: ask #freebsd ? |
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| 14:31.13 | jm_ | HyperZid: first find out the module name |
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| 14:31.23 | jm_ | abrotman: thanks, I'll pass ;) |
| 14:31.24 | HyperZid | jm_: ok |
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| 14:32.16 | Tenkawa | whats the dpkg set of commands to clone a system's package list? |
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| 14:32.21 | merci_ | anyone have any thoughts on how possible it might be to pin OpenOffice 2 from Unstable for Testing? |
| 14:32.27 | stew | Tenkawa: /msg dpkg selections |
| 14:32.28 | Tenkawa | I use to have it noted but seem to have lost t |
| 14:32.30 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 14:32.39 | Tenkawa | yep thats the one |
| 14:32.42 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 14:32.48 | abrotman | jm_: what .. i was serious .. they'd probably know better than we would |
| 14:32.56 | liran__ | seems like i can't access my cdrom drive (debian etch 64), my fstab reads: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 14:33.04 | Tenkawa | was trying to remember which keyword it was stored under and couldnt remember at all heh |
| 14:33.05 | takatumi | abrotman: he didn't ask. |
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| 14:33.20 | abrotman | takatumi: oh .. misfire! |
| 14:33.24 | abrotman | aidehua: that was for you! |
| 14:33.43 | aidehua | abrotman: do you mean "jm_: oh .. misrfire!" ? |
| 14:33.50 | jm_ | heh |
| 14:33.55 | aidehua | ;) |
| 14:34.15 | tarzeau | hey abrotman |
| 14:34.19 | Tenkawa | Any of you use layeredtech as a provider? |
| 14:34.28 | takatumi | tarzeau: popcon |
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| 14:34.35 | tarzeau | !popcorn |
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| 14:34.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar shop! |
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| 14:35.03 | takatumi | tarzeau: patent! |
| 14:35.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: mazeofgalious or opencubicplayer first |
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| 14:35.11 | tarzeau | takatumi: haha |
| 14:36.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: go to guitar shop first .. then i play! |
| 14:36.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: just one package first |
| 14:36.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: and then i'll go |
| 14:36.47 | abrotman | can't trust the swiss! |
| 14:36.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not swiss! |
| 14:37.02 | takatumi | abrotman: ocp! |
| 14:37.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: yeah! http://taito.overclocked.org/ri/risid.zip |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. today you're turkish ? |
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| 14:39.32 | takatumi | tarzeau: Segmentation Fault |
| 14:39.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm still, but soon i'm swiss |
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| 14:39.57 | tarzeau | takatumi: sid? stable? |
| 14:40.02 | takatumi | tarzeau: sid |
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| 14:40.23 | tarzeau | takatumi: did you upgrade all? |
| 14:40.30 | takatumi | tarzeau: 0.1.9-2 |
| 14:40.43 | tarzeau | takatumi: but do an upgrade, because of ocp's dependencies |
| 14:41.02 | takatumi | tarzeau: did one a week or so back, will try. |
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| 14:42.56 | HyperZid | Sound Blaster Audigy SE UNKNOWN Details (emu10k1) [X-] |
| 14:42.56 | HyperZid | Card on it's way to developers. Sound badly distorted. |
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| 14:43.01 | HyperZid | :\ |
| 14:43.19 | jm_ | HyperZid: I thought you have LS |
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| 14:43.35 | HyperZid | yes.. what I trought myself.. from lspci |
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| 14:43.56 | HyperZid | but on the package.. it says "sound blaster audiy SE" |
| 14:43.59 | tarzeau | takatumi: a new version is in the works, fixes ld stuff, has alsa support, and i'll enable linking for adplug, and aylet's supported too |
| 14:44.06 | tarzeau | takatumi: some new file browse mode, and more keys enabled |
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| 14:44.17 | takatumi | tarzeau: cool |
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| 14:44.38 | jm_ | HyperZid: what's its PCI ID? |
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| 14:44.58 | ILF_ | 2 problems in sid. 2.6.14-2 can't find /sys/block/hda/dev on bootup and fails to boot. also in 2.6.12 gnome fails to start now, although gdm is fine and it used to work. wtf? |
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| 14:45.18 | takatumi | ILF_: querybts yaird |
| 14:45.39 | ILF_ | takatumi: ? |
| 14:46.31 | HyperZid | jm_: 0000:02:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
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| 14:46.36 | takatumi | !dbugs #343042 |
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| 14:46.39 | dpkg | #343042:[yaird] linux-image-2.6.14-2-686: Boot aborts with message '/bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/hda1/dev: No such file or directory'; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:48:02 UTC |
| 14:46.51 | Andy0516 | how do i extract a tar.gz? |
| 14:47.08 | jm_ | HyperZid: that's not a PCI ID, use lspci -n |
| 14:47.23 | hans0lo | Andy0516: tar xzvf filename.tar.gz |
| 14:47.25 | takatumi | Andy0516: tar xvzf tar.gz, man tar |
| 14:47.46 | jm_ | HyperZid: anyway, try ca0106 module |
| 14:47.46 | HyperZid | jm_: sorry.. 0000:02:01.0 0401: 1102:0007 |
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| 14:48.09 | takatumi | tags time for jm_ ;) |
| 14:48.15 | HectoLight | hi |
| 14:48.20 | Andy0516 | how do i rename a folder? |
| 14:48.34 | SlammerXP | Andy0516: mv |
| 14:48.43 | bibe | Andy0516 : mv folder new_folder |
| 14:48.52 | Andy0516 | thanks |
| 14:49.08 | HectoLight | bye |
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| 14:49.47 | madradrone | Andy0516: check this guide out: http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/toc.html |
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| 14:50.32 | nixxie | argh |
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| 14:50.43 | madradrone | Andy0516: or this one is even better: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/gs.html |
| 14:50.51 | HyperZid | jm_: dont got that driver in my kernel.. but i'm upgrading atm.. |
| 14:51.14 | fireba11 | okay .. since i confirmed now that the 3rd tape DRIVE died in 5 years here i'm open for new suggestions for backup storage ^^ |
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| 14:51.29 | nixxie | is there a way to control how cut/paste works in X. I'm going insane; whenever i select something in an xterm and i want to paste it in (for instance) a firefox url, the buffer contents get replaced because if i click on the url, its selected. this is just one example |
| 14:52.04 | LoneWlf | fireba11: sata raid? |
| 14:52.06 | doleyb | nixxie: don't use xterm then. |
| 14:52.12 | nixxie | doley: or Eterm |
| 14:52.18 | nixxie | or any other native X application |
| 14:52.24 | fireba11 | LoneWlf: something withoption for off-site storage |
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| 14:52.38 | azeem | nixxie: did you try to just paste into firefox's main window, not the url bar? |
| 14:52.47 | doleyb | nixxie: well, for the specific example you mention, you should just select it in xterm, and then middle click anywhere on firefox (not in the url text) |
| 14:52.50 | LoneWlf | fireba11: 2 sata raids then, mirrored over vpn |
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| 14:53.08 | LoneWlf | fireba11: how much data are we talkin' bout? |
| 14:53.14 | darkcmd | how many packages are there in apt |
| 14:53.15 | nixxie | different example: the search bar up right. same deal? paste it on the icon? |
| 14:53.51 | nixxie | more common example: i want to add text to an existing url. |
| 14:54.07 | nixxie | i can go while (true); echo example; done |
| 14:54.27 | LoneWlf | fireba11: tape is still cheaper per gig... |
| 14:54.41 | LoneWlf | fireba11: even with the cost of a drive... or maintenance on the drive |
| 14:54.53 | nixxie | of all the things i love about linux, i hate its copy/paste functionality in X |
| 14:55.04 | LoneWlf | nixxie: really? I love it |
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| 14:55.23 | LoneWlf | nixie: it's just annoying that you can't highlight yr destination... |
| 14:55.25 | LoneWlf | that's all |
| 14:55.28 | fireba11 | LoneWlf: full backup currently 25 GB .. should be able to hold 40 though since i expect a rather fast increase in data |
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| 14:56.00 | LoneWlf | fireba11: kent shields, good as new, dlt8000 drives |
| 14:56.16 | darkcmd | how can I check to see how many packages there are in apt |
| 14:56.29 | nixxie | well, as soon as i ahve selected something to add to the firefox search bar, the search bar contents get selected and poof, gone is my buffer content. this makes it extremely annoying to copy/paste if you want to just add some text to an existing line |
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| 14:56.48 | hammerabi | darkcmd: apt-cache stats |
| 14:56.53 | fireba11 | LoneWlf: it's just that our tandberg DTL VS 80 just died here ... and since it's the 3rd drive in 5 years the boss doesn't trust those a lot anymore |
| 14:56.54 | doleyb | nixxie: you're not talking about copy/paste, you're talking about x-selection, which is something else. |
| 14:57.03 | doleyb | nixxie: your real complaint is that old x apps have no concept of "copy" |
| 14:57.05 | LoneWlf | fireba11: honestly though, my solution would be to have the drives under some kind of maintenance, as at this juncture you _know_ it pays |
| 14:57.17 | dna_ | how do I remove libgnome2-common so I can install a better version? |
| 14:57.28 | azeem | dna_: just update it? |
| 14:57.29 | doleyb | nixxie: because if you test copying something from firefox, or abiword or something with a "copy" command, you can select your desitination there. |
| 14:57.31 | rootnoverify | upgrade it? :p |
| 14:57.33 | LoneWlf | fireba11: I know they die alot, but... the tapes _never_ die |
| 14:57.35 | darkcmd | hammerabi: what do you get? |
| 14:57.49 | nixxie | doley you're basically right. i was about to mock about the difference of apps copy/paste functions versus selected-is-copied |
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| 14:58.00 | dna_ | azeem, I try to but it seems to lock up apt-get when it updates the package |
| 14:58.08 | azeem | dna_: how so? |
| 14:58.15 | hammerabi | darkcmd: it depends on your debian release |
| 14:58.17 | dna_ | I also tried tomanally remove it and all these other packages depend on it |
| 14:58.40 | azeem | dna_: manually removing something is in general a bad idea |
| 14:58.43 | darkcmd | sarge |
| 14:58.49 | dna_ | azeem, wait it just worked |
| 14:58.50 | dna_ | weird |
| 14:59.49 | takatumi | darkcmd: to paste to firefox, as mentioned above, paste to the window instead of the URL bar. |
| 15:00.07 | nixxie | however, if i just select a passage of webpage text in firefox, it gets automatically copied to the buffer, without me having to push ctrl-c, or rightclick>copy. |
| 15:00.18 | doleyb | nixxie: so it might be nice if there was a way that newer apps could flag themselves as "including a copy command", and apps which did that would not have the select-to-copy behavior found in older ones. |
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| 15:00.27 | takatumi | nixxie: middle click |
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| 15:01.02 | doleyb | nixxie: no it doesn't. Try this in firefox: select some text, ctrl-c, select more text, go to field, ctrl-v. |
| 15:01.23 | doleyb | nixxie: you get the FIRST text you selected, not the second, because there are separate buffers for copy and x-selection. |
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| 15:01.36 | doleyb | (that's just technicalities though) |
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| 15:02.12 | nixxie | doley: it's the definition of my problem |
| 15:02.55 | doleyb | have you tried klipper? |
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| 15:03.06 | Andrew_P | Wanted to install monodevelop and all the fine stuff (mono and mono-devel are already set up) but they depend at least on libglib-cil, libgtk-cil, libgnome-cil, libglade-cil... And those need more fresh glib/gtk and some other packages than Sarge already has :( Didn't anybody see the build for Sarge or some kind of workaround? |
| 15:03.27 | madclicker | how can i get ktorrent in etch/ |
| 15:03.30 | madclicker | ? |
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| 15:03.42 | nixxie | its not uniform. and since i extensively use terminal emulators, its really annoying. try to select part of an url in an xterm, and then add that part to an already existing url in firefox. i am naturally inclined to preselect the part to replace in the target url, but *poof*, when i do that, my x-selection buffer is ofcourse filled |
| 15:03.57 | nixxie | klipper, no. i hope its not a kde thing |
| 15:04.58 | Andrew_P | about mono, found deb http://people.debian.org/~formorer/mono backports main ... will try |
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| 15:05.39 | hammerabi | Andrew_P: mono in sarge is uninstallable? |
| 15:05.49 | hammerabi | or you're installing monodevelop from somewhere else? |
| 15:05.59 | dna_ | what extention are glade files ? |
| 15:05.59 | stew | nixxie: you can middle click right into the firefox window to go to the url in the x-selection, or "ctrl-l backspace" in firefox will clear the address bar without affecting the x-selection |
| 15:06.00 | doleyb | nixxie: file a feature request on firefox, ask them not to overwrite x-selection |
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| 15:06.16 | nixxie | stew: try the partial url example. it's my most common one. |
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| 15:07.04 | stew | nixxie: i must not be following then, becuase I don't experience the same problem |
| 15:07.05 | nixxie | doleyb: that'd be more of a workaround. no, i need to figure this out. it's hurting my productivity since i have to re-select my data 2 or sometimes even 3 times |
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| 15:07.20 | hammerabi | dna_: doesn't matter |
| 15:07.25 | hammerabi | dna_: .glade is traditional, tho |
| 15:07.36 | liran__ | i cant get access to my cdrom for some reason |
| 15:07.42 | doleyb | stew: All your examples erase the ENTIRE existing firefox url. |
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| 15:07.50 | liran__ | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 15:08.17 | nixxie | stew: open an xterm. type some text, like funky+chicken. open firefox. google on funny ducks. replace the funny+ducks with funky+chicken. one is naturally inclined to select the funny+ducks text by selecting that text and then pasting the buffer. this fails. |
| 15:08.24 | nixxie | for the buffer gets filled at selection. |
| 15:08.40 | doleyb | nixxie: you need for either xterm to get clipboard support (or swtich to a terminal which has it), or for firefox to get a toggle to turn off x-selection support. Call those new features "workarounds", but they're your only way (aside from a clipboard daemon) |
| 15:08.49 | nixxie | and yes, i can position the cursor in front of funny+ducks and push delete a lot, but that's not really efficient. |
| 15:09.41 | Andrew_P | hammerabi: i've already installed mono. mono-devel and core libraries, from a CD that was downloaded some time ago from http://debian.meebey.net/, and now am looking for monodevelop and monodoc... |
| 15:09.50 | stew | nixxie: ok so you aren't having a problem with firefox, but the basic workings of the x-selection, you should look at klipper |
| 15:09.57 | nixxie | doleyb: i'll look into patching Eterm, but i fear the worst |
| 15:10.02 | nixxie | and i run ion3, not kde. =/ |
| 15:10.14 | doleyb | nixxie: if you use a non-ancient terminal, such as konsole for example, it will support clipboard. |
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| 15:10.24 | hammerabi | Andrew_P: if you're using mono from outside Debian, you need to talk to whoever made it about finding compatible monodevelop packages. |
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| 15:10.29 | stew | nixxie: you can run klipper in ion3 |
| 15:10.41 | doleyb | nixxie: when you select something in konsole and do Edit,Copy, then it will stay in buffer regardless of what other text you select (until you do Copy again) |
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| 15:11.09 | Andrew_P | hammerabi: OK... with "deb http://people.debian.org/~formorer/mono backports main" only libgtksourceview2.0-cil remains unsatisfied |
| 15:11.23 | nixxie | yea. but that stinks, for in terminals all text should be copied when selected. which is why i prefer the x/eterm way for terminals. |
| 15:11.31 | nixxie | am i too picky? :) |
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| 15:11.45 | doleyb | nixxie: no, but you are asking for terminals to have a special behavior, different from other x apps. |
| 15:12.05 | doleyb | nixxie: you say "terminals should copy when selected, other apps shouldn't". So to get that behavior, you must patch either the terms or the other apps. |
| 15:12.44 | nixxie | i guess i should stop using the x-selection buffer alltogether |
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| 15:13.12 | stew | nixxie: you are saying that in terms when you select it should be put into the selection AND the clipboard? |
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| 15:13.37 | audi | who can help me? |
| 15:13.55 | Boil | depends what you want help with |
| 15:14.01 | stew | audi: nobody until you ask a question |
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| 15:14.12 | nixxie | stew, well its complicated, but that would solve some if not most of my headaches. |
| 15:14.14 | audi | ok stew |
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| 15:14.15 | sifi | !help |
| 15:14.18 | snalwuer | hi. |
| 15:14.33 | madradrone | nixxie: i notice that when i select from rxvt, i cannot paste into Word or other crossover office apps. I have to first open something like gedit, then paste there, then ctrl-c the text and ctrl-v it into Word |
| 15:14.48 | audi | i'm doing the net installation but it don't ask me to setup the connection, so obviousoly it can't connect to any server for install, how can i do? |
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| 15:15.00 | snalwuer | how do I compile a 64-bit kernel (amd64) on a 32-bit debian stable? |
| 15:15.02 | nixxie | madradrone, is that the other part of this problem? e.g. no x-selection support at all |
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| 15:15.10 | snalwuer | is there some crosscompiler available? |
| 15:15.15 | possie | i have a scsi device that has ID 112, does this matter for linux? or will it only scan for a certain amount of ID's? |
| 15:15.27 | Penix | ooo. my firewall's disk is sending me postcards about its impending death. how fun |
| 15:15.40 | Boil | snalwuer, you like instable 64bit drivers? |
| 15:15.41 | madradrone | nixxie: i guess. gedit must support both, crossover apps only copy/paste, and rxvt only x-selection |
| 15:15.57 | snalwuer | Boil: doesnt matter. |
| 15:15.59 | madradrone | nixxie: what terms do you know support copy/paste? |
| 15:16.08 | nixxie | Konsole |
| 15:16.11 | Boil | I couldn't even get X drivers |
| 15:16.14 | Boil | for 64bit |
| 15:16.22 | stew | audi: the sarge installer? or which? |
| 15:16.25 | nixxie | all the kde/gnome stuff, which i dont really use, use clipboard afaik. |
| 15:16.29 | snalwuer | Boil: machines are nforce4, so stability is not an issue anyways ;) |
| 15:16.44 | audi | Someone know it? |
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| 15:16.53 | Boil | I'm running nforce4 with an athlon 64bit 3500+ |
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| 15:17.05 | Boil | and without going to 32bit I couldn't even get X drivers |
| 15:17.16 | madradrone | nixxie: yes gnome-console started to annoy me with its automatic selection features. maybe i will try konsole again, though its way more bloated than i want/need for a term |
| 15:17.24 | audi | i'm doing the net installation but it don't ask me to setup the connection, so obviousoly it can't connect to any server for install, how can i do? |
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| 15:17.27 | snalwuer | Boil: hmkay. nvidia has them, so no problem there ;) |
| 15:17.36 | doleyb | madradrone: xterm is more bloated than I want! (use rxvt) |
| 15:17.37 | Boil | hell, I had a nightmare even getting the network working |
| 15:17.46 | nixxie | i'll look into klipper for now. |
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| 15:17.49 | madradrone | doleyb: i use rxvt too and love it |
| 15:17.53 | snalwuer | Boil: thats true. fscking forcedeth. |
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| 15:18.01 | stew | audi: which installer? sarge aka 3.1? |
| 15:18.05 | doleyb | nixxie: i don't think klipper by itself would save you... although a small mod on it would |
| 15:18.08 | madradrone | doleyb: urxvt to be exact... |
| 15:18.10 | audi | stable 3.1 stew |
| 15:18.14 | snalwuer | Boil: damn sun for using nforce4 in their ultra20. |
| 15:18.24 | Boil | hehehe |
| 15:18.32 | Boil | Oooohh |
| 15:18.32 | Boil | that reminds me |
| 15:18.34 | stew | audi: that's odd, it should ask you to setup net connection early in the install, try booting with "expert26" at the boot: prompt |
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| 15:18.58 | nixxie | doleyb, im afraid nothing will save me, except changing my behaviour |
| 15:19.02 | Boil | I found a kickass app that allows me to use the Abit uGuru temperature monitoring software under linux rather than just M$ like it was designed for |
| 15:19.03 | audi | it configure my ethernet, but don't ask me for anything |
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| 15:19.09 | audi | it try connecting via dhcp |
| 15:19.09 | doleyb | nixxie: see, klipper has an option to synchronize the clipboard and x-selection buffers, which would somewhat enable xterm to "copy to clipboard" whenever a selectio nhappens. |
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| 15:19.30 | doleyb | nixxie: but, to help you, it'd need to only do that synchronization in one direction, xselect->clipboard, and not the other way |
| 15:19.38 | stew | audi: if dhcp fails you should have the option for manual configuration |
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| 15:20.08 | snalwuer | Boil: n1ce |
| 15:20.15 | nixxie | mm maybe, maybe not. im testing 2way sync atm |
| 15:20.17 | audi | it don't fails, it says the auto-conf is OK, but then when it has to connect, fails on all servers, because it can't connect without dns and other stuff |
| 15:20.20 | Nwallins | the placeholder page for sarge's apache2 package (/apache2-default/index.html.en) has a link to /manual, and says that the manual has been installed locally, when it hasn't -- I can't find it anyway. aside from the potential bug, is there a package I can install to get a local copy of the manual? |
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| 15:20.27 | freddy | hello.. i have an AMD64 bits processor.. and i want to install debian, but in te mirrors ftp i don't see a folder that says AMD or some like that.. instead i only see a ia64.. is that the installation disc for AMD64?? |
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| 15:21.03 | nixxie | can i kill x-selection alltogether? |
| 15:21.13 | doleyb | freddy: don't use the amd64 distro unless you have some big smart reason to prefer it over the x86 distro. |
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| 15:21.16 | nixxie | orafu, map a button for the selection to actually go to the buffer? |
| 15:21.17 | stew | audi: after it configures with dhcp, hit meta-f2 then edit /etc/resolv.conf by hand |
| 15:21.18 | HyperZid | anyone got logs half an hour back on this channel?.. |
| 15:21.28 | HyperZid | jm_ told me one driver to use.. |
| 15:21.33 | audi | stew i already did it. |
| 15:21.36 | audi | but nothing to do. |
| 15:21.41 | audi | it can't connect |
| 15:21.49 | audi | dunno the reason |
| 15:21.58 | freddy | doleyb: x86 works fine with amd64? |
| 15:21.59 | doleyb | freddy: and NO, ia64 is not amd64!! ia64 =dead=evil. |
| 15:22.02 | stew | audi: then hit "Go Back" and select "Configure network connection" and select "manual network configuration" |
| 15:22.11 | madradrone | nixie: that would be nice |
| 15:22.15 | audi | i haven't this option Stereo |
| 15:22.18 | audi | stew* |
| 15:22.29 | stew | audi: which? |
| 15:22.36 | audi | configure netwtork |
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| 15:22.39 | audi | i don't have it |
| 15:22.53 | HyperZid | i'm wondring how to get "0000:02:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS", "0000:02:01.0 0401: 1102:0007" .... working |
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| 15:23.04 | audi | this is the thing i don't understand: how can a net installation works without a connection config.? |
| 15:23.12 | doleyb | freddy: yes, x86 distros are fine on amd64 (likewise, x86 MSWin also work on amd64). There is also a separate Debian Am64 version, but I don't suggest it unless you expert. |
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| 15:23.29 | HyperZid | I dont get up my card in alsaconf |
| 15:23.39 | freddy | ok.. thanks doleyb! ;) |
| 15:23.43 | stew | audi: then pull out the cable before its going to do dhcp so that dhcp fails, which will give you the opportunity for manual configuration |
| 15:23.44 | audi | HyperZid trash it and buy a new one :P |
| 15:24.02 | audi | you are a genius stew, now i go try it and then come back here :P |
| 15:24.07 | HyperZid | audi, a good idea:P.. think I actually might return it:) |
| 15:24.19 | nixxie | if i could have X not auto copy to the x-selection buffer on highlight, but instead press a key (ctrl alt c) to do that, then i'd be saved |
| 15:24.19 | audi | don't listen me HyperZid, im a noob :P |
| 15:24.21 | doleyb | HyperZid: did you http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 15:24.54 | stew | HyperZid: does "lsmod | grep emu10k" return anything? emu10k1 or snd-emu10k1? |
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| 15:25.36 | HyperZid | stew, nopes.. I cant see emu10k loaded.. |
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| 15:26.20 | goron | I am running mutt, but it fetches the 1900 headers everytime I load it. I already enabled the cache, but it doesn't seem to cache it. |
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| 15:26.22 | stew | HyperZid: try modprobe snd-emu10k1 and running alsamixer |
| 15:26.35 | bonz | gcc in sid fixed yet? |
| 15:26.45 | stew | bonz: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:26.51 | goron | Now, it takes >20 seconds before I can read mail. |
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| 15:27.08 | goron | On a textclient.... |
| 15:27.22 | HyperZid | no luck.. I only got "C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 ".. |
| 15:27.27 | HyperZid | maybe I Need to remove that one |
| 15:27.31 | HyperZid | ..first |
| 15:27.33 | stew | HyperZid: no |
| 15:27.39 | stew | HyperZid: try alsamixer -c1 |
| 15:27.59 | HyperZid | stew: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for hw:1: No such file or directory |
| 15:28.08 | doleyb | Can anybody hint me to make usb-cardreader work? as http://channels.debian.net/paste/1322 |
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| 15:28.31 | stew | HyperZid: then you might try removing smd-emu10k1 and snd-cmipci and re-inserting snd-emu10k1 |
| 15:28.37 | jsz | how do I set irssi to log? |
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| 15:29.02 | P4 | Hi |
| 15:29.09 | madradrone | doleyb: looks like you're good to go |
| 15:29.16 | madradrone | doleyb: can you just mount the scsi disk? |
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| 15:29.28 | bonz | stew: I was hoping more for a yes I just installed gcc & compiled 2.6.x.y with no drama using it yesterday, yadda yadda |
| 15:29.35 | stew | jsz: i believe you are looking for /set autolog on |
| 15:30.08 | stew | bonz: if we knew anything about gcc it would certainly be in the bts. |
| 15:30.18 | jsz | and where does it log to? |
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| 15:30.34 | jsz | bullshit |
| 15:30.40 | Ronin | jsz: perhaps www.irssi.org would help |
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| 15:30.50 | madradrone | doleyb: oh but you don't have the node sda1... |
| 15:30.54 | doleyb | madclicker: no, i'm not good. I'd need sdaN |
| 15:31.02 | RichiH | the bull, shit it does |
| 15:31.09 | doleyb | madradrone: right, no working |
| 15:31.16 | stew | jsz: ~/irclogs/$network/$channel by default, iirc, but its settable, /set autolog on ; /save ; and edit ~/.irssi/config |
| 15:31.24 | stondo | How do I set the x server priority under Sarge please? (during installation I skipped the part that allowed me to to that) |
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| 15:31.35 | madradrone | doleyb: can you just mknod it? |
| 15:31.37 | RichiH | jsz: yes |
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| 15:31.55 | madradrone | doleyb: i've never used plugdev |
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| 15:32.00 | RichiH | jsz: though irssi devs day it would be better not to touch the config directly |
| 15:32.02 | doleyb | madradrone: idk the mknod syntax, I guess i could read MAKEDEV for a long time |
| 15:32.06 | bonz | jsz: try less ~/.irssi/.config |
| 15:32.42 | RichiH | bonz: not .config |
| 15:32.46 | RichiH | just config |
| 15:33.06 | stondo | I meant how do I lower the priority under wich the X server is ran to increase performances. Is there a config file where I can mess with that= |
| 15:33.06 | HyperZid | stew, no luck.. alsamixer auto loads snd-cmipci.. but I never get up the other sound card.. no matter what order I load the modules in |
| 15:33.26 | bonz | you might discover the default settings there & then be able too use /help within irssi for setting/saving some what you consider sane defaults |
| 15:33.28 | LSorensen | HyperZid: what is the other card? |
| 15:33.47 | dwalton59 | Gnea are u there |
| 15:33.49 | HyperZid | 0000:02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 15:34.02 | LSorensen | stondo: lowering priority of X doesn't seem like a good idea since so many things depend on its responses to do their work |
| 15:34.04 | madradrone | doleyb: devices.txt in src documentation |
| 15:34.12 | LSorensen | HyperZid: did you add both alsa modules to /etc/modules? |
| 15:34.23 | P4 | Is it normall if my elive sends ICMP packet with message 'STOP WINDOWS REQUIRES IMMEDIATE ATTENTION... please download our helpful soft from our website'? |
| 15:34.39 | LSorensen | p4: what is elive? |
| 15:34.40 | HyperZid | LSorensen, no.. but how do I know which module I should add.. I can only see my c-media card in alsaconf |
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| 15:34.58 | LSorensen | HyperZid: ok, and which chip can you not see? |
| 15:35.07 | P4 | it's a kind of debian |
| 15:35.07 | doleyb | madradrone: that'd be a long-shot anyway, that the drivers are good enough to work right, but not good enough to automatically work like supposed to. |
| 15:35.17 | LSorensen | HyperZid: do both appear in /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 15:35.19 | hammerabi | P4: talk to whoever made it |
| 15:35.20 | madradrone | doleyb: mknod /dev/sda1 block 8 1 |
| 15:35.23 | HyperZid | LSorensen, "0000:02:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS", "0000:02:01.0 0401: 1102:0007" |
| 15:35.35 | LSorensen | HyperZid: so snd-emu10k1 |
| 15:35.36 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 15:35.36 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 15:35.42 | lgd_ | ciao a tutti |
| 15:35.42 | stondo | LSorensen: during the sarge installation I quickly read through the page that asked wheter or not I wanted to change the priority. Now I'm just curious, also I'd like to know what would I modify in order to lower that priority, just for curiosity's sake |
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| 15:35.51 | Eulex | !tell lgd_ about it |
| 15:35.59 | HyperZid | LSorensen, only my first one appears in /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:36.02 | madradrone | doleyb: i don't know why you're using plugdev... |
| 15:36.06 | lgd_ | Eulex: ?_? |
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| 15:36.10 | P4 | i don't know who made it, i'm worried about it's from my IP and i don't want it! |
| 15:36.14 | LSorensen | stondo: 2.4 kernels you want X at a higher than normal priority, while on 2.6 you want it at normal (0). You never want it lower than normal |
| 15:36.20 | HyperZid | LSorensen, modprobe snd-emu10k1 dosnt help |
| 15:36.22 | hammerabi | P4: this has nothing to do with Debian |
| 15:36.23 | LSorensen | HyperZid: and which snd-* modules are in /etc/modules ? |
| 15:36.33 | LSorensen | HyperZid: hmm, LS, let me just check what an LS is |
| 15:36.35 | Eulex | lgd_, you don't see the /msg from dpkg? |
| 15:36.35 | doleyb | madradrone: idk why you tihnk I'm using "plugdev", whatever that is. |
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| 15:36.43 | LSorensen | HyperZid: is that a pci card or a usb thingy? |
| 15:36.53 | P4 | so... where should i to ask to get an answer? |
| 15:36.55 | HyperZid | LSorensen, usb-uhci usb-ohci input usbkbd keybdev 3c59x aes dm_crypt loop |
| 15:37.01 | HyperZid | LSorensen, pci card |
| 15:37.02 | stew | P4: find a channel for your distro or a mailing list |
| 15:37.14 | P4 | ok, sorry |
| 15:37.15 | hammerabi | P4: wherever you got it from |
| 15:37.28 | merci_ | hi. I've dist-upgraded someone else's server, running Sarge with RAID. the update for mdadm asks 'Do you want to start the RAID devices automatically' and gives some background info. what should I choose or what should I look at to judge? |
| 15:37.34 | madradrone | doleyb: maybe i misread your paste. sorry. i saw "/etc/udev/rules.d/z_hal-plugdev.rules" |
| 15:37.37 | jsz | anyone used pisg? |
| 15:37.39 | HyperZid | LSorensen, the confusing thing.. is that I dont got LS.. it seems.. on the package it says "sound blaster audigy SE" |
| 15:37.51 | Estes2 | Hi everyone :) good morning !! Would anyone here know if i have a particular setting to set before i run the script mb2md ? i'm wondering how the system will know it has to use maildir instead of mailbox |
| 15:38.05 | P4 | i thought it's connected with TCP/IP implementation in debian ;P |
| 15:38.09 | LSorensen | HyperZid: hmm. what does lspci -n |grep 040 say? |
| 15:38.10 | madradrone | doleyb: its too early here :-/ |
| 15:38.10 | stew | HyperZid: there were some SB lives that dell was selling that didn't work with the SB Live driver, you didn't happen to get this from dell did you? |
| 15:38.13 | doleyb | madradrone: well, that's just one filename inside udev, which is all from debian's default install. That's why I use it. |
| 15:38.15 | hammerabi | P4: no |
| 15:38.27 | hammerabi | Estes2: do you mean "How do I reconfigure my MTA to deliver to a maildir?" |
| 15:38.29 | LSorensen | stew: those were sb lives in name only. not in hardware |
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| 15:38.39 | stew | LSorensen: right |
| 15:38.42 | HyperZid | LSorensen, 0000:02:01.0 0401: 1102:0007 and 0000:02:09.0 0401: 13f6:0111 (rev 10) |
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| 15:38.55 | stew | LSorensen: did they not report themselves as SB Live in lspci? i dunno |
| 15:39.06 | lgd_ | Eulex: yeap i see |
| 15:39.10 | doleyb | Does sarge by default use udev, or devfs or static /dev or what? |
| 15:39.10 | HyperZid | stew, no.. I bought it in a plain regular store.. retail product |
| 15:39.12 | madradrone | doleyb: FWIW i'm not using udev. i am using hotplug... |
| 15:39.15 | lgd_ | sorry i has use /amsg |
| 15:39.27 | lgd_ | but don't think post a message here |
| 15:39.29 | Estes2 | hammerabi, so i have to set this in my MTA and my pop/imap servers only, right ? |
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| 15:40.03 | HyperZid | LSorensen, after what I saw.. sound blaster audigy SE driver is under development.. or something.. |
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| 15:40.07 | LSorensen | HyperZid: 0007 no 1007? |
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| 15:40.17 | merci_ | if RAID were chosen in the debian installer, is it using mdadm compiled into the kernel rather than as a module? |
| 15:40.30 | hammerabi | doleyb: base uses static /dev, aiui, but things like gnome (via hal) depend on udev |
| 15:40.31 | HyperZid | LSorensen, thats right.. 0007 |
| 15:40.35 | hammerabi | Estes2: I don't know what you're trying to do |
| 15:40.43 | P4 | ok then, i've found e-live channel, cya :} |
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| 15:40.48 | Eulex | lgd_, your english doesn't seem to be very good. go join #debian-it. |
| 15:40.51 | Estes2 | hammerabi, switch my mail system from mbox to maildir |
| 15:41.09 | lgd_ | Eulex: sorry =) |
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| 15:41.26 | HyperZid | LSorensen, as I said earier.. to be 100% sure.. LSorensen, "0000:02:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS", "0000:02:01.0 0401: 1102:0007" |
| 15:41.32 | doleyb | madradrone: my problem is really that usb drives with cables under 10cm work, but those longer than 10cm only function in knoppix, windows, etc (nondebian). I guess it's a timeout threshold that needs to be lengthened, but have no idea how to try. |
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| 15:41.49 | Andy0516 | www.pastebin.com |
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| 15:42.26 | hammerabi | Estes2: then yes, you need to reconfigure your mta and imap/pop servers |
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| 15:42.33 | Andy0516 | can anyone help explain what i need to do with the allow-transfer thing (morei nfo: http://pastebin.com/470220) |
| 15:42.34 | Eulex | http://www.elivecd.org/ -- aaah, can't stand it already after reading the introduction which basically says "we are best, elive is best, designed to be bugfree, it's better than anything else". |
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| 15:42.38 | Estes2 | hammerabi, ok, thanks |
| 15:42.59 | dwalton59 | I am having a problem getting my network cad working I am using Debian 3.1 my driver has been installed I think the problem is in DCHPDISCOVER at BOOT up the system try to Assign the ETHo to 5 to 6 diffrent number and them times out |
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| 15:43.04 | Eulex | how the *beep* can anything be designed to be bugfree? |
| 15:43.13 | flexy | Is there a new mythtv repository somewhere yet, or should I perhaps try to use svn sources and compile my own myth binaries...? |
| 15:43.26 | lgd_ | Eulex: i go in this chan because in other chan don't help me very |
| 15:43.37 | LSorensen | HyperZid: well yeah it certainly isn't supported in alsa in 2.6.14 kernel |
| 15:43.46 | Andy0516 | i've added allow-tranfer{ to named.conf.options but i don't know what IPs need to be in there? |
| 15:43.54 | stew | lgd_: if you ask a debian related question we will try to help |
| 15:44.07 | Eulex | lgd_, ah. |
| 15:44.12 | madradrone | doleyb: i'm not sure either. could it perhaps be even the version of the usb driver(s) you're using, i.e. the kernel version? |
| 15:44.20 | stew | Andy0516: you would put the ip addresses of the slave name-servers |
| 15:44.35 | syntaxx | i have ubuntu live cd. can i boot it to run my old debian on my box? if possible what do i need to do or type in it? |
| 15:44.38 | Andy0516 | stew: only have one server... should i just put that in there? |
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| 15:44.52 | stew | Andy0516: then you don't need AllowTransfer at all |
| 15:44.53 | Eulex | syntaxx, mount it and chroot it |
| 15:44.57 | doleyb | madradrone: that seems very unlikely, but never can tell. (and mknod doesn't help, it just leads to "no medium found" error later) |
| 15:45.01 | HyperZid | LSorensen, ok.. so I should just get myself another board then:)? |
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| 15:45.26 | merci_ | when choosign RAID with the Sarge debian installer, does it use a kernel with the md driver compiled in or with the md driver as a module? |
| 15:45.38 | stew | merci_: as a module |
| 15:45.59 | merci_ | stew: thanks |
| 15:46.27 | gTool-Kit | are there newer kernels for sarge then 2.6.8 like .12 or something? |
| 15:46.36 | stew | syntaxx: pass root=/dev/hdxx as a kerel parameter wher /dev/hdxx is your root partition in debian |
| 15:46.39 | madradrone | doleyb: i know that there were usb issues with some devices as recent as about a year ago,so if you have an older kernel version, maybe its a possibility.. |
| 15:46.49 | fireba11 | gTool-Kit: apt-cache is your friend |
| 15:46.54 | syntaxx | stew: on boot? |
| 15:46.55 | sifi | gTool-Kit, kernel.org |
| 15:46.59 | stew | doleyb: you could try booting your debian system with the knoppix kernel |
| 15:47.09 | madradrone | doleyb: modinfo usb_storage on the various distro's you're using to see which version |
| 15:47.12 | gTool-Kit | sifi, only option is to roll my own eh? |
| 15:47.15 | Bogaurd | i had several drives combined into one volume using lvm... i only have one of the drives now... the other 2 died. is there a way for me to get the data off it somehow? |
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| 15:47.19 | stew | syntaxx: yeah, at the boot: prompt, something like "linux root=/dev/hda1" |
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| 15:47.28 | Eulex | gTool-Kit, no. if you want a kernel from testing or unstable, fetch it from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it. |
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| 15:47.54 | stew | syntaxx: but "linux" might be "ubuntu" or something, i don't know what ubuntu names their kernels, hitting f1 at the boot prompt should give you more info |
| 15:48.05 | sifi | gTool-Kit, if apt not contain any newer version |
| 15:48.07 | gTool-Kit | Eulex, are they still gonna work in sarge even though they were built with gcc4 and sarge is 3.x |
| 15:48.09 | syntaxx | stew: i type it on boot: linux root=/dev/hda3 and says could not find kernel image: linux |
| 15:48.09 | gTool-Kit | ? |
| 15:48.20 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 15:48.35 | Eulex | gTool-Kit, afaik yes. |
| 15:48.37 | sifi | gTool-Kit, cd /tmp/; rm /tmp/linux*; function o {wget $(lynx -dump ftp://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ | awk "/ftp.*LATEST-IS-/{print $2}" | perl -pli -e "s|LATEST-IS-|linux-|" | sed -e "s/$/$ext/")} ext=.tar.gz; o; ext=.tar.gz.sign; o |
| 15:48.38 | eschur | Why does apt not upgrade a lot of packages unless I tell it to explicitly apt-get install them? It's like it's holding stuff back for no reason |
| 15:48.49 | sifi | gTool-Kit, thats my opinion |
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| 15:49.25 | Eulex | sifi, why not fetch a debian kernel from testing or unstable? |
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| 15:49.39 | Orfeous | need some help.. |
| 15:49.43 | stew | gTool-Kit: a gcc4 compiled kernel will run on sarge, but you would have to use gcc4 to compile any 3rd party modules for it |
| 15:49.53 | Orfeous | howto get rid of my Lilo as boot loader |
| 15:50.01 | stew | Orfeous: /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 15:50.02 | Orfeous | and reuse windows xp's boot? |
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| 15:50.13 | Eulex | Stereo, ah, then it might not be the best thing to do... |
| 15:50.17 | stew | Orfeous: oh, run "fdisk /mbr" from a dos disk |
| 15:50.23 | gTool-Kit | stew ok, so i should grab gcc 4 while im at it then to |
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| 15:50.39 | CosmoDad | how can I determine the gcc version a certain binary has been compiled with? |
| 15:50.58 | Orfeous | stew: dont know if that is gonna work becuase my windows disk is a SATA |
| 15:50.58 | Alex_BO | fanculo |
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| 15:51.17 | stew | Orfeous: you are asking on the wrong channel |
| 15:51.42 | tarzeau | is there no tool to change cmos floppy values from linux? |
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| 15:52.17 | Orfeous | stew: i have asked on many channels |
| 15:52.25 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 15:52.25 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:52.48 | Orfeous | im running debian ;) |
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| 15:53.03 | stew | Orfeous: if you have a debian related question, we'd be happy to help you with that |
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| 15:53.13 | Viperchen | Hi |
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| 15:53.46 | Orfeous | stew: cant see the problem.. im asking a debian question.. |
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| 15:54.16 | Viperchen | i ve probs with installing nforce drivers for audio... |
| 15:54.31 | Orfeous | Viperchen: have you tried latest kernel? |
| 15:54.38 | Viperchen | 2.6.12 |
| 15:54.42 | Viperchen | ? |
| 15:54.45 | Eulex | Orfeous, you're asking how to restore the windows boot loader and if you can do fdisk /mbr if your disk is sata. |
| 15:54.55 | Orfeous | i didnt have any problems with nforce audio.. |
| 15:55.06 | CosmoDad | how can I determine the gcc version a certain binary has been compiled with? |
| 15:55.07 | fireba11 | Orfeous: technically speaking it's not .. installing XP overwrites any boot loader that might be there if you want to know |
| 15:55.09 | Orfeous | Viperchen: i just checked the nforce support in kernel. |
| 15:55.30 | stew | Orfeous: you can try the fixmbr package in debian |
| 15:55.42 | Viperchen | i am very nooby in compiling kernel |
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| 15:56.03 | Orfeous | stew: ah.. |
| 15:56.03 | stew | Orfeous: or apt-cache search --names-only mbr |
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| 15:56.11 | Eulex | Viperchen, are you using a stock kernel or a vanilla one? |
| 15:56.23 | Viperchen | a what? ;) |
| 15:56.33 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:56.45 | Eulex | Viperchen, umh, debian stock or kernel.org vanilla? |
| 15:56.50 | odla | has mozilla seamonkey entered experimental or will it? |
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| 15:56.58 | Viperchen | the debian kernel |
| 15:57.32 | unlearn | how do i setup sound in debian? |
| 15:57.44 | stew | unlearn: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 15:57.48 | unlearn | k |
| 15:58.18 | stew | !nvsound |
| 15:58.19 | dpkg | nvsound is, like, nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 15:58.23 | syntaxx | stew: ive tried live root=/dev/hda3 and yet im getting kernel panic which is my /hda3 is my root directory |
| 15:58.29 | LSorensen | HyperZid: well the card you have appears to be similar to the emu10kx that is used on the Dell SB Live (which is that it has no AC97 and no DSP). All work is done in software including resampling everything to 48khz. |
| 15:58.38 | Orfeous | stew: cant find any "fixmbr"-package |
| 15:58.43 | Orfeous | stew: just "mbr" |
| 15:58.51 | stew | Orfeous: try that then |
| 15:58.52 | LSorensen | HyperZid: so getting a decent card would be better. decent being one of the ones supported by the emu10k1 driver |
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| 15:59.15 | Orfeous | stew: dont think its gonna work.. because that package is installing a lilo mbr.. |
| 15:59.19 | Viperchen | ? |
| 15:59.22 | stew | syntaxx: if you are sure that /dev/hda3 is your root, then i dunno |
| 15:59.34 | stew | Orfeous: no its not, it installs a dos compatible mbr |
| 15:59.43 | LSorensen | HyperZid: the audigy you have is essentially a stripped down card with basicaly none of the features of a real audigy. sound quality might be a bit better than your onboard sound chip, but the feature set is actually worse. |
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| 16:00.44 | syntaxx | stew: yea im sure coz i run the live cd and look for it ext3 is /dev/hda3 which is i dont have a /home and other directory in diff partition |
| 16:00.46 | stew | Orfeous: it installs an mbr which boots the first active partition |
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| 16:01.59 | Orfeous | stew: ok, so i will use "install-mbr -v /dev/sda" then? |
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| 16:02.53 | stew | Orfeous: i haven't read the install-mbr manpage, so i'm not sure |
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| 16:03.53 | Orfeous | stew: i runned the program on all disk.. and it couldnt find any mbr on any disk.. |
| 16:04.07 | Orfeous | "install-mbr -v -l /dev/sda" |
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| 16:04.31 | Orfeous | -v is verbose.. and -l is listing mbr that is available |
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| 16:04.46 | stew | Orfeous: i dunno, try /usr/share/doc/mbr/README |
| 16:04.47 | Viperchen | can someone give me a detailed instruction to compile a kernel? |
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| 16:05.17 | nixxie | someguy, are there any hacks to bind a key to copying highlighted text to the xselection buffer, instead of it doing that automatically when highlighting? |
| 16:05.21 | nixxie | argh |
| 16:05.22 | stew | Viperchen: why do you want to compile a kernel? |
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| 16:05.52 | syntaxx | stew: is there a boot cd for debian? |
| 16:06.03 | Viperchen | because of the nforce support... |
| 16:06.14 | stew | syntaxx: installer cd's will work as boot cds, or you can make one with the bootcd package |
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| 16:06.26 | stew | Viperchen: you have a kernel patch you want to add? |
| 16:06.46 | syntaxx | stew: the netinstall cd? |
| 16:06.56 | stew | syntaxx: sure |
| 16:07.10 | Viperchen | no i just want to change my settings |
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| 16:07.31 | stew | Viperchen: what would you change? the debian kernel should have everything already enabled |
| 16:07.35 | stew | Viperchen: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:07.46 | dds | I'm looking for some program that system monitoring to find out what application(s) cause hard disk activity. I'm on a laptop and trying to allow the hard disk to spin down. Anyone know of anything like that? |
| 16:07.53 | stew | Viperchen: but i don't think you actually want to compile your kernel |
| 16:07.58 | syntaxx | stew: how to boot it from there.. coz my windows got fcked up need to reinstall it =/ |
| 16:08.12 | stew | syntaxx: "linux root=/dev/hda3" or "linux26 root=/dev/hda3" |
| 16:08.26 | stew | syntaxx: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 16:08.37 | lord_rob | damn ! this new firefox 1.5 really s*cks. You can not even type a location manually when you want to save a link somewhere. Welcome mistedr "waste-of-time" |
| 16:08.38 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
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| 16:09.13 | Viperchen | i think i have to compile the kernel when i did some changen is menuconfig |
| 16:09.19 | Viperchen | changes |
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| 16:10.00 | stew | Viperchen: yeah, but i can't see what you might change in menuconfig. all the nforce4 support that is available should already have been enabled |
| 16:10.04 | dds | To be clear, I'm specifically looking for some program to monitor and tell me the PID or some specific info about what application is triggering the syscall that causes the IRQ to fire on the disk. We can all mention dozens of specific issues to look at but I'm looking for a piece of software to just tell me what is the real cause. |
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| 16:10.10 | vovo4ka | anybody use ANOPE ? |
| 16:10.25 | omry|work | NOPE |
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| 16:10.37 | bleaked | lord_rob. what do you mean? |
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| 16:11.36 | fer | hola |
| 16:11.43 | fer | hola |
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| 16:11.43 | warreng | do i have to use cpan to install perl's Crypt::DSA module? or is there a package for it? |
| 16:11.59 | Viperchen | but i can't hear a thing?! |
| 16:12.00 | fer | algun español |
| 16:12.11 | jjazz | !es |
| 16:12.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:12.15 | syntaxx | stew: oh good.. just need to type rescue on ubuntu live cd boot.. now i can use my debian again thanks |
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| 16:12.39 | fer | #debian-es |
| 16:12.49 | lord_rob | bleaked: I mean I was used to be able to type the path where I wanted to save a file downloaded in firefox. With new 1.5, it's not possible anymore, it's like new gimp :-/ |
| 16:13.35 | lord_rob | bleaked: before it was more or less a windows-like save dialog box, very easy to use, now the new save box has no text field |
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| 16:14.17 | iostream | Hi. Does anyone know if samba supports encryption of file transfers? (Yes, I have asked in #samba but no-ones has answered yet..) |
| 16:14.30 | Viperchen | stew: but i dont hear a thing... |
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| 16:15.00 | CosmoDad | can anyone tell me (or tell me how to find out) what the default gcc version (that is, the one all binaries are compiled with) in stable and testing is, respectively? |
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| 16:15.25 | solata | hello |
| 16:15.38 | bleaked | lord_rob. funny, because i still have that functionality. just tested it. |
| 16:15.42 | _joey | I've got some modules in non-default dir , how do I load them during boot ? |
| 16:15.45 | hammerabi | CosmoDad: 3.2, 4.0/4.1 |
| 16:16.09 | lord_rob | bleaked: are you using firefox 1.5 ? |
| 16:16.19 | CosmoDad | hammerabi: you mean it's 3.2 in stable? not 3.3? |
| 16:16.40 | hammerabi | CosmoDad: probably a mix |
| 16:16.49 | hammerabi | CosmoDad: some stuff would still be 2.95 |
| 16:16.54 | _joey | how do I load modules during boot which are in non-default dir ? |
| 16:16.58 | solata | hmmm ..... i have this in my sites-enabled/001-mail : ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080 |
| 16:16.58 | solata | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.58 | solata | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.03 | hammerabi | _joey: put them in the right dir to begin with |
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| 16:17.18 | CosmoDad | hammerabi: I have this linux here which is in a state of sarge when it was still testing, and many apps are 3.3-compiled |
| 16:17.37 | jair | hello guys |
| 16:17.47 | hammerabi | CosmoDad: how do you know? |
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| 16:18.00 | jair | I am in Milan Itlay and i am trying to find a cool number of events and linuxt user groups ;) |
| 16:18.04 | CosmoDad | hammerabi: uname -r, applying "strings" to binaries |
| 16:18.06 | jair | any idea suggestions |
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| 16:18.28 | jsz | jair, go to what the hack in holland |
| 16:18.43 | plbgnr | hello, I connected usb memory stick to USB ...how shall I mount it? (i tried 'mount -t auto /dev/sdb /mnt/key' but got message that I must specify fs type ) |
| 16:18.43 | stew | Viperchen: there is nothing in the kernel that will fix that for you, there is no nforce4 audio support in the kernel yet |
| 16:18.55 | jair | jsz, what is that? |
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| 16:18.59 | jair | joke or what? |
| 16:19.13 | jsz | jair, it's a confrence |
| 16:19.17 | hammerabi | plbgnr: depends on a lot of things |
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| 16:19.54 | jsz | plbgnr, mount /dev/sda /mnt/usb |
| 16:19.57 | solata | what do i need to do besides coping mods-avalible/proxy.conf to mods-enabled to enable <proxy> ? |
| 16:20.02 | jsz | you have to sudo mkdir /mnt/usb first |
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| 16:20.34 | jair | jsz, web site about it please? |
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| 16:20.38 | audi | stew, you here? |
| 16:20.49 | bizkit | !tell plbgnr about usbstorage |
| 16:20.51 | jsz | jair, http://www.2600.net |
| 16:20.53 | abrotman | !irritate stew |
| 16:20.53 | dpkg | stew: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh grafixx windows lol |
| 16:21.06 | cmdKeen | xserver keep saying 'xinit: connection refused (errno 111)' i can't google anytninhg again.... |
| 16:21.07 | stew | hi |
| 16:21.09 | Viperchen | stew: and what will fix my problem? |
| 16:21.10 | plbgnr | jsz: ...msg:no medium found |
| 16:21.22 | stew | Viperchen: buying a soundblaster live |
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| 16:21.27 | Viperchen | lol |
| 16:21.29 | audi | i installed it, it worked as u said, but now after the login i tried doing startx |
| 16:21.32 | audi | but nothing happen |
| 16:21.36 | bleaked | lord_rob. i'm dccing a screenshot |
| 16:21.40 | audi | how i start the graphic? |
| 16:21.48 | stew | Viperchen: you can try /msg dpkg nvsound |
| 16:21.49 | Viperchen | stew: but with kernel 2.6.8 and KDE everything works |
| 16:22.09 | stew | Viperchen: what driver is it using with 2.6.8? |
| 16:22.11 | plbgnr | hammerabi: I tried sdb because in dmesg was after connecting line:SCSI device sdb: 250624 512-byte hdwr sectors (128 MB)... what else is important? |
| 16:22.16 | jsz | plbgnr, did you do mkdir /mnt/usb as root? |
| 16:22.23 | Viperchen | stew: i dunno |
| 16:22.26 | plbgnr | jsz:yes |
| 16:22.29 | jair | jsz, I do not see any info about it in Milano IT |
| 16:22.41 | jsz | then mount -t /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 16:22.43 | jsz | try that |
| 16:22.55 | jsz | jair, thats because it's in holland |
| 16:23.11 | jsz | there shoul be a 2600 group in IT |
| 16:23.14 | Viperchen | stew: i dont have a group audio? is it necessary? |
| 16:23.18 | stew | audi: install x-window-system-core ; or start aptitude and go to tasks and select one of the "desktop" tasks |
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| 16:23.32 | jair | jsz, ohh ok I just told you I am in Italy Milano |
| 16:23.33 | nixxie | hm. if i want to dump all dhcp related traffic, would this include it? 'tcpdump udp port 68 or udp port 67 or arp or ether broadcast' |
| 16:23.36 | jair | but it is ok |
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| 16:23.37 | stew | Viperchen: yes |
| 16:23.39 | jair | thanks |
| 16:23.40 | audi | ok thx you |
| 16:24.01 | hammerabi | plbgnr: sdb is the entire device, not a partition on it |
| 16:24.04 | jsz | plbgnr, how did you go? |
| 16:24.08 | bbrazil | nixxie: no need for the arp and ether bits I'd say |
| 16:24.14 | jsz | sda1 |
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| 16:24.43 | jair | any linux event in Munich Germany or Milan Italy? |
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| 16:24.55 | nixxie | bbra: well, it might help, its dhclient talking to a DSL modem, and the ISP's DHCP packets aren't always getting through |
| 16:24.56 | tosh_ | I added a smarthost in sendmail.mc and did a make in /etc/mail but sendmail.cf isn't being regenerated? |
| 16:24.59 | Viperchen | stew: ok i added the group audio and joined it, but no sound... |
| 16:25.34 | stew | Viperchen: what driver are you using? if you add yourself to a group you have to log out and back in btw |
| 16:25.45 | GoDeep | can i use kstreamripper with podcasts ? |
| 16:26.15 | stew | Viperchen: you should figure out what driver 2.6.8 was using, "lsmod | grep snd" do you see somehting like snd_intel8x0 ? |
| 16:26.33 | Viperchen | stew: i did... i am using 2.6.12 |
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| 16:27.01 | Felina | is there graphical mode for configuring samba ? |
| 16:27.06 | Viperchen | stew: i see a lot |
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| 16:27.19 | tosh_ | Felina google for swat |
| 16:27.25 | Viperchen | stew: yes intel 8x0 |
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| 16:27.37 | plbgnr | jsz,hammerabi: ok it works: i found with google that with fdisk -l /dev/sd{a,b,c,e,f} can I list dvices and with this I got:/dev/sdb1 * 1 32 125285+ 6 FAT16; so mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/key worked fine :)))))) |
| 16:27.44 | stew | Viperchen: is it unmuted? |
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| 16:28.04 | Viperchen | stew: how can i check this? |
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| 16:28.14 | stew | Viperchen: with alsamixer |
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| 16:28.57 | Viperchen | stew: yes it is |
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| 16:30.24 | jsm | is there a stock debian kernel that supports 8GB of ram? |
| 16:30.32 | stew | Viperchen: make sure that both the volume is up and its not muted (muted can be toggled with m) |
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| 16:30.49 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up 4) arts or esound running? 5) OSS modules loaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 16:30.49 | _joey | has anyone compiled madwifi module ? |
| 16:30.51 | stew | jsm: no, only up to 4, otherwise you have to recompile with the 64G option |
| 16:30.53 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 16:30.58 | abrotman | stew: did i miss anything ? |
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| 16:31.10 | jsm | stew, thanks.. will do |
| 16:31.10 | abrotman | jsm: only up to 4GB currently |
| 16:31.34 | stew | !alsa-checklist =~ s/levels are up/levels are up and it is unmuted/ |
| 16:31.34 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 16:31.49 | abrotman | though .. probably not in the right order .. but oh well |
| 16:31.57 | _joey | has anyone compile madwifi here ? |
| 16:31.59 | _joey | :) |
| 16:32.01 | Viperchen | stew: volume is up and it is not muted (there is no 'm' ) |
| 16:32.08 | abrotman | !tell _joey about madwifi |
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| 16:32.22 | stew | Viperchen: i just meant hitting the m key will toggle the "OFF" in the bottom which means muted |
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| 16:32.36 | stew | Viperchen: you need both master and pcm to be unmuted |
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| 16:33.09 | bizkit | why is the sticky bit not working for me? i created a dir 'blah', which is owned by bizkit.share. my primary group is bizkit, however i'm also a member of share. now i do chmod g+s blah and cd into it, do an touch test and the file test is now owned by bizkit.bizkit? shouldn't it be bizkit.share since i used g+s on the dir which is owned by group share? |
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| 16:33.40 | Viperchen | stew: i wanted to tell you that alsamixer shows no MM for beeing muted. I see what you mean |
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| 16:34.05 | Viperchen | stew: master an pcm have volume and are unmuted |
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| 16:34.49 | stew | Viperchen: other than trying 2.6.8 again and double checking that you are using the same driver that worked under 2.6.8 i don't know what to tell you |
| 16:35.07 | How-can-i-zip | hi. how can i zip a folder in console/linux (using gzip, zip, tar etc. it does not matter)? |
| 16:35.13 | Viperchen | stew: ok thank you for help!!!!!! |
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| 16:35.33 | stew | How-can-i-zip: zip -r archive.zip /path/to/folder |
| 16:35.33 | SlammerXP | How-can-i-zip: man <insert your choice of tool here> |
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| 16:35.42 | stew | How-can-i-zip: or /msg dpkg tar |
| 16:35.45 | How-can-i-zip | i am newbie.. |
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| 16:36.16 | bleaked | How-can-i-zip. it really depends on the compression ratio, and who is going to use the file. |
| 16:36.32 | How-can-i-zip | THANK YOU STEW! |
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| 16:36.55 | Estes2 | Anyone would know why none of my cron job seems to be ran by cron ? the daemon seems to be running and the jobs are as root |
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| 16:37.26 | bleaked | Estes2. i think cron runs as its own user |
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| 16:37.35 | liran__ | i'm after an install of the 180mb net install cd and haven't done any updates, where do i begin? |
| 16:37.38 | stew | Estes2: make sure that mail for "root" goes somewhere that you would see it so that if there was an error you would see it |
| 16:37.38 | Estes2 | humm |
| 16:37.53 | Estes2 | bleaked, no, as root |
| 16:37.56 | liran__ | apt-setup and configure resources? |
| 16:38.09 | bleaked | Estes2. so i think they have to be readable by the cron group |
| 16:38.12 | stew | Estes2: do you see cron running an syslog? |
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| 16:38.24 | Estes2 | stew, i even have set a job that every minute writes to a file in /tmp just to test |
| 16:38.26 | Estes2 | and nothing |
| 16:38.34 | Estes2 | the file is not even created |
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| 16:39.03 | Estes2 | my command beeing like echo "blabla" >> file.test |
| 16:39.11 | stew | Estes2: where are you putting the cronjob? putting it into the crontab with crontab -e? or putting it in a cron dirctory in /etc/? |
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| 16:39.24 | Estes2 | stew, i use crontab -e |
| 16:39.52 | stew | Estes2: so the whole line is * * * * * echo "blablah" >> file.test ? |
| 16:40.01 | Estes2 | lemme paste it |
| 16:40.10 | Estes2 | 1 * * * * echo "test" >> /tmp/test |
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| 16:40.31 | stew | Estes2: that means run once an hour, 1 minute past the hour |
| 16:40.43 | Viperchen | stew: I installed alsa-oss and now it works!!! |
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| 16:40.47 | Estes2 | no, every minute |
| 16:41.02 | kneet | No - stew's right |
| 16:41.03 | Estes2 | humm |
| 16:41.09 | Estes2 | ok... |
| 16:41.14 | Estes2 | and so |
| 16:41.26 | stew | Viperchen: snd-pcm-oss? |
| 16:41.26 | Estes2 | 00 3 * * * /root/backups/backupscript.sh |
| 16:41.27 | Estes2 | this ? |
| 16:41.33 | Viperchen | stew: ? |
| 16:41.36 | stew | Estes2: that means run at 03:00 daily |
| 16:41.41 | Viperchen | apt-get install alsa-oss |
| 16:41.42 | Estes2 | ok |
| 16:41.42 | TonyRad | Is there a way to set up a file on a samba server so that the file can be read, but not written or copied from the server? I can't think of a way to do it, or if it would be possible. I have permissions currently set to 644 |
| 16:41.46 | Estes2 | but it doesn't do it |
| 16:42.04 | silvinho | TonyRad: no if you can read you can copy |
| 16:42.15 | stew | Estes2: is backupscript.sh chmod +x? |
| 16:42.23 | TonyRad | silvinho: Thanks.. That's what I thought.. But I figured I'd check anyways |
| 16:42.30 | silvinho | np |
| 16:42.32 | Estes2 | stew, it defintly is |
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| 16:42.50 | Estes2 | it's 0700 with owner root |
| 16:43.02 | stew | Estes2: and running /root/backups/backupscript.sh by hand works? and you are putting this in root's crontab? |
| 16:43.14 | Estes2 | stew, it works by hand |
| 16:43.27 | Estes2 | Oh |
| 16:43.32 | Estes2 | hold on |
| 16:43.32 | kneet | Estes2, and stew's second question - who's crontab? |
| 16:43.35 | Estes2 | stupid me |
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| 16:43.50 | Estes2 | it ran in home folder |
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| 16:44.07 | Estes2 | so it works |
| 16:44.38 | Estes2 | so something starting by * * * * * would run every minute, right ? |
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| 16:45.00 | kneet | yes |
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| 16:45.30 | sifi | I want to tar the file with the highest number, why does not "tar xzf /file-*.tar.gz | tail -n 1" works? |
| 16:45.32 | Estes2 | ok, thanks |
| 16:45.36 | Estes2 | thanks a lot stew |
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| 16:45.43 | stew | Estes2: you're welcome |
| 16:45.57 | silvinho | sifi: because tail operates after tar |
| 16:46.02 | andre80 | merri krismas |
| 16:46.14 | hammerabi | TonyRad: what do you think is the difference between reading and copying? |
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| 16:46.56 | TonyRad | hammerabi: Nothing really. because it still gets copied onto a temp area of the other comp pretty much. |
| 16:47.02 | stew | sifi: you are trying to extract the last item from the .tar.gz? |
| 16:47.17 | plbgnr | bizkit: yes but you should set SGID bit, not sticky bit |
| 16:47.22 | stew | sifi: or trying to extrace all the files from the last .tar.gz? |
| 16:47.22 | silvinho | sifi: try something like A=`ls | sort -u | tail -n 1`; tar cfz $A.tar $A |
| 16:47.24 | sifi | stew the last file yes |
| 16:47.31 | hammerabi | TonyRad: so it's clearly impossible to configure samba to stop it? |
| 16:47.39 | silvinho | oh oops wrong way around |
| 16:47.40 | stew | sifi: last file from each file.*.tar.gz? |
| 16:47.55 | sifi | stew, correct |
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| 16:48.30 | _joey | abrotman are ou still around ? |
| 16:48.32 | liran__ | im after a net install of debian etch, do i need an apt-get dist-upgrade or something to get all the base packages and the rest |
| 16:48.33 | TonyRad | hammerabi: pretty much. I just figured I'd check anyways.. I was asked to see if there were a way to do so, the other person thought there would be.. But I just didn't think so.. |
| 16:48.33 | hammerabi | TonyRad: in that case, just set the permissions so that samb cannot modify the file |
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| 16:49.06 | audi | stew the connection doesn't work again |
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| 16:49.16 | hammerabi | TonyRad: ask the other person what they think the difference is |
| 16:49.19 | hammerabi | I cannot see any |
| 16:49.19 | _joey | abrotman: I compiled and installed madwifi as explained by bot's msgs but I can't inserted the module: FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/madwifi/ath_pci.ko): Unknown symbol in module, |
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| 16:49.32 | hammerabi | unless it's some stupid MS-esque scheme involing trusting the client |
| 16:49.34 | stew | audi: /msg dpkg man interfaces ; man 5 interfaces ; man 5 resolv.conf |
| 16:49.35 | jshriver | Greetings any latex users here? |
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| 16:49.53 | hammerabi | jshriver: baby jesus cries everytime someone doesn't just ask their question |
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| 16:50.06 | crashbg[work] | how to remove package with apt and ignore dependencies? |
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| 16:50.27 | trym | where did the k3b package go ? |
| 16:50.29 | abrotman | _joey: kind of |
| 16:50.30 | lunitik | crashbg[work]: you can't... dpkg --force-all -P something |
| 16:50.34 | hammerabi | crashbg[work]: you can't |
| 16:50.39 | hammerabi | crashbg[work]: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:50.42 | abrotman | _joey: did you use m-a ? |
| 16:50.43 | lunitik | crashbg[work]: don't blame me if breaks things though. |
| 16:50.50 | abrotman | !tell _joey about madwifi install |
| 16:50.53 | _joey | abrotman: yes |
| 16:51.03 | _joey | read that note |
| 16:51.07 | abrotman | _joey: and you had the correct headers installed ? |
| 16:51.11 | _joey | yes |
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| 16:51.23 | abrotman | _joey: and you did a depmod -a ? |
| 16:51.27 | audi | stew, how many's cd are of complete installation? |
| 16:51.30 | _joey | no |
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| 16:51.34 | sifi | silvinho, A=`ls /personal/server-* | sort -u | tail -n 1`; tar xzf $A.tar.gz $A Am I close? |
| 16:51.42 | hammerabi | audi: sarge is 14 or so cds |
| 16:51.42 | thompsbm | how do you zip a directory |
| 16:51.48 | audi | damn |
| 16:52.00 | _joey | abrotman: didn't help |
| 16:52.04 | audi | do i need them all? |
| 16:52.12 | silvinho | sifi: you want to extract only the highest number file from an archive right ? |
| 16:52.15 | stew | sifi: you want something like for a in blah-*.tar.gz ; do tar tvzf $a | tail -1 | xargs tar xzf $a ; done |
| 16:52.19 | takatumi | audi: will your network work during install? |
| 16:52.28 | audi | no |
| 16:52.29 | silvinho | sifi: stew hit it on the money |
| 16:52.44 | sifi | silvinho, yes |
| 16:52.45 | takatumi | audi: and when will it work? |
| 16:52.45 | audi | i'm trying to make it work, but can't work |
| 16:53.00 | audi | don't know, in suse i installed it with yast2 |
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| 16:53.05 | silvinho | stew: why xargs if you're saving the result in $a ? |
| 16:53.08 | audi | think debian has some like it? |
| 16:53.23 | thompsbm | hey guys how do you zip a directory in debian |
| 16:53.25 | stew | silvinho: xargs puts the result of the tail -1 at the end of the tar xzf command |
| 16:53.35 | lunitik | audi: you just need the first CD... then do a network install... |
| 16:53.41 | audi | ok |
| 16:53.41 | hammerabi | thompsbm: same as on any other *nix, with the zip command |
| 16:53.53 | thompsbm | i tried zip and it doesnt work |
| 16:53.57 | audi | does the first Cd install the x server? |
| 16:54.04 | takatumi | audi: get CD1 yes. |
| 16:54.08 | audi | ok thx |
| 16:54.10 | audi | ill try it |
| 16:54.10 | silvinho | stew: oh right i was thinking $a = result of tail |
| 16:54.11 | hammerabi | thompsbm: how could anyone possibly guess what you did wrong based on that? |
| 16:54.14 | stew | silvinho: or it would have been b=$(tar tvzf $a | tail -1) ; tar xzf $a $b |
| 16:54.14 | hammerabi | thompsbm: show us the error in #flood |
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| 16:54.20 | liran__ | is there some base debian package that includes all the base install? |
| 16:54.21 | thompsbm | zip ftpuser.zip ftpuser |
| 16:54.21 | thompsbm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.29 | sifi | stew, gives me "tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' option" |
| 16:54.39 | hammerabi | liran__: no |
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| 16:54.51 | thompsbm | hammerabi: sorry missed the #flood thing |
| 16:54.52 | hammerabi | liran__: there bese to be a tarball for the base system, back in the potato days |
| 16:54.58 | tarzeau | can you cat /dev/nvram > /tmp/nvram.bin ? |
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| 16:55.05 | liran__ | hammerabi, im after a net install. its only 200mb big and i barely have basic things like ftp binary, how do i complete the install? |
| 16:55.12 | abrotman | _joey: so you used m-a .. and did you use the drivers from apt-get .. or the tarball ? |
| 16:55.21 | stew | sifi: i didn't specevy more than one of those opions in either invokation of tar |
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| 16:55.36 | andre80 | ah potato, sweet potato, chopped by woody woodpecker |
| 16:55.37 | jshriver | sorry... anyone know why or how to get around latex's "space contstraint" I'm trying to compile a 100+ page book and it's crapping out. |
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| 16:55.54 | abrotman | _joey: additionally .. perhaps ask #madwifi |
| 16:56.07 | stew | does madwifi require firmware? |
| 16:56.12 | takatumi | no |
| 16:56.14 | sifi | stew, ok, so what should I adjust? |
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| 16:56.16 | hammerabi | jshriver: you'd probably have more luck on #latex, but I bet that is in the FAQ |
| 16:56.25 | hammerabi | stew: no, it uses a proprietary kernel module instead |
| 16:56.28 | _joey | abrotman: used m-a |
| 16:56.31 | thompsbm | hammerabi: pasted in #flood |
| 16:56.49 | hammerabi | thompsbm: and then? |
| 16:56.50 | stew | sifi: i still believe that the command i gave you should work |
| 16:56.59 | ohad | hi, does anyone know of what fonts do i need to in order to see forms in flash at a normal size? the fonts are super small on my browser when some flash is being used |
| 16:57.12 | thompsbm | hammerabi: just wondering why its not zipping directory up |
| 16:57.19 | jshriver | hammerabi, aye I'm in there, but thought maybe someone here could help too |
| 16:57.25 | lunitik | ohad: 'msttcorefonts' probably. |
| 16:57.46 | Estes2 | stew, how should i set it up if i Wanderer t "every 10 minutes" then ? |
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| 16:58.06 | sifi | stew, this does not work: for a in /path/file-*.tar.gz ; do tar tvzf $a | tail -1 | xargs tar xzf $a ; done |
| 16:58.06 | ohad | lunitik, thx |
| 16:58.11 | Estes2 | Wanderer = want |
| 16:58.14 | hammerabi | thompsbm: it says it is, what did you do? |
| 16:58.16 | stew | Estes2: "*/10 * * * * " or something like 1,11,21,31,41,51 * * * * |
| 16:58.21 | sifi | stew, tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' option |
| 16:58.27 | sifi | stew, thats my output |
| 16:58.30 | Estes2 | stew, ok, thanks |
| 16:58.33 | jshriver | seems silly that latex has a self inflicting memory constraint |
| 16:59.02 | stew | sifi: you see that i'm not secifying more than one of Acdtrux, right? |
| 16:59.08 | _joey | abrotman: no way |
| 16:59.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:59.17 | DevilChaos | when i have an application open it takes up most of my ram and no swap is used why is this im currenly burning a cd just now!? |
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| 16:59.27 | abrotman | !free fram |
| 16:59.30 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 16:59.30 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 16:59.41 | FourierSeries | sifi: are you trying to tar up just one directory? or are you trying to do a partial list? |
| 16:59.47 | DevilChaos | no swap is ever used ive done top command a few times |
| 16:59.48 | _joey | abrotman: deleted and purged all packages, followed bot;s instructions and still getting the problem |
| 16:59.57 | _joey | can't insert madwifi module |
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| 17:00.27 | thompsbm | it says 0% |
| 17:00.34 | abrotman | _joey: see if #madwifi might know why .. maybe it's a kernel incompatibility problem |
| 17:00.49 | _joey | they are hybernating n that channel |
| 17:00.57 | abrotman | be patient |
| 17:01.07 | sifi | FourierSeries, a partial list, I have 20 file-*.tar.gz files where * is the UNIX time and want to extract the file with the highest time |
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| 17:01.19 | _SerhaT_ | hmm I am thinking about installing enlightment (.17) but seems like I should compile it myself.. should that cause any problems? there is a unofficial deb file for unstable also.. would it be smart to install it on testing.. or should I know a few stuff first? |
| 17:01.20 | abrotman | _joey: and try google .. or madwifi.sf.net .. |
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| 17:01.28 | abrotman | _joey: and is this your own custom kernel ? |
| 17:01.38 | _joey | abrotman: not custom, prebuilt |
| 17:01.56 | FourierSeries | sifi: ok ... lemmie see |
| 17:01.57 | silvinho | _SerhaT_: i'm running it on testing/unstable with the repo at soulmachine.net no problems |
| 17:01.58 | abrotman | and which one is it ? 2.6.14 ? |
| 17:02.01 | nissemus | Hello, I'm a bit new for your great OS, but when I install Sarge does it have drivers for my nvidia geforce2 videocard? |
| 17:02.08 | thompsbm | now all files inside dir have .gz at the end |
| 17:02.19 | cat | nissemus, it should |
| 17:02.20 | thompsbm | now all files inside dir have .gz at the end |
| 17:02.23 | _SerhaT_ | silvinho: so it's on soulmachine.net already? nice |
| 17:02.36 | cat | thompsbm, and? |
| 17:02.39 | petemc | nissemus: you can get a working 2d driver by default, for the non free nvidia driver, you'll have to jump through a few hoops |
| 17:02.39 | ILF_ | why does my sound not work? http://pastebin.com/470322 asus a7n8x-x onboard. i had it working once already |
| 17:02.43 | silvinho | _SerhaT_: yeah he has a wiki soulmachine.net/wiki/ with instructions |
| 17:02.44 | _joey | abrotman: I tried google with zillions questions, compiled the module myself and could insert it but then had problems getting wpa_supplicant to work with that module. Encryption wasn't enabled. Now, I've tried your suggestions too |
| 17:02.45 | silvinho | it's a solid build |
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| 17:02.48 | takatumi | _joey: prebuilt from debian? |
| 17:02.54 | _joey | yeah |
| 17:02.59 | GATA9 | ADIOS |
| 17:03.04 | cat | ILF_, did you do adduser $USER audio? |
| 17:03.11 | takatumi | _joey: looked here? http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 17:03.14 | GATA9 | CAT |
| 17:03.16 | ILF_ | cat: yes. tried it as root |
| 17:03.17 | _SerhaT_ | silvinho: okay nice.. very handy.. ty |
| 17:03.17 | _joey | i read that site |
| 17:03.31 | cat | ILF_, did you log out in X? |
| 17:03.38 | nissemus | cat, so in onther words I dont use my os for 3d, so I dont need to install drives from nvidia |
| 17:03.40 | FourierSeries | sifi: you are tying to get the most recent files to restore from a group of archives, yes? |
| 17:04.00 | ILF_ | cat: no, i'm in x. i remember it working without x, but i don't know if that's the cause (sounds unlikely) |
| 17:04.06 | _joey | now i am going to sleep |
| 17:04.09 | cat | nissemus, you installed the nvidia drivers with apt-get |
| 17:04.09 | DevilChaos | swap isnt really used anymore? |
| 17:04.19 | sifi | FourierSeries, yes |
| 17:04.23 | stew | sifi: oh i know what the problem is |
| 17:04.27 | cat | ILF_, what sound card is it? |
| 17:04.38 | ILF_ | asus a7n8x-x onboard |
| 17:04.40 | sifi | FourierSeries, or UpLoad |
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| 17:04.45 | _SerhaT_ | silvinho: so you just installed the unstable version on testing right? |
| 17:04.53 | ILF_ | cat: had the same with my sb live player 5.1 though |
| 17:05.04 | silvinho | _SerhaT_: i run a mixed testing/unstable system |
| 17:05.04 | sifi | stew, what? |
| 17:05.07 | nissemus | cat no I did not |
| 17:05.11 | cat | ILF_, alright, do something do modprobe module, of the sound card |
| 17:05.12 | silvinho | _SerhaT_: done it on a few machines w/ xorg no issues |
| 17:05.19 | ILF_ | cat: alsamixer shows "Card: NVidia nForce2" |
| 17:05.21 | stew | sifi: i'm sorry, you want somethine like ...tar -tvzf | tail -1 | awk '{print $6}' | xargs... |
| 17:05.24 | _SerhaT_ | silvinho: ahh okay.. lemme try then |
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| 17:05.31 | cat | oh ok, |
| 17:05.38 | ZiX | guys.. |
| 17:05.44 | ILF_ | cat: howhow wouldi know the module? |
| 17:05.46 | ZiX | how to set the default terminal in X? |
| 17:05.51 | stew | sifi: i forgot that tar tvzf gives you more than just filename so you need the awk to get just the filename |
| 17:06.01 | cat | ZiX, go to nano /etc/passwd |
| 17:06.26 | takatumi | ILF_: so did 2.6.14-2 boot? |
| 17:06.31 | ZiX | ... that ain't the xterm |
| 17:06.33 | ZiX | that's the SHELL |
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| 17:06.38 | sifi | stew, for a in /path/file-*.tar.gz ; do tar -tvzf | tail -1 | awk '{print $6}' | xargs tar xzf $a ; done gives me: tar: option requires an argument -- f |
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| 17:07.00 | stew | sifi: that should be tar tvzf $a | tail... |
| 17:07.00 | FourierSeries | fifi: I'm looking for a switch that says " do not overwrite a newer file " - I thinkyou need that switch & then need to extract each archive in turn one-at-a-time... |
| 17:07.03 | andre80 | ILF_, if you use kernal 2.6 don't forget to remove the 2.4 module |
| 17:07.08 | mitchstarr | hello hello |
| 17:07.09 | liran__ | testing is sarge and unstable is etch? |
| 17:07.13 | FourierSeries | ( er sifi ) |
| 17:07.19 | ILF_ | takatumi: yeah, did the fix from the bug list |
| 17:07.22 | mitchstarr | can anybody here help me with blackbox? |
| 17:07.23 | ILF_ | andre80: never had a 2.4 |
| 17:07.32 | bbrazil | mitchstarr: whats your question? |
| 17:07.40 | takatumi | ILF_: ok |
| 17:07.43 | andre80 | ILF_, after you have detected the sound card don't forget to save the setting |
| 17:07.52 | sifi | stew, tar: Old option `f' requires an argument. |
| 17:07.53 | bbrazil | liran__: sarge=stable,etch=testing,sid=unstable |
| 17:08.00 | mitchstarr | bbrazil: what program do i load to change the theme? and how do i get a menu? |
| 17:08.05 | ILF_ | andre80: what do you mean "detect the soundcard"? |
| 17:08.08 | liran__ | thanks |
| 17:08.08 | ILF_ | and save what? |
| 17:08.19 | bbrazil | mitchstarr: its an option in the menu, right click |
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| 17:08.23 | andre80 | do you detect the sound card manually ? |
| 17:08.29 | thompsbm | how do i check uid and gid for user accounts |
| 17:08.30 | ILF_ | no |
| 17:08.34 | stew | sifi: for a in /path/file-*.tar.gz ; do tar tvzf $a | tail -1 | awk '{print $6}' | xargs tar xzf $a ; done |
| 17:08.54 | bbrazil | thompsbm: id username |
| 17:08.59 | mitchstarr | when i right click in the menu, all i get is xterm, restart, and quit. bbrazil |
| 17:09.04 | andre80 | ILF_, who setup the sc for the 1st time ? |
| 17:09.12 | sifi | stew, there it is =) |
| 17:09.18 | ILF_ | andre80: i dunno, it just worked.. |
| 17:09.28 | sifi | stew, I gonna give you the bear for that =0) |
| 17:09.31 | bbrazil | mitchstarr: odd, I get apps, blackbox, games,help, screen, windowmanages and xshells |
| 17:09.32 | FourierSeries | sifi: or, perhaps, you can start with the most recent archive and do tar -K -xzf name.tar.gz then do each older archive |
| 17:09.56 | stew | sifi: a stuffed one? can i trade that for a beer? :) |
| 17:09.59 | ZiX | i mean that when i launch something like "in terminal" or press ALT+T in wmii i want ATERM to launch and |
| 17:09.59 | bbrazil | mitchstarr: I'm on sarge |
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| 17:10.02 | ZiX | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.18 | mitchstarr | sarge? |
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| 17:10.24 | sifi | FourierSeries, the one stew just pasted is good enough, don't you think so? |
| 17:10.27 | andre80 | I have issues with alsa too when I 1st installed sarge |
| 17:10.32 | bbrazil | mitchstarr: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:10.41 | FourierSeries | sifi: go for it! that should work. |
| 17:10.48 | sifi | stew, =) |
| 17:10.50 | andre80 | and all I do is detecting the sound card manually and save the setting |
| 17:10.55 | sifi | FourierSeries, king! =) |
| 17:11.12 | andre80 | try alsaconf and alsactl |
| 17:11.24 | andre80 | its at alsa-utils package |
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| 17:11.35 | mitchstarr | bbrazil: i dont understand what you mean. |
| 17:11.40 | andre80 | whan alsa started at boot, what did it say ? |
| 17:11.46 | ILF_ | andre80: it always worked for me with my old board (onboard off) and sb live. now i got an nforce2 board and first time i bootet 2.6.14 (without x) it worked. then i bootet 2.6.12 and it didn't work, so i put in my sb live again. now neither work in either kernel :/ |
| 17:11.48 | stew | sifi: what i pasted is going to get you the last thing in the archive, if you need the thing in the archive with the last date that is slightly more complicated |
| 17:11.52 | bbrazil | mitchstarr: run that command and tell me what it prints out |
| 17:12.00 | sifi | FourierSeries, stew I'm building a file managment script to the serverfiles |
| 17:12.00 | mitchstarr | ok |
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| 17:12.35 | mitchstarr | bbrazil: testing/unstable |
| 17:12.35 | andre80 | wah |
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| 17:12.48 | sifi | stew, so it's really good to being able to pick out the latest server.tar.gz and extract it from the script |
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| 17:13.49 | tonix | hi guys, ha anyone ever installed the dansguardian webmin module on sarge? thanks a lot |
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| 17:14.06 | bbrazil | mitchstarr: Im not sure whats going wrong, check the bts and maybe run update-menus |
| 17:14.06 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 17:14.06 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 17:14.14 | w00fa | I just installed PPTP and I have a gateway which I have to remove each time I reboot (w/ route del default) .. is there a way to make it permanent so that the gateway is cancelled for good? |
| 17:14.20 | andre80 | !alsa |
| 17:14.22 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 17:14.55 | ILF_ | andre80: ok, alsaconf reconfigured it, i don'Ät get nan error anymore, but i don't hear anything although in alsamixer volume is up and not mute |
| 17:14.59 | mitchstarr | bts? |
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| 17:15.20 | bbrazil | !btssmite mitchstarr |
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| 17:15.36 | andre80 | alsactl ? |
| 17:15.37 | azeem | !bts |
| 17:15.37 | OpenSores | How can I see the capacity of my hard drive, df -h is saying 30G but my HD should be 80! |
| 17:15.37 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 17:15.59 | takatumi | lot of similar cases with alsa today, bug #? |
| 17:16.11 | andre80 | ILF_, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 17:16.33 | mitchstarr | can anybody help me with my cd burner? |
| 17:16.41 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 17:16.44 | mz_work | OpenSores: fdisk -l |
| 17:16.45 | lgd_ | i have a problem with cups |
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| 17:16.54 | lgd_ | is there a someone ? |
| 17:17.06 | mitchstarr | IM trying to burn debian to a cd-r and its not letting me it says to put in an empty cd and i allreayd did that |
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| 17:17.17 | lgd_ | i have setting the program but don't work |
| 17:17.43 | andre80 | mitchstarr, make sure that you try to burn a cd iso to a cd-r and not a dvd-r iso |
| 17:17.43 | ma_man | is your blank cd-r is mounted? |
| 17:17.45 | ILF_ | andre80: i did alsaconf and i'm in audio group. there'snot much more on that page.. |
| 17:17.52 | OpenSores | mz_work, I see nothing when I do that |
| 17:17.56 | stew | !cups setup |
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| 17:18.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 17:18.11 | mitchstarr | andre80: its the net install only 120? mb, so i should be good |
| 17:18.13 | OpenSores | err, nm |
| 17:18.14 | mz_work | OpenSores: as root |
| 17:18.18 | andre80 | ILF_, alsactl ^^ |
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| 17:18.25 | OpenSores | fdisk -l /dev/hdb worked |
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| 17:19.04 | OpenSores | Disk /dev/hdb: 33.8 GB, 33820286976 bytes but this is supposed to be an 80 gig hd |
| 17:19.18 | andre80 | ILF_, try using alsamixer, then save using alsactl |
| 17:19.55 | andre80 | ILF_, the gnome alsa mixer is far better |
| 17:20.04 | cahoot | OpenSores: what does dmesg|grep -i hdb say? |
| 17:20.05 | sifi | stew, I just had an idea: x=$(ls -1 /personal/server-*.tar.gz | tail -n 1); tar xzf $x |
| 17:20.05 | ILF_ | gnome alsa mixer still won't start |
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| 17:20.16 | andre80 | if the sound worked, then don't forget to save the setting |
| 17:20.22 | ILF_ | i think i'll reboot to check if modules are correct |
| 17:20.52 | andre80 | I forgot to wrote down the steps |
| 17:21.18 | stew | sifi: waait you only want to process one .tar.gz? |
| 17:21.31 | sifi | stew, yes |
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| 17:21.54 | stew | sifi: and extract how many files from it? all of them? or just one? |
| 17:22.02 | andre80 | eyes heavy |
| 17:22.02 | stew | sifi: i was misunderstanding you the whole time |
| 17:22.10 | andre80 | gotta sleep son |
| 17:22.12 | sifi | stew, hehe, my fault |
| 17:22.33 | andre80 | merry christmas from Indonesia |
| 17:22.35 | sifi | stew, all files in the most recent tar.gz file |
| 17:22.55 | sifi | stew, this is the shortest way this far: x=$(ls -1 /personal/server-*.tar.gz | tail -n 1); tar xzf $x |
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| 17:22.57 | OpenSores | cahoot, http://pastebin.com/470348 |
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| 17:23.25 | DeadSoul | im using new etch install and everything is working with xorg running with gnome and all but how can i install/configure other window managers like fluxbox or xfce for example? |
| 17:23.35 | stew | sifi: make it "ls -t -1 /personal... | head -1 " if you want most recent |
| 17:23.37 | cahoot | OpenSores: 33820 MB |
| 17:23.48 | OpenSores | but its 80gig... |
| 17:24.50 | jjazz | DeadSoul, just apt-get them |
| 17:24.52 | OpenSores | or at least, that's what i paid for :) |
| 17:24.52 | sifi | stew, s/recent/UNIX time in filename/ |
| 17:25.20 | stew | sifi: then you might want to pipe the output of ls -1 into sort |
| 17:25.27 | cahoot | OpenSores: yes I notice - have the same hd here Maxtor 6Y080L0 (81964 MB) - strange |
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| 17:25.59 | sifi | stew, they say so in bash to, why? and how should it look like? |
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| 17:26.04 | OpenSores | it says 80 on the hd |
| 17:26.19 | stew | OpenSores: do you have a bios setting that is claping the size maybe? |
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| 17:27.51 | OpenSores | not afaik |
| 17:28.02 | toothpick | If you only have one set of sources how is upgrade different from dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:28.03 | stew | sifi: "ls -1 /personal/whatever | sort | tail -1" or maybe ...| sort -n |... |
| 17:28.38 | sifi | stew, right, but why is sort god here, I can do it without |
| 17:29.39 | FourierSeries | Ok. my goal for this after noon is to setup cups, set up a pdf "pseudo" printer, connet to it from a W2k box, and print from there. lets see how I do ... |
| 17:30.47 | sifi | stew, does it increase the speed of finding the file |
| 17:31.09 | stew | sifi: ls gives you files in file creation order, not in filename sorted order |
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| 17:32.45 | sifi | stew, ok, but I let the script decide the newest file by it's filname that is based on UNIX time |
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| 17:32.51 | Estes2 | I don;t want to create a flamme war but... Anyone could preconise postfix qmail or exim instad of the other ones ? and why ? |
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| 17:33.16 | pipeline | Estes2: All three are easier to deal with than sendmail. |
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| 17:33.36 | sifi | stew, so I guess | sort is not for me in this case, god to know anyway |
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| 17:33.51 | Estes2 | pipeline, i know this.. i just mean, why an one instead fo the other ones |
| 17:33.59 | azeem | Estes2: qmail is not Free Software, if you care |
| 17:34.11 | azeem | just pick one of the two (or three) |
| 17:34.11 | petemc | plus it sucks, feature wise |
| 17:34.12 | Estes2 | azeem, i care, so qmail is out |
| 17:34.25 | Estes2 | ok, i use postfix currently |
| 17:34.27 | pipeline | qmail is a djb product, with all the bullshit that implies |
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| 17:34.40 | pipeline | Estes2: Well, if you're using postfix now, and it works, why would you care about anything else? |
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| 17:34.42 | blondie | lololololol |
| 17:34.55 | pipeline | blondie: OMGWTFBBQROFL |
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| 17:34.56 | Estes2 | pipeline, I'm going to set up a new cluster so... wondering |
| 17:35.08 | blondie | yes |
| 17:35.09 | pipeline | Estes2: Well, you already know how to configure postfix. Why fuck around? |
| 17:35.13 | azeem | Estes2: you might get better support for exim4 in here, as it is the standard one |
| 17:35.21 | azeem | but then, if you are familiar with postfix... |
| 17:35.23 | Estes2 | hum |
| 17:35.32 | azeem | well, s/better/slightly better/ |
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| 17:35.53 | Estes2 | pipeline, just was wondering if something else would have a goooood feature postfix doesn't have |
| 17:36.06 | DeadSoul | using new etch debian install and everything is good but is there any doc to install/configure window managers like fluxbox or xfce? right now i only have the default gnome running |
| 17:36.15 | azeem | Estes2: if you have to ask this question, the answer is probably "no" |
| 17:36.23 | Estes2 | ok |
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| 17:36.30 | Estes2 | ty |
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| 17:40.55 | cahoot | FourierSeries: blogging away? |
| 17:41.51 | FourierSeries | cahoot: sort of... |
| 17:42.01 | sbk | I'm not too familiar with hyperthreading issues -- I do notice that under mpstat, all the interrupts seem to be allocated to one cpu only. Does it make sense to try and 'balance' it out with something like irqbalance? |
| 17:42.05 | ILF_ | i dunno what i did, but it works now. |
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| 17:42.23 | bbrazil | sbk: do you have more than 1 cpu? |
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| 17:42.33 | bbrazil | (physical cpu) |
| 17:42.34 | sbk | bbrazil: nope, it's only hyperthreaded |
| 17:42.40 | bbrazil | sbk: then I wouldn't worry about it |
| 17:42.54 | djk_ | hi, is it possible to print a pdf in cli with 2 or 4 pages on 1 sheet? |
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| 17:43.12 | sbk | bbrazil: interesting; ok thanks. time to read up on what hyperthreading really means then :) |
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| 17:43.37 | FourierSeries | djk_: *gah* I'm only up to printing a test page ... |
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| 17:44.11 | lekvar | I'm curious when a cetain package (probably in unstable now) might find its way into testing. How do I check what's still in the way of that happening? |
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| 17:44.31 | stew | lekvar: /msg dpkg why is pkgname not in testing |
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| 17:44.59 | lekvar | heh! |
| 17:45.14 | FourierSeries | Ok first question. Where does cups dump the pdf file? |
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| 17:45.19 | trym | any idea where k3b went ? |
| 17:45.27 | lekvar | stew - thanks :) |
| 17:45.37 | stew | trym: /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 17:45.47 | beardy | FourierSeries: find, or updatedb and locate ? |
| 17:45.47 | djk_ | FourierSeries: you can use lp to print things in cli, but apparently there's no option for what i want :-/ |
| 17:45.48 | trym | k |
| 17:45.50 | stew | trym: and /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
| 17:47.09 | FourierSeries | beardy: LOL! Actually, that *is* what I did ... maybe it is some sort of "HP" file extension, i should have installed a different driver ... still looking tho' |
| 17:47.29 | trym | i tried compiling it from source but got: http://pastebin.ca/34208 |
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| 17:48.24 | stew | trym: you are trying to compile upstream source or the sid package? |
| 17:48.38 | trym | stew: the general linux package |
| 17:48.40 | FourierSeries | djk_: I *just* installed cups, first time, and am walking thu the process of setting up a PDF printer |
| 17:48.46 | stew | trym: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:49.20 | trym | thanks :) |
| 17:49.44 | nipra | Can someone help? http://pastebin.com/470426 |
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| 17:50.56 | stew | nipra: did you try editing the config_gnet file? |
| 17:52.17 | tuv | trym: i suffered the same problem and ended up upgrading to sid |
| 17:52.28 | nipra | stew, yes.But no succes |
| 17:52.49 | nipra | *success |
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| 17:53.34 | stew | tuv: why would you "upgrade" to sid instead of just backporting k3b or installing the sid k3b package? |
| 17:53.57 | stew | nipra: you do what it says with that file and it seems to make no difference? |
| 17:54.20 | nipra | stew, in fact after editing and saving the file when i reopen it i get the old unedited file |
| 17:54.29 | nipra | stew, exactly |
| 17:54.29 | tuv | stew: because there were few other packages with the same problem. a single solution to all of them is to upgrade |
| 17:54.57 | tuv | stew: besides, i wanted to see how unstable is, and i found it pretty good. no problems so far |
| 17:54.58 | stew | nipra: you are editing it while it is not running, correct? you should check the bts, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 17:55.55 | tuv | stew: some of the packages i needed were uninstallable from sid on testing |
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| 17:56.49 | FourierSeries | OH! there they are under /var/spool/cups/c0000x where x=1 thru 5. Five test pages. yeay! |
| 17:57.29 | tuv | stew: i was about to switch to ubuntu to try it out when i thought i should try sid first. i think i'm gonna stay with sid for a while, unless problems arise |
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| 17:58.08 | toothpick | tuv, I'm using sid, just wish xvidcap was working |
| 17:58.10 | stew | tuv: which will probably be soon during the kde3.5 transition |
| 17:58.31 | cahoot | FourierSeries: not using cups-pdf? |
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| 17:59.05 | tuv | anyone managed to install jde? it installed on testing but didn't work, and won't install on sid |
| 17:59.07 | cahoot | FourierSeries: if you do: Documents are written to the user's home in the ~/PDF/ directory |
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| 18:00.34 | FourierSeries | cahoot: am using cups-pdf. I see stuff under /var/spool/cup but; ( checks home dir ) ... Oh! Lookie! A new "cups-pdf" directory! and five test PDS's! |
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| 18:00.52 | FourierSeries | cahoot: TY. |
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| 18:01.14 | tuv | stew: i can always go back to testing |
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| 18:01.33 | ross | hello is there anyway I can downgrade my libdb ? |
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| 18:02.17 | stew | tuv: yeah, as long as you don't mind reinstalling |
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| 18:02.48 | AnalogMind | yeah well i dont know where to mount my usb devices my system is SCSI my hard drive is sda and my nikon is sdf1 but i plugged in another camera (a very cheap one) when i do lsusb i comes like this "Bus 002 Device 007: ID 093a:010f Pixart Imaging, Inc." |
| 18:03.04 | stew | ross: in generall there is no supported way to download. you can *try* "apt-get install libdb=version" but if they data has gone through a binary incompatible version its not likely to work |
| 18:03.09 | Eulex | AnalogMind, try fdisk -l |
| 18:03.13 | stew | ^download^downgrade |
| 18:03.19 | tuv | stew: actually i do mind. i can just ignore the kde transition problems by changing my sources to testing |
| 18:03.27 | sifi | Is it possible to automate the password in a command when I connect to a ssh server (eg ssh USER@IP PASSWORD)? |
| 18:03.32 | FourierSeries | Ooooh! Purdy. Now ... let's see if I can set something up so that my W2k box can print to this local PDF printer .... |
| 18:03.50 | AnalogMind | Eulex it gives my partitions nothing more |
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| 18:04.11 | AnalogMind | Eulex sda1 - 6 |
| 18:04.16 | stew | sifi: setup a passwordless ssh key. man ssh-keygen / ssh-copy-id |
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| 18:04.25 | Eulex | AnalogMind, it should give you the partitions on your usb devices too... |
| 18:04.35 | AnalogMind | It doesn't |
| 18:04.55 | tuv | sifi: use keys instead of passwords for automated logins |
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| 18:05.44 | AnalogMind | any ideas how could i find my usb devices |
| 18:05.54 | stew | AnalogMind: you are trying to mount a camera? |
| 18:06.17 | AnalogMind | yeah mass storage it works perfectly with the nikon |
| 18:06.20 | stew | AnalogMind: are you sure the camera supports usb-mass-storage? |
| 18:06.20 | laludelala | Hallo! |
| 18:06.28 | laludelala | I have a small question ... |
| 18:06.40 | stew | AnalogMind: not all cameras support usb mass storage, you might need to use libgphoto2-2 |
| 18:06.41 | beardy | Ask it. |
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| 18:06.55 | DeadSoul | using new etch debian install and everything is good but is there any doc to install/configure window managers like fluxbox or xfce? right now i only have the default gnome running |
| 18:07.05 | AnalogMind | stew ok but what i need is to find where my usb devices are |
| 18:07.10 | stew | AnalogMind: lsusb |
| 18:07.17 | AnalogMind | did it already |
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| 18:07.32 | stew | AnalogMind: then what is your question? |
| 18:07.46 | laludelala | I have installed ffmpeg (from testing), and am now looking for someone who can help me with it ... So it is a little bit offtopic, I know |
| 18:07.48 | stew | DeadSoul: apt-get install fluxbox ; apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 18:08.20 | Eulex | DeadSoul, xfce's not a window manager |
| 18:08.23 | AnalogMind | stew ok lets say i have a flash drive and i wanted to mount it, the problem is that i cant, i dont know under what /dev thing is |
| 18:08.30 | beardy | DeadSoul: You just install them, and if you want to configure them, their manuals or documtentation/examples in /usr/share/doc will help you. Or perhaps there are theme packages, or google for loose themes or configuration help. |
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| 18:08.55 | tuv | AnalogMind: dmesg just after you plug it |
| 18:09.08 | Eulex | AnalogMind, fdisk -l. and check your dmesg, as tuv said. |
| 18:09.25 | stew | AnalogMind: modprobe sd_mod ; modprobe usb-storage ; fdisk -l ; and you'll see its partitions, or with those modules load it you will see what /dev/ it is attached to in dmesg when you attach the device |
| 18:09.43 | AnalogMind | tuv dmesg gives weird things it gives like 50 lines of this evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0 |
| 18:10.05 | beardy | AnalogMind: less /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:10.30 | DeadSoul | ok cause right now X and gnome is working nicely |
| 18:10.32 | beardy | AnalogMind: Or, if plugging things in, what tuv said though. |
| 18:10.34 | NichtMued | I have a server equipped with a DVD-RAM burner. The file server's OS is Debian Sarge. I want to create DVD-RAM backups. Is there a neat CONSOLE DVD-RAM burning program? |
| 18:10.44 | DeadSoul | i just want to install fluxbox and tell xorg to load it |
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| 18:11.14 | beardy | NichtMued: cdrecord, probably not DVD-RAM though, I don't know what can burn that.. |
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| 18:11.49 | DeadSoul | where do you config which window managers xorg will load? |
| 18:11.50 | stew | NichtMued: try dvd+rw-tools package |
| 18:11.51 | NichtMued | beardy: Thanks. |
| 18:11.52 | tuv | DeadSoul: after intsalling xfce you will have an entry in sessions dialog on gdm login |
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| 18:12.04 | NichtMued | stew: Thanks, too. |
| 18:12.06 | DeadSoul | yeah its gdm |
| 18:12.11 | Eulex | DeadSoul, xorg doesn't start any window manager |
| 18:12.32 | DeadSoul | i got xorg and gdm loaded |
| 18:12.36 | liran__ | i cant mount my cdrom |
| 18:12.48 | beardy | liran__: Error message? |
| 18:12.57 | liran__ | mount /dev/cdrom; mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
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| 18:13.08 | DeadSoul | gdm will just detect xfce or fluxbox and i can select it on login? |
| 18:13.15 | liran__ | in /etc/fstab it reads: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 18:13.24 | laludelala | Well, hast anyone run the debian ffmpeg properly for DVD-VOB recoding? |
| 18:13.36 | AnalogMind | stew those modules are not present |
| 18:13.48 | stew | AnalogMind: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:13.57 | DeadSoul | kernel version |
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| 18:14.09 | liran__ | beardy, i should probably mention that im runing 2.6.14-2-em64t-p4-smp and sata so maybe that's causing it |
| 18:14.13 | AnalogMind | stew 2.6.14 |
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| 18:14.32 | usn | hi folx |
| 18:14.46 | Eulex | AnalogMind, have you built it yourself? |
| 18:14.46 | beardy | liran__: Are you sure that is really the correct device? Check dmesg,'dmesg | grep hd' |
| 18:14.51 | AnalogMind | Eulex yes |
| 18:14.55 | Eulex | DeadSoul, select xfce as session |
| 18:14.56 | stew | AnalogMind: you probably forgot to add support for them when you compiled it then, you might try a debian kernel |
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| 18:15.07 | Eulex | !wayc AnalogMind |
| 18:15.07 | dpkg | AnalogMind: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 18:15.29 | beardy | liran__: Is the cdrom sata? |
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| 18:15.32 | liran__ | beardy, im not sure at all :) SCSI device sda: 320170943 512-byte hdwr sectors (163928 MB) from dmesg |
| 18:15.46 | AnalogMind | dpkg I like to do things myself and see whats going on even though im just starting |
| 18:15.52 | beardy | liran__: Then your fstab is wrong. |
| 18:15.55 | liran__ | beardy, i dont know. i can reboot and check in the bios i guess |
| 18:15.59 | FourierSeries | hmmm ... "client-error-forbidden" .. heads over to google ... |
| 18:16.32 | beardy | liran__: You don't have to, what dmesg said is correct, and /dev/hd? is for IDE devices, I guess sata considers itself SCSI. |
| 18:16.45 | liran__ | beardy, how do i go about finding where is it sitting? (sda/hd/etc)? |
| 18:17.05 | beardy | liran__: "SCSI device sda" /dev/sda I'd guess? |
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| 18:17.21 | yitana | hola |
| 18:17.31 | yitana | hello |
| 18:17.39 | stew | AnalogMind: recompile your kerel with usb mass-storage and scsi disk support |
| 18:17.47 | AnalogMind | it has it |
| 18:17.48 | yitana | que dices |
| 18:17.52 | liran__ | beardy, /dev/sda1, 2 and 3 are filesystem, so sda4 is cdrom. thats what you mean? |
| 18:18.00 | yitana | eres inglés |
| 18:18.04 | Eulex | liran_, try appending libata.atapi_enabled=1 to your kernel options |
| 18:18.11 | yitana | tonto |
| 18:18.34 | beardy | liran__: I have no experince with sata. Listen to Eulex. |
| 18:18.37 | yitana | hola |
| 18:18.43 | liran__ | Eulex, that would mean recompiling though... wouldnt it? |
| 18:18.45 | yitana | hola |
| 18:18.52 | yitana | tio bueno |
| 18:18.55 | Eulex | liran_, no, just a reboot |
| 18:18.55 | AnalogMind | stew it has mass-storage and scsi disk support compiled into the kernel |
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| 18:19.12 | Eulex | yitana, la lengua de #debian es inglés. por favor usen #debian-es. |
| 18:19.17 | yitana | hola |
| 18:19.19 | beardy | liran__: No, append it to the kernel at next boot, preferably add it in your bootloader configuration. |
| 18:19.19 | tuv | this VistaBut gnome theme is nice, anyone tried it? |
| 18:19.25 | stew | AnalogMind: oh, then you can skip the part about modprobing them if they are already compiled in, of course |
| 18:19.26 | mz_work | liran_: /dev/sdaX are partitions on the same drive - your cdrom device would be sdb or hdb or similar |
| 18:19.35 | yitana | gola |
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| 18:20.00 | yitana | hola |
| 18:20.04 | beardy | Why does it say "SCSI device sda:" then? |
| 18:20.19 | dtech | what is the deal with the 2.6.8 kernel upgrading during a dist-upgrade when i already have it.. |
| 18:20.29 | liran__ | Eulex, where do i append it to, /etc/modules? |
| 18:20.34 | mz_work | beardy: well you are correct that sata is seen as scsi |
| 18:20.58 | mz_work | i am simply saying that sda4 is not a cdrom as liran_ asked |
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| 18:21.14 | Eulex | liran_, you've probably got the problem that your cd drive is sata. sata over atapi needs a kernel recompile on kernels earlier than 2.6.14 and that kernel option on 2.6.14. you add it to your kernel options in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 18:21.17 | stew | dtech: a security update was released recently, see DSA 922-1 |
| 18:21.25 | beardy | mz_work: I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just asking why his dmesg says sda. |
| 18:21.25 | liran__ | right mz, i realized what i was saying. |
| 18:21.26 | dtech | stew: ty |
| 18:21.54 | DeadSoul | whats need for make? |
| 18:21.58 | liran__ | ahh ok, thanks Eulex. |
| 18:21.58 | DeadSoul | needed* |
| 18:22.06 | beardy | DeadSoul: build-essential ? |
| 18:22.13 | DeadSoul | like for make menuconfig |
| 18:22.27 | DeadSoul | weird its not installed.. |
| 18:22.31 | stew | dtech: build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
| 18:22.37 | Eulex | !wayc DeadSoul |
| 18:22.37 | dpkg | DeadSoul: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 18:22.38 | DeadSoul | i got libs yeah |
| 18:22.40 | beardy | !menuconfig |
| 18:22.40 | dpkg | methinks menuconfig is you will need libncurses5-dev. |
| 18:22.42 | liran__ | just a general question, that means that on 2.6.14 and kernels i can add kernel options on boot time that i would have normally put on 2.4 or 2.6 kernels on a .config and had to recompile? |
| 18:22.56 | DeadSoul | dpkg. im making my kernel |
| 18:23.00 | Eulex | liran_, just for that option. |
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| 18:23.11 | liran__ | ahh, i was almost too happy :) |
| 18:23.28 | ruslebiffen | how do i load debian from GRUB command line? |
| 18:23.29 | liran__ | ok thanks, ill try it |
| 18:23.31 | Eulex | liran_, for pre-2.6.14 you even had to mess around in the source and change an #undef to #define for sata over atapi to work. |
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| 18:23.54 | DeadSoul | no such thing as build-essential |
| 18:23.56 | Eulex | DeadSoul, yeah, but why? |
| 18:24.00 | DeadSoul | but i do have libncurses5 |
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| 18:24.20 | beardy | DeadSoul: Yes such thing as build-essential. |
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| 18:24.42 | Eulex | DeadSoul, if build-essential ain't there, you're not on debian. |
| 18:24.44 | DeadSoul | well apt-get and apt-cache dont see any build-essential package |
| 18:24.52 | DeadSoul | im on etch |
| 18:25.00 | Eulex | hmm |
| 18:25.05 | stew | !info build-essential etch |
| 18:25.12 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 18:25.13 | nkuttler | ruslebiffen: basically root foo, kernel bar, boot. read the docs. |
| 18:25.52 | Eulex | DeadSoul, it's there. you might have gotten a bad mirror. |
| 18:25.56 | DeadSoul | i got make command not found.. |
| 18:26.00 | stew | DeadSoul: if you cannot install build-essential your sources.list is messed up, apt-setup and run apt-get update |
| 18:26.15 | jon_kare | does linux-source-xxx include the debian patches? |
| 18:26.20 | stew | jon_kare: yes |
| 18:26.26 | jon_kare | tnx |
| 18:26.30 | beardy | jon_kare: If it's the debian package, yes. |
| 18:26.34 | DeadSoul | should i stay in testing for apt? |
| 18:26.37 | DeadSoul | since i got etch |
| 18:26.48 | stew | DeadSoul: either "testing" or "etch" yes |
| 18:26.48 | _SerhaT_ | etch is testing.. |
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| 18:27.51 | peppet | stew, kernel source package is kernel-source... not linux-source... |
| 18:28.11 | beardy | !lose peppet |
| 18:28.11 | dpkg | peppet: You Lose. |
| 18:28.17 | beardy | ;) |
| 18:28.39 | DeadSoul | yay it works not |
| 18:28.40 | tuv | i'm trying to change the nautilus gnome logo on the right to debian logo, but have problems with the animation. anyone tried doing somthing like that? anyone knows about a package that can generate gif/png animations easily? |
| 18:28.41 | DeadSoul | now* |
| 18:28.46 | stew | peppet: its kernel-source in stable and linux-source in testing and unstable |
| 18:28.55 | DeadSoul | weird all other packages worked before |
| 18:29.17 | DeadSoul | installing build-essential |
| 18:29.22 | peppet | stew, ok |
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| 18:29.42 | hax | can someone help me get ncftpget working? no matter what i give it, it just exits... and then if i use the -d, it shows me the help cruft, like i'm putting in the arguments wrong... but i don't think i am |
| 18:30.08 | hax | i want to mirror this ftp, and i'm using: ncftpget -R -d -u myuser -p mypass myhost.com . |
| 18:30.08 | beardy | hax: You must be, if it's not doing what you want. |
| 18:30.20 | hax | and i've tried a ton of different things, and i can't make it work any way i try |
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| 18:30.49 | hax | any ideas? |
| 18:31.03 | tuv | hax: wget is not good for you? |
| 18:31.18 | hax | tuv: wget would be okay too |
| 18:31.39 | tuv | hax: has wget got any problems then? |
| 18:31.41 | hax | tuv: do you know with wget if there's any way i can make it not put the things in a directory that says myhost.com/? |
| 18:31.52 | hax | tuv: well, last time it didnt seem to get the whole directory structure |
| 18:31.56 | if | hello everyone, can someone tell me how i can patch my iptables and 2.6.12 kernel with patch-o-matic ? i'm using debian testing |
| 18:32.27 | tuv | hax: wget can remove myhost.com/ from the mirror. read man wget |
| 18:32.41 | hax | tuv: i can't figure it out |
| 18:33.12 | peppet | hax, what remote directory do you want to mirror? / ? |
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| 18:33.23 | stew | hax: you are not giving -d a file to log into and you are not specifying any remote files to download |
| 18:33.24 | tuv | hax: -nH |
| 18:34.54 | tuv | hax: you can't figure what out? |
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| 18:35.19 | mmomu | ola |
| 18:35.38 | hax | ahh, so confused, sec |
| 18:35.59 | mmomu | d donde eres?¿?¿?¿ |
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| 18:37.19 | stew | !es |
| 18:37.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:37.22 | beardy | !es |
| 18:37.26 | stew | oh he's gone anyway |
| 18:37.27 | beardy | !lose me |
| 18:37.27 | dpkg | beardy: You Lose. |
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| 18:42.13 | Octave_Octet | Hi. Are there solutions to convert a partition from ntfs to ext3 ? |
| 18:42.36 | b14ck | Is there a way for me to set my system time with where I live? Like a location time setter? I need to fix my system time >< |
| 18:43.00 | jon_kare | Octave_Octet: tar or cp should work |
| 18:43.06 | tuv | Octave_Octet: backup, format |
| 18:43.43 | pipeline | b14ck: tzconfig |
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| 18:45.07 | b14ck | pipeline, for some reason, after doing that, the date is still wrong >< |
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| 18:45.20 | pipeline | b14ck: ntpdate |
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| 18:45.38 | b14ck | b14ck@darkness:~$ sudo ntpdate |
| 18:45.38 | b14ck | sudo: ntpdate: command not found |
| 18:46.00 | pipeline | b14ck: Then install it. |
| 18:46.20 | b14ck | k |
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| 18:46.33 | tuv | is ntpdate configured to run periodically or just on boot? |
| 18:46.42 | heraclit0 | Hi there!! |
| 18:47.33 | obscuresoul | how can i install a wireless pci adapter in debian? |
| 18:47.33 | b14ck | pipeline, that did it, thanks. |
| 18:47.56 | heraclit0 | I want to adopt a package, I'm not DD but I would like to become one, now the package has no bugs, so I have to regenerate the package, just changing control file and closing the orphned field, is it rigth? |
| 18:47.58 | pipeline | obscuresoul: If it's supported by the kernel, you should just have to install wireless-tools and be good to go. |
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| 18:48.06 | pipeline | obscuresoul: If it's not supported by the kernel, then give up. |
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| 18:48.45 | mz_work | obscuresoul: what wireless pci card? what chipset does it have? |
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| 18:48.57 | solemnwarning | is there some package i need to install to get the C++ inet_addr function?? |
| 18:49.29 | obscuresoul | mz_work USR2216 22 Mbps Wireless PCI Adapter |
| 18:49.41 | solemnwarning | ive included the header files that should have it but its not there |
| 18:49.43 | Gnea | solemnwarning: the what function? |
| 18:49.51 | solemnwarning | what do i need to do to get it? |
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| 18:49.59 | solemnwarning | man inet_addr |
| 18:50.19 | Gnea | oh |
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| 18:50.32 | Gnea | solemnwarning: what file isn't there? |
| 18:50.44 | solemnwarning | the files are there |
| 18:50.44 | Eulex | solemnwarning, http://linux.com.hk/penguin/man/3/inet.html |
| 18:50.46 | solemnwarning | but the function isnt |
| 18:51.09 | solemnwarning | i have the man page -_- |
| 18:51.12 | Eulex | solemnwarning, grep the headers |
| 18:51.22 | stew | heraclit0: ask #debian-mentors |
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| 18:51.50 | IRC | alright i recently bought a digital camera and I also bought i SD 128 MB card my PC has a SD/MMC/SM/MS/MS-PRO card reader how could I access the card my system is SCSI |
| 18:51.51 | solemnwarning | its not there |
| 18:51.54 | solemnwarning | NOT THERE |
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| 18:52.00 | solemnwarning | WHY IS IT NOT IN DEBIAN? |
| 18:52.16 | Frosted | ugg |
| 18:52.18 | Gnea | because your mom didn't spank you this morning |
| 18:52.18 | juice_ | does anyone remember what was the name of the package that helps building other packages from the source? |
| 18:52.22 | Gnea | i have no idea |
| 18:52.24 | bcc | what's the difference between kernel-image and linux-image packages? |
| 18:52.25 | stew | solemnwarning: grep -r inet_addr /usr/include |
| 18:52.30 | hax | tuv: okay, makes sense now, ty |
| 18:52.32 | Frosted | Damn, woke me up with all that yelling |
| 18:52.37 | hax | tuv: btw, do you know why wget would just seem to skip some directories?\ |
| 18:52.43 | hax | could it be related to these '.listing' files? |
| 18:52.47 | beardy | What isn't? |
| 18:52.50 | Gnea | stew: just a bunch of definitions |
| 18:52.50 | solemnwarning | /usr/include/linux/inetdevice.h:extern int inet_addr_onlink(struct in_device *in_dev, u32 a, u32 b); |
| 18:52.50 | solemnwarning | /usr/include/arpa/inet.h:extern in_addr_t inet_addr (__const char *__cp) __THROW; |
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| 18:53.09 | Eulex | solemnwarning, then include arpa/inet.h |
| 18:53.10 | Gnea | solemnwarning: name one program that uses the inet_addr() function. |
| 18:53.13 | stew | solemnwarning: is arpa/inet.h not the one you are looking for? |
| 18:53.46 | Gnea | bcc: linux-image is the new naming convention |
| 18:53.47 | obscuresoul | mz_work..? |
| 18:53.49 | mz_work | obscuresoul: find out hwat chipset the adapter has - that should get you going in the right direction, some googling suggests it might use the acx100 chipset |
| 18:53.51 | tuv | hax: i don't know why it would skip some dirs. |
| 18:54.20 | bcc | Gnea: ok, thanks. will 2.6.14 be fixed soon in unstable? |
| 18:54.20 | obscuresoul | mz_work ok thank you |
| 18:54.25 | juice_ | does anyone remember what was the name of the package that helps building other packages from the source? |
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| 18:54.32 | Gnea | bcc: maybe |
| 18:54.40 | Gnea | bcc: it's broken? |
| 18:54.46 | stew | bcc: check the bug #s in /topic |
| 18:54.58 | bcc | Gnea: not the kernel, but the installation process is broken |
| 18:55.13 | Gnea | bcc: hrmmmm |
| 18:55.28 | bcc | if i want to manually install a deb, should i look for kernel-image or linux-image now? |
| 18:55.39 | Gnea | !dbugs 343042 |
| 18:55.41 | Gnea | !dbugs 343048 |
| 18:55.43 | dpkg | #343042:[yaird] linux-image-2.6.14-2-686: Boot aborts with message '/bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/hda1/dev: No such file or directory'; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:48:02 UTC |
| 18:55.45 | dpkg | #343048:[linux-image-2.6.14-2-686] linux-image-2.6.14-2-686: ide fails to initialize, fails to boot; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:03:02 UTC |
| 18:55.51 | hax | tuv: it's odd, because if i explicitly name the dirs, it's fine, but if i just set it on /, it doesnt get them |
| 18:55.55 | stew | bcc: linux-image |
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| 18:55.58 | bcc | nah, not that. |
| 18:56.12 | bcc | the problem i'm seing is about a switch to something from mkinitrd |
| 18:56.16 | tuv | hax: maybe there are no links to those missing dirs. |
| 18:56.19 | bcc | stew: thanks |
| 18:56.21 | stew | bcc: in any case, if we knew anything about when it was going to be fixed we would have but it into the bts |
| 18:56.48 | tuv | hax: if it's mirroring through ftp then it wouldn't know about a dir. unless there is a link to it |
| 18:56.59 | stew | bcc: yes, the something else is yaird, iirc |
| 18:57.04 | Gnea | !bts |
| 18:57.04 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 18:57.44 | bcc | stew: yeah, i got that part |
| 18:57.47 | Gnea | Error: the index is missing or broken. |
| 18:57.55 | Gnea | not sure whether to laugh or not |
| 18:58.01 | hax | tuv: well, there should be... |
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| 18:58.18 | bcc | is is safe to manually install linux-image that comes with testing on a box that runs unstable? |
| 18:58.28 | hax | tuv: also, the transfers keep stalling |
| 18:58.45 | tuv | hax: is it deep in the file structure? like 6 nested dirs. or more? |
| 18:58.46 | hax | tuv: connection goes to "--.--K/s" and it just seems to wait there |
| 18:58.48 | hax | tuv: yes |
| 18:58.51 | stew | bcc: it should be, yes |
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| 18:59.04 | hax | tuv: actually, exactly 6 |
| 18:59.05 | bcc | stew: thanks |
| 18:59.17 | tuv | hax: check the -l option (--level) for wget |
| 18:59.31 | tuv | hax: the default max is 5 |
| 18:59.58 | hax | tuv: oh wow, that'd explain it |
| 19:00.10 | hax | tuv: can i make it infinite? |
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| 19:00.39 | hax | i guess i can just set it to like 20 |
| 19:00.50 | tuv | hax: -l 0 i guess |
| 19:01.14 | tuv | hax: not sure though |
| 19:01.18 | hax | that seems to be working |
| 19:01.45 | juice_ | is there any automatic way to strip all extra commans and other characters like ( ) - and such from apt-cache showsrc package-name output so i can just copy it to apt-get install input? |
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| 19:02.13 | tuv | hax: yup.. it's there in the manpage: -l 0 or -l inf |
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| 19:03.03 | peppet | juice_, sure, man awk |
| 19:03.16 | kreg_work | what's up with the current net install iso? i can't even manually drop to shell and do fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 19:03.33 | hax | tuv: ty, that very solves my problem |
| 19:03.54 | tuv | hax: np |
| 19:04.56 | juice_ | peppet: not so easy, i tried it already, and if i remove all - ( ) > < i will brake package names |
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| 19:05.08 | Gnea | bcc: have you read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343042 yet? there are some solutions there |
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| 19:05.35 | bcc | Gnea: i'll just install 2.6.12 |
| 19:05.43 | stew | juice_: what piece of information are you tring to get? |
| 19:06.01 | hax | does anyone know of a super lightweight solution for sharing contact info in an office? between like 3 computers |
| 19:06.13 | hax | i don't really want to try and setup a whole ldap server |
| 19:06.18 | hax | thunderbird is the address book client |
| 19:06.19 | juice_ | stew: im trying to build some packages, and apt-get build-dep package just shows 'E: Build-dependencies for php4 could not be satisfied.' |
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| 19:06.34 | juice_ | or for php5 |
| 19:06.52 | juice_ | or for some other packages. and i have correct repo |
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| 19:07.38 | stew | juice_: so you are trying to extrace the build-depends? |
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| 19:08.10 | juice_ | stew: yes, since i dont know other way (do you?) to find build depends that apt-cache showsrc |
| 19:08.31 | SirReality | howdy, the update-grub script constantly writes "root=/dev/hda7" when it should be sda7, is there any way to fix this? |
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| 19:09.25 | SirReality | my fstab is all correct, this seems to involve editing /sbin/update-grub, I just don't know what to put here |
| 19:09.33 | juice_ | stew: so i used sed + awk, i was using sed or awk before many times but with some easy tasks, and this one seems very hard - to not damage package name that also have '-' or other characters in them |
| 19:09.46 | juice_ | stew: at least it is for me :) |
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| 19:10.30 | bcc | shit, i upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6 and now instead of rebooting it halts. are there any settings that are responsible for this? it just sits there now. the last line "Restarting system." |
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| 19:10.58 | SirReality | holy crap nevermind, fyi /boot/grub/device.map was wrong |
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| 19:11.22 | peppet | bcc, and before that? |
| 19:11.24 | ecliptik | is there a special place debian stores GDM sessions besides /etc/gdm/Sessions? |
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| 19:11.41 | bcc | peppet: the box would reboot |
| 19:11.56 | mz_work | ecliptik: /usr/share/xsessions/ ? |
| 19:11.57 | bcc | and now it just halts |
| 19:12.24 | ecliptik | mz_work, cool thanks I'll give that a shot |
| 19:12.38 | bcc | yep, just tried 2.4 again and it reboots |
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| 19:13.55 | stew | juice`: you can remove the stuff in () with perl -p -e "s/\(.*?\)//g" |
| 19:14.14 | npx | man regexes are so zen |
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| 19:14.46 | kryl | hi |
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| 19:15.04 | Whitman | I've just installed mingetty and changed /etc/inittab but after a reboot I don't get a login prompt on tty1-tty6. |
| 19:15.11 | juice` | stew: thank you, i didnt know how to stop regex from matching everything from first ( to last ) |
| 19:15.26 | juice` | stew: guess its .*? that stops at first ) |
| 19:15.27 | stew | juice`: in perlre '?' after a match makes it minimal munch |
| 19:15.30 | juice` | stew: thanks again |
| 19:16.29 | stew | juice`: in sed you have to be more explicit, something like s/([^)]*)/ |
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| 19:17.08 | juice` | stew: thats what i failed at |
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| 19:18.23 | npx | holy shit |
| 19:18.29 | npx | Dystopia is insanely cool |
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| 19:19.04 | tuv | npx: what's Dystopia |
| 19:19.10 | tsume | npx: games are an utter waste of time |
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| 19:19.13 | npx | a HL2 mod |
| 19:19.16 | tsume | npx: gamers need to get a life |
| 19:19.32 | npx | Everything is an utter waste of time |
| 19:19.36 | Phroziac | Where would a howto on setting up my environment on sarge to support full UTF-8 in all languages? |
| 19:19.46 | tsume | npx: games are not productive |
| 19:19.52 | tsume | npx: IT work, and programming is |
| 19:20.07 | npx | Being productive is not fun |
| 19:20.21 | tsume | npx: being productive is fun |
| 19:20.26 | kspath | npx: challenging your mind can be |
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| 19:20.43 | npx | No, getting paid to be productive is fun |
| 19:20.43 | tsume | these kids today are really stupid |
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| 19:20.46 | npx | the act of being productive, on it's own, is largely unrewarding |
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| 19:21.01 | bizkit | fucking for virginity can be fun.. but who cares? |
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| 19:21.33 | tsume | bizkit: sexing is different, its fun because your base programming tells you its fun because you are supposed to get females pregnant ;) |
| 19:21.51 | nkuttler | npx: find something productive that is fun to you. do that as a job. |
| 19:22.17 | npx | Hey, you can call this 'kid' whatever you want while you pound out code for 'fun' |
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| 19:22.29 | npx | I'll be playing dystopia. |
| 19:22.36 | resiak | Phroziac: Do you mean that you don't have all the characters in your fonts, or that your locale is not UTF-8? |
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| 19:22.53 | tsume | npx: yeah fun :) |
| 19:23.01 | bizkit | tsume: i guess you're right, thats hardcoded.. the asexuals are just missing the whole male core :p |
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| 19:23.30 | tsume | bizkit: that is unfortunately hardcoded by genetics as well. |
| 19:23.42 | tsume | bizkit: its not their fault, they were born like that. |
| 19:23.45 | npx | http://dystopia-game.com/about/ |
| 19:23.54 | DeadSoul | whoa debian owns |
| 19:24.10 | npx | it's what deus ex multiplayer should've been |
| 19:24.10 | npx | yeah debian does rock the casbah |
| 19:24.18 | npx | I always wonder what debian is going to look like in 20 years |
| 19:24.22 | frodo | hello.. i just installed debian.. and when it finished installing, and load the x system, i can't see anything, only some vertical lines.. where can i change x config so it can start right? |
| 19:24.33 | resiak | !drxx frodo |
| 19:24.35 | comforteagle | I just installed a new debian box as a webserver.. the apache2.conf has prefork MPM, pthread MPM & perchild MPM: am I suppose to choose one or do they work together? |
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| 19:24.40 | dpkg | frodo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:24.52 | resiak | comforteagle: Depends which version of apache2 you installed. |
| 19:25.16 | nowhere | he can also simply miss an x-windows desktop system and xdm/gdm or kdm |
| 19:25.54 | comforteagle | resiak, 2.0.54 |
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| 19:26.02 | stew | comforteagle: "dpkg -l | grep mpm" should tell you which you have installed, i believe it chooses prefork by default |
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| 19:26.23 | resiak | comforteagle: No, I mean whether you installed the prefork, pthread or perchild version of Apache 2. Listen to stew, who is more on the ball than am I. |
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| 19:26.43 | darkcmd | I have a printer I need to print to through samba |
| 19:26.50 | darkcmd | and its a epson stylus 600Q |
| 19:26.57 | darkcmd | and its supported by the omni drivers |
| 19:27.08 | darkcmd | but they do not come with debian... anyone know what I can do |
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| 19:27.21 | frodo | dpkg: i do ctrl-alt-back space and see the login prompt for a while and then loads x system again.. so i can't do anything =/ |
| 19:27.23 | mtnman | darkcmd: save pressing the enter key til the end of your sentence. |
| 19:27.24 | npx | darkcmd, configuring network printing via CUPS is a lot easier than Samba |
| 19:27.35 | comforteagle | stew, "ii apache2-mpm-pr 2.0.54-5 traditional model for Apache2 " |
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| 19:27.39 | stew | frodo: ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console |
| 19:27.52 | darkcmd | I am using cups to print to a printer... thats shared on a windows machine |
| 19:27.59 | darkcmd | but cups needs the correct driver for that printer |
| 19:28.01 | stew | comforteagle: thats prefork, i guess on sarge, you want "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep mpm" |
| 19:28.02 | frodo | thanks |
| 19:28.03 | tuv | npx: can it run on linux? |
| 19:28.22 | npx | tuv, Dystopia? HL2 is officially supported by Cedega, so I guess so |
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| 19:28.33 | npx | I wouldn't bother trying unless I had an insanely beefy machine |
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| 19:28.36 | comforteagle | stew, so I should comment out the other options I assume. |
| 19:28.55 | darkcmd | does anyone know what to do |
| 19:29.00 | tuv | npx: is it available for free? |
| 19:29.09 | npx | tuv, yes it is |
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| 19:29.14 | loocek | I need some tool to resume download file via ssh ...... |
| 19:29.16 | tuv | npx: where at? |
| 19:29.33 | bizkit | npx: let me guess.. but you need hl2? |
| 19:29.37 | npx | http://dystopia-game.com/about/ |
| 19:29.40 | npx | yeah, it's an hl2 mod |
| 19:29.43 | stew | comforteagle: you shouldn't have to |
| 19:29.51 | abrotman | Gnea: what was that guy's nick ? |
| 19:30.05 | comforteagle | stew, ic. thanks. |
| 19:30.07 | abrotman | Gnea: erm .. the sysklogd guy |
| 19:30.08 | tuv | npx: that site has clients for windows only |
| 19:30.12 | stew | comforteagle: they are in sections like <IfModule prefork> which means they won't be used unless you are running that version |
| 19:30.35 | npx | Yeah, if you want to run it on Linux you have to use Cedega (wine) |
| 19:30.50 | npx | I hear it works pretty well on fast machines |
| 19:30.54 | resiak | Cedega /= Wine; Half-Life 2 works with both Cedega and Wine, I hear. |
| 19:31.18 | darkcmd | so no one has any clue what I should do |
| 19:31.21 | npx | Yeah resiak, I just threw wine in there so he'd have an idea what I was talking about. |
| 19:31.22 | tuv | npx: but i need HL2? which is not free? |
| 19:31.30 | jbroome | no, it is not free |
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| 19:33.15 | bizkit | when i pipe tail -f logfile through ccze, there's any linebuffer between which disallows me to see the log growing in realtime, any ideas how to fix this? |
| 19:33.36 | tomiq | hi:) do you know how to connect to a VPN network? |
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| 19:33.47 | Phroziac | resiak: Both. |
| 19:34.07 | stew | tomiq: that depends heavily on what sort of vpn you are connecting to |
| 19:34.12 | jbroome | tomiq: yes |
| 19:34.46 | tomiq | stew: there should be some standard protocol I suppose...? |
| 19:34.54 | stew | tomiq: many, in fact |
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| 19:35.08 | bizkit | :) |
| 19:35.23 | tomiq | stew: some mikkkrosof:) |
| 19:36.06 | resiak | Phroziac: Right. To generate UTF-8 locales (which I _believe_ includes translations for every piece of software you have installed that has one for that locale), dpkg-reconfigure locales, in which you can set the default locale also. Font-wise, I'm reasonably happy with the Bitstream fonts (apt-get install ttf-bitstream-vera) for latin scripts; I don't know about Hanzi or whatever else you might need. |
| 19:36.15 | peppet | loocek, maybe sftp supports some resuming |
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| 19:36.30 | frodo | dpkg: give me a hand here, how can i know the horizontal sync rate of the monitor? |
| 19:36.30 | dpkg | give frodo a hand here, how can i know the horizontal sync rate of the monitor |
| 19:36.40 | FourierSeries | oh my ... |
| 19:36.43 | Phroziac | resiak: ok, and those fonts will give me every unicode character available? |
| 19:36.45 | stew | tomiq: probably pptp, but you should find out for sure |
| 19:36.50 | resiak | Phroziac: No, they won't. I don't think such a font exists. |
| 19:37.01 | Phroziac | resiak: damn. well, will it have japanese? |
| 19:37.11 | nowhere | dpkg: try dcprobe or something |
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| 19:37.25 | stew | frodo: how is the monitor connected? vga cable? or something digital? |
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| 19:37.41 | comforteagle | stew, what is the difference between those three different options? |
| 19:37.42 | usr500 | hi, was trying to install debian net install, but i have not DHCP connection, can i connect to internet by using pppoeconf or i cannot ? |
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| 19:37.49 | stew | !what are you |
| 19:37.50 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:37.59 | stew | comforteagle: i don't know, ask #apache |
| 19:38.01 | nowhere | usr500: you can't |
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| 19:38.11 | usr500 | uhg :( |
| 19:38.21 | comforteagle | stew, k |
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| 19:38.25 | resiak | Phroziac: I don't know. $( apt-cache search --names-only ^ttf ) will give you a list of TrueType font packages which are in your archives --- some of those might be worth a look. You might also want msttcorefonts (from contrib) for Microsoft's standard fonts, which I believe have a fairly wide range of characters. |
| 19:38.45 | Phroziac | ok |
| 19:38.51 | stew | usr500: read the install guide section about ppp |
| 19:38.56 | peppet | loocek, if it was a big file, then you can split it on source host and download the missing part, then check with md5sum |
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| 19:39.04 | stew | !tell usr500 about ig |
| 19:39.07 | ldysic | Anyone here familiar with the POSIX 4 msgqueue found in librt.so |
| 19:39.08 | resiak | Phroziac: ttf-kochi-gothic, ttf-kochi-mincho look promising for .jp |
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| 19:39.22 | resiak | Phroziac: ttf-mikachan also. Let me know what you find? |
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| 19:40.19 | stew | nowhere: why do you say that usr500 can't use pppoeconf? |
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| 19:40.41 | bcc | i get "Superblock last write time is in the future" after each reboot even if i just ran fsck before shutting down. any ideas? |
| 19:40.57 | nowhere | as far as I know, the net-install only has an option to either give a static ip or a dynamic ip address to connect on a network |
| 19:41.05 | stew | nowhere: you are wrong |
| 19:41.11 | nowhere | eh, dynamic as in dhcp |
| 19:41.15 | Phroziac | ok resiak. |
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| 19:41.27 | tomiq | stew: I will try... but why this is su program? I suppose every user should be able to connect to vpn by his own.... |
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| 19:43.09 | usr500 | the other option is set my router to "mode router" but persons of my internet services lock my router and i cannot find the ip, and i cannot reset it ._.! |
| 19:43.09 | nowhere | !tell nowhere about ig |
| 19:44.21 | stew | tomiq: because altering the routing table requires root priveliges |
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| 19:44.48 | stew | usr500: you should be able to use pppoeconfig |
| 19:45.02 | nowhere | ah I mistook netinstall with floppy disk install, or floppy install must support ppp too |
| 19:45.04 | mtnman | usr500: your ip address seems to be 201.220.99.222 |
| 19:45.42 | stew | nowhere: netinst is a ~ 110mb cd |
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| 19:46.24 | usr500 | stew my netinstall have 40mb |
| 19:47.07 | stew | usr500: that wont' work becuase that cd (the businesscardcd) doesn't have base and pppoeconfig is part of base |
| 19:47.38 | usr500 | ok, i will try to configure my router for dhcp :P |
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| 19:48.14 | frodo | dpkg: i ran xf86config and get the same error... another way? edit config file? something like that? |
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| 19:49.34 | stew | frodo: the config file is XF86Config-4, but you shouldn't have to edit it manually, though now that you have run xf86config, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 19:49.54 | stew | frodo: errr make that /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 19:50.13 | stew | frodo: what is the error you are getting? |
| 19:50.15 | bcc | is rcS.d run for all runlevels? |
| 19:50.20 | stew | bcc: yes |
| 19:50.24 | bcc | ok, thanks. |
| 19:50.42 | bwlang | i'm trying to get start-stop-daemon to stop a script i started... i pass it --stop and --pidfile ... am i missing something? looks the same as other init.d scripts |
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| 19:51.09 | FourierSeries | the printer promptly goes to "paused" status. Durn. well it is progress ... |
| 19:51.13 | nowhere | pass just stop |
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| 19:51.47 | Andy0516 | is there ANYONE in here who can install + configure a web hosting control panel with / for me onmy debian box in return for as much free hosting as they want! |
| 19:52.00 | stew | hah |
| 19:52.16 | sussudio | !hax0r Andy0516 |
| 19:52.20 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 19:52.44 | Andy0516 | hax0r?? |
| 19:52.53 | frodo | stew: when x server stars, i can only see some vertical lines, nothing else... |
| 19:52.56 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.56 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.57 | nowhere | a web hosting control panel? |
| 19:53.04 | sussudio | why are there so many of those in here? |
| 19:53.17 | Andy0516 | nowhere: VHCs dtc, webCP, cPanel |
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| 19:53.26 | FourierSeries | "failed to create anaonymous output directory" AHA! |
| 19:53.28 | Andy0516 | needs to be a freeone / open source! |
| 19:53.29 | stew | frodo: what card? what driver are you using, what resolution did you choose? |
| 19:53.34 | darkcmd | god damn linux shitty printing support |
| 19:53.35 | nowhere | frodo, do you have a x-window login manager installed? |
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| 19:53.44 | darkcmd | it would be nice if someone had package omni-print |
| 19:53.50 | Tortel | YAY! |
| 19:53.58 | Tortel | hwtf? |
| 19:54.04 | Tortel | is this working? |
| 19:54.06 | Tortel | !test |
| 19:54.07 | dpkg | Yes, tortel, you're still online. |
| 19:54.07 | darkcmd | its the only driver set with my printer |
| 19:54.09 | Tortel | good |
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| 19:54.19 | frodo | i think the problem is the resolution, that's why i want to edit the config file.. the computer i'm installing debian has an intel 815 motherboard with video... |
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| 19:54.35 | Tortel | ok, I get the internet working |
| 19:54.42 | nowhere | depends how you define 'vertical lines' |
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| 19:54.53 | jjazz | Tortel, thank you. I was wondering when somebody would fix the Internet. |
| 19:54.59 | stew | frodo: /msg dpkg xmd5 ; /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 19:55.12 | Hool | yay! massive powercut here today.. and now my beloved machine won't boot :( |
| 19:55.23 | Hool | kernel panic |
| 19:55.30 | npx | what the hell did you yay! for then |
| 19:55.36 | D-fence | I have a proble of pptpd version, I need to downgrade to a previous version with apt-get but don't know how to do it ! |
| 19:55.37 | frodo | nowhere: brown and yellow lines i can see in the monitor, instead of seeing some login screen |
| 19:55.39 | npx | I thught you were gonna say you had sex with a how clown or something |
| 19:55.44 | bcc | is gnome-desktop-environment the main package to install that pulls the rest of the stuff or is there a better one to use? |
| 19:55.44 | npx | hot* |
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| 19:56.15 | stew | bcc: yes, or gnome installs more stuff or gnome-session installs less stuff |
| 19:56.19 | Andy0516 | needs to be a freeone / open source! |
| 19:56.23 | Andy0516 | is there ANYONE in here who can install + configure a web hosting control panel with / for me onmy debian box in return for as much free hosting as they want! |
| 19:56.24 | Tortel | hmm, I think that I could be able to fix this... |
| 19:56.27 | nowhere | ok, then prob. your refresh rate etc is wrong, try dc-probe, can't remember the exact name |
| 19:56.27 | sussudio | mentor: there appear to be 5 clones of dddd in here. |
| 19:56.32 | Hool | umm.. |
| 19:56.36 | nowhere | it will tell you your monitor sync stuff |
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| 19:56.39 | Hool | my computers HAS to be feamle.. |
| 19:56.42 | Hool | female |
| 19:56.43 | bcc | stew: i need the minimum. i'll install other stuff later |
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| 19:56.57 | Hool | now when i said pretty please with sugar on top.. it booted \0/ |
| 19:57.00 | resiak | Andy0516: You'll need to pay someone. |
| 19:57.02 | D-fence | I have a problem of pptpd version, I need to downgrade to a previous version with apt-get but don't know how to do it ! |
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| 19:57.17 | resiak | !downgrade |
| 19:57.18 | dpkg | it has been said that downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 19:57.42 | Andy0516 | resiak: not willing to do it for hosting? or guide me to a working solution |
| 19:57.43 | resiak | D-fence: Get the old version's .deb from snapshot.debian.org and dpkg -i it |
| 19:57.53 | D-fence | ok, thanks |
| 19:57.56 | frodo | nowhere: dc-probe don'¿t exist |
| 19:57.57 | jcap | is there a way I can add a precompiled kernel module to a custome debian kernel package? |
| 19:58.02 | grzywacz | Hi. |
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| 19:58.32 | nowhere | it's ddcprobe |
| 19:58.44 | grzywacz | Are there any know problems with java-package in 3.1? I can't build a package from sun's jdk-1.5.0-6... |
| 19:58.45 | resiak | Andy0516: No: a) I don't want hosting, I already have all that I need; b) I'm not sure I would want hosting from someone asking that question anyway. :) |
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| 19:58.58 | EdLin | grzywacz: I've never had a problem with it. |
| 19:59.09 | frodo | nowhere: ddcprobe? doesn't find that command |
| 19:59.18 | nowhere | you need to get it |
| 19:59.23 | frodo | oh... |
| 19:59.24 | D-fence | my browser refuse to go to snapshot.debian.org ! |
| 19:59.39 | nowhere | xresprobe - X Resolution Probe |
| 19:59.40 | FourierSeries | *SCORE* |
| 19:59.43 | nowhere | apt-get install xresprobe |
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| 19:59.48 | grzywacz | EdLin, my dies with "Invalid size (129 MB) of extracted archive." :\ |
| 20:00.08 | frodo | thanks |
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| 20:00.21 | EdLin | grzywacz: what's the size of your archive, are you sure it's not corrupt? |
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| 20:00.50 | grzywacz | EdLin, of course I'm not sure. 8) That's a good idea, I'll re-download it. |
| 20:00.51 | resiak | D-fence: http://snapshot.debian.net/ . Sorry. Incidentally, it's the first hit on Google for "snapshot debian". Maybe a little lateral thinking would help? :) |
| 20:01.44 | frodo | ok nowhere.. done... i have the info. now i should run x86config? or do it manually? |
| 20:02.06 | FourierSeries | can I claim cups certification now? |
| 20:02.15 | nowhere | I do it manually |
| 20:02.27 | nowhere | I think dpkg-reconfigure Xblaat is not so good |
| 20:02.36 | frodo | ok.. ;) |
| 20:02.38 | Tortel | ok, I cant get package info from the testing secure repository, ideas on why? |
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| 20:02.51 | cat | Tortel: huh? |
| 20:02.51 | peppet | frodo, what info? |
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| 20:03.05 | cat | Tortel: did you do info package unstable? |
| 20:03.12 | Tortel | no.... |
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| 20:03.39 | sifi | is it insecure to stream radio as root? |
| 20:03.52 | Tortel | probably |
| 20:04.09 | cat | sifi: nothing is secure running as root, |
| 20:04.27 | cat | only the things you need to run as root, there secure |
| 20:04.28 | grzywacz | EdLin, nope, checksum is ok. ;\ |
| 20:04.31 | npx | Except me |
| 20:04.37 | sifi | cat, but how dangerous can it be to stream radio as root? |
| 20:04.48 | blondie | cat: mew |
| 20:04.48 | Eulex | sifi, create a new user for the stream radio. |
| 20:04.51 | grzywacz | But I'm getting some errors from mkdir and so on, as if fake-root didn't work properly... |
| 20:04.56 | Deepa | sifi isnt it quite dangerous? |
| 20:04.59 | sifi | Eulex, ok |
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| 20:05.00 | Eulex | sifi, anything running as root can do anything. |
| 20:05.05 | cat | sifi: really, dangerous read a root howtwo, or something |
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| 20:05.14 | sifi | cat, ok |
| 20:05.19 | sifi | cat, god to know |
| 20:05.52 | postel | you're binding a high port, you dont need root, you dont even need suid |
| 20:05.55 | Eulex | sifi, apps generally aren't tested to be run as root. they might very well have security problems if you do so. |
| 20:06.05 | stew | grzywacz: some errors are expected |
| 20:06.09 | stew | grzywacz: check the bts |
| 20:06.48 | frodo | nowhere: i cheked the file and seems to be allright.. i'm restarting the system... |
| 20:07.07 | nowhere | you can just type startx |
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| 20:07.35 | DeadSoul | anyone know where is located the default blue debian background that comes with gnome on a new install? |
| 20:07.39 | frodo | i got an error saying that x server was already running on slot 0 or some like that |
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| 20:07.58 | nowhere | ah ok, well restart it then or kill the x processes like gdm/kdm/xdm |
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| 20:08.47 | cat | frodo: sudo killall gdm |
| 20:08.52 | cat | and restart gdm again |
| 20:08.58 | TNKS | hi all. There seems to be two mime database, mailcap and Freedesktop's shared-mime-info. Are Debian packages typically beter at updating both databases? |
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| 20:09.20 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 20:09.20 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:09.39 | dabaR__ | Here is a non-debian related question. Feel free to direct me somewhere else. Is a triangle pointing down a standard sign for grounding? |
| 20:09.43 | frodo | nowhere: nothiung.. got some moving lines and then a gray screen =/ |
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| 20:10.01 | Eulex | ladyisabel77, you again? weren't you here a few days ago... and did !it a lot of times then too? |
| 20:10.24 | tomiq | stew: do you know some pptp gui? there is a lot of information I don't understand.. |
| 20:10.25 | kspath | is there a #debian-lt for latin rather than latvia or lithunia? |
| 20:10.32 | ladyisabel77 | Eulex, :( |
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| 20:10.44 | stew | tomiq: nope, sorry |
| 20:10.52 | nowhere | frodo: that's good |
| 20:10.57 | thingfish | DeadSoul: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/debblue-1600x1200.png |
| 20:11.10 | nowhere | do apt-get install gdm |
| 20:11.11 | sdakota | how to change the group of an already existing user? - and is it safe to add the FTP user and the www-data user to the same group so it has write permissions? |
| 20:11.34 | nowhere | you prob. don't have gdm/kdm/xdm installed which you need |
| 20:11.46 | nowhere | and you need a windows manager such as gnome/kde/xfce |
| 20:11.50 | stew | sdakota: adduser user group, |
| 20:11.52 | frodo | gdm is already installed |
| 20:12.15 | sdakota | stew: the user already exist |
| 20:12.18 | sdakota | stew: +S |
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| 20:12.25 | nowhere | gpasswd |
| 20:12.28 | sdakota | stew: exists** |
| 20:12.39 | nowhere | man gpasswd should give some info |
| 20:12.41 | sdakota | Quickimaster, hey, a dutchie ^^ |
| 20:12.48 | Quickimaster | ;) |
| 20:13.02 | Eulex | nowhere, none of gnome, kde or xfce are window managers. |
| 20:13.10 | DeadSoul | when i do startx it goes into gnome by default.. how can i make it start fluxbox instead? |
| 20:13.29 | nowhere | yeah, I mean something else |
| 20:13.32 | Quickimaster | I have exim on my debian server, but i can't uninstall it somehow |
| 20:13.32 | sdakota | how to add a user to another group? |
| 20:13.48 | stew | sdakota: "adduser username groupname" |
| 20:13.51 | sdakota | Quickimaster: what does "apt-get remove exim4" give you? |
| 20:13.56 | DeadSoul | Quickimaster. do apt-get --purge remove exim4 |
| 20:14.09 | sdakota | stew: ok.. |
| 20:14.09 | Quickimaster | moment |
| 20:14.12 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: you need to install a replacement MTA, like sendmail , etc. |
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| 20:14.20 | kspath | Quickmaster: maybe apt-get install postfix ? |
| 20:14.33 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: unless you wish to force it to be gone ... |
| 20:14.39 | nowhere | frodo, what do you get if you kill gdm and restart it in a shell? |
| 20:14.52 | Eulex | nowhere, "desktop environment" |
| 20:15.01 | nowhere | that's better yes |
| 20:15.01 | frodo | nowhere: don't get it.. this x server is driving me crazy!! |
| 20:15.13 | Quickimaster | i need it to be removed, so i can install the right exim version for direct admin |
| 20:15.14 | ladyisabel77 | Eulex, did you ban me in this chan? |
| 20:15.20 | Eulex | ladyisabel77, no |
| 20:15.23 | ladyisabel77 | ok |
| 20:15.40 | DeadSoul | what do i need todo so when a user does startx it will load fluxbox instead of gnome? |
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| 20:16.19 | kspath | DeadSoul: did you apt-get install fluxbox? |
| 20:16.24 | Quickimaster | http://pastebin.com/470615 << that is what i get |
| 20:16.28 | DeadSoul | yeah fluxbox runs fine |
| 20:16.34 | frodo | nowhere: i killed gdm and it loaded gdm again |
| 20:16.38 | stew | Quickimaster: are you planning to install exim from source instead? |
| 20:16.39 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: i would do it thru "aptitude" by specifing remove exim4 and adding exim3 ( or whtever ) at the same time. then just hit "go" |
| 20:16.43 | jon_kare | an athlon64 in 32 bit mode should have a 686 kernel, right? |
| 20:16.44 | frodo | i mean.. it restarted |
| 20:16.47 | nowhere | DeadSoul: edit /etc/inittab maybe |
| 20:16.49 | DeadSoul | its just that i dont run gdm on boot and i want user to actualy do startx to load x |
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| 20:17.03 | nowhere | ah no, that's for gdm/kdm stuff |
| 20:17.34 | stew | jon_kare: a 64 bit kernel can run 32 bit apps. but if you really want a 32 bit kernel, i believe you would want the k7 kernel, not the 686 kernel |
| 20:17.36 | nowhere | frodo, still gray screen? |
| 20:17.55 | DeadSoul | well if root runs gdm i can choose gnome or fluxbox and both work |
| 20:18.07 | DeadSoul | but if a normal user does startx it starts gnome |
| 20:18.09 | Quickimaster | i need an exim that works whit direct admin 1.25.500, no other requirements |
| 20:18.11 | kspath | DeadSoul: did you egrep -r gnome /etc ? |
| 20:18.17 | Quickimaster | but to do that i have to remove this one |
| 20:18.28 | DeadSoul | whats egrep -r gnome /etc ? |
| 20:18.35 | frodo | nowhere: yeah... i get some wird colors moving and then get the gray screen |
| 20:18.38 | nowhere | search all text files in /etc for gnome |
| 20:18.45 | Quickimaster | exim 4.51 is the best one if i may believe it for direct admin |
| 20:19.02 | kspath | egrep searches -r means recursive looking for the word gnome in all files in path /etc |
| 20:19.02 | DeadSoul | i just want a normal user to load fluxbox instead of gnome.. aint it xorg or gdm related? |
| 20:19.16 | nowhere | frodo, weird, I'd think gdm would start, the gray screen is good, but gdm not popping up is not good |
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| 20:20.10 | kspath | DeadSoul I am going under assumption the config for that is in one or more places in path /etc I might be wrong I did what you are talking about a year ago I fergit where it all was |
| 20:20.16 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: what ersion do you have now? |
| 20:20.26 | FourierSeries | ( version ) |
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| 20:21.08 | Quickimaster | the one that i did get whit apt-get update or apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:21.11 | frodo | nowhere: that gray screen looks like an error.. like if there was a problem with the config |
| 20:21.13 | Quickimaster | before i did this it worked fine |
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| 20:21.22 | Quickimaster | but after this not anymore :( |
| 20:21.24 | DeadSoul | well so far gdm lets me choose fluxbox or gnome but if i want a normal user to load fluxbox aint it a config file in his homedir? since normal users cant rung gdm he cant select gnome or fluxbox |
| 20:21.49 | g3brown | Installing Sarge 3.1 2.6k. After install can I copy both DVD's to HD and update the config file? |
| 20:21.57 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: probably exim4.50-8 |
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| 20:22.20 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: were you working with exim3 before? |
| 20:22.20 | nowhere | look in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf maybe it has something in there |
| 20:22.25 | kspath | DeadSoul: my idea produces a huge amount of output which you are likely unwilling to parse I will find it for you |
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| 20:23.02 | Quickimaster | FourierSeries > i did work whit the version that did come whit direct admin, before that i was working whit the version that did come whit debian 3.1 (net install) |
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| 20:23.16 | Elly | it's 'with', not 'whit' =\ |
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| 20:24.54 | DeadSoul | if i do plain startx with root or normal user it starts gnome. if i do gdm with root then i can choose fluxbox. all i want is fluxbox to load on startx |
| 20:24.57 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: you are sure it must be exim 4.51? I am unfamilliar with "direct admin." There may be a ".deb" file that you can install for the newest exim4 version. may need to do a google ... |
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| 20:25.03 | Dj4ng0 | anyone know when i installed with cd's named debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1 ,apt-get is asking for debian-31r0a_sarge_i386-binary-1 |
| 20:25.18 | ma3x | hi |
| 20:25.20 | ma3x | iface eth0 inet static |
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| 20:25.22 | ma3x | what would be instead of 'static' for dynamic? |
| 20:25.27 | Quickimaster | FourierSeries > i got the 4.51 version from them |
| 20:25.29 | Tortel | woo |
| 20:25.41 | Quickimaster | http://files.directadmin.com/services/debian_3.1/ is where i did get this version |
| 20:25.46 | nostur | hi, i want to ask, if there is any way, how to activate network interface, like if i plugged in cable, and i wanna use it, how to activate eth1... |
| 20:25.55 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: lemmie check it out ... wait one ... |
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| 20:25.58 | nowhere | ma3x: dhcp |
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| 20:26.35 | frodo | nowhere: everything looks good in gdm.conf |
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| 20:26.49 | nowhere | frodo, I meant DeadSoul should look in gdm.conf :) |
| 20:26.58 | nowhere | doesn't hurt to look for you though |
| 20:27.08 | frodo | no... |
| 20:27.09 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: Oh! Look, an exim 4.51 deb file. Can you install it?or does it complain? |
| 20:27.10 | ma3x | and how do I setup the mirror for apt? |
| 20:27.13 | ma3x | apt-setup or how? |
| 20:27.15 | DeadSoul | has like 20 pages.. looked for gnome in there too |
| 20:27.18 | DeadSoul | nothing |
| 20:27.22 | nowhere | nostur: ifup eth1 |
| 20:27.30 | nostur | thx nowhere |
| 20:27.33 | Quickimaster | i did try that 4.51 .deb file |
| 20:27.35 | korozion | hey, I'm using Sarge, and trying to setup a time server for my local network, it seems to have blown up in my face so far. Is there a doc on this anywhere? |
| 20:27.39 | Quickimaster | but it did give me an error |
| 20:27.43 | Quickimaster | when i did try |
| 20:27.54 | herkules | hi all, I am very n00b linux and installed Debian for the first time yesterdag... my problem is that I cant installe my nvidia driver... keeps getting the error that x server i running eventhough I ended it by doing ctrl+alt+backspace... I surfed the web a bit and as far I can see it looks like I did everything right... anyone knows what is wrong? |
| 20:28.02 | nowhere | korozion: apt-get install ntp-server ntp-simple |
| 20:28.09 | korozion | nowhere done that |
| 20:28.21 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: what is the error? ( if it is a short one liner ) |
| 20:28.22 | frodo | has anyone here had problems with X server when installing debian?? |
| 20:28.37 | Quickimaster | i have to regenerate it, moment |
| 20:28.42 | nowhere | then run ntpdate and then /etc/init.d/ntpd start |
| 20:29.18 | nowhere | frodo, if what deb packages did you install all together for X? |
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| 20:29.45 | nowhere | dpkg -l * and find them |
| 20:29.48 | korozion | nowhere do you mean ntp-server ? |
| 20:29.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching * and find them |
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| 20:30.12 | nowhere | in init.d ? |
| 20:30.14 | Quickimaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.14 | Quickimaster | ./da_exim-4.51.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 20:30.14 | Quickimaster | ./da_exim-4.51.deb: line 1: `!<arch>' |
| 20:30.36 | nowhere | you've to run ntpdate first to get into sync |
| 20:30.42 | frodo | don't find any package |
| 20:30.42 | nowhere | then fire up the ntpd daemon |
| 20:30.43 | korozion | nowhere yeah, I only have /etc/init.d/ntp-server and /etc/init.d/ntpdate |
| 20:30.52 | nowhere | then it's ntp-server |
| 20:31.31 | korozion | yeah, it starts, but machines on the local network can't find a server |
| 20:31.41 | korozion | they're all behind the firewall too |
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| 20:31.59 | nowhere | edit /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 20:32.17 | korozion | I've been doing that, but I'm not sure where I've gone wrong |
| 20:32.18 | nowhere | I don't think debian enables it to listen by default for remote hosts, not sure though |
| 20:32.51 | nowhere | I'd first try to telnet from the other hosts to your ntp-server |
| 20:32.52 | DeadSoul | i was sure that a file like .bash_profile but for xorg could be used to tell xorg to load fluxbox |
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| 20:33.23 | ma3x | why when I type an address in my browser it says "looking up statistic" 1000 times ....... |
| 20:33.25 | kspath | DeadSoul man startx notice references to xinit and the $HOME dir |
| 20:33.26 | ma3x | and it never goes to the site |
| 20:33.30 | ma3x | what the hell is wrong? |
| 20:33.40 | Quickimaster | FourierSeries > did you see it? |
| 20:33.59 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: Ok. you did something like -> dpkg -i da_exim-4.51.deb |
| 20:34.04 | FourierSeries | yes? |
| 20:34.07 | comforteagle | newb Q: I installed & configured apache2, but no realize I didn't install apache/php with msyql support. How do I do that? |
| 20:34.08 | kspath | DeadSoul: I made assumption you read man pages about startx and the like |
| 20:34.08 | Quickimaster | moment |
| 20:34.22 | korozion | nowhere no luck at all |
| 20:34.27 | Quickimaster | yes |
| 20:34.33 | Quickimaster | i give a link to a pastebin |
| 20:34.52 | comforteagle | well, how do I do that with apt? |
| 20:34.59 | Quickimaster | http://pastebin.com/470647 is the link |
| 20:35.03 | nowhere | korozion: you can't telnet from the other hosts to your ntp-server? |
| 20:35.04 | ma3x | would someone help me?? |
| 20:35.11 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: 'k one moment ... |
| 20:35.21 | Quickimaster | ok |
| 20:36.00 | kspath | ma3x: web browser? |
| 20:36.01 | korozion | nowhere not to port 123, if that's what you mean |
| 20:36.02 | Tortel | umm, I need help with this: http://pastebin.com/470648 I just recently upgraded to etch |
| 20:36.06 | ma3x | kspath, firefox |
| 20:36.11 | nowhere | yep, 123 is the port |
| 20:36.16 | korozion | nowhere but I can sure ssh et al to that machine |
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| 20:36.20 | DeadSoul | what do you need to apt-get to have | less ? like | more |
| 20:36.22 | Tortel | that happens when tring to staty synaptic |
| 20:36.28 | nowhere | you can try to see if it is listening at all |
| 20:36.37 | nowhere | netstat -atln | grep 123 |
| 20:36.39 | kspath | ma3x: lookup up statistic is showing where? |
| 20:36.50 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: yeah I guess you will have to force some uninstalls ... let's see ... |
| 20:37.02 | korozion | nowhere netstat -a|grep ntp shows only udp ports listening |
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| 20:37.12 | ma3x | kspath, looking up hotmail or yahoo is showing (redirecting) "statistic" |
| 20:37.19 | funkyHat | I just put a hard drive in a removable drive bay (while the computer was on), how do I access the drive? It should be hdd, but I can't mount or use fdisk... |
| 20:37.20 | kspath | pipe | is built-in less and more should be in 99.9999% of all installs |
| 20:37.29 | nowhere | hmm wait it might be udp |
| 20:37.36 | korozion | I thought it was ;) |
| 20:37.44 | DeadSoul | alright |
| 20:37.50 | DeadSoul | aint it .xinitrc file? |
| 20:37.57 | nowhere | yeah it's udp, try netstat -aunl |
| 20:38.01 | kspath | ma3x: plain vanilla firefox 1.0x ? or 1.5 binary? |
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| 20:38.09 | ma3x | kspath, 1.6 |
| 20:38.11 | nowhere | and search for 123 |
| 20:38.17 | ma3x | kspath, it has something to do with the lan0 |
| 20:38.19 | korozion | kk, 1 sec |
| 20:38.22 | funkyHat | do I have to restart? |
| 20:38.44 | kspath | ma3x: hmm maybe not sure where statistic is showing in status line ? |
| 20:39.09 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: yeah, you will have to do something like "dpkg -r -force exim4-config-2" |
| 20:39.29 | Quickimaster | i'll try |
| 20:39.45 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: although there will be more pakages related to exim4 to force remove as well |
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| 20:39.47 | kspath | ma3x: if you have issue with your lan it will eventually timeout on connecting |
| 20:40.15 | faked | I have a problem with vim, a few weeks ago, I could read gz-text-files (zipped with gzip), but at the moment it doesn't work. Is this a configuration-problem? |
| 20:40.20 | nowhere | I'm going off, korozion , you also have the 'official' ntp docs, they're all blablabla except where they describe ntp.conf and authorization, just google on ntp and you'll get to the docs |
| 20:40.24 | DeadSoul | yay i found it |
| 20:40.40 | DeadSoul | you just need to make a file .xinitrc and put in "exec fluxbox" |
| 20:40.47 | korozion | nowhere ok, thanks for your help |
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| 20:41.34 | kspath | DeadSoul: that is assuming a specific user I assumed you wanted ANY user from gdm or from shell |
| 20:41.59 | kspath | DeadSoul: making assumptions can lead to confusion |
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| 20:44.11 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: still there? |
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| 20:44.27 | kspath | DeadSoul: side note is you might want to start a shell in that .xinitrc and or a panel |
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| 20:44.59 | fndude | Using debootstrap, I have created a build on my raid device. I then chroot to my /mnt/md2 and run base-config. It spits back- Terminated. Is this normal ops? Can somebody point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:45.10 | kspath | DeadSoul: you can use that to have it start up on their favs when they start X |
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| 20:46.59 | Neo20 | hi |
| 20:47.07 | comforteagle | I apt-get install'd apache2 & php4, but php shows it is configured "--without-mysql" how do I configure it with from apt??? |
| 20:47.12 | Neo20 | I've got a question with grub |
| 20:47.24 | Neo20 | anyone can help me? |
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| 20:47.37 | ribnitz | hello. |
| 20:47.48 | kspath | ma3x: did you have a proxy set up in your firefox 1.6? |
| 20:47.53 | Neo20 | I want to boot solaris 10 from grub |
| 20:47.54 | Quickimaster | FourierSeries > sorry telephone |
| 20:47.58 | Neo20 | I have this options |
| 20:48.03 | FourierSeries | Quickimaster: no biggie |
| 20:48.13 | Neo20 | title root makeactive chainloader +1 |
| 20:48.17 | ribnitz | is there an easy way to normalize the volume of audio (.mp3,.ogg=) tracks? |
| 20:48.22 | Neo20 | the disk is (hd0,0) |
| 20:48.31 | Neo20 | the point is that |
| 20:48.43 | Neo20 | after the common install of solaris |
| 20:48.53 | Neo20 | after the first reboot |
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| 20:49.06 | Neo20 | I can enter to it and finish the installation |
| 20:49.08 | ribnitz | FourierSeries: you mean print ot pdf? |
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| 20:49.20 | Neo20 | but after i finished it theirs no way |
| 20:49.27 | Quickimaster | http://pastebin.com/470669 |
| 20:49.33 | Neo20 | sorry theres no way to get to solaris |
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| 20:50.02 | sifi | whats the risk that a USB memory breaks if I just unplug it (if I 100% sure that nothing is working with it)? |
| 20:50.03 | g3brown | I'm installing Sarge as a server that I will only have remote access to. What is the best way to copy the dvd's to hd? Can I just copy them to a folder on my hd and edit the souces.list file to reference a folder on the hd? |
| 20:50.06 | Neo20 | I visited sun.com and the guys of sun told me that grub was correctly configured |
| 20:50.26 | fndude | comforteagle: Your going to need to install the packages for that. php4-mysql. |
| 20:50.43 | kspath | helping people you have no information about is far from easy do not know what level to answer with might even cause more confusion by asking them too many questions WAY over their head |
| 20:50.53 | oohlaf | Hello, where can I find the gpg key to verify backports.org packages? |
| 20:50.58 | comforteagle | fndude, ok, got it |
| 20:51.12 | FourierSeries | ribnitz: I *just* set up cups for the first time ever. Got the PDF printer working ... got a print job to work coming from a W2k box ... however ... |
| 20:51.41 | ribnitz | FourierSeries: I found that cups-lpd is extremely useful there. |
| 20:51.47 | Estes2 | Neo20, i think you're not in the good channel try something like #solaris or something |
| 20:51.48 | FourierSeries | ribnitz: I now want to get "anonymous" print jobs to show up in a generic directory |
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| 20:52.07 | Estes2 | Neo20, or maybe #grub ... |
| 20:52.15 | audi | who can help me configuring a dsl(ethernet) connection? |
| 20:52.37 | kspath | audi: what is there to know? |
| 20:52.38 | FourierSeries | ribnitz: I started this whole thing about 2-3 hours ago & kept a running commentary in-channel. so far so good |
| 20:52.57 | audi | kspath i don't know how to config it. i tried pppoeconf |
| 20:53.00 | audi | but nothing to do. |
| 20:53.02 | kspath | audi: just the info from your provider and plug it in |
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| 20:53.21 | kspath | audi: does your provider use pppoe? |
| 20:53.28 | audi | yes |
| 20:53.36 | audi | i haven't problem on windows |
| 20:53.52 | kspath | is it an internal device or ext router? |
| 20:53.59 | Estes2 | audi ethernet ? you're connected to your modem via an ethernet cable, right ? |
| 20:54.02 | kspath | audi: or is it wireless? |
| 20:54.03 | audi | it's a modem ethernet |
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| 20:54.14 | audi | no, it's not wireless |
| 20:54.19 | Mortis_kruul | Hi all! Look at http://www.muzyka.oz.pl :) |
| 20:54.26 | audi | i do pon dsl-provider and it seem to work |
| 20:54.34 | Estes2 | must be a dhcp modem |
| 20:54.37 | audi | but when i do a ping or some it don't work |
| 20:54.45 | kspath | audi: internal to your computer in a slot or ext via ethernet ? |
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| 20:54.51 | FourierSeries | ooooooh! lookit all the porn ... |
| 20:54.52 | audi | ext via eth0 |
| 20:55.01 | audi | dsl modem |
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| 20:55.19 | kspath | audi: does it act as a bridge and/or router? |
| 20:55.22 | audi | it's a big problem because i can't finish the installation without it |
| 20:55.26 | mae | hey even if you switch the registrar for a domain - isn't it still possible for a DNS server to 'hijack' your domain? |
| 20:55.29 | audi | don't know kspath |
| 20:55.35 | sifi | Is it physical harmful to unplug devices while they send/recive data? |
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| 20:55.51 | kspath | audi: did you use nmap to nmap 192.168.0.0/24 ? |
| 20:55.51 | audi | i know i used it with suse 10, configuring it with yast2 |
| 20:56.00 | audi | kspath i don't know, what's this :P |
| 20:56.00 | FourierSeries | sifi: well, an ide HD would not like it ... |
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| 20:56.19 | kspath | audi: did you configure your eth0 ? |
| 20:56.20 | sifi | FourierSeries, no, but a USB memory? |
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| 20:56.37 | audi | it auto configured it |
| 20:56.38 | FourierSeries | sifi: come to think of it a usb HD would not either. |
| 20:56.49 | kspath | audi: via DHCP ? |
| 20:56.53 | audi | it said: configured OK, then it tries connecting but nothing to do |
| 20:56.58 | sifi | FourierSeries, conclusion: it is harmful? |
| 20:57.08 | audi | then i tried adding the dns and my parameters on resolv ect.. |
| 20:57.11 | audi | but nothing. |
| 20:57.15 | audi | yes via dhcp |
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| 20:57.26 | kspath | audi: what does ifconfig -a say to you? |
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| 20:57.45 | kspath | audi: just the IP is all I am looking for... |
| 20:57.52 | audi | hm |
| 20:57.59 | audi | wich ip u want to know |
| 20:58.05 | audi | i retrieve the external ip |
| 20:58.05 | FourierSeries | sifi: I believe, generally, you need to run a command to "turn off" a USB device before connecting. Otherwise you risk damage. USB printer? no biggie. A memory stick - probable data loss ... |
| 20:58.07 | audi | and the local ip |
| 20:58.19 | FourierSeries | sifi: maybe not physical damage .. |
| 20:58.19 | EauTisse | Hi chaps. I have a NIC that shows up in dmesg twice on the same IRQ. What could be causing this ? |
| 20:58.32 | kspath | audi: if your "modem" has an IP it will be 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.0.254 or maybe a 10.*.*.1 IP |
| 20:58.45 | FourierSeries | sifi: you'd really have to refer to the manufactures' documentation/website |
| 20:58.45 | sifi | FourierSeries, but confused fs =) |
| 20:58.46 | audi | yes 168.0.1 |
| 20:58.48 | audi | the external |
| 20:59.05 | kspath | audi: external? |
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| 20:59.12 | audi | yes there is: |
| 20:59.19 | audi | external ip: 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:59.20 | audi | and |
| 20:59.25 | audi | local ip: 180.*.*.* |
| 20:59.44 | kspath | audi: they both show up on your eth0 interface? |
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| 21:00.13 | audi | what you mean? |
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| 21:00.17 | cahoot | EauTisse: check /proc/interrupts |
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| 21:00.45 | xevious | does the gpl libflash mozilla plugin work? |
| 21:00.47 | kspath | audi: I am sorry I am too weak minded to assist you properly |
| 21:00.47 | xevious | more specifically, work well |
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| 21:01.31 | ma3x | kspath, no, I don't have a proxy set |
| 21:01.38 | ribnitz | what do I need to be able to do volume normalisation in k3b? |
| 21:01.43 | ma3x | kspath, I don't know why, but it's redirecing me to 'statistic' |
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| 21:02.00 | ma3x | kspath, it says in firefox " looking up statistic" |
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| 21:02.10 | audi | kspath i read about people that need doing ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 on debian, what you think? |
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| 21:02.30 | audi | without it they have the same problem as the mine, is this possible? |
| 21:02.44 | sifi | FourierSeries, another stupid question =), how can I use ssh to my NAT server? I im using ssh x@192.168.X.X It sends me back, I have to use "my_ip=$(lynx --dump http://whatismyip.org); echo $my_ip" ssh x@$my_ip, but what about if internet is down? |
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| 21:03.00 | FourierSeries | oops... I'm back ... |
| 21:03.10 | faked | I have a problem with vim, a few weeks ago, I could read gz-text-files (zipped with gzip), but at the moment it doesn't work. Is this a configuration-problem? |
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| 21:04.13 | sifi | FourierSeries, do you have a clue how I connect to my NAT server? |
| 21:04.15 | Otis | In /etc/modules I have added the following line : "ne io=0x300 irq=4" but my NIC appears on both IRQ 4 & 5 |
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| 21:04.35 | FourierSeries | sifi: So ... Ok. hold on ... let's see if I understand ... |
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| 21:04.43 | sifi | FourierSeries, =) |
| 21:04.52 | `BR` | anyone running Cyrux21 and has sieve scripting working? |
| 21:04.59 | kspath | ma3x: I have seen looking up hostname do not member looking up statistic unless that is the host that it is trying to go to based on something on your machine(s)/network(s) |
| 21:05.03 | `BR` | I can't seem to get it working here... ;( |
| 21:05.03 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:05.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 21:05.32 | mooed | lol |
| 21:05.32 | Otis | baaah |
| 21:05.39 | Otis | *eep* *eep* |
| 21:05.43 | FourierSeries | sifi: you want to ssh to your nat box which is 192.168.(whatever) but you can only do it by sshing to (outside ip address which is not 192.168.(whatever)) ? |
| 21:05.47 | sifi | FourierSeries, My external interface (or eth0) have 85.165.35.121, I must use ssh USER@85.165.35.121 everytime I want to ssh my NAT server |
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| 21:05.54 | kspath | audi: your machine is only on one network? the dsl modem? |
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| 21:06.08 | audi | yes kspath |
| 21:06.11 | audi | the problem i think it's this |
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| 21:06.28 | audi | my modem is originally a router, but they modified it with a firmware blocking the router functions |
| 21:06.30 | kspath | oh great interbusiness.it |
| 21:06.32 | FourierSeries | sifi: check the sshd.conf file. Is it set to listen on "192.168.(whatever)?) |
| 21:06.32 | audi | so now it's a modem ethernet |
| 21:06.41 | sifi | FourierSeries, but what about if internet is down, is it then impossble to ssh the NAT server (it is locally after all) |
| 21:06.41 | audi | you understand what i mean? |
| 21:06.50 | xevious | to add non-free contrib in sources.lst should it be on deb testing main, deb-src testing main, and deb testing/updates main? |
| 21:06.53 | xevious | or just one of those? |
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| 21:07.11 | sifi | FourierSeries, have you ever ssh:ed a NAT server? |
| 21:07.18 | FourierSeries | sifi: 85.165... is not a local address, what is the local address? 192.168... |
| 21:07.32 | ma3x | kspath, yeah, but why is it trying to go for statistic? |
| 21:07.35 | FourierSeries | sifi: yes, all the time, to my FW, email servers , etc ... |
| 21:07.39 | ma3x | kspath, any hostname redirects me to statistic! |
| 21:07.43 | kspath | audi: there is a straight thru cat5 cable from your only eth port on your computer to your ethernet port on the dsl modem? |
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| 21:08.12 | FourierSeries | sifi: and my FW is set to Nat, it functions as a gateway in effect ... |
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| 21:08.46 | sifi | FourierSeries, well as I said, If I do ssh USER@192.168.34.123 I'm just sended back because that is the address to myself |
| 21:08.49 | kuda | I all -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=393828 help me with this? |
| 21:09.13 | resiak | !tell `BR` -about anyone use |
| 21:09.14 | netcatc | hello all, |
| 21:09.19 | sifi | FourierSeries, so what am one suppose to do |
| 21:09.25 | kspath | ma3x: could be a proxy/firewall could be DNS based security could be a service level redirection/security several possibilites |
| 21:09.27 | ribnitz | hiyas all |
| 21:09.28 | FourierSeries | sifi: Ok. get on the Nat box, however you can, and do an "ifconfig" |
| 21:09.42 | FourierSeries | sifi: what addresses does the Nat box have? |
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| 21:10.05 | ribnitz | When converting back to wav, is it better to take an ogg track or an mp3 track if they use the same bitrate? |
| 21:10.09 | FourierSeries | sifi: ( you can tell by using ifconfig ... ) |
| 21:10.19 | audi | wait kspath, i try a thing |
| 21:10.23 | sifi | 85.165.35.121 (eth0), 192.168.34.123 (eth1) |
| 21:10.24 | Eulex | !anyone use cyrus |
| 21:10.24 | bsims | Ok I have an external USB hd with a rsync of / excluding /proc/ /tmp/ /mnt/ /sys/ and /dev/. included in this a backup listing of every package installed does this sound good enough for backing up a workstation |
| 21:10.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses cyrus, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:10.30 | sifi | FourierSeries, I know |
| 21:10.35 | kspath | audi: it is still a router or a bridge apparently with DHCP they only blocked users from modifying the router configs |
| 21:10.37 | ma3x | kspath, but when im under windows its no problems, and now its doing this? why? I have motorolla cable modem |
| 21:10.49 | resiak | `BR`: Why not just ASK YOUR QUESTION? |
| 21:10.52 | xevious | so where do i get the flashplugin-nonfree package? i just added non-free contrib to the end of my sources list |
| 21:10.56 | FourierSeries | sifi: Ok, and you ssh to 192.168.34.123 and it bounces? |
| 21:11.04 | xevious | aptitude doesnt see it |
| 21:11.08 | xevious | (i'm using etch) |
| 21:11.09 | sifi | FourierSeries, yes |
| 21:11.15 | netcatc | someone Can I help with sysv-rc-config, I want create one file to be executed for sysv-rc-config |
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| 21:11.17 | `BR` | resiak: I kinda already did, but for the people that need it more clearly... |
| 21:11.27 | sifi | FourierSeries, thats logic, but I want to ssh the server |
| 21:11.37 | ribnitz | sifi: have you tried with -v (verbose)? |
| 21:11.37 | `BR` | I can't get Cyrus' sieve scripting working and need some help debugging it... |
| 21:11.41 | `BR` | resiak: more clear for you and the other than need it? |
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| 21:11.52 | resiak | `BR`: I don't use Cyrus. /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:12.03 | resiak | `BR`: And is there no #cyrus that could be more helpful? |
| 21:12.06 | darren | hi, is it possible to upgrade my debian kernel using apt-get? |
| 21:12.10 | kspath | ma3x: maybe your windows is using netbios not sure sorry too many possibilities I am out of hot coffee and freezing I would need to know tons of specifics about your installation in order to tell you with a fair chance of being right |
| 21:12.11 | `BR` | resiak: that I am already aware of else I am sure you would be more helpful. |
| 21:12.12 | bsims | darren: sure |
| 21:12.16 | ribnitz | darren: yes. |
| 21:12.19 | FourierSeries | sifi: hopefully this is because the sshd is set to listen on the external IP only. an you try adding the 192.168... to the conf file ? |
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| 21:12.43 | `BR` | resiak: #cyrus is idle... so no, they where the first place I tried after a long web trawl. |
| 21:12.47 | Otis | In /etc/modules I have added the following line : "ne io=0x300 irq=4" but my NIC appears on both IRQ 4 & 5 |
| 21:12.49 | sifi | FourierSeries, no |
| 21:12.58 | Otis | any ideas what could be causing that ? |
| 21:13.03 | bsims | another thing to check is where your router is sending incoming signals |
| 21:13.07 | darren | i tried apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.14-4-386, but it can't find the package |
| 21:13.11 | resiak | `BR`: If you don't get an answer here or there, you could try a mailing list. |
| 21:13.19 | sifi | FourierSeries, how should that look? to /etc/ssh/? |
| 21:13.20 | Otis | one clue is in dmesg ... same IRQ 4 shows up twice |
| 21:13.23 | resiak | darren: apt-cache search --names-only linux-image |
| 21:13.26 | bsims | darren: try linux-image |
| 21:13.37 | xevious | flashplugin-nonfree isn't in testing? |
| 21:13.43 | `BR` | resiak: yes. thanks for your very helpful sugestions... I'm sure I didn't think of them first. |
| 21:13.43 | FourierSeries | sifi: lemmie vgrep my conf file ... one moment ... |
| 21:13.56 | sifi | FourierSeries, sure |
| 21:14.01 | botsy | no ... |
| 21:14.42 | botsy | why bot-like ? |
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| 21:14.42 | bsims | abrotman: work sucks |
| 21:14.43 | resiak | `BR`: It can't help that you have an irritating nick that starts with a character people have to stretch to reach... :) |
| 21:14.43 | abrotman | bsims: no shit .. you're telling me ... |
| 21:14.43 | botsy | sorry i test connection sorry for connect /disconnect |
| 21:14.43 | abrotman | bsims: i should paste a query for you :) |
| 21:15.01 | `BR` | resiak: not my first choice, unfortunatly this network has lameass nickserv and I needed a registered one to talk in some chans (all?) |
| 21:15.18 | abrotman | `BR`: not for this channel .. but for some yes |
| 21:15.19 | FourierSeries | sifi: look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and see if there is a "ListenAddress" line |
| 21:15.29 | bsims | abrotman: heh I edited my backup script... it now auto-mounts the usb drive, does a rsync. makes a copy of what dpkg thinks is installed, and then unmounts the drive |
| 21:15.47 | resiak | `BR`: There are loads and loads of nicks you could claim which start with an alphabetical character. |
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| 21:15.53 | abrotman | bsims: you're creepy! |
| 21:15.54 | mooed | something like ksnapshot but under gnome? |
| 21:16.00 | sifi | FourierSeries, it's not there |
| 21:16.08 | bsims | abrotman: why is that creepy |
| 21:16.12 | kspath | audi: what does arp -a say? |
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| 21:16.31 | sifi | FourierSeries, on the server or the client? |
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| 21:16.49 | FourierSeries | sifi: the server .. that is to say the box you are trying to SSH to. |
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| 21:17.11 | bsims | hrm how would I shoehorn a copy of lilo onto my usb drive... |
| 21:17.15 | FourierSeries | sifi: unless you mean you are having a problem ssh out thru your nat box ... |
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| 21:17.27 | xevious | should i install flash from flash.com or use the GPL libflash plugin? |
| 21:17.36 | kspath | audi: if your ethernet is working ok between your computer and your dsl modem(router) it shoudl be listed in your machines arp table arp -a should show any/all other machines your machines ether can see |
| 21:17.36 | bsims | how pure do ya wanna be |
| 21:17.51 | xevious | i just want it to work |
| 21:17.53 | xevious | well |
| 21:17.55 | `BR` | resiak: when you have had these two letters in your nick for as long as I have... |
| 21:18.02 | `BR` | resiak: change is hard, |
| 21:18.05 | sifi | FourierSeries, well it's not there either |
| 21:18.08 | bsims | I use the flash one but installed it system wide |
| 21:18.09 | kspath | audi: of course ok is relative maybe just well enough for ether but not TCP/IP |
| 21:18.16 | resiak | `BR`: 21:18 [freenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- The nickname [BR`] is not registered |
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| 21:18.58 | FourierSeries | sifi: I may be misunderstanding ... you are having trouble sshing to you NAT box? Or you are having trouble ssh to anything outside of your nat box? |
| 21:19.01 | SimonRaven | er, those are the *only* letters in your nick ;) |
| 21:19.09 | bsims | abrotman: again why is having it mount itself, do the sync and then umount creepy? |
| 21:19.09 | blondie | BR... British Rail |
| 21:19.12 | ribnitz | bsims: More pure is more better. But there are less pure approaches it is hard to get around. |
| 21:19.13 | kspath | audi: that is also assuming the other machines are not sleeping or powered off |
| 21:19.13 | `BR` | blondie: blah ;P |
| 21:19.27 | resiak | SimonRaven: But `BR` does have them _in_ their nick. :) |
| 21:19.29 | sifi | FourierSeries, so I just have to add ListenAddress 192.168.34.123 and restart the ssh daemon |
| 21:19.35 | `BR` | blondie: heh |
| 21:19.44 | FourierSeries | sifi: *wait!* |
| 21:19.50 | sifi | FourierSeries, to ssh my NAT box |
| 21:19.53 | `BR` | blondie: mmm ukc :) |
| 21:19.56 | SimonRaven | *doink* |
| 21:19.59 | blondie | o.o |
| 21:20.08 | `BR` | blondie: QMUL.ac.uk here... |
| 21:20.13 | blondie | hmm |
| 21:20.15 | FourierSeries | sifi: I would, for now, do a ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 and try that. |
| 21:20.33 | xevious | does debian have a default location for browser plugins? |
| 21:20.53 | sifi | FourierSeries, is it secure? |
| 21:20.58 | FourierSeries | sifi: If that does not work then the 192.168... adress is being masked by something an the "Listen" stuff will not work. |
| 21:21.00 | blondie | `BR`: not a student though :) |
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| 21:21.20 | Tortel | hmm, gksu isnt working right |
| 21:21.26 | FourierSeries | sifi: try it as a temporary test. |
| 21:21.36 | kspath | sifi: if you telnet to port 22 of 192.168.34.134 what happens? |
| 21:21.44 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 21:21.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 21:22.18 | Tortel | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1323 <=-Ideas on why thats coming up/how to fix? |
| 21:22.23 | kspath | sifi: if you telnet to port 22 of 192.168.34.123 what happens? sorry |
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| 21:22.50 | sifi | FourierSeries, it didn |
| 21:22.58 | sifi | FourierSeries, didn't success |
| 21:23.09 | `BR` | blondie: same here |
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| 21:23.13 | kspath | sifi: firewall? tcp wrappers? |
| 21:23.16 | FourierSeries | sifi: try kspath's test - telnet to port 22 on 192.168.34.123 |
| 21:23.31 | tibia | suck my dick all lol |
| 21:23.32 | kspath | sifi: telnet 192.168.34.123 22 |
| 21:23.38 | sifi | w |
| 21:23.41 | bsims | !smite tibia |
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| 21:24.10 | Eulex | yeah!!! ÅÄÖáì¤ñ |
| 21:24.34 | Eulex | oh, though you were taling about the mmorpg... |
| 21:24.35 | sifi | kspath, FourierSeries telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 21:24.46 | FourierSeries | kspath: aha? |
| 21:24.53 | sifi | w |
| 21:24.59 | sifi | I missed 22 |
| 21:25.15 | kspath | sifi: I am guessing either you are not in 192.168.34 network or firewall |
| 21:25.16 | FourierSeries | sifi: try again w the 22 |
| 21:25.19 | abrotman | oh .. he left |
| 21:25.47 | kspath | sifi: you should get a different error if tcp wrappers is blocking you |
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| 21:25.59 | sifi | FourierSeries, kspath Trying 192.168.2.242...<nl>Connected to 192.168.2.242.<nl>Escape character is '^]'.<nl>SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 21:26.04 | sifi | then it hangs up |
| 21:26.28 | FourierSeries | sifi: er ... what is *your* ip address? |
| 21:26.42 | FourierSeries | sifi: that is the box you are sshing from ... |
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| 21:27.36 | sifi | FourierSeries, I switch between 2 boxex, but one is 192.168.2.242 |
| 21:27.46 | blondie | ERROR |
| 21:27.55 | blondie | you said that's what you are connecting TO? |
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| 21:28.19 | FourierSeries | sifi: Ok. the box you are sshing from is "192.168.2.242" and the box you are sshing TO is 192.168.34... |
| 21:28.39 | kspath | good question |
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| 21:29.25 | sifi | FourierSeries, client 192.168.2.242 SSH server 85.165.35.121 |
| 21:29.31 | kspath | 192.168.0.0 255.255.0.0 or there is a router that is ok with both IPs |
| 21:29.54 | [Bart] | hi, somebody aware of a new trojan or alike for PHP/Apache? It seems that my machine was hit by that |
| 21:29.57 | abrotman | can greycat come back now ? |
| 21:30.03 | kspath | sifi: where did you get the 192.168.34.123 IP from? |
| 21:30.12 | abrotman | [Bart]: probably better to ask #php or #apache .. and give them lots of details if you have them |
| 21:30.14 | FourierSeries | kspath: well ... he seems to be able to reach it via telnet ... hmmm ... |
| 21:30.14 | Ronin | abrotman: up to him i suspect |
| 21:30.15 | sifi | kspath, I made it up |
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| 21:30.23 | resiak | abrotman: No. |
| 21:30.26 | kspath | sifi: ummmm.... |
| 21:30.28 | blondie | sifi are you suffering from PEBKAC? |
| 21:30.30 | [Bart] | abrotman : I will try, tnx |
| 21:30.32 | blondie | :) |
| 21:30.32 | abrotman | i'd like some ass-kicking to happen here |
| 21:30.42 | blondie | abrotman: that's cruelty to animals |
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| 21:30.51 | kspath | sifi: sorry I assumed it was a real IP in terms of helping you |
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| 21:31.06 | sifi | kspath, but the test was done on the correct IP |
| 21:31.11 | audi | kspath, are you here? |
| 21:31.14 | xp____ | I did apt-get install luma and it is erroring out on Removing kdebluetooth dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to, how do I fix this? |
| 21:31.19 | berzerka | hello guys. if i have an x server running on a remote machine, and there is a local x app already running, and i log in via ssh with x forwarding, is there some way to get the client transferred to my xserver? like suspending the process, resetting DISPLAY and fging it? |
| 21:31.21 | FourierSeries | kspath: If i understand, he wants to SSH to the internal IP of the nat box - but it seems to be pushing him thru to the external IP of the nat box |
| 21:31.30 | audi | lol, all needs kspath |
| 21:31.53 | affe | berzerka: you could allways use vnc |
| 21:32.11 | kspath | sifi: do you have a 2nd IP on that 85.* IP box? |
| 21:32.11 | audi | kspath, when you are free, tell me please |
| 21:32.15 | FourierSeries | kspath: , sifi: port forwarding on the internal IP of the nat box? |
| 21:32.27 | Estes2 | How can I include an iptables file from my main one ? |
| 21:32.32 | berzerka | affe: never tried that.. i think i will. |
| 21:32.44 | jjazz | berzerka, freenx does what you want... you can suspend an app on one box and then pick it up on another. |
| 21:32.45 | Estes2 | like, how to include an sh file from an other one... |
| 21:32.50 | kspath | FourerSeries: I am guessing netmask assumes that it must go to gateway |
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| 21:32.57 | sifi | kspath, no, just another 192... |
| 21:33.06 | berzerka | jjazz: thanks |
| 21:33.18 | jjazz | berzerka, np |
| 21:33.25 | kspath | 192.168.*.* is an IP just not internet routable |
| 21:33.28 | FourierSeries | kspath: works for me |
| 21:33.37 | audi | damn he know all |
| 21:33.56 | FourierSeries | kspath: er that idea works for me .. ( thinking on how to get around it ) |
| 21:34.06 | sifi | I grab this later thx anyway FourierSeries kspath! |
| 21:34.11 | kspath | audi: what are the specific 192.168.*.* IPs and netmasks on each machine? |
| 21:34.16 | FourierSeries | oh well. |
| 21:34.27 | audi | 192.168.0.1? |
| 21:34.34 | FourierSeries | Estes2: Hi |
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| 21:34.49 | audi | you mean the external ip? |
| 21:34.53 | Estes2 | Hi FourierSeries |
| 21:35.01 | Papageno | I installed jdk1.5 update 6 using java-package. java -version works and all. I exported JDK_HOME and I tried running IntelliJ IDEA but it gives me a NoClassDefFoundError when I try and run idea.sh. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 21:35.29 | kspath | audi: 192.168.0.1 is the most common router IP for dsl modem/router and cable modem/router as far as I know |
| 21:35.30 | FourierSeries | Estes2: as far as the IPTABLES fw think I am able to do this like so: ". /path/to/include/filename" |
| 21:35.39 | FourierSeries | Estes2: note the dot "." |
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| 21:36.08 | kspath | audi: as long as that router assigned your machine a 192.168.0.* IP and the netmask and dns are ok it shoudl work |
| 21:36.19 | Estes2 | FourierSeries, well, there is the "source statement" |
| 21:36.22 | FourierSeries | Estes2: this will execute the commands in "/path/to/include/filename" |
| 21:36.28 | Estes2 | FourierSeries, just got this answer from #bash |
| 21:36.35 | kspath | audi: assigned via DHCP |
| 21:36.36 | berzerka | affe: how do i start the vnc server and client? |
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| 21:37.06 | bhundven | kspath: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1918.html |
| 21:37.07 | kspath | audi: using ifconfig -a should show your IP for your eth0 |
| 21:37.20 | john_doe | how do I make htaccess work on apache2 on debian? I guess I miss loading the right module. |
| 21:37.21 | audi | kspath i find a solution |
| 21:37.25 | audi | but now i need your help |
| 21:37.41 | john_doe | I know it's pretty off-topic |
| 21:37.46 | kspath | bhundven: yah they will learn more from guides/docs/man pages/FAQs |
| 21:37.51 | Estes2 | FourierSeries, thanks though |
| 21:37.53 | Estes2 | :) |
| 21:38.00 | FourierSeries | Estes2: welcome ... |
| 21:38.08 | audi | doing poff, ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 and then pon dsl-provider it works, how can i do this commands all the times i boot the computer?! |
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| 21:38.52 | kspath | audi: and it to a start script but you should not have to do so |
| 21:38.59 | kspath | audi: add it to a start script but you should not have to do so |
| 21:39.10 | audi | hm |
| 21:39.28 | audi | someone said to add it on etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:39.30 | kspath | audi: if DHCP is working right it should just work |
| 21:39.31 | audi | what you think? |
| 21:39.32 | TNKS | hi. if there was a response to a previous post of mine, I missed it and it scrolled off my buffer. |
| 21:39.42 | audi | and why i need doing this then? |
| 21:39.45 | TNKS | just asking again. |
| 21:39.50 | TNKS | hi all. There seems to be two mime database, mailcap and Freedesktop's shared-mime-info. Are Debian packages typically beter at updating both databases? |
| 21:39.58 | affe | berzerka: vnc --help |
| 21:40.12 | berzerka | affe: thx ;) |
| 21:40.36 | kspath | audi: if a static IP works than do that but you will have to set up your DNS IPs in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hostname |
| 21:40.56 | audi | ok |
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| 21:41.17 | audi | but i don't understand a thing: what's 192.168.1.2? |
| 21:41.20 | audi | why i need this? |
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| 21:41.21 | Hooke | hi |
| 21:41.27 | kspath | audi: that is why providers love DHCP takes that whole mess out of the picture as far as support and most users are happier and tech support costs stay lower |
| 21:41.35 | audi | i also read doing ifconfig eth0 up it also works. |
| 21:41.50 | typewriter | I have apache2 installed, everytime i want to apt-get something, it's trying to install dependencys for apache (1.3) on my other debian system it knows i have apache2 installed and just uses apache2 packages... |
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| 21:41.58 | audi | lol |
| 21:41.59 | typewriter | how can make this new system know im using apache2? |
| 21:42.07 | kspath | audi: if it isnt up it is not going to work |
| 21:42.11 | SlammerXP | typewriter: write it a letter |
| 21:42.36 | kspath | audi: I assumed your auto-config you talked about was using DHCP perhaps I was assuming WRONG |
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| 21:42.39 | audi | infact at the start it doesn't work if i do a simple ping, then doing poff and the other commands it works |
| 21:42.56 | audi | the autoconf of dhcp that the system do sux then :P |
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| 21:43.13 | phyberoptix | you know what else sux |
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| 21:43.24 | phyberoptix | a tiptronic tranny in a A4 |
| 21:43.24 | kspath | audi: I do not know to each their own |
| 21:43.47 | danieldg | When I enable translucency/shadows in KDE, the display updates much slower, even for windows at 100% opaque - is there some way to speed it up? I'm using Xorg+nvidia binary kernel module |
| 21:43.58 | audi | anyway, i go try doing something, i think it's the modem that sux. |
| 21:44.00 | mooed | typewriter, i think u can solve that in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 21:44.07 | kspath | audi: things just work for me I do not know all the things that exist in the world and how to support them |
| 21:44.10 | audi | it's a router but with a modified firmware modified by telecom. |
| 21:44.20 | audi | i know kspath, you have reason. |
| 21:44.52 | audi | kspath, wich distribution do you use? |
| 21:44.56 | audi | slackware? |
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| 21:45.28 | kspath | audi: debian, ubuntu, xandros, and deadrat and centos and FBSD and OBSD and Solaris |
| 21:45.34 | audi | lol |
| 21:45.44 | audi | no more please :P |
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| 21:46.00 | audi | what about ubuntu? |
| 21:46.08 | kspath | audi: ? |
| 21:46.20 | abrotman | noone uses solaris .. :) |
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| 21:46.31 | audi | is it a great distribution? |
| 21:46.33 | kspath | abrotman: solaris uses them? |
| 21:46.36 | audi | hard, or easy? :P |
| 21:46.40 | blondie | abrotman: of course not :P |
| 21:46.47 | kspath | audi: it is what it is |
| 21:46.58 | audi | damn you seem to be a guru :P |
| 21:47.04 | abrotman | what is SunOS to now ? 5.10 ? |
| 21:47.25 | audi | ok, i haven't much time, and don't want to make you lose time with me, so i go :P see you and thanks. |
| 21:47.29 | blondie | 10 ys |
| 21:47.31 | blondie | +e |
| 21:47.32 | kspath | audi: it is good for average joe that just wants most things to work quickly but debian is great for most people that want to know |
| 21:47.43 | abrotman | i realize solaris is up to 10 .. but is SunOS called 5.10 ?> |
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| 21:48.03 | audi | 10:45 hours im trying making debian works :P |
| 21:48.04 | blondie | well |
| 21:48.06 | abrotman | (following the scheme of Solaris7 being SunOS 5.7 etc) |
| 21:48.07 | audi | see ya |
| 21:48.18 | kspath | abrotman: I kinda stopped apying attention with 2.7 and the 32bit/64bit issues |
| 21:48.28 | abrotman | Sol8 was a bleeding mess |
| 21:48.31 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
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| 21:48.57 | abrotman | Sol7 was the last i used a lot of |
| 21:49.19 | kspath | 2.7=7 2.8=8 |
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| 21:49.35 | abrotman | no .. those are solaris numbers .. not SunOS numbers |
| 21:49.39 | kspath | I kept my servers at 2.6 long after 8 was out |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | Sol7 was 2.7 .. and also SunOS 5.7 |
| 21:50.01 | abrotman | stupid version numbers :) |
| 21:50.10 | kspath | sorry I did not use BSD SunOS I was in FBSD world then |
| 21:50.19 | abrotman | what? |
| 21:50.24 | r0tu | USB Mouse issue: My mouse works fine if it's plugged in and I boot up. The problem is when I unplug my mouse and re-plug it in, it doesn't work.. how do I re-enable it? |
| 21:50.32 | abrotman | it was the same for Solaris2.6 .. was SunOS5.6 IIRC |
| 21:50.38 | Hooke | hi, I'm trying to burn a cd but gnome-baker wont cooperate :P could someone help? thnks |
| 21:50.46 | abrotman | r0tu: modprobe mousedev ? |
| 21:50.54 | kspath | I was refering to naming scheme regarding SunOS |
| 21:51.10 | abrotman | i just told you .. Sol2.6 was SunOS5.6 i'm pretty sure |
| 21:51.14 | kspath | therefore I did not pay attention to it |
| 21:51.37 | r0tu | abrotman: FATAL: Module mousedev not found |
| 21:51.41 | abrotman | kspath: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/solaris/versions/ |
| 21:51.49 | abrotman | r0tu: usbmouse ? |
| 21:51.51 | kspath | abrotman I think you are right just explaining my ignorance my ignorance is quite abundant if you did not notice already |
| 21:51.57 | abrotman | kspath: see what i mean ? |
| 21:52.03 | abrotman | kspath: i just figured you were drunk again :) |
| 21:52.09 | r0tu | here iss my /var/log/message ----> stinky kernel: usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 21:52.24 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 21:52.24 | dpkg | i heard usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 21:52.43 | kspath | abrotman: know just tired/cold/unemployed/depressed and out of hot coffee /me runs screaming from internet |
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| 21:53.08 | abrotman | kspath: stop living in maine ? |
| 21:53.47 | r0tu | abrotman: not working... I shouldn't have to install anything, as it works on bootup |
| 21:54.09 | abrotman | r0tu: you might have to re-start the mouse modules ... |
| 21:54.40 | abrotman | r0tu: or install some sort of usb module manager |
| 21:55.44 | r0tu | abrotman: yeah.. it just wanted to remove usbmount and usbdev when I tried to install usbmgr.. I am going to play around a bit.. thanks though |
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| 21:56.12 | abrotman | !usb-mouse |
| 21:56.16 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 21:56.16 | dpkg | usb mouse is, like, "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
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| 21:57.01 | FourierSeries | !house mice |
| 21:57.12 | FourierSeries | durn |
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| 21:58.26 | sussudio | ... |
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| 22:00.10 | r0tu | FourierSeries: didn't you order pizza last night in lieu of a browser discusion?! |
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| 22:00.45 | kspath | abrotman: I never have been to maine |
| 22:00.49 | abrotman | WHAT?! |
| 22:00.51 | abrotman | loser |
| 22:00.53 | FourierSeries | r0tu: last night it was pizza & beer. Tonight it is pizza and, uh, more pizza... |
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| 22:01.27 | r0tu | FourierSeries: lol, my mistake |
| 22:01.34 | abrotman | FourierSeries: may i recommend you drive to the philly area and get Peace-A-Pizza! |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | chicken BBQ is quite good! |
| 22:01.49 | kspath | abrotman: I am a midwesterner |
| 22:02.00 | abrotman | kspath: i'm sorry .. i didn't mean it like that :) |
| 22:02.07 | FlopsyPete | how do I get courier-imap to ask me the questions it asked on installation? dpkg-reconfigure just stops and starts it. |
| 22:02.07 | abrotman | kspath: wait .. are you the CVS person ? |
| 22:02.17 | FourierSeries | abrotman: well ... only an hour and 45 mins down the expressway ... hmmm ... |
| 22:02.21 | kspath | abrotman: to us the east and west coasts are kind of full of themselves |
| 22:02.22 | abrotman | FourierSeries: down? |
| 22:02.27 | r0tu | May I suggest you drink scope for now?! |
| 22:02.39 | abrotman | FourierSeries: eww .. you live in jersey ? |
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| 22:02.42 | pipeline | FourierSeries: Used to be, pizza places would deliver beer. |
| 22:02.54 | FourierSeries | abrotman: or up as the case may be ... Sin city here ( AC nj ) |
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| 22:03.01 | kspath | abrotman: cvs rcs subversion whatever happened to sccs ? |
| 22:03.10 | fbi | in soviet russia, sussudio delivers badgers |
| 22:03.16 | sebastia1 | audacity uses incredibly small and ugly fonts on my system. I guess I should install more fonts, but how do I find out what font package I should install? |
| 22:03.38 | pipeline | sebastia1: Make sure you have non-free |
| 22:03.48 | abrotman | FourierSeries: my dad used to live there .. worked at the hospital |
| 22:03.53 | sebastia1 | pipeline: I'd rather avoid non-free |
| 22:04.00 | pipeline | kspath: sccs sucked ass and was hard to get ahold of. rcs is as close as you're going to get. |
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| 22:04.05 | abrotman | kspath: no .. i mean .. did you ever ask questions in here before .. like a long time ago ? |
| 22:04.06 | pipeline | sebastia1: The only "Free" fonts are the bitstream vera series. |
| 22:04.11 | pipeline | sebastia1: Have fun with your three fonts. |
| 22:04.53 | FourierSeries | abrotman: Hospital? they hireing? |
| 22:05.01 | FourierSeries | ( for IT work ... ) |
| 22:05.07 | abrotman | FourierSeries: he's a doctor .. no idea about comptuers |
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| 22:05.14 | r0tu | FourierSeries: How dare you consider leaving us.. .alone at our keyboards... no love :'( |
| 22:05.23 | kspath | abrotman: maybe I do not usually ask questions in irc I was experienced with channel #unix long long ago those who asked questions were kicked so I tried to be the answer man with my own collection of reference books |
| 22:05.27 | abrotman | err no idea about IT |
| 22:05.28 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 22:05.30 | fbi | i doubt they would hire someone who can't spell "hiring" |
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| 22:05.45 | r0tu | fbi: Hahaha |
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| 22:05.55 | abrotman | kspath: no .. there was a guy .. i thought your nick looked familiar .. from the midwest .. worked on cvs books or something |
| 22:06.06 | FourierSeries | fbi: no tech I ever met could spell worth a dam .. |
| 22:06.12 | kspath | abrotman: now everyone is an automatic expert with google on hand |
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| 22:06.23 | abrotman | kspath: oh .. you'd be surprised :) |
| 22:06.25 | r0tu | FourierSeries: I blame spellcheck |
| 22:06.33 | abrotman | kspath: i used to spend time in WI |
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| 22:07.06 | kspath | abrotman: I have been to WI |
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| 22:07.29 | abrotman | kspath: it was near Stevens point |
| 22:07.32 | r0tu | FourierSeries: better yet... lets blame society for our own short-commings... it's the latest fad |
| 22:07.39 | FourierSeries | lol! |
| 22:07.40 | kspath | abrotman: I am mostly a Illinois, Iowa, Texas person |
| 22:07.41 | blondie | abrotman: erm yes 5.10 |
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| 22:07.59 | abrotman | blondie: you've been looking that long ? |
| 22:08.09 | FourierSeries | Ok, that's it! I'm off to hit a resturant ... laters all! |
| 22:08.16 | blondie | I had to locate power, network and serial cables ;) |
| 22:08.16 | abrotman | i blame r0tu for intermittent apostrophes |
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| 22:08.19 | kspath | abrotman: I have only heard of stevens point because my former employer had a site there with staff |
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| 22:08.26 | r0tu | FourierSeries: laters |
| 22:08.32 | abrotman | kspath: ah .. was it that shoe/sports companyt? |
| 22:08.35 | junix|work | anyone know when clamav will be fixed and thronw back into unstable...? |
| 22:08.46 | junix|work | or know who the maintainer is? |
| 22:08.50 | kspath | abrotman: bzzt no an ISP/telco |
| 22:08.57 | abrotman | kspath: woodco.com! |
| 22:08.59 | r0tu | abrotman: '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' |
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| 22:09.17 | fbi | !maint clamav-data |
| 22:09.19 | dpkg | clamav-data: Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de> |
| 22:09.49 | kspath | abrotman: not familiar with woodco.com though there were in the past several wood processing companies in various parts of WI |
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| 22:10.05 | abrotman | kspath: duh .. the whole WI river is dammed :) |
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| 22:10.22 | abrotman | yonkeltron: do you have your dradel!?!?! |
| 22:10.38 | abrotman | OOOOOOOOOOHHHHH .. dradel dradel dradel .. i made you out of clay ... |
| 22:10.40 | kspath | abrotman: many companies have gone out of business |
| 22:10.48 | abrotman | kspath: i know . it's sad .. but it's a nice area |
| 22:11.13 | pipeline | dreidel dreidel dreidel, I made you out of clay... |
| 22:11.15 | pipeline | BEST GAME EVER |
| 22:11.17 | kspath | abrotman: WI was covered in huge forests 4-6 decades ago |
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| 22:11.26 | abrotman | pipeline: too bad i can't spell .. |
| 22:11.35 | abrotman | kspath: that's where my family is from |
| 22:11.42 | pipeline | kspath: 4-6, 10-20, whatever. |
| 22:11.43 | kspath | abrotman: things changes rivers change course |
| 22:11.52 | pipeline | kspath: There haven't been huge forests in WI for a looooong time. |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | pipeline: in the north they still exist |
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| 22:12.10 | yonkeltron | abrotman: shit yeah! i am ready to bounce, skate, roll and spin! |
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| 22:12.30 | kspath | pipeline: depends on definition of huge forests relative to what is now they were huge |
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| 22:13.22 | sebastia1 | How can I record midi from an external keyboard? |
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| 22:13.40 | abrotman | ask booger and wormser! |
| 22:14.09 | fbi | abrotman: i bet you could relate to that movie, couldn't you. |
| 22:14.19 | abrotman | fbi: only with an umbrella hat |
| 22:14.23 | fbi | hah |
| 22:14.28 | fbi | i wanna borrow that sometime |
| 22:14.34 | fbi | and wear it while bartending |
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| 22:14.51 | abrotman | fbi: i can send it to you :) |
| 22:15.01 | abrotman | fbi: i was thinking about sending it to DebConf6 |
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| 22:15.12 | pinko | hey, ah, where does apt-get source deposit stuff? |
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| 22:15.16 | abrotman | (though i'm not sure if damog will be going) |
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| 22:15.46 | fbi | abrotman: what month is that during |
| 22:16.06 | unlearn | hello what are some good mirrors for repositories |
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| 22:16.32 | pablo--mvd | hi! how do i configure xserver from console? |
| 22:16.38 | fbi | !drxx pablo--mvd |
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| 22:16.39 | dpkg | pablo--mvd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:16.51 | ribnitz | pablo--mvd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:17.22 | abrotman | fbi: hrm .. june ? |
| 22:17.25 | abrotman | !debconf6 |
| 22:17.25 | dpkg | i guess debconf6 is http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf6 |
| 22:17.53 | abrotman | fbi: it says May |
| 22:17.54 | fbi | i'll probably be back in hawaii by then |
| 22:17.59 | abrotman | bastard! |
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| 22:18.12 | fbi | i'm getting sick of california again and i've only been home for two months |
| 22:18.39 | ribnitz | fbi: no california dreaming? |
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| 22:18.54 | wily | hi all |
| 22:18.58 | fbi | ribnitz: yeah, if you like dreaming about horrible traffic and smog |
| 22:19.00 | abrotman | fbi: move to the philly! |
| 22:19.00 | wily | can anyone help me? |
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| 22:19.07 | Tortel | ok, why am I getting gksu errors with every gnome admin thing> |
| 22:19.07 | Tortel | ? |
| 22:19.08 | fbi | no way dude, philly is way too cold int he winter |
| 22:19.11 | abrotman | wily: not until you describe your problem |
| 22:19.11 | wily | i don't remember a shell command |
| 22:19.15 | ribnitz | wily: nope. |
| 22:19.16 | abrotman | just one? |
| 22:19.45 | wily | this command needs to control dimension of files during dd command |
| 22:19.47 | ribnitz | !metaquestions |
| 22:19.54 | wily | is a double letter command |
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| 22:20.14 | abrotman | wily: bs ? |
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| 22:20.16 | abrotman | man dd ? |
| 22:20.17 | ribnitz | wily: there's a few pf those. Whats it supposed to do? |
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| 22:20.44 | wily | no it's cc gg silimar command |
| 22:20.46 | ribnitz | wc, pr, .. |
| 22:20.47 | abrotman | !wb gravity |
| 22:20.47 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! gravity has returned! |
| 22:20.50 | wily | oh shit |
| 22:20.59 | gravity | Thanks :-) |
| 22:21.17 | ribnitz | wily: whats it supposed to do? |
| 22:21.18 | fbi | gravity: you do realize that you don't exist in space, right |
| 22:21.23 | abrotman | gravity: that's a much better !wb than some other bots i know |
| 22:21.38 | FlopsyPete | how do I get courier-imap to ask me the questions it asked on installation? |
| 22:21.39 | D-fence | my gnome is completly fucked up, any idea to get back icons and file type association ? |
| 22:21.44 | pablo--mvd | how do i restart xserver from console? |
| 22:21.51 | fbi | i guess there is no X windows in space either |
| 22:21.53 | ribnitz | FlopsyPete: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:21.57 | wily | this command display dimension of file during dd iso creating |
| 22:22.01 | gravity | pablo--mvd: kill the server and then run startx? |
| 22:22.05 | FlopsyPete | ribnitz: that just stops and starts it |
| 22:22.17 | gravity | pablo--mvd: Or if you're running a *dm, use init-rc.d yourdm restart |
| 22:22.28 | fbi | FlopsyPete: try purging the package and reinstalling |
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| 22:22.38 | ribnitz | wily: ls -l ? |
| 22:22.46 | wily | no no |
| 22:22.50 | FlopsyPete | fbi: done that and it didn't work |
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| 22:23.00 | wily | when dd is creating an iso image |
| 22:23.10 | wily | (before to use cdrecord....) |
| 22:23.12 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
| 22:23.22 | wily | in another shell i lauched a command |
| 22:23.33 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: did that too but it still doesn't ask |
| 22:23.35 | wily | that displays dimension |
| 22:23.40 | wily | of this iso file |
| 22:23.42 | FlopsyPete | fbi: admittedly, I used clean rather than --purge |
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| 22:23.59 | ribnitz | wily: like 3 cm by 5 cm? |
| 22:24.07 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: clean cleans up .. it doesn't remove conf files |
| 22:24.12 | abrotman | ribnitz: don't talk about his penis like that! |
| 22:24.16 | sebastia2 | How can I record midi from an external keyboard? |
| 22:24.26 | fbi | FlopsyPete: man apt-get, read --purge |
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| 22:24.55 | ribnitz | abrotman: well..er..dimension you know... |
| 22:24.55 | wily | ribnitz, i don't understand |
| 22:25.03 | FlopsyPete | I've tried purging and a subsequent reinstall still didn't ask the questions |
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| 22:25.30 | ribnitz | wily: are you referring to the cd-writing-howto? |
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| 22:26.03 | wily | yes |
| 22:26.08 | ribnitz | Can ffox resume downloads? |
| 22:26.36 | blondie | if you select "pause" it can |
| 22:26.41 | Guerin | ribnitz: why would you use firefox to download files, given a choice? |
| 22:27.10 | wily | thank you |
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| 22:27.25 | ribnitz | Guerin: Well, its easier. And they dont do P2P yet. |
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| 22:27.35 | abrotman | !smack ribnitz |
| 22:27.39 | Guerin | ribnitz: easier than wget -c url? |
| 22:27.49 | abrotman | don't forget the -b if you don't want to watch! |
| 22:28.01 | abrotman | i always use it when my parents are around |
| 22:28.44 | ribnitz | Guerin: 231 MB (of about 500) downloaded. Getting like 20 KBit/s. |
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| 22:29.40 | ribnitz | Guerin: so, would rather prefer not to switch now. |
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| 22:30.32 | D-fence | my nautilus is fucked up, help me |
| 22:30.38 | adii | what are the main steps to perform in order to actia |
| 22:30.46 | adii | *activate a wifi network card |
| 22:30.52 | ribnitz | Guerin: is there some kind of download manager that will survive reboots? |
| 22:30.53 | adii | (and to use it, btw) |
| 22:31.07 | abrotman | D-fence: could you be more vague ? |
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| 22:31.29 | blondie | my computer doesn't work, help |
| 22:31.41 | markybob | sigh. |
| 22:31.48 | ribnitz | abrotman: The fweeping creepers were very loud this morning.. |
| 22:31.56 | markybob | this just in...people in #debian cant read minds |
| 22:31.59 | ribnitz | !doesn't work |
| 22:32.00 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:32.11 | blondie | that was a joke :| |
| 22:32.25 | kspath | I can not read minds but I sometimes finish peoples sentences for them |
| 22:32.33 | D-fence | abrotman: ok, for example, my icon for cdrom is replaced with a simple decktop icon and a name like "CD-ROM%20Drive.Drive" |
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| 22:33.19 | kspath | does nautilus use xml files? |
| 22:33.37 | ribnitz | D-fence: do you have like a small hand in the bottom left corner, or is there a K? |
| 22:33.46 | outlaw84 | how are you suppose to install grub from the knoppix disk? I have try with "grub-install /dev/hda" also with /dev/hda1 it keeps saying that format of install device is not reconized |
| 22:34.17 | ribnitz | outlaw84: -> #knoppix? |
| 22:34.19 | hax | is there any open scheduling/addressbook solution? |
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| 22:34.20 | D-fence | ribnitz: are you talking about kde ? |
| 22:34.28 | Hooke | outlaw84, it's grub-install '(hd0)' |
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| 22:34.36 | meepy | Is Synaptic standard in Debian? |
| 22:34.38 | ribnitz | D-fence: that was gnome or kde.. |
| 22:34.45 | ribnitz | meepy: yes. |
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| 22:34.57 | Guerin | ribnitz: no. |
| 22:34.57 | meepy | ah cool |
| 22:35.02 | D-fence | ribnitz: it's gnome ! |
| 22:35.04 | SerajewelKS | meepy: if by "standard" you mean "is available in" |
| 22:35.10 | meepy | yeah, i do |
| 22:35.13 | ribnitz | meepy: apt-get install synaptic. |
| 22:35.14 | Guerin | meepy: you can install it if you choose, but it's not by default. |
| 22:35.15 | coolermania | who use vmware in Debian? |
| 22:35.20 | SerajewelKS | coolermania: i do |
| 22:35.27 | SerajewelKS | coolermania: but if you have a question, please ask |
| 22:35.29 | Guerin | !anyone use vmware in debian |
| 22:35.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses vmware in debian, not even the people who use it. |
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| 22:36.35 | kspath | hax: evolution? |
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| 22:37.26 | hax | kspath: err, more for a small network than one computer |
| 22:37.43 | outlaw84 | Hooke: I get syntax error |
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| 22:38.00 | ribnitz | hax: horde (web-based), some other web-based. |
| 22:38.04 | Guerin | hax: cron and email |
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| 22:38.14 | devilx | hi |
| 22:38.21 | LightForce | Hello! Could someone help me with booting an install CD on an SGI O2? |
| 22:38.26 | kspath | Guerin: cron at cal email vim ? |
| 22:38.38 | ribnitz | LightForce: doesnt it do it itslef? |
| 22:38.38 | devilx | Is there a package of binutils that includes the Gnue Assembler (as) with m68k support? |
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| 22:38.56 | blondie | gnue? is that like glue? |
| 22:38.57 | Guerin | kspath: more or less |
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| 22:39.08 | devilx | sorry |
| 22:39.09 | devilx | I mean GNU |
| 22:39.11 | LightForce | ribnitz: no, and the instructions in the install manual don't seem to work. |
| 22:39.24 | ma3x | hi, I have cable modem, and its allowing me to connect via USB but when I try to connect via ethernet, I can ping and do stuff, but I can't browse the web. Why/ |
| 22:39.33 | ribnitz | LightForce: I cant afford an SGI, sorry. |
| 22:39.39 | ma3x | btw does my modem have a web interface? |
| 22:39.47 | blondie | ma3x: dunno, does it? |
| 22:39.51 | blondie | how would we know? |
| 22:39.54 | ma3x | blondie dunno |
| 22:40.07 | blondie | why don't you find out |
| 22:40.08 | ribnitz | blondie: port 80 open on that ip. |
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| 22:40.17 | kspath | Guerin: people seem to want pretty graphes and automatic updating to some central scheduling server because MS has the mess called Expunge |
| 22:40.22 | blondie | ribnitz: one would hope it wouldn't be open to the inetnet |
| 22:40.26 | blondie | *internet |
| 22:40.39 | ma3x | ribnitz on what ip? |
| 22:40.55 | ribnitz | blondie: mine has a web interface, but can be configured from where its accessible. |
| 22:41.10 | blondie | yeah well |
| 22:41.17 | ribnitz | ma3x: 192.168.1.1, 192.168.0.1,.. |
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| 22:41.21 | Hooke | outlaw84, I'm newbie, you'd better ask those who know ,hehe |
| 22:41.24 | blondie | ma3x: your gateway IP probably |
| 22:41.26 | kspath | ma3x: arp -a that IP that isnt your workstation IP |
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| 22:41.49 | ma3x | ribnitz I dont have that |
| 22:41.59 | DeadSoul | where can you set background in fluxbox? |
| 22:42.06 | ma3x | ribnitz I have 10.0.148.1 |
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| 22:42.28 | ribnitz | ma3x: same thing, larger network. |
| 22:42.37 | ma3x | ribnitz and 10.0.149.80 as my ip |
| 22:42.44 | ma3x | so are these local or internet ips? |
| 22:42.50 | ma3x | external or internal? |
| 22:42.50 | blondie | that sounds unusual |
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| 22:42.57 | blondie | they are local private ones |
| 22:42.59 | kspath | 10.* and 192.168.* are private |
| 22:43.07 | blondie | you sure they're not on the same subnet? |
| 22:43.11 | kspath | private as in not internet routable |
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| 22:43.17 | ribnitz | ma3x: 10.x.y.z is "public ip space", ie internal |
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| 22:43.31 | ales | hello world |
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| 22:43.48 | ma3x | ribnitz so why I cant connect to the modem web interface when I type the ip in my browser |
| 22:43.48 | blondie | ribnitz: public... or private :P |
| 22:43.59 | tuv | ma3x: probably are not setting the gateway |
| 22:44.08 | blondie | ma3x: maybe it doesn't have one |
| 22:44.09 | ribnitz | blondie: "open-use" |
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| 22:44.30 | ribnitz | ma3x: the first three of the four numbers need to match? |
| 22:44.36 | ma3x | blondie cable modems dont have one? |
| 22:44.41 | kspath | ma3x: sometimes web interfaces on on ports like 8080 or 88 or some such that is what you documentation that comes with your dsl/cable modem is supposed to tell you |
| 22:44.51 | blondie | ma3x: yes, all cable modems are identical |
| 22:44.56 | coolermania | who use vmware in Debian? |
| 22:44.57 | blondie | all the same make and model |
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| 22:45.14 | ribnitz | blondie: per provider. |
| 22:45.28 | blondie | sarcasm |
| 22:45.30 | tuv | ma3x: i take that back |
| 22:45.51 | coolermania | i need help on install and configure vmware in debian |
| 22:45.55 | kspath | ma3x: nmap 10.0.148.1 will show if it has any interfaces on whatever port more or less |
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| 22:48.08 | DeadSoul | where can you set background in fluxbox?? |
| 22:48.27 | kspath | DeadSoul I thought you needed something else to do that |
| 22:48.42 | npx | DeadSoul, in whatever fluxbox theme file you've selected |
| 22:49.05 | NyteRukh | hi |
| 22:49.06 | npx | DeadSoul, you can use whatever command you'd like to set it, bsetbg esetroot etc |
| 22:49.12 | kspath | DeadSoul: old days there were separate apps to put up backgrounds and/or rotate them and such |
| 22:49.18 | funkyHat | can someone help me with configuring hotplug to detect new IDE devices? (removable HDD bay) :) |
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| 22:49.40 | npx | kspath, there still are =) |
| 22:49.52 | kspath | npx: :-) |
| 22:50.11 | DeadSoul | hmm no menu in fluxbox directly? |
| 22:50.14 | kspath | I am wierd I still prefer openbox3 a little over fluxbox |
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| 22:50.25 | npx | DeadSoul, nope, fb is minimalistic |
| 22:50.26 | sema | hello |
| 22:50.27 | ma3x | kspath you sure? 10.0.148.1 has ssh port open |
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| 22:50.42 | ma3x | kspath but thats local ip, no? |
| 22:50.54 | kspath | ma3x: ? sure of what you tell us |
| 22:51.05 | sema | fluderi foreva ) |
| 22:51.18 | kspath | ma3x: local to your workstation or local to your network? |
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| 22:51.35 | ma3x | kspath its just cable modem |
| 22:51.40 | ma3x | kspath now whats that? |
| 22:51.41 | sema | fuck you geys ) |
| 22:51.45 | ma3x | network or workstation? |
| 22:51.48 | blondie | sema: out |
| 22:52.01 | abrotman | fbi: have you seen "it" lately ? |
| 22:52.01 | sema | sosi |
| 22:52.05 | blondie | sema: before you get spanked :P |
| 22:52.27 | sema | im not andestend |
| 22:52.40 | sema | you speak russian |
| 22:52.47 | blondie | no, speak english |
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| 22:53.09 | ma3x | kspath I mean it has 23 port open ( telnet). kspath but i dunno the user/pass |
| 22:53.10 | sema | where you from |
| 22:53.25 | kspath | ma3x: I do not know your cable modem may or may not have an IP I was only giving hints on tools to use write down on paper what you know for sure IPs, makes, models, whatever |
| 22:53.37 | sema | luser |
| 22:53.43 | blondie | lol |
| 22:53.43 | kspath | ma3x: do you need the user/pass ? |
| 22:53.44 | sema | )))))))) |
| 22:54.31 | sema | rulllleeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 22:54.36 | blondie | sigh |
| 22:54.40 | ma3x | kspath yes to login to telnet |
| 22:54.51 | sema | moskow foreva |
| 22:54.52 | kspath | pashoh von sema |
| 22:55.03 | abrotman | !ru |
| 22:55.03 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 22:55.09 | sema | èäè íà õóé óðîä |
| 22:55.24 | blondie | sema: spanking time then |
| 22:55.26 | abrotman | sema: we speak english in this channel |
| 22:55.36 | kspath | ma3x: do you need to login into it? |
| 22:55.39 | ribnitz | abrotman: at least most of us. |
| 22:55.52 | sema | ee suk my dick |
| 22:56.02 | kspath | sema: pany mayu angielski? |
| 22:56.08 | blondie | sema: this isn't a sex channel :P |
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| 22:56.11 | abrotman | sema: we speak english in this channel |
| 22:56.26 | sema | es you lusers |
| 22:56.32 | sema | 0 |
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| 22:56.43 | blondie | what's that ops command thing? :) |
| 22:56.48 | kspath | sema: I am a big luser yes hence I am unemployed still |
| 22:57.01 | ma3x | kspath yes i need to login into it |
| 22:57.05 | ribnitz | autokick. :) |
| 22:57.06 | NyteRukh | lol |
| 22:57.21 | kspath | ma3x: contact your provider for instructions on how to do that |
| 22:57.28 | abrotman | blondie: !ops <problem> |
| 22:57.30 | blondie | oh did it leave? |
| 22:57.33 | abrotman | blondie: don't abuse it |
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| 22:57.41 | coolermania | people, who install and use vmware Workstation in Debian? |
| 22:57.43 | blondie | abrotman: pffft |
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| 22:57.53 | kspath | ma3x: they will know the default username/pass for their devices |
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| 22:58.54 | ribnitz | kspath: its very often a manufacturer setting.. |
| 22:58.57 | green-mouse | now 2 of night in Moskow.... why he don`t sleep??? |
| 22:59.00 | razziel | hi, i've just installed debian and i need to use some ascii characters, numbers 190-210 exactly, but I see that they are not the same than in windows, why? |
| 22:59.08 | jsmidt | I need xorg to detect my graphics card, free86 doesn't do it. How can I install sarge? |
| 22:59.17 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
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| 22:59.18 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 22:59.42 | bleck | I know this is a debian channel, but there are smart people here, so I'm gonna ask anyways... if you have a layer 1 switch connected to a layer 2 switch, and have vlans on the layer 2 switch, if you connect a device that wants to be on a particular vlan into the layer 1 switch, will it pass the vlan information across to the layer 2 switch? |
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| 22:59.45 | kspath | ribnitz: yes, it can be unless they is a large special order for a specific provider or they waste time configing each before shipping |
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| 22:59.55 | jsmidt | how do you restart x? |
| 23:00.01 | mbp | can anyone explain me why dma is not turned on with standard Debian kernels (2.6.14-2)? |
| 23:00.28 | markit | hi :) is the businesscard image of the installer good for burn a normal cd? |
| 23:00.34 | bleck | in other words, even though it doesn't understand them, will the layer 1 switch still send the entire 1504 byte packet? |
| 23:00.36 | ribnitz | kspath: its done by the manufacturer. We are not talking batches of 10 devices. |
| 23:00.46 | markit | I want to have the very minimal installer cd, the rest will be grabbed from the net |
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| 23:01.11 | ribnitz | markit: there's like a 75 MB image. |
| 23:01.14 | bleck | mbp: I think it can cause compatibility errors, so it's off by default |
| 23:01.33 | mbp | bleck, well - I am unsure how to turn it on. When I built my own kernels, it was enabled by default. |
| 23:02.03 | bleck | mbp: I'll have a look for you. |
| 23:02.16 | markit | ribnitz: what do you mean? the iso of the installer is 140MB, while the businesscard version is 33MB.. .but can I produce a cd with that? |
| 23:02.16 | ribnitz | does the 2.6.14 prebuilt (kernel-image/linux-image still not work)? |
| 23:02.44 | ribnitz | markit: you only need the 33 mb one, provided you have net access. |
| 23:02.53 | markit | jsmidt: ctrl + alt + backspace? |
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| 23:03.12 | Malagmyr | Can anyone tell me what's wrong here? I have this file http://www.panikk.org/~gothtec/malagmyr.homeip.net in my /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and a symlink to it in /etc/apache2/sites-enables/. Now why doesn't apache2 serve me that file if I go to http://malagmyr.homeip.net/? If I change malagmyr.homeip.net to * in that file, it all works, but I want more than one host... |
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| 23:03.31 | markit | ribnitz: fine, but can I produce a regular bootable CD? or do I have to use a "businesscard" cd? (that I don't have) |
| 23:03.46 | green-mouse | ribnitz, yes it broken as yet... |
| 23:03.48 | Malagmyr | s/sites-enables/sites-enabled/ |
| 23:03.51 | mbp | bleck, thanks. |
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| 23:03.57 | ribnitz | markit: normal cds will do. |
| 23:04.08 | markit | ribnitz: thanks a lot |
| 23:04.22 | ribnitz | markit: in which case you might as well take the 140 mb (ie with base) |
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| 23:04.32 | nimak2 | Malagmyr: this is a real pain in the ass problem |
| 23:04.35 | mansu | hi all |
| 23:04.40 | nimak2 | ill look for you |
| 23:04.54 | mansu | how can i rollback to g++3.3 from g++4.0? |
| 23:05.08 | vulture | mansu: you can install both at the same time.. |
| 23:05.20 | Malagmyr | nimak2: is there any change I have to do in apache2.conf or something, to support several hosts? It's all the way it came from apt-get |
| 23:05.24 | markit | ribnitz: any way to boot from a usb pen? does it to be supported by the bios as well? |
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| 23:05.41 | nimak2 | Malagmyr: dont think so |
| 23:05.42 | mansu | vulture: but i want to compile one package only with 3.3 , but it is starting with 4.0... is there a way to set that? |
| 23:05.42 | odla | !info dpkg seamonkey experimental |
| 23:05.51 | ribnitz | markit: havent gotten that far, usually use the installer cds. |
| 23:06.03 | nimak2 | i have a server set up with multiple vhosts, ill look and see how i did it |
| 23:06.15 | odla | !info seamonkey experimental |
| 23:06.17 | Malagmyr | nimak2: great |
| 23:06.20 | ribnitz | olda: seamonkey is mozilla, no? |
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| 23:06.52 | audi | re hi |
| 23:07.00 | audi | kspath are you here? |
| 23:07.16 | bleck | mdp: hey, sorry, I know how to turn if off, just not on. :) ide=nodma (kernel switch) granted you may already have known this. |
| 23:07.23 | kspath | markit: there are pages with that info I read about in 3-4 months ago was going to get the tiny 7watt servers and boot from pcmcia and/or usb pen drive |
| 23:07.29 | mbp | bleck, ok, thanks anyway :( |
| 23:07.30 | bleck | mdp: can you turn it on with hdparm? |
| 23:07.36 | kspath | audi: kinda here my mind is wandering all over |
| 23:08.00 | bleck | mdp: if so, just edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 23:08.24 | bleck | mdp: tuning the hdd works wonders for performance (eg: 32bit mode instead of 16) |
| 23:08.26 | audi | kspath i have a new problem: i finished the installation and now, when i do: startx i retrieve this: fatal io error 104 (connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 request.............. |
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| 23:08.31 | tuv | mansu: use g++-3.3 instead of g++ in the make file |
| 23:08.39 | audi | what's this now? |
| 23:08.40 | audi | :O |
| 23:08.46 | mbp | bleck, it is 'mbp', not 'mdp'. When doing hdparm -d1 /dev/hda I get "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" |
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| 23:08.52 | ribnitz | does hdarm work on sata? |
| 23:09.17 | mansu | tuv: i am using python setup utilities and there seems to be no way to do that ... |
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| 23:09.37 | soleros | bye |
| 23:09.38 | kspath | audi: umm do not know not sure what you did my short term memory lacks enough details about your machine and all its configurations |
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| 23:10.16 | audi | hm i try asking to some other, before you kill me :P |
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| 23:10.24 | bleck | mbp: oops, sorry, and yes, that means no dma support in the kernel (which again, you already know) had a look for a module to load? (maybe in initrd) |
| 23:10.27 | nimak2 | Malagmyr: i got it, leave it at *, and make the servername malagmyr.homeip.net |
| 23:10.28 | audi | thanks you anyway, you can't remember all :P |
| 23:10.30 | jsmidt | If I want to only install the base system, then install xorg, what do I then need to do to get gnome running? |
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| 23:10.53 | oscar | anyone awake? |
| 23:10.53 | kspath | audi: sorry did not intend to be mean |
| 23:11.06 | mbp | bleck, I am not sure what module I should be looking for. There are lots. |
| 23:11.09 | kspath | oscar: I am sleep walking |
| 23:11.14 | Malagmyr | nimak2: should I leave both the NameVirtualHost * and VirtualHost *? |
| 23:11.22 | bleck | mbp: lspci | grep -i IDE |
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| 23:11.33 | bleck | mbp: tell me what that says |
| 23:11.36 | mbp | bleck, 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller (rev 02) |
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| 23:11.44 | oscar | why doesn't backspace work in screen? I've been googling my ass off all night, but I haven't figured anything out :( |
| 23:11.44 | bleck | mbp: do you have sata? |
| 23:11.48 | tuv | mansu: you have g++-3.3 and g++-4.0 in /usr/bin and then there is /usr/bin/g++ which is a symlink to either one - usually to g++-4.0. if you cannot find any env. var. that chooses to use g++ then change the symlink so that it points to g++-3.3 instead of g++-4.0 temporarily |
| 23:11.57 | mbp | bleck, no. |
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| 23:12.23 | kspath | oscar: backspace and delete are not equal on all keyboards/interfaces |
| 23:12.32 | mansu | tuv: instead i have changed g++.real, thx for the help though, it works and thats what g++ is pointing to |
| 23:12.32 | oscar | kspath: ah :( |
| 23:12.33 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, my file doesnt have a namevirtualhost, comment it out and see if it works |
| 23:12.40 | bleck | mbp: one sec. |
| 23:12.51 | kspath | oscar: my keyboard has a switch to change action of backspace and delete |
| 23:12.52 | nimak2 | mal |
| 23:12.55 | nimak2 | oops |
| 23:13.01 | mbp | bleck, thanks again. |
| 23:13.03 | oscar | :O |
| 23:13.09 | tuv | mansu: you have g++.real? from what package? |
| 23:13.20 | oscar | kspath: but is there any way ot figuring out what keycode my backspace has? |
| 23:13.30 | kspath | oscar: are any keys labelled as BS or del or delete or backspace other than the one you always used? |
| 23:13.37 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, make VirtualHost * |
| 23:13.54 | oscar | kspath: ehr...I have no idea. I think that means "no" :( |
| 23:13.54 | mansu | tuv: no idea.. g++ -> builder-c++ -> g++.real -> g++-x.x.. thats how it is structured |
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| 23:14.11 | kspath | oscar: yes, there are several ways but I am too mentally weak now to answer that question effectively |
| 23:14.19 | oscar | haha |
| 23:14.19 | oscar | :P |
| 23:14.41 | floundering | can I get apt-move to move non-free from cache into the local mirror? |
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| 23:14.54 | kspath | oscar: my keyboard has two keys for backspace/delete |
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| 23:15.18 | kspath | oscar: there are MANY tools for key mappings |
| 23:15.31 | bleck | mbp: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name *piix* | xargs basename |
| 23:15.32 | DeadSoul | ok well i got my background set in fluxbox with gsetroot but when i exit and reload startx it it dosent have my background anymore.. |
| 23:15.36 | DeadSoul | it dosent save? |
| 23:15.51 | kspath | oscar: are you using some other language other than english us or english uk? |
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| 23:16.02 | tuv | why aren't gcc 3.3 & 4.0 binaries managed by the alternatives system? |
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| 23:16.18 | oscar | kspath: I'm using a swedish layout |
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| 23:16.33 | kspath | oscar: ahh I am far from qualified to assist you |
| 23:16.33 | benplaut | daily builds on http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ are of sid, or experimental? |
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| 23:16.58 | oscar | kspath: :( but I haven't ever had any problems with this before :( |
| 23:17.09 | gravity | DeadSoul: Add the gsetroot or whatever command to your ~/.xsession. "gsetroot foo &" |
| 23:17.14 | mbp | bleck, basename: extra operand '/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/ata_piix.ko' |
| 23:17.39 | DeadSoul | i have to do gsetroot /dir/file ? |
| 23:17.54 | Malagmyr | nimak2: now the first vhost, alphabetically, shows up, no matter what url i'm using |
| 23:18.01 | bleck | mbp: hmmmm. try 'modprobe ata_piix' |
| 23:18.03 | kspath | oscar: I believe you just that I am seriously not knowledgable to assist with swedish key mappings |
| 23:18.12 | Malagmyr | nimak2: removing the first one from sites-enables makes the next one show up, and so on |
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| 23:18.28 | Malagmyr | s/sites-enables/sites-enabled/ DAMMIT |
| 23:18.30 | bleck | mbp: and modprobe i2c-piix4 (which you prolly don't need, but good for lmsensors) |
| 23:18.49 | bleck | if it loaded, try hdparm |
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| 23:19.19 | kspath | DeadSoul: add that tool to your xinitrc? and/or read that man pages about that tool? |
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| 23:19.22 | bleck | also, it may need to be loaded in initrd |
| 23:19.39 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, leave NameVirtualHost * in there |
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| 23:19.52 | mbp | bleck, that did not do the trick. |
| 23:19.54 | bleck | seeing as its the hdd controller, being loaded from a hdd. |
| 23:19.54 | nimak2 | my webserver is strung togeather with magic |
| 23:19.56 | learnfromscratch | when i do automake .. it fails saying that "no makefile.am found or specified" |
| 23:20.08 | bleck | mbp: did it load? (lsmod | grep -i piix) |
| 23:20.09 | learnfromscratch | though i have a makefile.am |
| 23:20.16 | bleck | or dmesg. |
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| 23:20.20 | beardy | oscar: That can depend on many things, the machine you are ssh:ing from, the machine you are ssh:ing to, or putty itself, or a combination. You can use Ctrl-h as backspace. (but perhaps you know that already) |
| 23:20.20 | kspath | nimak2: set its switch to more magik and see what happens |
| 23:20.35 | mbp | bleck, ata_piix, libata, piix is loaded. |
| 23:20.56 | amilcarv | is possible to have a group email address with postfix(like exchange, so when someone send an email to that address all the users receive) |
| 23:21.14 | blondie | you need something like mailman |
| 23:21.15 | soymilk | learnfromscratch: the mailing list for the app you're trying to build would probably be more helpful than here |
| 23:21.16 | kspath | oscar: related to screen as well you can set keys in a .bashrc or whatever for other end |
| 23:21.18 | blondie | for mailing lists |
| 23:21.28 | kspath | oscar: echo $TERM will help you |
| 23:21.46 | learnfromscratch | soymilk: its my own software.. |
| 23:21.46 | beardy | kspath: $TERM is probably screen. |
| 23:21.49 | kspath | oscar: env or printenv can help |
| 23:22.04 | benplaut | are there single CD or netinstall images available for sid? |
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| 23:22.29 | beardy | oscar: Does the box run Debian? The one you're ssh:ing to? |
| 23:22.29 | kspath | beardy: if he sets it to something for other end it might "fix" like vt100 for instance but things can get icky |
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| 23:22.33 | Malagmyr | nimak2: now it says "[warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts" when I restart apache2, after adding the NameVirtualHost line |
| 23:22.34 | qknight | hey |
| 23:22.34 | soymilk | amilcarv: won't an alias do that? |
| 23:22.41 | qknight | i need a unstable installation minimum installation cd |
| 23:22.48 | amilcarv | soymilk how? |
| 23:22.48 | qknight | i will be using apt-get from then |
| 23:22.53 | qknight | where can i find this cd? |
| 23:22.55 | soymilk | amilcarv: man aliases |
| 23:22.58 | Malagmyr | nimak2: I still have VirtualHost *, so I'm not sure what it's complaining about |
| 23:22.59 | blondie | qknight: there isn't one, is there? |
| 23:23.01 | beardy | kspath: Especially if connecting further to another machine :) |
| 23:23.08 | qknight | blondie: don't know yet |
| 23:23.12 | kspath | beardy: like ERASE="^H";export ERASE or whatever |
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| 23:23.30 | nimak2 | it should be NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 23:23.30 | kspath | beardy: exactmon exactmente exactly |
| 23:24.00 | bleck | mbp: if you do 'dmesg | less' does it give any errors about dma when its loading the module? also, why are you bothering, if you can just compile your own? |
| 23:24.03 | qknight | but i don't like to download 600mb and then using only about 110mb of it |
| 23:24.14 | markit | kspath: "tiny 7watt servers"? do you mean mini-itx pc? |
| 23:24.23 | bleck | I'm always much happier with compiled kernels. (they are less bloated, hence faster) |
| 23:24.24 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, ^^^ |
| 23:24.26 | beardy | kspath: Something like that perhaps, I've had that happen to me too, but I never got around to fix it. Not on Debian boxes though I think, some BSD I think it was.. |
| 23:24.32 | kspath | this sucks I have 8+ years experience as an ISP tech support and systems engineer and no one wants me |
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| 23:24.45 | bleck | kspath: lonely? :) |
| 23:24.52 | Malagmyr | nimak2: now what? |
| 23:24.57 | blondie | no love for kspath o.o |
| 23:25.03 | mbp | bleck, nothing there about dma. It is an experiment, I have used Debian and self-compiled kernels for years, but now I wanted to try out whether I could spare myself the trouble and use standard kernels. |
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| 23:25.19 | beardy | !love kspath |
| 23:25.20 | nimak2 | restart the server? :-P |
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| 23:25.30 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, ^^^ |
| 23:25.33 | DeadSoul | hmm i added gsetroot file.jpg in my .xinitrc but only gsetroot loads.. dosent put my background |
| 23:25.34 | korozion | if I blew up my /etc/ntp.conf how can I get the default one back? |
| 23:25.43 | Malagmyr | nimak2: what? |
| 23:25.45 | npx | mbp, i think the stock kernels work great |
| 23:25.45 | npx | also: 3 letter nicks represent |
| 23:25.49 | DeadSoul | nor gsetroot -a file.jpg |
| 23:25.49 | kspath | beardy: I fixed it on so many machines with various methods but my memory is blurred/mixed with so many platforms/interfaces/years/... |
| 23:25.50 | beardy | korozion: Reinstall? |
| 23:25.55 | mbp | bleck, do you think it will change anything if I try to load the piix module in the initrd? |
| 23:25.58 | korozion | reinstall what? just ntp? |
| 23:25.58 | DeadSoul | whats the command to set it? |
| 23:26.02 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, restart apache2 |
| 23:26.02 | mbp | npx, well - can you solve my problem then? ;) |
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| 23:26.04 | beardy | korozion: Yes.. |
| 23:26.13 | korozion | thanks, I'll give that a shot |
| 23:26.16 | Malagmyr | nimak2: shouldn't I? |
| 23:26.20 | korozion | should apt-get --reinstall install ntp work? |
| 23:26.24 | soymilk | korozion: man apt-get for reinstall option |
| 23:26.37 | korozion | was I right? |
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| 23:26.46 | Joelmax18 | hi |
| 23:26.46 | bleck | mbp: I understand. and not sure, if its loading a generic hdd controller in initrd before piix, then I'd say thats the prob. |
| 23:26.50 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, restart apache2 and see if it works now |
| 23:26.59 | korozion | soymilk ? |
| 23:27.00 | soymilk | korozion: install apt-file then apt-file search /etc/ntp.conf |
| 23:27.04 | Malagmyr | nimak2: er... |
| 23:27.07 | Joelmax18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.09 | Malagmyr | nimak2: now it says "[warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts" when I restart apache2, after adding the NameVirtualHost line |
| 23:27.15 | mbp | bleck, /etc/mkinitramfs/modules has ide-generic and ide-disk |
| 23:27.18 | bleck | mbp: there must be some info on this on the net somewhere.. |
| 23:27.19 | gravity | DeadSoul: Try using xsetroot, and you should also use ~/.xsession instead of ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:27.19 | Malagmyr | nimak2: that's what happens |
| 23:27.20 | Joelmax18 | Unknown command 'vid_restart' |
| 23:27.20 | Joelmax18 | idRenderSystem::Shutdown() |
| 23:27.20 | Joelmax18 | Sys_Error: Couldn't load default.cfg |
| 23:27.28 | Joelmax18 | eror |
| 23:27.29 | bleck | mbp: one sec. |
| 23:27.32 | kspath | DeadSoul: did you set the right order for each thing to start? worst case add it to your bashrc only issue would be remote logins or logins via ssh and such |
| 23:27.32 | Joelmax18 | error |
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| 23:27.58 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, it should be NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 23:28.09 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, in your config file |
| 23:28.38 | DeadSoul | kspath. all i got in my .xinitrc is gsetroot file.jpg and second line is exec fluxbox , fluxbox starts and i got gsetroot window open like to add a background.. |
| 23:28.40 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, 80, not 0 |
| 23:28.50 | DeadSoul | if i add one , quit and reload its gonna be the same again |
| 23:28.57 | korozion | soymilk apt-file search /etc/ntp.conf returned nothing |
| 23:29.05 | gravity | DeadSoul: I already told you the answer |
| 23:29.06 | Malagmyr | nimak2: I just put a * |
| 23:29.16 | mbp | bleck, I found some confirmation on my theory, so I will try to reboot with this setting. brb. |
| 23:29.17 | Malagmyr | nimak2: changing it to *:80 then |
| 23:29.25 | kspath | DeadSoul: did you provide it with the full path of the location of the image? |
| 23:29.30 | Joelmax18 | please help |
| 23:29.41 | Joelmax18 | Unknown command 'vid_restart' |
| 23:29.41 | Joelmax18 | idRenderSystem::Shutdown() |
| 23:29.41 | Joelmax18 | Sys_Error: Couldn't load default.cfg |
| 23:29.43 | beardy | korozion: Purge it and install it again. |
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| 23:29.53 | korozion | perge? |
| 23:29.53 | abrotman | Joelmax18: the context might be helpful |
| 23:30.00 | korozion | oops, purge? |
| 23:30.04 | DeadSoul | yes i have "gsetroot /home/user/file.jpg" then "exec fluxbox" |
| 23:30.12 | kspath | DeadSoul: is that image file world readable though it should run with your user access |
| 23:30.13 | beardy | korozion: man apt-get |
| 23:30.39 | DeadSoul | well if i do open in xorg i can set it as background |
| 23:30.41 | korozion | beardy ok, cool. But is it ntp-simple ntp-server ntp or what that provides ntp.conf ? |
| 23:31.05 | Malagmyr | nimak2: now the first one always shows up again |
| 23:31.19 | Joelmax18 | i try play doom 3 i have error |
| 23:31.42 | korozion | hmm, seems purge pulls them all out, how cool! |
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| 23:31.54 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, yeah, i got rid of the default one and now it does that here too |
| 23:31.54 | kspath | DeadSoul: I do not know unless I set up a debian workstation with Xorg and fluxbox and gsetroot I can not answer your question |
| 23:32.14 | gravity | Why not xsetroot? Why gsetroot? |
| 23:32.18 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, im gonna play around with it and see if i can get it to work |
| 23:32.23 | gravity | The problem seems to stem entirely from using gsetroot |
| 23:32.27 | Malagmyr | nimak2: okay |
| 23:32.37 | gravity | But that's Ok. Feel free to ignore me. |
| 23:32.59 | kspath | DeadSoul: try xsetroot as gravity said as an option |
| 23:33.08 | gravity | Also, don't forget the ampersand |
| 23:33.10 | gravity | You need that |
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| 23:33.39 | beardy | korozion: (/etc/ntp.conf) in net/ntp-server |
| 23:33.48 | kspath | that might be causing the issue with gsetroot as well |
| 23:33.51 | korozion | thank, how'd you find that out? |
| 23:33.58 | beardy | korozion: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:33.59 | kspath | gravity: good idea / point |
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| 23:34.05 | korozion | cool, thanks again |
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| 23:34.59 | beardy | korozion: You're welcome. |
| 23:35.07 | sussudio | gravity: do you have the /clones command in your irc client? |
| 23:35.12 | kspath | DeadSoul: gsetroot might be waiting for something and the & for background might "fix" it up |
| 23:35.18 | gravity | sussudio: No |
| 23:35.31 | sussudio | gravity: someone has 5 clones in here. |
| 23:35.42 | gravity | ugh |
| 23:35.46 | sussudio | gravity: eskimo.com: dddd ____dddd_ ___dddd__ dddd_____ dddd___ dddd__ |
| 23:36.00 | Joelmax18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.27 | gravity | whois ____dddd_ |
| 23:36.30 | gravity | Crap |
| 23:36.47 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, this sucks eggs |
| 23:36.52 | sussudio | i think they all have the same ident |
| 23:37.02 | Malagmyr | nimak2: yep |
| 23:37.25 | Malagmyr | nimak2: Isn't there a nice howto somewhere or something? |
| 23:37.44 | nimak2 | nope, i dont think so |
| 23:37.47 | gravity | sussudio: Yeah, thanks for letting me know. I'll talk to the other ops about it, since I'm not sure if there's a policy on this |
| 23:37.56 | DeadSoul | well the thing is that gsetroot just loads no matter what i do. gsetroot file , gsetroot -a file etc. it just loads the interface to do open file and set it as background. its working but if i quit xorg it wont save it for next session |
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| 23:38.07 | nimak2 | i think i have a workaround, if you dont mind the half-assedness |
| 23:38.08 | sussudio | gravity: they haven't talked and don't return a client version on ctcp |
| 23:38.15 | gravity | DeadSoul: I told you the answer. |
| 23:38.19 | learnfromscratch | are there any issues with automake and debian.. when ever i do automake in debian i get the error " no Makefile.am found or specified" although i have a Makefile.am in the same folder.. when i do strace i find that it is trying to search for a file Makefile\\.am .. i dont know why it has added a double back slash .. any suggestions ? the same stuff works in fedora.. though i like debian.. and want it to work in debian.. |
| 23:38.32 | DeadSoul | gravity. omg.. i dont understand your "answer" |
| 23:38.42 | gravity | DeadSoul: Then say that |
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| 23:38.49 | gravity | DeadSoul: Use xsetroot instead of gsetroot |
| 23:38.57 | soymilk | anyone ever seen /usr/bin/mail truncate a long e-mail address? |
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| 23:39.02 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, lemme make sure it works |
| 23:39.03 | DeadSoul | xsetroot dosent work with .png |
| 23:39.10 | gravity | DeadSoul: Put "xsetroot path/to/your/image &" in ~/.xsession, followed by "exec fluxbox" |
| 23:39.19 | EasterSunshine | does anyone know how to make xorg invert all colors? |
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| 23:40.12 | roler | I desperately need php5-mcrypt support. has anyone compiled a .so extension they could kindly send me?? |
| 23:40.36 | gravity | DeadSoul: Ok, you're right. I didn't know it didn't support png. One second, and let me figure out a workaround. |
| 23:40.38 | beardy | roler: Have you tried searching for one? |
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| 23:40.47 | DeadSoul | gravity. guess what it dosent work that way. its xsetroot -bitmap file and when i do that it says "bad bitmap format file" |
| 23:41.00 | roler | beardy; have you? It is not available at the moment. Thats why i'm asking if someone compiled one by hand. |
| 23:41.11 | roler | beardy; currently debian only supports php4-mcrypt. |
| 23:41.11 | kspath | DeadSoul: convert image to a compatible format? |
| 23:41.13 | gravity | DeadSoul: You're right. If you had told me that from the beginning instead of ignoring me, I could have looked for a solution earlier |
| 23:41.24 | beardy | roler: I'm not looking for it. |
| 23:41.28 | gravity | Anyway, back to looking at gsetroot |
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| 23:41.46 | soymilk | gravity: how do you pass a color like #4A2714 to xsetroot? its man page doesn't say |
| 23:41.50 | roler | ahh much better. |
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| 23:42.13 | gravity | ew... never mind. gsetroot requires eterm. wtf? |
| 23:42.16 | Malagmyr | nimak2: I took a working sites-available file from another server, and now I get thisdomain:80 overlaps with VirtualHost thatdomain:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive. I get no such message on restarting apache2 on the other machine. This is SERIOUSLY annoying. |
| 23:42.24 | bonez39 | what might this error mean: W: GPG error: http://debian.tu-bs.de ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY FB1A399A71409CDF |
| 23:42.30 | kspath | soymilk: single quotes might be a way as might \ escaping? |
| 23:42.34 | bonez39 | I have never encountered this before |
| 23:42.36 | Malagmyr | nimak2: also, apache2.conf on the two machines is identical |
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| 23:42.37 | gravity | soymilk: You give it a name? Why do you want a number? |
| 23:42.49 | nimak2 | Malagmyr: ok i got it! |
| 23:43.03 | soymilk | gravity: what is the name for #4A2714 ? |
| 23:43.06 | nimak2 | stick the default file in sites-enabled |
| 23:43.19 | gravity | soymilk: Check /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 23:43.20 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, and it should work |
| 23:43.24 | Malagmyr | nimak2: default file? |
| 23:43.28 | gravity | soymilk: That's the color list. You can edit that as you like too. |
| 23:43.45 | nimak2 | from sites-availible |
| 23:43.49 | DeadSoul | i think im gonna send file over ftp , conver it to bmp and then get it back |
| 23:44.05 | soymilk | gravity: its a rather short list, a lot shorter than 16,000,000 |
| 23:44.13 | gravity | soymilk: Add what you want |
| 23:44.16 | gravity | It's not meant to be long |
| 23:44.23 | soymilk | oic |
| 23:44.24 | Malagmyr | nimak2: the 000-default thingy? |
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| 23:44.43 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, yeah, that thing |
| 23:45.33 | dondelelcaro | Malagmyr: you've got two hosts binding to the same port without a NameVirtualHost directive... apache2 -S; should tell you kind of what is going on. |
| 23:45.34 | soymilk | kspath: odd, because when i run the command manually, the address is not truncated. but this compaq agent thing calls the command and runs it, and it gets truncated |
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| 23:46.23 | gravity | hrmm.... qiv will set the bg, but it seems to have a bug open wrt that |
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| 23:46.41 | dondelelcaro | Malagmyr: if you're still having a problem, give us your apache2.conf, the 000-default, and any other virtual hosts that you've got enabled. |
| 23:46.41 | gravity | display will do it (display -window 0 foo.png) but I had to click the root win |
| 23:46.55 | korozion | anyone have debian running as an ntp server for the rest of their local network? |
| 23:46.57 | dondelelcaro | gravity: even with -window root? |
| 23:47.08 | dondelelcaro | gravity: but 'feh' is probably better anyway. |
| 23:47.09 | kspath | soymilk: truncated how? number of characters accepted? |
| 23:47.13 | DeadSoul | wow what the hell even in .bmp its still says not a valid bitmap |
| 23:47.21 | r0tu | r0ty |
| 23:47.23 | r0tu | r0tu |
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| 23:47.48 | gravity | Ah, -window root did it |
| 23:47.55 | soymilk | kspath: yes. i have /usr/bin/mail <args> emailaddress1@blah.com, emailaddr2@blah2.com the second email address gets cut off. i see it in the mail log of the relay |
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| 23:48.09 | mbp | bleck, now it works. piix wasn't enough, 'generic' also had to be added. thanks for your inspiration. |
| 23:48.10 | gravity | DeadSoul: You can use display -window root your.png & to do it. The program is in imagemagick |
| 23:48.17 | soymilk | kspath: it gets cut off in the middle of the address, no logical point |
| 23:48.35 | kspath | soymilk: no it is logical |
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| 23:48.56 | kspath | soymilk: try double quotes around the addresses in the list |
| 23:49.04 | gravity | DeadSoul: Alternately, you can use feh like dondelelcaro suggested |
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| 23:50.08 | kspath | soymilk: /usr/bin/mail <args> "emailaddress1@blah.com, emailaddr2@blah2.com" |
| 23:50.08 | soymilk | kspath: one set of quotes around both, or quote each separately? |
| 23:50.14 | soymilk | ok |
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| 23:50.43 | kspath | soymilk: read man on mail command it might make more sense |
| 23:50.57 | Fare | I just upgraded debian on my PDA, and now it's all funky with unicode crap on the console |
| 23:50.59 | kspath | soymilk: or try mail --help |
| 23:51.01 | Fare | what's happening? |
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| 23:51.11 | DeadSoul | im gonna go nuts.. |
| 23:51.27 | DeadSoul | gsetroot works it just dosent add the BG in one command line |
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| 23:51.50 | Fare | when I type an accented character, it easier outputs UTF8 or UTF16 or something. |
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| 23:51.56 | kspath | DeadSoul: are you sure you did the syntax correctly? |
| 23:52.02 | Fare | it didn't do that before I upgraded |
| 23:52.21 | DeadSoul | im trying all these commands in a term and gsetroot loads fine but it dosent load any file or set it as background |
| 23:52.38 | DeadSoul | its only gsetbackground file.png right? |
| 23:52.44 | DeadSoul | it should work in a eterm |
| 23:52.48 | nimak2 | Malagmyr, does it work? |
| 23:53.00 | DeadSoul | it just loads gsetroot to open a file and set background |
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| 23:53.28 | Malagmyr | nimak2: always serves the first vhost, like it used to :( I found an example here, though, that I'm trying: http://www.cheimes.de/opensource/docs/zope-apache2/zope-apache2-3 |
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| 23:53.44 | DeadSoul | is there any fluxbox conf to specify a background? or some other way? |
| 23:53.50 | g3brown | I'm installing Sarge 3.1 2.6.8 kernel on a motherboard. It doesn't appear the 2.6.8 kernel supports my marvel 88sx5080 controller. What is a good add-on controller card that would be supported by the 2.6.8 kernel? I've heard 3ware makes one but I wasn't sure of the model number. |
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| 23:54.21 | fbi | DeadSoul: if you do that a few ways, the easiest is to install blackbox and use bsetbg (this command will work in fluxbox) |
| 23:54.25 | gravity | DeadSoul: hsetroot also works |
| 23:54.40 | gravity | I'd forgotten that I actually use hsetroot in another conf |
| 23:54.51 | kspath | DeadSoul: even better apt-get install openbox3 |
| 23:55.03 | kspath | DeadSoul: even better apt-get install rox-filer |
| 23:55.20 | fbi | !moo |
| 23:55.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:55.25 | DeadSoul | both? |
| 23:55.27 | SimonRaven | or, apt-get install openbox3 rox-filer |
| 23:55.52 | benjamindees | g3brown, is that SATA? |
| 23:55.56 | SimonRaven | !moo on fbi |
| 23:55.59 | korozion | anyone have information on using my debian box as a time server for the rest of my local network? |
| 23:56.03 | kspath | openbox3 is very similar to fluxbox and some would say better but that is for others to say |
| 23:56.05 | g3brown | benjamindees: yep |
| 23:56.15 | fbi | SimonRaven: s/p/m/ |
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| 23:56.19 | fbi | errr |
| 23:56.21 | fbi | god dammit |
| 23:56.24 | fbi | s/m/p/ |
| 23:56.31 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 23:56.31 | DeadSoul | cant find openbox3 package |
| 23:56.33 | kspath | rox-filer is a filer/panel/desktop/backgroud if you want it |
| 23:56.38 | fbi | !info openbox3 |
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| 23:56.56 | fbi | apparently that isn't the correct package name |
| 23:56.57 | Malagmyr | nimak2: YAY! That example I found worked perfectly. Have to go to part1 of it, though, and add a file called conf.d/namevirtualhost.conf containing a line saying NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 23:57.01 | wobbler | DeadSoul: fbsetbg works for me in fluxbox |
| 23:57.16 | Malagmyr | nimak2: then the config files on the link I posted work fine |
| 23:57.17 | mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.17 | DeadSoul | i just want a background... |
| 23:57.26 | kspath | DeadSoul: might be openbox now fluxbox is nice just find a fluxbox person to assist you they will have all kinds of tricks |
| 23:57.41 | nimak2 | Malagmyr: YAY!!! :-D |
| 23:57.41 | fbi | he's been told three ways how to do it |
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| 23:57.58 | Malagmyr | nimak2: thanks a lot for helping me with this :D |
| 23:58.11 | bucky | g3brown, that's a arcmsr driver... it might be in a newer kernel |
| 23:58.26 | dondelelcaro | Malagmyr: just add that to your apache2.conf |
| 23:58.30 | dondelelcaro | Malagmyr: that's where it belongs. |
| 23:58.33 | kspath | DeadSoul: they said numerous ways to do it and there are SO MANY solutions you can find with google and faqs and such |
| 23:58.36 | SimonRaven | DeadSoul: so pay attention to what's been told to you instead of bitching |
| 23:58.40 | Malagmyr | dondelelcaro: ah. will do |
| 23:58.54 | Malagmyr | dondelelcaro: on the bottom? |
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| 23:59.16 | dondelelcaro | Malagmyr: sure; pretty much anywhere will do it. |
