| 00:00.05 | Malagmyr | dondelelcaro: that worked too. one less file to worry about. thanks! |
| 00:00.23 | g3brown | bucky: I thought it was supported by the 2.6.8 kernel and its a server so I'm not real comfortable going to anything else as I don't have much experience with linux. |
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| 00:00.37 | bucky | g3brown, ok |
| 00:00.40 | kspath | DeadSoul: there might be a helper app for fluxbox like openbox3 has OBconf |
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| 00:01.20 | kspath | DeadSoul: google for fluxbox that is how I learned about blackbox and fluxbox and openbox a while back |
| 00:01.24 | g3brown | bucky: do you know of a good card. I've heard some good stuff about the 3ware 9500S-4LP |
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| 00:01.47 | bucky | g3brown, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 00:02.19 | g3brown | bucky: yeah, I read that. I guess I miss read it, but that is why I thought 2.6.8 supported it. |
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| 00:02.50 | bucky | g3brown, it does if you build the driver from source at that link |
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| 00:03.04 | sifi | is there some more recent version of Linux FAQ then http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ |
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| 00:03.38 | g3brown | bucky: I downloaded 'mvsata340.zip' but that about all I know how to do. heheh |
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| 00:04.53 | wobbler | DeadSoul: fbsetroot is the standard way to set simple bg color in fluxbox |
| 00:04.58 | bucky | g3brown, i thought arcmsr.1.20.00.02.zip was for Marvell 88SX60xx chips |
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| 00:05.40 | g3brown | bucky: "For Marvell chipsets 88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, and 88SX5081 "Hercules I" (all SATA-I); and 88SX6041 4-port & 88SX6081 8-port "Hercules II" (both SATA-II), there is a "mvSata" driver from Marvell International Ltd. Like Garzik's libata driver, Marvell's "mvSata" driver uses the kernel's SCSI layers." |
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| 00:06.12 | Tortel | hmm, etch users with gome, does synaptic work for you> |
| 00:06.13 | Tortel | ? |
| 00:07.04 | Guerin | Tortel: they can't talk, because they're all to busy fixing gnome's latest brokenness |
| 00:07.13 | Tortel | and anyone know how to make gksu not error about http://channels.debian.net/paste/1324 |
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| 00:07.27 | Tortel | ok, dinner, be back in like 15 |
| 00:07.29 | benjamindees | g3brown, you probably have to install someplace else and compile the driver |
| 00:07.52 | benjamindees | g3brown, that package has no license, so can't be redistributed |
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| 00:08.40 | bucky | sifi, http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 00:09.14 | EasterSunshine | anyone know how to do a fullscreen color inversion? |
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| 00:10.04 | Fare | does anyone here understand unicode console issues? |
| 00:10.14 | g3brown | benjamindees: I can handle the somewhere else, but I'm don't know how compile it or what to do after I compile it. |
| 00:10.23 | Fare | I upgraded debian-arm, and all hell went loose! |
| 00:10.34 | Guerin | Fare: linux console? |
| 00:10.35 | dondelelcaro | Tortel: if it doesn't, they've filed bugs. (or they should have) |
| 00:10.36 | Fare | yes |
| 00:10.40 | DeadSoul | well all the previous apps are crap |
| 00:10.41 | Guerin | Fare: as opposed to emulator |
| 00:10.44 | Fare | Guerin: yes |
| 00:10.54 | Guerin | Fare: well, the linux console doesn't really do unicode properly |
| 00:11.04 | DeadSoul | i added feh and i got "feh bg.jpg &" in .xinitrc and it works now |
| 00:11.04 | Fare | it's in half-unicode, half-latin1 mode, and that's crap |
| 00:11.05 | Guerin | Fare: it can only handle 512 glyphs or somesuch |
| 00:11.27 | Fare | Guerin: yes, but after I upgraded debian, it's trying to do evil things with utf8 |
| 00:11.29 | Guerin | Fare: yeah. You more or less need to pick one, or build your own 512-glyph unicode spec |
| 00:11.31 | benjamindees | g3brown, this gives a decent overview: http://debian.catsanddogs.com/forum/index.php/topic,35.msg127.html#msg127 |
| 00:11.52 | Guerin | Fare: I can't really help you, sorry. |
| 00:11.59 | DeadSoul | only took about 2 hours to set a background.. |
| 00:12.01 | Fare | Guerin: I used to live pretty comfortably with latin1 |
| 00:12.07 | Gnea | DeadSoul: what wm are you using? |
| 00:12.10 | Fare | Guerin: do you know where to find help? |
| 00:12.22 | DeadSoul | gdm |
| 00:12.23 | Guerin | Fare: yeah. if you can catch peterS in his localtime, he might know how to help you. |
| 00:12.28 | Fare | I mean, if this thing was changed recently in debian, someone must know what happened |
| 00:12.43 | Gnea | gdm is a window manager? |
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| 00:13.02 | Guerin | Fare: you'd think. Try asking debian-arm mailing list or such |
| 00:13.22 | DeadSoul | using fluxbox |
| 00:13.30 | Gnea | now fluxbox is a wm |
| 00:13.34 | g3brown | benjamindees: that looks a bit over my head at this point, but I'll give it a whirl. Thanks. |
| 00:13.42 | kspath | DeadSoul: fbsetbg -f /path/to/image.jpeg ? |
| 00:13.51 | DeadSoul | i dont even want to try |
| 00:14.00 | DeadSoul | "feh file &" works fine |
| 00:14.20 | DeadSoul | i apt-get feh and it worked |
| 00:14.24 | Gnea | DeadSoul: Esetroot -s bg.jpg works too, even gets you a translucent Eterm if you use it |
| 00:14.57 | Aim_Here | Hi, I'm trying to compile libsdl-perl from the debian sid source, but trying to display a sprite complains that the IMGLoad.al file is missing. Any perl gurus know why? |
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| 00:16.14 | DeadSoul | yeah i got eterm with transparency |
| 00:16.28 | kspath | going to switch from metacity to openbox might not be back night |
| 00:16.31 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:17.03 | rafx | from the shell, how do we list all perl (CPAN) modules available via apt-get? |
| 00:17.28 | kspath | wow that was fast |
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| 00:18.07 | messia | notte |
| 00:18.40 | kspath | nuit notte noches nacht? |
| 00:18.43 | Guerin | rafx: apt-cache search lib |grep -perl |
| 00:18.46 | NyteRukh | ? |
| 00:18.54 | Guerin | rafx: quick and dirty, but should work |
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| 00:19.05 | rafx | thanks! |
| 00:19.05 | Guerin | rafx: try --names-only if you want betterrer |
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| 00:20.02 | NyteRukh | how can i find the boot log |
| 00:20.03 | benjamindees | g3brown, if you're going to try, mind if I /msg you better instructions? |
| 00:20.08 | Guerin | NyteRukh: dmesg |
| 00:20.10 | bluefox83 | when is gaim-2.0.0beta going to be put in apt? |
| 00:20.21 | Guerin | bluefox83: betas almost never make it into debian |
| 00:20.30 | Guerin | bluefox83: so probably not until after release |
| 00:20.39 | bluefox83 | it is released |
| 00:20.49 | bluefox83 | oh, you mean not till after it's beta |
| 00:20.52 | hammerabi | bluefox83: when 2.0 exists |
| 00:20.56 | Guerin | bluefox83: obviously. |
| 00:21.00 | g3brown | benjamindees: would appreciate any help you could give. Leaning strongly towards shelling out another 300 bucks for a 3ware card. |
| 00:21.25 | benjamindees | g3brown, bah, that's not necessary :) |
| 00:21.27 | hammerabi | Aim_Here: why're you trying to compile it? |
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| 00:22.05 | Aim_Here | hammerabi, because some sod renamed a library it depends on, and I can't apt-get it |
| 00:22.56 | joe666 | hi, I have a serial ata disk, if I compile a kernel with scsi an libata support as modules using an initrd image, would my system be able to boot from that disk ? |
| 00:23.14 | NyteRukh | when i was booting this afternoon...i saw that linux no longer sees the onboard sound..using alsa and amixer...but i dmesg and dont see the mesg |
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| 00:24.13 | joe666 | sorry, I meant SATA support as module using an initrd image |
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| 00:24.49 | hammerabi | joe666: why bother making an initrd at all then? |
| 00:25.02 | Aim_Here | NyteRukh, /var/log/messages might be the file you're after. That or /var/log/syslog |
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| 00:25.26 | joe666 | hammerabi, this bootsplash thing, uses an initrd |
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| 00:26.05 | hammerabi | joe666: er, ok |
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| 00:27.17 | jaemillz | i have a wierd problem. I selected upgrade all in synaptic, but cancelled it out when i saw how long it'll take. now whenever i try to install a package, it tries to upgrade everything. |
| 00:27.18 | joe666 | hammerabi, I was just wondering, the initrd image is loaded by the kernel at boot time to get modules available, that would mean it will use the SATA driver in it to boot, but that's what I think, is it wrong ? |
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| 00:27.37 | crocop | hi, what linux command can .... delete all files in a directory with SEX in the file? |
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| 00:28.09 | tuv | jaemillz: clear markings or restart synaptic |
| 00:28.13 | Guerin | crocop: rm *SEX* |
| 00:28.15 | bbrazil | crocop: find -name '*SEX*' - print0 | xargs rm |
| 00:28.29 | joe666 | crocop, find /directory -iname "*SEX*" -exec rm {} \; |
| 00:28.35 | jaemillz | tuv: i trix that, it didnt work |
| 00:28.35 | menace | lol |
| 00:28.39 | crocop | im talkin sex, "inside" a filename |
| 00:28.44 | crocop | not filename |
| 00:28.50 | hammerabi | in the file, not the filename |
| 00:28.53 | hammerabi | stop confusing the issue |
| 00:28.53 | crocop | yeah |
| 00:28.56 | crocop | in the textfile to be prceise |
| 00:28.58 | menace | mum's searching your harddrive for pr0n? :o) |
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| 00:29.19 | jaemillz | tuv: any other suggestions/ |
| 00:29.42 | bbrazil | crocop: hmm, grep -rl SEX | xargs rm |
| 00:29.53 | Guerin | crocop: for file in *; do if grep sex $file; rm $file; done #untested |
| 00:29.53 | bbrazil | crocop: be very careful with that command, it isn't fully safe |
| 00:30.23 | tuv | jaemillz: what does "apt-get -f install" do? |
| 00:30.36 | Gnea | crocop: what's wrong with sex? |
| 00:30.40 | hammerabi | neither of those are safe, tho |
| 00:31.07 | crocop | because, its spam |
| 00:31.15 | crocop | i have spam mails in my mail queues |
| 00:31.18 | maher | unsafe sex? i don't approve |
| 00:31.25 | crocop | sex was just an example |
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| 00:31.35 | crocop | to get you horny virgins attention |
| 00:31.40 | Guerin | crocop: better to pipe them all through spamassassin or similar |
| 00:31.43 | hammerabi | crocop: uh, enough |
| 00:31.49 | Guerin | crocop: heh, nice. It worked, too. |
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| 00:31.54 | Gnea | why don't you install a real spam filter and get it taken care of? |
| 00:32.55 | Gnea | crocop: exim4+spamassassin+sa-exim=easy |
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| 00:33.26 | Gnea | crocop: just throw the mails into one mbox file and feed it to sa-learn |
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| 00:34.34 | mike-e | hi, i just reinstalled debian sarge and lost my second drive, i need to remount it, how can i scan to see what /dev/* address it has |
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| 00:34.48 | hammerabi | mike-e: dmesg | grep hd |
| 00:34.53 | hammerabi | if it's a ide disk |
| 00:34.57 | hammerabi | also, sudo fdisk -l |
| 00:35.04 | Gnea | mike-e: is udev running? |
| 00:35.16 | mike-e | Gnea, udevd yes |
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| 00:35.55 | Gnea | mike-e: ls -l /dev/hd<tab><tab> |
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| 00:36.00 | Gnea | mike-e: that's the tab key, twice |
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| 00:36.17 | danieldg | I'm having some problems with translucency/shadows in KDE - it makes screen updates very slow. Any ideas on what could be wrong? |
| 00:36.23 | kspath | I realize that wms are very personal taste but openbox does seem better than fluxbox |
| 00:36.33 | mike-e | ls -l /dev/hd |
| 00:36.35 | mike-e | oops |
| 00:36.51 | zcram | danieldg: your computer is too slow... buy a mainframe |
| 00:37.08 | mike-e | hda hda1 hda2 hda5 hdb hdb1 hdc |
| 00:37.31 | mike-e | it's a second drive with music and stuff on it |
| 00:37.37 | danieldg | zcram: er, I'm not sure that's the solution I'm looking for :) |
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| 00:38.55 | zcram | danieldg: turn off transparency, give up kde --..-? |
| 00:38.56 | mike-e | any help? |
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| 00:39.15 | mike-e | death to kde |
| 00:39.19 | zcram | danieldg: a decent gfx card with 2d acceleration might help too |
| 00:39.22 | Gnea | mike-e: it's probably hdb1 |
| 00:39.26 | bluefox83 | is there a tutorial anywhere on how to make source files and such into a .deb? |
| 00:39.31 | mike-e | Gnea, it won't mount |
| 00:39.31 | Gnea | mike-e: death to kde and gnome :) |
| 00:39.33 | hammerabi | danieldg: composite is slow, it's the way of the world |
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| 00:39.36 | Gnea | mike-e: why not? |
| 00:39.38 | mike-e | Gnea, indeed |
| 00:39.39 | hammerabi | bluefox83: www.debian.org/devel, new maintainer' guide |
| 00:39.46 | danieldg | zcram: I have transparency turned off, and it works fine. I have an nvidia GF4, with the binary module |
| 00:39.58 | mike-e | Gnea, can i privately paste this? |
| 00:39.58 | beardy | mike-e: Error message? |
| 00:40.00 | Gnea | actually KDE i like better, they didn't rip shit out like gnome has |
| 00:40.01 | bluefox83 | hammerabi, how about one where i don't have to become a package mantainer/ |
| 00:40.04 | beardy | !flood |
| 00:40.05 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:40.05 | bluefox83 | ? |
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| 00:40.10 | Gnea | mike-e: use #flood |
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| 00:40.35 | danieldg | I was wondering if there was a setting that could help |
| 00:40.38 | hammerabi | bluefox83: what on earth are you talking about? |
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| 00:40.51 | hammerabi | bluefox83: just read it and learn how to make packages |
| 00:41.02 | Gnea | mike-e: it's not formatted then, what's fdisk -l /dev/hdb produce? |
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| 00:41.21 | Bogaurd | hi... i've had one of the drives in my LVM die... but i've replaced it with an identical drive. how can i go about recovering the data on the other drives? the lvm still wont start up =\ |
| 00:41.23 | Aim_Here | bluefox83 I take it you had to become a system administrator in order to type in your root password |
| 00:41.24 | audi | hi, i finally installed debian and runned it. but.. the mouse doesn't work, and the resolution is :640x480 with 10 colors i think :P and i can't see anything |
| 00:41.27 | audi | how can i configure it? |
| 00:41.41 | audi | i can't open a console, and the system auto start the server x |
| 00:41.47 | mike-e | /dev/hdb1 * 1 1026 8241313+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 00:41.51 | Aim_Here | audi xf86cfg or xf86config? |
| 00:41.58 | audi | yes, but HOW?! |
| 00:42.01 | Aim_Here | xorgcfg or xorgconfig rather |
| 00:42.06 | audi | the system automatically run the server x |
| 00:42.10 | audi | and i can't see anything. |
| 00:42.18 | kspath | DeadSoul: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:42.27 | audi | i need stop the server x running |
| 00:42.32 | audi | how can i do it before it start? |
| 00:42.33 | audi | :P |
| 00:42.35 | Aim_Here | Type ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a text screen, then kill X |
| 00:42.41 | Aim_Here | Or ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 00:42.43 | hammerabi | Bogaurd: is it possible to recover at all from that? |
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| 00:42.48 | audi | ok i'll try, thanks |
| 00:42.48 | Aim_Here | from your X terminal to kil it |
| 00:42.53 | SerajewelKS | audi: what display manager are you using |
| 00:43.00 | karsten | audi: remove / disable [gkwx]dm |
| 00:43.04 | audi | i don't know what's a display manager |
| 00:43.04 | audi | :P |
| 00:43.05 | resiak | !nodm |
| 00:43.06 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 00:43.15 | karsten | SerajewelKS: More apropos wold be which X display manager. |
| 00:43.16 | SerajewelKS | !tell audi about enter |
| 00:43.28 | SerajewelKS | karsten: is that not what i said? |
| 00:43.30 | audi | i think fluxbox |
| 00:43.42 | bluefox83 | i just want to download some source packages from a site and create a binary package out of it..one i don't have to maintain >.> |
| 00:43.47 | Aim_Here | audi, that's the window manager. The display manager is xdm or gdm or kdm or wdm |
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| 00:43.49 | kspath | fluxbox is a window manager |
| 00:43.52 | SerajewelKS | audi: that's a window manager / desktop environment |
| 00:43.55 | audi | ah |
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| 00:43.59 | hammerabi | bluefox83: if you'd stop talking and actually read it, you could be done by now |
| 00:44.00 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Um.... um.... Stop being relevant! |
| 00:44.00 | pass | I have dual-booted debian and windows xp. Now I need to reinstall windows xp. This will overwrite the MBR. How do I reinstall grub into the MBR? |
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| 00:44.01 | audi | i think gdm |
| 00:44.02 | audi | but not sure |
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| 00:44.15 | SerajewelKS | karsten: lol |
| 00:44.17 | bluefox83 | hammerabi, you sent me to a site with a ton of stuff to sift through |
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| 00:44.26 | SerajewelKS | audi: apt-get -r gdm kdm |
| 00:44.29 | hammerabi | bluefox83: no, stop talking and actually read what I said |
| 00:44.32 | SerajewelKS | audi: then reboot |
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| 00:44.38 | hammerabi | bluefox83: the new maintainer's guide is the single document for you to read |
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| 00:45.20 | audi | why this Sememmon? :O |
| 00:45.23 | audi | SerajewelKS* |
| 00:45.36 | karsten | I think it's not getting SATA goodness in the initrd. |
| 00:45.36 | SerajewelKS | audi: wtf is a sememmon |
| 00:45.40 | audi | lol |
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| 00:45.52 | Omix | yop |
| 00:46.17 | tuv | audi: r u running stable or testing? |
| 00:46.21 | bluefox83 | hammerabi, you mean this gargantuan thing? > http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 00:46.30 | mbp | how can I disable the pc speaker on Debian? |
| 00:46.32 | Gnea | !u |
| 00:46.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:46.41 | SerajewelKS | mbp: reach into the case and unplug it |
| 00:46.58 | mbp | SerajewelKS, I'm quite sure it is possible to do another way. |
| 00:47.05 | SerajewelKS | mbp: *shrug* that's how i did it |
| 00:47.21 | Gnea | mbp: make sure the system is turned off first |
| 00:47.31 | Gnea | mbp: or if you use alsa, it should be in the mixer |
| 00:47.42 | Omix | meka t la ? |
| 00:47.44 | hammerabi | bluefox83: yup |
| 00:47.51 | Gnea | !fer |
| 00:47.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:47.52 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:47.53 | Gnea | !fr |
| 00:47.53 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:47.58 | benplaut | !repos |
| 00:48.00 | hammerabi | mbp: setterm for the console, 'xset -b' in X. |
| 00:48.15 | bluefox83 | hammerabi, i don't care to sift through a gigantic document, care to point out something a little more specific? |
| 00:48.29 | Omix | meka t la ? |
| 00:48.41 | hammerabi | bluefox83: stop whinging |
| 00:48.42 | Omix | akem ? |
| 00:48.53 | tuv | audi: the easiest thing to do is to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if you are running testing or unstable, or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" if you are running stable. then hit alt-ctrl-backspace |
| 00:48.57 | hammerabi | bluefox83: if your question is "how do I make quick and dirty packages?", apt-cache show checkinstall |
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| 00:49.41 | Aim_Here | Won't it be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for unstable by now? |
| 00:49.48 | gravity | Aim_Here: Yes, and testing |
| 00:49.52 | benplaut | if unstable/sid is supposed to be up-to-date (but broken occasionally), why doesn't it have gnome 2.12? |
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| 00:50.20 | bluefox83 | hammerabi, excuse me for not knowing the right questions to ask :/ |
| 00:50.24 | hammerabi | benplaut: because the gnome team have not uploaded it yet |
| 00:50.26 | Gnea | !tell omix about fr |
| 00:50.39 | benplaut | hammerabi, so... in a few months? |
| 00:50.45 | gravity | benplaut: In order to attempt to release etch on time, the release managers are trying to do things in a controlled manner rather than upload software the moment it's available |
| 00:50.52 | hammerabi | benplaut: presumably their website or mailing list has the specifics (pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome@lists.d.o) |
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| 00:50.58 | hammerabi | benplaut: I doubt that |
| 00:51.14 | hammerabi | bluefox83: it's not about knowing the right question to ask, it's about actually saying what you mean |
| 00:51.18 | hammerabi | and not being so whiney |
| 00:51.18 | benplaut | thanks |
| 00:51.28 | hammerabi | as bluefoxicy almost always is |
| 00:51.30 | lotusleaf | for a Debian stable install w/o X, should I use Bastille to auto-configure the firewall or some other cool easy to use tool? I know my other option is doing it myself, but.. :) |
| 00:51.44 | Gnea | whiney, like a little bitch |
| 00:51.46 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:51.46 | hammerabi | lotusleaf: bastille does all sorts of odd things to files |
| 00:51.47 | gravity | hehe |
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| 00:51.59 | hammerabi | lotusleaf: I'd use shorewall if you want a fairly simple to configure firewall |
| 00:52.04 | gravity | benplaut: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-12-15-14-19 |
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| 00:52.11 | bluefox83 | hammerabi, i asked how to make a binary without becoming a package maintainer, pardon me for not knowing that was a "dirty" package |
| 00:52.17 | benplaut | gravity, aye, i was just reading that |
| 00:52.23 | lotusleaf | hammerabi, thanks, I'll take a look at that :) |
| 00:52.28 | gravity | benplaut: Cool. That's the most up to date info I know of |
| 00:52.36 | Aim_Here | He's still got that whiny thing going on |
| 00:52.37 | beardy | for the record: |
| 00:52.38 | beardy | !bell |
| 00:52.39 | dpkg | i guess bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 00:52.44 | hammerabi | bluefox83: which is unrelated to what you actually wanted to know |
| 00:52.53 | SimonRaven | you want to be careful with bstille. it does things to files you don't expect (as a newbie anyway) |
| 00:52.54 | rafx | dh-make-perl is very, very cool :) |
| 00:53.08 | litage | using alien, how do you grab the preinst, postinst, etc scripts from an rpm? |
| 00:53.40 | kspath | isnt there something in shell to set that related to ^G |
| 00:54.09 | klock | man dpkg is handy |
| 00:54.10 | hammerabi | litage: if alien converts them, 'dpkg-deb -e foo.deb' |
| 00:54.16 | gravity | Was that really someone other than bluefoxicy? |
| 00:54.27 | gravity | Although that guy left for Ubuntu, so... |
| 00:54.32 | dondelelcaro | litage: rpm doesn't really have such a thing |
| 00:54.35 | hammerabi | it seems a bit unlikely there are two equally annoying bluefox*s |
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| 00:54.45 | hammerabi | but I guess it's possible |
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| 00:57.02 | Hooke | hi |
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| 00:57.39 | maver | hi all |
| 00:57.59 | Hooke | hi maver |
| 00:58.04 | litage | thanks hammerabi and dondelelcaro |
| 00:58.05 | klock | yo |
| 00:58.35 | maver | folks, I'm going to install debian but I have two questions |
| 00:58.41 | maver | I'd like to install it |
| 00:58.44 | maver | by net install |
| 00:59.02 | maver | on my notebook |
| 00:59.09 | maver | that is connected via wireless |
| 00:59.25 | Guerin | maver: one thought per line would be nice |
| 00:59.35 | Guerin | maver: take a deep breath and focus; you can do it. |
| 00:59.41 | maver | ok :) |
| 00:59.43 | hammerabi | maver: that's unlikely to work |
| 00:59.45 | Aim_Here | I think maver is in blank verse mode |
| 01:00.20 | klock | or maybe hes being dramatic |
| 01:00.27 | maver | unlikely? :( [what's "black verse"? :D] |
| 01:00.38 | maver | blank |
| 01:00.43 | Aim_Here | free verse |
| 01:00.47 | kspath | regarding BEEPing see readline variables bell-style |
| 01:00.51 | Aim_Here | Poetry that doesn't rhyme |
| 01:00.56 | klock | "Oh my god what have you done?!" "I tried to install debian. Wirelessly" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" |
| 01:01.14 | floundering | can I get apt-move to move non-free from cache into the local mirror? |
| 01:01.24 | hammerabi | maver: I don't believe many wireless cards are supported at the installer stage |
| 01:01.29 | hammerabi | floundering: yes |
| 01:01.51 | benjamindees | can anyone tell me what "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-11/include/asm-i386 does not exist." means when installing kernel-headers? |
| 01:02.01 | maver | uhm, there is a list of supported card anywhere? |
| 01:02.02 | kspath | oh lol beardy had answered that |
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| 01:02.29 | SerajewelKS | maver: chances are if it's not a generic card it's not going to work. break out the CAT5 cable. |
| 01:02.38 | hammerabi | benjamindees: you'd need to show us the whole error in #flood |
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| 01:03.44 | benjamindees | hammerabi, actually I think I figured it out, 2.6.8-11 is for AMD64 only? |
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| 01:04.14 | hammerabi | I do not know |
| 01:04.20 | floundering | hammerabi: thanks, How? |
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| 01:05.57 | dvs | good |
| 01:07.07 | maver | ok, just another stupid question: I've a RAID |
| 01:07.26 | maver | uhm |
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| 01:07.54 | maver | I don't know how to say "partizionare" in english... "partitionate"? |
| 01:08.20 | hammerabi | partition is the verb to create partitions |
| 01:08.23 | Guerin | partition |
| 01:08.29 | hammerabi | schvampen: please turn that off |
| 01:08.31 | Guerin | maver: it's both a verb and a noun |
| 01:08.32 | maver | ok, sorry for my ignorance |
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| 01:08.45 | dvs | !tell schvampen -about away |
| 01:08.54 | Guerin | maver: your english is way better than my italian |
| 01:08.59 | floundering | hammerabi: I added APTSITES='/all/' to apt-move.conf retrieved some non-free from ther official mirrors but apt-moves just leaves them in the cache. |
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| 01:09.07 | schvampen | sorry, using an old config |
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| 01:09.13 | maver | tnx for your support Guerin :) |
| 01:10.04 | maver | I've two harddisks as RAID0, during debian installation, will I be able to create a partition? |
| 01:10.26 | maver | file system is ntfs, because it was installed winxp on this notebook |
| 01:10.26 | smo_ | woo, i jus tried the new parallels workstation and installed xp on it, i can just say it s much much much faster than vmware |
| 01:11.09 | hammerabi | maver: is it actually raid or is it el-dodgo promise/si/intel software raid? |
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| 01:11.29 | hammerabi | maver: if it's real raid, then the installer will just see one disk, and you can simply shrink the windows partition on it |
| 01:11.33 | kangaroo72 | hi together :) |
| 01:11.40 | kangaroo72 | can someone help with pureftpd ? |
| 01:11.42 | maver | hammerabi: dunno :( |
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| 01:11.50 | maver | I'm a simple user, using a raid system :( |
| 01:11.54 | crocop | how long would it take to delete 500,000 files ? |
| 01:12.09 | SerajewelKS | crocop: that depends |
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| 01:12.20 | M4hd1 | hi |
| 01:12.21 | maver | less time that takes deleting 500,001 files :P |
| 01:12.22 | floundering | hammerabi: If i manually place the non-free in the mirror apt-move deletes them |
| 01:12.34 | kangaroo72 | when i type "pure-pw useradd testuser -u ftpuser -d /ftp" this message appears "You must give (non-root) uid and gid" Any Idea? |
| 01:12.41 | M4hd1 | what the bbest dvd burner for gnome? graveman, gcombust, xcdroast or what? |
| 01:13.00 | hammerabi | M4hd1: the file manager |
| 01:13.34 | cheal | M4hd1: maybe gnomebaker? |
| 01:13.34 | hammerabi | floundering: ok |
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| 01:13.34 | kspath | M4hd1: I like gnomebaker ok |
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| 01:13.35 | hammerabi | maver: then it's probably not actually raid, and you will have issues in the installer |
| 01:13.35 | [Cadet] | M4hd1: growisofs |
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| 01:13.54 | M4hd1 | hmm tkz guys :) |
| 01:14.13 | [Cadet] | M4hd1: man growisofs show example of pretty much anything you would ever need |
| 01:14.13 | kspath | M4hd1: on hardware side Plextor |
| 01:14.52 | alele | hi guys, could someone tell me why my goddamn usb camera won't mount? it says mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist :(( |
| 01:14.59 | maver | hammerabi: I'll try to disable it, before starting installation |
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| 01:15.44 | maver | last question: will I be able to resize winxp partition without losing my data? |
| 01:15.55 | sifi | how do I compile a sh script with csh? csh x.sh x.sh.c or something |
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| 01:16.09 | hammerabi | maver: yes |
| 01:16.13 | bird | anyone have read xine source code? |
| 01:16.14 | Aim_Here | 'sh script.sh' |
| 01:16.22 | kspath | lol |
| 01:16.24 | hammerabi | maver: you should make backups before using anything that fiddles partition tables, though. |
| 01:16.31 | hammerabi | sifi: "compile"? you mean run? |
| 01:16.31 | beardy | sifi: You don't. A script is run. sh script.sh, or make it executable. |
| 01:16.35 | hammerabi | bird: perhaps #xine |
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| 01:16.57 | cheal | bird: yes, from the first line to the last one |
| 01:17.06 | kspath | sifi: csh tcsh bash zsh ksh interept not compile |
| 01:17.06 | sifi | beardy, hammerabi you can compile them with csh |
| 01:17.11 | Gnea | sifi: csh is not the bourne shell |
| 01:17.11 | klock | maver: make sure to turn off virtual memory before you do |
| 01:17.12 | beardy | sifi: If it's shellspecific, shellname script.sh |
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| 01:17.15 | maver | ok, I'll move data on 2nd hd. then I'll go and install debian |
| 01:17.22 | kspath | sifi: and sh the bourne shell as well |
| 01:17.34 | maver | virtual memory? |
| 01:17.45 | eidolon | hey folks, anyone know if ftp.nerim.net has published a gpg signature? i'm getting : W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 01:18.00 | aaronlin | Hi, I would like to install OpenOffice.org 2.0. Is there a debian package available for it? |
| 01:18.00 | sifi | I meant shc |
| 01:18.03 | cheal | !tell eidolon about marillat key |
| 01:18.12 | hammerabi | eidolon: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 ; gpg --export 07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 01:18.17 | sifi | typos =) |
| 01:18.17 | cheal | aaronlin: yes, openoffice.org |
| 01:18.17 | kspath | sifi: csh and tcsh are one family while sh ksh bash zsh fall into another category |
| 01:18.18 | Gnea | aaronlin: openoffice.org |
| 01:18.20 | hammerabi | aaronlin: packages.debian.org |
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| 01:18.21 | Aim_Here | !tell Aim_Here about marillat key |
| 01:18.21 | eidolon | cheal / hammerabi thank you! |
| 01:18.27 | hammerabi | zsh falls into both |
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| 01:18.33 | aaronlin | thanks. Are they version 2.0? (I already have 1.1) |
| 01:18.40 | hammerabi | aaronlin: you can see for yourself |
| 01:18.40 | cheal | !tell Aim_Here about selftell |
| 01:18.43 | kspath | hammerabi: sorry |
| 01:18.48 | sifi | so does anyone know how to compile with shc? |
| 01:18.49 | hammerabi | aaronlin: it's certainly not in sarge, though |
| 01:18.51 | Gnea | not sure about sarge, but they are for sid and possibly etch |
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| 01:19.02 | cheal | aaronlin: depending on the release you run. 2.0 is only in sid for some time |
| 01:19.02 | Aim_Here | ty |
| 01:19.04 | Gnea | aaronlin: there might be a backport to sarge |
| 01:19.06 | hammerabi | aaronlin: #debian-oo may know more |
| 01:19.07 | Gnea | !backports |
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| 01:19.07 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 01:19.08 | eidolon | cheal: that factoid is about marillats's key, not nerim.net's. |
| 01:19.30 | beardy | sifi: It's documentation should know. But why? |
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| 01:19.42 | Gnea | eidolon: the filename in the url to wget will be identical |
| 01:19.43 | aaronlin | also, another question; I went to OO.org's website and they only had the package available in rpms. Should I try to use alien to install it? (will it be difficult?) |
| 01:19.50 | cheal | eidolon: ah, and it doesn't help? I don't use marillat myself |
| 01:20.01 | cheal | aaronlin: which release do you run? |
| 01:20.02 | bird | cheal:no ,i want known with SVCD part source code and how to implement |
| 01:20.03 | kspath | sifi: what is shc? I am quite ignorant of it |
| 01:20.05 | sifi | beardy, just testing around |
| 01:20.07 | Gnea | aaronlin: not a good idea |
| 01:20.08 | eidolon | i'm trying hammurabi's answer atm. |
| 01:20.11 | aaronlin | I am running 3.1 |
| 01:20.14 | aaronlin | Debian 3.1 |
| 01:20.29 | Gnea | i don't care. |
| 01:20.30 | sifi | kspath, shc - Generic shell script compiler |
| 01:20.35 | beardy | sifi: Ok. |
| 01:20.38 | Gnea | aaronlin: yeah, check for the backport |
| 01:20.39 | cheal | aaronlin: I believe there are OOo2 sarge backports |
| 01:20.46 | kspath | sifi: cool |
| 01:20.54 | kspath | sifi: but what is the point? |
| 01:20.56 | sifi | kspath, yes, thats cool |
| 01:21.15 | kspath | sifi: sounds cool but shells are weak compared to perl and python and C |
| 01:21.21 | bird | hammerabi:i want known with SVCD part source code and how to implement |
| 01:21.35 | litage | how do you create a system user that is *not* allowed/able to login? |
| 01:21.44 | cheal | bird: did you consider asking #xine? is there anything specific to debian in your issue? |
| 01:21.46 | sifi | kspath, to maybe send testscripts to one that you don't want to being able to view your source |
| 01:21.55 | kspath | sifi: I can see only one reason to compile trying to add a bit more security but seems a little much |
| 01:21.57 | hammerabi | bird: then find the authors, perhaps in #xine |
| 01:22.00 | aaronlin | thanks, will try |
| 01:22.03 | Guerin | sifi: stupid |
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| 01:22.16 | hammerabi | litage: adduser --disabled-login |
| 01:22.21 | litage | thanks hammerabi |
| 01:22.30 | kspath | sifi: you can compile perl and/or python and get security and power |
| 01:22.37 | eidolon | hammurabi / cheal - thank you, those commands worked perfectly for getting hte keys in. |
| 01:22.37 | BornTrador | good night@ll :> |
| 01:22.39 | eidolon | thanks again! |
| 01:22.47 | sifi | Guerin, I'm not doing that shit, I just tried to explain |
| 01:22.58 | Guerin | because compiling a script gives security |
| 01:22.58 | cheal | eidolon: no problem. if a factoid is wrong, feel free to fix it |
| 01:23.08 | cheal | eidolon: or explain me my misuse :) |
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| 01:23.21 | aaronlin | oooh |
| 01:23.24 | litage | hammerabi: actually, neither of my useradd nor adduser commands have --disabled-login ... |
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| 01:23.26 | aaronlin | it says OOo2 is available for sid |
| 01:23.29 | sifi | kspath, yes, but it's god to know different solutions, thats why I want to know shc |
| 01:23.32 | aaronlin | what is 3.1? Is it sarge? |
| 01:23.36 | gravity | aaronlin: Yes |
| 01:23.36 | cheal | !sarge |
| 01:23.37 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 01:23.40 | kspath | sifi: not sure it is a good idea I would not want to run something without the source like that could contain who knows what to root/own a machine |
| 01:24.10 | aaronlin | ok, so if I can do this all on apt, I will do it that way. How do I configure apt to pick up 2.0? |
| 01:24.20 | hammerabi | litage: at least 3.64 does. |
| 01:24.25 | hammerabi | aaronlin: that question is missing the point |
| 01:24.26 | kspath | sifi: although sufficiently long source can hide any number of things to own a machine |
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| 01:24.32 | hammerabi | aaronlin: you need to find packages for your version of Debian |
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| 01:24.41 | justin_ | ØAgape |
| 01:24.41 | justin_ | oDate .Jan. 15, 2006 |
| 01:24.41 | justin_ | oTime . 6:30 PM |
| 01:24.41 | justin_ | oHostess . Jo Ellen Puttmann |
| 01:24.41 | justin_ | oMeeting Place . 4805 Mayhew Ave. |
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| 01:24.43 | aaronlin | hammerabi: I cannot just install it for 3.1? |
| 01:24.45 | hammerabi | aaronlin: if it's sid, it's in the regular archive. if it's not, ask #debian-oo where to find it. |
| 01:24.48 | litage | hammerabi: hrmm, i have 3.77 |
| 01:25.00 | hammerabi | aaronlin: do you have OO2 packages for sarge? |
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| 01:25.09 | litage | hammerabi: heh, i'm blind. my bad :) |
| 01:25.16 | aaronlin | hammerabi: let me check |
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| 01:25.35 | sifi | kspath, ok, you maybe want to compile a script which require a password, thats a god idea |
| 01:25.43 | gravity | OO.o 2 is in sid, but there may be sarge backports |
| 01:25.44 | Guerin | sifi: why? |
| 01:25.56 | hammerabi | litage: ah |
| 01:25.58 | sifi | Guerin, because the file can include sensetive data |
| 01:26.04 | hammerabi | sifi: no |
| 01:26.11 | Guerin | sifi: then it should be encrypted |
| 01:26.13 | hammerabi | sifi: compiling a script that contains a password does you no good |
| 01:26.18 | sifi | Guerin, how easy? |
| 01:26.19 | smo_ | anyone know parallels workstation ??? need help with it |
| 01:26.24 | sifi | ok |
| 01:26.25 | Guerin | sifi: man gpg |
| 01:26.35 | sts9 | I had firefox working with java then unstable upgraded firefox now I cant get java to work, I tried downloading the java-package, fakeroot and the java RE bin and installing but firefox still doesnt load java. why is this such a big mess to install java???? |
| 01:26.37 | hammerabi | encrypting it does no good unless you ask the USER for the password |
| 01:26.40 | _joey | which package would provide these headers: sys/types.h sys/stat.h ctype.h etc |
| 01:26.46 | hammerabi | then you might as well just ask them for the actual password |
| 01:26.52 | Guerin | sifi: never distribute sensitive data in a script. Allow the user to set their own passwords, etc. |
| 01:26.57 | hammerabi | _joey: build-essential, also, http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 01:27.07 | hammerabi | !+find sys/stat.h |
| 01:27.07 | beardy | !anyone |
| 01:27.07 | sifi | Guerin, so binaries is not secure, they should not include sensetive data? |
| 01:27.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:27.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:27.11 | bird | hammerabi:thanks,let me see! |
| 01:27.12 | Guerin | sifi: or transmit credentials via a secure channel separately |
| 01:27.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sys/stat.h' (6 of 17): (/usr/include/sys/stat.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/include/llvm/Config/sys/stat.h) in devel/llvm ;; (/usr/share/cscc/include/sys/stat.h) in devel/pnetc ;; (/usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/stat.h) in devel/elks-libc ;; (/usr/include/diet/sys/stat.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev ;; (/usr/m68hc11/include/sys/stat.h) in devel/newlib-m68hc1x. |
| 01:27.27 | Guerin | sifi: correct. |
| 01:27.32 | _joey | thanks |
| 01:27.44 | sifi | Guerin, what should the sensetive data be in then? |
| 01:27.56 | beardy | sifi: Your head. |
| 01:28.04 | aaronlin | specifically, I'm lookig for a spreadsheet program |
| 01:28.05 | Guerin | sifi: depends what it is. |
| 01:28.08 | bird | hi |
| 01:28.12 | aaronlin | is Gnumeric any good, compared to OOo? |
| 01:28.13 | cheal | sts9: because!!!! |
| 01:28.14 | kspath | sifi: If a machine is passing data to another pass it to a useless user dir via rsync/ssh and let that machine use cron script or daemon to check data and parse it and implement whatever |
| 01:28.22 | hammerabi | aaronlin: you could just try it and see if you like it |
| 01:28.26 | bird | mely:hi |
| 01:28.27 | aaronlin | I need it to be able to make charts, etc. |
| 01:28.27 | sifi | Guerin, say a list of passwords |
| 01:28.28 | hammerabi | aaronlin: lots of people use it instead of excel |
| 01:28.39 | gravity | aaronlin: Gnumeric is better than OO.o in my experience |
| 01:28.39 | aaronlin | hammerabi: I played around with OOo Calc, but I wasn't able to get the charts to look right |
| 01:28.41 | Guerin | sifi: hard-coding data into a program is broken. The 1960s called, they want their programming style back. |
| 01:28.43 | hammerabi | sifi: if you have no idea what you're doing, you should be trying to write secure software |
| 01:28.44 | mely | bird:hi |
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| 01:28.49 | hammerabi | er, not |
| 01:28.50 | aaronlin | hammerabi: I wasn't sure if that was because I didn't know how to use it or if OOo was not complete |
| 01:28.51 | mely | hello |
| 01:28.54 | kspath | Guerin: lol |
| 01:29.04 | Guerin | sifi: an encrypted file distributed by some other method, with a separate key. |
| 01:29.23 | gravity | Although obviously gnumeric is only equivalent to one component of OO.o |
| 01:29.25 | pass | I reinstalled grub, but now I just get a grub prompt, it does not boot linux. How do I fix this? |
| 01:29.36 | kspath | sifi: and passed to a non-priviledged user on remote machines |
| 01:29.40 | sifi | hammerabi, this was nothing else then a idea I was getting from shc, nothing I am planing to do |
| 01:29.55 | sts9 | cheal: wow, it all makes sense now... |
| 01:30.18 | kspath | sifi: then a cron or daemon checks dir every X seconds/minutes/hours and confirms source of sender and validity and sense of it and logs it |
| 01:30.19 | cheal | sts9: see...it's not that hard! |
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| 01:30.27 | sifi | Guerin, right |
| 01:30.38 | hammerabi | sifi: storing private data in executables or scripts is not acceptable |
| 01:30.59 | sts9 | cheal: right. I should go back to gentoo |
| 01:31.03 | sifi | hammerabi, I get it |
| 01:31.05 | sts9 | cheal: thanx |
| 01:31.28 | kspath | sifi: unless it is your own personal data for your own consumption and you care not at all |
| 01:32.01 | aaronlin | why did OOo choose only to release the program in RPMs? |
| 01:32.12 | Guerin | aaronlin: lsb |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | do people actually use OO ? |
| 01:32.34 | sifi | kspath, exactly, like if im in a rush and need to hide the data in one minute without any internet connection and own devices |
| 01:32.37 | kspath | aaronlin: because deadrat is Linux debian does not exist </sarcasm> |
| 01:32.46 | hammerabi | aaronlin: because packages are not their problem |
| 01:32.52 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:32.55 | hammerabi | aaronlin: distributions create their own packages of the OO source |
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| 01:33.08 | Guerin | it's not like they're hard to convert |
| 01:33.10 | gravity | abrotman: I do a lot |
| 01:33.19 | aaronlin | ah |
| 01:33.27 | abrotman | gravity: what for ? |
| 01:33.31 | Gashad | Can I get a list of packages I've installed via apt-get???? |
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| 01:33.43 | dvs | Gashad: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 01:34.04 | hammerabi | Gashad: dpkg --get-selections | grep installed$ |
| 01:34.10 | kspath | sifi: ultimately no data is safe |
| 01:34.32 | gravity | abrotman: Word processing and presentations |
| 01:34.43 | abrotman | gravity: for school ? |
| 01:34.44 | kspath | sifi: at some point you have to think did I audit ALL of the code on my machines in order to be sure |
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| 01:35.03 | Guerin | hurrah |
| 01:35.07 | Guerin | work in 6 minutes |
| 01:35.11 | Guerin | and my ride still ain't here! |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | Guerin: if the ride arrives! :) |
| 01:35.19 | kspath | sifi: a key logger placed between your keyboard and your machine without you noticing can log all key presses regardless of platform |
| 01:35.23 | cheal | sts9: yep, gentoo is known to be much more user-friendly than debian. it particularly doesn't break even when you asked for it |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | cheal: ? |
| 01:35.51 | gravity | abrotman: Yep |
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| 01:36.02 | abrotman | cheal: you forgot the sarcasm tag |
| 01:36.06 | gravity | abrotman: OO.o lets me use linux where there wouldn't be any way |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | gravity: maybe that's why i don't use it :) |
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| 01:36.16 | litage | if you create a user like this: ``/usr/sbin/useradd -d "/var/www/scopserv" -s "/bin/bash" -c "ScopServ" -g "scopserv" scopserv'' no password will be set. will the user be able to login? |
| 01:36.23 | gravity | heh |
| 01:36.28 | aaronlin | if I didn't have OOo, I would have to go use Windows |
| 01:36.28 | Guerin | eee |
| 01:36.29 | kspath | sifi: security is relative to amount of effort you can put into it and intelligence of all potential attackers |
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| 01:36.36 | aaronlin | because I need it just for schoolwork, etc. |
| 01:36.36 | qknight | hey |
| 01:36.38 | Boukensya | hey guys. I am having trouble with pure-ftpd virtual users. Normal users work but virtual users dont |
| 01:36.46 | Guerin | my goal in life is to work for people who don't transmit collaborative documents in broken formats |
| 01:36.46 | qknight | i want to install debian unstable from a netboot cd, where can i download one? |
| 01:36.54 | beardy | litage: man 5 passwd ? |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | qknight: there isn't one |
| 01:37.05 | Guerin | in my current job i'd be HAPPY if everyone used MS Word format |
| 01:37.07 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 01:37.08 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:37.11 | cheal | abrotman: oops... |
| 01:37.25 | SimonRaven | who wants hanword? :P |
| 01:37.27 | cheal | sts9: </sid sarcasm> |
| 01:37.28 | qknight | ok what can i do if i want to install unstable, where can i get an netinst for testing? |
| 01:37.30 | gravity | qknight: Install a base stable system and then upgrade it to unstable |
| 01:37.38 | cheal | abrotman: thanks for the reminder |
| 01:37.39 | bird | cheal: i want to known when i presse the vcd pushbutton what to do with xine? |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | qknight: dpkg just said |
| 01:37.41 | Guerin | SimonRaven: damnyoutohell |
| 01:37.45 | Boukensya | Has anyone had exp. with virtual users with pureftpd? |
| 01:37.52 | dvs | !tell qknight about d-i |
| 01:37.53 | SimonRaven | Guerin: *grin* |
| 01:37.55 | Guerin | !anyone use virtual users with pureftpd? |
| 01:37.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses virtual users with pureftpd, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | Boukensya: isn't there a #pureftpd ? |
| 01:38.29 | Boukensya | abrotman, yeah, but I havn't had any success with people replying |
| 01:38.32 | cheal | bird: I have no idea about your question. if you have a xine question not specific to debian, ask #xine |
| 01:38.38 | SimonRaven | why oh why don't people think of checking the specific channel first... |
| 01:38.41 | kspath | I am not a genius but I am not stupid either yet I am an unemployed luser |
| 01:38.51 | Guerin | Boukensya: virtual users are easy in vsftpd |
| 01:38.57 | dvs | SimonRaven: Because we're just that damn good. |
| 01:39.06 | kspath | why are people not hiring unix/linux systems engineer/admins ?!?!?! |
| 01:39.07 | aaronlin | I had a homework assignment due today |
| 01:39.10 | SimonRaven | dvs: ha! :P |
| 01:39.11 | abrotman | kspath: still ? |
| 01:39.16 | aaronlin | last night I was scrambling to try to get the spreadsheet program to set the charts up right |
| 01:39.33 | aaronlin | what happens is, the data is all there, but I couldn't specify the window range, so it gave me these inappropriate graphs with lots of blank space |
| 01:39.35 | Boukensya | Guerin, they are supposed to be easy in pureftpd also but some reason its just not working |
| 01:39.36 | Guerin | kspath: they are, but it appears you have to fall below a certain standard to be hired. |
| 01:39.40 | kspath | abrotman: yes mea est luser |
| 01:39.46 | aaronlin | I know that by using excel, they automatically resize it for you, but I wasn't sure how to do it on OOo |
| 01:39.54 | aaronlin | furthermore, the OOo 1.1 provided by apt did not have documentation |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | kspath: move to the city! |
| 01:40.12 | Guerin | kspath: the number of people who come in here every week saying they're a sysadmin, and needing help with basic stuff like 'man interfaces' ... i should become a sysadmin |
| 01:40.17 | kspath | scary info I live in Chicagoland USA |
| 01:40.27 | abrotman | kspath: curse of the goat ? |
| 01:40.36 | cheal | aaronlin: there are documentation packages. I filed a bug about that being unclear, it should be fixed for OOo2 |
| 01:40.37 | aaronlin | ok, right now I'm trying to convert the rpms into debian packages. I typed alien - i *.rpm in the directory. Should this take several minutes? |
| 01:40.41 | kspath | I think I am just a luser |
| 01:40.46 | Guerin | aaronlin: yes, it takes ages. |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | kspath: i live outside philly .. not so hot here either |
| 01:40.55 | aaronlin | cheal: I'm glad I was able to use the excel at the library. |
| 01:40.57 | Guerin | aaronlin: there's a lot of data to un and decompress |
| 01:41.02 | kspath | I think I give off an I am desparate vibe or something |
| 01:41.02 | dvs | aardvarq: What package are you installing? |
| 01:41.05 | Guerin | er, s/de/re/ |
| 01:41.06 | aaronlin | it's a shame though, because I was hoping OOo would be able to replace MS office |
| 01:41.10 | dvs | oops |
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| 01:41.18 | lilo | (whoops ;) |
| 01:41.23 | gravity | aaronlin: Why are you converting the rpms? |
| 01:41.30 | bird | join #xine |
| 01:41.40 | aaronlin | becaues OOo 2.0 is released only in rpms |
| 01:41.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: fix your company's website |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: or dns .. whatever |
| 01:41.54 | aaronlin | I couldn't figure out how to use the dpkgs...I'm not very proficient on GNU/Linux |
| 01:42.01 | gravity | aaronlin: backports.org has OO.o 2.0 for sarge |
| 01:42.02 | odla | aaronlin: oo.org2 is at backports.org |
| 01:42.06 | gravity | geez |
| 01:42.07 | aaronlin | oh |
| 01:42.13 | aaronlin | I will look into it =) |
| 01:42.15 | kreg | any mirrors avail for the network install iso? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for i386 appears down |
| 01:42.21 | cheal | heh |
| 01:42.25 | odla | aaronlin: you just need java installed |
| 01:43.01 | Guerin | the debian oo.o works with gcj |
| 01:43.11 | Guerin | i'd hope the backports do as well |
| 01:43.11 | bucky | aaronlin, backports.org just started supporting sarge and they have OOo 2.0 |
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| 01:43.29 | abrotman | kreg: it's not down |
| 01:43.33 | Aim_Here | aaronlin, I find gnumeric is smaller and less bloated than OOo, but YMMV |
| 01:43.36 | aaronlin | odla, gravity, bucky: cool |
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| 01:43.44 | bird | cheal: thanks |
| 01:43.50 | loopdee | is it dpkg-reconfigure exim4 to reconfig exim ? |
| 01:43.57 | cheal | kreg: try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:44.04 | loopdee | or am i missing something? |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | kreg: oh .. i see what you're saying |
| 01:44.09 | cheal | !drec |
| 01:44.10 | dpkg | from memory, drec is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # Run it as root! |
| 01:44.14 | dvs | loopdee: I thought it was exim-config |
| 01:44.25 | loopdee | dvs: that may be why it isnt working for mer |
| 01:44.37 | dvs | loopdee: actually dpkg is right (as usual) |
| 01:44.51 | kspath | abrotman: I used to work for ATX ever hear of them? |
| 01:44.53 | loopdee | :) thanks |
| 01:44.53 | Guerin | exim-config was for exim3 |
| 01:44.59 | loopdee | thanks dvs, and dpkg |
| 01:44.59 | dpkg | pas de quoi, loopdee |
| 01:45.02 | loopdee | huh? |
| 01:45.09 | dvs | kspath: You used to work in a computer case? |
| 01:45.10 | loopdee | dpkg habla no esponal |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | kspath: they sound familiar .. wait .. the phone company ? |
| 01:45.20 | cheal | heh, dpkg is pretty smart :) |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | kspath: or telco .. whatever |
| 01:45.28 | loopdee | heh |
| 01:45.34 | npx | damn |
| 01:45.36 | kspath | abrotman: yeah for them the internet side in the merged company |
| 01:45.44 | npx | bittorrent with 6000 open connections per task = megalag |
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| 01:45.48 | abrotman | kspath: yeah .. my company used to use them .. then we stopped ... |
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| 01:45.57 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 01:45.57 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 01:45.58 | dabaSlon | How does the partition table have to be set up? I have a empty big 150GB primary partition on the beginning of the drive, and I set it to bootable. Then I have a 5GB non bootable primary partition for /, then 7.5GB primary for /home, then 1.4GB swap space. What is wrong with this picture? I can not install grub to /target. |
| 01:45.59 | kspath | abrotman: lol |
| 01:46.04 | sifi | what should I install to get emac? |
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| 01:46.16 | abrotman | dabaSlon: did you ask #ubuntu ? |
| 01:46.21 | kspath | sifi: emacs is quite large |
| 01:46.26 | dabaSlon | abrotman: dont troll, answer or shut up. |
| 01:46.27 | abrotman | kspath: we only used them for tel/longdistance |
| 01:46.29 | Guerin | sifi: emacs21 |
| 01:46.33 | abrotman | dabaSlon: are you using Ubuntu ? |
| 01:46.47 | dabaSlon | wtf does that have to do with partition tables, please? |
| 01:46.55 | gpm | hi everyone. my xorg won't start up, it complains: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0), but nvidia is loaded and the devices (nvidiactl, nvidia[0-3]) are all there |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | ask them .. troll |
| 01:46.56 | kspath | abrotman: they ordered all employees to get their phone service I did not lol |
| 01:47.06 | abrotman | kspath: that's not nice |
| 01:47.20 | kreg | any mirrors for net discs? |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | dabaSlon: if you want to use Ubuntu .. you get thier support .. /join #ubuntu |
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| 01:47.29 | abrotman | kreg: why ? |
| 01:47.36 | kreg | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 01:47.38 | kreg | seems down |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | kreg: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:47.44 | cheal | gpm: are you sure the X driver version matches the kernel module's version? |
| 01:47.45 | kreg | the i386 loinke anyhow |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | kreg: that URL will get you what you want |
| 01:48.03 | dvs | kreg: not for me |
| 01:48.06 | npx | That means the X driver isn't even installed |
| 01:48.12 | gpm | cheal: yeah, i even re-compiled, rmmod'ed, and modprobed |
| 01:48.18 | kreg | dvs, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and click on i386 is up for you? |
| 01:48.19 | npx | You have a broken installation of Nvidia's drivers. Re-install them. |
| 01:48.20 | _joey | !+find openssl/ssl.h |
| 01:48.22 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:48.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'openssl/ssl.h' (1): (/usr/include/openssl/ssl.h) in libdevel/libssl-dev. |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | kreg: yes .. that link is broken . use the URL i just gave you |
| 01:48.32 | cheal | npx: why would it complain about the nvidia module then? |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | _joey: /msg dpkg find blah |
| 01:48.46 | kreg | abrotman, working great. thank you much |
| 01:48.49 | dvs | kreg: The URL is not found. |
| 01:48.50 | _joey | okay |
| 01:48.54 | tuv | gpm: install nvidia-glx |
| 01:49.03 | npx | A lot of people here recommend 'the Debian way' of installing the Nvidia modules, but I personally prefer the installer on Nvidia's site. |
| 01:49.12 | kreg | okay. used that link today was fine, just figured it might not be well known was all. |
| 01:49.29 | gpm | cheal, not sure... |
| 01:49.36 | npx | cheal, the graphics driver consists of a kernel driver -and- an XFree86 driver |
| 01:49.37 | gpm | tuv: d'oh |
| 01:49.58 | Aim_Here | The nvidia script rebreaks everytime you reinstall xorg though |
| 01:50.00 | stew | gpm: do you need 3d accelleration? |
| 01:50.01 | cheal | npx: I know that. |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | Aim_Here: blame nvidia |
| 01:50.32 | npx | cheal, The point is: it's complaining about the XFree86 driver, not the kernel driver (which, as you say, is loaded) |
| 01:50.34 | cheal | Aim_Here: which script? |
| 01:50.35 | Guerin | Aim_Here: hush. Don't puncture his reality-distortion bubble |
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| 01:51.03 | Aim_Here | The one from the nvidia site. I just assumed that there wasn't a debian package for it, so it's what I'm dumb enough to use... |
| 01:51.07 | kspath | Guerin: lol |
| 01:51.10 | bucky | abrotman is in a reality bubble? |
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| 01:51.18 | tuv | gpm: i had the same problem, and it was solved right after i installed nvidia-glx |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | bucky: i am reality |
| 01:51.20 | npx | You have to run Nvidia's installer every time you reinstall Xorg or the kernel. |
| 01:51.22 | cheal | Aim_Here: well, there is |
| 01:51.30 | Guerin | bucky: yes, but it wasn't him I was referring to |
| 01:51.30 | npx | And I don't do that very often |
| 01:51.31 | kspath | you all are hilarious |
| 01:51.33 | gravity | People shouldn't be using that fucking driver anyway |
| 01:51.40 | dusk | heya, im trying to get my logitech mouse buttons to work with firefox.. ie: middle mouse button closes, and enable forward and back buttons to well.. go forward and back |
| 01:51.43 | npx | I get X and the kernel working and just use them until, for some reason, they don't work |
| 01:51.45 | cheal | npx: not necessarily |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | gravity: well .. if you'd get off your lazy ass and reverse engineer a decent one :) |
| 01:52.02 | bucky | gravity, what do you suggest.. nv ? |
| 01:52.06 | gravity | abrotman: Fuck that. People need to buy some hardware with decent support |
| 01:52.13 | bucky | matrox? |
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| 01:52.18 | abrotman | gravity: i have intel! . i'm innocent! |
| 01:52.21 | Aim_Here | And for 3d graphics that means .... ? |
| 01:52.21 | gravity | heh |
| 01:52.25 | tuv | gpm: did you use nvidia's installer or module-assistant with nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 01:52.28 | gravity | Sadly no one right now |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | Aim_Here: i have 3d graphics! |
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| 01:52.35 | cheal | gravity: do you suggest replacing a GPU by a second CPU? |
| 01:52.36 | kreg | you know the bad thing about having 8Mb DSL? rarely do any links go faster than 100k or 200k |
| 01:52.41 | gravity | Hopefully someone will step forward soon, not that it'll make a difference |
| 01:52.48 | cheal | tuv: he's gone |
| 01:53.03 | Aim_Here | Indeed, but I'll throw my money at an open graphics card, if there was one |
| 01:53.04 | npx | kreg, sure they do |
| 01:53.07 | bucky | abrotman, do you play tuxracer? |
| 01:53.10 | tuv | cheal: that was fast! |
| 01:53.15 | npx | kreg, I rarely download at less than 900kbps! |
| 01:53.19 | cheal | tuv: yeah |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | bucky: i can |
| 01:53.26 | gravity | Of course, pretty much anyone but nvidia at least has some Free 3d support |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | bucky: and gltron and stellarium .. and lots of GL stuffs |
| 01:53.37 | kreg | like iso's and stuff? |
| 01:53.39 | gravity | But that doesn't seem to change things much. Everyone still buys nvidia. |
| 01:53.41 | bucky | cool |
| 01:53.47 | tuv | nvidia is much better than ati! |
| 01:53.49 | cheal | npx: so there's an nvidia X module, or the error is wrong? |
| 01:54.00 | kreg | i find ati to perform so much better than nvidia for d3d |
| 01:54.05 | kspath | tuv: ? |
| 01:54.07 | bucky | i want the all in wonder HDTV |
| 01:54.12 | kreg | and xvid playback |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | bucky: why do you ask ? |
| 01:54.14 | gravity | tuv: Not for Free drivers it's not |
| 01:54.16 | petemc | gravity: who else, but nvidia and ati, makes decent cards? |
| 01:54.24 | gravity | petemc: Depends on what you need |
| 01:54.25 | rudo | heloo man and women I have big problem with the instalation debian in old IBM notebootk.I have hier only serial port cable , and I dont now how to make network connect with the serial port.Somen idea |
| 01:54.27 | npx | Everyone other than Nvidia has shitty Free 3D support |
| 01:54.31 | kreg | ati and linux however don't blend as easy as ati tho last i checked. |
| 01:54.34 | cheal | gravity: what kind of 3D support does ATI have? |
| 01:54.34 | bucky | abrotman, just wondered what you'd want 3d for |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | petemc: define decent .. what do you need 3d for ? |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | bucky: oh .. actually .. i don't use it at all :) |
| 01:54.50 | bucky | haha |
| 01:54.52 | abrotman | bucky: it just happens to work .. and decently well |
| 01:54.56 | cheal | npx: I think Intel's is fine |
| 01:54.57 | stew | cheal: the free support for ati goes up to the 9200 or 9250 radeons currently afaik |
| 01:54.58 | hammerabi | cheal: older cards have full 3d support in the Free drivers |
| 01:55.04 | petemc | abrotman: games, video rendering.. |
| 01:55.05 | gravity | cheal: Um... a lot of the cards are being reverse engineered, so there's a lot of support for 3d in the Free drivers |
| 01:55.08 | hammerabi | cheal: newer ones have some support, r200/r300.sf.net |
| 01:55.10 | kreg | voodoo2 ! |
| 01:55.11 | Gnea | rudo: slattach |
| 01:55.12 | gravity | The newer cards, less so right now, but it's being worked on |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | petemc: what kind of games .. |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | petemc: and i can render blender thingies on my laptop |
| 01:55.30 | kspath | I have wondered why use a 3D graphic card on these lame ass 2D displays |
| 01:55.31 | tuv | installing nvidia drivers in linux is much easier than ati's. i never could get ati's binary driver to actually work without hanging the system. nvidia's just work |
| 01:55.39 | rudo | is it program or .. some more info ..? |
| 01:55.48 | npx | The 7800GTX is the ownage. |
| 01:55.49 | petemc | abrotman: i dont care enough to get into this discussion, but the reality is, if you want a decent card, you get nvidia or ati |
| 01:55.53 | gravity | tuv: Then use Free drivers on your Free OS |
| 01:56.08 | cheal | tuv: you must have had some luck with nvidia's |
| 01:56.10 | Gnea | npx: so's your mom |
| 01:56.17 | tuv | gravity: that's what i'm doing now, but i'm losing some of the hw capabilities |
| 01:56.20 | abrotman | petemc: my video is decent .. but i'm not playing Quake27 .. |
| 01:56.28 | petemc | nor me |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | petemc: i have no need for anything more .. |
| 01:56.34 | tuv | cheal: i never had a problem with my nvidia card |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | petemc: and mine works just fine .. i can play all the GL games in debian .. works fine |
| 01:56.45 | gravity | Freedom ain't easy |
| 01:56.48 | npx | your right my mom does pwn noobs |
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| 01:56.57 | petemc | abrotman: i appreciate that, but you dont speak for the majority |
| 01:56.59 | kspath | I have wondered why use a 3D graphic card on these lame ass 2D displays I am waiting for 3D displays |
| 01:57.00 | abrotman | gravity: you say that .. like you have something holding you down |
| 01:57.00 | tuv | cheal: of course after the first time i could get it to run |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | and runs |
| 01:57.07 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:57.19 | dvs | abrotman: drunk |
| 01:57.22 | Gnea | npx: do you often find yourself awakening in the hospital? |
| 01:57.33 | abrotman | petemc: are you sure? .. i mean .. how many people in this channel game on debian ? |
| 01:57.33 | npx | no |
| 01:57.40 | crocop | how can i modify this ..... find . |xargs grep -l SEX |xargs rm ....... so that it outputs a message after each delete ? |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | petemc: that you know of . i mean |
| 01:57.53 | Guerin | if you're going to play gam3x0rz, you might as well use windows |
| 01:57.56 | kspath | I gave up games for linux |
| 01:57.58 | Guerin | the game's proprietary |
| 01:58.01 | bbrazil | crocop: probably a -v to rm |
| 01:58.05 | Guerin | the drivers are proprietary |
| 01:58.22 | npx | Guerin, amen |
| 01:58.24 | kspath | I do not run WinXP even though I own a legal copy XP |
| 01:58.28 | crocop | after xarg? |
| 01:58.28 | Guerin | it's not like you're doing anyone any favours by using a free software OS underneath it |
| 01:58.30 | rudo | IBM notebook have big problem he have CD but i but and I need copy there some software and I have only one posibility use serial port and I dont heve posibility install there slatach some ideas..? |
| 01:58.32 | Guerin | better yet, buy a console |
| 01:58.42 | abrotman | rudo: is it a 286 ? |
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| 01:58.48 | abrotman | :rube goldberg install |
| 01:58.52 | abrotman | bah |
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| 01:59.22 | Gnea | !any ideas |
| 01:59.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a handful of rabid ostriches. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 01:59.41 | Gnea | hrm |
| 01:59.41 | beardy | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:59.41 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:59.44 | Aim_Here | A free software OS means you're not at the mercy of the proprietary OS dealers, who are a lot nastier than the proprietary games pushers, other than perhaps Valve with that Steam shit |
| 01:59.48 | Gnea | i thought it said NSA not cops |
| 01:59.50 | rudo | this notebook dont have eny way to install any soft....... |
| 02:00.13 | kspath | I only have a serial paper tape reader |
| 02:00.21 | rudo | there is only basic debian and I need copy there some soft like X |
| 02:00.25 | beardy | rudo: No floppy drive? |
| 02:00.30 | rudo | NO |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | Aim_Here: proprietary is proprietary |
| 02:00.39 | cheal | gravity/hammerabi: I think having reverse-engineered 3D drivers for a card is an unreliable/poorly significative criteria for buying it over another one |
| 02:00.42 | Gnea | rudo: what's the model #? |
| 02:01.02 | beardy | rudo: Do you have Debian on it now? |
| 02:01.05 | rudo | 760XD IBM |
| 02:01.09 | Aim_Here | abrotman, there's proprietary and there's proprietary. |
| 02:01.09 | gravity | cheal: You don't think having Free drivers is important? |
| 02:01.15 | kspath | when I set these 8 switches to on off on off off off on off and hit inc switch all the lights blink once what is wrong? |
| 02:01.50 | cheal | gravity: if they're known to work fine, yes, but r300 seems unreliable |
| 02:01.59 | gravity | cheal: It's kinda important for the X maintainers to be able to, you know... read the code for the drivers to check on bugs |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | Aim_Here: fine .. whatever you say |
| 02:02.09 | cheal | gravity: I admit never trying them, though |
| 02:02.10 | rudo | yes one man install there basic debian but is hay head so fuck him and I have big problem |
| 02:02.11 | gravity | cheal: I have to literally close every single bug report from an nvidia user |
| 02:02.22 | gravity | cheal: So those people get 0 support from us |
| 02:02.27 | Aim_Here | abrotman, Well Quake 1-3 aren't evil. Proprietary data sets running on GPL code |
| 02:02.39 | beardy | rudo: hay head? |
| 02:02.41 | gravity | cheal: So if you want your bugs to actually get looked at and maybe fixed, you need to run open drivers |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | Aim_Here: i don't care .. leave me alone .. |
| 02:02.55 | cheal | gravity: I completely understand your frustration against proprietary drivers and share it. |
| 02:03.01 | gravity | cheal: Obviously you don't |
| 02:03.11 | gravity | cheal: Or else you wouldn't be recommending buying a card without Free drivers |
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| 02:03.17 | abrotman | Aim_Here: if you want free games .. write them .. a proprietary game is proprietary |
| 02:03.25 | abrotman | gravity: intel! |
| 02:03.28 | gravity | abrotman: Works for me |
| 02:03.30 | cheal | gravity: I'm not recommending to buy NVIDIA |
| 02:03.32 | kspath | Quake is evil spawn sent to distract from the one true lang scheme |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | gravity: me too .. except that screensaver thing :) |
| 02:03.42 | rudo | marihuana head smook and smoo , and after 2 houre i crack the pasword becosee he forget |
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| 02:04.27 | gravity | abrotman: xscreensaver is a horrific hack anyway |
| 02:04.43 | Aim_Here | abrotman, Tsk. The object of the exercise is to make sure that your software producers don't have power over you. When your OS breaks because of some serial code malfunction, they have all the power |
| 02:05.03 | rudo | I nedd make serial port network for install Xsystem and other staff |
| 02:05.08 | Aim_Here | When some trivial end-user app breaks, it's much less of a loss. |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | Aim_Here: but it's ok for you to use a closed driver from nvidia ? |
| 02:05.37 | Aim_Here | It's not okay, but it's a compromise I'll put up with until some lovely wonderful person makes a free graphics card or a free driver |
| 02:05.39 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. i stumble across that email that fieldy send about you every once in a while when searching for something related to my nick |
| 02:05.49 | gravity | abrotman: Heh, cute. |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | Aim_Here: you're being a hypocrite |
| 02:05.58 | Aim_Here | I'm being a pragmatist. |
| 02:05.59 | bleaked | cheal. what is a nice card with open drivers? |
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| 02:06.06 | gravity | Aim_Here: There are far more free drivers available if you buy the card for them |
| 02:06.17 | dusk | erm.. i just changed my settings in xorg.conf to read as ZAxisMapping "6, 7" : this tutorial says I need to edit an xintrc or .Xmodmap to pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5. (im trying to get my side buttons working in firefox with a logitech mx518) |
| 02:06.22 | abrotman | Aim_Here: fine .. whatever .. you can't argue for a free OS and argue it's merits .. and then say that Nvidia closed drivers are ok |
| 02:06.23 | Aim_Here | I'd be hypocritical if I denounced someone for using non-free software. As it is, I merely prefer free software whenever possible |
| 02:06.32 | dusk | i cannot locate either file |
| 02:06.34 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: there's idealism, which generally gets you nowhere. and there's practicality, which gets you a lot further and makes compromises. |
| 02:06.38 | dvs | dusk: There is no comma in between 6 and 7 |
| 02:06.44 | Aim_Here | I didn't say it was okay |
| 02:06.48 | dusk | dvs: okay |
| 02:06.50 | gravity | SerajewelKS: Idealism got the GNU project pretty far |
| 02:06.55 | cheal | bleaked: with nice open 3D drivers? I don't know any satisfying answer. Intel is highest in my ranking, but...that's a pretty low performance |
| 02:06.57 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ESR, I didn't recognise you! |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: yeah .. like SUPER COOL OMFG graphics for your shiny new game .. |
| 02:07.00 | dusk | dvs: what should i do next |
| 02:07.03 | beardy | Aim_Here: You are "open source". |
| 02:07.06 | rudo | there is CD but is broken is only way make serial or paralel but now I have onlly serial cabel |
| 02:07.06 | dvs | dusk: I don't know |
| 02:07.08 | SerajewelKS | gravity: the GNU project doesn't make video cards, last i checked |
| 02:07.11 | dusk | dvs: cool thx |
| 02:07.20 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, they make something far more useful and important. |
| 02:07.27 | gravity | SerajewelKS: That wasn't what you said though. You made a blanket statement about idealism and pragmatism. |
| 02:07.39 | gravity | SerajewelKS: Besides, what does playing games have to do with being pragmatic? |
| 02:07.43 | Aim_Here | I'm not open source. I support the free software idea for the free software reasons. I'm just not as fanatical as you guys. Or maybe I'm lazy or something |
| 02:08.02 | SerajewelKS | gravity: well, i meant the blanket statement to not be one... i meant it specifically when it comes to video card drivers |
| 02:08.10 | bleaked | cheal. hrm..too bad. didn't think there really were any. you sort of made it sound like they were out there :] |
| 02:08.12 | rudo | nobody help my ...?? |
| 02:08.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: you still can't get very far with games without a video card. and i happen to like games. |
| 02:08.31 | gravity | As the guy who's right in the path of all this for this distro, "pragmatism" doesn't get you that far when it comes to support |
| 02:08.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: the point gravity made above, about there being more free drivers if people buy the cards for which they exist in preference to the cards without, holds. |
| 02:08.42 | rudo | only have to make serial network ..? |
| 02:08.53 | kspath | back in ancient times Matrox was the one true card |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | i blame lazy programmers .. if they'd stop using bloated libraries .. and just write ASM .. i'm sure we could all still play Quake3 on a CirrusLogic card! |
| 02:08.55 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: buy a console. They're made for games. |
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| 02:09.01 | gravity | kspath: I wish. I love their 2d |
| 02:09.14 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: consoles aren't open-source either. your point? |
| 02:09.17 | Aim_Here | Consoles are heinously unfree |
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| 02:09.39 | RelDrgn | yarr |
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| 02:09.47 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, but there's no real choice when it comes to consoles. They're not computers, they're game machines. |
| 02:09.48 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Which architecture/hardware is? |
| 02:09.53 | Guerin | at least be honest about what you want |
| 02:10.11 | kspath | I play my muzik on a regular CD player and my DVDs on a regular DVD player to keep my CPU cycles free for other stuffs |
| 02:10.14 | Aim_Here | But the PC is a decent games machine in it's own right |
| 02:10.20 | Guerin | yes, I know you can run gnu/linux and netbsd on some; that doesn't materially change my point. |
| 02:10.23 | bleck | are there any decent linux pdas? |
| 02:10.25 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i like PC games for the same reason i like linux. i'm not tied to some particular hardware. |
| 02:10.26 | cheal | bleaked: unfortunately not. I'm going to be happy if that day comes. the point I was trying to make with gravity is that there's indeed nothing AFAIK above Intel, so there's little point in preferring ATI to NVIDIA |
| 02:10.29 | Guerin | bleck: zaurus. |
| 02:10.30 | Aim_Here | There's the GP2X, bleaked |
| 02:10.32 | hammerabi | bleck: nokia 770 |
| 02:10.35 | Aim_Here | bleck even |
| 02:10.37 | rudo | hey people I have there one man i 3 day talk him abaut linux and now I have problem with the old style serial PS/2 coection some ideas...? or.... |
| 02:10.55 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: wtf? You like proprietary games for the same reason you like a free OS? |
| 02:10.58 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: windows is moving towards unified hardware with this trusted computing and HCL crap, and i don't need to tell you about apple. consoles are worse. |
| 02:10.58 | kspath | if I were to game I would like buy console or buy a stand alone MS Gaming box that was protected by a linux firewall |
| 02:10.59 | Guerin | !pal SerajewelKS |
| 02:11.08 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i like a PC as a *gaming machine* |
| 02:11.12 | cheal | bleaked: you can be sure that ATI/NVIDIA/etc flamewars on #debian wouldn't be as frequent if there was a good choice |
| 02:11.13 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: but consoles will ALWAYS be able to play games. |
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| 02:11.22 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i like my bzflag and my scorched3d, thanks |
| 02:11.30 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: and since they're no good for anything else, you might as well use them for that. |
| 02:11.31 | bleck | can you get a console up on any of them? |
| 02:11.35 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: so will my desktop, with decent drivers |
| 02:11.47 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, not necessarily. |
| 02:11.54 | bleck | and a hardware qwerty keyboard? |
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| 02:12.02 | gravity | bzflag and scorched3d both run on my Free ati driver |
| 02:12.04 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: what, opengl is going to become unstable? sdl is going to die? |
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| 02:12.25 | Thanatermesis | what about ETCH ? i have a lot of packages for upgrade in in this 3 last days... |
| 02:12.32 | rudo | linnux is about supportet ideas somebody help with this proble or we are solwe only your problems...? |
| 02:12.34 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no. Just that people will stop making games for computers if consoles achieve the sort of dominance MS and Sony want them to. |
| 02:12.52 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i highly doubt the FOSS community will stop making games |
| 02:12.55 | Guerin | and I, for one, won't be too sad about that |
| 02:13.09 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: sure. The sort of games which don't need proprietary drivers to play. |
| 02:13.10 | Aim_Here | Why, Guerin? Don't you want gamers to be free too? |
| 02:13.28 | hammerabi | rudo: complaining is of no use |
| 02:13.28 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: no. the sort of games that use opengl and hence don't give a crap what driver they're using. |
| 02:13.33 | orchid | so rudo you need to set up a serial port to connect to the notebook? |
| 02:13.34 | hammerabi | rudo: perhaps you could try your local lug list |
| 02:13.37 | cheal | Thanatermesis: thats quite imprecise |
| 02:13.52 | dvs | orchid: to do an install |
| 02:14.11 | Guerin | Aim_Here: what I want and what I can expect are different things. Games aren't ever going to be free on a large scale, because huge amounts of the work that goes into them is legitimately non-free - art, design, story, etc. |
| 02:14.25 | Guerin | Aim_Here: like movies, and music. |
| 02:14.44 | rudo | yes and need make network conect with two computers one is in inernet and one is alone |
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| 02:14.53 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: oh, so I can play *any* opengl game on my tnt2 with free drivers? Good to know! |
| 02:14.57 | Aim_Here | But the games industry might be forced into change, Guerin |
| 02:15.01 | _joey | abrotman: Remember I was talking to you about madwifi yesterday? I couldn't load the modules using bot's suggestions. Well, I downloaded the source for madwifi and wpa supplicant, manually compiled the driver loaded and got my wireless link going |
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| 02:15.04 | abrotman | Guerin: of course not?! |
| 02:15.05 | kspath | if you want a free game get a chess or backgammon board as a gift from someone and find someone to play? |
| 02:15.08 | cheal | and, of course, governments don't produce much free games...like for software |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | _joey: that was earlier today |
| 02:15.22 | _joey | something is not right with bot;s suggestions |
| 02:15.23 | Guerin | Aim_Here: that would require changing not the game industry, but the artist, writer, music industries. |
| 02:15.27 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: so long as the graphics aren't too complicated, yes. there are low-quality options for that purpose. |
| 02:15.32 | Aim_Here | Nowadays, we have much better technology than the Medieval French, but nobody could afford to build the Notre Dame Cathedral these days |
| 02:15.32 | Thanatermesis | cheal im not have upgraded from 3 days ago... now, i have a lot of packages for ugprade, 150 Mb for download |
| 02:15.33 | _joey | abrotman: for you it was :) For me it was yseterday :) |
| 02:15.39 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 02:15.42 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... looks to are because a "xorg upgrade" |
| 02:15.44 | abrotman | _joey: ok .. good deal |
| 02:15.49 | Guerin | Aim_Here: are you really saying you think *all* art, music, story, etc. should be free? That copyright should be done away with entirely? |
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| 02:15.55 | cheal | Thanatermesis: that's quite possible |
| 02:16.01 | Aim_Here | So we build smaller easier buildings. I imagine games might end up going a similar route when it becomes unfeasible |
| 02:16.01 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: except that that's plainly false. |
| 02:16.13 | rudo | there is only based debian without X and other staff |
| 02:16.18 | cheal | Thanatermesis: just complain to gravity that he makes non-modular crap :) |
| 02:16.28 | Aim_Here | I'm not sure what SHOULD be done about those, but the idea that it costs $80 million to make a game isn't really sustainable at the moment |
| 02:16.33 | gravity | working on it |
| 02:16.38 | gravity | As we speak |
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| 02:16.51 | Aim_Here | Given that 4/5 of those games won't make a profit |
| 02:16.52 | brady | can somebody explain the actual differences between imagemagick and graphicsmagick, and why i should be picking one over the other? |
| 02:16.53 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i don't see a lot of FOSS games with a high demand on 3d rendering. i mean look at bzflag. a couple thousand polygons at best. |
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| 02:17.20 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: anyway, my point being that i don't see the PC game market collapsing in the near future. and i still don't quite get what point you're trying to make. |
| 02:17.45 | rudo | is it posible sommethink like ppp0 with the serial port or not...??? |
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| 02:18.29 | kspath | sometimes people are not trying to make a point as much as exploring/testing ideas or perhaps trying to get others to see other areas of thought on a given subject |
| 02:18.31 | liberion | hey guys today i bought a intellinet wireless g usb adaptor how do i activate it in slackware? |
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| 02:18.39 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: my point is that the free game market will never keep pace with the commercial market, and if the commercial market chooses to make games available only for consoles, your game PC will quickly become a relic. |
| 02:18.50 | hammerabi | rudo: of course |
| 02:18.52 | rudo | I iam look for some text but I dont found nothink some ideas |
| 02:19.03 | hammerabi | rudo: it's called slip, but you will need to talk to your local lug, or the debian-user-cz list |
| 02:19.08 | liberion | it work fine in windows but i dont know how to get it working in slack |
| 02:19.19 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i don't see that happening anytime soon though |
| 02:19.27 | rudo | yes but there is nobody soryy.... |
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| 02:19.28 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I do. |
| 02:19.31 | crocop | is it possible to have a faster executing script than this ? find . |xargs grep -l SOME_FILTER_WORDS |xargs rm -v |
| 02:19.58 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: Or, alternatively, I see it being worked into TC, in which case your options will be moot. |
| 02:20.00 | Aim_Here | Guerin, why would that happen? Until the XBox720 dominates everyone's living room, there will always be more PC owners than console owners |
| 02:20.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: with all the money nvidia and ati have invested in game pcs, do you think they'll stand idly by while MS and Sony take over the game market without even making deals with game developers? |
| 02:20.05 | Aim_Here | and I don't see THAT happening |
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| 02:20.16 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yes, TC is quite scary |
| 02:20.18 | rudo | dome ideas...?????? |
| 02:20.32 | rudo | only fucking serial port |
| 02:20.35 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: they won't have a choice, they're nickel-and-dimers |
| 02:20.50 | Aim_Here | SerajewelKS, remember that ATI and Nvidia had one card each in each of the XBoxen |
| 02:20.52 | agney | does anyone know how to make the vcom mouse works ? |
| 02:21.01 | beardy | brady: graphicsmagick? Seems to not be in Debian, so imagemagick. |
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| 02:22.43 | rudo | paralell port is easy ifconfig ppp0 .... but serial ....????? |
| 02:22.44 | Aim_Here | Anyways, Sony's PS3 will apparently be supporting Linux out of the box and may even be a relatively open platform as these things go... |
| 02:22.46 | sifi | where is the LC_MESSAGES variable, that spec. which language to print man pages with? |
| 02:22.54 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: well you might be right... i hope not. now excuse me while i go play a non-free game using my non-free nvidia driver. |
| 02:23.04 | Guerin | Aim_Here: yeah, right. Sony, open. Pull the other one. |
| 02:23.05 | jbroome | heathen! |
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| 02:23.26 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: since you're not using your freedom, can I have it? |
| 02:23.32 | botsy | do you know where it(s possible i find the package libxslt-proc ? i have make apt-cache search and i go to debian.org for getting package but i don't find it .... please help me .... |
| 02:23.35 | rudo | nobody help ..??? |
| 02:23.45 | Guerin | rudo: no idea, mate. |
| 02:23.54 | cheal | sifi: you can use $ locale; to see its value |
| 02:23.55 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i'm free to choose non-free, am i not? nvidia is the only part of my kernel that's not free software. |
| 02:24.06 | rudo | so you write me is no way ...??? |
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| 02:24.18 | gravity | rudo: You may want to seek support in your native language |
| 02:24.20 | dvs | rudo: I can do installs with CD-ROMs, floppies and USB sticks but not by serial cable |
| 02:24.24 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I'm only a little bit addicted to crack... |
| 02:24.44 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: this "100% FOSS environment" idea is nice, but until nvidia comes out with a free driver for their cards, i'm kinda screwed. and i'm not buying another card just to please you. |
| 02:25.00 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I'm not asking you to do anything to please *me* |
| 02:25.09 | rudo | there is no CD no floppy no USB ... |
| 02:25.14 | crocop | is it possible to have a faster executing script than this ? find . |xargs grep -l SOME_FILTER_WORDS |xargs rm -v |
| 02:25.16 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: good, that's what i like to hear |
| 02:25.25 | Guerin | rudo: take the hard disk out, put it in another machine, install. |
| 02:25.31 | benjamindees | can I copy modules to a floppy to automatically be used by the installer? |
| 02:25.41 | dvs | not a single luxury? |
| 02:25.43 | Guerin | crocop: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 02:25.49 | rudo | I dont have slot..? is no way with serial port |
| 02:26.09 | Guerin | rudo: installing over a serial port will be *incredibly* slow |
| 02:26.12 | Guerin | if it's even possibl;e |
| 02:26.15 | SerajewelKS | crocop: aside from the fact that that script won't work... |
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| 02:26.57 | dusk | where do I put xmodmap -e "pointer = akjlsdfjj" into? it saying .xinit or .Xmodmap.. but I cant find either of these files |
| 02:27.00 | rudo | no problem what qesion is how to make...? |
| 02:27.11 | Guerin | dusk: .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 02:27.38 | dusk | guerin: cant find those from /home/dusk |
| 02:27.49 | dusk | can I make one? |
| 02:27.53 | rudo | tjis old notebook is normaly slow I need only install there some staff |
| 02:27.56 | Guerin | dusk: yes |
| 02:28.09 | Guerin | rudo: i already told you the smartest way |
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| 02:28.52 | aTypical | Hello all. What version of gnome is unstable running? |
| 02:28.55 | rudo | yes but is way how..? |
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| 02:28.59 | gravity | aTypical: 2.10 |
| 02:29.05 | Guerin | rudo: take the hard disk out, put it in another machine, install. |
| 02:29.12 | aTypical | gravity, thank you. |
| 02:29.14 | dvs | rudo: He said put the hard drive in another computer and install |
| 02:29.17 | gravity | aTypical: No problem |
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| 02:29.44 | rudo | is it notebook and I dont have port for this slot |
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| 02:30.05 | Guerin | rudo: buy an ide->mini-ide adaptor for $10 |
| 02:30.20 | rudo | I dont have |
| 02:30.30 | Guerin | rudo: hence BUY |
| 02:31.02 | kspath | buy as in purchase acquire appropriate |
| 02:31.03 | rudo | I like mhave to solve this probblem now .... |
| 02:31.34 | kspath | wow |
| 02:31.34 | rudo | BAY BAY I im poor man |
| 02:32.24 | Guerin | rudo: i'm sorry, I can't help you. I have no idea how to do an install over a serial port. |
| 02:32.51 | SerajewelKS | rudo: what |
| 02:32.57 | SerajewelKS | rudo: what's wrong with using ethernet |
| 02:33.00 | rudo | I now about is way with the serial port BAY is nno way I only need how to make network connections with the serial port |
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| 02:33.22 | Guerin | rudo: you can use a null modem cable |
| 02:33.30 | kspath | uucp via serial? |
| 02:33.37 | rudo | I dont need install ,in this mashin is basic/100MB/ debian |
| 02:33.39 | beardy | SLIP |
| 02:33.46 | Guerin | but I bet you don't have one o' them either |
| 02:34.24 | rudo | how to use SLIP..? |
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| 02:35.00 | kspath | slip is a protocol most often used for connecting to isps via modem like ppp |
| 02:35.01 | beardy | rudo: Or PLIP, which is faster, if you have a paralellport. |
| 02:35.12 | dvs | beardy: doubt it |
| 02:35.13 | sifi | is not jidgo a part of Debian? |
| 02:35.17 | beardy | dvs: yeah.. |
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| 02:35.28 | dvs | sifi: jigdo-lite |
| 02:35.42 | dvs | !info jigdo-lite sarge |
| 02:36.02 | sifi | dvs I can't find it on apt either |
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| 02:36.24 | dvs | !info jigdo-file sarge |
| 02:36.25 | rudo | yes I have paraller and experience with him , but I dont have hier cable and I found hier serial port |
| 02:36.27 | dpkg | jigdo-file: (Download Debian CD images from any Debian mirror), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.7.1-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 218 kB, Installed size: 575 kB |
| 02:36.30 | dvs | aha! |
| 02:36.32 | beardy | kspath: ppp is used instead of slip almost always nowadays, isn't it? |
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| 02:36.53 | loopdee | gets your kicks on route 66 |
| 02:36.59 | loopdee | heh |
| 02:37.21 | kspath | beardy: what little ppp there is is pppoe on some dsl modems and whateever few people still you analog modems running v.92? |
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| 02:37.45 | kspath | beardy: I am out of touch on dialup stuffs |
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| 02:38.09 | kspath | before slip ppp was uucp mostly |
| 02:38.10 | beardy | kspath: Analog? Those were really a long time ago since they were common ;) |
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| 02:38.26 | kspath | analog is still common |
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| 02:38.38 | kspath | just being more specific |
| 02:39.00 | rudo | This notebootk is hard staff .My friend give me notebook with linux debian hard base but without root password.3hours I crack him and I now found abaut there is no Xsystem only base debian Can help my whith this mshin |
| 02:39.08 | sifi | dvs, thx |
| 02:39.09 | beardy | kspath: Oh, I thought you meant voicemodems I guess. |
| 02:39.17 | dvs | sifi: no problem |
| 02:39.31 | kspath | voicemodems? |
| 02:39.49 | Guerin | rudo: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 02:39.55 | kspath | 300bps acoustic couplers ? |
| 02:40.09 | dos000 | is there a way to see commands typed by someone as they type it *and* see the output of the command *and* no x involved ? |
| 02:40.11 | beardy | kspath: accoustic, that's the word, yes. |
| 02:40.19 | kspath | or 1200bps dialup by hand and throw the switch modems? |
| 02:40.23 | dos000 | this is for a training |
| 02:40.31 | Phated | dos000: screen? |
| 02:40.39 | Phated | screen(1), even. |
| 02:40.41 | Guerin | dos000: screen -x |
| 02:41.05 | dos000 | Phated, i never knew you could have two people connected to the same screen session ... way to go ! |
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| 02:41.17 | rudo | there is no internet conection I need serial connection for this apt-get install Xfree xdm ..........I tryr this |
| 02:41.22 | dvs | !beer Phated |
| 02:41.28 | Phated | \o/ |
| 02:41.37 | Guerin | screen can do anything - except easy buffer scrolling |
| 02:41.41 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:41.42 | Tortel | !advice |
| 02:41.42 | dpkg | advice is probably something for which you must pay attention. Many people get irritated if they have to repeat themselves |
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| 02:41.54 | kspath | I used acoustic coupler 300bps modems for a while but it kicked butt to get a 1200bps dial by hand and throw the switch modem |
| 02:42.13 | kspath | I used to download things using kermit and other protocols |
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| 02:42.23 | kspath | things have changed so much |
| 02:42.25 | dos000 | Guerin, so opening vim will suck ? |
| 02:42.35 | Phated | I use vim in screen. WFM. |
| 02:42.43 | Guerin | dos000: no, that uses vim's scrolling method - no problem |
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| 02:43.05 | Guerin | dos000: i'm talking about the console shift-pgup |
| 02:43.26 | Guerin | in screen it's C-a ESC pgup |
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| 02:44.34 | Guerin | dos000: wtf would I want virgins? |
| 02:44.46 | Guerin | virgins are overrated |
| 02:44.52 | dvs | dos000: Welcome to my world |
| 02:44.54 | kspath | things went from paper tape and punch cards to magnetic tape to huge disk packs and eventually 8inch single sided floppies |
| 02:45.07 | dos000 | Guerin, there is *big* difference dude |
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| 02:45.15 | FourierSeries | and so ... |
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| 02:45.17 | Guerin | dos000: ... |
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| 02:46.02 | magyar | when is the planed kde change for etch? |
| 02:46.14 | rudo | hay we dont understand me question.. How to connect 2 comtuerswhith serial port |
| 02:46.31 | Guerin | !why is kde not in testing? |
| 02:46.33 | dpkg | kde is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kde |
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| 02:47.19 | rudo | HAY |
| 02:47.26 | Guerin | rudo: what horses eat |
| 02:47.31 | Guerin | rudo: do I get a cookie |
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| 02:47.31 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:47.41 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 02:47.50 | rudo | sorry |
| 02:47.58 | erik__ | anyone know any good QT rooms to get info in? #qt is dead. |
| 02:48.03 | FourierSeries | rudo: can't you just dig up 2 ether net cards? |
| 02:48.11 | dos000 | erik__, long live gnome |
| 02:48.11 | Guerin | erik__: #kde |
| 02:48.15 | hammerabi | erik__: kde people may be able to help you |
| 02:48.15 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:48.29 | FourierSeries | dos000: "FVWM!" |
| 02:48.33 | erik__ | haha, thanks a lot, I'll go check out #kde. |
| 02:48.35 | FourierSeries | etc... |
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| 02:49.23 | rudo | yes is posibilty there is PCMCIA but I donta have PCMCIA hier .I onkly need how to connect 2 comps whith serial I not lama |
| 02:49.31 | hammerabi | !+cz |
| 02:49.32 | dpkg | i guess cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 02:49.41 | hammerabi | rudo: ask them about slip |
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| 02:50.53 | kspath | use uucp to make transfers |
| 02:50.58 | hammerabi | hah |
| 02:50.59 | rudo | slip ...evry manuals talk me about some progrmas slattach ...but I need conection for install program like slattach,...... some ideas |
| 02:51.18 | FourierSeries | kspath: i remember me days on a Vax ... ouffda.... |
| 02:51.37 | hammerabi | rudo: time to get some debian install cds |
| 02:51.52 | beardy | hammerabi: He doesn't have <insert hardware>. |
| 02:52.03 | kspath | rudo: get those debian install CDs NOW! |
| 02:52.05 | bucky | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:52.05 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 02:52.19 | FourierSeries | *lol* |
| 02:52.51 | kspath | change punch card reader to paper tape reader for even older school tech |
| 02:52.53 | rudo | hey im not lama there is no CDROM .....i write this 5-time |
| 02:53.18 | hammerabi | rudo: netinst over slip will be highly tedious |
| 02:53.31 | kspath | buy a cdrom drive that connects to parallel port |
| 02:53.56 | kspath | but you need a drive to boot and install driver for it oops |
| 02:54.04 | beardy | I wonder how he installed in the first place.. |
| 02:54.05 | jjazz | rudo, put the harddrive in a box with a cdrom, install base system. move drive back |
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| 02:54.27 | rudo | hey how to use SLIP , or hier is is no people whit now somethink |
| 02:54.44 | FourierSeries | rudo: I mean no harm ... I mean no insult .. but if you can not figure out how to do a serial install on your own ... just pony up the $$ for a CDROM & do it that way ,.. |
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| 02:55.16 | npx | plus a serial install will take forever |
| 02:55.19 | hammerabi | rudo: please drop the attitude |
| 02:55.21 | inquis | how would you see Debian sarge on an AMD 64bit Opteron 146 with 1Gb RAM and 2 hard disk 160Gb each in RAID1, running as MySQL server for about 170 average queries per second with 64 concurrent open tables? |
| 02:55.30 | hammerabi | mostly unintelligable abuse is really not a good plan |
| 02:55.34 | FourierSeries | rudo: you are gonna be hard pressed to find someone who does .. via IRC or otherwise .. |
| 02:55.43 | kspath | rudo: even if some of us used slip for years 10-15 years ago we forgot and it wasnt on linux becuase linux isnt 15 years old |
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| 02:56.31 | npx | inquis, I'd see it going over pretty well |
| 02:56.35 | rudo | hay I write hier 10-time write abaut hier is no CDRONM.if I bay CDROM parallel or serial how to installl.anser me detial no abaut bay I need how to use SLIP |
| 02:56.40 | npx | inquis, I've got a 148 and it's sickeningly fast |
| 02:56.43 | jjazz | kspath, ah, yes, my first encounter with a slip, 15 years ago... took me forever to figure out how to get it off her... |
| 02:56.56 | inquis | npx: was it hard to get Debian sarge working on it? |
| 02:56.58 | hammerabi | rudo: Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 02:57.10 | rudo | tam nikdo neni |
| 02:57.20 | npx | inquis, Not at all |
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| 02:57.25 | inquis | npx: all I need is on amd64.debian.net, right? |
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| 02:57.43 | npx | inquis, You might want to ask #Debian-amd64 about the chipset of whatever mobo you're using |
| 02:57.45 | rudo | how to se SLIP ..... |
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| 02:58.09 | npx | inquis, and google a bit, see if there are any known issues before messing with it, you know? |
| 02:58.26 | kspath | jjazz: any guess how old I am? |
| 02:58.50 | inquis | npx: I already asked on #Debian-amd64 before asking here |
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| 02:59.07 | inquis | npx: which kernel version do you run? |
| 02:59.23 | rudo | kanal pro jakocechy je prdczech.debian.cz |
| 02:59.27 | npx | 2.6.11 I think |
| 02:59.46 | hammerabi | rudo: this is an English-speaking channel |
| 02:59.48 | kspath | most card readers were likely on machines with a different character set than now standard ascii |
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| 02:59.56 | hammerabi | rudo: perhaps you'd be more comfortable in #debian-cz |
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| 03:00.06 | kspath | lowercase characters are newish |
| 03:00.12 | rudo | a kanal pro jakocechy je prdczech.debian.org |
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| 03:00.16 | hammerabi | jeez firefox 1.5 is snappy |
| 03:00.17 | bucky | rudo http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/PLIP-Install-HOWTO.html |
| 03:00.26 | FourierSeries | rudo: way I heard it - RedHad can do this ... |
| 03:00.32 | Guerin | kspath: TEH GRAET RUN$ES |
| 03:00.35 | FourierSeries | O_o |
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| 03:01.33 | kspath | I am a dinosaur I need to go find some place to lay down and be found in 60 million years |
| 03:01.55 | Guerin | kspath: /j #daoitmk |
| 03:02.00 | FourierSeries | lol! |
| 03:02.08 | tsume | stupid non-english speakers |
| 03:02.09 | inquis | npx: ok, thanks so much. any other tip before upgrading the mysql server to Opteron? |
| 03:02.12 | bucky | rudo http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/PLIP-Install-HOWTO.html |
| 03:02.18 | tsume | everyone should know english by now |
| 03:02.18 | FourierSeries | kspath: ever worked for IT in a casino? |
| 03:02.48 | beardy | bucky: He would not have been able to do it, since he needs to install things, for which he needs a SLIP/PLIP connection, or other, for which he hasn't got the programs to conf.. (infinite loop begins here) |
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| 03:03.02 | jjazz | kspath 42? |
| 03:03.06 | bucky | ic |
| 03:03.21 | FourierSeries | kspath: let's just say there is a lot of heavy metal around ... |
| 03:03.34 | kspath | FourierSeries: no nien niet nie |
| 03:03.41 | _metaperl | when do I do dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade? |
| 03:03.42 | FourierSeries | ;-) |
| 03:03.55 | kspath | jjazz: not far off 38 |
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| 03:04.11 | beardy | _metaperl: You don't, if you have to ask. |
| 03:04.31 | FourierSeries | kspath: you ole' bastard! ( I'm only 35 here ... ) |
| 03:04.36 | jjazz | kspath: I guess you are old enough that you used to date girls who wore slips. |
| 03:04.42 | inquis | npx: ok, I take it as a 'no', thanks so much |
| 03:04.51 | npx | hehe |
| 03:04.52 | npx | np |
| 03:05.05 | npx | I've got my 148 overclocked to 2.6ghz |
| 03:05.09 | beardy | _metaperl: If you're running woody: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 03:05.10 | kspath | jjazz: no I am kind of a nerd did not date much but yes slips still happened sometimes |
| 03:05.13 | npx | so if performance is a bit lackluster, see what that memory can do |
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| 03:05.33 | npx | If you get some DDR600, prepare to be amazed at what 300HTT is like |
| 03:05.37 | inquis | npx: I won't be able to overclock since it will be at the server farm, 2000km physically far from me :) |
| 03:05.41 | npx | hehe |
| 03:05.54 | jjazz | kspath, yes, slips happen... ;) |
| 03:06.03 | hans0lo | Is there a way to allow my user account to set 'nice' for burning CDs? I don't want any buffer underrunns |
| 03:06.24 | hammerabi | hans0lo: make cdrecord setuid |
| 03:06.31 | FourierSeries | inquis: lil tough to git into the BIOS ... overclocking not impossible ... but ... |
| 03:06.40 | beardy | hans0lo: Burn in a lower speed. |
| 03:06.41 | hans0lo | hammerabi: ok, thanks |
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| 03:07.07 | inquis | FourierSeries: I can not access the bios through ssh/telnet/serial terminal, can I? |
| 03:07.07 | hans0lo | beardy: even at lower speed, if some process goes wild and hogs cpu, I have a coaster. |
| 03:07.28 | jmd | How can I purge all old versions of auto{conf, make} apt-get purge doesn't work. |
| 03:07.54 | FourierSeries | inquis: in *this* day of age .. *anything* is possible ... however, as far as i know, no ... |
| 03:07.55 | inquis | npx: and what about the memory, is it enough 1Gb for the mysql server replying an average of 170 queries per second with 64 concurrent open tables? |
| 03:07.56 | hammerabi | jmd: "doesn't work"? |
| 03:08.16 | cheal | !tell jmd about purge |
| 03:08.19 | hammerabi | inquis: I'd think that would depend on how much data is in there |
| 03:08.19 | inquis | FourierSeries: so I can not overclock, which is not my aim in any case |
| 03:08.33 | hammerabi | you're not going to be able to seek 170 queries a second, so it had better mostly fit in ram |
| 03:08.34 | inquis | hammerabi: 3Gb mysql database |
| 03:08.41 | beardy | hans0lo: Yes, that's true. |
| 03:08.45 | inquis | hammerabi: exactly |
| 03:08.48 | jmd | hammerabi: It just says there's nothing to be done and exits with zero status. |
| 03:09.11 | hammerabi | jmd: what does "dpkg -l packagename | tail -n1" say about them? |
| 03:09.24 | jmd | cheal: Yes I know what purge is *supposed* to do. |
| 03:09.58 | FourierSeries | ineiros: however, i am amazed at the ammont of BIOS / CMOS configuration software out there .. I think it is not impossible . .. but I admit much ignorance .. |
| 03:10.04 | jmd | hammerabi: un automake1.7 <none> (no description available) |
| 03:10.30 | Guerin | jmd: what's wrong with that? |
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| 03:10.38 | FourierSeries | ( oops .. I meant to direct that at inquis ) |
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| 03:11.28 | inquis | FourierSeries: got it, thanks |
| 03:11.43 | shark_atlantis | Hi everybody |
| 03:11.47 | FourierSeries | inquis: for what it is worth, you are welcome .. |
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| 03:12.14 | jmd | Guerin: I've still got /usr/bin/aclocal-1.7 and most of the /usr/share stuff for automake1.7 |
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| 03:12.48 | Guerin | jmd: are those files provided by the package? check dpkg -L automake1.7 |
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| 03:13.45 | kspath | http://www.craphound.com/down/ |
| 03:14.02 | jmd | Guerin: Its listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/automake1.7.list |
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| 03:14.13 | Guerin | jmd: hrm, then purge should remove it |
| 03:14.25 | Guerin | jmd: reinstall automake1.7, then purge it again |
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| 03:16.40 | jmd | Guerin: That seems to have done the trick. |
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| 03:17.32 | npx | inquis, you'd get a nice performance increase if you could fit the entire database in memory |
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| 03:17.42 | npx | and it's not too expensive to do that most of the time |
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| 03:17.52 | linoleum | !gnome |
| 03:17.52 | dpkg | it has been said that gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
| 03:17.55 | jmd | Is it normal for automake1.9 to give 1000 warnings about underquoted definitions?? |
| 03:18.04 | cheal | !tell linoleum about msg the bot |
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| 03:18.20 | linoleum | !remove_gnome |
| 03:18.35 | npx | if you just want to use opteron 1-series with less than 4gb of RAM, I'd go with a socket 939 board and dual channel 500mhz non-ECC memory |
| 03:18.37 | inquis | npx: how could I do that? |
| 03:18.44 | FourierSeries | !tell me about life-the univers-and-everything |
| 03:18.48 | npx | You get ridiculous amounts of memory bandwidth for a little bit of nothing |
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| 03:23.06 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:23.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:23.25 | cheal | !abrotmoo |
| 03:23.55 | npx | Did anyone catch yesterdays' pennyarcade about wikipedia? |
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| 03:24.07 | abrotman | people still read penny arcade ? |
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| 03:25.08 | jbroome | i just look at pretty pictures |
| 03:25.35 | npx | yeah, penny arcade is still hilarious |
| 03:25.40 | scotti | indeed |
| 03:25.45 | FourierSeries | do people still read? |
| 03:25.56 | Guerin | FourierSeries: no. |
| 03:26.05 | Guerin | FourierSeries: unless you count harry potter. |
| 03:26.12 | abrotman | that |
| 03:26.15 | FourierSeries | Guerin: ;-) |
| 03:26.16 | cheal | dpkg: abrotmoo is <reply> maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 03:26.16 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 03:26.21 | abrotman | that's not reading .. that's advanced hooked on phonics |
| 03:26.40 | Guerin | argh |
| 03:26.43 | abrotman | cheal: that must be much funnier in french :) |
| 03:26.50 | jbroome | it worked for me! |
| 03:26.51 | npx | "It's disingenuous to refer to the most primitive, arcade exercises when trying to disprove the narrative potential of a medium, but that's what you get when you chat with people who don't know what they're fucking talking about." |
| 03:26.55 | Guerin | you merkins have a lot to answer for with that fonix stuff |
| 03:27.04 | npx | Yeah, penny arcade is still hilarious =) |
| 03:27.28 | FourierSeries | I am not a hairy mask ... |
| 03:27.30 | Guerin | every day I get koreans who spell hot dog 'hat dag' because fucking american can't pronounce an o correctly |
| 03:27.31 | cheal | abrotman: what, it's not funny? do you think you can do better? I belive my factoid is lame |
| 03:27.32 | FourierSeries | :-< |
| 03:27.38 | cheal | !chealer |
| 03:27.39 | dpkg | hmm... chealer is an XML DTD for news channels. For readers, apt-cache search chealer reader; Also, Resident Set Size, or a bit like the borg |
| 03:27.59 | abrotman | !abrotman |
| 03:27.59 | dpkg | you are probably someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 03:28.01 | abrotman | what's wrong with that ? |
| 03:28.09 | cheal | hum, I didn't know that was my factoid |
| 03:28.14 | cheal | !factinfo chealer |
| 03:28.15 | dpkg | chealer -- last modified at Fri Sep 16 11:40:57 2005 by cheal!i=chealer@pdpc/supporter/student/chealer; it has been requested once, last by cheal at Wed Sep 28 23:10:54 2005. |
| 03:28.16 | abrotman | thank god the poll is gone |
| 03:28.20 | Guerin | abrotman: did you ever win that calendar appearance? |
| 03:28.23 | cheal | must have been a test |
| 03:28.36 | abrotman | Guerin: server got hacked .. NFC |
| 03:28.46 | Guerin | oh :( |
| 03:28.48 | abrotman | Guerin: i should send them the umbrella hat picture :) |
| 03:28.49 | Guerin | I blame pete |
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| 03:29.49 | npx | dpkg: abrotman is <reply> What? Are you asking me? I don't see anyone else around, so you must be asking me. Yeah. I thought you asked me. What? What? READ THE FUCKING MANUAL NOOB, I'LL STAB YOU IN YOUR FUCKING EYEBALLS, I OWN YOU, I TELL YOU WHEN TO GO TO SLEEP. SLEEP BITCH. |
| 03:29.50 | dpkg | ...but abrotman is already something else... |
| 03:29.57 | npx | dpkg: forget abrotman |
| 03:29.57 | dpkg | i forgot abrotman, npx |
| 03:29.58 | npx | dpkg: abrotman is <reply> What? Are you asking me? I don't see anyone else around, so you must be asking me. Yeah. I thought you asked me. What? What? READ THE FUCKING MANUAL NOOB, I'LL STAB YOU IN YOUR FUCKING EYEBALLS, I OWN YOU, I TELL YOU WHEN TO GO TO SLEEP. SLEEP BITCH. |
| 03:30.11 | abrotman | npx: are you retarded ? |
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| 03:30.14 | gravity | wtf |
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| 03:30.32 | gravity | npx: Stop that |
| 03:30.37 | npx | sorry |
| 03:30.44 | learnfromscratch | i did chmod 777 ./* in lftp prompt.. it says no file called * !!!! |
| 03:30.46 | abrotman | npx: what the hell is wrong with you ? |
| 03:30.46 | npx | dpkg: forget abrotman |
| 03:30.47 | dpkg | i forgot abrotman, npx |
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| 03:30.59 | npx | dpkg: abrotman is <reply> gentle huges and kisses on a warm summer eve. |
| 03:31.01 | dpkg | ...but abrotman is already something else... |
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| 03:31.08 | abrotman | npx: STOP FUCKING WITH IT |
| 03:31.09 | Guerin | npx: just fucking stop |
| 03:31.10 | abrotman | idiot |
| 03:31.17 | Guerin | jesus |
| 03:31.20 | Guerin | keep yer hands off it |
| 03:31.24 | npx | hahahah |
| 03:31.24 | npx | guys |
| 03:31.27 | jbroome | step away from the bot |
| 03:31.28 | FourierSeries | !merkin |
| 03:31.28 | dpkg | i heard merkin is a pubic wig |
| 03:31.29 | Duelist | enough juvenile bullshit |
| 03:31.31 | Guerin | npx: say no more |
| 03:31.32 | npx | I think you take the bot replies a little bit too seriously |
| 03:31.39 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 03:31.40 | ke6isf | !lart npx |
| 03:31.52 | npx | Duelist, 1v1 dust2 $800 start cash all weapons? |
| 03:31.55 | npx | cuz I'm ready |
| 03:32.00 | npx | I dunno about you |
| 03:32.10 | Duelist | npx: ...? |
| 03:32.12 | abrotman | npx: you clearly suffer from severe brain damage |
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| 03:32.30 | ke6isf | abrotman: Wanna borrow my lart? =^_^= |
| 03:32.32 | kreg_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:32.34 | kreg_ | link dead? |
| 03:32.40 | abrotman | kreg_: we've been over this |
| 03:32.50 | kreg_ | that install cd doesn't have a kernel |
| 03:32.50 | cheal | kreg: try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:32.54 | kreg_ | it fails |
| 03:33.05 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:33.07 | kreg_ | durring install it turns red and says no kernel |
| 03:33.07 | abrotman | kreg_: ^^ |
| 03:33.13 | abrotman | kreg_: notice .. it's a different version |
| 03:33.18 | kreg_ | um ok |
| 03:33.30 | abrotman | kreg_: notice .. 3.1r1 .. not 3.1r0a ? |
| 03:33.43 | kreg_ | i'm not sure what the ver differences are |
| 03:33.55 | abrotman | kreg_: think of it like a service pack |
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| 03:34.00 | jjazz | kreg_, at a guess, I would say they denote different versions |
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| 03:34.40 | JRtheGoob | i just did an apt-get upgrade apache and it installed it to an old kernel (2.6.8) instead of my new 2.6.13 |
| 03:34.49 | JRtheGoob | how can i point apt to my new kernel? |
| 03:34.57 | kreg_ | thanks |
| 03:35.01 | learnfromscratch | huh .. no one uses lftp ??? please help me.. i did chmod 777 ./* in lftp prompt.. it says no file called ./* !!!! |
| 03:35.05 | abrotman | JRtheGoob: but apache works ? |
| 03:35.16 | JRtheGoob | abrotman, heh havent checked |
| 03:35.16 | cheal | JRtheGoob: apt installed apache for a specific kernel? |
| 03:35.20 | JRtheGoob | lets see |
| 03:35.20 | abrotman | maybe lftp doesn't support globbing |
| 03:35.33 | gravity | Or the ./ |
| 03:35.38 | JRtheGoob | cheal, ya it said something about rebuilding my kernel |
| 03:35.38 | abrotman | JRtheGoob: it just installed a security update .. you can probably ignore it |
| 03:35.40 | Guerin | try * |
| 03:35.52 | learnfromscratch | * also does not work.. |
| 03:36.08 | gravity | I should really learn lftp one of these days |
| 03:36.11 | hysteric | how come a network interface that does not have a cable plugged in can have traffic on it, ifconfig shows megs of data on it |
| 03:36.13 | abrotman | cheal: no .. there was a security update for 2.6.8 the other day |
| 03:36.17 | npx | sftp is great |
| 03:36.20 | abrotman | gravity: and why? :) |
| 03:36.21 | JRtheGoob | ya apache still works |
| 03:36.26 | npx | and scp, they're easily my most used commands |
| 03:36.28 | gravity | abrotman: I've heard it's good :-) |
| 03:36.37 | abrotman | gravity: i've heard nvidia is the best! |
| 03:36.40 | Guerin | !best ftp client |
| 03:36.41 | dpkg | best ftp client is, like, lftp |
| 03:36.42 | gravity | hahaha |
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| 03:37.06 | cheal | JRtheGoob/abrotman: I must be missing something. waht's the relation between apache and kernel upgrades? |
| 03:37.07 | rudo | YES i have slattach ther so have to use slattach RTFM |
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| 03:37.40 | abrotman | cheal: there isn't one .. i suspect he still has the stable security line in his apt sources .. and did an apt-get update ; apt-get install aapache .. and it grabbed the kernel update from 2 days ago |
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| 03:37.49 | abrotman | well .. at least .. i don't htink there is one |
| 03:38.19 | cheal | abrotman: hum...as long as you understand the situation :) |
| 03:38.21 | kreg_ | abrotman, this iso (31r1) looks to be the same as the preiouvs disc i downloaded from your url |
| 03:38.32 | abrotman | kreg_: it is! |
| 03:38.45 | kreg_ | abrotman, i need an actually installation minimal net disc. not a service pak |
| 03:38.54 | abrotman | kreg_: that's what i gave you! |
| 03:39.06 | jbroome | christ |
| 03:39.08 | cheal | kreg_: the broken link you pasted isn't one for a network install |
| 03:39.14 | kreg_ | the last one wasn't tho right? even tho it's the same rev in the url? |
| 03:39.20 | abrotman | it is .. but it's for the old version |
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| 03:39.27 | cheal | kreg_: sorry..it is |
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| 03:39.29 | JRtheGoob | i did an apt-get upgrade apache but apache -v still shows 2.0.54 (instead of 2.2.x) |
| 03:39.40 | JRtheGoob | i killed it and restarted it but still |
| 03:39.45 | JRtheGoob | do i need to rebbot |
| 03:39.54 | kreg_ | cheal, this link is where it takes you if you click on current netdisk cd |
| 03:39.54 | kreg_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 03:39.59 | ke6isf | JRtheGoob: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 03:40.00 | dondelelcaro | JRtheGoob: what does dpkg -l apache2; show? |
| 03:40.06 | cheal | kreg_: yes, the page is broken |
| 03:40.11 | kreg_ | just checking |
| 03:40.13 | abrotman | kreg_: that one does NOT exist anymore |
| 03:40.16 | JRtheGoob | <none> |
| 03:40.20 | abrotman | kreg_: use the link i gave you |
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| 03:40.53 | dondelelcaro | !info apache2 |
| 03:40.54 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-3 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 03:41.00 | FourierSeries | I thought apache was still at the 2.0.x version in Debian ... 2.2.x is still .. in testing .. as far as Debian is concerned ... |
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| 03:41.10 | ke6isf | JRtheGoob: What do you mean, none? |
| 03:41.14 | dondelelcaro | JRtheGoob: considering the fact that apache2 is at 2.0.55-3 in sid, I don't know what you were expecting. |
| 03:41.17 | JRtheGoob | ke6isf, thats what it says |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | FourierSeries: stable < testing < unstable |
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| 03:41.31 | lazydot | hi |
| 03:41.31 | FourierSeries | abrotman: right. |
| 03:41.41 | lazydot | i have a problem with mysqld, can somebody help? |
| 03:41.44 | ke6isf | JRtheGoob: What is "it"? Is "it" the output od dpkg -l apache2? |
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| 03:41.51 | ke6isf | s/od/of |
| 03:42.10 | abrotman | lazydot: just ask |
| 03:42.12 | Guerin | lazydot: not until you tell us what it is |
| 03:42.18 | JRtheGoob | un apache <none> (no description available) |
| 03:42.28 | abrotman | apache2! |
| 03:42.38 | benjamindees | is kernel-source-2.6.8_2.6.8-13_all.deb what I need to build modules for the debian installer? |
| 03:42.39 | lazydot | i cant connect on the public interface (eth0), only loopback works |
| 03:42.43 | JRtheGoob | oh heh.. 2.0.54-5 |
| 03:42.44 | ke6isf | JRtheGoob: OK, try that with 'apache2' instead of just 'apache'. And what version of Debian are you running? |
| 03:42.56 | bleaked | libvisual and opengl. for instance, does the amarok in deb sid have libvisual and opengl support? |
| 03:43.05 | JRtheGoob | i got sarge3.1 |
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| 03:43.07 | bleaked | ack |
| 03:43.08 | Guerin | lazydot: that's not a problem. |
| 03:43.10 | bleaked | never mind that |
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| 03:43.28 | Guerin | lazydot: learn how to configure your server before allowing random idiots to connect to it. |
| 03:43.33 | dondelelcaro | JRtheGoob: sarge has 2.0.54-5 and will stay with 2.0.54-5 for the forseeable future. |
| 03:43.33 | JRtheGoob | ok dpkg is showing i got version 2.0.54-5. does that mean the apt packages are way behind |
| 03:43.47 | JRtheGoob | what about the 2.2 tree |
| 03:43.57 | dondelelcaro | JRtheGoob: sarge is stable. New releases don't go into stable. |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | JRtheGoob: that's not how Debian/stable works |
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| 03:44.00 | cheal | benjamindees: that's an old version |
| 03:44.07 | ke6isf | JRtheGoob: Then 2.0.54 is the correct version. As dondelelcaro said, it will not change - and this is because Sarge is frozen. |
| 03:44.10 | lazydot | Guerin: i configured mysql to losten on a class c network adress, to get it possible to connect from internet |
| 03:44.10 | bleaked | how can one tell what types of support were compiled into an app? for instance, does the amarok in deb sid have libvisual and opengl support? |
| 03:44.15 | dondelelcaro | s/frozen/released/ |
| 03:44.18 | benjamindees | cheal, but is it the version used for the Sarge installer? |
| 03:44.24 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Yes, thank you. |
| 03:44.25 | Guerin | lazydot: you can't have a daemon listen on a subnet. |
| 03:44.29 | hammerabi | bleaked: read the debian/rules file in the source package |
| 03:44.34 | gravity | A music player with opengl support? Geez... |
| 03:44.39 | gravity | That's just asking for it |
| 03:44.43 | Guerin | gravity: convergence, d00d |
| 03:44.43 | hammerabi | bleaked: tho you can usually guess based on the {build-,}dependencies |
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| 03:44.51 | lazydot | Guerin: standard setting is 127.0.0.1 but by me is 192.168.0.x |
| 03:44.54 | abrotman | gravity: maybe he meant openal support |
| 03:44.58 | gravity | heh |
| 03:44.59 | dondelelcaro | !depends amarok |
| 03:45.01 | dpkg | amarok: depends on amarok-engines | amarok-engine, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.4.3-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libice6, libmysqlclient14, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libpq4, libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libsdl1.2debian (>> 1.2.7+1.2.8), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libtag1c2a (>= 1.4), libtunepimp2c2a (>= 0.3.0), libvisual0.2 (>= 0.2.0), libx11-6, libxext6, xlibmesa-gl | libgl1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 03:45.02 | Guerin | lazydot: yes. That's wrong. |
| 03:45.09 | dondelelcaro | well, considering the fact that it depends on xlibmesa-gl... |
| 03:45.10 | abrotman | or not |
| 03:45.12 | Guerin | lazydot: a daemon listens on an ip address and port. |
| 03:45.25 | Guerin | lazydot: not a range of ip addresses and no specific port. |
| 03:45.28 | dondelelcaro | bleaked: see above. |
| 03:45.29 | gravity | Maybe that's why dato tends to hound me when I'm behind :-) |
| 03:45.30 | lazydot | Guerin: i cant connect with mysql -u root -h 192.168.0.202 -p, but i can with -h localhost |
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| 03:45.40 | Guerin | lazydot: you have your answer. |
| 03:46.02 | abrotman | that's the creepiest media player i've seen :) |
| 03:46.04 | cheal | benjamindees: what are you trying to do exactly? normally you don't need kernel source to build modules |
| 03:46.29 | lazydot | Guerin: so what should i do to get it possible to connect from local network? |
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| 03:46.47 | Guerin | lazydot: tell it to listen on A SPECIFIC IP ADDRESS |
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| 03:46.55 | Guerin | lazydot: and the connect to that ip address |
| 03:46.58 | Guerin | honestly |
| 03:47.02 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
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| 03:47.23 | abrotman | or ask #mysql ? |
| 03:47.52 | benjamindees | cheal, I'm trying to build a 3rd party module for the debian installer |
| 03:47.53 | lazydot | Guerin: but i have already in /etc/mysql/my.cnf bind-adress = 192.168.0.202. Is it wrong? |
| 03:47.57 | kspath | rocket science isnt rocket science anymore |
| 03:47.59 | benjamindees | cheal, and this one seems to want the source |
| 03:47.59 | FourierSeries | "for great justice: |
| 03:48.01 | FourierSeries | : |
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| 03:48.58 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: have you restarted mysqld? what does netstat -plut|grep mysql; return? |
| 03:49.05 | Guerin | lazydot: that's not what you said. |
| 03:49.12 | r0tu | I just updated my kernel, kdm kept restarting after 'initializing pereferials' ... so I went back to my old kernel... but now no modules will load... it sais it can't find the folder ... it's looking for the new folder my kernel installation made |
| 03:49.15 | lazydot | Guerin: it sounds for like if i have specified bind-adress = 192.168.0.202 it should accept connections to this adress or not? |
| 03:49.21 | cheal | benjamindees: sarge uses 2.4 by default. if you really want to build it for 2.6, there's a later version |
| 03:49.26 | Guerin | lazydot: yes, it should. |
| 03:49.36 | lazydot | hmm |
| 03:49.45 | Guerin | lazydot: if the machine you've installed it on has an interface with that ip address |
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| 03:49.49 | boinkder | I am following a guide on how to update/compile a kernel and it says I need to use the mkinitrd command to make the initial ramdisk if I built my main boot drivers as modules. However neither command it shows works for me. Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong. The commands are mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.8.img 2.6.8 or mkinitrd -k vmlinux-2.6.8 -i initrd-2.6.8 |
| 03:49.51 | ke6isf | I just watched as the regular archive mirrors did an update for sarge. What happened in the past 24 hours to warrant this? |
| 03:50.01 | lazydot | Guerin: sure i restartet mysqld, but it didnt do that |
| 03:50.02 | r0tu | I get this when I use modprobe to try to initialize my snd |
| 03:50.25 | lazydot | Guerni: my eth0 is configured with dhcp and gets each time this adress |
| 03:50.26 | benjamindees | cheal, I want to use 2.6. I think I'm having versioning problems |
| 03:50.46 | Guerin | lazydot: something else is the matter, then. Do what dondelelcaro said. |
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| 03:51.22 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: netstat didnt accepts -plut as option |
| 03:51.38 | PerfDave | boinkder: Are you using make-kpkg? (you should be) IIRC it has an option to build an initrd for you |
| 03:51.46 | cheal | benjamindees: I think that package should do then. what problems? |
| 03:52.00 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: ah ok sorry, it does |
| 03:52.17 | benjamindees | cheal, the only kernel source I can find is 2.6.8-16 |
| 03:52.32 | puff | Evening... I just installed mysql. I see from looking at /etc/mysql.cnf that I no longer need to uncomment skip-networking and it will by default only allow local connections. What other steps should I take? |
| 03:52.35 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: tcp 0 0 192.168.0.202_mysql *:* LISTEN 1 0349/mysqld |
| 03:52.36 | boinkder | PerfDave: I am not using make-kpkg my teacher told me to just follow this howto/tutorial/what not |
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| 03:53.26 | Vooloo | where should I go ask about a squirrelmail solution? I have a webhost that I have squirrelmail on, but they don't have the mailserver on the same, so they told me I should get some script or pop3 utility that could grab the emails from the mailserver to the webserver where squirrelmail is, in order for me to have my custom webmail interface... any tips? |
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| 03:53.31 | PerfDave | boinkder: If you're using Debian, use make-kpkg. It automates many things andmakeslife easier. You shouldget bonus marks if you tell your teacherthatyoudid some research and foundan optimised tool ;) |
| 03:53.34 | ozatomic | cp: cannot create regular file `temp': Read-only file system ?? and thats as root why would this be happaning on main mount? |
| 03:53.35 | floundering | Is there anything I have to do to make sure my game is allowed use udp over the lan? |
| 03:53.59 | kreg_ | abrotman, same result. i guess what' i'm trying to say, is i want the iso that i can use to install debian with a minimal base and then just apt-get everything from there. it's just a little fw box. need the iso with full intall. this one says no available kerenl durring the base install. |
| 03:54.00 | cheal | benjamindees: I don'T see why that or -16sarge1 wouldn't work |
| 03:54.03 | hammerabi | ozatomic: dmesg | tail |
| 03:54.04 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: Im sure that the mysqld configuration is right one on my server, but I cant understand why mysqld refuses connections attempts to this adress |
| 03:54.07 | benjamindees | cheal, trying to insmod the module, the error was "invalid module format" |
| 03:54.07 | hammerabi | ozatomic: perhaps your disk is puking |
| 03:54.10 | hammerabi | floundering: no |
| 03:54.11 | abrotman | kreg_: FFS .. that's what i gave you |
| 03:54.12 | PerfDave | Vooloo: Uhm, you can run Squirrelmail on a webserver and have it pull e-mail from a remote mailserver using IMAP or preferably IMAPS. |
| 03:54.18 | hammerabi | Vooloo: doesn't it work over imap? |
| 03:54.21 | abrotman | kreg_: otherwise .. use CD1 |
| 03:54.24 | boinkder | PerfDave: Well, he told me he didn't like the debian way and I should try this instead. This is my first linux box and I am just trying to play around in spare time so I took his word |
| 03:54.26 | Vooloo | PerfDave: oh really? |
| 03:54.28 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: uh... that can't be the -plunt output... |
| 03:54.28 | abrotman | which is a full 650MB cd |
| 03:54.33 | kreg_ | abrotman, it's not a functioning disc then. no prob. |
| 03:54.38 | cheal | benjamindees: ah. how did you build it? |
| 03:54.40 | Vooloo | PerfDave: how? |
| 03:54.45 | PerfDave | Vooloo: Yes, it's just that the mail server in the squirrelmail config defaults to "localhost" :) |
| 03:54.55 | PerfDave | Vooloo: Read the fine SquirrelMail documentation ;) |
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| 03:55.03 | abrotman | kreg_: honestly .. i've not tried a 3.1r1 CD to see if ti works .. so maybe it's broken |
| 03:55.11 | Vooloo | PerfDave: oh, does it work with pop3 too? |
| 03:55.18 | benjamindees | cheal, with the included scripts and things, on a different system |
| 03:55.27 | PerfDave | Vooloo: No, because POP3 is useless ;) |
| 03:55.30 | kreg_ | abrotman, no prob, it's all good. |
| 03:55.38 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: it looks similar i typed it here not copy&pasted, Im witth my other debian pc here |
| 03:55.40 | cheal | benjamindees: included in what? |
| 03:55.40 | Vooloo | PerfDave: hope my webhost thinks that too then |
| 03:55.42 | Vooloo | thanks |
| 03:55.57 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: it should look like the following: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1258/mysqld |
| 03:56.00 | benjamindees | cheal, ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/drivers/linux/marvell/mvsata340.zip |
| 03:56.05 | PerfDave | Vooloo: Your other option is to run a local IMAP server, fetchmail from the POP3 server to the IMAP server, but that's hassle. |
| 03:56.09 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: no underscores, no *:*. |
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| 03:56.10 | A3K | If I may interject...I just got in from taking clothes and toys to the Mississippi gulf coast (Pass Christian and Biloxi) and I would like to say, no matter what you believe in, thank God that you were not in that. |
| 03:56.22 | benjamindees | cheal, perhaps gcc detected the wrong cpu type? |
| 03:56.32 | kreg_ | wow even the torrents links are broken. debian.org doing ok? |
| 03:56.37 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: by me is th e ip adress not loopback but 192.168.0.212 and pid is other one |
| 03:56.43 | abrotman | kreg_: the website isn't updated yet |
| 03:56.54 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: 212 or 202? |
| 03:56.57 | PerfDave | boinkder: I think your teacher is misguided. make-kpkg is by *far* the best way to build kernels from source on Debian. Then again, building kernels from source is mostly an outmoded concept these days, I'm sure there are more interesting things you can be doing with your time. |
| 03:57.00 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: can you just copy and paste it exactly? |
| 03:57.02 | kreg_ | release just tonight? |
| 03:57.05 | PerfDave | Ooh, has Debian released 3.1r1? |
| 03:57.06 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: 202 |
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| 03:57.23 | dondelelcaro | 3~/win 37 |
| 03:57.25 | abrotman | kreg_: uhm .. i think last night |
| 03:57.26 | Vooloo | PerfDave: they don't :( |
| 03:57.40 | PerfDave | Vooloo: Then your webhost is useless ;) |
| 03:57.41 | kreg_ | hmm links were ok today at work *shrug* |
| 03:57.43 | cheal | PerfDave: it's being done, with shiny new august kernels :) |
| 03:57.53 | benjamindees | cheal, there's a build.sh in the LinuxIAL directory of that source |
| 03:58.01 | lazydot | my server is the other pc, im with my desktop debian here, so I simply retyped the output here |
| 03:58.04 | mely | ls |
| 03:58.05 | Vooloo | PerfDave: well yeah |
| 03:58.06 | PerfDave | cheal: Oh, ones that fix the security holes? ;) |
| 03:58.09 | abrotman | mely: no! |
| 03:58.12 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: so ssh into that machine, and copy/paste. |
| 03:58.20 | Vooloo | PerfDave: there is no way to fetch it with pop3 then? :/ |
| 03:58.29 | JRtheGoob | so if i have sarge the packages dont support apache2.2.x? |
| 03:58.33 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: in any case, telnet 192.168.0.212 3306; if it connects, then mysql is listening on that port. |
| 03:58.50 | dondelelcaro | (or 202, depending on which address is correct) |
| 03:58.52 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: ssh is the other problem, ssh didnt work since today, no more |
| 03:58.53 | JRtheGoob | i could download and build it myself... |
| 03:59.06 | cheal | PerfDave: well, those before september, yes :S |
| 03:59.08 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: if you can't ssh into the box, how in the world do you expect to do mysql? |
| 03:59.17 | JRtheGoob | is there any benefit 2.0.54 has over 2.2.x (apache) |
| 03:59.20 | abrotman | mysql is magic! |
| 03:59.27 | kreg_ | wtf is a jigdo on these mirrors?? jesus i jsut want a fucking dics image |
| 03:59.32 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: both PC's are here in my room |
| 03:59.33 | mely | ls |
| 03:59.34 | PerfDave | Vooloo: POP3 doesn't support folders etc. It *might* be possible to fudge squirrelmail to use a POP3 backend, but I'm not sure. You might be better off using fetchmail to a local IMAP server. |
| 03:59.35 | abrotman | JRtheGoob: you have one of them isntalled already? :) |
| 03:59.44 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: that's neither here nor their. Get ssh working first. |
| 03:59.49 | dondelelcaro | s/their/there/ |
| 03:59.50 | JRtheGoob | abrotman, works for me heh |
| 03:59.50 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: sh dint work since last apt-get upgrade |
| 03:59.52 | r0tu | Can anyone tell me where modprobe looks to know what directory the modules are located? |
| 03:59.55 | benjamindees | kreg_, jigdo is a program you run to download and create disk images |
| 03:59.56 | PerfDave | JRtheGoob: You might want to ask yourself whether 2.2.x has any benefit over 2.0.54 :) |
| 03:59.58 | floundering | hammerabi: is there any way to tell if the udp broadcasts reallyare being made ? |
| 03:59.59 | Vooloo | PerfDave: well it's shared hosting ;/ |
| 04:00.01 | boinkder | PerfDave: So is there a way I can make the mkinitrd command work correctly in debian, or could you tell me what I was doing wrong? |
| 04:00.03 | hammerabi | r0tu: /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 04:00.03 | PerfDave | !info apache2 sarge |
| 04:00.04 | cheal | benjamindees: sorry, no idea. is there something that makes you think gcc would have built for the wrong arch other than the error message? |
| 04:00.05 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 04:00.07 | hammerabi | floundering: tcpdump, ethereal |
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| 04:00.09 | benjamindees | kreg_, it is usually faster than getting iso's |
| 04:00.11 | bird | i'm sally |
| 04:00.12 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: is ssh running? can you ping this box? can you telnet to 22 on the box? |
| 04:00.17 | abrotman | i'm silly |
| 04:00.24 | kreg_ | benjamindees, can they be built if your stuck at a windows station? |
| 04:00.25 | benjamindees | cheal, no, just the error |
| 04:00.26 | mely | apt |
| 04:00.27 | dondelelcaro | kreg_: then get a cd image from one of the cd image mirror. |
| 04:00.32 | dondelelcaro | kreg_: and yes, there is jigdo for windows. |
| 04:00.34 | PerfDave | boinkder: I've never used mkinitrd, because I use make-kpkg which is the correct tool for the job of building kernels from source on Debian :) |
| 04:00.34 | le_mackeux | hy Guys. My rp-pppoe wierdly act |
| 04:00.41 | hammerabi | kreg_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:00.43 | hammerabi | kreg_: not that hard |
| 04:00.45 | floundering | hammerabi: many thanks - will reasearch :) |
| 04:00.49 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: ssh is running but refuses all connection attempts to public interfaces on both debian PC's (stabel and etzch) |
| 04:00.53 | benjamindees | kreg_, I think there is a jigdo for windows |
| 04:00.54 | abrotman | hammerabi: we've been down this road |
| 04:00.59 | PerfDave | Is there jigit for Windows? |
| 04:00.59 | le_mackeux | How is it possible to get lots of traffic on a non-connected interface????? |
| 04:01.08 | cat | lazydot: iptables or router? |
| 04:01.09 | benjamindees | kreg_, but it takes a lot of disk space |
| 04:01.10 | boinkder | PerfDave: Ok, thank you for your time and replies. |
| 04:01.12 | dondelelcaro | le_mackeux: lose the excess punctuation, please. |
| 04:01.14 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: but few days ago ssh did worked well on both PC's |
| 04:01.20 | le_mackeux | . |
| 04:01.21 | le_mackeux | ok |
| 04:01.29 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: are the machines still connected? can you ping the other machine? |
| 04:01.32 | kreg_ | i think debian-31r1-i386-netinst.iso is broken |
| 04:01.41 | hammerabi | kreg_: then file a bug |
| 04:01.42 | cat | kreg_: then fixed it or file some bugs |
| 04:01.45 | benjamindees | kreg_, http://atterer.net/jigdo/ |
| 04:01.53 | kreg_ | thanks |
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| 04:02.12 | dondelelcaro | kreg_: there's no reason to bother with the r1 netinst anyway. |
| 04:02.23 | dondelelcaro | kreg_: just use the r0 netinst, and it will install r1 just fine. |
| 04:02.23 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: sure. I checked my firewall setting (bastille) my iptabels file manualy, my /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but without success |
| 04:02.34 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: back up. Can you ping the other box? |
| 04:02.46 | kreg_ | dondelelcaro, yep just huntig the mirros for the r0 was all. thanks |
| 04:02.55 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: yes i can |
| 04:03.01 | dondelelcaro | kreg_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:03.23 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: ok, then check netstat -plunt on both boxes, and make sure sshd is listening on 0.0.0.0:22. |
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| 04:03.28 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: but only the server, this worksation are not "pingable" through my firewall setting |
| 04:03.50 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: ok, wait a minute |
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| 04:04.08 | cheal | hum, did somebody already mention that? debian-31r1-i386-netinst.iso 18-Dec-2005 20:47 83M |
| 04:04.20 | dondelelcaro | cheal: yes, the announcement hasn't been made yet. |
| 04:04.23 | cheal | quite a suspicious size reduction, no? |
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| 04:04.42 | cheal | dondelelcaro: yeah but I was checking if the missing kernel thing made sense |
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| 04:05.05 | dondelelcaro | oh. Don't know; there's no reason to use the r1 netinsts anyway... |
| 04:05.07 | le_mackeux | Question: I install pppoe and configure it. My dsl is onto eth0 and my lan onto eth1. I have an eth2 bit not configured. Now i get all external trafic to eth2 and to ppp0. In the interfaces config file i have this (pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth2 up # line maintained by pppoeconf). ..... someone can help me? |
| 04:05.14 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: netstat -plunt |grep ssh, output: tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 8238/sshd |
| 04:05.15 | Vooloo | PerfDave: ok do you know any webmail client that can do pop3 then? ;) |
| 04:05.35 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: right, now, run tcpdump on the server. telnet to the server on 22. See if it connects. |
| 04:05.57 | JRtheGoob | whats a quick way to search my directories for filenames |
| 04:06.02 | PerfDave | Vooloo: Any webmail client that did would be a horrible, horrible hack. |
| 04:06.02 | dondelelcaro | JRtheGoob: man find |
| 04:06.04 | PerfDave | JRtheGoob: locate, find |
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| 04:06.21 | JRtheGoob | thanks |
| 04:06.21 | cheal | dondelelcaro: okay, it's just that currently r0a may be harder to get for some people |
| 04:06.23 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: if it can't connect, and you're not seeing the triple handshake, then your networking setup between the boxes is screwed up. |
| 04:06.33 | dondelelcaro | cheal: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 04:06.50 | dondelelcaro | joy, they've broken the link. |
| 04:06.53 | hammerabi | JRtheGoob: e.g. find /path -name "*foo*" |
| 04:06.55 | cheal | dondelelcaro: 404... |
| 04:07.20 | cheal | dondelelcaro: oh, I thought you were talking to a "joy" :) |
| 04:08.15 | cheal | but anyway if the r1 migration process is underway we're going to hear soon if the netinsts are missing a kernel |
| 04:08.46 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: netstat has other output on the server: this pc: 0 :::22 :::* but server: 0 *.ssh *:* |
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| 04:08.55 | JRtheGoob | hammerabi new id never be able to get it on my own |
| 04:09.45 | tuv | le_mackeux: so external traffic is going to eth2 and should go to eth0? did you try to replace eth2 in interfaces with eth0? |
| 04:10.14 | _joey | what is the name of package with development tools ? |
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| 04:10.24 | hammerabi | _joey: build-essential is somewhat like that |
| 04:10.28 | gravity | _joey: Which tools? |
| 04:10.28 | _joey | autconf, libtool |
| 04:10.35 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: i cant ssh the server, the last message was: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 04:10.36 | _joey | automake |
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| 04:10.40 | gravity | autoconf, automake, etc |
| 04:10.46 | gravity | _joey: apt-cache search will tell you such things |
| 04:10.57 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: tcpdump was runnning vefor connection attemp |
| 04:11.09 | Gumby | does anyone know of a website that will give me the approximate area/city an IP address is from? |
| 04:11.12 | _joey | hammerabi would buil-essential provide thos utils ? |
| 04:11.21 | fbi | the first page of the new maintainer's guide tells you exactly what packages you need |
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| 04:11.28 | fbi | !tell _joey about nm guide |
| 04:11.31 | gravity | _joey: No, not those tools |
| 04:11.31 | hammerabi | _joey: no, but you need build-essential if you're plannign to compile anything in C or C++ |
| 04:11.58 | gravity | There is, shockingly, an autoconf and automake package for those tools |
| 04:12.00 | gravity | Surprise surprise |
| 04:12.07 | hammerabi | Gumby: http://www.maxmind.com/ |
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| 04:12.13 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: shit seems like i have somebody between my pc's |
| 04:12.18 | PerfDave | Gumby: Such systems are all useless anyway |
| 04:12.22 | hammerabi | Gumby: for city you need to pay, tho |
| 04:12.26 | hammerabi | and I doubt it's very accurate |
| 04:12.28 | Gumby | bah |
| 04:12.32 | zengpu | hi |
| 04:12.36 | cheal | gravity: for autoconf and automake? wow. so they named the package like the software? |
| 04:12.36 | cat | zengpu: hello |
| 04:12.38 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: plug a machine directly into the server and verify that it is working. |
| 04:12.40 | le_mackeux | tuv: yes |
| 04:12.49 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: either that, or read through the server's ssh logs and see what it's doing. |
| 04:12.49 | le_mackeux | tuv: it actually is going to both |
| 04:12.49 | gravity | cheal: Shocking, but true! |
| 04:12.54 | zengpu | hello |
| 04:13.04 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: if it's actually terminating the connection, it should tell you. |
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| 04:13.06 | cat | zengpu: don't repeat you're self |
| 04:13.22 | tuv | le_mackeux: so why do you have ifconfig eth2 up if you don't need any traffic on eth2? |
| 04:13.46 | cheal | gravity: it's a good thing we have DDs here to figure these things for normal people expecting normal thing like us |
| 04:13.56 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:13.58 | le_mackeux | tuv: i don't need it up. when ppp starts up, it turns it up |
| 04:14.01 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: tcpdump gives me output, that resolver0.ewetel.de was used between 192.168.0.123 and 192.168.0.202 |
| 04:14.13 | le_mackeux | tuv: and if i take it down, i loose my ppp connection |
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| 04:14.43 | tuv | le_mackeux: so you have pppoe and ppp running at the same time on different interfaces: pppoe on eth0 and ppp on eth2? |
| 04:14.54 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: is that not strange? i had have this domain name (part of this domain) in my firewall logs, i was scanned from this domain (few udp ports) |
| 04:15.03 | sifi | how can I list virtual packages? |
| 04:15.06 | le_mackeux | tuv: sorry not ppp onlu pppoe |
| 04:15.06 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: that's most likely a dns server. |
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| 04:15.23 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: but im using other dns-server |
| 04:15.43 | tuv | le_mackeux: pppoe needs only one interface, either eth0 or eth2 |
| 04:15.48 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: my dns-servers are from my isp and whois said me that thios domain is not my ISP |
| 04:16.05 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: is not one from my ISP |
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| 04:16.22 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: can it be that somebody rooted the box? |
| 04:17.22 | cheal | sifi: debian policy lists them |
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| 04:18.08 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: i think i should bot from clean livecd and try to chkroot 'kit and to find strange suid binaries |
| 04:18.16 | sportman | are there any versions of debian that come with freevo |
| 04:18.24 | le_mackeux | tuv: i know, i'm use to it, i used it a long time on gentoo. My dsl is hoocked up to eth0 and my lan to eth1. eth2 is only in the machine for future project. When i configured pppoe with apt-get, the configurator asked me question about my dsl acount.... Then it was on so i let it running. I had problems that went and go for the last week. I took a loser look todays and eth2 is up. No big problem until i realize that there is a |
| 04:18.24 | le_mackeux | much traffic count on eth1(lan) then on my eth2 and my virtual ppp0 interfaces |
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| 04:19.33 | _metaperl | how do I get enemy territory for Debian? |
| 04:19.52 | PerfDave | _metaperl: You don't. You get Enemy Territory for Linux and install it in /usr/local |
| 04:19.57 | tuv | le_mackeux: did you try to reconfigure your pppoe (using pppoeconf)? |
| 04:20.11 | _metaperl | PerfDave: from where do I get enemy territory for Linux? |
| 04:20.23 | PerfDave | _metaperl: From ID Software, I expect ;) |
| 04:20.27 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: can you accpet private? i would like to ask you something |
| 04:20.52 | le_mackeux | tuv: this is what i did a moment ago, there is no change. |
| 04:20.53 | gravity | I'd bet google would find it easily. If not, icculus.org |
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| 04:21.33 | le_mackeux | tuv: what i noticed is in my interfaces config file there that line: (pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth2 up # line maintained by pppoeconf) |
| 04:21.37 | lazydot | dondelelcaro? stil there? |
| 04:21.51 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: best to keep it in the channel; I'm wandering in and out. |
| 04:21.52 | tuv | le_mackeux: for what interface? |
| 04:22.06 | bleaked | would anyone know where one could obtain milkdrop presets (for projectM) since the ones on the milkdrop site are in a NSIS archive format and cannot be opened in linux. |
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| 04:22.26 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: last few days my workstation is something strange |
| 04:22.28 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: anyway, yes, running chkrootkit is always appropriate... |
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| 04:22.48 | le_mackeux | tuv: it' for ppp |
| 04:22.55 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: i already chrootet all partitions with kanotis and than tried to find something with chkrootkit |
| 04:22.59 | tuv | le_mackeux: i'd try removing all pppoe conf files and all entries in /etc/network/interfaces and re-run pppoeconf before trying anything else |
| 04:23.04 | Vooloo | is there a channel to discuss webhosts or something? |
| 04:23.04 | le_mackeux | tuv: it's call dsl-provider |
| 04:23.05 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: but it was clean |
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| 04:23.33 | tuv | le_mackeux: is there any mention of eth0 in ppp section? |
| 04:23.42 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: i did it few days ago |
| 04:23.55 | le_mackeux | tuv: no. but it should, the dsl is connected to it and it's working |
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| 04:24.36 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: since few days mostly nothing is working on this box |
| 04:24.43 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: to strange for me |
| 04:26.27 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: and why the hell i have the same ip adress in my firewall logs and in the other machine with tcpdump? |
| 04:26.47 | lazydot | dondelelcaro: what would you do in my position? |
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| 04:27.17 | dondelelcaro | lazydot: in your posisition, I would first figure out why I couldn't connect to the machine. Then trace back and see what else was going on. |
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| 04:33.10 | harryl | somebody on here said monitors cheap - how's $5.00 for cheap - thanks |
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| 04:33.38 | harryl | $5.00 monitor $5.00 NIC |
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| 04:38.38 | tuv | le_mackeux: do you have any mention of eth2 in your /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider? |
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| 04:43.36 | warreng | can somebody help me with a exim config problem? i have it setup so it saves mail locally for a bunch of domains (via "domains = dsearch;/domains" and "data = /domains/$domain/mail/$local_part/" and so on).... but the problem is it accepts mail for ALL users at that domain and just creates maildir's... how would i make it check a passwd file for a domain to ENSURE that the user exists.. and if it doesn't, bounce the mail saying "inv |
| 04:45.18 | Paivakil | warreng: exim or exim4? |
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| 04:45.39 | warreng | exim4 |
| 04:46.20 | hammerabi | nit: it should reject it, saying the user doesn't exist, not bounce. |
| 04:46.40 | JRtheGoob | i can not as hard as i look find how to change the default directory apache is pointing to |
| 04:46.59 | JRtheGoob | by default it is /var/www/apache2-default/ |
| 04:47.26 | JRtheGoob | but i can not figure out how to move it.. the apache2.conf is not like the one in the docs |
| 04:47.40 | warreng | http://pastebin.com/471289 <-- that's what i have in conf.d/router/360_exim4-local_vdom_aliases |
| 04:47.45 | hammerabi | JRtheGoob: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default |
| 04:48.26 | JRtheGoob | hammerabi, should i just move the link |
| 04:49.00 | warreng | JRtheGoob: no... edit that file.. it has a documentroot in it |
| 04:50.44 | Paivakil | warreng: I am not expert, but I think you should look at /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt |
| 04:51.05 | warreng | thanks |
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| 04:52.49 | JRtheGoob | if i do a mkdir as root does that directory have root privelages |
| 04:52.59 | JRtheGoob | better asked.. can other see browse it? |
| 04:53.10 | peterS | JRtheGoob: you can't just try it? |
| 04:53.33 | JRtheGoob | peterS, true |
| 04:56.17 | JRtheGoob | whats the difference between a hard link and a soft link |
| 04:56.46 | SimonRaven | man ln |
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| 04:57.22 | JRtheGoob | it doesnt say other than the fact that hard links must exist |
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| 04:58.45 | SimonRaven | keep reading |
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| 05:01.06 | gpm | hey, i just downloaded a java program that's a jar...how do i run it? |
| 05:01.26 | lazydot | gpm: java -jar pkg.jar |
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| 05:01.45 | gpm | cool |
| 05:01.46 | gpm | thank |
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| 05:04.16 | hammerabi | is it like a SlayerXP patch but with less bitterness? |
| 05:04.27 | hammerabi | JRtheGoob: do you know what an inode is? |
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| 05:04.58 | peterS | hammerabi: I'm not sure how much bitterness he normally uses |
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| 05:05.10 | peterS | hammerabi: he also claims it's his birthday, btw. |
| 05:05.10 | peterS | so |
| 05:05.16 | peterS | happy birthday, SlammerXP |
| 05:05.24 | JRtheGoob | whats a good command line ftp client |
| 05:05.34 | JRtheGoob | ftp doesnt even allow you get directories |
| 05:05.35 | peterS | JRtheGoob: ncftp, lftp |
| 05:05.43 | npx | ncftp is nice! |
| 05:05.58 | peterS | I been with ncftp for 11 years, not gonna give up on it now |
| 05:06.56 | peterS | even though I once filed a bug asking the ftpmasters to remove it from debian |
| 05:07.13 | bleaked | where would one put milkdrop presets for projectM? |
| 05:07.23 | peterS | this was not proper procedure, as I was told at the time. I should have just asked the maintainers to do something about the license problem |
| 05:08.34 | npx | there is/was a license problem? i had no idea |
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| 05:09.03 | JRtheGoob | how would i do a quick search and replace through all files in a directory |
| 05:09.22 | peterS | npx: ncftp version 3 was a sort of demo app for the non-free libNcFTP product from the same author |
| 05:09.33 | bcc | where can i find description of kernel modules? |
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| 05:09.34 | peterS | npx: libncftp was shipped in the ncftp tarball with a plea not to pirate it |
| 05:09.58 | peterS | npx: the problem was resolved by convincing mike gleason to just GPL libncftp |
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| 05:10.23 | peterS | bcc: the 'modinfo' command displays any comments that were embedded in the module itself |
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| 05:10.51 | marc7 | i'm having a problem where the debian 3.1_r0a netinst cd image doesn't have support for hardware (eg: raid) that I need to continue with installation... so I'm trying a different approach: providing images to different servers over TFTP and netboooting them. would anybody recommend dhcpd over bootpd? |
| 05:10.53 | peterS | npx: I guess eventually he realised nobody was gonna buy libncftp anyway, who hadn't already done so. anyway, ncftp version 2 has always been free |
| 05:11.33 | bcc | peterS: thanks |
| 05:11.36 | peterS | marc7: whatever gets the job done. dhcpd has the advantage of doing useful things for machines who *don't* netboot as well as machines that do |
| 05:12.20 | npx | yeah, I do feel for him a bit though |
| 05:12.24 | npx | it's a great piece of software |
| 05:12.28 | npx | I'd give him $20 to use it |
| 05:12.29 | marc7 | *nod* it's a server environment, so we don't *really* need to change leases that often, but come to think of it I can see how that could come in handy. |
| 05:12.57 | peterS | npx: he sold a non-free 'ncftpd' as well. the world has moved on, there are great free ftp server implementations now, but at the time it probably filled a niche |
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| 05:13.54 | peterS | hey, when did vulture lose his The? |
| 05:14.03 | Phated | Some time ago. |
| 05:14.26 | peterS | are you ever going to lose your Pha and become just 'ted'? |
| 05:14.48 | bleaked | lol |
| 05:14.52 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.53 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.11 | bleaked | nice |
| 05:15.26 | peterS | it's what I'm known for, just ask http://debstats.dontexist.org |
| 05:15.44 | Phated | \o/ |
| 05:15.56 | npx | i think this may be the busiest non-warez channel on the planet |
| 05:16.12 | Phated | I'll never be a ted! |
| 05:16.41 | benjamindees | low cost |
| 05:16.42 | peterS | ted is a perfectly nice name |
| 05:16.49 | stasis | you bastard! my mom's a ted |
| 05:17.08 | bleaked | npx. #gentoo is slightly larger |
| 05:17.13 | npx | Poor Guerin, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 2 times. |
| 05:17.16 | npx | hahaha |
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| 05:18.24 | peterS | pisg uses some reasonable but not entirely accurate heuristics for its 'most/least' stats |
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| 05:19.55 | npx | bleaked, i can't imagine why =) |
| 05:20.11 | lazydot | i have a problem with mysqld: all connections attemps to the public interface are refused by mysqld |
| 05:20.24 | lazydot | i tried to fix this but without sucess |
| 05:20.42 | jbroome | stasis: he said 'ted' not 'tard' |
| 05:20.51 | peterS | npx: either it's more popular or its users need more user support. you decide. |
| 05:20.56 | lazydot | dondelelcaro are you still there? |
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| 05:21.09 | jbroome | lazydot: i think there's a setting that tells it which ifaces to listen on |
| 05:21.45 | lazydot | jbroome: i have setting in my mysql.cnf that says the bind adress is 192.168.0.202 |
| 05:22.00 | lazydot | and my eth0 is configured via dhcp with this adress |
| 05:23.08 | lazydot | i can connect with phpmyadmin from other PC to the mysqld on 192.168.0.202 |
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| 05:23.38 | lazydot | but on the same pc (192.168.0.202) with mysql -u root -h 192.168.0.202 -p |
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| 05:24.00 | stasis | i completely missed that, i usually ignore sentences with the "word" tard in them. In any case that's not a very nice thing to say about someone's mother |
| 05:24.16 | npx | hahaha |
| 05:24.19 | lazydot | but on the same pc not ^^ |
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| 05:25.22 | lazydot | did anyone know why mysqld blocks all conections to 192.168.0.202? |
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| 05:25.44 | hammerabi | you're being silly |
| 05:25.48 | quenix | hi, does anyone tell me which package/conf create cdrom entry in /etc/fstab while installing debian for frist time exm: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ... |
| 05:25.49 | lazydot | it cant be wrong configuration, but it sould |
| 05:25.50 | hammerabi | look at what's actually happening |
| 05:25.58 | hammerabi | lazydot: look at your iptables rules |
| 05:26.27 | npx | peterS, so basically: it's users are dumb, or it's users are dumb? |
| 05:26.36 | peterS | !' |
| 05:26.37 | dpkg | How to Use Apostrophes: http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif |
| 05:26.44 | peterS | dumb is such a harsh word |
| 05:26.51 | npx | hahaha |
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| 05:27.12 | npx | i just can't imagine what would possess someone to use source packages |
| 05:27.15 | lazydot | hammerabi: i have bastille as firewall and i had allowed 3306 port (mysql port) on public interface |
| 05:27.17 | peterS | maybe ignorant and unthinking is a better characterisation |
| 05:27.22 | Boukensya | Need just a little theory for apache 2 if anyone can assist. in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf should have a line "NameVirtualHost IPADDRESS HERE" ?? and the vhost themselves should have a <VirtualHost IPADDRESS HERE> ? ?? |
| 05:27.24 | hammerabi | lazydot: haha |
| 05:27.54 | lazydot | hammerabi: ?? |
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| 05:28.10 | hammerabi | lazydot: don't use bastille then |
| 05:28.27 | peterS | Boukensya: virtual hosts in apache2 are traditionally handled with files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and the a2ensite / a2dissite scripts |
| 05:29.04 | peterS | Boukensya: use /etc/apache2/sites-available/default as a template, it's pretty reasonable |
| 05:29.05 | Boukensya | so I don't need that? ok cool... gotta get my head around this |
| 05:29.17 | peterS | Boukensya: and yes, it uses NameVirtualHosts and stuff |
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| 05:29.30 | peterS | uh, I mean NameVirtualHost of course |
| 05:30.18 | lazydot | hammerabi: but it works to me more than a year |
| 05:30.26 | Boukensya | but doesn't need it in the apache2.conf? |
| 05:30.31 | hammerabi | lazydot: clearly not |
| 05:30.38 | hammerabi | lazydot: now get rid of your firewall, reboot, and see if mysql works |
| 05:30.38 | peterS | Boukensya: a2ensite takes care of that |
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| 05:31.37 | peterS | Boukensya: basically the existence of a file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ makes apache2 pick it up automatically. a2ensite is just a fancy wrapper around putting a file (really a symlink) in there |
| 05:32.15 | Boukensya | peterS, yeah, I remember I had some problems before and had to add something to get the virtualhost to actually direct properly (kept going to the default page) |
| 05:32.44 | Boukensya | when I try to start apache now it keeps telling me stuff like "Apache2Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/www/gda.com.au/public_html] does not exist" but it does exist |
| 05:32.54 | lazydot | hammerabi: ok i try it 1 time more |
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| 05:33.50 | peterS | Boukensya: when a daemon disagrees with you about whether some directory exists, sometimes it's because of a chroot setting. I don't run apache2 so I don't know if the debian setup is prone to that problem |
| 05:34.32 | Boukensya | peterS, ohh that makes sense as I am using pure-ftpd virtual users and chrooting them into he directory |
| 05:34.35 | Boukensya | how would I fix this? |
| 05:34.58 | peterS | Boukensya: I'm confused, you said apache2 is complaining, now you're talking about pure-ftpd |
| 05:35.09 | peterS | Boukensya: anyway, as I don't run either apache2 or pure-ftpd, you're kind of on your own |
| 05:35.15 | Boukensya | well pure-ftpd chroots their directories |
| 05:35.45 | Boukensya | ok, so the error would probably be because of that maybe? |
| 05:35.51 | peterS | I don't see how that pertains to apache2 |
| 05:36.01 | Boukensya | ok |
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| 05:37.26 | diana | /var/mail/diana doesn't exist...how can I dpkg-reconfigure to setup mail? |
| 05:40.00 | Boukensya | peterS, haha hit me (): I spelt the names wrong |
| 05:40.05 | peterS | Boukensya: ha |
| 05:40.09 | kspath | diana: you do not want to just touch /var/mail/diana; chown diana /var/mail/diana ? |
| 05:40.21 | diana | kspath: ok |
| 05:40.25 | lazydot | hammerabi: i had rebooted but without any susscess, in my firewall i have this rule: -A PUB_IN -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3306 -j PAROLE |
| 05:40.26 | kapil | diana: /var/mail/diana will not exist until someone sends you mail. try sending yourself mail :) |
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| 05:40.35 | lazydot | hammerabi: for udp too |
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| 05:40.52 | diana | kapil: But when I formatted...I was asked questions about mail...and I said "no configuration at this time" |
| 05:41.00 | npx | Will I actually see a real performance increase in everyday browsing if I use a squid proxy? |
| 05:41.02 | diana | How can I get that ncurses window back and configure it. |
| 05:41.16 | kspath | diana: that was for you MTA most likely |
| 05:41.16 | npx | I typically go to the same sites quite a bit for news, mail, etc |
| 05:41.18 | peterS | diana: with the default debian install? dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 05:41.26 | diana | k |
| 05:41.28 | lazydot | hammerabi: so should i complete remove --purge bastille and than isntall a better one? |
| 05:41.29 | caphuso | exim4-config |
| 05:41.42 | kspath | diana: /var/mail/username is where your mailbox is |
| 05:42.10 | peterS | eh I believe diana figured that much out already |
| 05:42.12 | Boukensya | peterS, how can I diagnose where the vhost are going wrong? as it keeps going to the default vhost |
| 05:42.32 | kspath | diana: what mail client? mutt? elm? pine? |
| 05:42.43 | lazydot | hammerabi: what one should i install instead? |
| 05:42.54 | peterS | Boukensya: make sure apache2 is restarted ('apache2ctl graceful') when you make those changes |
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| 05:43.15 | SimonRaven | apache2ctl -S tests your vhosts |
| 05:43.19 | kspath | diana: ignore me you need your server working first |
| 05:43.19 | diana | How can I setup fetchyahoo (apt-get install fetchyahoo) and mozilla-thunderbird? |
| 05:43.19 | Vooloo | what is the "best" webmail system that you can configure, theme, edit any way you want? |
| 05:43.47 | diana | peterS: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 does nothing. |
| 05:43.58 | Boukensya | peterS, yeah i is, keeps going back to default page still.. I have played around with the default vhost but still no luck |
| 05:44.14 | caphuso | diana: exim4-config not exim4 |
| 05:44.16 | kspath | diana: I am only familiar with fetchmail not anything for yahoomail or gmail |
| 05:44.26 | lazydot | diana: try with configure-debian than go to the mail section and reconfigure exim4 from there |
| 05:44.29 | peterS | Boukensya: do what SimonRaven says |
| 05:44.56 | diana | kspath: yahoo doesn't support pop3...so someone wrote an open source hack to get yahoo mail. |
| 05:45.18 | Boukensya | syntax is okay |
| 05:45.37 | kspath | diana: nice but you need need your local server set up if you want to use /var/mail/username mail file |
| 05:45.44 | SimonRaven | the syntax check won't tell you anything about what's wrong with the vhosts |
| 05:45.47 | Boukensya | at the begining of the vhost files should I have "NameVirtualHost IPADDYHERE" ? |
| 05:46.41 | SimonRaven | 1) how IPs do you have, and do you have any HTTPS vhosts? |
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| 05:46.52 | SimonRaven | 2) if just the one IP, just put * |
| 05:46.56 | kspath | diana: if you only use thunderbird you could just use remote smtp server and remote pop server but it is best to have your local mail server running so your daily maintenance script can send you and/or root emails about stuffs |
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| 05:47.11 | Boukensya | SimonRaven, 1) only 1 ip |
| 05:47.18 | Boukensya | cool |
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| 05:47.20 | Boukensya | will try with that |
| 05:47.25 | kspath | diana: also you man want to send email from command line at some point or have a script send some |
| 05:47.37 | peterS | ok I give up. what is C17H21NO4? |
| 05:47.48 | kspath | diana: may want not man sorry |
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| 05:48.01 | SimonRaven | tnt? |
| 05:48.05 | caphuso | peterS: cocaine, IIRC |
| 05:48.10 | peterS | oh ok |
| 05:48.10 | cast | aye, its coke |
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| 05:48.26 | Boukensya | SimonRaven, when I do that it goes: [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
| 05:48.26 | Boukensya | [Tue Dec 20 21:50:51 2005] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
| 05:48.28 | npx | what is crack? |
| 05:48.28 | cast | the 'NO' made my think of explosives first :) |
| 05:48.40 | diana | kspath: yahoo doesn't support pop3 unless you pay them. |
| 05:48.52 | peterS | so the other day when Coke was getting irc name conflicts ... maybe this is the guy who kept taking his nick |
| 05:48.53 | lazydot | diana: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should work for you |
| 05:48.56 | SimonRaven | Boukensya: <VirtualHost *> |
| 05:49.23 | kspath | lazydot: she is gone already |
| 05:49.37 | lazydot | ah i see |
| 05:49.48 | npx | that's a way cooler nick than Coke |
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| 05:50.34 | C17H21NO4 | How does make-kpkg decide what modules to put in the initrd image? |
| 05:50.36 | Boukensya | SimonRaven, it was happening because "NameVirtualHost" was in the defaul and the other vhost |
| 05:50.58 | peterS | C17H21NO4: it runs 'mkinitrd' which has three implementations in debian. the three implementations work differently. |
| 05:51.12 | SimonRaven | the first one is default. setting ServerName for each vhost differentiates |
| 05:51.36 | peterS | C17H21NO4: the 'yaird' implementation tries to deduce module names based on reading stuff in /sys. the 'initrd-tools' implementation just throws all possible modules in there (it seems to me). I'm not sure what the 'initramfs-tools' implementation does. |
| 05:51.44 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: What do the kernel maintainers use? I notice that my initrd does not include some modules namely vesafb |
| 05:51.50 | Boukensya | SimonRaven, Well now no error when I restart the services, but vhost still don't work |
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| 05:52.05 | lazydot | can somebody recommend a good firewall frontend that is configurable in text mode? iptables is to hard for me |
| 05:52.22 | SimonRaven | Boukensya: lemme see your conf. /msg dpkg paster |
| 05:52.23 | peterS | C17H21NO4: I think yaird will become the default when its problems with 2.6.15 (or so) kernels are worked out. but initramfs-tools sometimes works better, reportedly |
| 05:52.40 | peterS | C17H21NO4: for 2.4 kernels, only initrd-tools works at all |
| 05:52.52 | Boukensya | SimonRaven, which conf you wanna see? |
| 05:52.55 | SimonRaven | cast: yeh, you're right |
| 05:53.24 | SimonRaven | the main one with the vhost info, and the other(s) vhost(s) not working |
| 05:53.30 | beardy | lazydot: firehol |
| 05:54.24 | SimonRaven | vhost info bit, rather |
| 05:54.29 | SimonRaven | bits* |
| 05:54.31 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: How does make-kpkg decide which one to use? /etc/alternatives? |
| 05:54.38 | peterS | C17H21NO4: /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 05:55.05 | peterS | C17H21NO4: the 'ramdisk=' option. I think newer kernel packages have a default order of ones they try, if that is absent |
| 05:55.29 | lazydot | beardy thanks i foudn it with apt-cache alredy, trying to install it now |
| 05:55.53 | beardy | lazydot: ulog is nice to use with it to, for it's logging |
| 05:56.07 | beardy | too |
| 05:56.13 | Boukensya | SimonRaven, saying there is toomany queries from me |
| 05:56.15 | Boukensya | I will use pastbin |
| 05:56.36 | lazydot | beardy: ah ok thanks |
| 05:56.56 | Boukensya | http://pastebin.com/471332 -- SimonRaven |
| 05:57.03 | beardy | lazydot: /usr/share/doc/firehol/examples, and their site, and the manual. |
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| 05:57.15 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: So what would be the easiest way to get my initrd, to be exactly like the distributed ones. Mine does not include capability or vesafb and more I am sure. |
| 05:58.06 | peterS | C17H21NO4: well, all initrds are built on your system, not distributed. that's the reason an initrd is needed at all - to customise the boot process for your own machine |
| 05:58.34 | peterS | C17H21NO4: that being the case, I don't know why a debian kernel would load vesafb but your own kernel not, since they use the same /etc/kernel-img.conf. make sure you've *enabled* the vesafb module in the first place |
| 05:58.40 | Boukensya | btw SimonRaven, scriptingiscool.co.nz is a made up domain, I added it to the dns server to point to the server to just test vhost |
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| 05:58.56 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: It's not included in the kernel-image debs? |
| 05:59.10 | SimonRaven | ok, good |
| 05:59.20 | beardy | C17H21NO4: and don't have appended video=vga16:off to your kernel, to diable the vesafb |
| 05:59.23 | peterS | C17H21NO4: there'd be no point in an initrd in that case, why not just put the equivalent stuff directly into the kernel. no, it has to be generated on the machine that will boot the kernel |
| 06:00.00 | peterS | C17H21NO4: unless you're booting like an install CD, in which case the initrd exists because there's no installed system to boot into |
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| 06:00.19 | SimonRaven | Boukensya: you need a ServerName for the default one too |
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| 06:00.39 | Boukensya | I did have that there, but then it gets an error when I restart apache |
| 06:01.05 | Boukensya | [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
| 06:01.05 | Boukensya | [Tue Dec 20 22:03:52 2005] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 06:01.14 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: That makes sense. I wonder why they are so different? I just apply a couple of small patches the the source and then make-kpkg it. I don't change the I don't change anything in the config. |
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| 06:01.34 | chrisben | Heya everyone, would anyone have a clue how to co about making courier accept user@domain.com usernames, for a authpam setup (non-virtual users) |
| 06:01.35 | peterS | C17H21NO4: valid question, one I don't have an answer to |
| 06:01.47 | SimonRaven | ok hold on, i'm missing something |
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| 06:02.03 | peterS | C17H21NO4: there are plenty of things one can do wrong in building a kernel, I have to just take your word for it you didn't do those things (: |
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| 06:02.57 | peterS | C17H21NO4: one possibility is that the kernel .deb was installed before the present version of initramfs-tools or yaird or whatever was installed, and they behave differently. remember, the initrd image is generated at install time, not every time you upgrade yaird & friends |
| 06:03.14 | SimonRaven | Boukensya: ok, i have NameVirtualHost *:80 in my main conf (apache2.conf); my default vhost has an IP, due to it also being HTTPS, but (more) |
| 06:03.26 | peterS | C17H21NO4: note, you can forcibly regenerate an initrd with 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-....' |
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| 06:03.56 | SimonRaven | Boukensya: then i have <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 06:04.32 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: I only have initrd-tools, so it must be using that. |
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| 06:05.05 | Boukensya | SimonRaven, so what should I do to test? |
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| 06:05.28 | _joey | Ihave this entry in /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive vfat rwx,user,noauto 0 0. however, when I move executable which I built myself in that dir I can't execute, I get a message permission denied. What is the problem ? |
| 06:05.47 | SimonRaven | Boukensya: you can leave off the port spec, run apache2ctl -S again |
| 06:05.48 | nudenurd | hey guys... I'l be upfront with you all - I don't like Debian! However, I have recently started working for a company who have one of their main servers running Debian 3 |
| 06:06.01 | _joey | the same executable app runs fie in $HOME |
| 06:06.02 | nudenurd | It seems I need to do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:06.11 | peterS | _joey: you want 'umask=022' or something on that line |
| 06:06.12 | nudenurd | however, if this server breaks, I'll be castrated |
| 06:06.13 | beardy | nudenurd: You know how to make an entry ;) |
| 06:06.21 | Boukensya | Syntax ok |
| 06:06.25 | peterS | _joey: instead of 'rwx' which, I believe, does nothing at all |
| 06:06.26 | _joey | peterS: for directory ? |
| 06:06.40 | nudenurd | beardy: why thankyou :) |
| 06:06.50 | peterS | _joey: or 'umask=0' if you want everyone to be able to write to the directory any time it is mounted |
| 06:07.06 | _joey | should I just run chmod -R 0755 /dir ? |
| 06:07.11 | Boukensya | so should I have a NameVirtualHost in my main file? |
| 06:07.18 | nudenurd | I'm very nervous. this dist-upgrade is going to update my mail server, samba and a few other things. |
| 06:07.27 | peterS | _joey: no, it's something you need in fstab |
| 06:07.29 | _joey | peterS: I can write in directory |
| 06:07.36 | nudenurd | what are the chances of something going drastically wrong? can I undo the changes that apt-get makes? |
| 06:07.38 | _joey | and read but not execute |
| 06:07.39 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 06:07.51 | beardy | nudenurd: Please paste what this outputs, 'cat /etc/debian_version', and then ask your question. |
| 06:08.05 | peterS | _joey: do what I said then. umask=022 or umask=0 in /etc/fstab. then unmount and remount |
| 06:08.06 | cahoot | _joey: user implies noexec AFAIK |
| 06:08.16 | nudenurd | I'm using 3.1rc0 I think |
| 06:08.21 | peterS | cahoot: oh does it? I didn't think it did |
| 06:08.42 | nudenurd | 3.1 definately, can't remember the RC |
| 06:08.54 | beardy | nudenurd: Just do what I said please. |
| 06:09.09 | nudenurd | http://pastebin.com/471337 |
| 06:09.11 | nudenurd | 3.1 |
| 06:09.45 | nudenurd | do I have to ask my question again? :-) |
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| 06:10.11 | cahoot | peterS: yes (just checked the man page to be sure) |
| 06:10.17 | lazydot | beardy: i less'ed the axamples from /usr/share/doc/firehol/exampels/ |
| 06:10.42 | peterS | _joey: in light of what cahoot just said, you want to change 'user' to 'user,exec' in /etc/fstab as well |
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| 06:10.59 | lazydot | beardy: no so easy to use as bastille but if it will work... =) |
| 06:11.03 | beardy | nudenurd: We haven't really seen the question yet. |
| 06:11.16 | _joey | peterS: 022 and 0 in fstab didn't help |
| 06:11.18 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: Thanks for pointing my in the right direction. I added vesafb to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image*, and there it is. |
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| 06:11.21 | _joey | okay |
| 06:11.55 | peterS | C17H21NO4: *nod*. that'll work with initrd-tools, you'll need something else if you ever migrate to newer kernels that require those other alternatives (initrd-tools broke somewhere around 2.6.11, I think) |
| 06:11.58 | nudenurd | beardy: I'm scared to run apt-get dist-upgrade without --simulate stuck on the end |
| 06:12.21 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: Uhh, I'm on 2.6.12?? |
| 06:12.22 | _joey | :)) |
| 06:12.28 | nudenurd | beardy: I'm working on a very important server, if it breaks I'll be here all night fixing it (I have better things to be doing) |
| 06:12.29 | _joey | user,exec fixed it |
| 06:12.44 | beardy | lazydot: If one of the examples suits your needs, you could use that as a start, makes it a bit easier than writing a config from scratch. |
| 06:12.47 | nudenurd | beardy: My question is: what's the likely hood of apt-get breaking my server? |
| 06:12.54 | peterS | C17H21NO4: I could be wrong about the range of supported kernels. I do believe initrd-tools is not considered viable in the long term |
| 06:13.24 | C17H21NO4 | peterS: And yaird is the replacement? |
| 06:13.41 | peterS | C17H21NO4: yaird and initramfs-tools are both replacements. I do not know which will "win" in the end |
| 06:13.57 | lazydot | beardy: yes, i taked one from it as my config file and try to vim it yet |
| 06:14.05 | lazydot | beardy: thanks |
| 06:14.48 | g3brown | I made a compiled a kernel object for a SATA controller. How do I add it to my initrd image? I'm stupid so if you could explain in "stupid" I would appreciate it. |
| 06:15.08 | beardy | nudenurd: Ok, but it is like this, when someone that is trying to help you asks you to do a simple thing to make it easier to helpy you, do what the person says (if you can determine that the command is not harmful) I assume youäre running woody, allthough you haven'tsaid so.. |
| 06:15.18 | jm_ | !tell beardy -about norootfs |
| 06:15.26 | nudenurd | root@apollo:/etc/ldap# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:15.26 | nudenurd | 3.1 |
| 06:15.30 | beardy | jm_: ? |
| 06:15.36 | nudenurd | that was my answer... |
| 06:15.47 | jm_ | beardy: ! |
| 06:15.49 | beardy | nudenurd: oh, sorry then |
| 06:15.58 | beardy | jm_: What? |
| 06:16.10 | jm_ | beardy: what dpkg told you |
| 06:16.21 | buu | Anyone know how to make 'identd' lie? |
| 06:16.24 | beardy | jm_: What are you on about? |
| 06:16.34 | nudenurd | beardy: I've never really used Debian. I'm a SlackMan |
| 06:16.35 | beardy | jm_: I haven't asked anything. |
| 06:16.38 | jm_ | beardy: gah sorry, it's too early |
| 06:16.46 | jm_ | !tell g3brown -about norootfs |
| 06:16.49 | jm_ | there |
| 06:17.05 | peterS | buu: there are multiple identds in debian. I use 'ident2' and it reads ~/.ident |
| 06:17.42 | peterS | buu: see 'man ident2', the -i and -n options to stick in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 06:18.17 | beardy | nudenurd: Why are you going torun dist-upgrade? |
| 06:18.30 | nudenurd | http://pastebin.com/471337 |
| 06:18.46 | nudenurd | Because there's things to update |
| 06:18.52 | g3brown | jm_: There is already a boot image for my sata controller? I'm don't understand that 100%. |
| 06:18.57 | benjamindees | jm_, his module is 3rd party and can't be compiled in the kernel |
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| 06:19.26 | buu | peterS: Ahh.. |
| 06:19.36 | nudenurd | the previous sysadmin here wrote a script to email the sysadmins when there was updates available for the server. My boss wants me to update it, and I just want to make sure that by doing so, I won't condem my evening to fixing a debian box |
| 06:20.05 | jm_ | g3brown: you mean kernel doesn't have support for this controller or why is it you're using external driver? |
| 06:20.15 | beardy | nudenurd: When updating your system, you don't use dist-upgrade, you use 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade'. |
| 06:20.52 | beardy | nudenurd: dist-upgrade is used when upgrading from one version of Debian to another, and that is not what you should do |
| 06:20.54 | lazydot | beardy: only one question i have only one inface and outface as the same (eht0) im connected through my router to the internet but I'll offer hhtp{s}, ssh and mysql on the eth0 |
| 06:21.14 | lazydot | beardy: so sould I specify inface and outface as the same eth0? |
| 06:21.22 | g3brown | jm_: the kernel doesn't support the marvell sata controller I'm using. So I followed instructions to build a mv_sata.ko file. Now I believe I need to add it to my initrd. |
| 06:21.32 | nudenurd | beardy: this is the email I recvd in my inbox: http://pastebin.com/471347 |
| 06:21.45 | beardy | lazydot: Yes, you have to, wouldn't you? |
| 06:21.59 | lazydot | beardy: ok thanks again |
| 06:22.00 | jm_ | g3brown: right, doesn't mkinitrd/whatever tool you're using to build the image do it? |
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| 06:22.22 | nudenurd | beardy: I've only worked here for a couple of months, I'm still trying to work out half the systems. The last sysadmin was a debian guru, hence all these automated things. |
| 06:22.48 | g3brown | jm_: I built the ko from source files supplied by Marvell I guess. |
| 06:22.50 | dabaR | What is a great DNS server that never changes his IP address? |
| 06:22.59 | jm_ | g3brown: which controller is it? |
| 06:23.40 | g3brown | jm_: Marvell 88SC5080 on Intel 875P chipset |
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| 06:24.02 | g3brown | jm: Oops, Marvell 88SX5080 I mean |
| 06:24.07 | beardy | nudenurd: The person who toldyou to do that has probably mixed things up for him/herself. apt-get update and apt-get upgrade is what you should do. And it will not hurt your system. What happens is that packages that has security upgrades will be downloaded and installed, in place of the old packages. |
| 06:24.31 | jm_ | g3brown: 2.6.14 supports it |
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| 06:24.57 | vampire | hi |
| 06:25.02 | beardy | !debian mantra |
| 06:25.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
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| 06:25.20 | g3brown | jm_: I have 2.6.8. I wasn't comfortable using another version, as I don't know what I'm doing. |
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| 06:25.28 | nudenurd | beardy: ok |
| 06:25.29 | beardy | nudenurd: You can use aptitude instead of apt-get too. |
| 06:25.47 | jm_ | g3brown: right, well just compile the kernel with initrd support and let it be included and loaded at boot |
| 06:26.08 | nudenurd | beardy: I'm a little hesitant to do anything at all on the system at all. There are over 360,000 people relying on it |
| 06:26.34 | beardy | nudenurd: Well, you can sit there and run --simulate a couple of weeks if you want to :) |
| 06:26.45 | nudenurd | I think I might just make an image of it over night tonight and do the update tomorrow |
| 06:26.55 | nudenurd | beardy: that'd make me feel better :) |
| 06:26.56 | jcress | trying to use net install to install debian (stable). I'm on a laptop. When the cd boots I can press f1, f2 et cetera to view the help, but when I press enter to begin the boot and the language selection screen comes up, the keyboard won't work. I tried booting "Linux acpi=off" and that didn't work. any help? |
| 06:27.02 | g3brown | jm_: I still don't understand. I make a kernel object, now I have to recompile the whole kernel? |
| 06:27.12 | nudenurd | beardy: it's just my knackers are on the chopping block - I really can't afford to get this wrong |
| 06:27.31 | jm_ | g3brown: no, you need to install this module and rebuild initrd image so that it's included in it |
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| 06:28.17 | benjamindees | jm_, the module source didn't include any "installation". that's what he's looking for |
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| 06:28.54 | beardy | nudenurd: Run 'apt-get upgrade --simulate' and see for yourself. dist-upgrade and upgrade doesn't differ, since you haven't changed your sources.list, but it's not ncessary, or recommended to use dist-upgrade when it is upgrade you should be using. |
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| 06:29.25 | jcress | any help? |
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| 06:30.08 | jm_ | benjamindees: Makefile has no install target or similar? |
| 06:30.19 | Omniflux | I just installed amd64/sid and everytime I boot up my clock gets set back by my timezone (-7). I have UTC set to 'no' in /etc/default/rcS. What is probably causing this? |
| 06:30.29 | cast | jcress: its not quite help, just another approach. if you can boot off a knoppix cd you can install from there using debootstrap :) |
| 06:31.00 | beardy | nudenurd: It is of course up to you, but what else can you do than upgrade? Upgrading Debian stable is not dangerous at all, it's named stable for a reason. If you don't upgrade, worse things might happen. |
| 06:31.08 | lazydot | jcress: do you installing debian on your laptop? |
| 06:31.09 | jcress | cast - is there an iso i need to download for debootstrap? |
| 06:31.14 | jcress | lazydot trying to |
| 06:31.17 | benjamindees | jm_, not that I can tell |
| 06:31.27 | jcress | cast - like,, how would i do that |
| 06:31.40 | jm_ | benjamindees: might be easier to download it myself and take a look |
| 06:31.49 | chalcedony | hi, how do i find out what DNS servers I am using? |
| 06:31.49 | cast | jcress: debootstrap is just a software pkg [comes in .tar.gz, .deb, maybe .rpm] that installs debian to a partition |
| 06:31.53 | lazydot | jcress: try to se is somebody had installed debian on the same lapto as you have: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org |
| 06:32.02 | caphuso | chalcedony: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:32.24 | benjamindees | jm_, ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/drivers/linux/marvell/mvsata340.zip |
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| 06:32.26 | lazydot | jcress: i have debian stable and dabian etch on 2 ibm thinkpads 570, working well for me |
| 06:32.41 | chalcedony | caphuso: ty ty ty :) |
| 06:32.48 | lazydot | jcress: tuxmobile could be a help for you too |
| 06:32.51 | dabaR | how do I find out what DNS server I am using? |
| 06:32.53 | beardy | nudenurd: I'm not sure what more I could help you with, with this.. |
| 06:32.59 | benjamindees | jm_, just a build script |
| 06:33.02 | jcress | lazydot what is tuxmobile |
| 06:33.10 | lazydot | dabaR: cat /etc/resolve.conf |
| 06:33.18 | jcress | cast where is debootstrap? |
| 06:33.23 | SimonRaven | resolv |
| 06:33.26 | jcress | cast n/m... i can google. |
| 06:33.48 | streuner | heh |
| 06:33.54 | benjamindees | jm_, this is how I had him build it: http://www.deesconsulting.com/howtos/marvell-sarge.txt |
| 06:33.57 | lazydot | jcress: http://tuxmobile.org/ |
| 06:34.08 | beardy | nudenurd: Make backups of anything important, if you haven't already. |
| 06:35.18 | lazydot | jcress: and look for you laptop modell, maybe you can find a install howto for your speciific laptop |
| 06:35.20 | beardy | nudenurd: '/msg dpkg reference' might help you get more familiar with Debian. |
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| 06:35.47 | beardy | nudenurd: For the future, I mean. |
| 06:36.57 | jm_ | benjamindees: just copy it to scsi dir manually I guess |
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| 06:38.08 | benjamindees | jm_, and then rebuild the initrd? |
| 06:38.57 | jm_ | benjamindees: right, and make sure it shows up in there and gets loaded at boot (but I suppose he doesn't need it to boot, otherwise he would simply follow the procedure from the URL you mentioned a few minutes ago) |
| 06:39.13 | Boukensya | OK, so I got virtual host to somewhat work |
| 06:39.25 | Boukensya | so the default page and another page work |
| 06:39.39 | Boukensya | but then I created another vhost to test and it just goes to the default page |
| 06:40.34 | Guerin | Boukensya: we don't care |
| 06:40.41 | Guerin | Boukensya: httpd.apache.org cares |
| 06:40.55 | beardy | nudenurd: Is the time where you are "during operating hours" now? Then perhaps you should wait until it's not. |
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| 06:41.10 | g3brown | jm_: I need it to boot. |
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| 06:41.41 | jm_ | g3brown: is Debian installed already? |
| 06:42.31 | g3brown | jm_: No, I was installing it by linux26 at first prompt and then going to console and insmod mv_sata.ko to get support for sata drive. |
| 06:42.43 | jm_ | g3brown: did that work? |
| 06:42.53 | litage | how does one create a system user with useradd? i see no option for it in the manpage |
| 06:43.07 | jm_ | system user? |
| 06:43.21 | litage | jm_: uid < 1000 |
| 06:43.22 | g3brown | jm_: Yeah, I can see the drive at that point and it will part and format and copy files. But will crash after CD eject and reboot. |
| 06:43.46 | jm_ | litage: that's not a system user, any user can have such UID, but you can specify the UID on command line if you want specific one |
| 06:44.32 | litage | jm_: adduser's manpage talks about system users.. |
| 06:44.38 | beardy | litage: use adduser instead |
| 06:44.42 | cat | !yum |
| 06:44.54 | cat | info yum |
| 06:45.02 | jm_ | g3brown: then simply copy it to the dir with SCSI drivers and other SATA drivers and rebuild initrd image |
| 06:45.32 | g3brown | jm_: how do I rebuild the initrd and at what point? |
| 06:45.46 | beardy | litage: But why doyou need to create a "system user"? |
| 06:46.02 | jm_ | litage: it calls them that because of nogroup and no useful shell I guess |
| 06:46.06 | jm_ | g3brown: mkinitrd |
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| 06:46.47 | g3brown | jm_: Can I do that after I insmod on initial install ? |
| 06:47.00 | benjamindees | g3brown, no you can't |
| 06:47.01 | litage | beardy: i'm trying to convert a script that was written for redhat systems, and it uses useradd's -r option, which creates a system user: -r This flag is used to create a system account. That is, a user with a UID lower than the value of UID_MIN defined in /etc/login.defs and whose password does not expire. |
| 06:47.23 | benjamindees | g3brown, you can restart from the rescue cd and do it though |
| 06:47.27 | caphuso | jm_: it calls them that because their UID is between {FIRST,LAST}_SYSTEM_UID as defined in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 06:47.42 | jm_ | g3brown: no, it would be better if you boot later with say GRML or Knoppix |
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| 06:48.11 | beardy | nudenurd quit? how rude.. |
| 06:48.14 | jm_ | caphuso: indeed, there's a paragraph in man page, haven't spotted it earlier |
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| 06:48.53 | g3brown | jm_: I have a Knoppix DVD and a DSL cd. When I boot to it, do I need to mount the other system or what? |
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| 06:49.50 | beardy | litage: And why do you need such a user, is it because the not expiring password? That is the default for users created with adduser.. |
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| 06:50.25 | jm_ | g3brown: doesn't it automatically mount it for you or at least add it to fstab? if so, then simply mount it if needed and chroot |
| 06:50.31 | lazydot | beardy: one question more, can i specifiy not only service name like: "server http accept" but such thinkg: "server 3306 accept" ? |
| 06:50.55 | g3brown | jm_: and then simply type mkinitrd ? |
| 06:52.15 | litage | beardy: i'm just trying to convert this script, that's all |
| 06:52.17 | litage | :) |
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| 06:53.33 | jm_ | g3brown: no, mkinitrd -o myinitrd.img <kernelver> |
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| 06:53.54 | lazydot | beardy: if some service is in my /etc/services I can define it as "server servicename accept", could I? |
| 06:53.56 | beardy | lazydot: You have to define your own "alias" or service, or what they call it, look at /usr/share/doc/firehol/examples/bittorrent.conf, that's how you do it, in that case, the service is called torrent |
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| 06:54.28 | lazydot | beardy: ok thanks |
| 06:54.50 | beardy | lazydot: But I guess the documentation can explain it better for you. |
| 06:55.07 | dabaR | lazydot: thanks, we got it fixed, thank you. (regarding the /etc/resolv.conf) |
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| 06:55.52 | beardy | lazydot: Oh, /usr/share/doc/firehol/README.Services, check /usr/share/doc/<package> next time.. |
| 06:56.06 | lazydot | beardy: ok =) |
| 06:56.35 | lazydot | beardy: i didnt slept for 20 hours right now, not so easy to me to work now |
| 06:56.53 | lazydot | beardy: i though you would using firehol too |
| 06:56.55 | beardy | lazydot: Something like that for me too. |
| 06:57.05 | g3brown | jm_: I copy the mv_sata.ko I make to the scsi directory from Knoppix? |
| 06:57.50 | beardy | lazydot: I am, but I haven't been in need of configuring it that much (and I don't have everything in my head all the time..) |
| 06:57.52 | lazydot | dabaR: i had have the problem with dns servers few monthes ago, glade to help you |
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| 06:58.52 | benjamindees | jm_, should we run depmod as well? |
| 06:59.04 | lazydot | beardy: like me, do a thing one time and search for the solution for the same problem 3 monthes later again.. |
| 06:59.20 | dabaR | lazydot: I knew about resolv.conf, the thing is that on Ubuntu, sometimes it does not exist, the file, so I thought it was same on debian, but, I guess debian always uses the resolv.conf file. |
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| 07:00.05 | lazydot | dabaR: so far i know resolv.conf is written by debian each time your interface gets up |
| 07:00.33 | dabaR | which sucks, cause the person may have to do this again. Why is it not just automatically written...OK, thanks. |
| 07:00.36 | beardy | lazydot: Well, I just mean that firehol works so nice for me that I haven't had to touch it much. |
| 07:01.11 | Guerin | lazydot: it's not, |
| 07:01.27 | benjamindees | g3brown, brb |
| 07:01.37 | Guerin | lazydot: your dhcp server might tell your dhcp client to rewrite it, but that's not the same thing. |
| 07:01.55 | lazydot | Guerin: not? each time i ifdown eth0 resolv.conf gets 0 byte and with ifup eth0 i have my dns-servers in it |
| 07:02.00 | dabaR | Guerin: so, likely it will work if the DNS server is the router? |
| 07:02.13 | lazydot | Geurin ah ok |
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| 07:02.29 | Guerin | dabaR: i don't believe it'll try the router automatically |
| 07:02.42 | Guerin | dabaR: "it" being "anything which needs to resolve a name" |
| 07:02.58 | dabaR | meaning? it will work, or not after reboot. the router is now the DNS server, and it works. |
| 07:03.01 | Guerin | if you want a dhcp server set, set it. It's not hard. |
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| 07:03.27 | Guerin | dabaR: your computer doesn't magically know that the router is a dns server. Mine certainly isn't. |
| 07:03.38 | Sebo | Hi!! Is it possible to assign more then one IP adress to my PC?? How can I do it?? |
| 07:03.45 | Guerin | Sebo: man interfaces |
| 07:03.49 | dabaR | well, the router iP is in the resolv.conf now, manually input, and it works. |
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| 07:04.10 | Guerin | dabaR: next time you do a dhcp request, that may be rewritten. |
| 07:04.22 | Guerin | unless you set it up not to be |
| 07:04.32 | lazydot | dabaR: but you are dont using dhcp? otherwise it should be rewriten each time as Guerin said |
| 07:04.35 | dabaR | hm hm...do you know how to set? |
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| 07:05.07 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 07:05.08 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself,to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 07:05.43 | Guerin | dpkg, fixresolvconf =~ s/yourself,to/yourself, or to/ |
| 07:05.43 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 07:05.44 | dabaR | what is chattr, though? a command? |
| 07:05.53 | Guerin | dabaR: obviously |
| 07:05.58 | SerajewelKS | dabaR: man chattr |
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| 07:06.11 | Guerin | dabaR: edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 07:06.28 | dabaR | Guerin: I wil see whether it works after reboot. |
| 07:06.34 | dabaR | I mean, thanks for now. |
| 07:06.35 | Guerin | !reboot? |
| 07:06.36 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 07:06.52 | dabaR | you think I should just ifdown and up? |
| 07:06.57 | dabaR | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.05 | lazydot | dabaR: why reboot? try with ifdown eth0 & ifup eth0 |
| 07:07.11 | Guerin | dabaR: yes. |
| 07:07.16 | Guerin | dabaR: why would you reboot? |
| 07:07.32 | dabaR | the thing is that because of sadistic reasons I like telling other to reboot. I am helping this person fix their issue... |
| 07:07.44 | dabaR | ^^other^others |
| 07:08.15 | dabaR | or whatever the command for that is... |
| 07:08.26 | beardy | dabaR: Sounds more like stupidness.. rm -rf / is sadistic. |
| 07:08.34 | dabaR | OK, thanks, though, eh? |
| 07:08.38 | dabaR | for the tip. |
| 07:08.53 | Guerin | eh. |
| 07:08.59 | jm_ | g3brown: no, to /lib/modules/foo/... |
| 07:09.09 | dabaR | I was not sure what it is really, you are right, I was not sure what it was that would remove the nameserver from the file. |
| 07:09.10 | jm_ | benjamindees: it won't hurt |
| 07:10.38 | dabaR | During the reboot, out of all things that happen, so, I just suggested that, so now I know it is the ifupdown that doe sit. |
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| 07:15.43 | floundering | has anyone got multiplayer d2x working under debian? |
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| 07:16.46 | dabaR | what was the factoid for resolv.conf? |
| 07:16.54 | mrme | What's d2x? |
| 07:17.09 | jm_ | I only know d4x ;) |
| 07:17.26 | Danar | for some reason my mp3 player is no longer detected when i connect it |
| 07:17.35 | Danar | can anyone help? |
| 07:17.53 | Danar | usbview doesn't see it. there's nothing in dmesg |
| 07:17.57 | sussudio | !irritate Danar |
| 07:17.58 | mrme | Danar, I know this is a Windowsey answer, but does rebooting help? I've been having similar problems lately, which rebooting seems to fix for some reason. |
| 07:17.59 | dpkg | Danar: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 07:18.04 | floundering | mrme: its a port of descent 2, the game |
| 07:18.06 | lazydot | Danar: what said tail dmesg ? |
| 07:18.14 | mrme | floundering: oh, ok, no idea, sorry |
| 07:18.22 | beardy | dabaR: fixresolvconf? |
| 07:18.30 | Danar | mrme, tried that actually, didn't work |
| 07:18.43 | mrme | Danar: ok...are you on testing or unstable or what? |
| 07:18.47 | Danar | testing |
| 07:18.56 | mrme | Danar: 2.6.8...? |
| 07:19.00 | Danar | 14 |
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| 07:19.06 | mrme | Danar: 2.6.14? |
| 07:19.06 | lazydot | Danar: what said dmesg |tail i mean |
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| 07:19.28 | Danar | lazydot, nothing relevant. just complaints about a disc i put in |
| 07:19.45 | Danar | mrme, yes |
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| 07:19.57 | lazydot | Danar: usb-core as mod installed? |
| 07:20.03 | mrme | Danar: have you verified that the player still works by checking it in another computer? |
| 07:20.04 | Danar | lazydot, yes |
| 07:20.04 | lazydot | Danar: usb-storage |
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| 07:20.16 | kevinv | Hello. |
| 07:20.25 | Danar | mrme, i don't have another one. and it still plays fine |
| 07:20.26 | mrme | kevinv: hello |
| 07:20.38 | Danar | lazydot, yes |
| 07:20.38 | mrme | Danar: do other USB devices work? |
| 07:20.43 | Danar | mrme, don't have any others |
| 07:20.48 | dabaR | lazydot: thanks again. |
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| 07:20.50 | kevinv | Has anyone ever tried using xdmcp with a 10Mbs ethernet connection? |
| 07:20.54 | benjamindees | g3brown, well of course there is no rescue mode on the debian installer :( |
| 07:20.56 | mrme | Danar: when did it stop working? |
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| 07:21.18 | lazydot | dabaR: you're welcome |
| 07:21.23 | Danar | mrme, not sure. it worked last time i tried which was a couple months ago. i tried again recently and it doesn't work anymore |
| 07:21.33 | kevinv | Will it run really laggy or will it at least be usable? |
| 07:21.38 | mrme | Danar: I would guess that you've done several upgrades since then, right? |
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| 07:21.53 | lazydot | Danar: with the same kernel / mod's? |
| 07:22.00 | kevinv | I am currently using a 100Mbs Ethernet connection, it works great :) |
| 07:22.08 | g3brown | benjamindees: I booted with a Knoppix disc as jm_ had suggested, but I can't (1) get root access to Knoppix and (2) I can't locate the files for the other install on the HD. |
| 07:22.23 | mrme | g3brown: um..."su" on Knoppix doesn't work? |
| 07:22.25 | Sebo | man interfaces :/ ?? << But I'd like to have two difrent IPs assigned at once (i.e. I'd like to make a possibility to acces my PC by both :] not to switch them :P ) |
| 07:22.26 | Danar | mrme, yes |
| 07:22.27 | kevinv | It's my home lan. I own one 80GB Hard Disc and tons of cheap systems. |
| 07:22.36 | Danar | lazydot, AFAIK |
| 07:22.41 | mrme | Danar: hard to say then. Does "lsusb" show it? |
| 07:22.43 | benjamindees | g3brown, does Knoppix support your SATA controller? |
| 07:22.48 | Danar | mrme, nope |
| 07:22.48 | lazydot | Danar: try modconf and look if you have all usb mod's in your current kernel |
| 07:22.56 | kevinv | The system that's using the 80GB runs at 400Mhz Intel Celeron. |
| 07:22.57 | Danar | lazydot, lsmod says they're there.. |
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| 07:23.11 | mrme | Danar: try a different kernel, like 2.6.8, see if it works with that |
| 07:23.14 | kevinv | I am only looking to run two systems from it. |
| 07:23.24 | Danar | actually, that may be it... :/ |
| 07:23.31 | Danar | i'd rather get it working in this one though |
| 07:23.39 | dabaR | Do you think I should just add the working nameserver, and then chattr +i the file, I mean, that will work... |
| 07:23.42 | g3brown | benjamindees: I have no idea. |
| 07:23.43 | Danar | mrme, wait, my mouse is usb :p |
| 07:23.46 | grivell | g3brown: sudo bash |
| 07:23.47 | mrme | Danar: Just FYI, I'm using 2.6.13 with a mix of testing and unstable... |
| 07:24.12 | g3brown | mrme: yeah, that worked. I was confused by root terminal and super user file browser asking for it. |
| 07:24.15 | Danar | it sees my mouse fine |
| 07:24.26 | mrme | Danar: try a different kernel, that may fix your problem...if so, use that kernel for a while and try 2.6.14 in a few weeks/months |
| 07:24.39 | Danar | :/ |
| 07:24.46 | Danar | alright |
| 07:24.52 | mrme | Danar: good luck |
| 07:24.54 | Danar | thanks |
| 07:25.17 | Danar | any idea why it would stop working in a newer kernel? |
| 07:25.26 | benjamindees | kevinv, it was slow for me, but they were slow machines |
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| 07:25.53 | mrme | Danar: well, 2.6.latest-stuff is in heavy...uh...overhaul? |
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| 07:26.19 | kevinv | benjamindees, hmmm. It's running quite good with xdmcp running on a 400Mhz and I am currently using a 166Mhz machine. |
| 07:26.38 | mrme | Danar: things get changed a lot. 2.6.13 doesn't have framebuffer working for me, so no splashy. Ubuntu broke some IDE settings from hoary to breezy. |
| 07:26.50 | Danar | mrme, splash has never worked for me :/ |
| 07:27.10 | mrme | Danar: I'm using "splashy"...there are different "splash" things that aren't "splashy" :) |
| 07:27.15 | kevinv | But I am also currently running at 100Mbs, but need to run it at 10Mbs as my hub only supports 10Mbs. |
| 07:27.20 | Danar | mrme, oh, heh |
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| 07:27.27 | kevinv | I am using a crossover cable at the moment. |
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| 07:27.33 | mrme | Danar: google for debian splashy |
| 07:27.43 | Guerin | !splashy |
| 07:27.43 | dpkg | i heard splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. |
| 07:28.02 | Danar | got that already :p |
| 07:28.12 | Danar | (apt-cache search splashy) |
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| 07:29.11 | mrme | Danar: one of these days I'll upgrade to 2.6.14... |
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| 07:29.29 | mrme | Danar: I just got finished upgrading to KDE 3.4.3 |
| 07:29.38 | Danar | mrme, i keep having to upgrade to get things working. now i find i have to go backwards :/ |
| 07:29.43 | Danar | (prolly) |
| 07:29.48 | g3brown | benjamindees: No Knoppix doesn't see my sata drive on the Marvell controller. |
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| 07:29.52 | poop | Is there a workaround for the sw raid bug in unstable? |
| 07:29.58 | mrme | Danar: well, I guess if you want less fiddling, you can use Ubuntu or whatever :) |
| 07:30.14 | benjamindees | g3brown, I'm thinking maybe you can do what you need from the install cd |
| 07:30.16 | seeeS | sata? |
| 07:30.16 | Danar | mrme, well, i'd love to fiddle more and all that, i just haven't had enough time :( |
| 07:30.20 | mrme | Danar: yeah |
| 07:30.27 | seeeS | i had to use a special kernel for my sata drive in the dell sc430 |
| 07:30.32 | mrme | poop: wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable maybe |
| 07:30.37 | Danar | there's too much to do, and not enough time to do it |
| 07:30.59 | mrme | Danar: well, maybe Ubuntu or one of the other distros would be better for you...or just use Testing or Stable :) |
| 07:31.05 | Danar | i'd love to dig in to debian, learn programming, and hack away and all that :/ |
| 07:31.15 | Danar | mrme, i am using testing |
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| 07:31.39 | repp_ | Danar: you can do programming just fine in Ubuntu & others |
| 07:31.40 | mrme | Danar: :/ could be a simple config problem that you're having, I dunno...but even testing can have problems |
| 07:31.49 | Danar | repp_, i know |
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| 07:32.21 | Danar | repp_, even windows has programming stuff :p i'm not that ignorant |
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| 07:33.02 | Guerin | someone who claimed to be a linux expert in mastspace told me recently that you couldn't build a kernel on ubuntu |
| 07:33.10 | mrme | hehehe |
| 07:33.11 | Guerin | because it was 'missing some of the compilers' |
| 07:33.13 | repp_ | Danar: well, I'm just saying, while still being Linux (or at least Unix-like) |
| 07:33.18 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I think he means that he couldn't. |
| 07:33.25 | lazydot | hmm i had searched with apt-search splash{y} but nothing found, i have default ftp2-debian souerces.list |
| 07:33.28 | Guerin | he just thought I was some random eejit, bless 'im |
| 07:33.29 | mrme | poop: is that the solution you found? |
| 07:33.35 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: that's more or less what I told him. |
| 07:33.40 | cast | eejit? |
| 07:33.42 | Danar | i've thought about switching to ubuntu, but i like the way certain things are set up (certain prefs, etc), and i don't want to lose that or have to go through certain things again :/ |
| 07:33.44 | poop | mrme: I found no solution. |
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| 07:33.55 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: then he started saying it was easier in gentoo because you already have all the compilers and stuff installed |
| 07:33.56 | cast | ahh nevermind |
| 07:34.02 | mrme | Danar: for most things you can probably copy your home dir |
| 07:34.05 | grivell | I have the Via VT8251 chipset that will have support in 2.6.15. Anyone know where I can find a bootcd with it (2.6.15-pre)? |
| 07:34.09 | mrme | poop: sorry, I know nothing about sw raid |
| 07:34.11 | Guerin | he couldn't tell me how many compilers it takes to build linux from source |
| 07:34.11 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: did he compile his compiler? OH NOES! |
| 07:34.15 | Danar | lazydot, it's in experimental |
| 07:34.27 | lazydot | Danar: ah ok |
| 07:34.28 | Greek-Boy | how do u set the time in linux? |
| 07:34.32 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 07:34.32 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 07:34.35 | repp_ | Danar: yeah, perhaps just copy your home dir over, that will keep l&f stuff. |
| 07:34.37 | mrme | grivell: I guess you could roll your own |
| 07:34.38 | Guerin | Greek-Boy: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 07:34.39 | Guerin | eh |
| 07:34.54 | mrme | chrony is better than ntpdate |
| 07:35.00 | marc7 | dpkg doesn't have any useful suggestions on how to enable netbooting, does it? :) |
| 07:35.00 | Danar | i also have pointers to partitions and things that would get messed up though |
| 07:35.05 | grivell | mrme: I have a PowerPC right now :) And the target is AMD64. I imagine it would be very hard. |
| 07:35.11 | dondelelcaro | marc7: it's bios specific. |
| 07:35.17 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 07:35.18 | mrme | grivell: whoa...yeah |
| 07:35.24 | marc7 | yeah, i'm just working on setting up the dhcp server and such... no biggie. |
| 07:35.46 | mrme | Danar: pointers to partitions? you mean /etc/fstab? |
| 07:35.48 | dondelelcaro | marc7: just install dhcp3-server, tftpd, and add an appropriate stanza. |
| 07:36.03 | dondelelcaro | marc7: there are a few howtos on it; it's fairly straightforward |
| 07:36.04 | poop | cross-compiling from linux to linux isn't so bad these days |
| 07:36.05 | repp_ | Danar: ok.. but playing around with different distributions is fun and linux makes doing it a heck of a lot easier than say, migrating from Windows to *nix. |
| 07:36.11 | Danar | mrme, no, like links and stuff. certain programs have links to say, /mnt/hdb2 or something |
| 07:36.12 | benjamindees | Guerin, isn't it awful when people repeat things they're told? |
| 07:36.13 | marc7 | music is in the mix... when I get a little further along I'll ask. |
| 07:36.20 | marc7 | thanks for the words of encouragement |
| 07:36.20 | dondelelcaro | poop: just use pbuilder et al. It's quite trivial. |
| 07:36.33 | mrme | Danar: that sounds like a problem in and of itself...you shouldn't use links like that |
| 07:36.40 | Guerin | benjamindees: yeah, nothing like second-hand information. |
| 07:36.44 | poop | dondelelcaro: I was thinking crosstool but whatever works ... |
| 07:36.49 | Guerin | or n-th hand |
| 07:36.50 | repp_ | Danar: you can re-create them, it's pretty easy. Just mkdir /mnt/hdb2; mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2 |
| 07:37.15 | Danar | repp_, yeh, but i want to wipe certain partitions, which would change them |
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| 07:37.38 | Danar | i want to delete a couple partitions, expand others, etc |
| 07:37.46 | mrme | Danar: maybe you should use LVM |
| 07:37.51 | Danar | ? |
| 07:38.03 | repp_ | only if you change the size of partitions; also you could do something crazy like "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hdb2" although that is not classy.. |
| 07:38.04 | poop | LVM good |
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| 07:38.21 | mrme | let me see... |
| 07:38.22 | mrme | !LVM |
| 07:38.22 | dpkg | i heard lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 07:38.49 | Guerin | lvm has always just seemed to be a license for b0rkage |
| 07:38.53 | Guerin | to me |
| 07:38.58 | Guerin | can't trussit |
| 07:39.09 | mrme | well there's LVM2 now you know |
| 07:39.24 | benjamindees | g3brown, I added the commands you need to run to the instructions, but there is still a blank spot |
| 07:39.24 | poop | I think admin-types would suffer greatly w/o lvm. |
| 07:39.47 | Guerin | mrme: twice as dicey! |
| 07:39.55 | mrme | Guerin: hehe |
| 07:40.14 | benjamindees | g3brown, I'm thinking you can fire up the install cd, mount the floppy, install the module, mount your sata drive, chroot to your sata drive, and run the commands |
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| 07:40.45 | benjamindees | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.46 | Danar | how would it help me? |
| 07:41.31 | Danar | why does ntp-simple need ntp-server? |
| 07:41.34 | mrme | Danar: you should read about LVM, then you will understand how it will help :) |
| 07:41.40 | repp_ | ntpdate is great |
| 07:41.49 | repp_ | lvm is a hassle |
| 07:41.52 | mrme | chrony is even better |
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| 07:43.03 | Danar | sounds good... |
| 07:43.46 | Danar | repp_, i have ntpdate, but apparently it's out of date (heh), and i'm not sure it's autosynching cause when i synch it manually it's often off by several seconds |
| 07:43.58 | mrme | Danar: try chrony :) |
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| 07:45.00 | Danar | mrme, got it, now what? |
| 07:45.20 | mrme | less /usr/share/doc/chrony/README* :) |
| 07:45.24 | g3brown | benjamindees: I mount the floppy and insmod the module. Where will the sata drive be at? I don't see anything in /dev like sda. |
| 07:45.30 | mrme | Danar: that was for you |
| 07:45.35 | jm_ | g3brown: cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:45.41 | Danar | i figured that :p |
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| 07:46.14 | g3brown | jm_: I see it there. How do I mount it? |
| 07:46.26 | jm_ | g3brown: do you know how to use mount command? |
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| 07:46.47 | g3brown | jm_: mount /proc/partitions /whatever |
| 07:46.51 | g3brown | jm_: ? |
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| 07:47.09 | jm_ | g3brown: ehh? mount /dev/foo /mount_point |
| 07:47.11 | Danar | mrme, uh, apparently it synchs when you dial up, but i'm on cable |
| 07:47.28 | Danar | mrme, according to the readme anyway |
| 07:47.42 | mrme | mrme: I'm on DSL...it runs a daemon, chronyd |
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| 07:48.22 | vasundhar | hi My Wireless doesnt work on laptop |
| 07:48.25 | vasundhar | Need help |
| 07:48.32 | mrme | Danar: "If you have an always-on connection such as cable omit the |
| 07:48.32 | mrme | # 'offline' directive and chronyd will default to online." |
| 07:48.59 | g3brown | jm_: I don't know where the sda is like in /dev/sda. It isn't there. I don't know the first part of mount. |
| 07:49.15 | jm_ | g3brown: uhm /proc/partitions tells you that... |
| 07:49.38 | Danar | mrme, where's that? |
| 07:49.40 | benjamindees | g3brown, cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:49.55 | mrme | Danar: /etc/chrony/chrony.conf |
| 07:52.22 | Danar | mrme, why's the same server listed 3 times? o.O |
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| 07:52.30 | mrme | Danar: I wondered that myself. |
| 07:52.54 | mrme | Danar: perhaps so it will try 3 different servers to get a more accurate reading |
| 07:52.55 | g3brown | jm_: it just says what they parts are, not where they are. I get sda: sda1, sda2, sda5. sda1 is the one I'm after. |
| 07:53.03 | Danar | ah |
| 07:53.12 | dna_ | does anyone know of a program to calculate the key of a mp3? |
| 07:53.12 | mrme | Danar: that's just a guess |
| 07:53.20 | mrme | dna_: the key? as in musical key? |
| 07:53.24 | jm_ | g3brown: so use /dev/sda1? |
| 07:53.32 | dna_ | mrme, correct |
| 07:53.32 | Danar | mrme, seems the only rational one |
| 07:53.47 | mrme | dna_: no idea, sorry...but it would be interesting if you found one |
| 07:53.58 | Danar | ok, so how do i disable the server part? i'm not synching other machines |
| 07:54.04 | dna_ | or create one haha! |
| 07:54.16 | mrme | Danar: I don't know...I wouldn't worry about it, myself |
| 07:54.23 | mrme | Danar: works great for me |
| 07:54.31 | mrme | Danar: but you can probably find a way if you want to |
| 07:54.35 | repp_ | just use ntpdate; no server no hassle |
| 07:54.48 | repp_ | /etc/init.d/ntpdate start <-- to set the time |
| 07:54.51 | Danar | mrme, it's a good practise. i don't need a server running, so it should be disabled |
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| 07:55.00 | mrme | well, yeah, chrony is more accurate than ntpdate, but ntpdate is probably accurate enough for most people :) |
| 07:55.01 | Sebo | bye |
| 07:55.05 | Danar | repp_, yeah, but it doesn't autosynch |
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| 07:55.13 | repp_ | Danar: make it a cron job |
| 07:55.13 | dna_ | 12 octaves with 12 keys 5 of which are sharps and flats. |
| 07:56.03 | mrme | Danar: you can comment out the "allow" lines, which would disallow access to the server... |
| 07:56.09 | benjamindees | g3brown, mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1 |
| 07:56.11 | mrme | Danar: but I don't know if you can really disable it completely or not |
| 07:56.21 | Danar | mrme, yeah, but i'd rather have it not run as a server at all |
| 07:56.45 | g3brown | benjamindees: I think I found it. /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0 |
| 07:56.58 | benjamindees | g3brown, or that |
| 07:57.05 | jm_ | g3brown: that should also be in /proc/partitions |
| 07:57.13 | g3brown | jm_: Its not |
| 07:57.25 | mrme | Danar: info chrony |
| 07:57.27 | Danar | mrme, how do i manually synch it? |
| 07:57.54 | g3brown | jm_: the 8 1 from benjamindees b 8 1 is though. |
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| 07:58.19 | mrme | Danar: you don't, it's a daemon that does it for you, you can read the logs if you want in /var/log/chrony |
| 07:58.31 | jm_ | g3brown: I think you lost me ;) |
| 07:58.59 | Danar | mrme, they're empty |
| 07:59.07 | g3brown | jm_: I've been lost all nite. Be careful or you might catch lost from me. |
| 07:59.16 | mrme | Danar: is it running? "sudo /etc/init.d/chrony start" |
| 07:59.28 | Danar | mrme, yep |
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| 07:59.39 | mrme | Danar: give it time then, I guess |
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| 08:00.42 | rking | are the Scots of any help at this time of night? |
| 08:00.45 | Danar | lvm lvm2 lvm5 lvm6 lvm10 lvm-binaries lvm-common |
| 08:00.56 | Danar | o.O |
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| 08:01.21 | rking | i have fallen in love with a girl with a name that is like /Mc[E]?.*Downey/ |
| 08:01.33 | rking | and she said it so shyly that i couldn't catch it. |
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| 08:01.40 | rking | her dad spelled it out for me, but I've already forgotten |
| 08:02.04 | mrme | rking: what a nice, un-Debianitic question :) |
| 08:02.18 | Danar | mrme, which do i want? |
| 08:02.23 | mrme | Danar: eh? |
| 08:02.26 | Danar | lvm lvm2 lvm5 lvm6 lvm10 lvm-binaries lvm-common |
| 08:02.34 | mrme | Danar: eh? |
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| 08:02.39 | Danar | heh |
| 08:02.44 | rking | mrme: i have to ask my friends for help |
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| 08:03.02 | mrme | rking: oh I'm not complaining :) I'm glad you asked...I just don't know how to help |
| 08:03.04 | rking | mrme: i think you'll find that your debian system can parse that regex in a number of places, grep and vim and perl not the least of. |
| 08:03.16 | mrme | rking: LOL yeah :) |
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| 08:03.33 | rking | mrme: i lack the /usr/share/dict/names-of-girls-i\'d-like-to-marry file, and i figured i could come in here and download the data. |
| 08:03.45 | mrme | rking: LOL, that should go in a quotes file somewhere :) |
| 08:03.59 | rking | there has to be a site with the top 1000 scottish names or something |
| 08:04.21 | mrme | rking: maybe a UK-English dictionary? probably a long shot |
| 08:04.26 | rking | interesting |
| 08:04.32 | rking | i'm so love-drunk i can't even google. |
| 08:04.51 | rking | i mean, i'm googling, just not as effectively as usual |
| 08:04.56 | dna_ | hmm maybe Csound? |
| 08:05.02 | mrme | rking: good luck :) |
| 08:05.13 | mrme | Danar: I haven't actually *used* LVM yet...sorry :) |
| 08:05.20 | benjamindees | g3brown, did you get your system mounted? |
| 08:05.24 | rking | dna_: programming things in linux is 10x the education you'll ever get in a school |
| 08:05.52 | g3brown | benjamindees: yeah, mounted floppy back after chroot and coping file now |
| 08:05.55 | justnulli | what is hw_random module and why will it not load? |
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| 08:06.19 | rking | dna_: well, i may be wrong about that - there is a valuable social aspect to it all... but all i mean is don't worry about what academia has to say about your life |
| 08:06.58 | g3brown | benjamindees: would I depmod 2.6.8-2-686 instead of depmod 2.6.8-2-386 since I have /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686 ? |
| 08:07.19 | benjamindees | g3brown, umm, I guess |
| 08:07.19 | dabaR | the man for chattr talks about how chattr is for the seconf linux file system. |
| 08:07.20 | Coke | oh, extisistential discussion |
| 08:07.34 | g3brown | benjamindees: same thing for mkinitrd too then right? |
| 08:07.41 | dabaR | linux second extended file system. I suppose ext2, does it work with ext3? |
| 08:07.45 | benjamindees | g3brown, yes |
| 08:08.13 | jm_ | dabaR: ext3 page explains that |
| 08:08.32 | dabaR | ext3 man page talks about chattr |
| 08:08.34 | dabaR | ? |
| 08:08.35 | lunitik | dabaR: ext3 == ext2 with hackorage to provide journeling... |
| 08:08.51 | dabaR | well, we get an error with chattr. |
| 08:09.22 | dabaR | inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags, blah blah. |
| 08:10.02 | mrme | rking, Danar: good luck and good night :) |
| 08:10.30 | g3brown | benjamindees: get error on mkinitrd (neither /dev/fd or /proc/self/fd exist! Try mounting the proc filesystems) |
| 08:10.49 | Danar | nite. thanks |
| 08:11.00 | jm_ | g3brown: did you mount it with nodev or user option? |
| 08:11.18 | jm_ | g3brown: either way, you'll need /proc for it to work |
| 08:11.23 | benjamindees | g3brown, mount /proc |
| 08:12.12 | g3brown | benjamindees: module mvSata not found. |
| 08:12.30 | benjamindees | need to run depmod first |
| 08:12.41 | benjamindees | depmod 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 08:13.16 | g3brown | benjamindees: I did, and I did it both again. same error |
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| 08:13.33 | ultraviolet16 | hey everyone, what do I have to do to play a dvd in debian? |
| 08:13.55 | ultraviolet16 | i have xine and I hit the dvd button but it gives me an xine engine error |
| 08:14.20 | benjamindees | !tell ultraviolet16 about marillat |
| 08:14.46 | grivell | ultraviolet16: Install libdvdcss2 |
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| 08:15.06 | jm_ | g3brown: where did you copy the module to? |
| 08:15.22 | benjamindees | g3brown, it's possible the module is i386 and won't work with a i686 kernel? |
| 08:15.40 | g3brown | ultraviolet16: try http://debian.udsu.ru/debian-soft/marillat/ |
| 08:15.57 | ultraviolet16 | ok thanks guys, i need to add marillat to my sources so that I can install mplayer? |
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| 08:16.47 | grivell | ultraviolet16: No need for mplayer, just use libdvdcss2 and Xine |
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| 08:17.28 | grivell | ultraviolet16: Also, Kaffeine or Totem are nice Xine frontends |
| 08:17.45 | ultraviolet16 | i just use xine-ui |
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| 08:17.59 | ultraviolet16 | um I tell apt-get to install this and it reads this.. |
| 08:18.00 | ultraviolet16 | libdvdread3 is already the newest version. |
| 08:18.06 | g3brown | jm_: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/mv_sata.ko |
| 08:18.29 | ultraviolet16 | also I try to install libdvdcss2 and it says no such package. I guess i need that marilat thing eh2~? |
| 08:18.38 | grivell | ultraviolet16: yep |
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| 08:18.49 | benjamindees | g3brown, those commands worked for me here, but I have 386 |
| 08:19.03 | jm_ | g3brown: sounds about right |
| 08:19.27 | ultraviolet16 | grivell: ok thanks a lot |
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| 08:19.30 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:19.30 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:19.35 | ultraviolet16 | i'll try totem out, how much better is it? |
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| 08:21.33 | grivell | ultraviolet16: Not sure, I prefer Kaffeine ;) |
| 08:23.27 | ultraviolet16 | well i use gnome that's why I won't get kaffeine |
| 08:23.57 | streuner | ultraviolet16: try gxine too |
| 08:24.19 | streuner | ultraviolet16: or just xine itself, the GUI is not that bad |
| 08:24.24 | grivell | ultraviolet16: I'd say Totem is much better (from my memory anyway) than Xine-ui interface. |
| 08:24.28 | g3brown | benjamindees: I don't know. Should I be throwing the towel in? |
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| 08:24.50 | ultraviolet16 | the xine-ui is not too bad at all, I kinda like it actually |
| 08:25.32 | benjamindees | g3brown, dunno, you might reload the instructions and see if you've done things in the right order? |
| 08:25.41 | ultraviolet16 | crap i installed that library.. but nothin' doin |
| 08:25.50 | streuner | !info gxine |
| 08:25.54 | ultraviolet16 | still doesn't work with xine, same issue |
| 08:25.59 | dpkg | gxine: (the xine video player, GTK+/Gnome user interface), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.4.8-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 660 kB |
| 08:26.21 | g3brown | benjamindees: from start (actually making the module) or after making it? |
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| 08:26.45 | benjamindees | g3brown, just the last few steps |
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| 08:28.18 | Elijah | Hi all |
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| 08:28.37 | ultraviolet16 | goodnight everyone, thanks for the help. I'm going to try somemore tomorrow |
| 08:29.11 | Elijah | Hello, I am kind of new to Linux and I have a ACER TravelMate2403 Laptop |
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| 08:29.46 | ultraviolet16 | http://linux-laptop.net/ |
| 08:30.00 | ultraviolet16 | Elijah: there'a a lot of good info there, check it out |
| 08:30.20 | ultraviolet16 | i'm running linux now on a dell inspiron 1200 |
| 08:30.37 | Elijah | oh , thanks a lot |
| 08:30.47 | ultraviolet16 | np |
| 08:30.59 | Elijah | ;) |
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| 08:31.03 | bcc | is there a way to remove gnome-games but keep gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 08:31.21 | ultraviolet16 | bcc: you can actually only install gnome-core |
| 08:31.37 | jm_ | bcc: gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package, it's OK to remove it as long as it won't remove its dependencies |
| 08:31.37 | bcc | ultraviolet16: i already have gnome-desktop-environment installed |
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| 08:32.00 | ultraviolet16 | bcc: remove it and re-install? |
| 08:32.03 | bcc | jm_: right, but i as soon as i select to remove gnome-games, it also removes the whole thing |
| 08:32.18 | bcc | ultraviolet16: if nothing else works, that's what i'll do |
| 08:32.24 | jm_ | bcc: like I said, it doesn't hurt if it removes only that package, and not its dependencies |
| 08:32.47 | bcc | jm_: is there a way to force aptitude to just remove that package? |
| 08:33.18 | ultraviolet16 | bcc: bump what jm_ says, just remove gnome and reinstall gnome-core, it's less messy and not a big deal |
| 08:33.57 | g3brown | benjamindees: I just noticed that I don't see the sda1 until I go farther on into the gui. Is it possible I need to go to the very end before the reboot before doing the mkinitrd ? |
| 08:34.00 | bcc | ultraviolet16: does gnome-core also install gdm or should i reinstall it separately as well? |
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| 08:34.07 | benjamindees | bcc, I think gnome-desktop-environment is a pseudopackage |
| 08:34.26 | ultraviolet16 | bcc: it installs gdm too. i think. let's see |
| 08:34.28 | g3brown | benjamindees: text gui installer I mean |
| 08:34.35 | jm_ | bcc: sure, you can always select required packages manually |
| 08:34.40 | benjamindees | g3brown, I would wait till the end to be safe |
| 08:34.44 | bcc | it's cool. if it's not there, i'll install it manually |
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| 08:35.30 | ultraviolet16 | !tell bcc about install gnome |
| 08:35.40 | ultraviolet16 | not sure if that works, never tried it.. hehe |
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| 08:36.03 | bcc | i'm blocking private messages, so i wouldn't know if it works or not either |
| 08:36.11 | ultraviolet16 | o |
| 08:36.20 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.20 | dna_ | this license for certain libraries in order to permit linking those |
| 08:36.20 | dna_ | libraries into non-free programs. |
| 08:36.46 | ultraviolet16 | well basically it tells you to install gnome for everything, or gnome-desktop environment for slightly less stuff or gnome-core for the least |
| 08:37.40 | ultraviolet16 | night everyone.. |
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| 08:40.53 | WestBaller | hey |
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| 08:44.07 | benjamindees | !tell root_ about root |
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| 08:44.47 | lgd_ | good day all |
| 08:45.03 | dna_ | what happens if I create a program with a GNU Lesser GPL to run under windows. Can I then charge lucrative amounts money to windows users or does the software have to be free for windows users as well? |
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| 08:45.26 | blondie | dna_: what difference does the OS make? |
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| 08:46.23 | g3brown | benjamindees: add_modules_2_5: modprobe failed FATAL: module mvSata not found. |
| 08:46.34 | benjamindees | dna_, modifications to LGPL libraries must be distributed freely, but the programs that link to them don't have to be |
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| 08:46.55 | liran | benjamindees, i cant run programs as another user. im getting this error: (xchat:4902): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 08:47.05 | dna_ | blondie, What are some examples of linking under the LGPL? |
| 08:47.15 | dna_ | where they actually sold he software after linking it |
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| 08:47.28 | blondie | shrug |
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| 08:47.39 | benjamindees | liran, did you log into gnome/kde as root? |
| 08:47.47 | bcc | where can i read about specifying previous versions of apps to install with aptitude? |
| 08:47.53 | liran | benjamindees, yeah |
| 08:47.56 | WestBaller | hey if i use debian |
| 08:47.59 | jm_ | bcc: s.d.n |
| 08:47.59 | WestBaller | could i still play games |
| 08:48.01 | WestBaller | on computer |
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| 08:48.04 | liran | benjamindees, but its the other way around too |
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| 08:48.06 | bcc | jm_: what's that? |
| 08:48.08 | dna_ | blondie, do you know how to link libraries? |
| 08:48.10 | jm_ | bcc: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 08:48.17 | Eugenyus | hello .... You can help me with a litlle problem in Python Programmer ? |
| 08:48.23 | benjamindees | liran, kdesu fixes that, not sure about gnome |
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| 08:48.47 | benjamindees | g3brown, that's the error I get when I don't run depmod |
| 08:48.50 | WestBaller | ? |
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| 08:49.08 | liran | benjamindees, if i login as normal user and try to run vmware as root im getting the same error |
| 08:49.28 | Eugenyus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.47 | WestBaller | If I install Debian on my main computer, could I still be able to play pc games on it? |
| 08:49.52 | blondie | Eugenyus: no |
| 08:49.58 | benjamindees | liran, you have to run a program (like kdesu) that sets the DISPLAY properly |
| 08:50.09 | g3brown | benjamindees: depmod works. I tried depmod 2.6.8-2-386 and I get errors about library not being there. |
| 08:50.11 | liran | i've set it manually to :0.0 |
| 08:50.11 | benjamindees | WestBaller, look into winex |
| 08:50.12 | streuner | Eugenyus: how about #python? |
| 08:50.18 | benjamindees | WestBaller, or Cedega |
| 08:50.34 | g3brown | benjamindees: maybe it what you said about 386 vs 686 thing. |
| 08:50.36 | WestBaller | What are those benjamindees |
| 08:50.52 | benjamindees | WestBaller, look into them and find out :-/ |
| 08:51.24 | benjamindees | g3brown, yeah, 386 may not work; whichever you use, use 386 or 686 consistently |
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| 08:52.12 | g3brown | benjamindees: I just used 386 to see if 686 was working. Seeing as how depmod 2.6.8-2-686 doesn't generate any errors, I assume it works. |
| 08:52.57 | liran | im assuming gnome version to kdesu is gksu |
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| 08:53.12 | benjamindees | g3brown, dunno, you can always reboot and cross your fingers :) |
| 08:53.25 | benjamindees | g3brown, but I'm gonna have to go soon... |
| 08:53.33 | liran | (gksu:5121): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 08:53.45 | g3brown | benjamindees: me too, I been up for more than a day |
| 08:54.12 | benjamindees | g3brown, I'll play around some more in the next couple of days and update these instructions |
| 08:54.13 | g3brown | benjamindees: got fingers crossed, if it doesn't work I'll be purchaseing 300 sata card tomorrow. |
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| 08:54.25 | jm_ | g3brown: did you include it in /etc/mkinitrd/modules? does it show up in generated initrd image? |
| 08:54.30 | ryoohki-zaurus | what is the right channel for debian on an imac? |
| 08:54.44 | benjamindees | g3brown, you can always install a 386 kernel just to be sure |
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| 08:55.18 | benjamindees | ryoohki-zaurus, #debian-ppc ?? |
| 08:55.28 | g3brown | benjamindees: can you translate jm_ ? |
| 08:55.43 | ryoohki-zaurus | benjamindees, thanks! |
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| 08:56.41 | benjamindees | g3brown, grep mv_sata /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 08:56.56 | benjamindees | g3brown, or 686 |
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| 08:58.03 | g3brown | jm_: I get add_modules_2_5: modprobe failed FATAL: module mvSata not found. when I try to mkinitd. |
| 08:58.39 | benjamindees | I don't think /etc/mkinitrd/modules matters until we're actually booting |
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| 08:59.03 | jm_ | it matters, because that file specifies which modules will be loaded to mount root fs |
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| 08:59.47 | Xybernaut | hi.. how i to give read my /dev/hda3 for normal user ? Error message: xybernaut@hp:~$ cd /mnt/hda3/ bash: cd: /mnt/hda3/: Permission denied |
| 09:00.33 | marc7 | i'm interested in changing the splash.rle file (the debian startup logo on boot)... but every image editor I use... it says that it isn't a valid RLE file... any suggestions? |
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| 09:03.12 | marc7 | i think i found a howto that'll answer my question, sorry |
| 09:03.24 | jm_ | marc7: there are apps that can convert images to appropriate format |
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| 09:03.40 | benjamindees | marc7, find a good converter, like image alchemy |
| 09:04.07 | marc7 | benjamindees: part of the problem is that I'm trying to import the stock .rle file with no success... |
| 09:04.07 | Grant_ | Hey guys, anyone know of a good control panel? This is not for hosting, just basically an easy wait to maintain my own stuff. Webbased GUI in other words..???? |
| 09:04.18 | Grant_ | Im also after something that's free!! |
| 09:04.41 | marc7 | benjamindees & jm_: http://tinyurl.com/avvsp seems to have the answer |
| 09:04.42 | postel | Xybernaut: man chown, dont try to cd to the device, cd to the mount point, the device is a descriptor, you cant cd on it |
| 09:05.01 | cast | Grant_: we'd only suggest free things here, but folk here tend to shy away from such things </not-a-answer> |
| 09:06.00 | cast | Grant_: such things as web based administeration that is, theres things like webmin though that various folks will tell you not to use ;) |
| 09:06.12 | Grant_ | Cast, i have setup everything via conf files etc i just want something easy gui based to maintain my stuff :) EG like one central control panel which manages, Bind/Apache/FTP/Postfix |
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| 09:06.14 | WestBaller | i just downloaded debian |
| 09:06.14 | Grant_ | Yeah Webmin sucks |
| 09:06.15 | Grant_ | lol |
| 09:06.20 | WestBaller | it has virus |
| 09:06.27 | WestBaller | scanned it wiht norton |
| 09:06.31 | WestBaller | ??? |
| 09:06.33 | Grant_ | LOL |
| 09:06.45 | cast | WestBaller: lol. and what virus did norton find? |
| 09:07.08 | g3brown | benjamindees: I get couple of funny characters and mv_sata.ko when I greg |
| 09:07.14 | g3brown | benjamindees: grep |
| 09:07.29 | jm_ | marc7: yeah, there are also a few on freshmeat |
| 09:07.40 | jm_ | g3brown: it's better to use strings binaryfile|grep foo |
| 09:07.43 | benjamindees | g3brown, I say don't worry about it, finish the install, and reboot |
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| 09:08.01 | g3brown | benjamindees: I did... it fails. |
| 09:08.10 | Grant_ | So any suggestions guys there is 590 people here come on :) I have looked up and down through freshmeat, just after something that will easily mange Postfix,Bind,Apache,FTP via webbased GUI.. |
| 09:08.16 | WestBaller | I got sometin called WORM_SOBER.G |
| 09:08.20 | vovka | who tried php5.1+mysql4.1 ? |
| 09:08.25 | Grant_ | LOL @ WestBaller |
| 09:08.31 | g3brown | benjamindees: that what took me so look, I did it all over again. |
| 09:08.37 | WestBaller | and TROJ_BAGLE.AH |
| 09:08.38 | g3brown | benjamindees: to try the grep |
| 09:08.59 | Grant_ | WestBaller, just install Debian, those viruses / trojans wont effect Debian in anyway :) |
| 09:09.06 | WestBaller | oh? |
| 09:09.08 | Grant_ | Its most likely your Windows machine going crazy :P |
| 09:09.18 | WestBaller | cause its gettin replaced |
| 09:09.20 | WestBaller | :o |
| 09:09.22 | benjamindees | g3brown, well that means the driiver is in the initrd, but it isn't working |
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| 09:09.39 | benjamindees | g3brown, I have a feeling it's because of the 686 kernel versus 386, but I'm not sure |
| 09:09.56 | bcc | how can i enable history search in bash? |
| 09:09.57 | vovka | anybody compile php5.1+mysql4.1 ? |
| 09:10.07 | Grant_ | cast ????? |
| 09:10.07 | g3brown | benjamindees: okay, well that what I'm going to tell myself anyway. going to bed. Thanks for *all* your help. |
| 09:10.22 | bcc | i added some stuff to /etc/bash.bashrc but it does not seem to work |
| 09:10.30 | fireba11 | !wdyc vovka |
| 09:10.45 | cast | Grant_: yo? no idea. |
| 09:10.45 | benjamindees | g3brown, no problem, and like I said you can chroot to your system and install a 386 kernel if you feel like tinkering some more |
| 09:11.10 | lotuspaq | hi any one here uses a2ps ? |
| 09:11.13 | Grant_ | cast lol ok.. I fo und a nice one called nodeworx but it sucks cause you have to pay for it lol, but damn it the GUI was good :P |
| 09:11.19 | vovka | =) |
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| 09:11.43 | fireba11 | vovka: err .. why do you want to compile it in the first place ? |
| 09:11.50 | cast | Grant_: such web based administeration always seems like a really good way to get rooted to me ;p |
| 09:12.23 | Grant_ | cast, lol... I know.. but still man there's ways to protect your self so things like that dont happen :) |
| 09:12.43 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to configure exim with `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config` to not accept *any* mail through SMTP unless it is destined for local delivery? e.g. with my current setup, anyone can send mail from a local user to an arbitrary address, or to a local user from an arbitrary address. i only want the latter scenario to be permitted to prevent people using my server to spam. |
| 09:13.33 | benjamindees | night all, thanks for your help jm_ |
| 09:13.46 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: no |
| 09:13.59 | cast | SerajewelKS: could you drop outbound smtp cons? |
| 09:13.59 | SerajewelKS | i wouldn't mind the former scenario if it was only permitted when the connection came from localhost. |
| 09:14.29 | SerajewelKS | cast: that kinda defeats the smarthost configuration |
| 09:14.30 | Zugschlus | the only reason that an MTA is part of the default install is that the ability of sending mail is necessary. |
| 09:14.37 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: what do you mean "from a local user"? |
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| 09:14.52 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: anyone can use my mail server to send mail "from me" so to speak |
| 09:14.56 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: or "to me" |
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| 09:15.08 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: obviously that's a bad thing |
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| 09:15.23 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: why are you giving people you can't trust access to your box? |
| 09:15.30 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: wtf |
| 09:15.36 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: i'm not, damnit |
| 09:15.45 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: then how can a local user spam? |
| 09:16.09 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: someone can connect to my exim server and issue "MAIL FROM: <local-user@my.server>" and then send to anywhere |
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| 09:16.18 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: someone else can spam as a local user |
| 09:16.40 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: please give your IP address |
| 09:16.42 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: and i cannot find any option in exim4-config's debconf to disable this |
| 09:16.49 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: no |
| 09:16.57 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: ok, no help. File a bug. |
| 09:17.05 | postel | SerajewelKS: pop before smtp |
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| 09:17.32 | SerajewelKS | postel: thank you for that clear and completely revelatory answer |
| 09:17.39 | postel | no problem |
| 09:18.03 | jm_ | you can use smtp auth to avoid that anyway |
| 09:18.14 | SerajewelKS | jm_: that is one solution... |
| 09:18.28 | SerajewelKS | jm_: of course it helps to know how to turn it on =/ |
| 09:18.32 | Zugschlus | jm_: he has severly misconfigured his exim, probably by explicitly allowing relay from 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 09:18.48 | Zugschlus | and he refuses to give debugging help. I recommend not wasting time with him, he doesn't want help. |
| 09:18.50 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: i friggin used the exim4-config configlet |
| 09:19.12 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: and it's none too clear about how certain options affect security.. and no, i did not enable relay from 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 09:19.16 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: I suspect that I am the one who could help you the most. |
| 09:19.26 | jm_ | Zugschlus: I don't think so |
| 09:19.27 | Zugschlus | since I kind of wrote the exim4 debconf stuff |
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| 09:19.47 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: okay then tell me this... i set my system name as "foobar" |
| 09:19.57 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: but the server refuses to accept mail for an @foobar address |
| 09:20.16 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: unless i specity "foobar" as a relayable domain |
| 09:20.20 | WestBaller | omg |
| 09:20.25 | WestBaller | norton keeps deleting debian |
| 09:20.31 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: at which point exim will allow anyone to send mail from a @foobar address |
| 09:20.32 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: yes, that's a documented feature |
| 09:20.37 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: no |
| 09:20.40 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: yes |
| 09:20.43 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: no |
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| 09:21.01 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: the heck. you didn't just test it by any chance, did you? no? i did. |
| 09:21.19 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: I wrote that stuff. You bet that I tested it. |
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| 09:21.29 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: and I wanted to test your sytem, but you refuse to help |
| 09:21.31 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: then it broke |
| 09:21.45 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: i'm not giving my system ip out for the world (or you) to spam with |
| 09:21.47 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: post your update-exim4.conf.conf on paste.debian.net |
| 09:21.55 | Zugschlus | _maybe_ I can help you then |
| 09:22.00 | Zugschlus | until then, take your box offline NOW: |
| 09:22.18 | Zugschlus | you are lacking the necessary clue to operate a mail server on the public internet |
| 09:22.18 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: smtp connections are blocked by iptables at the moment |
| 09:22.34 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: good. |
| 09:22.37 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: post your update-exim4.conf.conf on paste.debian.net |
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| 09:23.06 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: which one do you want? the overly-permissive one, or the overly-restrictive one? |
| 09:23.31 | Zugschlus | the one that is overly permissive in your opinion |
| 09:23.32 | Zugschlus | or both |
| 09:23.48 | SerajewelKS | i'll post the one that i think should do the job, but rejects mail destined for the box |
| 09:24.33 | SerajewelKS | wtf, it works now |
| 09:24.47 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: well, thanks for ignoring my request _ONCE_ _MORE_ |
| 09:25.06 | SerajewelKS | er, no it doesn't |
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| 09:25.18 | SerajewelKS | aight, one sec |
| 09:25.19 | Zugschlus | (I wanted the overly permissive one since a possible bug in the package making exim an open relay is much worse than making it reject legitimate mail) |
| 09:25.35 | Zugschlus | [I am not any more interested in helping you, only in getting my package debugged] |
| 09:25.43 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: both configs are being overly permissive now |
| 09:26.13 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: does exim do any tricks when being talked to from localhost? |
| 09:26.16 | Zugschlus | no |
| 09:26.17 | SerajewelKS | that might explain it |
| 09:26.19 | SerajewelKS | ok |
| 09:26.25 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: I won't talk to you any more until I have seen that config file |
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| 09:26.35 | Zugschlus | (geez, is it _THAT_ hard?) |
| 09:26.55 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: i'm in the process. cool down. |
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| 09:27.05 | caphuso | well, relay_from_hosts local 127.0.0.1 might do it |
| 09:27.18 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: ATM, no hosts are permitted relay |
| 09:27.30 | Zugschlus | caphuso: that is added by default by update-exim4.conf |
| 09:27.46 | caphuso | Zugschlus: yes. and SerajewelKS was clever enough to test with "telnet localhost smtp" |
| 09:28.22 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: i don't see that in the exim conf |
| 09:28.28 | Zugschlus | caphuso: I'll call that "clever" |
| 09:28.37 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: there is no exim.conf in the default package |
| 09:29.06 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: probably not anymore, since only god knows how much you buggered the config file by now |
| 09:29.26 | streuner | SerajewelKS: what's that hard to don't trust a DD who wants to help you by giving him the config file? |
| 09:29.28 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: i'm using the configlet to edit the conf. i haven't manually edited it once. |
| 09:29.40 | azeem | SerajewelKS: how about you post your config? |
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| 09:29.47 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: so that's why we still haven't seen it, is it? |
| 09:29.55 | jm_ | I use exim 3 and it looks just fine, host_accept_relay = localhost |
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| 09:30.22 | Zugschlus | jm_: exim 3 is a completely different package. Please don't give advice about things you obviously don't understand. |
| 09:30.40 | SerajewelKS | i'm not posting the config because i was just informed that connections from localhost *are* treated differently. so now i need to make sure that what i said makes sense for external connections., |
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| 09:30.48 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: I have root on your system anyway. Now post your config or bugger off |
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| 09:30.55 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: you got 60 seconds, starting now. if we don't get any information we can work with, you'll have a lot of time to think about your problem |
| 09:30.55 | jm_ | Zugschlus: are you stupid? it was just a remark stating that exim 3 works fine ... |
| 09:31.07 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: read above |
| 09:31.11 | Zugschlus | jm_: so, any clueless user might downgrade to exim 3 now |
| 09:31.24 | Zugschlus | which is a _really_ stupid idea since exim 3 has been unsupporte upstream for three years now |
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| 09:31.46 | jm_ | Zugschlus: yes, if they follow the same stupid thinking pattern as you |
| 09:31.59 | azeem | why is it still in unstable then? |
| 09:32.09 | azeem | jm_, Zugschlus: please chill |
| 09:32.24 | Zugschlus | azeem: because nobody bothered to remove it yet. |
| 09:32.26 | SerajewelKS | caphuso, Zugschlus: http://pastebin.ca/34314 |
| 09:32.47 | SerajewelKS | connections to stmp externally reject mail for my domain |
| 09:32.58 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: that one will not accept any messages |
| 09:33.00 | SerajewelKS | in fact they reject everything afaict |
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| 09:33.15 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: yes, that's a documented feature |
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| 09:33.23 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: right. from the options i selected in the configlet, it should. |
| 09:33.41 | Zugschlus | put your domain in dc_other_hostnames |
| 09:33.50 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: mail sent my smarthost; received by smtp |
| 09:33.52 | Zugschlus | (and while you're at it, remove localhost.localdomain) |
| 09:33.52 | dna_ | what is aprogramto help me hear chords andmusical notes? |
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| 09:34.32 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: that is the one that permits external connections to send mail as a local user without authentication |
| 09:34.40 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: no |
| 09:34.53 | Zugschlus | that is the one that controls for which domains exim accepts mail |
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| 09:35.05 | Zugschlus | for which _target_ domains |
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| 09:35.26 | Zugschlus | the SMTP envelope sender is not being looked at by the exim4 packages' access controls |
| 09:35.32 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: hrm |
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| 09:35.55 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: that does seem to be working now. apparently localhost connections are treated differently. wish i knew that before wasting your time. |
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| 09:36.18 | caphuso | stupid new exim4 info docs |
| 09:36.41 | Zugschlus | caphuso: send a patch |
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| 09:37.42 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 09:37.44 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: i do feel kinda stupid now. those little details are important to exim... |
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| 09:38.13 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: I am adapting the update-exim4.conf man page |
| 09:38.31 | Zugschlus | it is important for the maintainer to learn about users' misconceptions to be able to tweak the docs to avoid them |
| 09:38.36 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: perhaps a better step would be to fix the configlet |
| 09:38.55 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: the configlet is fine. |
| 09:39.02 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: the "system mail name" or whatever is comletely ignored and not even written to the config file |
| 09:39.08 | Zugschlus | It doesn't make sense to restrict relaying from localhost since any local user can use /usr/lib7sendmail to send mail |
| 09:39.17 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: i can't tell what it's used for aside from rewriting outgoing From headers |
| 09:39.24 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: the system mail name is used to qualify outgoing from headers |
| 09:39.53 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: i see.. so it has no bearing on what domains mail is accepted for |
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| 09:40.10 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: see http://wiki.debian.org/EtcMailName |
| 09:40.33 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: yes. The debconf templates are misleading here because they have been frozen way before the software was frozen for the sarge release |
| 09:40.48 | Bogaurd | hmm.... i need some help with my lvm setup. how can i tell it to totally nuke all history of any vg's, or lv's or anything? |
| 09:40.49 | Zugschlus | correcting them was not possible at that time since they are translated for some fourty-ish languages |
| 09:42.54 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: i see. perhaps a future "feature" or whatever would have the system mailname be the default for the dc_other_hostnames field instead of "localhost.localdomain" |
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| 09:44.16 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: we already do this. Only your system thought its name would be "localhost.localdomain" at the time the exim installation was executed |
| 09:44.38 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: is that in sarge? |
| 09:44.45 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: IIRC; yes |
| 09:44.53 | Bogaurd | anybody? how can i tell LVM to remove any past details of VG's and whatnot? |
| 09:44.55 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: 'cause it was a fresh install of sarge, done a few days ago, and it defaulted to localhost.localdomain |
| 09:44.58 | pollo | hi were i can finde compile flags of debian sparc packages? |
| 09:45.06 | Zugschlus | (I have only installed sarge from scratch very few times) |
| 09:45.22 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: hrm well no worries... it seems i've finally figured it out |
| 09:45.33 | streuner | pollo: get the source and look into debian/control file |
| 09:45.56 | pollo | streuner thanks |
| 09:45.56 | SerajewelKS | anyway my laptop battery is getting low and it's getting late. g'night |
| 09:46.14 | SerajewelKS | perhaps we can talk more when i'm coherent |
| 09:47.23 | Zugschlus | .oO( fixed update-exim4.conf man page in svn ) |
| 09:48.28 | jm_ | I think by the tim eI will switch to exim4, exim5 will be out and exim4 will be unsupported :P |
| 09:48.58 | Zugschlus | jm_: sticking with exim 3 is a bad idea actually for any non-trivial setup |
| 09:49.08 | Zugschlus | exim3 still works fine for trivial setups though. |
| 09:49.23 | netman1 | How do I give the user the chance to abort a logout or ^D ? I tried building questions in .bash_logout but do no know how to abort. Neither does defining a .bash_logout function and let it call a mv .bash_logout .real_bash_logout :-( |
| 09:49.59 | jm_ | Zugschlus: I have very simple setup (it's used to send mail via smart host and it receives mail from our mail server, not from outside), that's why I am sticking to it because it works OK |
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| 09:51.30 | Zugschlus | !ops clones from 225.Red-213-98-1.staticIP.rima-tde.net |
| 09:51.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: clones from 225.Red-213-98-1.staticIP.rima-tde.net |
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| 09:52.13 | streuner | Zugschlus: do you use irssi? |
| 09:52.18 | Zugschlus | streuner: yes |
| 09:52.23 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 09:52.24 | dpkg | nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds or just "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
| 09:52.39 | jm_ | that means it's just not displayed, server is still sending crap your way |
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| 09:52.54 | Zugschlus | streuner: I don't care about the spam I might get, but clones coming in is usually a sign of a pending attack on network infrastructure |
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| 09:53.15 | Zugschlus | streuner: actually, the clones have only joined |
| 09:53.27 | Zugschlus | they didn't quit yet, so nospambot.pl wouldn't help at all |
| 09:54.07 | azeem | Zugschlus: at this point, providing #freenode with their IP might be more effective for the whole network |
| 09:54.09 | streuner | Zugschlus: a _NEW_ behavior |
| 09:54.16 | netman1 | Zugschlus: Ah, nowI know where that movie title "Attack of the clones" cam from ;-) |
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| 09:54.53 | streuner | Zugschlus: usually debhelper takes care of it then... |
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| 09:55.04 | Zugschlus | azeem: I have most of the freenode staff on ignore because of the anoying network notices, so it wouldn't help much |
| 09:55.09 | Zugschlus | Doing so from an extra client |
| 09:55.11 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 09:59.27 | ircdevil | how is that open-source vm-ware thingy comming along? |
| 09:59.30 | Zugschlus | #freenode doesn't seem to be interester |
| 09:59.35 | Zugschlus | interested even |
| 09:59.53 | Zugschlus | .oO( this network sucks big ) |
| 09:59.56 | petemc | ircdevil: qemu? works well |
| 10:00.15 | ircdevil | petemc: speed problems? |
| 10:00.22 | cast | ircdevil: or xen? |
| 10:00.35 | streuner | Zugschlus: do you ever have this behavior? :-) |
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| 10:00.44 | cast | xen is paravirtualization though which makes it not like vmware |
| 10:00.53 | cast | [so i hear..] |
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| 10:01.14 | npx | it'd be cool to get a copy of the version that can run windows |
| 10:01.18 | petemc | ircdevil: theres a kernel module to speed things up |
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| 10:01.31 | Zugschlus | currently, xen needs a patched guest OS |
| 10:01.42 | Zugschlus | streuner: which behavior |
| 10:02.01 | streuner | Zugschlus: critize everything, everyone? |
| 10:02.19 | streuner | Zugschlus: stay here for a while, things aren't that bad :-) |
| 10:02.20 | Zugschlus | streuner: well, excellence is tolerated. |
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| 10:03.40 | Diazepam | anyone here know much about FUSE??? |
| 10:03.55 | cast | Diazepam: i use it..but thats about it |
| 10:04.55 | Diazepam | cast: i have just set it up but can only access the remote fs when logged in as root and every time i log out as root it kills the connection. How does one allow normal users to access these remote fs ? |
| 10:05.18 | Diazepam | cast: you can apparently make a FUSE group? have you had any experience in setting it up? |
| 10:06.13 | azeem | Diazepam: start them as normal users? |
| 10:08.43 | Diazepam | azeem: start them as normal users? |
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| 10:09.03 | netman1 | Hi All. How do I give the user the chance to abort a logout or ^D ? I tried building questions in .bash_logout but do no know how to abort. Neither does defining a .bash_logout function and let it call a mv .bash_logout .real_bash_logout :-( |
| 10:09.04 | Diazepam | azeem: fuse wont let you mount unless your root |
| 10:09.32 | azeem | Diazepam: put them in /etc/fstab and add the appropriate options? |
| 10:09.52 | Diazepam | azeem: hmmm i wonder if that would actually work?/ |
| 10:10.12 | azeem | why shouldn't it? |
| 10:10.15 | Diazepam | azeem: i just built the kernel module and thats working fine so maybe its worth a shot! |
| 10:11.32 | Diazepam | azeem: was a little unsure on how you would add sshfs <user:pass>@<remotehost>:/<remotedir> /<localmount> in fstab |
| 10:11.59 | azeem | well, I never used FUSE :) |
| 10:12.08 | kyncani | netman1: set the login shell to a script of your own that will start the real /bin/bash ? |
| 10:12.20 | Diazepam | i think sshfs has an option that automatically sets mountpoint in fstab |
| 10:12.30 | Diazepam | ahhh back to google |
| 10:12.44 | Diazepam | thanks for your help anyway azeem |
| 10:12.47 | Diazepam | i will give it a go |
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| 10:20.01 | netman1 | kyncani: I'll try. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 10:20.15 | J_P | hi all |
| 10:20.48 | kyncani | netman1: np, sending you an example of what i mean |
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| 10:23.09 | Jacobo221 | where does Debian set the default X screen to be vt7 ? |
| 10:23.25 | lotuspaq | any 1 here uses an2ps ? |
| 10:23.33 | lotuspaq | a2ps I mean |
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| 10:23.53 | azeem | lotuspaq: ask specific questions, rather |
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| 10:25.05 | vovka | help me plz... |
| 10:25.11 | berzerka | how do i 'inline' a bash script? so that for example env-var assignments count for the current (calling) shell? |
| 10:25.24 | vovka | i have troubles with Anope irc serv |
| 10:25.40 | vovka | compiled it fine |
| 10:25.50 | jm_ | berzerka: source it |
| 10:25.52 | lotuspaq | azeem: my problem with a2ps is that -s=simplex is ignores and the code is printed as if it where 2 pages per sheet, with the footer orientan changing from even/odd page |
| 10:26.06 | nksen | if my harddrive is say 60GB in size. can I savely smaller the partition to 50GB and craete a new one with 10GB? |
| 10:26.07 | vovka | but Anope doesn't know any command |
| 10:26.18 | vovka | even Unknown command HELP. "/msg OperServ HELP" for help |
| 10:26.20 | vovka | 8-D |
| 10:26.26 | vovka | to much HELP |
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| 10:26.59 | roo9 | is there a way to verify the checksums of the installed binaries on a debian system? |
| 10:27.05 | marc7 | question regarding netbooting: I've followed Section 4.6 of the Installation Guide to the tee, and have had great results with establishing a tftp server (atftp) and dhcpd, and getting a workstation beside me to boot off it. i can get to the menu screen to choose linux/linux26/expert/expert26... but after I choose an option "eg: linux", it starts downloading the kernel image, never finishes, and then reports a boot failure. ideas on what mi |
| 10:27.50 | liable | !debsums |
| 10:27.54 | azeem | lotuspaq: better ask them to the whole channel, otherwise other people might not answer |
| 10:28.03 | azeem | lotuspaq: I cannot help you with that, sorry |
| 10:28.13 | roo9 | marc7: most likely the instructions required you to follow them to the s or the u |
| 10:28.14 | lotuspaq | hi my problem with a2ps is that -s=simplex is ignores and the code is printed as if it where 2 pages per sheet, with the footer orientan changing from even/odd page |
| 10:28.32 | lotuspaq | sorry for the bad grammar, english is not my language |
| 10:28.44 | roo9 | liable: thanks, i got the idea :-) |
| 10:29.01 | berzerka | jm_: source, that was the word... thank you. |
| 10:29.26 | liable | nksen: parted, gparted, qtparted.. |
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| 10:30.29 | marc7 | roo9: are you saying that i should be following the instructions "to the letter"? not sure what you mean by "to the s or the u" |
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| 10:35.47 | caphuso | Zugschlus: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/spec.texinfo.diff |
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| 10:37.34 | Zugschlus | caphuso: ah, that's a patch to the upstream docs. I cannot apply that right away, and the texinfo docs are generated from some other format |
| 10:38.59 | Zugschlus | caphuso: can you submit that patch to exim-users@exim.org please? |
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| 10:40.38 | caphuso | Zugschlus: does it make sense if the texinfo sources are autogenerated anyway? and from what are they generated? |
| 10:41.00 | Zugschlus | caphuso: IIRC, upstream has just migrated to docbook |
| 10:41.17 | Zugschlus | caphuso: but the patch shows clearly what you intend to do, so Philip should be able to transfer your change to the sources |
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| 10:46.25 | pif_ | hi, is cruft still the tool to clean up a debian system? |
| 10:46.36 | pif_ | it's not been updated since 2002 |
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| 10:46.57 | jm_ | you can also use deborphan or aptitude |
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| 10:47.35 | pif_ | deborphan or aptitude don't deal with cruft: orphaned individual files |
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| 10:47.44 | pif_ | only packages |
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| 10:48.23 | jm_ | indeed, they help remove unwanted packages, hence the word also |
| 10:48.40 | pif_ | cruft works at the _file_ level |
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| 10:49.07 | jm_ | yes of course - why do you think it needs updating? |
| 10:49.37 | possie | debian sarge doensn't use Xorg right? |
| 10:49.37 | pif_ | I'm not thinking, just asking |
| 10:50.02 | mike-m | possie: packages.debian.org/xserver-xorg ;) i always check so |
| 10:50.16 | mike-m | nope |
| 10:50.39 | PerfDave | possie: There are unofficial xorg packages for Sarge, but it's not in the Debian repository. |
| 10:50.56 | outlaw_ | I'm trying to (./configure) compile a program and receive the following error: curl-config not found, or curl-config not in path (curl and libcurl3 are installed) ... any thoughts on what I'm missing? |
| 10:51.13 | SimonRaven | the -dev ... |
| 10:51.15 | possie | PerfDave, okee, i don't want to install Xorg, but i got some problems with X11 Forwarding, so i'm trying to figure out what changed |
| 10:51.24 | joaocep | www.apt-get.org .. exist a unofficial packages. :-) |
| 10:51.31 | jm_ | outlaw_: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:52.07 | outlaw_ | will try jm |
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| 10:52.53 | mike-m | outlaw_: < SimonRave> the -dev ... ? |
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| 10:53.37 | PerfDave | possie: What problems are you having? And what changed when? |
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| 10:55.55 | possie | PerfDave, well the thing is, from my OSX box i'm connecting to my debian box via ssh using X11 forwarding but now when i for instance drag my gkrellm instance (or any other gui app) i'm getting the error 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)' |
| 10:56.27 | outlaw_ | dpkg --search didn't find any file called curl-config jm |
| 10:56.57 | PerfDave | possie: OK, and what makes you think that something has changed in Sarge? |
| 10:57.20 | pif | followup to myself: a new cruft is in experimental |
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| 10:58.11 | possie | PerfDave, now i'm not saying it's Sarge, i'm just trying to figure out what it is :-) |
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| 10:58.21 | possie | PerfDave, no blaming anyone yet :-) |
| 10:58.32 | pingouin | i hate cups |
| 10:58.40 | pingouin | i hate printing under linux |
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| 10:59.06 | PerfDave | possie: Yes, but you said you were trying to figure out what changed... what changes have you made to your Debian setup? |
| 10:59.36 | jm_ | outlaw_: that's not the only thing dpkg told you to use to find it |
| 11:01.19 | outlaw_ | sorry I will check the options again dpkg can be a little scary for a newbie |
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| 11:02.52 | streuner | pingouin: what kind of printer do you have? |
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| 11:03.19 | Greek-Boy | what is the command to refresh locate db? |
| 11:03.26 | streuner | updatedb |
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| 11:05.08 | Greek-Boy | ok thanks |
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| 11:05.43 | andloce | elxake |
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| 11:08.20 | outlaw_ | sorry jm can't figure out which other option you are refering to in dpkg .... |
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| 11:08.57 | jm_ | outlaw_: apt-file and/or http://packages.debian.org and/or /msg <bot> find |
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| 11:09.33 | liran | how can i get a single package from the testing/unstable sources? |
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| 11:10.04 | Guerin | liran: don't |
| 11:10.34 | outlaw_ | thanks jm_ |
| 11:10.46 | liran | should i then just change all the sources on sources.lst to testing? |
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| 11:11.25 | ILLogitec | salve a tutti |
| 11:11.42 | MoRpHeUz | hi, I'm getting an error while trying to run xpdf..: "unable to load any usable fontset"...any ideas ? |
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| 11:12.38 | Guerin | liran: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 11:14.06 | ILLogitec | i want install a distro debian, i'm searching support for my promise fasttrack raid-ata133, but i don't understand if it possible in new kernel |
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| 11:17.30 | liran | thanks Guerin |
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| 11:18.35 | ILLogitec | any help for me? |
| 11:19.17 | lotuspaq | anyone familiar with a2ps? |
| 11:19.18 | spiette | hi all. i'm looking for ressources about performance of file copying over network. Any pointers? |
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| 11:19.38 | bbrazil | spiette: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:19.58 | klys | * this just in: my terminal has a right margin of 72 |
| 11:20.14 | klys | (I want 80) |
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| 11:20.34 | klys | TERM=linux; LANG=C |
| 11:20.36 | spiette | bbrazil: to copy huge amount of data fast as possible in a LAN |
| 11:20.52 | bbrazil | spiette: single file/stream? |
| 11:21.09 | spiette | bbrazil: no, many files. a few hundreds of GB. |
| 11:21.13 | bbrazil | spiette: ftp |
| 11:21.30 | spiette | bbrazil: ftp faster than NFS? |
| 11:21.35 | bbrazil | spiette: I believe so |
| 11:21.49 | spiette | bbrazil: have you ever tested it? |
| 11:22.08 | spiette | bbrazil: or have any pointers about such tests? |
| 11:22.17 | bbrazil | spiette: no, I've never played with NFS, however the FTP protocol is very low overhead |
| 11:22.27 | Guerin | bbrazil: bbullshit |
| 11:22.35 | spiette | bbrazil: NFS should have a lower overhead than FTP. UDP only. |
| 11:24.11 | Guerin | bbrazil: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 11:24.23 | Guerin | !listvals ftpmustdie |
| 11:24.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ftpmustdie' by value (1): ftp must die. |
| 11:24.34 | Guerin | ah, good and simple |
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| 11:25.33 | CAiRO | since i'm running my dual core athlon it often happens that i type one letter but 2 letters appear.. what can i do to avoid that? |
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| 11:26.14 | SlammerXP | CAiRO: disable one core. |
| 11:27.17 | CAiRO | SlammerXP: well, apart from that.. making your computer intentionally slower is usually the last thing you want to do |
| 11:27.37 | klys | type mgc; tpt rmam; #--has no effect |
| 11:27.41 | SlammerXP | CAiRO: is it? I thought that was the entire point of X windows |
| 11:27.52 | klys | er, tput mgc; tput rmam |
| 11:28.18 | klys | still stuch at 72. I use fbcon |
| 11:28.43 | CAiRO | SlammerXP: really? where do you learn such things? |
| 11:29.19 | CAiRO | (not that any of that has anything to do with my problem) |
| 11:29.34 | Guerin | CAiRO: i get that one a single core machine |
| 11:30.22 | liable | !qotd131 |
| 11:30.22 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
| 11:31.05 | klys | shopt -s checkwinsize; #-- no effect. set | grep COL reveals COLUMNS=80 |
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| 11:32.05 | klys | typing beyond column 72 does not scroll the screen up. |
| 11:32.37 | klys | after typing 0-71 it wraps, and then it goes 0-80 |
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| 11:34.55 | klys | with fbset at 1152x864 and COLUMNS=82 (consolechars using a special 14-wide bdf font), there is still no typing past column 79 |
| 11:35.06 | klys | and on the first line it's always to 72 |
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| 11:35.28 | caphuso | klys: does it work if you remove the colors from your prompt? |
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| 11:36.28 | bibe | klys : from memory, changing PS1 delimiters from ' to " or vice versa solved the problem for me |
| 11:37.07 | klys | caphuso, bibe: thank you much. that solved part of the problem. it still doesn't scroll nicely at 1152x864 though. |
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| 11:37.36 | caphuso | bibe: pure luck |
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| 11:37.57 | jm_ | heh \[ \] issue? |
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| 11:38.13 | klys | ok, now it does, but COLUMNS is 80 not 82 |
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| 11:38.24 | klys | thank you guys! |
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| 11:39.53 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
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| 11:44.19 | orac | how do you fix the "install these packages without verification" problem in apt? |
| 11:44.44 | SimonRaven | /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 11:46.07 | orac | thanks |
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| 11:47.46 | orac | perfect. |
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| 11:48.31 | Znh | Hello |
| 11:48.54 | Znh | I've just installed debian on my laptop, and it complains about the package e2fsprogs (Conflicts/pre-depends loop) |
| 11:49.14 | jm_ | Znh: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
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| 11:50.53 | Znh | thank you. |
| 11:50.58 | GNULinux | I am having trouble with mkisofs, it writes in "Assuming ISO-8859-1 encoded filenames" and my MP3 player would only support ISO-9660 filesystem... ? |
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| 11:51.28 | jm_ | iso8859 is refering to how file names are encoded, it's got nothing to do with iso9660 |
| 11:51.46 | munzir | hi sirs, In rpm-based distro I can do rpm -V package to verify whether any file of the package has been changed, what's the corresponding command in debian please? |
| 11:51.51 | Znh | is it possible to jail users in there home directory? that they cant leave it |
| 11:51.55 | jm_ | as in, the image will still be ISO9660 file system |
| 11:52.28 | tarzeau | Znh: no |
| 11:52.44 | Znh | tarzeau: is it possible that they cannot see other directories? |
| 11:53.01 | jm_ | Znh: it's possible, but not practical |
| 11:53.18 | Znh | i'd like to know |
| 11:53.20 | jm_ | munzir: there's no equivalent, but debsums provides some of the functionality |
| 11:53.48 | tarzeau | Znh: no |
| 11:53.54 | Znh | jm_: i'd like to know more about that |
| 11:54.16 | jm_ | Znh: dpkg has a factoid for it |
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| 11:55.00 | Znh | jm_: what keyword do I have to say against it |
| 11:55.36 | klys | bibe: what is PS1 for you? |
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| 11:55.56 | GNULinux | I create mkisofs with -r -J options to be readable by mp3 player, but it says, cannot read CD |
| 11:56.38 | jm_ | Znh: let me see if I can find it |
| 11:56.54 | Bogaurd | if i create a PV on a drive using LVM, should i frist format the drive? |
| 11:57.06 | jm_ | GNULinux: how did you burn it? |
| 11:57.24 | GNULinux | GNULinux: with cdrecord speed=4 file.iso in root mode |
| 11:57.40 | jm_ | do you still have the iso file? |
| 11:57.45 | GNULinux | yes |
| 11:58.11 | munzir | jm_, thanks for the tip |
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| 11:58.25 | jm_ | does isoinfo show the contents? |
| 11:58.29 | Lamex | whenever I close and reopen vim to edit the same file, the cursor is always at the top, how can I let vim remember where the cursor was? |
| 11:58.57 | jm_ | Lamex: edit vimrc |
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| 11:59.21 | GNULinux | jm_: i read in mp3 player manual that it supports mp3 with 41khz and 48khz rate...and the file that i have is coded in 44 khz... |
| 11:59.35 | jm_ | GNULinux: 41? you mean 44.1? |
| 12:00.17 | GNULinux | 32, 44.1 and 48 |
| 12:00.39 | GNULinux | i dont know if it plays all bitrates |
| 12:00.45 | Lamex | jm_, I figured that much, but what setting |
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| 12:01.18 | jm_ | GNULinux: run isoinfo -l -i file.iso |
| 12:01.22 | GNULinux | isoinfo -i Elvis_Greatest.mp3 |
| 12:01.22 | GNULinux | CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format |
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| 12:01.51 | GNULinux | ---------- 0 0 0 298311680 Jul 3 2005 [ 31 00] ELVIS_GR.MP3;1 |
| 12:02.13 | jm_ | looks fine then, there must be something else that's buggering it |
| 12:02.43 | jm_ | Lamex: :help viminfo |
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| 12:03.24 | Lamex | jm_, ? |
| 12:03.36 | GNULinux | actually its like this -> #flood |
| 12:03.45 | jm_ | Lamex: ! |
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| 12:05.18 | GNULinux | d--------- 0 0 0 2048 Dec 20 2005 [ 28 02] . |
| 12:05.18 | GNULinux | d--------- 0 0 0 2048 Dec 20 2005 [ 28 02] .. |
| 12:05.18 | GNULinux | ---------- 0 0 0 298311680 Jul 3 2005 [ 31 00] ELVIS_GR.MP3;1 |
| 12:05.38 | GNULinux | and also xmms complains about playing it, when i mounted it... |
| 12:05.52 | Znh | jm_: how's it going |
| 12:06.03 | jm_ | then there's a problem with the file, not with the file system |
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| 12:06.52 | jm_ | Znh: /msg dpkg ssh chroot |
| 12:07.04 | Lamex | jm_, heh ok I was stupid, but still not the option found :-/ |
| 12:07.19 | Znh | thanks |
| 12:07.42 | tarzeau | can i tell apt-get source to get soruce packages from somewhere else? something with -o and Dir::Etc::SourceList ? |
| 12:07.43 | jm_ | Lamex: type ":help viminfo" in vim |
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| 12:08.39 | jm_ | Lamex: Debian has enabled this by default on my system in /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 12:09.10 | GNULinux | jm_: which is a good program to check the structure of mp3s ? info about bitrates |
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| 12:09.22 | tarzeau | GNULinux: mp3info |
| 12:09.39 | Lamex | jm_, yeah I figured that :help out, as I said was a bit stupid in that, it is disabled but still it does not jump to the line that is marked when it is opened |
| 12:10.00 | tarzeau | !tell me about simple backport |
| 12:10.28 | jm_ | Lamex: does it create ~/.viminfo when you exit it? |
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| 12:11.15 | jm_ | Lamex: ahh you mean you want it to automatically jump to that location? press '0 |
| 12:11.52 | tarzeau | can't i tell apt-get to use another sources.list ? |
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| 12:12.08 | Lamex | jm_, yeah when I open the file, how can I set this in the .vimrc file |
| 12:12.09 | Lamex | ? |
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| 12:14.23 | SR|Kurta | I know it's horribly OT, but I ordered some hardware on eBay and the seller sent me the following question in response to the PayPal "Notification of Payment"... |
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| 12:14.54 | SR|Kurta | Could you email me your phone number? Paypal requires your phone number to verify your address. Shipping through Paypal speeds up shipping |
| 12:14.58 | SR|Kurta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:15.15 | SR|Kurta | is it a reasonable request? or is it nonsense? |
| 12:15.23 | jm_ | Lamex: uhh don't know off top of my head, let me see if I can find it quickly |
| 12:15.43 | fireba11 | SR|Kurta: it's nonsense .. only paypal-email needed |
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| 12:16.15 | fireba11 | SR|Kurta: but it sounds like he wants to create a paypal-account for YOU ...so hes dumb anyway |
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| 12:17.09 | SR|Kurta | fireba11: surely if they needed my phone number, they could get it using the ebay request communication form? |
| 12:17.20 | SR|Kurta | except, that would give me theirs too |
| 12:17.54 | SR|Kurta | fireba11: should I forward it to abuse@ebay.com and ask if I should be worried? |
| 12:18.32 | Lamex | jm_, found it from the default gentoo vimrc file, they have it enabled, thanx for everything still :) |
| 12:18.41 | fireba11 | SR|Kurta: your choice .. but i would tell him if you want to use paypal you will sing up on it, otherwise he has to wait for your payment .. |
| 12:18.58 | Lamex | autocmd BufReadPost * if line("'\"") > 0 && line ("'\"") <= line("$") | exe "normal g'\"" | endif |
| 12:19.05 | Lamex | jm_, that is the thing |
| 12:19.13 | SR|Kurta | fireba11: I've paid him... the question about the phone number was in response to the *confirmation email* about my payment |
| 12:19.30 | SR|Kurta | which says at the bottom "Address: Confirmed" or somesuch |
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| 12:19.48 | jm_ | Lamex: ahh, cool |
| 12:20.13 | vitaly | hi everyone, is there a way how to make SIM work with GTALK? |
| 12:20.23 | Lamex | jm_, I really hate the settings they use here at my company, show matching brackets, tab at 8, no jumping at the line etc.. driving me nuts |
| 12:20.35 | Lamex | nu line numbers as well :-/ |
| 12:20.36 | jm_ | Lamex: you can easily override all that in ~/.vimrc |
| 12:20.54 | Lamex | jm_, yeah I know, but the line jumping was only one that was so annoying ^^ |
| 12:21.06 | Lamex | jm_, I just couldn't find that option |
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| 12:21.39 | unlearn | hello where can find some good repositories to add to my apt sources list? |
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| 12:22.01 | Guerin | unlearn: apt-setup |
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| 12:22.31 | momurder | hello....can someone help me regarding kernel issues on sparc64? |
| 12:22.38 | unlearn | k Guerin |
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| 12:23.03 | momurder | ;( |
| 12:23.37 | unlearn | yea i c them |
| 12:23.40 | unlearn | thnx |
| 12:23.54 | jm_ | momurder: tried #debian-sparc? |
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| 12:24.29 | momurder | oh k...i'am new so thx for the info xD |
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| 12:25.39 | GNULinux | #debian-sparc is preety much dead |
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| 12:26.11 | GNULinux | try #sparc or #gentoo-sparc |
| 12:27.04 | GNULinux | I get only wrong CDs with this mkisofs/cdrecord...CDs were burned better, when using k3b :/ |
| 12:27.21 | GNULinux | but etch doesnt have k3b |
| 12:27.27 | jm_ | GNULinux: k3b is using mkisofs and cdrecord to burn AFAIK |
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| 12:27.55 | GNULinux | jm_: maybe it adds some extra modes, which are then readable by my MP3 player |
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| 12:28.07 | quoth | I added a smart_host to my sendmail.mc and did a make in /etc/mail but no value is added to "DS" in sendmail.cf and it keeps doing mx lookups, any ideas? |
| 12:28.09 | jm_ | GNULinux: what modes? |
| 12:28.19 | GNULinux | extra options |
| 12:28.32 | jm_ | GNULinux: compare the CD that works to one that doesn't |
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| 12:30.10 | visik7 | hi |
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| 12:30.39 | visik7 | is there a way to see what updates after an apt-get update ? |
| 12:30.43 | GNULinux | jm_: do you think it could be a problem in bitrates? The ones i burned recently were 190kbit and 320 kbit, the one that plays is lower |
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| 12:31.07 | jm_ | GNULinux: yes obviously, if your mp3 player doesn't support them - either way, use RW discs to test things until you get it right |
| 12:31.19 | jm_ | visik7: do you know what apt-get update does? |
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| 12:31.27 | weissi | visik7: apt-get upgrade will tell you (answer 'No' if you don't want to update) |
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| 12:31.49 | fireba11 | GNULinux: mp3 player usually have a bitrate range they support ... |
| 12:31.53 | visik7 | jm_: I want to know what has been updated (not only the packages installed on my sys) |
| 12:31.56 | tarzeau | say i have X=0.20.48 , how can i make it be 0.20.47 in bash? |
| 12:31.56 | prahal | why does "archived" bug reports stay ion the active page since the bts upgrade ? |
| 12:31.58 | jm_ | ohh I understand his question now, yes, you can tell apt-get to show what it will do |
| 12:32.01 | jm_ | visik7: see above |
| 12:32.02 | fireba11 | GNULinux: should say so in manual |
| 12:32.02 | GNULinux | fireba11: how stupid, that it isnt specifyed in the manual |
| 12:32.15 | GNULinux | fireba11: just says about 32,44.1,48khz |
| 12:32.16 | visik7 | jm_: yes how ? |
| 12:32.21 | fireba11 | GNULinux: usually it's like 48kbit to 160kbit or so |
| 12:32.23 | jm_ | visik7: man apt-get has the answer |
| 12:32.30 | weissi | visik7: nothing has been upgraded, update just updates the package lists and upgrade upgrades it! |
| 12:33.00 | visik7 | jm_: a keyword ? |
| 12:33.19 | visik7 | ok verbose |
| 12:33.22 | visik7 | ;) |
| 12:33.22 | visik7 | thanks |
| 12:33.25 | jm_ | visik7: read what various options do |
| 12:33.27 | jm_ | no not verbose |
| 12:33.28 | GNULinux | fireba11: do you know which program to use to convert to lower bitrates? |
| 12:33.29 | secher | Is there a way to have 2 network interfaces checked on boot and based on which one has connectivity, disable the other? For some reason, when I boot with my wireless NIC in, I have to manually disable eth0 in order for wlan0 to function. |
| 12:33.31 | fireba11 | GNULinux: thi higher the max bitrate the more expensive the decoderchip ;-) they usually play up to 192 or 160kbit |
| 12:33.35 | weissi | visik7: apt-get --simulate upgrade |
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| 12:33.55 | jm_ | secher: there are things like ifplugd |
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| 12:34.12 | secher | jm_: will check it out, thanks. |
| 12:34.15 | fireba11 | GNULinux: also i'd say anything over 160 kbit is just a waste of disk space ^^ you might need to re-encode |
| 12:34.25 | bcc | where can i read about how to use a modem with linux? |
| 12:34.39 | Jordany | hi |
| 12:34.42 | Jordany | hello |
| 12:34.43 | jm_ | bcc: for what? |
| 12:34.52 | weissi | bcc: what do you want to do? |
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| 12:34.58 | bcc | jm_: to do my laundry |
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| 12:35.18 | jm_ | bcc: I'm affraid someone else will have to help with that |
| 12:35.23 | jm_ | my modems don't do that |
| 12:35.36 | bcc | jm_: what do modems do? |
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| 12:35.50 | jm_ | bcc: they modulate and demodulate signals |
| 12:36.14 | bcc | jm_: so why did you ask me what i wanted to use it for? |
| 12:36.31 | jm_ | bcc: to know where to point you at obviously |
| 12:36.32 | weissi | bcc: -->jm_ and you can dial up a number and send data to it(internet connections, fax, ...) |
| 12:36.42 | secher | bcc: has it occurred to you that since 2 people asked you "to do what", there's a possibility that there may be other functions of a modem? Don't be a smartass when people are trying to help you. |
| 12:37.15 | bcc | to connet to a modem on the other end. |
| 12:37.24 | fireba11 | bcc: what type of modem are you talking about anyway ? phone-modem ? dsl-modem? cable-modem ? |
| 12:37.27 | weissi | bcc: with a ppp connection? |
| 12:37.34 | GNULinux | what is the difference between Rock Ridge and Rational rock ridge information ? |
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| 12:37.35 | jm_ | you just want to connect to it and do nothing else? |
| 12:37.51 | fireba11 | jm_ ouch |
| 12:37.55 | secher | bcc: are you trying to connect to the net over a dialup connection? are you trying to send a fax? |
| 12:38.01 | bcc | weissi: yes, but i need to actually figure out how to do the atdt before configuring ppp stuff |
| 12:38.13 | visik7 | weissi: -s show only updating of installed package |
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| 12:38.33 | bcc | secher: right now, i'm just trying to understand how i can use a modem under linux. |
| 12:39.03 | jm_ | bcc: no need to do it, run pppconfig and test if it works |
| 12:39.07 | weissi | jm_: ip connection (via PPP) or just some bytes? |
| 12:39.29 | weissi | visik7: and what do you want to know? |
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| 12:39.47 | jm_ | bcc: or if you want to do it manually, read how to do that using minicom and then start pppd manually |
| 12:39.51 | vree | I have a vfat mount under /mnt/test |
| 12:40.00 | vree | when I try to create a directory "foo " it won't work |
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| 12:40.07 | vree | even though the vfat specification allows a space at the end of a directory name |
| 12:40.17 | weissi | bcc: ip connection (via PPP) or just some bytes? |
| 12:40.32 | weissi | jm_: sorry, wrong msg sent to you... |
| 12:40.37 | GNULinux | fireba11: do you know which program to use to convert to lower bitrates? |
| 12:40.48 | bcc | jm_: pppconfig seems to work, but what do i do after setting it up? |
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| 12:41.09 | visik7 | weissi: I just want a diff of package list |
| 12:41.17 | visik7 | well formatted possibly |
| 12:41.21 | weissi | bcc: pppd call <connection> |
| 12:41.27 | jm_ | bcc: to be honest, I don't quite know how it configures it - did it add a new interface to interfaces file? otherwise you can simply use pon to initiate dialing |
| 12:41.30 | bcc | ok, thanks |
| 12:41.40 | weissi | visik7: ahh, of the whole package list? |
| 12:41.51 | fireba11 | GNULinux: no .. never needed to .. but most likely you need to re-encode (that is decode and encode in one step) it .. don't think there is a fast way to downsample it |
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| 12:41.52 | davFr | hi! |
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| 12:42.23 | visik7 | weissi: yes |
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| 12:43.05 | davFr | can s.o. help? i can't transparency in KDE (debian testing). I added composite and render in xorg.conf, and can see that these extensions are loaded (xorg.log). Nevertheless, KDE complains about composite being not loaded. |
| 12:43.30 | weissi | visik7: ouch, don't think apt supports that directly, you could save the old package list (somewhere under /var/apt/ ) and do a grep over package_name and version and then diff... |
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| 12:43.53 | pingouin | streuner: i got an hp laserjet1320 |
| 12:44.14 | pingouin | streuner: pretty good...on my neighbour computer... |
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| 12:44.45 | visik7 | weissi: so I should put it in pre apt-get update and post apt-get update how can I do ? |
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| 12:45.07 | pingouin | streuner: got some troubles to print.light flashing..then i hit the button..it's start and print.then..sends some white sheet of papers |
| 12:45.21 | weissi | visik7: wait a mom please (I'm at home with win32), I have to boot my vmware ;-) |
| 12:45.33 | visik7 | :) |
| 12:45.40 | visik7 | ok np |
| 12:45.42 | pingouin | streuner: just strange and waste of time/paper..but finally i got what i want.... just painfull |
| 12:45.56 | jm_ | visik7: generate the info that you want with say dpkg-awk or grep-dctrl tools, then update, generate the info again |
| 12:45.56 | GNULinux | fireba11: obviously it was really about bitrate, becouse now i can play 192bitrate |
| 12:46.25 | fireba11 | GNULinux: what bitrate did you use the 1st time ? |
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| 12:46.38 | fireba11 | visik7: like dpkg --get-selections > /backup/packages ? |
| 12:46.47 | visik7 | fireba11: mmm something more accurate |
| 12:46.59 | bcc | pppd does not seem to do anything |
| 12:47.10 | visik7 | fireba11: probably the entier /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 12:47.10 | GNULinux | fireba11: 250 and 320 doesnt want to be played |
| 12:47.36 | bcc | yes, in the logs it shows that it exits right away |
| 12:47.41 | tarzeau | oh damned dch |
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| 12:47.58 | GNULinux | fireba11: now i just need a program to convert from those bitrates to lower |
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| 12:48.29 | fireba11 | GNULinux: no wonder .. hardware decoder in mobile devices usually only support up to 192kbit .. and quite frankly using anything above that is just plain stupid .. 192kbit is what's on a CD anyway |
| 12:49.09 | weissi | bcc: what did you do? `pppd call <conn>`, `pon <conn>` or `ifup <interface>` |
| 12:49.17 | GNULinux | fireba11: well some mp3 from the net are encoded with this birtrate... |
| 12:49.58 | PerfDave | If people are sufficiently worried about quality to use >192kbps MP3s, then they should be sufficiently worried to use FLAC, or at least Vorbis. |
| 12:49.59 | bcc | weissi: pppd, but i'm not sure how to determine correct modem settings for pppconfig |
| 12:50.16 | secher | I've something I've never seen before: I have an eth1 on a system that only has one nic actually present, much less configured. "eth1 Link encap: UNSPEC" and so on. What is this? |
| 12:50.16 | fireba11 | GNULinux: i know .. found some with > 300 ... but thats just plain stupid .. got no mobile player myself because i can't finde a nice one with .ogg support ;-) |
| 12:50.22 | Trewas | fireba11: eh, uncompressed audio-CDs are 1410kbits |
| 12:50.33 | PerfDave | fireba11: /msg dpkg vorbis hardware |
| 12:51.07 | fireba11 | PerfDave: thanks .. taking a look |
| 12:51.08 | weissi | bcc: ok then do `killall pppd; pppd debug nodetach call <connection>` |
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| 12:51.46 | fireba11 | Trewas: you forgot that that is PCM and not mp3 .. so uncompressed .. 192 is enough to compress it losless anyway .. no need for more |
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| 12:52.14 | bcc | weissi: hold on, i need to figure out which module to load for the modem |
| 12:52.30 | weissi | bcc: no serial modem? |
| 12:52.35 | Trewas | fireba11: 192kbit mp3 (or whatever format) is far from lossless, real lossless codecs like flac reach only rarely even 50% compression which would be 700kbit |
| 12:52.38 | bcc | weissi: no |
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| 12:52.48 | weissi | bcc: what then? |
| 12:53.35 | bcc | weissi: intel 82801FB |
| 12:53.59 | weissi | visik7: the pkg lists are /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages |
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| 12:54.09 | weissi | bcc: oh, softmodem? |
| 12:54.11 | visik7 | weissi: ye I see it |
| 12:54.14 | fireba11 | Trewas: hm .. bay be true .. but they made tests and even experienced musicians weren't able to decide what sample was CD and what sample was mp3 at 128 kbit for sure ... and ogg is even better .. so what's the point ? |
| 12:54.17 | visik7 | weissi: not simple to manage |
| 12:54.38 | weissi | visik7: ok, try googling |
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| 12:55.17 | bcc | weissi: i don't know |
| 12:55.39 | jm_ | visik7: like I said, dpkg-awk/grep-dctrl tools can do it |
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| 12:56.00 | Trewas | fireba11: yes, 192kbit mp3 is usually good enough, just correcting the facts :) |
| 12:56.18 | nixie | 192kbit VBR with lame is good |
| 12:56.24 | davFr | where are xcompmgr and transset in debian testing? |
| 12:56.30 | nixie | 192kbit CBR isnt. 128kbit is just plain bad. |
| 12:56.30 | mike-m | ogg is the best ;) |
| 12:56.34 | mike-m | +vorbis |
| 12:56.49 | nixie | well im not an ogg fan so that might be true. i donno |
| 12:57.32 | fireba11 | nixie: especially when using quality level .. that's effectively VBR |
| 12:57.50 | secher | Ok, now a simple one: How do I get my wlan nic to automatically connect to a network with a specific essid, so I don't have to enter "iwconfig wlan0 essid <some_name>" each time I boot? ifconfig doesn't seem to provide for it and iwconfig does not seem to have daemon capacities. |
| 12:57.51 | nixie | no it isnt |
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| 12:57.53 | PerfDave | I generally can't tell the difference between 192kbps MP3 and CD, except on the not infrequent occasions when MP3 encoding shits artefacts all over the music. But I encode all my own music as Vorbis - less artefacting, better filesize:quality ratio, and not patented by a bunch of moneygrabbing arseholes. |
| 12:58.05 | PerfDave | secher: Uhm, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:58.15 | weissi | visik7: sorry, google was for bcc ;-) |
| 12:58.15 | weissi | bcc: try googling |
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| 12:58.26 | mike-m | http://www.mp3-cdburner.com/Audio-Format-Comparision-Table.shtml |
| 12:58.40 | weissi | visik7: hmm has it to be fast ;-)) |
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| 12:59.00 | secher | PerfDave: just enter essid <whatever> under the interface? Ok, that's too simple. Thanks. |
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| 12:59.13 | PerfDave | secher: Specifically, check out /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
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| 12:59.19 | mike-m | at good quality ogg vorbis is the best |
| 12:59.32 | secher | PerfDave: Thanks much man. |
| 12:59.35 | Shadowpillar | I have a usb flash drive |
| 13:00.25 | Shadowpillar | I had to redo the disklabel and the msdos disklabel only allows 24 mb of space on the drive while a label like bsd will allow full use of the 32 mb |
| 13:00.38 | Shadowpillar | will a windows machine play nice with a bsd disklabel? |
| 13:00.42 | weissi | visik7: ? |
| 13:01.03 | Shadowpillar | or is there a way to get the msdos disklabel to play nice? |
| 13:01.27 | jm_ | why are you using labels at all? |
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| 13:02.41 | Shadowpillar | ... |
| 13:02.53 | nixie | i have no idea what a disklabel is |
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| 13:02.55 | Shadowpillar | jm_: arent disklabels required for partitions? |
| 13:02.57 | krikke | hello |
| 13:03.00 | jm_ | Shadowpillar: hell no |
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| 13:03.24 | krikke | why isn't it correct if i do deb ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 13:03.46 | Shadowpillar | jm_: so, explain how I set up a partition table on a usb flash drive |
| 13:03.55 | nixie | cfdisk /dev/bla? |
| 13:03.59 | jm_ | Shadowpillar: fdisk /dev/foo |
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| 13:04.27 | nixie | cfdisk is a bit easier to use, but thats preference |
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| 13:05.09 | jm_ | I noticed that stupid windows xp wants specific layout on it, it refused to moutn logical drive for me, so better create primary partitions only |
| 13:05.34 | valdyn | ...or toggle the dos compatibility flag |
| 13:05.37 | unlearn | how could i mount a usb mp3 player? |
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| 13:06.05 | azeem | unlearn: it should get automatically mounted if you run KDE or GNOME |
| 13:06.19 | stew | unlearn: /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 13:06.39 | secher | what is the name of the system that acts as the Debian installer? I'm trying to find the contact(s) of the maintainers. |
| 13:07.21 | petemc | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:07.22 | Shadowpillar | jm_: thanks, that helped |
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| 13:07.48 | secher | petemc: Thanks Man. |
| 13:08.02 | stew | !maint debian-installer |
| 13:08.03 | petemc | secher: no sweat, i wouldnt bother them unless its fairly important, tho |
| 13:08.05 | dpkg | debian-installer: Debian Install System Team <debian-boot@lists.debian.org> |
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| 13:16.48 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
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| 13:17.30 | e-spy | hi |
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| 13:17.54 | unlearn | k thnx stew |
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| 13:18.17 | e-spy | how can i check md5sum of all files on debian sistem with md5sum there are wirtten ind *.deb packet in directory DEBIAN/md5sum |
| 13:18.23 | jm_ | md5sums |
| 13:18.28 | jm_ | sorry debsums |
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| 13:20.17 | tijn | anyone expierience with the HP scanjet 2400? |
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| 13:21.37 | e-spy | jm_ 10x |
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| 13:23.35 | weissi | visik7: did you solve you problem? If not: I've got a script for you which does compare two package lists... |
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| 13:26.27 | visik7 | weissi: I'm writing a script |
| 13:26.55 | secher | I have an old laptop whose keyboard is fried ( Sam Smith's Oatmeal Stout and computers don't mix well ) and I'd like to use it as a firewall so I can free up the system that is currently serving as a firewall. Can I just connect a WYSE terminal to a serial port in order to get enought functionality to perform an install? |
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| 13:27.23 | setuid | Anyone happen to know when libpng12/pngcrush are going to be working again? |
| 13:28.44 | jm_ | secher: hmm install might be tricky, but yah it's all doable |
| 13:29.23 | jm_ | let me check netinst ISO's isolinux.cfg |
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| 13:29.43 | secher | jm_: Thanks! |
| 13:29.58 | ma3x | hi. is usb lan connection detectable in debian? |
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| 13:30.23 | jcm | hi, my last unstable update broke utf8 in gnome-terminal. I ran dpkg-reconfigure locale, i got locales vars with uft8 in root, but in simple user i cannot get a correct locale :( |
| 13:30.45 | PerfDave | jcm: Did you check the BTS already? |
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| 13:31.04 | jm_ | secher: it doesn't have any SERIAL entries |
| 13:31.23 | ma3x | is USB cable internet working in debian or not?! |
| 13:31.29 | secher | jm_: oh.... bummer. |
| 13:31.49 | PerfDave | ma3x: You've got a cable modem that connects over USB? |
| 13:32.17 | jcm | PerfDave: Sry, what is BTS ? |
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| 13:32.50 | PerfDave | !btssmite jcm |
| 13:32.52 | jm_ | secher: it's somewhat simple to get arround if you have a burner and some patience to create your own CD |
| 13:32.53 | ma3x | PerfDave exactly! |
| 13:33.14 | PerfDave | ma3x: So what were you asking about LAN connections for? :) |
| 13:33.21 | secher | jm_: I do, and I have. Thanks man. |
| 13:33.37 | jcm | ok, apologize... unstable was so good that I didn't have to find the BTS for last four years ;p |
| 13:33.37 | ma3x | PerfDave well it is LAN over usb cable, no? |
| 13:34.15 | PerfDave | ma3x: Probably not by any sensible definition of "LAN". |
| 13:34.38 | jm_ | secher: I manage it entirely via serial console, but it was installed normally |
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| 13:35.05 | PerfDave | ma3x: It would help if you asked a question of the form "How can I get a model X cable modem, connected over USB, to work with Debian?" |
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| 13:35.32 | ma3x | PerfDave OK, I accept your suggestion, I'm gonna try to formulate my question better next time. Now how can I do that? |
| 13:35.48 | PerfDave | ma3x: How can you do what? |
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| 13:36.16 | jm_ | secher: in fact, you may get away with GRUB and the regular CD I guess |
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| 13:36.31 | ma3x | PerfDave how can i make it work (the cable modem connected via USB)/ |
| 13:36.36 | britt | what software is recommended for ripping CDs in console mode |
| 13:36.41 | jm_ | britt: abcde |
| 13:36.57 | darkness_ | Hi, since i did an upgrade on my sarge box yesterday which included a kernel upgrade i've lost my eth0 connection? |
| 13:37.00 | britt | jm_: a joke, or real util |
| 13:37.10 | jm_ | britt: apt-cache show abcde and decide for yourself |
| 13:37.23 | PerfDave | ma3x: *sigh* It would help if you could provide the information you've been asked for. |
| 13:37.25 | britt | jm_: cool, sorry bout my disbelif |
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| 13:37.43 | ma3x | PerfDave http://broadband.motorola.com/noflash/sb5100.html |
| 13:37.50 | secher | jm_: do you by any chance know how far a distance a serial device can be wired? I'd really like to be able to fish a line down to my living room and have a terminal there, if only for the "nifty" factor. :) |
| 13:37.58 | raboof | where could i get information about a release schedule/plan for the next stable release, if such a thing exists? |
| 13:38.02 | jm_ | secher: what's the distance? |
| 13:38.07 | SimonRaven | FUCK I HATE FLASH |
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| 13:38.13 | SimonRaven | woops, ECHAN |
| 13:38.25 | secher | jm_: I'd guess not more than ..... 35 feet. |
| 13:38.32 | PerfDave | raboof: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 13:38.32 | darkness_ | Any bugs reported on the latest upgrade? |
| 13:38.37 | secher | jm_: at most. |
| 13:38.42 | PerfDave | darkness_: Did you check the BTS? |
| 13:38.46 | ma3x | PerfDave one way I think of is : downloading those usb drivers and installing them via ndiswrapper? |
| 13:38.48 | jm_ | secher: http://www.rs485.com/rs485spec.html says 50ft |
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| 13:39.26 | secher | jm_: Thanks again. I should have googled myself, instead of having you do my work for me. Sorry bout that. |
| 13:39.44 | darkness_ | PerfDave: My eth0 connection dropped since the last upgrade. |
| 13:39.56 | PerfDave | darkness_: Yes, so you said. Did you check the BTS? |
| 13:40.01 | ma3x | PerfDave I can also use the ethernet port, but when I try to browse the web, it always redirects me to 'statistika' which is the statistic page of the cable isp |
| 13:40.22 | ma3x | PerfDave in other words they've configured it somehow, so now I can connect via usb (windows) only |
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| 13:40.23 | darkness_ | PerfDave: Forgive my ignorance, what is BTS? |
| 13:40.32 | PerfDave | !btssmite darkness_ |
| 13:40.43 | PerfDave | ma3x: What you need to do is to ask the channel "How do I get a Motorola SURFboard SB5100 cable modem working over USB with Debian?" |
| 13:41.00 | ma3x | ok I ask you that now |
| 13:41.06 | PerfDave | ma3x: It would probably help if you first googled for "sb5100 usb debian" |
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| 13:41.17 | PerfDave | ma3x: Why the hell are you asking me, when there are hundreds of people in this channel? |
| 13:41.55 | Shadur | ma3x: And, of course, the eternal question: Have you googled already? |
| 13:42.10 | raboof | PerfDave: thanks for the pointer. didn't mean to pester, just liked to see where we stand. |
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| 13:42.31 | learnfromscratch | voice comes first.. i mean ahead of action when i play a avi file.. how do i fix it ? |
| 13:42.31 | PerfDave | ma3x: Did you even read the FUCKING FAQ on the MANUFACTURER'S WEBSITE? http://broadband.motorola.com/noflash/sb_faq.html#p28 |
| 13:42.36 | learnfromscratch | voice comes first.. i mean ahead of action when i play a avi file.. how do i fix it ? i use mplayer |
| 13:42.45 | raboof | PerfDave: what does 'wwer' stand for? (maybe then I'll remember it next time ;)) |
| 13:42.58 | stew | when will etch release |
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| 13:43.04 | raboof | right, makes sense :) |
| 13:43.56 | stew | learnfromscratch: use the -delay parameter |
| 13:44.09 | secher | Ok, I'm up 2 hours past dawn. bedtime. Night all... |
| 13:45.17 | visik7 | how can I sort a group of line based only on a line ? (the file is Packages in /var/lib/apt/lists) |
| 13:45.43 | ma3x | if it does not support linux drivers then why the ethernet connection is working only for ping only? |
| 13:45.46 | _weissi | visik7: didn't you see my question? I have a script for you which does this, if you want... |
| 13:45.56 | _weissi | visik7: I was disconnected.. |
| 13:45.58 | ma3x | when i try to browse the web, its redirecting me to the statistic page of the isp |
| 13:46.19 | stew | visik7: grep-dctrl should be helpful |
| 13:46.38 | visik7 | _weissi: oh I tell you that I'm writing my script |
| 13:46.40 | PerfDave | ma3x: Ask your ISP, or Motorola. I'm guessing that it's because it doesn't support NAT, and you need to do some crazy pppoe magic. |
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| 13:46.54 | _weissi | visik7: come to #flood |
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| 13:47.35 | stew | ma3x: do you know if it's happening via dns or some kind of captive redirect? what do you see whan you go to http://72.14.207.99 ? |
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| 13:48.20 | Jochen | Hi |
| 13:48.30 | Jochen | Has anybody of you installed java on debian?! I am facing problem |
| 13:48.32 | Jochen | problems |
| 13:48.40 | blondie | !anybody |
| 13:48.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:48.43 | stew | Jochen: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 13:49.09 | Jochen | ? |
| 13:49.21 | stew | !tell Jochen about java-package |
| 13:49.27 | PerfDave | !tell Jochen -about java |
| 13:49.41 | _weissi | visik7: hurry up, I have to go soon |
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| 13:50.40 | Jochen | But the command: fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; doesn't work with the fjdk I downloaded from sun |
| 13:50.56 | Jochen | fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin |
| 13:50.56 | Jochen | Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXHH19tH |
| 13:50.56 | Jochen | Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 13:50.56 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 13:50.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 13:51.35 | Jochen | and the last message: No matching plugin was found. |
| 13:51.38 | Jochen | and he aborts |
| 13:51.41 | Jochen | :( |
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| 13:52.02 | PerfDave | !tell Jochen -about paste |
| 13:52.24 | fireba11 | PerfDave: he's pretty resistent :-) |
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| 13:52.42 | porridge | hi |
| 13:52.53 | Jochen | I mean, is it perhaps because I am using ubuntu?! |
| 13:53.00 | PerfDave | AAARGH |
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| 13:53.03 | alphy | can anyone help me? I just got ubuntu yesterday and I can't change my screen resolution. |
| 13:53.04 | stew | Jochen: it has to match a filename found in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 13:53.08 | PerfDave | Jochen: This is not #ubuntu. Read the topic. |
| 13:53.13 | fireba11 | !ops Jochen is tolling, please do something about it ^^ |
| 13:53.14 | PerfDave | alphy: This is not #ubuntu. Read the topic. |
| 13:53.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Jochen is tolling, please do something about it ^^ |
| 13:53.18 | porridge | do I need new libdevicemapper than sarge's when switching from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 (using LVM)? |
| 13:53.20 | _weissi | visik7: did you hear? |
| 13:54.19 | stew | fireba11: he's not trolling. |
| 13:54.23 | _weissi | visik7: bye (http://www.tux4u.de/tst.sh, expects /tmp/a and /tmp/b as the lists) ... |
| 13:54.26 | _weissi | visik7: sorry |
| 13:54.34 | Jochen | should be supported: I found the line: jdk-1_5_0_[0-9][0-9]-linux-i586.bin |
| 13:54.42 | PerfDave | Jochen: This is not #ubuntu. Read the topic. |
| 13:54.45 | eye69 | porridge: Shouldn't do. |
| 13:55.11 | fireba11 | stew he can't be serious can he ? |
| 13:55.15 | darkness_ | PerfDave, I can't see anything on the bugs website. |
| 13:55.20 | stew | fireba11: i can't imagine he's not serious |
| 13:55.21 | porridge | eye69: is that "you need a newer one" or "the sarge's one will do"? |
| 13:55.40 | eye69 | porridge: Sarge's one should work fine. |
| 13:55.54 | porridge | eye69: thanks |
| 13:56.00 | fireba11 | stew: i counted 3 times someone told him to go #ubuntu .. ^^ |
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| 13:56.26 | porridge | then I need to find out why libdevmapper is unable to communicate with the kernel driver :/ |
| 13:56.29 | PerfDave | darkness_: Well, that's the first place you should check. You may also want to use reportbug to report a bug if you think the package is at fault. |
| 13:56.53 | Jochen | Everybody knows that ubuntu IS debian |
| 13:56.58 | darkness_ | PerfDave. Is it worth checking init? |
| 13:57.07 | eye69 | Jochen: It's not. Now go away. |
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| 13:57.15 | PerfDave | !tell Jochen -about ubuntu |
| 13:57.18 | Ronin | Jochen: no it not, its based on but not debian |
| 13:57.28 | Jochen | ok |
| 13:57.44 | PerfDave | Everyone knows that Ubuntu is Debian. Apart from people like Mark Shuttleworth ;) |
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| 13:57.49 | Jochen | Sorry disturbing you |
| 13:57.57 | Jochen | But thanks anyway for your help |
| 13:58.17 | Jochen | I wish you all a nice day, (and please.. don't try to be that unpolite with "Go away") |
| 13:58.29 | Jochen | Good bye |
| 13:58.33 | PerfDave | Jochen: Go away :p |
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| 13:58.46 | PerfDave | darkness_: You'll want to look at which driver is used for your NIC, and whether it's being loaded by the new kernel. You might need to modprobe it manually. |
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| 14:02.16 | poncha | hi. i need help with cron script ... ;) i used some example (from cron.d entry of prog i dont remember now even ;)) what it is suposed to do: run every minute and check whether defaults file exists, then source it , check if enabled and if yes, exec $MYEXEC binary... but i am definitely missing smth and since i am not to good with sh conditionals i cant figure out why what i written is wrong :( http://pastebin.com/471586 |
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| 14:03.24 | stew | poncha: do you realize how very dangerous what you are trying to do is? |
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| 14:03.45 | poncha | stew, i am trying to run an exec every minute ... |
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| 14:03.52 | weissi | visik7: so, I'm now re-here ;-). Did you receive it? |
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| 14:04.17 | stew | poncha: yes, but you are creating a security hole whereby anyone who figures out a way to create/alter that file can execute arbitrary commands as root |
| 14:04.19 | bibe | hi all. does sarge's wget support files >2GB? What's the recommended way to fetch Debian DVD ISO image? |
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| 14:04.31 | poncha | why would it be dangerous? :) (the executable itself is smth i wrote so i know what it is precisely) |
| 14:04.32 | stew | bibe: jigdo |
| 14:04.37 | PerfDave | bibe: The recommended way is jigdo / jigit |
| 14:04.38 | vassagus | !oas |
| 14:04.40 | poncha | the file is read/write only as root |
| 14:04.42 | bibe | stew : thanks |
| 14:04.50 | bibe | PerfDave : thank you too |
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| 14:05.28 | poncha | stew, besides , there are only two users that can enter that machine. one of them is me, second one is my boss... if he wishes to destroy the machine so be it :0 |
| 14:05.37 | stew | poncha: i might have misread your original goal |
| 14:05.43 | unlearn | yea jigdo |
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| 14:06.08 | stew | poncha: instead of trying to do this all in a one-liner, why not just create a script and let cron run that script? |
| 14:07.19 | poncha | stew, tried... simply separated the blocks into lines and then it falls on line 'if [ -R "$MYEXEC" ]; then' |
| 14:07.43 | stew | poncha: man test |
| 14:07.44 | visik7 | weissi: mmm no |
| 14:07.45 | poncha | i am mixing syntaxes from different shells ? :/ |
| 14:07.55 | poncha | ok thanks |
| 14:08.09 | stew | poncha: [ foo ]; runs "test foo", i don't see -R in the test manpage |
| 14:08.34 | poncha | oops.. that was supposed to be lowercase -r |
| 14:08.44 | weissi | visik7: http://www.tux4u.de/tst.sh |
| 14:08.46 | poncha | (typo on irc) |
| 14:09.49 | visik7 | weissi: so how it works ? |
| 14:10.11 | poncha | stew: (from man bash): -r true if file exists and readable |
| 14:10.14 | weissi | visik7: well for me I think ;-) |
| 14:10.24 | stew | poncha: how did this fail? |
| 14:10.49 | odla | tarzeau: bubnbros? |
| 14:10.52 | marc7 | the default debian netinst cd image has a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel... can anybody point me to the .config file for the 2.6 kernel? I need to recompile it with a few more options... but want to keep the basics. |
| 14:10.57 | poncha | stew: line 9: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' |
| 14:11.06 | poncha | (line 9 is what i copied here) |
| 14:11.49 | visik7 | weissi: how it handle multiple version of one package ? |
| 14:11.51 | stew | poncha: put the entire script into a pastebin |
| 14:11.52 | jm_ | marc7: it's in /boot |
| 14:12.08 | marc7 | ... really? *looks* |
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| 14:12.53 | stew | !config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 14:12.54 | dpkg | i heard config-2.6.8-2-386 is http://vireo.org/~stew/config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 14:13.08 | weissi | visik7: it's a bash script, first it build up 3 arrays: 1: pkg-names, 2: version1, 3: version2. Then it loops through array1 and compairs version1 and version2 in their arrays... |
| 14:13.17 | marc7 | <3 |
| 14:13.21 | marc7 | thank you both |
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| 14:13.47 | poncha | damn! |
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| 14:14.08 | poncha | found the problem the second i posted it in pastebin :) (syntax highlighting) |
| 14:14.14 | stew | heh |
| 14:14.22 | poncha | had missing " in completely other place :))) |
| 14:14.37 | visik7 | weissi: yes but if there are 2 package with the same name? (e.g. if u use testing and unstable together) ? |
| 14:14.41 | poncha | thanks stew |
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| 14:15.17 | weissi | visik7: ah until now, you have to copy the package list before and after apt-get update to /tmp/a and /tmp/b |
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| 14:15.40 | azeem | fireba11: please do not abuse !ops. Just because somebody doesn't about something or the difference between #debian and #ubuntu doesn't mean they troll; especially if he said only line about Ubuntu at all until you called for moderation |
| 14:15.48 | azeem | +know |
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| 14:16.20 | fireba11 | azeem: sorry .. he got told about 3 times to go to #ubuntu and didn't even reply to that |
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| 14:16.43 | krikke | why doesn't /proc/modules work, it gives me a permission denied, i'm logged in as root |
| 14:17.34 | pumpkin0 | krikke: what do you mean: "work" ? |
| 14:17.41 | krikke | permission denied |
| 14:17.46 | EdLin | !doesn't work |
| 14:17.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:17.51 | fireba11 | krikke: what are you tring to do on it ? |
| 14:18.15 | azeem | fireba11: right, but /after/ you called !ops |
| 14:18.22 | krikke | just |
| 14:18.32 | krikke | doing /proc/modules |
| 14:18.34 | stew | krikke: "cat /proc/modules" |
| 14:18.46 | jm_ | !do krikke |
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| 14:18.59 | fireba11 | azeem: no .. he was told that bevore too .. also i thought he coulnd't be possibly serious .. ^^ |
| 14:19.01 | krikke | with cat it works |
| 14:19.11 | krikke | mmm |
| 14:19.14 | krikke | i have a strange problem still |
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| 14:19.21 | stew | krikke: its not a script or executable, just a text file |
| 14:19.22 | EdLin | krikke: you're trying to run it? You can't run data files |
| 14:19.25 | krikke | ow :) |
| 14:19.26 | visik7 | weissi: ok but can I do something like this: cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages > /tmp/a |
| 14:19.26 | krikke | thx |
| 14:19.33 | azeem | fireba11: well, read scrollback. He said no line between he admitted running Ubuntu and you calling !ops |
| 14:19.36 | fireba11 | azeem: noticed later that i was wrong .. sorry about bugging you |
| 14:19.59 | krikke | I have a creative soundblaster card ("AWE32 quirk - adding two ports |
| 14:20.15 | krikke | I see with dmesg AWE32 quirk - adding two ports |
| 14:20.19 | azeem | fireba11: no problem, just wanting to make it clear |
| 14:20.23 | krikke | Card 'Creative SB AWE32 PnP' |
| 14:20.23 | weissi | visik7: no |
| 14:20.30 | krikke | but alsa doesn't find it |
| 14:20.44 | visik7 | weissi: oh ok |
| 14:20.52 | stew | krikke: do you have the "emu10k1" module loaded? |
| 14:21.07 | krikke | how can I see |
| 14:21.13 | weissi | visik7: it can just compare pre and post `apt-get update` states... |
| 14:21.14 | stew | krikke: lsmod | grep emu10k1 |
| 14:21.22 | pumpkin0 | krikke: lsmod |
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| 14:21.31 | krikke | no it doesn't |
| 14:21.42 | krikke | not loaded i think |
| 14:21.46 | pumpkin0 | krikke: modprobe emu10k1 |
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| 14:22.00 | stew | pumpkin0: why would he do that? |
| 14:22.00 | krikke | nothing happens |
| 14:22.05 | krikke | new line |
| 14:22.11 | weissi | visik7: wait... it has a bug: count of packages should not change before and after update. But your question with *_Packages > /tmp/a works, because of this bug ;-) |
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| 14:22.21 | pumpkin0 | krikke: is it now loaded ? |
| 14:22.24 | EdLin | krikke: if nothing happens after a modprobe that's ok |
| 14:22.35 | stew | no, he's not trying to use oss, he's trying to use alsa |
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| 14:22.48 | weissi | visik7: but only if no new packages are added and no packages are deleted (in the package lists) |
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| 14:22.56 | pumpkin0 | stew: ups, sorry |
| 14:23.03 | krikke | after doing modprobe nothing happens, then doing lsmod | grep emu10k1 also nothing |
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| 14:23.19 | stew | uhh |
| 14:23.19 | jcm | PerfDave: having checked, i don't find a bug in locales or in gnome-terminal |
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| 14:23.41 | pumpkin0 | krikke: are you root ? double check your spelling |
| 14:23.41 | jcm | why dpkg-reconfigure locales would change root settings and not the user ones ? |
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| 14:24.06 | weissi | visik7: now, it's organized like that: NAMES[0..n]=(pkg-name1, pkg-name2, ...), VERSION1[0..n]=(ver1, ver2, ...), VERSION2[0..n]=(ver1, ver2, ...) |
| 14:24.13 | krikke | jep |
| 14:24.14 | krikke | root |
| 14:24.22 | krikke | but nothing happens after those 2 things |
| 14:24.34 | weissi | visik7: so NAMES[2] can be "MyPkg" and NAMES[5] can be "MyPkg", too ;-) |
| 14:24.56 | stew | krikke: if you did modprobe emu10k1 ; and didn't get an error, then "lsmod | grep emu10k1" would return a few lines containing emu10k1. however if you were trying to get alsa working, you don't want that module loaded in the first place |
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| 14:25.31 | krikke | nop, lsmod | grep emu10k1 doesn't do anything |
| 14:25.37 | visik7 | weissi: ok I'm writing my own just for fun |
| 14:25.39 | krikke | but euhm |
| 14:25.43 | krikke | I installed unstable |
| 14:25.45 | krikke | does that matter |
| 14:25.48 | stew | krikke: can you run "lsmod | grep sound" and paste the results to a pastebin or to #flood (don't paste here) |
| 14:25.57 | stew | krikke: what does "uname -r" return? |
| 14:26.10 | krikke | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 14:26.23 | stew | krikke: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 14:26.39 | krikke | just copy and execute? |
| 14:26.50 | stew | !tell krikke about 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 14:27.17 | krikke | ok sec |
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| 14:27.21 | weissi | visik7: ok, do that *g* |
| 14:27.35 | krikke | moment please |
| 14:27.54 | stew | take all the time you like... |
| 14:28.27 | krikke | is it |
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| 14:29.52 | krikke | it's downloading new modules |
| 14:29.53 | britt | what's a good mp3 encoder? Glame wont work well with abcde |
| 14:30.05 | jm_ | what is glame? |
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| 14:30.23 | jm_ | why don't you use oggenc or lame? |
| 14:30.25 | britt | jm_: its like the reincarnation of lame i think |
| 14:30.34 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 14:30.35 | prock | britt: are you stuck on mp3? ogg makes some nice sounds |
| 14:30.37 | jm_ | britt: naah something different, according to the description |
| 14:30.41 | stew | did lame die and require reincarnation? |
| 14:30.59 | prock | britt: otherwise I use bladeenc |
| 14:31.08 | britt | prock: i have serveral other computers that play music. and they universally play mp3 |
| 14:31.39 | stew | britt: glame is in main which means it cannot contain an mp3 encoder. there are no mp3 encoders in debian due to patent restrictions |
| 14:32.03 | stew | britt: use lame from marillat, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:32.26 | krikke | stew |
| 14:32.29 | krikke | he found the card |
| 14:32.44 | jm_ | he is good ;) |
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| 14:32.50 | prock | britt: nothing wrong with mp3 besides the patent concerns... but if you haven't tried ogg your should listen to some samples/comparisons. They're pretty good. |
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| 14:34.51 | britt | prock: thanks ive never really checked it out |
| 14:34.55 | poxysolaris | Anybody here affected by the NTC MTA subway strike? |
| 14:35.04 | poxysolaris | I've never seen so many people at once trying to exit penn station ny at once |
| 14:35.12 | britt | poxysolaris: i think that strike sucks though. |
| 14:35.32 | britt | 25% pay increase |
| 14:35.33 | poxysolaris | The city will sue them for monetary damages |
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| 14:35.49 | britt | i would if i were in the posision |
| 14:35.52 | krikke | guys, you rock ^^ |
| 14:36.10 | poxysolaris | Of course. It could cost the city millions or tens of millions or hundreds of millions per day |
| 14:36.12 | krikke | do I need to load some modules each time to let the sound work? |
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| 14:36.24 | stew | poxysolaris: wouldn't sueing them be double jeopardy since there are already laws saying they are fined 2x pay? |
| 14:36.34 | pumpkin0 | krikke: also-conf should have done everything for you |
| 14:36.36 | BrittMan914 | krikke: have you tried alsacong |
| 14:36.37 | stew | krikke: alsaconf should take care of that for you |
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| 14:36.40 | prock | yeah... how dare they exercise their right strike. |
| 14:36.45 | BrittMan914 | *alsaconf* |
| 14:36.46 | prock | s/right/right to/g |
| 14:36.51 | krikke | ok that's nice :) |
| 14:36.52 | poxysolaris | stew: They broke the law because the court ordered them not to strike...they already sued for them not to strike, but they can also sue for monetary damages, according to cnn |
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| 14:36.55 | krikke | thank you guys |
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| 14:37.05 | stew | prock: they don't have that right, they are explicitly forbidden that right |
| 14:37.12 | debiankid | hello all the rroom |
| 14:37.15 | prock | stew: illegally. |
| 14:37.29 | stew | prock: illegally what? |
| 14:37.33 | poxysolaris | prock: It's bullshit. MTA ran across $1B surplus by selling property and now the union wants 25% pay increase. This is a drop in the bucket because in order to survive the MTA needs $700million/yr from the NYC taxes, and without it, the mta would sink faster than a rock in water |
| 14:37.36 | prock | stew: illegally forbidden. |
| 14:37.37 | BrittMan914 | nerim.net is down? |
| 14:37.46 | stew | prock: how is it illegal? |
| 14:37.53 | poxysolaris | stew: becuase they're transit workers |
| 14:38.08 | g00dm4n | Hello, Im working on Debian Sarge, I need to install a good mail server + its web server to view mails via web. any tips pls |
| 14:38.12 | stew | poxysolaris: i understand that, prock is saying that the law forbidding strikes is illegal |
| 14:38.20 | BrittMan914 | exim4 for the mail server |
| 14:38.24 | poxysolaris | Oh, sorry, you're wrong the person, stew |
| 14:38.31 | prock | stew: you mean to tell me the constitution of the US says 'transit workers cannot strike' . Quite the opposite I'd presume. |
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| 14:38.38 | debiankid | exim4 is a good mail ? |
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| 14:38.48 | BrittMan914 | cyrus21 for the imapd stuff and i use squirrelmail for webmail |
| 14:38.51 | debiankid | exim4 works line sendmail rigt? |
| 14:38.52 | mtnman | prock: i would guess it is a state law |
| 14:38.58 | stew | prock: the constitution doens't mention strikes anywhere |
| 14:39.06 | poxysolaris | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/16/ny.transit.talks.ap/index.html |
| 14:39.06 | BrittMan914 | debiankid: i find it more configurable |
| 14:39.18 | poxysolaris | Transit workers are barred by state law from striking |
| 14:39.21 | poxysolaris | that's why it's illegal |
| 14:39.24 | BrittMan914 | debiankid: if you have any specific Q regarding this you can pm me |
| 14:39.26 | Zugschlus | debiankid: on the command line, yes |
| 14:39.29 | poxysolaris | The workers could lose two days' pay for every day on strike, and the city is seeking much larger damages against the union and its individual members. |
| 14:39.44 | debiankid | mmmmm sound interesting |
| 14:39.47 | prock | poxysolaris, ntmman: doesn't the constitution override state laws? |
| 14:39.48 | poxysolaris | So the workers lose, and the people who make up the union will be targeted |
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| 14:39.57 | poxysolaris | prock: 04:34 < stew> prock: the constitution doens't mention strikes anywhere |
| 14:39.59 | BrittMan914 | anybody know of a merillat mirror |
| 14:40.08 | debiankid | i have on my workstation debian3.1 sarge installed later ill settuo exim4 |
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| 14:40.23 | stew | prock: yes, but since the constitution doesn't mention strikes, it doens't override the state law |
| 14:40.24 | prock | poxysolaris: right to protest? |
| 14:40.36 | tarzeau | odla: i'm at work, but have you installed popularity-contest yet? |
| 14:40.41 | BrittMan914 | debiankid: and cyrus21 |
| 14:40.42 | poxysolaris | prock: it's a state law, and they knew all about it when they started the job |
| 14:40.45 | themp | anyone running on ultrasparc platform ? |
| 14:40.46 | tarzeau | !seen raboof |
| 14:40.46 | dpkg | raboof <i=arnouten@vhe-400091.sshn.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 57m 40s ago, saying: 'right, makes sense :)'. |
| 14:41.14 | tarzeau | odla: i'll play again when it's packaged for debian |
| 14:41.31 | fireba11 | debiankid: did you chosse what imap/pop3 to use ? |
| 14:41.50 | snail | poxysolaris: do you know _all_ state laws in your state? |
| 14:41.58 | poxysolaris | snail: of course not |
| 14:42.07 | snail | are you sure they knew the law when they started? |
| 14:42.09 | stew | prock: the constitution doesn't give you the right to protest, it gives you the right to "petition the government" but that doesn't mean you get to break any state laws you wish in the form or protest |
| 14:42.20 | Whitman | Anyone use the fish shell? If I do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade in bash things run as expected, but if I do the same in fish sudo apt-get update gets forked to the background and then I get a syntax error for the rest of the line. |
| 14:42.28 | poxysolaris | snail: the union workers dont have a choice anyway. the union does know the laws |
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| 14:42.54 | snail | poxysolaris: i wasn't commenting on the strike, I was commenting on your assertion |
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| 14:43.12 | BrittMan914 | yeah it is getting a bit distracting |
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| 14:43.42 | prock | I don't even live in NYC, but government laws against striking seems a bit... authoritarian to me. |
| 14:43.46 | debiankid | fireba11 heheh in complete new using debian bud |
| 14:43.51 | BrittMan914 | shut* |
| 14:43.51 | prock | lol |
| 14:43.57 | BrittMan914 | :o |
| 14:44.00 | snail | prock: welcome to america |
| 14:44.08 | nipra | Can someone help? http://pastebin.com/471633 |
| 14:44.11 | mtnman | prock: unless it is to protect public safety, which the law in question supposedly protects against. |
| 14:44.20 | mtnman | s/against// |
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| 14:44.31 | poxysolaris | prock: did you stop to think about the estimates of hundreds of millions of dollars lost per day on a strike? and the fact that the union ignored a court ordered order to not strike? |
| 14:44.32 | debiankid | now im setting up my computer to do all my windows stuffs on debian box |
| 14:44.33 | jm_ | nipra: have you run that as root? |
| 14:44.34 | Humanoid | Does debian document the patches for packages? I'm trying to find the documentation for the xserver-xorg patches that provide the evdev device, and the -novtswitch and -sharevts command line options. |
| 14:44.38 | stew | prock: imagine if the police went on strike, or NYC sanitation, or FDNY, you would very quickly have safety issues, that is why there are laws against public workers striking |
| 14:44.45 | nipra | jm_, yes |
| 14:44.55 | prock | mmm MMM Mmmm MM mm. |
| 14:45.00 | BrittMan914 | debiankid: thats what i did. I use my apple daily, but i have three servers running debian sarge |
| 14:45.22 | jm_ | nipra: use sux, or sudo, or "/msg mit-magic-cookie" or "/msg runstuffasroot" |
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| 14:45.46 | BrittMan914 | #nycstrike |
| 14:45.56 | debiankid | hehehe i have 2 servers one whitebox and debian 3.1 sarge and my workstation is using the same version of debian sarge |
| 14:46.06 | debiankid | brb |
| 14:46.09 | mtnman | brittman914: an apple a day... |
| 14:46.15 | poxysolaris | keeps your pocket dry |
| 14:46.29 | BrittMan914 | pssh |
| 14:46.29 | fireba11 | debiankid: what's a whitebox ? |
| 14:46.44 | mtnman | firba11: a distro, iirc |
| 14:47.07 | fireba11 | !whitebox |
| 14:47.07 | dpkg | i heard whitebox is a shortened form of Whitebox Linux, ask me about <whitebox linux> |
| 14:47.21 | fireba11 | !whitebox linux |
| 14:47.21 | dpkg | whitebox linux is probably a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by a few volunteers. Check out http://www.whiteboxlinux.org for more info |
| 14:47.32 | fireba11 | ah |
| 14:47.50 | darkness_ | Once you've upgraded a kernel is there any way of going back to the old one? |
| 14:47.57 | BrittMan914 | merillat...any mirrors? |
| 14:48.03 | rootnoverify | downgrading |
| 14:48.09 | fireba11 | darkness_: sure .. old one will still be there and in your bootloader |
| 14:48.14 | idis_ | cal -l30 |
| 14:48.26 | poxysolaris | prock: look up the taylor law |
| 14:48.57 | darkness_ | Mmmm |
| 14:49.08 | stew | darkness_: do you mean a newer version of the same kernel, like the recent 2.6.8-2 that got upgraded or going back to an older kernel version, like 2.6.14->2.6.12? |
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| 14:49.45 | darkness_ | stew, yes. Sarge was upgraded yesterday on apt-get upgrade. |
| 14:49.54 | fireba11 | darkness_: so no risk in trying to upgrade to a new version if you got accesst o the box so you can shoose in bootloader :-) |
| 14:49.55 | BrittMan914 | stew: im glad that the kernel got upgraded |
| 14:49.57 | darkness_ | stew, now my internet connection is borked. |
| 14:50.04 | stew | fireba11: you are wrong here |
| 14:50.19 | fireba11 | stew i am ? enlighten me please |
| 14:50.47 | stew | darkness_: in that case it won't be in the bootloader, you can see if the older version is still in /var/cache/apt/archives, or download it from a mirror and dpkg -i it |
| 14:50.54 | darkness_ | Newer version of the same kernel does not leave the old version in bootloader. |
| 14:51.09 | stew | fireba11: he didn't install a new kernel package, his old one got replaced by a newer version of the same |
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| 14:51.30 | darkness_ | stew, is it worth trying to debug it? |
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| 14:51.38 | fireba11 | stew: ah .. he didn't say that i think .. though he was thinking about switching to a newer kernel |
| 14:51.48 | stew | darkness_: yes, what driver are you using? |
| 14:52.04 | darkness_ | stew, ethernet? |
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| 14:52.12 | stew | darkness_: yes, what nic, what driver? |
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| 14:53.05 | darkness_ | stew: very good question. I don't know. |
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| 14:53.29 | Ronin | heh nice limit |
| 14:53.31 | odla | tarzeau: when is it suppose to be packaged for debian? |
| 14:53.41 | BrittMan914 | i guess i'll have to compile lame then? |
| 14:53.44 | stew | darkness_: "lspci | grep -i ether" |
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| 14:54.02 | stew | BrittMan914: install it from marillat /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 14:54.10 | tarzeau | odla: yes panthera is working on it |
| 14:54.16 | j0nas | how can i check the cpu and harddrive temp? |
| 14:54.17 | BrittMan914 | stew: the server is down.... |
| 14:54.21 | tarzeau | odla: i've filed an ITP long long long ago |
| 14:54.26 | BrittMan914 | j0nas: mbmon? |
| 14:54.27 | odla | ha ha |
| 14:54.47 | stew | BrittMan914: it gets overloaded from time to time, try back in a moment, or check debian-unofficial |
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| 14:54.57 | stew | BrittMan914: debian-unofficial.org that is |
| 14:55.02 | darkness_ | Stew: i'll get back to you. Need to reboot. |
| 14:55.04 | BrittMan914 | stew: okay. |
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| 14:56.09 | odla | panthera: when do you think bubnbros will be packaged...i want to play with tarzeau :) |
| 14:56.18 | j0nas | BrittMan914: thx |
| 14:56.49 | BrittMan914 | j0nas: i dont know if it does hardrive temps tho |
| 14:57.18 | j0nas | not realy sure nether but i get some temps :) |
| 14:57.37 | pumpkin0 | j0nas: use smartctl for HD-temp |
| 14:57.42 | BrittMan914 | j0nas: if your happy iam too |
| 14:57.50 | jm_ | or hddtemp |
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| 14:58.19 | j0nas | wold be nice white a php script |
| 14:58.24 | Alver | Heh, lots of sid borkage at the moment. GTK+ seems screwed for its menus and xchat python modules cause a freeze |
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| 14:58.28 | jm_ | php script for what? |
| 14:58.34 | j0nas | temp's |
| 14:58.45 | jm_ | what does PHP have to do with that? |
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| 14:59.19 | j0nas | something like http://j0nas.ath.cx but whit temps :) |
| 14:59.33 | jm_ | munin has hddtemp_smartctl plugin to draw graphs if that's what you want |
| 14:59.48 | panthera | odla: stop whining.. i promised tarzeau to upload the package till end of the year. |
| 15:00.04 | odla | panthera: tarzeau told me to whine ;) |
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| 15:00.10 | j0nas | jm_: sounds sweat |
| 15:00.12 | j0nas | :) |
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| 15:00.16 | wizzz | hello |
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| 15:00.34 | wizzz | is anyone using pop-before-smtp with solid-pop3d ? |
| 15:00.45 | andr | hi all, i'm trying to boot from hdb1 (after modifying accordingly the grub entries) but it's always mounted/booted hda1, there's something that i'm missing i suppose =) |
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| 15:02.25 | krikke | is /etc/rc.conf the right file on debian? |
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| 15:02.40 | krikke | because it's empty |
| 15:03.22 | ma3x | stew you still there? |
| 15:03.45 | andr | krikke: here is missing =) |
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| 15:04.10 | krikke | but is it the right file to add startup-deamons |
| 15:04.13 | petemc | no |
| 15:04.19 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 15:04.22 | ircdevil | wow - six years in jail for downloading a file (which presumably was not copywrighted) |
| 15:04.25 | ma3x | when I'm connected via windows to my cable internet, all is OK |
| 15:04.32 | ircdevil | kafka is spinning in his grave |
| 15:04.36 | BrittMan914 | ircdevil: huh? |
| 15:04.36 | andr | krikke: you should use update-rc or something like that |
| 15:04.40 | ma3x | but on debian via ethernet cable it makes captive redirect |
| 15:04.43 | ma3x | how can I escape this? |
| 15:04.50 | ircdevil | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4545692.stm |
| 15:05.14 | petemc | ircdevil: ? |
| 15:06.05 | jm_ | how about the stupid tax for LCD monitors > 19"? |
| 15:06.17 | BrittMan914 | how could a person decide what intent soembody else had when downloading bomb instructions |
| 15:06.17 | ircdevil | someone should sue al gore for inventing the internet making all these terrorist recipies availble |
| 15:06.34 | BrittMan914 | ircdevil: al gore? |
| 15:06.42 | ircdevil | yup |
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| 15:06.50 | BrittMan914 | ircdevil: you mean stanford in the 50s? |
| 15:06.58 | ShaolinTiger | no |
| 15:07.02 | ircdevil | !al gore |
| 15:07.03 | ShaolinTiger | al gore invented in the intrawebnet |
| 15:07.03 | dpkg | well, al gore is the inventor of the internet, or a fucking idiot |
| 15:07.04 | andr | jm_: eh =) in italy they are introducing a tax for pr0n video |
| 15:07.12 | darkness_ | stew: It's a dlink RTL 8139 |
| 15:07.22 | jm_ | andr: on what basis? |
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| 15:07.56 | BrittMan914 | hmm....is he still alive? he wasnt looking too well when he ran for president |
| 15:08.09 | andr | jm_: i should look for the details, i've read somewhere (newspaper IIRC), but the main reason is the government needs money |
| 15:08.24 | fireba11 | ircdevil: it's jsut plain stupid without proof he actually treid to do something .. but i don't think he didn't plan to either because they also found fake passworts ^^ |
| 15:08.49 | jm_ | andr: like someone once said "human intelligence is limited, human stupidity isn't" |
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| 15:09.21 | kspath | andr: seems so true |
| 15:09.34 | andr | jm_: the italian finance minister is a _real_ genius |
| 15:09.49 | int_21h | i cant see my spalashimage, please help me! |
| 15:09.50 | fireba11 | jm_ sounds like a variation of einsteins "there are to infinite things .. the univers and mans tupidity .. but i'm not that sure about the universe yet" |
| 15:09.58 | kspath | andr: but intelligence is relative to the relative view point and intelligence of the observer |
| 15:10.06 | int_21h | i cant see my splashimage, please help me! |
| 15:10.08 | fireba11 | hum .. sorry about all those typos |
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| 15:10.36 | fireba11 | tell int_21habout ask |
| 15:10.42 | jm_ | fireba11: yeah I somehow remember him saying it |
| 15:10.46 | andr | kspath: yeah |
| 15:10.47 | fireba11 | !tell int_21h about ask |
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| 15:11.39 | pearl | hi |
| 15:12.32 | int_21h | i install my splashimages from synaptic and i configure my menu.lst but when i test my splashscreen icant see anything |
| 15:12.48 | int_21h | im running debian sarge |
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| 15:13.04 | fireba11 | int_21h: as far as i know splash images require a special kernel module or something |
| 15:13.04 | BrittMan914 | int_21h: i'm intrested to learn how you do this too |
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| 15:13.31 | stew | darkness_: do you know which driver it is loading? there is more than one possibility for 8139 |
| 15:13.36 | ma3x | stew |
| 15:13.49 | BrittMan914 | darkness_: which 8139 is it |
| 15:13.50 | ma3x | even when I type that ip it redirects me to 'statistic' |
| 15:13.52 | BrittMan914 | C, D? |
| 15:13.56 | int_21h | fireball: can you guide me to fix my problem |
| 15:14.11 | stew | ma3x: then you need to contact your isp, there is absolutely nothing we can do for you |
| 15:14.19 | darkness_ | Stew: Sorry i don't. |
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| 15:14.37 | ma3x | stew but what sense does that make? usb works? and ethernet no? |
| 15:14.38 | int_21h | this is my kernel ...Linux int21h 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:14.41 | stew | darkness_: is the machine booted? |
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| 15:15.01 | survivor | hey. if i live in germany, then "locales" should not really return POSIX for all values...right? |
| 15:15.02 | darkness_ | stew: No i've got it on a duel boot. |
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| 15:15.35 | fireba11 | int_21h: as i said i don't know enough about it to really help you .. but i know it won't work withd ebian stock kernel |
| 15:15.45 | tob_ | is there an easy way to downgrade from testing to stable? |
| 15:15.53 | int_21h | waaaaaa :( |
| 15:16.21 | ircdevil | !testing->stable |
| 15:16.25 | nixxie | int_21h: are you using bootsplash? fbsplash? |
| 15:16.28 | xoz | !downgrade |
| 15:16.28 | dpkg | hmm... downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 15:16.29 | BrittMan914 | tob_: change your apt sources |
| 15:16.33 | stew | darkness_: boot it. "lsmod | grep 8139" to see if either is loaded. if not, try modprobe 8139too ; /etc/init.d/networking restart ; if that doesn't work, "modprobe -r 8139too" to remove it, then try modprobe 8139cp ; /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:16.43 | tob_ | ircdevil, ? |
| 15:16.44 | ircdevil | tob_: no |
| 15:16.54 | int_21h | no, it is splashimage (brub) |
| 15:16.58 | stew | BrittMan914: that is not good advice |
| 15:17.00 | int_21h | no, it is splashimage (grub) |
| 15:17.01 | tob_ | ircdevil, thxmh |
| 15:17.12 | BrittMan914 | stew: yeah i read that. |
| 15:17.29 | BrittMan914 | stew: thats how i went from woody->sarge tho. |
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| 15:18.16 | xoz | it's upgrade, not downgrade |
| 15:18.20 | nixxie | int_21h, http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/ |
| 15:18.28 | ircdevil | upgrade->good downgrade->bad |
| 15:18.32 | BrittMan914 | ah.... |
| 15:18.37 | stew | BrittMan914: i'd guess you probably didn't read the release notes and used apt-get instead of aptitude which would take quite a bit longer |
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| 15:19.07 | nixxie | int_21h, i recommend using gimp to make images if you want custom ones |
| 15:19.09 | tob_ | ircdevil, today apt-get upgrade screw up my gtk... |
| 15:19.13 | ma3x | stew everything that i browse with port 80, my isp redirects. why? |
| 15:19.16 | cr3 | is there a recommended way to clear the cache under /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 15:19.31 | BrittMan914 | stew: it was my first debian install on a Ppro machine...still have it too |
| 15:19.33 | xoz | apt-get clean |
| 15:19.48 | xoz | cr3: ^ |
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| 15:19.52 | cr3 | xoz: thanks :) |
| 15:19.54 | tob_ | ircdevil, every program using somehow gtk doesnt start up... |
| 15:20.14 | stew | ma3x: i don't know, but it is not a debian issue, its an issue with the way your modem is working, or your isp. if it works with ethernet and not usb or vice versa it sounds like your modem |
| 15:20.17 | xoz | tob_: unstable? |
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| 15:20.25 | tob_ | xoz, testing |
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| 15:20.45 | ircdevil | tob_: testing is not _stable_ |
| 15:21.01 | BrittMan914 | tob_: how's testing going for you....is it good enough to use? |
| 15:21.10 | stew | tob_: what version does "dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0 | tail -1" report? |
| 15:21.13 | tob_ | ircdevil, now you got why i want to downgrade ;-) |
| 15:21.15 | xoz | tob_: try running in xterm and watch out for the messages. |
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| 15:21.26 | ircdevil | tob_: if you want to run testing or even sid, then you need to know whats going on. if you have problems, ask here. /m dpkg sicco |
| 15:21.57 | int_21h | nixxie: i already seen this howto site. but its no used |
| 15:22.11 | nixxie | int_21h, worked for me. =/ |
| 15:22.15 | fireba11 | tob_ if you didn't do a lot of manual changes to your system it's probably faster to reinstall with stable |
| 15:22.23 | tob_ | xoz, i did, all aps complain about gtk... |
| 15:22.30 | int_21h | what destro are you using |
| 15:22.49 | int_21h | nixxie: what distro are u using? |
| 15:22.59 | ircdevil | tob_: did you check the bts? (/m dpkg bts) |
| 15:23.00 | nixxie | int_21h, guess. just once. |
| 15:23.01 | int_21h | im using debian sarge |
| 15:23.06 | nixxie | doh! |
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| 15:23.23 | tob_ | ircdevil, bts? |
| 15:23.31 | ircdevil | *sigh* |
| 15:23.36 | int_21h | debian? |
| 15:23.42 | xoz | tob_: possible that testing is in the middle of changing things... wait for some time and upgrade. you should stick with stable if you don't know how to live in an unstable world. |
| 15:24.00 | ircdevil | tob_: < ircdevil> tob_: did you check the bts? *(/m dpkg bts)* |
| 15:24.06 | stew | tob_: what verssion of gtk do you have installed? |
| 15:24.33 | ircdevil | stew: (we are trying to train him to ask sicco questions here :o) |
| 15:25.05 | stew | tob_: what does "apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0" report for Candidate: and Installed:? |
| 15:25.07 | int_21h | nixxie: debian? |
| 15:25.08 | nixxie | yep |
| 15:25.16 | nixxie | int_21h, try using a premade image first |
| 15:25.39 | int_21h | nixxie: premade? |
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| 15:26.16 | tob_ | stew, both 2.6.10-1 |
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| 15:27.23 | int_21h | nixxie: what do you mean premade image? |
| 15:27.37 | stew | tob_: paste the acutal output of a run of a gtk program to a pastebin |
| 15:27.47 | nixxie | int_21h, use a splash image (xpm) which you download |
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| 15:30.43 | debiankid | imback |
| 15:30.43 | debiankid | im back |
| 15:30.58 | Ungy | debiankid, umm ok |
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| 15:31.09 | debiankid | well as i was saying |
| 15:31.37 | debiankid | i have debian sarge installed on my workstation but i am having trouble running java applications |
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| 15:32.10 | debiankid | by the way is there exist a way to run for example ... httport program on unix boxs? |
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| 15:32.15 | Ungy | debian kid how about you /msg dpkg java |
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| 15:32.25 | debiankid | ok |
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| 15:33.07 | ma3x | hello, i have cable modem. when i use it under windows with usb it works fine. as soon as i plug it via ethernet to my debian box, it redirects all traffic to port 80 to the isp's site. What can I do about this? And why is everything working while i use the usb, and port 80 redirects happen during the use of ethernet? |
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| 15:33.39 | Ungy | ma3x very strange indeeed |
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| 15:33.43 | tob_ | stew, they are not pure gtk program, but they seem to depend somehow: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/N5Ehly96.html . programs like gaim, which ist gtk too (IRC) do fine... |
| 15:33.43 | ceedeegee | I have the intel ich7 sata controller.. debian installer says it cannot find any hard drives.. and asks me to select a driver.. which one am I looking for? |
| 15:33.49 | Trev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.35 | ma3x | Ungy yeah. the isp said its forbidden to join another computer to the network. But the thing is I am trying to connect my laptop via ethernet as the only computer. so Its not working |
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| 15:35.11 | Ungy | so you have two computers connected to the modem? |
| 15:35.12 | petemc | what a shit isp |
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| 15:35.23 | int_21h | nixxie: yah!, thats the one i used, the out when when i reboot my box is a blinking cursor and black bkground |
| 15:35.52 | int_21h | nixxie: i also tried the other xpm images but the same output |
| 15:36.03 | ma3x | Ungy only one! |
| 15:36.11 | debiankid | Ungy do you know how to run windosw applications on debian boxes? |
| 15:36.33 | kspath | ma3x: are you using a DHCP assigned IP from them? |
| 15:36.33 | ma3x | Ungy i.e. I can connect via USB perfectly, but when I connect via ethernet cable its redirecting the port 80 traffic. WHY? |
| 15:36.41 | stew | tob_: what version of python2.4-gtk do you have installed? |
| 15:36.45 | ma3x | I mean how the hell does it know if I use usb or ethernet |
| 15:36.45 | Ungy | ma3x and what happens if you connect the windows computer via Ethernet card? |
| 15:36.57 | ma3x | kspath yes it goes with dhcp. |
| 15:37.20 | ma3x | Ungy well the cable is probably for modem -> computer. It doesnt work computer to computer |
| 15:37.22 | int_21h | nixxie: what distro are you using |
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| 15:37.26 | learnfromscratch | i had never used mysql.. just installed phpmyadmin.. so would like to log in to that webinterface.. how do i create a user to log in to that web interface.. i use the command line with " mysql --user=root mysql " ... i got the error .."ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" |
| 15:37.41 | nixxie | int_21h: debian sarge, testing and unstable |
| 15:37.48 | debiankid | learnfromscratch did you started the service? |
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| 15:37.52 | SlammerXP | learnfromscratch: /part #debian; /join #mysql |
| 15:38.01 | ohad | does anyone know where the hosts file is on a mac osx (i know this is #debian)? |
| 15:38.05 | debiankid | SlammerXP lol |
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| 15:38.29 | kspath | ma3x: Ungy is asking if you connect the windows machine to the cable modem via eth does it work? |
| 15:38.30 | int_21h | im using stable |
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| 15:38.41 | int_21h | nixxie: im using stable |
| 15:38.48 | cbx33 | hi all, just been in the #knoppix channel...I'm having trouble removing kdebluetooth package |
| 15:38.55 | ma3x | kspath Ungy yes it works, but it blocks all web requests |
| 15:39.02 | stew | cbx33: are you running debian or knoppix? |
| 15:39.06 | cbx33 | knoppix |
| 15:39.07 | ma3x | i.e. everything works, just when I browse the web, it redirects me to some stats page |
| 15:39.10 | int_21h | nixxie: how about your kernel? |
| 15:39.12 | stew | cbx33: then you are in the wrong channel |
| 15:39.18 | cbx33 | well they said to ask here |
| 15:39.21 | debiankid | by the way what is the tool to remove packcages at recursive mode? |
| 15:39.24 | cbx33 | I've used apt-get remove |
| 15:39.39 | pumpkin0 | cbx33: what does it say ? |
| 15:39.43 | stew | cbx33: they shouldn't have. if apt-get remove doesn't work you have a knoppix specific problem, ask #knoppix or use a mailing list |
| 15:39.46 | kspath | ma3x: remote cacheing/service level filters |
| 15:39.47 | int_21h | nixxie: this is my kelner, Linux int21h 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:39.51 | debiankid | cbx33 apt-get reomve does not remove all the packets at all |
| 15:40.02 | cbx33 | subprocess post-removal script returtned error exit status 2 |
| 15:40.03 | cheal | debiankid: what does recursive mode mean? |
| 15:40.06 | debiankid | you have to use a recursive mode |
| 15:40.14 | nixxie | int_21h, grub images has nothing to do with your kenrel. |
| 15:40.21 | stew | learnfromscratch: do you have the mysql server started? what happens when you run /etc/init.d/mysql restart? |
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| 15:40.23 | debiankid | remove -R or something like that |
| 15:40.32 | tob_ | stew, 2.6.3-2 |
| 15:40.35 | ma3x | kspath but how they know if I'm connected via usb or ethernet? |
| 15:40.35 | stew | debiankid: what are you talking about? |
| 15:40.48 | int_21h | ah ok! |
| 15:40.49 | bobw | i am sitting at an install screen for etch, my keyboard is usb , how do i get it to work with my debian installer |
| 15:40.53 | kspath | ma3x: when you are going thru the usb it must be adding some info or using a different IP or a bridge |
| 15:40.53 | pumpkin0 | cbx33: post-removal skript: the removing partwas fine, the cleanup not. |
| 15:40.55 | cheal | debiankid: to do what? |
| 15:40.59 | debiankid | stew im talking about removing packcages |
| 15:41.00 | ma3x | kspath and why does that happen via ethernet at all? its supposed to work normally without limitations |
| 15:41.05 | cbx33 | pumpkin0, so |
| 15:41.13 | cbx33 | any idea what to do :p |
| 15:41.20 | stew | debiankid: dpkg doesn't ahve a recursive mode. and apt-get remove DOES remove packages |
| 15:41.21 | cbx33 | it makes the apt-get install quanta command that I want to do fail |
| 15:41.27 | kspath | ma3x: there are several ways they could "know" if they designed their set up ahead of time |
| 15:41.37 | learnfromscratch | stew: i dont have /etc/init.d/mysql file .. |
| 15:41.55 | pumpkin0 | cbx33: tell knoppix to get his pachaging-system fixed. Why did you install knoppix anyway ? It's a live-CD... |
| 15:41.55 | stew | learnfromscratch: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 15:41.57 | debiankid | stew exactly |
| 15:41.59 | ma3x | kspath what means that? |
| 15:42.07 | cbx33 | pumpkin0, I'm remastering the knoppix cd |
| 15:42.08 | cheal | cbx33: please. you've been told to ask the appropriate channel |
| 15:42.15 | cbx33 | creating a live web development studio |
| 15:42.18 | kspath | ma3x: if you "registered" with their software using the USB there is a chance they installed a replacement TCP stack or other mod |
| 15:42.26 | int_21h | nixxie: did you encounter splashimage like mine |
| 15:42.33 | cbx33 | cheal, I apologise, didn't meanto ruffle any feathers |
| 15:42.35 | visik7 | where can I put pre and post commands to apt-get update ???? |
| 15:42.38 | debiankid | stew last week somebudy write here a way to uninstall a packcage at recursive mode --remove all |
| 15:42.39 | eric_ | I have the latest Debian stable installed and would like to add a second video card in order to have two monitors. However, I am having difficulty finding a 'Howto' to do so. Can anyone point me to one? Thanks! |
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| 15:43.05 | BrittMan914 | eric_: i dont remember it being too hard |
| 15:43.11 | pumpkin0 | eric_: 2 gfx-cards or 1 gfx-card with 2 heads ? |
| 15:43.15 | debiankid | stew dont ask me how cose i dont remembr what was the command :) |
| 15:43.17 | ma3x | kspath I think they did install something, yes. So does that mean I can't have it working via ethernet? |
| 15:43.18 | fireba11 | eric_: why don't you jsut sue a video card with two outputs ? |
| 15:43.19 | int_21h | nixxie: only a blinking cursor w/ black bkground? |
| 15:43.25 | eric_ | 2 separate cards |
| 15:43.31 | kspath | ma3x: that means a lot of stuff I am not going to get into there are several possibilities and I am not their tech support |
| 15:43.35 | nixxie | int_21h, it works flawlessly for me. sorry. |
| 15:43.45 | debiankid | stew i did that only once cose i was having trouble with my pdc -server |
| 15:44.00 | kspath | ma3x: make them fix it tell them you want to use the ehternet connection instead of USB now and MAKE THEM HELP you |
| 15:44.04 | pumpkin0 | eric_: both from the same vendor ? |
| 15:44.15 | kspath | ma3x: once it is switched to ethernet it will likely work |
| 15:44.19 | eric_ | I THINK so. Nvidia |
| 15:44.39 | int_21h | nixxie: when did you install you splashimage after installing your OS? |
| 15:44.45 | ceedeegee | I have the intel ich7 sata controller.. debian installer says it cannot find any hard drives.. and asks me to select a driver.. which one am I looking for? |
| 15:44.55 | pumpkin0 | eric_: OK. xorg oder xfree86 ? |
| 15:44.58 | nixxie | int_21h, look, it works for me, im sorry but i cannot help you right now. |
| 15:45.05 | eric_ | xfree86 |
| 15:45.16 | BrittMan914 | ceedeegee: yikes! if its raid, its gonna be kinda diffucult |
| 15:45.28 | int_21h | nixxie: ok, tnx buy the way |
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| 15:45.33 | ceedeegee | BrittMan914: Im not going to use the raid functionality |
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| 15:45.35 | int_21h | nixxie: ok, tnx by the way |
| 15:45.46 | stew | ceedeegee: are you using the 2.4 kernel or the 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:45.59 | ceedeegee | ceedeegee: I asked in here before I bought it.. and they assured me it should work |
| 15:46.02 | ceedeegee | stew: 2.6 |
| 15:46.06 | ceedeegee | ahh |
| 15:46.11 | kspath | ma3x: there is another issue in that some companies track your MAC address so sometimes you have to wait for a timeout and then it will lease you a knew IP for your new MAC address |
| 15:46.23 | ceedeegee | talking to my self is very soothing ;) |
| 15:46.26 | kspath | new knew gnu ugh |
| 15:46.32 | pumpkin0 | eric_: i sugesst this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 15:46.46 | liran | how do i add a static route for a second ethernet card i got |
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| 15:47.22 | eric_ | tnks - I'll give 'er a go. |
| 15:47.28 | darkness_ | Stew: No dice. lsmode |grep 8139 == a file called 8139Too. |
| 15:47.43 | stew | liran: edit /etc/network/interfaces and add the route command in an up line for that card, something like "up route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 eth1" |
| 15:47.43 | darkness_ | But modprobe 8139 or 8139cp didn't work. |
| 15:48.00 | stew | darkness_: do you use dhcp or static ? |
| 15:48.10 | ceedeegee | stew: any ideas? |
| 15:48.30 | darkness_ | stew: dhcp |
| 15:49.08 | stew | ceedeegee: maybe try alt-f2 and loading the driver for your ide by hand |
| 15:49.15 | stew | darkness_: did you try getting a lease by hand? |
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| 15:49.24 | darkness_ | stew: Is there anyway to slow down the bootup screen so i can look for errors? |
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| 15:49.38 | stew | darkness_: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 15:49.44 | debiankid | heheheh in a few minutes a m migrating directly to debian |
| 15:49.44 | pumpkin0 | darkness_: try the pause-button. |
| 15:49.59 | liran | stew, ok ill check that |
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| 15:50.17 | BrittMan914 | does anybody else have a problem accessing the web setup intefrace for the Linksys WRT54GX |
| 15:50.34 | darkness_ | stew: I didn't understand that last question? |
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| 15:50.39 | BrittMan914 | it only seems to work with Window$ XP SP2 |
| 15:50.39 | ceedeegee | stew: im trying to figure out which driver i should be using? |
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| 15:51.06 | pumpkin0 | BrittMan914: using opera here, everything fine |
| 15:51.51 | BrittMan914 | im using firefox and it doesnt work for me |
| 15:52.08 | darkness_ | stew: I need to go right now. Mabe looking at the logs will be helpful. |
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| 15:52.26 | BrittMan914 | stew: dmesg will tell you whats going on.... |
| 15:52.32 | BrittMan914 | pipe it through less |
| 15:52.41 | BrittMan914 | dmesg|less |
| 15:52.41 | ma3x | whats the opposite of crossover cable/ |
| 15:52.50 | BrittMan914 | ma3x: straight-through cable |
| 15:52.53 | stew | darkness_: modprobe -r 8139too ; modprobe 8139too ; dmesg ; that should tell you |
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| 15:53.46 | BrittMan914 | ma3x: 568B is usually the straight and 568A is the cross |
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| 15:54.05 | ma3x | thqanks |
| 15:54.08 | stew | BrittMan914: no, cross is when you ahve one on one side and one on the other, and straight is when you have the same on both sides |
| 15:54.11 | ceedeegee | ah nevermind.. found the driver |
| 15:54.12 | BrittMan914 | actually its 568B-568B on the ends for straight and 568A-568B for x |
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| 15:54.34 | ceedeegee | however.. when using software-raid... what should I keep outside of the raid ? / and /boot ? |
| 15:54.37 | BrittMan914 | stew: i corrected myself, im a slow typer |
| 15:54.41 | BrittMan914 | sometimes |
| 15:54.59 | zvn | has someone had strange invalidfileaccess in file ghostscript errors? |
| 15:55.39 | zvn | it seems gs can't access the following > false Unicode Decoding Unicode Unicode --nostringval-- /usr/share/ghostscript/8.14/Resource/Decoding/Unicode r |
| 15:55.43 | pumpkin0 | ceedeegee: a copy of all md-tools and /sbin |
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| 15:55.59 | cheal | BrittMan914: what kind of doesn't work? |
| 15:56.11 | zvn | yes the permissions seem OK > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 55760 Sep 14 2004 /usr/share/ghostscript/8.14/Resource/Decoding/Unicode |
| 15:56.18 | BrittMan914 | ceedeegee: are you the one with the 8139 driver issue? |
| 15:56.21 | BrittMan914 | cheal: ??? |
| 15:56.24 | kspath | cross over is for uplinking old hubs or one pc directly to another so |
| 15:56.41 | pumpkin0 | BrittMan914: what kind of error do you get in firefox ? |
| 15:56.57 | cheal | BrittMan914: "it doesn't work" is about the most useless thing to mention on a support channel |
| 15:57.02 | BrittMan914 | oh...it pulls up but the fields are messed up and its unusable |
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| 15:57.21 | pumpkin0 | BrittMan914: did you try firefox 1.5 ? |
| 15:57.23 | cheal | BrittMan914: do you have a screenshot? |
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| 15:57.29 | BrittMan914 | pumpkin0: of course.... |
| 15:57.36 | BrittMan914 | cheal: i could get one. h/o |
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| 15:58.15 | kspath | does it want java support or other support you have not setup or turned off? |
| 15:58.19 | goron | I can print in color from the Debian machine, but a Windows machine can only print in grey-tone. Does this mean I need another driver for the Windows machine? |
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| 15:58.56 | pumpkin0 | kspath: these routers only need javascript and HTML. I have one too. |
| 15:59.57 | kspath | could what you be seeing be a cached version? |
| 16:00.09 | BrittMan914 | cheal: okay, my debian machine doesnt have X forwarding working anymore, is a OS X shot okay? |
| 16:00.38 | cheal | BrittMan914: uh, what do you mean, the problem also happens on OS X? |
| 16:01.03 | BrittMan914 | cheal: yes. i even tried a SP1 windows install and it *still* doesnt work |
| 16:01.14 | stew | BrittMan914: so this is in no way related to debian |
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| 16:01.38 | cheal | BrittMan914: well sorry I missed that earlier but you seem to be asking the wrong channel |
| 16:01.58 | BrittMan914 | stew: i was just curious if this is just a problem other than me.. |
| 16:02.19 | kspath | BrittMan914: have you tried power cycling your router and trying again? |
| 16:02.36 | kspath | BrittMan914: did you update the firmware recently? |
| 16:02.52 | BrittMan914 | kspath: yep. i tried everything i knew to do. |
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| 16:03.21 | kspath | BrittMan914: did you update the firmware recently? if it does not complete correctly can be |
| 16:03.24 | kspath | Very icky result |
| 16:03.25 | BrittMan914 | kspath: i can access my WRT54G just fine..the SRX model just plain sucks as far as i can tell...way too finicky |
| 16:03.48 | BrittMan914 | kspath: i know. i've destroyed an old BEFSR41W that way. |
| 16:04.00 | visik7 | where can I put pre and post commands to apt-get update ???? |
| 16:04.21 | BrittMan914 | visik7: in the shell, you can make a little script..... |
| 16:04.26 | visik7 | :/ |
| 16:04.33 | debiankid | hey bud |
| 16:04.41 | BrittMan914 | visik7: it's easy...its like :do, |
| 16:04.45 | visik7 | I hope there is something like DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs |
| 16:04.49 | debiankid | how can i c all the partitions o n my hardrive? |
| 16:04.59 | BrittMan914 | visik7: what do you want to do specifically |
| 16:05.00 | debiankid | df -h only showme the active partitions |
| 16:05.05 | BrittMan914 | debiankid: fdisk |
| 16:05.06 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.14 | BrittMan914 | or that |
| 16:05.16 | debiankid | cat ? |
| 16:05.21 | visik7 | BrittMan914: run some scripts to check the diff of an aupdate |
| 16:05.22 | debiankid | ok let me add that |
| 16:05.23 | cheal | visik7: note that dpkg isn't APT |
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| 16:05.33 | ircdevil | !cat |
| 16:05.33 | dpkg | cat is probably a *nix command, see also more, less, or even better : the heavenly sweet 'dog'. a quadruped animal known for feeling superior and saying 'meow'. |
| 16:05.34 | learnfromscratch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.36 | visik7 | cheal: I know :( |
| 16:05.57 | ircdevil | dog sas meow? |
| 16:06.05 | ircdevil | that factoid is fubar |
| 16:06.09 | BrittMan914 | learnfromscratch: its no password by default |
| 16:06.11 | cheal | learnfromscratch: maybe you should check mysql doc? |
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| 16:06.36 | BrittMan914 | learnfromscratch: i've had to reinstall everything phpmyadmin-related like 100 times. |
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| 16:07.40 | BrittMan914 | ircdevil: i think that last part is again referring to cat. |
| 16:07.41 | debiankid | ahh b6y the way im having trouble with my soundcard |
| 16:07.47 | cheal | visik7: what kind of diff do you want? |
| 16:07.51 | debiankid | its intell onboard |
| 16:07.54 | BrittMan914 | debiankid: alsaconf |
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| 16:08.05 | BrittMan914 | debiankid: how old? |
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| 16:08.08 | debiankid | how can i reinstall the soundcard driver |
| 16:09.04 | ircdevil | BrittMan914: you never know in these days of genetic engineering |
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| 16:09.04 | debiankid | aopen mx3s |
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| 16:09.56 | visik7 | cheal: I want to know what has been updated olso packages that I've not installed, I've already build a script for diff all *Packages in /var/lib/apt/lists now I want to automate the process |
| 16:10.02 | darkness_ | stew: modprobe -r 8139too says busy. |
| 16:10.19 | visik7 | darkness_: ifconfig down the interface |
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| 16:10.41 | stew | darkness_: what happens when you run "dhclient eth0" ? |
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| 16:10.55 | cheal | visik7: for each file? |
| 16:11.05 | pumpkin0 | debiankid: oss or alsa ? and which soundcard ? |
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| 16:11.53 | PassengeR | oi |
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| 16:12.02 | visik7 | cheal: uh ? only print out new packages |
| 16:12.25 | visik7 | or update |
| 16:12.36 | cheal | visik7: you want to see a list of new packages available brought by an apt-get update? |
| 16:12.36 | darkness_ | Tks for your help stew. tbh i've been at work since 4am so i better look when i have more time/ |
| 16:12.44 | stew | visik7: so you are looking for a way to get apt-get to run your script? |
| 16:12.57 | themp | anyone running on ultrasparc platform i was interested in a total sparc64 bit userland so i can use the full bus |
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| 16:13.03 | ramy | anybody know how to play microsoft wmv files under debian .. very few of them canbe played by totem ,but many don't ! |
| 16:13.12 | cheal | !tell ramy about wmv |
| 16:13.15 | jbroome | ramy: try VLC |
| 16:13.22 | PassengeR | Vc saberia me falar como eu faço pra instalar um impressora no meu debian |
| 16:13.26 | AciD | ramy > mplayer ? |
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| 16:13.27 | jbroome | ramy: the new WMV codec won't work, but older ones do |
| 16:13.30 | cheal | !br |
| 16:13.30 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:13.45 | PassengeR | esta impressora é uma impressora de rede |
| 16:14.06 | BrittMan914 | ?? |
| 16:14.06 | PassengeR | e esta ligada a uma maquina com windows |
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| 16:14.24 | stew | PassengeR: /join #debian-br |
| 16:14.46 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.47 | visik7 | stew: to be more accurate a way to get apt-get update to run my script |
| 16:15.24 | stew | visik7: if there was a way, it should be documented in apt.conf, thought there might not be, which means maybe you should add it |
| 16:15.27 | PassengeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.52 | Gnea | !br |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:16.07 | visik7 | stew: ok so no way ? |
| 16:16.15 | visik7 | (just to get confirm) |
| 16:16.26 | pumpkin0 | "/join kkk" not " /join kkk". no space |
| 16:16.28 | stew | visik7: i don't know, check apt.conf |
| 16:16.36 | visik7 | stew: seems not |
| 16:16.39 | PassengeR | ok |
| 16:16.55 | visik7 | stew: even the source of apt-get update don't call any file |
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| 16:17.09 | Eclipser | where can I find out what resolution my X is currently running at? :) |
| 16:17.33 | cheal | Eclipser: xdpyinfo |
| 16:17.53 | Eclipser | yay, thanks |
| 16:17.55 | stew | visik7: then either you need to write a script that calls apt-get update then yours, or you need to add a patch for a PostUpdate in apt.conf |
| 16:18.02 | djp | does anyone know if there is any free software that allows you to create xvid files of dvds? |
| 16:18.06 | djp | or any other way to have a dvd permanently on my hard drive... |
| 16:18.26 | djp | i'm running debian 3.1 sarge stable |
| 16:18.28 | bobw | how can i make my vsftpd log more verbose? |
| 16:18.28 | jeza | dunk? |
| 16:18.35 | pumpkin0 | djp: http://axljab.homelinux.org/Mencoder_DVD_to_OGM |
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| 16:18.55 | kevin | hello everybody |
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| 16:19.10 | djp | pumpkin0, thanks, will take a look... |
| 16:19.13 | d1223m | jamie? |
| 16:19.14 | stew | djp: /msg dpkg marillat ; marillat has such software, such as a dvdrip package |
| 16:19.29 | jeza | ahh recognise ure name from sw battle front |
| 16:19.36 | visik7 | stew: :( I'm not a C++ coder (I'm not a coder at all)) so maybe I can only do a script |
| 16:19.36 | kevin | does anyone know how to install a debian server via console redirection? |
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| 16:20.05 | stew | kevin: pass the kernel something like "CONSOLE=/dev/ttyS0" |
| 16:20.21 | d1223m | jeza: you should have a private convo going with me somewhere |
| 16:20.25 | cheal | djp: yes. vobcopy and dvdbackup are some of them |
| 16:20.32 | kevin | thx stew |
| 16:21.23 | nena21 | kevin |
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| 16:21.55 | kevin | yes nena21? |
| 16:21.58 | abcdefg | hello, I can't change my resolution |
| 16:22.02 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 16:22.16 | stew | !drxx abcdefg |
| 16:22.16 | dpkg | abcdefg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:22.21 | abcdefg | I have tryed with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:22.25 | nena21 | kevin no entender |
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| 16:22.53 | stew | abcdefg: which server are you using? what version of debian? |
| 16:22.59 | abcdefg | It was a better resolution on a previous install |
| 16:23.02 | abcdefg | 3.1 sarge |
| 16:23.17 | abcdefg | I am using xserver-xfree86 at the moment |
| 16:23.23 | abcdefg | usually use xorg |
| 16:23.30 | stew | abcdefg: have you edited XF86Config-4 by hand or used xf86config? |
| 16:23.30 | abcdefg | but it won't change |
| 16:23.38 | stew | abcdefg: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 16:23.40 | abcdefg | like i set it higher but it won't change higher |
| 16:23.45 | abcdefg | no I haven't |
| 16:24.13 | kevin | stew? is it possible to boot into the console with a normal debian netinstall cd? |
| 16:24.14 | stew | abcdefg: then check the log to see why the higher resolutions are being thrown away, usually its becuase you didn't specify the refresh rates for your monitor correctly |
| 16:24.41 | stew | kevin: wait, what do you mean? skip the install and just get a console, or redirect the console to somewhere else, like a serial cable? |
| 16:24.48 | pumpkin0 | howto lock the volume on a oss-soundcard ? |
| 16:25.14 | stew | pumpkin0: by disallowing access to /dev/mixer |
| 16:25.18 | blondie | pumpkin pie |
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| 16:26.03 | kevin | well my pc is connected with the serial port of the server, I can follow the bootup of the bios and I can type in the kind of kernel I want to boot |
| 16:26.04 | pumpkin0 | stew: and are there any scripts can i use to setup the volume at startup ? |
| 16:26.15 | d1223m | jeza: im not getting any of it |
| 16:26.21 | kevin | but i would like to follow the installation also so i can install debian without a screen connected to the server |
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| 16:26.28 | stew | pumpkin0: aumix can be run from a script to set the volume |
| 16:26.30 | debiankid | pumpkin0 my soundcard is onboard |
| 16:26.46 | pumpkin0 | stew: thanks. |
| 16:27.40 | pumpkin0 | debiankid: ? |
| 16:28.08 | valdyn | pumpkin0: apt-cache show oss-preserve |
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| 16:28.18 | debiankid | ahh b6y the way im having trouble with my soundcard |
| 16:28.33 | debiankid | my modelboard is aopen mx3s |
| 16:28.47 | debiankid | and the soundcard is inside the board |
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| 16:28.54 | debiankid | no external soundcard |
| 16:28.57 | stew | debiankid: ask a specific question, on one line |
| 16:29.16 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: OK, will try that after aumix. |
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| 16:30.06 | kevin | stew: so it's an installation via a serial cable i wan't |
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| 16:31.56 | stew | kevin: then i believe the CONSOLE= thing i told you before is what you are looking for, you can check kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel docs to double check me |
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| 16:32.38 | kevin | stew: ok thx |
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| 16:34.28 | debiankid | ok |
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| 16:34.47 | Crqyon | qui suce pour un twix ? |
| 16:34.50 | debiankid | im having trouyble with my soundcard , apparently is well configurated but (no sound) im using a computed modelboard AOPEN MX3s the soundcard are inside the board what can i do? |
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| 16:35.23 | Crqyon | Je mange des slips :) |
| 16:35.29 | cat | debiankid: did you do adduser $User sound ? |
| 16:35.30 | pumpkin0 | !fr |
| 16:35.30 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:35.31 | valdyn | debiankid: you could run lspci to figure which soundcard you have |
| 16:35.45 | debiankid | !es |
| 16:35.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:36.15 | Crqyon | C'est con de le marqué en anglais si c'est adressé aux FR |
| 16:36.25 | Crqyon | perso moi je suis juste la pour flooder |
| 16:36.31 | cat | Crqyon: #debian-fr |
| 16:36.36 | cat | !tell Crqyon about fr |
| 16:37.08 | Crqyon | qui suce pour un twix ? |
| 16:37.14 | Ronin | !fr |
| 16:37.14 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:37.16 | trym | can I only have one partition on a software raid ? |
| 16:37.21 | pumpkin0 | debiankit: you have a AD1885 chip. It is supported by all modern kernels and alsa. try /msg dpkg alsa one liner |
| 16:37.23 | valdyn | trym: no |
| 16:37.33 | AciD | he's here just for flood |
| 16:37.39 | AciD | kickban ? |
| 16:37.44 | Crqyon | je m'ennuie |
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| 16:37.57 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 16:37.57 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 16:38.04 | valdyn | !alsa one liner |
| 16:38.12 | valdyn | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:38.12 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 16:38.13 | stew | !ops please +q Crqyon who will only speak in fr |
| 16:38.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please +q Crqyon who will only speak in fr |
| 16:38.17 | nena21 | algun español |
| 16:38.18 | Estes2 | humm, i am trying to know what is listening on port 37 (shown by a netstat -an) so i lsof -i | grep 37 and i get nothing.... any idea of what's going on ? |
| 16:38.25 | Ronin | heh they figure out bashfr but not debian? |
| 16:38.27 | trym | valdyn: Why would the debian setup then say that the other space is unusable ? |
| 16:38.29 | Crqyon | je mange des petits pots a la creme |
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| 16:38.37 | nena21 | olq |
| 16:38.43 | helix | nena21: #debian-es |
| 16:38.51 | cmdKeen | is there some GUI app for creating .deb packages ? |
| 16:38.53 | stew | debiankid: have you made sure the volume is up and unmuted? does it work for root? |
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| 16:39.15 | valdyn | trym: because you havent created a partition on that space? |
| 16:39.20 | nena21 | helix |
| 16:39.27 | helix | ? |
| 16:39.35 | nena21 | algun español |
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| 16:39.43 | Ronin | !es |
| 16:39.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:39.52 | valdyn | trym: im not familiar with debian-installer's raid setup tool |
| 16:40.02 | nena21 | eoooooooooooooooooo |
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| 16:40.14 | trym | valdyn: UNusable.. not unused? |
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| 16:40.52 | nena21 | helix |
| 16:41.14 | helix | nena21: ya te lo digo, #debian-es |
| 16:41.43 | nena21 | vale |
| 16:42.26 | valdyn | trym: iirc you need to use lvm on software raid volumes to have multiple partitions, but i cant help you as I am unfamiliar with debian-installer's raid setup tool |
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| 16:43.17 | Tenkawa_ | uggh |
| 16:43.36 | Tenkawa_ | my memoyr is going.. which dpkg topic covers cloning the dpkg list? |
| 16:43.41 | pumpkin0 | trym: software raid will create /dev/mdX devices. These can be used like normal HDs. If you like too, you can create partitions on it. But the installer will not permit you to do it. |
| 16:43.48 | stew | Tenkawa_: /msg dpkg selections |
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| 16:43.58 | Tenkawa_ | bah.. I tried without the s |
| 16:43.59 | Tenkawa_ | haahaa |
| 16:44.01 | trym | pumpkin0: ah.. so I would have to do it outside the installer? |
| 16:44.13 | nena21 | helix te e escrito |
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| 16:44.21 | cat | omg |
| 16:44.26 | djp | cheal, dvdbackup? is that this, http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/dvdbackup? |
| 16:44.32 | pumpkin0 | trym: yes. install a normal debian on a small parition and do the setup for rais later. |
| 16:44.33 | valdyn | trym: you can do it after installing |
| 16:44.54 | trym | valdyn: but i want to have partitions on the md which should be mounted as /usr /var /home etc |
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| 16:45.24 | cheal | djp: yes |
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| 16:45.43 | valdyn | trym: you can, but migrating /usr off that partition is probably hard for someone who does not know what he's doing. migrating /home off is easy though |
| 16:45.46 | nena21 | helix ablas español |
| 16:45.58 | pumpkin0 | trym: no problem. just copy the stuff over and edit /etc/fstab |
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| 16:46.56 | trym | so I would have to install first? |
| 16:46.57 | valdyn | pumpkin0: there's alot of partitioning schemes where that will safely fuck up your system |
| 16:47.05 | djp | cheal, would you recommned this as a good way to go? it looks good to me |
| 16:47.12 | trym | i cant while the the installer is running ? |
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| 16:47.25 | trym | it might not let me create partitions... but it should be able to read it ? |
| 16:47.30 | pumpkin0 | trym: because the installer will not let you do these insane setups. |
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| 16:47.38 | trym | pumpkin0: how is it insane ? |
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| 16:47.52 | cheal | djp: I think I'd recommend vobcopy first |
| 16:48.10 | pumpkin0 | trym: softwareraid + paritions ... no. |
| 16:48.26 | trym | well.. in that case let me know |
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| 16:48.35 | trym | I was under the impression that partitions on software raid is no problem |
| 16:48.45 | RichiH | when i have an image of a complete disk, how can i mount a partition that is on that 'disk'? |
| 16:48.46 | trym | is it a better idea.. to create many mds ? |
| 16:48.56 | nena21 | fjbhjidesgf |
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| 16:49.07 | nena21 | trym |
| 16:49.07 | pumpkin0 | trym: yes. create 1 md per partition. |
| 16:49.14 | Smerdyakov | Is there any package that provides a serial_cs.ko module for PCMCIA? |
| 16:49.18 | debiankid | stew the debian x don allow me to log on as root |
| 16:49.47 | cat | debiankid: you Don't need to login as root, with you're X |
| 16:49.50 | cat | !lart debiankid |
| 16:49.54 | Ronin | Denn: nor should it allow you |
| 16:49.55 | pumpkin0 | debiankid: log in as user and fire up a root-shell |
| 16:49.57 | Ronin | oops debiankid even |
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| 16:50.02 | debiankid | exactly |
| 16:50.12 | djp | cheal, ok. any specific reason for going with vobcopy over dvdbackup? |
| 16:50.16 | Koolboy9999 | :P |
| 16:50.39 | Koolboy9999 | G2G Brb |
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| 16:51.22 | debiankid | when i start xmms and i try to play something he sayds that soundcard apparently is well congigurated check if other program is stopping the sound |
| 16:51.28 | valdyn | djp: if you have enough space, just dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.img |
| 16:51.42 | cheal | djp: I remember using vobcopy successfully |
| 16:51.53 | cat | debiankid: did you do adduser $USER sound ? |
| 16:51.55 | obsvuugj | anyone knows how to compile with Kdevelop C/C++ ? |
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| 16:51.58 | pumpkin0 | debiankid: try "sudo xmms" |
| 16:51.59 | valdyn | djp: note though that you cant move those images to vfat partitions ) |
| 16:52.07 | trym | pumpkin0: ok then that is what Ill do.. :) |
| 16:52.12 | cheal | obsvuugj: #debian-kde ? |
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| 16:52.18 | debiankid | ok |
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| 16:52.29 | debiankid | i ll try that for sure |
| 16:52.46 | valdyn | obsvuugj: i susped you click on the make or compile button ;) |
| 16:52.47 | Koolboy9999 | how do I hook up my surround sound to my dvd? |
| 16:52.52 | valdyn | s/susped/suspect/ |
| 16:52.55 | obsvuugj | cheal> Kdevelop is not only for KDE. I works on Gnome too .. |
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| 16:53.19 | cheal | obsvuugj: impressive |
| 16:53.49 | obsvuugj | valdyn> where is the make or compile buton ? |
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| 16:54.05 | djp | valdyn, i have ext3 partitions. i gather that command does not need vobcopy or dvdbackup? |
| 16:54.14 | cheal | Smerdyakov: 2.6 kernel images? |
| 16:54.19 | valdyn | djp: sure doesnt |
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| 16:54.28 | nena21 | cheal imagenes |
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| 16:54.51 | Smerdyakov | cheal, can you suggest a specific package for i386 or i686? |
| 16:54.58 | valdyn | djp: it just creates an image of your dvd |
| 16:55.14 | cheal | Smerdyakov: which kernel do you run? |
| 16:55.28 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: dd is included in some basic packages. it does not depend on ext3. |
| 16:55.33 | Smerdyakov | cheal, 2.6.9 |
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| 16:55.43 | valdyn | pumpkin0: where did I say that it depended on ext3? |
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| 16:55.58 | djp | valdyn, cheers. so do vobcopy and/or dvdbackup compress the copied dvd? |
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| 16:56.18 | valdyn | djp: no, they split it up into <= !GiB sized files |
| 16:56.25 | valdyn | 1GiB |
| 16:56.32 | pingouin | how can i read an *.rm file on line ? or grab it to my hd to read it ? |
| 16:56.37 | cheal | Smerdyakov: what are you doing with that kernel? kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 would provide a module for 2.6.8-2 |
| 16:56.58 | Smerdyakov | cheal, it was pre-installed by the vendor of my machine. |
| 16:57.01 | pumpkin0 | pingouin: rm ? real media ? try mplayer. |
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| 16:57.27 | pingouin | hmm ok |
| 16:57.32 | cheal | Smerdyakov: strange. it was debian that was preinstalled? |
| 16:57.34 | Smerdyakov | cheal, and I used the filename search on packages.debian.org and found no testing packages with serial_cs.ko in a pcmcia directory. :( |
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| 16:57.36 | pingouin | thank pumpkin0 gonna check that |
| 16:57.38 | Smerdyakov | cheal, yes. |
| 16:57.47 | djp | valdyn, so using the command you gave will do pretty much the same but just not split it int 1gb files. will i be able to playback the image created under totem movie player do you know? |
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| 16:58.04 | cheal | Smerdyakov: so you run testing? |
| 16:58.08 | valdyn | djp: no idea if totem can play images properly, mplayer can, xine can |
| 16:58.18 | Smerdyakov | cheal, yes. |
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| 16:58.29 | djp | valdyn, cheers for the advice |
| 16:58.41 | debiankid | hey i ahve another question |
| 16:59.08 | cheal | !tell Smerdyakov about find serial_cs.ko etch |
| 16:59.14 | valdyn | djp: totem can |
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| 16:59.26 | pumpkin0 | debiankid: remember: one line per question. |
| 16:59.33 | debiankid | what is this message *(netbios-ssn/tcp: bind Address already in use thats the log of my pdc-samba server running on debian sarge |
| 16:59.45 | Smerdyakov | cheal, no dice. None of those are in a pcmcia directory. |
| 16:59.59 | debiankid | what is this message media inetd [1311]*(netbios-ssn/tcp: bind Address already in use thats the log of my pdc-samba server running on debian sarge |
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| 17:00.21 | tarzeau | damn does amsn work for anyone? i can't login, it says "Internal Server Error" |
| 17:00.25 | debiankid | yes i did |
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| 17:00.29 | azaz_work | Trying to use m-a to build the nvidia kernel source, it says the build failed but there is nothing in the log that says it failed. Can anyone give me an insight as to what is going wrong? I can post the build log to #flood if you would like |
| 17:01.08 | debiankid | srry |
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| 17:01.24 | djp | valdyn, ok will give the command a go... do i just use the command as you gave? i gather i can call the .mig file whatever i like, correct? |
| 17:01.26 | tarzeau | does MSN work for anyone right now? |
| 17:01.33 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 17:01.55 | cheal | Smerdyakov: what makes you think it needs to be in such a directory? |
| 17:01.56 | valdyn | djp: sure |
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| 17:01.59 | cheal | tarzeau: apparently |
| 17:01.59 | stew | debiankid: you don't need to login as root to see if sound works as root, you can test from the command line after running su in a terminal, something like mpg321 or "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
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| 17:02.19 | Smerdyakov | cheal, well, support from the vendor told me to do that. |
| 17:02.22 | cheal | azaz_work: good idea, I'm there |
| 17:02.25 | Smerdyakov | cheal, does the directory not matter? |
| 17:02.26 | bizkit | i set umask 026, now when i touch a file i get it 640, however is there any way to specify the umask for new dirs created? they are still the default 755 |
| 17:02.55 | valdyn | djp: btw, mplayer movie.img will get aspect wrong i guess, mplayer -dvd-device file.img dvd:// will get things right |
| 17:03.01 | cheal | Smerdyakov: I don't see how it would matter if the module name matches |
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| 17:03.09 | Smerdyakov | cheal, OK, good! |
| 17:03.15 | nena21 | adios helix |
| 17:03.25 | helix | creepy |
| 17:03.40 | cheal | was that a bot? |
| 17:03.54 | helix | don't think so |
| 17:04.17 | _AleX_ | hi all. i've sucesfully played with PXE and a kernell and an initrd downloaded with tftp. Now i'm trying to download a root.img with tftp ... how to do that ? |
| 17:04.37 | azaz_work | cheal: any ideas? That doesn't seem to be a fail to me |
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| 17:05.23 | cheal | azaz_work: was that generated by m-a build nvidia? |
| 17:05.46 | azaz_work | m-a a-i nvidia, but thats essentialy the same yes? |
| 17:05.57 | pingouin | pumpkin0: is there a way to grab the file on my hard drive ? an mplayer -playlist http://blahblah.com/video/shitty.rm allow me to read it online....at least !! ;) |
| 17:06.15 | cheal | azaz_work: essentially, but I'd try decomposing the procedure if it fails |
| 17:06.33 | azaz_work | cheal: never mind apparently I messed up the install of the source somewhere along the line an apt-get remove fixed the problem |
| 17:06.43 | cheal | azaz_work: ok |
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| 17:09.49 | pumpkin0 | pingouin: try "wget http:/...." |
| 17:10.32 | jjazz | I am on my home lan, connected to work over a VPN. /etc/resolv.conf shows two nameservers: one from work and my home dns. The problem is that when I try to access a machine on my home network by name, I get 'unknown host'. I can get those local machines by ip, just not name. I presume this is because the work dns doesn't know about my home machines. How can I tell Debian to try the second nameserver if the first doesn't kn |
| 17:10.32 | jjazz | ow about a host? Thanks. |
| 17:10.45 | Smerdyakov | How can I debug an "invalid module format" error message from "modprob <module_name>"? |
| 17:10.49 | Smerdyakov | Er, modprobe. |
| 17:11.03 | pingouin | pumpkin0: already done...just grab a small file..useless.. |
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| 17:11.45 | pumpkin0 | pingouin: run "less file.rm" it shoudl give you a link to the real file |
| 17:11.53 | bbrazil | jjazz: set it up just to use a local nameserver, and use a forwaring directive for the work zone |
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| 17:12.17 | jjazz | bbrazil, that sounds like just the plan. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 17:12.42 | cheal | Smerdyakov: dmesg|tail |
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| 17:13.16 | comforteagle | how do I completely remove a package & its files? |
| 17:13.24 | bbrazil | comforteagle: dpkg -P package |
| 17:13.29 | krikke | how many mb does a fresh net-install, unstable-upgrade download from the internet? |
| 17:13.33 | cheal | comforteagle: apt-get remove foo |
| 17:13.48 | cat | comforteagle: apt-get --purge remove package |
| 17:13.53 | comforteagle | cheal, that doesn't remove file it installed though does it? |
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| 17:13.56 | cat | to remove the package and it's configuration files |
| 17:13.57 | pumpkin0 | krikke: basic-install only or with X and office ? |
| 17:13.57 | comforteagle | cat, thanks |
| 17:14.01 | cat | np |
| 17:14.02 | krikke | desktop install |
| 17:14.21 | pumpkin0 | krikke: +- 1.5 GB |
| 17:14.29 | krikke | 1.5GB from internet :|? |
| 17:14.29 | cheal | comforteagle: yes, that's usually the idea of uninstalling something |
| 17:14.43 | krikke | and only 400mb was used :P |
| 17:15.11 | pumpkin0 | krikke: desktop should include office, KDE and other work-stuff. That is big. |
| 17:15.15 | cheal | krikke: what do you mean by unstable-upgrade? |
| 17:15.24 | krikke | add unstable packages |
| 17:15.32 | krikke | and then apt-get upgrade |
| 17:15.51 | cheal | krikke: add them to what? |
| 17:16.02 | krikke | to sources.list |
| 17:16.12 | grochap | somebody know a good tool to analyze snort logs? |
| 17:16.22 | cat | grochap: cat or tail |
| 17:16.25 | cat | or nano |
| 17:16.26 | nixie | im using BASE with snort-mysql |
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| 17:16.43 | cheal | krikke: while sources.list contains what? |
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| 17:17.04 | krikke | ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 17:17.46 | cheal | krikke: that looks like it has already an unstable source |
| 17:17.46 | pauldoo | hello |
| 17:17.47 | cat | pauldoo: hello |
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| 17:17.47 | krikke | but |
| 17:17.47 | krikke | I install normal |
| 17:17.47 | krikke | then add unstable's |
| 17:17.47 | grochap | cat, ;D good, but I'm think a webtool, now I'm using vi, and the webmin snort module is bad... |
| 17:17.47 | krikke | upgrade |
| 17:17.50 | krikke | isn't that normal? |
| 17:17.54 | cheal | krikke: normal being what? |
| 17:18.04 | pauldoo | is there a way to run apt-get off both stable and testing whereby packages only come from testing if they don't exist in stable? |
| 17:18.11 | krikke | to create a unstable version of debian |
| 17:18.19 | cheal | pauldoo: yes |
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| 17:18.21 | djp | valdyn, ok copied the image successfully, but how do i playback the .img file? i tried opening it under totem, but i got the message that totem was unable to playback the file... |
| 17:18.23 | bbrazil | pauldoo: pinning should be able to do that |
| 17:18.24 | cheal | !tell pauldoo about sem |
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| 17:18.34 | krikke | how could I install unstable version in once then? |
| 17:18.45 | cheal | pauldoo: although, you probably want to be very careful with that |
| 17:18.51 | cat | grochap: try xlog |
| 17:18.57 | pauldoo | cheal: ok, looks interesting.. |
| 17:19.06 | djp | valdyn, says there is no plugin to play the movie... |
| 17:19.09 | grochap | cat, thank's man! ;) |
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| 17:19.21 | cat | krikke: you need to dist-upgrade from sarge=>to sid, |
| 17:19.25 | caphuso | pauldoo: and then the next random testing package with a dependancy on the testing libc6 will majorly fuck up your systema |
| 17:19.28 | krikke | ow |
| 17:19.30 | cat | but i won't suject you to try sid, |
| 17:19.32 | krikke | and how to do that |
| 17:19.39 | cat | !tell krikke about sarge to sid |
| 17:19.43 | pumpkin0 | djp: did you ask dpkg about marillat ? |
| 17:19.48 | moi | hey, i tried to install debian on a raid systeme here, but failed totally. the installation went through fine, everything installed correctly. when booting, grub hangs. have i understood something horribly wrong, or is this just the result of that stupid raid system? |
| 17:19.51 | Smerdyakov | I can't load a kernel module because it says it's for a slightly different version than what I'm running. This is for a custom kernel that came pre-installed which I know nothing about. Is there a chance that just changing the module to claim that it's for a different version would lead to everything working properly? |
| 17:19.52 | cat | !tell krikke about sid |
| 17:19.57 | caphuso | pauldoo: in short, you can't do that in a reliable way |
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| 17:20.16 | cat | Smerdyakov: what kernel do you have? |
| 17:20.16 | cheal | Smerdyakov: heh. what's so good about that custom kernel? |
| 17:20.19 | krikke | but |
| 17:20.27 | krikke | If I use normal debian |
| 17:20.28 | Smerdyakov | cheal, works on a 2-pound laptop. |
| 17:20.29 | moi | additional info: the thing is a megaraid hardware. two disks, a 70 gb. |
| 17:20.31 | prp | hello, what was the name of the tool that set's up NIC speed.... it slips my mind.. |
| 17:20.32 | pauldoo | £ |
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| 17:20.39 | krikke | and then just add unstable to my sources |
| 17:20.42 | bbrazil | prp: ethtool? mii-tool? |
| 17:20.49 | pumpkin0 | prp: mii_tool |
| 17:20.52 | krikke | and apt-get upgrade |
| 17:20.56 | krikke | then it's allright isn't ? |
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| 17:21.00 | Smerdyakov | cat, it's called 2.6.9.emp6. |
| 17:21.02 | djp | pumpkin0, no i haven't, must have missed that, thanks |
| 17:21.04 | maney | So is it true that Sarge's kernel (2.6, anyway) is just fsking broken for CD/DVD drives? (bug #282800) |
| 17:21.08 | cat | krikke: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:21.11 | prp | pumpkin0: thanx.. that's it |
| 17:21.12 | cat | but my question is why sid? |
| 17:21.17 | krikke | euhm |
| 17:21.21 | krikke | I need things from sid like |
| 17:21.30 | krikke | mplayer |
| 17:21.33 | krikke | mpg321 |
| 17:21.38 | krikke | alsa |
| 17:21.39 | Smerdyakov | I've received a driver from the vendor that is for "2.6.9.emp12". |
| 17:21.40 | cat | !tell krikke about mplayer |
| 17:21.41 | SerajewelKS | krikke: those are both in stable/testing |
| 17:21.47 | cat | mplayer sure it's on sarge |
| 17:21.50 | krikke | mmm |
| 17:21.51 | SerajewelKS | krikke: well, mplayer isn't, but it's not even in debian |
| 17:21.52 | cat | read what dpkg send ya |
| 17:21.55 | krikke | let me think |
| 17:21.55 | krikke | sec |
| 17:21.57 | pumpkin0 | krikke: ask dpkg about marillat. mplayer is a "problem". |
| 17:22.06 | krikke | ok |
| 17:22.08 | cat | it's better to compiled the mplayer |
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| 17:22.15 | krikke | alsa is in sarge? |
| 17:22.17 | cat | sid krikke is for developers, because sid always brakes |
| 17:22.24 | cat | so think twices and then come with a result, |
| 17:22.26 | krikke | ow :) |
| 17:22.28 | krikke | so |
| 17:22.30 | krikke | just install normal debian |
| 17:22.36 | cat | yeah sarge will be fine |
| 17:22.38 | krikke | and leave the sources.list file the way it is :)? |
| 17:22.52 | cat | yes |
| 17:22.54 | krikke | ok |
| 17:23.06 | pumpkin0 | krikke: after adding marillat. |
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| 17:23.06 | cheal | maney: fscking unlikely |
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| 17:23.15 | krikke | ok |
| 17:23.16 | maney | cheal: but that's what I see, too |
| 17:23.21 | krikke | btw |
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| 17:23.29 | krikke | is it normal that sarge installes 2.4? |
| 17:23.32 | SerajewelKS | maney: you mean combo drives? |
| 17:23.34 | krikke | got 2.4 kernel |
| 17:23.35 | pumpkin0 | yes |
| 17:23.42 | maney | cheal: hadn't noticed it before becuase the desktops are all running Ubuntu |
| 17:23.43 | krikke | what's the most stable version? |
| 17:23.43 | cheal | maney: I have no clue about that bug |
| 17:23.51 | maney | SerajewelKS: nope, plain old CDRW |
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| 17:23.51 | cat | krikke: version of what? |
| 17:24.03 | skott | is it possible to block my ISP from port scanning me? |
| 17:24.06 | krikke | kernel |
| 17:24.09 | krikke | 2.4 / 2.6 |
| 17:24.14 | pumpkin0 | krikke: 2.4 is stabler. |
| 17:24.16 | cat | skott: not a good idea, but try man iptables |
| 17:24.18 | SerajewelKS | maney: i have a CD-RW/DVD combo and a DVD-ROM drive, and both worked fine on sarge's 2.6.8 |
| 17:24.18 | krikke | ok |
| 17:24.29 | krikke | how many download will it be to install debian? |
| 17:24.33 | krikke | net-install |
| 17:24.46 | skott | how would i go about finding my ISP's ip block? |
| 17:24.49 | pumpkin0 | krikke: 500-800MB. |
| 17:24.55 | krikke | ok |
| 17:25.00 | krikke | then i'll install it again tomorrow :p |
| 17:25.01 | SerajewelKS | skott: `whois your-ip` |
| 17:25.03 | maney | SerajewelKS: what ide modules are loaded? it acts like it doesn't recognize IDE at all here (disk is all on a 3ware controller) |
| 17:25.05 | pumpkin0 | skott: try netcraft.net |
| 17:25.08 | krikke | the installation is messed up |
| 17:25.10 | cheal | Smerdyakov: I don't know how much weight stock kernels require, but I'd suggest you to use them or learn to build custom kernels by yourself |
| 17:25.19 | krikke | after changing the system date in bios, he gives problems with the hd |
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| 17:25.25 | krikke | but nevermind |
| 17:25.28 | krikke | will reinstall :) |
| 17:25.29 | SerajewelKS | maney: ide_generic, ide_disk, ide_cd, etc |
| 17:25.32 | krikke | thx guys for the info :) |
| 17:25.36 | SerajewelKS | maney: ide_core of course |
| 17:25.52 | SerajewelKS | maney: try `modprobe ide_cd` and see what happens |
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| 17:26.03 | andax | i need a terminal emulation program for console (no x server) so I can access a device on com2 connected with an rs232 serial cable |
| 17:26.17 | pumpkin0 | anadax: minicom |
| 17:26.20 | andax | thanks |
| 17:26.25 | maney | SerajewelKS: been there. nothing, but that might be 'cause the initrd insists on loading ide-scsi :-( |
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| 17:26.35 | ejofee | which one is best: evolution, thunderbird, or kmail? |
| 17:26.42 | maney | SerajewelKS: this was upgraded in place |
| 17:26.44 | SerajewelKS | maney: that's possible |
| 17:26.52 | skott | well, i dont want my ISP to know that i'm running a web/mail server... any ideas on how i can hide that from them without actually blocking them, or is it possible? |
| 17:26.52 | SerajewelKS | !tell ejofee about best |
| 17:27.03 | SerajewelKS | skott: run it on an alternate port? |
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| 17:27.28 | skott | and they wouldn't know it was mail/web? |
| 17:27.39 | mada | olaaa |
| 17:27.40 | SerajewelKS | skott: not without protocol analyzers, no |
| 17:27.47 | Smerdyakov | cheal, well, it looks like things work with "modprobe -f", so I'll just continue being ignorant. ;) |
| 17:27.50 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: best... most fully featured. supporting proxies, advanced filtering capabilities |
| 17:27.54 | SerajewelKS | maney: initrd doesn't "load" anything.. it's a ramdisk |
| 17:28.02 | pumpkin0 | skott: they cannot check every 65536 ports on each and every client-PC |
| 17:28.16 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: i like thunderbird. evolution crashes a *lot* for me (and other people). |
| 17:28.17 | maney | SerajewelKS: yeah, and the initrd process loads lots of modules |
| 17:28.29 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: thank you |
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| 17:28.32 | skott | that's true.. i'm guessing they probably only scan the obvious ports. |
| 17:28.33 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: and kmail is a PoS last time i used it (several years ago, mind you) |
| 17:28.35 | cheal | Smerdyakov: good for you |
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| 17:28.39 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: s/is/was/ |
| 17:28.40 | cat | SerajewelKS: then file a bug on evolution |
| 17:29.01 | prp | ok, it seams i have a problem with my NIC.. it's a SiS 900 and it works in 10mb... mii-tool reports as 100baseTx-FD but that's not the case.. i had the same problem with 3com vortex .. and after i passed a module paramm it worked.. but i can't find on google param for this.. anyone any ideea ? |
| 17:29.03 | SerajewelKS | cat: i'm telling ejofee what email clients are stable. got a problem with that? |
| 17:29.11 | cat | not really, |
| 17:29.15 | cat | mutt sure is stable |
| 17:29.19 | SerajewelKS | cat: i'm not fucking complaining, so get off my back |
| 17:29.24 | SerajewelKS | cat: he didn't ask about mutt |
| 17:30.03 | cat | gees why the heck, cursed, |
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| 17:30.43 | SerajewelKS | cat: you're barging in on me as though i'm complaining about a package, telling me to "file a big report then." i'm not complaining, i'm informing. what's your problem with that. |
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| 17:31.02 | aphexer | does debian support bootsplash booting? such a nice background instead of all kinds of errors from usb modules :) |
| 17:31.16 | SerajewelKS | cat: and if you took one look at the BTS, you'd see a million instability bugs submitted already |
| 17:31.31 | SerajewelKS | aphexer: not OOTB, no. you need to roll your own kernel. |
| 17:31.32 | prophile | lo again |
| 17:31.32 | moi | hey, is there a tutorial which descibes making a bootcd with loader and the kernel |
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| 17:31.42 | aphexer | SerajewelKS: OOTB? |
| 17:31.51 | raul | hi |
| 17:31.53 | moi | aphexer: i did it, works quite nice |
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| 17:31.57 | SerajewelKS | aphexer: out of the box |
| 17:32.00 | raul | my name is raul |
| 17:32.10 | aphexer | ah k :) |
| 17:32.10 | raul | i live en mexico |
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| 17:32.10 | aphexer | moi: good to hear :) |
| 17:32.10 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: what do you mean it was pos? it was cool? |
| 17:32.26 | aphexer | moi: but you must do that again each time you install a new kernel? (well each time you want to upgrade) |
| 17:32.35 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: pile of shit. i didn't like it. but this was back in the days of KDE 2, so it might be better now. |
| 17:32.44 | raul | mmmmmmmmm kde |
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| 17:32.48 | raul | noup |
| 17:32.49 | clusty | hello |
| 17:32.53 | raul | the best gnoe |
| 17:32.53 | raul | gnome |
| 17:32.54 | ejofee | cat: do you think evolution is better than thunderbird? |
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| 17:32.59 | SerajewelKS | !troll raul |
| 17:33.05 | clusty | i have a small issue setting up the router i just bought :-d |
| 17:33.12 | cat | not sure, never used it |
| 17:33.19 | cat | i'm faithful to evolution |
| 17:33.23 | raul | umm i use gorobus |
| 17:33.27 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: i see... well, it seems it's changed in the meantime, it's quite full featured |
| 17:33.37 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: look at bugs.debian.org/evolution |
| 17:33.38 | raul | my interface favority is Gnome |
| 17:33.46 | cat | mines waimea |
| 17:33.52 | clusty | what is the meaning of the destination IP address? |
| 17:34.00 | raul | and my distributio is debian sarge |
| 17:34.05 | cat | cool |
| 17:34.12 | ejofee | SerajewelKS, cat: i guess evolution is much better integrated with gnome, right? |
| 17:34.16 | moi | aphexer: yes |
| 17:34.17 | SerajewelKS | raul: do you have a question? |
| 17:34.24 | raul | y the fork linex and guadalinex 2005 beta 2 |
| 17:34.29 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: if you can keep it from crashing, possibly |
| 17:34.33 | raul | sorry |
| 17:34.34 | moi | hey, is there a tutorial which descibes making a bootcd with loader and the kernel, but takes the rest from a hdd?! |
| 17:34.35 | sts | hello folks |
| 17:34.43 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: thunderbird does use GTK+2 widgets by default |
| 17:34.44 | cat | moi: www.linuxdoc.org |
| 17:34.44 | ejofee | SerajewelKS :)) |
| 17:35.20 | ejofee | SerajewelKS, cat: thank you... i guess i will then have to try 'em both :P |
| 17:35.29 | cat | np |
| 17:35.29 | moi | thanks cat |
| 17:35.33 | cat | np moi |
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| 17:36.03 | sts | can anyone help me with installing hylafax. i'm using debian/stable with an AVM fritz pci card. when i start hylafax/capi4hylafax on the server faxstat tells me everything is ok. when i try to submit a fax using faxsend i get erorrs logged to my syslog. |
| 17:36.10 | ejofee | also, any user-friendly (and gui) firewall recommendation, please? |
| 17:36.15 | zvn | has someone tried to create a bootable WinXP cdrom with cdrtools in Debian? I *don't* mean a 1:1 copy, I want to include some other files in the cd also? |
| 17:36.22 | skott | does 'domain' _need_ to be running? or can i stop it? |
| 17:36.26 | jjazz | ejofee, firestarter |
| 17:36.32 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: i hear quickwall is nice.. don't know if it's GUI |
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| 17:36.38 | ejofee | jjazz: thanks |
| 17:36.41 | jjazz | np |
| 17:36.50 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: i'll take a look, thank you |
| 17:36.52 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: KDE has a nice iptables-based editor i think |
| 17:36.57 | zvn | is there a way to extract the eltorito image from a cdrom? |
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| 17:37.09 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: what's its name? |
| 17:37.19 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: kmyfirewall and/or knetfilter |
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| 17:37.41 | EdibleText | zvn, create eltorito from a bootable floopy if you need, |
| 17:37.42 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: and guarddog, and guidedog |
| 17:37.54 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: fireflier-client-kde |
| 17:38.00 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: apt-cache search does wonders =) |
| 17:38.50 | zvn | EdibleText, nah, I need the one that boots into the XP setup console |
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| 17:39.04 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: thank you very much |
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| 17:39.23 | EdibleText | zvn, wrong channel for that google may be more helpful |
| 17:39.57 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: np |
| 17:40.26 | EdibleText | zvn, thoe i will say that floppy images are usable as eltorito |
| 17:41.22 | comforteagle | trying to reinstall apache2/php fresh I did an "apt-remove --purge remove *****" & it left the files in apache2.. I rm-rf apache2/, reinstalled vi apt but none of the conf files are there at all. help? |
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| 17:41.32 | comforteagle | via apt |
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| 17:41.58 | SerajewelKS | comforteagle: you need to tell apt to reinstall config files.. i forget exactly how at the moment |
| 17:42.37 | comforteagle | SerajewelKS, ohh. Hmmm |
| 17:42.42 | comforteagle | anyone? |
| 17:42.52 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 17:42.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:43.51 | SerajewelKS | hrm, i can't find the dpkg factoid on that |
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| 17:44.28 | comforteagle | SerajewelKS, it isn't --reinstall, right? |
| 17:44.41 | SerajewelKS | comforteagle: right, that won't do it |
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| 17:46.07 | cheal | !confmiss |
| 17:46.07 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 17:46.38 | SerajewelKS | yeah that's the one |
| 17:46.46 | comforteagle | trying..... |
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| 17:47.23 | comforteagle | cheal, SerajewelKS nothing still |
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| 17:47.40 | skott | what controls 'domain' by default on debian? |
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| 17:48.06 | SerajewelKS | skott: where is 'domain' located |
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| 17:48.48 | skott | ? |
| 17:48.58 | stew | skott: what do you mean by 'domain'? |
| 17:49.04 | SerajewelKS | skott: is it a program? |
| 17:49.10 | cheal | comforteagle: I'm not familiar with this issue, but I don't see how --force-confmiss would help if --purge didn't remove the files |
| 17:49.26 | skott | dns server, on port 53? |
| 17:49.36 | SerajewelKS | skott: you mean bind? |
| 17:49.42 | skott | sure |
| 17:49.54 | comforteagle | cheal, same here |
| 17:49.55 | stew | skott: bind9 is the most widely used |
| 17:49.56 | SerajewelKS | skott: try `/etc/init.d/named stop` |
| 17:50.12 | comforteagle | this is sarge if it matters |
| 17:50.15 | stew | skott: is there something in particular about it you are wondering? |
| 17:50.25 | skott | yeah, just wanna know how to stop it |
| 17:50.45 | stew | skott: /etc/init.d/bind9 stop |
| 17:51.03 | stew | skott: if you want to do that permanantly, remove the package |
| 17:51.09 | SerajewelKS | skott: bind doesn't get installed by default unless you pick 'dns server' in the installer, btw |
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| 17:51.44 | skott | yeah.. i just apt-get remove bind9, that shouldn't mess anything up, right? |
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| 17:51.52 | cat | skott: not really |
| 17:52.08 | skott | thank you guys for all the help, you truely rock. :) |
| 17:52.16 | SerajewelKS | out of curiosity, how does `apt-get remove` differ from `dpkg -r` ? |
| 17:52.26 | Spec | apt-get uses dpkg |
| 17:52.33 | skott | ^^ |
| 17:52.35 | SerajewelKS | Spec: no shit |
| 17:52.43 | skott | i'm in a habbit of typing apt-get |
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| 17:52.53 | Spec | ...well, apt-get calls dpkg...that's different :p |
| 17:52.56 | SerajewelKS | i mean is there any function difference |
| 17:53.00 | SerajewelKS | functional* |
| 17:53.00 | skott | no |
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| 17:53.18 | SerajewelKS | 'cause `dpkg -r` is shorter and i'm lazy =P |
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| 17:57.58 | xarx | debian-catalan |
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| 17:58.38 | Eclipser | how would I list all hidden files/directories in a directory? |
| 17:58.47 | Eclipser | (not regular files/dirs) |
| 17:58.48 | FourierSeries | ls -ah |
| 17:58.49 | bbrazil | ls -a |
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| 17:58.59 | Eclipser | that'll list regular ones too :p |
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| 17:59.25 | FourierSeries | alright |
| 17:59.42 | FourierSeries | ls -ah | grep \. |
| 17:59.52 | FourierSeries | :-P |
| 17:59.56 | bbrazil | ls .[^.]* |
| 18:00.00 | bbrazil | (bash) |
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| 18:01.47 | jvives | hey guys!! I just got a magnetic card (credit card) reader from a garage sale and I want to see if I can use it for something. The things is I got it plug to a serial port, turned it on, but I have no clue on how to read from it. I guess that no one of you know how to use this thing, but probable some one can have an idea on readind _anything_ from a serial port... any ideas??? |
| 18:02.39 | Eulex | Eclipser, I think you want ls -ah | grep "^\.". |
| 18:02.49 | Eulex | FourierSeries, that one will list any filename that has a dot in it |
| 18:02.49 | stew | jvives: "cat /proc/ttyS0 " will read from the first serial port |
| 18:03.03 | FourierSeries | tail -f /dev/(whatever the serial port it) or sume such? |
| 18:03.11 | Eclipser | Eulex, well not quite, it gives me nothing :p |
| 18:03.16 | Eulex | bbrazil, that one will list the contents of the dot-directories too (which I don't know if he wants to) |
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| 18:03.23 | FourierSeries | Eulex: bbrazil was correct with the first suggestion ls -a |
| 18:03.56 | FourierSeries | Eulex: Both my suggestions are the same. Not exactly what he wanted. |
| 18:03.58 | FourierSeries | ( D'oh! ) |
| 18:03.59 | Eclipser | Eulex, yeah I didn't want the contents :o |
| 18:04.01 | Skrot | Can I detect the RPM of a harddisk somehow? |
| 18:04.01 | jvives | stew: read until find and EOF? |
| 18:04.14 | debiankid | hey buds |
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| 18:04.21 | bbrazil | Eulex: -d to fix that |
| 18:04.22 | debiankid | where can i downlad gcc-java |
| 18:04.29 | Eulex | Eclipser, it does? works here. |
| 18:04.32 | Eulex | bbrazil, ah |
| 18:04.34 | stew | jvives: yes |
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| 18:04.40 | Eclipser | Eulex, funny |
| 18:04.58 | stew | debiankid: apt-cache search gcc java |
| 18:05.17 | bcc | is there a way to monitor a session on a box so that someone could log in and run bash over ssh and i could see what they see and what they type? i'm talking about my own box, not intercepting a remote session |
| 18:05.22 | bbrazil | FourierSeries: apt-get install sl :) |
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| 18:05.34 | Spec | bcc: screen |
| 18:05.34 | FourierSeries | bbrazil: lol yep! |
| 18:05.38 | Eulex | FourierSeries, well, he didn't want the the regular files... |
| 18:05.38 | cat | !tell debiankid about java |
| 18:05.50 | umbop | hey guys, for some reason a shutdown -r now is taking no affect, there's loads of services on there, is there a way for me to somehow to kill everything on there? |
| 18:05.55 | Spec | bcc: someone initiates screen, the other person does screen -x to share it |
| 18:06.01 | stew | cat: how is that supposed to help him? |
| 18:06.03 | Eclipser | Eulex, a! |
| 18:06.03 | bcc | Spec: yeah, i thought about that. |
| 18:06.21 | Eulex | Eclipser, hehe |
| 18:06.41 | stew | Eclipser: you could explicitly run /bin/ls and avoid the alias |
| 18:06.43 | bcc | so if we both attach to the same session, we would be sharing it completely? |
| 18:06.59 | Eclipser | stew, yea I suppose |
| 18:07.01 | Spec | bcc: screen -x |
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| 18:07.38 | jade | i pressed some key combination in a gnome-termina (control - C dunno what), but now when i type the characters do not echo in the terminal. how to fix? |
| 18:07.45 | bbrazil | bcc: although its a good ideato make sure both terminals are the same size |
| 18:07.59 | bbrazil | jade: crtl-q, 'reset' |
| 18:08.07 | jade | bbrazil, thanks |
| 18:08.12 | FourierSeries | hmm Ok ... how about ( or did someone already post this ) "ls -a | grep "^\." |
| 18:08.13 | bbrazil | jade: you probably typed crtl-s |
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| 18:08.48 | pok | hello all, not sure what went wrong but for some reason the last few days i have been experiencing some weird internet connectivity on my debian box. some sites will load file while others will just time out. turns out that for some reason, i am unable to ping myself. anybody have any advice as to how to correct my problem? |
| 18:08.53 | Eulex | FourierSeries, well, that's almost exactly what I gave him :) (minus one non-needed argument to ls) |
| 18:09.06 | bcc | ok, does anybody want to make a few bucks? i need help configuring a wireless adaptor and a dial-up modem on a laptop. i would pay for it. |
| 18:09.14 | jade | bbrazil, ctrl-s didnt recreate the same issue |
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| 18:09.47 | bbrazil | jade: odd, although I don't jsue gnome-terminal |
| 18:09.50 | bbrazil | *use |
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| 18:10.57 | jade | bbrazil, heh no worries. i was invoking sftp <ip> then hit ctrl-c bunch of times to exit while it was asking me for the password, so i think the no echo mode was not terminated. |
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| 18:11.16 | bbrazil | jade: ah, the reset fixed it that case |
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| 18:11.40 | ozzonn | hi everybody |
| 18:11.45 | GoRi||a | ok, im running ubantu, and need to get kernel source code..but cant find package for 2.6.12-9-386, what do i do? |
| 18:11.55 | bbrazil | !ubuntu |
| 18:11.55 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 18:11.59 | GoRi||a | k |
| 18:12.06 | pok | GoRi||a : ask in the ubuntu channel? |
| 18:12.13 | bcc | anybody? |
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| 18:12.21 | bbrazil | GoRi||a: I'd just download from kernel.org :) |
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| 18:12.32 | jade | bbrazil, yes |
| 18:12.55 | ozzonn | does ati radeon graphics cards runs well under linux ? |
| 18:13.20 | SerajewelKS | my god, it's full of plurals |
| 18:13.28 | Neo20 | yes they run well |
| 18:13.41 | ozzonn | SerajewelKS: sorry i'm not english :) |
| 18:13.59 | ozzonn | Neo20: thanks |
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| 18:14.18 | Neo20 | in fact their drivers that are develop by ati |
| 18:14.45 | Neo20 | and they have graphical gui to install them |
| 18:15.05 | ozzonn | :) |
| 18:15.10 | ozzonn | i don't care for gui |
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| 18:15.15 | Ridikuel | debian.de |
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| 18:16.26 | Eulex | ozzonn, well, you shouldn't use the graphical installer anyway if you're running debian... |
| 18:16.39 | DarkAdmiral | why is there no libwine-gl for wine 0.93 ????? |
| 18:17.22 | ozzonn | Eulex, if there's another way, you can be sure i will use it |
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| 18:18.24 | Eulex | !ati drivers |
| 18:18.24 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 18:18.58 | FourierSeries | !mack truck drivers |
| 18:19.06 | FourierSeries | durn |
| 18:19.39 | ozzonn | Eulex: i don't need help to install the driver, i'm looking for a new card for christmas |
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| 18:21.27 | mohkohn | Has anybody been sucessful getting an iRiver T30 eu model to work? |
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| 18:23.24 | Eulex | ozzonn, hehe, ok :) |
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| 18:24.25 | Eulex | mohkohn, connect it via usb, check dmesg and do fdisk -l -- if you can mount it there should be info on which device you should mount |
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| 18:24.45 | mohkohn | Thanks Eulex |
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| 18:25.13 | mohkohn | usb 4-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
| 18:25.35 | KLD | a quick noobie q? .. how do I restart X? |
| 18:25.46 | botsy | i have a problem for recompiling my kernel ... i have pastebin the error ... http://pastebin.com/471964 please help me ... |
| 18:26.20 | KLD | ctrl+alt+F1 |
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| 18:26.30 | KLD | shuts it down right? |
| 18:26.40 | mohkohn | fdisk -l -- It does not show up at all. |
| 18:26.45 | KLD | then how to run it again .. |
| 18:26.52 | FourierSeries | maybe ... ctrl + alt + backspace ? |
| 18:27.05 | mohkohn | lsusb Bus 004 Device 003: ID 4102:1119 iRiver, Ltd. |
| 18:27.08 | stew | ozzonn: radeons run will with free drivers if you don't need 3d accelleration. the free drivers provide decent 3d support up to the 9200 driver |
| 18:27.19 | endri | i've got debian 2.6.8 it doesnt shut down properly. "acpi_power_off called" ive tried noacpi but it doesnt work |
| 18:27.30 | endri | what should i do |
| 18:27.42 | KLD | FourierSeries: ctrl alt backpace runs or shuts it? |
| 18:27.59 | ozzonn | stew: like the nvidias ... |
| 18:28.02 | mohkohn | I have been looking at this thread on MisticRiver Forum: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=28641&highlight=t30 |
| 18:28.13 | KLD | I know its one of these commands just not sure which is which .. just installed ati drivers and don't want to mess things up |
| 18:28.17 | FourierSeries | KLD: restarts it I think .... lemmie try it ( BRB! ) |
| 18:28.20 | stew | ozzonn: they have horrible support compared to ati for free drivers |
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| 18:28.41 | mohkohn | Apparently the European and American T30's are crippled and only work with Windows XP SP2 |
| 18:28.44 | KLD | awww damn .. he quit |
| 18:28.54 | stew | KLD: ctrl-alt-f1 switches you to a text console but leaves the X server running, ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to x |
| 18:28.56 | ozzonn | stew: i never had problems to install the driver (maybe i'm lucky) |
| 18:29.17 | stew | ozzonn: dunno, i've never tried one of the non-free drivers |
| 18:29.21 | KLD | stew: how do I restart it though? |
| 18:29.33 | KLD | ctrl atl backspace? |
| 18:29.33 | endri | i've got debian 2.6.8 it doesnt shut down properly. "acpi_power_off called" ive tried noacpi but it doesnt work what should i do |
| 18:29.35 | stew | KLD: /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
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| 18:29.44 | stew | KLD: or exit your window manager if you are logged in |
| 18:30.06 | stew | endri: how are you halting? halt or shutdown or poweroff? |
| 18:30.07 | KLD | I'll try the /etc/init.d one :) |
| 18:30.21 | endri | halt |
| 18:30.47 | KLD | stew: whats ?dm |
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| 18:31.09 | FourierSeries | hmmm Ok. c+a+bs just kills X |
| 18:31.31 | Knorrie | endri: i experienced that problem one time with a particular asus motherboard, i don't exactly know which it was |
| 18:31.31 | KLD | FourierSeries: ur back :) |
| 18:31.40 | KLD | how did u restart it? |
| 18:31.46 | FourierSeries | c+a+f1 dropped me into a command cli screen - c+a+f3 brought back X |
| 18:31.46 | KLD | f1 |
| 18:32.04 | KLD | ok ok .. thank you :D |
| 18:32.11 | FourierSeries | KLD: I only use "startx" so ... |
| 18:32.22 | endri | i have sony b1xp |
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| 18:33.09 | Adam-_ | hi there... upgrading firefox I ended up without quite a number of 'shurtcut icons' on my gnome menu; does anyone know why is that so? and how to restore it? I already tried dpkg-reconfigure menu |
| 18:33.32 | KLD | hmmmz .. I hit ctrl alt backspace and it seemed like it resarted by it self .. |
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| 18:33.48 | cy_ | how can reset the counters within /proc/net/ ? with ifconfig ? somehow ? |
| 18:33.55 | cy_ | hi btw ;) |
| 18:33.59 | endri | Knorrie: did u make it shutdown properly |
| 18:34.13 | endri | perhaps it may work |
| 18:34.14 | FourierSeries | KLD: Oh. Maybe that does it if you are running the X as a server ( an not using startx ) ? |
| 18:34.49 | jjazz | KLD, cntrl-alt-backspace will kill your xserver, but ?dm will bring it back |
| 18:35.12 | FourierSeries | jjazz: ty! |
| 18:35.46 | jjazz | KLD to shut it down and not bring it back, figure out whether you're using xdm, gdm or kdm by doing ps ax | grep .dm |
| 18:36.16 | jjazz | KLD, then do sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop, where ?dm is xdm, gdm or kdm, as you figured out |
| 18:36.33 | Knorrie | endri: no, I brought it back to the shop and got a Intel board which worked properly |
| 18:36.59 | Knorrie | endri: it was just a thought, but it seems that's not your problem :) |
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| 18:37.21 | ohad | does anyone know how to insert a host into /etc/hosts file on macox and have that host resolve when trying to reach it using a browswer (sorry i know this is #debian) - #macosx is not really responsive |
| 18:37.38 | ohad | is there anything i need to run after i've inserted the new hosts to the /etc/hosts file? |
| 18:38.02 | FourierSeries | ohad: i do not think so - at least on debian. |
| 18:38.05 | jjazz | ohad, maybe try an openbsd channel? Mac runs on it and has little to do with Debian |
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| 18:38.17 | jjazz | ohad, Mac isn't even a linux! |
| 18:38.28 | ohad | i know. sorry |
| 18:38.32 | FourierSeries | ohad: i seem to recall doing just this recently and it took effect immidiatly. |
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| 18:39.15 | NOthsouth | how can I know what is the distro. installed on my machine ? |
| 18:39.29 | Knorrie | NOthsouth: uname -a |
| 18:39.38 | Knorrie | NOthsouth: or see /etc/motd |
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| 18:40.10 | Borszczuk | hi |
| 18:40.11 | FourierSeries | uname -a did it for me |
| 18:40.21 | Eulex | Knorrie, distro != kernel |
| 18:40.23 | NOthsouth | Knorrie, thx dude |
| 18:40.26 | Borszczuk | anyone can give me a hint how to make vanilla kernel 'make install |
| 18:40.36 | Borszczuk | anyone can give me a hint how to make vanilla kernel 'make install' to use GRUB instead of LILO? |
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| 18:40.58 | Knorrie | Eulex: I know, but it can give a good hint |
| 18:41.22 | Eulex | Knorrie, yep. if we can recognize the kernel version, it's debian. |
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| 18:41.43 | Eulex | Borszczuk, you don't "make install" on kernels on debian |
| 18:41.55 | FourierSeries | oops. I roll my own kernal so uname -a does not actually tell me I am a debian dist. I do think it will work in a standard install tho' |
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| 18:42.34 | andax | where should I start looking for problems if I use minicom or kermit to connect to a serial device (a managed switch), and after connect I get a lot of "ASIC IDD is doing !!!" messages scrolling instead of the login prompt? |
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| 18:42.53 | andax | i get the same messages if I type cat /dev/ttyS0 |
| 18:42.58 | jjazz | FourierSeries, no, it doesn't |
| 18:43.01 | Borszczuk | Eulex: yeah, sure. |
| 18:43.30 | andax | according to the documentation i should get a login prompt |
| 18:43.34 | Eulex | Borszczuk, you 'make-kpkg kernel_image' them. |
| 18:43.45 | endri | i've got debian 2.6.8 it doesnt shut down properly. "acpi_power_off called" ive tried noacpi but it doesnt work what should i do |
| 18:44.05 | Knorrie | andax: are you using the right speed / parity etc settings? |
| 18:44.14 | Eulex | andax, you haven't got debian 2.6.8. you've probably got sarge, or 3.1. |
| 18:44.19 | Borszczuk | Eulex: Yes, I know that. But I was just curious about the issue in question, hence the question. |
| 18:44.37 | Knorrie | andax: i once used cu to talk to some cisco stuff |
| 18:44.49 | FourierSeries | jjazz: hmmm ... i guess one can do aptitude / dselect ... does it not generally show up in dmesg? |
| 18:45.01 | andax | Knorrie: yes i double checked them. 9600bps 8 data 1 stop 0 parity, and vt100 emulation |
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| 18:45.19 | jjazz | FourierSeries, cat /etc/motd would do it if motd is default |
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| 18:45.42 | andax | Knorrie: actually i have only vt102 available in minicom, does it differ from vt100 so could that be the problem? |
| 18:45.44 | Eulex | Borszczuk, I dunno, but if you make-kpkg it, it will update grub itself when you install the .deb. you could always run update-grub, though |
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| 18:46.26 | FourierSeries | jjazz: *my* motd just spits back some obseneties .. tho' that is correct, for my machine :-) |
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| 18:48.51 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 18:48.53 | Azar | r1 is out |
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| 18:49.26 | Eulex | NOthsouth, if you're on debian, /etc/debian_version will exist and contain the version of debian. |
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| 18:50.36 | Azar | why www.debian.org did not announce that in its news section? |
| 18:50.37 | eeyore- | there ought to be /etc/linux_release that all vendors use, and not just "/etc/redhat-release" crap |
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| 18:51.23 | GNULinux | Which program could i use to re-sample mp3s ? |
| 18:51.29 | FourierSeries | that's an interesting question .. how would one generally find out what distribution one is using? |
| 18:51.29 | Azar | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Updated (r1) |
| 18:51.42 | Eulex | eeyore-, well, /etc/linux_release would mean something else... |
| 18:51.54 | Eulex | eeyore-, I'd propose /etc/distro_version |
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| 18:52.08 | FourierSeries | I would generally start with dmesg or otherwise vgrep the logs ... |
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| 18:53.03 | Azar | can I use aptitude dist-upgrade for the new r1 ? |
| 18:53.08 | pumpkin0 | GNULinux: lame ? |
| 18:53.08 | Azar | or just upgrade? |
| 18:53.13 | Eulex | Azar, both will do. |
| 18:53.21 | Azar | ok, thanks Eulex |
| 18:53.56 | eeyore- | Eulex: well, since you can always do "uname -a" to get the kernel version (and this works on other UNIXs too, so) ... |
| 18:53.58 | Eulex | the exactly same thing even, as there are no packages to delete or install. just upgrade. |
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| 18:54.19 | Eulex | eeyore-, true |
| 18:54.35 | NOthsouth | Knorrie, uname -a don't show me the distro name, just the kernel version ... |
| 18:54.38 | GNULinux | pumpkin0: that is not in etch? |
| 18:54.45 | Azar | how can I refuse some packages that are to be installed , like portmap ? |
| 18:54.57 | Eulex | NOthsouth, could you try cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:55.13 | Borszczuk | Azar: depends on how do install them, dselect? aptitude? by hand? |
| 18:55.19 | NOthsouth | Eulex, but if i'm not on debian ? i need some generic command |
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| 18:55.21 | pumpkin0 | GNULinux: ask dpkg about mariallat: /msg dpkg mariallat |
| 18:55.28 | Eulex | NOthsouth, there is none. |
| 18:55.29 | Azar | Borszczuk, with aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:55.32 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: that's why we said there ought to be one :-) |
| 18:55.33 | kreg_dcdi | um |
| 18:55.35 | kreg_dcdi | that nifty "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 18:55.38 | kreg_dcdi | where's that supposed to go? |
| 18:55.40 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: or, weren't you paying attention? :-) |
| 18:55.55 | kreg_dcdi | in the debian world, since i didn't find a rc.local |
| 18:55.57 | endri | i've got debian 2.6.8 it doesnt shut down properly. "acpi_power_off called" ive tried noacpi but it doesnt work what should i do |
| 18:56.01 | NOthsouth | realley ? |
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| 18:56.09 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: you *might* try /etc/redhat_release (yeah, on non-redhat it'd just say something like "mandrake" or "suse") |
| 18:56.26 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 18:56.28 | NOthsouth | i see |
| 18:56.37 | Eulex | endri, you haven't got debian 2.6.8. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:56.37 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: but not all distros have /etc/redhat_release |
| 18:57.02 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: so it all boils down to some heuristics ... if it has "dselect/apt", it's probably debian :-) if it has "emerge" it's gentoo |
| 18:57.20 | Borszczuk | azar: RTFM - that's what you shall do first. The help text is pretty short and would give you all the shortcuts you need. So hit '?' and read. Then you discover '-' shortcut. Howver be aware some packages may be mandatory for other packages (dependencies) |
| 18:57.50 | Azar | my aptitude dist-upgrade will upgrade the kernel-image2.6.8 do I need to run /sbin/lilo after that? |
| 18:57.57 | cat | yeah |
| 18:58.04 | Eulex | Azar, yes, if you're running lilo. |
| 18:58.06 | cat | grub is automaticly |
| 18:58.13 | Azar | thanks guys :) |
| 18:58.16 | cat | np |
| 18:58.36 | Azar | I never seen a system upgrade upgrading kernel at same time, so I was a bit amazed |
| 18:58.47 | cat | yeah it happends, |
| 18:59.01 | cat | not everytime, but it does happend |
| 18:59.51 | Azar | I am a bit dissapointed, the list of items upgraded was larger on the site I read about, I only get gzip, kernel and 2 other packages only |
| 18:59.53 | kreg_dcdi | should stuff like "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" go in /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
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| 19:00.40 | endri | sorry u are right |
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| 19:00.41 | Eulex | Azar, bad mirror or mirror not fully synced maybe? try running apt-get update again |
| 19:00.44 | kavorka | FourierSeries: cat /etc/issue |
| 19:00.59 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:01.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:01.11 | eeyore- | kavorka: people modify /etc/issue for real purposes |
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| 19:01.23 | eeyore- | kavorka: e.g., "Please do not use this machine for non-IT purposes" |
| 19:01.28 | FourierSeries | kavorka: good! but is it a general soulution? |
| 19:01.29 | brady | i wish more apps (like browsers) had hjkl scrolling. |
| 19:01.38 | endri | Eulex: sorry ur right i ment kernel 3.1 |
| 19:01.38 | eeyore- | FourierSeries: no |
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| 19:01.59 | Eulex | endri, your kernel is 2.6.8, your debian is 3.1. |
| 19:02.01 | Azar | Eulex I am using a german mirror as it works best for me... I will try later using another , US-based one |
| 19:02.06 | Losst | join #debhelper |
| 19:02.07 | endri | right |
| 19:02.13 | Losst | join debhelper |
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| 19:02.23 | cat | Losst: /join #debhelper |
| 19:02.25 | Losst | arghh |
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| 19:02.32 | FarrisG | When I try to "apt-get install aptitude" I get this: "aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3" |
| 19:02.36 | rata | hi |
| 19:02.40 | cat | FarrisG: sid? |
| 19:02.41 | Losst | oka thx |
| 19:02.43 | brady | does anybody know how to make gtk apps honor C-u, C-w, etc to clear lines, words, etc? |
| 19:02.46 | endri | Eulex: can u help me? |
| 19:02.48 | Eulex | Azar, better just try another german mirror... |
| 19:02.51 | FarrisG | cat: sarge |
| 19:03.01 | cat | ok try getting libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
| 19:03.21 | cat | or try dist-upgrade |
| 19:03.45 | FarrisG | cat: When I try to get libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 it selects "apt" instead, then says I already have the newest version |
| 19:03.52 | FarrisG | cat: dist-upgrade says everything's up to date |
| 19:03.57 | brady | muh na muh na |
| 19:03.58 | cat | FarrisG: did u do apt-get update? |
| 19:04.00 | Losst | no one in in debhelper^^ |
| 19:04.05 | FarrisG | cat: absolutely |
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| 19:04.15 | Eulex | FarrisG, no such package in debian. |
| 19:04.18 | cat | interesting, |
| 19:04.30 | cat | debian should bring aptitude on the installation |
| 19:04.33 | FarrisG | Eulex: Huh? |
| 19:04.33 | cat | so it's really interesting |
| 19:04.36 | Losst | auchn deutscher hier? |
| 19:04.44 | Eulex | !de |
| 19:04.44 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 19:04.53 | Losst | ^^ |
| 19:05.00 | FarrisG | cat: Full disclosure, this is an old installation that was upgraded to sarge |
| 19:05.11 | Eulex | FarrisG, you're sure it doesn't depend on libapt-pkg, dpkg and libc6? |
| 19:05.13 | cat | oh ok, |
| 19:05.36 | FarrisG | Eulex: I'm not sure of anything, I've just pasted everything apt/dpkg told me |
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| 19:06.29 | rata | i am triying to use my Genius Webcam Express, and if i dont understand bad, it should work with ov511 driver. So, i tried to compile using module-assitant ov511-source. But i couldn't, so i download the file and did a make, make install. Now i can load the module, but i can not use de webcam, and it doesnt generate a /dev/video0 device. I don't have usbdevfs, and do not know that is or how to install it :), may be that is missing ? any idea ? |
| 19:06.31 | Eulex | FarrisG, apt-cache policy aptitude, apt-cache show aptitude -- what does it say? /msg dpkg paster |
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| 19:08.19 | azaz_work | Does the nv driver do glx or do I have to use the nvidia driver? |
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| 19:08.28 | kreg | is /etc/sysctl.conf run ever boot? |
| 19:08.30 | kreg | should stuff like "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" go in /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
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| 19:08.35 | FarrisG | Eulex: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1325 |
| 19:08.58 | Eulex | azaz_work, nv doesn't do glx. |
| 19:09.03 | pawdro | hi, how to change size of subtitles in totem? |
| 19:09.12 | azaz_work | Eulex: Thanks that would explain a lot ;) |
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| 19:09.52 | naddar | !marilat |
| 19:10.06 | hackel | I keep getting an error "Superblock last write time is in the future" when trying to mount my home partition after restarting. How can I fix this? I'm running my 3rd fsck now but it takes forever with a 160GB LVM partition. |
| 19:10.26 | Eulex | FarrisG, (1) you haven't upgraded correctly to sarge (2) you've got your sarge source mounted on samba? (!?) |
| 19:10.31 | j0k3r | kreg: nop |
| 19:10.37 | FourierSeries | kreg: sysctl.conf is not "run" at boot. If I understand correctly it is just a configuration file ... you probably need a script of some sort to "echo yadda > /proc/whatever" |
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| 19:10.54 | kreg | FourierSeries, where would an appropriate place be to put such a rule? |
| 19:10.56 | FourierSeries | kreg: I do this in my firewall script. |
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| 19:11.16 | kreg | FourierSeries, that too. i have a full working iptables script, but i'm not sure where to put it in debian. |
| 19:11.33 | FourierSeries | kreg: I would put it in a firewall or networking script that resides in /etc/init.d |
| 19:11.59 | j0k3r | kreg: you should use the sysctl.conf in the this form : net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 19:12.22 | FourierSeries | kreg: put it in /etc/init.d/ and then do a link to it in /etc/rcx.d |
| 19:12.33 | j0k3r | kreg: when you system boot up, it execute the sysctl command |
| 19:12.48 | FourierSeries | kreg: where "x" is your runlevel , usually 2 or 5 |
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| 19:13.03 | kreg | wow, so there aren't any official "standand" places. i'm just trying to build a box for the company and they use debian. didn't want to get to fancy on them. |
| 19:13.05 | jlmb | hackel: check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343645 |
| 19:13.16 | Eulex | aptitude depends on libapt-pkg-libc6* on sarge, testing and unstable. but that package is not present anywhere. |
| 19:13.25 | hackel | jlmb: Ah, thank you I didn't even think to look there. |
| 19:13.41 | FarrisG | Eulex: (1) How can you tell that? (2) "samba01" is the name of a local machine, and it's running apt-cacher. |
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| 19:13.47 | j0k3r | kreg: then it reads the file sysctl.conf and do whatever it reads on it |
| 19:13.54 | FourierSeries | kreg: I've never done it that way; but, I think j0k3r is correct |
| 19:13.58 | Eulex | ah, apt provides libapt-pkg-libc6* |
| 19:13.59 | j0k3r | the /etc/sysctl.conf _is_ the standard |
| 19:14.05 | jlmb | hackel, np |
| 19:14.38 | kreg | j0k3r, i think i see what you are saying. that sounds like it's following standards more. |
| 19:14.57 | j0k3r | kreg: just look at your /usr/src/linux/Documentation and you will have much more information abou what you can put into /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 19:15.04 | Eulex | FarrisG, look at the version table of aptitude. 0.2.11.1-3 is older than the version in sarge. |
| 19:15.07 | kreg | j0k3r, awesome thanks |
| 19:15.27 | kreg | j0k3r, is there a similar for iptables script? |
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| 19:15.51 | j0k3r | kreg: you *can* use the other form (echo blah blah blah > /proc/sys/foo) |
| 19:15.59 | FarrisG | Eulex: I also just noticed that when this machine apt-get updates, it gets a bunch of "ign" lines. But other machines are using the same sources.list, and it works fine |
| 19:16.01 | kreg | j0k3r, nah this looks good to me |
| 19:16.14 | j0k3r | kreg: for iptables exists something similar, but not standardized yet |
| 19:16.16 | kreg | j0k3r, that's geared towards scripting it appears |
| 19:16.45 | kreg | j0k3r, ok thank you. currently i just do the symlink in whatever rc.X and put the script in there. |
| 19:16.57 | j0k3r | kreg: for iptables, you may use ~#iptables-save > foo |
| 19:17.14 | GNULinux | pumpkin0: do you know which command to use, to downsample the whole directory with lame? |
| 19:17.18 | j0k3r | kreg: and then #iptables-restore < foo to restore your configurations |
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| 19:17.20 | kreg | and have foo read by /etc/init.d/iptables ? |
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| 19:17.32 | Eulex | FarrisG, hmm |
| 19:18.02 | j0k3r | kreg: thats the problem... there is no standard for it, so I created my own script that do: |
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| 19:18.24 | j0k3r | kreg: start) iptables-restore /etc/fw.conf |
| 19:18.53 | kreg | right |
| 19:18.59 | j0k3r | when it receives the start argument ( /etc/init.d/fw start) |
| 19:19.06 | kreg | i do like the fedora way of iptables on and off as a service. |
| 19:19.17 | kreg | but that's about all i like over there heh heh |
| 19:19.22 | FourierSeries | kreg: the nice thing about doing it via a script is that you can read all the other scripts online & learn, etc. |
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| 19:20.05 | hackel | Unfortunately iptables-save/restore doesn't work if you have a dynamic IP address. |
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| 19:20.08 | Azar | why deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org will not work for me? I have to get sources from other countries |
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| 19:20.31 | Azar | this is the third time ftp.us.debian.org does not work |
| 19:20.39 | Azar | in fact.. never worked |
| 19:20.40 | kreg | j0k3r, right. don't other distros have a similar script like the one you made by hand in /etc/init.d/iptables ? |
| 19:20.51 | BrittMan914 | it worked this morning... |
| 19:20.58 | SimonRaven | Azar: apt-setup |
| 19:21.04 | hackel | Azar: Why are you using ftp instead of http? |
| 19:21.04 | kreg | j0k3r, simply for reading in the -save -restore |
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| 19:21.15 | BrittMan914 | http IMHO is faster |
| 19:21.17 | BrittMan914 | YMMV |
| 19:21.18 | Azar | hackel it never occured to me |
| 19:21.19 | kreg | j0k3r, or as a on and off i think |
| 19:21.23 | kreg | no sure |
| 19:21.32 | j0k3r | kreg: no... unfortunately, nobody is using the iptables-save/restore commands and I dont understand why... |
| 19:21.49 | kreg | j0k3r, me niether. they are more abstract |
| 19:21.49 | hackel | Azar: that is the default so you must have changed it. |
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| 19:22.12 | j0k3r | kreg: if you have a shell now, try out these commands... |
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| 19:22.23 | j0k3r | kreg: if you just do a #iptables-save |
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| 19:22.35 | hans0lo | I want plugger to open mpeg movies in xine, externally - not in the browser window. Anyone know how to accomplish this? |
| 19:22.52 | lordnazgul | anyone know the proper channel to get help with bootsplash. for some reason I cant get into #debian.de on quakenet |
| 19:22.52 | j0k3r | kreg: you will see your iptables settings in your stdout |
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| 19:24.27 | Azar | hmm again only kernel-headers, libcurl3 , vim and vim-common will be upgraded... why not all r1 upgrades will go through? |
| 19:24.29 | j0k3r | kreg: I think it is a great idea, you can set things in your running iptables and, if it doesnt work, just do a iptables-restore < /etc/fw.conf |
| 19:24.42 | j0k3r | kreg: without restart any service |
| 19:25.11 | Azar | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2005-12-20-023-26-NW-DB-SW&foo=PR:%2520Debian%2520GNU/Linux%25203.1%2520Updated%2520(r1)%252012-20-2005 << look at the long list of changed packages.. |
| 19:25.37 | kreg | j0k3r, *nod |
| 19:25.49 | kreg | j0k3r, thanks for the advise. |
| 19:25.56 | hackel | Azar: probably the mirror you're using hasn't been updated yet. |
| 19:26.03 | nikkos | I have a RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet, and when I installed debian, I got the message, that some modules was unloaded. I see in dmesg, that it knows that its a RTL8169 G, but it still doesnt work, what to do now? |
| 19:26.03 | j0k3r | kreg: :) |
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| 19:26.27 | hackel | Azar: Also, look at the FIRST paragraph of that article. If you keep up with regular security updates, you won't have many updates. |
| 19:26.31 | Azar | hackel I am using 2 mirrors for general, one in germany and now one in the US .. |
| 19:26.33 | lordnazgul | im trying to install a package that patches my sysv-rc is there any reason on the debian side of it that it wouldnt work. or is itg etch most likely just a compatibility issue with the package. im usin |
| 19:26.38 | Azar | hmm maybe you are right, I should wait |
| 19:26.49 | FourierSeries | j0k3r: ps - thanks as well, I've never even played around with iptables-(save/restore) -- always used iptables -L -n or similar. interesting. |
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| 19:27.38 | GNULinux | I am using lame encoder, i am trying to resample 320 kbit mp3s into 128kbit...the thing works , but it doesnt keep ID tags |
| 19:27.48 | j0k3r | FourierSeries: well... this channel is for xchanging info, isnt it ? |
| 19:27.49 | sbk | (This is out of curiosity mostly) I'm stymied on understanding hyperthreading, as it relates to servicing interrupts. It seemed to me that (if one bought the idea that hyperthreading improves performance) that sharing interrupts between the two APICs would use the resources on the CPU better. Is this reasonable? |
| 19:27.49 | j0k3r | :D |
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| 19:27.58 | lordnazgul | yech that didnt work. lemme try again. im trying to install a package that patches sysv-rc is there any reason on the debian side that it wouldnt work. or is it just an issue with the package. im using etch btw |
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| 19:28.39 | FourierSeries | j0k3r: indeed, it points me in new directions for research, etc. This is a very valuible channel, even if I am not asking many questions. |
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| 19:29.36 | FourierSeries | j0k3r: last thing I was prodded into playing around with was cups .. so I dove in & set it up, etc. And so on ... |
| 19:30.02 | nikkos | somebody please.... |
| 19:30.14 | cat | wuz up nikkos |
| 19:30.19 | FarrisG | Eulex: Any idea how to determine why I'm getting all these "ign" responses when I apt-get update? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1326 |
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| 19:31.40 | Eulex | FarrisG, I get lotsa ign's too. I guess it means that it doesn't need to update that part as it's already up to date. |
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| 19:31.55 | j0k3r | FourierSeries: ?? |
| 19:33.05 | doubleukay | can someone using SATA disks post a result of their hdparm -t /dev/sdX ? |
| 19:33.08 | nikkos | I have a RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet, and when I installed debian, I got the message, that some modules was unloaded. I see in dmesg, that it knows that its a RTL8169 G, but it still doesnt work, what to do now? |
| 19:33.15 | FourierSeries | j0k3r: In other words this channel give you an idea of what people are using so you can brush up, or learn, something that people need help with. |
| 19:33.29 | FourierSeries | j0k3r: for me at least ... |
| 19:33.51 | nikkos | someone please... |
| 19:34.38 | cat | ask you're question nikkos |
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| 19:34.55 | FourierSeries | nikkos: what module does it say is unloaded? |
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| 19:35.00 | FarrisG | Eulex: So how do I determine why this machine won't upgrade properly? |
| 19:35.16 | cat | read the error that apt-get gives you when you try to update it |
| 19:35.22 | nikkos | how can I find out with module is unloaded? |
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| 19:35.27 | opqdonut | when is irssi 0.8.10 coming into etch? |
| 19:35.37 | cat | !info irssi etch |
| 19:35.50 | cat | !info irssi-text etch |
| 19:35.54 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3.1 (etch), Packaged size: 781 kB, Installed size: 2436 kB |
| 19:35.58 | Eulex | FarrisG, doesn't an apt-get dist-upgrade do it? |
| 19:36.00 | cat | opqdonut: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 19:36.12 | afabian | Where should I put background X stuff (like unclutter) and xset commands if I'm using a display managaer? Is it .Xsession or something like that? Memory is getting a little fuzzy. |
| 19:36.13 | FarrisG | Eulex: No, I've done that. Something more sinister is wrong |
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| 19:36.29 | opqdonut | cat: 0.8.10 |
| 19:36.34 | Eulex | FarrisG, and what does it say when you do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 19:36.37 | FourierSeries | nikkos: well, "lsmod" will show what module *is* loaded. You need to find what module is *not* loading tho' - this should be in your boot messages, "dmesg" |
| 19:36.51 | j0k3r | FourierSeries: ooh, yeah!! I chat in other channels too (slackware,linuxchix-br,...), and I have clients with special needs |
| 19:36.53 | nikkos | ok...to sek |
| 19:37.04 | FarrisG | Eulex: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1327 |
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| 19:37.49 | j0k3r | FourierSeries: and these clients helps me point my study much more than the channels |
| 19:38.01 | Eulex | FarrisG, umh... that's strange... apt-cache policy apt? |
| 19:38.03 | FourierSeries | j0k3r: indeed! |
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| 19:38.26 | FourierSeries | j0k3r: And if nothing else - it is always a nice challange! |
| 19:38.36 | pearl | opqdonut: have you looked at backports.org? |
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| 19:39.17 | FarrisG | Eulex: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1328 |
| 19:39.38 | nikkos | I cant figure it out... what is "tho"? |
| 19:39.43 | opqdonut | pearl: looking |
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| 19:40.10 | Eulex | FarrisG, umh... that apt is from testing (!?) |
| 19:40.23 | j0k3r | FourierSeries: hehehe, yea, it is... :D |
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| 19:40.35 | Eulex | FarrisG, try apt-get install apt/stable |
| 19:40.41 | FourierSeries | nikkos: sorry, poor spelling on my part. If you do the "dmesg" command, does it give you a message about problems with some module? |
| 19:41.08 | MrHart | does someone know what the best program for debian is to get binaries out of newsgroups? |
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| 19:41.23 | pearl | debian sid does not have an installer like sarge, right? |
| 19:41.27 | NOthsouth | how can I start vino-server by terminal ?? |
| 19:41.48 | pearl | NOthsouth: maybe you should look into /etc/init.d/ |
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| 19:41.54 | opqdonut | pearl: are there backports for etch? |
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| 19:42.00 | Eulex | FarrisG, and downgrade any package that it complains about to stable. |
| 19:42.02 | NOthsouth | pearl, i can't find there |
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| 19:42.05 | jlmb | pearl: I believe not. |
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| 19:42.24 | j0k3r | FourierSeries: I learn about this "sysctl" stuff when I was compilling my kernel and i saw "Sysctl support" |
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| 19:42.43 | j0k3r | FourierSeries: wtf is "sysctl support ?" |
| 19:42.45 | jlmb | NOthsouth: dpkg -L vino-server | grep init.d |
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| 19:42.55 | pearl | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/i/irssi/irssi_0.8.10-0bpo1_i386.deb - here is the package you are looking fir |
| 19:43.00 | pearl | download and install |
| 19:43.06 | FarrisG | Eulex: Yikes... I suspect someone screwed with this box while I was on vacation and added some crap from testing here |
| 19:43.07 | j0k3r | FourierSeries: i read the docs on kernel dir and... voila!!! |
| 19:43.08 | pearl | s/fir/for |
| 19:43.11 | j0k3r | hehehe |
| 19:43.28 | opqdonut | pearl: thanks |
| 19:43.30 | nikkos | no... when I type dmesg I just get a lot of text, it says that the driver is loaded, it has identifyed the chip "RTL8169" and "auto-negotiation enabled" |
| 19:43.33 | Eulex | FarrisG, heh |
| 19:43.40 | FourierSeries | j0k3r: I've used a similar method in FreeBSD where you have a conf file where you add "Feature="YES"" or some such. Never really used it in Debian. |
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| 19:44.14 | pearl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.29 | pearl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.32 | NOthsouth | jlmb, -L don't work |
| 19:44.46 | jlmb | NOthsouth: what's the package name? |
| 19:44.46 | FourierSeries | nikkos: Ok, that is good. Now ... which module is giving you a problem? Or what seems to be the problem? |
| 19:45.16 | NOthsouth | vino-server |
| 19:45.20 | NOthsouth | vino |
| 19:45.34 | FarrisG | Eulex: Is there any way to safely do a system-wide downgrade to sarge/stable? |
| 19:45.44 | jlmb | NOthsouth: dpkg -L vino | grep init.d |
| 19:45.44 | NOthsouth | dpkg -L vino | grep init.d, don't show me nothing |
| 19:45.44 | dpkg | ii vino | grep init.d, don't show me nothing 2.4-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:46.09 | jlmb | NOthsouth: Try it without the | grep ... |
| 19:46.14 | nikkos | it just, that its trying to find network-connection, but then it says that it could not bring eth0 up |
| 19:47.25 | NOthsouth | I just neede to start vino |
| 19:47.34 | Eulex | FarrisG, there is no automatic way. you will have to do it manually for every package. |
| 19:47.40 | jlmb | NOthsouth: If the package is really installed then it doesn't provides a init.d script. |
| 19:47.40 | NOthsouth | I don't know how do it from terminal |
| 19:47.48 | FarrisG | Eulex: Okeedoke, not a big deal. Thanks |
| 19:47.55 | NOthsouth | jlmb, so what I need to do ? |
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| 19:48.12 | FourierSeries | nikkos: It could be several things ... maybe the card simply will not "come up" if it is not plugged into a network. My guess it that you must now configure "eth0" with an IP address, etc. |
| 19:48.20 | jlmb | NOthsouth: probably just need to run the binary itself. |
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| 19:48.33 | foo | How is linux support with a USB wifi adapter? |
| 19:49.01 | jlmb | NOthsouth: dpkg -L vino provides a list of all the files installed by vino. |
| 19:49.08 | Eulex | foo, depends on chipset. |
| 19:49.14 | jlmb | NOthsouth: vino package I mean. |
| 19:49.14 | NOthsouth | jlmb, i can't, when I try it, it try to open a GUI app. |
| 19:49.24 | foo | Eulex: So some chipsets are supported, eh? And have no issues? |
| 19:49.28 | FourierSeries | nikkos: also - if it really is a "gigabit" card, you may need to tell it to run at a lower speed, 100x or 10x, depending on your network. Autonegtiaion can be hairy sometimes. |
| 19:50.19 | nikkos | how to do that.... shall I write in the file "interfaces" ? |
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| 19:51.21 | meursault | hi guys |
| 19:51.29 | cat | hi |
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| 19:51.57 | Eulex | foo, yes. if you had known your chipset we could have told you more accurately. |
| 19:52.05 | meursault | i'm running stable, and i would like to install a specific package from testing |
| 19:52.08 | Eulex | !interfaces |
| 19:52.09 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 19:52.28 | FourierSeries | nikkos: the configuration stuff sould be there; but, what you need to write exactly for that card I do not know... check it out for some examples, google "your network card name" and "interfaces" for examples. |
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| 19:52.45 | soymilk | how to run ls and not have it give recursive listings? |
| 19:52.52 | meursault | i tried apt-get install -t testing package and other combinations but it simply doesnt work |
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| 19:53.01 | FourierSeries | nikkos: also I would make a backup of that file, right now, before you change anything. |
| 19:53.04 | jlmb | NOthsouth: I believe isn't possibly to start it just a cli line app. Check vino man page for any parameters that might help you. |
| 19:54.14 | FourierSeries | nikkos: also, as I said, my guess is that you need to force the card to run a certain network speed. I have had such problems with "gigabit" cards before. |
| 19:54.29 | Azar | this is strange, if I dist-upgraded why it is offering me a new kernel again? |
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| 19:54.49 | jlmb | soymilk: ah? |
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| 19:55.32 | FourierSeries | nikkos: as I said "autonegotiation" is some times just not good enough. That is my guess as to your problem. |
| 19:55.36 | nikkos | okay... what is the difference... then I should force it to "1 GB" ? Where do I do that? |
| 19:56.19 | [Cadet] | is the current 2.6.k7 kernel broken in sid? I just dist-upgraded and now bootup fails with errors about waiting for /sys/block/hda/dev to come online |
| 19:56.48 | [Cadet] | been searching bts but didn't really see anything |
| 19:56.56 | FourierSeries | nikkos: hold on - I'm looking for an example ... |
| 19:57.15 | jlmb | nikkos: ethtool, mii-diag or modulep parameters. |
| 19:57.33 | FourierSeries | nikkos: Oh, and one question: What speed *is* your network? |
| 19:57.35 | jlmb | [Cadet]: No, it's a yird bug. |
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| 19:57.42 | jlmb | [Cadet]: yaird |
| 19:58.26 | nikkos | I have a 10/100 router.... |
| 19:58.28 | [Cadet] | jlmb: Oh ok, is there a workaround? |
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| 19:59.02 | nikkos | 2 G up/down load |
| 19:59.15 | FourierSeries | Oh lookie! --- |
| 19:59.21 | soymilk | jlmb: /bin/ls ~/*foo* and i get (unwanted) recursive directory listings for any directory with *foo* in it. |
| 19:59.28 | FourierSeries | nikkos: this may help: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 19:59.44 | nikkos | okay... I look it up.. thanks.... :) |
| 19:59.49 | jlmb | [Cadet]: Not that I know off. I'm using yaird 0.0.11-12 . |
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| 20:00.03 | soymilk | jlmb: and no switch mentioned in man page that is relevant |
| 20:00.07 | [Cadet] | jlmb: Ok, thanks for the info |
| 20:00.19 | jlmb | [Cadet]: I downgraded yaird and reinstalled kernel. |
| 20:00.58 | [Cadet] | jlmb: I'll try that later, thanks. Been a while since I've gotten hosed like that |
| 20:01.17 | jlmb | [Cadet]: luck. |
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| 20:01.32 | jlmb | soymilk: ls ~/foo or ~/foo* ? |
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| 20:02.10 | [Cadet] | jlmb: Should be no problem. I hate to say it but a rh boot.iso and a ftp mirror work great to get into it |
| 20:02.43 | soymilk | jlmb: the problem is not the regex, its with the behavior of ls doing recursive listings |
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| 20:03.54 | jlmb | soymilk: I see what you mean, no idea how to disable/change that behavior |
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| 20:04.32 | mango | hi, am using an epson photo rx 425 printer, scanner & storage device...I am currenly using the scanner with xsane, but I can only using it as root...and I can not figure what to do to enable a any user to use it,, any help please? |
| 20:06.13 | cat | mango: adduser $user scanner |
| 20:06.17 | cat | or adduser $user printer |
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| 20:06.25 | GNULinux | how can i re-sample whole directory using lame? |
| 20:06.33 | cat | GNULinux: man lame |
| 20:06.41 | GNULinux | well, it doesnt say |
| 20:06.53 | SimonRaven | there is no /dev/eth0 |
| 20:06.53 | cat | google.com/linux lame faq or lame howto |
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| 20:07.07 | FourierSeries | SimonRaven: ;-) |
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| 20:07.36 | visik7 | hi |
| 20:08.04 | visik7 | incoming is empty the package from incoming go to unstable ? or experimental ? |
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| 20:08.33 | markybob | Failed to append to local `Sent' folder: Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/kevin.wilson/.evolution/mail/local/Sent: File too large umm...so, any idea of how i can keep using evolution without needing to delete company emails that i'm required to keep? |
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| 20:09.02 | The_Ball | can anybody tell me where to find these discs? http://rafb.net/paste/results/NCnrNw83.html nothing under /dev |
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| 20:09.52 | visik7 | The_Ball: /dev/sd* ? |
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| 20:10.08 | The_Ball | visik7, ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory |
| 20:10.24 | visik7 | The_Ball: cool |
| 20:10.42 | The_Ball | not very |
| 20:10.58 | visik7 | just joking |
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| 20:11.18 | Entvex | i Love debian as a server the best os ever ! :) |
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| 20:11.26 | FourierSeries | ? /dev/at* maybe? |
| 20:11.31 | Eulex | The_Ball, that will just find usb, scsi and sata discs. |
| 20:11.34 | The_Ball | oh no, i found the error, no scsi disk support in the kernel |
| 20:11.44 | FourierSeries | o_O |
| 20:11.48 | SimonRaven | doh |
| 20:11.58 | visik7 | incoming is empty the package from incoming go to unstable ? or experimental ? |
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| 20:12.19 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 20:12.40 | GNULinux | cat: there are no options on how to convert whole directory with lame |
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| 20:13.08 | SimonRaven | visik7: depends... if they're targetted for one of them... they go in unstable is they aren't configured to go in experimental first |
| 20:13.29 | cmatheson_ | i have a loopback file-system that was 21G, i've trimmed the files inside down to 4.1G, i'd like to shrink the loopback file itself down to about 4.5G... how is this done? |
| 20:13.29 | SimonRaven | ugh, sorry about that incoherent statement |
| 20:13.36 | mango | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.43 | GNULinux | pumpkin0: do you know on how to convert whole directory with lame |
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| 20:13.52 | DevilChaos | anyone like disturbed in here? |
| 20:13.56 | pumpkin0 | cmatheson: create a new loopback and copy them. |
| 20:14.12 | pumpkin0 | CNULinux: use * |
| 20:14.24 | cmatheson_ | pumpkin0: i can't just shrink the loopback i'm using now? |
| 20:14.33 | Serge_K | GNULinux: do it via script lie "for "i"<bla-bla> do <lame <bla>" :) |
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| 20:14.47 | pumpkin0 | cmatheson_: not w/o a lot of risks. |
| 20:15.07 | Serge_K | lie=like |
| 20:15.12 | GNULinux | pumpkin0: it doesnt work ... lame --mp3input JULIO\ IGLESIAS\ -\ * |
| 20:15.14 | cmatheson_ | pumpkin0: ok thanks |
| 20:15.23 | pumpkin0 | cmatheson_: which fs do you use inside the loopback anyway ? |
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| 20:15.44 | GNULinux | pumpkin0: and it also doesnt save the ID3 tags...when converting |
| 20:16.14 | cmatheson_ | pumpkin0: ext3 |
| 20:16.15 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here knows how to show a ssl certificate in plain text? |
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| 20:16.50 | SimonRaven | openssl x509 -text -noout < file.pem |
| 20:17.09 | mango | I did "adduser: The group `scanner' already exists." I got this message =>adduser: The group `scanner' already exists. but I still can not use the scanner as a normal user |
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| 20:17.15 | pumpkin0 | CNULinux: lame is a mp3-lib, not a pro converter tool. create a file, start each line with lame --youropts and add one filename. run that script. |
| 20:17.39 | xychix | can i still install gcc 4.02 ? instead of 4.03 ??? 4.02 is used to build my kernel vmware needs it |
| 20:17.41 | GNULinux | pumpkin0: i dont understand? |
| 20:17.50 | pumpkin0 | cmatheson_: resizing ext3 is possible, but you will have to resize the file "by hand". I don't think that will work first go. |
| 20:18.25 | ctp | SimonRaven: thx |
| 20:18.32 | GNULinux | pumpkin0: have you converted the whole directory with lame? |
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| 20:18.41 | FourierSeries | cmatheson_: one thing's for sure, you better back up that filesystem before playing with it. |
| 20:18.59 | _metaperl | I understood that the new Amarok could not be compiled due to a gcc bug. But gcc was recently updated. When can we expect to see a new Amarok? |
| 20:19.02 | pumpkin0 | CNULinux: do "ls > list". Open the file list and add lame infront. |
| 20:20.00 | pumpkin0 | CNULinux: After that make the list-file executeable (chmod +x list) and launch it (./list) |
| 20:20.02 | SimonRaven | ctp: np |
| 20:20.10 | GNULinux | ok :) |
| 20:20.12 | Maulkin | Hmm. I've got a problem with waproamd. (in Sid) It seems that the $ESSID variable being passed to the scripts has the first 4 characters cut off it. Anyone here experienced this? |
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| 20:21.06 | SimonRaven | !snapshot |
| 20:21.06 | dpkg | [debian snapshot] http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 20:21.16 | SimonRaven | xychix: ^^^ |
| 20:21.24 | MyWay | Hi bOys. |
| 20:21.35 | b14ck | !snapshot |
| 20:21.36 | dpkg | debian snapshot is, like, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 20:21.38 | Maulkin | xychix: It doesn't actually need it :) |
| 20:21.40 | MyWay | I have a problem with XmmS, the fonts are too small, what can i do for it? |
| 20:21.49 | xychix | Maulkin: ah ok.. tnx |
| 20:22.00 | xychix | SimonRaven: i'll keep that in mind |
| 20:22.04 | afabian | I was wondering something; I'm not even sure if it's a properly-formed question. But if there are packages that add functionality to other packages, but you have to determine which libraries to link in at run time, then.. any packages that add functionality later can't require any sort of linking, right? |
| 20:22.16 | Maulkin | xychix: ignore the waringin it gives you, it works fine |
| 20:22.24 | b14ck | !ati drivers |
| 20:22.24 | afabian | You'd need package-variant, or somesuch? (like xemacs-gnome?) |
| 20:22.25 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 20:22.36 | xychix | Maulkin: ok tnx.. i'll try that |
| 20:22.37 | Maulkin | MyWay: you can change the font in teh preferences dialogue |
| 20:22.42 | FourierSeries | !mack truck drivers |
| 20:22.47 | FourierSeries | durn |
| 20:22.49 | afabian | At compile time. Not run time. Oof. |
| 20:23.00 | Maulkin | xychix: Well, that's how it worked for me anyway. Come back if you have problesm. I'll be around for a while. |
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| 20:23.11 | cmatheson_ | pumpkin0: i think i'll just go w/ the make a new loopback file-system and copy it over approach, i have more free space than i thought i did |
| 20:23.15 | xychix | Maulkin: ok i'll see if i can get it running |
| 20:23.33 | MyWay | Maulkin: think the problem it's not it, on preferences the fonts are: 16, not that small! |
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| 20:23.41 | MyWay | i'm talking about the fonts on the menù |
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| 20:24.20 | MyWay | Can be a skin problem? or What? |
| 20:24.26 | GNULinux | pumpkin0: but preserving mp3 tags with lame is nto possible, i searched also mailing list |
| 20:24.50 | Maulkin | MyWay: yes, it could be. |
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| 20:25.07 | hax | is there any way to make a wget ftp xfer that keeps stalling restart itself automatically? |
| 20:25.11 | hax | i can't find the option for it |
| 20:25.18 | Maulkin | MyWay: you can make the skin larger. |
| 20:25.48 | MyWay | Maulkin i tried moving it as a big skin, but the menù fonts are always very small |
| 20:26.02 | Maulkin | MyWay: What do you mean by 'menu'? |
| 20:26.18 | MyWay | I meand when you press the "letter" at top-left |
| 20:26.30 | MyWay | play a file |
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| 20:26.33 | MyWay | play a dir. |
| 20:26.36 | MyWay | options.. |
| 20:26.40 | MyWay | the menù. |
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| 20:26.53 | pumpkin0 | GNULinux: ... well there are other tools to read and write MP3-Tags. You will have to write a little script... |
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| 20:27.00 | MyWay | or just doing right mouse click |
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| 20:27.05 | afabian | hax: you could possibly wrap it up in a shell script loop that checks wget's exit status and tries again if it's non-zero. But if you have an unreliable connection, you're probably better off getting a tool designed for such difficulties. |
| 20:27.11 | b14ck | aptitude install easytag |
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| 20:27.16 | Maulkin | MyWay: Ahh, that's a skin problem |
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| 20:27.26 | MyWay | Damn! i try change it, thanks :P |
| 20:27.32 | xychix | Maulkin: if i try to start vmware it tells me its not configured to work with my kernel |
| 20:27.34 | hax | afabian: any idea what the tool is? |
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| 20:27.44 | Maulkin | xychix: run vmware-configure.pl |
| 20:27.55 | afabian | hax, I'm partial to ncftp's background transfer feature. |
| 20:28.11 | hax | afabian: i've had trouble with ncftpget |
| 20:28.13 | xychix | Maulkin: i did.. i got vmware-perl api running.. did it all.. all succesfull apart from the warning on the compiler... (its GSX server) |
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| 20:28.39 | hax | afabian: here's the line of wget though: wget -l 0 -c -r -nH ftp://user:pass@host.com/ |
| 20:28.50 | hax | afabian: if you know how to convert that to ncftpget, i'll certainly try running it |
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| 20:29.32 | afabian | hax, not off of the top of my head, I'm afraid. Been cabled for a while, haven't had transfer problems. =) |
| 20:29.38 | GnuS | is debian a carrier grad linux ? |
| 20:30.11 | hax | afabian: heh, yeah |
| 20:30.37 | MyWay | Maulkin: I installed xmms-skin, but xmms doesn't find them. Where are them? |
| 20:30.40 | Maulkin | xychix: Oh, erm... I'm using Workstation |
| 20:30.48 | FourierSeries | carrier grade linux? |
| 20:30.55 | Maulkin | MyWay: dpkg -l xmms-skin |
| 20:30.58 | xychix | Maulkin: i got vmplayer running... |
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| 20:31.16 | Maulkin | xychix: try #vmware |
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| 20:31.23 | meursault | how can you force apt to install a package from another tree e.g testing |
| 20:31.24 | MyWay | Maulkin: i installed the skins with apt-get install |
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| 20:31.45 | Maulkin | meursault: apt-get -t testign install foo |
| 20:31.53 | Maulkin | MyWay: so? :) |
| 20:31.58 | ubuntu | hi |
| 20:31.59 | MyWay | xmms can't find them :P |
| 20:32.05 | MyWay | in Wich folder are them installed? |
| 20:32.17 | Maulkin | 20:30 < Maulkin> MyWay: dpkg -l xmms-skin |
| 20:32.22 | ubuntu | chamo alguien habla español? |
| 20:32.23 | MyWay | ok |
| 20:32.29 | Maulkin | !es |
| 20:32.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:33.15 | meursault | Maulkin, it doesn't work |
| 20:33.28 | meursault | Maulkin, it installs the sarge version |
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| 20:34.09 | Maulkin | meursault: do you have testing in your sources list? |
| 20:34.15 | meursault | Maulkin, no |
| 20:34.24 | misieq_ | hi! i have an usb camera (panasonic dmc-lz1) how do i identify which /dev/sd* is it to mount it? |
| 20:34.26 | meursault | should it be |
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| 20:34.36 | Maulkin | meursault: If you want a package from testing, yes. |
| 20:34.39 | MyWay | Maulkin: changed the skin now, but always the same. In the menù the fonts are small. |
| 20:34.41 | meursault | ok |
| 20:34.45 | Maulkin | meursault: FIRST, read about pinning |
| 20:34.52 | Maulkin | meursault: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 20:35.00 | djw | are the bots not working? |
| 20:35.00 | misieq_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.06 | xychix | Maulkin: i did... #vmware :P it gives me a xwindow telling me it's not configured for my kernel |
| 20:35.13 | djw | or just ignoring me |
| 20:35.30 | Maulkin | MyWay: IIRC, that's it's a GTK1 app, so I'm not sure I'm afrid |
| 20:35.43 | Maulkin | xychix: no, type "/join #vmware" in IRC |
| 20:35.55 | Maulkin | djw: Ok :) |
| 20:35.58 | xychix | Maulkin: :P ah tnx |
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| 20:37.04 | misieq_ | i have an usb camera (panasonic dmc-lz1) how do i identify which /dev/sd* is it to mount it? lsusb shows me that it is identified on bus 2, device 7... |
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| 20:38.01 | pumpkin0 | misieq: dmesg | tail and search for /dev/s |
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| 20:38.27 | eeyore- | misieq_: failing that (dmesg) you can always "fdisk -l /dev/sda" and so on |
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| 20:39.21 | misieq_ | hmmm.... dmesg says that dev 7 is not claimed by any active driver... what drivers should i load then? |
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| 20:39.58 | pumpkin0 | misieq: have you used usb-mass-storage before ? |
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| 20:40.22 | misieq_ | yes, with iriver h100 player |
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| 20:41.54 | misieq_ | bbl |
| 20:42.07 | misieq_ | you can /msg me if you come up with some solution |
| 20:42.13 | pumpkin0 | misieq: are you sure that device is using the normal massstorage interface ? |
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| 20:42.53 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 20:43.36 | jazzanova | how can i use Xvnc server and create someting on 5900 ? It creates by default at 59001 (display 1) |
| 20:43.53 | jazzanova | 5901 |
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| 20:44.08 | jazzanova | i guess i need to start it at 4999 then ? but how can i do it ? |
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| 20:44.14 | rac | please, how to change the value of localdomain ? |
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| 20:44.49 | pumpkin0 | jazzanova: vncserver -basehttpport 5900 :1 |
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| 20:45.26 | pitillo | jazzanova, I have a guide to make a tunnel with ssh to encript the vnc connection http://lokalix.dyndns.org/index_en?get=manuales/en/manual_vnc |
| 20:45.43 | jazzanova | thanks :) |
| 20:45.59 | visik7 | is there some rss thats tells what is new in various debian distros ? |
| 20:46.06 | visik7 | s/distros/version |
| 20:46.45 | Maulkin | visik7: Does it have to be rss? |
| 20:47.35 | visik7 | Maulkin: if I haven't a specific version would be usefull to stay updated on what happen on other version |
| 20:47.55 | jazzanova | thanks pitillo pumpkin0 |
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| 20:48.56 | Maulkin | visik7: http://polydistortion.net/urls/new-debian-packages.rss |
| 20:49.01 | lgd_ | what time is it in new york? |
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| 20:49.14 | FourierSeries | 15:49 |
| 20:49.22 | lgd_ | =/ |
| 20:49.30 | markybob | my Sent file in evolution is too large for evolution to use now. what can i do about this since per company policy i cant delete emails? |
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| 20:49.46 | lgd_ | with skype never send me |
| 20:49.49 | lgd_ | =/ |
| 20:49.51 | Maulkin | visik7: not sure if that's what you need though |
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| 20:50.17 | lgd_ | FourierSeries: new york is beauty? |
| 20:50.18 | Maulkin | markybob: move it? :) |
| 20:50.19 | brady | is there a way to tell my ssh client to send null/keepalive packets often so i dont get disconnected? |
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| 20:50.36 | markybob | Maulkin: not helpful :) |
| 20:51.11 | FourierSeries | lgd_: HAH? NY is bueatyfull? I prefer Washington DC meself ... |
| 20:51.33 | Maulkin | markybob: Why not? |
| 20:51.45 | Eulex | markybob, go talk with your boss? maybe you could export them in some way and then delete the old ones. |
| 20:51.46 | brady | i vote for texas ... |
| 20:51.58 | MyWay | Someone here knowns how to modify the GTK fonts? |
| 20:52.32 | FourierSeries | markybob: could you not just move the send file to a new file? |
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| 20:53.33 | visik7 | Maulkin: not exactly it's quiet caothic |
| 20:53.33 | Maulkin | markybob: "mv ~/.evolution/mail/local/Sent ~/Sent.backup.mbox && touch .evolution/mail/local/Sent" |
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| 20:53.42 | Jacky^ | hi all |
| 20:53.45 | Maulkin | visik7: |
| 20:53.46 | Maulkin | ? |
| 20:54.00 | FourierSeries | markybob: right. whut Maulkin said ... |
| 20:54.01 | visik7 | what new packages are there ? |
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| 20:54.09 | visik7 | the one from incoming ? experimental ? sid ? |
| 20:54.14 | Jacky^ | after an update apt-setup has been remove :/ is that on for unstable ? |
| 20:54.27 | Orfeous | i want help downloading some webcontents with wget.. what command to type? |
| 20:54.33 | Maulkin | visik7: You may need to subscribe to debian-devel-changes and parse that |
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| 20:55.05 | Maulkin | Orfeous: wget http://www.debian.org |
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| 20:55.39 | Jacky^ | can I downgrande from unstable to resting ? |
| 20:55.41 | Maulkin | Jacky^: It's now part of base-config :) |
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| 20:55.55 | Jacky^ | Maulkin: it changed the name ? |
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| 20:56.07 | Maulkin | !tell Jacky^ about downgrade |
| 20:56.20 | Maulkin | Jacky^: no, the actual program got moved to another package. |
| 20:56.22 | FourierSeries | !es |
| 20:56.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:56.32 | SimonRaven | downgrande to resting? wow, didn't even that existed |
| 20:56.37 | FourierSeries | well, dpkg is still *there* |
| 20:56.44 | CGI136 | hi all |
| 20:56.49 | lgd_ | FourierSeries: but where time in usa you work? |
| 20:57.02 | visik7 | !it |
| 20:57.02 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:57.03 | Jacky^ | Maulkin: thanks, i will try to install it |
| 20:57.06 | lgd_ | never send me message |
| 20:57.10 | FourierSeries | lgd_: 15:57 |
| 20:57.16 | koudelka_ | how to share a pppoe connection? |
| 20:57.19 | SimonRaven | fuck off eh, stupid hotmail |
| 20:57.33 | debiankid | im having a big trouble here installing wine |
| 20:57.33 | visik7 | koudelka_: like all other connections |
| 20:57.36 | Maulkin | SimonRaven: Yeah, didn't you get the memo for our uber 1337 -private list? :) |
| 20:57.38 | FourierSeries | lgd_: It's Eastern Standard Time. Same for NY, DC, & me. |
| 20:57.47 | Jacky^ | dpkg: thanks ! I know -it channels.. but im sure I can get better help only* here :( |
| 20:57.48 | dpkg | pas de quoi, Jacky^ |
| 20:57.50 | SimonRaven | ages ago |
| 20:57.57 | lgd_ | =/ |
| 20:57.58 | Jacky^ | italians channels arent good |
| 20:58.03 | debiankid | he i downloaded the deb from internet but he ask me for dependences |
| 20:58.04 | Jacky^ | sorry .. |
| 20:58.08 | lgd_ | ciao Jacky^ |
| 20:58.10 | koudelka_ | visik7, and how's that? |
| 20:58.16 | Jacky^ | hi lgd_ |
| 20:58.24 | lgd_ | are you italian? |
| 20:58.24 | Maulkin | debiankid: use apt-get |
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| 20:58.43 | debiankid | maulkin how come that ? |
| 20:58.45 | Jacky^ | ledet: at least.. if our fisrt minister no not change our name .. |
| 20:58.51 | Jacky^ | in italioti or similar |
| 20:59.01 | lgd_ | i'm italian |
| 20:59.02 | Jacky^ | Im tryng to migrate in another country |
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| 20:59.05 | Jacky^ | :) |
| 20:59.11 | FourierSeries | Jacky^: Sorry that was me that caused dpkg to spew out the spanish stufs - i was just checking that dpkg was still there ... |
| 20:59.12 | Jacky^ | ledet: good luck ! |
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| 20:59.25 | SimonRaven | freaking kmail makes sieve scripts too easy to edit... |
| 20:59.27 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 20:59.32 | debiankid | maulkin apt-get install ???wine-dev_0.9.3-winehq-1_i386.deb |
| 20:59.33 | Jacky^ | FourierSeries: understood .. I know |
| 20:59.33 | Maulkin | debiankid: it will sort out your dependancies |
| 20:59.39 | henk | Any fakeroot experts here? I'm trying to set up the following. I have a shell script that runs 'fakeroot -s fakefile -i fakefile bash ; exit' and i put that as the login shell for user foo. If foo logs in he gets a shell that looks like he is root. He can use his dir for storing his backups and keeping all his filemetadata data intact for later restore. This works ok with logging in to it with ssh. But i want to be able to use it with rsync too. |
| 20:59.39 | henk | So i want this user to point his rsync to his login at my box, do the remote backupping and his 'root' owned files will be root in his fakeroot but not in reality on my system. Good setup only rsync hangs when logging in. Anyone here that can help ? |
| 20:59.40 | Maulkin | debiankid: no. |
| 20:59.44 | lgd_ | FourierSeries: in ny is very cool? |
| 20:59.45 | Maulkin | debiankid: apt-get install wine-dev |
| 20:59.49 | Jacky^ | just forget italian help channels .. |
| 21:00.01 | lgd_ | Jacky^: vuoi in canale italiano? |
| 21:00.08 | Jacky^ | nopes, ty |
| 21:00.25 | Jacky^ | i done italian channels years agoo |
| 21:00.29 | FourierSeries | lgd_: I dunno. I rather like Long Island. |
| 21:00.33 | misieq_ | i have an usb camera (panasonic dmc-lz1) how do i identify which /dev/sd* is it to mount it? lsusb shows me that it is identified on bus 2, device 7... |
| 21:00.42 | Jacky^ | I just donate something to SPI when I can |
| 21:00.42 | misieq_ | dmesg says that dev 7 is not claimed by any active driver... what drivers should i load then? |
| 21:00.48 | Jacky^ | not interesting in other |
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| 21:00.51 | krikke | hello |
| 21:00.53 | debiankid | maulkin where is the paste here the messages ? |
| 21:00.58 | krikke | what is the rc.conf file on debian |
| 21:01.05 | debiankid | to show the error im having here |
| 21:01.27 | Maulkin | krikke: there isn't |
| 21:01.37 | Maulkin | !paster |
| 21:01.37 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 21:02.21 | krikke | what do I need to do then |
| 21:02.25 | Maulkin | Jacky^: Thanks for your donations, we appreciate it :) |
| 21:02.38 | Maulkin | krikke: Not sure. Try telling us your problem first :) |
| 21:02.51 | Jacky^ | :) happy to do it all times I can |
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| 21:03.18 | krikke | I want to start apache on startup |
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| 21:03.29 | krikke | where to put it |
| 21:03.34 | Xamusk | I'm having a problem trying to get xdmcp working: I enable xdmcp in the server's gdm.conf, but when I run X -query <ip> :1 it gives me the gray screen with X cursor (and no gdm), but when I run X -indirect <ip> :1 it gives me a list of servers available and when I click the server, it runs ok, with gdm |
| 21:03.39 | Maulkin | krikke: apt-get install apache |
| 21:03.45 | Maulkin | krikke: it'll auto start |
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| 21:04.06 | hax | there's a list of all new domain names published somewhere, right? |
| 21:04.15 | Maulkin | hax: ? |
| 21:04.18 | krikke | and how to put a command I want myself |
| 21:04.31 | hax | Maulkin: like, that's how people figured out gmail was coming, because they were watching the list, i think |
| 21:04.35 | Never^ | hmm |
| 21:04.46 | hax | Maulkin: i'm pretty sure you can get like a daily list of everything new that's been registered |
| 21:04.47 | debiankid | maulkin chek this http://channels.debian.net/paste/1330 |
| 21:05.03 | Never^ | im having some problems with udev it won't accept my locales when apt tries to install it ... what can i do? |
| 21:05.09 | krikke | thx |
| 21:05.26 | Maulkin | krikke: ok... "cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/myscript; nano /etc/init.d/myscript; update-rc.d myscript; |
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| 21:05.42 | Maulkin | hax: you can't really. |
| 21:05.46 | Maulkin | hax: it's just people noticing |
| 21:05.53 | Xamusk | any ideas? |
| 21:06.01 | hax | Maulkin: no, i'm pretty sure you can |
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| 21:06.07 | endri | i've got kernel 2.6.8 Debian 3.1 it doesnt shut down properly. "acpi_power_off called" ive tried noacpi but it doesnt work what should i do |
| 21:06.18 | hax | Maulkin: i've definitely read about it, i just don't know how, and it's not something i can figure out how to google |
| 21:06.50 | Maulkin | hax: Trust me, you can't. There's lots of reasons why you can't :) |
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| 21:07.21 | Maulkin | debiankid: have you tried "apt-get -f install"? |
| 21:07.27 | hax | Maulkin: i'm almost positive you can, now you're going to make me search for it :P |
| 21:07.32 | markybob | hax http://www.namestead.com/domains/newsdetail.asp?news_index=105 |
| 21:07.46 | Maulkin | hax: Primarily due to the number of CCTLD registrars out there. |
| 21:07.54 | debiankid | maulkin did you saw the error? |
| 21:08.01 | markybob | hax or http://domains.aplus.net/new_domains.html |
| 21:08.12 | hax | Maulkin: owned ;) |
| 21:08.15 | hax | markybob: ty :) |
| 21:08.26 | Maulkin | hax: You'd need to get it form ICANN, and they just deligate out to the registrars, and don't see the individual registrations |
| 21:08.53 | SlineRs | [v1.0][ http://www.LaLapine.com ][Gooooogle.com Xtra addons] |
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| 21:09.04 | Maulkin | hax: that's not a list of new domains :) |
| 21:09.10 | Losst | sorry but i have a problem, i installed all updates and now when i start to log on he stops at something with devices (the 3. point)and starts from beginning |
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| 21:09.37 | Maulkin | hax: that prepares some keywords and searches for domains, and orders by the last registered date |
| 21:09.42 | goron | Everytime I use udeb, my eth1 is either one NIC, or it's another. This way my static internet just doesn't get configured properly. |
| 21:09.46 | goron | er udev |
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| 21:09.49 | hax | Maulkin: hrmm |
| 21:09.58 | goron | How can I make sure that it Just Works(TM)? |
| 21:10.00 | Maulkin | goron: have a look at ifrename |
| 21:10.08 | Maulkin | goron: That'll work :) |
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| 21:10.41 | debiankid | maulkim did ya saw the paste? |
| 21:10.42 | lgd_ | i go |
| 21:10.45 | lgd_ | good night all |
| 21:10.48 | Maulkin | debiankid: yes |
| 21:10.51 | lgd_ | bay |
| 21:10.54 | goron | Maulkin: But isn't a bit ridiculous that I have to do this? Or is it just because udeb is in Unstable? |
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| 21:10.59 | Losst | sorry but i have a problem, i installed all updates and now when i start to log on he stops at something with devices (the 3. point)and starts from beginning |
| 21:11.00 | Maulkin | 21:07 < Maulkin> debiankid: have you tried "apt-get -f install"? |
| 21:11.02 | hax | Maulkin: are you sure? http://www.namestead.com/new-domains-lists/new_com_051216_domain-name-new-list.txt |
| 21:11.05 | debiankid | maulkin then ? what i have to do ? |
| 21:11.05 | haji | hi all... :D |
| 21:11.13 | haji | is there a way to install debian on a laptop from hdd? |
| 21:11.14 | MyWay | How can i make my logitech mouse work with all the functions? |
| 21:11.23 | hax | Maulkin: now i'm just confused |
| 21:11.28 | MyWay | Is there something for configure it? |
| 21:11.31 | Losst | arr |
| 21:11.31 | haji | i just bought an old toshoiba protege 3480ct |
| 21:11.48 | haji | :D |
| 21:11.50 | haji | anyone? |
| 21:11.56 | koudelka_ | how to share an connection on debian? |
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| 21:12.05 | ma3x | how do I graphically setup the mirrors for apt-get ? |
| 21:12.12 | Maulkin | hax: yes. Try a whois on a few of those domains, they don't exist. |
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| 21:12.14 | goron | What modules do I need for an usb mouse? |
| 21:12.17 | debiankid | yes i tried check this now http://channels.debian.net/paste/1331 |
| 21:12.20 | goron | !usb |
| 21:12.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
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| 21:12.33 | Never^ | I get this error when making af #apt-get dist-upgrade -f ................... -> http://80.166.164.160/download/error.jpg |
| 21:12.34 | Maulkin | ma3x: run synaptic |
| 21:12.49 | hax | Maulkin: oh |
| 21:12.51 | Maulkin | debiankid: run "apt-get -f install" |
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| 21:13.43 | Maulkin | hax: However, if you want to think that there's a list, I'll garruntee to get your site to the top of google for just $199! :P |
| 21:13.59 | koudelka_ | how to share an connection on debian? |
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| 21:14.18 | debiankid | maulkin read the last pasted |
| 21:14.29 | haji | is there a way to install debian from hdd?.... :( |
| 21:14.45 | Maulkin | debiankid: "apt-get update"? |
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| 21:14.54 | revell | hi. i tried to install via the netinstall-CD, but the partitioner keeps hanging at 38% of auto-detection (waited for ~10mins). any ideas / how can i bypass partitioning? |
| 21:14.57 | FourierSeries | ;-) |
| 21:15.09 | debiankid | maulkin nothing happends |
| 21:16.19 | Maulkin | debiankid: do you mean 'nothing'? :) |
| 21:16.19 | ma3x | Maulkin, I don't have synaptic, what do I type in the shell? |
| 21:16.19 | Maulkin | ma3x: apt-setup |
| 21:16.27 | Maulkin | debiankid: Are you running Sid? |
| 21:16.30 | ma3x | Maulkin, it doesnt work! |
| 21:16.45 | goron | What modules do I need for an Logitech USB mouse? |
| 21:16.47 | markybob | ma3x are you root? |
| 21:17.09 | Never^ | Hi, i'm having this problem: http://80.166.164.160/download/error.jpg when making a apt-get dist-upgrade -f what can i do to fix this problem? :) |
| 21:17.11 | Maulkin | goron: Erm... usb-mouse? usb-hid? |
| 21:17.52 | goron | Maulkin: modprobe usb-mouse does not work, while the mouse works with udev. |
| 21:17.54 | Maulkin | Never^: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:17.55 | markybob | Never^: upgrade your kernel |
| 21:18.00 | visik7 | wajig is very cool! |
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| 21:18.11 | markybob | Never^: uname -r shows you what? |
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| 21:18.16 | Maulkin | Oh, sorry, missed the message :) |
| 21:18.26 | Maulkin | Never^: listen to markybob, not me :) |
| 21:18.32 | MyWay | How can i configure my ps2 mouse? |
| 21:18.39 | MyWay | Someone knowns?! |
| 21:18.42 | Maulkin | goron: Not sure, it's always just worked for me. |
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| 21:19.02 | Maulkin | MyWay: probably. How do you 'configure' a mouse? |
| 21:19.09 | MyWay | yes, the same :P |
| 21:19.12 | goron | Maulkin: I got it. |
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| 21:19.19 | goron | Maulkin: It's usbmouse. |
| 21:19.23 | MyWay | how do i configure it Maulkin? |
| 21:19.24 | Maulkin | goron: :) |
| 21:19.25 | goron | Maulkin: Not usb-mouse |
| 21:19.28 | goron | Maulkin: thanks |
| 21:19.32 | js_ | since i enabled pam_ldap, i can't use passwd for local unix accounts.. it just says "passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered" .. what can be wrong? this is over an ssh session |
| 21:19.39 | Never^ | Maulkin, 2.6.8.2 |
| 21:19.40 | goron | Now I can ditch udeb. Yes! |
| 21:19.42 | Maulkin | MyWay: Take a screwdriver to it? Could you be a bit more specific please? |
| 21:19.44 | Never^ | Maulkin, 2.6.8-2 |
| 21:19.44 | goron | er udev |
| 21:19.55 | markybob | Never^: yeah. look up top. see where it says udev requires 2.6.12 ? |
| 21:19.55 | Maulkin | Never^: udev won't work with that kernel |
| 21:20.11 | MyWay | Maulkin: i need configure my mouse, it's a ps2, and the roll doesn't works. |
| 21:20.20 | markybob | Never^: this is why it comes in handy to really read those error messages. tells you up top exactly why it aborted |
| 21:20.21 | Never^ | hmmm is udev crucial for my x.org? |
| 21:20.22 | debiankid | maulkin nothing |
| 21:20.28 | goron | Never^: no |
| 21:20.35 | koudelka_ | how to share an network connection on debian? |
| 21:20.37 | Never^ | yeah well markybob it slipped my eye sorry |
| 21:20.47 | markybob | koudelka_: it's called nat |
| 21:20.56 | goron | Never^: well in theory it could be, but probably not. |
| 21:21.06 | Never^ | well x.org hangs |
| 21:21.18 | koudelka_ | hum |
| 21:21.23 | Never^ | the command to start x.org is still startx? |
| 21:21.24 | koudelka_ | dosent help me |
| 21:21.40 | visik7 | Never^: yes |
| 21:21.42 | koudelka_ | i want to share my wan connection |
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| 21:21.52 | goron | Never^: Did you check the Xorg.0.log file? |
| 21:21.52 | ma3x | markybob, yeah im root |
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| 21:22.02 | markybob | koudelka_: yes. i heard. what you want is nat |
| 21:22.02 | GNULinux | Never^: check /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 21:22.02 | ma3x | there is no apt-setup! |
| 21:22.02 | Never^ | oki |
| 21:22.13 | SlineRs | [v1.0][ http://www.LaLapine.com ][Gooooogle.com Xtra addons] |
| 21:22.42 | markybob | koudelka_: you'd do something like iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:22.49 | DevilChaos | can someone tell me what the java plugins are for epiphany please? |
| 21:22.53 | Never^ | no such file GNULinux hmm |
| 21:23.05 | ma3x | bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 21:23.09 | ma3x | how do i set it up? |
| 21:23.38 | FourierSeries | koudelka_: this may help: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 21:23.58 | GNULinux | my divx player complains to play files burned with cdrecord, i had no problems using k3b before? |
| 21:23.58 | DevilChaos | ma3x:apt-get reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:23.59 | koudelka_ | thx |
| 21:24.09 | koudelka_ | oh wait not that again |
| 21:24.14 | koudelka_ | already seen that one |
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| 21:24.17 | ma3x | DevilChaos, why xserver-xorg???? |
| 21:24.39 | ma3x | comeone somebody tell me how to setup apt-get |
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| 21:24.50 | ma3x | I can't chooose the mirrors |
| 21:24.54 | Maulkin | SlineRs: are you just spamming? |
| 21:24.55 | DevilChaos | oops sorry read wrong line bad for that |
| 21:24.59 | markybob | koudelka_: eth0 is outside connection? eth1 is inside? both interfaces are already configured? |
| 21:25.01 | visik7 | ma3x: google knows |
| 21:25.25 | ma3x | visik7, you google! |
| 21:25.27 | koudelka_ | i got eth1 and pppoe |
| 21:25.27 | debiankid | maulkin then nothing about make work my wine? |
| 21:25.30 | koudelka_ | nothing els |
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| 21:25.35 | markybob | ma3x: why doesnt apt-setup work? tell us specific errors |
| 21:25.45 | MyWay | Someone knowns how can i configure a mouse? |
| 21:25.47 | koudelka_ | eth0* |
| 21:25.51 | MyWay | is there a file to modify or something? |
| 21:25.51 | ma3x | markybob, I told you. command not found! |
| 21:25.59 | visik7 | ma3x: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 21:26.01 | markybob | ma3x then you're not root or you're not in debian |
| 21:26.02 | Maulkin | debiankid: "Are you running Sid?" |
| 21:26.22 | koudelka_ | yes eth0 is outside |
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| 21:26.38 | markybob | koudelka_: which is your internal interface? |
| 21:26.39 | Maulkin | ma3x: "cat /etc/debian_version" for me please |
| 21:26.43 | ma3x | markybob, I am root I AM in debian |
| 21:26.49 | koudelka_ | dont know |
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| 21:26.56 | ma3x | Maulkin, testing/unstable |
| 21:26.56 | koudelka_ | but i got one named "lo" |
| 21:27.03 | visik7 | ma3x: apt-setup is in base-config package |
| 21:27.05 | sajba | what program should i use to remote my desktop thru internet? i use kde |
| 21:27.11 | koudelka_ | guess it's that one |
| 21:27.22 | DevilChaos | koudelka: lo is loopback |
| 21:27.35 | goron | Maulkin: Do you consider it a bug? I.e. when you "upgrade" from gnome-2.8 to 2.10, you get udev, and your network stops functioning. |
| 21:27.36 | markybob | koudelka_: how can i say this....you have two network cards, right? |
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| 21:27.47 | koudelka_ | nope |
| 21:27.48 | koudelka_ | one |
| 21:27.56 | markybob | koudelka_: then what the hell are you trying to share a connection with? |
| 21:27.58 | visik7 | sajba: kde support rdc protocol, one of its own and vnc |
| 21:27.58 | ma3x | base-config is alreay installed |
| 21:28.06 | koudelka_ | another computer |
| 21:28.12 | Maulkin | goron: Nope, you're running etch or sid. |
| 21:28.14 | markybob | i give up |
| 21:28.20 | visik7 | ma3x: reinstall it |
| 21:28.22 | DevilChaos | markybob has koudelka donne ifconfig? |
| 21:28.22 | Maulkin | goron: you need to youdate your kernel |
| 21:28.28 | ma3x | visik7, I wont install it again! |
| 21:28.35 | goron | Maulkin: I run 2.6.14.3...... |
| 21:28.38 | koudelka_ | i want to share my wan connection |
| 21:28.41 | markybob | DevilChaos: feel free to take over. he's giving me a headache :-) |
| 21:28.42 | sajba | visik7 : which one is faster? |
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| 21:28.53 | kspath | ifconfig -a and arp -a can give useful information sometimes |
| 21:28.59 | koudelka_ | my computer sould be a gateway |
| 21:29.03 | goron | Maulkin: So, I don't think there are much newer kernels to be found.... |
| 21:29.14 | visik7 | sajba: vnc is the slower dunno about the kde one , rdc is not bad |
| 21:29.26 | DevilChaos | koudelka: have you a router? |
| 21:29.33 | koudelka_ | switch |
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| 21:29.41 | koudelka_ | and a modem connected to it |
| 21:29.50 | goron | Maulkin: Ok, so basically I can only file bugs for Stable? |
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| 21:29.56 | MyWay | Someone knowns how to configure a mouse? |
| 21:30.00 | goron | Maulkin: that doesn't make sense. |
| 21:30.01 | DevilChaos | koudelka: broadband or dialup? |
| 21:30.03 | Maulkin | goron: no. |
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| 21:30.07 | goron | MyWay: Yes, google. |
| 21:30.07 | koudelka_ | brodband |
| 21:30.09 | koudelka_ | pppoe |
| 21:30.13 | goron | MyWay: I solved the problem once. |
| 21:30.14 | lunitik | MyWay: 2.6? |
| 21:30.20 | Maulkin | goron: However, what exactly is the problem? |
| 21:30.21 | MyWay | tell me how goron please |
| 21:30.22 | FourierSeries | koudelka_: Ok, try this? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 21:30.31 | MyWay | my roll doesn't work |
| 21:30.42 | sajba | visik7 : ok, is rdc installed in kde from start? |
| 21:30.42 | Maulkin | goron: Is it everytime you restart, or every time you change your kernel, or what? :) |
| 21:30.52 | DevilChaos | koudelka: ok so you should have a router whitch is your modem |
| 21:30.54 | debiankid | hey |
| 21:31.10 | DevilChaos | koudelka: it is your gateway |
| 21:31.10 | endri | i've got kernel 2.6.8 Debian 3.1 it doesnt shut down properly. "acpi_power_off called" ive tried noacpi but it doesnt work what should i do |
| 21:31.26 | koudelka_ | how to know what connection im forwarding? |
| 21:31.28 | goron | Maulkin: Situation: I have a working network. Then I install the udev package. Then I reboot. Then I have a 1/x probability of a non-working network. |
| 21:31.29 | visik7 | sajba: dunno I supose of yes |
| 21:31.46 | goron | Maulkin: A good upgrade would install that ifrename thingie. |
| 21:31.56 | goron | Maulkin: *and* configure it. |
| 21:31.57 | FourierSeries | endri: just for the hay of it ... what is your hardware? make & model of your pc? |
| 21:32.07 | sajba | visik7 : what program can i use to connect from win? |
| 21:32.15 | DevilChaos | koudelka: eth0 is your conection |
| 21:32.20 | FourierSeries | sajba: samba? |
| 21:32.28 | goron | Maulkin: do you understand what I mean? |
| 21:32.40 | visik7 | sajba: with rdc the remote desktop client |
| 21:32.40 | sajba | FourierSeries : to rdc???? |
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| 21:32.53 | koudelka_ | but i want to forward ppp0 |
| 21:33.02 | DevilChaos | koudelka: lo is loopback |
| 21:33.04 | sajba | visik7 ok..thnx |
| 21:33.06 | FourierSeries | sajba: Ooh! I may know this! You mean remote desktop clinet? |
| 21:33.14 | DevilChaos | koudelka: what for? |
| 21:33.26 | koudelka_ | thats the wan connectioN? |
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| 21:33.38 | markybob | koudelka_: and you have eth0 connected to the switch? |
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| 21:33.48 | koudelka_ | yes |
| 21:33.53 | docelic_ | Ideas how would I edit a .wmv file ? |
| 21:33.54 | kspath | the modem/router is facing the WAN side already |
| 21:33.57 | markybob | koudelka_: have you assigned eth0 a private ip yet? |
| 21:34.15 | koudelka_ | yes |
| 21:34.18 | koudelka_ | static |
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| 21:34.30 | markybob | koudelka_: type this in as root. iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 21:34.42 | markybob | koudelka_: replace eth0 with ppp0, sorry |
| 21:34.50 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 21:34.52 | koudelka_ | ok |
| 21:34.58 | docelic_ | koudelka_, just apt-get install ipmasq, if I correctly figured what you were up to,,, |
| 21:35.20 | visik7 | sajba: oh sorry |
| 21:35.34 | visik7 | sajba: I say something wrong rdc is not compatible |
| 21:35.40 | DevilChaos | that should be in by default docelic |
| 21:35.42 | visik7 | is rfb |
| 21:35.50 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 21:35.58 | FourierSeries | sajba: try this: google for rdesktop |
| 21:35.59 | cbx33 | is there a way i can reset which packages ahve been marked for installation in aptitude |
| 21:36.00 | cbx33 | ? |
| 21:36.04 | sajba | visik7 : with what? |
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| 21:36.30 | visik7 | sajba: with kde |
| 21:36.41 | visik7 | sajba: there is only the client for linux to connect to windows machine |
| 21:36.43 | visik7 | not the server |
| 21:36.47 | FourierSeries | sajba: and this: http://www.rdesktop.org/ |
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| 21:37.17 | visik7 | kde implements another remote desktop protocol |
| 21:37.33 | sajba | visik7 : ok. so vnc is my only option? |
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| 21:37.41 | visik7 | sajba: no |
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| 21:37.53 | visik7 | sajba: the kde rdesktop proto |
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| 21:38.01 | visik7 | sajba: I think there is a client from windows |
| 21:38.04 | lunitik | visik7: kde implements rdp or whatever... the same protocol Microsoft uses :/ |
| 21:38.16 | goron | Maulkin: ? |
| 21:38.40 | DevilChaos | markybob: do you know what java-plugins i need for epiphany webb rowser |
| 21:38.41 | visik7 | KDE Desktop Sharing is compatible with all regular VNC / RFB clients, including vncviewer. |
| 21:38.59 | visik7 | lunitik: oh ok |
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| 21:39.37 | visik7 | lunitik: rfb is the M$ protocol ? I dunno |
| 21:39.51 | markybob | devilchaos /msg dpkg java-package |
| 21:39.56 | DevilChaos | ty |
| 21:40.00 | sajba | visik7 : but kde desktop sharing ,isnt that vnc? |
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| 21:40.09 | visik7 | sajba: mmm no |
| 21:40.18 | visik7 | sajba: it has 2 procol I think |
| 21:40.26 | visik7 | vnc is supported but also another |
| 21:40.52 | visik7 | I don't use kde so check google that is more accurate than me |
| 21:42.04 | sajba | visik7 :okay |
| 21:42.29 | odla | anyone familiar with xmame? i just downloaded xmame and i have some roms. do i need to point my roms in a specific directory? |
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| 21:43.21 | koudelka_ | hum seems like it didn't work |
| 21:43.36 | Aim_Here | odla, yes |
| 21:43.43 | markybob | koudelka_: that doesnt help. you need to give specifics |
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| 21:43.53 | FourierSeries | odla: look for the "roms" directory ... now that I think about it - there may be a ".xmame" in your home dir for that ... |
| 21:43.53 | koudelka_ | connection not shared |
| 21:44.03 | markybob | koudelka_: any errors when you typed that stuff in? |
| 21:44.06 | koudelka_ | no |
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| 21:44.19 | odla | FourierSeries: there is no roms directory |
| 21:44.26 | odla | but there is a .xmame directory |
| 21:44.29 | bodhisattva | does apt-get log what it does? |
| 21:44.37 | aphexer | i'm trying to install debian using the netinst cd, it already failed several times now. When i try the normal modus (not expert) it seems to go fine but in the end the install goes crazy (probably because it ran out of disk space in /, but i have plenty in /usr and i forgot to mount /var...). Couldn't easily fix it, i'd just reinstall, so i tried expert 2 times now, however it says the cd is not a valid debian cd! how is that possible? |
| 21:44.46 | debiankid | hey bud my xmms dont work |
| 21:44.51 | FourierSeries | odla: what's in .xmame? |
| 21:44.51 | markybob | koudelka_: the others use the static ip you gave eth0 as the gateway? |
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| 21:45.02 | debiankid | what can i do to make my sopundcard working ? |
| 21:45.04 | koudelka_ | yes |
| 21:45.06 | odla | FourierSeries: cfg diff hi inp mem nvram rc sta |
| 21:45.08 | markybob | koudelka_: can they ping it? |
| 21:45.10 | odla | FourierSeries: they're all directories |
| 21:45.16 | debiankid | soundcard i mean |
| 21:45.16 | Maulkin | I guess goron dissapeared whilst I was answering the door then. |
| 21:45.25 | FourierSeries | odla: Ok - hold on ... |
| 21:45.39 | odla | FourierSeries: ok |
| 21:45.42 | koudelka_ | do i need to do some special configuration if its a windows comp? |
| 21:45.51 | markybob | koudelka_: no. can they ping it? |
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| 21:46.40 | koudelka_ | yep 1ms ping |
| 21:46.48 | odla | FourierSeries: i see that with arch linux you put them in /usr/share/xmame/roms |
| 21:46.59 | odla | FourierSeries: but that directory doesn't yet exist |
| 21:46.59 | markybob | koudelka_: do a traceroute to google.com |
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| 21:47.30 | markybob | koudelka_: x that. do a traceroute to capitolcreag.com |
| 21:47.50 | FourierSeries | odla: thats what I thought.. I am also thinking you can dump them somewhere under .xmame ... still looking ... |
| 21:48.16 | koudelka_ | on my comp or the other? |
| 21:48.21 | FourierSeries | odla: is there a /usr/local/share/xmame dir? |
| 21:48.44 | odla | FourierSeries: nope |
| 21:48.48 | markybob | koudelka_: the other. everything i've been saying since you came back has been about the win computer |
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| 21:49.19 | koudelka_ | ok |
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| 21:50.03 | FourierSeries | odla: Ok the heck with this, I'm gonna apt-get xmame & find out. Give me a few minutes ... |
| 21:50.37 | odla | FourierSeries: ok...thanks |
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| 21:50.46 | bodhisattva | does apt-get log what it does? |
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| 21:51.00 | koudelka_ | how to traceroute on win comp >< |
| 21:51.13 | markybob | koudelka_: start->run->cmd->tracert x.x.x.x |
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| 21:54.41 | alys | please - which factoid tells me how to uninstall gdm? (it installed itself on Sarge). Thank you. |
| 21:54.57 | markybob | alys: apt-get remove gdm ? |
| 21:55.13 | alys | thanks markybob - I shall try that... |
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| 21:55.57 | koudelka_ | markybob, thx for all help, but i think i'll have to fix this tomorrow |
| 21:56.21 | odla | FourierSeries: i figured it out |
| 21:56.27 | odla | FourierSeries: /usr/share/games/xmame/roms |
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| 21:56.34 | brox | regularly my x crashes - this is in emacs /var/log/kern.log http://pastebin.com/472297 |
| 21:56.36 | FourierSeries | odla: uh .. /usr/share/games/xmame/roms ... |
| 21:56.48 | FourierSeries | odla: Ah, right ... |
| 21:56.56 | odla | FourierSeries: i need to make my screen bigger though |
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| 21:58.34 | odla | yay! |
| 21:58.39 | odla | ghost and ghouls |
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| 22:00.49 | Cyis | anyone know a better way to save video from a Hi8 camcorder using Composite input than working with xawtv? |
| 22:00.59 | w000 | how do I give a normal user permission to read (and write?) an ntfs mountpoint? |
| 22:01.03 | w000 | through fstab |
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| 22:01.40 | vargux | users... what 's the canel for debian spanish users? |
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| 22:02.01 | vargux | users... what 's the channel for debian spanish users? |
| 22:02.23 | leonardo | and for italian users? |
| 22:02.35 | bodhisattva | #debian-sp? |
| 22:02.52 | vargux | leonardo..maybe..#debian.it |
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| 22:02.59 | vargux | leonardo..maybe..#debian-it |
| 22:03.00 | thingfish | #debian-es |
| 22:03.07 | thingfish | and #debian-it |
| 22:03.13 | thingfish | !es |
| 22:03.13 | thingfish | !it |
| 22:03.15 | vargux | thanks friends! |
| 22:03.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:03.17 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:03.41 | odla | ghost and ghouls |
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| 22:05.17 | odla | FourierSeries: do you know how i can make the screen larger without making it look like shit |
| 22:05.46 | Eulex | !shit |
| 22:05.46 | dpkg | methinks shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 22:06.36 | Eulex | odla, iow, define what you mean by "shit" |
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| 22:06.47 | Larsioaa | Hmm in which package is the command "nc" in? |
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| 22:06.54 | EdibleText | Larsioaa, netcat |
| 22:07.03 | FourierSeries | odla: sorry, no. |
| 22:07.11 | odla | Eulex: hmm...i gess when the letters cease to look like letters but seperate pigments |
| 22:07.38 | Eulex | hmm |
| 22:07.51 | Eulex | screenshot? |
| 22:08.02 | odla | Eulex: you want one? |
| 22:08.03 | aphexer | in expert install mode the installer says the cd is not a valid debian cd, however in normal mode it all works... how can this happen? (using the netinst cd) |
| 22:08.21 | odla | Eulex: i guess i'm expecting prefection from a NES game |
| 22:08.24 | odla | Eulex: it does look pretty good |
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| 22:09.16 | Eulex | odla, heh, ok. well nes games are 256x224 iirc... which probably makes them quite pixely on your screen. |
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| 22:09.48 | odla | Eulex: ok...yeah it's a little pixely not too bad |
| 22:10.22 | Eulex | odla, some emulators enable you to turn on different kinds of interpolation. you could check if your does. |
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| 22:11.13 | Zehez | hallo |
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| 22:13.20 | FourierSeries | heh ... i'll be durned ... missing libGl.so ... |
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| 22:22.46 | _rodrigo_ | Hi! Everybody again! |
| 22:23.00 | odla | ha ha ha...ghost and ghouls |
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| 22:23.56 | phillywhitetrash | hi people, just put sarge on my box for the first time and am verry impressed. bye bye mandrake! |
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| 22:24.21 | pingouin | old game, nice game |
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| 22:24.43 | nissemus | Hello buddies, I have sarge installed, if I want to upgrade to etch should I just change proper sources in sources.list and do update and dist-upgrade? |
| 22:24.52 | _rodrigo_ | Has anyone had problems configuring a eth on 2.6.112? I have installed a 3.1r0a with the kernel 2.6 |
| 22:25.04 | pingouin | nissemus: yep |
| 22:25.12 | pingouin | nissemus: but do you really need to go etch ? |
| 22:25.15 | pingouin | ;) |
| 22:25.20 | Guerin | !phillysmmite phillywhitetrash |
| 22:25.28 | Guerin | !phillysmite phillywhitetrash |
| 22:25.29 | nissemus | pingouin just want to play. |
| 22:25.36 | Guerin | wtf is a mummer |
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| 22:25.51 | nissemus | It's not gonna be a production camp. |
| 22:25.52 | nissemus | *com |
| 22:25.54 | nissemus | p |
| 22:25.59 | _rodrigo_ | .8, i have installed de kernel package 2.6.12 and magically the network does not work |
| 22:26.08 | pingouin | nissemus: if you like to play try unstable ;) |
| 22:26.16 | phillywhitetrash | a mummer? |
| 22:26.18 | pingouin | nissemus: but playing..can mean loose ;) |
| 22:26.29 | nissemus | pingouin too much playing in unstable |
| 22:26.35 | pingouin | :) |
| 22:27.05 | _rodrigo_ | I have googled and nothing... |
| 22:27.10 | nissemus | I like a bit more current packages than in stable but I hate ubuntu. |
| 22:27.21 | nissemus | rodrigo do dhclient |
| 22:27.25 | nissemus | what is the last line? |
| 22:27.34 | nissemus | rod as root ofcourse |
| 22:28.08 | nissemus | pingouin and yes I dont wanna do much backporting. |
| 22:28.35 | phillywhitetrash | anyone here get tightvnc running on sarge? |
| 22:28.37 | _rodrigo_ | nissemus, the problem that dhclient doesn't hear the offers |
| 22:28.42 | plasmoduck | how do I use scp |
| 22:28.50 | blondie | plasmoduck: RTFM |
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| 22:28.59 | plasmoduck | whats the exact string to send a file to another debian box |
| 22:29.02 | blondie | (no really) |
| 22:29.04 | pingouin | nissemus: so you, know how to do it, update you're source list to point you're etch's desire.. |
| 22:29.12 | plasmoduck | no. |
| 22:29.12 | markybob | plasmoduck: man scp |
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| 22:29.15 | blondie | plasmoduck: yes, rtfm |
| 22:29.17 | _rodrigo_ | and if i boot with 2.6.8 all comes back to normality |
| 22:29.27 | davor | hey. can anyone help me mount my iPod nano partition? |
| 22:29.32 | plasmoduck | blondie, justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 22:29.35 | odla | anyone know the program that controls volume in gnome? i'm trying to create a shortcut in my toolbar in icewm |
| 22:29.44 | blondie | plasmoduck: fine, do that then |
| 22:29.47 | plasmoduck | how about you save me 40 minutes |
| 22:29.47 | nissemus | pingouin just wanted to confirm :P |
| 22:29.54 | blondie | instead of wasting our time with stupid questions |
| 22:29.56 | plasmoduck | I am running late |
| 22:30.07 | nissemus | rodrigo are you sure you'r net is not cut? |
| 22:30.07 | _rodrigo_ | is it a 2.6.12 kpkg problem? |
| 22:30.08 | plasmoduck | I can't work it out |
| 22:30.24 | nissemus | rodrigo did you save the old kernel? |
| 22:30.24 | odla | also do you guys know how i can reboot and shutdown from icewm? all i can do is logout or shutdown or reboot from the terminal |
| 22:30.26 | davor | does anyone have an idea how to mount an IPOD NANO? |
| 22:30.28 | blondie | scp file host:/file |
| 22:30.29 | blondie | there |
| 22:30.41 | blondie | >.< |
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| 22:30.49 | nissemus | odla it's easy |
| 22:30.57 | skx | odla: icewm doesn't have options for that - if you use gdm you can enable an option for allowing users to reboot from that screen after icewm exits |
| 22:31.02 | nissemus | make script and add exec bit for it that's it. |
| 22:31.10 | skx | (possibly kdm too - don't use it, don't know.) |
| 22:31.12 | phogg | davor: Since Linux is case sensetive, no. But i heard that iPods generally use FAT32 or HFS+ |
| 22:31.17 | _rodrigo_ | nissemus, yes, when I boot with 2.6.8 the network its OK but xorg not |
| 22:31.31 | odla | skx: yeah it does...if you press alt+ctrl+del |
| 22:31.32 | pingouin | nissemus: nevermind, you right i always ask #debian to be sure before doing some stuff |
| 22:31.34 | nissemus | ipod is on f32 |
| 22:31.41 | odla | skx: it's a shortcut |
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| 22:32.04 | skx | I've been using icewm for years and never noticed that! |
| 22:32.12 | davor | phogg: yeah, mine us using FAT32 and it shows up as a SCSI partition (according to /var/log/messages), but im not sure what it's called in /dev |
| 22:32.33 | odla | nissemus: how do i do it? |
| 22:32.35 | nissemus | davor /dev/sdb or smthing |
| 22:32.36 | plasmoduck | $ scp olka_prom.jpg jsz@192.168.0.1 olka_prom.jpg |
| 22:32.36 | plasmoduck | cp: `olka_prom.jpg' and `olka_prom.jpg' are the same file |
| 22:32.37 | plasmoduck | cp: cannot stat `jsz@192.168.0.1': No such file or directory |
| 22:32.39 | nissemus | odla do what? |
| 22:32.43 | phogg | davor: kernel 2.6? Please say yes. |
| 22:32.51 | markybob | plasmoduck: no, do it exactly like he said |
| 22:32.51 | odla | nissemus: light up the reboot and shutdown buttons in icewm |
| 22:32.58 | odla | nissemus: isn't that what you told me was easy |
| 22:33.06 | phogg | davor: what identifying info shows up in messages? |
| 22:33.11 | skx | plasmoduck: scp olka_prom.jpg jsz@192.168.0.1:olka_prom.jpg - you need the ':' there. |
| 22:33.22 | davor | phogg: 2.4, i was about to upgrade this weekend :S |
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| 22:33.46 | phogg | davor: no matter, it's just more fun if you have sysfs which iirc is a 2.6 thing |
| 22:33.54 | xerophyte | is there any open source software which allow the visitor to build website using browser and drag and drop |
| 22:34.10 | _rodrigo_ | eeyore-, are oyu there? "You are my only hope" (Leia) |
| 22:34.15 | plasmoduck | it won't work because I don't use port 22 |
| 22:34.20 | plasmoduck | so it's havinga fit |
| 22:34.27 | nissemus | odla dunno about icewm but you can make "shortcuts" for that.. just make textfile where reads "halt" give the file exec permission.. and remember to add your user to group that allows ppl to shut donw computer. |
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| 22:34.35 | markybob | plasmoduck: it wouldnt if you'd READ THE MAN PAGE |
| 22:34.36 | phogg | plasmoduck: -P |
| 22:34.39 | nissemus | odla and yes.. dunno about security on that. |
| 22:34.48 | skx | use -P xx to set the port number. |
| 22:34.53 | plasmoduck | yes I did |
| 22:34.54 | skx | man scp is your friend |
| 22:34.57 | davor | this is what is what tail /var/log/messages shows:Dec 20 23:21:54 localhost kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:03.3-3, assigned address 2 |
| 22:34.57 | davor | Dec 20 23:21:54 localhost kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 22:34.57 | davor | Dec 20 23:21:54 localhost kernel: Vendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 1.62 |
| 22:34.57 | davor | Dec 20 23:21:54 localhost kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 22:34.57 | davor | Dec 20 23:23:10 localhost kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
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| 22:34.57 | plasmoduck | thats whatI man |
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| 22:35.06 | pearl | what the hell? |
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| 22:35.14 | markybob | plasmoduck: scp -P PORT olka_prom.jpg jsz@192.168.0.1:/home/plasmoduck/olka_prom.jpg |
| 22:35.15 | davor | srry about that |
| 22:35.18 | FourierSeries | !hell |
| 22:35.18 | dpkg | i heard hell is where it is always schoolies week. |
| 22:35.28 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 22:35.28 | phogg | davor: paste in #flood. |
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| 22:35.40 | _rodrigo_ | has anyone had troubles with network with 2.6.12 ? |
| 22:35.43 | phogg | davor: all I needed was the last line. It tells you: sda |
| 22:35.57 | davor | yep, i tried sda0-4, but none works |
| 22:36.07 | davor | it either says "is not a valid block device" or "does not exist" |
| 22:36.08 | phogg | davor: define "works" and "tried" |
| 22:36.40 | phogg | davor: fdisk says this? |
| 22:36.42 | davor | i typed this (typing on #flood) |
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| 22:37.05 | davor | for that i got this: |
| 22:37.06 | nissemus | _rodrigo_ tell me what is exactly your problem? |
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| 22:38.39 | Travis_ | hi guys, I need help with another shell script, I am trying to create a shell script that will ask for a user name and a password and then it will try to authenticate to ssh server specifed in the script? I don't know howto do this, since ssh asks for a password and you can't specify it in the command? any ideas, PM ME |
| 22:38.41 | plasmoduck | sweet |
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| 22:38.54 | ryan` | how can i list the files owned by a package? |
| 22:39.07 | _rodrigo_ | nissemus, I installed the debian kernel package 2.6.12, which comes in testing, and the network is dead, it doesn't see the dhcpoffers, and if I config manually via ifconfig nothing |
| 22:39.11 | skx | ryan`: look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*packageName*.list |
| 22:39.28 | skx | ryan`: note that won't get all the new files owned by the package, just those in the original .deb file |
| 22:39.34 | peterS | oh SlammerXP left? if he shows up again everyone remember to wish him a happy birthday |
| 22:39.51 | ryan` | skx: there's not a list file for the package I'm interested in. |
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| 22:40.14 | ryan` | (ifupdown) |
| 22:40.14 | skx | rqan`: that sounds .. suprising. If you have the .deb you could run 'dpkg --contents $file' I guess |
| 22:40.17 | nissemus | _rodrigo_ say me you still have the old kernel left? |
| 22:40.25 | ryan` | I don't have the deb |
| 22:40.29 | _rodrigo_ | nissemus, yes I have it |
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| 22:40.41 | skx | ryan`: strange I have a ifupdown.list file on my sarge system here. |
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| 22:40.49 | ryan` | hmm |
| 22:40.52 | ryan` | ther it is. |
| 22:40.55 | ryan` | odd |
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| 22:41.12 | nissemus | if not better luck next time:) You learn form mistakes and this maybe one... ALWAYS remember to backup kernel before installing a new one. |
| 22:41.24 | bucky | _rodrigo_, is the driver for your nic loaded.. ifconfig and see |
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| 22:41.54 | nissemus | ah yes are you shure that networking is enabled in you kernel? |
| 22:42.19 | nissemus | Hmm go to the kernel dir and do make menuconfig |
| 22:42.19 | _rodrigo_ | bucky, I can do it raise up eth0 by ifconfig |
| 22:42.24 | nissemus | check form there if it's allowed. |
| 22:42.30 | _rodrigo_ | nissemus, it's a debian standard kernel package |
| 22:42.40 | stew | _rodrigo_: what ethernet card do you have? |
| 22:42.42 | nissemus | Then it should be. |
| 22:42.44 | bucky | _rodrigo_, to have it on boot do this |
| 22:42.45 | bucky | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
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| 22:42.59 | _rodrigo_ | it's a cnet |
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| 22:43.33 | _rodrigo_ | If I boot with 2.6.8 the network it's fine, but it doesn't start Xs |
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| 22:43.39 | stew | _rodrigo_: do you know what driver it uses or which it used in the old kernel at least? |
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| 22:44.09 | _rodrigo_ | dmfe, let my check |
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| 22:45.11 | Servo888 | Is there a way to limit the max amount of ram an application can use? I'm having a problem with an application having memory leaks (not mine!); and I can't kill it when it takes over my ram because I'm lock out of doing anything (to slow of a harddrive to run from cache). |
| 22:45.32 | FourierSeries | !looser FourierSeries |
| 22:45.40 | omry | Servo888, ulimit |
| 22:45.42 | FourierSeries | oh well |
| 22:45.53 | plasmoduck | how to rename a dir? |
| 22:46.04 | _rodrigo_ | dmfe and tulip, both modules are loaded |
| 22:46.05 | stew | plasmoduck: mv oldname newname |
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| 22:46.11 | _rodrigo_ | it's a Cnet 200 pro |
| 22:46.15 | Servo888 | omry, thank you =-) |
| 22:46.30 | stew | _rodrigo_: you use dhcp or static ip? |
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| 22:46.37 | plasmoduck | cheers big ears |
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| 22:47.14 | _rodrigo_ | dhcp says that sends the discovers but none answers, i can cofig it manually |
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| 22:47.43 | pingouin | is there a way to know the install date/time of a debian |
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| 22:48.00 | stew | _rodrigo_: you can config it manually and it works? do you have more than one nic? could be that they switched orders |
| 22:48.13 | ariston | how is it possible to create debian rescue floppies which uses the current system configuration? |
| 22:48.14 | SerajewelKS | pingouin: not with any certainty |
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| 22:48.30 | pingouin | SerajewelKS: damn.. |
| 22:48.33 | penguin__ | How come IRC was down last week? |
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| 22:48.47 | _rodrigo_ | stew, no it doesn't work, no ping to anything |
| 22:48.49 | SerajewelKS | penguin__: "IRC" doesn't go down, IRC servers do |
| 22:48.50 | pingouin | SerajewelKS: i was looking for a perfect way to know when it has been installeed |
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| 22:48.56 | stew | penguin__: it wasn't |
| 22:48.58 | pingouin | sad |
| 22:48.59 | SerajewelKS | penguin__: if you mean freenode, it was up last week |
| 22:49.00 | FourierSeries | pingouin: ls -l /etc/debian_version manybe? |
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| 22:49.14 | stew | penguin__: http://freenode.net/news.shtml |
| 22:49.22 | penguin__ | I read that. |
| 22:49.29 | SerajewelKS | penguin__: saying that IRC was down is like saying that HTTP was down |
| 22:49.34 | _rodrigo_ | maybe a route problem? |
| 22:49.50 | penguin__ | nuisancebot attack??? |
| 22:50.07 | pingouin | FourierSeries: hmm nice... |
| 22:50.13 | stew | _rodrigo_: is there a reason you need the newer kernel in the first place? |
| 22:50.17 | omry | penguin__, yes. those little bots with 8 legs. they crawl into the wires and bite them. |
| 22:50.41 | _rodrigo_ | stew, the 2.6.8 doesnt start X |
| 22:50.53 | _rodrigo_ | with the 2.6.12 yes |
| 22:50.56 | pingouin | i've will write down next time i do install, the date and check if /etc/debian_version change with upgrade |
| 22:51.09 | stew | _rodrigo_: why doesn't 2.6.8 start x? |
| 22:51.17 | SerajewelKS | _rodrigo_: did you install a video card driver module for 2.6.12 but not 2.6.8? |
| 22:51.41 | _rodrigo_ | its a i810, an i82845G |
| 22:51.44 | stew | pingouin: the machine i'm on new was installed 2 weeks ago and debian_version is from 2004 |
| 22:51.45 | FourierSeries | pingouin: one thing that does not reflect is an upgrade. It was accurate for when i did the initial install tho' |
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| 22:52.26 | pingouin | stew: the same for the date for debian_version |
| 22:52.33 | pingouin | stew: thanks for the info |
| 22:52.36 | FourierSeries | stew: pingouin: AHA! that may be a problem ... |
| 22:52.50 | goron | What's the Windows equivalent of a symbolic link? I want to move all the Document and settings of my C: drive. |
| 22:53.01 | lepton | ariston: the yard package purports to make floppy rescue disks for debian |
| 22:53.04 | SerajewelKS | goron: how is that related to debian |
| 22:53.29 | pingouin | FourierSeries: ok the best..piece of paper/pen writing down the day of install ;) |
| 22:53.41 | chok | Does anyone know if nessus 3.0.0 will be on any of the stable sources sites soon, or should I just download and install from nessus.org? |
| 22:54.05 | FourierSeries | that reminds me ... |
| 22:54.11 | SerajewelKS | chok: no new software goes into stable |
| 22:54.12 | goron | SerajewelKS: I use Debian, and Windows knowledge has suffered. ;) |
| 22:54.34 | SerajewelKS | goron: exactly, Windows knowledge. ask in a Windows-related channel. |
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| 22:55.12 | SerajewelKS | chok: nessus 3.0.0 is not even in experimental yet |
| 22:55.18 | _rodrigo_ | Anyone knows where I can ask about the mistery of the dead-network-kerner? |
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| 22:55.59 | dead-network-ker | IM NOT DEAD YET! |
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| 22:56.14 | chok | SarajewelKS: OK, thanks. I think I'll stick with what I have then. I don't want to junk up my nice clean debian box. |
| 22:56.23 | MyWay | Wich is the plugin that made XMMS play mp3? |
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| 22:56.36 | Tortel | xmms does automaticly |
| 22:56.41 | Tortel | i think] |
| 22:56.41 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: the plugin is builtin |
| 22:56.49 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: or comes in the xmms package |
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| 22:57.00 | MyWay | hm.. for me doesn't works |
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| 22:57.14 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: yes, /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.so is part of the xmms package |
| 22:57.23 | Tortel | is your volume up? |
| 22:57.26 | MyWay | yes |
| 22:57.33 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: sure you're not using redhat? =P |
| 22:57.34 | MyWay | i can listen them with other apps |
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| 22:57.39 | MyWay | no |
| 22:57.57 | MyWay | with alsa it says: |
| 22:58.06 | bucky | !tell MyWay about marillat |
| 22:58.06 | MyWay | check you soundcard is configured properly |
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| 22:58.45 | MyWay | how can i check my soundcard? |
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| 22:58.53 | trev89 | hi.. is it possible to add a second drive to a system without having to lose the filesystem/files on the primary disk? |
| 22:59.06 | MyWay | and why during xmms is playing gaim doesn't sound -_- |
| 22:59.14 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: if other things play mp3s, it's not a soundcard issue |
| 22:59.21 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: can you play ogg vorbis or wav files with xmms? |
| 22:59.31 | MyWay | yes |
| 22:59.42 | franz_ | Hi all does anybody know how to protect sasl of bruteforce attacks? |
| 22:59.49 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: and about gaim, you'll need a sound server or alsa+dmix to have multiple apps use the soundcard at once |
| 23:00.08 | MyWay | SerajewelKS: how can i have it? |
| 23:00.26 | lunitik | MyWay: desktop of choice? |
| 23:00.32 | MyWay | ? |
| 23:00.40 | lunitik | MyWay: you use KDE or GNOME :/ |
| 23:01.01 | MyWay | gnome |
| 23:01.27 | MyWay | i haven't alsa installed think |
| 23:01.33 | orchid | trev89: yes, definately, if your bios sees drive2 you only need to format and mount it to the rest of your system |
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| 23:01.44 | lunitik | apt-get install polypaudio-alsa |
| 23:01.57 | SerajewelKS | !alsa |
| 23:01.57 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 23:02.01 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: ^^^ |
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| 23:02.12 | lunitik | MyWay: then set Gaim to use ESD |
| 23:02.18 | lunitik | MyWay: voila |
| 23:02.53 | trev89 | orchid: is it possible to mount a drive to a pre-existing location? |
| 23:02.55 | MyWay | how i set it to esd? |
| 23:02.56 | Coweater | any idea what would cause my ident daemon to not work? i know it's accepting connections locally, i've even tried it with 2 different daemons, i'm in the dmz on my router, and it has worked in the past, no changes to my knowledge. |
| 23:03.42 | Coweater | and it's gidentd currently, was using pidentd before |
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| 23:04.24 | odla_ | what package do i need to install to get rid of these dependency..libqt3c102-mt |
| 23:04.30 | SerajewelKS | are there any MTAs+POP servers in debian that will do multiple domains and virtual users? |
| 23:04.30 | jason | hi - any eta of debs for KDE 3.5??? |
| 23:04.42 | MyWay | hm now if i press "play" the playlist goes very fast |
| 23:04.43 | SerajewelKS | odla_: you could try libqt3c102-mt |
| 23:04.52 | MyWay | and there is no sound :O |
| 23:04.53 | odla_ | SerajewelKS: i did |
| 23:04.55 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: so configure xmms to use esd too |
| 23:04.57 | FourierSeries | exim4? |
| 23:05.00 | lunitik | odla: /j #debian-kde ... kde odities are... well... odd |
| 23:05.04 | SerajewelKS | odla_: there you go |
| 23:05.16 | odla_ | SerajewelKS: oh i must have spelled it wrong |
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| 23:05.26 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: does that do multiple domains and virtual users? |
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| 23:06.16 | orchid | trev89: yes, but you need to do a few steps, mount drive2 as something temporary, copy drive1/home over to drive2, unmount drive1/home and remount drive2 as /home, theres probably lots of guides on the net for this, but it's not that hard to do if your careful |
| 23:06.30 | FourierSeries | Sememmon: as far as I know ... it can be set up to mail for various domains ... checking virtual users ... |
| 23:06.40 | FourierSeries | whoops |
| 23:06.50 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: as far as I know ... it can be set up to mail for various domains ... checking virtual users ... |
| 23:06.53 | jason | so I have a sqliate database (created using Bibus in window$ --->dont ask <---) for OOo. I wnat to use it with my linux box now (Kanotix) but it won't open the database - says It seems that your database is not compatible with your PySQLite version. |
| 23:07.23 | trev89 | orchid you are one of the good linux people, thanks. |
| 23:07.37 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: here is an example : http://www.xmn-berlin.de/~marte/exim/exim4_mysql_amavis_spamassasin.html |
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| 23:07.57 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: which has a lot more than just virtual users ... |
| 23:07.58 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: thanks, i found one at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/140 |
| 23:08.02 | MyWay | SerajewelKS: i have the same problem with esound |
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| 23:08.13 | MyWay | the playlist goes fast |
| 23:08.16 | MyWay | but no sound :P |
| 23:08.22 | FourierSeries | esound does not support virtual users? |
| 23:08.32 | MyWay | don't know |
| 23:08.34 | orchid | trev89: heh, plenty of those around, anyway google up a guide, make sure you understand what each step does, ask in here with specifics if you get into trouble |
| 23:10.11 | lunitik | MyWay: dude... you should try Ubuntu, seriously :/ |
| 23:10.44 | Skrot | Hi. I've installed autofs, and I'm planning to automount my udev-devices. Now I've got it configured and all, but autofs doesn't seem to detect that any device was plugged in.. how do i debug such things? |
| 23:11.02 | FourierSeries | lunitik: gorf - an old old arcade game. I was sortof talked into installing xmame this evening ... |
| 23:11.15 | MyWay | why ubuntu? |
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| 23:11.18 | lunitik | FourierSeries: haha... big mistake? |
| 23:11.26 | lunitik | MyWay: its idiot proof... |
| 23:11.33 | odla | FourierSeries: what's gorf? |
| 23:11.45 | lunitik | MyWay: you have NO clue... its frustrating me |
| 23:12.04 | FourierSeries | lunitik: well, i did install a wrong version of xmame which confused me.. |
| 23:12.04 | MyWay | what i have to do if you don't know what i can do.. |
| 23:12.23 | lunitik | MyWay: INSTALL UBUNTU, PLEASE! |
| 23:12.29 | MyWay | never |
| 23:12.35 | MyWay | ubuntu sux |
| 23:12.40 | lunitik | MyWay: Debian isn't for you, thats all I know :/ |
| 23:12.40 | MyWay | i already tried it |
| 23:12.58 | MyWay | lunitik: it's my first day on debian. |
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| 23:13.10 | FourierSeries | odla: http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/cvg/vvgl/GORF.html |
| 23:13.13 | MyWay | i don't think you can know it. |
| 23:13.14 | lunitik | MyWay: its exactly the freaking same... wth |
| 23:13.39 | FourierSeries | odla: that's the game that "hooked" me back in my teens ... |
| 23:13.41 | lunitik | MyWay: its just Debian with a preset package set, and a few patches... |
| 23:14.13 | MyWay | lunitik: xmms doesn't play my mp3, that's all i know. |
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| 23:14.25 | fbi | MyWay: so don't use xmms. xmms sucks anyway. |
| 23:14.25 | g3brown | When I install Sarge it is installing for 686. Can I force it to install as 386? |
| 23:14.30 | lunitik | MyWay: cuz you didn't install libmad0 :/ |
| 23:14.37 | odla | FourierSeries: i see...i've been busying myself with mario bros the original |
| 23:14.39 | lunitik | MyWay: same thing on Debian :/ |
| 23:14.54 | MyWay | apt-get is famous doing the depends for itself, or no? |
| 23:15.10 | lunitik | MyWay: Ubuntu uses apt-get :/ |
| 23:15.18 | MyWay | what does this mean.. |
| 23:15.25 | odla | lunitik: why do you want MyWay to use Ubuntu? |
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| 23:15.38 | cyp | ąćłń |
| 23:15.43 | cyp | ąłć |
| 23:16.04 | lunitik | odla: because vanilla debian is over his head imo... he's basically asking #debian to set up his box for him... and has shown evidence that he's not actually learning anything. |
| 23:16.08 | fbi | cyp: go do that somewhere else |
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| 23:16.23 | MyWay | lunitik: give me time. |
| 23:16.25 | lunitik | (ie, someone already told him how to set up sound, and he's asking again now) |
| 23:16.28 | MyWay | i can't learn all in one day. |
| 23:16.30 | franz_ | Hi all does anybody know how to protect sasl of bruteforce attacks? |
| 23:16.38 | odla | lunitik: oh |
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| 23:16.42 | MyWay | lunitik: it doesn't work, oviousoly, no? |
| 23:16.48 | FourierSeries | cyp: come again? |
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| 23:17.11 | MyWay | i'm not stupid that ask things again without reason, omg who i'm talking to. |
| 23:17.48 | fbi | !confuse MyWay |
| 23:17.49 | dpkg | Yes, how are their pineapple today, MyWay? lederhosen of the democracy of tibet with extra ham |
| 23:18.12 | FourierSeries | Ham? |
| 23:18.14 | lunitik | MyWay: just for kicks 'dpkg -l libmad0 | grep ^ii' <-- type that for me, and tell me what it says, thanks |
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| 23:18.23 | lunitik | MyWay: if its still not installed... I'm gonna slap you |
| 23:19.41 | MyWay | lunitik: i personally think, people as you are nice only doing support for windows xp. |
| 23:19.55 | FourierSeries | !xp |
| 23:19.55 | dpkg | Whoooz the man? Bubba is about to run away with your money again! Or ask me about ".NET". XP is not a brand name, it's an emoticon, or http://www.epic.org/privacy/consumer/microsoft/default.html, or <tarzeau> windows xp isn't modern! it's just new, or the best Linux and BSD compatible CPU currently out, or http://www.extremeprogramming.org/, or xtra pr0n, or http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/images/logos/paranoiaxp.jpg |
| 23:19.58 | fbi | MyWay: put lunitik on ignore, drop it, or leave |
| 23:19.59 | lunitik | MyWay: type the command... thanks |
| 23:20.02 | phogg | MyWay: do as the man says |
| 23:20.02 | FourierSeries | wow |
| 23:20.33 | MyWay | fbi: no problem, it's not needed. |
| 23:20.52 | lunitik | MyWay: libmad0 provides mp3 support on linux... type the command! |
| 23:21.08 | MyWay | god, another time! |
| 23:21.20 | MyWay | i ALREADY have it, can you understand it?! |
| 23:21.33 | lunitik | MyWay: show me where else you answered my question.... |
| 23:21.46 | MyWay | omg |
| 23:22.01 | lunitik | MyWay: as root... 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' |
| 23:22.21 | lunitik | MyWay: hit ctrl + c to end the process |
| 23:22.34 | lunitik | MyWay: does that make a noise? or return an error? |
| 23:22.37 | phogg | MyWay: confirm for me: You have your audio driver module loaded, your mixer is set correctly, you can play wav files on the command line and get sound. |
| 23:22.48 | fbi | they've already said, sound works. it's an issue with xmms, he's probably trying to use the xmms alsa plugin and he doesn't even have alsa installed. |
| 23:22.51 | lunitik | phogg: not so fast... ;) |
| 23:22.53 | MyWay | yes phogg |
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| 23:23.07 | lunitik | MyWay: please type what I just told you... thank you |
| 23:23.21 | phogg | MyWay: Do you know if you're using ALSA or OSS? |
| 23:23.24 | MyWay | fbi: i installed it, but i'm not sure it's working correctly, probably not |
| 23:23.27 | MyWay | alsa |
| 23:23.34 | MyWay | if i use oss gaim doesn't sound |
| 23:23.37 | lunitik | MyWay: PLEASE dude... type what I just said |
| 23:23.39 | fbi | MyWay: uname -r |
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| 23:23.44 | odla | !info xmame testing |
| 23:23.50 | odla | !info xmame-x testing |
| 23:23.58 | lunitik | fbi: shush |
| 23:24.01 | dpkg | xmame-x: (X binaries for the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator), section non-free/games, is optional. Version: 0.100-1 (etch), Packaged size: 9190 kB, Installed size: 35756 kB |
| 23:24.02 | phogg | MyWay: what xmms input plugin(s) are loaded? |
| 23:24.03 | lunitik | phogg: shush |
| 23:24.13 | fbi | lunitik: ignore me if you don't like my text. |
| 23:24.14 | MyWay | lt me check a sec |
| 23:24.40 | fbi | MyWay: are you running a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:24.43 | MyWay | cd audio and mpeg |
| 23:24.44 | lunitik | fbi: why are you telling him to check something for XMMS, when he's talking about Gaim... |
| 23:24.46 | MyWay | 2.4 fbi |
| 23:24.47 | phogg | lunitik: if he wont listen to you, maybe he'll listen to me. ANd I need info from step one |
| 23:24.57 | lunitik | fbi: I'm trying to see if his sound even WORKS!! |
| 23:25.07 | fbi | lunitik: because his original problem was xmms not playing audio files? |
| 23:25.13 | fbi | are you fucking blind |
| 23:25.19 | fbi | *plonk* |
| 23:25.27 | lunitik | fbi: ok... still... first step of troubleshooting is the sound card... no? |
| 23:25.32 | fbi | they guy already said his sound works |
| 23:25.35 | lunitik | fbi: maybe I'm mistaken? |
| 23:25.40 | MyWay | my problem is: i need play audio with alsa, because if i use oss gaim doesnt sound :P |
| 23:25.40 | lunitik | fbi: where? |
| 23:25.45 | phogg | lunitik: if he's mistaken we're all screwed |
| 23:25.52 | fbi | MyWay: what kernel version are you running. |
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| 23:26.01 | MyWay | 2.4 (2) |
| 23:26.08 | phogg | MyWay: be sure to set libao to use alsa. /etc/libao.conf. |
| 23:26.13 | lunitik | phogg: hence 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' ... if his sound works... it makes an annoying noise... |
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| 23:26.22 | MyWay | ok phogg i check now |
| 23:26.26 | repp_ | lunitik: your command does not test it properly. |
| 23:26.28 | fbi | MyWay: do you realize that the 2.4 doesn't even come with alsa |
| 23:26.40 | fbi | MyWay: you need to patch your kernel or install a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:26.42 | MyWay | yes fbi, i used synaptic for install it |
| 23:26.49 | MyWay | ah |
| 23:26.54 | lunitik | repp_: actually... umm... yeah it does... although there is a more complex way to check :/ |
| 23:26.54 | MyWay | it can't works with 2.4? |
| 23:27.11 | repp_ | lunitik: right, except it doesn't. Because a sound daemon may have a lock on the device. |
| 23:27.38 | abrotman | is he using alsa ? |
| 23:27.40 | phogg | A pox on sound daemons. |
| 23:27.51 | fbi | MyWay: if you patched your kernel with alsa-modules you are fine |
| 23:27.54 | phogg | abrotman: the matter is up for debate at the moment |
| 23:27.55 | lunitik | repp_: which would give him an error message saying "device in use"... which he would say here... and we can kill esd :/ |
| 23:28.06 | abrotman | phogg: is he *trying* to use alsa ? |
| 23:28.12 | lunitik | repp_: cept umm... I'd bet money he doesn't have a sound daemon... |
| 23:28.13 | MyWay | fbi: i have the same problem with eSound, why? |
| 23:28.22 | abrotman | esound and arts both suck |
| 23:28.26 | fbi | MyWay: i have no idea. |
| 23:28.32 | fbi | yes, they do. |
| 23:28.36 | fbi | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 23:28.42 | repp_ | MyWay: you are now graced with the problem of too many helping hands. |
| 23:28.47 | phogg | abrotman: I am not clear on that. I think he thinks he is using alsa, but I don;t know if he wants it. |
| 23:28.50 | lunitik | abrotman: true... but there are no better sound daemons imo (I'm talking about polypaudio though) |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | alsa ? |
| 23:29.05 | fbi | abrotman: i'm gonna be in philly feb 1st |
| 23:29.11 | MyWay | yes repp_ |
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| 23:29.23 | repp_ | good lord, don't make the guy install weird software; it is best to keep the system as close to "default" as can be. |
| 23:29.29 | lunitik | abrotman: alsa doesn't handle multiple sound card requests... |
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| 23:29.37 | lunitik | abrotman: and dmix just umm... sucks :/ |
| 23:29.47 | abrotman | lunitik: uhm .. yes it does |
| 23:30.02 | MyWay | so what i can do for use xmms for mp3 and gaim working? |
| 23:30.03 | lunitik | abrotman: $50 says it doesn't without a sound daemon! |
| 23:30.20 | lunitik | abrotman: depending on sound card perhaps... :/ |
| 23:30.53 | phogg | MyWay: on the command line, say aplay /path/to/a/wav/file. If you can hear the wav play, you have alsa. If not, maybe not. |
| 23:30.55 | abrotman | lunitik: ask #alsa .. |
| 23:31.20 | MyWay | i had it phogg, because i installed it with synaptic |
| 23:31.26 | MyWay | but it don't works. |
| 23:31.35 | lunitik | abrotman: do this... open up xmms... and idk, mplayer? ... play one... and try to play the other... |
| 23:31.38 | MyWay | infact during: alsaconf it reports some error |
| 23:31.43 | phogg | MyWay: just because you installed it doesn;t mean you have it |
| 23:31.45 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm still at work :) |
| 23:31.48 | lunitik | abrotman: the second reports "sound device in use" |
| 23:32.05 | abrotman | lalalal .. i'm still at work! |
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| 23:32.10 | lunitik | abrotman: k... well, take my word for it... thanks |
| 23:32.20 | MyWay | phogg: i can't use alsa on kernel 2.4 so i think it's not important now :P |
| 23:32.29 | abrotman | lunitik: actually . i won't .. because i have done exactly what you're saying .. ask #alsa |
| 23:32.36 | fbi | MyWay: i just told you. you can patch your 2.4 kernel to use alsa. |
| 23:32.48 | MyWay | yes, but i'm not enough good to do it :( |
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| 23:33.12 | tsuyoshi | what is the point of running fsck manually? |
| 23:33.14 | phogg | MyWay: Then just make sure you sed libao.conf back to OSS. |
| 23:33.23 | fbi | MyWay: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 23:33.32 | lunitik | tsuyoshi: to check the filesystem for errors? |
| 23:33.35 | phogg | tsuyoshi: to repair filesystem corruptions? |
| 23:33.36 | MyWay | ok fbi |
| 23:33.44 | tsuyoshi | lunitik: yes but why can't it be done automatically? |
| 23:34.00 | phogg | tsuyoshi: because it's hard to tell when the best time is to do it |
| 23:34.12 | lunitik | tsuyoshi: umm... it is on crashes or incorrect shutdowns.... |
| 23:34.26 | tsuyoshi | phogg: but I don't know the best time either |
| 23:34.27 | g3brown | What is this file -> '/boot/config-2.6.8-2-386' I want to get the 686 version. How do I do that? |
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| 23:34.30 | abrotman | tsuyoshi: fsck can't figure out all things magically .. sometimes it needs your intervention |
| 23:34.33 | phogg | tsuyoshi: on some occasions it will happen automatically, such as after a forced shutdown when the filesystem was still mounted |
| 23:34.36 | MyWay | ok fbi im dling them |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | g3brown: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 23:34.44 | lunitik | tsuyoshi: but if you've had a box up for 6 months plus... you should probably ensure its ok still... |
| 23:34.53 | MyWay | does i need install other packs? |
| 23:34.56 | tsuyoshi | ok, I think you're confused |
| 23:35.00 | lunitik | tsuyoshi: in a network situation... unexpected data loss is rather annoying. |
| 23:35.06 | tsuyoshi | sometimes, when the system boots up |
| 23:35.07 | fbi | MyWay: no, when it's done run "alsaconf && alsamixer" |
| 23:35.14 | lunitik | tsuyoshi: pretty much a 'better safe than sorry' scenario |
| 23:35.17 | tsuyoshi | fsck runs, and it says it encounters problems it couldn't fix |
| 23:35.23 | tsuyoshi | so it asks for the root password |
| 23:35.25 | litage | where is each user's crontab stored? |
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| 23:35.33 | tsuyoshi | and then I run "fsck -y /dev/whatever" |
| 23:35.37 | tsuyoshi | why is this necessary? |
| 23:35.46 | phogg | tsuyoshi: it depends a lot on what you use the filesystem for. If it gets a lot of writes or operates close to full most of the time a periodic fsck in off hours couldn't hurt. Most of the time I don't bother. |
| 23:36.07 | repp_ | litage: /ver |
| 23:36.16 | repp_ | litage: /var |
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| 23:36.30 | MyWay | im doing it fbi, but i read some error, can't past with this terminal |
| 23:36.32 | phogg | tsuyoshi: because it wants an admin to be there to say "Yes, try to fix that" or "No, don't break that!" |
| 23:36.47 | tsuyoshi | phogg: I don't know what to fix.. all it gives is inode numbers |
| 23:36.58 | MyWay | anyway is going for the volumes now |
| 23:37.04 | tsuyoshi | hmm |
| 23:37.04 | MyWay | it is* |
| 23:37.16 | phogg | tsuyoshi: when in doubt go with the default. Unless your data is really important |
| 23:37.46 | tsuyoshi | if it was really important, I would be backing it up... |
| 23:37.49 | litage | thanks repp_ |
| 23:38.01 | tsuyoshi | I think I'll edit the init script to skip this "run fsck manually" crap |
| 23:38.16 | tsuyoshi | thanks |
| 23:38.19 | FourierSeries | O_o |
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| 23:38.38 | phogg | tsuyoshi: mostly fsck can fix errors correctly. I've lost a couple files after corruption and fscking, but it's rare. In the future use a better filesystem |
| 23:38.40 | MyWay | insmod snd-via82xx failed |
| 23:38.49 | MyWay | setting default volumes... |
| 23:39.06 | abrotman | use modprobe |
| 23:39.10 | abrotman | NEVER use insmod |
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| 23:39.28 | fbi | !cheesesteak phillywhitetrash |
| 23:39.29 | phogg | abrotman: probably a script said that. |
| 23:39.36 | MyWay | yes phogg |
| 23:39.44 | Duelist | phogg: I personally consider it a good idea to fsck everything at least once every 90 days or so as a precaution |
| 23:39.46 | abrotman | phogg: a script written by a smart person should know better |
| 23:39.56 | Duelist | especially on older hardware |
| 23:40.00 | abrotman | !phillysmite phillywhitetrash |
| 23:40.12 | fbi | giant clothespin? wtf |
| 23:40.15 | MyWay | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default : no such device |
| 23:40.18 | phillywhitetrash | i love cheesesteaks |
| 23:40.25 | fbi | abrotman: are you gonna loan me that umbrella hat when i get there |
| 23:40.29 | MyWay | what i do now fbi? |
| 23:40.34 | fbi | i'll rock that thing at all the bars on south street |
| 23:40.41 | phogg | Duelist: I do it every half a year on high traffic FSs and less on more static FSs. Unless I have some reason to suspect something. |
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| 23:40.52 | fly_80 | notte a tutti |
| 23:40.55 | abrotman | fbi: the clothespin at Love park |
| 23:41.01 | fbi | MyWay: i don't know. install a 2.6 kernel and reboot |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | fbi: google "love park clothespin" |
| 23:41.06 | fbi | abrotman: ah |
| 23:41.16 | abrotman | fbi: sure .. if you want oyur picture taken in it :) |
| 23:41.18 | fbi | no i'm familiar with love park |
| 23:41.25 | phillywhitetrash | anyone here get tightvncserver up on sarge? |
| 23:41.29 | repp_ | MyWay: you are running on a desktop machine yes? |
| 23:41.41 | MyWay | yes |
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| 23:42.24 | repp_ | MyWay: I would strongly recommend kernel 2.6 then. It is much better for desktops than 2.4. I use 2.6 every day on my laptop and on my servers. |
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| 23:42.29 | fbi | MyWay: dpkg -l alsa-base | grep ii |
| 23:42.38 | MyWay | ok |
| 23:42.55 | Azar | I keep forgetting how to unpack a deb package, is that dpkg -l ? |
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| 23:43.00 | fbi | MyWay: actually wait. what soundcard are you running |
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| 23:43.16 | fbi | Azar: dpkg -i foo |
| 23:43.22 | abrotman | Azar: install or unpack ? |
| 23:43.26 | MyWay | ii alsa base 1.0.8.7 alsa driver configuration files fbi |
| 23:43.27 | Azar | thanks fbi, I will write it on my wall |
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| 23:43.36 | Azar | abrotman I have a deb for proshield |
| 23:43.36 | abrotman | !tell azar about refcard |
| 23:43.40 | MyWay | hm ac'97integrated soundcard fbi |
| 23:43.53 | lunitik | Azar: its not hard to remember... dpkg -i for install :/ |
| 23:44.02 | phogg | wonderful |
| 23:44.04 | fbi | MyWay: run "alsaconf" by itself, tell me what happens |
| 23:44.09 | MyWay | ok |
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| 23:44.29 | lunitik | MyWay: /exec -o lsmod | grep audio |
| 23:44.32 | MyWay | alsa configurator |
| 23:44.38 | MyWay | and i have to press OK |
| 23:44.43 | fbi | MyWay: does it see your soundcard and load the module ? |
| 23:44.44 | abrotman | lunitik: NOT IN HERE |
| 23:44.53 | poop | Which DVD player Just Works in debian? |
| 23:44.58 | MyWay | now it's searching |
| 23:44.58 | lunitik | abrotman: it outputs one line dude :/ |
| 23:45.01 | fbi | poop: they all do |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | !tell poop about mplayer |
| 23:45.06 | abrotman | lunitik: you think it will .. |
| 23:45.07 | lunitik | abrotman: enless he has 2 cards.... |
| 23:45.10 | MyWay | and find my soundcard |
| 23:45.11 | Azar | \0/ thanks! |
| 23:45.17 | MyWay | via82xx |
| 23:45.20 | poop | fbi: hah |
| 23:45.22 | MyWay | and i press OK |
| 23:45.37 | MyWay | do you want to modify ect ect and i press yes |
| 23:45.37 | pawdro | can anyone knows repos for dcpp? |
| 23:45.43 | fbi | poop: i wasn't kidding. xine, mplayer, ogle, okle, totem, they all run fine on my desktop. |
| 23:45.51 | MyWay | ok sound driver is configured |
| 23:46.12 | MyWay | alsa configurator will prepare the card for playing now |
| 23:46.13 | poop | fbi: Where do you get them? |
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| 23:46.23 | MyWay | and i press OK again |
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| 23:46.26 | abrotman | poop: apt-cache search .. |
| 23:46.34 | Azar | that refcard is only on pdf? :( |
| 23:46.35 | fbi | poop: apt-cache search dvd player |
| 23:46.36 | poop | abrotman: I didn't ask you ;) |
| 23:46.46 | MyWay | and now there are some errors |
| 23:46.53 | poop | The ones I install with apt-get all spew endless crap and Don't Work. |
| 23:47.06 | fbi | poop: you're probably missing a library or two |
| 23:47.08 | MyWay | after the errors it says: setting default volumes |
| 23:47.09 | Azar | poop then it will not work for you |
| 23:47.11 | threat | LDAP hates me :( |
| 23:47.27 | charwood | I built a new kernel 2.6.14 in order to get this stupid ATI card to work and I can't boot that kernel. It fails when it tries to run /bin/cat because /sys/block/hda/dev can't be found. |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | poop: ok .. fine .. have someone else tell you |
| 23:47.32 | fbi | MyWay: the errors would help. |
| 23:47.36 | threat | when I change the index in /etc/ldap/slapd.conf I can go longer do a search :( |
| 23:47.37 | threat | WTF! |
| 23:47.40 | MyWay | ok fbi |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | threat: #ldap ? |
| 23:47.50 | fbi | MyWay: don't paste a hude msg in here |
| 23:47.53 | poop | Why didn't I buy a mac for this |
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| 23:47.56 | fbi | s/hude/huge/g |
| 23:48.19 | charwood | Does that sound like I missed a step while compiling or like the make-dpkg did something bad or like I missed some necessary config options? |
| 23:48.23 | fbi | wtf does buying a mac have to do with watching a dvd. |
| 23:48.27 | MyWay | Hint: insmod error can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IQ parameters |
| 23:48.29 | MyWay | irq* |
| 23:48.39 | MyWay | what's s/hude/huge/g fbi? |
| 23:48.53 | fbi | MyWay: is your soundcard plugged into the slot right next to your AGP slot? |
| 23:48.57 | charwood | substitute hude for huge |
| 23:48.58 | abrotman | fbi: don't you know .. macs play pirated DVDs :) |
| 23:49.03 | fbi | haha |
| 23:49.15 | MyWay | it's internal soundcard |
| 23:49.18 | MyWay | integrated fbi |
| 23:49.20 | MyWay | not external |
| 23:49.21 | MyWay | :P |
| 23:49.21 | fbi | ah. |
| 23:49.34 | fbi | i don't know. install a 2.6 kernel and reboot. |
| 23:49.40 | MyWay | ok |
| 23:50.02 | fbi | my head is hurting from all this 2.4 kernel nonsense |
| 23:50.20 | threat | abrotman, I think its a debian problem :) |
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| 23:50.39 | MyWay | why debian isn't default 2.6 fbi? i installed many's distribution and all had 2.6 now :O |
| 23:50.47 | abrotman | just install 2.6 .. |
| 23:50.47 | charwood | Anyone know why I might be getting those errors booting a newly compiled kernel (can't find /sys/block/hda/dev) |
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| 23:50.58 | fbi | MyWay: the debian installer will give you a 2.6 kernel if you want one. |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | MyWay: if you had read the install guide .. you could have had a 2.6 to start with |
| 23:51.07 | abrotman | MyWay: what's your CPU ? |
| 23:51.14 | MyWay | 850mhz |
| 23:51.24 | litage | this msg keeps appearing in auth.log: "sudo: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost= user=scopserv" how can i determine what command is trying to be run? |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | PIII ? AMD ? |
| 23:51.29 | MyWay | amd |
| 23:51.36 | abrotman | that's a K7 right? |
| 23:51.41 | MyWay | yes |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | MyWay: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:51.47 | _rodrigo_ | I figured out what was happening with the network |
| 23:51.57 | MyWay | ok abrotman |
| 23:51.57 | fbi | !prize _rodrigo_ |
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| 23:52.28 | _rodrigo_ | thanks!!! but I haven't finished yet... |
| 23:52.46 | _rodrigo_ | it was the udev package, if i remove it it works |
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| 23:53.03 | fbi | udev is the udevil. |
| 23:53.28 | _rodrigo_ | I reintall the hotplug package, then purge it and now the net is up but... |
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| 23:54.01 | _rodrigo_ | X doesn't start!! kdm is down!! I think it's udev-related, any hint? |
| 23:54.15 | MyWay | do i will have some new problem with this kernel? like mouse or something? :P |
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| 23:54.45 | fbi | MyWay: reboot and find out. if it doesn't finish booting, boot your 2.4 kernel. |
| 23:55.03 | MyWay | :O |
| 23:55.03 | MyWay | how? |
| 23:55.05 | MyWay | :P |
| 23:55.06 | Azar | MyWay newer and higher kernel versions give more support for hardware |
| 23:55.11 | MyWay | tell me now how to do in case it doesn't work |
| 23:55.13 | pawdro | which dc client do u recommend |
| 23:55.15 | pawdro | ? |
| 23:55.26 | fbi | MyWay: how to do what? |
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| 23:55.32 | MyWay | start the 2.4 |
| 23:55.42 | MyWay | if the 2.6 doesn't works |
| 23:55.42 | Azar | bf 2.4 |
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| 23:55.47 | fbi | MyWay: you power down and reboot if the 2.6 kernel panics |
| 23:56.00 | fbi | MyWay: your 2.4 kernel will still be in the grub menu. |
| 23:56.07 | MyWay | ah ok |
| 23:56.23 | MyWay | ok finished, i go |
| 23:56.40 | fbi | like pulling teeth with this guy |
| 23:56.45 | fbi | i need an ibuprofen |
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| 23:57.25 | g3brown | I built a kernel object (drivers) for my marvell sata controller. It appears they build for 386 and not 686. It is possible the drivers are for 386 only? |
| 23:57.34 | Azar | sigh usually how many days until all upgrades get to the mirrors? I am impatient.. |
| 23:57.53 | fbi | !beer me |
| 23:57.58 | abrotman | fbi: may i recommend some thc? :) |
| 23:58.03 | fbi | oooeeeeeeer. |
| 23:58.24 | fbi | abrotman: you need to come out and see j smooth play in feb. |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | fbi: i need to come out some where .. i need a damn vacation |
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| 23:59.22 | fbi | abrotman: i meant out in philly |
| 23:59.28 | Azar | wow this is sooooo slow Debian just put the update on its site ... |
| 23:59.29 | fbi | that's not much of a vacation for you hehehehe |
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| 23:59.44 | abrotman | fbi: oh ok |
| 23:59.47 | MyWay | re hi |
| 23:59.48 | abrotman | MyWay: did it work!?!?!?!?!? |
| 23:59.49 | MyWay | im back with 2.6 |
| 23:59.51 | MyWay | yes |
| 23:59.54 | buu | Hrm. I'm running mutt fine under one user, but when I su to another user and run mutt, it tries to read mail/etc from the first user. How do I make it work for the new user? |
| 23:59.57 | fbi | MyWay: run "alsaconf" |
| 23:59.59 | MyWay | ok |
