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| 00:00.23 | buu | Ah, never mind. I found it. |
| 00:00.37 | petemc | buu: su - |
| 00:01.12 | MyWay | fbi: now i didn't see errors |
| 00:01.24 | fbi | MyWay: good. now set your alsamixer levels |
| 00:01.33 | MyWay | ok |
| 00:01.34 | fbi | MyWay: after that, try and play an audio file in xmms |
| 00:02.08 | MyWay | fbi: you are going to be my new idol :O |
| 00:02.09 | MyWay | it works! |
| 00:02.13 | FourierSeries | mutt -f /var/mail/$USER |
| 00:02.26 | buu | petemc: Yar, thanks. |
| 00:03.17 | Azar | I am trying to get the today's update on mozilla-firefox, sudo and others and I keep getting that I already have the latest ones.. |
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| 00:04.44 | Azar | I guess I did a superfantastic installation if I have all up to date :) |
| 00:04.47 | MyWay | i have a last question for futhure: when i installed debian 3.1 r0a, it didn't asked me for the kernel, in futhure how can i do for install the 2.6 and not the 2.4? |
| 00:05.00 | MyWay | i did the netinstallation |
| 00:05.14 | fbi | MyWay: you read, and hit F1 and F3 for special boot methods |
| 00:05.14 | litage | if an attempt to run a command through sudo fails, how can you log the full command to auth.log? |
| 00:05.17 | abrotman | MyWay: linux25 |
| 00:05.18 | abrotman | MyWay: linux26 |
| 00:05.27 | MyWay | what is linux25 and 26? :O |
| 00:05.32 | Azar | MyWay is good to start with 2.4, to avoid problematic conflicts of hardware drivers modules, then go up to 2.6 |
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| 00:05.42 | MyWay | oh ok Azar |
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| 00:06.28 | Smoked1 | where in main.cf would I tell postfix to allow user to be able to login remotely to send mail? |
| 00:10.32 | Buddha| | How long does it usually take for a new version of a desktop environment to become available in Sid? |
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| 00:12.03 | MyWay | wich p2p program do you guys use? :P |
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| 00:12.28 | abrotman | Buddha|: like what ? |
| 00:12.29 | FourierSeries | Mute? |
| 00:12.40 | Buddha| | abrotman - Gnome or KDE |
| 00:12.45 | mr_clark | HI guys/gals. which 'arch' CD would I download for the Intel Xeon EM64T processors? |
| 00:12.47 | abrotman | Buddha|: it depends ... :) |
| 00:12.49 | MyWay | hm isn't mute too slow, because of anonimity? :P |
| 00:12.55 | abrotman | mr_clark: do you want pure64 or 32bit ? |
| 00:13.00 | mr_clark | 64 |
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| 00:13.05 | abrotman | !tell mr_clark about amd64 |
| 00:13.41 | endri | i've got kernel 2.6.8 Debian 3.1 it doesnt shut down properly. "acpi_power_off called" ive tried noacpi but it doesnt work what should i do |
| 00:14.20 | MyWay | how you shutdown it endri? |
| 00:14.27 | endri | halt |
| 00:14.57 | endri | is that importat myway ? |
| 00:15.02 | MyWay | no |
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| 00:15.10 | MyWay | i'm a noob endri :P |
| 00:15.30 | endri | :) |
| 00:15.32 | MyWay | i read about someone that can't use shutdown halt because of bios, but i don't think it's ur case :P |
| 00:16.12 | endri | my compiuter is sony b1xp |
| 00:16.19 | botsy__ | what's the better between apache 1.3 and apache 2 ? |
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| 00:16.30 | endri | i hope not |
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| 00:16.38 | charwood | I apt-got kernel-image-2.6-k7 and it failed to boot in precisely the same way my custom compiled 2.6.14. |
| 00:16.42 | resiak | !better |
| 00:16.42 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 00:17.02 | botsy__ | more secure ... |
| 00:17.17 | MyWay | endri: fbi can know it, he's my new idol :P |
| 00:17.21 | resiak | botsy__: Neither |
| 00:17.55 | charwood | Can anyone tell me why I would get a "/sys/block/hda/dev" does not exist? |
| 00:18.01 | botsy__ | resiak, lol ... |
| 00:18.06 | endri | can u help me fbi ? |
| 00:18.09 | bucky | apache2 is more secure but you need to know how to use the new syntax for directorys, locations and virtual hosts... and the config files are spread out in /etc/apache2 |
| 00:18.19 | charwood | Can someone tell me what /sys/block/hda/dev is? Is that like a ram disk that is used to boot the system that can't find my hard drive? |
| 00:18.36 | resiak | bucky: _How_ is it more secure? Please, give me one valid, backed-up reason. |
| 00:19.23 | bucky | resiak, it's really just more secure in the way it's set up by default... you can turn off directory browsing and all that in apache 1.3 if you bother to |
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| 00:20.46 | wobbler | charwood: see the /topic |
| 00:21.25 | charwood | Yes I'm looking at the Yaird bug list now. |
| 00:21.33 | charwood | Yikes. I guess that's what you get for being in 'unstable'. |
| 00:21.49 | charwood | And all i wanted was my ATI card to give me a little acceleration. |
| 00:21.52 | resiak | bucky: Directory browsing is on by default in apache2. So that's not a good reason. |
| 00:21.58 | wobbler | charwood: yup |
| 00:22.10 | bucky | no it's not |
| 00:22.23 | bucky | resiak, since when am i on trial here anyway |
| 00:22.28 | resiak | bucky: Yes, it is. I have only just installed apache2 on my laptop, and, trust me, directory browsing is enabled. |
| 00:22.38 | bucky | resiak, then you changed it |
| 00:22.40 | FourierSeries | "thttpd!" |
| 00:22.41 | resiak | bucky: I did not... |
| 00:22.48 | resiak | bucky: Because you made an unfounded assertion. |
| 00:22.58 | bucky | resiak, what are you running.. ubuntu? |
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| 00:23.07 | resiak | bucky: Etch. But whatever, I guess. Let's just leave this. |
| 00:23.12 | bucky | fuck you |
| 00:23.21 | resiak | ! *plonk* |
| 00:23.22 | dpkg | i guess plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
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| 00:23.33 | resiak | Hmm, that wasn't quite what I wanted to happen. |
| 00:23.44 | dscener | Anyone know of an audacity channel? It's recording things way too.. deep. Any ideas? |
| 00:23.49 | charwood | Thanks all. |
| 00:23.51 | MyWay | wich is more easy ubuntu or kubuntu? :P |
| 00:23.54 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 00:23.55 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 00:24.10 | endri | i've got kernel 2.6.8 Debian 3.1 it doesnt shut down properly. "acpi_power_off called" ive tried noacpi but it doesnt work what should i do |
| 00:24.17 | FourierSeries | !kubuntu |
| 00:24.18 | dpkg | kubuntu is probably ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu |
| 00:24.23 | FourierSeries | heh |
| 00:24.26 | zinx | dscener: your sound card probably only supports recording at a higher rate than you're telling it, and it's not telling audacity |
| 00:24.28 | MyWay | :P |
| 00:24.38 | Azar | what all these sarge4, sarge2 , sarge1 means on such line: ethereal-common updates 0.10.10-2sarge4 |
| 00:24.43 | obtix | ok, so i got a new 200 gb drive and it is on a seperate eide interface. debian sees the new drive as /dev/hdf i used cfdisk to make it a vfat partion and did the proper dd command "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdf1 bs=512 count=1". however, when i try to mount thedrive i got FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors; VFS: can't find a valid fat filesystem on dev hdf1 |
| 00:24.45 | zinx | dscener: try recording at 48kHz or 44.1 kHz or 22.05kHz (in that order) |
| 00:24.45 | dvs | endri: Load the acpi kernel module |
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| 00:25.23 | endri | dvs can u tell me how |
| 00:25.32 | MyWay | FourierSeries: you know apps voip like skype, ineen, firefly, is a program that can talk with them all? |
| 00:25.33 | dvs | endri: modprobe acpi (as root) |
| 00:25.38 | resiak | Azar: Revisions of that version within Sarge. |
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| 00:25.53 | Azar | thanks resiak |
| 00:26.03 | resiak | Azar: You're welcome. |
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| 00:26.12 | MyWay | is there* |
| 00:26.19 | inkypinky | can someone please provide me some pointers on how to mount a dmraid partition? My /dev/mapper/ directory just has 1 file in it called control and dmraid can see my intel fakeraid device |
| 00:27.06 | endri | dvs :it should halt now normaly ? |
| 00:27.20 | obtix | ok, so i got a new 200 gb drive and it is on a seperate eide interface. debian sees the new drive as /dev/hdf i used cfdisk to make it a vfat partion and did the proper dd command "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdf1 bs=512 count=1". however, when i try to mount thedrive i got FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors; VFS: can't find a valid fat filesystem on dev hdf1 |
| 00:27.23 | dvs | endri: It should |
| 00:27.52 | astronut | obtix: uhh..you zerod out your file system? |
| 00:27.58 | astronut | why would you use that dd command? |
| 00:28.01 | astronut | that's to wipe a drive |
| 00:28.04 | astronut | not to set it up |
| 00:28.07 | endri | dvs :thnx |
| 00:28.23 | obtix | astronut so how do i set it? its what the man cfdisk told me |
| 00:28.30 | astronut | ...weird |
| 00:28.35 | astronut | man mkfs.vfat |
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| 00:28.42 | obtix | astronut let me look |
| 00:29.20 | petemc | i dont think mkfs.vfat will work for a 200gig volume |
| 00:29.20 | FourierSeries | MyWay: I was thinking about trying Skype, but that is as far as I have gone with VOIP. |
| 00:29.26 | obtix | astronut got it, thanks! |
| 00:29.38 | astronut | obtix: welcome |
| 00:29.53 | astronut | you may want to file a bug against cfdisks man page perhaps |
| 00:30.00 | astronut | can you tell me where it said that? |
| 00:30.02 | MyWay | :P |
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| 00:30.21 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 00:30.26 | obtix | astronut under DOS support in the man page |
| 00:30.28 | Azar | now that I just received my new Debian Sarge CDs I was thinking: would be nice if a small booklet would have been submitted with , I d pay extra for it. |
| 00:30.30 | bucky | resiak, because there is a RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ directive in the default setup of apache2 you can't browse the contents of /var/www ..so yes you did change it |
| 00:30.31 | astronut | obtix: ah, i see it |
| 00:30.38 | astronut | obtix: ya, that was before formatting it |
| 00:30.43 | MyWay | i go, see you, thanks fbi |
| 00:30.46 | astronut | if you're using dos format |
| 00:30.48 | astronut | which you're not |
| 00:30.59 | astronut | you used mkfs |
| 00:31.13 | Seb | i have say 4 DIVX's, and I'd like to make a video DVD out of them, with a basic menu to access them, is there any tutorial/tool that'd make this easy, or almost ? |
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| 00:31.20 | obtix | astronut gotcha, thanks! |
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| 00:32.37 | endri | dvs: i tried it didn't |
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| 00:33.29 | dvs | endri: That's all I had to do. That and make sure that it's enabled in my BIOS |
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| 00:34.35 | endri | dvs: can u tell me how can i make sure |
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| 00:34.55 | dvs | endri: It's different for each motherboard. |
| 00:34.59 | mind | hi all |
| 00:35.38 | bucky | resiak, so who died and made you God today? |
| 00:35.40 | mind | i get an error during the libpango-1.0-common installation |
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| 00:38.04 | mind | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1334 |
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| 00:42.13 | aalex | hey |
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| 00:43.05 | aalex | if i upgrade to linux-headers-2.6.14.... will i need to compile again that nvidia driver kernel module ? |
| 00:44.05 | benjamindees | why do you need to upgrade the kernel headers? |
| 00:44.47 | benjamindees | in general they should match the kernel you are using |
| 00:45.05 | aalex | benjamindees: i just want to do apt-get upgrade |
| 00:45.14 | aalex | but this package appears |
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| 00:45.20 | aalex | i am on unstable |
| 00:45.26 | KerPlunk | When does firefox 1.5 go into testing? |
| 00:45.36 | benjamindees | aalex, oh, no they don't matter |
| 00:46.21 | KerPlunk | Those BitchX quit messages are annoying. |
| 00:46.23 | benjamindees | aalex, but if you upgrade kernel-image then yeah you probably need to rebuild the nvidia driver |
| 00:46.26 | KerPlunk | damn all BitchX developers. |
| 00:46.44 | dvs | KerPlunk: Bitch at them |
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| 00:47.55 | trev89 | how do i hide folders and files from normal user accounts? |
| 00:48.06 | inkypinky | under debian where can I put any user commads that need to get executed before the login prompt shows up and after all the services have started |
| 00:48.07 | remedy | hi so i upgrade from sarge to etch now i cant get into my console, common problem? what's causin it? |
| 00:48.17 | Xenguy | trev89: man chmod and man chown |
| 00:48.18 | remedy | kernel support? |
| 00:48.28 | aalex | inkypinky: etc/init.d |
| 00:48.35 | benjamindees | trev89, remove read/execute access with chmod |
| 00:48.38 | aalex | inkypinky: put it last |
| 00:48.44 | aalex | am i right, guys ? |
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| 00:49.16 | dvs | yay! |
| 00:49.17 | aalex | remedy: more info pleez |
| 00:49.38 | benjamindees | not quite, it has to go in the appropriate runlevel, /etc/rc2.d for instance |
| 00:50.20 | aalex | oh |
| 00:50.25 | remedy | aalex: i dont know what info to give.. i had a default sarge install, now i apt-get dist-upgrade to etch.. and i cant get from X->console... 2.4.27-2-386 is the kernel i have installed, and that's what im running by default.. perhaps there's no support in the kernel? |
| 00:50.39 | inkypinky | aalex: last ?? what runlevel and what SXXusercommand |
| 00:51.22 | remedy | oh wait.. there is support, because if i dont start X i can get into all the console tty's.. an X config problem perhaps? |
| 00:51.22 | aalex | remedy: have you got a nvidia graphic card? |
| 00:51.29 | remedy | aalex: indeed i have |
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| 00:51.53 | remedy | using the nvidia module |
| 00:52.35 | aalex | inkypinky: i dont know, i think benjamindees has the truth for you |
| 00:52.41 | SerajewelKS | remedy: have you compiled the nvidia kernel module? |
| 00:52.56 | gcoppini | trev89, Put a dot in start of the name of file/folders :) |
| 00:53.06 | remedy | SerajewelKS: yeas |
| 00:53.06 | aalex | remedy: you can start x, but not kill it, but you can switch sessions using alt-ctrl-fkeys? |
| 00:53.18 | SerajewelKS | remedy: and 'modprobe nvidia' succeeds? |
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| 00:53.44 | Seb | any command-line way to convert xvids to regular mpegs ? |
| 00:53.54 | SerajewelKS | remedy: wait, what exactly is the problem you're having |
| 00:53.55 | Guerin | Seb: transcode |
| 00:53.59 | remedy | aalex: no, i cant switch sessions using ctrl-altfx keys.. thats the problem, i can kill X with ctrl-alt-backspace and i get into other tty's fine |
| 00:54.01 | benjamindees | Seb, yeah transcode |
| 00:54.05 | SerajewelKS | Seb: or mencoder |
| 00:54.10 | Seb | Guerin, benjamindees: thanks |
| 00:54.10 | Guerin | Seb: but of course, xvid IS regular mpeg |
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| 00:54.11 | remedy | SerajewelKS: read up, nvidia module works fine for X |
| 00:54.21 | SerajewelKS | remedy: right, so what's the problem then |
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| 00:54.33 | remedy | (01:28) < remedy> aalex: no, i cant switch sessions using ctrl-altfx keys.. thats the |
| 00:54.36 | remedy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.39 | remedy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:54.45 | inkypinky | benjamindees: what run level would u suggest I place a symlink to the my file called usercommand |
| 00:54.49 | Seb | Guerin: i meant avi to mpeg, my bad |
| 00:54.50 | aalex | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.56 | aalex | #flood, i meant |
| 00:55.00 | remedy | SerajewelKS: my problem is i cant get into my console since i upgraded. |
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| 00:55.18 | Guerin | Seb: avi is a container format; mpeg is a format specification - they're not the same |
| 00:55.20 | benjamindees | inkypinky, put the file in /etc/init.d, put a link to it in /etc/rc2.d, as S99usercommand |
| 00:55.28 | SerajewelKS | remedy: sounds like a keymap issue.. |
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| 00:55.53 | wayne_ | i have a problem where I cannot acess a directory i have permissions on. when I do a 'ls -l' i get these permissions "?---------- ? ? ? ? ?" |
| 00:55.58 | Seb | Guerin: heh, I'll admit I know little about video format/sencodings, but for sure my files are not in the right fdormat right now cause dvdstyler doesn't want to accept them :) |
| 00:55.59 | wayne_ | has anyone had this problem |
| 00:56.03 | remedy | SerajewelKS: specific to gnome, or X keymap? |
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| 00:56.18 | SerajewelKS | remedy: possibly kernel keymap |
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| 00:56.26 | SerajewelKS | remedy: or X.. i'm not sure |
| 00:56.43 | blah1545 | wayne: Did you chmod 0 foo? |
| 00:56.44 | SerajewelKS | remedy: when you went from stable to testing you got X.org instead of XFree86, which might have something to do with it |
| 00:56.47 | abrotman | remedy: what is your keyboard layout? |
| 00:56.56 | remedy | abrotman: en_GB |
| 00:57.24 | remedy | SerajewelKS: i realise i moved to x.org, i was hoping someone had the same problem and could tell me how to fix it :) |
| 00:57.37 | abrotman | remedy: you have the alt_gr keys or whatever? |
| 00:57.37 | SerajewelKS | remedy: just thinking out loud |
| 00:57.40 | wayne_ | no, I don't believe, but when using konsole and doing an "ls" the directory has a green background |
| 00:57.50 | remedy | abrotman: yep |
| 00:57.57 | abrotman | remedy: did you check the X FAQ? |
| 00:58.04 | abrotman | !xsf |
| 00:58.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 00:58.21 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: he's on X.org |
| 00:58.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: so? |
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| 00:58.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: how different do you think they are? |
| 00:59.05 | abrotman | we shouldhave gravity update that |
| 00:59.09 | Buddha| | !katapult |
| 00:59.16 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: different enough to force me to reconfigure most of the config file |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | remedy: i had an issue a while ago .. where i also couldn't get to the console also . the answer i got was this |
| 00:59.36 | abrotman | http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#ltkeys |
| 00:59.48 | abrotman | remedy: however .. that didn't fix it :) |
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| 00:59.55 | benjamindees | what happened to the "vt" command for switching terminals? |
| 00:59.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: sucks to be you |
| 01:00.07 | Seb | benjamindees: wokrs for me |
| 01:00.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: why does everyone assume i'm complaining when i'm just answering their question |
| 01:00.30 | abrotman | remedy: mine turned out to be a different problem |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: because most people don't have that problem :) |
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| 01:00.42 | Seb | benjamindees: chvt that is |
| 01:00.51 | benjamindees | Seb, ah, that's it, thanks :) |
| 01:01.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: so it follows that i'm complaining? what kind of logic is that |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you constatnly whine! |
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| 01:01.43 | remedy | abrotman: i checked out the x.org site for faqs etc, didnt find anything relating |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:01.50 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 01:01.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: actually, uhm no |
| 01:02.12 | benjamindees | remedy, can you use 'chvt 1' to switch to a console? |
| 01:02.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: constantly .. and the worst is when you cry about how much chocolate milk sucks |
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| 01:02.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: wtf |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: also ... you have no sense of humor :) |
| 01:03.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not when i'm tired, no =P |
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| 01:03.53 | ben_vos | Hello, is there a place where the md5sums of the files in the debian packages are available online? |
| 01:03.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: come on .. i had you going! :) |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | !debsums |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | how do we not have a factoid for htat ? |
| 01:04.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: meh, kinda |
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| 01:04.33 | abrotman | !info debsums sarge |
| 01:04.39 | abrotman | hey .. it's an op! |
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| 01:04.48 | dpkg | debsums: (Verify installed package files against MD5 checksums.), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.16 (sarge), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | ben_vos: ^^ .. like that ? |
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| 01:05.13 | recall | Is there a good (simple) solution for USB mass storage automounting, the Debian way? :) |
| 01:05.17 | nlfsoftware | hello |
| 01:05.20 | SerajewelKS | recall: autofs |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | gnome-volume-manager/udev can do it |
| 01:05.31 | SerajewelKS | recall: it's semi-simple |
| 01:05.34 | nlfsoftware | I need some help with Sun's Studio 11 |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | with what |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:05.44 | nlfsoftware | I trying to install it |
| 01:05.52 | nlfsoftware | but I having some problems... |
| 01:05.53 | SerajewelKS | nlfsoftware: is Sun Studio 11 a debian product? |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | does it even work on debian ? |
| 01:06.02 | SerajewelKS | nlfsoftware: or debian-packaged rather |
| 01:06.08 | nlfsoftware | any one know a tutorial on how to doit? |
| 01:06.16 | recall | SerajewelKS, thanks. |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | nlfsoftware: what problem are you having ? |
| 01:06.22 | gcoppini | wayne, looks like a rootkit... |
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| 01:06.50 | Xenguy | gcoppini: rootkit? |
| 01:06.54 | ben_vos | abrotman: I was searching more for an online place without involving downloading anything. |
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| 01:07.17 | nlfsoftware | SerajewelKs, no is not a debian product but if you go to this url they say that is possible :http://forum.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=27610 |
| 01:07.24 | abrotman | ben_vos: i'm not aware of anything .. |
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| 01:07.36 | DJ-KING | guys i am trying to make a questionaire to my college's students and professors (GNU/Linux Questionaire ) , can you take alook on it and let me know if i need to add more questions or change stuff in it ?! http://81.10.62.174/quest.txt |
| 01:07.57 | SerajewelKS | nlfsoftware: then follow their directions. Sun Studio 11 is not supported by the debian project, and i daresay most of the people here have never used it. |
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| 01:08.04 | gcoppini | Xenguy: maybe |
| 01:08.19 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: what's dpgk |
| 01:08.24 | nlfsoftware | abrotman, I have change some lines in the installer file acording to the forum I have listed before, and apears this msg:Exiting... The installer did not find the component tar files. Download the desired component tar files from the product website. |
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| 01:08.30 | dondelelcaro | DJ-KING: uh... any results from that study aren't going to be statistically valid |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | nlfsoftware: we at least need error messages .. |
| 01:08.53 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: it's wishful thinking ... and misspelling ... |
| 01:08.56 | Xenguy | gcoppini: symptoms? method of detection? details? |
| 01:09.09 | bucky | recall, you can put it in your fstab http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/04/msg00188.html and if you want an automount hotplug can do trigger it.. it's in the debian reference at debian.org |
| 01:09.21 | nlfsoftware | abrotman, I dont unsderstend what they mean whit tar files... |
| 01:09.25 | glasse | FourierSeries: They had a paper a little while ago on Lambda the Ultimate about randomly generating functional-programming functions, it was pretty cool, let me see if I can dig it up. |
| 01:09.26 | dondelelcaro | DJ-KING: ask a statistician with some actual experience in drafting surveys with questions that are non-biased. |
| 01:09.33 | abrotman | nlfsoftware: and if you paid sun for it .. why not ask them ? |
| 01:09.46 | Xenguy | DJ-KING: always best to consult with a survey person (or someone who knows statistics) with this kind of thing |
| 01:10.06 | FourierSeries | glasse: Oh! Cool, yes, TY. |
| 01:10.08 | glasse | FourierSeries: Pardon me, systematic search, not randomly-generated. Never mind. |
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| 01:10.10 | abrotman | DJ-KING: and it's clorox :) |
| 01:10.13 | nlfsoftware | Well this problably is a new for everybody but now is a free product |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | or .. i think it is |
| 01:10.15 | glasse | FourierSeries: The link is http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/view/1138 |
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| 01:10.25 | glasse | FourierSeries: But I think randomly generating tar files would be cool. |
| 01:10.27 | FourierSeries | glasse: I'll check it out anyways ! |
| 01:10.35 | litage | does ``some_command >/dev/null'' sends both stdout and stderr to /dev/null ? |
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| 01:10.52 | SerajewelKS | litage: no |
| 01:11.05 | kreg | is there anyting in the sarge netinstall cd kernel that would prevent SNAT from working? |
| 01:11.08 | gcoppini | Xenguy, none..I suggested |
| 01:11.10 | DJ-KING | it is all about me , i am doing the best that i can but it doesn't seem enough |
| 01:11.13 | litage | SerajewelKS: what goes to /dev/null ? |
| 01:11.21 | SerajewelKS | litage: stdout |
| 01:11.29 | nlfsoftware | I was trying to get it installed to then release a how to for debian and stuff like that... but ok... if you dont want to help... no problem... just say we dont care about that |
| 01:11.32 | nlfsoftware | c u |
| 01:11.38 | nlfsoftware | and merry crhms |
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| 01:11.45 | ben_vos | abrotman: Ok, thanks anyways... |
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| 01:12.10 | SerajewelKS | what's "crhms" |
| 01:12.12 | kreg | broadcast for a /24 netmask a 192.168.0.255 ? |
| 01:12.14 | henk | how do i see at what speed my eth link is set ? its a gigabit card but i want to check if the link is acctualy set as 1000mbit full duplex |
| 01:12.23 | abrotman | ben_vos: ask again in a bit |
| 01:12.24 | litage | SerajewelKS: does ``some_command 2>&1 >/dev/null'' sends both stdout and stderr to /dev/null ? |
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| 01:12.40 | SerajewelKS | litage: i think it's >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 01:12.40 | recall | chrms: nothing appropriate. |
| 01:12.43 | recall | =) |
| 01:12.44 | SerajewelKS | litage: or you can do &>/dev/null |
| 01:12.57 | bucky | recall, you can put it in your fstab http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/04/msg00188.html and if you want an automount hotplug can do trigger it.. it's in the debian reference at debian.org |
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| 01:13.06 | litage | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 01:13.17 | SerajewelKS | kreg: you mean do SNAT with the netinstall kernel, or use netinstall from behind SNAT? |
| 01:13.31 | odla | how can i make dfm start automatically when i log into icewm? |
| 01:13.33 | daft | Im looking for a bootsplash patch file for the 2.6.14 kernel |
| 01:13.55 | abrotman | daft: did you check the bootsplash website ? |
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| 01:14.04 | ben_vos | odla: what's dfm? |
| 01:14.11 | recall | bucky, I tried hotplug once, but didn't really like it. Would you recommend that over autofs? |
| 01:14.15 | odla | !tell ben_vos about dfm |
| 01:14.19 | daft | bootsplash.de no new updates since august |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | daft: so what does that mean ? |
| 01:14.31 | odla | ben_vos: a file manager |
| 01:14.45 | kreg | SerajewelKS 2.4.27-2-386. it's the kernel that came with the install from the netinstall cd. now that sarge is installed, i can't seem to do someting as simple as SNAT |
| 01:14.55 | ben_vos | odla: In this case: use ~/.icewm/startup |
| 01:14.55 | daft | well the last kernel they wrote a patch for is the 2.6.12 |
| 01:14.56 | SerajewelKS | and how does bootsplash even know how far in the boot process it is, for the progress bar? =/ |
| 01:15.08 | bucky | recall, do what that link above says and mount it manually |
| 01:15.15 | ben_vos | odla: which must be an executable script file |
| 01:15.17 | daft | but some i2c isnt working in that kernel :/ |
| 01:15.21 | SerajewelKS | kreg: do you have a reason for doing SNAT instead of MASQERADE? |
| 01:15.32 | odla | ben_vos: i don't have a startup file...just create one and write exec dfm ? |
| 01:15.36 | kreg | SerajewelKS my public ip is static *shrug* |
| 01:15.45 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, progress bars work by magic... |
| 01:15.50 | kreg | masq is a type of snat anyhow |
| 01:16.00 | recall | bucky, manually mounting is so last century. Come on. =) |
| 01:16.04 | SerajewelKS | kreg: right, but it requires less configuration =) |
| 01:16.11 | SerajewelKS | kreg: but anyway, do you have ip_forward enabled? |
| 01:16.21 | ben_vos | odla: yeah, create one and make it executable, if you push #!/bin/sh in the beginning you should not need the exec |
| 01:16.21 | kreg | actually i think SNAT requires less config |
| 01:16.24 | beardy | recall: You lazy.. |
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| 01:16.30 | bucky | recall, i gave you the 21st century way but you dont like it.. |
| 01:16.37 | SerajewelKS | kreg: no, SNAT requires a --to-source. masq does not. |
| 01:16.52 | odla | ben_vos: i.e. #!/bin/sh dfm |
| 01:16.54 | kreg | yes i did a typical "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 01:16.56 | odla | ben_vos: like that? |
| 01:16.59 | recall | bucky, hotplug or autofs? |
| 01:17.09 | recall | beardy, whenever possible. =) |
| 01:17.10 | SerajewelKS | kreg: there's a debian way to set that |
| 01:17.44 | abrotman | kreg: did you try #iptables ? |
| 01:17.44 | kreg | abrotman oh ya |
| 01:17.44 | SerajewelKS | kreg: /etc/network/options |
| 01:17.44 | bucky | recall, read the debian reference about triggering events with hotplug |
| 01:17.45 | kreg | this is something i consider myself beyond, but after 6 hours of troubleshooting and #netfilter giving up i'm stumped. |
| 01:17.57 | SerajewelKS | kreg: have you *tried* masquerade? |
| 01:18.18 | beardy | recall: Me too I guess, but mounting something doesn't require that much energy.. |
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| 01:18.29 | kreg | SerajewelKS no |
| 01:18.35 | kreg | hold on |
| 01:18.36 | SerajewelKS | kreg: give that a shot |
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| 01:19.38 | DJ-KING | dondelelcaro: Xenguy , i am doing it for my college students and professors in order to know what they need and build an LFS for my univeristy , thats all |
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| 01:20.31 | abrotman | DJ-KING: you're going to ask people who've never used linux to use LFS ? |
| 01:20.33 | kreg | SerajewelKS what i meant by less config, was less for the kernel to track. |
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| 01:21.19 | DJ-KING | abrotman: it is gonna be a liveCD |
| 01:21.37 | DJ-KING | abrotman: as a start |
| 01:21.46 | abrotman | why not just pick one of the two dozen already done |
| 01:21.54 | SerajewelKS | kreg: masq should not be any strain on a 486 with 16mb ram |
| 01:22.03 | SerajewelKS | kreg: i doubt it will choke whatever you're using |
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| 01:22.17 | kreg | SerajewelKS it helps me sleep better |
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| 01:22.38 | SerajewelKS | kreg: if you can get SNAT working, use it... |
| 01:22.54 | SerajewelKS | kreg: i sleep better when i know my linux router is working =) |
| 01:22.54 | kreg | SerajewelKS i've use SNAT many a times. cept for this new location *shrug* |
| 01:23.00 | kreg | SerajewelKS me to! |
| 01:23.16 | kreg | it's such a simple thing to do, yet i can't seem to. |
| 01:23.27 | SerajewelKS | kreg: have you tried tcpdump on the router to see what's going awrry? |
| 01:23.29 | kreg | must be overlooking something super stupid, any ideas? |
| 01:23.29 | SerajewelKS | awry too |
| 01:23.30 | ben_vos | odla: like what I sent you on the private channel |
| 01:23.31 | DJ-KING | abrotman: for psychological reasons , " this is the university's own operating system " |
| 01:23.33 | odla | ben_vos: that's it worked |
| 01:23.43 | odla | ben_vos: oops...thanks it worked |
| 01:23.59 | ben_vos | odla: no problem |
| 01:24.10 | kreg | SerajewelKS i have, do you suggest something specific to look for? |
| 01:24.21 | abrotman | DJ-KING: oh .. sure .. make aoter |
| 01:24.22 | abrotman | another |
| 01:24.28 | SerajewelKS | kreg: looking for the problem might help |
| 01:24.34 | SerajewelKS | kreg: but really, what about SNAT isn't working? |
| 01:25.02 | Xenguy | !start a window manager war |
| 01:25.02 | dpkg | fvwm95 bites! |
| 01:25.05 | DJ-KING | abrotman: thats a way to convince them to shift to GNU/Linux .. |
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| 01:25.11 | ben_vos | odla: though ION3 is cool if you have a big desktop |
| 01:25.16 | DJ-KING | abrotman: spreading the word is all what i care about |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | DJ-KING: but you need to make your own distro for that ? |
| 01:25.26 | beardy | DJ-KING: Why not show them something that works instead? |
| 01:25.34 | odla | i've heard ion3 is pretty sweet |
| 01:25.34 | SerajewelKS | DJ-KING: download kubuntu live for christ's sake |
| 01:25.37 | odla | i've never tried it |
| 01:25.39 | abrotman | oh god no |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | not KDE .. |
| 01:25.50 | Knorrie | :)) |
| 01:26.00 | kreg | yes it was loaded |
| 01:26.00 | recall | !start another window manager war |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | which sucks |
| 01:26.25 | SerajewelKS | how can a terminal emulator suck |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | i don't know .. but KDE made it happen |
| 01:26.36 | ben_vos | odla: for me it had problems with drag and drop - that's why I've never really used it. |
| 01:26.57 | Azar | I have a strange issue: when I use an xterm or aterm in X the user name is not displayed: instead of azar@mybox I see sh-2.05b$, how can I fix this? |
| 01:27.06 | DJ-KING | i can't use KDE or GNOME on the workstations over there , they have got very old computers .. so i am customizing fluxbox for the window manager with desktop icons , menus and stuff you know |
| 01:27.18 | Azar | I use openbox... |
| 01:27.19 | abrotman | customizing fluxbox ? |
| 01:27.20 | Xenguy | never :) |
| 01:27.24 | Xenguy | ww |
| 01:27.30 | abrotman | DJ-KING: have you tried icewm ? |
| 01:27.32 | Knorrie | Azar: perhaps there's no .bash_profile and .bashrc in the users homedir |
| 01:27.44 | odla | DJ-KING: icewm is the bomb |
| 01:27.45 | DJ-KING | abrotman: yeah few years ago , what about it |
| 01:28.01 | odla | icewm is quicker than gentoo |
| 01:28.04 | odla | ha ha ha |
| 01:28.04 | Azar | Khorrie, how can I fix that? |
| 01:28.08 | benjamindees | DJ-KING, what about damn small linux? |
| 01:28.11 | SerajewelKS | odla: gentoo is a distro, not a wm |
| 01:28.12 | dabaR | Azar: for all users or only one? |
| 01:28.19 | Azar | there is only one user: me |
| 01:28.21 | Knorrie | Azar: start copying them from /etc/skel |
| 01:28.24 | stew | gentoo is a filemanager not a wm |
| 01:28.25 | abrotman | DJ-KING: forget it .. i give up .. it's your silly project .. have fun |
| 01:28.27 | odla | SerajewelKS: i know.. |
| 01:28.30 | stew | !info gentoo |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: gentoo is a file manager |
| 01:28.39 | Azar | stew, copying to where? |
| 01:28.42 | odla | gentoo is rice |
| 01:28.43 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 01:28.47 | Xenguy | gentoo is also a ricer |
| 01:28.48 | odla | vroom vroom |
| 01:28.51 | SerajewelKS | stew: a file manager isn't a wm either |
| 01:28.54 | SimonRaven | chicken-fried rice |
| 01:28.54 | Azar | gentoobie |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | stew: you forgot to remind me! |
| 01:29.06 | SimonRaven | though i do like the stuff =) |
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| 01:29.12 | odla | !gentoosmite SerajewelKS |
| 01:29.18 | stew | abrotman: it wasn't going to happen on the way down |
| 01:29.18 | DJ-KING | abrotman: lol , thanks for your care to help anyway :) |
| 01:29.21 | odla | he he |
| 01:29.25 | stew | i'm going to remind you on the way up |
| 01:29.26 | SerajewelKS | odla: yeah basically |
| 01:29.38 | Knorrie | Azar: sh-2.05b$ cp -a /etc/skel/.ba* ~/ |
| 01:29.47 | odla | SerajewelKS: well at least you don't run any slower ;) |
| 01:29.54 | Azar | thanks Knorrie |
| 01:29.57 | benjamindees | DJ-KING, in my experience, asking users what they want is the surest way not to find out :) |
| 01:30.01 | SerajewelKS | odla: i'm about to though, it's getting late |
| 01:30.04 | Knorrie | Azar: then log out and in and see what happens |
| 01:30.28 | DJ-KING | benjamindees: what to do then to get their requirments ? |
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| 01:31.03 | benjamindees | DJ-KING, give them something useful, listen to complaints |
| 01:31.04 | beardy | Azar: You don't need to logout, just start another xterm. |
| 01:31.32 | Azar | same strange user name.. |
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| 01:31.40 | benjamindees | DJ-KING, what I'm saying is, often you can guess their requirements better than they can tell you :) |
| 01:31.42 | DJ-KING | benjamindees: if it has to be in a questionaire , how i can i ask that ?! |
| 01:31.47 | Azar | not Azar but sh-2.05b |
| 01:31.52 | recall | I think the Debian search engine has been broken for at least 2 years... |
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| 01:32.02 | abrotman | stew: you could have left me a msg! |
| 01:32.25 | Azar | I am not able to find the openbox.conf file... |
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| 01:32.47 | resiak | Azar: ~/.config/openbox/* |
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| 01:32.52 | Azar | is only on openbox xterm that happens that on a regular nonX terminal username is ok |
| 01:33.15 | stew | ugh |
| 01:33.36 | stew | i'm at a christmas party having to do emergency recompiles for a client |
| 01:33.39 | stew | got good beer though |
| 01:33.41 | Knorrie | stew: stop smoking :) |
| 01:34.16 | Azar | sh: /home/azar/.config/openbox/*: No such file or directory |
| 01:34.18 | Azar | sh-2.05b$ |
| 01:34.58 | resiak | Azar: That's where Openbox3 keeps its config, but reading through the scrollback. .. Ob has nothing to do with your bash prompt |
| 01:35.58 | Azar | resiak, I only thought, since on nonX terminal my username is normal, Azar |
| 01:36.01 | stew | unibrue terrible is excellent |
| 01:36.07 | Azar | only on aterm or xterm is showing weird |
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| 01:36.58 | Azar | when I do aterm -ls a new aterm with my normal username shows up |
| 01:37.08 | Azar | but only on that instance |
| 01:38.00 | Azar | maybe if I remove then reinstall openbox will fix that |
| 01:38.06 | beardy | Azar: -ls meaning? |
| 01:38.13 | beardy | Azar: No. |
| 01:38.18 | Knorrie | Azar: i doubt that |
| 01:38.20 | Azar | hmm I have no idea someone told me to do that |
| 01:38.27 | recall | Azar, is it just the login terminals? |
| 01:38.38 | Knorrie | Azar: removing and reinstalling sounds like fixing a M$ problem :DD |
| 01:38.43 | beardy | Azar: Someone doesn't know what he's talking about. |
| 01:38.46 | resiak | You're not sourcing your .bash_profile from your .bashrc, but you are from your .bash_login? |
| 01:38.52 | Azar | Knorrie, I do not know other fix |
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| 01:39.35 | Azar | where is .bash_profile stored? |
| 01:39.45 | Knorrie | Azar: lol, and i say i think reinstalling 's not gonna help |
| 01:39.56 | Knorrie | Azar: in your home directory |
| 01:39.57 | resiak | Azar: ~ |
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| 01:41.23 | Azar | I do not see any user name in .bash_profile... |
| 01:41.36 | Knorrie | Azar: read the section called INVOCATION in the bash manual (man bash) to learn more about what happens when starting a bash (shell) session |
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| 01:41.57 | Azar | ok |
| 01:42.03 | foo | What GUI FTP program would you guys recommend? |
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| 01:42.28 | Knorrie | foo: FileZilla 3, but it's not ready yet :P |
| 01:42.29 | zerve_the_death | gftp |
| 01:42.33 | foo | Knorrie: :P |
| 01:42.34 | Knorrie | foo: gftp is ok |
| 01:42.36 | foo | zerve_the_death: Thanks |
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| 01:42.47 | zerve_the_death | np |
| 01:43.08 | JoelMax | please help i want copy a movie dvd |
| 01:43.24 | JoelMax | i don`t know what software i need |
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| 01:43.50 | Knorrie | Azar: in your .bashrc there should be a line starting with PS1=... that defines what your prompt looks like |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | JoelMax: why would you want to copy a movie .. why not buy it ? |
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| 01:44.19 | recall | abrotman, maybe he wants a back up? |
| 01:44.28 | fbi | JoelMax: you want dvdrip, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | recall: right .. a backup |
| 01:44.37 | Knorrie | Azar: and the \u in that line gets substituted for your username |
| 01:44.39 | JoelMax | no is original movie is the my wedding |
| 01:44.48 | recall | abrotman, innocent until proven.. =) |
| 01:44.54 | Bogaurd | how can i change which modules load at startup? i've looked in /etc/modules.conf and stuff... but the modules are still loading up. |
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| 01:45.03 | JoelMax | yes |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | recall: i prefer the US gov'ts way .. |
| 01:45.05 | Knorrie | JoelMax: abrotman means you have to marry once more? |
| 01:45.08 | recall | Bogaurd, /etc/modules |
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| 01:45.15 | kryl | hi |
| 01:45.15 | david | Umm, excuse me. I'm fairly new and incredibly noobish when it comes to commands.. I was just wondering how i run edonkey after installing it? |
| 01:45.17 | kryl | please |
| 01:45.25 | kryl | what is the best way to create all entry in a new /dev directory ? |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | MAKEDEV |
| 01:45.35 | Bogaurd | recall: nope... its not listed in there. |
| 01:45.44 | dabaR | david: "dpkg -l edonkey" |
| 01:45.45 | pawdro | where i can find repository list? |
| 01:45.55 | Knorrie | pawdro: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:45.57 | waubna | Hi. I'm not sure how to get my wireless keyboard working on my system. I didn't see anything when I ran dpkg-reconfigure Xserver-xfree86. I'm thinking that I'm totally off here. Can anyone offer some assistance? |
| 01:46.10 | fbi | pawdro: run apt-setup |
| 01:46.20 | pawdro | Knorrie: i mean working servers from net |
| 01:46.22 | david | dabaR: it said "No packages found matching edonkey" |
| 01:46.27 | dabaR | david: that will tell you what files were installed by the edonkey package. And then run the one that is under /usr/bin, most likely you can just run "edonkey" in a terminal |
| 01:46.42 | beardy | The package doesn't exist. |
| 01:46.52 | beardy | david: So, what did you install? |
| 01:47.05 | waubna | abrotman I got my monitor running. you were helping me lst night |
| 01:47.11 | recall | Bogaurd, what modules is it? Is it being loaded as a dependency of something in /etc/modules? |
| 01:47.19 | waubna | thanks |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | waubna: i was ? .. what was your nick? |
| 01:47.22 | david | umm, i downloaded and unpacked the edonkey package from the edonkey site |
| 01:47.22 | JoelMax | help please |
| 01:47.24 | dabaR | david: how did you install that anyhow, it is non-free. |
| 01:47.30 | Knorrie | pawdro: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ <- there's a mirrors list |
| 01:47.33 | fbi | !tell JoelMax about marillat |
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| 01:47.42 | Bogaurd | recall: it's not in /etc/modules... im just trying to turn off all USB modules, i have no use for them |
| 01:47.43 | beardy | waubna: If your keyboard doesn't work, how do you run dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 01:47.43 | fbi | JoelMax: you want dvdrip |
| 01:47.45 | dabaR | david: and how did you install? read their docs, or something. maybe some double click somewhere will help. |
| 01:47.48 | JoelMax | ok |
| 01:47.52 | abrotman | fbi: remember the other guy earlier .. the handholding .. get ready |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | ! |
| 01:47.56 | JoelMax | thank s |
| 01:48.00 | fbi | err. |
| 01:48.06 | fbi | oh |
| 01:48.11 | fbi | now i remember |
| 01:48.24 | waubna | no words on the wireless. Hmm am I not being specific enough? |
| 01:48.25 | david | dabaR:okay.. are there any other free P2P programs for linux? |
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| 01:48.40 | abrotman | fbi: nothing but shit comes out of your mouth! |
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| 01:48.48 | fbi | apparently. |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | waubna: is it RF or bluetooth? |
| 01:49.01 | dabaR | david: ya. gtk-gnutella is what I use. |
| 01:49.08 | waubna | RF |
| 01:49.12 | beardy | david: What distribution are you running? |
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| 01:49.18 | abrotman | waubna: afaik .. it should just work .. but i don't own one |
| 01:49.22 | waubna | shamefully..Microsoft |
| 01:49.23 | david | dabaR: will i be able to get that through apt-get? |
| 01:49.34 | dabaR | david: ya, you should. |
| 01:49.50 | waubna | what does afaik mean |
| 01:49.50 | david | dabaR:debian |
| 01:49.58 | beardy | !afaik |
| 01:49.59 | dpkg | afaik is, like, some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 01:50.09 | waubna | ah |
| 01:50.29 | Azar | I read man bash, I have not understand much.. some terms I cannot figure out |
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| 01:50.52 | Azar | so I guess I am ok anyways I am not needing X much |
| 01:50.53 | waubna | I thought I was just supposed to be able to plug the keyboard in like you said abrotman |
| 01:51.06 | waubna | but it just seems to loop at the command line |
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| 01:51.19 | abrotman | waubna: have you tried rebooting with it pluggged in? |
| 01:51.21 | waubna | like it's trying to read that its' there over and over |
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| 01:51.33 | waubna | yes |
| 01:51.42 | david | dabaR: apt-get is asking me whether i want to upgrae glibc |
| 01:51.52 | waubna | I'll try agian |
| 01:52.04 | waubna | debian does like microsoft |
| 01:52.14 | fbi | !smack waubna |
| 01:52.24 | waubna | hehe |
| 01:52.27 | ice_1963 | ya ok |
| 01:52.35 | waubna | n't |
| 01:52.57 | obtix | ok i am trying to create a symlink between two folders using "ln -s /data1/ /data/data2/" and i get an operation not permited error (fyi, i am root) |
| 01:53.13 | waubna | I didn't restart when I reconfigure x for my monitor last night |
| 01:53.14 | ice_1963 | microshi??? |
| 01:53.15 | dabaR | david: why, cause you tried to install gtk-gnutella? I don't know why it would ask you that, but, check your sources.list file before you do that, to make sure you don't have unstable sources there. |
| 01:53.18 | waubna | dur |
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| 01:53.21 | bsims | Now I should be able to use mondo to do a bare-metal and rsync the rest right |
| 01:53.27 | synap | Could someone explain me how to get X windows working on old flat panel screens ? |
| 01:53.57 | waubna | alright. I'm gonna try and restart again |
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| 01:54.04 | waubna | bb in a bit |
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| 01:54.19 | fbi | synap: find the sync ranges for your monitor and reconfigure X |
| 01:54.45 | bowman | heya. anyone know which program I can use to put povray-created png sequences into a movie file, avi or anything similar? |
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| 01:54.51 | synap | fbi resolution also important, or purely sync ranges ? |
| 01:55.09 | iank | Hey all. Having problems with rcp. (Yes, rcp, not scp. scp works fine.) I can log in with rsh, but when I try to rcp (from remote to local) all I get is a zero byte file. |
| 01:55.13 | iank | Ideas? |
| 01:55.17 | fbi | synap: uh, the resolution is important if you want specific resolutions that aren't available by default |
| 01:55.28 | david | dabaR: yeah, i tried installing gnutella with aptget. |
| 01:55.31 | beardy | iank: Why are you using it? |
| 01:55.39 | iank | beardy: IRIX install. |
| 01:55.41 | david | dabaR: it worked, using gnutella right now. Many thanks. |
| 01:55.51 | iank | beardy: the installer wants rsh. I unfortunately don't have a choice =/ |
| 01:55.52 | dabaR | thats nothing. $20 |
| 01:56.06 | beardy | iank: Ok. |
| 01:57.49 | cheal | !stable |
| 01:57.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r0, or ask me about releases. |
| 01:57.57 | synap | fbi: last question then, on sites like: http://www.griffintechnology.com/archive/monitor.html they left out the sync frequences in their db for flatpanels |
| 01:58.03 | synap | fbi: what about it ? |
| 01:58.08 | dondelelcaro | iank: if you can use rsh, then use tar over rsh... |
| 01:58.09 | cheal | dpkg: stable =~ s/1r0/1r1/ |
| 01:58.09 | dpkg | cheal: OK |
| 01:58.18 | bsims | synap: what you want actual documentation <BWAHHAHAHAHA> |
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| 01:59.14 | fbi | synap: i don't know. try reconfiguring X and using any of the "Simple" ranges to see if you can get an X server running |
| 01:59.23 | synap | ok, ty |
| 02:00.11 | bsims | Actual Documentation went out of fashion in 1990... now all you get is a big poster showing you where to plug the cables in seven languages |
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| 02:00.56 | iank | dondelelcaro: I cannot. |
| 02:01.00 | iank | dondelelcaro: It has to be rcp |
| 02:01.08 | iank | dondelelcaro: I have no choice about what the IRIX installer chooses to use. |
| 02:01.18 | iank | dondelelcaro: fix needs to be server-side. |
| 02:01.21 | dondelelcaro | iank: and there's no other method of installation? |
| 02:01.43 | dondelelcaro | iank: can you rcp from a debian box to the debian machine running rcp? |
| 02:01.45 | iank | CD, but I have no CD drive for this machine (only certain models will work, and with firmware tweaks at that.) |
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| 02:02.45 | iank | dondelelcaro: I can't rsh from a debian machine to the server, no. |
| 02:02.46 | iank | *rcp |
| 02:02.49 | iank | I can rsh just fine. |
| 02:03.00 | iank | rcp fails from everywhere. |
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| 02:03.21 | synap | ty I am going to dive into it |
| 02:03.22 | dondelelcaro | iank: so rcp is just making zero byte files? |
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| 02:03.54 | iank | dondelelcaro: from remote to local, yes. (It opens the file for writing and then loses the connection). |
| 02:04.07 | iank | dondelelcaro: from local to remote it loses the connection before it can open the remote file. |
| 02:04.18 | bsims | hrm would something like screen help here? |
| 02:04.42 | iank | bsims: no ;] |
| 02:04.53 | dondelelcaro | iank: hrm... and nothing informative in the logs for the rshd on either side? tried running tcpdump to see what is going on? |
| 02:05.04 | bsims | damn here I thought screen could do everything including make coffee |
| 02:05.15 | iank | dondelelcaro: all I get is session opened, session closed (on the server) |
| 02:05.44 | pawdro | where i can find description of enabling java plugin for opera 8.51 |
| 02:05.50 | dondelelcaro | iank: and you can't just symlink rcp to scp? |
| 02:06.14 | iank | .., no. rshd is running on the server, not sshd. |
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| 02:06.23 | bsims | iank: ick |
| 02:06.35 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; well, welcome to the crappy world of rsh. |
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| 02:06.44 | iank | bsims: yes, I should be running sshd. No, its beyond my control. IRIX installer demands it. |
| 02:06.45 | dondelelcaro | (and proprietary software installers) |
| 02:06.54 | iank | Haha, yes. |
| 02:07.13 | dondelelcaro | I'd ask why you're even installing IRIX instead of Debian... but I'm afraid I'm not going to like the answer. |
| 02:07.13 | Azar | I need to learn how to create a new user, add it to groups, move files from the old user to a new one... any tutorial ? |
| 02:07.16 | bsims | iank: I can't blame the irix installer for using rsh ssh may not have been invented yet |
| 02:07.28 | iank | bsims: exactly. |
| 02:07.32 | caphuso | Azar: adduser, mv, chown |
| 02:07.40 | dondelelcaro | Azar: adduser username; adduser username groupname; chown foo barfile; man adduser; man chown; |
| 02:07.51 | iank | dondelelcaro: Because debian mips doesn't run on this machine. Netbsd will install, but crash and burn every hour or so. |
| 02:07.52 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 02:08.32 | dondelelcaro | iank: hrm... where is it failing? [that's actually far more interesting that it won't install...] |
| 02:08.48 | dondelelcaro | will it not even boot? |
| 02:08.55 | iank | dondelelcaro: I quite honestly don't remember anymore. I tried at least several months ago. |
| 02:08.58 | iank | Sorry. |
| 02:09.18 | dondelelcaro | iank: well, always worth it to try again and file bugs if it fails. |
| 02:09.33 | iank | This is true. |
| 02:09.35 | dondelelcaro | worst case the bugs will get ignored because no one cares about that particular ancient piece of hardware... |
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| 02:10.08 | bsims | dondelelcaro: hrm "ancient" Noun, denotes all the bugs are known |
| 02:11.19 | bsims | Forex, I have an ancient HP 4+, ancient and crufty, but solid as a tank and parts/supplies are everywear |
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| 02:16.36 | Cyberax | hey guys, do any of you know if debian i386 will install on an amd64, what about kernel processor type wont that screw up? |
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| 02:18.18 | fbi | Cyberax: ask in #debian-amd64 or download an installer image that comes with an amd64 kernel |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | Cyberax: yes it will |
| 02:18.46 | abrotman | FourierSeries: is it really 8086 ? |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | or is it 286 ? |
| 02:19.06 | FourierSeries | abrotman: lol - yes. |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | !elks |
| 02:19.13 | dpkg | elks is, like, at http://elks.sourceforge.net |
| 02:19.19 | NyteRukh | hi |
| 02:19.20 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 02:19.21 | beardy | FourierSeries: google elks linux |
| 02:19.21 | abrotman | FourierSeries: that works on 286 .. not sure about 8086 |
| 02:20.03 | Cyberax | fbi: cheers, a friend on mine is installing an wants a bunch of i386 packages he cant get for amd64 |
| 02:20.07 | drpphil | what's a good gui ftp app |
| 02:20.11 | drpphil | I'm running fluxbox |
| 02:20.19 | gravity | drpphil: gftp is nice |
| 02:20.27 | gravity | I like it quite a bit |
| 02:20.33 | beardy | Not the same as asked before? |
| 02:20.35 | benjamindees | linux will run on a 286? |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | Cyberax: ask #debian-amd64 for the howto for the 32bit chroot |
| 02:20.43 | beardy | benjamindees: elks will |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | benjamindees: elks runs on things you wouldn't run DOS on :) |
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| 02:21.48 | FourierSeries | Or, you can try an' old version of Minix |
| 02:22.06 | abrotman | minix isn't free |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 02:22.12 | aalex | are there new versions of minix ?? |
| 02:22.14 | FourierSeries | true |
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| 02:22.32 | FourierSeries | 2.0.4 minix is the last one I tried. |
| 02:22.45 | aalex | heille, le_mackeux, c'est un canal debian ici ;-)) |
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| 02:23.03 | beardy | ? |
| 02:23.08 | FourierSeries | I think Tannenbaum ( sp? ) wants to do a major revision, I think they just came out with v3. |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | !fr |
| 02:23.10 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 02:23.30 | aalex | ;-) |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | dpkg: clean my house |
| 02:24.26 | fbi | s/house/trailer/ |
| 02:24.37 | iank | s/house/box/ |
| 02:24.54 | abrotman | it's my apartment! |
| 02:25.02 | [11aa] | not enough french support mmm! |
| 02:25.12 | fbi | freedom fries! |
| 02:25.46 | [11aa] | I am starting seeing more debian machines here its very good |
| 02:26.03 | beardy | [11aa]: Lay of the drinking. |
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| 02:26.20 | [11aa] | too bad powerpc its not supported under sarge |
| 02:26.47 | [11aa] | i mean the older performas |
| 02:26.48 | resiak | !ppc |
| 02:26.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 02:26.50 | drpphil | gravity: thanks ... yeah it's a nice app so far |
| 02:27.02 | gravity | drpphil: Cool. Glad you like it |
| 02:27.46 | slacker | why there are no more cd image on the main server in sweden? |
| 02:27.58 | [11aa] | its not that its like i have 2 that i want to get runnig under sarge but the floppy boot is not available for the too bad |
| 02:28.30 | fbi | now that was confusing. |
| 02:28.42 | benjamindees | !confuse [11aa] |
| 02:28.42 | dpkg | Yes, what is their ferret tomorrow, [11aa]? trousers of the monarchy of tahiti with extra cheese |
| 02:28.44 | beardy | slacker: You better ask the ones responsible for the mirror. |
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| 02:29.28 | FourierSeries | slacker: best knock on their door a about 3 in the morning and demand an answer... |
| 02:29.39 | slacker | hehe.. |
| 02:29.47 | beardy | too late then ;) |
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| 02:33.15 | bsims | FourierSeries: you don't keep a viking style longsword on the wall? |
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| 02:33.31 | FourierSeries | "NO your print outs are NOT ready yet." |
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| 02:33.51 | FourierSeries | bsims: well, I do have a sabre. |
| 02:34.03 | beardy | viking swords are rather short aren't they?.. |
| 02:34.15 | bsims | beardy: mine is a 3' longsword |
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| 02:34.44 | fbi | you guys should create a channel called #swordfight and register it with Chanserv |
| 02:34.52 | beardy | heh |
| 02:35.21 | FourierSeries | "This here's me shootin' iron" |
| 02:35.49 | [11aa] | Thank they are there in sweden |
| 02:36.01 | beardy | bsims: ' == feet, or what? |
| 02:36.05 | bsims | FourierSeries: I once (pre-911) brought home a calvary sabre home on greyhound bus as carryon luggage.. I had a sword over one hip a duffel bag over the other... driver asked me "Is that real" "Yes" then I placed it in the overhead rack... there were a few bus-stops I took it in to the bathrooms with me |
| 02:36.11 | bsims | beardy: yeah |
| 02:36.14 | [11aa] | I just could find them in many other sirtes |
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| 02:36.39 | FourierSeries | bsims: "That's not a knife - THIS ..." |
| 02:36.53 | Tortel | hmm, with etch, should I keep hotplug or use udev? |
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| 02:37.21 | bsims | LOL, funny no one ever suspected my elderly looking mother had a .357Mag in the bottom of her knitting bag |
| 02:37.21 | obtix | what is a good, stable ftp server? |
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| 02:38.31 | FourierSeries | APACHE |
| 02:38.37 | jjazz | bsims, musta been a big bag |
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| 02:39.13 | bsims | jjazz: not really a 4" barreled .357mag is about maybe a foot end to end |
| 02:39.19 | Azar | looking at my /etc/passwd I see that my nick is missing the /bin/bash how could this happen? |
| 02:39.56 | FourierSeries | Azar: maybe bash is assigned thru your login script? |
| 02:40.00 | Azar | azar:x:1003:100::/home/azar: |
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| 02:40.40 | Azar | FourierSeries: scripting is something I have no idea of |
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| 02:40.48 | SimonRaven | you don't have a login shell set |
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| 02:41.08 | SimonRaven | sudo vipw |
| 02:41.36 | Azar | so I just add it like that, SimonRaven? |
| 02:42.53 | bsims | Abecedarian insult, an: "Sir, you are an apogenous, bovaristic, coprolalial, dasypygal, excerebrose, facinorous, gnathonic, hircine, ithyphallic, jumentous, kyphotic, labrose, mephitic, napiform, oligophrenial, papuliferous, quisquilian, rebarbative, saponaceous, thersitical, unguinous, ventripotent, wlatsome, xylocephalous, yirning zoophyte." To translate: "Sir, you are an impotent, conceited, obscene, hairy-buttocked, brainless, wicked, |
| 02:43.10 | FourierSeries | o_o |
| 02:43.47 | bsims | I love Uselessnet |
| 02:44.15 | Azar | SimonRaven thank you that solved all my problems in X!! |
| 02:44.17 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:45.55 | Guerin | bsims: quality |
| 02:46.11 | bsims | Guerin: that was too good not to share |
| 02:46.13 | Alamahama | I am running Ubuntu, but could not get a response to my problem, Deb is close enough? Well, my problem is when in the 'make' process of WineCVS installation i get an error. If youd like to take a look this is the error I ger http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5976. Thank you for your time. |
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| 02:46.32 | Alamahama | couldnt get a response to my problem on the ubuntu server* |
| 02:46.53 | lotusleaf | Alamahama, I have a link for this you may need to solve some deps, hold on |
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| 02:47.13 | gravity | Alamahama: Please note the /topic |
| 02:47.21 | caphuso | Alamahama: that looks like a wine problem. ask them |
| 02:47.35 | bsims | Alamahama: I'd say current CVS is frelled wait for it to be fixed |
| 02:47.42 | lotusleaf | Alamahama, please join #hooah for the url |
| 02:47.52 | lotusleaf | since it's off topic ;) |
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| 02:48.57 | bsims | how do I register a channel? I see a screaming need for #FOAD |
| 02:49.18 | w000 | hello.. I just used dist-upgrade w/ unstable sources and XFree86 upgraded to Xorg.. now everytime I use 'startx' I get "xinit: Server error." .. anyone know wut happened? |
| 02:49.21 | lotusleaf | bsims, /msg chanserv help register |
| 02:50.06 | gravity | w000: Could you put the /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a paster so I can see it? |
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| 02:51.01 | bsims | damn I need to register my nick first |
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| 02:52.09 | w000 | gravity ; I can try |
| 02:52.44 | w000 | gravity; can I dcc it over? I'm having a hard time in console with no mouse |
| 02:52.57 | gravity | w000: You can try I suppose |
| 02:53.38 | w000 | gravity you getting that? |
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| 02:54.03 | gravity | w000: No |
| 02:54.20 | mrborisguy | I just aquired an old laptop with no access to the internet. However, it does support, USB, so I would like to somehow put packages on my USB drive, and be able to install new packages from there. Can somebody point me to information about that? |
| 02:54.25 | bsims | I am so sorry I just saw a need |
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| 02:55.50 | roler | I am running apache2 and on phpinfo() it says i have gzip and deflate for html compression. i've used mod_gzip in the past, but obviously it doesn't quite work with apache2. how can i enable this 'gzip' ? |
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| 02:58.59 | Alamahama | Ok, sorry for bugging you guys here again, cant find an answer anywhere else...no-one knows. One of you posted a link for me to goto, but it didnt help the error. please can you take one more look... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5976 |
| 02:59.40 | caphuso | Alamahama: it has been made clear to you that this is not a debian problem. so go away |
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| 03:01.08 | odla | FourierSeries: what does the -fy option do? |
| 03:01.24 | Alamahama | caphuso, Whoa, thanks for asking nicely :/. When youve tried to get an answer from place that are (on topic) for 3 days, you start to get desperate, as I do have a limited stay (on this computer). So please just understand. |
| 03:01.48 | FourierSeries | odla: Flip Y axis. I'm playing the game upside down. Oh. Wow. |
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| 03:01.59 | gravity | Alamahama: That's fine. We understand, but please also understand that this isn't an Ubuntu support channel. You're much better served by other avenues. |
| 03:02.04 | mne | hi there ! Though it is not directly debian related I thought that maybe someone in here could help me: I've a Netfinity 5500 M20 server with an advances systems management (ASM) processor inside running Linux. I read that one can connect to the management processor using a null-modem cable. Do I need any software to remotely control the management processor (like the netfinity manager) ? |
| 03:02.55 | Alamahama | gravity, I cant get any responses at all over there...not even a "I dunno, might wanna check --" or anything. |
| 03:03.10 | gravity | Alamahama: Try mailing lists or web forums. |
| 03:03.17 | kspath | or google |
| 03:03.18 | lotusleaf | Alamahama, the last I'll say on this as it's offtopic is to activate the root account + password for compiling wine then deactive it after it has compiled. |
| 03:03.35 | gravity | lotusleaf: If you want to help him, feel free to do so in private /msg |
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| 03:03.43 | gravity | lotusleaf: I'm sure he'd appreciate it |
| 03:03.46 | lotusleaf | gravity, will do, thank you ;) |
| 03:03.47 | Alamahama | gravity, Ive tried many, and i aim to try more |
| 03:04.03 | Alamahama | lotusleaf, I have root activated :/ |
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| 03:04.32 | agney | anyone knows where I can find a debian installer with sata support ? |
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| 03:05.23 | Alamahama | Well, even though none (willingly or not) could provide an answer, thanks. I got more of a help from here than any "on topic" areas. Later |
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| 03:05.58 | kspath | backhanded compliments are the best |
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| 03:06.37 | PerfDave | I've got an ADSL connection which is called on boot by /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot.dsl calling 'pppd call'. How can I set some firewall rules after my ADSL connection has come up? |
| 03:06.38 | gravity | Never did it cross his mind that it might be advantageous to join the Debian community, since we're obviously So Damn Smart(tm) ;-) |
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| 03:13.31 | raden | is there a simple program to play DVDs in linux ? |
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| 03:13.45 | FourierSeries | mplayer? |
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| 03:14.52 | Thanatermesis | how to know what is the error 141 of dpkg ? |
| 03:14.58 | zmaster | yes,i think mplayer is not bad! |
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| 03:16.18 | PerfDave | raden: vlc is a very simple program for playing DVDs, as is ogle (and okle) |
| 03:16.38 | PerfDave | vlc is a good general-purpose media player, much nicer to handle than xine or mplayer but less powerful. |
| 03:16.59 | FourierSeries | !start media player wars |
| 03:17.04 | FourierSeries | durn |
| 03:17.08 | raden | PerfDave, thanks : ) |
| 03:17.10 | PerfDave | !start a media player war |
| 03:17.11 | dpkg | mplayer ownz you, and xine sucks ass! |
| 03:17.16 | LoneWlf794 | Anyone know a place that lists default permissions for files? I botched all the permissions in /*/* and need to reset them. |
| 03:17.18 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 03:17.19 | FourierSeries | !! |
| 03:17.19 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 03:17.34 | FourierSeries | O_o |
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| 03:17.37 | FourierSeries | even better! |
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| 03:19.21 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: In your entire root partition? |
| 03:19.33 | LoneWlf794 | Yes. |
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| 03:20.29 | boinkder | Hello, I am having troubles with my sound. I ran alsaconf and it said it set everything up correctly, but I am still not getting any sound. Am I missing something? |
| 03:20.42 | bsims | boinkder: alsamixer turn the sound on |
| 03:20.56 | kingsley | Why does apt-cache search find packages named linux-headers-2.6.14 but kernel-headers-2.6.8? |
| 03:21.02 | bsims | FourierSeries: isn't that what dist-upgrade is for? |
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| 03:21.21 | bsims | kingsley: cause they felt like being more consistant |
| 03:21.33 | FourierSeries | bsims: would it help to reset the file permissions? |
| 03:21.43 | nayyares | i need to know which tool can be used in linux for text to voice |
| 03:21.47 | nayyares | ? |
| 03:21.53 | boinkder | bsims: it appears it is already on |
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| 03:22.15 | bsims | boinkder: hrm dunno does $speaker have its own volume |
| 03:22.35 | kingsley | nayyares: festival |
| 03:22.55 | nayyares | like microsoft TTS, is there any software in linux to convert Text-to-sound? |
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| 03:23.01 | boinkder | bsims: I am not seeing $speaker (sorry I am new to linux, it is supposed to be in alsamixer right?) |
| 03:23.21 | bsims | sorry geek joke does the speaker itself have a volule knob |
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| 03:23.37 | lgn | hiya |
| 03:23.59 | boinkder | lol oh hehe I am slow today, it is a laptop and yeah the sound is on |
| 03:24.09 | lgn | has anyone had problems with cryptsetup/dm the past few days? i'm no longer able to do anything, even with a test file using loopback stuff |
| 03:24.10 | boinkder | If I run knoppix livecd it works fine |
| 03:24.10 | resc | nayyares: yes, lemme look for a moment |
| 03:24.22 | bsims | hrm dunno then... do you use KDE or Gnome |
| 03:24.23 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: one last question - did you change the user:group permissions or just things like the read/write/executible permissions? |
| 03:24.32 | boinkder | KDE I believe |
| 03:24.57 | bsims | hrm try the demo sound in Kontrol Panel it may not be starting ArtsD the KDE sound daemon |
| 03:25.04 | resc | nayyares: recite is one... try apt-cache search text speech |
| 03:25.09 | LoneWlf794 | I did chgrp 1001 /*/* |
| 03:25.15 | LoneWlf794 | I mean to use a relative path but used absolute. |
| 03:25.26 | LoneWlf794 | So then I realized what I had done and did chgrp 0 /*/* |
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| 03:26.06 | nayyares | resc: i am currently on windows machine, if you could tel me the name of that software, thanks |
| 03:26.27 | boinkder | bsims: I am looking for it now one minute |
| 03:26.36 | resc | nayyares: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/ and search in the page for "speech" |
| 03:26.40 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: most things you can do a "chgrp root" to, especially /sbin /usr/sbin /bin and so on. |
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| 03:26.59 | jon_ | HI |
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| 03:27.17 | bsims | jon_: check your caps lock <g> |
| 03:27.25 | jon_ | Yeah I know, sorry. |
| 03:27.25 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: this will restore most of your functionality. I, personally, would then do reinstalls of all the basic pakages for good meause. |
| 03:27.29 | kingsley | bsims: Thanks. |
| 03:27.45 | bsims | kingsley: np |
| 03:28.00 | LoneWlf794 | FourierSeries: Didn't I do the same thing by changed them to gid 0. |
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| 03:28.21 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: could be, lemmie check, one moe ... |
| 03:28.31 | jon_ | I installed DebianNetinstall, but it has no gui it's just a big black screen like terminal. Do I have to manually install a WM like: sudo apt-get install xfce4 ? |
| 03:28.42 | [[^GaLaPaGoS^]] | hello |
| 03:28.55 | [[^GaLaPaGoS^]] | what fuckin' is happening there?? |
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| 03:29.18 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: Ok, yep that puts it a "root" |
| 03:29.38 | lunitik | jon_: if you chose "manually select packages" and left aptitude without doing anything... then yes |
| 03:29.40 | [[^GaLaPaGoS^]] | can anyone talk to me in this fucking chat? |
| 03:29.44 | lunitik | jon_: else, you messed up |
| 03:29.47 | jon_ | :( |
| 03:29.48 | PerfDave | jon_: You had the option during the installer to install a GUI desktop. You can either go to that option again by running "tasksel" as root, which will install full Gnome and KDE for you, or you can install packages by hand. |
| 03:29.50 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: so your "home" partitions are now bad, /home/user1 /home/user2 ,etc |
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| 03:30.09 | LoneWlf794 | Well someone one #LinHelp fixed my su |
| 03:30.10 | jon_ | so, do i have to run the installer disc back up? |
| 03:30.15 | [[^GaLaPaGoS^]] | \( )/possie\( )/ you can suck mi dick |
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| 03:30.32 | LoneWlf794 | chmod 4711 /bin/su |
| 03:30.34 | LoneWlf794 | That's how. |
| 03:30.34 | lunitik | jon_: yes... and type 'linux26' at the prompt also... |
| 03:30.38 | [[^GaLaPaGoS^]] | \( )/harleyg\( )/ your mother fucker |
| 03:30.39 | chea1 | jon_: no |
| 03:30.51 | [[^GaLaPaGoS^]] | goodbye hijos de puta |
| 03:30.52 | chealer | jon_: as PerfDave said |
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| 03:30.56 | lunitik | jon_: just as a side question... what is your video card? |
| 03:31.09 | jon_ | nvidia |
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| 03:31.18 | gravity | Hrmpf. Too slow. |
| 03:31.23 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: btw, I have seen this *exact* same problem on a SCO server box. Took us a while to settle things down. |
| 03:31.42 | LoneWlf794 | Yeah, I imagine I'll be up most of the night fixing it, but I'm up to it. |
| 03:31.43 | jon_ | alright, so boot into debian and type: tasksel and then just fallow along? |
| 03:31.52 | LoneWlf794 | I just need to know where to start. |
| 03:31.58 | LoneWlf794 | And then I'll go from there. |
| 03:32.15 | LoneWlf794 | Oh, and if it helps any I'm running Debian 3.1 Kernel 2.6 |
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| 03:32.26 | chealer | jon_: then you choose the Desktop environment task if you want gnome and KDE |
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| 03:33.12 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: I think what you really need is to look at someone else's filesystem for comparison ... perhaps you can install Debian on another throw away box? |
| 03:33.27 | jon_ | alright...since ubuntu is a son of Debian once I get it running can I type this in terminal and use xfce instead? sudo apt-get install xfce4 |
| 03:33.32 | LoneWlf794 | Wish I had a throwaway box. |
| 03:33.33 | anonomouse | im looking to install wlanng drivers to get my wifi card working... anyone have a good way about doing this? |
| 03:33.37 | nayyares | resc: thanks alot |
| 03:33.42 | gravity | jon_: Ask in #ubuntu please |
| 03:34.00 | anonomouse | i tried to apt-get the unstable drivers.. but i dont think they match the kernel im running |
| 03:34.09 | jon_ | gravity: no, what I ment was would that code work in debians terminal too since ubuntu is a son of debian |
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| 03:34.12 | Lilldude10 | xfce how much ram it need? |
| 03:34.27 | LoneWlf794 | FourierSeries: Any way I can retrieve it from the DVD? |
| 03:34.29 | jon_ | i dunno, it's minimalistic. |
| 03:34.33 | chealer | jon_: ubuntu is not a "son" of Debian, it's a fork |
| 03:34.39 | gravity | jon_: sudo isn't installed by default in Debian, so you'll have to su to root or install sudo yourself |
| 03:34.53 | gravity | jon_: Other than that, yes |
| 03:34.58 | jon_ | ohh, so then su apt-get install xfce4 |
| 03:35.00 | gravity | At least, I assume so |
| 03:35.02 | boinkder | bsims: I found it and I tested some sounds and they work. Thank you very much for your help, I appreciate it |
| 03:35.32 | gravity | jon_: su -c "apt-get install xfce4" |
| 03:35.34 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: actually, if you can find a Knoppix CD, or a runnible CD version of debian, that may help as a filesystem comparison. |
| 03:35.39 | gravity | jon_: su is not sudo |
| 03:35.50 | LoneWlf794 | I have an old Knoppix. |
| 03:35.54 | jon_ | alright... i thought terminal wuld be the same... |
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| 03:35.55 | LoneWlf794 | Will it matter about Kernel version? |
| 03:36.04 | LoneWlf794 | I also have SuSE live and a whole bunch of others. |
| 03:36.10 | gravity | jon_: If you want sudo, it can be installed |
| 03:36.10 | LoneWlf794 | Let me go find it real quick. |
| 03:36.12 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: in fact Knoppix may give you a good idea on what to set most of the files too. |
| 03:36.21 | LoneWlf794 | Alright. |
| 03:36.26 | jon_ | naa, i'll come back once i get debian running and worry about it |
| 03:36.30 | LoneWlf794 | Then I'm gonna go and boot it on the other pc. |
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| 03:36.44 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: remember, you do not want to actually install it, just use it as a comparison. |
| 03:36.49 | LoneWlf794 | Any suggestions on how to go about it? |
| 03:36.54 | jon_ | soo i'll be back :D you guys are a lot more helpful then the ubuntu irc |
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| 03:37.45 | jon_ | and the command is: tasksel right |
| 03:37.56 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: basically, you are going to have to do an "ls -l" for each directory, and set the permissions on your debian box to the same. This will only get you into the ball park. |
| 03:38.16 | recall | Any suggestions for Amarok & Etch? It appears that the two are mutually exclusive at the moment, without getting kde-devel... |
| 03:38.17 | LoneWlf794 | So, ls -l /bin |
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| 03:38.26 | LoneWlf794 | Then go to my box and chmod to whatever came up on Knoppix? |
| 03:38.30 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: A Debian "live" CD would be best by the way. |
| 03:38.33 | gravity | jon_: Yeah, tasksel will get you going |
| 03:38.37 | jon_ | k ty |
| 03:38.39 | LoneWlf794 | Hm. |
| 03:38.46 | LoneWlf794 | I'll download a live one tonight then. |
| 03:38.54 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: if there is such a thing ... and yes "ls -l /bin" check it out etc... |
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| 03:39.07 | LoneWlf794 | Okay, thanks, much appreciated. |
| 03:39.08 | LoneWlf794 | Night all. |
| 03:39.47 | chealer | recall: a bit of patience |
| 03:39.47 | _joey | which modules should I load to get serial ports ? |
| 03:40.21 | LoneWlf794 | Ouch. |
| 03:40.27 | LoneWlf794 | No live Debian CD's. |
| 03:40.31 | LoneWlf794 | Only Knoppix. |
| 03:40.33 | SerajewelKS | _joey: that's like asking what module you should load to get a printer |
| 03:40.40 | Tortel | hmm, when I use apt-get -build-dep it comes up with "E: Command line option 'i' [from -build-dep] is not known. |
| 03:40.40 | Tortel | " |
| 03:40.44 | LoneWlf794 | Says it's Debian-based though, so I'm gonna try it Fourier. |
| 03:41.00 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: even still, bringing a crippled Debian box back up to snuff should be much easier. |
| 03:41.04 | SerajewelKS | Tortel: apt-get build-dep |
| 03:41.09 | SerajewelKS | Tortel: not -build-dep |
| 03:41.10 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: 'K |
| 03:41.14 | Tortel | oh, ty |
| 03:41.42 | abrotman | hey! |
| 03:41.51 | Tortel | hey! |
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| 03:41.52 | FourierSeries | LoneWlf794: PS - with the SCO box I had nothing to compare it to. |
| 03:41.59 | _joey | okay to get special char files under /deI can connect to serial ports using various applications |
| 03:42.04 | recall | chealer, is it close? The last mailing list message about the topic was from Nov., so.. :-/ |
| 03:42.20 | _joey | is that better ?:) |
| 03:42.21 | SerajewelKS | _joey: do you have the /dev nodes already? |
| 03:42.27 | SerajewelKS | _joey: and are you using udev? |
| 03:42.27 | _joey | no |
| 03:42.55 | SerajewelKS | _joey: if you don't have the /dev nodes for serial ports and you aren't using udev, something is borked |
| 03:42.56 | chealer | recall: relatively. best to ask #debian-kde |
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| 03:43.24 | SerajewelKS | chealer: speaking of KDE, my last holdout before dist-upgrading to KDE 3.4 is amarok =/ |
| 03:43.42 | _joey | for fsck sake man |
| 03:43.44 | FourierSeries | :-) |
| 03:43.52 | chealer | SerajewelKS: heh, you're running an old etch with 3.3? |
| 03:43.57 | recall | chealer, I don't want to wake them, they are usually sleeping. =) |
| 03:44.05 | _joey | don't brag on if y ou don't know the name of the modules that should beloaded |
| 03:44.14 | SerajewelKS | chealer: yeah, i've been doing 'apt-get upgrade' nightly to pull in new stuff without KDE |
| 03:44.22 | chealer | recall: only 10 times as much as here :) |
| 03:44.32 | Tortel | umm, anyone else having problems with gpredict? |
| 03:44.32 | SerajewelKS | _joey: chances are the module is loaded |
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| 03:44.47 | abrotman | _joey: have you tried looking in modconf for a module that might help you ? |
| 03:44.48 | Tortel | http://69.250.79.13/pics/stupid.jpg |
| 03:44.49 | SerajewelKS | _joey: the presence or abscense of a /dev node means nothing about loaded modules, unless you're using udev |
| 03:44.51 | chealer | SerajewelKS: ok. well, you're waiting for the c2a transition too |
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| 03:44.58 | Tortel | my error, the foreward button dont work |
| 03:45.06 | SerajewelKS | chealer: yeah i'm waiting on a lot of shit =) |
| 03:45.08 | FourierSeries | gpredict? is that a lotto thingie? |
| 03:45.11 | jon_ | hey, it says i need to login as root, how do i do that? and what do i click Webserver or Mailserver? |
| 03:45.22 | FourierSeries | o_O |
| 03:45.31 | SerajewelKS | !wayttd jon_ |
| 03:45.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jon_? |
| 03:45.32 | abrotman | jon_: say what ? |
| 03:45.38 | Guerin | FourierSeries: no, it's electronic voting software |
| 03:45.51 | FourierSeries | Guerin: GO Diebold! |
| 03:45.55 | jon_ | i messed up during installation and i clicked Manual Package install |
| 03:46.01 | FourierSeries | ( or something ... ) |
| 03:46.08 | jon_ | so now i need to go back and install a WM |
| 03:46.22 | SerajewelKS | "clicked?" debian setup has a GUI now? |
| 03:46.23 | lunitik | jon_: su - as a user will prompt you for roots password |
| 03:46.28 | abrotman | jon_: what desktop do you want ? |
| 03:46.31 | lunitik | jon_: you got that far, correct? |
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| 03:47.15 | jon_ | YEAH |
| 03:47.26 | abrotman | what desktop again ? |
| 03:47.29 | jon_ | so when it comes up type in su - to login as root? |
| 03:47.43 | Guerin | not su - |
| 03:47.51 | Guerin | who keeps telling people to su - |
| 03:47.57 | jon_ | lol |
| 03:48.02 | abrotman | Guerin: a putz ? |
| 03:48.12 | lunitik | Guerin: umm... to become root? umm... sudo isn't configured by default... this is a new install... |
| 03:48.13 | Guerin | just plain su; |
| 03:48.20 | jon_ | k |
| 03:48.26 | jon_ | so i'll brb :) |
| 03:48.28 | lunitik | Guerin: 'env' after each |
| 03:48.29 | Guerin | lunitik: note the -, which is unnecessary |
| 03:48.39 | Guerin | and a bad habit to get into |
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| 03:48.52 | lunitik | Guerin: su - is roots environment... su is just roots permissions :/ |
| 03:49.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: what's wrong with su - |
| 03:49.09 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's unnecessary |
| 03:49.11 | jon_ | alright... i'll brb guys i'm gunna go install :D |
| 03:49.19 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: doesn't make it "wrong" |
| 03:49.30 | abrotman | it's so oooo ooo wrong! |
| 03:49.42 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i didn't say it was wrong, just that it was unnecessary |
| 03:49.49 | lunitik | Guerin: some things don't compile, for instance... without roots environment |
| 03:49.51 | Guerin | and a bad habit, because it breaks some thigns |
| 03:49.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: kartoo.com ? |
| 03:50.00 | lunitik | Guerin: many things complain... |
| 03:50.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: what? |
| 03:50.12 | Guerin | lunitik: wtf ... what do you need to compile as root? |
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| 03:50.31 | lunitik | Guerin: thats not what you mean... |
| 03:50.38 | cmatheson | lunitik: yeah you shouldn't be compiling as root |
| 03:50.39 | lunitik | Guerin: but there are many things... |
| 03:50.41 | Guerin | lunitik: no, it IS what I mean. |
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| 03:50.58 | Guerin | lunitik: name three programs which MUST be compiled as root |
| 03:51.02 | Guerin | in debian gnu/linux |
| 03:51.06 | lawnchair | bleh any obvious reason why my keyboard isnt responding in mplayer |
| 03:51.32 | lunitik | Guerin: none if you compile it with a different ROOT (/) :/ |
| 03:51.39 | Guerin | lunitik: wtf |
| 03:51.40 | Nwallins | lawnchair: pebkac? |
| 03:51.48 | Guerin | lunitik: you lose. |
| 03:51.52 | recall | Wait - are we playing Family Feud? |
| 03:51.57 | gravity | lunitik: Are you using a chroot to compile your software? |
| 03:52.00 | Guerin | recall: no, EejitQuest |
| 03:52.02 | lawnchair | Nwallins, eh? |
| 03:52.09 | Guerin | he's a troll and I'm a trollslayer |
| 03:52.14 | Nwallins | lawnchair: sorry, trolling |
| 03:52.29 | abrotman | what the fuck is going on around here? |
| 03:52.31 | lunitik | Guerin: I believe you brought it up... and it was entirely unrelated to anything... but ok... |
| 03:52.47 | lunitik | Guerin: even if both are right... what did it have to do with the discussion? |
| 03:52.49 | abrotman | lunitik: what does compiling stuff as root have to do with `su -` ? |
| 03:52.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you mean at this moment, or just this channel, in general as it exists |
| 03:52.54 | Guerin | lunitik: no, YOU brought it up. 12:49:44 < lunitik> Guerin: some things don't compile, for instance... without roots environment |
| 03:52.54 | lunitik | Guerin: you just want to sound intelligent? |
| 03:53.24 | Guerin | lunitik: no, you said that as a reason why I was wrong. I'm just trying to demonstrate that I'm not. |
| 03:53.30 | lunitik | Guerin who keeps telling people to su - <--- no you did :/ |
| 03:53.34 | Guerin | Not that I needed to demonstrate that to anyone with a clue. |
| 03:53.35 | FourierSeries | so, anyway, about the users' problem ... |
| 03:53.38 | abrotman | lunitik: what software requires to be compiled as root ? |
| 03:53.47 | lunitik | Guerin: wth did that have to do with ANYTHING... enlighten me... what I said wasn't wrong... |
| 03:53.51 | caphuso | lunitik: drop it, before things get worse |
| 03:54.03 | Guerin | lunitik: ok, so answer the question that I asked, and that abrotman asked. |
| 03:54.17 | lunitik | Guerin: I did... |
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| 03:54.26 | lunitik | lunitik Guerin: none if you compile it with a different ROOT (/) :/ |
| 03:54.32 | Guerin | !jatfq lunitik |
| 03:54.32 | dpkg | lunitik: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 03:54.40 | Guerin | jazzmanss: so you're wrong, then. |
| 03:54.43 | lunitik | Guerin: you can't read can you? |
| 03:54.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:54.45 | Guerin | lunitik: |
| 03:54.53 | abrotman | he didn't answer me :) |
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| 03:55.00 | lunitik | read what I just pasted... I think you'll find its an answer... |
| 03:55.02 | Guerin | lunitik: no, that's my problem ... I can, but am arguing with someone who apparently can't. |
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| 03:55.13 | gravity | Geez... ok. Chill out. This is a stupid argument. |
| 03:55.23 | gravity | Let's get back to helping people rather than having a meta-argument |
| 03:55.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: out of curiosity, do kernel modules need to be compiled as root? (m-a a-i ...) |
| 03:55.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i've never used m-a |
| 03:55.46 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: they need to be installed as root, but not built as. |
| 03:55.52 | jon_ | It wont work...it popped up with 3 dependency error and that i have requested an irreversible task or something...what do i do now? run the installer disc back? |
| 03:56.01 | lunitik | Guerin: seriously... unless something I say is ENTIRELY wrong... just stfu, k? thanks |
| 03:56.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: ah. i suppose it's not a cardinal sin to build them as root though? |
| 03:56.07 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: m-a needs to run as root for that reason, and because it can install new packages required for the build. |
| 03:56.16 | Guerin | lunitik: i remember why you were banned, now. |
| 03:56.17 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: ah, gotcha |
| 03:56.33 | lunitik | Guerin: what I said wouldn't work? |
| 03:56.44 | lunitik | Guerin: I'm pretty sure it will... |
| 03:57.08 | caphuso | Guerin: care to give me a reminder? |
| 03:57.08 | jon_ | oO |
| 03:57.17 | Guerin | lunitik: i'm not going to explain it again for the one person in the channel who doesn't get it. |
| 03:57.30 | gravity | lunitik Guerin Cool it |
| 03:57.33 | Guerin | caphuso: it's old history. You might remember fearl. |
| 03:57.52 | jon_ | so...can anyone...help? |
| 03:58.15 | gravity | jon_: So what exactly did you do and what exactly whas the error? |
| 03:58.18 | Guerin | jon_: what precisely did you try to install? |
| 03:58.19 | FourierSeries | jon_: are you compiling something, or just doing a package install ? |
| 03:58.22 | odla | ;) |
| 03:58.36 | lunitik | jon_: 'su' and start installing things |
| 03:58.42 | Guerin | he's just done the install, and hit 'manual package selection' by accident |
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| 03:58.51 | Guerin | and is now trying to install stuff |
| 03:58.53 | FourierSeries | Guerin: Ah. |
| 03:58.55 | lunitik | jon_: umm... log in as your user first |
| 03:58.58 | Guerin | he has root, but he has dep problems |
| 03:58.59 | jon_ | lunitik: It wont let me!! It said I did something that is irreversible. |
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| 03:59.08 | Guerin | lunitik: try to keep up at the back, there. |
| 03:59.12 | gravity | jon_: What did you do? |
| 03:59.21 | caphuso | lunitik: if you don't have anything useful to say, shut up |
| 03:59.44 | jon_ | I logged in typed in "su" i got into root then I typed "tasksel" and it came up with several erors |
| 03:59.55 | FourierSeries | jon_: what package(s)? |
| 04:00.00 | recall | i'm going to go get some more stones guys |
| 04:00.00 | recall | we're running low |
| 04:00.02 | lunitik | jon_: care to tell us some? |
| 04:00.07 | jon_ | I didn't check it... |
| 04:00.10 | Guerin | jon_: ok, good. Close tasksel and run 'aptitude -f install;' as root |
| 04:00.16 | abrotman | jon_: what are you actually trying to install ? |
| 04:00.19 | gravity | Good call |
| 04:00.21 | jon_ | Debian |
| 04:00.27 | Guerin | abrotman: he doesn't have anything but base right now. |
| 04:00.28 | abrotman | damn it .. it got late! |
| 04:00.38 | gravity | jon_: I'd do what Guerin said and then run tasksel after aptitude is done |
| 04:00.39 | jon_ | Guerin THANK YOU!! You got it, it has something to do with aptitude. |
| 04:00.51 | gravity | Not exactly |
| 04:00.55 | Guerin | well |
| 04:01.06 | jon_ | no, when the errors popped up it said something about aptitude |
| 04:01.09 | Guerin | aptitude will either fix the dependencies, or tell us why they're broken |
| 04:01.27 | jon_ | ok, ty. i'll go try |
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| 04:02.07 | jon_ | so type in "aptitude -f install" after thats done do "tasksel" > |
| 04:02.10 | abrotman | it's wednesday? |
| 04:02.17 | jon_ | no, almost :) |
| 04:02.19 | abrotman | gah .. no .. |
| 04:02.34 | Guerin | jon_: yes, try that. |
| 04:02.39 | jon_ | k thanks |
| 04:02.41 | Guerin | it's wednesday here |
| 04:02.51 | abrotman | FourierSeries: don't you have some gambling to do ? |
| 04:03.02 | lunar | it's Wednesday in Australia, methinks |
| 04:03.13 | Nwallins | 57 mins here |
| 04:03.20 | abrotman | lunar: everyone knows they don't use calendars in australia |
| 04:03.31 | FourierSeries | abrotman: lol, nah. Only way to walk out of a casio with it's money is to draw a paycheck. |
| 04:03.38 | Guerin | hrm, someone told me we were due 20cm of snow today |
| 04:03.48 | Guerin | but the weather forecast only says 3 |
| 04:03.52 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: you must live in close latitudinal proximity to me |
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| 04:04.10 | Guerin | 20cm of snow would cause shit to grind to a halt, and would be a great excuse for me to go home early |
| 04:04.17 | caphuso | Guerin: different dimensions, height vs. length or so |
| 04:04.17 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: "Sin" city ( AC, nj ) here. |
| 04:04.22 | Guerin | caphuso: heh |
| 04:04.28 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: last i heard, longintudinal proximity is directly related to TZ |
| 04:04.31 | abrotman | FourierSeries: sin city is Las vegasa |
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| 04:04.43 | Guerin | sin city is bangkok |
| 04:04.49 | Guerin | you merkins ain't got nothing on asia |
| 04:04.51 | FourierSeries | abrotman: Ok - sin city, east. |
| 04:04.54 | Nwallins | NO has been 'sin city'... AC, LV |
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| 04:04.55 | surfdue | hehe |
| 04:04.56 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: longitude is north-south |
| 04:04.58 | Guerin | FourierSeries: see above |
| 04:04.59 | surfdue | put this in your topic: w!nd0w$ xp r3411y $uck$, $0 ju$7 g37 d38!4n 4nd c411 !7 4 d4y, k? |
| 04:05.15 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: the longitudinal lines run N-S, but they measure E-W |
| 04:05.16 | gravity | surfdue: No |
| 04:05.20 | surfdue | aws |
| 04:05.24 | surfdue | gravity, :) |
| 04:05.26 | surfdue | have some fun. |
| 04:05.30 | abrotman | FourierSeries: dunno .. from what i remember . it's just a dirty beach town :) |
| 04:05.59 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: whoops. there's one thing i've forgotten since elementary school. |
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| 04:06.05 | FourierSeries | abrotman: I must be channeling a marketer, cause' that's about right. |
| 04:06.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:06.40 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: well, mentally i'm still there so..... |
| 04:06.56 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: haha |
| 04:07.08 | abrotman | Nwallins: he did say latitude |
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| 04:07.16 | Nwallins | abrotman: pwned |
| 04:07.20 | svref | I have a utf-8 encoded html file. Emacs opens it fine, but I need to change it to latin-1. How can I find the funky characters? |
| 04:07.21 | abrotman | gravity: what evolution ? |
| 04:07.22 | abrotman | Nwallins: ? |
| 04:07.27 | abrotman | Nwallins: he said it .. not me .. |
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| 04:07.38 | gravity | heh |
| 04:07.51 | Nwallins | abrotman: hmm... does latitude measure N-S or E-W? IYHO |
| 04:08.01 | SerajewelKS | svref: open the document and look for the disco ball |
| 04:08.06 | abrotman | Nwallins: latitude measures N-S |
| 04:08.10 | Nwallins | ok, nm |
| 04:08.22 | abrotman | Nwallins: i used to sail .. i can count to 180! :) |
| 04:08.36 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: i even had a mnemonic for which is which. of course i remember it after picking the wrong one. =) |
| 04:08.40 | Nwallins | lat is fat |
| 04:08.52 | abrotman | long is song ? |
| 04:08.54 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: actually, no... |
| 04:09.31 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: longitude is "longer" than latitude since it wraps around the globe forever... the east-west thing |
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| 04:09.39 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: cheesy, but it works. when i remember it, that is. |
| 04:09.50 | anonomouse | can anyone point me in the right direction for some help on getting wlanng drivers compiled |
| 04:09.51 | svref | SerajewelKS: open it in what app? |
| 04:09.52 | Nwallins | true.. an interesting artifact of mapping a plane to a sphere |
| 04:10.02 | SerajewelKS | svref: it was a joke.. nevermind |
| 04:10.06 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: are you saying latitude lines don't wrap ? |
| 04:10.21 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no, but there's a definite point when you stop going north and start going south |
| 04:10.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you don't stop going east or west |
| 04:10.44 | Nwallins | alaska is the eastern- and western-most point in the US |
| 04:10.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i wouldn't exactly say that .. but whatever |
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| 04:10.59 | Nwallins | s/point/state/ |
| 04:11.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well, if you start walking due west and don't change direction, you continue west forever |
| 04:11.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: if you start walking due north, you start going south when you reach the north pole |
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| 04:11.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: anyway that's how i remember it. like i said it's cheesy. |
| 04:11.48 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: or be stuck at the north pole! |
| 04:11.50 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you haven't read 'At The Mountains Of Madness' Have you? |
| 04:11.58 | Nwallins | abrotman: hah! |
| 04:11.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that might be fun =) |
| 04:12.06 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: of course .. "soon" the poles will flip again! |
| 04:12.07 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: actually no |
| 04:12.20 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you'd never trust a penguin again |
| 04:12.22 | FourierSeries | Guerin: who needs to read it? we'er here ain't we? |
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| 04:12.49 | Guerin | FourierSeries: no ... these are the Hillocks of Eccentricity |
| 04:12.52 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 04:13.04 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: actually i want to own a penguin. i've wanted one since before i found linux actually, which partially explains my draw to it. |
| 04:13.11 | FourierSeries | "Passionate Eccentricity" |
| 04:13.20 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: move to NZ |
| 04:13.27 | SerajewelKS | longitudinal eccentricity |
| 04:13.45 | Piranha | Tell me that the netboot d-i installer will handle NFS. |
| 04:13.48 | Piranha | Just, please tell me. |
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| 04:14.09 | FourierSeries | sigh. |
| 04:14.54 | abrotman | TFTP |
| 04:15.09 | Piranha | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 04:15.12 | FourierSeries | Although I *have* "done" IBM thin clients off of an AS/400 |
| 04:15.14 | Piranha | That makes it look easy and grand. |
| 04:15.36 | FourierSeries | BOOTP |
| 04:15.44 | Piranha | Too bad booting from CD-ROM is still more convenient, but the CD-ROM kernel doesn't support NFS, nor is an NFS module apparently available from the installer. |
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| 04:16.10 | Piranha | And apparently no one cares, according to Google. |
| 04:16.12 | Piranha | Irksome. |
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| 04:16.45 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: why do you need NFS at the installer phase |
| 04:16.54 | Piranha | Because the system doesn't have a disk. |
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| 04:17.08 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: floppy or cdrom or ...? |
| 04:17.09 | Piranha | I want to install, for a system that will be doing NFS boot and root. |
| 04:17.25 | Piranha | Has a CD-ROM drive, temporarily. That's why I tried CD-ROM installation first. |
| 04:17.34 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: ah, so you want to do a network boot of the netinstall image? |
| 04:17.49 | Piranha | SerajewelKS: Not really, I have to. |
| 04:17.58 | Piranha | I want to do network booting of the final system, though. |
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| 04:18.19 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: well, i looked at doing that a while back and gave up =/ |
| 04:18.20 | Piranha | Here goes nothing. |
| 04:18.28 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: just out of sheer boredom |
| 04:19.00 | sanxiyn | Hm, isn't it the time to change "xorg sarge" factoid to point to backports.org? |
| 04:19.09 | gravity | sanxiyn: Go for it |
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| 04:21.09 | FourierSeries | !factoid |
| 04:21.09 | dpkg | it has been said that factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 04:21.15 | FourierSeries | o_O |
| 04:21.16 | qnix_ | hi - does any one know how to get the mouse to work with dual head g550 ? |
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| 04:21.34 | staniel_laptop | hello |
| 04:21.44 | staniel_laptop | what package do I need to get flash fonts to show? |
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| 04:22.03 | SerajewelKS | staniel_laptop: presumably you need the fonts |
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| 04:22.07 | Nwallins | staniel_laptop: what are you seeing now? |
| 04:22.11 | staniel_laptop | Nwallins: nothing |
| 04:22.17 | staniel_laptop | no fonts where there should be |
| 04:22.18 | qnix_ | I got my xorg.conf setup so I have two display on each monitor, but the mouse can only move around in one display |
| 04:22.28 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: some fonts in flash movies are invisible. this happens to me too on occasion. |
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| 04:22.53 | SerajewelKS | qnix_: which is why you don't set up two displays |
| 04:23.02 | SerajewelKS | qnix_: you need to set up two screens and use xinerama |
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| 04:24.30 | staniel_laptop | SerajewelKS: none of the flash fonts are showing thought, like even the flash settings dialog |
| 04:24.51 | SerajewelKS | staniel_laptop: try installing msttcorefonts |
| 04:25.18 | staniel_laptop | SerajewelKS: already done - that was done a while ago |
| 04:25.29 | SerajewelKS | staniel_laptop: hrm.. dunno then =/ |
| 04:25.38 | SerajewelKS | staniel_laptop: i have an XP setup and just copied a lot of the fonts from that |
| 04:26.42 | SerajewelKS | staniel_laptop: granted, it'd be nice if the flash plugin told you exactly which fonts were missing so you could install them |
| 04:26.59 | SerajewelKS | staniel_laptop: it might spit that out of stderr in firefox/mozilla/whatever |
| 04:28.12 | qnix_ | SerajewelKS, yep - i need some more tweaking in the ServerLayout section - thanks |
| 04:28.25 | SerajewelKS | qnix_: np |
| 04:28.31 | SerajewelKS | qnix_: are you on nvidia by any chance? |
| 04:29.00 | qnix_ | SerajewelKS, no, I am using a Matrox G550 - it's rather old. |
| 04:29.23 | SerajewelKS | qnix_: ah okay. nvidia has a weird xinerama setup thing, so just making sure you didn't have to mess with that. |
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| 04:30.49 | benjamindees | does debian (sarge) install a processor-specific kernel by default, or 386? |
| 04:31.22 | PerfDave | benjamindees: IIRC if you install from CD you get -386, if you install from DVD you get an optimised one |
| 04:31.41 | buu | Hrm. Anyone know how I can make oowriter launch two windows? |
| 04:32.01 | PerfDave | How can I run a script when ppp0 comes up? It's controlled from /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot.dsl |
| 04:32.01 | buu | If I start it while it's already running it uses the previously existing copy to create a window there. |
| 04:32.35 | benjamindees | PerfDave, so I guess they're available on one of the later cd images... |
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| 04:33.01 | PerfDave | benjamindees: Somewhere ;) |
| 04:33.25 | sanxiyn | buu: I'd like to know that too. |
| 04:33.26 | qnix_ | SerajewelKS, it works - thanks again! |
| 04:33.41 | SerajewelKS | qnix_: np |
| 04:33.43 | buu | sanxiyn: =[ |
| 04:33.50 | SerajewelKS | qnix_: indeed =) |
| 04:34.21 | sanxiyn | buu: Am I correct in that you are looking for something like firefox -ProfileManager? |
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| 04:35.13 | benjamindees | any way to find out what packages are on what cds? |
| 04:35.35 | sanxiyn | !which cd |
| 04:35.35 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 04:35.39 | buu | sanxiyn: Probably? |
| 04:36.09 | benjamindees | god bless stew :) |
| 04:36.17 | sanxiyn | http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo/ seems to work. |
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| 04:41.50 | sifi | how can I figure out the latest version of debian (eg lynx -dump http://debian.org/debian_version/)? |
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| 04:43.37 | benjamindees | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release |
| 04:43.52 | sanxiyn | Version: 3.1r1 |
| 04:44.36 | sanxiyn | Hm, it seems http://www.debian.org/releases/ needs update then :-) |
| 04:44.47 | sanxiyn | " The current “stable” distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 3.1r0..." |
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| 04:45.32 | sifi | sanxiyn, right, any idea how I can print out 3.1r1 from that page |
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| 04:45.46 | gpm | hi. when i try to turn on DMA for my DVD drive, I get "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" ...using a stock debian kernel on sid. any advice? |
| 04:45.48 | sanxiyn | sifi: ? |
| 04:46.19 | FourierSeries | dd /dev/hda1 > lpd? |
| 04:46.38 | trev89 | if i am using jumper pins and not cable select, is it safe to move drives to different buses without affecting your installation? also, is it harmful to install from a cd-drive that is on the same bus as the target drive? |
| 04:47.03 | tvn | FourierSeries: I am from PA too |
| 04:47.07 | trev89 | gpm: firmware? |
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| 04:47.15 | sifi | sanxiyn, I am building a script which want the latest version putted in different places to work properly |
| 04:47.38 | trev89 | i know some drives dont allow dma without a firmware upgrade XD |
| 04:47.41 | FourierSeries | tvn: comcast feeds a bunch of stuff into cherry hill, et. all. *I* am from Atlantic city. |
| 04:47.44 | zorzella | anyone, I upgraded to etch, and my emacs now only shows boxes in place of letters. Any idea? |
| 04:47.44 | benjamindees | trev89, moving drives around isn't usually a good idea |
| 04:48.19 | benjamindees | trev89, the drive letter will change (for ide) |
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| 04:48.28 | FourierSeries | tvn: besides, Johnstown & Phill ain't exactly local. |
| 04:48.36 | tvn | zorten: you upgraded from 'working, stable' to 'testing,beta' ...... |
| 04:48.41 | trev89 | ah. right so they would need remounting |
| 04:48.52 | benjamindees | trev89, as for harmful, no, but slower |
| 04:49.05 | trev89 | aa lot slower? |
| 04:49.06 | sanxiyn | sifi: You could fetch Releases file, as benjamindees suggested. |
| 04:49.16 | sanxiyn | s/Releases/Release/ |
| 04:50.06 | sanxiyn | It seems that manual edit is needed to update www.debian.org/releases page. |
| 04:50.07 | sanxiyn | http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/releases/info?rev=1.28&root=webwml&view=auto |
| 04:50.15 | benjamindees | trev89, 1/2 as fast, at least |
| 04:50.19 | sifi | sanxiyn, yes, but how do I fetch the version from that file |
| 04:50.40 | sanxiyn | sifi: Huh? It's right there. |
| 04:50.42 | sanxiyn | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release |
| 04:50.53 | trev89 | eek. i think i will swap location of cd0 and remount post-install |
| 04:51.25 | sifi | sanxiyn, Yes but thats the only thing I want to print out in the shell for example |
| 04:51.25 | heny | lynx -dump ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release | grep Description | awk '{print $3}' |
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| 04:51.36 | sifi | sanxiyn, the rest of the document is not intresting |
| 04:52.00 | sanxiyn | sifi: lynx -dump ... | grep ^Version | cut -d ' ' -f 2 ? |
| 04:52.17 | anonomouse | can anyone help me out with wlan-ng drivers? |
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| 04:52.47 | nimak | anonomouse: whats up? |
| 04:53.13 | sifi | heny, shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 04:53.18 | anonomouse | nimak: well basically im trying to compile them on a 2.4 kernel and am pretty much lost |
| 04:53.29 | sifi | it has with the URL to do |
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| 04:53.44 | anonomouse | when i make config... it asks me to point it to my kernel source.. i do... it says it contains the headers but not full source |
| 04:54.09 | nimak | you want to grab the linux-source packages |
| 04:54.09 | FourierSeries | kernel-dev? of some sort? |
| 04:54.23 | trev89 | one last HD/architecture question: does having another drive purely for documents + files speed up operations on those files? |
| 04:54.27 | FourierSeries | anonomouse: whut nimak says. |
| 04:55.04 | benjamindees | trev89, quite possibly |
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| 04:55.12 | nimak | er, kernel-source for 2.4 i think |
| 04:55.33 | trev89 | thanks ben. i suppose it depends on how good your HD controller is |
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| 04:56.02 | benjamindees | trev89, that and many other things |
| 04:56.09 | anonomouse | ok also... i have packages in apt-get that everytime i install a new packages trys to reinstall ones that have failed... how do i remove those so it doesnt try and reinstall them everytime? |
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| 04:56.12 | trev89 | yeah :) |
| 04:56.33 | sanxiyn | anonomouse: apt-get remove [names] |
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| 04:56.50 | jon_ | back...it's still not working |
| 04:56.53 | anonomouse | ok |
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| 04:57.06 | sanxiyn | anonomouse: Which ones are failing? |
| 04:57.39 | anonomouse | ones that require 2.6 kernel i didnt relize it before i chose to install |
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| 04:57.47 | anonomouse | and i have 2.4 so they obviously fail |
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| 04:57.58 | sanxiyn | ah |
| 04:58.00 | anonomouse | should i get kernel-tree or kernel-source? |
| 04:58.16 | sanxiyn | if you aren't interested in upgrading to 2.4 now, remove them. |
| 04:58.46 | anonomouse | no i have 2.4 there packages reuqire 2.6.... im not interested in really upgrading to 2.6 |
| 04:59.13 | jon_ | i messed up during installation and checked 'Manual Install' i tried aptitude -f install and tasksel but they arn't working. Can I just reinsert the installer disc and write over what i've done? |
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| 04:59.41 | freeone3000 | Yeah, remember to reformat the partition though. |
| 04:59.42 | FourierSeries | jon_: a total reinstall? sure |
| 04:59.46 | freeone3000 | Otherwise you'll get a nasty error. |
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| 05:00.08 | FourierSeries | jon_: PS - whut freeone3000 said. |
| 05:00.11 | jon_ | ok, so I'm able to install over the partition of which it's on. Weew!! |
| 05:00.25 | jon_ | What, how do I format the partition? |
| 05:00.46 | FourierSeries | jon_: it should be an option during the install |
| 05:00.52 | jon_ | oh k. |
| 05:01.17 | jon_ | but between theese two options: web server and mail server which should I choose? |
| 05:01.53 | FourierSeries | jon_: personally - i just do the *most* basic system, and then upgrade from there. |
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| 05:02.30 | jon_ | you mean Manual install right? Thats what I did and thats why i got screwed |
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| 05:02.38 | dreamil | hi all |
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| 05:02.41 | jon_ | hi |
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| 05:02.59 | dreamil | not sure if this is right place to ask query on some apt-get problem |
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| 05:03.06 | FourierSeries | jon_: well, no. A basic "user" system, not a developer, or whatnot. |
| 05:03.34 | FourierSeries | jon_: you can always add the "emal" and or "webserver" later, even much later. |
| 05:03.34 | jon_ | oh k. but with my question what should I choose mail server or web server? |
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| 05:03.49 | dreamil | i am getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" error on all apt-get operations |
| 05:04.19 | FourierSeries | jon_: overall, web server is probably safer & easier. |
| 05:04.32 | jon_ | well, i checked manual install packages and thats what screwed me. Thanks, i'll do webserver then |
| 05:05.08 | FourierSeries | jon_: I do not think you will see any real troubel from a webserver install |
| 05:05.21 | FourierSeries | jon_: for what it is worth. |
| 05:05.40 | jon_ | alright...atleast if I get a GUI this time i'll be fine |
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| 05:07.17 | jon_ | woa this is freaky, i have that CPU meter and all i did was go on Firefox and it went all the way up to 100 |
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| 05:08.15 | Guerin | jon_: but it didn't stay there |
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| 05:08.31 | Guerin | or if it did, you're running flash and/or java with it |
| 05:08.33 | jon_ | na. |
| 05:08.42 | Guerin | dreamil: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 05:08.59 | jon_ | i just have an amazingly low ghz processor...1.79 just wont cut it. |
| 05:09.15 | FourierSeries | jon_: even still, web browsers are rather intense applications. |
| 05:09.21 | caphuso | welcome to the wonderful world of light-weight web browsing |
| 05:09.22 | Guerin | jon_: haha |
| 05:09.40 | FourierSeries | jon_: HAH! I am an 266mhz pentium here. I use Mozilla. |
| 05:09.41 | Guerin | jon_: i'm typing these words from a p3-833, connected by ssh to a p2-233 |
| 05:09.49 | jon_ | Xd |
| 05:09.51 | jon_ | lmao |
| 05:09.54 | FourierSeries | Guerin: not bad. |
| 05:10.11 | Guerin | FourierSeries: taking that venerable toshi on the road, too |
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| 05:10.30 | jon_ | well i cant wait to get my own computer heres the stats: 400mhz 128mb ram 13gb hd Linux would run sooo perfect on it!! |
| 05:10.42 | FourierSeries | Guerin: well, it's a Thinkpad. |
| 05:10.45 | sifi | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release says that the lastedt stable versionis: 3.1r1 but at ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/ I can find 3.0_r5 and a testing dir at the bottom which should indicate that 3.0_r5 is the latest version? |
| 05:10.59 | sanxiyn | sifi: No. |
| 05:11.06 | sanxiyn | 3.1 > 3.0, obviously. |
| 05:11.08 | jon_ | Thats the thing right? Most linux distros can run on older computers. |
| 05:11.17 | Guerin | sanxiyn: use a more up-to-date mirror |
| 05:11.26 | FourierSeries | jon_: you are describing my email server, basically |
| 05:11.33 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Eh, that wasn't to me? |
| 05:11.34 | jon_ | lol |
| 05:11.35 | sifi | sanxiyn, oh, sorry |
| 05:11.36 | Guerin | jon_: debian can be run on a 386 sx25 with 4MB ram |
| 05:11.39 | Guerin | sanxiyn: sorry |
| 05:11.49 | Guerin | sifi: ^ |
| 05:11.58 | concept10 | anyone know of a _stable_ application like the GNOME icon builder (GIB)? |
| 05:12.01 | itp560 | where can I find Howtos about settingup apache2 to work with Python CGI ? |
| 05:12.09 | FourierSeries | hell! I still have a x386 system with minix that is a fine web server lying around. |
| 05:12.13 | jon_ | wow, the debian server is a LOT more helpful....Guerin, wow! so once I get debian installed on my new machine it would run good eh? |
| 05:12.16 | Guerin | itp560: httpd.apache.org |
| 05:12.18 | anonomouse | i get the error when doing the make config for wlanng drivers... Kernel headers present but not full source.. i just did a grabbed the kernel-source-2.4.27 and extracted it to /usr/src and point the make config of the wlanng install to there but i get that error |
| 05:12.32 | Guerin | jon_: hell yeah, that machine has the chops to do anything other than play 3d games |
| 05:12.36 | sanxiyn | itp560: Eh, you need nothing? |
| 05:12.48 | sanxiyn | itp560: There's nothing specific about Python; it's just CGI. |
| 05:12.53 | jon_ | meh, who cares about games!!! |
| 05:13.02 | Guerin | jon_: too many people, apparently |
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| 05:13.05 | FourierSeries | *sacralidge!* |
| 05:13.08 | relic|int_80h | games? |
| 05:13.08 | itp560 | Guerin, sanxiyn what are the pkg I have to install ? |
| 05:13.13 | Guerin | FourierSeries: spellcriledge! |
| 05:13.16 | relic|int_80h | I care :( |
| 05:13.21 | sanxiyn | itp560: Nothing, apart from Apache. |
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| 05:13.29 | FourierSeries | Guerin: lol! indeed. |
| 05:13.37 | jon_ | wow...thats one reason i switched to linux. virus/spyware free, real good security. |
| 05:13.39 | itp560 | sanxiyn, thanks I will give it a go .. |
| 05:13.58 | Guerin | cgi is cgi |
| 05:14.00 | sanxiyn | itp560: By default, you can't run CGI scripts outside cgi-bin. |
| 05:14.14 | sanxiyn | itp560: Edit config file to enable CGI outside. |
| 05:14.44 | Guerin | it's only if you want to run plain python scripts that you need mod_python, aiui |
| 05:14.44 | FourierSeries | Less viruses, less spywhare, better security. Nothing is perfect. |
| 05:14.44 | sifi | why is ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/ require jigdo, is it faster then wget even if I'm without old ISO:s? |
| 05:15.17 | jon_ | yeah. in reallity, if most of us hear don't play games, whats the reason of buying a viruse filled user friendly OS when if you want a user friendly OS you can get a free version of Mandrivia |
| 05:15.29 | relic|int_80h | forcemaster, no... those carps are some kind of 'applications' in windows's world |
| 05:15.33 | sanxiyn | jon_: I do! |
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| 05:16.00 | jon_ | thats why i said most. :) |
| 05:16.03 | sanxiyn | I believe, more people will play online games if they had good net connectivity. |
| 05:16.07 | relic|int_80h | forcemaster, applications = a lot of money |
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| 05:16.18 | Guerin | more people would play online games if they weren't all utter shit |
| 05:16.28 | sanxiyn | Guerin: well |
| 05:16.43 | sanxiyn | I wouldn't say they are all utter shit. |
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| 05:17.20 | relic|int_80h | the most so-called online-games is obsolate tech |
| 05:17.31 | jon_ | PC games are a waste, thats why XBOX live was created :D |
| 05:17.33 | FourierSeries | ;-) |
| 05:17.44 | relic|int_80h | clone, clone then clone |
| 05:17.47 | jon_ | lol |
| 05:18.12 | relic|int_80h | especially, made in ????? |
| 05:18.20 | jon_ | JAPAN!! |
| 05:18.25 | relic|int_80h | ha ha |
| 05:18.32 | relic|int_80h | you know :) |
| 05:18.48 | jon_ | anyone go to osdir.com? |
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| 05:19.01 | relic|int_80h | japanese's games are not bad, indeed |
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| 05:19.27 | relic|int_80h | in facts, the no. 1 (watch the ps2/3?) |
| 05:19.39 | jon_ | at least 1/4 of the video game industry is made up of japanese programmers |
| 05:19.39 | golly | hey guys, how would I do this? Compare all files in folder A with all files in Folder B. Anything that isn't in A but is in B, put into a new Folder C...??? |
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| 05:20.11 | golly | I do know rsync handles folder A vs B well, but not a third folder |
| 05:21.04 | jon_ | wow, it's 12:20 |
| 05:21.22 | FourierSeries | bah! it's 00:20 |
| 05:21.27 | jon_ | xD |
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| 05:21.36 | jon_ | Thats what xfce says 0:21 |
| 05:21.55 | jon_ | meh, military time is so easy |
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| 05:22.49 | jon_ | lol..being a military brat has sure paid off |
| 05:23.09 | jon_ | Once I reinstall i'm gunna go with KDE, GNOME sucks! |
| 05:24.00 | SerajewelKS | !start a wm war |
| 05:24.00 | dpkg | blackbox bites! |
| 05:24.07 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 05:24.10 | FourierSeries | "FVWM!" |
| 05:24.16 | jon_ | dpkg: truly, all the boxes suck. |
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| 05:25.14 | jon_ | I've been using GNOME for about a month, today I installed XFCE and found my soulmate *grabs xfce's hand* |
| 05:25.16 | relic|int_80h | twm/Xaw +1 |
| 05:25.46 | relic|int_80h | 'less is more' |
| 05:26.00 | jon_ | in some cases, yeah |
| 05:26.00 | sanxiyn | relic|int_80h: Eh |
| 05:26.01 | FourierSeries | indeed. |
| 05:26.06 | relic|int_80h | heh heh |
| 05:26.30 | jon_ | isn't xfce kind of like a minimalistic version of KDE? |
| 05:27.07 | threat | hi |
| 05:27.11 | relic|int_80h | xfce will has it's own framework |
| 05:27.11 | jon_ | sup |
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| 05:27.48 | jon_ | RH? |
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| 05:27.58 | FourierSeries | RedHat. |
| 05:28.01 | jon_ | OH |
| 05:28.02 | FourierSeries | *_* |
| 05:28.16 | relic|int_80h | blah, the ev*l |
| 05:28.20 | jon_ | I'm stupid...do you have to pay for redhat? |
| 05:28.37 | relic|int_80h | sure |
| 05:28.53 | threat | oh RedHat |
| 05:29.00 | FourierSeries | Indeed. Now you do. There is a "Fedora" thingie; but, the hell with it. Here I is. |
| 05:29.07 | SerajewelKS | jon_: redhat has some commercial and some free distributions |
| 05:29.24 | relic|int_80h | they got the free stuff and edit it, and you have to pay for that |
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| 05:29.33 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: fedora is commercial now? |
| 05:29.45 | jon_ | Fedora sucks |
| 05:29.46 | threat | Fedora is free isn'it it? |
| 05:29.46 | Juanjo-ar | hi |
| 05:29.53 | jon_ | hi Juanjo-ar |
| 05:29.58 | Juanjo-ar | I have a lttle problem here |
| 05:30.04 | SerajewelKS | !start a distro war |
| 05:30.04 | dpkg | RHEL rocks! |
| 05:30.11 | relic|int_80h | fedora = rc version for something |
| 05:30.21 | Juanjo-ar | I have chage stable for testing in my source.list |
| 05:30.22 | jon_ | lol...never got used to RC |
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| 05:30.25 | SerajewelKS | and xfce looks pretty nice from the screenshots. kinda like kde+gnome+osx |
| 05:30.25 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: could be. I do not follow it closely enough any more. |
| 05:30.27 | Natman | FourierSeries: tell me about it... config files moving around, formats changing!!! Arg. |
| 05:30.37 | FourierSeries | Natman: *bingo* |
| 05:30.38 | Juanjo-ar | the I apt-get upgrade my system |
| 05:30.39 | dsleeper | I can't remember how to write a dvd in etch. It's an iso. |
| 05:30.49 | Juanjo-ar | now, I can't use mozilla-thunderbird |
| 05:30.53 | Juanjo-ar | can I go back to stable? |
| 05:30.56 | jon_ | SerajewelKS, i highly recommend XFCE. I just installed it today and I say, it ROCKS!!! |
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| 05:31.05 | FourierSeries | Natman: random changes that add compexity and , apparently, nothing else. |
| 05:31.06 | Piranha | Is it possible to install Debian to an NFS-exported filesystem with debian-installer? |
| 05:31.12 | SerajewelKS | jon_: it got lotsa eyecandy? =) |
| 05:31.18 | dscener | I can't remember how to burn a dvd .iso in etch. :( |
| 05:31.22 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: debootstrap |
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| 05:31.32 | dscener | I can't remember how to burn a dvd .iso in etch. :( |
| 05:31.37 | Natman | FourierSeries: not only that, but changes from "routine" updates... so when you least expect it, or don't have time to fix. |
| 05:31.38 | Piranha | Kill me. |
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| 05:31.48 | Piranha | The old installation system did this. |
| 05:31.53 | anonomouse | ok im getting no where fast with these wlanng drivers.. ive googled the hell out of it too.. can anyone offer me a minute to mabey help me with what im doing wrong |
| 05:31.55 | mrnull | I can't remember how to burn a dvd iso in etch. Help! |
| 05:32.03 | Piranha | Not even the NETBOOT d-i image has NFS support? |
| 05:32.08 | Piranha | I'm trying it. I'm not seeing it. |
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| 05:32.12 | jon_ | i dunno. i just installed it because I wanted a quicker, but nice looking system. It is about 65% faster than GNOME and it has the same right-click thing as FLUXBOX with the look of KDE(SORTA) |
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| 05:32.29 | relic|int_80h | jon_, try windos |
| 05:32.38 | mrnull | I thought it was something like: growisofs -Z /dev/cdrom=my.iso |
| 05:32.47 | jon_ | xD thats the reason why I switched to linux |
| 05:32.50 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: boot from something that *does* have NFS support |
| 05:32.51 | qnix_ | jon_, I concur with you :) I use xfce myself. |
| 05:33.06 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: partition the disk with that livecd, and export / with NFS |
| 05:33.12 | jon_ | qnix_, thanks. |
| 05:33.17 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: mount the NFS share on another debian box and run debootstrap |
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| 05:33.24 | relic|int_80h | jon_, it even doesn't make you to waste time to hack |
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| 05:33.36 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: or just use the netinstall, which would be a lot simpler |
| 05:33.40 | Penggu | hi all |
| 05:33.47 | Juanjo-ar | what's E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ?? |
| 05:33.49 | relic|int_80h | hi |
| 05:33.56 | Penggu | what was that command / script to change the runlevels a script runs in? |
| 05:33.56 | Juanjo-ar | when I try to use apt |
| 05:34.01 | jon_ | Does anybody know that one linux game where your Tux and you make him slide down a mountain or something? |
| 05:34.05 | SerajewelKS | Penggu: mv |
| 05:34.07 | Penggu | something like changerunlevel script 1234 |
| 05:34.23 | sanxiyn | Juanjo-ar: It means dpkg returned an error code. |
| 05:34.24 | Penggu | SerajewelKS: in that case ln would be more correct |
| 05:34.29 | SerajewelKS | jon_: ppracer or something |
| 05:34.40 | Piranha | SerajewelKS: Clarify on "netinstall." Is that separate from debian-installer? |
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| 05:34.43 | Juanjo-ar | sanxiyn: but.. how can I get off it? |
| 05:34.45 | sanxiyn | Juanjo-ar: Most likely, because of broken pre/post-installation script. |
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| 05:34.50 | SerajewelKS | Penggu: no, you said change run level, not attach to a run level |
| 05:34.51 | Penggu | wops |
| 05:34.56 | Piranha | Because I can't seem to make NFS work booting d-i from the first i386 CD or from netboot. |
| 05:35.02 | jon_ | SerajewelKS: Woo! ty dude |
| 05:35.06 | Penggu | SerajewelKS: sorry. change which runlevels a script runs in |
| 05:35.11 | sanxiyn | Juanjo-ar: First, try apt-get --fix-broken install |
| 05:35.19 | SerajewelKS | jon_: uhm, no problem, what did i help you with again? |
| 05:35.29 | jon_ | a linux game. |
| 05:35.30 | Juanjo-ar | ok |
| 05:35.31 | SerajewelKS | Penggu: right, you move it from one rc directory to another |
| 05:35.31 | sanxiyn | Juanjo-ar: If problem persists, solution depends. |
| 05:35.37 | Penggu | i know that much |
| 05:35.41 | SerajewelKS | jon_: oh, right |
| 05:35.44 | SerajewelKS | Penggu: so use mv |
| 05:35.51 | jon_ | :) |
| 05:35.52 | Penggu | but i had seen a program/script somewhere taht simplifies the tasks |
| 05:36.04 | Penggu | and im asking about that one |
| 05:36.06 | Penggu | if anyone knows |
| 05:36.08 | SerajewelKS | Penggu: mv is as simple as it gets. far easier than any script, imo. |
| 05:36.08 | Penggu | if not |
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| 05:36.12 | Penggu | then, thank you very much |
| 05:36.23 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: the sarge netinstall cd |
| 05:36.27 | jon_ | tech support at it's finest :D |
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| 05:36.36 | Juanjo-ar | mmmmm, problem persist |
| 05:36.37 | SerajewelKS | jon_: indeed =) |
| 05:37.02 | Piranha | SerajewelKS: And it will support installation to an NFS filesystem, unlike the full-blown first i386 CD, and unlike the netboot d-i image? |
| 05:37.21 | Flimzy | Using the 'nv' driver, I am able to output to my HDTV at 1368x768... in an attempt to get true 1366x768 (the physical dimensions of the LCD), I switched to the 'nvidia' driver... but it complains "1368 is larger than EDID-specified maximum 1280"... What's up with that? |
| 05:37.27 | Penggu | found some egs on 'net mentioning chkconfig |
| 05:37.33 | Penggu | looks like it aint on debian.. |
| 05:37.38 | Piranha | I would really, really expect netboot to support it if any d-i installation path--not involving a custom kernel--would support it. |
| 05:38.18 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: i really have NO IDEA what you're trying to do, or why it's so difficult |
| 05:38.49 | Penggu | hmm. |
| 05:38.49 | SerajewelKS | Penggu: because debian uses mv |
| 05:38.55 | Piranha | I'm trying to install Debian on a system with no disk. To an NFS filesystem. The old installation system for Woody ("Boot Floppies"?) supported this, and supported this fantastically. |
| 05:39.10 | Piranha | d-i kernels don't seem to have NFS support either built-in, or available through a modules udeb. |
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| 05:39.14 | Penggu | update-rc.d |
| 05:39.30 | Piranha | I'm saddened that debootstrap seems to actually be the most straightforward way to go. |
| 05:40.04 | Penggu | thanks for the help |
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| 05:40.08 | jon_ | on xfce, wheres the trashcan? |
| 05:40.13 | Penggu | just needed to google a bit harder... |
| 05:40.16 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: wait, so let me get this straight |
| 05:40.18 | jon_ | :\ yup, me dumb |
| 05:40.21 | dondelelcaro | Piranha: the modules for client nfs should be there; I know they existed in woody. |
| 05:40.32 | FourierSeries | Piranha: don't feel bad. I seem to recall someone recently asking how to do an install over a serial cable connection. |
| 05:40.41 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: you have one computer with a CD-ROM drive and no HD, and another with an HD but no CD-ROM, and you want to get debian on the one with an HD? |
| 05:40.44 | Penggu | i hade dealing with political correctness cant be stuffed people. if u dont wanna answer my q's dont. |
| 05:40.48 | Penggu | pure arrogance |
| 05:40.49 | dondelelcaro | !rube goldberg install |
| 05:40.49 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 05:40.59 | Penggu | bye |
| 05:41.04 | Piranha | dondelelcaro: Should. I'll be damned if I can find them. I select "expert" installation, and the components I'm prompted to include don't mention NFS. "nfs" isn't listed in /proc/filesystems. "modprobe nfs" fails. |
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| 05:41.44 | Piranha | SerajewelKS: No. The one with the disk has Debian. It's my fileserver. |
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| 05:42.03 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: so what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 05:42.09 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: install debian on a system with no disk? |
| 05:42.10 | Piranha | I want a working Debian installation on /export/oomingmak on that fileserver. That will be the root filesystem--over NFS--the diskless machine will be running from. |
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| 05:42.16 | jon_ | how could someone log onto IRC if they have no network card? |
| 05:42.24 | Piranha | With Woody, it was a simple matter of mounting that NFS filesystem at install time and installing away. |
| 05:42.28 | Piranha | Not so with d-i, apparently. |
| 05:42.32 | FourierSeries | jon_: ppp |
| 05:42.34 | Piranha | SerajewelKS: Yes. |
| 05:42.37 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: so use 'debootstrap sarge /export/oomingmak' |
| 05:42.51 | Piranha | That's what I'm looking into now. Thanks for suggesting it, BTW. |
| 05:42.54 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: or swap the arguments.. i forget how it goes exactly, but it's something like that. |
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| 05:43.02 | Piranha | Yes. I peruse the manual. |
| 05:43.08 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: np, it's a very nice command actually |
| 05:43.23 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: i've used it to set up a sarge server in chroot |
| 05:44.04 | SerajewelKS | Piranha: so what you really want to do is install debian in a certain folder, and export that folder to clients over NFS so they can boot using it? |
| 05:44.12 | dondelelcaro | Piranha: presuming you can actually mount the nfs system on /target, that's all you need to do anyway. |
| 05:44.27 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Apparently one can't. |
| 05:44.34 | Piranha | dondelelcaro: Yes. |
| 05:44.39 | FourierSeries | I think the lesson here is to find oneself a good ne2k card that is unaversally supported & use that for the various installs one des |
| 05:44.41 | FourierSeries | does. |
| 05:44.46 | dondelelcaro | Piranha: but if you're going to install for nfs, there's no reason to use d-i; debootstrap is probably much simpler. |
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| 05:44.54 | Juanjo-ar | hi |
| 05:44.54 | Juanjo-ar | agaim me |
| 05:45.03 | sanxiyn | Piranha: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/03/msg00148.html seems to be relevant. |
| 05:45.05 | Juanjo-ar | I try the --fix-broken install params for apt-get |
| 05:45.08 | Juanjo-ar | but nothing |
| 05:45.11 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 05:45.11 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 05:45.14 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: ^^^ |
| 05:45.18 | Juanjo-ar | the problem is still there |
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| 05:45.21 | Piranha | dondelelcaro: d-i is what I'm accustomed to. But debootstrap would probably be faster. |
| 05:45.57 | dondelelcaro | Piranha: d-i is really meant for cases where you need to install debian on a single machine, not setting up a nfs root to be used by many machines. |
| 05:46.06 | dondelelcaro | Piranha: in the latter case, debootstrap is far quicker. |
| 05:46.06 | Juanjo-ar | ok here go |
| 05:46.12 | Piranha | Well, this is indeed for only one machine. |
| 05:46.27 | sanxiyn | debootstrap sarge /target |
| 05:46.29 | sanxiyn | done |
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| 05:46.55 | Juanjo-ar | here is the oput put |
| 05:47.02 | Juanjo-ar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1335 |
| 05:47.05 | FourierSeries | O_O |
| 05:47.06 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: speaking of nfs fun, do you know of a good tutorial on setting up a network boot server that will remote a debian system to any conputer over nfs? |
| 05:47.28 | Juanjo-ar | the apt output is in the link |
| 05:47.38 | FourierSeries | eeek! |
| 05:47.46 | Juanjo-ar | I hope anyone can hlep me |
| 05:47.48 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: no... I've just done it myself... generally amounts to dhcpd+tftpd+nfs+(c|)debootstrap... |
| 05:48.00 | Juanjo-ar | he ForierSeries, I have made a little fouerier program |
| 05:48.05 | Juanjo-ar | wanna see it? |
| 05:48.16 | dondelelcaro | !find update-mozilla-thunderbird-chrome: |
| 05:48.18 | dondelelcaro | !find update-mozilla-thunderbird-chrome |
| 05:48.27 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: It's in mozilla-thunderbird. |
| 05:48.27 | Juanjo-ar | yes.. |
| 05:48.31 | Juanjo-ar | whats that? |
| 05:48.32 | klys | * this just in: looking at Changelog-2.6.10, the kernel has DVD+RW support, but what about DVD-RW support as in Osterlund's dvd-rw-packet patch for 2.6.7 ? |
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| 05:48.33 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: how does cdebootstrap differ from the non-c variety |
| 05:48.44 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: It's written in C :-) |
| 05:48.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-mozilla-thunderbird-chrome' (1): (/usr/sbin/update-mozilla-thunderbird-chrome) in mail/mozilla-thunderbird. |
| 05:48.53 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: seriously? |
| 05:48.53 | FourierSeries | Juanjo-ar: sorry, I'm about useless here. |
| 05:48.59 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: Seriously. |
| 05:49.02 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: what is debootstrap written in? |
| 05:49.08 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: Shell. |
| 05:49.11 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: there are a couple of changes; I've gotten sold on cdebootstrap because of the -f minimal; but either works. |
| 05:49.24 | Juanjo-ar | how can I fix it? |
| 05:49.29 | SerajewelKS | ah, okay |
| 05:49.36 | SerajewelKS | oh, and xfce doesn't work for me, woot |
| 05:49.38 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: reinstall mozilla-thunderbird. |
| 05:49.47 | SerajewelKS | it changes the cursor and then hangs. no errors. |
| 05:49.58 | Juanjo-ar | dondelelcaro: I tried remove and install, is this the way? |
| 05:50.08 | Juanjo-ar | or there is something like 'reinstal'? |
| 05:50.14 | Piranha | sanxiyn: That thread is good reading. I couldn't find any relavent mention of NFS in the context of d-i Googling. |
| 05:50.24 | jon_ | very noobish question, but in XFCE where is the trash? |
| 05:50.52 | SerajewelKS | oh, got it.. you can't run xfce using xinit from inside KDE |
| 05:50.52 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: no, just apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-thunderbird |
| 05:50.54 | sanxiyn | Piranha: From that thread, I think there's no NFS root support in d-i. |
| 05:51.05 | Piranha | Yes. |
| 05:51.21 | sanxiyn | Piranha: By the way, that thread is Google #2 of "sarge install nfs"... |
| 05:51.30 | Juanjo-ar | dondelelcaroaro: the problem continuos |
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| 05:52.10 | Piranha | sanxiyn: I was trying "debian-installer nfs", among others. |
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| 05:52.40 | Piranha | I need to be in the habit of varying my queries. |
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| 05:52.43 | Peacimowen | Problem trying to install k3b on testing.. apt won't find it. |
| 05:52.49 | Peacimowen | help? |
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| 05:53.11 | lunitik | FourierSeries: ~/.Trash |
| 05:53.11 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: after you've reinstalled mozilla-thunderbird? |
| 05:53.23 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: does /usr/sbin/update-mozilla-thunderbird-chrome |
| 05:53.27 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: actually exist/ |
| 05:53.30 | wireddd | Peacimowen, thats because k3b isn't currently in testing |
| 05:53.33 | Juanjo-ar | dondelelcaro: after I exec the comand |
| 05:53.48 | Peacimowen | wireddd: Well, that would explain the problem, I suppose. |
| 05:53.57 | Peacimowen | So what's a decent alternative? |
| 05:54.01 | jg12345 | I managed to screw up my MBR (I only have winblows as an option) what is the command I use to make a Sarge install disk act as my boot disk? I've tried Linux root=/dev/hdc3 (Where hdc3 is my root partition,) But the kernel panics when it tries to mount it |
| 05:54.12 | Juanjo-ar | yes |
| 05:54.13 | Juanjo-ar | exists |
| 05:54.59 | wireddd | Peacimowen, well you could try to install the k3b package from stable and if that doesn't work then you could try the one from unstable |
| 05:54.59 | sanxiyn | jg12345: Unfortunately, Sarge d-i shipped without rescue mode. |
| 05:55.14 | sanxiyn | jg12345: With Etch d-i beta 1, you can type "rescue" at the prompt. |
| 05:55.55 | wireddd | heh |
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| 05:55.58 | FourierSeries | Frag me sideways ... |
| 05:56.02 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: then you should be getting a totally different error, assuming /usr/sbin isn't noexec. |
| 05:56.23 | FourierSeries | right. |
| 05:56.28 | Piranha | Well. |
| 05:56.37 | FourierSeries | /home/FouriesSeries/.Trash |
| 05:56.39 | Piranha | At least trying netboot prompted me to fix PXE on my NIC. |
| 05:56.48 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: also, when you give us errors, please run with LANG=C |
| 05:56.49 | Piranha | Got some grief and frustration out of the way. |
| 05:57.23 | FourierSeries | so. come again? who was looking for a "Trash" directory? |
| 05:57.31 | Juanjo-ar | dondelelcaro: what's lang=c? |
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| 05:57.50 | kingsley | jg12345: Perhaps your BIOS can be told to boot from the third hard drive, or, maybe you could move the third hard drive to the first connector on the motherboard. |
| 05:57.55 | lunitik | Juanjo-ar: its overides default locale... |
| 05:58.03 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-ar: an environmental variable. LANG=C apt-get upgrade; FE; it makes the errors show up in english instead of whatever locale you're using. |
| 05:58.13 | jg12345 | It's a laptop |
| 05:58.18 | FourierSeries | Juanjo-ar: "c" as opposed to "c++"? or perl or eiffel or ... |
| 05:58.25 | lunitik | FourierSeries: no |
| 05:58.25 | jg12345 | How it got c instead of a I'm not sure |
| 05:58.44 | FourierSeries | Juanjo-ar: disregard me... |
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| 06:00.14 | Azar | I have set the wrong time on my system how do I change it? |
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| 06:00.32 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 06:00.32 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 06:00.49 | FourierSeries | right |
| 06:01.09 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro, isn't though the ntp a security risk? |
| 06:01.36 | valdyn | Azar: like any program you run is one |
| 06:01.55 | Azar | :) right valdyn, right |
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| 06:02.36 | FourierSeries | there is a "one shot" ntp command line program to set the time ... don't remember the exact details .. |
| 06:02.52 | FourierSeries | it's good for a startup script. |
| 06:02.54 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.56 | jon_ | wow...1:02... |
| 06:03.22 | jon_ | i've been messing around with xfce all this time i forgot to reinstall debian |
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| 06:03.42 | FourierSeries | ah |
| 06:03.46 | FourierSeries | "ntpdate" |
| 06:03.50 | valdyn | Azar: you may want to restrict network(s) its listening to, but if someone cracked the ntp server you use as reference then all is lost ) |
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| 06:04.04 | jon_ | tierd...i'll most likely just reinstall it tomarrow...i <3 joo xfce. |
| 06:04.10 | phyberoptix | static electricity sux i touched my kb and it cut off my computer |
| 06:04.14 | Guerin | valdyn: which is a good reason to use pool.net.org, since it's a round robin |
| 06:04.36 | Guerin | and unless they crack multiple machines in the round-robin, you're only playing russian roulette |
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| 06:05.32 | jon_ | anyone like stonesour? |
| 06:05.33 | Azar | so the best setting would be done by hand? |
| 06:05.58 | Guerin | Azar: the best setting would be to have a computer with a reliable clock |
| 06:06.03 | SerajewelKS | Azar: the default ntp.conf is fine |
| 06:06.06 | jg12345 | what |
| 06:06.08 | Guerin | unfortunately, these are hard to come by |
| 06:06.27 | Guerin | Azar: of all the things you could be worried about, ntp is pretty benign |
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| 06:06.58 | Azar | allright, Guerin I think the default settings from installation relies on ntp anyways |
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| 06:07.39 | Piranha | Arg. |
| 06:07.52 | Piranha | I should have expected debootstrap would use a generic mirror. |
| 06:08.01 | Azar | hmm I guess I do not have ntp servers |
| 06:08.12 | Azar | proshield I guess kills the connection |
| 06:09.01 | jg12345 | I was working on setting up the ntp client before I screwed up my MBR |
| 06:09.41 | jg12345 | (No the two wern't connected) |
| 06:10.17 | FourierSeries | the last real time sync problem that I have had to pay real attention to was the 1999-2000 switchover ... |
| 06:10.27 | Guerin | Azar: proshield? |
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| 06:10.35 | Guerin | they call it a 'condom' where I come from |
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| 06:10.47 | Guerin | eh |
| 06:10.58 | Guerin | there is exactly 0 work to setting up an ntp client |
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| 06:11.52 | jg12345 | it was more installed then I installed a kernel, tried to change my bootloader and volia, Windows..... |
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| 06:12.01 | FourierSeries | "ntpdate {server name}" |
| 06:12.19 | Alexander_ | |
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| 06:12.26 | jg12345 | I installed it becasue my superblocks kept getting written in the future.... |
| 06:12.35 | Alexander_ | vpn |
| 06:12.44 | Azar | date --set Tue Dec 20 10:14:00 PST 2005 is not working, says too many options? |
| 06:12.47 | jon_ | well i'll be on later if any of you guys will be on. i'm gunna go take a nap. |
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| 06:13.01 | FourierSeries | jon_: laters! |
| 06:13.06 | jon_ | later |
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| 06:13.10 | jg12345 | Later Jon_ |
| 06:13.26 | Guerin | Alexander_: your keyboard appears to be broken. Would you like to: |
| 06:13.39 | Guerin | Alexander_: * stop bashing on it like a retarded monkey |
| 06:13.46 | Alexander_ | no, don't broken |
| 06:13.51 | Alexander_ | i'm russian |
| 06:13.52 | Guerin | Alexander_: * go out and buy a new one from the microsoft store |
| 06:14.06 | Azar | how could I set the time with date --set option guys? it is not working for me |
| 06:14.12 | SerajewelKS | !ru |
| 06:14.12 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 06:14.17 | Guerin | Azar: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 06:14.26 | Azar | thanks Guerin |
| 06:14.40 | Guerin | Azar: you seem to speak decent english, though. This is an english channel, fyi. |
| 06:15.00 | Azar | ok I tried what dpkg suggests, and it is not working |
| 06:15.02 | SerajewelKS | Alexander_: #debian-russian |
| 06:15.14 | Alexander_ | ok |
| 06:15.26 | Azar | it says to use date --set, I used it and it is not working |
| 06:15.37 | SerajewelKS | !not working |
| 06:15.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 06:16.13 | Lewoco | I'm using lftp. 'put' works ok, but 'ls' and 'dir' don't return a directory listing. What gives? |
| 06:16.13 | FourierSeries | Azar: what do you put after the --set switch |
| 06:16.16 | FourierSeries | ? |
| 06:16.23 | bloom | I'm getting an internal g++ error when trying to recompile kdepim. What do I need to include in a bug report against g++? |
| 06:16.24 | g3brown | benjamindees: you around? |
| 06:16.35 | SerajewelKS | Lewoco: try passive mode? still put shouldn't work if that's the problem... |
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| 06:16.55 | Lewoco | SerajewelKS: I'm already using passive. |
| 06:16.58 | Guerin | bloom: #c++ |
| 06:16.59 | Azar | FourierSeries: date --set Tue Dec 20 10:14:00 PST 2005 |
| 06:17.13 | SerajewelKS | Lewoco: hrm weird... |
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| 06:19.11 | FourierSeries | I am now confused ... |
| 06:20.21 | Azar | FourierSeries, I am looking at date --help and there are a lot of % characters there I have no idea which one to use |
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| 06:20.28 | Azar | and how to list them at command line |
| 06:20.33 | FourierSeries | could you not just use " ntpdate {server name}" ? |
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| 06:21.22 | Azar | ntp does not work I have a security system that blocks it from connecting |
| 06:21.29 | FourierSeries | Ah. |
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| 06:22.07 | Guerin | Azar: is this is fucking proshield thing you're on about? |
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| 06:22.20 | Azar | Guerin, yes |
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| 06:22.37 | Guerin | Azar: suggest you disable or remove it before asking for help in here |
| 06:22.39 | Azar | was written for Debian so I trust it |
| 06:22.46 | Guerin | !info proshield |
| 06:22.51 | Azar | Guerin.... |
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| 06:23.15 | Azar | my system is totally open to the entire net, and there is no security setup whatsoever |
| 06:23.27 | Guerin | Azar: no, really. If it has automatic network-fucker-upper properties, it's trouble |
| 06:23.29 | Azar | I understand this is a good thing on one side |
| 06:23.39 | Guerin | 15:23:03 <dpkg> Package 'proshield' does not exist. |
| 06:23.44 | Guerin | Azar: it's not in debian. |
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| 06:23.57 | Guerin | Azar: there's nothing wrong with not running a firewall on your machine, you know. |
| 06:24.02 | Guerin | in fact |
| 06:24.03 | Azar | strange, it got downloaded as a deb package? |
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| 06:24.19 | Guerin | Azar: there are plenty of deb packages which aren't in debian |
| 06:24.29 | Guerin | all of ubuntu and linspire and knoppix and xandros, for instance |
| 06:24.41 | benjamindees | g3brown, yep |
| 06:24.51 | Azar | hmm ok so date --set does not seem to have a use, right? |
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| 06:25.20 | benjamindees | g3brown, any luck? |
| 06:25.30 | Guerin | Azar: the thing about a firewall is that it can't really protect the machine it's running on, unless the admin of that machine has no idea what he's running |
| 06:25.59 | FourierSeries | gnight all! |
| 06:26.09 | Guerin | Azar: a machine with no unnecessary services running and no firewall is exactly as safe as a machine with no unnecessary services running AND a firewall |
| 06:26.53 | Azar | Guerin do you know a firewall running on a nonX ? |
| 06:27.05 | g3brown | benjamindees: no, but I'm pretty sure the problem all stems from step 8 |
| 06:27.07 | SerajewelKS | dammit i hate the glue they use when packaging crackers |
| 06:27.10 | Guerin | Azar: wtf is a nonX? |
| 06:27.15 | Guerin | Azar: is it like a n0rx? |
| 06:27.17 | Azar | but anyways, you suggest date --set is not working? for me is not.. |
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| 06:27.27 | Guerin | Azar: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 06:27.31 | Piranha | ... |
| 06:27.50 | Piranha | Has anyone read Azar's output? |
| 06:27.58 | Piranha | [22:12:45] < Azar> date --set Tue Dec 20 10:14:00 PST 2005 is not working, says too many options? |
| 06:28.02 | Azar | <dpkg> To set the time in debian, use date --set. |
| 06:28.11 | Azar | Piranha, yes |
| 06:28.15 | Piranha | Azar: The problem is that the date command is interpreting that as too many arguments. |
| 06:28.24 | g3brown | benjamindees: I got 2.6.8-2-686 and copied it to .config. When I get to insmod I get this error: mv_sata: version magic '2.6.0-test7 preempt 686 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8-2-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3' |
| 06:28.24 | Guerin | huh |
| 06:28.26 | benjamindees | g3brown, I think the problem is 386 versus 686 |
| 06:28.30 | pearl | good morning |
| 06:28.30 | Piranha | You need to enclose the entire date/time string in quotation marks to pass it as a single argument. |
| 06:28.31 | Guerin | he used to have more info than that |
| 06:28.37 | Guerin | !set the time |
| 06:28.38 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 06:28.38 | pearl | good morning |
| 06:28.52 | Guerin | !set the time is also man hwclock |
| 06:28.53 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 06:28.56 | Azar | Piranha, I see I should use the -s then enclose all in brackets? |
| 06:29.03 | g3brown | benjamindees: yeah. it only builds correctly for 386. if you build for anything else you get error when you try to load the module. |
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| 06:29.10 | Piranha | No, quotation marks. Single or double. ' or ". |
| 06:29.26 | Azar | oh I see, Piranha, thank you for the hints, thank you Guerin too, was a nice convo |
| 06:29.38 | Piranha | Then, date won't see those marks, but it will see the time as an entire argument, not many smaller arguments. |
| 06:29.49 | g3brown | benjamindees: I spoke with marvell today and I think they are going to email me a compatiable driver. I have to get approval from someone first though. |
| 06:29.52 | benjamindees | g3brown, the installer is 386 only, but if it's available, it will install a 686 kernel |
| 06:30.18 | SimonRaven | g'night you #debianers |
| 06:30.26 | jm_ | night |
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| 06:31.27 | Azar | great lesson, thank you Piranha |
| 06:31.34 | Guerin | SimonRaven: i think the term is 'hashdweebians' |
| 06:31.37 | pearl | how to make a screenshot from the lilo bootscreen? |
| 06:31.44 | Guerin | pearl: get a camera |
| 06:31.46 | g3brown | benjamindees: there is nothing else to really try regarding building it for 686 is there? |
| 06:31.48 | pearl | oh, i see |
| 06:32.02 | Piranha | pearl: Boot LILO from VMware. |
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| 06:32.07 | Piranha | Then ImageMagick import. |
| 06:32.17 | pearl | morniong _rene_ :D |
| 06:32.40 | Azar | in any case, I never lost the hope Guerin, when someone confronts me makes me want to learn even harder :) |
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| 06:32.52 | Piranha | Truly a model to us all. |
| 06:33.00 | Guerin | Truly. |
| 06:33.33 | benjamindees | g3brown, you would have to build two versions, one for the installer and one for the installed kernel |
| 06:33.56 | tictac | anyone having any problems with cdrecord? |
| 06:33.59 | Guerin | notice you're not not using your braindead security-blanket not-in-debian does-shit-automatically-without-advising-and-probably-as-root firewall though |
| 06:33.59 | g3brown | benjamindees: I wonder if that would work |
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| 06:34.15 | Guerin | tictac: everyone except joerg schilling |
| 06:34.15 | pearl | i have a piece of chocolate in my coffee *sip* :) |
| 06:34.22 | Piranha | tictac: You, perhaps? |
| 06:34.26 | tictac | heh |
| 06:34.33 | Piranha | Just a thought. |
| 06:34.41 | g3brown | benjamindees: load one to get going and then copy the other one to the scsi directory at the end? |
| 06:34.50 | benjamindees | g3brown, it would be easier just to make sure the 386 kernel is installed and use it instead of 686 |
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| 06:35.01 | benjamindees | g3brown, basically |
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| 06:37.01 | jg12345 | How do you switch from Grub to Lilo? |
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| 06:39.52 | Guerin | jg12345: aptitude install grub; grub-install /dev/hda; update-grub |
| 06:40.25 | jg12345 | Other way, I want to go from using grub to using lilo |
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| 06:42.20 | Peacimowen | Thinking of switching to unstable. Anything in particular I should be careful about? |
| 06:43.00 | jg12345 | Peacimowen: Not that I've noticed, I accidently switched... |
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| 06:43.19 | Peacimowen | ok. *Switches* |
| 06:43.23 | Guerin | pearl: don't |
| 06:43.27 | Guerin | Peacimowen: dont |
| 06:43.49 | Peacimowen | bah, too late. |
| 06:44.02 | Peacimowen | It's already started. |
| 06:44.31 | Guerin | !bless Peacimowen |
| 06:44.31 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Peacimowen, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 06:44.45 | Peacimowen | i can always remove it and reinstall later. |
| 06:45.07 | Guerin | Peacimowen: 'It's ok. I got two feet.' |
| 06:45.19 | Peacimowen | I have /home in its own partition for a reason. |
| 06:45.24 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:45.47 | Guerin | basically, the only dealie is that if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 06:45.53 | Guerin | like going to afghanistan |
| 06:46.06 | Guerin | if you have to ask whether it's safe, then it's not safe enough for you |
| 06:46.15 | jg12345 | LOL |
| 06:46.48 | Guerin | hell ... |
| 06:46.54 | nimak | firefox really craps up your ram |
| 06:46.58 | Guerin | I'm even going to run unstable WHILE in afghanistan! |
| 06:46.59 | valdyn | +++++++++++++ |
| 06:47.10 | Peacimowen | Well, if I suddently disapear soon, you'll know why. |
| 06:47.14 | Peacimowen | suddenly* |
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| 06:48.12 | Peacimowen | well, this should take a while. |
| 06:48.46 | Peacimowen | Well, I suppose I could still cancel this.. It's still only getting files. |
| 06:49.48 | caphuso | Guerin: unstable in afghanistan? purge gnupg, you don't want to get shot by a bunch of US marines because you're importing WMDs |
| 06:49.52 | Guerin | caphuso: haha |
| 06:49.56 | smains | Peacimowen, unstable works fine for me |
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| 06:50.08 | Peacimowen | Where'd be the fun in that, though? |
| 06:50.10 | smains | Peacimowen, and I am no linux guru |
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| 06:50.30 | Guerin | caphuso: i'll bribe them with Twix and Cheetos smuggled from india |
| 06:50.31 | Peacimowen | an upgrade takes a while >.> |
| 06:50.37 | smains | in ANY way |
| 06:50.49 | Guerin | the main thing about unstable is that you're always the first to experience breakage |
| 06:51.06 | Peacimowen | Well, if I break, I break. |
| 06:51.06 | Guerin | if something goes wrong, you get no warning, and no sympathy |
| 06:51.18 | jg12345 | Peacimowen I think it took 20 or so minutes to download it all on my cable connection at home. |
| 06:51.31 | Peacimowen | I'll just boot up knoppix if I must. |
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| 06:51.38 | Guerin | Peacimowen: learn to read doc and use the packaging tools, and you might get away with running sid |
| 06:51.51 | Guerin | Peacimowen: also, not using kde or gnome helps a great deal |
| 06:51.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:51.54 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:52.03 | Peacimowen | Guerin: Never do, always run iceWM |
| 06:52.19 | Peacimowen | Can't stand those ugly big ones. |
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| 06:53.01 | Azar | how about ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York localtime? |
| 06:53.04 | g3brown | benjamindees: I can (thinking I have to) keep the same name for both the 386 version and the 686 version. Just load 386 and copy 686? |
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| 06:53.39 | benjamindees | g3brown, yep |
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| 06:54.10 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 06:54.13 | Peacimowen | hi |
| 06:54.18 | Azar | you think that would have been working ok Guerin? |
| 06:54.57 | Guerin | Azar: no idea |
| 06:55.12 | jg12345 | Is the proc fs a fs that gets regenerated at boot? |
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| 06:55.52 | Guerin | jg12345: yes |
| 06:56.13 | Peacimowen | whee.. 250 packages and counting.. |
| 06:56.21 | Guerin | jg12345: it's just a go-between you <-> kernel |
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| 06:56.48 | jg12345 | that's what I thought, I have bad hard links in that fs for some reason... |
| 06:58.15 | Peacimowen | and now installing.. |
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| 07:00.30 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:00.36 | elPepo | How do I know how much bandwith is using some IP addresses of my LAN when connect to Internet through my gateway ? |
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| 07:02.07 | ssm | elPepo: What kind of gateway do you have? |
| 07:02.34 | mehul | I've got a new disk I want to add to my debian system, and I screwed up I think. I used parted to partition it, but then did a mkfs -t ext3 on /dev/hdd, instead of /dev/hdd3 |
| 07:02.47 | elPepo | a linux box (sarge debian) in this machine a have NAT and my firewall |
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| 07:03.15 | dimir | mehul: repartition it? |
| 07:03.18 | lish | hello,all. I enlarge a .pdf file 4 times and want to have a snap shot of the image in the .pdf,but the enlarged image is as large as 3 screens! i cannt find proper argument when i use "import" and "scrot" |
| 07:03.36 | mehul | now when I use parted, all I get is a single partition and no matter what I do, it just keeps coming back with this one partition .. |
| 07:03.47 | dimir | enlarge your p****! |
| 07:03.50 | ssm | elPepo: Munin, (packages munin and munin-node) will graph it for you |
| 07:03.59 | lish | For wanting to see the electronic unit clearly, i enlarge it |
| 07:04.06 | ssm | elPepo: ....needs some httpd installed, though |
| 07:04.33 | g3brown | benjamindees: I've done all that and I'm at the last step ready to reboot. I still get error on mkinitrd. dmesg shows bunch of stuff about another partition (sda2) and I'm working on (sda1). Is that anything to be concerned about? |
| 07:04.35 | lish | dimir: how large a screen! ... |
| 07:04.37 | elPepo | Munin can graph statistics for each IP ? |
| 07:05.29 | ssm | elPepo: yes, with the plugin "ip_". You symlink /usr/share/munin/plugins/ip_ to /etc/munin/plugins/ip_192.0.2.3, for instance |
| 07:05.46 | glasse | lish: If I wanted to get a picture from inside a PDF, I think I would use ImageMagick's "convert" to change the PDF to a more workable format, then use gimp to edit it and copy the relevant bits out.. |
| 07:05.48 | elPepo | i'll see now |
| 07:05.54 | ssm | elPepo: ...and then you need one iptables-rule to count. You'll find it documented in the plugin script file. |
| 07:07.05 | lish | glasse: oh, i ll have a test of "convert" before,i use "convert" to convert .jpg to .png ,etc.... |
| 07:07.31 | glasse | lish: "man ImageMagick" says that it can handle PDFs too. I think it splits each page into a different file. |
| 07:08.12 | lish | glasse: that sounds cool , i master your meaning |
| 07:08.26 | lish | glasse: thanks, :) |
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| 07:09.10 | glasse | lish: Hope this helps. Good luck! |
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| 07:09.32 | elPepo | plz, ssm with munin I can see the service/port that some IP is using ? |
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| 07:09.56 | Daffy-PKF | can someone help? i don't find how to configure my tv card. `lspci` gives: "0000:01:07.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7133 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev f0)". I did searchs on google, but no help |
| 07:10.29 | foolhardy | hello, im using setserial to setup pci serial card, is there a 'setlpd' or similiar to setup the pci parallel lpt port ? |
| 07:10.40 | MoDaXaS | Daffy-PKF: you need to modprobe saa7134 |
| 07:11.11 | ssm | elPepo: for that you'll need to spend a short while writing a new plugin, I think. You'll need to log traffic stats, and output some data from, say, the ten most used ports. |
| 07:11.17 | lish | glasse: For the .pdf is only one page,so it is easier~ i run that,and comes out a image i wanted ,though the image is not big enough. All left is to enlarge it! |
| 07:11.21 | Coke | Where is freenode admins channel? |
| 07:11.24 | ssm | elPepo: but if you can provide numbers, munin can graph it |
| 07:11.33 | glasse | lish: gimp can do that, and convert probably can too. |
| 07:12.03 | EdibleText | Coke, try #freenode |
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| 07:12.16 | Daffy-PKF | MoDaXaS> yes, i know that, with options card=xx and tuner=yy. But i can't find wich card number and wich tuner number my card is. I'have done a shell script to test every possibility, but it takes time... if someone knows the right options, it would be faster ^^ |
| 07:12.35 | lish | glasse: but... I enlarge the generated using the gqview,find the image is not as clearly as that when it is in the pdf file |
| 07:13.10 | levander | Has anybody mucked around with their computer and tried to get application load times faster? Like when you start firefox, I want that to be faster. It currently takes about 15 seconds the first time to start it. To restart it after it's just been closed takes about five seconds. |
| 07:13.22 | MoDaX | Daffy-PKF: what does dmesg say when you modprobe? |
| 07:13.22 | zorzella | anyone, I upgraded to etch, and my emacs now only shows boxes in place of letters. Any idea? |
| 07:13.28 | glasse | lish: Yeah, I was afraid of that. You might try enlarging it when you convert it using the -scale option. |
| 07:13.54 | lish | glasse: ok |
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| 07:14.25 | foolhardy | or is there another way to setup a parallel pci card that doesnt seem to auto detect |
| 07:14.50 | Daffy-PKF | MoDaX> i paste it on #flood |
| 07:15.37 | MoDaX | Daffy-PKF: sorry, I wasn't in that channel. paste again |
| 07:15.40 | Coke | I think the nickserv is broken. |
| 07:15.44 | glasse | lish: Sorry, also try -resize. I always get them confused. |
| 07:15.56 | levander | Would a faster hard drive significantly cut down the time it takes to start firefox? |
| 07:16.04 | Daffy-PKF | MoDaX> did it just after you joined |
| 07:16.11 | MoDaX | ok |
| 07:16.19 | lish | glasse: i try it |
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| 07:17.12 | eeyore- | levander: no, but preloading it will |
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| 07:17.23 | levander | eeyore-: preloading? |
| 07:17.34 | eeyore- | levander: save a session :-) |
| 07:17.54 | levander | eeyore-: save a session in gnome, or in firefox? i've never saved a session before |
| 07:18.11 | eeyore- | levander: save a session in gnome, but then everything else slows down ... |
| 07:18.23 | eeyore- | levander: but at least when you have interactivity, there's your firefox |
| 07:18.56 | levander | eeyore-: what is it doing for 15 seconds while firefox is loading if it's not reading the application binary off hard disk? |
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| 07:19.06 | eeyore- | why not use a lightweight browser like epiphany, then |
| 07:19.10 | lish | glasse: i run "convert mp3.pdf -resize 300% new.png" and gqview new.png. it's really big,but not clearly enough as the effect of "convert mp3.pdf test.png;gqview test.png" |
| 07:19.14 | levander | eeyore-: i will try saving a session in gnome to see how that works |
| 07:19.30 | levander | eeyore-: i'll definitely look into ephiphany also |
| 07:19.37 | g3brown | benjamindees: works now :) I see you added mount /proc too. |
| 07:19.41 | eeyore- | levander: let me time mine. p4 laptop, 1.8GHz 1GB memory, no firefox started yet |
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| 07:20.03 | levander | eeyore-: but, can you tell me what the system is doing for fifteen seconds while firefox is loading, if it's not reading the application off hard disk |
| 07:20.10 | eeyore- | levander: about 7.5 seconds |
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| 07:20.21 | levander | eeyore-: note that if firefox is already cached, firefox starts up much faster |
| 07:20.25 | MoDaX | Daffy-PKF: which kernel are you running? you should try the latest |
| 07:20.33 | levander | eeyore-: close and try it a second time to see if it's faster |
| 07:20.33 | eeyore- | levander: we have to have some baseline to compare. what's your machine speed? |
| 07:20.38 | Daffy-PKF | levander> i thinks it looks for plugins to load, config... |
| 07:20.44 | Daffy-PKF | MoDaX> 2.6.12 |
| 07:20.47 | levander | piii 550, ata33 ide controller |
| 07:20.53 | justin420 | Hi yall, anybody help with trying to use tightvnc on debian?? When I try to connect locally, I get "Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0. If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again." Any ideas anyone? I tried stfw and didnt find much of anything. |
| 07:20.59 | eeyore- | levander: OK, well, that's going to be slower. |
| 07:21.09 | lish | glasse: But the pdf file will be clearly enough to see the electronic unit's types |
| 07:21.15 | benjamindees | g3brown, yeah I found a floppy and tested it |
| 07:21.15 | eeyore- | levander: not much you could do about it, really |
| 07:21.17 | levander | eeyore-: you can close firefox and re-open it? time it again? it's much faster the second time |
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| 07:21.39 | eeyore- | levander: of course i know it's faster. why should i have to do it? i already know it's going to be in cache. |
| 07:21.40 | Daffy-PKF | MoDaX> wich is the last one? 2.6.14? |
| 07:21.46 | MoDaX | Daffy-PKF: and what's your card brand and model? |
| 07:21.46 | glasse | lish: You might also try opening the PDF in Gimp. I don't know if that will help or not, though. |
| 07:21.54 | levander | eeyore-: because i want to see how long it takes |
| 07:22.07 | Daffy-PKF | MoDaX> ADSTech Instant TV PCI |
| 07:22.10 | eeyore- | levander: 1.5 seconds |
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| 07:22.47 | levander | eeyore-: okay, thanks |
| 07:23.32 | ryoohki | how do i check the files in the filesystem against the packages in the database? i had a few crashes during the install and now somethings need reinstalling |
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| 07:23.50 | foo | What good rss reader would you guys recommend? I am looking through the different ones, was looking for some favorites |
| 07:24.04 | eeyore- | ryoohki: debsums |
| 07:24.15 | EdibleText | the keg is kcked an me mum jus spilt a qort of beer! |
| 07:24.16 | eeyore- | ryoohki: but that's not 100% (some packages dont seem to have checksums) |
| 07:25.11 | ryoohki | ok, i just want to find what needs reinstalling - need a security check |
| 07:25.25 | ryoohki | i meant not a security check |
| 07:25.59 | lish | glasse: i runed gimp to open it. it's not clearly. what a pity |
| 07:26.30 | ryoohki | x won't start and locales are missing |
| 07:26.32 | glasse | lish: Definitely. Sorry about that, I don't have any other ideas. |
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| 07:27.39 | lish | glasse: thank you very much. you are cute :P |
| 07:27.48 | glasse | lish: Thanks? :) |
| 07:28.10 | lish | glasse: Of cource thank you ^ ^ |
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| 07:28.37 | ryoohki | hmm - didn't find much |
| 07:28.55 | MoDaX | Daffy-PKF: it might be that your card is not supported. I haven't managed to find anything. sorry |
| 07:28.59 | ryoohki | how can i find what's broken or reinstall X? |
| 07:29.33 | Daffy-PKF | MoDaX> ok thanks, i keep on trying all the card/tuner possibilitys... hope i'll find something |
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| 07:46.30 | vovka | welll |
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| 07:46.48 | vovka | gentoo is redhat like kernel ? |
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| 07:47.09 | vovka | on what gentoo based? |
| 07:47.19 | eeyore- | vovka: why are you asking about gentoo here? (and why make reference to redhat?) |
| 07:47.32 | vovka | 8) |
| 07:47.35 | eeyore- | vovka: it's not based on anything |
| 07:47.52 | vovka | =) |
| 07:48.01 | vovka | standalone? |
| 07:49.07 | vovka | i want many servers on debian... but some men told that gentoo is better for servers |
| 07:49.08 | GPLGeek | Gentoo has their own very custom kernel and uses the emerge system that lets you install from stages. They also offer "vanilla" kernels which are less modded kernels, usually just ones taken from the kernel repository |
| 07:49.19 | GPLGeek | Debian is just fine for servers |
| 07:49.34 | vovka | =) |
| 07:50.06 | GPLGeek | Gentoo is fun but for a server I can not go without my debian |
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| 07:50.47 | vovka | =) |
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| 07:51.17 | vovka | then i continue to compile mysql4.1 ... 8) |
| 07:51.27 | eeyore- | vovka: i run both debian and gentoo on servers ... no real difference |
| 07:51.33 | GPLGeek | Gentoo can be really nice if you bootstrap because you learn everything from the bottom up, there is a lot of documentation, and its a change in taste. |
| 07:51.39 | eeyore- | vovka: except that debian tends to be faster at installing at packages |
| 07:52.04 | vovka | 8-) |
| 07:52.09 | eeyore- | vovka: on the other hand, gentoo lets me keep the size/feature list small since i could disable parts of the code |
| 07:52.12 | GPLGeek | gentoo people say "When you compile EVERYTHING for your specific machine everything is faster" |
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| 07:52.36 | eeyore- | GPLGeek: it's true up to a point |
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| 07:52.45 | tkooda | is there any way to recover files on a partition that I've run mke2fs on? |
| 07:52.52 | GPLGeek | get debian net-install and hell its small enough |
| 07:52.59 | vovka | 8-) |
| 07:53.05 | eeyore- | GPLGeek: not true |
| 07:53.19 | eeyore- | GPLGeek: if you happen to install something that pulls in, say, cups, or X, for instance |
| 07:53.24 | GPLGeek | what, you need embedded solutions? |
| 07:53.44 | GPLGeek | You can choose not to install X |
| 07:53.46 | eeyore- | GPLGeek: not necessarily, but you still wouldn't want *some* packages (X) on, say, a firewall |
| 07:53.47 | sifi | should I avoid using jigdo as root? |
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| 07:53.58 | eeyore- | GPLGeek: we're talking about chain of dependencies |
| 07:54.02 | vovka | guys, i want only hosting server |
| 07:54.03 | vovka | 8) |
| 07:54.05 | GPLGeek | well ya |
| 07:54.10 | GPLGeek | use flags are nice |
| 07:55.27 | eeyore- | vovka: if you have no idea what's what, run redhat and pay for support. if you want to get what you pay for, novell/suse. if you want freedom + stay up to date in sane manner, debian. if you want to tweak stuff all the time, gentoo |
| 07:55.53 | vovka | =) |
| 07:56.01 | sifi | should I avoid to use wget as root? |
| 07:56.02 | vovka | eeyore-, well i choose debian 8) |
| 07:56.13 | vovka | eeyore-, and i have ppc at home 8) |
| 07:56.42 | eeyore- | vovka: i mean it. with gentoo, it's a pain in the ass to update packages. the package system is so fucking stupid that it doesn't know how to merge configuration files. you have to manually merge changes (tedious), or mass-updates everything and hope nothing breaks |
| 07:56.50 | eeyore- | vovka: that's my #1 pet peeve about gentoo ... |
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| 07:57.48 | lgd | good morning |
| 07:58.01 | vovka | eeyore-, 8-) |
| 07:58.13 | eeyore- | with debian, at least there's some mechanism to preserve your existing configuration and migrate to newer config files ... not so for gentoo. it's either keep yours, overwrite with new defaults (probably stupid defaults), or merge (somewhat) by hand ... this is silly when you have hundreds of config files to take care of |
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| 07:58.43 | vovka | he he |
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| 07:59.47 | KiD | re2all |
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| 08:00.28 | KiD | )) |
| 08:00.30 | KiD | vova pofic |
| 08:00.35 | KiD | eto odin i totje server |
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| 08:01.47 | KiD | what is the best server linux? |
| 08:02.15 | vovka | =)) |
| 08:02.20 | KiD | )) |
| 08:02.27 | vovka | correct question on correct channel |
| 08:02.35 | MrNaz | FreeBSD :P |
| 08:02.36 | KiD | eny body here? |
| 08:02.57 | eeyore- | KiD: you've got to be kidding |
| 08:03.06 | KiD | i say LINUX |
| 08:03.14 | vovka | kids always kidding |
| 08:03.15 | KiD | no |
| 08:03.19 | KiD | )) |
| 08:03.35 | KiD | and what? |
| 08:03.48 | KiD | have an idea about that? |
| 08:04.29 | KiD | or it's uncorrect question on thus chanel? |
| 08:04.38 | KiD | ^this ) |
| 08:04.48 | eeyore- | KiD: what's the "best" car? |
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| 08:04.59 | KiD | o yeah ) |
| 08:05.23 | KiD | what is the best specify car? - korecctly |
| 08:05.35 | KiD | i say? server linux |
| 08:05.42 | KiD | is it so hard? |
| 08:05.52 | tarzeau | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
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| 08:06.04 | KiD | cool) |
| 08:06.26 | tarzeau | for parking smallest cars are the best |
| 08:06.37 | tarzeau | and for joy, largest cars with big backroom |
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| 08:06.52 | KiD | yeah! gold say |
| 08:07.00 | eeyore- | i want a Brute some day |
| 08:07.25 | kurumin | plis |
| 08:07.28 | KiD | and ? what? Server (not desctop) web - server - Linux (not *bsd) |
| 08:07.37 | kurumin | plis |
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| 08:08.02 | kurumin | plis |
| 08:09.23 | KiD | vovka |
| 08:09.33 | KiD | may be russian server& |
| 08:09.35 | KiD | may be russian server? |
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| 08:10.46 | justin420 | Hi yall, anybody help with trying to use tightvnc on debian?? When I try to connect locally, I get "Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0. If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again." Any ideas anyone? I tried stfw and didnt find much of anything. |
| 08:11.22 | benjamindees | that's the x server that is running |
| 08:11.33 | benjamindees | specify a different one for tightvnc |
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| 08:11.50 | jm_ | or use VNC server that exports current session |
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| 08:13.12 | justin420 | jm_: what one would be a different vnc server for debian?? |
| 08:13.25 | jm_ | justin420: apt-cache search vnc |
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| 08:13.45 | justin420 | jm_: i see. thanks allot. :) |
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| 08:14.11 | jm_ | justin420: so you can use say rfb, or do as benjamindees said and start it as anotherserver (:1) |
| 08:14.13 | jm_ | too late |
| 08:15.02 | lish | my one friends encounter such thing: rm files which are useful , he is crying .lol. Before i did such thing,and never want to resume that. Any quick way to help him? |
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| 08:15.24 | jm_ | there's ext2 undeletion howto, but forget about it if it's ext3 |
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| 08:15.57 | jm_ | one other, very useful option, would be to restore from backup |
| 08:15.57 | lish | it is ext3 |
| 08:16.05 | fool | howdy ppl, is the easy way to test a printer on LPT1 'ls -la >> /dev/lp0' ?? |
| 08:16.05 | tonix | hi, is there a way/option to receive emails from apt-get after an upgrade? thanks |
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| 08:16.15 | jm_ | then it's unlikely he'll be able to recover the files, unless some app has them open still |
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| 08:16.18 | fool | trying to get a PCI parallel card working |
| 08:16.22 | tonix | ..with the list of upgraded packages |
| 08:17.07 | lish | jm_: no effective backup |
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| 08:17.59 | lish | jm_: He send himself to hell ? |
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| 08:18.45 | jm_ | lish: why didn't he backup the files if they are so important? |
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| 08:19.34 | lish | jm_: he never have rm's fault and i though he will remeber this experience! |
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| 08:20.32 | lish | jm_: Still some way? |
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| 08:21.45 | thirst | i get this "mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or partA busy" error when I try to mount my disk which is a primary slave in debain.. how can i fix this |
| 08:22.41 | dimir | thirst: sure hdb1 is a vaild fs partition? |
| 08:22.48 | dimir | thirst: could it be swap? |
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| 08:23.37 | jm_ | lish: I don't know of it unless the files are still open, like I said above |
| 08:23.45 | thirst | yeah.. I also tried booting to windows and formatting this partition as FAT32 it still gives the same error |
| 08:24.28 | thirst | it gives this error for all partitions on that disk.. but this works well when i reboot using my 2.4 kernel |
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| 08:24.47 | ma3x | W: GPG error: http://mirror.switch.ch unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 08:24.50 | ma3x | why is that error? |
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| 08:25.24 | AgentJ87 | hi |
| 08:25.39 | AgentJ87 | can anyone refer my to a sfv maker |
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| 08:26.01 | dimir | thirst: tried to specify the fs type? |
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| 08:26.40 | AgentJ87 | anyone |
| 08:26.41 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 08:27.59 | thirst | dimir: yeah.. tried that also.. |
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| 08:29.13 | dimir | thirst: are these ext3? |
| 08:30.40 | AgentJ87 | can anyone refer my to a sfv maker |
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| 08:32.22 | melvin | morning |
| 08:32.56 | bucky | AgentJ87: apt-cache show cfv |
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| 08:33.39 | AgentJ87 | how do i use it |
| 08:34.11 | bucky | man cfv |
| 08:34.39 | sifi | how can I use chown UID 0 instead of chown root? |
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| 08:35.06 | jm_ | cfv++ :) |
| 08:36.15 | raden | !rsa |
| 08:36.15 | dpkg | well, rsa is a public key encryption algorithm |
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| 08:38.51 | sifi | what is going faster if I'm downloading debian for the first time. Jigdo or wget? |
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| 08:39.58 | sifi | nobody knows? |
| 08:40.31 | sifi | it's morning ;), nobody is awake |
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| 08:42.06 | doubleukay | anyone knows of a serial terminal emulator, like minicom? |
| 08:42.10 | doubleukay | for the console. |
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| 08:45.20 | Sasuke | hello chan. |
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| 08:46.24 | dimir | lo! |
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| 08:48.02 | Sasuke | Is there any way known, to have windows machines networked, no domain controller, to access a debian machine for samba/file sharing reasons, and be auth'd by the debian machine, without having to allow guest access on the debian machine |
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| 08:49.12 | valdyn | sifi: what would be the difference? |
| 08:49.36 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: that's just the standard authentication using smbpasswd. |
| 08:49.51 | Diazepa1 | guys i just tried to install openvpn with APT and have recieved this error "dpkg: error processing openvpn (--configure): |
| 08:49.51 | Diazepa1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.53 | Diazepa1 | ? |
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| 08:50.13 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: assuming you're talking about just normal shares; if you want to log into the windows machines using the Debian machine, you'll have to set up the Debian machine as a PDC. |
| 08:50.20 | sifi | valdyn, if im only want the first ISO CD Jigdo is downloading files while wget download that iso? |
| 08:50.39 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: PDC ? |
| 08:50.56 | dondelelcaro | Diazepa1: give us the full output, and probably add a set -x to the top of the openvpn postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openvpn.postinst |
| 08:50.57 | valdyn | sifi: no, your UID question |
| 08:51.03 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: primary domain controller. |
| 08:51.08 | dimir | jidgo, unless you know the fastest mirror for you current location. |
| 08:51.13 | sifi | valdyn, but is the thing I just said correct? |
| 08:51.14 | valdyn | sifi: wget should be faster |
| 08:51.26 | sifi | valdyn, I think so to |
| 08:51.29 | liran | i've installed dhcp and i have 2 nics, i've given it dhcp details for one nic but it won't start unless i give it dhcp details for the other but im not interested in that... any idea? |
| 08:51.47 | valdyn | sifi: because initiating new connection(s) takes time and because jigdo doesnt only download |
| 08:51.51 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: i primarily want the windows boxes to dump data to the debian box, sort of a make shift file server. |
| 08:51.54 | sifi | valdyn, well the UID 0 = superuser, while root is a username |
| 08:52.05 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: then just use the smbpasswd authentication; that's all you need. |
| 08:52.13 | dondelelcaro | liran: change your /etc/defaults/dhcp3-server to only list the interface that you want it to listen on. |
| 08:52.20 | sifi | valdyn, exactly |
| 08:52.26 | valdyn | sifi: true, but who would give 'root' an ID that is not 0? |
| 08:52.34 | Sasuke | hmm |
| 08:52.42 | doubleukay | anyone knows of a serial terminal emulator, like minicom? |
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| 08:53.02 | Diazepa1 | dondelelcaro: where do you want me to paste the output? |
| 08:53.04 | dondelelcaro | doubleukay: what's wrong with minicom? |
| 08:53.06 | jm_ | what's wrong with minicom? |
| 08:53.08 | jm_ | :P |
| 08:53.14 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 08:53.14 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 08:53.18 | doubleukay | nothing's wrong except i have to wait for the admin to run minicom -s :) |
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| 08:53.30 | doubleukay | and that might be something he'd do tomorrow. |
| 08:53.31 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: thanks - I can't seem to man this - anyway to get a list of the current smbpasswords? or is there a file... |
| 08:53.43 | jm_ | doubleukay: you can always use ser2net or similar tool |
| 08:54.00 | doubleukay | will give it a shot |
| 08:54.22 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: man smbpasswd... |
| 08:54.38 | sifi | valdyn, nobody, I just want to write secure sh scripts |
| 08:54.48 | sifi | valdyn, very secure scripts |
| 08:55.09 | Diazepa1 | okay here is the paste to the VPN error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1337 |
| 08:55.19 | doubleukay | hmm sf.net looks prettier. |
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| 08:55.42 | fireba11 | HAHA |
| 08:55.45 | tarzeau | i hate thunderbird |
| 08:55.50 | ma3x | why I can't run apt-setup? |
| 08:55.51 | meneg | can I make "dpkg -l" or similar list in order of date of installation? |
| 08:55.53 | fireba11 | 1337 past0r ^^ |
| 08:55.55 | ma3x | what do I have to reinstall? |
| 08:56.01 | valdyn | sifi: id -u root can test the id |
| 08:56.03 | ma3x | I tried reinstalling base-config but it didnt wor |
| 08:56.15 | tarzeau | meneg: no |
| 08:56.23 | sifi | valdyn, there we are |
| 08:56.28 | meneg | tarzeau: :< |
| 08:56.30 | tarzeau | meneg: but with testing dpkg there's a log |
| 08:56.36 | dondelelcaro | Diazepa1: run DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline apt-get -f install; |
| 08:56.37 | meneg | aha |
| 08:56.41 | meneg | tarzeau: do you know where? |
| 08:56.43 | tarzeau | meneg: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 08:56.46 | meneg | k thx |
| 08:56.53 | dondelelcaro | Diazepa1: and possibly then run dpkg-reconfigure debconf; and select a frontend that doesn't require X. |
| 08:57.07 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: i read the man. don't see where i can get a list of users currently having a pass entered in smbpasswd |
| 08:57.08 | sifi | valdyn, if [ `id -u` == "0" ]; then exit; fi |
| 08:57.14 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: thanks tho |
| 08:57.17 | Diazepa1 | okay |
| 08:57.23 | sifi | valdyn, that should do it |
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| 08:58.30 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: awk -F : /etc/samba/smbpasswd '{print $1}' |
| 08:58.38 | Elijah | hi all, who can help me ? can we have a private conversation ? |
| 08:58.49 | Diazepa1 | that did it dondelelcaro: what did that command actually do? |
| 08:58.55 | sifi | how do I remove a file thats named: -t ? |
| 08:59.08 | meneg | mv -- lala lala |
| 08:59.17 | dondelelcaro | err, other way around. |
| 08:59.29 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: awk -F : '{print $1}' /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 08:59.32 | sifi | ? |
| 08:59.48 | Elijah | en , i have a huge problem...... |
| 08:59.55 | meneg | sifi: mv -- -t newname |
| 08:59.58 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: ahh |
| 09:00.11 | Sasuke | no such file or directory |
| 09:00.12 | Sasuke | heh. |
| 09:00.14 | dondelelcaro | Diazepa1: man 7 debconf; and read about the different frontends... basically, it chose a frontend that doesn't require X. |
| 09:00.22 | meneg | sifi: or also quotes could do it |
| 09:00.27 | sifi | meneg, ok, is there no way to rm -t directly |
| 09:00.28 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: then you're using a different smbpasswd, or you haven't created one. |
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| 09:00.51 | meneg | rm -- -t |
| 09:01.13 | dondelelcaro | -- is the magical "the following things are not options" option. |
| 09:01.14 | valdyn | !tell Elijah -about ask |
| 09:01.19 | meneg | and touch -- -t etc. |
| 09:01.23 | sifi | meneg, what is -- for? |
| 09:01.27 | sifi | ah |
| 09:01.33 | sifi | dondelelcaro, see |
| 09:01.55 | ma3x | !apt-setup |
| 09:01.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
| 09:02.07 | Elijah | ok |
| 09:02.09 | Elijah | Hi all, I am kind of new to Linux and I have a Acer TravelMate 2403 Laptop. I am trying to get my broadcom 4401 NIC running under Debian GNU/Linux 3.1r0a _Sarge_ and when I try to MAKE the driver I get a "Linux Kernel Source tree not found" message and I cannot go . |
| 09:02.09 | Elijah | Then, I found some answers. Some one told me that 'For driver packages to be installed, the kernel-source package often needs to be installed , you can install the kernel source package and try again .' |
| 09:02.09 | Elijah | So, I do as it. |
| 09:02.09 | Elijah | I download the kernel-source-2.4.27_2.4.27-10sarge1_all.deb , the kernel-tree-2.4.27_2.4.27-10sarge1_all.deb and the kernel-patch- debian-2.4.27_2.4.27-10sarge1_all.deb. dpkg it , make . |
| 09:02.12 | Elijah | but then it appears the same result as before. god ! |
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| 09:02.18 | meneg | lol? |
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| 09:02.28 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: using the -a command I setup a user called sasuke, and now have access to the debian box (seeing as in windows i auth with sasuke to login to my profile) so i got in automatically - but still no file |
| 09:02.32 | Sasuke | perhaps i did something wrong... |
| 09:02.32 | dondelelcaro | Elijah: please don't paste here. |
| 09:02.41 | Elijah | o , sorry |
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| 09:02.59 | fireba11 | Elijah: lokks like you are missing kernel-headers |
| 09:03.01 | Elijah | i want a private conversion...:) |
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| 09:03.12 | Elijah | o |
| 09:03.30 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: then you're using a different smbpasswd file; I'd guess /usr/share/samba/smbpasswd or something else manic. |
| 09:03.34 | valdyn | Elijah: cd /usr/src/; tar xzf kernel-source*; cd kernel-source-foo; cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.confing; make oldconfig |
| 09:03.36 | ma3x | bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 09:03.36 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# |
| 09:03.46 | BetawiBoyz | <!-- function open_compose_win(args) { var url = "/webmail/app/compose.php"; if (url.indexOf('?') == -1) glue = '?'; else glue = '&'; var now = new Date(); var name = "compose_windows_" + now.getTime(); if (args != "") { url = url + glue + args + '&' + 'uniq=' + now.get <--- please explain this |
| 09:03.48 | valdyn | Elijah: cd /usr/src/; tar xzf kernel-source*; cd kernel-source-foo; cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config; make oldconfig |
| 09:03.52 | ma3x | why is it not found? |
| 09:04.12 | Sasuke | usr/share.. that would be odd |
| 09:04.16 | dondelelcaro | BetawiBoyz: ENOCONTEXT |
| 09:04.23 | fireba11 | ma3x: guess it's not installed by default .. |
| 09:04.37 | Sasuke | i'll do a search |
| 09:04.41 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: then install it... |
| 09:04.47 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 09:04.47 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 09:04.49 | ma3x | fireba11, dondelelcaro what should I install? what package? |
| 09:04.54 | meneg | apt-setup is in base-config deb |
| 09:04.56 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: apt-setup |
| 09:05.00 | meneg | not in unstable though.. |
| 09:05.05 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, there is no such package |
| 09:05.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell ma3x -about search |
| 09:05.54 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, I already know how to search. It's in the base-config package, right? |
| 09:06.03 | ma3x | I already reinstalled it, and nothing found again |
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| 09:06.33 | Elijah | ok ,fireba11, valdyn .. i will try them |
| 09:06.34 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: then you should know all about the output of http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=apt-setup&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 09:06.41 | liran | dondelelcaro, its not dhcp3server it's the dhcpd package and i dont have that file... what can i try? |
| 09:06.45 | Elijah | thank a lot |
| 09:06.45 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: and know how to switch it to search for unstable. |
| 09:06.46 | Sasuke | bah. i never could use the find command in shell properly... |
| 09:06.57 | dondelelcaro | liran: uh... you should be running dhcp3-server, not dhcpd. |
| 09:07.08 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: find / -type f -name 'smbpasswd' |
| 09:07.25 | valdyn | BetawiBoyz: does this channel look like a javascriopt ( or whatever language ) support channel? |
| 09:07.47 | liran | dondelelcaro, ok then ill uninstall it |
| 09:08.07 | meneg | does anyone know what the current debian unstable way for a wireless interface daemon(windows style, for a laptop)? Im lost. |
| 09:08.38 | dondelelcaro | meneg: I don't follow you... |
| 09:08.41 | valdyn | meneg: what is that wlan daemon supposed to do? |
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| 09:08.58 | Braden_ | Hello |
| 09:09.10 | Braden_ | When I did apt-get upgrade, it made kde not work |
| 09:09.15 | meneg | sth that checks around for wireless spots, im really not experienced in wlans |
| 09:09.17 | Braden_ | My monitor now goes out of range |
| 09:09.20 | Braden_ | How do I fix it? |
| 09:09.36 | dondelelcaro | meneg: iwlist and iwconfig can do that. |
| 09:09.44 | meneg | automatically? |
| 09:09.52 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, there is only udeb! |
| 09:10.03 | BetawiBoyz | braden do rm -rf / |
| 09:10.05 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: welcome to unstbale. |
| 09:10.06 | BetawiBoyz | :) |
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| 09:10.19 | valdyn | quick |
| 09:10.26 | meneg | lol |
| 09:10.33 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, are the udebs in the sources, or I must always download them separately? |
| 09:11.10 | Braden_ | Anyone know? |
| 09:11.12 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: udebs are generally built from the full packages, yes. |
| 09:11.20 | Elijah | 88 all |
| 09:11.25 | Braden_ | I looked in xorg.conf but didn't see anything that looked wrong |
| 09:11.26 | dondelelcaro | Braden_: you'll have to give us far more detail than that... |
| 09:11.37 | liran | dondelelcaro, ok working, thanks :P |
| 09:11.40 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: last question. do you recommend using webmin to manage samba? (I asked because I loaded webmin and used that for samba, and nothing worked until I entered the command manually like you said.) is this usually the case |
| 09:11.53 | Braden_ | dondelelcaro: I would be happy too, but I am don't know what is relevant to tell you... |
| 09:12.07 | Braden_ | God my english is horrible when I am tired. |
| 09:12.15 | ma3x | hey, while I'm in firefox browser, when I press backspace it goes one page back. and how do I go one page forward? |
| 09:12.16 | ma3x | what's the hotkey |
| 09:12.23 | dondelelcaro | !webmin |
| 09:12.23 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 09:12.32 | meneg | i god i hate webmin and friends |
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| 09:12.37 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: the above sums up my opinion on webmin. |
| 09:12.58 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: hahahaha |
| 09:13.05 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: dokai.. |
| 09:13.25 | dondelelcaro | Braden_: 1) what is broken about kde 2) what version were you running before it broke? 3) what version are you running now? 4) have you checked the bts? |
| 09:13.53 | Braden_ | Well, actually... |
| 09:13.56 | Braden_ | its not kde |
| 09:13.58 | Braden_ | its gdm |
| 09:14.05 | Braden_ | When gdm starts my monitor goes out of range |
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| 09:14.13 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, W: GPG error: http://mirror.switch.ch unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 09:14.16 | Braden_ | it didn't used to until I did the apt update thingy |
| 09:14.20 | ma3x | why is that error in the signature? |
| 09:14.26 | dondelelcaro | !apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 09:14.26 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4F368D5D ; gpg --export 4F368D5D | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 09:14.26 | ma3x | this usually doesn't happen |
| 09:14.45 | Sasuke | hrmm. |
| 09:15.32 | Sasuke | dondelelcaro: what about SWAT ? don't hurt me. i'm trying to find something easier in my old age. |
| 09:15.37 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, did that, but still getting that error |
| 09:16.52 | bbrazil | Sasuke: I tried swat a few years back, it listed every single option - hence too cluttered to use |
| 09:18.17 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: then that mirror is corrupting the release file. Try a better mirror. |
| 09:18.27 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, can you give me some better mirrors please? |
| 09:18.30 | dondelelcaro | Sasuke: I'd personally just use an editor |
| 09:18.33 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 09:18.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 09:21.16 | Braden_ | Did I give enough info? |
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| 09:23.16 | AM|R | How to activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 09:23.19 | dondelelcaro | Braden_: if it's switching to a mode that your monitor can't display, then you haven't specified the settings right in your x configuration. |
| 09:23.26 | dondelelcaro | AM|R: you shouldn't need it. |
| 09:23.36 | Braden_ | I looked in xorg.conf and it looked correct |
| 09:23.40 | dondelelcaro | AM|R: if you think you need it, first upgrade to sarge, then upgrade to testing. |
| 09:23.57 | AM|R | but i got error here on apt-upgrade |
| 09:24.01 | dondelelcaro | Braden_: it may look correct, but whatever video mode it's picking is outside of the range that your monitor can display. |
| 09:24.11 | AM|R | apt-get upgrade |
| 09:24.17 | dondelelcaro | AM|R: yes, because you're trying to upgrade from a testing box from pre april to testing of today. |
| 09:24.23 | Braden_ | Refresh rate or resolution? |
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| 09:24.29 | dondelelcaro | Braden_: all of the above. |
| 09:24.35 | dondelelcaro | AM|R: first upgrade to sarge, then upgrade to testing. |
| 09:24.42 | AM|R | i see |
| 09:24.48 | AM|R | ok i will try |
| 09:24.51 | AM|R | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 09:24.54 | Braden_ | Would it be a GDM thing or an xorg.conf thing? |
| 09:24.56 | dondelelcaro | AM|R: np |
| 09:24.59 | dondelelcaro | Braden_: xorg.conf thing |
| 09:25.04 | Braden_ | Okie, thanks =) |
| 09:25.09 | dondelelcaro | Braden_: since X; by itself will likewise fail... |
| 09:25.15 | AM|R | so i need to change the testing word in source.list to stable rite? |
| 09:25.34 | AM|R | upgrate on stable first only then upgrade on test |
| 09:25.35 | AM|R | rite? |
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| 09:27.55 | dondelelcaro | AM|R: yes. |
| 09:28.01 | sifi | how can I restore a file I have removed with rm? |
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| 09:28.20 | dondelelcaro | sifi: e2undel if you're using ext2. |
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| 09:28.31 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, you may be SOL. |
| 09:28.32 | sifi | dondelelcaro, ext3 |
| 09:28.48 | Sasuke | SOL it is. |
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| 09:29.10 | sifi | dondelelcaro, SOL for ext3 fs:s? |
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| 09:30.16 | dondelelcaro | sifi: likely; you can try e2undel or recover, but it may not work at all. |
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| 09:30.35 | sifi | dondelelcaro, ok |
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| 09:31.47 | nksen | hi guys. I have a running system and want to change the partitions on that one. I cannot boot up of knoppix and resize. there's a bootable partition of 60GB and after that a 500MB swap partition. filesystem of the boot partition is ext3. can I just shrink the existing with cfdisk, create a new one with the space that is free then and reboot? |
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| 09:40.12 | legrand | nksen: cfdisk is a not a good idea to shrink a partition. could you please point out what partitions you have now and how you would like them to be afterwards? |
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| 09:43.21 | nksen | legrand: sure. actually: 1st: 60GB /boot partition, fs: ext3. 2nd: 500MB swap-partition. afterwards: 50GB /boot partition, fs: ext3, 2nd: 20GB partition, fs: ext3, 3rd: 500MB swap partition |
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| 09:43.45 | nksen | s/50GB/40GB, otherwise I'd need a larger harddisk afterwards :) |
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| 09:45.43 | nksen | ah, i might use resize2fs |
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| 09:47.34 | liran | how do i grab something from cvs? |
| 09:47.50 | dimir | cvs co! |
| 09:48.11 | karsten | liran: Don't grab. Ask nicely. |
| 09:48.16 | dimir | svs co something! |
| 09:49.06 | azeem | liran: usually there are instruction for the big sites like Alioth, Savannah or Sourceforge |
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| 09:56.06 | karsten | ezamora1006: stop that. |
| 09:56.07 | karsten | !es |
| 09:56.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:57.24 | karsten | !ops msoltero1403 |
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| 10:00.54 | minghua | is it a known problem that 3.1r1 CD is missing 2.4.27 kernel? |
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| 10:01.06 | minghua | the netinstall CD I mean |
| 10:01.10 | nksen | can I use resize2fs on a mounted filesystem? |
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| 10:03.46 | karsten | nksen: Do you always ask data-critical questions on IRC channels? |
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| 10:04.12 | fireba11 | nksen: can't imagine that would be a good idea .. |
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| 10:06.25 | foo__ | hey which package contains the ldap server? |
| 10:06.38 | karsten | nksen: My recollection is that reiser supports some resize capabilities on live filesystems, I don't recall which or how well. |
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| 10:06.48 | foo__ | karsten i searched |
| 10:06.54 | foo__ | couldnt find the openldap *server* |
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| 10:07.21 | karsten | foo__: apt-cache search ldap | grep server |
| 10:07.22 | deeler | hi, is there a netinstall of debian sarge with 2.6.12 kernel ? |
| 10:07.34 | deeler | i need it for sata drivers |
| 10:07.37 | foo__ | karsten i need openldap server :) |
| 10:07.42 | karsten | foo__: slapd |
| 10:08.02 | fireba11 | deeler: you can tell netinstall to use 2.6 kernel .. don't know if it's 2.6.12 though |
| 10:08.08 | foo__ | karsten thats not openldap |
| 10:08.13 | foo__ | thats another ldap implementation |
| 10:08.13 | karsten | slapd - OpenLDAP server (slapd) |
| 10:08.17 | foo__ | hmm |
| 10:08.18 | deeler | fireba11, no its 2.6.8 |
| 10:08.19 | karsten | foo__: File a bug. |
| 10:08.28 | karsten | foo__: ... or check it and see. |
| 10:08.31 | foo__ | stupid me |
| 10:08.33 | foo__ | ok thanks |
| 10:08.37 | deeler | does anyone else know ? |
| 10:08.45 | karsten | foo__: NP ;-) |
| 10:08.54 | minghua | deeler: I think the etch beta1 installer uses 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 10:09.10 | deeler | minghua, okay, but i need sarge |
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| 10:10.03 | fireba11 | deeler: tehre is always the option of making a modified CD |
| 10:10.07 | minghua | deeler: sarge only supports 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 as far as I know |
| 10:10.22 | deeler | fireball, i'm not skilled enough to do that :) |
| 10:10.29 | karsten | deeler: ... or doing a debootstrap install under anything you can boot on the system. |
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| 10:11.18 | fireba11 | deeler: only 2.6.8-11 in sarge right now |
| 10:11.27 | deeler | karsten, not familiar with that ... |
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| 10:12.00 | karsten | !tell deeler about debootstrap |
| 10:12.41 | karsten | deeler: ... it's a debian bootstrap installer, does a chroot install under pretty much any working Linux instance you can get on a system. |
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| 10:13.08 | karsten | deeler: ...there's a bit of hand fussing involved, but not much. If you've done a couple of installs you should be able to handle ti. |
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| 10:14.28 | dannyr | hi, I recently apt-get upgrade debian sarge & lost my sound - lspci shows a VIA VT826686 sound device (onboard) but I cannot figure out how to re-activate it - can anyone help - I'm all googled out? |
| 10:14.50 | pumpkin0 | dannyr: oss or alsa ? |
| 10:15.30 | liran | uhmm, seems like i cant install abiword |
| 10:15.34 | liran | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 10:15.46 | dannyr | pumpkin0: Thank you, I tried installing/runnin alsa - it identified it but would not activate it - I will search stuff on oss |
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| 10:16.14 | pumpkin0 | dannyr: have you tried the dpkg alsa-oneliner ? |
| 10:16.38 | outlaw84 | I just created new paritions with cfdisk but they are not showing in /dev so I cant doa nything with them |
| 10:16.46 | outlaw84 | what should I do? |
| 10:17.07 | pumpkin0 | outlaw84: reboot ? |
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| 10:17.51 | dannyr | pumpkin0: No - I just ran it and it tell ms dpkg: need an action option - I'm still reading - any suggestions |
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| 10:18.11 | outlaw84 | pumpkin0: not even windows requires rebooting there is now way that Linux needs it |
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| 10:19.15 | pumpkin0 | Who killed the alsa-one-liner ?? |
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| 10:20.15 | pumpkin0 | outlaw84: you can use hdparm to reread the partition tables. but be warned: it's not the best way to do it. |
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| 10:22.10 | pumpkin0 | dannyr: dpkg only finds /msg dpkg alsa . i don't find the one-line factoid... |
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| 10:22.12 | ice_1963 | install alsa-base alsa-utils libesd-alsa libpt-plugins-alsa |
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| 10:22.37 | jm_ | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 10:22.37 | dpkg | somebody said 2.4 alsa one-liner was to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 10:22.51 | pumpkin0 | jm_: thx |
| 10:22.51 | jm_ | that's similar, there's also "alsa for morons" |
| 10:23.36 | ice_1963 | lol :0) |
| 10:23.44 | pumpkin0 | i search /msg dpkg alsa one-liner ... |
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| 10:24.25 | jm_ | it has that too |
| 10:24.31 | legrand | nksen: resize2fs is fine. make sure the partition is NOT mounted when you use it. BTW: 60GB /boot? I think you mean ROOT? |
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| 10:33.41 | Ian|BG4CRF | I can't find resizefs.reiser4 in reiser4progs |
| 10:34.03 | Ian|BG4CRF | Has anyone tried to resize reiser4? |
| 10:34.38 | pumpkin0 | Ian|BG4CRF: yes. i was glatt i had a backup. |
| 10:34.47 | NyteRukh | what is rieser? partitioner for install ? |
| 10:34.50 | DimmuR | I've strange problem with mp3player - when i try to store data on it i have only 16kB/s max transfer any ideas what can i do to make it faster? |
| 10:35.15 | pumpkin0 | DimmuR: transfer via USB ? |
| 10:35.28 | DimmuR | pumpkin0: usb 2.0 if its matter |
| 10:35.44 | Ian|BG4CRF | pumpkin0 ... what's that? |
| 10:35.49 | DimmuR | till yesterday reset it was all ok |
| 10:36.06 | Ian|BG4CRF | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.10 | Ian|BG4CRF | 2.6.14-mm2 |
| 10:36.10 | SimonRaven | Ian|BG4CRF: dpkg -L <package name> [<package name> ....] |
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| 10:36.24 | ZiX | ahh |
| 10:36.26 | ZiX | t |
| 10:36.41 | pumpkin0 | DimmuR: the problem may be the speed-setting for USB. USB 2.0 can work with 480MB/s or USB 1.1 via is much slower... |
| 10:37.17 | pumpkin0 | Ian|BG4CRF: the resize killed all files and left the system unbootable. |
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| 10:37.33 | Ian|BG4CRF | o... I c... |
| 10:38.00 | DimmuR | pumpkin0: but 16kB/s is too little even for usb 1.1 - i had faster transfers before (now 1 mp3 file is stored in 20 minutes :|) |
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| 10:38.36 | Ian|BG4CRF | I want to resize my /home ... |
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| 10:40.29 | pumpkin0 | Ian|BG4CRF: make a backup, kill the partition, create a new one, copy the backup to the new parition. /home is not really a dealbreaker. linux works just fine w/o. |
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| 10:40.46 | Ian|BG4CRF | ok... |
| 10:41.14 | Ian|BG4CRF | I think I will try XFS of reiserfs... @_@ |
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| 10:41.55 | deeler | would this work ; instead of a debbootstrap ... put the satacontroller in compatibility mode, install a 2.6.8 sarge (standard netinst image) , then apt-get a newer kernel, and finally reboot with real sata mode .. ??????? |
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| 10:42.06 | SimonRaven | better off with xfs or jfs or ext3 than reiser, IMO |
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| 10:42.14 | wykis-x | is debian made out of two dvds ? |
| 10:42.36 | Guerin | wykis-x: four |
| 10:42.44 | wykis-x | DVD or CD? |
| 10:42.45 | wykis-x | :] |
| 10:42.49 | pumpkin0 | wykis-x: DVD |
| 10:42.56 | wykis-x | ok |
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| 10:43.09 | Guerin | wykis-x: 28 CDs or 4 DVDs |
| 10:43.12 | wykis-x | ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/ << It's 300MB and 100MB DVD Images :S |
| 10:43.13 | pumpkin0 | wykis-x: not including the non-free and non-USA part. |
| 10:43.19 | Guerin | wykis-x: you can get away with one 110MB cd |
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| 10:43.31 | Guerin | pumpkin0: non-us is non-existent |
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| 10:43.59 | Eclipser | wasn't woody 7 CDs? :) |
| 10:44.02 | Eclipser | and potato 3? :) |
| 10:44.19 | racoontje | yeah. |
| 10:44.24 | wykis-x | i still dont get it |
| 10:44.30 | racoontje | But you don't need all of them obviously. |
| 10:44.34 | Eclipser | true |
| 10:44.40 | wykis-x | i went onto iso-dvd and there are two small images. whre do i download the big ones? |
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| 10:44.45 | NyteRukh | prolly was thinking of ordering the dvd set...so i could dual boot my amd 64 bit with sarge |
| 10:44.57 | pumpkin0 | wykis-x: do you want to install EVERYTHING or do you just need a basic desktop-setup ? |
| 10:45.05 | Guerin | wykis-x: you need to get them by bittorrent or jigdo |
| 10:45.08 | NyteRukh | and use win4lin to bring up windows if i want to play a game |
| 10:45.31 | racoontje | wykis-x: there are two ways to install debian |
| 10:45.32 | wykis-x | pumpkin0 i want to have a choice |
| 10:45.33 | Eclipser | mmh? |
| 10:45.44 | racoontje | wykis-x: well actually there are plenty more, but that's not important right now |
| 10:45.47 | wykis-x | racoontje what are they? |
| 10:45.58 | pumpkin0 | wykis-x: Download the netinstall-CD and install via internet. |
| 10:45.58 | racoontje | wykis-x: either you download ALL of the packages and end up with lots of CD's |
| 10:46.06 | wykis-x | racoontje i want to do dvds |
| 10:46.08 | Guerin | wykis-x: if you have an internet connection, you can install any package in debian |
| 10:46.15 | wykis-x | ok then |
| 10:46.20 | Guerin | wykis-x: don't download the dvds, download the netinstaller |
| 10:46.26 | Guerin | !tell wykis-x about install debian |
| 10:46.36 | racoontje | wykis-x: or you can get netinstall -- which is a minimal version, which downloads all packages from the internet instead of getting them from the package CD's/DVDs |
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| 10:47.04 | NyteRukh | yea but its nice to have the cd's incase you loose your net connection |
| 10:47.13 | wykis-x | yes |
| 10:47.18 | Guerin | NyteRukh: not really |
| 10:47.22 | wykis-x | and as well if you have got wi-fi controllers |
| 10:47.32 | wykis-x | and no wired connection |
| 10:47.43 | NyteRukh | brb |
| 10:47.45 | Guerin | debian base comes with practically every util you need to get a network set up |
| 10:47.47 | AM|R | how to install gcc |
| 10:47.50 | AM|R | a complete |
| 10:48.00 | Guerin | and anyone who has no wired connections in this day and age is *insane* |
| 10:48.07 | Guerin | !b-e AM|R |
| 10:48.07 | dpkg | AM|R: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 10:48.13 | wykis-x | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ << i only have the MD5 sums :s |
| 10:48.16 | jm_ | I have wireless connection! |
| 10:48.16 | petemc | anyone recommend a console based nntp client that does recombining and decoding and what not? |
| 10:48.17 | AM|R | thanks |
| 10:48.23 | Guerin | jm_: you also have ethernet |
| 10:48.41 | Guerin | petemc: talk to paulswm if you see him |
| 10:48.45 | petemc | cheers |
| 10:48.50 | Guerin | he's the usenet hound |
| 10:48.50 | jm_ | petemc: slrn if you tag in the right order :) |
| 10:48.57 | petemc | jm_: slrn i know of :) |
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| 10:49.07 | jm_ | petemc: how about nget? |
| 10:49.09 | petemc | looking for something to do the real legwork for me |
| 10:49.17 | petemc | jm_: will look into, ta |
| 10:50.02 | jm_ | Guerin: ethernet is for LAN only |
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| 10:50.12 | jm_ | and for the connection to the wireless box |
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| 10:50.41 | hellfire | hi |
| 10:50.55 | wykis-x | so guys, what is not wrong with the 300 and 100m DVD images? i want to download everything into dvds |
| 10:51.00 | jm_ | petemc: nget+uudeview should be OK for old style posts, there are other utils for modern posts |
| 10:51.01 | hellfire | is there any limitation on a ext2 filesystem how big a file can get? |
| 10:51.08 | jm_ | hellfire: of course |
| 10:51.08 | caphuso | hellfire: yes |
| 10:51.20 | jm_ | !tell hellfire -about lfs |
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| 10:52.05 | hellfire | jm_ thanks! |
| 10:52.32 | nksen | i just did an apt-get upgrade and apt installed a new kernel and warned me about my boot manager to be configured for using an initrd image |
| 10:52.45 | nksen | I used an initrd-image before, so it should be, shouldn't it? |
| 10:52.54 | nksen | using lilo and before runnign kernel-image-2.4.27 |
| 10:53.11 | petemc | jm_: well, im mostly interested in binaries.. |
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| 10:53.30 | wykis-x | do i have to download both files debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.jigdo and debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.jigdo ?? |
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| 10:54.19 | samuel | 1 |
| 10:54.28 | wykis-x | ok |
| 10:54.37 | samuel | hello ? |
| 10:55.04 | samuel | who know the DSL live-cd ? |
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| 10:56.21 | vovka__ | how to uninstall package? |
| 10:56.24 | vovka__ | i mean if i use "make install" |
| 10:56.52 | mansu | hi all |
| 10:57.27 | pumpkin0 | vovka__: make uninstall and pray... |
| 10:57.45 | vovka__ | 8-) |
| 10:57.55 | vovka__ | tried |
| 10:58.38 | mansu | i have to install a package called openexrc2a, but it is uninstalling all the kde packages, the last time i had a similar problem, i just did apt-get install kde, which upgraded the lib and kde as well, now i cannot do that as it says (apt-get install kde)kde is in its latest version.. how can i upgrade the package.. without affecting kde? |
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| 10:58.50 | wykis-x | ok i'm download |
| 10:58.51 | wykis-x | ing |
| 10:59.06 | hellfire | when GIB is gigabyte, what is EiB ? |
| 10:59.09 | SimonRaven | vovka__: otherwise it means going into wherever the install target put stuff, and rm'ing manually |
| 10:59.27 | ZiX | guys |
| 10:59.28 | SimonRaven | eta IIRC |
| 10:59.30 | vovka__ | =) |
| 10:59.30 | ZiX | i know a funny bug |
| 10:59.32 | ZiX | i discovered it |
| 10:59.36 | pumpkin0 | hellfire: Giga, Trea, Peta, Exa ... |
| 10:59.44 | pumpkin0 | hellfire: Giga, _Tera_, Peta, Exa ... |
| 10:59.45 | ZiX | try to make a script which creates a file called "-test" |
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| 10:59.51 | SimonRaven | though techinically EiB is probably something ugly like etibyte |
| 10:59.51 | ZiX | then try to delete it with commands |
| 10:59.52 | nksen | hm. I modprobed aes and sha256, but though I get Invalid argument, requested cipher or key length (128 bits) not supported by kernel |
| 10:59.54 | ZiX | won't work |
| 10:59.57 | vovka__ | ZiX, funny things are always features! |
| 10:59.58 | ZiX | then try to write a script for it |
| 10:59.58 | vovka__ | 8) |
| 11:00.00 | ales | how do i know that i am using the right video driver? |
| 11:00.05 | ZiX | that way, you can make undeletable files |
| 11:00.05 | ZiX | xD |
| 11:00.05 | SimonRaven | technically* |
| 11:00.15 | hellfire | umpkin0: god damn. exabyte? reiserfs rocks! |
| 11:00.18 | ZiX | that way, you can make password-protected files that can only be deleted with the pass |
| 11:00.22 | ZiX | ^_^ |
| 11:00.23 | ales | I have flight simulator 2004, how can i run this on debian? |
| 11:00.25 | SimonRaven | ales: when you can see stuff |
| 11:00.34 | SimonRaven | oh exa |
| 11:00.37 | pumpkin0 | hellfire: if you have a drive that big... |
| 11:00.37 | ales | SimonRaven: I love smartass people; Thankx. |
| 11:00.52 | hellfire | pumpkin0: not yet! |
| 11:00.56 | SimonRaven | you're welcome. i hope i made your day |
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| 11:01.09 | ales | SimonRaven: The week, actually. |
| 11:01.16 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 11:01.17 | Eclipser | ZiX, rm -- -test ? |
| 11:01.24 | ZiX | .. does that work? |
| 11:01.24 | hellfire | pumpkin0: but in some years i think any pda will have such a drive. :) |
| 11:01.30 | peterS | I've always been partial to 'rm ./-test' |
| 11:01.32 | wykis-x | nice download speeds 400-500 kbps |
| 11:01.33 | wykis-x | :D |
| 11:01.40 | wykis-x | *K/s |
| 11:01.46 | ZiX | okay then it's n00b protection |
| 11:01.48 | ZiX | cD |
| 11:01.48 | ZiX | xD* |
| 11:01.53 | wykis-x | :} |
| 11:01.59 | ZiX | zix@Tiger:~/programs$ ./mkimmor test |
| 11:01.59 | ZiX | zix@Tiger:~/programs$ ls |
| 11:01.59 | ZiX | fakeserv.pl mkimmor rmimmor -test |
| 11:02.12 | ZiX | zix@Tiger:~/programs$ rm -test |
| 11:02.12 | ZiX | rm: invalid option -- t |
| 11:02.12 | ZiX | Try `rm --help' for more information. |
| 11:02.21 | petemc | rm -- -test |
| 11:02.25 | ZiX | i know xD |
| 11:02.37 | sifi | how can say the user x download a file with wget, I want chown root for the file (I know sudo can be used, but not how)? |
| 11:02.37 | peterS | ZiX: it thinks -test is a set of command line arguments. ./-test is the simplest way to convince it otherwise |
| 11:02.38 | pumpkin0 | hellfire: WTF do you want to store on it ? I mean, with the 250 GB drives we have today... there's a limit for the aumont of p*rn you can watch... |
| 11:02.49 | ZiX | peterS: i know xD |
| 11:02.52 | ZiX | i forgot that way, though |
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| 11:03.19 | ales | anyone here using ubuntu? |
| 11:03.24 | jm_ | no |
| 11:03.24 | Eclipser | !ubuntu |
| 11:03.25 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 11:03.35 | ales | Eclipser: hehe ;-) sweeet. |
| 11:03.41 | blondie | ha |
| 11:03.49 | peterS | WWMSD? |
| 11:04.45 | ZiX | can i paste something long? |
| 11:04.45 | hellfire | pumpkin0: well actually i dont need Exabyte. But i have a vmware image of a windows system, which doesnt fit on my ext2 fs. |
| 11:04.45 | ZiX | xD |
| 11:04.50 | petemc | ZiX: no |
| 11:04.50 | sifi | how use wget with sudo? |
| 11:04.54 | Eclipser | ZiX, pastebin |
| 11:04.54 | ZiX | okay |
| 11:04.54 | ZiX | wait |
| 11:05.04 | pumpkin0 | sifi: try: sudo "wget ...." But sudo needs to be installed and configured. |
| 11:05.05 | hellfire | sifi: sudo wget |
| 11:05.24 | ZiX | http://pastebin.com/472895 |
| 11:05.24 | ZiX | ^_^ |
| 11:05.53 | Guerin | sifi: there is never any good reason to fetch a file using wget as root |
| 11:05.55 | ZiX | ... wait a minute |
| 11:05.55 | ZiX | oops |
| 11:05.58 | Guerin | sifi: let me repeat that: |
| 11:05.59 | ZiX | a little buggy there xD |
| 11:06.00 | Guerin | NEVER |
| 11:06.13 | peterS | ZiX: eh what is mkimmor/rmimmor anyway? |
| 11:06.14 | ales | Eclipser: i'm just about to install it; a friend referred me to it. |
| 11:06.20 | ZiX | peterS: the script that creates it |
| 11:06.23 | ZiX | "mk immortal" |
| 11:06.23 | ZiX | xD |
| 11:06.31 | peterS | ZiX: did you write the script? |
| 11:06.34 | ZiX | yup. |
| 11:06.43 | Eclipser | you're not making any sense |
| 11:07.04 | Eclipser | ales, of course we'd recommend installing debian instead |
| 11:07.11 | Eclipser | but go ahead and join #ubuntu if you want |
| 11:07.16 | sifi | sudo wget http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/support.html didn't work |
| 11:07.25 | Guerin | sifi: don't use sudo |
| 11:07.29 | ZiX | http://pastebin.com/472897 |
| 11:07.29 | ZiX | ^_^ |
| 11:07.34 | Guerin | sifi: never use sudo for wget |
| 11:07.35 | Guerin | ever |
| 11:07.36 | peterS | sifi: probably need quotes: sudo 'wget http://...' |
| 11:07.36 | SimonRaven | what's so hard about chattr +i ? |
| 11:07.38 | Guerin | for any reason |
| 11:07.45 | ales | Eclipser: never. Debian...always! |
| 11:07.47 | ZiX | SimonRaven: i know, +i works too, but this is n00b protection |
| 11:07.48 | pumpkin0 | hellfire: Sure ? ext2 can handle up to 4 TeraByte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2 |
| 11:07.53 | ZiX | SimonRaven: then you add an chattr +i |
| 11:07.56 | ZiX | then you have double protection |
| 11:07.56 | Eclipser | ales, good boy |
| 11:07.57 | ZiX | xD |
| 11:08.02 | sifi | Guerin, I want root as the user for a file that is being downloded with the user x |
| 11:08.11 | caphuso | sifi: man chown |
| 11:08.13 | SimonRaven | ENOPARSE |
| 11:08.17 | Guerin | sifi: use chown or chmod after the download |
| 11:08.18 | deeler | would this work ; instead of a debbootstrap ... put the satacontroller in compatibility mode, install a 2.6.8 sarge (standard netinst image) , then apt-get a newer kernel, and finally reboot with real sata mode .. ??????? |
| 11:08.37 | sifi | caphuso, but x can't set chown root to the file |
| 11:08.52 | hellfire | pumpkin0: then it maybe is the samba im running. |
| 11:08.53 | Guerin | sifi: sudo chown ... |
| 11:08.53 | Eclipser | sifi, why not? if user x owns the file in the first place? |
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| 11:08.59 | Guerin | sifi: or su -c chown |
| 11:09.02 | ZiX | zix@Tiger:~/programs$ rm --------mkimmor |
| 11:09.02 | ZiX | rm: unrecognised option `--------mkimmor' |
| 11:09.02 | ZiX | Try `rm --help' for more information. |
| 11:09.02 | ales | ha! I'm a girl. |
| 11:09.03 | ZiX | xD |
| 11:09.07 | peterS | deeler: possibly. how a 2.6.8 kernel reacts to this 'compatibility mode' is more than I can say |
| 11:09.09 | sifi | Guerin, caphuso it's supposed to act in the script which is executed by x |
| 11:09.14 | SimonRaven | oh, ok |
| 11:09.14 | ZiX | i'm going to do some more techniques which will make RM confused |
| 11:09.18 | Eclipser | ales, *slur* |
| 11:09.31 | Guerin | !wayttd sifi |
| 11:09.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sifi? |
| 11:09.39 | Guerin | ales: so you say. |
| 11:09.46 | SimonRaven | do something dumb |
| 11:10.00 | ales | Eclipser: I model for a website. I'll show ya someday. I'm kinda busy trying to finish some math homework. |
| 11:10.03 | peterS | ZiX: you're going far out of your way to do, AFAICT, not much. if you want to hide the files in question just put them somewhere the user won't look |
| 11:10.12 | ales | Guerin: What do you mean? |
| 11:10.13 | ZiX | peterS: i know.. |
| 11:10.18 | ZiX | peterS: but it's just fun to make such a thing |
| 11:10.28 | SimonRaven | ales: there's lots of different kinds of models... |
| 11:10.30 | Guerin | ales: this website? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/17/27 |
| 11:10.30 | sifi | Guerin, 1. x@debian:/x1$ wget http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/support.html 2. x@debian:/x1$ chown root support.html |
| 11:10.33 | peterS | ZiX: mkimmor 'rf *' |
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| 11:10.42 | ZiX | to make a file which can't be modified easily and is hidden inside a restricted directory you can get into by logging into root and typing ./secret_dir_unseal |
| 11:10.44 | Eclipser | ales, for some reason I have my doubts but I'm not really interested :p |
| 11:10.45 | ZiX | xD |
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| 11:10.48 | pumpkin0 | hellfire: yes, samba is limited to 4 (maybe 2?) GB. |
| 11:10.49 | Guerin | sifi: why do you want it to be owned by root? |
| 11:10.49 | ZiX | peterS: ... yea |
| 11:10.57 | ZiX | peterS: i didn't think of that xD |
| 11:11.01 | ZiX | BUT |
| 11:11.03 | sifi | Guerin, just because |
| 11:11.04 | ZiX | you lose. |
| 11:11.07 | ales | SimonRaven: Yes there are, nevertheless I am one. |
| 11:11.09 | Guerin | sifi: no, that's not a reason. |
| 11:11.19 | ales | Guerin: Sorry no time right now. |
| 11:11.24 | sifi | Guerin, x download a ISO file, and I want only root to access it |
| 11:11.28 | ales | Eclipser: You're entitled to it, so okay. |
| 11:11.35 | ZiX | you see... |
| 11:11.37 | Guerin | sifi: then why is x allowed to download it? |
| 11:11.42 | Guerin | sifi: that's stupid. |
| 11:11.43 | ZiX | rmimmor DOESN'T use RM |
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| 11:11.46 | mansu | i have to install a package called openexrc2a, but it is uninstalling all the kde packages, the last time i had a similar problem, i just did apt-get install kde, which upgraded the lib and kde as well, now i cannot do that as it says (apt-get install kde)kde is in its latest version.. how can i upgrade the package.. without affecting kde? |
| 11:11.52 | Guerin | ales: fair. |
| 11:11.58 | Sasuke | okay, quick question: I've been somewhat succesful setting up Samba, except I cannot write to one of my shares. I have a partition pointed to /data and i shared it, config'd it, but i can't write to it over network. any ideas? |
| 11:11.59 | ZiX | peterS: but err.. |
| 11:12.04 | ZiX | peterS: now i see it correctly |
| 11:12.04 | peterS | sifi: the problem here would be that user x is then allowed to fill up your whole disk, overwrite arbitrary files, etc. |
| 11:12.09 | ZiX | peterS: that's kinda smart! O_O |
| 11:12.11 | sifi | Guerin, why not? it should be more secure then download it with root? |
| 11:12.23 | SimonRaven | ales: it was more for the guys' benefit here, than you :) |
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| 11:12.40 | Guerin | sifi: there's no reason to do so, and several good reasons not to. |
| 11:12.42 | SimonRaven | being a guy, i know them... |
| 11:12.42 | dannyr | hi - I have done (as suggested )installed also and ran alsa-conf - and got a message "no module by that name found" - my sound is a VIA VT82... on board chipset - alsa appeared to poke pci slots for a card , is this true? |
| 11:12.45 | ales | SimonRaven: Thnaks, i think. |
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| 11:13.03 | ZiX | zix@Tiger:~/programs/testdir$ rm "-rf *" |
| 11:13.03 | ZiX | rm: invalid option -- |
| 11:13.03 | ZiX | Try `rm --help' for more information. |
| 11:13.09 | Guerin | !paster ZiX |
| 11:13.10 | dpkg | ZiX: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 11:13.15 | sifi | peterS, Guerin so scripts which is using wget, Jigdo etc should be executed by the superuser? |
| 11:13.16 | ZiX | okay sorry xD |
| 11:13.22 | peterS | Sasuke: you're more likely to get help in #samba as this probably isn't debian-specific. however, as a start, examine your /var/log/samba/log.smb |
| 11:13.28 | Guerin | sifi: NEVER use wget as super user |
| 11:13.31 | Guerin | sifi: EVER |
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| 11:13.37 | Guerin | sifi: have I made this clear? |
| 11:13.37 | SimonRaven | EVER EVER |
| 11:13.42 | ZiX | Guerin: what's wrong with that? |
| 11:13.47 | sifi | Guerin, exactly, x do it |
| 11:13.49 | Guerin | ZiX: /msg dpkg flood |
| 11:13.56 | ZiX | Guerin: no, i mean wget as su |
| 11:13.59 | sifi | Guerin, so it's not stupid |
| 11:14.02 | Guerin | sifi: so there's no need to have them be owned by root. |
| 11:14.08 | Guerin | sifi: yes, it IS stupid. |
| 11:14.17 | Sasuke | peterS: okay |
| 11:14.23 | SimonRaven | 1) there's no need to 2) there could be exploits / bugs on either end |
| 11:14.27 | Guerin | ZiX: if wget has an undocumented vulnerability, the exploiter gets roiot, not user. |
| 11:14.28 | ZiX | Guerin: apt-get uses wget, emerge in gentoo uses wget.. |
| 11:14.38 | sifi | Guerin, the debian iso should be owned by somebody else but root? |
| 11:14.43 | caphuso | ZiX: apt-get does not use wget |
| 11:14.43 | SimonRaven | apt-get doesn't use wget |
| 11:14.49 | ZiX | okay |
| 11:14.49 | ZiX | xD |
| 11:14.59 | Guerin | sifi: sure. Don't matter who it's owned by, nobody can mount it without root. |
| 11:15.09 | ZiX | imma make my own downloader prog |
| 11:15.14 | Guerin | ZiX: can't comment on gentoo. |
| 11:15.19 | ZiX | Guerin: :p |
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| 11:15.41 | sifi | Guerin, It anyway feels better if all isos is owned by root by some stupid reason |
| 11:15.52 | Guerin | sifi: ok, so you now realise it's stupid. |
| 11:15.57 | Guerin | we're making progress. |
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| 11:16.09 | sifi | Guerin, maybe it is |
| 11:16.11 | SimonRaven | if you're so worried about that chmod 400 the files or something |
| 11:16.19 | peterS | SlayerXP: there y'are. get the happy birthday ping the other day? and did you have one? |
| 11:16.32 | SlayerXP | peterS: I didn't, and I did. thankyou :) |
| 11:16.43 | sifi | Guerin, but why should it be stupid, I mean whats the downside |
| 11:16.49 | Guerin | sifi: 'it feels better' is a good reason to use more lube, buy organic, give change to bums - but not a good reason to lower security on your computer. |
| 11:16.56 | SimonRaven | SlayerXP: HAPPY BIRFDAY :) (belated) |
| 11:17.02 | SlayerXP | tvm |
| 11:17.02 | Guerin | sifi: any unnecessary use of root is a downside. |
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| 11:17.30 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 11:17.36 | sifi | Guerin, in that point of view |
| 11:17.37 | YogSothoth | Im wanting to setup a Ramdisk on my web server. But when I use: /sbin/mkfs -t ext2 /dev/ram0 ... it says: mkfs.ext2: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 11:17.42 | Guerin | !:E |
| 11:17.42 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 11:17.44 | YogSothoth | why ? /dev/ram0 exists |
| 11:18.33 | sifi | Is it a bad idea to use a RAMdisk for the DocumenRoot in Apache? |
| 11:18.41 | Guerin | sifi: why would you? |
| 11:18.53 | Guerin | sifi: apache will cache what it needs to cache. |
| 11:19.01 | peterS | sifi: these days, with modern kernels, a ramfs is much simpler and better than a ramdisk. if you feel the need for either one, that is. |
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| 11:22.10 | SimonRaven | oh great, dumbass flood |
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| 11:22.23 | SimonRaven | @debhelper++ |
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| 11:23.12 | Eclipser | hehe |
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| 11:23.50 | YogSothoth | peterS: ramfs ? |
| 11:23.50 | YogSothoth | sifi: why bad idea ? |
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| 11:24.25 | YogSothoth | RamFS cool ! http://plume.bxlug.be/articles/7 |
| 11:24.30 | peterS | YogSothoth: 'mount -t ramfs none /foo' - it uses memory and swap and always uses exactly as much as it needs |
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| 11:24.49 | YogSothoth | peterS: yeah thanx! |
| 11:24.54 | sifi | is there some way to view documents that was not saved in a blufish (it has crashed)? |
| 11:25.03 | peterS | YogSothoth: a ramdisk, by contrast, needs to be set up, then formatted with some filesystem, *then* mounted. it's less efficient, memory-wise, and it always takes up a fixed amount of RAM no matter how much or little you store in it |
| 11:25.06 | sifi | s/blufish/bluefish/ |
| 11:25.28 | YogSothoth | mount -t ramfs none /mnt/ramfs |
| 11:25.28 | YogSothoth | mount: mount point /mnt/ramfs does not exist |
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| 11:25.42 | peterS | YogSothoth: right, as with any mount, you have to 'mkdir' the target directory first |
| 11:25.49 | YogSothoth | okay :) |
| 11:26.38 | sifi | peterS, documents that is not saved is permanently lost if bluefish crash? |
| 11:26.50 | peterS | sifi: I expect so. I have never used bluefish. |
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| 11:27.02 | sifi | peterS, Emacs? |
| 11:27.12 | peterS | mainly xemacs, occasionally vi |
| 11:27.14 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:27.16 | Guerin | bluefish |
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| 11:27.34 | YogSothoth | peterS: why do I don't see the newly created /mnt/ramfs in "df -h" or "fdisk -l" ? |
| 11:28.19 | peterS | YogSothoth: oh hmmm, I think when I said ramfs I meant tmpfs. tmpfs is a bit more sophisticated than ramfs (ramfs can't be swapped, I believe, stuff like that) but it's very similar |
| 11:28.57 | peterS | YogSothoth: it may be that df is filtering out "useless" mounts and counts ramfs as a useless type. or something. 'fdisk' will not show it since it's not on disk |
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| 11:30.25 | tarzeau | who was i discussing with that debian don't run on all Apple G4 and/or G5? |
| 11:30.55 | YogSothoth | peterS: ok I see it with df -ah |
| 11:31.03 | YogSothoth | none ramfs 0 0 0 - /mnt/ramfs |
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| 11:31.37 | YogSothoth | PeterS: I currently have a tmpfs but isn't it on disk instead of ram ? |
| 11:31.38 | YogSothoth | tmpfs tmpfs 500M 4.0K 500M 1% /dev/shm |
| 11:31.40 | dregan | hi |
| 11:31.49 | peterS | YogSothoth: no, it's still in RAM |
| 11:32.12 | peterS | YogSothoth: /dev/shm is used by libc6 to implement posix shared memory calls, but it's really a regular tmpfs just like any you could mount anywhere else |
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| 11:32.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:32.35 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:32.40 | YogSothoth | so /dev/shm is actually written in ram ? |
| 11:32.54 | peterS | YogSothoth: yes. and swap, if ram starts to get tight |
| 11:33.12 | YogSothoth | hm ok |
| 11:33.50 | YogSothoth | how can I test it to see if it actually writes on ram ? something like a bench ? |
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| 11:34.55 | peterS | YogSothoth: *sigh*. you have to either believe us that this is what it does, or not believe us. if the effect is as though it were writing to RAM, what is the difference? |
| 11:35.06 | peterS | YogSothoth: and since you didn't specify a disk to mount from, where else do you think the data is going? |
| 11:35.29 | SimonRaven | the ether |
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| 11:37.11 | YogSothoth | peterS: I don't know, I didn't mount /dev/shm by myself. The system does it on startup by itself. It contains only a network/ directory |
| 11:37.41 | peterS | YogSothoth: you may feel free to ignore it and mount your own tmpfs following the instructions I gave you |
| 11:37.55 | peterS | YogSothoth: or you can just sit there like a lump on a log and not try anything and ask what would happen if you did |
| 11:38.44 | YogSothoth | 'mount -t tmpfs none /foo' ? |
| 11:38.54 | peterS | that's it |
| 11:39.11 | peterS | or, if you *really* run out of other ideas, you could read 'man 8 mount' |
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| 11:39.35 | Guerin | http://www.duke.edu/web/DRAGO/humor/coc-songs.html # \m/ |
| 11:39.43 | YogSothoth | don't be arsh I try everything :-) but i like to understand what i do, and i'm newby so it's a bit long for me to get all this things mounted in my /dev/mind |
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| 11:41.35 | YogSothoth | Guerin: http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/books/necro_proj/n_yogsothoth.html |
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| 11:42.10 | Guerin | YogSothoth: does it work"? |
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| 11:42.54 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:42.54 | dpkg | <galois> bethe: mutt? <bethe> bitch! |
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| 11:43.21 | sifi | where can I read about "rules" for root. never execute wget as root for example? |
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| 11:43.42 | Guerin | my contribution to lovecraftia is at http://feayn.org/~lewis/thefoulestfruit.txt |
| 11:43.48 | tarzeau | sifi: don't be root if you can do it as user |
| 11:43.53 | Guerin | and it's actually a true story |
| 11:44.01 | YogSothoth | Guerin: Yeah |
| 11:44.10 | Guerin | sifi: never do anything as root you can do as any other user. |
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| 11:44.24 | seeeS | guerin: hp lovecraft? |
| 11:44.44 | Guerin | sifi: and the other one is, if you are doing stuff as root which could prevent you from logging in, TEST your changes before logging out of your root shell |
| 11:44.54 | Guerin | seeeS: no, the other lovecraft |
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| 11:45.29 | seeeS | aw, and here i was thinking you were a cthulu agent |
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| 11:45.44 | sifi | Guerin, ok, is there something more important root has to think of or is that it? |
| 11:46.07 | YogSothoth | Guerin: gonna eat your page this evening afterwork |
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| 11:46.22 | sifi | Guerin, I want to write secure bash, so these rules is really god to go after |
| 11:46.24 | Guerin | sifi: huh? |
| 11:46.24 | jeph | g'day all, how does one change the default tty x uses (i want to use tty9 not tty7)? |
| 11:46.34 | Guerin | !unix lessons |
| 11:46.34 | dpkg | unix lessons is, like, (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 11:46.49 | Guerin | !tenets |
| 11:46.53 | Guerin | !unix tenets |
| 11:46.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:47.00 | Guerin | there's another one as well |
| 11:47.16 | bbrazil | !listkeys unix |
| 11:47.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'unix' by key returned no results. |
| 11:47.35 | seeeS | well, after spending the day trying to get an xp laptop working (no boot) i can say id rather screw something up in unix any day |
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| 11:47.48 | ales | dpkg: Dito! |
| 11:47.49 | sifi | Guerin, thx |
| 11:48.00 | Guerin | !unix philosophy |
| 11:48.01 | dpkg | somebody said unix philosophy was http://www.scarynetworkguy.net |
| 11:48.09 | ales | Guerin: Cheers! |
| 11:48.09 | Guerin | ythar she blows |
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| 11:48.25 | Guerin | ales: I'll cheers anyone with 'ale' in their name! |
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| 11:49.00 | peterS | /nick stale_nfs_handle |
| 11:49.03 | peterS | cheers |
| 11:49.07 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:49.16 | FatFreddy | Hi, Ive got a problem with Shorewall and Debian, i cant get ssh to work |
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| 11:49.36 | Guerin | FatFreddy: shorewall is just iptables |
| 11:49.43 | sifi | FatFreddy, dont use shorewall, use iptables as it is |
| 11:49.47 | Guerin | FatFreddy: suggest you read the doc |
| 11:50.10 | FatFreddy | Ive tried every HowTo but nothing work |
| 11:50.14 | vovka__ | help me with mysql 8-) |
| 11:50.16 | Guerin | FatFreddy: so don't use it |
| 11:50.25 | ssm | Guerin: Shorewall is a bit more than iptables |
| 11:50.53 | Guerin | is it not just iptables linked together with sh? |
| 11:51.02 | Guerin | ssm: the business end is certainly just iptables |
| 11:51.07 | sifi | FatFreddy, you learn a lot more about writing the rules through writing them yourself, http://netfilter.org/ |
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| 11:51.21 | FatFreddy | Im using Webmin but the rules dont work |
| 11:51.44 | Guerin | FatFreddy: don't use webmin |
| 11:51.47 | Guerin | for anything, ever |
| 11:51.55 | FatFreddy | Ive tried writing it myself but doesnt work either |
| 11:52.08 | Guerin | even the debian webmin maintainer has given up supporting it |
| 11:52.16 | seeeS | heh |
| 11:52.20 | Guerin | FatFreddy: use firehol |
| 11:52.31 | seeeS | as long as you are organised, scripts are the best way |
| 11:52.32 | Guerin | FatFreddy: remove webmin and shorewall; apt-get install firehol |
| 11:52.36 | FatFreddy | Whats firehol? |
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| 11:52.47 | MyWay | Hi. |
| 11:53.05 | Guerin | FatFreddy: apt-cache show firehol |
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| 11:53.10 | MyWay | I have a simple question: how can i listen the radio on LinuX? |
| 11:53.16 | ssm | Guerin: even the tunnelling? |
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| 11:53.23 | liran | try to install abiword result in: abiword: Depends: libenchant1c2 but it is not installable |
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| 11:53.25 | ssm | Guerin: and the ToS? |
| 11:53.37 | ssm | well, on second thought, tos may be it |
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| 11:54.21 | seeeS | myway: yes |
| 11:54.21 | Guerin | ssm: nah, I don't know it very well. |
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| 11:54.31 | seeeS | liran: what happens if you try to install that package? |
| 11:54.41 | MyWay | seeeS: Wich program do i need for listen a radio OnLine? |
| 11:54.53 | Guerin | MyWay: do you mean real radio, or internet radio? |
| 11:55.01 | MyWay | internet radio Guerin |
| 11:55.04 | ssm | Guerin: I see |
| 11:55.12 | Guerin | MyWay: any media player which can play the format |
| 11:55.24 | Guerin | MyWay: xmms or whatever you like |
| 11:55.30 | MyWay | i have xmms |
| 11:55.38 | MyWay | but don't know how to start it for listen the radio |
| 11:56.36 | Guerin | MyWay: your internet radio station should give you a link to a .pls or a .m3u file, which you can open in xmms |
| 11:56.37 | MyWay | Can't see the option play an url or some like that |
| 11:56.48 | MyWay | it's .aspx Guerin |
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| 11:57.09 | Guerin | MyWay: no idea then. |
| 11:57.13 | MyWay | ok :( |
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| 11:57.18 | Guerin | MyWay: it's probably just a text file with a url in |
| 11:57.35 | MyWay | hm on windows i open it with internet explorer and it start |
| 11:57.38 | MyWay | ut not there :( |
| 11:57.41 | Guerin | MyWay: in any case, you'll need some input plugin which will let xmms play wma or whatever braindead windows format it is |
| 11:57.44 | MyWay | or just opera |
| 11:57.49 | Guerin | MyWay: blame microsoft for that. |
| 11:57.55 | MyWay | ahah |
| 11:57.56 | mansu | i have to install a package called openexrc2a, but it is uninstalling all the kde packages, the last time i had a similar problem, i just did apt-get install kde, which upgraded the lib and kde as well, now i cannot do that as it says (apt-get install kde)kde is in its latest version.. how can i upgrade the package.. without affecting kde? |
| 11:58.05 | MyWay | Guerin: can i show you the url, or it's spam? |
| 11:58.06 | mansu | any kde maintainers around? |
| 11:58.14 | Guerin | MyWay: won't make any difference. |
| 11:58.26 | MyWay | yes it will, you will understand, i'm sure :P |
| 11:58.41 | Guerin | mansu: debian-kde mailing list for debian's kde maintainers; #kde or #debian-kde might work for irc |
| 11:58.52 | Guerin | MyWay: apt-cache search wma |
| 11:58.53 | MyWay | http://www.radiomarte.it/Listen.aspx# check it please. |
| 11:58.53 | seeeS | mansu, that is usually because kde and openexrc2a need the same libraries, but different versions |
| 11:59.10 | Guerin | MyWay: install the xmms wma plugin, restart xmms and try again |
| 11:59.16 | MyWay | ok |
| 11:59.18 | andyetitmoves | hi! is it possible to use the O= option of the kernel makefile (separate output dir) with make-kpkg? when I tried to do it, kernel_version.mk tried to include the Makefile in the output dir (which is a wrapper to the source Makefile with a %:: implicit rule) and as a result, all the targets in kernel_version.mk were getting redirected to the kernel Makefile |
| 11:59.30 | MyWay | but i think it's not needed a media player |
| 11:59.40 | MyWay | but my english is not good for explain it hm |
| 11:59.44 | MyWay | it's like |
| 11:59.47 | Guerin | MyWay: oh, you're probably out of luck. |
| 11:59.49 | MyWay | a radio in the page |
| 11:59.53 | nukeu666 | during debian install...what the GID of the non-root user creted by default? |
| 11:59.59 | petemc | 1000 |
| 12:00.01 | petemc | i think |
| 12:00.02 | mansu | seeeS:is there a remedy? |
| 12:00.03 | MyWay | a player in the internet page |
| 12:00.04 | Guerin | MyWay: complain to the radio station for making their braindead program broken and shit. |
| 12:00.12 | seeeS | myway: it works for me |
| 12:00.17 | MyWay | ok |
| 12:00.19 | seeeS | myway: i have no idea what they are signing |
| 12:00.21 | MyWay | seeeS: how? |
| 12:00.21 | MyWay | :O |
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| 12:00.29 | MyWay | eheh i know |
| 12:00.44 | MyWay | how you listen it seeeS? |
| 12:01.03 | Guerin | doesn't work for me |
| 12:01.08 | MyWay | :P |
| 12:01.11 | MyWay | one yes and one no |
| 12:01.12 | MyWay | :P |
| 12:01.12 | Guerin | but i don't have flash installed |
| 12:01.19 | MyWay | ah it's flash? |
| 12:01.26 | Guerin | no idea |
| 12:01.29 | MyWay | :P |
| 12:01.39 | MyWay | seeeS: have you some idea about it? |
| 12:01.44 | muerd | hy |
| 12:01.45 | Guerin | MyWay: in any case, ask the readio station to be less crap |
| 12:01.45 | seeeS | go to that site, click on the play button |
| 12:02.05 | muerd | where i can find the multimewdia kernel?? |
| 12:02.08 | seeeS | yes, the html source is evil |
| 12:02.12 | Guerin | or listen to a good radio station like http://radioactive.fm |
| 12:02.25 | sifi | is /tmp/ being flushed on shutdown or boot? |
| 12:02.30 | Guerin | muerd: all debian kernels are multimedia |
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| 12:02.31 | vovka__ | help me with mysql plzzz |
| 12:02.35 | Guerin | sifi: yes |
| 12:02.39 | Guerin | vovka__: #mysql |
| 12:02.40 | vovka__ | wont start! |
| 12:02.41 | stew | sifi: boot, look at /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:02.43 | wykis-x | how do i see how much i had already downloaded in jigdo? |
| 12:02.51 | seeeS | bah, its full of advertising |
| 12:02.51 | Guerin | vovka__: read the error log |
| 12:02.57 | sifi | steri, thanks dude |
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| 12:03.35 | muerd | are the same kernel that demudi or musix |
| 12:03.42 | muerd | with rt ??? |
| 12:03.51 | Guerin | muerd: no, because this is debian, not demudi or musix |
| 12:03.53 | MyWay | Guerin: where can i see all the plugins for xmms? |
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| 12:04.02 | nothingface | hi folks |
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| 12:04.03 | Guerin | MyWay: apt-cache search xmms |
| 12:04.04 | seeeS | myway: not sure what did it, i think it might of been mozplugger |
| 12:04.09 | stew | vovka__: try starting mysqld from the command line and see what errors pop out, or define an error log in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 12:04.14 | MyWay | ok |
| 12:04.14 | muerd | now i have the 2.6.14 and i not have rt |
| 12:04.17 | seeeS | or the vlc one |
| 12:04.23 | muerd | but demudi is debian |
| 12:04.36 | Guerin | muerd: is it? |
| 12:04.44 | muerd | debian multimedia distribution |
| 12:04.51 | muerd | yes |
| 12:04.51 | Guerin | muerd: then how come it called demudi and not called debian? |
| 12:05.01 | vovka__ | haaa! |
| 12:05.03 | seeeS | demudi is a music related project |
| 12:05.05 | nothingface | does blackbox have antialiasing fonts? |
| 12:05.09 | vovka__ | works! |
| 12:05.10 | vovka__ | 8) |
| 12:05.11 | muerd | its like ubuntuu |
| 12:05.21 | Guerin | muerd: yes. And ubuntu isn't debian either. |
| 12:05.23 | vovka__ | Guerin, there was a real good advice 8-)) |
| 12:05.27 | vovka__ | thanx |
| 12:05.40 | MyWay | why when i press ctrl+<- it change window -_- |
| 12:05.52 | wykis-x | ~tell me -about yourself |
| 12:06.06 | wykis-x | [infobot] |
| 12:06.07 | nothingface | where can i find a program for setting the background image?? |
| 12:06.11 | muerd | i thougth were debian |
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| 12:06.16 | nukeu666 | help...i cant seem to be able to change group owner of a file with "chgrp <gruopname> <file>" |
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| 12:06.23 | muerd | but demudi is baseds on deb |
| 12:06.29 | wykis-x | ~tell me -about php |
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| 12:06.32 | wykis-x | ~tell me -about debian |
| 12:06.34 | Guerin | !debian based |
| 12:06.34 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 12:06.44 | Guerin | wykis-x: message the bots, svp |
| 12:06.47 | nothingface | like wmsetbg. obviously, I don't want to install wmaker only to change background X wallpapers... |
| 12:06.54 | muerd | Guerin: take a look http://www.agnula.org/download/ |
| 12:06.55 | Guerin | nothingface: feh |
| 12:06.56 | wykis-x | <apt> i dunno what is 'debian'. << SO why do you sit hre :D |
| 12:07.05 | Guerin | muerd: you know what? I don't need to. |
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| 12:07.36 | sifi | is it dangerous to have chmod 700 scripts published on a webserver? |
| 12:07.51 | Guerin | sifi: no. |
| 12:08.02 | nothingface | Guerin ntx |
| 12:08.02 | nothingface | tnx |
| 12:08.03 | Guerin | sifi: contingent on the script, of course. |
| 12:08.04 | nothingface | :) |
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| 12:09.23 | sifi | Guerin, If the script formats partitions with shred? |
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| 12:10.03 | Guerin | sifi: safe as houses, unless the web server runs as root, and the script is owned by root. |
| 12:10.09 | Guerin | in which case nothing is safe |
| 12:10.30 | wykis-x | dpkg is cool ;D |
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| 12:11.23 | nukeu666 | i cant change group ownership using chgrp <grname> <filename>...help |
| 12:11.25 | wykis-x | where can i find php? |
| 12:11.33 | Guerin | wykis-x: php.org |
| 12:11.38 | wykis-x | .net :P |
| 12:11.38 | wykis-x | :D |
| 12:11.39 | MyWay | who play the asx files? |
| 12:11.42 | sifi | Guerin, but in that case the hacker could execute a script he can also chmod 700 (if its eg 500) it so it really does not matter |
| 12:11.59 | Guerin | sifi: yes. |
| 12:12.12 | T4P | hey guys is there a way to get kde 3.5 on debian sarge? |
| 12:12.20 | wykis-x | Myon on Windows, it's Windows Media Player |
| 12:12.24 | wykis-x | asx file is a playlist file |
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| 12:12.30 | seeeS | myway: i think you need the vlc plugin |
| 12:12.32 | nukeu666 | i thought kde 3.3 was the latest? |
| 12:12.37 | caphuso | if it's a script, then "interpreter scriptname" will work just fine, independant of any executable bit set |
| 12:12.38 | T4P | no |
| 12:12.46 | T4P | 3.5 is the newest |
| 12:12.53 | Guerin | muerd: an asx file is a plain text file with a url in it |
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| 12:13.06 | Guerin | MyWay: so what you want to know is who can play the url inside |
| 12:13.06 | nukeu666 | ooo...havent tried unstable in a while |
| 12:13.11 | Guerin | MyWay: which ddepends on the url |
| 12:13.14 | muerd | what??? |
| 12:13.30 | MyWay | i need play .asx Guerin and the radio in the aspx# |
| 12:13.30 | Guerin | muerd: sorry, wrong person. |
| 12:13.41 | MyWay | it's another internet radio |
| 12:13.43 | Guerin | MyWay: an asx file is a plain text file with a url in it |
| 12:13.49 | MyWay | ah |
| 12:13.58 | MyWay | hm |
| 12:13.58 | Guerin | or several urls |
| 12:14.03 | Guerin | uris, actually |
| 12:14.09 | Guerin | but let's not get technical |
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| 12:14.47 | MyWay | how for install the vlc seeeS? |
| 12:14.53 | sifi | Guerin, should a non superuser based script allways chmod 500 it self and then exec? |
| 12:15.13 | sifi | Guerin, so users can't rewrite and then execute the script |
| 12:15.20 | Guerin | sifi: no. |
| 12:15.33 | Guerin | sifi: the admin should make sure that's done when the script is installed |
| 12:15.40 | seeeS | myway: mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 12:15.51 | sifi | Guerin, ok |
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| 12:17.39 | sifi | Guerin, how do I prevent a user from chmod 700 a file? I want the user to own a script but not being able to modify it |
| 12:17.50 | blondie | you can't |
| 12:17.51 | Guerin | sifi: no can do. |
| 12:18.02 | Guerin | sifi: why? |
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| 12:18.13 | YogSothoth | peterS: just tested the write speed with a php script that writes a 12mb text file : 13 sec to write in /tmp, and 4 sec to write in /mnt/tmpfs and /dev/shm so ... yes it writes in ram! Thanks PeterS ;-) |
| 12:18.17 | Guerin | i mean, you could do some ACL voodoo |
| 12:18.22 | Guerin | but I ain't touching that |
| 12:18.27 | sifi | Guerin, so root has to run the script using sudo in it to use wget for example (by security) |
| 12:18.55 | Guerin | sifi: WTF |
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| 12:19.05 | Guerin | sifi: sorry, I've tried being subtle. |
| 12:19.09 | yang | I am having troubles with my MP3 player, it seems that it doesnt want to play filenames such as "09 Grabmusik KV 42-Felsen, spaltet euren Rachen.mp3", I created Joliet filesystem, but do I have to remove ", - " from the filenames in order to play? |
| 12:19.11 | Guerin | sifi: YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT |
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| 12:19.19 | Guerin | !security through obscurity |
| 12:19.20 | dpkg | Ok, if you're wanting to hide /proc from a user, or chroot a user, disable su for a user, or otherwise fool a user into thinking he's not capable of doing anything , you're the fool. Hiding things from users normally provides no material security benefit, and causes massive headaches for those who actually use the machine in question. Ask me about <chroot ssh>, <hide ps> and <disable su> |
| 12:19.45 | sifi | Guerin, so how am I using wget in a script the secure way? |
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| 12:20.02 | Guerin | sifi: install harden-doc. Read info coreutils {chmod,chown}. |
| 12:20.27 | Guerin | sifi: since I don't know what the script is, who owns it, what it does, or how it's supposed to be installed, I can't tell you. |
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| 12:21.53 | sifi | Guerin, the script contains: wget ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-*-*-binary-1.iso it is owned by x and I don't want x to being able to edit the script |
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| 12:21.57 | wykis-x | yang : you should only have FAT FileSystem on your MP3 Player! |
| 12:22.05 | Guerin | sifi: BUT WHY? |
| 12:22.08 | wykis-x | if it is specified in manual, use it |
| 12:22.17 | yang | wykis-x: how do i make that with mkisofs? |
| 12:22.18 | sifi | Guerin, because root should never use wget |
| 12:22.20 | Guerin | sifi: just let the damn user own the iso! |
| 12:22.37 | koudelka_ | how to share an pppoe connection? i got a my modem and my computers connected to a switch and loged in to my pppoe connection on this comp but how do i share it to the other comps? |
| 12:22.43 | wykis-x | i am not sure, you need to format it as FAT ( all your files will be gone, backup first ) |
| 12:22.49 | wykis-x | im not good in unix |
| 12:23.05 | sifi | Guerin, yes thats all right, but the user can modify the script and make a hell |
| 12:23.06 | Guerin | yang: mkfs.vfat |
| 12:23.14 | wykis-x | guys how do you format a drive as fat ? |
| 12:23.44 | wykis-x | yang do you have mp3 players manual? |
| 12:23.48 | yang | Guerin: for making mp3 songs with mkisofs , i need mkfs.vfat? |
| 12:23.50 | Guerin | sifi: the user could just type wget http://pwn3d.net/mywinner.sh anyway |
| 12:23.53 | yang | wykis-x: ya |
| 12:23.59 | wykis-x | look at it |
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| 12:24.07 | wykis-x | you should find the compatible file systems |
| 12:24.24 | nixie | sifi: most webhacks are executed by grabbing remote scripts and execute those as the user the webserver is running on. |
| 12:24.31 | nixie | sifi: if not all. |
| 12:24.31 | sifi | Guerin, the script contains a lot more then that, this was the sensetive part |
| 12:24.32 | Guerin | yang: mp3 cd, or what? |
| 12:24.34 | yang | Guerin: it plays the files i make preety well, but i guess ", !" should not be in filenames |
| 12:24.39 | Guerin | sifi: it's irrelevant |
| 12:24.54 | Guerin | sifi: what you're too stupid to understand is that anything the script can do, the user can do manually. |
| 12:24.57 | caphuso | why the heck would you want to have root own a iso file? |
| 12:24.58 | Guerin | sifi: and undo. |
| 12:25.11 | sifi | Guerin, true |
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| 12:25.28 | sifi | Guerin, I'm mixing up here =) |
| 12:25.42 | sifi | Guerin, but you are all right in what you just said |
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| 12:26.17 | caphuso | (thinking in terms of downloaded debian isos, not backups of /etc of course) |
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| 12:27.11 | Guerin | iso9660 is about as harmless as it gets |
| 12:27.18 | yang | I am having troubles with my MP3 player, it seems that it doesnt want to play filenames such as "09 Grabmusik KV 42-Felsen, spaltet euren Rachen.mp3", I created Joliet filesystem, but do I have to remove ", - " from the filenames in order to play? |
| 12:27.39 | Guerin | it can't be made executable; it can't be modified in any simple manner; it can't be booted unless you use a virtual machine or burn it to cd ... |
| 12:27.40 | YogSothoth | Pardon if this is stupid but : ram is like 1000 times speedier to access/write data than a hard disk (66 MB/s vs 3 GB/s for DDR) ... so why my file is written only 3 times faster in /dev/shm than in /tmp (4s vs 13s) ? |
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| 12:27.58 | koudelka_ | is it realy necessary to make a script to gateway a pppoe connection on debian? |
| 12:28.09 | valdyn | yang: we dont know your mp3 player |
| 12:28.20 | Guerin | YogSothoth: consider the mathematical concept of 'asymptote' |
| 12:28.22 | valdyn | koudelka_: no |
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| 12:28.37 | koudelka_ | valdyn, what to configure then? |
| 12:28.39 | valdyn | koudelka_: makeing a script for that is the easy hack |
| 12:28.46 | yang | valdyn: can i add some options in mkisofs to "kill" those , ! characters in filenames? |
| 12:29.02 | Guerin | nixie: a thing can only tend so far towards 0 |
| 12:29.15 | koudelka_ | never done a script so its not easy for me >< |
| 12:29.20 | bbrazil | YogSothoth: caching |
| 12:29.20 | valdyn | koudelka_: apt-cache show firestarter |
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| 12:29.31 | nixie | ah. i always sucked at math. mostly because it bored me.:) |
| 12:29.50 | valdyn | koudelka_: or kmyfirewall |
| 12:29.51 | YogSothoth | Guerin: do you mean that the more the file I write is big, the more I will see the difference ? |
| 12:29.52 | Guerin | nixie: me too, but I did walk away with a few concepts which continue to serve me. |
| 12:29.59 | nixie | or maybe i started sucking at it after getting bored with it |
| 12:30.10 | nixie | i dont exactly recall;) |
| 12:30.17 | Guerin | YogSothoth: perhaps ... but the core is 'a write can only get so fast' |
| 12:30.23 | valdyn | koudelka_: or apt-cache search kde firewall |
| 12:30.37 | Guerin | god |
| 12:30.43 | Guerin | why would you trust a kde firewall? |
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| 12:31.04 | valdyn | Guerin: he doesnt want to protect anything |
| 12:31.11 | valdyn | Guerin: he just wants NAT |
| 12:31.15 | caphuso | ipmasq |
| 12:31.22 | yang | valdyn: ? |
| 12:31.28 | Guerin | apt-get install ipmasq ; done |
| 12:31.29 | valdyn | yang: i dont know |
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| 12:31.37 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 12:31.37 | koudelka_ | valdyn, i got firestarter |
| 12:31.37 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
| 12:31.56 | Guerin | wtf |
| 12:32.00 | YogSothoth | bbrazil: what you mean by caching ? |
| 12:32.05 | nixie | "dont mix the slink ipmasq deb"? :) |
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| 12:32.22 | bbrazil | YogSothoth: when you're wirting to /tmp, it'll really put it it RAM and write it out a bit later |
| 12:32.22 | ZiX | hi again people |
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| 12:32.39 | Guerin | dpkg, no, ipmasq is <reply> If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html |
| 12:32.40 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 12:33.20 | koudelka_ | valdyn, THX! |
| 12:33.45 | fireba11 | !thx |
| 12:33.45 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
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| 12:35.18 | pawdro | hi, how to patch sarge using linux-patch-debian-2.6.14 |
| 12:35.18 | pawdro | ? |
| 12:35.33 | pawdro | after dpkg -i nothing changes |
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| 12:36.32 | azeem | pawdro: you need to compile your kernel against that to have any effect |
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| 12:36.46 | azeem | pawdro: what exactly are you trying to doß? |
| 12:36.55 | Guerin | dpkg, no, ipmasq is <reply> If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 12:36.55 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 12:37.01 | pawdro | im trying to patch kernel to 2.6.14 |
| 12:37.02 | Guerin | stupid dead linksies |
| 12:37.15 | pawdro | so i downloaded linux-patch-debian-2.6.14 |
| 12:37.23 | pawdro | and dpkg it |
| 12:37.38 | azeem | pawdro: when you patch something, you need to compile it afterwards |
| 12:37.49 | valdyn | pawdro: you got this completely wrong |
| 12:37.49 | pawdro | yhm |
| 12:37.50 | Guerin | azeem: doß? is that like a new version of dos? |
| 12:37.51 | pawdro | i c |
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| 12:38.07 | blondie | pawdro: "c" is not a word |
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| 12:38.13 | pawdro | i see |
| 12:38.17 | pawdro | sorry |
| 12:38.30 | azeem | pawdro: anyway, downloading and installing that package will result in your patches getting put somewhere under /usr/src in order to get used I think |
| 12:38.35 | valdyn | pawdro: and that patch package does not patch a kernel to 2.6.14 but 2.6.14 to debians 2.6.14 |
| 12:39.03 | pawdro | ok |
| 12:39.06 | pawdro | i get it |
| 12:39.17 | pawdro | so how should i do it properly |
| 12:39.23 | fireba11 | valdyn how to i add a factoid to dpkg ? if i use xxx is it sounds stupid .. ^^ |
| 12:39.41 | nukeu666 | why dont you install the whole kernel instead of patchign it? |
| 12:39.51 | nukeu666 | no compiling needed then |
| 12:39.54 | nothingface | i've a problem with fonts. I don't want to install a font server, so I'm trying to solve it by hand. The fact is that fonts loaded by gtk-1.2 are so small and ugly. does anyone know what conffile I must edit to solve that? |
| 12:39.59 | valdyn | fireba11: dpkg, xxx is stupid |
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| 12:40.15 | pawdro | ok |
| 12:40.17 | pawdro | ill do it |
| 12:40.35 | valdyn | pawdro: best is not to do it at all |
| 12:40.50 | fireba11 | valdyn: then dpkg relies like "xxx is like ...." but the !thx i used bevore didn't give the "xxx is" .. |
| 12:40.54 | nukeu666 | upgrade the kernel only is u REALLY need it |
| 12:41.05 | pawdro | valdyn: i know, but i have problems with apt |
| 12:41.06 | valdyn | nothingface: first, gtk fonts arent gtk fonts, various gtk apps do it different. |
| 12:41.16 | yang | fireba11: Is there a way to transform all filenames which have , ! characters into MP3 player readable format? |
| 12:41.18 | valdyn | nothingface: so which app is this about? |
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| 12:41.22 | nothingface | xmms |
| 12:41.26 | nukeu666 | pawdro:what problems with apt |
| 12:41.36 | Guerin | !gtk fontsize |
| 12:41.36 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 12:41.43 | valdyn | nothingface: strace -eopen xmms | grep gtkrc |
| 12:41.43 | pawdro | i have to upgrade kernel to 2.6.12 because otherwise i cant fix problems with apt-get -f install |
| 12:42.01 | nothingface | ok |
| 12:42.03 | Guerin | nothingface: try installing gtk-theme-switch and running 'switch' |
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| 12:42.09 | Guerin | if it doesn't work, try above |
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| 12:42.11 | valdyn | nothingface: ops, sorry 'strace -eopen xmms 2>&1 | grep gtkrc |
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| 12:42.24 | _Roey | hi |
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| 12:42.25 | pawdro | something with udev |
| 12:42.34 | nukeu666 | pawdro:does dist-upgrade install new kernel also? |
| 12:42.36 | valdyn | and gtk-theme-switch may work or not for xmms, its a pos anyway |
| 12:42.38 | _Roey | If I have 120 GB worth of space for an LV group, how much space must I make to hold snapshots, 24 GB? Is that too much/little? |
| 12:42.54 | pawdro | i can do anything with apt |
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| 12:43.31 | Guerin | pawdro: can you scratch your nose and rub your tummy? |
| 12:43.42 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 12:44.14 | bbrazil | Roey: depends on how fast your data changes and how long you need the snapshot for |
| 12:45.03 | nukeu666 | so do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 or whtever..no patching needed |
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| 12:45.17 | valdyn | pawdro: i might be jumping ahead of myself, but you best run sarge, and dont mix this with testing / unstable, and reinstall your system |
| 12:45.54 | maltron | i've just pasted an error I got from xmaxima on #flood |
| 12:46.02 | maltron | anyone got any ideas what caused it? |
| 12:46.15 | valdyn | !literal thx |
| 12:46.20 | valdyn | !listkeys thx |
| 12:46.20 | maltron | i've never seen anything like it before |
| 12:46.24 | fireba11 | yang: yes |
| 12:46.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'thx' by key (8): #debian thx ;; /dev/ethx ;; _default kthxbye ;; _default thx ;; thx yr ;; kthxbye ;; thx 10e6 ;; thx! your. |
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| 12:46.40 | nukeu666 | val:i can apt remove 2.4 kernel is my 2.6 is working file right? |
| 12:47.00 | valdyn | !literal _default thx |
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| 12:47.13 | rootnoverify | how to execute a shell command at each startup? |
| 12:47.22 | Guerin | !bootmisc |
| 12:47.22 | dpkg | [bootmisc] where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 12:47.23 | plasmoduck[a] | I keep getting this message when I try to startx |
| 12:47.24 | caphuso | rootnoverify: startup of what? |
| 12:47.25 | plasmoduck[a] | fatal io error 104(connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining |
| 12:47.34 | rootnoverify | caphuso: of X |
| 12:47.45 | valdyn | fireba11: im not sure atm, something like: dpkg, xxx is <reply>stupid. |
| 12:47.49 | caphuso | rootnoverify: add it to your ~/.xession or whatever you use |
| 12:47.54 | rootnoverify | ok |
| 12:48.01 | Roey | bbrazil: well I would take a snapshot right before I back it up. And then I'd get rid of the snapshot. |
| 12:48.09 | fireba11 | valdyn: okay, i'll give it a try |
| 12:48.11 | valdyn | dpkg, xxx is <reply> stupid. |
| 12:48.12 | dpkg | ...but xxx is already something else... |
| 12:48.19 | valdyn | dpkg, no, xxx is <reply> stupid. |
| 12:48.19 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 12:48.24 | valdyn | !xxx |
| 12:48.24 | dpkg | stupid. |
| 12:49.00 | fireba11 | valdyn: you were right, thanks a lot |
| 12:49.01 | bbrazil | Roey: I don't know you situation, but 20% sounds safe. you can always resize the FS later |
| 12:49.12 | fireba11 | !thx |
| 12:49.13 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 12:49.20 | fireba11 | better :-) |
| 12:49.34 | Roey | bbrazil: oh... right, I can set the snapshot up on another volume >in< the LVM group. |
| 12:50.22 | bbrazil | Roey: its not something I've played with, but that sounds vaguely right |
| 12:51.02 | maltron | where is the list of kernel modules that gets loaded every time you boot up? |
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| 12:51.28 | valdyn | maltron: there's no list for that |
| 12:51.39 | Roey | bbrazil: ok |
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| 12:52.08 | valdyn | maltron: if your question was 'where can i add a module to be loaded on boot up?', answer would be /etc/modules |
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| 12:52.38 | maltron | valdyn: that's part of what I'd like to know, yeah |
| 12:52.39 | broadcaster | can i somehow get a screenshot from a running x-session on a remote machine? (i have an ssh session as root) |
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| 12:53.11 | yang | fireba11: how? |
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| 12:53.22 | valdyn | maltron: modules that get loaded even if they are not in /etc/modules either are required by one module in there or are loaded by one of the 'h/w detection' mechanisms |
| 12:53.24 | herkules | hi, another n00b question... jeg downloaded rar for debiam and wanna add that to my path so that I dont have to stand in rar dir to run the proggy... how can I do so? |
| 12:53.33 | broadcaster | or does anybody know where k3b (or cdrecord) puts it's emporary logfile? i would like to see if a dvd got burned successfully and then shutdown my machine |
| 12:53.43 | maltron | valdyn: i see - it's starting to make sense now... |
| 12:53.56 | Guerin | broadcaster: if it shotdown your machine, it completed successfully |
| 12:53.59 | Guerin | shut |
| 12:54.02 | Guerin | not shot |
| 12:54.13 | Guerin | if it shot down your machine then something bad happened |
| 12:54.17 | fireba11 | yang: can't tell you exactly .. my combine-commands-fu is weak :-D |
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| 12:54.23 | nukeu666 | herkules:the unrar program should be in /bin so itll work where ever you are |
| 12:54.45 | herkules | ahh, cool... /usr/local/bin? |
| 12:55.11 | herkules | or just bin in root? |
| 12:55.21 | Guerin | herkules: wherever you installed it |
| 12:55.30 | nukeu666 | in one of bin somewhere |
| 12:55.43 | Guerin | herkules: the debian package should be /usr/bin; other packages should be in /usr/local/bin or /opt/ |
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| 12:56.01 | herkules | super.. thanks... |
| 12:56.24 | broadcaster | Guerin: i didn't find the setting "shut down after success..." in k3b, so the machine is still running. |
| 12:56.34 | nukeu666 | herk:if unrar doesnt work from everywhere...add that bin path to your .bashrc to it can find it everytime |
| 12:56.39 | Guerin | broadcaster: did the drive open? |
| 12:56.59 | maltron | valdyn: so I can modify /etc/modules, but there are a whole bunch of modules that I can choose whether to load or not using a program like modconf, say. Where are those changes recorded? |
| 12:57.01 | broadcaster | Guerin: i don't know, i am not there anymore. i want to shut down remotely... |
| 12:57.10 | herkules | kk :) |
| 12:57.13 | broadcaster | Guerin: but before that i have to know if the md5sums are identical |
| 12:57.28 | broadcaster | Guerin: so i need the logfile or a screenshot of the running x session |
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| 12:57.41 | valdyn | maltron: /etc/modules |
| 12:58.08 | maltron | broadcaster: try xwd - it might be able to do it... I like it anyway |
| 12:58.18 | valdyn | maltron: modconf isnt really used much anymore, same for /etc/modules, only very few 'special' things show up there |
| 12:58.18 | yang | fireba11: My MP3 player gives me data-error...Looks like I must manually remove , ! from the filenames? |
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| 12:58.36 | maltron | valdyn: my /etc/modules file only lists three modules though |
| 12:58.43 | valdyn | maltron: fine |
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| 12:58.58 | odla | how do you scroll between channels with irssi using xterm? |
| 12:58.59 | fireba11 | yang: what bitrates are you using ? most ahrdware players can only play back up to 160 kbit or 192 kbit |
| 12:59.03 | Guerin | broadcaster: oh. No idea, sorry. Try asking #kde. |
| 12:59.04 | maltron | valdyn: but I know I have dozens of them loaded |
| 12:59.20 | valdyn | maltron: sure, thats your h/w detection services |
| 12:59.21 | maltron | valdyn: so if /etc/modules and modconf aren't used, what is used? |
| 12:59.26 | maltron | valdyn: |
| 12:59.31 | fireba11 | yang: also there might be some offensive characters in filenames .. aks about a command that will replace them with soemthing harmless :-) |
| 12:59.34 | broadcaster | i will try xwd, thank you |
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| 12:59.47 | blondie | odla: press Alt+window number |
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| 13:00.15 | valdyn | maltron: hotplug / discover(1) / your kernel |
| 13:00.16 | Guerin | fireba11: there's a sanitisation script in debian someplace, which converts all bad characters to _ or something |
| 13:00.17 | odla | alt makes wierd key symbols |
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| 13:00.23 | yang | fireba11: yes, which command? The bitrates are under 192kbit |
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| 13:01.01 | cahoot | odla: try esc |
| 13:01.07 | maltron | valdyn: i see - so I guess trying to look for more manual control is silly then? I guess the real reason I'm asking is because sometimes you get modules that don't work because they were loaded before a module that they depend on - i.e. the order is important, and sometimes you need to change it |
| 13:01.29 | odla | cahoot: esc doesn't seem to work either |
| 13:01.43 | maltron | valdyn: man hotplug - checking it out |
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| 13:01.49 | valdyn | maltron: module dependencies are in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 13:02.04 | Stereo | hello folks |
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| 13:02.23 | Stereo | is there a way I can visualise my dpkg dependency tree? |
| 13:02.41 | icezimm | hi guys.. |
| 13:02.47 | valdyn | maltron: i need an example for your issue |
| 13:02.53 | fireba11 | yang: guerin said something about a sanitizing script .. don't know details never needed to do something like that |
| 13:02.58 | valdyn | maltron: because that's not supposed to happen |
| 13:03.29 | maltron | valdyn: thanks. |
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| 13:03.45 | yang | fireba11: me neither... |
| 13:03.49 | maltron | valdyn: the issue was with graphics drivers |
| 13:03.55 | valdyn | maltron: which one |
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| 13:04.23 | mesillo | ... qualcuno parla italiano?... Hello! |
| 13:04.25 | icezimm | i have a debian system with lilo 22.6.1, I installed a new kernel, but it doen't load correctly, it hangs on "BIOS Check Data Succesfull", then I upgraded lilo to 22.7.1 but it continous to happen, someone has any ideia how can fix this? |
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| 13:04.58 | valdyn | icezimm: which filesystem is your kernel on? |
| 13:05.07 | icezimm | ext3 |
| 13:05.29 | icezimm | both, the one who works and the other that doesn't load.. |
| 13:05.53 | valdyn | icezimm: i think BIOS Check Data Successful is by your bios, your BIOS seems to hang, not your bootloader |
| 13:06.12 | maltron | valdyn: the radeon driver (open source) and the fglrx driver (ati closed source one) - i was swapping from one to the other - but to be honest I've left that for the time being ( i just thought I'd ask while waiting to see if anyone could solve my xmaxima problem) |
| 13:06.22 | maltron | valdyn: I will be attacking it later, so I might ask again |
| 13:06.35 | sifi | How can I print out the md5sum for debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso from the list at: ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS ? |
| 13:06.36 | maltron | valdyn: but the modules setup has always confused me |
| 13:06.44 | maltron | valdyn: so thanks for clearing that up for me |
| 13:06.51 | valdyn | maltron: welcome |
| 13:07.24 | marc7 | question, can dpkg dole out any advice on which files I need to mirror locally if I'm installing debian over HTTP? |
| 13:07.26 | icezimm | hummmm.. but the debian kernel (2.6.14-051123a) boots ok, no problem, and the other (2.6.14-gentoo) hangs, very strange.. |
| 13:07.32 | marc7 | dpkg, the bot that i. |
| 13:07.35 | marc7 | is |
| 13:07.39 | Guerin | marc7: none of them, really. |
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| 13:08.13 | nukeu666 | is ther any command that shows details about a user like his uid:gid:group name...? |
| 13:08.22 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.23 | marc7 | Guerin: I've got a netboot environment working, but it needs to download the rest of the installer environment, as well as the base system packages. |
| 13:08.32 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 13:08.52 | marc7 | and i've got several servers to do it with, so I'm trying to figure out if I can get a local copy... |
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| 13:09.18 | Guerin | marc7: i know nothing about remote bootstrapping |
| 13:09.22 | Guerin | sorry. |
| 13:09.26 | graciosete | hgkjc |
| 13:09.43 | odla | it's esc + channel number |
| 13:09.54 | marc7 | guerin: no no, the bootstrapping is cool... i think i'm just gonna read up more on starting up my own debian mirror, maybe using something like apt-mirror. |
| 13:10.15 | marc7 | i don't need the whole thing... i'm trying to figure out which packages are specifically necessary |
| 13:10.18 | marc7 | s'coo |
| 13:10.22 | Guerin | nukeu666: grep username /etc/passwd or /etc/group |
| 13:10.41 | Guerin | nukeu666: can use cut and awk to hack bits out or reorder them |
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| 13:12.33 | takatumi | marc7: heard reprepro is good |
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| 13:14.12 | Arnald | drbd0.7-module-source contains no installation instructions - how do I use it? |
| 13:14.15 | marc7 | takatumi: i'll check it out, thanks! |
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| 13:17.06 | Arnald | is there a document describing how to install kernel module sources? |
| 13:18.21 | takatumi | Arnald: install module-assistant and try m-a prepare && m-a a-i drbd0.7-module-source |
| 13:18.44 | Arnald | I have module-assistant, but there are very few instructions there either |
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| 13:19.22 | plasmoduck[a] | I keep getting this message when I try to startx |
| 13:19.22 | plasmoduck[a] | fatal io error 104(connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining |
| 13:19.27 | Roey | must I reboto after I make a new LVM volume group?? |
| 13:19.30 | Roey | katzr@sink2:~$ sudo lvcreate --size 10G --name host main |
| 13:19.31 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.31 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.31 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:19.45 | Roey | Because I get that after I try to create a logical volume on it. |
| 13:19.50 | takatumi | Arnald: instructions for module-assistant? or specifically for drbd0.7? |
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| 13:20.20 | Arnald | takatumi: well, I'd have thought there would be some generic policy behind source packages in general |
| 13:20.52 | Arnald | This is my greatest source of confusion with Debian (and I have been using it for ten years!) |
| 13:21.40 | freespace | hehe, pun! |
| 13:21.44 | gcoppini | plasmoduck[a], try this: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 13:21.51 | Arnald | takatumi: drbd would be helpful! |
| 13:21.55 | plasmoduck[a] | I have |
| 13:22.18 | takatumi | Arnald: http://linux-ha.org/DRBD_2fHowTo_2fInstallDebianPackages07 might help. |
| 13:22.27 | blahdebla1 | Hi folks, can you tell me if there's a way to set up a private (i.e. corporate Intranet) Jabber server that will authenticate against an existing user database via PAM, LDAP, or something similar? |
| 13:22.53 | nukeu666 | plasmo:did u install kde also? did u try reconfiguring x? |
| 13:22.54 | ElllisD | if a repository says its for use with testing/etch, can i add it to the sources.list of a sid-based system and expect it to be ok? |
| 13:22.56 | plasmoduck[a] | gcoppini, I have Xorg |
| 13:23.06 | plasmoduck[a] | anf have dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg about 10 times |
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| 13:23.19 | plasmoduck[a] | I got gnome |
| 13:23.21 | plasmoduck[a] | gdm |
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| 13:23.31 | Arnald | hmm, I've never had any luck building official Debian kernel sources, I always get initrd problems |
| 13:23.49 | Arnald | I use real kernel sources and build everything in |
| 13:24.05 | takatumi | Arnald: that's because you haven't read man make-kpkg |
| 13:24.10 | valdyn | Arnald: nothing wrong with that |
| 13:24.45 | Arnald | takatumi: I have read and used it many times, that's how I build officail kernel sources, it's just the Debian sources that I can't get to work |
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| 13:24.58 | wwallace_lap | hmm |
| 13:25.01 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 13:25.03 | wwallace_lap | again |
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| 13:25.06 | Arnald | I don't understand initrd |
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| 13:25.15 | takatumi | Arnald: even with the --initrd flag? worked fine the one time I've tried it. |
| 13:25.29 | Arnald | takatumi: maybe I should try again then |
| 13:25.51 | Arnald | I found the make-kpkg documentation very outdated last time I read it |
| 13:25.52 | takatumi | Arnald: but it's better to lose the initrd, so it's good. :) |
| 13:25.57 | Arnald | Pre-2.6 |
| 13:26.24 | Arnald | takatumi: that's what I mean - if you "lose" the initrd, then it is no longer a Debian kernel |
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| 13:26.56 | takatumi | Arnald: so? |
| 13:27.18 | Arnald | so all bets are off regarding "official" howtos and instructions |
| 13:27.48 | Arnald | It worries me that I can't build for myself the kernel I am using |
| 13:27.49 | Pooh22 | Arnald: have you seen this page: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21 |
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| 13:28.20 | Arnald | Pooh22: ho I haven't, thanks! |
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| 13:28.26 | takatumi | Arnald: well I've been running custom kernels for the past few years, the choice is yours. |
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| 13:28.46 | Pooh22 | there's just one thing missing there and that's about using an "extraversion", don't use any, because it will cause problems when installing the package later |
| 13:29.00 | stew | Arnald: what about the make-kpkg docs are outdated? are you talking about /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* ? |
| 13:29.13 | Arnald | takatumi: so have I, but it just seems to me that I am avoiding the issue |
| 13:29.27 | Arnald | stew: hang on and I'll look for an example |
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| 13:30.42 | stew | Arnald: if you find documentation out of date Please file wishlist bugs /msg dpkg reportbu |
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| 13:30.47 | stew | err /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 13:32.45 | Arnald | stew: I was talking about /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, perhaps it has been cleaned up |
| 13:33.06 | stew | Arnald: that would be the '"official" howtos and instructions' |
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| 13:33.18 | stew | Arnald: what problems are you having with kerenls you build with make-kpkg? |
| 13:33.44 | Arnald | stew: I don't quite understand how to deal with initrd |
| 13:33.55 | valdyn | !initrd |
| 13:33.55 | dpkg | well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 13:34.06 | Arnald | can I just forget about it? I seem to remember that didn't work |
| 13:34.12 | valdyn | Arnald: what is hard about ^^^ ? |
| 13:34.14 | stew | Arnald: do you understand what a initrd is and what its purpose is? |
| 13:34.37 | Arnald | stew: It's purpose is to render the boot sequence untraceable |
| 13:34.41 | Arnald | I think ;) |
| 13:34.45 | stew | Arnald: thats not correct |
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| 13:35.42 | Arnald | stew: I'm kidding. It's just that someone implied that initrd is optional, even on Debian sources |
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| 13:36.02 | takatumi | !norootfs |
| 13:36.03 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 13:36.06 | Arnald | and I'd love to lose it, but if need be I'm prepared to keep it |
| 13:36.11 | Guerin | Arnald: it is optionsl. |
| 13:36.36 | Arnald | I remember the kernels failing to boot because they were looking for initrd |
| 13:36.52 | Arnald | and I couldn't stop them from looking |
| 13:36.54 | Guerin | they were built by idiots, then |
| 13:36.58 | Guerin | yes, you coukd |
| 13:37.01 | stew | Arnald: just compile drivers needed to mount your / partition directly into the kenrel, this includes filesystem (ext3?) and hard disk controller (ide drivers? scsi drivers?) |
| 13:37.05 | Guerin | by building them properly |
| 13:37.13 | Arnald | OK I'll go away and try again |
| 13:37.29 | stew | Arnald: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 13:37.30 | Arnald | It's been very helpful talking to you guys, thanks |
| 13:37.40 | valdyn | Arnald: the problem is not that they are looking and not finding, the problem is that they CANNOT boot your system without stuff that is in the ( not found ) initrd |
| 13:37.41 | Arnald | stew: grub or death ;) |
| 13:37.58 | Arnald | valdyn: yes, that's what I concluded |
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| 13:38.02 | stew | Arnald: when you run update-grub it should be creating a kernel entry that doesn't look for an initrd upon boot |
| 13:38.17 | Arnald | and why I gave up and used official kernel sources instead |
| 13:38.32 | valdyn | kernels sources have nothing to do with it |
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| 13:38.55 | stew | Arnald: there is no difference between debian kernels and vanilla kernels with respect to booting them and needing an initrd or not |
| 13:38.56 | Arnald | valdyn: they do in the context of what I am describing |
| 13:39.04 | Guerin | no |
| 13:39.04 | valdyn | Arnald: no they dont |
| 13:39.09 | Guerin | the source is nothing |
| 13:39.16 | Guerin | how you build it is everything |
| 13:39.23 | Guerin | more specifically, how you configure it |
| 13:39.28 | valdyn | Arnald: debians kernel sources comes unconfigured, as do kernel.org kernels |
| 13:39.34 | Arnald | if I use a Debian source, I should be able to build EXACTLY the kernel package that I would get if I used the binary |
| 13:39.47 | valdyn | Arnald: yes, so? |
| 13:39.54 | Guerin | Arnald: if you also use the same .config, and use the same make-kpkg line |
| 13:39.57 | Arnald | if I use "official" sources, I will build a monolithic kernle |
| 13:40.02 | stew | Arnald: if you were trying to use the debian .config file from a debian built kerenl, it would require an initrd until you change your filesystem / hard disk controller modules to be compiled directly into the kernel, but this is not an issue of what source you use, but what config you use |
| 13:40.03 | Guerin | Arnald: which I'm prepared to guarantee you didn't |
| 13:40.06 | valdyn | Arnald: bullshit |
| 13:40.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:40.19 | valdyn | Arnald: you can configure BOTH as you want |
| 13:40.33 | Arnald | you guys are starting to miss the point |
| 13:40.38 | Guerin | nope |
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| 13:40.45 | Arnald | and I can't type fast enought to clear things up |
| 13:41.11 | stew | Arnald: if you use debian source and debian config and the correct make-kpkg line (which includes the --initrd switch) you will end up with essentially the same kernel .deb as the official binary kernel |
| 13:41.12 | azeem | Arnald: if you do apt-get source linux-image-foo, and then dpkg-buildpackage, you will probably get a very similar .deb, yes |
| 13:41.18 | valdyn | Arnald: again: if you need an initrd or not, or if a feature is in or not, depends on the config of your kernel. Both, debian kernel sources and official sources come UNCONFIGURED |
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| 13:41.38 | Arnald | valdyn: Debian packages come with a config AFAIK |
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| 13:41.58 | Arnald | which is the Debian kernel config |
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| 13:42.13 | Arnald | and I want to use that unmodified |
| 13:42.13 | valdyn | Arnald: they come unconfigured, period. |
| 13:42.40 | Arnald | valdyn: perhaps I'm thinking of the binary kernel packages then |
| 13:42.47 | takatumi | Arnald: but why? |
| 13:42.49 | stew | Arnald: the kerenl -headers packages come with a config but -source packages don't |
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| 13:43.01 | Arnald | but I still would like to be able to reproduce the official packages |
| 13:43.11 | azeem | stew: but the linux-image source packages do |
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| 13:43.30 | Pooh22 | Arnald: usually there's a copy of the config used for the kernel in /boot/config-<version> |
| 13:43.30 | stew | Arnald: -image pacakges come with /boot/config-version which is the .config that they were compiled with |
| 13:43.32 | Arnald | sorry guys this is really getting off-topic, I just want to install drbd |
| 13:43.59 | Arnald | have you ever tried to reply to about three people at once? |
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| 13:44.08 | Arnald | and think at the same time? |
| 13:44.16 | takatumi | Arnald: 16:18:20 takatumi | Arnald: install module-assistant and try m-a prepare && m-a a-i drbd0.7-module-source |
| 13:44.23 | Pooh22 | Arnald: take you r time ;-) |
| 13:44.44 | Arnald | takatumi: thanks, I'll try that - seriously thanks all for helping! |
| 13:44.45 | takatumi | Arnald: that's where you left off. ;) |
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| 13:45.02 | Arnald | I don't want to flood the channel, really! |
| 13:45.50 | Roey | yes |
| 13:45.51 | Roey | you do |
| 13:45.58 | Roey | that way you'll tick off everyone |
| 13:46.05 | Roey | but at least I'd get a laugh out of it ;) |
| 13:46.20 | Arnald | Roey: !!!! ;) |
| 13:47.15 | orjan | ..a bit OT.. I'm having problems with lcd screns that don't work( either nothing on screen or pc bootup problem) where the lcds works ok on other pc. I tried to google byt probably bad keywords, got no good hits. Any hints? |
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| 13:48.28 | Arnald | takatumi: m-a looks really cool! |
| 13:48.32 | azeem | it is. |
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| 13:49.45 | takatumi | Arnald: it has a neat UI too. (run it without any args) |
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| 13:50.29 | Arnald | takatumi: I wonder what other cool stuff is new since I first started using Debian! ;) |
| 13:50.49 | Phated | (m-a)++ |
| 13:51.04 | quittt | is there a plugin that can ignore some mp3 faults? |
| 13:51.05 | quittt | like winamp does |
| 13:51.10 | Roey | Arnald: hee hee hee |
| 13:51.22 | Roey | Arnald: there is #flood, by the way, and there is also http://rafb.net/paste |
| 13:51.41 | valdyn | quittt: plugin for what? tried mplayer? |
| 13:52.00 | Arnald | Roey: I didn't mean to - I was jumped! ;) |
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| 13:52.20 | quittt | valdyn, for XMMS |
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| 13:53.33 | valdyn | quittt: i dont know, maybe smpeg-xmms |
| 13:53.45 | valdyn | quittt: but maybe that only plays mpeg movies |
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| 13:57.05 | exo | How do you translate a rule like 'post-install ni_pcimio /usr/sbin/comedi_config /dev/comedi0 ni_pcimio --read-buffer 4096' in /etc/modutils/actions to a udev rule for 2.6? |
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| 13:57.48 | jm_ | exo: modprobe under 2.6 supports post-install actions too, add it to /etc/modprobe.d |
| 13:57.51 | jk_work | I'm getting serial ata error messages: http://pastebin.com/473007 |
| 13:58.07 | exo | jm_:thx, I'll try |
| 13:58.13 | jk_work | It's not the disk. Probably a mainboard fault. |
| 13:58.17 | orlowsks | Has anyone had issues with connecting a usb hard drive to sid. The drive shows up in the Kinfo, But when you type the mount command it doesn't show up. |
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| 13:58.33 | jk_work | Just wondering if there are hdparm settings I should investigate. |
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| 13:59.04 | jk_work | It happens on bulk writes, i.e. 1-2 GB into copying from one disk |
| 13:59.06 | jk_work | onto another |
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| 13:59.35 | mkiso | Hi :) |
| 14:00.01 | mkiso | I wanted to know if there is any NetInstall Sarge r1? :)~ |
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| 14:00.31 | bbrazil | mkiso: dunno, you can always use the r0 and update |
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| 14:00.57 | mkiso | bbrazil Sure :)~ |
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| 14:03.43 | stew | mkiso: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/ |
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| 14:05.19 | wwallace_lap | how r u? |
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| 14:06.37 | wykis-x | how can i see what progress has been made in jigdo, downloading the DVD of Debian> |
| 14:06.38 | wykis-x | ? |
| 14:06.54 | blondie | euck jigdo |
| 14:07.01 | wykis-x | ? |
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| 14:07.44 | valdyn | wykis-x: jigdo tells you |
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| 14:08.08 | blondie | wykis-x: seems like a horrid idea to me :) |
| 14:09.09 | wykis-x | how valdyn ? |
| 14:09.13 | FarrisG | I need to downgrade libc6 to sarge (from testing), but doing so is going to cause apt/dpkg to freak out and uninstall a buttload of packages. Is this even possible to do correctly, or do I need to reinstall everything? |
| 14:09.16 | wwallace_lap | how do i install mplayer? |
| 14:09.20 | wykis-x | now i am getting lots of wget ;] |
| 14:09.31 | bbrazil | wykis-x: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 14:09.37 | bbrazil | wwallace_lap: ^ |
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| 14:10.35 | wwallace_lap | obrigato |
| 14:10.47 | stew | FarrisG: downgrading libc6 is not possible, you would have to reinstall. downgrading in general is not supported |
| 14:10.56 | valdyn | wykis-x: its telling your the package count every 10 downloaded packages |
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| 14:11.42 | learnfromscratch | how do i install perl modules locally ? i mean what option should i pass to perl Makefile.pl ?? |
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| 14:12.23 | stew | learnfromscratch: is there a reason that you prefer to install them locally instead of installing a debian package? |
| 14:12.29 | mkiso | sorry, my xtion halted |
| 14:12.38 | mkiso | Thanks for the link |
| 14:12.38 | mkiso | :)~ |
| 14:13.08 | mkiso | It's right there on cdimage.debian.org :D~ |
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| 14:13.24 | liran | has anyone played with vmware networking a bit ? |
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| 14:13.26 | stew | learnfromscratch: most perl modules have been packaged, if they haven't yet been packaged, you can build a package from the Makefile.pl using dh-make-perl |
| 14:13.50 | mkiso | liran Try Qemu ;)~ |
| 14:13.51 | SlayerXP | liran: vmware is commercial software and has _excellent_ technical support available to all customers. |
| 14:13.54 | ofer0 | Hey |
| 14:14.02 | ofer0 | I have a problem with .bashrc |
| 14:14.05 | mkiso | SlayerXP xD |
| 14:14.06 | liran | okie |
| 14:14.08 | liran | thanks |
| 14:14.19 | mkiso | ofer0 So? What is it? :)~ |
| 14:14.26 | rrronrad | I'm trying to get my amd64 (unstable) to run with two monitor attached to one ATI X300 (one on rgb and one on dvi) using the ati 8.20.08 driver, but both my monitors show the left side of the big screen, any ideas? |
| 14:14.35 | mkiso | liran Qemu is GPL :)~ |
| 14:14.38 | ofer0 | In .bashrc I have "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" but it works only when I type "bash" and click enter. Not after the normal login. |
| 14:14.48 | liran | yeah i know :p |
| 14:15.03 | tralala | I've bought a brand new sata2 WD 160GB disk yesterday. I went home, I plugged it into my ABIT AV8 motherboard (via chipset) and powered it with the sata power connector. I can see the sata_via module loaded in the dmesg output but it fails to detect the disk. I couldnt find anything sata related in the BIOS other than the boot sequence. I will appreciate any ideas what I could be doing wrong (appart from connecting the cables wrongly). |
| 14:15.07 | mkiso | ofer0 Have you tryied "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" at shell and it worked? |
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| 14:15.15 | ofer0 | mkiso: yeap |
| 14:15.33 | wykis-x | valdyn ok |
| 14:15.33 | stew | !wikifaq ofer0 DotFiles |
| 14:15.33 | dpkg | ofer0: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:15.38 | nukeu666 | ofer0:check the last field in your /etc/passwd...it should be /bin/bash |
| 14:15.44 | ofer0 | I don't have graphical interface... |
| 14:16.03 | ofer0 | nukeu666: thank you ill check it |
| 14:16.03 | mkiso | ofer0 Aren't you trying to do that at root bash, right? |
| 14:16.05 | mkiso | :)~ |
| 14:16.12 | ofer0 | mkiso: nope. |
| 14:16.26 | ofer0 | root has it by default anyway. |
| 14:16.30 | ZiX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.30 | ZiX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.33 | ZiX | ... woopz |
| 14:16.34 | ZiX | sorry |
| 14:16.39 | mkiso | stew Oh, nice link, gonna check that now :D~ |
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| 14:17.06 | ofer0 | nukeu666: yeah, /bin/bash right there.. |
| 14:17.15 | mkiso | ofer0 have you defined "bash" shell on passwd file? |
| 14:17.21 | ofer0 | mkiso: yeap |
| 14:17.28 | mkiso | Ummm |
| 14:17.31 | stew | ofer0: read that DotFiles link dpkg sent you |
| 14:17.46 | ofer0 | stew: I can't copy the link, I use irssi-text |
| 14:17.58 | mkiso | ofer0 use mouse :D~ |
| 14:18.00 | stew | ofer0: use screen / gpm / or just type it |
| 14:18.22 | nukeu666 | u can use lynx for tett based browsing also :p |
| 14:18.27 | nukeu666 | text* |
| 14:18.33 | mkiso | Well, thanks for your help, gotta go now! |
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| 14:18.42 | mkiso | Have a nice day all of you! |
| 14:18.43 | stew | why use lynx when there is w3m and links2 though |
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| 14:19.03 | ofer0 | nukeu666: I use elinks, is it any good? |
| 14:19.24 | nukeu666 | no idea...ive never used any of them |
| 14:19.37 | rrronrad | I'm trying to get my amd64 (unstable) to run with two monitor attached to one ATI X300 (one on rgb and one on dvi) using the ati 8.20.08 driver, but both my monitors show the left side of the big screen, any ideas? |
| 14:19.49 | stew | rrronrad: google for xinerama howto |
| 14:19.55 | rrronrad | tried that |
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| 14:20.00 | valdyn | tralala: is your sata disk getting power? |
| 14:20.14 | valdyn | tralala: ( there ought to be 2 cables connected to it ) |
| 14:20.26 | stew | rrronrad: put your xorg.conf in a pastebin |
| 14:21.36 | rrronrad | ok, my current one is here: http://www.ttvavanti.nl/xorg.conf (I've tried several others as well) |
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| 14:22.03 | ofer0 | stew: thank you, what you have gave me is very interesting.. i'll go and read it now. cya |
| 14:22.09 | tralala | valdyn: yes, it is (at least it has the power cable connected) |
| 14:22.10 | lpb-oberon | hi im tryin' to boot win2k using grub but it alwayas fails ... |
| 14:22.24 | rrronrad | (this one has several things commented, I also tried without the comments on the second device... no difference) |
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| 14:22.29 | valdyn | tralala: and your bios 'knows' that disk? |
| 14:22.48 | stew | ofer0: your problem is documented in the first few paragraphs |
| 14:22.57 | stew | rrronrad: you only have one screen defined in the serverlayout |
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| 14:24.13 | stew | rrronrad: you can't do xinerama with only one screen |
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| 14:24.30 | rrronrad | currently I have only one, thats right |
| 14:24.34 | tralala | valdyn: my bios doesnt have a sata disk section - only an ide one |
| 14:24.40 | rrronrad | trust me, I've tried 2 as well |
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| 14:25.00 | zenzan | @ |
| 14:25.01 | valdyn | tralala: your sata controller has a firmware which will list connected disks on bootup |
| 14:25.06 | rrronrad | I hoped Option "DesktopSetup" "Horizontal" would do it |
| 14:25.08 | zenzan | |
| 14:25.17 | fireba11 | might be a simple question .. but i got a server here where no direct root login is allowed, have to log in as user and su root ... how can i change that ? |
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| 14:25.32 | stew | rrronrad: re-read the xinerama howto |
| 14:25.51 | stew | rrronrad: you in fact aren't even turning on the xinerama option |
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| 14:26.33 | rrronrad | I'm trying the ati driver (the config is generated by fglrxconfig) |
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| 14:26.56 | valdyn | i doubt fglrxconfig supports xinerama |
| 14:27.04 | stew | rrronrad: try http://ati.com/support then, maybe |
| 14:27.04 | valdyn | rrronrad: did you even read the fucking howto? |
| 14:27.15 | rrronrad | valdyn: yeah, I did |
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| 14:27.43 | rrronrad | I'll retry the xinerama with ati driver |
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| 14:27.48 | nukeu666 | fireball:http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_do_i_enable_root_login_with_ssh.html |
| 14:27.58 | tralala | valdyn: it disapears too quickly to see it |
| 14:28.03 | valdyn | rrronrad: you should retry the howto and follow it |
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| 14:29.01 | rrronrad | I just keep getting lots of: fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found errors (even when I got BusID "PCI:1:0:1" in my xorg.conf |
| 14:29.16 | valdyn | tralala: well, try again, its not usually to fast to read it |
| 14:29.32 | valdyn | rrronrad: you dont need a busid |
| 14:29.43 | stew | valdyn: you do for xinerama |
| 14:29.46 | valdyn | rrronrad: since you;re just using one card |
| 14:29.58 | valdyn | stew: if he used 2 cards |
| 14:30.05 | rrronrad | ok, both rgb and dvi are on the same then (xinerama howto was a bit vage on this) |
| 14:30.09 | stew | valdyn: no, even if you are using 2 heads on the same card |
| 14:30.19 | stew | rrronrad: you don't have PCI:1:0:1 in xorg.conf |
| 14:30.32 | rrronrad | stew: not in the current one |
| 14:30.43 | ofer0 | thank you stew it worked perfectly :) |
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| 14:30.47 | zeenix | hi |
| 14:30.51 | stew | ofer0: cool, you're welcome |
| 14:30.56 | valdyn | im using 1:0:0 on both my nvidia heads |
| 14:31.01 | ofer0 | cya i got to go back to work. bbl |
| 14:31.09 | GAST | www.liveab1.de |
| 14:31.20 | rrronrad | I guess I tried somewhere in the area of 20 different ones (all with little changes, changes like BusID, Screen, Layout, Xinerama ServerFlag etc) |
| 14:31.42 | zeenix | i have created a chroot env. using debootstrap. seems everything is working fine except for alsa |
| 14:32.01 | stew | rrronrad: we can tell you that the xorg you ahve shown is isn't even close. if you want us to look at another after you have read the xinerama howto we would be happy to |
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| 14:32.19 | zeenix | somehow alsa apps. are unable to find alsa devices |
| 14:32.29 | tralala | valdyn: I hope it's not the fact that the disk is sata2 and the mobo sata1 |
| 14:32.32 | rrronrad | stew: perhaps I still got a Xinerama try here, I'll take a look |
| 14:33.23 | valdyn | tralala: if its a via chipset board and a via sata controller then your bios does know about the sata interface, it can even boot off sata disks and sitch that interface off |
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| 14:33.39 | valdyn | s/sitch/switch/ |
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| 14:33.55 | rrronrad | stew: here one of my first tries (Xinerama): http://www.ttvavanti.nl/xineramaxorg |
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| 14:34.19 | valdyn | tralala: now there is boards that ship with an extra sata controller on board, but i'd doubt that is the case on your system |
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| 14:34.53 | xico | oi |
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| 14:35.04 | xico | hello |
| 14:35.07 | xico | people |
| 14:35.17 | SlayerXP | !tell xico about enter |
| 14:35.17 | xico | everybody is ok |
| 14:35.41 | cbr | is there a .deb for gaim 2.0.0 beta1? |
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| 14:35.54 | abrotman | cbr: packages.debian.org/gaim ? |
| 14:36.00 | stew | rrronrad: is your device on PCI:1:0:1 or 1:0:0? |
| 14:36.15 | cbr | abrotman: it's not official, i meant maybe somebody has done it |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | cbr: other than that .. apt-get.org |
| 14:36.32 | orjan | ..a bit OT.. I'm having problems with lcd screns that don't work( either nothing on screen, flicker, or pc boot problem) where the lcds works ok on other pc. I tried to google byt probably bad keywords, got no good hits. Any hints? |
| 14:36.42 | rrronrad | my best bet is 1:0:0, but lspci makes me think, both: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] |
| 14:36.43 | rrronrad | 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE] |
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| 14:37.19 | abrotman | orjan: #hardware ? |
| 14:37.22 | borco | hi |
| 14:37.29 | bcc | hi guys, i need help configuring a dial-up modem and a wireless adaptor on a laptop running debian. i would pay to someone who would help me get it done. |
| 14:37.31 | koudelka_ | i need some help with firestarter, i get the firewall and dhcp-server to work well but it cant share my internet connection |
| 14:37.33 | xico | someone speak portuguese |
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| 14:37.44 | stew | rrronrad: you need to add screen 0 and screen 1 to your two device sections |
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| 14:38.06 | xico | because i dont speak very much portuguese |
| 14:38.09 | rrronrad | ok, I'll give that a try |
| 14:38.16 | tralala | valdyn: its abit av8 with via kt800 pro (or so) chipset. The sata_via module loads fine and probes the interfaces so I guess the on-board sata is actually via. |
| 14:38.21 | orjan | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 14:38.35 | rrronrad | (you think that's all... I'll have to leave the channel to try since I'm using an X irc client) |
| 14:38.39 | valdyn | tralala: module loading fine means nothing |
| 14:38.53 | valdyn | tralala: does loading that module output messages to 'dmesg' ? |
| 14:39.25 | valdyn | tralala: your board has 2 sata chips ) |
| 14:39.31 | valdyn | tralala: ( iirc ) |
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| 14:39.45 | valdyn | tralala: you'll find 4 sata plugs there too iirc |
| 14:40.03 | valdyn | tralala: lspci | grep -i promise | grep -i sata |
| 14:40.15 | rrronrad | thanks! I'm gonna try it now |
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| 14:40.32 | valdyn | tralala: that one too can be switched off in your bios iirc |
| 14:40.33 | Guerin | !tell fly_80 about away |
| 14:40.47 | Stereo | Hello, I pinned my packages just like described in http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html without unstable, but apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade wants to install packages from testing. What am I doing wrong? |
| 14:41.24 | koudelka_ | i got my dsl-modem connected to a switch, then i also got all my comps connected to that switch. open a pppoe connection on this comp and now i want to share it with the rest, do firestarter got a problem with sharing a a pppoe connection when it's not direct connected to my comp? |
| 14:41.25 | valdyn | tralala: not 100% sure naturally if you really have that board im thinking off, but check anyway |
| 14:42.09 | koudelka_ | to a comp- |
| 14:42.13 | cbr | ubuntu has selfmade .debs but i guess they wont work under debian |
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| 14:43.34 | DZT | :) |
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| 14:43.46 | DZT | :) :):):):):):):):):):):):) |
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| 14:44.20 | yang | Anyone knows how to reformat this find . -type f -exec rename -n 's/[~]/_/g' {} \; to remove all characters like ~ and ` |
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| 14:45.51 | CGI603 | hello everyone |
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| 14:46.26 | CGI603 | today is a good day to ask quiestions ? |
| 14:46.33 | DZT | i want a sony vaio |
| 14:46.38 | boguh | hi, why dont i have an installation candidate for k3b? |
| 14:46.45 | stew | boguh: /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 14:46.53 | stew | CGI603: if you have a question, just ask away |
| 14:47.05 | stew | boguh: and /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
| 14:47.13 | Guerin | DZT: why? |
| 14:47.19 | Guerin | sony == toys |
| 14:47.27 | Guerin | vaoi == most toylike of toys |
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| 14:47.32 | Guerin | vaio even |
| 14:47.32 | DZT | no table pc |
| 14:47.36 | stew | i want toys |
| 14:47.37 | tralala | valdyn: no, my board has only 2 sata plugs and only one controller I believe. But I'll try your suggestions as soon as I get home. Thank you. |
| 14:47.41 | debiankid | stew Sup here is my quiestion how to make my soundcard work ? |
| 14:47.45 | Guerin | also |
| 14:47.50 | Guerin | sony == fucking evil bastards |
| 14:47.54 | yang | vaios are cool |
| 14:48.03 | DZT | ya |
| 14:48.04 | yang | light |
| 14:48.07 | Guerin | no, vaios are not cool |
| 14:48.12 | boguh | stew is there a way to get it? |
| 14:48.15 | BioTech | stick with a dell |
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| 14:48.22 | Guerin | the only people who think vaios are cool are people who've never used a real laptop |
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| 14:48.28 | stew | boguh: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:48.31 | thingfish | I won't buy sony anything anymore. Their stuff falls apart after only a few months. |
| 14:48.31 | yang | i have dell, and i would change it for vaio |
| 14:48.32 | DZT | 1500 |
| 14:48.33 | BioTech | ibm;s are easly upgradedable tho |
| 14:48.34 | foo__ | any idea if snmp traps go to broadcast or to specofic addresses? |
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| 14:48.36 | Guerin | and people who think a laptop can be a 'multimedia suite' |
| 14:48.40 | Guerin | well |
| 14:48.43 | DZT | for one sony vaio |
| 14:48.57 | Rosz | How can I start the X server to lisent port 6000 (I want to use it with SSH)?? |
| 14:49.02 | Guerin | i'd change a dell for a vaio too, but that don't make vaios good - it just makes them less abysmal than dell hell |
| 14:49.04 | BioTech | ive got th 1150 |
| 14:49.05 | debiankid | any idea? |
| 14:49.08 | yang | thingfish: you should use your guarantee |
| 14:49.09 | stew | Rosz: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:49.34 | stew | debiankid: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 14:50.04 | jm_ | Rosz: you don't need it to listen on TCP port for ssh X11 forwarding to work |
| 14:50.12 | visik7 | hi I've accidentaly deleted man8 I know which package had write in that dir |
| 14:50.13 | visik7 | but |
| 14:50.17 | DZT | or one asus traveller |
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| 14:50.36 | valdyn | visik7: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:51.00 | Rosz | thanks |
| 14:51.01 | visik7 | apt-get --reinstall install $PACKAGES where $PACKAGES are all the package that has manpages in it want to install olso the dependancies |
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| 14:51.27 | yang | Guerin: i dont know if you have seen the new vaios... |
| 14:51.40 | visik7 | now I need a way to copy only man8 from all the packages |
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| 14:51.41 | visik7 | any way ? |
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| 14:51.53 | Guerin | yang: it doesn't matter. |
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| 14:52.22 | Guerin | yang: i am *plenty* familiar with sonyware, and it is *all* shit. |
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| 14:52.37 | yang | I wonder why do they sell LCD cleaning liquids , if the screen looks even more dirty after you clean it ? |
| 14:52.46 | stew | wwallace_lap: turn that script off in this channel |
| 14:52.48 | Guerin | wwallace_lap: nobody gives a fuck |
| 14:52.53 | rrronrad | unfortunately, it didn't work :( (also tries BusID 1:0:1 on the secondary device, tried the fglrx drivers instead of ati (better results) and tried removing the BusID lines |
| 14:52.54 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 14:53.03 | Guerin | wwallace_lap: not only that, but you have shit taste in music |
| 14:53.05 | azeem | wwallace_lap: please turn off those scripts |
| 14:53.07 | Guerin | just so you know |
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| 14:53.37 | stew | rrronrad: be more descriptive than "didn't work" if you want us to help dignose the problem |
| 14:53.46 | thingfish | wow. an op actually active in the morning. cool. |
| 14:53.56 | Rosz | is this the only channel for debian? |
| 14:53.58 | Rosz | users |
| 14:53.58 | rrronrad | stew: ;) you're, both screens just show exactly the same thing |
| 14:54.19 | wwallace_lap | Rosz: in english unfortunate it is |
| 14:54.24 | thingfish | Rosz: there are language-specific #debian channels, and a few others besides. |
| 14:54.25 | stew | visik7: you can extract individual files from debs with dpkg -x if that helps |
| 14:54.36 | BioTech | ive got a hcfpcimodem ive installed the drivers for it from linmodem but to use the full speed instead of the limited 14.bps i have to have a code or crack...help |
| 14:54.39 | Guerin | Rosz: you've got your answer already. |
| 14:54.55 | rrronrad | stew: and I don't want that, I want them both to show something different... |
| 14:55.15 | stew | rrronrad: when you started with the xorg.conf that had Screen "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen2" you got two screen showing the same thing? |
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| 14:55.18 | Rosz | <thingfish> where i can find the language-specific channels (I am not a nativa english speaker |
| 14:55.18 | scopeuk | hi all |
| 14:55.42 | wwallace_lap | Rosz: what do you speak? |
| 14:55.47 | thingfish | Rosz: what is your preferred language? |
| 14:55.49 | visik7 | stew: ok I try to script it |
| 14:55.52 | Rosz | Bulgarian |
| 14:55.55 | BioTech | can someone help me with my modem prob? |
| 14:55.56 | Guerin | Rosz: doubt there's a bulgarian channel |
| 14:55.59 | valdyn | !bu |
| 14:56.00 | stew | !wikifaq Rosz OtherChannels |
| 14:56.01 | dpkg | Rosz: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherChannels or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:56.04 | wwallace_lap | sorry cant help you with that |
| 14:56.08 | valdyn | !bl |
| 14:56.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, bl is a program for Blink Keyboard LEDs |
| 14:56.12 | Rosz | !bu |
| 14:56.14 | debiankid | hey take a look to this |
| 14:56.14 | Rosz | :) |
| 14:56.16 | tralala | Rosz: msg me |
| 14:56.17 | rrronrad | stew: yes |
| 14:56.23 | thingfish | ooh, I don't think there's a bulgarian channel, Rosz. |
| 14:56.27 | stew | rrronrad: can i see the log? |
| 14:56.29 | debiankid | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1339 |
| 14:56.31 | rrronrad | stew: sure |
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| 14:56.39 | streuner | !ru |
| 14:56.39 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 14:56.46 | debiankid | stew chek this out |
| 14:56.46 | rrronrad | stew: I'll also include the current xorg.conf |
| 14:56.47 | tralala | Rosz: but you need to be registered |
| 14:57.06 | Rosz | aham |
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| 14:57.14 | dobby_ | how is the module for webmin called where I can change rights for files and browser trough my filesystem? |
| 14:57.15 | Rosz | tralala - private |
| 14:58.09 | rrronrad | t(btw. the log says Screen Screen2 doesn't exist: deleting placement, I think that is pretty much it) |
| 14:58.18 | pitillo | i have upgraded my sid and it installs xorg, can i use xfree or i must use xorg by now? |
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| 14:58.39 | rrronrad | http://www.ttvavanti.nl/xorg.conf and http://www.ttvavanti.nl/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:58.53 | ZiX | it's cold in here |
| 14:58.54 | ZiX | O_O |
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| 14:59.33 | debiankid | stew thid ya saw it? |
| 14:59.33 | wwallace_lap | !listkeys "" |
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| 14:59.43 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've just lauched a brand new system with Asustek mainboard. What options should I compile into the kernel to have the ability to use integrated temperature meters: environment temp, CPU temp, hdd temp and etc? |
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| 14:59.54 | tralala | Rosz: join flood |
| 15:00.22 | stew | debiankid: i don't know what you are talking about, i saw "< debiankid> stew chek this out" then "< debiankid> stew thid ya saw it?" |
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| 15:01.16 | debiankid | stew im talking about this http://channels.debian.net/paste/1339 |
| 15:01.32 | debiankid | stew thats the error installing alsa drivers |
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| 15:01.44 | stew | rrronrad: oh you want "Screen2" LeftOf "Screen1", not the other way around |
| 15:01.49 | rrronrad | ok, |
| 15:02.12 | rrronrad | but the first line is ok (I tried putting Screen2 there but that just made X crash on startup) |
| 15:02.15 | Fujoor | hey guys , i need a lil bit of help, im trying to cfdisk an old computer, when i type cfdisk it says "error can not open diskdrive" |
| 15:02.23 | koudelka_ | i need some help with sharing an pppoe connection in firestarter >> |
| 15:02.33 | Fujoor | what do you think its wrong? |
| 15:02.36 | stew | rrronrad: show me the log from when it crashes |
| 15:02.41 | stew | debiankid: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:03.16 | rrronrad | stew: www.ttvavanti.nl/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 15:03.28 | debiankid | stew im using debian 3.1 sarge |
| 15:03.58 | stew | debiankid: what does apt-cache policy libstdc++6 say for Installed: and Candidate:? same for apt-cache policy wine |
| 15:04.16 | koudelka_ | debiankid, kernel? |
| 15:04.34 | debiankid | koudelka dont remember but is the lastest |
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| 15:04.47 | debiankid | 2.7x |
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| 15:04.53 | stew | rrronrad: if the closed source fglrx driver is crashing we cannot help you with that |
| 15:04.53 | nukeu666 | whats the differnce between purged and removes in dpkg --get-selections? |
| 15:05.07 | debiankid | stew wait a sec |
| 15:05.31 | rrronrad | stew: true... I'll try ati (even thought it was just giving me very bad performance earlier) |
| 15:05.46 | rrronrad | I'll give it a try now, bye |
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| 15:06.04 | stew | nukeu666: /msg dpkg purge |
| 15:06.16 | allgo | !purge |
| 15:06.16 | dpkg | [purge] to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 15:06.31 | Fujoor | anyone who knows what might be wrong when it says "error cannot open diskdrive" when typing cfdisk |
| 15:06.37 | stew | nukeu666: when you remove a pacakge it doesn't remove its config files, when you purge it it removes them and removes thier configs |
| 15:06.40 | pitillo | anyone using sid and xfree have made an upgrade and had problems?? |
| 15:06.50 | stew | pitillo: you have to switch to xorg |
| 15:07.11 | nukeu666 | okie...can i remove 2.4 kernel is 2.6 is working fine? |
| 15:07.28 | stew | pitillo: if you are having problems switching check the bts for xserver-xorg |
| 15:07.30 | Guerin | nukeu666: if you mean if, then yes |
| 15:07.49 | pitillo | stew, this is the problem, the upgrade installs xorg and i want to use xfree |
| 15:08.03 | caphuso | "aptitude purge \~c" is easier |
| 15:08.34 | stew | pitillo: there is no xfree in unstable. why do you want to use xfree instead of xorg? |
| 15:08.34 | pitillo | stew, im using xorg and i have only one problem with the new closed ati drivers |
| 15:08.35 | Guerin | pitillo: put a hold on x-window-system[-core] |
| 15:09.00 | pitillo | Guerin, I think that its later now |
| 15:09.02 | koudelka_ | can anyone help me with firestarter and sharing of connections?>> |
| 15:09.09 | stew | pitillo: and you think that you wouldn't have this problem if you used the same driver with xfree? |
| 15:09.16 | Guerin | koudelka_: don't use firestarter |
| 15:09.20 | Guerin | !ipmasq |
| 15:09.20 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 15:10.14 | pitillo | stew, it isn?tt the same driver for xfree and xorg, i cant make nothing to make render work like after |
| 15:10.21 | koudelka_ | Guerin, dosent work |
| 15:10.26 | Guerin | koudelka_: yes, it does. |
| 15:10.33 | koudelka_ | well not for me |
| 15:10.38 | pitillo | stew with xorg i need to install the lastest ati drivers and rendering is badest with my card |
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| 15:10.43 | Guerin | koudelka_: that's not the package's fault. |
| 15:10.44 | koudelka_ | how to start it? or configure it? |
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| 15:11.00 | Guerin | koudelka_: start it with /etc/init.d/ipmasq start; requires no config. |
| 15:11.19 | Guerin | koudelka_: point your client machines at the internal interface, and you're done |
| 15:11.38 | stew | pitillo: what card do you have? do you need 3d accelleration? |
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| 15:12.00 | debiankid | stew i did apt-get -f install now what i should do to make my soundcard work ? |
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| 15:12.07 | AlW | hey all |
| 15:12.12 | Guerin | !all |
| 15:12.12 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. |
| 15:12.13 | AlW | is it possible todo |
| 15:12.18 | Guerin | !possible |
| 15:12.18 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 15:12.18 | AlW | in ftp... |
| 15:12.19 | wykis-x | tell me -about yourself |
| 15:12.21 | Guerin | !ftp |
| 15:12.22 | dpkg | from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 15:12.24 | AlW | mput * |
| 15:12.25 | stew | debiankid: did you /msg dpkg alsa one-liner? |
| 15:12.29 | Guerin | !enter |
| 15:12.30 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 15:12.47 | stew | debiankid: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:13.06 | AlW | Ok, how do i place all the files in the current folder into the remote folder using ftp.... |
| 15:13.13 | caphuso | Guerin: we typically don't have a policy against polite greetings |
| 15:13.20 | Guerin | caphuso: honestly... |
| 15:13.33 | cifrao | oooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloolololol |
| 15:13.34 | cifrao | lllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooo |
| 15:13.34 | cifrao | lllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooo |
| 15:13.39 | cifrao | lllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooolllllllllllllllllllloooloololololoooo |
| 15:13.40 | caphuso | we have a policy against that |
| 15:13.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 15:13.42 | Guerin | how about THAT guy |
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| 15:13.46 | Phated | Whew. |
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| 15:13.54 | chris___ | caphuso: nice response |
| 15:13.58 | hans0lo | kick him, kick him |
| 15:13.59 | pitillo | stew, yes i need, i have a radeon 9250, and with an older version of xfree drivers my acceleration works perfectly |
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| 15:14.05 | Roey | hee haw |
| 15:14.07 | Roey | that was funny |
| 15:14.20 | Roey | löl |
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| 15:14.37 | stew | pitillo: afaik, you should get 3d accelleration with the current open source xorg drivers with that card |
| 15:14.45 | AlW | hrrr |
| 15:14.53 | stew | pitillo: i know you would with a 9200 and i belive gravity said the 9250 support had gone in |
| 15:14.58 | Guerin | AlW: lftp can probably do it |
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| 15:15.07 | Guerin | AlW: tbpfh, I'd just use scp |
| 15:15.33 | ReignWolve | Has anyone ever gotten jumpdrives to work on linux ? |
| 15:15.39 | pitillo | stew, but the xorg drivers doesn?t have agpx8 i belive... |
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| 15:16.03 | debiankid | stew never mind im trying to install alsa drivers again |
| 15:16.05 | Guerin | ReignWolve: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 15:16.10 | pitillo | stew, but i haven?t tested radeon drivers... i will try it, thanks |
| 15:16.20 | Guerin | debiankid: install a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:16.40 | debiankid | guerin 20.6 kernel is not working with me |
| 15:16.53 | debiankid | guerin kernel 2.6 make x unstable |
| 15:17.08 | Guerin | debiankid: heh ... right. |
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| 15:17.10 | KiaN | hi |
| 15:17.12 | ReignWolve | k rephrase the stupid question |
| 15:17.16 | debiankid | i mean the x interface dont work with that kernel on my computer |
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| 15:17.26 | Blackhold | hello |
| 15:17.30 | debiankid | me dont know why |
| 15:17.39 | stew | ReignWolve: jumpdrive? is that a usb drive? |
| 15:17.48 | ReignWolve | yeah |
| 15:17.58 | KiaN | i have a small updateing problem, i tried to update all my system but it blocked on webmin with an error. now i just want to get rid of my messy webmin and reinstall it but i cant do uit, it wont work, how should i proceed please ? |
| 15:18.01 | Guerin | !mass storage |
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| 15:18.06 | stew | ReignWolve: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 15:18.07 | Guerin | !usb storage |
| 15:18.07 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 15:18.12 | Guerin | yeah, sorry |
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| 15:18.19 | ReignWolve | I tried 1 brand and couldn't get it |
| 15:18.23 | pitillo | debiankid, i have a guide that can help you, if you want you can test it |
| 15:18.31 | Blackhold | I've a exchange server and I would to change it for one used in linux, what mail server you recommend me, and what are the advantadges and disadvantadges to using one or the other |
| 15:18.36 | AlW | Well, how can i put all the files & folders in the current directory into the remote directory... in ftp? |
| 15:18.37 | debiankid | pitillo ok |
| 15:18.54 | Guerin | AlW: try 'man lftp' |
| 15:18.59 | ReignWolve | now will the modules only work with certain builds |
| 15:19.02 | koudelka_ | Guerin, sould i use dhcp or static on my client machines? |
| 15:19.07 | pitillo | debiankid, i send you the url by private |
| 15:19.08 | debiankid | i have alsa drivers installed all ready but i think the soundcard still not working |
| 15:19.10 | ReignWolve | or are they standard |
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| 15:19.27 | Guerin | koudelka_: doesn't matter. |
| 15:19.35 | stew | ReignWolve: usb mass storage is standard, there are no drive speicific drivers |
| 15:19.39 | koudelka_ | ok |
| 15:19.44 | koudelka_ | anyways it dosen |
| 15:19.50 | koudelka_ | 't work_ |
| 15:20.01 | debiankid | pitillo ok send it |
| 15:20.06 | stew | debiankid: you successfully ran alsaconf but still don't get sound? is that what you are saying? |
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| 15:20.15 | Guerin | koudelka_: then you're doing something wrong. Read the howto in the 'ipmasq' factoid above |
| 15:20.17 | wykis-x | jigdo shows 5 /77 files remaining were downloaded |
| 15:20.27 | ReignWolve | well i know there are some things i want to run but i can't without having to recompile or changing to unstable ver |
| 15:20.27 | Lektron | Is there a specific IRC channel for apt-get questions? |
| 15:20.27 | ReignWolve | just was making sure |
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| 15:20.31 | wykis-x | so does this mean that there is 72 left? |
| 15:20.36 | cisee | Blackhold: i would use postfix + courier imap |
| 15:20.39 | Roey | hi |
| 15:20.42 | Roey | can I boot off of lvm? |
| 15:20.42 | stew | ReignWolve: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:20.45 | Roey | in debian? |
| 15:21.05 | cisee | Roey: you cant but i wouldn't |
| 15:21.06 | pitillo | debiankid, i did it |
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| 15:21.32 | AlW | can i do it without lftp? |
| 15:21.54 | caphuso | AlW: sure. make a tarball and "put" that on the server |
| 15:21.58 | AlW | lol |
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| 15:22.08 | caphuso | that wasn't a joke |
| 15:22.08 | Roey | cisee: why not? |
| 15:22.28 | KiaN | how can i force remove of packages ? |
| 15:22.39 | azeem | KiaN: apt-get remove <package> |
| 15:22.41 | darkness_ | Hi stew, if you remember the convo yesterday about losing my eth0 connection due to a kernel update. I've seen an error which may be relevent. "shp chp:- acpi shpchprm: get device pci root hid fail = 0x1001" ? |
| 15:22.48 | visik7 | dpkg --force --help |
| 15:22.48 | KiaN | apt-get remove -f webmin-* does not work |
| 15:22.51 | visik7 | dpkg --force-help |
| 15:23.19 | azeem | visik7: please do not suggest using --force commands unless you absolutely know it is necessary for the specific case |
| 15:23.23 | KiaN | both wont work |
| 15:23.27 | azeem | KiaN: why does it not work? |
| 15:23.33 | stew | debiankid: no, /msg dpkg hid |
| 15:23.34 | visik7 | azeem: oh ok |
| 15:23.35 | KiaN | i get errors |
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| 15:23.40 | azeem | KiaN: please paste the error on a pastebin |
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| 15:23.52 | KiaN | i tried a general update of the system and now i have a messy webmin |
| 15:24.16 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 15:24.22 | KiaN | sorry .. i donbt khe pastebin works |
| 15:24.28 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 15:24.29 | dpkg | debstats is, like, managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 15:24.37 | KiaN | sorry .. i dont know how the pastebin works (excuse my mistakes) |
| 15:24.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar shop! |
| 15:24.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: you install opencubicplayer first |
| 15:24.51 | azeem | !paster KiaN |
| 15:24.51 | dpkg | KiaN: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 15:24.52 | darkness_ | KiaN, go to www.pastebin.com |
| 15:24.57 | AlW | cd: Fatal error: SSL connect: self signed certificate |
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| 15:24.59 | KiaN | thanks |
| 15:25.00 | BertoX | hi here |
| 15:25.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. you were supposed to go to the guitar shop weeks ago |
| 15:25.11 | BertoX | someone would help me with splashy plz ? |
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| 15:25.23 | darkness_ | stew: Did you see my error message? |
| 15:25.23 | BertoX | at boot, i've the "standard" console boot, and i can see * Booting process at xx% and messages : Splashy is not running... no commands can be sent |
| 15:25.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: please try ocp and i'll do the guitar thing this year for sure! |
| 15:25.49 | stew | darkness_: yes, its not related to eth, /msg dpkg hid |
| 15:25.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: you've got two weeks left |
| 15:26.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you do ocp now, and mog after i did the guitar |
| 15:26.17 | KiaN | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1340 |
| 15:26.28 | darkness_ | stew: Okay t |
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| 15:26.33 | sifi | how do I burn a ISO file to a CD with cdrecord? |
| 15:27.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not at home .. why don't you ever ask me at home ? |
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| 15:27.24 | azeem | KiaN: did you remove /etc/webmin/ manually? |
| 15:27.25 | cisee | sifi: cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hda iso |
| 15:27.43 | sifi | cisee, ah, thx |
| 15:27.55 | KiaN | azeem: no, only with apt-get |
| 15:27.59 | stew | KiaN: "touch /etc/webmin/webmin.acl" might get you going again, if not you have to debug the /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin.prerm script manually |
| 15:28.02 | KiaN | but it returned errors too |
| 15:28.09 | thingfish | What I want to know is why people feel the need to use bootsplash to begin with. |
| 15:28.11 | threat | hi |
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| 15:28.24 | threat | apparntly I suck cock |
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| 15:28.31 | AlW | When i connected, and entered cd, i got, cd: Fatal error: SSL connect: self signed certificate |
| 15:28.33 | stew | abrotman: /msg dpkg mg :) |
| 15:28.36 | azeem | threat: we don't care |
| 15:28.37 | BertoX | abrotman : i tried with bootsplah and patched my kernel : only got a pic in grub, not during boot :( |
| 15:28.53 | Lektron | With apt-get update, what do the statuses of "Ign", "Hit" and "Get" mean, exactly? |
| 15:28.57 | threat | azeem, asl? |
| 15:29.04 | KiaN | lol |
| 15:29.25 | threat | azeem, you know you want it |
| 15:29.31 | KiaN | stew: the touch did not help, and manuel debugging .. i dont really get it :( |
| 15:29.36 | azeem | threat: please either ask Debian questions, or help us support others |
| 15:29.36 | stew | threat: either ask a debian related question of move on please |
| 15:29.58 | allgo | threat is funny :) |
| 15:30.03 | azeem | allgo: no |
| 15:30.07 | threat | stew, ok, how do I do a MySQL Mail merge in debian Openoffice? |
| 15:30.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: when are you home? |
| 15:30.15 | threat | azeem, yes, you love it |
| 15:30.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahaha. nice words about bootsplash :) |
| 15:30.27 | stew | threat: ask #openoffice.org or #debian-oo |
| 15:30.43 | stew | KiaN: i mean look at the script and see what it's trying to do with that file, if you say that this happened during a normal apt-get run, then check the bts for webmin |
| 15:30.46 | threat | stew, I have, and no one is there to anser my q |
| 15:30.50 | nixxie | does anyone use davfs to mount a webdav on linux? /me wonders if it works well |
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| 15:30.55 | azeem | threat: patience |
| 15:31.19 | threat | azeem, patience aye |
| 15:31.20 | KiaN | stew: i dont really know scripts, i only know apt-get install or remove :-/ |
| 15:31.26 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 15:33.05 | stew | abrotman: hear about damon? |
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| 15:33.08 | elephantMan | On a computer, encoding of characters are done on a per-application basis, or is it system width ? |
| 15:33.39 | elephantMan | width = wide ? |
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| 15:34.05 | KiaN | stew: actually i dont care about webmin but i need to do apt-get install gcc-3.0 and i cant because of that problem |
| 15:34.05 | koudelka_ | anyother gui networksharing program then firestarter? |
| 15:34.14 | BertoX | hmmm Question : can i use splashy with a "bootsplash patched kernel) ? |
| 15:34.34 | BertoX | s/)/" :) |
| 15:34.40 | stew | KiaN: yeah, you will have to fix this problem before you can use apt-get again |
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| 15:35.15 | KiaN | stew: and i'm quite stuck :( |
| 15:35.28 | elephantMan | Well, how can i convert a file charset ? |
| 15:35.33 | Rosz | currently what version of KDE is in the unstable packets (3.4 or 3.5)? |
| 15:35.48 | KiaN | stew: is there no simple way to juste make Debian think that webmin is not installed ? |
| 15:35.57 | stew | KiaN: there was nothing in the bts? you can't decipher what is going on in the prerm script? |
| 15:36.01 | KiaN | and so then i cant overwrite it with a simple install |
| 15:36.07 | threat | azeem, so, where are you from"? |
| 15:36.21 | threat | azeem, are you a prototype fan? |
| 15:36.23 | KiaN | stew: i dont know what is a "bts" and cant decipher |
| 15:36.38 | stew | KiaN: as it says in the topic: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 15:36.48 | azeem | threat: please either ask Debian questions, or help us support others |
| 15:36.58 | threat | azeem, do you need support?\ |
| 15:37.03 | azeem | no, thanks |
| 15:37.06 | threat | azeem, are you feeling lonely? |
| 15:37.35 | threat | azeem, do you need someone to talk to? :) |
| 15:37.38 | koudelka_ | anyother gui networksharing program then firestarter? |
| 15:37.57 | threat | koudelka_, /bin/bash |
| 15:38.05 | KiaN | koudelka_: isn't firestarter a gui for firewall ? |
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| 15:38.09 | stew | KiaN: if you don't see anything there, your options would be to try "apt-get install --reinstall webmin" then "apt-get remove webmin" and hope stuff gets fixed. or you can try to bypass the prerm script completely by putting "exit 0" at the top of the script |
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| 15:38.28 | koudelka_ | also dhcp and sharing internetconnection |
| 15:38.50 | KiaN | stew: i tried the 2 first options, did not work, and i dont understand the last one :( |
| 15:39.00 | koudelka_ | dhcp works for me but the gateway dosen't work |
| 15:39.08 | azeem | KiaN: you tried with --reinstall? |
| 15:39.08 | threat | I like DHCP |
| 15:39.21 | KiaN | azeem: yes :( |
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| 15:39.36 | cisee | any bind fans have a favorite reverse record creating tool ? |
| 15:39.37 | koudelka_ | or it's me that fails big time |
| 15:39.37 | txoof | I've accidentally selected a mess of packages in dselect that I don't want. Is there a way to purge the pending install list? |
| 15:39.41 | azeem | KiaN: so what was the error? The same one you pasted earlier? |
| 15:40.11 | KiaN | azeem: yes, exactly |
| 15:40.27 | thingfish | *plonk* |
| 15:40.36 | stew | threat: please stop |
| 15:40.43 | threat | stew, heh |
| 15:40.49 | threat | stew, sup? |
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| 15:41.15 | threat | stew, sorry, I am hell bored if you havn't noticed |
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| 15:41.55 | Guerin | threat: go play with explosives |
| 15:41.57 | kspath | cisee: vim ? |
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| 15:42.18 | stew | KiaN: can you put /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin.prerm in a basebin somewhere? |
| 15:42.29 | boinkder | Hello. I am having trouble with my sound on the 2.6.14.4 kernel. I can play a sound in Kaboodle and it works fine, but no application will play its default sounds and some programs say it can't find a mixer or device. Am I not doing something correctly? |
| 15:42.46 | threat | Guerin, I have clorin and brake fluid laying around somewhere, should I combine the two in my hand? |
| 15:43.02 | Guerin | threat: in your mouth would be more ideal. |
| 15:43.11 | azeem | threat: last warning, either stay on topic, or be silenced |
| 15:43.12 | stew | boinkder: try modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 15:43.28 | KiaN | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1341 |
| 15:43.30 | threat | Guerin, aiight, I shall try that, should I stream it too? so you can watch? |
| 15:43.36 | threat | azeem, hi |
| 15:43.39 | threat | azeem, sup? |
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| 15:43.46 | azeem | stew: I thought the webmin-foo packages failed to install |
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| 15:43.54 | koudelka_ | threat, get your own channel |
| 15:43.54 | Guerin | threat: nah, I don't actually care, I just want you to fuck off. |
| 15:43.55 | threat | azeem, do you need any linux help ? |
| 15:43.59 | sloncho | quit |
| 15:44.05 | threat | Guerin, haha, you are harsh |
| 15:44.11 | threat | koudelka_, ssshhh |
| 15:44.13 | abrotman | stew: yes i did .. and i'm none too happy |
| 15:44.22 | tobias | upgradeing from woody to sarge, apt-get wants to remove a ton of packages. how can i find out what's triggering this & resolve it? |
| 15:44.34 | boinkder | stew: Module snd-pcm-oss not found. I am using alsa if that helps |
| 15:44.47 | txoof | Is there a way to purge packages that are pending install in dpkg? |
| 15:44.49 | stew | azeem: he's having trouble removing webmin, aparantly because /etc/webmin is gone and therefor the initscript isn't working |
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| 15:45.21 | Lektron | What do the statuses of "Ign", "Hit" and "Get" mean with apt-get update? |
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| 15:45.31 | Lektron | What do the statuses of "Ign", "Hit" and "Get" mean with apt-get update? |
| 15:45.36 | Guerin | stew: he needs to create the dir and files, or use --force-confmiss in dpkg |
| 15:45.37 | threat | stew, mkdir /etc/webmin && apt-get --purge remove webmin |
| 15:45.39 | azeem | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 15:45.41 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.59 | ryoohki | how do i add a pgp key so apt-get can use it? the rpm --import-key equivalent |
| 15:46.06 | threat | apt-get install apache2 |
| 15:46.09 | KiaN | well /etc/webmin exists |
| 15:46.23 | threat | ryoohki, I forget |
| 15:46.29 | azeem | KiaN: did you touch /etc/webmin/webmin.acl ? |
| 15:46.34 | azeem | KiaN: does it exist? |
| 15:46.35 | KiaN | yes |
| 15:46.35 | stew | boinkder: you need to recompile your kernel with alsa's oss emulation |
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| 15:46.48 | Guerin | KiaN: read dpkg --force-help |
| 15:46.55 | ryoohki | threat, um thats nice but why tell me and everyone? ;-) |
| 15:47.11 | boinkder | stew: Even though it works fine kaboodle? |
| 15:47.20 | txoof | great. |
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| 15:47.39 | threat | ryoohki, :) |
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| 15:47.52 | threat | ryoohki, ummm apt-get install a_clue |
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| 15:48.19 | Guerin | threat: would you go and play with those fucking chemicals already? |
| 15:48.21 | koudelka_ | -- |
| 15:48.23 | stew | boinkder: find out what files in /dev the non-working programs are trying to access, if its /dev/dsp and/or /dev/mixer you need oss emulation. although some sound programs can talk directly to alsa (which it seems kaboodle can) others only know how to talk to oss |
| 15:48.32 | Guerin | threat: or just doing headstands on the overpass would be fine |
| 15:48.49 | threat | Guerin, overpass? I dont live in America |
| 15:49.09 | KiaN | i'm quite stuck |
| 15:49.12 | threat | Guerin, nah, I would rather drink some Makers Mark |
| 15:49.18 | ryoohki | threat, apt-key add file |
| 15:49.20 | Guerin | threat: neither do I. |
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| 15:49.25 | KiaN | stew: isn't there a way to really force apt-get or dpkg ? |
| 15:49.49 | boinkder | stew: Sorry for the dumb question, but I am still new to linux. I am in the make menuconfig now in the sound device section. Would I just add support for OSS Mixer API and OSS PCM (digital audio) API? |
| 15:49.58 | threat | Guerin, isn't "overpass" an American word? I Have never used it in my vocab |
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| 15:50.12 | Guerin | threat: it's a word to describe a pass which goes over something |
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| 15:50.56 | threat | Guerin, aparntly |
| 15:51.08 | Guerin | !spell aparntly |
| 15:51.09 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 15:51.20 | threat | sssshhh |
| 15:52.20 | stew | Guerin: can you either use /ignore or make your case with an op? |
| 15:52.23 | KiaN | ok i have no solution i'm in trouble |
| 15:52.46 | KiaN | oh thanks for the /ignore advice, I almost forgot about it |
| 15:52.50 | stew | KiaN: did my suggestion not work? there may be ways to force this but i'm not familliar with them and i know they are not recommended |
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| 15:53.09 | Guerin | stew: the ops already know |
| 15:53.12 | stew | boinkder: if you are that new to linux you should probably just use the debian kernels and not bother compiling your own |
| 15:53.15 | KiaN | stew: did not work :( |
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| 15:53.42 | boinkder | strw: I used the debian kernels and it didn't work at all which is why I tried compiling my own. |
| 15:53.53 | boinkder | stew* |
| 15:53.53 | KiaN | stew even if i prefer to have a working webmin, it's not the point : my real problem is to get apt-get working :( |
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| 15:54.14 | KiaN | stew: because i need gcc and i dont have it |
| 15:54.25 | boinkder | stew: Thank you for your help, I am recompiling now with the OSS modules enabled this time. I appreciate all your replies and help. |
| 15:54.45 | stew | boinkder: i'm talking about CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL in the alsa section |
| 15:55.00 | azeem | KiaN: try to add "exit 0" at the of all files which match webmin*.prerm in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 15:55.08 | azeem | s/the of/the top of/ |
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| 15:55.21 | stew | KiaN: yeah what azeem said, i just relized you were having a problem with webmin-apache |
| 15:55.23 | boinkder | stew: I enabled all the OSS options I could find in the alsa section. |
| 15:55.40 | stew | boinkder: were they prviously enabled or did you just enable them now? |
| 15:55.45 | KiaN | azeem: wow a dozen files |
| 15:55.55 | azeem | KiaN: only the *prerm ones |
| 15:56.00 | KiaN | stew: not only this one, there a 4 modules with this pb |
| 15:56.00 | stew | KiaN: start with -apache and try the remove again |
| 15:56.06 | azeem | KiaN: or maybe only those for the ones which fail |
| 15:56.09 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.09 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.09 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.10 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.17 | azeem | bah |
| 15:56.17 | KiaN | stew: i tried to remove webmin-apache, had the same problem |
| 15:56.18 | boinkder | stew: They were all disabled previously I just enabled them now |
| 15:56.23 | stew | tell azeem about flood :) |
| 15:56.39 | azeem | I thought we increased the threshold to 6 lines ;) |
| 15:56.45 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:56.53 | stew | boinkder: i would recommend compiling them as modules (M) then added snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 15:56.53 | KiaN | ^^ |
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| 15:57.00 | threat | who likes dvr here? |
| 15:57.25 | azeem | KiaN: right, it's webmin-apache which gives you trouble, not webmin itself |
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| 15:57.45 | Lektron | Is this the correct place to ask questions about apt-get, or is there a different IRC channel for such questions? |
| 15:57.52 | azeem | threat: did you try #debian-offtopic for your urge-to-talk yet? |
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| 15:58.02 | azeem | Lektron: it is the right one |
| 15:58.23 | abrotman | azeem: hey! |
| 15:58.24 | stew | Lektron: as long as its with debian, if you are using a derivative such as ubuntu you should ask in a distro related channel |
| 15:58.33 | raden | anyone have any good links on cryptography ? |
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| 15:58.48 | Lektron | azeem: Thanks, I guess I'll wait awhile and ask the question again. |
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| 15:59.07 | azeem | Lektron: oh, you asked already and got no answer? |
| 15:59.12 | boinkder | stew: Yes, I added them as modules, and I will do that once all this finishes. (I always have a hard time with the mkinitrd part, the tutorials commands don't work I have to change it around a bit) |
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| 15:59.26 | kaloyan | hey |
| 15:59.28 | Lektron | yeah, but i see the channel is pretty busy with other stuff |
| 15:59.32 | stew | boinkder: oh are you not using make-kpkg? |
| 15:59.35 | stew | boinkder: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:59.43 | kaloyan | does anyone know what's up with the unstable kde? |
| 15:59.49 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 15:59.56 | kaloyan | they seems to not have kdeaddons |
| 16:00.01 | kaloyan | package |
| 16:00.09 | kaloyan | and kde depends on it |
| 16:00.13 | boinkder | stew: my teacher told me I should learn the non-debian way first. |
| 16:00.26 | azeem | Lektron: ah. Hit is basically "ah, I got the file already, no need to fetch it again" |
| 16:00.28 | BertoX | 666 users on #debian What the Hell :p |
| 16:00.38 | threat | LOL |
| 16:00.38 | BertoX | erf boogey sucker :/ |
| 16:00.39 | stew | boinkder: you shouldn't need an initrd with a custom compiled kernel, /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 16:00.56 | azeem | Lektron: Ign is "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway", that's usually for missing release files of private repos |
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| 16:01.10 | azeem | Lektron: Get simply means "Oh, I need that one, let's download" |
| 16:01.47 | boinkder | stew: If I don't need the initial RAMDISK, would I just remove that line from the bootloader? |
| 16:01.54 | KiaN | azeem: i should add exit 0 at the end or beginning of the files ? |
| 16:02.01 | Lektron | azeem: Thanks. I know that's a simple question, but I've searched a good bit, and had not found a simple answer. |
| 16:02.02 | azeem | KiaN: beginning |
| 16:02.22 | KiaN | oh ok |
| 16:02.27 | azeem | KiaN: well, after possible #!/bin/sh lines or so |
| 16:02.36 | stew | boinkder: yes, but you must make certain that you include drivers for your rootfs (ext3?) and your hard disk controller (liek a specific ide/scsi/sata driver) directly into your kernel (not as modules) |
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| 16:02.47 | azeem | KiaN: that will make dpkg exit successfully immediately and not execute the rest of the file, which is giving you trouble |
| 16:03.18 | boinkder | stew: ok, let me double check that. Thank you again for your help I appreciate this a lot |
| 16:03.32 | stew | KiaN: "exit 0" just makes the script terminate immediately and return no errors, therefore the script gets short circuited |
| 16:03.36 | poli | Does anyone know a package that will dump the USB communication (much like USB snoop)? |
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| 16:04.32 | azeem | poli: you'd need a kernel module for that, I'd guess |
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| 16:04.51 | azeem | unless the usb subsystem has a loggin facility, dunno |
| 16:04.58 | azeem | s/loggin/logging/ |
| 16:05.08 | blondie | login using usb! faster than ssh |
| 16:05.11 | stew | !ign is when apt-get outputs lines starting with "Ign:" it means "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway, i didn't need it", also "Hit:" means "i already had that file, no need to download" |
| 16:05.11 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 16:05.38 | poli | azeem: Let me see the kernel options on USB... |
| 16:06.00 | KiaN | azeem: stew now that i added exit 0 what should i do pleasde? |
| 16:06.11 | stew | KiaN: retry the apt-get remove |
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| 16:06.40 | KiaN | stew: it did not change anything |
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| 16:07.00 | jgould | !info tar |
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| 16:07.04 | robin_sz | mornig girls |
| 16:07.05 | FourierSeries | "DATE --SET" |
| 16:07.15 | azeem | KiaN: it still says /etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory ? |
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| 16:07.32 | dpkg | tar: (GNU tar), section utils, is required. Version: 1.15.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 738 kB, Installed size: 1792 kB |
| 16:07.53 | azeem | argh |
| 16:08.00 | azeem | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 16:08.01 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.06 | robin_sz | OK. so I just "upgraded" to a 2.6 kernel on Sarge, and when it boots it panoics after "cannot open dev/console no such file" then tries to kill init. Clooze? |
| 16:08.12 | stew | jgould: unless its relevant to discussion, kindly use /msg dpkg info tar |
| 16:08.19 | nixxie | is beep > xmms, =xmms or <xmms? looking for an alternative :) |
| 16:08.23 | jgould | sry |
| 16:08.31 | KiaN | still the same azaz_work |
| 16:08.34 | KiaN | i mean azeem |
| 16:09.02 | robin_sz | any clues as to how to cure that 2.6 kernel panic at boot then? |
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| 16:09.17 | azeem | KiaN: please paste the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-apache.prerm and /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-apache.postinst |
| 16:09.23 | jgould | in order to back up my home dir, I should be able to use the command tar -c * home.tar, Correct? |
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| 16:09.53 | FourierSeries | tar -czf backup_name.tar.gz /home/your_home_dir |
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| 16:10.16 | jgould | can't write to the home dir, that's waht I'm backing up |
| 16:10.19 | KiaN | azeem: /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-apache.prerm does not exist |
| 16:10.21 | boinkder | stew: Ok, going to see if I did all of this right and boot to the new kernel. Thank you again. |
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| 16:10.37 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
| 16:10.39 | azeem | KiaN: then please paste the error output from apt-get remove again |
| 16:10.42 | KiaN | stew: none of these 2 files exist |
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| 16:10.45 | KiaN | ok |
| 16:10.50 | robin_sz | surely a 2.6 kernel should just work no? |
| 16:10.58 | stedios | ok, i have cd1/2. but cd2 won't work |
| 16:10.59 | FourierSeries | jgould: maybe this: tar -czf /root/backupname.tar.gz /home/yourdir |
| 16:11.04 | Tharglet | Heya, having a problem with apt-get |
| 16:11.06 | stedios | is my installation ok ? |
| 16:11.18 | KiaN | azeem: seems that webmin-apache does not cause anymore problem |
| 16:11.20 | FourierSeries | jgould: that will "drop" the backup into the root dir |
| 16:11.21 | Tharglet | It's not getting stuff off the Debian FTPs |
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| 16:11.34 | KiaN | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1342 |
| 16:11.49 | blurggg | anyone know what the response code O means for cisco tftp ? |
| 16:11.51 | robin_sz | I presume 2.6.8.2 is current? |
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| 16:12.39 | jgould | FourierSeries: Right now, I'm just dropping it into /tmp It's going to go to the file server when I get done with it. I royally managed to screw this thing up last night |
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| 16:13.00 | Tharglet | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1343 is the error I'm getting |
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| 16:13.18 | darkness_ | Anyone here had internet connection issues when updating recently sarge to the latest kernel? |
| 16:13.28 | FourierSeries | jgould: /tmp shoudl be fine - although there was some discussion here about how /tmp is autmatically cleaned up on boot. |
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| 16:13.43 | stew | robin_sz: 2.6.8.2 was never released in debian afaik, the current in stable is 2.6.8-2 which is a patched 2.6.8.1, a new version of 2.6.8-2 was just released, refer to DSA 922-1 |
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| 16:13.46 | Konky^off | Hi |
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| 16:13.50 | FourierSeries | jgould: I like to make a "/BACKUPS" directory, and then use that. |
| 16:13.54 | Kluster_v2 | just installed gkrellm, it shows 197 processes running, top shows 64, is it normal ? |
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| 16:14.29 | FourierSeries | jgould: or maybe something like "/usr/local/backups" , anyway, you get the idea. |
| 16:14.36 | agel_ | |
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| 16:14.54 | jgould | I'm going to be partitioning this thing completely diffrent once i drop out of linux and into windows to use partition magic. Windows can live on a 10GB island |
| 16:14.59 | Tharglet | Is anyone reading what I am saying? |
| 16:15.19 | Konky | hi |
| 16:15.26 | poli | Tharglet: Not sure... |
| 16:15.31 | FourierSeries | jgould: Heh. I have a windows installation on a 1.0 g hda. It can live on even less ... |
| 16:15.33 | stedios | Tharglet: probably, but if noone knows the answer..they don't answer |
| 16:15.38 | Konky | How can i find the usb serialnumber of let's say /dev/sdc ? |
| 16:15.42 | Konky | 2.4 kernel |
| 16:15.44 | robin_sz | OK, so any clues as to why my nice fresh 2.6 kernel image panics aftrer "cannot find dev/console"?? |
| 16:15.52 | poli | Konky: serialnumber? |
| 16:15.54 | cahoot | Tharglet: youdid run apt-get update as suggested? |
| 16:15.59 | azeem | KiaN: try "apt-get remove webmin-apache webmin-core webmin-mysql webmin-postfix" |
| 16:16.03 | Konky | every usb device got a serialnumber |
| 16:16.12 | stew | Konky: try lsusb -v |
| 16:16.18 | poli | Konky: device number you mean... lsusb |
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| 16:16.30 | jgould | FourierSeries: I was running windows for about a year before coming back to linux, so I have a lot of crap over there |
| 16:16.50 | stedios | what are the chances of deian being able to detect/support my internal wifi card? |
| 16:16.51 | Tharglet | cahoot: That failed too, but with more errors of the same type |
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| 16:17.10 | Konky | hmm ok but lsusb gives me back bus 002 device 013 as example |
| 16:17.11 | FourierSeries | robin_sz: can you see your /dev/ directory? is there a "console" there? |
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| 16:17.16 | Tharglet | It just can't find a thing |
| 16:17.20 | KiaN | azeem: yeah !! it seems to have worked |
| 16:17.22 | jgould | stedios: It depends. I have a dell 1350 MiniPCI and I'm using ndiswrapper |
| 16:17.24 | Konky | i gota lof of usb devices, how can i see it's /dev/sdc (flash stick) |
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| 16:17.30 | stew | robin_sz: do you use either devfs or udev? |
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| 16:17.34 | KiaN | azeem: now you tking i can do a clean apt-get install webmin ? |
| 16:17.38 | poli | stedios: driver support is part of the kernel development, so, the true question is: when will Linux support my wifi card. |
| 16:17.39 | secureboot | is there any way to force make-kpkg to accept a kernel version with an uppercase letter? I'm trying to make-kpkg a xen kerne... which uses xenU in the version |
| 16:18.07 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 16:18.19 | poli | Konky: apt-get install usbutils usbview |
| 16:18.20 | cahoot | secureboot: why not make it lowercase? |
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| 16:18.37 | azeem | KiaN: do you still need webmin? |
| 16:18.38 | Lord | #debian-br |
| 16:18.38 | poli | Konky: Do a usbview inside X, you will get some useful information. |
| 16:18.39 | Konky | i'll try thanks |
| 16:18.47 | FourierSeries | I think "xinu" is a tradmark... |
| 16:18.50 | azeem | KiaN: then yes, probably, dunno |
| 16:18.51 | Konky | i need it on a very embedded box, so no X ^^ |
| 16:18.58 | stedios | crap, debian couldn't find a video driver for my card, what one to use? (generic one) |
| 16:19.00 | Tharglet | my apt-get is dead as a doorknob |
| 16:19.02 | secureboot | cahoot: because i want to install this package in the domU, and the kernel the domU uses has an uppercase version - thus, when it looks for modules, it'll look in lib/mobules/uppercase_kernel_version. but if the version is lowercase, it won't match, right? |
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| 16:19.11 | poli | Konky: a dmesg will help once you identify which device number got the /dev/sdc you are looking for. |
| 16:19.13 | Tharglet | :((( |
| 16:19.20 | KiaN | azeem: i have another wied problem : apt-get install gcc-3.0 seems to be installed |
| 16:19.29 | poli | Tharglet: Isn't it a /etc/apt/sources.list problem? |
| 16:19.34 | KiaN | azeem: still when i run an install script it says : |
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| 16:19.37 | Konky | that#s limited buffer, i got boxes running for months |
| 16:19.40 | KiaN | gcc ... no |
| 16:19.41 | KiaN | Please install gcc and restart the install |
| 16:19.54 | azeem | apt-get install gcc |
| 16:20.03 | Tharglet | can u choose what FTPs apt-get uses? That could be the issue I am having, cuz the FTPs that Debain has seem to have tantrums |
| 16:20.07 | stew | KiaN: apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:20.09 | poli | Konky: if you unplug and plug it back, you shall see the info at the end of dmesg |
| 16:20.18 | azeem | KiaN: or "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.0" prior to running ./configure |
| 16:20.19 | stew | Tharglet: apt-setup |
| 16:20.21 | Konky | yea not possible for my case |
| 16:21.06 | poli | Konky: lsusb -v and look for a device class mass storage device |
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| 16:21.37 | jgould | Am I supposed to see garbled data flying by on my tar command? |
| 16:21.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: when are you home ? in how much hours? |
| 16:21.45 | KiaN | azeem: thanks it worked ! |
| 16:21.48 | KiaN | thanks a lot :) |
| 16:21.48 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:21.49 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
| 16:21.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: lately .. another 8 hours :) |
| 16:21.54 | stedios | bah |
| 16:21.56 | stedios | i put kde in, |
| 16:22.00 | stedios | startx don't work? |
| 16:22.00 | FourierSeries | jgould: what command did you use? |
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| 16:22.24 | poli | stedios: should work... |
| 16:22.26 | atarimaster | has anyone tested "sarge" on an IBM t23 |
| 16:22.30 | stedios | gonna reboot |
| 16:22.39 | cahoot | secureboot: seems uppercase conflicts with debian pkg rules (as per the the make-kpkg script) |
| 16:22.41 | stew | atarimaster: yes man people |
| 16:22.45 | stew | many* |
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| 16:22.59 | stedios | poli: well, problem is it didn't detect my vid card, so i picked 'vga' , any connection? ;0 |
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| 16:23.03 | Tharglet | ah, HTTP sources seem to work. Found one that works at speed |
| 16:23.04 | robin_sz | bah |
| 16:23.12 | stedios | it said "0 screens found' |
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| 16:23.18 | robin_sz | poxy kernel :( |
| 16:23.23 | atarimaster | G2G |
| 16:23.30 | poli | stedios: you did have X running before? |
| 16:23.35 | stedios | no |
| 16:23.36 | stew | stedios: what card do you have? |
| 16:23.37 | g3brown | When you initially setup Sarge, you go through a network configuration where you specify, computer name, ip, etc. Is there a command to run that again on a running system? |
| 16:23.39 | jgould | FourierSeries: I think it was tar -c -gzip * /tmp/homt.tar |
| 16:23.44 | jgould | -t+3 |
| 16:23.46 | jgould | er e |
| 16:23.47 | boinkder | stew: I feel stupid, it worked now, but I have another question. I tried modprobe snd-oss-pcm and it couldn't find it, I might have typed it wrong. Was that it? |
| 16:23.55 | stedios | stew: one sec, i just got this laptop (dell), but i got a dump of all my chipsets on this pc, let me check |
| 16:24.07 | stew | boinkder: snd-pcm-oss |
| 16:24.15 | stew | stedios: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 16:24.20 | secureboot | cahoot: indeed - i wondered if i could force around it |
| 16:24.33 | boinkder | stew: That one says command not found as well. |
| 16:24.36 | agel_ | i am win user... :-(( |
| 16:24.37 | FourierSeries | jgould: Ok. And what directory are you in now? ( command "pwd" ) |
| 16:24.48 | jgould | er els |
| 16:24.50 | stedios | " vga: driver can't support depth 24" |
| 16:24.51 | stedios | hm |
| 16:24.53 | boinkder | stew: I ran alsaconf and I got the sound to work, but I think I will have to do that everytime I reboot. |
| 16:24.56 | Tharglet | Grr! It's still trying to use the UK FTP for the file xfers |
| 16:24.59 | poli | agel_: don't cry, you can change that. |
| 16:25.03 | jgould | I think It's my home dir |
| 16:25.13 | stedios | how to change my depth ? |
| 16:25.19 | agel_ | poli: i trying.. :-) |
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| 16:25.29 | stew | boinkder: you shouldn't have to. if you do, you should just have to add the names of the modules to /etc/modules |
| 16:25.31 | cahoot | secureboot: I suspect you'll have problems with dpkg later on if you do (speculation) |
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| 16:25.36 | FourierSeries | jgould: Ok. And your home directory is "/home", yes? |
| 16:25.37 | poli | agel_: Good. :) |
| 16:25.39 | stedios | oh, and also "intel corp mobile graphics controller rev 03" |
| 16:26.06 | jgould | FourierSeries: no, It's /home/jgould |
| 16:26.15 | boinkder | stew: Ok thank you, I was using the knoppix-installer installed version and I had to do it every time. So I assumed I probably would with this one as well. But now I know what I need to do to fix that. Thanks again |
| 16:26.18 | Tharglet | It's always complaining there is no route to host, is apt get? |
| 16:26.30 | FourierSeries | jgould: Ok! now do this command "cd /tmp" |
| 16:26.38 | poli | Tharglet: no, it is clearly a network problem. |
| 16:26.39 | Tharglet | I can access the internet and any other FTPs, but none of the ones apt-get uses it seems to like |
| 16:26.42 | FourierSeries | jgould: lemmie know when you are ready ... |
| 16:26.46 | stew | boinkder: oh you are running knoppix? |
| 16:26.53 | poli | Tharglet: Possibly the mirrors you are picking are down. |
| 16:26.54 | jgould | FourierSeries |
| 16:26.57 | jgould | FourierSeries ok |
| 16:27.01 | boinkder | No, not anymore. I am running Debian 3.1 now |
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| 16:27.23 | stew | stedios: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and try the i810 driver |
| 16:27.30 | FourierSeries | jgould: now do this command: "tar -czf /tmp/home.tar.gz /home/jgould" |
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| 16:27.40 | poli | Tharglet: You can change it with apt-setup or manually editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:27.50 | audi | hI gUys, for a guy that install for the first time a linux system, wich is better? Ubuntu, Kubuntu or what? |
| 16:27.57 | poli | stew: Had lots of problems with i810 and a HP pavilion last weekend. :( |
| 16:27.57 | FourierSeries | jgould: the "z" part of the command does the gzip part for you. |
| 16:28.03 | stedios | bus identifier... |
| 16:28.07 | poli | audi: Debian |
| 16:28.08 | audi | is KDE more easy of Gnome or not? |
| 16:28.22 | audi | poli debian is too hard for a guy that install it for the first time |
| 16:28.25 | poli | audi: get them both and decide for yourself |
| 16:28.27 | Coweater | no it isn't |
| 16:28.29 | stedios | stew: bus identifier? |
| 16:28.38 | stew | audi: i think KDE is more familiar to windows users and maybe gnome for mac users |
| 16:28.43 | audi | ok |
| 16:28.45 | stew | stedios: leave it blank |
| 16:28.45 | aeronadix | is gentoo debian based? |
| 16:28.48 | audi | thanks you stew |
| 16:28.53 | poli | aeronadix: gee nooo |
| 16:28.55 | stew | aeronadix: no |
| 16:28.57 | sohmestra | aeronadix: no |
| 16:29.01 | zerve_the_death | aeronadix, no |
| 16:29.13 | aeronadix | which ones are debian based? |
| 16:29.13 | jgould | FourierSeries: Thanks. That's one thing that wouldn't hurt to know how to do. |
| 16:29.16 | Tharglet | poli - That is what I thought. But the bog-standard FTP can get to the one(s) I've tried |
| 16:29.25 | stew | aeronadix: http://distrowatch.com |
| 16:29.34 | Coweater | aeronadix: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 16:29.45 | FourierSeries | jgould: No problem! Also ... do this command to check out the archive you have just created ... ( wait one ) |
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| 16:29.51 | aeronadix | thanks |
| 16:30.01 | FourierSeries | jgould: "tar -tzf /tmp/home.tar.gz" |
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| 16:30.04 | poli | Tharglet: You might have the wrong path configured, then. |
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| 16:30.15 | aeronadix | oh, I was mistaking gentoo for ubunto |
| 16:30.22 | FourierSeries | jgould: that should give you a list of what you just backed up |
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| 16:30.53 | Kernel-Kris | anyone have any suggestions for installing debian from FreeBSD .... though IP KVM at a COLO |
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| 16:31.03 | jgould | FourierSeries: It has to get done first (I think my home dir is on the order of a gig or so |
| 16:31.07 | boinkder | stew: Sorry for bothering you again, but how would I know what the name of the module is I should add in the /etc/modules file? |
| 16:31.34 | FourierSeries | jgould: right, your command prompt will be "locked up" while it does the original backup command. |
| 16:31.37 | stedios | damit |
| 16:31.56 | boinkder | stew: I ran lsmod and it pulled up about 9 different snd_* modules |
| 16:32.06 | jgould | FourierSeries: that's why I'm in X and have 3 xterms open |
| 16:32.07 | stedios | startx: "no matching device section for instance (busid pci:0:2:1) found, no devices detect" |
| 16:32.22 | stew | boinkder: alsaconf should make it such that you really don't need to do anything, but if you find that you need to run alsaconf at every boot, figure out which driver it is loading for your card (lsmod | grep snd) and add that to /etc/modules, something like snd-emu10k1 or snd-intex8x0 |
| 16:32.26 | poli | stedios: did you write the busid by hand? |
| 16:32.31 | sohmestra | hmm. takes 5 minutes to get a password prompt from my router (ssh), and a long time from the console too, though I didn't time it. |
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| 16:32.44 | Tharglet | How do u remove sources from the apt list? |
| 16:32.44 | stedios | left it blank : poli |
| 16:32.46 | sohmestra | cpu utilization is low, |
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| 16:33.01 | sohmestra | io wait state is low |
| 16:33.02 | stew | stedios: try it again but specify PCI:0:2:1 |
| 16:33.11 | Tharglet | I went edit by hand, but I had no clue how to save the dang file |
| 16:33.13 | boinkder | stew: it is the snd-intel8x0, and it isn't in the modules file. I appreciate your help. Thank you yet again. |
| 16:33.20 | sohmestra | memory usage is low |
| 16:33.20 | FourierSeries | jgould: few more questions, so that I know that I did not steer you wrong. You are going to be replacing this whole shindig with windows, yes? |
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| 16:33.29 | stew | boinkder: you're welcome |
| 16:33.30 | stedios | not recognized format |
| 16:33.37 | poli | Tharglet: Using which editor? |
| 16:33.37 | stedios | pci:0:2:1 |
| 16:33.50 | hans0lo | anyone know of an easy video editing application for Debian that will handle AVI files? |
| 16:33.53 | Tharglet | ARGH! It claims the file is already open, I killed the terminal.... |
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| 16:33.59 | Kernel-Kris | anyone have any suggestions for installing debian from FreeBSD .... though IP KVM at a COLO |
| 16:34.06 | Tharglet | does "VIM" lurk or something? |
| 16:34.06 | atarimaster | how does chocolate work!!!!!! |
| 16:34.07 | poli | Tharglet: Which editor? |
| 16:34.08 | kano4prez | sorry, anyone familiarwith TWiki under Debian ? |
| 16:34.24 | stew | stedios: did you try PCI:0:2:1? |
| 16:34.28 | poli | kano4prez: got it running once a long time ago... |
| 16:34.32 | jgould | FourierSeries: No. If you were in here earlier this morning, I royally managed to screw the thing up, I'm reinstalling. (And giving my self more swap too) |
| 16:34.34 | FourierSeries | atarimaster: try the #gradma channel ... |
| 16:34.42 | Coweater | hans0lo: avidemux, i think it it's on marillat |
| 16:34.48 | Tharglet | poli: It puts me into a terminal window, and the name of the program running in it seems to be VIM |
| 16:34.58 | hans0lo | Coweater: thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 16:35.07 | Tharglet | And that's not my editor of choice - I've never heard of it |
| 16:35.21 | Tharglet | ah, seen where it says the file lives |
| 16:35.27 | stedios | stew: will try that now |
| 16:35.33 | poli | Tharglet: to remove a full line, type dd to save <ESC> :wq |
| 16:35.33 | FourierSeries | jgould: Ah. Ok. Now, very important, you *must* move that /tmp/home.tar.gz file to a safe location *before* your reinstall. Otherwise you *will* lose it. |
| 16:35.37 | kano4prez | poli: after playing with it a little while it seemengly lost all of the CSS formatting. Any ideas ? Restoring the tars from /usr/share/doc/twiki did not help :( |
| 16:35.39 | atarimaster | Do YOU think the World is F.L.A.T. ????????? |
| 16:35.40 | stedios | er, nvm i did do that |
| 16:36.19 | poli | kano4prez: did you install the twiki package? |
| 16:36.34 | jgould | FourierSeries It's going to go upstream to the server (Also a debian machine, running Sarge) and I'm going to clean this drive up a little bit |
| 16:36.35 | azeem | atarimaster: this channel is about the Debian operating system, see http://www.debian.org |
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| 16:36.56 | azeem | atarimaster: if you have no questions about Debian or cannot other user's questions, please do not talk off-topic |
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| 16:36.58 | poli | atarimaster: only on tuesdays... the rest of the week I think it is a cube |
| 16:36.59 | kano4prez | poli: yes very good package |
| 16:37.13 | kano4prez | poli: I am on an unstable system |
| 16:37.16 | FourierSeries | jgould: Ok, so you are going to move that file to another, seperate, debian box, yes? |
| 16:37.28 | atarimaster | once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404. |
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| 16:37.56 | Tharglet | Well banned :) |
| 16:37.58 | yearly | how do i make the terminal stop making beeping noises ? |
| 16:38.05 | tarzeau | yearly: x or console? |
| 16:38.10 | tarzeau | !nobeep |
| 16:38.11 | yearly | both |
| 16:38.16 | azeem | atarimaster: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to a pretty bad signal/noise ratio |
| 16:38.17 | petemc | !bell |
| 16:38.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 16:38.27 | Konky | hahaha bad snr |
| 16:38.39 | jgould | FourierSeries: Yes, Probably via FTP (May do NFS if I feel like setting up my home dir as an export on the box.) It's inside the local lan so it's going to be 100mbit upload |
| 16:38.43 | eschur | Is there a way I can launch a vlm script through a bat file on windows or sh file on unix? |
| 16:38.46 | poli | azeem: wasn't it a ban? |
| 16:38.47 | eschur | I dont want to have to interactively telnet it |
| 16:38.52 | yearly | how do i mke it stick ? |
| 16:39.08 | azeem | poli: people who are +b but still in the chan are muted |
| 16:39.19 | eschur | well anyway why does apt-get not upgreade all my packages it always keeps some back and I have to tell it explicitly |
| 16:39.24 | FourierSeries | jgould: Ok, good. Sorry for the plodding on my part, it's more for my peace of mind ;-) |
| 16:39.37 | poli | azeem: hum... nice new feature... I knew of +q, but this seems better. :) |
| 16:39.43 | yearly | how do i make the no beep option a default ? |
| 16:39.55 | tarzeau | yearly: cut the damn pc speaker cable |
| 16:40.00 | tarzeau | and send it back to IBM |
| 16:40.03 | visik7 | yearly: setterm |
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| 16:40.32 | jgould | FourierSeries: That's ok. I'd rather anwser a bunch of questions and learn something new than have not asked in the first place. to do the list it's tar -tzf /tmp/home.tar.gz, correct |
| 16:40.37 | Tharglet | Woo! Finally got it to use the http! |
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| 16:40.57 | yearly | tarzeau why dont you cut your finger of and send the keayboard to ibm ? |
| 16:41.13 | ma3x | how do I view the contents of a .tar file? tar -t file.tar won't work. |
| 16:41.15 | FourierSeries | jgould: Yep. You will see a listing of the file. Could be a *long* list tho' |
| 16:41.15 | pok | for some reason i can't seem to ping my lo (local loopback) adapter on my debian pc, any idea how to do a 'clean' network config? |
| 16:41.19 | tarzeau | yearly: that's not going to turn off the beep |
| 16:41.46 | yearly | the beep is my problem you sick jokes is yours |
| 16:41.55 | petemc | pok: can you "ping 0" ? |
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| 16:42.08 | cheal | pok: what does $ /sbin/ifconfig lo; output? |
| 16:42.10 | ma3x | hellooooooooo |
| 16:42.12 | FourierSeries | jgould: you may also wish to try: "tar -tzf home.tar.gz > home.txt" and then open "home.txt" in an editor for a leasurely check. |
| 16:42.17 | pok | petemc : gives me invalid arugment |
| 16:42.26 | jgould | FourierSeries: Seeing as the file as grown to 850MB It'll be a long list |
| 16:42.32 | kspath | halllloooooo ma3x |
| 16:42.45 | nixxie | ma3x, tar -tvf file |
| 16:42.54 | kano4prez | other TWiki experts out there please ? |
| 16:42.57 | ma3x | thanks nixxie |
| 16:42.59 | ma3x | hi ks |
| 16:43.04 | yang | Anyone knows how to reformat this find . -type f -exec rename -n 's/[~]/_/g' {} \; to remove all characters like ~ and ` |
| 16:43.05 | pok | cheal : gives me a bunch of zero's in all the fields except MTU no ip addy |
| 16:43.15 | petemc | pok: add "auto lo /n iface lo inet loopback" to /etc/network/interfaves |
| 16:43.17 | petemc | faces |
| 16:43.51 | cheal | pok: try ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:44.10 | tarzeau | yearly: it's not a joke |
| 16:44.15 | pok | petemc : there is no /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:44.20 | tarzeau | yearly: people disconnect or cut the ibm pc speaker cable |
| 16:44.21 | pok | petemc : should i create it? |
| 16:44.31 | kano4prez | I just installed from netinst with only base files and only manual selection but nevertheless I got Gnome desktop. I want to get rid of it and only have XFCE as my win manager. What safe way of doing so ? |
| 16:44.31 | tarzeau | yearly: for the pretty same reason you have right now |
| 16:44.34 | petemc | pok: are you using debian? |
| 16:44.39 | yearly | tarzeau i bet you did it your self |
| 16:44.42 | nixxie | yang: i suggest making a script and doing find . -type f -exec script {} \; |
| 16:44.48 | Tharglet | Does anyone else have problems with Debian, FTP and package managers? I've found an HTTP that works, but I'm just curious |
| 16:44.48 | tarzeau | yearly: no i know how to turn it off by software |
| 16:44.55 | pok | petemc : yup |
| 16:45.00 | yearly | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.21 | petemc | pok: i find it hard to imagine how you installed debian without adding an interfaces file.. |
| 16:45.33 | petemc | pok: what version of debian? |
| 16:45.34 | tarzeau | yearly: what do you want to say? |
| 16:45.36 | pok | cheal : ok, that give lo an ip of 127.0.0.1 (as expected), now what? |
| 16:45.40 | pok | petemc : 3.1 |
| 16:45.45 | pok | petemc : did a net install |
| 16:45.46 | cheal | pok: now can you ping it? |
| 16:45.52 | tarzeau | !remove gnome |
| 16:45.52 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 16:45.52 | FourierSeries | Tharglet: I've had no problems with the FTP sites; but, are you able to do a "normal" ftp using an ftp client? |
| 16:45.55 | tarzeau | kano4prez: for you |
| 16:46.09 | petemc | pok: i corrected myself previously - its interfaces , not interfaves |
| 16:46.13 | yearly | ive said it didnt you get it ? |
| 16:46.15 | tarzeau | Tharglet: do you have some strange firewall? |
| 16:46.21 | Tharglet | FourierSeries: Yes - I've done so to the servers themselves, just to check they are alive |
| 16:46.29 | pok | petemc : yea, i know - there is no int.... in /etc/network only if-... |
| 16:46.40 | kano4prez | thank you tarzeau |
| 16:46.41 | pok | cheal : yea, can ping myself now |
| 16:46.43 | Tharglet | tarzeau: I don't have one on, barring my router, which doesn't block any other FTP traffic |
| 16:46.45 | yang | nixxie: i dont know how to make script |
| 16:47.03 | pok | cheal: will it 'stay' now when i reboot or have to do it again? |
| 16:47.06 | tarzeau | Tharglet: maybe your particular mirror has a problem w/ ftp |
| 16:47.06 | FourierSeries | Tharglet: I'm thinking it's an "active/passive" transfer thing. I an not sure how to change the settings for apt-get, etc. |
| 16:47.21 | jgould | When I'm installing, I have the option to chose lilo, correct? (Just say no to grub) |
| 16:47.26 | nixxie | yang: ask in #bash |
| 16:47.32 | tarzeau | jgould: i'd pick GRUB |
| 16:47.32 | FourierSeries | Tharglet: And it may just be the one mirror you are using... |
| 16:47.37 | KiaN | i'd pick grub too |
| 16:47.38 | Tharglet | tarzeau: As I've said, any other FTP xfer is fine, it's just the package manager(s) have trouble |
| 16:47.51 | Tharglet | FourierSeries: Nah, I connected to it and it was fine, and I tried others |
| 16:47.56 | tarzeau | Tharglet: ah to the same place, i didn't get that |
| 16:47.59 | jgould | can you set the console resolution to 1024x768 in grub? |
| 16:48.01 | cheal | pok: no, you'll have to do it again until you fix /etc/network/interfaces. what's your internet connection? |
| 16:48.15 | tarzeau | jgould: yes that's possible |
| 16:48.25 | tarzeau | jgould: but the kernel does it, not grub |
| 16:48.28 | FourierSeries | Tharglet: you probably already said; but, what package manager are you using? |
| 16:48.36 | Tharglet | My first thought was that the FTP server(s) were dead, but I can happily browse them using the default FTP in Debian |
| 16:49.04 | pok | cheal: internet connection is through another pc. gonna go look if i can't find a copy /etc/network/interfaces some where |
| 16:49.06 | Tharglet | FourierSeries: apt-get has had no success, and Synaptic only works half the time |
| 16:49.40 | FourierSeries | Tharglet: lemmie "man" apt-get for a moment ( btw I use aptitude ) |
| 16:49.47 | jgould | I still need to mess with the partition tables so I need to reinstall any way. I'll be back later every one. |
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| 16:49.59 | FourierSeries | jgould: good luck! |
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| 16:50.36 | pi-meson | Is there a how-to or faq someplace for "how do I take a package that's sitting in experimental and make it work on sarge?" |
| 16:50.48 | tarzeau | !simple backport |
| 16:51.00 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 16:51.00 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 16:51.09 | dwh | is there a way I can tell GCC to compile for i686 in Debian rather than i386? |
| 16:51.09 | tarzeau | pi-meson: that also applies to experimental |
| 16:51.20 | pi-meson | tarzeau: Oh, awesome, thanks! |
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| 16:51.28 | pok | cheal : is 'iface lo inet loopback' sufficient for lo in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:51.54 | cheal | pok: I think so. can you link to that file? |
| 16:52.07 | pok | cheal : link? |
| 16:52.20 | cheal | allow us to inspect it |
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| 16:52.49 | dwh | is there a Debian-ized version of "gcc-config"? I can't seem to find anything useful by parsing through apt-cache search output. |
| 16:52.56 | pok | cheal : ahh, not atm. network still down between that pc and this one. dunno why thou |
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| 16:53.13 | FourierSeries | Tharglet: Hmm.. I still think it is a "passive/active" setting thingie. I'm not really sure though. It least you can hit the "http" mirrors. |
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| 16:53.44 | cheal | pok: does # /etc/init.d/networking restart; seem to behave normally? |
| 16:54.05 | huhmz | Is there a way I can tell linux to only use a certain range of my RAM? I have a 1 Gig memory stick where the last 32MB is bad and it would be a shame not to be able to use it. Is this doable? |
| 16:54.10 | pok | cheal : rebooting now :) |
| 16:54.32 | FourierSeries | Tharglet: I have had problems in the past with ftp mirrors. Switching to another always fixed it tho' |
| 16:54.34 | cisee | huhmz: only partition the first 1000 megs |
| 16:55.24 | petemc | partition ram? |
| 16:55.32 | cahoot | huhmz: http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ - ?? |
| 16:55.32 | petemc | oh, memory stick |
| 16:55.40 | poli | when I apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 do I get the configuration for the vanilla install by default? If not, how can I get the vanilla config? |
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| 16:56.27 | kano4prez | !remove gnome |
| 16:56.28 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 16:56.34 | _NiC | I'm having some trouble upgrading postgresql from 7.3.4 to 7.4.7 (stable). Apt-get failed during the configuration of postgresql, and now the package is "broken or not fully installed" - any ideas? |
| 16:56.38 | poli | Or the running config, at least. vanilla does not seem to give me the config in /proc |
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| 16:57.35 | tarzeau | takatumi: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ check the Wireless? one |
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| 16:58.13 | FourierSeries | !attack gnome with club |
| 16:58.18 | FourierSeries | durn |
| 16:58.27 | tmjb | i am building firebird2 via dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot i got problem that i am bulding on amd64 but dsc file always change to i386 and breaks the build ? |
| 16:58.31 | tarzeau | FourierSeries: you can find more gnome haters in the #nethack club |
| 16:58.39 | poli | azeem: just to mention, it seems that you can enable a usb snoop in the kernel config and then make klogd verbose enough to show the communication |
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| 16:58.53 | FourierSeries | tarzeau: lol, actually I use gnome... |
| 16:58.54 | tarzeau | FourierSeries: very funny if you call monsters GNOME and KDE wearing a ring of conflict |
| 16:59.01 | FourierSeries | lol |
| 16:59.02 | yearly | !stab FourierSeries |
| 16:59.13 | yearly | LOL |
| 16:59.18 | FourierSeries | ;-) |
| 16:59.27 | azeem | poli: ah, nice |
| 16:59.36 | Tharglet | FourierSeries: Thanx for the help. I'll just stick with the HTTP mirror then |
| 16:59.50 | FourierSeries | Tharglet: your welcome. |
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| 17:01.01 | poli | azeem: but I need to get the vanilla kernel config to enable snoop |
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| 17:01.20 | warreng | the squirrelmail package has a dependency on php4... i have php5 installed and "apt-get install squirrelmail" is trying to uninstall 5 and install 4.... how do i tell it NOT to do that? |
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| 17:02.05 | sohmestra | has anyone seen behavior like this before: when i run ls, it takes 88 seconds to run. if i run: time ls, it runs at normal speed. |
| 17:02.46 | debiankid | hi again |
| 17:02.51 | kingsley | Evidently everyone on #debian yesterday refrained from flooding, posting duplicate lines and excessive use of upper case. Cool. |
| 17:03.09 | debiankid | any1 know how to run windows aplications under wine ? |
| 17:03.36 | FourierSeries | debiankid: Yes. They are located in #winehq. |
| 17:03.41 | SlayerXP | debiankid: no, now shove off. |
| 17:03.44 | com-0 | i'm using dhcpd and defined a subnet... can i specify a certain pc not to take the dns entries from the subnet options |
| 17:04.01 | com-0 | meaning that that pc will only take dynamic ip only... |
| 17:04.03 | cheal | warreng: you don't, since it was already told |
| 17:04.08 | kingsley | debiankid: My recollection is that you type something like "wine windows/program.exe" at the command line. |
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| 17:04.41 | kingsley | debiankid: Here's the big but. But, wine isn't reliable. |
| 17:05.15 | lunitik | kingsley: actually... its getting pretty reliable... |
| 17:05.43 | lunitik | kingsley: I've yet to find something the 0.9.x series won't run reliably... |
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| 17:06.06 | lunitik | (granted I don't use things like MSOffice...) |
| 17:06.09 | doublehp | how are called those driver loader for windows binaries ? |
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| 17:06.41 | lunitik | FourierSeries: main reason I have it around is to play PokerStars... |
| 17:06.54 | kingsley | lunitik: Interesting. I haven't tried wine since version 0.0.20050310-1.1. |
| 17:07.12 | FourierSeries | lunitik: way I heard it, it will run Moo2. That may be reason enough for me. |
| 17:07.19 | lunitik | kingsley: thats almost a year old... lots of stuff has happened since then... |
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| 17:07.42 | BullWeivel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.51 | pitillo | hi, anyone using radeon module with xorg and has acceleration activated? |
| 17:07.58 | saloxin | BullWeivel: host ip.nu.mb.er |
| 17:08.08 | KLD | hiya .. I'm trying to install new kernel on laptop and keep getting this error .. what does it mean I need |
| 17:08.08 | KLD | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2.6.14.4 on running kernel 2.6.8-2-686 in /usr/sbin/mkinitrd /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs |
| 17:08.12 | kakarot | hi, i'm trying to make ucspi-tcp-src whith build-ucspi-tcp, but i get dpkg-source: signal 11, can anybody help me? |
| 17:08.33 | BullWeivel | saloxin: how can i pull the entire range though? example gettin 192.168.0.0-192.168.0.254 (yeah i know non routeables..just an example) |
| 17:09.10 | naphex | pitillo: yes. On etch, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didi it work automagically for me. |
| 17:09.18 | pitillo | or that module hasn?t acceleration? |
| 17:09.21 | debiankid | kingsley> i did but on the linux console he shows many 0000dsdsjdhsdjf |
| 17:09.34 | KLD | f~FourierSeries, I know it has something to do with initrd .. just not sure what |
| 17:09.35 | lunitik | KLD: install yaird |
| 17:09.46 | KLD | ohhhh |
| 17:10.00 | pitillo | i tried to make the xorg.conf configuration manually, and it load succesfully, but without acceleration |
| 17:10.07 | KLD | now I recall |
| 17:10.16 | KLD | f~lunaphyte, thnx :D |
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| 17:10.58 | debiankid | this is the error show me the wine program |
| 17:11.09 | debiankid | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1344 |
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| 17:11.26 | debiankid | how can i execute the program ? |
| 17:11.46 | lunitik | debiankid: what application? what version of wine? |
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| 17:12.02 | BullWeivel | hrmm... host -l domain.com shows everything within a zone... wondering why i cant get reverse dns that way too |
| 17:12.11 | kakarot | hi, i'm trying to make ucspi-tcp-src whith build-ucspi-tcp, but i get dpkg-source: signal 11, can anybody help me? |
| 17:12.15 | debiankid | lunitik i tell you now wait let me chek |
| 17:12.49 | lunitik | debhelper: do what this says: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb |
| 17:12.49 | lunitik | debhelper: then try again... |
| 17:12.58 | debiankid | lunitik this is my version Wine 20050310 |
| 17:13.17 | lunitik | debiankid: yeah... thats old... do what I just said |
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| 17:15.19 | BullWeivel | does anyone have a reverse DNS file I can use as an example ??? looking for bind9 reverse DNS |
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| 17:15.33 | debiankid | ok i have here other wine versions |
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| 17:16.10 | lunitik | debiankid: just upgrade... it'll upgrade to version 0.9.3 |
| 17:16.47 | debiankid | lunitik i have here wine-dev_0.9.3-winehq-1_i386.deb |
| 17:17.00 | debiankid | lunitik how can i upgrade ? |
| 17:17.02 | ZiX | dpkg: fuck debiankid |
| 17:17.05 | ZiX | xD |
| 17:17.35 | lunitik | debiankid: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:17.40 | FourierSeries | wow |
| 17:18.26 | debiankid | lunitik i dont have direct internet connection i have the packcage wine-dev_0.9.3-winehq-1_i386.deb here on my desk what i do with him ? |
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| 17:18.44 | ZiX | dpkg: fuck you |
| 17:18.47 | ZiX | xD |
| 17:18.51 | ZiX | i discovered that |
| 17:18.51 | ZiX | xD |
| 17:18.58 | lunitik | debhelper: nothing... you grabbed the wrong version :/ |
| 17:19.04 | lgn | hello. has anyone been having problems with cryptsetup since last night's update which uses device-mapper 1.02? |
| 17:19.59 | lunitik | debiankid: get one that doesn't say '-dev' :/ |
| 17:19.59 | lunitik | FourierSeries: :) |
| 17:20.24 | debiankid | lunitik take a look to this paste and tell me the rigth one |
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| 17:21.10 | debiankid | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1345 |
| 17:21.43 | lunitik | debiankid: wine_0.9.3-winehq-1_i386.deb install that |
| 17:21.53 | lunitik | debhelper: why the hell did you download them all? |
| 17:22.36 | debiankid | lunitik installing .... |
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| 17:23.34 | debiankid | lunitik error chek this http://channels.debian.net/paste/1346 |
| 17:24.45 | lunitik | debiankid: meh :/ |
| 17:24.49 | blondie | mew |
| 17:24.55 | lunitik | debiankid: install the package it says :/ |
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| 17:25.52 | FourierSeries | debiankid: Right. you need to install "libxxf86dga1" ,whatever that is ... |
| 17:25.57 | debiankid | lunitik yep :/ |
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| 17:26.19 | lunitik | debiankid: its compiled against xorg... if you're using xfree86 you're gonna have issues :/ |
| 17:26.30 | lunitik | FourierSeries: its an xorg package |
| 17:26.44 | debiankid | grr im usign xfree86 |
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| 17:27.03 | debiankid | lunitik kde being more specific |
| 17:27.18 | Zmanu | hi |
| 17:27.26 | pitillo | hi, anyone using radeon module with xorg and has acceleration activated? or there isn?t acceleration with that driver? |
| 17:27.29 | grass-root | hi |
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| 17:27.37 | FourierSeries | here we go ... 0.9.3-wine ... |
| 17:27.38 | lunitik | debhelper: KDE has little to do with the xserver :/ |
| 17:27.59 | grass-root | I like GNOME... :-) |
| 17:28.06 | Zmanu | I want to know if I use a AMD 64 bit instead of a AMD 32 bit, must I change something in my sarge, or can I use it without change anything ? |
| 17:28.11 | lunitik | grass-root: no one cares |
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| 17:28.13 | krikke | hi |
| 17:28.23 | krikke | how can I disable a service to boot on startup |
| 17:28.32 | krikke | so that I can turn it to enable if I want to |
| 17:28.36 | grass-root | :-( |
| 17:28.52 | debiankid | them what i have to do now ? to make run my wine ? |
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| 17:28.59 | FourierSeries | hm... "wine depends on libxxf86dga1, which is unavailible." Ok. I'm done. |
| 17:29.14 | lunitik | FourierSeries: quitter |
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| 17:29.24 | robersonfox | blz? |
| 17:29.29 | huhmz | cahoot: thank you for that links |
| 17:29.31 | huhmz | -s |
| 17:29.52 | lunitik | FourierSeries: you're running stable too? *shudder* |
| 17:30.04 | nukeu666 | fourier:apt-get install libxxf86dga-dev |
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| 17:30.09 | Zmanu | nobody try to do what I want to do |
| 17:30.21 | lunitik | nukeu666: he doesn't need the -dev package :/ |
| 17:30.36 | lunitik | nukeu666: he's installing a binary package :/ |
| 17:31.01 | nukeu666 | hmm...k |
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| 17:32.02 | debiankid | help i need somebudy help with my wine running |
| 17:32.47 | aeronadix | Arnold "stop wining" |
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| 17:33.09 | krikke | how can I disable a service from init.d |
| 17:33.11 | aeronadix | your not supposed ask to help, you supposed to just ask somethign |
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| 17:33.15 | krikke | so I can enable it afterwards |
| 17:33.24 | Stereo | krikke: chmod -x /etc/init.d/foo |
| 17:33.32 | krikke | thx |
| 17:33.56 | krikke | what does -x stand for |
| 17:34.03 | pearl | RinzeWind: -execute |
| 17:34.06 | pearl | krikke: ... |
| 17:34.08 | Stereo | not executale |
| 17:34.19 | Stereo | executable |
| 17:34.21 | krikke | and how can I make it executable again |
| 17:34.27 | pearl | chmod +x? |
| 17:34.28 | pearl | :P |
| 17:34.32 | krikke | ow :) |
| 17:34.34 | krikke | smart :P |
| 17:34.34 | Stereo | you use the man option in front of chmod |
| 17:34.35 | krikke | yeah |
| 17:34.44 | krikke | ok |
| 17:34.47 | krikke | it's because |
| 17:34.51 | krikke | I installed a 32mb ram |
| 17:34.54 | Knorrie | krikke: or look at update-rc.d |
| 17:35.03 | aeronadix | woow nelly |
| 17:35.05 | krikke | but when he loads lots of services, he has no memory left :P |
| 17:35.11 | nukeu666 | debiankid:u need wine for games or other stuff? |
| 17:35.12 | Stereo | in front, FourierSeries! |
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| 17:35.24 | FourierSeries | Stereo: ;-) |
| 17:35.28 | grass-root | I was confused:you are running a Linux,but...you want wine to run win32 program...someone... |
| 17:35.34 | Stereo | pay attention. There will be a test. |
| 17:36.07 | krikke | thx guys |
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| 17:37.13 | Stereo | So, I've got http://channels.debian.net/paste/1347 in my /etc/apt/preferences, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1348 as my /etc/apt/sources.list, and running apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade tries to install lots of stuff from testing. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:37.32 | FourierSeries | Uh. |
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| 17:38.29 | lunitik | Stereo: make the priorities more significant? |
| 17:38.38 | lunitik | Stereo: ie, bigger difference |
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| 17:38.48 | Stereo | I'll try that |
| 17:39.04 | FourierSeries | Stereo: you do not want the testing stuff? just cut it from the sources list. |
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| 17:39.21 | Stereo | lunitik: same thing |
| 17:39.30 | Stereo | FourierSeries: I do want one or two packages |
| 17:39.37 | FourierSeries | Ah. |
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| 17:39.44 | lunitik | Stereo: stable priority 1000, testing 10 or something.... |
| 17:40.03 | Stereo | what I get instead is |
| 17:40.04 | Stereo | WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed |
| 17:40.04 | Stereo | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! |
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| 17:40.08 | Stereo | etc. |
| 17:40.13 | jgould | that was why I went to etch before I blew the whole system away. I wanted OOo 2 |
| 17:40.20 | Stereo | when it tries to remove the whole nine yards |
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| 17:40.41 | caphuso | Stereo: you can't install testing binary packages on a stable system and expect it to work |
| 17:40.45 | lunitik | Stereo: haha... blah... because you started installing testing stuff... |
| 17:40.59 | caphuso | and fucking with /etc/apt/preferences is not going to change that |
| 17:41.07 | lunitik | caphuso: there is already that big of a difference? |
| 17:41.24 | csezol | I downloaded the debian netinstall image.. I heard it contain the so-called 'base system'.. im interested whether it automatically installs the "Remaining packages" ( in ubuntu it's called so, and it's done in another phase ), or i have the possibility to apt-get the software i need ? |
| 17:41.24 | Stereo | damn it |
| 17:41.28 | caphuso | lunitik: only 'bout half a year |
| 17:41.38 | repp_ | Stereo: another option is to use backports.org |
| 17:41.53 | Stereo | well, I installed one package, wordpress, from testing |
| 17:41.58 | lunitik | caphuso: thats what I'm saying... things like libc and friends have already seen major version changes? |
| 17:42.06 | Stereo | if I just remove it, can we pretend I never installed it and start over again? |
| 17:42.12 | lunitik | caphuso: else I'm not really sure what would be the issue? |
| 17:42.25 | lunitik | Stereo: sure |
| 17:42.30 | Stereo | ok |
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| 17:42.45 | dwh | Hello again everyone. How can I change my GCC configuration in Debian to build for i686-linux-gnu? Right now when I do gcc -dumpmachine, it says i486-linux-gnu. |
| 17:42.57 | Stereo | oh wait |
| 17:42.59 | caphuso | lunitik: of course they have |
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| 17:43.15 | Stereo | lowering the priority of testing and unstable did the trick |
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| 17:44.16 | UltraSub | hi guys... i'm setting up a raid 1 here, and have installed raidtools2, mdadm, and compiled raid into the kernel. However, i get this: mkraid: command not found |
| 17:44.20 | UltraSub | how come? |
| 17:44.41 | UltraSub | i thought it used to be in the raidtools2 pkg |
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| 17:45.43 | dwh | UltraSub: I am actually just setting up a RAID-1 array now. From what I found, it seems you should use only the mdadm tools as they are newer and easier to use than the legacy raidtools. |
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| 17:46.06 | UltraSub | easier huh? :) |
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| 17:46.14 | caphuso | debian doesn't ship raidtools anymore |
| 17:46.18 | UltraSub | i want my raidtools2 back :) |
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| 17:46.47 | blondie | mdadm is quite easy to use |
| 17:47.07 | caphuso | UltraSub: yes, and i really like my green-on-black monitors. but i have to accept that the 1970ies are over |
| 17:47.15 | UltraSub | lol |
| 17:47.34 | UltraSub | ok, so now i know... ok |
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| 17:47.40 | UltraSub | thanks |
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| 17:48.21 | Stereo | yeah, use mdadm excludively |
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| 17:48.26 | Stereo | exclusively |
| 17:48.27 | csezol | I downloaded the debian netinstall image.. I heard it contain the so-called 'base system'.. im interested whether it automatically installs the "Remaining packages" ( in ubuntu it's called so, and it's done in another phase ), or i have the possibility to apt-get the software i need ? |
| 17:48.31 | roler | i'm looking for a postfix option that will temporary ban an ip address from sending me mail if it sends to more than X amount of messages to different email accounts.. |
| 17:48.39 | caphuso | UltraSub: raidtools are abandoned by the upstream author, using them any longer would really not be a good idea |
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| 17:49.26 | UltraSub | caphuso: yeah, ok, but all howto's of migrating are with raidtools and /etc/raidtab :) |
| 17:49.26 | bbrazil | caphuso: you'll have to option of installing other stuff, and you can apt-get later too |
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| 17:49.31 | UltraSub | that's why |
| 17:49.32 | bbrazil | csezol: ^ |
| 17:49.46 | csezol | bbrazil, ?? |
| 17:50.05 | cheal | csezol: you mean whether the netinst installs every available package? no, that's not possible |
| 17:50.31 | csezol | cheal, yes, i know.. |
| 17:50.36 | dfx- | I'm trying to simply install the package 'aftp' but apt wants to install e2fsprogs and a kernel-image. Is there a way to not install these packages. I have one system that also wanted to install these packages and now I can't install anything on that box due to a e2fs dependency problem. |
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| 17:51.20 | FourierSeries | Ok. so. you need to install gcc-i686, or some such, and then ln -s /bin/gcc-i686 /bin/gcc |
| 17:51.23 | FourierSeries | ? |
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| 17:51.45 | caphuso | FourierSeries: what, why? |
| 17:51.51 | csezol | cheal, im not native english, sorry.. so i dunno whether it stops after installing the base system, and i can apt-get _ewverything_ what i need, or it continues at 'installing remaining packages' and installs even packages that i dont need ? |
| 17:52.37 | csezol | -w |
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| 17:52.43 | csezol | *everything |
| 17:52.51 | FourierSeries | caphuso: Interesting question. gcc -dumpmachine gives a "486" version. We want the "686" version. |
| 17:52.52 | bbrazil | csezol: you'll get a choice |
| 17:53.02 | csezol | bbrazil, ok |
| 17:53.06 | caphuso | FourierSeries: and what's the benefit you expect? |
| 17:53.08 | cheal | csezol: ok. the netinstall will install in phase 1 all required and important packages. in the second phase you can install the other packages you want |
| 17:53.43 | csezol | cheal, so i have a menu, or i can reset, and make my system larger and larger with 10 mb every day ? |
| 17:53.44 | FourierSeries | caphuso: Me? none. This question just caught my eye. |
| 17:54.09 | caphuso | FourierSeries: well, use "gcc -dumpmachine | sed -e 's/4/6/'" |
| 17:54.27 | kingsley | lunitik: Thanks for suggesting version .9 of wine. I installed it and am happy to see that it seems to run a few programs. |
| 17:54.34 | csezol | at the step "i have a menu" i mean i get a list of options, and downloads all selected one time, without pause. |
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| 17:55.08 | dwh | FourierSeries: Hey, thanks for responding. I haven't been able to find much information on how to change that system-wide on a debian machine, unfortunately. |
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| 17:55.45 | cheal | csezol: there's some kind of menu for installing optional packages |
| 17:55.54 | dwh | FourierSeries: Yeah, I think what you said pretty much sums it up. gcc seems to want to spew i486 builds, I specifically need i686. |
| 17:56.05 | csezol | cheal, the 'all required and important packages' you said will be installed in phase 1 is on the cd, right ? |
| 17:56.11 | caphuso | dwh: you're aware that the output of -dumpmachine doesn't affect the ability of gcc to produce e.g. i686 code, right? |
| 17:56.28 | csezol | cheal, but if i select none, i can do it with apt-get.. it's soo evident, im just silly.. |
| 17:56.38 | dwh | caphuso: Right. I figure there's some switch I can set somewhere to change it over, I just have no clue where it is on a debian system. |
| 17:56.40 | FourierSeries | dwh: It's an interesting question; however, I do not think you actually want to change the system configuration. That would break *everything* |
| 17:56.48 | cheal | csezol: yes. the netinstall only contains required and important packages and a few exceptions |
| 17:56.58 | dfx- | How can I tell apt to NOT install e2fsprogs, initrd-tools, some kernel-image ...etc? All I want to do is install atftp! |
| 17:57.10 | caphuso | dwh: CFLAGS in your Makefile |
| 17:57.13 | streuner | dfx-: /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:57.13 | FourierSeries | dwh: I feel it involves something along the lines of installing an additional version of gcc. |
| 17:57.21 | dwh | FourierSeries: Well, not manually anyway. I know better than that :) That's why I wanted to find out the 'debian way' of doing it. |
| 17:57.23 | cheal | csezol: yes, apt-get isn't a menu, but if you don't install anything with the menu, then you can use apt-get |
| 17:57.31 | caphuso | FourierSeries: bullshit |
| 17:57.31 | dwh | FourierSeries: That's not a problem. |
| 17:57.42 | streuner | dfx-: if those other packages are depends you are out of luck then.... |
| 17:57.56 | caphuso | dfx-: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
| 17:57.59 | cheal | dfx-: which release? |
| 17:58.03 | dfx- | testing |
| 17:58.11 | caphuso | dfx-: no, you're running a pre-stable release |
| 17:58.18 | streuner | !depends e2fsprogs |
| 17:58.46 | azaz_work | What does [permanent] mean in lsmod? |
| 17:58.46 | dpkg | e2fsprogs: pre-depends on e2fslibs (= 1.38+1.39-WIP-2005.12.10-1), libblkid1 (>= 1.34-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.34-1), libss2 (>= 1.34-1), libuuid1 (>= 1.34-1) |
| 17:58.49 | bbrazil | dwh: CCFLAGS=-mcpu=686 iirc |
| 17:58.50 | csezol | cheal, i understand that the netinstall only contains important packages.. but does it contain _all_ the important packages, or i have to download more even to complete phase 1 ? |
| 17:58.54 | cheal | dfx-: hum, is libreadline5 installed? |
| 17:59.08 | dfx- | yes |
| 17:59.10 | dfx- | cheal: yes |
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| 17:59.21 | cheal | csezol: the netinstall contains all important packages by definition |
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| 17:59.56 | csezol | cheal, thanks. |
| 17:59.58 | dfx- | I've got another system that's stuck in a dependency loop with e2fsprogs. I can't do any apt-get installs on that box. I don't want the same thing to happen with this one |
| 18:00.16 | cheal | dfx-: which architecture do you use? do you have broken packages? what does apt-cache show atftp output? |
| 18:00.36 | caphuso | dfx-: damnit. /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
| 18:00.46 | dwh | caphuso, bbrazil: I'll tinker with those settings right now. Perhaps I'm just not sending enough info the to the compiler or something. |
| 18:00.51 | csezol | cheal, and a one last, beginner's question: is debian faster than ubuntu 5.04 ? or if you dont know ubuntu 5.04 please compare it's speed to a popular distro. |
| 18:01.05 | dfx- | caphuso: doing now |
| 18:01.15 | abrotman | csezol: faster than debian for what ? |
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| 18:01.45 | streuner | csezol: you are listening to much crap what other people telling you |
| 18:01.53 | FourierSeries | hmm ... |
| 18:02.02 | patbrugge | Hi all |
| 18:02.21 | FourierSeries | "gcc -m686 helloworld.c" does not work - "invalid option 686" |
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| 18:02.34 | FourierSeries | "gcc -m486 helloworld.c" is fine |
| 18:02.39 | cheal | csezol: I don't know Ubuntu. you're talking in terms of usability or performance (hardware limitations)? |
| 18:02.50 | streuner | csezol: your system performance is based on some issues like RAM, speed of your HD and your CPU, OHTER THINGS AREN'T THAT IMPORTANT! |
| 18:02.51 | csezol | no. speeeeed. |
| 18:03.17 | caphuso | FourierSeries: that's expected if you make up random command line options |
| 18:03.18 | csezol | streuner, let's say i have too computers with the very same configuration.. |
| 18:03.30 | secret_eating | hey there |
| 18:03.36 | csezol | i install ubuntu on the first, debian on the other one.. |
| 18:03.38 | cahoot | csezol: stick to console for speed |
| 18:03.38 | streuner | csezol: pretty unimportant then |
| 18:03.41 | csezol | which will work faster |
| 18:03.42 | patbrugge | Is there an easy way to make "apt-build world" or "apt-build --reinstall world"run without stops because a source file could not becollected? |
| 18:03.52 | FourierSeries | caphuso: so, what is the switch to tell gcc to compile for a different target? |
| 18:03.59 | caphuso | FourierSeries: -march |
| 18:04.23 | FourierSeries | caphuso: Ok, so "gcc -march686 " yes? |
| 18:04.28 | abrotman | csezol: why not try it and see ? |
| 18:04.30 | secret_eating | could someone tell me how to restart my ethernet connection? |
| 18:04.33 | FourierSeries | as an example |
| 18:04.36 | dwh | caphuso: Thanks! Now to figure out just where this needs to go in some config file... |
| 18:04.46 | bbrazil | secret_eating: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:05.00 | secret_eating | start my ethernet |
| 18:05.05 | caphuso | dwh: i told you, CFLAGS in your Makefile |
| 18:05.11 | secret_eating | I can't remember the command |
| 18:05.14 | patbrugge | secret_eating: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:05.16 | bbrazil | secret_eating: ifup -a ?? |
| 18:05.26 | csezol | abrotman, maybe cuz i have only 1 pc. |
| 18:05.34 | abrotman | so what? .. just try it .. |
| 18:05.47 | dwh | caphuso: Yes, but I need to make it system-wide. I want gcc to produce entirely i686 binaries by default. |
| 18:05.49 | abrotman | "is it faster? Will it use less RAM? Will it make the ladies love me?" |
| 18:05.52 | secret_eating | thanks will try right now |
| 18:06.20 | dwh | caphuso: I'm sorry I'm pretty new to tinkering with compiler stuff, so I may not be getting my point across :-/ |
| 18:06.25 | streuner | csezol: well, do you think you switching some flags of a 'VW kfer' and get a 'Porsche' out of it? ;-) |
| 18:06.25 | caphuso | dwh: no, you don't. but if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, try pentium-builder |
| 18:06.26 | csezol | abrotman, will it open firefox in a smaller amount of time ? |
| 18:06.26 | krikke | I have download-limits so is there a script to see how many MB I downloaded |
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| 18:06.31 | krikke | and how to limit it |
| 18:06.33 | abrotman | csezol: try it |
| 18:07.18 | csezol | abrotman, you, wh have tried it, why wouldnt you simply tell me ? i have too much data on my ubuntu partition and really dont like backuping.. |
| 18:07.28 | koudelka_ | how do i get ics to work with debian and pppoe? |
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| 18:07.50 | koudelka_ | have tried ipchains and ipmasq but cant get it to work |
| 18:07.57 | abrotman | csezol: i don't use ubuntu .. so i can't tell you .. all i can say is that it's been fast enough that i'm still using it after .. uhm .. like 7(?) years |
| 18:08.50 | caphuso | koudelka_: if you can't get ipmasq to work, then you won't be able to make anything else work either |
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| 18:09.14 | koudelka_ | caphuso, i noticed that :P |
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| 18:09.30 | patbrugge | In ubuntu there a a aplication to modify the gnome menu but I can find it in debian does it not exist here? |
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| 18:09.52 | jgould | ls |
| 18:10.01 | streuner | patbrugge: gnome-control-center? |
| 18:10.33 | koudelka_ | caphuso, then tell me how to get ipmasq to work |
| 18:10.37 | patbrugge | streuner: No I mean to modify what apps are in the menu and which one are not |
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| 18:10.52 | patbrugge | not to set themes or so |
| 18:10.56 | csezol | abrotman, would you tell me your current system configuration in private ? ( or even here.. ) |
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| 18:11.35 | caphuso | koudelka_: i'm not going to paste /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/* to you |
| 18:11.50 | streuner | patbrugge: dunno, using too long openbox and fluxbox... |
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| 18:12.08 | abrotman | csezol: which configuration .. hardware or software ? |
| 18:12.10 | resiak | patbrugge: I think that that application is in a more recent version of Gnome than is in Debian |
| 18:12.31 | patbrugge | resiak: 2.12 yep seems to be |
| 18:12.36 | csezol | abrotman, hard one. |
| 18:12.37 | patbrugge | debian has 2.10 |
| 18:12.42 | abrotman | i think it's in the gnome in experimental(soon to be unstable) |
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| 18:12.57 | debiankid | hi all |
| 18:13.02 | abrotman | csezol: my primary machine is my laptop .. P4 2.4 / 768MB |
| 18:13.09 | debiankid | i lost my conecction |
| 18:13.15 | lunitik | abrotman: hardly soon... heh... have you seen jordi talking about what it'll take to get it into unstable? |
| 18:13.16 | abrotman | debiankid: we cried |
| 18:13.23 | lunitik | abrotman: it'll be a while ;) |
| 18:13.25 | debiankid | i was talking about my wine configuration |
| 18:13.28 | abrotman | lunitik: define "soon" :) |
| 18:13.37 | abrotman | lunitik: sooner than etch will release i hope :) |
| 18:13.39 | lunitik | abrotman: within a month |
| 18:14.12 | lunitik | abrotman: imo... 2.12 won't go into unstable at all... 2.14 isn't that far from release... |
| 18:14.36 | lunitik | Due in February I think... |
| 18:14.38 | abrotman | lunitik: 2.14 won't be out until march |
| 18:14.51 | abrotman | ides of march .. or so the plan is |
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| 18:15.09 | abrotman | lunitik: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirteen |
| 18:15.20 | csezol | abrotman, on 768 mb of ram everything is fast enough. i have only 128.. should debian work with gnome well ? |
| 18:15.46 | abrotman | csezol: perhaps .. or you can try xfce or *box |
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| 18:16.06 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... ok... but still... imo they ought to just scrap 2.12 going in... they made a mess of it imo :/ |
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| 18:16.46 | abrotman | lunitik: why? .. just freaking do it already |
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| 18:17.05 | lunitik | abrotman: read Jordi's blog... |
| 18:17.05 | abrotman | lunitik: hey .. KDE is all screwed up .. why not screw gnome users too :) |
| 18:17.11 | abrotman | lunitik: i have .. thanks |
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| 18:17.18 | patbrugge | Well 2.10 seems oke only the menu change option is a missing |
| 18:17.24 | dfx- | caphuso: thanks for the help. I used the sources.list provided in that URL you provided and that at least solved my problem temporarily. thanks! |
| 18:17.28 | lunitik | abrotman: gnome is apparently waiting on the kde guys right now for 2.12 to get in :/ |
| 18:17.45 | darkness_ | Out of interest are paid full time coders employed in the coding for the deb upgrades? |
| 18:17.45 | lunitik | abrotman: which is depending on fontconfig or something... |
| 18:17.48 | lunitik | abrotman: its just a mess |
| 18:18.23 | csezol | Sarge has 2.4.x kernel by default ? |
| 18:18.23 | lunitik | darkness_: no... not really |
| 18:18.23 | csezol | :( |
| 18:18.36 | lunitik | csezol: if you just hit enter... yes |
| 18:18.42 | bbrazil | csezol: pass linux26 as a boot option to the netinstall |
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| 18:18.56 | csezol | bbrazil, thanks. |
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| 18:19.35 | jgould | Why did I have to screw up my perfectly good install last night.... |
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| 18:19.50 | patbrugge | dunno what did you do? |
| 18:19.55 | FourierSeries | jgould: still reinstalling? how did the backup go? |
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| 18:20.16 | jgould | tried to change boot loaders... |
| 18:20.25 | cmatheson | hey has anyone tried to connect to a cisco vpn w/ linux? i googled and it looks like cisco provides binaries, but i was wondering if there was a more free-software approach |
| 18:20.44 | jgould | FourierSeries: It went good, still working on installing the major packages I had before the reinstall |
| 18:21.00 | FourierSeries | jgould: Oh! Ok. So far so good then. |
| 18:21.01 | patbrugge | ahh lilo instead of grub? but why grub is easy as hell |
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| 18:21.27 | FourierSeries | jgould: just remember to push that backup over to another machine. ;-) |
| 18:21.27 | eeyore- | cmatheson: no, you're stuck with the cisco client |
| 18:21.39 | cheal | cmatheson: did you check vpnc? |
| 18:21.39 | cmatheson | eeyore-: thanks |
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| 18:21.45 | eeyore- | cmatheson: you might want to check out the openvpn project to see if/when they plan to be compatible |
| 18:21.48 | jgould | Alredy did, and even made sure it was all there |
| 18:21.48 | cmatheson | cheal: i haven't, i'll look at that |
| 18:21.51 | eeyore- | cmatheson: but, wouldn't hold your breath |
| 18:21.52 | cmatheson | eeyore-: thanks |
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| 18:24.04 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: dpkg -x |
| 18:24.04 | lunitik | CosmoDad: man dpkg-deb |
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| 18:24.07 | csezol | neeeestpl33t |
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| 18:24.07 | rrronrad | stew: I got some stuff working now with the radeon driver, however... the monitor attached to the DVI looks terrible, RGB is ok, any ideas? |
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| 18:24.12 | csezol | !net|split |
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| 18:24.12 | csezol | ;) |
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| 18:24.30 | lunitik | CosmoDad: you get what I said? |
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| 18:24.38 | darkness_ | Netsplit? |
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| 18:24.50 | streuner | !netsplit |
| 18:24.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 18:24.54 | CosmoDad | lunitik: yeah... I see there's dpkg -e and dpkg -x, but there's no combined switch |
| 18:24.54 | lunitik | darkness_: no, what makes you think that? |
| 18:24.55 | bbrazil | csezol: presumably the split servers still have some connection problems |
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| 18:25.17 | lunitik | CosmoDad: dpkg-deb -x is what you want :/ |
| 18:25.42 | csezol | bbrazil, maybe.. what distro do most of servers run ? |
| 18:25.42 | jgould | FourierSeries: If I un tar this back up file as root, does the owner of every thing get set as root? |
| 18:25.42 | CosmoDad | lunitik: did... outputs DEBIAN/ dir, but not the program data |
| 18:25.43 | darkness_ | lunitik, all the dropped connections. |
| 18:25.55 | CosmoDad | lunitik: like usr/, etc/, ... |
| 18:26.03 | bbrazil | csezol: some form of linux or freebsd iirc |
| 18:26.11 | debiankid | lunitik im still having problems with wine i had to unistall and install the old version |
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| 18:26.23 | FourierSeries | jgould: as I remember, no. It should have the original owner, group, settings et. al. |
| 18:26.26 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: dpkg -x will extract everything |
| 18:26.36 | jgould | ok. |
| 18:26.42 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: have you actually done it? |
| 18:26.47 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: yeah! |
| 18:26.48 | csezol | bbrazil, a bit evident.. it thought not doze.. not even another os. |
| 18:26.58 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: dpkg -x is missing "debian/" on the package I'm applying it |
| 18:27.06 | nefertum | do you know any program to the dvd video data form a avi file? |
| 18:27.06 | FourierSeries | jgould: you can force it to be. I do not remember the command switch off hand. |
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| 18:28.15 | FourierSeries | durn |
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| 18:28.44 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: sic, I'd need to do dpkg-deb -e and dpkg -x on the same package to get all I want, wondered if there was just one switch... |
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| 18:29.49 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: hmm, it used to :-) |
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| 18:30.26 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: nevermind, just do "ar x <path to .deb>" then :-) |
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| 18:30.42 | phoenix_ | hi all |
| 18:30.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: how many more hours until work is over? |
| 18:30.53 | koudelka_ | hmm, another failure |
| 18:30.54 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: that one leaves me with .tar.gz's... |
| 18:30.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: 6 ? |
| 18:31.05 | LoneWlf794 | Hey all. Anyone who can help me with chmod? |
| 18:31.07 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: unpack the tar.gz to get what you want |
| 18:31.07 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: why the heck is there no single command? |
| 18:31.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: uf so long? aren't you bored already? |
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| 18:31.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: my bosses are stupid |
| 18:31.19 | koudelka_ | i dont like failures |
| 18:31.22 | eeyore- | abrotman: :-) |
| 18:31.26 | debiankid | eeyore hey may i install for example one .deb at force mode without dependences ? |
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| 18:31.28 | koudelka_ | so, can someone help me |
| 18:31.29 | koudelka_ | ? |
| 18:32.00 | lunitik | debiankid: if you want to do that with wine... it won't fix the issue. |
| 18:32.01 | eeyore- | debiankid: i don't think so, if you want to do that you might as well unpack the content and move them in place by hand :-) |
| 18:32.02 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: should I unpack the control tarball into debian/ ? the dir won't be created by default |
| 18:32.08 | koudelka_ | if you dont remember about it i need help configuring ipmasq |
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| 18:32.38 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: what are you looking to do? |
| 18:32.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: why is that so? |
| 18:32.51 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: make a change to control and rebuild the package |
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| 18:33.07 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: apt-get source ..., i think |
| 18:33.27 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: e.g., apt-get source dselect |
| 18:33.27 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: I don't have a repository, just the .deb |
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| 18:34.06 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: sorry not rebuild... |
| 18:34.17 | Fortaleza | I want to start an command at boot! how can I do it? |
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| 18:34.26 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: just make a change to the given dependencies in "control" and install the package afterwards |
| 18:34.39 | eeyore- | CosmoDad: you mean repackage? it's a bit more complicated i think. you'll have to ask an actual debian developer (and i'm not one of them) |
| 18:34.45 | debiankid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.50 | koudelka_ | ipmasq, ipmasq, ipmasq... |
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| 18:35.15 | debiankid | lunitik c here http://channels.debian.net/paste/1350 |
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| 18:36.05 | debiankid | lunitik tehre i have all the wine packets but what i need to install or witch 1 should work for me |
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| 18:36.45 | lunitik | debiankid: it was built against xorg... you're not gonna get it installed on a system using xfree86 :/ |
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| 18:37.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: because they are really really bad at projecting a project's length |
| 18:37.36 | lunitik | debiankid: you can rebuild for your system... but imo thats over your head :/ |
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| 18:38.22 | CosmoDad | eeyore-: I'm familiar with the build process, just don't know how to unpack properly :) |
| 18:38.25 | tarzeau | where's the debian off topic channel? |
| 18:38.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're there, aren't you? |
| 18:38.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 18:38.46 | tarzeau | !off-topic |
| 18:38.50 | debiankid | lunitik rebuild ? |
| 18:38.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. #-offtopic |
| 18:38.56 | tarzeau | i thought there was #debian-ot but it's empty |
| 18:39.09 | FourierSeries | tarzeau: #debAIn |
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| 18:40.20 | debiankid | lunitik rebuild what ? i sayd a minutes before im using KDE X INTERFACE debian 3.1 sarge |
| 18:40.37 | debiankid | lunitik explain me what is xorg? |
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| 18:40.50 | tarzeau | !sayd |
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| 18:41.00 | tarzeau | dpkg sayd is really bad english, you probably mean said |
| 18:41.06 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 18:41.40 | eeyore- | tarzeau: you should hear my russian |
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| 18:42.07 | tarzeau | eeyore-: got teamspeak? |
| 18:42.07 | tarzeau | and you my french, LOL |
| 18:42.11 | eeyore- | debiankid: are you sure you want to screw around with linux? :-) |
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| 18:42.43 | debiankid | eeyone im new using debian linux my friend |
| 18:42.55 | debiankid | eeyore understand me |
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| 18:43.23 | kspath | I got a VERY old nvidia vanta 8mb to do 1600x1200 24bit lol I really thought it was not capable |
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| 18:43.57 | patbrugge | I like to srew arrounfd with linux I have a installation on another partition/disk specialy to test and try things out. Best way to learn Imo (and read and ask allot |
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| 18:44.50 | SimonRaven | i like to screw around with linux better :P |
| 18:45.03 | debiankid | well im using windows and i have ythis debian installed in other partition thats why i am here asking about everything |
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| 18:45.22 | tarzeau | i like to screw around with women |
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| 18:45.48 | patbrugge | I like that to but doubt my girlfriend would like me to do that ;) |
| 18:45.55 | debiankid | lunitik what is this ????? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1351 |
| 18:46.02 | SimonRaven | i like to screw around with my partner (if we're going to go *that* route ;) |
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| 18:47.03 | Norbert | apt destroyed my boot manager-stuff |
| 18:47.12 | Norbert | known bug? |
| 18:47.15 | patbrugge | how can apt do that? |
| 18:47.19 | tarzeau | Norbert: you did? |
| 18:47.21 | tarzeau | Norbert: sid? |
| 18:47.27 | tarzeau | patbrugge: it can't. users fault |
| 18:47.39 | SimonRaven | layer 8 problem |
| 18:47.42 | FourierSeries | Norbert: forget to run lilo? |
| 18:47.48 | patbrugge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.03 | Norbert | I think it's because a kernel image was installed during update, upgrade |
| 18:48.14 | FourierSeries | right |
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| 18:48.22 | patbrugge | What botloader you use Norbert? |
| 18:48.24 | tarzeau | Norbert: no because you edited the lilo/grub conf wrong |
| 18:48.28 | tarzeau | Norbert: can you read that? |
| 18:48.35 | D-N-A | what is name of the pkg of eclipse c++ |
| 18:48.40 | tarzeau | ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 18:48.42 | debiankid | ??? |
| 18:48.46 | tarzeau | ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs |
| 18:48.49 | Norbert | I use grub |
| 18:49.08 | SimonRaven | !tell D-N-A -about search |
| 18:49.08 | tarzeau | Norbert: you got a backup? |
| 18:49.14 | Norbert | ehm, no |
| 18:49.29 | patbrugge | And what is wrong with it Norbert? |
| 18:49.30 | tarzeau | Norbert: easy, it's not hard to write grub menu files from scratch |
| 18:49.37 | tarzeau | and it even works without menu files |
| 18:49.39 | D-N-A | thnx forhelp :) |
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| 18:49.59 | tarzeau | patbrugge: he's probably put his config to the wrong place and built kernesl withbout make-kpkg |
| 18:50.00 | Luka666 | ellow |
| 18:50.02 | Norbert | patbrugge: I baked my own kernel, but for some reason it's no longer booting from that one, it's now using the apt-getted one |
| 18:50.07 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 18:50.26 | tarzeau | patbrugge: see, exactly what i said |
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| 18:50.53 | patbrugge | tarzeau: Lol yep |
| 18:50.59 | Luka666 | i have debian 3.1 stable installed on my computer and i want to try some apps that are only avalible in testing. can i just add the testing repositories and install it? |
| 18:51.09 | Norbert | it's because the Gnome "Boot Manager Settings" is not working, that's why I edited some files myself |
| 18:51.11 | tarzeau | Luka666: use backports.org |
| 18:51.13 | patbrugge | Norbert: can you boot into linux? |
| 18:51.20 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 18:51.20 | dpkg | [simple sid backport] 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
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| 18:51.34 | Norbert | if I choose "Add" and press "Forward", I can't select an "Operating system" from the pulldown |
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| 18:51.45 | tarzeau | Norbert: ugh , then it's buggy |
| 18:51.48 | Norbert | patbrugge: yes, luckily I can still do that |
| 18:52.02 | __filip_ | Can i update my debian stable to testing and no reinstall Debian? |
| 18:52.03 | tarzeau | Norbert: you should edit /boot/grub/menu.lst with a $EDITOR |
| 18:52.09 | Luka666 | tarzeau why use backports if i can use the official repositories? |
| 18:52.11 | tarzeau | __filip_: yes |
| 18:52.18 | patbrugge | Oke all you need to do than is to find where your linux image is and point grub to that |
| 18:52.25 | tarzeau | __filip_: testing and sid can't be installed just right so, only over stable |
| 18:52.34 | tarzeau | Luka666: because of |
| 18:52.35 | Norbert | tarzeau: yeah, I will, thanks |
| 18:52.36 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 18:52.36 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 18:53.01 | cheal | Luka666: which apps do you want to try? |
| 18:53.14 | __filip_ | tarzeau: So i need to download the testing version and reinstall it? |
| 18:53.20 | Luka666 | i want to try xorg, and who is Lorena Bobbitt? |
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| 18:53.34 | tarzeau | __filip_: no change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:53.46 | tarzeau | __filip_: but really read |
| 18:53.46 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 18:53.46 | SimonRaven | __filip_: no. /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 18:53.46 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:53.48 | tarzeau | and consider using sid |
| 18:53.59 | tarzeau | Luka666: google lorena bobbitt |
| 18:54.00 | cheal | Luka666: any reason? |
| 18:54.02 | SimonRaven | uh, not for newbies |
| 18:54.07 | tarzeau | Luka666: she's cut off her husbands penis |
| 18:54.12 | SimonRaven | !lart tarzeau |
| 18:54.19 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: it's true!!11 |
| 18:54.23 | patbrugge | tarzeau: He did instaal a home cooked kernel so he should have known from the start that he should modify the grub loader that way.. (or am I getting grazy now??) |
| 18:54.25 | __filip_ | SimonRaven: If i do that will i get the testing version? |
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| 18:54.31 | Luka666 | cheal: want to try the things that Xubuntu has, but i prefere debian (smaller, better) |
| 18:54.38 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: you get to support them when it breaks |
| 18:54.40 | resiak | !sarge xorg |
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| 18:54.46 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: fine for me |
| 18:54.46 | resiak | !tell Luka666 -about xorg sarge |
| 18:54.50 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: especially when i'm asleep ;) |
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| 18:55.04 | cheal | Luka666: uh, you don't seem to have a good reason to risk breaking your system like that |
| 18:55.06 | SimonRaven | then don't suggest that for newbies |
| 18:55.09 | tarzeau | __filip_: indeed you will get that |
| 18:55.15 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: testing isn't any better |
| 18:55.28 | tarzeau | as long as there is no way back, and there is not |
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| 18:55.36 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: not lately no |
| 18:55.36 | cheal | I'm sure testing is better |
| 18:55.42 | resiak | tarzeau: It _is_ --- testing didn't FAIL TO BOOT because of a grep fuckup recently, did it? |
| 18:55.42 | Luka666 | cheal: its freshly installed, its on a p1 and its not important :> |
| 18:55.48 | tarzeau | patbrugge: he used some crazy gnome grub config editor that doesn't show comments |
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| 18:55.50 | SimonRaven | better than sid. |
| 18:56.01 | SimonRaven | __filip_: it's less likely to break than sid is |
| 18:56.03 | __filip_ | tarzeau: Will i get new package then? Like OpenOffice 2? |
| 18:56.03 | cheal | Luka666: if it's not important, why don't you try etch? |
| 18:56.04 | tarzeau | resiak: and how much software you can't install with testing but with sid? |
| 18:56.11 | patbrugge | mhh what happend to normal command line editing? |
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| 18:56.13 | resiak | tarzeau: I've had no problems. :-) |
| 18:56.13 | tarzeau | resiak: only IF you install every shit every day |
| 18:56.23 | Luka666 | cheal: dont know :> |
| 18:56.24 | tarzeau | resiak: i've got sid too, and i didn't have this problem |
| 18:56.33 | tarzeau | __filip_: of course |
| 18:56.41 | resiak | tarzeau: I would have, had I been running Sid, because /usr is not on / for me. |
| 18:56.41 | tarzeau | __filip_: but remember, new doesn't equal good |
| 18:56.50 | tarzeau | __filip_: good can be the worst nightmare ever! |
| 18:56.57 | tarzeau | s/good/new/1 |
| 18:57.02 | __filip_ | tarzeau: Thanx for the help! |
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| 18:57.18 | tarzeau | __filip_: i can't wait to see you come back here when you have testing |
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| 18:57.44 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: you know the idiot bugs that don't go from sid to testing, i can filter myself |
| 18:57.47 | __filip_ | tarzeau: why? |
| 18:58.01 | tarzeau | __filip_: find out yourself |
| 18:58.15 | __filip_ | okej |
| 18:58.29 | cheal | tarzeau: yet, some developers aren't able to filter them |
| 18:58.34 | patbrugge | Never had a big problem in sid that was not my own mistake |
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| 18:58.45 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: eh? the ones that us few sid users miss? :P |
| 18:59.21 | tarzeau | cheal: there's so many: http://www.debian.gr.jp/~kitame/maint.cgi?num=srcs&limit=1&maint= |
| 18:59.31 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: few? |
| 18:59.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:59.33 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:59.38 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: more sid users than anything else! |
| 18:59.56 | tarzeau | cheal: here are 1648 official or sponsored maintainers. |
| 18:59.59 | ansong | tarzeau, i thought openoffice.org2 wasn't in testing yet: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org2 |
| 19:00.10 | tarzeau | ansong: ah possibly, who uses testing anyways |
| 19:00.20 | tarzeau | ansong: i should've noted it is in sid, and no idea about testing |
| 19:00.22 | ansong | *cough* |
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| 19:00.28 | patbrugge | sarge is to old imo, testing misses a lot, experimental is to unstable and riskfull so I use sid ;) |
| 19:00.29 | tarzeau | so he'll have to wait for a few more days |
| 19:00.33 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: you missed the :P |
| 19:00.47 | tarzeau | patbrugge: experimental isn't complete |
| 19:00.48 | ansong | oh well, when the kde mess gets cleaned up. i'll get everything... |
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| 19:00.57 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: good to have you to add the smileys |
| 19:01.02 | cheal | tarzeau: how do you know the numbers for each release? |
| 19:01.03 | tarzeau | ansong: hahahah |
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| 19:01.21 | tarzeau | cheal: you don't. new versions get uploaded to sid/experimental |
| 19:01.23 | patbrugge | tarzeau: But you can get packages out of it dont you? |
| 19:01.24 | tarzeau | not anywhere else |
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| 19:01.36 | tarzeau | patbrugge: out of what? |
| 19:02.02 | patbrugge | from an experimental server to be build in sid? |
| 19:02.13 | patbrugge | or am I talking bullocks now? |
| 19:02.54 | tarzeau | patbrugge: stable, testing, sid have all packages |
| 19:02.56 | cheal | tarzeau: I don't understand. how can you verify that "more sid users than anything else!"? |
| 19:02.58 | tarzeau | patbrugge: experimental has some packages only, maintainer decides |
| 19:03.04 | tarzeau | patbrugge: and they don't move auto down |
| 19:03.12 | patbrugge | for example some dude told that gnome 2.12 is in experimental so I could grep it from there? |
| 19:03.19 | tarzeau | cheal: check the popcon url and the popcon package version |
| 19:03.29 | koudelka__ | i got udp to work but tcp is no go |
| 19:03.33 | tarzeau | patbrugge: packages.debian.org |
| 19:03.41 | tarzeau | koudelka__: what software? |
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| 19:03.56 | patbrugge | thx tarzeau: |
| 19:03.59 | koudelka__ | firestarter |
| 19:04.06 | cheal | tarzeau: which versions are you comparing? |
| 19:04.08 | tarzeau | FourierSeries: you've missed the billion unix seconds party? |
| 19:04.17 | tarzeau | cheal: of the package popularity-contest |
| 19:04.26 | FourierSeries | tarzeau: guess so. |
| 19:04.33 | cheal | tarzeau: but which specific versions of it do you compare? |
| 19:04.39 | tarzeau | cheal: sid/testing have 1.31 , stable 1.28 |
| 19:04.48 | tarzeau | !popcorn |
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| 19:05.05 | tarzeau | cheal: see the bottom graphic |
| 19:05.10 | tarzeau | cheal: 1.28 : 3043 |
| 19:05.19 | tarzeau | cheal: 1.31 : 5510 |
| 19:05.36 | tarzeau | ok one doesn't see who use testing who sid |
| 19:05.56 | cheal | tarzeau: ok |
| 19:06.15 | koudelka__ | how to fix the tcp part >< |
| 19:06.42 | tarzeau | wow 158 more popularity-contest installs and there's 10000 |
| 19:06.48 | cheal | anyway, it seems pretty obvious that etch and sid users will be overrepresented in popcon |
| 19:07.04 | tarzeau | cheal: don't forget the http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ ones |
| 19:07.20 | tarzeau | cheal: why? stable users can have it too |
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| 19:07.57 | tarzeau | cheal: but it's funny that some people stopped upgrading their systems, those with version 1.19 to 1.27 more than 400! |
| 19:08.14 | tarzeau | cheal: and some are stuck between .29 and .32 and 500 unknown |
| 19:08.50 | cheal | tarzeau: bah, I'm not really surprised |
| 19:09.19 | koudelka__ | how to fix the firewall so it can accept tcp connections? |
| 19:09.28 | tarzeau | koudelka__: apt-get install popularity-contest |
| 19:09.54 | cheal | tarzeau: don't you think that people familiar with debian will be more tempted to use popularity-contest and to run bleeding edge releases? |
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| 19:10.23 | tarzeau | cheal: no |
| 19:10.42 | tarzeau | cheal: i know people very familiar with debian that use stable. matter of purpose of the installation |
| 19:11.08 | mrkorn | how can I make a shortcut to a folder on the desktop in nautilus? Dragging makes it copy. |
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| 19:11.59 | koudelka__ | Oo...... |
| 19:12.19 | koudelka__ | TCP!!! |
| 19:12.27 | cheal | tarzeau: yeah, but I doubt people that use stable for this purpose will be as much free to run popcon |
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| 19:12.39 | koudelka__ | still the same problem if i disable the firewall |
| 19:13.02 | tarzeau | cheal: for what reason not? |
| 19:13.30 | tarzeau | cheal: any organisation that needs stability and security for 10+ computers will use stable |
| 19:13.42 | tarzeau | unless they have a very good reason and manpower to support something else |
| 19:13.46 | FourierSeries | this seems promising... |
| 19:14.02 | tarzeau | cheal: check the www.debian.org/users page for some examples |
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| 19:15.32 | jsz | hello |
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| 19:16.05 | Marticus | good afternoon |
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| 19:16.18 | jgould | If I create a file in /etc/default, the system will run that on boot, correct? |
| 19:16.45 | jsz | I get this error when I try to run xorg |
| 19:16.46 | jsz | fatal io error 104(connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining |
| 19:16.51 | jsz | I think it's to do with elibs |
| 19:16.54 | ecliptik | is there a way to throttle bandwidth usage by port, ie sftp traffic? will iptables do that? |
| 19:16.57 | Marticus | does libnss-ldap have ssl support? |
| 19:16.59 | kakarot | hi, i'm trying to make a package whit build-package, and i get dpkg-source: failure: patch died from signal 11, can anybody help me to override this? |
| 19:17.08 | Marticus | rather, tls support |
| 19:17.28 | Marticus | in sarge package |
| 19:18.04 | cheal | tarzeau: because generally the admins of large computer networks like that don't own the computers |
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| 19:18.23 | cheal | !rc.local |
| 19:18.23 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 19:18.44 | FourierSeries | jgould: get all that? |
| 19:19.01 | tarzeau | cheal: i wouldn't run sid on 150 computers either |
| 19:19.06 | tarzeau | cheal: i'd run it only on my own |
| 19:19.17 | tarzeau | cheal: i don't think it matters if they own it or not |
| 19:19.23 | Crysknife007 | Does anyone know how I can get the keyboard layout to be set to dvorak instead of us when debian boots up? |
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| 19:19.48 | tarzeau | cheal: i mean would you want to support hundreds of users that have the same problem just because something broke in sid or testing compared to in stable? i certainly don't |
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| 19:20.58 | cheal | tarzeau: no, but I think that it matters whether you own a computer or not to decide whether you install popcon |
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| 19:21.33 | tarzeau | cheal: more likely if you ask the owner and he says yes or no... |
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| 19:21.48 | tarzeau | cheal: i run it on like 150 machines :) |
| 19:21.54 | tarzeau | cheal: and i don't own anything |
| 19:21.55 | cheal | cool |
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| 19:21.59 | jgould | I could have sworn the last time I did somethign in /etc/default to make ndiswrapper load at boot |
| 19:22.05 | cheal | but then you had to ask the owner |
| 19:22.10 | tarzeau | cheal: yes |
| 19:22.22 | lordnazgul | my email server is acting as a smarthost for other machines. is it possible to allow it to act as a smarthost for machines on the internet, but only if they have a password? right now only machines on my lan can use it as a smarthost, and i dont want to just open it up to everyone on the net |
| 19:22.23 | cheal | instead of just asking yourself |
| 19:22.29 | tarzeau | cheal: true |
| 19:22.43 | koudelka__ | okey, i got the dhcp server and the gateway to work |
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| 19:23.05 | cheal | tarzeau: anyway, there's not much point in that discussion, sorry to have made that last so long :) |
| 19:23.06 | michael | is it possible to run KDE and GNome on one and the same machine, while the user can decide which one to use upon login? |
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| 19:23.17 | koudelka__ | but the client machines can only use udp |
| 19:23.26 | melao- | there is no /dev/eth0, but ifconfig finds eth0... where is it? |
| 19:23.31 | cheal | michael: yes...install both |
| 19:23.34 | koudelka__ | even if my firewall is disabled |
| 19:23.35 | Eskimo | hi |
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| 19:24.18 | michael | melao-: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:24.43 | Eskimo | is anyone familiar with the voting system used by Debian, i'd like to use Debian's program to compute results for an election and make graphs |
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| 19:25.15 | melao- | i just installed sarge from the network instalation cd, and the file /dev/eth0 doesn't exit... is there a device file for eth0? |
| 19:25.20 | koudelka__ | how to fix so the client machines can use tcp? |
| 19:25.29 | dbernar1 | Is gimpshop in debian |
| 19:25.45 | dbernar1 | Does anyone have any suggestions as to gimpshop, I got advice not to use it so far. |
| 19:25.57 | michael | melao-: no, there is no device file for an NIC as far as I know. you don't need a file that "mount" a NIC |
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| 19:26.35 | jsz | I get this error when I try to startx: fatal io error 104(connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining |
| 19:26.41 | jsz | is it to do with elibs? |
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| 19:29.08 | melao- | ok, thanks, michael... i just used "eth0" instead of "/dev/eth0" and it worked (I was configuring a network monitor program) |
| 19:29.53 | FourierSeries | sigh |
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| 19:33.55 | SimonRaven | FourierSeries: what, like cmd.exe, awstats.pl, xmlprc.php, and other crap? :) |
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| 19:34.52 | FourierSeries | SimonRaven: Yeah. The usual exploit crap. I have a general, cheeky, redirect set up for them. Shame that no one will every really "see" it. |
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| 19:35.46 | SimonRaven | well, if no one sees it, then it's working, innit ;) |
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| 19:36.39 | pitillo | hi, anyone know if are there anyway to change the rights of /dev/dri/card0 from root:root to root:anothergroup ? |
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| 19:36.59 | SimonRaven | man chown |
| 19:37.17 | FourierSeries | um? chgrp anothergroup /dev/dri/card0 ? |
| 19:37.22 | koudelka__ | i need help with tcp |
| 19:37.38 | koudelka__ | seem like i cant share my tcp connection |
| 19:37.43 | koudelka__ | only udp |
| 19:37.53 | pitillo | well, with chown, when I launch gdm, the rigths change to root:root another time |
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| 19:39.01 | MishMash | I have a problem regarding a Compaq Smart Array 64x controller |
| 19:39.11 | koudelka__ | what could block client machines tcp connections except firewall? |
| 19:39.18 | Haukkari | Heya. What's the deal with not being able to login after a hard reboot because of some .ICEauthority file or something? |
| 19:39.29 | MishMash | I've just installed a fresh debian installation with 2.6.14 kernel but i can't get that scsi raid card to work... |
| 19:39.44 | pitillo | the rights changed but when launching X, the rights change to default values... i don't know if aplications can use this card with dri because my user can't access the device |
| 19:40.07 | MishMash | I've looked for drivers at the HP.com website but all they offer is a redhat 8 driver for kernel 2.4.* |
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| 19:40.21 | SimonRaven | pitillo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 | -xorg |
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| 19:42.33 | koudelka__ | what could block client machines tcp connection except firewall? |
| 19:42.40 | MishMash | can anybody help me with my Scsi raid card problem? :( It's a server that must run tomorrow |
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| 19:43.07 | Coweater | MishMash: should be handled under the cciss module from what i can tell |
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| 19:43.42 | MishMash | ok, but i'm not such a linux expert yet :P how do i do that? |
| 19:43.56 | Eulex | what about banning the bastard? |
| 19:44.37 | FourierSeries | Eulex: one of the CHOPS will get him ... |
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| 19:44.53 | poli | MishMash: How did you get the 2.6.14 kernel running? |
| 19:45.16 | MishMash | compiling it from scratch |
| 19:45.52 | MishMash | downloaded the tarball from ftp.kernel.org, extracted it, ran make menuconfig and then build it |
| 19:46.01 | poli | MishMash: Did you need the 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 19:46.05 | Eulex | MishMash, do you have support for the card compiled in? |
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| 19:46.16 | ramzez | hello people |
| 19:46.31 | MishMash | i don't need the 2.6.14 kernel, just grabbed the latest |
| 19:46.49 | MishMash | i can't find the module that would support this card... |
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| 19:47.12 | FourierSeries | MishMash: what is the hardware again? |
| 19:47.19 | FourierSeries | MishMash: make & model that is ? |
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| 19:47.29 | MishMash | HP Smart array x64 controller |
| 19:47.35 | MishMash | SCSI controller U320 |
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| 19:47.41 | Eulex | MishMash, you could try doing lspci -n and entering it into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 19:47.49 | MishMash | ok |
| 19:47.55 | FourierSeries | MishMash: whut Eulex said... |
| 19:48.04 | Coweater | it should be supported with cciss |
| 19:48.06 | MishMash | going to do that, hold on for a second |
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| 19:48.20 | Coweater | take a look at http://www.riedmann.it/linux/debian3smartarray.htm as well |
| 19:48.25 | [inside] | hi2all :) |
| 19:48.35 | FourierSeries | MishMash: just out of curiosity, you did check HP's site yes? |
| 19:48.42 | flexy | does usb dvd players work under linux? If so, where can I find a good howto (including what to include in kernel) to get me going... |
| 19:48.52 | ramzez | I have a 5 buttons mouse and I have lost 2 of my 5 buttons since last X upgrade (using sid). My mouse is detected in X as a 11 buttons mouse, but when I run xev, only 3 buttons works. I really need these 2 buttons, and I search for several days for a solution, without success. Help me please |
| 19:49.42 | MishMash | @FourierSeries: Yes, but the only support Redhat 8 |
| 19:49.51 | FourierSeries | mmm |
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| 19:50.05 | poli | MishMash: kernel modules are kernel modules |
| 19:50.19 | MishMash | that website tells me i need the cciss module |
| 19:50.20 | FourierSeries | MishMash: what module did they reccomend? |
| 19:50.24 | FourierSeries | aha |
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| 19:50.55 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 19:51.05 | rindolf | How can I filter messages through clamav on a dot-qmail file? |
| 19:51.05 | MishMash | do i have to rebuild my whole kernel, or can i add this module on the fly? |
| 19:51.25 | poli | MishMash: Depends on what HP offers you in that .rpm |
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| 19:51.32 | MishMash | no rpn |
| 19:51.34 | MishMash | rpm |
| 19:51.47 | MishMash | a dd.gz file, to create a floppy disk |
| 19:51.55 | MishMash | i've already created that disk by the way |
| 19:52.01 | poli | MishMash: oh... see what's inside, then... |
| 19:52.06 | FourierSeries | Um .. is there not a boot line one can add to force a module load ... |
| 19:52.27 | FourierSeries | MishMash: also, what kernel version are you using? |
| 19:52.35 | Eulex | FourierSeries, of course. add the module name to /etc/modules. |
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| 19:52.39 | MishMash | modinfo modules.cgz modules.dep pcitable rhdd-6.1 |
| 19:52.45 | MishMash | those are the files on the disk |
| 19:53.12 | MishMash | FourierSeries: I'm currently using a 2.6.14 kernel |
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| 19:53.46 | Eulex | MishMash, well, those modules on the disk won't work on your kernel. |
| 19:54.33 | rindolf | Found it: http://sageshome.net/oss/qclam.php |
| 19:54.40 | rindolf | MishMash: are you Israeli? |
| 19:55.07 | MishMash | No, i'm dutch :) |
| 19:55.27 | MishMash | ok, the disk is going into the trash :P |
| 19:55.38 | MishMash | how can i load the cciss driver? |
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| 19:56.00 | FourierSeries | MishMash: I'm rereading the conversation so far ... you rolled your own kernel; but, did not add the cciss driver in menuconfig? |
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| 19:56.17 | MishMash | i couldn't find it... :( |
| 19:56.20 | FourierSeries | ah |
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| 19:57.08 | FourierSeries | in theory, you could do a "modprobe cciss" but the driver needs to reside on disk |
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| 19:57.12 | FourierSeries | somewhere |
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| 19:57.30 | MishMash | module cciss not found... |
| 19:57.42 | Roey | FourierSeries: that's a DAMNED good nickname |
| 19:57.43 | poli | FourierSeries: his SCSI RAID is supported in cciss? |
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| 19:57.45 | rindolf | MishMash: mish-mash means disorder in Hebrew. But maybe it comes from Yiddish. |
| 19:57.46 | Roey | FourierSeries: thank you for making my day |
| 19:57.47 | Roey | :) |
| 19:58.03 | FourierSeries | Roey: uh, welcome ... |
| 19:58.04 | MishMash | lol |
| 19:58.14 | MishMash | i'm disordered :P |
| 19:58.33 | FourierSeries | poli: apparently HP's website says ccis is what he needs., |
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| 19:59.10 | __filip_ | How does i get gparted? |
| 19:59.14 | poli | FourierSeries: Well, seems easy enough, then. |
| 19:59.25 | poli | __filip_: tried apt-get install gparted ? |
| 19:59.33 | FourierSeries | so, really, it should be in menuconfig somewhere ... |
| 19:59.40 | MishMash | let's look |
| 19:59.46 | __filip_ | poli:yes |
| 19:59.48 | MishMash | agian... |
| 19:59.57 | poli | __filip_: What happens? |
| 20:00.07 | FourierSeries | whut the hay ... let's do a google ... |
| 20:00.15 | __filip_ | i send you an PM |
| 20:00.23 | poli | __filip_: ok |
| 20:01.51 | MishMash | where the hell can i find that cciss module... I can't find it :( |
| 20:02.03 | poli | FourierSeries: I have had many SCSI RAID cards running, and now I am doing some soft-RAID, and I am quite impressed by it. ;) |
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| 20:02.19 | poli | MishMash: If I wasn't compiling my kernel right now I could help you. |
| 20:02.29 | pitillo | well, with dpkg-reconfigure dont change the rights of /dev/dri/card0 |
| 20:02.31 | MishMash | i've found it... but it's already marked :S |
| 20:02.53 | MishMash | not as a module, but in the kernel |
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| 20:02.54 | poli | MishMash: Marked with * or M ? |
| 20:02.57 | MishMash | * |
| 20:02.57 | FourierSeries | MishMash: Ok, it's compiled in statically to the kernel then ... |
| 20:02.59 | opqdonut | I have an old pI box. Are there gonna problems if i plug in an ~160gig ide hd? |
| 20:03.19 | ansong | opqdonut, yes, yes you will |
| 20:03.24 | poli | opqdonut: Only if your BIOS doesn't do LBA. |
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| 20:03.51 | opqdonut | if ive got lba will the disk be fully visible? |
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| 20:04.02 | ansong | opqdonut, probably not at max capacity |
| 20:04.21 | xtheblack9x | what does compialing a kernel do? |
| 20:04.31 | poli | ansong: Once the BIOS get to boot the OS, I guess Linux won't have a problem with capacity, will it? |
| 20:04.32 | opqdonut | hmm... i'd like to use the box for something useful... |
| 20:04.36 | ansong | you might get 137 GB from it |
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| 20:04.42 | Blissex | opqdonut: it must have LBA48 for discs larger than 138GB/128GiB |
| 20:04.52 | debiankid | hey foxs i nedd download putty binary i have the source but i dont know how to compile |
| 20:04.58 | opqdonut | ok, well i'll settle for 100gig then |
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| 20:05.17 | opqdonut | debiankid: read the INSTALL file in the sources |
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| 20:05.28 | poli | debiankid: just for the record... why do need putty on linux anyway? |
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| 20:05.55 | jzono1 | i have an existing debian woody setup on my dads box |
| 20:06.04 | jzono1 | i want to trim down on the unneccesary stuff |
| 20:06.05 | FourierSeries | MishMash: by the way - changing the "*" to a "M" will make it a module. But ( IIRC ) if it is a "*" then it is already compiled into the kernel. Methinks you are missing something else ... |
| 20:06.10 | jzono1 | without having to format |
| 20:06.20 | ansong | poli, if your BIOS can see it, you're probably ok. some older machines boards (hp vectra, some compaq deskpro's) have a geometry setting to change from DOS to "other" for getting a *nix installed correctly |
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| 20:06.49 | poli | MishMash: How do you know it isn't working? |
| 20:07.09 | pinkhead | This just in: Linus himself uses Mandrake, not Debian, as previously believed. See the kernel developers mailing list! |
| 20:07.29 | poli | Does Mandrake still exist? |
| 20:07.29 | MishMash | @poli: I can't find it back in my dmesg |
| 20:07.45 | MishMash | no, it's now mandriva |
| 20:07.53 | ansong | pinkhead, AAaaaahh. oh wait, i'm ok |
| 20:08.10 | poli | MishMash: If I remember right, you should be able to see dome /dev/md* in dmesg... |
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| 20:08.23 | koudelka__ | what could block client machines tcp connection except firewall? |
| 20:08.38 | poli | koudelka__: please elaborate |
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| 20:08.44 | ansong | koudelka__, an airgap. is it plugged in? |
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| 20:08.56 | js_ | koudelka__: host.allow/deny |
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| 20:09.01 | koudelka__ | udp works fine |
| 20:09.05 | js_ | oops, hosts even |
| 20:09.05 | rovragge | anyone here using logcheck with postfix syslog messages that would like to share logcheck ignore config settings? |
| 20:09.13 | poli | koudelka__: You could go for tcpwrappers in /etc/host.deny |
| 20:09.14 | FourierSeries | MishMash: also, just out of curiosity, does the system boot? |
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| 20:09.42 | poli | koudelka__: and why wouldn't you just use iptables anyway? |
| 20:09.50 | MishMash | The system does boot fine |
| 20:10.01 | poli | MishMash: How many HDs? |
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| 20:10.11 | FourierSeries | MishMash: apparently you are not booting off the array itself? |
| 20:10.22 | MishMash | the root disk is a seperate scsi harddisk on a adaptec controller |
| 20:10.24 | koudelka__ | poli, and do what? |
| 20:10.50 | MishMash | there are 3 disks on the raid controller |
| 20:10.51 | pinkhead | Mandrake still exists. It's just not available in stores. |
| 20:10.51 | poli | koudelka__: use one of the many firewall builder packages available in debian. |
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| 20:10.56 | MishMash | configured for a hardware raid 5 |
| 20:11.01 | pinkhead | ... that's the whole point of open source |
| 20:11.19 | poli | MishMash: hum |
| 20:11.20 | koudelka__ | i want them to get tcp connection |
| 20:11.38 | poli | MishMash: I could nbe wrong but... linux does not need to know you are using a hardware RAID.... |
| 20:11.45 | FourierSeries | MishMash: Ok. Really all we are now doing then is to find the device so we can part/mount/mkfs .... |
| 20:11.48 | ansong | koudelka__, oh, i don't know if this is considered a firewall or not, but i'm using the portsentry package. it can be configured for various sensitivity levels for each protocol. if that's installed it might be an issue |
| 20:11.51 | poli | koudelka__: Firewalls are much more flexible than you think, then. |
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| 20:12.20 | MishMash | FourierSeries: Ok, can you guide me trough the process? |
| 20:12.38 | koudelka__ | poli, have disabeled all firewalls |
| 20:12.41 | koudelka__ | same prob |
| 20:12.45 | poli | FourierSeries: as a hardware RAID, isn't it possible that linux doesn't even get to know it is over a RAID |
| 20:12.50 | __filip_ | When i try to install gparted in synaptic i get this error: http://pastebin.com/473569 somebody know what i should do? |
| 20:12.58 | koudelka__ | if not someone is running far in the back |
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| 20:13.04 | poli | koudelka__: Well, firewalls are much more flexible than you think they are. |
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| 20:13.11 | minra_IBM | how do i slap a debian maintainer with a large trout? uqm and uqm-content are broken. joey hess, you here? |
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| 20:13.32 | FourierSeries | MishMash: I wish I knew off hand what the device name should default to. Do you know how to use the paste function in this channel? or can you join #flood? |
| 20:13.35 | sadasd | Anyone have a good backup guide for debian? |
| 20:13.40 | sadasd | When I /msg dpkg backup he gives no link |
| 20:13.41 | FourierSeries | poli: right. |
| 20:13.45 | nixie | minra_IBM: apt-get install reportbug? |
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| 20:13.49 | sadasd | Hey dpkg |
| 20:13.53 | minra_IBM | thanks nixie |
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| 20:13.54 | MishMash | i know how the past function work, but let's join #flood |
| 20:13.57 | sadasd | dpkg here? |
| 20:14.01 | nuxil | hello deb users |
| 20:14.01 | dpkg | sadasd is here. Auto-here every 10 minutes. Log is ON. |
| 20:14.03 | FourierSeries | MishMash: 'k |
| 20:14.17 | nuxil | anyone with experiance with bootsplash |
| 20:14.19 | sadasd | dpkg start a distro war |
| 20:14.19 | dpkg | RHEL rocks! |
| 20:14.21 | nixie | minra_IBM: check out the known bugs on BTS first, might save you the trouble. bugs.debian.org |
| 20:14.23 | nuxil | i have a Q.. when selected the bootsplash option in the kernel a "patched kernel".. shoulnt /proc/splash appare after recompiing and running the new kernel? even tho if you not use the bootsplash thing |
| 20:14.42 | nuxil | or will /proc/splash be make if bootsplash is used?? |
| 20:14.46 | nuxil | i mean will /proc/splash only be make if bootsplash is used? |
| 20:14.49 | koudelka__ | poli, so i should download more firewalls? |
| 20:14.53 | FourierSeries | MishMash: Ok. Can you paste your boot messages? Or do "dmesg > d.txt" and post d.txt ? |
| 20:14.58 | cheal | sadasd: are you identified to nickserv? |
| 20:15.09 | jzono1 | cheal: i think so |
| 20:15.11 | __filip_ | Is it nobody that know how to isntall gparted? |
| 20:15.18 | sadasd | cheal yes |
| 20:15.18 | poli | koudelka__: more isn't the term... you should understand how firewalls work. Google iptables HOWTO. |
| 20:15.19 | jzono1 | cheal: why? |
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| 20:15.48 | sadasd | cheal: I want a good guide/howto for backing up |
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| 20:15.51 | freeziekat | does anyone know how to setup spf records in bind9? |
| 20:15.58 | FourierSeries | MishMash: note - paste it to #flood please. |
| 20:16.12 | sadasd | freeziekat: I bet #bind would know. |
| 20:16.19 | cheal | jzono1: I misunderstood sadasd's problem |
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| 20:16.36 | cheal | sadasd: ok, I don't know |
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| 20:16.54 | nuxil | can anyone help me |
| 20:16.54 | FarrisG | can you add a welcome message to sshd? |
| 20:16.55 | odla_ | tarzeau: bubnbros? |
| 20:17.15 | freeziekat | there are only like 6 ppl in #bind |
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| 20:17.25 | freeziekat | they all look idle |
| 20:17.29 | funkyhat_ | Can anyone point me to a good tutorial for the Linksys WUSB11? |
| 20:17.33 | sadasd | freeziekat: Nick alert them all to get them to wake up. |
| 20:17.54 | psycose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.57 | tolsen | is there a command to check the md5sum of a file against the md5sum in the dpkg database? |
| 20:19.05 | SerajewelKS | psycose: does `lsusb` show the device? |
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| 20:19.51 | SerajewelKS | tolsen: apt-get install debsums #iirc |
| 20:20.07 | tolsen | thanks |
| 20:20.44 | FourierSeries | !paste |
| 20:20.44 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 20:20.47 | psycose | SerajewelKS, dmesg output tell us the device is recognize, and lsmod tells us the ndiswrapper module is loaded, unfortunatly he is not on is pc now ... |
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| 20:21.15 | sadasd | SerajewelKS: You know a good guide/howto on backing up a debian system. |
| 20:21.25 | poli | z |
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| 20:21.29 | D-N-A | when i apt-get kdevelop it said the is an error |
| 20:21.30 | nuxil | you all sux |
| 20:21.41 | sadasd | D-N-A: apt-get install kdevelop3 |
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| 20:21.52 | kspath | nuxil: thank you |
| 20:21.57 | nuxil | kspath np |
| 20:21.59 | SerajewelKS | sadasd: tar -clf /media/something/backup.tar / |
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| 20:22.49 | SerajewelKS | sadasd: or, to get all filesystems, tar --exclude /backup.tar -cf /backup.tar / |
| 20:22.52 | nuxil | kspath do yo know the answer to my Q |
| 20:22.53 | SerajewelKS | sadasd: or something like that |
| 20:22.58 | bucky | nuxil: bootsplash.org |
| 20:23.12 | nuxil | bucky they wount tell me this |
| 20:23.15 | kspath | nuxil: you have a line or a question? |
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| 20:23.27 | nuxil | kspath read up |
| 20:23.40 | nuxil | or did you join after |
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| 20:24.07 | SerajewelKS | nuxil: or we don't feel like scanning five pages of backscroll to find it |
| 20:24.28 | kspath | nuxil: no I am just very old and very slow |
| 20:24.29 | nuxil | SerajewelKS its not on bootsplash.org or bootsplash.de |
| 20:24.44 | SerajewelKS | nuxil: don't complain to me, i didn't tell you that address |
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| 20:25.06 | kspath | nuxil: maybe google has info? |
| 20:25.22 | nuxil | SerajewelKS its just howto install it. and its underdocumented |
| 20:25.30 | SerajewelKS | nuxil: install *what* |
| 20:25.36 | J_P | pessoal, sei q eh oftopi, mas meu projeto python no svn comecou a dar esse problema: |
| 20:25.37 | nuxil | bootsplash |
| 20:25.37 | J_P | jp@neo:~/Projetos/PRJ_DEV_MOBCAP$ svn move SWAN_WEBCAP/ SWAN_MOBCAP/ |
| 20:25.37 | J_P | svn: Cpia de trabalho 'SWAN_MOBCAP' est perdida ou no est travada |
| 20:25.53 | J_P | alguem tem ideia d como resolver isso ? |
| 20:25.57 | SerajewelKS | nuxil: it's a kernel patch. if you don't like messing around with compiling kernels, forget about bootsplash. |
| 20:25.58 | sadasd | !debian-es |
| 20:26.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:26.01 | __filip_ | Is it noone that know how i get gparted? |
| 20:26.01 | J_P | sempre estah dando esse erro ae |
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| 20:26.04 | koudelka__ | poli, isn't my firewall disabled when i disabel it? |
| 20:26.21 | nuxil | SerajewelKS i can compile my own kernel.. |
| 20:26.22 | sadasd | __filip_: I type "apt-get install gparted" to get it. |
| 20:26.33 | SerajewelKS | nuxil: and do you know how to apply kernel patches? |
| 20:26.35 | poli | koudelka__: How did you disable it? |
| 20:26.36 | __filip_ | i get error when doing that |
| 20:26.42 | nuxil | SerajewelKS but im not so sure the patch i used works.. |
| 20:26.43 | sadasd | !tell J_P about debian-es |
| 20:26.46 | koudelka__ | firestarter |
| 20:26.52 | nuxil | SerajewelKS eventho it compiles with errors |
| 20:26.54 | koudelka__ | isn't it the same as ip tables? |
| 20:26.54 | J_P | sadasd: ok |
| 20:27.01 | poli | __filip_: paste the error in #flood |
| 20:27.12 | nuxil | SerajewelKS yes i can patch |
| 20:27.24 | SerajewelKS | nuxil: then you should have no problem doing this |
| 20:27.38 | SerajewelKS | nixie: google for 'debian bootsplash' if you need help. there are quite a few tutorials out there. |
| 20:27.48 | __filip_ | poli:done |
| 20:27.57 | nuxil | SerajewelKS the Q was when selected the bootsplash option in the kernel a "patched kernel".. shoulnt /proc/splash appare after recompiing and running the new kernel? even tho if you not use the bootsplash thing |
| 20:28.09 | nixie | SerajewelKS: bootsplash ownz me |
| 20:28.27 | takatumi | tarzeau: interesting, will try it. |
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| 20:28.39 | nuxil | nixie do you know |
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| 20:28.43 | Fujoor | exit |
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| 20:28.57 | nixie | nuxil: only for default kernels, not debian kernels |
| 20:28.57 | flexy | I need help to get a usb dvd player running. What to include in kernel? |
| 20:28.59 | mikael_ | hello |
| 20:29.08 | poli | __filip_: Oh, sorry for that... gparted is not available in Sarge. |
| 20:29.16 | nuxil | nixie yea i use a custom kernel |
| 20:29.24 | nuxil | 2.6.14 |
| 20:29.27 | __filip_ | How can i get it then? |
| 20:29.31 | SerajewelKS | poli: yes it is |
| 20:29.31 | nuxil | 2.6.14-4 to be presice |
| 20:29.39 | mikael_ | do you know which package should i use to set up ipsec with debian ? |
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| 20:29.55 | SerajewelKS | poli: it's in testing anyway |
| 20:29.55 | poli | SerajewelKS: The only one I get needs libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) |
| 20:29.59 | nixie | nuxil: google bootsplash 2.6.14, patch it, enable it, add bootsplash sources to /etc/apt/sources.list, read manual on how to activate it with grub/lilo. |
| 20:30.04 | mikael_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.11 | SerajewelKS | poli: oh wait, that's what you said |
| 20:30.18 | nuxil | nixie jesus... you guys dont get my Q |
| 20:30.19 | SerajewelKS | !moron me |
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| 20:30.19 | dpkg | serajewelks: You are moron #76 |
| 20:30.44 | poli | __filip_: not available in Sarge... doesn't parted solve your problem? |
| 20:31.09 | nuxil | nixie i have no problem reading the wikis and howto's i read several.. but thers no info about this,, my Q that is |
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| 20:31.23 | __filip_ | poli: How can i update to testing or something like that? |
| 20:31.24 | nixie | repeat the question |
| 20:31.24 | kspath | !moron me |
| 20:31.25 | dpkg | kspath: You are moron #46 |
| 20:31.32 | kspath | hmm |
| 20:32.01 | poli | __filip_: are you SURE you want to do that only because of gparted? Can't you use some other partitioning software? |
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| 20:32.27 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: backport it |
| 20:32.30 | koudelka__ | poli, isn't it disabeled when it shows nothing on iptabeles -L ? |
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| 20:32.52 | __filip_ | poli: Yes i whant that if there is no other partitiong program like gparted. |
| 20:32.56 | poli | koudelka__: Should be, yes. Try a iptables -t nat -L should be empty too. |
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| 20:33.07 | __filip_ | SerajewelKS: How does i do that ? |
| 20:33.19 | poli | __filip_: There are some available... try parted, it has basically the same functionality. |
| 20:33.22 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: do you have deb-src lines for testing in your sources.list? |
| 20:33.37 | __filip_ | SerajewelKS: Dont know |
| 20:33.52 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: so check |
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| 20:33.57 | csezol | I've downloaded the netinstall images with wget, pauseing it many times, than using wget -c.. Now i've written it to a cd, and after checking cdrom, it says i should check it's integrity, and leaves with error.. I didn't find any md5 sums on the debian website, so i cannot check if it is ok.. What should i do ? Should i reburn the cd, and try again ? |
| 20:33.57 | koudelka__ | poli, yes it is |
| 20:34.00 | poli | SerajewelKS: Probably not. |
| 20:34.10 | nuxil | erm.. you all sux more now |
| 20:34.21 | nuxil | :p |
| 20:34.21 | poli | koudelka__: does it show ACCEPT for INPUT in iptables -L ? |
| 20:34.22 | SerajewelKS | poli: what? i didn't say anything. |
| 20:34.27 | __filip_ | SerajewelKS: How does i look up that? i can paste my sources.list in flood |
| 20:34.43 | poli | SerajewelKS: He probably doesn't have testing lines in sources.list |
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| 20:34.45 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: just look for a 'deb-src' line that uses testing |
| 20:34.49 | csezol | Note: i have the 108 mb one. |
| 20:34.51 | SerajewelKS | poli: oh |
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| 20:35.32 | ZiX_ | how to get japanese fonts working? |
| 20:35.37 | ZiX_ | cuz i'm learning japanese.. |
| 20:35.39 | koudelka__ | poli, when it' disabeled? |
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| 20:35.50 | blondie | unncessary, all the world will speak English soon |
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| 20:36.04 | csezol | ZiX, go learn hungarian and f*ck japanese :P |
| 20:36.05 | paulswm | Or Chinese, blondie :P |
| 20:36.10 | SerajewelKS | !troll nuxil |
| 20:36.18 | csezol | I've downloaded the netinstall images with wget, pauseing it many times, than using wget -c.. Now i've written it to a cd, and after checking cdrom, it says i should check it's integrity, and leaves with error.. I didn't find any md5 sums on the debian website, so i cannot check if it is ok.. What should i do ? Should i reburn the cd, and try again ? |
| 20:36.31 | blondie | paulswm: I hope not |
| 20:36.40 | koudelka__ | poli, got this one Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 20:36.43 | paulswm | blondie: Yeah, well, me too |
| 20:36.45 | __filip_ | SerajewelKS: I sent an PM to you. What does i need to add? |
| 20:36.50 | nixie | csezol: what iso? i canmake an mdsum for ya |
| 20:36.56 | blondie | luckily the chinese use more than one |
| 20:36.56 | poli | koudelka__: then it is disabled. |
| 20:37.07 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: see that 'deb-src' line at the top? |
| 20:37.11 | Fujoor | hey guys, ive finally managed to install debian on one of my computers, what do i need to set up a working gui? fluxbox and what more? xorg? xorg-server? |
| 20:37.12 | csezol | nixie, the netinst iso for i386 |
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| 20:37.23 | ZiX_ | csezol: no.. |
| 20:37.27 | koudelka__ | poli, ok, then what could block tcp connections>> |
| 20:37.28 | nixie | csezol: can you /msg me the url? |
| 20:37.30 | ZiX_ | Japanese is better xD |
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| 20:37.32 | __filip_ | SerajewelKS: Yes. |
| 20:37.33 | poli | __filip_: what partitioning functionality do you need? |
| 20:37.33 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: copy that line to the bottom and change 'stable' to 'testing' |
| 20:37.33 | odla | Fujoor: you need x-windows-system |
| 20:37.40 | poli | koudelka__: all tcp connections? |
| 20:37.40 | ZiX_ | Watashi wa ZiX desu |
| 20:37.43 | __filip_ | SerajewelKS: OK |
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| 20:37.49 | Fujoor | odla: ok, so what is it called? apt-get x-? |
| 20:37.49 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: then do 'apt-get update' |
| 20:37.53 | __filip_ | poli: need to resize an partition |
| 20:37.57 | odla | Fujoor: apt-get install x-windows-system |
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| 20:38.09 | Fujoor | odla: oh so its actually called x-windows-system? |
| 20:38.12 | goron | I do updatedb. I do locate, and I get locate database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is corrupt or invalid |
| 20:38.17 | odla | Fujoor: yup |
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| 20:38.21 | Fujoor | odla: and then fluxbox? |
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| 20:38.28 | Fujoor | odla: and then aterm? |
| 20:38.28 | koudelka__ | poli, i got full tcp, and udp but those machines i share my connection to just gets udp and no tcp |
| 20:38.29 | odla | Fujoor: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 20:38.32 | poli | goron: You have to wait for updatedb to finish |
| 20:38.38 | goron | poli: I did that. |
| 20:38.40 | Fujoor | odla: then i should be set to work in a gui? |
| 20:38.41 | odla | Fujoor: if you want aterm yup |
| 20:38.56 | goron | poli: But possibly I didn't do that another time. |
| 20:38.56 | Fujoor | odla: thanks buddy, ill go try it right away |
| 20:38.56 | poli | koudelka__: Please state your problem again, I must have missed it. |
| 20:38.57 | odla | Fujoor: yes...it will give you xdm by default and you may choose to install gdm or kdm if you wish |
| 20:39.01 | odla | Fujoor: np |
| 20:39.01 | Kore-Neko | :D |
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| 20:39.04 | Fujoor | ah, lovely |
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| 20:39.07 | csezol | nixie, done. |
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| 20:39.27 | __filip_ | SerajewelKS: Still get the same message:/ |
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| 20:39.54 | koudelka__ | im using this comp as an gateway so the other client machines can get internet, but they're only geting udp |
| 20:40.16 | koudelka__ | i got both udp and tcp on this |
| 20:40.22 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: right, you need to do a backport |
| 20:40.39 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: as root, type: apt-get build-deb gparted |
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| 20:40.39 | __filip_ | SerajewelKS: How to do that then? |
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| 20:40.44 | koudelka__ | i've been working with this problem all day >> |
| 20:40.47 | __filip_ | okej |
| 20:40.47 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: oops |
| 20:40.53 | SerajewelKS | __filip_: apt-get build-dep gparted |
| 20:41.08 | poli | koudelka__: oh... you should have some lines in iptables -t nat -L then |
| 20:41.18 | poli | koudelka__: Did you read a HOWTO about it? |
| 20:41.22 | __filip_ | E: Build-dependencies for gparted could not be satisfied. |
| 20:41.30 | D-meist | Hello all |
| 20:41.31 | koudelka__ | i have lines when its not disabeled |
| 20:41.41 | goron | poli: What can I do? |
| 20:41.51 | Kore-Neko | i'm serious guys... how to get debian to show japanese chars? |
| 20:41.57 | poli | goron: did you run updatedb again? |
| 20:42.12 | kyncani | __filip_: why don't you just get the already built gparted ? |
| 20:42.14 | goron | poli: yes |
| 20:42.28 | poli | kyncani: no package on stable |
| 20:42.40 | KoreNeko | guys? |
| 20:42.43 | poli | goron: does it return some error? |
| 20:42.45 | koudelka__ | KoreNeko, had the same problem searched for japanese in apt and downloaded whats looked like fonts :) |
| 20:42.48 | KoreNeko | i don't have much time anymore :( |
| 20:42.49 | __filip_ | kyncani: because SerajewelKS say that i should do like this |
| 20:42.50 | KoreNeko | ohh xD |
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| 20:42.56 | koudelka__ | worked for me :D |
| 20:43.01 | KoreNeko | okay :p |
| 20:43.03 | kyncani | poli, __filip_ : qtparted is not on stable either ? |
| 20:43.04 | D-meist | Having problems installing PHP5, can someone help? |
| 20:43.07 | KoreNeko | you can speak japanese too? |
| 20:43.09 | KoreNeko | i'm learning it |
| 20:43.12 | koudelka__ | nop |
| 20:43.12 | KoreNeko | i can only speak simple words |
| 20:43.15 | unbekannt | does anyone have a pointer getting also up on Debian? |
| 20:43.16 | __filip_ | kyncani: dont know |
| 20:43.17 | KoreNeko | and the japanese alfabet |
| 20:43.18 | KoreNeko | xD |
| 20:43.22 | unbekannt | alsa |
| 20:43.23 | poli | kyncani: parted is but I don't know if it can do resizing. |
| 20:43.29 | KoreNeko | and i have to learn the chars.. |
| 20:43.30 | mathias64 | unbekannt: /etc/init.d/also start |
| 20:43.31 | freeziekat | hey if anyone knows spf can you msg me, I am having some probs w/ inserting spf records into my bind9 zone files |
| 20:43.34 | goron | poli: updatedb gives no errors. |
| 20:43.37 | __filip_ | kyncani: No it is not |
| 20:43.41 | koudelka__ | KoreNeko, no time to learn :( |
| 20:43.49 | KoreNeko | koudelka__: xD |
| 20:43.55 | KoreNeko | koudelka__: i'm learning it now, it's really easy :D |
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| 20:44.04 | unbekannt | mathias64: that's great; and alsamixer runs just fine, but Sun's jdk can't "see" the alsa mixer for some reason |
| 20:44.05 | KoreNeko | one of the easiest languages to learn! |
| 20:44.08 | wwallace_lap | how do i change to spanish? |
| 20:44.13 | KoreNeko | you just need the good site |
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| 20:44.20 | poli | goron: Can't really tell you, then. I would go for deleting the locate database and going for updatedb once more. |
| 20:44.21 | koudelka__ | KoreNeko, just wanted to have original names on my jidol photobooks :) |
| 20:44.23 | KoreNeko | http://www.freejapaneselessons.com/ |
| 20:44.25 | cat | wwallace_lap: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:44.26 | KoreNeko | koudelka__: :p |
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| 20:44.40 | wwallace_lap | as root? |
| 20:44.43 | cat | yeap |
| 20:44.51 | mathias64 | unbekannt: you meant alsa? You said also. Anyway, hmm. So alsamixer works fro the command line but you have trouble with java |
| 20:45.05 | poli | __filip_: apt-get install parted |
| 20:45.23 | kyncani | __filip_, poli: why don't you just use parted then without any graphical interface ? |
| 20:45.25 | poli | __filip_: It does resizing... go for that first then for compiling gparted if you can't understand the interface. |
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| 20:45.44 | poli | kyncani: It was taking me ages to get it installed so I could check if it did resizing... |
| 20:45.47 | unbekannt | mathias64: yep; and it works under fedora core 4; but I don't want to use that :-) |
| 20:45.48 | __filip_ | poli i have done that but there is no GUI for that |
| 20:45.56 | __filip_ | poli: okej i will give it a try |
| 20:46.14 | poli | __filip_: Try to learn the interface before trying to compile gparted... |
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| 20:46.28 | mathias64 | unbekannt: hmm. SO you ahve the same kernel, the same alsa version, and the same java install,. but one works and one doesn't? |
| 20:46.52 | unbekannt | basically, yes; its the 2.6.12 kernel from redhat of course, and the 2.6.12 kernel from testing |
| 20:47.02 | KoreNeko | dpkg: learn japanese is http://www.freejapaneselessons.com |
| 20:47.07 | KoreNeko | ... |
| 20:47.14 | __filip_ | poli: what should i write if i whant to make my hda5 5 GB smaller? it is an nfts |
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| 20:47.35 | mathias64 | unbekannt: what about the alsa version and the jdk version? |
| 20:48.00 | KoreNeko | 21:47:50 <KoreNeko> japanese tutorial is http://www.freejapaneselessons.com |
| 20:48.00 | KoreNeko | 21:47:51 <dpkg> okay, KoreNeko |
| 20:48.03 | KoreNeko | yay ^^ |
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| 20:49.59 | blondie | o.O |
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| 20:54.10 | unbekannt | mathias64: jdk-1.5.0_6 and alsa 1.0.10-1 |
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| 20:54.27 | SimonRaven | i wonder how relevant that is debian, but whateva |
| 20:54.35 | mathias64 | unbekannt: they are identical on both machines? |
| 20:54.59 | tenner | would the information about s spambot or something in here be useful? |
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| 20:56.32 | unbekannt | alsa-lib-1.0.10-2.FC4 on the fedora box; and the jdk is exactly the same |
| 20:56.35 | SimonRaven | tenner: #freenode |
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| 20:56.57 | tenner | ok. that'll do |
| 20:57.05 | Eva | i was windering a little. I have a dual-head nvidia graphic card. it is possible to have both monitors working in the same time BUT in text mode? |
| 20:57.24 | pumpkin0 | Eva: if both show the same thing... |
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| 20:58.17 | mathias64 | unbekannt: well, that is really odd. Does the jdk go to the mixer through a file in /dev? Maybe the permissions are different. |
| 20:58.19 | Eva | pumpkin0, it does...but I was asking about having 2 diffenrents sreens as in X using xinerama |
| 20:58.44 | Fujoor | odla: are you still there, i think i managed to set wrong resolution, what is the commando to change it? |
| 20:58.50 | D-N-A | i have gnome and kde on my linux system |
| 20:58.50 | cahoot | mathias64: using oss-emulation perhaps? |
| 20:58.57 | opqdonut | can i throw a pci sata-controller into an old box and expect things to work? |
| 20:58.59 | D-N-A | how can i switch to them |
| 20:59.03 | D-N-A | ? |
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| 20:59.15 | Fujoor | the command to change all the hardware details after install x-window-system ... xconfig? |
| 20:59.30 | MyWay | Hi, How can i manage my volumes? |
| 20:59.38 | opqdonut | Fujoor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 20:59.51 | SerajewelKS | !drxx |
| 20:59.51 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:59.53 | Fujoor | opqdonut: thats probably it, thanks, ill go try it out |
| 20:59.57 | pumpkin0 | Eva: Use 2 Xterms. Or go the very, very hard way: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/ |
| 21:00.26 | MyWay | How can i manage my volumes? |
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| 21:00.41 | D-N-A | how can i switch between kde,gnome |
| 21:00.42 | D-N-A | ?? |
| 21:00.42 | Eva | pumpkin0, the multiuser is kind of having 2 sistems in the same computer, isn't it? |
| 21:00.52 | ZiX_ | ... |
| 21:00.54 | ZiX_ | hi |
| 21:01.03 | pumpkin0 | MyWay: Volumes as partition volumes or as music-volume ? |
| 21:01.10 | MyWay | music |
| 21:01.12 | pumpkin0 | Eva: yes. |
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| 21:01.24 | pumpkin0 | MyWay: install and launch aumix |
| 21:01.28 | ZiX_ | guys |
| 21:01.33 | MyWay | my songs move but can't listen the audio |
| 21:01.36 | ZiX_ | can you tell me how to install japanese fonts? |
| 21:01.45 | ZiX_ | so they work inside firefox? |
| 21:01.57 | MyWay | oh damn i find the problem :P |
| 21:02.09 | Eclipser | ZiX_, easiest way is to install all fonts available :p |
| 21:02.49 | Eva | pumpkin0, well, i wanted to have just one system 2 screens and 2 different CLI's |
| 21:02.52 | ZiX_ | Eclipser: ... |
| 21:02.58 | ZiX_ | Eclipser: how to do that? xD |
| 21:03.13 | herkules | anyone know if it is posible to remote desktop from a windows machine to a linux box? I know that it is posible the other way around and also know it is posible with vnc but I need to be able to log on to the linux box from a windows box... |
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| 21:03.32 | Eclipser | last time I did it I made some one liner with apt-get, awk and grep but I can't remember how :p |
| 21:03.32 | herkules | with GUI interface |
| 21:03.34 | pumpkin0 | Eva: no way. The Kernel just cannot handle 2 VTs at the same time. Use 2 Xterms under X |
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| 21:04.00 | Eva | jmmm |
| 21:04.15 | Eva | pumpkin0, thanks :) |
| 21:04.20 | Kluster_v2 | herkules, you said it, vnc |
| 21:04.20 | pumpkin0 | herkules: yes. There are X11-clients under windows. just ask google. |
| 21:04.37 | herkules | do you think of putty and such? |
| 21:04.55 | herkules | already installed that and have xwin32 running... |
| 21:05.06 | pumpkin0 | herkules: that should do the trick. |
| 21:05.22 | herkules | working fine with programs but cant do "startx" |
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| 21:06.29 | freeziekat | hey, how do I download a file through the shell if it's on http://something.com/asd.tar ? |
| 21:06.32 | pumpkin0 | herkules: You don't have to start startx. You just start the programs as usual. The windows-Box does the "startx"-part. |
| 21:06.47 | pumpkin0 | freeziekat: wget file-you-want |
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| 21:07.08 | freeziekat | thx pumpkin0 |
| 21:07.29 | herkules | no way I can get the GUI interface (like in vnc)? |
| 21:07.34 | FarrisG | Is /etc/motd created at startup? |
| 21:07.49 | mathias64 | FarrisG: no, you just make it by hand. |
| 21:08.04 | pumpkin0 | herkules: yes, no problem. start a vnc-server on the linux-box and install a vnc-client under windows. |
| 21:08.43 | deadcat | hehe. watching "spy game" if you look closely at the wall when he sends the document to the hong kong embassy, theres a tux stuff toy hanging on the wall (= |
| 21:08.44 | FarrisG | mathias64: Why is it that when I just edited grub's menu.lst to use a different default kernel, when I rebooted the /etc/motd changed? |
| 21:09.14 | rovragge | freeziekat: try wget |
| 21:09.18 | jdhutchin1 | FarrisG, because something else changed /etc/motd? |
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| 21:09.29 | herkules | yeah, also done that... but cant logon after reboot with vnc.. you have to be logon on at needs to start the server part.. |
| 21:09.33 | FarrisG | jdhutchin1: Yeah, what something would do that? |
| 21:09.42 | herkules | of vnc |
| 21:09.56 | jdhutchin1 | FarrisG, who knows, what else did you do? |
| 21:09.58 | mathias64 | FarrisG: look at /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 21:10.22 | FarrisG | jdhutchin1: absolutely nothing |
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| 21:10.26 | mathias64 | jdhutchin1: bootmisc.sh puts uname -a at the top of /etc/motd. That's why it changed when he rebooted. |
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| 21:10.40 | pumpkin0 | herkules: start the vncserver like you start X. create a file called /etc/rc2.d/S99vnc and put the startup for vncserver in that. |
| 21:10.50 | mathias64 | Three steps to solve your problem: cd /etc/init.d && grep motd * && less bootmisc.sh |
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| 21:11.20 | FarrisG | mathias64: ah ha! Thanks |
| 21:11.31 | endri | hi i compiled kernel-2.6.14 yesterday but now games like tuxkart armagetron are too slow |
| 21:11.42 | herkules | uhh, will the server then be running eventhough no one is loged on the the linux box? |
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| 21:11.57 | endri | they werent in kernel 2.6.8 |
| 21:12.03 | pumpkin0 | endri: you forgot to enable the drm/3d-driver for your gfx-card. |
| 21:12.11 | pumpkin0 | herkules: yes. |
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| 21:12.18 | herkules | cool, thanks.. |
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| 21:12.45 | pumpkin0 | herkules: and make the file executable. |
| 21:12.46 | endri | what should i do now pumpkin0 |
| 21:13.19 | ldexter | is pumpkin0 the first pumpkin interface? |
| 21:13.25 | rdancer | there was a dictionary package for X, with tooltip definition popping up every time the X selection would change |
| 21:13.31 | pumpkin0 | endri: review all kernel-options concerning gfx-cards. Which one do you have ? |
| 21:13.45 | rdancer | the data were non-free or something like that... can somebody remember the package name? |
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| 21:14.13 | blondie | ldexter: the first pumpkin in /dev |
| 21:14.53 | endri | how can i do it pumkin0 |
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| 21:15.10 | endri | im new to linux i dont know very well |
| 21:15.10 | meriad | Invalid command 'FastCgiIpcDir', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 21:15.15 | meriad | whats the deal with taht "? |
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| 21:15.40 | meriad | i have the module installed.. but it wont work :/ |
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| 21:15.47 | pumpkin0 | endri: goto /usr/src/linux/ and run "make xconfig" |
| 21:16.36 | koudelka__ | i use this comp as an gateway so other machines in my network can get internet but they are only getting udp and not tcp i need help to fix this |
| 21:17.09 | pumpkin0 | endri: that should give a interface with the config for the kernel you want to build. These all have to be adjusted to your hardware. |
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| 21:17.33 | Eclipser | ZiX, aptitude install `apt-cache pkgnames | grep "^ttf-\|^xfont"` # will install at least most fonts |
| 21:18.18 | mathias64 | pumpkin0: there really isn;t a precompiled module for what he wants? |
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| 21:18.38 | abrotman | what kind of idiot runs make xconfig ? |
| 21:18.46 | pumpkin0 | mathias64: if he wants a self-compiled kernel... |
| 21:18.57 | mathias64 | pumpkin0: Maybe i missed where he asked for that. |
| 21:19.16 | abrotman | endri: do you have an nvidia or ati card ? |
| 21:19.34 | goron | (without context, I guess everybody who compiled a kernel has seen make xconfig) |
| 21:19.50 | flexy | if cdrecord --scanbus says that I have a device in scsibus0: 0,0,0 What is the device name really? In /dev/ I mean? |
| 21:20.49 | kyncani | endri: if i was new with gnu/linux, i would not use debian. Maybe something like ubuntu/mandrake/suse. |
| 21:20.56 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:20.58 | abrotman | debian is fine .. |
| 21:21.00 | mathias64 | kyncani: what? |
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| 21:21.08 | Eclipser | flexy, you can't compare cdrecord scanbus and /dev devices, really |
| 21:21.12 | pumpkin0 | kyncani: yes, but do not yes that in this channel... |
| 21:21.14 | abrotman | kyncani: and you do know .. it's not called mandrake anymore .. right ? |
| 21:21.19 | tiCo89 | if its scsi i think its /dev/sd* @ flexy |
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| 21:21.21 | Eclipser | flexy, best way to check where it is, is grepping for it from dmesg |
| 21:21.29 | endri | i dont have nvidia |
| 21:21.34 | Eclipser | tiCo89, it might be atapi too :p |
| 21:21.41 | kyncani | abrotman, mathias64 : more graphical sugar |
| 21:21.52 | endri | kyncani: maybe ur right |
| 21:21.59 | endri | but i want to try |
| 21:22.20 | kyncani | abrotman, mathias64 : and he's compiling a new kernel (just for the fun of it i think) and is now having a problem ... |
| 21:23.06 | mathias64 | endri: how exactly did you compile the kernel yesterday? Why did you think you needed to compile it? |
| 21:23.06 | flexy | Eclipser: its usb device... I'll try to find from logs something useful, but this is a pain in the ass everytime I try something with ide-scsi |
| 21:23.06 | pumpkin0 | endri: forget about compiling the kernel yourself. use a precompiled kernel. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.Version-you-want |
| 21:23.06 | endri | make menuconfig |
| 21:23.08 | pumpkin0 | flexy: try /dev/sdXY |
| 21:23.08 | Eclipser | flexy, dmesg | grep cd perhaps |
| 21:23.09 | flexy | Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 5 |
| 21:23.12 | Eclipser | actually |
| 21:23.14 | endri | i had 2.6.8 but it didnt shut down properly |
| 21:23.15 | mathias64 | pumpkin0: I scrolled back and you're right |
| 21:23.19 | psycose | SerajewelKS, concerning my wifi ndiswrapper problem i read that if "Driver Present," but not "hardware present":, may be we are using a bad windows driver, i've downloaded the driver zip file on ftp://ftp.inexq.com/Drivers/UR054g_R01.zip but there are severals .inf file ftp://ftp.inexq.com/Drivers/UR054g_R01.zip, one in driver folder and another in driver/windowsXP folder, should take the driver/windowsXP one (which is bigger) ? thanks |
| 21:23.20 | Eclipser | dmesg | grep CD |
| 21:23.20 | Eclipser | :p |
| 21:23.37 | Eclipser | what the hell |
| 21:23.45 | pumpkin0 | mathias64: wo course... |
| 21:23.51 | mathias64 | endri: Be more specific about ``didn't shut down''. |
| 21:23.52 | Eclipser | hdb: CD-224E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 21:23.59 | flexy | Eclipser: I can see it in kern.log, its usb dvd player... scsi emulation |
| 21:24.01 | Eclipser | I didn't know that my drive can read DVD.s... |
| 21:24.23 | pumpkin0 | Eclipser: don't bet on it. |
| 21:24.43 | Eclipser | pumpkin0, I must try though :p |
| 21:24.43 | mathias64 | Eclipser: see if it shows up in sg_scan, which is in sg3-utils |
| 21:24.45 | endri | it freased acpi_power_off called |
| 21:25.01 | Eclipser | mathias64, what's sg? |
| 21:25.05 | pumpkin0 | endri: try a different ACPI-BIOS setup |
| 21:25.20 | Eclipser | eclipser@slowpoke:~$ mount /cdrom |
| 21:25.20 | Eclipser | mount: No medium found |
| 21:25.22 | Eclipser | :p |
| 21:25.25 | endri | but now it shuts down perfectly |
| 21:25.29 | FourierSeries | wow |
| 21:25.34 | endri | i've got the other problem |
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| 21:26.17 | MishMash | Can i get an e-mail send if a drive fails? |
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| 21:26.39 | FourierSeries | i don't think anyone was looking for me; but, I back anyways ... |
| 21:26.44 | poli | MishMash: you should, yes. In software it is quite easy, but we will have to find out how cciss does that. |
| 21:26.44 | pumpkin0 | MishMash: if the drive did not contain / and cron is still running. |
| 21:26.44 | psycose | SerajewelKS, oops forget about it, there is 2 .sys file ..., sorry |
| 21:26.48 | mathias64 | Eclipser: It's part of the scsi subsystem, which is also used for some usb storage devices. The device has an sg name like /dev/sg0 that gets mapped to a real scsi device like /dev/sda. If your USB cd is handled the same as a flash drive, it's just a matter of mounting the right /dev/sd?# |
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| 21:26.59 | endri | pumkin0 is there a more recent precompiled kernel image then 2.6.8 |
| 21:27.00 | poli | pumpkin0: It is a RAID5 |
| 21:27.12 | Eclipser | mathias64, my drive isn't scsi though :p |
| 21:27.18 | Eclipser | not USB |
| 21:27.21 | Eclipser | nor* |
| 21:27.24 | FourierSeries | pumpkin0: the root drive is seperate from the raid |
| 21:27.35 | pumpkin0 | poli: so grep mdstat | something-complex-with-perl |.... |
| 21:27.37 | koudelka__ | i use this comp as an gateway so other machines in my network can get internet but they are only getting udp and not tcp i need help to fix this |
| 21:27.39 | FourierSeries | pumpkin0: in MishMash's case |
| 21:27.46 | poli | pumpkin0: it is a hardware RAID... |
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| 21:28.03 | poli | MishMash: Why did you choose to get the root in another drive? |
| 21:28.06 | pumpkin0 | poli: ois. tricky. |
| 21:28.10 | mathias64 | flexy: read what I sent to eclipser. |
| 21:28.13 | MishMash | poli, that drive was already in it |
| 21:28.14 | FourierSeries | MishMash: Oh, btw - don't forget to change to root password ( please ) |
| 21:28.23 | MishMash | already done that fourierseries ;) |
| 21:28.29 | MishMash | and disabled the tcp port to ssh |
| 21:28.30 | user_ | hey, i'm kinda worried i run apt-get update and upgrade, it seems that there is nothing to update, however i know that sarge3.1 r1 was released yesterday... here is my sources list, can someone spot anything missing/wrong/unusual? http://rafb.net/paste/results/VBEzbI96.html |
| 21:28.32 | FourierSeries | MishMash: good TY! |
| 21:28.32 | flexy | mathias64, Eclipser: well, I can't seem to mount /dev/sr0,sg0,scd0... I can't figure out the right device name to try to mount |
| 21:28.37 | MishMash | no, TY!!! |
| 21:28.43 | FourierSeries | ;-) |
| 21:28.57 | mathias64 | flexy: run apt-get install sg3-utils and then run sg_scan. What does that say? |
| 21:28.58 | pumpkin0 | user_ run apt-get distugrade. |
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| 21:29.13 | poli | MishMash: you know that if the root drive fails, your whole system will go down... |
| 21:29.21 | MishMash | i know |
| 21:29.26 | poli | MishMash: I would really suggest you to have a root in the RAID |
| 21:29.27 | pumpkin0 | flexy: /dev/sdXY |
| 21:29.38 | poli | MishMash: It will get slow, but won't crash. |
| 21:29.44 | mathias64 | endri: there are indeed newer kernels than 2.6.8. There are some subtleties in upgrading right now, but I did it a couple days ago on my laptop |
| 21:29.46 | flexy | pumpkin0: there are a few to try... |
| 21:29.54 | mike__ | hi, could someone point me in the right direction... I am trying to find a How-to on Debian for Horde |
| 21:29.58 | MishMash | but then i would change my entire system :( |
| 21:30.00 | user_ | pumpkin0 sudo apt-get distupgrade |
| 21:30.01 | user_ | E: Invalid operation distupgrade |
| 21:30.06 | mike__ | I want to install Horde but it seems like the biggest pain in the ass |
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| 21:30.18 | Eclipser | user_, dist-upgrade |
| 21:30.19 | fbi | user_: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:30.27 | MishMash | Poli, i'm building an image of the root disk as soon as it's ready |
| 21:30.28 | pumpkin0 | flexy: it should be the first or so. the kernel will not hide it somethere ... |
| 21:30.28 | Eclipser | aptitude! |
| 21:30.37 | fbi | user_: aptitude is usually better than apt-get for dit-upgrading |
| 21:30.44 | fbi | s/dit/dist/g |
| 21:30.48 | mathias64 | flexy: what did sg_scan say? |
| 21:30.52 | flexy | mathias64: it says "/dev/sg0: scsi0 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]" |
| 21:30.55 | poli | MishMash: I have my root in RAID1... well, if you have the need for a huge availability, that's what you should do. |
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| 21:31.14 | mathias64 | flexy: now run sg_map |
| 21:31.19 | flexy | mathias64: and mount -t udf /dev/sg0 /cdrom/ says "mount: /dev/sg0 is not a block device" |
| 21:31.20 | mathias64 | what does that say? |
| 21:31.23 | MishMash | Poli: does it mean that i have to reinstall my entire system? |
| 21:31.40 | flexy | mathias64: /dev/sg0 |
| 21:31.41 | user_ | pumpkin0 do i have to monitor for distribution upgrades, or is there a way to do it automaticly? |
| 21:31.42 | MishMash | i'm not that good with linux :P i know you can copy it all and stuff |
| 21:31.45 | poli | MishMash: not really... just get a copy of the root partition inside the RAID |
| 21:31.59 | poli | MishMash: and just add that root disk to the array ;) |
| 21:32.06 | hashar | hello, is anyone able to access http://foo.-bar.affinitiz.com/ with debian ? I tried with firefox and konqueror and got 'host unknown' error when it should give a 404 : / |
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| 21:32.17 | poli | MishMash: if you have the cable, of course. |
| 21:32.19 | pumpkin0 | user_: edit /etc/apt/soucres.conf to point to a testing or unstable release. |
| 21:32.26 | MishMash | cable? |
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| 21:32.42 | poli | MishMash: SCSI cable that can handle all the drivers (number of connectors) |
| 21:32.59 | MishMash | ah |
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| 21:33.05 | MishMash | i've got that, no problem |
| 21:33.11 | fbi | user_: it's sources.list, not sources.conf |
| 21:33.18 | FourierSeries | hashar: I imagine that the nameservers are still propigating the ip address for that site. |
| 21:33.19 | mathias64 | flexy: if it doesn't say anything after /dev/sg0 then /dev/sg0 isn't currently mapped to any mountable device |
| 21:33.19 | pumpkin0 | hashar: http://foo-bar.affinitiz.com/ ... not http://foo.-bar.affinitiz.com/ |
| 21:33.25 | poli | MishMash: So, that's what I would do. But then, you must know your needs better than I do. |
| 21:33.28 | user_ | pumpkin0 even with dist upgrade i don't get to update the packages... says nothing ot update |
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| 21:33.34 | MishMash | but i aint gonna do it now, i'm not sure if they want to use other disks for the actual system |
| 21:33.41 | koudelka__ | i use this comp as an gateway so other machines in my network can get internet but they are only getting udp and not tcp i need help to fix this |
| 21:33.50 | hashar | pumpkin0> na really foo.-bar :) |
| 21:33.51 | user_ | fbi so, any idea how should i upgrade to sarge 3.1r1? i'm running sarge 3.1 |
| 21:33.55 | pumpkin0 | user_: which version are you on ? |
| 21:34.05 | user_ | pumpkin0 suposely on 3.1 |
| 21:34.05 | ricky | hello |
| 21:34.06 | abrotman | user_: apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade |
| 21:34.11 | hashar | FourierSeries> a: dig a +short foo.-bar.affinitiz.com give out the ip address |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | user_: your mirror may not yet be in sync |
| 21:34.13 | endri | pumpkin0 u were right |
| 21:34.13 | MishMash | one more question, can you expand an hardware raid-5 with more disks without losing the data on the disks that are already in the system? |
| 21:34.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:34.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:34.22 | flexy | mathias64: right. I'll have to fiddle around kernel once more, perhaps I'm missing something in there... thanks. I'll go for a ciggy... |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | hehe! |
| 21:34.33 | endri | if forgot to tick |
| 21:34.34 | fbi | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 21:34.36 | bbrazil | MishMash: in theory yes |
| 21:34.38 | ricky | hello |
| 21:34.39 | poli | MishMash: well.... |
| 21:34.44 | poli | MishMash: Depends on your controller... |
| 21:34.44 | ricky | hell |
| 21:34.46 | endri | can i install the driver now |
| 21:34.47 | ricky | hello |
| 21:34.52 | ricky | helo |
| 21:34.54 | ricky | hello |
| 21:34.56 | poli | MishMash: I would go for LVM if you intend to do that. |
| 21:34.58 | fbi | !ops ricky obvious |
| 21:34.58 | pumpkin0 | hashar: even netcraft cannot find that sitee. |
| 21:34.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ricky obvious |
| 21:35.00 | user_ | abrotman i get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 21:35.12 | poli | MishMash: (I do use LVM on every linux install I make, just to mention) |
| 21:35.15 | hashar | pumpkin0> strange :/ |
| 21:35.18 | abrotman | user_: what did i just say? .. your mirror might not be in sync yet |
| 21:35.18 | user_ | abrotman the one held back is 7zip |
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| 21:35.23 | poli | MishMash: including my notebook :) |
| 21:35.27 | abrotman | user_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:35.33 | MishMash | why LVM? |
| 21:35.34 | FourierSeries | hashar: 62.210.177.71 Ok. |
| 21:35.37 | fbi | LoRez: cheers |
| 21:35.43 | FourierSeries | hashar: so ... the web server is down? |
| 21:35.44 | MishMash | never worked with it in my entire life :P |
| 21:35.44 | user_ | abrotman sorry, my highlight was off, i didn't see the sync sentence |
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| 21:35.53 | hashar | i suspect something in the debian dns resolving system is hanging somehow :( |
| 21:35.54 | meff | why does the grub in sid fail when menu.lst tries to 'savedefault' ? it says "no such file" etc.. |
| 21:35.55 | user_ | abrotman ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 21:35.58 | pumpkin0 | hashar: http://foo.bar.affinitiz.com/ ... not http://foo.-bar.affinitiz.com/ =? |
| 21:36.07 | mike__ | can anyone help me? |
| 21:36.12 | poli | MishMash: It's quite a nice piece of code, I would advise you to take a look, as you are already doing some RAID :) |
| 21:36.18 | abrotman | user_: you're not running debian/stable |
| 21:36.20 | hashar | FourierSeries> try http://foobar.affinitiz.com/ , it does answer :o) , the site is really foo.-bar (and should give a 404) |
| 21:36.25 | mike__ | i'd like to find a good how-to installing horde on debian |
| 21:36.27 | MishMash | i'm going to look into that poli :) |
| 21:36.27 | fbi | foo.-bar.affinitiz.com is an actual domain, at least it does resolve to an IP |
| 21:36.27 | abrotman | !info libc6 testing |
| 21:36.36 | mike__ | i have tried and i can't get it working |
| 21:36.39 | MishMash | is that some kind of software raid? |
| 21:36.40 | poli | MishMash: You can resize the partitions easily and even get a full disk added or removed without much effort. |
| 21:37.00 | FourierSeries | hashar: http://foobar.affinitiz.com/ gives me a 404. |
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| 21:37.10 | poli | MishMash: No, it is a disk abstraction layer... a layer between your physical partitions and your data. |
| 21:37.13 | bbrazil | mike__: did you look in /usr/share/doc/horde ? |
| 21:37.14 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 21:37.16 | mathias64 | flexy: are you back? |
| 21:37.23 | poli | MishMash: that enables you to do some very nice tricks with physical media. |
| 21:37.36 | abrotman | user_: see ? |
| 21:37.41 | MishMash | ok |
| 21:37.43 | abrotman | user_: look in your sources file |
| 21:37.48 | hashar | FourierSeries> yup, and foo.-bar should too. I think something is screwed with the .- thing :/ |
| 21:37.49 | user_ | abrotman mmm, then something odd must be in my sources file... |
| 21:37.49 | endri | matthins64: can i install a driver without recompiling the kernel ? |
| 21:37.50 | MishMash | one more question and them i'm off |
| 21:38.00 | flexy | mathias64: I did not left yet :) |
| 21:38.04 | user_ | abrotman but mine says 2.3.5-6.. let me see what's for stable |
| 21:38.07 | poli | MishMash: You can stay, we won't kick you out... ;) |
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| 21:38.08 | MishMash | poli: I've added quota support in my kernel, but is that easy to use? |
| 21:38.10 | mathias64 | flexy: did you modprobe usb-storage etc? |
| 21:38.14 | FourierSeries | hashar: also hitting 62.210.177.71 gives me a blank page |
| 21:38.18 | MishMash | ok i'll stay :) |
| 21:38.22 | abrotman | user_: /msg dpkg info libc6 stable |
| 21:38.23 | hashar | FourierSeries> yup ) |
| 21:38.27 | poli | MishMash: Very easy. Lots of documentation. |
| 21:38.36 | user_ | abrotman yeah, that's waht i'm doing |
| 21:38.41 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 21:38.42 | MishMash | ok, i'm going to look into that |
| 21:38.47 | hashar | FourierSeries> so it s just a problem to resolve :/ I reduced it to a simple test case : http://-.affinitiz.com/ ;o) |
| 21:38.53 | exo | For a RAID 1 array of two disks, how disadvantangeous will it be to have both (IDE) disks on the same IDE controller channel? |
| 21:39.04 | FourierSeries | hashar: I think you need to check the <virtual> host directives in your apache conf file |
| 21:39.05 | poli | exo: You will lose performance. |
| 21:39.21 | exo | how much, rough estimate? |
| 21:39.21 | MishMash | Poli and FourierSeries, thanks again for the great help! |
| 21:39.23 | poli | exo: as the IDE channel is shared between the two disks (master/slave thing) |
| 21:39.33 | MishMash | i'm going to read about quota's now :) |
| 21:39.37 | FourierSeries | MishMash: you're welcome! thanks for the challange. |
| 21:39.38 | bbrazil | exo: half |
| 21:39.39 | poli | exo: I would say about 30% on writing or more. |
| 21:39.42 | exo | ok, but the data will have to be sent twice anyway |
| 21:39.44 | hashar | FourierSeries> it does work using firefox/IE under win32. I will investigate the issue a bit more and open a bug report. Might be a bug in libdns or something like that. |
| 21:40.03 | poli | MishMash: Good luck, man. It was quite a nice problem you brought us, very rewarding to solve. :) |
| 21:40.10 | bbrazil | exo: but with DMA and multiple channels it can be sent in parallel |
| 21:40.11 | pumpkin0 | hashar: i think that DNS is fubar.... |
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| 21:40.21 | flexy | mathias64: Hmmm... I'm not sure. lsmod does not show it, there is no such module, it might be that I've build it to the kernel... I have to check those options once more... and now ciggy break :) |
| 21:40.40 | poli | exo: yes, it will, but if the disks are on the same IDE channel, you will have an IO limitation. Use two separate IDE channels. |
| 21:40.41 | hashar | pumpkin0> well firefox under win32 doesnt have a trouble, dig resolve it correctly too :) |
| 21:40.44 | MishMash | Poli: is there a standard program that i should use for quota's? |
| 21:40.48 | hashar | or maybe it's a bug in kde |
| 21:40.51 | mathias64 | flexy: try running 'modprobe usb-storage' as root, what do you get? |
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| 21:41.10 | poli | MishMash: that's kernel stuff, if I remember... |
| 21:41.15 | MyWay | hi |
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| 21:41.25 | poli | MishMash: You just have to get a file with the limits on each partition. |
| 21:41.29 | MyWay | How can i listen the sound of gaim during i'm listening mp3's? |
| 21:41.33 | MyWay | mp3s* |
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| 21:41.48 | exo | hmm.. so I'd better buy another IDE controller in order to connect a DVD/other optical device in addition to the two RAID 1 disks? |
| 21:41.58 | MishMash | I can't find the documentation |
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| 21:42.08 | pumpkin0 | hashhar: dig fails for me. I think my router (DNS-proxy) is alos having troubles with that domain... |
| 21:42.11 | D-meist | What does this error mean when trying to install PHP "E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 21:42.11 | D-meist | E: Unable to lock the download directory |
| 21:42.11 | user_ | abrotman indeed: Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge) |
| 21:42.12 | poli | exo: if you have a onboard IDE, chances are you already have 2 channels. |
| 21:42.24 | poli | exo: you can share one of the channels between a HD and a DVD |
| 21:42.27 | abrotman | user_: yeah .. so much for using 3.1r1 :) |
| 21:42.30 | koudelka__ | i use this comp as an gateway so other machines in my network can get internet but they are only getting udp and not tcp i need help to fix this |
| 21:42.33 | bbrazil | D-meist: do it as root |
| 21:42.34 | poli | exo: just don't get both disks on the same channel. |
| 21:42.35 | pumpkin0 | D-meist: are you root ? any open aptitudes ? |
| 21:42.48 | exo | poli: won"'t th ehard disk sharing the channel with the dvd be slowed down? |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | fbi: when did kindergarten let out ? |
| 21:42.56 | D-meist | hmm... |
| 21:43.05 | bbrazil | exo: not if the HDD is the master |
| 21:43.07 | D-meist | i thought I was... |
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| 21:43.11 | poli | exo: only when you get the DVD running and I guess that DVD access is much slower than disk access. |
| 21:43.13 | D-meist | lemme see |
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| 21:43.28 | poli | exo: I have this exact configuration on this machine. |
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| 21:43.41 | user_ | abrotman this is kinda odd, this is my sources list: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uYms2822.html |
| 21:43.46 | poli | exo: One disk in channel 0, 1 disk and one DVD on channel 1 and RAID 1 between both disks. |
| 21:43.50 | DanC | what's The Right Way to get evolution to send good Message-Ids? this machine is behind a NAT firewall; it doesn't have a real domain name |
| 21:44.02 | poli | exo: works fine for me. |
| 21:44.06 | exo | poli: ok, I just seem to recall that the transfer mode of the _slowest_ device on the channel will limit the speed.. |
| 21:44.13 | DanC | I'm not sure how to get `hostname -f` to say: dirk.w3.org |
| 21:44.21 | poli | exo: No, just get the DVD as slave. |
| 21:44.33 | bbrazil | exo: its the transfer speed of the master that restricts it |
| 21:44.37 | pumpkin0 | user_: change all "stable" to "testing". |
| 21:44.39 | koudelka__ | poli, i have checked complete iptables but i cant find anything that sould block tcp, both tcp and udp have the same allowance |
| 21:44.42 | exo | poli: ok, thx. I'll try that |
| 21:44.46 | abrotman | user_: i blame tor! |
| 21:44.48 | poli | exo: good luck |
| 21:44.56 | exo | poli: thx again |
| 21:45.03 | user_ | pumpkin0 right, except you are not tleling me that gonna get me to etch... when i wasnted sarge :) |
| 21:45.17 | user_ | pumpkin0 sorry, typos. |
| 21:45.19 | abrotman | user_: you have so many unofficial sources .. `apt-cache policy libc6` .. what's the URL ? |
| 21:45.23 | poli | koudelka__: I would suggest you used a package like firestarter to get a running configuration with NAT enabled. |
| 21:45.32 | abrotman | pumpkin0: SHUT UP .. |
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| 21:45.36 | MyWay | How can i listen the sound of gaim during i'm listening mp3s? |
| 21:45.40 | jeff__ | hi, I adjusted the /etc/apt/sources.list on my machine, did "apt-get update", then apt-get dist-upgrade". That all worked, but now, whenever I use apt-get I get these "couldn't stat sources list" errors referring to the previous distribution version. What do I have to edit or erase to make these messages go away? |
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| 21:46.03 | user_ | abrotman http://rafb.net/paste/results/MGIlXt29.html |
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| 21:46.36 | abrotman | user_: did you manually download/install libc6 ? |
| 21:46.50 | flexy | mathias64: I don't have that module, but from logs I get the impression that usb-storage is in use... I'll have to compile kernel again and try again |
| 21:46.58 | sobersabre | last upgrade of my debian testing ... has made me to corrupt svn database... |
| 21:47.06 | user_ | abrotman no, but it could have been that i could have had a wrong mirror in sources.list |
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| 21:47.24 | abrotman | user_: did you temporarily use a testing/unstable source ? |
| 21:47.25 | mathias64 | DanC: hostname ought to do it even if it complains |
| 21:47.30 | anonomouse | i have an IRQ error when trying to load hostap modules i get: hostap_cs: RequestIRQ: Resource in use from dmesg.... any ideas... google turned up nothing |
| 21:47.33 | sobersabre | I need to recover... does anybody know of a resource on how to recover db4.2 and to make it 4.3 compatible ? |
| 21:47.40 | sobersabre | i am talking about bdb.. |
| 21:47.49 | DanC | mathias64, will that stick across reboots? |
| 21:47.51 | EdLin | MyWay: use a sound server - though most sound servers suck. |
| 21:47.51 | koudelka__ | poli, already got that |
| 21:47.54 | sobersabre | and I mean fast. ( need to commit code!!!) |
| 21:48.04 | poli | koudelka__: Did you run the program? |
| 21:48.08 | mathias64 | flexy: hmm. Anyway, for me to mount a usb flash drive I need to modprobe usb-storage, then insert the drive, then run sg_map to see the scsi device /devb/sdb that the flash memory go to. |
| 21:48.18 | mathias64 | DanC: You can try putting it in /etc/hostname |
| 21:48.19 | koudelka__ | poli, yes |
| 21:48.24 | koudelka__ | poli, running it now |
| 21:48.25 | flexy | mathias64: grepping /boot/config-mykernel for usb storage, it is compiled in kernel... |
| 21:48.38 | poli | koudelka__: ok, tell us if you have problems |
| 21:48.44 | mathias64 | flexy: what kernel do you have? |
| 21:48.46 | MyWay | EdLin: like? |
| 21:48.50 | koudelka__ | poli, i have |
| 21:48.57 | MyWay | Tell me one please. |
| 21:49.00 | DanC | yeah, I tried that, mathias64 ; I get the FQDN for `hostname`, and `hostname -f` complains about "no such host" |
| 21:49.01 | flexy | mathias64: 2.6.14.4 compiled by me... |
| 21:49.02 | user_ | abrotman to tell the trouth i'm not sure, how could that happened, unless i had something bad in mirrors, i remember i was cleaning it, but really not sure how it got there. would that be okay if i downgrade by downlading a proper package version and install it with dpkg? |
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| 21:49.15 | koudelka__ | poli, they just get udp >> |
| 21:49.28 | abrotman | user_: downgrades don't really work with dpkg .. you can try .. but it may end up being pretty flaky |
| 21:49.35 | EdLin | MyWay: if you're running GNOME you want esd, if you're running KDE you want arts. Otherwise pick your poison. |
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| 21:49.37 | anonomouse | anyone here have any experience with hostap modules? |
| 21:49.43 | MyWay | esd |
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| 21:49.45 | abrotman | user_: TBH .. you've got so many unofficial sources .. it's not like you're really running stable anyways :) |
| 21:49.47 | mathias64 | DanC: try running `hostname foo.bar.biz' and then 'hostname -f' |
| 21:50.01 | jeff01 | quick question about a kernel recompile. i already installed a version of 2.6.8, but i forgot to include a couple of things. after i make clean and change the options, do i have to remove the old, messed up 2.6 kernel before i install the revised one? |
| 21:50.01 | MyWay | how can i use esd for gaim? |
| 21:50.02 | DanC | aha... 10.3 Naming the computer http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-name |
| 21:50.17 | DanC | "in /etc/hostname. This file should contain only the system hostname, not a fully qualified domain name." |
| 21:50.19 | poli | koudelka__: paste your rules file in the pastebin |
| 21:50.19 | sfullenwider | Is there a way to reboot without loading X? I want to reboot my machine for some cpu intensive stuff and am trying to minimize running processes. |
| 21:50.21 | exo | jeff01: no |
| 21:50.29 | jeff01 | exo: thanls |
| 21:50.31 | jeff01 | thanks* |
| 21:50.32 | mathias64 | flexy: hmm. |
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| 21:50.53 | poli | sfullenwider: lots of ways |
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| 21:51.09 | poli | sfullenwider: you can boot single mode or just get X down after booting |
| 21:51.13 | exo | jeff01: assuming you used make-kpkg |
| 21:51.21 | flexy | mathias64: I've managed to get my camera mounted thru usb storage, but my new usb dvd player (first dvd player for me) seems to be a handful... |
| 21:51.27 | sfullenwider | How do I boot into single mode? That sounds like the most efficient |
| 21:51.31 | MyWay | EdLin: how can i use esd for gaim? |
| 21:51.33 | EdLin | MyWay: I'm not using gaim, it may be in the menus, or automatic if you're lucky. |
| 21:51.34 | MishMash | Guys, i can't find any documentation about Quota |
| 21:51.34 | jeff01 | exo: mhmm |
| 21:51.39 | MyWay | ok EdLin |
| 21:51.40 | MishMash | only old documents |
| 21:51.41 | EdLin | MyWay: stop repeating yourself. |
| 21:51.47 | MyWay | sorry EdLin |
| 21:51.58 | exo | jeff01: actually it doesn't matter |
| 21:52.00 | FarrisG | Can anyone explain why some users see the motd when they login to this machine and some don't? |
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| 21:52.03 | mathias64 | flexy: does /var/log/messages say anything about sr0 or sr1? |
| 21:52.04 | poli | sfullenwider: grub gets you a recover or something option... in lilo just type your kernel name as usual and add single after |
| 21:52.04 | user_ | abrotman okay, i'll certanly try it. also quick question, i searched for libc6 on packages.debian.org and apparently there is i686 package. Is there any way i could make apt point to i686 packages instaed of 386? (I have laptop p3m 1.13Ghz) |
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| 21:52.20 | MyWay | EdLin: it was on the menu, thanks. |
| 21:52.24 | sfullenwider | ok...thanks poli |
| 21:52.30 | abrotman | user_: i have them both installed .. i think it just uses it .. though i've never experimented |
| 21:52.40 | koudelka__ | poli, rulefile ? pastebin? where to find |
| 21:52.44 | MyWay | hope it works now |
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| 21:53.12 | poli | koudelka__: first one is the file firestarter generated, second one type !paste in a single line in the channel |
| 21:53.16 | EdLin | MyWay: the problem with most sound daemons is that *everything* has to use it, or some program's sound will be locked out. |
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| 21:55.07 | flexy | mathias64: did you get the paste? |
| 21:55.15 | mathias64 | flexy: yes. |
| 21:55.20 | flexy | right |
| 21:55.27 | user_ | abrotman well, here's what i've got: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AZ2d2Y22.html what else shall i do in order to upgrade/downagrade to sarge 3.1r1? |
| 21:55.36 | mathias64 | flexy: I don't like the line: sr_mod: can't be loaded (for cdrom) |
| 21:55.43 | abrotman | !tell user_ about downgrade |
| 21:55.44 | mathias64 | flexy: I have /lib/modules/2.6.14-1-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/scsi/sr_mod.ko |
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| 22:13.26 | *** topic/#debian is GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BORKED: yaird/kernels (#343042/#343048) | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure | Please note: this is not #ubuntu. |
| 22:13.38 | poli | ansong: oh... I can't really tell if unstable is getting all right dependencies. :( I haven'tused unstable since sarge was released. |
| 22:14.05 | user_ | poli and i'm looking to download debs of stable |
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| 22:14.06 | phillywhitetrash | gotta cheesesteak? |
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| 22:15.32 | Zap-W | can grub boot cdimages ? |
| 22:15.58 | koudelka__ | !paste |
| 22:15.59 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 22:16.06 | ansong | poli, i'm tired of waiting for stuff like amarok, oo.o2, etc. and / or maintaining a big list of pinned apps |
| 22:16.42 | poli | ansong: well, that is a good point. |
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| 22:18.46 | MishMash | I'm off to bed, cu guys! |
| 22:19.03 | MishMash | it's 11:19 PM here :P |
| 22:19.19 | poli | MishMash: good luck with your server |
| 22:20.33 | MishMash | thanks poli! |
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| 22:21.02 | user_ | poli just out of curiosity, are you wokring on script, so that i can wait for your kind help, or i shall just think of that you never said it ;) |
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| 22:21.22 | spatulasnout | hi, does this make sense? # LANG= chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash |
| 22:21.27 | spatulasnout | I'm wondering why the LANG= |
| 22:21.35 | MyWay | i mean like wavigo that is a program that can talk with skype |
| 22:21.41 | MyWay | is there a program for linux like this? |
| 22:22.04 | poli | user_: I was actually trying to find an easy way of getting the paths for the .debs but they don't seem that friendlyt |
| 22:22.28 | user_ | poli yeah, that's what i was saying, when i said they all have individual version numbers... |
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| 22:23.08 | spatulasnout | It comes from section C.4.4 of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 22:23.20 | spatulasnout | I wondered if the LANG= is a typo, or really supposed to be there? |
| 22:23.27 | ansong | mathias64, poli, -f dist-upgrade appears to be working. |
| 22:23.40 | mathias64 | ansong: great. |
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| 22:24.03 | ansong | mathias64, farkit. jinxed myself |
| 22:24.10 | aum | which flavour does 'testing' correspond to these days - sarge? breezy? hoary? |
| 22:24.25 | spatulasnout | potato-head, i think.... j/k |
| 22:24.28 | mathias64 | ansong: what error do you get? |
| 22:24.51 | mathias64 | somebody here remind me how to convert the output of perl localtime() back to the number of seconds from the epoch |
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| 22:25.00 | ansong | are you in #paste |
| 22:25.05 | InCognItO | looking for female 19-23 to chat |
| 22:25.08 | user_ | poli i supppose i could grep for lines with filename in packages.gz from a mirror, and then sed 'em and wget.. or something |
| 22:25.10 | ansong | paste = flood |
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| 22:25.27 | mathias64 | ansong: it's easier to paste on pastebin.com |
| 22:25.36 | ansong | ok, back w/link |
| 22:25.47 | mathias64 | InCognItO: this is #debian, we're all 19 year old girls, go ahead |
| 22:26.14 | poli | user_: that was what I was thinking... but try finding some other way in the APT HOWTO, I am not sure there is, but I guess there is some easy way to "redistribute" as a package hub for a company or such. |
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| 22:26.33 | mathias64 | aum: testing = etch |
| 22:26.47 | InCognItO | private? |
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| 22:26.49 | aum | etch? |
| 22:26.58 | mathias64 | etch a sketch |
| 22:27.04 | ansong | http://pastebin.com/474211 |
| 22:27.15 | mathias64 | ansong: try to rm au |
| 22:27.30 | bbrazil | user_: what are you trying to do again? |
| 22:27.32 | mathias64 | try to rm /var/cache/apt/archives/amule-common_2.0.3-4+b1_i386.deb a |
| 22:27.34 | LinuxNIT-laptop | any one know if there is a program that does what kroller does? (i dont really care for kroller) |
| 22:27.39 | mathias64 | and then try again. |
| 22:28.22 | nkuttler | LinuxNIT-laptop: what does kroller do? |
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| 22:28.52 | aum | mathias64: thx |
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| 22:29.21 | user_ | bbrazil download deb's of stable release, and only download, when apt-get with -d option says i'm upto date, however i want to have debs somewhere :) |
| 22:29.22 | LinuxNIT-laptop | nkuttler, it is a application starter that resembles what Mac OSx has at the bottom of the sreen |
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| 22:30.04 | bbrazil | user_: apt-proxy |
| 22:30.15 | bbrazil | user_: ot download the ISOs and loopback mount them |
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| 22:30.43 | allix | hi |
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| 22:30.54 | user_ | bbrazil i don't have diskpsace for isos :( |
| 22:31.38 | allix | i am trying to install debian using the network install, it seems to of hanged at 92% |
| 22:32.42 | nkuttler | LinuxNIT-laptop: i use wmbutton for that |
| 22:32.53 | mathias64 | aum: huh? |
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| 22:33.04 | allix | it tries to load mod_scsi or something similar |
| 22:33.15 | allix | am i ment to wait a while? |
| 22:33.29 | aum | well, so many times i'm reloading 3.6MB + of Packages.gz with only minor changes |
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| 22:33.33 | bbrazil | allix: can you alt-f2 ? |
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| 22:33.41 | mathias64 | if you want to use a local repository, use rsync to update that, use and use file instead of http as the access method in sources.list |
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| 22:33.56 | mathias64 | ah, i see. |
| 22:34.03 | allix | i am not in it now |
| 22:34.06 | Fujoor | how does one check how much free space its left on the hd? in windows you can write dir and it states it ... |
| 22:34.14 | mike__ | i'd like to find a good how-to installing horde on debian |
| 22:34.17 | Fujoor | whats the eq. command in linux? |
| 22:34.22 | allix | what should happen? |
| 22:34.24 | ansong | mathias64, http://pastebin.com/474227 funny thing is line #5. i renamed that file, thinking it might help. and it still gets the same error |
| 22:34.27 | mike__ | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 22:34.40 | bbrazil | mike__: did you read what I pointed you to earlier? |
| 22:34.46 | ansong | Fujoor, try df -h |
| 22:34.49 | nkuttler | Fujoor: df |
| 22:35.04 | Fujoor | aah, thank you |
| 22:35.05 | mathias64 | ansong: run dpkg --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/amule-common_2.0.3-4+b1_i386.deb |
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| 22:35.21 | Fujoor | whats the difference between dh, and dh -h |
| 22:35.32 | Fujoor | ah, h states it in megabyte :) |
| 22:35.33 | bbrazil | allix: if the system hasn't hung(which it probably has) you'll see a line about a console. hit enter and type dmesg |
| 22:35.39 | mathias64 | ansong: it notices the conflict from the official list of files of each package, not by looking at the disk |
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| 22:36.21 | Fujoor | mc |
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| 22:37.46 | allix | i have sata hds, i am thinking, do i need to enter anything when the boot command appears right at the begging, as with slackware, u must type : "sata.i" |
| 22:37.58 | ansong | mathias64, dpkg: need an action option. and i'm not grokking the dpkg --force-help |
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| 22:38.05 | mathias64 | allix: I don;t type anything for my sata drive |
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| 22:38.24 | mathias64 | ansong: sorry. dpkg --install --force-overwrite DEB |
| 22:38.25 | bbrazil | allix: try linux26 |
| 22:38.38 | allix | are the network installl iso stable? |
| 22:38.44 | allix | as they not part of the main branch |
| 22:38.50 | mathias64 | allix; what platform are you on? |
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| 22:38.53 | bbrazil | there are stable netinstalls |
| 22:38.54 | DrNach | how can I set up a ia32 chroot? |
| 22:38.54 | allix | slackware |
| 22:39.06 | mathias64 | DrNach: good debian amd64 howto |
| 22:39.19 | mathias64 | allix: what computer architecture? |
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| 22:39.24 | allix | amd64 |
| 22:39.30 | DrNach | mathias64, where is the how to? |
| 22:39.31 | bbrazil | DrNach: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271960 |
| 22:39.36 | allix | i am using slackware 32bit though |
| 22:39.37 | ansong | mathias64, thanks. that operation worked. trying again now |
| 22:39.47 | mathias64 | DrNach: on google |
| 22:39.49 | LinuxNIT-laptop | nkuttler, it is a application starter that resembles what Mac OSx has at the bottom of the sreen |
| 22:40.01 | allix | i don't think there is net install for amd64 |
| 22:40.11 | mathias64 | allix: sure is, I used it |
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| 22:40.17 | bbrazil | allix: there is |
| 22:40.38 | mathias64 | allix: you too need to google debian amd64 howto |
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| 22:40.40 | allix | it just says ia64 |
| 22:40.54 | allix | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:40.55 | mathias64 | allix: are you on amd64 or ia64? make up your mind... |
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| 22:41.00 | allix | amd64 |
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| 22:41.09 | allix | i used that above link |
| 22:41.13 | mathias64 | allix: google the debian amd64 howto. read it. all will become clear |
| 22:41.15 | allix | and cannot find amd64 |
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| 22:41.38 | mathias64 | The section ``Installing Debian GNU/Linux for amd64'' is particularly relevant |
| 22:41.55 | mathias64 | ansong: great |
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| 22:42.14 | allix | so i cannot use 32 debian on here? |
| 22:42.25 | mathias64 | ansong: that problem comes up some times if a file has moved from one package to another and you are in the middle of a big upgrade |
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| 22:42.48 | mathias64 | allix: sure, you can use the regular x86 installer on amd64. but it will be a 32 bit kernel, 32 bit libs, etc |
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| 22:43.48 | allix | but it hanged |
| 22:43.58 | allix | i noticed the 64 bit now |
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| 22:44.07 | drocko | hello. i'm having a problem where i tried to install a package via dpkg and it did not install. Now i cannot seem to get it out of the queue for installing packages. how can i do this? |
| 22:44.13 | blendor | Hello |
| 22:44.14 | blendor | How can I initialize WxWidgets if I have already a main function ? |
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| 22:44.29 | allix | its only 84mb? |
| 22:44.43 | allix | the 32bit verson was bigger |
| 22:45.35 | allix | i give that one ago |
| 22:45.43 | mathias64 | allix: I see 116m |
| 22:45.57 | allix | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:46.02 | allix | i am using that site |
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| 22:46.18 | DrNach | how can I get full unicode fonts? |
| 22:46.54 | mathias64 | allix: looks like 84meg |
| 22:47.00 | user_ | poli any other ideas? :) |
| 22:47.06 | tuv | debian-installer for amd64 is available in http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer. it seems there isn't a stable version yet |
| 22:47.35 | allix | is the version i ma getting reliable |
| 22:47.38 | mathias64 | tuv: since amd64 isn't in sarge, the first official stable version will be in etch |
| 22:48.02 | tuv | mathias64: i see |
| 22:48.02 | mathias64 | allix: the sarge version should be fine. Nobody seems to be complaining about it. |
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| 22:48.34 | allix | ok, once its done, i try it and hopefully come back here and tell you how it went |
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| 22:48.37 | pego_ | hi |
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| 22:48.51 | mathias64 | allix: good luck. what motherboard are you using? |
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| 22:49.09 | allix | asus A8VE SE |
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| 22:49.26 | pego_ | anyone knoe the syntax in procmail for filter multiple from ? |
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| 22:49.59 | bbrazil | pego_: from one of several people? |
| 22:50.01 | allix | linux modules come with it |
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| 22:50.09 | mathias64 | allix: look at http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/27/mainboards.html. I had to manually insert the sk98lin network module for some reason on my a8v. |
| 22:50.26 | allix | so did i on slackware |
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| 22:50.46 | pego_ | bbrazil: from one i mean a from him or him or him copie to him |
| 22:50.48 | mathias64 | allix: then you should be set. I had no other issues when I was installing |
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| 22:51.19 | bbrazil | pego_: use the TO macro - check procmailrc(5) |
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| 22:51.29 | encoded | spam me! |
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| 22:51.43 | NyteRukh | back |
| 22:52.05 | bbrazil | pego_: bah, use TO ored with From: |
| 22:52.07 | pego_ | bbrazil: TO ? but i need filter with FROM no ? |
| 22:52.13 | usual | Gnea, sup |
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| 22:54.15 | gary_ | Does anyone know of a program for linux that can connect to the freedb CD database, and change the names of an album to the correct one's automatically? |
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| 22:54.33 | sisixsisi | is user "web" a regular normal user |
| 22:54.33 | cyc | re |
| 22:54.34 | sisixsisi | ? |
| 22:54.36 | ditt0 | hello, i installed debian, now logged in, but i only used 1 cd for installation, why are there 14 cds? |
| 22:54.42 | sisixsisi | created by apache or something ? |
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| 22:55.08 | streuner | gary: for what for? |
| 22:55.10 | sisixsisi | the oher 14 cds are full of applications |
| 22:55.11 | mathias64 | ditt0: they have other packages on them. When you install X or gcc you will need more of the cds |
| 22:55.14 | thingfish | ditt0: so when you want an app you don't have to go looking for it. |
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| 22:55.21 | streuner | gary_: for what for? |
| 22:55.26 | hans0lo | How do I configure BitchX to auto-set my username (differs from my linux username) and to /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> after connecting to the server? I tried setting the commands in ~/.bitchxrc but it doesn't work. |
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| 22:56.14 | sisixsisi | is user "web" a regular user created by some program or service ? |
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| 22:56.23 | petemc | hans0lo: dont waste your time with bitchx, learnt o use a real client |
| 22:56.32 | redtime | petemc: :))) |
| 22:56.36 | pingouin | :) |
| 22:56.39 | randomity | sisixsisi: "web" is an unprivileged user used by Apache |
| 22:56.40 | hans0lo | petemc: what do you use? |
| 22:56.45 | petemc | irssi |
| 22:56.46 | redtime | hans0lo: irssi |
| 22:56.48 | pingouin | use irssi |
| 22:57.08 | hans0lo | k, BRB |
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| 23:00.08 | ansong | mathias64, it appears to be working now. while i'm at it: is there a way to tell dpkg that i've got sun's jre installed? |
| 23:00.09 | mathias64 | |
| 23:00.25 | ansong | i see |
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| 23:00.31 | mathias64 | ansong: there used to be a package called fakedeps that you could use. |
| 23:00.54 | dli | any packages for GA (Genetic Algorithm)? |
| 23:01.06 | ansong | mathias64, thanks. i'll look into it |
| 23:01.07 | mathias64 | |
| 23:01.08 | nvz | apt-cache search? |
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| 23:01.57 | allix | ok, cd made, hopefully i be back soon |
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| 23:02.56 | gary_ | streuner: For renaming music files. I ripped laods of albums, but the tracks are just called Track 01... etc... |
| 23:03.08 | gary_ | I know in winodws there are programs that connect and change the names automatically. |
| 23:03.24 | streuner | gary: grip to rip them |
| 23:04.11 | hans0lo | OK, Got irssi installed. The docs on irssi.org say to add servers with /NETWORK -- but when I type the command, it says 'network' not recognized. wtf. |
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| 23:04.29 | MikeDub | so here's the deal. I was running stable. tried to upgrade to testing by changing all the lines in sources.list that had "stable" to "testing" instead. ran apt-get dist-update, and then the heacaches started. |
| 23:04.44 | streuner | gary_: feel free to edit and submit those tracks then via grip or any other app |
| 23:04.46 | SerajewelKS | MikeDub: because testing is in the middle of a C++ transition right now |
| 23:05.06 | gary_ | streuner: do you understand what I wouldl ike the progarm to do? |
| 23:05.11 | MikeDub | sigh |
| 23:05.12 | gary_ | I have ripped the albums, and have the mp3's on my computer. |
| 23:05.18 | MikeDub | all i wanted was xorg |
| 23:05.23 | streuner | gary_: easytag then |
| 23:05.32 | gary_ | streuner: I then want to use a program to change all the tracks in the album to the right names. |
| 23:05.36 | |V\oNK | what can i use to stress test my cpu? something like prime95 but for debian |
| 23:05.38 | gary_ | thanks, I'll check that out :D |
| 23:05.51 | dondelelcaro | |V\oNK: compile lots and lots of kernels. |
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| 23:05.56 | streuner | gary_: easytag to change the tag of mp3 |
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| 23:06.07 | mathias64 | MikeDub: so what problem are you having |
| 23:06.10 | MikeDub | xfree likes to lock up if i'm going anythign too graphics intensive |
| 23:06.38 | sabin | hi, i'm getting an error about my superblock when booting, it says to mount without -a option and then run e2fsck (or something in those lines)... how do i do this? |
| 23:06.43 | mathias64 | MikeDub: are you running xfree or xorg? what video card do you have? |
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| 23:07.00 | MikeDub | xfree right now |
| 23:07.05 | MikeDub | xorg never made it |
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| 23:07.19 | mathias64 | sabin: choose ``rescue'' mode at the boot prompt |
| 23:07.20 | MikeDub | my problem is kernel-wise right now, i'll deal with xorg later |
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| 23:07.32 | mathias64 | MikeDub? I thought your problem was video related |
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| 23:07.49 | MikeDub | it is, but while trying to fix that problem i caused another |
| 23:07.52 | MikeDub | :) |
| 23:08.06 | mathias64 | MikeDub: ok, so what is the kernel problem |
| 23:08.15 | MikeDub | hotplug |
| 23:08.22 | MikeDub | hold up, i'll pastebin the output |
| 23:08.26 | sabin | mathias64, i'm using grub, will typing rescue be enough? |
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| 23:08.50 | ariston | can anyone tell me what happened to teh boot-floppies package? |
| 23:08.56 | ariston | is it called something else now? |
| 23:09.00 | mathias64 | sabin: do you have a grub menu that you can choose ``resue mode'' off of? You really want the ``single'' kernel option, which is what the rescue mode does |
| 23:09.07 | MikeDub | http://pastebin.com/474292 |
| 23:09.23 | mathias64 | ariston: debian-installer ? |
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| 23:09.59 | Zvpun | what is the right kernel-image-2.6.* on a K6 machine? |
| 23:10.06 | ansong | ok, time to reboot. mathias64: thanks for the help |
| 23:10.13 | mathias64 | MikeDub: I just had that problem the other day :) let me think about how i fixed it... |
| 23:10.14 | sabin | mathias64, alright, i'm gonna go give that a shot, i'll be back |
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| 23:10.41 | ariston | mathias64 nah boot-floppies |
| 23:10.47 | ariston | its not in the debian-installer package |
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| 23:11.26 | ariston | (need to create a boot cd with custom kernel) :P |
| 23:11.32 | MikeDub | mathias64: that gives me a glimour of home |
| 23:11.47 | MikeDub | or hope, whatever |
| 23:11.48 | mathias64 | MikeDub: did you already install a newer kernel package? what does uname -a say? |
| 23:13.04 | MikeDub | Linux frak 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:13.19 | MikeDub | i was using stable before |
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| 23:13.54 | schrankwand | hi, is there a way to disable that i can kill X by Ctrl+Alt+Backspace while xscreensaver has locked X? |
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| 23:13.57 | Eno_ | is there a program that can read a directory of music and read the tags, and move the files into new directories and give them new filenames based on the tags? i know easytag can rename files, but i don't think it will move files into new directories |
| 23:13.59 | jon_ | hi |
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| 23:14.19 | jon_ | does anyone know how to take a screenshot using XFCE? |
| 23:14.25 | eeyore- | hmm. modular xorg 7.0 :-) can't wait for it to get in gentoo |
| 23:14.49 | schrankwand | Eno_: sed/bash or perl |
| 23:14.59 | Eno_ | hehe.. yeah, do it myself |
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| 23:15.06 | Eno_ | i was hopinng it didn't come to that |
| 23:15.10 | mathias64 | MikeDub: and you tried to upgrade something that wants hotplug, but hotplug wants udev, and udev wants a newer kernel. that's the situation. |
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| 23:15.15 | Zvpun | what is the right linux-image-2.6.* on a K6 machine? |
| 23:15.31 | MikeDub | catch 22 |
| 23:15.33 | icelord | HOW I CAN INTALL A *.rpm PACK IN THE CONSOLE? |
| 23:15.44 | schrankwand | Eno_: It doesn't sound very complex and otherwise it would be even more difficult to find a ready program for this case |
| 23:15.46 | nkuttler | icelord: why would you want to do that? |
| 23:15.58 | icelord | i cant open the Kpackage |
| 23:16.09 | Zvpun | icelord: you shouldn't install rpm packages, you should look for *.deb packages. If you realy want you can use alien |
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| 23:16.26 | mathias64 | icelord: just shove it in there real good |
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| 23:16.33 | Eno_ | scarynetworkguy: i might be able to do it in python. but i need something to read the tags from ogg files... do you know what package could help me do that? i already find the one for mp3 files |
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| 23:16.42 | icelord | ok |
| 23:16.44 | ariston | icelord as Zvpun said, you could you alien in worst case.. that will convert .rpm to .deb |
| 23:16.45 | icelord | thanks |
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| 23:16.51 | mathias64 | MikeDub: no, you just need to install a new kernel. try linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 23:16.51 | schrankwand | icelord: list the content of the rpm file and remove each of this files on your system |
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| 23:17.35 | mathias64 | MikeDub: but be CAREFUL there is a problem with at least one version of that package; after you install it you have to make a new initrd before you can boot the new kernel |
| 23:17.43 | schrankwand | icelord: oh sorry i understand uninstall. To install rpms under debian u need the pakage alian |
| 23:17.45 | MikeDub | so i'll have to install a new kernel to install a new kernel |
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| 23:18.34 | mathias64 | MikeDub: no, you need to install a new kernel before you install udev. The commands to make the new initrd are apt-get install initramfs-tools; apt-get --purge remove yaird; cho ide-generic >> /etc/mkinitramfs/modules; echo ide-disk >> /etc/mkinitramfs/modules;dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.14-2.686 |
| 23:19.03 | gary_ | I'm trying to run a graphical program on a server, but have the program show on this screen on another computer. I did: export DISPLAY=myip but i get this error: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:19.08 | mathias64 | MikeDub: the pastebin output doesn't show a new kernel in the list of NEW packages |
| 23:19.09 | gary_ | Any hints about where I am going wrong? |
| 23:19.20 | MikeDub | awesome |
| 23:19.32 | MikeDub | I'm a complete novice, so this should be interesting :) |
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| 23:20.01 | mathias64 | gary_: (1) export DISPLAY=myip:0. (2) there is the issue of xauth permissions |
| 23:20.29 | gary_ | I got the same error, but it took a lot longer to print it |
| 23:20.35 | nkuttler | gary_: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:20.49 | mathias64 | MikeDub: you want to get the package named linux-image-2.6.12. Install that (everything should go fine). Then you need to run some commands to make a new initrd. the old kernel will still be installed, so you can always use to old kernel if you run into problems |
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| 23:21.16 | mathias64 | MikeDub: installing a kernel package is not the same as compiling a kernel :) |
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| 23:22.11 | MikeDub | how would i roll back to the old kernel if i fubar everything? |
| 23:22.54 | mathias64 | MikeDub: the two kernels are in different directories; the new one is completely inactive unless you select it when you reboot. unlike other packages, you can have multiple kernel packages installed at the same time. |
| 23:23.00 | FourierSeries | "Wine build complete" eek! |
| 23:23.12 | MikeDub | neato |
| 23:23.13 | mathias64 | FourierSeries: converges too fast? |
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| 23:24.34 | FourierSeries | mathias64: wow. Took awhile but looks like I now have wine 0.9.3 on my system ... |
| 23:24.56 | gary_ | nkuttler: I can't find the program xauth |
| 23:25.04 | mathias64 | FourierSeries: great. now you can run all those windows apps you've been longing for |
| 23:25.10 | gary_ | I set Xforwarding to Yes, and did ssh -X gary@server |
| 23:25.27 | nkuttler | gary_: apt-cache search xauth |
| 23:25.34 | gary_ | Just to check, after editing the sshd config file, do I need to restart ssh ? |
| 23:25.38 | nkuttler | gary_: yes |
| 23:25.45 | mathias64 | gary_: yes |
| 23:25.52 | gary_ | sorry, didn't read it write |
| 23:25.56 | gary_ | xbase-clients ... got it |
| 23:26.11 | mathias64 | /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 23:26.40 | gary_ | thanks |
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| 23:27.38 | gary_ | YAY, it worked! |
| 23:27.40 | gary_ | thanks |
| 23:28.11 | mathias64 | gary_: great. |
| 23:28.49 | shaizen | would anyone know where i can find libz.so which is linked against libc5 instead of 6? |
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| 23:29.16 | mathias64 | shaizen: in potato maybe? when was that transition now ... |
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| 23:32.00 | FourierSeries | "error while loading shared libs" ... grumble. |
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| 23:33.08 | allix | hi |
| 23:33.24 | dondelelcaro | it should be pre potato, although I think we still had libc5 distributed in potato. |
| 23:33.36 | allix | it installed, i had to bypass the network installtion |
| 23:33.41 | dondelelcaro | !info libc5 potato |
| 23:33.41 | allix | as its on a cd |
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| 23:33.43 | allix | not a floppy |
| 23:34.12 | allix | how do i mount the cdrom drive under debian? |
| 23:34.20 | mathias64 | allix: right. i had to do the network setup by hand |
| 23:34.43 | allix | thats the part i am AT NOW |
| 23:34.44 | mathias64 | mount /dev/foo /media/cdrom |
| 23:34.50 | allix | ok |
| 23:34.58 | allix | after that |
| 23:35.05 | mathias64 | allix: lsmod and see if sk98lin is in there |
| 23:35.15 | allix | how do i insstall packages |
| 23:35.16 | allix | ie |
| 23:35.21 | allix | xwindows |
| 23:35.30 | beardy | !xwindows |
| 23:35.31 | dpkg | [xwindows] NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 23:35.33 | allix | a windows manager |
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| 23:35.42 | dondelelcaro | allix: run apt-cdrom; and have it read the contents of your cds. |
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| 23:35.52 | dondelelcaro | allix: also, please stop overusing enter in this channel. |
| 23:35.54 | allix | i don't have a cd |
| 23:35.58 | beardy | !install x |
| 23:35.58 | dpkg | i guess install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 23:35.59 | mathias64 | allix: you run aptitude and install xserver-xorg and whatever else you want |
| 23:36.10 | shaizen | !info libc5 potato |
| 23:36.12 | mathias64 | allix: do you have eth0 up? |
| 23:36.14 | dondelelcaro | allix: uh... either you have a cd or you don't. |
| 23:36.15 | quittt | which is bestest music player for Linux? |
| 23:36.16 | beardy | !install xorg |
| 23:36.17 | allix | no |
| 23:36.25 | beardy | !best |
| 23:36.25 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:36.32 | allix | it just a basic system at the moment |
| 23:36.34 | beardy | quittt: The one you prefer. |
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| 23:36.45 | Deben_ | I noticed on the security page "Experience has shown that 'security through obscurity' does not work." but also that DSA's are not released until after the fix - generally up to 48 hours. Is there a way to get notices sooner so that I can disable or uninstall the application? |
| 23:36.49 | quittt | beardy, which do you use? |
| 23:36.55 | mathias64 | allix: it helps if you stick in the name of who you reply to. if you don't have eth0 up, you need to get that working first |
| 23:37.03 | g3brown | I built/compiled a kernel object driver for a sata card. Would there be any performace difference/issues between this and say a sata that was supported by the kernel natively? |
| 23:37.05 | shaizen | !info libc5 |
| 23:37.06 | beardy | quittt: Try xmms. |
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| 23:37.11 | RvGaTe | how can i setup a secundaire gateway with debian? |
| 23:37.19 | quittt | beardy, it doesnt play well some musics |
| 23:37.27 | beardy | quittt: Such as? |
| 23:37.27 | quittt | it shows problems that doesnt exis |
| 23:37.37 | allix | mathisa64: how do i get the eth0 up? |
| 23:37.39 | quittt | beardy, problems when you play some musics |
| 23:37.46 | quittt | that look like damaged songs |
| 23:37.55 | mathias64 | allix: first, you have an a8v board, right? |
| 23:37.59 | allix | yeah |
| 23:38.12 | mathias64 | allix: type lsmod | grep sk98lin and see if that module is in there |
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| 23:38.39 | allix | when i was installing from the cd, sk8lin was not on there |
| 23:38.52 | allix | its on the cd that came with the motherboard |
| 23:38.54 | mathias64 | allix: as root, modprobe sk98lin. see if that works |
| 23:39.22 | allix | if it does not, what should i do |
| 23:39.31 | beardy | Deben_: Run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade if there are security upgrades, once a day and you should be fine. |
| 23:39.49 | mathias64 | allix: then we'll have to think. but if you have an a8v, you have an sk98lin card, and if you have booted the system in debian, you have that module. |
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| 23:40.17 | allix | ok, after i have typed lsmod |grep sk98ln |
| 23:40.18 | mathias64 | allix: once you have the module installed, as root run ifconfig eth0 up |
| 23:40.22 | beardy | Deben_: You can also subscribe to the security mailinglist to be notofied of security upgrades available. |
| 23:40.38 | mathias64 | allix: modprobe sk98lin if it isn't in there. then ifconfig eth0 up |
| 23:40.55 | allix | ok |
| 23:41.00 | allix | i follow |
| 23:41.07 | mathias64 | then dhclient eth0 to get an ip addr |
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| 23:41.29 | mathias64 | allix: would you prefer to run stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 23:41.48 | Deben_ | beardy: Thanks, I do both. I was thinking of same day exploits. It appears the advisories are not released until after there is a fix. I would rather know about the bug and disable the app than take a chance. |
| 23:41.50 | beardy | Deben_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 23:42.00 | MikeDub | mathias64: so if have a PIII 700MHz machine, would i want to get both linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 and linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 packages? |
| 23:42.07 | freeziekat | how do I add ip addresses to a server |
| 23:42.08 | freeziekat | ? |
| 23:42.14 | MikeDub | ...and a new machine. |
| 23:42.15 | freeziekat | I am running debian.. |
| 23:42.26 | mathias64 | MikeDub: sounds right. |
| 23:42.39 | freeziekat | like virtual interfaces.. |
| 23:42.45 | freeziekat | how do I add those from the shell? |
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| 23:43.13 | RvGaTe | how can i setup a secundaire gateway with debian? |
| 23:43.19 | allix | stable |
| 23:43.39 | setog3 | hi , I make a new partition with cfdisk write the partition , restart udev, and I haven't the /dev/hdc2 , what I have forgotten ? |
| 23:43.54 | MikeDub | mathias64: wicked. http://pastebin.com/474352 |
| 23:44.13 | MikeDub | same problemo |
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| 23:45.14 | allix | mathias64: are you still there? |
| 23:45.15 | mathias64 | MikeDub: right, but it's not linux-image that's pulling in udev. |
| 23:45.18 | FourierSeries | so. who was having trouble installing wine? |
| 23:45.22 | mathias64 | allix: yes |
| 23:45.37 | allix | i would like to run stable |
| 23:46.06 | mathias64 | MikeDub: run aptitude and tell it not to install udev or hotplug. get everything settled. then install the new kernel |
| 23:46.13 | mathias64 | allix: one minute |
| 23:46.33 | allix | after i have done the above, how to i build the system |
| 23:46.33 | allix | ok |
| 23:46.39 | setog3 | I need to creathe the node manualy ? |
| 23:47.06 | mathias64 | allix: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. What continent are you in? |
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| 23:47.34 | allix | europe |
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| 23:48.24 | mathias64 | Put the following in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main contrib |
| 23:48.41 | mathias64 | allix: you can remove anything else that is in there, just put that one line in the file. |
| 23:49.26 | DrNach | can someone tell me how to get fonts so no matter what language a webpage or app is in, I can see it? |
| 23:49.48 | allix | ok |
| 23:49.56 | zinx | DrNach: install every font ever created |
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| 23:50.29 | allix | do i use apt-install from then on ? |
| 23:50.39 | beardy | DrNach: It's more a locale/charset issue, than fonts. |
| 23:50.55 | DrNach | beardy, so how do I get more charsets installed? |
| 23:50.59 | mathias64 | allix: once you have that, run apt-get update it should download some package files. if that works, then you can use aptitude to install whatever packages you want. |
| 23:51.16 | allix | ok |
| 23:51.29 | beardy | DrNach: Well, what is the things you can't see written in? |
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| 23:51.31 | allix | and then its all self - explanatury? |
| 23:51.40 | mathias64 | allix: you should use aptitude instead of apt-get install, it handles dependancies better and is gerneally more modern. |
| 23:51.46 | DrNach | beardy, Japanese in Firefox for example |
| 23:52.01 | mathias64 | allix: There is a list of sources.list lines at http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 23:52.21 | beardy | DrNach: Before doing anythin, check Firefox's options, perhaps you can choose utf-8 there? |
| 23:52.26 | mathias64 | allix: so you can try a faster one if the one I randonly chose is too slow. |
| 23:52.32 | allix | ok |
| 23:52.34 | allix | i see |
| 23:52.46 | goron | Is "scanner" still a module? |
| 23:52.49 | DrNach | beardy, it's not just Firefox none of my apps show characters if I change my keyboard to a different language |
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| 23:53.04 | allix | does debian use startx to enter into x? |
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| 23:53.42 | beardy | DrNach: japanese and chinese are special, I can't help you with that, sorry. It's of course doable, and probably not hard, but I haven't done it so.. |
| 23:53.44 | mathias64 | allix: I do. If you install a display manager (xdm, kdm, gdm, etc) then X starts automatically. Your choice. |
| 23:54.10 | Deben | beardy: sorry didn't know that was uncouth. 705 people is kind of a big room for chatting |
| 23:54.27 | DrNach | beardy, well I want to see Arabic, French, German, Hebrew, Spanish, Japanese |
| 23:54.34 | allix | so hopefully later i be back here on debian |
| 23:54.55 | mathias64 | goron: not in 2.6.14 |
| 23:55.04 | allix | bye, thanks for your hlep |
| 23:55.08 | beardy | DrNach: dpkg-reconfigure locales, and generate the locales you want, would be my answer, but I dont know if that is the correct one in this case.. |
| 23:55.10 | allix | i see u soon hopefully :) |
| 23:55.12 | mathias64 | good luck |
| 23:55.26 | DrNach | beardy, even for the locales I want, I don't see their fonts |
| 23:55.33 | DrNach | I already told it which locales |
| 23:55.36 | sisixsisi | hey , how can i make the ssh time out time greater ? |
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| 23:55.46 | mathias64 | MikeDub: I am going to get some dinner. I'll come back in about 30min |
| 23:56.00 | beardy | DrNach: Have you searched for the fonts packages? /msg dpkg serach, apt-cache search font | less |
| 23:56.11 | beardy | DrNach: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:56.43 | beardy | Deben: /topic |
| 23:57.01 | goron | What's the current method of getting a scanner to work? libusb and sane? |
| 23:57.16 | goron | Since I get "Error during read:Error during device I/O" |
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| 23:57.38 | amphi | goron: that's how I've done it |
| 23:57.50 | blondie | goron: black candles and virgin sacrifices? |
| 23:59.24 | blondie | "rescue them from their virginity"? |
| 23:59.30 | FourierSeries | so to speak |
| 23:59.32 | goron | amphi: what about that error? |
