| 00:00.20 | mathias64 | nei: no. the docs imply it is a handle to the server, but i don't believe it |
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| 00:04.15 | Azar | I got 14 CDs for Sarge, is CD1 the one that has the installer? |
| 00:04.30 | scytheman_ | yes |
| 00:04.36 | Azar | thanks |
| 00:04.36 | MrBallZ | wich are the 2 main debian mirrors ... i have many lines in my apt ... mostly security ... |
| 00:04.42 | scytheman_ | only one cd is needed to install sarge |
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| 00:06.47 | maxb | DVDs are definitely nicer if you have the drive. Far less disc swapping |
| 00:06.50 | Azar | ok guys I found out what was going on, on the BIOS , SATA mode was ENABLED, even tho I had an IDE HD, I disabled it and now the Sarge installer works. |
| 00:06.55 | chealer | MrBallZ: there are no 2 main debian mirrors |
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| 00:07.39 | I | will it hurt a computer to leave it out in freezing weather overnight |
| 00:08.06 | zinx | how freezing? |
| 00:08.15 | I | 30s |
| 00:08.21 | zinx | farenheit? |
| 00:08.24 | I | yes |
| 00:08.28 | zinx | probably not |
| 00:08.31 | chealer | l: as long as it doesn't have windows, it shouldn't be too bad |
| 00:08.32 | zinx | unless there's humidity |
| 00:08.36 | I | ok, ty |
| 00:08.48 | zinx | if there's any humidity, you're on your own ;) |
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| 00:08.57 | I | in a car, doubt it |
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| 00:09.14 | Azar | ok that sucks it configures DHCP for me WHY OH WHY? |
| 00:09.20 | Azar | this is asinine |
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| 00:10.38 | chealer | b14ck: what do you want to do with those sources? |
| 00:11.05 | b14ck | Mirror |
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| 00:12.02 | qwerty | hello all |
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| 00:13.07 | qwerty | hello everybody |
| 00:13.52 | qwerty | hello... |
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| 00:14.38 | bluefox83 | ok, where does mozilla-firefox usually store icons? |
| 00:14.39 | streuner | :-) |
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| 00:14.48 | abrotman | bluefox83: dpkg -L mozilla-firefox |
| 00:14.58 | bluefox83 | abrotman, that's not what i asked |
| 00:15.13 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i already said i have no icons in that |
| 00:15.25 | abrotman | bluefox83: did you see me just join ? |
| 00:15.36 | abrotman | bluefox83: i gave you a way to answer the question i saw you ask |
| 00:15.36 | bluefox83 | abrotman, nope, sorry |
| 00:15.53 | bluefox83 | abrotman, but thanks for trying |
| 00:15.59 | abrotman | which icons ? |
| 00:16.10 | qwerty | what linux distro do you guys suggest, right now i have slack 9 |
| 00:16.14 | bluefox83 | the one for standard toolbars |
| 00:16.20 | abrotman | qwerty: you're in #debian .. we'll suggest debian :) |
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| 00:16.38 | qwerty | okay, but any others |
| 00:16.48 | bluefox83 | i'm using icewm as my wm, and it's not loading my mozilla icons |
| 00:16.55 | bluefox83 | i even downloaded some :( |
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| 00:17.04 | orchid | there are other distros? |
| 00:17.14 | abrotman | bluefox83: did you install mozilla-firefox via apt-get ? |
| 00:17.15 | qwerty | what is good about debian that convinces you to like it |
| 00:17.21 | bluefox83 | abrotman, yeah |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | bluefox83: using etch/sid ? |
| 00:17.30 | streuner | qwerty: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 00:17.48 | abrotman | bluefox83: and you did check the bts ? |
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| 00:18.02 | qwerty | what? |
| 00:18.09 | abrotman | !tell qwerty about why debian |
| 00:18.12 | Azar | guys I am completely lost in this new partition menu of Sarge installer, is there a help on it? |
| 00:18.21 | bluefox83 | no, i dunno how to use it, and really don't need to, i'm trying to assign icons... |
| 00:18.22 | abrotman | Azar: nothing in the install guide ? |
| 00:18.24 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:18.24 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 00:18.36 | abrotman | bluefox83: you don't know how to use the bts ? |
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| 00:18.57 | bluefox83 | abrotman, only ever LOOKED at it once, i've never even tried to use it |
| 00:19.05 | abrotman | bluefox83: but you run unstable ? |
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| 00:19.15 | bluefox83 | abrotman, yeah |
| 00:19.16 | qwerty | so... |
| 00:19.18 | abrotman | bluefox83: http://bugs.debian.org/mozilla-firefox |
| 00:19.24 | Azar | thanks abrotman, it gonna take a while hehe, this new partition menu is eghhh hmm strange |
| 00:19.43 | abrotman | Azar: yeah .. especially if you're trying lvm :) |
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| 00:20.26 | qwerty | abrotman: what is good about debian |
| 00:20.30 | Azar | ouch that is too bad.. I am installing over the previous Woody/Sarge and it says: this installer does not allow you to install over an existing GNU/Linux system overwriting system files ? |
| 00:20.50 | abrotman | qwerty: everything! |
| 00:20.53 | mathias64 | azar: you have to make a new filesystem. |
| 00:20.59 | bluefox83 | qwerty, everything is good about debian |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | bluefox83: alternately .. bugs.debian.org/firefox |
| 00:21.04 | Azar | ah cool |
| 00:21.10 | Azar | ok I hope I don't get grub |
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| 00:21.45 | abrotman | bluefox83: also .. dpkg -l firefox .. which version are you using ? |
| 00:21.46 | look | fuck! i accidentally chmodded /etc to o= :( does someone know what files _need_ to be world readable? |
| 00:21.52 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i don't think it's a bug, i think mozilla intentionally didn't package icons because their website has special icons to pick and choose from now |
| 00:22.03 | I__ | qwerty: secure (updated almost daily), easy to use, easy installer, very stable, if you can think of something debian is good at it |
| 00:22.04 | streuner | qwerty: why not just try it? (/msg dpkg ig) for install instructions |
| 00:22.13 | streuner | !ig |
| 00:22.14 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 00:22.23 | orchid | qwerty: and read http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 00:22.29 | abrotman | look: probably a large number of them |
| 00:22.33 | bluefox83 | abrotman, 1.5.dfsg-2 |
| 00:22.39 | abrotman | bluefox83: ok .. just making sure |
| 00:22.42 | look | abrotman, shit :( |
| 00:22.43 | I__ | qwerty: anythings supported, very cool apt system |
| 00:23.03 | FourierSeries | qwerty: I like that the configuration, and general feel, does not change too radically between versions. |
| 00:23.03 | bluefox83 | abrotman, having trouble getting icewm to assign a new icon for it..i don't think it's a firefox problem |
| 00:23.04 | Azar | partition table type? I do not see "linux" there |
| 00:23.08 | I__ | i was amazed the first time i did apt-get upgrade |
| 00:23.12 | Azar | bsd? |
| 00:23.13 | abrotman | look: is it just your workstation ? |
| 00:23.27 | abrotman | Azar: ext3? |
| 00:23.34 | Azar | abrotman, it is not shown |
| 00:23.39 | qwerty | what is the big picture of linux about any ways |
| 00:23.42 | I__ | not bsd, ex3 or journal mabye |
| 00:23.59 | Azar | only bsd, gpt, mac, dvh, msdos, pc98, s390, sun, amiga and loop |
| 00:24.07 | Azar | is the Partition disks menu |
| 00:24.13 | Azar | wtf |
| 00:24.18 | abrotman | bluefox83: you could ask on irc.mozilla.org .. maybe someone there might know |
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| 00:24.43 | bluefox83 | abrotman, silent as the night |
| 00:24.46 | abrotman | Azar: wtf did you do to the installer ? |
| 00:24.57 | Azar | I have no choice of linux, ext2 or ext3, nothing |
| 00:25.17 | I__ | none of those are really what you want |
| 00:25.18 | abrotman | Azar: are you using the ncurses thingie ? |
| 00:25.34 | Azar | abrotman, I do a fresh install from the CD, the Sarge CD |
| 00:25.58 | streuner | qwerty: pingoin? |
| 00:26.10 | Azar | I pick the HD IDE1 master (hda) to partition and it gives me a list to pick for the type |
| 00:26.15 | Azar | there is no linux there |
| 00:26.15 | streuner | !spell pingoin |
| 00:26.17 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 00:26.21 | Azar | its so crazy |
| 00:26.29 | abrotman | Azar: is anything else on the HDD ? |
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| 00:26.37 | abrotman | penguin ? |
| 00:27.00 | streuner | yes |
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| 00:27.17 | streuner | qwerty: are you talking about the nice penguin? |
| 00:27.26 | Azar | abrotman, I have erased all previous partitions |
| 00:27.31 | Azar | I pick the HD to partition |
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| 00:27.44 | Azar | and there is not "select the type of partition" for linux |
| 00:27.48 | abrotman | Azar: so why not let the installer just partition it for you ? |
| 00:27.49 | Azar | crazy |
| 00:28.11 | Eulex | Azar, there is. |
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| 00:28.32 | qwerty | im talking about linux |
| 00:28.33 | Azar | ok what it is Configure Software RAID? |
| 00:28.47 | Azar | Eulex I SWEAR there is no linux in the list |
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| 00:28.55 | _joey | could someone point to a site to check on AMD 64 processors benchmarks please. I want to compare amd 64 manchester core 3800+ (dual core) and amd 64 san diego 4000+ (single core) |
| 00:29.04 | relic | soft/onboard raid is crap |
| 00:29.05 | I__ | mabye it scrolls down |
| 00:29.10 | Azar | sigh gonna look more on manuals |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | _joey: spec.org |
| 00:29.17 | streuner | qwerty: big picture = big penguin? |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | _joey: maybe .. otherwise .. ask #hardware for some site .. |
| 00:29.49 | Azar | man, I swear, the old Woody installer is 10 times easier |
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| 00:29.54 | qwerty | no, i meant what is sooo good about linux anywayz, im just wondering |
| 00:29.56 | abrotman | Azar: you're crazy :) |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | qwerty: you use slack don't you ? |
| 00:30.05 | Eulex | Azar, umh? partitions are named after the file system, not the OS |
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| 00:30.13 | I__ | Azar: abrotman hasn't left this chat in 20 years, he knows more than you do |
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| 00:30.19 | streuner | qwerty: just try it |
| 00:30.34 | qwerty | yeah a lil bit |
| 00:30.44 | mathias64 | qwerty: there's nothing good about it, it's awful. |
| 00:30.45 | abrotman | I__: how do you know ? |
| 00:30.51 | Azar | ok there is one line there saying Configure software RAID: what is that? |
| 00:31.06 | mathias64 | three guesses |
| 00:31.07 | relic | crap |
| 00:31.11 | I__ | i've just never been on when you havn't :) |
| 00:31.25 | abrotman | I__: do you have another nick ? |
| 00:31.37 | I__ | many |
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| 00:31.48 | abrotman | I__: i've never seen I__ as a nick in here before |
| 00:31.51 | relic | like the 'one cpu with one kind of ram' |
| 00:32.08 | I__ | i just made it because i got kicked for 'nick collisions' |
| 00:32.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok .. what now ? |
| 00:32.16 | abrotman | I__: that doesn't help me :) |
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| 00:33.10 | qwerty | is there anywhere where there are debians screen shot |
| 00:33.24 | abrotman | qwerty: it looks like every other linux |
| 00:33.38 | dvsdude | hey all looking at setting up a linux system whiich would be most stable for running mplayer and mencoder |
| 00:33.43 | mathias64 | qwerty: there's not ``a'' debian. you pick what you want to install. |
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| 00:34.00 | streuner | qwerty: http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&q=debian%20screenshot&btnG=Google-Suche&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 00:34.16 | mathias64 | dvsdude: so do it. |
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| 00:36.20 | mathias64 | .. |
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| 00:38.07 | thegraham | i've just upgraded to testing and spamassassin has stopped working... I get the message : "SA: Action: spamd took more than 240 secs to run, accepting message" |
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| 00:41.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: that game is .. not so good |
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| 00:43.22 | Lilldude10 | 1800 amd 256 ram thats is my xmas gift |
| 00:43.25 | Lilldude10 | deb os |
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| 00:46.32 | RainbowW | is it customary in common programmer understanding that && represents an anded search, eg search for X AND Y, if i'm writing a functionality specification doc for a programmer? |
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| 00:47.00 | Azar | that's a negative point: when reinstalling you have to repartition and initialize all over again. Plus the partitioning menu is so confusing. |
| 00:47.30 | Azar | on Woody you can reinitialize over existing partitions, as easy .. |
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| 00:47.35 | [Luc] | hello |
| 00:47.39 | mathias64 | azar: to be fair, you should never have to reinstall, so it is a one time affair |
| 00:47.50 | silvinho | RainbowW: eh fairly |
| 00:47.58 | thegraham | RainbowW : erm, && is AND || is OR in general yeah |
| 00:48.06 | Azar | mathias64, the kernel will panik, I was rendered with an unusable system |
| 00:48.24 | Azar | even tho I changed the BIOS settings to disable SATA, the system will still choke |
| 00:48.27 | thegraham | did anyone have any ideas about SA timing out? |
| 00:48.39 | [Luc] | i endet the basic-confic of debian a few minutes ago but i dont know what to do now... now there is my User shown but nothing else |
| 00:48.50 | Azar | kernel crash at bootup |
| 00:49.00 | [Luc] | what do i have to do? |
| 00:49.02 | Azar | my old PCs never experienced that |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | !tell Azar about ig |
| 00:49.10 | mathias64 | so this is really a first install, the second try. once you get it actually working, the chance you need to reinstall it is almost zero |
| 00:49.27 | Azar | thanks abrotman :) |
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| 00:49.38 | abrotman | [Luc]: what do you want to do ? |
| 00:49.45 | nitinshantharam | hey guys, i jsut attached a new sata disk and i think linux mounted it to /dev/sda , how do i check ? |
| 00:49.49 | mathias64 | thegrahan: run spamassasin -D --lint and see if it hangs. If that works, run a real message through spamassassin -D and see what happens |
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| 00:50.06 | mathias64 | nitinshantharam, you use dmesg |
| 00:50.08 | botsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.09 | [Luc] | i just want to start debian but after the install i dont know what to do |
| 00:50.21 | Azar | isnt' sda for scsi ? |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | [Luc]: what would you like to do ? |
| 00:50.26 | abrotman | Azar: and scsi |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | Azar: err .. and sata |
| 00:50.35 | [Luc] | start the User-Interface |
| 00:50.41 | nitinshantharam | mathias64: well dmesg says i have a new scsi disk attached at sda.. i guess thats the same? |
| 00:50.44 | Azar | ah I see.. |
| 00:50.48 | relic | sata = scsi clone |
| 00:50.50 | abrotman | [Luc]: which GUI do you prefer ? |
| 00:50.55 | nitinshantharam | relic: oh ok thanks |
| 00:51.00 | abrotman | it's not a sata clone |
| 00:51.12 | mathias64 | nitinshantharam, yes the sda there is /dev/sda. the kernel leaves out the dev part |
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| 00:51.19 | [Luc] | i dont know... im extremely new.. is just installed linux-debian on my pc |
| 00:51.19 | nitinshantharam | before i mount it i guess i have to format it into ext3 or something, how can i do that? |
| 00:51.26 | prp | hello, i have to server... and they backup themselves each other.. how can i protect the backup archives (i am using tar.bz2)... with a password.. encrypt.. what is a simple and 100%! working solution ? |
| 00:51.30 | abrotman | [Luc]: most people pick kde or gnome |
| 00:51.43 | [Luc] | okay... i have to try... |
| 00:51.51 | relic | twm +1 |
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| 00:52.07 | mathias64 | nitinshantharam, you need to make at least one partition on it, with cfdisk, then you have to make filesystems, eg with mke2fs. |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | [Luc]: check at gnome.org and kde.org ... pick the one you think looks the best |
| 00:52.29 | nitinshantharam | mathias64: any good tutorial you recommed or should i just google? |
| 00:53.01 | [Luc] | okay! and how do i install them ?? i think debian asked me if i wanted to install a userinterface an I chose yes |
| 00:53.06 | Azar | well it's just I wish Sarge installer run same type of partitioning as Woody does, it is so much easier |
| 00:53.06 | [Luc] | (*) |
| 00:53.07 | mathias64 | i woul dgoogle for disk partition howto or something like that. if its just a second disk that you will use for storage, one partition filling the entire disk is fine |
| 00:53.18 | abrotman | [Luc]: after you pick the one you want .. i'll tell you how to install it :) |
| 00:53.20 | Azar | the more options are there the more confusing |
| 00:53.30 | [Luc] | okay.. thanks |
| 00:53.39 | mathias64 | prp: pipe the backup through mcrypt |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | [Luc]: what are the specs on the machine ? |
| 00:54.04 | Azar | ..not everyone is an expert in hardware, drivers, and type of HDrives |
| 00:54.05 | nitinshantharam | mathias64: yea, im trying to setup a fileserver i have a 10gb disk as my primary with debian on it and im installing this sata 300gb disk as the drive i want to store files to (samba) |
| 00:54.19 | [Luc] | specs? sorry english is not my mothertogh... |
| 00:54.34 | thegraham | [Luc]: specification |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | [Luc]: CPU speed ... RAM .. |
| 00:54.36 | drivamgr2006 | Specification |
| 00:54.44 | mathias64 | so just make a huge partition with cfdisk, then make a filesystem on the disk. the sort of files youwill share determiens the type of filesystem you will want. |
| 00:54.59 | nitinshantharam | mathias64: im trying to use fdisk (seems easier :P)€ |
| 00:55.02 | [Luc] | oh... its an old computer... 233MHz |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | [Luc]: and how much RAM ? |
| 00:55.13 | mathias64 | azar: not everyone is an expert in transimissions, so we go to mechanics |
| 00:55.19 | plugwash | note: if its not a boot drive you don't need to partition it |
| 00:55.22 | botsy | when i create a mail with the command maiil where they are stoked ? |
| 00:55.25 | [Luc] | i dont know... but not much... |
| 00:55.26 | mathias64 | fdisk is fine. anything endiding in fdisk should be o |
| 00:55.32 | plugwash | you can just put a filesystem on the drive directly |
| 00:55.37 | abrotman | [Luc]: then i'm going to suggest xfce or icewm |
| 00:55.39 | [Luc] | it was a work-computer before... WIN2000 |
| 00:55.41 | mathias64 | plugwash: that's ugly |
| 00:55.48 | qwerty | im trying to decide between gentoo, debian, or slack |
| 00:56.07 | findme | qwerty, start with slack then gentoo then debian and then stay. |
| 00:56.08 | abrotman | [Luc]: check icewm.org and xfce.org |
| 00:56.14 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 00:56.17 | Shadowcat | gentoo takes a bloody week to install |
| 00:56.24 | Shadowcat | debian takes 1.5 hours |
| 00:56.27 | Azar | yup |
| 00:56.45 | abrotman | Shadowcat: you're slow :) |
| 00:56.47 | qwerty | r u serios |
| 00:56.47 | [Luc] | XFCE looks nice... |
| 00:56.49 | Omnix | Shadowcat: 1.5 hours? Are you slacking? ;) |
| 00:56.52 | plugwash | mathias64 why? |
| 00:56.55 | qwerty | week??? |
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| 00:57.05 | abrotman | [Luc]: okeedokee .. do you know how to use su ? |
| 00:57.07 | Shadowcat | Omnix: that's including the kernel compile |
| 00:57.16 | [Luc] | su?? |
| 00:57.21 | qwerty | slack took me about 30 min |
| 00:57.26 | Coweater | qwerty: you're looking at at least a couple days in a gentoo setup |
| 00:57.31 | Shadowcat | and if you're gonna use gentoo stage III |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | [Luc]: on the linux box .. you're logged in .. do you see a $ or # and the end of the prompt ? |
| 00:57.34 | Azar | installing Woody with sources in stable, ending with Sarge takes 3 hours due to lots of download time. |
| 00:57.37 | prp | mathias64: any example.. howto.. |
| 00:57.43 | Shadowcat | why the hell are you runnin gentoo in the first place? |
| 00:57.46 | qwerty | how?? |
| 00:57.49 | [Luc] | 1 mom |
| 00:57.50 | mathias64 | prp: man mcrypt once you get it installed. |
| 00:57.56 | Shadowcat | Azar: woody is obsolete |
| 00:57.57 | drivamgr2006 | Luc, je serais d'accord avec abrotman. Vous seriez le meilleur pour installer un directeur de fenêtre qui emploie la mémoire très petite, telle que l'icewm, le twm ou le xfce. |
| 00:58.03 | Shadowcat | it's all about sarge now |
| 00:58.04 | Shadowcat | err |
| 00:58.06 | Shadowcat | !english |
| 00:58.06 | dpkg | methinks english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 00:58.06 | prp | mathias64: i am reading that now... |
| 00:58.11 | Shadowcat | !french |
| 00:58.11 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: i think he's german :) |
| 00:58.14 | [Luc] | it shows: "lucas:~#" |
| 00:58.26 | qwerty | im not, im wondering if i should get it |
| 00:58.41 | nitinshantharam | mathias64: woops, cfdisk was much easier -> got that done now to format it |
| 00:58.45 | drivamgr2006 | Oh... I usually have seen luc as the french version of luke... |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | [Luc]: type `apt-get install xfce xdm mozilla-firefox x-window-system` |
| 00:58.52 | qwerty | why does it take so long to set up |
| 00:58.54 | mathias64 | the c in cfdisk stands for comfortable, i think |
| 00:59.07 | nitinshantharam | oh |
| 00:59.11 | [Luc] | is the ` part of it? |
| 00:59.13 | magyar | where can one find update notes to packages? |
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| 00:59.18 | qwerty | why does it take so long to set up |
| 00:59.27 | drivamgr2006 | no luc |
| 00:59.33 | beardy | magyar: Do you mean changelogs, or what? |
| 00:59.35 | Omnix | magyar: http://packages.debian.org for changelogs |
| 00:59.36 | nitinshantharam | mathias64 what format should i use if i am using this disk as a network share? |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | [Luc]: nope |
| 00:59.51 | drivamgr2006 | just type what abrotman put, but miss out the ` signs... |
| 00:59.53 | Omnix | qwerty: why does what take so long? Be specific |
| 00:59.59 | mathias64 | nitinishantharam: the format in cfdisk should just be Linux or Linux Native or some such thing |
| 00:59.59 | [Luc] | okay.. ill try |
| 01:00.19 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: but it will work with those :) |
| 01:00.19 | qwerty | why does gentoo take so long to set up |
| 01:00.20 | beardy | magyar: /usr/share/doc/packagename, some packages have Changelog, some or all have Changelog.Debian |
| 01:00.27 | abrotman | qwerty: ask #gentoo .. this is #debian |
| 01:00.32 | nitinshantharam | mathias64, no i ment for mkfs |
| 01:01.16 | drivamgr2006 | whoever said they think luc is german, is right!!! I am sorry luc.... guess I need to use universal english in here... |
| 01:01.16 | abrotman | guess gravity fell off the wagon :) |
| 01:01.17 | mathias64 | nitinshantharam: i would use ext2 or ext3, which is the same. but you need to look through the mke2fs man page and think about the block size and -T options. |
| 01:01.26 | abrotman | mathias64: they aren't the same |
| 01:01.28 | [Luc] | problem: |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | problem!?!?! |
| 01:01.43 | [Luc] | it only shows could not find xfce |
| 01:01.47 | FourierSeries | qwerty: because, in gentoo, you have to understand & carefully choose everything that you do. With a decent package manager you can "slide" past the complex & boring parts. |
| 01:01.50 | beardy | Without a journal, ext3 is ext2, isn't it? |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | [Luc]: apt-setup .. pick an http source |
| 01:01.54 | mathias64 | ext3 = ext2 plus a journal. ext2 can be converted to ext3. ext3 can be mounted rw as ext2. not the same, but so close |
| 01:01.57 | prp | another question.. what is the best way to move files around from a server to another without compromising the target system.. the move must be made from a script.. (backup script..) |
| 01:01.59 | abrotman | beardy: yes |
| 01:02.16 | abrotman | prp: rsync over ssh ? |
| 01:02.42 | [Luc] | could you give me the whole tag? would be easyer |
| 01:02.54 | abrotman | [Luc]: no . .that's a command to run .. `apt-setup` |
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| 01:03.13 | [Luc] | okay... ill have a look... |
| 01:03.31 | prp | abrotman: and if someone compromises the host system... it will not have any chance to gain access to the target system ? |
| 01:03.32 | beardy | abrotman: Does it mount automatically as ext2 if mounting without giving the fs type, if one would remove the journal, or is the type still ext3? |
| 01:03.34 | FourierSeries | qwerty: also are going to have to compile *everything* in gentoo. Or at least an heck of a lot. |
| 01:03.57 | qwerty | are there any websites where i can buy linux iso's |
| 01:04.02 | abrotman | beardy: my understanding is that you can mount ext3 as 2 .. it's just no journal |
| 01:04.18 | beardy | abrotman: That is my understanding too. |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | prp: well of course not .. anyone who has compromised your system has infinite time to find a way to get to the other system |
| 01:04.25 | mathias64 | newer kernels will try ext3 first, then ext2 as a backup unless told otherwise |
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| 01:04.37 | [Luc] | okay.. its working... |
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| 01:04.53 | qwerty | that sucks |
| 01:04.58 | nitinshantharam | mathias64 so im guessing that since sda is the entire sata disk sda1 is my 1st partition? |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | prp: however .. you could have the backup host contact the host and ask for the backup data |
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| 01:05.09 | cire | in which packet is "imaps" located? Kmail tells me, it wasn't installed... |
| 01:05.11 | mathias64 | nitinshantharam, that's right. |
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| 01:05.14 | qwerty | why cant it just be like windows where you can just install it :-( |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | !tell cire about search |
| 01:05.23 | mathias64 | qwert: I can just install it. |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | qwerty: are you going to whine all night ? |
| 01:05.29 | nitinshantharam | haha |
| 01:05.32 | [Luc] | okay... now it shows again "lucas:~#" |
| 01:05.39 | [Luc] | what to do now...?? |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | [Luc]: you picked an http source ? |
| 01:05.48 | drivamgr2006 | One question, I have noticed that the debian http mirrors in england are as slow as frozen treacle. Are the servers localised, or can you pick another mirror in a different country? |
| 01:05.52 | blondie | does qwerty need a hug? |
| 01:05.52 | [Luc] | yes... |
| 01:05.54 | abrotman | [Luc]: apt-get update .. let me know when it's done |
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| 01:06.11 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: you can pick one in japan if you want |
| 01:06.11 | Omnix | drivamgr2006: not in my experience |
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| 01:06.19 | [Luc] | it installed already something... but ill do |
| 01:06.26 | FourierSeries | qwerty: gentoo? because gentoo is not windows. Some other linux distributions are just as easy as MS stuff. |
| 01:06.28 | beardy | qwerty: Who says otherwise, of course you can just install it, what's the problem? |
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| 01:06.43 | blondie | ednos: /win 46 |
| 01:06.47 | blondie | erm |
| 01:06.49 | [Luc] | okay.. its ready... |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | [Luc]: type `apt-get install xfce xdm mozilla-firefox x-window-system` |
| 01:07.04 | drivamgr2006 | i used to find under my old distro that the netherlands mirrors were as fast as greased rollerblades... might try them! |
| 01:07.09 | [Luc] | okay |
| 01:07.11 | qwerty | such as ubuntu |
| 01:07.12 | nitinshantharam | mathias64: what would the best setup be, basically we want to store most if not all our files (per user) onto the fileserver so it can be accessed anywhere - should i just configure samba with the proper users and assign each of them a directory on the storage disk? |
| 01:07.13 | edrin | hi |
| 01:07.16 | Omnix | drivamgr2006: I tend to use the.earth.li as my mirror |
| 01:07.24 | abrotman | [Luc]: still an error ? |
| 01:07.32 | [Luc] | yes |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | [Luc]: you know .. i think it's called xfce4 now .. not xfce |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | [Luc]: sorry about that |
| 01:07.46 | abrotman | !info xfce4 sarge |
| 01:07.52 | [Luc] | no problem |
| 01:07.55 | Lilldude10 | i install new mobo do i re run alsa? |
| 01:08.02 | Lilldude10 | omb sound |
| 01:08.20 | drivamgr2006 | Omnix, is that a mirror in another country, or UK? |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:08.27 | dpkg | salut |
| 01:08.30 | cire | abrotman: I used apt-cache search, but only found imapsync and isync. Both don't work for kmail... |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | cire: sarge ? |
| 01:08.59 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 01:09.06 | cire | unstable |
| 01:09.08 | [Luc] | okay... now it started |
| 01:09.10 | mathias64 | nitinshantharam: if you are just using ordinary files, not all large files and not lots and lots of small files, then the defaults should be fine. note that you can decrease the reerved percentage to say 1% with the -m option of mke2fs since this is a data only drive |
| 01:09.14 | Omnix | drivamgr2006: it's UK based, London |
| 01:09.16 | [Luc] | ... i have to wait |
| 01:09.17 | [Luc] | ;) |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | [Luc]: yeah .. it's a long download :) |
| 01:09.52 | [Luc] | okay... ive 6Mbit... should be okay.. ;) |
| 01:09.52 | mathias64 | on a 300gb disk, saving 4% means 12gb which is a significant gain. |
| 01:10.02 | abrotman | [Luc]: aren't you a lucky duck :) |
| 01:10.03 | edrin | i converted a package from rpm to deb with alien (ooo2.0.1) on my testing debian. whatever when i install it it creates the folder /opt... and all subfolders and files will be restricted to root user only. therefore one of the current testing packages has a bad bug. it is probably dpkg as the old ooo2.0.0 (that is still on my HD and once installed very fine) doesn't (re) install either... whats up??? |
| 01:10.07 | drivamgr2006 | I had been using blueyonder and debian.org Omnix... both somewhere between dead slow, stp and excuse me while i go backwards... |
| 01:10.30 | drivamgr2006 | I will switch mirror. Do I have to run apt-setup again? |
| 01:10.42 | Omnix | drivamgr2006: can't say I've used the BY one. Debian.org will just be a rotating one |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | edrin: http://backports.org/ |
| 01:11.05 | [Luc] | okay... it asks wether gdm or xdm to use |
| 01:11.11 | cire | abrotman: found the solution. "apt-cache show kmail" tells me what to do. Thank you. |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | [Luc]: gdm is prettier |
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| 01:11.16 | Omnix | drivamgr2006: no, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand. Change the URLs to http://the.earth.li/debian/ (you should have a 'deb' and a 'deb-src' line) |
| 01:11.17 | [Luc] | okay |
| 01:11.24 | abrotman | [Luc]: up to you .. gdm is also .. "heavier" |
| 01:11.32 | drivamgr2006 | xdm is dead ugly... personally i use kdm |
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| 01:11.46 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: but you're crazy |
| 01:11.49 | FeliX682 | Evening... I'm trying to install php4-gd2 on linux debian using atp, after having removed php4-gd... but when i try, it just says "Note, selecting php4-gd instead of php4-gd2" and installs php4-gd... Any ideas on how come, and what i can do? |
| 01:11.57 | Shadowcat | nothing wrong with kdm |
| 01:12.07 | drivamgr2006 | thanks Omnix I will sort that out |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | FeliX682: i think php4-gd is gd2 |
| 01:12.13 | beardy | xdm does what it is created to do |
| 01:12.23 | Omnix | FeliX682: apt-cache show php4-gd |
| 01:12.27 | FeliX682 | hmm, sure? My problem is that it doesn't work :/ |
| 01:12.34 | drivamgr2006 | abrotman - i know i am crazy... it has been a trait i am rather proud of! |
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| 01:12.40 | [Luc] | .. okay.. i chose gdm... now its working again |
| 01:12.48 | beardy | And if you're really good/lucky, you can find out how to change it's background color. |
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| 01:13.02 | qwerty | this looks nice: http://www.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png |
| 01:13.04 | mathias64 | beardy: handle x terminals. it is a relic now, but people use it anyway because they think text mode is ugly. |
| 01:13.07 | FeliX682 | Omnix: yeah it seems to be, it says "Provides: php4-gd2" in the output |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | qwerty: bad link |
| 01:13.20 | beardy | mathias64: No, log into your favourite windowmanager. |
| 01:13.31 | edrin | abrotman: i am on testing |
| 01:13.31 | FeliX682 | Any idea on how i get it to work then? i dont get any errors when running a gdlib php script, but it doesn't work either |
| 01:13.31 | mathias64 | beardy: that's what startx does |
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| 01:13.37 | Omnix | FeliX682: my point. And it links against libgd2-xpm, so I'd presume so |
| 01:13.41 | beardy | mathias64: No, that starts X. |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | edrin: and ? |
| 01:13.52 | qwerty | f** |
| 01:13.56 | qwerty | * |
| 01:14.02 | edrin | backports is for stable, no? |
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| 01:14.10 | abrotman | damn it .. where'd he go ? |
| 01:14.14 | mathias64 | beardy: i don't get what you are trying to say. I still get a window manager when i run startx |
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| 01:14.23 | FeliX682 | alright, Omnix, thanks, but any idea on how i get it to work? as i said if isn't working and aint providing me with any errors either |
| 01:14.24 | edrin | abrotman: backports is for stable, no? |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | edrin: some of them will work on etch too .. or you can try to do your own backport .. alien doesn't always work right .. as you're seeing |
| 01:14.35 | qwerty | http://www.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | qwerty: that's gnome |
| 01:14.51 | edrin | is /opt a default folder in debian? what are the normal/default rights on this folder? |
| 01:14.57 | abrotman | with eterms |
| 01:14.58 | beardy | mathias64: Yes. What I am saying is, xdm/kdm/gd/*dmm all works fine. |
| 01:15.01 | Omnix | FeliX682: how are you running it? |
| 01:15.14 | Omnix | FeliX682: you're not being specific at all, you're asking vague questions |
| 01:15.17 | [Luc] | abortman: it stoped workin... its again "lucas:~#" |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | [Luc]: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 01:15.28 | beardy | mathias64: The main difference is their toolkit and amount of bloat. |
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| 01:15.36 | mathias64 | beardy : they do work fine, except that they add a lot of headaches with their use of xauth etc. |
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| 01:15.40 | Omnix | edrin: yes, permissions are root:root, 755 |
| 01:15.40 | qwerty | it looks good |
| 01:15.49 | beardy | There is always |
| 01:15.51 | beardy | !nodm |
| 01:15.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 01:15.51 | drivamgr2006 | cool - thanks for that Omnix - I am just running an apt-get update now. |
| 01:15.51 | [Luc] | okay. |
| 01:15.51 | FeliX682 | Omnix: Sorry... I tried testing it with this script: http://www.phpfreaks.com/tutorials/105/1.php on apache2, but i don't get any error or a image, it just aint working |
| 01:15.54 | beardy | for those who wish. |
| 01:16.02 | floundering | Hi |
| 01:16.17 | Omnix | drivamgr2006: np. It's hosted on an excellent network, you shouldn't have any problems |
| 01:16.18 | edrin | Omnix: ok, what means 755? |
| 01:16.25 | mathias64 | I don't have xdm, gdm, etc. I have my bash_profile run startx if i log into tty 0. |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 01:16.41 | drivamgr2006 | cheers omnix dude. much appreciated. |
| 01:16.41 | dpkg | from memory, permissions is multiple acts of permitting |
| 01:16.43 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 01:16.44 | Omnix | edrin: permissions. I thought that's what you asked? |
| 01:16.47 | beardy | mathias64: Ok, if that is how you like it, that's fine too :) |
| 01:16.56 | FeliX682 | Omnix: How can i be more specific? |
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| 01:17.35 | Omnix | FeliX682: have you restarted the Apache daemon since installing the PHP module? Have you added the module to the PHP .ini config file (can't remember if that's required any more)? Have you read the Apache error logs? Have you tried adding debug output to the script? |
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| 01:18.03 | drivamgr2006 | 755 i think is rwxr-xr-x... read write execute to owner, read execute to group, read execute to others... |
| 01:18.12 | edrin | Omnix: i think this is my problem. when i uninstalled OOO2.0.0 to install OOO2.0.1 with aptitude it removed the whole directory. no the directory is gone. (re)installing OOO2.0.1 recreates the directory but with root only access |
| 01:18.14 | FeliX682 | Omnix: Yes, and PHP it self works fine, there's no data in the error logs, but i will try to do a phpinfo to see if it's listed |
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| 01:18.37 | Omnix | FeliX682: good plan |
| 01:18.43 | edrin | Omnix: how can i recreate /opt with default rights? |
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| 01:18.58 | Omnix | edrin: mkdir /opt ? |
| 01:19.03 | TTT_Travis | I need a little help with samba |
| 01:19.03 | TTT_Travis | [root@snoopy sysuser]# testparm |
| 01:19.03 | TTT_Travis | Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 01:19.03 | TTT_Travis | Unknown parameter encountered: "enable privileges" |
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| 01:19.17 | abrotman | TTT_Travis: ask #samba ? |
| 01:19.44 | edrin | Omnix: and how to set the right permission? |
| 01:20.02 | TTT_Travis | abrotman I did |
| 01:20.02 | edrin | Omnix: can you ensure that 755 is the right permission? |
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| 01:20.08 | abrotman | TTT_Travis: and ? |
| 01:20.08 | TTT_Travis | just thought I'd ask here too |
| 01:20.37 | Omnix | edrin: default Debian umask should be set for that. Otherwise go and read some basic bash tutorials and learn how to do it yourself - you should know, not just be told |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | but this is #debian .. that is #samba |
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| 01:20.37 | TTT_Travis | abrotman no reply |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | TTT_Travis: how long did you wait in there for an answer ? |
| 01:20.40 | TTT_Travis | few minutes |
| 01:21.13 | adrian__ | my company need a good webmaster, im paying $1,400 us per month |
| 01:21.20 | adrian__ | is there sombody? |
| 01:21.48 | thegraham | i've just upgraded to testing and spamassassin has stopped working... I get the message : "SA: Action: spamd took more than 240 secs to run, accepting message" |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | TTT_Travis: i've waited hours in a channel for an answer :) |
| 01:21.53 | aequis | What constitutes as good? |
| 01:21.56 | abrotman | adrian__: #web |
| 01:22.16 | drivamgr2006 | TTT_Travis, Someone is answering you on #samba now. |
| 01:22.35 | edrin | Omnix: ok, it seems that mkdir /opt as root sets 755 already. how can i show in bash the permission of a file/directory? |
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| 01:22.39 | blondie | drivamgr2006: are they? |
| 01:22.46 | Omnix | thegraham: #spamassassin or somewhere would be better, but have you tried running it through spamassassin manually? |
| 01:22.54 | FeliX682 | Omnix: Thanks, it was because it was commented in php.ini |
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| 01:22.58 | TTT_Travis | drivamgr2006 I know |
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| 01:23.07 | Omnix | edrin: you really need to read a basic bash tutorial, seriously. |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | or he could ask #bash |
| 01:23.26 | drivamgr2006 | Sorry - thought you'd come out of channel to ask here... :( |
| 01:23.42 | Omnix | abrotman: and let them refer him to a tutorial? :) |
| 01:23.44 | edrin | Omnix: :/ or you tell me here :D? |
| 01:23.48 | Omnix | FeliX682: np. I find that a bit odd - sometimes you need to, sometimes you don't |
| 01:23.51 | thegraham | Omnix: no, how would i do that? |
| 01:23.55 | Omnix | edrin: no. It'll be a learning experience, trust me |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | Omnix: they might know a good one |
| 01:24.05 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 01:24.05 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard". (i e type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 01:24.46 | floundering | I am trying to build gnupg-1.4.2 but get a warning message _nl_find_message has multiple definitions and changes size. |
| 01:24.46 | Omnix | thegraham: get your message, run it through the spamassassin command. There's probably a debug option, if it doesn't give you an error straight out |
| 01:24.56 | edrin | Omnix: i will learn it when i need it |
| 01:25.06 | abrotman | edrin: uhm .. you need it now :) |
| 01:25.08 | Omnix | edrin: you need it |
| 01:25.39 | abrotman | thank goodness it doesn't hurt to be right :) |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:26.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:26.20 | [Luc] | abortman: okay.. it shows the desktop... but the resolution is bad and i cant change it because the dropdown-menu only shows the worst one! |
| 01:26.34 | abrotman | [Luc]: what video card do you have ? |
| 01:27.03 | [Luc] | its an onboard one but it did alreadey 1024x768 |
| 01:27.15 | abrotman | !drxx [Luc] |
| 01:27.15 | dpkg | [Luc]: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 01:27.21 | beardy | [Luc]: In what program? In X generally? |
| 01:27.23 | abrotman | [Luc]: when it asks you for a resolution .. only pick the one you want |
| 01:28.07 | edrin | Omnix: well, so far i already found out that the reason for my problem updating to ooo2.0.1 with alien and dpkg was that the uninstalling of ooo2.0.0 removed the /opt folder and the installing did not set permission 755. isn't that good? |
| 01:28.19 | edrin | btw. ooo2.0.1 is working now :) |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | as much as it "works" :) |
| 01:29.36 | Omnix | edrin: I probably don't even want to know why you're using Alien to install ooo2.0.1... |
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| 01:29.48 | abrotman | Omnix: hasn't filtered to etch yet |
| 01:29.49 | mathias64 | no, i'm sure you do... |
| 01:30.11 | beardy | Is it unstable? |
| 01:30.15 | beardy | +in |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | i think so |
| 01:30.29 | Omnix | abrotman: ah... must be desperate |
| 01:30.45 | edrin | Omnix: why not? it is working fine so far |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | beardy: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=openoffice.org |
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| 01:31.42 | edrin | abrotman: you mean openoffice 2.0.1 |
| 01:31.43 | Omnix | edrin: strikes me as convoluted for a minor revision, that's all |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | edrin: ? |
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| 01:32.02 | abrotman | edrin: i mean what ? |
| 01:32.22 | edrin | btw there is no native ooo2.0.1 .deb yet |
| 01:32.27 | [Luc] | abortman: how do i load debian on system startup.. do i need a comand? |
| 01:32.57 | abrotman | [Luc]: you mean load the GUI ? |
| 01:33.03 | [Luc] | yes |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | edrin: did you check experimental ? |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | [Luc]: it should start by itself |
| 01:33.17 | [Luc] | okay.. ill try |
| 01:33.38 | mathias64 | luc: you can run startx. you wouldn't buy a car that starts itself,would you? |
| 01:33.51 | beardy | :) |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | mathias64: dunno .. i mean .. if it knew it was supposed to start every weekday at 830am .. i might :) |
| 01:34.58 | drivamgr2006 | i dunno mathias64 that wouldnt be a bad idea. Would save ya panicking when you loose yer car keys! |
| 01:35.04 | beardy | mathias64: The default is probably better for him until he knows what he really wants. |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: how would you get in to the car to drive it ? |
| 01:35.24 | beardy | drivamgr2006: It would drive away without you. |
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| 01:35.34 | drivamgr2006 | bugger... never thoght of that. |
| 01:35.48 | edrin | abrotman: no |
| 01:35.48 | drivamgr2006 | s/thoght/thought |
| 01:36.02 | beardy | drivamgr2006: But of course you don't have keys, you just have to grab the handle and it unlocks. |
| 01:36.36 | abrotman | edrin: ok .. good |
| 01:36.54 | beardy | But I'm not sure I'd want it.. I probably would run startcar instead, in that case. |
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| 01:38.06 | look | is there any way to recover original linux directory file permissions other than total reinstall from cds? |
| 01:38.22 | mathias64 | look: what did you do to lose them? |
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| 01:38.31 | beardy | look: Probably not. Why did you fiddle with them? |
| 01:38.31 | Omnix | look: I think that was asked on debian-isp last week |
| 01:38.39 | look | mathias, chattr accidentally :( |
| 01:38.41 | dddd_ | copy the dir off the /live |
| 01:38.44 | drivamgr2006 | mount /dev/car | cd /mount/car/ignition | ./startcar |
| 01:38.53 | dddd_ | cp -a /dir |
| 01:38.53 | FourierSeries | look: sure. restore from your back up. |
| 01:39.08 | Omnix | look: yes, 14/12/05 on debian-isp and there's a thread with some suggestions |
| 01:39.09 | mathias64 | look is this one or two directories, or the whole thing? |
| 01:39.18 | dddd_ | /opt |
| 01:39.18 | look | fourier, heh, if it was that easy, i'd have done that instantly |
| 01:39.22 | look | omnix, ok thanks |
| 01:39.28 | look | mathias, whole shit. |
| 01:39.43 | look | mathias, was going to chattr one dir+subdirs but was on / :( |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | better than shitlets |
| 01:40.34 | mathias64 | just the directories, or all the files? and do you mean chmod? chattr isn't such a big deal |
| 01:40.44 | look | ah yeah chmod sorry |
| 01:40.56 | look | all |
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| 01:41.27 | abrotman | look: what exactly did you do ? |
| 01:41.31 | look | i tried to apt-get --reinstall all the packages but obviously that doesn't work because of the dependancy cycles and such |
| 01:41.33 | beardy | look: One rootlesson learned then. |
| 01:41.38 | mathias64 | well, I would just guess and I would get 95% right. directories are 755, files are 644 except executables, tmp is 777, and the dev files have their own permissions |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | mathias64: /tmp isn't exactly 777 |
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| 01:42.00 | mathias64 | there are very few files that are not 755 or 644 |
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| 01:42.16 | look | beardy, yeah. :/ |
| 01:42.24 | mathias64 | right. but hopefully he didn't clear the sticky bit |
| 01:42.25 | look | mathias, ok. thanks |
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| 01:42.40 | look | sticky bit? |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | !sticky bit |
| 01:42.52 | dpkg | it has been said that sticky bit is the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in any modern Unix. |
| 01:42.58 | SerajewelKS | hrm.. wtf? W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 01:43.09 | mathias64 | look: that leaves you with the following special cases: 1) files used by daemons that run as a special user 2) files containing secret info that aren't world readable 3) other files that are still wrong |
| 01:43.12 | look | well, i did chmod -R o= * |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: good god .. you broke debian.org! |
| 01:43.41 | mathias64 | look: which just removed the ``other'' permissions? |
| 01:43.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: sorry =/ |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | look: weren't you in here an hour or so ago with another nick ? |
| 01:43.59 | beardy | look: Well, chmod /etc/shadow to 640 at least. |
| 01:44.07 | mathias64 | that is much easier. others can read everything except secret files and can execute executables and directories. |
| 01:44.08 | foolesswonder | Shuting down. |
| 01:44.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: but on a serious note, is this a known problem with testing? |
| 01:44.32 | mathias64 | look: you should be able to fix all that by hand. |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you mean besides that url probably doesn't exist ? .. did you check BTS for bugs with gpg? |
| 01:44.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i remember on my last upgrade that gpg got updated |
| 01:44.46 | look | then i stupidly didn't think and did chmod -R o+rwx * which was stupid. |
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| 01:45.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: if it didn't exist, that would be the error, not unable to validate signature |
| 01:45.25 | g3brown | I'm looking for a good 4 channel SATA card that is supported by Sarge with 2.6 kernel. |
| 01:45.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release =P |
| 01:45.28 | look | mathias, hmm ok |
| 01:45.32 | mathias64 | look: on a workig computer, run find . -type d -ls | grep -v drwxr-xr-x and that will show you which directories arent 755 |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: wtf is the gpg package ? |
| 01:45.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: gnupg rather |
| 01:46.05 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i found it |
| 01:46.05 | mathias64 | look: still, if you didn't change the owner and didn't change root or group then it isn't too hard to guess what others should be able to do to a particular file |
| 01:46.14 | look | mathias, well, the problem is, i haven't got any other linux dist around atm |
| 01:46.26 | mathias64 | look: boot a live cd or something |
| 01:46.28 | look | mathias, ok.. *phew* :) |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | #337165: gnupg: Unattended key generation breaks with "Ohhhh jeeee: ... this is a bug" when using unknown algorithm |
| 01:47.04 | mathias64 | and next time don't chmod -R so fast... |
| 01:47.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's key "generation" |
| 01:47.12 | look | mathias, well, the computer is actually like, 300km away. heh. but i guess i just have to burn cd or something. |
| 01:47.16 | look | mathias, yeah. lesson learned. :) |
| 01:47.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i know .. i just thought it was a funny bug :) |
| 01:47.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: oh hehe |
| 01:48.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: can i put apt-get into some kind of verbose mode where it will know what commandline it's giving gpgv so i can debug myself? |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you could strace it |
| 01:48.25 | look | mathias, thanks alot! |
| 01:48.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's "debug *it* myself" |
| 01:48.32 | look | and thank you others too |
| 01:48.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: as much as i probably need to be debugged, that's not what i meant |
| 01:48.43 | mathias64 | look: the rule of thumb is that others can read everything except secret info or other users' mail |
| 01:48.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: strace ? |
| 01:49.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes, doing that now. on apt-get that is. |
| 01:49.32 | look | mathias, how about stuff in /proc /tmp and such? |
| 01:49.51 | abrotman | look: ignore /proc .. it gets generated every boot |
| 01:49.59 | look | abrot, ok |
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| 01:50.07 | mathias64 | proc will take care of itself. you can delete everything in /tmp. tmp itself you can chmod 777 |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | don't forget to get sticky! |
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| 01:50.34 | mathias64 | abrot: it should still be there, he didn't remove it |
| 01:50.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: this is the only gpgv-related failure thing i can find: read(9, "400 URI Failure\nURI: gpgv:/var/l"..., 64000) = 147 |
| 01:50.43 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not exactly helpful to me |
| 01:50.50 | look | my tmp is: drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1024 Dec 24 03:31 tmp |
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| 01:50.56 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's the whole line ? |
| 01:51.04 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: in strace, yeah |
| 01:51.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: try commenting out that line ... |
| 01:51.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm pretty sure that URL doesn't exist |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 01:51.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 01:51.28 | mathias64 | look: I can post a list of the relevant directories on pastebin if it helps |
| 01:51.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hrm... apt-get says it "hit" it |
| 01:51.33 | sifi | how do I set the resolution, the fonts are quite big (not for x-windows) |
| 01:51.45 | look | mathias, i'd be most grateful, it'd help a lot! |
| 01:51.57 | look | mathias, but what's pastebin? :) |
| 01:52.00 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and this is the first time this error has popped up |
| 01:52.02 | beginer | i setup eth0 and eth1 on /etc/network/interfaces but eth1 is missed after reboot... i need to type ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.1 and all is ok... what i need to do to start eth1 automaticaly at boot time? |
| 01:52.19 | SerajewelKS | beginer: add 'auto eth1' to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:52.38 | sifi | the default screenresolution for the shell is to big, how do I change it? |
| 01:52.54 | beginer | tnx |
| 01:54.33 | nitinshantharam | guys how can i change the default user home from /home/username to something like /mount/storage/username ? |
| 01:54.39 | sifi | nobody knows? |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | tarzeau!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | nitinshantharam: look in /etc/passwd |
| 01:55.23 | nitinshantharam | abrotman: i know you can do it there but i ment "default" |
| 01:55.30 | nitinshantharam | i dotn want to do it per user |
| 01:55.43 | sifi | abrotman, I am not running X, just the shell, how do I change the screen resolution so I can get out more text on the screen? |
| 01:56.01 | mathias64 | look: http://pastebin.com/477216 |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | nitinshantharam: oh .. you can change the adduser script i suppose .. or learn how to use it |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | sifi: dunno .. i never had a big monitor :) |
| 01:56.18 | nitinshantharam | abrotman: oh, bum |
| 01:56.34 | mathias64 | nitinshantharam: man adduser |
| 01:56.36 | sifi | abrotman, =), ok |
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| 01:56.47 | SerajewelKS | nitinshantharam: why don't you just symlink /home -> /mount/storage |
| 01:57.07 | nitinshantharam | mathias: found it nice /etc/adduser.conf |
| 01:57.19 | look | mathias64, thanks ALOT! |
| 01:57.31 | SerajewelKS | nitinshantharam: or mount --bind /mount/storage /home |
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| 01:58.17 | mathias64 | for general info, i have 59 directories on my debian system that are not drwxr-xr-x |
| 01:58.31 | mathias64 | that few |
| 01:58.32 | blkcamarozr28 | hey anyone know if the SATA 100 controller will on the newer SATA-II drives? |
| 01:58.36 | look | mathias, i don't know how to thank you. you saved my xmas. :> |
| 01:58.39 | look | mathias, ok |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | blkcamarozr28: check the manufacturer's website |
| 01:59.34 | mathias64 | look: you still may have a few files to check up on, especially in /dev. |
| 02:00.21 | mathias64 | but you can probably get somebody else to give you ls -l /dev to compare against. |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | if he uses udev .. not an issue |
| 02:00.30 | abrotman | or he could run MAKEDEV |
| 02:00.40 | mathias64 | true, udev would take care of it. will MAKEDEV fix perms on files that already exist? |
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| 02:01.36 | beginer | apt-get install htb: Couldn't find package htb => how i can install htb? |
| 02:02.07 | abrotman | beginer: which version of debian ? |
| 02:02.11 | abrotman | mathias64: i think so |
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| 02:02.28 | look | should most of the files in /dev be rwx for other? |
| 02:02.32 | beginer | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 02:02.41 | alvanson | looks like sarge |
| 02:02.56 | abrotman | !info htb sarge |
| 02:02.56 | look | i ran MAKEDEV and atleast some of the perms aren't rwx for other now |
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| 02:03.09 | beginer | !info htb sarge |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | look: they won't all be |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | beginer: package doesn't exist |
| 02:03.22 | beginer | <dpkg> Package 'htb' does not exist. |
| 02:03.25 | abrotman | !tell beginer about search |
| 02:03.44 | mathias64 | look: no |
| 02:03.53 | beginer | !tell beginer about search |
| 02:03.59 | look | hmm |
| 02:04.27 | mathias64 | look: if you /msg me, i can email or dcc you what i get from ls -l . |
| 02:04.57 | look | mathias, ok, thanks. wait a moment please |
| 02:05.13 | beginer | apt-cache search htb => nothing |
| 02:05.35 | beginer | anyone can help me to install htb? |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | wtf is htb ? |
| 02:06.10 | mathias64 | wtb is fth? |
| 02:06.36 | alvanson | wtq is gwl? |
| 02:06.52 | mathias64 | no, wtq is ert. wts is gwl. |
| 02:07.15 | alvanson | mathias64, darn. I keep getting those two mixed up! |
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| 02:07.43 | beginer | so... any answer for me? |
| 02:07.53 | mathias64 | beginer: nobody here know wtf htb is. |
| 02:07.55 | alvanson | beginer, what are you installing in the first place? |
| 02:07.56 | sifi | is there anybody here that has enabled the framebuffer in lilo or grub? |
| 02:08.23 | mathias64 | sifi: no, sorry |
| 02:08.38 | alvanson | mathias64, Heavy Ton of Bricks of course! |
| 02:08.56 | mathias64 | right. i forgot. i as thinking of a hot tub. |
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| 02:09.15 | alvanson | uhoh a virus |
| 02:09.21 | alvanson | oh... vyrus. |
| 02:09.25 | colk | lol |
| 02:09.29 | alvanson | kind of like women/womyn |
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| 02:11.10 | alvanson | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.16 | Puiu | Is there a third party repository I can use to get the latest open office with etch? |
| 02:11.18 | vyrus001 | ... |
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| 02:11.45 | abrotman | alvanson: yeah .. no windows :) |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | Puiu: backports.org ? |
| 02:11.52 | vyrus001 | lol |
| 02:11.53 | Puiu | I agree, no windows. |
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| 02:12.37 | Puiu | How do I ask dpkg why package foo isn't in etch? |
| 02:12.39 | Lilldude10 | raise paw no windows bring back amd socket a parts |
| 02:12.40 | mathias64 | alvanson: 10g is generous for linux, you will have pleny of space. the swap should be adequate if you have plenty of ram and don't do number crunching. |
| 02:12.55 | alvanson | abrotman, well... that'd be ideal, but alas I need AutoCAD for school :@ |
| 02:12.56 | SerajewelKS | Puiu: you don't |
| 02:13.02 | Lilldude10 | 768 how much swap? |
| 02:13.03 | Puiu | SerajewelKS: yes you do. |
| 02:13.06 | SerajewelKS | Puiu: packages.debian.org/packagename then click the "developer info" link |
| 02:13.15 | Puiu | ./msg dpkg why isn't blah in etch/ |
| 02:13.16 | alvanson | mathias64, have 512MB of the RAMs |
| 02:13.19 | Puiu | But that isn't right. |
| 02:13.23 | SerajewelKS | Puiu: oh, the *bot* |
| 02:13.23 | Puiu | I don't know the wording. |
| 02:13.27 | Puiu | yea |
| 02:13.33 | alvanson | mathias64, I may do some heafty number crunching though, but there's a way to add a swap "file" if need be, right? |
| 02:13.45 | Lilldude10 | i cnaged mobo get os sounds no cd tunes do i run alsa? |
| 02:13.46 | alvanson | not ideal, but it exists? |
| 02:13.47 | Puiu | There is a certain amount of days until firefox 1.5 is in etch |
| 02:13.51 | Puiu | But I forget how to ask dpkg |
| 02:13.55 | Puiu | And it's not on debian.org |
| 02:13.58 | Puiu | It is a .se website. |
| 02:14.09 | SerajewelKS | Puiu: there's a *link* from debian.org like i said |
| 02:14.10 | alvanson | It appears as though |
| 02:14.14 | alvanson | Puiu likes the |
| 02:14.15 | alvanson | enter key |
| 02:14.18 | SerajewelKS | !why is foobar not in testing |
| 02:14.18 | dpkg | foobar is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foobar |
| 02:14.22 | mathias64 | then 1gb should be fine. you can do file-based swap, it's just slower. it's so cheap, to buy ram that that is a better option. and you would know if you were doing the sort of coputation that needs more than 1.5gb of memory |
| 02:14.23 | Puiu | yea |
| 02:14.24 | Puiu | lol |
| 02:14.27 | Puiu | !tell Puiu about enter |
| 02:14.41 | SerajewelKS | Puiu: there's a link to that from p.d.o/package |
| 02:14.47 | mathias64 | coputation... hmm. seems dirty somehow |
| 02:14.53 | Puiu | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foobar |
| 02:14.57 | alvanson | mathias64, I don't see anything reason now, but I'ver heard that my signal processing classes will be damn demanding on computer (for labs) |
| 02:15.29 | alvanson | stupid laptop... it'd be nice just to add a second hard drive |
| 02:15.44 | alvanson | oh! can ext3 filesystems be moved around and resized? |
| 02:15.45 | mathias64 | i don't doubt that it will be demanding. but at 1k per second, 1gb is a million seconds of data. you would know if you were doing that sort of thing |
| 02:15.52 | g3brown | What's that link to the Debian with newest kernel? |
| 02:16.02 | look | mathias, check your priv pls. :) |
| 02:16.15 | SerajewelKS | g3brown: unstable? |
| 02:16.23 | Puiu | k, firefox 1.5 goes into etch in 5 days. |
| 02:16.54 | SerajewelKS | Puiu: possibly |
| 02:17.03 | g3brown | SerajewelKS: Was thinking for Sarge, but if you have more than one. I'm looking to try a diff kernel |
| 02:17.17 | mathias64 | look: the server tells me private messages from unregistered users are blocked. |
| 02:17.22 | SerajewelKS | g3brown: you might be able to get a kernel backport |
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| 02:17.47 | look | mathias, ah |
| 02:17.56 | digijohn | Hi guys, I've got a little question here. |
| 02:18.03 | Puiu | SerajewelKS: If there are no new bugs found it will go in. |
| 02:18.10 | alvanson | digijohn, well, we're all out of little answers today so you'll have to settle with a big one :P |
| 02:18.12 | Puiu | !tell digijohn about ask |
| 02:18.22 | mathias64 | i forgot to log in, try again |
| 02:18.22 | g3brown | SerajewelKS: Yeah, I think that is what I want. |
| 02:18.25 | Puiu | digijohn: I don't think anyone can answer your question if you don't ask it. |
| 02:18.27 | digijohn | I'm trying to connect to a BBS over telnet, but when I do, the ANSI art doesn't display correctly. |
| 02:18.33 | look | mathias, wait i'll register |
| 02:18.35 | digijohn | Puiu: Getting there |
| 02:18.38 | SerajewelKS | Puiu: and if there are no dependency issues |
| 02:18.39 | look | mathias, i didn't notice it :) |
| 02:18.44 | digijohn | I'm doing this from the console |
| 02:18.48 | mathias64 | no, i turned my filtering off, it should work now |
| 02:19.01 | digijohn | Is there a way to get ANSI to work properly at the console? |
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| 02:19.44 | SerajewelKS | digijohn: ANSI what? |
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| 02:20.11 | beardy | digijohn: For which program? |
| 02:20.15 | digijohn | telnet |
| 02:20.19 | FourierSeries | digijohn: what does "echo $TERM" say? |
| 02:20.21 | digijohn | You connect to the BBS via telnet |
| 02:20.35 | SerajewelKS | digijohn: do you mean ANSI color? |
| 02:20.36 | digijohn | FourierSeries: "linux" |
| 02:20.42 | digijohn | SerajewelKS: Perhaps. |
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| 02:20.51 | digijohn | I'm not too sure. |
| 02:20.56 | SerajewelKS | digijohn: ANSI is an institute, not a technology |
| 02:20.57 | beardy | digijohn: 'echo -e "\033(U"' might work, it does for me. |
| 02:21.08 | beardy | digijohn: And then 'reset' when you're done. |
| 02:21.16 | digijohn | Sera: Then I want ANSI color |
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| 02:21.35 | Guerin | digijohn: i think you want ANSI Specificness |
| 02:21.42 | FourierSeries | digijohn: you might try "TERM=ansi; export $TERM" |
| 02:21.51 | deadcat | beardy: that worked for me too. but the problem now is that when i open SCREEN. it doesnt display those fancy chars no more. dont know what happened |
| 02:21.55 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: or "export TERM=ansi" |
| 02:22.10 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: Right. TY. |
| 02:22.14 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: and "export $TERM" probably won't do the right thing ;) |
| 02:22.38 | digijohn | beardy: That didn't seem to work. |
| 02:23.11 | beardy | deadcat: After you ran the 'echo' you ran screen, or? |
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| 02:23.53 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 02:24.06 | deadcat | beardy: my xterm is already displaying the special chars correctly. then i run screen |
| 02:24.22 | RoundQube | i have two sata drives im trying to do software raid with but the debian installer is switching the drives by making scsi disk #1 to be sdb and vice versa |
| 02:24.32 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: Now, about SCOAnsi ... |
| 02:24.37 | RoundQube | i've setup the software raid but how do i know its working. This is what i get when i cat /proc/mdstat |
| 02:24.41 | FourierSeries | o_0 |
| 02:24.42 | RoundQube | md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] |
| 02:24.42 | RoundQube | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.43 | deadcat | beardy: it used to work since i have the echo thing in my .bash_profile and i am using login shells. but now i dont know what changed. either xterm or screen or bash |
| 02:25.01 | RoundQube | why dont i see sdb1 and sda1 in there as i've seen in many articles? |
| 02:25.05 | beardy | deadcat: What happens if you run the echo in that screen? |
| 02:25.33 | deadcat | beardy: then works. |
| 02:25.58 | beardy | deadcat: screen is it's own terminal, so that's why it doesn't work, I guess. |
| 02:26.02 | deadcat | beardy: but i have so many screen session i dont want to do that on each window. thats why i had the echo in .bash_profile to fixed the problem |
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| 02:26.32 | beardy | deadcat: Have it in .bashrc aswell, so non-login shells run it too? |
| 02:26.40 | deadcat | k |
| 02:27.05 | beardy | deadcat: Have it only in .bashrc, and uncomment the include .bashrc if it exists, in .bash_profile. |
| 02:27.39 | beardy | deadcat: Or in both, whatever you prefer of course. |
| 02:28.12 | Azar | I would like to remove the oss module with modconf, but I can't it tells me it is in use, how I stop oss? |
| 02:28.25 | deadcat | beardy: k. i usually have all the export's in .bash_profile and all my aliases in .bashrc |
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| 02:29.20 | beardy | deadcat: Then you don't have any exports when running screen or an xterm? |
| 02:30.43 | deadcat | beardy: .bashrc works |
| 02:31.02 | deadcat | beardy: actually all the vars still exported in screen |
| 02:31.09 | beardy | deadcat: Yes, but you said you had all exports in .bash_profile, oh well.. |
| 02:31.15 | deadcat | beardy: i have login shell in .Xresources |
| 02:31.16 | ryanium | Whats the max resolution with the vesa driver? |
| 02:31.19 | beardy | deadcat: Ah, yes, true. |
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| 02:31.31 | relic | hello? |
| 02:31.32 | beardy | deadcat: Ok. |
| 02:31.58 | relic | yea~ my saa7131E tv is nice :) |
| 02:31.58 | ryanium | No matter what resolution I pick w/ the vesa driver, it seems to only use 800x600 |
| 02:32.00 | deadcat | beardy: acutally i have: printf "\033)0", same as )U ya? |
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| 02:32.35 | beardy | deadcat: Probably. If it works, it works :) |
| 02:32.45 | relic | high-class (video+sound) |
| 02:32.50 | relic | hehe |
| 02:32.52 | deadcat | haha |
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| 02:33.23 | relic | I am watching TV show |
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| 02:34.16 | deadcat | beardy: actually )U doesnt show the special chars i needed. so )0 did the trick |
| 02:34.16 | benjamindees | ryanium, what is your video chipset? |
| 02:34.41 | beardy | deadcat: deadcat Ok, what chars is that? |
| 02:34.45 | beardy | hmm |
| 02:34.47 | ryanium | its an ati card, but i heard they are a bit hard to set up so i just chose a basic driver |
| 02:35.20 | beardy | deadcat: It's (U though. |
| 02:35.25 | deadcat | bradd: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20051118_15623.png |
| 02:35.28 | deadcat | oh |
| 02:35.37 | benjamindees | ryanium, they're only hard if you have a tv or tuner/capture attached |
| 02:35.44 | deadcat | nope. only )0 does the trick for me |
| 02:36.03 | ryanium | Well its a rather old one card, ati radeon.... i forgot :( |
| 02:36.50 | ryanium | Ati Tech. Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x |
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| 02:37.35 | benjamindees | ryanium, I would use the ati driver |
| 02:37.52 | ryanium | benjamindees, i could never set it up right, it always would cut off half my screen |
| 02:38.07 | mathias64 | colk: good idea |
| 02:38.16 | colk | infact next week |
| 02:38.26 | colk | as soon as my order gets in |
| 02:38.28 | Puiu | What is a good program to use for p2p...there is a ebook I want...but I'm not sure which program to apt-get(i am using etch) |
| 02:38.42 | mathias64 | good luck then. everything went well for me |
| 02:38.44 | benjamindees | ryanium, is it a laptop by any chance? |
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| 02:38.51 | deadcat | Puiu: gtk-gnutella is the best i've seen so far |
| 02:38.57 | Puiu | deadcat: thanks |
| 02:39.04 | Gnurdux | a couple of months back, I did a distro upgrade |
| 02:39.07 | Gnurdux | I use debian testing |
| 02:39.11 | ryanium | benjamindees, sure is |
| 02:39.12 | Gnurdux | and I hadnt upgraded for a while |
| 02:39.18 | Gnurdux | and it upgraded glibc so i had to reboot |
| 02:39.27 | Gnurdux | and when i rebooted, my FPS was down |
| 02:39.29 | Gnurdux | way down |
| 02:39.32 | colk | Gnurdux, get ready for 900+ package upgrade |
| 02:39.34 | Gnurdux | GLXgears gives under 100 |
| 02:39.39 | beardy | deadcat: Anyplace I can check if those chars works for me? |
| 02:39.57 | Gnurdux | and its stayed like that for the past i guess 3-4 months now |
| 02:39.59 | benjamindees | ryanium, and the lcd is larger than 800x600 I assume? |
| 02:40.20 | Gnurdux | so does anyone have any idea of what could be wrong? |
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| 02:40.28 | Gnurdux | once my openGL totally died |
| 02:40.30 | ryanium | Yeah, I had it running alot higher than 800x600 before, but I forgot how I fixed the problem |
| 02:40.38 | Gnurdux | see its only opengl thats affected |
| 02:40.46 | Gnurdux | once it totally died, and no opengl worked |
| 02:40.51 | Gnurdux | and then I rebooted and it worked fine |
| 02:41.00 | Gnurdux | now it works, just 10 times slower thean it used to |
| 02:41.04 | Gnurdux | and reboot does not fix |
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| 02:41.31 | Gnurdux | so what could be wrong? i was just told that it doesnt sound like a hardware problem |
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| 02:41.48 | deadcat | beardy: what you mean? |
| 02:41.48 | Gnurdux | i think ive asked about the issue before |
| 02:41.55 | ryanium | benjamindees, i have been trying to set a higher resolution with, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if that helps |
| 02:41.56 | mathias64 | did you change video drivers? or from xfree86 to x.org? |
| 02:41.58 | Gnurdux | should I try running GL stuff on Winblows |
| 02:42.07 | deadcat | Gnurdux: sure |
| 02:42.07 | Gnurdux | mathias64, etch still uses xfree86 |
| 02:42.28 | beardy | deadcat: The chars you had trouble seeing with (U ? |
| 02:42.29 | mathias64 | how should i know? I have had xorg for so long i forget. |
| 02:42.31 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: except that it doesn't |
| 02:42.38 | Gnurdux | it doesnt? |
| 02:42.43 | nitinshantharam | how do i access swat for samba |
| 02:42.43 | Gnurdux | when did it get Xorg? |
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| 02:42.45 | SerajewelKS | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 02:42.50 | deadcat | beardy: echo ^Nqqqqqqqq^0 |
| 02:42.55 | sciboy | Hey guys, can't get cups to start up at all. |
| 02:42.55 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 (etch), Packaged size: 5598 kB, Installed size: 15812 kB |
| 02:42.56 | Gnurdux | nitinshantharam, it needs to be seperately installed |
| 02:42.58 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: several months ago |
| 02:43.04 | nitinshantharam | gnurdux i installed it |
| 02:43.08 | Gnurdux | its not yet default |
| 02:43.08 | sciboy | Lappy:/home/sciboy# cupsd -f |
| 02:43.08 | sciboy | cupsd: symbol lookup error: cupsd: undefined symbol: cups_strlcpy |
| 02:43.09 | benjamindees | ryanium, so the output at 800x600 is smaller than the lcd screen? |
| 02:43.14 | SerajewelKS | !info xserver-xfree86 etch |
| 02:43.14 | Gnurdux | nitinshantharam, you have to run it somehow |
| 02:43.19 | nitinshantharam | gnurdux i tried localhost:901 but it didnt work |
| 02:43.20 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (transitional package for moving from xfree86 to X.Org), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 (etch), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 02:43.20 | Gnurdux | i havent used it for a while |
| 02:43.23 | mathias64 | gnurdux, if top shows Xorg then you have x.org. run top and move the mouse around |
| 02:43.27 | nitinshantharam | gnurdux: obviously. |
| 02:43.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: except that it is the default |
| 02:43.28 | Gnurdux | so i dont remember how |
| 02:43.31 | ryanium | benjamindees, no it fits my screen, but i would like a higher resolution |
| 02:43.34 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: XFree86 doesn't exist in etch |
| 02:43.38 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.50 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: how long has it been since you dist-upgraded |
| 02:43.53 | benjamindees | ryanium, what is the notebook model? |
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| 02:43.56 | Gnurdux | a couple days |
| 02:44.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: and have you rebooted or killed X? |
| 02:44.07 | Gnurdux | prolly a week and a half |
| 02:44.10 | Gnurdux | ya |
| 02:44.10 | beardy | deadcat: echo ^Nqqqqqqqq^0 ? Is that correct, or am I seeing it wrong even now? |
| 02:44.14 | ryanium | benjamindees, dell latitude |
| 02:44.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: then you're not using etch, or something is borked with your setup |
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| 02:44.37 | deadcat | beardy: ^N is control N |
| 02:44.51 | beardy | deadcat: Oh |
| 02:45.19 | drivamgr2006 | hi again. one more quick question - i need one particular program for debian, i have found a .deb for it, but it needs a load of stuff i cannot find for sarge. Can I get apt-get to install all the depends at the same time as the package itself? |
| 02:45.21 | Gnurdux | Mikey:/home/gnurdux# apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:45.21 | Gnurdux | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:45.21 | Gnurdux | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 02:45.21 | Gnurdux | Calculating upgrade... Done |
| 02:45.21 | Gnurdux | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| 02:45.41 | Gnurdux | sorry |
| 02:45.48 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: #flood |
| 02:45.50 | Gnurdux | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 02:45.50 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.58 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: yup |
| 02:46.00 | Gnurdux | but dist upgrade now says xorg is going to be installed |
| 02:46.03 | Gnurdux | your timing is right |
| 02:46.09 | Gnurdux | maybe it will fix |
| 02:46.11 | Gnurdux | lets go |
| 02:46.13 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: maybe you had xfree86 held |
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| 02:46.23 | Gnurdux | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 02:46.23 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.27 | Gnurdux | thats all thats held |
| 02:46.34 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: because X.org has been in etch, and has been the default for well over two months |
| 02:46.36 | Gnurdux | and xfree86 is also getting upgraded |
| 02:46.46 | Gnurdux | i havent dist-upgraded for a couple weeks |
| 02:46.52 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: the xfree86 package is a dummy package |
| 02:47.01 | sciboy | cupsd: symbol lookup error: cupsd: undefined symbol: cups_strlcpy |
| 02:47.09 | Gnurdux | so will it automatically switch my default X to Xorg? |
| 02:47.14 | Gnurdux | mayeb this will fix my prob |
| 02:47.18 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: yes, you'll probably need to edit xorg.conf too |
| 02:47.45 | Gnurdux | or use debconf |
| 02:47.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: right |
| 02:48.02 | Gnurdux | debconf for X is very powerful (and awesome of course) :D |
| 02:48.09 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: if by "several weeks" you mean "more than fifteen week" that might explain it |
| 02:48.15 | Gnurdux | i odnt tho |
| 02:48.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: or more... i've had xorg for a long time |
| 02:48.23 | Gnurdux | i dist-upgraded les than a month ago |
| 02:48.34 | Gnurdux | wierd |
| 02:48.48 | deadcat | i dist-upgrade few mins ago |
| 02:48.52 | Gnurdux | since i use testing, im in the habit of always doing dist-upgrade |
| 02:48.57 | Gnurdux | im doing dist-upgrade now :D |
| 02:48.58 | RoundQube | anyone know why the debian installer keeps choosing sdb as the main drive to install to? it will not let me install to sda |
| 02:49.01 | Gnurdux | 52% [102 libxkbui1 0/189kB 0%] 158kB/s 5m34s |
| 02:49.05 | deadcat | Gnurdux: becareful. |
| 02:49.11 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 02:49.24 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: testing is going through a C++ transition again |
| 02:49.30 | Gnurdux | uh oh |
| 02:49.33 | deadcat | Gnurdux: upgrade first. then dist-upgrade |
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| 02:49.34 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: i haven't dist-upgraded in about a month |
| 02:49.43 | Gnurdux | will this bork by system ? :(( |
| 02:49.49 | Gnurdux | * my |
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| 02:49.50 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: possibly, do you use KDE? |
| 02:49.54 | deadcat | yes |
| 02:49.55 | Gnurdux | i dont use it |
| 02:50.02 | Gnurdux | i have it,. but i use gnome |
| 02:50.02 | mcquaid | hello, if i add a user to sudoers, is there a way to limit or exclude some paths that they can access? I want to keep each users home only readable by them |
| 02:50.05 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: then you might be spared some of the gory details |
| 02:50.12 | sciboy | cupsd: symbol lookup error: cupsd: undefined symbol: cups_strlcpy |
| 02:50.12 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: but lots of things are broken right now |
| 02:50.14 | Gnurdux | is KDe all that is dying? |
| 02:50.15 | Gnurdux | fuck |
| 02:50.22 | Gnurdux | should I have done upgrade instead? |
| 02:50.33 | SerajewelKS | mcquaid: not really |
| 02:50.35 | Gnurdux | i guess its too late now |
| 02:50.46 | Gnurdux | will my compy boot, and run gnome? |
| 02:50.49 | Gnurdux | and xchat? |
| 02:50.53 | SerajewelKS | mcquaid: if you give someone sudo access, you should be trusting them with your whole box |
| 02:51.02 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: possibly |
| 02:51.06 | Gnurdux | and C++ programs that I have made? |
| 02:51.11 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: you might need to reconfigure X.org |
| 02:51.30 | Gnurdux | apt-get is having my do that automatically |
| 02:51.39 | Gnurdux | xserver-xorg config warning: Migrating xserver-xfree86 debconf values to |
| 02:51.40 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.41 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: good, then you should be able to boot |
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| 02:51.44 | mcquaid | well i want users on this box to all be able to update software or configure hardware, but keeping each users homes private would be nice |
| 02:51.52 | Gnurdux | what about C++ programs which I have made? |
| 02:51.57 | Gnurdux | will they run? |
| 02:51.59 | deadcat | xorg 7.0 is out. hope gravity is working on that |
| 02:52.06 | SerajewelKS | mcquaid: why do you need everyone to upgrade software? |
| 02:52.15 | SerajewelKS | mcquaid: sounds like a major security hole to me |
| 02:52.18 | colk | mcquaid, you are essentially giving them root |
| 02:52.25 | mathias64 | mcquaid: you could allow the sudo users a very very limited set of commands. like only aptitude. but even giving them an editor will allow them to read anyone else's files. |
| 02:52.30 | Gnurdux | SerajewelKS, whats broken right now? |
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| 02:52.33 | Gnurdux | i need to know |
| 02:52.41 | SerajewelKS | mcquaid: giving them aptitude/apt-get access is suicide |
| 02:52.46 | Gnurdux | since I need to be running a C++ program that I wrote |
| 02:52.48 | mcquaid | ya reading a little i see you can make a whitelist of programs |
| 02:52.50 | Gnurdux | so will it run? |
| 02:52.52 | SerajewelKS | mcquaid: they could install packages from anywhere |
| 02:52.54 | Gnurdux | whats borked!!! |
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| 02:53.03 | SerajewelKS | mcquaid: meaning that they could install a rootkit they made |
| 02:53.04 | mathias64 | i didn't see hte part where you were giving this to all users. that is suicide, i agree |
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| 02:53.17 | Gnurdux | :((( will someone answer? |
| 02:53.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: i don't know exactly. there's a c2 -> c2a transition going on |
| 02:53.27 | Gnurdux | c2 -> c2a? |
| 02:53.31 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: from what i can tell, KDE suffers the most from it, but your programs should be fine |
| 02:53.34 | Gnurdux | whats c2 and whats c2a? |
| 02:53.40 | Gnurdux | even if they are in C++ |
| 02:53.46 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: yes |
| 02:53.46 | Gnurdux | will STL be busted? |
| 02:53.47 | mathias64 | prsumably abi versions of g++ |
| 02:53.50 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: unlikely |
| 02:54.02 | SerajewelKS | mathias64: isn't the abi deal over? |
| 02:54.20 | Gnurdux | and will gnome run? |
| 02:54.23 | mathias64 | i dunno. i use unstable, and i never ran into it. i upgraded my pentium laptop this week and had no problems |
| 02:54.31 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: probably |
| 02:54.40 | Gnurdux | probably :(( |
| 02:54.43 | ryanium | benjamindees |
| 02:54.45 | Gnurdux | fuck |
| 02:54.50 | ryanium | benjamindees sorry my pm did not send |
| 02:54.55 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: if it doesn't work, it doesn't work |
| 02:54.58 | ryanium | benjamindees, i have to register lol |
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| 02:55.27 | Gnurdux | hmm does anyone know about this issue? |
| 02:55.33 | Gnurdux | cause its very important for me |
| 02:55.40 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: getting upset about it before you even try to reboot isn't going to get you anywhere |
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| 02:55.53 | Gnurdux | SerajewelKS, the upgrade hasntr finished |
| 02:55.55 | benjamindees | ryanium, /msg nickserv help register |
| 02:55.55 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: all i know is that some stuff is borked. reboot, and if you have problems, then we can try to work around them. |
| 02:55.59 | Gnurdux | i have it in ^Z mode |
| 02:56.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: well then let it finish, and reboot =P |
| 02:56.11 | ryanium | trying to recover pw lol |
| 02:56.12 | Gnurdux | and if it is borked, than I am in deep shit |
| 02:56.23 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: why |
| 02:56.24 | Gnurdux | since it hasnt actually installed anything, i can keep on working now |
| 02:56.27 | Gnurdux | until it is fixed |
| 02:56.30 | Gnurdux | then reboot |
| 02:56.42 | Gnurdux | if it is borked, that will cause me trouble |
| 02:56.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: what packages is it upgrading? is it removing any packages? |
| 02:56.46 | Gnurdux | so ill wait until later |
| 02:56.54 | Gnurdux | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 02:56.55 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.59 | ryanium | benjamindees, could you join #temp123 please? |
| 02:57.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: okay, that's the c2 -> c2a transition. it should be installing c2a versions of those packages |
| 02:57.50 | Gnurdux | now what is c2a? |
| 02:58.03 | Gnurdux | and c2? |
| 02:58.09 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: i'm not sure exactly |
| 02:58.14 | Gnurdux | its really important what this will bork |
| 02:58.18 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: some binary compatibility thing iirc |
| 02:58.19 | Gnurdux | all of those are C++ packages |
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| 02:58.36 | Myon | C++ changed its memory allocator |
| 02:58.40 | Myon | or something like that |
| 02:58.48 | Gnurdux | wonderful |
| 02:59.06 | Gnurdux | Myon, what will this bork? |
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| 02:59.13 | Gnurdux | here is what I need to know: |
| 02:59.16 | Gnurdux | GTK apps |
| 02:59.37 | Gnurdux | and C++ apps that I wrote, using only standard C++ calls, and no graphics |
| 02:59.42 | Myon | are you running etch? |
| 02:59.43 | hans0lo | Anyone know of an app/script that will search and compare files in a folder to find duplicates (ex. for a lot of mp3s) |
| 02:59.47 | Gnurdux | Myon, yes |
| 02:59.56 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: md5sum =) |
| 02:59.59 | Myon | then try to pick packages from unstable |
| 03:00.03 | Gnurdux | i have dist-upgrade pasued, just before it started the real upgrade |
| 03:00.12 | Gnurdux | cause someone said somehting abotu borking C++ stuff |
| 03:00.16 | Gnurdux | Myon, i dont use KDE |
| 03:00.32 | Myon | but you are on your own there, testing is in flux atm |
| 03:00.33 | jpablo | Gnurdux: if you don't want anything borked use stable, that's what it is for |
| 03:00.36 | Gnurdux | i just need to know: will it kill my C++ progs, and will it kill gnome, xchat, firefox etc |
| 03:00.38 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: you can try something like: find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum | sort > files.txt |
| 03:00.47 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: then open files.txt and look for duplicate md5sums |
| 03:00.49 | Gnurdux | jpablo, etch has never been borked before |
| 03:00.52 | Myon | Gnurdux: usually I recommend to use stable + chroots for other stuff |
| 03:00.53 | Gnurdux | not this majorly right? |
| 03:01.01 | jpablo | Gnurdux: so what ? |
| 03:01.08 | Gnurdux | ill just leave my upgrade paused |
| 03:01.09 | colk | etch is testing which means it might break at any time |
| 03:01.20 | jpablo | Gnurdux: testing CAN bork. stable don't, if you don't want anything borked ever use stable, otherwise live with it. |
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| 03:02.04 | Gnurdux | agh |
| 03:02.18 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: or something like: find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum | sort | uniq -d |
| 03:02.19 | Gnurdux | well all i want to know right now is what will be borked |
| 03:02.25 | mathias64 | http://people.debian.org/~djpig/gcc-transition/ |
| 03:02.47 | Myon | Gnurdux: subscribe to debian-devel-announce |
| 03:02.52 | FourierSeries | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.08 | jpablo | Gnurdux: they only way to know is upgrade and see. |
| 03:03.12 | mathias64 | FourierSeries: they should all be using unstable like me :) |
| 03:03.16 | hans0lo | SerajewelKS: thats a good idea. Tks |
| 03:03.17 | jpablo | Gnurdux: if you don't want anything borked don't upgrade. |
| 03:03.25 | mathias64 | sage advice |
| 03:03.27 | Gnurdux | well whats expected to be borked |
| 03:03.35 | colk | im using etch right now |
| 03:03.38 | benjamindees | oh, no, haven't you heard, Testing is the new Stable! |
| 03:03.44 | colk | quite by accident |
| 03:03.47 | FourierSeries | mathias64: Indeed? ;-) |
| 03:03.56 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: np |
| 03:04.03 | colk | i left testing as my dist after sarge |
| 03:04.09 | mathias64 | Gnurdux: it's not that packages will be broken, its that thing won't install, or won't have the right dependancies and so will be removed. if you can install gnome then it has the right libraries and should run |
| 03:04.27 | Gnurdux | mathias64, ahhhh |
| 03:04.31 | Myon | now that's backports.org is working, sarge is actually very fine |
| 03:04.40 | Gnurdux | well all thats getting removed is a 4 packages ma |
| 03:04.40 | Myon | (I'm just now backporting stuff) |
| 03:04.42 | Gnurdux | * mathias64 |
| 03:04.46 | mathias64 | some people try to upgrade to find that a large number of packages are uninstalled |
| 03:04.52 | Gnurdux | does that possibly mean im not busted? |
| 03:04.57 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: hrm, uniq -d won't do it |
| 03:05.06 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: just pipe it to a file and examine it manually |
| 03:05.08 | Gnurdux | Calculating upgrade... Done |
| 03:05.08 | Gnurdux | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 03:05.08 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.13 | colk | im keeping stable on my real server |
| 03:05.15 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: forgot that uniq looks at the whole line =/ |
| 03:05.25 | Gnurdux | mathias64, does that mean i can go throguh with the upgrade> |
| 03:05.29 | SerajewelKS | hrm, any idea why CTRL+D would not be working anymore? |
| 03:05.43 | SerajewelKS | if i type 'cat' and then CTRL+D, nothing happens |
| 03:05.52 | hans0lo | SerajewelKS: k, I'll just script it in perl.. |
| 03:05.53 | colk | what did it do before? |
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| 03:06.09 | SerajewelKS | colk: ^D sends EOF to the connected pipe |
| 03:06.14 | colk | oh |
| 03:06.23 | SerajewelKS | colk: and it seems to work on a VT, but not from konsole, which is weird |
| 03:06.23 | mathias64 | I would cancel the current process with control-c, and then look inside aptitude at the packages you are fond of to see if they are being updated, kept the same, or have problems |
| 03:06.37 | FourierSeries | SerajewelKS: <caps lock> is on? |
| 03:06.42 | SerajewelKS | colk: hrm.. or just this instance of konsole. weird. |
| 03:06.48 | colk | lol |
| 03:06.59 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: caps lock does not affect CTRL+_ |
| 03:07.00 | Myon | borked stty settings? |
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| 03:07.22 | SerajewelKS | Myon: on every shell running in this konsole? unlikely |
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| 03:07.57 | mathias64 | note that this is just an issue for platforms like i386 that aren't already on g++ 4 |
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| 03:08.23 | SerajewelKS | FourierSeries: yup |
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| 03:09.29 | colk | I can get rid of an 80 gig and put it in comp3 |
| 03:09.35 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: i wrote something a while back that did a similar thing for images, but it would load images and heuristically try to guess if the images were the same. it wouldn't be fooled by different size, contrast, or brightness, and it's had 100% success in my tests of it. |
| 03:09.38 | colk | which is my homeserver |
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| 03:10.29 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you mean .. you used md5sum ? :) |
| 03:10.46 | samid | ive got a fault with my SATA ... at boot up it says irq 217 Nobody cared |
| 03:10.47 | snowgeese | how do i get alsa to detect new sound card? |
| 03:10.57 | abrotman | alsaconf |
| 03:11.07 | samid | tried noirqdebug and irqpoll params but still no luck |
| 03:11.11 | benjamindees | has anyone compiled the latest wine on Sarge? |
| 03:11.12 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: uhm, no |
| 03:11.15 | sifi | how can I kill gmplayer? |
| 03:11.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: some Perl image-loader |
| 03:11.18 | mathias64 | samid ? |
| 03:11.24 | SerajewelKS | sifi: killall -KILL gmplayer |
| 03:11.26 | mathias64 | sifi: with kill |
| 03:11.27 | hans0lo | SerajewelKS: cool -- what language you use? perl? |
| 03:11.32 | samid | mathias64: mathias? |
| 03:11.34 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: yeah |
| 03:11.43 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: it wasn't very fast, but it worked =) |
| 03:11.48 | mathias64 | it says ``irq 217 Nobody cared'' |
| 03:11.50 | sifi | SerajewelKS, thx |
| 03:11.54 | hans0lo | SerajewelKS: I love perl. |
| 03:12.12 | samid | mathias64: ?? huh? |
| 03:12.17 | hans0lo | SerajewelKS: if perl were only a gerl |
| 03:12.24 | mathias64 | i don't understand your question about your sata problem |
| 03:13.38 | colk | has anyone had any experience with onboard sound recently |
| 03:13.48 | samid | mathias64: at boot up when the sata driver loads i get msg saying |
| 03:13.56 | abrotman | colk: that's a horribly formed question |
| 03:14.06 | samid | mathias64: irq 217 nobody cared....disabling irq 217 |
| 03:14.12 | mathias64 | colk: i have |
| 03:14.13 | snowgeese | also not finding card |
| 03:14.30 | colk | Ok with a Nforce 3 chipset would it better to use the Onboard or my creative Audigy |
| 03:15.05 | snowgeese | yeah its good son on nvda and cheeper than audigy |
| 03:15.08 | SerajewelKS | hans0lo: you need to get out more |
| 03:15.12 | look | btw. what's the point of /sbin/ && /usr/sbin and most of the files in them being o+x or o+rx? isn't files in these directories used only for administrative purposes? |
| 03:15.25 | colk | it also apprently has 8 channels |
| 03:15.27 | snowgeese | any ideas? |
| 03:15.28 | mathias64 | samid: i dunno. have you checked whether other people had luck with your sata controller? are you using sata fakeraid? |
| 03:15.39 | SerajewelKS | look: /sbin is for "standard" OS admin stuff, /usr/sbin is for extra stuff |
| 03:15.54 | SerajewelKS | look: and anyone can use them because in order to make some of the syscalls required you need root anyway |
| 03:16.05 | SerajewelKS | look: i.e. /sbin/ifconfig -- anyone can use that to view the settings, but not change them |
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| 03:16.15 | look | serajewelks, ah. :) ok |
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| 03:16.22 | mathias64 | look: they are for admin purposes, but they are made readable and executable anyway. If you aren't root they probably won't be able to do anything beause of unix permissions |
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| 03:16.37 | look | mathias, ok thanks :) |
| 03:16.37 | mathias64 | ifconfig is a real pain -- it ought to be in /bin. |
| 03:16.45 | SerajewelKS | mathias64: agreed |
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| 03:16.54 | Guerin | why? |
| 03:16.57 | colk | why its a system binary not a standard binary |
| 03:17.17 | Guerin | nobody who can't type /sbin/ifconfig should be allowed to use it |
| 03:17.18 | zinx | mathias64: add /sbin to your path |
| 03:17.22 | mathias64 | colk: if it can be run by an unpriveledged user for a reasonable purpose it should be in bin or /usr/bin |
| 03:17.31 | mathias64 | /usr/bin/dpkg /usr/bin/aptitude for example |
| 03:18.03 | mathias64 | zinx: the pain came when they took sbin out of the default path for woody |
| 03:18.20 | colk | how hard is it to put it back in the path? |
| 03:18.28 | mathias64 | that's when everyone noticed that ifconfig is in sbin instead of bin |
| 03:18.44 | SerajewelKS | colk: it's not how hard is it.. it's why is it not there by default |
| 03:18.47 | mathias64 | it's easy, but i don't want sbin in my path, just ifconfig. |
| 03:19.12 | kittenbot | then just put a symlink to it in ~/bin :P |
| 03:19.14 | colk | its standard for it to be in /sbin |
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| 03:19.49 | mathias64 | colk: that's why it has to stay there. but the ``right'' place for it is /bin since it is a standard command for a nonroot user |
| 03:20.20 | abrotman | mathias64: file a bug .. stop bitching |
| 03:20.25 | colk | its not a standard command for a non root user a nonroot user dosent need to know the ip address |
| 03:20.34 | mathias64 | colk : ? |
| 03:21.07 | look | i assume all files in /bin and /usr/bin are then o+rx |
| 03:21.12 | colk | good luck getting it fixed |
| 03:21.26 | mathias64 | abrotman: there are too many scripts with /sbin/ifconfig hardwired in to change it. Why is /usr/lib/sendmail in /usr/lib .... |
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| 03:21.33 | mathias64 | look: yes |
| 03:21.36 | abrotman | mathias64: file a bug .. stop bitching |
| 03:21.39 | colk | ifconfigs standard place is in /sbin |
| 03:21.43 | look | mathias, ok :) |
| 03:21.46 | colk | on *bsd |
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| 03:21.48 | colk | as well |
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| 03:21.59 | rendi | gzip: chiqa is a directory -- ignored |
| 03:21.59 | mathias64 | abrotman... there was a lot of bitching when the path changed, as you probably remember. we got used to typing /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:22.03 | rendi | can help me sir ? |
| 03:22.17 | CE^17_yk | alowwwwwwwwww |
| 03:22.18 | abrotman | mathias64: so file a bug .. get the patch changed back |
| 03:22.31 | colk | rendi, exactly what it says |
| 03:22.42 | mathias64 | abrotman: the path shouldn't be changed back. I agree that there are good reasons for sbin to not be inthe default path. |
| 03:22.45 | abrotman | mathias64: erm .. path :) |
| 03:22.49 | colk | use tar -cvzf file.tar dir |
| 03:22.51 | malenfant | quick question: does udev replace hotplug, or are the two meant to co-exist? (using unstable) |
| 03:22.56 | colk | gzip only works on one file |
| 03:23.12 | britt | what does tunez use as a frontend? |
| 03:23.13 | colk | use tar -cvzf file.tar.gz dir |
| 03:23.15 | colk | rather |
| 03:23.16 | colk | :P |
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| 03:23.39 | SerajewelKS | malenfant: the udev package conflicts with hotplug |
| 03:23.44 | rendi | colk can i use with multiple dir ? |
| 03:23.49 | SerajewelKS | malenfant: does it's not possible for them to coexist |
| 03:23.50 | colk | yes |
| 03:23.58 | rendi | oh thanks |
| 03:23.58 | colk | as long as the first argument is a file |
| 03:24.01 | SerajewelKS | malenfant: s/does/so/ |
| 03:24.09 | mathias64 | malefant: the newest udev apparently includes hotplug and conflicts with the package named hotplug |
| 03:24.10 | malenfant | SerajewelKS: so I have both installed, which should I be using? |
| 03:24.18 | abrotman | mathias64: and yeah .. colk is right .. why would a non-root person need IP or TX info etc ... |
| 03:24.26 | SerajewelKS | malenfant: O_o.. afaik it's not possible for both to be installed |
| 03:24.33 | malenfant | mathias64: OK, I'll use that and remove hotplug |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | mathias64: doesn't include hotplug .. it does hotplugs job .. poorly |
| 03:24.44 | mathias64 | abrotman: because when you are setting up networking you don't want to su just to find out the ip address. |
| 03:24.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: possibly for binding servers to a specific ip |
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| 03:24.46 | CE^17_yk | alow |
| 03:24.51 | mathias64 | abrotman: fair enough |
| 03:24.53 | sifi | does anyone know how I can ripp mp3 radio streams? |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | mathias64: how are you going to setup networking without being root ? |
| 03:25.00 | CE^17_yk | alow |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | CE^17_yk: WHAT? |
| 03:25.12 | malenfant | SerajewelKS: they are, although I think apt reported a conflict at some point |
| 03:25.31 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: binding what servers ? |
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| 03:25.44 | mathias64 | you might be trying to ssh into the host, or ftp into it. Or you might want port forwarding under ssh. you can do a lot of networking without being root. |
| 03:25.57 | sifi | ripp radio through xmms |
| 03:26.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: like game servers, file transfer servers... etc. if a non-root user wants them bound to a specific ip, he has to know the ip, correct? |
| 03:26.18 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: we're not saying he can't run it .. it's just not in his default path |
| 03:26.18 | rendi | error colk |
| 03:26.19 | rendi | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 03:26.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: indeed. then why is dpkg in there? a non-root user doesn't need to know the state of the package database, does he? |
| 03:26.57 | mathias64 | abrotman: my statement of principle is that programs that have a reasonable use by nonroot users go in bin or /usr/bin. like dpkg, apt-get, and aptitude, none of which is in sbin. |
| 03:27.01 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: dpkg -L <pkgname> ? |
| 03:27.08 | abrotman | dpkg -S <pkgname> ? |
| 03:27.08 | dpkg | You Fool! <pkgname> is installed! |
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| 03:27.13 | abrotman | dpkg: shut the hell up |
| 03:27.13 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 03:27.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: right. that can be as useful as ifconfig. |
| 03:27.24 | colk | lol |
| 03:27.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: but you still haven't filed a bug ? |
| 03:27.36 | abrotman | it apparently doesn't bother you that much |
| 03:27.43 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no, because i symlinked it |
| 03:27.48 | abrotman | you lazy bum |
| 03:27.52 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yup |
| 03:27.58 | CE^17_yk | aloooooooooooo |
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| 03:28.05 | abrotman | CE^17_yk: WHAT DO YOU WANT ? |
| 03:28.08 | SerajewelKS | !troll CE^17_yk |
| 03:28.36 | ApEtc | !nickometer CE^17_yk |
| 03:28.37 | dpkg | 'CE^17_yk' is 57.000% lame, apetc |
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| 03:29.21 | CE^17_yk | yk u |
| 03:29.22 | mathias64 | here is what someone said when someone filed a bug about putting ifconfig into the path: And anyway ifconfig is deprecated, everybody should always use iproute |
| 03:29.22 | mathias64 | which *is* in /bin. |
| 03:29.30 | mathias64 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00945.html |
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| 03:29.50 | mathias64 | err http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00941.html |
| 03:30.08 | sciboy | cupsd: symbol lookup error: cupsd: undefined symbol: cups_strlcpy |
| 03:30.38 | abrotman | mathias64: oh .. i've seen that argument before |
| 03:30.40 | CE^17_yk | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 03:30.45 | abrotman | CE^17_yk: SHUT UP |
| 03:30.54 | mathias64 | me too. |
| 03:31.15 | sciboy | Okey, i just downgraded Cupsys, and i'm getting this error after running cupsd -f |
| 03:31.24 | bucky | CE^17_yk: where is Sudirman ? |
| 03:31.26 | aFlag | i downloaded a program and it has a debian directory with a rules script inside it. I suppose there's some debian tool to make it into a package and then install it? |
| 03:31.33 | sciboy | Any help would be greatly appreciate it. |
| 03:31.48 | abrotman | mathias64: and if you check .. some handbook/manual .. it says that ipconfig was deprecated a long time ago |
| 03:32.05 | colk | ipconfig hasnt ever existed in linux |
| 03:32.10 | colk | you mean ifconfig |
| 03:32.11 | colk | :P |
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| 03:32.17 | relic | ? |
| 03:32.23 | mathias64 | yeah, that's in the argument, too. someone points out that ifconfig -a is the only useful way to get that information. |
| 03:32.45 | SerajewelKS | aFlag: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 03:32.56 | raison_ce^yk | aaa |
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| 03:33.01 | relic | colk, so... ipconfig :) |
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| 03:33.49 | abrotman | mathias64: though .i think i broke my system ... i have no iproute in my path |
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| 03:34.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: me neither, probably 'cause i don't have it installed |
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| 03:34.11 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: but i do |
| 03:34.21 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: time for a --reinstall? |
| 03:34.23 | kittenbot | /bin/ip |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | no |
| 03:34.36 | abrotman | i do have routel |
| 03:34.43 | abrotman | i have the iproute package |
| 03:34.45 | bucky | sciboy: is there a reason you're not starting it with /etc/init.d/cupsys start ?? |
| 03:34.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: wait, so do i |
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| 03:35.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: /bin/ip ? |
| 03:35.14 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: dpkg -L iproute | grep bin |
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| 03:35.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes |
| 03:35.48 | sciboy | bucky: I did. |
| 03:35.52 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i don't see iproute in there, but i do see /bin/ip |
| 03:35.59 | sciboy | bucky: "Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited with status 127!" |
| 03:36.04 | abrotman | stupid lying email writers! |
| 03:36.09 | sciboy | bucky: I thought a proper error message would be more useful. |
| 03:36.12 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hah |
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| 03:36.31 | mathias64 | that was a quote i posted, btw. the point of referencing that discussion is that nobody was saying that ifconfig is not useful for regular people. they were saying that regular people can use something else instead. |
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| 03:36.50 | SerajewelKS | IMO, ip is a bitch to use. ifconfig is considerably more friendly. |
| 03:36.51 | bucky | sciboy: if you're trying to run sarge packages on testing or unstable you'll have problems like that |
| 03:36.57 | Gnurdux | well not only does my stuff still works |
| 03:36.59 | Gnurdux | xorg fixed my FPS |
| 03:37.04 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: woot =) |
| 03:37.10 | bucky | sciboy: is there a reason you downgraded that package? |
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| 03:37.35 | Gnurdux | or i thought it did |
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| 03:37.44 | sciboy | bucky: Because the experimental version didn't work with my printer and eventually started to get similar errors. |
| 03:37.47 | raison_ce^yk | alo yogya |
| 03:37.55 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: are you running distributed-net by any chance? |
| 03:37.59 | sciboy | bucky: So i downgraded and i'm still stuck with that error. |
| 03:38.05 | bucky | sciboy: which printer? |
| 03:38.06 | RandomGuy | How do I create a iso from a dvd? |
| 03:38.10 | sciboy | bucky: Epson C45. |
| 03:38.14 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: that borks my 3D rendering so bad that i wrote a script that pauses dnetc while i'm playing a game |
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| 03:38.32 | Gnurdux | distributed-net? |
| 03:38.36 | Gnurdux | whates that |
| 03:38.36 | sciboy | bucky: For some reason i have been unable to discover, CUPS was unable to detect or connect to the printer. |
| 03:38.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: it's a nonfree package |
| 03:38.44 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: www.distributed.net |
| 03:38.47 | sciboy | bucky: And yet, Mtink and Foomatic had no problem with it. |
| 03:39.08 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: anyway if you don't have it, that's not the problem |
| 03:39.17 | Gnurdux | still doesnt wrok :( |
| 03:39.26 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 03:39.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:39.56 | bucky | sciboy: is that a Stylus Epson Printer? |
| 03:40.04 | Gnurdux | glxgears is going a bit faster, but nto much |
| 03:40.09 | sciboy | bucky: Yup. Or atleast thats what Lsusb says. |
| 03:40.15 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: how many fps |
| 03:40.19 | abrotman | Gnurdux: glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 03:40.19 | sciboy | bucky: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04b8:0005 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus Printer |
| 03:40.25 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: and do you have vsync enabled? |
| 03:40.27 | Gnurdux | 533 frames in 5.0 seconds = 106.600 FPS |
| 03:40.27 | Gnurdux | 712 frames in 5.0 seconds = 142.400 FPS |
| 03:40.27 | Gnurdux | 600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 120.000 FPS |
| 03:40.29 | Gnurdux | vsync? |
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| 03:40.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:40.37 | Gnurdux | whoops |
| 03:40.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: whatever |
| 03:40.45 | bucky | sciboy: do you have foomatic-db-engine |
| 03:40.46 | abrotman | Gnurdux: is that full screen? or in the default window size ? |
| 03:40.51 | sciboy | bucky: Yup. |
| 03:40.53 | Gnurdux | window size |
| 03:40.54 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's a good indication in the abscense of vsync |
| 03:41.08 | SerajewelKS | absence too |
| 03:41.19 | sciboy | bucky: Shouldn't my first concern be getting Cups to start up? |
| 03:41.25 | abrotman | how about `glxinfo | grep -i direct` ? |
| 03:41.40 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: vsync synchronizes the screen updates with the vertical refresh of your monitor |
| 03:41.58 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: so it effectively limits the FPS to 1 frame per monitor scan |
| 03:42.08 | Gnurdux | is it good or not? |
| 03:42.14 | Gnurdux | speeds up or slows down? |
| 03:42.21 | abrotman | Gnurdux: glxinfo | grep -i direct .. what does it say ? |
| 03:42.33 | Gnurdux | direct rendering: No |
| 03:42.33 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: it saves your GPU and CPU from wasting cycles on frames you won't ever see |
| 03:42.44 | abrotman | Gnurdux: and that's why your frame rates suck |
| 03:42.48 | Gnurdux | but BzFlag still runs slow as heck |
| 03:42.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: what card do you have |
| 03:42.54 | Gnurdux | abrotman, how do i fix that |
| 03:42.58 | abrotman | Gnurdux: you don't have DRI at all |
| 03:42.58 | Gnurdux | an integrated one |
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| 03:43.03 | Gnurdux | but it didnt used to be like that |
| 03:43.06 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: that's not an answer. lspci |
| 03:43.10 | Gnurdux | it used to get like 7000 |
| 03:43.14 | Gnurdux | its an i830 |
| 03:43.27 | abrotman | Gnurdux: and which X driver are you using ? |
| 03:43.32 | Gnurdux | i810 |
| 03:43.44 | abrotman | Gnurdux: and did you write the DRI section for the X config ? |
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| 03:43.58 | Gnurdux | i used debconf |
| 03:43.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: drxx doesn't do that? |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: not the first time |
| 03:44.20 | abrotman | !drxx Gnurdux |
| 03:44.20 | dpkg | Gnurdux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:44.30 | Gnurdux | thats ahwat I did |
| 03:44.35 | Gnurdux | thats the command i used |
| 03:44.41 | abrotman | Gnurdux: and did it ask you about the DRI section ? |
| 03:44.42 | Gnurdux | except xserver-xorg |
| 03:44.46 | Gnurdux | no |
| 03:44.54 | Gnurdux | i said to enable DRI tho |
| 03:44.58 | Gnurdux | in the list of modules |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | Section "DRI" |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | EndSection |
| 03:45.12 | Gnurdux | Section "DRI" |
| 03:45.12 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.12 | Gnurdux | EndSection |
| 03:45.18 | Gnurdux | thats down at the bottom ya |
| 03:45.29 | Gnurdux | of the conf |
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| 03:45.39 | bucky | sciboy: and you ran printconf... which driver did you choose? |
| 03:45.43 | Gnurdux | is that good or bad? |
| 03:45.57 | rendi | hi how to close this port ? |
| 03:45.57 | abrotman | Gnurdux: and it still doesn't work ? |
| 03:45.58 | rendi | tcp 0 0 84.244.4.160:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 03:46.07 | Gnurdux | yes it still doesnt work |
| 03:46.12 | abrotman | Gnurdux: then check your Xorg logs .. find the problem |
| 03:46.14 | SerajewelKS | rendi: edit your mysql config file to bind to 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:46.24 | abrotman | rendi: stop using mysql ? or is that mssql |
| 03:46.26 | sciboy | bucky: I haven't run printconf. |
| 03:46.29 | Gnurdux | hehe thats just what I was doing |
| 03:46.38 | SerajewelKS | rendi: binding to localhost is the mysql default, btw, so you either changed it or something weird happened |
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| 03:46.39 | Gnurdux | (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) |
| 03:46.44 | sciboy | bucky: I use the 5.0beta gutenprint drivers. |
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| 03:47.01 | Gnurdux | (II) LoadModule: "dri" |
| 03:47.01 | Gnurdux | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a |
| 03:47.01 | Gnurdux | (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
| 03:47.01 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.01 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.02 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i don't think that's it |
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| 03:47.12 | abrotman | Gnurdux: STOP PASTING |
| 03:47.13 | Gnurdux | sorry ill be more careful |
| 03:47.21 | Gnurdux | did you see what it said> |
| 03:47.31 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: pastebin it |
| 03:47.32 | rendi | oh i see |
| 03:47.34 | Gnurdux | k |
| 03:47.55 | rendi | what abot this this is weird |
| 03:48.04 | SerajewelKS | rendi: if you have a good reason for other people to be using your sql server, leave it open |
| 03:48.06 | rendi | tcp 0 0 202.6.224.178:47382 202.150.64.29:25 ESTABLISHED13778/jBMB0UWQ00131 |
| 03:48.19 | abrotman | that's mail you tard |
| 03:48.21 | sciboy | bucky: Seriously though, unless i can get cupsys running again i won't even be able to test my printer. |
| 03:48.28 | SerajewelKS | rendi: are one of those your ip? |
| 03:48.30 | rendi | that is mail ? |
| 03:48.38 | SerajewelKS | rendi: that is an SMTP connection |
| 03:48.43 | rendi | 202.150.64.29 <= this is not my ip |
| 03:48.44 | Gnurdux | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1391 |
| 03:48.45 | mathias64 | Gnurdux: do you have the right kernel modules installed? |
| 03:48.51 | Gnurdux | mathias64, i should |
| 03:48.55 | SerajewelKS | rendi: okay, so your box is sending mail somewhere |
| 03:49.17 | rendi | i'm use my box for forum |
| 03:49.21 | rendi | i'm install smf |
| 03:49.21 | abrotman | Gnurdux: (WW) I810(0): i830 Kernel module detected, Use the i915 Kernel module instead, aborting DRI init. |
| 03:49.27 | Gnurdux | (II) I810(0): direct rendering: Failed |
| 03:49.33 | abrotman | Gnurdux: on top of all these |
| 03:49.36 | abrotman | mOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 |
| 03:49.37 | abrotman | drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK) |
| 03:49.39 | rendi | mysql apache php4 only that with sendmail |
| 03:49.45 | abrotman | Gnurdux: off to #dri with you :) |
| 03:49.51 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 03:49.56 | Gnurdux | that might explain the prob |
| 03:50.00 | Gnurdux | lemme check my kernel |
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| 03:50.21 | rendi | any answear ? |
| 03:50.27 | mathias64 | Gnudrdux, didn't you read the line that says: i830 Kernel module detected, Use the i915 Kernel module instead, aborting DRI ini |
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| 03:50.35 | mathias64 | that seems clear enough to me |
| 03:50.36 | Gnurdux | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 03:50.57 | mathias64 | no, _kernel_ modules. in /lib/... |
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| 03:51.04 | jeff____ | to stream a video file using vls or some other program, does the video format need to be supported? |
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| 03:51.13 | jeff____ | trying to stream dvr-ms |
| 03:51.17 | SerajewelKS | jeff____: uhm, what do you think? |
| 03:51.18 | jeff____ | i probably worded that poorly |
| 03:51.27 | SerajewelKS | jeff____: probably =) |
| 03:51.39 | Gnurdux | i guess I need a newer kernel |
| 03:51.49 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: or you need the i915 module |
| 03:51.52 | jeff____ | i am bad at wording questions; do i need to have a codec for playback to stream the file to a windows box |
| 03:51.54 | mathias64 | Gnurdux: no, you have to insert the modules. |
| 03:51.54 | Gnurdux | well i have 2.6.8 |
| 03:52.00 | Gnurdux | a custom one |
| 03:52.05 | Gnurdux | and locate i915: |
| 03:52.05 | jeff____ | SerajewelKS: better? |
| 03:52.12 | Gnurdux | gnurdux@Mikey:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8$ locate i915 |
| 03:52.12 | Gnurdux | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 03:52.14 | Gnurdux | lol thats it |
| 03:52.15 | mathias64 | try rmmod i830 and modprobe i915 |
| 03:52.19 | SerajewelKS | jeff____: yeah, i don't know the answer though |
| 03:52.32 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: i see i915 with 2.6.12, but not 2.6.8 |
| 03:52.37 | jeff____ | SerajewelKS: thankls |
| 03:52.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: upgrade to the 2.6.12 kernel |
| 03:52.44 | mathias64 | Gnurdux: no module inder X11 is it. We need kernel modules, not x11 modules |
| 03:52.46 | Gnurdux | k |
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| 03:52.55 | mathias64 | /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i915.ko |
| 03:53.00 | look | hey any idea what this means? kernel: Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c032a520(lo) |
| 03:53.12 | SerajewelKS | mathias64: yeah i've got that (2.6.12 though), but my installed 2.6.8 kernel doesn't show it |
| 03:53.26 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: just apt-get install the 2.6.12 kernel |
| 03:53.31 | mathias64 | i'm just saying, he keeps looking at x11 modules instead of kernel modules. |
| 03:53.31 | Gnurdux | i love make-kpkg |
| 03:53.38 | ryanium | How can I make the switch from xfree86 to xorg? |
| 03:53.39 | Gnurdux | no, i like building from source |
| 03:53.39 | look | i introduced this 'problem' after running MAKEDEV again. :) |
| 03:53.40 | SerajewelKS | mathias64: yeah |
| 03:53.44 | mathias64 | Gnurdux: i bet the stock package has it. mine does. |
| 03:53.44 | SerajewelKS | ryanium: upgrade to etch |
| 03:53.53 | nimak | does vnc do sound? |
| 03:53.58 | SerajewelKS | nimak: no |
| 03:53.59 | ryanium | how is that possible? :o |
| 03:54.01 | mathias64 | ryaniumL just upgrade to testing from stable, or go to backports. |
| 03:54.09 | SerajewelKS | !tell ryanium about sarge->etch |
| 03:54.10 | Gnurdux | i just enjoy it |
| 03:54.11 | Guerin | pcm over network is a good way to pwn your pipe |
| 03:54.39 | ryanium | smart to go from stable to testing? |
| 03:54.41 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: you need a girlfriend or something |
| 03:54.41 | mathias64 | look: no idea on the privacy extensions |
| 03:54.44 | Gnurdux | hell, ill install the stock, then i can build myo wn later |
| 03:54.44 | nimak | guerin,haha |
| 03:54.47 | Gnurdux | im only 13 |
| 03:55.06 | SerajewelKS | ryanium: it's slightly suicidal, but most of the time it's safe. if you don't need it, don't upgrade. |
| 03:55.20 | ryanium | won't upgrade then :) |
| 03:55.28 | nimak | gnurdux: cool |
| 03:55.29 | mathias64 | I think that on modern x86 hardware the days when it made sense to build your own kernel have mostly passed, unless you want bleeding edge drivers |
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| 03:55.47 | SerajewelKS | mathias64: what cpu do you have |
| 03:55.51 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 03:55.56 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: |
| 03:56.00 | mathias64 | pentium ii on the laptop, amd64 on the desktop |
| 03:56.31 | look | mathias, ok. thanks anyway :) |
| 03:56.37 | mathias64 | sure, for embedded systems you would want a custom kernel. |
| 03:56.46 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: do you have 32 or 64 bit? SMP or no SMP? |
| 03:57.16 | Gnurdux | 32bit no SMP |
| 03:57.24 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: what processor |
| 03:57.31 | Gnurdux | i installed kernel-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 03:57.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: good, that's what i was going to tell you =) |
| 03:57.47 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 03:58.00 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: now make sure lilo/grub know about the kernel, reinstall the lilo MBR if using lilo, and reboot |
| 03:58.01 | mathias64 | Gnurdux: make sure you don't remove the old kernel just yet |
| 03:58.07 | Gnurdux | yup |
| 03:58.09 | Gnurdux | i use grub |
| 03:58.13 | Gnurdux | and i have not |
| 03:58.20 | nimak | doesnt apt just do it? |
| 03:58.28 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 03:58.30 | Gnurdux | i think so |
| 03:58.33 | relic | i use grub to go into xbsd.... |
| 03:58.34 | SerajewelKS | nimak: in most cases, yeah.. i usually check anyway |
| 03:58.35 | mathias64 | good. there was a problem with some recent 32bit x86 kernels. no, apt will not remove ld kernels, becaus eyou might need them to boot |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | !fix mathias64's keyboard |
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| 03:59.17 | SerajewelKS | nimak: i don't trust any automated tools when it comes to the kernel or bootloader. if that messes up, it's another 10 minutes of fun booting from a live cd to fix it. |
| 03:59.18 | mathias64 | yeah, i can't type, and i am on the laptop, so between the two it's a mess |
| 03:59.18 | Gnurdux | lemme reboot |
| 03:59.20 | Gnurdux | bbs |
| 03:59.29 | relic | hehe |
| 03:59.58 | nimak | SerajewelKS: i always leave the running kernel there, so i can just boot back to that |
| 04:00.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's not quite right .. for instance .. the recent sarge kernel security updates .. basically replaced the "old" kernel |
| 04:00.38 | SerajewelKS | nimak: well yeah, i don't mean leaving the old kernel around, i mean the bootloader config. i always double-check to make sure it did the right thing. |
| 04:00.44 | colk | what was funny was my apt upgrade was blocked by a old kernel |
| 04:00.52 | colk | and it wouldnt instal the kernel |
| 04:00.54 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: what's not quite right |
| 04:00.54 | colk | either |
| 04:00.55 | mathias64 | the kernel version is part of the package name, so different kernel versions are independent. but a new version of 2.6.8 will replace an old version of 2.6.8 |
| 04:01.09 | mathias64 | a new version of 2.6.14 will not remove 2.6.8 |
| 04:01.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that apt won't remove old kernels |
| 04:01.30 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: never mind .. it was mathias64 :) |
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| 04:01.46 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: oh, well i rarely upgrade the kernel to a different build of the same revision |
| 04:01.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: but i still have my 2.6.8 kernel around in case i decide to do that sometime |
| 04:02.04 | zorzella | anyone here digs sasl? |
| 04:02.08 | mathias64 | he was upgrading from 2.6.8 (or older....) to 2.6.12. since there has been a lingering initrd bug in the 2.6 x86 kernels, i want to make sure he can still boot |
| 04:02.11 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 04:02.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:02.12 | abrotman | digs ? |
| 04:02.13 | stew | SerajewelKS: the 2.6.8-2 just got a security update |
| 04:02.25 | mathias64 | i dig sasl, but sasl just don' dig me |
| 04:02.33 | SerajewelKS | stew: well, good thing that's not my primary kernel then =) |
| 04:02.42 | zorzella | abrotman, "digs" == "understands". I'm having trouble after an upgrade to etch |
| 04:02.51 | abrotman | zorzella: then talk like a normal human |
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| 04:03.00 | abrotman | then you don't have to waste time translating |
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| 04:03.10 | Gnurdux | it works! |
| 04:03.16 | mathias64 | voila! |
| 04:03.16 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: =D |
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| 04:03.23 | Gnurdux | thnx all |
| 04:03.25 | mathias64 | what problem, zorzella |
| 04:03.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: 2.6.12 fixed my joystick woes too |
| 04:03.45 | abrotman | Gnurdux: wrong kernel module being used ? |
| 04:03.45 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: and USB in general. i heard 2.6.8 is a POS with respect to usb, which i can damn well verify. |
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| 04:03.56 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: my USB works fine! |
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| 04:04.05 | zorzella | mathias64, I had it setup with sendmail for SMTP auth, and now it refuses any auth without a meaningful msg in the logs (AFAICS) |
| 04:04.07 | abrotman | oh wait . i'm not using 2.6.8 anymore . .but it did work when i was |
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| 04:04.11 | Gnurdux | sweet! bzflag! |
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| 04:04.31 | nimak | sasl sounds familiar, i just dont remember what it is :-P |
| 04:04.32 | zorzella | mathias64, I've been reading the Cyrus docs, and the sendmail docs, and I just don't get what's wrong |
| 04:04.32 | Gnurdux | 4774 frames in 5.0 seconds = 954.800 FPS |
| 04:04.32 | Gnurdux | 5183 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1036.600 FPS |
| 04:04.37 | Gnurdux | see, look now! |
| 04:04.41 | Gnurdux | a fatcor of 8! |
| 04:04.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: then you are lucky. 2.6.8 doesn't work well with devices constantly being added/removed (e.g. palmpilots syncing), nor my specific model of usb joystick. |
| 04:04.45 | mathias64 | zorzella: hmm. so it could be ssl or sendmail. does regular auth smtp work without tls? |
| 04:04.58 | nimak | Gnurdux: whats that with? |
| 04:04.59 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: yeah, i upgraded to 2.6.12 for bzflag too.. joystick =) |
| 04:05.06 | SerajewelKS | nimak: glxgears |
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| 04:05.19 | nimak | hot damn, im still at 70 |
| 04:05.20 | zorzella | mathias64, I'm local to the box now, so I'm not using SSL. |
| 04:05.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: yeah, but it was the same deal. drivers. |
| 04:05.21 | Gnurdux | i havent been ablke to play bz in 3 months |
| 04:05.28 | Gnurdux | im gonna suck now, even more than i did |
| 04:05.41 | zorzella | mathias64, in fact, I'm quite positive the problem is not sendmail+SASL, but rather SASL itself |
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| 04:05.58 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: i seem to have a knack for FPSes. i used to kick butt at bzflag, not so much anymore, but i own cube most of the time. |
| 04:06.13 | nimak | AH YES, i do have a mailserver that uses sasl |
| 04:06.13 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 04:06.18 | zorzella | mathias64, if I run sasltestsuite, it just barfs right off the bet (not that I know it shouldn't, but it's what I found to test)... |
| 04:06.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: oddly enough i hate halo. the controls suck. |
| 04:06.22 | Gnurdux | how do i check what packages are installed? |
| 04:06.25 | Gnurdux | i wanna remove my old kernel |
| 04:06.27 | mathias64 | hmm. |
| 04:06.30 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: don't |
| 04:06.35 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 04:06.40 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: if something breaks, you need a fallback |
| 04:06.45 | Gnurdux | true |
| 04:06.47 | mathias64 | zorzella, what arch are you on? |
| 04:06.49 | stew | Gnurdux: man dpkg ; /msg dpkg wikifaq PackageManagement |
| 04:06.50 | zorzella | mathias64, I've also tried imtest (after googling a lot), and it also seems to fail |
| 04:06.51 | Gnurdux | nothing wrong with 2 kernels |
| 04:06.58 | zorzella | mathias64, i386 |
| 04:07.06 | Gnurdux | wow not just gl |
| 04:07.09 | Gnurdux | everything runs smoother |
| 04:07.27 | SimonRaven | sasl - when it's behaving - is damned useful |
| 04:07.37 | Gnurdux | hahahah |
| 04:07.41 | Gnurdux | one C++ game i had |
| 04:07.44 | Gnurdux | that i made at cap |
| 04:07.49 | Gnurdux | which doesnt wait at all |
| 04:07.53 | zorzella | mathias64, I tried to use both saslauthd (like I had before) and sasldb as authentication methods, btw |
| 04:07.57 | Gnurdux | now it runs so fast that i cant play it |
| 04:08.19 | zorzella | mathias64, not that I know exactly that I did all it took to switch the methods. |
| 04:08.45 | zorzella | mathias64, is there any simple way to test cyrus sasl by itself? |
| 04:09.12 | mathias64 | zorzella: I haven't heard anything. I don't know of a way to test ssl without testing an application it links to. l would file a bug report with the output of the failing test programs. |
| 04:10.02 | zorzella | mathias64, would you, by any chance, be able to run that same command in a system you have cyrus working right now and tell me what you get? |
| 04:10.16 | nimak | who here has the gigantic nick, i just lost about 300pixels of textspace |
| 04:10.23 | mathias64 | the test command? |
| 04:10.32 | nimak | or just realized |
| 04:10.40 | zorzella | mathias64, yes. sasltestsuite |
| 04:10.44 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: that's why you don't use the framerate for ingame timing =P |
| 04:10.56 | zorzella | mathias64, mine barfs right away with: "Checking plaintext passwords... Failed with: sasl_checkpass() failed on simple case" |
| 04:11.13 | zorzella | mathias64, and, yes, I've googled for that. |
| 04:11.41 | mathias64 | one minute |
| 04:11.47 | nimak | heh, i didnt realize you could drag the little line on xchat |
| 04:12.07 | Gnurdux | it ran at the right speed on my comp |
| 04:12.12 | Gnurdux | and at the camp pentiumn 3's |
| 04:12.36 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: well when you're hitting 1000 fps... |
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| 04:13.19 | Gnurdux | sweet |
| 04:13.26 | Gnurdux | now bz put itself at high qual |
| 04:13.39 | Gnurdux | when i let it re-autodetect |
| 04:13.45 | mathias64 | zorzella: I can't install sasl2-bin right now -- broken deps. that points to a problem somewhere... of course I am on unstable rather than testing |
| 04:13.50 | nimak | will bringing my resolution down a lot hurt my gnome configuration when i bring it back up? |
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| 04:14.58 | zorzella | mathias64, that would still help, though, just to see if that thing is *supposed* to work (or if it requires one to be in a certain folder and whatnot). But, if you can't test it, of course that's ok... |
| 04:15.01 | nimak | anyone know? |
| 04:15.50 | zorzella | mathias64, meanwhile, I'm hosed... No users can send email in my network |
| 04:16.10 | mathias64 | zorzella: hmm. that is a problem. |
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| 04:16.27 | mathias64 | you are on etch/testing? |
| 04:16.33 | zorzella | etch |
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| 04:16.53 | zorzella | mathias64, it was working just fine under sarge... :^< |
| 04:17.12 | mathias64 | they're the same. Yeah, my advice unfortunately is to downgrade those packages back to the sarge versions |
| 04:17.16 | abrotman | !tell root____1 about root |
| 04:17.53 | mathias64 | servers are one place where sticking to stable is worthwile |
| 04:18.18 | zorzella | mathias64, problem is, I'm not quite sure *which* packages to downgrade, though I strongly susspect all the sasl packages (and not sendmail)... |
| 04:18.35 | Guerin | what does an error like: ** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x080aa768 *** |
| 04:18.40 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.42 | Guerin | mean? |
| 04:18.49 | Guerin | err, sorry for pastage |
| 04:18.50 | zorzella | mathias64, and, of course, I'm doubtful I can downgrade those without entering version dependency nightmare... |
| 04:19.12 | mathias64 | zorzella: you can always build from source the sarge versions on your etch machine. |
| 04:19.29 | SimonRaven | means libc detected some erroneous mem freeing or something, and killed it |
| 04:19.45 | zorzella | mathias64, you know, that's not such a bad idea! |
| 04:19.57 | Guerin | SimonRaven: right-o |
| 04:20.07 | mathias64 | apt-get source and apt-get build-dep are your friends here |
| 04:20.21 | mathias64 | but for the older versions you may need to download the source by hand. |
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| 04:20.41 | nimak | ok, x just died |
| 04:20.54 | zorzella | mathias64, you can specify a version with the "=" syntax to apt-get source |
| 04:21.02 | mathias64 | never tried it |
| 04:21.36 | nimak | i just realize that the command line is more awesome than i thought before |
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| 04:21.53 | nimak | i can do everything from it |
| 04:22.13 | nimak | except graphical web |
| 04:22.16 | abrotman | nimak: can you watch flash movies? :) |
| 04:22.21 | mathias64 | yeah, sendmail-bin depends on libsasl, so you that makes it hard to downgrade sasl without downgrading sendmail. at least, you can uninstall sendmail, install the old sasl, and then try to install the newer sendmail |
| 04:23.04 | mathias64 | abrotman: aalib |
| 04:23.16 | abrotman | mathias64: yeah .. if it didn't suck |
| 04:23.25 | abrotman | mathias64: and i'm not sure aalib understands flash |
| 04:23.29 | zorzella | mathias64, you don't know what you're missing. E.g. "apt-cache policy gnubik" will give you a list of all the versions, then "apt-get source gnubik=2.2-2" will get you *that* one |
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| 04:23.56 | SimonRaven | no but you could probably convert it to some ascii art lib (maybe not aalib per se) |
| 04:23.57 | mathias64 | aalib isn't bad if you full-screen an xterm in tiny font. But i don't think it has an X driver |
| 04:24.27 | Elgato15_msn | hello |
| 04:24.50 | Elgato15_msn | speak spanish??? |
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| 04:25.00 | AciD | !es |
| 04:25.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:27.53 | nayyares | do any body have experience in openmosix? i want to install it on kernel 2.6, while the CVS http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/openmosix/linux-openmosix-2_6/ has these files, please tell me how can i install it? |
| 04:28.02 | SimonRaven | do yourself a favour and disconnect from MSN. spyware crap.... |
| 04:28.20 | abrotman | spanish! |
| 04:28.42 | mathias64 | if you can download from cvs, you can install it. put another way: if you don't already know how to install it, you should think carefully before pulling it off cvs |
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| 04:29.02 | SimonRaven | yeh, really |
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| 04:29.31 | nayyares | mathias64, yea i d'nt have experience of installing it from CVS :( |
| 04:30.02 | Elgato15_msn | hello what?s speak? |
| 04:30.10 | nimak | is there any way to scroll up in bitchx? |
| 04:30.21 | SimonRaven | Elgato15_msn: #debian-es |
| 04:30.22 | abrotman | pgup ? |
| 04:30.23 | Guerin | haha, bitchx |
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| 04:30.25 | abrotman | ctrl-pgup ? |
| 04:30.26 | britt | nimak: pageup/pagedown |
| 04:30.29 | mathias64 | nayyares: it's not toomuch differnet from installing from a regular .tgz source archive, except that cvs versions tend to have more bugs, more build problems, and require a lot more makefile kludging in my experience |
| 04:30.31 | abrotman | nimak: apt-get install irssi |
| 04:30.34 | abrotman | nimak: apt-get install irssi-text |
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| 04:30.40 | SimonRaven | nimak: try pgup |
| 04:30.43 | nimak | rhanks britt, abrotman |
| 04:30.48 | nimak | thanks |
| 04:30.53 | SimonRaven | irssi now. v 0.8.10 |
| 04:31.10 | nayyares | is there any command to install from CVS for 2.6 ? |
| 04:31.16 | nimak | screen is awesome |
| 04:31.37 | vasundhar | Any one know to use windowmaker in Deb? |
| 04:31.45 | SimonRaven | irssi-text is a meta-package |
| 04:31.57 | mathias64 | nayyares: there's not a one-shot-does-it-all command. you have to downlaod the source, get the build deps installed, and convince the source to build. then you have to fix the installer and get it ot install. |
| 04:32.03 | SimonRaven | !.xsession |
| 04:32.03 | dpkg | i guess .xsession is : see the "xsession" entry, and/or startx(1) |
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| 04:32.09 | SimonRaven | !xsession |
| 04:32.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 04:32.13 | jeff____ | !debian |
| 04:32.13 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 04:32.18 | SimonRaven | vasundhar: ^^ |
| 04:32.32 | vasundhar | SimonRaven: Tell me |
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| 04:32.38 | vasundhar | I am using Gnome |
| 04:32.44 | mathias64 | i was just using irssi earlier tonight. the docs are shite. |
| 04:32.49 | SimonRaven | read up there ^^ |
| 04:32.58 | nimak2 | mathias64: haha |
| 04:33.00 | britt | nimak: bitchx has security issues |
| 04:33.18 | nimak2 | screw X, im not even gonna try to fix it |
| 04:33.28 | abrotman | britt: no .. it is a security issue :) |
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| 04:33.53 | ryanium | can i just update to xorg with out doing a distupgrade? |
| 04:34.01 | vasundhar | TQ |
| 04:34.19 | sifi | do one use alt+f2 for execute given application in KDE like in GNOME? |
| 04:34.20 | nayyares | mathias64, is it possible that i remove 2.6 kernel and install 2.4 on the same installation? |
| 04:34.32 | ryanium | brb |
| 04:34.49 | mathias64 | nayyares: yes, unless you have hardware that requires 2.6 |
| 04:34.59 | mathias64 | just install a 2.4 kernel image and boot from that |
| 04:35.00 | SimonRaven | sifi: yes |
| 04:35.06 | sifi | SimonRaven, ah |
| 04:35.35 | nimak | eeh, screen just died |
| 04:35.36 | mathias64 | doesn't alt-f2 open the second vt? |
| 04:35.36 | Thaiger | I got cdemu so I can link a bin/cue to a device, but if I point gxine to it it won't play. Any recomendations on a good (s)vcd player |
| 04:35.55 | nimak | i typo'd a key combo |
| 04:36.21 | mathias64 | Thaiger: there aren't so many. |
| 04:36.32 | nimak | be right back |
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| 04:36.37 | [tard] | Hi ryanium. |
| 04:36.51 | nayyares | mathias64, in fact i recently migrated from 2.4 to 2.6 :), i hope doing so will not cause system failure? |
| 04:36.57 | SimonRaven | 23:36 --> Irssi: Stopped moron BitchX message from nimak [68] |
| 04:37.22 | mathias64 | just don't uninstall the 2.6 kernel, and you can always switch back if it doesn't boot in 2.4 |
| 04:38.01 | mathias64 | but there's no reason it shouldn't work |
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| 04:38.28 | ryanium | Can I update from xfree86 to xorg without doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 04:38.35 | abrotman | which versino of debina ? |
| 04:38.36 | [tard] | French fries of course! |
| 04:38.44 | mathias64 | ryanium: look at backports.org |
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| 04:39.19 | ryanium | thx |
| 04:39.54 | nima_ | what do you guys use for command line music, i've just been using mplayer and mpg321 |
| 04:39.56 | Guerin | [tard]: freedom fries |
| 04:40.35 | mathias64 | good evening everyone. i'm gone until next week some time. happy holidays. |
| 04:40.48 | SimonRaven | see ya, take care |
| 04:40.52 | lordnazgul | is there any way to permanently add root to xhost whenever i do xhost local:root it resets after each logout of X. and if i have it in /etc/X0.hosts it doesnt work. |
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| 04:41.51 | SimonRaven | !xhost |
| 04:41.52 | dpkg | methinks xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 04:41.52 | Guerin | !xhost |
| 04:42.02 | SimonRaven | !xauth |
| 04:42.02 | dpkg | ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or really in xbase-clients |
| 04:42.25 | [tard] | sk, you're so right! |
| 04:42.47 | macadamia | I just downloaded gtk-gnutella. What do I do to get it talking to servers and searching? |
| 04:42.49 | lordnazgul | ok then how do i disable xhost. its automatically enabled in etch. i dont even need it. its on a laptop and im only on trusted netowrks with it |
| 04:43.10 | nayyares | mathias64, thank you |
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| 04:50.11 | phooka | !leet |
| 04:50.12 | dpkg | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / |
| 04:50.40 | relic | /* hehe */ |
| 04:52.13 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 04:52.13 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 04:52.15 | [tard] | a TV |
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| 04:53.02 | lordnazgul | can anyone tell me how to permanently disable xhost i cant find it anywhere, or at least help me find out how to do it |
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| 04:54.05 | abrotman | disable ? |
| 04:54.08 | [tard] | I might answer, one day. |
| 04:54.23 | abrotman | [tard]: answer what ? |
| 04:54.26 | [tard] | Rainbows. |
| 04:54.33 | nimak | exit |
| 04:54.35 | nimak | oops |
| 04:54.42 | abrotman | [tard]: are you a crappy bot? |
| 04:54.43 | [tard] | I didn't like it before |
| 04:54.45 | abrotman | [tard]: are you a crappy bot? |
| 04:54.47 | [tard] | Who knows. |
| 04:54.49 | abrotman | [tard]: are you a crappy bot? |
| 04:54.51 | [tard] | i am not at liberty to discuss that |
| 04:55.03 | abrotman | [tard]: do you smell like fish? |
| 04:55.08 | relic | everyone is a bot |
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| 04:55.16 | abrotman | [tard]: are you a crappy bot? |
| 04:55.19 | [tard] | 69 |
| 04:55.25 | [tard] | Would i lie? |
| 04:55.43 | abrotman | [tard]: what color is my underwear? |
| 04:55.51 | nimak | hahaha, what the hell |
| 04:55.58 | abrotman | [tard]: are you a crappy bot? |
| 04:56.01 | _joey | Which motherboard should I buy for 939 socekt amd proc, dfi lanparty or asis a8n32 deeluxe ? |
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| 04:56.12 | abrotman | _joey: ask #hardware |
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| 04:56.28 | look | abrotman, mathias64, i'm off now. most of the system recovered. :) thanks alot for your help! i really appreciate it. |
| 04:56.43 | abrotman | dude ... you're still messing with that? :) |
| 04:56.46 | [tard] | we get signal |
| 04:56.50 | look | abrotman, yeah. ;) |
| 04:57.03 | look | abrotman, a lot of stuff to convert back :) |
| 04:57.05 | [tard] | nice going abrotman |
| 04:57.09 | britt | [tard]: you're a bot? |
| 04:57.09 | _joey | abrotman: they are hybernating n that channel |
| 04:57.11 | [tard] | only with %ruser |
| 04:57.15 | abrotman | _joey: so .. wait? |
| 04:57.20 | _joey | I have |
| 04:57.25 | abrotman | _joey: you're asking the wrong channel |
| 04:57.26 | b14ck | Which package should I add to have an ftp server running? And does it require configuring post-install? |
| 04:57.32 | _joey | for the last hour or so :) |
| 04:57.37 | [tard] | mmmmmm throw |
| 04:57.49 | abrotman | b14ck: proftpd or vsftpd |
| 04:57.56 | britt | [tard]: how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? |
| 04:58.00 | b14ck | Which one is easier to configure? |
| 04:58.05 | [tard] | you should sask Domilijn :) |
| 04:58.10 | abrotman | b14ck: they're both fairly easy |
| 04:58.26 | b14ck | abrotman, which is less complex? |
| 04:58.30 | [tard] | whoknows |
| 04:58.33 | ChrisAlan1992 | 'Is there anybody out there? Is there someone to hear my prayer...' |
| 04:58.37 | abrotman | b14ck: try them both .. |
| 04:58.59 | b14ck | Ok.. Once I apt-get install vsftpd, will it be automatically run every time I boot? |
| 04:59.06 | [tard] | what a silly question *giggle*. poit. |
| 04:59.29 | abrotman | b14ck: maybe .. |
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| 04:59.36 | ChrisAlan1992 | how do I uncorrupt an AES drive? |
| 04:59.44 | b14ck | abrotman, I'm running etch if that makes a difference. |
| 04:59.52 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 04:59.52 | dpkg | hmm... testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
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| 05:04.05 | nayyares | what will be command to create FAT32 parition in a free space? |
| 05:04.14 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat ? |
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| 05:05.10 | ChrisAlan1992 | hello ares |
| 05:05.29 | LinuxNIT-laptop | im running debian sarge but can i install libxml2 from testing with out problems? |
| 05:05.32 | ChrisAlan1992 | hello nayyares |
| 05:05.42 | abrotman | !tell LinuxNIT-laptop about simple sid backport |
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| 05:05.57 | nayyares | abrotman, i want to create 10GB partition in 26GB free space. |
| 05:06.06 | nayyares | ChrisAlan1992, hi, thanks |
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| 05:06.12 | abrotman | nayyares: so you need to partition it first ? |
| 05:06.38 | ChrisAlan1992 | Good to see you are reading me nayyares - got 50 bux to throw at the problem? |
| 05:06.49 | lordnazgul | can anyone tell me how to permanently disable or remove xhost. ar att me in the right direction. this is driving me completely nutz least poin |
| 05:07.07 | nayyares | ChrisAlan1992, :) |
| 05:07.09 | abrotman | why woudl you want to disable it ? |
| 05:07.12 | ChrisAlan1992 | google partitionmagic and buy the program if you do |
| 05:07.25 | nayyares | abrotman, yeah. |
| 05:07.26 | abrotman | ChrisAlan1992: that's the dumbest thing i've heard tonight |
| 05:07.32 | ChrisAlan1992 | Save you a world of headaches |
| 05:07.32 | abrotman | nayyares: fdisk .. or cfdisk |
| 05:07.49 | abrotman | nayyares: the whole drive is blank ? |
| 05:07.57 | ChrisAlan1992 | fdisk = microsoft - does you no good under linux |
| 05:07.58 | lordnazgul | abrotman. because my laptop is only ever on trusted networks, but it drives me nuts to have to xhost + every time i log in. |
| 05:08.05 | abrotman | ChrisAlan1992: shut up |
| 05:08.10 | ChrisAlan1992 | partition magic = cure all |
| 05:08.15 | abrotman | ChrisAlan1992: shut up |
| 05:08.30 | abrotman | lordnazgul: you were told a number of ways to do it |
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| 05:08.45 | nayyares | abrotman, no it contains 10GB "/" , 256MB "swap" 1GB "/home" |
| 05:08.47 | ChrisAlan1992 | Hello Jaring |
| 05:09.03 | lordnazgul | no thats the problem everyone just told me not to use it, well thats the goal. noone told me how, or where i could find out how |
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| 05:09.20 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks abrotman but what line do i change/copy and make deb-src? |
| 05:09.21 | abrotman | nayyares: oh .. but it really is blank space .. well ... as lnog as you're careful .. |
| 05:09.23 | [tard] | the Lord of the Rings |
| 05:09.29 | abrotman | !xauthority |
| 05:09.29 | dpkg | from memory, xauthority is use: xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 05:09.44 | abrotman | LinuxNIT-laptop: doesn't it tell you ? |
| 05:10.01 | abrotman | LinuxNIT-laptop: copy your regular source line .. change stable to unstable .. and change deb to deb-src |
| 05:10.10 | LinuxNIT-laptop | no it just said add a deb-src line |
| 05:10.11 | ChrisAlan1992 | LOTR = Elijah Wood |
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| 05:10.21 | abrotman | god .. what's up with all the fucking idiots ? |
| 05:10.22 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok |
| 05:10.22 | nayyares | abrotman, so you sugest to do it from fdisk? |
| 05:10.23 | Arun333 | hello |
| 05:10.24 | [tard] | No. |
| 05:10.30 | abrotman | nayyares: it should work |
| 05:10.47 | Arun333 | can u install linux from a dvd its dvd contents in you hard disk |
| 05:10.49 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks abrotman |
| 05:10.53 | [tard] | ok |
| 05:10.53 | ChrisAlan1992 | + others |
| 05:10.54 | abrotman | !u |
| 05:10.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 05:10.56 | nayyares | abrotman, ok thanks, i am going to try it :) |
| 05:11.11 | abrotman | nayyares: just don't screw up with fdisk .. :) |
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| 05:11.55 | Arun333 | dpkg:can u install linux from a copy of dvd contents on the hdd |
| 05:12.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 05:12.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:12.27 | SimonRaven | dpkg: what are you |
| 05:12.27 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:12.27 | nayyares | abrotman, then? |
| 05:12.33 | abrotman | nayyares: then what ? |
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| 05:13.16 | nayyares | abrotman, i mean i should create this partion from fdisk or not ? |
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| 05:13.25 | nayyares | abrotman, i am confuz :( |
| 05:13.28 | abrotman | nayyares: yeah .. just don't screw up :) |
| 05:13.53 | Arun333 | nayyares:can i install debian from the contents of the bootable dvd on my hdd |
| 05:14.08 | SimonRaven | !install guide |
| 05:14.08 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 05:14.13 | SimonRaven | Arun333: ^^ |
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| 05:14.38 | ChrisAlan1992 | <[tard]> E. Wood Blog - No BS http://www.greatestjournal.com/users/jedi_student/ |
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| 05:15.01 | abrotman | ChrisAlan1992: do you have a debian question? |
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| 05:15.43 | ChrisAlan1992 | PhilKC - you a Debian user? |
| 05:15.51 | abrotman | FFS .. |
| 05:15.54 | PhilKC | ... |
| 05:15.55 | abrotman | ChrisAlan1992: GO AWAY |
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| 05:16.36 | ChrisAlan1992 | Are you a Debian user or are you tailing me? |
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| 05:16.46 | PhilKC | ... |
| 05:16.54 | abrotman | PhilKC: ignore ChrisAlan1992 .. he's trolling |
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| 05:17.06 | PhilKC | abrotman, Is it chrisbadley? |
| 05:17.10 | Drunken_Irony | But PhilKC doesn't use debian. |
| 05:17.18 | abrotman | PhilKC: /whois ? |
| 05:17.30 | SimonRaven | and add one for Drunken_Irony |
| 05:17.30 | PhilKC | abrotman, i'm a lazy lazy man... |
| 05:17.33 | abrotman | !tell ChrisAlan1992 about gay |
| 05:17.35 | beat1 | hi. i'm having a problem. i'm installing debian with the netinstall cd. i sucessfully installed the base system. and now i'm trying to use apt-get to install to download the other packages from the internet. but i can't use apt-get. i have a dsl router. and i think the network is configured. because i can ping the router and i can ping external ips like www.google.pt |
| 05:17.43 | SimonRaven | even more reason to ignore you, ChrisAlan1992 |
| 05:17.59 | PhilKC | beat1, goes wget work? |
| 05:18.09 | beat1 | i think yes |
| 05:18.12 | abrotman | !tell ChrisAlan1992 about democrats |
| 05:18.16 | beat1 | i did wget www.google.com |
| 05:18.32 | beat1 | and it download the index |
| 05:18.32 | Arun333 | dpkg:is it possible to install debian from the contents ofd the dvd on my hdd |
| 05:18.32 | PhilKC | beat1, check the sources.list beat1... |
| 05:18.40 | SimonRaven | beat1: no kidding. what did you think would happen? |
| 05:18.41 | abrotman | !tell Arun333 about ig |
| 05:18.51 | beat1 | well i'm a newbie |
| 05:18.52 | beat1 | :( |
| 05:18.58 | PhilKC | ChrisAlan1992, and Yes, i am a debian user, no, i'm not stalking you (wtf?) |
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| 05:19.07 | SimonRaven | no excuse to not read man wget |
| 05:19.12 | abrotman | beat1: does apt-get throw an error ? |
| 05:19.15 | beat1 | yes |
| 05:19.19 | abrotman | and it is ? |
| 05:19.27 | ChrisAlan1992 | Drunken_Irony - You a clonebot? I've got elves that make them... |
| 05:19.28 | beat1 | it says testing repositories on debian.security.org |
| 05:19.32 | beat1 | or something like that |
| 05:19.33 | Arun333 | dpkg: :) |
| 05:19.33 | dpkg | well, ) is the smile part of a face. |
| 05:19.38 | nimak | is there any way to change my command line's resolution? |
| 05:19.40 | beat1 | but it cant resolve the debian.security.org |
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| 05:19.44 | Drunken_Irony | ChrisAlan1992: Don't talk about me like that. |
| 05:19.45 | beat1 | it just shows (1.0.0.0) |
| 05:19.47 | PhilKC | beat1, nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:19.50 | SimonRaven | Arun333: um, dpkg is a bot here |
| 05:20.04 | psychonate | SimonRaven, aw, why'd you have to tell him? :( |
| 05:20.12 | beat1 | PhilKC i think my problem is not from the sources |
| 05:20.16 | Arun333 | simonraven:u mean its a program |
| 05:20.21 | SimonRaven | because it's starting to get annoying instead of funny |
| 05:20.31 | ChrisAlan1992 | ok Drunken_Irony - That means you are 1 user at 1 terminal... 'Let me put you on the game...' - The Game |
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| 05:20.49 | SimonRaven | IMO |
| 05:21.30 | beat1 | PhilKC but in my sources.list there are 3 lines which are all commented.. |
| 05:21.36 | ChrisAlan1992 | SimonRaven - Many Praises to the Lords of the Sea |
| 05:21.43 | relic | s/game/wine :) |
| 05:22.00 | nimak | !tell Arun333 about u |
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| 05:22.03 | ChrisAlan1992 | May nautilus guide you through the Perfect Storm |
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| 05:22.20 | beat1 | also i tried changing the nameserver in my resolv.conf which is set to 192.168.1.1 (my router's ip) to the my isp's dns server. but when i reboot it reverts to 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:22.21 | beat1 | :( |
| 05:22.42 | PhilKC | beat1, all the sources.list lines are comented? |
| 05:22.58 | ChrisAlan1992 | Think I should name my next revision Kojo Jr. ? |
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| 05:23.03 | beat1 | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 05:23.16 | PhilKC | care to uncomment the last two (leaving the cd drive commented) please |
| 05:23.32 | beat1 | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 ... |
| 05:23.43 | Azar | alsa is not loaded at bootup how do I start it? |
| 05:24.13 | ChrisAlan1992 | Think I'll buy a diplomatic SUV... someday |
| 05:24.20 | beat1 | i dont know why this is happening |
| 05:24.27 | beat1 | i installed slackware recently |
| 05:24.27 | ChrisAlan1992 | And put it on the expense account |
| 05:24.33 | beat1 | and everything went right |
| 05:24.36 | beat1 | :O |
| 05:24.38 | abrotman | !ops ChrisAlan1992 seems to be a random quip bot |
| 05:24.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ChrisAlan1992 seems to be a random quip bot |
| 05:24.45 | beat1 | no need to configure the dns server |
| 05:25.01 | ChrisAlan1992 | bye dpkg |
| 05:25.04 | beat1 | ok i'll uncoment the last two lines |
| 05:25.05 | *** part/#debian ChrisAlan1992 (n=ChrisBra@tor/session/x-c40fb8357dc9d54e) |
| 05:25.21 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 05:25.34 | Guerin | hrm, when did tor get -q? |
| 05:25.36 | abrotman | PhilKC: yes .. it was that guy .. why ? |
| 05:25.43 | abrotman | PhilKC: do you know him? |
| 05:25.44 | PhilKC | abrotman, eh? |
| 05:25.53 | abrotman | PhilKC: chriswhatever |
| 05:26.03 | PhilKC | ChrisBadley? yes... He's been trolling Freenode for a few weeks... |
| 05:26.11 | abrotman | using tor i gather |
| 05:26.22 | beat1 | PhilKC already uncomented the last two lines, right now i'm rebooting |
| 05:26.23 | PhilKC | He thinks he's developing 'true' ai and has a bot to prove it XD |
| 05:26.30 | beat1 | and praying for this to work |
| 05:26.32 | beat1 | :o |
| 05:26.40 | PhilKC | beat1, is at least one lin a web resource? |
| 05:26.44 | abrotman | beat1: did you apt-get update ? |
| 05:26.53 | beat1 | lol |
| 05:26.57 | nimak | how do i switch "tabs" in irssi, and where can i get more docs? |
| 05:27.03 | beat1 | i cant use apt-get at all |
| 05:27.08 | beat1 | how can i update it? |
| 05:27.09 | beat1 | lol |
| 05:27.13 | abrotman | nimak: /p /w ... /win # |
| 05:27.20 | beat1 | PhilKC no, they but referred to the cdrom |
| 05:27.29 | DaveLib | hello i am running debian sarge that i downloaded and installed a week ago my 1st use of debian |
| 05:27.29 | abrotman | err .. /p /n |
| 05:27.36 | nimak | thanks, abrotman |
| 05:27.58 | DaveLib | so i havent installed a MTA yet and was about to |
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| 05:28.30 | DaveLib | i just looked in wikipedia about fetchmail and they badmouthed it |
| 05:28.34 | beat1 | also there is something strange i download the debian dvd, and after i install the base system it searches for packages in the cdrom and doesnt find anything... |
| 05:28.37 | abrotman | DaveLib: the system already did .. it's part of the base install .. exim4 should be installed |
| 05:28.46 | abrotman | and afaik .. fetchmail is not an MTA |
| 05:28.52 | DaveLib | and reffed get..... |
| 05:28.53 | beat1 | wasnt it supose for me to be able to install everything from the dvd? :o |
| 05:29.02 | nayyares | abrotman, how to give size of new parition in MB's using fdisk ? |
| 05:29.11 | DaveLib | ahh yes ok thanks yes i do have exim installed from the base install |
| 05:29.15 | nimak | abrotman: /n lists nicks, and i dont think /p does anything |
| 05:29.23 | abrotman | nayyares: it should ask you ... |
| 05:29.31 | abrotman | nimak: i thought it was for the previous window |
| 05:29.34 | DaveLib | ok i got mixed up about terminology "MTA" |
| 05:29.55 | beat1 | i cant understand this |
| 05:29.55 | nimak | abrotman: but /win works perfectly |
| 05:29.56 | beat1 | :S |
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| 05:29.59 | nayyares | abrotman, in fact is asking me in term of cylinders ? |
| 05:29.59 | DaveLib | anyway i wanted to maybe install fetchmail or getmail or something similar |
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| 05:30.20 | abrotman | nimak: oh .. it's ctrl-b and ctrl-n :) |
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| 05:30.51 | nimak | abrotman: that does it, thanks |
| 05:30.54 | DaveLib | so any1 know? fetchmail getmail which is better or something else? |
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| 05:31.15 | abrotman | nayyares: hit p .. print the parttion table .. see any free space ? |
| 05:31.15 | DaveLib | also i am using synaptic |
| 05:31.35 | beat1 | does anyone know why after i change the nameserver on resolv.conf after i reboot, it reverts to 192.168.1.1? |
| 05:31.51 | beat1 | because i really think my problem as nothing to do with apt-get |
| 05:31.53 | psychonate | nayyares, 'cfdisk' is nice too |
| 05:31.58 | beat1 | but with a misconfigured network |
| 05:31.59 | beat1 | :o |
| 05:32.06 | mhall | My laptop broke down so I sent it to the laptop company. They fixed it but overwrote my Linux installation so now I have to reconfigure it all. |
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| 05:32.26 | DaveLib | i had a local mirror as repository for stable main and stable src or something |
| 05:32.29 | abrotman | !d-i mhall |
| 05:32.29 | dpkg | mhall, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 05:32.43 | mhall | !punt abrotman |
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| 05:33.01 | mhall | !kill abrotman |
| 05:33.07 | jessica_ | hello |
| 05:33.07 | mhall | abrotman: ;-) |
| 05:33.15 | mhall | jessica_: salutations |
| 05:33.24 | DaveLib | hello jessica |
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| 05:33.43 | jessica_ | lol ok, this is like my 2nd day using linux and i'm having some problems |
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| 05:34.05 | jessica_ | cant figure out how to download and install |
| 05:34.14 | mhall | jessica_: download and install what? |
| 05:34.15 | nimak | mhall, your laptop problem sucks |
| 05:34.21 | DaveLib | i had a local repository for main and debian site for updates |
| 05:34.30 | loopdee | who wants to make a free implementation of directx for linux with me? :) |
| 05:34.33 | jessica_ | well i can download just dont know how to install |
| 05:34.43 | jessica_ | like java, etc |
| 05:34.45 | abrotman | jessica_: what are you trying to install ? |
| 05:34.46 | psychonate | loopdee, what's wrong with opengl ? |
| 05:34.49 | abrotman | !tell jessica_ about install java |
| 05:34.57 | DaveLib | jessica : are you using debian ? |
| 05:35.04 | jessica_ | um, ubuntu |
| 05:35.09 | psychonate | heh |
| 05:35.10 | jessica_ | ? |
| 05:35.12 | abrotman | jessica_: ask in #ubuntu please |
| 05:35.12 | jessica_ | maybe |
| 05:35.39 | loopdee | psychonate: nothing is wrong with opengl at all, if there was directx for linux do you think game developers would make a decent port for linux? |
| 05:35.55 | abrotman | !sdl |
| 05:35.55 | dpkg | it has been said that sdl is the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl |
| 05:35.56 | loopdee | or at least would even consider it? |
| 05:36.00 | abrotman | loopdee: ^^ |
| 05:36.05 | psychonate | loopdee, er, why can't they already with opengl, like ID does? |
| 05:36.07 | DaveLib | anyway can i have more than 1 main repository enables in synaptic at a time? |
| 05:36.16 | abrotman | yep |
| 05:36.22 | DaveLib | "enables" = enabled typo |
| 05:36.27 | loopdee | psychonate: i dont know, do they even know what open gl is? |
| 05:36.30 | abrotman | loopdee: try SDL |
| 05:36.32 | loopdee | lol |
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| 05:36.43 | psychonate | loopdee, um, I think a lot of commercial games use opengl now |
| 05:36.54 | abrotman | why is he laughing ? |
| 05:37.02 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with SDL ? |
| 05:37.09 | DaveLib | so fetchmail? getmail? other? |
| 05:37.24 | nimak | i hate how intel cards dont like opengl |
| 05:37.29 | psychonate | abrotman, if you ask him, he'll probably say "it's not directx" heh |
| 05:37.32 | abrotman | nimak: yes they do |
| 05:37.39 | nimak | some dont |
| 05:37.51 | loopdee | wtf is wrong with sdl? nothing is wrong with sdl damnit i was just propigating a freakin idea |
| 05:37.55 | abrotman | nimak: i mean .. if they don't .. i must have like a 10Ghz processor to play gltron :) |
| 05:38.16 | nimak | haha |
| 05:38.17 | abrotman | nimak: and which are "some"? |
| 05:38.31 | nimak | just something i read |
| 05:38.41 | psychonate | loopdee, maybe you should propagate opengl instead ;) |
| 05:38.42 | abrotman | nimak: on the internet right ? |
| 05:38.48 | nimak | gow do i check if mine does/doesnt? |
| 05:38.51 | nimak | how* |
| 05:38.55 | abrotman | nimak: lspci .. what is it? |
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| 05:39.03 | loopdee | im propigating all sorts of things, i just need to focus on one at a time |
| 05:39.06 | abrotman | rather .. lspci | grep -i vga |
| 05:39.12 | nimak | thanks |
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| 05:39.26 | nimak | gotta boot the laptop... |
| 05:39.33 | abrotman | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 05:39.36 | mhall | loopdee: the problem is not the lack of directx |
| 05:39.43 | lunitik | jessica_: luckily, the first part there, you don't have to keep doing... but you may also want 'gstreamer0.8-mad' 'flashplugin-nonfree' and both 'gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg' and 'ffmpeg' ... this will give you most codecs and plugins you'll need :) |
| 05:39.56 | abrotman | lunitik: take it to #ubuntu |
| 05:39.56 | smacnay | are there 'dev' packages for mozilla firefox? |
| 05:39.58 | relic | abrotman, VGA mode? |
| 05:40.00 | mhall | loopdee: the problem is microsoft overdependence and developers sucking their dick all the time |
| 05:40.05 | abrotman | relic: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 05:40.10 | lunitik | abrotman: haha... that was supposed to be a /msg ... sorry |
| 05:40.20 | loopdee | whall: i know its too damn sad |
| 05:40.32 | _joey | is this a good gadget ? http://www.ohgizmo.com/2005/12/07/the-rsstroom-reader-feeds-on-your-toilet-paper/ |
| 05:40.32 | abrotman | lunitik: why not take it to #ubuntu .. so Jessica can get help from qualified people |
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| 05:40.41 | _joey | :) |
| 05:40.44 | lunitik | abrotman: guess |
| 05:40.55 | relic | directX on linux? it's crazy |
| 05:40.58 | abrotman | lunitik: because you think you're smarter than #ubuntu ? |
| 05:41.16 | lunitik | abrotman: nope... try again... I'm sure you can figure it out... hint: fearl |
| 05:41.18 | scanwinder | how do i update my kernel from debian repositories? i keep getting errors and stuff, what packages should i install first? |
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| 05:41.25 | Guerin | because he's a trolltard |
| 05:41.28 | loopdee | relic: i know it is, i come up with some crazy crap sometimes... |
| 05:41.29 | Guerin | from days of yore |
| 05:41.30 | abrotman | lunitik: oh . you're banned from every channel except #debian? :) |
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| 05:41.36 | Guerin | and is trying to re-earn his permaban |
| 05:41.40 | nimak | Guerin: there you go! |
| 05:41.42 | _joey | What about this one ? http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod1056.htm Good to have in winter |
| 05:41.47 | lunitik | abrotman: nope... currently only channel I'm banned from is #ubuntu. |
| 05:41.52 | beat1 | does anyone know why after i change the nameserver on resolv.conf after i reboot, it reverts to 192.168.1.1? |
| 05:41.53 | abrotman | i can't imagine why |
| 05:41.54 | Guerin | that'll change |
| 05:41.57 | _joey | Guys, it's Christma stop arguing and fighting ;) |
| 05:41.59 | feross | hey I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop with the madwifi drivers (damnsmalllinux install but it's a debian distro so).. got those installed now the modules load but ath_pci.o is not using the wifi0 .. do I need to change the /etc/network/interface config file to make this work? or any other ideas. tried messing around with interfaces config but no luck |
| 05:41.59 | relic | I prefer to have a DX->OGL wrapper |
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| 05:42.10 | Guerin | _joey: wtf ... christmas is all about arguing and fighting! |
| 05:42.11 | abrotman | !dsl |
| 05:42.12 | dpkg | from memory, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 05:42.25 | abrotman | feross: and did you ask #madwifi ? |
| 05:42.34 | loopdee | relic: isnt that what transgaimg is mostly doing? sort of? |
| 05:42.49 | feross | abrotman: asked in the dsl room but I'll tra madwifi .. thanks |
| 05:42.50 | relic | loopdee, umm |
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| 05:42.50 | scanwinder | feross: DSL has madwifi installed anyway |
| 05:43.04 | scanwinder | feross: workd straight up for me |
| 05:43.08 | feross | scanwinder: looks like they took it out because some proprietary crap |
| 05:43.09 | _joey | Christmas is about having formal lunch with your family, give each other presents and going to church |
| 05:43.15 | feross | scanwinder: have to install it now |
| 05:43.17 | scanwinder | feross: oh ok |
| 05:43.19 | relic | loopdee, is cedega free now? |
| 05:43.21 | psychonate | _joey, church heh |
| 05:43.21 | Guerin | _joey: haha |
| 05:43.26 | psychonate | _joey, you're funny |
| 05:43.29 | loopdee | relic: i think the cvs is free..... |
| 05:43.29 | lunitik | _joey: hold the church part if you don't mind |
| 05:43.32 | scanwinder | feross: i think it was an old version in it before anyway, caused my comp 2 crash heaps |
| 05:43.34 | Guerin | _joey: it must be nice living in the 1950s |
| 05:43.35 | relic | ... |
| 05:43.55 | scanwinder | feross: use module-assistand, there's a few howtos on the net, look around |
| 05:43.58 | lunitik | relic: you can get a cvs checkout of it... |
| 05:43.59 | _joey | Yeah, I go to church on chrismas and easter, so ? |
| 05:44.00 | loopdee | i paid for cedega and cant get a single game to work, at least playable lol oh well |
| 05:44.03 | psychonate | _joey made one comment and got so shot down haha |
| 05:44.04 | scanwinder | feross: oops i mean module-assistant |
| 05:44.04 | relic | loopdee, include the source? |
| 05:44.18 | loopdee | relic: dunno i went ahead and just paid for the thing |
| 05:44.20 | lunitik | relic: they've always been open source, they have to be, wine is gpl'd |
| 05:44.32 | Guerin | _joey: i go to the church of epicurus |
| 05:44.34 | lunitik | relic: they just make it hard so people don't know about it |
| 05:44.35 | psychonate | _joey, you're not going to go on some ridiculous e-crusade now are you? |
| 05:44.37 | relic | wine > winx |
| 05:44.37 | Guerin | on those days, at least |
| 05:44.38 | loopdee | they sell some prebuilt packages |
| 05:44.40 | abrotman | Guerin: you fat fuck! |
| 05:44.49 | loopdee | or i dunno what they actually sell ... |
| 05:44.49 | lunitik | relic: winex... yes |
| 05:44.58 | Guerin | abrotman: not too fat to WHOOP YOUR ASS |
| 05:45.05 | _joey | Guerin Just for one moment refrain yourself from making silly comments |
| 05:45.06 | scanwinder | im trying to download a later kernel(a 2.6 kernel), waht packages should i install before getting it? |
| 05:45.14 | feross | scanwinder: well.. the module seems to be working fine it's just the dsl wiki is crap and does not explain howto get a basic network card configed.. just need to know the interface config file perams and I should be ok |
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| 05:45.20 | _joey | I am out of here :) |
| 05:45.24 | Guerin | _joey: what's silly about non-christian religion? |
| 05:45.34 | FourierSeries | O_o |
| 05:45.38 | scanwinder | feross: oh...use iwconfig |
| 05:45.50 | lunitik | scanwinder: great thing about Debian, they do the thinking part for you... just install one, and it'll fetch anything else on its own |
| 05:46.08 | scanwinder | lunitik: i was getting errors |
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| 05:46.28 | lunitik | scanwinder: newest Debian kernel is apparently broken due to initrd things |
| 05:47.04 | Guerin | wtf ... it's true |
| 05:47.09 | Guerin | germans drink beer+cola |
| 05:47.18 | scanwinder | lunitik: oh ok |
| 05:47.22 | lunitik | scanwinder: grab one prior to 2.6.14 (I think prior are ok) |
| 05:47.48 | lunitik | Guerin: germans don't drink beer, they drink malt liqour.... |
| 05:47.55 | Azar | thank you everyone I am more than 100% set with my new PC Sarge installation, I can say it looks like a trillion! thanks again! |
| 05:47.58 | Guerin | lunitik: no, only americans drink malt liquor |
| 05:47.59 | scanwinder | lunitik: oh ok that would explain it, thanks |
| 05:48.17 | lunitik | Guerin: umm... lager is malt liqour... americans drink watered down beer :/ |
| 05:48.29 | Guerin | lunitik: no ... lager is a kind of beer. |
| 05:48.48 | lunitik | Guerin: its a malt liqour dude... trust me on this one ;) |
| 05:48.50 | loopdee | you guys are making me want to go out and get some beer... |
| 05:48.55 | lunitik | Guerin: you're American aren't you? |
| 05:48.59 | loopdee | too bad they dont selll this late |
| 05:49.04 | lunitik | loopdee: *cheers* |
| 05:49.04 | abrotman | streuner: tell us! |
| 05:49.12 | abrotman | Guerin: you're american! |
| 05:49.13 | scanwinder | lunitik: so there's only 2.6.14 in unstable? |
| 05:49.13 | Guerin | lunitik: wtf ... why should I trust *you* when *I* am the one who used to import the fucking stuff? |
| 05:49.14 | lunitik | loopdee: ahh... how late is it? |
| 05:49.19 | loopdee | 1 am |
| 05:49.23 | scanwinder | lunitik: should i go back to stable? |
| 05:49.30 | Guerin | lunitik: no ... I come from a place which actually HAS beer. |
| 05:49.33 | Guerin | scanwinder: yes. |
| 05:49.34 | loopdee | i think they stop selling at like 11 |
| 05:49.42 | Guerin | scanwinder: or at least testing. |
| 05:49.47 | lunitik | scanwinder: you can't... enless you reinstall... 'apt-get install linux-image' will give you a list |
| 05:49.58 | lunitik | scanwinder: hopefully they didn't remove older ones |
| 05:50.11 | lunitik | loopdee: ahh... here, till 2 :) |
| 05:50.16 | loopdee | nice |
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| 05:50.25 | loopdee | they let you enjoy life there :) |
| 05:50.36 | lunitik | loopdee: then you can buy again at 5... |
| 05:50.44 | loopdee | ugh |
| 05:50.48 | Guerin | asia has no real booze laws |
| 05:50.58 | lunitik | so you get you a 40, or a 6 pack or something... and you can drink 24/7 |
| 05:51.02 | Guerin | 'don't sell to anyone in skool uniform' appears to be the main one |
| 05:51.03 | abrotman | s/laws// |
| 05:51.04 | Jae | How would I create a username, that I am able to use "su <username>" for, but cannot login SSH? |
| 05:51.19 | Guerin | lunitik: haha, you're so american... |
| 05:51.28 | Guerin | only americans buy beer by the '40' or the '6-pack' |
| 05:51.33 | Guerin | err |
| 05:51.34 | Guerin | 'beer' |
| 05:51.35 | abrotman | Guerin: i do not |
| 05:51.40 | lunitik | Guerin: I was born in Coventry, England, lived there till I was 13... but ok |
| 05:51.48 | Guerin | abrotman: not all americans do |
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| 05:51.50 | abrotman | wait .. sometimes a 6pack when i'm being thrown out of the bar at 2am :) |
| 05:52.09 | loopdee | heh |
| 05:52.20 | lunitik | Guerin: I've heard English people use it... its not an American term, its a 'Hip Hop' term... |
| 05:52.23 | Guerin | lunitik: then how come you think lager is malt liquor? |
| 05:52.23 | abrotman | FourierSeries: do you use schuylkill water ? |
| 05:52.27 | lunitik | Guerin: simular to 'ice' |
| 05:52.34 | Guerin | lunitik: haha |
| 05:52.42 | lunitik | Guerin: because my Aunt owns a pub? |
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| 05:52.54 | FourierSeries | abrotman: Nah. Local Atlantic City water. |
| 05:52.55 | abrotman | 40 is NOT a hip hop term .. and anyone who thinks it is ... is a total idiot |
| 05:52.57 | lunitik | Guerin: it says right on the bottle usually :/ |
| 05:53.11 | loopdee | 40oz of freedom |
| 05:53.14 | lunitik | Guerin: thinks like *real* Heinakin (sp) do at least |
| 05:53.32 | Guerin | what ... say malt liquor? |
| 05:53.37 | Guerin | heineken |
| 05:53.41 | lunitik | yes |
| 05:53.45 | lunitik | and yes |
| 05:53.50 | Guerin | no |
| 05:53.51 | Guerin | and no |
| 05:53.53 | abrotman | Guerin: you're going to trust someone who can't spell heineken ? :) |
| 05:54.02 | Guerin | 'malt liquor' is a labelling term invented by americans |
| 05:54.21 | Guerin | I know this because I was a purchasing manager for a fucking booze merchant |
| 05:54.23 | loopdee | whats so malt about it? tasts like beer to me |
| 05:54.49 | Guerin | civilised countries label things according to how they're made and what they're made of, not based on arbitrary principles like how much alcohol it happens to have |
| 05:55.03 | lunitik | loopdee: if you live in the US, you've never tasted real Heineken |
| 05:55.06 | Guerin | and not all lagers are above that 'premium' cut which I believe sits about 5% |
| 05:55.07 | FourierSeries | Saying beer is a malt liquor is like saying dinner is, uh, made from food. |
| 05:55.15 | loopdee | all that imported from holland is bs? |
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| 05:55.31 | abrotman | loopdee: it's bottled in jersey or something |
| 05:55.32 | loopdee | i tihkn it may say like made in somewhere, usa |
| 05:55.35 | loopdee | yea |
| 05:55.35 | lunitik | FourierSeries: no one has said that... if you must chime in... try to act like you read something? |
| 05:56.00 | Guerin | lunitik: you said lager was malt liquor |
| 05:56.03 | abrotman | Drunken_Irony: back again ? |
| 05:56.22 | Drunken_Irony | mmhmmm. Thought I'd pick up a few more pointers. |
| 05:56.23 | Drunken_Irony | :D |
| 05:56.30 | lunitik | Guerin: yes... and somehow he interpretted that statement as 'beer is malt liquor' :/ |
| 05:56.41 | lunitik | Guerin: at least you're paying attn though |
| 05:57.09 | abrotman | hehe .. Guerin got trolled :) |
| 05:58.19 | lunitik | abrotman: troll = unwanted or unwarrented discussions... he's responding... therefore its not a troll... |
| 05:58.50 | abrotman | lunitik: it also includes discussions with tards :) |
| 05:59.52 | lunitik | abrotman: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=Troll&gwp=13 <-- a little down that page... no |
| 06:00.12 | lunitik | abrotman: under heading "Technology" |
| 06:00.23 | abrotman | lunitik: nope .. then i'd be getting trolled |
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| 06:01.43 | lunitik | abrotman: read that page, and feel enlightened. |
| 06:02.04 | abrotman | lunitik: nah .. stick it up your ass :) |
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| 06:02.31 | loopdee | ho ho ho happy holydays ! |
| 06:02.40 | loopdee | :) |
| 06:02.49 | scanwinder | i installed a new kernel and now, have no network.....i ran ifconfig and, eth0 wasent in the list, how do i fix this? |
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| 06:03.04 | lunitik | abrotman: then please refrain from using terms out of context... |
| 06:03.12 | loopdee | ifup eth0? |
| 06:03.15 | abrotman | lunitik: stop trolling me |
| 06:03.18 | lunitik | It makes you look far more idiotic than I ever could |
| 06:03.54 | scanwinder | loopdee: eth0 isnt even showing up tho |
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| 06:04.01 | abrotman | but of course notice he went away after i said he was |
| 06:04.31 | SerajewelKS | hrm... vmware no longer follows the current gtk2 theme |
| 06:04.31 | lunitik | abrotman: you're now going on ignore for being a moron... good job. |
| 06:04.39 | scanwinder | loopdee: dw, works now, thanks |
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| 06:04.43 | SerajewelKS | were any gtk testing packages upgraded that would cause this to happen? |
| 06:04.43 | abrotman | i wasn't even talking about that fucking idiot |
| 06:04.44 | loopdee | :) |
| 06:04.52 | abrotman | what a tard |
| 06:05.25 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i think i got some last week |
| 06:05.32 | FourierSeries | and so, back to debian ... |
| 06:05.38 | abrotman | FourierSeries: you troll! |
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| 06:05.50 | FourierSeries | abrotman: yee hawe! |
| 06:05.50 | loopdee | debian is one of those things that i will love forever |
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| 06:06.14 | abrotman | loopdee: just don't *love* debian |
| 06:06.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no, i've updated since last week and it still worked |
| 06:06.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's not too much of an issue, but it using theme colors without the graphics, obscuring some text |
| 06:06.30 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: did you check /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 06:06.37 | loopdee | abrotman: i dunno how far i can go, but my girlfriend says i moan alot in my sleep ..... |
| 06:06.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 06:07.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hrm |
| 06:07.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah some gtk stuff got upgraded a few nights ago |
| 06:07.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i got gtk stuff today .. but i've been a workaholic/alcoholic the last few days :) |
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| 06:07.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: e.g. the pixbuf theme got upgraded |
| 06:08.13 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: not to mention libgtk and libgtk-dev ? |
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| 06:08.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah, humm... gaim doesn't like it either |
| 06:08.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: oddly enough, gtk-theme-switch2 has no problem |
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| 06:09.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 06:10.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: woot for etch |
| 06:10.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you could downgrade to sarge! |
| 06:11.35 | SimonRaven | see ya abrotman |
| 06:11.50 | abrotman | SimonRaven: keep the tards in line! :) |
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| 06:12.16 | SimonRaven | aaaah! |
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| 06:13.16 | sanxiyn | Hail! Korean input methods got im-switch integration. |
| 06:13.28 | SimonRaven | yeh, a bunch of stuff did |
| 06:13.44 | sanxiyn | I'm sure I won't need any config file editing when installing Etch for Korean use now! |
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| 06:15.02 | sanxiyn | (Just choose "Korean language support in tasksel.) |
| 06:15.02 | sanxiyn | Coolness. |
| 06:15.02 | sanxiyn | $ im-switch -l |
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| 06:15.02 | sanxiyn | xinput-ko_KR - status is auto. link currently points to nabi. |
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| 06:15.02 | SimonRaven | neat |
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| 06:16.34 | sanxiyn | I'd be happier if default Korean font changes to unfonts, instead of baekmuk... |
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| 06:19.46 | SimonRaven | "hello major stinkiness, i'm general fart" |
| 06:20.02 | SimonRaven | (from 'i fart in your general direction!') |
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| 06:20.31 | vasundhar | Please read the paster http://channels.debian.net/paste/1393 and help me with ALSA |
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| 06:22.16 | FourierSeries | vasundhar: Um, what is your sound card? |
| 06:22.55 | vasundhar | Intel |
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| 06:23.20 | vasundhar | it got configured well detected |
| 06:23.33 | vasundhar | my gaim actions are heard |
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| 06:24.48 | feross | scanwinder: hey I can get my card working with wlanconfig, iwconfig, and ifconfig but where do I put the configs so that I don't have to run the comands every boot? |
| 06:25.37 | scanwinder | feross: i dont know i just run a shell script that sets stuff up every time...and run different ones when im connecting to diff AP's |
| 06:25.50 | scanwinder | feross: i did know where the file was...but forgot |
| 06:26.34 | feross | pooh... |
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| 06:27.58 | SimonRaven | since when? |
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| 06:28.51 | vasundhar | FourierSeries: ... Any additions? |
| 06:28.55 | feross | SimonRaven: usually thunder strikes down the evil doers but I guess it depends on the @'s don't know here so just in case ;) |
| 06:29.26 | SimonRaven | only one person in here complains and they're not an op |
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| 06:29.59 | SimonRaven | he's also keeping 'stats', but they don't matter |
| 06:30.22 | SimonRaven | HEAR THAT KINGSLEY, FUCK FUCK FUCK :) |
| 06:30.30 | feross | hehe |
| 06:30.38 | FourierSeries | vasundhar: sorry, I do not see anything obvious. Could you post your boot log? That may not help either ... I do not see how Alsa would be effected by a "locale" change ... |
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| 06:31.12 | Guerin | SimonRaven: throw in an oops for good measure |
| 06:31.14 | Guerin | and a sorry |
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| 06:31.24 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 06:31.28 | feross | oh I remember him from the arch channel right? he used to hand there a lot. |
| 06:31.35 | SimonRaven | oops sorry for the all-caps |
| 06:31.40 | SimonRaven | ;) |
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| 06:33.36 | sanxiyn | "...unexpectedly meets a vision of light on the road to Debian Damascus" -- seen on debian-devel list in flamish long thread. |
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| 06:34.35 | dad | greets. |
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| 06:35.57 | dad | anyone here know what this is, and how to use it? APT::Force-LoopBreak. I think i need it. |
| 06:36.02 | mrme | I'm sorry, this is a newbie question, but I'm new to bash scripting. I'm running a for loop on the output of find, but some filenames have spaces, and the script is operating on each part of a filename with spaces, instead of each line in the list as a single file. I've tried to find the answer in scripting guides, but nothing so far. I'm sure it's a simple fix. Anybody? |
| 06:36.13 | pacc | how to i install unfreeze? |
| 06:36.23 | pacc | how do i install unfreeze? |
| 06:36.38 | sanxiyn | !find unfreeze |
| 06:36.39 | mrme | pacc: what is unfreeze? |
| 06:37.08 | pacc | mrme amavis need it... |
| 06:37.16 | pacc | i dont know |
| 06:37.25 | sanxiyn | mrme: -print0 |
| 06:37.26 | mrme | pacc: well, if you don't know, I sure don't know :) |
| 06:37.30 | anapivirtua | restart needed |
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| 06:38.06 | sanxiyn | mrme: find manpage has examples using -print0 together with xargs -0 to handle spaces in file name. |
| 06:38.15 | mrme | sanxiyn: I tried that, it doesn't fix it. -print0 doesn't print each file on a separate line, it separates them with null characters... |
| 06:38.24 | sanxiyn | mrme: Yes. |
| 06:38.26 | sanxiyn | mrme: And? |
| 06:38.28 | pacc | mrme its an application needed by amavis |
| 06:38.47 | mrme | sanxiyn: and I don't know anything about using null characters, sorry...I'll go try to figure it out some more by myself |
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| 06:38.59 | mrme | mrme: check the amavis docs? |
| 06:39.06 | sanxiyn | mrme: Which part of "together with xargs -0" you didn't understand? |
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| 06:39.24 | mrme | sanxiyn: I'm not very familiar with xargs either, sorry...like I said, new to bash scripting. |
| 06:39.32 | sanxiyn | mrme: sorry |
| 06:39.45 | sanxiyn | mrme: Have a look at find manpage. |
| 06:39.57 | mrme | sanxiyn: I've been looking at it for about 20 minutes...that's why I came here |
| 06:40.03 | sanxiyn | You want "EXAMPLES" section. |
| 06:40.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'unfreeze' (2): (/usr/share/games/komi/sounds_unfreezewarning.wav) in games/komi ;; (/usr/sbin/unfreezemail, /usr/lib/smail/{unfreezemail|unfreezemail.O}) in mail/smail. |
| 06:40.08 | pigrew | mrme: You might also want to try using the -exec function of find. |
| 06:40.28 | mrme | pigrew: that's an idea...thanks |
| 06:40.43 | mrme | all I want is to make a script that moves old ~ and .bak files to the trash |
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| 06:40.59 | pigrew | mrme: find /dir -exec mv {} /trash \; |
| 06:41.08 | sanxiyn | find <blahblah> -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf |
| 06:41.11 | mrme | pigrew: mm...doh :( thanks |
| 06:41.29 | mrme | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 06:41.32 | pigrew | mrme: Well, that moves everything... but you get the idea. |
| 06:41.39 | mrme | pigrew: yeah |
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| 06:45.03 | FourierSeries | one moe time ... |
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| 06:48.25 | feross | mrme: I wasn't going to post this but maybe you have alot of files to remove.. here are some examples of file handling scripts that could come in handy if you have more than rm can handle .. http://www.uvsoftware.ca/scripts.htm |
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| 06:49.23 | mrme | feross: thanks :) |
| 06:50.22 | sifi | find /path/ -name '*~' -exec rm {} \; delete backup files, but how do I use it to rename all .html files to .php? |
| 06:50.39 | nimak | how can i create a new tab in irssi? |
| 06:51.12 | nimak | can it do multiple servers? |
| 06:51.17 | sanxiyn | sifi: rename s/html/php/ |
| 06:51.31 | nimak | or should i run a new instance |
| 06:51.34 | mrme | sifi: this might help... http://www.uvsoftware.ca/scripts.htm#02A |
| 06:51.39 | feross | nimak: if you /join #roomname it should create a new window/tab for you.. then just alt+number to go to the one before or to switch between them |
| 06:52.07 | feross | mrme: stealing my material already? ;P |
| 06:52.09 | nimak | i want to go to a differant server |
| 06:52.16 | nimak | feross:^^^ |
| 06:52.22 | mrme | feross: lol...I happened to be looking at that one when he asked :) |
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| 06:52.39 | Guerin | nimak: /connect irc.badgers.net |
| 06:52.53 | nimak | thanks, Guerin, feross |
| 06:53.04 | Falle | Im new to debian and just installed sarge on a vserver, the problem is that no compilers and development libraries was installed. is there some easy(apt-get?) way to fix this? Im a slackware nerd myself :/ |
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| 06:53.23 | sanxiyn | Falle: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 06:53.36 | Falle | sanxiyn: many thanks :) |
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| 06:55.06 | mrme | pigrew: Could you explain what the "\;" is for? I can't find a simple explanation of that. |
| 06:55.14 | nimak | Guerin: how do i join a channel on the new server? |
| 06:55.29 | nimak | or better yet, is there a place where i can check documentation? |
| 06:55.41 | sanxiyn | nimak: Which client are you using? |
| 06:55.44 | nimak | irssi |
| 06:55.55 | nimak | in text mode |
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| 06:56.23 | sanxiyn | nimak: irssi is underdocumented indeed. :( |
| 06:56.41 | sanxiyn | See http://irssi.org/documentation |
| 06:56.47 | nimak | thanks |
| 06:56.51 | nimak | what are you on? |
| 06:56.56 | sanxiyn | xchat |
| 06:57.13 | nimak | cool, thats what i use when i have X up |
| 06:57.15 | anapivirtua | bonne nuit tlm / good night all / buona note a tutti |
| 06:57.27 | nimak | guten nacht |
| 06:57.30 | pigrew | mrme: It signifies to find that the "exec command" is over. |
| 06:57.32 | dondelelcaro | nimak: /help channel |
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| 06:57.49 | mrme | pigrew: oh...ok...thanks...sorry :) |
| 06:57.59 | dondelelcaro | nimak: generally /channel add -auto #channel ircnet |
| 06:59.03 | nimak | wow, thats complicated |
| 06:59.23 | dondelelcaro | nimak: or if you just want to join, use /join after selecting the proper network (/join -ircnet ircnet #channel) |
| 06:59.33 | dondelelcaro | nimak: it's actually rather simple... |
| 06:59.46 | nimak | thanks |
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| 07:00.33 | raden | whats a good peer to peer client ? |
| 07:01.33 | dad | bah! |
| 07:01.56 | *** part/#debian dad (n=dad@dialup-4.176.90.189.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net) |
| 07:03.00 | nimak | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.01 | nimak | and i just accidentall joined #doesnt |
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| 07:04.13 | nimak | s/ll/lly |
| 07:04.25 | Guerin | raden: fgi |
| 07:06.46 | sanxiyn | Finally, ITP: libpar-perl. |
| 07:06.49 | sanxiyn | Good luck to them. |
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| 07:09.10 | scanwinder | what are all the packages i need to compile C programs? |
| 07:09.25 | dondelelcaro | nimak: sorry, it's /join -ircnetname #channel |
| 07:09.35 | dondelelcaro | nimak: and if you want to start with / it's /say /foo |
| 07:09.59 | nimak | ah, ok |
| 07:10.16 | nimak | thanks, i've been putting the space there for a long time |
| 07:11.27 | nimak | /that doesnt work either |
| 07:12.08 | scanwinder | im trying to compile gaim and it says no C compiler found.....what are all the packages i need installed to compile stuff? |
| 07:12.59 | SlayerXP | scanwinder: apt-get install build-essential |
| 07:13.09 | dondelelcaro | scanwinder: and then apt-get builddeb gaim. |
| 07:13.11 | scanwinder | SlayerXP: thats the one, thanks |
| 07:13.17 | dondelelcaro | s/deb/dep/ |
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| 07:15.27 | wireddd_ | is there a netinstall floppy for sarge? |
| 07:15.44 | b14ck | You sound like an OpenBSD user. |
| 07:15.46 | b14ck | <3 openbsd |
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| 07:16.54 | wireddd_ | no but I don't have any blank cds here |
| 07:17.03 | wireddd_ | or a cd burner for that matter |
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| 07:17.14 | nimak | im pretty sure there is |
| 07:17.26 | mhall | I really hate having to run in 32 bit mode. |
| 07:17.50 | sifi | mhall, why? |
| 07:17.58 | mhall | sifi: it seems a lot slower than 64 |
| 07:18.17 | mhall | sifi: but the problem is i can't really function without openoffice |
| 07:18.21 | DaveLib | i think on the debian site they have a 3 floppy download that you can do for a netinstall |
| 07:18.32 | mhall | sifi: and there are some 64 bit wireless driver problems |
| 07:18.47 | wireddd_ | DaveLib well that would work |
| 07:18.47 | DaveLib | they have 3 choices: 3 floppy, biz card cd or regular cd |
| 07:18.54 | sifi | mhall, hmm, maybe one should wait with amd64 for a while then |
| 07:19.06 | SlayerXP | mhall: only if you're silly enough to buy from naufacturers who don't support linux properly. |
| 07:19.06 | mhall | sifi: yeah that's my plan |
| 07:19.15 | mhall | sifi: but in the meantime 32 |
| 07:19.23 | mhall | SlayerXP: no, i'm using a madwifi card |
| 07:19.31 | DaveLib | the regular cd netinstall thts what i used is only about 100 meg |
| 07:19.31 | sifi | mhall, but in other sentense, is it stable enough? |
| 07:19.35 | mhall | SlayerXP: and even the cvs version is flaky on 64 |
| 07:19.43 | mhall | sifi: i think it'd be totally fine on a server |
| 07:19.51 | mhall | sifi: it's just the user features that have issues |
| 07:20.03 | sifi | mhall, for dektops |
| 07:20.05 | mhall | sifi: if you want to do lamp, it works fine |
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| 07:20.09 | wireddd_ | DaveLib, that what I normally use but I don't have one with me |
| 07:20.21 | mhall | sifi: yeah probably best not on desktop as of yet afaict |
| 07:20.32 | wireddd_ | s/that/thats/ |
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| 07:20.45 | sifi | mhall, I don't have the money for it yet so =) |
| 07:20.56 | DaveLib | i did the regular netinstall that is the only netinstall i have done yet |
| 07:21.21 | DaveLib | so i was about to install fetchmail or getmail or whatever |
| 07:21.33 | DaveLib | which is better? |
| 07:21.57 | mhall | sifi: yeah i scored a 64 laptop for 1000 usd |
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| 07:22.30 | sifi | mhall, are you familiar with LAMP? |
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| 07:22.42 | paveway | + a 32 bit level I/O |
| 07:22.45 | mhall | sifi: somewhat |
| 07:22.53 | mhall | sifi: i can get them all set up and running |
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| 07:23.05 | mhall | sifi: and i can do queries / configure a database |
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| 07:23.16 | sifi | mhall, yeah, me to, just hosted sovix.com |
| 07:23.25 | mhall | sifi: but i'm not much of a php programmer and i'm probably not going to be a huge expert at tuning either |
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| 07:23.29 | sifi | mhall, check it out |
| 07:23.33 | sanxiyn | mhall: There's OOo 64bit port in progress. |
| 07:23.41 | jeff___ | anyone know of a converter thatll change dvr-ms into something more usebale? |
| 07:23.42 | sanxiyn | mhall: It's still a thing of distant future though. |
| 07:24.08 | sifi | mhall, click on my name (left-bottom) =) |
| 07:24.39 | jeff___ | dpkg -l|grep real |
| 07:24.42 | jeff___ | sorry |
| 07:25.03 | paveway | haha |
| 07:25.05 | raz0rsedge | my sarge install hungs in setup while finding scsi devices, even if i choose the noscsi boot option...any hints ? |
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| 07:25.57 | afabian | raz0rsedge: maybe it's hotplug? random guess. |
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| 07:26.37 | sifi | mhall, how long time have you hacked with PHP? |
| 07:26.42 | sanxiyn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Dpkg7Zip is interesting. |
| 07:26.52 | afabian | DaveLib: I use fetchmail. If you don't have any reason to do otherwise, use fetchmail. It's written it C, it's been around for a lot of years, so on and so forth. |
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| 07:27.32 | hcy | anybody know what a 'node' is? my newsreader, which usually works perfectly, has been giving me a weird error when i try to connect, since yesterday: "hadshake failed: 502 fe3.nntpserver.com: Access denied to your node" |
| 07:27.39 | hcy | s/hadshake/handshake/ |
| 07:27.58 | DaveLib | afabian: i was looking up in wikipedia fetchmail and getmail |
| 07:28.17 | SerajewelKS | hcy: maybe the server is having problems? |
| 07:28.21 | DaveLib | they were saying security problems in fetchmail |
| 07:28.32 | sifi | hcy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Node |
| 07:28.37 | hcy | SerajewelKS: could be |
| 07:28.55 | sanxiyn | DaveLib: Yes, fetchmail had many of them (like sendmail) |
| 07:29.00 | SerajewelKS | hcy: try with another reader to confirm. if that's the problem, we can't really help. |
| 07:29.06 | sanxiyn | DaveLib: It's still good. |
| 07:29.13 | hcy | SerajewelKS: ok thanks |
| 07:29.45 | DaveLib | sanziyn: so which should i try? this is for a simple home desktop running sarge |
| 07:29.49 | SerajewelKS | hcy: by "that's the problem" i mean of course the server having issues. if your reader is bugging out, file a bug report or use the reader that works. =) |
| 07:30.14 | nimak | dondelelcaro: i figured it out, you use ctrl-x to switch which server gets the commands |
| 07:30.23 | sanxiyn | DaveLib: fetchmail. |
| 07:30.46 | DaveLib | aok i guess thats what i will do: fetchmail |
| 07:31.06 | hcy | SerajewelKS: can you recommend another reader then? i've been using pan |
| 07:31.21 | raz0rsedge | afabian: last seen msg in setup screen: finding scsi cdrom ? |
| 07:31.21 | mhall | sifi: not long at all |
| 07:31.30 | mhall | sifi: just done a couple of little things in php |
| 07:31.37 | SerajewelKS | hcy: i don't do news, sorrt |
| 07:31.39 | SerajewelKS | sorry too |
| 07:31.45 | SerajewelKS | hcy: sylpheed-claws is ok though |
| 07:32.00 | SerajewelKS | hcy: i used it a while back with povray newsgroups. it was fairly stable. |
| 07:32.05 | mhall | sanxiyn: yeah it's going to take a while since ooo is b0rk3d wrt good coding practices sometimes |
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| 07:32.49 | sanxiyn | mhall: Much of porting work (ooo64bit01 and ooo64bit02 branch) got already integrated to OOo 2.0. |
| 07:33.03 | sifi | mhall, I'm just working with includers, SQL data + some loops for the moment |
| 07:33.04 | sanxiyn | mhall: Which means, it "barely" build on 64bit. |
| 07:33.16 | sanxiyn | (And not working at all.) |
| 07:33.32 | sanxiyn | sifi: #php is near. |
| 07:34.03 | dondelelcaro | nimak: that's if you don't specifiy the server explicitely in the commands. |
| 07:34.12 | mhall | sifi: yeah i never did any of that crap yet |
| 07:34.19 | mhall | sifi: i did like hello world and stuff |
| 07:34.39 | mhall | sifi: i've programmed in a billion other languages but i am out of the loop on web development |
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| 07:34.55 | mhall | sifi: i was considering learning PHP but it seems like i'd get more out of C# |
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| 07:35.54 | sanxiyn | ttf-cjk-compact looks interesting. |
| 07:36.05 | sanxiyn | Best (IMO) CJK fonts in compact form. |
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| 07:37.06 | SerajewelKS | holy hell, azureus has a memory leak or something |
| 07:37.12 | tuv | are there any alternatives for nfs? |
| 07:37.16 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yeah that occurs |
| 07:37.26 | mhall | sanxiyn: what about arphic? |
| 07:37.29 | nimak | dondelelcaro: yeah, it says what you told me in /help join but it doesnt work |
| 07:38.49 | SerajewelKS | mhall: you mean a tripling of its memory usage in the first day? |
| 07:38.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: azureus is as holey as anything |
| 07:38.53 | sanxiyn | mhall: ttf-cjk-compact is sazanami + undotum + arphic - many unneeded glyphs |
| 07:39.01 | sifi | mhall, I'd love to help you |
| 07:39.15 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it also makes zombie processes like there's no tomorrow |
| 07:39.15 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i seem to recall you saying it never gave you any problems, though... |
| 07:39.20 | Tortel | !time |
| 07:39.20 | dpkg | from memory, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2005.12.24 UTC, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. |
| 07:39.27 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's complete arse |
| 07:39.29 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yeah, i never looked at top while it was running |
| 07:39.42 | Guerin | it's a fucking bittorrent client with an *IRC CLIENT* built in |
| 07:39.55 | sanxiyn | mhall: I use bitstream for latin glyphs anyway. |
| 07:39.56 | SerajewelKS | on a completely unrelated note, why do i still hear audio when the master volume is at 0% |
| 07:40.01 | mhall | SerajewelKS: well it happens from time to time |
| 07:40.06 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it's not exactly built in, it's a plugin |
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| 07:40.21 | dondelelcaro | nimak: it sure works here. You must not be specifying the network properly. |
| 07:40.22 | mhall | SerajewelKS: different bugs crop up on occasion |
| 07:40.31 | dondelelcaro | nimak: type /server, and enter the right network name. |
| 07:40.38 | mhall | SerajewelKS: try a different pack from another debian rel |
| 07:40.42 | Guerin | unfortunately my chosen torrent client currently gets smacked down by the kernel for bad memory management |
| 07:40.47 | dondelelcaro | nimak: since you apparently don't knwo what the right network is. |
| 07:40.49 | Guerin | the new version, anyway |
| 07:40.54 | SerajewelKS | mhall: it's not a debian release, it's the .jar from azureus.sf.net |
| 07:40.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: rtorrent? |
| 07:41.04 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: 0.8.1, yeah. |
| 07:41.42 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: hrm... still using 0.4.0 here... |
| 07:41.43 | tuv | what else can i use other than nfs for sharing files/directories? |
| 07:41.48 | Guerin | i think i'm running an oldish libc6 though, so that may be the issue |
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| 07:42.09 | SerajewelKS | if i *mute* the master volume, nothing comes out, but i can still hear a considerable amount of volume at 0% |
| 07:42.09 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i'm still using 0.3.6/0.7.6 - 0.4/0.8 did the same for me |
| 07:42.14 | SerajewelKS | so i am confused |
| 07:42.31 | Guerin | tuv: samba |
| 07:42.50 | Teemu | marry xmas |
| 07:42.52 | tuv | Guerin: i'm all linux.. will samba be better for me? |
| 07:43.09 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: hrm... I guess I don't let mine stay opene for long enough for that to be a problem... |
| 07:43.32 | Guerin | tuv: depends ... I prefer nfs for simplicity, but it's all about what you want |
| 07:43.46 | Guerin | and yes, as horrible and complicated as nfs is, it's way easier than samba |
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| 07:44.03 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: this happens pretty quickly - after a few to ten minutes |
| 07:44.10 | nima_ | ok, that just screwed everything up |
| 07:44.13 | tuv | Guerin: any other alternatives? |
| 07:44.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: ah... yeah, totally using unstable here and it has always just worked... |
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| 07:44.56 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. My unstable is a bit stale because I'm procrastinating dealing with udev/yaird in new kernel versions |
| 07:45.44 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: ah... I build all my own, so I don't use udev or yaird... |
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| 07:49.06 | mhall | SerajewelKS: bad SerajewelKS. consider using the debian release where i didn't experience this problem |
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| 07:54.45 | mhall | hmm |
| 07:54.49 | mhall | anybody here? |
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| 07:55.41 | afabian | word. |
| 07:55.50 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 07:57.27 | nimak | hey, mhall |
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| 07:58.22 | nimak | how can i change my command line resolution? |
| 07:59.31 | mhall | hmm |
| 07:59.39 | ice_1963 | are you useing gnome |
| 07:59.47 | nimak | im not using X |
| 07:59.50 | mhall | irc client was acting funny |
| 07:59.56 | mhall | no haven't got X on this box yet |
| 08:00.00 | mhall | working on it |
| 08:00.02 | mhall | slowly |
| 08:00.05 | mhall | unsurely |
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| 08:00.26 | nimak | for stuff like that, i usually just reinstall |
| 08:00.31 | nimak | too lazy |
| 08:00.51 | nimak | way too lazy |
| 08:01.03 | afabian | nimak: in my humble opinion, you're better off running X than trying to do crazy terminal tricks. You can run one big xterm. |
| 08:01.35 | mhall | afabian: x->isResourceHungry() == true |
| 08:01.38 | afabian | nimak: But if you're determined, there's framebuffer, and a lot of video cards have the native ability to do 80x50 and 80x30 |
| 08:01.41 | nimak | my x is screwed up, im too lazy to fix it, too lazy to reinstall |
| 08:01.59 | Gumby | anyone here ever tried to use a touchscreen LCD with linux? |
| 08:02.03 | nimak | yes |
| 08:02.14 | nimak | my laptop has a gunze touchscreen |
| 08:02.51 | nimak | the GunzeTS driver is pretty nice |
| 08:03.08 | nimak | movie time, be back soon |
| 08:03.41 | afabian | I used Debian without X for nearly a year. Typed some papers up using groff. I can't remember why; it seemed to make sense at the time. |
| 08:04.17 | nimak | haha, im just liking the simplicity, only thing i miss is graphical web |
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| 08:04.39 | nimak | i'd probably type papers with nano |
| 08:05.07 | ice_1963 | what do you use for ths web?? |
| 08:05.28 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 08:06.05 | ice_1963 | well install x |
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| 08:14.40 | mabel | how can i configure my network interface to receive packets from multiple static ips |
| 08:15.20 | SlayerXP | mabel: what's that supposed to mean? |
| 08:15.45 | SlayerXP | how would any network interface know if a sending IP was static or dynamic? |
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| 08:17.16 | pigrew | mabel: What I think that you want is something like "ifconfig eth:1 192.168.101.1" |
| 08:17.56 | mabel | pigrew, ahh |
| 08:18.03 | mabel | so i can then define eth:2 eth:3 etc? |
| 08:18.24 | mabel | is there a way to just define a range ? |
| 08:18.28 | pigrew | mabel: It would probably be better to figure out how to use the "ip" command, but yeah. |
| 08:18.54 | afabian | mabel: I've used 'alias' with ifconfig; I'm far from an expert, but it worked. |
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| 08:19.54 | pigrew | mabel: What are you trying to do? |
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| 08:20.06 | mabel | pigrew, so uh if i want it on eth0 then it would be eth0:1 eth0:2 etc? |
| 08:20.28 | mabel | i am trying to make my net card have multiple ip's associated with it |
| 08:20.40 | pigrew | mabel: Then, yes, that should work. |
| 08:20.43 | mabel | its because i'm setting up multiple ssl vhosts with apache and they need separate ip's |
| 08:21.23 | SlayerXP | i was actually thinking "clueless wannabe hosting kiddie" |
| 08:23.07 | pigrew | mabel: I think that you can also use the eth0:N syntax in the /etc/network/interfaces file. |
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| 08:27.58 | pearl | merry xmas |
| 08:28.07 | mabel | SlayerXP, well thanks lol |
| 08:28.14 | SlayerXP | np |
| 08:29.11 | pigrew | Wow... already 3:30. Time to go to sleep. |
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| 08:35.58 | eric_ | is this the same as ubuntu? |
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| 08:38.14 | afabian | eric_: Yep. "Ubuntu" is actually just a big Debian marketing campaign. Debian has a reputation of being for grizzled old hackers and free-software zealots; The new "Ubuntu" branding is supposed to be hip, cool, for the unwashed masses who just want to get work done with a computer. And it's working like a charm. |
| 08:38.29 | afabian | I mean "no." Sorry, typo. |
| 08:38.56 | eric_ | yeah i thought it was alright |
| 08:39.28 | eric_ | just not a dos fan |
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| 08:40.54 | eric_ | actually my first time ever using any kinda linux |
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| 08:42.23 | afabian | eric_: Well, the simple answer is that Ubuntu is a distribution based on Debian, but is most certainly not Debian. Ubuntu might be more appropriate for a new user, but feel free to plunge into Debian if you respect it's commitment to free software, or are motivated to learn. |
| 08:42.39 | kombi | how do you change the boot screen of grub? |
| 08:43.26 | eric_ | i just think the command and terminal stuff is hard since i've never had to use that before |
| 08:43.55 | DaveLib | eric: I am using debian now and i have ubuntu running on another computer i tired ubuntu briefly |
| 08:44.14 | eric_ | been a mac user all my life |
| 08:44.18 | DaveLib | tired = tried typo :-) |
| 08:44.37 | DaveLib | ahh i never used a mac but i hear they are good |
| 08:44.54 | eric_ | their great |
| 08:45.01 | DaveLib | my first computer i was thinking of buying a mac |
| 08:45.10 | eric_ | they last FOREVER |
| 08:45.15 | afabian | eric_: Before you choose a distribution, you might want to figure out what you hope to get out of the experience. Linux distributions have widely varying aims. |
| 08:45.17 | TTT | hi, from topic, is kernel still borked? In BTS it says 2.6.14-6 should have fixed that bug? |
| 08:45.30 | DaveLib | but everything was more expensive than pc's so i went with pc & microsoft |
| 08:45.51 | DaveLib | eric: are you running ubuntu right now? |
| 08:45.53 | int_21h | kombi: download splashimages |
| 08:45.57 | eric_ | yeah but that mac u woulda payed more for would still be kicking right now |
| 08:45.58 | eric_ | lol |
| 08:46.04 | eric_ | yeah |
| 08:46.08 | int_21h | then configure your menu.lst |
| 08:46.15 | int_21h | kombi: then configure your menu.lst |
| 08:46.20 | kombi | int_21h: thanks, just found it there... |
| 08:46.27 | DaveLib | the ubuntu i have on the other computer is from a live cd |
| 08:46.42 | DaveLib | i didnt download an install cd of ubuntu |
| 08:46.46 | TTT | is anyone here running 2.6.14-6, does that kernel work? |
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| 08:46.55 | afabian | DaveLib: I tried Ubuntu. It bugged me. I'm too much of a power-user. It's Linux; you can make it do anything. But when you start doing things like locally recompiling exim, the packaging system doesn't handle it properly. You want to use lpr instead of CUPS, you break the Ubuntu desktop package. It's a fine distribution, I'm just too much of a tweaker, it drove me nuts. |
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| 08:46.58 | eric_ | yeah i made the mistake of actually installin it |
| 08:47.04 | int_21h | did you configure your menu.lst? |
| 08:47.52 | DaveLib | hmmm afabian: yes i guess it makes more sense for you to be running debian |
| 08:48.01 | kombi | int_21h: actually I ran upgrade and the new kernel didn't boot |
| 08:48.13 | DaveLib | or is debian what you are running afabian ? |
| 08:48.26 | afabian | DaveLib: yes, I am now. I just tried Ubuntu. |
| 08:48.48 | DaveLib | anyway: for newbie use eric i think ubuntu is probably pretty good |
| 08:49.08 | eric_ | yeah i like it, i just cant figure out how to install anything |
| 08:49.12 | streuner | DaveLib: How did you come to this conclusion? |
| 08:49.14 | int_21h | kombi: can you log in to xserver? |
| 08:49.35 | kombi | int_21h: no xserver running.. |
| 08:49.35 | DaveLib | one of the most important features in linux and diff from microsoft is root login account versus ordinary user |
| 08:49.37 | streuner | DaveLib: Is there some *magic* tool in ubuntu which isn't in debian? |
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| 08:50.15 | DaveLib | streuner: i thot it was kinfd of nice how ubuntu hid the root account biz from newbies |
| 08:50.22 | eric_ | which is strange to me |
| 08:50.27 | int_21h | kombi: ok, your only problem is changing the spalshimage form your current configuration? |
| 08:50.41 | eric_ | never had to use a root anything before lol |
| 08:50.50 | DaveLib | and if you going to install new software from ubuntu it is 1 mouse click away from the main menu |
| 08:51.04 | DaveLib | eric root is really important |
| 08:51.11 | kombi | int_21h: just done that by editing menu.lst. I only wonder whether any other consequences arise.. |
| 08:51.20 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:51.27 | DaveLib | it is why microsoft has 60,000 viruses and linux has 7 viruses :-) |
| 08:51.28 | Dave | Hello, can anyone help me? I won't take much of you're time. It's nothing big. |
| 08:51.43 | Guerin | !ask2ask |
| 08:51.43 | dpkg | One day, Kn00bie joined #debian, and asked, "Tell me, is it proper to ask first whether one should ask a question, or do ye not require such things?" One of the masters raised his hand, and a towering bot descended from the heavens and knocked Kn00bie to the ground, leaving a large wet spot. Lying there, head spinning, Kn00bie became Enlightened. |
| 08:51.46 | streuner | DaveLib: you didn't answer the question, IS THERE OR IS THERE NOT? |
| 08:51.46 | eric_ | i thought it would be like mac with the stuffit, but i was wrong |
| 08:51.53 | kombi | Dave: only it it's nothing big..;) |
| 08:51.56 | afabian | I started with NetBSD. It kicked my @$$ for quite a while, but I loved it. I learned a lot. My philosophy is to start with something pretty bare and work your way up. I prefer Linux now, but I was shaped by using NetBSD for a couple of years. |
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| 08:52.08 | Dave | as you can see I've been using a I386 platform all this time. So I just bought a lappy today. |
| 08:52.22 | DaveLib | streuner: prob not i only looked at un\buntu briefly and didnt see anything |
| 08:52.23 | int_21h | did you test your new splashimage? |
| 08:52.43 | streuner | Stop spreading mares to people in here, which aren't true |
| 08:52.54 | DaveLib | for a power user i think ubuntu has no advantager over debian |
| 08:52.58 | kombi | int_21h: not yet, but it's the old file that was backed up by apt |
| 08:53.05 | Dave | I got a amd turion(TM) 64 mobile. |
| 08:53.06 | afabian | streuner: Wouldn't call them magic, and they haven't gone quite as far as SUSE has with YaST, or however they capitalize it now, but there are Ubuntu-only tools. |
| 08:53.26 | streuner | DaveLib: so why do you saying thinks you have just heard and haven't a clue? |
| 08:53.30 | Dave | My only issue is, the that I'm a bit lost with downloading the right iso image for the right platform. |
| 08:53.34 | streuner | s/thinks/things/ |
| 08:53.39 | Dave | :) Can anyone please help me? |
| 08:53.41 | Guerin | Dave: use i386 |
| 08:53.51 | int_21h | what xpm.gz files you have got? |
| 08:53.52 | Guerin | Dave: it is the correct architecture for your computer |
| 08:54.16 | Dave | I downloaded, the iso image. But, it seemed that it did not boot the debian disk |
| 08:54.18 | Guerin | Dave: amd64, which is the other choice you could make, is better suited to people who know what they're doing |
| 08:54.23 | DaveLib | i said it based on trying briefly thot was nice how a workable system for noobs hiding the complexities |
| 08:54.25 | eric_ | i thought that when you downloaded something you could just click on it and it would install normally like with ms |
| 08:54.44 | kombi | int_21h: where are those? |
| 08:54.48 | Guerin | eric_: ms installation is not normal |
| 08:54.49 | int_21h | kombi: do you have the excisting splashimage? |
| 08:55.07 | Dave | Okay, I will re_download the I386 iso image and burn it. Thanks alot :) |
| 08:55.09 | int_21h | from your /boot/grub directory |
| 08:55.09 | afabian | eric_: Installing an operating system isn't like installing a program. Mostly, computers come with Windows preinstalled; as it goes, installing Linux isn't really much harder than installing Windows; most people haven't ever done either. |
| 08:55.18 | kombi | int_21h: I have the existing menu.lst and put it back already |
| 08:55.18 | Dave | Btw, happy X_mas~!\ |
| 08:55.59 | int_21h | did you finish downloading the splashimages? |
| 08:56.05 | afabian | eric_: ah, I think you were talking about installing software. I gather that synaptic is a nice front-end. I use aptitude |
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| 08:56.20 | DaveLib | i do like synaptic |
| 08:56.23 | eric_ | no no, i meant programs on ubuntu, they're on the desktop after u download them like limewire, thought you could just click and it would install them |
| 08:56.30 | int_21h | kombi: did you finish downloading the splashimages? |
| 08:56.51 | kombi | int_21h: finished downloading everything while running apt-get upgrade |
| 08:57.05 | FourierSeries | wow... |
| 08:57.07 | eric_ | its not difficult, just strange the way linux is for me |
| 08:57.10 | DaveLib | eric: there is something in the menus for installing sioftware |
| 08:57.21 | eric_ | i was told to use the root terminal |
| 08:57.24 | DaveLib | i thot a remebered that it was pretty easy |
| 08:57.31 | eric_ | and have no idea how to lol |
| 08:57.51 | DaveLib | at the top of your screen .... |
| 08:57.55 | eric_ | k |
| 08:58.00 | DaveLib | i have ubuntu running in the other room |
| 08:58.13 | Dave | :( Gui is over raided |
| 08:58.14 | DaveLib | want to to check it again and report bak? |
| 08:58.16 | int_21h | kombi: ok, open your /boot/grub/splashimages to see what xpm.gz file are available |
| 08:58.20 | afabian | eric_: Well, Ubuntu (and Debian) actually have a better system, in a lot of ways; the distribution has collected a lot of that 3rd party software and integrated it with the system. Once you understand it, it's a good deal *more* consistent than getting it from 3rd party distributors. |
| 08:58.40 | eric_ | afabian: are u a bot? |
| 08:58.43 | eric_ | lol |
| 08:58.50 | afabian | eric_: No, I can type too quickly for my own good. |
| 08:58.55 | eric_ | lol ok |
| 08:59.04 | kombi | int_21h: no such dir in /boot/grub |
| 08:59.23 | kombi | it's a shell only box.. |
| 08:59.41 | Dave | Does Debian provide a proxy server to be annonymous through the net? |
| 08:59.51 | Dave | " |
| 08:59.53 | int_21h | kombi: are you sure your using grub boot loader? |
| 09:00.00 | kombi | positive |
| 09:00.05 | eric_ | just never had to use any kind of command line or even dos before, and thats whats turning me away from linux |
| 09:00.18 | kombi | Dave: why would you want to be that? |
| 09:00.35 | DaveLib | i will check my ubuntu justasec |
| 09:00.37 | eric_ | i honestly didnt think it would be so tecky |
| 09:00.43 | Dave | So no spammer can gather any type of information about me. |
| 09:00.47 | afabian | For instance, you get Symantec Antivirus for Windows. Symantec made all of the decisions. But imagine that Microsoft had access to Symantec's source code, and was able to go through and tweak the program for superior integration with Windows. What a Linux distribution can do is something like that; force consistency on 3rd party packages that they didn't even have to begin with. In practice, of course, Windows is pretty unif |
| 09:00.47 | afabian | ied and integrated, because Symantec is aiming for that. |
| 09:00.56 | Guerin | Dave: haha |
| 09:00.57 | afabian | Symantec and the other software companies, that is. |
| 09:01.03 | Guerin | Dave: apt-get install privoxy |
| 09:01.12 | Dave | Thanks |
| 09:02.17 | kombi | eric_: Linux might be difficult at first for mouse only people |
| 09:02.17 | int_21h | kombi: where is your menu.lst located? |
| 09:02.17 | kombi | int_21h: /boot/grub |
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| 09:02.54 | int_21h | kombi int_21h: no such dir in /boot/grub < you told me earlier |
| 09:03.31 | eric_ | well thats all i was ever taught |
| 09:03.32 | DaveLib | back |
| 09:03.48 | int_21h | kombi: is there a splashimages in that folder? |
| 09:04.02 | DaveLib | eric: so at the top of the ubuntu screen: aplliciations places system |
| 09:04.13 | DaveLib | anyway click on applications |
| 09:04.17 | eric_ | ok |
| 09:04.17 | kombi | int_21h: no, really not. Anyway I think I am pretty much sorted.. |
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| 09:04.33 | DaveLib | and the bottom of that menu: add applications |
| 09:04.38 | kombi | got to go and cook for tonight, merry christmas everyone! |
| 09:04.42 | DaveLib | click on that |
| 09:04.55 | DaveLib | and a menu to add applications |
| 09:05.07 | int_21h | kombi: if no splashimages files, you have to download it first |
| 09:05.20 | eric_ | got run apps, and add/remove programs |
| 09:05.23 | Guerin | DaveLib: wtf does this have to do with debian? |
| 09:05.33 | Guerin | eric_: same question to you |
| 09:05.43 | eric_ | he's helping me |
| 09:06.01 | DaveLib | aok anyway eric: add/remove programs .... ok thats it for that topic |
| 09:06.22 | int_21h | kombi: try this command (su) apt-get install splashimages |
| 09:06.46 | afabian | eric_: the short version: synaptic or aptitude will allow you to add and remove programs, with more consistency than Windows could ever hope for. |
| 09:07.27 | eric_ | but the java that i downloaded and limewire arent on there |
| 09:07.29 | int_21h | kombi: try this command (su) apt-get install grub-splashimages |
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| 09:10.36 | eric_ | so its pointless to try to open any downloaded program on the desktop then |
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| 09:10.55 | eric_ | man i need a tutor |
| 09:11.17 | afabian | eric_: hm. yeah, more or less. Windows-style installers are not common. |
| 09:11.37 | afabian | I haven't heard of limewire. |
| 09:11.42 | eric_ | p2p |
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| 09:12.40 | eric_ | this is crazy |
| 09:12.43 | afabian | java should be in Ubuntu's repositories; probably in the universe or multiverse; you may need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. But that's fairly well into Ubuntu territory; you should consult Google, #Ubuntu, and Ubuntu's resources for the particulars, if you're using Ubuntu. |
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| 09:13.57 | eric_ | nah i think my venture into linux is coming to an end soon |
| 09:14.44 | afabian | eric_: it takes some commitment, if it's not just something you enjoy doing. |
| 09:14.52 | eric_ | but it was nice chattin with ya |
| 09:15.12 | afabian | =) |
| 09:15.12 | eric_ | sorry wrong room |
| 09:15.16 | eric_ | lol |
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| 09:15.37 | ultraviolet16 | how do you extract a rar file in linux? |
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| 09:16.29 | afabian | ultraviolet16: there's a commandline unrar utility |
| 09:16.40 | afabian | I don't think it's free software. |
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| 09:16.59 | ultraviolet16 | damn, so I have to add the non-free lines to my sources.list right? |
| 09:17.25 | afabian | ultraviolet16: i think so. |
| 09:18.16 | seanj | can anybody tell me how root can congfigure networking for sarge? i skipped ethernet config at installation and now i can't fix it |
| 09:18.21 | streuner | ultraviolet16: apt-cache search rar |
| 09:18.23 | ultraviolet16 | ok thanks plenty. might it be available in the marillat directory |
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| 09:18.51 | streuner | ultraviolet16: apt-cache show rar |
| 09:19.06 | streuner | ultraviolet16: that's a little difference... |
| 09:19.09 | eric_ | oh well take care |
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| 09:19.24 | Grant_ | Is Sarge now stable? |
| 09:19.33 | streuner | !sarge |
| 09:19.33 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 09:19.43 | afabian | Grant_: it's up to r1, even. |
| 09:19.56 | streuner | Grant_: Where do you live? |
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| 09:21.36 | streuner | Grant_: it shouldn't be too bad, because you have i-net connection at least |
| 09:21.40 | Grant_ | Sydney :D |
| 09:21.47 | Grant_ | i-net connection meh? |
| 09:21.56 | Grant_ | erm nm |
| 09:21.59 | streuner | internet connection |
| 09:22.00 | Grant_ | we haven an isp here called IINET |
| 09:22.01 | Grant_ | lol |
| 09:22.08 | Grant_ | that's what i thought you meant for a second :) |
| 09:22.29 | seanj | . |
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| 09:24.57 | seanj | does _anyone_ know how to reconfigure ethernet in Sarge? |
| 09:25.11 | streuner | via interfaces? |
| 09:25.38 | ultraviolet16 | ok if anyone saw my issue back with unrar you need to add the non-free sources to install it, if you ever have that problem |
| 09:25.39 | _joey | man interfaces |
| 09:25.40 | streuner | seanj: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 09:25.40 | bonez39 | seanj, been a while since I configured net on my box.. |
| 09:25.49 | seanj | streuner, i tried that. copied an example for the man page and it didn't work :( |
| 09:25.59 | seanj | ooo thank you |
| 09:26.10 | seanj | only have to do it once, huh bonez39? |
| 09:26.12 | seanj | :) |
| 09:26.13 | _joey | run /etc/init.d/network restart afterwards |
| 09:26.20 | seanj | ah k.. thank you joey |
| 09:26.20 | bonez39 | anyone here using rdesktop to remotely control xphome |
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| 09:26.38 | bonez39 | seanj, well, I am fortunate that I had to set mine up once and that it's kept on working since then |
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| 09:27.30 | _joey | is there a problem with ubuntu ? |
| 09:28.10 | streuner | _joey: we aren't care, we are in #debian ;-) |
| 09:28.19 | _joey | who we ? |
| 09:29.36 | bonez39 | 'aren't care'? hehe |
| 09:30.02 | ultraviolet16 | ok now that rar archive i'm trying to read doesn't seem to be an archive. is there a way to analyze a file, say know it's make up.. like an image or text file? |
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| 09:30.21 | streuner | bonez39: use a whole sentence, otherwise some things wouldn't make sense... |
| 09:30.41 | _joey | on irc people are making so many grammar errors after a while you become oblivious to them :) |
| 09:30.55 | streuner | ultraviolet16: try 'file foo.file' |
| 09:31.33 | _joey | streuner it's all right talk about other distros or os in general on any channel |
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| 09:31.51 | _joey | as long as you are not asking a specific question |
| 09:31.59 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: damn thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 09:32.16 | streuner | _joey: yes in #linux or similar channels, but those flamewars are just boring |
| 09:32.45 | _joey | flamewars ? |
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| 09:33.04 | _joey | you are the one who's starting one ;) |
| 09:33.05 | streuner | _joey: discussions |
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| 09:33.41 | streuner | _joey: what the fuck you are talking about? <_joey> is there a problem with ubuntu ? |
| 09:33.42 | bonez39 | streuner, I usually try to, but was commenting on your remarkable "_joey: we aren't care, we are in #debian ;-)" sentence...... |
| 09:33.43 | sdakota | hey guys :) |
| 09:34.08 | bonez39 | no biggie... |
| 09:34.13 | sdakota | why doesn't SSH remote setup work?deb http://debian.alternc.org sarge main |
| 09:34.13 | sdakota | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.16 | sdakota | euh ? |
| 09:34.18 | bonez39 | es ist mir Wurst.... |
| 09:34.18 | sdakota | wth |
| 09:34.28 | sdakota | Sorry, I pushed paste button on accident... |
| 09:34.41 | _joey | streuner: was talking about your head. How big is it ? |
| 09:35.03 | streuner | bonez39: oh, das ist eine Redewendung... ;-) |
| 09:35.31 | sdakota | I mean - I turned on SSH remote setup (by selecting network_console as a module), and I used "Continue installation using SSH" |
| 09:35.52 | _joey | now, that's an eEnglish speaking channel and you are breaking the channel rules chatting in another language |
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| 09:36.20 | sdakota | _joey: it's quite logical that they talk in another language... ^_^ |
| 09:36.28 | bonez39 | streuner, Moment mal...muss im Woerterbuch schauen....fuer "Redewendung" |
| 09:36.29 | _joey | capisce ?:) |
| 09:36.33 | sdakota | _joey: you wouldn't like it if they said that in english... |
| 09:36.46 | _joey | I don't care :) |
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| 09:37.23 | sdakota | bonez39: ich glaube es ist ein Wendung des Redes? ;) |
| 09:37.31 | streuner | bonez39: you say it without thinking... :-) |
| 09:37.32 | phlak | wtf |
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| 09:38.04 | bonez39 | exactly.....I do that too....... |
| 09:38.13 | bonez39 | when streuner said it, just hit my funny bone.... |
| 09:38.28 | bonez39 | sowieso...... |
| 09:38.33 | _joey | no, no he asked you to bone him |
| 09:38.41 | _joey | that's what he asked lol |
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| 09:39.43 | Jmax | i can't seem to be ableto install sun java, i followed the directions here http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx without error, and still have the "basic" java installed |
| 09:39.53 | bonez39 | _joey, sorry for the german digression.... |
| 09:39.56 | sdakota | I mean - I turned on SSH remote setup (by selecting network_console as a module), and I used "Continue installation using SSH", and went through the wizard untill it said "Please connect with your SSH client"... so now, when I connect using installer:password, I can see a prompt for about a millisecond, then I see a blue screen with some odd characters, and then it disconnects... what can that be? |
| 09:40.08 | rer | hi there ! is anyone familiar with dm-crypt ? I want to encrypt my complete laptop-harddisk and I want to use lvm2 to be able to resize the partiontions lateron. is this a good idea ? any experiences ? |
| 09:41.09 | bonez39 | _joey, the word for bone is 'knochen' or 'bein'... |
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| 09:41.33 | King_Brad | where can i find a list of apt sources? |
| 09:41.39 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 09:41.39 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 09:41.48 | King_Brad | thanks!! :) |
| 09:42.18 | sdakota | I now pushed "enter" at the server and reconnected, now I could see an option list with two things and a button, and then I got the blue screen again and it disconnected... |
| 09:42.57 | sdakota | I couldn't even do a thing at that prompt, because it was away so fast |
| 09:43.06 | King_Brad | can i use apt-get to upgrade my kernel and all that stuff? |
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| 09:43.38 | sdakota | King_Brad, when there's a new version, you can use apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade your kernel. |
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| 09:44.05 | King_Brad | sweeet |
| 09:44.06 | King_Brad | thanks! |
| 09:44.08 | fpitt_ | Ciao |
| 09:44.28 | King_Brad | k 1 more |
| 09:44.51 | Eulex | !it |
| 09:44.51 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 09:44.55 | sdakota | by the way, you can use netselect-apt to automatically select the fastest apt mirrors - but after that, don't forget to add the security repositories too |
| 09:44.57 | King_Brad | when i do apt-get install kdebase it gives me broken packages...will adding more than just the security help cure this problem? |
| 09:45.10 | King_Brad | security == the security apt sources |
| 09:45.17 | Eulex | King_Brad, is this sarge, etch or unstable? |
| 09:45.19 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: probably not. |
| 09:45.23 | Guerin | King_Brad: security won't help you at all in this case |
| 09:45.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell King_Brad -about bat |
| 09:45.28 | King_Brad | uhh, its 3.0r1 itrhink |
| 09:45.29 | Guerin | since you're clearly not running stable |
| 09:45.35 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: follow those instructions and give us that information. |
| 09:45.35 | sdakota | Eulex: the guy didn't even said anything italian! except for "ciao", but I don't think that's so bad.. |
| 09:46.08 | sdakota | !tell me -about bat |
| 09:46.10 | Eulex | sdakota, yeah. maybe I was a little quick there... |
| 09:46.29 | King_Brad | yep |
| 09:46.31 | King_Brad | that fixed it |
| 09:46.33 | King_Brad | awsome :) |
| 09:46.49 | King_Brad | it didnt have anywhere to download packages from |
| 09:47.00 | King_Brad | so i gave it sources.. and its downloadin whats needed :) |
| 09:47.40 | King_Brad | how can i tell if i'm running etch or what not?? |
| 09:48.06 | King_Brad | like, is there a command i can run to tell me kernel ver and all that good info |
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| 09:48.38 | Eulex | King_Brad, check /etc/apt/sources.list and see if it says woody, sarge, etch, sid, oldstable, stable, testing or unstable |
| 09:48.53 | King_Brad | okay |
| 09:48.58 | King_Brad | what about looking at kernel ver? |
| 09:49.07 | King_Brad | i dont think uname does.... does it? |
| 09:49.15 | Eulex | King_Brad, that has got nothing to do with debian release |
| 09:49.17 | sdakota | what is recommended for the root partition? Ext2, Ext3, Reiser, ... or swap ^^ ? |
| 09:49.21 | sdakota | ^_^ |
| 09:49.22 | King_Brad | i know |
| 09:49.32 | King_Brad | i am wanting to know how to check kernel ver :P |
| 09:49.35 | sdakota | (for the laughing people, yes, swap was just a joke ;)) |
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| 09:49.57 | Eulex | King_Brad, you could also do apt-cache policy libc6 and let us interpret the installed version |
| 09:50.05 | Eulex | King_Brad, yes, uname -ar to check your kernel version |
| 09:50.11 | Guerin | !what am i running is <reply> What? You don't know what branch of what OS you're running? To find out, compare the output of dpkg -l libc6; cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy; with known versions, such as are to be found on packages.debian.org. |
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| 09:50.14 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 09:50.15 | King_Brad | cool |
| 09:50.18 | Eulex | sdakota, was just gonna ask if you're insane or not ;P |
| 09:50.25 | sdakota | Eulex: ;) |
| 09:50.36 | sdakota | LOL |
| 09:50.48 | Guerin | sdakota: if you have to ask, use ext3 |
| 09:50.57 | sdakota | Guerin: OK |
| 09:51.03 | sdakota | !tell me about what am i running |
| 09:51.20 | King_Brad | okay, dumb question, does debian support clustering (performace clustering) |
| 09:51.35 | Guerin | King_Brad: of course it does. |
| 09:51.40 | King_Brad | thought so |
| 09:51.45 | King_Brad | dumb quesiton like i said :) |
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| 09:52.08 | Guerin | koshbot: what are you? |
| 09:52.16 | Eulex | sdakota, you should at least not use ext2... it's outdated and has no journal... |
| 09:52.18 | sdakota | ok -- in this PC are 3 hard disks, one is 40 GB and I've assigned / to that, and one is 6.4 GB and one is 15 GB... what to do with the rest? |
| 09:52.25 | sdakota | Eulex: yea, that was kind of a joke too. |
| 09:52.45 | Guerin | sdakota: and reiserfs is DEFINITELY a joke |
| 09:52.46 | sdakota | Eulex: the real actual question was what to choose between reiser and ext3. |
| 09:52.50 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:52.56 | Guerin | no question at all, then |
| 09:52.56 | sdakota | Guerin: Nah, reiser was quite serious ;) |
| 09:52.59 | King_Brad | heres a question |
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| 09:53.07 | King_Brad | wha tis the better FileSystem to use? |
| 09:53.10 | King_Brad | for performace |
| 09:53.16 | Guerin | !filesystems |
| 09:53.17 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 09:53.19 | owner989 | why can kaboodle play all file types including wmv/asf but kaffeine cant? |
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| 09:53.34 | SlayerXP | sdakota: do you want your data to spontaneously explode into a twisted mess of frayed knots? |
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| 09:53.40 | streuner | if you are insane enough just run Reiser |
| 09:53.46 | Guerin | owner989: #kde |
| 09:53.49 | King_Brad | man, is there anything that bot wont tell me? |
| 09:54.00 | sdakota | SlayerXP: Euhh... if I could prevent that, it would probably be a good idea... ;) |
| 09:54.08 | Eulex | King_Brad, no. dpkg is all-mighty. |
| 09:54.17 | King_Brad | can it tell me a good joke? |
| 09:54.19 | SlayerXP | sdakota: then don't use reiserfs |
| 09:54.20 | sdakota | !joke |
| 09:54.21 | dpkg | stop abusing the bot already |
| 09:54.23 | Guerin | dpkg knows more than 26,000 things, which is more than most people |
| 09:54.23 | dpkg | Guerin: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:54.23 | Eulex | !greenhouse |
| 09:54.23 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 09:54.29 | sdakota | King_Brad: Yes, type !joke ;) |
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| 09:54.41 | King_Brad | lol |
| 09:54.42 | sdakota | Guerin: He obviously didn't like that ;) |
| 09:54.53 | sdakota | Guerin: but he doesn't know the alphabet |
| 09:54.53 | King_Brad | i just spent 2 days triyng to install gentoo |
| 09:54.55 | sdakota | !alphabet |
| 09:55.02 | owner989 | kanotix uses reiserfs by default |
| 09:55.06 | owner989 | why is it dangerous? |
| 09:55.07 | sdakota | !alphabet is abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz |
| 09:55.07 | dpkg | okay, sdakota |
| 09:55.09 | sdakota | :) |
| 09:55.13 | sdakota | !tell me about alphabet |
| 09:55.13 | King_Brad | got it all done, then couldnt get grub to find the fucking thing and boot it |
| 09:55.17 | King_Brad | waist of time |
| 09:55.19 | Guerin | owner989: kanotix is for madmen |
| 09:55.24 | sdakota | Eah ^_^ |
| 09:55.35 | sdakota | ok -- in this PC are 3 hard disks, one is 40 GB and I've assigned / to that, and one is 6.4 GB and one is 15 GB... what to do with the rest? |
| 09:55.52 | opqdonut | sdakota: swap? var? home? |
| 09:55.57 | Guerin | kanotix is a mix of stable, testing and unstable, and for a while there it had experimental in its default sources |
| 09:56.15 | Guerin | it's like knoppix on crystal meth |
| 09:56.19 | owner989 | lol |
| 09:56.19 | sdakota | opqdonut, the problem with that is - when I ever run out of space at one partition and the other one has a lot left, I definately run into trouble |
| 09:56.26 | King_Brad | is there a website with a tut that will show me how to make something start as a "service" in debian? |
| 09:56.33 | Guerin | !services |
| 09:56.34 | dpkg | services is, like, to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 09:56.50 | opqdonut | sdakota: well, make an lvm and leave plenty of space to grow partitions in |
| 09:57.02 | sdakota | opqdonut: Euh, ok ^^ |
| 09:57.03 | King_Brad | thank u my friend! |
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| 09:57.07 | sdakota | !thanks |
| 09:57.08 | dpkg | sure thing, sdakota |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | !u |
| 09:57.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:57.16 | Guerin | ok |
| 09:57.19 | sdakota | !tell king_brad about thanks |
| 09:57.21 | Guerin | enough botsturbation |
| 09:57.21 | sdakota | ehehe ^^ |
| 09:57.45 | Eulex | !botabuse |
| 09:57.45 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 09:57.54 | King_Brad | hehe |
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| 09:58.21 | King_Brad | thanks for your help guys |
| 09:58.23 | King_Brad | :) |
| 09:58.24 | King_Brad | laters |
| 09:58.25 | Diazepam | Merry Xmas all - time to put the kids toys together! Have a great night and a safe chrissy |
| 09:58.53 | streuner | owner989: 'Reiser' thinks that every modern FS should be designed from the base every year new |
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| 09:59.01 | pingouin | god hates us all |
| 09:59.10 | streuner | owner989: so its not very well tested then... |
| 09:59.14 | pingouin | so...Xmas.... |
| 09:59.16 | Guerin | pingouin: no ... god only hates christians |
| 09:59.24 | pingouin | :) |
| 09:59.38 | Guerin | all religions have something to offer |
| 10:01.12 | sdakota | ok, now I've got 40 GB root, 1.5 GB swap, and 20 GB lvm... what to put in the LVM ? ;) |
| 10:02.39 | Guerin | sdakota: i think porn is traditional |
| 10:02.51 | aequis | Indeed. |
| 10:03.39 | sdakota | Guerin: according to the official filesystem stuff, the partition should probably be named /var/porn, and /etc/porn.conf for the automatical porn daemon ;) |
| 10:03.54 | Guerin | sdakota: link |
| 10:04.06 | sdakota | !link |
| 10:04.21 | sdakota | Guerin: Uh? |
| 10:04.32 | Eulex | hmm, NoKy- seems to have been really easy to terminate. I'd require at least signal 1 to terminate, probably even 9. |
| 10:04.34 | Guerin | sdakota: i want proof |
| 10:04.46 | Guerin | and if you don't give it to me I shall point and laugh at you. |
| 10:05.00 | sdakota | Guerin: No, you want me to put the porn in /var/www/porn and install a webserver ;) Admit it! Admit it! |
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| 10:05.47 | Guerin | hah |
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| 10:05.59 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:06.03 | owner989 | amarok uses almost 100mb of memory just to play an mp3 |
| 10:06.08 | Guerin | john holt beats the black-eyed peas |
| 10:06.21 | sdakota | owner989, use mpg321 to play mp3's ;) |
| 10:06.22 | Eulex | owner989, it's called kde. |
| 10:06.35 | owner989 | but so many people have a love affair with kde |
| 10:06.43 | owner989 | even though the apps are buggy that come with it |
| 10:06.51 | Guerin | owner989: also true of gnome |
| 10:06.58 | Guerin | and OSX |
| 10:07.19 | owner989 | kde has the buggiest apps |
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| 10:07.23 | mae | heh |
| 10:07.28 | Guerin | dunno about that |
| 10:07.28 | Eulex | and windows, but without the love affair |
| 10:07.28 | mae | kde apps are buggy |
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| 10:07.33 | mae | well some of them |
| 10:07.35 | Guerin | gnome apps are pretty craptastic as well |
| 10:07.46 | mae | Guerin: depends which one :) |
| 10:07.48 | Guerin | and then there's appleware |
| 10:07.57 | Guerin | mae: here's your captain obvious hat |
| 10:07.58 | King_Brad | okay, i have my debian system installed with kdebase (no actually gui just text at console) but, i used a system eairler this week where it ran text at console, then used vncserver to make a GUI... i have my deb system setup just like the other system but, vnc wont connect... any idea why? |
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| 10:08.15 | sdakota | what is the maximal size of /etc/ for a server system? |
| 10:08.24 | Guerin | sdakota: big as you like |
| 10:08.25 | afabian | xterm is the bomb. konsole and gnome-terminal both have bugs that really annoy me. |
| 10:08.26 | xychix | is therer? |
| 10:08.31 | Guerin | rxvt & |
| 10:08.31 | xychix | sdakota: none :P |
| 10:08.36 | afabian | rxvt ... no X resources. |
| 10:08.40 | xychix | aterm rules |
| 10:08.51 | Guerin | rxvt does so use xresources |
| 10:09.05 | afabian | Guerin: I seem to remember having trouble changing the font. |
| 10:09.10 | Eulex | xfce4-terminal++ |
| 10:09.13 | sdakota | Guerin: I mean, usually |
| 10:09.19 | afabian | I'd just as soon use it if I could; I certainly don't need Tektronix 4104 emulation. |
| 10:09.21 | Guerin | afabian: that's because you think it doesn't use xresources |
| 10:09.34 | owner989 | you cant copy and paste into xterm though afabian |
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| 10:10.07 | sdakota | Guerin: What's the usual size of an /etc partition? |
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| 10:10.23 | afabian | owner989: You can. Using the X convention of pasting with the middle button. |
| 10:10.23 | mae | afabian: xterm also loads up really fast :) |
| 10:10.34 | streuner | sdakota: a few MB |
| 10:10.36 | afabian | And copying into the buffer is automatic when you highlight with the left. |
| 10:10.44 | sdakota | streuner: Ok, I'll make it 1 GB :) |
| 10:10.49 | Eulex | sdakota, mine's 38mb |
| 10:11.19 | Guerin | sdakota: don't put /etc/ on its own partition |
| 10:11.23 | mae | afabian: how can i change xterms' colors? |
| 10:11.27 | Guerin | sdakota: it should live in / |
| 10:11.44 | afabian | mae: XTerm*background: black |
| 10:11.52 | afabian | From my ~/.Xresources |
| 10:12.53 | mae | afabian do i have to restart x? |
| 10:13.06 | afabian | mae: xrdb -load .Xresources |
| 10:13.20 | afabian | But you will have to restart the xterm, or edit the resources of the running ones with editres |
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| 10:13.44 | Guerin | you'll need to merge the resources file too |
| 10:13.49 | mae | ah perfect |
| 10:13.53 | mae | afabian: now how to change font? |
| 10:14.08 | afabian | XTerm*faceName: '-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*' |
| 10:14.13 | sdakota | Guerin: and what about /var ? |
| 10:14.19 | afabian | My install is clean. I haven't found a good font again yet. |
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| 10:14.39 | Guerin | sdakota: /var should be its own partition |
| 10:14.54 | afabian | mae: xfontsel will show you the available fonts. |
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| 10:15.19 | streuner | sdakota: server or desktop? |
| 10:15.31 | sdakota | Guerin: well, /var/www is also on it and I'd like to keep the total as big as possible |
| 10:15.36 | sdakota | streuner: Server |
| 10:15.39 | mae | afabian: you rock :) |
| 10:16.17 | afabian | -*-fixed-*-r-*-*-14-110-*-*-*-*-*-* looks pretty good in this rxvt |
| 10:16.53 | paveq | I have root in lvm and default kernel works, but when I try to compile my own, it doesnt |
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| 10:17.12 | paveq | I'm quite sure I have all support needed compiled in |
| 10:17.19 | afabian | Guerin: hm. can you change the font in a running rxvt? I always liked the xterm's menus. |
| 10:17.39 | Eulex | paveq, if the default kernel works, why bother compiling your own? |
| 10:17.55 | paveq | uh |
| 10:18.01 | paveq | weird question |
| 10:18.05 | paveq | because I want |
| 10:18.18 | paveq | I always do that |
| 10:18.20 | paveq | :P |
| 10:18.55 | paveq | but do I have to do some inird magic for lvm thingy |
| 10:19.05 | paveq | never done that |
| 10:19.15 | Eulex | paveq, not if you've got everything neede compiled in (that is, not as modules) |
| 10:19.18 | Eulex | *needed |
| 10:19.40 | paveq | yep, fs supports, and lvm support |
| 10:19.46 | paveq | what else it could need |
| 10:20.05 | afabian | xterm has been flaking out on me lately. Whenever I try to set the faceName resource, I get the same big font. It's strange. rxvt seems to work properly on this one. |
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| 10:20.14 | Eulex | paveq, support for your ide or sata chipset |
| 10:20.30 | paveq | uhm |
| 10:20.35 | aidee | hey cool... there's a debian channel! |
| 10:20.36 | paveq | I should have that |
| 10:20.40 | hans | hey, I just installed Debian, but only got a command line when I boot, startx does not work. Did i miss something? |
| 10:20.55 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 10:20.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:20.57 | paveq | hans: did you install X |
| 10:20.59 | paveq | :) |
| 10:21.13 | paveq | hans: and configured? |
| 10:21.24 | hans | well I installed something with dekstop environment i thought |
| 10:21.34 | paveq | hans: apt-get install xserver-x11 |
| 10:21.45 | paveq | or something reconfigure.. |
| 10:21.47 | paveq | dunno |
| 10:21.48 | hans | ok thanks |
| 10:21.52 | sdakota | aidee: ofcourse! |
| 10:21.55 | floundering | I want to make a duplicate root (but not boot) partition but just copying the files does not seem to work, there is not much data there yet. is there another way to do this other than dd etc.? |
| 10:22.01 | Eulex | hans, define "does not work" |
| 10:22.02 | aidee | lol |
| 10:22.16 | paveq | dpgk-reconfigure xserver-x11 |
| 10:22.24 | hans | command does not exist it said with startx |
| 10:22.31 | Eulex | paveq, they are compiled as modules in the default debian kernels and put into the initrd. |
| 10:22.45 | hans | ok thank you paveq |
| 10:22.46 | paveq | hans: then you dont got X |
| 10:22.50 | Eulex | hans, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 10:22.52 | hans | i understand |
| 10:22.53 | aidee | hey, here's a freenode question: |
| 10:22.54 | aidee | if you're the only person in a channel, aren't you supposed to have channel operator status? |
| 10:22.54 | bizkit | hans: you need xbase-clients |
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| 10:23.21 | hans | thanks guys i have enough info :) |
| 10:23.24 | bizkit | paveq: no, he has, but not the client side |
| 10:23.27 | paveq | Eulex: hmm, I wonder, can't it work if I compile them in the kernel |
| 10:23.33 | Eulex | hans, then apt-get install whatever desktop environment you want. like apt-get install kde or gnome |
| 10:23.46 | hans | ok i will try |
| 10:23.49 | Eulex | paveq, eh? |
| 10:24.11 | King_Brad | is there a way to see if xserver / xfree86 is running? |
| 10:24.30 | Guerin | King_Brad: man ps |
| 10:24.33 | Eulex | King_Brad, ps aux|grep X |
| 10:24.35 | paveq | Eulex: I don't like initrd |
| 10:24.43 | paveq | no idea how it works |
| 10:24.55 | Eulex | paveq, then you need to compile it into the kernel. and not as modules. |
| 10:24.58 | paveq | guess I have to move root out of lvm.. :/ |
| 10:25.05 | paveq | Eulex: they are in |
| 10:25.20 | King_Brad | okay |
| 10:25.25 | King_Brad | can i start xserver / xfree86 ? |
| 10:25.42 | paveq | or I could be missing something |
| 10:25.46 | Eulex | King_Brad, o'course |
| 10:25.58 | King_Brad | how? |
| 10:26.06 | King_Brad | there is no init.d for it |
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| 10:26.36 | Eulex | King_Brad, then you havenät got it installed. apt-get install x-window-system |
| 10:26.42 | Eulex | *haven't |
| 10:27.03 | King_Brad | i dont want xwindows to run, i just want the server side of xwindows... |
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| 10:27.38 | King_Brad | oh well |
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| 10:27.45 | Eulex | King_Brad, then install xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 (depending on if you're on stable or testing/unstable) |
| 10:27.45 | King_Brad | ill try it anyways... can always format... |
| 10:27.46 | King_Brad | thanks |
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| 10:27.54 | King_Brad | its sarge |
| 10:28.00 | King_Brad | so i guess stable ? |
| 10:28.10 | Eulex | King_Brad, yep. apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:28.15 | King_Brad | i did that |
| 10:28.51 | owner989 | xfree86 is redundant |
| 10:28.52 | owner989 | use xorg |
| 10:29.02 | King_Brad | ok |
| 10:29.02 | Eulex | owner989, xfree86 is in stable. |
| 10:29.20 | afabian | mae: looks like the font resource is what I needed where I had faceName. Oops. |
| 10:29.38 | Eulex | King_Brad, you could try running /etc/X11R6/bin/X |
| 10:30.00 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 10:30.01 | King_Brad | k |
| 10:30.03 | Eulex | King_Brad, btw, is this for vnc? |
| 10:30.09 | King_Brad | well |
| 10:30.11 | King_Brad | kinda ya |
| 10:30.17 | mae | afabian: hmm it worked once bu now the font wont change |
| 10:30.19 | King_Brad | its an idea i am workin on |
| 10:30.25 | King_Brad | the server is text only |
| 10:30.35 | King_Brad | but clients connect via vnc and use a regular desktop |
| 10:30.39 | King_Brad | more or less |
| 10:30.42 | Eulex | King_Brad, then start vncserver with the command line options you want |
| 10:30.46 | King_Brad | i did |
| 10:30.48 | King_Brad | i cant connect |
| 10:30.59 | King_Brad | thats why i think xfree is'nt running |
| 10:31.24 | Eulex | King_Brad, ps aux|grep vnc? |
| 10:32.05 | King_Brad | thats alot to type out |
| 10:32.36 | King_Brad | sweeeeeetness |
| 10:32.43 | King_Brad | the x-windows-system fixed it! |
| 10:32.52 | King_Brad | i just hope xwindows wont start next time i reboot the box |
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| 10:33.27 | Eulex | King_Brad, did it install xdm? |
| 10:33.41 | King_Brad | not sure |
| 10:33.48 | King_Brad | i wasnt payin attention |
| 10:34.05 | Eulex | King_Brad, apt-cache policy xdm? |
| 10:34.23 | Eulex | King_Brad, that will tell you if it's installed or not |
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| 10:34.49 | King_Brad | yes its installed |
| 10:35.42 | Eulex | King_Brad, then remove it. otherwise it will start next time you reboot. |
| 10:36.00 | King_Brad | k |
| 10:36.04 | King_Brad | thanks for info guys |
| 10:36.06 | King_Brad | im goin to bed |
| 10:36.13 | Eulex | nite |
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| 10:36.22 | vy | trying to build a kind of directory-hierarchical database on tmpfs for fast access. isn't it possible to apply a journalling on tmpfs so it'll guarantee to save lost data on a hard shutdown. (like when electricity goes off.) |
| 10:37.11 | sdakota | !nite |
| 10:37.12 | dpkg | nite sdakota |
| 10:37.13 | SlammerXP | vy: a journalling file system makes no guarantees about data integrity |
| 10:37.14 | sdakota | lol |
| 10:37.20 | sdakota | !nite dpkg |
| 10:37.27 | sdakota | !kick dpkg |
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| 10:37.34 | sdakota | !kick itself |
| 10:37.37 | sdakota | (A) |
| 10:37.46 | sdakota | ok, whatever... |
| 10:38.04 | Guerin | sdakota: must you be such an annoying twat? |
| 10:38.16 | SlammerXP | Guerin: I would think so |
| 10:38.20 | sdakota | Guerin: Euh, no ;) |
| 10:38.34 | Eulex | !botabuse |
| 10:38.35 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 10:38.40 | vy | SlammerXP: isn't it possible to make a synchronization interface between tmpfs and hda? |
| 10:38.51 | SlammerXP | vy: I neither know nor care :) |
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| 10:38.57 | usn | good morning |
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| 10:39.03 | AlexW | hey all |
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| 10:39.23 | AlexW | whos good at .htaccess |
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| 10:39.42 | doubleukay | !asktoask |
| 10:39.49 | AlexW | :P |
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| 10:39.52 | bizkit | AlexW: #apache |
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| 10:39.54 | SlammerXP | AlexW: can you be less specific? |
| 10:39.57 | athoslnx | hi |
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| 10:40.10 | AlexW | i cant get any help in there, i need help with RewriteCond |
| 10:40.17 | Guerin | AlexW: httpd.apache.org is *perfect* at .htaccess |
| 10:40.22 | SlammerXP | AlexW: why not ask in #cisco? |
| 10:40.41 | Guerin | i hear #politics is good for these sorts of questions too |
| 10:40.44 | AlexW | whats it matter i can still get help on apache in here? |
| 10:40.48 | AlexW | lol |
| 10:40.51 | kzar | I was wondering if anyone know how to restore the mbr using grub? I backed up my debian install with dd but I need to restore the mbr too so it can boot |
| 10:41.21 | bizkit | !tell AlexW about ask |
| 10:41.22 | Eulex | !fixmbr |
| 10:41.23 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
| 10:41.26 | Guerin | kzar: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 10:41.29 | galois | Guerin: thanks, didn't know #politics existed :) |
| 10:41.37 | AlexW | i just quickly wanted to know, i have RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/chat , if php is telling me the request_uri is /chat why wouldnt that condition work? |
| 10:41.41 | Guerin | galois: abandon all sanity ye who enter there |
| 10:41.49 | kzar | cool thanks |
| 10:41.53 | athoslnx | i have a problem whith asus a8ne- ultra realtek driver for ACL850 and VLC A/52 over spdif!! the audio stereo is ok , the 5.1 in star wars 3 is mute! |
| 10:42.19 | galois | Guerin: looks like it might be fun/enlightening |
| 10:42.19 | Eulex | athoslnx, umh... running it in wine? |
| 10:42.28 | Guerin | galois: haha |
| 10:42.42 | Guerin | galois: i suppose it depends what tickles your fanny |
| 10:42.52 | athoslnx | Eulex i m not use wine! |
| 10:42.53 | galois | Guerin: I am not too hot on world politics, more of a UK person |
| 10:43.06 | Eulex | athoslnx, run alsamixer and check to see that it's not muted. |
| 10:43.11 | Guerin | galois: oh ... you're not hoping to learn anything in there, are you? |
| 10:43.19 | galois | Guerin: ... hopeful |
| 10:43.21 | Eulex | athoslnx, how are you running that star wars thingy then? |
| 10:43.39 | Guerin | galois: hahaha |
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| 10:44.19 | Eulex | athoslnx, last time I checked, lucasarts didn't release software for linux. |
| 10:44.34 | galois | Eulex: is he watching a film? |
| 10:44.47 | Eulex | galois, ah |
| 10:45.03 | athoslnx | Eulex i hve only a optical oypout and decoder 5.1 !! the iec958 is my outpout in stereo mode is ok!! have test hw (0:0) and hw (0:2) |
| 10:45.04 | Eulex | athoslnx, sorry, was assuming you were talking about a game. |
| 10:45.21 | Eulex | athoslnx, what video player are you using? |
| 10:45.22 | athoslnx | Eulex no is DVD film |
| 10:45.33 | athoslnx | VLC Eulex |
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| 10:46.00 | zparta | hey, does debian support the gfx in SGI computers ? specialy the SGI O2 |
| 10:46.16 | athoslnx | Eulex, my distro is etch whith sid repositoryes and default testing apt.conf |
| 10:46.19 | Guerin | zparta: debian doesn't support anything. The linux kernel does. |
| 10:46.22 | Guerin | or doesn't |
| 10:46.26 | Eulex | athoslnx, I think #vlc and #alsa can help you more than #debian. |
| 10:46.45 | Eulex | Guerin, umh, in this case it's X that does or doesn't support it... |
| 10:46.52 | athoslnx | Eulex tnk!!! |
| 10:46.59 | galois | zparta: probably - check with x |
| 10:47.33 | zparta | galois: not X wise but console, if i am gonna run netbsd on it i have to use the seriel port as display :P |
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| 10:48.30 | Eulex | zparta, ah -- it's not very likely that it won't work in a console |
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| 10:49.58 | Eulex | zparta, you could ask in a channel that has sgi and linux as it's main topic though, to get a more accurate answer. |
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| 10:51.16 | sdakota | anyone here knows a good WORKING hosting control panel? |
| 10:52.08 | SlammerXP | sdakota: yes, you hire someone who knows that they're doing. |
| 10:52.16 | Eulex | sdakota, ssh and command line tools. |
| 10:52.50 | paveq | its doesn't want to boot :( |
| 10:53.09 | paveq | looks like it won't reconize lvm at all |
| 10:53.12 | galois | sdakota: you mean for you or for your users? |
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| 10:54.36 | kzar | when I run chroot /mnt/hda1 I get an error "chroot: cannot run command '/bin/zsh': No such file or directory". |
| 10:55.01 | paveq | kzar: install zsh |
| 10:55.11 | paveq | or use bash |
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| 10:55.26 | paveq | chroot /mnt/hda1 /bin/bash |
| 10:55.40 | kzar | paveq: well its installed on the livecd but I can't install it on my actual system untill I have got this working :( |
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| 10:55.53 | kzar | paveq: What does that do? |
| 10:56.03 | paveq | it uses bash |
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| 10:56.14 | Brut | s |
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| 10:56.42 | Eulex | heh |
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| 11:00.00 | kzar | paveq: tah it did the job |
| 11:00.39 | paveq | kzar: then you can apt-get install zsh |
| 11:00.50 | paveq | and then chroot back normally |
| 11:00.53 | paveq | without bash |
| 11:00.58 | paveq | if you want to |
| 11:01.43 | kzar | paveq: ok, thanks |
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| 11:07.23 | bizkit | :) |
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| 11:11.33 | tam | i have a file that is 3.5 gig that i won't to transfer from my server in the us (the perms are correct) but it's 3.5 gig in size, and it gives me a 403 when i try and download from it - could there be an apache directive saying 'if over $mb send a 403'? |
| 11:12.09 | zparta | 403 aint tha tpermission denied ? |
| 11:12.21 | Grant_ | Hey hwo do i check what postfix has sitting in que etc? is there a web interface to do this? |
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| 11:12.56 | caphuso | tam: split it into two parts <= 2GiB |
| 11:13.01 | tam | zparta: yes, but the perms are correct |
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| 11:13.15 | Omnix | tam: or use a different protocol |
| 11:13.25 | zparta | like ftp :) |
| 11:13.31 | tam | Omnix: i scp'd it over originally. |
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| 11:13.52 | Omnix | tam: yes, and? |
| 11:14.06 | tam | and i moved it to a filesystem which didn't have enough space. i don't want to transfer it all over again i just wanted the last 50mb or so that is not there now |
| 11:14.12 | sciboy | Hi, my name is Sciboy, and i'm borderlining internet addiction, so i was wondering if i can set a cronjob to disable the internet between 8pm and 6pm and enable it 6pm to 8pm. |
| 11:14.22 | sciboy | I have gnome-schedule installed. |
| 11:14.27 | tam | Omnix: i don't think scp has a continue option (i could be wrong but i just checked the man page) |
| 11:14.28 | Omnix | tam: use rsync over SSH or something to fix it |
| 11:14.32 | Guerin | sciboy: you have my permission |
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| 11:14.38 | hans | hey I installed kde and xserver, but when I start x it says 'no screens found' |
| 11:14.54 | hans | i think i am having problems with the driver.. |
| 11:14.54 | Eulex | tam, many protocols have problems with files that are bigger than 2gb. it depends on both server and client. most likely the client is the problem in this case |
| 11:14.55 | Guerin | !drxx hans |
| 11:14.55 | dpkg | hans: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:15.01 | Eulex | !no screens found |
| 11:15.01 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 11:15.13 | sciboy | Guerin: Good that means you know what you're doing, so how would i set it to do my bidding? |
| 11:15.16 | tam | Eulex: it could well be matey |
| 11:15.30 | hans | ok thanks for the quick respond :) |
| 11:15.41 | sciboy | Guerin: ifconfig eth0 down would be effective enough, i would need to enable it when really needed. =P |
| 11:15.41 | caphuso | it's not the protocol |
| 11:15.46 | caphuso | it's apache |
| 11:15.48 | Omnix | tam: assuming you're using Apache, the server has a 2GB limit before 2.1 IIRC. |
| 11:16.00 | Omnix | tam: use rsync, it'll save you a lot of time |
| 11:16.01 | Grant_ | Guerin is the man!!! |
| 11:16.06 | Grant_ | lol |
| 11:16.17 | SlammerXP | guerin is a man?!?!?!?! |
| 11:16.25 | tam | Omnix: ahh! it will be apache then. thanks. i'll go take a peak at rysnc - thanks |
| 11:16.31 | Grant_ | meh |
| 11:16.31 | sciboy | ... I need to go take a shower. |
| 11:16.34 | sciboy | I feel dirty. |
| 11:16.35 | Grant_ | !beer Guerin |
| 11:16.52 | Eulex | "exquisite Piraat"? |
| 11:17.58 | Omnix | tam: sorry, I meant Apache 2.2. |
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| 11:19.48 | triumph_ | morning all, anybody know a spyware scanner for linux / debian? |
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| 11:20.41 | harryl | whats up with ogle? can play 1 of my DVD's but craps out with another |
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| 11:21.13 | harryl | ogle says decoder not loaded |
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| 11:21.40 | harryl | how do I decode then? |
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| 11:22.17 | blaamann | harryl: You have libdvdcss ? |
| 11:22.28 | harryl | shhhh yup |
| 11:22.44 | blaamann | harryl: Have you tried another player ? |
| 11:22.46 | harryl | yes |
| 11:22.55 | harryl | tried mplayer |
| 11:23.15 | harryl | mplayer was weird |
| 11:23.18 | blaamann | harryl: And did it work ? |
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| 11:24.02 | harryl | mplayer had trouble with that dvd too, something with audio and video buffers |
| 11:24.20 | blaamann | harryl: What error message ? |
| 11:24.32 | harryl | trying to remember |
| 11:24.41 | Guerin | triumph_: haha |
| 11:24.50 | harryl | 4096 something |
| 11:24.57 | blaamann | harryl: What version of mplayer and debian ? |
| 11:25.28 | harryl | sarge debian and mplayer-586 mplayer-386 mplayer-686 tried em all |
| 11:25.51 | harryl | 2.4 kernel |
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| 11:27.17 | harryl | dvd seems the hardest thing to make work |
| 11:28.29 | harryl | is there a hardware decoded dvd player for linux? |
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| 11:30.19 | harryl | maybe it is just that dvd, but hollywood bound to catch on and keep using that mix |
| 11:30.26 | blaamann | harryl: I have no problems with playing DVD using MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.5 |
| 11:30.59 | harryl | do you have to use source to get that version |
| 11:31.18 | vasundhar | Any alsa experts here, ? to help me restart it |
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| 11:31.52 | dondelelcaro | vasundhar: it's a kernel driver. You shouldn't need to restart it. |
| 11:31.54 | blaamann | harryl: marillat |
| 11:32.21 | harryl | I think I have that in sources.list |
| 11:32.41 | harryl | but version doesnt seem same as what I had |
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| 11:33.08 | blaamann | harryl: What is your version, just run mplayer and it will tell you the version |
| 11:33.35 | harryl | got rid of it and all traces in cache, but I copied version you gave me |
| 11:34.05 | harryl | version number 7-3.3.5 |
| 11:34.26 | triumph_ | Guerin: well for some reason my install of firefox allows popups to occur at set intervals. had firefox 1.0.4 upgraded to 1.0.7 and it still persists. asked on the #firefox channel and they suggested that it might be spyware |
| 11:34.46 | triumph_ | Guerin: any other suggestions? |
| 11:34.49 | Guerin | wtf |
| 11:35.01 | Guerin | triumph_: they're full o' shit |
| 11:35.23 | Guerin | triumph_: did you tell them you were running debian, not windows |
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| 11:35.26 | blaamann | triumph_: #firefox is FUDding about linux then |
| 11:35.32 | Eulex | vasundhar, /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 11:35.55 | Guerin | unsurprising, since most of the devs are windows users |
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| 11:39.19 | harryl | yeah I see, I tried 1.0pre7-0.0 |
| 11:39.50 | harryl | very different I m sure from 7-3.3.5 |
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| 11:43.14 | Blue2 | Is it possible to make a bootable debian image on a usb key with windows? |
| 11:43.25 | Blue2 | all the guides i've seen you have to have linux installed |
| 11:44.16 | nimak | whats task-vserver |
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| 11:45.00 | nimak | nevermind |
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| 11:45.32 | Blue2 | or.. does anyone know? |
| 11:46.26 | nimak | Blues2, it should be |
| 11:46.54 | Blue2 | dunno how though |
| 11:47.12 | nimak | work around it with a livecd |
| 11:47.56 | Blue2 | :/ if i had a blank cd i wouldn't need a usb key |
| 11:48.20 | nimak | :-P |
| 11:48.29 | vasundhar | dondelelcaro: Hmm ok |
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| 11:48.40 | nimak | ill mail you one! |
| 11:49.02 | vasundhar | dondelelcaro: Can you help me out in making me understand the problem please ? |
| 11:49.48 | Blue2 | nimak: can you boot from a cdrw? |
| 11:49.52 | nimak | yeah |
| 11:49.56 | Blue2 | sweet, thanks |
| 11:50.05 | nimak | :-) |
| 11:50.06 | SerajewelKS | Blue2: as long as you've got a cd-rw drive ;) |
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| 11:50.24 | nimak | naw, you just need that to write to it |
| 11:50.27 | Blue2 | i do, last time i used them was trying to make cdrw music cds, that doesn't work btw |
| 11:50.35 | SerajewelKS | nimak: uhm, no |
| 11:50.45 | SerajewelKS | nimak: you need a drive that can read cd-rws, which is what i meant |
| 11:51.04 | nimak | oh, ok, i thought all of them could |
| 11:51.12 | Blue2 | yeah man, i've got one of them fancy dvd+-rw's |
| 11:51.24 | Blue2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.30 | SerajewelKS | nimak: newer cd-rom drives can, but not all of them will |
| 11:51.39 | dondelelcaro | vasundhar: what exactly is the problem? |
| 11:51.51 | vasundhar | Eulex: tHERE IS NO alsa-utils ... dir |
| 11:51.54 | dondelelcaro | vasundhar: ie, what tmakes you think that you should restart alsa? |
| 11:52.24 | nimak | my laptop has no removable media drives :-) |
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| 11:52.29 | vasundhar | Hmm because my gaim sound events are fine while system sound events are tampered |
| 11:52.33 | Oll_ie | hey |
| 11:52.35 | vasundhar | my alsamixer doesnt work |
| 11:52.46 | Oll_ie | ive just gone onto an ftp to get debian images (ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/) |
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| 11:52.50 | vasundhar | It said no soundcard present |
| 11:52.52 | Oll_ie | which cd's do i need? |
| 11:52.54 | Eulex | vasundhar, dpkg -L alsa-utils|grep init.d |
| 11:53.10 | nimak | you know, gaim doesnt normally use alsa |
| 11:53.35 | vasundhar | U want me to paste here? Eulex |
| 11:53.37 | Eulex | vasundhar, "system sound events"? in gnome? |
| 11:53.39 | Eulex | vasundhar, no |
| 11:53.39 | vasundhar | 2 lines ... |
| 11:53.41 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: At least 1. |
| 11:53.45 | vasundhar | Ys |
| 11:53.45 | Oll_ie | ok |
| 11:53.56 | vasundhar | join #flood |
| 11:54.00 | Eulex | Oll_ie, have you got a fast internet connection |
| 11:54.00 | Oll_ie | im guessing all the rest just install option pkg's |
| 11:54.11 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: basiclaly, yes |
| 11:54.16 | Blue2 | is r0a stable and r1 unstable? |
| 11:54.21 | Oll_ie | 2mbit HOWEVER! i cant net install cus of wlan and ndiswrapper |
| 11:54.33 | vasundhar | Eulex: check flood with vasundhar |
| 11:54.36 | Malagmyr | Is there a bot infor thingy about keeping all you want to say in one line and not press enter all the time? |
| 11:54.43 | Maulkin | Blue2: No. r1 is stable too |
| 11:54.54 | Blue2 | whats the diff? |
| 11:54.59 | Malagmyr | !enter |
| 11:54.59 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 11:55.06 | vasundhar | there is no outpidt |
| 11:55.10 | Maulkin | Blue2: r1 is the latest stable. It contains a lod of security updates |
| 11:55.25 | Blue2 | seems all the links are going to r0a shouldn't that be fixed? |
| 11:55.38 | Oll_ie | does d1 have kde on it as well? |
| 11:55.41 | Blue2 | alright, thanks |
| 11:55.49 | Eulex | vasundhar, hmm, seems like it's different in sarge than in etch. try /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 11:56.03 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: I can't really remember. |
| 11:56.06 | Oll_ie | ok |
| 11:56.11 | Oll_ie | ill guess il have to find out |
| 11:56.12 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: The rest can be installed over the net though |
| 11:56.21 | Oll_ie | iff i just download the first 3 discs for now |
| 11:56.25 | Oll_ie | o ok |
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| 11:56.29 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: You could also just get the DVD :) |
| 11:56.35 | Oll_ie | no can do chief |
| 11:56.43 | vasundhar | Yes I did and it gave [Setting up ALSA...amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: No such file or directory] |
| 11:56.46 | Oll_ie | this laptops i will install it on is old and has no dvd |
| 11:57.06 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: To be honest, if you're going to be installing over the net, you may as well get the netinst cd |
| 11:57.10 | nimak | how can i install debian from a debian system? |
| 11:57.16 | Oll_ie | im guessing debian will be pretty wierd for me to get used to as ive used slackware for ages |
| 11:57.24 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: Cause it's only 130Mb or so in size. |
| 11:57.27 | Eulex | vasundhar, <Eulex> vasundhar, "system sound events"? in gnome? |
| 11:57.43 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: It's not too differnt, just a lot better :) |
| 11:57.46 | Blue2 | Oll_ie, wait till you see your first apt-get upgrade |
| 11:57.51 | Oll_ie | Maulkin i cant cus i have wlan and ndiswrapper |
| 11:58.06 | nimak | Oll_ie: will it support boot-to-usb? |
| 11:58.20 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: Namely, use apt-get instead of swaret :) |
| 11:58.26 | Oll_ie | erm i dont think so :( |
| 11:58.31 | Eulex | Oll_ie, what chipset? is it possible to temporarily get a wired internet connection to the box? |
| 11:58.34 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: oh, and we use /etc/init.d/ rather than /etc/rc.d |
| 11:58.53 | Oll_ie | Eulex not very possible theres only a modem and no lan socket! |
| 11:58.57 | nimak | Oll_ie: i was confusing you and the other dude |
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| 11:59.03 | Maulkin | Ahh :| |
| 11:59.03 | Oll_ie | i think lemme go and investigate |
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| 11:59.25 | lobotriste | ¿alguien habla español? |
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| 11:59.40 | Eulex | Oll_ie, ah. then download the first cd, download whatever you need to get ndiswrapper running and transfer it to the linux partition |
| 11:59.40 | LoRe | is there a way to cleanly replace postfix with postfix-tls? |
| 11:59.41 | Maulkin | !es |
| 11:59.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:00.01 | LoRe | i cannot deinstall postfix because of it's dependencies |
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| 12:00.12 | Maulkin | LoRe: apt-get install postfix-tls ? |
| 12:00.20 | Oll_ie | yeh i will need to prob install amtel wlan drivers apparently |
| 12:00.35 | Eulex | Oll_ie, that is, download the things you need in winblows |
| 12:00.48 | Oll_ie | im not gonna be dual booting |
| 12:01.14 | Oll_ie | ill hae to put them onto a cd, im presuming the mount cmd is the same mount /dev/cdrom then to unmount umount ... |
| 12:01.17 | Eulex | Oll_ie, have you got any other computer there? |
| 12:01.18 | nimak | do spanish-speaking countrys' keyboards have upside-down question mark keys? |
| 12:01.23 | Maulkin | Oll_ie: Oooh, you're another uk person! :) |
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| 12:01.29 | Eulex | Oll_ie, ah, ok |
| 12:01.35 | Oll_ie | 2 laptops and a desktop on slackware |
| 12:01.38 | Eulex | nimak, probably |
| 12:01.38 | LoRe | Maulkin: http://www.rbfh.de/~danielt/postfix-tls.txt this is what is says |
| 12:02.31 | Eulex | nimak, http://www.sussex.ac.uk/its/facilities/pc/keyboards/spanish.gif |
| 12:02.40 | saapas | are there any problems with via k8t800 chipset in linux using newest drivers? especially problems with those integrated devices on such motherboard. |
| 12:02.53 | Maulkin | LoRe: are you running Sarge/Sid/Etch? |
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| 12:03.00 | LoRe | sarge |
| 12:03.09 | Eulex | LoRe, apt-cache policy postfix? |
| 12:03.15 | nimak | Eulex, i accidentally killed xserver just yesterday, im all command line |
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| 12:03.45 | LoRe | Eulex: ah, backports trouble, thank you :) |
| 12:04.35 | Eulex | nimak, heh, ok. you could get a framebuffer console. |
| 12:04.41 | Eulex | LoRe, yw :) |
| 12:04.45 | Maulkin | LoRe: if your postfix has been backported, it already supports tls |
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| 12:05.50 | LoRe | Maulkin: oh, ic |
| 12:05.54 | LoRe | thank you :) |
| 12:05.57 | JJK | Hello, While trying apt-get update, apt is complaining about being unable to get the release.gpg file, So, everytime I want to install st, it shouts a message about it. The problem is that while updating, the connection is reset by the server: |
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| 12:06.40 | Eulex | !apt security |
| 12:06.40 | dpkg | i guess apt security is see <apt secure> |
| 12:06.45 | JJK | Error http://ftp.surfnet.nl unstable Release.gpg |
| 12:06.45 | JJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.46 | Eulex | !apt secure |
| 12:06.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
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| 12:07.00 | NyteRukh | hello |
| 12:07.06 | Eulex | JJK, hmm |
| 12:07.22 | nimak | Eulex: i got the image. i want a really huge keyboard that has every ascii character, and most UTF-8 ones |
| 12:07.38 | Eulex | nimak, try gucharmap |
| 12:07.40 | JJK | Eulex, I guess it's another problem. I've used official mirrors. |
| 12:08.18 | nimak | it would just be cool/weird to have a desl-full of keyboard |
| 12:08.24 | nimak | desk |
| 12:08.39 | triumph_ | Guerin: yea, i did |
| 12:08.57 | Maulkin | nimak: http://www.alpern.org/weblog/stories/2003/01/09/projectionKeyboards.html |
| 12:09.09 | Eulex | nimak, well, if you want all utf 8-character you wouldn't be able to fit it on your desk... |
| 12:09.35 | nimak | key-combos! |
| 12:10.12 | harryl | I want to stick with sarge should ftp-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org be from sarge/main? or sid/main? |
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| 12:11.13 | Eulex | JJK, probably means that you've hit a bad or not up to date mirror. try another one. |
| 12:11.17 | Eulex | harryl, sarge |
| 12:11.22 | Maulkin | harryl: sarge == stable |
| 12:11.30 | vasundhar | Eulex: what was your question Gnome system events has sounds ... |
| 12:11.42 | harryl | then I typoed when I edited |
| 12:12.21 | Eulex | vasundhar, and it was those sounds that you didn't hear? |
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| 12:13.10 | nimak | Maulkin: iv been to that site before, i remember it from the weird looking woman at the bottom |
| 12:13.23 | JJK | Eulex, will try, however, this happened with at least two mirrors. Oh. FYI: I'm running unstable |
| 12:13.29 | vasundhar | No I am worried about the alsamixer |
| 12:13.47 | nimak | nonetheless, a good idea |
| 12:13.48 | harryl | thanks |
| 12:14.00 | JJK | Eulex, both surfnet and debian.nl have this problem. I'll try the main server now. |
| 12:14.00 | Eulex | vasundhar, you said that you could here some sounds but not all? |
| 12:14.07 | vasundhar | Yes |
| 12:14.10 | Eulex | JJK, hmm |
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| 12:14.20 | Eulex | vasundhar, which can you here and which can you not? |
| 12:14.28 | Eulex | umh |
| 12:14.29 | Eulex | *hear |
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| 12:15.40 | DonVincenzo | is anyone here using speakfreely ? |
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| 12:16.15 | JJK | Eulex, main is working. So this problem is solved, however, it's afaik not recommended to use the main server, is it? |
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| 12:17.23 | Eulex | JJK, no. you should use a mirror if possible. |
| 12:17.30 | nimak | using debootstrap, can i install to the system i am running? |
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| 12:17.58 | JJK | Eulex, I'll wait a week, and then try again with the Dutch mirrors. |
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| 12:18.18 | ratm | what size should a debian root partition (gnome included) be? |
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| 12:18.31 | ratm | have |
| 12:18.41 | roadgo | i have 6G |
| 12:18.44 | megaproxy | im such a noob for linux |
| 12:18.44 | megaproxy | lol |
| 12:18.47 | Eulex | JJK, ok |
| 12:19.03 | nimak | id say at least 8gb if youre going to use it a lot |
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| 12:19.16 | harryl | the only source for mplayer I can find on marillat is pre7cvs####-0.0 not 3.3.5, anyone? |
| 12:19.24 | ratm | ok thanks :) |
| 12:19.40 | Eulex | ratm, depends. you could probably even fit it into 2gb. |
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| 12:19.48 | vasundhar | Eulex: whats amixer? whats the role / |
| 12:20.13 | Eulex | harryl, what marillat has is not mplayer from cvs. |
| 12:20.27 | paulswm | ratm: It depends whether you split /usr and /home off into different partitions |
| 12:20.56 | harryl | it says 1:1.0-pre7cvs20051102-0.0 |
| 12:20.57 | nimak | when i first installed, i really didnt expect to use linux full-time, and having a 10gb / is becoming a bit of a problem |
| 12:21.10 | ratm | paulswm, i wanted to put /home on another partition..but is it good to do it with usr as well? |
| 12:21.12 | Eulex | vasundhar, could you answer my question? what apps do you get sound in and which do you not? as you do get sound in some, it's very unlikely that it's not an issue with the mixer |
| 12:21.53 | vasundhar | Hmm Sure , sorry ... |
| 12:22.06 | Eulex | harryl, but it ain't, according to the mplayer devs. the cvs version should be pre8cvs######. |
| 12:22.18 | nimak | why do people put home in another partition? |
| 12:22.19 | Eulex | vasundhar, umh, very likely that it's not an issue with the mixer |
| 12:22.22 | vasundhar | I am not able to play, any wav files associated with warnings or otherwise |
| 12:22.29 | harryl | where do you get that? |
| 12:22.33 | sdakota | Package sasl-bin is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:22.40 | sdakota | E: Package sasl-bin has no installation candidate |
| 12:22.42 | paulswm | ratm: You need approx (leaving space for growth): 0.5G for /, 2.5G for /usr, 1G for /var which would leave you 2 GB for home on your 6GB |
| 12:22.44 | sdakota | how to install it? |
| 12:22.54 | Eulex | nimak, to be able to reinstall without losing /home |
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| 12:23.20 | roadgo | hi,all |
| 12:23.23 | nimak | ah, ok |
| 12:23.27 | Eulex | harryl, that's what the guys in #mplayer said to me. to get pre8cvs, alienate the fedora debs |
| 12:24.02 | harryl | fedora? |
| 12:24.14 | Eulex | umh, fedora cvs rpms |
| 12:24.16 | paulswm | ratm: You don't have to split them up if you don't want to, but it is generally safer to split off /var so that you don't fill up your / with a runaway logging process, for example. I use more than one drive so I split them anyway |
| 12:24.17 | Eulex | !alien |
| 12:24.17 | dpkg | alien is probably a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 12:24.30 | sdakota | !tell me about sasl-bin |
| 12:24.46 | Eulex | sdakota, the package does not exist. |
| 12:24.56 | harryl | ok so I now I need alien |
| 12:24.57 | sdakota | Eulex: it does, but it's virtual |
| 12:25.21 | sdakota | E: Package sasl-bin has no installation candidate |
| 12:25.30 | ratm | paulswm, well its an ordinary desktop computer and im the only user, so would it make sense to create a seperate partition for var? |
| 12:25.34 | Eulex | sdakota, ah. then you can't apt-get install sasl-bin. install a package that provides it |
| 12:25.44 | sdakota | Eulex: for example? |
| 12:26.04 | Eulex | sdakota, I dunno |
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| 12:26.27 | Eulex | sdakota, gsasl? |
| 12:26.45 | vasundhar | Thanks Eulex. |
| 12:26.53 | sdakota | Eulex: already have it |
| 12:26.53 | vasundhar | I will try then |
| 12:26.59 | paulswm | ratm: If you don't want to, dont. The downside is that if something writes a lot to /var, it may fill up your root partition is all |
| 12:27.08 | sdakota | Eulex: thanks though :) |
| 12:27.56 | Eulex | vasundhar, what applications can't play audio? |
| 12:28.01 | Eulex | sdakota, heh, ok |
| 12:28.04 | paulswm | ratm: But you should be OK, keeping them all in one partition, if you only have the one drive, will probably reduce head movement anyway |
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| 12:28.26 | harryl | ok if I get alien and rpm, will I get problems with apt? |
| 12:28.26 | vasundhar | aplay |
| 12:28.49 | Eulex | vasundhar, and what error does it give? |
| 12:29.14 | Eulex | harryl, no. alienating mplayer and then installing it will maybe cause problems, though. |
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| 12:29.26 | SerajewelKS | !wayttd harryl |
| 12:29.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, harryl? |
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| 12:29.52 | harryl | I just want to play some stinking dvd's |
| 12:30.04 | SerajewelKS | !xine |
| 12:30.04 | dpkg | i guess xine is a video/media player at http://xinehq.de or #xine. Several user interfaces are available : xine-ui for "generic" X11, gxine for GTK, kaffeine for KDE, totem-xine for Gnome. |
| 12:30.13 | nimak | paulswm: how much growth do you think that leaves room for(im reinstalling on my laptop right now) |
| 12:30.16 | SerajewelKS | harryl: xine, vlc, totem |
| 12:30.22 | Eulex | anyway, I gotta go... |
| 12:30.24 | caphuso | why the hell would you use alien to install mplayer? |
| 12:30.27 | SerajewelKS | harryl: any of those will work |
| 12:30.32 | SerajewelKS | harryl: or /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:30.47 | harryl | thanks |
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| 12:31.00 | vasundhar | Thanks Eulex for a lot of help |
| 12:31.56 | harryl | caphuso: because the version that will work isnt available otherwise |
| 12:32.06 | caphuso | harryl: nonsense |
| 12:32.07 | paulswm | nimak: I think that actual size of everything but /home should be less than 3 GB |
| 12:32.23 | harryl | caphuso: bring it on brotha |
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| 12:32.56 | harryl | tell me more, enlighten moi |
| 12:32.58 | caphuso | harryl: 1) what's wrong with marillat's packages? and 2) even if there's something wrong, why would you want to install a build for redhat or whatever instead of creating a proper .deb? |
| 12:33.03 | nimak | thanks, paulswm |
| 12:33.05 | SerajewelKS | holy hell, icewm is bigger than x.org |
| 12:33.17 | SerajewelKS | well, it's dependent packages anyway |
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| 12:33.20 | SerajewelKS | its* |
| 12:33.23 | Eulex | caphuso, the pre8 cvs version has indeed got lots of fixes. it's actually more stable than pre7. and he could either alienate the cvs rpms or compile it himself |
| 12:33.31 | paulswm | nimak: One of my boxes is a 32MB p166 with a 2GB HD running non-X etch :) |
| 12:33.50 | caphuso | Eulex: and the pre8 version from marillat is different from the pre8 version that comes as rpm? |
| 12:33.52 | drivamgr2006 | I have a question... Why do people create packages for linux, when some of the depends are not even available to install??? |
| 12:34.07 | Eulex | caphuso, there's no pre8 from marillat afaik |
| 12:34.08 | nimak | i hate when people throw away older computers, paulswm |
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| 12:34.19 | caphuso | Eulex: since when? |
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| 12:34.47 | harryl | I'll look into xine since alien is a little too advanced as of yet for moi |
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| 12:35.02 | caphuso | $ zcat ~doc/mplayer-nogui/changelog.gz | head -3 |
| 12:35.02 | caphuso | MPlayer (1.0) |
| 12:35.03 | caphuso | pre8: |
| 12:35.30 | nimak | drivamgr2006: debian tends to be pretty good about that, usually anything thats in an official debian repository will install |
| 12:35.31 | SerajewelKS | harryl: you don't need to use alien |
| 12:35.35 | SerajewelKS | harryl: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 12:35.55 | drivamgr2006 | I went to install a .deb of Audacity, a music and recording editor, and could I heck get it to work. It depends on stuff which isnt in any of the repo's and apt-get cannot find, nimak |
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| 12:36.08 | drivamgr2006 | Its not on an official repository |
| 12:36.08 | paulswm | nimak: I stll have two 8086 (Sirius 1 in the UK, Victor 9000 in the US) running MSDOS 0.92 and CP/M, and a 25MHz 386 running Xenix, amongst others - not to mention an original IBM PC :) |
| 12:36.13 | Eulex | caphuso, then why does he call it pre7? |
| 12:36.16 | SerajewelKS | drivamgr2006: audacity is in debian |
| 12:36.28 | SerajewelKS | !info audacity sarge |
| 12:36.38 | nimak | i have audacity |
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| 12:36.57 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: hi |
| 12:36.57 | dpkg | bonjour |
| 12:37.05 | nimak | paulswm, wow, thats awesome |
| 12:37.11 | caphuso | Eulex: who cares? |
| 12:37.19 | SerajewelKS | drivamgr2006: anyway, if you're using a version of audacity that is NOT in debian's repositories, that explains it |
| 12:37.25 | drivamgr2006 | Last time I tried apt-get install audacity, it told me that there were things missing |
| 12:37.37 | dpkg | audacity: (A fast, cross-platform audio editor), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1610 kB, Installed size: 4680 kB |
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| 12:37.52 | SerajewelKS | drivamgr2006: so try again. i have it installed. |
| 12:37.57 | caphuso | there are a couple of new entries in the CVS changelog of mplayer. none related to DVD playback |
| 12:38.10 | drivamgr2006 | and does apt-get also recover and install dependencies for you? |
| 12:38.11 | nimak | update first |
| 12:38.20 | SerajewelKS | drivamgr2006: yes, that's the whole point |
| 12:38.37 | drivamgr2006 | ok cool. I will see what I can do then. Thanks all |
| 12:38.37 | nimak | drivamgr2006: do apt-get update first |
| 12:38.50 | drivamgr2006 | thanks nimak and SerajewelKS |
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| 12:40.29 | caphuso | Eulex: ah, it's still called pre7 because there hasn't been a new upstream release |
| 12:40.36 | paulswm | nimak: I've just remembered that I used to have XP and debian sarge dual booting off an 8GB drive (including X and gnome), so I'm sure you'll be OK |
| 12:41.02 | Eulex | caphuso, hmm, ok |
| 12:42.15 | nimak | great, thansk a lot, paulswm |
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| 12:44.39 | nimak | being it 8am where i live, im gonna sleep now, talk to you all later |
| 12:44.56 | Eulex | nimak, wow |
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| 12:45.43 | Eulex | nite |
| 12:45.45 | nimak | its christmas break, my circadian glob is taking over :-) |
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| 12:47.14 | liable | i spose its actually christmas somewhwere now.. |
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| 12:52.38 | sep | define the start of chrismas... ?? |
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| 12:53.21 | sep | i think that's a individual point of time dependinf on the houshold .. |
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| 12:59.27 | NichtMued | Hm, dpkg isn't answering... |
| 12:59.37 | stew | !hi |
| 12:59.37 | dpkg | hello, stew |
| 12:59.50 | NichtMued | Sorry, I just took a very long time... |
| 12:59.57 | NichtMued | I -> it |
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| 13:01.55 | liable | sep: by standard definition, 1200am 25th dec.. |
| 13:02.02 | NichtMued | I installed the udftools package, configured /etc/default/udftools, but always get "FATAL: Module pktcdvd not found". In fact, there is no such module under /lib/modules/* |
| 13:02.50 | NichtMued | How can I obtain that module without manually compiling a kernel? |
| 13:03.05 | sep | liable, strange in norway we celebrate the evening the 24th,.. the 25th is just after the fun :P |
| 13:03.12 | liable | sep: and seeing as i am gmt +10 and its 2302, i guess its christmas somewhere.. |
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| 13:03.45 | NichtMued | BTW merry christmas |
| 13:03.46 | sep | liable indeed |
| 13:03.47 | liable | sep: :) just got home from a good feed and gut full of booze :) |
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| 13:04.09 | Haukkari | sep: in Finland we celebrate the evening the 24th too |
| 13:04.40 | sep | Haukkari, think that's a scandinavian thing |
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| 13:05.17 | Haukkari | sep: might be. Dunno. :) |
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| 13:05.20 | SlammerXP | sep: it's a european thing |
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| 13:05.40 | cusco | happy christmas |
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| 13:05.52 | sep | SlammerXP, thanks for the insigth :) |
| 13:05.54 | paulswm | NichtMued: Nadolig Llawen |
| 13:05.54 | paulswm | a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda to you too (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year in Welsh) :P |
| 13:05.59 | paulswm | arrgh |
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| 13:06.02 | NichtMued | Here in Germany, too! It's the most important Christmas celebration day because then you get your presents ;-) |
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| 13:06.19 | Haukkari | NichtMued: yay. :) |
| 13:06.27 | Haukkari | NichtMued: so where it's the 25th? In USA I think, at least |
| 13:06.31 | cusco | do whatch the charles dickens's movie's story and give me money and xmas presents, im poor |
| 13:06.35 | drivamgr2006 | Frohliche Wienachten und Gluckliches Neues Jahr NichtMued |
| 13:06.46 | Haukkari | drivamgr2006: danke |
| 13:07.06 | pearl | hehehe |
| 13:07.10 | pearl | lauter deutsche hier :D |
| 13:07.16 | NichtMued | drivamgr2006: Ebenfalls :-) Where are you from? |
| 13:07.18 | blondie | ffs |
| 13:07.19 | paulswm | Haukkari: US and UK, present oprning is on 25th |
| 13:07.20 | blondie | !de |
| 13:07.20 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 13:07.36 | drivamgr2006 | Iceland, Reykjavik |
| 13:07.36 | liable | !irritate blondie |
| 13:07.37 | dpkg | blondie: HELP ME!!! who uses gnome thx |
| 13:07.38 | pearl | #debian-de |
| 13:07.38 | pearl | :D |
| 13:07.42 | pearl | not .de |
| 13:07.42 | pearl | hihihi |
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| 13:07.45 | blondie | >.< |
| 13:07.45 | NichtMued | Hey blondie, just some Christmas greetings. Calm down... |
| 13:07.49 | azeem | pearl: are you sure? |
| 13:07.54 | blondie | NichtMued: well I don't approve! |
| 13:08.01 | pearl | yep, cause debian-de its my channel :-PP |
| 13:08.01 | Haukkari | blondie: oh please. Christmas greetings in German and you get all worked up about it. |
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| 13:08.15 | azeem | pearl: euh |
| 13:08.21 | azeem | pearl: are you forking the community? |
| 13:08.26 | blondie | Haukkari: it's rude |
| 13:08.32 | pearl | azeem: no! |
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| 13:08.42 | Haukkari | blondie: I don't think so. And I'm not German |
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| 13:08.55 | drivamgr2006 | that is giblets blondie. Happy Christmas is happy christmas, no matter what language its in |
| 13:09.01 | liable | oh dear, fuck me, can we not be so anal on christmas eve? |
| 13:09.03 | NichtMued | blondie: It is rude? |
| 13:09.05 | blondie | christmas is offensive :( |
| 13:09.18 | pearl | azeem: but the people in .de are not mellow |
| 13:09.21 | blondie | NichtMued: it's rude to speak foreign in an english channel |
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| 13:09.36 | paulswm | !enjoyaolify liable |
| 13:09.39 | cahoot | blondie: ffs isn't? |
| 13:09.48 | drivamgr2006 | blondie, the only thing offensive in here is you. You get ignored. |
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| 13:09.57 | blondie | good |
| 13:10.01 | pearl | cusco: ure stupid :o) |
| 13:10.04 | pearl | really stupid |
| 13:10.06 | liable | paulswm: :P |
| 13:10.11 | blondie | cahoot: no not really |
| 13:10.26 | azeem | blondie: depends on who you ask, I guess |
| 13:10.27 | Haukkari | Ah - christmas... the best time to fight your ass off on the IRC. |
| 13:10.40 | paulswm | Well Merry Christmas to everyone except blondie |
| 13:10.43 | cahoot | blondie: as in you setting the terms? |
| 13:10.50 | cusco | !stupid |
| 13:10.50 | dpkg | i guess stupid is the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. |
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| 13:11.25 | cusco | pearl: who says bsd against linux, says debian-dea gainst debian.de |
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| 13:11.31 | drivamgr2006 | Sorry Haukkari. I am not being told christmas is offensive by anybody. The only thing offensive is people who cannot accept other's traditions! |
| 13:11.31 | cusco | therefore we are both stupids |
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| 13:11.52 | Haukkari | drivamgr2006: yeah, I'm just amused about all this. =) |
| 13:12.01 | drivamgr2006 | And apologies to those on channel. I don't like ignoring people, but sometimes you just do what ya have to. |
| 13:12.01 | paulswm | !prize drivamgr2006 |
| 13:12.09 | blondie | drivamgr2006: maybe if you didn't shove your traditions in everyone's face. |
| 13:12.13 | cusco | drivamgr2006: I find it ofensive that you don't give me a little present :( |
| 13:12.17 | azeem | how about we just get over it? |
| 13:12.26 | paulswm | !aolify blondie |
| 13:12.27 | liable | ffs just fucking stopit |
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| 13:12.37 | drivamgr2006 | !prize cusco |
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| 13:12.46 | stew | blondie: if you are going to get offended when others wish eachother a merry christmas, i suggest you take a break from this channel for a while |
| 13:13.00 | rer | I want to set up LVM ontop a dm-crypt'ed partition. unfortunately I get errors when trying to create the volume or logical groups. "incorrect metadata area header checksum" any hints ? |
| 13:13.03 | cusco | !tap on drivamgr2006's back |
| 13:13.04 | cusco | :P |
| 13:13.12 | azeem | cusco: please stop abusing the bot |
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| 13:13.27 | drivamgr2006 | HOw about she takes a break from life stew? Like a long walk off an extremely short pier??? :) |
| 13:13.33 | paulswm | Lets argue about something else and leave Scrooge^Wblondie |
| 13:13.37 | stew | drivamgr2006: that's not necessary |
| 13:13.39 | azeem | hint: if more than 30% of the channel traffic are non-Debian realted !bot triggers, something is wrong, IMHO |
| 13:13.41 | cusco | azeem: im no't abusing the bot in anyway... |
| 13:14.07 | drivamgr2006 | sorry stew... guess I am just a little peed off... |
| 13:14.36 | azeem | drivamgr2006: dude/dudette, how about you take a break, too? |
| 13:14.39 | paulswm | !start an editor war |
| 13:14.39 | dpkg | zile bites |
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| 13:15.11 | drivamgr2006 | true azeem. might not be a bad idea. I just needed to ask a question, then I will go |
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| 13:15.49 | paulswm | liable: It's just overflowing with the Christmas spirit around here :) |
| 13:16.03 | drivamgr2006 | I just installed audacity from apt-get and I have an error when i open it. Unable to initialize the audio IO layer. You will not be able to play or record audio. How do I get rid of this? |
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| 13:16.18 | absolutzero | Greets all |
| 13:16.20 | liable | paulswm: haha, i was just trying to come up with a part message along those lines :( |
| 13:16.23 | stew | drivamgr2006: is some other application already using the sound card? |
| 13:16.25 | sep | paulswm, perhapws we should overflow to #debian-xmas ? |
| 13:16.33 | paulswm | liable: Heh |
| 13:16.34 | galois | merry christmas absolutzero |
| 13:16.48 | drivamgr2006 | no stew, the ony thing I have open with sound attachment is kmix for mixing my audio |
| 13:17.03 | absolutzero | Is it possible for a remote machine to use the x-server running on another machine? |
| 13:17.05 | secher | quick question, where do I set the startup for ntpdate? There's no SXXntpdate in /etc/rcX.d, and inittab doesn't seem to be the place. I want it to actually start last, after all of the interfaces have been brought up. |
| 13:17.31 | paulswm | sep: That would be an awful thing to have to open a new channel to be allowed to wish people a Merry Christmas :) |
| 13:17.48 | cahoot | drivamgr2006: fuser -v /dev/dsp returns nothing? |
| 13:18.00 | goccia | secher: crontab ? |
| 13:18.03 | drivamgr2006 | hold on i find out cahoot |
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| 13:18.42 | sep | paulswm, yeah right horrible :) |
| 13:18.43 | paulswm | absolutzero: You can access the remote desktop directly with something like tinyvnc and x11vnc, or you can run x programs remotely from another X server |
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| 13:18.48 | davor | hey all |
| 13:18.52 | drivamgr2006 | cahoot - it returned : USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 13:18.52 | drivamgr2006 | /dev/dsp bentley 5195 f.... artsd |
| 13:19.19 | cahoot | drivamgr2006: so artsd is occupying it |
| 13:19.23 | secher | goccia: I guess I should have clarified, where does it actually start from currently? There's a script in /etc/init.d, but what runs *that*? |
| 13:19.25 | petemc | paulswm: a little bird told me you know a bit about decent usenet clients |
| 13:19.40 | NichtMued | absolutzero: ssh has the -X option, which allows for X11 forwarding if /etc/ssh/sshd (?) is configured correspondingly |
| 13:19.41 | paulswm | petemc: I like pan |
| 13:19.42 | drivamgr2006 | i thought it was supposed to, cahoot, or i would have no sound! |
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| 13:19.50 | petemc | paulswm: for binaries? |
| 13:20.02 | davor | i recently upgraded to the 2.6 kernel and its using udev. but i think that its broken since i cant find /dev/psaux or /dev/misc/psaux |
| 13:20.10 | absolutzero | excellent, does PUTTY allow the -x option? |
| 13:20.12 | goccia | secher: less /etc/init.d/ntpdat : i use crontab anyway :) |
| 13:20.12 | cahoot | drivamgr2006:etiher kill artsd or use audacity via arts (if possible) artsdp audacity? |
| 13:20.24 | galois | can someone recommend a decent command line ftp browser? |
| 13:20.24 | liable | davor: a debian image? |
| 13:20.31 | petemc | galois: ncftp |
| 13:20.34 | davor | liable: what do you mean_ |
| 13:20.36 | galois | petemc: ta |
| 13:20.36 | paulswm | petemc: Yes, it will put together multiple parts, and even deals with the dreaded yenc |
| 13:20.37 | absolutzero | aha I see it now |
| 13:20.46 | drivamgr2006 | ok cahoot. i will kill artsd off. wont affect my sound though, will it? |
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| 13:20.51 | petemc | paulswm: cool beans, cheers |
| 13:20.58 | absolutzero | it is asking for the X display location |
| 13:20.59 | liable | davor: no, what do you mean? |
| 13:20.59 | davor | liable: aah, yes. i upgraded using apt-get upgrade |
| 13:21.04 | NichtMued | absolutzero: Hm. First it is -X and not -x. Second, doubt. You would need an X server running on your M$ client. Maybe install cygwin? |
| 13:21.07 | stew | absolutzero: putty does support x11 forwarding |
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| 13:21.18 | absolutzero | is that the lcation of the xdisplay on the remote machine? |
| 13:21.29 | cahoot | drivamgr2006: might influence your ability to play more than one sound at a time depending on your card etc |
| 13:21.33 | stew | absolutzero: what is asking you that? |
| 13:21.40 | secher | Is there anything borked with this new kernel release? |
| 13:21.42 | absolutzero | PUTTY |
| 13:21.44 | davor | at boot time it says something about udev needing 2.6.x kernel and that it wont start. but udev was installed using apt-get upgrade, so i dont get whats going on. |
| 13:22.16 | NichtMued | absolutzero: PUTTY is a Windows ssh client, right? |
| 13:22.22 | absolutzero | yup |
| 13:22.25 | stew | NichtMued: and unix |
| 13:22.27 | ezuser | is there a recommended way to make a DVD backup of a partial debian mirror |
| 13:22.33 | absolutzero | I have a Nix box in my living room |
| 13:22.33 | pumpkin0 | NichtMued: right. and a damm good one |
| 13:22.41 | paulswm | petemc: The downside is that the pan in etch is very memory intensive with groups containing more than a couple of million headers. If that is a problem for you, you can get the latest from the pan web site and build it, it is much more memory efficient, but slightly buggy |
| 13:22.41 | stew | NichtMued: oh, are you running putty in windows? |
| 13:22.44 | ezuser | I've used mkisofs with various options, but the file names always get truncated |
| 13:22.47 | absolutzero | I use ssh to administer it |
| 13:22.53 | stew | err |
| 13:22.53 | NichtMued | stew: No. I am trying to help absolute :-) |
| 13:22.55 | liable | davor: udev needs >2.6.7 and if it doesnt start, thats prolly a good thing.. |
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| 13:23.04 | absolutzero | but right now I need to x server |
| 13:23.24 | stew | absolutzero: are you running putty in windows? if so we can't really help with that. i would guess it is asking for the x server on your windows machine |
| 13:23.46 | paulswm | NichtMued: Yes, putty is in fact the best Windows client IMHO |
| 13:23.46 | liable | dont you need an x server on windows to run x forwarding, and putty certainly doesnt supply it. |
| 13:23.47 | NichtMued | absolutzero: Then get cygwin, start cygwin's X server /usr/X11R6/lib/startxwin.bat, then ssh -X on your Linux box after adjusting /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:23.48 | absolutzero | aha |
| 13:23.56 | galois | absolutzero: I would guess the same as stew |
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| 13:23.58 | sep | absolutzero, your trying to x from windows via putty ?? why not just use freenx ? |
| 13:24.02 | davor | liable: i have 2.6.8-2. my basic problem is that im having trouble starting X.org, since i cant find /dev/psaux anymore |
| 13:24.06 | absolutzero | and I can access the GUI on the remote machine? |
| 13:24.12 | galois | absolutzero: I suggest VNC |
| 13:24.19 | pumpkin0 | absolutzero: use vnc or http://www.xwin32.dk/ |
| 13:24.22 | galois | absolutzero: and restrict it to internal IPs |
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| 13:24.38 | absolutzero | good point |
| 13:24.43 | cahoot | pumpkin0: xwin32 is usable now? |
| 13:24.43 | galois | absolutzero: any external admin can be done via cmd line |
| 13:24.48 | NichtMued | absolutzero: Yes, you can. |
| 13:24.52 | absolutzero | I'll give that a try and read up on X11 forwarding |
| 13:24.57 | drivamgr2006 | how do i disable artsd cahoot? everytime i stop it, it restarts and occupies the dv/dsp |
| 13:24.59 | stew | absolutzero: you wouldn't be accessing the gui really, you would be able to start new programs on the linux box that displayed their windows on the windows x server, you wouldn't for example see the unix desktop however |
| 13:25.02 | drivamgr2006 | /dev/dsp |
| 13:25.02 | pumpkin0 | cahoot: yes, if you don't play videos or fast animations... |
| 13:25.10 | gcoppini | absolutezero, XDMCP, linux RPC |
| 13:25.14 | liable | davor: you have xorg? what version of debian? |
| 13:25.17 | absolutzero | thats exactly what I need stew |
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| 13:25.21 | visik7 | hi |
| 13:25.22 | stew | absolutzero: if you are hoping to see the unix desktop on your winodws machine, you want vnc |
| 13:25.35 | NichtMued | stew: He could also use Hummingbird |
| 13:25.36 | cahoot | drivamgr2006: control center - sound - sound server (or such) |
| 13:25.42 | galois | absolutzero: really have a look at VNC, will be more than adequate. Also look into using putty + screen for std stuff |
| 13:25.52 | visik7 | is there a way to provide a list of package in /etc/apt/preferences instead of pinning packages one by one ? |
| 13:25.53 | sep | absolutzero, the benefit vnc have over freenx is that it can give you display :0, ie the real monitor display, and works with fullscreen. freenx is faster and smoother. |
| 13:26.05 | paulswm | absolutzero: I said how you can do that, no need to install cygwin or anything like that, I actually tunnel through an HTTP proxy using putty's ssh to get to my home desktop, read this: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
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| 13:26.29 | absolutzero | k sec |
| 13:26.40 | galois | NichtMued: isn't hummingbird a bit poor though? |
| 13:27.00 | paulswm | absolutzero: That will give you full access to the desktop just as if you were sitting in front of it |
| 13:27.04 | davor | liable: i use sarge experimental. but i think that the problem is with udev, since i read on the internet that /dev/psaux has been replaced with /dev/misc/psaux - but i cant find that on my system. my basic problem is that i cant find a way to get my PS/2 mouse to work with 2.6 |
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| 13:27.48 | sep | !devinputmice |
| 13:27.50 | liable | davor: err, you prolly meen /dev/input/mice, and sarge isnt experimental.. |
| 13:27.51 | NichtMued | galois: At least he has 3-4 solutions to choose from... |
| 13:28.16 | absolutzero | Paulswm" but it will not start the display on the remote machine correct? |
| 13:28.27 | absolutzero | just on the client |
| 13:28.29 | liable | davor: /dev/psaux should still be there though.. |
| 13:28.44 | galois | NichtMued: true :) |
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| 13:28.58 | drivamgr2006 | got it cahoot. Its working now |
| 13:28.59 | drivamgr2006 | Thanks |
| 13:29.04 | paulswm | absolutzero: on the client, you will be seeing a copy of the remote display |
| 13:29.06 | mike-_- | hi, i'm trying to insert a seperatly built module into the kernel. as a built in one, but it keeps spitting it out when i try to build, undefined reference to cleanup_module. can anyone help? thanks |
| 13:29.17 | sep | absolutzero, that depends on how you run the vnc it can run a new display, or connect too the running one, |
| 13:29.24 | absolutzero | aha |
| 13:29.44 | cahoot | drivamgr2006: you could try 'artdsp audacity' (bit of a speculation on my side) |
| 13:29.49 | liable | davor: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 13:29.56 | absolutzero | I need it so that you cannnot see what I am doing on my remote machine |
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| 13:30.15 | visik7 | is there a way to provide a list of package in the field Package: of /etc/apt/preferences instead of pinning packages one by one ? |
| 13:30.18 | paulswm | absolutzero: I was able to set it all up and get it running from the one document I gave you, and I had a fairly complex situation, having to get through a proxy via http |
| 13:30.19 | davor | liable: aha, that explains stuff. a couple of sources on the internet (newgroups) told me that it should be in /dev/misc. but which one should i try, theres /dev/mouse[0-5] |
| 13:30.25 | davor | liable: aha, ok. ill try that |
| 13:30.27 | cahoot | drivamgr2006: never mind the spellingerrors |
| 13:30.33 | allah | I am configuring xfree86, but how do i know which driver to choose(at the start of the config)? I have a Ati Radeon 9250, so shall i just choose ati? |
| 13:30.53 | absolutzero | check the ATI specs Allah |
| 13:31.11 | pumpkin0 | allah: ATI is OK. |
| 13:31.15 | absolutzero | your manual will give paremeters, manually inout those parameters |
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| 13:31.24 | allah | ok thanks |
| 13:31.26 | absolutzero | to get better performace |
| 13:31.59 | absolutzero | allah: manually input, for some reason my box tried to config me for a max of 800x600 |
| 13:32.02 | drivamgr2006 | no need to cahoot. I got it working. I killed artsd off, switched to alsa for my sound card, and gave myself drwxrwxrwx to the sound card |
| 13:32.09 | mike-_- | fglrx alamar , check ati web site |
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| 13:32.13 | mike-_- | ops allah |
| 13:32.27 | absolutzero | I wne back at set up all the information manually and I get 1024x768 |
| 13:32.32 | Oll_ie | hey again folks, ive install debian on this old laptop and it seems to get stuck at boot |
| 13:32.34 | NichtMued | I cannot get udftools packet writing running. I'll always get "FATAL: Module pktcdvd not found." Where can I get this kernel module for my standard Debian Sarge 686 SMP kernel? |
| 13:32.35 | allah | ok i will look |
| 13:32.52 | Oll_ie | "via82cxxx: Codec rate locked at 48Khz" |
| 13:33.01 | absolutzero | It will ask you you cards Max xolor, Max res etc. |
| 13:33.07 | davor | liable: yeah, that got it to work. thanks mate! |
| 13:33.07 | absolutzero | That's in your manual |
| 13:33.25 | allah | ok i think i got it absolutezero |
| 13:33.25 | liable | davor: sweet. |
| 13:33.35 | davor | liable =) |
| 13:34.26 | absolutzero | cool, peace I am out thanks for the help guys, I think i am gonna go with x11vnc, see if there is a deb package for it (cross fingers) |
| 13:34.41 | liable | absolutzero: yes there is.. |
| 13:34.44 | liable | meh |
| 13:35.03 | sep | !x11vnc |
| 13:35.04 | dpkg | hmm... x11vnc is a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
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| 13:38.08 | NichtMued | Would someone who has a Debian testing box running do me a favor and search for "*pktcdvd*" under /lib/modules? Thanks in advance! |
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| 13:39.54 | NichtMued | Seems like I am lost today... |
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| 13:41.07 | caphuso | NichtMued: http://packages.debian.org/ -> search contents |
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| 13:42.07 | NichtMued | caphuso: Thanks. |
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| 13:45.37 | Oll_ie | hey how do i start kde in debian |
| 13:45.39 | Oll_ie | is it startx |
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| 13:46.51 | cahoot | Oll_ie: yes if you prefer, put starkde in ~/.xsession |
| 13:47.13 | paulswm | NichtMued: /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/kernel/drivers/block/pktcdvd.ko |
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| 13:48.19 | Oll_ie | debian:~# startx |
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| 13:48.30 | paulswm | Awrighty then, you all have a safe and happy Christmas |
| 13:48.34 | Oll_ie | -bash: startx: comand not found |
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| 13:48.40 | Oll_ie | same for startkde |
| 13:48.45 | Oll_ie | does this meen its not installed |
| 13:48.55 | Oll_ie | cus i only installed disc one |
| 13:49.11 | goccia | Oll_ie: what apt-cache policy kdm says to you ? |
| 13:49.12 | cal | where is the apache2 config file that allows you to change the "index.html" webpage? |
| 13:49.29 | cusco | Oll_ie: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 13:50.03 | Oll_ie | sudo command not found |
| 13:50.08 | sep | cal, you can do that for eatch vhost, site or directory. so you can basicaly do that anywhere |
| 13:50.27 | Hanzo | please can as many of you as possible check if i successfully configured HTTPd Apache/2.0.55 webserver please!!! the address is http://vpn81.no-ip.org:58000/ |
| 13:50.34 | smacnay | are the yaird kernels the "newer" initrd kernels - like 2.6.14 in Debian? |
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| 13:50.54 | Oll_ie | without sudo itr says Couldn't find package x-window-system-core |
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| 13:51.25 | cal | sep: i suppose what i mean is, how do i change the root directory? |
| 13:51.33 | cal | sorry, it was poorly worded |
| 13:52.02 | gcoppini | Oll_ie, aptitude install x-window-system |
| 13:52.42 | cal | Hanzo: im seeing the demo page |
| 13:52.53 | Hanzo | thank_you |
| 13:52.56 | visik7 | is there a way to provide a list of package in the field Package: of /etc/apt/preferences instead of pinning packages one by one ? |
| 13:52.56 | sep | cal, that's also a vhost/site issue in apache2 you do it in the dafault site |
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| 13:53.44 | Oll_ie | ok |
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| 13:53.55 | NichtMued | Maybe a stupid question, but is it likely that Sarge's 2.6.8 kernel will ever be update to lets say 2.6.12? |
| 13:53.59 | Hanzo | cal, did it load fast or slow? |
| 13:54.20 | Silent_al | hi, im trying to unmount an usb device. but i get a 'device is busy' message. how can unmount it properly ? ( the device is already disconnected) |
| 13:54.28 | cal | sep: im sorry, would you mind simplifing? |
| 13:54.32 | Oll_ie | gcoppini i have no net on the laptop atm |
| 13:54.33 | Silent_al | i* |
| 13:54.37 | cal | Hanzo: reasonable fast |
| 13:54.43 | visik7 | Silent_al: you should unmount before disconnect |
| 13:54.45 | blondie | Silent_al: try umount -l |
| 13:55.01 | blondie | Silent_al: but yes you shouldn't unplug till it's unmounted unless you want your files to disappear ;) |
| 13:55.02 | Hanzo | its 256 Kbit/s upload running on WinNT 5.1.2600 |
| 13:55.27 | blondie | NichtMued: sarge only gets security updates |
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| 13:55.39 | Silent_al | blondie , thanks , unmount -l helped |
| 13:55.47 | blondie | good |
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| 13:57.36 | NichtMued | blondie: Thanks. Do you know if it is dangerous to configure a mixed stable / testing system in order to upgrade to a higher kernel? |
| 13:57.53 | blondie | NichtMued: you could install a kernel manually |
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| 13:59.07 | NichtMued | blondie: The problem is that I don't have a clue about those countless kernel options and their semantics... |
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| 13:59.27 | blondie | NichtMued: why do you want 2.6.12? |
| 14:00.12 | gcoppini | Oll_ie, apt-setup ...choose cdrom.. and install |
| 14:00.18 | NichtMued | blondie: Because the testing 2.6.12 package incorporates the pktcdvd module. I need that module in order to prepare DVDRAMs. |
| 14:00.19 | Silent_al | blondie, now i get : mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device =( |
| 14:00.48 | sep | cal edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 14:00.56 | bizkit | Silent_al: when you try what? |
| 14:01.05 | blondie | NichtMued: er dunno then |
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| 14:01.13 | Silent_al | when i try to mount my usb device |
| 14:01.15 | blondie | Silent_al: you did plug it back in yes? |
| 14:01.18 | blondie | :) |
| 14:01.22 | Silent_al | yup :) |
| 14:01.31 | blondie | what does fdisk /dev/sda say? |
| 14:01.38 | blondie | does it find the partition? |
| 14:01.49 | bizkit | Silent_al: grep sda /proc/partitions |
| 14:01.53 | NichtMued | blondie: Currently I am using Sarge's standard 2.6 686 SMP kernel. Is there a way to "clone" the corresponding kernel configuration? |
| 14:02.02 | blondie | NichtMued: sorry I don't know |
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| 14:02.16 | look | hello! could someone be kind and do ls -l /sbin && ls -l /usr/sbin and dcc me the result? i need to reset chmods |
| 14:02.18 | ArtVandalae | Hello, where can I find my network config info? |
| 14:02.30 | ArtVandalae | config file, sorry |
| 14:02.38 | sep | NichtMued, grab the config from /boot/ or from /proc |
| 14:02.46 | bizkit | NichtMued: yes, backup the .config. however i can't understand why this would help you, backing up a config of an distro-kernel with lots of stuff you'll never need |
| 14:02.46 | blondie | ArtVandalae: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:03.22 | NichtMued | bizkit: As I told I have no clue about the countless kernel configuration options. |
| 14:03.33 | bizkit | NichtMued: so start reading |
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| 14:03.54 | NichtMued | bizkit: The default kernel runs fine, I only need to add the pktcdvd module... |
| 14:03.56 | look | someone? :) |
| 14:03.58 | bizkit | always writing "i have no clue" won't bring you forward.. just backwards |
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| 14:04.18 | Silent_al | blondie, Unable to open /dev/sda |
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| 14:04.35 | blondie | Silent_al: look in dmesg |
| 14:04.44 | look | i know most of the /sbin and /usr/sbin are rwxr-xr-x mut there are some which aren't |
| 14:05.12 | bizkit | look: have a look on dpkg-statoverride |
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| 14:07.22 | g0th | hi, if I installed grub for a system, and then windows, how do I get my linux booting again? |
| 14:07.24 | Silent_al | blondie , thanx again , i think i got it , now its sdb instead of sda |
| 14:07.47 | look | bizkit, ok :) |
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| 14:07.58 | blondie | ah |
| 14:08.02 | bizkit | g0th: boot from rescue disk, add root=/dev/hd<whatever> and run grub to reinstall your mbr |
| 14:08.26 | Oll_ie | hey im now installing ndiswrapper, ive installed it 10000000 times on other dists of linux but its saying that make is an unknown command and im logged in as root etc etc |
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| 14:08.48 | bizkit | Oll_ie: apt-get install make |
| 14:08.50 | NichtMued | bizkit: My server is running fine. But it seems like the udftools package is somehow broken. At the end of the boot process I always get "FATAL: Module paketcdvd not found". |
| 14:09.05 | NichtMued | bizkit: And indeed, there is no such module under /lib/modules... |
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| 14:09.31 | bizkit | NichtMued: so it doesn't exist, how did you install/compile it? |
| 14:09.32 | NichtMued | bizkit: But /etc/modules contains corresponding entries... |
| 14:09.36 | Silent_al | blondie, it works! ^_^ will u have my wife's babies? :) |
| 14:09.47 | blondie | Silent_al: erm |
| 14:09.49 | NichtMued | bizkit: I just did apt-get install udftools |
| 14:09.55 | Silent_al | :-P |
| 14:10.09 | Silent_al | thanx dude |
| 14:10.15 | NichtMued | bizkit: I am running a true Sarge system with the standard 2.6 686 SMP kernel. |
| 14:10.22 | blondie | my boyfriend wouldn't approve c.c |
| 14:10.50 | Silent_al | oh! so you're a lady? =) |
| 14:10.52 | SlammerXP | a girl? here? I don't believe it |
| 14:11.29 | blondie | erm fraid not |
| 14:11.30 | blondie | :| |
| 14:11.48 | SlammerXP | all the real babes hang out on #gentoo |
| 14:12.01 | Silent_al | lol |
| 14:12.17 | bizkit | NichtMued: sorry i'm not into it using udf, have a look into the kernel .config and search for the UDF entries, search google for "paketcdvd not found" |
| 14:12.28 | SlammerXP | the only women we get here are more in need of a shave than the guys |
| 14:12.46 | bizkit | not just a shave.. |
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| 14:13.10 | NichtMued | bizkit: Believe me, I *did* google for "pktcdvd". That's why I am sure that I need the pktcdvd kernel module |
| 14:13.51 | DaveLib | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.59 | bizkit | NichtMued: grep CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD .config |
| 14:14.01 | blondie | DaveLib wait |
| 14:14.21 | thegraham | I've just upgraded from stable to testing, and the only problem i'm getting is spamassassin... SA is timing out for every single message that is recieved: "SA: Action: spamd took more than 240 secs to run, accepting message (scanned in 0/0 secs)." any ideas what might be wrong. the server isn't particularly busy. |
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| 14:15.32 | abrotman | thegraham: still ? |
| 14:15.45 | abrotman | thegraham: did you check the BTS ? |
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| 14:16.09 | NichtMued | I did a grep -i CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD in /boot/config-*. Empty result. |
| 14:16.15 | nipra | I upgraded a lot of packages from unstable & testing repositories.Now I want downgrade to stable.Can I do that? |
| 14:16.23 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 14:16.23 | dpkg | hmm... downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 14:16.24 | blondie | nipra: no |
| 14:16.28 | Fujoor | guys im in a slight problem, is there anyway to exit xfce4 into x mode? i seem to have forgotten to install a terminal |
| 14:16.40 | Fujoor | or do i have to reinstall the whole thing? |
| 14:16.44 | abrotman | Fujoor: right click? middle click ? |
| 14:16.59 | Fujoor | i cant see no exit only restart and shutdown |
| 14:17.00 | thegraham | abrotman: BTS? |
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| 14:17.10 | abrotman | Fujoor: shutdown might mean just X |
| 14:17.11 | blondie | Fujoor: ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 14:17.15 | abrotman | thegraham: bugs.debian.org |
| 14:17.30 | abrotman | where arel all the xfce weenies when you need them :) |
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| 14:17.38 | thegraham | abrotman: I'll have a look now |
| 14:17.48 | Fujoor | blondie: that works though, but it just exits to wdm :( |
| 14:18.01 | abrotman | thegraham: if you're running testing or unstable .. the BTS should usually be your first stop when you have an issue |
| 14:18.03 | NichtMued | bizkit: Maybe the easiest solution would be to upgrade to testing? Or would it be easier to replace the 2.6.8 standard kernel with a hand-made 2.6.12? Or make a mixed system stable / testing just to be able to install the 2.6.12 kernel from testing? |
| 14:18.08 | Fujoor | now, how do i exit wdm? |
| 14:18.15 | abrotman | Fujoor: ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 14:18.22 | blondie | erm yeah F1 |
| 14:18.27 | Fujoor | oh u guys and ur fancy commands :D |
| 14:18.30 | Fujoor | thanks! |
| 14:18.30 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:18.30 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:18.33 | takatumi | NichtMued: fwiw, CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD is available in .11 .12 .13 nd .14 kernels (dunno about .9 and .10) |
| 14:18.41 | bizkit | NichtMued: this is bad, you should search the kernel packages for this, if there's none available nor the packages module, you have to compile your own kernel. there are lots of howtos available on how to do it 'the debian way', whereas you could still use the manual method. then read cdrom/packet-writing.txt in the kernel source tree, and have a look on http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
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| 14:18.52 | abrotman | takatumi: what about .0 ? |
| 14:19.01 | Fujoor | you saved me a lot of trouble :) |
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| 14:19.16 | abrotman | Fujoor: and also .. install an IRC client on your linux box :) |
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| 14:19.20 | Determinist | good afternoon gents, i would like to learn how the boot up process works. Where can i find more information about this? i understand so far that initrd calls the scripts in /etc/rcX.d/ according to the runlevel in inittab. where can i find out more information? |
| 14:19.30 | abrotman | Fujoor: oh wait .. also install menu |
| 14:19.31 | takatumi | abrotman: not it .7 and .8 so most probably not in earlier ones. |
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| 14:20.05 | NichtMued | takatumi: The option doesn't seem to be in 2.6.8... |
| 14:20.19 | Fujoor | abrotman: install menu? whats that good for? im going to install irssi and xchat |
| 14:20.28 | takatumi | NichtMued: that's what I meant to say above. ;) |
| 14:20.33 | NichtMued | bizkit: Thank you very much for your patient help! I'll think about it and try to figure out what's the best solution... |
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| 14:20.37 | Fujoor | abrotman: this is wierd, when i type sudo apt-get install xterm it says its already there |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | Fujoor: apt-get install xchat irssi-text menu |
| 14:20.51 | abrotman | Fujoor: that's what menu is for :) |
| 14:20.52 | abrotman | !menu |
| 14:20.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 14:21.04 | allah | hey, when I start x it says 'no screens found' and (EE) device not detected. I used ati as driver in xfree86config. I have a radeon 9250. help! |
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| 14:21.19 | abrotman | why the hell would you use xfree86confrig ? |
| 14:21.19 | EmleyMoor | Is there any way, on a typical laptop running Debian, to reprogram the power button to make a screaming noise instead of triggering a shutdown? |
| 14:21.23 | Fujoor | abrotman: ah, so i just type in the stuff i want to install? fancy, what is it called? install-menu? |
| 14:21.25 | abrotman | !drxx allah |
| 14:21.26 | dpkg | allah: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:21.41 | jinglemouse | if i want to kill dev\dsp how do i go about it? |
| 14:21.43 | abrotman | Fujoor: apt-get install menu ... should take care of the rest itself |
| 14:21.54 | Fujoor | abrotman: lovely, any more fancy apps? |
| 14:22.00 | abrotman | !tell allah about xmd5 |
| 14:22.10 | abrotman | Fujoor: enigma! |
| 14:22.10 | allah | thanks |
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| 14:22.22 | Fujoor | abrotman: would there be a problem if i installed more than one terminal? for example, xterm and aterm? enigma? videomode switcher? |
| 14:22.35 | abrotman | !enigma |
| 14:22.45 | abrotman | Fujoor: enigma is a game |
| 14:22.55 | abrotman | and you can have as many terminal emulators as you want |
| 14:23.00 | Fujoor | ah :), enigma is a videomode switcher on my xbox |
| 14:23.08 | abrotman | !info enigma |
| 14:23.10 | dpkg | enigma: (A game where you control a marble with the mouse), section games, is optional. Version: 0.92.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 634 kB, Installed size: 1868 kB |
| 14:23.48 | Fujoor | abrotman: which wm do you use if i may ask? |
| 14:23.55 | abrotman | Fujoor: for what ? |
| 14:24.03 | Fujoor | for everyday usage? |
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| 14:24.12 | abrotman | use what for what ? a term ? |
| 14:24.20 | Fujoor | no, what window manager |
| 14:24.21 | abrotman | i use xterm or gnome-terminal .. but usually xterm |
| 14:24.29 | Fujoor | it is called window manager right? |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | Fujoor: oh .. gnome with sawfish .. though i used blackbox for a long time |
| 14:24.42 | EmleyMoor | I use icewm |
| 14:24.49 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: noone cares! |
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| 14:25.00 | baikonur | hi |
| 14:25.02 | Fujoor | ah ... i have been around that long, but i think xfce4 is really nice |
| 14:25.03 | EmleyMoor | Indeed - YMMV |
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| 14:25.53 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: i remember the first time i saw icewm with the win95 theme .. and i was like "well .. jeez .. even linux can't fix that look" |
| 14:26.29 | EmleyMoor | I've tried others - they are all OK up to a point... |
| 14:26.48 | Fujoor | abrotman: hmm, can i install the gnome-terminal without having gnome? |
| 14:26.52 | bizkit | i will never understand why people use win* themes on linux windowmanagers. i would rather use the apple themes, if ever.. |
| 14:27.04 | abrotman | Fujoor: you can .. but i probably wouldn't |
| 14:27.10 | abrotman | !depends gnome-terminal sarge |
| 14:27.13 | dpkg | gnome-terminal: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.4.2-2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.10.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libvte4 (>= 1:0.11.11), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), scrollkeeper (>= 0.3.14-5), ... |
| 14:27.18 | Fujoor | oh, thats why |
| 14:27.28 | abrotman | yep .. and the "..." means it continues :) |
| 14:27.38 | Fujoor | abrotman: ill just try to configure xterm then |
| 14:27.45 | EmleyMoor | I really don't mind - though the win* themes are good when occasionally you have to direct people who don't know anything else |
| 14:27.50 | abrotman | now .. why the hell does a terminal emulator need bonobo ? |
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| 14:28.19 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: and that was precisely the reason i was seeing it .. i was helping a friend set up a small company with linux machines |
| 14:28.28 | bizkit | this is one other reason for not using all this bloated gnome crap.. |
| 14:28.40 | abrotman | bizkit: it's fine if you already have gnome installed :) |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | though .. Fujoor might already have some of that stuff installed |
| 14:29.48 | Fujoor | the thing is, this is my second true, when i first installed ubuntu with gnome i had the gnome-terminal, i could easily right click on it and change my settings, now i have xfce4 with xterm, and i have no clue have to configure it |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | Fujoor: what are the specs on the machine ? |
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| 14:30.22 | Fujoor | abrotman: 333 mhz 192 mb ram |
| 14:30.34 | abrotman | Fujoor: ah .. and the HDD ? |
| 14:31.03 | bizkit | abrotman: always was on a *box wm, then tried gnome.. unbelievable bloated, switched one step back to xfce for the gnome feeling, about a year i'm back to openbox again... i don't like these big depending-lists which nobody can understand |
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| 14:31.27 | abrotman | bizkit: i was a blackbox user .. for like 5 years |
| 14:31.35 | abrotman | even when it was stuck in hibernation mode |
| 14:31.35 | Miranda-IM|L2-5| | y'a til des FR ? |
| 14:31.46 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:31.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:31.54 | bizkit | abrotman: why the heck are you on gnome now? ;) |
| 14:32.03 | Fujoor | abrotman: 5 gb and 10 gb |
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| 14:32.07 | sberla | ciao genteeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:32.08 | Fujoor | abrotman: howcome |
| 14:32.10 | abrotman | bizkit: 2.4Ghz with 768MB of RAM :) |
| 14:32.11 | sberla | W DEBIAN |
| 14:32.17 | abrotman | !i |
| 14:32.18 | dpkg | i heard i is the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 14:32.19 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:32.20 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:32.21 | EmleyMoor | !it |
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| 14:32.28 | EmleyMoor | Damn, too slow |
| 14:32.32 | abrotman | Fujoor: if you want gnome-term .. just instal it |
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| 14:32.46 | bizkit | abrotman: this is no excuse, 3ghz with 1G and still on openbox :) |
| 14:33.00 | Fujoor | abrotman: but it seems that it will install a lot of extra mumbo jumbo just for a terminal |
| 14:33.02 | abrotman | bizkit: oh .. i've though many times about going back to blackbox |
| 14:33.21 | bizkit | Fujoor: not only for a terminal.. |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | bizkit: one of the reasons i don't is the moral standing that bbkeys should be in blackbox damn it! :) |
| 14:33.47 | bizkit | abrotman: use an older bb version :) |
| 14:33.48 | abrotman | Fujoor: well .. you've got the HDD space .. and you can always uninstall them if you don't use it |
| 14:34.03 | abrotman | bizkit: FFS .. can i not go back to 1998 ? :) |
| 14:34.09 | Fujoor | abrotman: 96 mb for a terminal seems a lil much, ill just go with aterm or xterm |
| 14:34.09 | Fujoor | hehe |
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| 14:34.33 | abrotman | Fujoor: that's for dependencies .. and depending what else you install .. they'll get pulled in anyways |
| 14:34.45 | abrotman | !depends anjuta sarge |
| 14:34.47 | dpkg | anjuta: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libgcrypt11, libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.4.2-2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 0.4.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), ... |
| 14:35.04 | Fujoor | abrotman: true, ill do have the space aswell so |
| 14:35.13 | Fujoor | abrotman: it doesnt slow down my xfce does it? |
| 14:35.40 | abrotman | Fujoor: not unless you load the app .. it doesn't just load libraries to be like windows :) |
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| 14:36.00 | Fujoor | abrotman: oh, so when i load the terminal it temporary slows it down |
| 14:36.09 | Fujoor | but when i close it its back to normal? |
| 14:36.13 | abrotman | Fujoor: just like starting any app |
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| 14:36.32 | Fujoor | ohwell, ill give it a try :) |
| 14:36.36 | abrotman | Fujoor: like i said . if you decide not to use it .. you can always uninstall the libraries |
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| 14:37.01 | Fujoor | yeah but sometimes when you install something, it takes like ... say 110 mb, when you uninstall it it only uninstalls 40 mb |
| 14:37.17 | abrotman | Fujoor: you might be interested in deborphan |
| 14:37.33 | Fujoor | another (un)install utility? |
| 14:37.40 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 14:37.41 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 14:37.55 | Fujoor | damn linux is messy :) |
| 14:37.55 | jinglemouse | what command can one use to find what is using dev\dsp? |
| 14:38.08 | abrotman | fuser / lsof |
| 14:38.20 | sdakota | what do I put in the cronjob to run a certain php script as root with several arguments? |
| 14:38.33 | bizkit | be careful on this one if you use unpackaged apps that use shared libs |
| 14:38.57 | bizkit | sdakota: man crontab |
| 14:39.52 | bizkit | sdakota: sorry, man 5 crontab |
| 14:40.01 | jinglemouse | lsof dev\dsp |
| 14:40.09 | sdakota | bizkit: what's the difference? ;) |
| 14:40.33 | abrotman | sdakota: different man pages |
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| 14:40.36 | bizkit | sdakota: its in another category, have a look for yourself |
| 14:40.54 | abrotman | don't we have a factoid that describes man page sections ? |
| 14:40.55 | sdakota | bizkit, abrotman, yea I know it's another page - but why is there a man 1 and man 5 crontab? :/ |
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| 14:41.05 | blondie | to confuse you |
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| 14:41.19 | sdakota | blondie: lol |
| 14:41.20 | bizkit | sdakota: man man |
| 14:41.23 | bizkit | :) |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | sdakota: uhm .. section1 is for commands .. section5 for conffiles .. let me see if that's right |
| 14:41.37 | bizkit | 5 File formats and conventions eg /etc/passwd |
| 14:41.42 | bizkit | 1 Executable programs or shell commands |
| 14:41.43 | bizkit | ... |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | sdakota: http://www.december.com/unix/ref/mansec.html |
| 14:42.10 | caphuso | man man |
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| 14:42.46 | nios_ | hello all |
| 14:42.47 | aphexer | when i start a program and use the numpad only 5 works, the others move the cursor around (and i tried with both numlock on and off). How can i fix that? |
| 14:42.49 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that too :) |
| 14:43.00 | sdakota | bizkit: Aah, ok, now I understand :) |
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| 14:43.30 | nios_ | oh yeah! |
| 14:43.40 | abrotman | oh no! |
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| 14:43.49 | nios_ | are you here chinese? |
| 14:43.54 | simpletron | hello |
| 14:44.02 | EmleyMoor | !cn |
| 14:44.02 | dpkg | cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 14:44.43 | NichtMued | bizkit: There is no way for me to compile my own kernel. I downloaded the newest one and got my first shock after extracting it into /usr/src. Geez there are *so* many files. Second shock came after taking a look into Documentation/. I would need more than a year to be up to date... |
| 14:44.44 | kingsley | aphexer: Do all applications move the cursor, or just a certain application? |
| 14:45.17 | aphexer | kingsley, only one |
| 14:45.28 | NichtMued | bizkit: My final question. What would you prefer? Updating from Sarge to testing or making a mixed stable / testing system? |
| 14:45.34 | nios_ | I use ubuntu and you?yeah ! cn |
| 14:45.59 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 14:45.59 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 14:46.09 | bizkit | NichtMued: unpack it, cd into the tree, make menuconfig, make bzImage modules modules_install, copy the bzImage and System.map to /boot, adjust your boot manager and write the mbr. reboot, have fun. |
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| 14:46.20 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 14:46.27 | abrotman | paulswm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:46.29 | nios_ | what are you from ? come on |
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| 14:46.39 | abrotman | nios_: please go to #ubuntu |
| 14:46.43 | NichtMued | bizkit: I know the procedure, I know the Debian way, too. But I don't understand all the damned options! |
| 14:46.50 | kingsley | NichtMued: Compiling one's own kernel is definitely possible. I suggest googling for: compile kernel debian |
| 14:46.56 | nios_ | OKEY I LEVLE |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | !tell NichtMued about kp |
| 14:47.07 | bizkit | NichtMued: it's up to the system you want. desktop system? use testing |
| 14:47.16 | kingsley | NichtMued: You should find something like a FAQ on compiling one's own kernel under debian. |
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| 14:47.21 | paulswm | NichtMued: Actually, the Debian Reference has kernel building instruction |
| 14:47.29 | bizkit | he knows that.. |
| 14:47.32 | rer | hi ! anyone familiar with lvm errors ? |
| 14:47.34 | NichtMued | paulswm: Yes, I read them... |
| 14:47.35 | kingsley | NichtMued: I seem to recall there's even a package that simplifies it. |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | !tell kingsley about kp |
| 14:47.53 | paulswm | NichtMued: Ah, sorry, I guess I arrived late in the conversation |
| 14:47.56 | bizkit | NichtMued: within the menuconfig, there are 'short helps' for each option, they can be very helpful for you |
| 14:48.03 | kingsley | aphexer: Which application only recognizes 5? |
| 14:48.18 | bizkit | NichtMued: just try it, perhaps your first one is lacking some stuff.. be better on the next try |
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| 14:48.35 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:48.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:48.39 | rer | d |
| 14:48.43 | Fujoor | abrotman: can you recommend a good file manager? |
| 14:48.44 | bizkit | !madcow |
| 14:48.44 | dpkg | moooooooheh hehehehe! |
| 14:48.50 | bizkit | :D |
| 14:48.54 | aphexer | kingsley, "Maple" from maplesoft, it's not opensource... i was hoping there was a solution for it though |
| 14:49.08 | rer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | Fujoor: xfe i've heard is good |
| 14:49.50 | Fujoor | abrotman: thats the whole name? xfe? |
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| 14:50.10 | abrotman | !info xfe sarge |
| 14:50.12 | paulswm | Fujoor: Yes |
| 14:50.16 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.72-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 593 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
| 14:50.25 | abrotman | Fujoor: Gentoo is another file manager |
| 14:50.31 | paulswm | HAHA |
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| 14:50.40 | abrotman | !info gentoo sarge |
| 14:50.43 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 14:50.48 | kingsley | aphexer: I'd search google's web and usenet archives for: maple "only 5" numeric | numpad |
| 14:50.50 | rvalles | hm |
| 14:50.52 | Fujoor | ah, linux is so nic, you can just apt get everything |
| 14:50.59 | paulswm | abrotman: That's funny |
| 14:51.02 | rvalles | I need to change my locale settings; I need an UTF-8 locale. |
| 14:51.05 | simpletron | jajaja right Fujoor |
| 14:51.10 | abrotman | paulswm: it's fucking hysterical! :) |
| 14:51.15 | rvalles | what's the debian way of changing locale system wide? |
| 14:51.20 | kingsley | aphexer: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=maple+%22only+5%22+numeric+%7C+numpad |
| 14:51.22 | abrotman | rvalles: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:51.27 | paulswm | Fujoor: No, debian is so nice, apt-get won't work with redhat for instance :) |
| 14:51.35 | simpletron | jajaja |
| 14:51.37 | abrotman | it does .. |
| 14:51.41 | aphexer | kingsley, k thanks |
| 14:51.41 | bizkit | isnt there an apt-get for redhat? :p |
| 14:51.48 | simpletron | debian is the best distro i ever used |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | apt4rpm |
| 14:52.06 | paulswm | Maybe now, I dunno, but apt-get is debian originated |
| 14:52.07 | NichtMued | rvalles: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:52.27 | rvalles | working on it |
| 14:52.32 | NichtMued | rvalles: IIRC |
| 14:52.44 | kingsley | bizkit: http://aplawrence.com/Linux/aptget.html |
| 14:53.20 | NichtMued | rvalles: use that command for the system-wide locale configuration |
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| 14:53.45 | rvalles | done |
| 14:53.48 | absolutzero | VNC was all I needed, it supports encrypted transmission |
| 14:53.53 | rvalles | it let me chose which ones to generate |
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| 14:54.05 | rvalles | and which one to set system-wide... and it's now generating them. Great. |
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| 14:55.25 | absolutzero | man, the more I use Debian the more I love it |
| 14:55.36 | absolutzero | It' prbably the most problem free version I have used |
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| 14:58.25 | NichtMued | Thanks to all who have helped me! Bye bye. |
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| 14:58.42 | absolutzero | lol cant run the firefox installer from VNC though |
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| 14:59.18 | stew | absolutzero: installer? why are you doing anything other than apt-get? |
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| 15:01.04 | blondie | stew: maybe he wants a recent version :) |
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| 15:02.21 | abrotman | blondie: what's wrong with 1.0.7 ? |
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| 15:02.53 | mhall | hmm |
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| 15:03.02 | mhall | !mhall |
| 15:03.26 | blondie | abrotman: 1.5 has a few new things (though I didn't say there was anything wrong with 1.0.7!) |
| 15:04.05 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 15:04.05 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 15:04.57 | eeaaxx | anybody how can cd-write in debian sarge? |
| 15:04.58 | blondie | abrotman: ah well that's what I get for reading /. then :\ |
| 15:05.14 | eeaaxx | anybody knows how can cd-write in debian sarge? |
| 15:05.26 | EmleyMoor | I am sticking with firefox-1.0.7 at the moment due to poor compatibility with prefbar, and also because 1.0.7 is adequate |
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| 15:05.47 | mhall | I have problems with OOo 2.x.x in a Win32 X client. The pulldown menus will not pull down. Has anybody else witnessed this? |
| 15:05.48 | EmleyMoor | eeaaxx: Much the same way as in any Linux - there is a CD-Writing HOWTO out there |
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| 15:06.33 | mhall | blondie: I think you'd have to wait until 2.x to get anything newly revolutionary out of Firefox. |
| 15:06.51 | mhall | blondie: But if you're really gung ho, try the backports site. |
| 15:06.58 | mhall | !backports |
| 15:06.59 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 15:07.00 | paulswm | eeaaxx: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner |
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| 15:07.10 | caphuso | 1.5 comes with improved css3 support. very important in this "hey, we just catched up with css1" world we're living in |
| 15:07.12 | blondie | mhall: I just run it on Windows c.c |
| 15:07.20 | eeaaxx | The problem is that it cannot burn a cd in nerolinux trial version |
| 15:07.26 | mhall | caphuso: haha |
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| 15:07.47 | EmleyMoor | I haven't had to actually backport anything on sarge yet... though one or two packages have needed local compilation |
| 15:07.57 | eeaaxx | paulswm: ok. ill try to read it |
| 15:08.14 | paulswm | eeaaxx: It's actually easy to read |
| 15:08.28 | abrotman | if you can read |
| 15:08.35 | EmleyMoor | I had loads of backports on my woody system |
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| 15:09.02 | paulswm | eeaaxx: No need for nero, all the tools you need are already in linux and free |
| 15:09.39 | bizkit | i like experimental, no need for backports, just compiling everything i need newer from cvs :) |
| 15:10.10 | mhall | bizkit: me too |
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| 15:10.32 | mhall | bizkit: but this is not for everyone |
| 15:10.51 | bizkit | this seems to be the only drawback |
| 15:11.08 | mhall | learnfromscratch: ah you're a believer in the pet it until it fights back school of thought? |
| 15:11.53 | jgould | except learnfromscratch just came in mhall |
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| 15:12.37 | mhall | jgould: yes; i generally heckle people for choosing strange nicknames |
| 15:12.45 | jgould | ah. Ok |
| 15:13.19 | learnfromscratch | i tried to install a software.. it said no chkconfig found.. i did apt-file search chkconfig | grep bin .. but did not get any results.. |
| 15:13.26 | mhall | jgould: but 9/10 times they don't reply |
| 15:13.32 | dvs | !find chkconfig |
| 15:13.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'chkconfig' (3): (/usr/share/lyx/chkconfig.ltx) in editors/lyx-common ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.2.6/functions/Completion/Unix/_chkconfig) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.0-dev-1/functions/Completion/Unix/_chkconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 15:13.43 | mhall | chkconfig is for fucking redhat |
| 15:13.55 | dvs | oh? |
| 15:14.11 | mhall | it's their substitute for update-rc.d |
| 15:14.17 | dvs | yuck! |
| 15:14.24 | mhall | an inferior substitute of course, as you'd expect |
| 15:14.59 | jgould | Here's one for you guys, I have a mixed system of Sarge, Etch, and Sid. I'd like just Etch. Is it possible to make such a move with out a complete reinstall? |
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| 15:15.11 | dvs | jgould: No. |
| 15:15.30 | dvs | jgould: If you set your sources to Etch, you probably eventually get Etch |
| 15:15.39 | dvs | but there's no guarentee |
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| 15:16.10 | mhall | jgould: just back up /home onto CD |
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| 15:16.25 | learnfromscratch | thanks mhall .. just wondered .. if i can get away with this problem.. |
| 15:16.29 | mhall | jgould: unless you're mad crazy hardcore like me with a few hundred GB everyplace |
| 15:16.39 | mhall | learnfromscratch: how did this happen in the first place |
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| 15:17.15 | bizkit | jgould: if you set your apt sources to etch and do an dist-upgrade you will eat up the old woody and sarge packages, but the newer sid ones will stay |
| 15:17.22 | mhall | this connection is slow as hell |
| 15:17.28 | learnfromscratch | am trying to install spikesource core stack.. its available for redhat.. wondered.. if i can install in in debia |
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| 15:17.32 | learnfromscratch | debian* |
| 15:17.33 | dvs | mhall: stop chatting. ;-) |
| 15:17.46 | mhall | learnfromscratch: how did you install it |
| 15:17.47 | jgould | In that case i knew I put /home on it's own partition |
| 15:18.03 | learnfromscratch | i did not install it.. i want to install it |
| 15:18.04 | mhall | learnfromscratch: if you use rpm to install it on debian that's NOT going to work |
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| 15:18.07 | dvs | jgould: That's good. |
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| 15:18.21 | csabo2 | How can i use apt to locate a programs install path? |
| 15:18.21 | mhall | learnfromscratch: you have to convert the RPMs to debs with alien |
| 15:18.22 | learnfromscratch | huh.. it's not rpm.. it is a bin file |
| 15:18.35 | mhall | learnfromscratch: yeah ok, then you have a problem |
| 15:18.45 | bizkit | jgould: it's not just /home, remember the other paths with userdata like /var /srv and so on |
| 15:18.46 | abrotman | csabo2: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 15:18.53 | abrotman | !tell csabo2 about refcard |
| 15:19.22 | jgould | What gets me is installed from etch... |
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| 15:19.34 | csabo2 | yeah the thing is, it lists like four different directories, and im updating firefox, and it wants to know what dir to put it in |
| 15:19.40 | csabo2 | and i dont want to break the install of FF |
| 15:19.43 | jgould | er the etch installer |
| 15:19.56 | csabo2 | its in /usr/bin , /usr/share /etc |
| 15:20.07 | mhall | dvs: what i mean was, i'm used to a 100mbit fiber optic |
| 15:20.20 | mhall | dvs: and now i only have a 1.5 mbit adsl |
| 15:21.01 | mhall | csabo2: use /usr/local |
| 15:21.09 | csabo2 | thanks mate |
| 15:21.16 | bizkit | mhall: use a qos queue to get irc speed up :) |
| 15:21.22 | abrotman | paulswm: you addict! |
| 15:21.27 | mhall | csabo2: it is guaranteed not to be touched by debian stuff |
| 15:21.44 | paulswm | mhall: I have 6mbit cable, so I have just shot past you in bandwidth :P |
| 15:21.55 | paulswm | abrotman: I am leaving |
| 15:22.02 | mhall | bizkit: irc works; problem is in install of kde 3.5, ooo 2.x.x, firefox |
| 15:22.09 | bizkit | paulswm: cheers, happy xmas |
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| 15:22.24 | mhall | paulswm: only until i ddos you from fiber |
| 15:22.31 | jgould | in order to get openoffice 2.0 I have to go all the way to sid. Is there a way to tell the apt-get prog to get OOo 2.0 |
| 15:22.43 | absolutzero | I cant get 1.5 to install on debian |
| 15:22.43 | mhall | jgould: use backport |
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| 15:22.48 | absolutzero | missing dependencies |
| 15:23.01 | absolutzero | apt-get doesnt feel like fetchin em |
| 15:23.04 | mhall | jgould: it's been backported already by rene and team |
| 15:23.10 | csabo2 | its not letting me do it >< |
| 15:23.25 | bizkit | specify |
| 15:23.29 | mhall | csabo2: always has worked for me |
| 15:23.37 | csabo2 | says permission denied |
| 15:23.39 | paulswm | bizkit: and a Nadolig Llawen |
| 15:23.39 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:23.44 | csabo2 | for /usr/local/firefox |
| 15:23.45 | absolutzero | try su |
| 15:23.52 | mhall | csabo2: become root |
| 15:23.54 | csabo2 | its a bin installer |
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| 15:23.58 | mhall | csabo2: retry |
| 15:24.00 | absolutzero | oh righto |
| 15:24.01 | bizkit | paulswm: i didn't understand a single word expect to you :P |
| 15:24.07 | absolutzero | you can install it for yourself |
| 15:24.13 | bizkit | s/expect/except/ |
| 15:24.17 | csabo2 | yea i was trying to be lazy :) |
| 15:24.23 | absolutzero | but its not system wide, which is what I am trying to do |
| 15:24.26 | paulswm | bizkit: "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in Welsh :) |
| 15:24.27 | mhall | csabo2: don't do that |
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| 15:24.40 | jgould | backport is backport.org, correct |
| 15:24.44 | bizkit | paulswm: heh, thanks ;) |
| 15:25.03 | mhall | paulswm: did you get forced to learn welsh in schol or ... |
| 15:25.11 | absolutzero | I found the debian package for 1.5 but it won't install |
| 15:25.26 | paulswm | mhall: I am Welsh, and I did leanr it in school but wasn't foreced to :) |
| 15:25.34 | paulswm | scuse typos |
| 15:25.39 | absolutzero | I did an apt-get updat/upgrade as well :( |
| 15:25.53 | mhall | paulswm: ah i heard from someone who moved from uk to wales and welsh was mandatory |
| 15:25.58 | mhall | paulswm: he wasn't esp. pleased |
| 15:26.05 | Covener | absolutzero: If you want any kind of help, Try telling people specifically what you tried and what specifically happened. |
| 15:26.12 | absolutzero | ah righto |
| 15:26.24 | absolutzero | wasn;t looking for help, but heck why not |
| 15:26.24 | paulswm | mhall: Not when I wne to school, I left school in 1968 :P |
| 15:26.27 | bizkit | yes |
| 15:26.30 | mhall | Covener: truer words were never spoken |
| 15:26.32 | bizkit | !tell absolutzero about ask |
| 15:26.39 | absolutzero | I grabbed the Firefox 1.5 DEB package |
| 15:26.40 | mhall | paulswm: yes i think this is a pretty modern change |
| 15:26.57 | absolutzero | and added it to the APT-Cache |
| 15:27.03 | streuner | absolutzero: and you running what? |
| 15:27.09 | streuner | absolutzero: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 15:27.17 | absolutzero | then did and APT-GET Update followed by Upgrade |
| 15:27.31 | absolutzero | after it said I was missing dependencies |
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| 15:27.50 | Covener | absolutzero: Why such an ass backwards way of installing a package, are you trying to use an unstable package in some other release? |
| 15:27.51 | paulswm | mhall: I think it's a good thing, Welsh is a very old language and it was dying out due to the Welsh being foreced to learn/speak English, so it's just a matter of correcting the balance and keeping the oldest in-use European language alive :) |
| 15:27.53 | absolutzero | then tried installing 1.5 again but it still says I have nissing dependencies |
| 15:28.10 | absolutzero | I am using the Unstable for 1.5 |
| 15:28.15 | absolutzero | for debian Sarge |
| 15:28.24 | streuner | absolutzero: ok, answer what i told you before |
| 15:28.28 | mhall | FUCKING DEBCONF |
| 15:28.42 | Covener | absolutzero: Well why would you expect the prerequisites to exist in sarge? This shouldn't be a surprising result |
| 15:28.47 | absolutzero | oh righto one sec , need to open another shell |
| 15:28.49 | mhall | paulswm: yeah i'm not sure of my opinion on it |
| 15:29.06 | paulswm | mhall: Anyway, you have a marry Christmas, stay safe |
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| 15:30.52 | absolutzero | here we go |
| 15:30.57 | jinglemouse | when you download a program which is linux based but not debian, how do you go about installing it? This is very frustrating thinking of reverting to windows! |
| 15:31.07 | absolutzero | Streuner it says: 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 15:31.07 | absolutzero | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.09 | mhall | panthera: thanks, you also |
| 15:31.22 | absolutzero | do I need a diffrent mirror? |
| 15:31.25 | mhall | jinglemouse: what program for chrissake |
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| 15:31.41 | streuner | absolutzero: mozilla-firefox is only available for unstable, just get the binaries of mozilla.org |
| 15:31.54 | absolutzero | and install via shell |
| 15:31.59 | streuner | absolutzero: if you want 1.5 for stable atm |
| 15:32.06 | jinglemouse | I am trying antivir, just to get the hang of installing something! |
| 15:32.10 | absolutzero | or rather firefox-installer-bin |
| 15:32.11 | meison | KE WEA PASA GILES KULIAOS |
| 15:32.17 | meison | LAMMERS |
| 15:32.20 | meison | CHUPENLO |
| 15:32.23 | meison | JAJAJAJAJAJA |
| 15:32.25 | mhall | jinglemouse: we have that already |
| 15:32.29 | absolutzero | Okay, how do I install it for ALL users? |
| 15:32.29 | streuner | meison: go away |
| 15:32.31 | mhall | !ops please kick meison |
| 15:32.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please kick meison |
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| 15:32.45 | jgould | Any one have a paperclip? |
| 15:32.49 | PhoenixMan | Nope. |
| 15:32.51 | absolutzero | I tried su but it still tried to install to my home directory |
| 15:32.53 | meison | AJAJAJAJA |
| 15:32.55 | bizkit | jinglemouse: you can download the sources or a precompiled version. the precompiled version is run by just adding chmod +x on it and running it, the one from sources has to be confugred, compiled and perhaps installed first, to run it. often you have to install depends like shared libs or stuff for such apps you want to compile on your own. use static precompiled versions if you trust the source |
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| 15:33.13 | bizkit | s/confugred/configured/ |
| 15:33.14 | mhall | streuner: guten tag |
| 15:33.20 | PhoenixMan | How do I add a subdomain? |
| 15:33.21 | streuner | absolutzero: just copy the whole folder to /usr/local/ |
| 15:33.24 | PhoenixMan | I believe I own the DNS. |
| 15:33.32 | PhoenixMan | Can someone guide me through it? I've never added a subdomain. |
| 15:33.33 | absolutzero | and install to /usr/local? |
| 15:33.48 | absolutzero | or have each user install it themselves FROM /usr/local |
| 15:33.59 | streuner | absolutzero: and symlink them or make an entry in .bashrc |
| 15:34.04 | jinglemouse | Are most linux users programmers? |
| 15:34.11 | streuner | no |
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| 15:35.02 | bizkit | mhall: you're german? |
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| 15:35.08 | absolutzero | Okay 1.) Install to /usr/local 2.) Create Symlink toe firefox BIN 3.) add refernce to .bashrc? |
| 15:35.12 | streuner | mhall: hi |
| 15:35.32 | PhoenixMan | How do I add a subdomain? I believe I own the DNS. I've never added one (manually) before, and I'd like a step-by-step one please. |
| 15:35.36 | bizkit | streuner sounds german :) |
| 15:35.46 | streuner | absolutzero: it up to you how to start it, just use .bashrc |
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| 15:35.59 | absolutzero | cool thanx |
| 15:36.00 | mhall | bizkit: no but I can speak it |
| 15:36.15 | mhall | bizkit: reasonably well according to streuner i believe |
| 15:36.26 | mhall | streuner: is my german decent? |
| 15:36.41 | bizkit | mhall: heh, i'm german |
| 15:36.52 | streuner | mhall: for someone who never lived in german your german is execellent |
| 15:37.03 | mhall | bizkit: cool! |
| 15:37.22 | PhoenixMan | How do I add a subdomain? I believe I own the DNS. I've never added one (manually) before, and I'd like a step-by-step one please. |
| 15:37.29 | mhall | sometimes i help users in #debian.de |
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| 15:37.59 | absolutzero | .bashrc is in /etc/skel right? |
| 15:38.03 | aequis02 | Bloody nazis ... ;) |
| 15:38.09 | jgould | LOL |
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| 15:38.45 | bizkit | mhall: i've never been in #debian.de, i don't like it when people use locales other than C or en_US, since the part-wise translations are just confusing.. |
| 15:38.49 | streuner | absolutzero: no, in your home-dir |
| 15:38.52 | PhoenixMan | I edited resolv.conf |
| 15:38.59 | PhoenixMan | How do I reload it? |
| 15:39.01 | PhoenixMan | .. |
| 15:39.05 | PhoenixMan | Yes, I'm stupid. |
| 15:39.11 | bizkit | aequis02: #politics is your playgorund ;) |
| 15:39.11 | PhoenixMan | :( |
| 15:39.20 | bizkit | err, playground |
| 15:39.35 | aequis02 | #english101 is your playground. :P |
| 15:39.56 | bizkit | PhoenixMan: reload your dns server |
| 15:39.58 | mhall | bizkit: fair enough |
| 15:40.03 | absolutzero | ah man i ma gonna have to edit every users .bashrc |
| 15:40.13 | absolutzero | gonna need a script for this... |
| 15:40.22 | jgould | I can add backports.org main to my apt-sources, correct? |
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| 15:40.37 | mhall | aequis02: quit trolling the germans for stuff their grandparents did you irresponsible hack |
| 15:40.41 | bizkit | absolutzero: man adduser |
| 15:40.44 | goron | What does Pruning file `main/Config.hs'. mean? I am debugging a Makefile, but I haven't done this before. |
| 15:40.48 | PhoenixMan | Okay. |
| 15:40.58 | PhoenixMan | Arggh.. gotta go. |
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| 15:41.00 | absolutzero | yuppers |
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| 15:41.49 | aequis02 | Irresponsible hack? xD |
| 15:42.22 | mhall | aequis02: yes. it's people like you that get wars started |
| 15:42.41 | learnfromscratch | can some one tell me when this mail was sent.. exact time.. what exactly is PST ?? .. " via HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:11:10 PST " |
| 15:42.54 | aequis02 | I'm German and I'm just playing ... :P |
| 15:42.59 | mhall | aequis02: don't you have any respect at all? |
| 15:43.14 | Omnix | learnfromscratch: Pacific time I think, -0800 UTC? |
| 15:43.27 | learnfromscratch | Omnix: thanks |
| 15:43.30 | jgould | -8000 UTC sounds right |
| 15:43.37 | aequis02 | No, apparently not. |
| 15:44.00 | mhall | Omnix: One thing that's tricky, if you pick the GMT - 8 zone you don't get daylight time adjustment. |
| 15:44.15 | mhall | Omnix: Useful for places like Arizona. |
| 15:44.52 | Omnix | mhall: duly noted in case I travel to Arizona ;-) |
| 15:45.08 | bizkit | mhall: it's kind of senseless to argue with respect.. just /ignore |
| 15:45.08 | mhall | Omnix: Or Indiana, etc. |
| 15:47.24 | aequis02 | To be serious, I see nothing wrong with poking a little fun at people who take things much too seriously. |
| 15:47.36 | nios | ? |
| 15:47.39 | mhall | aequis02: YHBT. YHL. HAND. |
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| 15:50.30 | aequis02 | Oi. |
| 15:50.41 | bizkit | aequis02: the point is, there are too much people starting pokings like this without getting serious.. you should know that. and writing german nazi is not funny for me, since i never liked the nazi stuff.. |
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| 15:51.26 | aequis02 | I don't like what happened either, but being this easily offended leads just as easily to conflict as poking fun at things like this, if not easier. |
| 15:51.40 | aequis02 | Errr, too much easier usage ... |
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| 15:53.18 | bizkit | aequis02: yes.. you're right. but use other jokes in future if you want to be funny |
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| 15:53.39 | aequis02 | I didn't want to be funny, I wanted to see who'd bite. ;) |
| 15:54.09 | bizkit | aequis02: then have fun in #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:54.36 | saapas | are there any problems with via k8t800 chipset in linux using newest drivers? especially problems with those integrated devices on such motherboard. |
| 15:55.01 | mhall | aequis02 bizkit : oof, let's not fight over a joke |
| 15:56.05 | Bonz | fight fight fight fight :) |
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| 15:56.58 | mhall | Bonz: </troll> |
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| 15:57.06 | jgould | I hate it when I reboot the wrong system |
| 15:57.07 | bizkit | saapas: via? |
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| 15:57.26 | aequis02 | lol |
| 15:57.27 | saapas | bizkit, VIA. :) not 'via something'. :) |
| 15:57.30 | intx_ | anyone know how to flush ip_conntrack? |
| 15:57.31 | Ryushin | Is it even possible to dist-upgrade to amd-x64 if you are current running i386 on a 64 amd processor? |
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| 15:57.48 | Guerin | !offence |
| 15:57.48 | dpkg | [offence] don't take offence at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen |
| 15:58.00 | jgould | LOL |
| 15:58.04 | aequis02 | Hahah. |
| 15:58.27 | Bonz | yeah im a figment of my own imagination :) |
| 15:58.33 | bizkit | saapas: which support are you searching for? i've used via often, no problems at all |
| 15:58.44 | Guerin | Bonz: wow ... you're a figment of my imagination too! |
| 15:59.01 | saapas | bizkit, audio, sata-raid, LAN .. anything that's integrated on board. |
| 15:59.34 | saapas | bizkit, I have to choose between nforce 3 and via k8t800. |
| 15:59.36 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 15:59.36 | dpkg | somebody said hcl was at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel |
| 15:59.37 | intx_ | Guerin but since you're a figment of his imagination, your imagination is technically his imagination.. :) |
| 15:59.47 | Guerin | saapas: see hcl above |
| 15:59.57 | Guerin | saapas: this is not a debian problem, ask ##linux or something |
| 16:00.09 | saapas | yes, I know. thank you |
| 16:00.48 | mhall | saapas: nf4? |
| 16:00.54 | Guerin | intx_: him being a figment of my imagination is a figment of his imagination, which is a figment of my imagination! |
| 16:00.55 | aequis02 | intx_: You've lost me. |
| 16:01.11 | aequis02 | Oh wait, now I get it. >.< |
| 16:01.20 | Guerin | mmm |
| 16:01.20 | mhall | Ryushin: no |
| 16:01.21 | Guerin | fig |
| 16:01.22 | Guerin | ment |
| 16:01.28 | bizkit | saapas: your lan and audio chips are perhaps not from via |
| 16:01.29 | saapas | mhall, uh, haven't found a motherboard with nf4 and everything I need here in Finland .. |
| 16:01.35 | mhall | Ryushin: also, openoffice doesn't work |
| 16:01.59 | Guerin | saapas: what do you need on a motherboard other than an agp and four pci slots + usb? |
| 16:02.29 | Guerin | and iff you tell me you need all sorts of shit in onboard chipsets, I'll lart you |
| 16:02.48 | saapas | lart ? |
| 16:02.52 | Guerin | !lart |
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| 16:03.10 | Guerin | !hello |
| 16:03.11 | dpkg | Hi, guerin! |
| 16:03.28 | dvs | !lart saapas |
| 16:03.37 | dvs | dar you go! |
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| 16:03.58 | saapas | so what's wrong about having lots of features on a single motherboard? |
| 16:03.59 | mhall | Guerin: well you do if you use PCIe |
| 16:04.08 | mhall | Guerin: because PCIe cards hardly exist |
| 16:04.09 | tarzeau | someone can translate a little spanish text to english for me? |
| 16:04.15 | nios | hi !what are other channel name about love |
| 16:04.16 | Guerin | !lart is <reply> (I can't believe you don't know what a lart is!|Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool; otherwise known as a Big Fucking Stick) |
| 16:04.25 | Guerin | mhall: so don't use pcie |
| 16:04.28 | Guerin | mhall: simple |
| 16:04.42 | Guerin | damnit |
| 16:04.45 | Guerin | stupid bot |
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| 16:05.03 | Omnix | saapas: if one thing goes wrong, the whole board has to be replaced |
| 16:05.20 | saapas | darn |
| 16:05.32 | dvs | Omnix: That's when you replace the thing that's gone wrong (if you can) |
| 16:06.09 | mhall | Guerin: yeah you lose a lot of i/o performance then |
| 16:06.18 | mhall | Guerin: and most video cards are headed that way |
| 16:06.21 | JJK | Does anyone know when the php5-mysqli package will become available for sid? |
| 16:06.28 | Guerin | dvs: yeah. Because if you have a motherboard with onboard ethernet, video, sound and firewire, it's really easy to just rip the chip off and replace it |
| 16:06.34 | Guerin | mhall: agp |
| 16:06.39 | Guerin | mhall: agp is still good |
| 16:06.44 | mhall | Guerin: agp is inferior |
| 16:06.47 | absolutzero | yo |
| 16:06.52 | guillaumeAA | can you read me now ? |
| 16:06.53 | dvs | Guerin: No, if the lan fails, get a LAN card and use it instead |
| 16:06.55 | mhall | Guerin: you can't have multiple high speed cards |
| 16:06.58 | Guerin | mhall: still works |
| 16:07.16 | Guerin | dvs: mainboards with all that shit onboard tend to have ~2 slots |
| 16:07.20 | thingfish | guillaumeAA: yes, we can see you. |
| 16:07.24 | Guerin | dvs: for obvious reasons |
| 16:07.26 | absolutzero | sorry testing nwrite |
| 16:07.30 | bbrazil | Guerin: lart is a builtin iirc |
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| 16:07.40 | Guerin | bbrazil: oh, yes, I remember |
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| 16:08.14 | bbrazil | Guerin: I hear tales of great ugliness |
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| 16:08.24 | Guerin | bbrazil: they are not exaggerated |
| 16:08.27 | ptlis | Any suggestions on a good PCI wLAN card that plays nicely with Debian? |
| 16:08.33 | Guerin | i don't know perl very well |
| 16:08.37 | zed | hi all i have a strange problem with my locales... |
| 16:08.41 | znob | Guerin: lessing?, you were lucky, back in my day we only had more :P |
| 16:08.43 | Guerin | but I could see the ugliness |
| 16:08.50 | mhall | ptlis: do you have a fry's electronics around |
| 16:09.04 | Guerin | znob: yeah. Good thing I didn't have to go through the binary with a hex editor |
| 16:09.04 | mhall | ptlis: or you can use outpost.com |
| 16:09.08 | ptlis | mhall, nope, I don't live in Ameria. |
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| 16:09.12 | ptlis | *America |
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| 16:09.22 | Guerin | like we had to do to soup up our characters on Champions of Krynn, back in the day |
| 16:09.31 | mhall | ptlis: hmm, then find some source of an Atheros 108 mbit card |
| 16:09.37 | mhall | ptlis: and use the madwifi driver |
| 16:09.41 | Guerin | to this day, I know that decimal 18 == hex 12 |
| 16:10.04 | zed | here's the error message => |
| 16:10.07 | zed | http://pastebin.com/477659 |
| 16:10.10 | Guerin | ptlis: america? what country? |
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| 16:10.19 | ptlis | England, currently. |
| 16:10.32 | Guerin | ptlis: no, what country in america do you come from |
| 16:10.33 | Guerin | ? |
| 16:10.47 | ptlis | I don't. |
| 16:10.48 | Omnix | zed: have you just changed locales? |
| 16:10.57 | zed | not at all |
| 16:11.06 | mhall | ok time to reboot |
| 16:11.09 | ptlis | Okay, same question but regarding PCMCIA. |
| 16:11.13 | zed | i tried to reboot but it didn't help |
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| 16:11.41 | Omnix | zed: `dpkg-reconfigure locales` and ensure you've installed/generated the locale you want to use |
| 16:11.50 | znob | ptlis: depends on what you want, some handle b too b well others are ok with just talking g |
| 16:12.10 | harobed | hi, how can I get the list of ethernet interface ? Before configure it (ifconfig...) ? |
| 16:12.14 | zed | Omnix > already did that but i couldn't find any env variable named LC_* |
| 16:12.20 | Guerin | !geography 101 is <reply> America IS NOT A COUNTRY. It's a continent. Two continents, actually, plus a bit in the middle which is mostly taken up by civil wars caused by the northern continent. But I digress. New Zealand is also not a state of Australia, Korea is actually two countries (North, bad; and South, less bad). |
| 16:12.20 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 16:12.24 | dvs | harleyg: yeah |
| 16:12.32 | dvs | harobed: yes |
| 16:12.47 | znob | ptlis: nearly all of the pcmcia wlan type stuff work outa the box with woody when it was released |
| 16:13.35 | Omnix | zed: if you run `locales` you'll see what you're set to use. I don't fiddle with it much though, you could try asking dpkg |
| 16:13.35 | aequis02 | But ... the United States of America *is* a country, and America is used as a short form to address it. |
| 16:13.45 | harobed | dvs, yes ? it's not answer of my question |
| 16:14.11 | znob | aequis02: no assumptions please |
| 16:14.14 | Guerin | aequis02: I come from New Zealand. I could call it Zealand if I wanted, but the people in that part of the Netherlands would get mighty confused. |
| 16:14.17 | zed | how do i ask dpkg ? |
| 16:14.18 | zed | :) |
| 16:14.20 | ptlis | Sweet, I wasn't sure how compatible these cards were with Debian - i've heard alot of grumbles in the past about it so was wanting to check things out before I ponyd up the cash. |
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| 16:14.30 | dvs | harobed: ifconfig will show you all the LAN devices Debian currently recognises, regardless if they are configured or not |
| 16:14.30 | Guerin | znob: /msg dpkg hello |
| 16:14.43 | znob | itsa almost as stupid as argueing about a baseballgame only held in the usa being called the world series |
| 16:14.47 | absolutzero | hmm whats the closest thing debian has to the "telegram" program? |
| 16:14.53 | aequis02 | So ... tell me who the Americans are. |
| 16:14.53 | Omnix | zed: /msg ? /query ? |
| 16:14.59 | zed | oh ok ;) sorry |
| 16:15.07 | Maulkin | absolutzero: erm... what do you mean |
| 16:15.08 | Maulkin | ? |
| 16:15.12 | Guerin | znob: well, if the US played any sports that other countries played, they might ... lose. |
| 16:15.16 | absolutzero | there is xtell and write |
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| 16:15.26 | harobed | dvs, yes, but I would like a list before configure it |
| 16:15.27 | Guerin | aequis02: ok, once you tell me about the asians. |
| 16:15.30 | znob | Omnix: in irssi-text /msg automagically opens a query |
| 16:15.30 | absolutzero | but there is a better one, I am sure |
| 16:15.48 | Maulkin | absolutzero: orville-write? |
| 16:15.49 | harobed | dvs, example, if I don't know the number of interface of my host |
| 16:15.51 | Chronoz | has anyone else recently had problem with sid? i upgraded today, and while booting i get an error, something about not being able to load the keymap. it also suggested running install-keymap, which i did, but it failed, with an error about not being able to connect to the shell |
| 16:15.52 | Omnix | znob: indeed, but I didn't check to see that he was using it :) |
| 16:15.58 | aequis02 | That's entirely different. You don't call Canadians Americans. |
| 16:15.59 | absolutzero | nah, need sto run as root |
| 16:16.08 | zed | ;) |
| 16:16.18 | absolutzero | there was one other I am sure I have it installed but I cant remember the name of it |
| 16:16.23 | streuner | aequis02: ask a debian related question |
| 16:16.29 | dvs | harobed: lspci | grep Eth |
| 16:16.29 | Guerin | aequis02: YOU don't. |
| 16:16.33 | harobed | dvs, it's /proc/net/dev ? |
| 16:16.33 | streuner | heh |
| 16:16.36 | Guerin | aequis02: they ARE americans. |
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| 16:16.50 | Guerin | aequis02: as are brazilians, panamanians, mexicans, etc. |
| 16:17.09 | dvs | harobed: Do you at least know what bus they're connected to? |
| 16:17.23 | znob | whats a good low power poe run product at the low end of the $ range that functions nice with debian? |
| 16:17.36 | harobed | dvs, it's for user mode linux test |
| 16:17.37 | zed | well dpkg didn't find out anything |
| 16:17.42 | absolutzero | maybe it IS nwrite |
| 16:18.14 | Guerin | nooo |
| 16:18.14 | dvs | harobed: Then I don't know. |
| 16:18.20 | Guerin | old toshibas are the win! |
| 16:18.29 | harobed | dvs, ok, thanks |
| 16:18.36 | dvs | harobed: sorry |
| 16:18.38 | absolutzero | any good tutorial on configuring and SMTP server to send and recieve mail with Debian? |
| 16:18.42 | Fujoor | I have a little question, if i want to install a file that ends with .tar.gz how do i do it? |
| 16:18.46 | absolutzero | I am having no luck |
| 16:18.46 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 16:18.47 | dpkg | hmm... mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 16:18.53 | absolutzero | http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 16:18.56 | absolutzero | thx |
| 16:18.58 | tarzeau | Fujoor: which? |
| 16:19.03 | znob | would prefer something that could manage 3.5" ide, but more interested in something that wont require too much fudging of debian too get it going |
| 16:19.09 | Fujoor | tarzeau: ctorrent for example |
| 16:19.15 | Maulkin | absolutzero: apt-get install debtags && debtags search use::chatting |
| 16:19.19 | Maulkin | absolutzero: that may help |
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| 16:20.03 | Fujoor | tarzeau: i have downloaded the file, and now i want to install it |
| 16:20.03 | thecoolestcow | anyone able to tell me what program is in the top right here? http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots-dev/majes_fluxbox.jpg |
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| 16:20.33 | goron | Is there some software which gives insight in the structure of a MakeFile? |
| 16:20.39 | nios_ | my email wontall@gmail.com |
| 16:20.45 | kspath | torsmo |
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| 16:21.00 | Maulkin | Fujoor: Erm... could you give some more details? a .tar.gz is like a zip file. |
| 16:21.13 | kspath | thecoolestcow: torsmo |
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| 16:21.42 | Fujoor | maulkin: ah, i thought it was like a deb file, that you just wrote something and it installed itself, okej, it contains a lot of *.cpp and *.h files, do i have to compile it? |
| 16:21.52 | Maulkin | Fujoor: yes |
| 16:21.54 | thecoolestcow | thanks. |
| 16:21.59 | Maulkin | Fujoor: What's the program? |
| 16:22.00 | dvs | *sigh* |
| 16:22.07 | Fujoor | maulkin: and in that case, is there a guide somewhere? ctorrent, a console torrent client |
| 16:22.12 | kspath | thecoolestcow: torsmo is a strong guess might be something a bit different but torsmo does that kinda of thing |
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| 16:22.33 | naphex_ | thecoolestcow: xrootconsole also does that I think. |
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| 16:22.44 | Maulkin | Fujoor: ok... This *may* work... |
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| 16:23.25 | Maulkin | Fujoor: tar -zvxf <file>.tar.gz; cd <file>; ./configure && ./make && ./make install |
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| 16:24.11 | Maulkin | Fujoor: The actual docs should be in the tarball. (which you extract with tar -zxvf) |
| 16:25.43 | mfrisch | poor laptop |
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| 16:26.08 | jgould_ | I really should be flinging my bad cd's out the window instead |
| 16:26.25 | blondie | no you shouldn't |
| 16:26.29 | dvs | jgould_: Much cheaper that way |
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| 16:26.53 | jgould_ | dvs: agreeed |
| 16:27.27 | mfrisch | jgould_ are you from NY I know a gould there.... |
| 16:27.36 | jgould_ | Nope, Columbus Ohio |
| 16:27.48 | mfrisch | weird COOL |
| 16:27.49 | learnfromscratch | what is the difference between top and ps ? |
| 16:28.00 | dvs | mfrisch: he's your neighbor! |
| 16:28.07 | blondie | learnfromscratch: try both and you will see |
| 16:28.09 | mfrisch | dvs sssh ;-) |
| 16:28.22 | dvs | jgould_: mfrisch is looking for your laptop |
| 16:28.31 | jgould_ | mfrisch: Where are ou from |
| 16:28.47 | learnfromscratch | blondie: i use both.. but why do we have two commands.. is there any particular difference that i am missing.. blondie |
| 16:28.48 | mfrisch | jgould_ Cinci |
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| 16:29.12 | jgould_ | dvs: have picked it up before he gets here |
| 16:29.16 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 16:29.19 | blondie | learnfromscratch: yes, one keeps running until you quit and the other runs and then quits |
| 16:30.51 | paulswm | learnfromscratch: They can also show you quite different things and in different ways, play around with them and read the manpages |
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| 16:31.22 | blondie | learnfromscratch: why do we have Firefox and Links? :) |
| 16:31.30 | blondie | why do we have FreeBSD and Linux |
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| 16:31.55 | dvs | blondie: Ask FreeBSD and tell them to give up |
| 16:31.58 | mmiikkee12 | is there a known problem with the testing version of supertux? |
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| 16:32.33 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.14 | Eclipser | any ideas which /dev would have my digicam? :) |
| 16:33.25 | dvs | Eclipser: /var/log/messages |
| 16:33.57 | Eclipser | well uh, that's almost the same as dmesg and it only says "new full speed USB device using address 4" |
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| 16:34.26 | paulswm | Eclipser: There may be more detail in /var/log/sysl |
| 16:34.34 | paulswm | Eclipser: There may be more detail in /var/log/syslog, sorry |
| 16:34.42 | Eclipser | not really, no |
| 16:35.03 | liran_ | damn |
| 16:35.11 | liran_ | what do you do if you find out you're out of space |
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| 16:35.19 | dvs | Eclipser: you can start with /dev/sda1 |
| 16:35.21 | Eclipser | liran_, remove something |
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| 16:35.28 | Eclipser | dvs, I did :) |
| 16:35.28 | mmiikkee12 | secher, there's nothing about supertux in the topic |
| 16:35.38 | dvs | Eclipser: and...? |
| 16:35.56 | Eclipser | I've no idea which filesystem to specify though, I tried vfat and it said it's not a valid block device |
| 16:36.13 | mmiikkee12 | supertux: lispreader.cpp:908: lisp_object_t* lisp_cdr(lisp_object_t*): Assertion `obj->type == 5 || obj->type == 6' failed. |
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| 16:37.15 | tarzeau | what's with supertux? |
| 16:37.31 | tarzeau | mmiikkee12: not that i know |
| 16:37.41 | dvs | Eclipser: vfat is correct but not a valid block device means that it's the wrong device |
| 16:37.53 | dvs | Eclipser: is sd_mod kernel module loaded |
| 16:38.12 | Eclipser | yes |
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| 16:39.07 | dotCOMmie | is anyone using a custom kernel with the nvidia-kernel-source packages and have glx running? |
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| 16:40.55 | liran_ | my /usr and /var are taking up all my space.. |
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| 16:42.02 | abrotman | liran_: apt-get clean ? |
| 16:42.08 | RichiH | liran_: you can probably kill stuff in /usr/src or /var/log |
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| 16:42.10 | abrotman | and deborphan |
| 16:42.12 | liran_ | ok seems like /var/spool is really taking all of it |
| 16:42.15 | abrotman | RichiH: you do love us! |
| 16:42.20 | abrotman | liran_: read your damn mail |
| 16:42.23 | RichiH | sure |
| 16:42.25 | liran_ | haha |
| 16:42.31 | dvs | Eclipser: Do your other USB devices work? |
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| 16:42.41 | Eclipser | dvs, yeah, my mp3 player for example |
| 16:42.46 | dvs | Hmmmmm |
| 16:42.46 | Eclipser | (I hve only one USB port) |
| 16:42.47 | paulswm | heh, abrotman |
| 16:42.55 | liran_ | abrotman, how do i clean it entirely? |
| 16:43.00 | abrotman | clean what? |
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| 16:43.02 | Bonz | dvs: nah the all went on strike in protest :) |
| 16:43.04 | Eclipser | dvs, I did for i in /dev/sd*; do sudo mount -t vfat $i cam/; done and it didn't work |
| 16:43.16 | abrotman | liran_: cd /var ; ls | xargs du -sk |
| 16:43.27 | abrotman | and it will help to be root |
| 16:43.30 | Eclipser | actually |
| 16:43.31 | dvs | Bonz: Smart ass. :-> |
| 16:43.35 | Eclipser | my camera shut itself down |
| 16:43.38 | Eclipser | I'll try again :p |
| 16:43.42 | liran_ | can i rm /var/spool/exim/? |
| 16:43.49 | King_Brad | what is the debian command for rc-update ? |
| 16:43.59 | abrotman | liran_: how about you do what i said :) |
| 16:44.03 | abrotman | King_Brad: update-rc.d |
| 16:44.04 | liran_ | lol k hold on |
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| 16:44.17 | Eclipser | nope :( |
| 16:44.24 | paulswm | King_Brad: update-rc.d |
| 16:44.30 | dvs | Eclipser: I'd to a tail on /var/log/messages when you plug in the camera and post it in a paster. |
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| 16:44.37 | paulswm | Crap, abrotman beat me to it |
| 16:44.41 | samus | :) Hello, can anyone please help me? I won't take much of you're time. |
| 16:44.49 | abrotman | paulswm: ha! .. and i'm old and slow |
| 16:44.50 | dvs | Eclipser: sudo tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 16:44.55 | abrotman | samus: just ask |
| 16:45.02 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 16:45.07 | abrotman | !prize paulswm |
| 16:45.08 | King_Brad | okay, how can i make vncserver start with the system? |
| 16:45.21 | abrotman | King_Brad: read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 16:45.30 | liran_ | abrotman, ok so as i was saying /var/spool/exim is problematic |
| 16:45.31 | samus | As you can see, I've downloaded an I386 iso image, anyhow I burned it, and my amd tutrion 64 mobile |
| 16:45.37 | abrotman | liran_: and that's it ? |
| 16:45.43 | samus | Didn't seem to read the disk, can thise be related to my hardware problem? |
| 16:45.46 | abrotman | liran_: have you tried reading your mail ? |
| 16:45.53 | Eclipser | dvs, http://rafb.net/paste/results/a7Tmx342.html |
| 16:45.57 | abrotman | samus: is the CD set to bootable ? |
| 16:46.05 | abrotman | liran_: and not just reading it .. deleting it |
| 16:46.06 | liran_ | can i just delete it? |
| 16:46.13 | abrotman | not the whole directory |
| 16:46.15 | samus | It's a brand new lappy, I've obtained, I need to take take out evil windows out sir, and yes it was bootable |
| 16:46.18 | samus | :) |
| 16:46.23 | abrotman | liran_: paste the contents of that dir in #flood |
| 16:46.28 | liran_ | k |
| 16:46.42 | samus | Can it maybe be the way my bios is set up? :) |
| 16:47.08 | Flodian | http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com:8000/listen.pls |
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| 16:47.14 | samus | I've checked my bios out, it was all fine.. |
| 16:47.19 | dvs | Eclipser: Did you wait a few seconds to see if anything else comes up? |
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| 16:47.27 | quad3d | when i manually makes changes to /boot/grub/menu.lst is there anything i need to run to update it? i ran update-grub, reboot, dmesg seemed to run the old stuff |
| 16:47.42 | Eclipser | dvs, yeah nothing else has come up |
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| 16:48.16 | samus | :) Sir? |
| 16:48.18 | abrotman | samus: what does the CD do ? |
| 16:48.27 | samus | It doesn't seem to read it sir. |
| 16:48.36 | Flodian | ZOMG |
| 16:48.39 | Flodian | no way mam |
| 16:48.42 | samus | I've tried alcohol120% didn't seemed to work. |
| 16:48.53 | Eclipser | dvs, when I plug in my mp3 player it shows lots of stuff |
| 16:48.58 | samus | Tried ner0, as well. Didn't succeed as planned. :( |
| 16:49.02 | phar0z | are the md5sums corerct? |
| 16:49.39 | samus | :) No sir~! lend me a hand do delete this evil corporate~~! |
| 16:49.44 | dvs | Eclipser: I don't know then. I guess your camera doesn't show up as a mass storage device. |
| 16:49.46 | samus | Windows~! :-D |
| 16:50.09 | Flodian | oohh man |
| 16:50.17 | phar0z | Windows? |
| 16:50.19 | Flodian | Stupied Sony and their new root kit |
| 16:50.25 | jgould_ | Debian Package Popularity contest??? |
| 16:50.29 | Bonz | are there any deb packages for handling streams via console web browser like w3mee, lynx & links? |
| 16:50.49 | Bonz | streams as in icecast, mp3, realaudio |
| 16:50.49 | Flodian | turns out the new sony root kit is as jacked up as the old one! |
| 16:50.50 | galois | Flodian: I would like to see them sued for it |
| 16:50.54 | an0y | sony make a new root kit ? |
| 16:50.57 | galois | surely it violates the DCMA |
| 16:51.02 | dvs | DMCA |
| 16:51.10 | galois | dvs: thanks |
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| 16:51.30 | Eclipser | dvs, that seems kind of funny but I guess I'll try to look for something on the net |
| 16:51.42 | dvs | Eclipser: Sorry I couldn't help ya |
| 16:52.15 | abrotman | Flodian: STOP SPAMMING |
| 16:52.21 | samus | Okay I will re_download the IS() image I386, But I doubt that's the problem since I've installed it in my other box. |
| 16:52.22 | Flodian | ZOMG |
| 16:52.24 | dvs | abrotman: note the name |
| 16:52.29 | abrotman | Flodian: STOP SPAMMING |
| 16:52.40 | Flodian | ARG |
| 16:52.50 | samus | " |
| 16:53.07 | Eclipser | dvs, it's ok |
| 16:53.18 | Eclipser | I still have windows on one of my boxes if it's going to be a problem :p |
| 16:53.30 | samus | Oh hellO~! One more question sir~! If you don't mind~! :) Can I download the files into a dvd? |
| 16:53.49 | samus | So I can boot it fr0m a dvd disk? I think that would fix my small little problem. |
| 16:54.27 | quad3d | hmm, seems like manual changes to /boot/grub/menu.lst got overwritten back to the old one. how do i go by modify menu.lst? |
| 16:54.31 | Eclipser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.40 | quad3d | is there a specific tool debian use? thx |
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| 16:54.47 | samus | Oh.. Well thanks anyways. |
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| 16:55.11 | blondie | samus: stop trolling |
| 16:55.36 | samus | Ok. Well happy xmas. |
| 16:55.40 | samus | G0od bye. |
| 16:56.00 | Flodian | http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com:8000/listen.pls <-- SONY ROOT KIT!!! |
| 16:56.02 | blondie | byebye |
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| 16:56.15 | blondie | Flodian: piss off |
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| 16:56.26 | dvs | blondie: No, the proper term is *plonk* |
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| 16:56.31 | samus | What's ypu |
| 16:56.34 | blondie | lol. |
| 16:56.57 | samus | What's you're problem blondie? You don't have to give us you're attitude. It's not our fault you suck at life |
| 16:57.36 | samus | After all this is a support room for debian, correct? |
| 16:57.39 | blondie | samus: well stop using 1337 speak :P |
| 16:57.43 | A1GBhard-drive | I hope so |
| 16:57.50 | blondie | and no |
| 16:57.51 | blondie | !room |
| 16:57.51 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:57.55 | samus | leet speak? It's not even about that, you don't know me. |
| 16:58.12 | blondie | "IS()" "G0od" what's that then? |
| 16:58.19 | samus | Big deal, deal with it. |
| 16:58.32 | samus | Obviously that shows me alot about you in the real world, sad soul. |
| 16:58.39 | samus | You must have no patience, :) |
| 16:58.43 | hax | has anyone seen those weird hashing directories like 3/7/6/filename.ext? how do those work? and what are they really called? |
| 16:58.55 | blondie | samus: and stop calling people "sir" |
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| 16:59.10 | samus | If you don't like it, don't help me. Simple as that, no one is forcing you to help. With you're ego.. |
| 16:59.17 | samus | Stop trying so hard. |
| 16:59.20 | A1GBhard-drive | /exit |
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| 16:59.35 | samus | Whatever, i'll find a way. :) |
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| 16:59.57 | Bonz | blondie: yes sir :P |
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| 17:00.06 | blondie | :P |
| 17:00.27 | sdakota | how to create a window like dpkg-reconfigure sometimes does? |
| 17:00.57 | galois | curses? |
| 17:01.12 | sdakota | Curses... |
| 17:01.19 | sdakota | ok, I'll search some tutorial on that |
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| 17:01.38 | galois | or more accurantely ncurses-perl I think |
| 17:02.16 | A_2gb_HDA3 | How do I uninstall a package I installed using apt-get? |
| 17:02.17 | quad3d | so uhm yea..... how do i go by update /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
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| 17:03.27 | A_2gb_HDA3 | Can anyone tell me how to uninstall a package I installed with apt-get? |
| 17:03.38 | phar0z | apt-get remove package |
| 17:03.44 | A_2gb_HDA3 | ok thanks a lot |
| 17:03.47 | phar0z | np |
| 17:04.09 | A_2gb_HDA3 | It ann/close |
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| 17:06.49 | mmiikkee12 | supertux: lispreader.cpp:908: lisp_object_t* lisp_cdr(lisp_object_t*): Assertion `obj->type == 5 || obj->type == 6' failed. when starting supertux testing, anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 17:08.21 | galois | what does a C mean before a package name in aptitude? |
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| 17:09.58 | Eclipser | hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to write a driver for the camera |
| 17:11.02 | ratm | the debian installer (netinstall) doesnt detect the onboard lan on my asrock 939 dual sata-2 is there a way to make him detect it? |
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| 17:11.13 | Eclipser | galois, half-configured says the help |
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| 17:11.26 | dvs | ratm: Did you use the linux26 boot option? |
| 17:11.48 | ratm | you mean kernel 2.6? |
| 17:11.53 | dvs | ratm: yes |
| 17:11.54 | absolutzero | exit |
| 17:11.58 | dvs | !exit |
| 17:11.58 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 17:12.03 | ratm | how do i?..he didnt offer it :) |
| 17:12.24 | dvs | ratm: Hit F2 at the boot prompt |
| 17:12.53 | ratm | ah..i will try it ...thanks :) |
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| 17:13.03 | dvs | ratm: No problem |
| 17:13.09 | look | hey! any idea what this could mean? in my kern.log "kernel: Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c032a520(lo)" should i be concerned about this? |
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| 17:14.39 | galois | Eclipser: thanks, sorry for troubling you. I checked help, but clearly not well enough |
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| 17:15.56 | quad3d | ran into problems installing 3.1r1 using linux26 boot parameter? during base install it couldn't find kernel image and faults out |
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| 17:16.57 | sdakota | how to capture the STDERR output of a command into a variable? |
| 17:16.59 | look | dvs, ;) sorry, i'm a kernel 'noob' ;) |
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| 17:17.52 | look | dvs, what are those 'privacy extensions' actually? couldn't find info on them |
| 17:18.03 | dvs | look: I have no idea either |
| 17:18.07 | dimitri | I am wondering what php version is actually on the stable version ? |
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| 17:18.13 | bbrazil | sdakota: var=$(cmd >/dev/null 2>&1) |
| 17:18.25 | dvs | !info php4 sarge |
| 17:18.37 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 17:18.50 | caphuso | bbrazil: that'll get nothing |
| 17:18.51 | dimitri | !info php sarge |
| 17:18.57 | look | dvs, ok :) thanks anyway! |
| 17:19.00 | dimitri | !info php5 sarge |
| 17:19.01 | caphuso | sdakota: what do you want to do with stdout? |
| 17:19.11 | dvs | look: Sorry I couldn't help |
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| 17:19.56 | sdakota | caphuso: just output it to screen |
| 17:20.15 | look | dvs, do you think i can ignore it? |
| 17:20.19 | look | dvs, no problem :) |
| 17:20.20 | caphuso | sdakota: hrm, something like FOO=$(cmd 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3 3>&-) |
| 17:20.22 | dvs | look: Probably |
| 17:20.29 | look | dvs, ok |
| 17:20.37 | sdakota | caphuso: ...??!!! |
| 17:20.45 | sdakota | caphuso: Ok, I'll try that |
| 17:20.48 | caphuso | that'll actually switch stdout and stderr |
| 17:21.06 | sdakota | Hey, it works! |
| 17:21.31 | sdakota | caphuso: Smart! |
| 17:21.43 | caphuso | just basic bourne shell redirection |
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| 17:22.50 | Eclipser | caphuso, what does that do exactly |
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| 17:23.12 | caphuso | Eclipser: switch stdout and stderr |
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| 17:24.53 | vasundhar | how to change the locale settings I am at present in en_in |
| 17:24.56 | vasundhar | I want en_us |
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| 17:25.08 | dvs | vasundhar: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 17:25.36 | vasundhar | Thanks dvs |
| 17:25.43 | dvs | vasundhar: no prob |
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| 17:26.42 | ratm | dvs, it didnt work either |
| 17:27.06 | dvs | ratm: The other thing I would try is the testing installer |
| 17:27.19 | ratm | it is |
| 17:27.33 | dvs | 3.1r0a? |
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| 17:28.29 | x-evian | kaxo |
| 17:28.32 | ratm | dvs, this one http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:28.33 | x-evian | !! |
| 17:28.34 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 17:28.42 | dvs | ratm: Ok, that's testing |
| 17:28.45 | x-evian | euskaldunenbat?? |
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| 17:29.20 | x-evian | alguien que hable castellano??? |
| 17:29.31 | robin_z | blink ... its Christmas Eve, have you lot nothing better to do? |
| 17:29.42 | dvs | shop! |
| 17:29.49 | robin_z | go on .. turn off you laptops for 24hrs ... I dare you ;) |
| 17:30.11 | blondie | no computer turning off |
| 17:30.13 | blondie | :| |
| 17:30.15 | dvs | robin_sz: But what if I got a new laptop for Xmas? |
| 17:30.28 | robin_z | then wait until boxing day before playing with it |
| 17:30.35 | dvs | robin_sz: Yeah right!!!!! |
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| 17:31.21 | pngwn | robin_z, how about you save us from listening to bullshit and turn your's off ;) |
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| 17:31.31 | robin_z | ha you wish! |
| 17:31.34 | Eclipser | dvs, haha |
| 17:31.34 | blondie | haha |
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| 17:33.10 | robin_z | I suppose I better get my kids presents ready |
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| 17:33.21 | robin_z | an orange, a piece of coal and a penny. |
| 17:34.25 | blondie | an american penny or a real one? :) |
| 17:34.40 | robin_z | real one of course |
| 17:34.44 | robin_z | with a ship on the back |
| 17:34.48 | blondie | lol. |
| 17:34.53 | blondie | retro |
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| 17:35.07 | __filip_ | How does i umount the swap? |
| 17:35.13 | blondie | swapoff |
| 17:35.59 | __filip_ | thanx |
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| 17:38.03 | abrotman | gravity: you flipped coasts! |
| 17:38.45 | gravity | I did |
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| 17:39.59 | abrotman | gravity: i can't believe you left the freezing cold and snow |
| 17:40.19 | gravity | abrotman: I know. Horrible, huh? |
| 17:40.26 | paulswm | abrotman: I can't believe you are still in it |
| 17:40.33 | abrotman | yeah .. i know |
| 17:40.41 | abrotman | the only way i'd go colder would be Boston |
| 17:40.41 | ratm | so there is a working module for my chipset in 2.6.14, but i want to use debian netinstall..is there a way to get things work? |
| 17:40.53 | gravity | It's 48 degrees in Boston. Still warm |
| 17:40.56 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 17:40.56 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 17:41.00 | paulswm | abrotman: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USFL0248.html |
| 17:41.03 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. it is |
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| 17:41.47 | pieper | moine |
| 17:41.49 | K | what package do i need to run a java aplication? |
| 17:41.50 | pieper | moien |
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| 17:42.02 | mmiikkee12 | what package contains the strings program? |
| 17:42.11 | paulswm | Well 70 is hardly warm |
| 17:42.16 | Eclipser | !tell K ~about java-package |
| 17:42.21 | Eclipser | erf |
| 17:42.21 | caphuso | mmiikkee12: /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:42.30 | Eclipser | !java-package |
| 17:42.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 17:42.31 | abrotman | !tell K about install java |
| 17:43.16 | paulswm | abrotman: If it gets down to 65 here everyone starts wearing gloves and arctic jackets and whines about how COLD it is :P |
| 17:43.20 | K | thanks |
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| 17:43.59 | abrotman | paulswm: cause you're all ancient :) |
| 17:44.35 | paulswm | !geezersmite abrotman |
| 17:44.42 | gravity | heh, PA |
| 17:44.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:44.56 | paulswm | gravity: Where are you at the moment? |
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| 17:45.03 | gravity | paulswm: California |
| 17:45.08 | abrotman | gravity: what is PA for ? |
| 17:45.18 | gravity | Penny Arcade. That's where that geezersmite came from |
| 17:45.24 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:45.32 | paulswm | gravity: Ah nice, FL here |
| 17:45.35 | gravity | Cool |
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| 17:46.03 | abrotman | gravity: and that bum .. Damon! |
| 17:46.32 | abrotman | paulswm: i've been there! :) |
| 17:46.38 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah. It reminded me of why I gave up on baseball to begin with. |
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| 17:47.06 | abrotman | gravity: but at least we get to keep .. uhm .. uhm .. Wells! .. oh wait .. he wants traded |
| 17:47.22 | gravity | heh |
| 17:47.23 | paulswm | abrotman: No doubt you visited Ron Jon's while there, there's a big one at Cocoa Beach |
| 17:47.34 | abrotman | paulswm: i'm surprised you'd go to a brothel |
| 17:47.57 | paulswm | Heh, Surf Shop, abrotman, smartass :P |
| 17:48.11 | abrotman | yeah i went there |
| 17:48.36 | abrotman | and i went to epcot |
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| 17:48.41 | paulswm | abrotman: But I agree with you that St. Augustine is just great |
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| 17:49.01 | Buddha| | I can't get a USB thumbdrive to automount in KDE. I have HAL installed and running, and I'm part of the 'hal' group, but it still won't automount. |
| 17:49.02 | tnks | hi all. Just wondering if anybody using a current kernel with an internal "6-in-1" card reader. I'm having some trouble with detection of media swapping. |
| 17:49.04 | abrotman | paulswm: it's such a nice place to go .. i've always found it .. quaint |
| 17:49.24 | abrotman | Buddha|: ask #debian-kde ? |
| 17:49.59 | paulswm | abrotman: Quaint, becuase it doesn't have a giant clothes pin :) |
| 17:50.06 | __filip_ | Can someone help me whit my fstab? http://pastebin.com/477727 is this right? |
| 17:50.22 | abrotman | !phillysmite paulswm |
| 17:50.31 | tnks | Before, I had an external card reader and when I'd unplug and replug it, udev would take care of everything. Now that my USB reader is internal, unplugging isn't really an option. usb_storage module reloading seems to do the trick, but that seems like a really dirty hack. Any pointers? |
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| 17:51.33 | plb | I'm trying to setup disk quotas on unstable kernel 2.6.14 everytime I run diskquota I get quotatool: Error while detecting kernel quota version: No such process |
| 17:51.40 | paulswm | __filip_: I don't see / in your fstab, why are you mounting everything on /mnt |
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| 17:52.53 | __filip_ | paulswm: This is only the part i need help with, i dont mount everything i /mnt? |
| 17:53.10 | paulswm | __filip_: What help are you needing? what is your problem? |
| 17:53.27 | debian_pwnz | I am trying to buy a cheap 32 mb video card for my desktop pc that runs debian sarge. does anyone know of a well supported video card in the 32mb range for debian? |
| 17:53.36 | __filip_ | paulswm: My partition dont show up so something most be wrong. |
| 17:53.56 | paulswm | __filip_: You mean you don't see them if you do 'df' ? |
| 17:53.59 | debian-8371 | debian_pwnz: a cheap tnt2 or geforce mx |
| 17:54.28 | blondie | __filip_: your root FS is NTFS?P |
| 17:54.31 | blondie | -? |
| 17:54.33 | blondie | ffs |
| 17:54.35 | abrotman | debian-8371: Matrox G400 |
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| 17:54.52 | paulswm | blondie: read again, he hasn't listed his root FS |
| 17:54.53 | debian-8371 | but it's better to speak of nvidia/kernel support instead of debian |
| 17:54.54 | blondie | or rather, you don't have one |
| 17:55.01 | plb | argh anyone know anything disk quotas? |
| 17:55.11 | __filip_ | They dont be automounted, my root is ext3. |
| 17:55.16 | mmiikkee12 | where can i find the program strings? |
| 17:55.19 | abrotman | plb: they're easy to get around? :) |
| 17:55.31 | paulswm | blondie: backscroll, he has only listed the entries he thinks he's having a problem with |
| 17:55.32 | plb | heh abrotman well I was referring to setting them up |
| 17:55.39 | blondie | oh right |
| 17:55.45 | abrotman | plb: you're using your own kernel .. or a debian one ? |
| 17:55.50 | plb | debian one |
| 17:55.54 | paulswm | !geezersmite blondie |
| 17:56.01 | paulswm | :P |
| 17:56.01 | JJK | Does anyone know if (and if yes: when) the php5-mysqli package will become available for sid? |
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| 17:56.19 | debian_pwnz | I am also having trouble deciding which is which when it comes to pci/isa/agp slots. I have currently one thick white slot remaining, right beside the dialup modem. I looked at pictures but i can't differenciate, besides being different colors, they look the same to me |
| 17:56.29 | riot | merry xmas :) |
| 17:56.37 | paulswm | blondie: well so much for him anyway, he just left :) |
| 17:56.41 | debian_pwnz | happy holidays |
| 17:56.43 | blondie | oh well |
| 17:56.50 | plb | abrotman: everytime I try to set a quota I get quotatool: Error while detecting kernel quota version: No such process |
| 17:56.52 | blondie | debian_pwnz: how old is the motherboard? |
| 17:56.58 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite paulswm |
| 17:57.03 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: :) |
| 17:57.09 | debian_pwnz | blondie, 2001 sony vaio machine, |
| 17:57.12 | abrotman | plb: does it require a module to be loaded ? |
| 17:57.13 | paulswm | !prise scarynetworkguy |
| 17:57.17 | vosti | does someone here work on a cubesat? |
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| 17:57.19 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: :P |
| 17:57.24 | blondie | debian_pwnz: well if it's white it's probably PCI |
| 17:57.42 | plb | abrotman: I loaded quota_v2 just like the debian administrator article says to |
| 17:57.54 | plb | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/47 |
| 17:57.58 | debian-8371 | has anyone experienced any awkward behaviour on the debian user mailing list? Since a few weeks I stopped receiving mail, I don't see connect attempts at all anymore from debian to the mail server either. |
| 17:58.07 | Buddha| | !bohfhsmite dpkg |
| 17:58.14 | Buddha| | !bofhsmite dpkg |
| 17:58.18 | debian-8371 | and I didn't unsubscribe |
| 17:58.34 | debian_pwnz | im looking at lspci output atm, but i can't seem to tell anything by it, how is that utility useful in this situation, or is it not? |
| 17:58.42 | plb | abrotman: the one thing I'm unsure of is if I have 2 partitions one / one /home do I need to enable usrquota in /etc/fstab for both partitions or just /home? |
| 17:58.43 | mmiikkee12 | !slap dpkg |
| 17:58.55 | blondie | debian_pwnz: for telling which of your slots are PCI? |
| 17:59.09 | Buddha| | !prise dpkg |
| 17:59.11 | paulswm | vosti: No, I live in central Florida so I just do rocket launches in the background on my laptop :P |
| 17:59.14 | debian_pwnz | no, which one the modem is hooked up to, because it is the same |
| 17:59.23 | abrotman | plb: i've never done quotas from an admin side .. just been forced to work around them as a user :) |
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| 17:59.27 | blondie | debian_pwnz: how long is the slot? |
| 17:59.27 | debian_pwnz | ... type of slot |
| 17:59.41 | abrotman | plb: did you check the Quota howto ? |
| 18:00.11 | plb | abrotman: where? |
| 18:00.23 | abrotman | plb: tldp.org .. i think there's a quota howto |
| 18:00.31 | debian_pwnz | not very long, i'd say about 4 in ches, it looks like this [||||][|||||||||||||||||||] its white and kinda fat |
| 18:00.49 | debian_pwnz | i can't describe things, sorry |
| 18:00.49 | abrotman | plb: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html |
| 18:00.50 | blondie | well that's probably PCI |
| 18:00.56 | abrotman | or AMR |
| 18:01.16 | debian_pwnz | there is a fax modem plugged into one of the very same slots |
| 18:01.26 | blondie | abrotman: AMR are much shorter |
| 18:01.39 | abrotman | blondie: right ... i'm going of the exact measurement of a | |
| 18:01.40 | paulswm | plb: There's a quota mini howto, if you don't have the howtos installed locally it's at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html |
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| 18:01.52 | debian_pwnz | 0000:01:0b.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem << but this doesn't tell me if it is pci or not |
| 18:01.53 | paulswm | dammit, abrotman beat me again |
| 18:01.55 | blondie | abrotman: I think 4 in ches means 4" :) |
| 18:02.05 | debian_pwnz | oh sorry, there was a typo space |
| 18:02.05 | abrotman | !tell plb about quota |
| 18:02.06 | plb | paulswm: yep I'm looking there right now |
| 18:02.10 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 18:02.27 | abrotman | !fix paulswm |
| 18:02.48 | blondie | get a room ;) |
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| 18:02.52 | robin_z | debian_pwnz surely lspci will tell you what is and what is not pci? |
| 18:02.55 | mmiikkee12 | !lart dpkg |
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| 18:03.00 | mmiikkee12 | hey... |
| 18:03.06 | debian_pwnz | robin_sz, i would think so too |
| 18:03.19 | paulswm | plb: btw, if you want to install the howtos locally, the package is doc-linux-html |
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| 18:03.48 | paulswm | !singlishsmite abrotman |
| 18:03.48 | dpkg | abrotman: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 18:03.51 | debian_pwnz | i have not really dealt with hw much, and im looking at pictures of different sluts on google images, its not helping |
| 18:03.54 | plb | thanks |
| 18:04.02 | debian_pwnz | except for being different colors, they all look the same to me |
| 18:04.06 | robin_z | paulswm: is there a "Howto make this fscking Eicon Divas card work" howto? |
| 18:04.12 | vosti | paulswm, :) |
| 18:04.25 | abrotman | robin_sz: you have divas in your computer ? |
| 18:04.29 | debian_pwnz | doh! sluts* slots |
| 18:04.30 | PnK | Can anyone help me please? I've been trying to figure out this problem for hours |
| 18:04.39 | PnK | :) |
| 18:04.40 | robin_z | abrotman: only non talkative ones |
| 18:04.53 | paulswm | debian_pwnz: sluts are ubuntu, this is debian :P |
| 18:04.59 | debian_pwnz | lol |
| 18:05.10 | debian_pwnz | what is a ubuntu |
| 18:05.23 | debian_pwnz | thats a funny sounding word |
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| 18:05.29 | paulswm | debian_pwnz: What a hilarious typo, thanks for the really good laugh |
| 18:05.38 | debian_pwnz | your mouth all puckers up, like ubun tooo |
| 18:05.40 | debian_pwnz | ehehe |
| 18:05.52 | paulswm | That's worthy of bash.org |
| 18:05.56 | robin_z | debian_pwnz an ubuntu is that thing you find stuck to the bottom of you shoe when other people have been walking their dogs |
| 18:06.12 | PnK | Can anyone help me please? |
| 18:06.26 | abrotman | this problem? |
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| 18:06.36 | debian_pwnz | i think i'll take my tower to the computer shop, and ask them, hey, i need a 16-32 mb video card, i got 20$, make it work |
| 18:06.37 | debian_pwnz | lol |
| 18:06.47 | mmiikkee12 | debian_pwnz, ubuntu is a really slow distro |
| 18:06.49 | paulswm | robin_sz: Heh re the Howto, I have looked for several "make this fscking * work" and never found one yet :) |
| 18:07.28 | paulswm | debian_pwnz: Don't forget to tell them "the slut is this size" |
| 18:07.29 | debian_pwnz | tnt2 should be alright |
| 18:07.30 | abrotman | debian_pwnz: seriously .. go ask them for something from the bargain bin |
| 18:07.42 | debian_pwnz | bargain bin? |
| 18:07.42 | abrotman | if you have AGP .. i'd get Matrox G400 |
| 18:07.52 | PnK | Well as you can see, I've just obtained a new lappy which is a amd Turion(Tm)65 mobile ML30, It's a 1.60ghz running on 448mb of ram. |
| 18:07.56 | abrotman | though ... you can get an ATI 7000 for like $20 |
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| 18:08.05 | abrotman | PnK: oh .. you changed your nick ? |
| 18:08.08 | PnK | But as you can, see I've obtained the right ISO image file whih is I386 to install it. |
| 18:08.29 | PnK | I've been reading everywhere about this platform, but it seems something is wrong. |
| 18:08.32 | robin_sz | bah |
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| 18:09.15 | PnK | :) Please, It's really important I install this before I leave the country. |
| 18:09.21 | robin_sz | paulswm perhaps there is a seperate .deb of "make * fscking work" howtos that are sold seperately |
| 18:09.26 | debian_pwnz | soon i shall have my mod chip, and debian shall run on every thing in my house, from xbox to pc to mac |
| 18:09.26 | abrotman | PnK: are there any errors ? |
| 18:09.31 | PnK | No Sir. |
| 18:09.32 | abrotman | PnK: you're being very vague |
| 18:09.33 | robin_sz | now, theres a marketing strategy :) |
| 18:09.39 | abrotman | PnK: it doesn't boot at all ? |
| 18:09.52 | debian_pwnz | which reminds me i need to post a bug, i get a kernel panic when eth1 comes up on boot time on my powerbook |
| 18:09.54 | PnK | I've installed every file correctly, into the disk as bootable. Anyhow... It doesn't seem to boot |
| 18:10.06 | PnK | On my friends, lappy it works perfectly fine~! :-/ |
| 18:10.09 | debian_pwnz | only with dhcp, with static ip it works fine |
| 18:10.16 | abrotman | PnK: you installed already? or can't get the installer to run? |
| 18:10.21 | ratm | is it bad to choose the wrong arch when downloading debian netinstall? i took i368 but ive got an amd athlon 64? |
| 18:10.29 | debian-8371 | why does mutt depend on exim4? I can use fetchmail/pop/msmtp without having to have a mailserver running, I'm not glad with this dependency |
| 18:10.31 | abrotman | !tell ratm about amd64 |
| 18:10.32 | PnK | I leave in a couple of hours, I've been awake 24 hours to figure this out sir. See, it doesn't seem to even boot |
| 18:10.47 | abrotman | PnK: but the same CD works for your friend ? |
| 18:10.48 | PnK | It just goes directly to the start up of microsoft, with out asking to boot from disk to install debian |
| 18:10.51 | debian_pwnz | PnK, kick the bastard |
| 18:10.52 | PnK | Yes sir. |
| 18:10.58 | abrotman | PnK: and your bios will boot CDs ? |
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| 18:11.04 | PnK | Yes sir. |
| 18:11.06 | robin_sz | PnK is it possible the machien is just dead? |
| 18:11.15 | PnK | I just bought the machine last night sir |
| 18:11.20 | abrotman | PnK: at what speed did you burn the ISO ? |
| 18:11.31 | PnK | As soon as I opened it, I got the disk i've obtained to install in my other pc and it worked. |
| 18:11.48 | debian_pwnz | pnk, do you have a broadband connection to that machine? |
| 18:11.49 | PnK | It's running fine with debian, this laptop won't read the disk. |
| 18:11.53 | PnK | Yes sir. |
| 18:12.06 | __filip_ | How can i get the 1024*768 screen resoulution when i am booting? I know i should att something like vga=667 or something like that? |
| 18:12.19 | ratm | thanks abrotman |
| 18:12.20 | abrotman | PnK: have you tried the etch amd64 beta installer ? |
| 18:12.31 | PnK | No sir. |
| 18:12.42 | debian_pwnz | ok, on the laptop, i suggest you get grub for nt, and make it boot the netinstall root image and ramdisk image, then it will load the debian installer, download base system and you can install packages after that |
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| 18:12.51 | ErayK | hi all ;) |
| 18:12.58 | PnK | IA64 correct sir? |
| 18:13.03 | ratm | yes |
| 18:13.04 | abrotman | PnK: aw hell no |
| 18:13.09 | ErayK | i have some problems with wifi ipw2200 |
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| 18:13.20 | debian_pwnz | you did say it was your laptop, broadband connected, won't read debian boot cd? |
| 18:13.22 | abrotman | IA64 means you spent 10,000USD+ on the machine |
| 18:13.28 | PnK | Correct sir. |
| 18:13.29 | abrotman | ia64 is itanium |
| 18:13.40 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 18:13.40 | dpkg | i guess ia64 is the new Intel Architecture, "Itanium", which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. |
| 18:13.47 | ErayK | I tried to install ieee80211 & ipw200 drivers but I can't |
| 18:14.14 | ErayK | I don't have the folder "/lib/modules/**my_kernel**/build/include |
| 18:14.14 | PnK | Dang, I guess I won't install debian on this machine. |
| 18:14.15 | abrotman | PnK: what is the cpu in the laptop ? |
| 18:14.33 | ErayK | and So he talk to me that I don't have autoconf.h... |
| 18:14.40 | PnK | AMD turion (tm ) 64 mobile |
| 18:14.44 | ratm | so...taking amd64 doesnt really make sense for a "normal" desktop user? |
| 18:14.45 | abrotman | !tell PnK about amd64 |
| 18:14.48 | debian_pwnz | pnk, sorry to jump in the middle of the conversation, but what exactly is the problem? |
| 18:15.22 | PnK | I cannot seem to boot the debian iso image i've burned to install debian on my new lappy |
| 18:15.49 | PnK | I've done this before on different machines, but for some odd reason it will not read the disk , while booting the o.s |
| 18:15.50 | debian_pwnz | what EXACTLY doesn't seem to work |
| 18:16.09 | debian_pwnz | check your bios, make sure it is enabled to boot from cdrom first |
| 18:16.15 | ErayK | Did you modify the boot on the BIOS ? |
| 18:16.19 | debian_pwnz | just double check |
| 18:16.28 | abrotman | PnK: exactly which ISO did you burn? IA64? i386? amd64? |
| 18:16.46 | PnK | Done. |
| 18:16.53 | mmiikkee12 | where can i find the program "strings"? |
| 18:17.00 | PnK | It didn't seem to worked as planned, I burned the I386 sir. |
| 18:17.05 | debian-8371 | binutils? |
| 18:17.09 | plb | abrotman: thanks for the link I think I got it right now |
| 18:17.10 | abrotman | !tell mmiikkee12 about search |
| 18:17.14 | abrotman | plb: yay! |
| 18:17.22 | mmiikkee12 | tried that |
| 18:17.25 | ErayK | mmiikkee12, apt-cache search strings |
| 18:17.30 | ErayK | =) |
| 18:17.35 | debian_pwnz | mmiikkee12, apt-cache show wajig |
| 18:17.42 | plb | abrotman: block size is the actual space the user can use correct? |
| 18:17.50 | paulswm | debian_pwnz: I submitted the slut thing to bash.org, if it gets through approval it will be quote #594363 |
| 18:17.55 | debian_pwnz | lol |
| 18:17.58 | ErayK | someone can help me ? |
| 18:17.59 | debian_pwnz | you're crazzzy |
| 18:18.00 | abrotman | plb: uhm .. not sure .. the howto doesnt' say ? |
| 18:18.12 | PnK | I didn't see a amd64 iso image. |
| 18:18.18 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: you obviously didn't try very hard .. apt-file and packages.debian.org will give you the answer |
| 18:18.25 | paulswm | debian_pwnz: It was *so* good, I couldn't let it fade into obscurity :) |
| 18:18.27 | PnK | That might solve my problem. I will re_look over the debian site. |
| 18:18.29 | mmiikkee12 | ErayK, also tried that - nothing remotely resembling strings |
| 18:18.38 | PnK | Thank you all for you're time, also marry x mas and have fun with the family. |
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| 18:18.41 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman, ffs... |
| 18:18.43 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: did you try apt-file search bin/strings ? |
| 18:18.46 | debian_pwnz | lol, well im glad my stoned self was amusing to someone |
| 18:18.48 | plb | abrotman: nm found it |
| 18:18.50 | Hoxzer | what would be good program for monitoring CPU tempature? |
| 18:19.02 | debian_pwnz | Hoxzer, lmsensors |
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| 18:19.10 | Hoxzer | rgr |
| 18:19.20 | Hoxzer | Dabina_pwnz: is it graphical? |
| 18:19.28 | abrotman | !find bin/strings$ sarge |
| 18:19.32 | debian_pwnz | you can find those in gnome |
| 18:19.34 | ErayK_ | re |
| 18:19.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/strings' (3): (/usr/arm-palmos/bin/strings) in otherosfs/prc-tools-arm ;; (/usr/m68k-palmos/bin/strings) in otherosfs/prc-tools-m68k ;; (/usr/bin/strings) in devel/binutils,devel/binutils-multiarch. |
| 18:19.40 | ErayK_ | so I said |
| 18:19.44 | bizkit | Hoxzer: gkrellm and lmsensors |
| 18:19.54 | ErayK_ | I can't install ipw2200 and ieee80211 |
| 18:19.56 | mmiikkee12 | devel/binutils. thank you. |
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| 18:20.14 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: see how easy that was |
| 18:20.16 | debian_pwnz | paulswm, what did you submit to bash? |
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| 18:20.29 | ErayK_ | re programm =) |
| 18:20.36 | programm | re |
| 18:20.41 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman, not easy when you have to read through badly written factoids to find it. |
| 18:20.49 | paulswm | Hoxzer: as was said, lmsensors, you can also then monitor the temps and a lot of other stuff in X with gkrellm |
| 18:20.51 | ErayK_ | t'as essayé le modline ? |
| 18:21.02 | programm | ErayK, pas encore... Je suis sur SUSE pour le moment |
| 18:21.07 | ErayK_ | oki =) |
| 18:21.10 | programm | Je sais pas quand je vais essayer |
| 18:21.11 | abrotman | !search |
| 18:21.12 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 18:21.18 | debian_pwnz | Hoxzer, im not sure but i think gnome-system-monitor is another one |
| 18:21.19 | programm | vu que si ça marche pas, j'aurais plus de serveur X |
| 18:21.20 | abrotman | that's badly written? .. it's helped hundreds of people |
| 18:21.22 | programm | et donc... |
| 18:21.26 | ErayK_ | si |
| 18:21.31 | paulswm | debian_pwnz: I can't flood it here, but if it's OK to /msg you I will show you |
| 18:21.33 | mmiikkee12 | i can barely understand that, i'm rewriting it... |
| 18:21.35 | ErayK_ | tu fais une sauvegarde ! |
| 18:21.39 | debian_pwnz | paulswm, sure |
| 18:21.40 | programm | Mouais... |
| 18:21.45 | Hoxzer | debian_pwnz: well my HTPC doesn't use gnome |
| 18:21.46 | ErayK_ | bah si tu fais une sauvegarde lol |
| 18:21.53 | bizkit | !fr |
| 18:21.53 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:21.55 | ErayK_ | et si c pas bon tu reprends ta sauvaarde |
| 18:21.56 | debian_pwnz | yeh, fuck gnome |
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| 18:22.10 | mmiikkee12 | it only works for packages already installed apparently |
| 18:22.27 | ErayK_ | in english noone answers me.... |
| 18:22.29 | debian_pwnz | paulswm, yes |
| 18:22.30 | ErayK_ | lol |
| 18:22.36 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: apt-file doesn't .. if you had read the whole thing .. packages.debian.org also works |
| 18:22.53 | abrotman | ErayK: why not? |
| 18:22.54 | mmiikkee12 | packages.deban.org has no search |
| 18:22.59 | debian_pwnz | yes it does |
| 18:23.00 | ErayK_ | i don't know |
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| 18:23.09 | mmiikkee12 | click the link and look... |
| 18:23.11 | ErayK_ | I have some problems with WIFI |
| 18:23.15 | vivid | does anyone know if sarges 2.4.27smp kernel supports cpu affinity? |
| 18:23.20 | ErayK_ | I tried to install ipw2200 & IEEE80211 |
| 18:23.33 | abrotman | what is the problem!?!? |
| 18:23.43 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: bullshit .. scroll to the bottom |
| 18:23.49 | debian_pwnz | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages <-- scrool down |
| 18:23.52 | debian_pwnz | for fucks sake |
| 18:23.58 | ErayK_ | but he talk to me that i don't have /lib/modules/**my_kernel**/build/include/linux/autoconf.h |
| 18:24.06 | mmiikkee12 | The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it. |
| 18:24.07 | abrotman | FFS .. there's even a link at the top that says http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html |
| 18:24.08 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:24.15 | abrotman | Search the contents of packages |
| 18:24.26 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: you need to learn how to read a little better |
| 18:24.27 | ErayK_ | in fact I don't have any folder /lib/modules/**my_kernel**/build/include |
| 18:24.41 | abrotman | !autoconf.h |
| 18:24.48 | vivid | anyone know if any of the kernels support affinity? (aSMP) |
| 18:24.52 | mmiikkee12 | gee, you'd think the search button would do that. |
| 18:24.52 | debian_pwnz | thats kinda funny |
| 18:24.55 | abrotman | ErayK: did you install build-essential |
| 18:25.01 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: sadly .. it's been broken for a while |
| 18:25.05 | paulswm | debian_pwnz: It's hilarious :) |
| 18:25.06 | mmiikkee12 | looks like a site reordering would be nice |
| 18:25.15 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: file a bug on it |
| 18:25.28 | abrotman | vivid: i thought affinity wasn't introduced until 2.6 |
| 18:25.35 | ErayK_ | I just installed kernel & some packages which installed with apt install |
| 18:25.37 | debian_pwnz | why not use apt-get install wajig, then type wajig search packagename/keyword/etc |
| 18:25.38 | vivid | damn |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | vivid: don't quote me on that .. check kerneltrap or kerneltraffic maybe |
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| 18:25.57 | debian_pwnz | or if you actually take the time to figure out a simple apt-cache search |
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| 18:26.16 | ErayK_ | I did the MANUAL on debian.org to install from another Linux |
| 18:26.19 | vivid | alright, i dont wanna use the 2.6.8 kernel, it makes my system unreliable |
| 18:26.37 | ErayK_ | my kernel is 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 18:26.40 | vivid | its solid with 2.4.27 |
| 18:26.55 | debian_pwnz | use what works best for ya |
| 18:26.58 | abrotman | vivid: yeah .. but you have to find out when affinity was introduced |
| 18:27.05 | vivid | mine is 2.4.27-2-i686-smp |
| 18:27.20 | paulswm | There's a class action lawsuit against wikipedia. Anyone can join in and add a grievance. |
| 18:27.21 | ErayK_ | I'll see if I have the build-essentials and then I'll see if I'll install them =) |
| 18:27.24 | ErayK_ | thx abrotman |
| 18:27.24 | ErayK_ | =) |
| 18:27.26 | abrotman | vivid: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6799 |
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| 18:27.31 | abrotman | ErayK: did it work ? |
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| 18:27.43 | ErayK_ | ? |
| 18:27.49 | Jean_Master | http://jeanmaster.6te.net entren y vean la aniamcion y pasenla a sus contactos. feliz navidad a todos. |
| 18:27.54 | vivid | alright, i remember when rh9 came out you had to recompile to get affinity, and i heard recently that its supported now |
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| 18:28.00 | abrotman | damn tard |
| 18:28.02 | mmiikkee12 | fixed.. |
| 18:28.05 | mmiikkee12 | !search |
| 18:28.05 | dpkg | To search for a package, use apt-cache search <regex>. Or if you need the name of a package with file x in it, go to http://packages.debian.org, scroll to the bottom, and use that. Do NOT use the search button in the page header, it's broken and doesn't even search packages. |
| 18:28.07 | ErayK_ | Merry Christmas all ;) |
| 18:28.10 | abrotman | you fucking assshole |
| 18:28.12 | ErayK_ | thx |
| 18:28.15 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: DO NOT CHANGE THAT |
| 18:28.15 | paulswm | HAHAHA |
| 18:28.16 | PnK | Thank you friend. |
| 18:28.25 | mmiikkee12 | somebody had to. |
| 18:28.25 | PnK | marry christmas to you as well. |
| 18:28.34 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: you're a fucking ass who can't read .. so you fuck it up ? |
| 18:28.40 | mmiikkee12 | i fixed it. |
| 18:28.42 | mmiikkee12 | and i can read |
| 18:28.43 | abrotman | asshole |
| 18:28.55 | mmiikkee12 | somebody fix the site if you like the factoid so much |
| 18:28.57 | Qiang | question: i have free space in my HD and it's not yet partitioned. how do i create one under linux ? |
| 18:28.58 | vivid | i may as well install 2.6.8 anyway |
| 18:29.04 | abrotman | !no search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search |
| 18:29.04 | abrotman | terms> |
| 18:29.05 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 18:29.07 | abrotman | fuck |
| 18:29.13 | PnK | ... |
| 18:29.19 | paulswm | abrotman: Look up and see what you just accidentally did to ErayK |
| 18:29.35 | debian_pwnz | holy falkin jump jesus man, lots of hostility, /me makes popcorn |
| 18:29.36 | abrotman | what i did ? |
| 18:29.45 | mmiikkee12 | ErayK_ Merry Christmas all ;) |
| 18:29.45 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman you fucking assshole |
| 18:29.51 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: piss off and die |
| 18:29.57 | programm | oO |
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| 18:30.01 | paulswm | <ErayK_> Merry Christmas all ;) |
| 18:30.01 | paulswm | <abrotman> you fucking assshole |
| 18:30.01 | paulswm | <ErayK_> thx |
| 18:30.03 | mmiikkee12 | never! |
| 18:30.03 | programm | Kick abrotman |
| 18:30.07 | paulswm | abrotman: ^^ |
| 18:30.14 | PnK | ... Null. |
| 18:30.16 | streuner | paulswm: to somebody else... |
| 18:30.22 | paulswm | streuner: I KNOW |
| 18:30.29 | streuner | paulswm: so what? |
| 18:30.31 | paulswm | That's why I said accidentally |
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| 18:30.57 | mmiikkee12 | evil people! |
| 18:30.58 | paulswm | streuner: ErayK_ then quit |
| 18:30.58 | abrotman | paulswm: i think he/she knew it wasn't directed at him/her |
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| 18:31.23 | abrotman | idiot .. if you don't know what you're doing .. don't try to fix factoids |
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| 18:32.10 | Hoxzer | is there deb out for lm-sensors? |
| 18:32.17 | abrotman | yep |
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| 18:32.30 | vivid | abrotman, that article says you need at least 2.5.8pre3 and says its not yet in 2.4.x, and links to a patch for 2.4, however, the article is 2 years old, so it may be supported now |
| 18:33.01 | abrotman | vivid: i thought it said 2.4 had very poor affinity |
| 18:33.22 | vivid | its 2 years old, probably been changed by now |
| 18:33.30 | abrotman | or was that just poor natural affinity ? |
| 18:33.41 | vivid | yea, natural/soft affinity |
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| 18:33.50 | vivid | which is only an attempt at affinity |
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| 18:34.05 | blondie | asasasasasasasasas |
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| 18:34.23 | shwag | sudo mount -o remount,mode=0777 /media/usbdisk/ ... fails saying bad mount option but .... sudo mount -o remount /media/usbdisk/ ... works. ? |
| 18:34.38 | Oll_ie | hey this mornin i installed d1 pf debian now i want to install d2 how do i do that? |
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| 18:35.02 | paulswm | !sedate blondie |
| 18:35.16 | vivid | im gonna have to do some research on this, cuz i definately want to keep my 2.4.27 kernel, my server is really solid with it, but id like to have affinity so as to charge people more money for "dedicated cpus" |
| 18:35.40 | abrotman | vivid: how unstable is 2.6 ? |
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| 18:36.00 | vivid | i wouldnt say its unstable, just not as stable as 2.4 |
| 18:36.50 | vivid | for instance, when i installed 2.6, the fresh install wouldnt boot, couldnt recognize my raid devices, just kept trying to bring them up, fail, try again, over and over |
| 18:37.02 | debian_pwnz | what the hell just happened, from tech talk to shooting the shit in under 1 second |
| 18:37.02 | debian_pwnz | its like an alternate universe man, parallel dimension |
| 18:37.46 | abrotman | vivid: that's not "unstable" .. that's broken |
| 18:38.05 | blondie | paulswm: erm kinky? :P |
| 18:38.05 | Oll_ie | hey how can i install disc 2? |
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| 18:38.09 | vivid | basically, so i reinstalled with 2.4 and its perfect |
| 18:38.20 | abrotman | Oll_ie: apt-cdrojm |
| 18:38.22 | abrotman | Oll_ie: apt-cdrom |
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| 18:38.27 | pottoko___ | hola |
| 18:38.29 | paulswm | blondie: Um, no, just a response to your asasas thing :P |
| 18:38.31 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:38.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:39.43 | paveway | !en |
| 18:39.43 | dpkg | english, you twit |
| 18:39.57 | paveway | !cn |
| 18:39.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 18:40.02 | vivid | i even had issues with sarges 2.6.8 on my workstation, couldnt bring up my bttv module...and some other stuff |
| 18:40.09 | paveway | !bg |
| 18:40.09 | dpkg | from memory, bg is Bulgaria, or background |
| 18:40.12 | pottoko___ | does anybody want to play typespeed? |
| 18:40.18 | abrotman | paveway: stop please |
| 18:40.19 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 18:40.19 | dpkg | somebody said pmm was please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel, or you can go to #debian-bots if you want to play with me |
| 18:40.22 | Oll_ie | !uk |
| 18:40.32 | tarzeau | pottoko___: me! me! |
| 18:40.47 | paulswm | Heh, tarzeau will play anything! |
| 18:40.51 | tarzeau | pottoko___: will you play #bub-n-bros http://bub-n-bros.sf.net afterwards? |
| 18:40.54 | tarzeau | paulswm: STFU ;) |
| 18:41.04 | abrotman | mog sucks! |
| 18:41.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: best game ever! |
| 18:41.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i'm stuck in world 10 |
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| 18:41.20 | paulswm | Hey, merry Christmas, tarzeau, and I hope that you have a very successful 2006 |
| 18:41.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: use the sheep! |
| 18:41.31 | paveway | well, prepare your sox for... |
| 18:41.46 | debian_pwnz | mog was the half dog dude, john candy |
| 18:41.51 | vivid | sarge is also the only distro ive used on that box, that didnt need special boot params |
| 18:41.54 | tarzeau | paulswm: thank you, and i wish you the very same |
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| 18:42.13 | pottoko___ | ok tarzeu |
| 18:42.18 | Oll_ie | hey how do i install Disc 2 of debian??? |
| 18:42.19 | paulswm | tarzeau: Thanks, buddy |
| 18:42.20 | pottoko___ | i´ll play it |
| 18:42.32 | shwag | sudo mount -o remount,mode=0777 /media/usbdisk/ ... fails saying bad mount option but .... sudo mount -o remount /media/usbdisk/ ... works. ? |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | Oll_ie: apt-cdrom |
| 18:42.36 | tarzeau | pottoko___: what's your typespeed server? |
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| 18:42.57 | xNinja | hello |
| 18:42.59 | tarzeau | takatumi: you also join #bub-n-bros ? |
| 18:43.03 | tarzeau | RichiH: and you? |
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| 18:43.31 | xsdg | so, I'm going through d-i. How do I tell it that, while I live in the US, I want my time zone to be UTC? |
| 18:43.33 | takatumi | tarzeau: a lil held up. ;-/ |
| 18:43.36 | xNinja | i just installed squirrelmail apt-get install squirrelmail but now how to check it through the web ? |
| 18:43.47 | Anthro | I'm having a problem with ieee1394. I have two essentially identical external FW disks. When I plug either of them in, scsiadd -s finds it as some scsi host (it started with scsi1, since I already have an actual scsi card at scsi0) with channel 0, id 0, lun 0. If both are plugged in, however, only one shows up. Help? |
| 18:43.53 | sdakota | how do I make bash check what distribution is installed? |
| 18:44.15 | xsdg | Anthro: what kernel? |
| 18:44.36 | Anthro | xsdg: uname -r says: 2.6.14-2-powerpc-smp |
| 18:44.50 | Anthro | xsdg: It is the Debian stock kernel. |
| 18:44.52 | xsdg | sdakota: check the motd? |
| 18:45.00 | Oll_ie | ok now ive added the cd what should i do now? |
| 18:45.02 | sdakota | xsdg: the motd can be changed. |
| 18:45.11 | xsdg | sdakota: ::nod:: |
| 18:45.12 | Anthro | sdakota: What are you trying to find out? |
| 18:45.16 | tarzeau | takatumi: server's snow.ethz.ch |
| 18:45.23 | sdakota | xsdg: ;) |
| 18:45.45 | sdakota | Anthro: What distribution is installed, and what version of that distribution. |
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| 18:45.59 | Oll_ie | abrotman ive added the cd in apt-cdrom now wat should i do |
| 18:46.00 | xsdg | sdakota: wait... distribution as in "debian" or as in "etch"? |
| 18:46.10 | abrotman | Oll_ie: use it ? |
| 18:46.13 | sdakota | xsdg: distribution as in "debian", "ubuntu", "redhat",... |
| 18:46.18 | Anthro | sdakota: Are you trying to determine whether it is stable or not? Or whether it is etch or sarge or sid? Or what source a particular package will come from if it is installed? These are all different questions. |
| 18:46.28 | takatumi | tarzeau: will join later. enjoy! |
| 18:46.35 | Oll_ie | abrotman after i type apt-cdrom it gives me options |
| 18:46.37 | sdakota | anthro: look at what I said to xsdg |
| 18:46.41 | xsdg | sdakota: that's fairly difficult |
| 18:46.48 | abrotman | like ? |
| 18:46.49 | Anthro | sdakota: Oh! You just want to know if it's Debian or not? if test -e /etc/debian_version |
| 18:46.50 | xNinja | hello...anyone did install squirrelmail using apt-get ?? |
| 18:46.53 | Oll_ie | i run apt-cdrom add |
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| 18:46.59 | Anthro | xNinja: Yes. |
| 18:47.11 | sdakota | Anthro, no, I want to know exactly what distribution it is - Redhat, Ubuntu, Debian, SuSE, ... |
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| 18:47.16 | Oll_ie | then theres options like -h -d- -r .... |
| 18:47.26 | xsdg | sdakota: certain distros have certain properties you can check for, but there's no standard way to query the distribution |
| 18:47.30 | abrotman | Oll_ie: don't you have broadband ? |
| 18:47.32 | sdakota | Anthro: Nevermind - I'll just ask it to the user. :) |
| 18:47.35 | xNinja | Anthro i just did that but now how to check the squirrelmail through whats the link would be ? mail.mydomain ? |
| 18:47.37 | sdakota | xsdg: / \ |
| 18:47.38 | Anthro | sdakota: Does ubuntu have an /etc/debian_version? |
| 18:47.46 | sdakota | Anthro: Not sure, I never checked |
| 18:47.47 | Oll_ie | abrotman i have wlan |
| 18:47.57 | abrotman | Oll_ie: no .. i mean your internet connection |
| 18:47.57 | Oll_ie | and cant install thru net install |
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| 18:48.13 | abrotman | Oll_ie: oh .. apt-cdrom should scan the cdrom for packages |
| 18:48.20 | abrotman | !apt-cdrom |
| 18:48.20 | dpkg | somebody said apt-cdrom was used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
| 18:48.22 | Anthro | xNinja: Did you read /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail/README.Debian.gz? |
| 18:48.23 | Oll_ie | cus of ndiswrapper and stupid wlan adapters that linux likes |
| 18:48.31 | sdakota | Anthro: How to make the cursor go three lines up? For example, echo "something"; echo "something else"; echo "another something", and then go three lines up, and then use echo "\r"; to clear the line |
| 18:48.32 | xNinja | Anthro nop let me check |
| 18:48.58 | Oll_ie | apr cdrom is just a tool to add cdroms to APTs source list is wat it says |
| 18:49.09 | Anthro | sdakota: Maybe with tput? |
| 18:49.59 | Anthro | xsdg: Any thoughts on the 1394 issue? |
| 18:50.01 | sdakota | Anthro: is tput installed by default, at every OS? |
| 18:50.09 | shwag | how do I remount a usb drive so that I can write to it ? |
| 18:50.13 | Anthro | sdakota: Certainly not. |
| 18:50.28 | Oll_ie | erm silly question how to i quit VI without saving changes |
| 18:50.33 | Anthro | sdakota: There is no perfectly portable way to move the cursor around, AFAIK. |
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| 18:50.46 | Coweater | Oll_ie: :q! |
| 18:50.53 | godless | hi all, xine seems broken , experienced the problem first last night when it stopped playing xvid and quicktime movies, vlc still plays the media but xine refuses (only audio) using amd64 |
| 18:50.56 | godless | sid |
| 18:51.03 | sdakota | Anthro: isn't there something like a carriage return to go back to the start, like the opposite of a newline, to go to the line above? |
| 18:51.05 | Anthro | sdakota: You could include a statically linked tput executable. |
| 18:51.18 | Oll_ie | q isnt a command |
| 18:51.48 | Anthro | sdakota: No, there is not. |
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| 18:52.06 | sdakota | Anthro: Oh... |
| 18:52.21 | Anthro | Oll_ie: :q! |
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| 18:53.15 | thegraham | How do I create an alias that deletes all email? I'm using exim. |
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| 18:53.47 | xsdg | Anthro: sorry; had to duck out to poke at installer stuff... if the drives have non-identical serial numbers, I have no idea |
| 18:53.54 | Anthro | thegraham: That deletes all email for a particular user? That deletes all email currently in exim's queue? Something else? |
| 18:54.18 | xsdg | Anthro: I would ask in #debian-ppc or oftc.net/#kernel-newbies |
| 18:54.37 | Anthro | xsdg: They should have non-identical serial numbers. I mean, they are different physical drives. I've asked in #debianppc and I am awaiting an answer. |
| 18:54.52 | thegraham | Anthro: sorry, that deletes all mail for that alias... so say blackhole@domain.org, what do i need to do to delete all mail for that user? |
| 18:55.47 | xsdg | Anthro: actually... when you plug the second drive in , what do you see in dmesg? |
| 18:56.49 | Anthro | thegraham: Oh, I see. You aren't looking for a command, you are looking for a destination email address. Well, if you aren't too pressed for performance you could just create an account and symlink /dev/null to its mail spool. |
| 18:57.10 | Anthro | xsdg: Hang on, let me try it again. |
| 18:57.17 | thegraham | Anthro: well is there a better/easier way to do it? |
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| 18:58.00 | shwag | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.07 | Anthro | thegraham: Probably. I'm not sufficiently up on exim configuration to tell you how, though. |
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| 18:58.51 | robin_sz | shwag just be root, then edit whatever you like |
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| 18:59.16 | thegraham | Anthro: OK thanks |
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| 18:59.34 | debian_pwnz | shwag, i am smoking you right now |
| 18:59.41 | thegraham | how do i supress all output from a command line? |
| 18:59.45 | ah`kin[debian] | hi all |
| 18:59.59 | shwag | debian_pwnz, I hope you better financial success. |
| 19:00.14 | Anthro | xsdg: #flood |
| 19:00.15 | paulswm | thegraham: append '> /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 19:00.34 | shwag | how do I mount a samba volume on the command line ? |
| 19:00.35 | ah`kin[debian] | any link for dl SID ?? i cant find in debian.org |
| 19:00.46 | paulswm | thegraham: append '> /dev/null 2>&1' I mean, of course without the quotes, that will send stdout and stderr to the null sink |
| 19:00.46 | debian_pwnz | thats not it, i just can't find green budd, all this damn bible town has is brown budd |
| 19:00.57 | streuner | ah`kin[debian]: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:01.36 | ah`kin[debian] | thx, streuner |
| 19:01.37 | xsdg | shwag: smbmount |
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| 19:02.04 | shwag | xsdg, i have to install the samba package first ? |
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| 19:02.39 | xsdg | shwag: yes, because samba is mainly usermode |
| 19:02.49 | xsdg | shwag: err... misunderstanding |
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| 19:03.03 | debian_pwnz | samba was a pian the patoot the first time i installed it |
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| 19:03.20 | Anthro | xsdg: So what do you think? |
| 19:03.26 | debian_pwnz | then i took my time, smoked some shwag and it made sense when i rtfm |
| 19:04.11 | xsdg | Anthro: I've never seen that before |
| 19:04.15 | misieq_ | how do i rip 'zero' track from audiocd? i've got a cd, which has a 'trichy' track - it starts at -04"48' before first track |
| 19:04.25 | shwag | debian-8371, shwag provokes agression |
| 19:04.38 | xsdg | Anthro: I'd suggest #kernelnewbies on oftc (I typoed the channel name before) |
| 19:04.42 | debian_pwnz | you mean debian_pwnz ? |
| 19:04.50 | EmleyMoor | misieq_: cdrdao may help |
| 19:06.04 | xsdg | shwag: if your question was "do I need to install samba in addition to smbfs," I don't know |
| 19:06.40 | Seb | sup yall |
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| 19:06.51 | Seb | where do I sapecify I want to keep more than 7 rotated syslogs |
| 19:06.52 | Seb | ? |
| 19:06.54 | Anthro | xsdg: Well, I'm trying oftc now. |
| 19:07.10 | Seb | i can't find any mention of this file in /etc/logrotate.conf nor in /etc/logrotate.d/* |
| 19:07.14 | Anthro | Seb: /etc/logrotate.d |
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| 19:07.18 | Seb | xsdg: sheesh, long time no see man :) |
| 19:07.27 | Anthro | Seb: Oh, um, I dunno then. |
| 19:08.12 | Seb | Anthro: couldn't find anything i nthere, care to be more specific ? |
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| 19:08.12 | xsdg | Seb: yeah. school |
| 19:08.13 | Seb | xsdg: done now ? :) |
| 19:08.20 | xsdg | Seb: winter break |
| 19:08.25 | Seb | xsdg: gotcha |
| 19:08.37 | Seb | xsdg: welcome back anyway, heh |
| 19:08.51 | Seb | so, rotating /var/log/syslog anyone ? |
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| 19:09.36 | Seb | maybe i should add a section about it to /etc/logrotate.conf, but I'd expect it to be using the global default without a specific section, and obviosuly it's not doing that |
| 19:10.32 | xsdg | Seb: the logrotate manpage seems to discuss this, though I haven't really tried configuring logrotate before |
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| 19:10.36 | misieq_ | EmleyMoor, how do i identify bus,target,lun of my drive? |
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| 19:11.23 | iostream | Merry xmas! :) |
| 19:11.48 | tarzeau | please people join http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
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| 19:12.00 | xsdg | misieq_: cdrecord -scanbus should do it |
| 19:12.03 | pottoko___ | Merry xms |
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| 19:12.13 | pottoko___ | does anybody want to play typespeed? |
| 19:12.22 | iostream | What's that? |
| 19:12.47 | pottoko___ | it's a game to measure your type speed |
| 19:12.50 | pottoko___ | ;P |
| 19:12.58 | pottoko___ | and we can play it head to head |
| 19:13.15 | iostream | heh, cool, but im on my laptop = bad keyboard :/ |
| 19:13.44 | misieq_ | cdrecord complains about not having any /dev/pg* |
| 19:14.05 | EmleyMoor | misieq_: What does cdrecord -scanbus show?# |
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| 19:14.27 | Anthro | misieq_: try cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus |
| 19:14.42 | paulswm | tarzeau: play typespeed with pottoko___ :P |
| 19:14.46 | EmleyMoor | Yes, that too |
| 19:14.49 | tarzeau | paulswm: i won |
| 19:14.53 | paulswm | Ah |
| 19:14.55 | misieq_ | http://phpfi.com/93180 |
| 19:14.59 | paulswm | !prize tarzeau |
| 19:15.08 | Buddha| | !prize dpkg |
| 19:15.51 | paulswm | I can type really fast if I don't have to actually type in a language |
| 19:15.57 | noideaatall | hello , i want to run certain commands each time the pc boots ... what file do i need to put this commands in please ? |
| 19:15.58 | misieq_ | Anthro, http://phpfi.com/93181 |
| 19:16.01 | pottoko___ | bye |
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| 19:16.05 | pottoko___ | happy christmas! |
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| 19:16.46 | paulswm | noideaatall: It's not one file, it's a series of scripts in /etc/init.d, theres a section on it and the debian boot process in the Debian Reference manual |
| 19:16.55 | Anthro | misieq_: What is that? |
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| 19:17.17 | misieq_ | output of cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus |
| 19:17.31 | xsdg | misieq_: in #flood please |
| 19:17.37 | tarzeau | xsdg: #bub-n-bros ? |
| 19:17.43 | xsdg | misieq_: err... my bad |
| 19:18.05 | Anthro | misieq_: Looks like you aren't running it as root. Are you? |
| 19:18.06 | xsdg | tarzeau: sorry; doing an install currently, so I can't really look around too much |
| 19:18.08 | misieq_ | and http://phpfi.com/93180 is output of cdrecord -scanbus |
| 19:18.13 | misieq_ | yes |
| 19:18.46 | xsdg | tarzeau: sent myself a privmsg, though, so I'll take a look a bit later |
| 19:18.54 | misieq_ | should i give the device some special rights? |
| 19:18.56 | paulswm | misieq_: Is your Cd burner on /dev/hdd? |
| 19:18.59 | Anthro | misieq_: try dev=ATAPI |
| 19:19.26 | misieq_ | Anthro, that seemed to help |
| 19:20.01 | Anthro | misieq_: One of them is better than the other, but I always forget which. |
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| 19:20.56 | feross | hey .. I need to run "wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta" on boot after the modules for the wireless card load but before the interfaces are initialised.. any ideas? |
| 19:21.09 | abrotman | feross: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:21.27 | feross | ok |
| 19:21.48 | psychonate | man: 933056k used of memory; 140948k used of swap. That seems like a lot. |
| 19:22.04 | paulswm | misieq_: if your CD burner is actually on /dev/hdd, you can check with cdrecord -scanbus dev=/dev/hdc |
| 19:22.31 | King_Brad | what is the x-windows-server package??? |
| 19:22.40 | tarzeau | x-window-system-core |
| 19:22.47 | xsdg | psychonate: how much cached? |
| 19:23.06 | misieq_ | however i'm still not able to cdrdao read-toc: http://phpfi.com/93182 |
| 19:23.13 | psychonate | xsdg, I think top only lists cached for swap |
| 19:23.24 | psychonate | xsdg, 586684k |
| 19:23.30 | xsdg | psychonate: cached is cached, whether it be in swap or memory |
| 19:23.34 | psychonate | ah |
| 19:23.41 | paulswm | misieq_: When you're writing to an ATAPI device, you can say, for instance 'dev-/dev/cdrom' or whatever your burner device is called, also I always burn as root ('sudo cdrecord ...') |
| 19:24.06 | misieq_ | paulswm, i'm trying to read, not write |
| 19:24.20 | psychonate | man, I never thought I would possibly need more than a gig of ram heh |
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| 19:24.52 | paulswm | misieq_: Well use it for reading as well |
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| 19:26.58 | xsdg | psychonate: I've had a MATLAB process use up all 1.8GB of RAM+swap on my box once |
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| 19:27.26 | psychonate | xsdg, MATLAB? |
| 19:27.57 | abrotman | psychonate: google |
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| 19:29.53 | psychonate | hmm, at this particular moment, I cannot seem to start up any new programs |
| 19:30.03 | psychonate | how convenient |
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| 19:30.06 | wobbler | psychonate: top list mem and swap if yours doesnt maybe you dont have swap set up properly |
| 19:30.06 | abrotman | !matlab |
| 19:30.12 | abrotman | psychonate: bah .. |
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| 19:30.32 | psychonate | abrotman, no, I'm serious; firefox and gkrellm simply won't start heh |
| 19:30.50 | psychonate | vi starts at least |
| 19:30.57 | psychonate | odd |
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| 19:31.12 | psychonate | !matlab |
| 19:31.17 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATLAB |
| 19:31.26 | psychonate | eh, still no browser :( |
| 19:31.29 | psychonate | and no error |
| 19:31.51 | xsdg | psychonate: OOM? |
| 19:31.57 | psychonate | well, ps says there are three firefoxes running |
| 19:32.01 | pumpkin0 | What is the most crash-resistened fs in Debian ? I have already tried and killed ext3... |
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| 19:32.13 | psychonate | I tried to start it three times, but none of them actually "came up," if you will |
| 19:32.18 | abrotman | ext3 |
| 19:32.23 | psychonate | xsdg, OOM? |
| 19:32.55 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: OK, then: how can i harden ext3 ? |
| 19:33.00 | psychonate | Yeah, something isn't right here. |
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| 19:33.02 | abrotman | how did you kill it ? |
| 19:33.06 | blondie | give it viagra |
| 19:33.13 | xsdg | psychonate: "out of memory" |
| 19:33.20 | abrotman | blondie: does your mother know you talk like that ? |
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| 19:33.28 | psychonate | xsdg, sounds plausible |
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| 19:33.35 | blondie | abrotman: yes |
| 19:33.40 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: the box loses power from time to time. |
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| 19:33.54 | psychonate | I'm not really sure what to do. I suppose I could just restart X, but that seems like a poor fix. |
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| 19:34.08 | abrotman | pumpkin0: get an UPS .. and do NOT use xfs or reiser |
| 19:34.18 | pumpkin0 | psychonate: what about removing the failed ff first. |
| 19:34.29 | psychonate | all three you mean ;) ? |
| 19:35.02 | psychonate | done, but the gkrellms won't die |
| 19:35.03 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: it's a laptop running as sensor-station in the wild. I could add more batteries... |
| 19:35.26 | pumpkin0 | psychonate: kill -9 ? |
| 19:35.27 | simm42 | good evening all - looking for some IPTABLES help. I want to create lag on packets going to a certain port - I dont want to tarpit them, I dont want to drop them - I just want them to end up with a latency of about 30 seconds - anyone know of an iptables module (or anything else) that could do this? |
| 19:36.07 | psychonate | pumpkin0, nope |
| 19:36.31 | pumpkin0 | psychonate: if kill -9 does no longer work => you're in trouble. reboot |
| 19:36.50 | blondie | kill -9 doesn't work all too often |
| 19:36.53 | abrotman | pumpkin0: or plug it in ? |
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| 19:37.00 | psychonate | pumpkin0, I'll probably just restart X soon. |
| 19:37.04 | psychonate | and see how that goes |
| 19:37.08 | psychonate | this pisses me off though |
| 19:37.08 | abrotman | simm42: #iptables ? |
| 19:37.20 | psychonate | I would like to know which program(s) are causing me grief :( |
| 19:37.24 | jr_ | anybody know of a good online apache tutorial. I would like to set up my server so my users can have public_html/ directories |
| 19:37.44 | jr_ | is this what the .htaccess file is for |
| 19:37.50 | RichiH | tarzeau: ? |
| 19:37.50 | blondie | no it's not |
| 19:37.56 | mazirian | jr_: try debian-administration.org |
| 19:38.03 | tarzeau | RichiH: #bub-n-bros |
| 19:38.03 | simm42 | abrotman: ty - was just browsing the other channel list aswell ;) |
| 19:38.06 | abrotman | RichiH: he wants you to be the pink dragon! |
| 19:38.06 | xsdg | jr_: mkdir public_html |
| 19:38.10 | blondie | jr_: by default on debian, you can just create the public_html directories and they'll work |
| 19:38.10 | RichiH | ah |
| 19:38.11 | xsdg | jr_: stick stuff in it |
| 19:38.17 | RichiH | not today, family time :) |
| 19:38.18 | abrotman | RichiH: your away message says you're working the corner |
| 19:38.21 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: no power on site. Just the laptop-main-battery. it tries to shutdown when it's running low, but fails to do so. I cannot do anything about these power failtures, i have to work around them somehow. |
| 19:38.31 | blondie | you have to change permissions though - +x on ~ and ~/public_html/ |
| 19:38.31 | psychonate | time to restart X |
| 19:38.34 | RichiH | abrotman: well, if you can pay my price.. |
| 19:38.49 | jr_ | and what are some of the differences between postgre and mysql |
| 19:38.50 | abrotman | pumpkin0: have the system check to see when the battery is at 5% .. and shut down |
| 19:39.12 | jr_ | xsdg ok il give it a show |
| 19:39.43 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: what is already implemented. But the shutdown fails/takes too long every 30-40 times. |
| 19:39.53 | blondie | get a generator |
| 19:40.01 | jr_ | blondie, +x for all users? |
| 19:40.02 | abrotman | pumpkin0: then raise the point at which you shut down .. make it 8% |
| 19:40.25 | blondie | jr_: if someone has a public_html directory, their home directory must be o+x |
| 19:40.33 | blondie | same for public_html directory |
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| 19:40.50 | abrotman | psychonate: where ? |
| 19:40.59 | psychonate | eh? |
| 19:41.06 | abrotman | psychonate: your /whois |
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| 19:41.17 | abrotman | lrwswt ? |
| 19:41.30 | abrotman | lwrswt :) |
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| 19:41.39 | psychonate | oh |
| 19:41.39 | jr_ | ok nice it works... |
| 19:41.50 | psychonate | I never even thought about what that meant actually haha |
| 19:41.51 | abrotman | psychonate: most i recognize .. but not yours |
| 19:41.56 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: Let's asume i can't do anything to prevent these things. How do i harden ext3 ? |
| 19:42.04 | psychonate | abrotman, do you live in PA? |
| 19:42.09 | abrotman | pumpkin0: are the laptops .. expendible ? |
| 19:42.11 | abrotman | psychonate: yes |
| 19:42.13 | misieq_ | oh god..... the answer was so simple... "sudo cdparanoia 0" |
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| 19:42.23 | abrotman | pumpkin0: you can mount the drives in sync mode |
| 19:42.23 | psychonate | abrotman, I assume it stands for Lower Swatara |
| 19:42.36 | abrotman | psychonate: outside pittsburgh ? |
| 19:42.45 | psychonate | abrotman, just outside Harrisburg |
| 19:42.57 | abrotman | psychonate: nothign is outside harrisburg! |
| 19:43.09 | psychonate | ha |
| 19:43.15 | abrotman | psychonate: i worked in the capitol building for a summer |
| 19:43.24 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: sounds good, i will try that. |
| 19:43.26 | psychonate | ah, nice |
| 19:43.29 | __filip_ | I know i need to have the w32codec to play mp3 but i dont know what line i need to add into my source.list |
| 19:43.33 | psychonate | abrotman, ever go to Middletown? |
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| 19:43.59 | abrotman | psychonate: not really .. hershey though |
| 19:44.07 | abrotman | psychonate: and i was out to mount gretna this summer |
| 19:44.08 | misieq_ | !tell __filip_ about marillat |
| 19:44.18 | psychonate | hershey is pretty neat |
| 19:44.23 | xsdg | what's a good linux intro for someone who's not tremendously computer-savvy? |
| 19:44.24 | psychonate | I don't even think I've been to mount gretna heh |
| 19:44.29 | paulswm | Mechanicsburg is outside Harrisburg, I lived there when doing a contract for the state DHSS in Harrissburg |
| 19:44.41 | abrotman | psychonate: there's a rails-to-trails bike trail there |
| 19:44.51 | jr_ | how would you all compare postgre to mysql |
| 19:45.00 | __filip_ | thanx |
| 19:45.00 | psychonate | abrotman, I havne't owned a bike in like four years :( |
| 19:45.08 | abrotman | jr_: i wouldn't .. i just wouldn't use mysql for anything |
| 19:45.08 | psychonate | s/havne't/haven't |
| 19:45.22 | misieq_ | __filip_, you can use mplayer or mplay to play mp3 |
| 19:45.30 | psychonate | gtg do some last minute christmas shopping! wish me luck |
| 19:45.32 | abrotman | psychonate: ah .. i met a friend who lives in perry county at mt gretna to ride the trail |
| 19:45.45 | abrotman | psychonate: east mall! |
| 19:45.47 | paulswm | jr_: You can prolly find comparisons via google, I personally use postgresql |
| 19:45.53 | abrotman | !mysql |
| 19:45.53 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
| 19:45.58 | psychonate | abrotman, good call ;) |
| 19:46.05 | psychonate | abrotman, maybe the Colonial Park Mall though |
| 19:46.09 | abrotman | eww! |
| 19:46.10 | psychonate | better stores, but more traffic |
| 19:46.14 | misieq_ | psychonate, it's 9 pm here, and i already have my gifts.... anyway.. good luck ;) |
| 19:46.26 | psychonate | misieq_, haha ty |
| 19:46.40 | psychonate | adios |
| 19:47.07 | paulswm | psychonate: Too late, my redneck brother in law already found Santa: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/rn_christmas.jpg |
| 19:47.30 | jr_ | if i am runing postgre i should probably turn off mysql? |
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| 19:47.38 | jr_ | or vise-versa |
| 19:47.46 | blondie | you can run both if you want |
| 19:47.47 | Jae | How to restrict a users access to ONLY there home directory, and nothing more? |
| 19:47.48 | paulswm | jr_: You can have them both |
| 19:48.01 | nofear | hey, how do u set up ntfs drives to automount so that regular uses (none root) can use them? |
| 19:48.08 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:48.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:48.25 | misieq_ | Jae, there is something like rbash that stands for restricted-bash |
| 19:49.09 | misieq_ | Jae, and you can always alias 'cd', 'alias' and 'unalias' to 'echo don't even try' ;) |
| 19:49.09 | Jae | misieq_, I want to give them full user privledges, but I dont want them to be able to neb around the system... |
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| 19:49.30 | paulswm | nofear: man 8 mount, read the mount options for ntfs |
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| 19:50.02 | nofear | I can get it to mount but only problem i have is only root can read it LOL |
| 19:50.22 | paulswm | !enjoyaolify abrotman |
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| 19:51.18 | quad3d | sweety palms |
| 19:51.42 | paulswm | nofear: man page like I said, uid=value, gid=value and umask=value |
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| 19:53.44 | misieq_ | Jae, however they can still hit <tab> to autocomplete their command, so you have to turn also this off |
| 19:55.43 | lunitik | misieq_: you really know users that'll sit at a terminal hitting *letter*<tab> all day long? |
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| 19:56.29 | Tinal | Dashing through the code, on one old four eight six, this computer sucks, and my compiler sticks. |
| 19:56.33 | Tinal | FORTRAN is too old, and perl fits no mix, and now I must restart, this hanging four eight six. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH |
| 19:56.40 | Tinal | Java Bells, Java Bells, B to C plus plus, assembly needs to die, and MAC OS is fu-ucked! |
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| 19:56.54 | Tinal | we need some holiday cheer people :D |
| 19:57.01 | blondie | :| |
| 19:57.31 | lunitik | Tinal: meh... Mac OS is awesome for all cases where version is greater than 10 :/ |
| 19:57.35 | allah | debian is finally running as i wanted, now it kicks ass!! |
| 19:57.50 | Tinal | lunitik, that isn't the point! |
| 19:57.59 | misieq_ | lunitik, i thought that autocomplete was to provide user with completion of command by system, so if one types "ls /d<tab>" your shell will replace it with "ls /dev" |
| 19:58.04 | lunitik | Tinal: it totally is as I see it ;) |
| 19:58.04 | Tinal | my song is to bring holiday cheer and laughter to the nerds of the world :D |
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| 19:58.23 | Tinal | since we all usually stay at our computers during the holidays :( |
| 19:58.36 | lunitik | misieq_: if you type ca<tab> it'll also complete the program.... |
| 19:58.39 | Tinal | i'm in the middle of a gentoo setup on another system too :( |
| 19:58.51 | debian-8371 | why doesn't debian have dvdrecord as a package? |
| 19:59.11 | lunitik | Tinal: speak for yourself... I'm off to the mall as soon as I can muster the balls to see all those people :| |
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| 19:59.26 | Tinal | people? |
| 19:59.29 | Tinal | how many people |
| 19:59.29 | lunitik | debian-8371: dvd+rw-tools? |
| 19:59.34 | Garda | where is the plugins directory for debian |
| 19:59.40 | Garda | konqueror on debian |
| 19:59.42 | Tinal | i have to goto my local mall in a few hours too |
| 19:59.43 | pumpkin0 | !tell debian-8371 about mariallat |
| 19:59.50 | misieq_ | lunaphyte, it won't if you type "/" in the beginning |
| 19:59.56 | lunitik | Tinal: on christmas eve? the mall will be freaking PACKED todaY! |
| 19:59.58 | debian-8371 | lunitik: I saw that package, don't think it's included in there |
| 19:59.58 | Tinal | i don't like this thought of people :( |
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| 20:00.06 | pumpkin0 | !tell debian-8371 about marillat |
| 20:00.06 | Tinal | too many! |
| 20:00.47 | lunitik | misieq_: why the hell would you type the full path of something in your PATH? |
| 20:01.19 | lunitik | Tinal: meh... thats a lot of chicks to hit on 8) |
| 20:01.28 | debian-8371 | already got marillat added |
| 20:01.38 | lunitik | Tinal: and if this hangover lowers any time soon, I'll be getting right on that :P |
| 20:01.54 | misieq_ | lunitik, the deal is to let user use all the commands, but to stick to his home directory - not allow him to cd or browse contents of the rest of drive |
| 20:02.47 | lunitik | misieq_: make a priviledged group... don't put user in there... and give world 0... then he can't even run anything. |
| 20:03.09 | Tinal | anywho, people, sing my song, let it's absurdity bring a smile to your faces :D |
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| 20:03.28 | Jochen3 | Hi debian people! |
| 20:03.40 | misieq_ | lunitik, say that to Jae, he asked for it |
| 20:04.05 | lunitik | Jochen3: hi, non-debian-person? |
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| 20:04.41 | Jochen3 | sorry, no |
| 20:04.44 | linlin | dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statusoverride file |
| 20:04.45 | linlin | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 20:04.46 | Jochen3 | absolute beginner |
| 20:04.52 | linlin | what should i do :( |
| 20:04.57 | Buddha| | hello Mello Yello Jell-O fellow? |
| 20:05.13 | Jochen3 | I want to add the dazuko.ko module in the modules autoloading list, like I did at SuSE or Fedora, but on debian. |
| 20:05.20 | Jochen3 | How do I do that?! |
| 20:05.35 | pumpkin0 | Jochen3: look at /etc/modules |
| 20:05.37 | Jochen3 | The problem, the module needs to be loaded before the "capability" module is being loaded |
| 20:05.49 | lunitik | Jochen3: sot he module is 'dazuko'? add it to /etc/modules (as pumpkin0 just said) |
| 20:05.54 | Jochen3 | I allready did |
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| 20:06.18 | pumpkin0 | Jochen3: is capability compiled in ? |
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| 20:06.26 | Jochen3 | Yes, but the problem is, that dazuko needs to be loaded before the capability module, which is done by the kernel at startup |
| 20:06.49 | lunitik | Jochen3: you can't try reloading it after? |
| 20:06.57 | Jochen3 | no! |
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| 20:07.30 | Jochen3 | It fails, and the dazuko dokumentation says that it has to be loaded BEFORE the capability module is being loaded but after the commoncap module! |
| 20:07.50 | Jochen3 | 1/3 commoncap 2/3 dazuko 3/3 capability |
| 20:08.10 | Jochen3 | if it is, commoncap, capability, then dazuko can't be loaded anyways |
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| 20:08.42 | lunitik | Jochen3: sounds dumb... whats the module for anyways? |
| 20:08.45 | Jochen3 | therefore I am searching for the modules line, where the kernel is reading these modules to load out. But I didn't find it |
| 20:09.07 | Jochen3 | dazuko is the standard module for virus-on-access scanning |
| 20:09.28 | Jochen3 | Modern viruskillers need this module to be loaded, to scan the whole traffic |
| 20:10.01 | Hoxzer | lets see if pc suite works with wine ;) |
| 20:10.11 | Jochen3 | DaZuKo (Datei Zugriffs Kontrolle) |
| 20:10.18 | Jochen3 | File Access Controle |
| 20:10.38 | lunitik | Jochen3: wow... theres been like one virus to worry about in about 5 years of Debian use that was worth caring about... and even then, things were patched before I even found out about it :/ |
| 20:10.54 | Jochen3 | Debian and ubuntu people are looking for an answer, and I am willing to write the article |
| 20:11.12 | Jochen3 | But if you run a mailserver, then it makes sense |
| 20:11.21 | feross | hey how do you reload the modules .. made a change in the modules.conf file |
| 20:11.43 | Jochen3 | or a file server, either makes sense, because whatever you upload to the server, any infected file (even non linux) is being scanned |
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| 20:12.02 | Jochen3 | It has it's reason why this package exist, and widely supported from the industry. |
| 20:12.09 | noideaatall | Jochen, whats a good antivurs software for linux ? |
| 20:12.18 | Jochen3 | grisoft |
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| 20:12.25 | noideaatall | i mean ,realtime an free |
| 20:12.28 | noideaatall | ? |
| 20:12.35 | Jochen3 | 35€, 2 years licence, you get the package for all operating systems |
| 20:12.42 | Jochen3 | 50$ US |
| 20:12.58 | lunitik | noideaatall: clamav ... |
| 20:13.08 | lunitik | noideaatall: free and functional :/ |
| 20:13.11 | noideaatall | clamav is not real time lunitik ? |
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| 20:14.43 | lunitik | noideaatall: afaik, it can be set to scan everything the system touches :/ |
| 20:15.16 | dagar | where can I find the kernel config for a specific kernel? |
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| 20:15.30 | noideaatall | ohh really ? thats good news !! |
| 20:15.34 | noideaatall | how how how how ? |
| 20:15.47 | lunitik | dagar: /boot/.config-`uname -r` |
| 20:15.53 | dagar | thanks |
| 20:16.05 | dagar | anyone here using a promise sata controller by any chance? |
| 20:16.14 | Hoxzer | what was the command to delete folders? |
| 20:16.21 | lunitik | dagar: actually... I don't even think its a hidden file :/ |
| 20:16.21 | noideaatall | rmdir |
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| 20:16.29 | lunitik | Hoxzer: rm -r |
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| 20:16.47 | noideaatall | rmdir works for only empty folders |
| 20:16.53 | misieq_ | anyone here familiar with spidermonkey or rhino? |
| 20:17.06 | dagar | lunitik: its not but I found it |
| 20:17.07 | dagar | just where it should be |
| 20:17.09 | lunitik | misieq_: javascript for mozilla? |
| 20:17.19 | misieq_ | lunitik, sort of... |
| 20:17.32 | dagar | is it safe to use my working kernel config from 2.6.8 on new kernel source? |
| 20:17.43 | lunitik | misieq_: familier is an over-statement... but ask your question.... |
| 20:17.54 | lunitik | dagar: kinda pointless... but sure |
| 20:18.00 | Jochen | So you guys have no answer for my answer. No?! |
| 20:18.02 | Jochen | hmmmmm |
| 20:18.03 | visik7 | dagar: use make oldconfig |
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| 20:18.22 | lunitik | Jochen: thats totally not what you meant ;) |
| 20:18.51 | lunitik | Jochen: but no... I'd rather not use proprietary virus scanners :/ |
| 20:19.02 | misieq_ | lunitik, i have a script, which writes something to document "document.write(variable)", but both rhino and sm say that '"document" is not defined" how can i make it to write to stdout? |
| 20:19.19 | noideaatall | how to set up clamav to scan everything the system touches ? |
| 20:19.22 | Maulkin | What language? :) |
| 20:19.37 | lunitik | noideaatall: read through its docs... |
| 20:19.56 | visik7 | noideaatall: is |
| 20:20.25 | misieq_ | lunitik, oh... i've already figured that out :) |
| 20:20.30 | visik7 | noideaatall: isn't enougth to monitor just the way something can reach your pc ? |
| 20:20.49 | misieq_ | lunitik, you have to replace "document.write(var)" with "print(var)" :) |
| 20:20.50 | visik7 | misieq_: email, filetransfers ecc.. ? |
| 20:20.59 | visik7 | ops |
| 20:21.12 | visik7 | s/misieq_/noideaatall |
| 20:21.13 | lunitik | misieq_: ahh... heh... I don't know anything really about java(script) :( |
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| 20:22.18 | noideaatall | visik7 you mean firewalling ? |
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| 20:22.43 | visik7 | noideaatall: not exactly |
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| 20:27.25 | omry_ | I have a server that gone berserk. it refused ssh connections, I managed to connect via vnc. any command I issue on it segfaults. can't ls, can't even reboot. anyone encuonted something like that? (I don't have physical access right now). |
| 20:27.33 | debian-8371 | exit |
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| 20:31.28 | abrotman | omry_: have you been hacked ? |
| 20:31.31 | abrotman | err cracked |
| 20:32.14 | omry_ | abrotman, possibly. currently I can't get enough info to find out. |
| 20:32.24 | blondie | s/possibly/probably/ |
| 20:32.33 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 20:32.40 | omry_ | existnig processes works, but I can't create new processes (except bash, which is strange) |
| 20:33.02 | blondie | and what does "last" say? |
| 20:33.23 | omry_ | segfaults |
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| 20:33.42 | paulswm | omry_: out of memory and swap maybe? |
| 20:33.53 | blondie | hmm |
| 20:34.00 | omry_ | paulswm, thats possible. question is what can I do in a situaltion like that. |
| 20:34.03 | VNC60663 | hi, anyone have idea about cant mount a device ? |
| 20:34.13 | omry_ | besides driving 200km and kick the damn machine. |
| 20:34.15 | bizkit | VNC60663: specify |
| 20:34.15 | VNC60663 | i have /dev/sdb1 and cant mount it |
| 20:34.15 | blondie | VNC60663: be more specific please |
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| 20:34.25 | blondie | !cant |
| 20:34.25 | dpkg | Oh yeah? Says who? |
| 20:34.27 | paulswm | omry_: Well if you can't kill processes or telinit 1 then hard reboot |
| 20:34.29 | VNC60663 | mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /var/www/vhosts/cuusinhvien.com/httpdocs/down/sdgdghfkslkhlsgsdfs/hd2 busy |
| 20:34.45 | abrotman | omry_: could be failing hardware |
| 20:34.47 | blondie | er |
| 20:34.50 | omry_ | telinit? |
| 20:34.55 | VNC60663 | umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted |
| 20:35.05 | blondie | is that really the directory name? o.O |
| 20:35.11 | VNC60663 | yes |
| 20:35.23 | omry_ | abrotman, it could be. I know for sure a data drive there is bad. I am scanning it. but its not the one with the os. |
| 20:35.24 | VNC60663 | it is a new directora i just creat |
| 20:35.30 | paulswm | omry_: yes, 'telinit 1' takes it down to single user, but I don't know if that will kill your network connection to the box |
| 20:35.34 | blondie | did you type it correctly? :P |
| 20:35.49 | VNC60663 | i just copy it and so sure it is right |
| 20:35.59 | VNC60663 | the device is also not mounted |
| 20:36.00 | blondie | is your pwd that directory? |
| 20:36.11 | VNC60663 | i think problem is at the directory |
| 20:36.13 | omry_ | paulswm, ah, it will kill my connection for sure . I am connected via vnc. (into kde) |
| 20:36.18 | VNC60663 | dont understadn why it is busy |
| 20:36.28 | VNC60663 | yes |
| 20:36.35 | bizkit | VNC60663: anything in there? dotfiles? |
| 20:36.38 | blondie | yes? then that's the problem |
| 20:36.42 | paulswm | omry_: you can't telen in and then shut down X? |
| 20:36.47 | paulswm | telnet* |
| 20:36.48 | blondie | bizkit: you can mount to non-empty directories |
| 20:37.09 | blondie | VNC60663: if you are cd-ed to that directory, then cd somewhere else and try again |
| 20:37.10 | paulswm | omry_: I bet you can't anyway, because that would be a new process |
| 20:37.21 | bizkit | blondie: thats new to me, thanks. what will happen with the files in there? |
| 20:37.26 | omry_ | paulswm, I can't ssh in. because it need to create a new process. |
| 20:37.26 | VNC60663 | no files in there |
| 20:37.28 | blondie | bizkit: they'll be hidden |
| 20:37.33 | VNC60663 | its a empty driectory |
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| 20:37.42 | omry_ | I don't understand why it let me create bash and sh. |
| 20:37.45 | omry_ | but nothing else. |
| 20:37.46 | blondie | they'll still be there, just not accessible until you umount |
| 20:37.53 | jahshua | hello |
| 20:37.58 | bizkit | VNC60663: lsod +D /var/www/vhosts/cuusinhvien.com/httpdocs/down/sdgdghfkslkhlsgsdfs/hd2 |
| 20:38.02 | bizkit | err |
| 20:38.05 | bizkit | VNC60663: lsof +D /var/www/vhosts/cuusinhvien.com/httpdocs/down/sdgdghfkslkhlsgsdfs/hd2 |
| 20:38.07 | paulswm | anyone, is there a hotkey combo to restart X? |
| 20:38.19 | blondie | ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 20:38.20 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 20:38.25 | VNC60663 | blondie can your say more detailed? |
| 20:38.33 | paulswm | abrotman: That restarts it or just shuts it down? |
| 20:38.36 | blondie | VNC60663: are you in that directory in bash? |
| 20:38.44 | VNC60663 | yes |
| 20:38.49 | blondie | that is the problem then |
| 20:38.58 | blondie | cd to a different directory |
| 20:39.00 | blondie | and try again |
| 20:39.05 | blondie | cd .. |
| 20:39.06 | jahshua | i want to dl debian but im not sure which one i should get ........http://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian-cd/3.0_r5/ or http://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/ which one should i get |
| 20:39.15 | blondie | at least, that would stop it working |
| 20:39.15 | abrotman | paulswm: kidn of crashes it :) |
| 20:39.41 | blondie | it should respawn after ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:39.57 | VNC60663 | blondie i Cd to another directory and has same problem |
| 20:40.02 | paulswm | abrotman: Then that's no good for omry_ , it would be good if he/she could restart X and see if that clears his problem, but he's remote via VNC |
| 20:40.06 | blondie | ok thats not it then |
| 20:40.07 | paulswm | blondie: thanks |
| 20:40.16 | blondie | VNC60663: make a directory in somewhere more sensible and try that |
| 20:40.26 | blondie | mkdir /mnt/sdc1 |
| 20:40.29 | VNC60663 | bizkit i have done as what u said but still same problem |
| 20:40.30 | abrotman | paulswm: that will restart it .. kind of .. if you're in X .. it will set you back to *dm |
| 20:40.35 | blondie | mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdc1 |
| 20:40.48 | VNC60663 | i make a /hd2 |
| 20:40.49 | paulswm | omry_: If you're feeling lucky, you could ctrl-alt-bksp and see if X restarts, but if not you may be out of luck |
| 20:40.50 | abrotman | paulswm: /etc/init.d/?dm restart ? |
| 20:40.51 | VNC60663 | and same problem |
| 20:40.52 | jahshua | anyone ? |
| 20:40.53 | VNC60663 | :) |
| 20:40.54 | jahshua | i want to dl debian but im not sure which one i should get ........http://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian-cd/3.0_r5/ or http://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/ which one should i get |
| 20:40.58 | VNC60663 | it is funny |
| 20:41.03 | abrotman | !d-i jahshua |
| 20:41.03 | dpkg | jahshua, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:41.03 | omry_ | paulswm, it will restart my own x :) |
| 20:41.07 | blondie | well it's something to do with teh disk then |
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| 20:41.26 | VNC60663 | yes |
| 20:41.37 | bizkit | VNC60663: well is there any pid accessing the dir? |
| 20:41.47 | blondie | bizkit: that's been ruled out as the problem |
| 20:42.01 | blondie | I suspect the error message is incorrect ;) |
| 20:42.06 | dagar | if I replace the 2.6 kernel on the net install cd with my own custom kernel that currently works will the net install function properly or is anything custom required for the boot cd? |
| 20:42.09 | paulswm | omry_: Then you could close down all apps in X, then from an xterm as root do, as abrotman suggested, /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 20:42.15 | VNC60663 | i think so blon |
| 20:42.20 | bizkit | VNC60663: what does grep sda /proc/partitions say? |
| 20:42.30 | blondie | s/sda/sdb/ |
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| 20:42.40 | omry_ | paulswm, yes. but how can I get root if I can't su? :) |
| 20:42.48 | VNC60663 | 8 0 199148544 sda |
| 20:42.49 | bizkit | sorry, got a small lastlog blondie ;) |
| 20:42.51 | omry_ | dam, thats some entrapment. |
| 20:42.55 | VNC60663 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.56 | paulswm | omry_: But there is of course a risk that it won't solve the problem and X won't restart |
| 20:42.59 | dagar | anyone here built a custom install cd before? |
| 20:43.02 | VNC60663 | 8 2 1020127 sda2 |
| 20:43.08 | VNC60663 | 8 3 198017190 sda3 |
| 20:43.11 | blondie | VNC60663: do it with sdb instead of sda |
| 20:43.11 | VNC60663 | thats all |
| 20:43.14 | omry_ | paulswm, the vnc session is in fact seperated from x. |
| 20:43.22 | VNC60663 | ok |
| 20:43.44 | paulswm | omry_: Ah, but it just occurred to me that you prolly can't run the command anyway |
| 20:43.50 | VNC60663 | but how blondir? |
| 20:44.06 | omry_ | paulswm, if its a script it may work. as its running inside bash |
| 20:44.07 | bizkit | VNC60663: what does grep sdb /proc/partitions say? |
| 20:44.10 | omry_ | which is already running. |
| 20:44.32 | VNC60663 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.38 | VNC60663 | 8 17 199141708 sdb1 |
| 20:44.40 | VNC60663 | thats all |
| 20:45.05 | bizkit | sounds good, doesn't it? |
| 20:45.10 | VNC60663 | i have two Hard disk which one is 200 GB |
| 20:45.19 | omry_ | paulswm, its strange. managed to run dmesg a few times before. now it segfauls too. |
| 20:45.37 | paulswm | omry_: It's kind of a long shot anyway, but perhaps it's better to stop X then and see if you can then look around, but I thought you said you were connected into kde |
| 20:45.44 | Estes | humm, i just installed sun's java but... how do i set the paths ? PATH=/bla/bla/ ? or is there something else ? |
| 20:45.52 | bizkit | VNC60663: cd / && mkdir /mnt/sdb1 && mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 && ls -l /mnt/sdb1 |
| 20:46.16 | omry_ | paulswm, I am connected to vnc server which started kde. |
| 20:46.22 | paulswm | Ah |
| 20:46.41 | VNC60663 | mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /mnt/sdb1 busy |
| 20:46.42 | blondie | VNC60663: are you asking us which is 200GB? |
| 20:47.00 | omry_ | if I can get an existing process to kill another... :) |
| 20:47.04 | bizkit | VNC60663: mount | grep sdb1 |
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| 20:47.37 | VNC60663 | no i mean i have two Hard disk, each is 200 GB in my system |
| 20:47.50 | blondie | I see |
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| 20:48.07 | VNC60663 | mount | grep sdb1 <-- just do it and there no message reply |
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| 20:48.42 | paulswm | omry_: I think that a runaway process eating memory and swap is more likely that a hack, so if it were me, I'd try to figure out a way to kill processes until I could run tools, and the most obvious way is to stop X |
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| 20:48.51 | bizkit | perhaps any sort of an automounter or something locking the device? |
| 20:49.10 | bizkit | you should unplug it, tail /var/log/syslog and replug the device |
| 20:49.17 | omry_ | paulswm, how would stopping X help ? |
| 20:49.23 | bizkit | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 20:49.34 | omry_ | besides the fact that I can't su so I can't stop root |
| 20:49.40 | omry_ | stop X |
| 20:49.41 | mhall | Salutations. What must I do to force debconf to re-ask all questions that it skipped because the Debian Installer was miscoded and failed to respect my super-anal priority setting? |
| 20:49.47 | VNC60663 | its a dedicated server and i cant access my system physically |
| 20:50.06 | blondie | has this disk been mounted before? |
| 20:50.12 | VNC60663 | yes |
| 20:50.16 | VNC60663 | oh no |
| 20:50.20 | VNC60663 | its a new system |
| 20:50.40 | VNC60663 | i just fdisk it and mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1 |
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| 20:50.43 | paulswm | omry_: becuase that will kill all X related processes and maybe free up some resources, but it is of course a risk that you won't be able to start it again. Hoever, you might be able to free up enough resources to do a reboot |
| 20:50.45 | mhall | Additionally how do I convince manual pages to render in UTF8? |
| 20:50.47 | blondie | I see |
| 20:50.56 | blondie | try an fsck of sdb1 |
| 20:51.03 | VNC60663 | how ? |
| 20:51.08 | blondie | fsck /dev/sdb1 |
| 20:51.24 | omry_ | paulswm, oh. possible. |
| 20:51.41 | VNC60663 | it is /dev/sdb1: i.O., 11/24903680 Dateien, 789682/49785427 Blöcke |
| 20:51.44 | omry_ | althoguh the only thing I can stop is the vnc server, which will not free that much resources. |
| 20:52.01 | mhall | VNC60663: auf Deutsch, na? |
| 20:52.07 | VNC60663 | yes Deutsch |
| 20:52.08 | VNC60663 | :) |
| 20:52.28 | VNC60663 | im living in germany |
| 20:52.50 | blondie | err try a reboot :| |
| 20:52.51 | mhall | VNC60663: what are you doing there? |
| 20:52.58 | omry_ | paulswm, I am not so sure its a hack. could be just some crap. I may have ran out of disk space on / |
| 20:53.03 | VNC60663 | i make 10 times reboot my server |
| 20:53.04 | VNC60663 | :) |
| 20:53.15 | VNC60663 | im studying here |
| 20:53.24 | abrotman | !tell VNC60663 about enter |
| 20:53.33 | mhall | VNC60663: yes; i figured it would be hard to get a job when unemployment's 15% |
| 20:53.37 | blondie | does it look OK in fdisk with "p"? |
| 20:53.55 | paulswm | omry_: if you can get to the system console (ctrl-alt-f1 from X), you can send ctrl-alt-del to reboot |
| 20:54.16 | paulswm | without having to log in |
| 20:54.25 | VNC60663 | yes |
| 20:54.29 | blondie | paulswm: if it's enabled |
| 20:54.33 | VNC60663 | p ? |
| 20:54.41 | blondie | p = print |
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| 20:54.59 | paulswm | blondie: Sure, I'm just trying to cover enverything I can think of :) |
| 20:55.01 | bbrazil | and if you can start the reboot process |
| 20:55.49 | blondie | otherwise do a hard reset if you can |
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| 20:55.49 | puff | I have a 60GB laptop drive and a 250GB external USB drive. I want to make a disk image of the laptop drive for backup[ purposes, before doing a dist-upgrade. |
| 20:55.49 | paulswm | blondie: it's a remote box |
| 20:55.50 | VNC60663 | cant use that -p |
| 20:55.57 | puff | I was about to just do dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/media/LACIE/laptopbackup.dd |
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| 20:56.17 | bbrazil | omry_: can you cat /proc/meminfo ? |
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| 20:56.39 | puff | I have plenty of space on the USB drive, but I know it takes forever to copy the data over. Would it save me time to gzip thed data? |
| 20:56.42 | omry_ | its acting up for two days now. I just managed to access the vnc by ssh tunning to vnc from a neighboring box. |
| 20:56.54 | omry_ | bbrazil, cat segfaults |
| 20:57.09 | bbrazil | omry_: definitly segfaults? not OOMed? |
| 20:57.15 | puff | And is there any way to estimate how long it will take? |
| 20:57.20 | paulswm | bbrazil: ctrl-alt-del from the system console (if it's enabled) *is* a reboot |
| 20:57.41 | mhall | puff: alright you have a couple of choices |
| 20:58.02 | mhall | puff: what format is your data and with what bus is the external drive connected |
| 20:58.05 | mhall | puff: USB 1 or 2? |
| 20:58.12 | omry_ | bbrazil, can't tell. right now I got a few segfaults from it, as well as one 'illegal instruction' |
| 20:58.17 | blondie | paulswm: I realise that, but I can do hard resets of my remote boxes |
| 20:58.20 | bbrazil | paulswm: it just invokes /sbin/shutdown |
| 20:58.26 | mhall | puff: hint: if you have some computer with USB2 hook it up to that computer and use the network |
| 20:58.28 | puff | mhall: The data is the sole drive in a laptop. |
| 20:58.31 | puff | Running linux. |
| 20:58.33 | bbrazil | omry_: I'd say hardware problems |
| 20:58.41 | puff | mhall: How do I determine what interface it's using? |
| 20:58.45 | blondie | does dmesg work? |
| 20:58.53 | puff | Er, what bus. |
| 20:58.55 | omry_ | bbrazil, my bet is on a resources problem |
| 20:58.56 | mhall | puff: yeah i'm not quite sure on that |
| 20:59.02 | mhall | puff: how new is the laptop first off |
| 20:59.03 | omry_ | blondie, it did for a few times. |
| 20:59.13 | blondie | (and does it show errors) |
| 20:59.29 | puff | mhall: Really new, about four months old, thinkpad t43p. |
| 20:59.34 | puff | mhall: So it prolly has usb2. |
| 20:59.39 | mhall | puff: oh yeah you've got to have it |
| 20:59.43 | omry_ | blondie, I saw some io errors on a disk I am badblocking, but thats expected. its not the disk with the os. and its not mounted. |
| 20:59.46 | mhall | puff: now the question is to see if it's active |
| 20:59.46 | bbrazil | omry_: segfaults and illegal instructions being caused by a resources problem? |
| 20:59.51 | blondie | k |
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| 21:00.01 | puff | mhall: Bought the USB drive in july, it works, I' |
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| 21:00.04 | omry_ | bbrazil, memory, file handles, process handles.. yes. |
| 21:00.08 | mhall | puff: first step is the following |
| 21:00.12 | absolutzero | mail |
| 21:00.15 | puff | I'm able to copy files to and from it, no idea if it's usb2 or not. |
| 21:00.26 | mhall | puff: dmesg | fgrep -i ehci |
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| 21:00.37 | mhall | puff: see if you have got an EHCI driver loaded using that command |
| 21:00.48 | mhall | puff: EHCI is the name of the USB 2.0 controller chips |
| 21:00.48 | puff | mhall: Nada. |
| 21:00.57 | mhall | puff: hmm, see if it's listed in lsmod |
| 21:00.57 | paulswm | bbrazil: very sorry, I misunderstood you |
| 21:01.04 | mhall | puff: also, what kernel version have you got? |
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| 21:01.09 | absolutzero | hiya guys, back again |
| 21:01.10 | puff | Whoops, eHci, not eChi. |
| 21:01.13 | mhall | puff: i believe the USB2 driver only appears in 2.6 |
| 21:01.14 | puff | Okay, got some output., |
| 21:01.21 | absolutzero | exim4 is driving me nuts |
| 21:01.24 | mhall | puff: ok good so that's probably working |
| 21:01.25 | s4lv1n0 | Aê! Consegui resolver meu problema de fontes no MSN! Apenas removi e instalei denovo a bendita fonte defeituosa |
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| 21:01.28 | s4lv1n0 | ops |
| 21:01.31 | s4lv1n0 | sorry |
| 21:01.33 | blondie | erm |
| 21:01.34 | blondie | yes |
| 21:01.37 | bbrazil | paulswm: no problem |
| 21:01.39 | s4lv1n0 | wrong channel |
| 21:01.41 | h | j |
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| 21:01.49 | blondie | yes, how dare you mention MSN in here :) |
| 21:01.56 | mhall | puff: now next thing is, let me poke around and see where we can measure if it's in ehci mode |
| 21:01.57 | paulswm | blondie: How do you push the power switch remotely? |
| 21:01.58 | puff | http://pastebin.com/477865 |
| 21:01.58 | absolutzero | lol |
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| 21:02.10 | blondie | paulswm: APC make such devices |
| 21:02.12 | mhall | puff: if not, then it's the equivalent of going through 10 megabit ethernet- very slow |
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| 21:02.25 | Estes | Anyone would please tell me how to add a path to my system ? i already added it in /etc/profiles but... |
| 21:02.27 | blondie | paulswm: basically a web interface to a relay... |
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| 21:02.44 | paulswm | blondie: Ah, well that would be good if omry_ had such a device |
| 21:02.46 | bbrazil | paulswm: ipmi on our dell box allows remote reboots |
| 21:03.00 | vara` | hi, im just trying to install debian, but the auto partition tool doesnt work, it gives me an error: this step could not be completed... | So i tried to use fdisk or cfdisk, but my hdd doesnt appear in /dev/hda , any tips? |
| 21:03.08 | blondie | or some machines have a second box inside them for remote management :) |
| 21:03.19 | absolutzero | Got a few questions about exim4 on debian |
| 21:03.20 | omry_ | AHA! not all is lost! I can edit a php file on that machine from the other machine (vie nfs), and apache runs my php. |
| 21:03.29 | paulswm | bbrazil: But you have to execute something I assume, and that appears to be omry_'s problem |
| 21:03.42 | mhall | puff: alright, it looks like it claims it's in high speed mode-- very very good thing |
| 21:03.43 | blondie | paulswm: depends |
| 21:03.49 | bizkit | omry_: now your only hope is you have an unsecure php installed |
| 21:03.55 | mhall | puff: now let me give you a command to benchmark the drive |
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| 21:03.57 | bbrazil | paulswm: actually its a seperate controller on the onboard nic - aiui |
| 21:04.00 | blondie | paulswm: they often have a second PC inside |
| 21:04.05 | mhall | puff: from this you can calculate the amount of time needed to back up |
| 21:04.08 | omry_ | yeah.. fighting against my own security. |
| 21:04.10 | omry_ | :) |
| 21:04.10 | bbrazil | paulswm: not relavent to this problem though |
| 21:04.12 | blondie | just for remote control |
| 21:04.19 | mhall | puff: you will need to benchmark both disks and go with the slower figure |
| 21:04.22 | comex | was I inadvertantly spamming this channel before? |
| 21:04.28 | mhall | puff: perhaps give each disk three runs and take the middle run |
| 21:04.30 | absolutzero | when exim does the DNS lookup, it find my server but then it trys to lookup my router and fails |
| 21:04.32 | blondie | (where PC = a small board with OS on chip) |
| 21:04.52 | Estes | Noone to help on this ? |
| 21:04.52 | paulswm | blondie: thanks for the info, interesting, not something with which I've had to deal |
| 21:05.00 | FinnTux | how do I tell apt to only upgrade xfree86->xorg |
| 21:05.00 | Estes | common, it's common stuff |
| 21:05.03 | FinnTux | from backports |
| 21:05.03 | paulswm | And you bbrazil, thanks for the education |
| 21:05.04 | Omnix | absolutzero: what do you mean, "lookup my router and fails"? |
| 21:05.17 | absolutzero | 2005-12-24 10:19:15 no host name found for IP address 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:05.30 | absolutzero | thats my router |
| 21:05.31 | paulswm | Anyway, it looks like his only hope is to get someone to push the big red bitton |
| 21:05.36 | blondie | absolutzero: do you have a local DNS server, or hosts file? |
| 21:05.39 | comex | Okay, does anyone know how to get rid of the message that I was, um, spamming the channel with before? :P |
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| 21:06.02 | bbrazil | comex: how long ago was this? |
| 21:06.16 | mhall | puff: ok your command is hdparm -t [device] |
| 21:06.23 | absolutzero | I am using remote dns |
| 21:06.33 | Estes | How to add a path to the system please ? |
| 21:06.40 | comex | The message in question being: Defoma has set this font as 'exclude' to keep it from being installed. You can still have it installed by unsetting the 'exclude' mark after the cause of the error gets removed. |
| 21:06.43 | vara` | hi, im just trying to install debian, but the auto partition tool doesnt work, it gives me an error: this step could not be completed... | So i tried to use fdisk or cfdisk, but my hdd doesnt appear in /dev/hda , anyone can help me? |
| 21:06.51 | absolutzero | need me to post my host file? |
| 21:07.11 | blondie | vara`: what kind of harddisk (ide/sata/scsi)? |
| 21:07.13 | SigmaX | vera: Perhaps hdd will appear in /dev/hdd? :-P |
| 21:07.19 | Estes | vara`, What was the entire message ? |
| 21:07.20 | absolutzero | DeadHead:/home/absolutzero# cat /etc/host |
| 21:07.22 | absolutzero | 127.0.0.1 thechaos.thebbs.org localhost |
| 21:07.22 | absolutzero | 192.168.0.103 thechaos.thebbs.org debian loghost mailhost |
| 21:07.32 | puff | mhall: BLKGETSIZE failed: Invalid argument |
| 21:07.37 | blondie | absolutzero: remove thechaos.thebbs.org from teh first line |
| 21:07.39 | bbrazil | comex: '/msg dpkg paste'. fonts are not my area |
| 21:07.52 | absolutzero | and put localhost? |
| 21:07.57 | blondie | no, it's already there |
| 21:07.59 | mhall | puff: ah yes, perhaps it does not always work on USB2 disks |
| 21:08.01 | puff | Ah, I'll try hdparm -t /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:08.07 | mhall | puff: since they are more scsi than ide |
| 21:08.22 | absolutzero | or just delet the line? |
| 21:08.26 | mhall | puff: if it does not work, there is another command bonnie++ which should do it; it exists as a debian package |
| 21:08.26 | blondie | no! |
| 21:08.46 | blondie | absolutzero: make the first line just be: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 21:08.56 | absolutzero | aha |
| 21:09.00 | blondie | and add a line with: 192.168.0.1 router |
| 21:09.07 | puff | http://pastebin.com/477871 |
| 21:09.12 | blondie | where "router" is the hostname of your router |
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| 21:09.48 | puff | mhall: Interesting... a) I had left a simple dd command running while talking to you, it failed with "File size limit exceeded" |
| 21:09.49 | absolutzero | gotcha...but I read a site that said not to do that very thing... |
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| 21:10.19 | puff | mhall: b) hdparm on the partition got me 29.13 MB/Sec then "BLKFLSBUF failed: Permission denied" |
| 21:10.24 | mhall | puff: ah, you were writing onto an fs with a size limit |
| 21:10.31 | puff | mhall: I guess so. |
| 21:10.39 | mhall | puff: BLKFLSBUF is used to empty the buffer before performing tests |
| 21:10.47 | puff | Ah. |
| 21:10.51 | mhall | puff: some FSen only support 2G or 4G files because of 32 bit limits |
| 21:10.56 | absolutzero | okay gonna reboot exim |
| 21:10.59 | mhall | puff: not a critical function if it's missing |
| 21:12.24 | dererk | In my wishes of freedom, I send you all Gnu users, free software developers, gpl supporters and Debian community members my BEST desires of peace this night, and a greatful time for yours!!! Merry X-MAS! ?=¬) |
| 21:12.24 | puff | http://pastebin.com/477878 |
| 21:12.41 | mhall | puff: but anyhow, the hdparm values will tell you about what to expect from the laptop disk and the external |
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| 21:13.04 | vara` | blondie |
| 21:13.08 | blondie | yes |
| 21:13.10 | puff | mhall: Yeah, makes sense. The htdparm output on repeated runs keeps jumping by 20-30MB,. |
| 21:13.11 | vara` | its and ide hdd |
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| 21:13.22 | mhall | puff: hmm |
| 21:13.25 | vara` | so it should be /dev/hda |
| 21:13.27 | absolutzero | 2005-12-24 10:28:33 no host name found for IP address 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:13.32 | absolutzero | still doing it |
| 21:13.42 | mhall | puff: i always get about 30 MB / sec |
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| 21:13.55 | mhall | puff: from a pretty everyday notebook disk |
| 21:13.56 | blondie | vara`: does it show in the bios as the first IDE device? |
| 21:14.02 | absolutzero | is there a way to reload the host file without rebooting? |
| 21:14.07 | puff | mhall: Yeah, i'm guessing that the failure to clear the buffer confuses it so it's adding :-. |
| 21:14.07 | puff | h |
| 21:14.19 | paulswm | dammit, blondie beat me to it |
| 21:14.25 | vara` | yes, it does, and i loaded the gentoo install cd |
| 21:14.28 | puff | mhall: Okay, so, with the filesize issue... what should I do to back up my machine? |
| 21:14.37 | vara` | and it detected my hdd, i dont know why debian doesnt |
| 21:14.40 | mhall | puff: yeah, what FS format are you writing into? |
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| 21:14.58 | puff | mhall: Whatever was on the lacie drive when I got it... probably something windowsy. |
| 21:15.15 | mhall | puff: yeah that'd be FAT32 i imagine, fdisk it and run p command to be sure |
| 21:15.19 | bonden | where could I find a complete sources.list file for Etch? |
| 21:15.47 | mhall | puff: you can't really back up a unix box onto fat32 very easily due to that limit and its lack of support for storing users groups and perms on individual separate files |
| 21:15.54 | blondie | vara`: hmm sounds like a driver issue, though ide should be standard |
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| 21:16.40 | puff | http://pastebin.com/477881 |
| 21:16.42 | mhall | puff: in any case you'd probably have to reformat it |
| 21:16.50 | puff | mhall: Oh joy. |
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| 21:16.50 | absolutzero | aha...is there a way to tell Exim NOT to lookup the router, but just USE the IP instead? |
| 21:17.02 | puff | Hm... I wonder if I can use mondo. |
| 21:17.08 | puff | mondo onto a USB drive... hm. |
| 21:17.13 | blondie | absolutzero: I doubt it |
| 21:17.14 | paulswm | bonden: Are you intending to upgrade to etch from sarge? |
| 21:17.17 | vara` | blondie: windows does detect it, and gentoo also... why doesnt debian detect it and how can i fix it? |
| 21:17.19 | mhall | puff: try again on /dev/sdb |
| 21:17.26 | blondie | SMTP says you need to use hostnames |
| 21:17.28 | absolutzero | dang, that woulda been to easy huh lol |
| 21:17.30 | blondie | the RFC |
| 21:17.33 | mhall | puff: mondo won't be able to back up onto fat either i don't believe |
| 21:17.35 | vara` | blondie: i remember ubunto working on the same machine, so... |
| 21:17.39 | blondie | vara`: dunno |
| 21:17.42 | absolutzero | yeah, forgot about that |
| 21:17.44 | mhall | puff: you could try ghost4linux as well as mondo |
| 21:17.47 | blondie | try rebooting and cross your fingers |
| 21:17.48 | paulswm | vara`: I've never seen that issue |
| 21:17.48 | omry_ | bbrazil, I managed to print /proc/meminfo with php. what should I look for? |
| 21:17.49 | mhall | puff: it's easier to use |
| 21:18.06 | mhall | puff: about your fdisk problem, you can't fdisk partitions, only drives |
| 21:18.06 | absolutzero | okie dokie. naybe it needs to re-read the host file |
| 21:18.22 | bbrazil | omry_: what's MemFree? |
| 21:18.29 | vara` | blondie: i though debian would give me some info, this is the error msg: Automatically partition hard drives: an instalation step failed. |
| 21:18.31 | omry_ | MemFree: 3536 kB |
| 21:18.37 | bbrazil | and SwapFree? |
| 21:18.41 | paulswm | Wow, that's not a lot |
| 21:18.47 | omry_ | SwapFree: 417076 kB |
| 21:18.49 | mhall | puff: in any case i have to leave for lunch |
| 21:18.49 | puff | http://pastebin.com/477882 |
| 21:18.52 | blondie | vara`: can you press alt-F2 to get a prompt? |
| 21:18.54 | tomasherout | Marry Xmas to all :o) |
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| 21:19.01 | vara` | blondie yes |
| 21:19.14 | blondie | well do that, and try fdisk /dev/hda and see if that works |
| 21:19.15 | bbrazil | omry_: not a memory resoure problem anyway |
| 21:19.21 | dererk | tomasherout, Same to you!! ?=¬) |
| 21:19.22 | omry_ | bbrazil, probably. how do I get running processes list? |
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| 21:19.27 | puff | mhall: Thanks for your help, guess I'll have to try out ghost4linux. |
| 21:19.38 | bbrazil | omry_: 'ls /proc' |
| 21:19.39 | vara` | blondie: i already tryed to do fdisk and cfdisk, but there is no /dev/hda |
| 21:19.39 | puff | mhall: And eventually reformat this lacie drive. |
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| 21:19.50 | puff | mhall: What fs would you reccomend for the drive? |
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| 21:19.51 | bbrazil | omry_: could you cat /proc/loadavg ? |
| 21:19.54 | Jean_Master | entra a http://jeanmaster.6te.net mira la aniamcion y pasala a tus cntactos |
| 21:19.54 | Jean_Master | entra a http://jeanmaster.6te.net mira la aniamcion y pasala a tus cntactos |
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| 21:20.00 | blondie | vara`: hmm, look in dmesg |
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| 21:20.02 | Eleks | Hello! |
| 21:20.04 | Jean_Master | entra a http://jeanmaster.6te.net mira la aniamcion y pasala a tus cntactos |
| 21:20.06 | blondie | get out |
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| 21:20.14 | thingfish | vara`: did you use the installer's default kernel, or did you do linux26 to get the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:20.16 | mhall | puff: XFS, EXT3FS, EXT2FS, JFS in that order of preference |
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| 21:20.18 | Jean_Master | entra a http://jeanmaster.6te.net mira la aniamcion y pasala a tus cntactos |
| 21:20.20 | Jean_Master | entra a http://jeanmaster.6te.net mira la aniamcion y pasala a tus cntactos |
| 21:20.24 | Jean_Master | entra a http://jeanmaster.6te.net mira la aniamcion y pasala a tus cntactos |
| 21:20.24 | mhall | !ops kick Jean_Master |
| 21:20.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kick Jean_Master |
| 21:20.25 | streuner | !ops Jean_Master flooding the channel |
| 21:20.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Jean_Master flooding the channel |
| 21:20.30 | riot | Jean_Master: FUCK YOU! |
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| 21:20.36 | eeyore- | vara`: what kind of controller is this? |
| 21:20.36 | helix | riot: wtf? |
| 21:20.43 | riot | helix: was that a bot? |
| 21:20.43 | vara` | thingfish: default kernel |
| 21:20.43 | mhall | !zoosmite Jean_Master |
| 21:20.43 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, Jean_Master loves the zoo! |
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| 21:20.46 | ace_chea | hey |
| 21:20.47 | ace_chea | anyonme know anything about gtkrc file ????? |
| 21:20.50 | helix | riot: does it matter? |
| 21:20.54 | riot | mhall: thats what i meant :) |
| 21:20.55 | vara` | i have till now, only pressed enter |
| 21:20.59 | riot | helix: nothing. |
| 21:21.11 | thingfish | vara`: you might try again, only this time try linux26 at the prompt. |
| 21:21.11 | helix | riot: please don't randomly curse for no apparent reason |
| 21:21.13 | paulswm | mhall: That zoosmite is funny, heh |
| 21:21.18 | mhall | paulswm: :-) |
| 21:21.25 | vara` | blondie: dmesg: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0 |
| 21:21.28 | dererk | Well, who is near the 24 hour? :D~ |
| 21:21.29 | riot | helix: ok, i'll let dpkg do that from now on |
| 21:21.32 | riot | ya right |
| 21:21.36 | eeyore- | helix: jean_master was flooding, howevere, that's no excuse for cursing for no good reason |
| 21:21.39 | paulswm | mhall: I think you missed kinglsey earlier |
| 21:21.44 | mhall | paulswm: :-( |
| 21:21.45 | helix | eeyore-: yes... I saw the flooding |
| 21:21.49 | mhall | i've gotta go |
| 21:21.50 | paulswm | mhall: I know he's your buddy :P |
| 21:21.51 | ace_chea | anyone :( |
| 21:21.55 | mhall | happy holidays |
| 21:21.58 | mhall | paulswm: oh boy is he ever |
| 21:22.00 | streuner | helix: then do something against it |
| 21:22.03 | helix | eeyore-: but there's a persistent problem with the denizens of #debian cursing at trolls (or bots in tis case) |
| 21:22.04 | paulswm | HAHAHA |
| 21:22.11 | mhall | paulswm: if i ever go to prison i hope he's there to comfort me |
| 21:22.12 | helix | streuner: uh, jean_master is gone |
| 21:22.15 | eeyore- | helix: makes them feel cool :-) |
| 21:22.18 | helix | if you'd been paying attention you'd know that |
| 21:22.31 | streuner | helix: s(he) surely comes back... |
| 21:22.32 | vara` | thingfish: could not find kernel image |
| 21:22.34 | eeyore- | vara`: anyway, what kind of IDE controller is this? |
| 21:22.38 | helix | streuner: no, not surely |
| 21:22.49 | kspath | Jean_Master: I banish thee to the depths! Get thee hence! |
| 21:22.53 | vara` | eeyore-: normal ide hdd, its a seagate 80gb |
| 21:22.53 | blondie | vara`: what version of debian are you using? |
| 21:23.00 | vara` | blondie: testing |
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| 21:23.14 | thingfish | ah |
| 21:23.16 | eeyore- | vara`: i didn't ask if you had a normal ide HDD. i asked what kind of IDE controller this is. |
| 21:23.23 | vara` | they recomend me testing if i was going to switch from gentoo to deb |
| 21:23.24 | absolutzero | Question: Exim4 does not need sandmail correct? |
| 21:23.27 | eeyore- | vara`: i can't help you if you insist on being vague |
| 21:23.27 | vara` | soz, primary ide hdd |
| 21:23.33 | riot | helix: i'm pretty much drunk, so just excuse this, erm, incident |
| 21:23.59 | vara` | eeyore-: primary ide hdd |
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| 21:24.17 | paulswm | Latitude and forgiveness should abound on Christmas eve :) |
| 21:24.24 | riot | hehe |
| 21:24.29 | thingfish | I would get drunk, if I didn't have to make christmas cookies. |
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| 21:24.38 | thingfish | I still may. |
| 21:24.42 | eeyore- | vara`: no, that's the wrong answer. "primary ide hdd" is how you have set the jumper on your hard drive |
| 21:24.42 | dererk | lol |
| 21:24.47 | riot | oh, thingfish, just put some alcohol in the dough :) |
| 21:24.47 | tomasherout | please, use somebody graphics card nVidia with module "nv" builded by module-assistant on Sarge? I've trouble with it :-( |
| 21:24.55 | thingfish | hehe riot |
| 21:24.57 | eeyore- | vara`: the "controller" is something like "integrated intel ICH motherboard IDE controller" or some such |
| 21:24.59 | paulswm | !beer thingfish |
| 21:25.00 | nkuttler | absolutzero: right |
| 21:25.14 | riot | wth piraat? never drunk that one |
| 21:25.18 | amee2k_rdwr | where can I find 2.6 kernel for debian 3.1? |
| 21:25.34 | blondie | amee2k_rdwr: apt-cache search |
| 21:25.35 | vara` | eeyore-: where can i look which controller do i have? |
| 21:25.36 | thingfish | yeah I haven't tried that one either. |
| 21:25.39 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.42 | dererk | Merry Xmas eve! ?=¬) |
| 21:25.45 | eeyore- | vara`: look at the manual that comes with your motherboard |
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| 21:25.55 | vara` | ok wait |
| 21:26.00 | tomasherout | amee2k_rdwr, in Debian repositories :-) |
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| 21:26.06 | nkuttler | amee2k_rdwr: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 21:26.06 | blondie | bucky: kernel-image in stable |
| 21:26.18 | bucky | oh.. he did say 3.1 |
| 21:26.29 | Eleks | Here there are people from Russia? |
| 21:26.39 | streuner | !ru |
| 21:26.40 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 21:26.45 | blondie | where's Russia? |
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| 21:27.07 | amee2k_rdwr | thx |
| 21:27.10 | eeyore- | dang, this opteron SFF is freaking loud! it's like a jet plane taking off. the fans are more suitable for rackmount units out-of-the-way, not sff that's gonna be on your desk! |
| 21:27.11 | __filip_ | Hello, when i try to play an mp3 in xmms i get this message: Please check that: Your soundcard is configured properly. You have the correct outplug plugin selected. No other program is blocking the soundcard. I am running Debian testing. |
| 21:27.28 | eeyore- | (it's the iwill zmax dp sff opteron box, loud!) |
| 21:27.30 | streuner | __filip_: /msg dpkg sound |
| 21:27.34 | absolutzero | well if that is the case why is debian trying to remove exim4? |
| 21:28.04 | __filip_ | Streuner: What? |
| 21:28.06 | bucky | absolutzero: because you're trying to install another MTA ? |
| 21:28.20 | streuner | __filip_: /message the bot and read the factoid |
| 21:28.40 | streuner | __filip_: and tell us what kernel you use (cat /proc/version) |
| 21:28.41 | absolutzero | I have exim4 installed... exim4 does not need the sendmail MTA, exim4 is a stand alone correct? |
| 21:29.04 | nkuttler | absolutzero: what are you doing? |
| 21:29.24 | __filip_ | streuner: Linux version 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 21:29.33 | paulswm | eeyore-: I'm running a 92mm Vantec Tornado on one of my CPUs, so I have no sympathy, my home office sounds like a jet engine test facility :) |
| 21:29.36 | streuner | __filip_: we need the whole output |
| 21:29.37 | eeyore- | __filip_: sound card? |
| 21:29.49 | absolutzero | trying to get exim to finction correctly |
| 21:29.57 | __filip_ | streuner: Linux version 2.6.12-1-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 4.0.2 20050917 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-8)) #1 Tue Sep 27 12:41:08 JST 2005 |
| 21:29.57 | absolutzero | I have been through nine tutorials |
| 21:30.03 | absolutzero | and 500 man pages... |
| 21:30.06 | absolutzero | gonna go blind |
| 21:30.12 | eeyore- | paulswm: heh heh .. it's scary how much noise passes for "normal" these days, with CPU's reaching 2/3/4GHz |
| 21:30.15 | nkuttler | absolutzero: no. what did you do that wants to remove exim? |
| 21:30.24 | streuner | __filip_: did you run 'alsaconf' ? |
| 21:30.25 | absolutzero | I did nor let it |
| 21:30.34 | eeyore- | paulswm: wonder if liquid cooling is gonna be the answer ... |
| 21:30.43 | __filip_ | streuner: No |
| 21:31.04 | absolutzero | mainly exim will not send or reciev mail and as far as I can tell i have configeed exim correctly |
| 21:31.07 | streuner | __filip_: adduser <user> audio, and log out and back in first |
| 21:31.20 | vara` | eeyore-: my mb is an asus a7v kt-133 , im looking for the ide controller right now |
| 21:31.29 | streuner | __filip_: apt-get install alsa-utils, if needed |
| 21:31.38 | absolutzero | from trailing the main log |
| 21:31.44 | absolutzero | T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any hostT=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 21:31.56 | __filip_ | streuner: Should i paste this in an terminal then log off and log in ? |
| 21:31.59 | __filip_ | adduser <user> audio |
| 21:32.18 | absolutzero | and alos cannot lookup hostname for 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:32.22 | streuner | __filip_: adduser filip audio |
| 21:32.41 | __filip_ | streuner: I am alredy an member of audio |
| 21:32.48 | streuner | __filip_: as 'root' in a terminal (aterm, xterm or whatever) |
| 21:32.49 | streuner | ok |
| 21:32.50 | eeyore- | vara`: OK got it, don't worry. i think i have that one too. it's the onboard via ide controller |
| 21:33.03 | streuner | __filip_: just run 'alsaconf' now |
| 21:33.08 | eeyore- | vara`: or, are you using the UDMA100 controller? there are two sets of controllers on that motherboard |
| 21:33.15 | paulswm | eeyore-: Another liquid solution is just to drink whisky until the noise goes away :P |
| 21:33.28 | __filip_ | streuner: Okej |
| 21:33.36 | puff | Hm, anybody know of a quick way to check a file tree for any files larger than 2GB? |
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| 21:33.39 | vara` | eeyore-: i just discovered that, i disabled the udma100 controller on the bios i think, wait |
| 21:33.48 | __filip_ | streuner: bash: alsaconf: command not found |
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| 21:33.56 | streuner | __filip_: apt-get install alsa-utils, if needed |
| 21:33.58 | skel_home | anyone have any ideas on where I can find a good single enclosure for about 4 standard AT boards and some powersupplies? |
| 21:34.00 | bbrazil | puff: find -size +2G or something |
| 21:34.01 | skel_home | are there any pre-fabricated deals like that out there? |
| 21:34.12 | skel_home | I'm trying to make a mini debian cluster |
| 21:34.15 | __filip_ | streuner: Okej |
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| 21:34.37 | paulswm | puff: find <filetree> -size +2G # if I have the syntax right, it's close anyway |
| 21:34.41 | eeyore- | vara`: when you install debian, did you pick the default 2.4 kernel? you might have better luck with the 2.6 kernel. in any event, i know that linux fully supports either the via or the udma100 (promise) controllers |
| 21:35.03 | eeyore- | vara`: so, if you want to try and see if you get lucky, boot the install cd with "linux26" kernel |
| 21:35.08 | puff | Hm, doens't like the G. |
| 21:35.09 | absolutzero | I am gonna purge exim and start again |
| 21:35.16 | alvanson | eeyore-, I have both running in 2.6 |
| 21:35.29 | paulswm | puff: It should, check in man find |
| 21:35.32 | __filip_ | streuner: It found 2 cards, how does i know who i am gonna choose? |
| 21:35.32 | eeyore- | alvanson: right |
| 21:35.34 | alvanson | eeyore-, and Debian's 2.4.27 kernel seems to support them quite well |
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| 21:35.52 | streuner | __filip_: just disable the onboard-chip in BIOS |
| 21:35.53 | eeyore- | alvanson: it's odd then that his installer doesn't see any hard drive |
| 21:35.53 | bbrazil | puff: try G rather than g |
| 21:35.56 | administrador | xD |
| 21:36.15 | omry_ | bbrazil, paulswm, hacked myself a little php file browser. not too many processes in /proc. |
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| 21:36.19 | __filip_ | streuner: Works perfect =) |
| 21:36.34 | paulswm | puff: if not, then use '2147483648' istead of '2G' :P |
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| 21:37.08 | puff | paulswm: Yeah, that's what I ended up doing :-). |
| 21:37.11 | bbrazil | puff: I suspect G was only added in version 4.2, try 2048M |
| 21:37.15 | puff | man page says k will work, doens't list g. |
| 21:37.20 | paulswm | omry_: how much free swap, free memory, and can you do a df and check for FS free space |
| 21:37.26 | __filip_ | Streuner: Bahh, it was only working in totem, not in xmms or rhythembox. |
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| 21:37.59 | omry_ | paulswm, I can't run proceses. but I checked free space. I got 3gb. memory also looks ok |
| 21:38.07 | streuner | __filip_: check the configuration of xmms then, (ALSA-output-plugin) |
| 21:38.16 | vara` | eeyore-: im using udma100 controller, but when i type linux26 it says cant find image |
| 21:38.30 | vara` | eeyore-: i think thats because im installing debian testing |
| 21:38.37 | omry_ | paulswm, cant look into logs thuogh. my apache has no access. |
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| 21:38.47 | puff | in rsync, do I need "rsync /foo /bar/foo", or just "rsync /foo /bar" |
| 21:38.51 | paulswm | omry_: crap, I was just going to suggest that |
| 21:39.08 | omry_ | wonder if I can somehow have php get root access (given that I got the password) |
| 21:39.20 | paulswm | puff: man rsync will tell you |
| 21:39.22 | puff | That is, if I'm sync'ing drivea:/foo with driveb:/bar/foo |
| 21:39.23 | eeyore- | vara`: you might have to load the "promise" module, first. just a guess. |
| 21:39.24 | __filip_ | Where does i change that? |
| 21:39.25 | bbrazil | omry_: expect combined with su? |
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| 21:39.42 | omry_ | bbrazil, no processes. all from php code. |
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| 21:39.49 | vara` | eeyore-: how can i load it? |
| 21:40.08 | eeyore- | vara`: in the installer, there should be a menu item for loading additional device driver modules |
| 21:40.11 | tomasherout | tosus, welcome :o) |
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| 21:40.21 | bbrazil | omry_: I very much doubt it then - you running suexec/suphp by any chance - in particular if such a user was in the 'adm' group |
| 21:40.24 | streuner | __filip_: click the right mouse-button at the right side of xmms and choose 'Preferences' |
| 21:40.30 | azz | hi |
| 21:40.38 | blondie | omry_: I don't think so -- you'd need to supply the su password interactively |
| 21:40.40 | __filip_ | streuner: Okej |
| 21:40.42 | azz | i was try to increase 'ulimit -n' to 5000 |
| 21:40.53 | azz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.02 | azz | root nofile hard 50000 |
| 21:41.03 | streuner | __filip_: do you running 'ESD |
| 21:41.06 | azz | root nofile soft 50000 |
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| 21:41.20 | azz | and this /usr/include/bits/typesize.h #define __FD_SETSIZE 1024 - to 5000 |
| 21:41.22 | puff | paulswm: Oddly enough, man rsync is ambiguous, which is why I asked here. |
| 21:41.30 | azz | i reboot it but dont work |
| 21:41.33 | azz | :( |
| 21:41.43 | vara` | eeyore-: i just switched to normal ide(not UDMA100) but it still gives me the same error |
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| 21:41.55 | bbrazil | azz: there's a setting in /proc too - no_files or similar |
| 21:42.11 | eeyore- | vara`: really? what's in /proc/ide |
| 21:42.22 | __filip_ | streuner: Dont know, and i dont now what i should do in prefernces in xmms. |
| 21:42.35 | bbrazil | azz: also why does one process need 50k files open? |
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| 21:42.58 | bbrazil | azz: sys/fs/file-max |
| 21:42.59 | streuner | __filip_: ok, do you see an entry (esd) with 'ps aux | grep -i esd' ? |
| 21:43.03 | puff | paulswm: The key point is, if /bar/foo already exists and was rsynced in the past, do I trim the "foo" of the destination path in eecuting hte command.... I suspet the answer is yes. |
| 21:43.12 | omry_ | blondie, no su (can't start it). but maybe there is a system call that php supports than can do it |
| 21:43.20 | eeyore- | vara`: are you absolutely sure you set the drive's jumper to "master" position? |
| 21:43.29 | bbrazil | omry_: su depends on the SUID bit |
| 21:43.34 | __filip_ | streuner: root 18381 0.0 0.2 1952 760 pts/0 S+ 13:43 0:00 grep -i esd |
| 21:43.54 | blondie | omry_: if that were the case, php would be rather insecure |
| 21:44.05 | streuner | __filip_: ok, just change the preferences in xmms then |
| 21:44.07 | tosus | èau .. |
| 21:44.17 | tomasherout | tosus, hi |
| 21:44.18 | omry_ | blondie, indeed :) |
| 21:44.32 | tosus | <tomasherout> mno a fasèí |
| 21:44.37 | streuner | __filip_: did you disable the onboard-chip in BIOS? |
| 21:44.38 | paulswm | puff: The examples in "USAGE" tell you. rsync /foo /bar will create /bar/foo , rsync /foo/ /bar/foo will do the same thing |
| 21:44.46 | blondie | tosus: speaken see engleesh? |
| 21:44.53 | tomasherout | tosus, write without diacritics, thx |
| 21:45.05 | vara` | eeyore-: lol, its in /proc/ide |
| 21:45.07 | __filip_ | streuner: Dont know how to do it. |
| 21:45.07 | tosus | <tomasherout> ok |
| 21:45.18 | streuner | __filip_: in BIOS |
| 21:45.19 | eeyore- | vara`: cat /proc/ide/hda/model |
| 21:45.29 | vara` | eeyore-: i was looking for it in /dev/hda , but its in /proc/ide |
| 21:45.33 | streuner | __filip_: reboot the box and go into BIOS |
| 21:45.39 | tomasherout | blondie, Do you know, where is Czech Republic? :-D |
| 21:45.41 | eeyore- | vara`: no! /dev/hda is the correct device node |
| 21:45.44 | __filip_ | Yes and then? |
| 21:45.54 | azz | bbrazil, u mean /proc/sys/fs/file-max? |
| 21:45.55 | blondie | tomasherout: uhuh |
| 21:45.59 | eeyore- | vara`: let's do this one step at a time |
| 21:46.02 | omry_ | bbrazil, blondie, I`ll try to do something with proc_open, which supposingly starts a process. |
| 21:46.03 | streuner | disable the onboard-chip (soundcard)? |
| 21:46.24 | __filip_ | streuner: You meen the other soundcard? |
| 21:46.25 | vara` | eeyore- st380011a |
| 21:46.25 | tosus | <tomasherout> delas ted neco u me ? |
| 21:46.28 | paulswm | puff: you can always test it out on a small directory, only take a few seconds :) |
| 21:46.30 | omry_ | or just exec. |
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| 21:46.37 | blondie | tosus: this is an english speaking channel |
| 21:46.38 | streuner | __filip_: yep |
| 21:46.40 | eeyore- | vara`: what does "fdisk -l /dev/hda" output? |
| 21:46.42 | abrotman | tosus: tomasherout: take it elsewhere |
| 21:46.49 | tomasherout | blondie, It's elsewhere :-) |
| 21:46.53 | __filip_ | streuner: Okej i thing i get it. |
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| 21:46.58 | puff | paulswm: Ah, I need the trailing / on the src dir to get that behavior. Okay, that must be what went wrong. |
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| 21:47.09 | vara` | eeyore-: unable to open /dev/hda |
| 21:47.10 | blondie | omry_: but how will you enter the root password? |
| 21:47.13 | blondie | ffs |
| 21:47.16 | blondie | MastaP: get out |
| 21:47.21 | abrotman | !ops MastaP spamming |
| 21:47.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: MastaP spamming |
| 21:47.22 | paulswm | puff: Yes, that is easy to miss at first, and annoying when you realize :) |
| 21:47.24 | eeyore- | vara`: oh really? :-) |
| 21:47.43 | omry_ | blondie, I think I wont even get that far. it should fail when it start a process. |
| 21:47.45 | omry_ | let me see |
| 21:47.47 | vara` | eeyore- it outputs nothing |
| 21:47.57 | eeyore- | vara`: maybe something is screwed up in your installer :-) i think you should either go to standard (stable) debian, or sid. |
| 21:48.03 | vara` | without the -l it outputs unable to open |
| 21:48.08 | puff | paulswm: live and learn... |
| 21:48.09 | eeyore- | vara`: i'm gonna drop out now, because you *shouldn't* be having this problem. |
| 21:48.11 | bbrazil | blondie, omry_ : if 2 processes can be started using 'expect' a password could be intered |
| 21:48.16 | vara` | ook |
| 21:48.17 | tomasherout | tosus, don't speak in czech, perhaps it's problem for they :-) |
| 21:48.18 | vara` | uhm |
| 21:48.29 | vara` | eeyore- can i do an fdisk /proc/hda ? |
| 21:48.30 | bbrazil | this depends on expect being installed though |
| 21:48.34 | vara` | i think i cant |
| 21:48.35 | eeyore- | vara`: no |
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| 21:48.42 | abrotman | does the bios see it ? |
| 21:48.45 | abrotman | does dmesg see it ? |
| 21:48.58 | vara` | eeyore- so how can i make my hda to appear in /dev/ ? |
| 21:48.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: vara's problem? |
| 21:49.00 | tosus | <tomasherout> ok .. you going eny me pc ?? |
| 21:49.02 | puff | Hm, odd... tried to "rm -rf /media/LACIE/bar/foo/foo" |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: yeah |
| 21:49.11 | blondie | tosus: try the /query command |
| 21:49.14 | puff | and it kicks out a stream of "Read-only file system" errors. |
| 21:49.17 | eeyore- | vara`: that's what i'm saying. it's probably something your "testing" debian installer forgot to do |
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| 21:49.28 | vara` | :/ |
| 21:49.31 | eeyore- | vara`: you could mknod it, but then why? what if there are still further problems with the installer? |
| 21:49.38 | puff | It's like something kicks it into read-only mode. |
| 21:49.41 | eeyore- | vara`: i would just install stable, then upgrade to testing, if you want |
| 21:49.41 | absolutzero | anyone else here running SMTP? |
| 21:49.53 | blondie | absolutzero: uhuh |
| 21:49.56 | eeyore- | vara`: rather than pulling your hairs out trying to install testing in one go |
| 21:49.59 | vara` | eeyore- can i do that? lol, they told me to download testing directly |
| 21:50.02 | blondie | bad anapivirtua |
| 21:50.10 | tosus | <tomasherout> .. this packet or eny help have you ? |
| 21:50.13 | duckdown | Hey all.. I just installed Debian on my new laptop, and I'd like some neat games to show off on it.. So far I only have Frozen-Bubble and Metal Blob Solid.. Can you guys tell me some more good ones? And are there any good websites with lots of games? |
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| 21:50.25 | lexemail | hi |
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| 21:50.33 | galois | duckdown: tuxracer |
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| 21:50.44 | omry_ | bbrazil, as expected. it wont open a process. |
| 21:50.53 | duckdown | Cool i'll try it thanks :) |
| 21:50.54 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm pretty sure kernel sees it (it's in /proc/ide/hda/ and all) just no device nodes in /dev |
| 21:50.55 | vara` | eeyore-: thanks a lot |
| 21:51.09 | chorse | duckdown: wesnoth! |
| 21:51.09 | tarzeau | duckdown: jumpnbump pathogen nethack http://bub-n-bros.sf.net http://www.mtp-target.org supertux supertransball2 mazeofgalious |
| 21:51.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: MAKEDEV ? |
| 21:51.13 | absolutzero | what serverware are you using? |
| 21:51.21 | eeyore- | abrotman: right, but there probably will be other problems :-) |
| 21:51.23 | absolutzero | cuz at every turn exim is bunking out |
| 21:51.31 | eeyore- | abrotman: it's the "testing" installer |
| 21:51.39 | bbrazil | omry_: can you exec? |
| 21:51.40 | duckdown | chorse great ill try it :D |
| 21:51.44 | abrotman | why is vara` using tha tinstead of sarge;s? |
| 21:51.50 | tarzeau | duckdown: dopewars xbill freeciv |
| 21:51.50 | duckdown | tarzeau Sweet man |
| 21:51.57 | omry_ | bbrazil, thats exactly what I am tryng now :) |
| 21:51.59 | omry_ | from bash first. |
| 21:52.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: ask him :-) |
| 21:52.01 | duckdown | woooo :D |
| 21:52.06 | tarzeau | duckdown: gtetrinet and the ones freely available for scummvm |
| 21:52.10 | abrotman | vara`: why are you using the etch installer ? |
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| 21:52.12 | omry_ | bbrazil, bash seem to be able to exec itself. |
| 21:52.28 | duckdown | thanks tarzeau :D |
| 21:52.33 | bbrazil | omry_: then try exec su |
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| 21:52.49 | blondie | bbrazil: it's non interactive though... |
| 21:52.53 | vara` | ppl in quakenet debian's chan tolde, sid is too inestable and will give you a lot of problems, if u are a gentoo user, use testing, i said: i downloaded stable, can i upgrade to testing, they said, no, upgrading and un-upgrading is too hard, download testing directly ... |
| 21:53.00 | omry_ | poof. closes the console. |
| 21:53.03 | omry_ | guess it doesn't work |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | vara`: they lied |
| 21:53.12 | bbrazil | blondie: he also has an interactive bash process, it just kills anything bhe runs |
| 21:53.15 | paulswm | !tell anapivirtua about away |
| 21:53.17 | vara` | yeah, i just realized |
| 21:53.21 | abrotman | vara`: that's one of the great strengths of debian |
| 21:53.23 | chorse | duckdown: yeah, see wesnoth.org for screenshots etc |
| 21:53.23 | vara` | im burning stable to a cd |
| 21:53.41 | streuner | vara`: stop it |
| 21:53.42 | blondie | bbrazil: sure, but how could he run anything with su from exec? :) |
| 21:53.50 | blondie | omry_: you tried csh or sh instead of bash? |
| 21:53.54 | streuner | vara`: there is a testing netinstall CD avaiable |
| 21:53.58 | omry_ | blondie, yes. sh started. |
| 21:54.05 | omry_ | but nothing works justl ike from bash |
| 21:54.06 | abrotman | streuner: no shit .. keep up . it's broken |
| 21:54.09 | blondie | k |
| 21:54.09 | bbrazil | blondie: he could exec the bash he got from su to any other single command |
| 21:54.27 | omry_ | he could, but he cant |
| 21:54.29 | vara` | already burning |
| 21:54.29 | omry_ | next idea :) |
| 21:54.31 | streuner | vara`: you heart what abrotman told us... |
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| 21:54.36 | eeyore- | vara`: one thing is true, though. you can't downgrade once you upgrade. |
| 21:54.41 | blondie | bbrazil: is this from PHP? |
| 21:54.47 | eeyore- | vara`: so think carefully :-) if you're newbie, don't go to testing. |
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| 21:54.54 | omry_ | blondie, exec is from bash. |
| 21:54.57 | bbrazil | blondie: no, vnc connection iirc |
| 21:55.00 | omi | What launches inittab? |
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| 21:55.02 | blondie | ok |
| 21:55.03 | tomasherout | QUERY tosus Are you there? |
| 21:55.03 | absolutzero | how abiut just exim, and not exim4? |
| 21:55.04 | omry_ | php 'exec' command doesn't work. |
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| 21:55.10 | bbrazil | omi: init (kinda) |
| 21:55.12 | paulswm | I agree with eeyore- , get stable up and running OK first, then upgrade to testing later |
| 21:55.22 | vara` | eeyore-: im asking cause i didnt had this kind of problem before ;) |
| 21:55.25 | omi | I thought so, but it doesn't!! |
| 21:55.30 | streuner | abrotman: what's broken, i downloaded it and the menu is just fine? |
| 21:55.37 | bbrazil | omi: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:55.38 | abrotman | streuner: it doesn't see his HDD |
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| 21:55.45 | streuner | oh |
| 21:55.46 | vara` | anyways if i install stable, can i install the testing packages i want? |
| 21:55.55 | blondie | omry_: do ANY programs work from bash? |
| 21:55.55 | paulswm | vara`: As far as I can see, *nobody* has had that kind of problem :) |
| 21:55.56 | vara` | or do i have to upgrade everything to testing? |
| 21:56.10 | abrotman | vara`: it's better not to mix |
| 21:56.11 | bbrazil | vara`: you can mix and match, its not advised though |
| 21:56.17 | omry_ | blondie, sh :) |
| 21:56.20 | omry_ | sucks, ah? |
| 21:56.33 | eeyore- | omry: what is this you're doing? |
| 21:56.34 | paulswm | vara`: Best is get stable up and running, then change sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, then you are upgraded to testing |
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| 21:56.41 | omi | bbrazil, I have bootstrapped sarge system onto a filesystem and trying to boot it under XEN, services start up fine , but never gets to the console login |
| 21:56.50 | blondie | hmm |
| 21:57.02 | debiankid | about inetd.conf |
| 21:57.14 | omry_ | eeyore-, my system gone mad. wont start any procsses. I want to reboot it. no physical access. |
| 21:57.18 | bbrazil | omi: only thing I can suggest is passing init=/bin/bash to linux |
| 21:57.30 | abrotman | omry_: it's at a colo place ? |
| 21:57.42 | omry_ | abrotman, colo place? |
| 21:57.46 | abrotman | !colo |
| 21:57.48 | abrotman | damn bot |
| 21:57.54 | abrotman | omry_: where you host your machine |
| 21:57.55 | tarzeau | !cola |
| 21:57.55 | dpkg | it has been said that cola is comp.os.linux.advocacy, so much stupidity collected in one place you'd expect it to implode. |
| 21:57.58 | eeyore- | omry: well, not much you can do now. if it's doing that it's probably stuck in kscand or something |
| 21:57.58 | blondie | your machine housed elsewhere |
| 21:58.10 | blondie | basically, where is it? :) |
| 21:58.10 | eeyore- | omry: next time, set your resource limits :-) /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 21:58.17 | omry_ | abrotman, at home. but I am not there. |
| 21:58.21 | paulswm | Heh, what a 'cola' factoid, sounds like mwilson |
| 21:58.25 | omi | ok, I'll try to see if xen doesn't like console :D |
| 21:58.27 | omry_ | eeyore-, you bet I will. |
| 21:58.32 | tarzeau | !factinfo cola |
| 21:58.32 | dpkg | cola -- created by mwilson <foobar@ip68-111-152-32.sd.sd.cox.net> at Wed Dec 29 06:38:12 2004 (360 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by jlj at Sat Nov 12 13:03:41 2005. |
| 21:58.38 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 21:58.41 | bbrazil | omi: sshd might be working |
| 21:58.41 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 21:58.42 | paulswm | !win me |
| 21:58.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:58.51 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:58.53 | omry_ | lol |
| 21:58.59 | eeyore- | omry: there's not much you can do now, really. if the kernel is busy it's busy and nothing you do can convince it to become un-busy :-) |
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| 21:59.08 | r3m | merry christmas |
| 21:59.12 | eeyore- | omry: go bug someone to hit the reset button |
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| 21:59.19 | omry_ | eeyore-, I dunno what the problem is yet. |
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| 21:59.26 | omi | bbrazil, there's a networking setup that needs to be done from within the image... |
| 21:59.32 | eeyore- | omry: does top run? |
| 21:59.39 | omry_ | eeyore-, I can run any php code on it. |
| 21:59.41 | omry_ | any ideas? |
| 21:59.42 | omry_ | :) |
| 21:59.46 | omry_ | no, top wont start |
| 22:00.00 | blondie | will ps? |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | omry_: is it hosted somehwere? .. call them .. have them flip the switch |
| 22:00.23 | omry_ | no process will. except bash (which outputs some funky errors), and sh. |
| 22:00.26 | bbrazil | omry_: can you exec /sbin/sln ? |
| 22:00.37 | omry_ | abrotman, I host it at home. no one is there. |
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| 22:00.45 | eeyore- | omry: of all the times i've seen a linux box does this it's always the out-of-memory situation (e.g., somebody forgot and ask for lots and lots of memory) |
| 22:00.46 | bbrazil | omry_: actually forget that, isn't in debian |
| 22:01.00 | abrotman | omry_: call the police .. tell them it's an emergency |
| 22:01.04 | bbrazil | eeyore-: we've looked at meminfo - 3MB free real, 400MB free swap |
| 22:01.08 | variable2 | how can you set the dns server in debian, like netconfig in redhat> |
| 22:01.08 | vara` | omry : does your neighbour has your home keys? |
| 22:01.08 | variable2 | ? |
| 22:01.09 | omry_ | worse case I`ll kick the fucker tommorow morning. |
| 22:01.12 | omi | bbrazil, I think my issue is /dev setup funny by debootstrap! |
| 22:01.25 | eeyore- | bbrazil: i should clarify. it's triggering the kernel's kscand |
| 22:01.40 | omi | /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 22:01.47 | omry_ | abrotman, yeah! "Hello, this is the police? I forgot my electice oven turned on! it will burn the house! you MUST turn off the electricity, and then turn it back on. thanks. |
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| 22:01.58 | bbrazil | eeyore-: ah, I see what you mean. OOM should kick in though |
| 22:02.00 | eeyore- | bbrazil: and if you manage to get "top" running, you should see that kscand is sucking up most of the CPU |
| 22:02.02 | abrotman | omry_: sounds about right :) |
| 22:02.06 | omry_ | :) |
| 22:02.13 | omi | variable2, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:02.14 | paulswm | heh omry_ perfect |
| 22:02.19 | eeyore- | omry: can you ssh to the box as root? root processes should always start |
| 22:02.20 | tarzeau | !OOM |
| 22:02.20 | dpkg | what a woc says. Out Of Memory |
| 22:02.44 | eeyore- | omry: so, if you can ssh to the box directly as root (instead of as regular user and su, since you will never get a shell as a regular user), then do so |
| 22:02.45 | beginer | i install php4, mysql, php4-mysql, but php won't work with mysql... what i need to do? |
| 22:02.50 | omry_ | eeyore-, funny. I turned off root ssh access two weeks ago :) |
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| 22:03.03 | eeyore- | omry: well then. not much *else* can go wrong, can it? |
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| 22:03.17 | omry_ | its the smart thing you do that fuck you up. |
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| 22:03.23 | Qerub | Can I check the monitor refresh rate somewhere in X? |
| 22:03.32 | tarzeau | omry_: no telnetd running? |
| 22:03.39 | tarzeau | Qerub: xvidsel |
| 22:03.51 | omry_ | tarzeau, nope. |
| 22:03.51 | tarzeau | Qerub: err xvidtune |
| 22:04.03 | omry_ | inetd is running. |
| 22:04.04 | *** join/#debian miroslavnavratil (n=miroslav@ip-85-160-84-1.eurotel.cz) |
| 22:04.09 | omry_ | but it cant start anything. |
| 22:04.25 | Qerub | tarzeau: cheers! forgot about that. |
| 22:04.28 | beginer | anyone can help me? |
| 22:04.28 | omry_ | apache is running, as www-data. |
| 22:04.28 | paulswm | Qerub: or just hit the settings button on your monitor if you have one, it will tell you :) |
| 22:04.34 | blondie | hmm, how can bash/sh start when nothing else can? |
| 22:04.39 | miroslavnavratil | je tu nekde tom herout? |
| 22:04.41 | Qerub | paulswm: me and my monitor don't get along :-) |
| 22:04.43 | dvs | !fr |
| 22:04.43 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 22:05.02 | Qerub | paulswm: and i rather not take my hands off the keyboard :P |
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| 22:05.12 | nesys | hi folks |
| 22:05.32 | nesys | I've to use php with --enable-soap |
| 22:05.49 | paulswm | Qerub: OK, I won't even ask why :P |
| 22:05.54 | eeyore- | omry: i honestly don't see a way out :-) i've just out of curiosity wait for the kernel to stop when it's in this sort of situation, and i've waited a day or two and it's still not back. |
| 22:05.54 | omry_ | damn. I give up. at least the smtp and http servers are still working. |
| 22:05.55 | beginer | how can i make php to work with mysql? |
| 22:06.21 | Qerub | paulswm: i work in a company where they chain or hands. |
| 22:06.23 | Qerub | our* |
| 22:06.25 | nesys | beginer apt-get mysql-server php4 php4-msql |
| 22:06.43 | miroslavnavratil | hledam toma herouta ;-) jsi tu? |
| 22:06.52 | beginer | i install all |
| 22:06.57 | nesys | what could I do to use php with soap? there's a package for soap? |
| 22:07.07 | bbrazil | miroslavnavratil: /join #debian-fr |
| 22:07.08 | thingfish | ooh, what's that, czech? |
| 22:07.16 | nesys | beginer first mysql, then apache, then php and php-mysql module |
| 22:07.18 | tomasherout | miroslavnavratil, yes ... type /QUERY mi nick for "private room" |
| 22:07.20 | blondie | miroslavnavratil: ENGLISH |
| 22:07.21 | thingfish | or is that south slavic something... |
| 22:07.30 | blondie | bbrazil: it'st not french |
| 22:07.31 | blondie | -t |
| 22:07.32 | tomasherout | sorry, /QUERY my_nick |
| 22:07.33 | miroslavnavratil | ok |
| 22:07.52 | dvs | tomasherout: /QUERY mon_nick ;-) |
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| 22:08.50 | paulswm | Qerub: They do that in Sweden? And I thought your country was enlightened :) |
| 22:08.52 | absolutzero | damn damn dman |
| 22:08.54 | absolutzero | 2005-12-24 11:23:12 no host name found for IP address 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:08.59 | beginer | nesys: so... i install apache, then mysql-server, then php4, then php4-mysql... what i need to do now? |
| 22:09.15 | absolutzero | why is it trying to look up my router? |
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| 22:09.44 | dvs | absolutzero: /etc/host.conf ? |
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| 22:09.53 | nesys | beginer nothing ... create a test.php file with '<? phpinfo(); ?>' ... and try to connect |
| 22:10.03 | blondie | no |
| 22:10.06 | abrotman | beginer: libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 22:10.10 | blondie | <?php not <? |
| 22:10.11 | beginer | nesys: i's working |
| 22:10.30 | nesys | good |
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| 22:10.43 | beginer | yes... libapache-mod-php4... i install now... tnx... |
| 22:10.46 | paulswm | dammit, I open a case to mess with a memory board, and my cat rushes in and attempts to charge me up with static |
| 22:11.01 | nesys | absolutzero problem with? |
| 22:11.02 | dvs | ha! |
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| 22:11.32 | nesys | someone using nusoap? or something to have soap support (client/server) with php? |
| 22:11.36 | dvs | paulswm: boot the puss! |
| 22:11.41 | *** part/#debian miroslavnavratil (n=miroslav@ip-85-160-84-1.eurotel.cz) |
| 22:11.43 | debiankid | hey im having a trouble setting up webmin |
| 22:11.45 | absolutzero | exim4 |
| 22:11.53 | absolutzero | driving me nuts |
| 22:12.00 | paulswm | dvs: I don't want to piss her off, she knows javascript better than I do :P |
| 22:12.10 | nesys | absolutzero dunno ... qmail here |
| 22:12.14 | Qerub | paulswm: we're too lazy and go on coffee breaks all the time otherwise. |
| 22:12.28 | paulswm | Qerub: Heh, very funny :) |
| 22:12.30 | absolutzero | smtp server? |
| 22:12.43 | Qerub | paulswm: sad but true :( |
| 22:12.53 | ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.55 | debiankid | my browser sayd forbidden why ? |
| 22:12.56 | Qerub | thanks for your help tarzeau and paulswm. |
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| 22:13.06 | tarzeau | !sayd |
| 22:13.06 | dpkg | from memory, sayd is really bad english, you probably mean said |
| 22:13.08 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: 755 |
| 22:13.10 | absolutzero | I got a static IP so Qmail isn't really or me |
| 22:13.11 | beginer | libapache-mod-php4 is already the newest version... |
| 22:13.14 | nesys | absolutzero qmail for pop3s/smtps/smtp ... and dovecot for imaps |
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| 22:13.18 | ThePiratemaster | also execute? |
| 22:13.28 | absolutzero | says it's fro dynamic ips |
| 22:13.33 | petemc | no |
| 22:13.33 | absolutzero | I am static |
| 22:13.40 | ThePiratemaster | bbrazil: why also execute? |
| 22:14.19 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: you can't enter a directory if you don't ahve execute permissions |
| 22:14.23 | absolutzero | no matter what i do, it just keeps doing the same thing |
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| 22:15.08 | petemc | absolutzero: be more specific |
| 22:15.24 | ThePiratemaster | doesnt seem to work |
| 22:15.41 | ThePiratemaster | now that is set to 755 |
| 22:16.01 | absolutzero | 2005-12-24 11:29:15 1EqDCc-0000jQ-Kw => root@thechaos.thebbs.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=thechaos.thebbs.org [24.151.209.215] |
| 22:16.03 | absolutzero | 2005-12-24 11:29:15 1EqDCc-0000jQ-Kw Completed |
| 22:16.04 | absolutzero | 2005-12-24 11:29:20 no host name found for IP address 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:16.04 | absolutzero | 2005-12-24 11:29:22 no host name found for IP address 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:16.04 | absolutzero | 2005-12-24 11:29:22 1EqDCs-0000jd-J3 <= <> H=(localhost.localdomain) [192.168.0.1] P=esmtp S=1218 id=E1EqDCQ-0000jI-IL@localhost.localdomain |
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| 22:16.10 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 22:16.16 | dvs | ahhahhahhahaha |
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| 22:16.42 | ThePiratemaster | http://82.157.27.106/~devcore/public_html ,i get something else when i do this so apache doesnt automaticly put me in there |
| 22:16.45 | absolutzero | my bad |
| 22:16.47 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: apache got execute all the way down? |
| 22:16.50 | absolutzero | just trying to be spoeceifc |
| 22:16.52 | ThePiratemaster | could it be because i have grouphomes on? |
| 22:17.02 | paulswm | !gampsmack absolutzero |
| 22:17.13 | absolutzero | lol |
| 22:17.23 | absolutzero | check out #flood |
| 22:17.27 | ThePiratemaster | bbrazil, how do you mean "got execute all the way down" |
| 22:17.43 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: check all the parent directories's permissions |
| 22:18.08 | ThePiratemaster | devcore home is also set to 755 |
| 22:18.12 | ThePiratemaster | i already did that |
| 22:18.36 | ThePiratemaster | no effect |
| 22:18.41 | absolutzero | okay did that mean anything to anyone? |
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| 22:19.00 | FelisTigre | Yo. I have a question about the libapache2-request-perl and similar modules... |
| 22:19.01 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: is userdir enabled? |
| 22:19.14 | ThePiratemaster | yes |
| 22:19.32 | Tepes^ | i have apache2, php4 and mysql... how make php to work with mysql? |
| 22:19.39 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: did you try with no /public_html/ ? |
| 22:19.41 | FelisTigre | Why are the modules in /usr/lib/perl5/Apache2/Apache instead of just .../perl5/Apache2? |
| 22:19.44 | ThePiratemaster | want me to past that part from apache2.conf in #flood? |
| 22:19.56 | Oryn | Tepes^: apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 22:19.56 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: is there a line 'userdir disable' ? |
| 22:20.13 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: if you take off the public_html .. you get Forbidden |
| 22:20.20 | ThePiratemaster | nope |
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| 22:20.25 | ThePiratemaster | just let me check to be sure |
| 22:20.25 | Oryn | Tepes^: then do apachectl restart |
| 22:20.29 | Tepes^ | Oryn: i install php4-mysql |
| 22:20.47 | absolutzero | wow. all that pasting |
| 22:20.55 | Oryn | Tepes^: did you restart apache? |
| 22:21.17 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: make that 'userdir disabled' |
| 22:21.26 | asuffield | FelisTigre: uhh, they aren't? |
| 22:21.27 | Tepes^ | yes |
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| 22:21.41 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: have you checked the error log? |
| 22:21.42 | Oryn | Tepes^: is php working? |
| 22:21.42 | Tepes^ | phpinfo() works fine... |
| 22:22.10 | dvs | yay! |
| 22:22.15 | asuffield | that's because you're a waste of skin |
| 22:22.21 | Tepes^ | Oryn: yes... but: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in |
| 22:22.23 | ThePiratemaster | no errors |
| 22:22.28 | paulswm | thanks, asuffield :) |
| 22:22.32 | absolutzero | well I am done for the day, will battle exim4 again tommorw...or hack up my computer |
| 22:23.14 | absolutzero | lol |
| 22:23.14 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: what about the access-log ? |
| 22:23.22 | paulswm | dvs: heh |
| 22:23.53 | FelisTigre | asuffield: That's where they installed on my system. |
| 22:23.59 | FelisTigre | Debian-stable. |
| 22:24.12 | paulswm | OK, I'm off to justify the posession and use of my skin |
| 22:24.27 | dvs | paulswm: do last minute shopping! |
| 22:24.27 | FelisTigre | I searched the package content listings online and it's the same. |
| 22:24.30 | Oryn | Tepes^: check /etc/php4/apache/php.ini at the bottom for the line extention=mysql.so |
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| 22:24.34 | paulswm | asuffield: Merry Christmas to you :) |
| 22:25.04 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: I'm in #flood if you want to paste that bit in |
| 22:25.15 | paulswm | dvs: Naah, I need to reorg some hard drives, and I'm on my own tomorrow anyway :) |
| 22:25.22 | dvs | bah |
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| 22:25.28 | dvs | shop for yourself |
| 22:25.29 | Qerub | Hello again. |
| 22:25.46 | Qerub | In X, is it favourable to stick to 100 DPI or use the real DPI? |
| 22:25.53 | ThePiratemaster | bbrazil, tnx for the interest and help. but i figured it out |
| 22:25.56 | paulswm | dvs: I'll be building a dual core Opteron box for my Christmas gift to myself :) |
| 22:26.07 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: what was the problem? |
| 22:26.10 | dvs | paulswm: spoiled brat! ;-) |
| 22:26.12 | ThePiratemaster | there was a wrong config file selected |
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| 22:26.30 | paulswm | dvs: Heh, hardly a brat |
| 22:26.36 | paulswm | !geezersmite dvs |
| 22:26.39 | Mullok | Hi, , good night |
| 22:27.18 | Mullok | somebody can help me |
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| 22:27.23 | ThePiratemaster | mary christmas everyone |
| 22:27.26 | paulswm | dvs: Can't justify it really, but I WANT one :P |
| 22:27.34 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: Merry Christmas :) |
| 22:27.37 | dvs | paulswm: I know what you mean! :-) |
| 22:27.41 | ThePiratemaster | :) |
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| 22:28.35 | BrainDamage | hi people, i have problems with my printer, i can't install it...debian recognize printer, but i can't use printer...when i try to print something, there is no some message, NOTHING...even error message...nothing... |
| 22:28.44 | Tepes^ | Oryn: ok... i remove ; from extention=mysql.so... what's next? |
| 22:28.59 | abrotman | restart apache |
| 22:29.01 | Mullok | I brought up to date the Debian and some keyboard keys nap function |
| 22:29.12 | Oryn | Tepes^: restart apache and your all set |
| 22:29.24 | FelisTigre | Is there a channel dedicated to Debian and Apache issues? |
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| 22:29.34 | Mullok | help me plis |
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| 22:29.43 | Mullok | help me |
| 22:29.44 | dvs | Mullok: You never asked a question |
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| 22:30.28 | Tepes^ | yuuupyyyyy... working... tnx |
| 22:30.42 | paulswm | dvs: My wife has gone to have a redneck Christmas with her family in Kentucky, her brother is already off to a good start: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/rn_christmas.jpg |
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| 22:30.45 | hammerabi | FelisTigre: are the modules in he Apache2 or Apache2::Apache namespace? |
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| 22:30.49 | BrainDamage | can someone help me with my printer problem??? :) |
| 22:30.50 | a1fa | is kernel fixed in sid? |
| 22:30.56 | damien_ | hi all |
| 22:31.07 | hammerabi | BrainDamage: in what sense does Debian identify it? |
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| 22:31.19 | hammerabi | paulswm: haha |
| 22:31.24 | Trigger13 | hi all |
| 22:31.33 | Trigger13 | hm, i've got 1,25Gb of RAM now, but my selfmade kernel only uses 882Mb - the original Debian kernel uses the complete RAM - anyone an idea what i "optimized" accidentially? |
| 22:31.36 | paulswm | hammerabi: Glad you liked it :) |
| 22:31.47 | a1fa | is linux-kernel 2.6.14-2-k7 fixed in sid? |
| 22:31.55 | hammerabi | Trigger13: enable HIGHMEM in the...platform options list, iirc |
| 22:32.04 | Trigger13 | ah, mom |
| 22:32.11 | BrainDamage | hammerabi, well....in the printer list, there is something like "5150 on usb#1" |
| 22:32.26 | hammerabi | BrainDamage: this is with cups? |
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| 22:32.45 | BrainDamage | hammerabi, yes |
| 22:32.49 | asuffield | Trigger13: specifically 'Processor type and features' / 'High memory support' |
| 22:32.55 | asuffield | and pick the 4Gb option |
| 22:33.14 | Trigger13 | yeah, thx guys |
| 22:33.16 | Trigger13 | that's it |
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| 22:33.24 | paulswm | Trigger13: yes, you need to turn on CONFIG_HIGHMEM.. |
| 22:33.36 | Trigger13 | thought i only need it when i have more than 4gb - didn't think a bout the virtual memory... |
| 22:33.44 | damien_ | i have a quick question re: security updates for mozilla-firefox in sarge. Do security updates include all the features of the upstream versions as suggested in DWN of October 11th 05? I looked at the debian-security, devel-devel, and DWN archives and could not find anything that confirms this. |
| 22:33.56 | asuffield | you need that for *less* than 4Gb :P |
| 22:34.01 | abrotman | damien_: it's actually 1.0.7 |
| 22:34.06 | asuffield | 'off' is up to 1Gb |
| 22:34.18 | Trigger13 | asuffield, yeah, i read it now :) |
| 22:34.21 | Trigger13 | thx |
| 22:34.29 | asuffield | (it's slower with it on) |
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| 22:36.09 | paulswm | Trigger13: IIRC the option is for physical memory, not virtual, but I could be wrong, anyway you need it for > 1GB like asuffield said |
| 22:36.10 | hammerabi | damien_: generally, no, they only includes very specific security fixes (ie individual patches rather than new upstream security releases). firefox is an exception because it seems to be impossible to actually get specific security fixes. |
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| 22:37.21 | BrainDamage | hammerabi, is there any possible help???? :(((( |
| 22:37.38 | hammerabi | BrainDamage: I don't know, sorry; maybe the debian-user mailing list can help you. |
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| 22:37.54 | BrainDamage | hammerabi, thanks anyway... :) |
| 22:38.22 | hammerabi | BrainDamage: np, good luck :) |
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| 22:38.44 | BrainDamage | hammerabi, :-))) |
| 22:39.20 | damien_ | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 22:39.40 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:39.44 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 22:40.01 | blondie | rabbits |
| 22:40.02 | eeyore- | so, what cool things can i do in x86_64? |
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| 22:41.18 | hammerabi | install too much ram |
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| 22:45.20 | yuacht | ok, so i wanna mount a USB-harddrive.. how do i do it?=) |
| 22:45.30 | mikeX | I'm having a weird problem with the nvidia non-free driver. I built a module from the 1.0.7174 packages (sarge) for kernel 2.6.14.4 and I can start X just fine , but after I restart the pc, X fails to load with 'Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!'. The module seems to load with no problems though, and I can see it with 'lsmod'. I any case, if I apt-get --purge remove it, and reinstall it, X starts again... |
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| 22:46.11 | dvs | yuacht: Plug it in? Oh... and make sure the sd_mod kernel module is loaded |
| 22:46.20 | pingouin | mikeX: are you running an 64 bit debian version ? |
| 22:46.23 | paulswm | eeyore-: You can plug in a shitload of memory :) |
| 22:46.36 | mikeX | pingouin: no, athlon xp 1800+ here |
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| 22:47.02 | damien_ | hammerabi: I had read the *long* thread on debian security about the whole issue during the summer and any other info I could find on the topic since then. It seemed to suggest that they could not support mozilla-* packages in stable anymore, particularly when Joey Hess says stuff like this: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200507300606. I guss I'm just confused as to the situation! |
| 22:47.03 | eeyore- | paulswm: it's an sff box with only two dimm slots :-) well, it does work fast, that's for sure |
| 22:47.06 | paulswm | rabbits? |
| 22:47.08 | pingouin | mikeX: so..dont waste you're time making module..just use the drivers for linux from nvidia.com and sh nvidia-blahblah.run |
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| 22:47.23 | mikeX | pingouin: I don't want that |
| 22:47.32 | pingouin | mikeX: so..enjoy ;) |
| 22:47.34 | abrotman | damien_: read the DSA that went with FF iirc |
| 22:47.36 | eeyore- | paulswm: we mainly got it just so we could play around with multiple 64-bit linuxes ... seems some customers want to use them for some reason ;-) |
| 22:47.37 | mikeX | :P |
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| 22:48.34 | paulswm | eeyore-: Ah. Here we are on Christmas eve and you are thinking about a WORK box? :P |
| 22:48.44 | dvs | eeyore-: keener! |
| 22:49.14 | eeyore- | paulswm: well, *i* am playing with it for now |
| 22:49.22 | eeyore- | :-> |
| 22:49.26 | paulswm | eeyore-: j/k :) |
| 22:50.30 | paulswm | eeyore-: I need to get a life becuase my wife goes away for Christmas and my first thought is "goody, I can reorg the disks and do some SQL coding" |
| 22:50.40 | nimak2 | pingouin, the drivers from nvidia.com suck |
| 22:50.51 | galois | paulswm: :) |
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| 22:51.31 | paulswm | When I die, I want "connection reset by host" on my headstone |
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| 22:51.37 | pingouin | nimak2: you surely right..but..waiting you produce free drivers that alow me to have OpenGl acceleration hardware on my linux to play DOOM3/UTK4/Q4...i'll use them |
| 22:51.40 | eeyore- | paulswm: we're going to drive the 4x4 trail (ord mountain) on new year's day. do we need a life? :-) |
| 22:51.45 | yuacht | dvs, i've plugged it in and that module is loaded |
| 22:52.10 | eeyore- | paulswm: it's the annual "hangover crawl" :-> |
| 22:52.12 | QUACH | hi im using debian 3.1 and cant mount a new parition /dev/sdb1 of second hard disk to a directory in my system |
| 22:52.15 | dvs | yuacht: So the device should show up in /var/log/messages |
| 22:52.17 | jlmb | Jul 14 02:13:51 rage sshd[47335]: Failed password for root from x.x.x.x port 33396 ssh2. How can I make it show the password used on that login attempt? |
| 22:52.35 | QUACH | it say alway this message mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /var/www/vhosts/cuusinhvien.com/httpdocs/down/sdgdghfkslkhlsgsdfs/hd2 busy |
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| 22:52.59 | nimak2 | pingouin: i just use the non-free ones in debian |
| 22:53.11 | pingouin | nimak2: enjoy |
| 22:53.17 | bbrazil | jlmb: you might be able to grab it through PAM and the 'debug' or 'audit' option |
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| 22:53.20 | nimak2 | :-) |
| 22:53.22 | doub | hi there |
| 22:53.24 | QUACH | umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted |
| 22:53.38 | yuacht | dvs, ok, then what?:P |
| 22:53.40 | bbrazil | jlmb: you'll probably end up coding something though |
| 22:53.45 | jlmb | bbrazil: ok, trying it out. thanks. |
| 22:53.48 | nimak2 | can sata be plug and play? |
| 22:53.54 | dvs | yuacht: mount the drive using that device |
| 22:54.02 | ThePiratemaster | apache still wont work even with the right configfile |
| 22:54.08 | nimak2 | i really dont want to turn off my computer to plug in this drive |
| 22:54.14 | doub | nimak2: are *you* plug and play? ;) |
| 22:54.14 | dvs | yuacht: mount /dev/sdXX /mnt |
| 22:54.18 | ThePiratemaster | http://82.157.27.106/~devcore |
| 22:54.23 | yuacht | dvs, oh thanks, no -t then |
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| 22:54.34 | dvs | yuacht: Yes, I just dont know what it is for you |
| 22:54.36 | doub | nimak2: seriously, what does "plug and play" mean, except marketing bullshit ? |
| 22:54.37 | eeyore- | nimak: your dollar bills (or whatever currency you use) are plug-and-play too :-) |
| 22:54.41 | QUACH | hi im using debian 3.1 and cant mount a new parition /dev/sdb1 of second hard disk to a directory in my system |
| 22:54.45 | ThePiratemaster | permission and 755 also in home directory |
| 22:54.48 | QUACH | it say alway this message mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /var/www/vhosts/cuusinhvien.com/httpdocs/down/sdgdghfkslkhlsgsdfs/hd2 busy |
| 22:54.52 | QUACH | umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted |
| 22:54.55 | doub | nimak2: what you're asking for is hotplugging, this said |
| 22:55.13 | nimak2 | doub: yeah, thats what i meant |
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| 22:55.30 | nimak2 | they both have 'plug' in them |
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| 22:55.49 | paulswm | eeyore-: SOrry, was AFK having a smoke, that 4x4 drive actually sounds like fun, hope you're OK in that huge room with the light blue ceiling :P |
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| 22:56.35 | doub | nimak2: you're forgiven. but don't let that kind of thing happen again ;) |
| 22:56.39 | eeyore- | paulswm: haha :-) |
| 22:56.44 | doub | (just kidding) |
| 22:56.47 | nimak2 | :-) |
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| 22:57.23 | nimak2 | but do i have to turn off the computer? |
| 22:57.47 | bbrazil | nimak2: unless your hardware explicitly supports hotplugging sata, yes |
| 22:58.17 | nimak2 | thanks |
| 22:58.39 | bbrazil | in theory I think sata is hot plugable |
| 22:58.50 | paulswm | doub: There are some ladies near here on South Orange Blossom Trail who are, ahem, plug and play :P |
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| 22:59.17 | paulswm | Anyway, Merry Christmas all, have a safe night and a happy day |
| 22:59.39 | doub | paulswm: well, that's as usual : with plug and play, you get what you pay for ;) |
| 23:00.11 | jlmb | bbrazil: audit didn't do the trick. |
| 23:00.13 | paulswm | doub: Indeed, and, as usual with plug and play, it's never quite as good as they told you it was going to be :P |
| 23:00.18 | eeyore- | bbrazil: not all of them are (chips) |
| 23:00.23 | KnD | Hi, merry Xmas! Had any of you seen a 46 bytes sshd.tar.bz2 appear in your root lately? (not a joke) |
| 23:00.35 | zOap | merry christmas |
| 23:00.41 | ThePiratemaster | does turning grouphomes on in adduser.config (thus not having the home directories directy in /home/ but in /home/group) effect the setting of public_html: <Directory /home/*/public_html> |
| 23:00.48 | eeyore- | mmm, that's all marketing! |
| 23:00.51 | doub | merry christmas, everybody |
| 23:01.06 | bbrazil | jlmb: you'll have to create a pam module that'll log passwords then - one probably already exists |
| 23:01.46 | ThePiratemaster | merry christmas doub |
| 23:01.47 | bbrazil | paulswm: and ipods |
| 23:01.54 | paulswm | bbrazil: Ideed |
| 23:02.17 | bbrazil | paulswm: don't they need special drivers? and some gnome app? |
| 23:02.27 | eeyore- | jlmb: hack your own copy of sshd |
| 23:02.30 | paulswm | bbrazil: No idea |
| 23:02.36 | bbrazil | paulswm: neither do I |
| 23:02.43 | doub | paulswm: that's just like this apple ad I've once seen, comparing ms loose-dows with their stuff : "plug and play" for macos, "plug and pray" for ms |
| 23:02.59 | doub | (amen) |
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| 23:03.01 | ThePiratemaster | lol |
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| 23:03.26 | paulswm | I just put ten Years AFter on the 6.1 and crank up the volume, don't posess a portable device |
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| 23:04.15 | paulswm | doub: heh |
| 23:04.40 | paulswm | Nyway, laterz |
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| 23:06.47 | doub | well, just marketing bullshit, as usual |
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| 23:07.23 | radsouthern | hi i got a netbus trojan on my system somehow |
| 23:07.31 | ThePiratemaster | any more brilliant ideas concerning my apache problem? |
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| 23:07.37 | radsouthern | how can i get off |
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| 23:07.46 | bbrazil | radsouthern: wipe and reinstall |
| 23:08.03 | ThePiratemaster | the beauty of windows |
| 23:08.07 | eeyore- | radsouthern: this looks liek #windows to you? |
| 23:08.24 | ThePiratemaster | 1 thing goed wrong and everything fucks up.. |
| 23:08.25 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 23:08.46 | ThePiratemaster | got nothing against windows users or anything... |
| 23:08.52 | Shadowcat | liar |
| 23:09.03 | nimak2 | haha, Shadowcat |
| 23:09.04 | ThePiratemaster | but generally all operating systems with a closed source... sigh |
| 23:09.06 | doub | ThePiratemaster: that's just they're using windows |
| 23:09.24 | cappicard | http://home.kc.rr.com/cappicard/images/fake-system-properties.png :) |
| 23:09.25 | Shadowcat | but I do agree with eeyore- |
| 23:09.30 | Shadowcat | we support debian in here |
| 23:09.32 | Shadowcat | not windblows |
| 23:09.39 | ThePiratemaster | no linux is for ppl that like control and know how to analyze and solve problems |
| 23:10.01 | radsouthern | i thought netbus was for windows |
| 23:10.05 | Shadowcat | ThePiratemaster: now type rm -rf / as root |
| 23:10.20 | radsouthern | i can't find out how to remove it |
| 23:10.28 | Shadowcat | radsouthern: again |
| 23:10.33 | Shadowcat | this isn't our problem |
| 23:10.34 | ThePiratemaster | shadowcat, whats yuor age? |
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| 23:11.00 | nimak2 | are you having trouble with a linux system, radsouthern |
| 23:11.13 | radsouthern | shadow what is your problem |
| 23:11.22 | radsouthern | yes nimek |
| 23:11.26 | ThePiratemaster | ignore he generally acts like that |
| 23:11.29 | radsouthern | nimak |
| 23:11.29 | Shadowcat | netbus is windows |
| 23:11.31 | ThePiratemaster | never really liked the guy |
| 23:11.36 | bizkit | !sunday |
| 23:11.36 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 23:11.39 | bizkit | ... |
| 23:11.46 | radsouthern | im on linux |
| 23:11.56 | radsouthern | shadowcat |
| 23:12.09 | Shadowcat | radsouthern: so you're trying to clear a Windows box from within Linux? |
| 23:12.09 | ThePiratemaster | netbus for linux...? |
| 23:12.18 | Shadowcat | I'm gonna tell you right now |
| 23:12.20 | Shadowcat | NOT gonna happen |
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| 23:13.04 | ThePiratemaster | windows isnt really modulair |
| 23:13.20 | Shadowcat | that's not the point though |
| 23:13.20 | ThePiratemaster | if one thing brakes its generally a catastropho for the entire system |
| 23:13.24 | yuacht | how can i list all of my usb units? |
| 23:13.29 | Shadowcat | lsusb |
| 23:13.29 | nimak2 | i see too posibilites here; one: radsouthern is an ass, two: he is mistaken |
| 23:13.39 | ThePiratemaster | you should try a program called trojanremver |
| 23:13.44 | ThePiratemaster | make sure yuo get the right one |
| 23:13.48 | FlopsyPete | what do people recommend... xine or gstreamer? Debian appears to choose xine, but why? the only time I tried Totem Gstreamer in place of Xine it crashed constantly |
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| 23:13.52 | ThePiratemaster | *trojan remover |
| 23:13.53 | Shadowcat | nimak2: well he's not gonna get anywhere with linux anyway |
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| 23:13.55 | Shadowcat | not in this case |
| 23:14.03 | Shadowcat | 1) he needs write access to the windows partition |
| 23:14.07 | Shadowcat | which is impossible if it's ntfs |
| 23:14.09 | radsouthern | well i portscanned my linux box with nmap and it is showing up |
| 23:14.15 | Shadowcat | 2) he needs write access to the windows registry |
| 23:14.21 | Shadowcat | which isn't possible under linux period |
| 23:14.21 | ThePiratemaster | shadowcat, check out the new NTFS-tools ;) |
| 23:14.26 | radsouthern | im sorry i don't understand either |
| 23:14.30 | blondie | Shadowcat: yes it is |
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| 23:14.55 | ThePiratemaster | its been possible but there a right it screws up your filesystem |
| 23:14.56 | blondie | radsouthern: how do you know that port isn't in use by something else? |
| 23:15.01 | doub | FlopsyPete: just make your call. if one is easily available in debian, compared to the other, my guess is that it's for a legal reason |
| 23:15.05 | Shadowcat | blondie: if you want to write to c:\windows\system32 in linux |
| 23:15.05 | ThePiratemaster | and reading is ofcourse perfectly possible |
| 23:15.09 | Shadowcat | go right ahead |
| 23:15.16 | Shadowcat | I for one don't want to screw up the system doing it |
| 23:15.25 | blondie | I was referring to the registry |
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| 23:15.32 | Shadowcat | blondie: link |
| 23:15.34 | radsouthern | it could be i supose but it says netbus on 2 ports |
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| 23:15.41 | ThePiratemaster | i thought for one yuo were such a linux fanatic and didnt use windows? |
| 23:15.42 | blondie | Shadowcat: don't have it to hand |
| 23:15.52 | FlopsyPete | doub: they both seem to be as easy as one another; just Debian defaults to xine |
| 23:16.16 | blondie | radsouthern: doesn't mean it IS that |
| 23:16.30 | blondie | radsouthern: that's just the name of the service that usually uses that port |
| 23:16.59 | radsouthern | ok well that relaxes me a bit |
| 23:17.03 | radsouthern | ty |
| 23:17.06 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 23:17.10 | doub | FlopsyPete: if you want to know the One True Reason, read the debian-legal mailing list archives for the past 3 years, maybe the answer is somewhere there. but just use the one you prefer, don't bother. that's just my 2 cent tip |
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| 23:17.28 | FlopsyPete | doub: ok |
| 23:17.29 | ThePiratemaster | radsouthern, trojan remover or a virus scaner, if it doent work, backup (using linux if you like but DONT write anythnig to the partition with windows on it) and reinstall |
| 23:18.06 | paulswm | almost forgot |
| 23:18.25 | paulswm | asuffield: Why did you insult me? What did I do to you? It's bugging me. |
| 23:18.55 | ThePiratemaster | can we get back to DEBIAN now? |
| 23:19.20 | Shadowcat | ThePiratemaster: no we're discussing politics this week |
| 23:19.24 | Shadowcat | didn't you know? :P |
| 23:19.35 | radsouthern | im running xandros |
| 23:19.44 | Shadowcat | which isn't our problem either |
| 23:19.48 | ThePiratemaster | good one |
| 23:19.50 | radsouthern | lol |
| 23:19.50 | Shadowcat | !based on debian |
| 23:19.50 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:19.54 | ThePiratemaster | xandros is a good system |
| 23:19.56 | Shadowcat | !xandros |
| 23:19.56 | dpkg | xandros is probably a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 23:20.19 | radsouthern | it is dpkg |
| 23:20.22 | Shadowcat | apparently dpkg doesn't think so |
| 23:20.24 | doub | what's the dpkg factoid for trolls? |
| 23:20.28 | radsouthern | wall mart special |
| 23:20.45 | Shadowcat | radsouthern: either way |
| 23:20.49 | Shadowcat | we don't support xandros here |
| 23:20.54 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 23:21.11 | doub | well, anyway |
| 23:21.18 | ThePiratemaster | shadowcat, dont say any of that crap |
| 23:21.26 | radsouthern | why cause your lame shadowcat close minded and a fool? |
| 23:21.27 | paulswm | doub: !!troll <nick> |
| 23:21.30 | ThePiratemaster | wtf happen to freesoftware spirit |
| 23:21.34 | paulswm | I mean ! not !! |
| 23:21.37 | ThePiratemaster | ppl liker you make me sick |
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| 23:21.44 | Shadowcat | ThePiratemaster umm it's channel policy |
| 23:21.54 | Shadowcat | we support debian |
| 23:21.54 | ThePiratemaster | policy |
| 23:21.56 | Shadowcat | not every derivative that's based on debian |
| 23:22.01 | radsouthern | xandros is debian |
| 23:22.01 | ThePiratemaster | you sound liek a freaking postofficemen |
| 23:22.06 | ThePiratemaster | "our policy" |
| 23:22.08 | Shadowcat | xandros is NOT debian |
| 23:22.12 | ThePiratemaster | its a guideline |
| 23:22.17 | LinuxNIT-laptop | hey guys i was compilinga program and it wanted the Xauth.h file. what doi need to install to get that? |
| 23:22.22 | doub | paulswm: thanks |
| 23:22.30 | Shadowcat | LinuxNIT-laptop: xlibs-dev |
| 23:22.30 | ThePiratemaster | shadowcat, loosen up |
| 23:22.31 | Shadowcat | I think |
| 23:22.33 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: Chill, it's Christmas, every body's relaxing a bit I expect and this is debian support anyway |
| 23:22.34 | radsouthern | i use debian packages |
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| 23:22.42 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thank you Shadowcat |
| 23:22.45 | doub | paulswm: well, that's easier manually |
| 23:22.50 | Shadowcat | radsouthern: no you don't |
| 23:22.54 | ThePiratemaster | tell shadowcat to relax |
| 23:22.57 | radsouthern | yes i do |
| 23:23.03 | Shadowcat | radsouthern: you use xandros debs |
| 23:23.09 | radsouthern | i have my source set to debian |
| 23:23.11 | paulswm | doub: Yesk, the command is a bit bare anyway |
| 23:23.11 | ThePiratemaster | and yes its christmas, to hell with polacies |
| 23:23.15 | Shadowcat | that probably have their own dependencies |
| 23:23.29 | bizkit | LinuxNIT-laptop: (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xauth.h) in libdevel/libxau-dev |
| 23:23.32 | Shadowcat | and you _shouldn't_ mix repositories |
| 23:23.33 | Shadowcat | ever |
| 23:23.49 | doub | paulswm: that's just it sometimes missses the point, as right now |
| 23:23.58 | doub | misses* even |
| 23:24.27 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: if you're using xandros .. then you've paid for it and you can use your paid for support .. right? |
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| 23:24.40 | Shadowcat | abrotman: it's radsouthern actually |
| 23:24.42 | ThePiratemaster | i didnt pay for it ;) |
| 23:24.47 | Shadowcat | in that case |
| 23:24.48 | Shadowcat | !warez |
| 23:24.49 | dpkg | warez is probably what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 23:24.49 | ThePiratemaster | i just make my bugreport that enough |
| 23:24.52 | ThePiratemaster | and i no longer use |
| 23:24.59 | abrotman | oh .. fine .. whatever |
| 23:25.04 | Shadowcat | either way |
| 23:25.07 | Shadowcat | this is #debian |
| 23:25.09 | Shadowcat | not #xandros |
| 23:25.11 | ThePiratemaster | xbut yuo're right |
| 23:25.16 | ThePiratemaster | i could user my paid support |
| 23:25.32 | *** part/#debian FlopsyPete (n=FlopsyPe@82.138.214.1) |
| 23:25.33 | ThePiratemaster | and its about stuff in general not about xandros |
| 23:25.35 | Shadowcat | ThePiratemaster: instead you bug us in a channel that doesn't support the distro |
| 23:25.37 | Shadowcat | very smart |
| 23:26.01 | ThePiratemaster | and you made this channal shadowcat? |
| 23:26.12 | ThePiratemaster | who r u to judge what everyoen in this channal support |
| 23:26.19 | Shadowcat | ThePiratemaster: first off |
| 23:26.20 | abrotman | !r |
| 23:26.20 | dpkg | methinks r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 23:26.21 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:26.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:26.25 | Shadowcat | it's a channel |
| 23:26.29 | Shadowcat | and secondly |
| 23:26.31 | ThePiratemaster | first of you're on ignore |
| 23:26.31 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: So, you're too cheap to pay for support for your distro, and you come here and demand that we support a non-debian distro, and get nasty when you're told that it's the wrong place, nice going |
| 23:26.47 | Shadowcat | ThePiratemaster: if I'm on ignore, why are you replying to me |
| 23:27.06 | Shadowcat | actually |
| 23:27.06 | ThePiratemaster | i dont demand every of anyone |
| 23:27.16 | Shadowcat | yes you are |
| 23:27.23 | Shadowcat | to be frank |
| 23:27.30 | Shadowcat | if you asked about linux in a windows support channel |
| 23:27.32 | Shadowcat | you'd get banned |
| 23:27.34 | bizkit | like i said earlier.. freaks on sunday, wonderful :-) |
| 23:27.35 | Shadowcat | no questions asked |
| 23:27.41 | ThePiratemaster | and xandros isnt my distro |
| 23:27.44 | paulswm | ThePiratemaster: OK, then just /join #xandros |
| 23:27.45 | Shadowcat | now we don't do that here |
| 23:27.54 | paulswm | Oh, I thought that it was |
| 23:27.55 | ThePiratemaster | i use 3 servers running debian |
| 23:28.12 | abrotman | but what is the one with the problem running ? |
| 23:28.13 | doub | please don't go that fast, i'm having trouble counting |
| 23:28.15 | Shadowcat | no he just says I _should_ help a user running xandros |
| 23:28.16 | ThePiratemaster | ando ne on win95 |
| 23:28.20 | ThePiratemaster | (lol) |
| 23:28.31 | Shadowcat | abrotman: he's telling me to help radsouthern which is running xandros |
| 23:28.33 | Buddha| | paulswm - that was radsouthern |
| 23:28.34 | Shadowcat | here's an idea |
| 23:28.37 | Shadowcat | help him yourself |
| 23:28.40 | abrotman | xandros isn't dead yet? |
| 23:28.41 | radsouthern | i have windows 95 2 |
| 23:28.42 | blondie | what is ThePiratemaster trolling about? |
| 23:28.42 | Shadowcat | oh wait, you don't know how |
| 23:28.47 | QUACH | hi im using debian 3.1 and cant mount a new parition /dev/sdb1 of second hard disk to a directory in my system |
| 23:28.48 | radsouthern | and a xp |
| 23:28.49 | QUACH | hi im using debian 3.1 and cant mount a new parition /dev/sdb1 of second hard disk to a directory in my system |
| 23:28.51 | QUACH | it say alway this message mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /var/www/vhosts/cuusinhvien.com/httpdocs/down/sdgdghfkslkhlsgsdfs/hd2 busy |
| 23:28.52 | ThePiratemaster | xoh now im the troll |
| 23:28.54 | QUACH | umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted |
| 23:28.58 | paulswm | Buddha|: Yeah, as usual, I jump into a conversation and open my big mouth :P |
| 23:29.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't worry it'll soon be |
| 23:29.17 | bizkit | QUACH: well, you don't need to rename ;-) |
| 23:29.25 | Shadowcat | wtf |
| 23:29.25 | radsouthern | yall be cool merry xmas |
| 23:29.29 | Wanderer | tequila and tang is actually pretty good |
| 23:29.29 | blondie | QUACH: is changing your nick meant to fool us? |
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| 23:29.35 | Wanderer | oops, wrong chan, sorry |
| 23:29.35 | Shadowcat | that's one hell of a mount point |
| 23:29.39 | dani | hi |
| 23:29.40 | bizkit | blondie: hehe |
| 23:29.46 | dani | some of you this having problems with sid in the package ifupdown? (it is that I must router in way bridge, and whenever resumption the computer does not negotiate well the IP with the client of pppoe says that etc/network/interfaces is an error in the file/), and however if I execute of manual form pppoeconfig if it assigns the IP to me of correct form. He is bug of sid? |
| 23:29.54 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:29.54 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 23:30.16 | dani | (sorry for my english) |
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| 23:31.25 | Eulex | QUACH, and just running mount says? |
| 23:31.52 | Eulex | QUACH, are you running this as user or root? |
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| 23:32.47 | kevinv | Has anyone tried to keep their X Clients seperate from their X Server using 2 systems instead of 1? |
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| 23:33.08 | doub | !anyone |
| 23:33.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:33.09 | QUACH | root |
| 23:33.20 | abrotman | dani: what is your native language ? |
| 23:33.29 | Eulex | kevinv, yes, but I haven't. |
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| 23:33.48 | dani | abrotman: spanish |
| 23:33.50 | Eulex | QUACH, and does running mount say anything about the device and/or mount point? |
| 23:33.57 | QUACH | i mkdir any new directory and mount /dev/sdb1 to it and receive same error .. Destination is busy |
| 23:33.58 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:33.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:34.02 | GPLGeek | Hola Dani |
| 23:34.08 | hammerabi | kevinv: that's fine and was fairly common in the past |
| 23:34.14 | ecliptik | is there some type of tool that gives a good visualization (gui or console) of network connections? |
| 23:34.16 | dani | GPLGeek: hola, buenas noches |
| 23:34.19 | QUACH | device is not mounted |
| 23:34.30 | kevinv | Eulex: u should, it works quite good. Using XDMCP keeps the processes from the X Server and the X Client completely seperate. |
| 23:34.31 | GPLGeek | Nosotrol hablamos espanol en #debian-es |
| 23:34.34 | doub | ecliptik: iptraf might be your friend |
| 23:34.42 | nvz | can I get cheese with those noches? |
| 23:34.55 | hammerabi | ecliptik: what sort of visualisation? iptraf shows flow rates, and mrtg can generate little graphs ever n minutes |
| 23:34.55 | doub | nvz: of course |
| 23:35.06 | kevinv | The X clients get the almost the complete use of the CPU and the X Server does aswell. |
| 23:35.08 | abrotman | nvz: pictures! |
| 23:35.23 | Eulex | kevinv, well, considering that in that case the only server I could use would be a p1mmx 200... what's your real question, btw? |
| 23:35.30 | hammerabi | heh, does is buenas an approriate form of good for nachoes, too? |
| 23:35.33 | nvz | abrotman: ? |
| 23:35.34 | paulswm | ecliptik: I like ntop |
| 23:35.38 | hammerabi | er, s/does// |
| 23:35.45 | ecliptik | doub and hammerabi, I was thinking to show like who's connected to smb, http, ftp, etc and how much network uses they're using, |
| 23:36.03 | nvz | abrotman: pictures are for people who dont remember or werent there |
| 23:36.11 | hammerabi | kevinv: in practice the X server doesn't seem to use very much CPU time anyway, and modern machines are so overpowered it's rarely an issue anyway |
| 23:36.25 | kevinv | It's not really a question, but just something that works great. I guess I question could be whats the benchmark with XDMCP and rdesktop? |
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| 23:36.32 | kevinv | I know VNC is really sloowwww. |
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| 23:36.41 | alvanson | NX is good |
| 23:36.42 | hammerabi | ecliptik: netstat will show you the former; I don't believe the latter is possible without something like tcpdump or special iptables rules. |
| 23:36.45 | doub | ecliptik: iptraf gives you on the fly information about connections. mrtg summaries them in reports |
| 23:36.54 | hammerabi | rdesktop is allegedly a lot better on high-latency connections |
| 23:37.00 | alvanson | but it'd put a lot of demand on the non-displaying system |
| 23:37.09 | ecliptik | cool, I'll give them a shot, thanks |
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| 23:37.39 | paulswm | ntop is a winner for monitoring network connections I think |
| 23:37.55 | hammerabi | paulswm: can it show per-connection use? |
| 23:37.58 | hammerabi | that would be cool |
| 23:38.28 | kevinv | I never used/tried rdesktop before(the hatred for the MS and all), but XDMCP seems quite fast, it seems the same speed as running the apps on the same system. |
| 23:38.56 | blondie | rdesktop is teh sex |
| 23:39.00 | kevinv | I use two thin clients at home that connect to an all powerful system that contains all my clients. |
| 23:39.05 | abrotman | blondie: not again |
| 23:39.08 | paulswm | hammerabi: traffic, throughput, activity, all sorts of stuff, yes, per connection or per remote host, or however you want to see it, all in a nice web interface |
| 23:39.09 | blondie | :P |
| 23:39.11 | abrotman | blondie: VNC! |
| 23:39.13 | blondie | abrotman: well it is! |
| 23:39.14 | ThePiratemaster | rdesktop works better on linux (atleast on suse, have not tried debian YET) then on windows |
| 23:39.17 | blondie | down with VNC! |
| 23:39.26 | abrotman | down on blondie! |
| 23:39.27 | ThePiratemaster | tight vnc all the way for me |
| 23:39.31 | alvanson | omg |
| 23:39.38 | Dude2 | Heya... Got some troubles :S I only have remote access through SSH and should use the newest Debian Sarge but when i try and cfdisk and create an partition with the free space left i get an error msg saying : "Wrote partition table, but re-read table failed. Reboot to update table." ... And when i reboot it hangs... |
| 23:39.45 | blondie | abrotman: what's going down on me? :P |
| 23:39.57 | abrotman | blondie: uhm ... nfc |
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| 23:40.07 | Shadowcat | Dude2: how much free space are we talking about? |
| 23:40.16 | Dude2 | 375GB |
| 23:40.21 | Shadowcat | wtf? |
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| 23:40.24 | ecliptik | ahhh, darkstat, that's what i was looking for |
| 23:40.32 | Shadowcat | are you sure your bios supports disks that large? |
| 23:40.32 | Eulex | Dude2, raid? |
| 23:40.35 | paulswm | blondie: comparing rdesktop to sex prolly outgeeks everything I've seen today |
| 23:40.41 | Dude2 | Nope... it's Sata disc |
| 23:40.44 | Shadowcat | as I said |
| 23:40.50 | blondie | hmmm |
| 23:40.55 | Shadowcat | so what's the boot up error? |
| 23:40.56 | ThePiratemaster | well |
| 23:40.56 | doub | Dude2: maybe you changed partition numbers, so your bootloader or kernel is confused as to which one to mount as root |
| 23:41.07 | ThePiratemaster | vnc should be tight |
| 23:41.08 | Shadowcat | Eulex: it's a 400gb disk |
| 23:41.14 | ThePiratemaster | so should the thing yuo have sex to |
| 23:41.16 | Shadowcat | formats to around 370-380 |
| 23:41.18 | Dude2 | the partitionnumber is sda6 which is not being mounted before |
| 23:41.19 | Eulex | Shadowcat, ah |
| 23:41.19 | ThePiratemaster | i see a connection |
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| 23:41.48 | Dude2 | and last reboot cost me 30 Euro so i don't wanna try again ;) |
| 23:41.49 | doub | Shadowcat: "my **** is bigger than yours" ;) |
| 23:42.07 | alvanson | Dude2, that's an expensive reboot |
| 23:42.12 | blondie | reboots cost money? |
| 23:42.18 | kevinv | But how many clients can rdesktop stand -vs- XDMCP using a WM with the same CPU usage as the Windows Desktop? |
| 23:42.21 | ThePiratemaster | nobody wants proof of that |
| 23:42.39 | Dude2 | i can't open the disc in fdisk either... and he setup one partition to /usr/home... :P removed that one ;) |
| 23:43.07 | Dude2 | blondie: Yeah colocation servers does ;) |
| 23:43.18 | blondie | Dude2: sux0r |
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| 23:43.32 | paulswm | Dude2: The re-read message is not uncommon, I doubt that it is directly related to your boot hanging unless you're messing with partitions which already exist and are in use |
| 23:43.38 | kevinv | Since rdesktop doesn't use a remote graphics server to view the clients, I would guess that with rdesktop you would need a more powerful system to use the service at the good speed |
| 23:44.06 | doub | Shadowcat: well, you win. yours is way much bigger. |
| 23:44.37 | abrotman | dork |
| 23:44.39 | paulswm | Dude2: But I would "sync;sync" anyway after leaving cfdisk |
| 23:44.50 | kevinv | plus you can't install an MS-based rdesktop client on a P166 with 32MB of ram. lol |
| 23:44.51 | Dude2 | sync;sync??? |
| 23:45.11 | paulswm | Dude2: Yes, it flushes cache to disk, twice for safety |
| 23:45.12 | ThePiratemaster | can i get soem help with apache? |
| 23:45.23 | kevinv | Debian Sarge just purrs on my P166 X server system. |
| 23:45.23 | ThePiratemaster | it keeps giving 403 |
| 23:45.35 | ThePiratemaster | as al the permission are set to 755 |
| 23:45.37 | hammerabi | ThePiratemaster: so read the error.log and see why |
| 23:45.47 | kevinv | Sure the boot up maybe a tad slow, but after it XDMCP works just fine. |
| 23:46.00 | blondie | ThePiratemaster: can we tell you to try #apache? :P |
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| 23:46.16 | Dude2 | paulswm: thx... holding my thumbs i will save some money this time ;) |
| 23:46.27 | kevinv | Windows 2k/xp would need atleast a P400 with 64-128MB of ram just to install the bloody bloated OS. |
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| 23:46.52 | blondie | kevinv: no it wouldn't |
| 23:46.59 | abrotman | kevinv: no |
| 23:47.01 | hail04 | no it doesnt ke6isf |
| 23:47.07 | hail04 | kevinv* |
| 23:47.19 | kevinv | blondie: what are the requirements for win 2k/xp? |
| 23:47.24 | doub | kevinv: you're not in the right place to rant about that, i guess. most people might already agree |
| 23:47.36 | abrotman | kevinv: iirc .. 2k is P133 with 32MB |
| 23:47.37 | kevinv | 2k won't install with less then 64MB, I tried before |
| 23:47.44 | abrotman | kevinv: yes it does .. i've done it |
| 23:47.53 | doub | abrotman: isn't it 98? |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | maybe it's a 233 .. |
| 23:48.06 | kevinv | Hmm, unless you install the 64MB and take out 32MB after the install is done. lol |
| 23:48.19 | abrotman | kevinv: have you ever tried ? |
| 23:48.27 | hail04 | they will work on 64mb ram though |
| 23:48.31 | Eulex | abrotman, I've heard about people installing w2k on a p75... dunno ram though, think it was 24 or 32. it was slow though. |
| 23:48.41 | kevinv | abrotman: yes I did, it refused to install with less then 64MB |
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| 23:48.51 | hail04 | 2k? |
| 23:48.53 | abrotman | http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/professional/evaluation/sysreqs/default.asp |
| 23:49.02 | kevinv | NT4.0 works with 32MB, and even 16MB I think |
| 23:49.11 | abrotman | kevinv wins on 64 (though i could have sworn i did it with 32) .. but the 400Mhz isn't needed |
| 23:49.16 | hail04 | NT4 would work with 16 |
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| 23:49.41 | abrotman | doub: you mean 24MB ? |
| 23:49.50 | kevinv | abrotman: You could put two 32MB simms in then take one out after the install is done. :P |
| 23:49.51 | doub | abrotman: well, something like that ;) |
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| 23:50.13 | kevinv | Woody installed with way less. |
| 23:50.31 | hail04 | I must ask |
| 23:50.38 | abrotman | woody was ... 12MB i think |
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| 23:50.44 | azeem | real man[tm] use FAI. |
| 23:50.46 | hail04 | what brought up the windows minimum requirements discussion? |
| 23:50.53 | hammerabi | tho, apt against etch's archive is going to suck without 32MB of ram, I'd think |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | hail04: because kevinv thinks you need a 400Mhz machine to run win2k |
| 23:51.04 | kevinv | I had a laptop with 8MB, woody installed with bf24 that is |
| 23:51.06 | hail04 | ah heh heh |
| 23:51.20 | Eulex | http://www.grep.be/blog/2005/12/24/#barok_and_newwave |
| 23:51.29 | kevinv | abrotman: well to run 2k with a good enough speed :P |
| 23:51.40 | hail04 | you didnt say that in the first instance :p |
| 23:51.44 | hail04 | ;) |
| 23:51.51 | kevinv | any less and 2k will, well.... errmm, it will be quite slow at times. |
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| 23:52.20 | abrotman | kevinv: it runs ok on a 300Mhz .. until you install a crap load of apps and fuck up the registry |
| 23:52.33 | sfullenwider | when is etch supposed to be frozen again? it's soon right? |
| 23:52.38 | abrotman | sfullenwider: not likely |
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| 23:52.39 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 23:52.40 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
| 23:52.44 | Eulex | abrotman, first person experience? ;) |
| 23:52.47 | dvs | sfullenwider: Fall 2006 |
| 23:52.50 | kevinv | abrotman: the registry is too easy to fuck up, it the biggest MS fuckup |
| 23:52.50 | abrotman | Eulex: yep |
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| 23:53.06 | sfullenwider | Ah, nevermind I thought it was going to be frozen in January. |
| 23:53.13 | dvs | sfullenwider: please! |
| 23:53.13 | abrotman | kevinv: it's fine .. just don't install/uninstall anything |
| 23:53.14 | kevinv | My mother still uses '95, and it's giving her hell. |
| 23:53.16 | abrotman | sfullenwider: you wish :) |
| 23:53.33 | abrotman | sfullenwider: maybe next january |
| 23:53.48 | sfullenwider | No, I'm still sticking with testing but I'd have to update a few sources.list lines for unofficial sources. |
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| 23:54.28 | kevinv | Think about it one big huge mother of god big file that spans a big portion of your HDD, just one bad cluster... |
| 23:54.40 | abrotman | kevinv: like gconf ? |
| 23:54.49 | kevinv | gconf isn't one big file |
| 23:54.56 | kevinv | gconf is many small ones |
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| 23:55.24 | kevinv | if one of gconfs files are crupt, just badblock it, and redo that one app. |
| 23:55.24 | abrotman | the registry is resilient .. but not that resilient |
| 23:55.37 | abrotman | kevinv: good .. fix my minicommander |
| 23:56.20 | kevinv | abortman: reason why you do need to backup your home directory on a regular basis :P |
| 23:56.50 | kevinv | what ever happened to partimage in sarge? |
| 23:56.57 | abrotman | kevinv: it works .. but gconf complains everytime i login .. some bad key |
| 23:57.09 | hammerabi | wonderin' if she'd changed at all, if her hair was still red! |
| 23:57.12 | kevinv | it was great little app in woody, all i find now, is it's docs.... *sniff* |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | hammerabi: she who ? |
| 23:57.34 | silensius | afp://ipadress debian can communicate whith this protocole |
| 23:57.53 | hammerabi | silensius: perhaps defining what "afp" is? |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | define who she is :) |
| 23:58.18 | silensius | http://www.protocols.com/pbook/appletalk.htm#AFP |
| 23:58.56 | silensius | it's a easy way to communicate whith to mac pc but is it possible to have acces whith linux |
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| 23:59.27 | sfullenwider | Anyone use mp3 players while jogging. |
| 23:59.29 | kevinv | abrotman: does it tell which key is being bad? I never dealt with gconf acting up on me before. |
| 23:59.30 | Dude2 | paulswm: Thx... it booted correctly... will leave this channel... but you sure saved my christmas :D |
| 23:59.36 | sfullenwider | ? |
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| 23:59.52 | abrotman | kevinv: sure .. but i'm not logging out to find out ;) |
