| 00:00.04 | sifi | seb-, I have never used it before, just know that it's very very attractive to UNIX familiar users |
| 00:00.06 | tvn | sifi: get the emacs cheatsheet ... should give you all the common key usage |
| 00:00.09 | hammerabi | sifi: emacs is mostly written in a for of lisp, and most users reach the point where they write new features in lisp for it |
| 00:00.50 | blondie | msg43: you need a ServerName line |
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| 00:01.07 | sifi | hammerabi, lisp yes, what about the "lisp machine" do you know anything about it? |
| 00:01.10 | eeyore- | Seb: speak for yourself. i can't even navigate with emacs :-) i barely know how to quit the thing |
| 00:01.15 | blondie | msg43: because your IP doesn't resolve |
| 00:01.18 | hammerabi | sifi: from the 80's? |
| 00:01.33 | msg43 | blondie, so ServerName blog.msg43.net |
| 00:01.35 | msg43 | ? |
| 00:01.55 | blondie | erm yeah |
| 00:01.58 | sifi | hammerabi, I don't know a shit about lisp, but it is a programming language and there is or was a machine for it? |
| 00:02.09 | hammerabi | sifi: yes |
| 00:02.09 | g3brown | hammerabi: did you catch my q? |
| 00:02.22 | rendi | # chwon www-data /var/www |
| 00:02.25 | rendi | can help ? |
| 00:02.38 | hammerabi | rendi: no, don't do that, ever |
| 00:02.39 | blondie | rendi: ? |
| 00:02.42 | rendi | bash: chwon: command not found |
| 00:02.45 | sifi | hammerabi, has the machine being outdated? |
| 00:02.54 | rendi | hammerabi why ? |
| 00:02.55 | sifi | rendi, chown |
| 00:02.56 | hammerabi | g3brown: yes, deb file://whatever/ unstable main contrib |
| 00:03.00 | hammerabi | rendi: because it's stupid |
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| 00:03.05 | msg43 | blondie, Id on't get any errors but blog.msg43.net |
| 00:03.07 | msg43 | does not work |
| 00:03.14 | rendi | i wanna make forum so how ? |
| 00:03.22 | hammerabi | rendi: install some bloody forum software |
| 00:03.24 | sifi | rendi, phpBB |
| 00:03.24 | msg43 | blondie, it shows the same exact page as msg43.net |
| 00:03.30 | rendi | smf |
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| 00:03.39 | rendi | i wanna make on root dir |
| 00:03.42 | rendi | /var/www |
| 00:03.43 | rendi | can't ? |
| 00:03.44 | hammerabi | sifi: I believe the company involved stopped making them 15 years ago |
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| 00:03.50 | hammerabi | rendi: no, stop |
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| 00:04.10 | sifi | hammerabi, hehe, I thought the machine was new, just saw an old topic about it so ;) |
| 00:04.13 | blondie | msg43: is what you pasted the entire httpd.conf? |
| 00:04.17 | rendi | and what should i do ? |
| 00:04.30 | msg43 | blondie, that just the virtual host file |
| 00:04.33 | blondie | rendi: "mkdir" |
| 00:04.35 | blondie | as root |
| 00:04.46 | eeyore- | sifi: TI LISP machine? oh my god. that's from the 80's |
| 00:04.55 | msg43 | blondie, I think it has to do with site-enabled |
| 00:05.01 | rendi | /var/www# mkdir bm |
| 00:05.06 | rendi | and now use chwon ? |
| 00:05.17 | thingfish | chown! |
| 00:05.18 | eeyore- | rendi: chown. <- own. not won. |
| 00:05.24 | Atomsk | anybody got a T43 here? Is it a good idea to dual boot it? I'm wondering if installing grub in the MBR will trash the recovery features... |
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| 00:05.59 | blondie | msg43: oh, apache2... yes you need to ln -s from sites-available (or whatever it's called) to sites-enabled |
| 00:06.01 | eeyore- | Atomsk: i believe the recovery is in a hidden partition and doesn't care about your boot loader (it's not NTLdR that's doing the loading of the recovery) |
| 00:06.10 | rendi | hehe |
| 00:06.11 | msg43 | blondie, I did |
| 00:06.16 | eeyore- | Atomsk: otherwise anybody who reinstalls the OS is going to be SOL |
| 00:06.20 | msg43 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2005-12-22 17:55 000-default -> /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 00:06.20 | msg43 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2005-12-22 18:53 001-blog -> /etc/apache2/sites-available/blog |
| 00:06.52 | blondie | umm |
| 00:07.25 | msg43 | could this be an issue? NameVirtualHost * |
| 00:07.25 | msg43 | <VirtualHost *> |
| 00:07.27 | rendi | hammerabi can explain what happen with i use chown www-data /var/www ? |
| 00:07.32 | Atomsk | eeyore-: I'd like to believe you but some googling seems to say otherwise...I dont have recovery CDs I would need to order them and dont want to screw up |
| 00:07.48 | eeyore- | Atomsk: easy to verify |
| 00:07.57 | eeyore- | Atomsk: look at C:\boot.ini |
| 00:08.11 | msg43 | blondie, this is the regular host http://pastebin.com/475895 |
| 00:08.28 | eeyore- | Atomsk: what does google result tell you? did it say they screw up because they repartition the hard drive? |
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| 00:09.08 | Atomsk | eeyore-: they mention grub can kill the access IBM button which is pretty much the only way to recover |
| 00:09.34 | eeyore- | Atomsk: i don't see how grub can "kill" access-ibm button. BIOS gets first dibs during boot ... |
| 00:09.47 | eeyore- | Atomsk: what do they mean, exactly? |
| 00:09.56 | Atomsk | eeyore-: let me find the url for you |
| 00:09.58 | kspath | ha |
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| 00:11.11 | msg43 | blondie, any idea? |
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| 00:11.32 | eeyore- | Atomsk: oh? they say not to overwrite the MBR? hmm. ok, no biggie. don't install grub into the MBR then :-) make NTLDR load your kernel |
| 00:12.05 | amphi | Atomsk: my 'access ibm' button works well as an xterm launcher ;) |
| 00:12.16 | user01 | i just got a dell pentium II 300Mhz in an old computer raffle...could/should i install x-windos on it...or any other ideas? |
| 00:12.19 | Atomsk | amphi: lol |
| 00:12.40 | kingsley | user01: Do you happen to know how much RAM it has? |
| 00:12.46 | eeyore- | user01: make it into a chair. use it to prop up wobbly table. |
| 00:12.51 | Atomsk | ah well I cant find the website |
| 00:12.59 | user01 | kingsley: 128 MB i think |
| 00:12.59 | eeyore- | user01: turn it into a hamster cage |
| 00:13.01 | Atomsk | best way to learn is to break stuff right? |
| 00:13.02 | amphi | Atomsk: debian works very nicely on this T42 |
| 00:13.19 | kingsley | user01: I suggest http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 00:13.27 | Atomsk | amphi: yeah I heard it does |
| 00:13.43 | eeyore- | user01: seriously, yeah. make it an X terminal :-) |
| 00:14.49 | user01 | kingsley: damnsmalllinux? pentium II doesnt see that bad... |
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| 00:15.06 | GenNMX | Now now, X-Windows will work fine on 128MB PII 300MHz. Just don't expect the favorites KDE or GNOME to work very well. I've run X on a K6-2 233MHz w/ 32MB RAM no problem. No lag at all. |
| 00:15.14 | blondie | msg43: er look in the error log? |
| 00:15.18 | eskan | irc.knts.org |
| 00:15.24 | msg43 | blondie, ok |
| 00:15.25 | eskan | ./server irc.knts.org |
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| 00:15.33 | amphi | GenNMX: same here - blackbox worked like a charm |
| 00:15.41 | user01 | GenNMX: what windows manager are you using? |
| 00:15.50 | GenNMX | user01: xterm |
| 00:16.07 | GenNMX | fvwm should also work fine, and blackbox as amphi suggested |
| 00:16.17 | user01 | GenNMX: debian install ? |
| 00:16.29 | GenNMX | user01: Yes |
| 00:16.43 | user01 | GenNMX: 2.6.xx ? |
| 00:16.49 | eeyore- | GenNMX: i run X on netpliance (Winchip-2) 128MB and it takes forrrrreeeeeevvvvvveeeeer to do anything |
| 00:17.05 | GenNMX | eeyore: Just xterm? |
| 00:17.15 | eeyore- | GenNMX: well, no :-) gnome. |
| 00:17.17 | GenNMX | user01: 2.4.x |
| 00:17.28 | GenNMX | Yes, Gnome and KDE are like a lite version of Windows XP with their bloat |
| 00:17.49 | eeyore- | GenNMX: not many things are built with Xtrinsics any more ... :-p |
| 00:18.01 | sifi | linus prefer KDE before GNOME, that really supprised me |
| 00:18.22 | eeyore- | sifi: well, what can i say. i kind of agree with him. i'm back in kde after a long departure. |
| 00:18.38 | sifi | eeyore-, why? |
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| 00:18.42 | GenNMX | Well, KDE is spiffier and more Windows-like...on a future slant, it helps people make the switch from Windows to Linux easier. Gnome is more basic. |
| 00:18.54 | blondie | kde is bloody awful |
| 00:19.00 | GenNMX | But KDE is also a lot more bloat...another Windows feature! |
| 00:19.04 | eeyore- | sifi: more features. more cool programs. more tweakability. |
| 00:19.14 | blondie | kde is just... ICK |
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| 00:19.30 | msg43 | blondie, I was told to make blog.msg43.net as *:80 and keep servername=blog.msg43.net |
| 00:19.41 | sifi | eeyore-, sure? how many yrs have you used KDE as your favor |
| 00:19.42 | blondie | oh |
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| 00:20.04 | eeyore- | sifi: oh i switch between them often :-) |
| 00:20.15 | eeyore- | sifi: but this time it looks like i'm gonna stay in kde |
| 00:20.43 | sifi | eeyore-, why? different computers? or just because you want different features from time to time? |
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| 00:21.22 | poli | Anyone with EVMS knowledge would already recommend it for production use? |
| 00:21.46 | eeyore- | sifi: well, this time it's because i'm tired of gnome-terminal ... |
| 00:22.04 | tvn | wm , de topics again ... |
| 00:22.05 | eeyore- | sifi: and along the way i get to play with karamba :-) and other kde toys |
| 00:22.43 | tvn | eeyore-: I had a winchip before ... 100 Mhz , |
| 00:22.43 | sifi | eeyore-, is it impossible to run KDE appz in gnome? |
| 00:22.49 | user01 | damn small looks pretty good actually |
| 00:22.54 | dvs | sifi: Sure |
| 00:23.01 | eeyore- | sifi: it's possible, but then you run two sets of environment :-) |
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| 00:24.28 | eeyore- | tvn: very painful |
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| 00:24.47 | eeyore- | tvn: but for $30 or so for the netpliance, you couldn't argue |
| 00:25.14 | Kerr | 'lo ... my new mouse (microsoft optical comfort mouse -bought for me, though microsoft's hardware is suprisingly good, i'd have gone for something cheaper) has a side button, and left-right tilt on the scrollwheel. i Was wondering how i'd go about enabeling/mapping them, so i can use them for gaming, browsing the web, etc? |
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| 00:25.17 | tvn | it was a big upgrade for my Packard Bell at that time .. costs almost $200 for the cpu upgrade alone, |
| 00:25.36 | blondie | packard bell :| |
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| 00:26.11 | eeyore- | blondie: aka "Packard Hell" |
| 00:26.25 | grobmotoriker_bu | q |
| 00:26.28 | grobmotoriker_bu | y |
| 00:26.30 | grobmotoriker_bu | Y |
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| 00:26.42 | eeyore- | shouldn't knock it too much. i did learn smalltalk on a packard bell AT :-) |
| 00:26.45 | blondie | eeyore-: hmm |
| 00:26.58 | blondie | they make sucky PCs |
| 00:27.01 | eeyore- | at the time i though, damn, this AT is faaaaast |
| 00:27.09 | Kerr | grobmotoriker_bu: I hear you can get a clue cheap on ebay these days. Ever considered it? |
| 00:27.14 | eeyore- | compared to 4.77MHz Turbo XT, anything is fast |
| 00:27.25 | eeyore- | wait. 8.something turbo XT |
| 00:27.28 | blondie | hmm, my first PC was 8MHz IIRC |
| 00:27.39 | blondie | 2086 |
| 00:27.54 | eeyore- | 4.77MHz was the base speed of the XT wasn't it? |
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| 00:28.27 | Kerr | my first pc had a b/w screen.. i played some olympic game on it that looked blockier than tetris O.o but i was like, 8; so i dun' remember what it was. |
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| 00:28.40 | dli | eeyore-, it's 4.7MHz for me :( |
| 00:28.56 | digijohn | Hi guys, I'm trying to compile the newest Nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.8, debian testing, but when I run the installer and try to compile, it tells me that I'm using the wrong gcc version. |
| 00:29.14 | digijohn | I set $CC = "gcc-3.3", but that doesn't fix anything. |
| 00:29.25 | digijohn | (gcc 3.3 is what is says the kernel was compiled with) |
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| 00:29.57 | digijohn | When I tell it to ignore the version problem, it starts compiling then stops with an error message saying that compilation failed. |
| 00:30.01 | dli | digijohn, nvidia is my nightmare, try to use nv driver from xorg, if you can |
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| 00:30.19 | digijohn | Whoa, sorry there. |
| 00:30.28 | digijohn | You say use the nv driver? |
| 00:30.33 | digijohn | Does it do accelleration? |
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| 00:31.18 | seb- | apt-pinning is so cool, why ever need backports.org then? |
| 00:31.29 | eeyore- | have to go. have a good holidays, guys. |
| 00:32.38 | Kerr | !tell digijohn about nvidia one liner |
| 00:32.41 | Kerr | O.o |
| 00:32.48 | Kerr | nvidia one liner = win |
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| 00:33.03 | Kerr | though i had to do it twice, for some bizzare reason or other. |
| 00:33.57 | digijohn | Will that work even though I already have the Nvidia drivers installed? |
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| 00:35.36 | Kerr | yea |
| 00:35.41 | Kerr | did for me |
| 00:36.01 | digijohn | So with module-assistant, I want to choose "nvidia-kernel" in package selection? |
| 00:36.04 | Kerr | i play sof2 in cedega all the time, hardware acceleration and all. |
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| 00:36.11 | Kerr | hm? |
| 00:36.21 | poli | Anyone using EMVS in production environments had problems? |
| 00:36.22 | Kerr | nope, you wanna add contrib non-free |
| 00:36.27 | Kerr | to all of your sources |
| 00:36.31 | digijohn | What? |
| 00:36.34 | Kerr | then do the one liner, as in paste it in. |
| 00:36.34 | digijohn | I think I have |
| 00:36.47 | Kerr | but make sure you get it all on one line |
| 00:36.48 | digijohn | I know, but module-assistant has popped up a dialog for me. |
| 00:36.55 | digijohn | I cut-and-pasted it already. |
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| 00:37.11 | digijohn | gar, don't have non-free in. |
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| 00:37.16 | msg43 | How can I see if a package is locally installed? |
| 00:37.20 | Kerr | hm, been so long. Are you sure you got it all on one line? (i pasted it into my chosen text editor and got it all on one lien first) |
| 00:37.20 | digijohn | And it takes forever to do apt-get update |
| 00:37.21 | Pupeno | does anybody know the name of the channel about audio on linux ? |
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| 00:37.41 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 00:37.43 | Kerr | msg43: man package ? you won't have man packages for a package you don't have. |
| 00:37.43 | pureone | msg43 dpkg -l | grep package |
| 00:37.50 | Kerr | pureone: are you using a 2/6 kernel? |
| 00:37.55 | Kerr | 2.6 ^ |
| 00:38.04 | ribnitz | is there any (decent) replacement for cdrecord? |
| 00:38.08 | pureone | kerr no a win32 kernel :) |
| 00:38.23 | Kerr | hm |
| 00:38.51 | pureone | why? |
| 00:39.01 | Kerr | alsa/audio is built into the stock debian 2.6 iirc, i just booted up and got a root shell, typed alsaconf, automagicaly got audio working for me. |
| 00:39.24 | Kerr | again though, at least i think i did, though i'd be willing to help as much as i can. |
| 00:39.30 | SimonRaven | yes, it's native to 2.6 |
| 00:39.31 | msg43 | How do you uninstall a package? |
| 00:39.45 | Kerr | msg43: apt-get --help |
| 00:39.48 | ribnitz | Kerr: problem is when you have more than one sound card |
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| 00:40.40 | Kerr | ribnitz: that concerns aoss, right? |
| 00:40.52 | msg43 | Kerr, I don't see an opition to uninstall a package |
| 00:41.07 | Kerr | i thought it was as simple as a config edit/command line paramiter. .. though i've never had more than one soundcard. |
| 00:41.13 | Kerr | paramater^ |
| 00:41.18 | msg43 | nvm |
| 00:42.34 | Kerr | msg43: i'm not trying to be cruel, it's just that in some instances you won't have access to #debian ... being able to help yourself can really come in handy. |
| 00:42.37 | SimonRaven | parameter |
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| 00:42.49 | adrakoa | hi |
| 00:42.50 | Kerr | SimonRaven: same difference :-P |
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| 00:43.16 | msg43 | Kerr, my terminal window was to small and i just say the -opitions not the install, remove, etc... |
| 00:43.17 | user01 | does there have to be an option in bios to boot from usb flash disk? |
| 00:44.39 | dvs | user01: Yeah, at least on my ASUS P4P800 Deluxe |
| 00:44.42 | dondelelcaro | user01: generally speaking, yes. |
| 00:44.46 | ribnitz | user01: do we know your bios? |
| 00:44.52 | Kerr | msg43: in that case try man whateverpackage | less |
| 00:44.56 | Kerr | :) |
| 00:45.20 | pureone | Kerr you dont need | less |
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| 00:45.24 | Kerr | err |
| 00:45.27 | pureone | man handles that |
| 00:45.37 | Kerr | whateverpackage --help | less |
| 00:45.42 | pureone | lol |
| 00:45.49 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:46.27 | Kerr | appologies, i've just got home from work (i work in a pub) and there was a staff christmas drink. I'm well on the way to being comfortably numb. |
| 00:46.40 | pureone | hehe |
| 00:47.02 | ribnitz | holycow: I dont think it will work. |
| 00:47.10 | holycow | of course i plugged the hd into the same position on the ide chain as the kernel expects that |
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| 00:47.43 | dvs | holycow: The boot sector is the only thing I can think of. |
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| 00:48.49 | Kerr | holycow: i'd use a livecd to cp one drive to another. Back in the day when i used windows, i'd use my xcopy floppy, but i don't know of a nix alternative. |
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| 00:49.09 | hanasaki | is there a good gui based ftp client that works via firewall/squid proxy? |
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| 00:49.44 | holycow | Kerr, yeah i used ghost back then, what i'm trying to do is figure out a procedure for mirroring to non uniform drive sizes |
| 00:49.48 | g3brown | Is there something like userlist to list all users? like in adduser deluser listuser ? |
| 00:50.16 | holycow | generally its an upgrade from smaller -> larger... the hope is once i can figure it out to write some scriptage to automate the process |
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| 00:51.06 | Kerr | g3brown: cat /etc/passwd |
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| 00:51.38 | Rank | RETR /etc/passwd |
| 00:52.33 | Kerr | huh? |
| 00:52.34 | Deepa | hmm |
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| 00:52.46 | Deepa | how do i use wget to download a file that will be deleted immideatly? |
| 00:53.10 | blondie | what's the point of that? |
| 00:53.23 | Deepa | actually there is none, but its going to be used with a crontab |
| 00:53.28 | sussudio | Deepa: man wget |
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| 00:53.30 | g3brown | blondie: sometimes you need to wget to activate something. |
| 00:53.30 | Deepa | so get htat file once every 10th minute |
| 00:53.48 | g3brown | blondie: like a php script that updates something |
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| 00:54.13 | blondie | I see |
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| 00:54.59 | ribnitz | I alos have a smallish problem, that in 'screen' backspace doesnt work at all. |
| 00:55.02 | Deepa | *sigh* i hate the manual for wget :/ |
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| 00:55.17 | bucky | use curl |
| 00:55.26 | ribnitz | Deepa: wget is probably one of the best out there. |
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| 00:55.35 | Deepa | yea i know that |
| 00:55.40 | Deepa | but i still hate the manual for it |
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| 00:55.55 | Deepa | im at line 811 now |
| 00:55.57 | g3brown | Deepa: couldn't you make a bash script that wget then just deletes? then call that from cron? |
| 00:55.57 | britt | cdrecord wont see my IDE DVD-RW drive |
| 00:56.07 | britt | so how do i get it to see my drive? |
| 00:56.14 | Deepa | g3brown: rather have wget to download it to like... /dev/null |
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| 00:56.17 | dvs | britt: What kernel? |
| 00:56.24 | britt | the newest one |
| 00:56.30 | Deepa | that way its idiotsafe |
| 00:56.37 | Deepa | so even if i (sorta) manage to screw it up... |
| 00:56.38 | britt | 2.6.8-2 |
| 00:56.40 | Deepa | it cant go wrong :D |
| 00:56.52 | kspath | ribnitz: did you try setting ERASE or TERM ? |
| 00:57.09 | kurumin | Where i can download a newer kernel, and how I intall this? |
| 00:57.13 | Deepa | and thb, ive forgotten howto make bash scripts :X |
| 00:57.23 | g3brown | Deepa: Now that you say that, I have a website that does that, to /dev/null, now if I could only find it. |
| 00:57.24 | kurumin | somebody knows? |
| 00:57.27 | dvs | britt: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA |
| 00:57.37 | kspath | ribnitz: if it happens on specific machines just add a .bashrc or whatever to mode it once you log in there |
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| 00:57.56 | kspath | ribnitz: mod it modify |
| 00:57.59 | g3brown | Deepa: wget --delete-after |
| 00:58.06 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 00:58.11 | Deepa | ah :D |
| 00:58.16 | kurumin | HELP!!! |
| 00:58.31 | Deepa | ty :D |
| 00:58.50 | g3brown | Deepa: np |
| 00:59.00 | Azar | I got a brand new o/s less PC and now trying to install Woody, something new here though: at selecting Disk Drive it gives me /dev/hde, what a "hde" is? |
| 00:59.02 | kurumin | and... how i play a mp3 in console?? |
| 00:59.03 | Deepa | 0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * wget ... |
| 00:59.06 | Deepa | would that make a crontab |
| 00:59.07 | Azar | usually I get /dev/hda |
| 00:59.16 | Deepa | i added taht as input in, crontab -e |
| 00:59.28 | blondie | Azar: why woody and not sarge? |
| 00:59.43 | Azar | blondie, I have sarge and the CD will not boot |
| 00:59.48 | Azar | only Woody boots |
| 00:59.51 | britt | kurumin: mp3blaster |
| 00:59.55 | blondie | and if it gives hde, it means it's the 5th IDE channel |
| 01:00.07 | Deepa | i hate crontabs even more then i hate the wget manual :P |
| 01:00.12 | Azar | blondie, so it is normal, right? |
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| 01:00.39 | blondie | Azar: iff the harddisk is on the 5th ide channel |
| 01:00.43 | dvs | Azar: Try the linux26 boot option |
| 01:01.08 | g3brown | Azar: you see this -> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/09/msg00153.html |
| 01:01.13 | Deepa | err, how do i make a crontab? |
| 01:01.15 | Deepa | i just typed |
| 01:01.18 | Deepa | crontab -e |
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| 01:01.21 | Azar | dvs, the HD is blank, I put BIOS to boot from CD, inserted Sarge and got an error: CD not bootable |
| 01:01.25 | Deepa | pressed some random keys |
| 01:01.26 | Azar | Sarge CD #1 |
| 01:01.28 | Deepa | got into input |
| 01:01.31 | Deepa | added the wget part |
| 01:01.33 | Deepa | then waht? |
| 01:01.38 | Azar | Woody worked like a charm |
| 01:01.42 | dvs | Azar: Then the CD is burnt wrong |
| 01:01.44 | blondie | sounds like the burn didn't work then |
| 01:01.49 | Azar | dvs, possible |
| 01:01.50 | blondie | or the .iso is corrupted |
| 01:02.10 | Azar | I am used to install from Woody then continuing with Sarge apt sourcers |
| 01:02.33 | acad | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.04 | dvs | Azar: That may work |
| 01:03.29 | Icelord | What is the better debian distro?? |
| 01:03.33 | g3brown | Deepa: are you trying to run a script at a certain time? if so you couldn't you just put the wget in /etc/cron.daily or whatever? |
| 01:03.41 | dvs | Icelord: Is there any other? |
| 01:03.45 | Deepa | g3brown: every 2nd minute |
| 01:03.45 | SimonRaven | Icelord: there's only one |
| 01:03.50 | Deepa | i want it to execute that script |
| 01:03.53 | Icelord | ? |
| 01:03.59 | britt | thx |
| 01:04.10 | Azar | ok guys I am having a bit of trouble , I do not know how to navigate the boot partitioining screen.. |
| 01:04.22 | SimonRaven | there's no debian2, or debian-eat-my-shorts, just debian |
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| 01:04.31 | g3brown | Deepa: sorry I no help there. |
| 01:04.34 | Deepa | kk |
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| 01:04.49 | SimonRaven | Icelord: don't /msg me |
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| 01:05.01 | voxvirus | hello all |
| 01:05.04 | Icelord | ok |
| 01:05.06 | Azar | the Swap partition should be Primary or Logical? |
| 01:05.17 | acad | Icelord lots of other debian based distributions- different ones are good for different things- xandros, linspire both are good on the desktop |
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| 01:05.18 | dvs | Azar: It's up to you |
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| 01:05.31 | dvs | Azar: You can only have 4 primary partitions though |
| 01:05.34 | Azar | uh |
| 01:05.48 | SimonRaven | i think s/he/s confused on the concept of 'distro/distribution' |
| 01:05.56 | Icelord | i want a distro with all libs for compile and install everything ^^ |
| 01:06.11 | Azar | so its ok to have both, Swap and the rest of HD on Primary? |
| 01:06.24 | Icelord | tem algum BR aqui? |
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| 01:06.48 | dvs | Azar: Yup |
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| 01:06.54 | Azar | :) thanks dvs |
| 01:07.00 | voxvirus | i just upgraded to 2.6.14 i used module-assistant to compile the nvidia module to setup my riva tnt2 m64, but there was an error.. apparently the nvidia module does no longer suport it |
| 01:07.00 | dvs | Azar: No problem |
| 01:07.11 | Firefishe | Is anyone here running linux on an ipaq 2215? |
| 01:07.19 | Azar | dvs estimative, how much could be a swap size? 600MB? |
| 01:07.22 | Firefishe | Intimate, specifcally? |
| 01:07.27 | Deepa | g3brown: you dont happen to know how i make a crontab at all do you? |
| 01:07.36 | voxvirus | right now i'm running X.org with the nv driver |
| 01:07.38 | blondie | man crontab |
| 01:07.46 | Deepa | blondie: that was what i just did |
| 01:07.48 | Deepa | made me no wiser |
| 01:07.57 | Buddha| | Azar - The swap partition should be twice the size of your physical RAM |
| 01:08.15 | Azar | Buddha, :) thanks |
| 01:08.15 | Buddha| | Azar - so if you have 512MB of RAM, your swap partition should be 1 GB |
| 01:08.16 | g3brown | Deepa: I've only used crontab on shared host, not on my own box |
| 01:08.17 | dvs | Azar: Like Buddha| said |
| 01:08.18 | jrleimer | hi |
| 01:08.18 | blondie | umm I don't remember |
| 01:08.23 | ribnitz | Azar: at least thats a starting point. |
| 01:08.31 | acad | IceLord if your just looking to install debian on the desktop- and want to be able to install lots of applications (commercial, etc without alot of difficulty) then Linspire is probably what your looking for- if your looking to actually compile stuff from scratch try pure debian :) |
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| 01:08.34 | Deepa | g3brown: but you HAVE used it then! |
| 01:08.36 | Deepa | i havent :/ |
| 01:08.37 | adrakoa | hi |
| 01:08.48 | dvs | Azar: A maximum of 1GB though |
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| 01:08.59 | Firefishe | Buddha|: If it's not double the size of available RAM, can the performance be quite denigrated? |
| 01:09.00 | g3brown | Deepa: yeah, but it GUI. Just fill in the blanks. |
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| 01:09.04 | Azar | dvs, I know it is dumb in MB how much could that be? |
| 01:09.11 | SimonRaven | Icelord: fetch sarge iso, burn it, then install with that. there's 2 basic isos, one's ~150 MB, and called netinst, and the other is the full cd #1 ~600-650 MB. the last one is good if you don't have high speed / on dialup |
| 01:09.11 | dvs | Azar: 1024 |
| 01:09.17 | Azar | thanks dvs |
| 01:09.17 | ribnitz | Firefishe: depends on the ram |
| 01:09.24 | voxvirus | any clues on what i can do to fix it? |
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| 01:09.26 | g3brown | Deepa: the concept is simple. I've just never did it. |
| 01:09.30 | Deepa | :P |
| 01:09.35 | SimonRaven | Icelord: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 01:09.49 | Icelord | I dont like my distro because my apt-get dont works |
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| 01:10.03 | acad | IceLord what distribution is that? |
| 01:10.06 | SimonRaven | you should fix it then |
| 01:10.13 | Icelord | my distro have 1 Cd, it is Kurumin |
| 01:10.22 | SimonRaven | easier than just re-installing |
| 01:10.24 | Icelord | i want a more complete distro |
| 01:10.38 | SimonRaven | ah i see |
| 01:10.44 | ribnitz | Icelord: debian testing, ubuntu.. |
| 01:10.56 | blondie | kurumin? what is that? |
| 01:10.58 | acad | IceLord the most 'complete' distribution is not going to be debian.. hehe it'll be debian based. debian is purely open source |
| 01:11.06 | SimonRaven | you won't go wrong with debian (if i say so myself, in my very biased opinion ;) |
| 01:11.18 | adrakoa | hi, when i do netstat -al, i see this "raw 0 0 *:255 *:* 7 " |
| 01:11.31 | SimonRaven | depends on what you define as 'complete' |
| 01:11.41 | acad | that is for sure- |
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| 01:11.59 | Rank | but what is kurumin? |
| 01:12.18 | Icelord | kurumin is a Debian based Distro, made in Brazil |
| 01:12.21 | Icelord | my country |
| 01:12.23 | Icelord | ^^ |
| 01:12.30 | acad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurumin |
| 01:12.34 | Icelord | but i have some problems with support |
| 01:13.07 | Azar | what is the best type to chose, LInux, or LInux extended? I am installing Woody ext3 |
| 01:13.07 | Azar | ..for partition |
| 01:13.07 | dvs | Azar: Linux extended |
| 01:13.09 | adrakoa | hi, when i do netstat -al, i see this "raw 0 0 *:255 *:* 7 " , how could i know, what process use this? fuser, doesn't work.. thanks |
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| 01:13.19 | Icelord | i have to help my mother... ^^, thanks for the help |
| 01:13.24 | Azar | thanks dvs |
| 01:13.33 | ribnitz | Azar: thats üartitioning, you can have 3 partitions (normal), one extended, and the rest logical. |
| 01:13.33 | acad | Kurumin looks pretty cool :) i 'm sure it doesn't have the same kind of applications & support though.. |
| 01:13.35 | dvs | no prob |
| 01:13.36 | Icelord | ( she are affraid because the dark garden) |
| 01:13.39 | kspath | adrakoa: lsof perhaps |
| 01:13.57 | dvs | ribnitz: he's setting the TYPE of partition |
| 01:14.05 | Azar | hmm so for new PCs now it will be "hde" not "hda" .. interesting |
| 01:14.06 | dvs | ribnitz: As in file system |
| 01:14.17 | Garda | meebo |
| 01:14.19 | ribnitz | dvs: Oh. |
| 01:14.21 | Garda | oops |
| 01:14.21 | hanasaki | can gftp wrok via / over squid proxy? |
| 01:14.22 | hanasaki | how |
| 01:14.41 | dvs | Azar: Uh? Must be a SATA drive. |
| 01:15.04 | voxvirus | anyone? please! |
| 01:15.05 | kspath | adrakoa: if you machine is compromised the file you are looking for is already likely "deleted" but still there due to its being in use still |
| 01:15.31 | ribnitz | dvs: isnt that mapped to sdX? |
| 01:15.42 | dvs | ribnitz: I've seen both. |
| 01:15.59 | ribnitz | dvs: hde is simply master on the third bus. |
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| 01:16.35 | dvs | ribnitz: What motherboard has three IDE channels? |
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| 01:16.55 | adrakoa | kspath i think , it "feel" compromised, only a firewall say me something... :). |
| 01:17.14 | ribnitz | dvs: not mine, I have a "legacy ide", 2 devices, rest is SATA. |
| 01:17.37 | SimonRaven | if you get a sense of security from a 'firewall', then you need to-rethink your security policy |
| 01:17.45 | ribnitz | dvs: and that gets mapped to sdX since 2.66.8 I think. |
| 01:17.49 | kspath | adrakoa: did you nmap it remotely and/or locally to see if you see something that way also? |
| 01:18.34 | ribnitz | SimonRaven: Shoot the sysadmin if something goes wrong? ;) |
| 01:18.51 | kspath | adrakoa: process of elimination: account for all processes and files what is left is the problem |
| 01:18.59 | tuv | dvs: one could have an additional IDE controller with additional two channels. some sata or ata raid controllers have auxilary ide channels too |
| 01:19.36 | kspath | adrakoa: lsof found punks for me before it can be very powerful |
| 01:19.37 | ribnitz | dvs: hde miht be the hw raid slot |
| 01:19.43 | SimonRaven | ribnitz: if that's the only policy you have available, sure. but beware if you are wrong, you might find your $HOME tarred up and gzipped, dumped to backups, and not being able to login ;) |
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| 01:20.03 | dvs | ribnitz: Not for my Asus P4PE. It's on the sda raid device |
| 01:20.27 | ribnitz | dvs: ât work the raid is scsui. |
| 01:20.58 | kspath | adrakoa: the problem is if the compromise is intelligent it might stop/hide and come back later or mutate |
| 01:21.03 | deadcat | i am having trouble burning with gcombust on 2.6. what the f. no problem before. |
| 01:21.13 | rendi | apt-get install gd |
| 01:21.15 | rendi | E: Couldn't find package gd |
| 01:21.15 | adrakoa | kspath i dude of integrity of lsof... i see in localhost send packets, i didn't expect.. |
| 01:21.20 | deadcat | cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. |
| 01:21.21 | rendi | can anyone help me bout that |
| 01:21.31 | SimonRaven | !tell rendi -about search |
| 01:21.34 | deadcat | rendi: not pkg named gd |
| 01:21.57 | rendi | http://www.boutell.com/gd/ |
| 01:22.06 | deadcat | no |
| 01:22.09 | SimonRaven | so? |
| 01:22.21 | rendi | it gd right ? |
| 01:22.21 | SimonRaven | don't assume that's going to be the debian package name |
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| 01:22.34 | ribnitz | deadcat: that might be a broken cdrecord.. |
| 01:22.38 | fbi | [17:22] <SimonRaven> so? |
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| 01:22.41 | SimonRaven | read what the bot told you about searching |
| 01:22.45 | fbi | ack |
| 01:22.46 | kspath | adrakoa: if you can determine how they got in or what tactics they are using note them then either take machine offline and make a bit for bit copy which might be useless or just wipe clean and put new safer more restrictive installation |
| 01:22.46 | fbi | sorry |
| 01:22.53 | deadcat | ribnitz: ok. thanks. i am using unstable by the way. |
| 01:23.00 | fbi | this stupid mouse has a fifth button that acts as a third |
| 01:23.04 | fbi | i wish i could disable that shit |
| 01:23.04 | voxvirus | modprobe nvidia says the gpu is suported by legacyd rivers |
| 01:23.05 | deadcat | ribnitz: and i rarely burn anything. |
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| 01:23.12 | SimonRaven | fbi: yuou %*&&&$%*&$*&$&^%#@GV$@^%R#~)@%$#$ :P |
| 01:23.14 | ribnitz | deadcat: me too, since todays update, I am seeing similar probs. |
| 01:23.18 | voxvirus | modprobe nvidia says the gpu is suported by legacy drivers * |
| 01:23.30 | fbi | SimonRaven: did you see my question about mocp? |
| 01:23.31 | deadcat | ribnitz: k |
| 01:23.34 | fbi | i was on my other nick i think |
| 01:23.40 | FliesLikeABrick | so many iptables tutorials that cover SNAT use -i with POSTROUTING, but when i try it it says "Can't use -i with POSTROUTING" -- am i doing something wrong? |
| 01:23.45 | Firefishe | Anyone here able to get Debian installed on a PDA? |
| 01:23.53 | SimonRaven | fbi: no |
| 01:24.04 | voxvirus | how the heck do i get module-assistant to use them with 2.6.14 instead? |
| 01:24.13 | fbi | SimonRaven: have you notcied mocp not exiting cleanly when you try and q it? |
| 01:24.21 | fbi | it happens both in screen and without screen |
| 01:24.27 | ribnitz | voxvirus: the last 2.6.14 I saw was br0ken |
| 01:24.29 | fbi | the file will continue to play until i kill the process |
| 01:24.46 | adrakoa | kspath thx. |
| 01:24.50 | SimonRaven | fbi: that's a feature, use Q to quit the daemon as well |
| 01:25.02 | voxvirus | ribnitz broken how? im running 2.6.14-2 |
| 01:25.04 | SimonRaven | rtfm ;) |
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| 01:25.17 | fbi | SimonRaven: but in a screen, the screen terminates and the app still runs |
| 01:25.23 | ribnitz | voxvirus: linux-image-2.6.14-..? |
| 01:25.23 | fbi | it's not supposed to do that is it... |
| 01:25.32 | SimonRaven | yes it is |
| 01:25.36 | fbi | doh! |
| 01:26.05 | fbi | i just found that odd, when i tried to shut it down and it kept running, i'll do something insane like read the docs |
| 01:26.15 | rendi | !info gd |
| 01:26.22 | SimonRaven | if you have an 'album' loaded, it'll play the whole thing, and you don't have to have the UI still open. it's rather neat actually |
| 01:26.47 | fbi | cheers, i'll read the documentation |
| 01:27.01 | hanasaki | how do i setup my firewall / squid so folks can use gftp to ftp |
| 01:27.13 | voxvirus | ribnitz i'm running 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 01:27.52 | voxvirus | argh.. |
| 01:28.19 | kspath | talk like a pirate day? |
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| 01:28.25 | fbi | !pirate |
| 01:28.25 | dpkg | methinks pirate is a robber and murderer in international waters. See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy> |
| 01:28.39 | fbi | pirates don't normally say "argh" by the way. |
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| 01:29.02 | Rank | when i add a line "co:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -h -t 60 ttyS0 115200 vt102" to /etc/inittab, and expect agetty running and listen on ttyS0, but it doesn't work, anyone know why? when i run "telinit q" on the console, agetty can run, anyone know why? |
| 01:29.08 | voxvirus | i just upgraded 'cause i got this wacom tablet, and i wanted it well suported |
| 01:29.10 | SimonRaven | arrr |
| 01:29.32 | voxvirus | now my 2.6.12 got messedup somehow |
| 01:29.54 | voxvirus | still dont have suport for the tablet |
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| 01:30.14 | voxvirus | and lost suport for 3d in my riva tnt |
| 01:30.22 | botsy | do you know what's the option in squid.conf for obligate authentification for all users ? |
| 01:30.26 | Azar | I have a 3Com 10/100 PCI Ethernet and the website say it works , it has drivers for linux 2.4 however I don't know which model to chose from the modconfig on the brand new Woody installation? |
| 01:30.31 | voxvirus | what a heck of a way to start the day |
| 01:30.35 | voxvirus | :\ |
| 01:30.47 | dvs | Azar: 3c59x |
| 01:30.56 | Rank | when i add a line "co:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -h -t 60 ttyS0 115200 vt102" to /etc/inittab, and expect agetty running and listen on ttyS0, but it doesn't work, anyone know why? when i run "telinit q" on the console, agetty can run, anyone know why? i don't know to ask this on which channel? |
| 01:30.59 | Azar | thank you dvs :) |
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| 01:31.06 | dvs | Azar: That's the most popular anyways |
| 01:31.10 | SimonRaven | botsy: it's called go RTFM |
| 01:31.23 | botsy | rtfm ? |
| 01:31.40 | SimonRaven | !rtfm |
| 01:31.41 | dpkg | methinks rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] or Read Their Fucking Minds. |
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| 01:32.04 | ribnitz | botsy: requires basixc reading skills, and skills to follow easy orders given by trained staff.. |
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| 01:32.15 | tuv | voxvirus: maybe you upgraded nvidia-glx when you went to unstable and now the old nvidia kernel module in 2.6.12 kernel tree is incompatible with the new nvidia-glx |
| 01:32.25 | botsy | SimonRaven, i have read but i haven't found ... |
| 01:32.49 | tuv | voxvirus: try either to downgrade nvidia-glx to re-build the nvidia module |
| 01:32.55 | SimonRaven | is there a squid-doc package? install it if there is |
| 01:32.59 | tuv | voxvirus: on 2.6.12 i mean |
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| 01:33.09 | ribnitz | does hdparm work for ide drives on newer kernels? |
| 01:33.14 | SimonRaven | or go see their web site, they probably have some there |
| 01:33.14 | voxvirus | tuv i doubt it.. it's a kernel panic while booting |
| 01:33.18 | botsy | thank |
| 01:33.41 | Silvermaster469 | hey |
| 01:33.49 | Tortel | hi |
| 01:33.50 | Silvermaster469 | anybody know about servers? |
| 01:34.01 | Silvermaster469 | irc hosting servers to be exact |
| 01:34.03 | ribnitz | !anybody |
| 01:34.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 01:34.12 | Tortel | !know |
| 01:34.12 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
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| 01:34.26 | SimonRaven | nice bague question. we just *love* those |
| 01:34.27 | tuv | voxvirus: so 2.6.12 panics and 2.6.14 boots? weired! |
| 01:34.30 | SimonRaven | vague* |
| 01:34.38 | Silvermaster469 | okay, so does anybody Understand hosting servers? |
| 01:34.40 | voxvirus | tuv anyway.. i wanted to use 2.6.14 .. fuse and suport for the wacom tablet make it 'interesting' |
| 01:34.57 | voxvirus | tuv yup |
| 01:34.59 | dvs | !ask |
| 01:35.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:35.18 | tuv | voxvirus: but debian's 2.6.14 is still problematic |
| 01:35.40 | voxvirus | tuv the problem is the nvidia module built by module-assistant |
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| 01:36.19 | voxvirus | tuv that apparently does not suport 'legacy gpus' like the one in my riva tnt2 m64 |
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| 01:37.33 | tabris|away | Silvermaster469: I know about running ircd hosting servers, but tbh, the whole job sucks in most cases, unless it's big enough and you can avoid the XDCC/Warez crowd. |
| 01:37.40 | Tortel | hmm, in in etch, and I am reluctant to remove hotplug and use the new udev, is udev ok to use? |
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| 01:37.54 | dvs | Tortel: Works for me. |
| 01:38.12 | Tortel | !udev |
| 01:38.12 | dpkg | [udev] at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 01:38.18 | Silvermaster469 | okay, thanks. I just need some information, im starting a company |
| 01:38.30 | Tortel | thats why I am nervous..... |
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| 01:39.06 | tabris|away | Silvermaster469: you'll have to be a lot more specific with such questions, and probably find a more relevant venue for the asking. tho I will tell you that yes, I am so far preferring Debian Sarge to FC or FBSD for it (FBSD might be ebtter security, but Debian is easier while still being stable) |
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| 01:39.40 | SimonRaven | the machines are only as secure as the admin |
| 01:39.54 | Silvermaster469 | okay |
| 01:39.56 | SimonRaven | having a decent OS helps ;) |
| 01:40.02 | Silvermaster469 | specific as in how, lol |
| 01:40.16 | kspath | how? lol |
| 01:40.17 | tabris|away | and hte rules that you're forced to go by by the customers and your boss. aka having to schedule a security-related reboot a week in advance sucks ass. |
| 01:40.40 | Silvermaster469 | im planning on hosting irc shell accounts and that would mean i would have to have have some type of linux OS server addition. |
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| 01:40.48 | tabris|away | Silvermaster469: you're not asking any actual questions on operations, you're just asking 'if anyone knows about ircd hosting' whcih isn't a question that can be answered muc beyond 'yes/no' |
| 01:40.56 | kspath | ok zips 10 years of internaut exp into a few words |
| 01:41.07 | tabris|away | Silvermaster469: how about be sure that you're competent/conversant with running an ircnet first. |
| 01:41.09 | Silvermaster469 | okay, let me put it to you this way |
| 01:41.17 | SimonRaven | kspath: BOFH |
| 01:41.30 | Silvermaster469 | well, im a quick learner |
| 01:41.47 | Silvermaster469 | learning how to maintain a server should be no problemb for me |
| 01:42.10 | Silvermaster469 | i am by no means new to irc |
| 01:42.24 | tabris|away | Silvermaster469: trust me, you'll want to know how to do it, and thus the requirements for your customers, first. yes, I was a quick learner first, but I didn't want to be thrown in headfirst (which is just about how it went. I went from running an ircnet, to 6 months later running an ircd hosting service, and having to do it on a VERY small budget |
| 01:42.25 | Silvermaster469 | i am network admin on four networks |
| 01:42.28 | kspath | if you had a photographic memory and can read VERY fast buy all books on coding and internet and unix and linux and os and firewalls and security |
| 01:43.23 | Silvermaster469 | right, but i dont plan on having a small budget |
| 01:43.26 | Silvermaster469 | its all in marketing |
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| 01:43.41 | kspath | four networks? do they use ospf ? |
| 01:43.41 | Silvermaster469 | if you want in, i would not mind the help |
| 01:44.05 | tabris|away | kspath: irc networks. BGP vs OSPF not relevant. |
| 01:44.09 | Silvermaster469 | I am planning on opening irc up to everybody |
| 01:44.11 | zardiz | anyone use debian && selinux? |
| 01:44.19 | dvs | !anyone use |
| 01:44.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:44.33 | tabris|away | Silvermaster469: I'm not sure I want to work for free anymore, I'm way past annoyed by it. |
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| 01:45.13 | tabris|away | (and being paid 50USD/month for being at beck and call for anything that breaks is insulting, and annoying. and yes, that was what i had to put up with for a while) |
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| 01:45.56 | kspath | 50$ per month will not buy anything but ramen noodles and water |
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| 01:46.36 | ribnitz | kspath: ramen noodles are good.. |
| 01:46.38 | Silvermaster469 | well you would not be working for free |
| 01:46.45 | Silvermaster469 | i mean i would definately give you a cut |
| 01:46.50 | voxvirus | thants anyway everyone |
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| 01:47.02 | Silvermaster469 | if you can help me with free bsd or whatever |
| 01:47.08 | kspath | ribnitz: they only provide carbs and salt mostly even if they taste good there is a limit |
| 01:47.15 | tabris|away | I know a lot more Linux/Debian than FBSD. |
| 01:47.16 | voxvirus | closed source drivers really suck ass |
| 01:47.19 | zardiz | yum... sodium |
| 01:47.37 | ribnitz | kspath: I was a student at some time. over here its like pasta. |
| 01:47.37 | Silvermaster469 | well which one would you suggest? |
| 01:47.43 | zardiz | voxvirus: so does a constantly morphing ABI for kernel drivers |
| 01:47.51 | tabris|away | sure, and I've eaten ramen dry too. |
| 01:48.00 | Silvermaster469 | lmao college |
| 01:48.08 | tabris|away | Silvermaster469: so far I'm preferring Linux/Debian, with a possible eventual swing to SuSE. |
| 01:48.10 | Silvermaster469 | dry ramen and selling blood plasma |
| 01:48.30 | ribnitz | Silvermaster469: you have to live on something.. |
| 01:49.08 | britt | Silvermaster469: ramen noodles are the college student's staple |
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| 01:49.24 | voxvirus | zardiz that too, but if they were open, no mater how many abi changes they could always be refactored, being closed source, only when the owner wants too do so |
| 01:49.24 | zardiz | no wonder my papers never stayed together well |
| 01:49.35 | Silvermaster469 | mmm correct you are my child] |
| 01:49.37 | Silvermaster469 | brb |
| 01:49.38 | kspath | I ate more ramen as a tech and systems engineer than I ever did in college |
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| 01:49.56 | zardiz | which kind, the classic "square" ramen, or like the cup ones? |
| 01:50.06 | blondie | what's a ramen? |
| 01:50.07 | kspath | square ones for me |
| 01:50.17 | zardiz | there are many new flavors now |
| 01:50.18 | ribnitz | kspath: the pour hot water over stuff is quite good, sometimes. Lasts forever, requires little infrastructure.. |
| 01:50.18 | tabris|away | square ones are easier to eat dry. |
| 01:50.24 | kspath | I have a pile of them less than 30 feet from me now |
| 01:50.27 | drivamgr2006 | Right - Its me again... I know you are probably hating the site of me right now, but I just installed debian sarge flat off the floor with a 2.6 kernel, and kdm as the display manager. When I start the x server now, I get a black screen with a white and black x in the middle, which does move with the mouse, then that disappears and the system locks up. Help! |
| 01:50.27 | zardiz | there's like 'creamy roast beef', 'creamy chicken' |
| 01:50.32 | tabris|away | plus the square ones are cheaper. |
| 01:51.22 | drivamgr2006 | Blondie - they are a type of japanese noodle which I believe, come with some kind of soup base... |
| 01:51.33 | zardiz | dpkg should know about ramen |
| 01:51.39 | blondie | "oh" |
| 01:51.39 | tabris|away | Ramen is supposedly chinese for 'student food' |
| 01:51.56 | Garda | who takes care of dpkg |
| 01:51.56 | drivamgr2006 | and if I am not mistaken, ramen are made with buckwheat flour, am I right? |
| 01:52.04 | tabris|away | !ramen |
| 01:52.05 | dpkg | ramen are the best ever noodles! HAXOR FOOD! |
| 01:52.19 | mathias64 | can anyone here recommend from experience a secure encrypted network filesystem? Using ssh doesn't count. |
| 01:52.36 | zardiz | afs is fairly secure |
| 01:52.42 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: tunnel a filesystem over ssl |
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| 01:53.12 | nixie | aesloop+openvpn/ipsec+nfs |
| 01:53.25 | botsy | anybody have how to for .pac file ??? please help me .... i just search doc .... |
| 01:53.28 | kspath | maruchan Ramen noodle soup chicken flavour wheat flour is used for the noodles |
| 01:53.41 | drivamgr2006 | in case anyone is wondering on mine, I have the vesa driver now back and installed, and monitor, moose and kbd set up where they should be. |
| 01:54.02 | dvs | moose? |
| 01:54.02 | drivamgr2006 | ^s/moose/mouse |
| 01:54.08 | zardiz | haha |
| 01:54.09 | dvs | must be big! |
| 01:54.09 | lekvar | ramen are NOT the best |
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| 01:54.14 | lekvar | Shin Ramyun are the best. |
| 01:54.15 | zardiz | where DO you keep that moose? |
| 01:54.15 | britt | !moose |
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| 01:54.20 | drivamgr2006 | it near on 2am here, I am nackered! |
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| 01:54.29 | blondie | yes |
| 01:54.30 | drivamgr2006 | My typing is bound to bork by this time of night |
| 01:54.33 | dvs | zardiz: On the officetop? |
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| 01:54.44 | zardiz | there's a moose in the hoose |
| 01:54.50 | drivamgr2006 | and its loose |
| 01:54.57 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 01:55.14 | kspath | let us vamoose |
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| 01:55.37 | drivamgr2006 | before it kicks ya up the caboose |
| 01:55.45 | dvs | drivamgr2006: but that abuse! |
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| 01:55.55 | kspath | how obtuse |
| 01:56.02 | tabris|away | Silvermaster469: check your PM/query for my email addr to send terms/pay info. assuming you're not blocking PMs anyhow. |
| 01:56.21 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: for some reason I want the encryption at the filesystem level, not via ipsec or ssl. |
| 01:56.40 | drivamgr2006 | ok i think i have rhymed enough for tonight/this morning! |
| 01:56.43 | nixie | mathias64: thats loopaes. |
| 01:56.57 | drivamgr2006 | My brain hurts from getting debian to do what I want it to do... |
| 01:56.58 | nixie | any way to transfer it to other machines has to be nfs, samba etc |
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| 01:57.08 | zardiz | debian hurts from me getting it to do what i want to do |
| 01:57.12 | mathias64 | nixie: it's the transfer I care about, not the bits on the disk. |
| 01:57.34 | zardiz | mathias64: openvpn + ipsec + anything then |
| 01:57.37 | nixie | nfsd-ssl? dunno if its there |
| 01:57.38 | tabris|away | mathias64: so why not just insist on IPsec ? |
| 01:57.49 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: you either want the transfer encrypted or you want the filesystem itself encrypted. |
| 01:58.17 | kspath | transfer can not be via ssh and rsync? |
| 01:58.28 | kspath | or sftp? |
| 01:58.35 | mathias64 | I want the transfer encrypted. I know ipsec will work. I was hoping that there was a filesystem that took care of encryption itself, instead of doing it over the network. I said earlier that ssh doesn't count - I want a live filesystem |
| 01:58.38 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: whether it's done at the transport level or in the filesystem itself is immaterial. [Indeed, it's far better for the filesystem to use the transport layer to do the encryption, as it's far more flexible and generally far better teested] |
| 01:59.44 | nixie | samba/nfs works fine over udp openvpn tunnels |
| 02:00.16 | mathias64 | I refuse to use nfs. Does samba really give a full unix filesystem? |
| 02:00.25 | zardiz | mathias64: acl's and all |
| 02:00.46 | mathias64 | hmm. |
| 02:00.54 | rendi | !find eAccelerator |
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| 02:01.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'eAccelerator' returned no results. |
| 02:01.14 | kspath | wow you hate nfs that much? |
| 02:01.19 | nixie | rendi: www.dotdeb.org has it. iirc its not in stable. |
| 02:01.46 | rendi | doh |
| 02:02.12 | rendi | soo http://opensource.creativ-it.net/ <-- its death ? |
| 02:02.23 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 02:02.25 | blondie | mathias64: no it doesn't |
| 02:02.33 | mathias64 | blondie: ? |
| 02:02.50 | blondie | mounting samba shares on linux doesn't work with multiple users |
| 02:03.29 | blondie | you can encrypt NFS |
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| 02:03.48 | kspath | if tunnel is encryted what is the point? |
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| 02:04.11 | blondie | delusions |
| 02:04.12 | blondie | :) |
| 02:04.29 | mathias64 | blondie: I have neer been fond of nfs, and I continue to be unfond of it. But I don't need a ``distributed'' fs like coda or afs |
| 02:04.30 | kspath | if you have decent resources you can do both |
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| 02:04.57 | blondie | mathias64: like I said, you can get secure NFS (it's just a pita to setup) |
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| 02:05.27 | nixie | mathias64: if you disregard encryption, how *would* you access filesystems on other boxes? |
| 02:05.30 | antgel_ | antony@geddy:~$ id3v2 -l Ogg/transatlantic/smpte/01-all_of_the_above.ogg |
| 02:05.33 | antgel_ | Ogg/transatlantic/smpte/01-all_of_the_above.ogg: No ID3 tag |
| 02:05.38 | xinming | anyone here use testing? many X program won't run after I do upgrade today. :-/ |
| 02:05.40 | xinming | always causes segfault. |
| 02:05.42 | schatzelli | is initrd necsesary for kernel compile ? |
| 02:05.53 | dondelelcaro | xinming: which programs? what version of X are you using? |
| 02:05.58 | dvs | schatzelli: nope |
| 02:06.13 | antgel_ | what gives? xmms sees the tag okay |
| 02:06.33 | mathias64 | nixie: that's part of the problem. Is there actually a decent network FS? I have never used AFS or coda. I know NFS has lots of problems (but I don't know if the linux nfs server is better than the sun nfs server) |
| 02:06.41 | kspath | wow I used nfs for many many years I only ever had issues with windows crap sharing not nfs |
| 02:06.50 | zardiz | mathias64: what are these nfs problems? |
| 02:06.57 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: all of the network filesystems have different issues. NFS generally works just fine. |
| 02:07.00 | nixie | mathias64: i suggest you actually try nfs for a while before commenting on how bad it is |
| 02:07.04 | kspath | but I guess each person has their own experiences |
| 02:07.09 | antgel_ | mathias64: NFS is the boom ting |
| 02:07.12 | mathias64 | locking and nonpresistant inode numbers are two of the problems |
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| 02:07.29 | blondie | NFS is fine really |
| 02:07.43 | dondelelcaro | anythign that assumes persistant inodes nowdays is totally busted, and the locking is only issues for things that do flock instead of fcntl. |
| 02:07.59 | antgel_ | mathias64: your apps care about inode numbers? |
| 02:08.04 | kspath | if you push nfs hard without enough resources there will be problems like any other filesystems |
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| 02:08.18 | xinming | dondelelcaro: for example, gnome-terminal, if I choose `Edit current profile', It will run a dialog, tell me that gnome-terminal is crashed. |
| 02:08.26 | mathias64 | I have used NFS for years. I know it mostly works. But I have this gut feeling that using NFS is like using sendmail -- misguided. |
| 02:08.43 | zardiz | mathias64: afs might be too much, but it won't be too little |
| 02:08.45 | nixie | computers dont have feelings |
| 02:08.52 | nixie | only bugs |
| 02:09.01 | mathias64 | nixie: ? |
| 02:09.12 | drivamgr2006 | That's my problem dealt with. Apparently, X is starting for about 2 or 3 seconds and then dying. According to a mailing list I found on the net, this is because X is having trouble locating a Window Manager! So one trip to apt-get install icewm later, and a quick change to /dev/gpmdata for my mouse, and I am up with a working wm and display!!! |
| 02:09.13 | blondie | mathias64: nah |
| 02:09.15 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: NFS is tried and true; it works. Other filesystems may be a better answer in specific cases, but they have their own issues as well. |
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| 02:09.17 | kspath | anything used incorrectly will have problems |
| 02:09.26 | antgel_ | mathias64: facts not feelings matter here |
| 02:09.32 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: anyway, you've got the full slate of possibilities. Figure out which one you like, and use it. |
| 02:09.33 | xinming | dondelelcaro: and other program, but not much, at least, xchat still works, and xfce4 won't start, I use xfce4 most time, But It won't start, so, I have to choose gnome, and found it is buggy at the moment. |
| 02:09.35 | kspath | over utilizing any systems will show issues |
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| 02:09.47 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: the full slate is nfs, samba, afs, and coda? |
| 02:10.06 | drivamgr2006 | anyhow, I do the rest tomorrow. Now its time for bed, and thats exactly what I am going to do. zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZ Night all |
| 02:10.07 | mathias64 | I was hoping someone here would know of the miraculous fitfh filesystem, the perfect one :) |
| 02:10.11 | blondie | samba is not suitable for mounting on linux for anything serious |
| 02:10.12 | nixie | mathias64: well you can technically add webdav to that, over https. |
| 02:10.18 | zardiz | ugh |
| 02:10.26 | mathias64 | I'll get right on the webdav... |
| 02:10.35 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: what, like AFP? |
| 02:10.37 | antgel_ | blondie: crapola! |
| 02:10.38 | kspath | mathias64: sneakernet FS? |
| 02:10.40 | nixie | but that has its own problems |
| 02:10.44 | blondie | antgel_: not |
| 02:10.47 | nixie | and is still in development |
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| 02:11.07 | kspath | mathias64: sneakernet FS? |
| 02:11.12 | nixie | and besides that, filesystem over http.. i mean cmon |
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| 02:11.23 | dondelelcaro | xinming: find a program that is consistently segfaulting on startup, and then run gdb fooprogram; r; bt full; and give the results to us using the paster bot. |
| 02:11.29 | nixie | its ok for a document folder i gues |
| 02:11.40 | nixie | but nothing serious |
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| 02:11.56 | mathias64 | I _can_ do lots of things. I can use unison over ssh, or I can use nfs with secure tunnelling. I don't like either solution. |
| 02:12.17 | dondelelcaro | xinming: we also need to know exactly which versions of the package and its dependencies you're using. |
| 02:12.21 | kspath | mathias64: with some conveyor belts and hot plug drives I can show you a fast data transfer rate with no data loss unless someone dents a drive while dropping it |
| 02:12.48 | mathias64 | I can picture it. |
| 02:12.53 | antgel_ | blondie: samba has *much* production use. evidence to support your misinformation? |
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| 02:13.27 | xinming | paster: url |
| 02:13.42 | xinming | oops |
| 02:13.49 | blondie | antgel_: did you read what I said? |
| 02:14.19 | antgel_ | mathias64: nfs/ipsec is good here |
| 02:14.31 | blondie | mounting smbfs rather than the samba server. |
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| 02:15.17 | antgel_ | blondie: ah! that i have no comment on! :) |
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| 02:15.29 | blondie | samba as a server is great |
| 02:15.38 | blondie | where the client is Windows |
| 02:15.45 | mathias64 | has anyone here tried the intermezzo filesystem? |
| 02:15.47 | blondie | but where the client is linux, it's shite (smbfs) |
| 02:16.00 | xinming | http://paste.lisp.org/display/14929 |
| 02:16.04 | xinming | dondelelcaro: http://paste.lisp.org/display/14929 |
| 02:16.28 | antgel_ | blondie: *nod* |
| 02:17.55 | kspath | mathias64: I think people were telling you things they know work by direct exp or by something someone they trust had working well |
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| 02:18.44 | dondelelcaro | xinming: and the bt full; output? |
| 02:18.51 | mathias64 | I believe it. I know that NFS generally works OK, except when it doesn't. I know that you can use ssl to tunnel an otherwise unencrypted filesystem. I was hoping for a more elegant solution. |
| 02:19.02 | xinming | dondelelcaro: I'll switch using erc to get here so that I can restart x without losing contact |
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| 02:19.25 | nixie | mathias64: what extreme situation requirements do you have |
| 02:19.30 | kspath | mathias64: elegant can be relative |
| 02:19.33 | xinming | dondelelcaro: what's bt full? |
| 02:20.27 | dondelelcaro | xinming: gives the full backtrace. |
| 02:20.38 | dondelelcaro | xinming: anyway, #321832 appears to be the bug that you're sseing. |
| 02:20.42 | mathias64 | nixie: I don't have extreme requirements. I want a way to keep files on my desktop computer and access them from other computers like my laptop and my work computer. |
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| 02:21.11 | dondelelcaro | xinming: however, that should have been fixed in 1.10.0-1 |
| 02:21.26 | kspath | mathias64: define "access" |
| 02:21.39 | nixie | mathias64: if they are all linux based, i'd just use nfs over an openvpn server. bind nfs only to the vpn interfaces. how would nfs fail there, anyway? |
| 02:21.42 | kspath | mathias64: real time? as if they are local fs? |
| 02:21.44 | mathias64 | kspath: mount the partition and access them as a native UNIX file system. |
| 02:21.52 | dondelelcaro | xinming: what version of libpango1.0-0 do you have installed? |
| 02:21.56 | xinming | dondelelcaro: not only the bluefish's problem, |
| 02:21.58 | dondelelcaro | xinming: dpkg -l libpango1.0-0;... |
| 02:22.03 | xinming | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 02:22.15 | mathias64 | I can already use scp to move files around; that's lame. |
| 02:22.21 | kspath | udp is NOT perfect |
| 02:22.21 | nixie | mathias64: or you can go crazy and use iSCSI and use a filesystem that can be physically mounted by several machines. |
| 02:22.30 | nixie | over ipsec/cpn |
| 02:22.31 | Danl | I have a question about an error im getting when i try to intall xorg http://sial.org/pbot/15099 |
| 02:22.32 | nixie | *vpn |
| 02:22.34 | mathias64 | nixie: my work machine is miles away |
| 02:22.50 | xinming | dondelelcaro: could you please go #flood? |
| 02:22.51 | nixie | thats what im saying, iscsi |
| 02:22.55 | dondelelcaro | xinming: already there. |
| 02:23.00 | dondelelcaro | Danl: first upgrdae to sarge, then upgrade to testing. |
| 02:23.09 | kspath | unless there is a private net between point A and point B any number of things can go wrong |
| 02:23.14 | dondelelcaro | well, I was in flood... |
| 02:24.16 | kspath | by private net I mean physically private |
| 02:24.23 | mathias64 | nixie: ah. that's the kinda thing I was looking for. SO is there a way to have my main computer imitate an iscsi drive, and native linux and os x support for mounting it? |
| 02:24.25 | msg43 | Hey |
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| 02:24.33 | msg43 | can someone help me get mysql running under apache? |
| 02:24.39 | dondelelcaro | msg43: just ask your question. |
| 02:24.45 | nixie | mathias64: as i said, if you wanna go crazy, start finding out. |
| 02:24.47 | Danl | ok... well brb while i google how to do that :-) |
| 02:24.57 | msg43 | dondelelcaro, I did |
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| 02:25.15 | msg43 | Well mysql won't work and i disabled it in php.ini and installed the apache2 model for it using apt |
| 02:25.23 | mathias64 | nixie: that's why I run x-windows so I can do two things at once. I asked my original question to find out things like that to look for. I was hoping to find someone who had already set it all up. |
| 02:25.32 | blondie | w |
| 02:25.41 | dondelelcaro | msg43: if you've disabled it in php.ini, there's no way the php4 mysql.so will get loaded. |
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| 02:26.07 | nixie | mathias64: google? iscsi linux filesystem vpn. |
| 02:26.07 | msg43 | dondelelcaro, heh, I meant I enabled it |
| 02:26.23 | dondelelcaro | msg43: are we talking about php4 or 5 here? |
| 02:26.33 | mathias64 | nixie: I am already doing that. |
| 02:26.45 | msg43 | dondelelcaro, php4 the default debain stable stuff |
| 02:27.21 | nixie | mathias64: i have seen iscsi technology and i know its powerful but i havent seen anything opensource; last i checked was 3 years ago so im sure something's there |
| 02:27.29 | dondelelcaro | msg43: and you've installed libapache2-mod-php4 and php4-mysql? |
| 02:27.56 | msg43 | dondelelcaro, woops I didn't install php4-mysql |
| 02:28.23 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.48 | msg43 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 02:30.30 | mathias64 | nixie: here's an unfortunate quote: Also, because it is being handled as a block device only one (1) system can use the iSCSI device at a time! |
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| 02:31.22 | dondelelcaro | welcome to the hell of file locking, population you. |
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| 02:32.14 | nixie | mathias64: GFS |
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| 02:32.38 | nixie | i warned you about the crazy part. the filesystem |
| 02:32.58 | nixie | you need one that supports multi-host access. |
| 02:33.13 | nixie | like 2 servers on 1 (i)scsi bus |
| 02:33.26 | nixie | its SAN technology |
| 02:33.57 | mathias64 | nixie: right. |
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| 02:34.12 | Slant_Laptop | Are there pre-packaged newer kernels for sarge? |
| 02:34.24 | Slant_Laptop | I'm getting an SMP kernel oops that is apparently solved in later kernels. |
| 02:35.03 | mathias64 | Slant_Laptop: you should be able to find one either in etch or in backports |
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| 02:35.13 | xinming | dondelelcaro: any ideas please? |
| 02:35.19 | Zenethian | Anyone have this problem with upgrading CUPS? |
| 02:35.24 | Slant_Laptop | mathias64, etch meaning testing or unstable? (Aren't those kernels currently broken or something?) |
| 02:35.30 | Slant_Laptop | mathias64, backports.org you mean? |
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| 02:35.39 | Zenethian | Illegal port value for CUPS. Please correct this by running 'dpkg-reconfigure cupsys'. |
| 02:35.56 | mathias64 | Slant_Laptop: yeah, but there's a fix in the bug reports. It's just the initrd that gets broken. |
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| 02:37.54 | dondelelcaro | xinming: what application are you using that segfaulted? |
| 02:37.56 | Danl | can someone point me in a direction on how to upgrade to sarge? |
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| 02:38.10 | madradrone | Danl: from what? |
| 02:38.11 | dondelelcaro | !release notes |
| 02:38.11 | dpkg | it has been said that release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
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| 02:38.17 | dondelelcaro | Danl: See above. |
| 02:38.17 | xinming | dondelelcaro: bluefish |
| 02:38.24 | ryanium | how do i disable xmd starting up with a login screen? |
| 02:38.24 | dondelelcaro | xinming: which version of bluefish? |
| 02:38.32 | Danl | i am unsure what version of debian i am running... |
| 02:38.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell ryanium -about nodm |
| 02:38.44 | ryanium | ty |
| 02:39.03 | madradrone | Danl: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:39.17 | xinming | dondelelcaro: and gnome-terminal will also get these things. :-/ But it won't at the begining, the segfault raises when you wish to open a `Edit current profile' |
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| 02:39.41 | xinming | dondelelcaro: 1.0.4 |
| 02:40.22 | ryanium | How can I change my resolutions? |
| 02:41.00 | odla | ryanium: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:41.53 | dondelelcaro | xinming: which version of gnome-terminal? |
| 02:42.05 | ryanium | I guess I should apt-get install xserver-xorg if I don't have it? |
| 02:42.20 | ryanium | I installed an xfree server from aptitude |
| 02:43.01 | odla | ryanium: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:43.04 | xinming | dondelelcaro: 2.10.0 |
| 02:43.14 | ryanium | ty |
| 02:43.14 | ryanium | :P |
| 02:43.24 | odla | i thought you had xorg |
| 02:43.50 | dondelelcaro | xinming: 2.10.0-3? |
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| 02:44.22 | dob1 | hi |
| 02:44.39 | odla | hi |
| 02:44.40 | Lamperi | hi |
| 02:44.59 | xinming | dondelelcaro: 2.10.0-3 |
| 02:45.13 | dob1 | i have to move my system from an hd to a new one, on the old hd i have 3 partitions (/ /boot and /home), how can i do that? |
| 02:45.41 | dondelelcaro | xinming: right, I just tried here, and I can't get the segfault to occur... |
| 02:46.03 | Danl | :: has no clue what he's doing... resides in defeat :: |
| 02:46.55 | xinming | dondelelcaro: hmm, I think It might be a lib issue, I used this, It works very well in my Home pc, But I tried this on laptop |
| 02:47.03 | xinming | not works. :-/ |
| 02:47.30 | dob1 | i think i can use dd but the partitions on the new hd will be not like the same on the old one, and the 2 hd are not equal |
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| 02:48.59 | Danl | is there a way to determine what version I am running? |
| 02:50.07 | mathias64 | Danl cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:51.16 | Danl | just says testing/unstable |
| 02:51.40 | mathias64 | Danl: that's the version. What did you expect? |
| 02:51.48 | BioTech | question: when i use apt-cdrom it is scanning for index files, now how would i create index files if i make my own cd with deb files on it? |
| 02:51.55 | mathias64 | maybe you want the kernel version. run uname -a |
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| 02:51.59 | dondelelcaro | xinming1983: yeah, it's definetly a library problem. |
| 02:52.01 | Slant_Laptop | mathias64, thanks. I'm pulling from backports. Here is hoping for it working. |
| 02:52.09 | Danl | oh... i dunno... like woody or sarge or something :-) im totally new to debian |
| 02:52.09 | dondelelcaro | xinming1983: can you run ldd /usr/bin/gnome-terminal? |
| 02:52.27 | jjazz | Danl, sarge= stable, testing = etch, unstable=sid |
| 02:52.37 | Danl | ah |
| 02:52.46 | xinming1983 | dondelelcaro: hold on please |
| 02:52.55 | mathias64 | Slant_Laptop: my notes say there is a description of how to make the new initrd (you need mkinitramfs instead of mknitrd.yaird) at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343048 |
| 02:53.07 | dondelelcaro | xinming1983: it could also be gnome-control-center... unfortunatly, I'm not all that familiar with exactly how all of that works. |
| 02:53.21 | mathias64 | Slant_Laptop: so if you try to reboot and it says it can't find your root partition, then you should look into that |
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| 02:53.50 | BioTech | can someone help with an apt-cdrom question ? |
| 02:54.01 | mathias64 | Danl: the fact that there are two names for each distribution is convenient for some things and painful for other things. |
| 02:54.38 | msg43 | How can I load the mod_cgi.so module in apache? |
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| 02:55.23 | Firefishe | night all |
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| 02:55.26 | Danl | maybe i should just stick with things i know... was just trying to get x running :-D |
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| 02:56.14 | mathias64 | it seems to me that the intermezzo filesystem is dead. |
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| 02:57.50 | xinming1983 | http://paste.lisp.org/display/14931 |
| 02:57.58 | xinming1983 | dondelelcaro: http://paste.lisp.org/display/14931 |
| 03:01.50 | dondelelcaro | xinming1983: hrm.. that all looks reasonable to me... |
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| 03:03.09 | DonVincenzo | I would like to supress my ntfs partition, what is the best way to do this. I want to have my full HD for linux |
| 03:03.13 | DonVincenzo | ? |
| 03:03.24 | mathias64 | DonVincenzo: fdisk? |
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| 03:03.36 | BioTech | question: when i use apt-cdrom it is scanning for index files, now how would i create index files if i make my own cd with deb files on it? |
| 03:03.37 | xinming1983 | dondelelcaro: That's why I think It is a lib compiling time issue. :-( |
| 03:04.16 | ryanium`` | Anyone ever have the problem when the gui comes up half of the screen is gone? lol |
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| 03:05.02 | Danl | I did once long ago on another distro... it was because my vid card wasn't supported... i don't imagine that being your problem tho |
| 03:05.21 | ryanium`` | Yeah, I know it is, I had this problem the first time I installed debian, but I forgot how I fixed it :| |
| 03:05.31 | ryanium`` | Happens with any resolution I use. :| |
| 03:05.39 | DonVincenzo | mathias64: is it enough just tomodify the partition table ? |
| 03:06.11 | BioTech | question: when i use apt-cdrom it is scanning for index files, now how would i create index files if i make my own cd with deb files on it? if some one can help please come to #biotechsroom |
| 03:06.22 | mathias64 | DonVincenzo: there are two issues. you can just delete the windows partition from the table, which is fine, but it won't give you more space under linux yet. the second issue is using the newly freed space for something useful. |
| 03:06.25 | ryanium`` | Hm |
| 03:06.42 | BioTech | like a large swap |
| 03:06.43 | dondelelcaro | xinming1983: right, but you should be using exactly the same versions of the libs on both machines, assuming you're using Debian. |
| 03:07.07 | dondelelcaro | xinming1983: the only question was whether or not you had some different libraries on one machine that were being linked against that didn't come from Debian. |
| 03:07.14 | BioTech | or use it for running a server |
| 03:07.23 | adrakoa | ryanium`` you can probe with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 03:07.59 | DonVincenzo | so, for example, I can use cfdisk to delete my ntfs partition, and then the same program to resize the ext, and it will be fine ? |
| 03:08.06 | ryanium`` | I don't have xserver-xorg, i have xserver-xfree86, and I have been trying different set-ups with it |
| 03:08.18 | BioTech | use qparted |
| 03:09.04 | xinming1983 | dondelelcaro: I use only testing, the fact might be on CPU, or on Driver for i910 |
| 03:09.17 | BioTech | i know ofr a fact it works i did it a while back when i went all linux |
| 03:09.21 | mathias64 | DonVincenzo: no. The problem is that the ext2 filesystem would have to be resized, too. that is a more delicate issue. just making the partition bigger won't help. The safer thing to do is to make another linux partition in the space that the windows partition was using, and then use the new linux partition for /usr or /home or something |
| 03:10.02 | BioTech | it should work if he resizes it to make it bgger it worked for me |
| 03:10.09 | BioTech | bigger |
| 03:10.31 | mathias64 | BioTech: yeah, but you can't just use cfdisk you have to run something to actually make the filesystem bigger |
| 03:10.41 | DonVincenzo | BioTech: so I can do everything in one qtparted session ? |
| 03:10.42 | BioTech | qparted |
| 03:11.06 | BioTech | yes you delete:write resize and write again |
| 03:11.09 | dondelelcaro | xinming1983: no, that shouldn't be affecting it at all. Anyway, best bet is probably to file a bug against pango (use reportbug) and attach the gdb backtrace, and ideally a core. The severity is probably only normal. |
| 03:11.50 | DonVincenzo | well I have parted, qtparted, but no qparted |
| 03:11.54 | kspath | I tried reading the gfs FAQ 2 lines of BS |
| 03:11.59 | BioTech | but i used a live cd to do that you can resize while your running from it |
| 03:12.04 | DonVincenzo | you mean gparted I think |
| 03:12.05 | madradrone | qtparted |
| 03:12.10 | BioTech | qtparted i mean |
| 03:12.24 | BioTech | sorry |
| 03:12.32 | DonVincenzo | :-) ok I finish the backup and launch the operation |
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| 03:12.49 | BioTech | have fun |
| 03:13.28 | mathias64 | kspath: is that the filesystem gfs? |
| 03:13.33 | BioTech | i dont think you could resize winxp unless you defraged it first or it will mess up ntfs |
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| 03:13.53 | kspath | you would think an faq about something that is supposed to be so great would say how it is different than veritas fs or afs or nfs or others... |
| 03:13.59 | DonVincenzo | BioTech: since I want to supress it... |
| 03:14.00 | kspath | mathias64: yah |
| 03:14.31 | ryanium`` | q: Anyone know why when I load X it cuts half the screen off? |
| 03:14.55 | mathias64 | kspath: it looked to me like a special-purpose thing. |
| 03:15.11 | BioTech | my used to do that, |
| 03:15.26 | kspath | is an opensource project but yeah somewhat |
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| 03:16.06 | ayudaa | alguien habla español |
| 03:16.18 | kspath | no espanel here |
| 03:16.19 | mathias64 | kspath i looked at it earlier tonight during the network filesystem discussion |
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| 03:16.53 | DonVincenzo | So, I suppress the filesystem and the bootloader entries, and it is ok ? |
| 03:16.56 | kspath | no espanol aqui pardon |
| 03:16.57 | jjazz | !es |
| 03:16.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:17.06 | kspath | excusi |
| 03:17.44 | MikeDub | taco! |
| 03:18.03 | ryanium`` | hmm |
| 03:18.06 | kspath | I do not comprehend espanol o italiano |
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| 03:18.43 | Azar | thank you guys so much, again, Woody/Sarge installation completed. Beautiful. Good night |
| 03:18.47 | kspath | aye caramaba |
| 03:18.58 | mathias64 | Azar: glad it worked. good luck |
| 03:19.13 | Azar | too bad that a great reputable tux company could not make good Sarge CDs |
| 03:19.26 | Azar | I was curious to see the new installer.. but eh. |
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| 03:20.11 | kspath | why not use andrew file system |
| 03:20.24 | kspath | I have heard about it for like 10-15 years now |
| 03:20.31 | kspath | never used it though |
| 03:21.06 | mathias64 | kspath: then I have to install kerberos. |
| 03:21.34 | kspath | and? |
| 03:21.40 | kspath | mathias64: http://www.openafs.org/ |
| 03:21.51 | kspath | you do not trust it? |
| 03:21.58 | kspath | I do not myself but... |
| 03:22.08 | kspath | it isnt like plaintext |
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| 03:22.15 | mathias64 | kspath: I do trust it. I just don't want to bother with it. |
| 03:22.49 | kspath | mathias64: are you sure you do not have tight constraints? |
| 03:23.02 | kspath | no nfs no kererbos no ssh ... |
| 03:23.26 | mathias64 | kspath: in the end, I will do something. I want to feel around to see what's available. |
| 03:23.40 | kspath | makes sense I guess |
| 03:23.50 | mathias64 | my current set up works ok, so I am not in a hurry. I would prefer something more elegant. |
| 03:24.16 | kspath | I like ssh and rsync perhaps subversion |
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| 03:24.43 | kspath | not real time but you have multiple copies |
| 03:24.58 | mathias64 | kspath: I use unison right now for my computer at work, and it works very well. the multiple copy issue is the thing, like you pointed out |
| 03:25.00 | kspath | so if a machine dies you have N other copies out there |
| 03:25.09 | mathias64 | free backups |
| 03:25.14 | kspath | the curse is the blessing |
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| 03:25.20 | mathias64 | but not ideal for a large music collection |
| 03:25.29 | kspath | ah |
| 03:25.37 | kspath | I knew there had to be a reason |
| 03:25.52 | kspath | but only the new ones are updating am I right? |
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| 03:26.28 | botsy_ | anybody who have thunderthird workk with authentification by proxy ( with username and password) ?? |
| 03:26.33 | mathias64 | my laptop has a small hard drive. I carefully choose which things get syncronized. yes, unison is like rsync i that it only moves changed data. |
| 03:26.37 | kspath | I have never used unison (kspath show his deep well of ignorance) |
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| 03:27.18 | mathias64 | kspath: it's like rsync. It operates over ssh. it keeps different copies of directory trees in sync. |
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| 03:28.17 | mathias64 | unison doesn't have the idea of master/copy repositories -- it syncs both ways. |
| 03:28.23 | kspath | mathias64: maybe you are looking at the wrong solution maybe only the particular song need get to your small HD machine at a time |
| 03:29.14 | mathias64 | I can handle the music seperately via an http server. I can handle my files seperatly via rsync/ unison. I can handle this seperately, and that separately. but I wish I had a way to do it all the same way |
| 03:29.59 | kspath | mathias: a laptop with a large ext hd would do it large storage but foot print might be small |
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| 03:30.59 | kspath | mathias: an ext firewire and/or usb2.0 HD might be what you need or a CD full of your fav ogg vob or mp3 encoded |
| 03:31.44 | kspath | but I guess that is not necessarily elegant |
| 03:32.26 | kspath | there are a dozen options I can think of but none are perfect |
| 03:32.37 | mathias64 | we agree on that point. |
| 03:32.48 | kspath | just use an iPod? |
| 03:33.15 | mathias64 | it's no different than an external hard drive |
| 03:33.20 | kspath | I do not have one but I am odd I use an old portable CD player |
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| 03:33.58 | kspath | mathias64: it is autonomous in that it does not require a computer to play musik |
| 03:34.19 | kspath | in that it is different |
| 03:34.20 | mathias64 | i need to acces other files, too. the music is just one part of the whole package |
| 03:34.47 | kspath | iPod and HD can bother carry other files as can USB thumb drives |
| 03:34.55 | kspath | both |
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| 03:35.17 | mathias64 | right. so ipods are glorified external hard drives. |
| 03:35.17 | kspath | 1GB USB thumb drives are somewhat cheap now |
| 03:35.44 | kspath | no mathias64 they can play and organize muzik with a computer |
| 03:35.46 | mathias64 | how long is the flash memory good for? thousands of wirtes? |
| 03:35.54 | kspath | without |
| 03:36.02 | mathias64 | on a thumb drive. i trust a HD much more. |
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| 03:37.26 | kspath | mathias64: It would appear you need to start working on a FS and better hardware. I understand you are trying to feel out the community for options but almost all options supplied are not what you want |
| 03:37.59 | kspath | mathias64: you appear to be quite intelligent and therefore you might consider developing a solution. |
| 03:38.23 | mathias64 | kspath: you have come to the same opinion I have, that there isn't a perfect option already. I have thought about writing something, but it would take a lot of time. |
| 03:38.34 | kspath | mathias64: I really and truly think you have some ideas that would allow you to develop something that is needed |
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| 03:39.38 | kspath | mathias64: there are a lot of limits you will run into 1) current state of linux and posix and MaxOSX and their tools and many other things |
| 03:39.44 | dk0rr | Can anyone help me remove debianppc from my powerbook? (#debianppc is dead) |
| 03:39.58 | mathias64 | don't remind me that I have no idea how to write a mac os x filesystem driver |
| 03:40.22 | mathias64 | at least I think i can learn how to write a driver for linux, and there is a uderland fs module that should be helpful |
| 03:40.27 | kspath | dk0rr: have you tried wipiing out the partitions and just using apple install disks to do the rest? |
| 03:40.40 | dk0rr | Well thats my problem |
| 03:40.53 | dk0rr | kspath: I dont know how to wip out the partitions |
| 03:40.58 | dk0rr | wipe* |
| 03:41.08 | kspath | mathias64: but many of those things have the failings you are trying to eliminate |
| 03:41.22 | vyrus001 | is the new x.org avalible for deb yet ? |
| 03:41.42 | dondelelcaro | vyrus001: which one? |
| 03:41.51 | dli | vyrus001, 7.0 ? |
| 03:42.01 | kspath | dk0rr: use the debian installer disk when it comes to disk druid / partitioning delete the partitions and save/write that to disk then boot up with apple install disks |
| 03:42.17 | DonVincenzo | I want to copy my /home/Desktop but using cp,it tells me that he cannot create some symbolic links, even if I say --no-defernce |
| 03:42.24 | DonVincenzo | --no-deference |
| 03:42.34 | dk0rr | kspath: can you point me to the debian installer? (I have no clue which version to get) |
| 03:42.50 | mathias64 | kspath: yeah, i have to sit down and make a list of goals for what I would like, |
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| 03:43.26 | vyrus001 | dli: yea |
| 03:43.26 | vyrus001 | dondelelcaro: r7.0 |
| 03:43.34 | kspath | dk0rr: I would not know. any that would boot your ppc like the netinstall for ppc including iBook shoudl work |
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| 03:43.44 | dondelelcaro | vyrus001: the XSF is working on it; it will be released sometime after 6.9 goes in. |
| 03:43.53 | kspath | dk0rr: I assumed you were the one that installed it in the first place |
| 03:44.02 | MikeDub | silly question, but is changing from stable to testing as easy as editing sources.list to make every instance of "stable" to read "testing" |
| 03:44.06 | dondelelcaro | vyrus001: if you want it in faster, jump in and help out. |
| 03:44.07 | DonVincenzo | I have: cp: cannot create symbolic link `./Desktop/Windows': Operation not permitted |
| 03:44.22 | dk0rr | kspath: yes but it was ages ago, when I remembered- heh. Thanks anyways |
| 03:44.24 | kspath | dk0rr: www.debian.org download then look for PPC |
| 03:44.32 | dk0rr | kspath: k thanks. |
| 03:44.43 | dk0rr | kspath: do you mind if i bug you for command when cd loads? |
| 03:45.14 | kspath | dk0rr: I use debian on my ppc iBook all the time sad to see you leave us maybe you will change to dual boot sometime |
| 03:45.35 | dk0rr | I do.. |
| 03:45.38 | dk0rr | I have yaboot |
| 03:45.39 | kspath | dk0rr: you can try not sure I will know though it is basically the same on all the installers |
| 03:45.41 | dk0rr | but I never use linux |
| 03:45.49 | dk0rr | so I want the extra space from the debian partition |
| 03:45.54 | kspath | dk0rr: shame on u |
| 03:46.02 | dk0rr | Eh.. to much work |
| 03:46.02 | kspath | dk0rr: :-) |
| 03:46.03 | MikeDub | anyone? |
| 03:46.06 | dk0rr | you have to do everything |
| 03:46.09 | dondelelcaro | dk0rr: so use the OSX partitioner. |
| 03:46.19 | dondelelcaro | dk0rr: it can repartition that space quite trivially. |
| 03:46.29 | kspath | dk0rr: there you go |
| 03:46.30 | dk0rr | dondelelcaro: the osx partitioner doesnt seen the debian partition |
| 03:46.31 | kspath | all set |
| 03:46.38 | kspath | icky |
| 03:46.42 | mathias64 | MikeDub: yes. after you change sources.list you should run aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 03:46.45 | kspath | fdisk? |
| 03:46.47 | dondelelcaro | dk0rr: sure it will; it'll see it as space that has some funky partition on it. |
| 03:46.59 | kspath | delete funky? |
| 03:47.06 | dk0rr | dondelelcaro: i believe I have tried once before.. I will try again and see. Second- |
| 03:47.13 | dondelelcaro | dk0rr: since Debian just uses the standard macintosh partition... |
| 03:47.13 | kspath | grow MacOSX? |
| 03:47.28 | MikeDub | should deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main read "... testing/updates main"? |
| 03:47.42 | dondelelcaro | (it just puts a real filesystem on it instead of hfsplus or whatever...) |
| 03:47.55 | MikeDub | mathias64: thanks for the help the other day, btw.. couldn't get it sorted though, so i'm starting from scratch |
| 03:47.59 | dondelelcaro | MikeDub: no... /msg dpkg testing security |
| 03:48.53 | dk0rr | dondelelcaro: I tried those methods you gave me in #debianppc, reset pram a number of ways.. yaboot stil prompting |
| 03:48.57 | mathias64 | MikeDub: yes, you can change the security.debian.org line to testing instead of stable. |
| 03:49.11 | mathias64 | dondelcarlo: there is http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/ |
| 03:50.22 | ryanium | Question: Has anyone experienced the problem where their gui cuts off half the screen in any resolution? |
| 03:50.39 | dondelelcaro | mathias64: it exists, but there are only three packages in it. The url that apt has is the one to use. |
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| 03:51.44 | mathias64 | dondelelcaro: fair enough. I just made sure the directory was there |
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| 03:53.01 | vyrus001 | dondelelcaro: lol im quite sure i dont know enough to help with that |
| 03:54.13 | mathias64 | good evening everyone. thanks for the filesystem ideas. i'm off to dream about them... |
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| 03:55.18 | vyrus001 | dondelelcaro: does it take more than just getting it to run? cus im sure i could get it to do that |
| 03:56.41 | dondelelcaro | vyrus001: yes, it does. packaging it so that it upgrades smoothly and works on all of our supported architectures is moderately complicated; in any case, see debian-x@lists.debian.org if you're interested. |
| 03:57.51 | vyrus001 | dondelelcaro: "see" as in sign up ? |
| 03:58.08 | MikeDub | Get:63 ftp://mirror.direct.ca testing/main kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 2.4.27-12 [11.1MB] |
| 03:58.14 | MikeDub | that doesn't look quite right for some reason |
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| 03:59.25 | dondelelcaro | that's one of the kernel images that is in testing... |
| 04:00.15 | vyrus001 | dondelelcaro: or do i jus send an email to that address |
| 04:00.40 | dondelelcaro | vyrus001: it's a mailing list. Visit http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/ |
| 04:00.45 | vyrus001 | ic |
| 04:01.14 | vyrus001 | ok well i guess once i get it to work i could atempt some pitiful grasp of help |
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| 04:02.06 | dondelelcaro | the 7.0 packages from svn there are supposedly working, but we're not relaly in a position to support them here. |
| 04:03.04 | raden | i cannot connect to my box ssh sshd is running what am i missing ? is there something i have to configure to allow connects on that port ?> |
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| 04:03.46 | botsy_ | anybody who have thunderthird workk with authentification by proxy ( with username and password) ?? i don't find any extension or other ... please help me ...... |
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| 04:04.26 | ryanium | Question: Has anyone experienced the problem where their gui cuts off half the screen in any resolution? |
| 04:04.54 | dondelelcaro | ryanium: you mean that the screen is larger than the resolution that you've picked? |
| 04:05.02 | dondelelcaro | (and so it scrolls around?) |
| 04:05.04 | ryanium | Nope, smaller, |
| 04:05.13 | ryanium | Like its cut off and seems to start over |
| 04:05.41 | ryanium | Start over as in duplicate the same half of the screen |
| 04:06.15 | LinuxNIT-laptop | anyone know if the HP ipaq (pda) is compatable with debian? |
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| 04:07.58 | shadow98 | has anyone worked with pureftpd and putting users in mysql |
| 04:08.22 | shadow98 | i put user in mysql and then connect to ftp server...but it doesn't execpt my password |
| 04:08.38 | amd_goon | raden: What shows up on the target box in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 04:09.02 | raden | amd_goon, hold on i think i have a internal firewall issue |
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| 04:09.17 | amd_goon | raden: ok |
| 04:09.45 | Nemoi | Is there a virtual package for development? One that'll ensure installation of all headers, include files, etc. necessary to compile non-debian source packages? |
| 04:09.52 | raden | amd_goon, got it bro thanks for the support though |
| 04:10.17 | amd_goon | raden: easiest problem I've solved yet! |
| 04:10.21 | raden | LOL |
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| 04:10.28 | raden | amd_goon, i knew it was somethign stupid |
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| 04:10.53 | amd_goon | raden: was it tcpwrapper? |
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| 04:11.30 | hillabuloo | Hey where can i put a line that i want executed on startup? |
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| 04:11.52 | raden | amd_goon, iptables |
| 04:12.02 | Nurbs_ | hillabuloo: what do you want to run at what point exactly? |
| 04:12.15 | shadow98 | anybody on that might be able to help me with pureftpd |
| 04:12.21 | raden | amd_goon, security settings are a lil overnboard |
| 04:12.57 | amd_goon | raden: ah, well glad you found it, I'm useless on iptables. Know a little about pf thought |
| 04:13.13 | raden | pf ? |
| 04:13.38 | hillabuloo | i want to delete some files |
| 04:13.45 | amd_goon | raden: packet filter for OpenBSD, et al. |
| 04:14.02 | raden | AHHH :) |
| 04:14.08 | raden | amd_goon, never played with that bro |
| 04:14.09 | Nurbs_ | hillabuloo: per-user, system files or what? :) |
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| 04:14.49 | hillabuloo | i need to delete some pid files before cron starts up ideally |
| 04:15.02 | BioTech | im haveing to do apt-get install -f to fix packages and the curent eta to be finished is in 3 day 14 hours and 22 min...i hate dial up |
| 04:15.12 | BioTech | im useing a contaxent modem and getting only 14 kbs ill get the full 56k if i hade the serial number or crack..can some one help me :) |
| 04:15.13 | BioTech | i did a search for it in google but few results |
| 04:15.27 | shadow98 | the /var/log/messgages shows Dec 23 08:51:36 localhost pure-ftpd: (?@10.30.10.20) [WARNING] Authentication failed for user [briant97] |
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| 04:19.20 | DonVincenzo | can somebody guide me with grub, I would like to suppress the entry for my ntfs partition ? |
| 04:19.21 | FourierSeries | <blink> |
| 04:19.36 | FourierSeries | whut i miss? |
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| 04:21.03 | prjktdtnt | How do you use any temp sensors with an AMD Athlon 64 3200+? |
| 04:22.00 | ViViD | does debian stable have an available version of top? |
| 04:22.28 | FourierSeries | "/usr/bin/top" ?? |
| 04:22.47 | ViViD | well yeah, if it was in the stable repos |
| 04:22.50 | prjktdtnt | i thought you just type in TOP in a command console? |
| 04:22.55 | prjktdtnt | (thats what I did) |
| 04:23.18 | ViViD | oh, i thought i had to apt-get it |
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| 04:23.33 | mae | how can i list processes in order of memory consumption with 'ps' ? |
| 04:23.42 | Snake-Eyes | i think its part of the normal base install of debian stable (sarge) |
| 04:23.55 | prjktdtnt | agrees with Snake-Eyes |
| 04:24.15 | prjktdtnt | just go to a console (text base) and type in TOP...if it runs it is installed |
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| 04:24.45 | mae | prjktdtnt: yes but how do i tell top to put memory hungry apps at top |
| 04:25.01 | prjktdtnt | mae: that I do not know...try the man page? |
| 04:25.12 | ViViD | i got another question though, top shows my system memory is almost 100% consumed, yet top shows processes in consuming only about 3% of it... |
| 04:26.06 | dli | ViViD, free -m |
| 04:26.24 | Snake-Eyes | ViViD, thats normal, its just the kernel (i think or some other part of the OS) that takes control of RAM thus shows its all consumed |
| 04:26.39 | botsy_ | anybody who have thunderthird workk with authentification by proxy ( with username and password) ?? i don't find any extension or other ... please help me ...... |
| 04:27.17 | ViViD | yea its wierd becuase usually when the memory is out, it goes into swap, but my swap is 0% |
| 04:27.30 | Snake-Eyes | ViViD, that RAM isnt being used thou, not to worry |
| 04:27.37 | DonVincenzo | to suppress my grub entry for my windows partition, is it enough to edit : /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 04:27.39 | raden | how do i ls without seeing all the .kde type files ? |
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| 04:27.51 | dli | ViViD, as far as swap is empty, you don't care |
| 04:28.10 | Snake-Eyes | DonVincenzo, yes, if grub is the first bootloader to load |
| 04:28.22 | ViViD | so basically the % used by processes is the amout actually being used |
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| 04:28.36 | FourierSeries | "ls | grep -v .kde" |
| 04:28.51 | Snake-Eyes | ViViD, yes |
| 04:28.58 | DonVincenzo | Snake-Eyes: it is, I just wondered if for such an op it was necessary to enter into the grub shell |
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| 04:29.13 | blanky | is there a way to install sid with network install cd? |
| 04:29.21 | amd_goon | ViViD: There is some kernel parameter that allows you to tune how fast code gets dumped out of RAM |
| 04:29.41 | ViViD | also, apt gives me like 20 different httpd packages to choose from, which one is the better performing? |
| 04:29.54 | amd_goon | ViViD: Not that I've ever used it |
| 04:30.40 | ViViD | i would probably choose apache, but i dunno, theres a lot of different options |
| 04:31.09 | Snake-Eyes | DonVincenzo, op? just edit out the ref to your windows install in menu.lst. or are you trying to do something else |
| 04:31.23 | Snake-Eyes | apache is cool/good |
| 04:31.32 | DonVincenzo | Snake-Eyes: ok |
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| 04:32.04 | LinuxNIT-laptop | what switches do you use with tar to extract a .tar.bz2 file? |
| 04:32.07 | ice_1963 | jest install testing and use vi change your source list and install sid :0) |
| 04:32.15 | d03boy | chappelletheory.com |
| 04:32.17 | Snake-Eyes | blanky, off the top of my head, i would install sarge then upgraded to etch or set the apt source.list for network install to etch |
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| 04:32.35 | blanky | Snake-Eyes, okay, thanks |
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| 04:32.54 | Snake-Eyes | *sid |
| 04:33.13 | raden | talk; error on read from talk dameon ? |
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| 04:33.55 | Snake-Eyes | LinuxNIT-laptop, could try tar -xvvfz , not sure if it will work for bz2 |
| 04:34.46 | botsy_ | the extension for thunderbird and firefox are write in pythoon, C ... ? do you know ? |
| 04:35.01 | prjktdtnt | How do you use any temp sensors with an AMD Athlon 64 3200+? |
| 04:35.08 | bambam18252 | hey, I'm tryin' a network install of Debian, can I install this as a server? |
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| 04:35.33 | Hydroxide | bambam18252: Debian can definitely be installed as a server |
| 04:35.57 | bambam18252 | any thoughts on what packages to install |
| 04:36.12 | prjktdtnt | bambam18252: what type of server? I run two at my house :D |
| 04:36.17 | Snake-Eyes | bambam18252, when you install you should get a selection of a grp of packages to install or select your own |
| 04:36.31 | ice_1963 | i like useing 3ddesktop |
| 04:36.54 | DonVincenzo | I have a primary partition with free space, another primary partition with ext, how can I resize the sacond to take all the space available ? |
| 04:37.13 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ty Snake-Eyes ill try it |
| 04:37.22 | Snake-Eyes | botsy_, no auth window comes up when you connect? |
| 04:37.38 | botsy_ | Snake-Eyes, no |
| 04:37.38 | bambam18252 | i'd like to eventually host my own web server, allow vpn, or possibly some type of game server for my son, any suggestions |
| 04:38.05 | botsy_ | you have a auth window when u wnat to connect you ? |
| 04:38.17 | prjktdtnt | webserver that only needs HTTP check out lighttpd |
| 04:38.20 | LinuxNIT-laptop | nope it didnt work |
| 04:38.27 | botsy_ | Snake-Eyes, i have a auth windows in firefox but not in thunderbird... |
| 04:38.31 | prjktdtnt | if you need PHP, mysql, etc then apach2 is gonna be a better bet |
| 04:38.37 | prjktdtnt | apache2 even |
| 04:38.45 | fbi | LinuxNIT-laptop: bunzip2 foo.tar.bz2 |
| 04:38.49 | LinuxNIT-laptop | guess ill use bzip first (just that is a lot of files :/ ) |
| 04:39.03 | Snake-Eyes | DonVincenzo, you perfom magic :P either you install some program like partition magic or use LVM, but LVM requires that you setup when you did your partitions in the first place |
| 04:40.17 | DonVincenzo | Snake-Eyes: I have a CD with System Rescue, perhaps I can do this with this live CD ? |
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| 04:40.34 | DonVincenzo | so I wont be manipulating partition my system is using |
| 04:40.47 | Snake-Eyes | botsy_, strange, have you put the proxy setting into adv tab -> connections |
| 04:40.55 | botsy_ | yes |
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| 04:41.30 | bambam18252 | prj...you sound like you know what your doing when it comes to linux, i'm just a rookie |
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| 04:42.10 | prjktdtnt | bambam18252 not everything but I play around with it a lot |
| 04:42.28 | Snake-Eyes | DonVincenzo, what are using to change the partition? System Rescue disk? |
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| 04:43.03 | DonVincenzo | non, I freed the space with cfdisk, with my normal distribution |
| 04:43.15 | DonVincenzo | since I freed an unmounted windows partition |
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| 04:44.06 | bambam18252 | prj...I have FC4, W2K, Suse9 ES and RHEL servers set up, the only thing I'm pretty decent at is W2k serv |
| 04:44.08 | Snake-Eyes | DonVincenzo, ah so you're starting fresh |
| 04:44.46 | DonVincenzo | what do you mean by starting fresh ? |
| 04:44.52 | DonVincenzo | I am not anglophone |
| 04:45.11 | prjktdtnt | bambam18252 i use debian for all my servers because of its .deb apt program :D |
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| 04:45.32 | bambam18252 | is that apt get to get updates |
| 04:45.54 | DonVincenzo | bambam18252: apt-get |
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| 04:46.13 | raden | is there another program to talk from console besides talk ? |
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| 04:46.49 | bambam18252 | I'd like to set something up for a lab to at least use w2k, fc4 and debian servers....but I don't really know what to setup....what would be cool |
| 04:47.16 | dpower | hey folks, can anyone reccomend a bandwidth monitor/limiter program? ive looked around and havent found much |
| 04:47.30 | fbi | dpower: trickle |
| 04:47.37 | prjktdtnt | bambam18252: samba servers come in REALLY handy ;) |
| 04:47.45 | dpower | ok is that a text based prog? |
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| 04:47.52 | prjktdtnt | (if you have windows clients in your LAN) |
| 04:47.55 | bambam18252 | prj..that's just so linux can comunicate with windows right? |
| 04:48.00 | prjktdtnt | yup |
| 04:48.18 | prjktdtnt | soon I am gonna set up a dedicated SMB server in my LAN |
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| 04:48.39 | bambam18252 | prj....what will that enable you to do |
| 04:48.54 | mmiikkee12 | what iso would i grab to do an unstable net install? |
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| 04:49.07 | prjktdtnt | bambam: backup all the winblows computers around the house and share media with all the home PCs |
| 04:49.42 | raden | can someone help me with "talk" error on read from talk daemon; connection refussed |
| 04:49.44 | bambam18252 | that sounds pretty cool |
| 04:49.47 | prjktdtnt | I would also like to create an RSYNC based server (with rotating images) to backup all the linux based PCs around the house |
| 04:49.55 | prjktdtnt | DAILY :D |
| 04:50.38 | fbi | dpower: it's not a graphical interface. apt-get install trickle && man trickle |
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| 04:51.34 | bambam18252 | prj....do you know of any game source code that's pretty kewl..that I can try to setup a gaming server |
| 04:51.57 | metaperl | bambam18252: xfrish |
| 04:52.02 | metaperl | bambam18252: xfrisk |
| 04:52.21 | metaperl | what was that channel? shellnode |
| 04:52.30 | prjktdtnt | bam: not into gaming so unfortuneately I cannot tell you how to gaming server. Would like to do one for Starcraft BroodWars :D |
| 04:52.30 | metaperl | shell - something is where they host games |
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| 04:52.56 | prjktdtnt | will brb |
| 04:53.06 | metaperl | bambam18252: join #shellshark |
| 04:54.04 | prjktdtnt | back |
| 04:54.40 | bambam18252 | meta.... what is shellshark channel |
| 04:54.40 | dpower | fbi: great, i wouldnt be able to run it w/ a gui |
| 04:55.33 | prjktdtnt | bam: ShellShark Networks :: Superior Linux and UNIX Consulting |
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| 04:56.00 | bambam18252 | thanks prj |
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| 05:02.50 | ViViD | is there any type of tool to configure smb servers with? |
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| 05:03.51 | amphi | ViViD: swat |
| 05:06.18 | tictac | vim |
| 05:08.28 | ViViD | when i run swat, nothing happens, just seems to hang, but it doesnt |
| 05:08.52 | ViViD | time to read the manual |
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| 05:25.35 | kingsley | What's the best OCR package? |
| 05:25.41 | dscener | OCR? |
| 05:25.55 | g3brown | Setting up a Sarge fileserver for DHCP. Just searched and I see udhcpd and dhcpcd and I missing any others and is one considered better? |
| 05:26.07 | kingsley | OCR is a three letter acronym for "Optical Character Recognition". |
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| 05:26.56 | dli | g3brown, dhcp3-server |
| 05:27.58 | dli | g3brown, file server for dhcp? maybe, you mean dhcp3-client :( |
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| 05:28.30 | g3brown | dli: I should have been clearer. I want to setup a DHCP on the file server. ie it will be a file server and a dhcp server. |
| 05:29.08 | dli | g3brown, your english is still too tough for me |
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| 05:29.41 | g3brown | dli: apt-cache search dhcp3 and I get 'dhcp3-dev and dhcp3-relay. No server. |
| 05:29.44 | amphi | g3brown: you want dhcpd on the server, sounds like |
| 05:29.52 | g3brown | amphi: yeah. |
| 05:30.30 | ryanium | Question: Has anyone experienced the problem where their gui cuts off half the screen in any resolution? |
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| 05:32.21 | amphi | g3brown: so install dhcp, and configure the daemon |
| 05:32.26 | dli | ryanium, sounds like a video driver problem |
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| 05:32.40 | ryanium | dli: possibly I have tried almost all the drivers so far lol |
| 05:32.50 | g3brown | amphi: which one. dli recommended dhcp3-server and I dont' see that one. |
| 05:32.56 | dli | ryanium, vesa ? |
| 05:33.01 | ryanium | ati |
| 05:33.20 | ryanium | i will try |
| 05:33.22 | dli | ryanium, ati is a terrorist |
| 05:33.27 | ryanium | :(! |
| 05:33.30 | ke6isf | !ati |
| 05:33.31 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 05:33.45 | DaveLib | hello this is my 1st time to this channel |
| 05:33.52 | ryanium | wow |
| 05:33.55 | ryanium | vesa driver worked |
| 05:33.56 | ryanium | lol |
| 05:34.00 | ryanium | thanks lol |
| 05:34.05 | DonVincenzo | How can I resize a ext3 partition ? |
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| 05:34.17 | dli | ryanium, is it a cutting edge card? |
| 05:34.26 | DaveLib | i am running debian sarge that i downloaded my 1st debian about 2 weeks ago |
| 05:34.28 | ryanium | no no no |
| 05:34.29 | ryanium | lol |
| 05:34.32 | ryanium | rather old laptop |
| 05:34.46 | dli | DonVincenzo, parted is said to do resize, however, backup! |
| 05:35.16 | DonVincenzo | dli: I tried, but it told me I cannot |
| 05:35.21 | dli | ryanium, did you follow that debian wiki link? |
| 05:35.31 | DonVincenzo | I tried with system Rescue, so that my partition would be unmounted |
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| 05:35.46 | ryanium | the vesa driver worked but i will read the Ati guide |
| 05:35.57 | g3brown | Looking for this dhcp3-server, I'm wondering if I have screwed up my apt-get. If I edit the sources.list file, I just need to apt-get update to refresh or is there something else? |
| 05:36.08 | dli | ryanium, you should have read :( |
| 05:36.30 | dli | DonVincenzo, best choice, backup, and make a new partition |
| 05:36.33 | ryanium | i will but now i must run, i was just tossing that up before i had to leave |
| 05:36.38 | ryanium | thank you ill be back later |
| 05:37.02 | dli | g3brown, better, apt-setup |
| 05:37.22 | DaveLib | i have been running the stable distro with no problems using synaptic to install |
| 05:37.33 | amphi | g3brown: dhcp3-server is listed here (sarge); otherwise the dhcp package should do you |
| 05:37.43 | dli | DaveLib, synaptic or aptitude |
| 05:38.02 | DonVincenzo | dli: it seems so, because with parted you nab not change the begining of a ext3 partition |
| 05:38.21 | DaveLib | yes i like synaptic i did use aptitude to get started did a 100 meg netinstall |
| 05:38.30 | dli | DonVincenzo, then, you change the partition before it |
| 05:38.57 | DaveLib | anyway i wanted to add celestia to my installation a plaentarium style program try it its great |
| 05:39.16 | DaveLib | but it is in the testing distro |
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| 05:39.22 | coywolf | how to run some scripts automatically during gnome startup? |
| 05:39.47 | DaveLib | i tried installing celestia from testing with synaptic |
| 05:40.26 | DonVincenzo | dli: and if I do a backup, I will lose all the symlink in my system, because my usb disk is FAT |
| 05:40.38 | DaveLib | it gave me a list of 10 or 20 other packages graphics libs etc that would also be upgraded to support celestia |
| 05:40.52 | dli | DonVincenzo, I use jfs on my usb hdd |
| 05:40.58 | DaveLib | so i chickened out and hit cancel :-) |
| 05:41.32 | dli | DaveLib, I don't know how to use celestia, kstars seems to be easy |
| 05:41.36 | DonVincenzo | dli: is it something you can use with windows ? |
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| 05:41.53 | dli | DonVincenzo, don't think so, but I don't have windows here |
| 05:42.03 | DaveLib | but is everything ok the library files have version # 's ? and synatpic will make sure the library upgrades dont break any other packages |
| 05:42.20 | DonVincenzo | I had problem recently when I tried to format a usb key with a windows and an ext3 partition |
| 05:42.30 | DaveLib | dli: yes, but celestia is nicer than kstars |
| 05:42.32 | dli | DaveLib, apt handles dependencies gracefully |
| 05:42.38 | DonVincenzo | to be honest I gave up and let this crap FAT only |
| 05:42.40 | DaveLib | ok great |
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| 05:42.58 | dli | DaveLib, I think I have removed celestia :( |
| 05:43.21 | DaveLib | so if i upgrade a library to a new version the old versions are still there for other packages that want the old versions |
| 05:43.35 | g3brown | amphi: should dhcp3-server be on one of the 2 dvd sarge is on? |
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| 05:43.47 | dli | DonVincenzo, also, I use only one big partition on my box :) whoever need to resize? |
| 05:44.03 | DaveLib | dli: hmmm i got celestia to show up in synaptic about 2 nights ago |
| 05:44.08 | dli | g3brown, try apt-setup :( |
| 05:44.28 | dli | DaveLib, I am on gentoo indeed :( |
| 05:44.44 | DaveLib | i havent tried since checking for celestia i was waiting to decide if it was safe to add |
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| 05:44.50 | DonVincenzo | dli: I just dropped windows,so I would like one big partition too ! |
| 05:44.55 | dli | DaveLib, gentoo handles dependencies even better |
| 05:44.56 | DaveLib | dli: ahh you are running gentoo ? |
| 05:45.19 | g3brown | dli: I did, rescanning dvds now. I had copied both the the hard drive and referernced them. I'm thinking now I should have copied each dvd to a different dir instead of dumping them on top of each other in the same dir. |
| 05:45.24 | dli | DonVincenzo, good, I don't see any point for me to run windows for me :) |
| 05:45.25 | DaveLib | i wondered about gentoo and linux-from-scratch |
| 05:45.53 | dli | g3brown, I don't think I understand you :( |
| 05:45.54 | dscener | Does anyone know of a binary newsgroup reader that's really smart? The newsgroup I'm trying to connect to has so many articles it makes all of them freezes while sorting. |
| 05:46.05 | DaveLib | before debian i had suse then earlier redhat then slack then sls |
| 05:46.08 | DonVincenzo | dli: the same for me. I was at first very affraid by Linux, but now I prefer it. |
| 05:46.11 | dscener | Even nget :( |
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| 05:46.52 | dli | DaveLib, redhat was the nightmare forever, I suspect Microsoft funded redhat |
| 05:46.58 | g3brown | dli: I copied the two Sarge DVDs to the hard drive. |
| 05:47.10 | TwistedEmotions | Question guys... for /etc/network/interfaces... if I want to use eth0 with dhcp what do I do... I've been using static now trying to go back to dhcp and dont remember |
| 05:47.11 | DaveLib | ahh ya rpm hell? |
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| 05:47.43 | dscener | TistedEmotions: I can't remember, but I think there were some kick-ass exaples in the man page. |
| 05:47.45 | g3brown | dli: Then I pointed sources.list to the dir. It worked, but I'm wondering now if I overwrote one of the disc. |
| 05:47.50 | TwistedEmotions | iface eth0 inet dhcp? |
| 05:48.06 | TwistedEmotions | yeah realized that after I asked ;) |
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| 05:48.22 | dli | TwistedEmotions, and "auto eth0" |
| 05:49.19 | DonVincenzo | dli: you always discover something :-) right now I just found apt-get build-dep :-) |
| 05:49.43 | fooz | the new blender release looks uber |
| 05:49.53 | boinkder | Hello, I compiled the 2.6.14.4 kernel multiple times and no matter how I do it, I can't seem to get the sound to work automatically when I start up. I have modprobe'd the sound modules into the /etc/modules file, created a file in the rc5.d and rc3.d folders to autorun the alsaconf and it didn't work, so I compiled all the sound into the kernel instead of modules and it still won't work without running alsaconf. Can anyone give m |
| 05:49.53 | boinkder | e any hints on what to try next? |
| 05:50.13 | fooz | i should make some quake models or something.. |
| 05:50.23 | dli | DonVincenzo, that's nothing compared how gentoo handles dep |
| 05:51.04 | dli | boinkder, can you built-in the driver? |
| 05:51.05 | bucky | gentoo sucks |
| 05:51.20 | dli | boinkder, since you have troubles, why not just build it in |
| 05:51.25 | boinkder | dli: what do you mean? I put them into the kernel rather than modules |
| 05:51.38 | DonVincenzo | dli: ok I guess it is nothing. I would love to use Gentoo, but I am not an IT engineer, and I fear the configuration for my peripherics |
| 05:51.44 | dli | boinkder, choose Y instead of M :) |
| 05:51.47 | DonVincenzo | right now I am using ubuntu... |
| 05:51.54 | boinkder | dli: I did do that this time. |
| 05:52.07 | dli | DonVincenzo, indeed, with your debian experience, you would love gentoo |
| 05:52.29 | DonVincenzo | dli: it is ubuntu right now... I am a newbie |
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| 05:52.36 | dli | DonVincenzo, ubuntu is good, I just don't like the way it handles root |
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| 05:52.45 | deadcat | Grant_: QQQ |
| 05:53.01 | boinkder | dli: I used M previously because I couldn't find the dependancy that was set that made me choose M, this time I got it fixed and the drivers are all built in with Y now instead. |
| 05:53.07 | jjazz | dli, you can change the way it handles root |
| 05:53.10 | dli | DonVincenzo, indeed, I recommend ubuntu for my friends still tortured by windows spywares |
| 05:53.13 | bucky | DonVincenzo, /join #ubuntu |
| 05:53.23 | bucky | dli, /join #gentoo |
| 05:53.26 | dli | jjazz, I know :( but ubuntu is for n00bs |
| 05:53.43 | DonVincenzo | bucky: join... |
| 05:53.44 | bucky | and #debian is for debian |
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| 05:54.09 | dli | boinkder, yes, make it Y :) |
| 05:54.14 | dli | boinkder, it will work :) |
| 05:54.15 | DaveLib | thanks for your answers dli i will go try install celestia now |
| 05:54.22 | boinkder | dli: I already did make it Y.... I just did it. |
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| 05:54.46 | boinkder | dli: It still isn't working unless I run alsaconf when I login |
| 05:54.47 | dli | boinkder, since it's Y, you have to compile, dpkg -i, and reboot |
| 05:55.06 | boinkder | dli: I did compile it, and rebooted. |
| 05:55.13 | bucky | boinkder, blacklist the oss drivers like i810_audio and ac97_codec |
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| 05:55.20 | dli | boinkder, you run alsaconf only once :( indeed, when it's built-in, why run alsaconf at all? |
| 05:55.23 | boinkder | dli: I edited the grub loader file in orfer to get it. |
| 05:55.41 | m0rbid | is the yaird/kernels problem on all flavors of Debian? or just unstable? |
| 05:55.49 | bucky | dli, how would you do it in gentoo? |
| 05:55.52 | dli | boinkder, you are using the correct driver? do, dmesg|less |
| 05:56.03 | boinkder | dli: I had it that way in an earlier version and it wouldn't work, someone told me I needed the old oss drivers for sound to work in mos applications |
| 05:56.03 | dli | boinkder, search for ALSA |
| 05:56.10 | dli | bucky, /join #gentoo |
| 05:56.21 | bucky | dli, you're the one running gentoo.. not me |
| 05:56.24 | DonVincenzo | dli: I mounted my second ext3 partition with fstab, but I wanted to be the owner of the location where it is mounted. Right now, it is root the owner |
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| 05:56.53 | dli | DonVincenzo, add options uid= :) |
| 05:56.58 | bucky | DonVincenzo, /join #ubuntu |
| 05:57.26 | dli | DonVincenzo, mount -ouid=1000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/floppy, for example |
| 05:57.31 | bucky | <DonVincenzo> dli: it is ubuntu right now... I am a newbie |
| 05:57.36 | boinkder | dli: ALSA Driver Vrsion 1.0.10rc1, ALSA device list: no soundcards found. |
| 05:57.44 | dli | DonVincenzo, you can put the options in your /etc/fstab |
| 05:57.59 | dli | boinkder, that's why :) |
| 05:58.02 | DonVincenzo | bucky, I guess it is the same way to deal with this problem with debian and ubuntu, so stop it |
| 05:58.17 | dli | boinkder, you are building the wrong driver :) do yourself a favor, lspci |
| 05:58.22 | bucky | DonVincenzo, so why can't #ubuntu answer your question? |
| 05:58.23 | boinkder | dli: Ok, thank you, I will go do this again. Thanks a bunch |
| 05:59.11 | dli | boinkder, just double check, should be easy to solute |
| 05:59.27 | boinkder | dli: It is an SiS sound Controller, which I built the driver in in the kernel (atleast in the last 10 or so times) I will double check this time |
| 05:59.51 | boinkder | dli: Thank you again for your time and replies, I appreciate it |
| 06:02.08 | boinkder | dli: Oh, I believe the drivers were built as modules this time around. That could be the problem I suppose |
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| 06:05.36 | dli | boinkder, do you have udev? |
| 06:05.49 | boinkder | dli: I don't believe so, but I am not sure what that is |
| 06:06.11 | dondelelcaro | oh no she didn't. |
| 06:06.14 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN. |
| 06:06.41 | boinkder | dli: this is my first linux machine I really don't know what a lot of things are yet |
| 06:06.48 | raden | is this normal for dmesg http://pastebin.com/476257 |
| 06:07.09 | dli | boinkder, apt-get install udev |
| 06:07.33 | dli | boinkder, sis is "modprobe snd-intel8x0" ? |
| 06:07.33 | boinkder | dli: It says it is already installs, so I take it I have it |
| 06:07.52 | qtac | raden: yes, if you've got iptables set to log to stdout |
| 06:08.03 | qtac | stdout? err.. |
| 06:08.11 | dli | boinkder, lsmod to double check |
| 06:08.14 | raden | qtac, you lost me bro |
| 06:08.15 | boinkder | dli: A question on modprobe. Does it actually put the driver in the /etc/modules file? or should I vi it in there to auto-load on startup? |
| 06:08.29 | qtac | raden: run this: iptables -L |
| 06:08.39 | boinkder | dli: Yes, that is the one I need, I remember that file name |
| 06:09.06 | qtac | raden: I'd tell you to pastebin the output, however that would let the world see your firewall. Up to you I guess. |
| 06:09.20 | qtac | raden: the problem is that one or more of your chains is sending logs to the console |
| 06:09.36 | qtac | raden: although I wouldn't really call it a problem... just a tad annoying :-) |
| 06:09.37 | dli | boinkder, do you see the module in lsmod ? |
| 06:09.38 | raden | qtac, http://pastebin.com/476258 < iptables -L |
| 06:09.38 | boinkder | dli: However, I am getting "Error running install command for snd_intel8x0" |
| 06:09.44 | boinkder | dli: Yes I do |
| 06:10.00 | raden | qtac, im behind firewalls beyond firewalls |
| 06:10.17 | qtac | raden: you only really ever need one good one |
| 06:10.30 | qtac | raden: unless you've got a network like ours... :-\ |
| 06:10.31 | dli | boinkder, then, it's fine :) /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 06:10.38 | raden | we have the firewall router at the T1 the router in office w/ firewall and iptables |
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| 06:10.58 | raden | and then the lovely charter link |
| 06:11.06 | boinkder | dli: ok it set it up. |
| 06:11.20 | dli | boinkder, alsamixer |
| 06:11.30 | dli | boinkder, you should be able to get sound now |
| 06:11.33 | raden | qtac, soo how would i get dmesg output ? |
| 06:11.34 | qtac | raden: look at line 69 in your pastebin dump |
| 06:11.42 | raden | qtac, k |
| 06:11.54 | boinkder | dli: Oh, I get sound fine, I just have to manually run alsaconf every time I restart. Sorry for the misunderstanding |
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| 06:12.00 | fooz | what's a good mp3 player? xmms can't cope with unicode locales and beep media player can't cope with playing CDs |
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| 06:13.19 | raden | qtac, I see it dont understand it |
| 06:13.28 | ice_1963 | gxine |
| 06:13.28 | dli | boinkder, no |
| 06:13.48 | boinkder | dli: no? |
| 06:13.51 | dli | boinkder, no point in running alsaconf after the installation is done |
| 06:14.20 | boinkder | dli: Oh, yeah, that is what I am trying to avoid. alsaconf was the only way I could find to get my sound to work. Except I have to run it everytime I reboot |
| 06:14.22 | dli | boinkder, since you are having problems with it, make it built-in, forget all alsaconf |
| 06:14.26 | raden | qtac, soo iptables is logging everything and dmesg is picking it up >? |
| 06:14.55 | dli | boinkder, everything /etc/init.d/alsa should be run auto :) double check that |
| 06:15.12 | boinkder | dli: Would that all be in the dmesg? |
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| 06:15.49 | dli | qtac: that's why I don't build ipt_LOG in kernel :( |
| 06:16.06 | boinkder | dli: also, in this kernel build I forgot to change my sound card from M to Y, do I need to rebuild or where can I find which modules they are? |
| 06:16.13 | dli | boinkder, should be so |
| 06:16.20 | boinkder | dli: or would it just be the snd-intel8x0 if I can find it. |
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| 06:16.46 | dli | boinkder, Device drivers -> alsa -> pci devices -> |
| 06:16.51 | bradd | hey guys.. whats the 'initrd...' in /boot? I just built a custom kernel and want to put it in /boot but I dont' know what to do about the 'initrd..' file.. |
| 06:17.12 | boinkder | dli; Yeah, I found that with the make menuconfig (I am learning how to compile the non debian way incase I ever switch) |
| 06:17.16 | dli | bradd, since you are building your own :) you'd better avoid initrd |
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| 06:17.38 | bradd | ok, so just copy the bzImage over and add it to grub.. it should boot fine then?? |
| 06:17.55 | dli | bradd, no! ask dpkg about kp |
| 06:18.13 | dli | bradd, remember to disable initrd in kernel |
| 06:18.19 | boinkder | bradd: You can use mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img.[kernel version] [kernel version] |
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| 06:18.47 | boinkder | bradd: for example I used mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14.4 2.6.14.4 |
| 06:19.56 | dli | boinkder, no point in using initrd :( |
| 06:20.33 | boinkder | dli: Yeah, I was told that by someone else, but I couldn't get it to work without it. I think I forgot to change some things when compiling though |
| 06:21.15 | dli | boinkder, disable initrd in block devices, (and processor also?), and make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 06:21.55 | boinkder | dli: What package do I need to install to get make-kpkg to work? I couldn't seem to get it to work the other day when I tried it? |
| 06:22.14 | boinkder | dli: I am using the non debian way, but for future reference it would be helpful |
| 06:22.14 | dli | boinkder, apt-get install kernel-package |
| 06:22.23 | boinkder | dli: Ok, thank you again |
| 06:22.32 | raden | how complex is iptables to work with ? |
| 06:22.35 | dli | boinkder, ask dpkg about kp |
| 06:22.49 | boinkder | dli: Oh, update, I cannot find anything saying what ALSA ran in my dmesg other than soundcard not found and it's friver |
| 06:22.51 | dli | raden, I use bastille and psad |
| 06:23.26 | dli | boinkder, does sound work now? |
| 06:23.38 | dli | raden, apt-get install bastille psad |
| 06:23.53 | raden | k.... |
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| 06:23.59 | raden | iptables getting old or something ? |
| 06:24.00 | boinkder | dli: It works fine when I run alsaconf. I will need to reboot to see if it starts up automatically. |
| 06:24.05 | dli | raden, no |
| 06:24.16 | boinkder | dli: I will reboot now and let you know. Thank you very much |
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| 06:27.04 | boinkder | dli: No, it still doesn't start when booting up |
| 06:28.58 | dli | boinkder, the driver is built-in? |
| 06:29.17 | dli | boinkder, double check with dmesg|less |
| 06:29.23 | boinkder | I think I messed up and maed it a module. I will try again |
| 06:30.04 | dli | boinkder, try the debian way, instead of "make", "make-kpkg clean;make-kpkg kernel-image" |
| 06:30.43 | boinkder | dli: When I do it that way will I need to edit grub and copy the files to my boot directory still? Or do you know of a good site with a tutorial I can check? |
| 06:30.52 | dli | boinkder, to live without initrd, you need to built-in your ide/scsi filesystem drivers |
| 06:31.19 | dli | boinkder, no, dpkg does it for you, you may run "update-grub" to double check |
| 06:31.52 | boinkder | dli: Yeah, I read that somewhere in the help file of something. I just forgot to disable the initrd in the kernel setup or what not |
| 06:32.09 | boinkder | dli: I didn't know about that until you mentioned it. Thank you |
| 06:32.46 | dli | boinkder, ask dpkg about kp |
| 06:32.57 | dli | dpkg tell boinkder about kp |
| 06:33.11 | boinkder | dli: Thanks |
| 06:34.17 | boinkder | with make-kpkg will I still need to use make menuconfig? I don't seem to be getting a place to edit options (maybe it just takes longer) |
| 06:34.22 | g3brown | I'm coping a Sarve DVD to the HD on Sarge. It is taking forever (45+ mins). Could I have some sort of configuration issue? It takes <20sec to copy a gig to the same hard drive over the lan. |
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| 06:34.54 | Miesco | I have a problem |
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| 06:35.51 | boinkder | nevermind silly question, sorry. |
| 06:36.14 | TraceGreen | Miesco, don't just tell us you have a problem, but tell us what is your problem |
| 06:36.22 | Miesco | But I got a big problem |
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| 06:36.49 | Miesco | How do I check how many devices my soundcard can go to? |
| 06:36.56 | moret | hi all |
| 06:37.03 | moret | I need help with KDE |
| 06:37.14 | TraceGreen | Miesco, what do you mean of "go to"? |
| 06:37.22 | chalcedony | is anyone using openoffice? |
| 06:37.27 | moret | when I insert a pendrive in to USB, system:/ does not detect it |
| 06:37.30 | Miesco | TraceGreen: How do I find out if my soundcard supports hardware mixing |
| 06:37.36 | moret | chalcedony: Me |
| 06:37.43 | chalcedony | morel :) |
| 06:37.51 | boinkder | moret: I belive you need to mount your usb drive |
| 06:37.59 | Miesco | moret: What kernel |
| 06:38.02 | dli | moret, you need sd_mod sg uchi_hcd (ehci-hcd) usb-storage |
| 06:38.14 | TraceGreen | Miesco, sorry, i don't really unstand "hardware mixing" |
| 06:38.15 | dli | moret, modprobe them one by one now |
| 06:38.20 | chalcedony | moret: The template: Pleading Papers (upper one) located at: http://documentation.openoffice.org/Samples_Templates/User/template/legal/index.html |
| 06:38.20 | chalcedony | Works for me, to a point. |
| 06:38.26 | Miesco | TraceGreen: Its when you play 2 sounds at once |
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| 06:38.35 | moret | 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 06:38.46 | moret | Miesco: 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 06:38.51 | chalcedony | moret how do i get it to let me put my text in the box at the bottom of the pages? What do they call that box? |
| 06:38.55 | TraceGreen | Miesco, oh, as i remember, Linux seems don't support it. i don't know. |
| 06:39.17 | Miesco | TraceGreen: Yea it does :/ |
| 06:39.37 | boinkder | dli: make-kpkg is so much easier than doing it all by hand, thank you for the advice |
| 06:40.26 | moret | dli: I modprobe that and system kio continues in the same... |
| 06:40.35 | dli | Miesco, you can do it by software, try esd or artsd |
| 06:40.48 | moret | I need restart KDE? |
| 06:40.52 | dli | moret, what's in "sg_map" |
| 06:41.06 | moret | sg_map? |
| 06:41.16 | dli | moret, run the command |
| 06:41.34 | moret | I don't have it |
| 06:41.37 | moret | :S |
| 06:41.50 | moret | bash: sg_map: command not found |
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| 06:42.28 | moret | sg-utils |
| 06:43.46 | moret | dli: sg_map show "Stopping because no sg devices found" |
| 06:44.02 | dondelelcaro | you know that you've been using unix for too long whe you sit down and use a machine for more than 15 minutes wihtout realizing that the mouse has stopped working... |
| 06:44.04 | drumond | how did I descompact the tar gz file ? |
| 06:44.27 | dondelelcaro | (and indeed hasn't been working the entire time that you've been using the machine) |
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| 06:44.30 | boinkder | dondelelcara: haha |
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| 06:45.27 | boinkder | drumond: try "tar -xvzf [filename] |
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| 06:46.19 | drumond | It's not working |
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| 06:46.33 | drumond | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 06:46.44 | jaymzh | when I try to remove libgucharmap3, I get "unable to execute post-removal script: Exec format error" |
| 06:46.45 | drumond | tar: Out for error... |
| 06:46.55 | Miesco | drumond: Paste the filename |
| 06:47.01 | tuv | drumond: try it without the "-" |
| 06:47.23 | boinkder | drumond: if that doesn't work you might want to use gunzip on it first then tar. |
| 06:47.53 | jaymzh | and libgucharmap3 doesn't seem to be in stable or unstable anymore |
| 06:48.01 | dli | jaymzh, if you couldn't figure out why it errored :( try to edit that postrm script, put "exit 0" at the very beginning |
| 06:48.03 | MasterObi-WanK | hello, I have a FW, 1 public ip and 1 lan, I need to forward from publuci to lan, whats the best way to do it ? iptables or rdedir ? |
| 06:48.03 | moret | dli: solved, I need HAL :P |
| 06:48.09 | moret | ei |
| 06:48.14 | moret | help with ssh please |
| 06:48.27 | Miesco | moret: HAL 9000? |
| 06:48.31 | moret | I can access to ssh from local network, but from internet I can't |
| 06:48.52 | jaymzh | dli: good call -- where's that stored... /var/lib/dpkg/... ? |
| 06:48.53 | dli | moret, ssh port disabled by iptables ? |
| 06:49.06 | moret | I don't have iptables |
| 06:49.11 | raden | moret, whats wrong ? |
| 06:49.21 | raden | firewall |
| 06:49.22 | raden | router ? |
| 06:49.29 | raden | no ip forwarding from router ? |
| 06:49.54 | moret | ssh moret.no-ip.org |
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| 06:50.04 | moret | can you access? |
| 06:50.14 | dli | jaymzh, /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 06:50.14 | moret | the 22 port is open to my pc |
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| 06:50.43 | jaymzh | dli - ah,, I see why ... it's half a script. thanks. |
| 06:50.48 | raden | moret do you have a router ? |
| 06:50.58 | moret | yes |
| 06:51.02 | moret | raden: yes |
| 06:51.12 | raden | do you have it forwarding to you boxes ip for that port > |
| 06:51.22 | moret | yes |
| 06:51.34 | moret | the router is configured well |
| 06:51.41 | Kluster_v2 | moret your port 22 is showing as OPEN |
| 06:51.49 | moret | yes |
| 06:52.12 | moret | it is open |
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| 06:52.42 | dli | moret, how about stop sshd, and run "sshd -d -p 22" |
| 06:52.44 | raden | /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 06:52.48 | Scorp_Lver | hi |
| 06:52.50 | Kluster_v2 | moret, 22, 80, 400-remoteanything and 10000 are open :) |
| 06:52.55 | Kluster_v2 | I mean 4000 |
| 06:52.55 | Scorp_Lver | wasup |
| 06:53.04 | moret | xD |
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| 06:53.05 | moret | yes |
| 06:53.29 | moret | pc1:/home/moret# sshd -d -p 22 |
| 06:53.29 | moret | sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path |
| 06:53.30 | Scorp_Lver | anyone have a desert hairy scorpion? |
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| 06:54.04 | Scorp_Lver | does anybody have a desert hairy scorpion |
| 06:54.17 | dli | moret, sorry, /usr/sbin/sshd ? |
| 06:54.54 | moret | pc1:/home/moret# /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 06:54.54 | moret | Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key |
| 06:55.44 | moret | anything wrong? |
| 06:55.49 | Kluster_v2 | isn't the key auto-generated when you install ssh ? |
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| 06:56.12 | moret | yes |
| 06:56.15 | dli | moret, you should disable protocol 1 |
| 06:56.33 | moret | dli: how? |
| 06:56.40 | boinkder | dli, thank you again for your help on my issue, I will try the new kernel with everything built-in when it finishes. |
| 06:56.46 | boinkder | Goodnight everyone. |
| 06:56.52 | raden | night |
| 06:58.14 | moret | ssh-keygen? |
| 06:58.20 | moret | dsa and rsa right? |
| 06:58.50 | dli | moret, in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 06:59.04 | moret | ssh moret.no-ip.org now please |
| 06:59.30 | moret | now works? |
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| 06:59.55 | dli | moret, ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 07:00.00 | moret | :( |
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| 07:00.16 | moret | dli: # Protocol 2,1 ? |
| 07:00.20 | homo | when install programs i get really old versions.. what should i change in my apt sources thing |
| 07:00.21 | moret | do i uncomment it? |
| 07:00.27 | dli | moret: Protocol 2 |
| 07:00.42 | amphi | homo: 'really old'? like what? |
| 07:00.42 | dli | homo: apt-setup |
| 07:01.02 | dli | homo: it's okay to run stable :) |
| 07:01.22 | homo | like version 1 when 2 is available and commonly used by most sane ppl |
| 07:01.40 | dli | moret, # Protocol 2,1 -> Protocol 2 |
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| 07:02.42 | moret | please, try now |
| 07:02.46 | moret | ssh root@moret.no-ip.org |
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| 07:03.12 | Kluster_v2 | nopw |
| 07:03.23 | moret | now works? |
| 07:03.26 | Kluster_v2 | no |
| 07:03.30 | moret | :_ |
| 07:03.31 | moret | :S |
| 07:03.50 | Snake-Eyes | moret, root password pls :P |
| 07:04.10 | Kluster_v2 | ooh yeah.. and credit card number too while you're at it |
| 07:04.22 | moret | Snake-Eyes: it works? |
| 07:04.36 | homo | yaw. so is there a standarrd way to change between stable/testing/ etc ..... |
| 07:05.17 | Snake-Eyes | moret, ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 07:05.23 | moret | :S:S |
| 07:05.36 | moret | I don't understand... :S |
| 07:05.49 | dli | moret, did you restart your sshd ? |
| 07:06.00 | moret | a few weeks ago It worked correctly, I resintalled Debian and it does not work :( |
| 07:06.03 | moret | dli: yes |
| 07:06.09 | dli | moret, if you really messed up, try "dpkg --purge ssh;apt-get install ssh" |
| 07:06.22 | dli | moret, and restart sshd after that |
| 07:06.22 | moret | pc1:/home/moret# /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 07:06.23 | moret | Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. |
| 07:06.29 | moret | oks |
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| 07:07.06 | moret | dli: try now |
| 07:07.11 | dli | moret, indeed ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host happens quite often |
| 07:07.26 | moret | now also? |
| 07:07.36 | dli | moret, the same |
| 07:08.02 | Greek-Boy | i heard php5.1.1 is stable but its still not available through apt-get? |
| 07:08.04 | Greek-Boy | why not? |
| 07:08.29 | dli | moret, try dpkg --purge |
| 07:09.15 | moret | dli: try now |
| 07:10.23 | dli | moret, do you allow passwd login in sshd? |
| 07:10.32 | moret | mmm |
| 07:10.34 | moret | how? |
| 07:10.43 | dli | moret, do you have /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 07:11.07 | moret | ALL:ALL |
| 07:11.19 | dli | moret, deny ALL:ALL ? |
| 07:11.26 | moret | yes ¬¬ |
| 07:11.38 | moret | U¬¬ |
| 07:11.42 | dli | put a line of " sshd: ALL" in your /etc/hosts.allow |
| 07:12.20 | moret | try now |
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| 07:12.44 | dli | moret, works now |
| 07:13.17 | dli | moret, there are many reasons for that error :( this is the easiest |
| 07:13.46 | moret | dli: ueeeeeeeeeeeee thanks!! :P |
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| 07:14.13 | dli | moret, now, you have to worry a little bit about security |
| 07:14.18 | panana2 | the first time using ubuntu |
| 07:14.21 | moret | dli: yes... |
| 07:14.26 | moret | dli: any manual? |
| 07:14.27 | dli | moret, it's a good idea to install fail2ban |
| 07:14.36 | dli | moret, apt-get install fail2ban |
| 07:14.36 | moret | fail2ban? |
| 07:14.43 | panana2 | ? |
| 07:14.58 | moret | what is fail2ban |
| 07:15.00 | dli | panana2, this is not #ubuntu |
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| 07:15.21 | dli | moret, many worms there just keep trying ssh passwd |
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| 07:15.36 | dli | moret, fail2ban will auto ban that IP after 5 failures |
| 07:15.37 | moret | aamm |
| 07:15.47 | panana2 | oh what's the diff ? |
| 07:15.49 | moret | It don't need to be configured? |
| 07:15.53 | Kluster_v2 | I installed fail2ban yesterday.. very usefull |
| 07:15.56 | pitillo | dli, fail2ban E: No packages found |
| 07:16.07 | Kluster_v2 | it's in testing or unstable |
| 07:16.12 | dli | moret, apt-get install fail2ban, that's it |
| 07:16.16 | moret | Des:1 http://ftp.es.debian.org unstable/main fail2ban 0.6.0-1 [33,5kB] |
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| 07:16.24 | moret | oks |
| 07:16.26 | moret | thanks! |
| 07:16.35 | moret | now I must go to work :( |
| 07:16.39 | moret | Thanks for all |
| 07:16.42 | moret | see you!! |
| 07:16.43 | moret | bye |
| 07:16.58 | tijn | cya |
| 07:17.02 | Kluster_v2 | I should go to sleep |
| 07:17.36 | pitillo | it?s a pity it isn?t in sarge.... |
| 07:17.57 | aubergine | ? |
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| 07:18.17 | Kluster_v2 | you can always get the sources |
| 07:18.18 | absolutzero | hi all |
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| 07:18.44 | pitillo | Kluster_v2, where can i find it? |
| 07:18.48 | absolutzero | anyome have any lucj with Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7? |
| 07:18.49 | Kluster_v2 | http://fail2ban.sourceforge.net/#downloads |
| 07:19.11 | pitillo | i want to try that packet... |
| 07:19.41 | jaymzh | absolutzero: um... 1.5 is out |
| 07:19.57 | Kluster_v2 | it uses iptable to ba the intruder's ip for "X" seconds after "Y" failed attempts |
| 07:20.01 | Kluster_v2 | ba=ban |
| 07:20.05 | absolutzero | 1.0.7 is 1.5 |
| 07:20.31 | jaymzh | uh oh |
| 07:20.43 | raden | there a way to dump mem ? |
| 07:20.53 | jaymzh | anyway, I'm out |
| 07:20.53 | absolutzero | debug |
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| 07:22.33 | tijn | when looking @ usbview, if something is red, it isnt configured correctly? |
| 07:22.39 | tijn | of just not workin? |
| 07:22.42 | tijn | of just not workin?+g |
| 07:22.46 | absolutzero | also: where do people go to get debian packages these days? The serach engine on debianpackages is acting wierd |
| 07:23.00 | b14ck | packages.debian.org |
| 07:23.21 | pitillo | well , i?ll try it in sid |
| 07:23.35 | absolutzero | aha |
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| 07:27.03 | zorzella | anyone, please help! I upgraded to etch, and my emacs now only shows boxes in place of letters. Any ideas? |
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| 07:28.11 | botsy_ | by defaul squid don't accept POP, SMTP and IMAP port ? |
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| 07:28.25 | absolutzero | Has Firefox 1.5 been released as a debian package? Or just tar ball? |
| 07:28.38 | absolutzero | found it |
| 07:28.49 | botsy_ | if i want it enable them it's just necessary i add acl with port for pop,smtp and imap no ? |
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| 07:35.58 | pitillo | Kluster_v2, do you know if are there any packet seemed to fail2ban for sarge? |
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| 07:37.29 | mae | how can i easily generate some ssl keypairs for https (i don't care if they are signed as just for testing/ my own purposes) |
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| 07:38.05 | dli | mae: I think dpkg does that for you, if you install apache-ssl |
| 07:38.38 | ryanium | is there a limit on the vega driver on resolution? |
| 07:39.03 | dli | ryanium, push for ati :) |
| 07:39.10 | ryanium | ok ok lol |
| 07:39.20 | ryanium | ill read that guide when i get off the phone :P |
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| 07:40.56 | _SerhaT_ | hmm quick question.. I have apache already installed.. but want it with SSL.. if I install apache-ssl will I have 2 different apache's running or will it run on the same apache? or should I remove the old apache and install apache-ssl which may also support non-ssl connections? |
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| 07:41.51 | ryanium | well dli you still got that link on you? |
| 07:41.57 | ryanium | other laptop in use |
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| 07:46.15 | mae | _SerhaT_: apache-ssl is an older version of apache designed for ssl |
| 07:46.23 | mae | _SerhaT_: apache2 now does ssl through mod_ssl |
| 07:46.47 | _SerhaT_ | ahh okay .. so just install mod_ssl and configging apache2 to listen on 443 should work right? |
| 07:46.48 | Flimzy | Xine and my clock are both running way too fast on my machine... mplayer works, oddly enough. What is the likely problem? Do I need to tweak RTC support or something? |
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| 07:50.45 | pitillo | has anyone any reference to make work a digital video camera like a webcam? |
| 07:50.47 | justnulli | i keep on getting "localhost kernel in=eth0 out= mac=" at console where can disable it? |
| 07:51.01 | jm_ | justnulli: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 07:51.31 | tijn | if something is red in usbview, does that mean its not working? |
| 07:51.48 | Flimzy | pitillo: It depends entirely on what kind of cam it is... some work in Linux, some don't. Google for it. |
| 07:52.26 | radon | I am having issues running a kernel I compiled using the instructions on debian.org... it gives me a kernel panic and an error message about not being able to mount the vfs on hda5... my original kernel uses the exact same boot parameters, but it has an initrd image specified... what should I do? |
| 07:52.34 | ryanium | is there a limit on the vega driver on resolution? |
| 07:52.54 | justnulli | jm_: i don't get it |
| 07:53.04 | jm_ | justnulli: don't get what? |
| 07:53.16 | dli | radon, initrd problem |
| 07:53.18 | pitillo | Flimzy, i look up in google to find any information about my model, but no reference. I don?t know if are there any generic drivers for digitals videocameras. I read about v4l, but my model isn?t supported by kernel |
| 07:53.38 | Flimzy | If it's not supported, then it's not supported. sorry, dude |
| 07:53.41 | dli | radon, you need to built-in essential drivers, like ide, filesystem |
| 07:54.01 | dli | radon, disable initrd also |
| 07:54.11 | justnulli | jm_: how to dissable it what do i put in sysctl.conf? |
| 07:54.20 | jm_ | justnulli: dpkg has told you |
| 07:54.27 | pitillo | Flimzy, i ask if are there any generic driver. Thanks for your answer, I?ll continue reading =) |
| 07:54.40 | radon | dli, I went back through the configuration and I thought I said yes to all the essential things... should I go back and redo all of that? |
| 07:54.50 | Flimzy | There are only 'generic' driverrs for firewire cameras |
| 07:54.55 | valdyn | pitillo: drivers are per chipset, not per camera, in that sense they are all generic |
| 07:55.44 | justnulli | jm_: "kernel.printk=3 4 1 7" ? |
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| 07:56.00 | radon | dli, my kernel has nothing set for initrd... does that mean it's disabled? |
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| 07:56.21 | valdyn | ryan`: not really, but certainly your vesa firmware has limits |
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| 07:58.06 | jm_ | justnulli: right |
| 07:58.22 | pitillo | valdy, the chipset used by the camera in my case is the usb chipset, working with it I can mount the memory it has, but can be another driver implementation to use it as a webcam, I dont know that and I ask for this =) |
| 07:58.42 | tijn | if something is red in usbview, does that mean its not working? |
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| 08:01.00 | justnulli | jm_: ok worked thanks |
| 08:01.21 | justnulli | jm_: but why was it logging everything? |
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| 08:03.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:03.06 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:14.07 | jm_ | justnulli: to logfiles? |
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| 08:14.54 | justnulli | jm_: yes i guess bastille enabled it but i can't find where |
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| 08:18.27 | jm_ | justnulli: syslog.conf defines what is logged |
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| 08:19.11 | justnulli | jm_: i have dissabled syslog and it was still logging |
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| 08:20.06 | jm_ | justnulli: you mean printing on console? |
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| 08:21.02 | justnulli | jm_: well yes when syslog was disabled it was still printing to console till i did printk thing |
| 08:21.56 | jm_ | justnulli: that's not logging, that's displaying it on console |
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| 08:22.59 | justnulli | jm_: i assume that the same setting enables both |
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| 08:23.13 | justnulli | jm_: so what to find that setting |
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| 08:24.21 | jm_ | justnulli: no, read description about printk sysctl setting |
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| 08:26.16 | justnulli | jm_: i have another system that doesn't have bastille and there not even a single log or console output about packets so this is not enabled by default in debian |
| 08:26.29 | tarzeau | how to write this Sa\u0161o in a manual page? |
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| 08:26.44 | tarzeau | an s with an upside down ^ on top |
| 08:26.59 | jm_ | justnulli: that's from iptables ... |
| 08:27.29 | justnulli | jm_: i know that but what file? |
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| 08:28.11 | jm_ | justnulli: I wouldn't know, iptables command can be used to list the configuration |
| 08:28.29 | mishmash | Guys, i have a DLT backup drive in my debian machine, it is shown as /dev/st0. But what kind of software do you guys recommend |
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| 08:32.15 | justnulli | jm_: well i guess so |
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| 08:39.26 | onyx | Guys whats a good linux OS which is small and easy to use? |
| 08:39.48 | troyme | damn small |
| 08:40.07 | onyx | small as in size wise |
| 08:40.24 | Puiu | damn small linux |
| 08:40.41 | dli | onyx, DSL :) but why do you care about size so much |
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| 08:40.54 | onyx | because my laptop has a 5gb hdd |
| 08:40.55 | onyx | lol |
| 08:41.13 | onyx | DSL? |
| 08:41.19 | troyme | buy a large one |
| 08:41.28 | onyx | lol in the mean time |
| 08:41.31 | onyx | u got any ideas? |
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| 08:41.51 | dli | onyx, hdd is very cheap now :) buy a 60GB :) |
| 08:42.03 | onyx | yeh i know |
| 08:42.19 | Hoaxter | onyx: What's wrong with Debian? It will take about 1-2GB so there is a lot of space left. |
| 08:42.33 | onyx | ive never used debian |
| 08:42.34 | dli | onyx, I had a 20GB laptop, spent $100 for a 80GB |
| 08:42.36 | onyx | is it an good? |
| 08:43.14 | lekvar | that'd be a mailorder price |
| 08:43.21 | lekvar | but |
| 08:43.21 | troyme | 40GB enough |
| 08:43.41 | onyx | lol u lot stil aint asnwered my qeustion |
| 08:43.45 | lekvar | i just upgraded from a (crashed) 10gb to a 60gb and it's quite a speed improvement. worth it |
| 08:43.46 | Hoaxter | onyx: here are about 600 people in a channel named *debian* what do you thing why they're hanging out here? |
| 08:43.55 | onyx | lol fair enough |
| 08:44.00 | onyx | so is debian any good? easy to use? |
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| 08:44.35 | SlayerXP | onyx: no, it's crap and is like flossing a rabbit's bowels with barbed wire |
| 08:44.43 | onyx | lol |
| 08:44.48 | troyme | debian can be small |
| 08:44.53 | lekvar | incidentally can anyone explain what the a "local apic" does? i'm tempted to enable it but... |
| 08:44.56 | troyme | and easy to upgrade |
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| 08:45.01 | onyx | nice |
| 08:45.06 | onyx | what about slackware |
| 08:45.08 | onyx | or iWHAX |
| 08:45.10 | omi | Does anyone know what RX network protocl do? |
| 08:45.14 | onyx | or Mandrake? |
| 08:45.38 | dli | onyx no, use debian instead of mandrake |
| 08:45.55 | troyme | hard for others to be small as debian |
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| 08:46.40 | omi | DSL :D |
| 08:47.15 | onyx | lol ok |
| 08:47.20 | onyx | wtf does DSL mean? |
| 08:47.33 | omi | damn small linux |
| 08:47.49 | onyx | lol |
| 08:48.00 | Eulex | onyx, debian will fit perfectly on that 5gb hdd. however, depending on how much ram you have, you probably want to run a light desktop environment or window manager |
| 08:48.08 | onyx | 256 |
| 08:48.10 | onyx | MB |
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| 08:48.32 | onyx | what is gentoo is that any good? |
| 08:48.44 | Eclipser | !gentoo |
| 08:48.44 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 08:48.45 | onyx | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ - which one do i get guys? |
| 08:48.49 | troyme | 200-400mb is enough for a debian desktop without swap |
| 08:48.56 | Eulex | onyx, then you should be able to run kde or gnome |
| 08:49.04 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:49.04 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 08:49.15 | onyx | lol |
| 08:49.25 | onyx | ok cool |
| 08:49.27 | onyx | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ - which one do i get guys? |
| 08:49.37 | onyx | but which one :S damn things give u soo much choices |
| 08:49.46 | tarzeau | onyx: what hardware do you have? |
| 08:49.55 | troyme | netinstall |
| 08:49.56 | tarzeau | if you don't know take http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:49.56 | Eclipser | onyx, net install perhaps? :) |
| 08:50.01 | troyme | if have net worked well |
| 08:50.04 | Eulex | onyx, have you got a fast internet connection at the machine you want to install debian on? |
| 08:50.15 | onyx | The machine is not on the net |
| 08:50.19 | onyx | at the moment |
| 08:50.25 | Eclipser | well can you plug it? :) |
| 08:50.27 | onyx | ima burn it on to cd |
| 08:50.33 | onyx | it has no OS installed |
| 08:50.33 | omi | I've got a question for the Debian gurus! |
| 08:50.40 | omi | can I run debian on sun 4/100 :D |
| 08:50.49 | onyx | is that a problem? |
| 08:50.53 | troyme | dvd or full cd sets |
| 08:50.58 | tarzeau | omi: is that very old or new and big? |
| 08:51.01 | tarzeau | omi: #sparc |
| 08:51.06 | Eclipser | onyx, not a problem really, it's just easier if you can get the box online |
| 08:51.08 | Eulex | onyx, then you need to download the cds or dvds. |
| 08:51.20 | omi | VERY VERY old AND BIG |
| 08:51.21 | Eclipser | downloading and burning the CDs/DVDs is useless :p |
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| 08:51.30 | if | hello everyone, i've got a problem with patching my 2.4.27 kernel with patch-o-matic... i need the TTL Target but after i patched the kernel make-kpkg gives me many errors..do someone knows how i can fix that ? |
| 08:51.32 | onyx | [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] |
| 08:51.35 | onyx | which one do i pic? |
| 08:51.40 | onyx | wtf r thoes anyway? |
| 08:51.43 | Eclipser | i386... |
| 08:51.47 | troyme | i386 |
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| 08:51.48 | omi | but when you remove the hard drives and 12 U tape drive it is about 6U |
| 08:52.02 | omi | I hear it can netboot somehow |
| 08:52.12 | tarzeau | omi: what year? |
| 08:52.20 | onyx | its 14 discs? |
| 08:52.20 | Eulex | omi, http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ch02s01.html.en |
| 08:52.27 | omi | late 80s early 90s I suppose |
| 08:52.29 | tarzeau | omi: sun3 had m68k , forget those |
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| 08:52.46 | tarzeau | omi: if it's a sun4 with sparc, it might get messy if it's really very old |
| 08:52.47 | Eulex | onyx, you probably won't need more than the first 3 or 4 |
| 08:52.58 | onyx | lol fuck this |
| 08:53.00 | tarzeau | omi: i'd use it as a stylish table |
| 08:53.05 | onyx | u said is shit was small lol |
| 08:53.08 | troyme | 3.1r1 netinstall iso miss kernel 2.6 problem fixed?? |
| 08:53.17 | bibe | onyx : if you have a network connection available, you can download only the netinstall CD |
| 08:53.18 | tarzeau | omi: take the inwards out and put some beverages into it |
| 08:53.19 | Eclipser | onyx, you only need the first, or preferrably the netinstall image on CD-RW |
| 08:53.21 | Eulex | onyx, well, you don't install all of it |
| 08:53.30 | Eclipser | the netinst image is around 100MB |
| 08:53.33 | Eclipser | if I recall |
| 08:53.37 | omi | haha |
| 08:53.47 | Eulex | Eclipser, the machine he wants to install debian on has no internet connection |
| 08:53.48 | omi | no way, if I get it to run something it will be a log server :D |
| 08:53.49 | bibe | onyx : /msg dpkg netinst explains it very well |
| 08:53.57 | omi | no way anyone dares to compramize that! |
| 08:53.59 | Eulex | bibe, ^^ |
| 08:54.08 | Eclipser | Eulex, I know, but he said "at the moment" so I'm assuming it can be plugged online :p |
| 08:54.20 | bibe | Eulex : thanks, I didn't figure out |
| 08:54.31 | Eulex | Eclipser, ah |
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| 08:54.57 | omi | tarzeau, the one that looks like freezer are later models, this just looked like a rack |
| 08:55.03 | Eulex | onyx, if you can plug internet into the box, you will have to download much less |
| 08:57.59 | if | ehm, noone knows how to patch kernel with ttl target support :/ ? |
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| 09:03.59 | izkorptix\a | can i get help ? |
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| 09:04.31 | Eulex | !ask |
| 09:04.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:04.52 | izkorptix\a | nah |
| 09:04.58 | izkorptix\a | well i to debian |
| 09:05.03 | izkorptix\a | but i never touched it |
| 09:05.12 | izkorptix\a | or know anything about libux |
| 09:05.17 | izkorptix\a | *linux |
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| 09:05.36 | izkorptix\a | and runninmn windows xp atm |
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| 09:05.56 | chalcedony | hi izkorptix\a what brought you here? |
| 09:06.05 | izkorptix\a | redhat i guess |
| 09:06.25 | izkorptix\a | or /list |
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| 09:06.53 | izkorptix\a | am i talking to myself ? |
| 09:07.02 | chalcedony | ah |
| 09:07.09 | izkorptix\a | .. |
| 09:07.10 | chalcedony | redhat... |
| 09:07.14 | chalcedony | office program |
| 09:07.15 | Eulex | izkorptix\a, well, got any question? |
| 09:07.18 | chalcedony | debian is for serious people |
| 09:07.19 | dimir | awful! |
| 09:07.20 | izkorptix\a | do i? |
| 09:07.26 | izkorptix\a | i just typed it out |
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| 09:08.02 | izkorptix\a | well wrong tho |
| 09:08.02 | izkorptix\a | like |
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| 09:08.02 | izkorptix\a | i never used linux in my life |
| 09:08.03 | izkorptix\a | and i wanna start now |
| 09:08.08 | azeem | so install Debian |
| 09:08.09 | Prodyga_ | hi people |
| 09:08.12 | izkorptix\a | really |
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| 09:08.14 | izkorptix\a | how |
| 09:08.15 | hebfftijd | like to install chinese language (mozilla) which where to find the fonts (newbie) |
| 09:08.18 | Prodyga_ | me neader izkorptix\a |
| 09:08.29 | azeem | izkorptix\a: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 09:08.30 | izkorptix\a | .. |
| 09:08.34 | izkorptix\a | but |
| 09:08.39 | izkorptix\a | i also want it to boot xp |
| 09:08.42 | izkorptix\a | dual boot ? |
| 09:08.52 | azeem | that is possible |
| 09:08.56 | dli | hebfftijd, apt-get install locales xfonts-intel-chinese |
| 09:09.03 | azeem | read the installation manual, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 09:09.10 | izkorptix\a | im not at reading |
| 09:09.11 | izkorptix\a | i swear |
| 09:09.19 | azeem | what? |
| 09:09.32 | izkorptix\a | *im not good at reading |
| 09:09.42 | azeem | izkorptix\a: oh, this will be a problem |
| 09:09.51 | izkorptix\a | damm |
| 09:09.56 | izkorptix\a | can u go step by step |
| 09:09.59 | azeem | izkorptix\a: maybe Ubuntu might be easier for you then |
| 09:10.01 | izkorptix\a | in pm with me plz |
| 09:10.03 | izkorptix\a | why |
| 09:10.03 | zork7 | if you are not good at reading install windoze and forget about unix/linux |
| 09:10.09 | izkorptix\a | yea |
| 09:10.11 | azeem | izkorptix\a: no, I gotta buy christmas presents now |
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| 09:10.18 | izkorptix\a | ahh k |
| 09:10.31 | azeem | izkorptix\a: check out #ubuntu and www.ubuntu.com |
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| 09:10.35 | izkorptix\a | i didnt install windows it came with the computer D: |
| 09:10.36 | izkorptix\a | Ok |
| 09:10.42 | zork7 | linux is ALL about reading.... for hours |
| 09:10.54 | azeem | zork7: depends on what level of understanding you seek |
| 09:10.56 | izkorptix\a | fo sure mang |
| 09:11.16 | streuner | azeem: what the fuck are you doing? |
| 09:11.18 | zork7 | personally i love it :) there is nothin better than good man page or tutorial |
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| 09:11.30 | azeem | streuner: hrm? |
| 09:11.36 | Prodyga_ | ~AbataR~ what uuuuuuupp! |
| 09:11.43 | AbataR | Prodyga_, at last |
| 09:11.46 | Prodyga_ | ~AbataR~ ( re negra la baga ) |
| 09:11.55 | streuner | azeem: give recommentations for ubuntu in #ubuntu, but not here |
| 09:11.56 | Prodyga_ | ~AbataR~ how are u ? |
| 09:11.59 | apt | Prodyga_: okay |
| 09:11.59 | AbataR | (jajaaj) |
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| 09:12.18 | Prodyga_ | ~apt~ what ? |
| 09:12.31 | azeem | streuner: why not? He doesn't want to read a bit and wants to be hand-held for every step. Seems like Ubuntu is more what they seek, but if you want to help, go ahead |
| 09:12.39 | Eulex | Prodyga_, you triggered apt |
| 09:12.41 | AbataR | Prodyga_, im ok.. watch out this chan is full of evil hackers.. (???) |
| 09:12.44 | dimir | or kubuntu even. |
| 09:12.50 | Eulex | ~AbataR~ how |
| 09:12.52 | apt | abatar~ how are u ? |
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| 09:13.00 | Prodyga_ | ~AbataR~ if u say that.. |
| 09:13.11 | AbataR | Prodyga_, lol |
| 09:13.16 | Eulex | apt, forget AbataR~ how |
| 09:13.16 | apt | i forgot abatar~ how, Eulex |
| 09:13.19 | AbataR | apt, im fine n' u? |
| 09:13.56 | AbataR | wtf? |
| 09:13.57 | Eulex | Prodyga_, you added a fact to apt's database. the bot apt is triggered by the character ~, so please don't use it |
| 09:13.59 | Prodyga_ | ~AbataR~ chupa medias.. |
| 09:14.10 | azeem | Prodyga_: please stop using ~ for nicknames |
| 09:14.23 | AbataR | Prodyga_, aka son re ortivas.. |
| 09:14.29 | Prodyga_ | im not using .. ops... i do.. sorry |
| 09:14.34 | azeem | and continue off-topic conversations in private, even more so if they are not in english |
| 09:14.38 | AbataR | ñ ñ ñ |
| 09:14.38 | Eulex | !es |
| 09:14.39 | Prodyga_ | Aba siiii ta loco |
| 09:14.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:14.48 | Prodyga_ | ~AbataR~ ke les joden ? |
| 09:14.53 | hebfftijd | dli, thx |
| 09:15.05 | AbataR | Prodyga_, yes,, they are very ortivas.. |
| 09:15.22 | dli | hebfftijd, you may use scim, fcitx or chinput for Chinese input |
| 09:15.23 | streuner | azeem: do you get payed of ubuntu? |
| 09:15.31 | Prodyga_ | ~AbataR~ yeah.. lets run away from here.. |
| 09:15.32 | azeem | streuner: no |
| 09:15.47 | AbataR | Prodyga_, yes please.. donde vamos! |
| 09:16.01 | Prodyga_ | aba let me se... |
| 09:16.03 | izkorptix\a | do |
| 09:16.06 | Eulex | AbataR, #debian-es |
| 09:16.09 | izkorptix\a | i download ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso 13-Oct-2005 02:25 617M CDROM Image |
| 09:16.09 | izkorptix\a | ? |
| 09:16.10 | azeem | streuner: if I got paid for Ubuntu I wouldn't send the clueless people over there, so I had *more* work with them ;) |
| 09:16.14 | izkorptix\a | lol |
| 09:16.15 | izkorptix\a | shit |
| 09:16.17 | izkorptix\a | wrong channel |
| 09:16.19 | izkorptix\a | sorry |
| 09:16.21 | Eulex | izkorptix\a, #ubuntu, please |
| 09:16.22 | azeem | izkorptix\a: no problem |
| 09:16.28 | izkorptix\a | ;\ |
| 09:16.33 | AbataR | Eulex, no tnx i wrather gentoo-es |
| 09:16.58 | Eulex | AbataR, then why are you here in the first case? |
| 09:17.11 | bibe | hi all. I am running Sarge and KDE on my laptop, I always used juk for playing music with no problems. I am trying amarok, it plays ok but it seems to "lock" sound from other apps (e.g., psi). When I close amarok (not only stopping playing) all sounds from other apps play together. Any hints, please? |
| 09:17.13 | streuner | azeem: you should even learn to help "clueless' people here too... |
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| 09:17.39 | AbataR | Eulex, cose i like to boder debian anglo geek's.. ok? |
| 09:17.41 | smains | bibe, have you tried any other engines? |
| 09:17.43 | azeem | 10:05 < izkorptix\a> can u go step by step |
| 09:17.44 | azeem | 10:05 < izkorptix\a> in pm with me plz |
| 09:17.58 | azeem | well, I don't want to do that, but *shrug* |
| 09:18.12 | streuner | azeem: then say so, and let others him help |
| 09:18.13 | bibe | smains : do you mean sound engines? |
| 09:18.19 | Eulex | azeem, then point him at docs he can read |
| 09:18.20 | smains | bibe, yep |
| 09:18.27 | azeem | streuner: as I said, feel free to help him |
| 09:18.35 | bibe | smains : no, only arts daemon |
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| 09:18.53 | azeem | Eulex: I did |
| 09:18.56 | smains | bibe, try some of the others, xine and such |
| 09:19.04 | azeem | 10:04 < azeem> read the installation manual, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 09:19.08 | azeem | 10:04 < izkorptix\a> *im not good at reading |
| 09:19.09 | bibe | smains : ok, thanks |
| 09:19.31 | Eulex | azeem, yes, but it seems like he's in need of general linux/debian usage tutorials |
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| 09:19.59 | smains | bibe, there are packages for it, amarok-xine and such |
| 09:20.04 | azeem | anyway, I'm off |
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| 09:23.37 | FinnTux | any experts on debian/power management around? |
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| 09:23.56 | dondelelcaro | FinnTux: just ask your question... if someone knows, they'll answer. |
| 09:24.11 | FinnTux | I asked a question :) |
| 09:24.30 | dondelelcaro | FinnTux: the answer is yes. Next? |
| 09:24.45 | nkuttler | Function: don't pull the plug!!! |
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| 09:24.58 | nkuttler | grr |
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| 09:26.06 | FinnTux | suspend to ram and disk works in suse 10 but I can't get it to work in sarge |
| 09:26.15 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 09:26.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 09:26.18 | FinnTux | aceer 4651 laptop |
| 09:26.21 | FinnTux | acer* |
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| 09:26.49 | Znh | Hello |
| 09:26.53 | FinnTux | suspend works but it wont resume |
| 09:27.14 | FinnTux | display stays black and network is not reponding |
| 09:27.15 | Znh | how do I change the timezone? (I dont know if there is a special way in debian) |
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| 09:27.35 | FinnTux | Znh, try tzconfig |
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| 09:27.42 | Znh | FinnTux: ok |
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| 09:27.50 | cello_rasp | i have hooked up a nice 320 Gb drive only to find I have 293? What happened to the remaining 27 GIGS? |
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| 09:28.21 | Znh | cello_rasp: thats quite much indeed |
| 09:28.22 | sussudio | cello_rasp: welcome to the world. |
| 09:28.48 | sussudio | is this your first harddisk or what? |
| 09:28.52 | cello_rasp | Znh its blank brand new |
| 09:29.14 | azeem | cello_rasp: this is 1000 vs 1024 MB per GB |
| 09:29.18 | cello_rasp | nah but i didnt know the overhead was so great. on fdisk it showed up as 320Gb |
| 09:29.24 | dondelelcaro | FinnTux: which kernel are you using? |
| 09:29.27 | cello_rasp | azeem er no? |
| 09:29.33 | dondelelcaro | FinnTux: are you using apm or acpi? |
| 09:29.42 | cello_rasp | fdisk would not lie to me so what are you saying |
| 09:29.44 | dli | cello_rasp, yes :) |
| 09:29.45 | FinnTux | stock 2.6.14.3 and .4 |
| 09:29.48 | FinnTux | acpi |
| 09:29.57 | dondelelcaro | !convert 320 gigabytes to gibibytes |
| 09:30.02 | dpkg | gibibytes is an invalid unit? |
| 09:30.14 | dondelelcaro | !convert 320 gigabytes to gigibytes |
| 09:30.14 | dpkg | gigibytes is an invalid unit? |
| 09:30.15 | FinnTux | install is a bit tricky with older kernels on that laptop |
| 09:30.51 | FinnTux | I finally got sarge installed and went for stock kernel |
| 09:30.58 | cello_rasp | but even then the 24 bits in 1000 is not 9% |
| 09:31.03 | sussudio | !screw consumers |
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| 09:31.40 | Znh | I have a quite old 233mhz laptop, should I upgrade the kernel? (2.4.6 is installed) |
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| 09:31.46 | dli | cello_rasp, it should be 7.4% |
| 09:31.52 | Znh | *(2.4.27) |
| 09:31.59 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: it's 298 gibibytes, so that's about right. |
| 09:32.04 | Debian | I need little help |
| 09:32.15 | Znh | Debian: shoot :) |
| 09:32.17 | streuner | Znh: if everything works fine, no. |
| 09:32.22 | Znh | streuner: aight |
| 09:32.23 | dli | dondelelcaro, he got 293GB |
| 09:32.24 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: the lost 5GB is most likely in reserved inodes |
| 09:32.24 | marc7 | i'm trying to *completely* purge slapd from my system, but after doing an apt-get remove slapd, there must still be remenants of it existing, because upon doing an apt-get install slapd... it's skipping the setup and not installing some necessary files... is there anything in aptitude/dpkg* I'm missing? |
| 09:32.34 | dondelelcaro | dli: right, but I don't know where he's reading that number from. |
| 09:32.43 | cello_rasp | hm thank dondel. i am surprised fdisk showed it as 320GB |
| 09:32.51 | Debian | I have 2OS (win + Debian) and i delete Win from boot an UI cannot give it back |
| 09:32.58 | cello_rasp | dondel: gnome-system-monitor |
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| 09:33.05 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: df -h? |
| 09:33.06 | dli | dondelelcaro, by default ext3 uses 5% reserved |
| 09:33.06 | Debian | Can you paste me boot command to boot Win? |
| 09:33.09 | Znh | cello_rasp: fdisk is getting it from an different source perhaps |
| 09:33.31 | bibe | marc7 : did you try apt-get remove --purge, or aptitude purge? |
| 09:33.39 | dondelelcaro | dli: yeah, but if it's a 320 gigabyte drive, it's only 298 gibibytes. |
| 09:33.42 | marc7 | apt-get remove, without --purge |
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| 09:33.52 | marc7 | i'll give apti purge a shot |
| 09:34.05 | Eulex | Debian, root (hd0,1) savedefault makeactive chainloader +1 |
| 09:34.06 | bibe | marc7 : the --purge switch also removes configuration files |
| 09:34.07 | dli | dondelelcaro, the reserved should be 15GB, couldn't make the 5GB difference |
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| 09:34.27 | Eulex | Debian, but adjust (hd0,1) to match your windows partition |
| 09:34.29 | marc7 | bibe, thanks... still wrapping my head around this. glad i'm not doing this on production servers yet :) |
| 09:34.58 | Debian | thx a lot |
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| 09:35.21 | dli | dondelelcaro, I believe he reported that number by mistake |
| 09:35.32 | cello_rasp | damn i need to remember the commandline dli: gnome-system-monitor |
| 09:35.35 | bibe | marc7 : no problem... but be careful when using --purge on production servers |
| 09:35.52 | dli | cello_rasp, df -h |
| 09:36.06 | marc7 | check. just looking for that extra flag when I *do* need it |
| 09:36.17 | cello_rasp | thanks dli |
| 09:36.27 | dondelelcaro | dli: depends on what the setting was... that is totally configurable... |
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| 09:36.59 | dli | dondelelcaro, for jfs, there's no reserved |
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| 09:37.08 | cello_rasp | size: 294Gb avail: 279.. hmm |
| 09:37.35 | cello_rasp | 15Gb = 5% overhead |
| 09:37.55 | dondelelcaro | that's not an overhead... that's reserved blocks. |
| 09:37.58 | dli | cello_rasp, 294GB doesn't make 320GB hdd, any hiden partition? |
| 09:38.23 | dondelelcaro | !convert 320 gigabytes to gibibytes |
| 09:38.24 | dpkg | 320 gigabytes is approximately 298.023 gibibytes |
| 09:38.27 | cello_rasp | no, it is one partition the whole disk. slave as /home |
| 09:38.43 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: and the fdisk -l output for the disk? |
| 09:38.44 | cello_rasp | ahh. i see now |
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| 09:38.47 | dli | cello_rasp, that's weird :( |
| 09:39.06 | dli | cello_rasp, I hope it's not bad sectors on a brandnew disk |
| 09:39.31 | cello_rasp | used: 33M |
| 09:40.28 | cello_rasp | dli i doubt it, more the Giga to gibi, minus 5 percent |
| 09:41.20 | cello_rasp | damn the hardware industry, damn their eyes |
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| 09:42.03 | cello_rasp | i cant get fdisk -l even as su ... |
| 09:42.11 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: it's actually not a big deal; drive manufacturers are actually technically correct to report it in base 10 units; it's just that everyone else cares about base 2 units. |
| 09:42.28 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: uh... this is an i386 box, right? do you have fdisk installed? |
| 09:42.56 | cello_rasp | i386 i am fairly sure i used fdisk |
| 09:43.05 | cello_rasp | its there |
| 09:43.26 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: so what is it returning when you run fdisk -l /dev/hdb or whatever? |
| 09:43.48 | cello_rasp | 320.0 GB XD |
| 09:44.10 | cello_rasp | sry about that |
| 09:44.12 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: yes, but give us the whole output using #flood or the paster bot. |
| 09:44.14 | dli | cello_rasp, fdisk reports Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes |
| 09:44.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah, fdisk uses base 10 units... |
| 09:44.40 | cello_rasp | absurd! :) |
| 09:44.53 | dli | cello_rasp, you got 315Giga :) |
| 09:45.19 | cello_rasp | 312 blocks |
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| 09:45.57 | dli | cello_rasp, what's the number in bytes? |
| 09:46.18 | dli | cello_rasp, my 300GB is Disk /dev/hdb: 300.0 GB, 300069052416 bytes |
| 09:46.26 | cello_rasp | 320072933376 |
| 09:46.42 | dli | cello_rasp, then, something wrong |
| 09:46.42 | cello_rasp | 320GB supposedly |
| 09:47.00 | dli | cello_rasp, you should get 298GB |
| 09:47.27 | cello_rasp | in system monitor, 293GB |
| 09:47.42 | dli | cello_rasp, what's in "df -h" |
| 09:48.10 | cello_rasp | it is 294G |
| 09:48.20 | cello_rasp | avail 279G |
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| 09:48.56 | nosklo | wow people are speaking about 300gb hdds!!! |
| 09:49.09 | ma3x | hi, when someone ftps to my proftpd, it's incredibly slow. is this due to the delay engine? |
| 09:49.11 | dli | cello_rasp, can you paste the line from df -h |
| 09:49.16 | cello_rasp | actually i am wondering what the device tmpfs is and why i need a temp file system |
| 09:49.22 | ma3x | nosklo, what about them, piece a crap |
| 09:49.29 | dli | nosklo, 300GB is $100 |
| 09:49.38 | SimonRaven | just more to crash and burn when the head crashes |
| 09:49.40 | Nemoi | I'm trying to compile a source tarball and when I do 'make' I get "Kernel source is not configured". What does that mean? I've installed and configured (though not compiled) the sources for my running kernel version |
| 09:49.41 | FinnTux | ma3x, you mean logging takes a long time? |
| 09:49.44 | nosklo | here, $100 is 80GB |
| 09:49.55 | ma3x | FinnTux, logging in, and then listing... and everything |
| 09:50.01 | nosklo | max i have avaliable is 200gb |
| 09:50.03 | dli | nosklo, I mean u.s. $ |
| 09:50.03 | ma3x | FinnTux, it's like one command takes 10 secs or more |
| 09:50.14 | nosklo | dli, me too |
| 09:50.33 | nkuttler | Nemoi: umm... /msg dpkg kp, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
| 09:50.34 | cello_rasp | \ /dev/hdb1 294G 33M 279G 1% /home |
| 09:50.36 | streuner | nosklo: 80 gig some pr0n, 300 gigs more pr0n ;-) |
| 09:51.17 | streuner | but keep in mind, 300 Gigs HD are not that cheap nowadays |
| 09:51.32 | dli | nosklo, what's run with that? technologies make people happier |
| 09:51.34 | cello_rasp | so you make it into a separate slave. this onne cost about 95 UKP :) |
| 09:51.41 | FinnTux | ma3x, ok. I had IdentLookups in /etc/proftpd.conf in mind |
| 09:51.51 | nosklo | i just realized again that in my country we pay hi prices for what is already trash out there |
| 09:51.56 | FinnTux | ma3x, but it affects only logging in |
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| 09:52.18 | dli | cello_rasp, can you pastebin your fdisk -l? |
| 09:52.22 | cello_rasp | 500 Gb is now available but a still at the top of the price list |
| 09:52.42 | cello_rasp | sure dli |
| 09:52.54 | ma3x | FinnTux, not only logging in , but listing and transfer as well |
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| 09:53.31 | Nemoi | nkuttler: Thank you |
| 09:54.02 | FinnTux | ma3x, yep, I got it. Sorry, don't knowwhat is wrong |
| 09:54.26 | nosklo | i still have a 14 inch CRT monitor, 15inch LCDs are so expensive, that i could by another box |
| 09:54.37 | nosklo | *buy |
| 09:54.44 | dli | nosklo, which country? |
| 09:54.50 | nosklo | dli, brazil |
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| 09:54.57 | cello_rasp | dli http://pastebin.com/476420 |
| 09:55.14 | dli | nosklo, considering selling hdds to brazil :) |
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| 09:56.14 | nosklo | dli, considering purchasing on your hand |
| 09:56.22 | nosklo | dli, sell me hardware ;) |
| 09:56.33 | dli | cello_rasp, don't fool us any more :( you have so many small partitions, and asked us to figure out 5GB |
| 09:57.04 | nosklo | cello_rasp, this is df -h, not fdisk -l |
| 09:57.18 | cello_rasp | argh i am a fool! |
| 09:57.20 | dli | nosklo, I got my 300GB hdds $124/ea, months ago |
| 09:57.36 | azeem | dli: only hdb1 is on the harddisk we are talking about |
| 09:57.36 | caphuso | a 45MiB /tmp? |
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| 09:58.19 | nosklo | dli, i got a 120GB HDD last week, $115 |
| 09:58.27 | nosklo | dli, and this was CHEAP |
| 09:58.32 | nosklo | dli, around here |
| 09:58.54 | dli | nosklo, that doesn't make sense? the market is run by mafia? |
| 09:59.08 | SimonRaven | legalised mafia |
| 09:59.16 | cello_rasp | ok i pri=omise that this is fdisk -h /dev/hdb http://pastebin.com/476423 |
| 09:59.27 | dli | azeem, oh, I realized that |
| 09:59.28 | cello_rasp | damn that was dumb. |
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| 09:59.55 | nosklo | dli, importation taxes maybe? |
| 10:00.19 | cello_rasp | caphuso: good point.. how big should it be? |
| 10:00.50 | nosklo | dli, i got a notebook toshiba tecra s2, centrino 1.6 60GBHDD 512MB ram last month... $1300!! |
| 10:01.45 | cello_rasp | i was just *given* a 2.66Ghz 512Mb .. only problem is the drive or ide bus is dead and it is a sony vaio |
| 10:02.06 | cello_rasp | ubuntu live works nicely though |
| 10:02.33 | doubleukay | how do i move LVM logical extents? e.g. shift a logical volume towards higher physical extents |
| 10:02.37 | caphuso | cello_rasp: with a 300GiB drive in the system? large, just to be on the safe side |
| 10:02.46 | dli | nosklo, the toshiba sounds okay to me :( |
| 10:03.02 | caphuso | hell, you could use 10GiB for /tmp and would never notice |
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| 10:03.27 | cello_rasp | ah no i notice every single bit of porn i cant store |
| 10:03.51 | caphuso | cello_rasp: no, you don't. not unless the disk dies and you end up with 300GiB of dead data |
| 10:05.11 | cello_rasp | i hope not! it is brand new. and that is 29* Gb in reality ;___; |
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| 10:06.21 | cello_rasp | thanks for the help |
| 10:06.44 | cello_rasp | dli what did you think of http://pastebin.com/476423 |
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| 10:07.47 | Eulex | could anyone here who has got the mozilla flash plugin try accessing http://video2.spreadfirefox.com/? it tells me that it requires the flash plugin, even though I have it installed and working. |
| 10:07.50 | dli | cello_rasp, the fdisk -l is correct |
| 10:08.40 | dli | cello_rasp, can you pastebin, "df" |
| 10:08.47 | caphuso | make that "df -T" |
| 10:09.12 | dli | caphuso, df is "df -k", I think |
| 10:09.38 | caphuso | dli: so? |
| 10:09.38 | Diddymus | Eulex: seems fine to me |
| 10:09.47 | cello_rasp | http://pastebin.com/476432 |
| 10:10.59 | Eulex | Diddymus, hmm. flash seems to have been disabled in some way... *investigates* |
| 10:11.38 | hhhaar | can anyone use google reader to listen to podcast using their flash player in linux? |
| 10:11.39 | dli | cello_rasp, that's the problem, in your df, you have 307663800 |
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| 10:12.22 | dli | cello_rasp, it should be close to 312568641 |
| 10:12.36 | dli | cello_rasp, that's the problem of 5GB |
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| 10:13.03 | cello_rasp | 5Gb problem? |
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| 10:13.25 | cello_rasp | yes. so even in Giga-bytes (not gibibytes) is it not 320GB |
| 10:13.38 | dli | cello_rasp, it is 320giga |
| 10:13.53 | dli | cello_rasp, it's still 320giga in your partition table |
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| 10:14.20 | dli | cello_rasp, it suddenly becomes 315giga in your filesystem |
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| 10:14.55 | cello_rasp | that is, 307 1k blocks |
| 10:15.06 | cello_rasp | so it is still quite a mystery! |
| 10:15.07 | dli | cello_rasp, if possible, try to make another filesystem |
| 10:15.19 | dli | cello_rasp, I think mkfs is there to blame |
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| 10:15.41 | dli | cello_rasp, there's no reason for it to miss 5GB |
| 10:16.13 | cello_rasp | i will need walking through that |
| 10:16.51 | cello_rasp | how would i start to make a new filesystem on the disk? |
| 10:17.11 | dli | cello_rasp, that means to format the partition |
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| 10:17.38 | drivamgr2006 | morning all. |
| 10:18.14 | dli | cello_rasp, since you are using ext3, try to make another filesystem, just for testing, save your "df" results |
| 10:19.44 | FinnTux | cello_rasp, by default, mke2fs reserves 5% of the diskspace for root |
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| 10:20.01 | FinnTux | cello_rasp, not sure i it shows in df though |
| 10:20.12 | FinnTux | if* |
| 10:20.15 | Trewas | cello_rasp: I just looked at a ext3 filesystem and 1.5% of the partition capacity seems to disappear to filesystem overhead (not reserved to root or anything) |
| 10:20.23 | drivamgr2006 | I am finally up and running with a WORKING debian system. After 36 hours, much fiddling and 2 reinstalls, I have got a gui, which is gnome based (would have preferred kde, but dont know how to change it), and a working mouse and keyboard! Ayone can tell me how to change the window manager though? I would like it kde if possible... |
| 10:20.40 | jm_ | apt-get install kde |
| 10:20.44 | Trewas | so 315GB (SI-units) seems to be very close to what should be expected from 320GB partition |
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| 10:20.57 | cello_rasp | wow. i will heve to experiment. woo back to ntfs i go! ;) |
| 10:21.22 | dli | cello_rasp, no ntfs :( |
| 10:21.26 | drivamgr2006 | thanks jm_ - then, once i apt-get install kde, how do I make it load kde instead of gnome? |
| 10:21.32 | dli | cello_rasp, I use jfs on my 300GB hdd |
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| 10:21.46 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, install kde, then choose it at the gdm login |
| 10:21.59 | dli | drivamgr2006, use gdm or kdm, you can select your sessions from a menu |
| 10:21.59 | cello_rasp | yeah i was thinking about jfs.. |
| 10:22.06 | cello_rasp | dli is there much overhead? |
| 10:22.31 | jm_ | drivamgr2006: it will be default if you tell kdm that it should be default DM |
| 10:22.31 | dli | cello_rasp, jfs doesn't reserve anything |
| 10:22.40 | dli | cello_rasp, everything is dynamic |
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| 10:23.04 | drivamgr2006 | I am using kdm now, so I will go ahead and apt-get install kde now. Thanks jm_ Eulex and dli ->> without most of you here, I would still be faffing around in command line! |
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| 10:23.17 | Trewas | dli: but every filesystem has some overhead because it has to store file-names, permissions etcetc somewhere, also if it has journal it takes some space |
| 10:23.49 | Trewas | though I have no idea if ext3 has higher overhead than some other filesystems |
| 10:23.57 | cello_rasp | (hehe i heave not heard 'faffing' outside of my family) |
| 10:24.22 | dli | Trewas, we are talking about reserved vs dynamic, not what's the actual usuage |
| 10:24.35 | caphuso | Trewas: it has a higher overhead than filesystems with dynamic inode creation |
| 10:24.45 | Trewas | ok :) |
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| 10:25.51 | stew | you'd never get me to use a possibly lest trustworthy filesystem just squeeze a little more space out of a huge drive |
| 10:26.01 | drivamgr2006 | I just tried apt-get install kde and it said KDE Is already the newest version. Does that mean I have already installed it? |
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| 10:27.00 | meneg | hello, how do i set the timezone the 'debian way'? |
| 10:27.02 | blaamann | drivamgr2006: probably, test and see |
| 10:27.09 | caphuso | meneg: tzconfig |
| 10:27.14 | stew | drivamgr2006: yes |
| 10:27.20 | drivamgr2006 | thanks stew |
| 10:27.42 | dli | stew: not really, he lost 5GB for no apparent reason |
| 10:27.47 | meneg | thanks carphuso |
| 10:28.15 | dli | stew: better to test with mkfs -c before using it |
| 10:28.16 | caphuso | dli: that's what stew just said, isn't it? |
| 10:28.27 | cello_rasp | hmm.. it seems jfs demands defragging |
| 10:29.06 | dli | caphuso, no, my guess is bad sectors on a brand new disk |
| 10:29.18 | stew | dli: did he do a surface test? |
| 10:29.26 | cello_rasp | nope |
| 10:29.46 | stew | then i doubt 5g of bad sectors were marked already |
| 10:30.26 | caphuso | if his new disk does show bad sectors, then he's got far worse problems than his filesystem size |
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| 10:30.51 | dli | caphuso, that's my point :( it's not about the 5GB, but why |
| 10:30.52 | caphuso | most prominently: figuring out how to get a replacement |
| 10:31.00 | Arun333 | hello |
| 10:31.09 | Arun333 | ive gotta a bootable debiandvd |
| 10:31.24 | Arun333 | how can i convert it to bootable cds |
| 10:31.31 | Arun333 | i dont hav a dvd rom |
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| 10:31.53 | dli | cello_rasp, mkfs with another fs might tell you something, make sure to add surface checking |
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| 10:34.08 | stew | dli: what is it we are trying to figure out then? |
| 10:34.09 | intx | how do you flush the entries in ip_conntrack? |
| 10:34.35 | caphuso | stew: heh, i've been wondering that for more than half an hour |
| 10:35.14 | dli | stew: most likely bad sectors, unless he hit a software bug in mkfs.ext3 |
| 10:35.27 | caphuso | dli: where the fuck did you get the idea with bad sectors from? |
| 10:35.29 | cello_rasp | well i appreciate the help a lot guys |
| 10:35.36 | caphuso | and what makes you think there'd be a bug? |
| 10:35.39 | stew | dli: what is the symptom? |
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| 10:35.47 | dli | caphuso, language |
| 10:35.47 | caphuso | there's nothing to indicate either |
| 10:35.58 | caphuso | dli: it's called "english" |
| 10:36.17 | dli | stew: the filesystem size mismatch reported in the partition table |
| 10:36.35 | caphuso | dli: what has one to do with the other? |
| 10:36.46 | stew | dli: mismatch between the partition size and what size? |
| 10:36.53 | stew | dli: the drive size? |
| 10:37.01 | cello_rasp | it wasnt a matter of conversion from base 10 to base 2 |
| 10:37.10 | dli | stew: the partition size in partition table |
| 10:37.16 | stew | cello_rasp: that is always a lossless conversion |
| 10:37.17 | caphuso | fdisk reports how much raw space is on the disk. df reports how much you can effectively store in the filesystem. you can't expect those to be the same |
| 10:37.27 | dli | stew: you only expect mismatch of MBs not GB |
| 10:37.45 | caphuso | due to, as has been pointed out, filesystem overhead |
| 10:38.15 | stew | dli: mismatch between the partition size and the parition size in the partition table? i don't know what the difference is, but i definately don't see how what filesystem you put on a partition could have anything to do with it |
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| 10:39.21 | dli | stew: if you don't see any reason, you don't see any reason against it either |
| 10:39.32 | azeem | if there would be bad blocks, checking SMARTS data would be much more convenient |
| 10:39.39 | stew | dli: reason for what? |
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| 10:39.41 | azeem | s/would be/were/ |
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| 10:39.56 | cello_rasp | you cant just put raw data on a disk, you need pointers and so forth |
| 10:39.57 | Arun333 | is there anyway to convert bootable dvd to bootable cd |
| 10:40.06 | dli | stew: mkfs with another filesystem |
| 10:40.27 | dli | Arun333, why not just download the cd image? |
| 10:40.29 | caphuso | dli: and that's supposed to show what? |
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| 10:40.39 | Arun333 | im on a dial up |
| 10:40.52 | dli | caphuso, answer your question, filesystem overhead |
| 10:41.05 | stew | dli: what are you trying to figure out? you have said you are trying to figure out the difference between the size of the partition and the size of the partition in the partition table, what does that have to do with filesystems? |
| 10:41.14 | caphuso | dli: well, but that has already been answered |
| 10:41.44 | Arun333 | dli:i hav the dvd with me |
| 10:41.51 | dli | caphuso, no, dondelelcaro tried, but couldn't make the numbers sound |
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| 10:42.01 | Arun333 | dli:can u convert a bootable dvd to bootable cds |
| 10:42.03 | stew | dli: or are you trying to figure out the difference between the parittion size and the freespace after a filesystem was put on there? |
| 10:42.21 | cello_rasp | thats right stew. the partition is the only one on the drive. there must be some reason for a discrepancy than that could be fs overhead |
| 10:42.29 | dli | Arun333, you can build your own installation :( |
| 10:42.46 | Arun333 | dli:wat should i do for that |
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| 10:43.03 | dli | dpkg tell Arun333 about d-i |
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| 10:43.37 | Arun333 | dpkg:hi |
| 10:43.37 | dpkg | hola |
| 10:44.00 | mishmash | guys, my boot record is damaged, how can i repair it? |
| 10:44.04 | dli | Arun333, I think the debian docs cover building d-i somewhere :) |
| 10:44.12 | stew | cello_rasp: the inodes have been pre-created, and they take up space |
| 10:44.19 | stew | mishmash: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 10:44.24 | dli | mishmash, maybe, you mean grub-install ? |
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| 10:44.52 | Arun333 | dli:actually im to convert these from one of my friends who has the dvd rom |
| 10:44.56 | caphuso | dli: ok, if i take the 307663800 blocks reported by cello_rasp's df and multiply with the 1.01597136064 i got from comparing partition and filesystem size of my /home, i get 312577609.506 |
| 10:44.58 | mishmash | i've had debian running, but on a faulty disk, so i used symantec ghost to create a disk copy to my new disk |
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| 10:45.04 | Arun333 | dli:and he has only windows xp |
| 10:45.12 | caphuso | dli: and you said earlier: 11:12 dli> cello_rasp, it should be close to 312568641 |
| 10:45.15 | mishmash | only now i get a couple of thousand lines with GRUB in it |
| 10:45.22 | Arun333 | dli:is it possible to create bootable cds from xp |
| 10:45.24 | dli | caphuso, didn't we say 5GB issue? |
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| 10:46.18 | stew | cello_rasp: how many indodes does "df -i" report? and what total size does "df" report? |
| 10:46.25 | cello_rasp | you may have have the same % of fs overhead yourself, caphuso :) |
| 10:46.38 | dli | Arun333, never tried that :( you may want to borrow a DVD-ROM, much easier |
| 10:46.56 | caphuso | 312577609 307663800 - 1024 2 ** / => 4.68617343902588 |
| 10:47.12 | caphuso | 4.6GiB. close enough to 5GB |
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| 10:47.43 | Arun333 | dli:i dont think i can getta a dvd rom |
| 10:48.17 | dli | Arun333, order some debian CDs online |
| 10:48.54 | dondelelcaro | dli: the only number I gave was the differential between gigabytes and gibibytes. That has nothing to do with filesystem overhead. |
| 10:48.57 | Arun333 | dli:i want u convert the dvd to cds..how can i accomplish that |
| 10:49.08 | cello_rasp | df -i: inodes 39075840; df: 1K-blocks 307663800 (available 292000332) |
| 10:49.21 | dli | dondelelcaro, right, you mentioned 298GB :( but he got 293GB |
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| 10:50.02 | cello_rasp | interestingly i have 39075631 free inodes ... hmm |
| 10:50.11 | dli | dondelelcaro, and the 5% reserved inode table (15GB) |
| 10:50.50 | dondelelcaro | dli: that just shows up as a differnetial between the used space and the availablee space; the rest is inode table overhead. |
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| 10:50.57 | cello_rasp | ext3 :| |
| 10:51.29 | Arun333 | dli:......... |
| 10:52.02 | cello_rasp | do i need to unmount before i mkfs? |
| 10:52.09 | dondelelcaro | cello_rasp: yes. |
| 10:52.22 | Arun333 | dli:is it possible to boot from my hard disk |
| 10:52.26 | dondelelcaro | running mkfs on a mounted filesystem will cause all sorts of freaky problems. |
| 10:52.48 | cello_rasp | hee |
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| 10:52.48 | dli | Arun333, yes, you can install from hdd |
| 10:53.15 | intx | is sarge compatible with kernel 2.6 yet? |
| 10:53.20 | Arun333 | dli:i can copy the contents of the cd to my hdd by spitiing it into cds |
| 10:53.24 | stew | cello_rasp: if you have ext3 on there, i don't recommend you replace it. i don't think you actually have a problem |
| 10:53.44 | streuner | intx: sarge has serveral 2.6.x kernels |
| 10:53.57 | cello_rasp | stew bbut overhead ;___; |
| 10:54.10 | dli | Arun333, read the debian installation docs, I never did that myself :( |
| 10:54.37 | dli | cello_rasp, hold on, maybe, it's natural for ext3 |
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| 10:54.45 | Arun333 | dli:i now windows......... |
| 10:54.49 | cello_rasp | it cannot hurt to try jfs? |
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| 10:55.00 | Arun333 | dli:how safe is it to try it out |
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| 10:55.09 | dli | cello_rasp, okay, mk.jfs is fast |
| 10:55.14 | EuroNews | http://217.9.231.6 |
| 10:55.24 | azeem | EuroNews: stop that |
| 10:55.30 | EuroNews | ok |
| 10:55.34 | EuroNews | join here |
| 10:55.35 | EuroNews | please |
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| 10:55.41 | streuner | intx: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 10:55.43 | Arun333 | dli:,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 10:55.44 | stew | cello_rasp: and you want to try jfs because it has less overhead when it has no files on it? do you know how ext3 and jfs compare with inode overhead when they are both full? (becuase that's when the overhead actually matters, not when the filesystems are empty) |
| 10:55.46 | dli | Arun333, if you have some free disk space (unpartitioned), it can not hurt |
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| 10:56.00 | cello_rasp | thanks :) yeah ext3 is good.. i cant help but wonder if there are frag problems with jfs |
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| 10:56.12 | cello_rasp | aaaaaaah stew you speak words of wisdom |
| 10:56.26 | Arun333 | dli:i might hav to burn 15 cds for this |
| 10:57.29 | cello_rasp | my heart is broken but hey welcome to the world of measurements |
| 10:58.12 | cello_rasp | i will stick with ext3 because it is safe :) |
| 10:58.18 | dli | Arun333, no DVD, no fast net :( |
| 10:58.44 | dli | cello_rasp, I checked with some of my ext3 partitions |
| 10:58.45 | Arun333 | dli:no dvd rom....no broadband.......only cdrom.....windows |
| 10:59.39 | dli | cello_rasp, 113531323 in fdisk, but 111748288 in df, 1.5% difference |
| 10:59.47 | Guerin | Arun333: noody needs to burn 15 cds |
| 10:59.59 | Guerin | nobody |
| 11:00.01 | Guerin | even |
| 11:00.08 | dli | cello_rasp, that makes 5GB for you. should be correct for ext3 |
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| 11:00.31 | dli | Arun333, order ubuntu CDs :) they are free |
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| 11:00.54 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:01.00 | cello_rasp | dli you cant get the whole ubuntu repo set though :( |
| 11:01.10 | Guerin | or just download one or two debian cds, and never ened anything else |
| 11:01.24 | Guerin | cello_rasp: not that you'd want universe |
| 11:01.26 | dli | cello_rasp, oh, then, order debian cds :( |
| 11:01.28 | Guerin | and multiverse |
| 11:01.43 | Guerin | that's like burning sid snapshots to disk ... oh wait, idiots doo that too |
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| 11:01.49 | Guerin | and sell them |
| 11:01.52 | cello_rasp | heheh |
| 11:01.58 | Guerin | and even BIGGER idiots buy them |
| 11:02.18 | cello_rasp | Guerin: you would want multivers and universe for mp3 playing, audacity, etc etc |
| 11:02.28 | cello_rasp | lots of stuff |
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| 11:02.40 | Guerin | cello_rasp: not really |
| 11:02.41 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 11:02.41 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 11:02.51 | Guerin | cello_rasp: the internet sti-ll exists, even if it is slow |
| 11:02.51 | azeem | if you'd need universe a lot, Debian is probably better for you |
| 11:02.59 | dli | cello_rasp, most my disks are in reiserfs and jfs, didn't realize the extra 1.5% overhead with ext3, but it's good to know |
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| 11:03.29 | dli | cello_rasp, the total overhead is 6.5% for ext3 :( |
| 11:03.48 | cello_rasp | well as stew says you will get overhead with reiser and jfs, except ext3 reserves them beforehand, not after |
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| 11:04.21 | dli | cello_rasp, right, dynamic is still better |
| 11:04.46 | cello_rasp | azeem if you need ubuntu you probably cant handle debian XD |
| 11:05.28 | cello_rasp | dli: i think you are right |
| 11:06.01 | azeem | it does not warrant using a less-well proven file system though, IMHO |
| 11:06.23 | stew | not losing data is better. reiser is notorious for losing data. jfs is an unknown becuase hardly anyone has used it (and therefore tested it) compared to ext3 |
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| 11:07.31 | cello_rasp | considering that i want to keep files securely i will eat up any overhead in favour of a good track record |
| 11:07.58 | xinming | hmm, bye way, Do I need to restart X if I was doing upgrade which will upgrade X related things? |
| 11:08.07 | faked | is it not possible to control the cpu-frequency with linux-image-2.6.14-2-686? either cpufreqd nor cpudyn is working. What can I do the get them working? |
| 11:08.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
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| 11:08.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:08.44 | jinglemouse | I am trying to launch any music program and it says'OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program' any idea how i could go about finding the problem? |
| 11:08.48 | dli | faked, is it supported by your hardware? |
| 11:08.56 | tarzeau | jinglemouse: fuser -k /dev/dsp |
| 11:09.22 | dli | jinglemouse, install a sound daemon |
| 11:09.24 | faked | dli: sure, I used cpufreqd a few month ago. |
| 11:09.27 | xinming | hmm, Or do I have to stop X server |
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| 11:09.39 | cello_rasp | hehehe 1 guy running a ppc64 |
| 11:09.47 | dli | faked: modprobe cpufreq_userspace |
| 11:09.56 | jinglemouse | I will have to try new to debian. Managed to install it 2 days ago after six months of trying! |
| 11:09.58 | dli | faked, apt-get install powernowd |
| 11:10.15 | stew | faked: what cpu do you have? |
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| 11:10.32 | jinglemouse | Amd athlon |
| 11:10.34 | dli | jinglemouse, apt-get install esd :) |
| 11:10.38 | faked | dli: I have a centrino. modprobe cpufreq_userspace didn't work |
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| 11:10.55 | stew | faked: do you have speedstep_centrino loaded? |
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| 11:11.51 | Eulex | stew & faked, for 2.6.14 you use the acpi-cpufreq module, not speedstep-centrino |
| 11:11.52 | faked | stew: that's it, speedstep_centrino wasn't loaded. thank you stew and dli ! |
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| 11:12.10 | LaoTseu | hi |
| 11:12.27 | jinglemouse | Is esd a package |
| 11:12.34 | faked | Eulex: I should use acpi-cpufreq instead of speedstep-centrino? |
| 11:12.48 | Eulex | faked, it's supposed to work better in some cases |
| 11:12.55 | Eulex | jinglemouse, no |
| 11:13.05 | faked | Eulex: ahh, fine, thank you, I'll try it. |
| 11:13.16 | LaoTseu | i'm looking for a small ascii debian logo, i didn't found something on the web does someone have an idea ? |
| 11:13.19 | Eulex | faked, especially with newer centrinos |
| 11:13.27 | dli | jinglemouse, apt-get install esound :( |
| 11:13.42 | faked | Eulex: I have an old one :( |
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| 11:13.54 | Frosted | LaoTseu, http://www.deater.net/weave/vmwprod/asm/ll.html |
| 11:14.12 | Frosted | err, I guess that's ansi :P |
| 11:14.16 | dli | Eulex, you can install both, right? |
| 11:14.37 | Eulex | dli, I doubt that you could load both at the same time |
| 11:15.02 | Eulex | LaoTseu, there's a nice debian ascii logo in the ircd-hybrid package (as default motd, I think) |
| 11:15.11 | dli | Eulex, no idea, I use cpufreq_userspace and amd powernow |
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| 11:16.04 | LaoTseu | i'm looking for one i could put in my signature so it's why i'd like to find a small one |
| 11:16.10 | jinglemouse | esound already installed! still giving prob |
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| 11:16.44 | dli | jinglemouse, use fuser to find the PID which is using /dev/dsp |
| 11:16.45 | Eulex | dli, I did too until yesterday. then I tried out using cpufreq-ondemand instead. Has a *lot* less latency. There's almost no delay between that softare needs more power and my cpu increasing in speed |
| 11:16.58 | jinglemouse | fuser |
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| 11:17.51 | dli | Eulex, indeed ondemand is just one of userspace policies |
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| 11:18.27 | Eulex | LaoTseu, oh, that one I was thinking of wasn't small. you could browse the debian-user archives and see if anybody has such a logo. I think I've seen one. |
| 11:18.31 | xsdg | what's a CD player app that supports doing the "I need to rip this CD to 'play' it" trick? |
| 11:18.57 | Eulex | dli, powernowd + userspace does virtually the same as ondemand does, only that ondemand does it with a lot less latency |
| 11:19.02 | xsdg | LaoTseu: I've seen a bunch on debian mailing lists |
| 11:19.04 | tarzeau | xsdg: why not just use opencubicplayer? |
| 11:19.15 | Eulex | xsdg, try abcde. |
| 11:19.16 | tarzeau | xsdg: you probably mean cdparanoia |
| 11:19.19 | dli | Eulex, do you mean I can remove powernowd? |
| 11:19.20 | xsdg | tarzeau: huh? |
| 11:19.24 | LaoTseu | xsdg: bunch ? (don't speak english very well) |
| 11:19.33 | xsdg | LaoTseu: a number, a variety |
| 11:19.34 | dli | Eulex, sounds reasonable to me |
| 11:19.39 | LaoTseu | ok |
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| 11:19.53 | xsdg | tarzeau, Eulex: I know what I'm talking about, and I don't mean cdparanoia or any software that uses it |
| 11:19.54 | Eulex | dli, ondemand is a little bit harder to set up, though. |
| 11:20.05 | Eulex | xsdg, why? |
| 11:20.08 | jinglemouse | I killed the process but still no sound. sorry pretty new to everything here! |
| 11:20.14 | nipagini | hi there, i have a serious problem. I crypted my home partition with dm_crypt. Today i pressed reset during the first boot. during the next boot, home couldn't be mounted anymore, and my /dev/mapper/home is lost. dmsetup ls give me No devices found |
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| 11:20.18 | LaoTseu | i don't know what to search exactly ... i've browsed archives but it seems to be difficult to find one |
| 11:20.21 | LaoTseu | :( |
| 11:20.23 | xsdg | tarzeau, Eulex: I want to play a CD in real time, but I don't have an audio cable. This is how all recent macs play audio CDs |
| 11:20.29 | nipagini | is there any chance to get my data back? or is everything lost |
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| 11:20.34 | dli | Eulex, if I stop powernowd, the clock goes back to 100% |
| 11:20.40 | tarzeau | xsdg: you can use opencubicplayer to play that CD |
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| 11:20.52 | Eulex | xsdg, ah. try xmms |
| 11:20.58 | dli | Eulex, what do you mean? I just choose ondemand as built-in |
| 11:21.04 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: I usually do cdda2wav, but it's difficult to choose tracks :o) |
| 11:21.29 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: ah... yeah, cdparanoia can... |
| 11:21.38 | Eulex | dli, as I said, you'll have to set it up. install cpufrequtils, modprobe cpufreq-ondemand and do cpufreq-set -g ondemand |
| 11:21.39 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: but it's a bit cumbersome sometimes... |
| 11:21.46 | vivichu_pioja | alguien habla español? |
| 11:21.49 | Eulex | !es |
| 11:21.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:22.35 | Eulex | dli, this has to be done at every boot too, so you'll have to create a script in /etc/init.d and link it into something like /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 11:23.23 | dli | Eulex, great, it works |
| 11:23.28 | dli | Eulex, thanks |
| 11:23.45 | Eulex | dli, yw |
| 11:23.45 | xsdg | Eulex: does cpufreq-set not just poke at a sysctl? |
| 11:24.11 | Eulex | xsdg, it does. you could echo a few things too to get the same effect. |
| 11:24.28 | nikotto | is aptitude in testing broken? i can't install it (a dist-upgrade just deleted it) |
| 11:24.51 | xsdg | Eulex: I was thinking you could stick something in /etc/sysctl.conf to avoid having to make a script, then |
| 11:25.18 | Eulex | xsdg, true. I thought of that too, but I didn't know what to put there. |
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| 11:26.05 | Eulex | xsdg, you'd need to echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:26.17 | xsdg | oh... sysfs, that's right |
| 11:26.27 | xsdg | don't think sysctl.conf will do that, then |
| 11:26.41 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 11:26.54 | dli | Eulex, /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils is installed by the package |
| 11:27.12 | Eulex | dli, ah. |
| 11:27.44 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 11:27.48 | dli | Eulex, vi /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
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| 11:27.54 | Eulex | dli, yep |
| 11:28.12 | Daffy-PKF | is there a way to boot on a bootable cdrom image? from grub or something else... |
| 11:28.33 | xsdg | tarzeau: how do I use opencp to play a cd? |
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| 11:28.49 | dli | Eulex, looks like you only need to make enable as true |
| 11:28.56 | xsdg | Daffy-PKF: grub can definitely do it |
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| 11:29.09 | Daffy-PKF | xsdg> how? |
| 11:29.10 | tarzeau | xsdg: go to the bottom and enter cdrom: |
| 11:29.14 | Eulex | dli, ya. time to delete that little script I write... |
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| 11:29.29 | xsdg | aah |
| 11:29.31 | tarzeau | xsdg: then the linux device name of the cdrom and it should be there. if not it's a bug solved in the rc3 or 0.1.4 release of ocp |
| 11:29.36 | dli | Eulex, time for me to remove powernowd |
| 11:29.52 | tarzeau | xsdg: press m in the player to change volume of the mixer |
| 11:30.47 | jinglemouse | Are there any drivers/ detectors / progs for usb bluetooth? |
| 11:30.48 | Eulex | dli, one daemon less always feels good :)) |
| 11:31.16 | faked | jinglemouse: install bluez-utils |
| 11:31.19 | xsdg | tarzeau: looks like it's trying to play it the standard way (that is; it's telling the drive "play audio" instead of ripping it) |
| 11:31.32 | tarzeau | xsdg: i see |
| 11:31.38 | dli | Eulex, right, power should be handled by kernel :( not a daemon |
| 11:31.43 | tarzeau | xsdg: you could ask for another way in #ocp |
| 11:32.00 | tarzeau | xsdg: it's plugin based, and two new ones were developped lately |
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| 11:32.32 | Eulex | dli, the kernel even handles it better (in my case, ymmv) -- stuff like moving windows felt much smoother after starting to use ondemand |
| 11:33.07 | xsdg | tarzeau: ok |
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| 11:33.49 | bcc | what's the name of the package for the gnetload applet? |
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| 11:34.21 | bonz | gcc under sid work yet? |
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| 11:34.58 | tarzeau | sure |
| 11:34.59 | Eulex | bcc, netmon-applet |
| 11:35.15 | tarzeau | even gcc 4.1 (from experimental) in sid work for me |
| 11:35.22 | bcc | Eulex:thanks |
| 11:35.23 | tarzeau | !seen djpig |
| 11:35.24 | dpkg | djpig <djpig@fphfslinux.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 151d 12h 3m 20s ago, saying: 'Overfiend: ic'. |
| 11:35.52 | jinglemouse | bluez is already installed. but cannot find any icon or anything to find it or use it. |
| 11:36.06 | stew | jinglemouse: do you use kde or gnome? |
| 11:36.11 | bonz | tarzeau: cool last time I tried 4.0 it was borked so I rolled back a few versions a while back |
| 11:36.17 | jinglemouse | gnome |
| 11:36.46 | stew | jinglemouse: there is kdebluetooth for kde, i don't know if there is a gnome equivalant |
| 11:37.27 | stew | jinglemouse: otherwise you might have to use the command line tools |
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| 11:38.42 | jinglemouse | like? Where can I find descriptions of command lines? |
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| 11:39.02 | tarzeau | jinglemouse: which command/ |
| 11:39.20 | tarzeau | jinglemouse: there are info pages, manual pages, online help (interactive command line tools), command line help outputs |
| 11:39.35 | tarzeau | jinglemouse: homepage docuementation, tutorials, manuals, introductions |
| 11:39.40 | jinglemouse | Since I am new to all this, any command line will do?!! |
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| 11:39.51 | tarzeau | !confuse jinglemouse |
| 11:39.51 | dpkg | No, them was their mushroom today, jinglemouse? wellies of the republic of mongolia with extra cream |
| 11:40.09 | bcc | Eulex: that's not the one for gnetload |
| 11:41.05 | Eulex | bcc, sorry, it seemed like it: "GNOME2 Network Load Applet" |
| 11:41.15 | jinglemouse | Sorry! Old msdos man |
| 11:41.35 | Eulex | jinglemouse, try man command, man -j keyword etc |
| 11:41.42 | bcc | Eulex: yep, there are a few that do the same thing, but not that one |
| 11:42.04 | stew | jinglemouse: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:42.14 | stew | jinglemouse: i mean what bluetooth devices are you trying to connect to? |
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| 11:43.22 | trustno1 | man -j ? |
| 11:43.23 | stew | jinglemouse: "hciconfig -a" should list local devices, "hcitool scan" will look for nearby devices, to connect there is "hcitool cc" and hciattach. they all have manpages |
| 11:43.33 | trustno1 | thought it was man -k |
| 11:43.48 | stew | jinglemouse: but i suggest you google for a page that describes someone using the same device you are trying to use and see what they did with these tools |
| 11:44.03 | Eulex | trustno1, it is... *typo* |
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| 11:48.26 | eeaaxx | anybody knows how to cd write in debian sarge? |
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| 11:49.42 | dli | eeaaxx, apt-get install k3b |
| 11:50.41 | eeaaxx | dli: ok. but when i try the cdrecord -blank it does not blank a cdrw |
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| 11:51.34 | stew | eeaaxx: cdrecord blank=help |
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| 11:51.37 | vovka__ | hi all! |
| 11:51.39 | xNinja | hello |
| 11:51.44 | vovka__ | i have another problem 8-) |
| 11:51.46 | xNinja | wich is the most stable debian version |
| 11:51.51 | vovka__ | with qmail bynow |
| 11:52.12 | xNinja | debian sarge 3.1 ? |
| 11:52.25 | stew | xNinja: yes |
| 11:52.30 | Eulex | xNinja, yes. 3.1 r1 to be specific |
| 11:52.30 | xNinja | ook |
| 11:52.34 | vovka__ | who got "..this user has no $HOME/Maildir" from pop3 ? |
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| 11:52.51 | Eulex | vovka__, try creating it? |
| 11:53.00 | vovka__ | Eulex, 8-))) sure |
| 11:53.10 | vovka__ | maildirmake was used |
| 11:54.00 | vovka__ | there are many threads in forums |
| 11:54.11 | vovka__ | but no answers |
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| 11:54.45 | trustno1 | check if $HOME/Maildir exists, what perms it has |
| 11:54.56 | jinglemouse | Anything out there to view *.wmv besides windows media? Converter? |
| 11:55.11 | trustno1 | xine/mplayer |
| 11:55.17 | vovka__ | trustno1, 755 afaik |
| 11:55.20 | stew | jinglemouse: install mplayer and w32codecs from marillat /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 11:55.57 | trustno1 | and the dir is $HOME/Maildir? not $HOME/Mail or alike? |
| 11:56.21 | vovka__ | wait |
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| 11:56.22 | xNinja | debian what a nice easy/full of packages system |
| 11:56.30 | vovka__ | maildirmake made 700 |
| 11:56.32 | vovka__ | =\ |
| 11:56.48 | filla | Hi! Is there an easy way do upgrade the kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6.XX |
| 11:56.48 | filla | ? |
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| 11:56.52 | xNinja | redhat is easy also but no packages like debian |
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| 11:56.55 | trustno1 | marillat mplayer didn't install correctly for me on debian, some depency problems |
| 11:57.03 | AM|R | hi how to uncompress *.bz2 ? need helps |
| 11:57.06 | dondelelcaro | vovka__: 700 is fine, since the mail delivery either should run as the user or as root. |
| 11:57.11 | dondelelcaro | AM|R: bzip2 -d |
| 11:57.27 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 11:57.27 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 11:57.32 | dondelelcaro | trustno1: follow the above instructions |
| 11:57.34 | vovka__ | dondelelcaro, yeah... qmail-pop3d under root |
| 11:57.56 | dondelelcaro | blech |
| 11:58.05 | AM|R | thank dondelelcaro |
| 11:58.27 | tarzeau | filla: yes |
| 11:58.34 | filla | tarzeau: How? |
| 11:58.36 | vovka__ | well anybody with full worked qmail ? 8) |
| 11:58.50 | tarzeau | filla: apt-get install linux-image-some-numbers |
| 11:58.56 | Eulex | filla, you don't upgrade kernels, you install another one. and if it works, you can remove the old one |
| 11:58.58 | tarzeau | filla: or kernel-image if you're on a old system |
| 11:59.04 | jinglemouse | is marillat a server? Confused |
| 11:59.07 | filla | oak |
| 11:59.08 | filla | ok |
| 11:59.12 | tarzeau | jinglemouse: no, a person |
| 11:59.15 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 11:59.15 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 11:59.18 | trustno1 | it's a debian unofficial mirror |
| 11:59.24 | tarzeau | trustno1: no it's not |
| 11:59.28 | trustno1 | for mplayer |
| 11:59.30 | Eulex | jinglemouse, both |
| 11:59.31 | trustno1 | yes it is |
| 11:59.34 | tarzeau | trustno1: it's not a mirror |
| 11:59.40 | tarzeau | trustno1: it's a repository for some packages |
| 11:59.42 | trustno1 | bah, for mplayer |
| 11:59.44 | filla | so I use that command on the *.o file, or the *.bz2 file on kernel.org? |
| 11:59.58 | Eulex | filla, no |
| 12:00.05 | trustno1 | ok, mirror is the wrong word |
| 12:00.21 | Eulex | filla, you apt-get the image. apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 12:00.48 | dondelelcaro | vovka__: see #qmail |
| 12:00.55 | filla | huh? I'm kinda new to linux |
| 12:01.12 | dondelelcaro | vovka__: it's not in main, and we really can't support it here. |
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| 12:01.43 | filla | I need to switch to a new kernel to easen up mountingproblems and WLAN problems |
| 12:01.49 | jinglemouse | I updated the kernel yesterday via synaptic |
| 12:01.57 | Eulex | filla, apt-cache search kernel-image. then install the one that fits your system. |
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| 12:02.30 | filla | I guess I have to be connected to internet....A problem since I have a wireless card. Not installed by default :P |
| 12:02.32 | dondelelcaro | trustno1: anyway, if you want help here, you need to give us the information that dpkg asked for. |
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| 12:03.01 | filla | eulex:I guess I have to be connected to internet....A problem since I have a wireless card. Not installed by default :P |
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| 12:03.09 | Eulex | filla, any way to connect the computer with a wired network card? |
| 12:03.22 | Eulex | filla, what wireless network card is it, btw? |
| 12:03.29 | filla | et |
| 12:03.31 | filla | CNet |
| 12:03.41 | Eulex | umh |
| 12:03.49 | filla | CNet CWP-854 to be precise |
| 12:03.52 | vovka__ | dondelelcaro, thanx |
| 12:03.55 | Eulex | chipset? |
| 12:04.01 | dondelelcaro | vovka__: np. |
| 12:04.16 | filla | Ralink...? |
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| 12:04.55 | filla | Ralinktech.com is the producer |
| 12:04.57 | filla | I think |
| 12:05.00 | botsy_ | it's possible to create a mail server who are for role to reroute all mail who are write in the intranet for internet .???? |
| 12:05.34 | dondelelcaro | botsy_: quite trival to do so, actually... |
| 12:05.57 | Eulex | filla, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads -- also, what does lspci say about the card? |
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| 12:06.56 | vovka__ | i got the problem |
| 12:06.57 | vovka__ | 8-) |
| 12:07.00 | filla | hehe....since this is a dualbootmachine with windows/linux I wouldn't know.... |
| 12:07.09 | vovka__ | error in one doc in the internet |
| 12:07.13 | vovka__ | 8) |
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| 12:09.13 | Eulex | filla, though that driver will probably not work on a 2.4 kernel. you should download the first debian cd. and again, is it possible to temporarily get a wired internet connection to that box? |
| 12:10.07 | filla | If I had a 30 m cable available :P |
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| 12:10.43 | Eulex | filla, either that or move the computer or download to windows and transfer to linux. |
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| 12:11.35 | blue_sky | how can I force a re-read of /etc/hosts without re-starting networking? |
| 12:11.54 | tarzeau | blue_sky: what software? |
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| 12:12.06 | tarzeau | blue_sky: nothing to be done |
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| 12:12.25 | jm_ | blue_sky: restart the application |
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| 12:12.47 | xNinja | can i configure the squid to cache http and also ftp ?? |
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| 12:13.21 | Guerin | xNinja: it's possible, but whether you can do it or not is another matter. |
| 12:13.38 | Penix | man, sparcstations piss me off |
| 12:13.39 | Daffy-PKF | is there a vmware style thing that allow to use the hardware? |
| 12:13.40 | Guerin | xNinja: I'm inclined to say you cant, since you clearly haven't bothered to even LOOK at the documentation |
| 12:13.40 | xNinja | wich section in the config file to do it |
| 12:13.47 | Guerin | Daffy-PKF: vmware? |
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| 12:14.00 | Daffy-PKF | Guerin> PC emulator |
| 12:14.05 | Daffy-PKF | virtual PC |
| 12:14.15 | csch | hi guys |
| 12:14.18 | Guerin | Daffy-PKF: vmware is one. |
| 12:14.19 | jgould_ | how exactly do I set something up on a cron? |
| 12:14.24 | Guerin | Daffy-PKF: that's what I was saying. |
| 12:14.26 | Eulex | Daffy-PKF, qemu with the accelerator |
| 12:14.27 | blue_sky | tarzeau: thanks, you're right, nothing to be done! excellent :) |
| 12:14.28 | csch | i'm trying to install an application on debian |
| 12:14.34 | csch | but I get this error |
| 12:14.36 | csch | http://pastebin.com/476512 |
| 12:14.37 | Guerin | jgould_: according to the instructions in 'man crontab' |
| 12:14.41 | Daffy-PKF | Guerin> no, vmware have its own hardware, i can't make it use my tv-card for example |
| 12:14.48 | csch | I dont kwow how to solve this |
| 12:14.50 | stew | jgould_: man 1 crontab ; man 5 crontab |
| 12:14.55 | blue_sky | man 5 crontab |
| 12:14.55 | csch | someona can help me please ? |
| 12:14.56 | Guerin | Daffy-PKF: xen or something might do it |
| 12:15.08 | Daffy-PKF | Guerin> i take a look to it |
| 12:15.20 | stew | csch: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
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| 12:15.35 | Guerin | csch: don't try to go from pre-stable to unstable in one go |
| 12:15.51 | blue_sky | csch: apt-get update ; apt-get install [package-name] |
| 12:15.55 | MikeDub | how can i tell if i'm booting from stable or testing? |
| 12:16.02 | Guerin | blue_sky: won't fix this problem. |
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| 12:16.15 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 12:16.15 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 12:16.29 | Eulex | MikeDub, cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:16.40 | dondelelcaro | MikeDub: checking /etc/debian_version or your libc6 version is often the easiest way. |
| 12:16.52 | Guerin | MikeDub: compare output of dpkg -l libc6; cat /etc/debian_version ; apt-cache policy; with known examples as found on packages.debian.org |
| 12:16.59 | blue_sky | Guerin: maybe i didn't see OPs entire complaint, what I did see wasn't a helpful request! |
| 12:17.12 | Eulex | ladyisabel77, umh, you again?? what are you trying to achieve by doing !it? |
| 12:17.15 | Guerin | blue_sky: it's a known problem of the last month or so |
| 12:17.34 | MikeDub | i changed every instance of "stable" to "testing" in source.list, updated, dist-upgraded |
| 12:17.44 | MikeDub | but i think i'm still booting stable |
| 12:17.53 | stew | MikeDub: what makes you think that? |
| 12:17.54 | Eulex | MikeDub, apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 12:17.55 | xNinja | i want the document wich tells the way to configure squid to cache ftp ? |
| 12:17.57 | blue_sky | Guerin: OK, maybe I need to keep up with current news! |
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| 12:18.04 | tarzeau | xNinja: www.squid-cache.org |
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| 12:18.09 | Eulex | xNinja, dpkg -L squid |
| 12:18.11 | tarzeau | ouch |
| 12:18.24 | Eulex | harshal, what do you think you're doing? |
| 12:18.29 | harshal | leave |
| 12:18.35 | filla | Eulex: How do I know what file to download on that link you gave me? |
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| 12:19.13 | Eulex | filla, you'll need to know your chipset. run lspci. |
| 12:19.26 | MikeDub | Eulex: *** 2.3.5-8 0 |
| 12:19.26 | MikeDub | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.33 | Eulex | MikeDub, you |
| 12:19.36 | MikeDub | well, i gues it's testing |
| 12:19.36 | Eulex | 're on testing |
| 12:19.41 | MikeDub | fair enough |
| 12:19.56 | MikeDub | now for xorg |
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| 12:20.00 | MikeDub | thanks |
| 12:20.08 | blondie | what insolence |
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| 12:21.07 | stew | jgould_: if you have specific questions, we'd be happy to answer |
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| 12:21.42 | csch | how can I upgrade just one package ? |
| 12:22.03 | Kvant | csch, apt-get install package |
| 12:22.03 | Eulex | csch, apt-get install pkgname |
| 12:22.04 | stew | csch: apt-get install pkgname |
| 12:22.07 | csch | when I run apt-get update there is lots os packages that i dont want to upgrade now |
| 12:22.08 | Eulex | hehe |
| 12:22.10 | blue_sky | jgould: man 5 crontab, search for EXAMPLE CRON FILE, can you not use the examples to set up what you want? |
| 12:22.11 | MikeDub | uname -a says Linux frak 2.6.8-2-686 though. |
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| 12:22.12 | Guerin | csch: you can't, if there are dependencies which ened to be upgraded too |
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| 12:22.30 | csch | I already did apt-get install package |
| 12:22.31 | Eulex | csch, apt-get update doesn't upgrade a thing |
| 12:22.36 | Guerin | csch: aptitude install <packagename> will only upgrade what's necessary |
| 12:22.40 | csch | and I get this error |
| 12:22.44 | csch | http://pastebin.com/476512 |
| 12:22.50 | Guerin | csch: we told you how to fix the fucking thing already |
| 12:23.04 | stew | csch: did you read /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop ? |
| 12:23.22 | csch | yes, but the upgrade is too big |
| 12:23.26 | Eulex | MikeDub, your kernel ain't updated automatically if you haven't got the kernel-image-2.6 meta-package installed |
| 12:23.31 | csch | I just want upgrade one package |
| 12:23.50 | jgould_ | I'm trying to set it up so that once a week (Probably on thursday, around noon) the system will make a backup of my home dir then mount the server's NFS export, upload, then umount the export then clean up after it self.... |
| 12:24.09 | Eulex | csch, that is *not* possible if you're on woody and have apt sources from unstable |
| 12:24.12 | blondie | jgould_: fine |
| 12:24.17 | SimonRaven | O_O |
| 12:24.26 | blondie | o.O |
| 12:24.47 | blue_sky | csch: I'd wait a couple of days, maintainers will probably fix it all and, before new year, all could be OK |
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| 12:24.54 | csch | how can I discover want debian version is running ? |
| 12:25.04 | csch | I'm newby in debian.. sorry |
| 12:25.06 | blondie | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:25.10 | stew | blue_sky: no, its not a bug, he's trying an unsupported operation |
| 12:25.10 | SimonRaven | i guess some people like breaking things on purpose (without intentionally doing so) |
| 12:25.17 | Eulex | csch, apt-cache policy libc6 and cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:25.23 | csch | 3.1 |
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| 12:25.31 | csch | which version is this ? |
| 12:25.36 | csch | woody ? |
| 12:25.37 | blondie | sarge |
| 12:25.45 | stew | csch: you are running sarge from when it was testing and before it became stable. a testing snapshot from sometime before june |
| 12:25.46 | csch | is the lastest ? |
| 12:25.47 | blue_sky | stew: that's twice I've got it wrong this same subject, I *really* should butt out |
| 12:26.02 | Eulex | csch, may be a mixed one. ^^ |
| 12:26.11 | blondie | sarge is the latest stable |
| 12:26.21 | blondie | what does it say in sources.list? |
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| 12:26.34 | stew | it probably says testing in his sources.list |
| 12:26.35 | csch | so, how can I upgrade all system with the lastest stable packages ? |
| 12:26.50 | stew | csch: as we've told you /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 12:26.58 | Eulex | csch, <Eulex> csch, apt-cache policy libc6 and cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:26.59 | stew | csch: and /msg dpkg security |
| 12:27.10 | csch | ok, but what I put in sources.list |
| 12:27.12 | tarzeau | someone play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net w/ me? |
| 12:27.18 | tarzeau | !seen odla |
| 12:27.18 | dpkg | odla <i=chris@69-173-129-17.agstme.adelphia.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9h 42m 40s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 12:27.22 | Eulex | tarzeau, me! me! |
| 12:27.28 | blondie | I don't think you can downgrade from testing to stable |
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| 12:27.31 | blondie | can you? |
| 12:27.32 | tarzeau | Eulex: did you study http://bub-n-bros.sourceforge.net/crazybonuses.html |
| 12:27.51 | stew | blondie: hes running testing that is so old that he can, since all his packages are older than the current stable |
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| 12:28.01 | Eulex | tarzeau, nah, guess I should do that |
| 12:28.12 | tarzeau | Eulex: definitely |
| 12:28.12 | blondie | OK |
| 12:28.18 | csch | Eulex: look this> http://pastebin.com/476523 |
| 12:28.45 | blondie | stable then |
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| 12:29.03 | csch | I change some thins in sources.list |
| 12:29.16 | csch | as said in /msg dpkg |
| 12:29.20 | blondie | you changed or you will change? |
| 12:29.24 | csch | to run apt-get upgrade |
| 12:29.30 | csch | I changed |
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| 12:29.57 | debugger | hello |
| 12:30.02 | csch | before was testing instead stalbe |
| 12:30.04 | csch | stable |
| 12:30.14 | blondie | right |
| 12:30.54 | csch | my sources.list is right now ? |
| 12:31.39 | debugger | I'm trying to use "setlocale(LC_ALL, "pt_PT");", but its failing because there is no locale information at /usr/lib/locale/pt_PT/. Is there anything I have to do to install locales? I have the locales packages, but it install stuff at /usr/share/i18n/locales/. |
| 12:31.48 | Guerin | csch: reinstall stable and stick with it until you understand what you're doing. |
| 12:32.11 | Guerin | csch: this is why stable exists - for when you don't want to deal with breakage. |
| 12:32.36 | Eulex | tarzeau, I'm in |
| 12:32.40 | jm_ | debugger: man locale-gen |
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| 12:33.02 | debugger | jm_, I'm supposed to do that on every debian install? |
| 12:33.10 | jm_ | debugger: or dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 12:33.21 | jm_ | debugger: if you want them to be generated, then yes |
| 12:33.48 | debugger | jm_, humm, you known why they weren't generated at install time? maybe they take too much space? |
| 12:33.59 | jm_ | debugger: man locale-gen explains it |
| 12:34.09 | debugger | jm_, ah ok ;) |
| 12:34.15 | debugger | jm_, thanks! |
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| 12:34.23 | csch | Guerin: this server was installed by another person |
| 12:34.40 | csch | and now I'm trying to keep it updated |
| 12:34.58 | ladyisabel77 | Eulex, hello! |
| 12:34.59 | csch | now I just want 2 things |
| 12:35.16 | csch | what options use in sources.list |
| 12:35.29 | csch | and how to upgrade all packages to stable version |
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| 12:35.39 | tarzeau | Eulex: and i can't, since i'm at work |
| 12:35.56 | stew | csch: the sources.list you pasted before looks fine, except you should uncomment the security.debian.org line and change testing to stable in that line |
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| 12:37.20 | stew | csch: the fact that php5 is mentioned in that sources.list (albeit in comments) is somewhat worrysome however. does "dpkg -l | grep php5" return any lines starting with ii? |
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| 12:38.38 | Eulex | tarzeau, ah |
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| 12:40.14 | filla | Eulex: Hi! I'm back, and I managed to get a grip on a laptop :D |
| 12:40.32 | blondie | filla is back from outer space! |
| 12:40.38 | filla | lspci gave me: RaLink:unknown device 0302 |
| 12:40.44 | filla | ;-) |
| 12:41.25 | Eulex | filla, then you need to run update-pciids, which you need to have an internet connection to do.. |
| 12:41.42 | filla | hehe.....easier said than done |
| 12:41.48 | tarzeau | Eulex: are you around 6 hours later? |
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| 12:42.28 | Eulex | tarzeau, no. going away to relatives. |
| 12:42.54 | csch | stew: this configuration looks good ? http://pastebin.com/476530 |
| 12:43.15 | stew | csch: yes |
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| 12:44.03 | debiankid | hello everyone |
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| 12:44.15 | debiankid | any 1 know here how to set up realplayer 10 ? |
| 12:44.43 | csch | so what i need to upgrade all packages to stable version |
| 12:44.48 | csch | is run apt-get upgrade |
| 12:44.50 | csch | right ? |
| 12:44.50 | debiankid | im downloaded realplayer1o.rm and i change with alien to .deb i installed with dpkg but i cannot find the executable |
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| 12:44.57 | stew | csch: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 12:45.32 | csch | after this I will have the lastest stable packages of sarge, right ? |
| 12:45.37 | stew | csch: yes |
| 12:45.58 | csch | Need to get 85.9MB/135MB of archives. |
| 12:45.59 | csch | :S |
| 12:46.38 | filla | is it possible to make an ordinary tp to a twisted one ? :P |
| 12:46.50 | Guerin | debiankid: real does |
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| 12:46.57 | Guerin | debiankid: if they don't, tough. |
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| 12:47.07 | gudi | hi all |
| 12:47.13 | debiankid | guerin i download the rpm |
| 12:47.15 | rata | hi |
| 12:47.17 | debiankid | and i changed to deb |
| 12:47.33 | gudi | what happened to the high mem kernel configuration option? Does anyone know? |
| 12:47.54 | debiankid | with i installed with dpkg -i but i just can't find the program |
| 12:48.04 | debiankid | when i type locate realplayer ..... |
| 12:48.04 | gudi | debiankid, u used alien didn't you? |
| 12:48.05 | csch | stew: and about aptitude ? |
| 12:48.12 | csch | is a good tool ? |
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| 12:48.37 | stew | csch: aptitude is a good tool |
| 12:48.39 | csch | Iam newby in debian and want to learn the right things :) |
| 12:48.47 | stew | gudi: nothing happened to it, why do you ask? |
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| 12:49.04 | csch | what do you recomend to start learning debian |
| 12:49.09 | debiankid | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1388 |
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| 12:49.15 | gudi | stew, i just donwload a 2.6.14.4 kernel and idn'T find the option |
| 12:49.20 | debiankid | gudi yes i used alien |
| 12:49.22 | petemc | csch: install it, play around with it |
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| 12:49.41 | csch | ok, after upgrade my system I'll do this |
| 12:49.48 | stew | gudi: "grep HIGHMEM config-2.6.14-1-686" returns several options with the 4G option enabled in the debian kernels |
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| 12:50.04 | csch | i'm having some problems with imap server |
| 12:50.06 | jm_ | menuconfig has search capability, where you can search for options |
| 12:50.14 | debiankid | stew i finally make my soundcar playing |
| 12:50.26 | csch | when I try to upgrade it, I get that errors on apt-get |
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| 12:50.51 | csch | I dont know if is a problem on imap or on configuration |
| 12:51.09 | gudi | steri, stew can you tell me where i can find it in 2.6.14 ? |
| 12:51.15 | csch | I installed horde webmail and authentication always fail |
| 12:51.15 | maxxle | Hi! I'm looking for a GUI like kpackage but GTK-Based is there something in the reps? |
| 12:51.52 | SimonRaven | synaptic |
| 12:52.09 | gudi | stew, stew can you tell me where i can find it in 2.6.14 ? |
| 12:52.23 | filla | exit |
| 12:52.32 | stew | gudi: how about "grep HIGHMEM .config", i don't remember where it is in menuconfig, probably "processor type and features" or whatever |
| 12:52.39 | maxxle | SimonRaven: But I think synaptic is for apt-packages only? i need something for zip, rar, ace etc. |
| 12:52.55 | gudi | stew, that was what i did.. but it retunr nothing ? |
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| 12:53.22 | SimonRaven | kpackage isn't for archives, it's for packages ... |
| 12:53.37 | Ketter | question.. on what load will sendmail stop working, is there a threshold ? |
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| 12:53.59 | rata | I run "apache-modconf apache enable mod_proxy |
| 12:53.59 | rata | " and restarted my apache 1 server but i could not use mod_proxy directives in my httpd.conf file. Then i "locate mod_proxy" and there wasnt any .so (only a .h), and then locate a module that work, and it has a .so. I read the documentation that the package brings, but it doestn say nothing that it is not compiled with apache in debian package, and i dont find in apache any package of mod_proxy. Any idea ? I am sure i am doing bad a stuid thing... |
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| 12:54.18 | Sebischn | hello! |
| 12:54.19 | maxxle | SimonRaven: Oh sorry - then replace kpackage with karchiver. Wrong Idea. |
| 12:54.48 | stew | gudi: i see it under processor type in menuconfig in debian 2.6.14 source |
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| 12:55.41 | Eulex | Ketter, that has more to do with the kernel imho, if sendmail doesn't stop itself when the load becomes too high, which I'd find trange |
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| 12:56.38 | Sebischn | I'm running on debian and want to make a new partition with reiserfs, but my linux box doesnt know mkfs.reiserfs (-bash: mkfs.reiserfs: command not found ), can someone provide me with a solution for that problem ? :) |
| 12:56.39 | sfr | are there any repositories for debian testing containing openoffice2/mplayer/k3b? |
| 12:56.53 | Lilldude10 | does any one have a old kt400 chipset mobo? |
| 12:57.19 | maxxle | Sebischn: apt-get install reiserfsprogs? |
| 12:57.22 | Lilldude10 | for some reason mine wont boot with deb |
| 12:58.07 | Sebischn | oh ok, sorry.... stupid question. thx a lot maxxle |
| 12:58.21 | maxxle | Sebischn: no problem. |
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| 13:03.37 | NOthsouth | what's the package name like libmotif3 and libaio for debian ? |
| 13:03.51 | saloxin | sfr: check out backports.org org apt-get.org |
| 13:04.00 | DocTomoe | Why does php4 not have mysql in sid, but php4-apache module has? |
| 13:04.27 | scytheman | NOthsouth, apt-cache search <keyword> |
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| 13:05.05 | NOthsouth | scytheman, I try it, don't show anything |
| 13:05.45 | scytheman | NOthsouth, libmotif3 is non-free |
| 13:05.49 | sfr | sa.lxk |
| 13:05.53 | sfr | saloxin: thx |
| 13:06.01 | scytheman | maybe you haven't non-free in your sources.list |
| 13:06.12 | saloxin | :-) |
| 13:06.46 | NOthsouth | humm yeh i see |
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| 13:08.42 | scytheman | NOthsouth, here i have libmotif3 and libaio |
| 13:11.40 | Ketter | Eulex: thanks (sorry.. I'm a bit slow). |
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| 13:11.51 | Ketter | Eulex: it was an option I had to look into. |
| 13:11.54 | csch | stew: |
| 13:12.00 | csch | I upgrade all packages |
| 13:12.07 | csch | but in the end I get this |
| 13:12.08 | csch | http://pastebin.com/476549 |
| 13:12.17 | NOthsouth | scytheman, can You tell me in what repos. ? |
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| 13:13.43 | csch | hey guys, someone can help me ? |
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| 13:13.57 | csch | I apt-get upgrade and now I get this error |
| 13:13.58 | csch | http://pastebin.com/476549 |
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| 13:14.15 | saloxin | csch: apt-get -f install; dpkg-configure -a |
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| 13:14.36 | saloxin | csch: and maybe try to remove webmin-sshd - and install that one later |
| 13:15.03 | blondie | !webmin |
| 13:15.03 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 13:15.48 | csch | I'll remove it |
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| 13:16.00 | csch | but when try to do this I get that error |
| 13:16.05 | csch | :S |
| 13:16.37 | csch | -bash: dpkg-configure: command not found |
| 13:16.39 | csch | :( |
| 13:16.59 | csch | saloxin: when I try to remove I get the same error |
| 13:17.09 | csch | there is another way to remove it ? |
| 13:17.09 | pureone | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:17.10 | maxxle | reconfigure? |
| 13:17.24 | saloxin | dpkg -P webmin-sshd |
| 13:17.32 | Spear | hi, is there a way to check the load of network interfaces or even network broadband, under bash ? |
| 13:17.46 | saloxin | Spear: i like iptraf |
| 13:17.54 | csch | kimerofonte:/etc/apt# dpkg-reconfigure dpkg -P webmin-sshd |
| 13:17.54 | csch | Unknown option: P |
| 13:17.56 | csch | :( |
| 13:18.12 | Spear | saloxin, it's a little shell tool ? |
| 13:18.17 | saloxin | csch: erm no. # dpkg -P webmin-sshd |
| 13:18.22 | blondie | and I-D-ten-T error |
| 13:18.24 | blondie | -d |
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| 13:18.38 | saloxin | Spear: uses ncurses, so it show up nicely in a terminal |
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| 13:18.59 | xNinja | is there a script for debian to make life easy and use restart/stop the services like redhat? like doing service httpd restart ? |
| 13:19.03 | DocTomoe | I have a problem compiling php441 in sid ... it keeps telling me to "configure: error: Please reinstall the BZip2 distribution". What do I have to do? |
| 13:19.12 | jm_ | xNinja: man invoke-rc.d |
| 13:19.15 | DocTomoe | (I tried apt-get --reinstall install bzip2) |
| 13:19.22 | blondie | xNinja: /etc/init.d/<service> start/restart/stop |
| 13:19.22 | Spear | thanks saloxin ;) |
| 13:19.27 | saloxin | xNinja: /etc/init.d/<nameofservice> stop|start|restart |
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| 13:19.50 | DocTomoe | xNinja: the httpd service usually is apache or apache2 ... |
| 13:19.58 | saloxin | DocTomoe: you need the -dev to compile. apt-cache search bzip2 |
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| 13:20.05 | saloxin | Spear: :-) |
| 13:20.16 | xNinja | yeah i know but for someone who doest know linux i want to make it easy for him |
| 13:20.28 | Spear | Have a merry Christmas everybody, and a nice end of year |
| 13:20.34 | DocTomoe | saloxin: there is no dev package for bzip2 |
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| 13:21.08 | NOthsouth | scytheman, ?? |
| 13:21.14 | stew | DocTomoe: apt-cache search libbz2 |
| 13:21.14 | saloxin | DocTomoe: libbz2-dev ? |
| 13:21.16 | kart_ | any pbuild master? |
| 13:21.47 | DocTomoe | ARGH ... I really ought to get some sleep -_- |
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| 13:22.11 | scytheman_ | NOthsouth? |
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| 13:23.08 | Spear | bye ! |
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| 13:23.18 | Fraze | Hola. I have free unlocated space in my hard disk and i'd like to enlarge my ext3..how can i do that: |
| 13:23.27 | jgould_ | blondie: Nice |
| 13:23.29 | NOthsouth | scytheman, can you tell me the repository name where you have the packages? |
| 13:23.45 | blondie | he wanted sleep ;\ |
| 13:23.59 | scytheman_ | NOthsouth, wait |
| 13:24.18 | NOthsouth | scytheman, okdokey |
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| 13:24.41 | blondie | too funky |
| 13:25.17 | scytheman_ | NOthsouth, they are both from ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de |
| 13:25.25 | scytheman_ | this is a local, but official mirror |
| 13:25.39 | Fraze | so, it isn't possible? |
| 13:25.45 | scytheman_ | therefore any other official mirror should have these packages, too |
| 13:25.59 | scytheman_ | atm this mirror is partly down |
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| 13:26.13 | blondie | Fraze: I believe it is, but you'd be better deleting the partition and making a new bigger one |
| 13:26.16 | NOthsouth | scytheman, thx man |
| 13:26.42 | rikva | Hi all, should I use ipchains or iptables on my 2.4 server? |
| 13:26.47 | scytheman_ | NOthsouth, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libmotif3&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all and http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libaio&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 13:27.09 | fireba11 | anyone got experience with converting mbox to maildir ? |
| 13:27.31 | jm_ | qmail has a script that does that, mutt can also be used to achieve it |
| 13:27.49 | blondie | fireba11: yes |
| 13:27.53 | fireba11 | jm_ i got mb2md script .. but it got no options to do all users at once ^^ |
| 13:28.12 | saloxin | rikva: iptables - ipchains are old |
| 13:28.14 | blondie | for i in ... |
| 13:28.25 | blondie | fireba11: that's very easily scriptable/for-loop-able |
| 13:28.30 | rikva | saloxin: thanks |
| 13:28.54 | fireba11 | blondie: nope it's not since it takes the logged in user .. su won't do .. and scripting that isn't that easy i think |
| 13:29.13 | blondie | fireba11: su will do |
| 13:29.24 | fireba11 | blondie: i just tried that !? |
| 13:30.39 | NOthsouth | scytheman, what is the repository format ?? for add line to source.list? |
| 13:30.49 | Fraze | blondie: But it's my file system!!! |
| 13:30.53 | blondie | fireba11: well maybe I didn't use the debian mb2md |
| 13:30.57 | blondie | Fraze: what? |
| 13:31.12 | blondie | fireba11: but when I did mine you could specify the file to covert |
| 13:31.14 | blondie | *convert |
| 13:31.14 | Fraze | blondie: I can't delete it.. i just need to enlarge it |
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| 13:31.27 | blondie | Fraze: you can restore from your backups after doing it |
| 13:31.46 | Fraze | it's too complicated.. |
| 13:31.58 | blondie | Fraze: try the "parted" program |
| 13:31.58 | fireba11 | blondie: yes .. i can do that .. ah well .. found a couple meta-scripts for that purpose on qmails site .. think there should be something that works for me :-) |
| 13:32.10 | Fraze | blondie: ok.. |
| 13:32.12 | Fraze | blondie: thanks |
| 13:32.30 | Fujoor | hello there people, i have a lil question, what is the function of a boot loader, if one only has one operative system, do i need a boot loader at all? |
| 13:32.36 | scytheman_ | NOthsouth, which mirror? |
| 13:32.36 | blondie | Fraze: I'd backup important stuff first though... |
| 13:32.37 | saloxin | Fraze: man resize2fs |
| 13:32.49 | saloxin | backup will come in handy |
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| 13:33.15 | EdLin | Fujoor: Linux always needs a boot loader |
| 13:33.31 | NOthsouth | scytheman_, anyone .. noth american .. |
| 13:33.43 | Fujoor | edlin: ah, no matter what it always needs one? |
| 13:33.50 | saloxin | Fujoor: bootloader connects bios to "what to do now then?" |
| 13:33.50 | EdLin | Fujoor: yes. |
| 13:33.55 | scytheman_ | NOthsouth, use apt-setup, there are several build-in mirrors which you can easily add |
| 13:34.33 | saloxin | Fraze: parted, then resize2fs i think. but these are dangerous waters |
| 13:34.42 | Fraze | :-/ |
| 13:34.57 | EdLin | Fujoor: if you don't like the bootloader screen, that can be turned off. (Especially in the case of lilo, though in spite of that I like grub better.) |
| 13:35.09 | Fraze | But just enlarging isn't dangerous, right? |
| 13:35.38 | saloxin | Fraze: editing partition size and enlarging a populated filesystem is dangerous |
| 13:35.53 | Fraze | uh.. |
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| 13:36.38 | blondie | Fraze: what would happen if your harddisk when bang anyway? |
| 13:36.56 | jgould_ | When I adjusted my partitions, I backed up all of my data and did a complete reinstall. (Then again, I also broke up the partition scheme a bit) |
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| 13:37.38 | saloxin | i've resized lvm partitions, but then again, they are made for that |
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| 13:40.23 | csch | hey guys, my system is up to date now |
| 13:40.35 | csch | now I need to configure courier-imap |
| 13:40.56 | csch | when I try to connect I get this: Can't connect to localhost.localdomain,993: Connection refused |
| 13:41.04 | csch | but the server is running |
| 13:41.26 | fireba11 | csch: you noticed 993 is imap/ssl and ythere is an extra package for that ? |
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| 13:41.34 | DocTomoe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:42.25 | jgould_ | How exactly do you have a wrong hard link count on a virtual file system (e.g. /proc)? |
| 13:42.27 | stew | csch: make sure /etc/courier/imapd-ssl has a line "IMAPDSSLSTART=YES" |
| 13:42.27 | saloxin | DocTomoe: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:43.01 | stew | DocTomoe: why are you trying to comile php? |
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| 13:43.21 | DocTomoe | because debians php4-cli seems no longer to support mysql |
| 13:43.32 | stew | DocTomoe: sure it does |
| 13:43.34 | meff | uhm |
| 13:43.37 | meff | php4-mysql |
| 13:43.40 | stew | DocTomoe: do you have php4-mysql installed? |
| 13:43.45 | DocTomoe | stew: why does it tell me it doesn´t, then? |
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| 13:43.54 | DocTomoe | stew: jupp |
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| 13:44.15 | DocTomoe | after i installed it, libapache-php did support mysql, but php cli does not |
| 13:44.17 | stew | DocTomoe: do you have extension=mysql.so in /etc/php4/cli/php.ini? |
| 13:44.29 | iLLf8d | hey all can someone tell me the command to mount a usb drive? |
| 13:44.38 | stew | iLLf8d: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 13:44.55 | jm_ | and apt-cache show usbmount |
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| 13:46.06 | iLLf8d | hrm |
| 13:46.11 | DocTomoe | stew ... no, actually i didn´t. is there any reason why there is a /etc/php.ini that controlls the webserver and a /etc/php4/cli/php.ini that controls the cli? |
| 13:46.14 | iLLf8d | got any idea what the sd_mod does? |
| 13:46.33 | jm_ | yes |
| 13:46.40 | iLLf8d | I've got scsi_mod and usbstorage modules in (and usb stuffs) |
| 13:46.51 | mmiikkee12 | where is the net setup iso for unstable? |
| 13:46.57 | iLLf8d | dunno if I have the sd one compiled in atm |
| 13:47.06 | iLLf8d | jm_: whats the info for the sd_mod? |
| 13:47.13 | blondie | mmiikkee12: there isn't one |
| 13:47.16 | jm_ | iLLf8d: SCSI disk support |
| 13:47.37 | stew | DocTomoe: /etc/php4/apache/php.ini controls the webserver |
| 13:47.51 | iLLf8d | hrm wonder what scsi_mod is then |
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| 13:48.12 | stew | DocTomoe: or /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini or /etc/php4/caudium/php.ini or whatever your webserver is |
| 13:48.17 | iLLf8d | scsi core hrm |
| 13:48.18 | blondie | mmiikkee12: use a sarge one and dist-upgrade |
| 13:48.38 | jgould_ | mmiikkee12: Are you talking about etch? |
| 13:48.58 | mmiikkee12 | unstable, whatever they call that now |
| 13:49.21 | hans0lo | mmiikkee12: unstable is sid |
| 13:49.49 | jgould_ | look for a link to the debian-installer page on the download page of the website |
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| 13:50.06 | jgould_ | that'll get you etch |
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| 13:50.30 | mmiikkee12 | doesn't unstable have the latest packages though? |
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| 13:51.03 | jgould_ | How exactly do you tell if you have testing or unstable. My /etc/debian_version reads testing/unstable |
| 13:51.06 | tralala | mmiikkee12: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:52.32 | stew | jgould: compare libc6 version to http://packages.debian.org/libc6 ; or look at apt-cache policy |
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| 13:54.08 | machiavelli- | i catch a freenode admin |
| 13:54.58 | mmiikkee12 | tralala: that convinced me, testing it is ;) |
| 13:55.17 | tralala | mmiikkee12: good :) |
| 13:55.38 | stew | mmiikkee12: good choice, general wisdom about running sid is /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 13:55.39 | mmiikkee12 | now... is that etch |
| 13:55.41 | mmiikkee12 | ? |
| 13:55.48 | stew | mmiikkee12: yes, http://debian.org/releases |
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| 13:56.01 | NOthsouth | I just adduser joe, but my /home/joe was not created, what should I do for create that? |
| 13:56.44 | mmiikkee12 | NOthsouth: mkdir /home/joe and chown joe /home/joe? |
| 13:56.47 | jm_ | Notorious: man adduser |
| 13:56.48 | stew | NOthsouth: you used adduser or useradd? |
| 13:56.49 | mmiikkee12 | as root |
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| 13:57.30 | NOthsouth | mmiikkee12, and what about the default files, like profiles... |
| 13:57.36 | mmiikkee12 | um |
| 13:57.43 | Guerin | NOthsouth: rtfm |
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| 13:57.53 | NOthsouth | stew, useadd |
| 13:58.10 | stew | NOthsouth: you should use adduser not useradd, userdel joe; adduser joe |
| 13:58.16 | NOthsouth | Guerin, rtfm ? |
| 13:58.21 | Guerin | !rtfm |
| 13:58.22 | dpkg | methinks rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] or Read Their Fucking Minds. |
| 13:58.32 | NOthsouth | hahah great |
| 13:59.02 | NOthsouth | yeh .. but use like this: useradd -d /home/joe joe |
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| 13:59.18 | NOthsouth | well, i 'll recreate |
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| 14:00.19 | stew | NOthsouth: no, use adduser, don't user useradd |
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| 14:00.38 | embrik | Can anyone help me finding my usb-pen . This is what I get when I try to open usb: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified |
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| 14:01.17 | stew | embrik: how are you trying to "open usb"? do any partitions show up in "fdisk -l"? |
| 14:01.19 | tralala | embrik: did you read the "usb storage" factoid? |
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| 14:02.24 | embrik | this is my usb-partition sda /media/usb |
| 14:03.00 | embrik | stew: I tried fdisk -l, the command was not found |
| 14:03.20 | embrik | stew: forgot su.. |
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| 14:03.58 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 14:05.14 | embrik | tralala: where do I find the usb storage factoid? |
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| 14:05.26 | mmiikkee12 | !usb storage |
| 14:05.26 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 14:05.27 | fireba11 | !usb storage |
| 14:05.30 | fireba11 | dang |
| 14:05.34 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 14:05.50 | Eclipser | embrik, too obvious? :) |
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| 14:06.04 | mmiikkee12 | !log |
| 14:06.04 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
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| 14:06.09 | nick01 | is it true that yast was ported to debian ? |
| 14:06.11 | mmiikkee12 | ok i'll stop now :) |
| 14:06.27 | jgould | How do I fix a hard link probem in /proc |
| 14:06.33 | jad_jay | mmiikkee12, what an amazing script what language did you use? |
| 14:06.42 | mmiikkee12 | jad_jay: ? |
| 14:06.47 | jad_jay | python |
| 14:06.50 | mmiikkee12 | not my bot |
| 14:06.58 | jgould | LOL |
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| 14:07.02 | jad_jay | eggdrop? |
| 14:07.10 | mmiikkee12 | IT'S NOT MY BOT |
| 14:07.15 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 14:07.19 | kyncani | nick01: an intent to package only AFAIK |
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| 14:07.25 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 14:07.32 | fireba11 | !smite jad_jay |
| 14:07.43 | nick01 | is there a network config tool for debian somewhere ? |
| 14:07.45 | mmiikkee12 | !lart jad_jay |
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| 14:07.57 | fireba11 | nick01: you can use the setup one if you want |
| 14:08.00 | Fraze | Well, I've allocated a partition with fdisk , made it type linux (83), and I still can not mount it.. what is worng? |
| 14:08.10 | mmiikkee12 | Fraze: format it? |
| 14:08.10 | nick01 | fireba11, how ? |
| 14:08.15 | Fraze | mmiikkee12: How? |
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| 14:08.22 | colk | frankie, mke2fs perhaps |
| 14:08.25 | mmiikkee12 | what fs do you want? |
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| 14:08.30 | fireba11 | nick01: hm .. dpkg-reconfigure network i think |
| 14:08.39 | pug | that bug just took 2 hours out of my life... where can i apply to get them back? :/ |
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| 14:08.53 | nick01 | fireba11, I need to configure 2 network cards not just one |
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| 14:09.06 | Fraze | ? |
| 14:09.19 | mmiikkee12 | do mke2fs -j /dev/hdxy (replace x and y with correct letter/number) |
| 14:09.29 | fireba11 | nick01: you should be able to set up both there |
| 14:09.30 | jgould | nick01: what do you need to do to the second one? |
| 14:09.36 | Fraze | okie.. thanks ! (and it will be ext3?) |
| 14:09.37 | mmiikkee12 | that'll give you an ext3 fs on it |
| 14:09.41 | Fraze | good |
| 14:09.41 | Fraze | thanks |
| 14:09.49 | mmiikkee12 | that's what -j does |
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| 14:09.55 | ircdevil | sup |
| 14:10.01 | fireba11 | nick01: you still ca jsut edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:10.03 | Fraze | okie :) thanks |
| 14:10.03 | d0uglas | i wanna get my mouse wheel clicks over firefox tabs to close the tabs (as with ms win). Right now it causes the tab to load up some random-ass page. It doesn't seem wm-dependent, any idea where i could look to tweak this? |
| 14:10.09 | mmiikkee12 | np |
| 14:10.21 | nick01 | jgould, configure it with ip and stuff |
| 14:10.28 | nick01 | k |
| 14:10.38 | jgould | do what fireba11 said |
| 14:10.47 | mmiikkee12 | d0uglas: i had that too, never figured out how to shut it off |
| 14:10.55 | d0uglas | whack ain't it |
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| 14:11.00 | d0uglas | where do those pages come from |
| 14:11.05 | d0uglas | oh well |
| 14:11.13 | mmiikkee12 | but it seems to be the url you have in the copy/paste buffer |
| 14:11.21 | mmiikkee12 | i think |
| 14:11.23 | d0uglas | this might very well be the last thing i can't do on linux, close firefox tabs |
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| 14:11.26 | fireba11 | nick01: remember to do ifdown eth1; ifup eth1 after that to apply settings |
| 14:11.32 | d0uglas | with a middle click |
| 14:11.45 | mmiikkee12 | use that one extension that puts a close button on each tab |
| 14:12.01 | colk | or fireba11 do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:12.04 | d0uglas | yeah i noticed that but i dance around pr0n sites ninja style |
| 14:12.08 | d0uglas | gotta be sharp |
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| 14:12.42 | fireba11 | colk: true but he got two nicks, he might want to have one not restart :-) |
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| 14:12.50 | fireba11 | err .. nics :-) |
| 14:12.50 | jgould | d0uglas you may want to see if you can reassign the middle button to close instead of open |
| 14:12.52 | colk | true |
| 14:12.53 | d0uglas | hmm wonder if it does it on the other browsers that do tabs |
| 14:13.11 | d0uglas | jgould: well i can't seem to find that in the browser or the wm control panels... |
| 14:13.23 | colk | heh i have to run mii-tool to get it to go in 100 baseT |
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| 14:13.36 | mmiikkee12 | d0uglas: is there an extension for it? |
| 14:13.46 | d0uglas | good question |
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| 14:14.05 | d0uglas | i just took a bunch of adderall so this is suddenly very important and worth devoting the entire morning on |
| 14:14.15 | jgould | d0uglas: I don't know how to do that either... |
| 14:14.33 | colk | newegg is quite amusing |
| 14:14.47 | colk | they ship 2 items of the same shipment from 2 diffrent places |
| 14:15.04 | colk | and im going to have to wait for both |
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| 14:15.11 | d0uglas | on another more answerable note, trying to decide whether to use phpnuke or wordpress to embed with my gallery |
| 14:15.15 | colk | as its a processor and motherboard |
| 14:15.24 | d0uglas | err embed the gallery with the other things |
| 14:15.40 | caphuso | d0uglas: about:config and set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false |
| 14:15.43 | sciboy | I DON'T GET IT! I can't get my Epson C45 to respond to CUPS at all, and yet mtink works and everyone else reports success with this printer. |
| 14:15.44 | mmiikkee12 | d0uglas: fireblog \o/ |
| 14:15.53 | colk | ones coming from edison nj and ones coming from memphis |
| 14:15.54 | colk | tn |
| 14:16.10 | colk | the memphis tn one is going to get here first of course |
| 14:16.13 | colk | im in tampa FL |
| 14:16.14 | sciboy | Cups doesn't even seem to realise that the printer is even there. |
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| 14:16.46 | d0uglas | caphuso: thanks.. know the name of that config file or should i make some obvious guesses and then ask |
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| 14:17.33 | jgould | How do I get acrobat to print to the printer that is shared using cups? |
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| 14:18.04 | caphuso | d0uglas: you don't need to know the name of the config file |
| 14:18.38 | embrik | dpkg: done what you said. rebooting now.. |
| 14:18.53 | d0uglas | caphuso: well i'm looking around the menus and coming up dry |
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| 14:19.04 | embrik | Do I have to rebbot, or is it another way to load the new settings? |
| 14:19.32 | caphuso | d0uglas: what the heck are you doing? you go to the about:config page and select the "toggle" entry in the context menu |
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| 14:19.38 | colk | embrik, what did you change |
| 14:19.56 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:20.07 | limpio | is there a combination of keys in nano to go to the top of the file and to the end? it's not in the man and google does not show it. thx |
| 14:20.09 | tralala | everything else can be done without rebooting |
| 14:20.13 | d0uglas | in firefox? you can't mean help > about firefox ... |
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| 14:20.23 | embrik | colk:I've changed a line in etc/fstab |
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| 14:20.33 | caphuso | d0uglas: no, i mean the "about:config" page |
| 14:20.33 | d0uglas | or in the window manager? |
| 14:20.41 | d0uglas | Ohhhh |
| 14:20.41 | caphuso | the window manager is completely irrelevant |
| 14:20.45 | pug | limpio: std keys for that might be ctrl-end ctrl-home, tried those? |
| 14:20.47 | jgould | d0uglas: in the location bar type "about:config" |
| 14:20.54 | pug | limpio: or is that wintendo.. hmm |
| 14:20.57 | tarzeau | how to put files into a floppy image suitable for aranym? |
| 14:21.00 | d0uglas | ahh this is easy |
| 14:21.08 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 14:21.10 | limpio | ^v and ^y don't do it |
| 14:21.22 | colk | fstab you can usually just mount the device after its added |
| 14:21.24 | mrex | help! got a new laptop today. windows says it has scsi, the box says it has ata. It has a raid controller that i'm not interested in for now and an intel ide controller.... |
| 14:21.25 | limpio | pug, i will try them right away, let you know |
| 14:21.31 | pug | limpio: k |
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| 14:21.55 | mrex | the sarge installation cannot find the hard drives. it also complains about ide-scsi, ide-mod etc not being found |
| 14:22.04 | pug | mrex: probably S-ATA |
| 14:22.14 | fireba11 | mrew: s-ata is listed as scsi in windows as well |
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| 14:22.15 | abrotman | mrex: is it ICH6/7 ? |
| 14:22.15 | d0uglas | yay it works |
| 14:22.22 | mrex | sorry, that is correct, SATA, is that the same as scsi |
| 14:22.35 | abrotman | no |
| 14:22.39 | d0uglas | mmiikkee12: do what caphuso said it's great |
| 14:22.40 | fireba11 | mrew: nay |
| 14:22.57 | mmiikkee12 | who's caphuso? |
| 14:23.01 | mrex | ok, then i have a scsi drive with an ide controller? |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | mrex: we'd need more specs i tihnk |
| 14:23.02 | d0uglas | the man |
| 14:23.05 | d0uglas | capitalized |
| 14:23.07 | fireba11 | mrew: S-ATA is the new IDE standard .. serial ATA opposed to the old paralled ATA |
| 14:23.17 | fireba11 | !sata |
| 14:23.17 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 14:23.26 | mrex | ok, ide chipset: intel 82801FB/FBM |
| 14:23.27 | fireba11 | hm .. |
| 14:23.41 | mrex | drives are samsung ide (scsi - says windows) |
| 14:23.45 | abrotman | mrex: is there a URL to the laptop ? |
| 14:23.52 | colk | I might upgrade to sata eventully right now ive got 3 IDE |
| 14:23.53 | abrotman | jgould: push harder |
| 14:23.59 | jgould | LOL |
| 14:24.13 | colk | my new motherboard has sata on board |
| 14:24.23 | d0uglas | theoretically (not that i'd actually do this), could I change this firefox setting and put together a modified distro with firefox set to close tabs on middle clicks and sell it, provided I include the gnu license? |
| 14:24.30 | mmiikkee12 | d0uglas: what do i change in about:config? |
| 14:24.32 | mrex | abrotman: url as in the laptop specs url |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | yeah |
| 14:24.49 | d0uglas | <caphuso> d0uglas: about:config and set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false |
| 14:24.50 | mmiikkee12 | they do it with linspire, why not? |
| 14:24.54 | limpio | pug, nope, it doesn't work, the other 2 keys in the right column, don't do it either |
| 14:24.54 | mmiikkee12 | oh ok |
| 14:24.56 | mrex | the laptop is a fujitsu siemens M3438G |
| 14:25.00 | d0uglas | <caphuso> d0uglas: about:config and set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false |
| 14:25.09 | pug | limpio: darn, no idea then |
| 14:25.12 | mmiikkee12 | you just pasted that :P |
| 14:25.13 | mrex | i can google you an url if u want. There is lots there |
| 14:25.13 | d0uglas | woops sorry |
| 14:25.20 | d0uglas | was paged up in bitchx |
| 14:25.22 | mmiikkee12 | !lart d0uglas for pasting twice |
| 14:25.25 | limpio | pug, thx anyways |
| 14:25.30 | pug | limpio: np =) |
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| 14:26.04 | jgould | limpio: Ctrl pg up/down maybe? |
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| 14:27.38 | limpio | jgould: that's what i meant by the "keys on the right column" that only moves it half a page at a time, i have a spanish keyboard and didn't know the name of those keys. |
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| 14:28.00 | limpio | oh well... i'll go half page at a time |
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| 14:28.22 | jgould | limpio: I just tried that and it didn't work, no idea |
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| 14:28.42 | mrex | abrotman: if you google amilo M3438G the first link gives specs |
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| 14:29.26 | mrex | i tried to use linux26 acpi=off and loaded ata_pixx as well as all other modules that looked like they may help |
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| 14:30.01 | mrex | dmesg output shows that it finds the cdrom and the ide controlled, but no drives |
| 14:30.23 | jm_ | you also need sd_mod if it's a SCSI device (i.e. SATA) |
| 14:30.40 | sciboy | [Job 19] Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": Success |
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| 14:30.48 | Vibes | Hi :) Is there an easy way to make an USB mass storage device "hotpluggable" plz? |
| 14:30.51 | jgould | It's sata |
| 14:31.03 | jm_ | Vibes: USB devices *are* hotpluggable |
| 14:31.07 | jgould | The spec page say it is |
| 14:31.08 | G2 | Rez: SNORT Hi, What software (if snort doesn't do it) can you use to e-mail an admin when snort detects scans/malware etc. I have read about the BASE frontend, but not sure it it does e-mail or IPTABLES throttling either? |
| 14:31.52 | Vibes | jm_, I mean I want to make the device automount on plug and unmount on unplug :x |
| 14:32.05 | mrex | thx jm_, will try. any other advice before i reboot? what about ide-scsi, ide-mod not being found? is that ok |
| 14:32.09 | jm_ | Vibes: apt-cache show usbmount |
| 14:32.22 | jm_ | mrex: you don't need ide-scsi with 2.6 kernels |
| 14:32.29 | sciboy | [Job 19] Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usblp0": Success |
| 14:32.29 | jm_ | and you don't want it either |
| 14:32.44 | mrex | jm_ : ok, thanks |
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| 14:32.53 | sciboy | Is usb:/dev/etc the right thing to be using? |
| 14:32.55 | Vibes | jm_, great! tahnks :) |
| 14:33.02 | abrotman | damn it! |
| 14:33.07 | abrotman | where'd he go? |
| 14:33.16 | abrotman | he has ich6 .. he needs one of the unofficial installers |
| 14:33.17 | jgould | He's trying to use the 2.4x kernel on the sarge net inst |
| 14:33.32 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. even the 2.6.8 on sarge won't work |
| 14:33.39 | jm_ | then he should get "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14" - worked fine for me |
| 14:33.45 | jgould | He'll be back, it won't work |
| 14:33.45 | abrotman | yes .. i know |
| 14:33.50 | ircdevil | what is the name of the bittornado download executable ? |
| 14:33.50 | abrotman | but he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:33.58 | jm_ | "I'll be back" |
| 14:34.03 | abrotman | ircdevil: bt<tab><tab> |
| 14:34.04 | ircdevil | those executable names are stupid |
| 14:34.17 | jm_ | ircdevil: dpkg -L is your friend |
| 14:34.17 | ircdevil | abrotman: i think i see all the regular gui ones |
| 14:34.19 | abrotman | ircdevil: file a wishlist bug :) |
| 14:34.25 | ircdevil | abrotman: :o) |
| 14:35.07 | ircdevil | jm_: sure |
| 14:35.34 | ircdevil | hmmm i get this ugly error: Gdk-ERROR **: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) // serial 254 error_code 2 request_code 45 minor_code 0 |
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| 14:38.46 | jgould | the iPod stores music rather oddly |
| 14:40.07 | d0uglas | You know what gets my goat? This AOL topspeed crap. When an AOLer loads up my site, one single aoler, I get a dozen aol proxy servers swarming into apache, effectively cutting people in the line to get served accumulatively |
| 14:40.36 | jgould | LOL |
| 14:40.38 | lawnchair | thats rude & uncalled for |
| 14:40.42 | lawnchair | you should write aol a letter |
| 14:40.45 | d0uglas | seriously |
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| 14:41.04 | Znh | hmm, how can I get the recent version of rdesktop instead of this very old one? |
| 14:41.08 | d0uglas | i did to tosadvisor@aol.com but it's STILL happening! and it's been over two weeks! |
| 14:41.09 | jgould | Agreed. And It's probably caching the page so it loads quicker for every one els |
| 14:41.16 | jgould | +e |
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| 14:41.31 | lawnchair | d0uglas, i suspect they will ignore you |
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| 14:41.49 | d0uglas | jgould: Then why all the different hosts? |
| 14:42.12 | d0uglas | and multiple loads on the same stuff within a relatively not-that-long a timespan? |
| 14:42.19 | d0uglas | I've thought about this, trust me. |
| 14:42.20 | mrex | jr_ : that didn't work. a lsmod showed that ata_piix and sd_mod had a zero next to them (that means they are unused I think?) |
| 14:42.24 | jgould | d0uglas: they may have several caching proxy servers |
| 14:42.34 | d0uglas | several million-billion rather |
| 14:43.08 | omry_ | hi. when I ssh into my server I get : ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host , it used to work fine. right now I have physical access. any suggestions? |
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| 14:43.24 | d0uglas | the way apache's configged defaultly, this would give them an edge in loading up a page on a crowded site, so they could theoretically market it as "topspeed technology" |
| 14:43.51 | d0uglas | that is, not taking into account the delay that is added from having the file passed from the site to the proxy to the client |
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| 14:45.05 | mrex | if one has an sata drives, what drivers are needed? one for the ide controller and one for the HD itself? |
| 14:46.06 | mpoer | mrex, i think that is an option when you install, isn't it? |
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| 14:46.49 | mrex | mpoer, not that i saw. I tried all the configurations and the damn thing doesnt detect a drive |
| 14:46.49 | mpoer | anyone running the linux-wlan-ng with success? |
| 14:47.34 | mrex | i just need to get a base system up and running on one of the drives and I'm set |
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| 14:47.58 | jgould | abrotman: He's back |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | he is ? |
| 14:48.09 | abrotman | mrex: ah! |
| 14:48.14 | mrex | hello |
| 14:48.15 | abrotman | !tell mrex about sarge 2.6.14 |
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| 14:48.21 | abrotman | mrex: try that :) |
| 14:48.23 | pingouin | what is *.m4v file type ? |
| 14:48.29 | abrotman | mpg4 probably |
| 14:48.31 | pingouin | i know it's video but...it's free ? |
| 14:48.32 | tarzeau | pingouin: what says file *.m4v ? |
| 14:48.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried it now? |
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| 14:48.48 | mpoer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 14:48.48 | pingouin | tarzeau: ISO Media |
| 14:48.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you not see?!?! |
| 14:48.51 | rikva | Where does iptables keep the logfiles? |
| 14:48.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: last night was buckabeer! |
| 14:48.55 | mrex | umm, i'd love to but i have one of these dial up connections that downloads like 7 megs and hour |
| 14:48.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's that? |
| 14:49.04 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 14:49.04 | dpkg | from memory, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 14:49.09 | Silent_al | hello |
| 14:49.27 | mrex | is there a baby version of this sarge that install just the base system (and is like 20 megs to download?) |
| 14:49.43 | huhcool | hey guys i have an oldschool laptop (PII-300, 64 Megs of ram) and was thinking of installing Damn Small Linux on it (since Debian runs real slow on it)... anyway I notice that D.S.L. includes aptitude for package management which is nice .. but I was wondering how difficult it would be to set up stuff like my PCMCIA network cards (both a 10-100 and a G Wireless) |
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| 14:50.01 | mpoer | mrex, did you try the floppy set? |
| 14:50.02 | jgould | net-inst si goign to be the smallest: (Around 30Mb) I did it on dialup the other night at work |
| 14:50.03 | abrotman | mrex: use the link that dpkg sent you |
| 14:50.04 | huhcool | would that be easy still to set up? does stuff get autodetected on installation as good as debian? |
| 14:50.06 | abrotman | mpoer: it won't work |
| 14:50.14 | mpoer | floppies + net install get you the basics |
| 14:50.20 | abrotman | jgould: netinst is 110MB .. BusCard is 40MB ... |
| 14:50.29 | tralala | huhcool: etch doesn't run slow on my PII366 laptop |
| 14:50.30 | abrotman | mpoer: no freaking crap .. but they won't work for him |
| 14:50.33 | jgould | Taht' sthe one I was tinking of then |
| 14:50.34 | mrex | ok, thanks guys! |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 14:50.40 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 14:50.41 | mpoer | sorry didn't read that |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | jgould: we're funny? |
| 14:51.08 | jgould | No Getting sleepy |
| 14:51.12 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 14:51.30 | jgould | I'm working my way over there, just not quickly |
| 14:51.36 | abrotman | mpoer: his laptop has ich6 .. not supported by standard sarge installer |
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| 14:52.14 | mpoer | oh, gotcha... sounds out of my league then :/ |
| 14:52.24 | Triffix | I have Debian installed and running alright, but I dont have any swap (according to 'free'), and I want some (because I run out of memory). How do I enable that (on an already installed system)? |
| 14:53.05 | mpoer | so anyone have success with linux-wlan-ng package? |
| 14:53.45 | colk | Triffix, do you have any unpartitioned space on the hard drive |
| 14:53.53 | huhcool | tralala> yeah? I'm runnin sarge on my PII300 with XFCE as my desktop environment .. takes forever to boot up ... and runs pretty slow once it has ... i use this laptop in mobile situations constantly, so i need it to boot up somewhat quickly. |
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| 14:54.25 | ruoso | Hi, I need some help diagnosing a possible Software RAID1 failure... |
| 14:54.46 | ruoso | I'm getting no errors in syslog, dmesg or messages |
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| 14:55.12 | ruoso | but when accessing a RAID1, the process locks for days |
| 14:55.12 | Triffix | colk: Yeah, I have a partition that fdisk says is Linux Swap/Solaris |
| 14:55.17 | Triffix | but I guess its not being used |
| 14:55.28 | colk | then mkswap /dev/hdxy |
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| 14:55.37 | ruoso | actually, I get a process running since 24 Oct |
| 14:55.43 | colk | replace xy with the disc name and partion |
| 14:55.48 | Triffix | colk, Ill look at that, thanks. |
| 14:56.02 | colk | then swapon that parition |
| 14:56.06 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:56.07 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:56.19 | ruoso | cat /proc/mdstat locks also |
| 14:56.34 | ruoso | as mdstat -D /dev/md0 |
| 14:57.19 | rikva | Does anyone know where Debian keeps the iptables logfiles? |
| 14:57.24 | Triffix | also, another weird thing - in some places, Linux seems to think of my primary drive as /dev/hdc, although it is actually /dev/hda (according, e.g., to grub and fdisk). Any ideas what could cause this confusion| |
| 14:59.19 | caphuso | rikva: iptables log (if you don't do anything special) to syslog |
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| 14:59.57 | rikva | caphuso: It doesn'r really log there, only one line when iptables starts |
| 15:00.02 | caphuso | well, nothing special except setting up some rules with a LOG targets |
| 15:00.41 | rikva | Ahh |
| 15:00.54 | rikva | I'll look at that then, thanks |
| 15:01.11 | Fujoor | just making sure a thing or two here, if i want a fluxbox on a clean debian install, should i type apt-get install fluxbox x-window-system |
| 15:01.18 | Fujoor | is that enough to get started with a gui? |
| 15:01.22 | Fujoor | and a terminal of course |
| 15:01.26 | caphuso | Fujoor: yes |
| 15:01.27 | abrotman | Fujoor: x-window-system-core |
| 15:01.35 | caphuso | probably even more than enough |
| 15:01.38 | Fujoor | abrot: isnt that included in x-window-system? |
| 15:01.54 | Fujoor | caphuso: oh, so x-window-system isnt required? |
| 15:01.56 | abrotman | Fujoor: x-window-system includes x-window-system-core |
| 15:02.03 | caphuso | Fujoor: yeah, but x-w-s installs a few pieces of software not everyone wants or needs |
| 15:02.11 | Fujoor | abrotman: ah ... ok |
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| 15:02.30 | Fujoor | caphuso: but still, as a beginner it could be the easiest choice, right? |
| 15:02.32 | abrotman | where'd cafuego go ? |
| 15:02.42 | Fujoor | caphuso: or should i look into exactly what i need? |
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| 15:02.45 | caphuso | Fujoor: i'd go with "fluxbox x-window-system-core xterm" |
| 15:02.48 | tecky | what do i need to install a eggdrop, i've got tcl8.4 installed |
| 15:02.57 | abrotman | Fujoor: and do you want a GUI login ? |
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| 15:03.02 | Triffix | cool mates, thanks for your help |
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| 15:03.15 | Fujoor | caphuso: ok, its an old computer, 200 mhz, is xterm the best choice?, i thought of going with aterm, but i really dont know the difference |
| 15:03.30 | Fujoor | abrotman: login as in ... wdm? |
| 15:03.42 | abrotman | Fujoor: like kdm/xdm/gdm etc |
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| 15:03.52 | caphuso | Fujoor: feel free to use whatever you want. i'm not going to impose my choices upon you |
| 15:03.52 | abrotman | Fujoor: instead of logging in at a shell and typing startx |
| 15:04.16 | cmdKeen | what packages do I need to run perl scripts on apache2 server ? |
| 15:04.25 | Fujoor | abrotman: yeah i guess so, it really doesnt matter though |
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| 15:04.39 | Fujoor | abrotman: but ill go for the fluxbox x-window-system and see what happens |
| 15:04.42 | abrotman | Fujoor: xdm is probably the lightest of the *DM packages .. |
| 15:04.50 | abrotman | well .. actually . i've never used pdm |
| 15:04.58 | tecky | what do i need to install a eggdrop?? I know I've got tcl8.4 installed |
| 15:05.00 | abrotman | or wdm i don't think |
| 15:05.01 | Fujoor | is it included in x-window-system or do i have to get it on my own? |
| 15:05.12 | caphuso | pdm is gone |
| 15:05.19 | abrotman | Fujoor: if you want xdm .. specify it on the line when you install .. just to make sure |
| 15:05.21 | caphuso | tecky: apt-get install eggdrop |
| 15:05.35 | caphuso | Fujoor: apt-cache show x-window-system | grep Depends: |
| 15:05.37 | tecky | E: Couldn't find package eggdrop |
| 15:05.43 | tecky | :P |
| 15:05.45 | Fujoor | yeah, its included in the x-window-system, i did a apt-cache depends x-window-system command (neat command btw :) |
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| 15:05.56 | Fujoor | oh, great minds think alike |
| 15:05.57 | Fujoor | hehe |
| 15:06.08 | Fujoor | didnt see you typed that |
| 15:06.12 | ke6isf | !iyhtays tecky |
| 15:06.12 | dpkg | tecky: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 15:06.21 | abrotman | Fujoor: yeah .. i think it's not a depend for x-w-s-c |
| 15:06.25 | caphuso | tecky: what linux distribution are you using? |
| 15:06.30 | tecky | debian |
| 15:06.30 | Fujoor | ok, xterm seems to be included |
| 15:06.32 | Fujoor | ill go for that |
| 15:06.35 | tecky | that would be why i'm in here =] |
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| 15:06.41 | ke6isf | tecky: What flavor of Debian? |
| 15:06.42 | Fujoor | and change if i dont like, i can always uninstall the small parts, right? |
| 15:06.52 | caphuso | tecky: then explain why debian includes eggdrop, yet you don't have it? |
| 15:06.56 | DonVincenzo | hi, I would like my system to perform apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade in a non interactive fashion, at startup.Since it requires root access, I do not know where I should add those commands. Can anyone help me ? |
| 15:06.56 | Fujoor | like uninstall xterm and install aterm instead and so on |
| 15:06.58 | tecky | ke6isf: it would be 3.1r0 |
| 15:07.02 | caphuso | !info eggdrop stable |
| 15:07.05 | dpkg | eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section net, is extra. Version: 1.6.17-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 459 kB, Installed size: 1144 kB |
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| 15:07.20 | tecky | :shrug: |
| 15:07.26 | tecky | i dont know i did a net install |
| 15:07.29 | tecky | and i have what i have |
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| 15:07.51 | sciboy | OKEY I GIVE UP! |
| 15:08.01 | robert1 | i am having trouble getting my accelerated nvidia card to work with etch |
| 15:08.02 | ke6isf | tecky: It's in main. You should be able to apt-get it. |
| 15:08.04 | sciboy | Does Knoppix automatically detect printers and setup cups? |
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| 15:08.09 | Guerin | sciboy: no. |
| 15:08.12 | tecky | hrm |
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| 15:08.29 | abrotman | sciboy: #knoppix ? |
| 15:08.35 | caphuso | tecky: dump your sources.list in #flood or on http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:08.49 | sciboy | I am completely out of ideas on how to get my printer working. |
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| 15:08.55 | ke6isf | sciboy: ask in #knoppix, not here. |
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| 15:09.21 | robert1 | xorg cant find the nvidia module |
| 15:09.31 | abrotman | did you make one ? |
| 15:09.34 | ke6isf | !nvidia |
| 15:09.34 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 15:09.53 | Fashong | Hello |
| 15:09.56 | tecky | caphuso: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1389. |
| 15:09.58 | cmdKeen | can I search for files in repositories ? |
| 15:10.07 | abrotman | cmdKeen: apt-file |
| 15:10.17 | caphuso | tecky: uhm, why is the main mirror commented out? |
| 15:10.17 | ke6isf | cmdKeen: apt-cache search, apt-file for individual files in packages. |
| 15:10.19 | robert1 | nvidia-howto |
| 15:10.35 | abrotman | !tell cmdKeen about search |
| 15:10.54 | tecky | fck if i know |
| 15:10.54 | ke6isf | !tell robert1 -about msg the bott |
| 15:10.56 | ke6isf | !tell robert1 -about msg the bot |
| 15:11.09 | Fashong | I wanted to know in DEBIAN how I can install it on my labtop so it's just text and no GUI |
| 15:11.09 | Fashong | it's gonna be my music server |
| 15:11.13 | abrotman | !tell robert1 about nvidia-howto |
| 15:11.31 | sciboy | Guerin: There's something i'm missing about why this usb printer won't work with cups... |
| 15:11.33 | Guerin | Fashong: default debian install is text-only |
| 15:11.46 | Fashong | Guerin: Thanks, I will try it |
| 15:11.49 | Guerin | sciboy: /msg dpkg printer is all I know about printing |
| 15:11.59 | DonVincenzo | Should I put apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, to automatically perform a system update at startup ? |
| 15:12.06 | Guerin | sciboy: and with any luck, all I ever will have to know |
| 15:12.06 | ke6isf | sciboy: Ask. In. #knoppix. |
| 15:12.09 | caphuso | DonVincenzo: that's a horrible idea |
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| 15:12.39 | DonVincenzo | caphuso: what should I do, then ? |
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| 15:13.08 | ex | I would like to configure defoma so that it recognizes regular fixed X fonts, so that I can use those fonts in Konsole. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 15:13.14 | stew | DonVincenzo: you are running stable? |
| 15:13.22 | sciboy | ke6isf: I'm not running knoppix right now. |
| 15:13.28 | ke6isf | sciboy: ...oh. Sorry. |
| 15:13.31 | mbuf | trying to install apache, apt-get install apache, returns, you might want to run apt-get -f install to correct dependences, but, with apt-get -f i still get the dependencies listed |
| 15:13.38 | caphuso | DonVincenzo: what you could do is using "apt-get update && apt-get -d dist-upgrade" with @reboot in cron |
| 15:13.44 | sciboy | ke6isf: I have been unable to get my printer working, so i'm wondering whether a little autodetection magic would help. |
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| 15:14.01 | DonVincenzo | ok |
| 15:14.09 | ke6isf | sciboy: Gonna not even touch this. I've never set up a printer in any Linux dist, let alone Debian. =/ |
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| 15:14.57 | stew | DonVincenzo: understand that -d makes apt-get download only, then you should be performing the acutal install by hand, unattended upgrades can leave you with a system that can't be logged nto |
| 15:14.57 | tecky | find /lib/ -name "libtcl*" ---- comes up w/ nothing |
| 15:15.00 | Guerin | let alone debian? |
| 15:15.02 | Guerin | it's not hard |
| 15:15.26 | stew | DonVincenzo: you should be subscribed to debian-security-announce so you'll be notified when new packages are released |
| 15:15.30 | Guerin | my mum set up her own epson usb $139-from-the-local-chain-appliance-shop printer without a hassle |
| 15:15.32 | sciboy | It isn't, first time i've had so much shit from a printer under linux. |
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| 15:15.46 | tecky | caphuso: find /lib/ -name "libtcl*" -- shows nothing in return |
| 15:15.53 | caphuso | tecky: that's to be expected |
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| 15:16.16 | caphuso | tecky: what's the purpose of that command? |
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| 15:16.44 | caphuso | finding out that tcl libraries aren't considered critical for booting your system and are therefor placed in /usr/lib? |
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| 15:18.24 | abrotman | tecky: why are you compiling eggdrop ? |
| 15:18.50 | caphuso | abrotman: because he commented out the "deb http://ftp.debian.org/..." line and can't install it |
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| 15:19.00 | abrotman | caphuso: so .. uncomment it ? |
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| 15:19.27 | caphuso | abrotman: i've hoped that this solution would be obivous enough. i was wrong :-( |
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| 15:19.45 | abrotman | caphuso: you need a brick |
| 15:19.55 | mmiikkee12 | who did the alpha gui installer for etch? |
| 15:20.02 | odoyletul | how do i get my mp3 player to work in debian |
| 15:20.02 | mmiikkee12 | i have a major bug report... |
| 15:20.06 | tecky | caphuso: no i understand |
| 15:20.08 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: so file a bug |
| 15:20.16 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: what is your bug? |
| 15:20.20 | tecky | i've just got a friend that wants to use a newer ver of eggdrop than 1.6.4 |
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| 15:20.30 | mmiikkee12 | a) it refused to start |
| 15:20.34 | odoyletul | it appears as a thumbdrive |
| 15:20.38 | mmiikkee12 | kept flickering my screen |
| 15:20.42 | tecky | and the reason i had it commented out was because i was having a serious problem about 3 days ago w/ apt |
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| 15:20.53 | odoyletul | but i cant copy or write to it |
| 15:20.59 | stew | tecky: we could probably help with your apt problem |
| 15:21.03 | abrotman | !tell odoyletul about vfatrw |
| 15:21.11 | abrotman | odoyletul: assuming it's vfat filesystem |
| 15:21.15 | mmiikkee12 | b) i ran debian-installer from vc2 and it was text mode |
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| 15:21.34 | mmiikkee12 | c) the text mode had a bunch of weird characters in random places |
| 15:21.35 | stew | tecky: if you want a version newer than the one in stable /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:21.38 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: you realize it's a development version ? |
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| 15:21.45 | mmiikkee12 | d) and from what i could read, it couldn't find my net card but supposedly found a firewire device |
| 15:21.52 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: yeah ;) |
| 15:22.08 | mmiikkee12 | just trying to point out things that should be fixed... |
| 15:22.10 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: so go to the place you downloaded it from .. look for instructions on filing a bug |
| 15:22.32 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: well you asked what it was ;) |
| 15:22.42 | stew | mmiikkee12: what card do you ahve? |
| 15:22.51 | mmiikkee12 | smc something |
| 15:22.51 | Fujoor | abrotman: ok everything is installed, but it seems as i have given the wrong resolution, how do i get back to the configuration menue? |
| 15:23.00 | abrotman | !drxx Fujoor |
| 15:23.00 | dpkg | Fujoor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 15:23.08 | stew | mmiikkee12: how does it show up when you run lspci? |
| 15:23.13 | Fujoor | ah :) thanks again |
| 15:23.18 | cmdKeen | I have apache2, libapache-mod-perl2 and perl installed, but localhost/*.cgi displays source instead of executing script... |
| 15:23.22 | mmiikkee12 | stew: can't check atm, i'm in windows |
| 15:23.34 | cmdKeen | am I missing somethinf ? |
| 15:23.54 | Fujoor | whats the most usual driver? i choose vga, and still it seems to be wrong? |
| 15:23.56 | tecky | stew: it seemed to resolve itself.. it wouldn't do a apt-get update for the life of me ... spent 30min trying to figure out what was wrong |
| 15:24.34 | stew | mmiikkee12: read the install-guide about how to file an installation report |
| 15:24.51 | mmiikkee12 | i'm sending it in now |
| 15:25.05 | robert1 | i hav something very wrong with my computer-i cant apt-get my kernel source or anything having to do with the kernel |
| 15:25.14 | robert1 | its all for 2.4 kernels |
| 15:25.24 | robert1 | i have a 2.6.12-1 kernel |
| 15:25.26 | abrotman | robert1: are you on testing/unstable ? |
| 15:25.29 | robert1 | testing |
| 15:25.29 | stew | robert1: what have you tried? |
| 15:25.33 | abrotman | robert1: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 15:25.35 | robert1 | what do you mean |
| 15:25.37 | botsy | where are the file whose are read by geten hosts ? |
| 15:25.44 | botsy | please help me ... |
| 15:25.47 | robert1 | what |
| 15:25.48 | stew | robert1: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 should work |
| 15:25.50 | robert1 | im new |
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| 15:25.55 | robert1 | it dosent |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | robert1: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 15:26.19 | ptlis | /etc/hosts ? |
| 15:26.26 | stew | !info linux-source-2.6.12 testing |
| 15:26.28 | robert1 | no its there now |
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| 15:26.31 | robert1 | whoa |
| 15:26.36 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.12: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-10 (etch), Packaged size: 35671 kB, Installed size: 35760 kB |
| 15:26.41 | robert1 | something is also wrong with my xorg |
| 15:26.51 | stew | robert1: can you be more specific? |
| 15:26.54 | robert1 | i cant get the nvidia accelerated working |
| 15:27.10 | robert1 | what packages must i download (nvidia-glx) |
| 15:27.13 | stew | robert1: what have you tried? what error are you getting? |
| 15:27.16 | robert1 | to get this working |
| 15:27.18 | stew | robert1: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:27.30 | abrotman | robert1: stop hitting enter every fifth word :) |
| 15:27.32 | robert1 | well it says the nvidia kernal module dosent exist |
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| 15:28.11 | robert1 | ok what packages must i install to get the accelerated nvidia drivers working |
| 15:28.16 | stew | robert1: did you compile nvidia-glx with module-assistant? |
| 15:28.38 | robert1 | what do u mean i got the binary off of synaptic |
| 15:28.44 | tuv | stew, robert1: you compile nvidia-kernel-module not nvidia-glx |
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| 15:28.54 | robert1 | i hav contrib main and non-free reposistories |
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| 15:29.25 | tchize | Hello debian crew, i have an enquiry to know what happened to a debian package. |
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| 15:29.26 | stew | robert1: did you compile nvidia with module-assistant? |
| 15:29.28 | robert1 | what is module-assistant |
| 15:29.36 | ke6isf | !m-a |
| 15:29.36 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 15:29.40 | stew | robert1: /msg dpkg module-assistant ; /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:29.45 | Drakoooo | hi, excuseme, anybody knows about xslt?? |
| 15:29.45 | tchize | I used to do a apt-get install maven, but there is nothing with that name anymore in debian :'( |
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| 15:29.56 | ke6isf | !tell Drakoooo -about ask |
| 15:29.56 | juSt`FuSioN | hello all :) |
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| 15:30.03 | Fujoor | ok, i have tried to install a lot of window managers and none of them seem to work, it seems like i input the wrong information about the graphic drivers, but even the simplest ones , wont work, vga 640 * 480, 16 bit |
| 15:30.04 | ke6isf | Wow, Sunday has started early. |
| 15:30.17 | Fujoor | it just says depth 16 (or whatever i choose) is not supported by this driver |
| 15:30.22 | sciboy | CUPS can't find my printer, (Epson C45), /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb returns absolutely nothing. |
| 15:30.27 | user01 | damn small linux doesnt do apt well... a minimal debian install with blackbox works great on my pentium II 64 MB of memory |
| 15:30.30 | robert1 | so do u know which packages off of apt i need to get for nvidia accelerated to work |
| 15:30.37 | Fujoor | do i need to install some special vga drivers? |
| 15:30.57 | user01 | it even does open office |
| 15:31.01 | tchize | nobody have any clue on what happened to this java based debian package (maven) ? |
| 15:31.09 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:31.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:31.12 | stew | user01: please go to #damnsmalllinux to discuss that distro |
| 15:31.15 | user01 | though mozilla and openoffice take a little while to load |
| 15:31.23 | stew | tchize: afaik it has never been in debian |
| 15:31.26 | botsy | ptlis, yes it's in /etc/hosts do you think it's possible i edit it for modify the value by default (localhost.domain) ... |
| 15:31.31 | Drakoooo | ke6isf : i want use function replace from Xpath functions references, i have a line like this: xmlns:fn="http://www.w3.org/2005/02/xpath-functions" but dont work |
| 15:31.38 | tchize | stew: am sure it was inside |
| 15:31.47 | user01 | stew: im discussing the minimal install of debian... |
| 15:31.56 | ke6isf | Drakoooo: Don't ask me, ask the channel. |
| 15:31.56 | tchize | like ant |
| 15:32.05 | ke6isf | user01: damnsmalllinux is not Debian. |
| 15:32.12 | Drakoooo | ok |
| 15:32.13 | ke6isf | !tell Drakoooo -about debian based |
| 15:32.13 | Drakoooo | anybody can help me? |
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| 15:32.16 | ptlis | I managed to parse your original question into something sane, botsy, but I have no idea what you're asking for now. |
| 15:32.22 | ke6isf | Drakoooo: Not unless you install Debian. |
| 15:32.29 | user01 | ke6isf: yes i know i was stating that the minimal install of debian was better |
| 15:32.40 | ptlis | Perhaps there's a debian channel in which you can speak your native tongue. |
| 15:32.42 | stew | user01: no, you aren't discussing debian, you are discussing damnsmalllinux /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 15:32.43 | ke6isf | oops... sorry Drakoooo, meant for user01. |
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| 15:32.51 | botsy | i want to change the hostname of my computer ... |
| 15:32.55 | Drakoooo | im user of debian |
| 15:33.08 | ke6isf | user01: Telling us that is like telling us that we're blind. |
| 15:33.09 | Drakoooo | but im proggramer too, so i need some help |
| 15:33.14 | user01 | ke6isf: i installed sarge netinstall thats not damn small linux |
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| 15:33.17 | ke6isf | Drakoooo: Like I said, wrong userid. =^^= |
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| 15:33.40 | LeaChim | How can i redirect where a certain file is installed through apt/dpkg? - say, i want /bin/whatever to actually be installed in /bin/somethingelse whenever i update etc. |
| 15:33.48 | ke6isf | user01: And you started waxing eloquent about dslinux. You're talking to the wrong person. *plonk* |
| 15:34.13 | stew | tchize: it hasn't been packaged yet: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323050 |
| 15:34.17 | user01 | ke6isf: wasnt talking to u |
| 15:34.19 | Drakoooo | if the question is not about debian... no body cant help me? |
| 15:34.20 | Drakoooo | :s |
| 15:34.30 | mmiikkee12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:34.43 | mmiikkee12 | !not debian |
| 15:34.44 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
| 15:34.55 | ke6isf | Drakoooo: Well... sort of. You might flesh out your ques a bit, maybe somebody can help you with more information. |
| 15:34.59 | mmiikkee12 | or ##linux |
| 15:35.16 | tchize | stew am speaking of the 1.1 maven, not the 2.0, completly different :) |
| 15:35.17 | user01 | mmiikkee12: i have debian sarge stable |
| 15:35.38 | Drakoooo | ke6isf, OK, thanks any way |
| 15:35.40 | ke6isf | Drakoooo: In short, follow the instructions in that factoid I had dpkg send you a bit ago. If you lost it, then /msg dpkg ask. |
| 15:35.41 | mmiikkee12 | i thought we were flaming Drakoooo |
| 15:36.01 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: No, user01. Sez that dslinux is better than Debian. =^^= |
| 15:36.07 | mmiikkee12 | oh |
| 15:36.09 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 15:36.09 | NOthsouth | how can I set initial group and group with adduse ? |
| 15:36.16 | NOthsouth | how can I set initial group and group with adduser* |
| 15:36.19 | ke6isf | Hmm, time for work.... /me & |
| 15:36.24 | Drakoooo | bytes |
| 15:36.29 | mmiikkee12 | !lart user01 for saying dslinux is better than Debian. |
| 15:36.32 | tchize | anyway, if there is no debian package, then i have not maven installed at work, then this mean i have dreamed of my work for a whole year |
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| 15:36.43 | user01 | dslinux is fine for wha it does im sure...just not the best solution for a pentiuim II i dont think hard drive install |
| 15:37.09 | webfreak | !lart mmiikkee12 for using the bot so much |
| 15:37.23 | webfreak | ;) |
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| 15:37.32 | mmiikkee12 | !lart webfreak for saying !lart mmiikkee12 for using the bot so much |
| 15:37.39 | abrotman | stop with the damn bot |
| 15:37.43 | mmiikkee12 | take that ;) |
| 15:37.54 | ciruzzoapapa | hi there ... how do I get answers given to debconf configuration questions during installation from a system and feed another system? |
| 15:38.05 | mmiikkee12 | ever consider turning lart off? |
| 15:38.08 | mmiikkee12 | :P |
| 15:38.19 | abrotman | ever considered .. not using the bot ? |
| 15:38.25 | user01 | is there a lighter x-based web browser than firefox? |
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| 15:38.40 | Le_Vert | konqueror |
| 15:38.41 | user01 | opera maybe? |
| 15:38.48 | abrotman | konqueror is not lighter |
| 15:38.55 | ciruzzoapapa | user01: try opera |
| 15:38.55 | Le_Vert | i think it is |
| 15:39.00 | abrotman | you'd be lying |
| 15:39.04 | Le_Vert | i sure it is ;) |
| 15:39.09 | Le_Vert | im |
| 15:39.15 | stew | user01: dillo, xterm -e w3m-img, xterm -e links2 -g |
| 15:39.19 | abrotman | user01: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ |
| 15:39.21 | Guerin | konqueror is lighter - if you're already running kde |
| 15:39.26 | StephenZhao | I don't think so |
| 15:39.31 | abrotman | but who the hell would want to run kde ? |
| 15:39.41 | webfreak | heh |
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| 15:39.44 | Le_Vert | i'm running gnome with all kde apps :) |
| 15:39.47 | Le_Vert | it's fine |
| 15:39.50 | webfreak | ... |
| 15:40.02 | abrotman | Le_Vert: on your P34 325Ghz machine with 2452TB RAM ? |
| 15:40.05 | NOthsouth | stew, how can I set group and Initial group using adduser ? |
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| 15:40.35 | Le_Vert | centrino 1600 / 512M |
| 15:40.35 | StephenZhao | man adduser |
| 15:40.41 | maxb | Is there a canonical central place to adjust the default system umask? |
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| 15:40.49 | Le_Vert | user useradd instead of adduser |
| 15:40.52 | Le_Vert | use |
| 15:40.54 | maxb | It seems to be set in various different places. |
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| 15:41.04 | Fraze | how can I run a program as root in KDE? |
| 15:41.10 | ciruzzoapapa | is there an alternative to debconf? |
| 15:41.30 | NOthsouth | what's the difference between useradd and adduser ? |
| 15:41.43 | StephenZhao | man them |
| 15:41.49 | Guerin | NOthsouth: they have different manual pages |
| 15:41.53 | abrotman | Fraze: sux |
| 15:42.04 | Guerin | NOthsouth: which you should have read about three hours ago when you were last asking about this |
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| 15:42.19 | dmz | hey y'all |
| 15:42.24 | Fraze | abrotman: I don't have sux.. |
| 15:42.26 | LeaChim | How can i redirect where a certain file is installed through apt/dpkg? - say, i want /bin/whatever to actually be installed in /bin/somethingelse whenever i update etc. |
| 15:42.33 | dmz | isn't there an archive of previous debian packages? |
| 15:42.37 | dmz | i can't remember url? |
| 15:42.40 | caphuso | LeaChim: dpkg-divert |
| 15:42.42 | NOthsouth | i just use useradd, but it don't create the home dir. of my new user |
| 15:42.44 | abrotman | !installit |
| 15:42.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 15:42.49 | abrotman | dmz: snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 15:43.00 | abrotman | NOthsouth: then use adduser |
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| 15:43.06 | LeaChim | caphuso, thanks |
| 15:43.06 | abrotman | NOthsouth: or learn how to use useradd |
| 15:43.18 | NOthsouth | but there is no initial group in adduser man |
| 15:43.40 | dmz | thanks |
| 15:43.46 | NOthsouth | I use the home dir parameter of useradd.. but don't wokr |
| 15:43.55 | Le_Vert | mkdir & chown are your fiend dude |
| 15:43.56 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 15:43.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:43.59 | Guerin | NOthsouth: strace it |
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| 15:44.26 | NOthsouth | useradd -d /home/joe joe |
| 15:44.26 | webfreak | man you guys rip people apart ;) |
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| 15:44.39 | abrotman | webfreak: some people can't read :) |
| 15:44.53 | webfreak | abrotman: yeah, it's sad |
| 15:45.00 | NOthsouth | ok |
| 15:45.18 | NOthsouth | there is no initial group in adduser man |
| 15:45.20 | NOthsouth | i'm sure |
| 15:45.40 | ciruzzoapapa | does the di use debconf to configure packages? |
| 15:45.44 | caphuso | NOthsouth: and there's also no --create-home option in useradd man |
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| 15:46.17 | Nwallins | hello, installed the rails package on etch. i get the rails welcome message, but 'Hello World' comes up empty. As does any url other than / (i.e. welcome message). random url's should give a 'Missing Template' page, or some other error |
| 15:46.25 | StephenZhao | adduser --system [options] [--home DIR] [--shell SHELL] [--no-create- |
| 15:46.26 | StephenZhao | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.26 | StephenZhao | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.30 | webfreak | or -g |
| 15:46.39 | Guerin | StephenZhao: why the fuck are you pasting? |
| 15:46.49 | webfreak | sheesh |
| 15:46.50 | cr3 | anyone know of a program to monitor files and report when they changed? I'm thinking like monitoring my inbox that way to warn me when I receive mail. |
| 15:46.57 | NOthsouth | -g = group not initial group |
| 15:47.10 | caphuso | cr3: xbiff? |
| 15:47.22 | StephenZhao | tell hime the --group |
| 15:47.27 | Guerin | cr3: monit |
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| 15:47.34 | Guerin | cr3: there's another one starting with d |
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| 15:47.51 | cr3 | caphuso: I looked into xbiff, but I want to extend my monitoring beyond strictly email. |
| 15:48.49 | abrotman | !fam |
| 15:48.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 15:48.55 | abrotman | cr3: ^^ |
| 15:49.03 | abrotman | cr3: maybe .. not sure |
| 15:49.04 | cr3 | caphuso: also, xbiff is very limited in customizing its behavior. |
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| 15:49.20 | ciruzzoapapa | does the debian installer use the debconf sustem to configure debian packages? |
| 15:49.41 | Guerin | cr3: what else would it use/ |
| 15:49.44 | Guerin | ciruzzoapapa: ^ |
| 15:49.46 | cr3 | abrotman: cheers, that's some nasty news :) |
| 15:50.00 | maxb | Where do SSH sessions get their default umask from? |
| 15:50.02 | abrotman | cr3: it's packaged .. you don't have to compile it |
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| 15:50.18 | thingfish | !efm |
| 15:50.18 | dpkg | it has been said that efm is Enlightenment File Manager and since its no longer available from enlightenent.org (discontinued development, enlightenment is being incorperated into it iirc) /ctcp gnea edcc send #11 (probably not totally correct but you get the point), or you can add this line to your sources.list: "deb http://people.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads efm-cvs/" |
| 15:50.24 | abrotman | !info fam sarge |
| 15:50.28 | Guerin | cr3: dnotify |
| 15:50.30 | ciruzzoapapa | Guerin: another unanswered question was are there any alternative to debconf? |
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| 15:50.43 | abrotman | ciruzzoapapa: in debian ? |
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| 15:50.45 | Guerin | ciruzzoapapa: plenty, but not in debian. |
| 15:50.46 | caphuso | ciruzzoapapa: redhat/suse/gentoo all use alternatives to debconf |
| 15:51.02 | Guerin | ciruzzoapapa: if you want to use something other than debconf, you want to use something other than debian. |
| 15:51.29 | ciruzzoapapa | thankz ya all :) is there a way to get answers given to debconf in the install phase and feed another debian installer? |
| 15:51.32 | dpkg | fam: (File Alteration Monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-6sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
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| 15:52.24 | Nwallins | w.r.t. my failed rails install, i have a message in log/development.log that says config/routes.rb is missing, when it in fact exists. |
| 15:52.32 | caphuso | ciruzzoapapa: of course |
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| 15:53.13 | Nwallins | in #rubyonrails they recommended to re-install. is that as simple as `apt-get remove rails && apt-get install rails`? |
| 15:53.41 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: do you mean get-selections | set-selections? |
| 15:54.08 | Guerin | ciruzzoapapa: look into installer preloading, or fai |
| 15:54.15 | caphuso | ciruzzoapapa: read the chapter about automatic installations in the install manual |
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| 15:54.50 | caphuso | or is it a section? i forgot |
| 15:54.55 | cr3 | Guerin: interesting, I have actually seen dnotify when grepping "notify" in apt-cache dump, but the description didn't look like what I was looking for. now that you mention it, I will look at it more closely. thanks. |
| 15:55.27 | james_shoemaker | is there a howto or other guidance on getting GRUB to work with a compaq smart array controller? Or should I just use lilo? |
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| 15:57.13 | SlayerXP | james_shoemaker: i've done it, it's a bit of a pest |
| 15:57.35 | SlayerXP | james_shoemaker: google for the exact prococedure, that's how I found out how to do it |
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| 15:57.40 | james_shoemaker | after fiddling with it for a couple of hours last night I figured that out |
| 15:57.50 | james_shoemaker | that it was hard that is |
| 15:58.26 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: Guerin I'm using fai ... I need to fil the debconf file with informations about a package how do I? |
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| 16:01.57 | Guerin | if you want an alternative to debconf, I recommend YAST - look at this for quality: http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
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| 16:02.15 | human_error | how do I disable xon/xoff in all terminals? |
| 16:02.31 | cr3 | how can I send a bell character (^G) from the command line? |
| 16:02.36 | caphuso | Guerin: haha |
| 16:02.38 | Guerin | !bell |
| 16:02.39 | dpkg | i guess bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
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| 16:02.46 | caphuso | cr3: man echo |
| 16:02.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 16:02.58 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: in the manual debconf-get-selections is mentioned but If I run it in the already installed system I don't get the answer I gave in the instllation phase |
| 16:03.58 | caphuso | ciruzzoapapa: then you've changed the setting between the installation and now |
| 16:04.08 | human_error | cr3: ^v sends the next char literally |
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| 16:04.51 | human_error | how do I disable xon/xoff in all terminals? i can only do it individually using stty. |
| 16:05.30 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: I'll set it again |
| 16:05.37 | bipto | can anyone help with getting db_purge to work? |
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| 16:06.03 | ciruzzoapapa | but I didn't |
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| 16:06.45 | e-spy | where can i get apach2.2 debian packet |
| 16:07.11 | blondie | a what? |
| 16:07.13 | Nwallins | e-spy: i don't think there is a sid package yet. check packages.debian.org |
| 16:07.22 | Guerin | human_error: put the stty command in profile or bashrc? Won't takke effect until login, but... |
| 16:07.30 | e-spy | Nwallins, it's not there |
| 16:07.36 | Guerin | e-spy: you make one yourself. Good luck! |
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| 16:08.06 | e-spy | Guerin, yes total waste of time i allready trayed |
| 16:08.20 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: I'm getting something wrong here |
| 16:08.30 | human_error | Guerin: i need it to work for rxvt too |
| 16:08.30 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: /etc/default/nis is set by debconf? |
| 16:08.43 | human_error | basically i want to have ^S free |
| 16:08.47 | Guerin | e-spy: if you can't build packages from source before OS distributors consider them releasable, you're not qualified to use them. Use 2.0. |
| 16:09.10 | caphuso | ciruzzoapapa: dunno |
| 16:09.40 | e-spy | Guerin, i can compile it without package |
| 16:09.56 | e-spy | but it like the way that debian organizes config files |
| 16:10.18 | Guerin | e-spy: making a debian package isn't hard. You can even use checkinstall if you really need to. |
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| 16:10.45 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: cos even If I dpkg-reconfigure nis it doesnt' ask me about its content |
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| 16:12.03 | e-spy | Guerin, thx i did not konow about that |
| 16:12.06 | caphuso | ciruzzoapapa: then that's your answer |
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| 16:13.01 | BioTech | are there any cheats for xgalaga? |
| 16:15.13 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: but if I purge then reinstall I got asked |
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| 16:15.30 | caphuso | ciruzzoapapa: got asked what? |
| 16:15.52 | ciruzzoapapa | caphuso: now I got it sorry |
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| 16:17.19 | BioTech | are there any cheats for xgalaga? |
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| 16:17.24 | Smerdyakov | I'm using the rsnapshot package for maintaining rsync-based backup images. It's started terminating abnormally, saying that /bin/cp has exhausted memory. Does anyone know what I can do about that? |
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| 16:17.44 | nayyares | hi |
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| 16:18.13 | nick01 | on what cd is gnome ? 1, 2 3 or what ? |
| 16:18.15 | nayyares | is there any howto for configuring linux cluster? i have never done it :( |
| 16:18.22 | Debbieandme | morning |
| 16:18.28 | thingfish | nick01: 1 or 2. |
| 16:18.36 | stew | nayyares: do you mean a parallel computation cluseter or a high availability cluster? |
| 16:18.47 | nick01 | tks |
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| 16:19.01 | nayyares | stew, parallel computing cluster. |
| 16:19.04 | nick01 | hi Hawkwind - u switched to debian ? :D |
| 16:19.06 | Debbieandme | any one know if any laptop utils i can install? |
| 16:19.29 | Hawkwind | nick01: I run Debian unstable on my laptop |
| 16:19.40 | ciruzzoapapa | Debbieandme: acpid |
| 16:19.44 | stew | nayyares: dunno then, i know about the other :) |
| 16:19.50 | nick01 | Hawkwind, and I intend to use it for my router |
| 16:19.56 | nayyares | stew, hehe |
| 16:20.00 | Smerdyakov | Debbieandme, buy your next laptop with Debian preinstalled. :) |
| 16:20.03 | stew | nick01: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 16:20.12 | Haukkari | How to get pstats and profiler modules to Python in Debian? Do I have to compile it myself? |
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| 16:20.49 | stew | Haukkari: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:20.54 | nick01 | stew /msg dpkg which cd gnome ? doesn't work |
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| 16:21.02 | stew | !which cd |
| 16:21.02 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 16:21.10 | stew | nick01: try http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo |
| 16:21.31 | nick01 | tks |
| 16:22.01 | nick01 | yeah cd 2 |
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| 16:22.23 | stew | nick01: gnome-desktop-environment is on cd1 however, so it depends on how much of gnome you want |
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| 16:22.28 | nayyares | stew, what is the high availability cluster? |
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| 16:23.16 | stew | nayyares: failover; having more than one computer appear to the outside world as one computer so that if a machine becomes unavailable the public services are not interrupted |
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| 16:23.38 | nick01 | stew, all of it- I hope cd1 and cd2 will cover it |
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| 16:24.12 | nayyares | stew, is it some kind of replication service? |
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| 16:24.56 | Debbieandme | hello all I got deb on my oold laptop how can I get laptop tools and what not |
| 16:25.05 | stew | nayyares: sort of. http://ultramonkey.org for an overview |
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| 16:26.09 | stew | Debbieandme: what are you after specifically? |
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| 16:26.18 | BusMaster | is there a gui tool which will allow me to cut out parts from a video CD ? |
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| 16:27.10 | zulu42 | hi there, I'm playin with etherwake to wake up my p4p800 3com integrated board, I set in the bios wake on modem, pci device etc... but when on the other box I run etherwake p4p800macaddress, I see the light blinking on the lan but no wake up... did I forget to do something? |
| 16:27.20 | Debbieandme | stew I need um battery monitor sleep and shutdown |
| 16:27.30 | stew | Debbieandme: do you run kde? gnome? |
| 16:27.38 | Debbieandme | gnome |
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| 16:28.07 | stew | Debbieandme: apt-cache search gnome laptop |
| 16:28.18 | Debbieandme | ok |
| 16:29.39 | nick01 | stew, I'm downloading sid unofficial cds, what version of gnome and gcc is in sid ? do u know ? |
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| 16:31.45 | _rene_ | nick01: WTF don't you look yourself for this trivial questions? |
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| 16:32.06 | abrotman | nick01: packages.debian.org |
| 16:32.12 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 16:32.43 | stew | nick01: installing sid might not be a good idea |
| 16:33.01 | stew | s/might not be/isn't/ |
| 16:33.24 | zulu42 | Hi, I read with a lot of interest apt howto and discovered apt-file, but if I use apt-file search something I never have a responds nor do I for apt-file list something... Do I have to set/configure something for that to work? |
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| 16:33.36 | jgould | Any one ever use suspend2 |
| 16:33.37 | stew | zulu42: apt-file update |
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| 16:34.02 | zulu42 | okiiiii thx stew |
| 16:34.35 | jgould | or at least built a kernel with the option |
| 16:35.46 | nick01 | stew, how so ? |
| 16:36.43 | zulu42 | stew I had to install curl for apt-file update to work, perhaps a missing dependancy in the apt-file package? |
| 16:36.47 | nick01 | _rene_, cause the info on distrowatch looks out of date |
| 16:37.06 | _rene_ | and WTF are you looking at distrowatch? |
| 16:37.11 | _rene_ | but not on Debians site? |
| 16:37.15 | _rene_ | god damnit |
| 16:37.25 | nayyares | stew, this project is for both load balancing and high availability :) |
| 16:37.28 | nick01 | _rene_, looking on debian site now |
| 16:37.28 | _rene_ | but stew is right, if you need to ask those questions |
| 16:37.31 | _rene_ | DON'T USE SID |
| 16:37.38 | nick01 | lol |
| 16:37.39 | stew | nick01: sid is meant for developers, and it breaks, often, if you didn't even know how to find the current version of gcc on your own you are not ready for it |
| 16:38.00 | nick01 | found it now ... |
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| 16:38.18 | nayyares | stew, is load balancing parallel computing? |
| 16:38.26 | adrakoa | i have a problem with eth0, says "eth0:link up, 100Mps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45e1" lpa??? help |
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| 16:38.40 | stew | nayyares: no, parallel computing would be somehting like beowolf, mosix |
| 16:39.32 | stew | nayyares: load balancing is split many tasks among multiple machines. parallel computing is split the work of one task among multiple machines |
| 16:39.42 | jgould | any one know what the module piix is for? |
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| 16:39.57 | resiak | The piix ide chipset |
| 16:40.36 | jgould | I hate laptops, It's too hard to take it apart and look at the chips |
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| 16:41.00 | tchize | jgould: want a hammer? |
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| 16:41.13 | McCabe | a while ago i switched to runit. most init.d scripts are easy to replace, but the one for vmware is kind of advanced and im not sure how to make a runit script so i have to start it manually everytime :/. Anyone know of a good solution for me either to run the old script automaticall or how to make a runit script for it? |
| 16:41.16 | edrin | hi |
| 16:41.59 | jgould | I'm trying to build an initrd image for my new kernel that *should* support suspend2 wehn I'm done |
| 16:42.23 | jgould | tchize: No thanks, I'd like it to work when I put it back together |
| 16:42.45 | tchize | it could be still working after |
| 16:42.52 | tchize | but not according to manufacturer specs |
| 16:42.57 | jgould | LOL |
| 16:44.24 | jgould | for an initrd image, I *should* just need the IDE modules so it can read the kernel off of the disk, right? |
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| 16:44.51 | edrin | aptitude update of my debian testing today reports "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/update unknown error executing gpgv |
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| 16:44.58 | edrin | aptitude update of my debian testing today reports "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/update unknown error executing gpgv" |
| 16:45.08 | edrin | what happened? |
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| 16:45.19 | stew | jgould: no, the kernel is in the mbr, you need the IDE modules in the initrd so you can mount your root partition |
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| 16:45.44 | stew | edrin: you have gnupg installed? |
| 16:45.44 | edrin | the kernel is in the mbr? |
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| 16:45.47 | jgould | so either way, I need the IDE modules |
| 16:45.49 | xored | how can i mount a USB driver ? |
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| 16:45.57 | edrin | stew i dont know? |
| 16:45.58 | botsy | what's the command for flush the entry of mailq ? |
| 16:46.07 | stew | jgould: if your root filesystem is on an ide drive, yes |
| 16:46.07 | xored | drive |
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| 16:46.15 | stew | xored: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 16:46.29 | edrin | stew: yes, gnupg is installed |
| 16:46.30 | jgould | hdc but yes, on an IDE chain |
| 16:46.40 | g3brown | Have Sarge running with 4 drives. In fstab what should the dump and pass be set to on drives 3-4? |
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| 16:48.24 | blondie | mine are 0 and 0 |
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| 16:49.14 | __filip_ | Where can i find the testing netinstall cd? |
| 16:49.15 | concept10 | what does it mean when a application is sleeping? does it still consume physical memory? |
| 16:49.30 | g3brown | blondie: I read man on the those settings, but I'm not sure what it means. My system drive is 0 and 1 |
| 16:49.54 | blondie | g3brown: set them to 0 2 apaprently |
| 16:49.55 | jgould | Am I the only one who has tried to get software suspend working? |
| 16:50.07 | stew | jgould: no |
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| 16:50.25 | tuv | __filip_: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 16:50.31 | jgould | g3brown I have 0 1 on my root and 0 2 on my home part |
| 16:50.45 | jgould | stew: How hard was it once it was compiled in with the kernel |
| 16:50.51 | D-N-A | when i put the dsl cable into my laptop and write in the terminal /sbin/pump it say operation failed |
| 16:50.52 | D-N-A | ? |
| 16:50.57 | D-N-A | what gonna i do ? |
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| 16:51.25 | g3brown | Any ideas on what the 2 means? |
| 16:51.46 | jgould | Nope |
| 16:51.54 | __filip_ | Does i only need the first cd to install debian? I dont need gnome or x. |
| 16:51.57 | blondie | g3brown: it's an order |
| 16:52.02 | blondie | the man page says |
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| 16:52.15 | stew | jgould: i just followed the howto |
| 16:52.15 | thingfish | __filip_: the first CD will be plenty, then. |
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| 16:52.28 | usn | hi folx |
| 16:52.30 | D-N-A | ???? |
| 16:52.42 | g3brown | blondie: yeah, I read that too. I wonder if my 3rd drive should be 3 and 4th a 4? |
| 16:52.46 | stew | jgould: it's been a while since i've used it, i'm using s3 bios suspend these days |
| 16:52.47 | __filip_ | thingfish: Thanx =) |
| 16:52.57 | D-N-A | when i put the dsl cable into my laptop and write in the terminal /sbin/pump it say operation failed |
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| 16:53.06 | blondie | g3brown: I suspect it doesn't really matter :) |
| 16:53.07 | D-N-A | what gonna ido |
| 16:53.07 | __filip_ | And this is the testing version ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch/ ? |
| 16:53.10 | blondie | mine are all 1 |
| 16:53.27 | g3brown | blondie: yeah until something goes wrong that is hahah |
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| 16:53.41 | jgould | I tried but I've had problems with it trying to mount the root drive. (Presumably because of no initrd and all the block device drivers are loaded as modules) |
| 16:54.39 | stew | g3brown: man fstab, read the secction on passno |
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| 16:54.54 | g3brown | stew: did |
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| 16:55.17 | stew | g3brown: then there is no way you should be wondering if your 3rd drive should be a 3 |
| 16:56.10 | D-N-A | when i put the dsl cable into my laptop and write in the terminal /sbin/pump it say operation failed |
| 16:56.13 | D-N-A | ? |
| 16:56.15 | g3brown | stew: I'm sure it just shows my ignorance level but I'm living proof your last statment is wrong :) |
| 16:56.18 | D-N-A | any ideas :( |
| 16:56.38 | stew | g3brown: "The root filesystem should be specified with a fs_passno of 1, and other filesystems should have a fs_passno of 2." <-- do not understand part of that? |
| 16:56.38 | kate | hi |
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| 16:57.00 | jgould | g3brown: any thing higher than 2 is an invalid number, set them at 2 |
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| 16:58.45 | g3brown | stew: I think I'm clear now. Thanks. |
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| 16:58.49 | g3brown | jgould: thanks |
| 16:59.27 | MrRio | is it possible to give synaptic the location of a local deb file to install from the command line? |
| 16:59.52 | kate | hello any1 their ? |
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| 17:00.14 | perlarssonon | Where does i get the tsting version of debian? |
| 17:00.39 | jgould | MrRio: use dpkg -i <.DEB file name> |
| 17:00.45 | kate | LOSERS |
| 17:00.50 | kate | !!!!! |
| 17:00.50 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 17:00.53 | MrRio | katekate: losers? |
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| 17:01.36 | MrRio | jgould, i need the synaptic gui |
| 17:01.50 | Craigoary | i need to vent, if you have a bitchy sister, message me |
| 17:02.20 | jgould | MrRio: apt-get install synaptic as root |
| 17:03.14 | MrRio | jgould: yeah, i have synaptic, ill ask the question again, i need to beable to open up synaptic and get it to install a local deb package |
| 17:03.20 | MrRio | from the command line |
| 17:03.27 | MrRio | its for a python script |
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| 17:04.23 | adrakoa | MrRio edit /etc/apt/sources.lst, add deb file:///... |
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| 17:04.23 | Ungy | OK I checked the debian bugs on the unstable/firefox package and I didn't see it there I was wondering if anyone else is having trouble reacing there preferences in firefox 1.5 I get an xml error I want to know if it is just my chrome registry that is borked or if it is a bug I shoudl be reporting |
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| 17:06.09 | MrRio | adrakoa: that fails, i added the line 'deb file:///home/rio/Downloads/skype-XYZ.deb' |
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| 17:06.30 | MrRio | and synaptic says the list of sources could not be read, which is what i thought would happen. |
| 17:06.33 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 17:06.38 | adrakoa | without skype-* |
| 17:07.02 | Ungy | adrakoa, your trying to get skype to work? |
| 17:07.07 | pumpkin0 | MrRio: did you try installing via dpkg ? |
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| 17:07.17 | MrRio | same problem |
| 17:07.24 | MrRio | pumpkin0, yeah, that works fine thanks |
| 17:07.35 | sobersabre | is there an nvidia-debian-testing resources page on the www ? I have strange xorg behaviour on my machine. |
| 17:07.48 | MrRio | i just need to fire up a graphical progess of a deb file installing |
| 17:07.50 | Ungy | adrakoa, I followed an ubuntu guide on how to repackage skype and have had no problems since then |
| 17:08.52 | adrakoa | Ungy i don't use skype, i was trying help to MrRio |
| 17:09.20 | Ungy | adrakoa, ahh OK |
| 17:09.53 | Ungy | MrRio, you trying to get skype to work? what version of Debian you on? |
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| 17:10.29 | MrRio | skype is fine |
| 17:10.34 | MrRio | the deb file im using is irrelevant, as part of my python script |
| 17:10.36 | MrRio | i need |
| 17:10.56 | MrRio | to launch synaptic to show the progress of installing a deb file |
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| 17:11.45 | Haukkari | why isn't python-smbpasswd in stable? :/ |
| 17:11.52 | Haukkari | and is it safe to install it from testing? |
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| 17:12.12 | scanwinder | whats the device name for a usb mouse in debian? |
| 17:12.13 | Blues-Man | hi all |
| 17:12.16 | pumpkin0 | MrRio: you are trying to use a X11-GUI during install, right ? Did you try "sudo apt-get install <package>" ? That way the installer-scripts have the right to connect to the X11-server |
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| 17:13.40 | nayyares | stew, heartbeat is linux builtin service? |
| 17:13.44 | MrRio | pumpkin0: nah, im trying to get synaptic to install a package from the harddrive without any user input |
| 17:13.47 | Blues-Man | I have debian etch installed via dvd but I can't find k3b, and I see in packages.debian.org that it is only for sarge or unstable, why? |
| 17:14.12 | MrRio | so, my program says do you want to install XYZ, synaptic launches and installs it, so you can see the progress of the installation |
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| 17:16.30 | Kluster_v2 | gkrellm displays way too many processes running (123) while top says 57, any idea who's lying and WHY ? |
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| 17:16.57 | pumpkin0 | Kluster_v2: run "ps aux" as root. |
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| 17:17.58 | pumpkin0 | scanwinder: /dev/usb/mouse0 ? it depends on the devfs/udev/normal dev ... you are running. |
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| 17:18.21 | Kluster_v2 | pumpkin0, 58 lines |
| 17:19.05 | Kluster_v2 | so top was right (as I thought), but what causes gkrellm to lie ? |
| 17:19.12 | pumpkin0 | Kluster_v2: what is missing ? which processes do not show up ? |
| 17:19.24 | ick | I forgot the exact name of the binary apt-*****-version** ors something like that. It should list all packages with their specific version. |
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| 17:19.44 | Kluster_v2 | pug, well ps aux added to the 57 others becomes 58 I guess |
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| 17:21.07 | Kvant | ick, apt-show-versions ? |
| 17:21.08 | ick | Never mind, I found it:apt-show-versions |
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| 17:21.18 | jgould | that's a good question Kluster_v2 Mine says 100 and I have 84 running |
| 17:21.56 | robert1 | i have a question about installing the nvidia accelerated drivers |
| 17:22.15 | pumpkin0 | jgould: Yes, but which 16 processes ? |
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| 17:22.48 | adrakoa | somebody with the driver 8139too recived this problem "eth0:link up,100Mps,full duplex, lpa 0x45e1" |
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| 17:22.58 | jgould | That I can't anwser. |
| 17:23.36 | robert1 | i have a question about installing the nvidia accelerated drivers which packages from apt do u hav to install to get the drivers working |
| 17:24.08 | cheal | !tell robert1 about nvidia-howto |
| 17:24.18 | robert1 | i tried that |
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| 17:26.41 | gourdin | hi there |
| 17:27.01 | gourdin | /sbin/cryptsetup create usbstick /dev/sda2 |
| 17:27.09 | gourdin | Command failed: Invalid Argument |
| 17:27.31 | gourdin | This stick is working on an other box running fairly the same debian dist |
| 17:27.34 | gourdin | same kernel |
| 17:27.35 | Kluster_v2 | mmm, the lappy's gkrellm isn't lying |
| 17:27.40 | gourdin | am I missing something ? |
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| 17:28.10 | roler | is there a way to create .tar or .bz with a password required to uncompress? |
| 17:29.02 | SimonRaven | .bz2 .bz is the old kaput version. man tar; man bzip2 |
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| 17:30.23 | Kvant | roler, pipe it through gpg, maybe? |
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| 17:31.38 | sobersabre | !tell sobersabre about nvidia-howto |
| 17:32.37 | sobersabre | hmm.. |
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| 17:32.46 | sobersabre | /finger mtroll |
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| 17:33.29 | jgould | FourierSeries: What was the tar command to back up my home dir again. I think now I should have written it down and am now trying to set it up on a cron to run weekly |
| 17:33.45 | sobersabre | does anybody know what can cause the xorg to be suddenly slower after stable->testing upgrade ? |
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| 17:34.00 | pumpkin0 | jgould: "tar cvf /backup.tar ~/" |
| 17:34.01 | hume | hi...got a strange apt-problem in a new testing installation: package libslp1 gives error msgs and I cannot remove it either - what to do to get rid of it? |
| 17:34.03 | sobersabre | I am using the latest stable nvidia drivers for the GPU |
| 17:34.11 | sobersabre | it is an old, supported card |
| 17:34.17 | sobersabre | very odd. |
| 17:34.25 | sobersabre | any useful resources link would be nice... |
| 17:34.38 | hume | I try apt-get remove libslp1 and get error, saying debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" |
| 17:34.49 | pumpkin0 | sobersabre: run "glxinfo" and search for Indirect |
| 17:34.50 | d0uglas | sobersabre: "If you're interested in video [/sound], you shouldn't be running Debian." |
| 17:35.15 | sobersabre | d0uglas: hmm... maybe you should switch channel... ? |
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| 17:35.23 | pumpkin0 | hume: "lsof | grep /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" |
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| 17:35.35 | psychonate | d0uglas, oh, how so? |
| 17:35.38 | d0uglas | woah easy ... it's the mantra |
| 17:35.41 | tuxbeginner | hello |
| 17:35.50 | Jarot | hello all |
| 17:35.50 | d0uglas | outdated, yes |
| 17:36.11 | jgould | pumpkin0: throwing a z in there will gzip it, correct? |
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| 17:36.25 | hume | pumpkin0: gives me: frontend 5433 root 4rW REG 3,2 67168 320215 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 17:36.33 | tuxbeginner | I need some help with mounting an external CD-drive |
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| 17:36.55 | Kvant | hume, ps 5433 |
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| 17:37.02 | pumpkin0 | jgould: maybe... "man tar" should give you the answer |
| 17:37.03 | jgould | tuxbeginner how does it connect to the system |
| 17:37.11 | psychonate | pumpkin0, back me, and I'll give you half of what we win ;) |
| 17:37.19 | tuxbeginner | the CD-drive is detected but I do not know how to mount it |
| 17:37.34 | tuxbeginner | jgould USB |
| 17:37.42 | sobersabre | pumpkin0: no 'indirect's |
| 17:37.49 | hume | Kvant: vista4:~# ps 5433 |
| 17:37.49 | hume | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.49 | hume | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.58 | sobersabre | I am using now nvidiafb can this slow things down ? |
| 17:38.03 | hume | Kvant: makes any sense? |
| 17:38.15 | jgould | tuxbeginner: your system loads the usb modules at boot correct? |
| 17:38.16 | pumpkin0 | hume: kill that process with kill 5433 |
| 17:38.17 | tuxbeginner | jgould: last line of dmesg: Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 5 |
| 17:38.27 | d0uglas | ruby on rails: worth buying a book for? |
| 17:38.39 | tuxbeginner | jgould: I think so, a USB pen drive works fine |
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| 17:38.48 | hume | pumpkin0: ok, and then....apt-get --purge remove libslp1? |
| 17:38.48 | sobersabre | d0uglas: isn't web resources enough for ror ? |
| 17:38.53 | Kvant | hume, maybe... try this: "ps aux | less +/5433", should give more info |
| 17:39.16 | d0uglas | sobersabre: Ehh well if you're gonna start a language, it's a big relationship, you wanna kick it off romantically with a book.. not some google search |
| 17:39.22 | d0uglas | with the cached links |
| 17:39.26 | hume | Kvant: i killed it.... |
| 17:39.28 | jgould | tuxbeginner: did you install the OS off this drive |
| 17:39.30 | pumpkin0 | hume: it should work now. |
| 17:39.37 | sobersabre | d0uglas: by the way, the rol site some incarnation of the book, and on ruby too. |
| 17:39.49 | sobersabre | read and see if you want it on paper... |
| 17:39.53 | hume | pumpkin0: no, same error....:( |
| 17:40.11 | pumpkin0 | hume: kill the process with "kill -9 5433" |
| 17:40.21 | d0uglas | sober i was trying to ask if it was good.. worded it a lil bit idiomatically. |
| 17:40.22 | migiel | can i use "amd64" for an amd semptron 64? |
| 17:40.26 | hume | Kvant: tried what you said and it seems to give empty outpunt now |
| 17:40.40 | d0uglas | figuratively rather. i am not buying a book |
| 17:41.00 | d0uglas | i'll maybe read the slashdot links. |
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| 17:41.04 | tuxbeginner | jgould: no, it is a CD-recorder and was not connected during installation |
| 17:41.38 | hume | Kvant: now i get some output, what to do with that? From what you suggested before, I mean |
| 17:41.38 | pumpkin0 | hume: you cannot install something via apt-get while another programm is also running apt-related operations. You will have to hunt down all open programms/processes which block apt. |
| 17:41.44 | hume | pumpkin0: still same error.... |
| 17:41.56 | hume | and the process returns with a new pid |
| 17:42.04 | scanwinder | how do i setup a usb mouse in XF86Config in debian? |
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| 17:42.08 | d0uglas | sobersabre: you're really breaking my balls man |
| 17:42.16 | jgould | tuxbeginner: try as root mount /dev/sda /cdrom -t iso9660, if that dosent work, try sdb, then sdc etc. |
| 17:42.20 | tuxbeginner | jgould: I thought usbmount could handle USB pen drives AND other USB drives |
| 17:42.32 | pumpkin0 | hume: argh. close everything and try again. |
| 17:43.09 | thingfish | scanwinder: you don't. Use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. If you've already tried to edit XF86Config-4 by hand, or used xf86config, do /msg dpkg xmd5. |
| 17:43.10 | jgould | tuxbeginner: I use the mount command for every mount. I didn't even know there was one for usb devices... |
| 17:43.10 | hume | it also says the package is in a very inconsistent shape and I should reinstall it, however, i tried and it didnt work eiither |
| 17:43.21 | sobersabre | d0uglas: i think i am not familiar with the precise meaning of the idiom 'to break someone's balls' i feel you don't like it though. |
| 17:43.31 | hume | pumpkin0: is there no way fo force dpkg to remove it? |
| 17:43.31 | d0uglas | you see, there you go again |
| 17:43.46 | d0uglas | it's similar to busting my balls or riding me |
| 17:43.50 | scanwinder | thingfish: dpkg-reconfigure only allows me to configure 1 mouse |
| 17:43.52 | d0uglas | and you know that don't you |
| 17:43.53 | pumpkin0 | hume: not while another programm is using apt's DB. |
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| 17:44.04 | scanwinder | thingfish: its a laptop and it needs to have both usb and touchpad |
| 17:44.06 | tuxbeginner | jgould: it is not very comfortable (at least to me) to mount USB devices by hand |
| 17:44.18 | hume | pumpkin0: ok, reboots....back in a while |
| 17:44.28 | jgould | tuxbeginner: In that case, I'm not sure. |
| 17:44.30 | sobersabre | d0uglas: sorry... buffer overflow here.... try simple english... me non native english speaker. |
| 17:44.42 | d0uglas | oh |
| 17:44.42 | tobias | what's a good utility for doing regexp, recursive find & replace? |
| 17:45.04 | tobias | (other than writing a perl/php script) |
| 17:45.05 | d0uglas | well that explains everything because what i'm saying must be getting lost in your translation |
| 17:45.11 | sobersabre | tobias: sed |
| 17:45.25 | tobias | sobersabre: ahh thx, i always forget the name |
| 17:45.27 | sobersabre | or perl or other things like ruby/python... depends on the task |
| 17:45.54 | d0uglas | Is ticket scalping scalping [still illegal] if you're selling the tickets for less than the box office price |
| 17:46.13 | clanehin | I'm looking for information about fixing my system after trying to install linux-image-2.6.14-2-powerpc, which is badly broken. It hangs on install and remove. |
| 17:46.34 | sobersabre | d0uglas: I do know some english, don't despair. i have a vocabulary of 13223 words |
| 17:46.36 | sobersabre | ;) |
| 17:47.12 | tuxbeginner | jgould: the devises sda, sdb... do not exist |
| 17:47.13 | d0uglas | 13223 sounds like a fair amount |
| 17:47.13 | Schreiber | I tried to install debian's base system and got the mistake message "e2fsprogs could not be downloaded". What can I do? |
| 17:47.18 | intx_ | d0uglas I believe it's considered scalping if you're selling it for more than the price printed on the ticket |
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| 17:47.29 | d0uglas | intx_: ok thought so |
| 17:48.29 | tuxbeginner | jgould: dmesg tells me Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 5. But sg0 "is not a block-device" |
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| 17:48.54 | sobersabre | d0uglas: i miss in the idioms sometimes. but anyway. i never meant to 'get on your nerves' or to to disturb you in any way, i jus tdiscovered rol not long ago and went through the relevant web info... thus the remarks. |
| 17:49.24 | d0uglas | ok well we don't need to "debug" the situation |
| 17:49.32 | sobersabre | indeed :) |
| 17:49.46 | sobersabre | though it is buggy |
| 17:50.16 | sobersabre | ok. folks. I discovered a clue to my xorg slowness: nvidiafb |
| 17:50.20 | sobersabre | don't use it. |
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| 17:51.21 | jgould | tuxbeginner: I'm not sure, maybe some one else can help |
| 17:51.41 | d0uglas | anybody dealt with those motherboards that come with CDs for its windows drivers? I have an asus board that plays sound out of the mic jack and i thought i'd tackle this before the crank wears off |
| 17:51.43 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: what's the problem... |
| 17:52.04 | dagar | anyone use a promise SATA150 TX2plus on sarge? |
| 17:52.11 | mmiikkee12 | i just installed debian and it locked up installing grub, any ideas? |
| 17:52.11 | jgould | is security.debian.org having issues? |
| 17:52.25 | tuxbeginner | hello sobersabre: I have a problem with an external cd-recorder |
| 17:52.41 | sobersabre | d0uglas: what's the exact mobo model ? |
| 17:52.44 | d0uglas | jgould: it would seem so |
| 17:52.47 | fndude | I am trying to get my xserver (xorg) to start and bind to tty1 (I'm running under xen). Is there a startx cmd line option for this? I've tried startx --:1 to no avail. |
| 17:52.52 | mmiikkee12 | lilo also locked up after i rebooted |
| 17:53.01 | d0uglas | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error |
| 17:53.02 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: what's the prob exactly ? which CDrec is it ? |
| 17:53.15 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: For USB pen drives I use usbmount (mounts dynamically devices) but it does not mount the recorder |
| 17:53.21 | Kluster_v2 | d0uglas, as I recall asus had this problem, your mic becomes the headphones and the headphones becomes the mic |
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| 17:53.47 | d0uglas | right but the sound is mono and very low with a lot of noise |
| 17:54.03 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: is this a USB recorder ? |
| 17:54.08 | tuxbeginner | YES |
| 17:54.16 | tuxbeginner | see pm for dmesg output |
| 17:54.19 | d0uglas | this sounds like a whole ball of wrong and i'd better just grab an old sound card out of the trash |
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| 17:54.25 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: do you see it in syslog attached and detached ? |
| 17:54.43 | sobersabre | d0uglas: is this a very old mobo ? |
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| 17:55.05 | d0uglas | few years, amd 2600 "xp optimized" |
| 17:55.10 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: sorry, what syslog..? |
| 17:55.12 | futlib | hi, I have a question: I need the wxwidgets 2.6 packages (devel and runtime), but I am using stable. Just wondering if I have to go on a journey for backports of if I can just add the packages I need to my sources.list |
| 17:55.17 | Kluster_v2 | d0uglas, I thought you said one should stay away from Debian for video [/sound] hehe |
| 17:55.18 | d0uglas | ... was what it was packing |
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| 17:55.33 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: syslog is ... a ... hmm... RTFM! |
| 17:55.36 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:55.36 | sysfault | anyone have a Sony Vaio VGN-A790? |
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| 17:55.44 | d0uglas | Kluster exactly but i never figured out how to untar things so i have to use debian for apt :) |
| 17:55.45 | sobersabre | exactly as it sounds: system logger. |
| 17:55.51 | d0uglas | video/sound or not |
| 17:55.53 | sobersabre | it has a file /var/log/syslog |
| 17:56.01 | jgould | d0uglas: Some where around here I have a old ISA SB 8 you can have... :) |
| 17:56.13 | jgould | that you need to be root to access |
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| 17:56.31 | sobersabre | in it are written misc. system messages, you should poll it ( run: tail -f /var/log/syslog ) and attach and detach the recorder. |
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| 17:56.34 | d0uglas | root huh |
| 17:56.35 | BenDrake | hey all |
| 17:56.39 | d0uglas | i can have that too? |
| 17:56.48 | d0uglas | ... for sound purposes? |
| 17:56.57 | d0uglas | remote sound heh |
| 17:57.01 | jgould | the root comment was re: syslog |
| 17:57.05 | jgould | LOL |
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| 17:57.22 | hax | has anyone used ip2geo or any similar services? |
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| 17:57.49 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: are you following ? |
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| 17:59.29 | sobersabre | hmm... |
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| 17:59.59 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: this file is HUGE |
| 18:00.07 | tuxbeginner | found the lines |
| 18:00.07 | tobias | hm, how about iterating through the lines in a file, in bash? |
| 18:00.27 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: what is HUGE ? |
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| 18:00.41 | tobias | its for foo in $BAR; do ...; done always seems to break on spaces |
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| 18:01.05 | jgould | sobersabre: His syslog |
| 18:01.17 | dagar | anyone know the kernel module needed for a promise sata controller? |
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| 18:01.28 | sobersabre | OH... I seee... .girls have you heard about his syslog? |
| 18:01.38 | jgould | LOL |
| 18:02.04 | sobersabre | I've heard rumours, you can know certain things about people from their syslogs |
| 18:02.13 | sobersabre | like... |
| 18:02.23 | sobersabre | if their recorders are working or not... |
| 18:02.27 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: http://pastebin.com/476817 |
| 18:02.34 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: i can |
| 18:02.42 | sobersabre | not handle too much readong |
| 18:02.46 | sobersabre | readings |
| 18:02.53 | sobersabre | how many lines is it ? |
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| 18:02.59 | tuxbeginner | 20 or so |
| 18:03.05 | sobersabre | ok... |
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| 18:03.08 | nayyares | stew, you there??? |
| 18:03.14 | zorzella | anyone, please help! I upgraded to etch, and my emacs now only shows boxes in place of letters. Any ideas? |
| 18:03.17 | sobersabre | seems enough to write about the detection... |
| 18:03.23 | Hackel | Is there any program out there which will watch/record everything done by a "make install" process and allow you to undo it? I usually try to build everything into debian packages for this purpose but often this extra work is unnecessary and annoying. |
| 18:03.37 | sobersabre | zorzella: i have an idea: replace the boxes with letters! |
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| 18:04.01 | nayyares | do any body have some experience with Open-MOSIX? |
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| 18:04.37 | zorzella | sobersabre, very funny. No emacs for you! |
| 18:04.50 | zorzella | sobersabre, without the thing I'm crippled |
| 18:05.04 | xoz | Hackel: tried script? |
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| 18:05.14 | zorzella | sobersabre, so I'm having to use terminal mode ("-nw") |
| 18:05.17 | nayyares | Open-MOSIX is available for 2.6 kernel, and in my linux box, it is 2.6, is there any way to install it on my box? |
| 18:05.19 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: any idea why sg0 does not work? |
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| 18:05.41 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: i have a clue: because sg.ko is not loaded. |
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| 18:05.46 | sobersabre | try to load it. |
| 18:05.48 | blondie | why would linux say this: "mount: /dev/hdc1 already mounted or /mnt/hdc busy" <-- /dev/hdc1 is not already mounted, and the second thing doesn't make sense |
| 18:05.54 | sobersabre | this requires misc scsi modules. |
| 18:05.59 | Hackel | xoz: I was hoping for something a little more automated and secure, without having to search through line by line what's going on. |
| 18:06.22 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: so "sg.ko" is a module? |
| 18:06.37 | sobersabre | zorzella: what exactly have you done that made the fonts to dissapear ? |
| 18:06.51 | nayyares | is there any way to install a packge initially made for 2.4 on 2.6??? |
| 18:06.56 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: you can call it by the name 'sg' from modprobe and it shall load. |
| 18:07.02 | blondie | nayyares: just install it |
| 18:07.03 | blondie | ? |
| 18:07.20 | sobersabre | zorzella: boxen means fonts are not found. |
| 18:07.36 | nayyares | blondie: but it clearly mentioned that it is for 2.4 kernel, ?? |
| 18:07.47 | sobersabre | zorzella: you can analyze /var/log/Xorg.0.log for missing fonts and add them to the config file... |
| 18:07.53 | blondie | nayyares: but is that because it was written before 2.6? |
| 18:07.56 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: ok, loaded. I try to plug it in again... |
| 18:08.01 | zorzella | sobersabre, that's what I'm thinking -- that maybe the upgrade did not install fonts it needs, now. Or that it screwed up the lookup path |
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| 18:08.30 | sobersabre | zorzella: sometimes the 'x-windows-system' package needs to be installed explicitly |
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| 18:08.47 | sobersabre | and if font has bad permissions, it will also show as box |
| 18:09.01 | sobersabre | zorzella: have you dist-upgraded ? |
| 18:09.03 | dli | when I exportfs a folder for nfs, can I also include mount points underneath? |
| 18:09.17 | nayyares | blondie: would it be possible to install it on 2.6 kernel, while it is made on 2.4 kernel, Open-MOSIX is in fact kernel patch. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=46729 |
| 18:09.21 | sobersabre | dli: what do you mean underneath ? |
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| 18:09.32 | blondie | nayyares: oh a kernel patch, no idea |
| 18:10.00 | dli | sobersabre, I want to export my home /home/dli, and also the /home/dli/usb (mount point for usb-hdd). |
| 18:10.00 | sobersabre | you export the whole subtree, including everything, ( maybe except other network mounts ) |
| 18:10.13 | charwood | I'm trying to recompile my kernel using make-kpkg and it keeps insisting that there is 'nothing to be done.'. I've run make clean and make kpkg-clean but it is to no avail. |
| 18:10.29 | dli | sobersabre, can this be done by exporting /home/dli only |
| 18:10.29 | charwood | What must I do to force it to make me a new kernel.deb? |
| 18:10.46 | sobersabre | dli: why don't you f******g try ? :) |
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| 18:10.56 | sobersabre | dli: it won't hurt you. |
| 18:11.09 | jgould | make deb-pkg |
| 18:11.22 | charwood | jgould: Was that directed at me? |
| 18:11.30 | sobersabre | dli: experiment is the engine of the science, not the thought. |
| 18:11.36 | xoz | charwood: what exactly the command you used? |
| 18:11.39 | jgould | charwood : yea |
| 18:11.41 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: the CD drive made some noise, but nothing more...BUT I found : Dec 23 19:07:13 localhost scsi.agent[3738]: sr_mod: can't be loaded (for cdrom) |
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| 18:11.57 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: so another module I gues... |
| 18:12.00 | netcrusher88 | does anyone know of any debian-compatible precompiled kernels with suspend2 support? |
| 18:12.04 | sancho___ | should the hostname configured in /etc/hostname be FQDN or unqualified? |
| 18:12.06 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: you need to load all the scsi drivers and usb ones. |
| 18:12.08 | charwood | jgould: Seems to be workng... I had done it before with make-kpkg. What is the difference? |
| 18:12.12 | dli | charwood, do you have a .config ? |
| 18:12.13 | netcrusher88 | my custom kernel freezes after "testing crc32c" |
| 18:12.20 | sobersabre | sancho___: NOT. |
| 18:12.31 | jgould | charwood: Dunno. I'm currently watching one build as we speak |
| 18:12.35 | sancho___ | sobersabre: thanks - do you know where that is documented? |
| 18:12.53 | xoz | make-kpkg is the way to go |
| 18:12.54 | charwood | Yes. I do. I think that it might have been that I patched it with the debian logo and it needed more configurration then. |
| 18:13.07 | sobersabre | sancho___: you need to see the documentation's docs. they should tell. man man hosts |
| 18:13.07 | charwood | xoz: What is the diffference? |
| 18:13.21 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: you remind me on a general question: is it possible to get a list of names of ALL modules compiled (loaded and not loaded) |
| 18:13.25 | sobersabre | sancho___: i am kidding. |
| 18:13.35 | sobersabre | sobersabre: man modprobe |
| 18:13.44 | tuxbeginner | :) |
| 18:13.45 | dli | charwood, ask dpkg about kp |
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| 18:13.50 | silvinho | hrm anyone ever hotswapped a new drive into a debian system? do you have to anything to get the disk recognized ? |
| 18:13.51 | sobersabre | i mean s/sobersabre/tuxbeginner/ |
| 18:13.52 | dli | dpkg tell charwood about kp |
| 18:13.58 | zorzella | sobresabre, sorry, I was looking at the log. 1) Yes I aptitude dist-upgraded it. 2) x-window-system is not installed (wait a sec for another remark on this!) 3) Xorg.0.log says "(WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"". Now, I do have the folder, but not fonts.dir. I can't find it either by grepping etch's Contents-i386.gz, so I assume it's generated. Any bells so far? |
| 18:14.05 | xoz | charwood: kpkg means kernel package... go figure. |
| 18:14.23 | sancho___ | sobersabre: and where does dnsdomainname(1) get the information about the domain name from? /etc/hosts? ...it doesn't get written to any other file from what I can tell... |
| 18:14.27 | zorzella | sobresabre, btw, all other X applications work just fine |
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| 18:14.42 | sobersabre | sancho___: man nsswitch |
| 18:14.47 | sobersabre | or nsswitch.conf |
| 18:14.47 | charwood | Also, if you hadn't noticed (and this isn't a debian issue), my keyboard keeps repeating if I have my keys down for even a split second. My KDE settings are at 400ms... why would this be? |
| 18:14.55 | sobersabre | or maybe I've missed an 's' |
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| 18:15.12 | sancho___ | sobersabre: only domainname(1) would use nsswitch.conf, no? |
| 18:15.18 | jgould | sobersabre: I think you did |
| 18:15.23 | sep | silvinho, you usualy use the tool included with your hotswap hardware to rescan the bus or similar. i use the tw_cli tool for 3ware cards |
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| 18:15.31 | zorzella | sobresabre, as for installing x-window-system, if I try that it tells me it will remove some 20 packages (e.g. " libxinerama-dev libxmu-dev libxrandr-dev libxt-dev libxv-dev ocaml"). Should I proceed? |
| 18:15.39 | sobersabre | sancho___: answer libresolver uses it. thus glibc, and it can be many sources |
| 18:15.39 | silvinho | sep: ah so the controller has to support hot swap ? |
| 18:15.44 | xoz | charwood: xset for keyboard repeat |
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| 18:15.51 | sobersabre | zorzella: |
| 18:15.53 | sep | silvinho, ofcouse. |
| 18:16.12 | sobersabre | I don't know if you should proceeed, but which debian have you had before the upgrade ? |
| 18:16.25 | zorzella | sobresabre, sarge |
| 18:16.29 | sancho___ | sobersabre: cool, thanks. |
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| 18:16.38 | silvinho | sep: eh should have figured as much |
| 18:17.17 | otroean | have mistakenly installed a module and need to remove it from linux header. How can i find and remove it? |
| 18:17.29 | sobersabre | zorzella: this means you need to dig the web for sarge ( stable) -> testing / unstable upgrade docs. they exist. |
| 18:17.38 | zorzella | sobresabre, any thoughts on the missing fonts.dir? |
| 18:17.40 | sep | silvinho, 3ware workes very good for me |
| 18:17.47 | dli | otroean, lsmod, rmmod |
| 18:17.49 | zorzella | sobresabre, RTFM, uh? |
| 18:18.03 | silvinho | sep: i have a 3ware card, just not in the machine i want to hot swap a drive into |
| 18:18.09 | charwood | xoz: You are officially my hero. |
| 18:18.12 | sancho___ | are there any potential gotchas when mixing testing packages into a stable system? |
| 18:18.13 | sobersabre | zorzella: I thinkg you should read what is going to be installed after those are removed. and .. as for fonts.dir you can create it with mkfontdir utility |
| 18:18.15 | jgould | were techs we don't RTFM |
| 18:18.22 | scanwinder | im trying to get a wireless usb microsoft mouse to work in debian and, ive tried reconfiguring xfree86 a few times and cant get it to work |
| 18:18.24 | sobersabre | sancho___: many :) |
| 18:18.36 | xoz | charwood: just lucky |
| 18:18.37 | scanwinder | is there a module i have to load to get a usb mouse to work? |
| 18:18.47 | dli | zorzella, did you install xfonts-base, xfonts-100dpi ? |
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| 18:18.58 | sobersabre | sancho___: try installing skype and you get a clue. |
| 18:19.07 | sancho___ | sobersabre: is it generally unrecommended, or more of a proceed with caution? and what would be the kind of caution to proceed with? |
| 18:19.36 | sancho___ | scanwinder: to you have USB HID support in your kernel? |
| 18:19.41 | sobersabre | sancho___: the greatest caution. beware the jabberwock, my son. |
| 18:19.52 | jgould | you too huh |
| 18:20.09 | scanwinder | sancho___: when i go modprobe usbhid, it says module cant be found , does that mean i dont? |
| 18:20.11 | sep | silvinho, then your hotswapping chances are rather slim. if you are sufficiently insane you could try ramming in a pci controller into the pci bus and try loading it's module. it should fry your hardware and give you other things to worry about then your uptime. :) |
| 18:20.32 | sobersabre | jgould_: was that for me ? |
| 18:20.34 | zorzella | dli, yep. Them both there. I just did a manual mkfontsdir, and now I see fonts.dir there, too. Lemme see If I can start another X, so as to not have to kill this chat |
| 18:20.48 | jgould | no It was a reply to Xoz |
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| 18:20.55 | sancho___ | scanwinder: probably. your kernel probably doesn't have support for it as a module, but I think you can also put support directly in the kernel. |
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| 18:21.02 | silvinho | sep: eh not worth the trouble, trying to dd a hd image, just putting it on another machine and ill boot knoppix |
| 18:21.10 | sobersabre | oh... me paranoid. i am afraid of jabberwocks. |
| 18:21.33 | otroean | the module file isn't installed but the file exist when I'm building with module assistant. When can I find the file? |
| 18:21.35 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: how's the recorder ? |
| 18:21.37 | scanwinder | sancho___: so what do i do?(im a bit of a noob) |
| 18:22.13 | sancho___ | scanwinder: start getting intimate with your kernel ;) what kernel you have running, and where from? |
| 18:22.17 | zorzella | sobersabre, dli, wouldhave known? mkfontsdir fixed my emacs!!!!!!!!!!! I have to kill X, though, so I have to bid farewell... |
| 18:22.46 | jgould | we need to make a note of that |
| 18:23.08 | jgould | that's the second time in two days I've seen the emacs boxes issue come in here |
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| 18:23.13 | zorzella | sobersabre, dli, you, guys are a lifesaver. Thanks, |
| 18:23.31 | sobersabre | zorzella: that's nice. keep your .emacs in chmod 400 ;) |
| 18:23.33 | dli | jgould, I wonder why dpkg didn't mkfontsdir :( |
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| 18:23.45 | sobersabre | dli: maybe it forgot.. |
| 18:23.58 | jgould | I don't know, but we do know how to fix it now. |
| 18:23.59 | scanwinder | sancho___: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:24.13 | sifi | zorzella, for the GUI or the shell version? |
| 18:24.16 | sancho___ | scanwinder: do you have a /proc/config.gz? |
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| 18:24.30 | zorzella | sifi, the X version, of course. "-nw" has always worked |
| 18:24.32 | dli | jgould, for other emacs issues, usually, they will be gone in xemacs, which however requires a powerful box |
| 18:24.46 | sifi | zorzella, of course =) |
| 18:24.50 | scanwinder | sancho___: no |
| 18:25.06 | sancho___ | scanwinder: probably not actually. Do you have the kernel sources lying around, or was this a compiled kernel image that installed with Debian? |
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| 18:25.20 | sobersabre | I hate emacs only for one thing: I don't know how to use it ;) |
| 18:25.24 | sifi | zorzella, is emacs more powerful then xemacs? |
| 18:25.27 | jgould | Same here. |
| 18:25.28 | scanwinder | sancho___: installed with debian |
| 18:25.47 | scanwinder | sancho___: what if i install a later kernel with apt-get? one that has support in it already? |
| 18:26.16 | zorzella | sifi, I've always used emacs rather than xemacs (only toyed a bit with it)... I think you can find defenders on both ends, but xemacs is kind of abandoned, as far as I know... |
| 18:26.18 | jgould | sancho___ : I would think the 2.6.8-2-686 (It was installed by the instaler on my box) would work wonders |
| 18:26.19 | sancho___ | scanwinder: I dont' know how to determine what support for what binary kernels have, but I would expect a "stock" Debian kernel would surely have USB HID support. |
| 18:26.41 | scanwinder | sancho___: well it would appear not in this case........ |
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| 18:26.42 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: found out, I did not compile scsi cdrom device driver...... |
| 18:26.54 | jgould | Although I think the 2.4 that I had when I installed Sarge had HID support |
| 18:26.55 | sifi | zorzella, ah |
| 18:27.02 | sobersabre | tuxbeginner: so that's why it is not recommended to use custom kernel.. |
| 18:27.05 | stew | scanwinder: your kernel config is in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:27.06 | sancho___ | scanwinder: what do you see in 'dmesg' when you attach your mouse? |
| 18:27.27 | Haukkari | how can I teach dpkg? |
| 18:27.31 | Haukkari | or can I? |
| 18:27.40 | sobersabre | ok guys... thanks for the .... any ways cheers all. |
| 18:27.47 | zorzella | sifi, don't get misled by the name, though: they both work either console or X... |
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| 18:27.48 | stew | scanwinder: and the debian kernels would certainly have HID support |
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| 18:28.01 | zorzella | sifi, long story, bitter open source fork... |
| 18:28.16 | zorzella | sifi, anyway, I gotta kill X. Byw |
| 18:28.24 | tuxbeginner | sobersabre: I need a custom kernel for acpi...... |
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| 18:28.34 | stew | Haukkari: /msg dpkg foo is blahblahblah ; or "/msg dpkg help" for more instructions |
| 18:28.42 | Haukkari | stew: roger that, thanks |
| 18:28.55 | sifi | zorzella, good luck! I talk to you later if I have any q about emacs =) |
| 18:29.03 | juri_ | so, i'm setting up a self-signed archive using apt-ftparchive. i've got my Release, and Release.gpg, i've got my key imported both into roots keychain and apt-key's keychain. my packages are still warning about being non-authenticated. ideas? ;) |
| 18:29.05 | cr3 | can someone recommend a simple networked game I can play on linux? I think Quake 3 works on Linux, but I'm looking for something a bit simpler. |
| 18:29.10 | scanwinder | stew: found usb 10 00:(i forget after that, its not on the comp im using irc on) |
| 18:29.15 | dli | how to make nfs exports work with "nohide"? |
| 18:29.21 | Haukkari | !python-smbpasswd |
| 18:29.21 | dpkg | methinks python-smbpasswd is like, available in unstable... See also http://barryp.org/software/py-smbpasswd/ |
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| 18:29.28 | Haukkari | \o/ |
| 18:29.29 | Haukkari | yay |
| 18:29.30 | juri_ | cr3: quake. ;) |
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| 18:30.00 | scanwinder | stew: so it does have HID support? how do i load the module then? i tried modprobe usbhid |
| 18:30.01 | cheal | cr3: freeciv? |
| 18:30.14 | sancho___ | scanwinder: check dmesg output and see if says something about attaching a mouse. Does anyone know if he will need coldplug support? |
| 18:30.15 | bizkit | cr3: apt-cache search network multiplayer game |
| 18:30.18 | charwood | cr3: wesnoth |
| 18:30.27 | stew | scanwinder: did you get an error when you run modprobe usbhid? if not then you have successfully added usbhid |
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| 18:30.38 | stew | scanwinder: if you are playing with newer devices, you may want to try a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:30.41 | stew | bbiab |
| 18:30.44 | scanwinder | stew: yes it said it couldnt find it |
| 18:30.53 | scanwinder | stew: yes i mite try updating the kernel |
| 18:30.56 | Hackel | Has anyone used the checkinstall program on sid? It likes to segfault on me. |
| 18:30.59 | scanwinder | stew: ill do that now |
| 18:31.18 | cheal | Hackel: no |
| 18:31.23 | sancho___ | scanwinder: i'd give that a shot, it works for me and YMMV. |
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| 18:34.28 | hume | Kvant: i'm back with package libslp1 that i cannot get rid of |
| 18:34.36 | hume | got any more suggestions on what to do? |
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| 18:36.02 | sifi | how do I extract .rar files? |
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| 18:36.17 | sancho___ | sifi: unrar |
| 18:36.24 | holycow | has anyone here restored an image with partimage to a larger hd? i have a debian server i'd like to upgrade to newere hardware without a reinstall, and at least get the technique to work. i tried backing up the boot sector and partition data, restoring both to new hd, that restored image with partimage .... |
| 18:36.28 | netcrusher88 | unrar is in the nonfree repositores |
| 18:36.31 | Kvant | hume, same prob? |
| 18:36.34 | holycow | the driver refuses to boot :/ |
| 18:36.41 | silvinho | what happens ? |
| 18:36.44 | sancho___ | there's also an unrar-free |
| 18:36.48 | netcrusher88 | oh |
| 18:36.53 | netcrusher88 | didn't know that |
| 18:37.01 | sancho___ | apt-cache search ;) |
| 18:37.11 | silvinho | holycow: how did you backup the bootsector ? |
| 18:37.12 | netcrusher88 | of course |
| 18:37.57 | netcrusher88 | are there any unofficial repositories with kernel images? the official repositories have no kernels with suspend2 support |
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| 18:40.26 | sancho___ | netcrusher88: have you searched http://www.apt-get.org/ ? |
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| 18:41.15 | holycow | silvinho, sec, let me get the command i used |
| 18:41.49 | silvinho | dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 18:42.06 | holycow | that was it right |
| 18:42.09 | sancho___ | netcrusher88: or you could always go plain vanilla kernel to get what you need. |
| 18:42.39 | hume | anyone got advice on what to do when apt-get remove libslp1 gives error msg: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
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| 18:43.16 | sancho___ | hume: you got any other apt-* utils running that might have it locked? |
| 18:43.16 | Estes2 | Hey everyone :) anyone knows which utility i could use to issue a surface disk test ? |
| 18:43.20 | netcrusher88 | sancho___: how's that, with the vanilla kernel? it doesn' support suspend |
| 18:43.39 | hume | sancho___: seems that the install-script itself does something that locks it... |
| 18:43.41 | netcrusher88 | !badblocks |
| 18:43.44 | netcrusher88 | !fsck |
| 18:43.45 | dpkg | hmm... fsck is a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 18:43.54 | Estes2 | thank netcrusher88 |
| 18:44.00 | Estes2 | badblocks |
| 18:44.12 | netcrusher88 | Estes2: it's fsck, there's an option to run badblocks more safely, or something |
| 18:44.15 | sancho___ | netcrusher88: yeah, ok. should have been "vanilla+patches" |
| 18:44.19 | netcrusher88 | ah |
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| 18:44.33 | hume | sancho___: got nothing else running related to apt, and even kill the process that locks, still same thing when running apt again |
| 18:44.35 | holycow | silvinho, so what i'm trying to ascertain is whether or not the basic steps of restoring to larger hard drive are correct. one should be able to simply restore boot sector and partition table to a larger drive, restore the drive image to partition and done right? |
| 18:44.44 | scanwinder | stew: i updated my kernel and, now it cant find the command "modprobe" why not? |
| 18:44.46 | dli | Estes, if you suspect badblocks, the first thing to try is backing up |
| 18:45.00 | sancho___ | scanwinder: is it in your PATH? |
| 18:45.03 | netcrusher88 | as in, compile, or is that an image in the sid repository? |
| 18:45.13 | scanwinder | sancho___: what? |
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| 18:45.32 | sancho___ | scanwinder: is the modprobe binary in your $PATH? |
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| 18:45.57 | sancho___ | or do you have /sbin/modprobe, IOW? |
| 18:46.11 | scanwinder | sancho___: how do i find out? |
| 18:46.23 | scanwinder | sancho___: usually i type in modprobe and it just runs it |
| 18:46.24 | hume | sancho___: got any idea on what to do, my next step feels like a complete reinstalll......this is strange |
| 18:46.33 | sancho___ | scanwinder: ls -l /sbin/modprobe to see if it exists |
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| 18:47.10 | sancho___ | hume: do any apt-get / apt-cache commands work? |
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| 18:47.28 | scanwinder | sancho___: its in /sbin/modprobe |
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| 18:47.53 | scanwinder | sancho___: apt-get and apt-cache work |
| 18:48.02 | hume | sancho___: apt-get update is no problems, but when trying to install or remove anything, this libslp1 returns and it exits with an error |
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| 18:48.15 | kreg | anyone ever used a CF card with an IDE adapter as a hard small bootable system hard drive? |
| 18:48.17 | maxb | Is there an officially recommended way to change the system default umask, or do you have to just poke around in /etc and hope you find everything you need to change? There seem to be multiple places where the umask is set. |
| 18:48.25 | sancho___ | hume: not sure, there's bound to be a simple fix. ;) |
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| 18:48.39 | netcrusher88 | sancho___: there a precompiled kernel with suspend support? |
| 18:49.05 | sancho___ | maxb: you can set your own umask. shell initialization files will have sections in them generally. |
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| 18:49.20 | sancho___ | netcrusher88: not that i'm aware of. |
| 18:49.34 | silvinho | kreg: yeah it's a pain |
| 18:49.42 | netcrusher88 | sancho___: thanks |
| 18:49.48 | sancho___ | scanwinder: so if you call the command with the full path (e.g. '/sbin/modprobe modname') does it work? |
| 18:49.48 | maxb | sancho___: I mean the system global default. For everyone, on a system where users use a variety of different shells. |
| 18:49.51 | kreg | silvinho, what was it like? |
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| 18:50.02 | hume | sancho___: is there a way to force dpkg to remove it, and ignor this lock? |
| 18:50.50 | sancho___ | maxb: not aware of such a thing; umask is a shell builtin so its unlikely there's a global setting for every shell. |
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| 18:51.03 | sancho___ | hume: don't know. probably though. |
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| 18:51.38 | maxb | sancho___: umask is a kernel property of a process, that just happens to be often controlled by a shell builtin |
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| 18:52.01 | maxb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.03 | kreg | silvinho, are CF cards read/writable just like hard drives? |
| 18:52.18 | hume | sancho___: can I boot of a live CD for instance, and from there run a dpkg that will remove it? would that be a way? |
| 18:52.20 | ju4n7ux | someone know a library for connect in C with postgresql?? |
| 18:52.33 | sancho___ | maxb: umask simply says what permissions to give newly created files and directories, nothing to do with the kernel. you thinking of ulimit? |
| 18:52.53 | sancho___ | hume: you're asking the wrong guy at this point. ;) |
| 18:53.01 | Roey | hey is there any debian installer that lets me make / on lvm? |
| 18:53.52 | sancho___ | ju4n7ux: doesn't postgres install needed libraries for that purpose? |
| 18:53.52 | charwood | ju4n7ux: Postgres has an official library that they support. I've only used it with MFC **shudder** |
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| 18:54.29 | ju4n7ux | you right sancho_ sorry, thanks so much.. |
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| 18:56.48 | maxb | sancho___: You are right that is what umask does, but it does have something to do with the kernel, since it is an attribute of a process, and affects the results of the open() syscall. |
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| 18:57.32 | maxb | Unfortunately, it appears that there isn't a good single place in /etc to configure the default umask |
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| 18:58.11 | scanwinder | sancho___: sorry, i had to go..........i think ive stuffed up my installation big time..........ill have another look at it 2morrow...........its 3am here lol |
| 18:58.37 | scanwinder | sancho___: thanks for ur help and stew, thanks for ur help aswell |
| 18:58.50 | sancho___ | maxb: and which process is it an attribute of? all it says is which perms to give newly created files and directories, no? And since it is a shell builtin that configures it, you have to have a shell initialization file to tell the shell what setting to use, and different shells use different config files, so i'm not aware of a central location. |
| 18:59.04 | jgould | Why if I compiled my kernel to use 1024x768 does it not? |
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| 19:00.07 | sifi | how can I print out the number of lines that all files in /path/ have together |
| 19:00.14 | maxb | sancho___: It is a property of every process. Child processes inherit their parent's value. I was hoping for an /etc file that any process creating a new login session would pay attention to, but it looks like there isn't one |
| 19:00.14 | sancho___ | maxb: i could be wrong, but i thinking you're heading the wrong direction. |
| 19:00.33 | silvinho | sifi: what ? |
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| 19:03.08 | sifi | how do I cat out all the files + subdirs |
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| 19:03.32 | sancho___ | sifi: find . -type f |xargs cat |
| 19:03.39 | silvinho | for A in `find /dir/`; do cat $A; done |
| 19:03.58 | CasaNova_ | any bash experts? I have a large # of files all need to be file-S01.rar but some for some reason are file-s01.rar How do I make all the S's upper case without changing anything else in the name - I know it has something to do with for each i in .... but not sure what comes next:-) |
| 19:04.04 | Ungy | ewe more then one way to skin a cat |
| 19:04.31 | sifi | sancho___, thx |
| 19:04.40 | bentley | hi all. just a quick question, i am in debian atm and my tv card has just died. i open tvtime, my viewer, and it says cannot open capture device /dev/video0 - how do i check if the hardware is still working? |
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| 19:05.03 | bentley | oops.. wrong nick |
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| 19:05.21 | Ungy | bently put a porn movie in your vcr or dvdplayer and foget about it is the best policy |
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| 19:05.44 | jgould | LOL |
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| 19:06.08 | sancho___ | for i in `ls *.rar`; do mv $i `echo $i |sed -e 's/s\d\d/S\d\d/g'`; done *might* work, but test elsewhere first. ;) |
| 19:06.23 | drivamgr2006 | lol,, not quite what i had in mind, since i want to watch tv.... :) |
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| 19:06.39 | Ungy | drivamgr2006, why watch tv when ther eis porn? |
| 19:06.49 | Ungy | drivamgr2006, unless what is on tv is pron? |
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| 19:07.07 | sancho___ | Ungy: you make an undisputable point. |
| 19:07.12 | drivamgr2006 | cause i dont own any! and we have 20 channels of porn we can watch on satellite anyhow... |
| 19:07.17 | CasaNova_ | sancho___, Kinda what I had in mind - I knew I had to pipe output through seed but wasnt sure of syntax - I'll give it a whirl |
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| 19:07.33 | EdLin | drivamgr2006: have you checked the permissions and existence of /dev/video0 ? |
| 19:07.48 | Ungy | drivamgr2006, plug that shit into the satelite and start broadcasting man hook a brother up |
| 19:08.17 | drivamgr2006 | the permissions are fine, since the card was working about 5 minutes ago, and dev/video0 does exist |
| 19:08.28 | blondie | drivamgr2006: error |
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| 19:08.38 | blondie | drivamgr2006: check the permissions again |
| 19:08.39 | Ungy | drivamgr2006, did yu check syslog for an error |
| 19:08.43 | drivamgr2006 | Ungy, would love to. will see if i can hookup a relay tonight and bung it out over the net |
| 19:08.50 | CasaNova_ | sancho___, What are the d\d\ for in the sed ? |
| 19:08.59 | Ungy | mmm free porn |
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| 19:09.07 | drivamgr2006 | not yet, better go look at syslog for probs |
| 19:09.09 | sancho___ | CaseNova: regular expression notation for digit is \d |
| 19:09.12 | Ungy | blondie, really freaky |
| 19:09.16 | drivamgr2006 | bbiab - dinner is burning! |
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| 19:09.40 | CasaNova_ | sancho___, Great thanks (need to read that Sed/Awk book I have :-) |
| 19:09.48 | blondie | I used "webcam" to get stuff from /dev/video0; it would work fine for several days and then get a permissions error and they had changed :| |
| 19:09.56 | blondie | don't know what changed them |
| 19:10.11 | EdLin | blondie: do you use udev? |
| 19:10.24 | blondie | nope |
| 19:10.31 | drivamgr2006 | ok back - sorry about that - will check the syslog now |
| 19:10.44 | EdLin | drivamgr2006: do you use udev? |
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| 19:11.20 | drivamgr2006 | yes |
| 19:11.28 | EdLin | drivamgr2006: that could have changed it |
| 19:11.31 | EdLin | !udev |
| 19:11.31 | dpkg | udev is probably at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 19:12.03 | drivamgr2006 | bingo |
| 19:12.18 | CasaNova_ | sancho___, Thanks that did the trick and it was easier since every s or S was followed by a 2 I only needed 's/s2/S2/g' |
| 19:12.24 | drivamgr2006 | Dec 23 18:58:09 localhost udev[10185]: removing device node '/dev/video0' |
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| 19:12.38 | sancho___ | CasaNova_: cool, sometimes I shock myself even. :) |
| 19:12.50 | CasaNova_ | How does one know if the script needs `` or ''? |
| 19:12.56 | sancho___ | drivamgr2006: that's friggin hilarious. |
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| 19:13.19 | sancho___ | CasaNova_: ` is a backtick and sets of command substitution. |
| 19:13.28 | EdLin | drivamgr2006: there is a way to get udev to include a device, but I forgot what it is - maybe it's in the udev FAQ pointed to by dpkg |
| 19:13.40 | sancho___ | CasaNova_: ' is a single quote and is useful for making sure no shell interpolation occurs. |
| 19:13.48 | EdLin | drivamgr2006: of course, if you can get rid of udev, do it. :-) |
| 19:14.06 | sancho___ | CasaNova_: test the differce by running: echo 'date' and then: echo `date` |
| 19:14.27 | dvs | EdLin: Did you manually make the /dev/video device? |
| 19:14.43 | sancho___ | EdLin: although without people actually using it it will take that much longer for it to be stable and usable... |
| 19:14.56 | EdLin | dvs: I never had udev remove my /dev/video0, but then again I'm not running udev atm |
| 19:15.00 | drivamgr2006 | no dvs, it was added when the system started. Its BT878 TV Capture card |
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| 19:15.13 | EdLin | sancho___: I don't see any reason for someone with more than one braincell to *need* udev. |
| 19:15.19 | dvs | drivamgr2006: Oh, just like mine. |
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| 19:15.35 | sancho___ | EdLin: other than devfs is being obsoleted in favor of it in 2.6? |
| 19:15.39 | CasaNova_ | sancho___, Where I'm confused is why the '' around the sed cmd didn't just make the \ and / literal /\ Oh if sed was expecting the \/ it would have worked with them as expected in sed you can use any sepertaor right (eg s$s$S$g ?) |
| 19:15.49 | EdLin | sancho___: devfs sucks too, both of them suck. |
| 19:15.57 | sancho___ | CasaNova_: bingo |
| 19:15.57 | blondie | sucking can be good |
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| 19:16.09 | sancho___ | EdLin: what's your alternative ATM? |
| 19:16.24 | caphuso | EdLin: persistant device naming, i.e. making sure that the same usb stick gets always the same device file assigned to it |
| 19:16.28 | EdLin | sancho___: no automagic /dev handler whatsoever. Believe it or not it can be done. |
| 19:16.36 | drivamgr2006 | Let me put it this way Edlin... my fiddling round with debian meant it took me 2 days from install just to get a gui up. If its installed, its installed! I aint mucking round with it again and risking borking things up! |
| 19:16.36 | sancho___ | <EdLin> sancho___: no automagic /dev handler whatsoever. Believe it or not it can be done. |
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| 19:16.48 | sancho___ | EdLin: scalable too, right? |
| 19:17.05 | EdLin | sancho___: what scalability has to do with this I have no idea. |
| 19:17.07 | caphuso | sancho___: no. static /dev doesn't scale up |
| 19:17.31 | caphuso | EdLin: the problem is that it can't be done |
| 19:17.36 | levander | I've got a package I'm trying to figure out how it got installed on my system. I assume it was "required" by another package. I'm trying to figure out what package that I installed required the package I'm investigating. Someone can give me a hint how to do this? |
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| 19:18.04 | EdLin | caphuso: well, since I don't have automounting periptherals, I don't have any use for putting up with udev. |
| 19:18.23 | sancho___ | I add a new device to my machine. then I look up major and minor device numbers, create appropriate symlinks to get the devices to work with apps, set permissions correctly, and repeat for any device I attach? |
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| 19:18.29 | cheal | but udev doesn't provide persistent device naming |
| 19:18.44 | EdLin | caphuso: actually, during install I do have to run MAKEDEV to have my PCI modem recognized, but other than that I don't do much /dev manipulating. |
| 19:18.58 | caphuso | EdLin: i have no need for a wheel chair. yet i don't go around claiming that they suck |
| 19:19.28 | sancho___ | it can be done, but its not the smart thing to do for just about every system out there. YMMV |
| 19:19.28 | EdLin | caphuso: if udev did a good job at what it is supposed to do it wouldn't suck I suppose. |
| 19:19.30 | CasaNova_ | Hmm Im back in a state where I lose my alsa config after every reboot. I'm running alsaconf -then alsamixer - what Am I missing? |
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| 19:19.47 | CasaNova_ | to survive a reboot? |
| 19:19.54 | dvs | CasaNova_: Put the ALSA modules in /etc/modules |
| 19:20.02 | caphuso | EdLin: where does it fail? |
| 19:20.03 | sancho___ | EdLin: you've submitted patches to the udev maintainers to make it not suck, right? |
| 19:20.16 | caphuso | sancho___: hah |
| 19:20.50 | CasaNova_ | snd_emu10k1 |
| 19:20.50 | CasaNova_ | snd_pcm_oss |
| 19:20.50 | CasaNova_ | <-- this is what is in /etc/modules - |
| 19:21.04 | EdLin | caphuso: we just saw it removing a device for no reason a couple of minutes ago. |
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| 19:21.35 | dvs | CasaNova_: And you have alsa-utils installed? |
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| 19:21.40 | caphuso | EdLin: and that leads to "udev sucks" exactly how? |
| 19:21.40 | abrotman | sancho___: you mean he takes patches ? |
| 19:22.02 | EdLin | caphuso: sigh. at least dpkg agrees with me. |
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| 19:22.26 | CasaNova_ | umm alsa-utils - notsure I have alsaconf alsactl alsamixer alsamixergui |
| 19:22.27 | caphuso | EdLin: poor sob |
| 19:22.41 | sancho___ | EdLin: and if it wasn't that, you'd have a million other cases of people coming in and asking why their Linux didn't work right after installing a new device. "I plugged it in and now I turn on my PC and it doesn't work. You mean I need to configure a device node?" |
| 19:22.45 | cheal | !udev |
| 19:22.45 | dpkg | somebody said udev was at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 19:22.48 | TTT | hi, is there a tool to rotate JPG file 90 degrees with minimum loss of quality (doing this without recompression would be fine, though i don't know if it is possible) |
| 19:22.51 | caphuso | "some random irc bot says something, it must be true" |
| 19:22.54 | levander | Does apt-get maintain a log of what packages I've isntalled? |
| 19:23.02 | zinx | TTT: probably |
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| 19:23.10 | sancho___ | TTT: I use ImageMagick utils. |
| 19:23.11 | EdLin | caphuso: I'm not a poor sob, I avoid udev. ;-) |
| 19:23.12 | abrotman | caphuso: this is the internet :) |
| 19:23.14 | levander | I need the packages I've installed and the chronological order of installation of them. |
| 19:23.18 | TTT | ok, i'll try imagemagick |
| 19:23.18 | caphuso | EdLin: well, gonna talk to you when you've grown some brain |
| 19:23.24 | abrotman | levander: sarge or etch or sid ? |
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| 19:23.45 | broadcaster | hi! i'm looking for a program which compares two directory trees and tells me which files are identical, different, new... (like the §!*'?&-windows-suitcase). any hints? |
| 19:23.45 | salomon_ | hi |
| 19:23.46 | dvs | pffffffft |
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| 19:23.52 | zinx | TTT: a search for "lossless jpeg rotate" reveals exiftran. why the heck didn't you try searching for that? |
| 19:23.57 | levander | abrotman: sarge |
| 19:23.57 | zinx | TTT: you'd better have a good reason :/ |
| 19:23.58 | salomon_ | how can i reload my network configuaration ? |
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| 19:23.59 | CasaNova_ | after running alsamixer is there another step to 'storing' the settings so that it survives a reboot? |
| 19:24.00 | abrotman | levander: if it's etch/sid .. check /var/log/dpkg.log .. sarge has no such log |
| 19:24.12 | sancho___ | EdLin: no biggie, you're entitled to doing things the way you do, but because an app doesn't work perfectly doesn't mean it's terrible. I for one have had no issues with udev. |
| 19:24.13 | levander | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:24.14 | EdLin | sancho___: I think having /dev easily manipulatable trumps a buggy program manipulating it for you. Then again, I thought this was Unix, not Windows where everything is done for you - often wrongly. |
| 19:24.18 | salomon_ | how can i reload my network configuaration ? |
| 19:24.22 | dvs | CasaNova_: alsactl store |
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| 19:24.42 | caphuso | sancho___: give up. he's interested in actually learning the errors in his believes |
| 19:24.44 | cheal | dpkg: no, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable |
| 19:24.44 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 19:24.44 | TTT | zinx: i falsely assumed apt-cache search with such keywords would return 0 results :-\ I'm quite surprised to see that wasn't true |
| 19:24.49 | caphuso | s/'s/'s not/ |
| 19:24.58 | salomon_ | mh |
| 19:25.01 | salomon_ | how can i reload my network configuaration ? |
| 19:25.05 | salomon_ | xD |
| 19:25.23 | TTT | salomon_: /etc/init.d/networking reload maybe? |
| 19:25.28 | salomon_ | mh |
| 19:25.30 | salomon_ | maybe |
| 19:25.31 | dor-22f | i'm having problems installing debian sid on a SATA drive. freezes up in the scsi discovery section. can anyone please give me a hand? |
| 19:25.39 | TTT | salomon_: or ifdown device; ifup device |
| 19:25.47 | EdLin | caphuso: if udev was less buggy I'd have less problems with it. |
| 19:26.00 | EdLin | caphuso: it's nice that you haven't had problems with it, I have. |
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| 19:26.14 | cheal | sorry stew, I still like your quote :) |
| 19:26.31 | dvs | EdLin: me neither |
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| 19:26.45 | dor-22f | anyone? |
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| 19:27.00 | sancho___ | EdLin: if I had the luxury of calling every app that had bugs in it crap and not using it, I'd be using an abucus instead of a computer. |
| 19:27.07 | TTT | dor-22f: sorry, still using IDE drives |
| 19:27.18 | TML | What's the "right way" to add external .el files to my debian box so that it works well with dpkg/apt? |
| 19:27.36 | EdLin | sancho___: there's a difference between an ordinary bug, and something that breaks functionality significantly. |
| 19:27.43 | phogg | sancho___: I can think of a few bugs in an abucus... |
| 19:27.44 | dor-22f | scsi0: ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: Read (10) 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00 \n Current sd08:00: sense key Medium Error \n Additional sense indicates Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed \n I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 |
| 19:27.48 | caphuso | TML: .el files as in emacs libraries? |
| 19:27.53 | TML | caphuso: Yes |
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| 19:27.57 | EdLin | sancho___: loosing /dev/video0 for him (or for me if it happened) is in that class. |
| 19:28.11 | phogg | !loose |
| 19:28.11 | dpkg | from memory, loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
| 19:28.11 | TML | caphuso: I wasn't sure if dropping them right into /usr/share/emacs/site-packages was the right thing to do or not |
| 19:28.28 | caphuso | TML: /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp |
| 19:28.32 | TML | caphuso: Thanks |
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| 19:28.41 | caphuso | or use a directory in your ~ and add that to load-path |
| 19:29.36 | krisna | kll |
| 19:30.25 | Serge_K | I have a problem with NX RDP fullscreen session. Anyone has a workaround? |
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| 19:31.43 | cheal | Serge_K: what's NX? |
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| 19:32.02 | lamp_ | hi i have bad blocks on my hd how can i say that linux should not use those blocks |
| 19:32.26 | maxb | Does anyone know exactly what sshd_config PasswordAuthentication option controls? |
| 19:32.29 | Serge_K | cheal: NX = NoMachine... a thin client |
| 19:32.32 | asuffield | lamp_: if you have visible bad blocks then your drive is dead and will grow new bad blocks very quickly. throw it away. |
| 19:32.42 | cheal | Serge_K: are you sure that's in Debian? |
| 19:33.10 | dvs | lamp_: Recover your data while you still can |
| 19:33.34 | Serge_K | cheal: itns not in Deb right now.. its in Ubuntu and Kanotix,.. Deb based |
| 19:33.34 | lamp_ | asuffield: the bad bad blocks are not growing in windows so i think also not in linux |
| 19:33.35 | TTT | lamp_: e2fsck -c worked (for a while) for me when i had some half-broken hdds |
| 19:33.52 | lamp_ | TTT: what should i do for reiserfs |
| 19:33.52 | cheal | Serge_K: I guess you're asking the wrong channel then |
| 19:33.54 | TTT | lamp_: they will grow sooner or later and your drive will die, replace it |
| 19:33.57 | cheal | !tell Serge_K about nx |
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| 19:34.18 | asuffield | lamp_: that is not how it works |
| 19:34.40 | Serge_K | cheal: you're wrong absolutely |
| 19:34.44 | asuffield | sooner rather than later. by the time you have visible bad blocks, the problem is in an advanced stage - your drive has already lost thousands |
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| 19:34.52 | cheal | Serge_K: why? |
| 19:35.10 | TTT | lamp_: from TFM about reiserfsck |
| 19:35.24 | TTT | lamp_: --badblocks file, -B file |
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| 19:35.37 | asuffield | badblocks is more or less obsolete |
| 19:36.01 | asuffield | it was useful ten years ago, not really these days |
| 19:36.04 | Serge_K | cheal: coz I just aska question, and instead of answereing, you tell a bot to send me a one more stupid message |
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| 19:36.49 | duckdown | Hrmmm, I installed the Enlightenment packages through Synaptic, but it looks like total crap. There isn't even a MENU.. Anybody have any ideas why? |
| 19:36.58 | duckdown | Its like worse than fvwm |
| 19:37.03 | Serge_K | sheadont you think I dont know what NX is? |
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| 19:37.16 | TTT | Serge_K: hm, i've no experience with NX, but i'm somewhat intereseted in thin clients. Is NX any good? is it possible to run openoffice over NX? |
| 19:37.44 | TTT | i mean, is it usable over NX? it is barely usable over X |
| 19:37.46 | MrRio | TTT: NX is very good yeah, ive see openoffice run over it |
| 19:37.57 | MrRio | TTT: and its usable, ask them for a demo |
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| 19:38.00 | EdLin | duckdown: fvwm is pretty configurable, don't judge it if you don't like it's default. |
| 19:38.01 | cheal | Serge_K: I didn't answer your question, I told you that your question is offtopic. I also told you through that factoid where you could get support. I don't see why I would be "absolutely wrong" |
| 19:38.04 | MrRio | dvs, yeah, it is too |
| 19:38.36 | Serge_K | cheal: its just exellent. I can run Openoffice via 33kbps modem from home even. not that fast yes. but I can |
| 19:38.44 | asuffield | Serge_K: you're in completely the wrong channel, so what were you expecting? |
| 19:39.16 | DeCaoS | help me :$ what command can i use to recovery only one file from tape backup ? |
| 19:39.29 | cheal | Serge_K: I don't care. Free beer may be excellent too, but this is not the place to discuss it. |
| 19:39.33 | Serge_K | nx*.deb is not deb? ha? |
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| 19:39.44 | blondie | is Serge_K having an ID-ten-T error? |
| 19:39.53 | cheal | Serge_K: .deb != Debian |
| 19:39.55 | asuffield | Serge_K: this is #debian, not #deb |
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| 19:40.09 | asuffield | now go bother #ubuntu |
| 19:40.10 | Serge_K | whatever |
| 19:40.31 | Serge_K | freenx guys make deb packages too |
| 19:40.40 | TTT | darn, stop flaming everyone |
| 19:40.42 | EdLin | Serge_K: the /topic says this isn't #ubuntu. I think that should be enough. |
| 19:40.44 | g3brown | I have vsftpd running in standalone mode. How to you restart it so it will reload the vsftpd.conf file? |
| 19:40.52 | cheal | Serge_K: then go ask them |
| 19:40.57 | DeCaoS | help me :$ what command can i use to recovery only one file from tape backup ? |
| 19:41.06 | TTT | anyway, first thing is trying to find out if this problem is debian specific or freenx specific. |
| 19:41.06 | caphuso | DeCaoS: tar |
| 19:41.09 | EdLin | TTT: he isn't even running Debian, he's installed a deb to two other distributions. |
| 19:41.10 | asuffield | DeCaoS: you said that already |
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| 19:41.35 | odla | does anyone ever read /topics when they enter a channel? i swear every day there's at least a dozen folks asking ubuntu questions |
| 19:41.42 | DeCaoS | i use to tar xvf /dev/st0 but it recovery all |
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| 19:41.51 | DeCaoS | i want only one |
| 19:42.13 | TTT | DeCaoS: man tar says you can specify pathname after archive name |
| 19:42.14 | asuffield | DeCaoS: time you read the manpage for tar, then |
| 19:42.19 | Serge_K | haha dont be so purists really guys.. all thse clenes are Debian really. sooner or later, NX will come to Debian too |
| 19:42.25 | kensai | I'm trying to compile my custom kernel but when I do make menuconfig it says no ncurses libraries found |
| 19:42.35 | odla | Serge_K: what's is clenes? |
| 19:42.37 | TTT | DeCaoS: tar xvf /dev/st0 <pathname> i think (never used tapes myself) |
| 19:42.44 | odla | Serge_K: ubuntu is not debian |
| 19:42.50 | Serge_K | sorry typos.. I have a new keyboard |
| 19:42.54 | dvs | kensai: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 19:43.01 | Serge_K | clenes=clones |
| 19:43.03 | kensai | dvs, very much thanks |
| 19:43.11 | kensai | it should be default in the system |
| 19:43.12 | dvs | kensai: problem no |
| 19:43.24 | Serge_K | thse=these |
| 19:43.27 | blondie | Serge_K: go away |
| 19:43.29 | asuffield | Serge_K: you're wrong. bye |
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| 19:43.35 | TTT | kensai: it should not be, system should run without compilers and -dev packages |
| 19:43.35 | odla | ha ha |
| 19:43.38 | dvs | bye serge |
| 19:43.39 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@83.143.67.12!#ubuntu] by asuffield |
| 19:43.46 | *** kick/#debian [Serge_K!n=asuffiel@213.162.123.241] by asuffield (go to #ubuntu) |
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| 19:44.18 | asuffield | (and the muppet now finds himself in #ubuntu) |
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| 19:44.42 | cheal | BTW, IMHO quieting is best for these cases |
| 19:44.58 | odla | asuffield: you can't actually kick him from here into another channel can you? you can only kick him from here? |
| 19:45.11 | kensai | to disable auto modules loading in debian I need to disable discover right? |
| 19:45.12 | cheal | heh |
| 19:45.17 | blondie | odla: correct |
| 19:45.18 | cheal | odla: unfortunately :) |
| 19:45.33 | odla | it would be funny if he could kick into #ubuntu |
| 19:45.39 | dvs | odla: Oh asuffield will find a way. ;-) |
| 19:45.44 | sancho___ | I've got red hat, and it's linux, and debian is linux, and they both have a package system, so can i ask RHEL questions in #debian? :) |
| 19:45.56 | odla | sancho___: yes we support RPMs here |
| 19:45.59 | kensai | bah, so many years and ubuntu people are still bothering in here |
| 19:46.00 | odla | ;) |
| 19:46.03 | asuffield | odla: I more or less can |
| 19:46.07 | et__ | security.debian.org sarge release key gone since last week - has it moved, like testing? |
| 19:46.15 | asuffield | odla: he's an irritating idiot, so his client will be set to auto-rejoin on kick |
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| 19:46.24 | asuffield | odla: at which point it hits the redirecting ban |
| 19:46.26 | asuffield | odla: so he lands in #ubuntu |
| 19:46.31 | odla | ha ha |
| 19:46.35 | blondie | asuffield: sorry but it didn't work :P |
| 19:46.46 | asuffield | oh well, too much of the idiot and not enough irritating |
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| 19:47.09 | sancho___ | blondie: that's cuz he's crying himself to sleep on his huge ubuntu pillow right now. |
| 19:47.16 | blondie | awww |
| 19:47.24 | kensai | any news about gnome 2.12 hitting sid? |
| 19:47.32 | asuffield | anyway, it only works with +b, not +q (for obvious reasons) |
| 19:47.49 | MrRio | odla: whats so bad about #ubuntu? |
| 19:47.49 | odla | kensai: irc.gnome.org #gnome-debian |
| 19:47.57 | cheal | !tell kensai about gnome 2.12 |
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| 19:48.33 | odla | MrRio: nothing they're very helpful at answering ubuntu questions |
| 19:48.37 | kensai | well I mean is like so many years without using debian has made me a debian n00b again |
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| 19:49.03 | kensai | If only there was a good distro like debian so I had to come back |
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| 19:49.49 | cheal | asuffield: OK, but IMO we've seen much worst allegations of #debian "puritanism" than that one |
| 19:49.51 | odla | kensai: have you tried debian? |
| 19:49.54 | odla | he he |
| 19:50.10 | kensai | Oddi, bahhhh since even before ubuntu ever existed |
| 19:50.25 | kensai | Oddi, soory it was odla |
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| 19:50.36 | lunitik | kensai: thats not saying much really... its only been around like a year or so? |
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| 19:51.04 | odla | kensai: what do you need gnome 2.12 for that 2.10 or 2.8 can't deliver? |
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| 19:51.25 | kensai | lunitik, I know I just used ubuntu as an starting point since I've used it for longer than my memory remembers |
| 19:51.32 | lunitik | odla: nicer graphics, for one. |
| 19:51.45 | caphuso | especially because gnome is the one piece of software that teds to have less features with newer versions |
| 19:51.55 | kensai | odla, I was curious 2.12 isn't such and advancement though |
| 19:52.11 | kensai | gnome is not doing so great lately with the sucky releases |
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| 19:52.23 | kensai | the last release I loved from gnome was 2.8 |
| 19:52.43 | asuffield | cheal: don't really see how that's relevant. when a user is too stubbornly stupid to understand that they aren't using debian, all you can do is send them someplace vaguely more appropriate |
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| 19:53.21 | dvs | asuffield: vaguely? it seems like THE place. |
| 19:53.43 | Atomsk | does anybody own a T43/p here and upgraded the HD with an unsupported firmware version? |
| 19:53.48 | lunitik | asuffield: Ubuntu really isn't as different as you seem to think... hell, Debian has gotten MANY patches from them too, so they are becomming more and more alike all the time. |
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| 19:54.00 | abrotman | lunitik: it is NOT debian |
| 19:54.21 | lunitik | asuffield: Ubuntu is maintained by DD's for the most part... DD's that are getting paid... some of the best DD's actually (seb128 for instance) |
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| 19:54.25 | asuffield | dvs: I suspect that he should be talking to nomachine, but they don't appear to have a channel here |
| 19:54.33 | asuffield | lunitik: you're kidding, right? |
| 19:54.34 | frankie | Atomsk: upgrade your firmware by ibm, the current one does not have that problem |
| 19:54.42 | lunitik | asuffield: about what? |
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| 19:55.00 | abrotman | lunitik: how many DDs work with ubuntu ? |
| 19:55.08 | asuffield | it sounded like sarcasm to me |
| 19:55.13 | asuffield | at least I hope it was |
| 19:55.15 | abrotman | no .. he's serious |
| 19:55.18 | asuffield | oh dear |
| 19:55.18 | lunitik | asuffield: seb128 patches a lot of things... mostly related to gnome, but he's very active |
| 19:55.26 | Yamato | c'è qualcuno disposto ad aiutarmi per una configurazione (già completata) di rete? |
| 19:55.27 | asuffield | lunitik: you really have no idea who you're talking to, do you? |
| 19:55.27 | lunitik | abrotman: about 30-40 currently I think |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | lunitik: are you stupid? |
| 19:55.35 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 19:55.38 | blondie | !it |
| 19:55.38 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:55.42 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1469 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8872 MB compressed size. |
| 19:55.43 | lunitik | asuffield: apparently more than you right now :/ |
| 19:55.48 | cheal | asuffield: yeah, but I think it's normal that people initally expect #debian to be able to help them. I don't like arguing against that impression either, but if we want to stop it, I think quieting is fine for that limited level of stubbornness |
| 19:55.50 | Atomsk | frankie: I'm just wondering if I'll run into problems if I buy a 100gb 7200 rpm drive... |
| 19:55.53 | dvs | 28GB!?! |
| 19:56.02 | cheal | asuffield: anyway, it's done and doesn't matter much |
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| 19:56.10 | abrotman | lunitik: for sarge there was 1469 maintainers .. and you think *most* of the DDs work on ubuntu ? |
| 19:56.16 | asuffield | I prefer to flip them into another channel rather than just silence them here |
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| 19:56.27 | lunitik | abrotman: I didn't say that... I said they pay a lot of DD's :/ |
| 19:56.37 | asuffield | more like a handful |
| 19:56.39 | cheal | asuffield: because of the kick message? heh :S |
| 19:56.41 | lunitik | abrotman: try your hardest not to fabricate what I'm saying, thanks |
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| 19:56.50 | asuffield | cheal: no, because of the redirecting ban |
| 19:56.50 | frankie | Atomsk: afaik on a not upgraded box you will have just a warning at boot |
| 19:56.55 | abrotman | lunitik: Ubuntu is in no way, shape, or form Debian |
| 19:57.03 | lunitik | abrotman: wrong |
| 19:57.05 | asuffield | cheal: if he tries to join #debian, he finds himself in #ubuntu instead |
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| 19:57.26 | lunitik | abrotman: they hire the principle maintainers of dpkg and apt-get for instance :/ |
| 19:57.29 | cheal | asuffield: ah. thanks for educating me. freenode feature? |
| 19:57.35 | sancho___ | lunitik: point is this. i have an OS derived from another OS. is it smarter for me to a.) go to the support channel of the exact OS I have or b.) go to the OS I was derived from? |
| 19:57.40 | odla | lunitik: stop doing :/ please |
| 19:57.43 | lunitik | abrotman: hell, the guy that WROTE apt-get |
| 19:57.50 | Atomsk | frankie: yes thats what I've read too but I'd like to hear about people who really did upgrade the HD and are not using a supported version. I dont care if they warn me as long as it works :) |
| 19:57.51 | asuffield | cheal: approximately |
| 19:58.17 | frankie | Atomsk: i cannot help you on that regards, my unit is just new |
| 19:58.18 | cheal | asuffield: OK |
| 19:58.19 | asuffield | I don't think Culus works for ubuntu |
| 19:58.22 | lunitik | sancho___: you've obviously not visited #ubuntu lately ;) |
| 19:58.24 | asuffield | nobody's seen him in years |
| 19:58.28 | odla | who cares about ubuntu? |
| 19:58.30 | asuffield | and they didn't hire the dpkg maintainer |
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| 19:58.43 | asuffield | they hired some random people and had one of them hijack dpkg |
| 19:58.49 | lunitik | asuffield: Matt Zimmerman wrote apt-get.... |
| 19:58.54 | asuffield | lunitik: you are *so* wrong |
| 19:59.04 | lunitik | asuffield: oh? |
| 19:59.08 | abrotman | lunitik: they did what ? |
| 19:59.13 | sancho___ | lunitik: one has to ask then, if they are so precisely identical, why fork another distro in the first place? If there's no dramatic difference, why create a clone? |
| 19:59.14 | asuffield | apt was written by Culus |
| 19:59.15 | asuffield | years ago |
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| 19:59.25 | abrotman | lunitik: i think you have absolutely ZERO idea what you're talking about |
| 19:59.39 | eric_ | I'm new to linux and was wondering if I'm able to stream internet radio and if so how |
| 19:59.40 | lunitik | sancho___: Ubuntu is basically a supported sid... |
| 19:59.51 | asuffield | it is not |
| 19:59.58 | sancho___ | lunitik = moron. |
| 20:00.01 | odla | lunitik: are you running ubuntu? this is offtopic |
| 20:00.01 | blondie | lunitik is a lunatic |
| 20:00.02 | blondie | ;) |
| 20:00.09 | kyncani | s/= moron/= troll/ |
| 20:00.14 | AciD | abrotman > you should update http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool accordingly then : |
| 20:00.16 | asuffield | geez, if you're going to talk shit about ubuntu you could at least do it to people other than a bunch of DDs |
| 20:00.16 | AciD | :) |
| 20:00.20 | cmdKeen | after dist-upgrade X-Video exentsion stop working. I use fglrx drivers because x.org ati driver don't work for some reason although it should(Radeon 9250). 3d rendering work, but xvinfo says no scrrens found.... I am really desperate now, any ideas ? |
| 20:00.24 | lunitik | odla: no... I just don't understand why repell those users :/ |
| 20:00.26 | eric_ | i'm on ubuntu |
| 20:00.42 | lunitik | odla: 99% of the time... the answer to any given question applies to both :/ |
| 20:00.48 | bryndza | hi, can somebody tell me what is worng with this line in syslog-ng: filter f_vsftpd { match("vsftpd:"); }; ? |
| 20:00.50 | toxickore | eric_: search about icecast at google |
| 20:00.51 | kensai | ohh my GOD UBUNTU SUCKS AND THATS ALL PEOPLE SHOULD CARE ON #debian |
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| 20:01.02 | asuffield | lunitik: actually no. 99% of the time, any user too stupid to find their way to #ubuntu has got an ubuntu-specific problem |
| 20:01.04 | nkuttler | lunitik: that 1% that does not can waste hours on this channel |
| 20:01.07 | MrRio | ... |
| 20:01.20 | eric_ | icecast, ok thanks I'll check it out. |
| 20:01.42 | sancho___ | yes, troll is better. lunitik: either there aren't enough differences between debian and ubuntu to justify having a seperate distro, or there are, and ubuntu users need not inquire on #debian. |
| 20:01.44 | bryndza | eric_ shoutcast for linux |
| 20:01.52 | lunitik | asuffield: are you just arguing cuz you're bored, or what? |
| 20:02.06 | eric_ | shoutcast, got it. thanks |
| 20:02.41 | bryndza | no syslog-ng guru here ? :) :-( |
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| 20:02.48 | abrotman | acid: that wasn't what i meant |
| 20:02.49 | sancho___ | bryndza: what you want? |
| 20:02.58 | odla | dvs: did you find some beer ;) |
| 20:02.59 | kensai | when I make menuconfig it insist on using the oldconfig of the kernel I used how can I stop this? |
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| 20:03.10 | asuffield | lunitik: no, because I'm feeling generous and giving you a chance to be educated |
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| 20:03.12 | bryndza | sancho___ logging messages from vsftpd to a pipe, but i don`t have luck with that :( |
| 20:03.20 | mrvnr_ | log #debian ~/.tirc/debian |
| 20:03.21 | dvs | odla: Nope. I'm all out. And today is such a hectic day I don't want to go out |
| 20:03.21 | lunitik | sancho___: Ubuntu ~= Debian Sid without trying to support 12 architechtures... |
| 20:03.24 | caphuso | asuffield: educating fearl? get of the bad dope |
| 20:03.46 | Spec[gone] | please join #debianversusubuntu to continue bitching.... |
| 20:03.46 | lunitik | caphuso: off* |
| 20:03.54 | abrotman | wasn't fearl banned ? |
| 20:03.59 | brendan_ | when making a debian package that uses deconf is the script that asks the question supposed to be called DEBIAN/config? |
| 20:04.01 | odla | hi i'm new to linux...can i ask a gentoo question here? gentoo is a derivative of debian, right? |
| 20:04.03 | caphuso | abrotman: not since he reappeared as lunitik |
| 20:04.05 | odla | !gentoosmite odla |
| 20:04.09 | brendan_ | and do you have to do anything special to make it run? |
| 20:04.13 | odla | yes faster! |
| 20:04.13 | abrotman | caphuso: would'nt that classify as ban evasion? |
| 20:04.14 | sancho___ | lunitik: so it's almost debian, but not everything debian is, but it's dramatically different enough to justify a fork? |
| 20:04.15 | nkuttler | lunitik: you think ubuntu is like unstable? |
| 20:04.17 | lunitik | abrotman: no... not any more... I was like 2 years ago :/ |
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| 20:04.32 | odla | dvs: well i am going to go have some beers |
| 20:04.36 | nick01 | where should I put a nat scipt so it gets used at startup ? |
| 20:04.41 | lunitik | sancho___: yes, due to release schedule etc... they deemed it so. |
| 20:04.41 | MrRio | hmmm, people in #debian are pretty 'distro-bitchy' |
| 20:04.47 | asuffield | abrotman: disinclined to worry about stuff like that. people who evade bans generally act in a manner that will get them banned again |
| 20:04.51 | abrotman | nick01: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:04.51 | mathias64 | i get a long delay in the middle of ssh authentication between two local computers, but only from computer a to computer b not from computer b to computer a. the delay is right after the step that ssh calls SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent |
| 20:04.53 | caphuso | abrotman: he's not going to stay long, AFAICT |
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| 20:04.56 | mrvnr_ | log msg ~/.tirc/debian |
| 20:05.00 | sancho___ | lunitik: sounds dumb. |
| 20:05.02 | nick01 | k |
| 20:05.02 | asuffield | MrRio: no, just (a) disinterested in anything else, and (b) both unable and unwilling to support anything else |
| 20:05.19 | mrvnr_ | log msg /home/mrvn/.tirc/debian |
| 20:05.24 | asuffield | MrRio: talking about other distros merely gets you ignored. demanding help with them gets you sent someplace else |
| 20:05.27 | lunitik | sancho___: indeed... but you can't really complain when someone worth half a billion dollars wants to pay you to do ;) |
| 20:05.32 | odla | whoops...i've been osting to the wrong channels |
| 20:06.10 | bizkit | !moo |
| 20:06.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 20:06.23 | kensai | !greenhouse |
| 20:06.23 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:06.24 | odla | !madcow |
| 20:06.24 | dpkg | moooooooheh hehehehe! |
| 20:06.29 | odla | he he |
| 20:06.32 | caphuso | stop that bot abuse |
| 20:06.35 | sancho___ | lunitik: were money my driver, no. |
| 20:06.36 | Spec[gone] | so first it was knoppix users, and now it's ubuntu users? :p |
| 20:07.04 | streuner | heh, what kind of dope did you smoked today, that you wanna feed some trolls on a friday evening? |
| 20:07.13 | streuner | :-) |
| 20:07.14 | caphuso | Spec[gone]: don't forget lindows and xandros |
| 20:07.19 | MrRio | asuffield, i agree, but no need to bitch about other distros |
| 20:07.24 | Spec | was #debian hit by lindows users? |
| 20:07.29 | sancho___ | Spec[gone]: why not? got to preserve the individuality of the distro somehow. what better way than mashing clones? |
| 20:07.30 | caphuso | Spec: occasionally |
| 20:07.34 | Spec | and i've never heard of xandros, so it couldn't have been too big of a deal |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | Spec: there would have to be some lindows users :) |
| 20:07.45 | Spec | lindows? wait, isn't it linspire now? ;) |
| 20:08.03 | caphuso | Spec: isn't it entirely dead nowadays? |
| 20:08.08 | mathias64 | has anyone else run into that ssh problem ? |
| 20:08.08 | Spec | is it? |
| 20:08.12 | Spec | libranet was sucky |
| 20:08.19 | bizkit | mathias64: no |
| 20:08.25 | mathias64 | apparantly |
| 20:08.36 | abrotman | lunitik: if you don't like this channel .. just leave .. |
| 20:08.38 | bizkit | mathias64: whatever your problem was.. tell us |
| 20:08.44 | abrotman | lunitik: you're certainly not helping anyone |
| 20:08.44 | mathias64 | i get a long delay in the middle of ssh authentication between two local computers, but only from computer a to computer b not from computer b to computer a. the delay is right after the step that ssh calls SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent |
| 20:08.46 | sancho___ | MrRio: who's bitching? A Ubuntu user was told to go to #ubuntu. what better place? |
| 20:08.54 | Spec | so...i've just released a new distro...it's called dibean ... it uses official debian isos and mirrors though. |
| 20:09.10 | sancho___ | mathias64: how does your reverse DNS look for those systems? everything working? |
| 20:09.22 | MoDaX | mathias64: reverse dns problems? |
| 20:09.57 | Spec | to be fair i'm not helping people either. |
| 20:10.09 | bizkit | mathias64: be sure to disable ipv6 completely, if you're only using ipv4. it sounds strange but helped me alot |
| 20:10.09 | Spec | if someone were to ask a question which i knew the answer to, i'd help... |
| 20:10.19 | sancho___ | Spec: thanks for adding to the already 300+ Linux distros of which a small percentage actually contribute something useful. |
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| 20:10.51 | sancho___ | Spec: and if you set up an IRC channel for your "wildly different and meaningful" clone, I'd send users to it. |
| 20:11.01 | Spec | hehe |
| 20:11.20 | mathias64 | the hosts are just a home lan. both have indentical /etc/hosts files |
| 20:11.29 | Spec | but then i'd field all the, errmm, lusers' questions, for they are the ones that you'll send to me |
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| 20:11.39 | Spec | !luser |
| 20:11.39 | dpkg | from memory, luser is a BOFH toy, or user + loser = luser |
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| 20:11.51 | sancho___ | Spec: price you pay for hosting a Linux distro for stupid users. ;) |
| 20:12.03 | Spec | stupid? no, dyslexic? perhaps. |
| 20:12.43 | Spec | so...benchmarks on a debian virtual machine via vmware's ESX are quite the low.... :-/ |
| 20:12.59 | sancho___ | Spec: no, stupid. "Debian is too difficult so I want something that has no upfront configurability and doesn't require a moderately high IQ to operate." (otherwise they'd use Debian, no?) |
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| 20:13.14 | Spec | ubuntu! whee |
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| 20:13.49 | Spec | that's the problem with making linux simpler, simpler people will use it, and less documentation will be read, and the world will go to hell. |
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| 20:14.07 | Jacky^ | hi all |
| 20:14.20 | Spec | do you really expect 600 people to answer you back, Jacky^? |
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| 20:14.34 | abrotman | damn .. it'd be impressive though :) |
| 20:14.38 | Spec | hehe |
| 20:14.41 | Spec | it'd be quite funny :p |
| 20:14.52 | Jacky^ | does anyone know a good Debian based distro bootbale from usb pen ? may with graphics desktop too ? |
| 20:14.58 | Spec | maybe |
| 20:15.00 | Spec | puppy linux |
| 20:15.01 | Jacky^ | bootable* |
| 20:15.03 | Spec | not sure if it's debian based |
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| 20:15.15 | sancho___ | Spec: because its a farce. There's no way anyone serious about using an operating system will be completely happy by an OS that masks complexity behind prettiness. |
| 20:15.23 | abrotman | Jacky^: lwn.net might have a list of items like that |
| 20:15.30 | Jacky^ | thanks |
| 20:15.37 | abrotman | or distrowatch.com |
| 20:15.41 | Eclipser | is there a way to capture everything (in X) as video? (even opengl windows?) |
| 20:16.06 | robert1 | im having a small problem with apt-get update after it connects to the repositories it says something about a GPG error |
| 20:16.12 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 20:16.12 | dpkg | hmm... apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
| 20:16.12 | Spec | Eclipser: there is a way, yes. |
| 20:16.14 | asuffield | Spec: well, you have to realise that the only ones we notice here are the ones who were too stupid to find #ubuntu, so they're the worst of a bad bunch |
| 20:16.21 | Spec | Eclipser: If you had vmware you could record your session... :p |
| 20:16.25 | asuffield | it skews things somewhat |
| 20:16.36 | Eclipser | Spec, urf :p |
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| 20:16.54 | robert1 | abrotman it just started happening |
| 20:16.54 | SR|Brunelleschi | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1390 < I've had a Machine Check Error earlier on my new machine |
| 20:16.57 | sancho___ | Spec: even stupid users have a hard time in Windows. Why will they have any better time in a Unix system that cripples what they can do by making things "seem" easier? First case they run into something that can't be handled the simple, pretty way they have have to learn how to dig into the shell and get to work with some real sysadmin skills. |
| 20:16.59 | kyncani | Eclipser: you may try istanbul |
| 20:17.05 | SR|Brunelleschi | I'm not sure what a Northbridge GART error is though |
| 20:17.05 | Spec | yes, it is true, we get the bad ones because the not-so-bad-ones know where to go |
| 20:17.16 | kyncani | Eclipser: i've never used it, but it may do what you want |
| 20:17.47 | Spec | sancho___: I've always been against the GUI |
| 20:17.56 | Spec | well, not entirely against it |
| 20:17.58 | asuffield | SR|Brunelleschi: MCEs are almost worthless unless you're doing hardware debugging or trying to RMA something |
| 20:17.59 | Spec | but against GUI configuration tools |
| 20:18.12 | asuffield | SR|Brunelleschi: it is by and large impossible for end users to gain any useful information from them |
| 20:18.15 | Spec | has anyone read Neal Stephenson's "In the beginning ... there was the command line..."? |
| 20:18.25 | asuffield | SR|Brunelleschi: ignore it unless the box is showing issues that you suspect are hardware-related |
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| 20:18.58 | cahoot | Spec: is it really a line? |
| 20:19.05 | Spec | yes. |
| 20:19.11 | Spec | unless it wraps, then it's not so much a line |
| 20:19.22 | mathias64 | OK, the ssh problem was a DNS problem after all. |
| 20:19.36 | Spec | anyways, it's a good essay/bookish/thing, really good to read, concerns linux, mac, windows, |
| 20:19.50 | sancho___ | Spec: i'm one of those hardcore bofh assholes that such buck up and learn UNIX instead of whining that its not easy enough for you. I don't care if someone else is too stupid to use it. |
| 20:20.09 | Spec | it's not hard to learn linux |
| 20:20.16 | sancho___ | my point exactly. |
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| 20:20.23 | Spec | i started off only knowing dir and cd from dos :p |
| 20:20.29 | Spec | when i was a whee lil' kid |
| 20:20.38 | asuffield | Spec: so you started out 50% ignorant :P |
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| 20:20.54 | Spec | hey, all you need is "ls", "cd", and "cp", and "mv", and ... |
| 20:20.59 | sancho___ | like most everyone. the ones that have problems are the ones too stupid to learn computing in general, regardless the OS they run. |
| 20:21.06 | Spec | well, picking up a computer language helps a bit :p |
| 20:21.09 | asuffield | mostly what you need is ls and man |
| 20:21.14 | Spec | and clear! |
| 20:21.17 | sancho___ | and a brain |
| 20:21.19 | Spec | i compulsively clear my terminals |
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| 20:21.27 | sancho___ | me too. ;) |
| 20:21.31 | Spec | oo, and vim [starts a war] |
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| 20:21.42 | typewriter | nothing to do with anything, but do US customers have to pay EU VAT ? |
| 20:21.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:21.43 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:22.07 | Spec | EU VAT? |
| 20:22.16 | typewriter | yea... |
| 20:22.17 | caphuso | tarzeau: can you stop doing that annoying and useless !popcon? |
| 20:22.24 | Spec | what is that? |
| 20:22.50 | dvs | Spec: Value added tax I think |
| 20:22.51 | SR|Brunelleschi | asuffield, have had some freezes |
| 20:22.52 | asuffield | typewriter: no. you may pay EU export tax, you will pay US import tax, and you may pay local sales tax |
| 20:23.06 | typewriter | it's services not goods |
| 20:23.14 | typewriter | so ill be exempt for all im guessing |
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| 20:23.40 | asuffield | typewriter: maybe. probably not import tax but you might get away with it because it'll never cross the desk of a customs officer |
| 20:23.57 | SR|Brunelleschi | asuffield, and I had to supply iommu=soft to the debian installer when I started out (I was using the unofficial sarge amd64 debian netinst iso) but decided to install etch with it |
| 20:24.01 | abrotman | robert1: you want the apt-secure stuff probably |
| 20:24.22 | typewriter | just out of curiosity, for EU residence you pay VAT according to your country of residence? if your in the UK you buy from france, you pay UK vat rate correct? |
| 20:24.24 | SR|Brunelleschi | if I didn't supply iommu=soft, it would panic whilst modprobing sym53c8xx |
| 20:24.49 | asuffield | typewriter: yes, although that's not the reason why |
| 20:25.03 | asuffield | SR|Brunelleschi: could be a driver issue. or it could be bad hardware. the MCEs are a good point in arguing with the retailer that they need to replace it; otherwise they aren't very significant |
| 20:25.13 | Spec | what is iommu? |
| 20:25.13 | SR|Brunelleschi | I know this, because it froze, but num lock still worked... and if I modprobed it in VC2 using the ash shell it gave me a message along the lines of "PCI-DMA: Resources but no IOMMU" |
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| 20:25.38 | SR|Brunelleschi | asuffield, do you know if using all 4GB is well supported on debian etch or not? |
| 20:26.00 | Spec | 4GB of memory? |
| 20:26.02 | SR|Brunelleschi | I believe it has to do with using TLBs to map IO into memory |
| 20:26.06 | SR|Brunelleschi | Spec, yeah |
| 20:26.08 | asuffield | typewriter: you always get charged VAT by your country of residence, but EU residents are exempt from all *foreign* tax from other EU countries, when importing from them |
| 20:26.12 | Spec | i've got a server running debian with 12 gigs |
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| 20:26.16 | Spec | it sees all 12... |
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| 20:26.27 | SR|Brunelleschi | spec... what kind of hardware is it? |
| 20:26.37 | tarzeau | what's short for terabytes? tits? |
| 20:26.39 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- I'm shitty at making cron jobs...How would I add a cronjob that runs every day at 11:59pm? |
| 20:26.41 | sancho___ | Spec: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/7104/print |
| 20:26.45 | asuffield | SR|Brunelleschi: it's supported about as well as it ever is, which is 'sometimes' |
| 20:26.50 | caphuso | SexyKen: man 5 crontab |
| 20:27.00 | SR|Brunelleschi | asuffield, heh |
| 20:27.02 | Spec | dual dual core 2.8 ghz, 12 gigs of ram, raided 70 gigs, 2 drives, 15k rpms |
| 20:27.20 | Spec | (dual dual core = smp dual core) |
| 20:27.36 | SR|Brunelleschi | opteron 2xx series on something like a Tyan K8WE? |
| 20:27.47 | Spec | no |
| 20:27.58 | SR|Brunelleschi | EM64T? |
| 20:28.06 | SexyKen | caphuso...so this is right: |
| 20:28.07 | Spec | xeon |
| 20:28.23 | SexyKen | capuhuso: 59 23 * * * /this.script |
| 20:28.25 | asuffield | Spec: convention is "two-way dual core" |
| 20:28.31 | Spec | two-way? |
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| 20:28.35 | Spec | meaning two processors? |
| 20:28.38 | asuffield | yes |
| 20:28.40 | Spec | weird |
| 20:28.46 | Spec | good to know :p |
| 20:28.49 | caphuso | SexyKen: is that a system or a user crontab file? |
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| 20:28.55 | Roey | hi |
| 20:29.16 | Roey | My printer supports duplex printing but the option is grayed out in KPrint. Why could this be? |
| 20:29.16 | SexyKen | capuhuso: I'll probably put it directly in /etc/crontab |
| 20:29.17 | holycow | guys, if i use chrootuid to do: chroot /media/usb ... the commands that run from then on will be restricted to the file system on that device, correct? |
| 20:29.23 | asuffield | SexyKen: then it's missing a username |
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| 20:29.59 | pumpkin0 | holycow: yes |
| 20:30.00 | SexyKen | capuhuso: 59 23 * * * root /this.script |
| 20:30.00 | userathei | anyone got a working repository file ? |
| 20:30.05 | holycow | pumpkin0, thank you |
| 20:30.06 | asuffield | holycow: sort of. it's not hugely secure |
| 20:30.31 | dvs | userathei: repository file? |
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| 20:30.51 | holycow | *nod* its not for security i'm cloning an hd and need to rerun grub on that file system |
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| 20:31.08 | SexyKen | Is there anyway to "test" the cronjob or no |
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| 20:31.17 | asuffield | holycow: that's right then |
| 20:31.22 | wwallace_lap | !lol |
| 20:31.22 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:31.23 | caphuso | SexyKen: set it to run in two minutes |
| 20:31.27 | Spec | sancho___: thanks for the link |
| 20:31.29 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 20:31.37 | asuffield | holycow: you probably want this form: "cd /media/usb; chroot . bin/bash" |
| 20:31.51 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: where's your other half ? |
| 20:31.53 | sancho___ | SexyKen: you can test the command the cronjob will run, but you'll have to see if your crontab time spec works by seeing if it executes then. ;) |
| 20:31.57 | userathei | dvs: my sources on the apt file are not working |
| 20:31.59 | holycow | asuffield, ah okay |
| 20:32.17 | asuffield | uh, that can be /bin/bash on the end |
| 20:32.20 | wwallace_lap | what other half? |
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| 20:32.26 | dvs | userathei: use the paster to post it |
| 20:33.05 | wwallace_lap | !u |
| 20:33.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:33.16 | Spec | !botabuse |
| 20:33.16 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:33.34 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: aren't you an op in #kanotix ? |
| 20:33.37 | Spec | the ironic part is that !botabuse is botabuse |
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| 20:33.44 | wwallace_lap | no |
| 20:33.54 | wwallace_lap | im so dumbed they would never make me op |
| 20:33.55 | userathei | dvs: you mean like paste the contents ?? |
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| 20:34.03 | dvs | userathei: yes |
| 20:34.05 | dvs | !paster |
| 20:34.05 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 20:34.27 | Spec | what's bad about pasting in #flood? |
| 20:34.36 | SR|Brunelleschi | Spec, people might not see it |
| 20:34.36 | caphuso | i so dream of a bot unable to do public messages |
| 20:34.47 | dvs | Spec: *sigh* that'll work too |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | caphuso: you can program can't you? :) |
| 20:34.51 | mathias64 | how badly does samba die if you disconnect the network without unmounting it? |
| 20:35.01 | SR|Brunelleschi | Spec, you can't refer back to it |
| 20:35.07 | asuffield | caphuso: it's easier to just kick the crap out of the users |
| 20:35.13 | SR|Brunelleschi | spec and it might get interrupted with crap |
| 20:35.14 | Spec | mathias64: what good would samba be if it crashed when your network dies? |
| 20:35.16 | caphuso | abrotman: actually, i've already written one |
| 20:35.25 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:35.31 | tarzeau | hi abrotman |
| 20:35.31 | asuffield | the thing is that if the bot only replies in private, the users just paste it |
| 20:35.34 | wwallace_lap | !fuck wwallace_lap |
| 20:35.36 | asuffield | because they haven't become any smarter |
| 20:35.37 | tarzeau | odla: play? |
| 20:35.40 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: STOP WITH THE DAMN BOT |
| 20:35.41 | efaistos | I used vgextend to add a hd on a VG but i got this message "Incorrect metadata area header checksum" but anyway "Volume group "vg01" successfully extended" |
| 20:35.45 | wwallace_lap | sorry |
| 20:35.47 | efaistos | do u know why ? |
| 20:35.49 | wwallace_lap | abrotman: |
| 20:35.54 | caphuso | isn't up to the task of handling #debian due to limited "database" backend |
| 20:36.05 | wwallace_lap | what is the command for fuck in the bot? |
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| 20:36.10 | asuffield | caphuso: that's never stopped blootbot :P |
| 20:36.13 | mathias64 | Spec: well, it has to crash eventually |
| 20:36.13 | wwallace_lap | is it !insult? |
| 20:36.18 | caphuso | asuffield: haha |
| 20:36.19 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: go to #debian-bots .. play with them there |
| 20:36.24 | wwallace_lap | oh ok |
| 20:36.33 | Spec | that sounds so dirty |
| 20:36.46 | asuffield | Spec: with good reason |
| 20:36.58 | mathias64 | good news: setting up cifs/samba over an ssh tunnel is EASY. |
| 20:37.12 | asuffield | between two unix hosts it is |
| 20:37.17 | asuffield | between a unix host and a windows host it's a pain |
| 20:37.22 | asuffield | between two windows hosts it's a nightmare |
| 20:37.29 | Spec | and what about solaris? |
| 20:37.33 | dvs | asuffield: What? samba isn't secure? *gasp* |
| 20:37.35 | Spec | doh, you said unix, not linux |
| 20:37.37 | Spec | nvm |
| 20:37.51 | asuffield | nobody uses solaris to run samba :P |
| 20:37.54 | mathias64 | asuffield: I have no plan to use a windows host. I may try it on mac os x, but that ought to be easy if there is a cifs driver for it |
| 20:38.01 | Spec | if samba were secure, wouldn't that imply that windows is secure? |
| 20:38.05 | blondie | asuffield: of course note |
| 20:38.06 | blondie | -e |
| 20:38.10 | asuffield | I think macosx just uses samba |
| 20:38.10 | caphuso | Spec: not necessarily |
| 20:38.15 | bbrazil | asuffield: I do |
| 20:38.18 | Spec | why not? |
| 20:38.28 | asuffield | bbrazil: you're sick |
| 20:38.36 | mathias64 | i doubt samba is secure. But I have some faith in openssh |
| 20:38.37 | caphuso | Spec: there could be a samba-to-samba-only extension to make it secure |
| 20:38.40 | tarzeau | Spec: something can be implemented bad and good |
| 20:38.42 | Spec | haha |
| 20:38.53 | bbrazil | asuffield: not by choice, but we have a shiney new sarge server now too |
| 20:38.55 | asuffield | well, there *is* a samba-to-samba extension |
| 20:38.59 | Spec | is it secure? :p |
| 20:39.02 | asuffield | it's not about security though |
| 20:39.11 | mathias64 | what i read this morning claimed samba is insecure by design; the rfc requires the server to fall back to insecure methods if the client asks. |
| 20:39.17 | SR|Brunelleschi | asuffield, another thing... the ram (4x1GB Corsair XMS3200something-C2 modules) is, according to the motherboard manual, supported/tested with 2GB but not listed as tested with 4GB (it's an Asus A8N-SLI Premium... I got it because it was on offer and I didn't fancy a chipset fan) - does that mean it doesn't work? |
| 20:39.18 | asuffield | between two unix hosts, samba is a full unix filesystem |
| 20:39.20 | asuffield | not a windows one |
| 20:39.37 | asuffield | it degrades gracefully to windows form when the client is windows |
| 20:39.52 | mathias64 | asuffield: when the client says it's windows... |
| 20:39.53 | blondie | no no no |
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| 20:40.01 | Goldendutchtaco | wow |
| 20:40.05 | blondie | samba between two unix boxes is horrible |
| 20:40.08 | Goldendutchtaco | there's a shit load of people here |
| 20:40.10 | mathias64 | blondie: why? |
| 20:40.23 | blondie | smbfs doesn't support multiple users |
| 20:40.33 | Spec | that's not important |
| 20:40.34 | asuffield | SR|Brunelleschi: it might do. or rather, the motherboard might not properly support more than 2Gb - it's hard to say |
| 20:40.35 | mathias64 | blondie: I don't want to support multiple users. |
| 20:40.36 | Spec | the important part is if it's secure |
| 20:40.44 | asuffield | blondie: you *really* don't want to use smbfs |
| 20:40.45 | blondie | mathias64: well it's horrible anyway |
| 20:40.48 | asuffield | blondie: you should be using cifs |
| 20:40.50 | SR|Brunelleschi | asuffield, I think it listed some others as tested with 4GB |
| 20:40.52 | Spec | SR|Brunelleschi: I would run a memory testing program.... |
| 20:40.58 | Goldendutchtaco | so, you guys ever get any pussy? |
| 20:40.58 | SR|Brunelleschi | it certainly had a 4GB "tick" column |
| 20:40.59 | blondie | asuffield: I don't want to use either :P |
| 20:41.03 | mathias64 | you ought to back up your random claims. I have yet to find anything better. |
| 20:41.11 | mathias64 | and i have been looking hard for a couple of days |
| 20:41.11 | Spec | SR|Brunelleschi: or compile your kernel over and over again and see if it compiles fine over and over again |
| 20:41.15 | SR|Brunelleschi | spec... will it work with the full 4GB on AMD64? |
| 20:41.16 | sancho___ | Goldendutchtaco: just your mom's |
| 20:41.21 | asuffield | nfs is 'better' for some values of better |
| 20:41.24 | Goldendutchtaco | My mom's dead |
| 20:41.26 | Goldendutchtaco | bitch |
| 20:41.28 | mathias64 | sancho: you beat me to it, er her, er .. |
| 20:41.28 | SR|Brunelleschi | Spec, the machine check was during an Xorg compile |
| 20:41.38 | Spec | SR|Brunelleschi: keep compiling your kernel |
| 20:41.41 | mathias64 | blondie: nfs is awful |
| 20:41.41 | blondie | Goldendutchtaco: meow |
| 20:41.45 | Spec | SR|Brunelleschi: if it fails in random places, then it's probably a memory problem |
| 20:41.45 | blondie | mathias64: no it's not |
| 20:41.49 | Spec | Goldendutchtaco: so, do you get paid? |
| 20:41.58 | blondie | mathias64: and we had this argument yesterday so shush :P |
| 20:42.00 | dvs | SR|Brunelleschi: install memtest86+ |
| 20:42.07 | Goldendutchtaco | SPEC: yea |
| 20:42.19 | Spec | Goldendutchtaco: at a good rate? |
| 20:42.30 | brendan_ | i have a package with a DEBIAN/config script, with runs when i do dpkg-reconfigure, but it doens't run when the package is first installed? |
| 20:42.36 | mathias64 | anyway, i did get a cifs over ssh setup to go through with no pain at all. Next week i'll try it on my mac at work. |
| 20:42.40 | brendan_ | anyone know why this could happen? |
| 20:42.42 | Goldendutchtaco | fairly good, yes why? |
| 20:42.50 | SR|Brunelleschi | Spec, I did "apt-get source xserver-xorg", "apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg" then used "debuild --linda" to build it so that I could extract the SDK to build a new wacom_drv.o module |
| 20:42.51 | Spec | no reason. |
| 20:42.51 | asuffield | Goldendutchtaco: hi. you have failed the test for use of the internet. this terminal will now self-destruct |
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| 20:43.03 | SR|Brunelleschi | dvs, does memtest86+ correctly address 4GB of ram on AMD64? |
| 20:43.05 | mathias64 | brenden: the script is broken? |
| 20:43.14 | Spec | hahaha |
| 20:43.19 | dvs | SR|Brunelleschi: No clue. All I know is that it test memory |
| 20:43.27 | asuffield | where was I? oh yes |
| 20:43.27 | brendan_ | mathias64, woks fine when i reconfigure the package |
| 20:43.36 | dvs | SR|Brunelleschi: Addressing 4GB of memory is up to your motherboard and kernel |
| 20:43.39 | ladrilho | can anybody tell me what should I do to play midi files in debian? it seems I don't have a /dev/sequencer device... |
| 20:43.43 | Spec | and the kernel |
| 20:43.55 | odla | tarzeau: sure |
| 20:44.01 | asuffield | nfs is *faster*, if you get it right. cifs+unix is more featureful and a little bit less crazy. neither are really what you want |
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| 20:44.07 | asuffield | nfsv4 promises to be what everybody wants |
| 20:44.11 | tarzeau | odla: ok join #bub-n-bros and we'll start in 10 minutes |
| 20:44.11 | asuffield | but is not usable yet |
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| 20:44.19 | Spec | tarzeau: gah, you're still addicted to that? |
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| 20:44.21 | mathias64 | brendan_: is this a package I can download to look at the script? |
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| 20:44.36 | brendan_ | sure |
| 20:44.45 | yosi | Hi! I need help with SD-cards in linux, i have compiled the kernel with support for it but i still cant mount them... (through an usb-device) |
| 20:44.45 | mathias64 | asuffield: nothing is exactly what i want, but something will have to do |
| 20:44.54 | mathias64 | brendan_: which one? |
| 20:45.10 | mathias64 | is it a package you are writing? |
| 20:45.11 | Spec | yosi: my built-in sd card reader is able to be read as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 20:45.22 | tarzeau | Spec: no i'm not. you join? |
| 20:45.24 | Spec | yosi: i don't think it's usb though |
| 20:45.24 | asuffield | yosi: I'm afraid that SD cards aren't supported very well. only a handful of SD readers are actually supported |
| 20:45.25 | yosi | Spec: i tried that |
| 20:45.27 | dvs | yosi: same here |
| 20:45.28 | Spec | tarzeau: naa :p |
| 20:45.37 | Spec | asuffield: really? |
| 20:45.40 | yosi | asuffield: okay, thank you... |
| 20:45.48 | Spec | i got lucky then, mine worked perfectly when i installed it (gentoo) |
| 20:45.50 | quoth | I installed the new nessusd 3.0 server. Now I want nessusclient to be able to have a gui client. a nessus client is provided but no gui, when trying to apt-get nessus it says I already have it installed. how do I get the nessuclient? running sarge |
| 20:46.00 | yosi | crap :/ |
| 20:46.10 | asuffield | Spec: the group that licenses the SD spec refuses to permit drivers that have the source published. every SD reader that works has been accomplished without proper documentation |
| 20:46.12 | Spec | it's not a gentoo/debian-specific thing though, it's a linux-kernel specific thing |
| 20:46.22 | asuffield | as a result, not many of them work |
| 20:46.25 | yosi | it claims i dont have a valid block device on /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sda1 |
| 20:46.25 | Spec | of course |
| 20:46.32 | Spec | because of the bastards that exist in this world |
| 20:46.51 | yosi | thanks anyway guys <3 Merry cristmas |
| 20:46.54 | asuffield | specifically it's because of half-arsed DRM |
| 20:47.00 | yosi | christmas* |
| 20:47.01 | asuffield | which nobody even uses |
| 20:47.06 | dvs | asuffield: on an SD card?!? |
| 20:47.08 | brendan_ | mathias64, http://www.resara.com/fedora-ds |
| 20:47.13 | brendan_ | .deb |
| 20:47.13 | Spec | that's so bullshit |
| 20:47.18 | Spec | makes me wanna kill people. |
| 20:47.24 | asuffield | dvs: yes. SD has DRM features. nobody uses them. the only thing they've accomplished is to stop free drivers |
| 20:47.24 | brendan_ | i can send you the package source too |
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| 20:47.36 | Spec | asuffield: microsoft is happy, i'm sure |
| 20:47.41 | asuffield | and the fact that you can't write a free driver indicates that the DRM features are implemented in software |
| 20:47.49 | asuffield | so they wouldn't work even if anybody used them |
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| 20:48.00 | asuffield | because we'd just reverse engineer the driver and remove them |
| 20:48.00 | jshriver | is ther anyway to get around ls's file number limitation? |
| 20:48.09 | caphuso | jshriver: it doesn't have one |
| 20:48.11 | Spec | so...the fact that my sd/CF card reader built into my laptop works in linux is rare? |
| 20:48.14 | asuffield | it's a complete joke |
| 20:48.21 | jshriver | caphuso, try ls in a directory that has over 13k files |
| 20:48.25 | asuffield | Spec: 'rare' is probably a bit extreme, but it's not common |
| 20:48.26 | dvs | asuffield: They can claim ignorance since they never saw the DRM in the first place |
| 20:48.28 | caphuso | jshriver: btdt, never had a problem |
| 20:48.29 | Spec | ah |
| 20:48.35 | jshriver | btdt? |
| 20:48.40 | Spec | well, yeah, if DRM is implemented in the driver, that's stupid |
| 20:48.49 | caphuso | jshriver: been there, done that |
| 20:48.57 | Spec | i'm sure the OS drivers don't implement DRM? |
| 20:49.00 | jshriver | ? lost |
| 20:49.17 | jshriver | oh.. |
| 20:49.24 | jshriver | how did you get around it then? |
| 20:49.27 | mathias64 | brendan_: one minute |
| 20:49.31 | asuffield | Spec: you mean the ones in linux? I don't think anybody knows, since there aren't any SD cards to test them with :P |
| 20:49.43 | caphuso | jshriver: i didn't. i told you, it doesn't have any such limit |
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| 20:50.01 | asuffield | it's worse than a misfeature, it's a non-feature |
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| 20:50.15 | jshriver | then why do I get errors from ls saying Argument list to long |
| 20:50.20 | caphuso | jshriver: now, can we skip that and go where you 1) tell us what command you used and b) what error message you got, instead of you trying to interpret it without having the required knowledge? |
| 20:50.27 | dvs | asuffield: and I suppose the write-protect tab doesn't work either. |
| 20:50.30 | asuffield | jshriver: that's your shell |
| 20:50.34 | caphuso | asuffield: no, it's the kernel |
| 20:50.38 | jshriver | ls *.jpg |
| 20:50.41 | Spec | aren't any SD cards to test them with? |
| 20:50.44 | asuffield | caphuso: bah, it comes from the shell binary :P |
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| 20:50.54 | asuffield | jshriver: you want this: echo *.jpg | xargs ls |
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| 20:51.03 | pumpkin0 | jshriver: way too much files. |
| 20:51.08 | Spec | SD as in secure digital, right? |
| 20:51.11 | caphuso | find . -name '*.jpg' |
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| 20:51.18 | dvs | Spec: I think so |
| 20:51.22 | asuffield | or just echo *.jpg |
| 20:51.30 | asuffield | Spec: to test it, you'd need an SD card with some DRMed stuff on it |
| 20:51.33 | erayk | hi =) |
| 20:51.40 | asuffield | Spec: but nobody uses it :) |
| 20:51.41 | edrin | :~$ openoffice.org-2.0 -writer |
| 20:51.41 | edrin | /usr/bin/openoffice.org-2.0: line 2: /etc/openoffice.org-2.0/program/soffice: Keine Berechtigung |
| 20:51.41 | edrin | /usr/bin/openoffice.org-2.0: line 2: exec: /etc/openoffice.org-2.0/program/soffice: cannot execute: Keine Berechtigung |
| 20:51.50 | jshriver | pumpkin0, it's all of the stock images for our inventory |
| 20:51.50 | Spec | oi, i think i probably use mmc :p |
| 20:52.02 | abrotman | edrin: we can't read german! :) |
| 20:52.10 | Spec | so can you DRM stuff on a windows comp? |
| 20:52.13 | pumpkin0 | edrin: change to root and try again. |
| 20:52.15 | asuffield | edrin: give us the messages in *english*. export LC_MESSAGES=C and do it again |
| 20:52.16 | pumpkin0 | !de |
| 20:52.16 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 20:52.34 | caphuso | edrin: where did you get that openoffice build from? |
| 20:52.49 | caphuso | err, openoffice.org |
| 20:52.50 | streuner | abrotman: Keine Berechtigung - No Permissions |
| 20:52.52 | asuffield | Spec: don't know - I've never heard of anybody using this feature, so I've never seen any tools that can use it, even on windows... |
| 20:52.52 | mathias64 | brendan_: still there? |
| 20:52.53 | jshriver | is there a way I can change ncftp to use that strting? I get the ls error in it as well.. I can't mput *.jpg |
| 20:52.54 | Roey | hi |
| 20:53.00 | brendan_ | mathias64, yea |
| 20:53.06 | abrotman | streuner: you can! .. not everyone can .. remember .. germans lost the war :) |
| 20:53.11 | Roey | does the Postscript driver for cups support duplex printing?? |
| 20:53.18 | asuffield | streuner: so that narrows it down to two possible errors :P |
| 20:53.26 | pumpkin0 | jshriver: limit the "*". use 1*, 2*, 3*,... |
| 20:53.40 | edrin | i did fakeroot alien *.deb with all the rpms of openoffice 2.0.1 -> normal user cannot start it. alien with 2.0.0 worked fine. I assume 2.0.1 has a bug? |
| 20:53.55 | caphuso | i knew it |
| 20:53.58 | brendan_ | mathias64, see anything out of place? |
| 20:53.58 | jshriver | pumpkin0, aye, that's what I've been doing, but takes a while to do 1*..Z* |
| 20:54.00 | mathias64 | brendan_: are you sure the preinst script runs in the same directory as the config script during package install |
| 20:54.16 | asuffield | jshriver: on an ftp server? I think you're screwed. but you could try lftp, or a different ftp server |
| 20:54.30 | brendan_ | mathias64, it doesn't, i just put that in there to see if i could get the config script to run |
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| 20:54.37 | jshriver | m'kay thanks :) |
| 20:54.38 | pumpkin0 | jshriver: time to learn bash-scripting. It can do such things in a batch |
| 20:54.51 | brendan_ | mathias64, i expected dpkg to run that the config script before the preinst script |
| 20:54.55 | jshriver | is there a bash scripting howto? I've man checked bash |
| 20:55.00 | bizkit | what mediaplayers are available that can handle dvd menus except xine and vlc? |
| 20:55.03 | mathias64 | brendan_: i looked through the developers manual, and section 6.6 of http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
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| 20:55.08 | Buddha| | I don't believe it. NetBSD has Gnome 2.12 and KDE 3.5, and Debian still doesn't... |
| 20:55.16 | mathias64 | brendan_: and that seems to say you have to run the config script yourself. |
| 20:55.22 | mathias64 | in preinst or postinst |
| 20:55.24 | asuffield | edrin: I'm rather surprised that it ever worked. if you can't fix it yourself then you probably aren't going to get it working |
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| 20:55.40 | mirak | how can I get folder with sftp ? |
| 20:55.48 | mirak | it doesn't want to get a folder |
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| 20:55.56 | asuffield | mirak: use rsync over ssh instead |
| 20:56.09 | pumpkin0 | mirak: or ncftp |
| 20:56.22 | asuffield | definitely not ncftp, lftp if any ftp client |
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| 20:56.33 | brendan_ | mathias64, i have looked at some other scripts(dhcpd3-server and samba) and they didn't do that |
| 20:56.33 | Pmarc | Hi, does anyone can help me on figuring what are those BADSIGS I am receiving from apt?? |
| 20:56.34 | mirak | I can't browse with them |
| 20:56.46 | Pmarc | I got all keys and imported them to apt-ky |
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| 20:56.54 | Pmarc | apt-key |
| 20:56.59 | asuffield | mirak: that's what ssh is for |
| 20:57.09 | Spec | i think it's about that time where i leave work for the holiday's... |
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| 20:57.17 | brendan_ | mathias64, i mean packages, not scripts |
| 20:57.22 | mathias64 | brendan_: have you read through the debconf-devel manpage? http://www.kitenet.net/~joey/debconf-debconf/debconf-devel.7.html |
| 20:57.24 | bizkit | mirak: lftp has nice sftp support (the sftp-server included with openssh) |
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| 20:57.43 | caphuso | and fish support for sshds without sftp enabled |
| 20:57.45 | mathias64 | that man page seems to be very detailed about how the config script gets run |
| 20:57.52 | Spec | laters', have a happy commercial-based holiday! |
| 20:57.55 | Xenguy | mirak: yeah, lftp (CLI) or gftp (GUI) |
| 20:58.01 | mirak | ok thank |
| 20:58.32 | brendan_ | yea |
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| 20:59.49 | mxn | Hi. I'm building a kernel for my Debian system. lscpi identifies my motherboard bridge as SiS 746. Is the I2C SiS 96x module OK for this? (Help says it works up to SiS 745.) |
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| 21:01.16 | soymilk | is there some guide or example script for writing .deb installation dialogues that alter conf files? |
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| 21:01.22 | caphuso | soymilk: install the debconf-doc package |
| 21:01.28 | mathias64 | soymilk: I was just pointing out man 8 debconf-devel to someone else |
| 21:01.41 | mathias64 | make that man 7 debconf-devel |
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| 21:01.42 | jordanme | why does the hard drive only use around 95% of its space when you format it in debian setup? |
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| 21:01.57 | mathias64 | jordanme: you didn't install enough to fill it up... |
| 21:02.04 | soymilk | right on |
| 21:02.11 | jordanme | i mean it uses around 5% for some kind of reserve |
| 21:02.12 | abrotman | jordanme: you mean space available in df ? |
| 21:02.17 | abrotman | jordanme: is it ext2/3 ? |
| 21:02.18 | wwallace_lap | df -h |
| 21:02.22 | jordanme | ext3 |
| 21:02.38 | abrotman | jordanme: well .. unless you explicitly specify otherwise .. ext2/3 reserve 5% for root |
| 21:02.40 | jordanme | im talking about when i go through setup and format an entire disk it keeps like 5% for some kind of resrve |
| 21:02.40 | Buddha| | jordanme: that 5% is for the journal |
| 21:02.45 | edrin | asuffield: 2.0.0 worked really fine with alien |
| 21:02.46 | abrotman | Buddha|: no |
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| 21:02.59 | asuffield | edrin: you got lucky |
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| 21:03.14 | Buddha| | abrotman - no? I thought ext3 reserved space, and ext2 didn't |
| 21:03.16 | abrotman | Buddha|: ext2 also reservers 5% .. and has no journal |
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| 21:03.20 | edrin | please note: ooo 2.0 is MUCH better then ooo 1 |
| 21:03.33 | jordanme | so what happens if i use less reserve? like i only reserve 1% |
| 21:03.33 | asuffield | jordanme: the rest is reserved for root |
| 21:03.38 | shama | anybody know what the latest kernel-source package is for unstable? |
| 21:03.42 | asuffield | jordanme: then less will be reserved |
| 21:03.45 | jordanme | cause htis is just for a storage drive |
| 21:03.47 | mathias64 | jordanme: man mke2fs. look at the -m option |
| 21:03.56 | jordanme | is there a downside to that? |
| 21:03.56 | shama | searching packages.debian.org doesn't seem to show a 2.6 tree for unstable |
| 21:04.07 | jordanme | do you need to the reserve for crash protection or anything? |
| 21:04.10 | asuffield | jordanme: you reserve space for root so that when all of your idiot users have filled the disks, you can still log in and do shit to fix it |
| 21:04.16 | mathias64 | shama: it's linux-image instead of kernel-image |
| 21:04.18 | asuffield | jordanme: it's not used for anything else |
| 21:04.23 | jordanme | ok |
| 21:04.36 | DukeXC | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.37 | abrotman | Buddha|: man mke2fs .. look for the -m option |
| 21:04.38 | jordanme | so if its a second hard drive just for storage than 1% reserve should be fine, right? |
| 21:04.43 | DukeXC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.58 | shama | mathias64: ahh, I knew the name must have changed (linux-source, not kernel-source) |
| 21:05.05 | mathias64 | jordanme: yes, you can set it lower |
| 21:05.11 | jordanme | also what is the best block size to choose for storage of 5-10mb music |
| 21:05.19 | jordanme | i have about 300gb of albums |
| 21:05.51 | mathias64 | jordanme: just RTFMP ! it talks all about these things! |
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| 21:06.04 | jordanme | whats RTFMP? |
| 21:06.06 | blondie | jordanme: you have too much music |
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| 21:06.14 | blondie | best delete 95% of it |
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| 21:06.22 | erayk | hi |
| 21:06.30 | shama | mathias64: thanks for the info |
| 21:06.37 | erayk | i have some problems with ethernet & wireless with debian sarge |
| 21:06.40 | mathias64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.01 | jordanme | ok thanks guys |
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| 21:07.26 | octoberdan | How do I get 'locate' up to date? |
| 21:07.40 | mathias64 | octoberdan: run updatdb as root |
| 21:07.44 | caphuso | octoberdan: updatedb |
| 21:07.46 | mathias64 | and install anacron instead of cron |
| 21:08.08 | octoberdan | caphuso: Thanks! |
| 21:08.16 | erayk | I installed Debian Sarge from a ubuntu live cd |
| 21:08.34 | erayk | to recognize my HDD Sata-Raid |
| 21:09.01 | soymilk | mathias64: is anacron a drop-in replacement for cron? |
| 21:09.03 | mathias64 | erayk: that probably doesn't matter |
| 21:09.10 | erayk | ? |
| 21:09.11 | asuffield | soymilk: they don't even remotely do the same thing |
| 21:09.16 | asuffield | you normally want both |
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| 21:09.29 | asuffield | unless it's a production server, in which case anacron is useless |
| 21:09.34 | soymilk | that's what i gathered from the info on it, but he said install it instead of cron |
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| 21:10.21 | mathias64 | soymilk: i suppose i should say install it along with cron. |
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| 21:10.40 | erayk | so, what the matter ? |
| 21:11.05 | mathias64 | erayk: you haven't said what problem you are having with wireless. how can we know what the problem is? |
| 21:11.06 | abrotman | erayk: might help if we knew WHICH wifi or ethernet it was |
| 21:12.23 | zicker | hello! i have a question in which i hope you could kindly shed some light... i ran tiger on my freshly installed VPS and it gave me a lot of warnings such as "None of the following versions of /bin/bash (-rwxr-xr-x) matched the /bin/bash on this machine." i know this might be sign of a hacked system but in this case i'm sure my system isn't hacked. |
| 21:13.20 | zicker | so any idea idea what might cause this (and how to fix it?) |
| 21:13.36 | bizkit | zicker: which tool is giving you this error? |
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| 21:13.46 | _gpg_ | hello |
| 21:13.49 | pumpkin0 | zicker: did you use a up-to-date version of tiger ? |
| 21:13.56 | mathias64 | soymilk: once anacron is installed, it will run your cron jobs instead of cron, which is why i claimed that anacron is a replacement. |
| 21:13.58 | erayk | ah |
| 21:14.04 | zicker | bizkit, tiger |
| 21:14.22 | erayk | I said that debian doesn't recognize my wireless card |
| 21:14.28 | mathias64 | zicker: so the bin/bash you have doesn't match the ones in its database. |
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| 21:14.33 | abrotman | erayk: might help if we knew WHICH wifi or ethernet it was |
| 21:14.47 | zicker | mathias, yes... |
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| 21:15.11 | zicker | pumpkin0, hmm.. afaik, yes. |
| 21:15.16 | mathias64 | zicker: so check if the one you have is official, and if it is add it ssignature to the database somehow. that's the pain of these systems. |
| 21:15.27 | erayk | abrotman ? |
| 21:15.46 | pumpkin0 | erayk: WHICH wireless card do you have ? |
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| 21:16.01 | RolandU | hi all! I have a hypothetical question. My usb-ports are currently numbered usb0, usb1, etc ..... what if I connect a 8-port-usb-hub to usb0 - which numbers will it get? are the current kernels prepared for hubs? |
| 21:16.11 | erayk | Intel |
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| 21:16.18 | erayk | and the ethetnet card is Realtek |
| 21:16.33 | erayk | wireless : Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 21:16.34 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 21:16.34 | dpkg | [ipw2100] a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 21:16.37 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 21:16.37 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 21:16.57 | mathias64 | RolandU; hubs should work fine. what device files are you looking at for usb0 usb1 etc? |
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| 21:17.07 | zicker | mathias, ok. any idea how to add the signature in it? |
| 21:17.11 | erayk | ethernet : ealtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet |
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| 21:17.15 | erayk | Realtek* |
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| 21:17.46 | soymilk | i installed anacron and it is running updatedb |
| 21:18.03 | soymilk | odd, since this system was on at 6:15 this morning... |
| 21:18.18 | erayk | thx I'll install wifi ;) |
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| 21:20.31 | _gpg_ | can't find any server to download debian-31 r1 ? |
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| 21:20.49 | _gpg_ | and jigdo is too slow .. |
| 21:21.03 | mrvnr_ | I have a problem. I'm running mostly sarge (on Dell Inspiron 8000 w/Rage Mobility M4), and I upgraded from xserver-xfree86 to xserver-xorg (6.8.2.dfsg.1-11) and related 6.8.2.* files. Now some apps do not get the correct colors (xmille, xgalaga-hyperspace, xpat2). Another (proprietary) app, when run from gnome-terminal gives 'Warning: Color name "Black" is not defined' and same for White; it did not do this before. Is xorg more picky about |
| 21:21.05 | soymilk | _gpg_: not debian.org? |
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| 21:21.35 | Buddha| | Does anyone know when Gnome 2.12 or KDE 3.5 will be available in Sid? |
| 21:21.37 | pumpkin0 | _gpg_: well, just wait... or donate a bit bandwidth to debian.org |
| 21:21.48 | _gpg_ | i followed all the liks but no way to get directly the iso files -_-* |
| 21:22.09 | soymilk | Buddha|: there is a source for sid |
| 21:22.28 | mathias64 | mrvnr_: do you have /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt ? |
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| 21:22.33 | odla | kde 3.5 is flashy |
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| 21:22.45 | soymilk | Buddha|: /msg dpkg kde 3.5 |
| 21:23.23 | mathias64 | _gpg_: they like you to use jigdo, like the docs say. or you can download just a net install image which is faster and smaller, and the download the rest of the stuff over the net later |
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| 21:23.29 | ohad | hi, how do i change the dependency files on a pkg? |
| 21:23.35 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: it's a broken symlink! |
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| 21:24.00 | mathias64 | mrvnr_: well, that's the cause |
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| 21:24.00 | RolandU | mathias64, that's /dev/sda1 |
| 21:24.01 | Omnix | ohad: it probably depends on them for good reason |
| 21:24.03 | pjv | has anyone here installed and configured webmail? is that like a frontend of sendmail? or is it another sendmail clone? |
| 21:24.27 | mathias64 | how do we get the dpkg bot to say what package rbg.txt is in? |
| 21:24.32 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: should that be part of xserver-common or xserver-xorg or some other pkg? |
| 21:24.33 | ArabianMystic | Greetings |
| 21:24.37 | ohad | Omnix, i've already read that i can change that one dependcy |
| 21:24.42 | mathias64 | RolandU: so there is no usb0? |
| 21:24.42 | ohad | Omnix, i think it's ok. |
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| 21:24.49 | pumpkin0 | mathias64: !find file |
| 21:25.02 | mathias64 | mrvnr_ It is part of x11-common. I wanted to see how to do the bot trick. |
| 21:25.19 | MrRio | the trash button wont show my trash, but /home/rio/.Trash/ will |
| 21:25.22 | MrRio | any ideas? |
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| 21:25.37 | pumpkin0 | mathias64: it's quite slow, don't stress him too much |
| 21:26.05 | octoberdan | is there a way to run X remotely? |
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| 21:26.07 | RolandU | no, that was my mountpoint |
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| 21:26.10 | mathias64 | pumpkin0: he didn't find it, but dpkg -S /etc/X11/rgb.txt on my computer did. hmm. |
| 21:26.18 | ArabianMystic | Question: I've just apt-got Gnome - does anyone know how to change the resolution of the monitor in it? |
| 21:26.18 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 21:26.30 | MrRio | i just get a blank window that says Trash at the top |
| 21:26.32 | mathias64 | mrvnr: jus download rgb.txt from the eb and put it in the right place. it's a standard file, so the debian one is just like the others |
| 21:26.34 | pumpkin0 | mathias64: i don't know how to make him search outside stable... |
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| 21:28.06 | RolandU | mathias64, usb0 was my mountpoint, sorry |
| 21:28.07 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: /etc/X11/rgb.txt is missing, but is listed in dpkg -L x11-common |
| 21:28.31 | mathias64 | RolandU: if it's just a mount point directory, you can always make more. |
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| 21:28.53 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: eb? |
| 21:29.00 | mathias64 | mrvnr_: web , sorry |
| 21:29.22 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: 'k, thanks much!!! |
| 21:29.25 | mathias64 | brb |
| 21:29.38 | SexyKen | Anyone ever setup a VPN before? |
| 21:29.41 | Haukkari | what to do when Debian Testing is missing the packet "kdeaddons"? I think I should just install it from unstable or stable. Any better ideas |
| 21:30.14 | abrotman | Haukkari: wait a couple of days ? |
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| 21:30.24 | abrotman | SexyKen: try to be less vague |
| 21:30.33 | SexyKen | Okay fine |
| 21:30.35 | Haukkari | abrotman: that should fix it? :) |
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| 21:30.39 | SexyKen | Has anyone ever setup a Virtual Private network before? |
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| 21:30.57 | abrotman | SexyKen: try to be less vague |
| 21:31.03 | abrotman | SexyKen: as in .. are you having problems? |
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| 21:31.09 | SexyKen | Uh |
| 21:31.10 | abrotman | Haukkari: with testing .. usually |
| 21:31.11 | SexyKen | No I'm not. |
| 21:31.14 | SexyKen | I am just curiuos |
| 21:31.15 | SexyKen | So |
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| 21:31.19 | SexyKen | For fucks sake |
| 21:31.24 | abrotman | !why is kdeaddons not in testing |
| 21:31.24 | dpkg | kdeaddons is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdeaddons |
| 21:31.28 | abrotman | Haukkari: ^^ |
| 21:31.30 | soymilk | !tell SexyKen about enter |
| 21:31.31 | abrotman | SexyKen: many people have .. |
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| 21:31.48 | RolandU | mathias64, what I meant was, which numbers will the hub's ports get if I connect the hub to sda1 for example |
| 21:32.03 | Haukkari | abrotman: great |
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| 21:32.35 | basse | hi. I was about to install kde3.5.. but for some reason apt wants to remove my kernel image in the process.. from where can I see why it wants to do that.. _ |
| 21:32.38 | basse | ? |
| 21:32.39 | mathias64 | RolandU: sda is a scsi disk device, possibly a scsi emulation for a usb device. another usb crive would get sdb in this scheme |
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| 21:33.36 | le_mackeux | Hi guys. What should i look for if I think clampmss isn't fixing my mtu problem? |
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| 21:34.44 | RolandU | mathias64, yes I think it is emulated because I have to use the old 2.4 kernel, 2.6 always crashes during boot |
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| 21:35.22 | mathias64 | RolandU: no, usb drives are always accessed via scsi emulation in linux. it's just how it works. |
| 21:35.31 | RolandU | ah ok |
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| 21:36.07 | RolandU | now the tricky thing would be connecting a usb-harddrive with serveral partitions to a usb-hub |
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| 21:37.36 | mathias64 | RolandU: the partitions would be sda1, sda2, sda3, and so one. sda corresponds to one disk |
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| 21:38.00 | Buddha| | soymilk - doesn't work. I'm on an Athlon64... |
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| 21:38.12 | Haukkari | !testing |
| 21:38.13 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 21:38.19 | soymilk | RolandU: you could use blkid to read the block ID's of each partiton/drive, then use that in fstab instead of the device name |
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| 21:38.41 | hume | got an apt problem: trying to remove phpmyadmin i get an error msg: /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm: line 12: db_get: command not found |
| 21:38.47 | soymilk | RolandU: this way they would always mount regardless of the device name assignment |
| 21:38.50 | hume | anyone got any advice? |
| 21:38.53 | Borg^Queen | Hi people. I'm running Sarge and I just discovered I can't burn a cdr. I can burn everything else but. Is there a fix for this? |
| 21:39.14 | Borg^Queen | Can anyone else running Sarge burn a cdr? |
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| 21:39.16 | RolandU | soymilk, that would be nice, I will write that down and try it when I have the hub. |
| 21:39.21 | tarzeau | Borg^Queen: i can |
| 21:39.22 | hume | Borg^Queen, what do you mean you can burn anything else? |
| 21:39.29 | mae | is there anyway to make ssh let you type interactively without waiting for acks from server ? |
| 21:39.36 | Borg^Queen | dvdr, dvdrw, cdrw |
| 21:39.37 | tarzeau | when will etch be released? |
| 21:39.40 | soymilk | i can |
| 21:39.49 | RolandU | soymilk, are you soymilk-drinker from Vienna? |
| 21:39.49 | hume | Borg^Queen, could it be the burner? |
| 21:39.55 | kingsley | Borg^Queen: Do you get an error message? |
| 21:39.56 | soymilk | RolandU: no |
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| 21:40.00 | Borg^Queen | both of them? And one is brand new. |
| 21:40.04 | hume | Borg^Queen, what program do you use? |
| 21:40.08 | odla | tarzeau: i heard maybe around december 2006 |
| 21:40.13 | Borg^Queen | k3b |
| 21:40.15 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: that seems to have fixed it (in a new X session; haven't quit this one yet). |
| 21:40.23 | Borg^Queen | xcdroast |
| 21:40.43 | soymilk | Borg^Queen: running it as root or as normal user? |
| 21:40.45 | hume | Borg^Queen, what error msgs? |
| 21:41.01 | soymilk | Borg^Queen: IIRC you can't burn CD's as root |
| 21:41.03 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: the file appears to be in the x11-common package. Perhaps this is an upgrade issue? Has anyone else experience this? |
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| 21:41.14 | odla | soymilk: you can burn cds as root |
| 21:41.23 | Borg^Queen | Well real error msg, it just can't verify the write as if it didn't write |
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| 21:41.33 | soymilk | odla: no, some security feature doesn't let you - if you enable it |
| 21:41.43 | mathias64 | mrvnr_: i haven't heard about it. you culd read through the x11-common bug reports to se eif it has happened to someone else, or look at the x11-common changelog to see if it was marked as fixed at some point |
| 21:41.46 | jeff2 | can wget download from a virtual host using an IP address? |
| 21:41.47 | hume | anyone got advice on what to do when apt-get remove gets errors? I cant remove and not install.....? package is phpmyadmin |
| 21:41.57 | odla | soymilk: i can burn cds with root and i haven't enabled any features |
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| 21:42.05 | sk1z0 | what's the difference b/w putting the IP address in /etc/hosts and entering it with ifconfig ? |
| 21:42.08 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: if this is reproduceable elsewhere, I will file a bug. |
| 21:42.12 | odla | soymilk: oh i see...you mean if you enable security features |
| 21:42.15 | hume | Borg^Queen, not that it is set to dummy burn? |
| 21:42.22 | soymilk | Borg^Queen: i recently have been unable to burn CD's with k3b in sid. i had to user NeroLinux |
| 21:42.24 | Borg^Queen | I tried that too |
| 21:42.33 | soymilk | odla: IIRC yes. |
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| 21:42.40 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: will do. |
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| 21:43.13 | RolandU | soymilk, mathias64 thanks! |
| 21:43.22 | Borg^Queen | So what should I try? |
| 21:43.25 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: again, thanks much! bye. |
| 21:43.25 | wwallace_lap | where can i find all the stuff dpkg bot knows? |
| 21:43.46 | resiak | !my factoids |
| 21:43.46 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 21:44.04 | mathias64 | mrvnr: look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343389 |
| 21:44.05 | le_mackeux | Question: I have problems with my dsl providing internet to my lan(masquerading). Some web sites aren't available from my lan but they are from my debian-router. I tried with the clampmss thing but it didn't fix. Any suggestion what should i do? |
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| 21:45.11 | soymilk | le_mackeux: tcp congestion notification? |
| 21:45.27 | mrvnr_ | mathias64: got it! already fixed. thanks! |
| 21:45.34 | le_mackeux | SoymilK; that should be in syslog or dmsg? |
| 21:45.37 | Omnix | I'm trying to ensure UTF-8 is set up properly on here - could somebody confirm that this is a Pound/Sterling symbol please? £ |
| 21:45.50 | thingfish | looks right, Omnix. |
| 21:46.24 | Omnix | thingfish: thanks. I've been mucking about for a couple of hours now - turns out the guy I was testing with had a problem with *his* setup :) |
| 21:47.03 | soymilk | Omnix: £ € ¥ |
| 21:47.03 | ArabianMystic | Question: I have just launched xfree86config and I'm about to select the vertical sync range. The problem is that I have a laptop with it's own monitor and I am unsure of what the vsync range should be. What should the average laptop be set at? |
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| 21:47.42 | le_mackeux | soymilk: no, i don't. there is nothing about congestion into syslog nor dmesg |
| 21:47.52 | Omnix | soymilk: I see a pound symbol, space, box, inverted 'B', box, space then a Yen symbol |
| 21:47.58 | abrotman | ArabianMystic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. don't use that program |
| 21:48.09 | soymilk | le_mackeux: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 21:48.13 | mathias64 | arabianmystic: mine is 43--72. You might try searching on google for the config for your laptop. and follow abrotan's advice. |
| 21:48.23 | soymilk | Omnix: then the euro doesn't show |
| 21:48.24 | ArabianMystic | thank you. |
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| 21:49.01 | soymilk | Omnix: try perl -e 'for$i(160..255){printf"%c%c",$i,($i%16==15)?10:32}' in your terminal |
| 21:49.06 | ArabianMystic | abrotman, I can't seem to use that command... |
| 21:49.13 | le_mackeux | soymilk: that would be during the router has the dsl connection on... cuz i'm actually using a dumb linksys router otherwise i wouldn't able to get here |
| 21:49.15 | basse | -win close |
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| 21:49.34 | Omnix | soymilk: I've been using the test case file in the howto that dpkg has - there is a Euro symbol in it which works for me |
| 21:49.51 | PhoenixMan | Hi. I'm using sudo on my server and I wish to allow everyone in the group "root" to be able to run any command, except "passwd root" and "su root" and the "sudo" command. I tried doing so, but it keeps ending up giving them full control or no control. Any way of archieving my goals? |
| 21:50.04 | Omnix | soymilk: lots of boxes |
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| 21:50.06 | abrotman | ArabianMystic: are you root? |
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| 21:50.21 | soymilk | Omnix: what does "echo $LANG" say? |
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| 21:50.25 | ArabianMystic | abrotman, *slaps forehead* let me try again. |
| 21:50.32 | Omnix | soymilk: en_GB.UTF-8 |
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| 21:50.55 | soymilk | Omnix: and the font in your term is hopefully also UTF-8 encoding? |
| 21:51.02 | PhoenixMan | Hi. I'm using sudo on my server and I wish to allow everyone in the group "root" to be able to run any command, except "passwd root" and "su root" and the "sudo" command. I tried doing so, but it keeps ending up giving them full control or no control. Any way of archieving my goals? |
| 21:51.10 | Omnix | soymilk: good question, I'll double check that |
| 21:51.12 | soymilk | Omnix: if its ISO-8859 or something that would be an issue |
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| 21:51.42 | ArabianMystic | abrotman, "Please enter your video card's bus identifier" ??? |
| 21:51.47 | caphuso | PhoenixMan: no |
| 21:52.02 | thingfish | ArabianMystic: just hit enter there. |
| 21:52.11 | thingfish | it's not needed. |
| 21:52.12 | PhoenixMan | :( |
| 21:52.18 | abrotman | ArabianMystic: blank |
| 21:52.25 | ArabianMystic | Thanks. |
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| 21:52.27 | caphuso | PhoenixMan: every command includes e.g. /bin/bash, and once the user got a root shell, he can do whatever he likes |
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| 21:53.14 | PhoenixMan | Well, I simply want to disable the "passwd" command and the "su" command, and prevent "sudo sudo /bin/bash" kinda things. |
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| 21:53.32 | caphuso | PhoenixMan: it also includes "editor /etc/sudoers", so he could simply change whatever silly limits you impose upon the full root access he has anyway |
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| 21:54.20 | PhoenixMan | uh |
| 21:54.24 | NOthsouth | Hello, how can I rm the Computer and USER`s Home of my desktop area? |
| 21:54.26 | caphuso | PhoenixMan: you want to disallow "sudo sudo /bin/bash" but allow "sudo /bin/bash"? you haven't really thougt that out at all, have you? |
| 21:54.34 | NOthsouth | I can`t find it |
| 21:55.27 | eleftherios | NOthsouth, I think there is an option in GNOME to hide desktop icons if that's what you would like |
| 21:55.29 | PhoenixMan | Nope. |
| 21:55.47 | ArabianMystic | Alright, well, I need to restart X... thank you all for your help. |
| 21:56.02 | NOthsouth | eleftherios, nop, i just want to del this icons.. not the others.. |
| 21:56.11 | caphuso | PhoenixMan: sudo is _only_ meaningful if you use it to allow access to specific, very carefully chosen commands. everything else is security through listening to the dumb masses |
| 21:56.11 | eleftherios | NOthsouth, oh, ok |
| 21:56.39 | PhoenixMan | Alright. I see. |
| 21:56.48 | PhoenixMan | Just found out I can put them in various lists. ^_^ |
| 21:57.24 | PhoenixMan | Thanks for your help. Door. *door appears* |
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| 21:58.40 | octoberdan | How do I remove a package name from the list of packages waiting to be removed? |
| 21:58.50 | FourierSeries | so to speak |
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| 22:00.36 | FourierSeries | octoberdan: what package manager are you using? |
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| 22:01.31 | Kal_Zakath | hi |
| 22:01.53 | Kal_Zakath | need some help with a new box I just bought touday |
| 22:02.14 | Kal_Zakath | it's a Sun Ultra Enterprise 2 |
| 22:02.27 | Kal_Zakath | 2x200Mhz + 512MB RAM |
| 22:02.39 | sam_ | here, dost thou read this fine manual |
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| 22:02.58 | Aghaster | hi |
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| 22:03.09 | aequis | lol |
| 22:03.23 | soymilk | sam_: wouldn't that be "readest thou this fine manual" ? |
| 22:03.29 | Kal_Zakath | I just downloaded and burned sparc netinstall cdrom |
| 22:03.31 | wwallace_lap | r u kidding me |
| 22:03.43 | wwallace_lap | this is debian you cant talk like aol? |
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| 22:03.52 | Kal_Zakath | at the openboot prompt I type : boot cdrom |
| 22:03.58 | soymilk | sam_: or can you use the 2nd person auxilliary modal like that with an infinitive? |
| 22:04.05 | aequis | :P |
| 22:04.12 | Kal_Zakath | and then, I have : Boot device : /sbus/SUNW, fa@e,8800000/sd@6,0:f File ans args |
| 22:04.26 | Kal_Zakath | then nothing happens |
| 22:04.28 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 22:04.29 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 22:04.31 | Aghaster | lol, you succk wallace |
| 22:04.35 | soymilk | actually that ins't an auxilliary modal.... |
| 22:05.00 | aequis | lol |
| 22:05.08 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 22:05.12 | wwallace_lap | ru crazy |
| 22:05.35 | Moeen | Is it possible to remove one of the mails in Mailing list of debian in lists.debian.org ? It's important for me, if there is one Debian Operator who can do it for me, please tell me to describe the situation for him. |
| 22:05.53 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 22:05.57 | Moeen | s/him/him//her/ |
| 22:05.58 | wwallace_lap | one of the mails? lol |
| 22:06.02 | Borg^Queen | I fixed it guys thanks |
| 22:06.07 | odla | wwallace_lap: are you high? |
| 22:06.08 | soymilk | Moeen: what would that accomplish? you can't delete it from every person's computer on the list... |
| 22:06.08 | Moeen | wwallace_lap, yes :D |
| 22:06.13 | Borg^Queen | or should I say my dear grepper did. |
| 22:06.15 | aequis | xD |
| 22:06.15 | Borg^Queen | later |
| 22:06.17 | wwallace_lap | <Aghaster> "hey guys, look at me, i'm saying lol!!! come on! ban me! hey dont you hear me? i said lol!!! go on! ban me! |
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| 22:06.23 | Aghaster | ... |
| 22:06.25 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 22:06.28 | Kal_Zakath | won't get any help here |
| 22:06.30 | Kal_Zakath | so |
| 22:06.35 | Kal_Zakath | bye |
| 22:06.38 | Aghaster | i was quoting what you are doing, wwallace |
| 22:06.38 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 22:06.40 | Moeen | soymilk, it's ok for another persons, just want to delete it from lists.debian.com |
| 22:06.41 | wwallace_lap | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.42 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 22:06.44 | odla | wwallace_lap: oh you're trolling |
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| 22:06.54 | Aghaster | lol, you are the only fool here wwallace |
| 22:06.55 | wwallace_lap | !troll |
| 22:06.55 | dpkg | somebody said troll was http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards) |
| 22:07.00 | wwallace_lap | lol |
| 22:07.19 | mathias64 | Moeen: there is no way to remove an email from the archive. the more you fuss about it the more attention is drawn to your email. |
| 22:07.20 | sussudio | how did he get in here? |
| 22:08.07 | odla | Moeen: what did you write in it? |
| 22:08.34 | Moeen | odla, nothing important ! but it comes as the first result of Google when you search my name :( |
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| 22:08.53 | lekvar | I've been having repeated trouble with the network not coming up automatically in an etch install onto a thinkpad 600e, both with 2.4 and 2.6 (i've been experimenting). the behavior under either kernel is somewhat different. Any suggestions? Maybe try a minimal Sarge and then upgrade? |
| 22:09.02 | Moeen | mathias64, it's a mail of 2 years ago ! |
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| 22:09.27 | aphexer | i finally got my system to use my webcam. Xawtv can even display what my webcam is seeing, however it's way too green, it's all green, where can i change those settings? |
| 22:09.30 | odla | Moeen: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2004/02/msg00122.html |
| 22:09.33 | odla | that one ;) |
| 22:09.36 | lekvar | Under 2..6 the network card doesn't activate at all until i ifup... under 2.4 the cards' lights come on but i still have to ifup to actually make the network activate |
| 22:09.42 | FourierSeries | lekvar: what is the card? |
| 22:09.49 | mathias64 | moeen: if you want other things to come up in google you have to do other things. make a homepage. write software. get in the news. but the list maintainers don't delete messages from the archive |
| 22:09.50 | Moeen | odla, yes |
| 22:09.54 | soymilk | Moeen: i had that happen somewhere else, only i had sent a regular e-mail to someone and they forwarded it to a public list that is archived on the web without my knowlege/permission. they also wouldn't delete it later. bastards. |
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| 22:10.02 | lekvar | FourierSeries: Same exact results with a xircom and with an ee2000... |
| 22:10.18 | odla | Moeen: why is that bad? |
| 22:10.38 | Moeen | mathias64, I made, but everytime Debian has more visitor, so my Site will be in second result |
| 22:11.00 | lekvar | also under the installer in 2.6 it doesn't even find the card unless i modprobe a bunch of stuff in a shell. under 2.4 it manages to find the card and do its netinstall... under 2.6, when i DO get it to find the card, it presents it to me as a firewire device! |
| 22:11.06 | FourierSeries | lekvar: Ok, basically it works. is just not starting automatically? |
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| 22:11.18 | mathias64 | moeen: i don't think that's how google works. |
| 22:11.23 | Moeen | odla, it's not bad, but everybody who search for my name, get it as first result ! I don't like it |
| 22:11.23 | plugwash | anyone here familar with the debain sendmail package? |
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| 22:11.46 | FourierSeries | lekvar: hmm .. |
| 22:11.48 | bonez39 | dpkg, apt-get verification |
| 22:11.50 | lekvar | FourierSeries: well sort of aside from the (i presume) hotplug weirdness in 2.6 |
| 22:11.51 | odla | Moeen: well that will likely change over time...you know? |
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| 22:12.15 | plugwash | my system is no longer listning on port 25 and i've no idea where to start finding out why |
| 22:12.25 | Moeen | odla, It's for 2 years ago, but didn't change yet |
| 22:12.43 | soymilk | plugwash: edit sendmail.mc ? |
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| 22:13.07 | hansi_xp | hello, is it possible to set up xfree86 with a very generic video driver setup? - me having problems setting up the video driver |
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| 22:13.13 | bonez39 | how does one resolve the verification issue , when running the new apt-get? |
| 22:13.27 | sifi | how can I set gnome-terminal to set max-width to the window on start permanently |
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| 22:13.37 | FourierSeries | lekvar: I'm using a TP "600." not the same; but ... |
| 22:13.44 | lekvar | I tried switching the 2.6 install to udev and wound up making it unbootable with complaints of absent root_pivot, but i was also experimenting with forcing on acpi, since that seems to be tied into hotplug and i get weird stuff in dmesg which appears related (complaints of inability to load acpi_shpchp in particular, though it appears to load up yenta_socket |
| 22:13.56 | soymilk | !tell bonez39 about apt-secure |
| 22:13.57 | Moeen | mathias64, do you know a Mailing List container ? |
| 22:14.05 | mathias64 | moeen: a what? |
| 22:14.06 | lekvar | FourierSeries: From what I gather the 600 series are pretty similar in a lot of this |
| 22:14.08 | soymilk | hehe |
| 22:14.09 | ohad | hi, i am trying to close some ports on my machine :/ running '/usr/sbin/update-inetd --disable postgres' and then restarting /etc/init.d/inetd restart did not do the trick.. what am i forgeting? |
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| 22:14.29 | Moeen | mathias64, Mailing list Maintainer |
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| 22:14.53 | Moeen | mathias64, some one who has it's power to delete a message |
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| 22:15.12 | FourierSeries | lekvar: lemmie vgrep my conf files. I did had some trouble getting the network up on this thing; but, it was quite a while ago ... |
| 22:15.17 | mathias64 | moeen: i don't know them personally. you can get an email addr from the debian website. but i have seen other people try to get messges deleted, and i have never actually seen the message get deleted. my advice is to forget about it |
| 22:15.28 | lekvar | FourierSeries: My only vague guess is that the issue is two layered, one being etch and the other being the kernel, since using 2.4 seems to leave the system able to at least spot the card enough to get its lights on |
| 22:15.47 | le_mackeux | Soymilk: i watch for connection congestion and there is nothing |
| 22:16.05 | lekvar | I've installed debian on a 600x before (a long while back) and didnt have these problems |
| 22:17.14 | plugwash | does anyone know if the debian sendmail package runs it as a standalone server or through inetd by default |
| 22:17.28 | plugwash | it would be very usefull to know for troubleshooting |
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| 22:17.47 | mathias64 | plugwash: it can't be very hard to find out |
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| 22:17.54 | FourierSeries | lekvar: I suppose I could paste up some of my conf file. I had to hack them up to get my network working, so my installation is non-standard. |
| 22:18.03 | le_mackeux | plugwash: you configured it when installing it |
| 22:18.22 | FourierSeries | lekvar: plus I rolled my own kernel ( 2.6 ) .. at least it might give you some ideas ... |
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| 22:18.31 | FourierSeries | lekvar: if you'd like |
| 22:18.35 | beginer | hi all... i just install debian... (180mb cd)... pls help me to set eth0... |
| 22:18.55 | lekvar | FourierSeries: pasting it won't help. i'm on my roomate's system and won't have anyplace to put them. you can email them to me. msg me for address. |
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| 22:19.04 | plugwash | wonderfull dpkg-reconfigure sendmail is segfaulting |
| 22:19.06 | le_mackeux | mathias: i'm still working on the dsl problem i talked to you few days ago. Still have time to chat with me? |
| 22:19.12 | le_mackeux | lol |
| 22:19.13 | beginer | how can i set gateway? |
| 22:19.19 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: what problem was that? |
| 22:19.29 | mathias64 | beginer: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:19.37 | le_mackeux | beginer: route add default gw (gateway ip) |
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| 22:19.56 | lekvar | I tried installing fedora core 4 by putting its pxeboot vmlizun and initrd into /boot and my grub menu and then mounting the iso's off a partition i set aside for this purpose, and the installer crashes consistantly |
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| 22:20.07 | lekvar | s/vmlizun/vmlinuz/g |
| 22:20.23 | le_mackeux | mathias: it seems that my mtu is never correct. My problem is exactly that clampmss is suppose to fix but it isn't |
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| 22:21.13 | kimo | I dont have a LAN card, can I make a virtual ethX interface & assign many IPs to it? I am testing my network configuration skills on the single machine I have :( |
| 22:21.16 | le_mackeux | mathias: i've looked for tcp congestion, packet lost. there is nothing there |
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| 22:21.24 | le_mackeux | kino: yes |
| 22:21.28 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: i don't think it was me helping you with mtu, or i forgot it all |
| 22:21.49 | foolesswonder | Shuting down. |
| 22:21.51 | mathias64 | kimo: modprobe lo |
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| 22:22.08 | lekvar | FourierSeries: Did you ever get suspend to disk working? |
| 22:22.12 | kimo | mathias64, I already have lo 127.0.0.1 on .. |
| 22:22.13 | le_mackeux | mathias: i remember talking to you 2 days ago. well, maybe it was about a noob question on how to install debian without floppy or cd.. |
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| 22:23.01 | kimo | le_mackeux, so how do I do a virtual ethX interface please? |
| 22:23.08 | FourierSeries | lekvar: I think, IIRC, the only major change I made was adding "pre-up /etc/init.d/pcmcia start" to my /etc/network/interfaces" file. |
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| 22:23.19 | lordnazgul | anyone had any luck using bootsplash with etch. i had it working with sarge but it seems a no go with etch |
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| 22:23.22 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: that I remember better. i have never run into mtu problems, so I really can't say how to fix them. |
| 22:23.23 | FourierSeries | lekvar: needless to say my net card is a pcmcia card... |
| 22:23.24 | De_Mon | kimo ifconfig eth0:x 192.168.22.1 |
| 22:23.51 | De_Mon | :x <-- virtual interface |
| 22:24.02 | FourierSeries | lekvar: as for suspend, well no; but, I never tried. I suppose I should make it a project someday... |
| 22:24.08 | le_mackeux | kimo: simple setup. ifconfig eth0:0 ip netmask mask |
| 22:24.15 | kimo | De_Mon, do I have to change any ifcfg-eth?? files ? |
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| 22:24.27 | Gnea | kimo: it depends how 'virtual' you want the interface to be |
| 22:24.32 | mathias64 | kimo: there is no ifcfg-eth?? file in debian. |
| 22:24.33 | bonez39 | I don't want to run anything riskier than sarge...i.e., no testing, unstable or experimental.....if i install apt-secure, which requires a source which is 'experimental' do I risk any other packages by installing apt-secure? |
| 22:24.47 | lekvar | FourierSeries: do you have a hotplug mapping in "interfaces"? |
| 22:24.52 | le_mackeux | mathias: i think that was it. the non floppy nor cd bootable old computer |
| 22:25.02 | FourierSeries | lekvar: checking ... uh ... |
| 22:25.22 | mathias64 | le_mackeux: i think i remember that. so you did get it installed and now you're having network trouble. |
| 22:25.32 | le_mackeux | yes |
| 22:25.32 | FourierSeries | lekvar: nope. the only unusual command I added was "pre ..." |
| 22:25.41 | le_mackeux | mathias: with dsl problem.... sad |
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| 22:26.35 | le_mackeux | mathias: you don't know anyone that had dsl mtu related problem? |
| 22:26.58 | le_mackeux | i'm really out of rope. i tried many times here without any success |
| 22:27.09 | mmiikkee12 | i just apt-get installed firefox but it pops up a dialog for downloading any page i go to, any ideas? |
| 22:27.09 | abrotman | freaking use tab complete |
| 22:27.14 | silvinho | whats wrong le_mack |
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| 22:27.43 | mathias64 | i have never used dsl, unfortunately |
| 22:27.53 | mathias64 | maybe silvinho can help |
| 22:28.04 | le_mackeux | silvinho: i'm trying to fix a problem with my dsl that is soppose to be fix with enabling clampmss but i'm not having any king of result |
| 22:28.16 | lekvar | *gives it a whirl* |
| 22:28.40 | le_mackeux | mathias: tks again for your help last day with installing debian. i succeded |
| 22:29.04 | Gnea | le_mackeux: like this? iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -m tcpmss --mss 1400:1536 -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu |
| 22:29.08 | lekvar | hm, dmesg complaints about inability to synthesize hotplug events... wth is that all about |
| 22:29.16 | paulswm | !irritate abrotman |
| 22:29.16 | dpkg | abrotman: wenas how does I run teh grafixx windows lol |
| 22:29.18 | Azar | what kernel is a precompiled one under sarge for AMD Sempron 2800+ ? |
| 22:29.43 | Gnea | Azar: kernel-image-*-k7 |
| 22:29.58 | abrotman | no shit |
| 22:30.01 | Azar | thanks Gnea, isnt by chance a k8? just to make sure |
| 22:30.04 | abrotman | NO |
| 22:30.06 | FourierSeries | lekvar: can you post the dmesg somewhere? |
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| 22:30.23 | abrotman | Azar: why don't you try it and watch it throw up |
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| 22:30.28 | Gnea | Azar: k8 is 64bit. there are 2 levels of sempron, and 2800+ is the ceiling of 32bit |
| 22:30.30 | le_mackeux | Gnea: no. by enabling clampmss when setting up dsl connection with pppoeconf |
| 22:30.47 | Gnea | le_mackeux: right. |
| 22:30.52 | Azar | sorry abrotman, somehow the motherboard kit is for a 64bit, I thought |
| 22:30.52 | lekvar | FourierSeries: gimme a few. i have to boot the system in question, get it online, and install an irc client |
| 22:30.53 | Gnea | le_mackeux: i used to use that with dsl |
| 22:30.58 | Gnea | worked great |
| 22:31.03 | le_mackeux | :( |
| 22:31.11 | abrotman | Azar: fine .. install whatever you want |
| 22:31.20 | mmiikkee12 | i just apt-get installed firefox but it pops up a dialog for downloading any page i go to, any ideas? |
| 22:31.34 | le_mackeux | Gnea: is that line you pasted upward is what you're using now on? |
| 22:31.56 | Azar | abrotman, thank you just wanted to make sure on AMD Sempron 2800+/400FSB/256K CPU |
| 22:32.04 | Gnea | le_mackeux: it's what i used to use - make sure your mtu falls into that range, if it's not already fixed |
| 22:32.09 | Azar | k7 sounds wonderful for me |
| 22:32.34 | Gnea | Azar: are you sure it's a 32bit core? |
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| 22:32.58 | Azar | Gnea, I guess it should work on both and I prefer the 32bit |
| 22:33.11 | lekvar | Adding the pre-up line didn't help but i jus tried it blindly in a couple of spots instead of reading up on what i was doing first |
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| 22:33.14 | Azar | Gnea: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/configdetails.asp?Base=1273376&Edit=Y&LineGroup=2 |
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| 22:33.35 | le_mackeux | Gnea: emmm do i have to change something from the line you pasted here? for just copy-paste into my firewall script should be fine? |
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| 22:34.07 | FourierSeries | lekvar: my first line in interfaces is "auto eth0" the second line is: |
| 22:34.29 | FourierSeries | "iface eth0 inet static" the third line is the "pre ..." |
| 22:34.34 | lekvar | back in a moment |
| 22:34.42 | Gnea | le_mackeux: should be just fine, as long as it's eth0 that's bound to ppp0 via pppoe |
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| 22:34.59 | Gnea | le_mackeux: although you may want to change it to ppp0 |
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| 22:35.05 | silvinho | oy how can i burn dvds so a windows machine can read them, growisofs isn't working |
| 22:35.06 | paulswm | Azar: If it's a Socket-754 it is an Athlon 64 bit, but possibly with 64 bit functions disabled unless it's specifically branded as a Sempron 64 |
| 22:35.17 | lekvar | FourierSeries: I'm on from the thinkpad now. You were saying? |
| 22:35.22 | abrotman | Azar: JUST TRY IT! |
| 22:35.32 | FourierSeries | lekvar: my first line in interfaces is "auto eth0" the second line is: |
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| 22:35.36 | FourierSeries | "iface eth0 inet static" the third line is the "pre ..." |
| 22:35.37 | abrotman | Azar: there are three possibilities .. it works, it doesn't, it fries your hardware :) |
| 22:35.38 | Herr_maus | huhu |
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| 22:35.55 | le_mackeux | Gnea: i'll be right back. going to try that out. |
| 22:35.56 | Azar | thanks paulswm |
| 22:36.00 | lekvar | Isn't "/etc/network" deprecated now? What replaces it? |
| 22:36.00 | FourierSeries | lekvar: after that is the various ip settings, gateway, etc |
| 22:36.09 | paulswm | Azar: yw |
| 22:36.31 | mmiikkee12 | i just apt-get installed firefox but it pops up a dialog for downloading any page i go to, any ideas? |
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| 22:36.38 | FourierSeries | lekvar: good question. Am not sure off hand. |
| 22:36.48 | paulswm | !repeatbat |
| 22:36.48 | dpkg | *DONT REPEAT* *DONT REPEAT* *DONT REPEAT* |
| 22:37.07 | abrotman | may i suggest apt-get remove firefox |
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| 22:39.13 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: close firefox, move away your .mozilla, and open firefox back up again. |
| 22:39.23 | mmiikkee12 | ok thanks |
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| 22:39.57 | frodo | hello.. i need some help... how do i configure xfree? because i installed debian but it can't load x server properly |
| 22:40.01 | frodo | what can i do? |
| 22:40.03 | lekvar | abrotman: "firefox" is the 1.5 package that's still in unstable isn't it? |
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| 22:42.45 | mmiikkee12 | dondelelcaro, still doesn't work |
| 22:42.50 | frodo | please.. help.. i need to start x server |
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| 22:43.21 | mmiikkee12 | frodo: dpkg --reconfigure xserver-<whatever it's called now> |
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| 22:43.39 | frodo | doesn't work |
| 22:43.40 | Azar | ok pheeww, is a 32bit processor on a 64bit capable motherboard yee!! thanks guys |
| 22:43.54 | cmdKeen | frodo, and then i suggest some display manager (xdm, gdm, kdm... ) |
| 22:43.54 | mmiikkee12 | what did you type? |
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| 22:44.13 | cmdKeen | !drxx |
| 22:44.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:44.26 | paulswm | Azar: Yay! You could also use the 686 kernel incidentally, but that may hang on some mobos, I would stick with the k7 |
| 22:44.41 | MrBallZ | hi, i have an intel mobo with integrated video card, i just installed an Asus AGP 32MB card, and now when i boot Sarge, it goes to console, but if I look at the dmesg, agpgart still detects the intel agp card ... how can i detect the asus , its the one being used to see the monitor, so it is working ... |
| 22:44.44 | foolesswonder | Shuting down. |
| 22:44.44 | mmiikkee12 | yeah, i couldn't remember if it was xorg or xfree86 |
| 22:45.02 | Azar | paulswm, yes, I like stable, well tested hardware and conservative kernels |
| 22:45.05 | frodo | cmdkeen: i have gdm installed!! i think the problem is with the gdm configuration instead... |
| 22:45.14 | FourierSeries | lekvar: looks like I also hacked the bejessus out of my pcmcia startup script, to make it work "my way" as opposed to "the correct way." |
| 22:45.19 | cmdKeen | frodo, what happens after start ? |
| 22:45.26 | frodo | i see some lines |
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| 22:45.46 | cheal | mmiikkee12: which release do you use? |
| 22:45.55 | mmiikkee12 | cheal: testing |
| 22:45.58 | frodo | i don't see the gnome login screen... only a lot of lines |
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| 22:46.03 | paulswm | Azar: Yeah, me too, I am old and wise enough to let someone else test the 1.0 versions of stuff :) |
| 22:46.08 | FourierSeries | lekvar: you might want to ask the question again for someone else to take a shot at. My stuff is a bit of a mess... |
| 22:46.10 | octoberdan | Where is the list of packages to be installed by dpkg/ |
| 22:46.10 | cmdKeen | frodo, in text mode or graphical ? |
| 22:46.11 | octoberdan | ? |
| 22:46.18 | frodo | graphical mode |
| 22:46.20 | lekvar | FourierSeries: I'm trying to decipher the "corect way" instead of just chopping things up :-/ |
| 22:46.26 | cheal | mmiikkee12: did you check if others browsers, perhaps mozilla, do that too? |
| 22:46.31 | mmiikkee12 | um |
| 22:46.34 | mmiikkee12 | not yet |
| 22:46.49 | cmdKeen | frodo, oh... I saw that few hour ago:] what card do you have and what driver set ? |
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| 22:47.20 | frodo | cmdKeen: it's an intel 815 motherboard with video |
| 22:47.32 | paulswm | See you all, have a safe night |
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| 22:47.47 | foolesswonder | Shuting down. |
| 22:47.57 | cmdKeen | frodo, are you in sarge, etch or sid ? |
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| 22:48.04 | frodo | sarge |
| 22:48.22 | frodo | (i'm almost 100% it's sarge) |
| 22:48.23 | cmdKeen | frodo, so you are using xserver-xfree86, right ? |
| 22:48.31 | le_mackeux | Who was'I talking to 5 minuts ago? |
| 22:48.33 | frodo | yes.. xfree86 |
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| 22:48.40 | le_mackeux | about dsl and MTu problem |
| 22:48.50 | [Luc] | hello! |
| 22:48.52 | mmiikkee12 | cheal: i'm installing mozilla |
| 22:49.09 | cmdKeen | and when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root does it detect your card driver (intel?) |
| 22:49.13 | le_mackeux | Hi LuC: just ask your question |
| 22:49.31 | cheal | mmiikkee12: ok, I don't have much ideas, just thought testing that could help think about where the problem comes from |
| 22:49.39 | MrBallZ | any sugestions to my problem ... |
| 22:49.44 | hackdiablo | hi to all |
| 22:49.55 | foka | Hello all! |
| 22:50.00 | lekvar | FourierSeries: Incidentally which release are you using? |
| 22:50.04 | [Luc] | what is the command to restart the main configuration after the installation of debian |
| 22:50.21 | cmdKeen | [Luc], you mean base-config ? |
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| 22:50.28 | [Luc] | yes... thanks |
| 22:50.29 | foka | Is there a relevant channel in which I could ask about a Christmas song? (Or may I ask here? :-) |
| 22:50.29 | le_mackeux | Luc: you mean the one after the first reboot? |
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| 22:50.36 | FourierSeries | lekvar: 3.1 |
| 22:50.37 | [Luc] | exactly |
| 22:50.56 | cmdKeen | [Luc], you're welcome |
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| 22:51.21 | FourierSeries | lekvar: although this installation goes way back to the late debian 2.x series ... |
| 22:51.23 | mmiikkee12 | cheal, i can't install mozilla, apt is hanging |
| 22:51.28 | frodo | cmdKeen: i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and it asks me for the video card's bur identifier.. what's that? |
| 22:51.52 | ohad | i kno this is a dumb question, but how do i close those ports that i have open (ran nmap -v 127.0.0.1) and found that i have about 6 ports open. i tried to run update-inetd and also tried to look in inetd.conf and couldn't find any of these ports. |
| 22:51.57 | mmiikkee12 | frodo: try just leaving it at default |
| 22:51.57 | Azar | what for is the 2.6.8-2-k7-smp ? |
| 22:52.03 | FourierSeries | lekvar: and I rolled my own 2.6 kernel, so my installation is not exactly standard. |
| 22:52.04 | cmdKeen | frodo, when there is something you don;t understand, just leave default value |
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| 22:52.13 | dondelelcaro | ohad: run netstat -plunt; as root, and you'll see what is listening on those ports. |
| 22:52.17 | cheal | mmiikkee12: :| |
| 22:52.20 | lekvar | FourierSeries: that's a lot longer than i can stand not trying a fresh install :) |
| 22:52.37 | mmiikkee12 | hmm, what's this... |
| 22:52.44 | cheal | mmiikkee12: I'd certainly figure out that problem before the firefox one |
| 22:52.57 | mmiikkee12 | some package it can't find |
| 22:52.59 | mmiikkee12 | apparently |
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| 22:53.03 | cmdKeen | FourierSeries, own kernel... is there some... you know, speed increase ? |
| 22:53.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell mmiikkee12 -about bat |
| 22:53.17 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: follow those instructions, then. |
| 22:53.33 | mmiikkee12 | i tried to copy text... |
| 22:53.36 | ohad | dondelelcaro, i already know what is open. how do i close those ports to the outside? |
| 22:53.42 | mmiikkee12 | stupid terminal |
| 22:53.55 | hackdiablo | asd |
| 22:53.57 | [Luc] | -bash: base-config: command not found |
| 22:53.58 | FourierSeries | cmdKeen: probably; but, in my case much of the reason was for the learning value. Nothing wrong with stock kernels. |
| 22:54.06 | mmiikkee12 | trying |
| 22:54.07 | ohad | dondelelcaro, without the need for firewall. |
| 22:54.08 | lekvar | anywya thanks i'll have more time for this later |
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| 22:54.16 | [Luc] | thats what i get when i type base-config |
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| 22:54.29 | dondelelcaro | ohad: fix the configuration of those applications so that they're only bound to 127.0.0.1 instead of 0.0.0.0 |
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| 22:54.41 | dondelelcaro | ohad: assuming you even need whatever they are. |
| 22:55.09 | ohad | dondelelcaro, hmm..i guess i don't really need all those.. |
| 22:55.20 | thingfish | [Luc]: as root? |
| 22:55.35 | frodo | cmdKeen: i finished the configuration and i get the same lines |
| 22:55.37 | [Luc] | oh as rooT?? |
| 22:55.43 | [Luc] | okay... one more try |
| 22:55.46 | [Luc] | thanky |
| 22:56.27 | [Luc] | okay.. that was the problem... |
| 22:56.36 | [Luc] | 1 more try ;) |
| 22:56.48 | cmdKeen | what video driver did you set ? |
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| 22:57.09 | Eulex | !repeatbat |
| 22:57.09 | dpkg | *DONT REPEAT* *DONT REPEAT* *DONT REPEAT* |
| 22:57.11 | cmdKeen | frodo, what video driver did you set ? |
| 22:57.14 | Eulex | umh |
| 22:57.31 | Eulex | !tel [Luc] about enter |
| 22:57.34 | frodo | cmdKeen: i didn't have a chance to choose the driver |
| 22:57.34 | hackdiablo | do you know a server for crackers ? |
| 22:57.42 | DonVincenzo | Do anybody here is using is using gtkpod ? |
| 22:58.08 | webfreak | did anyone understand a word of that? |
| 22:58.30 | ohad | is it possible to encrypt my entire wireless session? (not only using vpn) |
| 22:58.43 | cmdKeen | frodo, no ?! strange... what does 'grep Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' says ? |
| 22:58.44 | close_to_debian | Does mailscanner check outgoing mails |
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| 22:59.39 | frodo | cmdKeen: yeah sorry.. i chosed VESA |
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| 23:00.58 | frodo | cmdKeen: it says VESA |
| 23:01.02 | cmdKeen | frodo, when I am doom I always run back for vesa:] well if that doesn't work for you... have you tryied intel driver ? Try it and when it doesn't work, google something specific about your card. |
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| 23:01.47 | close_to_debian | Does mailscanner check outgoing mails |
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| 23:02.21 | [Luc] | Eulex ?? |
| 23:02.24 | ArabianMystic | How would one setup their sound-card in Debian? |
| 23:02.31 | foolesswonder | Shuting down. |
| 23:02.33 | [Luc] | sorry i was in an other room |
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| 23:03.24 | mmiikkee12 | how do you copy text from a xfterm4 terminal? |
| 23:03.26 | frodo | cmdKeen: ok.. i'll try that.. thanks cmdKeen |
| 23:03.28 | ArabianMystic | I'm trying to setup my soundcard in debian but I have no idea what to do. |
| 23:04.07 | cmdKeen | frodo, glad to 'help' ;) |
| 23:04.37 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, oh... have you ALSA installed ? |
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| 23:05.15 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, I'm not sure... it's an onboard (as it's a laptop computer) |
| 23:05.18 | Azar | installed 2.6.8 for k7, updated lilo.conf, ran /sbin/lilo and rebooted: I got a Kernel panic: /sbin/init: 432 : cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! help please |
| 23:05.34 | MrBallZ | I have an intel 845G mobo, w/integrated video card, i just installed an ASUS AGP card, but kernel 2.6.8-2 keeps detecting as agp the intel integrated, even when the monitor is attached to the asus card, what can i do ... |
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| 23:06.09 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, what shall I do? |
| 23:06.20 | thingfish | MrBallZ: have you tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and choosing the new card? |
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| 23:06.38 | thingfish | well, I mean choosing the appropriate driver for the new card. |
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| 23:06.52 | danielsan | MrBallZ: Have turned off onboard video card in bios? |
| 23:07.25 | ArabianMystic | *sigh* Please offer your guidance, dear friends... I am lost on this lonely path. |
| 23:07.27 | bizkit | MrBallZ: why should'nt it detect both cards? you have to choose one in your xconfig |
| 23:07.28 | kjdis | I have a wireless bridge that provides a standard ethernet connection connected to a debian box, and it works, but after awhile the interface just goes down and I can't bring it back up, however at any time I can hook up my Windows laptop and it works fine, anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:07.38 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, 'apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils' and try running alsaconf as root |
| 23:07.44 | Azar | so there is nothing to fix that? maybe only reinstall ? |
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| 23:08.03 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, I am unsure of whether I have an alsa chipset though, does that matter? |
| 23:08.21 | bizkit | ArabianMystic: you should find out which soundcard you have, thats the first step. watch the ouput of lspci |
| 23:08.46 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, ALSA = Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, most of today soundacrds are supported |
| 23:08.50 | MrBallZ | bizkit: agpgart detects the Intel card ( integrated ) , and the asus isn't detected, even though it's being used ... |
| 23:09.24 | bizkit | MrBallZ: what chip is on your new card? nvidia? |
| 23:09.31 | MrBallZ | bizkit: yees |
| 23:09.33 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, that apt-get statement you gave me doesn't work... |
| 23:09.41 | MrBallZ | what i need is the dam bus identifier .... |
| 23:10.03 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, huh ? what does it say ? |
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| 23:10.11 | bizkit | MrBallZ: then you don't need agpgart, you can use the one included within the nvidia drivers |
| 23:10.38 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, forgiive me, when i pasted that into the terminal the "s" wass cut off of "utils" - it is working fine now. |
| 23:10.43 | MrBallZ | bizkit: btw im using Xorg , in Sarge ... |
| 23:10.56 | bizkit | MrBallZ: it's just up to your xorg/xfree86 config file |
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| 23:11.02 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, ok, now try running 'alsaconf' as root |
| 23:11.05 | Azar | installed 2.6.8 for k7, updated lilo.conf, ran /sbin/lilo and rebooted: I got a Kernel panic: /sbin/init: 432 : cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! help please |
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| 23:11.29 | bizkit | MrBallZ: you should read the docs from the nvidia driver, they are very helpful on setting your xconfig up |
| 23:11.30 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, we shall wait until the query has finished executing. |
| 23:11.35 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, it is done. |
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| 23:11.48 | cmdKeen | did it found your card ? |
| 23:12.09 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, it says "No supported card found" |
| 23:12.12 | kingsley | Azar: Have you searched Google's web and usenet archives for the error message? |
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| 23:12.35 | Azar | kingsley, no it is the first time I have a precompiled Sarge kernel borking like that |
| 23:12.42 | Azar | I thought someone would know wh |
| 23:12.44 | Azar | y |
| 23:13.02 | bizkit | MrBallZ: the important setting you're looking for is BusID "PCI:1:0:0" and set the busid of your new card there. you can get the bus id from the lspci output |
| 23:13.23 | kingsley | Azar: I recommend searching Google's web and usenet archives for the error message. |
| 23:13.28 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, Regardless of what I do with alsa it cannot find the card... |
| 23:13.31 | bizkit | Herr_maus: thanks |
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| 23:13.34 | Azar | before new kernel , on 2.4 my HD was listed as a "hde" , now after upgrading kernel, at boot up I see "hda" might this be the reason? |
| 23:13.54 | Azar | well I can reinstall, it could go faster than that |
| 23:14.01 | bizkit | ArabianMystic: do you have a custom kernel? |
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| 23:14.04 | MrBallZ | bizkit: ill do that ... |
| 23:14.13 | ArabianMystic | bizkit, no I don't. |
| 23:14.16 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, oh:-/ That always worked for me... Try OSS then, but i don't know anything about it, as I said alsa always worked for me. I Sugest some STFW;) |
| 23:14.36 | ArabianMystic | STFW? |
| 23:14.43 | cmdKeen | !stfw |
| 23:14.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 23:14.52 | bizkit | ArabianMystic: you should look on the alsa page if your chip is supported |
| 23:14.59 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, :( |
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| 23:15.55 | kingsley | Azar: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_qdr=all&q=%22%2Fsbin%2Finit%3A+432+%3A+cannot+open+dev%2Fconsole%22 |
| 23:16.01 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:16.10 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, I'd really like to help, but... Google is your friend, really. |
| 23:16.11 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, I am hurt. Why do you Western folk use such pointed language? |
| 23:16.16 | bizkit | Azar: you somehow messed up your root filesystem or your mountpoints |
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| 23:16.20 | spenser | is it still possible to start a net install of debian from floppies or do you have to use a cd now? |
| 23:17.04 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, I am more Eastern than than Western folk, I am forced to use it;) |
| 23:17.33 | ArabianMystic | cmdKeen, As am I, Brother. In any case, thank you for your help. |
| 23:17.53 | Coweater | spenser: cd's as far as i could figure out, you can still do woody (3.0) from floppy and then upgrade |
| 23:18.22 | spenser | Coweater, thanks. i'll see if i can find those images |
| 23:18.28 | blondie | floppy disks.... PAIN |
| 23:18.34 | cmdKeen | ArabianMystic, you're welcome |
| 23:18.42 | spenser | blondie, i don't have a cd-rom in my sparc10 |
| 23:19.08 | mathias64 | spenser: read chapter 4 of the install manual. |
| 23:19.08 | blondie | spenser: be prepared for lots of hair-pulling is all I can say :P |
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| 23:19.42 | Coweater | spenser: try to find an old scsi external if you can, it's a lot easier |
| 23:20.04 | spenser | yeah, it's not worth it to sink any money into it |
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| 23:20.16 | Coweater | they're handy to have around sometimes anyhow :) |
| 23:20.24 | mathias64 | spenser: you can get floppies for sarge, as you would know if you had rtfim |
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| 23:20.35 | Magical | Hey guys, what would be the best video card I could get for $200 that works with debian? |
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| 23:20.42 | spenser | for some reason openbsd floppies won't boot on it so i thought i'd try debian. if that doesn't work then booting from a cd probably wouldn't help either. |
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| 23:21.09 | zinx | Magical: some nVidia card |
| 23:21.13 | spenser | mathias64, i tend not to read manuals for linux installs since i have done so many. |
| 23:21.32 | mathias64 | spenser: did you look in the download area on the server for floppies? |
| 23:21.44 | spenser | thats where i am grabbing them from now |
| 23:22.05 | beginer | i just install debian... i set eth0 but after restart, i need to configure again... what must i do to configure at boot time? |
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| 23:22.46 | Magical | SOrry about that, did anyone answer? |
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| 23:24.15 | beginer | i just install debian... i set eth0 but after restart i need to configure again... what must i do to remain configure after restart? |
| 23:24.20 | ThreeDayMonk | My postfix install seems weirdly broken (postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory). How would I bring it back to a stock configuration? |
| 23:24.34 | silvinho | beginer: configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:24.36 | Coweater | beginer: don't repeat, edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:24.39 | ArabianMystic | What command do you use to see what soundcard is running? |
| 23:24.46 | silvinho | ThreeDayMonk: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 23:24.49 | cheal | beginer: which release? |
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| 23:25.32 | ThreeDayMonk | silvinho: I tried that, even with --force; it still doesn't work (and I'm puzzled as to how short main.cf is compared to last time I installed) |
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| 23:25.46 | beginer | i don't repeat... i reformulate... sorry... tnx |
| 23:25.48 | b14ck | Is there a command I can use to get the debian source tree in /usr/src? Like an apt-get command? |
| 23:25.57 | b14ck | apt-get sys-course or somethign would be ince |
| 23:26.07 | ArabianMystic | I am looking for the command that is used to see what soundcard is running - any idea what that may be? |
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| 23:27.58 | Azar | googling it seems like nobody with a similar problem could fix it |
| 23:28.13 | Azar | so only Woody with 2.4 kernel can work on this new PC :( |
| 23:28.17 | Azar | I need an older PC |
| 23:28.26 | Azar | what a shame |
| 23:29.27 | multi_io | why is it that pressing "=" on "All Packages" on dselect does *not* set all packages on "hold"? |
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| 23:30.06 | mathias64 | azar, new hardware has always been a pain |
| 23:30.08 | Moeen | Application forms in gnome can't move upper than screen ! can I disable this feature ? |
| 23:30.10 | b14ck | Can someone help me get the debian source tree? |
| 23:30.12 | Azar | Woody names my HD "hde" on 2.4 kernel, kernel 2.6 renames it again to "hda" wtf? |
| 23:30.28 | mathias64 | b14ck: there is no unified source tree. |
| 23:30.34 | Azar | IDE Ultra ATA HD with a SATA controller |
| 23:30.38 | Azar | it figures |
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| 23:31.12 | mathias64 | azar: my sata drive is also hda in 2.6. maybe 2.4 finds some other controllers and thus puts the sata as the third controller |
| 23:31.19 | Azar | not to mention the Sarge installer CD for Debian 3.1 is not even seen by the PC |
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| 23:31.25 | Azar | "no bootable CD" |
| 23:31.45 | mathias64 | azar: actually my sata drive is SDA not HDA. |
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| 23:32.13 | Azar | mathias64, my HD is a IDE, not a sata, but the controller is a SATA |
| 23:32.30 | Eludias | Should Java work on Deer Park (Firefox 1.5)? I can't get it working... |
| 23:32.49 | Azar | someone writes: The problem you see with the 2.6 kernel may be due to the change in names of the devices between 2.4 and 2.6. " |
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| 23:33.08 | Moeen | Azar, you can disable it in your Motherboard Setup. (In my Motherboard it has something called "Compatible Mode" that I use) |
| 23:33.16 | Azar | Moeen, go to a chat room do not pm or CTCP me please |
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| 23:33.47 | Azar | well ok |
| 23:33.58 | Azar | I will reinstall, maybe I get lucky second time |
| 23:34.29 | mathias64 | azar i agree that disabling the sata controller if it is unused can only help. |
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| 23:34.50 | Azar | mathias64 I have no idea how |
| 23:35.10 | Azar | I assume the HD depends on that controller, heck I dunno |
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| 23:35.43 | Azar | the issue lays on Woody installation naming the HD "hde" I never seen that before |
| 23:35.54 | Azar | "hda" is allways what I get on my older computers |
| 23:35.58 | mathias64 | azar, hde is the name for the first drive on the third controller |
| 23:36.08 | zinx | Azar: probably SATA |
| 23:36.24 | Azar | hmm they switched the drives now? interesting |
| 23:36.30 | zinx | no |
| 23:36.39 | zinx | your hard drive is connected to a different spot now :P |
| 23:37.19 | Azar | yep I noticed, this new PC looks strange, HD is hidden inside somewhere, not accessible by the front panel |
| 23:37.23 | mathias64 | azar, is your HD on a regular ide cable or a small round cable? |
| 23:37.50 | Azar | mathias64 I did not opened it yet, just arrived yesterday and installed Woody/Sarge in it |
| 23:37.54 | zinx | the front panel? o_O |
| 23:38.03 | Azar | today was on Sarge with 2.4 |
| 23:38.12 | mathias64 | never mind. |
| 23:38.18 | zinx | i think your old PC may have looked strange :) |
| 23:38.19 | Azar | so all I did I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.8 |
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| 23:39.05 | Azar | zinx, my other 2 PCs have HD on swappable racks, meaning I access them on the front panel |
| 23:39.16 | gonnet | do you know wether they will make SATA recognized during the installation soon or not ? |
| 23:39.22 | Azar | this one has only CDRW and floppy visible |
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| 23:39.47 | mathias64 | gonnet: it's a question of getting the drivers into the kernel. they are in newer 2.6 kernels but not older kernels. |
| 23:40.29 | gonnet | you mean they are in 2.6.15 ? |
| 23:41.02 | mathias64 | some sata drivers are in 2.6.12 maybe even 2.6.10 for all i know. certainly 2.6.12 and 2.6.14, depending on the sata controller |
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| 23:43.37 | blabla | LIST #debian |
| 23:43.37 | cheal | well, there are SATA drivers in 2.6.8 |
| 23:43.49 | blabla | LIST |
| 23:44.04 | cheal | blabla: /msg chanserv list #debian* |
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| 23:45.10 | gonnet | so if they seem to already be in the kernel, why aren't they already recoknized during the installation? |
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| 23:46.14 | cheal | gonnet: what "they" do you talk about exactly? |
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| 23:47.23 | FourierSeries | gonnet: the SATA drivers / modules? |
| 23:47.36 | gonnet | SATA drivers |
| 23:47.47 | gonnet | if i understood what you told me |
| 23:47.54 | mathias64 | my sata drivers worked perfectly well at installation |
| 23:48.31 | Eulex | gonnet, tried both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
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| 23:48.59 | gonnet | i tried installing directly a 2.6 kernel, it failes |
| 23:49.03 | gonnet | s/s/d/ |
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| 23:49.15 | gonnet | so i had to install a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:49.24 | gonnet | and then to upgrade to a 2.6 ... |
| 23:49.26 | Azar | mmm i should have ran modconf before reboot |
| 23:49.49 | Eulex | gonnet, ah. have you tried a >= 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 23:50.01 | mathias64 | gonnet, i loaded 2.6 right away. it all depends on exactly which sata controller you have |
| 23:50.10 | gonnet | i think that was a 2.6.12 net install CD |
| 23:50.21 | b14ck | Is there a command to get *ALL* the system source? |
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| 23:50.36 | mathias64 | b14ck no thre isn't |
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| 23:50.50 | b14ck | What about the source for all packages? |
| 23:50.54 | bluefox83 | i seem to have lost my icon for mozilla-firefox..anyone know how to find it again? |
| 23:50.55 | b14ck | Like I can do: apt-get source <nmap> |
| 23:51.00 | Eulex | gonnet, umh, the sarge netinstall has a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 23:51.05 | b14ck | And it will fetch the nmap source. |
| 23:51.08 | b14ck | Can I do that with *everything*? |
| 23:51.16 | cheal | bluefox83: dpkg -L mozilla-firefox ? |
| 23:51.20 | gonnet | hum you must be right sorry |
| 23:51.52 | cheal | b14ck: apt-get source foo |
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| 23:52.05 | bluefox83 | cheal, doesn't show any icon files :/ |
| 23:52.29 | Eulex | gonnet, in my experience, a new kernel will solve lots of sata problems |
| 23:52.44 | b14ck | cheal, any idea how much space that would take up? |
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| 23:52.45 | mathias64 | eulex, he might have an amd64 net install disk with a 2.6.12 kernel. i had one when i installed. he hasn't given us any arch info |
| 23:52.46 | cheal | bluefox83: dpkg -L mozilla-firefox|grep xpm |
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| 23:52.53 | Eulex | b14ck, hmm. I did apt-get source * and it segfaulted (!?) |
| 23:52.57 | Eulex | mathias64, ah, true |
| 23:53.04 | bluefox83 | cheal, there were no xpm entries.. |
| 23:53.04 | cheal | b14ck: depends on which package |
| 23:53.11 | cheal | bluefox83: which release |
| 23:53.16 | gonnet | well, all those who bought the same PC as mine had the same problem, we all had to first install a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:53.22 | b14ck | cheal... I want all packages |
| 23:53.29 | bluefox83 | cheal, latest in unstable |
| 23:53.30 | Eulex | b14ck, what pc and chipset? |
| 23:53.38 | MrBallZ | i cant isntall the nvidia drivers, because theres no nvidia.ko in my kernel files .... how can i get it ... |
| 23:53.44 | cheal | gonnet: that's possible |
| 23:53.50 | b14ck | i386 p3 |
| 23:53.53 | mathias64 | b14ck: thre is no trivial command to download the source for all the packages. you can get it off the ftp server by hand. |
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| 23:54.09 | Eulex | bluefox83, dpkg -L firefox|grep png? |
| 23:54.15 | cheal | b14ck: I can't figure out quickly how to do that easily |
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| 23:54.26 | cheal | bluefox83: bugs.debian.org |
| 23:54.35 | gonnet | anyway i was just asking if something was to be made, you answered to my question so i won't annoy you anymore with this thks |
| 23:54.41 | Eulex | !tell MrBallZ about nvidia one liner |
| 23:55.01 | b14ck | cheal. is there a command that lists all the packages available? |
| 23:55.02 | bluefox83 | Eulex, also no results |
| 23:55.04 | cheal | !tell MrBallZ about nvidia-howto |
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| 23:55.22 | b14ck | cheal, i could do a quick script if i had that. |
| 23:55.33 | b14ck | for i in `some command`; do apt-get source $i; done |
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| 23:55.37 | cheal | b14ck: including those which aren't installed, right? |
| 23:55.38 | Eulex | bluefox83, grep svg then? |
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| 23:55.48 | b14ck | ya |
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| 23:55.56 | bluefox83 | Eulex, same |
| 23:56.08 | Eulex | gonnet, what pc and chipset? (sorry, misdirected my anser to b14ck...) |
| 23:56.35 | cheal | b14ck: what are you trying to do? maybe there's a better way to do it than that |
| 23:56.44 | nitinshantharam | hey guys, the installer is freezing loading the sd_mod scsi module at the beginning of the installer i have a ide drive as my primary and i have a scsi pci card with a 300gb drive as my secondary |
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| 23:57.29 | b14ck | cheal, download the source of *all* cebian packages |
| 23:57.49 | bbrazil | b14ck: there should be source CDs |
| 23:58.15 | b14ck | i dont want a cd |
| 23:58.20 | b14ck | i want to download it |
| 23:59.02 | MrBallZ | wich are some of the contrib and non free sources that i can put in my apt list ... ? |
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| 23:59.14 | bbrazil | b14ck: thats what I meant |
